* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY. WHAT [00:00:01] DOES SHE KEEP DOING THERE? IT'S, UH, STRAIGHT UP FOUR [Historic Preservation on August 12, 2024.] O'CLOCK OFFICIALLY. SO I GUESS WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE, UH, CITY OF SEDONA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO ORDER, UM, EVERYONE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE, IF YOU ARE ABLE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE. ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY, JUST FOR ALL. ROLL CALL VICE CHAIR MYERS PRESENT. COMMISSIONER FEENEY AYE. COMMISSIONER HUGGINS HERE. AND COMMISSIONER EGNER IS EXCUSED UNTIL HE ARRIVES. HOPEFULLY EXCUSED. EXCUSED UNTIL ARRIVE? YES. OKAY. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. ANYTHING FROM STAFF? YEAH. YES, I SEE A HAND GOING UP. OKAY. YES, ME OVER HERE PLEASE. UH, THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, I HAVE TWO THINGS FOR THE COMMISSION TODAY. UH, THE FIRST IS THAT, UH, THE, UH, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE PERMIT HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR THE TOILETS AT THE RANGER STATION PARK. SO THEY DO HAVE A PERMIT. UM, PUBLIC WORKS STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH THE BID AND PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR A CONTRACTOR, BUT THEY'RE STILL HOPING TO HAVE COMPLETION OF THE INSTALLATION OF THOSE TOILETS, UH, AGAIN AT RANGER STATION PARK, UH, BY THIS NEXT SPRING. BY NEXT SPRING, MM-HMM. . AND IF THERE'S NO, YES. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO BRING EFFECT THAT I TOOK THE, UH, ALL PURPOSE TRAIL AT THE RANGER STATION, AND IT'S REALLY BEAUTIFUL. I MEAN, IT IS REALLY NICE. IT DOES HAVE SOME PLACES WHERE IT HOLD WATER AND IT'S MUDDY. IN FACT, THIS WHEELCHAIR GOT WALKING DOWN IN THE MUD AND A GOOD CEMENT AND PUSHED ME OUT. BUT, UH, I, I'M, I'VE GOT SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF IT AND I'M NOT SURE IN PUBLIC WORKS WHO THAT SHOULD GO TO. THAT WOULD GO TO SANDY PHILLIPS. SANDY PHILLIPS. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF? YES. THANK YOU. THIS MICROPHONE SEEMS TO WORK BETTER IN THIS ONE. UM, THE SECOND ITEM ON MY LIST HERE, AS I WANTED TO INFORM THE COMMISSION THAT, UM, THE PLAQUES FOR THE LANDMARK PROPERTIES, BOTH THE TILAK CHAPEL, UH, AND, UH, THE LINKS, 56 LINKS PROPERTY, UH, THOSE HAVE NOT ONLY BEEN COMPLETED, BUT, UH, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS AT 56 LINKS HAVE PICKED UP THEIR PLAQUE. I'M DELIVERING THE PLAQUE TO, TO OCK TOMORROW, WHERE WE'RE GONNA HOPEFULLY GET SOME PICTURES OF THE CHAPEL, BOTH INSIDE AND OUT FOR THE SURVEY BOOK. UM, BOTH PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, DID NOT WANT A CEREMONY OF ANY TYPE, UH, FROM HPC. UM, THEY WANTED TO JUST HANG THEIR PLAQUES AND, AND MOVE ON. SO, UM, SO YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, UH, TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SHOULD THERE BE ANY KIND OF PUBLICITY OR NOT? I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S KIND OF A REALLY BIG DEAL. YEAH, SO WE, WE MOLD THAT OVER, UM, IN GREAT PART BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF 56 LINKS REALLY DIDN'T WANT THE ADVERTISEMENT. UH, THEY'RE TRYING TO BE GOOD TO THEIR NEIGHBORS. THEY DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT A LOT OF THEIR NEIGHBORS HAD VOICED CONCERNS THAT IT, UM, LANDMARKING THE PROPERTY OR BRING IN TOO MANY PEOPLE. UH, THEY ALREADY HAVE, UH, THEY CLAIM THEY ALREADY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, UH, THE TOURISTS WHO ARE COMING TO SEE, UH, THE CHAPEL , THE OTHER CHAPEL. UM, AND SO, UM, IN THAT WAS IN GREAT PART AS TO WHY THEY DIDN'T WANT SOME SORT OF A CEREMONY OR RIBBON CUTTING. GREAT. UM, AND I HAVE ONE, UH, THAT I'D LIKE TO BRING UP. UM, AS IT RELATES TO, I'M TRYING TO, UM, WEAR MY MANY DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, UH, ROLES HERE, DIFFERENT HATS. UM, I'VE GOT THE, UM, SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY HAT ON FOR THE MOMENT. UH, JUST LETTING THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT, UM, THE, UH, SOCIETY DOESN'T TEND TO, TO SEND A LETTER TO THE, UM, [00:05:01] UH, CITY COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE NEXT MONTH. UM, JUST REITERATING WHAT'S BEEN SAID HERE IN THIS MEETING SEVERAL TIMES BY ME AND OTHERS, JUST WE'D LIKE TO, TO SEE, UH, CONSIDERATION OF HVAC AND CLIMATE CONTROL IN THE, UH, IN THE BARN AT THE RANGER STATION MOVING FORWARD. OKAY? OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS AND OR ANNOUNCEMENTS? GREAT. UM, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES. JULY 8TH, 2024. EVERYBODY'S SEEN THE MINUTES. GOT A COPY RIGHT THERE. UM, DO I, UH, HEAR A MOTION? SO MOVED. I THINK WE HAVE TO DO THAT. DO WE NEED A MOTION? OH, SORRY. ASK IF THERE ARE ANY CORRECTIONS. ANY CORRECTIONS. THEY'RE APPROVED. GREAT. APPROVED . THANK YOU. SEE, I TOLD YOU SHE KEEPS US, KEEPS US ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW HERE. BIG SHOES TO FILL, UH, PUBLIC FORUM. THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA. THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO A RS 38 DASH 4 31 H, ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO ANY CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE. DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS FROM THE PUBLIC? I CAN'T BELIEVE IT. UH, MOVING ON TO REGULAR BUSINESS . WE HAVE SUCH A LARGE CROWD, I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THAT NOBODY, NOBODY OUT THERE WANTED TO FILE, UM, DISCUSSION OF THE FOCUS DISCUSSION OF THE FOCUS OF THE COMMISSION AND THE NEXT STEPS REGARDING LANDMARKING AND SURVEYS. I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO STAFF TO BEGIN THIS DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. ARE YOU GONNA TURN IT RIGHT BACK TO ME? I'M, YES. YES. UM, BASICALLY, UH, THIS WAS, UH, UH, ADDED AS A DISCUSSION FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE FUTURE, UM, AS IT RELATES TO LANDMARKING AND, AND THE SURVEY BOOK AND, UM, THE UPDATES THAT MAY BE NEEDED TO THE SURVEY BOOK, UH, AND, UH, MAYBE DISCUSSION OF, UH, HOW TO PROCEED ON LANDMARKING IN THE FUTURE. SO, UH, CHAIR, IF YOU HAD ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT. SURE. I, I'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS HERE. UM, AND I DO THINK, UH, IT'S OKAY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. SO IF, IF JACK OR, OR BOB, IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING YOU WANNA JUMP IN ON, JUST, JUST LET ME KNOW, PLEASE. UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GO 11 MORE YEARS WITHOUT LANDMARKING. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK PART OF THE WAY WE DO THAT IS WE ENSURE THAT WE ARE, UM, STICKING TO OUR MANDATE AND OUR MANDATE TO LANDMARK BUILDINGS OR ISSUES, CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS WHEN, WHEN THOSE ISSUES COME BEFORE US, UH, FOR CURRENTLY LANDMARK PROPERTIES, UM, THAT REQUIRE MAINTENANCE OR ALTERATIONS OR WHATEVER. UM, AND, UM, PART OF THAT I THINK IS, UM, WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE GET THE CITY GETS A NEW, UH, HISTORIC, UM, SURVEY DONE. UM, I THINK THE LAST ONE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DONNA AND, AND STEVE, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE THE LAST SURVEY WAS DONE IN 2014. UM, THAT'S 14 OR 13. YEAH. 13 OR 14. YEAH. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A DECADE AND, AND LET'S SAY IT WAS 2014, THAT MEANS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MOST RECENT BUILDINGS, UM, CONSTRUCTION DATES IN THERE WOULD BE 64, RIGHT? UM, AND SO WE'VE GOT A WHOLE DECADE'S WORTH OF MID-CENTURY BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT IN TOWN THAT NOW WOULD BE HIT THAT 50 YEAR THRESHOLD, NOT TO MENTION SURVEYING THE, THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ALREADY IN THE SURVEY TO ENSURE THEIR CONDITION AND, AND NOTE THAT. SO, UM, STAFF, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD LOVE IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET A SURVEY, UM, FUNDED. UM, AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND IT, IT MIGHT BE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. YES. AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON FOR, WOULD BE THE EARLIEST. YES. THAT'S PART OF THE REASON FOR THIS DISCUSSION TO HELP US BUDGET. WE'RE GONNA BE STARTING OUR, WE'RE BUDGETING PROCESS. CRAZY. I KNOW, UM, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT WHAT MONTH AND A HALF, DONNA. YEAH. SO, UM, SO THIS IS TO START IN PART, TO START THAT DISCUSSION [00:10:01] SO THAT STAFF KNOWS, UH, HOW TO APPROPRIATE FUNDS IN THE NEXT, UH, BUDGET PROCESS. YEAH. AND I, I, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE EXPENSE WOULD BE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY, UM, LOOK AROUND, GET AN ESTIMATE. MM-HMM. . UM, AND, AND CERTAINLY IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE CITY FUNDS. IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT OUR CLG, UM, AND THERE SHOULD BE, UM, SHOULD BE GRANT FUNDS OUT THERE THAT WOULD SUPPORT THAT. YEAH. WE COULD REQUEST UP TO $10,000. YEAH. SO WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT'S ON THE RADAR AND THAT GETS DONE. UM, AS WE THINK ABOUT THIS, THIS, THE OTHER THING, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD WE, WE LANDMARKED TWO PROPERTIES EARLIER THIS YEAR. UM, AND NOW WE'RE SITTING HERE AND IT'S LIKE, WHAT'S NEXT? SO A, WE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S NEXT, BUT B, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO TOO, AND WHAT I'D URGE THE COMMISSIONERS TO THINK ABOUT AND, AND NOT SOLVE IN THIS MEETING, 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOLUTIONS BY COMMITTEE IN PUBLIC SETTINGS ARE NOT ALWAYS, UH, NOT ALWAYS THE BEST. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE SET OURSELVES UP FOR SUCCESS BY LIKE, UM, GETTING A PIPELINE, MAYBE, UH, A SYSTEM WHERE WE HAVE A PIPELINE WHERE WE KNOW, OKAY, THIS YEAR WE DID, UH, THE, THE KIVA HOUSE AND THE CHAPEL, AND WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON FOR NEXT YEAR X AND Y. AND THEN THE YEAR AFTER THAT WE'VE GOT OUR EYES ON A AND B. AND, AND I DON'T WANNA BE SO INFLEXIBLE THAT THAT CAN'T CHANGE IF, IF, YOU KNOW, A, A PROPERTY OWNER BRINGS FORTH A PROPERTY THAT THEY, THEY WANT TO NOMINATE OR, OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, REALLY, UH, COMES UP. BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT WOULD REALLY BEHOOVE US TO, TO HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE WHERE MOVING FORWARD, WE KNOW WHAT THE WORK OF THIS COMMITTEE IS FOR THE NEXT YEAR, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. ACTUALLY, WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM PLANNING WITHIN, UH, YOU USE A DECADE. A DECADE IS A, IS A GOOD NUMBER, UH, 10, 10 YEAR PLAN. AND I'M THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THE, THE HOUSE OF THE SEVEN ARCHES. MM-HMM. , WHICH, UH, HAS A NICE HISTORY BEHIND IT. AND, UH, THAT ONE, DEPENDING UPON WHAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE HOUSE, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT MM-HMM. . BUT, UM, I THINK THEY MIGHT BE AMENABLE TO DOING A LANDMARK IN THAT PROPERTY. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S NOT GONNA BE NEAR TERM. THAT'LL BE FURTHER OUT. MM-HMM. , BECAUSE I THINK, UH, I THINK, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT IT WAS COMPLETED IN 78, I WAS GONNA SAY SOMETIME IN THE SEVENTIES. YEAH. UM, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S HIT THAT 50 NO, I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE IT WAS 78 OR 79. YEAH. YEAH. SO, BUT WE CAN GET IT IN THE PIPELINE AS YOU, AS YOU MENTIONED. AND I THINK PART OF THAT, GETTING, GETTING THINGS IN THE PIPELINE, YOU KNOW, A, IT IT GIVES US A PURPOSE RIGHT? GIVES US A SENSE OF PURPOSE AND IT SOMETHING TO WORK ON. IT GIVES STAFF DIRECTION ON, ON INSTEAD OF KIND OF FLAILING AROUND WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE COMMISSION GONNA COME UP WITH NEXT FOR ME TO DO ? YOU KNOW? UM, I THINK, UM, YEAH. AND I THINK PART OF THAT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, A, A CONSENSUS THAT COULD SHIFT, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMISSION TO COMMISSION AS COMMISSIONERS COME AND GO, BUT SOME SORT OF CONSENSUS ON HOW YOU PRIORITIZE, UM, WHAT, WHAT NEEDS TO BE LANDMARKED MM-HMM. OR, OR HOW WE APPROACH IT AND, AND HOW WE THINK ABOUT THAT PRIORITIZATION. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THE, THE REALLY IMPORTANT, REALLY EARLY ONES ARE, ARE DONE, RIGHT? THE HEART STORE, THE JORDAN FARM, THE, THE, UM, THIS, THAT, OR THE OTHER ONE. RIGHT? BUT, UM, AND CERTAINLY WE'VE HIT A LOT OF THOSE, BUT HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE MOVING FORWARD? DO WE, DO WE PRIORITIZE AND I'M JUST THROWING OUT HYPOTHETICALS, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMERCIAL OVER RESIDENTIAL, UH, FOR THE REASON CITED BY OUR, UM, OUR RESIDENTS AT THE KIVA HOUSE WHO ARE LIKE, OKAY, WELL WE GOT IT, BUT NOW WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT BECAUSE OUR NEIGHBORS ARE GONNA BE MAD IF, AND THAT'S THE ONLY PUBLIC COMMENT WE GOT FROM THAT TOO, IF YOU GUYS WILL RECALL IN THAT PACKET WAS, UM, I THINK TWO ANONYMOUS, UM, UH, RESIDENTS SUGGESTING THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT IT BECAUSE TRAFFIC WOULD INCREASE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT. AND SO THE ANSWER TO THAT, UNLESS, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE STICK TO STICK TO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, UM, OR BUILDINGS THAT PEOPLE CAN VISIT. WELL, WE'VE GOT A BIT OF A PROBLEM BECAUSE SOME OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN THE CURRENT SURVEY MM-HMM. CAN'T BE LANDMARKED. THAT'S TRUE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO IS TO GO THROUGH THE CURRENT SURVEY AND THOSE THAT CAN'T [00:15:01] BE LANDMARKED, IF WE WANT TO PERHAPS LATER ON DO A HISTORIC RECOGNITION AWARD KIND OF THING, WE COULD DO THAT LATER ON, BUT TO, TO NOT COUNT ON THAT PARTICULAR SURVEY AS BEING, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN USE FOR LANDMARKING AT THIS TIME. MM-HMM. . WELL, AND I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS IT MIGHT HURT TO TO HEAR THIS TOO, WE MIGHT WANT TO VEER AWAY FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S LANDMARK OR NOTHING FROM THE, THE, THE, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. 'CAUSE IT, IT CREATES A BIT OF A GRAY AREA, UM, SINCE IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY IN THE CODE MM-HMM. , UM, TO, TO HAVE THE HISTORIC RECOGNITION. BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. LIKE, HOW, HOW CAN WE, AND, AND THAT MIGHT BE WHERE THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY COMES IN AS A, A STRONGER PARTNER THAN IT'S BEEN IN THE PAST TO YEAH. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S AMAZING TO ME, WHEN WE WERE AT THE CLG MEETING, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE STRESSING IS, UM, TELLING STORIES. MM-HMM. , UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS HISTORY MM-HMM. . AND SOME OF THESE PARTICULAR PROPERTIES WOULD QUALIFY FOR A LANDMARK EXCEPT FOR ONE THING OR TWO THINGS. MM-HMM. . BUT WE WOULDN'T WANT THEIR HISTORY TO GET LOST. ABSOLUTELY NOT. AND, AND THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SOCIETY MAKES SENSE YEAH. IN THAT REGARD. YEAH. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN FIND ANOTHER WAY TO RECOGNIZE THEM MM-HMM. , I THINK WE SHOULD YEAH, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. I AGREE. AGREE. UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I MIGHT HAVE FOR STAFF IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING LIKE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE IN CODE OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT LIKE, CAN THIS, UM, IS IT PERFECTLY OKAY FOR THIS BOARD TO ADOPT SOME SORT OF A, A, OR COMMISSION, I SHOULD SAY, TO USE THE RIGHT PHRASE, UM, TO ADOPT SOME SORT OF A WORKING DOCUMENT THAT SUGGESTS THIS IS, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS IS OUR PROCESS FOR, FOR GETTING THINGS INTO THE PIPELINE, UH, TO KEEP USING THAT WORD. UM, THIS IS HOW WE APPROACH IT, THIS IS HOW WE THINK ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND, AND NEAR TERM AND LONG TERM GOALS. YOU KNOW, IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE COULD DO? I THINK THAT, EXCUSE ME, CRAFTING A PROCEDURAL DOCUMENT THAT STAYS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT, UH, THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE COMMISSION ARE, WOULD BE FINE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S HELPING THE COMMISSION MM-HMM. IN YOUR DUTIES. UM, SO I THINK A PROCEDURE, A PROCEDURAL DOCUMENT WOULD BE FINE, BUT AGAIN, I WOULD JUST CAUTION TO, AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THE, THE ALLOWED SCOPE OF HPC MM-HMM. . YEAH. WELL, SEE, THAT'S ONE THING THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT, HOW DOES THAT FIT IN OR LOOK IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE? MM-HMM. . AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING A FEW CHANGES, BUT, UM, WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE FOR THE PROCEDURAL DOCUMENT TO BE? SO THE PROCEDURAL DOCUMENT COULD BE, UM, IT, IT WOULD NOT BE WITHIN THE LDC UNLESS THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS POSED TO COUNSEL, AND COUNSEL APPROVED IT TO PUT IT IN, UH, TO, TO MAKE, UH, ONE OF THE CHANGES TO THE LDC. UM, AND, AND I CAN CHECK WITH, WITH, UH, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL ON THIS, BUT, UH, TO ME TO HAVE A PROCEDURE, UM, THAT WOULDN'T BE, LET'S SAY LAW, BUT IT WOULD BE A ROADMAP FOR HOW YOU FEEL YOU WOULD LIKE THIS COMMISSION TO, TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, WHERE THAT'S PLACED. UH, WE ONLY HAVE ONE PLACE WHERE WE CAN PUT DOCUMENTS MM-HMM. . UM, AND THAT WOULD BE THE LDC. SO TO ME IT WOULD BE A, UM, A, A NON-BINDING PROCEDURAL DOCUMENT, UM, THAT YOU CAN PUT WITHIN, UH, HPCS RECORDS. BUT, UM, I CAN CHECK WITH LEGAL ON THAT. UH, DOES THE, UM, LDC HAVE AN ADDENDUM? NO. NO. THAT'S WHY WE, COULD WE CREATE ONE? I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS, AGAIN, THESE ARE QUESTIONS I CAN CERTAINLY ASK. MM-HMM. LEGAL COUNSEL. BUT, UM, UH, ANYTHING [00:20:01] THAT IS TIED TO OR CHANGES THE LDC WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH THE, THAT, UH, CITY COUNCIL PROCESS. MM-HMM. AND P AND Z AND THEN CITY COUNCIL. MM-HMM. . OKAY. BUT IF WE WERE TO, IF WE WERE JUST OP UH, ADOPTING OPERATING PROCEDURES FOR, FOR US TO, TO JUST BE USED BY THE COMMISSIONERS INFORMALLY WITHOUT, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LANGUAGE YOU JUST USED, NON-BINDING NON YES. UM, THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GO THROUGH COUNSEL. THAT WOULD JUST BE, UM, HPC, THE COMMISSIONERS CURRENTLY MAKING UP HPC FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE WAY TO, TO PROCEED. AND THIS IS, THIS IS OUR OPERATING DOCUMENT, THIS IS HOW WE INTEND TO GO ABOUT OUR BUSINESS. IT COULD BE PART OF THE PROCEDURE DOCUMENT, OR PROCEDURE HANDBOOK, PERHAPS. YEAH. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'LL, I'LL FIND OUT FOR THE COMMISSION. OKAY. YEAH. I, BECAUSE I, I MEAN, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT'S VITAL FOR THIS COMMISSION TO NOT GO 11 YEARS WITHOUT LANDMARKING IT AGAIN. UM, I, I THINK THAT'S IMPERATIVE THAT, THAT WE TAKE OUR MISSION SERIOUSLY AND WE'RE, WE'RE TASKED WITH MAN, WE'RE GIVEN A MANDATE, FRANKLY, TO, UM, YOU KNOW, LANDMARK BUILDINGS. AND, AND WE OUGHT TO BE DOING OUR BEST TO DO THAT. AND TO ME, UM, THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT THAT IS TO CREATE SOME SORT OF A, SOME SORT OF A SYSTEM THAT GETS US MM-HMM. THERE. SO EVEN IF WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE DOING NEXT YEAR, WE KNOW THAT NEXT YEAR WE'RE, UH, WHICH TWO BUILDINGS WE'RE GONNA LANDMARK, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA LANDMARK TWO BUILDINGS MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, UM, AND, AND SETS US UP FOR SUCCESS TO DO THAT. AND IN A, A TRANSPARENT WAY THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THIS, THE COMMITTEE LOOKS AT X, Y, AND Z AND SAYS, WE THINK THIS SHOULD BE A PRIORITY, AND, AND, UH, WE'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THIS ONE DOWN THE ROAD OR WHATEVER. UM, SO YEAH, IT, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THAT COULD BE DONE OUTSIDE OF HAVING TO GO TO COUNCIL. NOT, NOT FOR ANY NEFARIOUS MEANS, BUT UM, RIGHT. JUST IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO GET THAT DONE, UH, IN A TIMELY MANNER. AND, AND IT ALIGNS WITH WHAT THIS DISCUSSION IS ALL ABOUT YEAH. TODAY. YEAH. AND SO YOU COULD SAY IT VERBALLY, YOU COULD WRITE IT DOWN, BUT I, I GET THE QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION OF, WELL, WHERE DOES THAT DOCUMENT THEN SIT? MM-HMM. , THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION THERE. AND WHAT WEIGHT DOES IT HAVE? YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER HUGGINS, WOULDN'T THAT, I MEAN, COULD IT BE APPROPRIATE JUST IN INSIDE OF THE, UH, COMMISSION HANDBOOK? WOULD THAT BE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO PUT IT? IT'S A DIRECTIONAL MM-HMM. KIND THING, AND IT JUST SEEMS THAT THAT COULD GO INTO THE HANDBOOK. YEAH. I, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. UH, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. UM, THAT'S ANOTHER THING WE SHOULD STUDY, IS THE HANDBOOK. IT'S, IT'S, UH, LONG IN THE TOOTH. MM-HMM. . GOOD POINT. GOOD POINT. MAKE A NOTE OF THAT. . UM, STEVE, ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, THIS HAS TO DO WITH BUDGET AND ONGOING BUDGET VERSUS, UH, VERSUS POTENTIALLY THE ONE TIME ASK OF, OF A SURVEY. UM, WHAT IS THE ONGOING BUDGET FOR, FOR HPC AND IS IT THE INTENTION THAT, THAT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IN THE PAST IT'S BEEN BUILT AROUND THE IDEA OF LANDMARKING TWO PROPERTIES PER YEAR AND PAYING FOR THE SERVICES THAT COME WITH THAT, LIKE CONDUCTING UP-TO-DATE SURVEYS. CORRECT. AND THEN ALSO THE PLAQUES. AND THE PLAQUES AS WELL. YES. OKAY. AND, AND IS IT THE INTENTION MOVING FORWARD THAT IT REMAINS AT, UH, BUDGETED FOR TWO THAT I THINK IS PART OF THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT, UM, THAT IF YOU FEEL THAT, UM, THAT THE KEY ADMISSION WOULD LIKE AND HAS THE BANDWIDTH TO DO MORE THAN TWO? I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT. UH, AGAIN, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD ALSO GO BACK TO THE PROCEDURAL PORTION. AND I THINK ONCE YOU HAVE A PROCEDURE, IT ALLOWS YOU TO EASIER MEET YOUR GOALS. UM, SO, UH, BUT YES, THAT IS PART OF THE DISCUSSION FOR TONIGHT AS WELL. UM, AND PART OF WHAT I WOULD NEED TO KNOW, UH, FOR THE BUDGETING PROCESS, AND IF I COULD GO BACKWARDS A LITTLE BIT. YEAH, PLEASE. UM, COMMISSIONER RAFINI BROUGHT UP, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME, UH, UH, OF THE OTHER CHANGES THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE DONE AS PART OF THE, THE SURVEY. UM, I ALSO WANTED TO REMIND [00:25:01] THE COMMISSIONERS THAT HALF OF THE SURVEY WAS UPDATED MANY YEARS PAST WITH THE CURRENT STATE FORM, AND THERE ARE MANY, MANY IN THE BOOK, WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED. SO THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THAT NEXT UPDATE AS WELL TO REDO SOME OF THOSE EXISTING AT, AT THE LAST MEETING OF, UH, SHIPPO WHERE, UH, THEY TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE CONFERENCE. OKAY. IS THAT, UM, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON PROVIDING, UH, NOT ONLY FORMS, BUT ALSO GUIDANCE MATERIAL. SO, UM, I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE FOR US TO LEAN ON SHIPPO A LITTLE BIT TO, UH, GET US UP TO DATE. GOOD THOUGHT. I, I'D FORGOTTEN THEY MENTIONED THAT. SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A A GOOD POINT AND, AND POINT WELL MADE TO STEVE ABOUT, UH, ABOUT NEEDING TO UPDATE, UH, OR USE THE MOST RECENT UPDATED SURVEYS AND THAT, UM, SOME OF THESE DON'T HAVE THAT. CORRECT. UM, YEAH. SO THAT'S ANOTHER PART OF THE EXPENSE THAT COULD GO MM-HMM. RIGHT. MIGHT GO INTO IT. SO YEAH. AND DON'T FORGET ABOUT MAY STORE PRESERVATION MONTH. YEP. YEAH. WE NEED SOMETHING IN THE BUDGET TO HANDLE THAT. THAT SO WHAT YES, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN LEAN ON THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, UM, AND WORK WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY ON THAT. UM, AND THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF MAKE IT WHAT WE WANT. UM, WE HPC MM-HMM. , UM, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT, UH, HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, A RESTRICTIVE CITY BUDGET OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WELL, I WAS, BUT BOB HAD BROUGHT UP ABOUT PUBLICITY. MM-HMM. . AND THIS OF COURSE, IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO HONOR SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, AGREED TO DO TO HELP US WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND, AND OR NOT LANDSCAPING, I'M SORRY, LANDMARKING, LANDMARKING LANDSCAPE. I'M BACK AT THE PARK . UM, ANYWAY, UM, TO, UH, TO HELP WITH THE LANDMARKING AND YEAH. AND GET THINGS DONE. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY MM-HMM. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, I THINK. ABSOLUTELY. NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. AND I THINK, UH, SHOWING THAT BUY-IN'S MM-HMM. VITAL. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. UM, SO LET ME, SINCE WE'RE ON THAT BUDGET TOPIC FOR THE MOMENT, UM, LET ME ASK THE COMMISSIONERS, DO, DO WE THINK THAT TWO IS IS THE RIGHT NUMBER PER YEAR? UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL I TAKE YOUR THOUGHTS BEFORE I SHARE MINE. YEAH. I, MY THOUGHTS ON IT ARE BASICALLY WHEN WE HAVE THE ROADMAP OR PIPELINE MM-HMM. , WHEN WE DECIDE HOW THAT'S GOING TO LAY OUT, I THINK THEN WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO LANDMARK MORE THAN TWO PROPERTIES. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT LANDMARKING A COMMERCIAL AND LANDMARKING A RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LIKE THAT. MM-HMM. . SO, UM, I THINK WE PRIMARILY, WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT'S OUT THERE. NEED A NEW ONE? YEAH. . AMEN. MAYBE TWO VOLUMES. YEAH. POINTS WELL TAKEN. COMMISSIONER HUGGINS, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT SETTING A NUMBER AND I GUESS AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE PART OF THE PROCEDURAL HAND BARGAIN. MM-HMM. HANDBOOK. BUT, YOU KNOW, USING THE NUMBERS SUCH AS THREE EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD GIVE YOU TIME TO KIND OF OVERLAP AND NOT HAVE TO DO TWO AT A TIME, WHICH I, I DON'T, I SUPPOSE, I MEAN, WE DID IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF PUSHING, IT'S A BIG LIFT TO DO 'EM SIMULTANEOUSLY. AND I THINK, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN LOOK AT AS WE DEVELOP THIS PIPELINE IS, YOU KNOW, IS OUR WAY TO GET IT IN THE SYSTEM SO THAT YOU DO THE REVIEW OF ONE IN THE FIRST, UH, HALF OF THE YEAR AND THE, THE SECOND ONE, SECOND HALF, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 'CAUSE I'M SURE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW ALL THE WORK THAT WENT INTO IT ON STAFF SIDE, UM, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAD TWO READY TO GO SIMULTANEOUSLY, BUT I'M SURE THAT WAS, UM, A BIT OF A LIFT. IT MIGHT BE BETTER FOR US TO DO TWO AT A TIME BECAUSE OF NANCY BURGESS. IF SHE IS THE ONE WHO IS GOING TO FINALIZE THE SURVEY ON EACH ONE OF THE LANDMARKS, UM, YOU MIGHT WANNA [00:30:01] DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. YEAH, YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE. WELL, I'M GOING TO SEDONA, I AM GONNA LOOK AT TWO PROPERTIES. YEAH. SO I THINK ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT WHEN THE COMMISSION WAS CREATED IN, I BELIEVE 1998, THERE WAS A PARAMETER PLACED ON WHAT PERCENTAGE OF TIME STAFF COULD SPEND ON HPC. MM-HMM. . AND IT WAS CREATED AS A WORKING COMMISSION. SO THE LAST MAJOR SURVEY THAT WAS DONE, UH, AND SOME UNFORTUNATE STEVE'S NOT HERE BECAUSE I KNOW HE WAS ONE OF THE PRIME INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY WERE GOING OUT AND LOOKING AT ALL THE 1950S PROPERTIES AND IT WAS THE COMMISSIONERS DOING IT, COMING BACK WITH INFORMATION. SO IN YOUR PLANNING, YOU KNOW, AND YOU NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THAT STAFF WAS NOT INTENDED FOR STAFF TO BE DOING ALL OF THE WORK. AND THE COMMISSIONERS HAD THEIR OWN ROLE IF THEY WERE GONNA GO OUT AND DO SURVEY. NANCY BURGESS HAS BEEN BROUGHT IN TO SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING QUALIFIES FOR LANDMARK. THE BASIC SURVEYING OF EVERYTHING IN THE CITY WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY THE COMMISSION IN THE PAST. I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. AND, AND I'M REMISS IN NOT HAVING BROUGHT IT UP PREVIOUSLY. UM, BUT I DO THINK TOO, WE NEED TO, UH, ENSURE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ASKING TOO MUCH OF STAFF. UM, I DO THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, FINDING THAT BALANCE OF, OF NOT, NOT ABUSING STAFF, BUT USING THEM THE WAY THAT, THAT, UM, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE USED IS, IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALSO KEEP IN MIND AS WE THINK ABOUT HOW THIS WORKS. 'CAUSE IT'S EASY ENOUGH FOR US TO SIT UP HERE, UM, AT, AT THESE THREE SPOTS AND, AND SAY, YOU KNOW, GO DO IT . BUT IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING FOR, UH, THE HEAD OF A DEPARTMENT TO, UM, FIND THE TIME TO DO IT AND, AND, AND FOR THE FUTURE. I THINK WE NEED TO SPECIFY HOW WE'RE GOING TO ARCHIVE BECAUSE WE HAVE LOOKED FOR THINGS THAT WE KNOW WERE DONE IN THE PAST THAT WE CAN'T GET OUR HANDS ON. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THEY ARE. COULD, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER, COULD YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING IN THE PAST THAT, UH, WELL, A SIMPLE ONE WOULD BE THE INGER HOUSE. UM, WE WERE, UM, TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT THE INGER HOUSE, AND ESPECIALLY AFTER KENSAL WROTE THE BOOK MM-HMM. . AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MISSING, AND WE KNOW THEY WERE TAKEN, WERE PICTURES OF THE INTERIOR OF THAT HOUSE, AND IT HAD PERIOD FURNITURE IN IT AT THAT TIME. SO, UH, THOSE PICTURES ARE MISSING. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THEY ARE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. UH, IF I COULD GO BACK TO, UH, THE DISCUSSION OF BUDGETING, UH, AND, UM, FOR THE LANDMARKS AND, AND NANCY BURGESS'S SURVEYS, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT BASED UPON HER, UH, PAST INVOICES, UM, IT WOULD BE NICE, I'M SURE TO HAVE HER DUE TO IT ONCE, BUT I DON'T THINK, BASED UPON MONETARILY THAT THAT IS A TRUE CONCERN. MM-HMM. . SO, UM, THAT, UH, IF IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DO ONE FOR EACH HALF OF THE YEAR, UH, FOR OTHER REASONS, UM, THAT IN MY MIND, BASED UPON THE COST, UH, THE, OR THE POSSIBLE ADDITIONAL COST BASED UPON THE PAST INVOICES, THAT THAT SHOULD BE A, A, A MINOR CONSIDERATION, NOT A MAJOR CONSIDERATION. MM-HMM. , THANK YOU. MAKES SENSE. UM, SO AS WE, WE, UM, THINK ABOUT MOVING FORWARD, UM, QUESTION FOR STAFF, IS THERE AN ABILITY FOR THIS GROUP TO CREATE SUBCOMMITTEES? OR IS THAT NOT A POSSIBILITY? I, BECAUSE I'M, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW, HOW WE CREATE THIS PIPELINE AND, AND TO ME, DOING IT IN THIS SETTING IS NOT THE MOST CONDUCIVE THING WE COULD, WE COULD SIT HERE AND THE OPEN MEETING LAWS. YEAH. IF THE CHAIR OR THE COMMISSION APPOINTS A SUBCOMMITTEE, YOU [00:35:01] HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC NOTICE. AND EVEN FOR A SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING. YES. THE ONLY WORKING GROUP SUBCOMMITTEES THAT CAN FORMED WITHOUT THAT REQUIREMENT IS THE STAFF APPOINTS AND CREATES THE COMMITTEE. OKAY. IT'S THE COMMISSION OR THE CHAIR APPOINTS IT, THEN YOU HAVE TO HANDLE IT ANNOUNCEMENTS AHEAD OF TIME. AGENDAS. RIGHT. AND, AND AS I JUST SAID, WE'VE GOTTA KEEP IN MIND THE WHOLE, UH, NOT BEING A BURDEN ON STAFF . THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD CREATE A BIT OF A BURDEN ON STAFF. UM, STAFF CAN CREATE A WORKING GROUP. WHAT ABOUT IN INDIVIDUAL ASSIGNMENTS COMES FROM STAFF? IT'S OKAY. EVEN TWO PEOPLE IS CONSIDERED A COMMITTEE NOW, BUT I, I THINK WHAT YOU WERE DRIVING AT IS COULD WE SAY, COMMISSIONER HUGGINS, GO FORTH AND DO THIS ON YOUR OWN BY NEXT MEETING, COMMISSIONER FEENEY, GO FORTH AND DO THIS. AND, UH, WHEN WE RECONVENE, I WANT TO SAY YES, BUT I WOULD PROBABLY DEFER IT TO LEGAL . I KNOW PEOPLE CAN VOLUNTEER TO DO SOMETHING, BUT WHETHER IT DEPENDS ON WHO MAKES THAT ASSIGNMENT, LIKE ME, I'M NOT SURE. OKAY. PUBLIC MEETING LAWS ARE FUN AND, AND I, I THINK DONNA MADE A VERY GOOD DISTINCTION THERE. IT'S A DIFFERENCE, PERHAPS OF THE CHAIR SAYING, YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, THIS, THIS, OR SAYING, WE, WE HAVE THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF WILL VOLUNTEER FOR, FOR EACH ONE, SO. GOTCHA. UM, OKAY. IT'S BEEN FACT FINDING FOR ME. SO IS YOUR COMMISSION OF FIVE, YOU HAVE TO LIMIT THE PARTICIPATION OR YOU HAVE A QUORUM? MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. OF THE COMMISSION PARTICIPATING IN THE, WELL, MY, MY INITIAL THOUGHT WAS THAT DATING BACK TO MY EXPERIENCE, UM, A SUBCOMMITTEE OF TWO DID NOT REQUIRE, UM, OPEN MEETING. BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT'S DIFFERENT NOW. OKAY. OKAY. GOOD TO KNOW. GOOD TO KNOW. UM, IN THAT CASE, I WILL TAKE VOLUNTEERS WITH IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO PROCEED OR STAFF DIRECTION TO PUT TOGETHER A WORKING GROUP. I DON'T KNOW. UM, I DON'T KNOW. I'M, I'M AT A BIT OF A LOSS, UH, AT THIS POINT THEN TRYING TO NAVIGATE THE, UM, PUBLIC MEETING WISE. OKAY. UM, AND, AND I'M A LITTLE BIT FUZZY ON, UM, THE DIRECTION THERE ARE, ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANNA KNOW HOW TO PROCEED ON CREATING THE PROCEDURAL YES. PROCEDURAL. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE AGREED THAT THAT'S A NECESSARY THING. IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. UM, I THINK THE QUESTION IS HOW TO GET IT DONE. UM, AND, AND THAT'S I GUESS WHERE I'M A LITTLE STUCK AT THIS SURE. THIS VERY MOMENT. I, I THINK THAT, UM, WHAT NEEDS TO COME FIRST IS MY DISCUSSION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL, UH, ON WHAT THAT DOCUMENT WOULD BE, WHERE IT WOULD BE PLACED, AND WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE FOR THAT. AND ONCE I FIND THAT OUT, THEN UM, WE CAN ALL, I CAN ALSO DISCUSS THAT, UH, THE NEXT STEP WITH HIM AND HOW DO WE GET THAT DONE THEN? OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. OKAY. THEN THAT'S THE DIRECTIVE WE HAVE FOR NOW IS STAFF WILL CONSULT LEGAL, UM, WHICH MEANS WE NEED TO SET A MEETING DATE FAIRLY SOON IF WE'RE GONNA GET THIS DONE. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE FUTURE MEETING DATES, AND I DON'T OH, SURE. YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE WANNA PUSH THIS BACK TOO FAR. NO, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. UM, NO, I, I THINK THIS IS, I MEAN, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, UH, WHICH PROPERTIES WE'RE LOOKING AT NEXT. THAT'S, I I THINK THERE'S TWO PATHS WE NEED TO BE ON AT THE MOMENT IS HOW DO WE SET OURSELVES UP FOR HOW TO MOVE FORWARD IN GENERAL? MM-HMM. . AND, [00:40:01] UM, IN THE MEANTIME, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE LOOKING NEXT? YEAH. AND, AND BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE HAVE, RECOGNIZING WE DON'T HAVE THE MOST UP TO DATE INFORMATION, BUT THAT THERE IS GOOD INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN. AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO, UM, PROCEED WITH THE NEXT ONES? WELL, THERE'S SOME, SOME WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE IN CF A UPTOWN, I BELIEVE. STEVE, HOW MUCH HAS BEEN DONE IN UPTOWN, DO YOU KNOW? UH, A GOOD PORTION OF THE CFA, UM, WAS WORKED ON SEVERAL YEARS AGO. UM, OBVIOUSLY IT WAS NEVER APPROVED. MM-HMM. . UM, SO, AND I'M SORRY, I WAS WRITING NOTES HERE. I DIDN'T HEAR THE WHOLE QUESTION. NO, THAT, THAT'S OKAY. I, I KNOW THAT, UH, I THINK CYNTHIA WAS THE ONE WHO CORRECT. SPEARHEADED THE, THAT CFA. MM-HMM. . AND, UH, AND WE WERE CONSIDERING, UH, PARTICULARLY, UM, MID-CENTURY PROPERTY THAT'S UP THERE AND WHAT WOULD QUALIFY. AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF, AGAIN, IN THE ARCHIVES, , WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS DONE, SO, OKAY. UM, SO THE CFA WOULD'VE BEEN A, A, A MORE BROAD DOCUMENT. CORRECT. AND, UM, AND SO YOU'RE, LOOK, AND I'M SORRY, I'M TRYING TO PIECE THIS TOGETHER. MM-HMM. . UM, SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ANY INFORMATION OUT OF THAT UPTOWN CFA THAT MIGHT HAVE IDENTIFIED, UH, DIRECTION ON HISTORIC PROPERTIES WITHIN UPTOWN? CORRECT. OKAY. I KNEW WHAT I JUST HAD TO REPEAT . I JUST DON'T WANNA RECREATE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ALREADY USE. GOOD POINT. GOOD POINT. GOOD POINT. UM, I, YEAH, I DUNNO, I DUNNO THAT I HAVE MUCH MORE TO ADD TO THE CURRENT CONVERSATION. UM, COMMISSIONER HUGGINS? NO. OKAY. SO YOU LEANING TOWARDS THE MIC, IT'S LIKE, HERE HE COMES, COMING IN HOT. NO, COME. COMMISSIONER FEENEY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO ADD TO THIS CONVERSATION? I DO NOT. OKAY. UM, THEN STAFF HAS DIRECTION, UM, TO, TO GET DIRECTION, UH, LEGALLY SPEAKING. YES. AND THEN THAT WILL TELL US WHERE WE CAN GO. UH, AS FAR AS THE NEXT POINT WITH DISCUSSION OF FUTURE MEETING DATES, UM, TO ME, I'D LIKE TO KEEP ON THE BOOKS THAT MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 9TH MEETING, UM, IF, IF ALL ARE AMENABLE TO THAT, UM, IDEALLY WE HAVE, UH, SOME DIRECTION FROM LEGAL COUNSEL AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO KEEP THESE DISCUSSIONS GOING BECAUSE THE CITY WILL BE STARTING TO GO INTO THEIR BUDGET CYCLE, UM, MID MID SEPTEMBER MM-HMM. , GIVE OR TAKE. SO, UM, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO, TO HAVE THAT MEETING AND, AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS AND HOPEFULLY WE HAVE SOME ANSWERS AND WE CAN, UM, OPTIMISTICALLY I'D LIKE TO SAY WE, WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF SET A PLAN FOR, FOR MOVING FORWARD FROM THERE. UM, SET A PLAN TO MAKE A PLAN , UM, AND THEN, UM, WE CAN GET BACK TO THE FUN WORK OF TALKING HISTORY. YES. JUST AS A SUGGESTION NOW. FAIR. YOU HAVE A MUTE BUTTON BACK THERE? YEAH. , WHY DON'T WE HAVE A MUTE BUTTON? I A MUTE BUTTON. UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA DISCUSS BUDGET, I BELIEVE WHEN WE DID THE LAST CYCLE, I GAVE YOU A, A WORKSHEET THAT SHOWED THE HPC BUDGET. THAT'S CORRECT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU STILL HAVE THAT. IF NOT, I CAN SEND OUT ANOTHER COPY, BUT IT, IT MIGHT BE TIMELY. 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW FROM ONE MONTH TO THE NEXT, IF YOU'RE GONNA MEET IN OCTOBER OR HAVE A BREAK, LET'S YEAH. THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU TO RUN THROUGH AND GIVE US FEEDBACK AS TO WHAT YOU SEE SO WE'RE NOT DELAYED AND YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO DO IT AT THE LAST MINUTE. CAN WE ENSURE THAT'S A, A BULLET POINT OR AN AGENDA ITEM ON THE NEXT AGENDA, THEN BUDGET DISCUSSION. VERY POSSIBLE. , BUT IT, IT JUST MIGHT BE TIMELY TO DO IT IF YOU'RE GONNA MEET INSTEAD I'M STATING IT FOR THE MINUTES. . SO WHEN IT COMES TIME TO BUILD THE AGENDA, WE CAN LOOK BACK AT THE MINUTES AND SAY, DID WE SAY WE NEEDED ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA? YES. YES WE DID. [00:45:01] , DO YOU, DO YOU NEED ME TO SEND YOU ANOTHER COPY OF THAT THAT I PREPARED? I THINK I PROBABLY HAVE IT HERE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD ALSO BE GOOD IF YOU JUST SENT IT OUT AGAIN. OKAY. YEAH, WILL DO. AND THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION. DID THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY MORE, UH, ITEMS THAT THEY WANTED TO PLACE ON NEXT? UH, MEETING'S AGENDA AS WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS, I REQUESTED, UM, THAT WE GET, UM, QUARTERLY UPDATES ON THE RANGER STATION, UM, RATHER THAN MONTHLY UPDATES WHERE THEY MIGHT COME IN AND SAY, HEY, LOOK AT SOME PRETTY PICTURES. BUT, UH, NOTHING MUCH HAS HAPPENED. UM, SO I REQUESTED QUARTERLY UPDATES, UM, WITH, UM, UH, MORE FREQUENT IF, IF AND WHEN THINGS CHANGE, LIKE DRAMATICALLY LIKE BIG MILESTONES COME UP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IF WE FEEL WE NEED MORE FREQUENT, WE CAN WE'LL MAKE A REQUEST. SO DON'T GET TOO COMFORTABLE SAYING IT , WE'LL HAVE VOLUNTEERS RUNNING AROUND . SO AS I HAVE IT, UH, NOW THE TWO AGENDA ITEMS WILL BE THE, THE CONTINUATION OF THIS DISCUSSION. UH, SO I CAN, UH, UH, BRING FORTH TO YOU WHAT I'VE LEARNED FROM LEGAL, UM, AND YOU CAN USE THAT IN FURTHERING YOUR DISCUSSION AT THAT MEETING. YES. AND THEN THE, UH, DISCUSSION OF NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. GREAT. UM, AND AS WE THINK ABOUT THE BUDGET TOO AND, AND WITH RECEIVING GRANTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UM, HOW DOES THAT WORK AS FAR AS BUILDING THE BUDGET? UH, IF WE PLAN TO GO GET GRANTS? IF, IF, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF IT DOESN'T COME THROUGH OR, OR WHATEVER. RIGHT. AND, AND, UM, I'M SURE THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAS A MUCH BETTER IDEA OF THIS BECAUSE THEIR GRANTS AND THEIR BUDGETS AND THEIR PROJECTS ARE MUCH BIGGER. MM-HMM. , UM, IN THIS CASE, I THINK THAT, UH, AT LEAST IN THE BEGINNING, IF WE DON'T KNOW OF THESE GRANTS, THAT WE WOULD PUT THE MONIES INTO THE BUDGET AND THEN IF WE CAN GET GRANT MONEY TO SUPERSEDE THAT, UM, GREAT. THEN, THEN WE COME WAY UNDER BUDGET AND THAT'S BUDGET. AT LEAST THE MONEY IS THERE IF WE CAN'T PROCURE THAT, THAT GRANT. GOT IT. OKAY. THAT ANSWERS MY IN ELOQUENTLY WORDED, UH, QUESTION. I DIDN'T TAKE THAT LONG. . THANK YOU. DO WE KNOW IF THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND HISTORICAL SOCIETY CONTINUES THROUGH THIS FISCAL YEAR OR WHAT THE, THE DATE IS ON THAT? YES. UH, IT WAS A THREE YEAR, UH, THREE YEAR AGREEMENT. THREE YEAR. SO LAST YEAR? THIS YEAR? NEXT YEAR. NEXT YEAR. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEP. WE'RE IN THE SECOND YEAR OF THE THREE NOW. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? OKAY. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS AS WE JUST DISCUSSED. NEXT MEETING WILL BE MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 9TH, FOUR O'CLOCK. UH, RIGHT HERE. UH, WE DO NOT NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT I'M AWARE OF. UH, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ADJOURNMENT. THANKS EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. IT'S, UH, 4 49 OFFICIALLY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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