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CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT, UH,[Historic Preservation on September 9, 2024.]
LET'S SEE, OFFICIAL VERIZON TIME.UH, JOIN ME IN THE, UH, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE STAND.
IF YOU CAN PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO, TO THE FLAG OF UNITED, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
COMMISSIONER HUGGINS HERE AND COMMISSIONER EGNER HERE.
UH, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO SHARE? YES, COMMISSIONER, I JUST HAVE A, A QUESTION THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR STAFF, AND THAT IS, CAN CAN WE GET AN UPDATE ON THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS AND WHERE WE STAND RIGHT NOW? DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANYTHING TO SAY ON THAT?
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE THREE APPLICANTS OH, GOOD.
UM, I ALSO HAVE SOMETHING, UM, THAT I WANNA BRING TO THE, UH, COMMISSION'S ATTENTION.
UM, THOUGH, UH, IT WON'T BE FOR DISCUSSION TODAY.
UM, THOSE OF YOU WHO, UH, WATCH CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS CLOSELY, AND I KNOW WE ALL DO, UH, MAY RECALL THAT, UH, LAST MONTH, VICE MAYOR PLU, UH, ASKED FOR A DISCUSSION AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT, UM, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW SHE WORDED IT.
UH, IT WAS A COMBINING HPC WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY OR HANDING OFF HP THE DUTIES OF HPC TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, ROUGHLY.
AND, AND, UM, SO THAT DISCUSSION WILL HAPPEN AT A MEETING IN OCTOBER.
IT WILL AT A COUNCIL MEETING IN OCTOBER.
THAT WILL STRICTLY BE A DISCUSSION, UM, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
UM, BUT STAFF WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION.
AND, AND THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, I, I BELIEVE, SHOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
UM, SO IT WAS, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I WENT TO THE STATE MEETING THAT IT CAN'T BE HANDED OFF TO A NON-GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY.
IT CAN BE UNDER THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, IT CAN BE UNDER ANY DEPARTMENT, BUT IT CAN'T, IT HAS TO BE UNDER A CITY DEPARTMENT.
AND THE REGULATIONS WRITTEN TO APPROVE IT, HAVE TO BE OKAYED BY THE STATE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THE STATE FUNDING.
AND, UH, I, I FRANKLY THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA.
UM, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IT'S JUST PUSHING IT ONTO SOMEBODY ELSE.
I I THINK, UH, WE CAN'T REALLY GET TOO DEEP INTO IT HERE, CAN WE? UH, BUT SINCE, YEAH.
I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, SINCE IT'S NOT AGENDIZED.
UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CANNOT DISCUSS TODAY.
I DID WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT MEETING WAS SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 8TH.
UM, ARE, ARE THEY GOING TO ASK FOR US INPUT AHEAD OF TIME, OR ARE THEY JUST GONNA DO LIKE THE CITY DOES AND I'M SORRY, IT'S NOT AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS AND OR ANNOUNCEMENTS? ONE, ONE COMMENT JUST I WANTED TO MAKE ABOUT THE
UH, IT'S IN DIRE NEED OF SOME HELP.
IT HASN'T BEEN ON A REGULAR MAINTENANCE.
THE WALKWAYS ARE ALREADY DISAPPEARED.
UM, IT, IT, FRANKLY, IT'S THE WEEDIEST I'VE EVER SEEN IT, SO APPARENTLY I DON'T THINK THEY'VE GOTTEN INTO A PROGRAM WITH MAINTENANCE YET.
SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF BRING THAT UP.
APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES, AUGUST 12TH, 2024.
UH, ANY EDITS, CHANGES, ANYTHING? NO.
HEARING NONE, UH, WE'LL SAY THOSE ARE APPROVED, UH, PUBLIC FORUM, THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE'S A DOUBLE NEGATIVE THERE UNTIL JUST NOW.
UH, MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA.
THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO A RS THREE EIGHT DASH 4 31 0 1 H, ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO ANY CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER
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FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO.
SURPRISED, UH, REGULAR BUSINESS.
CLOSE YOU TO CLOSE THE, OH, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM THEN.
UH, REGULAR BUSINESS CONTINUATION OF THE DISCUSSION OF THE FOCUS OF THE COMMISSION AND THE NEXT STEPS REGARDING LANDMARKING AND SURVEYS FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
SO,
UM, I JUST LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
UM, IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WAS IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION HANDBOOK FROM 2018.
UM, SO IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, IDENTIFIED AS A FUNCTION.
UM, AND MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WHATEVER WORK PLAN YOU COME UP WITH, WE CAN RUN IT PAST LEGAL JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS WITHIN THE CONFINES OF, UM, UH, OF THE PARAMETERS OF THIS COMMISSION.
WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE MAKING IT SO THAT YOU CAN STICK WITH.
SO AS LONG AS WE STICK WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE STATUTES AND OUR MANDATE, UH, IT'S UP TO US AS THE COMMISSION TO SAY HOW WE'RE GOING TO GO ABOUT, UH, AS LONG AS WE FOLLOW ALL APPLICABLE LAWS AND, RIGHT.
UM, THE HANDBOOK THAT I REFERRED TO EARLIER WAS THE ONE FROM SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2014.
AND WHICH IS A MORE OF AN OMNIBUS, UH, DOCUMENT, I WOULD SAY.
AND, UH, TWO OF THOSE COMMISSIONS NO LONGER EXIST.
SO, UM, I WOULD JUST PROPOSE THAT WHATEVER WE DO, THAT WE MAKE OUR HANDBOOK A, UM, MORE OF A LIVING, UH, DOCUMENT THAT CAN BE CHANGED.
SO, UM, AND, AND I MIGHT BE, WE MIGHT BE TALKING JUST WORDS HERE, BUT A HANDBOOK AND A WORK PLAN DIFFERENT ARE DIFFERENT.
AND SO, UM, SO I WANTED TO STICK TO THE, THE LESSER OF THE TWO.
JUST THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT IS THAT YOU AS COMMISSIONERS, UM, HOW YOU WANNA SET UP, WHO'S GONNA HANDLE WHAT, HOW YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT, HOW MANY A YEAR YOU WANNA DO.
AND REALLY THE, YOU KNOW, UM, WE'VE ALL READ THE MINUTES EVEN IF WE WEREN'T HERE, BUT JUST TO CATCH STEVE UP TOO, LIKE WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LAST TIME WAS HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT WE DON'T GO ANOTHER 11 YEARS WITHOUT THIS COMMISSION LANDMARKING SOMETHING.
HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THERE'S A PLAN FOR HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IDENTIFYING, MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS IN LANDMARKING BUILDINGS? YEAH.
I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION, I THINK, LONGER THAN ANYBODY, ON AND OFF, PROBABLY.
AND AT THE VERY BEGINNING WE DID LANDMARKING MM-HMM.
AND WE SPENT A LOT OF EFFORT TRYING TO FIND 50-YEAR-OLD BUILDINGS.
AND THERE'S A DOCUMENT, I THINK YOU SHOULD STILL HAVE IT.
WE WENT TO THIS COUNTY AND WE SAID, PLEASE GIVE US PERMITS OF HOMES THAT WERE BUILT 50 YEARS AGO.
AND IT TOOK AWAY TWO YEARS WORTH OF WORK.
THEN WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT ALL THOSE HOUSES AND WE PROBABLY IDENTIFIED SIX OR EIGHT THAT WE COULD DO SOMETHING WITH.
AND THAT TENDED TO BE THE FOCUS BACK 10, 15 YEARS AGO.
I THINK THE FOCUS SHOULD CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.
NOW, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT MANY HOMES THAT WE CAN REALLY LANDMARK, BUT I THINK WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT HOMES.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE MIGHT THINK ABOUT IS CHANGING OUR FOCUS AND IDENTIFYING SIGNIFICANT HOMES THAT MAY BE 30 YEARS OLD, MAYBE 25, MAYBE 40.
BUT THEY BECOMES A WATCH LIST.
AND DESIGNATING SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT ADDS VALUE TO IT, TO THE OWNER, BUT IT ADDS NO REGRESS OR ANY NEGATIVES TO IT.
AND IT GIVES US SOMETHING TO DO.
SO WE MIGHT FIND A ME DOLE HOUSE.
UH, WE SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE RIGMAROLE, BUT IT'S A SIGNIFICANT HOUSE.
AND WE COULD LIST THE SIGNIFICANT HOMES AND THE THINGS.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A WORK PLAN THAT WE COULD WORK FROM.
AND THEN AS WE STUMBLE ON HOMES THAT ARE 50 YEARS AND OLDER, WE CAN THEN DECIDE IF WE WANT TO LANDMARK THOSE.
SO TO ME, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WORK PLAN FOR THIS GROUP.
BUILDINGS, I THINK, IS THERE SOME REALLY INTERESTING COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN UPTOWN THAT ARE WELL OVER 50 YEARS OLD NOW AND, AND HAVE SIGNIFICANT VALUE TO THE HISTORY OF UPTOWN? SO, OR SEDONA.
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MY, MY HOTEL, I'D LIKE TO HAVE IT MARKED AS A SIGNIFICANT, BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT AND IT'S, I HOPE A HOTEL THAT A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW IS STILL HERE.BUT THE POINT THERE IS ARCHITECTURAL HOMES THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT.
UH, THERE MIGHT BE SOME MODERN HOMES DONE BY DESIGN GROUP OR SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY CHANGED ARCHITECTURE IN SEDONA THAT WE COULD CALL THAT A SIGNIFICANT, SO THAT'S FOR THIS GROUP TO DECIDE.
BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WORK PROGRAM FOR US TO WORK WITH.
'CAUSE IT PUTS US ON THE TRACK, NOT JUST LOOKING FOR OLDER HOMES, BUT LOOKING FOR ALL THE SIGNIFICANT COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL HOMES IN SEDONA.
AND ALSO, IT'S A GOOD WAY TO PAT PEOPLE ON THE BACK AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO KEEP THEIR HOUSE UP.
AND, AND I THINK THAT CYNTHIA WAS WORKING A LITTLE BIT ON, UH, IDENTIFYING SOME HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT PROPERTIES DOWN THERE.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE I SAW THAT ON A MAP, BUT I THINK WE HAVE ONE SOMEWHERE.
CYNTHIA WOULD PROBABLY HAVE MANY RESOURCES THAT COULD BE USED BY THE COMMISSION.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THE CFA WAS NEVER APPROVED.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE STILL RESOURCES THAT THE COMMISSION MAY WANT TO RIGHT.
AND I ALSO DID AN INVENTORY OF, OF BUILDINGS IN UPTOWN THAT WERE 50 YEARS OR OLDER AND HAD A CURRENT PICTURE AND THE PICTURE OF THE WAY IT WAS FORMALLY.
I THINK THESE ARE ALL VERY WELL MADE POINTS AND, AND ALL SHOULD BE PART OF, OF THIS WORK PLAN.
UM, TO, TO STEVE'S POINT ABOUT A, A WATCH LIST, I LIKE THAT IDEA.
UM, THERE'S A, A ORGANIZATION I USED TO WORK WITH YEARS AGO, UM, THAT WAS A HALL OF FAME.
AND THEY HAD ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.
LIKE, WE HAVE HERE, YOU'VE GOTTA BE 50 HERE, RIGHT? THERE, YOU HAD TO BE FIVE YEARS REMOVED FROM WHATEVER.
UM, AND IN THAT FIVE YEARS, THERE WAS A WATCH LIST, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'D BE, KEEP AN EYE ON SOMEBODY AND WATCH 'EM PROGRESS THROUGH THEIR CAREER.
AND WHEN THEY GOT TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WERE ELIGIBLE, DID THEY RISE TO THE LEVEL? DO THEY NOT, YOU KNOW? UM, SO I, I DO THINK, UH, COMING UP WITH A SYSTEM LIKE THAT IS A, IS A WISE CHOICE.
AND EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE IS NOW WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
NOW WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING.
WE'VE GOT OUR WORK AHEAD OF US.
WE KNOW, UH, WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND KEEP AN EYE ON TO, TO YOUR POINT JUST NOW, BOB, I THINK, UH, YOUR WORK ON THAT IS EXCELLENT.
AND I THINK COULD, COULD, UM, UH, CERTAINLY BE A PART OF, OF THIS AS WELL.
I THINK, UH, IT'S CRUCIAL, UH, TO GET THE NEXT SURVEY, UM, DONE.
AND I THINK THAT CAN BE A PART OF OUR NEXT CONVERSATION, UH, ON THE BUDGET.
UM, BUT I, I THINK IT'S CRUCIAL TO GET THAT SURVEY DONE, BECAUSE THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE IN 12 YEARS.
I THINK 2014 WAS THE LAST SURVEY.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, NOT ONLY HAVE THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE IN THAT SURVEY AND IDENTIFIED AT THAT POINT AS BEING 50 YEARS OR OLDER, NOT ONLY HAVE THEY SEEN SOME CHANGES OR, OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY A WHOLE NEW BATCH OF BUILDINGS HAVE TURNED 50 IN THE INTERVENING TIME, UM, AND NEED TO BE REVIEWED TOO.
LET'S MAYBE THINK, THINK OF IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
WHY DON'T YOU THINK OF UPTOWN AS NOT A BUILDING, BUT AS AN AREA ENCOMPASSING THE WHOLE THING.
UM, AND I ALSO THINK THAT IF WE EVER GET A HISTORY, WALK BACK AGAIN, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO HAVE A LONG COMPOUNDED PICTURE OF UPTOWN IN 1948 OR 1951, YOU KNOW, AND THEN MAYBE ANOTHER ONE BELOW IT, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS LATER OR SOMETHING.
BUT I THINK THE SIGNIFICANCE OF UPTOWN STARTING AS A COMMERCIAL AREA AND THE TOWN STARTING AS A COMMERCIAL TOWN, NOT, NOT AS A, A PLACE FOR RESIDENTS IS, IS, IS A GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
THE OTHER THING I THINK WE CAN DO IS THE CITY, UH, DOESN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO AND WHY ARE THEY PAYING ALL THIS MONEY? MM-HMM.
SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY, THIS HOUSE OVER HERE IS PRETTY COOL.
BUT I THINK GETTING PEOPLE INVOLVED, UH, KIND OF, UM, LET'S JUST KNOW THAT WHAT THE HISTORIC COMMISSION DOES, SO IT'S JUST
THAT GOES A LONG WAY TOWARDS PUBLIC EDUCATION.
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I THINK PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, UH, MAKES THE WORK OF THE COMMISSION STRONGER.UM, I THINK ANY WAY WE CAN DO THAT IS, IS A, A POSITIVE WAY TO DO IT.
UM, I DO WANNA CLARIFY MY THOUGHT AND, AND, UM, WITH, WELL, IT'S MORE A BUDGET THING, SO I'LL HOLD ONTO THAT WITH THE SURVEY.
BUT, UM, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS AS WE THINK ABOUT THIS? I DO THINK, I, I LIKE, YOU KNOW, I, I DO THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO THINK, AS STEVE SUGGESTED ABOUT, UM, AREAS, UH, HIS OF SIGNIFICANCE.
YOU KNOW, THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, CERTAINLY IN UPTOWN IS CERTAINLY A, A DISTRICT THAT, UH, WOULD BE WORTHY.
AND, AND INVESTIGATING THAT AND SEEING HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN, UM, IS WORTHY.
I THINK I DO WANNA BE CAREFUL ABOUT RESIDENTIAL, UM, BECAUSE WE JUST LANDMARKED A BUILDING WHERE THE OWNERS WERE ALL GUNG HO UNTIL THEIR NEIGHBORS FOUND OUT ABOUT IT.
AND NOW THEY DON'T WANT ANYONE REALLY TO KNOW THAT THEY LANDMARK THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WHICH, UH, IS, IS A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, IT, IT CAN HAPPEN CERTAINLY AS, AS PEOPLE SEARCH MOSTLY IN SEDONA.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I DO THINK, UH, THAT'S, IT'S NOT A REASON NOT TO, BUT IT IS A REASON TO BE COGNIZANT OF, OF THAT.
AND THINK ABOUT IT AS WE THINK ABOUT WHERE WE WANT TO TARGET OUR EFFORTS.
BUT YOU COULD THINK ABOUT GRASSHOPPER FLATS AS A AREA THAT, THAT YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT, BECAUSE SIGNIFICANTLY, YOU KNOW, HOW DID IT DEVELOP? WHY DID IT COME AROUND UPTOWN, DANNY GULET, WELLS ABOVE JORDAN ROAD, THOSE HOMES WERE THE FIRST HOMES IN THERE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AREA THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE COMMERCIAL AREA.
AND, UM, SO IT'S JUST AN IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW DID THE TOWN COME TOGETHER? AND IT CAME IN BITS AND PIECES THAT REALLY WEREN'T CONNECTED WELL, NO.
YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE CROSS STREETS.
SO, NO, IT WAS OVER HERE AND THEN OVER HERE AND OVER HERE, OVER THERE.
SO YOU GO TO OTHER AREAS AND OTHER COUNTRIES YOU FIND, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO DESIGNATE IT IN A WAY THAT IT DOES ANYTHING, BUT EXCEPT MAYBE IT'S A MODIFYING SIGN SAYING, HEY, THIS WAS THE FIRST COMMERCIAL DISTRICT FOUND IT, THE FIRST, WHAT'S HIS NAME'S CAMERA WAS FOUNDED IN SUCH AND SUCH DATE.
UM, SO IT GIVES US SOMETHING WE CAN, WE CAN WORK WITH.
AND SOME OF IT WAS CONTINGENT UPON AVAILABILITY OF WATER.
OH, IT'S ALL CONTINGENT ON WATER.
AND SPECIFICALLY, I'M THINKING OF WEST SEDONA.
UM, AND IT IS HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE I, I WAS JUST DOUBLE CHECKING THAT LDCS, THEY ARE PART OF THE LDC, SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT ANYWAY.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT WE'VE, WE'VE FAILED AT IS WE'VE NEVER REALLY SOLD OURSELF TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
YEARS AGO, WE USED TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL ONCE A YEAR.
WE WOULD ALL SHOW, WE WOULD GIVE A PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE WOULD TELL THEM WHAT OUR WORK PLAN IS FOR THE NEXT COMING YEAR.
AND THEN WE HAVE A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, USE A COUNCIL PERSON AT OUR MEETINGS.
AND SO THERE WAS MORE, MORE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I THINK SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE NOW ABOUT TRYING TO SHUFFLE IT OFF TO SOMEPLACE ELSE IS THAT THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND, AND FRANKLY, WE HAVEN'T DONE A GOOD JOB OF REALLY GETTING A LOT DONE.
AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD CHANCE TO GET BACK ON TRACK.
I THINK ALL THREE OF THOSE STATEMENTS ARE TRUE.
I, I DO THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET BACK ON TRACK AND, AND RESELL THE COMMISSION TO NOT JUST THE COUNCIL, BUT THE COMMUNITY AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET OURSELVES BACK ON TRACK.
I THINK IT'S, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT MORE AS AN OPPORTUNITY THAN, UH MM-HMM.
THAT'S WHY I LIKE YOU, STEVE, HERE, ALWAYS OPTIMISTIC.
UM, WELL, UM, IF THE, IF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE AMENABLE, I WOULD BE WILLING TO, UM, VOLUNTEER TO TAKE A, A FIRST STAB AT, UM, DRAFTING SOME SORT OF A WORK PLAN FOR US.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, WE'D HAVE TO TAKE THAT APPROACH BECAUSE A, A SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD BE A PUBLIC BODY, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO I, I'D BE WILLING TO TAKE A STAB AT THAT AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO A, A FUTURE MEETING.
AND, UM, THAT'S HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
THIS IS EXACTLY THE CONVERSATION WE HAD 12 YEARS AGO, WHY WE DIDN'T DO THE HISTORY PLAQUES WITH THE COMMISSION BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT IT TAKES TO GO BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH.
BUT, SO I THINK, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO DO IT AND THEN PASS AROUND AND THEN PASS IT AROUND.
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RESEARCH AND WAS THE CHAIR, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU, DONNA.WHY DO YOU GET A MUTE BUTTON?
THE CONCEPT OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS WAS RESEARCHED WHEN JANINE ILIAN WAS THE CHAIR, WHICH STEVE MAY REMEMBER.
AND SHE, THEY FOUND THAT YOU DID NOT HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING IN A CONSECUTIVE AREA.
AND SHE ALSO DID RESEARCH ON UPTOWN AND DID NOT FIND A LOT OF WILLINGNESS, AS I RECALL, FOR THE HOMEOWNERS TO BE INVOLVED.
BUT THERE MIGHT BE, SHE MIGHT HAVE SOME DOCUMENTS ON HER RESEARCH OF THAT.
AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME IN OUR HISTORIC RECORDS ON TOO.
I'VE COME ACROSS SOME OF JANINE'S RESEARCH IN THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY FILES TOO.
SHE WANTED TO MAKE IT IN AN OFFICIAL DISTRICT.
THEN WE FOUND OUT THAT IF ALMOST ANYBODY COMPLAINED, THEY, IT JUST WOULDN'T GO THROUGH.
UM, BUT I STILL THINK WE CAN HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT MM-HMM.
UM, AND, UH, WE COULD DO THE WHOLE CITY, FRANKLY, WE COULD TAKE A WHOLE CITY MAP AND YOU COULD PRETTY MUCH LAY IT OUT COLOR, COORDINATE IT, AND SAY, THIS HAPPENED IN 47, THIS HAPPENED IN 52, THIS HAPPENED IN SUCH AND SUCH.
LOOK AT A, LOOK AT A MAP OF PHOENIX NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THE QUESTION IS, COULD THE CITY USE IT WHEN THEY'RE DOING PLANNING AND ZONING FOR FUTURE, UM, DEVELOPMENT? BECAUSE THIS IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT FEEL OR LOOK THAT YOU WANT IN ANOTHER AREA THAT WOULD BE UNAPPROPRIATE THERE, BUT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE HERE.
IT MIGHT BE, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEFINE IT, STEVE.
IT, IT WILL NEED TO BE DEFINED, BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL LANDMARK, IT MIGHT FALL SIMILAR TO THE CATEGORY OF THE RECOGNITION PLAQUES YEAH.
THAT INVOLVE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WELL, EXCEPT THAT THOSE PLAQUES ARE NOT IN THE LDC AND DISTRICT DESIGNATIONS ARE MM-HMM.
I, I'M UNOFFICIAL, BASICALLY JUST HISTORICALLY DESIGNATING AREAS THAT, SO WHEN UPTOWN COMPLAINS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S BEING DONE IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, IF YOU CAN PULL OUT A MAP FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, AND YOU CAN SAY, HERE, THIS YELLOW IS WHERE THE HOMES CAME IN, AND THEY WERE BUILT IN 1953.
THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS BUILT IN 1947.
THEN YOU CAN KIND OF HAVE A DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, WHO'S INTRINSIC, WHO'S IMPOSING ON WHO.
AND RIGHT NOW IT'S IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER.
UM, SO A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO, UH, SAY.
ONE, WHEN WE SAY HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE IS A DEFINITION FOR THAT.
AND THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT 51% OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, VOTE TO BE WITHIN THAT.
UH, BUT I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER SIGNER, UH, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU CAN DESIGNATE FOR THE PURPOSE OF, OF, OF MAKING DECISIONS IN THE FUTURE AREAS OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
SO, WHICH, WHICH GETS ME TO MY SECOND POINT, THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF, OF THE SCOPE OF THIS COMMISSION, BUT MAYBE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE HISTORIC SOCIETY.
UM, WELL, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S TRUE.
UH, AND WE COULD, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO GO DOWN A WHOLE RABBIT HOLE OF IT, BUT I, I DO COULD SEE A WORLD WHERE IT IS WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THIS GROUP TO DO THAT FOR PLANNING PURPOSES.
WHERE YOU GUYS, I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING IN THE BEGINNING YEAH.
OF IDENTIFYING AREAS THAT YOU COULD SAY THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE HERE.
LET'S PUT THAT INTO, I FORGET WHAT YOU CALLED IT, UM, THE WATCH LIST.
SO HERE'S A, BUT IF WE GO BEYOND THAT, THE WATCH LIST LEADS YOU TO LANDMARKING.
SO I THINK YOU'RE MORE THAN FINE.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE STAYING WITHIN YOUR LANES IF WE USE IT SO THAT IN THE FUTURE WHEN THERE'S ARGUMENTS BETWEEN WHO CAME FIRST, THAT'S REALLY NOT WITHIN THE, THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO JUST BE CAREFUL ON, ON NOT CROSS THAT LINE.
ANYTHING ELSE ADD TO THIS ONE? ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE? NO.
YOU, YOU, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING
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UM, WE HAD ALSO TALKED LAST TIME ABOUT, UM, UH, WHAT SHIPPO IS DEVELOPING AND WHAT THEY HAVE MORE TO OFFER THAN THEY USED TO.AND I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE SOME RESOURCES THAT THEY HAVE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO BRING INTO THIS DISCUSSION.
WHEN I WAS AT THE MEETING, SHIPPO OFFERED QUITE A BIT OF GRANT MONEY IF WE WERE TO APPLY FOR IT.
UM, AND SHE SAID THAT SHE'D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO COME TO ONE OF OUR MEETINGS.
AND IT MIGHT BE A GOOD JOINT MEETING WITH SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY COUNCIL TOO.
AND I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE TOO.
SO MAYBE, MAYBE WE COULD DO SOMETHING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND SHIPPO AND OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE EXPECT.
HERE'S WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO YOU.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING THROUGH BUDGETS AND WE CAN GET SOME OF OUR BUDGET MONEY FROM THE STATE, WHY NOT? YEAH.
WELL, AND, AND I LIKE BEING IN TALKING ABOUT LANES.
I, I LIKE THE FACT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, WE'RE TALKING CLG MM-HMM.
AND, UH, WE HAVEN'T TALKED LIKE THAT BEFORE.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO MM-HMM.
THE CLG IS, IT CAN CERTAINLY BE A BENEFIT IF WE USE IT.
UM, AND, AND THAT OPENS UP ALL THE GRANTS AND, AND ALL THAT.
UM, I, I WILL SAY IN A CONVERSATION I HAD WITH, UH, ARIAN, ADRIANA, ARIANA, I CAN'T REMEMBER, CAN'T REMEMBER, UH, UH, NOT TOO LONG AGO.
UM, SHE DID SAY THAT, UM, IN HER OPINION, THE SEDONA UH, PROGRAM HAS BEEN ONE OF THE, UH, CROWN JEWELS FOR ARIZONA, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SURE.
YOU KNOW, THE BIG CITIES, MESA AND PHOENIX AND TEMPE DO THEIR THING.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A, A MORE RURAL COMMUNITY WITH AN ACTIVE, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM, UM, THAT CONTINUES, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE SHE POINTED TO A COUPLE OTHERS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY POP UP AND THEY'RE AROUND FOR A LITTLE BIT AND THEN THEY GO AWAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, UM, TO THE CREDIT OF LONGTIME COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF AND EVERYBODY, IT'S, YOU KNOW, HASN'T, HASN'T FADED HERE.
SO SHIPPO'S GOT THEIR EYES ON US.
MOVING ON TO B DISCUSSION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET FOR HPC.
THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE FUN ONE.
YOU WANNA LEAD US DOWN A PATH HERE, MR. MERTIS, OR? OH, I WAS HOPING I COULD JUST FOLLOW
WELL THEN WE ARE ASKING FOR BUDGET SOMEWHERE IN THE AREA OF 1.1 MIL.
AND, UH,
AND, UM, PRINTING OFFICE SUPPLIES IS SELF, SELF-DEFINING, UM, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
UH, THAT IS WHAT WE USE, UH, OFTENTIMES TO, UH, TO PAY FOR, UH, THE SURVEYING PAY FOR THAT.
BE BE NANCY COMING OUT, NANCY LOOKING OUT CHAPEL.
UM, UH, COMMISSION SUPPORT COULD ALSO BE, AND HELP ME OUT HERE, DONNA, BECAUSE, UM, BUT COMMISSION SUPPORT IS WHAT WE TOOK THE PLAQUES OUT OF THE MONIES FOR THE PLAQUES AND, UH, TO SUPPORT THE LANDMARKING, UH, OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, TO UNDERSTAND THE COSTS AND, AND, AND WHERE THIS IS GONNA FIT WITHIN THE BUDGET.
SO, SO IF, IF YOU'RE IDENTIFYING A NUMBER OF LANDMARKS THAT YOU WANNA DO IN FISCAL YEAR 26, THEN WE GO THROUGH THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UM, WHETHER IT BE, UH, PAYING A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT, UH, TO DO THE SURVEY OF THE PROPERTIES, UH, TO WRITE UP THE REPORT.
UM, AND THEN THE NUMBER OF PLAQUES AS WE FOUND OUT FROM, UH, THE LAST TWO THAT WE BOUGHT, THEY'RE SUBSTANTIAL IN COST.
UM, VERY NICE THOUGH, BUT SUBSTANTIAL IN COST.
AND SO, UH, JUST TO HAVE THOSE THOUGHTS IN MIND SO WE CAN COME UP WITH A BUDGET THAT IS GOING TO BE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT WE ACTUALLY NEED.
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AS YOU CAN SEE FROM PRIOR YEARS, UH, WE DIDN'T REALLY COME CLOSE TO USING UP THE MONEY THAT WAS IN THE BUDGET.UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN ASKING ALL DEPARTMENTS COMMISSIONS TO KIND OF TIGHTEN UP, UM, TO REALLY PUT IN HERE ONLY THAT WHICH YOU THINK YOU ARE GOING TO NEED, UH, IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL KIND OF BACK OFF AND LET THE DISCUSSION COMMENCE.
WELL, WE'VE GOT THE PLAQUES PAID FOR THIS YEAR FOR TILLOCK.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT NEXT YEAR.
SO EVERYTHING THAT WAS LANDMARKED, UH, TO DATE IS DONE IS, IS DONE IN A PART OF THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET.
SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, WE HAVE MONIES IN THE BUDGET THAT HAVE NOT BEEN USED.
BUT
'CAUSE THAT PROCESS STARTS IN ABOUT A MONTH.
SO, UM, THE, THE POINT I WAS GONNA MAKE EARLIER, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE, UH, COMMISSIONER HUGGINS AND, AND, UH, HOW HE'S GONE OUT AND HE SURVEYED BUILDINGS AND, AND LOOKED AT 'EM.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, UH, JANINE'S NAME ARE ALL OVER THOSE SURVEYS AND KAREN STUPAC AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION OVER THE YEARS, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE COMMISSION TO TAKE UP AND INDIVIDUALLY BREAK UP AND GO DO THAT RESEARCH AND FIND THOSE 50-YEAR-OLD BUILDINGS AND, AND DO THAT.
AND, AND I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF HIRING SOMEBODY TO DO THAT.
UM, THAT THEN GETS VERY EXPENSIVE, I WOULD IMAGINE.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHERE THOSE GRANTS CAN COME IN.
BUT I WENT DOWN THAT ROAD AND WE WORKED ON IT FOR TWO YEARS, AND THEN I FINALLY MADE TWO PHONE CALLS AND I CALLED UP YAVAPI AND I SAID, CAN YOU PRINT A MAP? AND THEY SAID, YES.
THEN I CALLED COCONINO AND THEY SAID, NO.
AND I JUST TOOK THE INFORMATION TO THE CITY AND THEY PRINTED A MAP.
SO SOMETIMES IT'S JUST A PHONE CALL.
SO ARE, ARE THOSE REAL DETAILED? NO, I UNDERSTAND.
BUT I THINK, BUT THAT WAS 10 YEARS AGO.
SO I THINK IF WE WERE TO, IF WE COULD GET A MAP AND WHAT WE DID IS WE JUST COLOR COORDINATED IT, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
YELLOW WAS 50 YEARS OR OLDER, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE, WE WENT DOWN IT, THEN YOU KIND OF JUST SIT THERE AND YOU GO OVER 'EM AND YOU DO SOME CIRCLES.
SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PAY SOMEBODY TO DO THAT, BECAUSE I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THEY'LL DO IT LONG AND HARD AND TEDIOUS AND IT'S GONNA COST A LOT OF MONEY.
I KNOW, HONESTLY, IF THERE'S GOTTA BE EASY WAYS TO DO STUFF.
SO I THINK THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE, UH, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN IDENTIFY EVERY BUILDING OVER 50 YEARS OLD USING COUNTY RECORDS AND GPS AND WHATEVER WE HAVE.
AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD WORK ON.
AND, UM, THERE AGAIN, IT CAN'T HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT WE, SO WE COULD WORK ON, I MIGHT WORK ON IT OR SOMEBODY ELSE, TWO PEOPLE COULD WORK ON IT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HIRE SOMEONE TO DO THAT AT THIS POINT.
WELL, HERE'S WHERE WE CAN USE YOUR STUDY AREA.
OTHERWISE WE'LL BE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
WELL, MOST OF OUR 50-YEAR-OLD HOMES ARE IN CERTAIN AREAS.
AND, UH, IF YOU GET WITH THE COUNTY RECORD NOW, THE, IN THEORY, THE CITY SHOULD HAVE THOSE MAPS.
AND IF WE HAVE THOSE MAPS, WE CAN JUST GO, OKAY, HOW DO WE DUPLICATE THE INFORMATION? MM-HMM.
UM, AND WE KNOW UPTOWN HAS LOTS OF THEM.
UM, BUT LET'S, LET'S KIND OF GET OUR ACT TOGETHER FIRST BEFORE WE GO OUT AND HIRE SOMEBODY.
AND NOT GIVE THEM GOOD HARD DIRECTION.
AND ANOTHER THOUGHT WOULD BE TO USE A STUDENT FROM A UNIVERSITY MM-HMM.
AND PROBABLY WOULD DO A REALLY GOOD JOB.
DID YOU GUYS HAVE AN INTERN OR SOMETHING? WE HAD AN INTERN, YEAH.
WE'VE HAD A COUPLE SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE.
SO WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE THINK ABOUT, PART OF OUR WORK PLAN IS TO REVISIT ALL THE BUILDINGS OVER 50 YEARS OLD.
UH, AND LET'S LOOK AT USING COUNTY RECORDS AND GPS TO COME UP, UH, IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE PHYSICAL YEAR WITH, UM, UM, THAT LIST.
AND THEN FROM THAT LIST WE CAN TAKE OUR WORK PLAN AND MOVE FORWARD.
BUT YOU GOTTA START FROM SOMEPLACE.
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AND THEN OTHER CONSIDERATIONS IN THE BUDGET.UM, SO THIS YEAR'S FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET LOOKS LIKE IT WAS PROBABLY JUST BASED SIMILARLY ON PREVIOUS YEARS.
IT WAS, UM, EVEN THOUGH I WASN'T A PART OF THE SETUP OF THIS BUDGET FROM LAST YEAR, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, IT WAS BASED ON TWO LANDMARK PROPERTIES.
SO IT WAS REALLY THE, THE SERVING OF THOSE, THE, THE, UM, PROCREATION OF THE, OF THE, UM, OF THE SIGNAGE AND, UM, THE POSTING AND THE PAPERS AND ALL THAT.
UH, AND THAT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS ADEQUATE FOR, FOR WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO THIS YEAR.
UM, DO WE FEEL THAT'S ADEQUATE MOVING FORWARD? THE ONE THING WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, WE USED TO HAVE, UM, AN EVENT AT YOUR PLACE WHERE WE INVITED ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAD RECOGNIZED HOMES.
AND THEY CAME DOWN AND WE TOOK PICTURES AND WE DID SOMETHING AND WE, YOU KNOW, DID PLAQUES.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD THINK ABOUT.
MAYBE NOT THIS YEAR, BUT DOWN THE LINE AGAIN, IS GETTING BACK ON TRACK AND SAYING THANK YOU.
UM, FOR TAKING CARE OF THAT HOUSE, THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY DESIGNATED.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT THIS COMING YEAR.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA, SO TO ME THIS BUDGET'S FINE.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS ADEQUATE TO ME AS WELL.
SO, AGAIN, TO KIND OF CLARIFY THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR, MEANING, UH, STARTING JULY 1ST, 2024 THROUGH JUNE 30TH, 2025 IS ALREADY SET.
SO REALLY THE DISCUSSION HERE IS FOR THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE FISCAL YEAR 26.
AND WHAT DO YOU FEEL AFTER JUNE 30TH OF NEXT YEAR WILL BE THE DIRECTION OF THIS COMMISSION? UH, I FEEL LIKE WHATEVER DIRECTION WE TAKE IT FROM THERE, I DO THINK A SIMILAR BUDGET TO, TO FISCAL YEAR 25 WOULD BE ADEQUATE FOR THE, UH, REGULAR WORK.
UM, I THINK SHOULD WE DECIDE THAT WE DO NEED TO, UH, HIRE SOMEBODY TO DO WORK, WHETHER IT'S A STUDENT, WHETHER IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD, UH, PURSUE CLG FUNDING FOR THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE CLG.
UM, CAN YOU SPEAK STEVE OR DONNA TO CITY BUDGETING PROCESSES AS IT RELATES TO GRANTS? UM, 'CAUSE THE LAST CITY I WENT TO, YOU HAD TO KNOW LIKE YEARS IN ADVANCE THAT YOU PLANNED TO GET A GRANT AND IT WAS PART OF THE BUDGET AND ALL THAT.
UH, BUT THAT WAS A DIFFERENT WAY THAN THE CITY OF SEDONA MAY LOOK AT GRANTS.
THAT THAT SHOULD JUST BE OUR MONEY, SO IT SHOULD BE
SO QUITE OFTEN THERE ARE, UM, UH, BUDGETS ARE MADE AND, AND LINE ITEMS ARE IDENTIFIED WITH COSTS.
UM, AND GRANTS ARE NOT KNOWN FOR THAT.
SO IT'S GREAT IF A GRANT CAN BE RECEIVED FOR THAT, AND THEREFORE THAT'S LESS MONEY THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE TO PAY OUT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT ALWAYS DROVE ME NUTS ABOUT MY, MY LAST NOT TO BE NAMED CITY.
I WAS LIKE, HOW WOULD, YOU KNOW? LIKE YEAH.
SO WE WOULDN'T NECESS EVEN IF WE, UH, WITH THAT WORK PLAN, EH, THERE'S THAT WORD, THE WORK PLAN IN MIND, THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY DOWN THE ROAD THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY IMPACT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THE BUDGET NUMBERS AND CORRECT.
IN, IN THE PAST WHEN WE DID THIS, I ALWAYS, THERE WAS ALWAYS A NUMBER FOR STAFF TIME.
AND THAT SEEMS TO BE THE, THE CONTENTIOUS THING WITH THE CITY.
SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE, WE DON'T WANT TO USE UP STAFF TIME, AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE HOT BUTTON WITH THE CITY.
SO CAN WE, CAN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY MEETINGS DO WE NEED SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GO BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, LOOK, WE'VE AGREED AND WE WANT TO WATCH STAFF TIME AS A BUDGET ITEM, AND WE THINK WE CAN DO THE BUSINESS IN X NUMBER OF MEETINGS.
STEVE, WHAT'S OUR ALLOCATION OF STAFF TIME NOW, TO BE HONEST, UM, IT HAS NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR A LONG TIME.
THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME WHERE IT WAS 10%, BUT THAT'S WHEN THERE WAS A DESIGNATED PLANNER.
UM, AND IT WAS 10% OF THAT PLANNER'S DUTIES.
NOW IT'S, IT'S BEEN DUE TO, DUE TO, UM, LOSS OF STAFF DUE TO NOT HAVING A FULL STAFF.
AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE FULL STAFF THAT REALLY HAS NOT BEEN, UH, LOOKED AT.
UM, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE
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ALONG THE LINES OF STAYING WITHIN TWO TO 3% OF SOMEONE'S 40 HOUR A WEEK.52 WEEKS A YEAR, UH, TIMEFRAME.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WE HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS BECAUSE SOMEBODY NEEDED SHINGLES ON THE ROOF AND WE HAD A MEETING ON THE SHINGLES, AND THEN WE HAD A MEETING TO DESIGNATE THE MONEY FOR.
SO A LOT OF THAT STUFF GOT PUSHED ONTO STAFF.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF DISAPPEARED.
THAT NUTS AND BOLTS WORK THAT WE USED TO DO AT MEETINGS WE DON'T HAVE ANYMORE.
AND IF I COULD INTERJECT, YOU BRING UP A VERY GOOD POINT, UH, COMMISSIONER SEGER THAT, UM, THE ERA THAT I WAS DISCUSSING WAS PRIOR TO THE, UM, REORGANIZATION OF THE COMMISSION AND THE NEW REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE LDC.
SO YES, IT WAS A MUCH BROADER SCOPE BACK THEN AS WELL.
SO IF WE WERE TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL, I, I THINK FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW, JUST AS A BUSINESS PERSON, I WOULD SAY, LOOKING AT THE REALM OF WORK WE WANT TO DO, HOW MANY MEETINGS DO WE FEEL WE NEED TO DO OUR WORK? AND IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE CITY AND SAY, LOOK AT THE, THEY'VE DISCUSSED HOW MANY MEETINGS THIS IS, THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS THEY'VE COMMITTED TO ARE LESS, I THINK MIGHT SMOOTH SOME FEATHERS OVER, UH, WHEN THE MEETINGS START TALKING.
SO THAT'S JUST MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE CITY COUNCIL THINKS A LITTLE BIT.
SO IF WE COULD COME UP AND DO WE NEED A MONTHLY MEETING? DO WE NEED, IS THAT TWO A QUARTER? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST SAYING IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS.
IS IT MANDATED ANYWHERE? UH, HOW MANY MEETINGS? WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A YEAR OF FOUR.
IS THAT BY THE ORDINANCE THAT CREATED? YEAH.
BY STATUTE, COULD WE, COULD WE DO OUR WORK WITH SIX, MAXIMUM SEVEN IF WE WERE TO THEN MAKE US THE MEMBERS, DO SOME OF THE WORK IN BETWEEN SO THAT WHEN WE CAME TO A MEETING, WE ACTUALLY WERE WORKING ON SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN CARRIED FORWARD.
OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE GONNA WORK ON A PLAN.
YOU KNOW, I MIGHT WORK ON FINDING 50-YEAR-OLD BUILDINGS.
YOU MIGHT WORK ON IDENTIFYING UPTOWN BUILDINGS.
AND SO THEN OUR MEETINGS WOULD ACTUALLY BECOME WORK SESSIONS.
THEY MIGHT BE LONGER, BUT WE'D ACTUALLY GET THE WORK DONE.
WELL, THAT REMINDS ME A LITTLE BIT OF THE DESIGNATING SOME TASKS.
AND IN PARTICULAR, I THINK OF IF MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION COULD GO OUT AND ESTABLISH WHETHER A CERTIFICATE OF NO EFFECT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IS APPROPRIATE FOR A PARTICULAR INSPECTION.
UH, WE DO, WE NEED A STAFF PERSON THERE.
I MEAN, I REMEMBER WARREN USED TO GO A LOT FOR THOSE, BUT I DIDN'T THINK HE HAD TO, IT WAS FOR GUIDANCE MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
I JUST THINK IT'S ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT HOW WE DO BUSINESS.
BUT, BUT WE'D STILL LIKE TO GET SOME THIS BIGGER ITEMS DONE.
AND I, I THINK IF, IF NEXT YEAR WE IDENTIFIED ALL THE BUILDINGS, 50 YEARS OR OLDER, UM, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD START.
AND THEN IF WE WERE TO GO BACK AND PROBABLY WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE BUILDINGS WE'VE ALREADY DESIGNATED.
YOU KNOW, WE, SOMEBODY SHOULD, WE SHOULD DRIVE BY.
AND MAYBE THAT'S A MEETING WE DO DRIVE BY AND ACTUALLY LOOK AT 'EM AND YEAH.
BECAUSE WE USED, I'VE, WE USED TO HAVE A PROGRAM WHERE WE, WE WOULD GIVE THEM MONEY IF THEY NEEDED THINGS DONE, AND THEN WE KIND OF GOT AWAY FROM THAT.
'CAUSE IT KIND OF GOT OUTTA HAND AND, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT WASN'T PRACTIC.
THEY WERE ASKING FOR LITTLE NICKEL AND DIME THINGS THAT IT TOOK WEEKS TO GET IT APPROVED.
BUT I, I THINK IF WE COULD WORK ON SIX, SIX MEETINGS A YEAR AND, AND IF WE HAD TO CALL A SPECIAL ONE OR SOMETHING, BUT AT LEAST IT'S A GOAL.
WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT? MY THOUGHT IS THIS DISCUSSION NEEDS TO BE TIED WITH YOUR WORK PLAN.
SO AS MUCH AS I'D LIKE TO SAY GREAT, LET'S, LET'S LIMIT IT TO SIX MEETINGS.
I THINK THAT THE TRUE DISCUSSION HAS TO START ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO DO, WHAT, WHAT THAT WORK PLAN IS GONNA SAY.
UH, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING TO DO? UM, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING TO PUT ON OURSELVES? MM-HMM.
UM, SO, UM, SO TO ME, I'D, I'D LOVE TO JUST SAY, YEAH, LET'S SAY SIX.
BUT AGAIN, YOU ALSO DON'T WANT TO LIMIT YOURSELF IF YOU TRULY HAVE A VERY PRODUCTIVE YEAR.
SO, UM, I THINK IT STARTS WITH
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THAT WORK PLAN AND THEN LOOKING AT THAT AND SAYING, YES, THIS IS GOOD, OR YES, NO, I THINK WE CAN DO MORE HERE.YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU CAN START TO KIND OF IDENTIFY HOW MANY MEETINGS YOU THINK ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED FOR WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO.
I, I THINK THAT'S A A FAIR POINT, A GOOD POINT.
UM, I THINK WHAT WE CAN SAY TO CITY COUNCIL IN THE MEANTIME, BECAUSE THE, I MEAN OUR, THAT CITY COUNCIL MEETING WILL HAPPEN, UH, BEFORE, UM, THIS BODY MEETS AGAIN.
UM, AND SO I THINK WHAT WE CAN SAY TO CITY COUNCIL IN THE MEANTIME IS EVERYTHING'S ON THE TABLE AS FAR AS HOW WE GET OUR WORK DONE, INCLUDING A WILLINGNESS TO, UH, REVIEW HOW MANY TIMES WE MEET.
UH, AND THEREBY, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY REDUCE DRAIN ON AND OVERWORK OF STAFF.
I CAN SEE A CITY COUNCIL ASKING, WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU DO? MM-HMM.
AND IF WE CAN'T ARTICULATE THAT MM-HMM.
SO I THINK WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE WORK PLAN, I THINK YOUR VERY TOP THING IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DO AND WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? MM-HMM.
AND WHY ARE WE IMPORTANT AT ALL? MM-HMM.
UM, AND THEN THE UNDERSTANDING, WE NEED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION SO WE UNDERSTAND IT.
ARE WE DESIGNATED AS A NECESSARY, NECESSARY COMMISSION TO BE A CITY IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA? UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD THAT.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE TERM FOR THE CITY OF, UM, THERE'S A CERTAIN STATUTE OF CITY THAT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO HAVE IS A HISTORIC COMMISSION.
I THINK WE NEED TO FIRM THAT UP.
WELL, THAT, THAT'S WHY I SAID BEFORE GETTING SHIPPO INVOLVED.
BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE CAN DO.
WE NEED, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO, ANYTIME YOU'RE GONNA SELL, YOU GOTTA KNOW YOUR PRODUCT.
SO WE NEED TO IDENTIFY OUR PRODUCT, PUT OUR THOUGHTS ON OUR PRODUCT TOGETHER AT THE TOP OF OUR BUSINESS PLAN.
THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA ACCOMPLISH.
WE MIGHT WANNA FOCUS A LITTLE MORE ON THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE DIDN'T AGENDIZE A DISCUSSION OF THE MEETING WITH COUNCIL
NO, BUT I DO THINK IT'S RELATED.
I I DON'T THINK THAT'S UNRELATED.
I BUDGET THINK BECAUSE IF, IF IT'S THE CASE AS COMMISSIONER NER STATES THAT, UM, THAT SOME CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, ARE LOOKING AT THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE THEY THINK IT MIGHT BE A WAY TO REDUCE, UM, UH, STAFF TIME AND THEREFORE REDUCE COSTS ON HPCI, I DO THINK IT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE, THE BUDGET.
EVEN IF IT DOESN'T SHOW, EVEN IF IT'S NOT A LINE ITEM THAT'S TAKEN.
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF THERE WAS A BUDGET ITEM FOR STAFF IN THERE WAY.
WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE ONE, SO, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S, BUT IT'S IN THE BACK OF THEIR MINDS.
IN 1998 WHEN THE COMMISSION WAS ESTABLISHED, THE COUNCIL CREATED A RESTRICTION THAT SAID IT WAS NOT TO TAKE UP ANY MORE THAN 20% OF ONE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE, OR EIGHT HOURS A WEEK EQUIVALENT.
AND WHEN THE COMMISSION GOT INTO GRANTS AROUND 2014, 15, IT WAS TAKING 40 OR MORE PERCENT OF STAFF.
SO YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, IF COUNSEL HAS THOSE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF 'EM, THEY'RE GONNA BE AWARE OF THAT.
WELL, WE'RE WAY UNDER THAT NOW.
UM, IS THAT THE STATUTE THAT'S STILL ON THE BOOKS? NO MORE THAN 20%.
THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL STATUTE AND I DON'T KNOW OF ANY CHANGE.
IT'S GOOD TO KNOW WHEN KATHY WAS RUNNING IT.
SHE WAS 20% OF HER TIME I THINK.
BUT YET WE HAD LOTS OF LITTLE NITTY THINGS WE WERE DOING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE JUST DON'T DO ANYMORE.
YOU KNOW, AFTER STAFF TIME AND YEAH.
SO I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH.
UH, I THINK THE BUDGET LOOKS FINE TO ME.
UM, I DO THINK WE DO NEED TO HAVE A GOOD WORK PLAN.
AND I THINK IF YOU CAN START IT, WE CAN PASS IT AROUND.
AND I DO THINK WE NEED AN A, A BIG AUDACIOUS GOAL THAT WE TRY TO DO.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S JUST MUNDANE STUFF.
SO ARE YOU INDICATING YOU JUST WANT TO CARRY IT FORWARD THE SAME AMOUNTS THAT YOU HAD FOR FY 24 FY 2025? WELL, YEAH.
SOUNDS LIKE I, I THINK WHICH IS IN THE EMAIL.
UHOH HERE COMES A WET BLANKET.
UM, THE COMMISSION HAD BROUGHT UP THE SURVEY AND UPDATING THE SURVEY.
AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO THAT,
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THAT WOULD BE A VERY ROBUST BUDGET NUMBER.SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS AS A PART OF FISCAL YEAR 26? UM, 'CAUSE UH, UH, CHAIR MEYERS HAD INDICATED, UH, EARLIER THAT THIS BUDGET IS GOOD FOR THE NUTS AND BOLTS OR THE TYPICAL THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION DOES.
BUT THE COMMISSION HAD ALSO DISCUSSED EARLIER THE UPDATE OF THAT SURVEY.
AND YES, THERE MIGHT BE, UM, GRANT MONIES MAYBE FROM SHIPPO OR ELSEWHERE TO HELP WITH THAT.
BUT I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS THE COMMISSION SHOULD BE DISCUSSING, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 26.
WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT EXACTLY ENTAIL AFTERWARDS UPDATING THE SURVEY? WHAT IS, WHAT IS UPDATE? I DON'T HAVE A COPY WITH ME.
BUT, UH, TO GET, GET BACK TO, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONER EGNER WAS TALKING ABOUT, MAYBE THIS YEAR IS THE YEAR THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, TARGET, UM, PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE GOING FORWARD.
AND THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN A SURVEY.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, DRAIN A BUDGET TERRIBLY.
BUT, UM, IT WAS INDICATED THAT THIS IS, UH, THE LAST TIME IT WAS UPDATED WAS 2014 MM-HMM.
SO IF THE COMMISSION WERE THINKING ABOUT WANTING TO UPDATE THAT, THAT IT WOULD BE, IN MY MIND, A DIS SHOULD BE A DISCUSSION PART OF THE DISCUSSION COST HERE FOR FISCAL YEAR 26.
SO THAT, TO MY QUESTION, WHAT, WHAT IS ENTAILED
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEY, EACH, EACH BUILDING THEN THAT FITS, THAT 50 YEAR THRESHOLD HAS AN ENTIRE SERIES OF, UH, DATA POINTS THAT'S RECORDED ABOUT IT.
AND IT ACTUALLY REQUIRES SOME SIGNIFICANT RESEARCH IN SOME PLACES.
SO, UM, IT'S THE STUFF YOU CAN GET FROM THE COUNTY, THE AGE, THE LOCATION, THE, THE CURRENT OWNER, ALL THAT KINDA STUFF.
BUT THE ARCHITECT AND BUILDER, UM, ITS INTEGRITY, ITS CONDITION, THE, THE, UM, BUILDING MATERIALS, ROOF TYPE, I MEAN EAVES TREATMENTS, ET CETERA.
I MEAN, IT, IT REQUIRES A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, WELL, FOR THESE WHEN, BUT LIKE THERE'S, I'M CONFUSED.
IS THE SURVEY REVIEWING THE PAST PEOPLE WE'VE DONE, ARE LOOKING FOR NEW? BOTH.
THEN LET'S WORK THIS COMING YEAR ON FINDING THE 50-YEAR-OLD PROPERTIES.
THEN WE CAN IDENTIFY LIGHTLY CANDIDATES THE FOLLOWING YEAR WE WOULD DO THE MONEY FOR A SURVEY.
UM, IF I COULD INTERRUPT ONE MORE TIME, WHAT OTHER, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AS PART OF THAT SURVEY UPDATE IS THAT A PORTION OF THOSE PROPERTIES IN THIS SURVEY BOOK, UM, HAVE BEEN UPDATED TO THE STATE'S CURRENT, UM, UM, FORMAT.
AND SO THERE ARE A LARGE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES WITHIN THAT BOOK THAT NEED TO BE, EVEN THOUGH THE INFORMATION IS THERE, IT STILL HAS TO BE UPDATED INTO THE STATE'S CORRECT.
SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER COST TO THAT COST.
WE COULD USE AN INTERN FOR THAT.
I STILL THINK THAT'S NEXT YEAR.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THEN, THEN KNOWING THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT THE COST, WE CAN GET SOME ESTIMATES.
SO THAT WOULD, THIS YEAR WOULD BE A GOOD YEAR TO PULL THOSE IDEAS AND GET THE RESOURCES LINED UP FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
'CAUSE GRANT PROCESS TAKES TIME.
UH, SO I DO THINK THAT WOULD ALL BE PART OF THE WORK PLAN FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, IS GETTING THAT OUR DUCKS IN A ROW FOR THAT AND BE ABLE TO, TO MOVE AHEAD IN 26 IF, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO.
SO WITH THAT SAID, THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS THE BUDGET PROCESS IS THAT WE HAVE TO PROJECT SO FAR IN ADVANCE.
SO IF WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE COMMISSION IS THAT, UM, I NEED TO PULL SOME NUMBERS TOGETHER, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 TO PUT IN THE, THE COMMISSION'S BUDGET FOR THE UPDATING OF THE SURVEY.
'CAUSE I THINK AT THE MOMENT WE JUST DON'T
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HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.BUT THERE HAVE TO BE NUMBERS OUT THERE THAT A, A COMMUNITY OF THIS SIZE TAKES, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE, THERE'S GOTTA BE FORMULA OUT THERE SOMEWHERE.
WOULD, WOULD THERE BE ANY HANGOVER COST OR SOMETHING WE SHOULD BUDGET FOR, FOR THE RANGER STATION? IS THERE, OR ARE WE OUT OF THAT NOW? YES.
I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THE COMMISSION'S RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE RANGER STATION WAS THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES.
SO YES, THE, THE COMMISSION WOULD NOT BE, UM, RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY FURTHER, UH, PART OF THE DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, AS A, UH, COURTESY FOR, YOU KNOW, IN PUBLIC WORKS WANTS TO KEEP DOING THAT.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE COMMISSION, YES.
I, I BELIEVE THAT, THAT, THAT IS COM THAT IS FINISHED.
THE ONLY THING WOULD BE IF WE DECIDED TO, UH, DESIGNATE THAT AS A HISTORIC DISTRICT, JUST THE BARN AND THE, UH, THAT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF WORK AND MONEY AND IT'S, I LOOKED UP ON HOW TO DO IT AND IT'S NOT THAT HARD, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU DO HAVE TO PULL SOME STUFF TOGETHER.
BUT IF YOU, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT AND IT'S NOT AGENDIZED, UH, THEN IT'S MOOT.
AND MAYBE IT'S FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION, BUT IF YOU TOOK THE OCK RANGER ROAD, BREWER ROAD, HART ROAD AREA, THAT'S PERFECT FOR DESIGNATION AS AN AREA.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? DO YOU HAVE YOUR
AND IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK ON AND BRING FORTH TO THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, IT'LL BE PART OF OUR PRELIMINARY BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, BUT WE WON'T NEED THOSE NUMBERS FOR ANOTHER COUPLE MONTHS.
I THINK IF, IF IT'S SUFFICIENT, UH, IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THE BUDGETING TO SAY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AND, AND WE'LL PULL SOME NUMBERS AND MM-HMM.
HOW, HOW DO WE PROCEED? AND WHO PROCEEDS WITH LOOKING FOR GRANTS? UM, AND HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE FIND OUT WHAT'S AVAILABLE? WHO DO WE CALL, UH, WHO DOES IT? UM, SHOULD WE INVITE THEM UP TO TALK TO US AND MAYBE HAVE A COMBINATION CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND MEETING? UH, I, I'LL BET ADRIANA WOULD KNOW.
I THINK THAT WOULD, IT WOULD HELP US IF, IF THE CITY COUNCIL WAS TO LISTEN TO HER MM-HMM.
AND I THINK SHE COULD INVIGORATE US AND INVIGORATE THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO I'M THINKING ABOUT INVITING HER UP TO ONE OF OUR MEETINGS AND MAYBE IT'S A JOINT MEETING JUST AS, AS SOMETHING, A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.
I THINK, I THINK BRINGING HER UP HERE IS A, A FANTASTIC IDEA.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE SINCE DONNA DIDN'T LIKE WHERE WE TOOK THAT ONE?
I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THAT AND CONTINUE THIS, UH, BUDGET DISCUSSION AND, AND WORK PLAN DISCUSSION.
UM, AND THINK, UM, ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON AN AGENDA FOR THAT ONE? WHAT'S OUR DEADLINE FOR THE BUDGETS? STEVE, DO YOU KNOW, UM, DONNA, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME OUT ON THIS.
WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT, UM, GETTING SOME FIRM NUMBERS BY MID-DECEMBER.
DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? AT THE LATEST? OKAY.
GENERALLY WE, WE WANNA WORK OUT THE BASICS IN OCTOBER AND REFIN IT BASED ON FINANCE DIRECTION IN DECEMBER AND THE CUTOFF IS TO SUBMIT TYPICALLY IN JANUARY.
SO IF WE'RE HAVING AN OCTOBER MEETING, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A ROUGH WORK PLAN SKETCHED OUT, UH, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN BEING ABLE TO ASSESS THE NUMBERS YOU'RE INDICATING TO CARRY FORWARD IN CASE WE HAVE TO MODIFY SOME OF THOSE.
BECAUSE ONCE IT'S SUBMITTED, YOU DON'T CHANGE IT.
GET IT WHILE YOU CAN GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
CAN WE AGENDIZE DISCUSSION OF THE PAST
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MAPS THAT WE USE TO IDENTIFY 50-YEAR-OLD BUILDINGS? SEE IF WE CAN FIND THAT INFORMATION IN THE FILES.UM, I THINK ONCE EVERYBODY SEES HOW WE DID IT, WHAT IT WORKED WITH, THEN THE NEXT STEP WE COULD TAKE FORWARD AND WRITING A LETTER TO BOTH THE COUNTY IS ASKING FOR THE INFORMATION OR MORE INFORMATION, NEWER UPDATE, NEWER UPDATES.
BUT I, I THINK IF WE CAN GO THROUGH THE FILES AND FIND THAT INFORMATION, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE STUFF THAT KATHY LEVIN HAD.
UH, DONNA, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHERE IT ENDED UP? I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO IDEA.
UNLESS CYNTHIA WOULD BE THE BEST INFORMED ON WHAT WE STILL HAVE.
BUT FOR SOME REASON WHEN THE HP PC LIBRARY DISAPPEARED IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE, WE SEEM TO HAVE LOST A LOT OF INFORMATION.
NOW THOSE MAPS WERE DONE BY THE CITY AT POINT, BRYN AT ONE POINT BRYN DID HAVE SOME INFORMATION, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF SHE HAD RETURNED WHAT SHE HAD TO THE CITY OR SHE STILL HAS SOME.
BUT THE, THE CITY, CITY GE, IS IT GES OR G, WHATEVER IT IS.
THE GPS, THEY PRINTED THOSE MAPS FOR US.
WE GAVE 'EM INFORMATION BUT THEY PRINTED THEM THE CITY.
SO MAYBE THEY HAVE 'EM IN A FILE TUCKED SOMEPLACE.
THE CITY OR THE COUNTY PRINTED 'EM.
UM, THE CITY PRINTED THEM 'CAUSE I GOT ONE FROM EACH COUNTY AND THEN WE TOOK THE INFORMATION FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THEN THE CITY PRINTED THEM OUT.
UM, THE DEPARTMENT, IT JUST MIGHT BE THERE IN A FILE.
IF NOT, I'LL TALK TO BRYNN TOO.
UM, BUT I THINK IF WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN HOW TO PROCEED, UM, UH, THEN IT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, NEED A LETTER TO THE COUNTIES ASKING FOR THE INFORMATION AGAIN.
I JUST SAID IT WAS A PHONE CALL, BUT I THINK THOSE DAYS ARE GONE.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE NEED AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE DON'T HAVE OUR LEGAL COUNSEL HERE ANYWAY.
UM, SO I GUESS WE'RE ONTO ADJOURNMENT.