* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] OKAY, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND NOW JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU, [2. ROLL CALL/MOMENT OF ART] MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR JALO. PRESENT VICE MAYOR PLU. HERE. COUNCILOR DUNN. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FOLTZ. HERE. COUNCILOR FURMAN. PRESENT. COUNSELOR KINSELLA. HERE. COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON. HERE. OKAY. ITEM TWO. A MOMENT OF ART. NANCY LATTANZI. LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE SOMETHING REALLY INTERESTING TODAY. I DO. AND THIS PERSON WAS INVITED YESTERDAY, SO THANK YOU FOR SUCH SHORT NOTICE. THE ORIGINAL PERSON WHO WAS GONNA PERFORM PULLED OUT HIS BACK. OUCH. YEAH. SO THANK YOU ORVILLE. I HAVE INVITED ORVILLE BIRD WHO HAS DONE A MOMENT OF ART JANUARY, 2018. SO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE HERE MAY REMEMBER, AND I'M SO HAPPY TO HAVE YOU BACK. UM, HE IS AN AWARD-WINNING RECORDING ARTIST WHOSE CELTIC INDIAN BRAND IS A REFLECTION OF HIS MIXED BLOOD AMERICAN INDIAN AND CELTIC HERITAGE, CLASSICALLY TRAINED AS A VIOLINIST. ARLS COMPOSITIONS AND PERFORMANCES ARE A CONFLUENCE OF STYLES SHOWN BY HIS EXTRAORDINARY LOVE OF DIVERSITY. THESE ARE REVEALED IN HIS 25 CD RELEASES, WHICH FIVE HAVE EARNED HIM INTERNATIONAL MUSIC AWARDS. ARVILLE ATTENDED, EXCUSE ME, A SU ON A MUSIC SCHOLARSHIP AND LATER TRANSFERRED TO THE MIDWEST WHERE HE CONTINUED HIS MUSICAL EDUCATION AND BECAME A FOUR TIME INDIANA STATE FIDDLE CHAMPION. HE HAS TOURED WITH GLEN CAMPBELL, LORETTA LYNN, TOM T HALL, RAY PRICE, LOUISE MANDRELL AND CLAY WALKER TOURING LED HIM TO LAUNCH HIS OWN SUCCESSFUL 19 YEAR SOLO CAREER. AND ARVILLE HAS TOURED WORLDWIDE FROM TORONTO, SKYDOME LONDON'S, ROBERT ALBERT HALL, AND PALLADIUM TO WASHINGTON DC'S AND NEW YORK CITY SMITHSONIAN MUSEUMS, AS WELL AS FLORIDA'S KENNEDY SPACE CENTER. TODAY, ARVILLE WILL BE PERFORMING HIS TITANIC MEMORIAL CONCERT AT MARY FISHER. THIS, UH, SATURDAY, JULY 20TH AT SEVEN O'CLOCK. THIS WILL BE A SOUL STIRRING EVENING, UH, ABOUT SEEING THE BEAUTY IN THE TRAGEDY AND DEALING WITH OUR GRIEF ABOUT LOSS, REALIZING THAT GRIEF AND LOSS ARE WRITTEN INTO THE FABRIC OF OUR LIVES. THERE WILL BE MUSIC STORIES AND STUNNING GRAPHICS THAT TAKE YOU ON A JOURNEY ABOARD THE TITANIC. TODAY HE'S GONNA PLAY TWO SONGS, SEARCH FOR DISCOVERY, WHICH I JUST DISCOVERED IS, UM, REPRESENTING ROBERT BALLADS SEARCH AND DISCOVERY OF THE SUNKEN TITANIC. AND JUST A LITTLE ASIDE, I WORK WITH ROBERT BALLAD AT DISCOVER MAGAZINE, AND I'M SO EXCITED TO HEAR THIS. I'M AND DISTANT SHORE, WHICH IS ABOUT, UM, THE SHORES OF AMERICA THAT THE TITANIC WAS HEADED FOR WITH THE HOPES AND DREAMS THAT WERE ABOARD THAT SHIP. SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, PLEASE WELCOME ARVILLE. THANK YOU. [00:12:39] IF [00:12:40] ANYONE'S INTERESTED IN SEEING THE PERFORMANCE, THOSE FLYERS ON THE TABLE. THANK YOU. THAT WAS FABULOUS. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY. OKAY, [3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE] CONSENT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER THREE. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE STAFF, THE COUNCIL, WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION. COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY NOW? OKAY, CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN PLEASE? I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE A THROUGH G SECOND. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU, JESSICA. OKAY. WE ARE UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. [4. APPOINTMENTS] ITEM FOUR APPOINTMENTS. [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS] WE HAVE NONE. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY THE MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL OR THE MANAGER, UH, OR COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO SHARE TODAY? OKAY. [6. PUBLIC FORUM] PUBLIC FORUM. WE HAVE ONE CARD. UH, ED KETTLER, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. UH, MY NAME IS ED KETTLER. I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA MAYOR, COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF. I'VE ATTENDED THREE OF THE CANDIDATE FORUMS AND THE TOPIC ABOUT US VERSUS THEM HAS COME UP SEVERAL TIMES. THERE ARE THREE OF 'EM. WE'VE ONLY TALKED ABOUT TWO TOURISTS VERSUS THE RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES VERSUS THE RESIDENTS. BUT WHAT DIDN'T COME UP OR WAS STUDIOUSLY AVOIDED IS THE ELEPHANT IN THIS ROOM. CITY HALL VERSUS THE RESIDENTS. FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, THERE IS A LONG RUNNING ATTITUDE OR CULTURE AT CITY HALL WHERE RESIDENTS ARE ON ANNOYANCE TO BE DEALT WITH OR IGNORED WHEN THEY HAVE OPINIONS OR VIEWS THAT DO NOT ALIGN WITH CITY STAFF OR ELECTED OFFICIALS. AND IT IS MORE WIDESPREAD THAN JUST THE HOUSING MANAGER. FOLLOWERS ALIGN TO THEIR LEADERS' ATTITUDES AND BEHAVIORS. IF LEADERS DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE PUBLIC'S INPUT DURING COUNCIL SESSIONS, YELL AT CITIZENS AND EXHIBIT OTHER TRAITS OF DISRESPECT, WHAT DO YOU THINK CITY STAFF WILL DO? THEY'LL [00:15:01] ACT ACCORDINGLY. LEADERS GET THE BEHAVIOR THEY TOLERATE. IF LEADERS DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE PUBLIC DURING THE COUNCIL SESSIONS AND YET DON'T REALLY FOCUS ON THINGS, THEN WE'RE GONNA GET THE BEHAVIORS WE'RE SEEING WITH SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE THE CITY MA, FORMER CITY MANAGER TAKING OFF AND STARTING ON A PROJECT BEFORE IT WAS APPROVED. I CHALLENGED THE MAYOR COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER TO PUBLICLY RECOGNIZE THERE'S A WIDESPREAD PROBLEM WITH THE CITY HALL CULTURE. THAT IS THE FIRST STEP TO WORKING TOWARDS A SOLUTION. UNDERSTANDING YOU HAVE AND RECOGNIZING YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. FAILURE TO TAKE THIS VITAL STEP IS A PUBLIC DECLARATION THAT YOU APPROVE AND TOLERATE THE BEHAVIOR OF THE CULTURE. YOU OWN THE CULTURE, YOU HELP CREATE AND PERPETUATE IT. YOU NEED TO FIX IT. REMEMBER, LEADERS GET THE BEHAVIORS THEY TOLERATE. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO, TO SPEAK C? NOBODY ELSE? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM AND MOVE TO PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS. WE HAVE NONE. [8.a. AB 3088 Discussion/possible action regarding conditionally approving a Development Agreement with BCT Sedona Multifamily LLC requesting exceptions under the DIGAH allowances for the provision of 54 units of housing including 27 affordable units at 60 Goodrow Lane, Sedona and subject to recommendations from Planning & Zoning Commission and final Council approval of the rezone request. ] MOVE ON TO REGULAR BUSINESS. ITEM EIGHT, UH, AB UH, 30 88. DISCUSSION. POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING CONDITIONALLY APPROVING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH BCT SEDONA MULTIFAMILY, LLC REQUESTING EXCEPTIONS UNDER THE DIGGER ALLOWANCES FOR THE PROVISION OF 54 UNITS OF HOUSING, INCLUDING 27 AFFORDABLE UNITS, EXCUSE ME, AT 60 GOOD ROW LANE SEDONA. AND SUBJECT TO RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND FINAL COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE REZONING REQUEST. WE'LL START WITH JEANNIE. OKAY, A SHORT CHAIR. PETE, CAN YOU GET THE LIGHTS? OKAY, THE GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR CITY COUNCIL. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. UM, I AM HERE TONIGHT WITH BASIL MAR AND WHITNEY CUNNINGHAM, AND WE ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING A POTENTIAL PROJECT FOR HOUSING. UM, SO I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO BCT SEDONA. THEY ARE, UH, A LOCAL BUSINESS COMMITTED TO HOUSING FOR LOCAL WORKFORCE FAMILIES AND SENIORS. AND TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT A PROJECT THAT THEY WILL BE BRINGING FORWARD. UM, THIS IS A POTENTIAL PROJECT. IT'S A 54 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX AT 60 GOOD ROW LANE CONSISTING OF A MIX OF ONE, TWO, AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS, UH, WHICH THEY WILL GIVE YOU MORE, PROVIDE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THAT. UM, AND THERE ARE ALSO, I JUST WANNA DO, DO MENTION THAT THERE ARE THREE A DA COMPLIANT, TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS INCLUDED IN THE WHOLE MIX, WHICH YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT. SO THE AFFORDABILITY TARGETS ON THIS PROJECT, 27 UNITS AT 120% A MI FOR 10 YEARS. THERE WILL BE A TOTAL OF 54 UNITS, AND THESE TOTAL 54 UNITS WILL BE DEED RESTRICTED TO RENTALS FOR A PERIOD TO BE DISCUSSED. UM, THIS IS A FIRST LOOK AT THE PROJECT. AND WHY IS THIS COMING TO COUNCIL PRIOR TO PLANNING AND ZONING? UM, WELL, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND THIS IS FOR THE DIGA POLICY DIRECTION. UM, DIGGA IS THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES AND GUIDELINES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING POLICY. AND THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ASKING FOR HEIGHT AND SETBACK EXCEPTIONS TO THE DIGGA POLICY. SO PENDING COUNCIL DIRECTION ON THIS TODAY, THE PROJECT WILL NEED TO PROCESS THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND ZONE CHANGE APPLICATIONS. UH, THESE ARE NOT BEING CONSIDERED TODAY, ONLY THE DIGA POLICY DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL IS BEING SOUGHT TODAY. UM, [00:20:02] SO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED? UH, YOU'LL GET MORE DETAIL FROM BASEL AND WHITNEY IN A FEW MOMENTS, BUT BASICALLY IT'S A MULTIPLE THREE STORY BUILDING, MULTIPLE THREE STORY BUILDINGS THAT WILL EXCEED THE STANDARD HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS AND THE DIGA ADMINISTRATIVE ALLOWANCES. UM, NOW AS INDICATED BY CITY COUNCIL AT THE JUNE 12TH WORK SESSION, STAFF WAS DIRECTED THAT WHEN PROJECTS DO REQUEST LDC EXCEPTIONS, THAT THE ITEM MAY COME BEFORE COUNSEL FOR A POLICY DISCUSSION PRIOR TO DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND PLANNING AND ZONING. SO THE EXCEPTIONS ASKED FOR THIS EVENING ARE HEIGHT AND SETBACK. SO THE HEIGHT, MAXIMUM HEIGHT ALLOWABLE, UM, IS 22 FEET ABOVE NATURAL GRADE IS PERMITTED IN THE LDC WITHOUT ALTERNATE STANDARDS. UM, AND AS PER THE DIGA, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR CAN APPROVE UP TO EIGHT FEET ADDITIONALLY FOR A TOTAL OF 30 FEET ABOVE NATURAL GRADE. UM, AND ALSO THE DIGA DOES PERMIT CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE HEIGHTS ABOVE 30 FEET. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. UM, AND THEN FOR THE SETBACK, THERE'S A MINIMUM SETBACK ALLOWED OF 20 FEET. THE DEVELOPER IS REQUESTING 17 FEET ON ONE OF THE BUILDINGS, SO PRIOR TO A MORE EXTENSIVE REVIEW PROCESS, UH, THIS PROCEDURE TONIGHT WILL MINIMIZE, UH, THE POTENTIAL OF NEEDING TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES AT A LATER DATE. AND BASED ON YOUR DIRECTION TONIGHT, STAFF WILL PROCESS THE ZONE CHANGE AND THE, THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATIONS AFTER. AND, UH, THESE APPLICATIONS INCLUDE A DETAILED REVIEW OF THE PROJECT, UM, INCLUDING TRAFFIC, SITE PLAN, BUILDING DESIGN, LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING, COLOR REQUIREMENTS, MATERIALS, ET CETERA. ALL OF THIS THAT WILL REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH BOTH PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE FINAL, UH, DECISION ON THE PROJECT. BUT WE'RE NOT THERE, RIGHT? TONIGHT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT A TENTATIVE APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SUBJECT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING APPROVAL AND COUNCIL'S ULTIMATE APPROVAL OF THE REZONE AND THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. SO THIS TENTATIVE APPROVAL, UM, IF IT COMES TONIGHT, GIVES THE DEVELOPER SOME, UH, MINIMAL ASSURANCES TO CONTINUE. UM, AND IT GIVES STAFF THE FLEXIBILITY TO RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, THINGS WITH, WITH THE WAIVERS. UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD. AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN THIS PRESENTATION OVER TO BASEL MAR AND WHITNEY CUNNINGHAM AND THE BCT SEDONA MULTIFAMILY LLC PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JEANNIE. OKAY. UM, MAYOR, COUNSELORS, UM, UH, MY NAME IS WHITNEY CUNNINGHAM. I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM OF ASPI WATKINS AND DIESEL ONE 20 SOLDIERS PASS ROAD. AND WITH ME IS BASEL MAR, WHO IS THE MAN BEHIND BCT. AND, UH, I'M EXCITED FOR YOU TO HEAR FROM BASEL DIRECTLY IN JUST A MINUTE. I'D LIKE TO COVER JUST A COUPLE OF THE TECHNICAL ITEMS AS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU, UM, TODAY TO KIND OF SET THE STAGE. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT TODAY, BUT YOUR, UH, UH, POTENTIALLY OVERWORKED, BUT CERTAINLY EFFICIENT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF IS IN A POSITION WHERE THEY'RE UNABLE TO ACCEPT OUR APPLICATION UNLESS THEY HAVE SOME DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO SAY, SUBJECT TO ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF, UH, OF A REZONING APPLICATION AND A DESIGN REVIEW APPLICATION. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO SHORT CIRCUIT ANY OF THAT SUBJECT TO ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS. UM, SHOULD THIS APPLICATION COME BACK TO YOU, UH, AFTER THAT FULL PROCESS? ARE THESE HEIGHT AND SETBACK, UM, UH, A ADJUSTMENTS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR DIRECTION ON TODAY. UH, BCT IS EXCITED TO, TO BRING 54, UM, RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO, UM, TOWN. AND WHAT, UH, MAYBE THIS ONE. [00:25:03] OH, HERE COMES JOE. THANK YOU. IT CHANGED ON MY, IT CHANGED ON THIS SCREEN. WHICH ONE DO I NEED TO USE? IT'S TEAMS FORIA. UM, LET'S SEE. YOU WANT THE OTHER SCREEN, JOE? SO WE, IT'S JUST, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE TEAMS. IT'S NOT COMING UP ON THE PROJECTOR THOUGH, IT'S JUST AN OKAY ISSUE WITH THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT I WANNA GET IT UP THERE. MM-HMM. SURE. UM, IT'S SHOWING ON THE BACK, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA SHOW ON THE SCREEN COUNSELORS IS IS IT ON YOUR SCREENS? NO, NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE DON'T. IT'S NOT TIED IN. OKAY. SOMEDAY, MAYBE FAIR ENOUGH. NEXT YEAR. THERE WE GO. OKAY. SORRY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, ARE YOU SEEING THE SCREENED ON YOUR END? YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. GREAT. ALRIGHT. SO, AS I WAS SAYING, BC T IS EXCITED TO BRING 54 UNITS. UM, THESE RE THESE RESIDENCES ARE INTENDED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING FOLKS, REGULAR FOLKS THAT LIVE AND WORK, UH, IN SEDONA AND THEIR FAMILIES. UM, 36 WILL BE APARTMENT STYLE AND 18 WILL BE TOWN HOME STYLE. UM, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY THIS PROPERTY ABOUT 2.8 ACRES ON GOOD ROW. UM, IT, IT, IT SITS WITH, UH, THE WILD LODGING ON ONE SIDE. UH, THE ALCHEMIST, THE, THE, THE COFFEE ROASTERY IS GONNA BE BETWEEN IT AND, AND THE, AND 89 A, UH, CONTRACTORS ROAD. AND THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES, UH, ARE OFF TO ANOTHER SIDE'S ON THREE SIDES. IT'S SURROUNDED BY EITHER LODGING OR COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL. UM, TO THE NORTH ARE RESIDENCES, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. IT ONLY BORDERS THREE. ONE OF THEM IS BUILT, TWO OF THEM ARE VACANT. AND, AND THIS PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS ZONED FOR THAT SAME STYLE OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. SO IT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR, FOR A HANDFUL OF, OF RESIDENCES. UM, UH, AND, AND, AND, UH, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT BCT WAS HOPING TO BRING. THE, THE, THE LOCATION IS TERRIFIC, GIVEN ITS WALKABILITY TO RESOURCES AND THINGS. IT CHECKS A LOT OF BOXES ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE REALLY HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT. WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL OFFER THAT SALES PITCH AND ALL THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THIS PROJECT. UH, BUT WE THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT PROJECT IN THE RIGHT LOCATION. UM, UNDER THE CURRENT AFFORDABILITY INCENTIVES, UH, IN ORDER TO GET AN EXTRA EIGHT FEET OF HEIGHT, UH, BCT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DEDICATE SEVEN OF THESE UNITS AFFORDABLE. UM, WHAT IT WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ROUGHLY DOUBLE THAT HEIGHT ALLOWANCE, UH, IN EXCHANGE FOR FOUR TIMES AS MANY AFFORDABLE UNITS, 27 OR HALF OF ALL THE UNITS. UM, BUT AS I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HEAR BASIL DISCUSS, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS ALL OF THESE UNITS ARE INTENDED TO BE AFFORDABLE TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AND WORK IN SEDONA. UM, THERE IS NO DESIRE THAT ANY OF THESE UNITS WILL BE INTENDED FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND, AND THERE'S ALREADY AGREEMENT THAT NO UNITS WILL BE USED FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THE ONLY DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE, THAT ARE STILL ONGOING, AND THAT, BY THE WAY, DON'T HAVE TO BE RESOLVED TODAY, ALTHOUGH WE'RE DEFINITELY INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM COUNSEL, IS THE, IS THE LENGTH OF TIME OF THAT RESTRICTION. UM, UH, BUT NONE OF THESE UNITS ARE INTENDED FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. UM, ON THIS SLIDE, WHAT YOU SEE ARE, IS, IS, IS THE, UH, THE TECHNICAL NUMBERS IN TERMS OF THE, OF THE HEIGHT ADJUSTMENTS. THERE ARE ARE A SERIES OF BUILDINGS. THIS PROPERTY SLOPES FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH. IN OTHER WORDS, IT SLOPES FROM THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS DOWN TO 89 A BY 30 FEET. AND, UH, THE ALIGNMENT OF THESE BUILDINGS IS SUCH THAT THE, THAT THE TALLEST BUILDING IS CLOSEST TO 89 A SITTING RIGHT BEHIND THE TWO STORY ALCHEMIST BUILDING. AND AS IT GOES UP SLOPE TOWARD THE HOMES, THE HEIGHTS COME DOWN TO WHERE, UH, THE BUILDING CLOSEST TO THE RESIDENCE WOULD ONLY BE 33 FEET. AND SO THAT'S BARELY BEYOND THE DIGGAS AS IT STANDS. UM, IN TERMS OF THE SETBACK VARIANCE, THE VERY FRONT BUILDING, THE, THE BUILDING CLOSEST TO THE OTHER COMMERCIAL USES AND TO 89 A, UH, BECAUSE OF DRAINAGE AND UTILITY REASONS, UH, WE REALLY NEED TO, TO, TO HAVE A 17 FOOT SETBACK INSTEAD OF A 20 FOOT SETBACK. AND OUR DESIGNERS ARE CONCERNED THAT EVEN TRYING TO MOVE THAT BUILDING THREE FEET, WHICH DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT MUCH, UH, MAY ACTUALLY, UH, MEAN THAT WE CAN'T HAVE THAT BUILDING. AND THEN WE WOULD LOSE THE 12 UNITS [00:30:01] THAT GO WITH IT. AND SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT CHANGE AS WELL. UM, THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW THAT SHOWS, UM, THE LOCATION IT'S OUTLINED IN RED THERE, UH, TO THE, TO THE SOUTH. YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE WILD, UH, ALCHEM EAST WILL SIT RIGHT IN FRONT THE, THE CONTRACTORS ROAD AND THOSE INDUSTRIAL USES, UM, OFF TO THE OTHER SIDE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE, THE MORE SPARSE RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO THE NORTH. ONE THING I LIKE ABOUT THIS PROJECT WITH ITS, UM, UH, UH, HIGHER DENSITY, BUT RESIDENTIAL USES, IT CREATES A, A PRETTY NICE, UM, BOUNDARY OR TRANSITION FROM THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES UP INTO THE RESIDENTIAL USES. THIS, UM, SLIDE SHOWS THE LAYOUT OF THE BUILDINGS. AND SO BUILDING A AT THE BOTTOM THAT'S CLOSEST TO 89 A, THAT WOULD ALSO BE THE TALLEST BUILDING, BUILDING G THAT SITS FARTHER UP THE HILL WOULD BE THE SHORTEST BUILDING. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT BCT WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO, UH, PARK UNDER THE BUILDINGS. THIS DOES A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE IS IT FULFILLS THE CITY'S REQUIREMENT THAT A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THAT PARKING BE COVERED. UM, AND IT DOES. SO YOU COULD, THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE WE COULD BUILD TWO STORY BUILDINGS WITH A MUCH LARGER PARKING LOT AND, AND, AND, AND COVERED PARKING STRUCTURES. BUT THEN THE RESIDENTS LOSE ALL OF THAT OPEN SPACE THAT CAN OTHERWISE BE PRESERVED. AND, AND TO BE SURE THE RESIDENTS TO THE NORTH ARE NOW LOOKING AT PARKING AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE THINK ARE GONNA BE VERY LOW PROFILE, UH, UH, BUILDINGS WITH, WITH A MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE. YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF RENDERINGS, AND IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE, YOU SEE WHAT, WHAT FORMERLY WAS ON 89 A AND IS GOING TO BE REPLACED BY A TWO STORY BUILDING, WHICH IS THE CHEA BUILDING. AND THEN YOU SEE THE DARKER GRAY RENDERING OF WHAT THIS PROJECT WILL LOOK LIKE. UH, IN THE BACKGROUND. IT'S, IT'S QUITE LOW PROFILE. THAT'S THE TALLEST BUILDING, BY THE WAY. UH, AND, UH, AND, AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THESE AMENITIES THAT I'VE DISCUSSED. UH, UH, KEEPING THIS, UM, QUITE LOW PROFILE. BUT I WILL ADD THIS, YOU ARE NOT SEEING THE DEGREE OF DETAIL THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE IN A REZONING REQUEST, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THERE YET. WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO APPROVE THE PROJECT. WE'RE ASKING YOU JUST TO BE LET IN THE FRONT DOOR SO THAT WE CAN FILE AN APPLICATION AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THEM COMING BACK TO YOU AND HOPEFULLY CONVINCING YOU THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT PROJECT FOR SEDONA AND FOR THIS LOCATION. BUT WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL TONIGHT, WE CAN'T EVEN, WE CAN'T EVEN DO THAT. UH, WE, WE NEED COUNSEL'S DIRECTION. BUT I THINK THIS RENDERING SHOWS THAT THIS IS A QUITE LOW PROFILE, UH, STRUCTURE. THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, LOOKING, UH, FROM THE LOCATION OF THE WILD, UM, THE, THE EMPTY LOT TO THE RIGHT IS WHAT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE PROFILE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE TO THE NORTH UNDER, UM, THE CURRENT DIGGAS. AS I SAID, WHAT THE, WHAT THE ASKED TO DEVELOPERS WOULD BE WOULD BE, UH, SEVEN UNITS, 12%, AND, AND D AND BCT WOULD LIKE TO OFFER, UH, 50%. UM, UNDER THE DIGGAS, OF COURSE, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING THAT TALKS ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND WHAT BCT WOULD LIKE TO OFFER IS THAT 100% OF THE UNITS ARE PROHIBITED FROM BEING SHORT-TERM RENTALS. UM, UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, UH, THE ONLY OPEN ITEM OF DISCUSSION REALLY IS, IS WHAT SHOULD THE TERM OF THAT SHORT-TERM RENTAL RESTRICTION BE? AND, AND, AND WE'D REALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM COUNSEL AND WE'RE, AND WE'RE VERY PLEASED TO DISCUSS IT. UH, BUT WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO GET OUT OF THE, THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT IS YOUR CONDITIONAL APPROVAL TO SAY TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, ACCEPT THIS APPLICATION AND PROCESS IT. AND, AND WE'LL CONSIDER IT IN FULL WHEN IT COMES BACK. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS INTRODUCE BASIL AND LET YOU HEAR FROM HIM REALLY ABOUT THE, THE BACKGROUND AND, AND HIS, AND HIS PASSION FOR THIS PROJECT. UH, THANKS WHITNEY. UH, MR. MAYOR, UH, MS. UH, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND JESSICA. COUNCIL. JESSICA, SORRY, . YOU'RE, YOU'RE BEHIND ME. . SORRY, I CAN'T FACE BOTH DIRECTIONS. I'M SORRY. RIGHT. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY. UM, I DO THINK I PUT A LITTLE DIFFERENT SLANT ON THINGS HERE. SO, UM, NUMBER ONE, UH, EVERYONE KEEPS CALLING ME A DEVELOPER. I AM [00:35:01] NOT A DEVELOPER. WE ARE GOING TO DEVELOP THIS PROJECT IF ALLOWED, BUT I'M NOT A DEVELOPER. AND SO I WILL MAKE MISTAKES ALONG THE WAY. I NEED GUIDANCE. I NEED A WHOLE BUNCH OF HELP, BUT I'M NOT A DEVELOPER. ALRIGHT? UM, MY WIFE AND I, WHEN WE GOT HERE FOUR YEARS AGO, WE RECOGNIZED THAT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM WAS, UH, UNDERFUNDED. AND, UM, AN EXACERBATION OF THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE, SOME KIND OF HOUSING CRISIS HERE THAT MOVED FAMILIES OUT OF TOWN. THOSE FAMILIES WERE THEN REPLACED WITH BUSINESSES THAT RAN AIRBNBS, WHICH I DON'T BLAME THEM, RIGHT? BUT, UH, THEY DIDN'T BRING ANY CHILDREN IN TO GO TO THE SCHOOL. SCHOOLS ONLY GET FUNDING WHEN THERE'S CHILDREN IN THE SCHOOL. UM, IT'S NEWS TO US BECAUSE WE WERE FROM NEW JERSEY AND THE SCHOOLS IN NEW JERSEY WERE FUNDED BY LOCAL PROPERTY TAXES. AND SO, BUT ANYWAY, SO WE SET A SET OUT TO, UH, HELP THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND, UH, I GOT DRAFTED INTO BEING THE PTA PRESIDENT AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, , WHICH THANKFULLY I'M NO LONGER, IT WAS FOUR YEARS. UM, WE STARTED AN EXTENDED DAY PROGRAM. AND WHEN I SAY STARTED IT, IT TOOK, TOOK SOME EFFORT, BUT, AND TOOK SOME MONEY. UH, THE EFFORT THERE WAS TO, UH, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN WHO WORK IN SEDONA TO BRING THEIR KIDS TO THE SCHOOL THAT WOULD HELP THE SCHOOL GET MORE MONEY. AND THEN THEY COULD BRING THE SCHOOL, THE KID EARLY AND LEAVE THEM LATE. THEY'D BE SUPERVISED, THEY'D BE, YOU KNOW, ENTERTAINED, WHATEVER. AND, UM, UH, THEN THEY COULD HAVE THEIR JOB IN SEDONA, WHICH HELPS THE WORKFORCE AND THEY COULD HAVE THE SCHOOLS, THEIR KID IN THE SCHOOL, WHICH HELPS THE SCHOOL. IT WAS, UM, MILDLY SUCCESSFUL. I THINK. UM, THE NEXT THING WE DID WAS WE, WE, UH, WORKED WITH HEATHER HERMAN TO, UM, DO A PUBLICITY CAMPAIGN THERE. WE FELT THAT THERE WAS AN AWFUL LOT OF NEGATIVITY ABOUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND SO WE WANTED TO START PROMOTING THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. AND, UM, SO WE DID THAT AND WE THINK WE SAW SOME INCREASES IN NUMBERS OF ATTENDANCE IN THE SCHOOL, AND THAT HELPED THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. UM, THEN WE WORKED TRYING TO GET SOME TEACHER HOUSING THAT KINDA GOT SCREWED UP A LITTLE, BUT, UH, THE EFFORT WENT ON AND, UM, MY WIFE MIMI HAS BEEN BUYING HOUSES AND SMALL APARTMENT BUILDINGS TO PUT NOT ONLY TEACHERS, BUT OTHER PEOPLE UP. I THINK YOU, YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR, YOUR PROGRAM THERE. UM, I THINK SHE HAS 22 SOME PROPERTIES, UH, THAT SHE'S BEEN, SHE'S SET UP AND MANAGING. ANYWAY, UH, A LOT OF KIDS GOING TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. SO THE THEME HERE, FAMILIES, SCHOOL SYSTEM. AND SO THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO CONTINUE THAT. WE WANNA BRING FAMILIES BACK TO SEDONA, ESPECIALLY FAMILIES THAT HAVE KIDS THAT PUT 'EM IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. NOW, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT THEY WOULD GO TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, BUT THE ODDS ARE IF THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA PAY FOR SOME SCHOOL SOMEPLACE ELSE. BUT ANYWAY, UM, SO WE, UM, UH, WE, WE ALSO, UH, FOUND 30 ACRES OF PROPERTY THAT WAS DESIGNATED TO BE SOLD TO A DEVELOPER ALONG THE CREEK IN SEDONA, BEHIND AKA. AND, UM, WE REALLY DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BE DEVELOPED. AND SO WE BOUGHT IT AND, UH, WE GO DOWN THERE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE AND WE FIND THAT PEOPLE THINK THE FOREST SERVICE OWNS IT, WHICH IS OKAY. UM, BUT UM, UH, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. ALRIGHT? UM, OUR INTENTION IS THAT ALL OUR UNITS WILL BE AFFORDABLE TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN IT. NOW UNDERSTAND THAT THAT AFFORDABLE IS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE, AS I'M SURE YOU UNDERSTAND. AND, UH, SO A TOWNHOUSE IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAVE THE SAME RENT AS A ONE BEDROOM, BUT ANYWAY, THEY'LL ALL BE AFFORDABLE TO THE PEOPLE THAT WORK AND LIVE HERE. WHAT I WANT IS FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME WITH A LETTER FROM THEIR EMPLOYER SAYING THAT [00:40:01] THEY WORK IN SEDONA, ALRIGHT? AND THE PROSPECT OF THEIR FUTURE EMPLOYMENT IS GOOD, THEN I WILL RENT YOU A UNIT. UM, SO IT'S OUR INTENTION THAT FOR AS LONG AS THE BUILDINGS STAND, THAT THEY WILL ALL BE AFFORDABLE. AND SINCE WE BLAME IN OUR HEAD THE LACK OF STUDENTS WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS, AND I DON'T BLAME THE PEOPLE THAT RUN THEM, I DON'T BLAME ANYTHING. I JUST, THAT'S A CAUSE BECAUSE OF THEM. WE DON'T WANT SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OUR UNITS BECAUSE THERE WON'T BE ANY KIDS THERE. UM, SO, UM, THIS IS A 20 TO $30 MILLION INVESTMENT AND I USE THE WORD INVESTMENT BECAUSE IT'S BUSINESS AND A BUSINESS HAS TO SUSTAIN ITSELF. AND SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S GONNA BE AFFORDABLE, IT HAS TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE ENOUGH REVENUE TO MAINTAIN THE BUILDINGS, MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY, AND TO MAINTAIN ITS SERVICE. SO, UM, IT'S A BUSINESS, NOT A CHARITY, IT'S A BUSINESS. IT'S CHARITABLE, SO TO SPEAK, BUT IT'S NOT A CHARITY. AND THAT'S KIND OF ALL I HAD TO SAY. I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS. OKAY. UH, COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BEGIN WITH YOU? WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO BRING YOU UP ON THE END LATER PLEASE? VERY GOOD, PETE. SURE. HAPPY TO START. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. BASEL, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS PROJECT TO US. UM, YOU AND YOUR WIFE DO AMAZING THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND I WANT THAT TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR SURE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, MY FIRST QUESTION I THINK MIGHT BE A CARRIE QUESTION BECAUSE HE, TO, TO QUOTE THE, UH, WELL MAYBE IT WAS FROM, FROM, UH, WHITNEY, BUT PLEASE HELP ME CLARIFY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR PROCESS IS. THE WORDS THAT WERE USED WERE UNABLE TO ACCEPT THE APPLICATION. SO IN GENERAL, OUR PROCESS WOULD BE TO TAKE IN AN APPLICATION, TAKE IT THROUGH STAFF REVIEW, PLANNING, ZONING, COMMISSION REVIEW, CITY COUNCIL REVIEW. PART OF THAT REVIEW IS REVIEWING FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IN THIS CASE THE HEIGHTS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY ABOVE, UH, WHAT THE CODE WOULD ALLOW. RIGHT? AND SO OUR HESITATION IN TAKING IT IN IS THAT'S A LOT OF WORK TO PUT IN IF CITY COUNCIL IS NOT OKAY WITH THESE ADDITIONAL HEIGHTS. UM, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS, UN RELIEF, BUILDING, PLANES, COLOR, ALL OF THAT. WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT. BUT IF CITY COUNCIL, UM, IS NOT OKAY WITH THE HEIGHTS, WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS TO FIND OUT AT THE VERY END THAT THESE, UM, INCREASED HEIGHTS WERE KIND OF A NON-STARTER AND TO NOT TO SPEND ALL THAT TIME. AND SO WE, UM, FELT THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO COME AND GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THE HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDING BEFORE WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS WHERE WE LOOK AT THE MORE DETAILED REVIEW OF THE BUILDING. I, I, I THANK YOU AND I, I GET THE MOTIVATION FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT, ESPECIALLY BASED ON THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD HAD THE OTHER LAST TIME THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THESE THINGS. MM-HMM. , I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND WHETHER YOU ACTUALLY SAY THE PROCESS IS CLOSED OR WHETHER YOU SAY, IF WE MOVE IT THROUGH THE PROCESS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU STAFF WOULD HAVE TO RECOMMEND A PLANNING AND ZONING IF IT GOT THAT FAR A DENIAL BECAUSE IT VIOLATES THE LDC, RIGHT? BUT THE PROCESS, IS THE PROCESS TECHNICALLY CLOSED OR DO YOU JUST STRONGLY ADVISE PEOPLE NOT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS? UM, PROBABLY A LITTLE BOTH. I MEAN, ULTIMATELY WITH THIS ONE, THERE IS A MECHANISM FOR THE HEIGHTS TO BE APPROVED. UM, BUT GOING, AND SO I GUESS WE WOULD HAVE THE OPTION OF EITHER RECOMMENDING APPROVAL CONDITIONAL ON A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT APPROVED IN THE FUTURE, OR RECOMMEND DENIAL BECAUSE IT VIOLATES HEIGHTS. BUT AGAIN, KNOWING THAT HEIGHTS ARE VERY SENSITIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, WE FELT IT WOULD BE, UM, NOT A GOOD USE OF ANYBODY'S TIME IF WE DIDN'T HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION ON WHAT THE, IF, IF THE HEIGHTS WERE JUST GONNA BE A A NO, YOU CAN'T BUILD IT AT THESE HEIGHTS. WE NEED THIS WHOLE PROJECT. WE NEED TO BE RE-LOOKED AT. SO, OKAY. GREAT. COUNCILOR FERMAN, IF I MIGHT, MR. MAYOR, UM, YEAH, TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT CLOSED. ANYONE CAN PUT IN AN APPLICATION, EVEN IF IT'S FOR CERTAIN GOING TO FAIL, YOU CAN PAY THE APPLICATION IF FEE CAN GET IT AND GET IT REVIEWED, HAVE STAFF RECOMMEND DENIAL AND GO TO P AND Z AND FIND OUT IT IS DENIED. UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT WHAT THE [00:45:01] STAFF WOULD NORMALLY RECOMMEND. YEP. 'CAUSE P AND Z TWOS HANDS WOULD BE TIED ON A DENIAL BECAUSE IT'S VIOLATED. AGAIN, THERE'S THE OPTION. UM, THAT'S A LITTLE AWKWARD, BUT SAYING, WELL, WE, WE COULD, STAFF COULD POTENTIALLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL IF, IF COUNSEL THEN AT THE END RECOMMENDS, UM, THE, THE, THE WAIVERS. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, MY SECOND QUESTION, BEIL DOES GO STRAIGHT TO YOU BECAUSE I'M GONNA TRY AND QUOTE YOU. YOU HAD SAID, AS LONG AS THESE BUILDINGS STAND, THEY WILL BE AFFORDABLE UNITS AND THEN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT, BUT IT'S A BUSINESS. SO THE REVENUE GENERATED FROM RENTS ARE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF THESE BUILDINGS. I WAS HOPING YOU COULD JUST GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE THOUGHT OF WHAT YOUR INTENTION IS AROUND THAT. I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT YOU WANT SOME FLEXIBILITY TO THE GUIDELINES FOR WHAT THE RENTS WOULD BE CHARGED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER REVENUE YOU'RE GENERATING FROM RENTS DOES IN FACT PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE. BUT I'D LOVE TO HEAR THAT IN YOUR WORDS SOME MORE BECAUSE I GUESS I'M, MY, MY QUESTION IS WHY THEN WE IN OUR PACKETS WAS THE 10 YEARS? SO WELL, UH, UM, I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHAT I SAY HERE. , YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY THERE. YOU'RE OKAY. , THIS IS SELF-FUNDED AND INCLUDED IN THAT SELF-FUNDING IS BUILDING THE CITY A ROAD FROM THE EAST SIDE TO THE WEST SIDE. AND I AM NOT SURE WHY I AM DOING THAT, BUT, UM, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A PROCESS, ALRIGHT? AND I, UM, UH, MY INTENTIONS AS I STATED ARE THAT THEY WILL ALWAYS REMAIN AFFORDABLE AND NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS BECAUSE I WILL WRITE THAT INTO LEASES AND WE'LL MONITOR IT AND WILL POLICE IT. UM, BUT, UM, WHEN THE CITY IS ASKING FOR SOMETHING AND I GET BASICALLY, UM, NOTHING IN RETURN, ALRIGHT THEN, AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING IN RETURN, RIGHT? UM, THEN I, I FIGURED A SELF-FUNDED PROGRAM SHOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON IT. ALRIGHT? NOW I UNDERSTAND THE REAL WORLD, ALRIGHT? UH, THE REAL WORLD IS THAT YOU CAN'T PUT PUT ME IN A, IN A SLOT SO TO SPEAK. SO I FALL IN THIS DEVELOPER SLOT, WHICH MEANS THAT ALL DEVELOPERS WILL BE JUDGED BY THIS. AND SO, UH, IF I DON'T AGREE TO THE 10 YEARS OR 30 YEARS OR WHATEVER IT IS, THEN NO ONE ELSE HAS TO. SO, UM, I GET THAT. ALRIGHT. UM, I STRUCK A DEAL. ALRIGHT? UM, I WAS GOING TO GET SOME SUPPORT FOR WHAT GOES, WHAT THIS PROCESS, THIS WHOLE PROCESS. IF I AGREED TO 10 YEARS AND SO I AGREED TO 10 YEARS. NOW THIS, THERE WAS NO GUARANTEES, NOTHING, BUT I STILL AGREE TO THE 10 YEARS, I, UH, ALL 54 UNITS WILL BE AFFORDABLE. ALRIGHT? UH, 27 OF 'EM WILL ACTUALLY CON FROM CON CONFORM TO THE 120%, WHATEVER IT IS, A MI, WHATEVER. UM, IT MAY BE LOWER THAN THAT. ALRIGHT? THERE MAY BE MORE AT A LOWER NUMBER, UH, DEPENDS ON WHO SHOWS UP. I APPRECIATE, UH, THE ANSWER TO THAT, MAYOR, TO MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU PETE. UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. UM, ALSO AWARE OF WHAT YOU AND YOUR WIFE ARE DOING IN THE COMMUNITY AND, AND REALLY SHARE YOUR GOAL OF TRYING TO BRING FAMILIES BACK INTO SEDONA. AND I WANNA THANK YOU FOR HAVING SEEN A PROBLEM AND THEN PUTTING BASICALLY SHOULDER TO THE GRINDSTONE AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO SOMETHING AND ADDRESS IT. SO PLEASE KNOW HOW MUCH THAT IS REALLY APPRECIATED AND, AND APPLAUDED. UM, I AM IN A BIT OF A CONUNDRUM HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT, THESE WONDERFUL GOALS AND THAT ALTRUISM THAT WE SHARE AND, BUT WE HAVE A PROCESS, UM, WHICH IS VERY COMPLICATED AND WHICH I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY FOR ME, CIRCUMVENTING. I HAVE, UM, A PROCESS THAT WOULD GIVE ME MORE INFORMATION TO CONTEXTUALIZE YOUR, YOUR APPLICATION. SO MY QUESTIONS, AGAIN, IT GOES TO, THIS WILL BE A CARRY QUESTION AS WELL. IT GOES BACK TO WHAT COUNCIL FURMAN HAD SAID, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WAS THIS PROCESS REALLY NOT ALLOWED OR WAS IT JUST THAT IT'S NOT THE BEST USE OF TIME? [00:50:01] BECAUSE THAT'S AN INTERNAL PROCESS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK OUT AND, AND FIX THAT. BUT WE, WE CAN'T MAKE AN EXCEPTION IN MY MIND. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE REASONING OF THAT BECAUSE TO ME, THERE ARE MECHANISMS FOR THIS TO GO FORWARD, UN MAYBE GET TURNED DOWN, BUT, BUT WE WOULD THEN HAVE THE ABILITY AND OF THE CHECKLIST THAT YOU GO THROUGH AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT BUILDING HEIGHTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING MASSING, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT BECAUSE IT HASN'T GONE THROUGH REVIEW PROCESS. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU COULD CARRY, WALK ME THROUGH WHAT YOU THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION. SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT IS, AND I THINK THE WAY THAT KURT AND JEANNIE HAVE WORDED THE AGENDA BILL AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS THAT THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A FINAL APPROVAL. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT THE HEIGHTS AND SOME OF THE EXHIBITS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED AND COMING TO A, UM, LIKE GETTING SOME DIRECTION OF OUR HEIGHTS IN THIS LOCATION APPROPRIATE. UM, THE PROJECT STILL NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE FULL ZONE CHANGE PROCESS. IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS WHERE WE WOULD LOOK AT ALL OF THE DETAILS AND A LOT OF THOSE DETAILS WE FELT, WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN WORK OUT THROUGH THAT PROCESS. BUT IF HEIGHT IN THIS LOCATION IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO COUNSEL A LOT OF THOSE DETAILS WOULD, THAT WOULD JUST BE PROBABLY NOT A GOOD USE OF ANYBODY'S TIME. AND I DON'T KNOW IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. IT, IT'S HARD BECAUSE THE QUESTION IS EVEN WELL PHRASED BECAUSE AS I STARTED WITH, THIS IS A CONUNDRUM. UM, BUT AGAIN, FOR ME IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST, WE HAD A POLICY DISCUSSION BACK, UM MM-HMM, SEVERAL WEEKS AGO ABOUT POLICY, GENERAL POLICY. THIS THOUGH, ALTHOUGH IT'S BEING FRAMED AS THIS IS JUST A POLICY DISCUSSION, IT'S NOT REALLY A POL JUST A POLICY DISCUSSION IN MY MIND BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S RELATED TO A SPECIFIC PROJECT. BUT I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFICS OF THE PROJECT. 'CAUSE THE PROJECT HASN'T BEEN REVIEWED FOR ME. AS I SAID, I USED THE TERM BEFORE AND I THINK IT'S THE BEST ONE I CAN COME UP WITH TO CONTEXTUALIZE THE REQUEST. 'CAUSE I CAN'T JUST LOOK AT BUILDING HEIGHT WITHOUT LOOKING AT BUILDING MASS, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO THAT, THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RECONCILE THAT. SO I GUESS ONE THING, UM, THAT WE DIDN'T, OKAY, GOING BACK A LITTLE BIT. SO YES, IT WOULD BE A LOT OF TIME ON STAFF'S PART TO PROCESS SOMETHING THAT, UM, BUT THAT IS OUR JOB. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. MM-HMM, I WOULD ALSO SAY IT'S, IT'S ALSO A LOT OF MONEY FOR AN APPLICANT TO PREPARE PLANS, A FULL ARCHITECTURAL PLANS, FULL SITE PLANS, ALL OF THOSE PLANS TO ONLY FIND OUT THAT ONE OF THE BASE KIND OF HOPES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO GO TO THAT HEIGHT IS A NON-STARTER. AND SO, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WORKFORCE HOUSING, THAT IS A LOT OF INVESTMENT ON THEIR PART BE WITHOUT HAVING SOME KIND OF CERTAINTY ABOUT WHETHER THE HEIGHTS WILL BE OKAY. UM, AND SO THAT, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT CONTEXT AS WELL. THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY, UM, WE FELT THAT THIS MIGHT BE A BETTER PROCESS. UM, AND KURT LOOKS LIKE HE'S GONNA SAY SOMETHING. WELL, I, MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR KURT. SO, AND I THINK THERE WAS, I YOU HAD A, I FEEL LIKE I LOST THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION. IT IT'S ALL RIGHT BECAUSE IF WE STICK WITH THIS, IT'S GONNA LEAD RIGHT INTO THE CONVERSATION WITH KURT. I THINK SO DO YOU WANNA APPLY FIRST? YEAH. THE, THE ONLY THING ADD MAYOR AND COUNCIL IS THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO EXCEPTIONS OF THE REQUESTING THE ONE MINOR SETBACK VARIANCE, AND THEN THE HEIGHT, WHICH IS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT, BUT THAT'S IT. SO THE, IT WOULD, UM, MEET ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS. IT'LL MEET MASSING REQUIREMENTS, UH, UNRELIEVED BUILDING PLANE REQUIREMENTS, EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THESE ARE THE ONLY EXCEPTIONS THEY'RE, THEY'RE REQUESTING. OKAY. AND I WOULD ALSO JUST WANT ONE CLARIFICATION ON THE SETBACK EXCEPTION. THAT IS A DIGA EXCEPTION. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES A SMALLER EXCEPTION, BUT THE DIGA SAYS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH INCREASED HEIGHT, IT NEEDS TO HAVE A LARGER SETBACK. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO IT WOULD MEET THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SETBACK. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT, YEAH, SO I GUESS THAT THAT WAS THE OTHER PART, IS THAT THE ONLY EX, THE ONLY PARTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT REALLY ARE THE HEIGHTS. MM-HMM. . UM, AND THEN THAT ONE SMALL SETBACK. WHEREAS IF THEY WERE TO REQUEST ANY OTHER EXCEPTIONS TO THE CODE, UM, THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND YOU'D PROBABLY, YOU'D LIKELY HAVE A FULLER, UM, PLAN AT THAT POINT BECAUSE THE PLANS WOULD BE MORE DEVELOPED. AND SO IF THEY WERE GOING TO SAY, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND FIND OUT THAT AN UNRELIEVED BUILDING PLANE WASN'T WORKING WITH THEIR DESIGN, AND THEY CAME BACK FOR A DIFFERENT EXCEPTION THAN YOU WOULD HAVE A MORE FULL IDEA OF THE PLANS AT THAT TIME. BUT AT THIS POINT, THE INTENTION IS TO MEET EVERY OTHER SECTION OF THE CODE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S [00:55:01] A, THAT'S IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION. UM, KURT, MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, THINGS COME TO COUNSEL ALL THE TIME FOR DIRECTION. WHY DOES THIS ONE HAVE TO BE A MOTION? IT'S IN HERE AS A MOTION FOR ACTION, WHICH INDICATES, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, THIS SORT OF HAVING TROUBLE SEPARATING THIS. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THE FINAL APPROVAL OF PROJECT AND WE GO BACK, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THIS IS AN APPROVAL AND IT'S INDICATING AN APPROVAL GOING FORWARD. AND AS OPPOSED TO JUST A DIRECTION CONVERSATION, WHICH WE HAVE ALL THE TIME, WHY COULDN'T WE, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY THAT THIS IS SET UP TO BE IN MOTION. SO, UH, WHY, WHY WASN'T IT JUST ON HERE FOR DIRECTION, WHICH WOULD THEN GIVE THE FEEDBACK THAT YES, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE ENTERTAINED OR NOT. I MEAN, WHY COULDN'T WE ACCOMPLISH IT THAT WAY, WHICH WOULD BE MUCH MORE IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR REGULAR PROCESS. SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, YOU, YOU COULD DO IT THAT WAY. YOU COULD JUST HAVE DIRECTION. IT'S NOT AS CERTAIN AS A MOTION, UH, WHERE YOU GET A VOTE FROM EVERYONE. UM, DIRECTION, OFTEN DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL OFTEN IS A LITTLE MORE AMORPHOUS. UM, AND, UH, SOMETIMES THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO SUMMARIZE IT AND THEN NOT EVERYONE'S IN AGREEMENT. SO THE, THE IDEA BEHIND DOING IT THIS WAY WAS PRIMARILY TO GIVE THE, UM, I'LL CALL HIM THE DEVELOPER, EVEN THOUGH HE, HE STATES HE'S NOT, UH, THE NON-DEVELOPER, DEVELOPER, THE NON-DEVELOPER, UH, SOME, SOME MINIMAL ASSURANCE, UH, THAT COUNCIL'S OKAY WITH THIS HEIGHT AT THIS LOCATION, BUT IT'S NOT BINDING. UH, BUT THEREIN LIES MY PROBLEM WITH IT. BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING TO GIVE SOME ASSURANCE, BUT IT'S NON-BINDING. AND THAT'S WHERE, IT'S NOTHING AGAINST YOUR, YOUR PROJECT REALLY HERE. BUT I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE, WITH THE MOTION IN THIS, BECAUSE TO ME THAT IS THAT WE'VE PASSED A PIECE OF POLICY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT. SO I MEAN, TO ME, THAT AGAIN, COMES BACK TO WHY THIS IS A CONUNDRUM. I JUST, I, THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE REVIEW OF YOUR PROJECT, WHICH I LOOK FORWARD TO VERY MUCH, YOU KNOW, AFTER P AND Z HAS DONE THAT. UM, THIS IS ABOUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT PROCESS FOR US UP HERE, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA GIVE AN ASSURANCE BEFORE WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE RIGHT PROCESS TO MAKE US COMFORTABLE IN WHAT WE'RE SO MAYOR, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, YOU'RE, THIS ISN'T, UH, ANY, YOU KNOW, SET OR PERMANENT POLICY DECISION. THIS IS, UM, WHETHER OR NOT COUNSEL BELIEVES THIS IS THE HEIGHT REQUEST, THAT THE REQUEST IN THIS LOCATION IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT. YOU COULD, I MEAN, I'D MAYBE LOOK TO THE DEVELOPER A LITTLE BIT ON THAT, WHETHER THEY'D BE OKAY WITH JUST DIRECTION. UH, BUT IF I WAS THE DEVELOPER LOOKING TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON GETTING ALL THOSE SET PLANS AND STUFF, IT, UH, THE IDEA WAS, UH, VOTE FROM COUNCIL, UH, WHETHER IT'S 7 0 6 1 OR WHATEVER, IS A LOT MORE IN ASSURANCE THAN JUST SOME, SOME THUMBS UP ON THE, THE DA. PERHAPS I CAN EXPLAIN WHY WE ARE GOING AS HIGH AS WE ARE. UM, WE LOOKED FOR A LARGER PIECE OF PROPERTY. 'CAUSE THE PROPERTY AS IT IS NOW WOULD ONLY, UM, I DON'T THINK IT WAS, WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 28 30 UNITS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. NOT ENOUGH. ALRIGHT. WE WANTED TO MAKE A BIGGER DENT THAN THAT. AND, UH, SO WE THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING THE PARKING UNDERNEATH, WHICH IS ALSO KIND OF A QUALITY OF LIFE THING. AND, UH, THAT ALLOWED US TO BE MORE DENSE AND ALLOWED US TO GET MORE UNITS IN THERE WITHOUT SACRIFICING THE OPEN SPACE. AND EVEN THOUGH THESE BUILDINGS WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT, UM, AND I WAS RECOMMENDED TO LOWER THE BUILDINGS IN ORDER TO NOT SPEND ALL THAT MONEY. BUT I, I WANT TO GET THE DENSITY AND I WANT THE QUALITY OF LIFE. SO, UM, I APOLOGIZE. NOTHING TO APOLOGIZE FOR MY, UM, NEXT QUESTION DOES GO TO YOU DIRECTLY. UH, YOU DID SAY BEFORE, AND THIS GOES BACK TO AGAIN WHAT COUNCIL FURMAN SAID, UM, AS LONG AS THE BUILDING STANDS YOUR INTENTION, BUT IT'S A BUSINESS, IT HAS TO BE SELF-SUSTAINING. MAY YOU LIVE FOREVER, HOWEVER, YOU PROBABLY WON'T. WHAT HAPPENS? THE BUILDINGS WILL STAND LONGER THAN YOU WILL. MM-HMM. , I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS IS IN A TRUST OR IN A LLC OR, YOU KNOW, BUT WHATEVER IT IS, THE DIRECTORS, THE TRUSTEES, WHATEVER WILL CHANGE AND THEN THEREFORE POLICY COULD CHANGE. SO WHAT IS YOUR ASSURANCE THAT ABOUT AS LONG AS THESE BUILDINGS WILL STAND? WELL, MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS, AS LONG AS I'M ALIVE, AS MY WIFE IS, BUT SHE'S GONNA LIVE TO 105. SO, UM, BUT NO, THAT'S A VALID QUESTION. UH, MAYBE I, UH, WAS A LITTLE USING SOME HYPERBOLE THERE. UM, [01:00:01] THAT ACTUALLY IS PART OF THE PROBLEM. ALRIGHT, OVER TIME PEOPLE CHANGE. MM-HMM. CITIES CHANGE. MM-HMM. , LEADERSHIP CHANGES, GOVERNMENT CHANGES, LOTS OF THINGS CHANGE. AND, UM, THAT BUILDING NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN ITSELF THROUGHOUT ALL THOSE CHANGES. ALRIGHT? UH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS I DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE AGREEING TO COVENANTS, RIGHT? BUT I CAN PUT MY OWN COVENANTS ON IT, RIGHT? AND, UM, SO, UM, DOES THAT MEAN THAT 30 YEARS FROM NOW SOMEBODY WHO'S THE BUILDING PASSED WHO WOULD SELL IT? MAYBE. BUT, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE, IT'S NOT MY BUSINESS, ALRIGHT? IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I NEED TO SUSTAIN MY LIFESTYLE, WHOEVER, IT'S A GOOD THOUGHT TO FIGURE OUT WHO, WHO RUNS IT AFTER I DIE. BUT, UM, UH, WHOEVER RUNS IT WON'T NEED IT FOR THEIR LIFESTYLE EITHER. ALRIGHT? IT, IT WILL BE, UM, FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA, SO TO SPEAK, RIGHT? AND THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING IT. SO PERHAPS IT NEEDS TO BE PUT IN SOME KIND OF TRUST OVER TIME. BUT, BUT RIGHT NOW, UM, THE, THE STRUCTURE IS AN LLC AND UM, IT IS, UH, WHAT DOES MY ATTORNEY SAY? IT IS NOT YOU, UM, MY TAX ATTORNEY, IT'S A, UM, NEGATING ENTRY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT JUST, EVERYTHING, ALL OF THEM FLOWED TO MY TAX RETURN. ALRIGHT? SO, UM, IT ACTUALLY PROBABLY WILL HELP MY TAXES AND . OKAY. WELL THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, OKAY. I'LL COME BACK LATER. OKAY, BRIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, FIRST OFF, AGAIN, THANK YOU TO YOU AND MIMI FOR THE COMMITMENT YOU'RE MAKING IN OUR COMMUNITY TO TRY TO SOLVE A MAJOR PROBLEM. SO, TRULY A SINCERE THANK YOU TO BOTH OF YOU. UH, YOU, YOU KIND OF ANSWERED A QUESTION A MOMENT AGO SAYING THAT IT ACTUALLY WOULD COST MORE TO BUILD UP THAN BUILD OUT, WHICH ISN'T USUALLY THE WAY IT WORKS. MM-HMM. , RIGHT? UM, IN THE EVENT THAT COUNSEL WERE TO SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT HEIGHT, WOULD YOU PUSH THE PROJECT FORWARD AND BUILD OUT INSTEAD OF UP? OR WOULD YOU SAY HECK WITH IT AND WALK AWAY? YES. GREAT. THANK YOU. ONE OF THOSE TWO ANSWERS, ONE OF THOSE TWO, I'M SORRY, I DON'T MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT? I REALLY DON'T KNOW. UH, AND THAT'S OKAY. I GOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO, IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS THAT THEY SAY TO THE MATTRESSES, YEAH, I'D WALK AWAY, I'D PUT A BOWLING ALLEY IN THERE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW? YEAH. AND I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO PLAY CHICKEN WITH YOU, I'M JUST ASKING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS IS. UH, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GONNA STAND ON, UH, A VOTE IN A LITTLE WHILE HERE. UM, I I, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ACTUALLY AT THE MOMENT. WELL, OKAY, TO COUNCILOR KINSELLA, ELLA'S CONCERNS ABOUT PROCESS AND EVERYTHING. WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PACKET, I WAS LIKE, OH, I, I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE, UH, COMMUNITY INPUT IS ON THIS. WELL, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET BECAUSE WE'RE AHEAD OF THE PROCESS. SO, UM, WE'VE GOT SOME FEEDBACK. A FEW OF US HAVE GOTTEN FEEDBACK FROM THE WILD AND YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY YOU ALL NEED TO BE TALKING WITH THEM. THEY TALKED TO ME , THEY YEAH, I DIDN'T REACH OUT TO THEM. THEY SPOKE TO US. YEAH. SO I DEFINITELY NEED TO BE TALKING WITH THEM. BUT THAT'S GETTING INTO OUR DISCUSSION. SO, UM, THE LAST THING IS, IS, UH, YOUR YOUR TAX UH, ATTORNEY, I WOULD'VE TOLD YOU, YOU'RE A DISREGARDED ENTITY. OH, DISREGARDED ENTITY. THAT'S WHAT IT, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. SO THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL DUNN. SO I JUST WANT, UM, TO START WITH A BIT OF CLARIFICATION FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY, MAKING SURE HE'S AWAKE OVER THERE. OKAY. OH, OH, YEAH. RIGHT. WELL, YOU NEVER KNOW. SO, UM, I WANT, THIS IS TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN AROUND IT BEING A MOTION OR NON EMOTION. AND FROM WHAT I HEARD FROM YOUR RESPONSE IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO REMEMBER IS THAT WE'RE NOT SETTING PRECEDENTS HERE, UM, LIKE A POLICY OR AN ORDINANCE NORMALLY WOULD, BECAUSE THIS IS A PROJECT SPECIFIC EXCEPTION THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY AGREEING TO. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY. YES. COUNSELOR DUNN. SO THERE'S NO RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE ATTACHED TO THIS. THIS DOESN'T AFFECT ANY OTHER PARCEL OR CREATE ANY PRECEDENT. UM, UH, EVERY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS, UH, IS SPECIFIC TO THE PARCEL THAT IT'S PROPOSED TO. SO IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY, UH, REACH ANY REACHING EFFECT OUTSIDE THIS PARCEL. [01:05:01] OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THIS, WHITNEY, THAT YOU HADN'T DONE THIS. UM, AND I DID GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND, YOU KNOW, SQUIRRELED MY WAY AROUND TO THE OTHER PART OF GOODROW LANE AND THEN, UH, SHERMA ROAD OR SHIMMER ROAD, I GUESS IT'S SHIMMER ROAD, BUT THERE'S NO, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY VIEWS LIKE WHAT YOU, YOU THOUGHT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ABOVE YOU AND THE TWO LOTS THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY, UM, HAVE ANYTHING ON THEM. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT YOU THINK THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE FROM THE HEIGHTS SINCE YOUR TALLEST BUILDING IS REALLY JUST BELOW THEM? COUNSELOR DUNN? YEAH, GREAT QUESTION. THE ACTUALLY THE SHORTEST BUILDING IS, IS RIGHT THERE. THE, SO THAT'S TRUE. AS YOU GO UP, YOU'RE CORRECT BECAUSE YOU, FOR THEM IT'LL BE TALL BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT UNDER THEM. BUT SO, AND I SAYING CORRECTED THAT, THAT THAT BUILDING MAXES OUT AT 33 FEET AND, AND, AND AS WE HEARD UNDER THE CURRENT DIGS, WE COULD GET TO 30 FEET. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONLY A THREE FOOT DELTA AT THAT LOCATION. AND THERE'S NO QUESTION, BUT THAT WHEN THIS PROJECT COMES BACK TO YOU FOR, FOR FULL APPROVAL, YOU'LL SEE ALL OF THOSE RENDERINGS. UM, I, I COULDN'T EXPLAIN IT BETTER THAN KERRY MEYER DID, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND, AND MM-HMM, AND THERE'S A CHICKEN OR EGG PROBLEM HERE. UH, AND THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, CAN WE, CAN WE UNDERTAKE THIS PROJECT? YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL HEARD AND DISCUSSED AT YOUR, AT YOUR, UH, MEETING LAST MONTH WAS THAT, THAT DIGA ISN'T BEING USED AND, AND, AND, AND AS A RESULT, DIGA IS NOT WORKING. UM, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE REASONS FOR THAT, BUT THIS IS CERTAINLY A PROJECT THAT WAS CONCEIVED OUTSIDE OF THAT DOCUMENT. AND, AND I TRIED TO EXPLAIN BRIEFLY SOME OF THE REASONS AND, AND, AND BASIL DID BETTER THAN ME AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHY, FOR EXAMPLE, PUTTING THE PARKING UNDER THE UNITS IS BETTER THAN JUST HAVING AN EXPANSIVE PARKING LOT, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, THE, THESE AREN'T THINGS THAT ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THE CURRENT INCENTIVES. AND IT'S, AND, AND IT'S THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE. MM-HMM. , IF, IF, IF WE COULD PUT A A, A, A DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE FOUR CORNERS OF, OF, OF DIGA, WE WOULDN'T NEED TO BE HERE. BUT, BUT WE, BUT WE CAN'T DO THE QUALITY AND THE DENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT, THAT BASEL WOULD LIKE TO DO UNDER THAT PROGRAM. AND, AND CANDIDLY NO ONE ELSE CAN EITHER. THAT'S WHY NOBODY'S USING DIGA. SO WE'RE, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT IN OPEN WATER AND, AND, AND, AND COUNCILOR KINSELLA, YOUR QUESTIONS I THINK GO DIRECTLY TO THAT AND, AND WE FULLY APPRECIATE IT. SO WHAT WE'RE HERE TODAY IS TO HEAR CAN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CONSIDER THIS? MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, OR NOT IN, IN, IN, IN, IN, IN WHATEVER DIRECTION YOU GIVE HIM THAT, THAT'S WHAT BASEL NEEDS TO HEAR. SO HE NEEDS TO KNOW HOW TO, TO MOVE FORWARD. SO YOU, YOU START TO TOUCH ON ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE. SO THE HEIGHT FOR THE BUILDINGS IS PART OF THAT HEIGHT REQUIREMENT BEING HIGHER BECAUSE YOU WANT TO PUT THE GARAGES UNDERNEATH, YOU HAVE TO, YOU'RE GONNA USE SOME OF THE LAND THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY PUT A BUILDING ON FOR THE GARAGE SPACE. AND I, I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT AS CLARITY. THAT'S PRECISELY CORRECT. OKAY. UM, SO, SO THAT WAS ONE THING. I'M SORRY, I HAVE, I HAVE HANDWRITTEN NOTES IN MY HANDWRITING IS NOT TERRIFIC. IF I COULD JUST ADD YEAH, IF WE COULD COVER THE LOT WITH MORE PARKING, BUT WHAT YOU HEARD FROM BASEL WAS THAT'S NOT WHAT HE WANTS. HE WANTS FAMILIES AND HE WANTS CHILDREN, WHICH MEANS YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU NEED TO HAVE LAWNS AND OPEN SPACE AND, AND AREAS FOR PETS AND THINGS THAT AREN'T ASPHALT. AND, AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHY THESE STRUCTURES HAVE BEEN DESIGNED THE, THE WAY THAT THEY HAVE. WE, WE HAVE ALSO DESIGNED THEM TO HAVE FLAT ROOFS AND, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BRING TO KEEPING THAT PROFILE AS LOW AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. SO, SO WE REALLY ARE TRYING TO STRIKE A BALANCE. YEAH. AND UM, I KNOW I DIDN'T START OUT WITH A HOE, UM, THANK YOU. BUT, UM, IF YOU'VE EVER HEARD ME SPEAK, I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE NEED TO DO FOR THE LONGEVITY AND SUSTAINABILITY OF OUR COMMUNITY IS TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BRING FAMILIES BACK, UM, AND HAVE FAMILIES HERE. SO, UM, I'M IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH THAT FOR SURE. UH, IN MY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A WHOLE LONG LINEAGE OF PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS IN MY BACKGROUND TOO, SO I GET IT. UM, OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I, I HAD, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE UNITS AND YOU TALK ABOUT SOME BEING AFFORDABLE AT THE ONE 20% OF A MI, UM, AND SOME WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO CHARGE FOR THEM. ARE THEY ALL EXACTLY IN YOUR MINDS NOW, GOD REALIZE YOU DON'T HAVE ALL OF THIS FIGURED OUT, BUT IN YOUR MINDS, IN YOUR PLANNING, DO YOU SEE THEM ALL AS BEING EXACTLY THE SAME [01:10:01] UNIT AS OPPOSED TO UNITS THAT ARE AT THE ONE 20% A MI ARE SMALLER THAN A ONE BEDROOM UNIT THAT'S NOT AT THE A MI THEY'RE ALL GOOD. UM, NO, UH, THE ANSWER IS THAT THE 27 UNITS COULD BE 27 DIFFERENT UNITS, UM, AT ALL TIMES. RIGHT. DEPENDING ON WHO THE, UM, RESIDENTS ARE. I DOUBT THE TOWNHOUSES WOULD BE USED BECAUSE I THINK THE TOWNHOUSES WOULD BE, UM, USED MORE FOR MAYBE A YOUNG PROFESSIONAL JUST, YOU KNOW, LOOKING, MAYBE LOOKING FOR A HOUSE IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS AND UH, BUT NEEDS A PLACE AND HAS A WIFE AND A LITTLE KID AND WHATEVER. UM, AND SO FOR A COUPLE YEARS THEY, THEY MIGHT BE THERE. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE TO SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT IT WILL BE AFFORDABLE TO THEM. UM, AND I, BUT ALL THE TOWNHOUSES WOULD BE THE SAME QUALITY, SAME DIMENSIONS, BASICALLY. I MEAN, UNLESS THE ARCHITECT IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT THEY'RE NOT BEING DESIGNED DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA PAY AS MUCH. ALRIGHT. IT'D BE THE SAME, SAME BUILDING. OKAY. AND, AND I COULD, AND I WOULD ALSO ADD THE APARTMENTS ARE ARE ONE, TWO, AND THREE BEDROOMS, AND SO YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE A DIVERSITY OF THOSE UNITS BEING, UH, UTILIZED AS THE AFFORDABLE UNITS AS WELL. OKAY. SO, SO THANK YOU. AND, AND, UM, I KNOW WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION ON OTHER TIMES, WE TALKED ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING UP HERE, BUT, UM, WE DO NEED TO NOT JUST LOOK AT ESSENTIAL WORKERS, WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT CRITICAL WORKERS. SO THESE ARE HEALTHCARE AND POLICE AND FIRE, UM, WHO ARE NOT NECESSARILY EARNING MINIMUM WAGE. SO I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT. AND SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT GENERALLY TO THE PEOPLE WHO MAY BE LISTENING OUT THERE, THAT, UM, AFFORDABLE WILL BE DIFFERENT BASED UPON YOUR INCOME. AND CRITICAL WORKERS ARE ESSENTIAL IN OUR COMMUNITY, NOT JUST ESSENTIAL WORKERS. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT HEALTHCARE WORKERS TO COME HERE WITH THEIR FAMILIES. WE NEED TO ATTRACT POLICE, FIRE, EMTS, ALL THE OTHER SETS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CRITICAL WORKERS TO OUR COMMUNITY, IN MY OPINION. WELL, CURRENTLY WE HAVE, UH, A FIREMEN, WE HAVE A POLICEMAN, WE HAVE TEACHERS. WE HAD THE, UM, UM, SUPERINTENDENT OF THE DISTRICT LIVING THERE FOR A WHILE. UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, PLUMBERS, ELECTRICIANS, UH, MEDICAL PERSONNEL. I MEAN, UH, YEAH. BUT WE, WE DON'T, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE FAMILIES TO COME BACK AND WE, SO, AND, AND HAVE A JOB. . YES. WELL, WELL, THANK YOU. THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS, MS. MAYOR. OKAY. UH, VICE MAYOR AND THEN I'LL GO TO, UH, COUNCIL WILLIAMSON. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, RECENTLY I WAS AT A CANDIDATE FORUM AND THEY SAID, WHAT ARE THE TOP THREE ISSUES THAT YOU THINK ARE IN THIS CITY? I SAID, WELL, FOUR YEARS AGO I WOULD'VE SAID TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC. BUT TODAY I WOULD SAY TRAFFIC HOUSING AND BRINGING FAMILIES BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY. SO I HEAR YOU AND I'M WITH YOU, BUT I SEE THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, PERHAPS. I THINK THIS IS A PRECEDENT SETTING. I UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE TECHNICALLY IT ISN'T, BUT I THINK IT IS. 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE THE FIRST THREE STORY BUILDING IN THIS TOWN, IN THE CENTER OF THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, IN THE, UH, COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR OF THE TOWN. AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ACCEPTED VERY EASILY. SO IT'S GOING TO ENGENDER A BIG DISPUTE. SO WHEN WE SAY, IS THIS THE RIGHT PLACE? PROBABLY IT IS THE RIGHT PLACE BECAUSE IT IS CLOSE TO THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL AREAS AROUND THERE. BUT IS 10 YEARS ENOUGH TO UNDERGO THAT FIGHT? NOT FOR ME. AND, UH, IS 30 YEARS, WHICH IS NOW 30 YEARS, IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, BUT NOW WE'RE SAYING IT'S NOT REALLY 30 YEARS. THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE NAILED DOWN. AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE AT ALL. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THIS PROJECT BEFORE, SHOWED UP IN OUR PACKET. NO ONE HAS EVER TALKED ABOUT IT WITH US. AND THEN WE'RE EXPECTED TODAY, HEARING ABOUT IT FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME EVER TO APPROVE IT, APPROVING IT, BUT NOT REALLY APPROVING IT, WHICH I AM NOT AT ALL COMFORTABLE WITH. SO, AND NOT TO HAVE ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR FROM THE PUBLIC. MAYBE WE'RE GONNA GO TO PUBLIC GIFT CARDS, WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT I NEED [01:15:01] TO KNOW WHETHER THIS FIGHT IS A FIGHT WORTH HAVING. AND THE, SO CARRIE, I WOULD SAY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WE'RE ONLY EXPECTED TO GIVE, AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH A MOTION EITHER. BUT, UH, EVEN DIRECTION, IT DEPENDS, THE ANSWER TO ME IS, IT DEPENDS. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE DEAL IS. DEPENDS ON WHETHER WE'RE GONNA GET ENOUGH GOOD TO HAVE A FIGHT WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. AND RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK IT IS GOOD ENOUGH FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, BUT, BUT IT, IT IS THE BEGINNING FOR PEOPLE WILL SAY, THIS THREE STORY IS GOING TO NOW BE ALL OVER SEDONA. AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT INTO NEIGHBORHOODS. WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH HOUSING FOR SURE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF PUSHBACK IN THE COMMUNITY. SO FOR ME TO FEEL COMFORTABLE TO, TO UNDERGO THAT, WHAT WILL BE VERY INTENSE DISCUSSION WITH OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, IT'S GONNA NEED TO BE A BETTER DEAL MORE HOUSING. YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, AND I UNDERSTAND I'M A, I WAS A BUSINESS PERSON IN MY LIFE. I WORKED IN THE CORPORATE AMERICA. I GET IT. I KNOW WHAT THAT'S LIKE. BUT THIS IS, THIS IS A SITUATION THAT IS GOING TO CREATE HAVOC AND CHAOS. AND SO IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, BALANCE ONE SIDE VERSUS THE OTHER, I THINK IF YOU REALLY INTEND TO MAKE IT ALL WORKFORCE, THEN WE SHOULD HAVE IT ALL WORKFORCE. IF YOU REALLY INTEND TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE, IT SHOULD ALL BE AFFORDABLE. IF YOU REALLY INTEND NEVER TO HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS, IT SHOULD NOT, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS. YOU NEED TO GIVE US SOMETHING THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO ARGUE IN FAVOR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT UNDER A LOT OF INTENSE PRESSURE THAT'S GONNA COME DOWN THE ROAD. UH, I AGREE WITH YOU, EXCEPT, UM, IF YOU BUILD THE ROAD, I'LL GIVE YOU THE 30 YEARS. IF WE BUILD A ROAD, NO, THE ROAD, AGAIN, THAT'S PART OF THE NEGOTIATION THAT WOULD HAPPEN. YEAH. WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T NEGOTIATE FROM THE DAIS. BUT, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE, IT'S ALL NEGOTIABLE AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. MM-HMM. , I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL THAT BEFORE. I AGREE THAT IT'S TO GIVE YOU, I UNDER, I TOTALLY GET HOW MUCH MONEY IT WILL COST TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT I GOTTA BE HONEST WITH YOU. OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. UM, COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, ARE YOU STILL WITH US? I SURE AM. OKAY. UH, I'D LIKE TO JUST POINT OUT THAT I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE FIRST THREE STORY BUILD IT, I THINK, I BELIEVE NO. OF AT LEAST I BELIEVE I KNOW OF TWO, SO I'D LIKE TO CHECK WITH STAFF, BUT I KNOW THAT THE WILD IS THREE STORIES. UM, AND I BELIEVE THE FORMER SUPER EIGHT IS THREE STORIES. SURE. SO THERE, I BELIEVE ALREADY ARE THREE STORY BUILDINGS ALONG THE CORRIDOR THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND ROYALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS POSSIBLE TO, TO BE IN AN UPROAR ABOUT SOMETHING. BUT THIS IS NOT THE BEGINNING OF THREE STORIES IN SEDONA. WE HAVE THREE STORIES, AND THE REASON THEY'RE THREE STORIES, I BELIEVE IS THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO BE THERE. CARRIE. UM, CAN YOU TELL ME WHETHER OR NOT MY FACTS ON THIS ARE WRONG OR RIGHT? SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE BOTH THREE STORY BUILDINGS. THE ANTE AND WHICH IS THE FORMER SUPER EIGHT WAS BUILT PRIOR TO THE CITY'S INCORPORATION. AND THE WILD, THE FORMER SEDONA ROUGE MAXED OUT ALL OF THE ALTERNATE STANDARDS AVAILABLE, UM, FOR THE SITE. SO I DO BELIEVE THEY WERE ABLE TO GET UP TO, GEEZ, UM, I THINK IF YOU MAX OUT, YOU, YOU CAN GET UP TO 37 FEET ON A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE BUILDING. AND SO, UM, THEY, THEY DID THAT AND WITH COLOR AND ROOF SLOPE AND MULTIPLE BUILDINGS ON THE, LIKE THEY DID EVERYTHING. UM, AND THEY DID IT, IF I RECALL, BY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY, WHICH IS, [01:20:01] I UNDERSTAND THIS BUILDING IS PROPOSING TO DO AS WELL. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT ON THE TABLE. THIS IS ACTUALLY NOT A PRECEDENT IN THAT PART OF SEDONA ALONG 89. A, UH, THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR YOU, UH, MR. MARK, IS, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU CONSIDER, UH, JUST HAVING NO SHORT TERM RENTALS, UM, IN PERPETUITY, UH, GIVEN THAT THE GOAL THAT THE CITY HAS AND THE GOAL THAT I KNOW YOU PERSONALLY HAVE IS TO PROVIDE HOUSING. UM, AND SO IN TERMS OF SHORT TERM MODULES, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER DOING? I, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, I'M SURE I'M GONNA BE ASKED THAT QUESTION AGAIN. AND I'M SURE THERE WILL BE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES TO AGREE TO THAT. BUT AT THIS MOMENT, I DO NOT WANT TO AGREE TO IT UNTIL WE HAVE FINISHED EVERY OTHER ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT. OKAY. WELL, EARLIER YEAR YOU ASKED FOR OPINIONS. IN MY OPINION IS WITHOUT THAT, NO MATTER WHAT IT PROVIDES, IT'S IDA WANT CHURCH AND RENTALS ON THIS PROPERTY. I THINK WE NEED HOUSING, AND I THINK WE'LL ALWAYS NEED HOUSING. JUST SO YOU KNOW WHERE I'M COMING FROM. THE OTHER STUFF I'M WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THE 10 YEARS. I AM VERY SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS YOUR MONEY AND YOU'RE, AND ODDLY ENOUGH, YOU ARE ABLE TO, TO DO THINGS THAT WE SO FAR HAVE BEEN PRETTY MUCH UNABLE TO DO. SO WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING, WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING, WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING, BUT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE QUESTIONS. SO I'LL SAVE MY COMMENTS TILL LATER. UM, I THINK THE REST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE ALL BEEN ANSWERED AND I'LL SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR, FOR THE FUTURE, MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON. OKAY. UH, BASIL WHITNEY, UH, I'M, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH YOUR PROJECTS. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO AND WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHING, AND IT'S VERY ADMIRABLE, AND I TRULY, TRULY DO APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING IN OUR CITY. AND I, WHILE IT, I DIDN'T WORK OUT IN THE VOC, THE PROJECT THAT YOU HAD, I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE COMING INTO OUR CITY TO TRY TO DO THIS. SO, UH, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. YOU MENTIONED A ROAD BUILDING A ROAD, AND I DID, I DON'T RECALL READING ANYTHING ABOUT THE ROAD IN, IN THE PACKET. MAYBE I JUST MISSED IT, BUT SOMETHING THERE. OKAY. COULD YOU TELL US WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT A ROAD? BECAUSE I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, GOODROW, UH, AND THE USAGE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE LIVING IN THIS, UH, COMPLEX. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT REBUILDING GOODROW? NO. THE ROAD. UH, WELL, WE PROBABLY ARE, BUT, UM, THAT'S NOT THE ROAD. I MEAN. OKAY. UM, I THINK I, I THINK THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN US AND THE WHOEVER'S BUILDING THE PLANT IN FRONT OF US THAT WE WOULD DO SOMETHING WITH THAT ROAD. BUT NO, THERE'S A ROAD FROM THE, I THINK IT'S CONTRACTORS' ROW THAT GOES RIGHT STRAIGHT OR KIND OF MEANDERS THROUGH AND ENDS UP GOING, JOINING UP WITH, WHAT IS IT? BENNETT BENNETT ROAD. AND IT'S A, IT WAS A PRIORITY FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING THE PROJECT WITH. AND, UH, HOWEVER IT WAS LEFT TO US TO PAY FOR IT. OKAY. YOU DON'T HAVE A GRAPHIC FOR THAT, DO YOU? UH, I CAN, I, I THINK I CAN ILLUSTRATE IT. UH, OH 4 2 0 4 ON THE PAGE, OR 2 0 4 ON THE, ON 2 0 4 IN THE PACKET. YOU CAN LOOK AT AT LEAST THE, THE OVERHEAD MAP TO THE, TO THE EAST OF THE PROJECT CONTRACTORS ROAD CURRENT CURRENTLY. THAT ENDS INTO A STRUCTURE, UH, UH, AND, AND TO THE WEST OF THE PROJECT BENNETT ROAD, UM, CONNECTS AND, AND THEN UP INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH. AND IN CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF, THERE WAS A STRONG, UH, DESIRE EXPRESS THAT, THAT, UH, WE NEEDED TO PREPARE FOR THE CONNECTION, THE FUTURE CONNECTION OF THOSE ROADS, EVEN THOUGH CONTRACTORS ROAD CURRENTLY DOESN'T FLOW THROUGH. UH, AND, AND IT, AND IT BIFURCATES ESSENTIALLY THE NORTHERN THIRD OF THE PROJECT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO. WELL, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD HELP ME IN THE PROBLEM THAT I'M HAVING WITH, UH, GOODROW AND BENNETT, UH, GOODROW, THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW, IF, AND I'M ASSUMING BETWEEN, UM, AL CALISTA AND PRIMARILY YOUR PROJECT, [01:25:02] THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE GOING ON GOOD ROW WOULD BE INCREASED. AND GOODROW, I DON'T BELIEVE ANDY OR, UH, KURT HARRIS, HE I KNOW SEE SOMEWHERE, UH, I, HE WAS, OH, THERE HE IS. UH, I DON'T BELIEVE IT MEETS THE STANDARDS FOR TWO-WAY TRAFFIC. AND ULTIMATELY ONE PERSON HAS TO, HAS TO PULL OFF TO A SHOULDER BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO-WAY TRAFFIC. SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM FOR ME. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KIDS WALKING DOWN TO 89 A, THEY WOULD BE WALKING THROUGH, UH, THE WILD. UH, AND THAT'S HAS, THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME WHEN YOU MENTION HERE WALKABILITY, THAT'S NOT REALLY WALKABILITY IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF A, BASICALLY AN INDUSTRIAL AREA. SO THAT'S THAT TERM. I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL IT REALLY FITS BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY WALKABILITY. UH, BUT WITH EXTENDING THAT ROAD, THAT MIGHT MAKE IT BETTER. BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE TAKING PO POSSIBLY KIDS WOULD BE WALKING FROM THIS COMPLEX TO COFFEE POT AT THE OTHER END OF, UH, SO CAN, CAN I WEIGH IN? WHERE AM I HEARING MY HEARING YOUR VOICE? OH, CARRIE, I'M SORRY. SO FIRST OF ALL, GOODROW, UM, WITH THE CHEA PROJECT THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED ABOUT A YEAR AGO OR SO, UM, THEY WOULD BE, AS PART OF THEIR PROJECT, IMPROVING THAT ROAD AND ADDING A SIDEWALK ALONG THERE ALONG THEIR, UM, PROPERTY ALONG THAT PROJECT FRONTAGE, UM, THE ROAD THAT I BELIEVE MR. MAR IS TALKING ABOUT IS THE EXTENSION OF BENNETT WAY THAT, UM, AS PART OF THE ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION AND AS PART OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN PROPERTIES, THERE WOULD BE THAT REQUIREMENT THAT, THAT THAT BENNETT WAY BE EXTENDED. UM, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE CONNECTION TO CONTRACTORS ROAD IS SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO ADDRESS IN THE FUTURE. UM, BUT, UM, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, AGAIN, WITH THE EXPECTATIONS OF A ZONE CHANGE AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT WOULD BE PART OF THAT WOULD BE THE EXTENSION OF BENNETT WAY ALONG. UM, YOU CAN SEE IT KIND OF ALONG THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY HERE ON THIS SLIDE. I'M JUST, I'M LOOKING AT A GRAPHIC THAT'S IN THE PACKET. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. ON PAGE 2 0 4, AND AGAIN, THESE WOULD ALL BE DETAILS THAT WOULD BE DISCUSSED DURING THE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, UM, IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO CONTINUE. OKAY. ANDY, I WOULD ONLY JUST ALSO ADD THAT CONNECTIONS SUCH AS THIS HAVE BEEN HIGHLIGHTED AS A PRIORITY AND THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN UNDER THE SIM STRATEGY, SIX MINOR CONNECTIONS. UM, SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT BENNETT WAY CON CONNECTED TWO CONTRACTORS THAT WOULD HAVE A SHARED USE PATH? THAT WOULD BE SIM 11. SO ANOTHER STRATEGY OF THE MASTER PLAN, BUT WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS ONE OF THE MAJOR STRATEGIES COMING OUT OF THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN WAS ABOUT CONNECTIVITY. AND THIS WOULD MEET THAT BENEFIT THAT IS A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, I'M SEEING WOULD THIS ROAD CONNECTION ON BENNETT WAY HAVE TO TRAVEL THROUGH, UH, BASEL'S PROPERTY IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM? YES, IT WOULD. OKAY. AND THEN IT WOULD CONNECT TO CONTRACTORS ROAD WHERE I'M NOT SEEING HOW THAT WOULD BE, BUT IT COULD BE JUST A BIG GRAPHIC. SO THERE WOULD BE, THERE WOULD BE SOME WORK THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE THERE. AND LIKE CARRIE SAID, THE CITY WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN MAKING THE FULL CONNECTION THERE. OKAY. AND CARRIE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT YOU MEAN BY, UH, GOODROW WOULD BE IMPROVED? ASIDE FROM THE SIDEWALK, WHICH I KNOW WHAT A SIDEWALK IS. YEAH. IMPROVEMENT COULD BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE THE PLANS IN FRONT OF ME. I DON'T HAVE, AGAIN, THESE, THESE WERE ALL, WE COULD GET YOU THIS INFORMATION, BUT, UM, AS PART OF THAT PROJECT, THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, REPAVING THE ROAD AND WIDENING IT, IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, I BELIEVE, I MEAN, THEY WOULDN'T BE WIDENING THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH, BUT I BELIEVE THEY WOULD BE BRINGING THE PAVEMENT UP TO STANDARDS. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD, AND THAT WOULD BE VETTED OUT BY P AND Z AS A MOVE FORWARD? YEAH, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PLANS FOR WHAT THEY WERE SHOWING ON THAT, BUT THAT WAS PART OF THAT PROJECT. OKAY. MAYOR, IF I MIGHT, AND CARRIE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THERE'S NO INTENTION THAT GOOD ROW BECOMES A MAJOR CONNECTION AT 89 A I THINK THAT'S A RIGHT TURN OFF, RIGHT. TURN ON AS AS OPPOSED TO AN INTERSECTION. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT, BUT IT'S A VERY PRECARIOUS LEFT HAND TURN. OH. WHERE, UM, THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE WOULD OBJECT TO IT BEING A RIGHT. WRITE-IN WRITE OUT, OR AT LEAST WITHIN THE CITY. WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE CONNECTIVITY THAT, UH, BASEL MENTIONED. YEAH. SO, AND AGAIN, A LOT OF THOSE DETAILS WOULD BE WORKED OUT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND ZONE CHANGE PROCESS. OKAY. BUT WE DO HEAR THAT THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THE PROJECT. UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND. AND I WOULD RATHER SEE THE CAR CARS TRAVEL DOWN TO, UH, THE [01:30:01] TRAFFIC LIGHT VERSUS COME DOWN TO, UH, AND I GET THAT, BUT IT'S A WAY KIDS WILL GO THE SHORTEST DISTANCE NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU WORK TO KEEP THEM SAFE. THEY'RE GONNA FIND THE SHORTEST DISTANCE AND IT WOULD BE RIGHT THROUGH THE WILD PARKING LOT. SO, UM, OKAY. UM, THE BUILDING HEIGHTS IS, IT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME TOO, BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT. PUT IN CONTEXT, THE BUILDING CLOSEST TO 89 A WOULD BE THE, THE TALLEST BUILDING WOULD BE THREE STORIES. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. AND AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE, THE ONE SECTION IN THE BACK WOULD BE HOUSES OR VACANT LOTS. VACANT LOT AND HOUSE. RIGHT. WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THAT BUILDING? IS THAT THREE ALSO THREE STORIES, OR IS THAT DOWN TO TWO STORIES BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAID THE ELEVATION? NO, THEY'RE THREE STORIES. SO IT'S, BUT THE, BUT THE HEIGHT COMES DOWN TO 33 FEET, AND IN PART THAT'S BECAUSE OF, UH, THE, THE SLOPE AT THAT LOCATION. BUT THE, IT'S SLOPING DOWN TOWARD 89 A. CORRECT. IF THERE ARE ALL THREE STORIES, HOW DOES IT END UP A, A PLANE? I'LL END UP ASKING FOR CARRIE'S HELP ON THIS, BUT IT, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE WAY THAT THE CITY MEASURES HEIGHT FROM NATURAL GRADE AND BE, AND BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING INTO SLOPE, WE COME ABOVE NATURAL GRADE 33 FEET, BUT, BUT THE BUILDING DOESN'T SIT ON THE TOP OF THE SLOPE. OKAY. IT WOULD HELP ME IF YOU HAD A, A PHOTO OR A GRAPHIC SHOWING THE ELEVATIONS AND THE BUILDING HEIGHTS, THAT WOULD'VE HELPED ME, UM, UH, ON THE MIC, CARRIE, I'LL HAVE TO TURN IT ON. SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. UM, SO YEAH, I BELIEVE THE BUILDINGS IN THE BACK ARE SHORTER, ABOVE NATURAL GRADE BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE CUTTING INTO THE SLOPE A LITTLE MORE UP THERE. THERE'S, UM, AS THEY GO UP THE HILL, THEY WOULDN'T, ANYTHING YOU CUT DOWN INTO THE SLOPE DOES NOT COUNT. AND THIS PICTURE, UM, JUST FOR REFERENCE, YOU SEE THE, THE FORMER BUILDING THAT HAS SINCE BEEN TORN DOWN, RIGHT. UM, IN THE FOREGROUND, THAT IS A ONE STORY BUILDING, THE CHEA BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED, UM, AS MEETING ALL HEIGHT, CITY HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS IS A TWO STORY BUILDING A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE STREET THAN THAT BUILDING. UM, SO IF YOU DOUBLE IN YOUR MIND DOUBLE KIND OF MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN DOUBLE THE, THE HEIGHT OF THAT BUILDING, UM, AS WHAT WOULD BE IN THE FOREGROUND IN FRONT OF, UM, THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN I JUST GET CLARIFICATION? SURE. SO, SO CARRIE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THIS ONE STORY HOME DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE? I I WASN'T CLEAR WHAT YOU WERE YEAH, YEAH. THAT BUILDING THAT'S IN THE, IN THE PICTURE THERE, I BELIEVE THEY GOT THIS OFF OF A GOOGLE STREET VIEW. OH, OKAY. UM, THAT HAS BEEN TORN DOWN. AND THE ALCHEMIST METERY, UM, THAT WAS APPROVED MM-HMM. , WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW, UM, THERE WAS A NEW BUILDING APPROVED IN THAT LOCATION AT TWO STORIES. SO IN THE TWO STORY BUILDING WAS SIT IN FRONT OF IT. YEAH. UM, THERE'S SOME, THAT BUILDING HAD SOME PARKING IN FRONT OF IT, AND THERE IS NO PARKING IN FRONT OF THE ALCHEMY BUILDING, SO I BELIEVE IT'D BE A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE STREET THAN THAT BUILDING WAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SETBACK. SO FROM 22 TO 17, IS THAT, IS THAT THE RIGHT NUMBER? DIFFERENCES FROM 20 TO 17? I'M SORRY. UH, YES. 20 TO 17. SO IS WHICH BUILDING IS IT THAT IS GOING TO 17. THE ONE CLOSEST TO THE HOMES, OR THE ONE CLOSEST TO SOMETHING ELSE? THE ONE CLOSEST TO 89 A. SO CLO CLOSEST TO THE CHEA. AND ON THIS SLIDE IT'S BUILDING A AT THE BOTTOM. UM, YES SIR. OKAY. SO THEN THAT, MY ISSUE OF, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WINDOWS AND VIEWS, IF IT WAS ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES, YOU'D BE LOOKING DOWN INTO OR INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S WINDOWS, SO, CORRECT. MAYOR, WE, WE, WE, WE MEET, WE MEET ALL OF THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AT EVERY LOCATION EXCEPT ONE CORNER OF, OF THE BUILDING CLOSEST TO THE WILD AND CHEA. OKAY. IS THAT ANY TYPE OF AN ISSUE WITH EITHER THE WILD OR, UH, CHEA? DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM? I MEAN, CHEA, YOU, I'M SURE YOU CAN CONTACT, EXCUSE ME, THE, UH, THE, THE BUILDERS OR THE OWNERS, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, I BELIEVE, WORKFORCE HOUSING IN THEIR TWO STORY BUILDING. THAT CARRIE, IS THAT GONNA BE THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE TWO STORY BUILDING? YEAH, SO THE BUILDINGS ON THE ALCHEMIST SITE THAT ARE, UM, ON THE, I GUESS ON THE NORTH END OF THE ALCHEMY SITE ARE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. AND [01:35:01] AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE IF THEY WERE TO GET THEIR PROPOSED RM THREE ZONING BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO REZONE THIS FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO MULTIFAMILY FOR THE PROJECT, THEY'D BE PART OF IT. SO THOSE ARE THE SETBACKS WE'RE GOING OFF OF THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN EIGHT FOOT SETBACK AT THAT POINT. BUT THE DIGA STATES THAT BUILDINGS WITH INCREASED HEIGHT ARE TO HAVE A 20 FOOT SETBACK. AND SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE 17. SO IT'S, UM, THE EXPECTATION, AND EVEN IF THIS WAS DEVELOPED AS A SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY, AS IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED, THE SETBACKS, DEPENDING ON THE ORIENTATION, COULD BE SEVEN FEET AT THAT POINT. OKAY. SO THE EXPECTATION OF WHERE A BUILDING WAS, IS THIS IS ACTUALLY A GREATER SETBACK, IS JUST THAT WHERE THE DIGA SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE 20 FOOT BACK. IF YOU'RE USING INCREASED HEIGHT, THEY'RE NOT MEETING THAT. OKAY. THAT'S A BIG HELP. THANK YOU. UH, OKAY. I TOO AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, WELL, I, I'LL LEAVE THAT FOR COMMENTS. SO, UH, I THINK WE'VE FINISHED QUESTIONS. OKAY. WOULD YOU PLEASE? SURE. SO, I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST GONNA LOOK AT YOU GUYS OVER HERE. UM, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS AROUND WHETHER OR NOT THE TERMS ARE SATISFACTORY ON 10 YEARS AND 30 YEARS. I'VE HEARD CONCERNS AROUND THE CONNECTIONS WITH THE ROADS AND WHETHER THE BES AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DENY THIS PROJECT STILL ONCE ALL OF THOSE DETAILS HAVE BEEN DONE, BECAUSE THIS IS A ZONE CHANGE REQUEST. AND SO WE DON'T NEED TO SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS TODAY. EVEN STATING THEM IS A GOOD THING. BRINGING THEM UP IS A GOOD THING. SO YOU'RE AWARE AND YOU'RE AWARE OF HOW COUNCIL IS CURRENTLY FEELING, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THOSE TODAY. WE ONLY NEED TO MAKE A DECISION AROUND WHETHER OR NOT WE BELIEVE THE TWO EXCEPTIONS, THE HEIGHT AND THE SETBACK WOULD BE ALLOWABLE UNTIL SUCH A TIME AS WE SEE ALL THE REST OF IT AND WE STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO DENY IT. AM I FOLLOWING THIS CORRECTLY? YES, COUNCILOR DUN. THAT'S CORRECT. THIS CAN, CAN STILL BE DENIED BY COUNSEL WHEN IT COMES BACK. THIS IS A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, IS WHAT STAFF PUT IN THE PACKET OF THE, OF THESE TWO EXCEPTIONS. AND WE JUST PACKAGED IT IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO GIVE, UH, AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. UH, AND MAY END UP BEING EXACTLY LIKE IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL. UH, BUT ULTIMATELY IT HAS TO COME BACK TO COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND REZONE, UH, WHICH NOTHING'S GONNA REQUIRE COUNSEL TO APPROVE THAT. IT'S A PURELY LEGISLATIVE ACT AND COUNSEL CAN, UH, APPROVE OR DENY IT AT THAT TIME. MM-HMM. IS YOUR ANSWER, UH, TAKEN CARE OF. OKAY. VICE MAYOR, THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN HERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO THEORETICALLY CONDITIONALLY APPROVE. THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT INCLUDES A 30 YEAR RESTRICTION ON SHORT TERM RENTALS, WHICH WE'RE TOLD IS NOT AGREED UPON. SO THAT WAS TO BE DISCUSSED TONIGHT. THAT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL WILL DECIDE AND THEY CAN, UH, PROVE IT CONDITIONALLY WITH A 30 YEAR AND THEN THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT OR NOT. SO STAFF, I, I'M THE ONE WHO PUT THE 30 YEARS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE LAND USE RESTRICTION AGREEMENT BASED ON OTHER AGREEMENTS AND OTHER THINGS COUNSEL HAS DONE. UM, SO THAT'S WHY THE 30 YEARS WAS IN THOSE AGREEMENTS. VICE MAYOR PLU WHITNEY, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THAT'S A, I I AM AWARE THAT THAT OUR CURRENT OFFER IS 10 AND THAT CURRENT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY HAS BEEN INSISTING ON 30. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT THAT ISSUE BEING RESOLVED TODAY. UM, AND WE'RE FULLY AWARE, AS COUNCILOR DUNNA POINTED OUT, THAT, THAT WE'RE COMING BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AT A POINT IN THE FUTURE FOR A LEGISLATIVE ACTION. AND YOU'RE GONNA SAY YES OR NO, BUT, BUT, BUT I WANTED TO, TO TAKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID AND, AND, AND FRAME IT IN THE LIGHT OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU EXPRESSED, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE CITY GETTING THAT MAKES THIS WORTH THE FIGHT? AND I I, I THINK FUNDAMENTALLY, THE, THE QUESTION ISN'T OUR, ARE SHORT TERM RESTRICTIONS FOR 10 YEARS OR SHORT TERM RESTRICTIONS FOR 30 YEARS? THE, THE BENEFIT, OR, OR, OR, OR GOOD ENOUGH, THE BENEFIT TO THE CITY IS 54 UNITS FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. RIGHT? AND UNDER, UNDER CURRENT ZONING, THAT CAN'T HAPPEN UNDER THE CURRENT DIGGAS THAT CAN'T HAPPEN. AND ALL OF THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT YOU FOLKS HAVE ASKED AND EXPRESSED THIS EVENING, THESE ARE THE SAME CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS THAT WE GET WHEN WE SIT DOWN WITH CARRIE AND DEVELOPMENT STAFF IN HER OFFICE. RIGHT? AND, AND, AND [01:40:01] THE, AND PROBLEM IS YOU FOLKS CAN SET DIRECTION, WHEREAS CARRIE AND HER STAFF, THEY'RE STUCK. THEY'RE, IT'S NOT HER JOB TO, TO, TO MAKE THESE RULES OR TO OVERRIDE THESE RULES. YOU'RE THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN SAY IN A TOWN WHERE A HOUSING STUDY SAYS, WE'RE 2000 UNIT SHORT. THIS IS A DENT AND AND WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD SUBJECT TO A FUTURE UP OR DOWN BOAT ON WHETHER WE DID OUR JOB. AND, AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT IS TO SAY, THIS IS, THIS IS THE RIGHT DIRECTION. LET'S KEEP GOING. I THINK WE OWE IT TO YOU TO BE GIVE YOU OUR VIEWS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SAY YES AND COME BACK AND SAY NO BECAUSE, WELL, WE FORGOT TO TELL YOU THAT THIS WAS A BIG ISSUE FOR US. ABSOLUTELY. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR. OKAY. ANY OTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO COMMENT? COUNCILOR DUNN? ALRIGHT. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF YEARS HERE. MM-HMM. . AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. THAT IN THE THE PACKET WE TALK ABOUT 10 YEARS AND THAT'S 10 YEARS AT 120% A MI THAT THOSE 27 UNITS WOULD BE AT THAT PRICE, WHATEVER THAT PRICE MAY BE. AND THEN THE 30 YEARS IS AROUND NO ST SO ONE'S A DEED RESTRICTION AND THE OTHER'S A RESTRICTION ON BASICALLY RENTAL PRICES. AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL CLEAR THAT BOTH OF THOSE WERE IN THE PACKET. MM-HMM. . UM, AND SO WHEN WE ASK YOU TO, UM, AGREE TO THE TERMS OR WE SAY THESE ARE TERMS WE WANT, WE ARE SEPARATING THEM BETWEEN RENT COSTS AND STR RESTRICTIONS. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT THESE ARE BOTH IN HERE AND THAT YOU'RE AWARE THAT THEY'RE BOTH IN HERE. RIGHT? SO YOU ARE AWARE THAT THEY'RE BOTH IN HERE AND THEY ARE DIFFERENT. WE ARE AWARE, YES. OKAY. OKAY. NOW WE SATISFIED OUR QUESTIONS. OKAY. LET'S GO TO THE PUBLIC. JOE, YOU READY WITH THE TIMER? OKAY. UH, SEAN SMITH, WE BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, CASSIDY ALLEN SHOWING YOU ANOTHER DRILL. UH, THREE MINUTES AND ANOTHER THE DRILL. I STILL HAVEN'T GOT THE MIC PACING YET, SO I APOLOGIZE WHEN YOU'RE READY FOR THAT. IT DOESN'T START TILL YOU START. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR, COUNCIL AND STAFF. MY DEEPEST GRATITUDE TO THE MAYOR FAMILY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT A SEISMIC SHIFT IN HOW WE VIEW THESE PROJECTS. THE AMOUNT OF COMMON GOOD BEING BROUGHT HERE DESERVES THE STRENGTH OF EMOTION. THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN COMING SINCE THE HOUSING GROUP DID TOWN HALLS ABOUT THE MISSING MIDDLE IN THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR WHERE THEY SHOWCASE THREE STORIES ALONG 89 A. WE SHOULD ALL HAVE THESE PROJECTS. WE SHOULD HAVE PUT THE MINDSHARE IN BY NOW TO KNOW THAT THESE PROJECTS ON WORKFORCE HOUSING DESERVE A CRACK IN THE NO EXTRA HEIGHT EDIFICE. LET'S LEAVE IT AT THAT AND NOT REQUIRE A BUNCH OF HORSE TRAINING. NOW, JUST TO SAY THAT WE'RE OPEN TO THESE EXCEPTIONS AT SUCH AN EARLY STAGE, WE NEED THIS TYPE OF HOUSING. I DROVE ALL AROUND THE PROJECT PROPERTY AND NOTED ONLY TWO NEARBY PROPERTIES THAT WOULD'VE, UH, HAVE, THAT WOULD HAVE RED ROCK VIEW SHED AFFECTED OF THESE TWO. ONE HOUSE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE WINDOWS FACING THE PROJECT PROPERTY. THE OTHER WAS ON THE CORNER OF BENNETT. I APPROACHED THAT PROPERTY. THEY WEREN'T HOME, BUT YOU COULD TELL FROM THE FRONT STOOP THAT THEY, THIS PRO PROJECT WOULD ONLY BE BLOCKING VIEWS OF 89 A NOT OF THE EVEN OF THE AIRPORT, WHICH ISN'T EVEN RED ROCK VIEWS. SO WE KIND OF HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT TYPE OF VIEW SHED DO WE MOST CARE ABOUT DRAB HILLS OR RED ROCKS OR BOTH OR, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER THING. AS WE HEAD TOWARDS SOLUTIONS TO WORKFORCE OR ATTAINABLE HOUSING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ESTABLISH SOME OBJECTIVE STANDARDS THAT DEFINE WHEN HEIGHT LIMITS EXCEPTIONS ARE ALLOWED. THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE A FIGHT EVERY TIME AN EXCEPTION IS REQUESTED. WE SHOULD CODIFY TO THE RULES, ALL THE CONDITIONS, MAKING ACCEPTABLE, MAKING ACCEPTABLE HEIGHT LIMIT EXCEPTION. WHAT AREAS GET, UH, A LOW DISCUSSION EXCEPTION? HOW ABOUT A VALLEY OR TOPIC TOPOGRAPHICAL DEPRESSION OR AREAS THAT ONLY HAVE TREE HILLS? AS A BACKDROP, WE SHOULD DEFINE WHATEVER OTHER CONDITIONS ARE APPROPRIATE TO ENSURE THE RED ROCK VIEWS ARE PROTECTED. THIS IS ALL A PRELUDE TO DISCUSSIONS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE AS WE DEVELOP THE WESTERN GATEWAY. LET'S GET AHEAD OF THIS NOW, WITH OBJECTIVE STANDARDS TO STREAMLINE THESE TYPES OF HOUSING PROJECTS, LET'S GET AN ITEM OR ITEMS ON WHATEVER SCHEDULE TO ALLOW DISCUSSION BY THE RESIDENTS ABOUT IF OR WHAT KIND OF EXCEPTIONS WE WILL ALLOW AS A COMMUNITY SEEKING THE BALANCE BETWEEN THE HIGHEST COMMON GOOD AND THE HARDLINERS THAT WILL FIGHT FOR ZERO EXCEPTIONS NO MATTER WHAT. I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT IN ELECT WANTED TO NOTE THAT IN AN ELECTION YEAR WITH TWO SEATS POTENTIALLY CHANGING, EVEN PASSING A MOTION UNDER ANYBODY UNANIMOUS [01:45:01] DECISION HERE MAKES FOR POTENTIALLY MUDDY WATERS DOWN THE ROAD. I SENT AN EMAIL ABOUT THIS PROJECT LAND LOCKING TWO PARCELS ZONED BY O'DONNELL, WHO WAS ON THE TRANSIT BOARD TO THE NORTH OF THE PROJECT. IF THE BUILDING AT THE END OF CONTRACTOR ROAD WAS DEMOLISHED AND THAT ROAD CONNECTED TO BENNETT, THEN THE LANDLOCKED PARCELS PARCELS ISSUE WOULD ALSO BE RESOLVED. THAT WOULD ALSO SOLVE AN ISSUE ON SHIMBERG ROAD. I TALKED TO A RESIDENT THERE ON THAT ROAD WHO ISN'T AFFECTED BY THE V SHED IN ANY WAY, BUT PEOPLE COME DOWN THEIR ROAD TRYING TO CROSS THE O'DONNELL PROPERTIES TO GET TO THE BREWERY. SO HAVING A ROAD CONNECTING BENNETT TO A CONTRACTOR ALSO KIND OF SOLVES THEIR PROBLEM AS WELL. SO THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. SEAN CASSIDY ALLEN, WELCOME. TODAY YOU CAN START WITH YOUR NAME AND THEN CITY OF RESIDENCE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU YOUR ADDRESS OR ANYTHING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HELLO, MY NAME IS CHASSIDY ALLEN. WHAT'S THAT? CAN I, HI, MY NAME'S CASSIDY ALLEN. I LIVE IN CAMP VERDE AIR. I USED TO BE A RESIDENT OF SEDONA. I DO WANNA THANK THE COUNCIL FOR YOUR TIME AND ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. AND I ALSO WANNA THANK YOU FOLKS FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR OUR TOWN AND FOR THE AREA. THAT IS A HUGE STEP UP, ESPECIALLY BRINGING FAMILIES BACK TO THE TOWN BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, MY CIRCUMSTANCE, I WAS ONE OF THE FAMILIES WHOSE HOME WAS CONVERTED TO AN AIRBNB, SO I HAD TO MOVE TO COTTONWOOD. SO I COME BEFORE YOU GUYS TODAY BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A GREAT IDEA. I APPRECIATE YOUR STANCE ON NOT BEING WILLING TO COMPROMISE A LITTLE BIT, OR I'M SURE THAT'S A BIT MUCH. BUT I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT WITH HAVING THE HIGHER RISE. NOW, YEARS AGO, I PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN ONE OF THE FOLKS WHO WAS REALLY UPSET ABOUT THE SIZE OR THE, THE HEIGHT. BUT NOW IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL USE, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL HOUSING. AND FOR THAT, I AS THE RESIDENT WOULD BE HAPPY TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE WE'RE AT A TIPPING POINT. WE NEED HOUSES. THIS IS A SMALL LITTLE NUDGE THAT AS A CITIZEN I WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S WORTH THE TRADE OFF. THESE ARE HOPEFULLY GONNA BE AFFORDABLE. I UNDERSTAND IT'S A BUSINESS. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THESE TOWNHOUSES TO KIND OF KEEP THE MAINTENANCE BECAUSE I WORRY THAT IF THE TOWNHOUSES AREN'T A FACTOR, THEN PERHAPS THE QUALITY OF THE MAINTENANCE MIGHT BE AFFECTED IF THERE ISN'T SOME SORT OF A HIGHER PAYING RESIDENT IN THOSE TOWNHOUSES. BUT I HOPE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK AT THESE OPTIONS. 'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS POSSIBLE AND SOMETHING THAT'S WORTH EVALUATING. I APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS' TIME AND I DO HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE A GOOD DAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CASSIDY. OKAY, WE'RE, UH, ANY MORE, UH, PEOPLE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING? SEAN, YOU CAN'T, I DIDN'T STATE MY NAME. JUST SEAN SMITH. I'M A RESIDENT FOR THE RECORD. OKAY, WELL THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. ALL RIGHT. AND WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR COMMENTS. PETE, DO YOU WANNA KICK OFF? I DO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. APPRECIATE THAT. OH, I'M GONNA START BY SAYING YES, THE DIG ISN'T WORKING. I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT THAT WAS STATED HERE TODAY AND, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO GET THE DIGA WORKING. AND ON THIS PARTICULAR OPPORTUNITY HERE, THE DOOR IS SHUT. MAYBE NOT LEGALLY EXACTLY SHUT AND BARRED SHUT, BUT, UH, I GET IT THAT THE LDC SAYS WE CAN'T DO THAT EVEN WITH DIRECTOR EXCEPTIONS. SO I THINK, BUT MY CONCERN HERE WAS THAT WITH THE WORDING OF A, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THAT IT GAVE THIS ACTION TODAY A CERTAIN IPRO IMPRO TOUR THAT I THINK COULD BE MISCONSTRUED AMONGST LOTS OF PEOPLE. AND, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I WANT THE DOOR TO BE OPEN ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT FOR US TO THINK ABOUT IT. STAFF DOES TREMENDOUS WORK WITH AN INNUMERABLE LEVEL OF DETAIL ON ANY PROJECT THAT COMES THROUGH. AND I DON'T WANNA SIT HERE ON THE DAIS AND TALK ABOUT THE ROAD CROSSING IT AND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO GOOD BRO, AND WHETHER THERE'S GONNA BE AN SUP. THIS IS NOT A DESIGN REVIEW FOR THIS PROJECT. THIS WAS REALLY ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO THE DIGA IF WE WANT TO MAKE THE DOOR OPEN FOR THIS PROJECT TO BEGIN THAT NEGOTIATION THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE. NOW, KURT, I THINK THAT OUR RULES STATE THAT WE CAN VOTE ON ANYTHING THAT'S ON OUR AGENDA. AND IF WE DECIDED TO JUST DO STAFF DIRECTION THAT SAYS FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, WE'RE GONNA ALLOW THE DIRECTOR TO HAVE ADDITIONAL [01:50:01] FLEXIBILITY THAN WHAT'S STATED IN THE DIGA FOR BUILDING HEIGHTS UP TO 42.5 FEET, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS. AND, AND, UH, SETBACKS TO 17 FEET. AND I DON'T WANT IT TO APPLY TO THE WHOLE PROJECT. UH, KURT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD EXACTLY GIN UP LANGUAGE FOR A MOTION, BUT I GET, I GET MR. MARS DESIRE AND STAFF'S DESIRE TO SORT OF KNOW WHERE WE SIT AND WE CAN MAKE A MOTION ABOUT THAT AND VOTE ON IT. AND, AND KURT, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT I'VE SAID IN THERE THAT CAN'T BE WORKED OUT ACCORDING TO OUR RULES? UH, NO COUNSELOR FROM THEY COULD WORK OUT. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE IT APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IT WOULD JUST BE THE, THE WAIVERS, UM, LISTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. . I MEAN THAT'S, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT'S, OR UNLESS YOU WANNA READ THEM OUT, YOU COULD READ OUT THOSE TWO SECTIONS, SECTION 2.1 AND 2.2 AND JUST READ THOSE INTO YOUR MOTION. WELL, I'LL, I'LL GIVE SOME ROOM TO MY FELLOW COUNSELORS TO THINK ABOUT OTHER LANGUAGE WE MIGHT USE ON A, ON A MOTION HERE. BUT IT'S CERTAINLY MY INTENTION TO MAKE SOME TYPE OF ALTERNATE MOTION AND NOT USE TERMS OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE STAFF SOME LANGUAGE HERE THAT GIVES THEM THE FLEXIBILITY TO OPEN THIS DOOR TO THIS PROJECT AND BEGIN THE NEGOTIATION. THAT WILL TAKE SOME AMOUNT OF TIME. BUT I WANT TO SEE OUR VERY CAPABLE STAFF TALK ABOUT ALL THESE ISSUES THAT WE BROUGHT UP TONIGHT AND DO THEIR WORK AND THEN BRING IT TO PLANNING AND ZONING BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT BELONGS. AND WE WANT THEIR INPUT. AND THEN IT COMES TO US. AND THERE'S STILL LOTS OF ROOM IN THIS PROCESS FOR P AND Z AND STAFF, RIGHT? STAFF. WE COULD TELL STAFF 42 FEET, LET'S TALK. AND MAYBE BECAUSE OF THE DETAILS IN THE PROJECT, THEY COME OUT AND THEY'RE TALKING WITH YOU ABOUT, AH, 42 FEET. MAYBE THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK. THEY GET LOTS OF, RIGHT. THERE'S STILL FLEXIBILITY IN THIS PROCESS. BUT YOU WANNA KNOW THE DOOR IS OPEN. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE DOOR IS OPEN AND BEGIN THE NEGOTIATION ON THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THE DIGA DOES NEED TO CHANGE IN SOME WAY. AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS GIVEN SOME ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY IN THE DIGA. AND I DON'T WANNA DO IT PERMANENTLY. I WANNA DO IT ON SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROJECT IS RUN A TEST CASE AND LET'S SEE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT AMONGST US. SO THAT'S MY COMMENTS FOR NOW, MAYOR. THANK YOU PETE. COUNCILOR KINSELLA, THANK COUNCILOR FURMAN AND I ARE VERY MUCH ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THIS. UM, I, UH, DISAPPOINTED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A VERY LIMITED QUESTION IN FRONT OF US, BUT YET ADEAS WENT DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE OF LOOKING AT DESIGN ELEMENTS. AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHY THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE CIRCUMVENTED THE PROCESS AND COME HERE BEFORE IT WENT THROUGH THE DESIGN REVIEW THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH. SO WE WERE, THERE WAS A CASE IN POINT UP HERE OF EXACTLY WHY THIS FAILED. UM, THAT BEING SAID, UH, I, YOU KNOW, VERY MUCH WANNA SEE THIS PROJECT CONSIDERED. UM, I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE LANGUAGE OF THE MOTION. I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR FURMAN THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT LANGUAGE FOR AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION. UH, I DO HAVE SOME LANGUAGE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE, WHICH WOULD BE THAT COUNCIL DIRECTS THAT THE BCT PROPOSAL FOR DEVELOPMENT AT 60 GOODROW LANE BE REVIEWED FOR DESIGN AND REZONING RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT EXCEPTIONS TO HEIGHT AND SETBACKS WILL BE REQUESTED. THE REASON I LEFT IT BLANK WAS I DON'T WANNA GO INTO PUTTING SPECIFIC HEIGHT NUMBERS OR SETBACK FEET BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO DEVELOP THROUGH THE PROCESS. IT MAY CHANGE, I DON'T KNOW, WOULD A HALF FOOT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER MAKE A DIFFERENCE? I DON'T WANNA BE THAT SPECIFIC. 'CAUSE THAT'S THE ROLE OF CARRIE AND HER CAPABLE STAFF. AND THAT'S THE ROLE OF OUR VERY WELL-VERSED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. AND IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THAT. SO THAT IS THE LANGUAGE THAT IF WE GET TO THAT POINT, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORWARD AS A MOTION, AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE MOTION THAT IS IN THE PACKET SO THAT THIS CAN GO FORWARD SO THAT IT CAN BE REVIEWED AGAIN WITH THANKS FOR BRINGING A PROJECT LIKE THIS. BUT WE DO HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL ASPECTS OF IT, INCLUDING THE 10 YEARS, 30 YEARS. BUT THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE HASHED OUT AT A LEVEL THAT IS NOT ON THIS DAY IS AT THIS TIME. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M PROPOSING. THANK YOU. UH, UH YES, BRIAN, HIS NAME IS BRIAN FTZ FO FULLMAN ONE. DO YOU KNOW WITH NO, I'M BRIAN. IT JUST WASN'T COMING OUT. OKAY. OKAY. BECAUSE OTHERWISE I CAN'T DO THE FTS ALLMAN. THANK, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, I THOUGHT COUNSELOR FURMAN STARTED OFF COMMENTS VERY, UH, ELOQUENTLY AND ADDED ON VERY [01:55:01] NICELY BY COUNSELOR KINSELLA. UH, I THINK I WILL PLAN ON SUPPORTING THE MOTION THAT COUNSELOR KINSELLA HAS OUTLINED. SO TO BE CLEAR TO BASEL AND, UH, TEAM, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I SUPPORT PRELIMINARILY. I SUPPORT THE VARIANCE FOR HEIGHT AND THE SETBACK PENDING THE FULL PROCESS AS HAS BEEN, UH, LAID OUT. UM, THE COUPLE PIECES OF FEEDBACK THAT I HAVE FOR YOU ARE, PLEASE JUMP ON PUBLIC INPUT, NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT. PLEASE JUMP ON GETTING THAT INPUT ASAP BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MOVES THE NEEDLE ULTIMATELY WHEN IT GOES TO P AND Z AND THEN WHEN IT COMES HERE. SO DON'T WAIT THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT GETTING THAT FEEDBACK. GET IT RIGHT AWAY, UH, IS MY PERSONAL OPINION AND, AND ADVICE. UM, AND THEN AS HAS ALSO BEEN SHARED, UH, BY SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES, I DO BELIEVE THAT 10 YEARS IS NOT LONG ENOUGH FOR THE AFFORDABLE, UM, TIME PERIOD. UH, SO I THINK THAT IS IT, MAYOR. THANK YOU COUNSEL. DONE. SO I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT FURMAN, KINSELLA AND FOLTZ, UM, HAVE SAID. AND I, I JUST WANNA MAKE, MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR THAT IN, IN MY OPINION, 'CAUSE I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, I'M NOT STAFF, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. ALL OF THOSE DESIGN DETAILS, I EXPECT WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK AND, UM, I PROBABLY WILL NOT BE ASKING CARRIE QUESTIONS ABOUT MASSING. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, CARRIE. UM, HOWEVER, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT AND IT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT IN TIME FOR OUR CITY. IF WE WANT TO SAY WE ARE TRULY COMMITTED TOWARDS BRINGING BACK A COMMUNITY, WHICH MEANS FAMILIES AND CHILDREN. AND WE ARE TRULY COMMITTED TO TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE MAY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. NOT THAT THEY WILL, BUT THEY MAY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE WITHIN OUR CITY BECAUSE WE DO HAVE HOUSING THAT IS AFFORDABLE. UM, AND IS, UM, GOOD QUALITY HOUSING. I THINK THIS, THIS IS A TEST CASE FOR US BECAUSE WITHOUT DENSITY, THIS DOESN'T WORK. AND DENSITY IS GOING TO REQUIRE EXCEPTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO THE VARIOUS, UM, HEIGHT ASPECTS AND WHATEVER ELSE MAY BE OUT THERE. CERTAINLY HEIGHT. UM, AND I'M GONNA STOP THERE 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S, THAT'S MY ARCHITECTURAL LEVEL. UM, SO I THINK THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT, HOW WE WANT TO WORD THE MOTION. UM, I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT SO LONG AS WE MAKE SURE THAT IT IS CLEAR WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH INVESTIGATING THIS PROJECT AND WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AS, UM, A COMMUNITY IN INVESTIGATING HOW WE CAN GET MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILT IN OUR COMMUNITY. VICE MAYOR AND THEN COUNCIL WILLIAMSON, AFTER I SAID YES, YES, YES, YES. OKAY. I I COULD NOT, I COULD NOT VOTE ON THIS MO I CAN'T. I MEAN, I HAVE TO VOTE IT DOWN BECAUSE IT JUST IS BEYOND WHAT I AM COMFORTABLE WITH IN THE PROCESS SENSE, BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO, UH, TO APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. WHETHER IT'S CONDITIONAL OR NOT, TO ME IT IS PRECEDENT SETTING. SO YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU TO FEEL OUR COMMITMENT FOR THE PROCESS TO GO FORWARD. I WANT THE PROCESS TO GO FORWARD AND I WANT THE FEE, YOU KNOW, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GIVING YOU TO BE CONSIDERED AS GOOD FEEDBACK. BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES BACK TO US FOR ULTIMATE APPROVAL FOR REZONING, THOSE, THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SHARED, WE HOPE WILL BE INCORPORATED. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE WITH OUR STAFF AND WITH PLANNING AND ZONING ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, I'D BE OPEN COMPLETELY TO HEARING ALL OF THAT. FOR ME, IT'S THE 10 YEARS HAS GOTTA MORE, AND I'M NOT SAYING WHAT THAT IS, BUT IT'S JUST NOT SUFFICIENT. UH, THAT WOULD BE A A A COULD BE A DEAL BREAKER. IT WOULD BE A DEAL BREAKER I THINK, FOR ME. SO JUST GIVING YOU THAT FEEDBACK. BUT I SUPPORT THE ALTERNATIVE MOTION AND I THANK COUNCILLOR KINSELLA FOR DRAFTING IT. [02:00:01] OKAY. COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON FROM POINTS OUT. UH, YOU STILL WITH US? THERE YOU GO. OKAY. I'M STILL HERE. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE UP. YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THIS WHOLE PROJECT AND THIS WHOLE ACTUALLY HISTORY OF OUR HOUSING PROGRAM AFTER THE LAW TO THE LAST YEAR KIND OF GOES TO SHOW WHY WE STILL HAVEN'T BUILT ANY HOUSE A YEAR . AND WHY WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, WE CAN PUT, WE CAN PUT IMPEDIMENTS IN FRONT OF EVERY SINGLE PROJECT IF WE, WELL, UM, WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO ALLOW REASONABLE EXCEPTIONS TO ALLOW THE DENSITY THAT'S REQUIRED. THIS IS 54 UNITS OF HOUSING. IS THAT NOT, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE TO CONSIDER THAT A COMMUNITY BENEFIT AT, EXCEPT FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS AT ALMOST ANY LEVEL. UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S JUST KIND OF SHOCKING. THE, THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT. NOWHERE DID ANYBODY TALK ABOUT THE RIGHT THING TO DO. WE TALK ABOUT, OH, THE COMMUNITY'S GOING TO BE UNHAPPY AND IS IT WORTH THE FUSS AND IS IT REALLY WORTH THE FIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A BIG CONTINUE TO PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT THAT'S JUST PEACHY KEEN AND HUNKY DORY. AND I, I APPLAUD THAT. I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK THERE'S A UNANIMITY ON COUNCIL, WHICH IS, WHICH IS KIND OF INTERESTING. I WILL SUPPORT WHATEVER PUTS THIS PROJECT BACK INTO PRODUCTION IF, IF YOU, IF IT'S THIS PARTICULAR MOTION, WELL, SO BE IT. I JUST, WHEN I LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS, I JUST, I JUST HEARD, AND I KNOW EVERYBODY'S GONNA TELL ME, OH, IT'S YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND IT'S THIS AND IT'S THAT. BUT AT THIS STAGE IN THE PROJECT, IT'S A, IT'S JUST NEGATIVE AND JUST NOT IN INDU INDICATIVE OF THE KIND OF, LET'S TRY AND GET SOMETHING DONE. THAT MAKES SENSE. ATTITUDE THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE US TO BRING TO THESE, TO THESE PROJECTS. I THINK VAIL AND NIMI HAVE BROUGHT INCREDIBLE RESOURCES TO THIS COMMUNITY, ARE WILLING TO MAKE INCREDIBLE INVESTMENTS. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THE, THAT THERE IS A CITY BENEFIT TO THE WAIVERS THAT WE GIVE. UM, DO WE, HOW MUCH I THINK THE ISSUE IS GOING TO BE, HOW MUCH IS THAT? DO WE NEED TO ENSURE THERE'S NO SHORT TERM RENTALS ANYWHERE AND THAT THE AFFORDABILITY IS 30 YEARS AND THAT THE ROADWAY IS THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER THING? OR ARE WE WILLING? AND I GUESS THAT'S THE NEGOTIATIONS GOING TO HAPPEN NOW AND I LOOK VERY FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT'S GOING TO COME BACK, UM, AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. UM, IT'S, I THINK IF I WERE THE STATE PEOPLE WANTING TO ELIMINATE ZONING, I WOULD LOOK AT, AT THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS AS A, AS A SORT OF TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE OF. SO BEFORE THAT MIGHT BE NECESSARY. BUT IN ANY CASE, I'M DONE WITH MY COMMENTS. I WILL SUPPORT WHATEVER MOTION CAN PASS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COUNSELOR. UH, I TOO WILL SUPPORT IT. UH, BUT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE 10 YEARS. AND YOU MENTIONED THAT IT'S WORKFORCE HOUSING. WELL, IS IT NOT GONNA BE WORKFORCE HOUSING IN 10 YEARS FROM NOW? I KNOW YOU AND YOUR WIFE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING WORKFORCE HOUSING, SO IT SHOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF IT'S 10 YEARS OR NOT. YOU ASKED. WELL, I THINK WHITNEY, HOW DID YOU PHRASE IT? WELL, WHAT ARE YOU GETTING? WHAT'S THE TRADE OFF? AND I'M PARAPHRASING THE HEIGHT OR WHATEVER, UH, YOU KNOW, TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, I, I, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY HERE OR EXCEPT COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON THAT HAS A, DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE 10 YEARS. SO I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE DOWN HERE YOUR COSTS, YOUR COSTS, YOUR COSTS, AND IT'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE SPENDING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. I DON'T WANNA [02:05:01] SEE YOU WASTE MONEY. AND, AND THAT'S WHY YOU CAME HERE TODAY TO KNOW WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT. WE ALL HAVE A PROBLEM. I MEAN, WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH HEIGHT, BUT WE WILLING TO LOOK PAST THAT. BUT THE 10 YEARS IS A, IS A PROBLEM FOR ME, BUT I'M WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY. BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT MOVING FORWARD, IF THAT DOESN'T CHANGE, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF I, WHERE I WILL BE WITH YOUR, UH, EVOLVING PROJECT IN THE FUTURE. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AT, WHAT WAS THE OTHER TIMEFRAME? 30 YEARS. 30 YEARS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS. S ST OH FOR THE SDRS. I KNOW YOU AND I KNOW YOUR WIFE, YOU HAVE THAT TO SAY WE SHARE THAT SAME ISSUE WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS. DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHETHER 30 YEARS OR 50 YEARS, DOES IT REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE? DO YOU REALLY WANT SHORT TERM RENTALS THERE ON YOUR PROPERTY? SO WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? RIGHT? YOU'RE ASKING FOR IT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, MOVING FORWARD, I, I, I DON'T LIKE THE, THE, UH, THE DESIGN, BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE DESIGN TODAY BECAUSE IT COULD BE, IT'S JUST A PLACEHOLDER. THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT. UH, AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT, UH, JUST THE HEIGHTS. SO JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR. AND UM, I THINK IT WAS COUNCILOR DUNN DID YOU SAY ABOUT PUBLIC OUTREACH OR, OR BRIAN PUBLIC OUTREACH, JUST TO MY RIGHT. WHEN YOU GO TO THE PUBLIC, AND I TOTALLY AGREE, THAT'S THE BIGGEST SELL FOR YOU, HAVE A DESIGN, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A, A LINE DRAWING. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACT SHOW THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT BECAUSE THAT WILL SELL IT. WE HAD ANOTHER PROJECT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WHERE THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T REALLY DO A GOOD DESIGN REVIEW 'CAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE TO AT THE TIME. THAT WAS HIS, HIS, UH, A COMMENT TO ME, I'M NOT, I DON'T NEED TO. BUT WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, REALLY, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T WANT IT AMONG OTHER REASONS AS WELL. SO I'M JUST GIVING YOU SOME ADVICE TO ME. UH, ARE WE GONNA GO WITH THE MOTION, BRIAN? OH, THERE YOU GO AGAIN. SEE THAT IT'S STILL EARLY, MAYOR. IT'S STILL EARLY. I KNOW, I KNOW PETER. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO TWO THINGS. FIRST, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT THAT IT'S NOT MY MONEY GOING INTO THIS PROJECT AND I DON'T WANNA PRESUPPOSE 10 OR 30 YEARS ON ANYTHING. I WANT YOU GUYS TO WORK IT OUT. AND I WANT THE PROJECT TO WORK AND TO WORK OVER THE LONG TERM. AND MR. MAHER, I'VE HEARD FROM YOU TONIGHT AND I, YOU KNOW, I TRUST YOUR INTENT TONIGHT AND I KNOW THAT YOU WANNA MAKE THE PROJECT WORK IN THE LONG TERM AND I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT COMES BACK, BUT I'M NOT GONNA PRESUPPOSE 10 OR 30 YEARS ON ANYTHING. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR. I'M WILLING, I HAVE, I WANT THE DIGIT TO WORK AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TERMS IN THE DIGIT NEED TO BE YET, BUT I WANT SI WANT SOME IDEAS AND I WANT A CONVERSATION TO HAPPEN ABOUT THAT. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, MAYOR, IF THAT'S OKAY, IS TO HAVE KATHY RE READ THAT LANGUAGE AGAIN, AND THEN I'D LIKE TO CHECK IN WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY. I'D LIKE TO CHECK IN WITH OUR COM DEV STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY THINK THE DOOR IS OPEN. AND MS. MAR, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU ABOUT WHETHER YOU'RE STILL ENTHUSED ABOUT EN ENTERING INTO THIS NEGOTIATION BASED ON THAT LANGUAGE THAT YOU HEAR, IF WE VOTE ON A MOTION ABOUT IT. SO IF THAT'S OKAY, KATHY, I'D LIKE YOU TO READ THAT LANGUAGE AGAIN. YEAH. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY WITH ME. AND I WAS GONNA DO THE EXACT SAME THING. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THE LANGUAGE THAT I HAVE IS, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT COUNCIL DIRECT THAT THE BCT PROPOSAL FOR DEVELOPMENT AT 60 GOOD ROW LANE BE REVIEWED BY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING AND ZONING FOR DESIGN AND REZONING RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE EXCEPTIONS TO HEIGHT AND SETBACKS WILL BE, WILL BE REQUESTED. KURT, IT'S, UH, IT'S A LEGALLY SUFFICIENT MOTION. WOULD YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING OR DETRACT FROM IT? UH, THE, I MEAN, I'M PARSING TO THE MOTION I HAD IN THE PACKET THAT'S BEEN REJECTED. SO, BUT WE'RE NOT AND, AND STAFF STEVE OR CARRIE, DO YOU, DOES THAT OPEN THE DOOR FOR YOU NOW YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE ENTERING INTO A NEGOTIATION IN GOOD FAITH? I THINK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN SOME GOOD DIRECTION FROM YOUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT. UM, AND I THINK THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE CONCERNS IF THE FINAL DESIGN WAS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'VE SEEN TONIGHT. SO, UM, SAY THAT AGAIN. I SAID THAT I FEEL LIKE BASED ON YOUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT, THAT WE HAVE SOME GOOD DIRECTION AND LIKELY WHAT IT WILL MEAN IS THAT WE WILL USE THE NUMBERS THAT ARE IN THE PACKET AS OUR [02:10:01] BASELINE. AND IF IT GOES SIGNIFICANTLY BEYOND THAT, THEN THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE WOULD HAVE SOME, SOME GREATER CONCERNS. SO THE DOOR DIDN'T COME OFF THE HINGES COMPLETELY. I APPRECIATE THAT. MR. MAHER. DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH CONFIDENCE AND WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE YOUR PURSUIT OF THIS PROJECT? YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE THINKING, AND UM, I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY TWO YEARS AGO WITH THIS EXACT PURPOSE. HOWEVER, I'M NOT A DEVELOPER, SO I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT DOING WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. SO WE MADE TIMING MISTAKES ON OUR SIDE. WE MADE PROBABLY ORGANIZATIONAL MISTAKES ON OUR SIDE. I'M SURE THE CITY STAFF WAS TRYING TO HELP US AS WE WENT ALONG, BUT IT DIDN'T NECESSARILY CLICK OR WHATEVER. SO MY, UM, AND, AND UNDERSTAND THAT MY, UM, HISTORY OF PROJECTS LIKE THIS HAVE ALL BEEN WITH THE, UH, STAFF OF THE PORT AUTHORITY OF NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY AND THEIR, THEIR, UH, UM, UH, DIFFERENT, THEY'RE DIFFERENT . THEY CERTAINLY ARE . BUT ANYWAY, NOT TO GO, NOT TO DIVERGE TOO FAR. I WOULD ONLY ASK THAT THE, UH, COUNCIL GIVE PUT ONE WORD IN THE, UM, PROPOSAL THAT YOU'RE MAKING THERE. AND THAT IS THAT THE CITY STAFF WORK WITH US TO EXPEDITE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN DO THE WORK WE NEED TO DO. AND AS QUICKLY AS THEY CAN DO THE WORK THAT THEY CAN DO TO MOVE THIS PROJECT TO WHERE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE IT. I AM GROWING TIRED OF IT. ALRIGHT. AND I DON'T BLAME ANYBODY EXCEPT MYSELF. SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I WOULD ASK IN RESPONSE TO THAT. SINCE I HAVE THE LANGUAGE I'D LIKE TO ASK CARRIE IF SHE HAS ANY OBJECTION TO THE WORD EXPEDITIOUSLY BE PUT INTO THE, YOU HAVE A VERY TIGHT, A VERY HEAVY WORKLOAD AND I DON'T WANT THIS TO, SO BY PUTTING THAT, HAVE YOU FEEL PRESSURED TO BUMP ANOTHER PROJECT? WELL THAT'S MY CONCERN. YOU ARE WORKING ON THAT'S, AND THAT IS MY CONCERN, SO THAT'S WHY I'M DIRECTING YOU QUESTION TO CARRY. SO OUR IN GENERAL HOUSING PROJECTS ALREADY, UM, KIND OF FLOAT TO THE TOP. UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I WOULD NEED TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHEN THEY THINK THEY COULD GET A, UM, FORMAL APPLICATION IN, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY ON. AND, UM, YEAH, LIKE I SAID, HOUSING PROJECTS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THE REVIEW AND, AND LOOKING AT THE HEIGHTS, SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT AND IT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DELAY ON FOR ANY REASON. WOULD THE LANGUAGE, UM, IN A TIMELY MANNER BE MORE COMFORTABLE? WHAT WHATEVER WE, WE WILL PROCESS IT. OKAY. I'LL PUT THAT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. STEVE WOULD IN, IN A TIMELY MANNER BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU, RIGHT? I I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM STEVE BEING HE'S THE DIRECTOR. YES. THIS IS, UM, A FOCUS FOR THE CITY. IT'S A FOCUS FOR US. OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA EXPEDITE WHERE WE CAN. PUTTING WORDS OF EXPEDITING IN THERE THOUGH MEANS SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO EVERYBODY. RIGHT. WHAT WE WILL SAY IS, AS CARRIE SAID, HOUSING PROJECTS SUCH AS THIS ALREADY COME TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF REVIEW. UM, WE UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED TONIGHT. WE UNDERSTAND BASEL AND MIMI'S POSITION. UH, WE WANT TO FIND A WAY TO WORK, UH, TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. SO WORDING OF EXPEDITING, I DON'T WANT TO REALLY GET INTO THAT. UM, BUT OUR FOCUS IS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN, UH, TRY TO GET SOMETHING DONE HERE. THAT'S FINE. I DON'T NEED THE LANGUAGE. OKAY. OKAY THEN. THANK YOU. OKAY. WHEN YOU'RE READY. I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION, MAYOR. OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? YES. OH, CA CASTA KINSELLA. I WOULD THANK YOU. UM, I MOVE THAT COUNCIL DIRECT THAT THE BCT PROPOSAL FOR DEVELOPMENT AT 60 GOODROW LANE BE REVIEWED BY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING AND ZONING FOR DESIGN AND REZONING RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT EXCEPTIONS TO HEIGHT AND SETBACKS WILL BE REQUESTED. SECOND. OKAY. DISCUSSION. DID YOU SECOND IT? YEP. THAT GUY PETE OVER THERE, HE DID IT. UH, VICE MAYOR, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO SAY? OKAY. UH, COUNCILLOR [02:15:01] WILLIAMSON, DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO MAKE BEFORE WE GO TO A VOTE? NO, I DIDN'T. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. ANY, ANY OPPOSED? WE ARE UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AGAIN VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A, A, UH, 20 MINUTE BREAK. WE'LL BE BACK AT 7 0 5 IN ONE DAY. OKAY, FOLKS, FOUR HOURS, THREE THREE TO FOUR HOURS. [8.b. AB 3085 Discussion/possible action regarding the approval of the Western Gateway Master Plan Contract to Dig Studio, LLC in an amount not to exceed $254,242.00.] ITEM B, AB 30 85, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF THE WESTERN GATEWAY MASTER PLAN CONTRACT TO DIG STUDIOS LLC IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED, UH, 254,000, UH, 2 42 EVEN. AND THIS'LL BE, WHO MIGHT THIS BE? STEVE? UM, HELLO, MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS? YES, I WILL BE, UH, THE PRINCIPAL, UH, ON THIS ONE TONIGHT. UM, I'M OUTTA MY LEAGUE. I UNDERSTAND, BUT, UH, PLEASE BEAR WITH ME. UM, AS YOU SO ELOQUENTLY STATED, MR. MAYOR, UH, WE ARE BRINGING FORTH, UH, THE CONTRACT FOR THE CONSULTANT THAT, UH, BECAME OUR TOP, UH, UH, TOP FIRM THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS FOR THE MASTER PLAN, UH, OF THE WESTERN GATEWAY PROPERTY. UM, THE SCOPE OF THE WORK, UM, WILL INCLUDE, UH, UNDER THEIR CONTRACT WILL INCLUDE PROJECT MANAGEMENT, UH, PUBLIC OUTREACH. UH, THE PUBLIC OUTREACH WILL BE DONE THROUGH THEIR FIRM. THEY HAVE PUBLIC OUTREACH CAPABILITIES. THEY'VE ALSO HIRED A SUBCONTRACTOR, UH, WHO IS, UH, SPECIFICALLY A PUBLIC OUTREACH FIRM. UM, AND, UH, SO WE'LL CREATE, UH, A, A MUCH MORE ROBUST, UH, PUBLIC OUTREACH PROCESS WITH OUR RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, UH, PARTNERS. UM, AND THEY WILL CREATE, UH, THREE ALTERNATIVE CONCEPT PLANS THROUGH THIS ENTIRE PROCESS THAT WILL BE VETTED THROUGH THE PUBLIC AND THEN BROUGHT TO, UH, PNZ AND THEN, UH, FINALLY TO COUNCIL. UM, AND, UH, WE ARE ALSO ADDING, UH, ADDITIONAL OF, UH, SOME PARKING AND TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. UH, 'CAUSE WE FEEL THAT THAT DEFINITELY WILL BE ONE OF THE CONCERNS IN BRINGING ANY TYPES OF USES TO THIS AREA. SO WE WANTED TO ADD THAT TO THE PROCESS AS WELL. UH, WE ARE REQUESTING AN APPROVAL OF ADDITIONAL FUNDS, UH, IN THE AMOUNT OF $149,242. UH, THE FUNDS ARE NEEDED BECAUSE THE ADDITIONAL BUDGET ESTIMATE OF THAT WAS PUT IN THE BUDGET TWO YEARS AGO, UM, WAS BASED UPON A SCOPE THAT WAS MUCH LESS THAN THE SCOPE OF THIS MASTER PLAN, UH, CONTRACT. SO WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS, UH, ABOUT THE RFP PROCESS ITSELF, IAN CAN HANDLE? THEN OF COURSE, UH, CYNTHIA AND I CAN CAN DISCUSS, UH, THE REST. THAT GUY, BRIAN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU STEVE AND CREW. SO, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF QUESTIONS HONESTLY ON THIS, BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO JUST ASK YOU ABOUT IS THE, UH, INFORMATION GATHERING AND ANALYSIS. SO THE PUBLIC INPUT. SO OBVIOUSLY CYNTHIA, WE JUST WENT THROUGH COMMUNITY PLAN FOR TWO PLUS YEARS AND, YOU KNOW, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANYTHING, I, I KNOW THIS ISN'T THE SAME AS THAT PROCESS, BUT THERE'S IS A LOT OF SIMILARITIES. SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE LEARNED OUT OF THIS LAST ITERATION ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD, YOU'RE SITTING THERE GOING, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONTINGENCY THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO DO MORE OF X MORE SURVEY, MORE THIS, MORE THAT. LIKE IS THERE ANY CONCERN YOU HAVE THAT THE, UH, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PROCESS ISN'T ROBUST ENOUGH? KNOWING HOW MUCH THE PUBLIC LIKES TO PARTICIPATE AND WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT WILL BE SIGNIFICANT. EPIC IS A WORD I'VE BEEN QUOTED ON, UH, RECENTLY. SO THOUGH I WOULD EXPECT THERE WILL BE EPIC LEVEL OF INTEREST IN THIS, UH, ENGAGEMENT. SO ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? IF I COULD START OFF FIRST. UM, THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY, UM, UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR [02:20:01] THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS AND, AND FOR A, A LARGER SCOPE, UM, THAT, UH, WE HAD LEARNED FROM THE, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN PROCESS, UH, WHERE WE HAD THREE MAIN PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS THROUGH THE TWO YEAR PROCESS. UH, HERE WE'RE HAVING THREE IN A ONE YEAR PROCESS. UM, WE ARE, UH, KEEPING UP WITH THE SAME THEME OF HAVING, UH, A, A WEBSITE OF DOING THE SURVEYS. IT'S GONNA BE VERY CLOSE TO THE PROCESS THAT WE HAD FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN, BUT IN A YEAR INSTEAD OF A TWO YEAR PROCESS. OKAY. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THAT OF ONE YEAR AND NOT TWO? UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THE CONCERN IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME, 'CAUSE I THINK WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME TO, UM, TO GET THE PUBLIC INPUT. UM, THE AMOUNT OF INPUT FOR THIS PARCEL, UH, WOULD PROBABLY NOT EQUATE TO THE AMOUNT OF INPUT THAT WE NEEDED FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN. SO, UM, EACH ONE OF THOSE CHAPTERS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY PLAN WAS ITSELF ITS OWN, UH, UH, ANIMALS, IF YOU WILL. SO, UM, I THINK THAT, UH, THIS DOES AND WILL GIVE, UH, MORE THAN ENOUGH, UH, UH, POSSIBILITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT. OKAY. CINDY, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? I WOULD JUST ADD WHERE YOU STARTED OFF COMMENTING ON, UM, THE COMMUNITY PLAN OUTREACH AND HOW THAT MIGHT INFLUENCE THIS. THIS IS ON, YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. UM, SO WHEN WE WERE COLLECTING ALL OF THE PUBLIC INPUT FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN, IT'S ALL IN A DATABASE. AND SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO PULL FROM THAT. FOR EXAMPLE, WE CAN FILTER IT, UM, FOR, WE DID, UM, CATEGORIZE THINGS LIKE, UM, WESTERN GATEWAY COMMENTS, UM, HOUSING COMMENTS, ALL OF THAT. SO THAT WILL STILL BE USEFUL, UM, IN THIS PROCESS. AND WE WILL SHARE ALL OF THAT WITH THE, UM, THE CONSULTANTS AS WELL. OKAY. AND LAST QUESTION. THE ANNUAL RESIDENT BUDGET SURVEY CAN BE UTILIZED TO SERVE MULTIPLE PURPOSES. DO YOU ANTICIPATE GETTING ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS PROJECT INTO THAT SURVEY? 'CAUSE TIMING WISE, THAT'S, IT'S NOT, NOT A BAD TIME FOR BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, RIGHT? HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? UM, NO, BUT I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA. ABSOLUTELY. WE WOULD WANT TO TAKE, UH, AS, AS CYNTHIA JUST SAID, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE, UH, THE INPUT THAT WE'VE HAD FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROCESSES AND, AND ADD, UH, TO OTHERS. SO, UH, WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING THERE, UH, IS, IS A, ANOTHER, ANOTHER PATH FOR THAT INPUT. YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY. COUNCIL DUNN, NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. I THINK YOU'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB. THANK YOU. AND, UH, I SUPPORT THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR A ROBUST PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PROCESS AND FOR THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU, UH, ADDITIONAL TO THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. MY QUESTION IS, I HEAR PEOPLE, AND I'VE TALKED TO ANDY ABOUT THIS, BUT I HEAR PEOPLE COMMENT ALL THE TIME ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO BUILD IN THIS LOCATION. AND SO ARE WE GOING, ARE, DO THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITIES OR TO DO ANY ENGINEERING REVIEWS? 'CAUSE I WASN'T SURE IN THE CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, I READ THE CONTRACT PRETTY THOROUGHLY THERE OR THEIR PROPOSAL AND THEIR STATEMENT OF WORK. DO THEY HAVE THAT CAPABILITY AND ARE THEY PLANNING TO DO THAT? LOOKING AT, IS THAT CONTAINED IN THESE CONDITIONS? SO I SEE CYNTHIA SHAKING HER HEAD YES. AND, UM, MY ONLY RESERVATION TO ANSWERING THAT QUESTION IS WHAT ARE THE ENGINEERING CAPABILITIES THAT ARE IN YOUR MIND? THE, UM, THE CONTRACT IDENTIFIES MANY DIFFERENT, WHAT YOU MIGHT IDENTIFY AS ENGINEERING, UH, UH, THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDED WITH. THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING VIEW SHEDS, THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND TO IDENTIFY WHERE THE BEST USES OF THE TALLER STRUCTURES WOULD BE. THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT, AS WE SAID BEFORE, TRAFFIC, ANOTHER ENGINEERING, UH, ISSUE. THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT TRANSIT, THEY'RE GONNA, SO THIS IS A MUCH BROADER BASE THAN, UH, THE BUBBLE DIAGRAM THAT THE, THE, UH, COSTS WERE ORIGINALLY SET UP FOR. [02:25:01] HMM. THAT'S GOOD. I, I I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL ALSO, BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER, WE HAVE OTHER LAND, YOU KNOW, THAT THE CITY OWNS IN OTHER LOCATIONS. WILL THAT BE AT ALL FACTORED INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, A LOOK AT, AT THAT, NOT AN IN DEPTH BUT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF IT. SO THE CONTRACT DOES NOT GO BEYOND THIS, BUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS HAVE ALREADY BEEN FORWARDED TO, UH, THE FIRM. SO, OKAY. AND YES, THAT WILL BE A PART OF THE DISCUSSION. IT HAS TO BE A PART OF THE DISCUSSION. I THINK SO TOO. SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, ARE YOU STILL WITH US? YES, I AM. AND I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY, COUNCILOR PETE. THANK YOU . I'LL TRY IT EVERY WHICH WAY I CAN. . THANK YOU MAYOR. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FROM ME. UM, IN TASK 5.2, WHICH IS THE P AND Z COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL STUDY SESSIONS, I SEE THAT WE'RE CALLING OUT FOR ONE CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION, WHICH THEN IMPLIES TO ME THAT THIS BODY WILL SEE IT TWICE KIND OF FORMALLY, BUT PLANNING AND ZONING SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT BE ONLY HEADED THERE ONCE. THAT WAS WHAT WAS IN THE PROPOSAL AND, UM, WE DISCUSSED THIS INTERNALLY, UH, THERE, THERE MORE THAN LIKELY WILL BE MORE THAN ONE. UH, THERE ARE CONTINGENCIES FOR ADDITIONAL MEETINGS BUILT INTO THE CONTRACT. THAT 10% ADDITIONAL IS, IS THAT CONTINGENCY. SO YES, WE DO REALIZE THAT, UM, THIS IS GOING TO BE A FLUID THING, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IN THIS CONTRACT WILL NOT SPECIFICALLY BE WHAT PLAYS OUT. UM, SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE SOME AVAILABILITY, UH, MANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FIRM, UH, AND THEIR SUBCONTRACTORS ONCE WE SEE WHICH WAY THINGS ARE GOING, WHAT ADDITIONAL THINGS MIGHT BE NEEDED. SO YES, THERE ARE CONTINGENCIES BUILT IN FOR THAT. THANK YOU. AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE NEED AND THE DESIRE TO SORT OF WORK AROUND THE FLEXIBILITY ON THAT. AND UH, SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD. ANOTHER THING THAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE WERE DOING ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN AT PNZ ANYHOW WAS A REGULAR STATUSING DURING THE MEETING. SO IT CAN BE WHETHER IT'S GOTTA BE A SEPARATELY AGENDIZED ITEM OR HERE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD COME UNDER OUR SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS, WHATEVER, BUT I SUGGEST THAT THAT MIGHT BE A, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT EVERY MEETING, MAYBE IT'S ONCE A MONTH OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS LOOKS RIGHT WHEN THERE'S ENOUGH DATA, BUT I, I THINK THAT INFORMATION FLOW WOULD BE A USEFUL THING FOR THIS, THIS BODY TO HEAR MORE FREQUENTLY THAN, THAN JUST THE TWO MEETINGS. I THINK THAT, I THINK TWO MEETINGS A WORK SESSION AND THE FINAL PRESENTATION IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT AMOUNT FOR THIS BODY, BUT UPDATES, UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE COMMUNICATION. WE SAID THAT IT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, I THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA USE OUR WEBSITE FOR THE COMMUNICATION TOOL. WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE PLANNED SEDONA SEPARATE UL UH, YOU KNOW, IS IT GONNA BE ON OUR SITE AND HOW ARE WE GONNA MAKE THAT EASY TO FIND FOR OUR RESIDENTS? SO WE DID TALK TO THE CONSULTANT ABOUT THAT AND UH, BASICALLY WE KIND OF MUTUALLY AGREED THAT IT WOULD BE BEST TO CONTINUE USING THE CONVEO SOFTWARE, WHICH IS THE PLAN SEDONA.COM. UM, AND THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS ARE FAMILIAR WITH HOW THAT WORKS. UM, AND WE HAVE THE SOFTWARE SO WE MIGHT AS WELL USE IT. RIGHT, RIGHT. AS LONG AS, YOU KNOW, WE DO HIGHLIGHT SOMEWHERE ON THE HOMEPAGE THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE WESTERN GATEWAY STUFF, IT'S USE THIS LINK AND WE REALLY LET PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO FIND IT. ABSOLUTELY. AND, AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN PROCESS. YEP. AND THEN MY FINAL QUESTION HERE, IS THE END RESULT OF THIS THING, IS THIS GONNA BE ONE BIG PROJECT? IS IT GONNA BE PHASED? IS IT GONNA BE PARCELED OUT IN SORT OF MULTIPLE LITTLER PROJECTS? IS THAT PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WILL ANSWER THROUGH THE PLAN? SO, UM, I, I HAVE TO KIND OF CLARIFY, UM, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THERE. UH, ARE YOU GOING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THINGS OR, OKAY, SO NO, THIS IS, UH, AND, AND AGAIN, PART OF THE, UM, UH, THE LARGER SCOPE IS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE, UH, MORE TANGIBLE THINGS TO SHOW TO THE PUBLIC TO COUNCIL. UM, UH, OTHER THAN THIS BUBBLE DIAGRAM, WE ARE LOOKING AT, UH, DEVELOPMENT [02:30:01] GUIDELINES, UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT IMPLEMENTATION PLANS, BUT NO, UH, THIS ISN'T PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, ALTHOUGH WE HOPE THAT IT WILL BE ROBUST ENOUGH THAT IT WILL BE MUCH EASIER FOR DEVELOPMENTS, I'M SORRY, DEVELOPERS TO USE THIS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PHASE. THE OTHER THING THAT'S GONNA BE LOOKED AT THIS, A PART OF THIS IS A PHASING PLAN. ONCE WE GET TO A CERTAIN POINT WITHIN OUR THREE PLANS OF, UH, UNDERSTANDING WHAT USES, UH, THE PUBLIC IS LOOKING FOR AND, AND WHAT FITS INTO THE CFA AND WHAT FITS ALL THAT, UM, THEY'RE ALSO GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE BEST WAY TO PHASE DEVELOPMENT DOWN THE ROAD. SO AGAIN, THE REASON FOR THE ADDITIONAL FEES IS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE GAINING A WHOLE LOT BETTER PRODUCT, UM, THAT WILL HOPEFULLY HELP US THEN, UH, HAVE A MUCH EASIER TIME IN THE DEVELOPMENT PHASE. RIGHT. SO JUST TO DRILL DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT DEEPER ON THAT, IN THAT DEVELOPMENT PHASE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER THAT YOU, THAT YOU GAVE ME AND, AND, AND THAT'S CLEAR. I'M TRYING TO FISH OUT WHETHER IN THE END WHEN WE GET TO A DEVELOPMENT PHASE, IS IT GONNA BE ONE RFP TO BUILD ALL THE CANDY AND GOOD THINGS WE PUT IN THE PROJECT? GOTCHA. I'M SORRY THAT MIGHT NEVER MOVE BECAUSE IT'S THIS HUGE BIG THING. YES. UM, I THINK WE CAN'T TELL THAT AT THIS POINT. YEAH. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE, UH, F FLATTERED OUT IN THE PROCESS. I DON'T THAT THE RIGHT WORD IN THE PROCESS. YES. UM, AND IT MAY EVEN BE THAT IN THE END, UH, WE GET A DEVELOPER WHO SAYS, HEY, I CAN DO ALL THAT. RIGHT. UH, IT MIGHT ALSO BE THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE PHASE OF IT, UM, IT MIGHT BE BEST TO START. SO AGAIN, WE DON'T, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT AT THIS POINT. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. BRIAN, YOU HAD A FOLLOW UP? UM, WELL, NO, I'M HAPPY TO LET EVERYBODY ELSE GO FIRST AND THEN ASK MY OTHER QUESTION. THANK YOU. OKAY. KATHY, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. , I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS EITHER. RIGHT BACK TO YOU THERE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, ACTUALLY IT IS KIND OF A TAG ON TO COUNSELOR PETE. AND FROM A DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE, THERE HAS BEEN SOME INTEREST EXPRESSED AROUND PUBLIC FACILITIES BEING PART OF THE FUTURE WESTERN GATEWAY. IF ONE OF THOSE WERE TO BE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT COST $25 MILLION TO BUILD OR $50 MILLION TO BUILD, ARE WE GOING TO GET THAT PERSPECTIVE AS PART OF THE THREE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA WIND UP LOOKING AT? LIKE, ARE WE GOING TO LIKE, LIKE I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY COST TO DO SOME OF THIS STUFF BECAUSE SOME OF IT MIGHT BE BORNE BY THE CITY AS OPPOSED TO PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT? SO DO YOU ANTICIPATE WE WOULD GET BALLPARK FIGURES ON WHAT IT WOULD COST TO DO CERTAIN GRANDIOSE THINGS WITH THIS LAND? AGAIN, THIS IS A SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON SPECTRUM. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, UM, BECAUSE WE MAY NOT BE COMING UP WITH A PLAN THAT SAYS WE NEED THIS SPECIFIC BUILDING AND USE OF THIS TYPE HERE, IT MIGHT BE MORE GENERAL OF THE TYPE OF USE. SO YEAH, I'M, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GET, BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THOSE COSTS MIGHT BE, BUT GOING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT PHASE, THEN THAT MIGHT CHANGE SLIGHTLY. SO WILL WE GET ABSOLUTE NUMBERS? PROBABLY NOT. UM, WILL WE GET BALLPARK NUMBERS? YEAH, UH, YEAH, I WOULD ASSUME SO THAT, THAT WE WILL KNOW, UH, AT, AT THAT POINT WHAT THOSE USES, THOSE PROPOSED USES ARE AND WE CAN DO AN ANALYSIS BASED UPON THAT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. I WOULD ADD JUST REAL QUICK TO THAT, UM, IS PART OF WHAT WE HOPE TO GET OUT OF THIS, UM, THE PHASING PLAN AND IMPLEMENTATION RECOMMENDATIONS IS THAT CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THE PUBLIC FACILITIES, WHETHER IT'S A PARK OR THE MAYBE THE STREETS, UM, SOME OF THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE BUILT BY A DEVELOPER AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND OR THE CITY MIGHT PAY FOR PORTIONS OF IT. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO GET OUT OF THE MASTER PLAN. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY. ANY FOLLOW UP COMMENTS? JESSICA, DO YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP BEFORE WE GO FOR A MOTION? NO FOLLOW UP. THANK YOU. GO FOR A MOTION. OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. [02:35:01] PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT WITH DIG STUDIO INC. FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS, CULMINATING IN A FINAL MASTER PLAN FOR THE WESTERN GATEWAY PROPERTY IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $254,242 AND 0 CENTS. SECOND SUB SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A WRITTEN CONTRACT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $149,242 TO SUPPORT THE CONTRACT AMOUNT. SECOND . ALRIGHT, UH, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. A OKAY. ANY OPPOSED? WE ARE UNANIMOUS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, STEVE. IS IT DONE YET? I'M SORRY, IT'S NOT DONE YET, HUH? HURRY. UM, TOMORROW. OKAY. OKAY, ITEM C, [8.c. AB 3063 Discussion/possible action regarding the award of a Construction Contract for the Dry Creek Road Realignment to the contractor HT4, in an amount not to exceed $397,114.] AB 30 63. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE AWARD OF, OF A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR THE DRY CREEK ROAD REALIGNMENT TO THE CONTRACTOR HT FOUR IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $397,000. AND FOUR, UH, I'M SORRY, 3 9 7 1 4 4 EVEN. AND SANDY, HI SANDY. GOOD EVENING MAYOR. WAIT TO COME UP HERE. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE THAT HALINA FOR ME GUYS? SOON? HOW SOON? VERY, VERY SOON. UH, SANDY PHILLIPS PUBLIC WORKS. UM, GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS AND MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR. UM, TODAY, THIS EVENING, WHAT WE'RE BRINGING BEFORE YOU, UM, UNFORTUNATELY I'M BY MYSELF, MY PROJECT MANAGER COULDN'T MAKE IT. TONIGHT IS THE, UM, CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR WHAT WE'RE CALLING A PINCH POINT ON DRY CREEK ROAD. UM, THERE'S AN AREA ON DRY CREEK ROAD WHERE WE GO THROUGH NATIONAL FOREST AND, AND DRY CREEK DOES A SHARP BEND AND ON THE INSIDE OF THAT BEND IS A SIGNIFICANT DROP. IT'S ABOUT 30 FEET. AND SO, UM, AS YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS DO A SHARED USE PATH THAT GOES FROM 89 A ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CITY LIMITS. AND SO, UM, WHAT THIS IS DOING IS, IS IT'S TAKING CARE OF, UM, THIS PINCH POINT AND MOVING IT OVER. SO WE'VE GOT ROOM FOR, TO CONTINUE THAT SHARED USE PATH THAT WE DID, UM, ABOUT TO NORTH SLOPE. SO SHE HAS A VIDEO I'M TRYING TO GET UP AND WE CAN GO PAST IT 'CAUSE I, I SHOWED IT A BIT AGO, BUT IT'S, IT GIVES YOU A REALLY GOOD IDEA. WE SHORTENED IT SO IT JUST SHOWS THE, THE AREA. UM, AND, UM, SO PART OF WHAT THIS PROJECT IS DOING IS WE'RE STAYING WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. WE DON'T REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL EASEMENTS. UM, I'VE MET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ON THE WEST. UM, WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING A WOOD FENCE UP FOR THEM TO HELP WITH THEIR PRIVACY A LITTLE BIT AS WE EXTEND THE SHARED USE PATH DOWN THAT AREA. AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE PROPERTY ON THE EAST AND HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM THEM. UM, SO, UM, I CONTINUE TO DO THE PUBLIC OUTREACH FOR THIS AS WELL, BUT ALSO INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT. AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON DRY CREEK FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND SO THERE IT GOES. SO THERE'S AN ONGOING EMAIL LIST THAT WE CONTINUE TO PUT, UM, UPDATES ON. OOPS. SO, UM, EVERYONE'S BEING, UM, BROUGHT UP TO SPEED ON WHAT'S GOING ON ON THIS PROJECT. THAT'S OKAY. JUST, WE'LL JUST DO THE POWERPOINT, SEE AS SOON AS WE GIVE UP THEN IT COMES BACK UP. , THERE IT GOES. SO WE'RE STARTING ON THE NORTH END AND WE'RE HEADED SOUTH. SO THE AREA WHERE THE BEND IS IS COMING UP SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS AN AREA WHERE THAT'S WHERE THE PROJECT, THE EXISTING SHARED USE PATH ENDED. SO WE'RE GONNA EXTEND, ULTIMATELY NOT PART OF THIS CONTRACT IS IT'LL EXTEND ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT UM, COMING UP YOU'LL SEE UH, VEHICLES, CURVES LIKE THIS WILL SLOW VEHICLES DOWN. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE GET A COMMENT A LOT ABOUT IS THE SPEEDS ON DRY CREEK. SO WE'VE PUT UP TWO OF THOSE, UH, SPEED TABLES AND THEY'VE BEEN EFFECTIVE AND WE'VE HAD NO COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS. HERE'S THE TRUCK THAT'S GOING ACROSS THE LINE AND UM, SO WE'RE THE, SO WE'RE PUSHING THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT OUT. IT'S NOT CENTERED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY RIGHT NOW, SO [02:40:01] WE'RE PUSHING A LITTLE OUT, TIGHTENING THE CURVE. SO HOPEFULLY THAT'LL HELP WITH SLOWING SOME VEHICLES DOWN. WE DO HAVE A CYCLIST, THIS IS A, A GREAT ROUTE. AND UM, THERE WE GO. AND YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE'S KIND OF CLOSE, BUT UM, HERE WE GO. SO WE PUT THIS PROJECT OUT TO BID. UM, WE USED BONFIRE WITH THE HELP OF IAN AND UM, WE HAD TWO CONTRACTORS ATTEND THE PRE-BID, BUT ONLY ONE SUBMITTED A BID. I'VE DONE RESEARCH ON, WE'VE DONE RESEARCH ON THEIR HISTORY AND I'VE CHECKED ON THE REFERENCES, UH, UM, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, UM, SMALL CONTRACTOR. I BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO DO A GREAT JOB. GO AHEAD. YEP, GO AHEAD AND JUST CLICK THROUGH. YEAH, THANK YOU. SO I JUST WANTED TO SHOW A CO COUPLE QUICK PHOTOS OF THE AREA. UM, THIS IS PART OF OUR GO PLAN AND A LIST OF ALL THE SHARED USE PATHS. AGAIN, THIS IS CONTINUING WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE AND UM, THIS SHOWS THE CROSS SECTION AND THE LIMITS OF THE PROJECT. SO IT'S 760 LINEAR FEET. UM, WE ENGINEER'S OPINION OF COST WAS ONLY 50,000 LESS THAN THE CONTRACT THAT WE RECEIVED. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE COST THAT WE GOT ON THIS PROJECT. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS. BRIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. HI SANDY. HI. UH, WHAT'S THE ANTICIPATED LENGTH OF THE PROJECT? 760 FEET, SORRY. TIME LENGTH OF THE PROJECTS? , UM, WE'RE GIVEN 'EM UM, THREE MONTHS I BELIEVE. THREE TO FOUR MONTHS. UM, AND WE ANTICIPATE MAINTAINING AN OPEN LANE SO THERE'S ACCESS AT ALL TIMES TO GET BY HERE. SINCE WE'RE IN THE HOT SEASON AND LOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE OUT OF THERE BEFORE WE GET TO OCTOBER, NOVEMBER WHEN WE GET ANOTHER SPIKE OF VISITATION. SO YOU ANTICIPATE A START DATE LITERALLY WITHIN WEEKS? YES, I TALKED, I CONFIRMED THAT WITH A CONTRACTOR IF, IF APPROVED THIS EVENING. OKAY, GREAT. AND YOU ALREADY ANSWERED MY SECOND QUESTION, SO THANK YOU. THANKS. THANK YOU MAYOR. COUNCIL DUNN, NO QUESTIONS VICE MAYOR. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. WHAT YOU GONNA HAVE TO CLOSE ONE LANE? YOU KNOW, SO THERE'LL ONLY BE ONE LANE OF, FOR THE ENTIRE TIME THAT THE CONSTRUCTION IS UNDERWAY. WELL TO, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA RIP UP THE ROAD AND THEN HAVE TO REPAVE IT. SO WE'LL DO ONE LANE AT A TIME AND MAKE SURE THERE'S ALWAYS ACCESS. SO THERE'LL ALWAYS BE ONE LANE, SO WE'RE NEVER GONNA SHUT IT DOWN COMPLETELY. UM, THERE MAY BE MOMENTS OR SMALL WINDOWS WHEN THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING FOR SAFETY THAT WE DO THAT, BUT IT WON'T BE FOR A LONG PERIOD. GREAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, MAYOR. OKAY. THANK YOU JESSICA. JESSICA, ANY QUESTIONS? NOT RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. OKAY, PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. I'M REALLY GLAD SANDY, THANK YOU FOR SHOWING THAT VIDEO. 'CAUSE IT, IT DIDN'T, THAT WAS NOT ME, , IN THAT VIDEO, BUT, UH, INCIDENT DID HAPPEN TO ME HEADED SOUTH AT THAT EXACT POINT WHEN I WAS ON MY ROAD BIKE AND ROAD BIKES ARE ALLOWED TO OCCUPY THE ROAD. MM-HMM. . AND, AND WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT AT THAT EXACT CURVE, ONE OF OUR BALLOON COMPANIES WITH THE TRUCK AND THE TRAILER COMING AROUND THAT CURVE AND OF COURSE THE TRAILER BEHIND IT DOESN'T IT, IT TRACKED OVER INTO THE BIKE LANE AND IT WAS VERY CLOSE. UM, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE BALLOON COMPANY AND, AND THEY WENT BACK AND TALKED TO ALL THEIR DRIVERS AND I THINK THEY'RE DOING A LITTLE BIT BETTER JOB. BUT THAT'S EXACTLY THE THING. WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS CURVE SHARPER, WHICH WILL SLOW SOME PEOPLE DOWN AND OTHER PEOPLE IT WILL BE A NICE CHALLENGE AND OFTENTIMES FOLKS LIKE TO FIND THE SHORTEST PATH AROUND THE CURVE KIND OF THING. SO I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT. WE MIGHT ACTUALLY MAKE WORSE OF CYCLING SAFETY ISSUE. AND I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT EXPECTING OUR COMPLETE STREETS IDEA THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN TO BE IMPLEMENTED HERE, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO SORT OF GIVE CYCLISTS A BETTER SENSE OF SAFETY WHILE WE DO THIS REALIGNMENT PROJECT? SO WE ARE LOOKING AND I KNOW THAT HELPING OUT WITH LIKE A RAISED PAVEMENT MARKERS ON THE CENTER LINE, IT DOES NOT HELP CYCLISTS BUT UM, WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK INTO IT TO HELP. UM, WHEN I SAID THAT WE'RE SHARPENING IT, WE'RE SHARPENING IT JUST A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE WE'RE PUSHING IT OUT A LITTLE BIT. IT'S [02:45:01] THE CURVE STILL MEETS THE DESIGN CRITERIA FOR ALL THE AASHTO AND, AND FHWA AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO, UM, AND WHEN WE PUT THE SHARED USE PATH, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF ROAD BIKES DON'T LIKE TO GO ON THE SHARED USE PATH 'CAUSE OF THE DG EVEN THOUGH IT'S STABILIZED. UM, WE WILL LOOK AT IF WE CAN GET A BETTER SHOULDER SO THAT THE BIKES THROUGH THIS PINCH AREA HAVE A BETTER AREA. UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IN THIS CROSS SECTION IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE, BUT THE TOTAL WIDTH OF THE LANE IS 14 AND A HALF FEET AND SO, YOU KNOW, 11 FEET IS OKAY. SO THAT WOULD MOVE THAT WHITE STRIPE IN SOME. SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT THOUGH AND APPRECIATE YOUR, I'M GLAD YOU'RE SAFE . ME TOO. OTHERWISE IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT. OTHERWISE MAYOR WOULDN'T HAVE ANYONE TO CONFUSE NAMES WITH IF I WAS NOT . OH, THAT'S VERY TRUE. BUT I DO, SANDY, I WOULD APPRECIATE, I'M SURE ALL OF MY CYCLING BUDDIES AND, AND THE VISITORS IN TOWN THAT RIDE HERE AS WELL. YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE MOVING A ROAD AND REALIGNING ANYTHING WE CAN DO EVEN IN A SHORT SECTION LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A DANGEROUS SECTION TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SHOULDER WIDTH OR MM-HMM. SOMETHING WILL BE BENEFICIAL. OKAY. THINK THAT KATHY, NO QUESTIONS. YEAH, I, I WOULD JUST, I SUPPORT THIS OF COURSE, BUT I WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING IT A HARDER TURN. MM-HMM. AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHTS BEHIND IT. UH, IT CAN, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED ME, BUT I'M SURE YOU, BECAUSE YOU ARE AN ACTUAL ENGINEER, I TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT AND I YOU MUST BE DOING THE RIGHT THING. YEAH, AND IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE SUPER ELEVATED TOO, SO IT, IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT BANKED BUT IT'S OH, OKAY. IT'S NOT, UM, BUT WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO SPEED THROUGH THERE. I MEAN THAT PART OF IT IS, IS TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN, SO, BUT YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE THAT SMALL PERCENTAGE, SO UNFORTUNATELY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE IN THE, FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT, DO YOU HAVE ANY COURTS? NO OPEN, OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. UH, ANY FINAL COMMENTS? OKAY, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION VICE MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE AWARD OF THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH HT FOUR FOR THE DRY CREEK ROAD REALIGNMENT PROJECT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 397,000 1 1 4 SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE WRITTEN CONTRACT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SECOND. EXCUSE ME. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? WE UNANIMOUS? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS SANDY. ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU. OKAY, ITEM [8.d. AB 3090 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of a Contract Change Order #9 with Fann Contracting, Inc. for the Forest Road Connection and Uptown Parking Garage Projects in an amount not-to-exceed $3,803,893.23 .] D, AB 30 90 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF A CONTRACT CHANGE ORDER NUMBER NINE WITH FAN, UH, CONTRACTING INC FOR THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION AND UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE PROJECTS IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED, UH, 3 MILLION 7 7 7 9 50. THAT WOULD BE FOREST ROAD, CORRECT? BOB, WHO'S GONNA START OUT IN, BUT IS IT THAT ONE? NO, THAT'S IT. THERE YOU GO. WELL, GOOD EVENING MAYOR. UH, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS. UH, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS BOB WELCH. I'M AN ASSOCIATE CITY ENGINEER FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT ON AB 30 90, WHICH IS A CHANGE ORDER TO OUR FOREST ROAD CONTRACT, UH, WHICH PERTAINS ALSO TO SITE EXCAVATION OF THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE, UH, SITE. UH, SPECIFICALLY, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A CHANGE ORDER TO THE FAN CONTRACT IN THE AMOUNT OF ROUGHLY $3.8 MILLION. THIS CONTRACT IS BEING PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE IT EXCEEDS 10% OF THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT VALUE [02:50:01] FOR THE PROJECT. BEFORE I, UH, JUMP INTO SOME OF THE ASPECTS OF THE, UM, CONTRACT AMENDMENT ITSELF, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE YOU ON A LITTLE, UM, TOUR, UH, BRAGGADOCIO TOUR OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THE FOREST ROAD PROJECT. I'LL CALL IT YOUR PROJECT. UH, WE'VE CON COMPLETED QUITE A BIT. GO AHEAD AND MOVE THAT DOWN. UH, WE CURRENTLY, UH, ON OUR CONSTRUCTION, WE STAND ROUGHLY 65% COMPLETE. I KNOW SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOING SLOWER. IT DOES SEEM LIKE WE'RE GOING SLOW TO ME, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF DIRT THAT'S BEING MOVED FROM THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND THERE IS A LOT OF WORK THAT IS, UH, GOING, GOING ON WITH THIS SITE. EARTHWORK IS 95% COMPLETE, THE EXTENSION OF SANITARY SEWERS IS 65% COMPLETE. WE RECENTLY COMPLETED THE SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION WITHIN 89 A FROM ROUGHLY THE POST OFFICE UP TO THE NEW INTERSECTION OF FOREST ROAD AND IT IS NOW PROCEEDING UP INTO THE NEW CORRIDOR OF FOREST ROAD. UM, WE'VE COMPLETED, UH, NEARLY ALL OF THE RETAINING WALLS, ROUGHLY 70% COMPLETE RETAINING WALL ONE, UM, HAS BEEN CHANGED FROM A CONCRETE RETAINING WALL TO AN IN LIEU CON OR ROCK FACE. SO THE EXCAVATION FOR RETAINING WALL ONE ACTUALLY PROVED THAT WE HAD A SOLID ROCK FACE AND UH, WHICH WOULD SUPPORT THAT FILL BEHIND THERE. AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE SOME MONEY AND CUT OUT THE COST FOR A RETAINING WALL OR RETAINING WALL ONE. UM, SO WE'RE CURRENTLY INVOLVED IN RETAINING WALL THREE. UH, THERE'S A PICTURE UP THERE FOR YOU. UH, THOSE ARE TWO CRANES AND THEY ARE SETTING A VERY LARGE PORT THAT HAPPENED A COUPLE WEEKS BACK AND, UM, WE ARE NEARLY COMPLETE WITH THAT RETAINING WALL THREE THAT HAPPENS TO BE OCCURRING ALONG THE FOREST ROW CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION TENNIS COURTS. SO, UH, SOME OF THE UPCOMING WORK WE'VE GOT, WE ARE MOVING INTO THE UTILITY EXTENSIONS AS WELL AS SOME OF THE SOIL NAILING AND THE ROADWAY CORRIDOR DEVELOPMENT. SO DELVING INTO, UH, THE DISCUSSION ON THE CHANGE ORDER, I, UH, WOULD LIKE TO START OUT BY REMINDING YOU THAT A COMPONENT OF THE WORK HEREIN IS A PART OF THE PREVIOUS DIS DISCUSSION WE HAD BACK IN MAY 14TH ON AGENDA BILL 30 57. YOU MIGHT BE REMINDED THAT AT THAT, UH, THAT AGENDA BILL WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CMAR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT. IN THAT, UH, AGENDA BILL, WE IDENTIFIED THE VALUE OF THE CMAR CONTRACT AS WELL AS A, UH, SEPARATE CONTRACT THAT THE CITY WILL CONDUCT WORK OUTSIDE OF THAT CONTRACT. AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS ROUGHLY $5.13 MILLION. SO BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, THIS CHANGE ORDER IS ACTUALLY A COMPONENT OF THAT WORK, SPECIFICALLY THE SITE EXCAVATION FOR THE PARKING GARAGE. GOING QUICKLY, UH, THROUGH THAT, THE, UH, GO AHEAD AND CHANGE THAT. THERE ARE BASICALLY THREE, THREE COMPONENTS TO THE WORK. IT'S THE EARTH WORK, WHICH INVOLVES THE EXCAVATION, THE HAUL OFF THE, OF THE EXCESS MATERIAL. IT'S ROUGHLY 22,000 YARDS. UH, THE SECOND COMPONENT WAS A VALUE ENGINEERING COMPONENT THAT WAS, UH, MENTIONED IN THE, UH, CONTRACTOR'S CHANGE ORDER THAT HAPPENED TO BE A VALUE ENGINEERING JUDGMENT MADE BY THE CMAR TEAM. AND, UH, IS IS REPRESENT, UH, UH, AN EXCAVATION THAT IS NON SLOPING AND WE'RE BRINGING THE, THAT EXCAVATION VOLUME DOWN BY MAKING THAT SLOPE OR THAT CUT VERTICAL AND UTILIZING A SOIL OR SOIL STABILIZATION METHOD USING SOIL NAILS. UM, THAT, UM, IS THE THIRD COMPONENT. THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS, UH, PRESENTED BY THE CONTRACTOR, UH, IN THAT, UH, SCOPE OF WORK AND THOSE AMOUNTED TO ROUGHLY I THINK $289,000. REAL BRIEFLY, UM, UP ON THE BOARD THERE'S A PICTURE TO THE LEFT THAT SHOWS THE MORE OR LESS THE PLAN VIEW OF THE PARKING GARAGE SITE ITSELF. THE SOIL STABILIZATION, UH, AND TEMPORARY, UH, TEMPORARY REVAMP USING SOIL MILLING WILL OCCUR ALONG THE NORTH OR BACK EDGE AS WELL AS THE TWO SIDES THAT'S CURRENTLY PLANNED. SOIL NAILING IS A TECHNIQUE THAT BASICALLY UNIFIES OR, OR CREATES A, UH, GRAVITY TYPE, UH, SOIL MATRIX, UM, BINDING THE, BINDING THE SOIL TOGETHER TO CREATE KIND OF A, A GRAVITY WALL WHERE WHEREIN THE, UH, UM, THE WALL, THE SOIL ITSELF ACTS AS A RETAINING TYPE STRUCTURE. MOVING ON, GOING OVER THE COST. UH, [02:55:01] REAL QUICKLY, THE EXCAVATION, THE HAUL OFF ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, CONTRACT AMENDMENT REPRESENTS 2.7 MILLION. THE TEMPORARY SHORING OR SOIL MILLING REPRESENTS ROUGHLY 0.7 MILLION. AND THE COORDINATION THAT THE CONTRACTOR HAS BETWEEN THE, UH, THE DRILLING, THE, THE SOIL MILLING PEOPLE AND THE BLASTER, AS WELL AS THE CONDUCTING THE MONITORING AND THE SURVEY FOR THE BLASTING REPRESENTS ALMOST NEARLY $300,000. UM, DRIVING YOUR TOTAL COST FOR THIS CHANGE ORDER OF ROUGHLY $3.8 MILLION, I WILL REMIND YOU THAT WE ARE STILL WITHIN BUDGET WITH THIS CHANGE ORDER. IT IS A SLIGHT INCREASE OVER WHAT WAS REPRESENTED IN, IN THAT BENT AB 30 57. I THINK IT'S ROUGHLY 243,000, BUT EVERYTHING IS STILL WITHIN BUDGET. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO QUESTIONS. OKAY. LET'S SIGN ON THIS SIDE WHILE I'LL GO WITH JESSICA FIRST. JESSICA, YOU STILL THERE? OKAY, YOU ARE UP FIRST. ANY QUESTIONS? STILL HERE? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EXCAVATION, TEMPORARY SHORING OR ANY OTHER THING ABOUT THIS CONTRACT. OKAY, THANK YOU PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTIONS ON PACKET PAGE 3 45. IT'S THE STAFF REPORT AND THE WORDS IN HERE IS ABOUT THE NEW CONTRACT VALUE FOR THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION PROJECT IS GONNA BE INCREASED BY THIS TOTAL AMOUNT. I, I, I HAD JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, I'M SURE THAT THE MATH IS RIGHT, I'M SURE THE ACCOUNTING IS RIGHT, BUT I WANT TO KNOW THAT THE DOCUMENTATION IN THE FUTURE IS GONNA BE RIGHT WHEN WE TRY TO RECREATE HISTORY. HOW MUCH DID FOREST ROAD COST? HOW MUCH DID THE GARAGE COST THAT THERE'S NOT GARAGE COST BURIED IN THE FOREST ROAD PROJECT SORT OF ARTIFICIALLY? BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION PROJECT IS BEING INCREASED AND NOT. YES. SO, UH, THE, THE COST FOR THIS WORK WILL ACTUALLY BE ALLOCATED TO THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE. IT IS ASSOCIATED STRICTLY WITH THE PARKING GARAGE. HOWEVER, THE CONTRACTOR IN THIS CASE FAN, UH, IS READILY EQUIPPED AND AVAILABLE TO DO THIS WORK. SO IT MAKES SENSE TO UTILIZE THEM UNDER THIS CONTRACT. IS THERE A REASON WHY IT'S SORT OF ONE CONTRACT RATHER THAN TWO IS? YEAH, SO WE TOOK AN, UH, ADVANTAGE OF THE CONTRACTOR ALREADY BEING ON SITE AND ADDED TO THE CONTRACT ALREADY IN PLACE UTILIZING, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTS, UH, AS, AS WELL AS ALL THEIR RESOURCES THAT WERE ALREADY IN PLACE BACK TO YOUR, THAT THAT WAS WHY WE UTILIZED THE, THE EXISTING CONTRACT WITH, UH, THE CONTRACTOR. UM, UH, BUT BACK TO YOUR EARLIER QUESTION, ONE THING THAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THIS PROCESS IS THAT A SEPARATE LINE ITEM WILL BE CREATED AS WE TRACK, TRACK WORK AND INVOICE, UM, WORK AS WE GO THROUGH COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT. SO IT WILL BE UNDER THIS SEPARATE CHANGE ORDER FOR THE WORK SPECIFIC TO THE GARAGE. IT WILL BE TRACKED SEPARATELY FROM THE FORCE ROAD WORK. SO I MIGHT ADD THAT THIS, THIS WORK WAS ORIGINALLY IN FAN'S CONTRACT WHEN WE FIRST BID THIS PROJECT AS AN ADDITIVE ALTERNATIVE BID ITEM. AND WE DID, WE DID, UH, EXERCISE OUR OPPORTUNITY ON THAT. HOWEVER, WHEN THINGS CHANGED RELATIVE TO THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE AND IT'S NOT MOVING FORWARD, WE HAD PULLED THAT BACK OUT OF THEIR CONTRACT. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU KATHY. NO QUESTIONS? BRIAN? NO QUESTIONS. MELISSA? NO QUESTIONS. VICE MAYOR, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. SO KNOW THE LINE TEMPORARY SHORING, IS THERE GONNA BE PERMANENT SHORING OR JUST TEMPORARY? SO WHEN WE WERE TO WHAT YOU NEEDED TO BE DONE? YEAH, SO WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE, UM, THE VALUE ENGINEERING WITH MCCARTHY, UM, AND UM, THE ARCHITECT ON THIS PROJECT, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT CAME UP WAS THE COST OF THE MASONRY WALL AROUND ALL FOUR SIDES OF THIS PARKING GARAGE STRUCTURE. UM, IT WAS, UM, DISCOVERED THROUGH SOME VALLEY ENGINEERING THAT WE COULD BENEFIT WITH SOME COST SAVINGS UTILIZING THAT SOIL STABILIZATION OR SOIL NAILING. SO WHAT WE WILL BE DOING UNDER THE FOREST ROADS SITE EXCAVATION WORK IS THEY WILL BEGIN THAT SOIL KNEELING OPERATION BASICALLY IN FIVE FOOT INTERVAL DROPS. SO AS THE BACK IS INSIDE YOUR EXCAVATED DOWN FIVE FEET, THERE'LL BE SOME SOIL KNEELING, THEY'LL EXCAVATE ANOTHER FIVE FEET DOWN SOIL KNEELING ANOTHER FIVE FEET DOWN A SO ON UNTIL WE GET TO THE DEPTH OF ROUGHLY 35 FEET. THAT WILL BE A TEMPORARY FACING, THE FINAL FACING WILL BE PUT ON WITH MCCARTHY AND THAT'LL BE A COLOR [03:00:01] CODED, TEXTURED SIT FACING AND THAT'LL BE ARCHITECTURALLY PLEASING FROM THE INSIDE. SO YOU DON'T EXPECT TO BRING BACK A FURTHER CONTRACT AMENDMENT THAT'S ALREADY EXISTS IN THE MCCARTHY CONTRACT. I, I, I HOPE NOT TO BRING BACK ANOTHER CONTRACT AMENDMENT . THERE'S NOTHING ON THE HORIZON, BUT YEAH, THINGS HAPPEN OF COURSE. AND UM, BUT UM, FOR NOW WE'RE, WE'RE STILL WITHIN BUDGET, SO, OKAY. THANK YOU . OKAY, WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. OH, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO SAY. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY CARDS, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, WE HAVE ANY, UH, FINAL COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL FROM DE JESSICA? ANY FINAL COMMENTS? NO, THANK YOU KATHY, I DIDN'T GET AN INDICATION. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I HAVE MY MOTION. OKAY. I MOVE TO APPROVE CONTRACT CHANGE ORDER NUMBER NINE WITH FAN CONTRACTING INC. IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $3,777,950. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY, JESSICA SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? WE UNANIMOUS. OKAY, MOVING [8.e. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items.] RIGHT ALONG. ITEM E, AB 30 66 POSSIBLE, UH, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. I KNOW THE VICE MAYOR HAS SOMETHING I DO. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND ITS STATUS, UH, AND ITS ONGOING. THE FUTURE OF THE COMMISSION, WE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS FROM SEVEN TO FIVE AND NOW WE HAVE TWO LEFT, UH, OUT OF THAT. AND SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A RESUME. I MAYBE MORE THAN I'VE SEEN ONE RESUME FOR REPLACEMENT AND IT'S BEEN VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO RECRUIT PEOPLE AND THE ONE, UH, REPLACEMENT PERSON WE HAVE DOESN'T EVEN LIVE IN SEDONA, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE QUALIFICATIONS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN SEDONA ACCORDING TO THOSE RULES. BUT I'D JUST LIKE FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE A HPC OR THAT WORK COULD BE DONE IN A, IN A DIFFERENT WAY, LIKE THROUGH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY OR SOME OTHER MEANS. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? BECAUSE WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN SHE CAN'T DISCUSS IT? WELL CAN WE, WE CAN'T REALLY DISCUSS THAT NOW. WELL, SHE CAN ASK A QUESTION. OH, I GUESS SECOND IT RIGHT? I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT I SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION. YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, ABOUT IT. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CANCELLATIONS OF MEETINGS. SO I THINK WHEN YOU ADD THESE FACTORS TOGETHER AT WARRANTS US TAKING A HOLISTIC LOOK AT WHAT THE FUTURE OF THE COMMISSION SHOULD BE, IS THERE A WAY TO RESTRUCTURE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE MAY WANNA CONSIDER? SO I SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH A FULL DISCUSSION. OKAY. I AGREE. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. I I JUST THINK I OKAY. IF NECESSARY. OKAY. YOU HAVE DIRECTION? YES SIR. OKAY. I ALSO, IF YOU DON'T MIND MAYOR, AFTER YOU'RE DONE DISCUSSING FUTURE ITEMS, I HAD ONE TO BRING UP. SURE. I THINK ARE THERE ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS FROM US? UH, I JUST A PROCESS QUESTION HERE, MR. MAYOR, WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND. I THINK OUR RULES SAY IF WE HAVE MORE THAN TWO THEN WE SKIP A STAFF STEP AND IT JUST GETS, OTHERWISE IT HAS TO COME TO US THAT FOR, SO WE SHOULD ALL WEIGH IN ABOUT WHETHER WE SUPPORT THIS MOTION OR NOT. YEAH, I SUPPORT, YEAH, SUPPORT. I THINK WE'RE UNANIMOUS ON THAT TOO. WE SUPPORT. OKAY. SO I SUPPORT IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR COUNSEL. UM, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT UH, WE HAVE AN INVITATION FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT, UM, TO, UH, THEY ASKED ME TO SEE IF YOU WOULD ALL BE INTERESTED IN A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN THE FIRE DISTRICT BOARD AND YOURSELVES. UM, AND THIS IS REGARDING THE, I BELIEVE IT'S FIRE STATION FOUR IN UPTOWN AND THEIR DESIRE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT, UM, OVERALL RELOCATION OF THAT FACILITY WITHIN UPTOWN AND DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS HAPPENING IN UPTOWN AND DIFFERENT CITY OWNED PARCELS, UM, THAT COULD BE POTENTIAL SITES FOR NEW, UM, FIRE STATION AND WEATHER COUNCIL AND [03:05:01] THAT BOARD, UH, I I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU DISCUSS POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES UP THERE TO PARTNER WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT AND WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN FOR THE CITY. AND SO THE FIRE CHIEF AND I TALKED ABOUT, UM, HE'S EXTENDING TO HIS BOARD THIS IDEA AND I SAID I WOULD BRING IT FORWARD TO YOU ALL TO SEE IF YOU WERE INTERESTED AND OUR THOUGHT WAS A WORKING LUNCH, UM, SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER THAT UM, THE TWO ENTITIES COULD GET TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND STAFF COULD PRESENT YOU IN INFORMATION AND UM, AND YOU ALL COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT ANY FUTURE UM, PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES RELATED TO THAT. UM, AND IN LOOKING AT YOUR CALENDAR, I THOUGHT I WOULD SUGGEST, UM, IF YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE A WORKING LUNCH MEETING ON EITHER WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 11TH OR WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 25TH. THAT WOULD BE BEFORE YOUR, YOUR REGULAR WORK SESSION ON THOSE DAYS. JUST AS AN OPTION. I CAN TELL YOU ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, THE FIREHOUSE STATION SIX HOLDS A NINE 11 MEMORIAL TILL ABOUT 12 O'CLOCK. SO IF WE COULD DO IT LIKE AT ONE OR SOMETHING, ONE O'CLOCK IF THAT WORKS. BUT I THINK THEY USUALLY DO SOMETIMES PANCAKES DURING THAT EVENT. SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMETIMES NOTHING BUT THEY HAVE COFFEE DONUTS. SURE. OR WE COULD LOOK AT SEPTEMBER 25TH IF THAT. THE 11TH OBVIOUSLY IS RIGHT BEFORE DO WE HAVE MEANINGFUL DAY FOR EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY IN THE FIRE SERVICE. SO WE'D PROBABLY NOT A GOOD DAY TO DO THAT. OKAY. THE 25TH IS IT UH, WORKS TENTATIVE WORK SESSION? DO WE HAVE ANYTHING PLANNED? UM, LEMME PULL UP MY CALENDAR. UM, WE HAVE IT TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR THE AIRPORT ASSESSMENT, UM, THAT AFTERNOON, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY ITEM SO FAR AND WE COULD ALWAYS MOVE THAT AS WELL. OKAY. KATHY, YOU HAD SOMETHING WHEN, WHEN YOU SAID A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF, WOULD THE PRESENTATION BE FROM BOTH FIRE DEPARTMENT STAFF AND CITY STAFF OR, I THINK SO. WE HAVEN'T QUITE MAPPED OUT HOW IT WOULD LOOK, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IT WOULD BE UM, FROM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT KIND OF OVERVIEWING THE UPTOWN AREA AND YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU HAD TALKED IN THE PAST ABOUT NEEDING TO UPDATE THE C FFA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH HASN'T HAPPENED YET FOR THAT AREA IS MY UNDERSTANDING. BUT I THINK JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF ALL OF THE ELEMENTS IN PLAY UP THERE SO THAT, UM, AND THEN MAYBE AFTER THAT LAUNCH INTO THE MORE SPECIFIC DISCUSSION BY THE FIRE DISTRICT OF WHAT IT IS THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND WHY THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN CERTAIN VACANT PARCELS THAT THE CITY OWNS UP THERE. AND TO BE CLEAR, YOU'D JUST BE LOOKING FOR GENERAL DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION, BUT NO ACTION. RIGHT. I THINK THE INTENT IS FOR OUR STAFF AND THE FIRE DISTRICT STAFF TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S INTEREST IN ANY ONE OR TWO LOCATIONS SO THAT WE COULD, UH, THE FIRE DISTRICT WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH GETTING APPRAISALS OR UNDERSTANDING LIKE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO EXPEND FUNDS AND EFFORT IF UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NOT AN INTEREST FROM THE CITY ON ANY OF THOSE PARTICULAR LOCATIONS. I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. IT'S BEEN SORT OF FLOATING AROUND FOR SOME QUITE SOME TIME AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A DIRECT DISCUSSION WITH THE PARTIES. OKAY. PETE, YOUR OPINION? I, I AGREE. UH, I SUPPORT REGIONAL COLLABORATION OF THESE BOARDS ANYHOW. SO DO I VICE MAYOR? OH, ABSOLUTELY BRIAN. YEP. OKAY. JESSICA, YOU HAVE, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. I WILL TALK TO FIRE CHIEF ED AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW IF THAT DATE WORKS FOR THEM AND WE'LL GET IT FORMALLY SCHEDULED. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, OUR NEXT MEETING IS TOMORROW AT THREE O'CLOCK. WE'LL SEE YOU THEN. WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.