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OKAY.MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER? DO YOU WANNA DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FIRST? I HAVE CALLED, UH, CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER ON HERE FIRST, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE CALLING IT TO ORDER AND THEN PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
AND WE'RE, WE'LL DO THE ROLL CALL.
SO LET'S, UH, DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLICAN ONE NATION UNDER INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[2. ROLL CALL/MOMENT OF ART]
I'M OPEN OF SILENCE.THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK, HOW ABOUT THE ROLL CALL? SURE.
UH, THIS IS THE FIRST, UH, MEETING OF THE MONTH.
SO WE HAVE NANCY LATTANZI FOR A MOMENT OF ART.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS.
BEFORE I START WITH THE MOMENT OF ART, I JUST WOULD LIKE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AROUND AND ENJOY THE NEW EXHIBIT.
THIS IS BY BILL AND ELAINE BELVIN, SEASONED PHOTOGRAPHERS WHO I'VE WANTED TO HAVE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND I'M REALLY HAPPY I GOT THEM FOR NOW.
THEIR RECEPTION WILL BE, UM, SEPTEMBER 26TH, THURSDAY FROM FOUR TO SIX.
SO SAVE THE DATE IN THIS ROOM IN THE TI.
SO THIS MOMENT OF ART IS VERY CLOSE TO MY HEART.
UM, I MET SARAH ESTRADA WHEN SHE STARTED IN JULY 23, AND WE STARTED CHATTING AND I TOLD HER THAT BEFORE I WORKED HERE, I HAD AN ART STUDIO ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY FOR CHILDREN NAMED PLANET ART.
AND WE SAID WE HAVE TO COLLABORATE.
AND SO I BROUGHT IT TO ONE OF MY MEETINGS AT THE SCHOOLS THROUGH ARTISTS IN THE CLASSROOM, AND WE INTRODUCED WHY WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR SUSTAINABILITY TO BE PART OF THE CURRICULUMS. AND SO IT WENT FROM THERE TO STAND UP SARAH HORTON.
SARAH HORTON IS THE ART TEACHER AT WEST SEDONA ELEMENTARY, AND SHE JUMPED ON THIS.
SO BASICALLY, UM, THIS PROJECT WE'RE GONNA INTRODUCE IS ABOUT A CLIMATE ACTION ARTWORK CHALLENGE.
AND I'M SURE MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN THE WORK AT THE, UH, SEDONA LIBRARY.
UM, SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, 200 STUDENTS PARTICIPATED.
THERE WERE 12 FIRST PLACE WINNERS, TWO PER GRADE, AND THEIR ARTWORK IS DISPLAYED ON THE BIG BELLY RECEPTACLES.
AND THANK YOU COUNCILOR FURMAN.
'CAUSE HE ASKED ME TO DO THIS SEVERAL TIMES AND I DID IT.
SO, UH, I HOPE YOU ENJOY THIS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION AND SARAH WILL START.
TAKE A SECOND FOR IT TO COME UP.
SO THE YOUTH CLIMATE OUT ACTION ARTWORK CHALLENGE WAS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA AND WEST STONE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
UM, AS NANCY SAID, WE HAD ABOUT 200 STUDENTS PARTICIPATE, AND THIS WAS GRADES K THROUGH FIVE.
THE TIMEFRAME OF THE PROJECT WAS DURING THE SPRING SEMESTER LAST SCHOOL YEAR, AND THEY WORKED ON THIS PROJECT IN THE ART CLASSROOM, UH, PERIODICALLY THROUGHOUT THAT SEMESTER.
THE STUDENTS BASICALLY WERE INSTRUCTED TO CREATE ARTWORK RELATED TO EACH GRADE LEVELS ENVIRONMENTAL TOPIC THAT WENT WITH THEIR STEM CURRICULUM.
AND SARAH HORTON KIND OF GAVE THEM DIFFERENT SPECIFIC ART MEDIUMS TO USE.
SO THE FIRST PLACE WINNERS WERE DISPLAYED ARE BEING DISPLAYED CURRENTLY ON THE BIG BELLY SMART WASTE AND RECYCLING RECEPTACLES.
HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE.
SO THE SIDE PANELS IS WHERE WE PUT THE STUDENT'S ARTWORK.
WE WANTED TO TEACH LOCAL YOUTH ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, PROTECTING THEIR LOCAL ENVIRONMENT.
UM, WE WANTED THIS ART PROJECT TO ALIGN WITH THEIR STEM CURRICULUM, SO I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.
AND WE WANTED TO ENCOURAGE CREATIVITY AND EXPRESSION, OF COURSE.
SO EACH WINNER WAS CHOSEN BASED OFF OF SOME CRITERIA.
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CLEAR ACTION STEP FOR PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT? THE ARTWORK NEEDED TO HAVE ELEMENTS OF SOME SEDONA ENVIRONMENT OR JUST ENVIRONMENT IN GENERAL, AND ALSO ALIGNING WITH THEIR ASSIGNED TOPIC.SO THEIR ASSIGNED TOPICS, UM, WERE RECYCLING FOR KINDERGARTEN AND AIR QUALITY.
FIRST GRADE LANDS, PLANTS AND ANIMALS FOR SECOND GRADE, THIRD GRADE WATER, FOURTH GRADE ENERGY OR ENERGY CONSERVATION.
AND FIFTH GRADE, A LITTLE MORE ADVANCED, THE CONCEPT OF SUSTAINABILITY.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IN KINDERGARTEN, IN THEIR STEM ENGINEERING KITS, THEY'RE LEARNING ABOUT DESIGNING TRASH COLLECTORS AND RECYCLING.
SO WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT TOPIC FOR THEIR ART PROJECT.
THIRD GRADE IS ALSO LEARNING A LOT ABOUT WATER.
SO WE ALSO THOUGHT THAT WOULD ALIGN WELL.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT SOME OF THE ARTWORK.
SO ON THE LEFT HAND WE HAVE KINDERGARTEN.
UM, SARAH HORTON THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO USE KIND OF THE HAND PRINTS AS LIKE A RECYCLING SYMBOL.
SO THIS IS THEIR RECYCLING ARTWORK.
WE HAVE ANDREW VILLALOBOS AND PATRICK MCINNIS.
AND FIRST GRADE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR AIR QUALITY.
SO WE WANTED ELEMENTS OF CLEAN AIR, UH, MESSAGING SAYING KEEP OUR AIR CLEAN.
SO WE HAVE ALINA DY AND EMMA RGO.
SO CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE WINNERS.
THEY'RE ON THE BIG BELLY RECEPTACLES.
WE ALSO HAVE LILLIAN MORRIS AND PIPER WAGNER, UM, FOR LAND PLANS AND ANIMALS.
SO WE HAVE, UH, LILLIAN MORRIS IS, YOU KNOW, SHOWING AN ACT OF LOVE AND THROWING AWAY TRASH.
AND THEN WE HAVE PIPER'S HERE WITH SOME MESSAGING ABOUT KEEPING TRASH OUT OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND A CUTE LITTLE COYOTE HOWLING
AND THEN ARABELLA GRIFFIS AND EMERSON BNI WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR WATER CONSERVATION AND KEEPING TRASH OF OUR WATER.
SO WE HAVE SOME, UH, USAGE OF COLORED PENCIL MEDIUMS, WHICH WAS KIND OF CHALLENGING, BUT THEY DID A GREAT JOB AT CREATING ELEMENTS OF WATER.
AND THEN WE HAVE CHRISTINA GUZMAN HERNANDEZ AND MELODY MEDINA, UM, WITH ENERGY OR ENERGY CONSERVATION, UM, USING SUSTAINABLE ENERGY.
SO WE HAVE SOME ELEMENTS OF A LOT OF ACTION ITEMS FROM CHRISTINA'S HERE AND AS WELL AS MELODY.
UM, SOME OF THE ARTWORK GOT A LITTLE CUT OFF, BUT THERE'S A WIND MELON THERE, UM, USING NATURAL DAY LIGHTING VERSUS RUNNING THE LIGHTS ALL DAY.
AND THEN FOR FIFTH GRADE SUSTAINABILITY, WE HAVE JAYLA MALDONADO AND ANDREA GUAMA GONZALEZ.
SO THESE TWO ARE KIND OF JUST CREATING ELEMENTS OF WHAT IS SUSTAINABILITY.
UM, WE HAVE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PLANET, CLEARLY A BEAUTIFUL PLANET ON THE RIGHT SIDE, MORE POLLUTED ONES.
SO JUST A REALLY NICE STARK MESSAGING THERE.
AND THEN ANDREA'S IS KIND OF THIS LIKE A SALVADOR DOLLY LOOKING
SO WE JUST THOUGHT THEY DID A REALLY GREAT JOB.
SO CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THESE WINNERS.
WE ALSO DID A, AN ADDITIONAL DISPLAY AT THE LIBRARY WITH THE FIRST, SECOND, AND THIRD PLACE WINNERS OF EACH GRADE.
AND, UM, THIS WENT REALLY WELL.
IT WAS THROUGH THE MONTH OF AUGUST, SO WE'RE EXCITED THAT THE LIBRARY WORKED WITH US ON THIS.
HE WAS EXCELLENT IN HELPING US, UH, MAKE THIS DISPLAY POSSIBLE SO WE CAN KIND OF JUST SEE SOME OF THE ARTWORK.
ONCE AGAIN, UM, CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYBODY.
AND THEN ON THE BIG BELLIES, WE HAVE JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE OUT IN THE FIELD.
SO I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THIS TOMORROW DURING OUR SUSTAINABILITY UPDATES, BUT WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE SIDE PANELS HAVE THE ARTWORK AND UH, IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO JUST SHARE EDUCATIONAL MESSAGING.
UM, SO JUST SOME THINGS THAT WE LEARNED.
THIS WAS OUR FIRST TIME AS A SUSTAINABILITY TEAM WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THE LOCAL SCHOOLS.
SO THANK YOU NANCY, FOR GETTING US IN.
IT'S BEEN REALLY REWARDING AND FUN TO WORK WITH THE STUDENTS.
UM, WE'VE LEARNED THAT THEY'RE VERY CREATIVE, UM, WHEN GIVEN A FUN PROJECT, UM, THEY SHOWED A LOT OF FOCUS AND INTEREST IN THIS PROJECT, AND THE STUDENTS ALREADY DO LEARN OR KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, KEEPING IT CLEAN, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING TO HEAR.
SO CONGRATULATIONS TO TEACHERS.
AND WITHOUT THESE CROSS DEPARTMENT COLLABORATIONS, UM, THIS PROJECT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL.
AND WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF OUR, UM, WEST SEDONA SCHOOL PRINCIPAL AND ART TEACHER, SARAH HORTON.
THANK YOU AGAIN SO MUCH FOR JUST JUMPING ON THIS PROJECT IDEA.
AND WE DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE IDEA OF EXPLORING MORE POSSIBILITIES OF WORKING WITH NANCY AND HER DEPARTMENT ON SUSTAINABLE ART AND EDUCATION.
SO WE, UM, WE HAVE SOME QUOTES FROM THE STUDENTS THAT ARE REALLY, UH, INTERESTING TO HEAR.
THEY WERE PROMPTED WITH THREE QUESTIONS.
WHAT DID YOU ALREADY KNOW? WHAT DID YOU LEARN? AND WHAT WAS YOUR FAVORITE PART? SO WESTIN SIEGEL SAID, I ALREADY KNEW THAT IT IS NOT GOOD TO LITTER.
ALSO THAT ANIMALS COULD THINK THE LITTER IS FOOD AND THEN THEY COULD DIE.
I LEARNED ABOUT OUR WATERWAYS IN SEDONA.
MY FAVORITE PART WAS DRAWING THE UNPOLLUTED PART ON MY POSTER.
I KNEW THAT POLLUTION IN THE WATER CAN HURT THE ANIMALS AND SOME MAY EVEN PASS AWAY.
I LEARNED IF YOU CAN LEAVE TRASH ON A TRAIL, IT IS NOT NEAR THE WATER.
A STORM CAN COME AND THE TRASH CAN STILL END UP IN THE WATER EVEN FAR AWAY.
SO MY FAVORITE PART WAS LEARNING ABOUT HOW WATER FLOWS.
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AIDEN FALSETTO, THIS IS A GOOD ONE.UM, I KNEW TO TURN OFF THE LIGHTS WHEN YOU LEAVE THE ROOM.
I LEARNED ABOUT GEOTHERMAL ENERGY.
MY FAVORITE PART OF THE PROJECT WAS I MADE AN ART INTERACTIVE.
I PUT A WHERE'S WALDO TYPE TYPE GUY AS THREE DIFFERENT STICK FIGURES.
IT WAS FUN TO DO IT AND FUN TO SEE PEOPLE LOOK FOR THE GUYS.
I KNEW NOT TO LEAVE THE LIGHTS ON WHEN I WASN'T IN THE ROOM OR LEAVE THE WATER ON.
WHEN I WAS BRUSHING MY TEETH, I LEARNED THAT WIND CAN MAKE ENERGY.
MY FAVORITE PART WAS DESIGNING AND PAINTING IT EVELYN FLORES.
I ALREADY KNEW THAT PLANTS MADE OXYGEN AND FOOD.
I LEARNED THAT IF WE CLEAN UP, THE EARTH WILL BE SO MUCH CLEANER AND IT WOULD ALSO BE GOOD FOR THE ANIMALS.
MY FAVORITE PART WAS PAINTING THE POSTER.
I KNEW IT WAS BAD TO LITTER BECAUSE IT CAN HURT ANIMALS.
I LEARNED THE ENVIRONMENT IS IMPORTANT AND MY FAVORITE PART WAS SEEING MY ART DISPLAYED AT THE LIBRARY.
OKAY, SO NOW WE HAVE TWO GUESTS.
WE HAVE TWO STUDENTS THAT VOLUNTEERED TO SPEAK ABOUT WHAT THEY LEARNED, UM, ABOUT THEIR PROJECT.
SO IF WE CAN HAVE CALLIE LEWIS.
DO YOU WANNA READ FROM YOUR PAPER OR DO YOU WANT ME TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS? I WANNA READ FROM MY PAPER.
I KNEW ALREADY THAT CLEAN AIR IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO BREATHE AND STAY HEALTHY.
IF THE AIR IS DIRTY, IT CAN MAKE PEOPLE SICK.
TWO, MY TEACHER TOLD US THAT CLEAN AIR IS WHAT HELPS US HAVE BLUE SKIES AND MAKE IT NICE TO PLAY OUTSIDE.
I LEARNED THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY, HAVING CLEAN AIR IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT HELPS EVERYONE STAY HEALTHY AND MAKES SURE THAT BE BEAUTIFUL.
NATURE AROUND US IS PROTECTED.
I ALSO LEARNED THAT THINGS LIKE CARS AND FACTORIES CAN MAKE THE AIR DIRTY.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THINGS LIKE RIDE BIKES AND RECYCLE AND PLANT AND PLANT TREES TO KEEP THE AIR CLEAN.
MY FAVORITE PART OF THE PROJECT WAS WHEN SARAH ESTRADA CAME TO OUR CLASSROOM TO TEACH US ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY.
SHE TOLD US HOW SMALL ACTIONS CAN MAKE A DIG A BIG DIFFERENCE AND KEEPING OUR AIR CLEAN.
EVEN THOUGH MY POSTER DIDN'T WIN, I HAD A LOT OF FUN DISCUSSING ABOUT PLANTING, PLANTING IT.
IT WAS EXCITING TO LEARN HOW TO USE ART TO BREAD AND IMPORTANT MESSAGE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO YEAH, WE MADE COPIES OF THEIR ARTWORK TO HAVE 'EM TAKE HOME.
AND THEN PIPER, IF YOU WANNA COME UP.
SO PIPER, UM, WHAT DID YOU ALREADY KNOW ABOUT YOUR TOPIC? SO YOU HAD, WAS IT, UM, LAND, PLANTS AND ANIMALS? I ALREADY KNEW THAT THE LAND PLANTS AND ANIMALS WERE ALL IMPORTANT TO OUR ECOSYSTEM.
AND THEN WHAT ELSE DID YOU LEARN ABOUT UM, PROTECTING THEM? THE POLLUTION IS BAD AND WE NEED TO PROTECT THEM BY RECYCLING AND JUST KEEP, UM, OUR LAND SAFE FOR ALL THE ANIMALS.
AND THEN WHAT WAS YOUR FAVORITE PART ABOUT THE PROJECT? DESIGNING AND PAINTING MY OWN POSTER.
NEXT STEPS, OBVIOUSLY CONTINUE TO COLLABORATE WITH NANCY AND THE SCHOOLS.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO GET IN WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL.
I, YES, THANK YOU EVERYBODY THAT WAS INVOLVED.
HOPE TO SEE YOU AGAIN SOON WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
[3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE]
OKAY, ITEM UH, THREE.WE CONSENT ITEMS. WE HAVE, UH, ITEM A TO E.
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STAFF.THE PUBLIC OR COUNCIL CAN PULL ANY OF THE ITEMS. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING OF ANY INTEREST, UH, FOR THAT.
SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, A THROUGH EI MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS A THROUGH E.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS]
NONE.SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY THE MYSELF, THE COUNCIL OF CITY MANAGER, OR ON THE COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS.
BRIAN, FIRST WE'LL LOOK OUR WAY DOWN.
I HAVE TWO ITEMS. UM, THE NORTHERN ARIZONA COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, UH, NACOG AT OUR MOST RECENT REGIONAL COUNCIL MEETING, UH, DID APPROVE FOR THE, UH, FOR NACOG TO LEAD A VERDE VALLEY WIDE REGIONAL, UH, TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PROCESS KICKING OFF.
NOW, WE'LL LIKELY GO UPWARDS OF TWO YEARS AND BE AN EXTENDED 10 YEAR TYPE RANGE OF, UH, PLANNING ACTIVITY.
ADDITIONALLY, THEY MENTIONED AT THE TIME THAT, UM, JUST DUE TO SOME RESTRUCTURING OF, UH, ROLES, RESPONSIBILITIES, ET CETERA, THAT NAAG IS EXPECTING TO HAVE MORE TIME TO FOCUS ON THE VERDE VALLEY, UH, IN THE UPCOMING, UH, SEASONS.
SO WE'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
THE, UH, SECOND ITEM IS THAT THE, UH, MAYOR AND I RECENTLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK INFORMALLY WITH, UH, DAVE CHENEY, THE CEO OF NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE, UH, LOOSELY ABOUT JUST WHAT TYPE OF, UH, USE THEY MAY HAVE IN MIND FOR THE LAND THAT THEY OWN ADJACENT TO THE EMERGENCY CENTER.
AND, UH, OUR DESIRE TO SPEAK WITH THEM ABOUT THAT AND FURTHER EXPLORE THAT, WHICH WE WOULD EXPECT TO BE COVERED IN THE MEETING.
IN WHICH, UH, UH, THEY'LL BE COMING IN FRONT OF US IN WHAT I THINK NOVEMBER I BELIEVE.
OR IS IT OCTOBER? I DON'T KNOW.
SO MINE IS ABOUT A RESERVE THE DATE.
SO THE 22ND OF NOVEMBER, 2024.
VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS ANNUAL FUNDRAISING EVENT.
THE BLACK AND WHITE GALA, ALL OF THE SIXTIES WILL BE HELD FROM FIVE TO 9:00 PM AT THE ENCHANTMENT ANASAZI BALLROOM.
SO, OKAY, I HAD TO LOOK THIS ONE UP, UM, 'CAUSE IT WAS SLIGHTLY BEFORE MY TIME, BUT THE BLACK AND WHITE BALL WAS A MASQUERADE BALL HELD ON THE 26TH OF NOVEMBER, 1966 AT THE PLAZA HOTEL HOSTED BY TRUMAN CAPOTE.
I SAY I HAVE NODS OVER HERE,
UM, FOR 400, FOR 540 OF HIS CLOSEST FRIENDS WHERE THE MAN, ALL THE MEN WERE DRESSED IN FORMAL BLACK ATTIRE AND THE WOMEN WERE ALL DRESSED IN WHITE BALLGOWNS.
UM, THIS IS 2024, SO I SAY LET'S MIX IT UP.
IN 2023, VVCC PROVIDED SERVICES FOR OVER 3,900 OF OUR NEIGHBORS, 1300 OF WHICH LIVE ALONE AND MANY OTHERS WITH A SPOUSE ACTING AS THE CAREGIVER.
VVCC ALSO PROVIDED 18,654 LOCAL TRIPS FOR GROCERIES, MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS, MONTHLY SOCIAL GATHERINGS, AS WELL AS 14,135 LONG DISTANT TRIPS FOR MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS.
IN FACT, REQUESTS FOR THESE MEDICAL TRIPS HAVE DRAMATICALLY INCREASED FROM 25 TRIPS PER WEEK TO OVER 40 OUT OF TOWN TRIPS PER WEEK.
THANKFULLY, VVCC HAS JUST RECEIVED A 10 PASSENGER VAN FROM ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO HELP GET OUR NEIGHBORS TO THEIR HEALTH APPOINTMENTS, WHETHER THEY'RE LOCAL OR THEY'RE OUT OF TOWN.
THERE ARE 187 ACTIVE VOLUNTEERS AND THEY ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MORE STIPEND DRIVERS.
THERE WILL BE BOTH A SILENT AND AN ACTIVE AUCTION, AND THEY WOULD LOVE DONATIONS OF GIFT BASKETS, GIFT CARDS, CERTIFICATES FOR SHOPPING, DINING, PERSONAL SERVICES, AND GOLFING FAVORITES HAVE ALSO INCLUDED WAYS TO VISIT SEDONA, LIKE JEEP HELICOPTER AND OTHER TOURS, ARTWORK, JEWELRY, PRIVATE CATER DINNERS, TRAVEL PACKAGES AND OTHER EXPERIENCES ARE ALSO EXTREMELY POPULAR.
THE TICKETS ARE $150 PER PERSON, OR YOU CAN ACTUALLY PURCHASE A TABLE AND BRING ALL YOUR FRIENDS OR SOME OF THEM IN, IN SOME PEOPLE'S CASES, THEY'D BE ALL MY FRIENDS AND OR BUSINESS ASSOCIATES.
YOU CAN RESERVE TICKETS OR A TABLE BY VISITING THE GALA WEBPAGE AT DUB DUB DUB
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DOT VV CAREGIVERS.ORG OR CALLING 9 2 8 2 0 4 1 2 3 8 OR SENDING EMAIL TO LINDACLARK@VVCAREGIVERS.ORG.THIS IS A FUN EVENT FOR A GREAT LOCAL CHARITY FOCUSING ON HELPING MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AT ENCHANTMENT ON THE 22ND OF NOVEMBER.
UH, MY, UH, UPDATE HAS TO DO WITH SISTER CITIES ASSOCIATION.
WE RECENTLY TOOK A TRIP TO SLO POLAND AND UNFORTUNATELY I REALLY WANTED TO GO.
BUT IT CONFLICTED WITH THE ARIZONA LEAGUE, CITIES AND TOWNS ANNUAL CONFERENCE.
UH, THEY WERE WELCOMED BY THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
UH, THEY HAD A CHANCE TO, UH, LOOK AT THE HISTORY, THE EDUCATION CULTURE OF SLO AND SLO IS VERY INTERESTED IN BECOMING A SISTER CITY TO SEDONA.
SO THEY ARE GOING TO BE MAKING A PRESENTATION IN THE NEXT UPCOMING MONTHS, UH, REQUESTING COUNSEL.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, ON FRIDAY OF THIS WEEK AT 8:30 AM THERE WILL BE A FILM OF ABOUT 45 MINUTES AT THE MARY FISHER THEATER, WHICH IS FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC THAT COMMEMORATES, UH, THEIR WORLD WAR II, THE DESTRUCTION OF THEIR CITY AND DURING WORLD WAR II, UH, AND THE REBIRTH OF THAT CITY.
SO ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND IS WELCOME TO ATTEND AND THERE WILL BE POLISH PASTRIES AND COFFEE BEING SERVED.
ALRIGHT, JESSICA, YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO.
UH, TODAY, UH, THE, UH, CITY MANAGER AND I ATTENDED A VERY, VERY INSIGHTFUL MEETING, UH, IN COTTONWOOD WHERE THE, UH, DISTRICT TWO AND DISTRICT THREE COUNTY SUPERVISORS ATTENDED, ALONG WITH ALL THE MAYORS AND MANAGERS, UM, YEAH, ALL THE MAYORS AND MANAGERS IN THE VERDE VALLEY, UH, TO DISCUSS DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND AS, UH, BRIAN SAID THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ACOG PROJECTS.
UH, ANNETTE HAD, UH, TAKEN SOME NOTES.
SO IF YOU WANNA JUST, UH, UPDATE US ON SOME OF THE FINAL POINTS OF THE MEETING, I'D APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, COUNSEL, ANNETTE SWICKER, CITY MANAGER.
UM, YES, SO AT THE, UH, MEETING THIS MORNING, UM, OUR STATE SENATOR KEN BENNETT WAS THERE IN STATE REPRESENTATIVES, SELENA BLISS AND ONG WYNN.
UM, ALSO IN ATTENDANCE WAS JUDY SOP REPRESENTING, REPRESENTING SENATOR MARK KELLY'S OFFICE, UM, TO THE VERDE VALLEY, UM, MASTER TRANSPORTATION STUDY.
UM, AS, UH, BRIAN MENTIONED, THAT IS KICKING OFF.
UM, IT'S AN 18 MONTH PROCESS, UM, THAT WILL FOCUS ON CREATING REGIONAL PRIORITIES.
UM, AND THEY WILL CREATE A TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL, UM, WITH A FIVE YEAR, 15 YEAR, AND 20 YEAR PLUS PLANNING HORIZON.
UM, AND SO SAFETY IS THEIR FOCUS.
UM, AND THEY'LL BE WORKING WITH ALL THE JURISDICTIONS TO IDENTIFY FIVE TO 10 PROJECTS THAT EVERYONE CAN AGREE ON ARE PRIORITIES.
AND THEN
UM, THEY, UH, THE COUNTY, UH, MENTIONED THE DISPATCH, UM, CENTER CONSOLIDATION PROJECT, UH, OF WHICH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS PARTICIPATED AND PROVIDED INFORMATION TO THEIR CONSULTANT.
THEY'RE ANTICIPATING, UM, THAT REPORT COMING OUT SOMETIME IN OCTOBER WITH RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNTY SUPERVISORS ABOUT, UM, WHETHER TO CONSOLIDATE AND WHICH ONES AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE, UM, THEY MAINLY TALKED ABOUT A REFLECTION ON, UM, UH, THE BUDGET SITUATION OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA.
AND THE TAKEAWAY I HAD FROM THAT IS THAT A LOT OF THE BUDGET REDUCTIONS AND ADJUSTMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY THE STATE THIS PAST SESSION, UM, THEY FELT WERE ONE-TIME ADJUSTMENTS, ONE-TIME FUNDS, AND DIDN'T AFFECT CORE SERVICES AS MUCH.
UM, AND THEY'RE THINKING THAT ALL OF THAT IS KIND OF SETTLED DOWN AND IT WON'T BE AS DRAMATIC OF A BUDGET YEAR THIS UPCOMING YEAR.
UM, THEY ALSO SAID IT'S REALLY UNKNOWN HOW THE STATE LEGISLATURE WILL LOOK BECAUSE DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOMES OF THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS, THERE MAY BE A TIE IN THE SENATE BETWEEN THE REPUBLICANS AND
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DEMOCRATS.UM, SO THAT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR THEIR THOUGHTS ON ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD JUST, UH, UH, NOTE IS THAT ON THE BALLOT, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PROPOSITIONS.
UM, AND THE INTERESTING THING IS THEY'RE BOTH PROPOSITION 4 79, SO THERE'S TWO OF THOSE.
UM, ONE IS PROP 4 79 MARICOPA COUNTY, AND THAT'S THE VOTERS BEING ASKED WHETHER THEY WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THE COUNTY, BE ABLE TO, UM, LEVY THEIR OWN STREETS TAX.
AND OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION POINTED OUT WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR AREA IS BECAUSE, UM, IF THEY'RE UNABLE TO RAISE THOSE FUNDS FOR STREET PROJECTS IN THE PHOENIX AREA, THEY WILL TAKE OUR FUNDING
UH, AND THEN THE OTHER PROP 4 79 IS A YAVAPAI COUNTY MEASURE, WHICH IS THEIR REQUEST TO THE LOCAL VOTERS ABOUT, UM, THEIR EXPENDITURE LIMIT AND THEIR BUDGET.
UM, SO I THINK I WILL JUST STOP THERE.
OH, THE OTHER INTERESTING THING I HEARD WAS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING ON, UH, TRYING TO CREATE A REGIONAL HAZMAT TEAM.
THE LOCAL, THE CLOSEST HAZMAT TEAM FOR US IS BETWEEN ONE AND A HALF AND TWO HOURS AWAY.
AND THERE IS A LOT OF, UM, DANGEROUS, UH, PRODUCTS THAT TRAVEL ON THE 17, THE TWO 60, THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND SO THEY PULL, THAT'S A BIG PRIORITY TO GET A HAZMAT, UM, TEAM AND EQUIPMENT IN THIS AREA.
THAT COVERED IT WAY BETTER THAN I DID, SO THANK YOU.
UH, YES, VICE MAYOR, I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT COCONINO COUNTY HAS THE SAME, IT'S NOT 4 79, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A PROPOSITION TO INCREASE THEIR EXPENDITURE LIMITATION AS WELL FOR COCONINO COUNTY VOTERS.
AND I JUST WANT TO END WITH A REMINDER TOMORROW, TOMORROW IS SEPTEMBER 11TH AND AT FIRE STATION NUMBER SIX ON 1 79, UH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, EIGHT 20 THOUGH THEY WILL BE KICKING OFF, UH, THEIR CEREMONY.
SO I WOULD ADVISE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO FIND A PLACE TO PARK, 'CAUSE IT USUALLY FILLS UP TO ARRIVE BETWEEN A QUARTER TO EIGHT, UH, OR EIGHT O'CLOCK.
UM, AND I HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE FOR SEPTEMBER 11TH.
UM, THE MEMORIAL FOR SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT.
UH, DO WE HAVE CARDS? NO CARDS.
[7. PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS & AWARDS]
WE HAVE ONE.VALERIE? YES, WE ARE HERE FOR YOU.
HAVE JUST COME UP TO THE PODIUM IF YOU'D LIKE.
THIS PRO, UH, PROCLAMATION IS FOR THE CONSTITUTION WEEK.
SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH 23RD, 2024.
WHEREAS SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2024 MARKS THE 237TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE DRAFTING OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BY THE CONSTITUTION CONVENTION.
AND WHEREAS IT IS FITTING AND PROPER TO OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZE THIS MAGNIFI MAGNIFICENT DOCUMENT AND THE ANNIVERSARY OF ITS CREATION, AND WHEREAS IT IS FITTING AND PROPER TO, I JUST SAID THAT NO, IT'S FITTING AND PROPER, UH, TO OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZE THE PATRIOTIC CELEBRATIONS THAT WILL COMMEMORATE THE OCCASION.
AND WHEREAS PUBLIC LAW NINE 15 GUARANTEES THE ISSUING OF A PROCLAMATION EACH YEAR BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, DESIGNATING SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH 23RD AS CONSTITUTION WEEK.
NOW, THEREFORE, I SCOTT BLO, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 17TH TO 23RD TO BE CONSTITUTION WEEK IN SEDONA, ARIZONA, AND ASK OUR ASSISTANCE TO REAFFIRM THE IDEALS, UH, THE FARMER, THE FRAMERS, AND THE CONSTITUTION HAD IN 1787, ISSUED THE 10TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2024.
DO I GET TO SAY A FEW WORDS? CERTAINLY DO
I'M CURRENTLY SERVING AS REGENT OF THE OAK CREEK CHAPTER OF THE N-S-D-A-R.
AND SOMEONE ASKED ME, WHAT'S THE N-S-D-A-R? THAT'S THE NATIONAL SOCIETY OF DAUGHTERS OF THE
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AMERICAN REVOLUTION.AND I HOPE THAT YOU'LL ALL JOIN US AT THE LIBRARY STARTING NEXT TUESDAY.
UH, OUR CONSTITUTION WEEK CHAIRMAN ROBERTA RUST, WILL BE SETTING UP A DISPLAY FOR CONSTITUTION WEEK AND TUESDAY AT 1:00 PM WE'LL BE RINGING OUR BELLS TO COMMEMORATE THE SIGNING OF THE CONSTITUTION.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? NOPE, WE'RE GOOD.
[8.a. AB 3110 Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) funding reallocation; approval of Resolution to submit new application for FY23 CDBG funds to Arizona Dept. of Housing for a Home Repair Program in partnership with Verde Valley Habitat for Humanity also authorizing City Manager to sign application and execute contract(s) subject to approval by City Attorney; and approval of separate Resolution to approve Home Repair Guidelines for FY2023 CBDG funding.]
OKAY.REGULAR BUSINESS ITEM EIGHT, A AB 31 10 PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, CDBG FUNDING ALLOCATION, APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION TO SUBMIT A NEW APPLICATION FOR FY 23, UH, CDBG FUNDS TO ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING, UH, FOR A HOME REPAIR, UH, PROGRAM IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE VERDE VALLEY HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.
ALSO AUTHORIZING THE CITY OF MARRIAGE TO SIGN APPLICATION AND EXECUTE CONTRACTS SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE CITY ATTORNEY AND APPROVAL, UH, OF SEPARATE RESOLUTION TO APPROVE HOME REPAIR GUIDELINES FOR FY 23 AND ON THE CBDG FUNDING.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UM, JEANNIE FRIEDER, INTERIM HOUSING MANAGER, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, SO TODAY WE ARE HERE TO, UH, TALK ABOUT, AS THE MAYOR JUST SAID, THE CDBG REALLOCATION FUNDING.
THIS IS REALLY, UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE HUD AND CDBG RULES, AND IT'S REALLY A CONTINUATION OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HELD WITH CITY COUNCIL IN CHAMBERS ON AUGUST 14TH, UM, WHERE COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO, UH, REALLOCATE TO PERFORM REALLOCATION ACTIVITIES, UM, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 23 CDBG FUNDING FOR IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE VERDE VALLEY HABITAT FOR HUMANITIES HOME REPAIR PROGRAM.
SO TODAY WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WE A FEW THINGS, RIGHT? UM, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU SOME BRIEF COMMENTS.
UH, WE ARE REQUESTING THREE THINGS FROM CITY COUNCIL, WHICH THE MAYOR, UM, JUST TALKED ABOUT, UH, REQUESTING THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZATION TO SUBMIT A NEW APPLICATION TO THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING TO RECEIVE FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF $402,110.
UM, ALSO TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE APPLICATION AND CONTRACT DOCUMENTS, UM, AT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S APPROVAL AND TO ADOPT THE OWNER OCCUPIED HOUSING REPAIR GUIDELINES THAT YOU ALL HAVE IN YOUR PACKETS.
AND, UH, THE PUBLIC CAN REVIEW THOSE GUIDELINES ON THE CITY WEBSITE.
UM, SO TODAY WE ARE JOINED REMOTELY BY ISABEL ROLLINS, AND SHE IS FROM THE NORTHERN ARIZONA COUNCIL ON GOVERNMENT, UH, ALSO KNOWN AS OG.
AND SHE WILL BE, UM, AN AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNSEL OR ANYBODY MIGHT HAVE.
AND WE ARE GOING TO BE TREATED TO A BRIEF PRESENTATION BY TANYA SIMS, WHO IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE VERDE VALLEY HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, WHICH WILL GIVE US A SHORT PRESENTATION, UH, ON HER ORGANIZATION AND ALSO ON THE HOME REPAIR PROGRAM THAT IS DESIGNED TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES SAFELY.
SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT HER PRESENTATION AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THAT.
AND WITH THAT, I PASS IT ALONG TO TANYA.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR JALO AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, I HOPE TO MEET YOU IN PERSON, MS. DUNN.
I HAVE NOT MET YOU PERSONALLY, SO I'M EXCITED AND HAPPY TO BE HERE.
IT WAS, IT WAS NICE TO RECEIVE A PHONE CALL FROM JEANIE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
UM, VERY ALWAYS VERY EXCITED WHEN WE CAN, UH, DO MORE TO SERVE OUR CURRENT HOMEOWNERS AND OUR COMMUNITIES.
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A LOT OF REPETITION FOR, JUST TO REMIND YOU OF WHO WE ARE.OH, YOU HAD TO PUSH THIS BUTTON.
I DON'T, WE'RE AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS BEEN IN THE VERDE VALLEY FOR OVER 29 YEARS.
UM, SO I'M NOT GONNA BE REPETITIVE BECAUSE I THINK MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THIS ROOM HAVE HEARD WHO WE ARE HAVE BEEN HERE TO PRESENT IN THE PAST.
AND, UH, WE ARE AN AFFILIATE OF A LARGE PARENT ORGANIZATION, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY INTERNATIONAL.
AND IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE SERVE OUR, WE SERVE OUR COMMUNITY BY BUILDING HOMES.
WE ALSO BUY FORECLOSURES, WE REMODEL AND HOUSE FAMILIES.
AND WE'VE DONE A WHOLE LOT OF CRITICAL HOME REPAIRS.
WE'VE STARTED THAT PROGRAM OVER SEVEN YEARS AGO, AND WE'RE VERY PROUD THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY, UM, JUST BY PROVIDING HEALTH AND HEALTH, IMPROVED HEALTH AND SAFETY ENVIRONMENTS FOR THEIR HOMES.
WE, I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THAT WE ARE LIVING IN A HOUSING CRISIS.
IT'S HERE LOCALLY, IT'S IN ARIZONA, IT'S ACROSS THE, THE UNITED STATES.
AND, UM, INTERESTINGLY, IT'S EVEN IN OTHER COUNTRIES.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HOMES, AFFORDABLE HOMES TO HOUSE THE, UH, LOCAL, UH, RESIDENTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, ACROSS THE VERDE VALLEY.
AND WE ALSO HAVE HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE LIVING ON VERY, VERY MODEST INCOMES, VERY LOW AND REDUCED INCOMES, BUT THEY DO HAVE A PROPERTY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN AND WE WANNA KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR PROPERTIES.
WE DON'T HAVE PLACES FOR OUR, FOR MANY OF OUR SENIORS TO, TO MOVE OUT OF OR MOVE INTO.
AND SO, UM, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ALSO, UH, RETAIN THE CURRENT PROPERTY INVENTORY THAT WE HAVE.
AND IF WE CAN DO THAT IN A WAY THAT, UH, CREATES HEALTH AND SAFETY, AM I DOING THAT HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR THEM? THEN WE'RE ALSO, UM, HELPING TO KEEP THEM OUT OF OUR, OR, WELL, NOT HELPING TO KEEP, BUT WE ARE ELIMINATING SOME OF THE HEALTH, HEALTH EXPENSES THAT THEY HAVE BY HAVING TO CALL, UH, OR GO TO THE HOSPITAL.
WHAT THE CDBG FUNDS WILL DO IS, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PARTNER OUR PROGRAM WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDS AND ALSO YOUR PROGRAM, THE WHETHER, UH, THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PROGRAM.
AND I FEEL THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT SEDONA HOMEOWNERS BY PROVIDING A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF HOME REPAIRS.
WITH CDBG, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THINGS LIKE ROOF REPLACEMENTS, MAJOR ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING REPAIRS, HEATING AND COOLING REPLACEMENTS.
UM, AND THEY ALSO, WE CAN ALSO DO MODULAR HOME RELEVELING THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.
AND IT'S INTERESTING HOW MANY APPLICANTS WHO CALL US ALREADY, AND THEY'VE RECEIVED, THEY HAVE WATER DAMAGE.
SO IT USUALLY STARTS OUT WITH MAYBE A LEAK IN THEIR ROOF AND THEY CAN'T REPAIR IT, THEN IT ENDS UP BEING A LEAK IN THEIR CEILING AND THEN SOMETIMES A LEAK IN THE, UH, FLOOR.
WE'VE GONE OUT TO REPAIR ALL THREE BECAUSE IT STARTED OUT AS THIS MINOR LEAK THAT THEY'VE HAD.
UH, THE GOALS FOR CDBG ARE TO BENEFIT LOW TO MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.
AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE SPECIFIC, UM, INCOME GUIDELINES WE HAVE, WHAT THE INCOME GUIDELINES ARE, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
AND WE ARE PROMOTING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SAFE, DECENT, AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN SEDONA.
UH, THE PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO ASSIST LOW INCOME TO MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.
AND AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, WE WANNA IMPROVE AND PRESERVE THE QUALITY AND FUNCTIONALITY OF THE HOUSING STOCK THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
AND WE'RE REALLY, WE AS AN ORGANIZATION ARE REALLY GOOD ABOUT COLLABORATING, COLLABORATING AND PARTNERING WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
THE APPLICANTS, UH, MUST HAVE, UH, OR B AT AN INCOME LEVEL OF 80% OF YAVAPAI MEDIAN INCOME OR BELOW.
THEY MUST BE, UH, THE OWNER PRIMARY, UH, OCCUPANT OWNER OF THE RESIDENCE.
THEY HAVE TO BE CURRENT ON MORTGAGE PAYMENTS IF THEY HAVE THEM CURRENT ON PROPERTY TAXES AND THEIR INSURANCE.
AND THE MAXIMUM ASSISTANCE PER HOUSEHOLD WILL BE ABOUT $30,000.
WHAT HABITAT'S GOAL OR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, WHAT OUR ROLE IS, IS THAT WE WILL BE DOING THE MARKETING AND ADVERTISING.
WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, PARTNERSHIPS AND
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RELATIONSHIPS WITH NONPROFITS LOCALLY.AND SO WHAT I DO IS I GO MEET WITH THEM AND I OFTEN MEET WITH THE VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE ACTUALLY THE PEOPLE WORKING WITH, UM, WHOEVER THEIR CLIENTS ARE AND, UH, TELL THEM ABOUT THE PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY'RE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MEETING THE PEOPLE OR OFTENTIMES SEEING THE PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES.
AND THEY'RE, THEY HAVE THE RELATIONSHIPS.
SO THE VOLUNTEERS HELP US GET THE WORD OUT.
YOU KNOW, THE BEST TYPE OF ADVERTISING IS WORD OF MOUTH.
I THINK THAT'S BEEN PROVEN OVER AND OVER.
SO WE MARKET AND ADVERTISE TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
WE'LL ALSO BE, UH, WORKING WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA TO DO SOME ADVERTISING AND MARKETING.
UH, APPLICANTS WILL CALL US AT, UM, OUR OFFICES IN COTTONWOOD.
WE WILL HELP PRE-QUALIFY THEM, AND WE WILL HELP THEM COMPLETE THEIR APPLICATION.
AND THEN WE WILL FORWARD IT ON TO CDBG.
UM, AND BY US BEING THE, THE MIDDLE PERSON AND RECEIVING THE APPLICATIONS AND THE PHONE CALLS, WE CAN ALSO DETERMINE IF IT'S, UM, A GOOD PRO IF WHATEVER THE OTHER NEEDS ARE.
AND, AND WE CAN FILL IN SOME RESOURCES THAT THEY MAY HAVE.
WE CAN SEE IF THERE'S A, A WAY, A PLACE FOR US IN THEIR HOME REPAIR.
UH, SAY THEY NEED A, MAYBE WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO NEEDS A WHEELCHAIR RAMP.
WE BUILD A LOT OF WHEELCHAIR RAMPS.
AND THAT WAY WE'RE PRESERVING THE FUNDS THAT THEY NEED TO DO THE MAJOR REPAIRS FOR THEIR HOMES.
SO WE DO A LOT OF COLLABORATION AND PARTNERSHIPS SO THAT WE CAN EXPAND OR I GUESS INCREASE THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE FOR EACH OF THE APPLICANTS.
UH, AND UNTIL YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, THAT'S IT FOR ME.
PLEASE EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN, UM, THIS PROGRAM AND YOUR ORGANIZATION AND THE WEATHERIZATION THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.
UM, THE RELATIONSHIP IS THAT WE DO HAVE SOME CROSSOVERS FOR SOME OF THE RESOURCES OR SOME OF THE, UM, REPAIRS THAT WE CAN DO.
BUT OFTENTIMES WE HAVE FOLKS WHO CALL AND THEY HAVE BIG REPAIR NEEDS.
OUR PROGRAM DOES NOT PROVIDE THE FUNDING OR DOES NOT HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO BIG REPAIR NEEDS.
IF WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO NEEDS A HEATING AND COOLING UNIT REPLACEMENT, THOSE FOR AN AVERAGE SIZE HOME ARE JUST UNDER $10,000.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO SPEND AT THAT $10,000 FOR ONE HOMEOWNER.
SO IF WE COMPARE OTHER PROGRAMS AND FINANCIAL RESOURCES, WE CAN DO SOME OF THE SMALLER REPAIRS AND WE CAN PRESERVE THE LARGER DOLLAR, UM, REPAIRS FOR PROGRAMS LIKE CDBG.
AND THE CDBG IS UP TO $30,000.
SO WHEN YOU SAY WE DON'T HAVE FUNDS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HABITAT.
WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING FOR ONE.
I THINK IT HAS A POTENTIAL REALLY TO HELP MANY OF OUR LOWER INCOME RESIDENTS IN, IN SEDONA.
HAPPY TO, UH, SEE THIS PROGRAM MOVE FORWARD.
QUESTION I HAVE REALLY IS ABOUT, UH, SECURITY.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME SECURITY, MEANING SECURITY OF THE AGREEMENT,
DO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THAT INTO THE DEED AT ALL? IS THERE A, A, UM, SOME TYPE OF WAY TO RECORD THE AGREEMENT WITH THESE PROPERTIES? I THINK THAT'S AN SO, SO ISABEL ROLLINS FROM NAG WOULD BE, UH, WELL SUITED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COUNSELOR.
ISABELLE
OH, THERE, SHE'S, THERE WE GO.
CAN YOU HEAR ME, ALEX? THERE WE GO.
CAN YOU NOW, SO, UM, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE THE FOURTH TIME THAT WE'VE USED CD FUNDS, UM, IN SEDONA FOR HOUSING REHABILITATION OR REPAIR.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE THE THIRD TIME THAT WE'VE CAME WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.
UM, ON OUR PRIOR SEDONA HOUSING REHAB PROJECTS, THEY WERE MUCH LARGER AMOUNTS.
WE DID, UM, ACTUAL MOBILE HOME REPLACEMENT AND MORE TOTAL HOME REHAB BEFORE.
THIS IS, THESE ARE SMALLER GRANTS
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AND, UM, ACTUALLY WE CHOSE NOT TO DO LIENS LIKE WE DID ON THE OTHER PROJECTS, UM, FOR, FOR VARIOUS REASONS, PRIMARILY TO, TO SAVE TIME AND MONEYAND ON THE LARGER PROJECTS, WE GENERALLY HAVE 10 OR 15 YEAR LIENS WHERE THERE'S A MUCH GREATER CHANCE THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT BE SELLING THEIR HOME OR, OR MAKING A CHANGE.
UM, WITH THE, THE SMALLER GRANTS, WHICH WOULD RE REQUIRE A A FIVE YEAR COMMITMENT.
IT JUST DOESN'T REALLY COME, EXCUSE ME.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, AND YOU WANTED TO PUT LIENS ON THE HOME, THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO.
BUT IT, IT WILL REALLY TAKE MORE TIME AND MONEY AND POTENTIALLY DISCOURAGE SOME PEOPLE FROM PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM.
IT REALLY HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE, UM, WITH OUR SMALLER PROJECTS OF, OF PEOPLE WANTING TO SELL THEIR HOME OR LEAVE OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO IN MY OPINION, IT IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I'M CURIOUS, UH, IF YOU COULD ADDRESS, YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE PREVIOUS PROGRAM'S LARGER DOLLARS.
WHAT WAS THE TIMEFRAME OF THAT PERIOD? UM, WHAT YEARS WERE THOSE GRANTS? CORRECT.
UH, 2007 WE DID THE MOBILE HOME REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.
AND THEN IN, UH, 2011 AND 2015 WE DID HOUSING, HOUSING, REHABILITATION.
I DON'T RECALL WHAT THE LIMITS WERE, BUT THEY WERE PROBABLY MORE LIKE 60,000.
LOTS OF THINGS IN THE WORLD HAVE CHANGED AND REAL ESTATE PRESSURE HAS CHANGED IN SEDONA OVER THOSE TIMES.
AND SECURITY OF THOSE PAST GRANTS MIGHT BE ONE ISSUE.
THERE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FORCES AT PLAY HERE.
IS THERE POTENTIALLY A ROLE THAT THE CITY COULD PLAY IN ESTABLISHING, UH, LIENS ON THE PROPERTIES? UM, WELL, I, I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IT FIGURED OUT UPFRONT SO EVERYTHING COULD BE PRESENTED TO THE HOMEOWNER AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE, PART OF THE PROGRAM.
ANOTHER THING YOU COULD DO IF YOU'RE JUST CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE AREN'T, UM, STICKING TO THEIR AGREEMENT BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE TO SIGN CERTIFICATIONS, YOU KNOW, REGARDING STAYING IN THE HOME.
AND WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT IT BEFOREHAND.
BUT I MEAN, YOU CAN ALWAYS CHECK IN WITH THE HOMEOWNERS FROM TIME TO TIME.
UM, ARE YOU, ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LEAVE OR WHAT'S THE CONCERN? THAT IS MY CONCERN, MISS OUR POPULATION IS DECLINING AND I THINK PEOPLE ARE MOTIVATED TO, UH, CAPTURE, UH, INFLATED REAL ESTATE VALUES AND, AND LEAVE TOWN.
AND, AND I, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN, IN GIVING PEOPLE, UM, UPGRADES THAT INCREASES THE VALUE OF THEIR HOUSE AND THEY CAN GET OUT.
BUT THE ENFORCEMENT OF THAT CERTIFICATION IS A INTERESTING TOPIC IN MY MIND.
UH, IS THIS SIMILAR TO WHAT I KNOW SOME OF OUR CITY STAFF AND MYSELF HELPED A COUPLE YEARS AGO DOING DECKS AND A SIMILAR KIND OF PROGRAM? WAS IT MORE ADVANCED? CDBG IS A BIT MORE ADVANCED BECAUSE OF THE DOLLAR LEVEL THAT WE CAN INVEST IN EACH HOMEOWNER'S HOME.
WHAT YOU DID WAS PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, WHAT WAS PART OF OUR HOME REPAIR PROGRAM.
THAT IT, IT WAS REALLY VERY REWARDING TO BE PART OF THAT PROGRAM.
I CAN IMAGINE HOW THE PROPERTY OWNERS WILL FEEL AFTER THEY TAKE BENEFIT OF THIS AS WELL.
I, I SHARE THE SAME CONCERNS AS COUNCILOR FURMAN.
AND SO I'M, I SAW THAT THE HOMEOWNER HAS TO CERTIFY THAT THEY'LL LIVE IN THE HOUSE FOR FIVE YEARS, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE CONTRACT.
SO MY QUESTION IS HOW ENFORCEABLE IS THAT AND WHO DOES THE ENFORCEMENT, IF YOU FIND THAT THEY'VE BROKEN THAT AGREEMENT? ISABELLE, THAT'S YOUR QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, IT HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE, UM, ON, ON A LOT OF THE GRANTS.
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SO THAT IF THE PROPERTY CHANGES OWNERSHIP, I, I MEAN, WE'RE NOTIFIED RIGHT AWAY, BUT, UM, I CAN'T, I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF CIR CIRCUMSTANCES WITH THE, UH, WITH THE SMALLER GRANTS WHERE THAT'S HAPPENED.SO I, I MEAN, IF, IF YOU REALLY, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT, THAT ASSURANCE, THAT LIE SO THAT NOBODY CAN SELL THEIR HOME WITHIN FIVE YEARS, THAT'S AN ADJUSTMENT THAT WE CAN MAKE.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY FEEL THAT IT'S, IT IS BEEN A BIG ISSUE.
UM, IT, I THINK IT IS MORE IMPORTANT ON THE, THE LARGER GRANTS WHEN YOU'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, TOTAL HOME REHAB, DO WE? BUT IT IS, IT IS YOUR DECISION.
UH, ANNETTE, YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN? THANK YOU MAYOR BLO COUNSEL.
UM, I WAS CURIOUS IF THE LIEN, UM, WOULD TRULY PREVENT SOMEONE FROM SELLING THEIR HOME, OR WOULD IT NOT JUST SAY THAT THEY NEED TO REPAY THE FUNDS BACK IF THEY DO NOT COMPLETE THE FIVE YEAR COMMITMENT? 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM SELLING THEIR HOMES NECESSARILY, BUT IF THEY WERE TO, OR PASS AWAY, OR IT GOES ON TO A BENEFICIARY THAT, UM, THAT THE PROGRAM IS JUST MADE WHOLE, I GUESS THE LEASE ARE RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY, SO YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE LIEN ON IT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, PAYING OFF WHATEVER'S DUE.
AND THAT, YOU GOOD? DID THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION, KATHY? YES.
UH, BEFORE YOU STATED THAT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE EXPENSE OF FILING THE LIEN, THAT WAS WHAT, UM, DISCOURAGED YOU FROM MAKING THAT A PART OF THIS PROGRAM? WHAT WOULD THAT EXPENSE BE AND WOULD IT COME OUT OF THE PROCEEDS OF THE CBDG GRANT? MM-HMM.
I MEAN, IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S EXTRA PAPERWORK THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, SIGNED AND NOTARIZED AND RECORDED AT THE COUNTY.
AND, UM, AND THEN THE, THE CITY WILL NEED TO STAY ON TOP OF IT, SO, SO THAT THE LIENS ARE RELEASED, UM, FIVE YEARS AFTER IT'S DONE.
UH, IT, YOU KNOW, IT JUST ADDS A BIT MORE ADMINISTRATION.
BUT HOW MUCH DO YOU ESTIMATE THE COST OF THAT IS THOUGH? OH BOY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS, COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE TO THE AMOUNT OF THE GRANTS.
UM, MAYBE A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS PER O OVERALL.
SO NOT PER GRANT, THE CITY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL JUST ALSO, YOU'LL NEED TO KEEP ALL, ALL KEEP THE FILES AND JUST BE AWARE OF THE, THAT THE LIENS NEED TO BE RELEASED DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, SIX OR SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW.
SO THERE'LL BE A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT ON THE CITY THERE TOO.
I HAVE A QUESTION, ANOTHER QUESTION.
WOULD THESE BE DECLINING LEADS? SO AFTER FIVE YEARS, FOUR YEARS, IT WOULD DECLINE THREE YEARS, IT WOULD DECLINE TWO YEARS, IT WOULD DECLINE? YEAH, GENERALLY THEY'RE, UM, WRITTEN OFF PROPORTIONATELY.
SO 20 20% A YEAR WOULD BE WRITTEN OFF SO THAT BY THE END IT WOULD BE VIR, VERY LITTLE.
UM, SO THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MECHANISM IN PLACE TO MANAGE, UH, RELEASING THE GRANTS.
AND THE FUNDS GO BACK TO THE STATE, TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING, THEY DON'T GO BACK TO THE CITY, RIGHT.
IS THAT, UM, AND THESE GRANTS RANGE FROM LIKE 10,000 TO 30,000? IS THAT THE RANGE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? I'M LOOKING HERE AT TANYA BECAUSE SHE HAS A HISTORY WITH, WITH THESE GRANTS.
YOU SAY THEY'RE THE LARGER GRANTS.
SO, UH, SO WE INCREASED THE VALUE OR THE MAXIMUM, UH, VALUE TO THREE 30,000 BECAUSE BIDS ARE COMING IN HIGHER.
UM, BUT IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE HOMEOWNER.
I'VE SEEN SOME MAXIMUM EXPENDITURES BETWEEN 15,020 5,000.
AND, UH, THE REASON WE INCREASED IT TO 30
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IS BECAUSE THE RECENT BIDS HAVE BEEN COMING IN HIGHER.I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, ARE THE MAJORITY OF YOUR LOANS SMALL OR YOUR REPAIR COSTS SMALLER OR AT THE UPPER END OF THE, OF THE, UM, RANGE? ARE THEY LIKE 8,000 MOSTLY OR 15,000 MOSTLY OR 30,000 MOSTLY.
I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA IN FRONT OF ME, BUT, UH, ISABELLE MIGHT.
SO SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT FROM COTTONWOOD TO YAVAPI, FROM SEDONA FROM A FEW YEARS AGO.
YOU DON'T HAVE AN OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD KIND OF GUESS.
OH, UM, I, I WAS GOING TO SAY, SO YEAH, WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING, UM, BASICALLY THE SAME PROGRAM IN COTTONWOOD.
AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE TIME WE WILL DO MORE THAN ONE ITEM.
IT, THERE, THERE MIGHT BE A FEW CRI CRITICAL ITEMS TO DEAL WITH.
SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, MORE OFTEN THEY'RE THAN NOT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THE HIGHER PATH.
COMMENTS START ON THE SITE AGAIN.
WELL, YOU HAVE A CO YOU HAD A QUESTION? NO, I HAD A COMMENT I SEE TO YOU.
AND THEN WE CAN MOVE THIS WAY.
HOW ABOUT WE JUST GO IN THE RIGHT ORDER THAT I WANT TO GO IN.
SO, JESSICA, I PASS NO COMMENTS.
I, I THINK THAT IF PEOPLE WANT TO PUT A LIEN ON IT, THAT'S FINE.
I DON'T CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IT'S GOING TO DECREASE.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MINIMAL AT BEST THAT, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO SORT OF LEAN PEOPLE FOR LIKE $5,000 AT THE END OF THE
THE TERM, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S ON OR IT'S NOT ON, I KIND OF RELY ON, ON WHAT THEY DO.
I KNOW THAT WHEN THEY DID THE MOBILE HOME REPLACEMENT, THEY DID PUT IT ON, BUT THOSE WERE, THOSE WERE DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THE AMOUNT OF, UH, OF THESE, UM, I GUESS YOU WOULD HAVE NO OBJECTION TO ASSUMING THAT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CITY AND THAT NETTE.
THANK YOU COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON, UH, MAYOR JALO.
IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO DO FOR THIS PROGRAM, WE WILL TAKE, WE WILL DO IT.
I, I, I AM NEUTRAL AS TO WHETHER TO PUT A LIEN ON OR NOT.
I TEND TO NOT WANT TO PUT THE LIEN ON, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE COUNSELORS ARE COMING FROM.
SO, PETE, KATHY, THANK YOU MAYOR.
UM, YEAH, I DID WANNA SAY THAT I SUPPORT THIS ALLOCATION.
I WANNA THANK HABITAT FOR YOUR TRACK RECORD WITH THE CITY AND HAVING WORKED WITH US IN THE PAST.
AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A, A, A VERY GOOD PROGRAM TO HELP KEEP PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE, ALTHOUGH HAVE A LARGE ASSET IN REAL ESTATE, MAY NOT HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO BE KEEPING THAT REAL ESTATE UP.
THIS IS ESPECIALLY, I THINK, APPLICABLE TO SOME OF OUR SENIOR POPULATIONS.
SO I THANK YOU FOR THIS PROGRAM.
UM, I WANTED TO SAY THAT I'M SATISFIED WITH THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS.
IF OTHERS FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THE LEAN FINE.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK, UH, IS A NECESSARY PART OF THIS PARTICULAR, UM, PROGRAM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
SO, AND AGAIN, I THANK YOU AND I SUPPORT THIS, AND WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, I CAN MAKE A MOTION.
I SUPPORT THE PROGRAM, UH, AS TALKED ABOUT IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING, UH, REGARDING A LIEN, I'M OKAY WITH IT, BUT IF WE DO THAT, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A MINIMUM THRESHOLD, LIKE SAY $10,000.
IF, UH, IF THE WORK IS VALUED LESS THAN THAT, THEN WE DON'T MESS WITH IT.
THAT WOULD BE MY ONE CAVEAT I WOULD SUGGEST IF WE WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE.
SO I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF THIS PROGRAM.
I'VE BEEN IN FAVOR OF THIS PROGRAM SINCE YOU FIRST BROUGHT UP THE CDBG GRANTS.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENT ON THAT.
AS FAR AS THE LIEN IS CONCERNED, ONE OF THE THINGS THE LIEN WILL NOT DO IS IT WILL NOT STOP ANYONE FROM GETTING THEIR HOME REPAIRED AND TURNING IT INTO AN STR.
SO LET'S JUST BRING THAT PUPPY OUT TO THE LIGHT OF DAY, UM, AND BE VERY CLEAR THAT IF THERE'S HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL NOT FIX UP THEIR HOME AND SELL IT, THEN THE LEAN MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT HAVE HELP.
IF THIS IS A SENIOR POPULATION, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S A BURDEN.
IT'S A BURDEN ON THEIR ESTATE.
UM, SHOULD THEY PASS BEFORE THE FIVE YEARS ARE UP.
UM, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA PREVENT ANYONE FROM TURNING THEIR HOME INTO AN STR JUST BECAUSE THEY
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FIXED IT UP.SO I THINK THAT THIS IS, UM, A GREAT PROGRAM.
I THINK IT IS NECESSARY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, I THINK WE DO HAVE A POPULATION THAT WILL BE WELL SERVED BY IT.
THERE IS A STIPULATION THAT WOULD PREVENT AN STR.
YEAH, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE TO LIVE THERE FOR FIVE YEARS.
IF THEY HAVE TO LIVE THERE, SO LONG AS THEY DON'T HAVE AN A UNITS OWNER PIPE ABOUT THAT LAW AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL, OR THEY COULD RENT OUT A ROOM IN THEIR, IN THEIR UNIT STILL.
SO A PARTIAL STR, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THE ORIGINAL STR LAW WAS DESIGNED TO SUPPORT PEOPLE BE STAYING IN THEIR HOMES AND RENTING OUT A ROOM.
I'M GRATEFUL THAT YOU ARE HERE AND, AND WORKING WITH US, AND YOU DO HAVE AN EXCELLENT TRACK RECORD AND I TRUST YOU COMPLETELY.
I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE LIEN.
I, I, I, I THINK THAT IT FEELS BURDENSOME TO ME.
IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM WORTH IT TO ME.
SO I'M VERY, I'M NEUTRAL LEANING AGAINST YOU'RE NEUTRAL.
PETE, YOU HAD A FOLLOW UP? YEAH.
UH, I APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUES' CONCERNS AND I TOO AM WORRIED ABOUT BURDENSOME THE OVERLAYS OF PROJECT TOO.
GOD FORBID, I'M ON THIS COUNCIL EIGHT YEARS FROM NOW, OR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.
AND IF WE RENEW THIS KIND OF PROGRAM, I'LL BE ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE DID IN THIS CYCLE.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO KEEP TRACK OF WHAT'S GONE ON ABOUT THE HOUSES THAT WE'VE HELPED, THAT'D BE WONDERFUL.
UM, I'M, I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH THIS MOVING FORWARD AS WRITTEN.
I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO HAVE A LIEN.
IF IT WAS NEEDED TO BE DONE, HABITAT WOULD'VE DONE IT.
THEY ARE TRIED AND TRUE ORGANIZATION HERE WITH A FABULOUS TRACK RECORD.
I DON'T WANNA MICROMANAGE WHAT THEY, UH, HAVE WRITTEN AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO I WOULD BE FINE WITHOUT, UH, STRONGLY FINE WITHOUT HAVING THE, UH, THE LIEN.
DO WE HAVE A, A, A, UH, MAYOR, WE NEED DO UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE.
SO WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT AND WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND, UM, COUNCILOR CONSELLA, YOU HAVE A MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024, I THINK.
UH, AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF AN APPLICATION FOR FY 23 STATE CDBG FUNDS CERTIFYING THAT SAID APPLICATION MEETS THE COMMUNITY'S PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT NEEDS AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE CDBG PROGRAM AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO TAKE ALL ACTIONS NECESSARY TO IMPLEMENT AND COMPLETE THE ACTIVITIES OUTLINED IN SAID APPLICATION.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OKAY, I HAVE A SECOND MOTION PLEASE.
I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 DASH 23 AUTHORIZING ADOPTION OF THE OWNER-OCCUPIED HOUSING REPAIR PROGRAM GUIDELINES DATED SEPTEMBER, 2024, WHICH SHALL BE USED TO IMPLEMENT FY 23 CDBG FUNDS FOR AN OWNER-OCCUPIED HOUSING REPAIR ACTIVITY WITHOUT REVISION TO THESE GUIDELINES UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY THE MAYOR OR CITY MANAGER.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
FIVE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE, IT'S GONNA BE A LONG TALK AND WE'VE BEEN OVER AN HOUR.
DO WE HAVE A, UH, ENOUGH COUNCIL MEMBERS? DO YOU WANNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? NO.
WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, JOANNE.
OH, YOU CAN'T STREAM IT ON ALSO, I WANNA GET HOME BEFORE THEY CONSTRUC.
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BETWEEN YOU.I DON'T KNOW WHY IT COMES AND GOES THOUGH, BUT PRESENT.
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SO IT'S GENERALLY FOUGHT BY OTHER AND WE'LL HAVE HIM UP WITH THE DECK PODIUM.I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
LET'S GET BACK TO THE MEETING.
PEOPLE USUALLY ARE READY AND I'M NOT SURE THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE.
I DUNNO, IT FLIES JUST, JUST THE ORDINANCE.
OKAY, LET'S TRY THIS ONE MORE TIME.
NOW THAT WE'VE HAD A BREAK, ITEM
[8.b. AB 3097 Discussion/possible action regarding the Broken Arrow Speed Limit Petition and Ordinance amending the Sedona City Code Title 10 (Vehicles and Traffic) by adding Chapter 10.30 (Improper Motor Vehicle Equipment); and the voluntary agreement with local OHV rental companies.]
EIGHT B AB 30 97 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE BROKEN ARROW SPEED LIMIT PETITION AND ORDINANCE AMENDING THIS SEDONA CITY CODE TITLE 10 VEHICLES IN TRAFFIC BY ADDING CHAPTER 10.30 IMPROPER MOTOR VEHICLE EQUIPMENT AND THE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT WITH LOCAL OHV RENTAL COMPANIES.KURT, I BELIEVE YOU WANNA START OFF WITH THIS.
UH, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, MADAM VICE MAYOR AND, AND COUNCILORS.
SO ON JUNE 21ST, 2024, THE, THE CITY RECEIVED A PETITION FROM THE BROKEN ARROW, UM, HOMEOWNERS 43 OF THEM, UH, REGARDING AN, UH, AND, UH, WITH A REQUEST FOR, UH, OHV SPECIFIC SPEED LIMIT.
THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY STATE WHAT, UH, THAT SPEED LIMIT IS, BUT A REQUEST FOR THAT.
UM, COUNCIL SUBSEQUENTLY AT A, THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING OR IN OR IN JULY, UH, REQUESTED TO PLACE THE ITEM ON AN UPCOMING, UH, COUNCIL MEETING.
AND SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME COUNCIL'S HAD A CHANCE TO EVEN DISCUSS THIS ITEM.
UH, WHEN THEY DID PLACE AGENDIZE, THAT COUNCIL ALSO ASKED, UH, THAT WE PLACE THE, AND, UH, GIVE IT A LITTLE UPDATE ON THE VOLUNTARY, UH, COMMITMENTS FROM THE OHV RENTAL COMPANIES AND ALSO, UH, THAT WE, UH, HAVE AGENDIZED FOR THE BROADER DISCUSSION ON THE, WHAT'S COMMONLY CALLED THE OHV BAN, UM, BUT SOLICIT AS THE MOTOR VEHICLE EQUIPMENT ORDINANCE IN THE PACKET.
SO THOSE ARE ALL ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
UM, A QUICK UPDATE ON THE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT.
UH, WE MET WITH THREE OF THE FOUR OHP RENTAL COMPANIES, UH, YESTERDAY, AND THEY ARE GENERALLY ALL DOING EXCELLENT.
UM, ABOUT A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE WITH THE GPS FLAGS AND EDUCATION COMMITMENTS.
UH, THOSE ARE THE EASIER ONES TO DO.
UM, THEY RANGE IN REQUIREMENTS ON MUFFLERS, BLINKERS, SPEED LIMITERS ARE, IS A MORE MIXED BAG RANGING FROM 31% TO A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE.
UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, UH, ONE COMPANY HAS, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE ON THE BLINKERS BECAUSE THEY, UH, HAVE THE MESH SCREENS ON THE SIDE OF THE WINDOW.
SO YOU CAN'T EVEN DO HAND SIGNALS 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T STICK YOUR HAND OUTSIDE OF THE WINDOWS FOR A SAFETY REASON.
UM, OTHER VEHICLES ARE HARDER TO FIND, UH, BLINKERS FOR, AND SO THEY HAVE TO MANUFACTURE THEIR OWN BRACKETS, THINGS LIKE THAT, IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM WORK.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY RANGE IN THAT SAME RANGE, UH, BECAUSE SOME VEHICLES TO BEGIN WITH, THE HONDAS AND CAN-AM, ARE GENERALLY AGREED TO BE QUIETER.
UM, AND THE POLARIS AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES ARE AGREED TO BE LOUDER.
UM, AND THERE'S A LACK OF AVAILABLE AFTERMARKET PARTS TO, UH, TO, UH, ENABLE TO JUST INSTALL ON ALL OF 'EM AND MAKE THEM ALL QUIETER.
AND SO THERE JUST CAN'T, UH, SO THAT LEAVES THEM TRYING TO MANUFACTURE THEIR OWN IN SOME CASES, UH, WITH VARYING DEGREES OF SUCCESS.
UH, SO ONE OTHER POINT THAT WE LEARNED IS THAT THE POLARIS IS, UM, THE NEW MODELS ARE COMING WITH A QUIETER TRANSMISSION, A QUIET CLUTCH SYSTEM THAT THEY'RE CALLING.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, SEDONA, UH, A TV, UH, HERE IN TOWN, UM, HAS, HAS I THINK ABOUT A HUNDRED UNITS AND HALF OF THEM ARE THE NEWER ONES THAT HAVE THE QUIET CLUTCHES ALREADY.
AND THEY SHOULD BE ON ALL OF THEM IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
UH, SO THAT'S, UM, JUST A, A QUICK BACKGROUND ON IT.
UH, I SENT COUNSEL THE, THE INFORMATION FROM THE THREE OF THE FOUR OHV COMPANIES THAT MET WITH COUNCIL.
UH, ON THE SCREEN I HAVE AN, UH, FIRST DRAFT OF AN ATTEMPTED, UH, OHV SPEED LIMIT.
AND THIS IS, WAS IN THE, THE PACKET, UH, THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST MEETING ON THIS.
THIS HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED BY COUNCIL BEFORE, SO THIS WOULD, UH, REQUIRE A SECOND MEETING.
SO IF COUNCIL WAS INTERESTED IN, IN PURSUING AN OHV SPEED LIMIT ON, ON ANY, ON ANY ROADS IN THE CITY, THIS WOULD BE, UH, ONE WAY TO DO THAT.
SO, UH, IN THERE IT JUST A, UH, ADDS A SECTION B TO, UH, 10 POINT 15.040 OF THE SEDONA CITY CODE, UH, ESTABLISHING AN OFF HIGHWAY AN A TV SPEED LIMIT OF 15 MILES PER HOUR ON ALL ROADS WHERE COUNCIL ADOPTS IT BY RELU
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RESOLUTION AND WHERE POSTED BY APPROPRIATE SIGNS.SO IN THE CASE OF MORGAN ROAD, AS REQUESTED BY THE, UH, THE HOME OWNERS THERE, IF COUNSEL WERE TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE, UH, AMENDING THE CODE, COUNSEL THEN COULD SUBSEQUENTLY AT THE SAME MEETING, UM, ADOPT A RESOLUTION, UH, APPROVING MORGAN ROAD AS AN OHV SPEED LIMIT DESIGNATION, UH, OR, AND OR OTHER ROADS AS WELL.
THIS IS, AS IT STATES, ONLY APPLY TO CITY ROADS AND NOT TO THE STATE ROUTE.
UH, 89 A OR 1 79, UH, UH, IN ADDITION, UH, DISCUSSION WITH THE OHP RENTAL COMPANIES, THEY SUGGESTED, AND IT WAS, UM, THOUGHT OF AS A GOOD IDEA.
AND I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT IT YET.
UM, THE CITY DOES HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS, UH, VEHICLES OR ANYONE FROM, FROM, UH, AND CITY WRITES AWAY FROM HAVING ROAD HAVING NOISE, SO AUDIO, SO A STEREO IN YOUR CAR BEING LOUDER THAN 50 FEET BEING HEARD LOUDER THAN 50 FEET FROM YOUR VEHICLE DURING DAYTIME HOURS AND 25 FEET DURING NIGHTTIME HOURS.
SO THIS ISN'T AN ISSUE WITH OHP RENTAL COMPANIES.
THEY DON'T HAVE, UM, STEREOS IN THEIR VEHICLES, UH, BUT, UH, THE, UH, HO THE INDIVIDUAL OWNERS DO, AND THEY LIKE TO LISTEN TO 'EM QUITE LOUD SOMETIMES BECAUSE THE VEHICLES ARE LOUD AND, AND IT'S HARD TO HEAR THEM OVER, OVER THE VEHICLE NOISE, AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE HELMETS ON THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO, UH, WE COULD, IN ADDITION TO THE, THE SPEED LIMIT SIGN ON MORGAN ROAD, POST A, UM, THE CITY ORDINANCE THERE AND NOTE THAT IT'S A, UM, A, A QUIET ZONE AND THE NOISE ORDINANCE WILL BE ENFORCED IN THAT AREA.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THOUGH, IT WOULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE, UM, POLICE OFFICERS AND TIME TO GO OUT THERE AND ENFORCE BOTH THE SPEED LIMIT AND THE NOISE.
AND AGAIN, THIS JUST CAME UP BOTH KIND OF YESTERDAY.
AND SO I HAVE NOT TALKED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON HOW THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO MANAGE, MANAGE THAT AND, UH, FIT THAT INTO THEIR, THEIR GENERAL POLICING, UH, ROUTES THAT THEY HAVE THEIR BEATS.
BUT, UM, UH, ALL THINGS THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED AND, AND FIGURED OUT.
IF COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, UH, WE COULD HAVE THAT READY, UH, FOR COUNCIL AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH WOULD LIKELY BE IN.
AND SINCE WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THE SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, WOULD BE THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER, UNLESS COUNCIL PREFERRED A DIFFERENT DATE.
AND SO THAT'S, UH, ALL I HAVE FOR COUNSEL AT THIS TIME.
WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL AND WAITING TO HEAR YOUR DISCUSSION.
SO THE, THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE, THE PACKET IS CLEAR THAT THIS WOULD, IF THERE WAS, IF WE WERE CONSIDERING A REDUCED SPEED LIMIT FOR OHVS, IT WOULD, WE WOULD APPLY IT TO ALL CITY ROADS, CORRECT.
SO IT ONLY ALL CITY ROADS, BUT BUT LIMITED BY WHERE COUNCIL DESIGNATES THE ROAD BY RESOLUTION AND WHERE IT'S POSTED BY APPROPRIATE SIGNS.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A BLANKET ONE TO GET TO GET IT IN ON THE BOOKS BY, BY AN ORDINANCE.
AND SO IT'S IN THE CITY CODE AND IT'S THERE.
AND THEN ANYTIME COUNCIL WANTS TO DESIGNATE A ROAD OR NOT DESIGNATE A ROAD, THEY CAN JUST PASS BY A RESOLUTION.
WE DON'T NEED, UM, TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS OR ANY PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL.
YOU JUST GO ON A CONSENT AGENDA.
IT CAN BE DISCUSSED LONGER IF COUNCIL WANTED TO DISCUSS IT LONGER, BUT IT'S NOT AMENDING THE LAW EVERY TIME.
UM, THIS WOULD, THE ORDINANCE AMENDS THE LAW TO ALLOW THE LOWER SPEED LIMIT.
COUNCIL THEN CAN JUST BY RESOLUTION DESIGNATE OHV SPEED LIMIT ROUTES, BASICALLY, UH, AT ANY TIME.
SO BASICALLY THIS WOULD BE AN ACTION THAT, IF TAKEN, WOULD THEN ALLOW PIECEMEAL, UM, DESIGNATION.
SO COUNSEL COULD START WITH MORGAN WROTE AT THE REQUEST OF THE HOMEOWNERS, AND BASED ON SOME OF THE INFORMATION WE HAVE THERE, UM, AND COULD GIVE IT A, A TRIAL RUN, SEE IF IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
IF IT DOES HAVE POSITIVE EFFECTS, THEY COULD THEN CONSIDER IT ON OTHER ROADWAYS.
AND HAVE, I I, I HAVE A CONCERN.
SO I WANT TO KNOW IF WE'VE ASKED, UM, ENGINEERING TO LOOK AT THIS AT ALL, OR, OR SOMEBODY APPROPRIATE ABOUT HAVING TWO DIFFERENT DESIGNATED SPEED LIMITS ON A ANY ROAD, UM, FOR DIFFERENT CLASSES OF VEHICLES.
'CAUSE MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD, MIGHT ENCOURAGE TRYING TO PASS A VEHICLE THAT'S GOING SLOWER.
OKAY, I, MY SPEED LIMIT IS 25 MILES PER HOUR.
THE VEHICLE IN FRONT OF ME IS REGULATED TO 15 MILES PER HOUR.
AM I GONNA GET IMPATIENT AND TRY TO PASS IN AN APPROPRIATE PLACE? SO HAVE WE HAD ANY ENGINEERING OR ANY SAFETY SPECIALISTS REVIEW THAT? NO.
SO SINCE THE 2019 OHV REPORT, UH, ONE OF THE
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SUGGESTED ITEMS TO CONSIDER WAS, UH, OHV SPEED LIMITS.AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT WAS REJECTED, PRIMARILY BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK OF HAVING AN OHV SPEED LIMIT ON DRY CREEK ROAD AND THE LONG LENGTH OF THAT, AND NO ONE WOULD WANT TO GO 15 THE WHOLE WAY AND PEOPLE ALREADY PASS ILLEGALLY ON OCCASION THERE.
UM, SO IF COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE OHV SPEED LIMIT, THAT CAN, WILL CERTAINLY CAN BE ADDRESSED BY, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AS TO HAVING A DIFFERENT SPEED LIMIT, WHETHER THEY HAVE ANY CONCERNS THAT CAN ALSO BE ADDRESSED INDIVIDUALLY ON THE ROADWAYS WHERE IF COUNCIL'S CONSIDERING ADOPTING ONE, SO ON MORGAN ROAD, UM, THAT'S ONLY A HALF MILE LONG, UM, IT'S A LITTLE, UH, MORE WINDY THAN, THAN DRY CREEK, UM, NARROWER.
UH, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS THERE AS, AS OPPOSED TO TO DRY CREEK, BUT IT CAN BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
SO, SO JUST THE LAST THING YOU SAID.
SO PASSING THE ORDINANCE PRESERVES THE RIGHT TO THEN DO THESE DESIGNATIONS, BUT WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO A DESIGNATION TONIGHT AS WELL.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO, SO NOTHING WILL BE DONE TONIGHT.
'CAUSE UH, COUNCIL RULES REQUIRE COUNCIL HAVE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS ON THIS ORDINANCE.
UM, AND THE, SO THE RESOLUTION WOULDN'T FALL UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC MEETING.
BUT, BUT ALSO EVEN ON, IN, IN A MONTH, SAY WE COME BACK AND COUNCIL PASSES THIS ORDINANCE, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE THEM TO ACTUALLY ADOPT A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHED IN A 15 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT ANYWHERE.
UH, SO THAT COULD BE AT A DIFFERENT MEETING OR A DIFFERENT TIME OR, OR NOT AT ALL.
THIS IS THE 15 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT WOULD NOT APPLY UNLESS ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION BY COUNCIL, AND THEN POSTED BY SIGNAGE.
AND I THINK, THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION.
UM, WE'VE OBVI OBVIOUSLY THOUGH THIS CAME TO LIGHT BECAUSE OF THE REQUEST OF A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT CONDITIONS ON A PARTICULAR ROAD.
UM, WHY WOULD WE NOT JUST BE LOOKING AT REDUCING THE SPEED LIMIT ON THAT ROAD FOR ALL VEHICLES? UH, THAT IS AN OPTION.
UM, I THINK IF WE WERE TO GO TO THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, THEY WOULD STATE THAT THE 25 MILE SPEED LIMIT IS APPROPRIATE FOR, FOR OTHER MOTOR VEHICLES, FOR CARS AND, AND YOUR REGULAR PASSENGER CARS, TRUCKS, JEEPS.
UH, SO AS YOU SEE HERE, UM, IN BOTH SECTIONS WE CITE TO ARIZONA REVISED STATUTE 28 DASH 7 0 3, AND IN THERE IT TALKS ABOUT A ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC INVESTIGATION, NOT NECESSARILY AN A, YOU KNOW, A REPORT OR ANALYSIS HERE THAT, BUT JUST AN INVESTIGATION TO SUPPORT, UM, LOWER OR HIGHER SPEED LIMITS.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT, UH, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS WILL GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR, UM, ALL VEHICLES OR NOT ALL VEHICLES.
BUT THEY HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT IT FOR THE OHV VEHICLES? NO, NOT, NOT YET.
SO THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING WITH CITY, UM, WITH CITY COUNCIL.
UH, AND SO WE HAVE NOT DONE, WE DON'T, WE'RE HERE TO GAUGE FIRST COUNSEL'S INTERESTS AND THEN, UH, BUT TO KEEP THE PROCESS MOVING, I DRAFTED THE ORDINANCE, UH, BUT WE WILL TAKE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.
UH, PETE MEYER, A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
YOU START OFF BY TALKING ABOUT THE COMPLIANCE OF THE VOLUNTEER AGREEMENT, AND THAT'S AWESOME TO HEAR THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME PROGRESS AND CHANGES.
HAS IT MADE A DIFFERENCE? HAVE WE HAD THE ABILITY TO SURVEY PEOPLE AND TALK ABOUT WHETHER THE LEVEL OF IRRITATION AROUND O HVS HAS COME DOWN AS THE GSRC BEEN PLUGGED IN, IN MONITORING ANYTHING? I, I DON'T KNOW.
I, I, I LOVE THE ACTIVITY AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT, BUT I'M ALSO INTERESTED TO KNOW WHETHER OUR ACTIVITY IS HAVING AN IMPACT.
UM, THE ONLY ONE I CAN REPORT ON IS SINCE, UH, THE CITY BROUGHT IT UP AS A SAFETY ISSUE WITH O VS.
AND THE OHV COMPANIES, UH, UH, BEGAN DOING THE, THE EXTRA EDUCATIONAL, UH, COMPONENT THAT, THAT HASN'T HAD A, THEY ALL CLAIM THAT'S HAD A SERIOUS IMPACT AND THEIR, THEIR NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS MM-HMM.
UM, SO THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT HAS AMONG THE RENTERS HAS HAD A DIFFERENCE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE REST, YOU, WE WOULD HAVE TO SURVEY THE RESIDENTS AND MAYBE WE'LL HEAR FROM SOME OF THEM TONIGHT, UM, AS TO WHETHER THAT HAS MADE A DIFFERENCE OR NOT.
AND I SEE WE HAVE BROKEN ARROW PEOPLE HERE, BUT I DON'T, DON'T SEE ANY OF OUR WEST OF SEDONA FOLKS HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER THEY THINK ANY OF THESE CHANGES HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE.
UH, AND WE'VE HAD STORIES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE, HAS ANYONE SURRENDERED DATA? DO WE KNOW THAT IT'S SAFER OR WE JUST BELIEVING PEOPLE THAT SAY IT'S SAFER AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS? YEAH.
THEY HAVEN'T PROVIDED, UH, OTHER THAN, I MEAN, UH, WE COULD GET THE DATA.
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THINK THEY'D BE WILLING TO MAYBE, MAYBE SHARE THAT.I GUESS I SHOULD SAY MAYBE, UH, THEY HAVE HAD THAT NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS PER YEAR HAS, HAS GONE DOWN.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE ALL SAID, BUT THEY HAVE NOT SHARED ANY SPECIFIC DATA.
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE NOISE ORDINANCE POSSIBILITY AND YOU REALLY FOCUSED ON RADIO MUSIC.
IS THE NOISE ORDINANCE ANOTHER WAY TO GET IT? ENGINE AND TIRE NOISE.
ENGINE NOISE REGULATED BY STATE LAW, AND IT'S A PREEMPTION AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE 96 DECIBELS AT THE MUFFLER.
UM, BUT PERHAPS TOY TIRE NOISE.
UM, BUT THAT'S NOT REGULATED BY STATE LAW AND SO ARGUABLY IS NOT PREEMPTED.
UH, THE PROBLEM WITH THERE'S, AS THERE CONTINUES TO BE, THERE'S PROB IT'S HARD TO MEASURE, UH, NOISE OF A MOVING VEHICLE.
THERE'S SOME SCIENTIFIC ISSUES WITH THAT.
UH, VERSUS A STATIONARY, UM, NOISE SOURCE IS A LOT EASIER TO MEASURE.
AND THEN JUST TO FOLLOW UP A LITTLE BIT ON COUNCILOR ELLA'S QUESTIONS.
SO IF, IF WE PASS THE ORDINANCE AND THEN WE IN THE FUTURE BY RESOLUTION COULD DO SOME AREA OR A STREET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IS THAT A ONE OR A TWO MEETING ACTION IN THE FUTURE? UH, THAT'S A ONE MEETING.
UH, OR IT CAN BE, IT'S UP TO COUNCIL.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY'LL CONTROL THAT PROCESS, BUT, UH, A RESOLUTION DOES NOT REQUIRE TWO MEETINGS.
SO, UM, COUNCIL, UH, ALTHOUGH IN, IN, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, IT PROBABLY END UP BEING TWO MEETINGS ANYWAYS, COUNCIL, UM, I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE, I GUESS IF COUNCIL PROPOSED IT, A COUNCIL PROPOSED IT AND IT WAS SECONDED, UM, IT WOULD HELP TO WHERE WE FALL INTO THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE WITH THE FOUR.
IF WE HAD FOUR PEOPLE, THEN WE COULD PROBABLY JUST GO AHEAD AND GET IT ON, GET IT ALL READY FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, IF ONLY IF THERE SEEMS TO BE ANY HESITANCY, THEN IT'S PROBABLY LOOKING AT A, A TWO MEETING, UH, TO ALLOW FOR FURTHER STUDY AND DEBATE AMONG COUNCIL.
THAT'S MY QUESTIONS IN THIS MOMENT.
NOW, JESSICA, UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM, I MEAN, NOT NOW OR BECAUSE SHE'S PROBABLY NOT READY, BUT FROM THE CHIEF AS TO HOW ANY OF THIS WOULD BE ENFORCED.
UM, I HAVE A BIG CONCERN ABOUT THAT, UM, THAT IT WENT AWAY.
UM, OH, I, OKAY, I'LL COME BACK.
VICE MAYOR, I WANNA GO BACK TO, UH, AN ANSWER THAT YOU GAVE TO COUNSELOR KINSELLA WHEN SHE ASKED ABOUT A STUDY BECAUSE IT, I HEARD IT DIFFERENTLY THAN A CONVERSATION.
YOU AND I HAD A COUPLE OF DAYS, WELL, YESTERDAY ACTUALLY,
SO WHEN I ASKED YOU THE QUESTION ABOUT COULD THE 15 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT WORK FOR ALL VEHICLES, YOU SAID ONLY FOR OHVS, BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO DO AN ENGINEERING STUDY FOR THE, FOR OTHER VEHICLES.
SO BOTH REQUIRE AN ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC STUDY.
UH, WHAT WE'RE USING AS THE BASIS FOR THE OHV ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC, OR NOT A STUDY, AN INVESTIGATION IS ALL OF THE INFORMATION IN THE ORDINANCE.
THE FIRST TWO PAGES OF, WHEREAS CLAUSES THAT CLEARLY ESTABLISH THAT THESE VEHICLES ARE, ARE NOT SAFE ON PAVED IN PUBLIC ROADS, THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO.
THEY PER THE MAN OWNERS, UH, THE MANUFACTURERS, THEY SHOULD NOT BE DRIVEN ON PAVED IN PUBLIC ROADS AND THEN ADDITIONAL DATA ABOUT HOW, UM, THE NOISE, UM, CREATES A HEALTH ISSUE.
AND THAT CAN ALL BE, UH, ADDITIONALLY ATTEST TO TONIGHT BY THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORS AND THE RESIDENTS OF BROKEN ARROW.
AND SO THAT'S THE INFORMATION WE HAVE IN ORDER TO THE INVESTIGATION COUNSEL WOULD BE ADOPTING ALL OF THOSE ISSUES THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR THE LAST, UH, YEAR AND A HALF OR MORE AS THEIR INVESTIGATION TO JUSTIFY THE LOWER SPEED LIMIT.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY, IF WE WERE INCLINED TO, ON THE BASIS OF INFORMATION WE ALREADY HAVE, WE COULD REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT FOR OH FEES TO, TO WHATEVER, 15 MILES AN HOUR OR A DIFFERENT NUMBER.
BUT WE COULD NOT DO THAT FOR OTHER VEHICLES BECAUSE IT WOULD REQUIRE A STUDY.
WELL, UH, UH, THE SAME AN ENGINEERING TRAFFIC INVESTIGATION.
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY LONGER OR HARD TO DO AN INVESTIGATION.
CITIES RAISE AND LOWER SPEED LIMITS REGULARLY ON DIFFERENT ROADS.
UH, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS DO THOSE INVESTIGATIONS.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR VEHICLES ON MORGAN ROAD.
BUT'S SOMETHING COUNT, UH, PUBLIC WORKS COULD LOOK AT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, IF THAT WAS WHAT COUNCIL WAS MORE INTERESTED IN, IS MAKING THE
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ENTIRE ROAD 15 MILES AN HOUR.SO COULD WE ASK THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT YES, YOU
WHAT IF WE WANTED TO INVESTIGATE ALL VEHICLES? WHAT TIMEFRAME WOULD THAT REQUIRE FOR YOU TO DO THIS INVESTIGATION? IT TYPICALLY AN IN-HOUSE SPEED STUDY.
UM, IT USUALLY ONLY TAKES HOW MANY VISITATION YOU WANT TO CATCH PEAK TIME AND NOT TIME, BUT A MONTH.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO INTERNALLY.
ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW, MELISSA.
ANY MINOR MORE COMMENTS AND RESPONSES TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD? SO I I'LL DEFER.
BRIAN, QUESTIONS? MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.
UM, IN THIS CASE, THIS REQUEST WAS FROM THE RESIDENTS, THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS, I ASSUME 43 OUT OF 48 OR 50.
SO IT SEEMS, UM, UM, I WOULD WANNA LOOK FOR RESIDENT REQUESTS FOR ANY SUBSEQUENT, UM, REDUCTIONS OF THE, OF THE SPEED LIMIT.
UM, PARTICULARLY ON, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WOULD HAPPEN ON DRY CREEK, WHICH IS USED NOT ONLY BY RESIDENTS, BUT BY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
UM, I AM ADAMANT ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO, WELL, THAT'S A COMMENT.
UH, NOW WE'RE DANGLING WHAT I SAID.
WELL, I'M A, WELL YOU CAN GUESS.
THE CURRENT SPEED LIMIT ON, ON MORGAN OR BROKEN ARROW WAS ESTABLISHED PRESUMABLY BY ENGINEERING STUDY, UM, UH, IN YOUR, IN-HOUSE WHEN YOU DO THE IN-HOUSE SPEED STUDY.
KURT, KURT, KURT
UM, DO YOU RELY ON STANDARD, UM, DEFINITIONS OF HOW TO SET THE SPEED LIMIT? ARE THERE DEFINITE GUIDELINES FOR HOW TO USE IT OR IS IT A LOT YOUR DISCRETION? UM, THE MUTC STANDARDS, RIGHT? TRANSFER I, IT'S BY FOR RESIDENT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S DONE BY, UH, ACCORDING TO STANDARDS AND, AND NOT THROUGH PRESSURE THAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE EXERTED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
BUT THERE ARE STANDARDS THAT YOU USE.
SO YOU BASICALLY WOULD LOOK AT THE SPEED LIMIT, WHAT IS IN COMPLIANCE, AND THE TYPICAL SPEED LIMIT IS SET.
IN ORDER TO SET THOSE 25 MILES PER HOUR IS THE PRETTY MUCH STANDARD FOR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN ARIZONA, IN BUSINESS AREAS AND SO ON.
AND THEY CAN CHANGE BASED ON ACCIDENTS, DATA AND SO ON.
SO THAT'S ALL PART OF THE POINT OF IT WARRANTS.
AND AS THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, CITY ENGINEER, I CAN DICTATE THE SPEED LIMIT AS IT WARRANTS.
AND MAYOR COUNSEL ON THAT, IT, THERE LIKELY WASN'T A SPEED STUDY DONE DIRECTLY ON MORGAN ROAD IN THE PAST AS THE, AS THE, AS YOU SEE FROM THE ORDINANCE, AND WE PROBABLY IN WHEN WE INHERITED IT FROM COCAO COUNTY, ALL RESIDENTIAL ROADS, WERE JUST A BLANKET AT 25 MILES AN HOUR.
KATHY, CAN YOU REFRESH ME ON WHAT ROLLOVER DATA WE HAVE FOR MORGAN ROAD? I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY ROLLOVER ACCIDENTS ON MORGAN ROAD THAT I'M AWARE OF.
KURT HARRIS, I THINK WE, I I'M FINE WITH IF YOU WANNA GO BACK WHERE YOU CAN SIT THERE, WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO.
I'M JUST GONNA, UH, WE HAVE A REQUEST TO SPEAK FROM CARL JACKSON AS, AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE, UH, COMMUNITY.
HE'S GONNA GIVE A BRIEF, UH, OPENING STATEMENT, WHAT BRIEF STATEMENT.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY.
I APPRECIATE THE CITY COUNCIL'S TIME.
I LIVE IN BROKEN ARROW, AND I'M REPRESENTING THIS SPEARHEADING THIS, UH, SPEED LIMIT REQUEST ON BEHALF OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, ONE CLARIFICATION, 'CAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE SAME JARGON.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OHVS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UTVS SIDE-BY-SIDES ATVS.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JEEPS.
UH, AT A, AT A MINIMUM WE THINK OHVS ARE A SAFETY CONCERN ON MORGAN, BUT THAT'S SUBJECTIVE FOR SURE.
THEY'RE LOUDER THAN ANY OTHER VEHICLE TYPE, THAT'S FOR SURE.
UH, AS BACKGROUND, BROKEN ARROW HAS OVER 60 HOMES WITH NO EXIT OTHER THAN MORGAN ROAD, WHICH IS
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A HALF MILE ROAD WITH NO STRIPES, SIDEWALKS, OR A BLIND, AND HAS A BLIND CURVE.IT'S A ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT ROAD.
SO EVERY OHV PASSES EVERY HOME TWICE.
UH, WE HAVE PEDESTRIANS, DOG WALKERS, HIKERS AND BIKERS FROM CHURCH OF THE RED ROCKS WITH THE NEW SHUTTLE PARKING LOT WALKING DOWN MORGAN.
AND WE HAVE HOMES RIGHT BY THE ROAD FROM ONE END OF MORGAN TO THE OTHER.
OUR REQUEST IS FOR A 15 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT JUST FOR OHVS ON MORGAN.
WE THINK IT WILL IMPROVE SAFETY AND CERTAINLY NOISE.
SO I, I AM PART OF THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATION COLLABORATIVE AND WE DID A NOISE STUDY.
UH, AND THAT STUDY SHOWS THAT A 15 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT VERSUS A 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT WILL REDUCE OHV NOISE BY APPROXIMATELY, DEPENDING ON THE VEHICLE TYPE THREE TO SIX DECIBELS, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO ADDING A MUFFLER TO EVERY OHV.
WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING OHV NOISE.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE ARE BRINGING DOWN THE PEAK DECIBEL LEVELS OF O HVS, WE'RE BRINGING IT DOWN CLOSER TO OTHER VEHICLES.
AND THAT SHOULD IMPROVE, UH, NOISE AS PER ANY CONCERN AROUND GETTING BEHIND A SLOW MOVING OHV BECAUSE THIS IS DUAL SPEED LIMIT REQUEST.
WE DID DO A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS BY HOUR, UH, LOOKING AT O HVS, LOOKING AT ALL MOTORIZED RECREATION, AND WE GET ABOUT ZERO TO THREE OHVS PER HOUR UNLESS THEY ARRIVE IN A LARGE GROUP AND THEN THEY'RE IN AND THEY'RE OUT.
UH, OHVS CONTRIBUTE ABOUT 10 TO 20% OF OUR MOTORIZED RECREATION VOLUME.
MOST OF OUR VOLUME IS ACTUALLY JEEPS.
UM, BUT OHVS ARE THE MAJORITY OF OUR NOISE BY FAR.
THEY'RE THE MAJORITY OF THE NOISE, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY 10 TO 20% OF THE VOLUME.
AND BECAUSE THAT OHV VOLUME IS VERY WELL DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE DAY, AND IT TAKES TWO MINUTES TO GO 15 MILES AN HOUR DOWN MORGAN FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER, THE CHANCE OF GETTING BEHIND, AT LEAST FOR MORGAN, I CAN'T SPEAK TO ANY OTHER ROAD, BUT FOR MORGAN, THE CHANCE OF GETTING BEHIND A SLOW MOVING OHV WHEN THERE'S ZERO TO THREE AN HOUR AND IT'S A TWO MINUTE RIDE, IT'S A PRETTY LOW PROBABILITY.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, BUT EVEN IF YOU DO GET BEHIND ONE, YOU'RE GONNA BE BEHIND IT FOR AT LEAST AT MAXIMUM TWO MINUTES.
IF YOU GET BEHIND IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, YOU'LL BE HALF THAT.
SO IT'S A PRETTY, SO THE CHANCE YOU'RE GONNA BE HAVING SOMEONE TRYING TO PASS AN OHV ON MORGAN IS, IS PRETTY LOW PROBABILITY.
SOME RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED THAT OHVS WON'T ABIDE BY THE LOWER SPEED LIMIT.
UH, NO ONE REALLY OBJECTS TO LOWER SPEED LIMIT.
THE QUESTION IS HOW EFFECTIVE WILL IT BE? AND WE WON'T, WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE DO IT.
BUT CERTAINLY THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT ENFORCEMENT AND PEOPLE AND WHETHER OHV DRIVERS WILL ABIDE BY IT.
SO IF THE CITY COUNCIL DOES CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE, WE WOULD ASK THEM TO ALSO CONSIDER INCREASED ENFORCEMENT, AT LEAST ON WEEKENDS OR BUSY WEEKENDS.
UH, AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE, I, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOWER, THE SPEED LIMIT'S NOT GONNA SOLVE ALL.
UM, IT, WE GOT LOTS OF PROBLEMS ON MORGAN.
WE HAVE LOTS OF PROBLEMS IN THE BROKEN ARROW BASIN, BUT IT WILL HELP.
AND IT'S FINALLY A CHANCE TO GET RESIDENTS, RENTAL COMPANIES, FOREST SERVICE, AND THE CITY ALL ON ONE ISSUE THAT EVERYBODY CAN PRETTY MUCH GET BEHIND.
I HAVEN'T FOUND A SOLUTION THAT EVERYBODY CAN PRETTY MUCH GET BEHIND.
UM, AND SO I REALLY HOPE THAT THE CITY DOESN'T WASTE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THIS A CHANCE.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
CARL, I'D LIKE YOU TO REMAIN THERE IN CASE THERE'S QUESTIONS.
I WANNA JUST CANVAS THE, THE DA TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT HAS QUESTIONS FOR YOU SINCE YOU DO REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY.
AND YOU DID PROVIDE US WITH THAT PETITION.
ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION BASED ON WHAT CARL SAID, BUT IT'S NOT FOR CARL, IT'S FOR KURT.
SO THERE WAS A REQUEST IN WHAT CALL PRESENTED FOR INCREASE ENFORCEMENT IF THE LOWER SPEED LIMIT GOES INTO EFFECT FOR OHB.
AND MY QUESTION IS, WHO WOULD ACTUALLY, AND I THINK THIS IS FOR YOU, KURT VERSUS THE CHIEF, DOES THAT REQUIRE A POLICE OFFICER FOR THE ISSUANCE OF TICKETS OR CAN WE USE OTHER PERSONNEL? MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT HAS TO BE A UNIFORMED OFFICER.
UH, COUNSELOR KINSELLA, THE ONLY, UH, AUTHORIZED PEOPLE THAT CAN STOP MOVING VEHICLES AND ISSUE A TICKET WOULD BE, UH, A PEACE OFFICER, A SWORN PEACE OFFICER.
SO THIS WOULD BE THE DEPLOYMENT OF ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICER RESOURCES BASED ON THIS, IF THIS HAPPENS.
SO GENERALLY, IF THERE IS A, SO, SO MOST PEOPLE FOLLOW THIS POSTED SPEED LIMIT.
UM, IF THERE'S A, AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT, THEN SOME INCREASED, UH, PATROLLING BY THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE GENERALLY IN, AND A FEW TICKETS ARE GENERALLY ENOUGH TO GET THE WORD OUT THAT, HEY, THIS ISN'T A PLACE TO SPEED.
UH, BUT YES, AT, AT SOME POINT THIS WILL REQUIRE SOME MORE POLICING IN ORDER TO MAKE IT EFFECTIVE.
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COUNCILOR ELLA'S QUESTION.SO PLEASE STOP AND ISSUE TICKETS.
WHO CAN STOP AND TALK TO THE PERSON ABOUT THE RULES OR DIFFERENT EDUCATION? UH, SO THE OV RENTAL COMPANIES HAVE, UH, EXPRESSED NO, UH, OPPOSITION TO THE LOWER OV SPEED LIMIT.
UM, AND THAT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR MANY TIMES.
AND THEY WOULD, ONE, EDUCATE ALL OF THEIR, UH, THE RENTERS THAT, HEY, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO TO MORGAN GONNA BROKEN ARROW, THEN MORGAN ROAD HAS A A 15 MILE AN HOUR OS V SPEED LIMIT.
IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER ROADS THAT WERE GONNA BE ADOPTED AS WELL, THEN THEY COULD DO THAT AS WELL.
UH, FOR THE PRIVATE OWNERS, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO, I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE PRIMARILY BY SIGNAGE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER WAY TO, UH, I MEAN THEY HAVE ON THEIR, THEIR BLOGS AND WEBSITES BEEN MONITORING THE CITY.
UH, EVERY TIME THE CITY HAS A ONE OF THESE MEETINGS ABOUT OHVS, IT'S OUT THERE.
SO I THINK WORD WOULD GET OUT PRETTY QUICKLY THAT WAY TOO, THAT THERE'S A-O-O-H-V SPEED LIMIT NOW ON CERTAIN ROADS.
UM, BUT THAT'S, UM, WOULD BE BY THEIR WORD OF MOUTH, UH, SIGNAGE WOULD BE THE PRIMARY ONE, RIGHT? YEAH, NOT, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, SPECIFICALLY I WAS ASKING, I UNDERSTAND THAT TO ISSUE A TICKET TAKES ONE OF OUR CHIEF'S EMPLOYEES AN OFFICER, BUT IF WE HAVE A SPEED SIGN AND IT STARTED FLASHING, CAN ANYONE ELSE FLAG THE CAR DOWN AND TELL THEM THAT THE LAWS ARE DIFFERENT NOW AND THEY'RE NOT ISSUING TICKETS, BUT THEY'RE DOING SOME EDUCATION ON? CAN THAT BE DONE WITH OTHER THAN OUR UNIFORM OFFICERS? UH, SO NO, THE ONLY, I MEAN, ANYONE CAN TRY TO WAVE SOMEONE DOWN, I GUESS.
UM, NOT WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND NECESSARILY.
UH, 'CAUSE IF THEY DON'T STOP AND HOW CLOSE THEY'RE TO THE CAR, THERE COULD BE ISSUES THERE.
BUT, UM, GENERALLY THE ONLY ONE WITH LEGAL AUTHORITY TO STOP A CAR WOULD BE A POLICE OFFICER.
ALTHOUGH WE STOP PEOPLE WITH OUR TR OUR, OUR FOLKS AT, UH, BACK AND BEYOND AT WITH GATES, YOU KNOW, WITH THOSE, RIGHT? SO WE STOP VEHICLES WITHOUT POLICE OFFICERS IN THIS CITY ALREADY IN PLACES.
SO THEY ARE ON, UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
THEY'RE NOT STOPPING THEM FOR A TRAFFIC VIOLATION.
UH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ISSUING ANY TICKETS.
UM, THEY'RE MORE LIKE CROSSING GUARDS WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIKE AT T LOCKIE POCKE WHERE YOU TEMPORARILY STOP TRAFFIC.
SO COULD BE A PART OF AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN TO STOP EVERYONE AND TALK TO 'EM, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S OE.
'CAUSE THERE'S A NEW LAW AND THESE SIGNS SAY 15 AND YOU WEREN'T DOING 15.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY GET, POLICE OFFICERS COULD BE OUT THERE GIVING WARNINGS.
UM, FOR ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE 15 MILE LAYER LIMIT, VICE MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE CHIEF.
WELL, LET'S, BEFORE WE, CAN I ASK, GO WITH THE CHIEF, YOU, YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF AS WELL, CARL? OH, THAT'S WHAT I, WHERE I WANNA GO NOW? YES, PLEASE.
SO CARL, I PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT LET'S GET THE OFFICIAL ANSWER FROM SOMEONE UNBROKEN ARROW.
WE, WE'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT ABOUT RENTAL COMPANIES AND THE RENTAL COMPANY AGREEMENTS AND SO AND SO ON.
WHAT PERCENTAGE ON A BUSY WEEKEND ARE ACTUALLY RENTAL VEHICLES AS OPPOSED TO PRIVATELY OWNED VEHICLES? SO I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO THIS STUDY WE DID WHERE WE DID IT ON A, AN OCTOBER WEEKEND ON A SATURDAY, AND WE GOT 20 OHVS.
UH, THEY ONLY CAN BE, UH, DISTINGUISHED BY HAVING A FLAG.
UM, SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO KNOW, TO BE HONEST, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE, UM, RENTAL COMPANIES OR JUST A PRIVATE WITH A FLAG.
UM, ANECDOTALLY THE RENTAL COMPANIES TELL US THAT THEY DON'T SEND THAT MANY, UH, OHVS TO MORGAN.
BUT TO BE HONEST, I, I REALLY CAN'T SAY FOR SURE BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, DENOTING THEM WITH THE FLAG IS, I DON'T THINK A SUFFICIENT ENOUGH WAY TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS A PRIVATE AND THIS IS A RENTAL.
BUT WE DO GET A MIX OF BOTH FOR SURE.
SO WE KNOW THAT THE RENTAL COMPANIES, UM, AT LEAST FROM WHAT KURT SAID, DON'T PUT RADIOS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD BE EXTREMELY NOISE PRODUCING BEYOND TIRES AND WHATEVER.
UM, WHAT IS THE ISSUE ON MORGAN, IN YOUR OPINION, AROUND, UM, NOISE THAT BEING GENERATED BEYOND THE THINGS THAT CAN BE ABATED? RIGHT.
I WOULD SAY FOR MORGAN, UH, WE DO GET A LOT OF RADIO LARGE, YOU KNOW, VERY LOUD STEREO NOISE, BUT A LOT OF IT'S JEEPS AS WELL AS OHVS, LIKE I SAID, OHVS ARE A CERTAIN, LIKE 10 TO 20% OF OUR VOLUME.
SO I THINK THERE IS A, A COMPLIMENTARY, UH, ASPECT TO THIS WHERE IF THERE IS ENFORCEMENT ON THE ROAD FOR LOUD MUSIC, THAT THAT WILL BE CAPTURED IF, 'CAUSE EVERY MOTORIZED RECREATION THAT'S GOING DOWN THE STREET, IF THEY HAVE A LOUD STEREO THAT'S GONNA CAPTURE AND SOLVE A LOUD NOISE COMING OUT
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OF JEEPS THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE OTHERWISE SOLVED WITH, UM, A LOWER SPEED LIMIT.BRIAN, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY, CARL, UH, QUESTION FOR CARL.
UH, YOUR PETITION HAS 43 OUT, 48 OF LIKE 40, END UP WITH LIKE 47, 47 OUT OF 48.
UH, WE SENT IT OUT TO LIKE OVER 50.
I MEAN, A LOT, SOME OF 'EM ARE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
I THINK WE SENT IT UP LIKE 55, UH, EMAILS.
SO THE ONES THAT THAT, THAT ARE NOT REPRESENTED IN, IN THE MAJORITY ARE, WERE THEY SILENT ON THE ISSUE? THEY WERE JUST SILENT OR THERE WAS NOT OPPOSITION TO WHAT YOU PROPOS? NO, I WOULD SAY EXACTLY.
WHAT I WOULD SAY IS NOBODY IS, NOBODY IS OUTRIGHT.
NO ONE SAID, OH, I'M WORRIED I'M GONNA GET BEHIND TO SLOW OHB.
THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON THAT I'VE TALKED TO IN MORGAN THAT SAID THAT.
AND AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHO WANT MUCH STRONGER SOLUTIONS AND FEEL THAT IF WE JUST DO THIS, THAT THAT'S GOING TO DILUTE AND WEAKEN OUR ARGUMENT TO ASK FOR OTHER THINGS.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE BIG THING IS, AND, AND, AND JUST ONE OTHER THING IN TERMS OF IF I MAY STRAY IN TERMS OF, UM, 15 MILES AN HOUR FOR ALL VEHICLES ON THE ROAD, WE DID ASK THE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE AT THE END FELT THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE.
I THINK THERE IS THAT FEELING THAT'S LIKE THE 25 IS THE NATURAL SPEED.
SO THEY WERE, THERE WERE SOME RESIDENTS THAT WERE VOCAL AND OPPOSING A BLANKET 15 FOR ALL VEHICLES, BUT THEY WERE FINE IF IT WAS JUST OHVS.
UH, CHIEF FOLEY, I KNOW YOU'RE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
ARE YOU PREPARED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES OR QUESTIONS? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNSELORS.
UM, I CAN DO MY BEST AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE I CAN, UM, FIND THE INFORMATION AND BRING IT TO YOU THE NEXT TIME.
SO THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO HANDLE THE SPEED, UH, REDUCE SPEED ENFORCEMENT, WHO WOULD ENFORCE IT, HOW WOULD YOU ENFORCE IT? AND OF COURSE THERE'LL BE MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE DAYS AS WELL, BUT CAN YOU ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE? SURE.
SO, UM, AS WE'VE TALKED PREVIOUSLY ON A GIVEN SHIFT, IT'S THREE OFFICERS AND A SUPERVISOR ON, UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH DIVIDED THROUGH THE CITY WITH ONE OFFICER BEING DESIGNATED TO THE EAST SIDE, WHICH WOULD BE MORGAN ROAD.
THERE'S ONE THAT'S MORE OUR ROVER THAT HANDLES FROM COFFEE POT TILL, UM, WE'LL SAY LESS SPRINGS AREA, ROLLING HILLS.
AND THEN THE WEST SIDE IS COFFEE POT TILL THE END OF CITY LIMITS, UM, BETWEEN THE LOOP ROADS AND THEN THE SUPERVISOR GOES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UM, BACKING EVERYBODY UP AND GOING WHEREVER MIGHT BE NEEDED.
SO IF IT'S A TWO PERSON CALL FOR SERVICE, THEN THE ADJOINING OFFICER OF THAT AREA, WHICH WE CALL BEATS, WOULD GO AND ASSIST.
SO, UM, THERE COULD BE TIMES WHERE WE ALSO HAVE COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS ON COMMUNITY SERVICE AIDS, BUT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO ENFORCE.
WE'RE GETTING READY TO SEND OUR SECOND OFFICER TO MOTOR SCHOOL IN OCTOBER, SO WE WILL FULFILL THAT SECONDARY MOTOR.
UM, SO IDEALLY MINIMALLY WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE ON TO ASSIST THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY.
SO ENFORCEMENT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO SPEED OR OTHER TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS ARE, UM, WHEN WE SEE IT ON VIEW OR WE'RE IN A SPECIFIC AREA THAT HAS A KNOWN CONCERN AND WE DO EXTRA PATROL IN BETWEEN CALLS FOR SERVICE.
SO IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO HOW WE CURRENTLY HANDLE ANY CALLS FOR SERVICE OR OTHER SPEED ISSUES OR, UM, TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS.
WE WITNESSED VICE MAYOR, SO YESTERDAY I SAW TWO VEHICLES UP AROUND IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ON 89 A AROUND THE HIGH SCHOOL, UH, JUST, UH, EAST OF THE HIGH SCHOOL STOPPING VEHICLES.
AND I KNOW YOU DO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND HAVE MORE, UH, A FOCUS ON DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I I, I SEE THAT AS I DRIVE AROUND.
SO DO YOU FEEL THAT IF WE PUT THIS INTO EFFECT INITIALLY, YOU COULD CONCENTRATE ON THAT AREA AND AS PEOPLE SAW THAT THERE WAS ENFORCEMENT, DOES THAT TEND TO INCREASE COMPLIANCE? I WOULD SAY ANYTIME YOU HAVE A NEW ORDINANCE OR ANYTHING THAT TAKES MORE FOCUS, YES, YOU'LL HAVE THAT COMPLIANCE INITIALLY, RIGHT.
UM, AND THEN AS VIOLATIONS COME IN AND WE PUT IT INTO OUR ROTATION FOR THE EXTRA PATROLS, THEN DIFFERENT AREAS AROUND
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TOWN DO GET EXTRA ATTENTION.SO I WOULD SAY THIS WOULD BE A CAMP CAMPAIGN, LIKE MOST THINGS WHERE YOU'D WANNA DO EDUCATION UPFRONT, PUT IT IN THE PAPER, YOU KNOW, DO FLYERS.
YOU'VE ALREADY DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH OUR OFF, YOU KNOW, HIGHWAY VEHICLE OWNERS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE RENTING.
BUT I THINK THAT EDUCATION WOULD NEED TO KEEP GOING.
I WOULD SUGGEST WE WOULD PUT OUT ONE OF OUR, UM, MESSAGE BOARDS, UM, AT THE FRONT OF MORGAN ROAD TO GIVE THAT UPDATE AND SENSE IF THIS WENT INTO EFFECT, YOU'D HAVE THE 60 DAYS UNTIL IT ROLLED TO THAT.
SO THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF EDUCATION UPFRONT THAT YOU WOULD TRY AND GAIN THE COMPLIANCE.
AND THEN YES, I THINK THROUGH THE FIRST FEW ENFORCEMENTS, UM, SIMILAR TO, I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE KURT'S SAID, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WORD GETS OUT, UM, AND THEN IT WOULD PROBABLY JUST KIND OF SIZZLE OUT A LITTLE BIT TO THEN BE THE REGULAR ENFORCEMENT ONCE, ONCE THAT BECAME KNOWN.
AND I WOULD, YOU DIDN'T ASK, BUT I WOULD JUST ALSO OFFER THAT, UM, KURT AND I WORK WELL TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO TALK IF YOU WENT WITH THE, THE DUAL SPEED LIMIT SIGNS, MAYBE SOME OTHER WAYS THAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN INVENTED AND IT DOESN'T NEED A REINVENTION WHEN YOU HAVE DUAL SPEED LIMIT SIGNS, HOW YOU MIGHT JUST CHANGE THE WHITE AND BLACK TO BLACK AND WHITE AND THEN HAVE SIGNAGE FOR THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT ON DIFFERENT HIGHWAYS WITH COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, SO YOU'RE REALLY NOT REINVENTING THAT PART.
AND I KNOW OF ONLY ONE AREA I CAN THINK OF THAT'S POSSE GROUNDS, THAT'S AT A PERMANENT 15 MILE SPEED LIMIT AREA DUE TO THE SCHOOL.
AND THEN UPPER RED ROCK HAS THE, DURING SESSION, THE 25 DOWN TO 15.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS IT'S ALREADY OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, TO, UM, GAIN THAT TYPE OF VISUAL ENFORCEMENT.
SO DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC CONCERNS IF WE WERE TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION? I DON'T THINK I HAVE SPECIFIC CONCERNS FOR US DOING WHAT WE KNOW WE NEED TO DO FOR ENFORCEMENT.
I, I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE MEETING YOUR EXPECTATIONS OF HOW HEAVY THAT ENFORCEMENT IS THAT WE WOULD DO IN OUR REGULAR DUTIES.
SO I'M, I'M NOT CONCERNED THAT WE COULDN'T MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND DO WHAT WE NEEDED TO ENSURE SAFETY FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
JUST MAYBE THE EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I'D WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE COULD MEET THOSE.
THANK YOU CHIEF MELISSA? I HAVE NO PROBLEM, CHIEF.
HAVE ANY OTHER ARIZONA CITIES DONE A SPEED LIMIT FOR OHVS? I KNOW OUTTA STATE, I, I CAN NAME A FEW TOWNS AND CITIES THAT HAVE DONE WORSE
UM, IN OTHER STATES, UM, CITIES, TOWNS, COUNTIES, STATES AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE FOREST SERVICE IN CERTAIN PLACES HAVE OHV SPECIFIC SPEED LIMITS.
UH, JESSICA, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF? NO, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
UH, KURT, JUST TO CLARIFY AGAIN, PLEASE, THE LOWER SPEED LIMIT WOULD OR WOULD NOT APPLY TO JEEPS? IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO JEEPS.
A JEEP IS NOT A, AN TERRAIN VEHICLE OR AN OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE.
SO THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF.
YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS AS WELL.
I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HOW YOU WERE GOING TO, UH, DO, UH, STAFFING.
UH, WELL ACTUALLY, ONE QUESTION.
SO, AND I APPRECIATE THE PART ABOUT THE EDUCATION, HOWEVER LONG THAT TAKES IF YOU PUT THE MESSAGE REPORT, BUT IF THE PROBLEM DOES GET WORSE, ARE YOU OPPOSED TO SPORADICALLY PUTTING SOMEBODY ON OVERTIME OUT THERE TO WORK AT YOU AT YOUR PLEASURE? UH, IF NEEDED? WELL, I THINK IT, IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO ANY REQUESTS THAT WE GET THAT WE COULD PUT OUT FOR, YOU KNOW, OVERTIME.
AS LONG AS THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH THE CITY.
SOME OF OUR OFF-DUTY OVERTIME REQUESTS ARE ALSO INVOICED TO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, RIGHT.
IF IT'S AN ORGANIZATIONAL NEED.
BUT IF IT'S A CITY NEED AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO CONFLICT THERE, THEN WE WOULD PUT THAT OUT.
UM, AND THEN REALLY IT'S AT THAT POINT WHO SIGNS UP FOR IT AND THAT'S FINE, BUT JUST, UH, I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU WERE OPEN TO IT, SO.
ALRIGHT, CHIEF, THANK YOU THAT I THINK THAT THAT COVERS THE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
SO, UH, LET'S OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
I HAVE ONE CARD IF ANYBODY ELSE WISHES TO ADDRESS US, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD ON THE TABLE, UH, TO YOUR RIGHT AND HAND IT TO THE CITY CLERK.
UH, GUY LAUNION, CAN'T BELIEVE THERE'S ONLY ONE CARD ANYWAY.
WELL, NOW THERE'S, THAT'S GONNA BE TWO
I'M A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF SEDONA.
MR. MAYOR COUNSEL, MR. CITY ATTORNEY STAFF, THANK YOU FOR TAKING UP THIS ISSUE.
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IS NOISE POLLUTION.SO THE, THE ISSUE IS WHY DO WE WANNA LIMIT NOISE? AND, UH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE EFFECT ON PUBLIC HEALTH.
SO THE REDUCTION OF, OF, UH, SPEED WILL REDUCE THE, YOU KNOW, ENGINE OUTPUT NOISE.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.
ACTUALLY, MY SEARCH DID FIND MANY AVAILABLE EXTERNAL MUFFLERS THAT I THINK THERE'S A RESISTANCE TO PUTTING THEM ON BECAUSE THEY INVALIDATE A WARRANTY.
SO, UM, THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION HAS SAID THAT NOISE POLLUTION IS THE SECOND MOST PUBLIC HEALTH HAZARD, ASIDE FROM ENVIRONMENTAL POLLUTION.
SO A NOISE POLLUTION IS A BIG DEAL.
UH, REMINDER, UM, UH, A SIMPLE STUDY BY ME AND DATA WAS REQUESTED.
I GOT DATA FOUND THAT, UH, PERCENTAGE, 6%, UH, OF THE RESIDENTS REPORTING, WHICH WERE LESS THAN 40, UH, SAID THEY HAD ISCHEMIC HEART DISEASE, WHICH IS WORSENED BY THIS HYPERTENSION.
29% SLEEP DISTURBANCES, 48% OF RESPONDENTS.
AND BY THE WAY, THE RESPONDENTS WERE MOSTLY PEOPLE LIVING, UH, UH, ALONG THE, UH, 89 A CORRIDOR IN TOWN.
UH, HEARING LOSS, 28% TINNITUS, WHICH IS RINGING OF THE EARS, 42% COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT, 16% ANNOYANCE, 71% ANXIETY, 52% DEPRESSION, 52%, STRESS 29% AND REDUCED QUALITY OF LIVING 61%.
SO, UH, UH, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY IN SEDONA TO, UM, DO YET ANOTHER STUDY.
THE PREVIOUS STUDIES OR AREAS REALLY OUTSIDE THE CITY.
UH, I SUGGEST WE CONSIDER, UH, A SURVEY, UM, TAKING THIS DATA, UH, TO A WIDER DEGREE TO FIND OUT, UH, AND THIS CAN, UH, ANSWER THE OVERTIME QUESTION, IS IT GETTING BETTER OR WORSE? SO THE IMPACT ON HUMAN BEINGS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
UH, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
UH, MR. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, MR. ATTORNEY, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.
UH, MADAM CLERK, DID YOU HAVE ONE MORE CARD? I WONDER WHO THAT COULD BE.
JEEP, UH, BARLOW JEEP RENTALS.
UM, NINA BARLOW, RESIDENT OF CLARKDALE, OWNER OF BARLOW JEEP RENTALS.
UM, UH, I, THIS, THE SHORT ANSWER IS WHAT CARL SAID.
SO THANK YOU CARL FOR YOUR CONTINUED WORK, UH, ON THIS.
UM, I SUPPORT A 15 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON MORGAN ROAD.
I BELIEVE IT IS A NECESSARY STEP TO REDUCE NOISE ON THIS ROAD.
WE KNOW THAT SPEED, WE KNOW THAT SPEED IS THE, THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE, THE NUMBER ONE FACTOR IN GENERAT GENERATING NOISE AND DUST, UM, FOR ALL VEHICLES.
UM, AND THAT INCLUDES OF COURSE, O HVS.
UM, THE ROAD IS ONLY HALF A MILE LONG, SO LIKE, AS CARL MENTIONED, SO A SLOWER SPEED LIMIT DOES NOT SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER RESIDENT COMMUTE.
IF YOU DID IMPLY IT TO ALL VEHICLES, UM, I AM, I'M IN THE JEEP BUSINESS, SO WE DON'T CARE EITHER WAY.
I THINK WE TELL PEOPLE, WE TELL 'EM TO GO 20.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE.
SO, UM, MY ONLY CONCERN IS THE BURDEN OF, UH, THE, THE BURDEN IT PLACES ON OUR OFFICERS ABOUT DETERMINING WHAT IS AN OHV.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR MOTORCYCLES OHVS ARE HARLEY'S OHVS.
YOU WANT YOUR HARLEY'S GOING 50 MILES AN HOUR ON MORGAN ROAD.
UM, THIS IS NOT THE ONLY STEP.
I BELIEVE THAT THE, UH, PARKING LOT REDESIGN THAT'S, UH, IN WORKS WITH THE FOREST SERVICE IS ANOTHER NECESSARY STEP TO ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC SNAGS AT THE END OF MORGAN ROAD.
THE IMPACT, THE NOISE AND CONGESTION SUFFERED BY THE RESIDENTS.
UM, HOWEVER, UM, IN DISCUSSION WITH THE FOREST SERVICE, UM, I BE ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, POTENTIALLY BANNING OHVS ALTOGETHER.
I BELIEVE THE SPEED LIMIT IS A GREAT STEP BECAUSE THE FOREST SERVICE, UM, IS, UH, OHV IS AN APPROVED ACTIVITY ON THE NATIONAL FOREST.
IF THE FOREST SERVICE FINDS THAT THERE IS A BAN ON THIS STREET THAT'S LIMITING ACCESS BY THE PUBLIC, LIMITING ACCESS,
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UH, UH, BY THE PUBLIC IS A BIG RED FLAG FOR THEM, THEN THEY WOULD VERY LIKELY LOOK AT DEVELOPING THAT TRAILHEAD FOR TRAILER PARKING.UM, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM STAY A NICE SMALL TAR TIGHT PARKING LOT.
BRIAN, IS THIS ABOUT WHAT SHE JUST SAID? 'CAUSE I, OTHERWISE I HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
WELL, WE'VE GOT THE TWO LETTERS.
WELL, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO NOW? MM-HMM,
SO LET ME JUST EXPLAIN, OR YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHAT YOU, YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR OUR RESIDENCE.
I HAVE A LETTER THAT, UH, WAS REQUESTED TO BE READ AS PART OF THE, UM, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
AND IT'S FROM DAN CANDLER, THE OPEN, OR, SORRY, THE OWNER OF OUTBACK A TV.
IT SAYS, I WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE FOR THIS MONDAY MEETING.
THAT WOULD BE THE MEETING THAT, UH, KURT WAS REFERENCING EARLIER, OR THE TUESDAY CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AND WANTED TO EXPRESS MY INTEREST IN THE OHV DISCUSSION.
PLEASE NOTE THAT I DO NOT OPPOSE A LOWER SPEED LIMIT ON MORGAN DRIVE, AND MY ONLY OPINION WOULD BE TO MAKE THE SPEED LIMIT THE SAME FOR ALL VEHICLES AND NOT JUST CERTAIN TYPES OF VEHICLES.
I THINK THIS WOULD MAKE IT LESS CONFUSING FOR ALL AND ALSO LESS SIGNAGE FOR THIS HALF MILE ROAD.
PLEASE NOTE THAT I HAVE WORKED HARD ON MEETING MY COMMITMENT ON THE SAFETY AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE OHV RENTAL COMPANIES AND PLANNING TO CONTINUE WITH WORKING TOWARD COMMON GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I HAVE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY MY UPDATE ON THE OHV AGREEMENT AND WANTED HIM TO REVIEW IT BEFORE DISTRIBUTING IT TO OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY OPINION IS AGAINST TRYING TO BAN A SMALL PORTION OF STREET LEGAL VEHICLES FROM PUBLIC ROADS OR IN OTHER PUBLIC AREAS USED FOR MOTORIZED TRAVEL.
AGAIN, THAT WAS DAN CANDLER, OWNER OF OUTBACK A TV.
THANK YOU MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR.
UH, THIS IS FROM ROB ADAMS. GOOD AF HE SENT THIS TO ALL COUNCIL PEOPLE, BUT HE REQUESTED THAT IT BE READ INTO THE RECORD.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING A DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA ABOUT THE ONGOING OHV NOISE AND DISRUPTION IN BROKEN ARROW.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE MAYOR THAT HAS BEEN DISCOVERED THAT THE FOREST SERVICE HAS A PERPETUAL EASEMENT ON MORGAN WROTE TO THE TRAILHEAD, THUS ELIMINATING THE POSSIBILITY OF AN OHV BAN ON MORGAN.
THE ENTRANCE TO MORGAN WAS CHANGED WHEN THE ROUNDABOUT WAS BUILT.
THE NEW ENTRANCE IS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL EASEMENT.
THE OHV BAN IS NOT REALLY A BAN.
IT SIMPLY REQUIRES OHVS TO BE TRAILERED.
I BELIEVE THE CITY HAS THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE TRAILERING IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IF THERE IS SIGNIFICANT DISRUPTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE FOREST SERVICE HAS BEEN DISINGENUOUS IN THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THE GSRC PROCESS.
EVEN THOUGH A GATE AT THE BROKEN ARROW TRAILHEAD WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE GSRC, THE FOREST SERVICE IS NOT INCLUDING A GATE IN THEIR NEPA PROCESS FOR THE TRAILHEAD REDESIGN.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS BEING ADVERSELY IMPACTED BY OHV TRAFFIC.
I BELIEVE IT IS THE DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO DO EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO FIND A WAY TO MITIGATE THE PROBLEM.
INSTALL A GATE PERMITTED ACCESS AT THE BROKEN ARROW TRAILHEAD.
IT WOULD MITIGATE THE IMPACTS TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS THE FOREST FLORA, FAUNA AND OTHER USERS.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE IDEA OF BANNING OHVS ON CITY STREETS? BECAUSE THE TIRES ARE UNSAFE ON ROADWAYS JUST BECAUSE LOCAL RENTAL COMPANIES ARE MAKING TOKEN GESTURES TO INSTALL TURN SIGNALS, ET CETERA.
IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE SAFETY OF THE TIRES OR ALL THE PRIVATELY OWNED OHVS THAT ARE ON OUR CITY STREETS.
I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT, BUT I REQUEST THAT MY EMAIL BE READ BY SOMEONE ON THE COUNCIL DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING.
SINCERELY, ROB ADAMS BROKEN ARROW RESIDENT.
UH, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, PERIOD AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL.
YOU HAVE, UH, COMMENTS, JESSICA? I DO SUPPORT THE 15 MILE AN HOUR FOR HVS.
I DON'T SUPPORT IT FOR ALL VEHICLES.
I THINK WE HEARD THAT THERE WERE RESIDENTS OPPOSED TO THE, TO THE 15 MILE FOR, FOR FOR VEHICLES.
AND I THINK THAT, I THINK IT, IT WOULD WORK AND I,
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I WOULD WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF ENFORCEMENT, UM, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO AND I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT.
UM, AS CARL SAID, IT WILL HELP WITH THE NOISE, I GUESS.
YOU KNOW, NOT ALL, NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO OBEY.
NOT EVERYBODY OBEYS ANYTHING, BUT SOME PEOPLE WILL, WHICH IS SORT OF AN OVERALL WIN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF 50% DO, IT'S A 50% IMPROVEMENT.
UM, AND I KNOW RESIDENTS, WE GOT A LOT OF EMAILS SAYING, WE NEED OUR BACKBONE TO GET THE FEE SYSTEM IN PLACE.
WELL, THE FOREST SERVICE ISN'T GONNA DO IT.
THEY SAY THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT BACKBONE WE NEED.
ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNEECAP 'EM? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT IN ANY CASE, RIGHT NOW WE CAN'T HAVE A A A PERMIT SYSTEM.
UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR IT.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND IT MAKES SENSE.
AND I THINK THE POLITICS OF THE FOREST SERVICE IS NOT ANYTHING WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO, TO PUSH OUR WAY THROUGH AT THIS POINT.
WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT TRANSPIRES.
UM, BUT IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO REDUCE THE NOISE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
AND IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO NOW, AND I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND DO IT.
I DON'T SUPPORT DOING A TRAFFIC STUDY ON THE 25.
I THINK IT'S A, I DON'T WANNA WASTE THE TIME OF OUR PEOPLE.
I THINK THEY HAVE PLENTY TO DO.
I, UM, 25 IS WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS ARE.
I I I REALLY THINK THE 15 MILE AN HOUR LIMIT WILL WORK FOR O HVS AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THAT.
UH, I TOO SUPPORTED DUAL CONSIDERING THE DUAL SPEED LIMIT IN THE, IN THE NEXT MEETING FOR, I THINK IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO HELP.
I THINK IT IS THE LOGICAL NEXT INCREMENTAL STEP.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S REALLY GONNA CHANGE THINGS, BUT IT MAKES SENSE TO TRY.
I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT THE FOREST SERVICE HASN'T BEEN MORE, UM, PROACTIVE IN THE INFORMATION THAT CAME OUT FROM THE GSRC AND EVERYBODY WORKING TOGETHER.
IT'S REALLY DISAPPOINTING THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN MOVEMENT ON ON THOSE ISSUES.
UM, I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT SETTING DIFFERENT SPEED LIMITS FOR DIFFERENT CLASSES OF VEHICLES ON ONE ROAD.
UH, I, I JUST DON'T, I HAVE CONCERNS THAT IT'S GOING TO CREATE AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF PASSING VEHICLES, OF IMPATIENT VEHICLES, OF RIDING CLOSE ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S BUMPER.
SOMEBODY NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY IS THAT VEHICLE GOING SO SLOWLY? ROAD RAGE.
UH, THIS IS A SMALL SECTION OF ROAD, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT APPLYING POTENTIALLY TO OTHER ROADS IN THE CITY AS WELL.
SO I AM CONCERNED, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A DATA-DRIVEN COUNCIL IN MANY ASPECTS.
YET WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT DATA STUDIES FOR HERE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR AT ANECDOTAL TESTIMONY.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT AT GOOD INSTINCTS.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE, YOU KNOW, DATA FOR ANY ROAD THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING REDUCING A SPEED LIMIT ON WHETHER IT BE FOR THE ENTIRE USAGE OF THE ROAD OR FOR A CLASS OF VEHICLE.
UM, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF PRESERVING OUR RIGHT TO REGULATE IN A MORE EASY WAY.
UH, THEREFORE I THINK THE WORDING OF THE ORDINANCE THE WAY THAT IT IS, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC DESIGNATION AT THE MOMENT, IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN GET BEHIND.
UM, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD BE HESITANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A DESIGNATION WITHOUT HAVING SOME MORE INFORMATION THAT IS, THAT IS SOME SORT OF METRIC, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN POINT TO FOR OUR REASONING FOR THE DESIGNATIONS.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, THIS FOR MORGAN ROAD, REDUCING A SPEED LIMIT SEEMS TO ME FROM WHAT'S BEEN SAID, TESTIMONY FROM THE RESIDENTS OF THEMSELVES AS REALLY BEING USED TO ADDRESS NOISE ISSUES MORE THAN THE SAFETY ISSUES.
WHAT SPEED LIMITS ARE ESTABLISHED FOR SAFETY REASONS, FOR SAFETY ISSUES? SO THIS, THERE'S A DILEMMA HERE FOR ME IN TERMS OF ARE WE USING THE RIGHT TOOL TO ATTACK THE RIGHT PROBLEM? THE PROBLEM IS NOISE.
WE'RE USING THIS TO, TO ATTACK THAT.
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INFORMATION ORDER TO SAY IF WE THINK THAT THAT'S REASONABLE TO DO.IT MIGHT BE THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S BEEN HURTING AND NEEDS SOME RELIEF.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, AS I SAID BEFORE, THE WAY THAT THIS IS WORDED, IF WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION ON ANY DESIGNATIONS SO THAT I CAN GET BEHIND THIS AS A FIRST HEARING AND I WOULD REALLY WANNA SEE MORE INFORMATION COME FORWARD IN THE SECOND READING ON THIS AND FOR BEFORE ANY DESIGNATION WOULD BE CONSIDERED.
UH, FIRST OFF, I'D WANNA, UH, RECOGNIZE THE EFFORTS FROM THE OHV RENTAL COMPANIES THAT HAVE MET WITH, UH, CITY STAFF AND, UH, A SUBGROUP OF COUNCIL A NUMBER OF TIMES OVER THE PAST YEAR.
AND WHILE WE'D STILL LOVE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, YET MORE PROGRESS AGAINST THOSE GOALS, WE'VE SEEN CERTAINLY GREAT PROGRESS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET THE DATA ON THE REDUCTION IN ROLLOVER ACCIDENTS.
I KNOW DAVE, I THINK LOOKS LIKE JIMMY LEFT, UM, UNLESS I'M MISSING THEM BACK THERE.
UM, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY, THAT THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN ROLLOVER ACCIDENTS, WHICH REALLY IS A GREAT METRIC FOR THE IMPACT OF DRIVING HOME, THE IMPORTANCE OF DRIVING THESE OHVS MORE SAFELY.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S A WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY IN THAT REGARD.
AND IT WOULD BE GREAT TO ACTUALLY SHARE THAT.
I THINK THAT'S A, A WIN FOR THE RENTAL COMPANIES TO BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AS FAR AS THIS, UH, PROPOSED SPEED LIMIT, I SUPPORT, UH, THE, THE, UH, ORDINANCE TO HAVE A OHV SPECIFIC SPEED LIMIT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THERE BEING TWO CLASSES THEN OHVS AND, AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ON PLENTY OF HIGHWAYS THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, SEMIS HAVE TO DRIVE AT A SLOWER SPEED.
LIKE I, I DON'T FIND THAT TO BE AWKWARD OR CONFUSING, SO I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA TO BRING UP THAT IT'S A QUIET ZONE AND TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE HARDER TO ENFORCE THAT ASPECT, BUT WHEN THE DAY IS DONE, SPEED LIMITS ARE, THEY'RE ON THE HONOR SYSTEM ANYWAYS.
THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH SEDONA POLICE TO GO AROUND AND, UH, AS COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON SAID, EVEN IF IT WERE 63% WERE COMPLIANT, THEN THAT'S A 63% IMPROVEMENT.
SO I THINK WE DO GO FORWARD WITH IT AND SEE HOW WELL THAT WORKS FOR US.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR ANY FURTHER DATA STUDY ON MORGAN ROAD.
IT'S BEEN DONE BY THE GSRC BY CARL.
UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S NECESSARY EITHER.
I SHARE COUNSELOR ELLA'S, UH, FRUSTRATION WITH THE US FOREST SERVICE, AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THEY COULDN'T BE HERE THIS EVENING.
MM-HMM,
OUR DISAPPOINTMENT OVER THE FACT THAT THEY'VE ESSENTIALLY DEFIED THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE GSRC TO IMPLEMENT A CAPACITY CONTROLLED PERMIT ENTRY SYSTEM.
AND I THINK THAT THAT WILL LEAD TO FURTHER DISCUSSIONS NECESSARY BY COUNSEL ON THE DEGREE TO WHICH WE'RE GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE EFFORTS THAT THE FOREST SERVICE WANTS US TO HELP THEM WITH WHEN IT COMES TO IMPROVEMENTS AT, UM, THE BROKEN AERIAL TRAILHEAD OR OTHERWISE.
I, I THINK PUSH COMES TO SHOVE IS, IS GETTING TO A POINT WHERE WE'VE GOTTA BE WILLING TO PUT OUR FOOT DOWN WITH THE FOREST SERVICE AND, UH, EX EXPECT MORE FROM THEM, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT COVERS MY LONG SET OF POINTS.
SO, SO FIRST OF ALL, UM, DISCLOSURE, UH, CARL AND I DID THE NOISE STUDIES TOGETHER, UM, ON THE GSRC.
AND, UM, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE WHETHER YOU'RE ON A DIRT ROAD, YOU'RE ON A PAVED ROAD, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, UM, AT SPEED.
AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THOSE AREAS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE DIRT ROADS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
WE HAVE PAVED ROADS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
AND SO LET'S BE REALLY CLEAR ON THAT.
UM, I DO HAVE A, A QUICK QUESTION FOR CUR THE COUNSELOR AS OPPOSED TO KURT, THE PUBLIC WORKS GUY.
SO, UM, KURT, IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT, UM, SPEED LIMITS ARE FOR SAFETY.
IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE LAW THAT SAYS SPEED LIMITS ARE ONLY ABOUT SAFETY? NO, UH, UM, IT'S TYPICALLY THE CITY'S POLICE POWER TO REGULATE SPEED LIMITS IS HEALTH AND SAFETY, UM, WHICH GO HAND IN HAND OFTEN.
SO SPEED KILLS AS THE OLD SAYING GOES.
AND SO SLOWER SPEED LIMITS ARE GENERALLY SAFER, UH, TO A, TO A LIMIT.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S CONFLICT WITH TRAFFIC GOING FASTER, UH, BUT ADDITIONALLY, UM, NOISE FROM FASTER TRAVELING VEHICLES,
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IT CREATES HEALTH ISSUES.AND THAT'S BEEN SHOWN IN NUMEROUS STUDIES, UH, INCLUDING SOME THAT WERE CITED BY MR. LAUNION TONIGHT.
SO, UH, IT CAN BE FOR HEALTH OR SAFETY, UH, REASONS TO HAVE A REDUCED SPEED LIMIT.
UM, YOU MADE MY NEXT POINT, WHICH IS THAT NOISE IS A HEALTH AND WELFARE ISSUE.
IF WELFARE IS DEFINED AS QUALITY OF LIFE, UM, REDUCE SPEED WILL REDUCE THIS ROAD NOISE.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE NOT EVERY VEHICLE THAT GOES DOWN MORGAN IS A RENTAL VEHICLE.
IT WILL NOT HAVE RE YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ABOUT REDUCED MUFFLER NOISE.
IT WON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE RENTAL COMPANIES HAVE POTENTIALLY AGREED TO.
AND WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT THE RENTAL COMPANIES, THIS IS GREAT AND I APPRECIATE IT.
AND CERTAINLY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT IN FAR WEST SEDONA AND THE CANYONS, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS, WILL REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
BUT ON MORGAN, WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY GETTING THE EDUCATION.
WE HOPE THEY'RE GETTING AT LEAST NOT UNTIL THE NEW LAW TAKES EFFECT, WHERE IN ORDER TO GET THE DECAL, THEY WILL HAVE TO PASS THE EDUCATION REQUIREMENT.
UM, SO I THINK ALL THESE THINGS SORT OF GO TOGETHER.
SO I'M IN FAVOR IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T FIGURED IT OUT OF THE REDUCED SPEED LIMIT FOR, UM, OHVS.
AND I THINK IT IS REALLY CLEAR FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN THOUGH WE CLASS JEEPS AS OHVS, BECAUSE THEY CAN GO OFF ROAD, THEY ARE NOT OHVS IN THE DEFINITION THAT, UM, WE HAVE SEEN IN THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE, WHICH IS NOT ON THE SCREEN.
SO I WANNA MAKE THAT REALLY CLEAR.
THIS IS NOT IMPACT JEEPS OR, UM, FOUR WHEEL DRIVE, UH, TRUCKS, UM, REGULAR STREET VEHICLES, UM, NOISE ABATEMENT.
I REALLY DO WANT US TO CONSIDER THE NOISE ABATEMENT PORTION OF THIS, WHICH IS A SEPARATE ISSUE FROM THE SPEED LIMIT, BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT PEOPLE WITH, YOU KNOW, REALLY LOUD RADIOS AND BOOM BOXES BLARING AND, AND THAT, ALL THAT SORT OF THING.
I'M, I'M REALLY SORRY, NINA, THAT APPARENTLY A LOT OF THESE ARE JEEPS, NOT NECESSARILY YOUR JEEPS, BUT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO, TO TALK ABOUT THAT AS NOISE AS WELL, BECAUSE THESE VEHICLES DO STOP, UM, ON THE ROAD.
THEY DO STOP SPECIFICALLY AT THE END OF MORGAN, WHERE THE ROAD TRANSITIONS FROM PAVEMENT TO GRAVEL.
THEY STOP THERE AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT PARTICULAR POINT.
UM, I TOO AM PARTICULARLY UNHAPPY AROUND WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THE FOREST SERVICE.
UM, TO BE HONEST, THE FIRST TIME I SAW THE REDESIGN, IT INCLUDED TWO GATES, ONE GATE AT THE TRAIL HEAD IN CASE THE TRAIL NEEDED TO BE CLOSED AND ONE GATE TOWARDS THE FRONT IN CASE THEY NEEDED TO CLOSE THE, THE WHOLE AREA.
LIKE WHEN WE HAD THE FIRES OUT AT SYCAMORE CANYON AND THEY HAD CLOSED, UM, THE, THE PARTICULAR FOREST OUT ON THE WEST SIDE, WHEN THEY CAME BACK AGAIN AND WE DID THE WALKTHROUGH, THERE WERE NO GATES IN THE DESIGN.
AND SO WE EVEN SAID IN, AND PINK JEEPS EVEN SAID, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU AROUND A GATE, BUT YOU GOTTA GET THE NEPA FOR THE GATE.
AND APPARENTLY THEY'VE RUN THE NEPA WITHOUT ANY GATES IN THE DESIGNS.
SO IF WE WERE TO PUT IN GATES, PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE NEPA, UM, AND THE ARCHEOLOGICAL.
SO I FOUND THAT REALLY DISAPPOINTING.
THERE'S NOTHING THE CITY CAN DO ABOUT THAT EXCEPT TO BRIAN'S POINT.
IF THEY COME TO US AND SAY, WILL YOU HELP US ADMINISTER GRANTS? WILL YOU HELP US DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO BE HARD LINED, I BELIEVE AROUND THAT, THAT WE NEED TO GET SOME RELIEF IN HERE.
AND THAT WOULD BE SOME WAY OF DOING THE RELIEF.
UM, I ALSO HAVE A, A QUESTION FOR KURT HARRIS, IF I MIGHT PLEASE.
SO, SO KURT AND, AND ACTUALLY ANDY PROBABLY, AND, AND, UM, ANNETTE, ALL OF YOU TOGETHER, UM, I TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE IS A LOT OF NOISE THAT HAPPENS AT THE VERY END OF THE PAVED ROAD.
PINK JEEPS WENT OUT A WHILE AGO AND THEY WIDENED THAT AREA.
UM, SO THAT HELPED FOR GOING IN AND OUT BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T STOPPING WAITING FOR PEOPLE COMING OUT.
HOWEVER, WHEN THEY STOP THERE, THEY THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY HAVE TO DO, YOU KNOW, TIRE ADJUSTMENTS AND ALL THIS STUFF BEFORE THEY GO OUT ON THE TRAIL AND THEY'RE NOWHERE NEAR THE TRAILHEAD.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING WE AS A CITY SHOULD CONSIDER OR COULD CONSIDER ABOUT PAVING SOME FURTHER PORTION OF THAT UNDER THE GUISE OF THE CITY SO THAT THE GRAVEL TO, UM, END OF PAVEMENT IS FURTHER IN TOWARDS THE ACTUAL PARKING AREA AND THEREFORE THE TRAILHEAD? AND THAT MIGHT HELP
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WITH THE NOISE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AT THE END OF THE ROAD.AND I'M JUST LOOKING AT CARL TO SEE IF HE AGREES AND HE'S NODDING HIS HEAD.
SO I'M JUST GONNA LEAVE THAT OUT TO YOU GUYS.
BUT BEFORE THEY ANSWER, I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH ALEX ABOUT THAT ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, SAYING ABOUT THE PAVEMENT.
RIGHT? ABOUT THE PAVEMENT AND OFFERING WITHOUT ASKING STAFF.
BUT IF THEY DID, UH, AND WE PAID FOR IT, WOULD THEY ALLOW US TO DO THAT? AND I ALSO ASKED HIM THAT WHEN WE DID THE WALK AROUND ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO, AND HE SAYS, NO, THEY DON'T WANT US TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY FEEL IT MIGHT HAVE TO BE RIPPED UP WHEN THEY DO THE EXPANSION OF THE TRAILHEAD.
THEY WANNA WAIT UNTIL THE, THE PLANS ARE DONE TOGETHER.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A STALLING TACTIC, IT MIGHT BE, BUT HE WASN'T, UH, WARM AND FUZZY ABOUT US DOING THAT FOR HIM.
WELL, I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE TIME IS BECAUSE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME THAT WILL HELP ALLEVIATE THE ISSUE.
AND THE FOREST SERVICE HAS NO INTENTION OF DOING ANY WORK OUT THERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
WE AT LEAST WOULD HAVE SEVERAL YEARS WHERE WE'VE HELPED THAT COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK THAT WE CAN ELIMINATE A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS IN THE COMMUNITY BY JUST HAVING THE PAVEMENT GO ALL THE WAY INTO THE TRAILHEAD AND HAVING THAT THE, UH, THE PAVEMENT STOP AND THE DIRT START.
AND THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PARK.
SO ALLOWING PEOPLE TO DRIVE FURTHER IN WOULD HELP A LOT, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO, BUT, UH, KURT, ANDY, THE QUESTION WAS POSED TO BOTH OF YOU.
IF THE FOREST SERVICE WAS, UH, INTERESTED.
CAN I JUST ASK, UH, THIS IS A, ARE WE, IS THE PAVED ROAD AT THE CITY LIMIT RIGHT NOW? WELL, I WAS GETTING THERE TOO.
SO THAT WAS GONNA BE MY FIRST THING WAS TO SAY WE WOULD NEED THIS, THE FOREST SERVICE TO APPROVE OUR, OUR, UH, PAVING THAT AREA.
BUT IF, IF THE TIMING, YOU KNOW, THE TIME OF YEAR WAS CORRECT AND WE HAD THEIR APPROVAL, WE COULD MOVE IN AND DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT PRETTY QUICKLY,
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD DO EASILY IN HOUSE.
UM, I WOULD PROPOSE WE WOULD JUST PUT AC MILLINGS DOWN, COMPACT, THOSE IN PLACE.
I DO KNOW IN MY EXPERIENCE IN FLAGSTAFF WITH COCONINO NATIONAL FOREST SERVICE, THEY DON'T LIKE DOING THAT IS BECAUSE THEY GRADE THE ROADS AND WHEN THEY PUT THAT DOWN, UM, THE MILLINGS CAN BE COMPACTED SO MUCH THEY CAN'T REMOVE IT WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY HAVE ON HAND.
UM, SO IT'S, IT, I KNOW THEIR ISSUE BECOMES A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
IF THEY HAVE TO TRY TO RES SLOPE IT, YOU WANT TO CROWN IN THE ROAD, THEY CAN'T DO THAT WITH THAT EQUIPMENT.
AND I KNOW THAT WAS THE CHALLENGE WE HAD, UM, WITH THEM IN THE FOREST SERVICE AROUND FLAGSTAFF.
WHAT I WOULD JUST ADD THAT WE MAY HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY HERE BECAUSE WE'D BE WORKING WITH PINK JEEP 'CAUSE THEY MAINTAIN THIS AREA, SO, AND THEY WERE VERY OPEN TO HELPING AS WELL.
IT, IT'S THE FOREST SERVICE THAT'S RESISTANT.
SO, BUT THAT GOOD FOR YOUR QUESTIONS? THAT WAS GOOD FOR MY QUESTIONS.
AND THOSE WERE MY TWO COMMENTS AS I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE DUAL SPEED LIMIT AND I WOULD ALSO BE SUPPORTIVE OF US, UM, MAKING SURE IT'S KNOWN THAT THERE IS A NOISE ORDINANCE AND IT'S QUIET AREA.
VICE MAYOR, I WANNA SAY THIS IN A RESPECTFUL WAY.
I'M DISILLUSIONED, DISMAYED, AND DISGUSTED WITH THE FOREST SERVICE AND I I THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA BE HERE TONIGHT.
DIDN'T THEY SAY THEY WERE SENDING SOMEBODY? NO, I THOUGHT THEY COULD.
ALEX COULDN'T BE HERE, BUT HE WAS SENDING ONE OF HIS STAFF PEOPLE.
WELL, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY IN THE FOREST, PER SE.
VICE MAYOR, UH, PLU AND MAYOR JALO.
WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED TO ME IS THAT THEY WERE GONNA WATCH THE, UM, VIDEO.
THANK YOU, ANNETTE, FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
I HOPE THEY WILL BE HERE FOR OUR NEXT MEETING ON THIS SUBJECT.
I'M COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUEST OF THE COMMUNITY, AND FRANKLY, I WILL.
HAD WE NOT RECEIVED DOCUMENTS THAT DIDN'T EXIST AND NOW EXIST ABOUT THE PATENT ON THE ROAD, I WOULD'VE BEEN COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE OF BANNING OHVS ON THIS ROAD.
BUT I GUESS WE CAN'T, SO WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT WE CAN DO.
AND I THINK THAT, I THINK MY, WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN WHEN WE REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT IS THAT PEOPLE WILL GO,
SO THAT MIGHT IN AND OF ITSELF REDUCE THE
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TRAFFIC THERE BECAUSE YOU COULD DRIVE ON ANOTHER ROAD AND GO 25 MILES AN HOUR.WHY DO YOU WANNA GO TO ON MORGAN ROAD? UH, AND I AM JUST SO UPSET ABOUT THIS, REALLY.
I, I FEEL LIKE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN UNDER SUCH A SEVERE STRAIN FOR SO MANY YEARS, AND I APPRECIATE CARL AND, AND YOUR NEIGHBORS, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE TO KEEP UP, YOU KNOW, JUST TO MOVE FORWARD DESPITE ALL THE STOPS AND STARTS AND, UH, WHATEVER WE CAN DO.
IT'S VERY HIGH ON MY PRIORITY LIST.
AND SO I'M COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE OF, OF MOVING FORWARD.
I'M GONNA START OFF WITH THE RENTAL COMPANIES.
WHEN WE STARTED THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION, MAYBE 18 MONTHS AGO, THERE WAS A LOT OF RESISTANCE.
AND AS THE MEETINGS WENT ON, WE STARTED TO WORK TOGETHER AND TOGETHER AND TOGETHER.
AND I THINK THAT THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WAS BUILT WAS, IT SPOKE VOLUMES OF THEIR COMMITMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE IN THEIR OWN WAY TRIED TO HELP.
ONE COMPANY HAS A, YOU KNOW, THEIR ISSUES WITH THEIR VEHICLES.
THE OTHER HAS A, A PROBLEM WITH THEIR VEHICLES, BUT THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER TO DO WHAT THEY COULD.
AND THAT IS GREAT TO DO TO SEE.
AND I KNOW THAT THEY'VE WORKED REALLY HARD AND I, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT.
UH, I'M, I, I TOO AM VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THE FOREST SERVICE.
UM, THEY SIGNED ON TO THE GSRC TO BE A PARTNER.
AND THEY, I THINK THEY WERE HERE AT A MEETING AND THEY SAID, UH, HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS, AND THEY SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES FROM SET UP BY THE GSRC.
AND I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS REALLY POOR.
UM, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS WITH BROKEN ARROW FOR EIGHT YEARS, GOING TO MEETINGS, HEARING THIS, THE TALK, UH, AND THE, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN IGNORED BY THE FOREST SERVICE.
AND I FEEL THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM TO COME UP WITH THIS.
WHETHER IT'S, IT'S NOT THE ANSWER, NOT THE BEST ANSWER.
IT'S MAYBE ONE OF THE ANSWERS.
BUT, UH, I FEEL THAT WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMITMENT THAT THE CHIEF GAVE TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF WORKING HER STAFF TO TRY TO DO HER BEST, UH, THAT MEANS A LOT.
AND I THINK IT'LL MEAN A LOT TO THE PEOPLE ON MORGAN ROAD.
AND, UM, IT'S, I THINK IT'LL MAKE, IT'LL BE A START.
IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEY'RE JUST SIGNS THEY COULD, WE COULD REPEAL IT AS WELL.
BUT I HOPE, I DON'T THINK IT WILL COME TO THAT.
UH, BUT IT COULD IF IT, IT DOESN'T WORK.
BUT THIS IS A GOOD TEST FOR THE REST OF THE CITY, AND I THINK IT'S A TEST THAT WE, THAT WE NEED TO GO WITH.
UH, I BELIEVE THE GATE IS THE ANSWER.
ULTIMATELY, THAT'S THE ANSWER.
AND WHY THE FOREST SERVICE IS SO RESISTANT TO PUT THE GATE IN AND THE, UM, THE LIMITING OF THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES ALSO, BOTH WERE SUPPORTED BY THE GSRC, THE GATE AND A PERMITTING SYSTEM.
I, I, I, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT I'M SURE ALEX IS WATCHING, AND AARON, THEY'RE WATCHING, AND MAYBE THEY'LL TAKE A CUE FROM US THIS TIME.
SO I WOULD SUPPORT THE REDUCED, UH, SPEED LIMIT AS WRITTEN.
NOT FOR ALL CARS, NOT FOR ALL VEHICLES.
JUST FOR THE O THREE, THE DUAL NUMBERS, I THOUGHT THE CHIEF WAS REALLY INNOVATIVE BY TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT COLOR SIGNS, IF THAT'S LEGAL.
THE CURRENT SIGNS ARE BLACK LETTERING ON WHITE BACKGROUND.
IF WE COULD DO THE REVERSE, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA, AS LONG AS IT COULD BE, IT'S LEGAL AND IT COULD BE ENFORCED.
SOMETHING TO GET THE ATTENTION.
I ALSO APPRECIATE THE CHIEF SAYING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE, UH, THE ELECTRONIC SIGNS, THE ELECTRONIC SPEED SIGNS UP THERE.
I I THINK THAT EVERYBODY'S WORKING TOGETHER, ENGINEERING'S WORKING TOGETHER, PDS WORKING TOGETHER.
OTHER STAFF AND LEGAL ARE WORKING TOGETHER.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA AND A START.
SO, UH, THIS IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR, UH, A MOTION, RIGHT? THIS IS GONNA MOVE FORWARD, UH, TILL OCTOBER, NOVEMBER.
THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND COUNSELORS.
SO I THINK WE'VE GOT THE DIRECTION WE'LL MOVE THIS FORWARD AND WE SHOULD BE BACK THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER.
UM, UNLESS THAT MEETING'S UP KIND OF BUSY, THEN MAYBE THE SECOND MEETING, BUT MOST LIKELY THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER.
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MELISSA SUKER.UM, THAT'S TRUE FOR THE SPEED LIMIT, BUT SOME OF US HAVE ASKED US HAVE ASKED ALSO AROUND QUIET ZONE AND OH YEAH.
AND THAT'S NOT REALLY PART OF THIS ORDINANCE AT ALL.
WE CAN, UH, STAFF WILL DISCUSS THE, THAT RIGHT AWAY.
UM, SOME, MAYBE SOME APPROPRIATE SIGNERS FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN LOOKING AT ENFORCEMENT FROM PD AS WELL.
SO THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR THIS.
WE WILL NOW TAKE A BREAK AND WE'LL SEE YOU IN 20 MINUTES.
[8.c. AB 3106 Discussion/possible action regarding a contract change order with Fann Contracting, Inc. for the Forest Road Connection Project in the approximate amount of $1,474,527.]
ITEM CAB 31 0 6.UH, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A CONTRACT CHANGE ORDER FOR FAN CONTRACTING, INC.
FOR THE FOREST ROOT CONNECTION PROJECT IN THE APPROXIMATE AMOUNT OF 1 MILLION 474 5 27.
WHO MIGHT THAT, THAT, WHO'S GONNA GIVE THE, UH, WHO PRESENTATION? WILL IT BE NON-LEGAL? KURT WILL BE GIVING, GIVING ONE, YES.
I'M GONNA BE TALKING MORE THEORETICAL ON QUESTIONS.
IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY DIRECT QUESTIONS, BOB'S GONNA ANSWER.
SO KEEP YOUR QUESTIONS A YES OR NO.
SO YOU'RE GONNA START THE PRESENTATION.
BOB'S GONNA START THE PRESENTATION, AND THEN YOU'LL JUST ANSWER THE THEORETICAL.
DO YOU WANT ME TO START? GO FOR IT, BOB.
SO WE, WE ALL ASSUME YOU GUYS READ THE AGENDA.
BILL, IS THERE ANY OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS? WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ASK WHY WE'RE GOING THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE'LL JUST USE THESE PICTURES TO KINDA SHOW YOU WHERE THE PROXIMITY OF WHERE YOUR QUESTIONS ARE, IF THEY ARE, IF THEY'RE WHERE THEY'RE COMFORTABLE, THAT'LL BE GOOD.
CHANGE ORDER 11 HAS TO DO MAINLY WITH FOUR DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.
ONE IS THE, UH, UH, SOIL NAILING COMPONENT, UH, A MOBILIZATION CHARGE THAT ACTUALLY GOES BACK TO CHANGE ORDER THREE TIME WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS PROJECT BACK IN SEPTEMBER, AND THEN A JOINT TRENCH INCREASED IN, IN THE COST.
THOSE ARE THE THREE BIG COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH CHANGE ORDER 11 THAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR.
SO, UH, AGAIN, REAL QUICKLY OVERVIEW OF, UH, WHERE WE ARE IN THE CONSTRUCTION, ROUGHLY 70% COMPLETE IN THE CONSTRUCTION, EARTHWORK IS 95% COMPLETE.
UH, THE EXTENSION OF SANITARY SEWERS IS NEAR IN COMPLETION AT THIS POINT.
AND RETAINING WALL COMP CONSTRUCTION IS MORE OR LESS COMPLETE AT THIS TIME.
UH, OUR UPCOMING WORK STILL STANDS AT UTILITY EXTENSIONS, SOME SOIL NAILING, AND THE ROADWAY CORRIDOR DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
UH, WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TONIGHT RELATIVE TO, UH, ONE OF THE FOUR ASPECTS I, I PRESENTED WAS, IS A SOIL NAILING THAT IS A VERY SUBSTANTIAL COST ASSOCIATED WITH CHANGE ORDER 11.
UH, WHAT YOU DIDN'T SEE, WE HAD, WE HAD ROCK BOLTING ORIGINALLY IN THIS, IN THIS CONTRACT DOWN AT THIS LOCATION, WHICH IS DOWN NEAR THE ENTRANCE FOR 89 A WHERE FOREST ROAD COMES IN.
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN IS A PICTURE OF THE SLOPE IN PART WHERE THE SOIL NAILING WILL NOW GO.
UH, WE HAD, UM, AS A RESULT OF THE EXCAVATION, WE HAVE FOUND, UH, UNDERLYING CONDITIONS THAT WEREN'T REFLECTIVE OF ROCK BOLTING.
WE CALLED IN THE GEOTECH TECHNICAL ENGINEER TO ASSESS THE SITUATION.
AND IT WAS DEMISED THAT, UH, ROCK BOLTING WOULD NOT BE A FEASIBLE, UM, APPLICATION HERE, AND THAT WE WOULD U NEED UTILIZE A, UH, A ROCK OR SOIL NAILING APPLICATION.
UH, THE SOIL NAILING APPLICATION IS MORE COSTLY BECAUSE IT REQUIRES MORE, UH, SOIL NAILS AND GO OUT, GO, UH, GROUTING.
SO WE'LL HAVE ROUGHLY, I THINK, UH, TWICE AS MANY SOIL NAILS AND GROUTING THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE WITH THIS APPLICATION OVER THE ROCK BOLTING.
UM, THE MOBILIZATION, AS I SAID, HAD TO DO WITH, UH, FAN RE-ENGAGING ON THIS PROJECT BACK IN SEPTEMBER.
WE HELD BACK ON THIS MOBILIZATION FEE.
UH, AT THAT TIME, UH, UH, CHOOSING INSTEAD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME OF THE OTHER WORK THAT, UH, WAS MORE PRESSING AT THIS, AT THE, AT THAT START OF THE PROJECT IN SEPTEMBER.
UH, IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL COST AND IS REFLECTIVE OF THE 17% INFLATIONARY COSTS THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED BACK IN THE START OF
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THIS PROJECT.UH, THE JOINT RETCHING, EXCUSE ME, IS, UH, ADDITIONAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH RELOCATING A PS AND OPTIMUM UTILITIES.
UM, I WON'T GET INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL ON THAT, BUT, UM, UH, PART OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE OVERHEAD LINE THAT, UH, WAS RELOCATED.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE, UNFORTUNATELY, WE CANNOT GO BACK IN THE SAME LOCATION WITH THE UNDERGROUND A PS AT THAT, WHERE IT WAS GOING DEEPER.
UH, SO THEY WILL BE GOING IN THE ROADWAY.
UM, WE PLAN FOR, UH, A JOINT TRENCH COSTS IN, IN THE BIDDING ON THIS PROJECT, UH, HALF EXPECTING THAT PERHAPS THE UTILITY COMPANIES MIGHT FIND FAVOR TO UTILIZE THAT COST AND INSTALL, UH, DRY UTILITIES IN, IN THAT AREA.
MM-HMM,
SO WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH UTILIZING THAT JOINT TRENCH FOR OPTIMUM AND A PS RELOCATION, UTIL RELOCATION THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR SERVICES.
SO, UH, THERE IS A, UM, SMALL COST ASSOCIATED WITH PROCESSING SOME MATERIAL ON, ON THE PROJECT AND EXPORTING IT TO ANOTHER PROJECT THAT IT WILL BE UTILIZED IN THE CITY.
THIS WAS A, UH, RELATIVELY MINOR COST, AND IT'S MORE OR LESS IN LINE WITH THE SAME COST THAT WE HAVE FOR EXPORTING THE MATERIAL.
I THINK FAN GAVE US A DECENT NUMBER ON THIS, AND BECAUSE IT WAS EXPORT BEING USED IN ANOTHER PROJECT TO SAVE THAT OTHER PROJECTS OF MONEY, THE, UH, BALANCE WILL COME OFF OF THE EXPORT COSTS, UH, QUANTITIES IN FOREST ROAD PROJECT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I HAPPY TO TRY AND ANSWER THEM.
ANY QUESTIONS? THAT'S ON MY LEFT.
PETE? UH, THERE WAS A, A QUESTION THAT I HAD EARLIER SORT OF GOT THE ANSWER, BUT SORT OF THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THIS ADDITIONAL WORK RELATIVE TO WHAT, DID YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE WITH THE ADDITIONAL NAILING AND YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE, THE SOIL NAILING? YEP.
SO THE, THE COST AND OR THE COLOR OF THE SOIL NAILING AS WELL AS THE AESTHETICS ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT.
UM, IN THIS AREA, THE COLOR, IT WAS DECIDED TO UTILIZE A COLOR THAT IS MORE OR LESS THE SAME COLOR AS THE EXPOSED MATERIAL DOWN THERE ON THE SLOPE.
THAT SOIL, SOIL NAIL WALL WILL COME UP ROUGHLY 10 FEET VERTICAL AND WILL TIE BACK INTO THE EXISTING SLOPE.
UM, OUR VISION IS TO TRY AND BLEND THAT INTO THE EXISTING COLOR OF THE MARK THAT'S EXPOSED IN THAT LOCATION.
THE TEXTURE, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DID NOT PLAN FOR ANY SPECIAL DESIGN OR, OR, OR, UH, SCULPTING OF THE GOODNIGHT.
SO THE TEXTURE WILL BE AN UNFINISHED GOODNIGHT FINISH, WHICH I WILL TRY TO SAY IS, IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE ON THE, UM, LIKE A, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? ORANGE, ORANGE COATING ON A WALL THERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF GOT THAT RELIEF ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO IT'S, IT'S A ROUGH TEXTURE.
ON THIS SIDE, ANY QUESTIONS AND WAY IN? OKAY.
I THINK WHAT, WHAT BOB'S ESSENTIALLY SAYING IS IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE YOUR STANDARD SHOT CRE.
UM, LUCKILY IT'S, IT'S A FRACTION OF THE HEIGHT OF THIS TOTAL SLOPE, UM, EMBANKMENT AREA.
ALSO, IF, IF THE AESTHETIC OF THIS IS NOT ONCE COMPLETE, IF IT'S NOT TO THE LIKING OF THE, THE CITY COUNCIL OR EVEN OUR STAFF
UM, IT, IT WAS A MATTER OF COST, SO TO SPEAK, BUT YOU CAN, UM, WHAT I'LL SAY IS STRIKE YOU IN DIFFERENT DESIGNS INTO THE SURFACE OF THE GUNITE ITSELF, UH, REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT MORE GUNITE DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SCULPT, BECAUSE WE STILL NEED TO HAVE THE COVER ON THE REBAR UNDERNEATH THAT, UM, UM, WOULD HELP SUPPORT THAT GUNITE.
THANK YOU MAYOR BOB, IT'S CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 11.
IS THERE GONNA BE A 12, A 13? LIKE HOW MUCH MORE RISK, HOW MUCH MORE EXPOSURE DO WE HAVE TO THIS THING GETTING YET MORE EXPENSIVE? YES.
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AND VICE MAYOR ECHOED THAT I THINK THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, AND HERE I AM BACK AGAIN WITH AAND I'D LIKE TO SAY IN, UH, IN, IN ENDEARING MANNER THAT I'M HOPING THAT THIS IS THE LAST ONE.
UH, WE DO NOT, UH, TRY TO DEVELOP THESE CHANGE ORDERS, ET CETERA.
AND IN FACT, WE TAKE EVERY EFFORT TO SAVE MONEY WHEREVER WE CAN ON THIS PROJECT.
AND INDEED, WE STARTED OUT FROM THIS THROUGH THE WHOLE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, TRYING TO DO VALUE ENGINEERING ON THIS PROJECT.
IN FACT, DOWN IN THIS SAME AREA, WE WERE LOOKING AT COST DOWN IN THIS AREA FOR THE SLOPE CUT, AND WE WERE DEALING WITH NUMBER OF 2.1 MILLION.
SO WE LOOKED AT FOUR DIFFERENT AL VALUE ALTERNATIVES DOWN THERE AND ACTUALLY SETTLED ON A FIFTH ONE, WHICH WAS THE ROCK BOLTING AFTER WE BROUGHT IN THE GEOTECH FOR A SECOND ROUND.
BUT, BUT IT CAME BACK AND CAME INTO LESS THAN A MILLION.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE HISTORY I'M ASKING FUTURE CRYSTAL BALL.
SO CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS LIKE PERCENTAGE COMPLETE ON THE MAJOR COMPONENTS? THERE YOU, YEP.
SO 95% ON EARTH WORK, 80 ON SANITARY SEWER, 90 ON RETAINING WALL.
SO HOW MUCH RISK IS LEFT WHEN WE'RE AT THOSE KINDS OF PERCENTAGES? I MEAN, ARE, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE CHANCES OF US FACING ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS OF A CHANGE ORDER? 12.
SO WE, WE'VE HAD SOME, UM, SOME CHANGES, UM, MORE RECENTLY THAT AREN'T PART OF THIS THAT WILL BE COVERED BY THE ENGINEER, UM, THAT WERE, THAT WERE ERRORS, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR, RIGHT? NO.
SO WE, WE ENGINEERED NOT TO HAVE THE CHANGE ORDERS, OF COURSE, BUT, UH, AND, AND EVERYTHING IS NEGOTIATED.
SO, AND FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT, IF WE DIDN'T AGREE WITH DOING THE SOIL NAILING, FOR INSTANCE, WHAT'S THE RISK? WHAT WELL, LIKE NOT FINANCIAL RISK NOW? WELL, I GUESS THERE WOULD BE, BUT WHAT'S THE ACTUAL USAGE RISK TO THE ROAD, TO THE ROAD? WELL, THERE IS A RISK, UH, FOR, FOR THAT PARTICULAR SLOPE IN THAT AREA BECAUSE IT IS STEEP THAN ONE TO ONE AT THAT LAST, THOSE LAST 10 FEET.
SO WE DO EXPECT SOME HILLSIDE EROSION COMING OFF THAT SLOPE.
AND ULTIMATELY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IT WOULD GET TO THAT 10 FOOT AREA AND, AND MORE OR LESS CREATE A GULLY.
WE DO HAVE A ROCKFALL, ROUGHLY A 10, 12 FOOT ROCKFALL AREA IN THERE THAT WOULD COLLECT THAT DEBRIS AND SEDIMENT AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CLEANED OUT FROM TIME TO TIME.
MELISSA? MELISSA, BRIAN ASKED MY QUESTION, VICE MAYOR, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ONE GOES TO ANDY, I DON'T WANNA SEE OPTIONS FOR COUNCIL, I DON'T WANNA SPEND MORE MONEY ON THIS PROJECT.
SO THE AESTHETIC IS IMPORTANT.
CAN WE GET A VIEW OF WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE? WELL, SO LIKE I SAID, OUT OF A 60 FOOT CUT SECTION, IT'S THE BOTTOM 10 FEET.
UM, IT'S GONNA LOOK SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE ON O AND B, THAT THAT WAS ALSO A SHOT CRETE KIND OF A APPLICATION.
IT'S GONNA BE SIMILAR TO THAT.
UM, BOB AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT A LOT OF TIMES ON THESE PROJECTS, WE START, START OFF WITH WHAT WE'VE SPECIFIED AS A SEDONA RED COLOR AND THE SUN BLEACHES THAT.
SO I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT OVER TIME IS COMING BACK AND REAPPLYING A STAIN, FOR INSTANCE, TO MAINTAIN THAT DARKER RED COLOR.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, ON, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY WE'RE INTENDING FOR THE, THE COLOR OF THIS APPLICATION TO BLEND INTO THE NATURAL DIRT AND ROCK ADJACENT TO THAT IMPROVEMENT, WE WANT TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THAT OVER TIME SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT TO HELP MAINTAIN THAT AESTHETIC A LITTLE BETTER.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
WHAT ARE THE LESSONS LEARNED ABOUT THIS FOR THE FUTURE? BECAUSE WE HAD UTILITIES THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW EXISTED.
WE HAD DELAYS BECAUSE OF THE RELOCATION.
ALL THAT WAS ON US, NONE OF THAT WAS ON THE, ON A PS OR OPTIMUM OR WHOEVER CENTURY TELL WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE SO THAT TO THE DEGREE POSSIBLE, WE CAN MITIGATE THIS IN ADVANCE.
I, I MIGHT TRY TO LEAD US OFF AND FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN.
I KNOW THAT KURT AND HIS STAFF HAVE GOTTEN WITH A PS AND OTHER UTILITIES
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AND WE'VE, WE'VE TYPICALLY HAD A QUARTERLY MEETING WITH THEM TO GET AHEAD OF THESE ISSUES ON ALL OF OUR PROJECTS.AND SOME OF THOSE UTILITIES HAVEN'T BEEN WELL ENGAGED.
THEY, SOME OF THEM HAVEN'T EVEN SHOWN UP TO THOSE MEETINGS.
KURT AND HIS, HIS, UH, STAFF HAVE RECENTLY GOTTEN WITH THESE, SOME OF THESE UTILITIES THAT HAVE HAD ISSUES SPECIFICALLY ON THIS PROJECT AND LET THEM KNOW THAT WE EXPECT BETTER COOPERATION, BETTER COORDINATION, BETTER PREPARATION FOR OUR PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEY'VE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF KURT, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT OR NOT.
UM, COUNSELOR, WE HAVE A QUARTERLY MEETING WITH ALL UTILITIES COMPANIES AND THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY ALLOWED THAT TO BE REMOTE IN ORDER TO GET MORE ENGAGEMENT AND PARTICIPATION.
REGRETTABLY, THAT WASN'T TO OUR, OUR EXPECTATIONS.
SO LIKE ANDY MENTIONED, WE ESCALATED AND THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT COMMITMENT TO THEIR UPPER MANAGEMENT.
AND WHAT I'M DOING LONG TERM WISE WITH OUR NEW GIS, WE'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND PUT, UM, A LOT OF THESE UTILITIES ON A GS LAYER WITH INNER CITY LIMITS.
UM, WE'RE GONNA ACTIVELY WORK WITH THEM AND OUR STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WORKS WITH OUR AZ, UM, 8 1 1, THEIR BLUE STAKE.
SO WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE REAL TIME UPTODATE DATA FOR OPERATORS AND EVERYBODY TO KNOW WHERE OUR LINES ARE.
THERE'S A BIT OF DISCREETNESS BECAUSE THOSE ARE UTILITY LINES, SO THEY WANT 'EM TO BE SECURED.
NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE ACCESS.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO IMPLEMENT LIKE IN A, UM, IN A, AN ACCREDITATION FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
BUT THOSE ARE THE KIND OF EFFORTS WE'RE WILLING TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
AND WE GET SMARTER AS WE GO IN THE CONTINU IMPROVEMENT PROCESS.
AND WHAT ABOUT KIMBERLY HORN? I MEAN, SHOULD THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THESE THINGS IN THEIR DESIGN WORK? THEY'RE ONLY AS GOOD AS WHAT THE UTILITY, UH, COMPANIES, UM, MARK OUT AND LOCATE AND WITH THE INFORMATION THEY HAVE.
THE CHALLENGE IS IT'S AN OLDER TOWN UNINCORPORATED.
A LOT OF THESE UTILITY COMPANIES DO NOT KNOW WHERE THEIR, UH, UM, LINES ARE.
SO THAT'S PART OF THAT DISCOVERY PROCESS.
UM, I GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF RANGER STATION PARK.
UM, WE DID HAVE CO CHANGE ORDERS IN THAT AND WE DID HAVE BUSTS UP ON THE DESIGN ENGINEER.
FORTUNATELY WE DID THAT IN-HOUSE.
THAT PROJECT WOULD'VE WENT WAY OVER BUDGET.
UM, BECAUSE WE ABSORBED THAT WITHIN THAT, UH, OF ALL THE SEPTIC TANKS AND LEACH LINES AND THINGS THAT WE DID NOT FIND, WE DON'T GO OUT AND DO GROUND PENETRATING RADAR TO LOOK FOR THAT.
IT'S JUST TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THE COST BENEFITS.
SO THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME UNKNOWNS THAT WE FOUND.
SO WE'RE CONTINUALLY TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
THERE'S NOT JUST THIS PROJECT, IT SEEMED LIKE A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS, WE'VE HAD UTILITY CONFLICTS.
SO WE'RE ACTIVELY ENGAGING WITH THEM TO IMPROVE OUR PARTNERSHIP.
SO THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
YOU MIND IF I CHIME IN ON THIS? YEAH, SURE.
SO YEAH, THE U UTILITY COMPANIES WERE ENGAGED ON THIS PROJECT FROM THE START, UH, FEASIBILITY RIGHT ON THROUGH FULL DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
UH, I THINK WHAT WAS SAID HERE RELATIVE TO COORDINATING WITH THE UTILITIES BETTER COORDINATION IS SOMETHING THAT IS DEFINITELY NEEDED.
UM, THERE SEEMS, AND AND YOU CAN SAY, YOU CAN SAY IT'S, IT WAS COVID.
I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON.
PEOPLE WEREN'T WORKING, THERE WAS NO SENSE OF URGENCY FROM A PS WHILE WE NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD.
THEY DID NOT SHARE THAT SAME, UH, SENTIMENT.
SO, UH, THERE WAS SOME LACK OF, UM, I'LL SAY DESIGN EFFORT ON THE PART OF THE UTILITY COMPANIES, ET CETERA.
BUT, UM, YEAH, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT, UH, I THINK WE DID RIGHT.
AND THERE'S SOME THINGS ON THE UTILITY COMPANY SIDE THAT THEY NEED TO DO BETTER AT.
SO, WELL, WE HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH A PS AT HIGHER LEVELS, SO DON'T BE AFRAID TO, YOU KNOW, BRING US IN EARLY.
RIGHT? AND, AND ACTUALLY THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT ESCALATION WAS SOMETHING THAT DID HAPPEN AND IT DID GET TO MY LEVEL AND I BROUGHT IN FOLKS, UM, ON A HIGHER LEVEL AT A PS AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS CONTINUED MOVING.
BUT IT CERTAINLY TOOK THAT ESCALATION TO GET THINGS BACK IN GEAR WHEN WE WERE HAVING, UH, CHALLENGES WITH COORDINATION.
SO, TO TAKE ON AT THAT POINT, WOULD IT BE FEASIBLE TO BRING THOSE SAME PEOPLE BACK? 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT COMMITTED OR RESPONSIBLE TO PAY THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN OVERAGES THAT WE HAVE
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TO INCUR BECAUSE OF THEM.WOULD IT PAY TO BRING THEM BACK? AND I MEAN, THE COUNCIL HAS CONTACT, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, IF WE GO AS HIGHER AS YOU, BUT MAYBE WE GO HIGHER THAN YOU TO HAVE A SIT DOWN AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE SALES TAX MONEY THAT WE HAD TO SPEND BECAUSE OF THESE ISSUES.
HOW CAN THEY MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN IN THE FUTURE? BECAUSE I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ISSUES AROUND TOWN WITH HOMES THAT, UH, THEY WERE ON HOLD.
I KNOW A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES IN TOWN THAT THEY WERE WAITING A YEAR TO GET A POWER LINE RUN.
THEY MAY HAVE REASONS TO TO DO THAT.
THAT TIMEFRAME MAY BE UP TO THEM, BUT THEY'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO REALLY WORK WITH US.
THEY DO IT AT THEIR PACE, AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
ONLY WHEN THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY THEN, AND THEY'RE UNDER THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT, BUT THEY'RE NOT, IN THIS CASE, IN THIS CASE, MOST OF THE FOREST ROAD WORK WAS OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IN, IN EASEMENT AREAS.
SO WE, THEY WEREN'T UNDER A FRANCHISE AGREEMENT.
THEY, THEY WEREN'T UNDER A FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WEREN'T.
SO IF WE CAN GO BACK TO MY POINT, IF, UH, OUR LEADERSHIP TEAM CAN NOW BRING UP PEOPLE FROM, UH, AP PS AND SAY, YOU COST US $2 MILLION AND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY TO THAT.
WHAT CAN YOU DO IN THE FUTURE? LET'S SEE IF THEY EVEN CARE.
OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA GIVE US A DIME BACK, BUT I MEAN, RIGHT.
BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WHETHER THE, UH, CORPORATION COMMISSION GET, WILL GET INVOLVED AND SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU CAN'T GO AROUND DOING THAT TO CITIES AND TOWNS WHERE THEY HAVE TO SPEND UNGODLY AMOUNT OF MONEY IN OVERAGES ABOVE THEIR BUDGET.
I COULD UNDERSTAND IF YOU FOUND SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IN THE GROUND THAT WASN'T THERE, THIS IS SOMETHING THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN AND THEY, THEY DIDN'T, WELL LET THEM EAT IT.
BUT WHAT WAS THE TIMEFRAME THAT WAS LOST WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT LEFT AND THEY TOOK THEIR SWEET TIME OF MARKING OUT OR CHANGING OR RELOCATING THE POWER LINE? HOW MUCH TIME DID WE LOSE? AND THAT ALL COST US MONEY, LET ALONE WHAT IT'S COSTING IT.
NOW, SOME, SOME OF THE TIME THAT WAS LOST, AS I RECALL, BOB, YOU CAN CERTAINLY REFRESH MY MEMORY, BUT I KNOW A PORTION OF THAT HAD TO DO WITH, UH, DURING THE TIME THEY WERE FIGHTING FIRES AND THEY WERE HAVING TO BE UNDER EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO OKAY.
AND WHILE WE ASKED FOR THEIR COOPERATION, WE COULD ONLY GET SO FAR WITH THAT.
BUT STILL, IT WAS MORE THAN WHAT, SIX MONTHS THAT THE JOB WAS PUT ON HOLD BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T COME AND RELOCATE THE CABLES, THE OVERHEAD CABLE.
IT WA IT WAS MORE THAN JUST A PS TOO, THOUGH.
IT WAS AP PS GAS, UM, CENTURYLINK OPTIMUM, IT WAS KIND OF ALL OF 'EM.
THEY WERE IN THE GROUND TOO WITH THE ELECTRIC LINE.
THERE WAS QUITE A SPAGHETTI BOWL YOU MIGHT SAY, OF UTILITIES THROUGHOUT THIS CORRIDOR.
YEAH, THERE'S SOME TOUGH AREAS, BUT YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'VE GOT THEIR PRIORITIES AND THEIR PRIORITIES AREN'T OUR PRIORITIES.
I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GETTING BETTER AT WHAT, WHAT WE NEED TO DO THERE.
SO, UM, BUT BOB, WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE GETTING BETTER, I BELIEVE YOU'RE GETTING BETTER, BUT YOU'RE, YOU CAN'T GET BETTER WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE GROUND.
AND IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE GROUND, THEY MISINFORMING YOU.
YOU CAN GET AS BETTER, GOOD, BETTER AS BEST AS YOU WANT.
YEAH, ACTUALLY WE, WE DID A LEVEL A SURVEY FOR THE UTILITY.
SO WE HAD PRETTY GOOD PROFILE INFORMATION OF WHERE THE UTILITIES LIE, AND WE SHARED THAT WITH THEM EARLY ON AND, UM, IT, IT JUST DIDN'T, DIDN'T RESONATE.
PART OF THIS QUARTERLY MEETING IS, SO WE SHARE WITH THEM OUR PLANS, OUR SCOPING, AND THEN ONCE WE GET AT 30%, THEY'RE VERY, UH, RUDIMENTARY, BUT AT 60 AND 90%, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GONNA HOLD IN OUR MEETINGS ACCOUNTABLE AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SIGN OFF THAT THEY HAVE TO TELL US THAT THEY'VE REVIEWED 'EM AND GOT INPUT.
IT'S NOT JUST A PS, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY HAD A BIG BUST ON US ON OUR SIM ONE B, AND THAT'S THE SECOND TIME THAT THEY'VE HAD A PROBLEM OR WE'VE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THEM.
THE NORTHBOUND 89 A FOR THE SHARED USE PATH.
THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT AS WELL.
SO WHAT I OFFER IS IF WE DO GET, UM, WE DO GET RESISTANCE, IF WE DO GET AN OF THEM COOPERATING WITH THEM, WE'D BE GLAD TO WORK TO OUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO ESCALATE TO THIS, YOU ALL.
SO WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER MEETING AND WE WOULD BE GLAD TO ITEMIZE COSTS, TIME DELAYS
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AND ALL THOSE, THOSE ARE REAL IMPACTS THAT CREATE TIME FOR US.AND THAT, UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UH, VERBAL AND WRITTEN COMMITMENTS, BUT WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
SO I SURE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING.
WELL, AND I THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IN ALL THE EFFORT THAT YOU HAVE, AND UNFORTUNATELY NONE OF THIS IS YOUR FAULT.
BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION, JUST ONE ON THE CURRENT COMPLETION DATE.
HOW ACCURATE IS THAT? WITHIN SIX MONTHS, THREE MONTHS? SO THAT IS SOMETHING ACTUALLY, WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING WITH, UH, VAN ON, UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRANSFERRED SOME WORK RELATED TO THE PARKING GARAGE INTO THE FAN CONTRACT.
UH, THAT WAS NAMELY THE EXCAVATION FOR THE PARKING GARAGE THAT HAS SINCE STARTED.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS MOST OF THAT WORK WOULD BE COMPLETED WITHIN THE SCHEDULE FOR THE FOREST ROAD.
HOWEVER, I'VE, I'VE, UM, RECEIVED A REQUEST FOR SOME ADDITIONAL DAYS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT EXCAVATION.
SO THERE'S SOME NEGOTIATION STILL IN PROCESS ON THAT.
UH, RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT, UH, UM, DATE FOR COMPLETION, I THINK IS THE END OF FEBRUARY.
SOMETIME, UH, FE FEBRUARY 25TH.
I'M CAN'T RECALL JUST HERE, BUT, UH, YEAH.
SO THIS, THIS, UM, RECENT REQUEST FOR TIME IS, UM, MORE THAN I AGREE WITH AT THIS TIME.
AND SO WE'RE STILL NEGOTIATING THAT.
SO, BUT MARCH 28TH, IS THAT A GOOD DATE OR, 'CAUSE ORIGINALLY I HAD HEARD IF IT WAS FROM ANDY THAT IT WAS GONNA BE THE END OF 25, SO THIS IS GOOD, BUT HOW, HOW ACCURATE IS IT? 'CAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE IS BEING DELAYED.
SO WE'VE BEEN TARGETING MARCH OF 25 FOR A WHILE NOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN OUR, OUR TARGET.
UM, AND I THINK PROBABLY THAT FEBRUARY 25TH IS WHAT, WHAT THAT ACTUAL TARGET SPECIFIC DATE WAS.
WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN SAYING BY SPRING OF 25.
SOUNDS LIKE WHAT, WHAT, UH, BOB IS INDICATING IS THAT THEY'RE LETTING US KNOW THAT IT WOULD EXTEND INTO THE SPRING OF 25, WHICH IS NOT GOOD BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN OUR TRAFFIC, UH, RIGHT.
I WAS HOPING PEAK BEFORE SPRING BREAK TO GET THAT OPEN.
BUT I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT, LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE UNDERPASS BY THE SUBS.
THE METAL WORKER FOR THE RAILING AND THE ELECTRICIAN FOR THE ELECTRICAL WORK PUT US HOW MANY? TWO AND A HALF MONTHS A MONTH, MONTH AND A HALF BEHIND.
AND THAT'S STILL ON TOP OF A YEAR BEHIND.
ONE THING WITH A PROJECT LIKE THIS THAT IS THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE LEEWAY WITH GETTING THE PROJECT OPERATIONAL AT LEAST AHEAD OF TIME.
THE, THE PEG CROSSING WAS JUST SO TIGHT AND CONFINED THAT IT WAS HARD TO ALLOW WORK TO CONTINUE WHILE, WHILE THE FACILITY WAS OPERATIONAL.
I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE OPPORTUNITY WITH THAT ON A PROJECT LIKE FOREST ROAD.
SO I'D LIKE REMIND COUNCIL THAT, UH, IN THE SPRING FOR PAVING, WE HAVE TO HAVE PAVING TEMP TEMPERATURES.
AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE A STRUGGLE FOR US TO TRY TO MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE WE WANT A, A QUALITY PRODUCT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO CUT CORNERS.
I JUST DON'T WANNA GO INTO NEXT NOVEMBER, DECEMBER.
BUT YOU LOST THAT, THOSE TEMPS I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE TEMPS.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? CAN WE GO RIGHT TO, UH, A MOTION? JESSICA? I MOVE TO APPROVE CONTRACT CHANGE ORDER WITH FAN CONTRACTING INC.
IN THE APPROXIMATE AMOUNT OF $1,474,527 A SECOND.
WHAT IS APPROXIMATE? LET ME JUST ADD THAT'S UNDER DISCUSSION.
AND WHAT IS APPROXIMATE? THANK YOU.
APPROXIMATE WHAT? APPROXIMATE AMOUNT USUALLY SOLUTION SAY NOT TO EXCEED.
WELL THEN WE DO BOTH SAYS APPROXIMATE.
WE DO, UH, APPROXIMATE AMOUNT OR NOT TO EXCEED.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT, HOW THE, UM, MOTIONS ARE WRITTEN MEAN.
WHAT DOES APPROXIMATE MEAN? I THINK IS THE QUESTION.
IS IT LIKE 10% MORE THAN THAT? UH, 5% OR LESS THAN THAT? KURT? YEAH, IT'S, UH, ME AND COUNSEL.
I, I'D SAY ANYTHING THAT GOES UP.
I MEAN, THE, THEY'RE SPECIFIC, AREN'T THEY? BOB? GENERALLY YOU HAVE THE CHANGE ORDER.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR WIGGLE ROOM, THEN YOU COULD, WE COULD PUT IN A LITTLE BIT EXTRA.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE INTENTION THERE BY THAT LANGUAGE.
WE HAD A PREVIOUS ATTORNEY THAT, UM, DIRECTED US TO DO THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY, UM, IT DEPENDS ON, THEY'VE BEEN WRITTEN EITHER TO JUST NOT HAVE AN EXACT AMOUNT.
BUT COULD, COULD WE THEN JUST, UM, PUT NOT TO EXCEED 1,000,400? I MEAN, WOULD THAT WORK FOR YOU GUYS? OR IS THAT THE AMOUNT YOU NEED FOR, I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT THE AMOUNT YOU NEED TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT? SO IT SHOULDN'T SAY APPROXIMATELY, I THINK IS
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WHAT THE POINT IS.SO I'M GOING TO REVISE THE MOTION.
CAN I DO THAT, KURT? YES, YOU CAN.
YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO I'M GOING TO, I MOVE TO AMEND THE, THE MOTION.
TO READ AS WHAT? TO READ AS I MOVE TO APPROVE CONTRACT CHANGE ORDER WITH FAN CONTRACTING, NOT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $1,474,527.
DOES THE MAKER OF THE MOTION ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT? I MADE THE MOTION.
LET'S PLEASE NOT, LET NOT HAVE ANY SIDE DISCUSSIONS.
I, I WAS ASKING THE ATTORNEY A QUESTION.
I IT LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE TALKING TO JESSICA.
UH, WE HAVE A SECOND NOW TO CHANGE THE, THE MOTION.
OKAY, SO WE'RE GOOD WITH, UH, NOT TO EXCEED.
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY, I MAYOR, MAY I PLEASE MAKE A STATEMENT, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
I JUST, I WANNA BE ON RECORD THAT I REALLY THINK THIS WAS A, A SLOPPY PROCESS WITH THIS TO DO THIS, THIS WAY.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M VOTING IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT WITH RESERVATIONS.
[8.d. AB 3112 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of a contract amendment with Kimley-Horn and Associates, Inc. for the Forest Road Project, SIM 5B, postdesign professional services in the approximate amount of $60,075.]
AB 31 12.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF A CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH KIMLEY, HOR AND ASSOCIATES, INC.
FOR THE FOREST ROAD PROJECT SIM FIVE B POST DESIGNED PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
THE AMOUNT, UH, APPROXIMATE AMOUNT, THERE WE GO.
WE MAY CATCH THAT NOW OF $60,075, BOB.
SO THIS CHANGE ORDER PRIMARILY HAS TO DO WITH, UM, THE ADDITIONAL GEO CHECK ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHANGE IN THE, UM, SOIL DEALING WALL DOWN NEAR, UM, THE ENTRANCE TO FOREST ROAD OFF OF STATE ROUTE 89 A.
THAT IS A GOOD PORTION OF THE COST.
ALSO IN HERE IS, UM, SOME RECORD DRAWING COSTS AT $15,400.
THIS IS ACTUALLY COST THAT WAS MISSED IN THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT FOR, FOR THE WORK.
SO IT IS NOW BEING ENTERED INTO THE CONTRACT.
UM, THIS INVOLVES DEVELOPMENT OF RECORD DRAWINGS.
WE NEED TO DO THESE, ESPECIALLY FOR A DQ APPROVAL OF OUR SANITARY SEWER.
THEY REQUIRE ENGINEER, UH, DRAWINGS, UH, AND ENGINEER CERTIFICATION OF THE SEWER AT THE CLOSE COMPLETION OF THE SEWER IN ORDER TO GRANT, UH, CONSTRUCTION AUTHOR, AUTHOR, OR IN ORDER TO GRANT AUTHORIZATION TO UTILIZE THE SEWER SYSTEM.
UH, THE REST HAS TO DO WITH THE ADDITIONAL TIME, UH, THAT THE PROJECT HAS TAKEN FOR, UH, KIMBERLY HARM TO COVER THE REST OF THE, UH, ONSITE INSPECTION, UH, SPOT INSPECTION THAT WE REQUIRE GOING FORWARD, ATTENDING OUR PROJECT MEETINGS AND SOME OF THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE WORK.
AND THIS WAS ANTICIPATED, I BELIEVE, WASN'T IT? YES, WE HAD, UH, ROUGHLY 187,000, I THINK THE NUMBER WAS IN OUR FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET.
SO, UM, THIS IS WITHIN THAT NUMBER.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY COMMENTS? OKAY, CAN I MOTION? YES.
OKAY, BUT I'M GONNA CHANGE THE WORDING OF THE MOTION.
I KNOW YOU WERE GONNA LOOK THROUGH IT.
NOW I MOVE TO APPROVE CONTRACT AMENDMENT TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACT WITH KIMLEY HORNET ASSOCIATES FOR POST DESIGN SERVICES NOT TO EXCEED $60,075.
ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A QUESTION.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE STAFF IS OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WE'LL, UH, YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
DON'T, I DON'T COME TO YOU WITH CHANGE ORDERS THAT AREN'T, UM, OKAY.
SO I EXPECT OUR, OUR, UH, OUR, OUR NUMBER THAT'S PROVIDED BY OUR CONTRACTOR AND, UH, ENGINEERED TO HAVE THE CONTINGENCY IN THERE THAT'S NEEDED.
[8.e. AB 3113 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of a contract amendment with Kimley-Horn and Associates, Inc. for the Brewer/Ranger Roundabout Project, SIM 5D, professional services contract in the approximate amount of $124,550.]
ITEM E AB, UH, 31 13.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF A CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH KIMLEY HOR AND ASSOCIATES, INC.
FOR THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT PROJECT.
THAT'S SIM FIVE D PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT IN THE APPROXIMATE AMOUNT OF,
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UH, 124,050.OKAY, THAT'S 'CAUSE I'M, I'M MISSING SOMETHING.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ENDURANCE COUNSELORS.
HEY, JOHN MAYOR, MAYOR SCOTT, AND VICE MAYOR.
THIS, UH, THIS AGENDA ITEM HAS TO DO WITH INCREASING THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR KIMLEY HORN ON THE DESIGN OF SIM FIVE D, WHICH IS THE ROUNDABOUT AT, UH, RANGER BREWER.
I'M JUST WAITING TO GET THE, UH, AB 3, 1 1, 3 3 JUST TO, UH, DESCRIBE TO YOU THE THREE PROJECTS IN THIS AR AREA.
WHAT'S THE NEXT PAGE? THANK YOU.
IT'S NOT THE PACKET YOU'RE WANTING.
THE PACKET? YEAH, THE, THE EXHIBIT PULL UP.
SO THIS IS, UM, WELL ALWAYS, YES.
SO THIS EXHIBIT SHOWS THIS AREA HERE.
IF YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR, UH, IS THE RANGER BREWER ROUNDABOUT.
THIS IS THE PROJECT WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THIS WAS SCOPED ALONG WITH SIM FIVE D, WHICH IS THE ROUNDABOUT WHERE FOREST ROAD THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IS GONNA COME INTO THE HIGHWAY AND RANGER ROAD EXTENSION IS GONNA COME THERE.
THESE WERE SCOPED SEPARATELY, UH, ALONG WITH A THIRD JOB, WHICH WAS THE TRANSIT, UH, RIDE EXCHANGE IN THIS GAP AREA HERE.
THOSE THREE PROJECTS, IF ALL CONSTRUCTED AT THE SAME TIME, WOULD ALL MERGE TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME.
THE PROBLEM IS, THE WAY WE'RE PHASING THESE IN IS THIS FIRST ONE IS GOING TO START CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR, FISCAL YEAR 25.
THIS FIVE E IS GOING TO, HAS BEEN PUSHED OUT TO 27 TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION.
AND THE RIGHT EXCHANGE IS SEVERAL YEARS DOWN THE TRACK, IF EVER, RIGHT? DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DO TRANSIT WISE.
SO WHAT THIS ADDITIONAL SCOPE FOR THE DESIGNERS INVOLVES IS TO, UH, WHEN WE CONSTRUCT THIS, THIS ROUNDABOUT, WE WANT TO ALSO CONSTRUCT AN INTERIM FOR AND RANGER ROAD EXTENSION TO COME UP TO MEET HERE TIME.
SO WE'RE GONNA, THAT WOULD BRING US WITH AN INTERIM CONDITION FOR FOREST, FOR THE FOREST ROAD JOB IS, IS AN INTERIM CONDITION WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE ALLOWING, YOU KNOW, RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, LEFT IN NO LEFT OUT.
AND, AND THIS WOULD BE A ANOTHER, UH, A SIMULTANEOUSLY INTERIM, UH, CONNECTION TO THIS AREA, WHICH WOULD JUST BE A, A RIGHT OUT TO PROVIDE THIS, THIS MOVEMENT HERE.
WE DON'T NEED THE OTHER MOVEMENT NORTHBOUND BECAUSE THAT IS ACHIEVED BY COMING UP BREWER ROAD AND TURNING LEFT THERE.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS IN THIS INTERIM IS, UH, GIVE KIMLEY HORN.
IT'S ADD ADDS UP TO 124,000 EXTRA DOLLARS FOR THEIR FEE TO CREATE ANOTHER, UH, CONSTRUCTION, UH, DOCUMENTATION FOR THIS AREA.
UH, AND THAT WOULD DOCUMENT A CONSTRUCTION OF THIS ENTIRE ROAD, THE FULL, THE FULL WIDTH OF THE ROAD, AND AN SUPA SHARED USE PATH, 10 FOOT THAT COMES UP THE WEST SIDE OF THAT TO HERE.
AND THEN WE MAKE THAT CONNECTION THERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THIS, AND ALSO THERE'S STRUCTURAL WORK, UH, FOR, THERE'S A, THE SOLDIER WASH COMES THROUGH HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT THAT ENTIRE, UH, 12 BY 10 CULVERT IN ITS ENTIRETY.
DO ALL OF THE EARTH WORKS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY FOR THE ULTIMATE CONDITION TO SAVE COSTS ULTIMATELY.
SO THIS ADDITIONAL, UH, COST IN THE CONSTRUCTION IS EQUAL AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO DO IN THE, IN THE FUTURE WHEN THIS COMES ON IN FISCAL YEAR 27.
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SO, SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ADDITIONAL, UH, AMOUNT OF SCOPE FOR THE DESIGN.THAT'S WHAT THIS, UH, AB IS FOR.
AND IT ALSO, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS PROVIDE AN EXTENSION OF THIS, UH, SIDEWALK HERE, SHIFTED TO AN, UH, AS WIDE AS WE CAN GET ALL THE WAY UP RURAL ROAD FROM THE ROUNDABOUT UP TO THE HIGHWAYS, UH, SIDEWALK.
AND WE'RE GONNA TRY AND SQUEEZE IN AN EIGHT OR A 10 FOOT, UM, SHARED USE PATH FOR THAT.
UM, SO THAT IN A NUTSHELL IS, UH, WHAT THIS AB IS FOR, FOR THAT ADDITIONAL DESIGN COST OF 124,000 VICE SMEAR.
I I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE BUILDING THIS ROUNDABOUT BECAUSE OF THE RIDE EXCHANGE.
WELL, THE, THE RIDE THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THE SITE THAT THE, THE SELECTION, UH, STUDY CAME ABOUT WITH, WITH THE R EXCHANGE.
BUT THE ROUNDABOUT IS NOT FOR THE R EXCHANGE.
THE ROUNDABOUT IS TO RELIEVE, IS TO MAKE THAT FULL CONNECTION A FOUR WAY INTERSECTION FOR WHEN, UH, FOR WHERE, UM, FOREST SWORD COMES IN.
BECAUSE WE JUST, WE JUST SPENT A LOT OF MONEY REDOING BREWER RANGER.
FOR THE WASH, FOR THE, WE, WE JUST HAD A STOP SIGNS PUT THERE.
I MEAN, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY IN THIS INTERSECTION IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
THIS IS, UH, IT'S, IT'S BEEN SEVERAL.
WELL, WHAT DOES LONG MEAN? I'VE BEEN HERE 19 YEARS, SO IT'S BEEN NO, ANDY, THERE WAS JUST CONSTRUCTION IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
NO, I, I KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING, I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT RELATIVE TO EITHER, I GUESS THE CITY INCORPORATION OR AS FAR AS THE LAST SOLDIER WASH IMPROVEMENTS, IT WAS, I MEAN, THAT WAS A DAVID PECK PROJECT THAT MANAGED, HE'S RETIRED NOW AND SO IT'S GOTTA BE FIVE YEARS AGO.
AND THEN AFTER THAT WE, WE REDID THE, THE WASH ITSELF.
WELL, WE DID THE WASH AND THEN WE REDID THE INTERSECTION OF PUTTING STOCK THAT'S RIGHT AFTER THAT.
SO THIS, WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE'VE LET, LET ME MAYBE PUT THAT IN CONTEXT.
SO WHEN THAT WORK WAS DONE, IT WAS DONE FOR FLOOD CONTROL IMPROVEMENT.
SINCE THAT'S BEEN COMPLETE OR RIGHT AROUND THE SAME TIME WE COMPLETED OUR TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, THESE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS WERE NOT EVEN A GLIMMER IN OUR THOUGHTS AT THAT TIME.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THESE PROJECTS IS TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT.
AS WE'VE TALKED IN THE PAST IN OUR SIM UPDATES, MOVING THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT TO THE, TO THE WEST AND CONNECTING TO FOREST ROAD, ONE OF THE BIGGEST BENEFITS WITH THAT IS REDUCING THE INTERACTIVE CONGESTION THAT HAPPENS BETWEEN THOSE TWO ROUNDABOUTS IN SERIES.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS THAT WE GET WITH MOVING THAT ROUNDABOUT.
THE NEXT BENEFIT THAT WE GET IS WITH CONNECTIVITY AROUND THE Y CONNECTING THAT WEST SIDE OF, OF THIS AREA TO THE 1 79 CORRIDOR, AND GIVEN ADDITIONAL CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THOSE TWO MAJOR ROUTES, CONGESTION RELIEF IS GOING TO BENEFIT IN A BIG WAY FROM ALL OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THIS IS NOT, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT BUILDING A, A, UH, CONNECTION INTO THIS AREA, INITIALLY IT WAS FOR THE, THE TRANSIT HUB OR THE RIDE RIGHT EXCHANGE.
ONCE WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE IDEA OF SEPARATING THE ROUNDABOUTS AND CONNECTING TO FOREST ROAD AND, AND ULTIMATELY MAKING THE FOREST ROAD INTERSECTION A FULLY FUNCTIONAL INTERSECTION, THAT OVERALL IS, IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR IMPROVEMENT IN THIS AREA.
BUT WE TALK, WE TALKED ABOUT A BUS, A BUS, UH, LANE.
SO WITH THE TRANSIT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WE HAVE CITED THE NEED FOR A BUS LANE, SPECIFICALLY COMING DOWN COOKS HILL AND CONNECTING TO THIS AREA.
THAT WAS PART OF MAKING A, A CONNECTION THROUGH THIS AREA THAT WAS PART OF IT WITH, WITH OUR CURRENT PLANS THAT
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WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THIS, THIS NEW ROUNDABOUT, WE'RE FINDING THAT IT'S NOT LIKELY NECESSARY TO BUILD A SEPARATE TRANSIT LANE.SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WANT ME TO GO OFF ON THAT TANGENT OR NOT.
I'M HAPPY TO, YEAH, IT'S, I FEEL LIKE EXACTLY WHAT COUNSELOR KINSELLA IS MUMBLING UNDER HER BREATH.
THIS IS A HUGE CHANGE THAT WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED AS A COUNCIL, AND IT'S JUST BEING BROUGHT TO US.
WELL PAY FOR THIS, PAY FOR THAT.
HERE'S A CHANGE ORDER FOR THIS THAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS AT ALL.
I WANNA UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND HOW IT'S CHANGED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION.
I, I'M REALLY NOT COMFORTABLE AT ALL, EVEN UNLESS SIM UPDATE THERE WAS, YOU COULD HAVE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
YOU DIDN'T TOUCH IT WELL IN THE LAST, AS FAR AS THE, SO THE RIDE AS FAR AS THE BUS LANE, THAT TOO, I MEAN WE, WE ABSOLUTELY DID TALK ABOUT THIS REGION IN THE LAST STEM UPDATE.
WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE DASHBOARD, WE WENT INTO DETAIL TALKING ABOUT THIS REGION, THESE PROJECTS, ALL OF THE PROJECTS IN THE Y REGION.
THAT WAS THE FOCUS OF OUR DISCUSSION.
THAT WAS THE FOCUS OF OUR DISCUSSION.
BUT, BUT I DON'T RECALL IN THAT PRESENTATION BEING POINTED OUT THAT A BUS LANE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE DESIGN WAS NOW BEING ELIMINATED.
THAT, THAT'S A SPECIFIC DETAIL THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
I COULD GO ON THAT TANGENT IF YOU WANT ME TO, BUT I, I, I DID NOT.
SO, IN OUR LATEST DESIGN OF SPECIFICALLY THE FOREST RANGER 89 ROUNDABOUT, THAT'S A DETAIL THAT OUR DESIGN TEAM HAS COME BACK VERY RECENTLY WITH, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO UPDATE COUNCIL ON THAT SPECIFIC DETAIL.
THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE OVERALL CONCEPT OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH ALL OF THESE PROJECTS IN, IN, IN COMBINATION.
THAT'S A DETAIL WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THE Y ROUNDABOUT, FOR INSTANCE, AND LOOKING AT METERING, SIGNAL METERING, THAT'S A CONCEPT THAT WE CAN BRING INTO THE Y OR I'M SORRY, THE, THE FOREST ROAD ROUNDABOUT AND NOT NEED A WHOLE BUST LANE THAT EXTENDS UP COOKS HILL.
WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT YET, BUT WE JUST LEARNED ABOUT IT.
AND THESE ARE, THESE ARE CHANGES THAT ARE HAPPENING.
DOES THAT TAKE AWAY THE NEED FOR ADDING THIS SCOPE TO THE, TO THE, UH, BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT? I WOULD BEG NO, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
THEY ARE SOMEWHAT INTER INTERRELATED BECAUSE ALL OF THESE PROJECTS WORK TOGETHER IN THIS REGION.
BUT WHETHER WE BUILD A BUS LAYING DOWN COOKS HILL, OR WE PUT IN A TRAFFIC SIGNAL METER TO TAKE AWAY THE NEED FOR THAT, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT AFFECTS THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO ADD THE SCOPE TO THIS PROJECT TODAY SO THAT WE DON'T MISS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD WHAT WE NEED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
CAN I CLARIFY? IT'S A VALUE ADDED WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SAVING COST AND TIME AND ENERGY WITHIN THE DESIGN.
SO WE, IN OUR NEXT OCTOBER SIM UPDATE, WE, WE PLAN TO GO, WE'RE GONNA CONCENTRATE IN TRANSIT.
WE'RE GONNA DIVE DEEP INTO THAT TO PROVIDE ALL THAT LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING IN, IN THAT.
BUT, UM, AND, AND, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE COSTS AND MAKE THINGS MORE EFFICIENT.
AND, UM, ARE YOU DONE HIGHER CONNECTIVITY? NO, BUT KATHY WANTS TO ADD SOMETHING FOLLOWS.
SO DO I, SO IN THE PACKET, IT EVEN SAYS, AN ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE THAT IF THIS CONTRACT AMENDMENT WAS NOT APPROVED, NOW THAT IT LATER COULD BE ADDED TO THE CONNECTION, WOULD THEN BE ADDED INTO THE FOREST RANGER, YOU KNOW, ROUNDABOUT PROJECT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WE'RE LOOKING AT $125,000 HERE.
UM, IS THE TIMELINE ON THIS THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE THIS TONIGHT TO GET THE VALUE ADDED? I APPLAUD ALWAYS LOOKING FOR VALUE ADDED AND COST SAVINGS.
AND IF THIS ACHIEVES THAT, THAT'S GREAT.
PROBLEM IS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT ACHIEVES IT YET WITHOUT HAVING THE PRESENTATION ON HOW TO DESIGN IS CHANGED.
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THIS CONTRACT AMENDMENT SOMETHING THAT CAN WAIT FOR THAT, THAT SIM UPDATE TO UNDERSTAND BETTER AND THEN BE ADDED ON SINCE THAT'S IN THE PACKET, THAT IT COULD BE ADDED AT A LATER AT THE, THE NEXT JUNCTURE OF THE OVERALL PROJECT? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DOING THIS NIGHT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION ON HOW THE PROJECT DESIGN HAS CHANGED.SO, MAYOR, MAY I RESPOND TO THAT? UM, JUST, JUST REITERATING WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER, I THINK THE CONCEPT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING DOESN'T CHANGE WHETHER WE DO THIS NOW OR DO IT LATER, BUT TO KURT'S POINT, IT'S VALUE ADDED IN.
NOW, IF WE WERE TO ADD THAT SCOPE TO THE FIVE E PROJECT, IT WILL CAUSE MORE, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
THAT PROJECT WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A DOT PERMITTING, ADDING SCOPE IN AN AREA, A REGION THAT'S STRICTLY CITY JURISDICTION AND ALLOWING, UH, ADOT OVERSIGHT TO IT WHEN WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
UM, IT, IT, IT'S JUST GONNA CAUSE, CAUSE THAT SCOPE OF WORK TO COST MORE.
AND IT WOULD ALSO MAKE THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE RANGER BREWER ROUNDABOUT, SOMEWHAT MEANINGLESS IN THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE WEST LEG OF THE INTERSECTION GOING NOWHERE.
WE WANNA MAKE THAT CONNECTION TO THE HIGHWAY.
SO WE GET SOME USAGE OUT OF THAT.
WE HAVE TO TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE SO THAT WE GET SOME USAGE OUT OF THAT, UH, WEST LEG.
YEAH, I THINK, AGAIN, WE ALL WANT THAT.
I MEAN, IT IS JUST THAT WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND SO THAT WHEN WE ARE MAKING FINANCIAL DECISIONS UP HERE, THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT FINANCIAL DECISION IS BASED ON.
YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE YOU'RE BRINGING THAT FORWARD, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE, DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION TILL WE UNDERSTAND HOW THE DESIGN HAS CHANGED.
THAT'S THE POINT I THINK I'M TRYING TO GET ACROSS.
AND I ALSO, I WAS ALSO UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU KNEW ABOUT THIS PRIOR, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THIS JUST CAME ABOUT NOW.
SO MY, MY ISSUE WAS WE WANT TO KNOW, WE SHOULD BE INFORMED ABOUT THIS STUFF SOONER THAN MAYBE, BUT THIS IS A MAJOR CHANGE.
I THOUGHT YOU HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE WANTING TO KNOW IF I KNEW PRIOR TO, PRIOR TO WHEN WELL, YOU'RE SAYING WHAT, JUST A WEEK OR SO THAT YOU FOUND THIS OUT? IT'S BEEN VERY RECENT.
I, AS LONG AS IT WASN'T TWO, THREE MONTHS AGO WHERE YOU COULD HAVE NO, GIVE US, GIVEN US A NO, IT WAS NOT, IT'S JUST THE, THE KNOWLEDGE THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW.
NO, AS I EXPLAINED BEFORE, SOME OF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LEARNING ABOUT AS YOU GO.
WELL, THE SIGNAL METERING THING IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WHEN WE BRING THAT TO SEDONA, IT'LL BE THE FIRST APPLICATION IN THE STATE AND VERY, ONE OF THE VERY FEW WITHIN THE WHOLE COUNTRY.
SO IT, IT'S CERTAINLY A NEW CONCEPT THAT WE'RE APPLYING TO IMPROVEMENTS AND UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE VERY RECENTLY LEARNED THAT WE COULD APPLY TO THE FOREST ROAD ROUNDABOUT AND SAVE THE CITY THE EFFORT OF BUILDING A WHOLE BUS LANE.
IT'S, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT EXPLANATION BEFORE WE GET THE CHANGE ORDER.
IT COULD EVEN BE IN THE SAME, WHAT WHAT I, WHAT I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN THOUGH IS THAT THAT'S, THAT'S A DETAIL ON THE FOREST ROAD ROUNDABOUT ITSELF.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS THAT RED AREA THAT CONNECTS ONE ROUNDABOUT TO THE OTHER THAT I UNDERSTAND, BUT IN, IN OUR MINDS WE'RE WE HA HAVE A RIDE EXCHANGE, WE DON'T KNOW THERE'S RIGHT.
WE HAVE A BUS LANE, WE DON'T KNOW THE BUS LANE IS GONE.
THESE NEED TO BE EXPLAINED TO US IN, AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE WANNA DO THIS.
BUT THAT BIGGER PICTURE IS MISSING.
I HAVE NO, I CAN'T EVEN FIGURE OUT FROM THE DRAWING WHAT IT MEANS.
WELL, LET, LET ME EXPLAIN THE, THE BUS LANE, THE, THE RECENT, UM, EPIPHANY IF YOU WILL.
THE, THE, THE, IS THIS THIS LANE RIGHT HERE? THAT WAS THE DEDICATED BUS LANE RIGHT THERE.
SEE FOR THIS, THIS RIGHT TURN, WE SORT OF HAVE TWO LANES.
THIS ONE WAS DEDICATED FOR THE BUS LANE.
THE ONLY THING THAT ANDY WAS SAYING THAT'S A RECENT DEVELOPMENT IS THAT KIMLEY HORN, OUR CONSULTANTS ARE SAYING WE COULD SAVE THE MONEY OF NOT BUILDING THAT AND NOT ENCROACHING INTO THIS PROPERTY ANYMORE BY JUST HAVING A PREEMPTION, UH, FOR THIS LANE.
SO THE BUSES CAN, CAN, CAN USE THE SAME LANES, THE SAME LANE
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AS THE REGULAR CARS, BUT HAVE A PREEMPTION AND PERHAPS A, A LIGHT OR METERING FOR THAT MOVEMENT.SO WHAT WOULD BE THAT, THAT SAVINGS, BUT THE, MY POINT IS, IS THAT THE OVERALL CONCEPT OF ROUNDABOUT HERE, ROUNDABOUT THERE, THAT THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN PART OF SIM THE SIM STRATEGY FOR A LONG TIME.
YEAH, BUT YOU, YOU JUST SAID THAT THERE'D BE IN NET SAVINGS BY ELIMINATING THAT.
BUT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO SPEND $125,000 TO ACHIEVE A SAVINGS OF WHAT? 'CAUSE THEN I CAN DO A NET BENEFIT ANALYSIS.
YOU KNOW, IF I HAVE THAT INFO.
UM, WELL, THE EXTRA DESIGN IS REQUIRED BECAUSE WE'RE, WE HAVE TO DO THIS IN PHASES.
WE HAVE TO CREATE A CONSTRUCTION SET OF, UH, DOCUMENTATION FOR THIS, WHICH THE, UH, DESIGNERS OF THIS WASN'T, WEREN'T, UH, PLANNING ON DOING IT WAS OUT OF THEIR EXISTING SCOPE.
THAT'S EXTRA WORK BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND, AND DO THIS DESIGN, UH, OVER ON TOP OF IT.
SO THERE'S, UH, SO THERE'S NO PROJECTED, THERE'S NO PROJECTED DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR WHAT, IT'S NOT ANY DESIGN.
THE DESIGN WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE DONE, WHETHER IT WAS IN SIM FIVE D OR SIM FIVE D.
SO THE DESIGN IS STILL THE SAME.
WE'RE JUST MOVING AHEAD IN ORDER TO CONNECT THE TWO TO REALIZE THAT CONNECTION POINT AT THIS POINT IN TIME VERSUS THE LAG OF HAVING A ROAD THAT GOES TO NOWHERE.
SO WE CAN TRY TO ELIMINATE THE CONGESTION OF COOKS HILL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
BECAUSE MY CONCERN WAS, IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS, AND YOU WOULD THEN COME BACK IN THE FUTURE AND SAY, KURT, WHY DIDN'T YOU CONNECT THIS RANGER ROAD AT THIS POINT IN TIME IN THE FUTURE? I'D BE LIKE, OOPS,
BUT SO NOW I'M, WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF IT AND SAYING, WE'RE INVESTING IN THE FUTURE TO BRING THIS IN TO HAVE THAT HIGHER EFFICIENCY CONNECTIVITY AND DO THIS PART OF THE SIM FIVE D AS YOU'RE CORRECT, IT'S PART OF SOLDIER'S WASH.
SO THE FIVE D WE'RE PAYING FOR THE CLR, THAT'S A FEMA, UH, PLAN TO IMPROVE SOLDIER'S WASH FOR BOTH PROJECTS.
SO WE'RE ALREADY DOING THE WORK.
THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE FOR YOU TONIGHT.
BUT, OKAY, BUT YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GONNA SAVE MONEY.
WHAT ARE WE GOING, WHEN, IN WHAT CONTEXT ARE WE SAVING THIS MONEY IN CONSTRUCTION LATER? I MEAN, YOU CAN'T TELL US WE'RE SAVING MONEY WITHOUT TELLING US WHERE WE'RE SAVING THE MONEY.
SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SAVING MONEY IN A FEW DIFFERENT CONTEXTS HERE.
UM, SO I, I'M HOPING THEY'RE NOT GETTING ALL MIXED TOGETHER.
UM, ONE WAS WITH REGARD TO BUILDING A, A SIGNAL METERING SYSTEM VERSUS A BUS LANE, THAT THAT WAS ONE THING, UM, SAVINGS HERE BY ADDING THIS DESIGN TO THIS PROJECT VERSUS MAKING IT A PART OF SIM FIVE E.
SO MAKING IT A PART OF THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT VERSUS THE FOREST RANGER ROUNDABOUT IS ANOTHER COST SAVINGS.
NOW ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DESIGN SAVINGS OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION SAVINGS? RIGHT.
THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
ALSO, I WOULD, I WOULD TEND TO DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, WOULD IT BE CHEAPER TO DESIGN IT AS PART OF FIVE RANGER BREWER? I'M TRYING TO NOT DO THE FIVE D THING.
UH, WOULD IT BE CHEAPER TO DESIGN IT AS PART OF RANGER BREWER VERSUS FOREST RANGER? I WOULD, I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT WOULD BE CHEAPER TO DO IT AS PART OF A PROJECT THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE EIGHT OUT AT ALL.
BECAUSE ONCE WE DO THAT, THERE'S GONNA BE ADDED REVIEWS.
THERE'S GONNA BE ADDED OVERSIGHT, THERE'S GONNA BE ADDED SPECIFICATIONS.
IT, THERE'S GONNA, IT'S JUST GONNA BE MORE COMPLICATED GOING THROUGH A DOT.
SO YES, IT WILL COST MORE IF YOU DESIGN IT AS PART OF THAT PROJECT.
IT'S THE SAME DESIGN, BUT YES, IT WILL COST MORE.
AND THEN YES, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA COST MORE IN CONSTRUCTION.
IF WE ADD THAT, THAT LONG LEG OF IMPROVEMENT TO F TO FOREST RANGER VERSUS FOR, UH, UM, BREWER RANGER, I'M USED TO THE FIVE D
AGAIN, FOR THE SAME REASON, IF WE'RE BUILDING A PROJECT UNDER A DOT OVERSIGHT, IT'S GONNA COST MORE.
SORRY, KURT, HE USED TO WORK FOR ADOT, BUT IT'S JUST A FACT.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S THE EFFICIENCIES.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT COST SAVINGS
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WHERE WE WANT TO, INSTEAD OF BUILD A JUST A SINGLE NARROW CONNECTION, WE'RE GONNA BUILD IT OUT TO ULTIMATE DESIGN NEED.AND THEN WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT A ONE WAY CONNECTION.
SO WE'RE GETTING THAT WORK DONE AS PART OF BREWER RANGER VERSUS DOING A PART NOW AND A PART LATER.
SO THERE'S SEVERAL AREAS OF COST SAVINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
UM, WHY DO WE NEED TO DO THIS? NOW, MY MY ARGUMENT IS IT DOESN'T MATTER.
WE NEED TO DO, DO IT REGARDLESS.
WE, WE'VE BEEN PLANNING TO COME BACK IN OCTOBER AND, AND GIVE THE SIM UPDATE.
IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING WHETHER WE DO IT NOW OR LATER, OTHER THAN WE NEED TO GET THIS DESIGN DONE SO THAT WE STAY ON TRACK WITH THE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT PROGRAMMED AND ONE ONE'S WAITING ON ANOTHER.
AND, AND IT ALL HAS A DOMINO EFFECT.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE INTEND TO, TO DISCUSS WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE RIGHT EXCHANGE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN COMING UP A LOT LATELY.
SO THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE POINTS THAT WE, WE SPEAK TO, UM, JUST A SPOILER, IS THAT WE, WE DON'T FULLY KNOW IF THE BRIDE EXCHANGE IS GONNA HAPPEN OR NOT.
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN OUR AGENDA BELL.
THAT'S PART OF WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS, UH, AHEAD NOW AS WELL.
THE ROAD, UM, IN THIS SEGMENT THAT'S, THAT'S IN RED HERE, WAS INTENDED TO BE A PART OF THE RIGHT EXCHANGE IMPROVEMENTS.
MAYOR, I HAD A QUESTION FIRST.
UH, JESSICA HAS RAISED YOUR HAND.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID BRIAN, SO GO AHEAD.
WE HIRE ENGINEERS AS THEY TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT, THEY GET DEEPER AND DEEPER AND DEEPER INTO ALL OF THE VARIOUS DETAILS.
I WOULD BE, AND I'M, I'M ASSUMING, ALTHOUGH I COULD BE WRONG, THAT PROJECTS EVOLVE OVER THEIR DESIGN AS PEOPLE WORK TOGETHER.
THINGS GET SPECIFIC, NEW IDEAS, NEW TECHNOLOGY COME UP, AND THE DESIGN EVOLVES.
UM, I FOR ONE, DON'T NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN ALL OF THAT.
I, UH, I, WE HIRE GOOD STAFF PEOPLE, EXCELLENT STAFF PEOPLE TO DO IT.
I'VE NOT, I'VE NOT BEEN DISAPPOINTED WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IT WILL COST MORE IF WE WAIT.
WE COMPLAINED ON THE OTHER PROJECT ABOUT DELAYS.
WHY NOT MOVE AHEAD WHEN WE CAN MOVE AHEAD NOW ON SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE KNOW THINGS THAT QUITE FRANKLY, I MEAN, THE RIGHT EXCHANGE IS A BIG DEAL, BUT YOU'RE GONNA NEED A ROAD THERE CONNECTING THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU DO, YOU, YOU NEED A ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH.
UM, SO I, UM, I, I JUST DON'T WANNA GET INVOLVED IN CONSTRUCT, IN BEING PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION DESIGN PROCESS.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR ROLE.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WITH, WITH BEING THINGS BEING EXPLAINED TO US WAS USEFUL.
BUT YOU SAY, YOU TELL ME THAT WE NEED THIS.
YOU TELL ME THAT WE, I MEAN, SO WHY NOT DO IT NOW? IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO GET CHEAPER.
AND I'M, I'M RELUCTANT TO, TO, I, I WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO GIVE STAFF THE IDEA THAT THEY CAN'T MOVE AHEAD ON PROJECTS AND BE INNOVATIVE AND MAKE CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED AND HAVE TO STICK TO OLD FASHIONED OLD IDEAS.
BECAUSE WE SAID TO COUNCIL AND THEY'RE GONNA MAKE SUCH A DAMN FUSS IF WE CHANGE IT NOW, LET'S NOT CHANGE IT.
LET'S JUST LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.
SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AHEAD AND THE ENGINEERS SAY IT'S NECESSARY.
I BELIEVE THE ENGINEERS ARE, I BELIEVE THE ENGINEERS.
'CAUSE I HAVE NO REASON NOT TO BELIEVE MY ENGINEERS.
SO, OH, YOU'RE OVER YOUR EYES AT ME NOW.
SO, UM, I WOULD MOVE AHEAD WITH IT.
THANK YOU, UH, BRIAN AND THEN PETE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY 8 27, BUT WE'RE BEHAVING LIKE IT'S 1127 OR SOMETHING.
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I, I DON'T KNOW, JOHN, I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU.'CAUSE YOU'RE THIRD IN A ROW OF SIM RELATED PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS, AGENDA ITEMS, AND THAT'S BAD LUCK TONIGHT.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, IS IT, I KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M THE ONLY ONE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT CHANGE ORDER CONTRACT, AMENDMENT FATIGUE AT THIS POINT.
AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE CATCHING IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GET BEAT MERCILESSLY OVER EVERY COST, OVERRUN EVERY PROJECT AND, AND EVERY DELAY WHETHER WE HAD AN OUNCE, WE COLLECTIVELY, WHETHER WE HAD AN OUNCE OF CONTROL OVER IT OR NOT, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
UM, BUT THIS JUST FEELS LIKE IT'S JUST PILING ON TONIGHT.
AND I MEAN, THIS IS MY FIRST WEIGH IN ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC.
UM, AND I'M SWAYED BY COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON TO NOT ENGINEER FROM THE DIOCESE THIS EVENING.
UM, BUT I ALSO APPRECIATE THE VICE MAYOR'S COMMENTS OF, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE LOSING A LITTLE BIT OF THE BIG PICTURE OVER THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF WORK.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT AS SOME FEEDBACK.
WE PROBABLY JUST NEED TO HAVE A REGROUP PRESENTATION ON HERE'S SOME THINGS THAT HAVE JUST RECENTLY OCCURRED AND WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
THE OTHER THING I WILL TELL YOU, AND IT MAY JUST BE SEMANTICS, BUT I KNOW I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE.
'CAUSE I'VE HEARD IT FROM AT LEAST ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES UP HERE.
JUST SOME OF THE WORD CHOICES AND THE, UM, THE, THE SUMMARY STATEMENT ON THIS.
AND IT WAS EVEN SAID BY ONE OF YOU A FEW MINUTES AGO, LIKE, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA DO THE RIGHT EXCHANGE NOW OR NOT.
AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE, WELL, AND THIS ISN'T EGOTISTICAL, BUT IT ULTIMATELY WINDS UP BEING THE COUNCIL THAT DECIDES WHETHER WE ARE OR WE'RE NOT.
IT'S WHETHER YOU GUYS RECOMMEND IT OR NOT.
THAT'S, THERE IS A BIT OF A DISTINCTION THERE.
AND SO I KNOW FOR SOME OF US, AS WE READ THE PACKET, LIKE ON THIS ITEM, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, WELL WAIT A SECOND, YOU KNOW, UM, SINCE WHEN DID WE SAY THERE MIGHT NOT BE A RIGHT EXCHANGE? RIGHT? AND IT'S BEING PRESENTED TO US LIKE WE DON'T HAVE A, A SAY IN THE MATTER.
SO I THINK THERE'S JUST BY THE, BY THE TIME WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS AGENDA ITEM, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S A GENERAL LEVEL OF IRRITATION AMONGST MYSELF AND MY COLLEAGUES.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT OTHER THAN JUST SAY, HEY, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
UM, BUT IT'S WHAT I SENSE AND WHAT I'M HEARING FROM, FROM MY COLLEAGUES AND THERE'S NO CRITICISM IN THAT WHATSOEVER.
UM, I WONDER, I, I REALIZE THAT IF KIMLEY HORN'S DOING FIVE D AND FIVE D, THEN OKAY PROBABLY MAKES SENSE FOR THEM TO DO THIS LITTLE PIECE IN HERE.
BUT LIKE, HOW DOES THIS WORK FROM A PROCUREMENT STANDPOINT THAT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S JUST ANOTHER $125,000 TO KIMLEY HORN BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID WE SHOULD PAY THEM TO DO THIS.
LIKE, HOW OFTEN ARE WE ACTUALLY MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT OVERPAYING FOR THIS? 'CAUSE IT RE I MEAN, IT FEELS LIKE KIMLEY HORN IS JUST A SOLE SOURCE THAT WE JUST KEEP FEEDING NONSTOP.
AND I, YOU KNOW, WHEN ARE WE GONNA EVER SEE ANOTHER CONTRACTOR BESIDES KIMLEY HORN DO ANY DESIGN WORK IN THE CITY? WELL, IF I CAN, IF I CAN SAY ONE THING ABOUT NEGOTIATING, UH, FEES, UH, THE FEE FOR THIS, UH, ORIGINALLY WAS 1 67 AND WE CAUGHT, WE CAUGHT A FEW MISTAKES THAT THEY HAD MADE.
MAYBE THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT LACKADAISICAL.
I'M NOT SAYING DISHONEST WHATSOEVER.
THEY, THEY'RE TREATING US WELL, BUT WE DID BRING IT DOWN FROM 1 67 TO THIS 1 24 BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRICES.
UM, JOHN, YOU SHOULDN'T SELL YOURSELF SHORT THERE EITHER.
UM, WE SCRUTINIZE NOT JUST LOOKING FOR MISTAKES, BUT WE LOOK AT MAN HOURS, WE LOOK AT CHARGE RATES, WE LOOK AT HOW MANY STAFF THEY'RE PUTTING INTO A PROJECT THAT'S ALL GONE OVER AND, AND WORKED THROUGH OUR NEGOTIATION PROCESS.
UM, WE CERTAINLY SCRUTINIZE TO SPEAK TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHEN ARE WE GONNA SEE A DIFFERENT CONSULTANT.
WE'VE TRIED, WE, WE'VE PUT OUT RF QS, WE'VE, WE'VE TOLD OURSELVES IN OUR SELECTION PROCESS, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANOTHER KIMLEY HORN PROJECT.
UM, WSP WAS THE SELECTED CO, UH, CONSULTANT ON THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING PROJECT.
UM, I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU, LOOKING BACK ON THAT, WE WOULD'VE SAVED TIME, MONEY, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IF KIMLEY HORN WOULD'VE DESIGNED THAT PROJECT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO BRING IN ANOTHER CONSULTANT WITH THE LEVEL OF QUALIFICATION,
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FAMILIARITY, UNDERSTANDING.WE, KURT AND I TALK TO CONSULTANTS ALL THE TIME ABOUT DIFFERENT PROJECTS, NEW PROJECTS.
THEY ALL REALIZE THAT THEY JUST DON'T HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL ON CERTAIN PROJECTS IN THIS, IN THIS CITY.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA KEEP TRYING TO GET ANOTHER CONSULTANT ON BOARD.
I, I AM DEFINITELY NOT SAYING THAT.
YOU KNOW, I CAN NAME OFF A LONG LIST OF LOCAL ENGINEERS THAT DON'T HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THESE KIND OF PROJECTS.
THEN IF WE GO BEYOND THE LOCAL AREA, I CAN NAME OFF ANOTHER LONG LIST OF ENGINEERS THAT IT WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE TO ASK THEM TO COME IN AND, AND DO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WE WORK ON.
THEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT TIE EACH OTHER TOGETHER AND IMAGINE HOW DIFFICULT AND CUMBERSOME IT WOULD BE TO HAVE MULTIPLE CONSULTANTS WORKING ON THOSE PROJECTS.
HOW DO WE TIE THEM ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, KIMLEY HORNE DID OUR TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN AND THAT INCLUDED NOT ONLY OUR, OUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE KIMLEY-HORN OFFICE THAT HAVE GREAT QUALIFICATIONS, BUT IT, IT INCLUDED THEIR, THEIR STAFF FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT GET I, AND I'M, I, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN'T STRESS THAT ENOUGH.
WE BROUGHT IN, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE AWARE PEOPLE FROM SEVERAL OTHER STATES VERY, VERY OFTEN TO WORK ON OUR PROJECTS BECAUSE WE'RE BRINGING IN THE BEST OF THE BEST.
AND IT'S HARD, IT'S HARD TO GET SOMEONE ELSE TO COMPARE TO THAT AGAIN.
'CAUSE EVEN I THINK JOHN, JOHN, WHEN HE CAME ON BOARD HOWEVER LONG AGO THAT WAS NOW, THAT WAS ONE OF HIS FIRST QUESTIONS TO ME, WHY IS KIMLEY HORN GETTING ALL THIS WORK? JOHN CAME TO US FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND I SAID, YOU'LL SEE JOHN AND AND NOW LISTEN TO HIM.
HE'S UP HERE SELLING YOU ON ANOTHER PIECE OF WORK TO KIMLEY HORN.
AND I THINK THAT FROM TIME TO TIME COUNSEL PROBABLY NEEDS A REMINDER OF JUST THAT.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AT FACE VALUE, IT'S JUST LIKE, IT'S A GRAVY TRAIN TO THEM IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND I DO BRING A PRIVATE SECTOR MINDSET TO IT AND, UH, AS DO I.
AND SO I APPRECIATE HEARING THAT.
UM, ONE LAST QUESTION SINCE IT'S UP THERE.
FIVE D WHERE ARE WE WITH PORTAL LANE EXTENSION? WE ARE, RIGHT NOW MY ENGAGEMENT WITH LOCKA, WE'RE PUTTING THAT ON HOLD UNTIL WE GET THEIR FIVE D UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
AND I'M MEETING WITH THEIR OWN OWNERS AND PARTNERS TO WALK WITH LOCKA POCKE ABOUT OTHER IMPROVEMENTS AND PARTNERING OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN WORK ON PORTAL LANE.
SO PART OF OUR COUNTS ARE ALL LOOKING AT HOW TO LOCK A POCKET INTERFACES WITH OUR, UM, PEACOCK, OUR PED CROSSING.
THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVE PROGRAMS RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO RESOLUTION SO THEN WE CAN ADDRESS THAT, UM, AT A LATER DATE.
HOW DID THAT JUST BECOME A LOW PRIORITY? I MEAN, THAT'S SURPRISING TO ME BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS, I DON'T WANNA GO TOO FAR ACTIVE.
IT'S, YEAH, IT'S HAR FAR MORE CONTROVERSY.
WE HAVE ENOUGH WITH FIVE D UH, WITH THE RANGER BREWER RIGHT NOW AND AS WELL.
AND THEN I WANNA ALSO ADD, LAST THURSDAY WE HAD A DIFFICULT CONVERSATION.
I HAD A DIFFICULT CONVERSATION WITH ANDREW BAIRD SAYING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR RFQ FOR CONSULTING ON OUR FOREST ROAD CONNECTION IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
'CAUSE WE JUST FEEL THEY HAVE TOO MUCH WORK RIGHT NOW.
AND THE CITY OF PRESCOTT HAS THE SAME, YOUR COUNCIL HAD THE SAME TIME.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, OH, OKAY.
SO IT WAS TO FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTIONS.
SO YOU'VE ASKED, WE HEAR YOU WE'RE MAKING THE, UM, GIVING YOU THE ANSWERS.
AND THEN I WANNA REMIND YOU ALL AND OCTOBER, WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR SIM UPDATE.
'CAUSE THE LAST JULY YOU SAID YOU GUYS WANTED MORE OF RENDERING TO SHOW OVERALL ALL THE PROJECTS THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT CURRENTLY.
UM, I'VE BEEN INVITED WITH ANDREW TO PRESENT AT THE STATE ROADS AND STREET PROJECTS, OUR SIM PROJECTS.
SO WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY HAVE THAT PRESENTED ON THEM BECAUSE, UH, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, WE HAVE NATIONAL RECOGNITION OF THIS LITTLE TOWN DOING THESE PROJECTS, PARTNERING WITH KIMBERLY HORN.
WE'RE ON THAT LEVEL AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO THAT'S, HOPEFULLY WE CAN LEVERAGE ON THAT AND GET THAT WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO TO DELIVER THE PROJECTS AS OUR,
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UH, MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN DICTATED.SO LET ME JUST START BY SAYING, SO I'VE GOT A, A DIFFERENT QUESTION AND I'M, THIS QUESTION COMES FROM NOT A SENSE OF FRUSTRATION OR IRRITATION, IT'S GENUINE CURIOSITY.
WHEN I LOOK AT THAT DIAGRAM, I SEE THAT WE'RE GONNA PAY ENGINEERING COMPANY, DO A DESIGN OF A ONE SINGLE LANE, ONE WAY ROAD, BUT WE KNOW IN, AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT RIGHT, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THAT DIAGRAM.
WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL OF THE PAVEMENT, ALL OF THE SUP, UH, FOR BETWEEN 24 FOOT LENGTH.
WE'RE GONNA CONSTRUCT TWO LANES, BUT, BUT, UH, STRIPE IT FOR ONE LANE.
THAT DIAGRAM I FELT WAS REALLY QUITE MISLEADING.
IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE WE WERE GONNA JUST KICKING ENGINEERING WORK INTO THE FUTURE, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE DO HAVE A BETTER, A BETTER, UH, A BETTER EXHIBIT, BUT WE DIDN'T GET IT UNTIL THIS MORNING AND JOE SAID IT WAS A LITTLE TOO LATE TO STICK IT IN YOUR PACKET.
UH, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? WE GOOD? I COULD YES, COMMENT.
KATHY, I THOUGHT YOU HAD SOMETHING.
SO I JUST WANNA SAY, I THINK THAT THIS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN A FRUITFUL DISCUSSION.
UM, I, I THINK IT MAYBE, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT PAINFUL TO GET THERE, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT JUST CAME OUT.
AND I WANTED TO APPLAUD STAFF FOR STAYING CALM, COLLECTED, AND UNDER PRESSURE BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF PRESSURE THAT CAME FROM UP HERE.
AND THAT PRESSURE IS RIGHT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ENGINEERS AS WE POINTED OUT, BUT WE ARE THE PEOPLE WITH THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
AND IN ORDER TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT'S AN APPROPRIATE CHANGE ORDER, WHAT ADDS TO A BUDGET, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S INFORMATION THAT WE NEED.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IT WAS GOOD TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
I THINK A LOT OF IT CAME OUT THAT I DID NOT HAVE BEFORE.
I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR STAYING WITH US ON IT AND PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION.
AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU FOR STAYING CALMER THAN WE DO.
AND WITH THAT NOTE, CAN I HAVE A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS CONTRACT AMENDMENT TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT WITH KIMLEY HORNE AND ASSOCIATES FOR THE BREWER RANGE ROUNDABOUT PROJECT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $124,550.
[8.f. AB 3108 Discussion regarding an amendment to Sedona City Code (SCC) Sections 12.05.040 and 12.05.110, modifying the Maricopa Association of Governments (MAG) and specifications regarding utility trench backfill procedures. (First meeting)]
AB 31 0 8.DISCUSSION, UH, UH, REGARDING THE AMENDMENT TO SIT ON CITY CODE C UH, C SECTIONS 12 0 5, 0 4 AND ONE ZERO MODIFYING THE MARIOSA MARICOPA, EXCUSE ME, MARICOPA ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENTS, THE MAG AND SPECIFICATIONS REGARDING UTILITY TRENCH BACKFILL PROCEDURES.
UH, YES, THIS, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE, UH, THIS AGENDA ITEM IS AN ORDINANCE TO ADD ADD TEXT TO THE CITY CODE.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A FIRST READING AND I THINK JOE'S GOT IT SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 24TH.
SHOULD YOU WANT TO VOTE ON IT AFFIRMATIVELY.
WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS, UH, TIGHTEN UP OUR, OUR SPECIFICATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY CODE FOR BACK FILLING, UH, UTILITY TRENCH WORK THAT GOES IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY, OFTENTIMES CROSSING OUR ROADS.
AND RIGHT NOW, THE UTILITY COMPANIES AND THE, UH, DEVELOPERS, UM, UH, ACCORDING TO CITY CODE, THEY CAN JUST PUT NATIVE MATERIAL IN GOOD, GOOD, UH, CLEAN FILL OR GRAVEL MATERIAL AND, AND DO DENSITY TESTS ALL THE WAY UP TO MAKE SURE THEY GET PROPER COMPACTION.
AND THEN THEY PUT THE MATCHING, UH, PAVEMENT ASPHALTED CONCRETE ON TOP.
AND WE, IN OUR PAVEMENT PRESENT PRESERVATION PROGRAM, WE HAVE TO FIX THAT MUCH TOO OFTEN.
UM, SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS, UH, REQUIRE THEM TO DO AN 18 INCH, UH, CAPPING THE TOP 18 INCHES OF THE BACKFILL WITH A, UH, CONCRETE SLURRY MIX KNOWN IN THE INDUSTRY AS, UH, UH, CONTROLLED LOW STRENGTH MATERIAL.
IT'S A CONCRETE MATERIAL, BUT SORT OF SOUPY AND IT'S NOT, IT'S ABOUT HALF AS STRONG IN COMPRESSIVE STRENGTH AS REGULAR CONCRETE THAT YOU WOULD USE IN A SIDEWALK OR SUCH.
I WANNA MENTION TOO THAT WE, WE TALKED TO UTILITY COMPANIES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS GONNA COST THEM ANY
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EXTRA MONEY AND IT REALLY ISN'T BECAUSE, UM, IT COSTS THEM MONEY TO GO THROUGH THOSE DENSITY TESTS.THEY HAVE TO GET A GEOTECHNICAL FIRM TO COME IN AND DO THAT.
IT'S, IT'S CHEAPER FOR THEM REALLY TO DO, TO DO THAT CONCRETE.
THE MATERIAL IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN FILL, BUT, UH, REALLY IT, IT'S CHEAPER.
AND YAVAPAI COUNTY AND COCONINO COUNTY ALREADY, ALREADY REQUIRE THEM TO DO THAT.
WE'RE JUST KIND OF GETTING IN SYNC WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AS FAR AS WHAT THE SPECIFICATIONS SHOULD BE FOR, FOR BACKFILLING.
UM, AND SO THAT'S ABOUT IT ON THAT.
IT'S QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS? OKAY.
OH, THERE IS NO MOTION FOR THIS? NOPE.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR KURT.
WHY, WHY ARE WE DOING AN ORDINANCE INSTEAD OF JUST AMENDING THE CODE? ORDINANCE IS REQUIRED TO AMEND THE CODE.
'CAUSE IT'S THE, THE, THE ORDINANCE, THE CODE IS A COLLECTION OF ALL THE CITY ORDINANCES OVER THE YEARS.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE AN ORDINANCE ON THIS, ON, ON BACK, RIGHT.
AND IT REQUIRES AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND AN ORDINANCE.
I KNOW, BUT WE ALL
NOTHING ELSE CAN AMEND AN ORDINANCE.
[8.g. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items.]
ELSE? ITEM G AB UH, 30 66 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS? I HAVE ONE.UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHATTER ABOUT PICKLEBALL COURTS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, UH, WITHIN THE CITY AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO ORDINANCE OR ANYTHING, I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD SCHEDULE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS COMING UP, UM, SOONER THAN LATER BECAUSE I, I, WE KNOW IT'S, THIS IS COMING TO US FROM THE PUBLIC.
WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A PETITION BEING CIRCULATED.
UM, THEREFORE WHY CAN'T WE GET AHEAD OF THIS AND ALREADY SCHEDULE A DISCUSSION SO THAT WE'RE PROACTIVE IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO, MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DO WITHIN THAT.
I, I'D LIKE TO JUST KNOW IF THERE'S SUPPORT FROM THE DAY AS FOR A CONVERSATION ON THIS.
I THINK ANNETTE WANTS TO WEIGH IN.
DID YOU MOVE THE MIC OVER? OH, ONLY TO RESPOND IF YOU WANTED ME TO RESPOND TO THAT.
UM, BUT GO AHEAD AND FINISH YOUR HEADCOUNT.
I THINK IT WAS UNANIMOUS, SO THEREFORE.
UM, YES, SO STAFF, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE RECEIVED THE SAME, UH, QUESTIONS AND INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, UM, ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR SPOT, BUT THE TOPIC IN GENERAL.
UM, SO CARRIE MEYERS HAS BEEN RESEARCHING, UH, OPTIONS WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING IN THIS, UM, REALM AND, UM, PREPARING HERSELF FOR WHAT SHE THOUGHT WAS PROBABLY GOING TO BE COMING.
UM, ALTHOUGH SHE DOES HAVE A SERIES OF, UM, QUESTIONS ABOUT IT THAT SHE'LL NEED TO GET SOME MORE SPECIFIC DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL BEFORE SHE TAKES SOMETHING TO P AND Z TO ACTUALLY PROCESS, UM, FOR AN AMENDMENT.
UM, SO WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR UPCOMING MEETING SCHEDULE, UM, ON WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 9TH, WE ONLY HAVE ONE ITEM ON THAT.
IT'S A PRESENTATION FROM YAVAPI COLLEGE REPRESENTATIVES.
AND I'M WONDERING IF, UM, THIS TYPE OF TOPIC WOULD BE OKAY TO DO ON A WEDNESDAY MM-HMM.
I WASN'T MENTIONED SO I WOULDN'T BE SURE THAT WE, THIS WAY WE'RE GIVING ENOUGH DIRECTION.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM DOING IT ON WEDNESDAY.
WHAT WAS THAT DATE? AND THAT IT'S, UH, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 9TH.
BECAUSE I THINK WE JUST MOVED A LOT OF THINGS FROM, UH, TONIGHT ONTO THE EIGHTH
PETE, YOU HAD SOMETHING ALSO? I DID.
THIS IS MOSTLY KIND OF JUST A MESSAGE TO MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES IN OUR LOOK FORWARD CALENDAR HERE.
10 23 SPECIAL MEETING IS A PRESENTATION DISCUSSION FROM ARIZONA WATER AND, AND OUR STAFF REGARDING THE GROWING WATER SMART INITIATIVES.
AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE ALL EXPRESSED SOME INTEREST IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE WATER SUPPLY HERE IN THE VERDE VALLEY AND WHERE WE MIGHT BE GOING WITH
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IT.UH, I KNOW ANNETTE AND I HAVE TALKED A COUPLE TIMES AND, AND ANNETTE AND, AND CITY STAFF IN ARIZONA WATER ARE LAYING OUT THE CONTENT OF THAT MEETING.
IT MAY GROW BEYOND JUST THE WATER SMART INITIATIVES.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SEE HOW MUCH WE CAN CRAM INTO THAT MEETING, UM, TO MAKE, UH, TO ADDRESS THIS SORT OF, UH, INTEREST WE'VE ALL SPOKEN ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, MY INVOLVEMENT, OF COURSE IS ON THE CO PLATEAU WATER PARTNERSHIP AND THE NAMAH, THE NORTHERN ARIZONA MUNICIPAL WATER USERS ASSOCIATION.
SO THERE IS A LOT OF WORK THAT'S BEEN GOING ON, ESPECIALLY THIS YEAR IN THE VERDE VALLEY ABOUT, UH, THE STATUS OF OUR AQUIFERS IN, IN A RECENT PAST, UH, THE F APACHE NATION HAS DONE A STUDY.
ARIZONA WATER IS DOING A CURRENT STUDY.
CP WAC ITSELF IS DOING A STUDY.
THE STATE ITSELF IS DOING A STUDY ON OUR WATERSHED.
SO I THINK THERE'S A GREAT SYNTHESIS OF INFORMATION THAT SHOULD BE MAKING OUR WAY TO US.
AND I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO PUSH TO SEE AT THE RIGHT TIME WE GET SORT OF A, A, A BROADER DISCUSSION OF HOW WE'RE DOING AND HOW WE THINK ABOUT, UH, OUR WATER SUPPLY.
UH, WE HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW AT TWO 30 RIGHT HERE.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
I REALLY CUT HARD, CUT ME BACK.
'CAUSE I HAVE THE NINE 11 MEMORIAL BEFORE THAT.