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[1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL]
EVENING OR AFTERNOON, EVERYONE I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.THE DATE IS, UH, TWO TUESDAY, AUGUST 20TH, 2024, AND IT'S FOUR 30.
AND IF YOU'LL ALL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I PLEDGE.
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICES FOR ALL.
[2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF COMMISSIONERS.UH, I HAVE JUST TWO ITEMS. UH, THE FIRST IS I WANTED TO THANK THE CITY AND STAFF AND COUNCIL AND THE BUDGET FOR, UH, UNDERWRITING THE COST FOR COMMISSIONERS TO ATTEND THE STATEWIDE A PA CONFERENCE, EITHER VIRTUALLY OR IN PERSON.
AND WE HAVE ONE OF EACH, UNLESS ANY MORE, HAVE SAID THEY WERE GONNA DO THAT.
AND, UH, AS ADVERTISED, THERE ARE THREE VACANCIES THAT ON THE COMMISSION THAT WILL BECOME AVAILABLE IN NOVEMBER.
UH, COMMISSIONER GEORGE GRAHAM HAS SERVED TWO LAUDABLE TERMS AND HAS DECIDED NOT TO BE CONSIDERED FOR A THIRD.
AND WE WILL SAY OUR GOODBYES IN I GUESS, OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER.
SO, UM, AND WE HAVE TWO, UH, COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE, UM, INDICATED THAT THEY WISH TO BE RECONSIDERED FOR REAPPOINTMENT.
SO THE, THERE ISN'T A DEADLINE FOR APPLYING, BUT THOSE INTERVIEWS WILL PROBABLY TAKE PLACE IN OCTOBER, MAYBE SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER.
THEY'RE TYPICALLY IN SEPTEMBER SO THAT THEY CAN BE APPOINTED BY THE END OF OCTOBER.
SO, UH, IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE IS LISTENING OR IN THE AUDIENCE THAT MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE IN MIND, I THINK THE COMMISSION WOULD BENEFIT FROM EITHER A CONTRACTOR OR AN ARCHITECT.
UH, WE CAN'T REPLACE GEORGE BECAUSE HE WAS AN EXPERT IN HYDROLOGY AND ENGINEERING, BUT, UM, PLEASE HAVE YOUR FRIENDS CONSIDER THIS AND CONSIDER YOURSELVES.
WE'LL CLOSE THAT ITEM AND MOVE ON TO CHAIR.
I'M SORRY, I HAD A COUPLE STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS.
AN UPDATE TO A PROJECT, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY COUNT BY THE COMMISSION, WERE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL LAST WEEK.
THOSE WERE THE CHICKENS AND THE PURPOSE STATEMENT, URBAN AGRICULTURE.
UM, AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THE VOLUNTEER APPRECIATION BRUNCH IS TOMORROW.
SO IF YOU ARE CCPD, PLEASE REMEMBER TO COME.
[3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES:]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES.JULY 16TH, 2024, REGULAR MEETING.
IF THERE ARE, UH, NO SUGGESTIONS OR CHANGES TO THOSE MINUTES, THEY STAND APPROVED.
MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC FORUM.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS SECTION 38 DASH 4 31 0 1 H.
ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
A COUPLE OF THE CARDS THAT I HAVE HAVE NOT LISTED THE ITEM THEY WISH TO SPEAK TO, SO I WILL JUST VERIFY THAT THEY'RE NOT FOR THIS PUBLIC FORM, BUT THEY ARE FOR AGENDA.
UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CLOTH AND FLAME.
OKAY, NOW I'LL CLOSE, UH, THAT AGENDA ITEM.
[5.a. Public Hearing/Discussion/Possible Action regarding a request for a Conditional Use Permit to use an outdoor area for weddings, private, corporate, and community events (Cloth and Flame). The property is currently zoned CF (Community Facilities) and is located at 995 Airport Road (APN 408-27-001A) (135 Shrine Road).]
THE SINGLE AGENDA ITEM THAT WE HAVE FOR DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION TONIGHT.NUMBER FIVE, CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES,
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A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO USE AN OUTDOOR AREA FOR WEDDINGS, PRIVATE, CORPORATE AND COMMUNITY EVENTS, CLOTH AND FLAME.THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED CF COMMUNITY FACILITIES AND IS LOCATED AT 9 9 5 AIRPORT ROAD, ARIZONA PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 8 DASH 27 DASH 0 0 1 A 1 3 5 SHRINE ROAD.
AND I JUST WANNA TAKE A MOMENT FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAKE TO, UM, UM, EXPLAIN HOW A PUBLIC HEARING IS, UH, CONDUCTED AND AT WHAT POINT THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO, UM, VOICE YOUR OPINIONS, CONCERNS, OR SUGGESTIONS.
SO, UH, WE LEAD OFF WITH STAFF PROVIDING AN OVERVIEW.
IS THE APPLICANT GOING TO PRESENT TONIGHT? YES.
AND AFTER BOTH OF THOSE PRESENTATIONS, THEN THE COMMISSION WILL ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF AND THE APPLICANT.
THEN, UM, EXCUSE ME, THEN WE WILL MOVE TO THE PUBLIC FORUM PART OF THE MEETING, AT WHICH POINT YOU CAN SPEAK FOR UP TO THREE MINUTES AT THE PODIUM THERE, AND THERE'S A TIMER ON THE WALL TO HELP YOU STAY WITHIN THOSE LIMITS.
IF YOU INTEND TO DO SO, BE SURE TO FILL OUT ONE OF THESE CARDS SO THAT WE CAN CALL UPON YOU.
THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION, AND, UM, TAKE A VOTE.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UM, GIVE A, AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT THAT IS, UM, BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, AS ALWAYS, THE, YOU WERE PROVIDED WITH A STAFF REPORT, AND SO DON'T WANNA, UM, GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL, BUT, UM, I'M GONNA GIVE THE OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR FOLLOW UP, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
UM, SO THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, THE USE IS CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED IN THE CF ZONE.
THERE ARE NO USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS USED TO REVIEW A USE TO POTENTIALLY INCLUDE CONDITIONS TO MITIGATE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF THE USE.
AND IT CAN ALSO INCLUDE A TIMEFRAME OR AN EXPIRATION DATE FOR THAT USE.
UM, SO THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 9 9 5 AIRPORT ROAD.
UM, IT'S THE ENTIRETY OF THE TOP OF AIRPORT MESA IS THE PROPERTY.
AND SO WHEN YOU SEE THE 1 35 SHRINE ROAD, THAT IS AN ADDRESS THAT THE, THAT THE AIRPORT HAS ASSIGNED, UM, AS IT'S ONE PARCEL.
THE CITY HAS JUST THE ONE ADDRESS FOR THE PARCEL, BUT IN ORDER TO, FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE THEIR WAY AROUND UP THERE, THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE VARIOUS ROADS AND STUFF UP THERE.
SO THE 1 35 IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ASSIGNED BY THE AIRPORT, BUT NOT THE OFFICIAL ADDRESS.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS CLOTH AND FLAME.
AND THE AREA THAT'S UNDER DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR, FOUR ACRES OF THE AIRPORT PROPERTY.
THE WHOLE AIRPORT PROPERTY IS ABOUT, IS OVER 200 ACRES.
UM, AGAIN, THE PROPERTY UNDER CONSIDERATION TONIGHT IS JUST ABOUT THE, THE FOUR ACRES IN THE VICINITY OF THE OLD MASONIC LODGE.
UM, THE CURRENT LAND USE IS A MEETING FACILITY, WHICH IS IN THE BUILDING.
UM, AND THAT'S THE INTERIOR USE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THE CUP IS BEING APPLIED FOR, FOR THE OUTDOOR USE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEY HAVE GOTTEN A HANDFUL OF TS, UM, BUT THIS CUP WOULD ALLOW THE USE TO CONTINUE ON A MORE PERMANENT BASIS THAN THE TS ALLOW FOR.
UM, SO THIS WHOLE AIRPORT PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE WITH THE AREA, UM, UNDER CONSIDERATION, KIND OF IN THIS GREEN CIRCLE HERE.
UM, JUST AS A CLARIFICATION, THIS IS NOT A ACTUALLY SEPARATE PARCEL.
IT IS A PARCEL THAT WAS CREATED FOR THE, UM, FOR THE HOTEL THAT IS UP THERE, BECAUSE THAT WENT THROUGH A SEPARATE REZONING.
UM, LEGALLY IT IS ALL ONE PARCEL, BUT THIS, YOU SEE THIS EXTRA LITTLE LINE HERE BECAUSE THAT PORTION OF THE AIRPORT PROPERTY HAS A DIFFERENT ZONING THAN THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT YELLOW, THIS EXTRA YELLOW LINE IS NOT INDI INDICATIVE OF A SEPARATE PARCEL JUST FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES.
BUT THIS IS THE AERIAL WHERE YOU SEE THE ROAD, UM, AIRPORT ROAD COMING UP HERE.
UM, THE RUNWAYS ARE OUT HERE, AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA IN THE GREEN CIRCLE.
UM, THIS IS A SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED FOR THEIR, UM, WITH THEIR APPLICATION.
YOU SEE THE BUILDING, UM, ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE SITE, THE PARKING LOT ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION.
AND THEN THIS, UM, PIECE APPEARS THE STAGE THAT HAS, HAS BEEN
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IN PLACE SINCE THE MASONIC LODGE WAS USING THE SPACE.SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO ALLOW FOR OUTDOOR EVENTS AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, AS OUTLINED IN THE PROPOSAL, THEY'RE PROPOSING UP TO 120 EVENTS PER YEAR, UM, BROKEN OUT BETWEEN WEDDINGS, CORPORATE SOCIAL EVENTS, AND COMMUNITY EVENTS.
UM, THEY HAVE AN AVERAGE SIZE OR WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING OF 120 PEOPLE, UM, WITH SOME DIFFERENT VARIATIONS IN THERE FOR LARGER GROUPS AND SMALLER GROUPS.
AND THE APPLICANT, I'M SURE WILL GET INTO SOME OF THE MORE OF THOSE DETAILS AS WELL.
UM, THE SITE AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS HAS 41 PARKING SPACES.
UM, OVERFLOW PARKING WHEN NEEDED IS AVAILABLE AT THE AIRPORT OVERLOOK.
UM, AND THEN PRIVATE GROUPS THAT USE THE SPACE THAT NEED MORE THAN THAT PARKING WOULD BE REQUIRED TO USE A SHUTTLE SERVICE.
UM, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ONLY PROPOSING SOME MINOR LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS, BUT ANYTHING THAT ELSE THAT THEY DO TO THE BUILDING WOULD BE REVIEWED BY STAFF AND WOULD EITHER NEED TO GET THE PROPER BUILDING PERMITS OR IF IT'S A CHANGE TO THE SITE PLAN, WOULD NEED TO COME BACK FOR A CUP AMENDMENT.
UM, BUT UNDER THIS APPLICATION, OTHER THAN MINOR LANDSCAPING, THEY TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LEVELING SOME AREAS OF THE LOT AND CLEARING OUT SOME OF THE WEEDS.
THERE'S NO, UM, SIGNIFICANT SITE CHANGES BEING PROPOSED.
UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING THAT WHEN THEY DO HAVE AMPLIFIED SOUND, THE SPEAKERS WOULD FACE SOUTH AND ACTIVITIES OUTSIDE THAT ARE USING THAT AMPLIFIED SOUND WOULD END OR MOVE INSIDE BY 9:00 PM AND THE LIGHTING THAT THEY HAVE INSTALLED FOR THE SITE IS FULLY SHIELDED AND CODE COMPLIANT.
UM, SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THE REVIEW CRITERIA, AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING.
UM, SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT HOW WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING COMPLIES WITH ALL OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE CODE.
UM, SO WE'RE JUST REALLY LOOKING AT THE, UM, FINDINGS IN THE LAND IN ARTICLE EIGHT THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO ALL DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS.
AND OUR EVALUATION OF THAT WAS, AGAIN, INCLUDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
UM, SO FOR PUBLIC INPUT, UM, DID WANNA TOUCH ON THIS, WHEN THE STANDARD, UM, NOTIFICATION RADIUS FOR ANY PROJECT IS PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET.
WHEN WE DID THAT NOTIFICATION FOR THIS PROPERTY, WE ONLY GOT FOREST SERVICE LAND, WHICH WE DID NOT FEEL WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE NOTIFICATION RADIUS FOR THE PROJECT.
SO IT WAS EXPANDED TO INCLUDE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE FOREST SERVICE BOUNDARY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF AIRPORT MESA.
WE FELT THAT THOSE WOULD LIKELY BE THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS.
SO WE DID EXPAND THE NOTIFICATION RADIUS.
WE DIDN'T JUST STICK WITH OUR STANDARD 300 FEET AND ONLY NOTIFY THE FOREST SERVICE.
SO WE DID MAKE SURE THAT WE INCLUDED ACTUAL PROPERTY OWNERS.
THE APPLICANT USED THAT SAME NOTIFICATION LIST IN THEIR CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN.
UM, AND ALL OF THE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION THAT WE'VE GOTTEN.
AND THEY GENERALLY INVOLVED, UM, A NUMBER OF THE SAME COMMENTS ABOUT NOISE AND TRAFFIC, LIGHTING NUMBER EVENTS, HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO IN RESPONSE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT RECEIVED, THE APPLICANT AMENDED THEIR APPLICATION, AND THAT IS THE ONE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
SO THERE WAS AN EARLIER VERSION OF THE APPLICATION THAT SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE, UM, BASED ON THE APPLICANT HAS AMENDED THEIR APPLICATION TO PROVIDE MORE CLARITY, TO PROVIDE SOME MORE, UM, PARAMETERS FOR WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
THEY PROVIDED, UM, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING TIME OF THE EVENTS, NUMBER OF THE EVENTS, THE SETUP, SOUND CONTROL MEASURES, PARKING STRATEGIES, AND ALL OF THAT.
AND THAT IS THE FINAL APPLICATION AGAIN, THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU.
UM, IN ADDITION STAFF IN RESPONSE AND, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO THOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS INCLUDED A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UM, INCLUDING SOME ANNUAL REPORTING REQUIREMENTS, UM, ENSURING THAT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON SITE DON'T, DOESN'T EXCEED THE TOTAL OCCUPANCY OF THE BUILDING.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS CONCERNS THAT WITH THE OUTSIDE USE, THEY WOULD INCREASE BEYOND POTENTIALLY THE EXPECTED NUMBER OF PEOPLE BASED ON THE BUILDING OCCUPANCY.
UM, IF THERE ARE SUBSTANTIATED COMPLAINTS, UM, REGARDING THE USE, THERE IS A PROVISION THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD NEED TO GET INVOLVED AND POTENTIALLY ATTEND THE EVENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE, THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WE DID.
UM, WE ARE RECOMMENDING AN EXPIRATION DATE OF DECEMBER 31ST, 2025, WHICH IS JUST NEXT DECEMBER.
SO WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR TO, UM, WORK, HOPEFULLY, UM, FOLLOW THE CONDITIONS AND WE CAN THEN REEVALUATE IT THEN TO SEE IF, UM, IT'S STILL WOULD STILL BE AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS SITE.
UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION, THE STANDARD CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIRES THAT THEY OPERATE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED.
SO EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THEIR LETTER OF INTENT AND EVERYTHING THEY COMMITTED TO WOULD BE INCORPORATED BY JUST THE STANDARD CONDITIONS.
SO WE DIDN'T RESTATE ALL OF THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE INCORPORATED BY REFERENCE.
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ON THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, SUBJECT TO THE, UM, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.AND WITH THAT, THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION AND THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL.
HI EVERYONE, YOU CAN COME TO THE TABLE.
ACTUALLY, YOU SHOULD KIND OF READ YOU MY, UH, APPLICATION AND THEN STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE AND CITY OF ADDRESS AFFILIATION WITH CLOTH AND FLAME.
YOU JUST USE THE MOUSE TO, OH, THANK YOU.
OH, YOU, YOU HAVE IT ALL SET UP FOR ME.
I'M MY, MY CITY, UH, OF ADDRESSES, SEDONA, ARIZONA.
UM, I'M VERY NERVOUS IF YOU, IF YOU CAN'T TELL
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA GET RIGHT INTO IT.
THIS IS BASICALLY AN UPDATED VERSION OF OUR APPLICATION, UM, TO YOU ALL.
AND, UH, WE JUST ADDED SOME PICTURES SO EVERYONE CAN SEE WHAT WE ACTUALLY DO.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LITTLE WHILE, SO EXCITED TO SHARE IT WITH YOU.
UM, SO WE, WE GO INTO A LITTLE HISTORY OF THE FREEMASONS PROPERTY.
OBVIOUSLY THEY HAD A 50 YEAR LEASE TO UTILIZE A PROPERTY, AND WE WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO GET BACK TO THE ORIGINAL USE CASE THAT THE FREEMASONS HAD THERE, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY, UM, IT IS STILL IS A COMMUNITY FACILITY, BUT WE WANT TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER ON THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING PRIVATE EVENTS, CORPORATE, UM, AND, UH, AND WEDDINGS, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING ON THE PROPERTY, UM, AS THEY BUILT THE, SORRY, I'M JUST TRYING TO, I HAVE WILLY-NILLY WRITTEN IN THERE, WHICH IS SO FUNNY.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA GONNA GO AHEAD AND READ IT.
SO WE DO NOT SEE THIS AS PERMISSION TO DO WHATEVER WE WANT WILLY-NILLY, AND WE MAKE OUR PLANS TO KEEP THIS SPACE OUT OR BELOW THE AMBIENT NOISE MADE BY BIRDS AND WIND IN THE NEAREST NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, CLEAR THROUGHOUT THE APPLICATION.
WE STILL SEE THIS AS THIS HISTORY IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE STORY OF THIS PLACE.
AND WORTHY OF MENTION, WE'VE SEPARATELY ATTAIN OBTAINED AS TENANT OCCUPANCY PERMIT.
UM, AS CARRIE MENTIONED FOR THE BUILDING, THE APPROVED BUILDING OCCUPANCY USE CATEGORY WAS AN IS CONFERENCE MEETING FACILITY.
SO WE'RE ALREADY APPROVED FOR A MEETING FACILITY IN THE BUILDING.
UM, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US.
UM, WE ARE KIND OF TWO COMPANIES IN ONE.
HAROLD COOLEY IS THE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY THAT IS ERIC CARROLL, UM, WHO'S NOT HERE TODAY, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT PARTNER ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN MYSELF, MATT COOLEY, MY WIFE, OLIVIA LA UM, AND WE CAME TOGETHER, UM, TO APPLY FOR THIS, THIS, UM, SORRY, EXCUSE ME, UM, TO APPLY FOR THE, THE, UM, RFP WITH THE AIRPORT A COUPLE YEARS AGO NOW.
UM, WE'VE BEEN LIVING IN SEDONA SINCE, SORRY, I'M JUST TRYING TO KIND OF READ AND KIND OF PERIPHERAL, BUT WE BOUGHT OUR HOME IN SEDONA IN 2020.
ERIC HAS LIVED HERE SINCE TWO, 2018.
UM, AND, UH, WHAT WAS I GONNA SAY? WE HAVE, WE HAVE A COUPLE LOCAL EMPLOYEES, BUT WE'D LIKE TO EMPLOY MORE PEOPLE AS A RESULT OF THIS, UM, OF THIS CUP APPLICATION AND, AND HOPEFUL APPROVAL.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A LOT OF INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS THAT COME FROM THE VERDE VALLEY, UM, THAT COME FROM COTTONWOOD, UM, FROM SEDONA PROPER, UM, AND FLAGSTAFF.
SO WE HAVE ABOUT HUNDREDS OF, OF INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS, THE MANAGED MARKETING, SALES, AND OPERATION OF THE EVENTS ON PROPERTY.
UM, WE, I'M, I WON'T KEEP ON READING TO YOU, BUT JUST A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT CLOTH AND FLAME.
WE STARTED TO POP UP DINING COMPANY, UM, SEVEN YEARS AGO.
UM, WE REALIZED THAT IN ORDER TO KEEP ON DOING THE WORK WE WERE DOING, WHICH WAS BASICALLY WILDERNESS AND UNIQUE LOCATION DINNERS, UM, WE NEEDED TO START REALLY THINKING ABOUT THE LONG-TERM USE OF, OF PROPERTY AND HOW PROPERTY IS USED OVER TIME.
SO WE STARTED PARTNERING WITH MULTI-GENERATIONAL RANCHES, UM, ADAPTIVE REUSE DEVELOPERS WHO REALLY THINK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF PLACES AND THINK ABOUT HOW BUILDINGS CAN BE TELL STORIES OVER TIME AND, AND HOW, UM, AND, AND PROTECTING THESE BEAUTIFUL, HISTORICAL, ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT, UM, AND OTHERWISE SPACES.
SO WE'VE PARTNERED WITH TIUS AND WEST.
UM, WE, WE, WE HAVE A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH ARIZONA STATE PARKS.
WE'RE THE ONLY OPERATOR OF SIDE ROCK, STATE PARK, UM, PRIVATE EVENTS FOR A LONG TIME.
WE MANAGE ALL OF THE, UH, EVENTS AT THE FORMER, FORMER GARLANDS LODGE, WHICH IS NOW, UM, ORCHARD CANYON.
THAT'S OUR OLDEST PROPERTY IN SEDONA.
UM, WE MANAGE A PROPERTY, THE EVENTS AT, AT CREEKSIDE, WHICH, WHICH IS THE AREA ADJACENT TO THE, UH, TROUT FARM, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
OAK CREEK CANYON, THEY'RE ALSO APPLYING FOR A CUP, SO YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR.
BUT, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE BASICALLY BUILT THIS SYSTEM WHERE WE BRING PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO REMARKABLE PLACES TO PROTECT THOSE PLACES OVER TIME.
UM, ARIZONA HAS SOME OF THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF, OF, UH, OF, OF UNOCCUPIED, UH, REMARKABLE LIKE HISTORICAL OR, UM, SCENIC, SCENIC AND, AND WILDER SPACE IN THE, IN THE COUNTRY.
AND, UH, OUR WORK REALLY ALLOWS PEOPLE ACCESS TO THAT.
SO IT'S TOP OF MIND FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
AND WE'VE BROUGHT SOME, YOU KNOW, UH, THREE, $3 MILLION A YEAR INTO THE PROPERTIES THAT WE PARTNER WITH.
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MOST OF WHICH ARE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS.UM, WE HAVE ONE IN NEVADA, TWO IN UTAH, AND TWO IN CALIFORNIA.
UM, WHEN I SAY VENUES, SOME OF THOSE ARE JUST RANCHES, YOU KNOW, UH, LITTLE DESERT SPACE, UM, BUT PRETTY COOL LITTLE BUSINESS.
UM, WE'VE HOSTED 36 EVENTS ON THE PROPERTY SO FAR, AND CARRIE PROBABLY HAS A LUMP IN HER THROAT BECAUSE SHE'S THINKING YOU DIDN'T APPLY FOR THAT MANY, UM, TPS.
'CAUSE A QUESTION CAME TO ME A LITTLE BIT EARLIER TODAY ABOUT THAT FACT.
WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THAT IT WAS NECESSARY FOR US TO APPLY FOR TPS IN THE EARLY DAYS.
THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, DISCUSSION AROUND THIS.
WE APPLIED, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WORK WITH THE AIRPORT AND THE AIRPORT, UM, STARTED WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO FIGURE THIS WHOLE THING OUT.
AND THE CITY GOT INVOLVED AND SAID, HEY, YOU NEED TO INCLUDE US.
AND WE WERE KIND OF BEING DRAGGED THIS WAY IN THAT, IN THE WHOLE PROCESS, IN THAT PROCESS, WE WERE APPLYING WITH THE COUNTY FOR, FOR USE PERMITS AND DID NOT REALIZE UNTIL KERRY BASICALLY CONTACTED US AND SAID, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
YOU NEED TO BE APPLYING FOR TPS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS THAT WE STARTED APPLYING FOR THEM.
AND ALL THE EVENTS THAT I THINK ALL THE EVENTS WE'VE DONE IN 2024 HAVE BEEN PROPERLY, UM, PERMITTED THROUGH THE TUP PROCESS.
UM, SO WE HAVE SOME, SOME, SOME ACTUAL, UM, STRUCTURED MONITORED EVENTS UNDER OUR BELT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF EVENTS UNDER OUR BELT THAT, UM, THAT NO ONE KNEW ABOUT BECAUSE WE'RE VERY QUIET.
UM, IT'S JUST AN INTERESTING THING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE NEVER ACTUALLY HAD A COMPLAINT DURING AN EVENT TIME.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT IS WORTHY OF MENTION.
SO, UM, OUR AVERAGE GUEST SIZE OR GROUP SIZE OVER THE LAST, UM, YEAR AND A HALF OR SO THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS, UM, HAS BEEN 89 GUESTS.
THE LARGEST EVENT WE EVER HOSTED ON THE SITE WAS ONE FOR 150 GUESTS, AND IT WAS A, AN INDIAN WEDDING.
AND IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO AN INDIAN WEDDING OR SEEN ONE, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE QUITE THE PARTY.
BUT IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF OUR MITIGATION TACTICS BECAUSE NO ONE HEARD A THING.
WE WERE HANGING OUT ON PANORAMA DRIVE, WHICH IS THE NEAREST PUBLIC ROAD TO US ALL DAY LONG, JUST WITH THE DECIBEL METER, UM, LISTENING TO SEE IF WE COULD HEAR OURSELVES AT ALL AND ADJUSTING WHEN WE COULD.
UM, OUR EVENT COMPONENTS ARE BUILT OF, UH, OUR, OUR OWN STAFF.
WE HAVE A TEAM OF CHEFS, UM, AND CULINARY VENDORS.
WE ALSO USE OUTSIDE VENDORS FOR THINGS LIKE RENTALS, TABLES, CHAIRS, LOUNGE SEATING.
SOMEONE ASKED ME EARLIER AT THE MEETING AT THE, UM, MASONIC LODGE, IF WE USE, IF WE ALLOW OUTSIDE FOLKS TO HOST EVENTS ON OUR PROPERTIES.
AND, AND THE, THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS THAT WE CONDUCT ALL OF OUR EVENTS ON ALL OF OUR OWN PROPERTIES, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY LEVERAGE OUTSIDE VENDORS.
AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS, HAS A VISION FOR AN EVENT, UM, THAT WOULDN'T INCLUDE US IN THE WAY THAT'S, THAT'S SH IN OUR, UH, CUP APPLICATION, WE WOULD APPLY FOR A TUP SEPARATELY FOR THAT, WHICH I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AT THE MEETING EARLIER TODAY.
SO BASICALLY IF VOR VOR DFE IS JUST A PERFECT EXAMPLE, 'CAUSE IT REALLY SCARED A LOT OF PEOPLE AND INTO THINKING THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO EVERY, UH, EVERY OTHER NIGHT.
UH, UP AT THE MESA, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO.
WE HOST, UH, SMALL DINING EVENTS TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, 50 TO 100 PEOPLE.
SO, UM, I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, VARIOUS MUSICIANS, USUALLY SINGLES OR DUOS THAT'LL BE LIKE A, LIKE A CELLIST OR A SINGLE ACOUSTIC GUITARIST, SINGER, THIS TYPE OF THING.
WE DON'T ALLOW DRUMS AT AT, AT MOST OF OUR SITES BECAUSE WE ARE ADJACENT TO COMMUNITIES EVERYWHERE WE OPERATE.
SO WE DON'T ALLOW DRUMS, WE DON'T ALLOW BASS GUITARS.
WE JUST DON'T, WE DON'T PLAY WITH THIS STUFF BECAUSE IT UPSETS THE COMMUNITY AND IT DOESN'T WORK FOR US.
UM, WE DO FUN STUFF LIKE ASTRONOMER SOUND HEALING.
WE'VE HAD THE, THE SAME SIZE OF TELESCOPE THAT DISCOVERED PLUTO UP ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS REMARKABLE.
WE'RE HAPPY TO BE A, A DARK SKY CITY.
UM, SO WE CAN HAVE A LOT OF FUN WITH THAT STUFF.
MOST OF EVENTS ARE CATERED BY OUR CHEFS.
ALL CATERING, UH, OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY WILL SET UP ITS OWN TEMPORARY SATELLITE KITCHEN.
SO WE BUILD A, UM, THERE'S STEEL TABLES WITH A BEAUTIFUL LOOKING FACADE.
IT DOESN'T LOOK UNLIKE, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS HERE.
AND WE JUST BUILD THIS STRUCTURE, UM, TO COOK THE MEALS AND IT'S ALL PERMITTED THROUGH, UM, YFA PI COUNTY OF COURSE.
SO IF SOMEBODY ELSE WERE TO CATER ON THE PROPERTY, THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS AND THEY'D BE WORKING WITH US.
THERE'S A LOT OF TEXTS HERE, BUT I'LL JUST KIND OF GET RIGHT INTO IT.
THE ONLY THING THAT WE EVENTUALLY EVER WANT TO DO, AND WE WANT TO THROW EVERY IDEA THAT WE EVER HAD FOR THE PROPERTY INTO OUR CUP APPLICATION, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT PURSUING IT IN APPLICATION NUMBER ONE, ARE THE EVENTUAL BEARING OF THE POWER LINE TO THE BUILDING.
THAT'S THE, THE CUTAWAY FROM THE POWER LINE THAT RUNS DOWN THE HILL THAT CONNECTS, AND I'LL SHOW YOU ON A MAP, BUT IT CONNECTS TO THE ACTUAL FORMER MASONIC LODGE.
UM, IT'S BASICALLY TWO POLES AND A SET OF WIRE.
AND EVENTUALLY, IF WE'RE ABLE TO, WE'D LOVE TO TO BURY THAT BECAUSE IT'S A, A BIT OF AN EYESORE.
UM, BUT WE'RE NOT APPLYING FOR THAT NOW.
ADDING SKYLIGHTS TO THE BUILDING, JUST TO BRIGHTEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT, ADDING A WOOD DECK, UH, TO THE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD, WOULD LEAN OFF OF THE, THE NORTH SIDE AND COME AROUND THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING THERE.
UM, WE, UH, AND WE WANT TO ADD ACCORDING DOORS WHERE THE WINDOWS EXIST NOW, WE'VE HAD ENGINEERS COME IN THERE AND JUST LOOK AT IT TO SEE IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THE WIDTH OF THE WINDOWS WOULD
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BE POSSIBLE TO EVENTUALLY TURN INTO DOORS.WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT IN 2025.
AND BECAUSE THE, WHAT WE'RE PURSUING NOW IS, IS TILL DECEMBER, 2025.
UM, WE WOULDN'T REALLY BE LOOKING AT THAT FOR APPLICATION NUMBER ONE, BUT WE WANNA KEEP EVERYONE INFORMED.
WE ARE NOT SEEKING TO BUILD AN AMPHITHEATER CONCERT FACILITY.
WE DON'T DO THAT AS A COMPANY.
WE'LL NOT INSTALL PERMANENT SPEAKERS, WE'LL NOT ADD NEW BUILDINGS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THOSE SPECIFIC FACTS.
THERE WILL BE A NO ADDITIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, NO STRUCTURAL CHANGES TO THE BUILDING OR PROPERTY, NO HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION RESTRICTIONS, ET CETERA.
UM, LASTLY, AS CARRIE DISCUSSED, WE WE WANT MINOR LANDSCAPING UPDATES, BUT WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW DREAM STANDARDS.
WE LOVE, UM, A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.
WE WANT OUR GUESTS TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE IN A, EITHER IN A BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC BUILDING OR IN A WILDERNESS SPACE, WHICH IS WHAT THAT, UNLESS YOU'RE ON THE STAGE, THAT'S WHAT IT REALLY FEELS LIKE THERE.
LIKE YOU'RE OVERLOOKING ALL OF, OF, UM, CAPITOL BUTTE AND THE RED ROCK SECRET MOUNTAIN WILDERNESS.
IT'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL AREA UP THERE AND WE DON'T WANT THE LANDSCAPING TO DISTRACT FROM THAT WITH OVERLY CURATED LANDSCAPING.
SO WE'RE REALLY FOLLOW DREAM STANDARDS AND STICKING TO NATURAL GRASSES, UH, THAT WOULD BE APPROVED FOR THAT LIQUOR LICENSE.
UM, WE ARE EVENTUALLY SEEKING A SERIES SIX.
WE ALREADY OWN A SERIES SIX FOR Y YAVAPAI COUNTY.
AND EVENTUALLY WE'D LIKE TO, UM, APPLY IT TO THE BUILDING, BUT WE REALLY WANT TO GET A FULL CUP APPROVAL, UH, TERM UNDER OUR BELTS BEFORE WE DO ANY OF THAT.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO DO IN THE FUTURE 'CAUSE WE HAVE IT.
UM, WE HEARD FROM MEMBERS OF THE SEDONA COMMUNITY THAT OUR ORIGINAL MAXIMUMS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CARRIE ALSO BROUGHT UP A LITTLE BIT, WERE CONFUSING.
WE KIND OF HAD BROAD MAXIMUMS FOR EVENTS AND PEOPLE SAID, YOU'RE GONNA BE HOSTING 250% EVENTS EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK AND WE ARE GONNA BE DIGGING OUR EYEBALLS OUT OF OUR HEAD.
UM, AND WE SAID, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT WHAT WE DO.
SO WE, WE, WE CLARIFIED IT, UM, TO SAY THAT WE'RE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR A MAXIMUM OF 120 EVENTS PER YEAR WITH AN ANTICIPATED BREAKDOWN OF 40% WEDDINGS, 40% CORPORATE, AND 20% COMMUNITY EVENTS.
NOW WE ARE NOT PUTTING LESS COMMUNITY EVENTS ON THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE DOING COMMUNITY EVENTS AS MUCH AS THE OTHER GROUPS.
THIS IS WHAT THE ACTUAL APPEAL EXISTS FOR IN SEDONA.
MOST IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE A VENUE IN SEDONA, AND WE PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO EVERY VENUE EVERYWHERE IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA, THE AVERAGE MAXIMUMS ARE ABOUT, USUALLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABOUT 70% WEDDINGS, 30% SOCIAL AND NO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
WE REALLY TREND MORE CORPORATE BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT CLIENTS.
WE JUST HAD, WE HAD TIVA UP ON THE SITE, WE HAD THE CINCINNATI REDS UP THERE.
WE REALLY LIKE THOSE CALM CORPORATE DINNER GROUPS, UM, FOR OUR EVENTS.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE SAY THAT.
UM, AND THEN THOSE 20% COMMUNITY EVENTS ARE A MIX OF, OF O OPEN TO THE PUBLIC EVENTS THAT WOULD BE FOR SALE TICKETED EVENTS THAT PEOPLE LOVE OR WE HAVE A BELOVED TICKET EVENT PRODUCT.
AND THEN WE HAVE A, A SPECIAL STIPULATION SOMEWHERE IN HERE, UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT TOGETHER THREE EVENTS A YEAR FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO US FREE OF CHARGE.
WE'RE JUST GONNA HOST THEM SO THEY CAN COME UP AND ENJOY THIS SPOT.
AND OF COURSE, IF THEY WANTED TO BOOK EVENTS, UM, WITH US SEPARATE FROM THAT, THEY CERTAINLY COULD.
BUT WE JUST WANT TO GIVE EVERYONE A FREE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND HANG OUT AND ENJOY THIS BEAUTIFUL SPACE.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE, YEAH, WE BREAK IT DOWN EVEN MORE, BUT UM, WE HAVE THE 70 PERSON UP TO 70 PEOPLE, UP TO 40 EVENTS, UP TO 150, UP TO 70 EVENTS.
UM, 90 TO 120 IS OUR MOST COMMON SIZE.
YOU'VE HEARD THAT OVER THE 36 EVENTS THAT WE'VE HELD ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH ARE NOT REALLY SIZE RESTRICTED.
'CAUSE WE HAVE OCCUPANCY FOR 3,366 IN THE BUILDING, UM, THAT WE STILL AVERAGED OUT AT 89.
SO THAT'S A HIGH AVERAGE EVEN AT 90 TO 120.
AND THEN, UH, 150 TO TWO, 200 UP TO 30 EVENTS, 200 TO 250 UP TO 20 EVENTS.
NOW THAT ACCOUNTS FOR 40 MORE EVENTS THAN WE'LL ACTUALLY DO 'CAUSE IT'S THE FIRST MAXIMUM HIT AS WE'VE APPLIED FOR IT.
SO YOU CAN BASICALLY TAKE 10 OFF OF EACH OF THOSE NUMBERS REALISTICALLY.
SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE 30, 60, 20 10, UM, BECAUSE THOSE ARE PRETTY AVERAGE GROUP SIZES THAT WE HIT AND WE'RE NOT GONNA DO MORE THAN 120 EVENTS A YEAR.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHEN I SAY THAT? AM I ALLOWED TO ADDRESS YOU? CAN YOU EVEN TALK TO ME? I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING IT TURNS OUT.
EXPECTED COMMUNITY EVENTS, NEIGHBORHOOD ONLY AT COST DINING EVENTS THREE TIMES A YEAR.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
AT COST MEANS THAT WE WILL COVER THE COST OF THE EVENT COMMUNITY DINING EVENTS, UH, UP TO 10 TIMES, UM, A YEAR FOR 120 GUESTS.
THE C FILM FESTIVAL, I CAN'T IMAGINE NOT PARTICIPATING.
WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DARK ROOM ON THE PROPERTY, UM, ANNUALLY UP TO 200 GUESTS.
ART EXHIBIT CLASS FOUR TIMES, UM, 80 GUESTS YOGA CLASS RETREAT, TWO TIMES 50 GUESTS, MEDITATION, SOUND, BATH BREATH WORK RETREAT, UH, FOUR TIMES 50 GUESTS.
WE CONSIDER THAT NO GUESS 'CAUSE PEOPLE WILL JUST BE STOPPING AND TO DROP OFF FOOD.
UM, WE EXPECT 48 WEDDINGS, 48 CORPORATE EIGHT VENUE USES GIVEN FREE OF CHARGE TO LOCAL, UM, 5 0 1 3 CS, 5 0 1 C THREES AND COMMUNITY SERVICES GROUPS.
THIS IS GONNA BE LIKE FIRE, UM, POLICE, OTHER NON-PROFITS THAT WE WANNA SUPPORT THROUGH THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE AIRPORTS EFFORTS.
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WEDDINGS AND GROUPS.OVER 150 GUESTS WHO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DANCING COMPONENT MUST DO SO INSIDE THE BUILDING.
WE WILL NOT HAVE DANCE FLOORS FOR LARGE GROUPS OUTSIDE EVER.
JUST TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
ANY SPEECH GIVEN OUTDOORS MUST NOT EXCEED A MAXIMUM OF 30 MINUTES COMBINED.
THAT MEANS DAD, MOTHER OF THE BRIDE, ALL OF THE GROOMSMEN AND BRIDES, UH, BRIDESMAIDS ALL HAVE TO BE WITHIN 30 MINUTES.
SO WE ARE ALSO, WE ARE ALSO ENCOURAGING THAT TO BE INSIDE 'CAUSE IT'S JUST EASY TO DO IF WE'RE MOVING THE DANCING COMPONENT IN THERE ANYWAY.
THEY MUST NOT EXCEED 43 DECIBELS ON ANY REST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OR AMBIENT RECORDED AVERAGE DECIBEL IN THE AREA AT THAT SAME TIME OF DAY.
AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU'LL SEE IN OUR PICTURES, UM, THAT WE HAVE OF OUR DECIBEL READERS.
SOMETIMES BIRDS ARE LOUDER THAN 43 DECIBELS ON THE STREETS.
YOU CANNOT HEAR US ON PANORAMA DRIVE, NOR ON OAK CREEK BOULEVARD AS YOU COME OFF OF OR WHATEVER.
IT'S OAK CREEK OFF OF PANORAMA DRIVE, UM, WHICH WE'VE GONE ON TO MEET WITH A COUPLE RESIDENTS.
UM, OUR ARE OPERATIONS WE'LL FLUCTUATE AND ARE DETERMINE BASED ON EVENT BOOKINGS WHILE THE VARIABLE EVENT NATURE OF BOOKINGS.
THAT MEANS THAT NO ADVANCED SCHEDULE OF DATES IS POSSIBLE.
THE AVERAGE WILL BE 2.1 EVENTS PER WEEK.
WE JUST BROKE DOWN ALL THE EVENTS BY THE AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD HAVE PER WEEK.
THE MAJORITY EVENTS BEGIN ONE TO TWO HOURS BEFORE SUNSET.
INCLUDE OUTDOORS AT 9:00 PM ALL ALLOW OUTDOOR MUSIC AND OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES MOVING INSIDE INSIDER CEASING.
REGARDLESS OF TIME, OUR EFFECTIVE SOUND MANAGEMENT PLAN WILL BE ADHERED TO.
AS WE SAID, WE DON'T ALLOW OVER AMBIENT SO SOUND ON THE, ON THE NEAREST STREETS TO US.
AND WE, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT FACT.
IT'S NOT RECORDED, I DON'T THINK, UM, OTHER THAN WHAT WE MIGHT'VE SENT TO YOU, CARRIE, BUT, UM, WE WALKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF PEOPLE TO OUR COMMUNITY MEETING.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT DID COME TO IT WERE EXCITED ABOUT THE MEASURES THAT WE HAD IN PLACE.
'CAUSE WE WERE PLAYING MUSIC AND WE ALLOWED THEM TO WALK TO THE PROPERTY AND LISTEN AND LOOK AT THE DECIBEL METER AND SEE HOW LOUD JUST THEIR VOICE WAS COMPARED TO THE SOUND OF OUR MUSIC ON THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND WE ENCOURAGED 'EM TO GO DOWN ON PANORAMA AND CHECK IT OUT FOR THEMSELVES BECAUSE WE HAD SO FEW PEOPLE TO OUR COMMUNITY MEETING BECAUSE NO ONE LEFT FEEDBACK.
UM, WE CANVASSED THE NEIGHBORHOOD TWICE.
WE KNOCKED ON EVERY SINGLE DAY DOOR WITHIN, UM, WITHIN ANY OF THE STREETS THAT CONNECT TO PANORAMA AND DRIVE IN PANORAMA AND DRIVE ITSELF.
WE MET WITH MULTIPLE RESIDENTS AND A LOT OF THEM LED US INTO THEIR HOUSES AND ONTO THEIR BACK PATIOS WHERE WE USE OUR DECIBEL READER AND RECORDED THESE, UH, VIDEOS OF THESE CONVERSATIONS WHERE WE SAID, CAN YOU HEAR ANYTHING AT ALL? AND THEY SAID, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
WE SAID, WE'RE BLASTING MUSIC UP THERE WAY LOUDER THAN WE EVER WOULD JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT YOU CAN'T HEAR IT DOWN HERE.
IT'S A GOOFY LITTLE THING WITH SKY RANCH LODGE BECAUSE THE WAY THAT THEY'RE POSITIONED AND THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF LIKE CEMENT, WE HAVE THAT STAGE ACTUALLY BLOCKING THE SOUND FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND NO ONE EVER HAS, WE'VE NEVER HAD A SINGLE COMPLAINT.
MM-HMM,
SO A LOT OF, UM, PEOPLE ON NEXTDOOR, I PAY ATTENTION TO NEXTDOOR IF I DON'T ENGAGE ALL THE TIME, UM, HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT, UM, THERE, THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT, UM, EMERGENCY ACCESS ALL OF THIS.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, IF THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY ON THE AIR ON AIRPORT MESA, WE WOULD, WE WOULD SHELTER IN PLACE ON AIRPORT MESA.
UM, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM ON THE RUNWAY FOR CARS.
THERE'S NO REASON TO GO UP OR DOWN THE HILL.
AND OF COURSE WE CAN EVACUATE PEOPLE IF WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO VIA AIRPLANE BECAUSE IT IS AN AIRPORT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
UM, WHAT WE DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT IS CARS UP AND DOWN THE HILL.
THAT'S WHY WE REQUIRE ANY LARGE GROUP, UM, TO, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE BREAKDOWN.
I DON'T WANNA READ TO EVERYONE IN INCESSANTLY.
AND IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS, IT'S ALL ONLINE, BUT IF ANY LARGE GROUP IS REQUIRED TO HAVE SHUTTLE TRANSPORTATION AND MOST OF OUR GROUPS, UH, FOR SHUTTLE TRANSPORTATION, EVEN IF THEY'RE A SMALL GROUP.
SO IF WE HAVE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC EVENTS AND PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM LOCAL HOTELS OR RESIDENCES, WE'RE USUALLY DOING HOTEL TRANSPORTATION.
WE'RE DOING, UM, BUSES AND, AND, UH, AND VANS THAT WE PROVIDE OR ARE PROVIDED BY, UM, THE GROUPS THEMSELVES THROUGH A DMC, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO WE DO NOT EVER USE MORE THAN THE 41 SPACES OR, OR WE HAVEN'T YET IN THE 36 EVENTS THAT WE'VE DONE, IF WE NEEDED TO, WE COULD ALWAYS, UM, BLOCK OUT AN EQUAL NUMBER OF SPACES IN THE AIRPORT OVERLOOK LOT, WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED DOING WITH THE, WITH ED AND THE AIRPORT CREW.
UH, MEANING THAT ANY INCREASE THAT WE NEED TO OUR PARKING LOT WOULD BE A DECREASE TO THE AIRPORT OVERLOOK LOT.
SO WE'D BE BASICALLY CANCELING OUT ANY ADDITIONAL SPACES.
WE WON'T EVER USE ANOTHER PARKING LOT OTHER THAN AIRPORT OVERLOOK.
I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE WHEN I EXPLAIN IT THAT WAY.
UM, SOUND MANAGEMENT, I JUST WENT INTO ALL OF THIS, BUT JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THE TWO PLACES.
UH, SYMBOL NUMBER ONE IS THE EDGE OF THE MASONIC LODGE ALONG THE, THE FENCE THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE AIRPORT.
UM, THAT'S THE FARTHEST, UH, FARTHEST NORTH PAR PARCEL OF THE PROPERTY OFF OF THE STAGE.
AND THEN, UH, SOUND BITE NUMBER TWO IS ON PANORAMA BOULEVARD, UM, WHERE THE LAST, UM, OPEN OF THE PUBLIC STREET BEFORE YOU HIT OUT C CREEK AND GET SHOT AT.
JUST KIDDING, NO ONE WOULD DO THAT, I DON'T THINK.
UM, SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHEN I SAY I KEEP ON SAYING THAT? NO ONE'S LYING TO ME.
I'M NOT GONNA ASK QUESTIONS ANYMORE.
UM, YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING 62 DE OH, SORRY, I HAVEN'T SAID THIS.
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OF OUR PROPERTY IS WHAT WE FOUND, UH, TRANSLATES TO 43 DECIBELS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS THE SOUND OF BIRDS SONG.SO 62 DECIBELS, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S THREE, THREE DECIBELS LOWER THAN THE REQUIREMENT FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE ON AN ADJACENT PROPERTY.
AND AS CARRIE DESCRIBED, OUR ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE FOREST SERVICE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA COMPLAIN ABOUT US.
SO THE NEAREST ADJACENT PROPERTY ARE ACTUALLY HOMES ON PANORAMA AND OAK CREEK, WHICH MEANS OUR REQUIREMENTS TO BE BELOW 65 ON, I BELIEVE, ON THEIR PROPERTY.
MAYBE IT'S COMMERCIAL, I CAN'T REMEMBER AND DON'T QUOTE ME.
I KNOW IT'S IN THE MEETING MINUTES.
UM, BUT WE KEEP IT AT 62 AND IT'S IN OUR CUP, SO WE'RE, WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO IT.
UM, THESE ARE OUR PHOTOS OF OUR DECIBEL READER THAT WE THREW INTO OUR APPLICATION.
THESE ARE, UM, TAKEN WHEN WE HAD THE, UH, INDIAN WEDDING.
'CAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT WAS SO FUNNY.
IT WAS THE LOUDEST EVENT WE'VE EVER DONE.
AND THERE IT IS, THE SOUND OF BIRDS, UM, ON THE STREET.
SO, UM, YOU CANNOT HEAR IT OFF THE MOUNTAIN BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE POSITION OUR SPEAKERS BELOW THE STAGE HEIGHT AND THE STAGE IS MADE OF, OF BRICK AND CEMENT AND IT JUST SIMPLY BLOCKS THE SOUND AND PUSHES IT SOUTHWARD INTO THE AIRPORT WHERE THERE'S PLENTY OF NOISE ALREADY.
UM, WE DON'T NEED TO GO INTO THAT.
ANY FURTHER LIGHT AND VISUAL IMPACT.
UM, WE WORK WITH CARRIE AND THE, THE TEAM, UM, TO, TO DEVELOP A SYSTEM FOR, UM, SHELTERED LIGHTING.
UM, WE, WE WERE ACTUALLY NON-COMPLIANT BEFORE, AS ARE MANY, MANY EVENT COMPANIES IN SEDONA.
AND I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT OUR LIGHTING IS BEING USED AS AN EXAMPLE FOR, FOR ALL THE REST OF THESE GROUPS BECAUSE IT WORKS REALLY WELL.
YOU ALL WERE THERE UP, UP AT THE MESA TODAY.
IT'S, IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND WHITE.
IT'S TAUT LIGHTING AND WE KEEP IT OVER THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S, UH, THEY HAVE THESE LITTLE, THESE LITTLE, UM, PENDANT COVERS, SO THEY LOOK GREAT.
UM, AND, UH, YEAH, WE, UH, WE GOT IN A LITTLE TROUBLE AND FIXED IT AND NOW WE HAVE A SYSTEM.
UH, WASTE MANAGEMENT, WE DON'T NEED TO GO INTO THAT.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT FROM A WASTE PERSPECTIVE.
GENERAL AREA MAP, WE'VE GONE OVER THAT ALREADY.
PROPERTY USE OVERFLOW AND TRAFFIC MAP.
UM, AGAIN, WE SAID WE HAVE 41 SPACES.
WE'VE NEVER USED MORE THAN THAT.
IF WE DID, WE WOULD USE THE AIRPORT OVERFLOW LOT OR, OR SHUTTLE TRANSPORTATION.
UM, AND THEN WE USED, WE THREW A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THOSE 36 EVENTS IN THIS PROPOSAL SO EVERYONE COULD SEE WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE DOING, UH, ON THE MESA.
SO WHAT YOU SEE THERE, THAT BIG BLACK LINE DOWN THE MIDDLE IS THE TABLE.
THOSE LITTLE WHITE DOTS YOU SEE ARE LITTLE COCKTAIL TABLES.
THE LITTLE ORANGE SQUARES AND RECTANGLES YOU SEE ARE LOUNGES.
SO THAT'S JUST BASICALLY AN EVENT SET.
AND THAT BIG SQUARE, UH, WHITE BOX OR RECTANGULAR WHITE BOX YOU SEE ON THE UPPER RIGHT, THAT'S THE KITCHEN.
AND WE POP THAT UP IN DIFFERENT SPOTS AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE GIANT PEOPLE, UM, OVER ON THE, UH, ON THE BUILDING OR THE RESTROOMS. UM, THE RESTROOMS WORK REALLY WELL.
UM, THEY WORK FOR THE MASON C LODGE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND THEY, THEY WORK GREAT FOR US.
WE BASICALLY KEEP 'EM, UM, UP UNTIL ABOUT, UH, 80 GUESTS JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA PUSH THE SYSTEM.
BUT THEY'RE, UH, THERE'S AN EXCELLENT SEPTIC SEPTIC SYSTEM UP THERE.
SOMETHING THAT'S COME ON NEXT DOOR AS WELL.
AND WE HAVE A GREAT, UM, RESTROOM SYSTEM THAT IS COMPLIANT BECAUSE OUR BUILDING IS COMPLIANT.
UM, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF A WEDDING.
YOU SEE A CEREMONY SEATING THERE.
UM, THE AISLEWAY THE CEREMONY ITSELF WAS ON THE STAGE, BUT REMEMBER THOSE SPEAKERS ARE BELOW THE STAGE.
SO EVEN IF WE THROW A CEREMONY ON STAGE, EVEN IF SOMEONE'S TALKING RIGHT INTO A MICROPHONE, WE STILL HAVE THEIR SPEAKERS ON THE GROUND BELOW THE STAGE SO THAT THERE'S NO, NO THAT NONE OF THIS IS LIKE BACKWASH OF SOUND INTO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THAT IS OUR REQUIREMENT AND YOU'LL SEE IT IN OUR PHOTOS AS WE GO THROUGH 'EM.
UM, HERE WE HAVE, UM, AN EXAMPLE OF A TABLE, TABLE AND THE NON-COMPLIANT LIGHTING.
THOSE LITTLE SQUARES YOU SEE ARE ARE TEMPORARY LIGHTING BEFORE WE GOT HIT TO THE, TO THE COVERED LIGHTING.
AND THEN, UH, YOU SEE ON THE STAGE SOME SQUARES.
AND THEN YOU SEE A BUNCH OF CARS DOWN BELOW, THAT'S OUR PARKING PLAN.
UM, TABLES, UH, AGAIN, AND THEN SOME, SOME LOUNGES, A FOOD TRUCK, YADA, YADA YADA TABLES.
I JUST WANT TO REITERATE OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT YOU'RE SEEING TABLES IN EVERY SINGLE SITE MAP WE EVER DO BECAUSE WHAT WE DO IS DINNERS.
UM, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE SECOND BIGGEST EVENT THAT WE EVER DID.
UM, WE HAD THE SHOE COMPANY UP TO THE PROPERTY.
WE HAD A WHOLE, UH, IT WAS KIND OF CAMP DIVA.
SET SOFA SETS AND FIRE PITS UP ON THE STAGE AND HAD SOME BARS FOR THEM.
AND THEN THIS, I'M NOT GONNA READ THESE TO YOU, BUT JUST FOR EVERYONE IN THE ROOM, IF YOU'RE CURIOUS LATER ON, UM, WE HAVE ALL OF OUR VENUE FAQS AND RULES FOR THE SITE IN OUR CUP APPLICATION FOR PUBLIC REVIEW.
SO IF YOU'RE CURIOUS WHAT OUR RULES ARE FOR OUR, FOR OUR CUSTOMERS, UM, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
WHEN YOU SEE VENUE FAQS AND RULES, THESE ARE NOT, UM, THESE ARE NOT PART OF OUR APPLICATION NECESSARILY.
THEY'RE JUST REALLY, UM, US MAKING IT CLEAR TO EVERYONE HOW, UM, HOW THESE RULES ARE CONVEYED TO CLIENTS.
UM, AND THEN LET ME GET THE IDEA.
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ONE SPECIFIC NOTE THAT'S ON THERE IS THAT ANYTIME SOMEONE INCREASES THEIR GUEST COUNT, THEY HAVE TO SIGN A NEW CONTRACT WITH US.SO THERE'S NEVER GONNA BE THIS MISSION CREEP OF A LARGER GROUP SIZE THAN WE'VE SUBMITTED, UM, VIA OUR COP AND OUR LIMITATIONS THAT WE'VE SET FOR OURSELVES.
UM, THIS IS OUR CI OUR LITTLE NOTES FOR THIS CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT.
UM, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT, I TALKED ABOUT THIS ALREADY, SO, AND THEN WE JUST HAVE SOME CUTE PHOTOS OF TABLES AND EVENTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S THE VERY FIRST EVENT THAT WE EVER DID ON THE MESA.
CAN YOU GUYS BELIEVE THAT? JUST KIDDING.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS A FAMILY THAT CAME UP THERE.
UM, THEY HAVE RESIDENTS IN SEDONA AS WELL, BUT THEY FLEW INTO THE AIRPORT AND, AND JUST HAD EVERYONE UP THERE DOING SOME LIKE FUN.
WE HAD PARTICIPATORY PIZZA MAKING, SO WE HAD EVERYONE MAKING DOUGH.
A VERY SQUISHED, UH, BRIDAL PARTY ON THIS FLOPPY PHOTO.
UM, WE GET AN IDEA OF A WEDDING.
THIS WAS A GROUP, UH, A WEDDING GROUP THAT WE JUST DID THE RECEPTION, NO CEREMONY ON THIS ONE.
NON-COMPLIANT LIGHTING, SORRY, KERRY, BEFORE HE BUSTED US.
UM, THIS IS THAT SAME LITTLE EVENT.
THESE ARE JUST, THIS IS WHAT THE STAGE HAS BECOME FOR US.
WE DON'T DO ANYTHING UP THERE EXCEPT FOR LITTLE POOFS AND, AND, AND SOFT SEATING.
AND EVERYONE GOES ABSOLUTELY NUTS AND JUST GOES UP THERE AND HANGS OUT AND TAKES PHOTOS AND LOOKS AT THE VIEW.
IT'S, IT'S A REALLY CUTE THING.
SO THIS IS A PHOTO FROM A COMMUNITY EVENT THAT WE DID UP THERE THAT'S AN INDOOR FUNKY LITTLE WEDDING DANCE FLOOR WITH A BUNCH OF DISCO BALLS THAT ABSOLUTELY COULD NOT SPIN LIKE THAT, BUT STILL FUN FAMILY THAT WE HAD OUT THERE.
A LOT OF, WHEN I, WHEN WE SAY SOCIAL EVENTS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FAMILIES, MANY OF WHOM ARE LOCAL.
UM, SO A LOT OF, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF PUSHBACK IN, IN ON NEXTDOOR ABOUT, UM, US BEING ONLY PRIVATE EVENTS AND BEING CLOSED.
WE'RE JUST AVAILABLE FOR SINGLE GROUPS.
UM, BEAUTIFUL WEDDING, UM, LOUNGES, LITTLE BUFFET SET UP.
CHEF ERIC OVER THERE KILLING IT.
CHEF ERIC IS FROM FOX RESTAURANT CONCEPTS.
HE WAS LIKE ONE OF THEIR TOP TIER GUYS.
HE JUST KNOWS WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO DO IT.
UM, AND HE'S OUR, OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF F AND B.
UM, SO JUST INTERESTING INDOOR EVENT.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO THIS IS FOR.
YOU DO, WHAT IS IT? DESERT FINANCIAL.
THAT WAS A PHOTO SHOOT WE MADE THE COVER OF, UH, BRI ARIZONA BRIBE MAGAZINE FOR A NON-EVENT.
BUT ISN'T IT CUTE? UM, AND TINTED LITTLE BAND INSIDE BANDS ARE ONLY ALLOWED INSIDE.
LOOK AT THOSE HAPPY TEAM MEMBERS.
ALL OUR TEAM MEMBERS DRESSED IN BLACKS.
IF YOU EVER SEE PEOPLE DRESSED LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHO THEY ARE.
WHY IS IT ALL THESE SO SQUISHED? I DON'T KNOW.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE COMMUNITY EVENTS.
WE PUT EVERYONE A LONG TABLE AND HAVE 'EM TALK TO EACH OTHER.
BRING BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR, UH, QUESTIONS.
UH, NEED FOR CLARIFICATION OF UM, FOR BOTH CARRIE AND FOR MATT.
CAN I ASK A OVERVIEW QUESTION THAT WILL HOPEFULLY ANSWER A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS? SURE.
CARRIE, CAN YOU GIVE A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY WHEN THAT REZONE FOR SKY LODGE RANCH? I ALWAYS GET THOSE WORDS IN THE WRONG ORDER HAPPENED.
UM, HOW LONG MESA GRILL HAS BEEN THERE CONSIDERING THEY'RE COMMERCIAL A ANYTHING YOU CAN GIVE ME IN REGARDS TO WHAT THE CITY HAS BEEN A PART OF ON THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S ALSO COMPLICATIONS WITH THE COUNTY.
SO ANYTHING YOU CAN GIVE ME TO KINDA GIMME SOME CONTEXT TO THAT LARGE, LARGE PARCEL THAT HAS MULTIPLE USES ON IT.
WELL, THE LARGE PARCEL IS THE AIRPORT, RIGHT? OF COURSE.
UM, AND MOST OF THE USES WERE ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE CITY INCORPORATED AND KURT CAN IS LIKE GLARING AT ME.
SO YOU CAN JUST TELL ME JUST LISTENING IF I'M YEAH, I, AND SO, YEAH, SO YOU KNOW, SKY RANCH LODGE HAS BEEN UP THERE SINCE PRIOR TO THE CITIES INCORPORATION.
THE HANGERS, I BELIEVE THE RESTAURANT WAS BUILT WHEN THE CITY INCORPORATED, BUT WAS APPROVED, WAS BUILT AS AN AIRPORT RESTAURANT, NOT A RESTAURANT RESTAURANT.
SO THERE WAS, I THINK AT THE TIME, IT WAS BEFORE I WAS HERE, BUT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IS IT AN AVIATION USE 'CAUSE IT'S AN AIRPORT RESTAURANT OR IS IT AN OTHER? AND THAT'S THE RESULT IS THAT THERE IS MESA GRILL AS, AS A RESTAURANT AT THE AIRPORT, UM, THE HANGERS, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF HANGERS.
THERE'S AIR TOUR COMPANIES, ALL OF THAT UP THERE.
WE HAVE DONE BUILDING PERMITS TO ENSURE BUILDING SAFETY ON SOME OF THE BUILD, YOU KNOW, MOST IN NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT GOT PERMITS.
UM, BUT IN GENERAL WE CAN'T, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SAY LIKE, NO TO A HANGAR BECAUSE IT'S RELATED TO THE AIRPORT.
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2012, AND I REMEMBER THAT YEAR, 'CAUSE THIS YEAR ACTUALLY STARTED WITH THE CITY, UM, THE SKY RANCH LODGE LET, WAS THE YEAR CATHETER RETIRED AS WELL, SO IT, RIGHT.MM-HMM,
A YEAR OR TWO LATER, THEY WENT THROUGH A ZONE CHANGE TO ADD, I BELIEVE IT WAS 40 ROOMS IN A CONFERENCE CENTER UP THERE.
UM, THAT PROJECT OBVIOUSLY NEVER GOT BUILT.
UM, BUT THAT IS, UM, I THINK AT THE TIME THE, BECAUSE THE HOTEL HAD BEEN BUILT IN THE COUNTY WE DID, IT WAS STILL ZONED CF AT THAT TIME.
AND SO WE DID A, A ZONE CHANGE TO CHANGE IT TO LODGING.
UM, THE APPROVALS FOR THE EXPANSION HAVE, UH, EXPIRED, BUT THE PROPERTY IS STILL ZONED LODGING FOR THE, I THINK IT'S ABOUT 120 LODGING.
NO, MAYBE AT THAT, I'D HAVE TO CHECK ON THE NUMBERS, BUT HOWEVER MANY THEY HAVE UP THERE, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE.
IF THEY CHOSE TO DO THE EXPANSION AGAIN OR PURSUE THAT, THERE WOULD BE A ZONE CHANGE PROCESS.
SO WHEN I SEARCHED AIRPORT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT CAME UP AS COMMERCIAL, UH, SECTION 9.4.
UM, IT'S UNDER TRANSPORTATION.
SO I'M FINDING MYSELF CONFUSED WHY THE AIRPORT IS CF IF THE USE IS COMMERCIAL.
I'M JUST TRYING TO LIKE UNDERSTAND THIS PROPERTY.
AND SO IT'S NOT ON THE TABLE OF USES.
YOU KNOW, I LOVE MY TABLE OF USES
UM, SO THAT'S WHY I WENT DIGGING DEEPER INTO CODE.
SO I'M, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS ZONING IS MOSTLY CITY BUILDINGS AND PARKS AND THINGS.
THE LIBRARY IS NOT, THAT'S A PRIVATE ENTITY IN THE AIRPORT.
THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT ARE THIS ZONING, BUT NOT CITY.
AND NOW I'M CONFUSED WHY THIS ONE ISN'T COMMERCIAL.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN COM COMMUNITY FACILITIES.
AND IT, WHEN WE'VE LOOKED AT IN THE PAST, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS, ESPECIALLY ON THE AIRPORT, DON'T WANT EVERYTHING TO DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, A COMMERCIAL RE REZONING IT FROM COMMERCIAL OR FROM COMMUNITY FACILITY TO COMMERCIAL TO BE A WHOLE SEPARATE PROCESS.
AND BECAUSE AIRPORTS ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF FEDERAL AVIATION REGULATIONS.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY OPERATE AS AN AIRPORT, UM, AND THERE'S NOT BEEN A PUSH TO REZONE IT.
BUT AGAIN, WHEN THE HOTEL WANTED TO EXPAND GOT IT.
UM, THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
UM, THANK YOU BECAUSE I WAS VERY, IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED HISTORY PASS.
AND I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION FOR WHOEVER KNOWS THIS IS, UH, SALES TAX FROM UP THERE COME TO THE CITY? OR IS IT COUNTY? I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY? SALES TAX.
DO THEY PAY CITY SALES TAX? OH.
OR IS IT COUNTY ONLY? UM, SO, UH, ANYTHING AT THE AIRPORT WITH, WITH WITHIN THE, SO THEY DO PAY THE HOTEL, SKY RANCH LODGE PAY SALES TAX.
THIS WOULD ALSO PAY SALES TAX TO THE CITY, THE, THE RESTAURANT, UM, WHAT'S THE NAME OF ME? VENUE, MESA GRILL.
MESA GRILL DOES NOT, IT'S PART OF THE AIRPORT.
SO AIRPORT AND THE AIRPORT'S COUNTY? YES.
SO, UH, IT WAS CONSIDERED AT THE TIME THAT IT'D BE, IT WAS PART OF THE, THE TERMINAL, JUST LIKE OTHER AIRPORT TERMINALS WOULD HAVE A RESTAURANT OR SHOPS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND SO NOT SUBJECT TO CITY'S SALES TAX, ALTHOUGH THERE MIGHT BE SOME SMALL PERCENTAGE THAT STILL COMES.
BUT GENERALLY THAT'S THE DISTINCTION.
WHETHER IT'S AN, THE DISTINCTION REALLY BETWEEN THE TWO, WHETHER THE CITY GETS TO REGULATE AND TAX MM-HMM.
UH, THEIR, THEIR ESSENTIAL GOVERNMENT FUNCTION IS NOT TO RUN, UM, OUTDOOR EVENT VENUES AND HOTELS.
AND SO THOSE ARE SUBJECT TO CITY JURISDICTION.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S SORT OF THE MORE BROAD, UM, MORE BROADLY AND THAT IS, COULD YOU DESCRIBE, UM, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COUNTY, THE FOREST SERVICE AND THE AIRPORT BOARD? PROBABLY YOU
SO, AND THE JURISDICTIONAL, UM, ISSUES.
SO IN, UH, THE, THE AIRPORT EXISTED, UM, SINCE I THINK LIKE THE FIFTIES OR SIXTIES, UM, IT BECAME AN AIRPORT.
IT WAS, UH, AT ONE POINT THE PROPERTY WAS ALL DONATED.
IT WAS FEDERALLY OWNED AND IT WAS ALL GIVEN TO, IN A LAND GRANT TO AN YAVAPAI COUNTY TO RUN AS AN AIRPORT.
UH, SO THE COUNTY OWNS THE UNDERLYING LAND.
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THAT WAS KIND OF RUN INDEPENDENTLY.THE COUNTY NEVER TOOK A, AN ACTIVE ROLE IN IT.
UM, AT SOME POINT THEY DECIDED TO FORM, UH, THE SEDONA OAK CREEK AIRPORT AUTHORITY, UH, SOCA, UM, MR. ROSE IS HERE AND HE PROBABLY KNOWS THE HISTORY BETTER THAN ME, BUT THE, UH, SOCA THEN, UM, HAS BEEN THE, IT'S A 5 0 1 C OF SOME NUMBER.
I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE, BUT A, A NONPROFIT C TWO THREE.
5 0 1 C3 THAT RUNS THE AIRPORT.
UH, AND SO THE COUNTY, UH, LEASES IT OUT LONG TERM TO SOCA.
THEY LASTED A RENEWAL NOT TOO LONG AGO, AND I THINK IT RUNS THROUGH THE 2040S OR FIFTIES, 2050.
SO, UM, THAT WHO'S, WHO RUNS THE AIRPORT, UH, UH, YAVAPAI COUNTY HOUSE STILL HAS SOME OVERSIGHT, UM, IN CERTAIN ROLES ABOUT IMPROVING BOARD MEMBERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE FOREST SERVICE JUST SURROUNDS THE AIRPORT.
UM, THERE'S NO OVERLAP BETWEEN THE TWO.
OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND THEY WORK WITH EACH OTHER ON, ON SHARED INTERESTS AND ANY TYPE OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT UP THERE.
UM, IS THAT ALL OF THEM THAT YOU REQUESTED? YEAH.
AND, AND SO THEN IN 1988, WHEN COCONINO COUNTY AND YAVAPAI COUNTY APPROVED THE INCORPORATION OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, IT INCLUDED THE INCORPORATION OF THE AIRPORT AS PART OF MM-HMM.
UM, AND THAT'S LEFT SOME, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS OUTSTANDING FOR THE LAST 30 WHATEVER YEARS.
WILL, SO I HAVE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION AS WELL.
I THINK, AND READING THROUGH ALL OF THE COMMENTS, ONE OF THEM DEALT WITH, AND I'M SURE I'M NOT GONNA SAY THIS EXACTLY RIGHT 'CAUSE IT WAS LENGTHY, BUT THEY WANTED TO KNOW THE, UM, WHY THE ZONING CF WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR PRIVATE USE.
AND MAYBE YOU COULD EXPLAIN THAT SO THAT IT'S CLEAR.
SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
AND ESSENTIALLY THE ZONING IS CF AND WE HAVE A TABLE OF ALLOWED USES, AND THAT'S WHAT WE GO OFF OF.
UM, IF SOMEONE WAS COMING IN FOR A ZONE CHANGE, THEN YOU WOULD EVALUATE IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE ZONE? UM, IS, YOU KNOW, IS THIS THE RIGHT ZONING? BUT ONCE THE ZONING IS ESTABLISHED, AND LIKE WE WERE SAYING IT'S BEEN CF SINCE THE CITY INCORPORATED, UM, WE JUST GO OFF OF WHAT THE PERMITTED USES ARE.
AND BECAUSE THE USES THAT THEY FALL UNDER ARE PERMITTED IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE GO OFF OF.
UM, AND SO THE, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PURPOSE STATEMENT IN THE CF AND THAT IT'S PRIMARILY FOR PUBLIC USES AND ALL OF THAT.
AND, UM, WHICH THOUGH THAT PURPOSE STATEMENT MIGHT BE USED TO RE-LOOK AT MAYBE THE USE TABLE AT SOME POINT AND SAY, ARE THESE USES STILL APPROPRIATE? ARE THEY ACCOMPLISHING THE PURPOSES OF THAT ZONE? BUT IT WOULDN'T BE USED TO EVALUATE AN APPLICATION.
THE ACTUAL USE TABLE WOULD BE WHAT IS BEING USED TO EVALUATE THE APPLICATION.
AND THEN ONE OF, SO IT IS, IT IS OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OPINION THAT EVEN THOUGH THE CF ZONE SPEAKS TO SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES AND OTHERS, UM, OTHER MORE PUBLIC USES IN THERE, THAT THIS PRIVATE USE IS APPROPRIATE EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T SERVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
SO THE, THE CF, ALTHOUGH THAT'S IN THE PURPOSE STATEMENT, THE TABLE OF ALLOWED USES IN THE CF INCLUDES THINGS SUCH AS A CLUB OR A LODGE, WHICH CAN BE COMPLETELY PRIVATE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES, WHICH AREN'T NECESSARILY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC CONFERENCE MEETING FACILITIES, WHICH ARE, CAN BE PRIVATE FUNERAL FACILITIES, RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLIES, PRIVATE SCHOOLS, PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, JUST TO NAME A FEW THINGS THAT ARE PERMITTED USES IN THE CF FACILITY.
KURT, SO YOUR, YOUR OPINION IS THAT THIS MEETS THAT, THAT NO, I MEAN, I GAVE YOU THE LIST OF IDEAS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CF FACILITY.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS KIND OF A, A NEW, A NEW USE, UM, THESE MM-HMM.
UM, AND IT, WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, LISTED IN THIS CODE, UH, FANCY DINNER PARTIES, BUT WE DO HAVE PROVISIONS IN THE CODE THAT ALLOW, ALLOW THE DIRECTOR TO DETERMINE A NEW TYPE OF USE AND WHERE IT FITS.
UM, AND THE DIRECTOR AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF HAS LISTED THIS AS, UH, ONE, THE CONFERENCE MEETING FACILITY FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, THE BUILDING ITSELF.
UM, AND GAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR, UM, FOR THAT.
AND THEN THE, THE OTHER PART WAS THE OUTDOOR, UM, RECREATION FACILITY AND THE OUTDOOR RECREATION FACILITY, IF, LET ME JUST READ IT, MAKE SURE I GET IT RIGHT.
UM, BUT IT SAYS THE DEFINITION OF THAT IS AN ENTERTAINMENT ACTIVITIES OPERATED BY A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE THAT ARE MOSTLY OUTDOORS OR PARTIALLY WITHIN A BUILDING.
SO IN PART, THAT'S WHAT THE DEFINITION IS.
SO I BELIEVE IT DOES MEET THE, THE CODE DEFINITION.
AND YOU THINK RECREATION AND ENTERTAINMENT
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ACTIVITIES DESCRIBES THIS, UM, DINING OPTION RESTAURANT? YEAH.ENTERTAINMENT, YEAH, RECREATION AND ENTERTAINMENT ACTIVITY.
JUST ONE CLARIFICATION, WAY BACK.
SO THIS ENTIRE, THE ENTIRE AIRPORT MM-HMM.
IT'S ALL ZONED CF EXCEPT FOR THE HOTEL AND THE AREA AROUND TO THE WEST, LIKE IN LIKE SOUTHWEST OF THE HOTEL, UM, THAT HAS A LODGING ZONING.
THAT WAS DONE IN I THINK, 2014, THAT PORTION OF IT.
YEAH, I, I HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS.
WE JUMPED WAY AHEAD OF YOU, DIDN'T WE? THAT'S OKAY.
I'M LINING UP A BIT AND JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, THANK YOU THAT THIS WOULD COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION IN 2025 IF IT WERE APPROVED.
THE WAY WE'VE WRITTEN THE CONDITIONS IS THAT, UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO HAVE THIS GO THROUGH THE END OF NEXT YEAR TO GIVE THEM THE REST OF THIS YEAR AND ALL OF NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO A PUBLIC HEARING FOR RENEWAL.
IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE DECEMBER OF 2025 IF IT WAS GONNA GET APPROVED.
AND THEN I HAVE QUESTION FOR, I'M SORRY FOR THE COMPANY, MR. COOLEY.
UM, WHY WOULD YOU, WHY WOULD YOU EVER ENTERTAIN AN EVENT THAT EXCEEDED 65 DECIBELS? BECAUSE IN HERE YOU SAY AN EXTRAORDINARY THING AND YOU WOULD APPLY FOR A SEPARATE TP OR WHATEVER.
WHY, WHY WOULD, WHAT KIND OF AN EVENT THAT WOULD EXCEED 65 DECIBELS, WOULD YOU SAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER DOING THAT.
I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHY YOU PUT THAT IN.
YEAH, AND TO, TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT EXCEEDING THE, THE CITY REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, DECIBELS I'M TALKING ABOUT ARE VERY STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE PLACED IN OUR OWN CUP.
AND THE EXAMPLES WOULD BE IF A COMMUNITY EVENT, SUCH AS THE FILM FESTIVAL WANTED TO DO AN OUTDOOR EVENT AND IT HAD AN OUTDOOR SCREEN, OR IF VOR FEST WANTED TO DO AN EVENT, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH VOR FEST OR IF ANOTHER, UM, FOOD AND WINE FESTIVAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT WASN'T REALLY US, BUT JUST REALLY WANTED TO USE THE FACILITY AND WE COULD APPLY FOR A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT IN THOSE CASES TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO THEM, WE WOULD DO SO.
BUT, BUT YOU WOULD BE APPLYING NOT, NOT THEM.
WE WOULD APPLY BECAUSE IT'S OUR LEASE AND OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THE RESPONSIBLE USE OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT YES, WE WOULD APPLY ON THEIR BEHALF, BUT WE WOULDN'T PUT IN OUR COP BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE, THEY, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE INDIVIDUALLY CONSIDERED, UM, SEPARATE FROM, FROM OUR REGULAR USE, JUST LIKE THEY ARE NOW, TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT, THAT, THAT'S MORE LIKE WHAT THE MASONIC LODGE IS NOW.
IT'S, THEY'VE BEEN APPLYING FOR INDIVIDUAL TS FOR SUCH EVENTS FOR YEARS.
WE DON'T EXPECT TO DO ANY OF THEM.
BUT IF, SO, THERE'S A DIFFERENT CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP IF A SECOND PARTY, AND THEY'RE ALL SECOND PARTIES, RIGHT? THEY'RE ALL SECOND PARTIES AND YOU'RE NOT DISTINGUISHING A LOCAL, UH, SEDONA INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL OR VODA FEST IS ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANY OF THE OTHERS? ALL OF THOSE HAVE TO GET A TUP, CORRECT? NO.
IF, IF THEY WANT TO USE THE FACILITY FOR REGULAR USE, THAT WOULD ABIDE BY THE RULES OF OUR CUP, WE WOULDN'T APPLY FOR ADDITI AN ADDITIONAL TUP.
NOW, IF THEY SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO DO THIS THING THAT, THAT BREAKS THE CONDITIONS OF OUR CUP, WE WOULD SAY, WE CAN'T APPROVE THAT BECAUSE IT, IT VIOLATES THE CONDITIONS OF THE CUP THAT WE LAID OUT.
WE NEED TO APPLY FOR AN ADDITIONAL TUP AND GET APPROVAL FROM THE TEAM AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT AS IT IS NOW, AS, AS ALL TS ARE.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'VE SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE UP TO HOWEVER MANY EVENTS THAT UP TO 250 PEOPLE.
UM, OR IF, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE GONNA GO HIGHER THAN THAT, BUT IT WAS ALL GONNA BE OUTSIDE, WE WOULD, THEY WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE TUP.
THEY WOULD COME IN, THEY'D HAVE TO GIVE NEW SITE PLANS.
THE FIRE DISTRICT WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT.
THE, YOU KNOW, THE FOREST SERVICE REVIEWS ARE TPS AS WELL.
SO THERE'D BE A WHOLE SEPARATE PROCESS FOR THAT.
IF THEY'RE GOING OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF WHAT THEY'VE PUT IN THIS APPLICATION, JUST SAY NO.
WE HAVE NO REAL INTEREST IN PURSUING, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY TPS ON THE HORIZON.
UM, WE ARE APPLYING FOR TPS RIGHT NOW FOR OUR REGULAR 50, 80, 100% EVENTS.
SO WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS.
WE DO IT ALL OVER THE STATE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN VARIOUS VENUES, ANYTIME WE DO A WEIRD USE.
UM, BUT WE DON'T EXPECT TO HERE UNLESS SOMEONE COMES ALONG.
I THINK IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A COMMUNITY
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ACTIVATION OF SOME KIND.THAT JUST ISN'T WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO.
AND I, I IMAGINE IT'S THE COMMUNITY COMES TOGETHER AND SAYS, WE WANT TO DO THIS THING, LIKE HAS HAPPENED MANY TIMES IN THE PAST AT THE CULTURAL PARK AND OTHER PLACES.
SO, UM, JUST IF THEY WANT TO USE OUR SPACE AS A VENUE AND IT, AND IT'S DIFFERENT THAN OUR USE AS LAID OUT IN THE COP, WE'D HAVE TO APPLY FOR A TOP, BUT WE WOULD DO SO ON THEIR BEHALF BECAUSE WE WANNA CONTROL IT.
WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE ELSE TO, TO BE USING OUR SPACE WITHOUT OUR MANAGEMENT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND OF COURSE, WITH THE TOP, THERE'S NO WAY THAT THE PUBLIC IS INFORMED OF THAT POTENTIAL USE.
THERE'S GENERALLY NOT A, UM, A NOTIFICATION PROCESS FOR THAT.
AND IT'S GENERALLY BECAUSE IT'S, BUT THERE IS, UM, IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN THAT GENERATE, LIKE WE HAVE, WE HAVE TAKEN FEEDBACK FROM EVENTS INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN REVIEWING FUTURE EVENTS.
AND SO IF THEY DID ONE EVENT AND IT WENT HORRIBLY AND WE GOT ALL KINDS OF COMPLAINTS, THAT MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE EVENT THAT WE DO A TUP FOR.
UM, SO THAT IS GENERALLY THE PROCESS, IS THAT IT A DAY OR TWO IS GENERALLY TS MM-HMM.
OF COURSE, WE DON'T WANNA BE IN THAT SITUATION, SO, AND TO BE OR WE'RE REACTIVE.
WELL, SO, AND TO BE CLEAR THAT YOU JUST, OH, SORRY.
UM, AND IN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN EVENTS, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS THAT WE HAVE REQUIRED THEM TO PAY FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO ATTEND THEIR EVENT.
UM, AND THEN IF, YOU KNOW, TO, SO THAT THERE IS A CITY STAFF MEMBER, SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ON MONDAY MORNING WHAT HAPPENED AND MM-HMM.
SO WE WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS, AND IF THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, AFTER A COUPLE TRIES AT IT, IF THEY CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT, GENERALLY, UM, THEY CHOOSE ON THEIR OWN TO NOT CONTINUE DOING, YOU KNOW, APPLYING FOR MORE TS IF THEY CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO HOLD THEM WITHOUT GETTING, THANK YOU.
CARRIE, COULD SOMEONE, UM, ADJUST THE TEMPERATURE DOWNWARD, MAKE IT A LITTLE COOLER IN HERE.
WILL, DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE? I THINK I'M GONNA STOP RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN I'LL WORK MY WAY DOWN HERE.
UM, I, I GUESS I WANNA GET SOME BIG PICTURE ITEMS CLARIFIED TOO BEFORE I GET INTO ANY MINUTIAE HERE.
UH, SO MATT, UM, YOU SAID YOU, UH, THE, DO YOU HAVE A LEASE ON THE MASONIC LODGE AND THE LAND AROUND IT? YES, WE HAVE A LEASE.
WE HAVE A 10 YEAR LEASE WITH THE AIRPORT, A 10 YEAR LEASE WITH AN OPTION FOR RENEWAL IF WE WERE CONTINUING TO GET CCPS.
BUT, AND WHEN DID YOU HAVE THAT LEASE? HAVE YOU HAD IT FOR A YEAR OR TWO? IT'S BEEN, HOW LONG AGO DID, WERE WE GRANTED TWO YEARS? YEAH.
SO, UM, SO YOU LEASED THE ENTIRE LAND AND YOU RE YOU RECEIVED THAT LEASE AS PART OF AN RFP PROCESS THROUGH THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY? EXACTLY.
AND THE CITY HAD A, AN OFFICIAL THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS, I BELIEVE WHAT YOU, THE CITY HAD AN OFFICIAL THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS OF APPROVAL, I BELIEVE AS WELL.
UM, SO YOU, YOU HAVE A LEASE FOR, FOR THE BUILDING, FOR THE GROUNDS AROUND THERE? YEAH.
UM, ANY EVENT THAT HAPPENS THERE IS THROUGH YOUR COMPANY.
THE WHOLE RELATIONSHIP IS STILL VERY CONFUSING FOR A SIMPLE GUY LIKE ME,
BUT, UM, LIKE I SAID, I, I'VE GOT SOME OTHER, UH, ITEMS THAT I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS, BUT MM-HMM.
WE'LL STAY BIG PICTURE RIGHT NOW.
I'M GONNA GO BACK TO SORT OF WHAT WE STARTED WITH, WHICH AGAIN IS BIG PICTURE.
SO THE WHOLE AIRPORT IS ZONED COMMUNITY FACILITIES EXCEPT FOR THE HOTEL? YES.
SO IS PART OF THE PROBLEM HERE THAT THERE IS NO WAY TO SEPARATE OUT THE MASONIC LODGE AREA AND DESIGNATE IT AS A DIFFERENT ZONING OR, OR LAND USE? YEAH, WE COULD, WELL, WE COULDN'T CHANGE THE ZONING, UM, ON JUST THIS PARCEL, BUT WITH THE CUP, THEY'D BE TIED TO THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE THAT THE WHOLE AIRPORT PARCEL IS MM-HMM.
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EVENTS.IT'S THE AREA THAT THEY'RE DESIGNATED RIGHT.
AND PERHAPS THIS IS NOT A QUESTION, MAYBE IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT'S THE VERY FIRST ISSUE.
AND IT'S ALSO AN ISSUE POTENTIALLY OF, OF, CAN, CAN I FINISH? OH, YEAH.
UM, SO THAT'S MY, EVERYTHING FLOWS FROM THAT.
IF WE DISAGREE, UH, ON THE DEFINITION OF THE COMMUNITY FACILITY AND I IDENTIFYING THIS AS A PROPER DEFINITION OF IT, THEN EV ALL THESE OTHER ISSUES FLOW FROM THAT.
BUT, SO WE'RE SORT OF BEING FORCED TO AGREE THAT IT'S SOMEHOW A COMMUNITY FACILITY.
IT MAKES ME WONDER IF SOME OTHER ENTITY HAD WANTED TO LEASE THE SPACE AND USE IT AS WORKER HOUSING, OR I DON'T KNOW, WHAT WOULD WE HAVE TO CALL IT A COMMUNITY FACILITY IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE ABLE TO BE USED? I MEAN, I, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE SHOEHORNING SOMETHING IN GO AHEAD.
I JUST, THE, IT'S A, IT'S AN, IT'S A, UM, A SEMANTIC PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, IT'S COMMUNITY FACILITIES IS A BROAD PHRASE, BUT THE LIST OF APPROVED USES INCLUDES OUR USE.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S EASY TO SAY IT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE, THE MEETING FACILITIES, THE OUTDOOR RECREATION, AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, AND I'VE DONE ALL THIS READING, I, I'M NOT A PLAYING IN ZONING OFFICIAL, YOU ALL KNOW MUCH MORE THAN I DO, I'M JUST, JUST ARRIVING HERE.
BUT THE COMMUNITY FACILITY SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT IT'S ACTUALLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S THIS BIG, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY ENORMOUS.
INCLUDING A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE GOOFY THING THAT KEEPS HAPPENING, WHERE THE COMMUNITY'S HAVING A CONVERSATION AROUND COMMUNITY FACILITIES, BUT IN COMMUNITY FACILITIES IS A LOT OF PRIVATE USES.
UM, AND PRIVATE COMMERCIAL USES LISTED OUT IN PRIVATE COMMERCIAL USES.
WHAT WOULD BE A PRIVATE COMMERCIAL USE, SUCH AS THE, THE ATTORNEY LAID OUT.
I, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT LIST, BUT WE COULD GET BACK INTO IT.
SO AGAIN, I, I'VE GOT THE TABLE OPEN, CHARLOTTE, IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT.
DO YOU WANNA SEE THE TABLE OF ALLOWABLE USES? I SCROLLED, I HAVE IT OPEN.
NO, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO.
SO AS, JUST TO SUCCINCTLY SAY, THE ZONING IS COMMUNITY FACILITIES, WHICH ALLOWS A LIST OF DIFFERENT USES.
WE DID START OFF WITH THEM WITH SAYING, GIVE US A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND WE DID MAKE THE DETERMINATION AT THAT TIME THAT IT WOULD FIT INTO THE CATEGORIES THAT WE'VE OUTLINED THAT ARE PERMITTED AND CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED IN THE COMMUNITY FACILITY ZONE.
SO, WHICH IS A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION.
I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING YOU, YOU'VE MADE A DETERMINATION.
IT'S NOT AN OBVIOUS DETERMINATION TO ME JUST ON ONE PERSON, BUT TWO, TWO PEOPLE
SO I HAVE A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS UNLESS YOU'VE GOT MORE THIS WAY ON THE SAME TOPIC.
UM, SO I THOUGHT THAT I READ SOMEWHERE THAT THE LEASE WAS NOT ACTUALLY GONNA BE SIGNED UNTIL THE COP WAS GRANTED.
IS THAT ERRONEOUS? DID I MISREAD SOMETHING? YEAH, SORRY.
AND I GUESS WE OFFERED A CONFUSING EXPLANATION A MOMENT AGO.
UM, WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD IT, THE AGREEMENT TO HAVE A LEASE WITH THE AIRPORT FOR TWO YEARS, BUT WE ARE NOT LEASING, WE HAVEN'T PINNED THE LEASE.
THE NEW LEASE, WE WROTE IT, WE WROTE ONE LEASE BACK WHEN WE THOUGHT IT WAS COUNTY ONLY.
THIS HAS BEEN A GOOFY LITTLE PROCESS.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REMEMBER, WE GOT INTO A MEETING WHERE WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THE CITY NEEDED TO BE INVOLVED, BECAUSE EVEN THE AIRPORT DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IN THE EARLY DAYS.
AND WE WERE, UM, WE KIND OF FELT LIKE WE WERE BEING TUGGED BETWEEN A, A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
AND WE'VE LEARNED A LOT IN THE PROCESS.
BUT, UM, YES, WE DO NOT HAVE A, WE DO NOT HAVE A LEASE UNTIL WE SIGN, UNTIL WE GET OUR CONDITION LEASE PERMIT.
SO DID YOU, I'M SORRY YOU WERE FACING THAT WAY.
DID YOU SAY YOU DO OR DO NOT HAVE A LEASE? DO NOT HAVE A, DO NOT HAVE A LEASE, AN EXISTING LEASE WITH THE AIRPORT? WE DO NOT.
AND IT'S CONTINGENT UPON GETTING THE CUP CONTINGENT UPON GETTING THE CCP.
SO YOU'VE BEEN HAVING EVENTS UP THERE WITHOUT A LEASE, WITHOUT A TUP EVEN? IS THAT NO, NO.
I MEAN, WE, WE'VE BEEN APPLYING FOR TS NO, NO.
YOU SAID YOU HAD TU YOU SAID YOU HAD 30 SOMETHING EVENTS, AND ONLY THE ONES IN 2024 IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO A TUP.
YOU WERE ACTUALLY KIND OF UNDER THE RADAR DOING WHATEVER.
TO BE CLEAR, WE WEREN'T, WE WEREN'T CHOOSING TO, TO, UH, AVOID
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OUR RESPONSIBILITIES FOR APPLYING FOR TS.NO ONE, AND I, AND I, I REALLY MEAN THIS.
NO ONE HAD BEEN ABLE TO TELL US WHAT THE PROCESS WAS UNTIL WE STARTED GETTING INTO IT.
REALIZED THAT THE CITY HAD TO BE INVOLVED, REALIZED WE NEEDED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF A CUP, REALIZED THAT WE NEED TO APPLY FOR SEPARATE PERMITS FOR, WITH, WITH BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.
AND AS THESE REALIZATIONS AND, AND, UH, AND UPDATES TO US WERE MADE, WE MADE THE ADJUSTMENTS IN, IN TIME, IF THAT MADE SENSE.
SO WE, I UNDERSTAND IT'S BEEN A LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
AND I, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'D BE CONFUSED.
BUT I'M, I JUST WANNA, AGAIN, LET'S BE CLEAR HERE.
YOU WERE OPERATING WITHOUT A LEASE.
WE WILL SIGN AND WITHOUT, I CAN, ED CAN SAY THIS AS WELL AS I DO.
WE WILL, IF WE DON'T GET A CP.
WHAT, WHAT'S THAT? OH, I ON TALKING THE WRONG WAY.
IF WE DON'T GET A LEASE, WE HAVE MEETING FACILITIES ON THE BUILDING.
WE'LL, WE'LL USE THE FACILITY FOR SOMETHING.
WE HAVE TO, WE'VE PUT A, WE'VE INVESTED A LOT INTO THE PROPERTY, SO WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE AIRPORT.
WE DON'T HAVE THE LEASE WE ORIGINALLY PLANNED TO HAVE BECAUSE IT REQUIRES THE OUTDOOR SPACE TO, TO DO WHAT WE ORIGINALLY IMAGINED.
UM, BUT WE DON'T, BUT THAT'S CONTINGENT UPON A CUP, WHICH WAS WHAT WE WORKED OUT WITH THE, THE CITY OF THE AIRPORT IN A WHOLE MEETING YEAR AND AGO.
COULD I JUST CLARIFY, DID YOU SAY YOU HAD 36 TS OR 36 EVENTS? 36 EVENTS.
AND THAT OCCURRED BETWEEN 22 AND 24? I THINK SO TOO.
SO CHARLOTTE, IF I COULD HOP ON THE BANDWAGON, SO YOU DON'T HAVE A LEASE, BUT YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT? YES.
WE WORK, WE WORK WITH THE AIRPORT ON KIDS.
SO YOU'RE NOT JUST GOING, WE'RE PAYING THE AIRPORT TO USE THE SPACE AND WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL LEASE RIGHT NOW, BUT YES, WE PAY THE AIRPORT MONTHLY TO USE THE SPACE.
SO WE EFFECTIVELY HAVE A LEASE.
SO THEY WERE AWARE OF THE EVENTS IN THIS RELATIONSHIP OF AN AGREEMENT? WE, IT WAS OUR MISTAKE.
SO WE WERE APPLYING FOR PERMITS WITH THE COUNTY AND NOT WITH THE CITY.
AND UNTIL CARRIE SAID, YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO BE APPLYING FOR INDIVIDUAL TPS.
AND THEN WE BEGAN TO APPLY FOR THEM AFTER THAT MEETING.
SO, AND THEN ALL YOUR EVENTS HAD COUNTY PERMITS? ALL OUR EVENTS HAD COUNTY PERMITS.
I WOULD JUST ADD ON THE CITY RECEIVED THE AIRPORT'S AUTHORITY TO PROCESS THIS CUP AND THE TUP.
SO WE ASK FOR PROPERTY OWNER APPROVAL.
WE DON'T GET INTO WHATEVER LEASE AGREEMENTS THE APPLICANT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER COURSE.
WE JUST VERIFY THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER RIGHT.
HAS APPROVED, CONSENTED THIS APPLICATION.
SO IN THE, IN THE PACKET, UM, IT SAYS THAT, UH, IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE VARIOUS LIKE PUBLIC WORKS AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, SO ON POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO FORTH.
AND YOU DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY COMMENTS BACK FROM THEM? NO.
SO TODAY WHEN WE WERE ON THE SITE VISIT, I BELIEVE, UM, MATT SAID THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD WALKED THE SITE AND HAD A LIST OF ISSUES, POINTS, WHATEVER THEY WERE, UM, THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, WHICH I WOULD CONSIDER COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T RESPOND TO THEM VIA THE PACKET, THEY RESPONDED, WHATEVER, HOWEVER THAT HAPPENED.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS WHAT ARE THE THINGS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WANTS YOU TO DO AND WHERE ARE YOU IN THAT PROCESS? I JUST TALKED WITH DORY.
I'M THE FIRE MARSHAL FOR SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT.
UM, SO WE INITIALLY, WE DID HAVE, WE HAVE GONE, THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH THE, UM, INSPECTION PROCESSES WITH US.
IT'S PART OF THE, EVEN THE TS AND ALSO AS THEY WENT THROUGH THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY UPDATE, UM, THE FINAL REMAINING ITEM THAT WE HAVE THERE WAS CONTINGENT UPON FIGURING OUT THE ACTUAL STREET ADDRESS, WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE STREET SIGNS UP THERE FOR SHRINE ROAD.
UM, THE 9 95 AIRPORT WAS THROWING EVERYBODY FOR A LOOP BECAUSE THE 9 1 1 SYSTEM SHOWS 1 35 SHRINE ROAD OR WHICHEVER THE RIGHT ADDRESS IS.
AND, BUT BECAUSE OF THE GIANT PARCEL VERSUS PARCEL SPLITS, THAT WAS, THEY WERE WAITING LITERALLY FOR COUNTY CITY FIRE EVERYBODY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ADDRESS WE ARE GONNA MAINTAIN FOR THAT.
SO THE LAST REMAINING ITEM FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT'S PERSPECTIVE FOR C'S ONGOING IS HAVING THEIR ADDRESS LOCATED AT THE STREET ON A CONTRASTING SIGN.
SO WE CAN SEE IT AS WE APPROACH, THEY DO HAVE IT ON THE BUILDING AS REQUIRED, BUT BECAUSE
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OF THE SETBACK OF THE BUILDING FROM THE STREET, WE CAN'T NECESSARILY SEE IT FROM THE FIRE TRUCKS.SO THAT THE LAST REMAINING ITEM THAT WE HAVE FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT'S PERSPECTIVE IS LITERALLY A CONTRASTING SIGN OF THE ADDRESS ON THE STREET SIDE.
COULD I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION OF DO MM-HMM,
I GUESS WE'RE NOT GONNA THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT, UH, IS THAT TRUE? AND IF THAT'S TRUE, WHY? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UM, IS IT SCALE OR WHAT BETWEEN EVENTS AT THE, WITH CLOTH AND FLAME AND SKY RANCH? NO, UH, THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS THAT WHETHER IT'S SKY RANCH OR ANY OTHER PARCEL, AND EVEN TO THE MISS MASONIC LODGE AREA, IF THEY EXPANDED THEIR FOOTPRINT AS FAR AS WHAT IS EXISTING AND ALREADY BEEN IMPROVING, UM, SO AN EVENT CENTER AT SKY RANCH LODGE, UM, YOU'RE ADDING INCREASED TRAFFIC AND SPACES THAT AREN'T ALREADY THERE.
SO BASED ON THEIR, THE MASONIC LODGE'S USED SINCE GOING BACK, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL FROM THE FORTIES AND THE FIFTIES, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN ASSEMBLY OCCUPANCY USED FOR EVENTS BASED ON THE OCCUPANT LOAD THAT'S ALLOWED IN THE BUILDING.
SO THEY'RE NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, THEY'RE NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE THAT, FROM THE FIRE CODE PERSPECTIVE, THAT WOULD INCREASE ACTIVITY THAT'S NOT ALREADY BEEN PLANNED TO BE THERE.
COULD, COULD YOU COMMENT, DO, DO YOU DO A BUILDING SAFETY INSPECTION WITH RESPECT TO FIRE SAFETY? WITH RESPECT TO FIRE SAFETY? WE DO.
AND WHAT, AND WAS THERE ANY RECOMMENDATION FOR, UM, ANY IMPROVEMENTS? NOT 'CAUSE WE, WE WENT EARLY ON AND THEY DID THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS OF GOING THROUGH AND ENSURING THAT EXIT SIGNS WERE ILLUMINATED.
UM, THEY WERE COMPLIANT WITH ANYTHING EARLY ON THAT WE HAD DONE.
UM, AND OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BECAUSE THEY DID 'EM SO QUICKLY, AND SOME OF THEM WERE EVEN DONE BY MATT, OLIVIA, AND THEIR TEAM AT THE TIME OF THE INSPECTION, IT WASN'T EVEN DOCUMENTED BECAUSE IT WAS CORRECTED WHILE WE WERE ON SITE.
UM, SO I'M SORRY IT WAS ANYTHING THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED DURING AN INSPECTION, I MEAN, MONTHS AGO AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE INTERIOR INSPECTIONS PROCESS OF IT A LOT, ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD'VE FOUND, THEY WERE ABLE TO CORRECT WHILE WE WERE STILL THERE.
SO IT WASN'T EVEN DOCUMENTED ON AN INSPECTION REPORT BECAUSE IT WAS FIXED BEFORE WE LEFT.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR DORY AS WELL.
THERE WERE ALSO SOME CONCERNS EXPRESSED REGARDING SPRINKLERS AND SUFFICIENT WATER PRESSURE.
UM, I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE ON THAT AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR OPINION IS IF THERE WERE AN EMERGENCY EVENT AND EVACUATION, PARTICULARLY IF THERE WERE EVENTS GOING ON HERE AND OVER AT THE SKYROCKET.
SO IN TERMS OF FIRE SPRINKLERS, LIKE, LIKE I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, THE HISTORIC USE OF THE MASONIC LODGE AND IS, IS AN ASSEMBLY OCCUPANCY.
SO IT'S WHAT WE CALL AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING CONDITION.
IT WAS BUILT AS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, UM, AND MET CODE REQUIREMENTS AT THE TIME OF ITS CONSTRUCTION.
IF THEY WERE TO ADD SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THE BUILDING DUE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, LIKE MORE THAN 50% OF THE ROOF TO INCLUDE THE DECKING COMES OFF, THEN WE WOULD REQUIRE SPRINKLERS.
SO THE WAY IT SITS RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE IT'S AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING CONDITION, BUT IT'S NOT CHANGED FROM AN ASSEMBLY TO AN ASSEMBLY.
EVEN THOUGH THE DEFINITIONS OF ASSEMBLIES HAVE CHANGED THROUGHOUT TIME IN THE, IN THE BUILDING CODES, WE STILL HONOR THAT CONDITION UNTIL THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE OCCUPANCY OR ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, AN EMERGENCY EVENT UP THERE, IT'S, IT IS TIGHT.
UM, BUT, BUT AGAIN, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN ALLOWED TO THE, AND THIS IS WHY WE'RE NOT ALLOWING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE TO ADDING ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC UP THERE, THAT'S WHERE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE SECONDARY ACCESS ROAD AS WELL AS, AND I KNOW MR. ROSE HAS BEEN WORKING, HAS BEEN WORKING HARD AT GETTING ADDITIONAL WATER SUPPLY RESOURCES UP THERE.
UM, WE'VE GOT SOME PLANS IN THE, FROM THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW FOR THE AIRPORT PARCEL.
IT'S THE INTERIOR FENCE, IF YOU WILL, FOR BACKUP GENERATORS ON THEIR FIRE PUMP, ADDITIONAL WATER TANKS FOR THE FIRE SUPPRESSION IN ITSELF.
I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU TOO.
I WAS WONDERING, DOES SEDONA FIRE
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HOUSE ANY FIRE TRUCKS OR EMERGENCY VEHICLES UP AT THE AIRPORT ROAD? WE DO NOT.CAN I SWITCH TO A DIFFERENT TOPIC, UM, OR QUESTION? SO WHAT IS AGAVE ACROSS THE ROAD THERE? WHAT IS IT ZONED AS? DO YOU KNOW? THE, I THINK I KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I'M GONNA CHECK JUST TO MAKE SURE.
SO THE ELKS LODGE IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL, SO IT'S A
IT'S ALSO OLD, OLD, UM, BUT IT, YEAH, SO IT, SO IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CLUB OR LODGE, WHICH IS A CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED USE IN THE RS 10 ZONE, WHICH IS WHAT IT'S, WAIT, I'M SORRY.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ELKS OR, OR AGAVE? YES.
IS THAT THE BEST WESTERN FACILITY? UH, AGAVE? NO, AGAVE.
AGAVE IS THE ONE YOU GO UP IS ZONED COMMERCIAL.
WHERE WE HAD, UM, WE HAD THE, UH, VOLUNTEER APPRECIATION EVENT THERE A FEW YEARS AGO.
IT'S A WEDDING FACILITY YOU GO UP TO.
ANYWAY, SO, I'M SORRY, AGAVE IS COMMERCIAL.
ALSO HAS CONFERENCE MEETING FACILITY AS A PERMITTED USE.
SO THE USE IS, IS IT'S COMMERCIAL PERMIT.
THE, BUT THE PERMITTED USES ARE AT LEAST FOR CONFERENCE MEETING FACILITY, THEY'RE IS PERMITTED IN BOTH ZONES.
AND
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THAT, BUT I'M TRYING TO THINK OF OTHER SIMILAR ACTIVITIES HERE.
FACILITIES AND HOW ARE THEY CLASSIFIED? I, I'M, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHERS.
CAN YOU THINK OF OTHERS THAT WOULD BE THE SAME SORT OF COMPARABLE? COMPARABLE, YEAH.
UM, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.
THE LIBRARY AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE MEETING FACILITIES, THE, YOU KNOW, POSSE, GROUND PARK IS COMMUNITY FACILITIES AND WE HAVE, UH, THE AMPHITHEATER CONCERT VENUE.
NOT JUST COMMUNITY FACILITIES, BUT THEN HAVE THIS OTHER COMMERCIAL COMPONENT TO IT IS COMMERCIAL.
THERE'S MONEY EXCHANGE IN HANDS.
SO THERE'S, THEY HAVE WEDDINGS AT THE, AT BARBARA ANDERSON, DON'T THEY? I'VE SEEN, WELL, I'VE, THAT, LET ME NOT, THAT'S NOT A QUESTION.
I'VE SEEN WEDDINGS
WE'RE TALKING CHANGE IN HANDS AND WEDDINGS.
DOES THE LIBRARY EVER HAVE PRIVATE EVENTS? I'M NOT GONNA, I DUNNO THE ANSWER.
YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE MEETING ROOM THERE.
UM, I, I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WHOLE SORT OF CORPORATE STRUCTURE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT, OH, OKAY.
SO IF, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF DEGREES OF SEPARATION HERE.
IF, UH, A BRIDE AND GROOM COME AND WANT TO RENT A FACILITY AND HAVE AN EVENT THERE, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING IN THEIR OWN VENDORS FOR, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, BUT SOME ASPECT OF IT AS OPPOSED TO YOUR CONTRACTING FOR THOSE.
IS THAT CORRECT? IF IT'S A SERVICE THAT WE DON'T OFFER, WE, IT CAN BE CONTRACTED THROUGH A LIST OF, OF PREFERRED VENDORS.
THEY ARE REQUIRED TO SHARE INSURANCE WITH US ON THE PROPERTY SO THAT IT'S NOT LIKE, IT'S NOT A COMPLETE LIST.
THEY COULDN'T BRING IN ANYONE.
THEY'D HAVE TO BRING IN VENDORS FROM APPROVED LIST, WHICH IS TYPICALLY HOW ANY MEETING FACILITY WOULD WORK.
AND SO THOSE APPROVED VENDORS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU YOURSELF ARE REQUIRED, ARE SUBJECT TO IN A CUP USE OF THE SITE, IS SUBJECT TO ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
REGARDLESS OF WHO, REGARDLESS OF WHO, 'CAUSE IT'S ALL, THAT'S WHAT I'M, WHAT I MEAN, WHEN I, WHEN I MENTIONED THE TUP EARLIER, IT'S STILL US, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE ARE THE LEASE HOLDER, WE ARE THE APPLICANT FOR THE CUP ALONG WITH THE AIRPORT.
SO WE, UM, SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO ABIDE BY THEM AT, AT ANY TIME ON THE PROPERTY WITH NO EXCEPTIONS.
I'M, I'M JUST THINKING OF ENFORCEABILITY ON SOME OF THESE THINGS.
I MEAN, IT, LIKE I SAID, IT GETS A LITTLE ATTENUATED THERE, BUT, UM, I ALWAYS THINK OF LIKE, WORST CASE, WHAT HAPPENS.
WORST CASE, YOU KNOW, I MAYBE I'M A GLASS HALF FULL PERSON, SORRY, BUT YOU'RE, ANYWAY, UM, GLASSES REMINDS ME OF DRINKING AND, YOU KNOW, DRINKING AND DRIVING UP THAT ROAD ARE KIND OF A SCARY THOUGHT.
UM, I LIMIT MYSELF TO ONE GLASS OF WINE IF WE GO TO MM-HMM.
UM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE A LIQUOR LICENSE.
I SAW ON YOUR WEBSITE SOME SORT
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OF, AGAIN, RATHER COMPLICATED BYOB THING, EXPLAIN HOW ALCOHOL IS HANDLED NOW.YEAH, SO WE MANAGE ALL USE OF ALCOHOL ON ANY PROPERTY THAT WE, THAT WE, THAT WE OVERSEE.
UM, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE A LIQUOR LICENSE, IN THIS CASE WITH THE, UH, MASONIC LODGE, WE DO NOT, UM, AT THE TIME BEING, SO IT WOULD MEAN THAT THEY BUY, THEY PURCHASE THE ALCOHOL FROM A RETAIL PERSPECTIVE, IT MEANS THAT WE WOULD CREATE A CART FOR THEM AT LIKE A TOTAL WINE OR ANOTHER RETAILER.
WE'VE ALSO WORKED WITH LIKE INDIAN GARDENS FOR WINE FOR INSTANCE, THEY WOULD PURCHASE THE WINE VIA THEIR CREDIT CARD THAT AS BY ARIZONA LAW, THEY HAVE TO BUY IT.
WE CAN'T SELL IT TO THEM IF WE DON'T HAVE A LICENSE.
AND THEN WE WOULD PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES AND THEN ALSO SERVICE TO THE, TO THE CLIENT THEMSELVES.
WE CONTROL CONSUMPTION AND WE DO NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO OVER CONSUME BECAUSE WE'RE SUBJECT TO THE SAME DR SHOP SHOP LAWS THAT ANYONE SERVING ALCOHOL AT ANY TIME ARE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
IF YOU GUYS AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH DR SHOP, IT MEANS THAT WHEREVER YOU LAST CONSUMED A GLASS OF WINE OR ANY SPIRIT OF S LIQUOR, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO THEM AFTERWARD, EVEN IF THEY DRANK THEMSELVES BEFORE THEY EVEN ARRIVED.
UH, MEANING, MEANING IF THEY GET INTO A WRONG WAY, DRIVER ACCIDENT, FLY OFF THE ROAD AT THE MESA, ANY OF THIS STUFF, WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE AND WE COULD BE IMPRISONED, UM, AND, AND HAVE OUR LIVES COMPLETELY DESTROYED BY OVER SERVING SOMETHING YOU SIMPLY DON'T DO WHEN YOU'RE IN OUR LINE OF BUSINESS.
UM, THAT'S WHY I'VE, I'VE RESPONDED TO PEOPLE IN ALL THE COMMUNITY COMMENTS.
WE SIMPLY DO NOT OVERSERVE, WE'RE VERY, UM, MILITANT ABOUT IT.
UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL BARTENDERS WHO ARE ALL, UM, SERVE SAFE CERTIFIED, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UM, LIQUOR LIABILITY INSURANCE THAT, THAT APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS GA UH, INSURANCE, UH, OR GL INSURANCE THAT, UH, SUPPORTS US ON THAT SIDE AS WELL.
BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE WILL NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO OVER CONSUME IN OUR PROPERTIES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO WHEN YOU SAY YOU, UM, PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SHUTTLE SERVICES OR WHAT, WHAT DID YOU IT DEPENDS ON THE EVENT.
UM, MOST PEOPLE, MOST OF OUR GROUPS PREFER TRANSPORTATION.
SO WHAT MEAN, WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE WOULD WORK WITH JET LIMO OR ARIZONA, UM, AZ LIMO OR A DRIVER PROVIDER, ANY OF THE REST OF THE, OF THE, UM, SHUTTLE SERVICE PROVIDERS.
AND WE WOULD TAKE UP WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PURCHASING THE LIQUOR OR THEY, THEY, THEY TRANSPORT THE LIQUOR TO THE, THE SITE.
THEY, OH, THEY, WE TRANSPORT IT, BUT WE DO NOT SELL IT TO THE CLIENT.
AND THEN, AND WE DON'T, AND WE ALSO CONTROL THE, THE, THEIR ACCESS TO IT AFTER WE HAVE IT ON SITE.
BASICALLY WE'RE HIRED AND WE REQUIRE THAT OUR SERVICES ARE HIRED FOR, FOR ANY KIND OF BARTENDING.
UM, WE DON'T ALLOW OUTSIDE VENDORS FOR BARTENDING WHATSOEVER.
MEANING THAT WE CONTROL THEIR ACCESS TO THEIR OWN SPIRITS.
WE CAN'T SELL IT TO THEM, BUT WE CAN KEEP THEM FROM DRINKING IT.
AND IF THEY TRY TO BREAK OUR RULES, WE'LL, WE'LL REMOVE THEM FROM THE SITE, UH, BECAUSE IT'S MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH.
I MEAN, WE DON'T, WE DON'T REALLY PLAY AROUND WITH IT AT ALL, JUST TO BE CLEAR.
WE'RE MUCH MORE SERIOUS THAN A, THAN A A, A RESTAURANT OR BAR WOULD BE BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, WE'RE UNDER A MICROSCOPE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, AND THE SITE VISIT TODAY, I THINK A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.
UM, I HAVE A FEW TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
UM, THANK YOU, KURT, FOR EXPLAINING THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS REALLY STRUGGLING WITH.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME IN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT PUBLIC, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION AROUND THAT, MYSELF INCLUDED.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN FACT, ONE PERSON WROTE IN AND EXPLAINED IT VERY ARTICULATELY ABOUT THE DIFFERENT USES AND COMMUNITY FACILITIES AND WHY IS IT, YOU KNOW, NOT A RESTAURANT AND COMMERCIAL, AND WHY IS IT NOT BEING REZONED? AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE IN DEPTH EXPLANATION OF THAT BECAUSE THAT'S PROVIDED CLARITY FOR ME.
UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE WANNA COMPARE THIS TO SKY RANCH.
DOES SKY RANCH HAVE ANY LIMITS ON NOISE? ARE THEY ALLOWED TO DO OUTDOOR BANDS AND THEIR LIMITS ON NOISE WOULD BE JUST THE STANDARD CITY CODE LIMITS? MM-HMM.
SO BECAUSE THEY'RE A HOTEL WITH THE LODGE AND ZONING, THE EVENTS ARE PART OF THAT ALLOWANCE.
SO WE DON'T REALLY GET TO CONTROL A LOT OTHER THAN IF THE NOISE IS EXCEEDING THE STANDARD REQUIREMENTS.
I ALSO HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY THAT LIVES DOWN AT THE BASE OF THE, UH, THE MESA THERE TODAY TO ASK THEM.
THEY'D BEEN LIVING THERE FOR 20 YEARS AND THEY JUST MOVED OUT LAST YEAR TO ASK THEIR OPINION OF THE NOISE AS WELL.
UM, AND INTERESTINGLY, THEY SAID THE MOST OFFENSIVE NOISE TO THEM WERE PEOPLE ON THE TRAIL
AND IN THEIR 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, THEY'VE HEARD VERY LITTLE.
UM, SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING AS FAR AS SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK.
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UM, WHAT ABOUT SOME TECHNICAL, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING THAT WAS FLAGGED WAS WHAT'S THE SITUATION WITH THE EXISTING SEPTIC SYSTEM? IS THAT SUFFICIENT FOR USE? IS THERE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT? COUNTY REGULATES SEPTIC, THE CITY DOES NOT.SO IT WOULD JUST BE UP TO THE AIRPORT AND THEN THE APPLICANT TO EVALUATE IT AND DETERMINE IF UPGRADES ARE NEEDED.
WE'VE EVALUATED, WE'VE EVALUATED IT.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT OLD SEPTIC SYSTEM.
IT'S WORKING GOOD FOR OUR PURPOSES.
UM, WE'VE REVIEWED IT WITH BOTH THE AIRPORT AND THE COUNTY, AND WE'RE, WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.
UM, FOR, FOR OUR REGULAR, I MEAN, IF WE DO A LARGE EVENT LIKE THOSE RARE, YOU KNOW, 250 PERSON EVENTS, WE BRING IN SUPPLEMENTARY RESTROOM JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE OF STALL ACCESS.
THERE'S ONLY THREE STALLS IN EACH.
EXCUSE ME, I'M SO BAD AT THIS
UM, WE WOULD, WE WOULD BRING IN SUPPLEMENTARY RESTROOMS JUST SIMPLY FOR COMFORT.
UM, YOU MENTIONED COMPOSTING, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATE.
UM, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT RECYCLING.
DO YOU USE PAPER PRODUCTS OR DO YOU USUALLY BRING IN, LIKE YOU'RE SPEAKING OUR LANGUAGE NOW? NO, WE ARE, WE ARE A CONSERVATIONIST ORGANIZATION, SO WE, UM, WE USE GLASS FOR ALL OF OUR EVENTS.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T USE DISPOSABLES, UH, AT ANY TIME.
IF A GROUP WANTS TO HAVE LIKE A LATE NIGHT, UM, SNACK OR SOMETHING ON A BAMBOO PLATE WILL ALLOW IT.
BUT WE DO USE COMMERCIAL COMPOSTING IN THOSE CASES.
UM, AND THEN ANY KIND OF, ANY KIND OF LIKE ALUMINUM CAN OR BOTTLE THAT'S GENERATED BECAUSE OF SIMPLY HOW THESE, THESE ITEMS ARE TRANSPORTED, UM, WE, UH, WE RECYCLE ALL OF THAT, UM, OR, OR COMMERCIALLY.
AND THEN WE DON'T, EVEN JUST AS A COMPANY, WE DON'T USE ZIP TIES.
UM, WE DON'T USE ANY DISPOSABLE TRANSPORTATION MECHANISMS. GREAT.
UM, WHAT IS THE THRESHOLD FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING? I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT THAT.
UM, LIKE IT SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO NOTIFY YOU AHEAD OF TIME BASED ON YOUR CONTRACT TERMS THAT IF THEY WERE GONNA BE ADDING ADDITIONAL PEOPLE.
SO IT COULDN'T BE A SITUATION WHERE THE PARKING IS UNPREPARED FOR PRIOR TO THE EVENT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA KNOW THE SITUATION AND ADDITIONAL PEOPLE CAN'T JUST POP IN.
SO MOST OF OUR GROUPS OPT FOR TRANSPORTATION.
IN THE RARE CASE THAT A MEDIUM OR LARGE SIZED GROUP THAT WOULD NEED MORE THAN THE 41 SPACES WE HAVE ON PROPERTY ASKED US FOR SUPPLEMENTARY PARKING, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LEASE OUT PART OF THE AIRPORT, UM, OVERLOOK LOT.
UM, WE'VE KIND OF TALKED WITH THEM AND WE CAN USE, YOU KNOW, UP TO A, UP TO A THIRD OF THAT.
I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY SPACES THAT THAT ENTAILS.
IT'S MORE THAN WE NEED BECAUSE IF WE ARE USING MORE THAN THAT, I MEAN, THE AIRPORT WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY HAVE TONS OF PARKING.
WE DON'T EVEN WANNA PLAY THAT GAME, IN OUR OPINION.
ONCE WE REACH THAT, LIKE, I THINK WE HAVE IT IN THE APPLICATION.
I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE IT MEMORIZED, BUT I THINK IT'S LIKE 65 OR SOMETHING.
UM, WE AUTOMATICALLY REVERT TO TRANSPORTATION ONLY.
WE DON'T ALLOW ANYONE TO DRIVE AT THAT POINT.
I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOR NOW.
EVERYONE SEEMS TO HAVE COVERED MOST OF MY QUESTIONS,
I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT YOU MADE TODAY DURING THE SITE VISITS AND AGAIN TODAY, UH, THIS EVENING TO DISCUSS THE DECIBELS AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER CONCERNS LIKE THE SEPTIC AND THE TRANSPORTATION.
UM, IF I GO BACK TO MY, FROM THE HIGH VIEW TO LOWER VIEW.
YOU GOT, CAN I PIGGYBACK THE SUSTAINABLE QUESTION BEFORE YOU, JIM, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE THERE, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? WHAT KIND OF QUESTION DID YOU SAY? THE PIGGYBACK.
SUSTAINABLE, THE, A SUSTAINABLE QUESTION SURE.
CAN YOU GIVE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF WHAT, UM, DREAM STANDARDS ARE FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW THEM? THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA BE HARD FOR, OR DO YOU KNOW IT THE DREAM IS THE ACRONYM THAT WE USE FOR OUR DESIGN REVIEW, ENGINEERING AND ADMINISTRATIVE MANUAL.
SO IT'S WHERE WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO IS THE DREAM STANDARDS FOR LANDSCAPING AS OUR NATIVE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS.
AND WE'VE ALREADY DONE MOST OF THE LANDSCAPING THAT WE INTEND TO DO ON THE PROPERTY.
I MEAN, THERE MIGHT BE SOME REMOVAL OF JUST LIKE, UM, BRUSH, YOU KNOW, SAGE BRUSH, THIS TYPE OF THING.
WE DON'T TOUCH ANY KIND OF BARREL CACTUS, NONE OF THIS TYPE OF THING.
AND IT'S ALREADY KIND OF RED ROCK UNDERNEATH WHAT USED TO BE A, A, A, LIKE A CEMENT POURED PATHWAY THAT WE PULLED OUT.
AND THEN WE PLANTED NATIVE GRASSES UP THERE ON DREAM STANDARDS.
SO, UM, KIND OF THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, UM,
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GOING THROUGH ALL THE CITIZENS' COMMENTS, AND I KNOW KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING OVER A HUNDRED PAGES OF COMMENTS, UH, AND I CAN'T SAY I READ EVERYONE IN DETAIL, BUT 95% SEEM TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE.AND I KNOW YOU'VE GOT SOME ANECDOTAL INFORMATION REGARDING SOME OF YOUR EVENTS AND GOING OUT WITH A SOUND METER.
UM, WE'VE HAD PROJECTS BEFORE WHERE THEY'VE COME IN AND THEY'VE HAD PROFESSIONAL NOISE ANALYSIS, UH, THAT, THAT COME, WOULD COME IN AND REALLY CERTIFY SOUND LEVELS AND SO FORTH.
AND READING THE COMMENTS FROM THE, THE LOCALS, A LOT OF CONCERNS.
UH, MAYBE THEY'RE POINTING THE FINGER AT, UM, SKY RANCH.
I DON'T THINK YOU'VE HAD THAT MANY EVENTS THAT WOULD'VE CREATED NOISE AND MAYBE PE PEOPLE'S I'M DOING THE SAME THING.
BUT, UM, I'M THINKING THAT IF THERE'S ENOUGH CONCERN THAT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER ASKING YOU ABOUT.
YEAH, I THINK THE, THE PROBLEM I THINK WITH PROFESSIONAL LIKE CERTIFICATION OF NOISE STANDARDS IS, IS THE ASSUMPTION OF OUTDOOR SPEAKERS.
WE DON'T REALLY EVEN WANT TO PLACE PERMANENT SPEAKERS ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT SUGGESTS THE USE THAT WE DON'T LIKE.
WE MIGHT NOT, EVEN FOR SOME OF OUR EVENTS THIS YEAR, WE DIDN'T EVEN NEED AMPLIFIED SOUND OF ANY KIND.
UM, IF THERE'S SPEAKERS, YOU'LL USE THEM.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE OPTED FOR, FOR CASE BY CASE BASIS.
THAT'S WHY WE MEASURE IT OURSELVES.
WE ARE ALSO AVAILABLE AT ALL OF OUR, WE HAVE A TEAM OF, ON EVERY SINGLE EVENT, SO OUR TEAM GOES DOWN TO PANORAMA WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO ACCESS A PUBLIC ROAD AND THEY MEASURE AT THE EDGE OF THE SITE.
AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A SINGLE COMPLAINT.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST SKY RANCH LODGE, UH, NOT TO THROW THEM UNDER THE BUS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY COULD DO A LITTLE BIT AND GO A LONG WAY FOR NOISE MITIGATION.
I THINK THAT WE COULD PAVE THE WAY, SO TO SPEAK, UH, FOR THAT PROCESS BECAUSE WE'VE DONE IT WITHOUT ANY CONCERN.
I HAD A, A CONVERSATION WITH MARIA WEST EARLIER TODAY, UM, AND SHE EXPLAINED TO ME, SHE'D FILED A NOISE COMPLAINT THAT WAS ATTACHED TO US.
AND, AND I'VE, I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR A LONG TIME THAT IT WAS ON AN EVENT DAY THAT WE HAD POSTED A PUBLIC EVENT, BUT THEN WE DIDN'T HOST IT.
UM, AND THAT'S DRIVEN HER NUTS BECAUSE IT MAKES IT SEEM LIKE IT'S SOMETHING IT'S NOT.
IT WAS ACTUALLY SKY RANCH LODGE THAT THAT, THAT SHE HAD LODGED A COMPLAINT AGAINST, AND IT WAS CONNECTED TO US.
BUT THIS IS THE THING, LIKE 36 EVENTS IS STILL A LOT.
AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF THEM WERE ONLY PERMITTED WITH THE COUNTY, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD A SINGLE COMPLAINT.
AND BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE OF OUR PROCESS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN DO THE EXACT SAME THING.
IF THERE'S EVER A CONCERN, I DON'T KNOW.
I EXPECT ZERO COMPLAINTS IS OUR GOAL.
AND IF THERE'S EVER A CONCERN, WE'RE GONNA REVERT TO THIS SYSTEM THAT'S IN OUR CUP APPLICATION OR IN, IN CARRIE'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL THAT SAYS THAT A COMPLIANCE OFFICER WILL HAVE TO ATTEND OUR EVENTS AT OUR AT COST TO US IF WE FAIL TO COMPLY WITH OUR CUP APPLICATION, WHICH I THINK IS MORE ROBUST THAN A A ONE TIME SOUND STUDY.
AND, UM, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT COMES ABOUT NEXT YEAR IF THERE ARE ISSUES YEAH.
WITH IT, WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVE YOU LOOK AT.
UH, UH, ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WHEN WE RECEIVED THE PACKET, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'VE HAD FIVE OR SIX EVENTS, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR, UH, THROUGH THIS EVENING.
WE FOUND OUT THAT IT'S PROBABLY MORE IN THE MID THIRTIES WITH ALL OF YOUR, YOUR EVENTS, IT SEEMS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, FORMER BUSINESS OWNER AND SO FORTH.
IT SEEMS LIKE KIND A LEAP OF FAITH TO GO FROM 30 SOME EVENTS TO 120 EVENTS, UH, IN THE STARTUP OF THIS NEW NEW OPERATION.
SO IS, ARE YOU JUST THROWING THAT NUMBER OUT NUMBER? IT'S NOT BE 120 EVENT NUMBER THAT WILL NEVER BE YEAH, NO WAY WE'RE GONNA HIT THAT NUMBER.
I MEAN, I WOULD THINK YOU'D BE REALLY HAPPY IF YOU DID.
BUT BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE CAN, 'CAUSE WE CAN ABIDE BY THE NOISE RULES AND WE'RE NOT GONNA AFFECT ANYONE WITH THESE EVENTS AS DORY STATED, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT USING ANY MORE THAN THE ALLOWED PARKING SPACES.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN A MEETING FACILITY.
HOWEVER, WE SIMPLY WON'T BE ABLE TO SELL THAT AMOUNT.
OUR NORMAL SALES TIMELINE, THIS IS THE HARD THING ABOUT THE CUP FOR OUR BUSINESS MODEL ANYWAY, IS THAT OUR, OUR ACTUAL MODEL REQUIRES THAT WE SELL 18 MONTHS OUT MOST OF THE TIME.
SO WE REALLY AREN'T, AREN'T GONNA BE SELLING TO MOST OF OUR CUSTOMERS.
IF THE CP IS GRANTED UNDER THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES, WE'RE GONNA BE SELLING THE NEAR TERM EVENTS, WHICH ARE MORE CORPORATE, SMALLER.
YOU KNOW, LIKE YOUR, YOUR 30 50 PERSON EVENTS THAT BOOK A MONTH OR TWO OUT INSTEAD OF 18 MONTHS, LIKE A WEDDING.
SO I THINK WE'LL DO, I, I BET WE'LL ADD FIVE WEDDINGS AT MOST, YOU KNOW, NOTHING
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CLOSE TO WHAT WE HAVE ON THE LIST.UM, SO IF YOU WANTED TO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD DO IT IN THE ROOM AND REDUCE IT.
I WOULDN'T WANNA WAIT FOR ANOTHER MEETING BECAUSE ED NEEDS HIS MONEY.
NO, UH, WE ARE, UH, WE, WE, UM, YEAH, WE, WE, WE WANT, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A HARD NUMBER WITH TWO WORK SHE'LL.
IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT AT, AT ALL OF OUR, WE, WE RUN 18 VENUES IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.
UM, WE'VE DONE, WE HAVEN'T DONE 120 EVENTS AT ANY OF OUR VENUES EVER.
I THINK THE MOST WE'VE EVER DONE IS WHAT, 70 MAYBE 70 AT THE MOST.
SO A NOT SO IT'S A NEGOTIABLE NUMBER.
BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE 10 EVENTS A WEEK, NOT TWO TWO.
OH, THAT WAS PRETTY POOR MATH.
WE'VE BEEN WHACKING THE MICROPHONES ALL NIGHT.
I JUST DID IT AGAIN WHILE TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FINE.
UM, YEAH, IT'S 2.1 EVENTS A WEEK IS, IS WHAT WE WORKED OUT.
AND, AND AGAIN, THAT THERE'S NO WAY.
IT'S JUST NOT, WE'RE WE'RE TOO, WE'RE TOO FAR INTO THE, UH, INTO 25, 25 ALREADY FROM A SALES PERSPECTIVE TO, TO HIT IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN COME BACK TO.
WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS, YEAH, WE WANT THAT 120 NUMBER IN THERE BECAUSE WHEN WE GO FOR APPROVAL, WE DON'T WANNA, WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE MISSION CREEP FOR THE COMMUNITY.
WE'D LOVE TO JUST SAY WE'RE APPROVED.
WE DON'T REALLY EXPECT TO INCREASE THAT MAXIMUM EVER.
UM, SO WHEN WE APPLY FOR RENEWAL, WE WON'T NEED TO CHANGE OUR COP DRAMATICALLY, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK WOULD BE ATTRACTIVE TO THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT, WHAT ARE SORT OF ON THAT SAME TOPIC, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE, UM, AIRPORT'S BOARD'S EXPECTATIONS OF YOU? HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN.
UM, ARE THEY LOOKING FOR A CERTAIN RETURN ON THIS LEASE? I MEAN, MOST OF THE MONEY THE AIRPORT WILL MAKE IS IN THE FORM OF A LEASE PAYMENT.
I BELIEVE OUR LEASE PAYMENT IS SO THAT, THAT'S A FIXED, IT'S A FIXED AMOUNT.
THEY DO COLLECT A SMALL PERCENTAGE.
CAN YOU REMIND ME, LIV? WELL, WAS IT, WE'LL, WE'LL HEAR FROM MR. ROSE.
YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY NOMINAL PERCENTAGE.
I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS ONLINE 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THE NEXT DOOR.
UM, WE'VE WORKED IT OUT OVER THE COURSE OF THE LEASE AND THEY'LL MAKE, MAJORITY OF THE EARNINGS THAT THEY'LL MAKE WILL BE FROM THE LEASE AMOUNT, WHICH IS AROUND $10,000 A MONTH.
CAN YOU PLEASE, WHAT IS THAT? 95? 9,500.
UM, YEAH, SO I WASN'T NECESSARILY ASKING YOU TO DISCLOSE THAT.
I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS WERE OF, OF THE LESSOR.
I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY HERE BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTARY AROUND MISSION CREEP AND HOW THE AIRPORT WILL NATURALLY WANT US TO DO MORE EVENTS TO MAKE MORE MONEY.
AND THERE JUST REALLY ISN'T AN INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO DO THAT IN THE WAY THAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED.
UH, IS THERE ANY SCENARIO WHERE WE GO THROUGH CS A FEW TIMES AND THEN WE GO TO REZONING? 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH OTHER REPETITIVE CS.
IS THIS LIKE, UH, FIVE TO 10 YEAR FUTURE REZONE OF THE NON PARCEL? LIKE THE, SO GENERALLY A REZONING IS NOT SUPPORTED IN THE CASE WHERE A CUP IS POSSIBLE.
UM, IT IS JUST, THAT'S AN UNNECESSARY STEP.
AND THEN ALSO, I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT AIR, I'M SHOCKED
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE AIRPORT IS LOOKING TO DIVIDE THEIR PARCEL.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE DID THE REZONE, WE, UM, THE CODE CHANGED A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
THAT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO DO REZONINGS ON PORTIONS OF PROPERTIES.
SO WE COULDN'T, UNLESS THE AIRPORT WAS WILLING TO DO A LAND SPLIT THAT CREATES THIS AS ITS OWN PARCEL, WE LIKELY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WANT TO SEE THE WHOLE AIRPORT REZONED.
IT, IT WAS MORE LIKE, COULD THEY DO THE SAME THING THAT SKY LODGE RANCH BRIDGE LODGE? YEAH.
SO SKY RANCH LODGE DID DO, LIKE, THEY CREATED A LEGAL DESCRIPTION WITHIN THE AIRPORT PARCEL FOR THE REZONING.
UM, WE DON'T ALLOW THAT ANYMORE.
UM, SO THERE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PROPERTY SPLIT.
AND SO, I MEAN, I GUESS THERE'S TECHNICALLY A, A COURSE TO DO IT, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S NO BENEFIT WHEN A CUP CAN BE.
I'M NOT SURE I KNEW THAT ABOUT CS.
WILL, DID YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP? NO MORE.
UM, I HAVE A FEW I I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
I'M LOOKING AT YOU HANUKAH, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA GET INTO TRAFFIC HERE.
UM, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL COMMU,
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UH, CUMULATIVE IMPACTS OF OTHER BUSINESSES THAT EXIST ON AIRPORT MESA THAT ATTRACT, UH, VISITORS, UH, PAID GUESTS, WHATEVER, UM, ALL AT THE SAME TIME AT THE GOLDEN HOUR AT SUNSET.SO I'VE BEEN APPRISED THAT MESA GRILL DOES WEDDINGS, UH, SKY RANCH LODGE DOES WEDDINGS, UH, WE KNOW THERE'S A OVERLOOK THERE.
TYPICALLY PEOPLE COME FOR SUNSET PICTURES THERE AS WELL.
AND THEN THE VORTEX, UM, AIRPORT VORTEX TRAIL.
SO THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO PREVIOUS STUDIES IN THE STAFF REPORT IS BEING DEFINITIVE FOR WHAT THE TRAFFIC SITUATION WITH THIS ADDED, UM, USE, UM, WOULD ENCOMPASS.
SO CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THAT TRAFFIC STUDY SAID ABOUT VOLUME AND, AND WHAT IS YOUR ASSESSMENT ABOUT THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT OF THIS ADDITIONAL USE ON AIRPORT MESA? SO TECHNICALLY SIMILAR TO DORY'S COMMENT ABOUT THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY AN INCREASE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE BECAUSE IT WAS TECHNICALLY ALREADY AN EXISTING USE.
I'M NOT COUNTING THIS AS A ACCUMULATION.
IT'S MORE LIKE WE, WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THAT TRAFFIC BEFORE THEY WERE THERE, BUT THEY WERE TECHNICALLY ALLOWED TO HAVE IT.
UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS, BUT REAL TRAFFIC, NEW TRAFFIC WILL MANIFEST.
UM, FROM THEIR TRAFFIC GENERATION STATEMENT, IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T CROSS OUR THRESHOLD FOR REQUIRING ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, REQUIRING ADDITIONAL STUDIES.
UM, FURTHERMORE, I THINK, I HONESTLY THINK MORE TRAFFIC GOES TO THAT TRAILHEAD ALREADY DURING A SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME.
LIKE IT'S MORE INTENSE CURRENTLY.
UM, THEIR TRAFFIC IS SPREAD OUT OVER THE COURSE OF HALF A DAY.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A NON-ISSUE.
UM, HOWEVER, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO REQUEST, UM, SPEED AND COUNTS AND, YOU KNOW, SEE IF, IF WE DO SEE OF ANYTHING SPEEDING AND VOLUMES OF CONCERNS, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT AND MAYBE POTENTIALLY MAKE IMPROVEMENTS LIKE RUMPEL STRIPS OR, OR UM,
NOT, I'M NOT A, MAYBE NOT SPEED BUMPS, BUT SPEED FEEDBACK SIGNS.
THERE ARE DEFINITELY THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO BARELY
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY SENSE OF THE VOLUME OF WEDDINGS THAT ARE GOING ON OR THE AMOUNT OF VISITOR THAT ARE AT THE OVERLOOK ON A DAILY BASIS? MAYBE THE AIRPORT KNOWS THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF PROVIDING THAT NOW AND COLLECTING REVENUE.
I'D BE, I'D, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF, IF, IF WE HAVE SOME NUMBERS THAT CAN MEASURE THE IMPACTS WITH THIS ADDITIONAL USE THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE TRAIL, THE OVERLOOK, WHAT'S GOING ON AT MESA GRILL.
APPARENTLY THEY'RE DOING WEDDINGS AS WELL.
SO, DO WE HAVE ANY DATA? I'M GONNA LET ED ROSE SPEAK TO THAT WHEN HE JUMPS ON THE MICROPHONE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
ADD THAT TO YOUR LIST IN, BUT STILL THREE MINUTES.
UM, YOU REFERENCED, UH, YOU HAVE PREFERRED VENDORS AND I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE NON-LOCAL.
SO WHAT IS YOUR LOCAL EMPLOYMENT CONTRIBUTION OR SURE.
ONCE WE HAVE THIS CUP, WE EXPECT TO CREATE TWO FULL-TIME SALARIED RULES, UM, ABOVE A LIVING WAGE OF, OF, OF $70,000, UM, ANNUALLY.
AND THEN WE HAVE, I MEAN WE HAVE SOME PERKS THAT WE PUT IN OUR ORIGINAL RFP, UM, JUST LAID OUT.
THEY AREN'T IN THE COP 'CAUSE IT JUST DIDN'T FEEL RELEVANT TO YOUR QUESTIONS.
BUT I'M GLAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW.
UM, WE HAVE UNLIMITED VACATION FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, PAID DENTAL VISION, UH, FULL HEALTHCARE PACKAGE, ALL OF THAT.
SO WE, WE WE'RE A GOOD JOB, I BELIEVE.
AND THEN, UM, WE WILL HAVE A HANDFUL OF CONTRACTORS.
PEOPLE ARE, ARE, 'CAUSE WE'RE, 'CAUSE OUR COMPANY IS A FUN COMPANY TO WORK FOR.
WE'RE, WE'RE LOVED IN THE ARIZONA COMMUNITY.
UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LOVE TO WORK WITH US AS THEIR SECOND JOB, THEIR FUN JOB, RIGHT.
SO THEY'RE WORKING REMOTE AT HOME, MANY OF THEM.
WE HAVE MULTIPLE PROFESSIONALS AROUND SEDONA THAT WORK WITH US, UH, ON, ON AN AD HOC BASIS.
UM, WHICH PUT SOME MONEY IN THEIR POCKET, BUT UM, WOULDN'T COUNT AS A FULL-TIME JOB.
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OKAY.I THINK WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS FINALLY.
AND THEN AFTER THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK.
SO I'M GONNA CALL THESE NAMES IN THE ORDER IN WHICH I RECEIVED THEM ROUGHLY.
AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
COME ON UP TO THE MIC, POSITION IT IN FRONT OF YOUR MOUTH PLEASE.
AND STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
CAN WE JUST GET UP AND EAT? I HAVE TO USE THE BATHROOM.
I, I HAVE TO USE THE RESTROOM.
WE'LL TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WE'RE READY TO RECONVENE IF EVERYONE COULD TAKE THEIR SEATS UNLESS THEY'RE JUST STILL STRETCHING.
ANYTIME I'M HOT AND I CAN'T HEAR, SO YOU HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE ME.
WE ARE GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM NOW AND WE'LL START WITH MICHAEL.
AND YOU'RE FOLLOWED BY DAVE SWORD OUT.
UM, I'M HERE OPPOSING THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
DO, WOULD YOU JUST, UH, RESTATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE? MICHAEL V TECH.
I LIVE AT 5 5 0 SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE, CITY OF RESIDENCE.
AND AS OUR CITY ATTORNEY POINTED OUT, THE LAND UP THERE WAS GIVEN TO YBA COUNTY FOR AN AIRPORT.
IT WASN'T GIVEN FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT AN AIRPORT.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD THREE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE EVICTED FROM THE AIRPORT BECAUSE THEY DID NOT, THEY WERE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE AIRPORT USES.
ONE WAS THE MASONIC LODGE, THEY'RE GONE.
WE HAD A HORSE RIDING THING GO UP THERE.
THEY COULD NOT STAY BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE AIRPORT.
AND THE THIRD ONE WAS WE HAD COUNTY EMPLOYEES LIVING ON THE AIRPORT PROPERTY.
UH, LEAST THREE WERE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES IN THAT THEY ALL HAD TO MOVE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A COMPATIBLE USE WITH THE AIRPORT.
HAVING A PARTY VENUE UP THERE IS NOT A COMPATIBLE USE OF THE AIRPORT AND IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
I, I THINK OTHER PEOPLE WOULD GET INVOLVED IN IT TOO.
'CAUSE I THINK THE FAA GOT INVOLVED IN, IN THE ORGANIZATIONS UP THERE TOO, SAYING IT WAS NOT COMPATIBLE AND THEY HAD TO LEAVE.
THE OTHER REASON I'M OPPOSED AS WHERE I LIVE, IF THEY HAVE 30 TO 40 CARS COMING DOWN AIRPORT ROAD AT ONE TIME, IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO GET OUT OF OUR SUBDIVISION ON VALLEY VIEW ROAD.
'CAUSE I BACK UP FROM 89 A PAST VALLEY VIEW AND THAT MAKES IT A HAZARD.
'CAUSE THEN THERE'S ONLY ONE EXIT FROM THAT, FROM OUR SUBDIVISION.
AND THAT MAKES IT A VERY DIFFICULT TIME TO MAKE AN A LEFT TURN ONTO 89 A.
SO I AM OPPOSED TO HAVING THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVED.
I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE COMING FROM THE AIRPORT.
HOWEVER, I FIND MORE NOISE COMING FROM POSSE GROUNDS THAN, UH, THIS VENUE UP THERE, TO BE HONEST.
BUT, UH, MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO SHOW COOPERATION WITH THE COUNTY BECAUSE THE, THE AIRPORT'S REQUIRED TO MAKE MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN UP THERE TO SUPPORT THE AIRPORT.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF DEFERRED EXPENSES UP THERE.
THINGS THAT THE COUNTY HASN'T PAID FOR, THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO PAY FOR.
I SEE THIS AS AN, AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE THE CITY CAN PUT RESTRICTIONS IN ONLY GIVING A ONE YEAR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I WOULD HATE TO SEE THIS OPPORTUNITY GO AWAY AND THE AIRPORT GET WITH VE DECIDE THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT A HELICOPTER TRAINING SCHOOL ON THE EDGE OF THE MESA, WHICH THE CITY WOULD HAVE NO INPUT AND BE TONS AND TONS OF NOISE ALL DAY LONG INTO THE EVENING.
SO YOU REALLY GOTTA THINK ABOUT, DO WE WANNA PROVE SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE SOME CONTROL OR DO WE SAY NO AND THEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT BECAUSE THE COUNTY MAY DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.
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SO AT THIS POINT, THE COUNTY'S GIVEN THE CITY THE OPTION TO DO THESE CONDITION USE PERMIT.I SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE A GOOD OPERATOR.
THEY MEAN WELL GIVE 'EM A CHANCE.
WHAT'S THE HERD OF OF LETTING THEM DO IT FOR A YEAR AND THEN SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND REEVALUATE IF IT'S, IT'S A BIG PROBLEM, A LOT OF NOISE AND A LOT OF CONCERN, THEN IT COULD BE NOT APPROVED AT THAT TIME.
ANN KELLY, FOLLOWED BY MARIA WEST
UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THANK YOU FOR READING MY EMAIL.
OBVIOUSLY YOU DID TO TALK ABOUT ZONING, SO I'M NOT GOING TO REGURGITATE THAT.
THERE'S TWO THINGS I DO WANT TO MENTION.
I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE, UH, SEPTIC.
THE CITY HAS DETERMINED THE MASONIC LODGE CAPACITY IS 366 PEOPLE, BUT WHEN WE SPOKE TO 'EM, THEY SAID THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY AS TO THE CONDITION OF THE SYSTEM.
SO I CALLED THE COUNTY AND TALKED TO 'EM AND THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THAT SYSTEM BECAUSE EVERYTHING WAS BUILT BEFORE THEY EVEN HAD PERMIT, UH, PROGRAM IN PLACE.
MATT MADE THE COMMENT AT 88 GUESTS, HE FEELS COMFORTABLE.
IF HE GETS AROUND 150, HE GETS SOME PORTAL.
SO I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET SOME CLARITY AROUND THIS AND DEFINE A CAPACITY FOR THAT SYSTEM.
'CAUSE LAST THING I WANT IS SEWAGE COMING DOWN THE SIDE OF, OF THAT HILL.
THE OTHER THING IS, I LIVE RIGHT OFF OF AIRPORT ROAD RIGHT BEHIND CVS AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM NOW WITH SPEEDING.
UM, I CROSS OVER TO WALK OVER IN SADDLE ROCK 'CAUSE MY NEIGHBORHOOD'S TOO DIFFICULT,
UM, AND THEY'RE ALWAYS COMING DOWN 50, 60 MILES AN HOUR.
SO I THINK WE NEED A SPEED TABLE RIGHT BEFORE THE TURN WHERE THE, UH, AIRPORT, UM, VORTEX IS BECAUSE THAT'S A BLIND CURVE RIGHT THERE.
AND EVEN THOUGH THE TOURISTS SHOULD REMEMBER WHAT THEY JUST DROVE PAST, I'M SURE THEY DON'T.
AND THEN ANOTHER SPEED TABLE RIGHT BEFORE THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO GET 'EM TO SLOW DOWN.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO A SPEED TABLE, GET ONE OF THOSE SIGNS THAT SAYS RADAR ENFORCED.
PUT A POLICEMAN RIGHT AT THAT FIRST ROAD IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WILL DOUBLE THE INCOME TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
'CAUSE IT'S NEVER ENDING THE THE SPEEDERS COMING DOWN THE, THE HILL.
IS THE SPEED TABLE THE SAME THING AS THE SPEED BUMP? YES.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC CONTROL AND SLOWING.
UM, SPEED TABLES ARE THE WIDER ONES THAT WE HAVE ON THUNDER MOUNTAIN CHAPEL DRY CREEK.
UM, THEY'RE LONGER AND THEY BASICALLY, THEY'RE BETTER FOR YOUR CAR.
IT DOESN'T, THAT'S AS FAR AS I CAN DESCRIBE MY MECHANICAL KNOWLEDGE OF CARS, BUT OKAY.
SLIGHTLY MORE COMFORTABLE TO DRIVE OVER.
HI, I AM MARIA WEST AND I AM A RESIDENT OF SEDONA.
UM, I WANNA THANK ALL OF YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO HAVE COMMENTS.
THIS IS ONE INSTANCE WHERE IT'S REALLY GOOD THAT RESIDENTS ARE HOPEFULLY TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF SOMETHING, UM, WHEN THERE ARE ISSUES THAT CONCERN US.
FOR ME PERSONALLY, I NEED TO THANK THE CITY STAFF.
UM, THEY WERE GREAT WITH MEETING WITH RESIDENTS.
THEY WERE GENEROUS WITH THEIR TIME AND ANSWERS.
UM, CLOTH AND FLAME MAY BE A GREAT COMPANY.
I'M NOT HERE TO COMMENT ON THE QUALITY OF THE BUSINESS, ALTHOUGH THEY WERE REALLY IMPRESSIVE IN THEIR PRESENTATION.
I, I ONLY WANNA MAKE A SPECIFIC NOTE OF THE FUNCTION OF THEIR OPERATIONS AND TO BRING MORE FOCUS TO THE HIGH PERCENTAGE FOOD AND BEVERAGE SERVICE COMPONENT OF THESE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES.
SO BASED ON THEIR ADVERTISING, THERE'S REALLY NO DENYING, UM, WHAT THEY DO AND THAT THEY'RE REALLY GOOD AT IT.
BUT RESIDENT OPPOSITION ISN'T DIRECTED SO MUCH AT CLOTH AND FLAME AS IT IS THAT, UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE USE OF THAT LOCATION IS APPROPRIATE.
DEFINITIONS ARE CLEAR, AND I JUST DIDN'T SEE ANY REAL REASON FOR THE STAFF TO EXERCISE DISCRETION IN THIS INSTANCE UNLESS STAFF WAS GOING TO MAYBE STRETCH SO THAT A COMMERCIAL ENTITY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE FAVORED.
UM, YOU'RE STARTING WITH THE BELIEF THAT THIS IS A CONFERENCE MEETING CENTER OR OUTDOOR RECREATION FACILITY, BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A SIDE FUNCTION OF THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE SERVICES.
IT'S GOT A MAIN FUNCTION OF FOOD AND BEVERAGE SERVICES.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT REALLY TO MATCH THE COMPANY'S COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES WITH THE CORRECT ZONE.
IT'S NOT OKAY TO HAVE A GREAT LOCATION AND THEN TO BE VERY EASILY ABLE TO GET PERMISSION TO OPERATE A BUSINESS THAT MAYBE FALLS OUTSIDE OF THE ALLOWABLE USES.
S ZONING REGULATIONS REALLY OUGHT TO MEAN SOMETHING.
SO IT'S JUST A FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT THE SAME SCENARIO BETWEEN SOME OF THE RESIDENTS AND THE WAY THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY HAS HANDLED THIS.
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DECIDING BODY.UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL ACCEPT WHATEVER YOU SAY AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING AT IT.
NEXT IS ED ROSE, FOLLOWED BY SARAH WATTS.
I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR THE SEDONA AIRPORT.
AND BOY, DO I HAVE SOME NOTES TO REVIEW TONIGHT.
UH, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THE AGREEMENT WITH CLOTH AND FLAME IS AN INTERIM AGREEMENT.
THE, UH, MAIN LEASE WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE ONCE THEY ACHIEVE THE CUP.
UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE CAR AVERAGE.
IT'S ABOUT 340 CARS PER 24 HOUR PERIOD.
I WANTED TO MENTION, UH, THE ZONING AS COMMUNITY FACILITY IS REALLY PROBLEMATIC FOR THE AIRPORT.
UH, COMMUNITY FACILITIES, SCHOOLS, PARKS, SENIOR CENTERS, A CREMATORIUM ARE NOT COMPATIBLE USES IN THE A'S EYES MORE CLOSELY.
UM, RELATED ZONING MONIKER WOULD BE AIRPORT INDUSTRIAL.
I WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH CITY COUNCIL TO IDENTI AND STAFF TO, UH, IDENTIFY WHAT APPROPRIATE USES MIGHT BE, UH, APPROPRIATE UNDER AIRPORT INDUSTRIAL.
THERE'S ALSO A COMMUNITY PLANNING ELEMENT HERE THAT, UH, NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND, UH, THE CHANGE FROM, UH, COMMUNITY FACILITY TO AI, AIRPORT INDUSTRIAL.
AS I SAID, MY NAME IS ED ROSE.
I'VE GOT OVER FOUR DECADES OF AIRPORT MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE.
I'VE GOT DAMN NEAR 50 ON AIRPORTS.
I CAN'T BELIEVE I JUST SAID THAT.
SO I'VE BEEN AROUND THE BLOCK.
I'VE BEEN PRESIDENT OF THE NEW YORK AIRPORT MANAGERS ASSOCIATION.
I'M THE FIRST VICE PRESIDENT OF THE ARIZONA AIRPORTS ASSOCIATION, AND I ALSO SIT ON THE CHAMBER BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR SEDONA.
AND MY CHARGE IS TO RUN A SAFE AND EFFICIENT AIRPORT.
HOW DO WE DO THAT WHEN WE NEED REVENUE? THE AIRPORT HAS REALLY BEEN NEGLECTED FOR A NUMBER OF DECADES, AND IT HAS A BIT OF CATCHING UP TO DO, TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
AS ONE OF THE SPEAKERS HAD MENTIONED, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN UH, SOLICITING CLOTH AND FLAME REALLY WAS TO ISSUE AN RFP THREE YEARS AGO OFFERING THE, UH, MASONIC LODGE FOR SOME USE.
UH, IT'S A NON AERONAUTICAL PARCEL, SO WE ADVERTISE FOR NON AERONAUTICAL USES.
WE GOT ONE, UH, RESPONSE THAT, UH, WANTED TO HAVE THE FACILITY FOR 10 YEARS FOR FREE THAT'S REALLY NOT CONDUCIVE TO OUR SUPPORT OF OUR PROGRAMS. AND, UH, WE HAD A CLOTH AND FLAME.
UH, THE, UH, SUBMITTALS WERE REVIEWED BY CITY OF, UH, SEDONA STAFF, COUNTY STAFF AND, UH, THE AIRPORT'S CONSULTING ENGINEERS.
THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MADE TO NEGOTIATE WITH, UH, CLOTH AND FLAME.
THERE ARE FAA GRANT ASSURANCES AT PLAY HERE TOO, SPECIFICALLY NUMBER 24, WHICH, UH, REQUIRES AIRPORTS TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.
WE'RE CHARGED WITH MAKING EVERY SQUARE FOOT OF THE 220 ACRES, UH, INTO, UH, CASH TO SUPPORT OUR PROGRAMS. DO THAT THIS TIME.
THERE'S ONLY ANOTHER HALF A PAGE
SO, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, UH, CHARGED WITH, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH THESE GRANT ASSURANCES AND YOU MAY MAY SEE SOME MORE OF THAT.
UH, COME UP WITH THE RECENT, UH, UH, ASSESSMENT OF THE AIRPORT DONE BY THE CITY AND, UM, AIRPORT MANAGEMENT CONSULTING GROUP.
UM, IF I LOOK AT PART 1 63 FA PART 1 63 NON AERONAUTICAL LAND USES, UM, EVENT CENTERS ARE APPROPRIATE USE.
WE HAVE A ROBUST CAPITAL PROGRAM AT THE AIRPORT.
IT'S A LITTLE OVER $2.9 MILLION THAT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH AS THE AUTHORITY TO MEET THE, UH, OVER $56 MILLION IN, UH, GRANT MONIES OFFERED BY THE FAA.
AND THAT'S JUST IN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN.
WE NEED REVENUE TO SUPPORT THAT.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, UH, REVENUE DIVERSIFICATION.
WE LOOK AT THIS SKY RANCH LODGE, WE LOOK AT THIS OPPORTUNITY WITH THE MASONIC LODGE, ALL OF OUR LEASES ON THE AIRPORT.
UM, THOSE ARE HANGAR LEASES, UH, BRINGING IN, UM, UH, MAINTENANCE PROVIDERS, UM, BRINGING IN FLIGHT TRAINING.
AND OF COURSE WE STILL HOST THE TOURS, BUT IT IS A ROBUST PLAN THAT NEEDS SUPPORT FINANCIALLY.
AND THIS IS JUST ONE AVENUE OF CONTRIBUTION TO THAT SUPPORT.
UM, ENFORCEABILITY, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT ENFORCEABILITY TOO.
DON'T FORGET WHO HOLDS THE LEASE AND IF, UH, CLOTH AND FLAMES STEP OUTSIDE OF THE GUISE OF THAT LEASE, UH, THEN THEY WILL BE GIVEN A 30 DAY NOTICE.
UM, IDENTIFYING THE DEFICIENCY, UH,
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AND ASKING FOR A, UH, REMEDY FOR WHATEVER DEFICIENCY IS FOUND.UH, THEY HAVE TO GIVE US A PLAN WITHIN 90, UH, WITHIN 30 DAYS AND EFFECTUATE THE, THE IMPROVEMENT WITHIN 90 DAYS.
UM, LASTLY, SKY RANCH LODGE LEASE, UM, NOISE SPECIFICALLY, UH, THE CITY DECIBEL LEVELS, OF COURSE, UH, 65 DBL UNTIL 10:00 PM SKY RANCH LODGE HAS VOLUNTARILY REDUCED THE NOISE LIMITS TO 50 DECIBELS.
UM, AND THEIR EVENTS WILL END AT NINE O'CLOCK, NOT 10.
SO THEY'RE DOING A LITTLE BIT, UM, LOWER NOISE AND CLOSING EARLIER.
THE, UH, DECIBEL READINGS ARE RECORDED HOURLY AT THEIR EVENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE WEATHER IN COMPLIANCE, AND THAT'S A HISTORY THAT THEY CAN AND HAVE DEMONSTRATED TO ME SO I CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY SAY THEY NEED TO DO.
I ALSO WANNA THANK STEVE AND KURT FOR AGREEING WITH EVERYTHING I'VE JUST SAID.
TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
I LIVE IN WEST SEDONA, UH, COMMISSIONERS CITY STAFF.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AND ALLOWING US TO SPEAK.
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE TOUR THIS MORNING, UM, OF THE FACILITY.
UM, I WANNA MAKE TWO QUICK POINTS I THINK THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE.
SO I JUST SAY THAT I RECOMMEND THE, UM, THE, UH, DISAPPROVAL OF THIS CUP FOR TWO REASONS.
ONE IS THAT IT IS SEEMS TO ME TO BE A COMMERCIAL AND, UM, PRIVATE USE OF PUBLIC LAND AND A PUBLIC COMMUNITY FACILITY.
UM, THAT JUST, I CAN'T MAKE MY HEAD GET AROUND THE DESIGNATIONS THAT WE'VE PULLED OUT OF THE CODES AND TO, UM, WARRANT THIS.
NUMBER TWO, I THINK THERE'S A HUGE SAFETY PROBLEM HERE.
IF YOU MULTIPLY OUT THE NUMBER OF DAYS THAT THE COFFIN PLAINTIFF ESTIMATED, THEY WILL HAVE EVENTS, UH, WHICH IS 120.
AND, UM, THEY'VE DESIGNATED A HUNDRED OF THOSE AS A CERTAIN NUMBER AND 20 OF THOSE AS 250 UP TO 250.
IF YOU MULTIPLY OUT THE MAXES OF THOSE, WHICH ARE ESTIMATES, UM, YOU COME OUT TO 16,000 PEOPLE A YEAR GOING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD, MOST OF WHICH WILL BE SHUTTLED, BUT PAY ATTENTION TO THE NUMBERS, 120 EVENTS, 20 OF THEM WITH TWO UP TO 250 PEOPLE.
THE OTHER A HUNDRED OF THEM ARE ESTIMATED AT 120 PEOPLE.
SO THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ADDED TO SUNSET VIEWERS, HIKERS, JET FUEL TRUCKS, SKY RANCH LODGE EVENTS, MESA GRILL SERVICE STAFF, AND TOWING OF PORT POTTIES.
UM, SO I THINK WE NEED SOME NUMBERS ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE USING THIS ROAD AND WHAT IT WOULD MEAN IF THERE WERE AN EMERGENCY WITH FIRE TRUCKS AND OR EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT WITH OR WITHOUT SPEED BUMPS AND SPEED TABLES.
SO I THINK THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM.
SO I HAVE A MINUTE, AND I, THERE'S A DISCONNECT FOR ME THAT YOU, COMMISSIONER, I'M SORRY I CAN'T READ YOUR NAME IN THE ORANGE, UM, ON ONE HAND, SKY RANCH LODGE HAS ASKED FOR AN EXPANSION AND WAS TOLD NO BECAUSE IT WOULD REQUIRE AN EXTRA INGRESS EGRESS ROAD.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS THE CORRECT, UH, INTERPRETATION OF THAT STATEMENT BASED ON WHAT THE FIRE MARSHAL JUST SAID.
SO THAT WOULD BE NEW EXPANSION ON THE PART OF SKY RANCH LODGE, AND THE ANSWER IS NO, BECAUSE IT WOULD ADD MORE TRAFFIC AND MORE LODGING IS NOT THIS CUP THAT'S BEING ASKED FOR REQUESTING A NEW VENUE, WHICH IS OUTDOOR USE, WHICH HAS PREVIOUSLY NOT BEEN PERMITTED OUTDOOR USE.
AND IS THAT NOT ALSO AN EXPANSION OF, UM, TRAFFIC AND USE OVER WHAT WAS, UH, DONE PREVIOUSLY AT THE MASONIC LODGE.
I'LL JUST SPEAK FOR A MINUTE HERE.
SO, UH, I'M SAMUEL BRITTON, UH, SEDONA RESIDENT.
WE LIVE IN, UH, COPPER VISTA ESTATE.
UH, I, I'M, WE'RE OFF OF SYCAMORE CANYON ROAD AND OUR, UM, BACKYARD, UH, FACES, UH, AIRPORT ROAD.
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WE'RE ON A STREET PARALLEL WITH AIRPORT ROAD.AND, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE NOISE, UH, CONCERN, UH, UH, WE ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE INCREASED TRAFFIC AND THE SAFETY ISSUES.
UH, I CAN SEE FROM MY BALCONY THE CARS SPEEDING DOWN AIRPORT ROAD AND IF WE HAVE MORE CARS COMING DOWN FROM, FROM THESE EVENTS, UM, AND THEY'VE BEEN DRINKING, I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
AND ALSO, UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ANIMALS OF SEDONA BECAUSE OUR BACKYARD, IT WE'RE VERY BLESSED, HAPPENS TO BE AN ANIMAL CROSSING, UH, TO CROSSOVER AIRPORT ROAD.
I THINK THEY COME IN FROM COOKS HILL AND THEY PASS THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND A LOT OF THEM WE HAVE, UH, WHOLE FAMILIES OF DEER, UH, HALINA AND, YOU KNOW, THEY COME IN THE MORNING, BUT ALSO IN THE EVENING.
SO, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OUT THERE TRYING TO CROSS AIRPORT ROAD AND THEN PEOPLE ARE COMING HOME FROM THIS EVENT AFTER DRINKING, AND THEY'RE TOURISTS.
THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH SEDONA, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD HIT SOME OF THE ANIMALS.
ALSO, UM, THIS INTERSECTION DOWN BY CVS PHARMACY IN 89 A WHERE AIRPORT GOES INTO HAS HAD SEVERAL, UH, MAJOR ACCIDENTS, UH, SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE, I BELIEVE.
INCLUDING SOMEBODY WHO WAS DRUNK, UH, AND CRASHED INTO ANOTHER PERSON, UH, DOWN, DOWN AT THE INTERSECTION.
SO I, I THINK IT IS A CONCERN THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD, UH, SHOULD CONSIDER.
AND, AND IF WE COULD TRY TO GET SOME SIGNS OR SOMETHING ON AIRPORT ROAD LIKE, UH, HALINA CROSSING OR DEER CROSSING THAT COULD HELP, OR SOME SPEED MITIGATION.
THAT'S OUR LAST, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTOR.
SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM, BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, I WANTED TO LEAD OFF AND ASK YOU, CARRIE, IN YOUR TIME WITH THE CITY AND YOUR EXPERIENCE, HAVE YOU EVER RECOMMENDED JUST A ONE YEAR CUP? NO.
SO COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR RATIONALE FOR THAT LIMITED TIME LIMIT? UM, VER SHORT.
WELL, SO RECENTLY WE HAVE BEEN, UM, RECOMMENDING LONGER PERIODS OF TIME.
WE'VE RECOMMENDED A NUMBER WITHOUT EXPIRATION EXPIRATION DATE, AND RIGHT.
THE CITY AND THE COUNT, YOU'RE NOT THE COUNCIL.
THE COMMISSION HAS GENERALLY ADDED EXPIRATION DATES TO THOSE.
SO WE KIND OF KNEW THAT BASED ON THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, UM, THAT WE, WE NEEDED TO INCLUDE A RECOMMENDATION FOR, UM, AN EXPIRATION DATE.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE STARTING POINT.
UM, AND AS WE WERE LOOKING AT IT, UM, THERE, A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME UP, UM, WERE O WERE VERY MUCH OPERATIONAL ISSUES.
HOW IS THIS GOING TO ACTUALLY OPERATE ONCE THEY GOT INTO, UM, GOT GOT GOING.
SO WE DID HAVE OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ATTEND SOME OF THE EVENTS JUST AS A, AS AN OBSERVER.
SO WE WOULD HAVE, UM, A CITY STAFF MEMBER BEING ABLE TO SPEAK TO HOW THE EVENTS WERE RUN.
UM, AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT, UM, BASED ON OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER'S EXPERIENCE, THAT THE, UM, THAT CLOTH AND FLAME DID RUN THE EVENTS WELL, THEY, HE SAID THERE WAS NO NOISE ISSUES.
THEY WENT INSIDE WHEN THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO, THEY FOLLOWED ALL THE RULES THEY SAID, BUT, UM, WE ALSO JUST KIND OF WANTED TO, UM, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE ARE SOME OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THIS MIGHT OPERATE AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUSH OUT A POTENTIAL EXPIRATION DATE TWO OR THREE YEARS DOWN IN THE FUTURE.
UM, JUST KNOWING THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS AROUND IT.
SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO COME BACK, GIVE THEM THE REST OF THIS YEAR, A POTENTIAL FULL YEAR, NEXT YEAR.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY DO A LOT OF EVENTS DURING THE WINTER.
AND SO WE THOUGHT THAT TIMING THE, UM, EXPIRATION TO POTENTIALLY COINCIDE WITH THEIR DOWN SEASON WOULD ALLOW, UH, THEM TO GET THROUGH A FULL SEASON OPERATING UP THERE AND THEN ALLOW US TO COME BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THAT ONE, HOW THAT SEASON OPERATED AND COME BACK TO YOU.
UM, THERE ARE CODE ALLOWANCES FOR ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OF RENEWALS AND WE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO BRING IT BACK TO A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE WROTE THAT INTO THE CONDITIONS AS WELL.
WE NOT NECESSARILY, WE WEREN'T NECESSARILY LOOKING AT IT AS LIKE A 14, 18 MONTHS.
WE WERE TRYING TO, UM, TIME IT WITH WHEN THEY WEREN'T GONNA BE IN THE MIDDLE OF HOSTING A LOT OF EVENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IN THEIR DOWN SEASON THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO POTENTIALLY DO A RENEWAL AT THAT TIME.
MM-HMM,
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AND FLAME USERS? WE APPLY FOR THE TEMPORARY USE PERMITS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.WHEN WE SELL EVENTS, WE'VE KIND OF PAUSED SELLING EVENTS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE WHAT WILL HAPPEN TODAY.
I MEAN, I HOPE I HAVE A HOPEFUL, UM, RESPONSE.
WE ALSO WILL BE VERY LIMITED BY THE WAY THE CUP IS BEING OFFERED.
UM, THIS WILL BE, IT'LL BE A LIGHT YEAR AND THAT'S FINE.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN TWO YEARS TO GET HERE.
SO THAT CU WHEN THAT CUP, UM, IF THIS PASSES TONIGHT TAKES, UM, EFFECT THEN YOU PRORATE THE NUMBER EVENTS FOR THE BALANCE OF THIS YEAR.
AND WHICH WOULD BE, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR OUR NEEDS.
AND YOU'RE ALSO OPEN TO DISCUSSING THE MAXIMUM NUMBER FOR CUP NUMBER ONE? ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO, I MEAN, 'CAUSE EVERYBODY IN HERE IS HERE IN THE ROOM AND WE HAVE MEETING MINUTES.
THE WHOLE REASON WE HAVE ONE 20 IN THERE NOW IS BECAUSE WE ARE ENCOURAGED AS WE UNDERSTAND IT'S THE PROCESS TO PUT THE MAXIMUM WE EXPECT IN THE FUTURE IN OUR FIRST APPLICATION.
I, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AS THE, THE EXPIRATION DATE, UM, CAME AS A RESULT OF SOME OF THE PUBLIC OUTREACH AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH WHAT WE, WHAT.
SO A TYPICAL FIRST ROUND CUP IS THREE TO FIVE YEARS IS WHAT WE TYPICALLY GIVE THEM.
SO WHAT WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULD TELL PEOPLE TO DO IS TO LOOK OUT WHERE DO YOU WANT TO BE IN THREE TO FIVE YEARS? MM-HMM.
YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE IN FOR A CP SURE, SURE.
BUT SINCE IT'S COMING BACK IN 18 MONTHS, THEN IF IT WAS SCALED BACK, EVERYTHING I GUESS IS NEGOTIABLE AT THAT POINT.
IT REALLY, WE, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HIT IT IF WE TRIED.
UM, AND ONE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, FOR YOU CHAIRMAN.
I I, AND MAYBE ANYONE HERE, MAYBE YOU KERRY.
UM, IF WE, THINKING ABOUT THIS NOW, THIS THE SALE WINDOW, IF WE WERE APPROVED AND OUR CNS IN DECEMBER OF 2025, UM, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO COME BACK IN FOR RENEWAL EARLY ENOUGH TO SELL, TO BEGIN SELLING INTO 2026 ON A REGULAR WINDOW? AS IN, I KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT A YEAR TRIAL, BUT IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE CAME IN FOR RENEWAL, UH, MEETING IN, I DON'T KNOW, PRE, PRE-FALL, BECAUSE THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
BUSINESS OPERATIONS ISSUE IN TERMS OF YEAH.
SO LET'S SEE WHAT CARRIE SAYS.
SO THE EXPIRATION BEING DECEMBER OF NEXT YEAR, AGAIN, THAT WAS TIMED WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY, THEY CAN COME IN BEFORE THAT, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THEM COMING IN LIKE NEXT WEEK
UM, BUT WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT THE MAJORITY OF THEIR 2024 EVENTS TO BE COMPLETED SO THAT WE HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF HOW THOSE OPERATED.
SO THAT CAN BE PART OF THE EVALUATION.
BUT AS SOON AS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE WRAPPING UP THEIR FALL SEASON NEXT YEAR, THEY'RE WELCOME TO COME IN A COUPLE MONTHS EARLY.
AND, AND YOU SAID YOU DON'T OPERATE IN, OR SOMEBODY SAID YOU DIDN'T OPERATE IN WINTER.
I MEAN, REALLY OUR WINTER NEEDS WOULD BE INDOOR PREDOMINANTLY AS THEY WERE THIS YEAR.
SO IT WOULDN'T REALLY BE SUBJECT TO THE CUP ANYWAY.
WE WOULD LIKELY BEGIN TO SELL INTO 2026 AND BEYOND FOR INDOOR USE ONLY WITH AN OPTION TO UPGRADE THEIR EXPERIENCE IF A COP WAS GRANTED LATER ON, JUST SO WE COULD LIKE AT LEAST GET A FEEL FOR FUTURE BUSINESS.
UM, THE OTHER THING, WEDDING WEDDING PROPOSAL SEASON IS CHRISTMAS AND EVERYBODY GETS ENGAGED AROUND CHRISTMAS.
SO OUR HIGHEST LIKELIHOOD OF SELLING A WEDDING IS IN DECEMBER AND EARLY JANUARY.
SO IF WE COULD GET BACK IN IN OCTOBER IF THIS WAS APPROVED MM-HMM.
IF, IF FOR SOME COMBINATION OF REASONS WE TURN THIS DOWN, WHAT WOULD BE THE ROUTE YOU WOULD TAKE, UH, REGARDING TS? AND IT'S REALLY MORE A QUESTION I GUESS FOR CARRIE.
IF, IF THE SENSE FROM THE COMMISSION WAS, WE DON'T LIKE THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE THE NOT OPERATIONAL ISSUES, BUT JUST SAY THE, THE SETUP OF THE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY FACILITY DESIGNATION AND SO FORTH.
WOULD YOU CONTINUE TO DO TS THEY'RE STILL ELIGIBLE FOR TS, BUT THEY'RE LIMITED IN THE NUMBER OF EVENTS THEY CAN HAVE.
THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE UP TO 10 EVENTS PER YEAR UNDER A TUP.
IT COULD PROBABLY AFFECT THE LEASE.
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FOR ED, BUT I IMAGINE OUR LEASE WOULD BE, WOULD BE ELIMINATED AND ANOTHER USE WOULD HAPPEN.AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND TRAFFIC.
THERE ARE 41 SPACES IF IT WAS A COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY FACILITY AS, AS A, A BLANKET STATEMENT THAT INCLUDES THESE INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS LIKE MEETING FACILITIES.
BUT SAY IT WAS MORE OF AN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, ALWAYS, ALWAYS AVAILABLE.
YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE IMAGINARY WHAT, WHAT THINK PEOPLE THINK OF WHEN THEY THINK OF COMMUNITY FACILITIES.
THOSE SPOTS WOULD BE USED ALL THE TIME INSTEAD OF IN SMALL WINDOWS ONLY 100 TIMES A YEAR.
WE ARE, WE ARE LOWER TRAFFIC THAN THE ALTERNATIVE WITHOUT QUESTION.
AND ED WILL HAVE TO FIND A USE FOR THE FACILITY.
AND AS THE OTHER GENTLEMAN MENTIONED, UM, THAT USE, THAT USE WILL ALSO USE, WILL ALSO ENCOURAGE TRAFFIC.
IT WILL ALSO HAVE PEOPLE UP AND DOWN THE HILL.
THERE IS NO STOPPING ED FROM USING HIS FACILITY.
HE'S REQUIRED TO BY THE LANE GRANT, UH, LEASE THAT HE'S, THAT HE'S, THAT THE REASON THE AIRPORT EXISTS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO YEAH, I I THINK WE WOULD BE, I'LL USE THE WORD SCREWED, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT
THE FACILITY WOULD CONTINUE IF SOMETHING WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN THERE.
UH, ARE YOU REQUIRED TO GET AN, UH, A DEQ INSPECTION OF THE SEPTIC? OR IS THE AIRPORT IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO FOR THE, AN THE INSPECTION OF THE SEPTIC? BECAUSE WE'VE HAD, WE, WE HAVE A ROBUST, ROBUST TEAM.
SO WE DEAL WITH A LOT OF SEPTIC SYSTEMS IN VARIOUS, UM, VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, SEWAGE AND OTHER DISGUSTING THINGS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT.
BUT THE, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE A PROFESSIONAL COME IN AND GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION.
WE'VE DONE THE INSPECTIONS OURSELVES.
THE AIRPORT UNDERSTANDS, I MEAN THE BOARD HAS DISCUSSED THIS AT LIKE, WHAT'S THAT? WE BROUGHT A PLUMBER OUT BEFORE WE EVER LISTED OUR FIRST BECAUSE WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ISSUE OURSELVES.
WHAT DID THE PLUMBER SAY? OLIVIA, IF YOU WANNA GO, CAN YOU COME TO THE, UH, MIC AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR WHO YOU ARE? I DON'T LIKE BEING ON THE MIC.
UH, MY NAME'S OLIVIA LA I AM ONE OF THE, UH, OWNERS OF COFFIN, FLAME AND OPEN VENUES.
UM, WHEN WE FIRST, BEFORE WE FIRST STARTED USING THE, UH, WE CALL IT VENUE ON THE MESA FACILITY, UH, WE BROUGHT A PLUMBER IN FROM, IT'S NOW CALLED ACE, BUT IT WAS YAVAPI SERVICES.
UM, THEY INSPECTED OUR SEPTIC TANK.
WE NEEDED TO DO A REPAIR BETWEEN THE PIPE, BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT TANKS.
UM, WE HAD ASKED HIM, AND I CAN REQUEST A REPORT FROM HIM ON WHAT THE FINDINGS WERE FOR HOW MANY USES, HOW MANY GALLONS, WHAT, YOU KNOW, GUEST COUNTS WE CAN SERVICE.
BUT WE, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATED THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN IS I GREW UP ON A, IN A HOUSE THAT HAD SEPTIC ONLY AND THAT MY MOM WAS LIKE, WE DID A AT HOME WEDDING FOR MY SISTER.
WE HAD TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE SEPTIC TANK PUMPED.
LIKE WE COULDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, A NIGHTMARE, UM, ON THE WEDDING DAY.
SO, UM, WE GOT THAT, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL OR WE, WE HAD IT, UM, INSPECTED BEFORE WE DID WORK BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT A DISASTER TO HAPPEN ON SOMEBODY'S EVENT DAY.
WE DON'T WANT TO CAUSE AN INCONVENIENCE TO THE ROAD, TO THE NEIGHBORS, TO, UM, OURSELVES.
UM, SO I GUESS WHAT WAS THE, WHAT DID THEY, WHAT DID THEY ACTUALLY SAY? WHAT DID HE SAY? THEY SAID THAT YOU'RE FINE FOR YOUR GUYS' GROUP SIZE OF EVENTS, SO, OKAY.
JUST LET US KNOW IF THERE'S A, WE, WE ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE LIKE, PROFESSIONAL DESIGNATION OF, OF AN ACTUAL INSPECTOR, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THAT STEP 'CAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION WITH THE SEPTIC.
QUESTIONS ON EITHER SIDE? COMMENTS? I DO.
UM, I WANTED TO SAY JUST THANKS FOR EVERYONE COMING TODAY, ESPECIALLY OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
IT'S GREAT TO, UH, SEE COMMUNITY ACTIVATION AND THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT MANY OF YOU HAVE PUT ON TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, I'M REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE CREATIVITY THAT CITY STAFF HAS COME UP WITH THAT I FEEL IS A, A GOOD COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS, WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE CUP BEING THREE TO FIVE YEARS, WE'RE MOVING IT TO ONE YEAR.
UM, I AM ALSO LIKE, UH, COMFORTED I GUESS IN A WAY THAT ALSO THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY IS MONITORING THIS AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE TWO GOVERNING AGENCIES MONITORING THIS ONE EVENT SPACE.
UH, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S TO ME AS A CITIZEN.
SO, UM, I RECOGNIZE LIKE THE TRAFFIC ISSUES AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND THE BIG CONCERNS THAT WE DO HAVE THERE,
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UM, IN, AND WHEN WE BRING THOSE UP, THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.'CAUSE WE DO HAVE CITY STAFF HERE TO SAY, HEY, MESA PD OR, OR SORRY, SEDONA PD, WRONG CITY.
UM, CAN WE DO MORE PATROLS THERE? WHAT CAN WE DO TO REDUCE THAT SPEEDING THAT WE DO ALL SEE, IT'S SO HARD TO TURN LEFT FOR ME.
I TURN LEFT OR RIGHT ON AIRPORT ROAD.
SO THAT'S, UM, BUT THEY BROUGHT, YOU'VE BROUGHT THIS CONCERN AND HOPEFULLY MAYBE WE CAN GET THE PD INVOLVED IN MITIGATING SOME OF THOSE TRAFFIC ISSUES.
UM, THE ZONING ISSUE AGAIN, AS A COMMUNITY FACILITY, WHAT, UH, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? HOW DOES THAT WORK? AND I THINK KIRK DID A REALLY FANTASTIC JOB IN EXPLAINING WHY WE CAN DO A VARIANCE AND WHY WE CAN DO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HERE.
SO, UM, AND I JUST APPRECIATE EVERYONE HERE AND CREATIVITY AND THE THOUGHT PROCESS AND EVERYONE'S BEHAVIOR.
THANK YOU FOR BEING POLITE AS YOU DISCUSS A REALLY HEATED ISSUE.
SO, UM, WHERE TO START? SO AS FAR AS THE SPEEDING ISSUE, I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THAT AS A CLOTH AND FLAME ISSUE.
I SEE THAT AS AN AIRPORT ISSUE.
UM, I THINK IT'S VERY VALUABLE TO HEAR THE PUBLIC SAY THAT IT'S AN ISSUE IN LOCAL RESIDENTS BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO CONFLICT OR ISSUES, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL ABOUT AWARENESS, ACCEPTANCE, ACTION.
AND SO NOW WE HAVE AWARENESS, I THINK ALL OF US DO THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE THAT THERE'S A REALLY BIG SPEEDING PROBLEM.
AND, UM, NOW HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, CONOCO WILL LOOK INTO THAT AND, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I SEE THAT AS A SEPARATE ISSUE.
I DON'T SEE THAT SPECIFIC TO YOU GUYS.
I SEE THAT AS A COMMUNITY ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE AWARENESS AROUND IT.
UM, I AM GRATEFUL THAT YOU SEEM VERY MINDFUL AND CONSCIENTIOUS AND THOUGHTFUL IN YOUR BUSINESS PLAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP WHEN I WAS LISTENING TO YOU IS OUR COMMUNITY PLAN AND WHAT OUR NEW SEDONA, NEW-ISH, SEDONA CORE VALUES ARE.
AND THEY ARE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND A LIVABLE AND VIBRANT COMMUNITY.
AND WITHIN THAT IT SAYS THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES ARE PROTECT AND HONOR OUR ENVIRONMENT AND HERITAGE.
SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT BUSINESSES COMING TO THE AREA, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE DEFAULT IN A LOT OF THESE SITUATIONS IS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T WANNA SEE NEW BUSINESSES.
THEY DON'T WANNA SEE, YOU KNOW, NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC.
AND WE HAVE TO STAY PROGRESSIVE WITH KEEPING IN MIND WHAT OUR CORE VALUES ARE.
AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN WE ARE APPROACHED WITH SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, THAT WE TAKE THE 40,000 FOOT VIEW AND WE STEP BACK AND WE SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THESE BUSINESSES ABOUT? WHAT ARE THEY GONNA BRING TO THE COMMUNITY? UM, AND SO THAT'S HOW I VIEW A LOT OF THIS.
AND SO THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES PROTECT AND HONOR OUR ENVIRONMENT AND HERITAGE.
YOU HAVE A SMALL FOOTPRINT, YOU'RE MINDFUL OF THE ENVIRONMENT, THE HERITAGE OF THE HERITAGE OF THE MASON BUILDING, STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY LIVABILITY AND CONNECTIONS.
A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY, EVEN IF JUST 20% ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
I SAW YOU HAD A FOOD DRIVE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, DINNERS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, LOCAL COMMUNITY EVENTS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, QUITE HONESTLY IN THESE DIVISIVE TIMES WE REALLY NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THEN THE LAST GUIDING PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORT REGIONAL ECONOMIC DIVERSITY, LOCAL BUSINESSES AND RESPONSIBLE TOURISM.
AND I, I REALLY THINK THAT YOU GUYS FULFILL THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE LOCAL, YOU'RE A LOCAL FAMILY, AND YOU KNOW, HOW WONDERFUL IF WE COULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A LOCAL BUSINESS.
UM, SO I LOOK AT THAT AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING TOGETHER A PRESENTATION THAT WAS THOUGHTFUL TO EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS, THAT YOU REALLY TOOK THE TIME TODAY AFTER THE SITE MEETING TODAY TO TALK TO THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE REPRESENTATIVES LEFT.
AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I, I'M IMPRESSED AND I'M APPRECIATIVE AND YOU KNOW, I HOPE THAT WE CAN COME TOGETHER AND WHAT A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY THAT THIS IS NOT FOREVER.
THIS IS BASICALLY JUST FOR TODAY, POTENTIALLY WE MAY APPROVE THIS.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY OF JUST EXPERIMENTING FOR A YEAR.
AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON FEAR, YOU KNOW, FEAR OF WHAT IS THIS GOING TO DO? FEAR OF THE NOISE, FEAR OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO MY COMMUNITY AND MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS APPARENTLY YOU'VE HAD 36 EVENTS THAT NOBODY KNEW ABOUT AND NOBODY HAS COMPLAINED ABOUT.
SO THERE IS, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, PULSE OR TEMPERATURE THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BEEN OKAY THUS FAR.
SO, UM, THAT'S MY POSITION ON IT.
ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPEAK? WELL, I, I'D JUST LIKE TO ECHO, UH, THE ISSUE AS FAR AS SPEEDING OR TRAFFIC.
UM, I ACTUALLY DROVE UP THERE.
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JUST LOOK AT HANUKAH WHEN YOU'RE MAKING THESE REMARKS.WELL, I, SERIOUSLY, I MEAN, I DROVE UP TODAY AND NOTICED IT WAS 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT.
SO, UM, I WON'T BE GUILTY OF GOING FAST IN THE FUTURE.
UH, AND I THINK PERHAPS, UH, AND WE HAD SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA TALK TO WHO, BUT I HOPE THAT SOMEONE TALKS TO SOMEONE ABOUT, UH, ENFORCING IN THAT AREA.
SO, UM, CERTAINLY THAT CAN BE BEEFED UP.
AND, UM, AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE, THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING, EVEN IF, IF CLOTH AND FLAME WERE NOT GONNA BE THERE, THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM AND PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT IT GETTING WORSE AND WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
SO, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, I'M GONNA VOTE THE WAY I'M GONNA VOTE.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, AS A CIVIL ENGINEER, I NEVER WANNA SEE SPEED BUMPS OR SPEED TABLES
BUT SECOND OF ALL, I HAD A FRIEND WHO, UH, HAD A WRECK AT THE INTERSECTION.
SO IT IS A BAD LOCATION, VERY BAD LOCATION.
WELL, I HAD MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED PRIMARILY THE ZONING QUESTIONS.
AND, UM, THOSE WERE THE LARGEST, THEY LOOMED LARGEST IN MY MIND WHETHER THEIR, THE CITY'S INTERPRETATION WAS CORRECT OR NOT
SO, UH, I ACCEPT THE CITY'S ASSESSMENT AND APPLICATION OF THOSE ZONING, UH, APPLICATIONS TO, TO THE PROJECT.
THE OTHER ISSUES I HAD WERE ABOUT IMPACT.
AND I DIDN'T COME IN FEELING THIS WAY, BUT I, I THINK THE STAFF WAS SMART IN SETTING A REALLY SHORT TERM, UM, CUP TERM LIMIT BECAUSE IT GIVES THE STAFF, THE APPLICANT AND THE PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE A FULL YEAR'S OPERATION THERE.
AND IF, UM, AND IF ISSUES, UH, ARISE, THEY WILL BE ADDRESSED BY STAFF.
AND IF YOU STAY WITHIN THE LINES, UM, YOU WILL PROBABLY GET AN, UM, A RENEWED CUP WITH A LONGER TERM LIMIT.
SO I, I AM A SUPPORT OF, UM, OF THE CUP AS AS PROPOSED.
I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, THROW OUT A NUMBER TO ABOUT THE NUMBER OF EVENTS BECAUSE YOU ARE GONNA COME BACK IN A YEAR'S TIME IF THIS PASSES THIS EVENING.
UH, AND THAT NUMBER CAN BE LOOKED AT AGAIN.
UM, BUT I, I'M THINKING THAT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 80 AND 90 MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
WE'RE, WE'RE TOTALLY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
YOU COULD DO, WE COULD DO 80 ACROSS THE ENTIRE, WHAT ARE WE AT? IT'S, IT'S, IS IT LIKE IT WOULD BE PER YEAR? PER YEAR PER PER YEAR.
80 WOULD BE EXCESSIVE FOR OUR, ALRIGHT.
I CAN SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING
I, I JUST DISAGREE WITH BEING ABLE TO APPLY THAT DESIGNATION TO THIS ENTERPRISE.
I THINK WE'RE, AS I SAID EARLIER, TRYING TO FIT A ROUND PEG IN A SQUARE HOLE OR VICE VERSA BECAUSE YOU NEED TO, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALREADY ZONED AS.
YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE WHOLE THING.
AND SO WE MUST DETERMINE SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER THAT THIS IS A COMMUNITY FACILITY.
UM, ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOUR BUSINESS MODEL IS VERY INTERESTING.
I ECHO EVERYTHING THAT SARAH HAS SAID.
SO, SO, YOU KNOW, AS SOMEBODY ELSE HAD EITHER WRITTEN IN OR SPOKEN TO EARLIER, WHAT ARE WE HERE FOR? WE ARE HERE NOT ONLY TO LOOK AT THE, UM, PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT ALSO HOW THE ZONING IS APPLIED.
IS IT BEING APPLIED CORRECTLY AND SO FORTH.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
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OF TWO MINDS AND YOU'LL SEE SOON WHICH WAY I COME OUT AS WILL ISO, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF THERE ARE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS.
I'M GONNA OFFER TO DO THE MOTION.
OH, I CAN, I JUST HAVE LIKE, I HAVE A TECHNICAL QUESTION.
IS THERE A REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT IT? THEY WOULDN'T WANT IT TO BE LIKE JANUARY 4TH 'CAUSE IT PRECLUDES THEM FOR HAVING AN EVENT ON NEW YEAR'S.
IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO CHANGE THE EXPIRATION DATE THEY CAN.
THEY'LL BE COMING, BUT THEY'LL BE COMING BACK, UM, TWO MONTHS BEFORE THAT EXPIRATION DATE.
WE'RE FINE WITH THAT TRULY BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE GONNA BEHAVE AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET THE RENEWAL FINGERS CROSSED.
COLLIE, ARE YOU GONNA YEAH, IF WE'RE READY, WE'RE READY.
UH, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER PZ 24 DASH 0 0 0 0 3 CUP CLOTH AND FLAME VENUE ON THE MESA BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.4 AND SATISFACTION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED BY IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
UM, I'M, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THE LIMIT ON EVENTS NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN SUCH A SHORT CUP, SO I'M, I'M NOT GONNA ADD IT, BUT, SO WE, WE NEED TO, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER, UM, ADDING THE AGREEMENT THAT WE MADE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF EVENTS DURING THIS LIMITED PERIOD OF TIME.
I THINK, CAN WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION BEFORE YOU DISCUSS IT? I SECOND THE MOTION? YEAH, YEAH, SURE.
UM, WHAT I WAS SAYING IS I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO LIMIT THIS ONLY BECAUSE ONE, IT'S ONLY A YEAR AND THEY WON'T MAKE IT AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST, IT WON'T, IT'S SEMANTICS.
SO I THAT THEY ASKED FOR THAT.
SO THE MOTION'S BEEN SECONDED.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE MAKER THE MOTION TO AMEND THAT SO THAT THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL REFLECT THAT THERE WILL JUST BE 80 EVENTS DURING THIS TIME PERIOD.
CAN WE DISCUSS THAT AND SEE IF EVERYONE IS HOWEVER, EVERYONE'S DURING THE ENTIRE TIME PERIOD OR PER CALENDAR YEAR.
PER YEAR PER, UH, UP UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST, 2025.
UH, SO FOR, SO BASICALLY A YEAR AND FOUR MONTHS? YEAH.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE APPLICANT CONSENT ON THAT.
IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? YES.
SO CHAIR, I THINK WE NEED THE, THE COMMISSIONERS TO SEE WHETHER THEY'RE IN GREEN OR, OR NOT THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
AND DO YOU ACCEPT HAS NOT ACCEPTED YOUR, YOUR FRIENDLY AMENDMENT SUGGESTION? I JUST, I'M, I'M TRYING TO CATCH THE PULSE.
UM, AND SO YEAH, SHE, SHE'D LIKE TO HAVE HERE FROM ALL THE REST OF THE, THE COMMISSION WHETHER THEY WANT TO HAVE THE 80 IN OR NOT.
DO WE HAVE AGREEMENT ON 80 FROM DIFFERENT ON THAT INDIFFERENT? OH, I DON'T, YEAH, IT'S SEMANTICS TO ME TOO, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER.
AND WE'LL, WELL, I'M FINE WITH, UH, 80 IF IT PASSES.
I WILL AMEND TO ADJUST THE NUMBER TO 80 EVENTS DURING THE CUP PERIOD AND COMMISSIONER.
AND SO WE WILL ADD THAT LANGUAGE AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
IT'LL BE PART, PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
AND THEN COMMISSIONER WHEEL, DO YOU STILL SECOND THAT MOTION? I STILL SECOND THAT MOTION.
THANK YOU FOR WALKING US THROUGH THAT.
THANK YOU FOR RUNNING THE MEETING
I, I'LL SAY AYE, BUT I, THAT'S CONDITIONAL THAT WE WERE EXPLAINING THAT THIS ZONING IS APPROPRIATE.
YOU WANTED TO EXPLAIN YOUR VOTE? I I NEED TO SEE A SHOW OF HANDS FOR AYE.
UM, CAN THE, NO, YEAH, IF YOU WANNA CALL THE NO VOTES CHAIR.
AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN YOUR NO VOTE PLEASE.
UM, I, I I WOULD SAY THAT MY, MY INTERPRETATION, WHICH I'M NOT BOWING TO THE CITY'S INTERPRETATION, I'M USING MY OWN, WHICH MAY BE INAPPROPRIATE REGARDING THE, THE USE RIGHT OF THE USE, UM, IS MORE FUNDAMENTAL.
GOOD, GOOD BUSINESS, BAD LOCATION.
THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE FOR ME.
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POOR LOCATION.WE HAVE ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM, SO IF YOU'LL LEAVE QUIETLY.
SORRY I DIDN'T CALL FOR YOUR NO QUOTE.
YEAH, I'VE STARTED, WELL WEARING WHITE MAKES YOU LOOK RAW.
ALRIGHT, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO EXIT THE ROOM, UNLESS YOU WANNA HEAR US TALK ABOUT FUTURE MEETING DATES.
UM, WE'LL BE DONE IN A, I SAW THE, WE'RE WE'RE GONNA BE DONE IN A FEW MINUTES, THE AMENDMENT AND I SAW RULE ON THE AMENDMENT, BUT YES.
NOT THE CP NO, IT WAS, SHE, SHE AMENDED HER MOTION AND SO IT, IT WAS APPROVED WITH THE, WITH THE, OKAY.
I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK AND VOLUNTEERING FOR SOME OF THIS ABUSE.
THANK YOU, ED, THIS ITEM IS CLOSED.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM
[6. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS]
NUMBER SIX, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE THIRD.THAT ONE WILL BE CANCELED ON THE 17TH.
WE HAVE, UM, WE ARE PLANNING TO DO A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW FOR THE, UM, PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THE BEST WESTERN AURORA ROADWAY, WHICH HAS THE BEST WESTERN AND UPTOWN.
UM, AND WE WOULD BE DOING A SITE VISIT THAT MORNING.
THERE'S A POTENTIAL OTHER AGENDA ITEM.
IT'S A, FOR A CITY PROJECT THAT WE NEED TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON.
AND WE WOULD NEED, WE WOULD KNOW BY THURSDAY IF THAT ONE WOULD BE READY.
DID YOU SAY IT'S A CITY PROJECT? YEAH, IT'S POTENTIALLY EXPANDING THE PARKING LOT ON 1 79 BOING.
SO, UM, YEAH, SO THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, THIS A CUP WAS APPROVED SITE PLAN SPECIFIC, SO, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY EXPANDING THE CAPACITY OF THAT.
SO IT WOULD NEED TO COME BACK FOR A CUP AMENDMENT.
BUT THERE'S, IS THERE ANYTHING ON THE WEBSITE ABOUT THAT NOW? YES.
WHAT'S IT CALLED? BOW STRING PARKING LOT.
I THINK TWO OF US ARE GONNA BE DRIVING TO TUCSON ON THAT DATE.
OH, RIGHT DATE OR THE FOLLOWING DAY? YES.
OUR, OUR EVENT, OUR MEETING STARTS WEDNESDAY MORNING.
SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S, I'M DRIVING DOWN DOES THE CONFERENCE CONFLICT WITH OUR MEETINGS ON THE 17TH? OH REALLY? THE 18TH, THE 20TH THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO REPORT DOWN HERE ON THE 17TH.
SO WE HAVE TWO WE KNOW WE'LL BE GONE.
UM, WELL AND A THIRD OF DOING IT VIRTUALLY, SO WE FOUND OUR VIRTUAL ATTENDANCE IS AFTER THE MEETING FINISHES.
UM, SO I CAN TALK WITH STEVE TOMORROW ABOUT, I MEAN, IT'S A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, SO I DON'T, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE COMING BACK IN THE FUTURE.
SO WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE ARE HERE FOR THAT.
UM, SO WE MIGHT, BUT YOU'RE THINKING IT WOULD BE A TWO MEETING ISSUE ANYWAY.
UM, NO, I'M SAYING IT'S CONCEPTUAL SO IT, AT SOME POINT IT'D BE COMING BACK FOR A FINAL REVIEW AND AS, I DON'T KNOW THAT A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW WITH ONLY A PORTION OF THE COMMISSION WOULD BE VALUABLE.
SO I THINK WE NEED, SO WE MIGHT AS MUCH OF A QUORUM AS WE CAN GET.
SO IS, SO THERE WOULD BE FIVE POTENTIALLY THERE COULD BE A QUORUM, BUT YEAH.
BUT FOR A LARGE PROJECT FOR CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, WE, UM, AGAIN, WE JUST TRY TO HAVE MORE BECAUSE THE, THE POINT OF THE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW IS TO GET AS MUCH FEEDBACK AS POSSIBLE.
WELL MAYBE YOU CAN CONSIDER WHETHER OKAY, WE SHOULD, SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT DO THAT.
CAN WE TALK ABOUT OCTOBER, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING HERE ABOUT OCTOBER? I MEAN, IS THAT LOOKING TO BE BUSY? UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE AGENDAS AFTER SEPTEMBER RIGHT NOW, SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE TO PUSH IT BACK TWO WEEKS.
WE WOULD JUST NEED TO CONFIRM WITH THE APPLICANT THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE FOR.
THE DAYS IT WOULDN'T CONFLICT WITH ANYTHING ELSE IN THE COMMISSION'S AGENDA.
I MEAN, I WON'T BE HERE IN OCTOBER, SO.
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THANK YOU.ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT TOPIC? NO.
SO WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE WILL ADJOURN AT 7 36.