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OKAY.WELL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN THIS WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE, IF YOU WILL.
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CLERK KO, PLEASE.UH, COULD PERFECT YOU MIND READER, I THINK.
[3.a. AB 3101 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of Year 2 of the Home Energy Retrofit Project Agreement with CozyHome LLC in an amount not-to-exceed $90,000. ]
A AB 31 0 1 DISCUSSION.POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF A TWO YEAR OF YEAR TWO OF THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PROJECT AGREEMENT WITH COZY HOME LLC IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $90,000.
AND THAT WILL BE, YOU WILL BE PRESENTING THAT.
SO, UH, FOR THIS ONE, I KNOW I HAVE, UH, A PRESENTATION, UH, CREATED FOR, FOR THE, THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT, UH, PROJECT THAT COVERED, UH, UH, A GOOD, A GOOD AMOUNT OF THAT COVERAGE WAS IN OUR, OUR MAY COUNCIL SESSION.
SO, UM, WE ARE COMING UP ON THE END OF THAT INITIAL, UH, YEAR OF THE AGREEMENT, AND WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, ESSENTIALLY EXECUTE YEAR TWO OF THAT AGREEMENT, UH, WITH COZY HOME TO CONTINUE, UH, THE, UH, PARTNERSHIP, UH, THAT WE HAVE HAD WITH, UH, COZY HOME FOR THE, SINCE THE BEGINNING OF 2022.
UH, AND SO THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN, UM, VERY SUCCESSFUL IN MY EYES.
WE'VE HAD 70 HOMES THAT HAVE, UH, GONE THROUGH THE PROGRAM, UH, TO DATE.
AND THERE'S A, WE HAVE A SMALL WAIT LIST AT THE MOMENT OF, UH, THREE INDIVIDUALS, UH, THAT ARE, UH, WOULD BE IN ANTICIPATION IF, UH, IF, UH, COUNSEL'S DIRECTION IS TO APPROVE IT FOR THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR, UH, FOR THE NEXT, OR FOR, OR TWO OF THE AGREEMENT.
SO, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, TO THE AGREEMENT OR THE PROGRAM IN GENERAL.
UM, SO, UH, ANYTHING YOU MIGHT HAVE, BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS.
OKAY, BRYCE? UM, ANY QUESTIONS? UH, KURT, YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT EMAIL OR NO? OKAY.
ANYTHING ON THIS SIDE? YOU LIKE A MOTION? UH, YES.
I, UM, WHAT'S THAT? WE CAN ACTUALLY MOVE AHEAD ON THAT MOTION.
UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE YEAR TWO OF THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PROJECT AGREEMENT WITH COZY HOME LLC IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $90,000.
SECOND BY COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
BRYCE, YOU'RE ON A WINNING STREAK SO FAR.
[3.b. AB 3098 Discussion/possible direction regarding sustainability programming and the Decarbonization Roadmap created with McKinstry Essention LLC. ]
ITEM THREE B, AB 30 98.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAMMING AND THE DECARBONIZATION ROADMAP CREATED BY MCKINSEY, UH, ASCENSION, LLC, GRACE UP AGAIN.
SO, UH, YEAH, UH, I FORGOT TO INTRODUCE MYSELF.
MY NAME IS VICE SPEC, UH, SANI.
I'M SUSTAINABILITY MANAGED CITY OF S UH, PLEASURE TO BE HERE.
UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, AND DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL HERE TODAY.
UH, SO, UH, WE HAVE A FEW THINGS TO, TO GO DISCUSS, UH, DECARBONIZATION ROADMAP AS WELL AS, UH, SOME SUSTAINABILITY UPDATES.
UM, AND SO I'M JUST GONNA, UH, BRIEFLY GO OVER THIS, UH, AGENDA SLIDE THAT WE HAVE, AND THEN I'LL, UH, BE TRANSITIONING, UH, TO A DIFFERENT SLIDE DECK, UH, WITH OUR, OUR, OUR PARTNERS WITH MCKINTRY THAT WILL BE, UH, JOINING ME HERE AT THE TABLE HERE SHORTLY.
UH, SO OVERALL, THE AGENDA THAT WE HAVE, UH, SET BEFORE YOU IS, UH, KINDA WHAT'S, UH, LISTED OUT HERE.
SO, THE, THE, THE COMPONENT OF MAKING THE DECARBONIZATION ROADMAP, UH, REALLY WAS BORN OUT OF THE, BOTH THE MUNICIPAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN AND THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
THE MUNICIPAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN HAD THE GOAL OF HAVING MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS BEING CARBON NEUTRAL, AND THEN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, UH, REITERATED THAT TO GOAL AND REINSTATED IT.
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2020, UH, THE MUNICIPAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN HAD THAT, UH, BE CARBON NEUTRAL GOAL.AND THEN IN 2021, THE, UH, CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THEN REAFFIRMS THAT GOAL, UH, TO HAVE MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS BEING CARBON NEUTRAL.
SO, AS WE WERE, UH, PROCEEDING WITHIN OUR, UH, GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTIONS IN OUR SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM, AN ASPECT CAME UP OF LIKE, HOW DO WE GET THERE? UH, WHAT IS, UH, THE KIND OF MONETARY COST THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO ULTIMATELY REACH, UH, THOSE GOALS.
UH, WHAT, UH, OPPORTUNITIES DO WE HAVE WITHIN THE MARKETPLACE AND THE, LIKE, UH, WHAT UPGRADES WE MIGHT NEED FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES, ONSITE RENEWABLES.
AND THOSE COMPONENTS ALL STARTED TO COME, UH, COME FORWARD.
AND SO THE ASPECT OF BEING ABLE TO DEVELOP A, A ROADMAP TO KIND OF GIVE US A CLEAR PICTURE ON, UH, POTENTIAL AVENUES FOR US TO REACH THAT GOAL THAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY BOTH OF THOSE PLANS, UH, HAS KIND OF LED US TO THIS POINT.
AND SO WE STARTED THE, UH, ROADMAP, UH, CREATION IN THE EARLIER THIS YEAR IN JANUARY.
AND WE'VE, UH, FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR SO, BEEN GOING THROUGH, UH, MANY MEETINGS AND SITE VISITS AND THE LIKE TO REITERATE AND, UH, BRAINSTORM AND, UH, COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WE'RE EXCITED TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL TODAY AND GET YOUR, UH, FEEDBACK ON AS WE, UH, CONTINUE TO LOOK TO EMBARK ON GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTIONS, UH, EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS, UH, THROUGHOUT MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS ON TOP OF THE, THE WIDE VARIETY OF OTHER PROGRAMMING OFFERINGS THAT WE'VE, UH, HAD THROUGHOUT THE AREA OR THROUGHOUT OUR, UH, PROGRAMMING EFFORTS.
AND SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO TEE UP BRIEFLY THAT THE, THE ASPECT FOR, UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLES, UH, WE'RE VERY, UH, VERY MUCH AWARE OF, UH, THE CONSTRAINTS WITH SOME DEPARTMENTS AND THE, LIKE, AS WE GO THROUGH IT.
AND WE'RE DILIGENTLY LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE, SAY, LIKE RIDE AND DRIVE EVENTS OR, UM, OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE, GET SOME OF OUR STAFF MEMBER DIRECTLY BEHIND THE WHEELS OF THE VEHICLES TO GET MORE, UH, DIRECT FEEDBACK FROM THEM AS WE LOOK FOR THE, UH, APPLICABLE, UH, VEHICLES, UH, THAT WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR, TO MEET THEIR NEEDS AS WE CONTINUE, UH, DOWN THAT PATH FOR, UH, EV TRANSITION, UH, WITH THE GREEN TO ADOPT, TO, UH, ALIGN WITH THE GREEN FLEET, UH, POLICY THAT WAS, UH, ADOPTED IN NOVEMBER OF 2021.
SO, ADDITIONALLY, ON TOP OF THE, UH, DECARBONIZATION ROADMAP, UH, WE WILL GO OVER, UH, MUNICIPAL GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS THAT WILL ALSO COVER A LARGE AMOUNT OF THERE, OUR SCOPE THREES, UH, THAT I'LL GO, GO THROUGH IN DETAIL, UH, AND THOSE, UH, THOSE SLIDES.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE SOME PROGRAMMING UPDATES THAT WILL COVER A FEW, UH, ADDITIONAL THINGS, UH, THAT, UH, COVER A LITTLE BIT OF RESILIENCY, UH, PIECES TO IT, AND ALSO UPCOMING OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'D JUST REALLY LIKE TO SHARE, UH, WITH THE SUSTAINABLE NEIGHBORHOOD NETWORK, THE NORTHERN ARIZONA SOLAR CO-OP THAT, UH, WE'RE EXCITED TO CONTINUE OUR PARTNERSHIP ON, UH, SOME, AN UPDATE FROM OUR GRANT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM A DQ FOR OR CYCLING RECEPTACLES.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME UPCOMING EVENTS THAT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO SHARE, UH, WITH COUNCIL THAT WE'LL ALSO PRESENT ON AS WELL.
SO, UH, THERE'S, UH, UH, WITHIN THIS, I MIGHT SEE THAT, UH, SAY THE RESILIENCY OR SOME OTHER ADAPTATION PIECE AREN'T, UH, MENTIONED IN THIS AGENDA.
MY GOAL IS TO SET UP ADDITIONAL TIMES WITH COUNCIL, UH, THAT WILL THEN SPEAK TO THOSE SPECIFIC TOPICS SO THAT, UH, WE CAN KIND OF BREAK UP THE, THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF IT SO IT'S NOT JUST THROWING EVERYTHING AT YOU ALL AT ONCE AS, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
SO, I APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR TIME, UH, THIS AFTERNOON AND, UH, UH, YOUR PATIENCE WITH ME SINCE WE HAVE A A LOT TO LOT TO COVER AND TO GET THROUGH.
BUT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD, UH, TO, TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO YOU WHERE THE, THE ROADMAP IS.
UH, AND SO WITH THAT, I WILL SWITCH OVER TO OUR SLIDE, UH, MCKINSTRY SLIDE DECK AND WELCOME OUR, UH, MCKINSTRY TEAM.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, BRAD AND REISER, UH, HERE IN THE, UH, ROOM TODAY.
I'LL LET THEM INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AS WELL AS A FEW OF THEIR TEAM MEMBERS THAT ARE ONLINE AS WELL.
SO, BRAD, YOU, YOU'RE KICKING IT OFF.
SO DO THE INTRO SO WE CAN HAVE IT, UH, THE NAMES ASSOCIATED WITH THE FACES ON, UH, VIDEO, SO, GREAT.
UH, MY NAME IS BRAD QUIST AND I WORK FOR MCKINSTRY.
UH, MY ROLE AT MCKINSTRY, OR MY JOB AT MCKINSTRY IS I'M THE, UH, DIRECTOR OF ZERO CARBON, UH, SOLUTIONS.
UH, MY, UM, KIND OF WHERE, WHAT I DO ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS IS MOSTLY WORK WITH OUR PUBLIC SECTOR CLIENTS WHO ARE DEDICATED TOWARDS TRYING TO ELIMINATE THEIR CARBON FOOTPRINT, UH, WHICH IS WHAT THIS ROADMAP IS LOOKING AT.
I'M AN ACCOUNT MANAGER FOR MCKINTRY.
UM, SO MY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO COVER ALL NON-TECHNICAL PORTIONS OF THESE, UH, THIS, THIS PARTNERSHIP.
UM, SO THAT WOULD COVER ANYWHERE FROM STRATEGIC VISION, UM, ENSURING THAT SEDONA AND THIS, THE STAFF GETS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, UM, AND ALSO LOOKING AT, UM, FUNDING AND CONTRACTING OPTIONS, UM, MOVING FORWARD.
UM, ALSO, I'D ALSO LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, MIKE GROSS, WHO WAS UNABLE TO BE HERE.
HE WAS OUR PROJECT DIRECTOR, UH, WHOM WE ARE BOTH HERE LOCAL, UM, DOWN IN PHOENIX.
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INTRODUCE, UM, BRENDAN O'DONNELL.UM, BRENDAN, IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE.
MY ROLE HERE IS FOCUSED ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
SO WE WORK WITH FLEETS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY ON HOW TO IMPLEMENT EVS IN THEIR OPERATIONS.
AND THE MAIN PORT PORTION OF OUR FOCUS IS HOW DO YOU BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE CHARGING TO WORK FOR THE OPERATION OF THE FLEET.
SO I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT HERE TODAY.
UH, SO I'M JOINED BY MY TEAM MEMBER, TOM CHANLEY, UH, ALSO WORKING ON EV.
SO TOM, IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF, THAT'D BE GREAT.
UH, I THINK BRENDAN SAID IT ALSO, WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP A BRIEF, UH, WORK WITH MUNICIPALITIES LIKE YOU, UH, LIKE SEDONA AND, AND OTHERS TO, UH, HELP THEM FIGURE OUT A PLAN TO
AND MATT? YEAH, UH, HI EVERYONE.
UH, I WORK DIRECTLY WITH, UH, BRAD THERE ON DEVELOPING THESE, UH, DECARBONIZATION ROADMAPS, UH, CITIES AND ORGANIZATIONS LIKE YOU AROUND COUNTRY.
I THINK THAT'S OUR WHOLE TEAM.
UM, WELL, I THINK AS COUNCIL, UH, KNOWS, WE, UM, EMBARKED ON THIS JOURNEY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
UH, WE HAVE HAD A, UH, FAIRLY, UH, EXTENSIVE PROCESS, UM, GIVEN OUR, I WAS GONNA DO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON SOME OF OUR METHODOLOGY AND KIND OF APPROACH.
UM, I WOULD SAY, GENERALLY SPEAKING, UM, THE, THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WE TRY TO GET TO, UM, WITH THESE SORTS OF ROADMAPS IS REALLY A SWEET SPOT OF HAVING ENOUGH DETAIL THAT WE REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S FACILITIES.
UM, WE GET INTO ENOUGH DETAIL THAT WE LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THE ACTUAL ELECTRICAL CAPACITY OF THE BUILDINGS AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE ADEQUATE TO DO THINGS LIKE ELECTRIFY, ET CETERA, BUT NOT GOING SO FAR THAT WE'RE INTO DESIGN.
UM, WHICH REALLY STARTS TO INTO MORE DETAILED DESIGN, WHICH TENDS TO, UM, REALLY INCREASE COSTS.
AND WE WANT, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO DELIVER A CLEAR ROADMAP THAT WE FEEL LIKE, UM, THE CITY CAN RELY ON, UH, WITH THE REALLY THE EXPECTATION THAT ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROJECTS COMES LATER, UM, AND THAT YOU ALLOCATE THE BULK OF THOSE DESIGN COSTS AT THAT TIME.
UM, I DO WANNA JUST DO A QUICK SHOUT OUT FOR THE FIRST SLIDE.
UM, REALLY BRIEFLY, UM, JUST THE, UH, THE COVER PHOTO.
UM, MIKE GROSS, ACTUALLY OUR PROJECT DIRECTOR TOOK THAT.
HE'S A BIG NIGHT SKY PHOTOGRAPHER.
UH, WE, UM, APPRECIATED, UH, WHEN WE WERE HERE EARLIER, UM, THE ORIENTATION THAT SEDONA HAS TOWARDS ART.
UH, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO BRING TO THE FOR, WAS A LITTLE BIT OF MIKE'S PHOTOGRAPHY.
ALSO, I WANT ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, JOHANNA BJORK, UM, WHO IS OUR GRAPHIC DESIGNER WHO DID THE WORK ON THE BEAUTIFUL ACTUAL REPORT.
UM, SHE'S A GRAPHIC DESIGNER WHO I'VE WORKED WITH FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND WHO, UM, SUPPORTS, UM, MCKINSTRY AT TIMES.
UH, THAT WAS MY LITTLE ART MOMENT.
UM, I, I WANTED TO SLIP THAT IN.
AND I'M GONNA MOVE FAIRLY QUICKLY, RECOGNIZING THERE'S A LOT OF CONTENT TODAY.
UM, BUT OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY, UM, WE'RE HERE TO, TO UNPACK AND DISCUSS.
SO, UH, THESE ARE THE ADOPTED CLIMATE GOALS THAT THE, UM, COUNCIL, UM, THAT WERE ADOPTED BY THE, UM, COUNCIL THROUGH THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
UM, I WON'T READ THOSE OUT LOUD.
UM, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF CLEAR FOR ALL, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE FAIRLY DETAILED AND MULTIFACETED, UH, SPEAKING TO KIND OF A BROAD OPERATIONAL TARGET, UH, FOR THE CITY.
ALSO, A TARGET SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO PASSENGER VEHICLE EMISSIONS, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, A, A TARGET AROUND, UH, ELECTRICITY AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT ELECTRICITY IS RENEWABLE.
UM, SO THIS WAS REALLY, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL WAS LET'S PUT TOGETHER A ROADMAP THAT ACHIEVES THESE GOALS.
UH, WE DO HAVE A, A SLIGHT RECOMMENDED AMENDMENT TO ONE OF THE GOALS AT THE VERY END, AND WE CAN GET INTO THAT WHEN WE GET THERE.
AND FORGIVE ME FOR, I MAY BE COVERING, UH, STUFF THAT IS, IS KIND OF OBVIOUS TO EVERYONE, AND APOLOGIES FOR THAT.
I JUST, I FIND IT'S HELPFUL TO KIND OF GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE.
UM, AS FAR AS KIND OF HOW WE APPROACH THINGS BASED ON WHAT WE WERE SEEING IN BOTH TARGETS AND THE, UM, UH, AND, AND THE LANGUAGE IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
SO THERE ARE REALLY THREE MAIN BUCKETS OF ENERGY USE IN THE CITY.
UH, THERE'S BUILDINGS, THERE'S VEHICLES AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, AND I HAVE IN A FEW SLIDES, I'LL SHOW YOU HOW THAT ACTUALLY BREAKS OUT, UM,
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BY THOSE SUBGROUPS.THE PROCESS OF DECARBONIZATION IS REALLY A FOUR PART PROCESS.
UM, THE FOUNDATION, UM, THAT REALLY, WE DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ADDRESSING OR ANY TIME ADDRESSING IN THE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S JUST INHERENT IN THE ACTIVITY THAT WE WERE TAKING ON, WHICH IS, UM, THE ROLE OF EMBODIED CARBON IN DECARBONIZATION.
THERE'S A LOT OF CARBON THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE ACT OF CONSTRUCTION, UM, EARTH MOVING, UH, THE EMBEDDED CARBON IN, UH, STEEL PROCESSING, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
UM, OUR FOCUS AND OUR MANDATE ON THIS ROADMAP WAS TO LOOK AT EXISTING FACILITIES AND BASICALLY RETROFIT THOSE EXISTING FACILITIES TO DECARBONIZE THEM.
SO YOU REALLY GET RIGHT OFF THE BAT, UH, YOU CAN CHECK THAT BOX, UM, RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, THE CITY DIDN'T COME TO US AND SAY, OKAY, WE WANT TO TEAR APART ALL, TEAR DOWN ALL OUR OLD BUILDINGS AND REBUILD NEW ZERO CARBON BUILDINGS.
UM, SO, AND THAT WE, WE BELIEVE THAT'S A REALLY GOOD STRATEGY, AND IT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE TOO.
UM, THE NEXT STEP IS ALWAYS LOOKING AT EFFICIENCY.
UM, EFFICIENCY PROVIDES REALLY TWO MAIN BENEFITS.
ONE IS JUST SIMPLY YOU'RE REDUCING ENERGY USE AND ASSOCIATED CARBON USE.
UM, BUT THE OTHER BENEFIT TO DOING THAT IS YOU'RE ALSO REDUCING THE LOAD, UM, TO WHICH THE SYSTEMS IN THE BUILDINGS NEED TO EITHER HEAT OR COOL TOO.
SO YOU ALWAYS WANT TO TRY TO APPLY EFFICIENCY EARLY ON, UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE TIMES, UM, YOU MAY BE, UM, FOR, AND I'LL JUST, THE MOST OBVIOUS EXAMPLE IS IF YOU HAVE A LEAKY BUILDING THAT DOESN'T HOLD THE COLD IN, DOESN'T HOLD THE HEAT IN VERY WELL, UH, INTO THE BUILDING, UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO OVERSIZE YOUR MECHANICAL SYSTEM TO ADDRESS THAT LEAKAGE.
SO REALLY SMART STRATEGY IS ADDRESS THE LEAKAGE.
AND THEN, UM, AS YOU MOVE FORWARD, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UM, YOU CAN DOWNSIZE THE SYSTEMS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE USING.
THE THIRD LEG OF THE STOOL IS ELECTRIFICATION.
UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF A BIG WATCH WORD RIGHT NOW.
EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT ELECTRIFICATION, BUT THE HEART OF ELECTRIFICATION, WHY WE DO ELECTRIFICATION IS TO ENABLE THINGS TO BE RENEWABLY POWER.
UM, AND THAT'S REALLY REFLECTED IN THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN GOALS.
IT'S VERY CONSISTENT WITH HOW FOLKS ARE GENERALLY APPROACHING THIS FROM A STRATEGIC POINT AROUND THE COUNTRY.
UM, ANOTHER PIECE IS THINKING HOLISTICALLY, UM, KIND OF ACROSS THE BOARD OF LIKE, WE HAVE A CIVILIZATIONAL CHALLENGE IN FRONT OF US OF DECARBONIZATION.
HOW WILL THE UNITED STATES TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND REDUCE ITS CARBON FOOTPRINT? AND TO DO THAT, LIKE THE, THERE'S REALLY ONLY ONE THAT, THE MAIN TRACK THAT IS GOING TO THAT, THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD, UM, YOU KNOW, IN EVERY SITUATION IS THROUGH KIND OF A COMBINATION OF ELECTRIFICATION, AND THEN ALSO MAKING SURE YOUR ELECTRICAL SOURCES ARE RENEWABLE IN NATURE.
UM, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL DISCUSS THINGS LIKE RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS.
UM, PRETTY MUCH EVERY STUDY THAT HAS BEEN DONE SAYS THAT MAYBE TWO OR 3% OF OUR ECONOMY COULD BE POWERED WITH, UM, RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS, THOSE SORTS OF SOURCES.
IT'S NOT A UNIVERSALLY SCALABLE SOLUTION.
SO WE ALWAYS LIKE TO JUMP TO THAT UNIVERSALLY SCALABLE SOLUTION.
JUST BIG PICTURE IN TERMS OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE CLIMATE TARGETS WERE SET IN 2021.
CITI HAS DONE ACTUALLY A LOT OF DECARBONIZATION WORK TO DATE.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE A SLIDE, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN PASS BRIEFLY.
UH, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF REALLY CHARTING A COURSE OF DECARBONIZATION.
UM, FROM THERE, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE CITY IS GOING TO ACHIEVE ITS 2030 TARGETS, UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A DECENT AMOUNT OF WORK TO DO TO GET THERE.
AND SO, UM, WHAT THE ROADMAP DOES IS BASICALLY CHARTS OUT ABOUT FOUR PHASES, OR NOT ABOUT FOUR PHASES OF DECARBONIZATION ACTION.
UH, AND I'LL SPEAK TO THE PHASING, UH, WHEN WE GET TO THAT SECTION, LIKE WHY, WHY WE HAVE THE PHASES WHERE THEY ARE.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF WHAT, UM, THE CITY HAS DONE TO DATE, I, I DO WANT TO BE VERY COMPLIMENTARY TO THE CITY.
AND I, UM, I, AND I TRULY MEAN THIS.
IT'S, IT IS LIKE YOU ALL HAVE DONE A LOT.
IT'S GREAT AND IT SHOWS UP IN THE NUMBERS.
THE BUILDINGS ARE OPERATING EFFICIENTLY, UM, MORE EFFICIENT THAN AVERAGE BY A DECENT AMOUNT.
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OUTLINED IN THE REPORT.UM, I SHOULD ALSO MENTION, I THINK EVERYBODY HAS SEEN THE, THE ACTUAL ROADMAP, UM, HACK, UH, STUDY OR, OR THE ACTUAL ROADMAP DOCUMENT THAT'S, THAT WAS IN THE AGENDA.
BILL, ATTACH THE AGENDA BILL, AND I'M JUST REALLY COVERING THOSE HIGHLIGHTS HERE.
UH, BUT JUST TO BRIEFLY COVER SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WORK DONE TO DATE, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS HAD FOR SOME TIME A REALLY LARGE SOLAR ARRAY ASSOCIATED WITH THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS PUT IN, IN 20 14, 20 12 TWELVEISH 2012.
THAT COVERS A LARGE PART OF THAT LOAD, UM, WHICH IS GREAT.
IT'S A BIT OF A COMPLICATED BEAST IN TERMS OF, IT'S NOT OWNED BY THE CITY.
IT'S KIND OF A THIRD PARTY AGREEMENT, AND THE POWER IS COMING BACK TO THE CITY.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A BIT MORE DETAIL.
UH, BREWER ROAD, WHICH I, WE REALIZE IS A LEASED FACILITY, UM, DOES HAVE, UM, SOLAR ON IT, WHICH IS GREAT.
UH, THERE IS AN ANI ENERGY MONITORING SYSTEM THAT IS BEING ROLLED OUT AT THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND THAT IS PART OF THE, BOTH THE WORK TO COME.
BUT THE FACT THAT THE CITY HAS HAS STARTED WORK ON THAT IS GREAT.
UM, ONE THING THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN DOING THAT WE WERE REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF IS, AS SOME OF THE ROOFTOP UNIT, UH, HEATING COOLING UNITS HAVE BEEN ENDING THEIR LIFE AND NEED TO BE REPLACED, UH, THERE, THE CITY'S BEEN REPLACING THEM WITH ALL ELECTRIC UNITS, HEAT PUMP UNITS THAT BOTH HEAT AND COOL, UH, WHICH IS TERRIFIC 'CAUSE THAT MOVING FORWARD, WE WOULD CONTINUE TO RECOMMEND THAT'S THE RIGHT STRATEGY FOR THOSE, UM, EV CHARGERS.
WE SAW THE NEW ID FOUR OUT THERE.
UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S BEEN ROLLING OUT, UH, YOU'VE BEEN PURCHASING RENEWABLE ENERGY CREDITS, UM, THROUGH ARIZONA PUBLIC SERVICE, UM, WHICH IS GREAT.
WE'RE HAVE A LITTLE BIT TO TALK ABOUT WITH THAT, WITH THE OFFSITE RENEWABLES, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
UM, WHEN THE CITY, UM, IS, FEELS, WANTS TO TAKE A, A STEP FORWARD AND, AND GO, UM, BEYOND THAT, UH, LED STREETLIGHTS, THE STREETLIGHTS ARE ACTUALLY PURCHASED.
AND THEN DEFINITELY A SHOUT OUT FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
UM, WE DID HAVE A SUB CONSULTANT.
MCKINSTRY HAS, UM, WE HAVE A LARGE ENGINEERING TEAM.
WE HAVE MECHANICAL ENGINEERS, ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS, UM, ET CETERA.
UM, WE DO NOT HAVE EXPERTISE IN, UM, UH, MUNICIPAL, UM, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS WASTEWATER AND WATER.
SO WE HIRED A SUB-CONSULTANT TO WORK WITH US ON THAT, UH, GROUP NAMED PARAMETRICS.
THEY CAME OUT TO THE SITE, UM, DID A THOROUGH ASSESSMENT, AND THEY BASICALLY CAME BACK AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S NOT A TON TO DO HERE.
'CAUSE THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.
UH, THEY'VE BEEN NOT ONLY OPERATING IT WELL, BUT THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN UPGRADING OVER TIME.
SO BIG THUMBS UP TO THE TEAM OUT THERE.
WE DO HAVE ONE, UH, ONE SPECIFIC THING THAT, THAT, UH, PARAMETRICS IDENTIFIED, AND I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
UM, SO JUST SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES.
UH, IF YOU CAN CLICK THE NEXT GUY.
DO YOU WANT ME TO, IS IT ARE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLICK.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CLEAR MESSAGES THAT WE JUST, UM, AND THESE, BY THE WAY, WE PRESENTED THESE TO THE STAFF TEAM.
WE HAD A, A GREAT CORE TEAM, UH, THAT KIND OF HELPED GUIDE US, UM, OVER TIME THAT WE MET WITH SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF THE ROADMAP.
THOSE FOLKS ARE LISTED ON THE BACK PAGE OF THE ROADMAP.
UM, AND SO WE ESTABLISHED SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES.
THERE'S NOTHING MAGIC ABOUT THESE, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME OF THE SENSE OF, OF HOW WE WERE APPROACHING THINGS.
ONE WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, SEDONA IS VERY SERIOUS ABOUT, UM, SUSTAINABILITY AND THE PLANET AND, UM, IT, THE GOALS THAT IT'S ESTABLISHED.
AND SO REALLY TAKING A HIGH ROAD APPROACH, UM, WHICH, UH, YEAH, ENOUGH SAID ON THAT.
UM, THIS ONE IS REALLY QUITE IMPORTANT.
UM, I THINK FOR ALMOST ALL THE CLIENTS THAT WE WORK WITH, WE DO HAVE A HANDFUL THAT THEY'RE NOT THAT CONCERNED ABOUT IT, BUT ALMOST EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, THE CLIMATE CHANGE IS A VERY ODD THING.
IT'S A, IT'S KIND OF AN UNFUNDED MANDATE THAT IS BEING IMPOSED ON BY THE PLANET ON US BASED ON WHAT WE DO.
AND, UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT STRANGE.
IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHO'S, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE? WHO SHOULD PAY WHO, WHO NEEDS TO PROVIDE LEADERSHIP? AND SO IT DOES BECOME KIND OF AN UNFUNDED MANDATE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.
UM, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY TRY TO PRIDE OURSELVES ON WITH THE WORK THAT WE DO IS HELPING THREAD THE
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NEEDLE OF NOT THROWING MONEY AT THE PROBLEM, BUT TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO ACHIEVE DECARBONIZATION WITH THE INTEGRITY LEVEL THAT IS, IS SOUGHT.UM, SO THE, JUST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, OOPS, I WENT THE WRONG WAY.
UM, ONE REALLY CORE THING IS MAKING SURE THAT WE ALIGN OUR ELECTRIFICATION WITH THE PROCESS OF REPLACING EQUIPMENT.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE REPLACING EQUIPMENT THAT'S NOT WORN OUT.
THAT'S JUST A REAL CORE PRINCIPLE.
AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH HVAC UNITS ON THE ROOF, WHERE WE, WE ARE NOT PROPOSING, OUR PHASING IS BASED ON WHEN, UM, THE, THAT EQUIPMENT ACTUALLY COMES TO THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE AND THEN REPLACING IT.
UH, AND THEN FINALLY, UM, USING PROVEN TECHNOLOGIES.
AND I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR DECADES AND I, UM, I MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS, UM, AT OUR LAST MEETING, I DEVELOPED THE FIRST ZERO ENERGY COMMUNITY IN THE UNITED STATES.
I STARTED WORKING ON THAT ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO.
AND I CAN TELL YOU IT WAS WAY HARDER 15, 20 YEARS AGO TO DO THE KIND OF DECARBONIZATION THAT WE CAN DO TODAY.
IT IS AMAZING THAT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, FOLKS ARE NOT SCRATCHING THEIR HEAD.
SO, UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT'S, THAT LAST BULLET IS NOT A HARD ONE TO DO, WHEREAS 10, 15 YEARS AGO, YEAH, YOU ARE GONNA BE DOING SOME THINGS THAT FOLKS HAVE NOT DONE, AT LEAST REGIONALLY BEFORE.
UM, SOME OF THE KEY FINDINGS IS THIS, BY THE WAY, IS THIS PACE OKAY? THE PACE THAT I'M PRESENTING AT? MM-HMM.
CAN I, WHILE YOU TOOK A BREAK YEAH.
DO YOU WANT QUESTIONS WHILE YOU YES, ABSOLUTELY.
WHILE YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD? OR DO YOU WANNA HOLD THE QUESTIONS? BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO GET THIS DONE ON TIME, SO WHICHEVER IS MOST EFFICIENT, I WOULD, UM, I'M HAPPY EITHER WAY.
I WOULD SAY COUNCIL'S DISCRETION.
WHY DON'T WE LEAVE IT OPEN FOR THE, THE COUNCIL TO, AS LONG AS WE KEEP THEM VERY SHORT AS FAR AS THE QUESTION, SO IT DOESN'T HOLD YOU BACK TOO FAR.
AND MAYBE EVEN JUST TAKE A COUPLE OF BREAKS OR SOMETHING.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
MAYBE IN BETWEEN EACH SECTION YOU GO.
AND JUST ASK FOR THE QUESTIONS WHEN YOU'RE READY.
MAYBE I'LL GET TO, THIS IS KIND OF THE INTRODUCTIONS OR YOU, YOU'RE PROBABLY A LITTLE AFRAID HEARING.
UH, I'LL, I I'M GETTING TO A GOOD BREAK POINT HERE SHORTLY.
UM, SO AS I ALREADY SAID, THE CITY'S CURRENT OPERATIONS ARE ACTUALLY FAIRLY EFFICIENT.
AND I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THAT.
I HAD ALREADY SENT THE, THE POWERPOINT OFF, AND I REALIZED FAIRLY WAS AN UNFAIR WORD THERE.
UH, I MEAN, IT'S, UH, THE CITY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.
UM, BRY AND TEAM, UM, HAVE REALLY, UM, PAID ATTENTION OVER THE YEARS.
UM, I THINK THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS WE FEEL LIKE THERE IS A CLEAR AND COST-EFFECTIVE PATH TO DECARBONIZING CITY OPERATIONS.
UM, AND I CAN SAFELY SAY, I MEAN, WHEN WE GET TO THIS POINT, SOMETIMES THE PRICE TAG IS, YOU KNOW, PRICE TAGS ARE ALL RELATIVE AND IT'S, IT'S OUT OF, IT'S BEYOND OUR PAY GRADE TO SAY WHETHER SOMETHING IS A LOT OR A LITTLE, BUT RELATIVE TO SOME OF OUR OTHER CLIENTS, THIS IS ACTUALLY COMING IN LOOKING PRETTY GOOD, HONESTLY, BASED ON JUST KIND OF EXISTING SYSTEMS AND WHERE THE CITY SITS.
SOME OF THE BIGGEST CO2 REDUCTIONS ARE, UM, COME FROM CONVERTING, UH, THE FLEET OVER TIME TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
UH, CERTAINLY ON AND OFFSITE RENEWABLES, UH, ARE A HUGE HELP.
AND THEN, UH, EVEN THOUGH THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS VERY EFFICIENT, THE ONE MEASURE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE, BECAUSE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT USES SO MUCH ELECTRICITY, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO REDUCE ITS FOOTPRINT ACTUALLY TURNS THE DIAL QUITE A BIT.
UH, AND THEN A LAST FINDING, AND THIS IS REALLY THE CASE HERE BASED ON LOCAL UTILITY PRICES.
AND THIS IS WILD THAT WE'RE AT THIS PLACE IN TIME, IT'S KIND OF EXCITING.
IT'S ACTUALLY LESS EXPENSIVE FOR THE CITY TO GENERATE YOUR OWN RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY ON A PER KWH BASIS THAN IT IS TO BUY IT FROM THE UTILITY, WHICH IS REMARKABLE.
AND THAT IS HELPED IN LARGE PART BY THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT, UM, CREDIT.
BUT, UM, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIAL, 25%, 20 TO FIVE TO 30% DEPENDING.
UM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF NEAT AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT TOO.
UM, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH TWO MORE SLIDES AND THEN I'LL TAKE A QUICK BREAK.
UM, SO THIS IS, UH, JUST HIGH LEVEL HOW MUCH CO2, THE CITY OPERATIONS CURRENTLY GENERATE.
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BIG CHUNK FROM FOSSIL FUELS AN EVEN BIGGER CHUNK FROM ELECTRICITY.UM, THE ELECTRICITY IS BASED ON THE, UM, RENEWABILITY EMBEDDED IN THE, UM, IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA KIND OF GRID MIX, HOW MUCH RENEWABLES ARE PRESENT THERE.
SO YOU KNOW, YOUR USE OF ELECTRICITY, UM, BASICALLY REPRESENTED BY, UM, NATURAL GAS POWERED PLANTS.
THAT'S WHAT THAT TONNAGE COMES FROM.
UH, AND I THINK THE, JUST THE EQUIVALENCIES ON THE RIGHT ARE KIND OF INTERESTING.
UM, JUST TO UNPACK THIS A LITTLE BIT, AND THIS, THIS METRIC HERE IS, UM, ALL THE METRICS GOING FORWARD ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE IN, UM, ENERGY UNITS, UH, COM, UH, LEVELIZED, UH, ENERGY UNITS RATHER THAN CO2.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS SOMETIMES CC O2, UM, EMBEDDED IN ELECTRIC, IN ELECTRICITY IS VARIABLE ENOUGH.
AND HERE IT WILL BE VARIABLE OVER TIME THAT IT IS, WE FIND IT'S, IT'S CLEARER FOR EVERYBODY IF YOU'RE BASING THINGS ON ENERGY UNITS AND THINKING BIG PICTURE ABOUT HOW TO GO FROM WHERE YOU ARE, UM, TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GET.
UM, SO ALL THESE UNITS HERE ARE IN LEVELIZE.
THESE ARE IN WHAT ARE CALLED KBT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY JUST A, A DIFFERENT ENERGY, UH, UNIT SIMILAR TO, UH, SAY A KILOWATT HOUR.
SO, UM, INTERESTINGLY, THE FACILITIES THEMSELVES ARE THE MINORITY OF ENERGY USE.
SO CITY HALL WHERE WE'RE SITTING IS THIS LITTLE BAR HERE, IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT A TON.
UM, THAT SAID, IF YOU JUST SEG OUT THE FACILITIES, THAT IS A LARGE FOOTPRINT, IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF, OF MANY DOZENS OF HOUSES.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CERTAINLY DON'T RECOMMEND JUST IGNORING THE FACILITIES AND FOCUSING ON THE FLEET AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, CITY VEHICLES DO ACCOUNT FOR A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE CARBON FOOTPRINT, UM, AND ENERGY USE, UH, PUBLIC TRANSPORT AS A HEALTHY AMOUNT, AS WELL AS TWO SMALLER AMOUNTS, UM, HERE FOR SOME OF THE LARGE VEHICLES.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE IS QUITE A BIT.
AND, UM, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, THIS IS, UH, THE AMOUNT NOT INCLUDING THE SOLAR THAT'S GENERATED FROM THE LONG ROAD, UM, PLANT.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WITHOUT THAT CONTRIBUTION.
AND THEN THE LIFT STATIONS, YOU KIND OF DON'T REALLY THINK ABOUT LIFT STATIONS JUST MOVING SEWAGE AND SEWAGE AROUND.
THOSE PUMPS USE A LOT OF POWER IN THEIR OPERATING QUITE OFTEN.
SO, UM, I WILL TAKE A BREAK HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL? MADEAS? THIS SIDE? OKAY, PETE, NOTHING
I'M GONNA, I'M FROM SEATTLE AND I'M REALLY HOT, SO I TAKE MY COAT OFF
UM, I, MY BODY'S NOT QUITE USED TO THIS HEAT, UM, SO I APPRECIATE IT.
UM, OKAY, SO, UH, NOW WE'RE GONNA TALK IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE GET FROM WHERE WE ARE NOW TO A DECARBONIZED FUTURE STATE.
AND WE KIND OF, WE, WE WERE TRIED TO BE CREATIVE HERE AND ALSO HAVE A NICE LOCAL ANALOGY, WHICH WAS CLIMBING THE SPIRE OF DECARBONIZATION.
UM, AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT THIS BIG PICTURE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT OUR, UH, BACK TO OUR ENERGY USE, WE HAVE FOSSIL FUEL USE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DECREASE, AND THEN DIRTY ELECTRICITY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DECREASE, JUST FROM A VERY HIGH LEVEL, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DECREASE THESE ON BOTH SIDES? ON FOSSIL FUEL, IT'LL BE THROUGH EFFICIENCY AND ELECTRIFICATION.
DIRTY ELECTRICITY IS GONNA BE A COMBINATION OF EFFICIENCY ALSO ON ONSITE SOLAR AS WELL AS SOLAR OR RENEWABLE POWER THAT IS PURCHASED FROM THE LOCAL UTILITY COULD ALSO, THERE'S AN ASTERISK AROUND OTHER PATHWAYS OF THAT LAST BULLET THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT A BIT.
UM, SO THIS IS, THAT LAST SLIDE WAS THE SPIRE IN CONCEPT.
AND THIS GRAPHIC IS THE SPIRE IN REALITY.
SO IF YOU, SO THIS IS NOT A PHASING PLAN.
THIS IS BASICALLY A STEPWISE PLAN THAT GETS YOU FROM YOUR CURRENT STATE, UH, AND TAKES YOU TO YOUR DECARBONIZED FUTURE STATE.
SO, UM, BEAR WITH ME AS I WALK THROUGH THIS 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST COMP COMPLEX THING IN, IN THE PRESENTATION TODAY.
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THIS IS CALLED A DOUBLE POSITIVE GRAPH.SO AS YOU MOVE AWAY FROM THE Y AXIS HERE, RUNNING UP THE MIDDLE, ALL THE NUMBERS GOING IN THIS DIRECTION ARE POSITIVE AND ALL THE NUMBERS GOING IN THIS DIRECTION ARE POSITIVE.
AND SO THE NUMBERS ON THIS SIDE, AGAIN, UH, REPRESENT DIRTY FO OR FOSSIL FUEL USAGE.
AND THE NUMBERS ON THIS SIDE REPRESENT, UM, DIRTY ELECTRICITY.
SO CURRENTLY THIS IS OUR CURRENT USE.
UM, THESE NUMBERS ARE FAIRLY SIMILAR EXCEPT THE, UM, THAT WE DID SHOW IN HERE.
THIS IS THE CONTRIBUTION OF THE CURRENT, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UM, SOLAR ARRAY.
IT DOES A LOT OF GREAT WORK FOR THE CITY.
THE NEXT STEP WITH BUILDING EFFICIENCY IS REDUCING, UH, ENERGY USE ON BOTH SIDES.
WE'RE GONNA BE SAVING FOSSIL FUELS, UH, AS WELL AS ELECTRICITY THROUGH AN ARRAY OF MEASURES THAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT SHORTLY.
NORMALLY THESE NUMBERS WOULD LOOK BIGGER AND THE REASON THEY DON'T LOOK THAT BIG HERE IS A CITY IS ALREADY OPERATING PRETTY EFFICIENTLY.
AND B, BECAUSE WE'VE INCLUDED THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE ROADMAP AS WELL AS THE FLEET, IT MAKES THIS LOOK REALLY BIG.
UM, WE SOMETIMES WILL DO ROADMAPS THAT JUST LOOK AT FACILITIES, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND IN THOSE CASES, THE EFFICIENCY KIND OF POPS OUT MUCH MORE INFRASTRUCTURE EFFICIENCY.
UM, WE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY THAT IS FOCUSING ON THREE THINGS THAT WOULD BE REDUCING ENERGY USE OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
A LITTLE BIT OF ENERGY REDUCTION ON THE, UM, THE, UH, THE PUMP STATIONS AS WELL AS INSTALLING THE LED STREET LIGHTS.
UM, THIS IS WHERE THINGS GET KIND OF INTERESTING LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS HERE.
SO THIS IS THE FLEET ELECTRIFICATION.
SO ELIMINATING THE CITY'S, UM, GASOLINE USAGE IS A LOT.
IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY TURN THE DIAL QUITE A BIT.
HOWEVER, WHEN YOU DO THAT, UH, ELECTRI ELECTRIFICATION OF THE EV ADDS TO THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY THAT THE CITY'S GONNA USE SO THAT IT DECREASES HERE.
THE BLUE IS THE REDUCTION BY ELIMINATING GAS VEHICLES.
AND THE GRAY BAR HERE IS THE INCREASE ON THIS SIDE BASED ON, UM, THE FLEET, UH, FLEET ELECTRIFICATION.
ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT, UM, IS THAT YOU'D THINK THESE BARS WOULD BE THE SAME SIZE.
THEY'RE NOT THOUGH, BECAUSE EVS ARE, ARE MORE EFFICIENT, UM, AT CONVERTING ENERGY TO FORWARD MOVEMENT THAN GAS CARS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT THE AMOUNT OF POWER THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE ELECTRIFIED VEHICLES IS LESS.
SAME THING GOES FOR BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION.
SO BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION HERE FOR THE MOST PART IS GONNA BE TRANS, IS GONNA BE MOVING NATURAL GAS TO, UM, HEAT PUMP BASED HEATING.
UM, SO THIS IS LIMITING ALL THOSE LITTLE GAS BURNERS UP ON THE ROOFS AND CONVERTING 'EM INTO HEAT PUMP BASED SYSTEMS. HEAT PUMPS ARE ALSO REALLY EFFICIENT, UM, RELATIVE TO, UM, COMBUSTION, UH, THEY'RE ROUGHLY TWO TO TWO AND A HALF TO THREE TIMES MORE EFFICIENT.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY, SO HERE WE'VE BASICALLY INCREASED YOUR ELECTRICITY USE, BUT WE'VE ELIMINATED YOUR FOSSIL FUEL USE.
UM, AND THEN IN TWO ADDITIONAL STEPS, THIS IS THAT LAST LEG OF THE STOOL, HOW DO WE THEN REDUCE, UM, HOW DO WE ACTUALLY GET TO FULL DECARBONIZATION? THAT'S GONNA BE THROUGH APPLYING SOLAR.
SO, UM, SOLAR IS GONNA BE THIS LAST CHUNK HERE, THIS IS ON ADDITIONAL ONSITE SOLAR BEYOND WHAT THE CITY ALREADY HAS, AS WELL AS, UM, POTENTIALLY A FULL-FLEDGED, UH, RENEWABLE POWER PURCHASE FROM UM, A PS OR ANOTHER SOURCE.
SO THIS IS AT THE END OF EVERYTHING WHERE WE ARE AIMING TO BE.
SO WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE DIRTY ELECTRICITY.
UM, NO, THE LAST TWO STEPS GETS YOU TO NO DIRTY ELECTRICITY.
SO I CAN'T JUST LOOK AT THIS AND OKAY.
WHAT I, WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS TEASE, TEASE THINGS APART SO PEOPLE COULD SEE HOW THE NUMBERS WORKED BEFORE YOU GOT TO THE TOP BAR.
UM, SO THIS IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF PHASING PLAN.
SO THE LAST THING THAT WE WERE SHOWING WAS NOT NECESSARILY ASSOCIATED WITH ANY ACTIONS OVER
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TIME.IT WAS JUST BIG PICTURE BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN YOU FULLY DECARBONIZE HOW THE NUMBERS ARE GONNA MOVE AROUND.
THIS HOWEVER, IS ACTUALLY A ROLLUP OF THE, UM, ROADMAP THAT WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ESTABLISH THROUGH OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR PROCESS, UH, OF, UM, DOING THE PLAN.
SO THIS IS BROKEN INTO FOUR PHASES AND I'LL JUST BREAK THESE APART AND TALK ABOUT THESE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THE FIRST PHASE WAS JUST SOME ACTIVITY THAT, UH, JUST IN CONVERSATIONS WITH WITH BRYCE AND, AND ANDY AND OTHERS SEEMED LIKE WERE ACTIVITIES THAT COULD HAPPEN TODAY.
AND THOSE ARE THE LED LIGHTING RETROFIT, UH, WHICH YOU HAVE THE EQUIPMENT, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE INSTALLED.
AND THEN ALSO DOING SOME WORK ON THE AUTONOMY SYSTEM.
THE CITY ALREADY HAS THAT SYSTEM AND JUST NEEDS PROGRAMMING AND, AND SOME APPLICATIONS.
UM, THE NEXT PHASE, AND THIS IS VERY TYPICAL FOR WHAT WE SEE WHEN FOLKS ARE DOING A DECARBONIZATION PLAN, OFTEN THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL EARLY PHASE.
AND THAT'S MAINLY BECAUSE THERE'S JUST A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO JUST DO THINGS AND KIND OF OPERATING OFF THE PRINCIPLE THAT IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY, YOU MIGHT AS WELL DO IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER IS YEAH.
ELLA AND PETE, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M LOOKING AT ON YOUR STARK COLUMN OF THE MBT, WHAT IS THE BOTTOM SLASH THAT IS ALSO REFLECTED IN THE ENDING COLUMN? YEAH, WE WERE TRYING AND WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THIS GRAPH.
SO, SO THAT NUMBER RIGHT THERE IS 15,000.
AND THAT NUMBER RIGHT THERE IS ZERO.
AND SO THIS OFFSITE RENEWABLE NUMBER WAS QUITE LARGE.
SO WE, UH, THAT'S A COMMON WAY TO DENOTE WHEN YOU HAVE A BREAK IN A LARGE BAR LIKE THAT.
AND SO WE WENT BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE DONE THE GRAPH WHERE THE 15,000 CAME UP TO HERE, BUT THEN IT WAS GONNA COMPRESS ALL THIS OTHER WORK AND MAKE IT REALLY DIFFICULT TO SEE THE IMPACT OF THAT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UM, IT'S, I'M, YEAH.
TO ASK YOUR QUESTION, PETE, DO YOU HAVE ONE? I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THIS DIAGRAM AND THE PREVIOUS ONE.
THIS ONE SHOWS THE BASELINE OF 24,000 MTBU AND I'M LOOKING AT WHETHER THAT IS, HOW DOES THAT SCALE TO THE CURRENT USE LEFT SIDE 12,000 KBTU YOU? UH, LET ME SEE.
CAN YOU TAKE IT BACK FOR ME? THANK YOU.
UM, WE HAVE A BREAK IN THE NUMBERS THERE.
I THINK THAT MATT, ARE YOU ONLINE? I AM, YES.
SO THAT NEXT, THIS SLIDE SHOULD BE KBTU, CORRECT? THIS SLIDE IS MBTU.
THE PREVIOUS SLIDE IS KBTU AND IN THE MILLIONS.
CAN YOU GO BACK? SO THE BOTTOM GOT IT.
THANK YOU FOR THINKING FOR ME.
SO THE BOTTOM, THAT ONE IS SHOWING THE CURRENT USE OF, I DON'T KNOW, 12,000 KBTU, IT'S ABOVE 10.
IT'S A, WHATEVER THAT SCALE IS, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S, YOU GOT TO ADD, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE 20.
OKAY, BRIAN AND MELISSA, DID YOU HAVE ONE? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
HOW SHOULD WE, HOW SHOULD WE BE THINKING ABOUT RES IN THIS GRAPH? ARE THEY WITHIN SOLAR OR HOW, HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT THOSE? I THINK OUR, UH, RES ARE RIGHT HERE IN THAT BIG CHUNK RIGHT THERE.
UM, SO THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED OFFSITE.
AND OFFSITE DOESN'T HAVE A TIME PHASING ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
WE DID NOT PUT A TIME PHASE IN THERE.
WE, WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS SO DISCRETIONARY.
I MEAN THAT IT COULD BE ANYTIME BETWEEN NOW AND 2030, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN YOUR KIND OF ULTIMATE GOAL IS.
AND YOU'RE GONNA TALK MORE ABOUT R EECS? YEP.
ACTUALLY, UH, CAN YOU GO BACK, I'M SORRY.
FOR SOME REASON IT'S NOT GOING BACK FOR ME.
JUST TO SAY A FEW MORE WORDS ABOUT THIS TO UNPACK.
SO THE EFFICIENCY SHOWN UNDER PHASE TWO, A LARGE CHUNK OF THAT IS ACTUALLY WOULD BE
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IMPLEMENTING, UM, FAIRLY LARGE OR A LARGE IMPACT PROJECT AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.IT'S ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY NOT THAT LARGE.
UM, BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THAT'S MOSTLY JUST, UM, REPLACING A LOT OF THE CURRENT, UM, GAS BASED UNITS WITH, UM, HEAT PUMPS.
AND THEN, UH, FLEET ELECTRIFICATION.
I WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR THE FIRST PHASE HERE, THE PHASE TWO FOR FLEET ELECTRIFICATION IS MOSTLY FOCUSED ON, UM, UH, THE KIND OF CITY OPERATIONAL FLEET LIKE THE CORE FLEET, NOT, UH, EXCLUSIVE OF THE MAJORITY OF THE POLICE FLEET.
UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF THE FLEET VEHICLES AS A COUPLE OF THE PATROL VEHICLES, UH, WOULD BE UNDER PHASE TWO.
WE ARE INCLUDING A LOT OF THE ELECTRICAL USE.
YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THE ELECTRICAL IMPROVEMENTS TWICE AT THE FACILITIES JUST 'CAUSE YOU'D INCREASE YOUR COSTS SUBSTANTIALLY.
THE THOUGHT IS, IS THAT THE POLICE, UM, PHASING WOULD OCCUR LATER AND WE HAVE 20, 27 DOWN AS AN A, UM, A DATE BASED ON INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, TO ENABLE THAT.
BUT CERTAINLY FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE UP TO WHEREVER THE CITY IS AT AT THAT GIVEN TIME.
UH, WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE OR NOT.
UM, I THINK THOSE ARE THE THINGS I WAS GONNA COVER THERE.
AND CERTAINLY WE CAN, WHERE, WHERE I'M HEADED WITH THE PRESENTATION IS I'M GIVING YOU A HIGH LEVEL NOW AND THEN ACTUALLY GOING, THEN GETTING BACK AND BACKING INTO ADDITIONAL DETAIL SO WE CAN, UM, I LIKE TO KIND OF START WITH THE BIG PICTURE AND THEN, UM, MOVE INTO THE DETAILS.
UM, THIS IS JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT THE PHASING.
UM, THIS IS ALSO IN THE ROADMAP ITSELF.
UM, SO JUST GETTING INTO SOME OF THE COSTS, I WANNA UNPACK THIS WITH YOU ALL.
UM, 'CAUSE THIS IS OBVIOUSLY QUITE IMPORTANT.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE TOTAL IMPLEMENTATION COST, UM, AND THIS IS RELATED TO THE, BASICALLY ALL THE PHYSICAL CHANGES THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN, THE TOTAL COST OF THAT, BASED ON OUR ESTIMATES WERE AROUND $13 MILLION.
UM, YOU WOULD SPEND ABOUT $2 MILLION ANYWAY BASED ON THINGS THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO REPLACE AS PART OF YOUR NORMAL, UH, MAINTENANCE PROCESS.
THINGS LIKE THE ROOFTOP UNITS TO HEAT AND COOL THE BUILDINGS, ET CETERA.
IT'S PROBABLY THE MAIN ONE OF THOSE.
BUT THERE ARE OTHERS, BOILERS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
THERE IS A HEALTHY AMOUNT OF OPERATING SAVINGS THAT WOULD COME WITH THESE CHANGES.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE, UH, IN ADDITION INCENTIVE JUST PAYMENT INCENTIVES THAT ARE OUT THERE.
UH, PARTICULARLY THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT INCENTIVE OF ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS.
UH, THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED JUST WITH THE, UM, SOLAR COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT.
AND SO YOUR NET COST THEN WOULD BE AROUND $4 MILLION.
AND THAT'S FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT.
THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S OVER, RIGHT.
YOU STARTED TO A ANSWER MY QUESTION, WHAT IS THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT? SO WHAT PERIOD OF TIME ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? OKAY.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF THE ROADMAP, IT WOULD BE TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR QUESTION, UH, BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
BUT THEN WE AL WE TAKE, UM, INDUSTRY STANDARD USEFUL LIFE OF THE BENEFIT STREAM OF THE VARIOUS THINGS.
SO, UM, THERE'S A THING CALLED THE ASHRAY STANDARD OF WHAT IS TYPICALLY CONSIDERED TO BE A USEFUL LIFE OF SOMETHING.
UH, HEAT PUMP IS TYPICALLY 15 YEARS.
UM, SOLAR ARRAYS TEND TO JUMP UP.
ACTUALLY SOLAR ARRAYS ARE PRETTY DURABLE.
UM, WE TYPICALLY, OR NOT TYPICALLY WE ALWAYS ASSOCIATE SOLAR ON ROOFTOPS WITH THE REPLACEMENT OF THE ROOF.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THE SOLAR MIDSTREAM BECAUSE TO TAKE THE, THE COST OF TAKING SOLAR ON AND OFF A ROOF JUST TO DO A ROOF REPLACEMENT IS REALLY COSTLY.
AND IT, IT, YOU KNOW, ADDS 50% OF THE, TO THE COST OVER ITS LIFETIME OF THE ARRAY.
UH, SO TYP, SO 25% IS WHAT WE TYPICALLY USE ON SOLAR ROOFTOP.
AND THEN WE'LL TYPICALLY APPLY 30% FOR CARPORTS JUST 'CAUSE THEY'RE MORE DURABLE.
UM, AM I ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION? KIND OF.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE SPENT $13 MILLION TODAY AND IT TAKES US ANYWHERE BETWEEN 15 AND 25 YEARS TO RECOVER IT? THAT PART, THAT'S $6 MILLION.
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THAT PART'S $6 MILLION.YEAH, BUT WHAT THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT COSTS, THAT'S OVER SOME PERIOD OF TIME TOO.
'CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING DON'T REPLACE THEM, THAT'S OVER A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, YEAH, AND THAT'S BASED ON THE PHASING.
SO THAT'S BETWEEN NOW AND 2030.
SO THAT $2 MILLION WOULD BE RECAP, RECAPTURED, ESSENTIALLY, OR JUST PAID FOR IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
UH, THE 6 MILLION WOULD BE OVER THE USEFUL LIFE OF THE SPECIFIC ITEMS. THE INCENTIVES WOULD COME BACK TODAY.
NOW, UM, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THIS IS FOR THE ROADMAP IS FOR THE MOST PART, UM, AGNOSTIC AS FAR AS HOW THIS IS IMPLEMENTED.
SO, UM, SOME FOLKS, I WOULD SAY IT'S ABOUT 50 50 WITH OUR PUBLIC SECTOR CLIENTS.
MANY PUBLIC SECTOR CLIENTS PAY AS THEY GO.
THEY'LL PAY IT OUT OF THEIR BUDGET.
MANY OTHER, UM, CLIENTS WILL, UH, USE LIKE A, A TAX CREDIT BASED LOAN, UH, NOT NECESSARILY A BOND.
THEY MIGHT USE SOMETHING CALLED, THERE'S LIKE A TAX EXEMPT LEASE PURCHASE, WHICH IS A MECHANISM A LOT OF FOLKS USE.
UM, MANY STATES HAVE A SYSTEM CALLED, UM, A COP, WHICH ENABLES THEM, WELL THAT'S ACTUALLY A BAD EXAMPLE.
UM, THE, SOME STATES HAVE PUBLIC TRUST FUNDS THAT THEY CAN BORROW FROM AND GET LOW INTEREST COSTS.
SO THAT WOULD BE A SCENARIO WHERE YOU WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO TAKE THOSE OPERATING COSTS AND YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY WAITING FOR THEM.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE BASICALLY IN THE PROJECT AT THE TIME THAT YOU'RE APPROVING THE PROJECT.
AND KIND OF ADDING ON TO WHERE THE VICE MAYOR WAS AT, LOOK, I, I'M GONNA TRY TO BE MEASURED IN MY COMMENTS HERE.
ONE OF MY FRUSTRATIONS AS AS A COUNSELOR IS WHAT WE SEE HERE IS NOT THE SAME THING IN THE PACKET.
AND IN THE PACKET THERE'S SMALL PRINT NOTES THAT GO WITH THIS SLIDE.
AND THEY SAY THAT THE COSTS AND THE BENEFITS ARE A SWAG OF PLUS OR MINUS 25%.
SO THE COST COULD BE ACTUALLY UPWARDS OF 16 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS.
THE BENEFITS COULD BE DOWN TO FOUR AND A HALF.
AND BECAUSE THE ASSET LIFE IS ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 30 YEARS, THE BENEFITS SHOULD BE SHOWING ON A NET PRESENT VALUE BASIS, WHICH WOULD ERODE MORE THAN HALF OF THE VALUE OF THE STATED BENEFITS.
SO THAT IN REALITY, THE TOTAL NET COST OF DECARBONIZATION, IF YOU WANT TO ACTUALLY SHOW A REAL RANGE, I MEAN, CHANCES ARE THAT NET COST IS GONNA BE DOUBLE THIS NUMBER, MAYBE TRIPLE THIS NUMBER.
SO I'M VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THAT BECAUSE I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING SET WITHIN A A, IN A NUMBER HERE.
THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST AN UTTERLY UNREALISTIC NUMBER.
I MEAN, THIS JUST DOES NOT ADHERE TO ANY KIND OF FINANCE PROPER FINANCIAL MODELING FOR ANY TYPE OF ECONOMIC VALUE ANALYSIS.
LIKE, I MEAN, I JUST, I STRUGGLE WITH THIS.
THEY'RE JUST PLAIN, SIMPLY NOT REAL.
GIVEN THE LIMITATIONS THAT YOU'VE STATED THAT EXIST WITH THESE AND THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE NET PRESENT VALUE ANALYSIS TO BRING IT BACK TO WHAT'S THE REAL NUMBER TODAY AS WE SIT HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, FOR BRYCE AND TEAM, WHEN, WHEN YOU GUYS ARE PREPARING BUDGET FOR, YOU KNOW, REQUESTS FOR STUFF LIKE THIS, FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR, I MEAN THIS, THIS HAS TO BE DONE, RIGHT? THIS ISN'T IT.
SO JUST HEADS UP RIGHT NOW, LIKE I'M, I'M GONNA BE WATCHING THIS REALLY CLOSE.
SO THE ONE THING I'D ADD TO IT, I MEAN, BRAD AND, AND CHRYSLER COULD SPEAK MORE TO THE METHODOLOGY USED BEHIND THE, THE FINANCIAL NUMBERS FOR IT.
I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE, UH, CHOSE MCKINSTRY, UH, WITH THEIR EXPERTISE TO, TO, TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
BUT, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE, THE, THE ROADMAP ITSELF IS TO GET US INTO THE BALLPARK RANGE OF LIKE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT AS A HOLISTIC, LIKE IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO DO? WHAT DO WE NEED TO BUDGET FOR ALL THOSE COMPONENTS TO START TO GET US INTO THAT RANGE? VERSUS US COMING TO YOU WITH A HALF BAKED PLANS OR IDEAS AND THROWING SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT COULD BE 500,000 ON INITIAL THOUGHT.
AND THEN ONCE WE GET TO A, A COMPONENT OF A FULL DESIGN, IT GOES OUT AND IT'S MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE.
SO THIS FIRST GOAL WAS TO GET US STARTED IN THAT BALLPARK.
THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE, OR THE PURSUIT THAT WE HAVE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR IS THAT IT'S, UH, WE HAVE A PHASE TWO, UH, PROPOSAL, UH, THAT WE'RE EVALUATING AND WHATNOT THAT WOULD GET US MORE TO THAT FULL DESIGN PHASE ELEMENT THAT WOULD LOOK AT, UH, GMAX OR, UH,
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GENERAL MAX PRICING, UH, COMPONENTS TO IT THAT WOULD HAVE THE FULL DETAIL OF LIKE, WHAT DOES DESIGN LOOK LIKE? WHAT DO THE CHARGERS LOOK LIKE? WHAT DO THE, THE SOLAR PANELS LOOK LIKE? AND GET US TO THAT SPOT OF, UH, LIKE THE FULLY BAKED IN THAT THAT PRICING COMPONENT, THIS INITIAL ROADMAP IS JUST LIKE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? WHAT'S THAT KIND OF BITE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO GET INTO, BUT TO GET US TO THAT NEXT PHASE AS, AS, UH, BRAD MENTIONED, WE COULD SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY ON DESIGN AND ALL THESE THINGS UP FRONT AND THEN GET TO IT WHERE COUNCIL, UH, AT YOUR DIRECTION IS LIKE, MAYBE WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THIS PIECE.MAYBE WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THAT, BUT THEN WE SPEND ALL THIS MONEY UP FRONT THAT DOESN'T GET US THERE.
SO THIS INITIAL ONE IS TO BITE OFF A LITTLE PIECE TO GET US TO THAT, UH, SPOT WHERE WE CAN START TO HAVE, UH, THIS CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING TODAY OF JUST LIKE, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? WHAT ARE THOSE PHASING PIECES AND WHAT ARE THOSE COSTS? AND THEN, UH, BASED OFF THE FEEDBACK WE'RE GETTING AND, AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE, UH, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT TODAY IS THIS ASPECT OF THAT WHEN WE GO TO GET THIS NEXT PROPOSAL THAT GETS TO THAT DESIGN LEVEL, GROUND LEVEL DETAIL, THAT IT HAS A MORE DEFINITIVE GENERAL MAX PRICING, UH, THAT IS ATTACHED WITH IT.
RICE, I KNOW YOU'LL DO THE RIGHT THING.
I KNOW YOUR TEAM WILL DO GOOD ANALYSIS ON THIS, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS NOT SETTING A PROPER EXPECTATION.
4 MILLION AND, AND, AND IT GETS, WE GET INTO THE COBE STUFF, LIKE THEN MY HEAD KIND OF EXPLODES.
SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING AN ACCURATE BALLPARK HERE.
AND AGAIN, I TRUST THAT YOU WILL BRING ACCURATE NUMBERS LATER, BUT I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE TELLING US RIGHT NOW, 4 MILLION IS YOUR ROUGH NET COST OF DECARBONIZATION.
AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO ARGUING AND I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THIS FOR ANYBODY ELSE'S PAIN AND SUFFERING HERE.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND, AND MOVE ON.
WELL I'VE, I'M KIND OF IN THE SAME PLACE THAT YOU ARE.
I WANNA KNOW A PRIORITY, A LIST OF PRIORITIES.
WHERE DO YOU GET THE MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK? AND I DON'T LIKE SOFT NUMBERS AT ALL.
THE CO-BENEFITS TO ME, IT'S JUST NOT REAL.
IT'S INTERESTING, BUT I WOULDN'T PUT INTO ANY FORMULA THAT FOR ANY FINANCIAL ANALYSIS WHATSOEVER.
IN FACT, I WISH THERE WASN'T EVEN NUMBERS.
IT'S JUST KIND OF CONCEPTS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD VALUE, AS AN EXAMPLE, EMPLOYEE RETENTION BASED ON CLIMATE LEADERSHIP AND ACTUALLY HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO I WANT SOMETHING THAT'S TANGIBLE AND, AND, AND ALSO IN A PRIORITY.
SO IF WE ONLY HAVE DECIDE WE WANNA SPEND X NUMBER OF DOLLARS THIS YEAR, WHAT ARE WE GONNA GET FOR IT? AND LET'S PRIORITIZE IT BASED ON WHERE WE GET THE MOST.
SO TAKE US CLOSEST TO 2030 AND I DON'T SEE THAT HERE.
SO MAYBE THAT'S THE NEXT PHASE.
BUT WE HAVE OUR BUDGET PRIORITY SETTING IN DECEMBER, SO IT'S COMING UP.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE RESPOND JUST A BIT 'CAUSE I REALLY APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WITH THESE SORTS OF PLANS, AND THESE ARE THE SORTS OF PLANS WE DO QUITE REGULARLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE WORLD OF CONSTRUCTION, WE TEND TO APPROACH PRICING IN PARTICULAR, LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A FUNNEL.
UH, THERE'S A GROUP CALLED THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF COST ENGINEERING AND THEY HAVE FIVE LEVELS OF COST ESTIMATING ONE THROUGH FIVE, AND ONE IS LIKE RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET THE BID.
IT'S LIKE WITHIN, IT'S REALLY CLOSE AND FIVE IS A SWAG.
UM, I WOULD CALL THIS A LEVEL FOUR ESTIMATE THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON HERE.
AND THIS IS ALWAYS ATTENTION ANYTIME WE'RE IN A PLANNING PROCESS, IF, I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE EASILY DONE MUCH, MUCH MORE ACCURATE NUMBERS.
THAT'S ACTUALLY, I THINK WHERE THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO HEAD WITH THIS IS TO GET TO A GREATER LEVEL OF DETAIL.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T PROVIDE CERTAINTY WITHOUT DOING MORE DESIGN ON PRICING.
AND THAT GETS INTO, YOU KNOW, I, I ACTUALLY FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT IN WITH OUR, WHERE, WITH WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS.
BUT THE REALITY IS, IS WE PROBABLY WOULD'VE SPENT, HAD TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED AND ANOTHER A HUNDRED OR $200,000 TO GET TO A LEVEL OF CERTAINTY, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THAT LEVEL OF DESIGN.
IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE DESIGNING THINGS.
WE WOULD BE WRITING OUT SPECS AND THEN PRICING IT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE DO OUR BEST WITH WHERE WE'RE AT.
I DO, I WILL TAKE OWNERSHIP FOR THE FACT THAT I DIDN'T MAKE CLEAR THAT THIS WAS, THAT IT IS A FOOTNOTE.
UM, IT'S ALWAYS HARD WITH THESE PRESENTATIONS.
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WE'RE TALKING TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT FOLKS AND, UM, TRYING TO HIT THE SWEET SPOT OF IN TOO MUCH INFORMATION AND NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION IS, IS HARD OFTEN.SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT HOPEFULLY IS CLEARLY THERE IN THE, UM, IN THE ROADMAP ITSELF.
AND WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO HIDE THE BALL.
THIS IS, THESE ARE ROUGH, WHAT WE WOULD CALL ROUGH ORDER OF MAGNITUDE NUMBERS.
THEY COULD JUST AS EASILY BE LESS THAN THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE SHOWING.
AND FRANKLY, BECAUSE ARE OF OUR NATURE, WE, WE ACTUALLY, WE TEND TO ERR A LITTLE BIT CONSERVATIVELY BECAUSE IF WE'RE INVOLVED WITH THE PROJECT IN THE FUTURE, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OFTEN ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE NUMBERS.
JUST ONE OTHER, A COUPLE OF OTHER, I THINK JUST ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO MENTION, JUST IN TERMS OF NET PRESENT VALUE, UH, AND METHODOLOGY AROUND THAT.
THIS IS, I ADMITTEDLY A VERY SIMPLIFIED ANALYSIS.
UM, BECAUSE I, I THINK IT, IT'S TRYING TO FIT WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS.
IT'S TRUE THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE INTEREST.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW HOW THE CITY WOULD OR WOULDN'T FINANCE THIS.
IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T INCLUDE ESCALATION EITHER.
IT DOESN'T INCLUDE UTILITY ESCALATION.
AND SO WE KNOW, UM, FROM WORKING ON A LOT OF PROFORMAS ON THESE SORTS OF PROJECTS THAT MONKEYING WITH INTEREST RATES OR ESCALATION, ESPECIALLY WITH TWO DIFFERENT UTILITY RATES, UM, YOU CAN GO IN ANY DIRECTION YOU WANT WITH THOSE SORTS OF ANALYSES.
SO IN A WAY WE ACTUALLY DON'T LIKE TO PUT THOSE IN BECAUSE, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT REASON.
SO WHETHER THAT'S GOOD OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? UH, YEAH, I THINK, UH, THE COMMENTS WERE HEARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO THE CODE BENEFITS, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING AGAIN, BASED ON THE, UH, NUMEROUS AMOUNT OF CLIENTS THAT WE WORK WITH PUTTING TOGETHER THESE ROADMAPS, WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO THIS.
UM, SO I THINK WE WERE MAKING OUR BEST FAITH EFFORT TO CAPTURE THOSE.
UM, I THINK MOVING FORWARD WHEN IT COMES TO ACTUALLY I THINK BUDGETING, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS MAYBE ONE OF YOUR CONCERNS WITH IS THIS IS THE REAL NUMBER THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT IN OUR CAPITAL PLANNING PROCESS.
UH, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE, WE DIDN'T WANNA GET THE, UH, CART TOO FAR, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF THE HORSE HERE, BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO ACTUALLY SCOPING THESE PROJECTS, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ANSWERING THE QUESTION, IS THIS POSSIBLE? HOW COULD WE POSSIBLY GET THERE IN A GENERAL FRAMEWORK? AND THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE DUE DILIGENCE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE SPECIFICITY THAT I THINK, UM, COUNCILOR FOLTZ IS ASKING FOR.
AND, UH, UM, VICE MAYOR P WERE ASKING FOR.
SO, UM, CERTAINLY, UM, UNDERSTOOD, HEARD, AND, UM, I THINK TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
YEAH, AND I MAY, I MAY JUST ADD ANOTHER, ANOTHER ITEM.
TYPICALLY, ONCE WE ACTUALLY ARRIVE, LIKE IF, IF WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING THESE PROJECTS, THE LEVEL OF FINANCIAL DETAIL IS MUCH GREATER.
WE ACTUALLY GO OUT AND GET BIDS FOR THE WORK AND ALL THAT.
ALL THAT INFORMATION IS TOTALLY TRANSPARENT AND THE WHOLE PROFORMA, ALL THE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT ESCALATION IF YOU ARE DOING LOANS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, THAT ALL GETS EMBEDDED IN THE PROJECT.
AND SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS.
I, I HAD JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE $13 MILLION.
IS THAT NEW SPENDING? THAT'S NOT PROGRAMMED YET.
I MEAN, WE'RE DOING SOME ELECTRIC VEHICLE ALREADY IN THE BUDGET PLAN, AND WE DO LIFT PUMP REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE.
BUT IS THIS $13 MILLION THAT'S BRAND NEW, THAT'S REALLY NOT BAKED IN ANY OF THE BUDGET, OR IS SOME THERE? UH, GREAT QUESTION, COUNSELOR.
UH, SO FOR THE, UM, FOR STRICTLY FOR THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME OUTTA SUSTAINABILITY, WE, WE HAVE ABOUT THREE AND THREE AND A HALF MILLION OR SO THAT WAS, UH, LISTED AS LIKE DECARBONIZATION PROJECTS, UH, FOR FUTURE ROUNDS.
AND THIS WAS UNDER THIS, UH, NOTION.
IT'S LIKE WE NEEDED AS A PLACEHOLDER AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS ROAD MAPPING PROCESS AND FURTHER DEVELOPMENT TO BE ABLE TO FURTHER DEFINE THOSE NUMBERS.
UH, SO INITIALLY THE, UH, BUDGETING HAS ABOUT THREE, THREE AND A HALF MILLION, SPECIFICALLY ON JUST LIKE DECARBONIZATION ROADMAP PROJECTS.
UH, THE STREETLIGHT, UH, RETROFIT THAT IS, UH, FULLY BUDGETED FOR, UH, FOR, FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR AS WELL AS A PORTION OF IT WAS FOR LAST FISCAL YEAR.
AND THAT ONE WAS 180,000, UM, FOR THAT ONE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO THE, UM, THE, THE WINDOW AND DOOR REPLACEMENTS THAT, UH, PUBLIC WORKS IS LOOKING AT.
UM, AND THAT ONE, IT'S PHASED OVER, I THINK IT WAS THREE YEARS.
IT'S ABOUT, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, IT'S ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF.
I, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
SO, UH, MY APOLOGIES IF THAT NUMBER IS WRONG.
I DEFINITELY GET BACK TO YOU ON IT.
SO THERE IS SOME, UH, UH, FINANCES THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD BUDGETED INTO IT.
UH, AND THEN, UM, IT'D BE RISK REMISS, REMISS TO NOT MENTION IT, BUT, UH, THE, IT ALSO IS NOT INCORPORATING POTENTIAL GRANTS THAT WE COULD, UH, TO, UM, CONTINUE TO HUNT DOWN FOR.
SO, UH, I KNOW GRANTS ARE, I MEAN, THEY'RE COM
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VERY COMPETITIVE IN NATURE AND CAN'T BANK ON FULLY GETTING 'EM, BUT, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY, UH, TRYING TO PURSUE.UH, WE SUBMITTED A CLIMATE POLLUTION, UH, REDUCTION GRANT, UH, RECENTLY THAT WOULD, WOULD, WOULD TACKLE A GOOD CHUNK OF, UH, THESE, UH, INITIATIVES.
UH, BUT JUST TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT JUST THE, THE SHEER COMPETITIVENESS OF IT IS THAT THE, THE CLIMATE POLLUTION REDUCTION GRANT HAD A POOL IN THIS ROUND OF 4.3 BILLION, UH, WHICH SOUNDS, UH, RATHER LARGE.
AND THEN THE REQUESTS THAT CAME TO THE EPA FOR THIS ROUND WAS 33.2 BILLION.
UH, SO THE, IT'S, UH, IT'S EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE.
THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF FOLKS TRYING TO DO, UH, THE START DECARBONIZATION WORK WHERE WE, WE ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING TO, UH, APPLY FOR GRANT FUNDING AND THE LIKE TO, TO, TO, TO COVER, UH, A GOOD CHUNK OF THIS.
SO THERE'S A ENERGY EFFICIENCY CONSERVATION BLOCK GRANT COMING UP, UH, ON OCTOBER 31ST IS A DEADLINE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE A SUBMISSION FOR AS WELL.
SO I, I THINK I TAKE TO, TO REPHRASE YOUR ANSWER A LITTLE BIT USING MY WORDS, IT WOULD BE MAYBE SOME OF THE 13 MILLION IS KIND OF EXPECTED IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET SCHEME AND SOME OF IT'S NOT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHAT THAT SPLIT MIGHT BE? SO OUT OF THIS, UH, SO THE DECARBONIZATION PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THERE THAT ARE LISTED, UH, IT WOULD BE THAT SPLIT WOULD PROBABLY COMPARED TO THAT 13, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT, PROBABLY 30 TO 40% IS CURRENTLY BUDGETED.
ALRIGHT, PETE, I, I'D JUST LIKE A LITTLE CLARITY ON TWO THINGS, AND YOU TOUCHED ON IT.
THE, UH, COMPLEX, THE CAMPUS, UH, WHERE WE, WE ARE ALREADY WORKING ON BUDGETING FOR WINDOWS AND DOORS AND YOU TOUCH ON IT, BRYCE.
NOW, HAS THAT ALREADY BEEN, UH, BUDGETED THE ENTIRE PROJECT OR WITH THE PARTIAL? SO GO AHEAD, BRYCE.
YEAH, SO THAT, THAT, UH, PROJECT SHOULD BE THE FULLY BUDGETED, THAT ONE, UH, WAS, UM, DEVELOPED SAY A YEAR OR SO, UH, BACK BEFORE THAT.
AND THEN, UH, INITIALLY THE, I THINK THEIR, THE BUDGET WAS LIKE ONE AND A HALF MILLION SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.
AND THEN WE SPLIT THAT UP ACROSS THREE YEARS TO, TO BREAK IT.
AND THAT IS REFLECTED HERE, OR IT'S NOT REFLECTED HERE.
SO THIS, UH, FOR THIS COMPONENT OF JUST AS A WHOLE, LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AROUND 13 MILLION, BUT, UH, THAT, UH, DECARB, UM, PROJECTS AND THE LIKE, IS NOT REFLECTED IN THIS SLIDE, BUT WE HAVE BUDGETED, UH, AMOUNTS FOR IT THAT ARE, UH, IN VARIOUS PLACES THROUGHOUT THE, THE, UH, CIP BUDGETS.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY ONE THING, YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT STREETLIGHTS.
MM-HMM,
YOU LEARNED SOMETHING NEW EVERY DAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE HAVE ANY STREET LIGHTS.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE ALL A DOTS LIGHTS.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
UM, THIS NEXT SLIDE IS WHAT WE CALL A LEVELIZED COST ANALYSIS.
AGAIN, I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS A ORDER OF MAGNITUDE PRICING.
SO THIS IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONTINUE TO EVOLVE AS WE HAVE ACTUAL PRICING.
AND I, WE'D BE VERY HAPPY IF, IF, UH, COUNSEL DECIDES TO CONTINUE FORWARD WITH IMPLEMENTATION.
THIS WOULD BE REALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD FOR US TO, UH, TO PUT TOGETHER.
UH, AND, AND YOU CAN MAKE THE ACTUAL DECISION AT THE TIME THAT, UH, THE ACTUAL PROJECT IS IN FRONT OF YOU.
BUT WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS, UM, THAT ESSENTIALLY THE, THE DARK LINE, UH, ABOVE THAT LINE IS THE COST PER KWH IF WE TAKE THE USEFUL LIFE OF THE, UM, ITEMS ROLLING UP ALL THE EFFICIENCY TOGETHER.
UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST ALL THE, SO ONSITE SOLAR TAKEN IN AGGREGATE, WHAT THE COST TO PROVIDE THAT WOULD BE ON A PER KWH BASIS.
UM, THE LINE BELOW THAT, THE AVOIDED COST OF SOLAR DISPLACED, UH, A PS ELECTRICITY IS REALLY WHAT YOU WANT TO COMPARE IS THE 9.70 CENTS PER KKWH, UM, RELATIVE TO THE 10.30 CENTS PER KWH.
UM, 10.30 CENTS IS WHAT YOU WOULD BE PAYING AT THE MOMENT IN TIME THAT THE ONSITE SOLAR IS ACTUALLY GENERATING THE ELECTRON IN QUESTION.
SO SAY AT 3:00 PM YOU KNOW, OR 3 45, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, A, YOU WOULD BE PAYING A PS BASED ON DEMAND CHARGES.
'CAUSE THAT COST PER KWH GOES UP AND DOWN ON AVERAGE 10.30 CENTS AT THE TIME THAT SOLAR IS BEING, UM, GENERATED.
THE COST TO GENERATE THE SOLAR TAKEN OVER THE LIFE OF THE, UM, SOLAR WOULD BE 9.7.
SO IT'S SLIGHTLY LESS, LESS EXPENSIVE, UM, TO ACTUALLY PAY FOR SOLAR
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YOURSELF OR GENERATE SOLAR YOURSELF, UH, AND, UH, GENERATE YOUR OWN ELECTRONS OVERALL IN TERMS OF WHAT, UM, THE CITY'S PAYING.CURRENTLY WITH A BLENDED RATE, IT'S 18 CENTS A KWH, UH, AND THEN IF YOU WERE TO BUY ONSITE OFFSITE RENEWABLES, IT'S ABOUT A PENNY PER KWH ADDITIONALLY.
CAN I HAVE A QUESTION? VICE MAYOR, THE ONSITE OR, UH, C EXCUSE ME, THE ONSITE SOLAR, IS THAT JUST CITY HALL AND THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT? YEAH, SO THE THREE LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE, UH, SOLAR, UM, ARE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT HERE AT THE CITY HALL, AND THEN THE BREWER ROAD CONFERENCE.
UH, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL SET UP DIFFERENTLY.
UM, SO THE, THE BREWER ROAD, UH, LOCATION, THAT ONE'S, UH, ROOFTOP SOLAR, IT'S LIKE DIRECTLY TIED INTO THE BUILDING.
THE SOLAR CARPORTS THAT WE HAVE AT CITY HALL, UH, THOSE ONES ARE SET, THOSE ONES WERE INSTALLED BY A PS RIGHT UNDER THEIR TAKE CHARGE PROGRAM.
AND THE WAY THEY HAVE THAT CURRENTLY SET UP IS THAT THE, UH, SOLAR THAT IS GENERATED OFF OF THAT SITE DOESN'T, UH, WE DON'T GET THE DIRECT CREDIT FOR THAT SOLAR.
WE GET A, UM, WHAT WAS IT CALLED? IT'S A, ESSENTIALLY LIKE A, ALMOST LIKE A LEASE PAYMENT, LIKE A CREDIT THAT IS APPLIED, UH, FOR ESSENTIALLY ALLOWING A PS TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE, THE CARPORT SOLAR THERE, BUT WE DON'T GET THE DISTINCT CREDIT FOR THE ENERGY ITSELF.
AND THEN THE WASTEWATER SOLAR SITE IS A, UH, PHYSICAL, UH, POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT.
UH, AND THAT ONE IS, UH, OPERATED BY A THIRD PARTY COMPANY.
AND THEN WE PURCHASE ALL OF THE ENERGY OFF OF THAT SITE AT A FIXED RATE, WHICH I THINK IS SEVEN AND A HALF CENTS, IF I REMEMBER.
SO THE BLENDED RATE THAT YOU HAVE THERE, I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL A PS, RIGHT? YEAH.
ALL OF OUR, UH, SERVICE OR, SO ALL OF OUR MAIN UTILITY PROVIDERS, A PS THE, UM, OFFSITE OR THE, THE PHYSICAL PPP PHYSICAL PPA OUT AT WASTEWATER IS, UH, IT WAS, UM, OH, I FORGOT THE NAME OF THE COMPANY THAT IT JUST SWITCHED HANDS.
UM, UH, BUT IT'S, UH, THAT ONE'S PROVIDED, NOT, NOT BY A PS 'CAUSE IT'S ON OUR, ON OUR OWN PROPERTY, BUT ALL THE OTHER SITES WOULD BE AP PS.
SO THE, SO THE CITY OWNED ONSITE SOLAR WOULD BE TO CONVERT ALL OF THOSE THREE TO CITY OWNED? NO, THE, UM, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA GET TO THE SOLAR SLIDE HERE SHORTLY, BUT THE, THE 9.7 IS ACTUALLY REFLECTING, UM, UH, ADDITIONAL PROPOSED SOLAR, AND THAT'S BASED ON OUR COST ESTIMATES FOR THAT SOLAR.
UH, A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT THIS ONE.
UM, I, UH, I, I THINK, UH, I, I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH OUR METHODOLOGY ON THESE.
THEY, THEY ARE DESCRIBED IN THE, UM, ROADMAP.
UM, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST ACTUALLY IN THE, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, WE MIGHT WANT TO KEEP MOVING AND I'D BE HAPPY TO COME BACK AND TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS.
UM, THERE IS, THERE ARE, THERE ARE, UM, I'LL, I'LL JUST DO A QUICK HIGH LEVEL ON THE RATIONALE AROUND THE, THE NUMBERS.
THIS NUMBER IS ACTUALLY JUST TAKING YOUR CARBON FOOTPRINT AND APPLYING THE FEDERAL, UM, PRICE PER METRIC TON, UH, TO THE AVOIDED, UM, CO2 EMISSIONS, UM, FROM A PERIOD OF 2030 TO 2040.
UH, WE HAVE CLIENTS THAT ARE DOING THAT ALREADY IN THEIR, IN INTERNAL, UM, MATH, MICROSOFT BEING ONE OF THEM.
UM, THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER COMES FROM.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, BOTH FED US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THEN A CANADIAN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ARE APPLYING AN INTERNAL PRICE PER METRIC TON OF OVER 200 BUCKS A TON.
AND THAT STARTS TO SKEW THEIR DECISION MAKING.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE, THE ORIGIN OF THAT NUMBER ORIGIN OF THIS NUMBER IS, UM, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, UH, WE'RE ASSUMING A IMPROVEMENT IN 2% OF EMPLOYEE TURNOVER BASED ON THE CITY BEING A CLIMATE LEADER.
THAT'S A NUMBER THAT WE HAVE USED WITH PAST CLIENTS, AND THEY SAID THEY'RE FINE WITH THAT.
I THINK WE DISCUSSED IT WITH THE TEAM.
UH, JUST, I MEAN, THERE'S, I WOULD NEVER PUT THIS IN A PRO FORMA, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT IN THE PRO FORMA AND, UH, IT'S JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A STANDALONE ANALYSIS.
THE VALUE OF THE MICROGRID AT 320,000, UH, DOLLARS IS BASICALLY IF THE CITY IS INTERESTED IN HAVING ISLAND ABILITY, UM, FROM AN ELECTRICAL STANDPOINT AND HAVING A COMBINATION OF, UM, BATTERIES AND SOLAR GENERATED, UM, BASICALLY AN ISLAND ABLE SYSTEM, THE INHERENT VALUE IN THE SOLAR THAT'S ALREADY THERE, YOU'RE ALREADY ONE STEP OF THE WAY
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TOWARDS HAVING THAT ISLAND ABLE SYSTEM.SO WE, UH, APPLIED A FACTOR OF 10% OF THE COST OF THE SOLAR TO ARRIVING AT THAT 320 UH THOUSAND.
AND THEN THE 57,000 IS BASED ON YOUR TOTAL EMPLOYEES.
AND THAT'S BASED ON SOME WORK THAT WE DID IN THE PREVIOUSLY WITH A, UH, RESOURCE ECONOMIST NAMED AUTO CASE OUT OF CANADA.
AND WE JUST APPLIED THE NUMBERS THAT THEY HAD DERIVED FROM, UH, STUDIES, UM, BASED ON VALUE OF, UH, BETTER VENTILATION, UH, FOR EMPLOYEE PERFORMANCE.
THAT'S, SO THAT'S THE SOURCE OF THOSE FOUR NUMBERS.
UH, BRAD, BEFORE YOU GO ON, WHY DON'T WE TAKE A BREAK? SURE.
I THINK THAT SOME OF THE STAFF WANTS TO, UH, GET UPDATED ON SOME INFORMATION AND THEY WOULD TAKE 10 MINUTES.
JUST, CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? THE NUMBERS ON THAT SLIDE THOUGH, AGAIN, ARE OVER THE LIFE, CORRECT? THAT IS OVER THE LIFE, YEAH.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE IN THE DETAILS.
SORRY, THIS IS TAKING SO LONG.
WHAT'S THAT? AND HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME,
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OKAY.BRAD, WE UP TO SPEED NOW? YES.
UH, I'LL, I'LL SPEED THINGS UP, UH, AS WELL.
UH, SO WE'RE NOW INTO THE, UH, SECTION OF THE ROADMAP, TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE DETAILS OF, UH, SOME OF THE IMPLEMENTATION DETAILS.
SO YOU TALKED A BIT ABOUT EFFICIENCY BEFORE.
UM, THE EFFICIENCY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WE IDENTIFIED AS FAR AS PART OF THE ROADMAP, UH, IS REFLECTED ON THIS CHART.
UM, BASICALLY HVAC AND LIGHTING CONTROLS A THING THAT WE CALL RETROCOMMISSIONING, WHICH IS BASICALLY JUST MAKING SURE THAT A FACILITY WORKS THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK.
UM, AND, UH, IN ALL THE VARIOUS WAYS, ESPECIALLY THE HVAC SYSTEM, WE REGULARLY FIND THINGS ARE, ARE NOT SET THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE.
UM, CERTAINLY, UM, DUCT CEILING AND AN ENVELOPE CEILING, THE ENVELOPE IS A REALLY GREAT THING TO DO.
AND AS WE'VE LOOKED AT THE FACILITIES, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY THERE.
UH, CONTROLS OPTIMIZATION IS REALLY LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE SET POINTS.
UH, WE'D BE DOING THAT VIA THE AUTO AUTONOMY SYSTEM.
WINDOW AND DOOR REPLACEMENT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
AND THAT'S KIND OF A KNOWN NEED, AT LEAST HERE AT, AT CITY HALL.
UM, CERTAINLY HEAT, UH, HEAT PUMP, HOT WATER SYSTEMS IS, THAT'S A BOTH POTENTIALLY AN ELECTRIFICATION THING, BUT IF THEY'RE ALREADY ELECTRIC, UM, PUTTING IN HEAT PUMP VERSION OF THOSE, UH, A VERY CLOSE LOOK AT JUST WHAT WE CALL PLUG LOADS, THINGS THAT PLUG INTO THE WALL, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT, UM, THEY WERE NOT HAVING INEFFICIENT VERSIONS OF WHATEVER THOSE THINGS ARE.
SO THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR OFF, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND THEN A THING THAT WE CALL TEST AND BALANCE, WHICH IS A VERY SPECIFIC THING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OVERALL HVAC SYSTEM IS, UM, FROM THE DUCTING AND AND ROUTING STANDPOINT IS WORKING THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO.
THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME COMFORT ISSUES, PARTICULARLY HERE AT CITY HALL THAT WILL ALSO HELP WITH EFFICIENCY.
UM, TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EFFICIENCY OF THE WASTEWATER PLANT, UH, AND I'LL DESCRIBE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
THERE'S ONE SPECIFIC MEASURE THAT PARAMETRICS IDENTIFIED, AND THAT WAS REPLACING, UM, BASICALLY ON OFF PUMPS, UM, SINGLE SPEED PUMPS WITH VARIABLE SPEED PUMPS, UM, FOR PARTS OF THE OPERATION.
UM, UH, AND IT'S QUITE A, QUITE A HEALTHY AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY THAT COULD BE SAVED THROUGH THAT MEASURE.
UM, THEY IDENTIFIED ABOUT, UM, 200,000 KWH FOR THAT, ABOUT 11% OF THE TREATMENT PLANT.
THERE'S AN INTERESTING THING GOING ON AT THE TREATMENT PLANT RIGHT NOW, UM, WITH THE, UM, SOLAR ARRAY THERE, THERE ARE THREE ELECTRICAL, UM, UH, METERS AT THE TREATMENT PLANT.
UM, MOST OF THE LOAD RUNS THROUGH ONE METER, AND THAT METER IS ALSO THE LOAD THAT THE, UH, THE SOLAR, UM, SYSTEM PLUGS INTO.
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AN INTERESTING THING HAS HAPPENED OVER TIME.THE, UM, UH, THE, THE TREATMENT PLANT HAS OPERATED SO EFFICIENTLY THAT WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE, UM, WITH THE NET METER ON THE EXISTING SOLAR SYSTEM, THE CITY ONLY GETS PAID, UM, UH, WHOLESALE RATES FOR THAT SELL BACK.
IT'S ABOUT 3 CENTS, OR PLUS OR MINUS KW PER KWH.
AND, UH, WE'RE NOW AT A POINT THAT IF WE SAVE MORE ELECTRICITY ON THAT METER, WE'RE GONNA BE SELLING A BUNCH OF THAT POWER BACK AT 3 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR.
SO IT'S A BIT OF A, A BOGGLE THAT NEEDS TO BE KIND OF UNTANGLED.
UM, THERE ARE THE TWO OTHER METERS THERE.
UM, POTENTIALLY WE COULD MOVE SOME OF THE SYSTEMS OVER TO THOSE TWO OTHER METERS, UM, UH, WHERE THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
UM, AND THOSE ARE ACTUALLY ALSO USING A FAIR AMOUNT OF POWER.
WE'RE ALSO ACTUALLY, IRONICALLY, PROPOSING SOME SOLAR ON THOSE TWO METERS BECAUSE THE LOAD IS SUCH THAT IT COULD TAKE THAT AS WELL.
SO OVERALL, WE JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THERE.
UM, BUT IT, IT, WE DIDN'T TAKE IT ANY FURTHER THAN WE DID, UM, AT THIS POINT IN THE ROADMAP.
IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING DURING DESIGN, DURING DESIGN DEVELOPMENT THAT NEEDS MORE CONSIDERATION.
UM, WE HAVE BRENDAN ON THE PHONE, I BELIEVE, AND, UH, HE, I'M GONNA LET HIM SPEAK TO THIS.
HEY, EVERYBODY, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YEAH.
SO AS PART OF THE STUDY, WE LOOKED AT YOUR FLEET OF VEHICLES AND THE FACILITIES THAT THEY OPERATED AT THE CHART HERE IS SHOWING THE BALANCE OF DIFFERENT VEHICLE TYPES BY THOSE LOCATIONS.
AND AS PART OF THIS STUDY, OR AS BRAD MENTIONED EARLIER, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO DO IS HAVE A PHASED APPROACH WHERE YOU LOOK AT THE VEHICLES THAT ARE EASIER
AND THOSE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE ELECTRIFIED FIRST AND WITH THE HARDER TO ELECTRIFY HEAVIER DUTY TRANSIT AND POLICE VEHICLES BEING PART OF A SECOND PHASE.
SO AS PART, PART OF THE STUDY, UH, WHAT WE DID WAS LOOK AT YOUR SITES AND THE FEASIBILITY AND COST ASSOCIATED WITH BUILDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THE CHARGING STATIONS, THE ELECTRICAL, UM, UH, DISTRIBUTION EQUIPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE CHARGING STATIONS, UH, TO SERVE THOSE PHASES, WE FOCUSED ON THREE MAIN SITES, CITY HALL, CAMPUS, PUBLIC WORKS AND WASTEWATER TREATMENT.
UH, THE MAIN REASON WE FOCUSED ON THOSE IS 'CAUSE THOSE ARE THE MAIN SITES, AND ALSO BREWER ROAD IS LEASED, UH, AT THIS POINT, OR THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING.
AND SO WE PUT TOGETHER A SITE BY SITE, UM, A PHASED, UH, UH, UH, DESIGN APPROACH FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON EACH SITE.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE DID, UH, WAS LOOK AT THE BALANCE OF DIFFERENT POWER, UH, THE, THE DIFFERENT, UM, UH, POWER CAPACITY OF THE CHARGING STATION THEMSELF, MEANING WHAT BALANCE OF SLOW AND FASTER CHARGERS DO YOU NEED BASED ON HOW YOUR VEHICLES OPERATE AND THEIR USE CASE AND MADE A RECOMMENDATION, WHICH I THINK BRAD IS GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO, UH, THE ONE LAST POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT, UH, THE MAIN REASON THAT WE WERE RECOMMENDING A PHASED APPROACH IS THAT YOU WILL LEARN A LOT WHEN YOU DO YOUR FIRST SCALE DEPLOYMENT OF VEHICLES.
IT'S VERY HARD TO PULL THE BANDAID OFF QUICKLY AND GO AFTER ELECTRIFICATION OF PATROL VEHICLES, OF PURSUIT VEHICLES, UH, USE CASES WHERE, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE VERY STRINGENT.
THE MARGIN ERROR FOR, UH, MARGIN FOR ERROR IS LOW.
AND THERE ARE ALSO GENERALLY UNIQUE REQUIREMENTS AROUND PHYSICAL AND, UM, AND DIGITAL SECURITY, UH, IN THE POLICE USE CASES.
SO TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S WHY, UH, WHY WE SEPARATED INTO PHASES, BUT ALSO LOOKED ON EACH ONE OF THE SITES, WHAT IS THE FEASIBILITY AND COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
IF, IF THE NEXT SLIDE IS RELATED, DO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND, AND HONESTLY, THE, THE NEXT SLIDE IS, IS FAIRLY HIGH LEVEL.
IT'S JUST KIND OF WRAPPING IT ALL TOGETHER.
IT DOESN'T GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT, UM, DETAILS OF THE CHARGING STATIONS, UH, WHICH IS IN THE, UM, IN THE ACTUAL RED MAP.
SO THEN THE QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK IS, UH, UM, SO I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT PD VEHICLES FUTURE PHASE, WE JUST KIND OF CUT THOSE OUT BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE ALREADY AND STUFF.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WANTED TO ASK IS THIS PLAN, HOW DOES THIS COUPLE, WITH THIS 2030 GOAL OF ZERO, A HUNDRED PERCENT ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES,
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AND I KNOW THAT OUR CITY EXPERIENCE IS LIKE THE SHUT, WELL, WE JUST BOUGHT SHUTTLE BUSES.I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE, THE ONES WE BOUGHT ARE NOT GONNA BE AGED OUT BY 2030.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY LAST
THEY'RE ACTUALLY ON A SCHEDULE OF FIVE YEARS, AS I RECALL.
I DON'T KNOW IF BRYCE IS AWARE OF THAT AS WELL, BUT THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION.
AND THEN THINGS LIKE, UH, YOUR PUBLIC WORKS NEW, THE BIG INTO, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES WITH THE SNOWPLOWS OR WHATEVER, WHETHER THEY'RE EVER LIKELY TO, ARE THERE VEHICLES IN OUR PLAN MM-HMM.
THAT WE THINK ARE NOT GONNA BE IN THE 2030 GOAL? GREAT QUESTION.
UH, SO THERE ARE A, A HANDFUL OF VEHICLES THAT ARE THOSE MORE PROBLEMATIC ONES, LIKE THE SNOWPLOWS AND THE, LIKE, THAT DON'T HAVE, UH, AN APPLICABLE OR AN EASILY ACCESSIBLE OR, UM, COST EFFECTIVE OPTION FOR THEM.
SO THERE IS A, A SMALL PERCENTAGE THAT WOULD KIND OF EXTEND BEYOND THAT, THAT 2030 GOAL.
UH, THAT'S, UH, WHERE AS REFERENCED IN THE, THE, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND THE LIKE, IS THE, THE COMPONENT OF LIKE CARBON OFFSETS OR DIRECT AIR CAPTURE KIND OF FILLS THAT GAP UNTIL YOU'RE, WE GET TO A SPOT WHERE THOSE ARE ABLE TO TRANSITION.
BUT THERE'S A SMALL HANDFUL THAT, UH, WOULD GO BEYOND THAT.
SO THEN THAT, MY OTHER QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK RELATIVE TO THIS SLIDE IS JUST TO MY UNDERSTANDING OF BLUNTLY WHAT YOU BROUGHT, WHAT, WHAT YOU BROUGHT TO THE PARTY HERE.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT OUR CITY STAFF HAS BEEN THINKING EXACTLY THIS KIND OF STUFF ALREADY.
WHEN DO WE REPLACE VEHICLES? WHEN DO WE DO ELECTRIFICATION? WHEN DO WE NOT? WAS THERE ADDITIONAL LEVEL THAT, YOU KNOW, OF EXPERTISE OR SOMETHING THAT WE LEARNED WITH THIS GROUP RELATIVE, PARTICULARLY WITH THE VEHICLES? I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT.
UH, I'D SAY FROM, UM, MY PERSPECTIVE, UH, THERE'S BEEN A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT WE LEARNED FROM.
IT IS JUST, UH, ONE, THE KIND OF THE SHEER SCALE, UH, THAT'S NEEDED FOR CHARGING.
UH, THIS THE NOTION OF JUST LIKE, OH, YOU GET AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE AND YOU'RE GOOD TO GO AND EVERYTHING'S FINE.
IT'S LIKE HAVING THE CHARGING ON SITE, THE, THE ELECTRICAL UPGRADES THAT ARE NEEDED FOR IT.
UH, THE UNDERSTANDING OF LIKE TRANSFORMER LEAD TIMES, UM, WHAT APPLICABLE MODELS CAN BE APPLIED TO IT AT SPECIFIC TIMES.
GETTING THAT KIND OF, UH, THAT FEEDBACK AND UNDERSTANDING WITH, WITH MCKINSTRY ON IT.
UH, THEY HAVE A MUCH MORE EXPERIENCE, UH, WITH ELECTRIFICATION, UH, IN THEIR FLEETS, UH, AND THEIR EFFORTS THAN WE DO.
UH, AND SO THAT COMPONENT OF JUST BEING ABLE TO, TO REALLY HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW, HOW THIS LOOKS, WHAT THE SCALE, WHAT THE, WHAT THE COMPONENTS AND THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT ON, UH, WHAT COULD BE HURDLES FOR US TO OVERCOME, UH, HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN, IN HELPING INFORM, UH, OUR CONVERSATIONS THROUGH IT.
SO, UH, I THINK MCKINTRY HAS HELPED US GREATLY IN THAT REGARD.
I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.
KATHY, IN THE PUBLIC WORKS, UM, VEHICLES, AREN'T THERE SOME OF THEM THAT WOULDN'T EVEN BE AVAILABLE? OR DO WE EXPECT THAT BY 2030 THEY WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE YOUR, YOU KNOW, LOADERS, BACKHOES? I MEAN, ARE THOSE EVEN AVAILABLE? RIGHT, RIGHT.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, UH, COUNSELOR FURMAN ALMOST SAID, COUNSELOR PETE, I GUESS EITHER WAY,
IT'S JUST NOT WITHIN THAT 2030 TARGET.
HOW TARGET DO THEY IF, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT WITHIN THAT DATE, SHOULDN'T THEY BE OUT OF THIS MIX? THEY SHOULDN'T BE FACTORED INTO THIS MIX.
SO THAT, I MEAN, SO THAT, I JUST DON'T WANT US TO HAVE NUMBERS THAT ARE PROJECTING BASED ON 10 VEHICLES, BUT FIVE OF THEM ARE NOT IN THE MIX BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REPLACEABLE AT THIS POINT.
SO WE REALLY NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THE, THE CARBON, THE SAVINGS ON THE FIVE VEHICLES, NOT THE 10 VEHICLES.
AND, AND BRYCE WAS KIND OF, KIND OF SAYING THAT, THAT SOME OF THOSE VEHICLES THAT ARE NOT GONNA BE OPTIONS FOR MEETING OUR TARGET DATE WILL BE OFFSET BY THESE ALTERNATE, UM, OPTIONS FOR CARBON OFFSET.
UH, AND JUST TO CLARIFY ONE THING, WE, YOU KNOW, MCKINSEY'S SCOPE WAS PREDOMINANTLY ON THE EV TO LOOK AT THE EV CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, SO WE WERE WORKING CLOSELY WITH BRYCE AND TEAM ON THE FLEET ASPECT.
AND SO I WOULD SAY OUR ROLE ON THE FLEET ASPECT, I MEAN, BRENDAN IS QUITE A RESOURCE.
HE USED TO RUN THE FLEET PROGRAM AT RIVIAN.
UH, AND CERTAINLY I THINK WE PROVIDED A SECOND SET OF EYES, UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT THE CITY WAS TALKING ABOUT
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FOR THE EV ITSELF.UM, BUT OUR MAIN FOCUS WAS ON THE ELECTRIFICATION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKING HOLISTICALLY AT, AT THE ELECTRICAL CAPACITY, UH, OF THE BUILDINGS IN PARTICULAR, LOOKING AT ROUTING A CONDUIT, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
UM, AND WHAT THAT ROLLS UP TO BEING, AND AGAIN, I I SHOULD BE CLEAR, THIS DOES NOT, THESE, UM, THESE CHARGING SYSTEMS FOR THE REASONS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE, UM, MORE THE PASSENGER VEHICLES AND THE KIND OF MID-RANGE VEHICLES, NOT NECESSARILY AT THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT VEHICLES.
THAT WOULD BE POST 2030, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ELECTRIFYING 41, UM, HEATING SYSTEMS ACROSS 44 FACILITIES AS WELL AS, UH, 64, UH, CHARGING LOCATIONS.
THOSE WOULD BE LE WHAT ARE CALLED LEVEL TWO CHARGERS.
UM, THOSE WOULD MOSTLY BE A LITTLE BIT HEAVIER DUTY LEVEL TWO CHARGERS THAN TYPICAL HOME SYSTEMS. ALTHOUGH WE HAVE A FA FEW OF THOSE IN THE MIX TWO AS WELL AS FIVE, UH, WHAT WE CALL LEVEL THREE, UM, CHARGERS, WHICH ARE THE, THE FAST GUYS.
AND WAIT, WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT THAT, WERE YOU, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TO PARTNER SO THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD TO PUT OUT THE EXPENSE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO WE PARTNERED WITH ELECTRIFY AMERICA AND WE PARTNERED WITH A PS IN YOUR ANALYSIS, ARE YOU CONTINUING THAT STRATEGY OR ARE YOU CHANGING THE STRATEGY SO THAT WE WOULD BE DEVELOPING THIS ABOUT OURSELVES AND THE INVESTMENT WOULD COME FROM US OR A GRANT, BUT WE WOULD BE ELIMINATING THOSE PARTNERSHIPS OR REDUCING THEM? YEAH, WE, WE TOOK THE APPROACH THAT THESE WOULD BE CITY OPERATED AND DEVELOPED, UH, SYSTEMS. OKAY.
BRENDA, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? JUST, NO, LET, LET ME, UH, YEAH.
UM, BUT, UH, I WANNA CLARIFY THAT THE ELECTRIFY AMERICAN, THOSE KIND OF PARTNER MODELS ARE GENERALLY FOR PUBLIC CHARGING FASTER, PUBLIC CHARGING IN GENERAL, UM, AS OPPOSED TO DEDICATED INFRASTRUCTURE USED FOR FLEET POLICE, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO BRYCE, RIGHT NOW, THE VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE ELECTRIC, HOW ARE THEY BEING CHARGED? ARE THEY BEING CHARGED OUTSIDE HERE? YES.
UH, SO THE VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE WOULD BE ABLE TO UTILIZE ANY OF THE, THE CHARGES THAT WE HAVE.
IT'S, UH, AS BRANDON KIND OF MENTIONED, IT'S JUST A STIPULATION, IS THAT THE, THE CHARGES THEMSELVES HAVE TO BE ALSO OPEN FOR PUBLIC, UH, USE.
WITH REGARD TO ONSITE RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY, WE DID AN EVALUATION OF, UH, POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, FOR ONSITE SOLAR.
UM, THIS IS ALWAYS KIND OF A CHALLENGING EXERCISE 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT BOTH THE PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE ON THE SITE, WHAT MAKES SENSE, UM, CARPORTS, UM, VERSUS GROUND MOUNT VERSUS ROOF FOR ROOF.
YOU NEED TO LOOK AT WHERE, UM, THE ROOF IS AT IN ITS, UM, IN ITS AGE PRO AGING PROCESS.
UM, THINK ABOUT THAT FROM A PHASING STANDPOINT.
UH, AND THEN YOU THEN NEED TO LOOK AT IT FROM A LOAD STANDPOINT.
YOU, YOU DEFINITELY WANT TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THE SWEET SPOT OF THE VALUE OF THE GENERATION OF THE, UM, OF THE ARRAY SO THAT YOU'RE CAPTURING, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WANT TO AVOID AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE SELLING ELECTRONS BACK ON A NET METERED SYSTEM THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THREE OR 4 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR.
YOU WANT TO MAXIMIZE THAT VALUE.
SO WE, WE TEND TO TALK ABOUT THINGS IN TERMS OF PHYSICAL MAXIMUM FIT AND FINANCIAL MAXIMUM FIT.
UH, AND THESE ARE BASICALLY, WE, WE APPLIED BOTH THOSE CONSIDERATIONS TO, UM, UH, WHAT, UH, WHERE WE'RE RECOMMENDING SOLAR.
SO SOLAR SIZES, I WON'T GO INTO THE DETAILS, I THINK, I THINK THIS SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
UM, SOME OF THEM ARE FAIRLY LARGE CITY HALL, YOU KNOW, A DISPERSED SYSTEM OF SHADE CANOPIES, UH, WOULD GENERATE, YOU KNOW, 350,000 KILOWATT HOURS A YEAR.
THAT'S, THAT'S A HEALTHY AMOUNT.
UH, THAT'S SUPPLEMENTING WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
I WILL SAY THESE, THE, MY UNDER OR UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT THE ARRAY, UH, THE BIG AP S ARRAY IS ACTUALLY A KIND OF A SEPARATE, UM, SYSTEM THAT, THAT ISN'T DEDICATED TO THE CITY HALL, WHICH IS PART OF WHAT ENABLES US DOING ADDITIONAL SOLAR THAT STILL FITS THAT, UM, FINANCIAL MAXIMUM FIT PARADIGM.
UM, CONTRACTORS ROAD, UH, ALSO HAS A PRETTY HEALTHY LOAD AND THERE'S SOME GOOD OPPORTUNITY THERE.
UH, SOME OF THE OTHER FACILITIES A LITTLE BIT SMALLER ARRAYS, UH, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, WE DO HAVE, UM, A FAIRLY LARGE ARRAY
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PROPOSED IN CONJUNCTION, UM, WITH THOSE TWO OTHER METERS I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE NOT CONNECTED TO THE CURRENT ARRAY.HOWEVER, THAT'S GONNA NEED TO BE LOOKED AT FURTHER IN DESIGN DEVELOPMENT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE THING I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH KIND OF MOVING ALL, ALL THOSE, UM, KIND OF UNTANGLING THAT WEB OF, OF SYSTEMS THERE.
UM, WE BASICALLY IDENTIFIED THE ISSUE, UM, THROUGH THE ROADMAP, BUT DIDN'T TRY TO RESOLVE IT.
MAYOR, IF I MAY, PETE, I'M SORRY.
JUST THINKING ABOUT ELECTRIFICATION.
I HEARD A VERY INTERESTING PODCAST JUST THE OTHER DAY.
IT TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE PROJECTING BASED ON THE TRAJECTORY OF HOW THE INDUSTRY HAS BEEN CHANGING, BUT KIND OF RIGHT NOW WE'VE HIT A LITTLE STALL POINT BECAUSE OF THE BATTERIES AND, AND GRID INTER CAPACITY AND INTERCONNECTION.
AND SO THE NEXT FEW YEARS MAY BE ROUGHER
WHAT, HOW'S THAT PLAY IN YOUR THINKING HERE AS YOU'VE LOOKED AT THESE VARIOUS PLACES? IT'S, IT'S A FAIR POINT.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, UH, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A CRYSTAL BALL THING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, WHAT I SEE WITH THE CRYSTAL BALL THOUGH, IS THINGS TEND TO TREND UP AND THINGS TEND TO TREND DOWN.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WHERE THERE ARE A LOT OF GRID CONSTRAINTS.
I JUST CAME FROM CITY OF GOLDEN WHERE WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON SOME PLANNING UP IN COLORADO AND THEY HAVE ONE AREA THAT'S JUST REALLY CONSTRAINED FROM A GRID STANDPOINT.
AND WE THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, WE THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, PUT IN, UH, THE ARRAY THAT IS ANTICIPATED THERE, BUT THAT'S A QUESTION AND THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED DURING DEVELOPMENT.
UM, FLIP SIDE IS COSTS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INTERESTING WITH COSTS ON SOLAR IS THE EQUIPMENT COSTS ARE THE MINORITY PART OF THE COST AT THIS POINT.
SO, UM, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A LOT MORE JUICE TO SQUEEZE OUTTA THAT, UM, AT THIS POINT.
THANK YOU CA DONE DUNN, THIS ACTUALLY IS PROBABLY MORE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER AND DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
SO, UM, I'VE BEEN HEARING THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN A LOT IN THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD SO FAR, AND IT'S AN ENTERPRISE FUND AND WE JUST HAD A CONVERSATION AROUND HOW WE DON'T, WE, WE AT SOME POINT NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT NOT KEEP KEEPING PULLING MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND GIVING IT OVER TO WASTEWATER TREATMENT.
SO ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE THESE THINGS THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING PUTTING INTO THE RATE STUDY THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING OR ALREADY DOING.
UH, MAYOR JALO AND COUNSELOR DUNN.
UM, THE RATE STUDY IS NOT STARTED.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT AS ONE OF THE FIRST TO-DOS FOR OUR NEW FINANCE DIRECTOR THAT STARTS ON THE 23RD.
UM, AND IN THE SAME VEIN, WE HAVE JUST RECENTLY STARTED THE FACILITY STUDY AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
YOU JUST RECENTLY APPROVED THE CONTRACT WITH COROLLA TO DO THAT.
AND SO THEY WILL BE LOOKING, TAKING A DEEP DIVE INTO THE FACILITY AND WHAT'S NEEDED, UM, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE NEW, UM, PFAS REGULATIONS THAT ARE COMING AND TREATMENT AS WELL AS LOOKING AT THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM, ET CETERA.
SO WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE COROLLA THIS INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL FOR THEIR FULL FACILITY PLAN ON, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE VFDS.
UM, SO I'LL TURN OVER HERE NOW, LIKE TO BRYCE.
SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON AT POSSE, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE THE NEW PICKLEBALL COURTS GOING IN.
I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME SHADE STRUCTURES THERE.
THERE'S A NEW SHADE STRUCTURE OVER BY THE NEW BOAT.
SHE BALL COURTS, IF I SAID THAT RIGHT.
UM, WE HAVE SHADE STRUCTURES ALREADY IN EXISTENCE THERE.
THEY'RE OVERALL OF THE WORKOUT EQUIPMENT, THERE'RE, UM, OUR SHADE STRUCTURES THAT WE JUST PUT IN OVER AT THE DOG PARK.
SO WE, WE KIND OF HAVE ALL THESE SHADE STRUCTURES EITHER I'M ASSUMING THAT WILL COME IN OR THAT HAVE ALREADY COME IN.
PLUS LET'S JUST TAKE RANGER STATION PARK AS IT GOES UP.
I'M SURE THERE'LL BE A SHADE STRUCTURE OVER THERE.
CAN ANY OF THOSE SHADE STRUCTURES BE RETROFIT, UM, AS TIME GOES BY SO THAT WE CAN PUT SOLAR ON THOSE AS WELL? SO THEY'RE ALREADY EXISTING OR THEY'RE IN THE PLANNING STAGES, BUT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED PROBABLY WELL BEFORE YOU'RE READY TO IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN, IF THAT MAKES SENSE? UH, GREAT QUESTION.
SO I WOULD, A CAUTION IS IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE DEPENDENT ON JUST THE, THE SIZE SCALE AND, AND, UH, ABILITY TO CONNECT TO LIKE UTILITY PANELS AND THE LIKE.
SO SAY IT'S ON BY THE BOCCE BALL COURTS
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AND YOU'RE TRYING TO POWER FACILITY NEARBY, IT'S JUST THE SHEER DISTANCE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET TRENCHING AND WHATNOT TO SAY THE HUB OR IF YOU'RE TRYING TO POWER IT.SO PART OF IT IS THE, THE, THE SCALE OF WHAT THAT SHADE STRUCTURE MIGHT LOOK LIKE, WHETHER OR NOT IT COULD HANDLE IT OR, UM, WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD EVEN GIVE ENOUGH OF ENERGY TO MAKE IT VIABLE OR WORTH IT TO, TO PURSUE THAT OPTION.
UH, BUT I WOULDN'T RULE IT OUT THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK INTO.
BUT I, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'D BE, ESPECIALLY TO SAY IF IT'S LIKE A OVER A PLAYGROUND OR, OR LIKE THERE, THERE'S GOING TO BE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS THAT GO INTO, UH, HOW THOSE, THOSE SAFETY STRUCTURES, UH, WILL KIND OF BE ORIENTED VERSUS SAY A STANDARD CARPORT SOLAR STRUCTURE.
BUT, UH, THIS INITIAL ONE WAS LIKE, HOW DO WE GET CARPORT SOLAR THERE? THE, LIKE, THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE SOME OF THAT ADDITIONAL BENEFIT, BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.
I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS THINKING IS YOU'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING IN THOSE LIGHTS, THE LOW STADIUM LIGHTS, LIKE OVER THE PICKLEBALL COURTS.
WE HAVE THE LOW STADIUM LIGHTS OVER IN THE, I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER BALL FIELDS, I GUESS WE'RE, WE'RE CALLING THEM, RIGHT? I THINK THERE'S SOME LIGHTS OVER BY THE BASKETBALL COURT AS WELL.
THE QUESTION FOR ME WAS WHETHER OR NOT THERE COULD BE ENOUGH SOLAR ENERGY THAT ACTUALLY POWERS THOSE LIGHTS.
'CAUSE THOSE WILL BE ELECTRIC LIGHTS, I'M ASSUMING.
SO, UM, AS BRYCE WAS MENTIONING, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WILL LOOK AT IT ON A SITE BY SITE BASIS, UM, SPECIFICALLY AT THE SKATE PARK.
I BELIEVE WE ARE PUTTING IN SOLAR LIGHTING FOR THAT FACILITY.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT BRYCE? YEAH.
JOSH IS, YEAH, IS, IS LOOKING AT THE, THOSE TWO OPTIONS, SO RIGHT.
UM, BASED OFF WHERE SOLAR IS WITH THAT ONE, UH, I, AS I'VE UH, CHATTED WITH JOSH ON IT, IT'S LIKE IT HAS SUCH A EASY PROXIMITY FROM THE SKATE PARK TO ALREADY ELECTRICAL CAPACITY AT THE HUB, SO THAT IF YOU DIDN'T DO A SOLAR LIGHTS THERE AND YOU TIED IT IN TO THE FACILITY ITSELF, BUT THEN HAD A, SAY A SOLAR CARPORT THAT WAS RIGHT NEXT TO IT OR WHATNOT, THEN YOU'RE STILL ABLE TO FACILITATE RENEWABLE ENERGY TO GET THOSE LIGHTS AS WELL.
SO AS, UH, AS ANDY MENTIONED, JUST LIKE SITE BY SITE DISTANCE TO POWER, WHAT'S APPLICABILITY FOR IT.
BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT JUST THANK YOU.
JUST AS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, A LOT OF TIMES WITH OUR WALKING PATHS WE'RE PUTTING IN LIGHTING FOR THOSE FACILITIES, AND THAT'S SORT OF LOCALIZED SOLAR, RIGHT? SO EACH, EACH ACTUAL PEDESTAL IS, IS ON SOLAR.
SO IT, IT TAKES AWAY THE NEED FOR THAT ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE BUILD.
I AM JUST SPEAKING A BIT TO PURCHASED RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY.
SO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THIS LARGE, UH, TAB HERE.
UM, AND, UM, WE WERE SPEAKING EARLIER ABOUT RENEWABLE ENERGY, UM, UH, CREDITS.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, I I WOULD SAY THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THE CITY HAS BEEN TAKING, UM, KIND OF A, IT SEEMS LIKE A PHASED APPROACH, UM, WITH, UH, THE LEVEL OF RENEWABILITY, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, THE SOLAR THAT, THAT YOU'RE PURCHASING OR THE, THE ELECTRICITY THAT YOU'RE PURCHASING.
UM, SO CURRENTLY THE CITY IS PURCHASING KIND OF THE, IF A PS BASICALLY HAS KIND OF A GOOD BETTER, BEST OPTION FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY.
UH, AND I'D SAY RIGHT NOW YOU'RE IN THE, THE GOOD CATEGORY, AND THAT'S REALLY A CATEGORY THAT'S BUYING RENEWABLE ENERGY CREDITS.
AND THESE ARE WHAT ARE CALLED OPEN MARKET, UM, UH, WRECKS.
UM, THE OTHER TWO PROGRAMS THAT A PS HAS, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PURCHASING, UPGRADING TO THOSE LEVELS IS ESSENTIALLY YOU ARE ACTUALLY BUYING RENEWABLE ENERGY THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY, THAT'S IDENTIFIABLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING ACTUAL RENEWABLE ENERGY THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY.
UM, UH, AND WITH GREEN COMMIT IN PARTICULAR, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT MIGHT EVEN BE A SYSTEM, A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY, UM, KIND OF WORKING WITH A PS TO ACTUALLY IDENTIFY AN OFFSITE ARRAY THAT WOULD MAYBE BE LIKE A SEDONA ARRAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, IN TERMS OF KIND OF THE, THE LEVEL OF, UM, DECARBONIZATION, DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF DECARBONIZATION THAT THE CITY WANTS TO TAKE, TAKING THAT EXTRA STEP TO THE HIGHER LEVEL OF, OF A PS PURCHASING, UM, OR A PS UH, RENEWABLE ENERGY WOULD BE A LOGICAL STEP, UH, AND WOULD MAKE SENSE.
UM, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, RECS ARE AN INTERESTING, UH, WRECKS ARE AN INTERESTING, UH, SHOULD I STOP? IF YOU DON'T MIND? YEAH.
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RES ARE AN INTERESTING TOPIC, I THINK WITHIN DECARBONIZATION BROADLY.UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE WORKED IN DECARBONIZATION FOR, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL DECADES NOW, AND I THINK IT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT OF A HOT BUTTON TOPIC.
UH, I THINK THE QUESTION IS IS DOES IT ACTUALLY EFFECTUATE CHANGE? AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IS A QUESTION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK ABOUT ANY, ANY DECARBONIZATION ACTION.
AND I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS A LITTLE BIT GRAY.
UM, WHEREAS SOME OF THESE OTHER APPROACHES WHICH ARE ASSOCIATED WITH TANGIBLE RENEWABLES THAT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN POINT TO AND SAY, YEAH, THAT IS, IS WHAT'S HAPPENING, UM, IS KIND OF THE GOLD STANDARD.
I WILL SAY MOST OF THE CLIENTS THAT, THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH, UH, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEM WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE RENEWABLES ARE THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR OPERATIONS.
UM, I KNOW THAT FOR EXAMPLE, MICROSOFT, GOOGLE, UH, A COUPLE CLIENTS THAT WE WORK WITH, THEY, THEY WILL USE REX FOR VERY SELECT OPPORTUNITIES.
A LITTLE BIT LIKE THEY MIGHT BUY REX FOR SOMETHING LIKE OFFSETTING A REALLY LIMITED USE CASE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER WAY OF, OF DEALING WITH.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THE BACKBONE OF THEIR APPROACH IS, IS, UM, UH, FOCUSING ON, ON SPECIFIC RENEWABLES.
UM, BUT IT'S A POLICY CALL FOR THE, FOR THE COUNCIL FOR SURE.
CAN YOU PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE COLOR ON WHAT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN GREEN LOCATE AND GREEN COMMIT? BECAUSE BOTH OF THEM SEEM TO SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE SOME KIND OF ROLE IN CHOOSING WHERE, SO CAN YOU PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL BETWEEN THOSE TWO? YEAH, WE DID TALK TO A PS, AND I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE HAD A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM.
THERE'S, IT DOESN'T, THEY SEEM LIKE VERY SIMILAR PROGRAMS. UM, THAT WAS OUR EXPERIENCE.
I DON'T KNOW, BRYCE, IF YOU HAVE ANY, IF YOU'VE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THOSE DIFFERENCES? UH, VERY SIMILAR TO, TO WHAT BRAD MENTIONED, UM, IF, UH, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE, THE, I MEAN, WE DEFINITELY CAN GET BACK TO MORE, UH, WITH THE SPECIFICS, BUT THE, THE, THE GREEN LOCATE WAS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF LIKE A PS IDENTIFIED KIND OF AREAS THAT THEY ALREADY KIND OF LIKE, AND THEN THE CITY OF SEDONA COULD SAY LIKE, WE WANNA PARTICIPATE IN THAT ONE.
AND IT HAS A, THERE'S A DIFFERENT FINANCIAL STRUCTURE WITH THEM VERSUS, I BELIEVE THE GREEN COMMIT WAS LIKE, WE WANNA BUILD A COMPLETELY NEW SITE THAT IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT A PS KIND OF ENVISIONS OR WHATNOT THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THAT INITIAL SCOPE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT HAS, UH, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UH, FINANCIAL PARAMETERS WITH THAT ONE.
BUT I, I DO KNOW WHERE I HAVE THE FILES FOR.
I CAN GET YOU, I'LL SEND OVER, UM, WHAT THE, THOSE DIFFERENCES ARE.
AND WHAT ARE THE PRACTICAL CONSIDERATIONS OR LIMITATIONS TO HOW FAR FROM CITY LIMITS CAN A NEW SOLAR ARRAY, SOLAR FIELD, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, HOW FAR AWAY CAN IT BE? MM-HMM.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE LIVING FUTURE INSTITUTE, WHICH IS THE, THAT'S THE INSTITUTE THAT DOES A LOT OF THE ZERO CARBON CERTIFICATION.
THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE I CAME FROM BEFORE JOINING MCKINSTRY.
I, I RAN THEIR CARBON AND, AND, UH, ELECT, UH, ENERGY PROGRAMS. UM, THE WAY THEY WOULD APPROACH IT IS THEY WOULD WANNA SEE A PROJECT TO DECLARE SOMETHING AS ZERO CARBON IN THE SAME REGIONAL GRID, WHICH WAS FRANKLY A LITTLE BIT ARBITRARY, BUT IT TRIED TO GET AT LIKE, TRYING TO AVOID A LOT OF LINE LOSS, YOU KNOW, AND HAVING, BEING ASSOCIATED WITH A PROJECT, YOU KNOW, HALF THE COUNTRY AWAY, UM, WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED OUR REGIONAL GRID.
CAN YOU ROUGHLY APPROXIMATE THAT? UH, FOR APS AS TERRITORY, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE UPPER TWO OR TWO, TWO THIRDS UPPER TWO THIRDS OF THE STATE.
UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT INTO NEW MEXICO AND A LITTLE BIT IN, UH, LIKE UTAH, COLORADO.
LIKE THERE, THERE'S LIKE LITTLE PATCHES OF IT, BUT OKAY.
PRETTY MUCH THE UPPER TWO THIRDS OF THE STATE IS A PS.
WHAT'S REALLY HARD ABOUT THE QUESTION IS, IS IS EVERY TRADING GRID, THEY'RE REALLY DIFFERENT.
SOME OF THEM ARE VERY SMALL, SOME OF THEM ARE QUITE LARGE.
UH, AND IT'S BASICALLY KIND OF THE TRADING ZONE WHERE PEOPLE WILL, THE UTILITIES WILL TRADE ENERGY, UM, BETWEEN THEMSELVES, BUT, AND THEN THE TRADING BETWEEN THE REGIONAL GRIDS HAPPENS GRID TO GRID, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND THEN JUST A QUICK REMINDER, AND BRYCE, IT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION TO YOU.
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THE CREDITS NOW, CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHERE THE, WHAT BEHIND WHAT WE'RE GETTING NOW? UH, YEAH.SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THE, WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE CURRENT GREEN, UH, POWERS, UH, PARTNER AGREEMENT IS IT'S ESSENTIALLY SOURCING WRECKS THAT ARE FROM RENEWABLE LOCATIONS THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT AND ALREADY ON APSS TERRITORY.
UH, SO, UM, I BELIEVE THE WRECKS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH A WIND FARM OUTSIDE IN, UH, NEW MEXICO.
SO IN THE ASPECT OF LIKE, LEVEL OF RECS, UH, COMPONENTS, UH, AS, UH, BRAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A KIND OF LIKE VARIABILITY WITHIN IT.
UH, THAT WRECK IS ESSENTIALLY, UH, LOOPED IN AS A BUNDLED WRECK.
UM, THE, IF WE WERE TO SAY YOU BUY A WRECK THAT IS IN TEXAS THAT IS OUTSIDE OF OUR MARKET, THAT WOULD BE AN UNBUNDLED WRECK THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT DIRECT ONE FOR ONE, WE USED ENERGY OFF OF A PS AND WE HAVE THAT DIRECT REC CREDIT FOR IT.
SO THE ASPECT THAT, UM, THAT BRAD HAS HERE, UH, THAT MCKINSTRY IS SUGGESTING FOR ONE OF THE, UH, CHANGES IN THE COAL IS THAT THOSE WRECKS ARE FROM SITES THAT ALREADY EXIST THAT DO NOT PUSH A PS FURTHER, UH, TO DO ADDITIONAL RENEWABLES OR PUSH MM-HMM.
IT'S JUST FROM SITES THAT ALREADY EXIST THAT HAVE WRECKS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO BE ATTACHED TO WHAT WE UTILIZE AS ENERGY.
SO, SO CAN A PS OVERSELL WRECKS ON THAT WIND FARM? SO, UH, THERE IS A, WHEN THEY SELL A WRECK, THE, THE WRECKS HAVE TO BE RETIRED ON, ON, UH, THE BEHALF OF WHOEVER HAD THE PURCHASE FOR IT SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT DOUBLE COUNT, UM, POTENTIAL IS THERE FOR A PS TO, TO SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER THAT THEY HAVE X AMOUNT OF X FOR IT.
BUT THERE'S A ACCOUNTING MECHANISM ON THERE, AND THAT WOULD BE IF WE PURCHASE X AMOUNT OF X THAT'RE RETIRED ON OUR BEHALF, AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE RECLAIMED BY ANOTHER ENTITY.
BUT IF THE, THE CURRENT WRECKS WE'RE GETTING ARE FROM AN A PS WIND FARM, WHY WOULDN'T THEY BE CONSIDERED PART OF GREEN LOCATE, FOR INSTANCE? BECAUSE IT'S PART OF OUR GRID ALREADY.
SO IN THEORY WE ARGUE IS IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT NEW KWS BEING CREATED? PRECISELY.
IT'S, UH, FROM SITES THAT APS HAS ALREADY BEEN LIKE, WE LIKE THIS ONE.
WE BUILT IT, UH, IT WANTS TO GO THERE.
AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO BE LIKE, OKAY, WE WANT ONE THAT'S LIKE SPECIFICALLY US FOR SEDONA THAT IS OUTSIDE OF A S'S VISION OR THEIR, UH, THEIR, THEIR PLANNING MAP, THEN THEY'D SAY, YOU CAN GO THE GREEN LOCATE OR THE GREEN COMMIT OPTIONS.
SO DOES GREEN LOCATE COST MORE OR LESS THAN WHAT WE ALREADY ARE GETTING FROM THE WIND FARM? FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, BOTH GREEN LOCATE AND GREEN COMMIT WOULD HAVE A GREATER FINANCIAL, UM, GREATER FINANCIAL, UH, INVESTMENT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THEM.
I, I MEAN, THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT'S TOTAL VIRTUE SIGNALING IF WE CAN ACTUALLY GET ENERGY FROM A PS THAT IS IN FACT RENEWABLE ALREADY, LIKE WHAT WE'RE GETTING.
LIKE I JUST, I DON'T, WHAT DOES GREEN LOCATE DO FOR US? IF, IF WE THINK WE NEED MORE RENEWABLE ENERGY, CAN WE GET MORE FROM THIS WIND FARM OR FROM OTHER EXISTING A PS SITES SO THAT WE'RE NOT PAYING MORE? 'CAUSE I MEAN, WHEN THE DAY IS DONE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE BEING GOOD CITIZENS, RIGHT? AS WE'RE BEING A GOOD COMMUNITY, THEN IF WE'RE GETTING RENEWABLE ENERGY, THE, THE ONE THING THAT GREEN LOCATE AND GREEN COMMIT, WHAT WOULD DO, UH, HAS BEEN VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONSITE RENEWABLE PIECES IS THAT IT BRINGS THE ASPECT THAT YOU'VE PUSHED RENEWABLES FURTHER AND BROUGHT THEM ON MORE ONLINE.
YOU WEREN'T RELYING ON SITES THAT ALREADY EXISTED FOR 20 YEARS THAT A PS JUST, UH, DIDN'T UTILIZE THE REX OR DIDN'T SELL THEM AT THE TIME.
AND SO THEY OPENED 'EM UP FOR US TO GET 'EM.
AND SO IT ALLOWS AP, UH, A PS CAN THEN JUST KIND OF SIT ON HOW THE, THE GRID WORKS AND JUST BE LIKE, OKAY, WE SOLD REX FROM HERE, BUT IT DOESN'T ESSENTIALLY PUSH THEM TO ADVANCE HOW QUICKLY THEY BRING ON RENEWABLES.
THEY CAN JUST SELL THE WRECKS FROM RENEWABLES THEY ALREADY HAVE ON SITE.
BUT IT DOESN'T DECARBONIZE THE WHOLE GRID ANY QUICKER BECAUSE THEY JUST SIT ON WHAT THE IS ALREADY EXISTING.
THIS IS EXTREMELY HELPFUL, SO THANK YOU.
IT SAYS WE'RE TRYING TO GET RENEWABLE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
ANYTHING ELSE, JESSICA, THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YOU OKAY.
I HAVE JUST ONE VICE MAYOR, JUST ONE CLARIFICATION INCLUDED IN RENEWABLE IS NUCLEAR, CORRECT? UH, YEAH.
SO NUCLEAR WOULD BE INCLUDED IN RENEWABLE, UM, A PS WILL KIND OF, UH, THEY'LL, THEY'LL KIND OF LUMP 'EM INTO LIKE CARBON FREE, UH, COMPONENTS
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TO IT, BUT NUCLEAR WOULD BE IN THEIR, THEIR PURVIEW FOR THAT.AT THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS.
DARLA SAID THAT THEIR, WHO IS, UH, A PS CUSTOMER SERVICE EXECUTIVE, SHE SAID THEY'RE AT 51% RENEWABLE RIGHT NOW.
IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT, YOU KNOW? YEAH, THAT'S, UH, I MEAN THAT'S CONSISTENT.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE, UH, AS I CAN GET YOU, I'LL ALSO SEND THE, THE, THE GRID MAP OVER TO YOU OF WHAT THEY, THEY KIND OF HAVE.
SO THAT, I MEAN A WIDE VARIETY OF THINGS TO IT.
IT'S JUST THE REMAINING SITES THAT THEY HAVE THAT ARE NOT RENEWABLE ARE PRETTY, PRETTY HEAVY EMITTERS, UM, FOR IT.
BUT THEY DO HAVE, UH, THEY DO HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SITES AND THEY WILL INCLUDE NUCLEAR AS A PART OF THEIR, THEIR CARBON NEUTRAL OR CARBON FREE GOALS.
JUST BRYCE, I DO HAVE ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION.
I WASN'T IN OBVIOUSLY INVOLVED WITH THE, UM, THE INITIAL WRECK PURCHASE IS, UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT WHEN THEY MAKE THE CLAIM OF, UH, THE 51%, UM, CARBON FREE, DO THEY ACTUALLY CALL THAT RENEWABLE? DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND, OR IS IT, I BELIEVE THERE ARE TERMS AS THEY'LL SAY, UH, CARBON FREE.
I THINK USUALLY THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A TERMINOLOGY SHIFT THERE BETWEEN CARBON FREE AND RENEWABLE.
BUT MAYBE THAT'S NOT, IT'S A CONSUMER TERM AS OPPOSED TO TECHNICAL TERM.
I THINK, UH, MY, UM, YEAH, MY QUESTION WAS IS DOES THE 51%, UM, ANY, ANY REC SALES ARE COMING OUTTA THAT 51%, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S NOT IN ADDITION TO THAT, LIKE IF THEY'RE, IF A PS IS CLAIMING 51% RENEWABLE WHEN THEY SELL A WRECK, IT'S COMING OUTTA THAT 51% BUCKET? FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, YES.
I'M CERTAINLY NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THIS GRAPH, BUT I JUST DID WANNA SHOW YOU THAT WE, UM, UH, YEAH, EVERYTHING GOT DISTILLED INTO A, A, A MORE DETAILED, UM, COST ESTIMATE.
JUST TO WRAP UP ON KEY RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, CORE RECOMMENDATION IS TO DECARBONIZE BASED ON THE ROADMAP.
UM, AGAIN, TO BE CLEAR, YOU KNOW, OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT MEANS IS ACTUALLY GOING FORWARD WITH PROJECTS WHERE YOU GET A MORE CLARITY AND MORE DETAIL AND, UH, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE COSTS ARE BASED ON AN ACTUAL BID.
UH, AND YOU ACTUALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH MOST OF THESE EFFICIENCY TYPE PROJECTS, SOLAR TYPE PROJECTS, YOU'RE GONNA ACTUALLY GET A, IN ADDITION TO THAT, A GUARANTEE OF PERFORMANCE THAT WOULD BE YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE X AMOUNT AS WELL AS WHAT IT'S GONNA COST.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, BASED ON THE TIMING, WE ARE SEEING, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A SUBSTANTIAL PHASE.
NOW, THE REASON FOR DOING THAT NOW VERSUS SAY WAITING TILL 2030 IS, I WOULD SAY THREEFOLD.
YOU DO HAVE THE IRA INCENTIVE THAT'S AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AVAILABLE THROUGH 2032.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, ONE NEVER KNOWS, UH, WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN, UM, WITH THAT, UH, INCENTIVE, UM, ACCRUING BENEFITS.
NOW, UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THE WORK, YOU MIGHT AS WELL, UM, GET IT GOING AND, UH, BRINGING IN THE, THE OPERATING SAVINGS.
NOW ANOTHER ITEM, UH, THAT I DIDN'T MENTION HERE IS JUST CONSTRUCTION COST AND IMPLEMENTATION COSTS.
UM, IF YOU COMPARE, UH, JUST THE CPI OVER TIME VERSUS CONSTRUCTION COST INDICATORS, CONSTRUCTION TENDS TO BE A LOT MORE THAN THE CPI.
UM, HOPEFULLY THAT CHANGES OVER TIME, BUT THAT'S HISTORICALLY NOT BEEN THE CASE.
UM, THIS, AND THIS SPEAKS RIGHT TO THE THING WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH BRYCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, THAT AT A STAFF LEVEL, AT LEAST, THE EXPECTATION WAS THAT, UM, AND A CITYWIDE APPROACH ON RENEW ON OFFSITE RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY WAS THAT, HEY, IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR US TO GET INTO THE GAME WITH, UM, THIS INITIAL LEVEL WITH A PS DOING THE REC PURCHASES.
UM, BUT THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO TAKE IT TO A HIGHER LEVEL AND MAKING SURE THAT ANY, UM, RENEWABLES, UM, THAT THE CITY IS ASSOCIATED WITH, THAT THOSE ARE, UM, BOTH ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE CITY AND THAT IT'S NEW ADDITIONAL RENEWABLES.
THAT'S, UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY A POLICY CALL FOR THE COUNCIL TO MAKE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, WE SUPPORT THAT OR NOT.
YOU HAVE A QUESTION, KATHY, CAN I GO BACK TO YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENT ABOUT THE
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CONSTRUCTION? WHAT ABOUT THE, WHAT ABOUT THE MISSIONS, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH CONSTRUCTION? IS THAT FACTORED INTO YOUR YEAH, WE DID NOT INCLUDE, UH, WE DID NOT INCLUDE THAT IN THE CALCULATIONS.UH, HAVING A, UH, SPECIFIC FOCUS ON THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UH, AND THE SOLAR AND EFFICIENCY OPPORTUNITY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, SEEMED LIKE SOMETHING THAT ROSE TO A, A KEY RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEN ALSO ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY THAT WE SAW WITH THAT LARGER A PS APPROACH IS THAT IF YOU DID DO KIND OF MORE OF A LOCALIZED RENEWABLE OFFSITE ARRAY, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD OPEN UP AND NOT JUST HAVE IT BE A MUNICIPAL THING FOR MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS, BUT DO IT AS A CITYWIDE OPPORTUNITY, UM, WITH SOME OF THE LARGER EMPLOYERS OR EVEN POTENTIALLY DO, YOU KNOW, SOME LARGER THING THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY NEED A LOT MORE CONVERSATION WITH A PS, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE PUSHED AROUND.
UH, ANDY HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO JUST FOR MOVING FORWARD IN CLARITY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE ONGOING DECARBONIZATION PROJECTS, WE'RE GETTING A, A REDUCTION IN CARBON, UM, ON AN ONGOING BASIS.
SO IF WE DO A PROJECT THAT HAS AN IMPACT DUE TO CONSTRUCTION, THAT'S A ONE TIME IMPACT, RIGHT? SO EVEN IF YOU DID ACCOUNT FOR IT, IT WOULDN'T BE ON AN ONGOING BASIS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.
AND I CAN JUST SPEAK AS A GENERAL RULE OF THUMB, THE, UH, CARBON RELATED TO CONSTRUCTION TYPICALLY RANGES IN THREE TO, I WOULD SAY 10% OF THE OPERATING CARBON, UH, OF THE IMPROVEMENT YOU'RE DOING.
THAT'S A REAL RULE OF THUMB, BUT THAT'S KIND OF AN INDUSTRY, UH, THAT'S WHAT IS TALKED ABOUT IN THE INDUSTRY.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS FOR OUR, UH, OUR FOLKS HERE WITH MCKINTRY? OKAY, GO FOR IT.
ALL RIGHT, UH, SO WE GOT A FEW MORE SLIDES TO GET TO.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ALL TIME AND I'LL TRY TO GO THROUGH THESE ONES, UH, FAIRLY QUICKLY.
SO I REALLY WANNA GET TO, UH, SOME OF OUR PROGRAMMING UPDATES AND UPCOMING EVENTS.
UH, SO JUST TO, UH, FURTHER EMPHASIZE FOR THE, FOR THE DECARBONIZATION ROADMAP HERE IN FY 25.
UH, WE HAVE A FEW PHASE ONE KIND OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN OUTLINED, UH, IN THOSE COMPONENTS ARE, UH, SO THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE, THE F THE FY 25 BUDGET PROCESS.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY, UH, ADDITIONAL CHANGES OR WHATNOT THROUGH THAT.
BUT JUST TO HIGHLIGHT, UH, WHERE WE'RE AT WITH 'EM.
SO, UH, WE DID SITE WALKS, UH, RECENTLY ON SEPTEMBER 4TH, UH, FOR THE HVAC CONTROL SYSTEMS, AS WELL AS THE LED STREETLIGHT, UH, INSTALLATION.
AND, UH, WE'RE, UH, HOPEFULLY GETTING PROPOSALS HERE SHORTLY SO THAT WE CAN GET THOSE, UH, PRICE ESTIMATES PUT OR THE PRICE QUOTES PUT TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH GETTING THOSE LED STREETLIGHTS INSTALLED, AND AS WELL AS GETTING THOSE, UH, HVAC OPTIMIZATION PIECES.
SO, UH, GETTING TO, UH, CONTINUE ON WITH THAT CIP PROJECT HERE.
AND THEN THE OTHER, UH, COMPONENT OF IT, UH, THAT WE MENTIONED WAS, UH, THIS, UH, PHASE TWO.
UM, THAT WOULD BE THE DESIGN, UH, DESIGN PHASE THAT WOULD GET TO THAT MORE DISTINCT FINANCING, UH, FINANCAL PARAMETERS, WHAT THE EXACT PROJECTS WOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, AND, AND THE LIKE ON THAT PROPOSAL, UH, IS, UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY REVIEWING AND TAKING A LOOK AT IT, AND THE IDEA WOULD BE COME BACK AND, UH, TO CHAT WITH COUNSEL ON THAT PROPOSAL AS WELL.
SO, UH, BOTH OF THOSE WOULD BE UPCOMING HERE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, UH, UNDER THE, UH, FY 25 BUDGETED PRO, UH, PROJECTS.
UH, SO WE'VE CO UH, COVERED, UH, QUITE A BIT OF GSG INVENTORY, SO I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON A FEW OTHER, UH, COMPONENTS HERE.
SO, UH, WITH THE, THE ROADMAP, UH, IT REALLY FOCUSES ON, UH, THE SCOPE ONES AND, UH, TWO EMISSIONS, THE, THE DIRECT OPERATIONS EMISSIONS THAT WE HAVE.
UH, AND SO, UM, IN JUNE, I PRESENTED ON THE COMMUNITY GHG INVENTORIES.
AND SO WE DO A MUNICIPAL, UH, INVENTORY AND A COMMUNITY INVENTORY EACH YEAR.
UH, AND SO I FIGURED SINCE THE ROADMAP WAS COMING UP TO GO AHEAD AND PAIR THE MUNICIPAL WITH IT.
SO, UM, SINCE WE'VE COVERED A, A GOOD CHUNK OF IT, UH, THIS IS JUST KIND OF TO BREAK DOWN, UH, BY SCOPES OF WHAT THEY KIND OF LOOK LIKE, UH, GENERALLY IN THE ACCOUNTING, UM, ACCOUNTING METHODOLOGY IS THAT YOU LOOK AT IT BY LOCATION BASE, WHICH KIND OF STRIPS OUT RECS AND OFFSETS AND THE LIKE.
AND, UH, AND THEN YOU LOOK AT A MARKET BASE WHERE YOU'RE APPLYING RECS AND YOU'RE APPLYING OFFSETS AND, AND, AND
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SO ON.SO, UH, WITH THAT, UH, WITH THE SCOPE TWO EMISSIONS, UH, UNDER LOCATION BASE, ABOUT 50%, UH, OF OUR EMISSIONS ARE ELECTRICITY RELATED, WHICH LINES UP WELL WITH, UH, WHAT MCKINSTRY, UH, PRESENTED ON.
WHEN WE APPLY THE WRECKS FROM THE CURRENT AIR A PS GREEN POWER PARTNER PROGRAM, ESSENTIALLY THOSE, UH, EMISSION SOURCES GO AWAY.
SO THIS GRAPH IS JUST ESSENTIALLY HIGHLIGHT WHAT THE, WHAT KIND OF HAPPENS WHEN YOU APPLY REX IN A MARKET BASED SETTING VERSUS LOCATION BASED SETTING, AND HOW THAT, UH, DIFFERENCE KIND OF PLAYS OUT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO ACCOUNTING METHODOLOGIES.
AND THEN, UH, FURTHER, UH, BROKEN DOWN BY DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
UH, SO I DID WANNA TOUCH ON ONE THING.
SO, UH, FOR SCOPES, UH, SCOPES ARE NOT, UM, THEY'RE ONE, TWO, AND THREE, BUT IT'S NOT LISTED IN PRIORITY.
UH, SO YOU WON'T SEE, IT'S NOT SCOPE ONE ISN'T.
SCOPE TWO ISN'T DO THIS FIRST.
IT'S JUST, UH, THE, WHEN, UH, THE METHODOLOGY IS GETTING CREATED, THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO BUCKET AND BE ABLE TO POOL, UH, DIFFERENT COMPONENTS TOGETHER.
SO SCOPE ONE LARGELY, UH, ENCOMPASSES YOUR DIRECT OPERATIONS, LIKE YOUR FLEET, YOUR, UH, NATURAL GAS USAGE, UH, ANYTHING THAT IS, UH, DIRECT OPERATIONAL CONTROLS.
SCOPE TWO LARGELY JUST GOES TO ELECTRICITY.
UM, AND THEN SCOPE THREE WAS THEN BUCKETED AS IT'S MORE OF LIKE A SHARED EMISSIONS CATEGORY.
AND THAT'S WHERE, UH, A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT, UM, COMPONENTS THAT ARE HARDER, UH, TO TACKLE, GET ENGAGED WITH BECAUSE, UH, SCOPE THREE EMISSIONS HAVE SHARED RESPONSIBILITIES BETWEEN MULTIPLE ENTITIES VERSUS IF IT'S OUR DIRECT NATURAL GAS, WE KNOW THAT'S OURS.
BUT IF WE'RE PURCHASING A PRODUCT OR WE'RE AIR TRAVEL OR, UM, UH, HAVE INVESTMENTS OR WHATNOT, THOSE ARE ULTIMATELY GETTING INTO SCOPE THREE THAT ARE MUCH MORE CHALLENGING, UH, TO NAVIGATE AND THE LIKE.
SO ANYWAY, FOR THE ASPECT OF WHAT WE'VE CALCULATED, THESE ARE THE SAME CATEGORIES, UH, THAT WE'VE PRESENTED ON BEFORE.
THAT LOCATION BASED APPROACH HAS, UH, WASTEWATER ELECTRICITY BEING ABOUT 37, UH, PERCENT OF THE EMISSION SOURCES.
AND THEN IT KIND OF, UH, CIRCLING IN A COUNT, UH, CLOCKWISE MANNER, UH, DECREASES FROM THERE GOES FROM, UH, TO FLEET AT 17%, 16%, SO ON.
UH, AND THE, SO THE MAIN BULK OF IT COMES FROM, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT, PLANT ELECTRICITY, WHICH MAKES SENSE.
SO THEY USE THE, THE MOST ELECTRICITY WITHIN, UH, CITY OPERATIONS.
AND THEN FLEET EMPLOYEE COMMUTING IS BRYCE.
I, I'M JUST TRYING TO, I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT YEAH, MY APOLOGIES.
I'M TRYING TO, I WAS JUST TRYING TO SPEED UP GET THROUGH.
COUNCIL FOLKS HAS A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, BRYCE, EMPLOYEE COMMUTE, SORRY, IF THIS SHOULD BE OBVIOUS, IS THAT SCOPE ONE? IS THAT SCOPE THREE? IT'S SCOPE THREE.
SO THAT, AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S NOT AT ALL FACTORED INTO THE MCKINSTRY WORK 'CAUSE THEY'RE ONLY LOOKING AT ONE AND TWO, RIGHT? YES.
AND, UH, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT ON SCOPE THREE, THERE'S A VARIETY OF, UH, OF TACTICS THAT CAN BE UTILIZED FOR IT, UH, FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEMS TO EV INCENTIVES AND THE LIKE.
BUT, UH, IT'S NOT A REAL CUT AND DRY ON HOW YOU GET SCOPE THREE, UH, TO REDUCE.
UH, SAME, SAME GRAPH, BUT JUST MARKET BASE.
UH, JUST TRYING TO CONTINUE TO ILLUSTRATE JUST THAT THERE'S CHANGES THAT HAPPEN WHEN WRECKS AND WHATNOT GET APPLIED TO IT.
SO IN THIS, UH, MARKET BASED APPROACH, UH, THE ELECTRICITY, UH, PIECES FALL OUT, UH, WHILE FLEET EMPLOYEE COMMUTING AND PUBLIC TRANSIT AND LAKES START TO FILL A LARGER PIE DEPENDING ON, UH, APPLYING THE WRECKS AND OFFSETS.
SO, JUST WANTED TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THAT THE, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT APPROACHES, UH, AND BOTH ARE UTILIZED IN ACCOUNTING.
SO THIS IS, UH, HIGHLIGHTING FROM A, A MARKET, UH, MARKET BASED, UH, MARKET BASED, UH, ACCOUNTING.
UH, AND THIS IS, UH, UH, ALL OF THE PREVIOUS, UH, SLIDES THAT WE PRESENTED ON, UH, IN PREVIOUS COUNCIL SESSIONS ON MUNICIPAL EMISSIONS.
UH, FOR THIS SLIDE IS ACCOUNTING FOR MARKET BASED.
UH, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE, UH, UH, LIKE A HUNDRED PERCENT REDUCTION OR WHATNOT THAT'S APPLIED TO WASTEWATER TREATMENT, UH, IS BECAUSE THIS IS WASTEWATER TREATMENT, ELECTRICITY.
UH, AND SO THAT KIND OF DROPS OUT WHEN WE APPLY, UH, THE, THE, THE WRECKS ASSOCIATED WITH THE GREEN POWER, UH, PARTNER PROGRAM.
SO, EMPLOYED COMMUTING HAS STAYED, UH, RELATIVELY, UH, STEADY, UH, FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
SO THIS, UH, THE DARK GREEN BAR IS 2023, UH, AND, UH, THE SEQUENCES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO, FLEA, UH, HAS SEEN A BIT OF AN INCREASE, UH, FROM, UH, THE BASELINE.
SO THE PERCENTAGES, UH, THAT ARE IN THE GRAPH ARE, UM, PERCENTAGE CHANGE TO BASELINE.
AND THE 36% INCREASE IS JUST, UH, WE HAVE, UH, MUCH, MUCH MORE ACTIVITY, UH, IN BET FROM 22 TO 23, BUILDING OUT A NEW PARK, UH, HAVING, UH, MORE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES.
AND LIKE THE FLEET WE'RE INVOLVED WITH, IT KIND OF DROVE UP, UH, FLEET, UH, NUMBERS WITHIN THAT, UH, SOLID WASTE.
UH, ESTIMATIONS ARE DOWN ABOUT 46%,
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UH, FROM, UH, THE BASELINE.UH, THAT'S PARTLY CHANGED THE METHODOLOGY OF WHAT WAS AVAILABLE AT THE TIME FROM 2018 FOR DATA VERSUS WHERE WE'RE GETTING TO NOW.
UH, PART OF IT'S SPEND DATA AND THE LIKE.
BUT, UM, I CAN GO INTO THAT, UH, IN MORE DETAIL AT A LATER TIME, UH, FOR YOU IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.
BUT, UH, THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT COMPONENTS HERE.
THE ONE THING I DID WANNA, UH, BRING UP IS THAT, UH, WITH PUBLIC TRANSIT, THAT ONE, UH, IS, UH, KIND OF WHOOPS, WENT TOO FAR.
PUBLIC TRANSIT IS NEW ONE, UH, RELATIVELY NEW ONE AND WHATNOT THAT GETS, UH, BROUGHT UP THE LAST TWO YEARS.
UH, AND SO THAT INCREASES BECAUSE IN 2022 IT WAS ONLY RUNNING FOR LIKE TWO THIRDS OR SO OF THE YEAR, AND THEN 23 YEARS INCREASE.
HOWEVER, UH, THE ONE THING I'LL HIGHLIGHT LATER IS, UH, THAT I'LL GET TO LATER, IS THAT PUBLIC TRANSIT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S INCREASED EMISSIONS FOR MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS, IT'S GIVING EMISSIONS AVOIDANCE AT THE COMMUNITY LEVEL.
SO IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S NOT A REAL CONCERN FOR US, UH, AT THE MOMENT FOR THAT ONE, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A, A GREAT BENEFIT.
UH, BRYCE, JUST CURIOUS, UH, FIRST COMMENT.
WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT EARLIER IN THIS PRESENTATION.
I MEAN, THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE OUT THERE SO FAR IS AMAZING AND IN CONTROL IN THEIR EMISSIONS.
WHY IS THE 2023 DATA MISSING ON THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT? SO, UH, ESSENTIALLY ZEROES 'CAUSE WRECKS ARE APPLIED TO THAT WASTEWATER TREATMENT, ELECTRICITY.
SO THAT'S WHY IT ESSENTIALLY ZEROES THAT OUT.
AND SO IT DOESN'T SHOW UP AS A, A BAR.
WHAT WOULD THE 2023 DATA LOOK LIKE COMPARED TO THE TREND? IT WOULD, UH, IT WOULD STILL BE, IT STILL BE LOWER, UH, AND GET BACK TO YOU WITH THE FULL NUMBER, BUT IT IS LOWER 'CAUSE THEY HAD LESS ELECTRICITY USE AND THE, THE GRID EMISSION FACTOR IMPROVED.
SO THERE'S A DECLINE STILL AT WASTEWATER, EVEN WITHOUT REX.
UH, AND SO YEARLY, UH, KIND OF SHOWING THE, UM, UH, WITH THAT MARKET BASED APPROACH WITH IT, UM, WE STARTED IN 2018, UH, ESTIMATING, UH, ALMOST 3000 METRIC TONS, ESSENTIALLY WITH THE RECS APPLIED.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING DOWN ABOUT 50%, UH, TO THAT FOUR, UH, ABOUT ALMOST 1500 OR SO METRIC TONS.
SO, UH, RECS GET US A LONG WAY, AND THEN IT KIND OF FLUCTUATES BASED OFF OF WHICH CATEGORY, UH, ON EACH YEAR.
UH, BUT OVERALL ELECTRICITY IMPROVEMENTS AND SOME OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THEN ARE KIND OF BUOYED BY, UH, TRANS SHUTTLE COMING ON AND SOME INCREASED ACTIVITY AND FLEET, UH, AND THE LIKE.
UH, LARGELY FROM THOSE WRECKS, LIKE I MENTIONED, UH, NATURAL GAS INCREASED A BIT JUST 'CAUSE IN, UH, 2023, WE HAD A PRETTY COLD WINTER.
UH, I THINK ALL OF US REMEMBER SOME OF THOSE, UH, STORMS THAT WERE ROLLING THROUGH, UH, LAST YEAR THAT, UH, UH, WERE RATHER COLD.
SO THAT KIND OF DROVE UP OUR NATURAL GAS INCREASE.
UH, AND THEN COMMUTING KIND OF STAYS RELATIVELY THE SAME.
UH, THE PUBLIC TRANSIT VEHICLES THAT WE'VE GONE IN, UH, DETAIL WITH, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF LACK OF CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE MODELS NOT AVAILABLE AS ROBERT, UH, WILL, UH, AS HIGHLIGHTED BEFORE.
UH, AND SOME OF 'EM ARE PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE, SAME GOES FOR A HEAVY DUTY EQUIPMENT, BUT AS A WHOLE, PUBLIC TRANSIT HAS HELPED AVOID EMISSIONS AT THE COMMUNITY LEVEL AT ABOUT 383 METRIC TONS.
SO EMITTED ABOUT 220, UH, GAS VEHICLES AND PASSENGER VEHICLES THAT WOULD'VE BEEN USED OTHERWISE, WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, RIGHT AROUND, UH, WAS THAT 603.
UH, AND SO THE, THE DIFFERENCE THERE IS THAT THEY'RE PRETTY, PRETTY SOLID BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC TRANSIT VEHICLES.
AND, UH, WITH THAT, I JUST, UH, FINISH ANY QUESTIONS.
I'LL MOVE ON TO OUR PROGRAMMING UPDATES AND BRING MY FELLOW, UH, TEAM MEMBERS, UH, FORWARD, UH, FOR THE, UH, NEXT, NEXT STAGE OF THE, THE PRESENTATION.
AND WE JUST HAVE A FEW MORE SLIDES TO GET THROUGH.
CAN I JUST WANNA ASK ABOUT QUESTION, DO WE KNOW HOW WELL THE, THE NEW SHUTTLE SYSTEM IS DOING? THE, I NEVER CAN REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT.
UM, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A SPECIFIC DATA UPDATE FROM ROBERT.
IT'S ONLY BEEN OPERATING A COUPLE WEEKS NOW, AND AS YOU KNOW, IT'S THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, ONLY LIMITED HOURS, BUT I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE A REPORT SOON.
ANECDOTALLY, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM DIFFERENT TYPES OF USERS, BOTH RESIDENTS AND VISITORS.
SO IT SEEMS TO BE WELL RECEIVED AT THE MOMENT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE SOME PROGRAMMING UPDATES HERE, SO, FORWARD PLEASE.
SO, UH, EXCITED ABOUT SOME OF THESE, UH, PROGRAMMING UPDATES TO SHARE, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, WE HAVE A NEW TEAM MEMBER I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU ALL TO.
I JUST WANNA, UH, HIGHLIGHT A REALLY COOL OPPORTUNITY, UH, THAT ARE MY TEAM MEMBER HERE, ZACH, IS, UH, BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN.
SO, UH, ARIZONA FORD, UH, HOSTS A, A COHORT, UH, I THINK IT'S NEARLY THAT IS, UH, IS KNOWN AS THE EMERGING
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EMERGING SUSTAINABILITY LEADERS COHORT.UH, AND IT'S REALLY AMAZING OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR, UH, ARIZONA FORD WILL HOST A VARIETY OF LIKE, UH, WORKSHOPS AND, UH, FIELD TRIP TOURS TO LIKE A PS AND, AND DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT CATEGORIES LIKE ACROSS THE STATE FROM WATER AND ENERGY AND THE LIKE.
AND Z HAS BEEN ACCEPTED INTO THAT ARIZONA FORWARD EMERGING SUSTAINABILITY LEADERS PROGRAM.
SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED, UH, THAT HE GETS TO PARTICIPATE, UH, WITH THAT, WITH THAT GROUP.
SO JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
AND THEN OUR NEW TEAM MEMBER, UH, AMY WRIGHT HERE, UH, AT THE END IS, UH, SHE IS OUR AMERICORPS, UH, OUR NEW AMERICORPS VISTA TEAM MEMBER.
SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE AMY ON BOARD.
YOU HAVEN'T RUN OUT THE DOOR YET, SO THAT'S A GOOD SIGN.
ALRIGHT, SO WITH THE, UH, PROGRAMMING UPDATES, I'LL HAND IT OFF TO ZACH FOR THE SUSTAINABLE NEIGHBORHOODS UPDATE.
UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU, UH, MAYOR, UH, VICE MAYOR AND, UH, COUNCIL FOR YOUR TIME TODAY, AS ALWAYS.
UM, SO JUST REAL QUICK, UH, FROM MY PART, UH, JUST A QUICK UPDATE FOR THE SUSTAINABLE NEIGHBORHOODS PROGRAM.
UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IT WAS, UH, LAUNCHED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
UM, TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET IT ALL SET UP, BUT WE, UH, LAUNCHED THE PROGRAM, UH, WITH OUR FIRST, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PARTICIPATING LES SPRINGS.
UM, AND THEY HAVE BEEN, UH, FANTASTIC, UH, SO FAR, UH, IN THIS PROGRAM.
UH, THEY HAVE, AGAIN, ABOUT OVER A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED HOUSEHOLDS, UH, WITHIN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, JUST A REALLY QUICK RECAP ABOUT THAT PROGRAM.
IT BASICALLY ENCOURAGES NEIGHBORS, UH, TO COME TOGETHER TO, UH, FORM A LEADERSHIP TEAM.
AND OVER THE YEAR, UH, OR MULTIPLE YEARS, THEY WILL PLAN, UM, AND EXECUTE A WIDE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SUSTAINABILITY RELATED, UH, ACTIVITIES.
UM, SO THOSE ACTIVITIES CAN INCLUDE, UH, WORKSHOPS, PROJECTS, UH, SPECIAL EVENTS, UM, AND, UH, AND, AND, UH, CLUBS AS WELL.
UM, SO, UH, LES SPRINGS JUST, UH, PUT ON A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, UH, THEIR FIRST, UH, WORKSHOP.
UM, SO THIS WAS A WORKSHOP THAT HAD, UH, ABOUT, UH, I THINK 18 OR 19 RESIDENTS, MANY, UH, WITH, WITH MANY NEW FACES, UH, SHOWING UP TO LEARN ABOUT, UH, WHAT IT, WHAT IT MEANS TO JOIN A SOLAR CO-OP, LEARN ABOUT THE BENEFITS, UM, THE DRAWBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, AND IT INVOLVES BRINGING A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD TO LEARN ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND HOPEFULLY IT ALL LEADS TO A LITTLE BIT OF ACTION WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE PARTNERED WITH, UM, UH, SOLAR UNITED NEIGHBORS TO, UH, COME TO LES SPRINGS ALL THE WAY UP FROM PHOENIX.
UM, AND, UH, WE, UH, PRESENTED TOGETHER ON, UH, THE, THE BENEFITS OF JOINING THE SOLAR CO-OP.
UM, SO, UH, AT THE END OF THAT WORKSHOP, WE, THEY HAD, UH, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE, UH, ACTUALLY SIGN UP TO JOIN FOR, UH, THIS YEAR'S SOLAR CO-OP.
AND THEY HAD SOME GREAT ENGAGEMENT, SOME GREAT QUESTIONS.
UM, SO EVERY, I THINK EVERYBODY HAD A PRETTY GOOD TIME AS WELL.
UM, SO JUST LEADING INTO JACK, JACK, BEFORE YOU GO ON TO SOMETHING NEXT, I JUST WANT A QUESTION AT A HUNDRED HOUSEHOLDS IS REALLY COOL AND LAY SPRINGS, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SO THAT'S, UH, I KNOW JOE'S SAYING NO.
UH, WHAT ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DO HAVE A PONDERANCE, UH, OF SHORT TERM RENTALS? YOU, ARE YOU GETTING ANY INTEREST FROM THOSE? I MEAN, THERE'S SOME 40%, 30% KIND OF HIGH, BUT WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE THOSE PEOPLE WHO DO LIVE THERE TO GET INVOLVED IN JUST SOMETHING TO BRING CAMARADERIE TOGETHER.
UH, YES, MAYOR, UH, THAT'S DEFINITELY THE GOAL.
UM, WHAT I AM HOPING FOR, UH, IS TO ENSURE THAT LES SPRINGS IS, UH, SUCCESSFUL AS POSSIBLE, UM, AND, UH, BRINGS A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE, UM, AND LOT OF THEIR, A LOT OF THEIR NEIGHBORS TOGETHER.
UH, AND TO EVENTUALLY AFTER, YOU KNOW, A THREE, MAYBE THREE OR FOUR, UM, REALLY SUCCESSFUL EVENTS THAT WE CAN START TO BRING IN AND ATTRACT NEIGHBORS FROM UP, OR EXCUSE ME, RESIDENTS FROM OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, AND HAVE LEFT SPRINGS ACT AS A ROLE MODEL, UH, AND A BLUEPRINT, UH, FOR OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE, IN THE CITY.
UM, AND THEN SPEAKING OF SOLAR CO-OPS, UM, AGAIN, WITH SOLAR UNITED NEIGHBORS, THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT, UH, THIS IS OUR FOURTH YEAR JOINING, UH, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM.
UH, THIS PARTNERSHIP COMES AT NO EXPENSE TO THE CITY.
UM, BUT WE, UH, WE LOVE WORKING WITH THEM.
UH, WE ARE ALSO NOT ALONE WORKING WITH THEM.
WE HAVE THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF AS WELL AS COCONINO COUNTY JOINING, UH, THE NORTHERN SOLAR CO-OP.
UM, AND BASICALLY, UH, THE, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS CO-OP IS TO BRING HOPEFULLY A COUPLE HUNDRED HOUSEHOLDS, UM, FROM AROUND
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NORTHERN ARIZONA, SEDONA, FLAGSTAFF, COCONINO COUNTY, UH, ESPECIALLY, UM, TO COME TOGETHER, UH, TO JOIN A COHORT.AND FOR, UH, THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, ONCE THAT COHORT IS CREATED, THEY LEARN ABOUT WHAT LES SPRINGS PRETTY MUCH JUST WENT THROUGH.
SO THEY DO A SOLAR WORKSHOP 1 0 1, THEY LEARN ABOUT SOLAR, THEY LEARN ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES, THEY LEARN ABOUT THE BENEFITS AND DRAWBACKS OF JOINING A CO-OP.
UM, SO SOME OF THOSE, UH, BENEFITS, UM, INCLUDES, UH, SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PRICE REDUCTIONS AS WELL AS HAVING AN EXPERIENCED, UH, NONPROFIT HELP YOU GO THROUGH THE STEP BY STEP PROCESS OF GETTING SOLAR ON YOUR ROOF.
UM, THEY HAVE WORKED WITH, UH, HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF HOMES, UH, THROUGHOUT ARIZONA, UM, ABOUT, UH, I THINK OVER THE THREE YEARS THAT WE HAVE JUST WORKED WITH THEM IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE STATE, UH, THEY'VE HAD 533 HOMES JOIN THE CO-OP WITH ABOUT 151 HOUSEHOLDS, UH, ENDING UP INSTALLING SOLAR, LIKE GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.
UM, SO, UH, ANOTHER BENEFIT OF JOINING THE SOLAR CO-OP IS, UH, YOU ARE COMING TO A SOLAR SUPPLIER IN, UH, IN NUMBERS.
SO YOU'RE TURNING IT INTO PRETTY MUCH A WHOLESALE, UH, SITUATION, UM, WITH SOLAR.
SO, UM, SOME OF THE MAJOR EXPENSES THAT COMES WITH INSTALLING SOLAR ON YOUR ROOF IS ACTUALLY COMES FROM ADVERTISING FROM THESE COMPANIES.
THEY SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS JUST TRYING TO GET INDIVIDUALS INTERESTED IN DOING THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO IF YOU INSTEAD COME TO THEM, AND NOT JUST BY YOURSELF, BUT WITH A COUPLE HUNDRED PEOPLE, UM, THEY'RE WILLING TO ELIMINATE A GRAND MAJORITY OF THOSE COSTS.
UM, AND NOT ONLY THAT, YOU'RE HAVING A COUPLE HUNDRED HOMES POTENTIALLY PURCHASE SOLAR ALL IN ONE GO.
UM, SO FOR THE WHOLESALE ASPECT, THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T, THAT YOU'RE COMING TO THEM INSTEAD OF THEM COMING TO YOU, UH, IT JUST LARGELY REDUCES THE COST AND THUS SHORTENS THE, UH, PAYBACK PERIOD, UH, FOR YOUR SOLAR GRID, UM, ON YOUR ROOF.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT BENEFITS.
UM, AND SO FAR WE'VE HAD 26 HOUSEHOLDS, UH, FROM SEDONA PARTICIPATE, UH, WITH LES SPRINGS GETTING INVOLVED.
UH, AND WE'RE GONNA OPEN THIS BACK UP TO, UH, THE CITY IN, UH, ABOUT A MONTH OR SO, UM, TO JOIN.
UH, WE'RE HOPING THAT NUMBER, UH, INCREASES AS WELL THAT COUNCIL COSTELLO HAS A QUESTION.
ARE ALL THOSE 26 HOMES FROM LAY SPRINGS OR, UH, I, I'M NOT SURE ACTUALLY WHERE, UH, IN THE CITY THEY COME FROM THIS, THESE ARE NUMBERS FROM SOLAR UNITED IN TERMS OF, UH, THEY CAN CONFIRM TO US THAT THOSE WERE THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS WITHIN C THE CITY LIMITS, UH, THAT, UH, INSTALLED SOLAR.
UM, IT'D BE GREAT TO, IF WE COULD FIND OUT IF THERE IS LIKE ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, IF A PREPONDERANCE OF THESE NUMBERS COME FROM A SPECIFIC AREA, IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT THEN PROMPTED THAT OTHER THAN LEE SPRINGS OBVIOUSLY.
UH, SO I, I JUST WANT TO JUST, UH, AND MAYBE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING, UH, YOUR STATEMENT, BUT, UM, LES SPRINGS JUST IS JUST ABOUT TO JOIN, SO, OKAY.
SO THE 26TH THAT JOINED ALREADY, RIGHT? I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THEY'RE FROM.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF IT'S ONE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS JUST SCATTERED THROUGHOUT BECAUSE I, IF IT WAS ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WAS THE INSPIRATION FOR THAT.
UM, SO, UH, YEAH, SO WE CAN GET THAT, UH, INFORMATION FROM SOLAR UNITED NEIGHBORS, SO WE'LL, WE'LL GET THAT OUT TO, TO YOU, UH, COUNSELOR AND THE COUNCIL.
HELLO, MAYOR, CAN YOU HEAR ME? HI, UH, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS.
UM, SO THE A DEQ RECYCLING GRANT, AS YOU KNOW, WE WERE AWARDED THAT THIS YEAR.
UM, SO WE DID, WE HAVE MOVED FORWARD WITH, UH, THE NEXT STEPS OF THAT.
SO FIRST WAS PROCURING THE 10 RECYCLING RECEPTACLES THROUGH BIG BELLY.
UM, WE GOT THOSE RIGHT ON TIME.
AND THE GOALS OF THIS PROJECT ARE TO, UM, RETRIEVE RECYCLING DATA, UM, DIVERT OUR WASTE THROUGHOUT OUR CITY PARKS, UM, JUST KIND OF INCREASE THOSE SORT OF EFFORTS OR BEGIN THOSE EFFORTS.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE BEEN COLLABORATING WITH, UH, COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
AND OUR GOALS ARE TO ALSO REDUCE OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT.
AND THERE ARE ALSO OPPORTUNITIES FOR EDUCATIONAL, UM, MESSAGING ON THE SIDE PANELS, AS I KIND OF TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE, UM, COMPLETED OUR FIRST STATUS REPORT FOR THE A DEQ GRANT.
SO THERE'S LIKE QUARTERLY REPORTS THAT WE NEED TO FILL OUT AND, UH, UPDATE THEM ON THE PROJECT.
AND THEN, UH, PUBLIC WORKS HELPED US INSTALL THESE, UH, 10 RECEPTACLES AT FOUR DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP HERE WE HAVE POSSE GROUNDS PARK, SO THIS IS AT THE PICNIC RAMADA AREA.
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POSSE, GROUND PARK AND RIDE SHUTTLE STOP.WE HAVE SOME RECEPTACLES THERE AND SUNSET PARK AS WELL AS THE BOW STRING SHUTTLE STOP.
WHEN YOU SAY WASTE MANAGEMENT, YOU'RE REFERRING TO GENERIC TERM, NOT THE COMPANY WASTE MANAGEMENT, RIGHT? EXACTLY.
YEAH, OUR PUBLIC WORKS MAINTENANCE STAFF AND HOW MUCH, UM, YOU KNOW, FUEL THEY'RE USING TO GO PICK UP, UH, WASTE.
SO A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE'RE USING THE SAME CLEAN SOFTWARE TO TRACK OUR DATA.
SO THIS CAME WITH A, THE PACKAGE WITH THE BIG, BIG BELLIES.
UM, THIS IS ABLE, WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE THE MAINTENANCE TEAM ALERTS WHEN RECEPTACLES ARE FULL.
SO RATHER THAN THEM JUST GOING AROUND TRYING TO SERVICE, UH, EMPTY RECEPTACLES, THEY JUST KNOW AHEAD OF TIME WHICH CLUSTERS ARE FULL OR CLOSE TO FULL.
SO IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, NOTHING SHOWING UP AT THE RAMADA, THE PICNIC SPACES, THEY DON'T REALLY NEED TO GO THERE.
UM, THEY'RE ALSO KIND OF SERVING AS LIKE PROXY POINTS AS WELL AS, UH, HOW THE WASTE ONES HAVE BEEN DOING.
UM, SO WE ALSO GOT SOME SIGNAGE THROUGH RECYCLING AND CROSSED AMERICA.
THEY HAVE THESE IMAGES ON 'EM, SO THEY'RE PRETTY CLEAR ON WHAT IS RECYCLABLE, WHAT'S NOT, AND THEY ADHERE REALLY WELL TO THE HOPPERS.
SO THERE'S, UH, THEY'RE KIND OF WEATHERPROOF, THEY'RE HEAVY DUTY.
UM, WE'VE BEEN COLLABORATING WITH, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE SCHOOLS ON EDUCATIONAL SIDE PANEL MESSAGING, WHICH I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT, YOU KNOW, TRANSIT INFORMATION ON THE SIDE PANELS OR LEAVE NO TRACE MESSAGING, UM, WORKING WITH A DQ ON THAT KIND OF, AND, UH, PARKS AND REC CAN MAYBE ADVERTISE, YOU KNOW, OTHER UPCOMING EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, WE DID COLLECT, UH, ONE MONTH OF RECYCLING DATA, SO WE INSTALLED THESE AROUND JULY 22ND ISH, STARTED GETTING SOME DATA.
SO WE CAN SEE THAT WE'VE ALREADY COLLECTED 484 POUNDS OF RECYCLING, SO THAT'S WASTE DIVERTED FROM THE LANDFILL, WHICH IS, UM, A GREAT START.
AND WE CAN KIND OF SEE JUST A GENERAL SYNOPSIS HERE.
JESSICA, WHERE DOES THE TRASH GO? THE RECYCLING.
YOU TAKE IT TO RECYCLE CENTER.
YEAH, SO WE'RE WORKING WITH, UH, SEDONA RECYCLES.
YEAH, WE'RE FULLY COLLABORATING WITH THEM ON THIS MAYOR.
SO BEFORE YOU CONTINUE, I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE PUTTING NON-RECYCLABLE TRASH IN THE RECEPTACLES? I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT PERCENTAGE, BUT FROM, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE, UM, WE JUST KIND OF RANDOMLY LOOKED AT SOME OF THE RECEPTACLES OVER THE LAST MONTH, AND PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY RECYCLING PRETTY WELL.
SO, FOR INSTANCE, THE TRAIL HEAD SHUTTLE STOPS, WE KIND OF GIVE OUT PLASTIC BOTTLES, YOU KNOW, DRINKING BOTTLES FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE HYDRATED WHILE HIKING.
AND WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THOSE BOTTLES BEING NOW RECYCLED AT THOSE RECEPTACLES, UM, WHICH IS GREAT.
SO PEOPLE ARE HANGING ONTO THEM AND BRINGING 'EM BACK AFTER THEIR HIKE.
UM, THE ALUMINUM PRETTY STANDARD, SO PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT PRETTY WELL AS, UH, IN THE GLASS, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST DUMPING KOMBUCHA BOTTLES,
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON LIKE A, A FINALIZED COLLECTION PLAN WITH MAINTENANCE.
UM, BUT OVERALL IT'S LOOKING, I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN EXACT PERCENTAGE ON HOW WELL WE'RE LIKE LIMITING CONTAMINATION.
UM, BUT WE'LL JUST KEEP LOOKING INTO THAT AND OBSERVING.
MM-HMM,
AND I JUST MADE A SIMPLE LITTLE GRAPH HERE, KIND OF SHOWING EACH RECEPTACLE AT EACH LOCATION.
SO THE PLASTIC ONE AT SUNSET PARK, AS WELL AS, UH, THE RAMADA ARE EACH GETTING ABOUT 22 POUNDS OF WASTE IN THAT LAST MONTH.
UM, WE'RE SEEING THE SHUTTLE STOPS CLICK, UH, PRODUCING A LOT MORE WASTE SO FAR.
UM, ALUMINUM, WE DIDN'T REALLY GET ANY DATA FROM THE PARKS.
AND THEN POSSE GROUNDS OR THE SHUTTLE STOPS AGAIN, UH, MORE ALUMINUM BEING COLLECTED THERE.
SO, UH, WE'RE COLLECTING GLASS AT JUST THE PARK LOCATIONS.
WE DON'T HAVE GLASS COLLECTION FOR THE SHUTTLES SHUTTLE STOPS.
UM, SO ANYWAY, WE DID TRANSFER A FEW OF THE BIG BELLY WASTE RECEPTACLES THAT WERE ON THE BUS LINES TO THESE DIFFERENT SHUTTLE STOPS.
SO WE KIND OF HAVE CLUSTERS OF, OF BIG BELLY WASTE RECEPTACLE.
AND THEN, UH, THE, A COUPLE OF THE RECYCLING.
UM, OVERALL WE'VE COLLECTED ABOUT 161,000 POUNDS OF LANDFILL WASTE.
UM, SO WE HAVE THAT DATA AND THAT'S INCLUDING ALL WASTE RECEPTACLES.
SO THERE'S ABOUT 140 WASTE RECEPTACLES, AND WE'RE USING THESE AS PROXY POINTS.
SO THIS IS KIND OF AN ESTIMATE BASED OFF OF THOSE LOCATIONS.
UM, THE PREVIOUS MONTH THOUGH, WE DO HAVE LANDFILL WASTE,
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UH, DATA WITHOUT ANY RECYCLING EFFORTS, AND IT'S ABOUT 12,000, ALMOST 13,000 POUNDS.UM, IF WE KIND OF LOOK BACK AT THE CHART HERE, UM, WE HAVE ABOUT 12,000 POUNDS COLLECTED, UM, OF TRASH.
AND SO THAT'S SINCE THE START OF THE PROJECT.
SO WE'VE DIVERTED 484 POUNDS OF RECYCLING, UM, WHICH I THINK IS PRETTY GREAT.
AND THAT'S ABOUT 4% OF ALL THE WASTE COLLECTED FROM ALL THE LAND.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE RECEPTACLES THAT ARE NOT BIG BELLY, THAT, UM, 4%, IT'S A SMALL NUMBER, BUT IT'S ALSO OUR START IN DOING THIS.
UM, CONSIDERING WE ONLY HAVE 10 RECEPTACLES, IT'S LOOKING PRETTY GOOD.
SO IN GENERAL, UM, WE'RE NOTICING MORE WASTE IS CREATED AT THE PARKS AND TRAILHEAD LOCATIONS COMPARED TO THOSE BUS LINES WHERE THE RECEPTACLES WERE PLACED ORIGINALLY.
UM, AND OVERALL, WE'RE JUST KIND OF SEEING THAT THESE INITIAL RECYCLING EFFORTS ARE WORKING FROM THE FIRST MONTH.
UM, SO WITH THE SCHOOLS, UM, I BRIEFLY TALKED A LITTLE BIT YESTERDAY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR PROJECTS WE DID WITH THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND OUR GOALS ARE JUST TO CONTINUE, UM, CREATING THESE CONNECTIONS WITH THE SCHOOLS.
UM, WE'VE HAD A GREAT SUCCESS WITH THE ELEMENTARY.
UM, AMY AND I ARE WORKING WITH HIGH SCHOOL AS WELL AS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
UM, WE'RE REALLY JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP AND, UH, TAKE SOME OF THE BURDEN OFF TEACHERS AND FACULTY AND SUCH AND JUST REALLY HELP BUILD THE SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAMMING THERE.
UM, SO WE DID, UH, COMPLETE THAT ART PROJECT WENT REALLY WELL.
UM, THEY'RE OUT THERE ON THE BIG BELLIES, WHICH IS NICE, UH, WASTEWATER LAST SPRING THEY DID A LITTLE PRESENTATION FOR THIRD GRADE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR, UM, ELEMENTS OF TRYING TO BRING CITY STAFF INTO THE CLASSROOM TO HELP TEACH ABOUT WHAT THE CITY'S DOING FOR SUSTAINABILITY.
UH, SAME WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
THEY DO A DARK SKY SYMPOSIUM FOR FIFTH GRADE.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP THAT PROGRAMMING ALIVE.
UM, THERE'S MONTHLY STEM LEADERSHIP MEETINGS THAT THE SCHOOL HAS, THE WEST SEDDON SCHOOL, SO THEY'RE A STEM CERTIFIED SCHOOL, AND I'VE BEEN ATTENDING THOSE MEETINGS EVERY MONTH TO HELP KIND OF MOVE PROJECTS FORWARD.
AND, UH, WE HAD A LOT OF CITY STAFF ACTUALLY JOIN AT OUR MEET AND GREET FOR, UM, THE STEM PROGRAMMING.
SO THEY GOT TO MEET THE TEACHERS.
WE HAD STEVE MERTIS WITH COM DEV AND, UH, HANUKAH AND GILLY WITH, UH, PUBLIC WORKS.
IT WAS KIND OF A FUN LITTLE GROUP.
SO EVERYONE'S KIND OF WORKING WITH, UH, DIFFERENT GRADES ON SOME STEM PROGRAMMING, WHICH IS EXCELLENT.
AND, UH, AGAIN, BIG BELLY STUFF IS COMPLETED.
AND OUR FUTURE GOALS ARE JUST KIND OF GETTING MORE INVOLVED WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL, MIDDLE SCHOOL AND, UM, OTHER SURROUNDING SCHOOLS AS WELL.
SO WE'RE DOING THE METER HERO PROJECT, WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT, WHICH IS A KIND OF LIKE COLLECTING WATER DATA, UM, WATER READINGS FROM YOUR HOME METERS.
SO IT'S A STUDENT STUDENT DRIVEN PROJECT THAT WE'RE KIND OF, UM, GUIDING THEM ALONG WITH, UH, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY AND A METER HERO.
AND ANOTHER FEW PROJECT IDEAS ARE MAYBE COMPOSTING AT THE SCHOOL OR GARDENING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BUILD OUR PROGRAMMING AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN TAKE THEM.
UH, SO WE HAVE A FEW, UH, UPCOMING EVENTS THAT, UH, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO HIGHLIGHT HERE.
AND, UH, WE JUST GOT A FEW MORE SLIDES, SO APPRECIATE, UH, UH, THE PATIENCE WITH US AS WE GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
THIS IS MY, UH, AS I RISE, HAVE MENTIONED.
I AM THE NEW AMERICORPS VISTA MEMBER, UH, WORKING WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT THIS YEAR.
SO I'M PLEASED TO SHARE WITH YOU OUR UPCOMING, UH, WORKSHOPS.
OUR CLIMATE RESILIENCY WORKSHOPS, UH, MOSTLY WILL BE HELD AT THE SEDONA PUBLIC LIBRARY.
SO OUR FIRST WORKSHOP IS ON SEPTEMBER 26TH, AND IT'S OUR HOME ENERGY EFFICIENCY WORKSHOP.
THE FOCUS IS ON, UM, ENERGY, HOME ENERGY CONSERVATION AND WASTE TO LOWER ENERGY COSTS, UH, WHICH WOULD BE YOUR UTILITY BILLS.
UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM A PS, UM, ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC SECURITY, UNISOURCE GAS WILL BE PRESENT OR WILL BE IN ATTENDANCE, AND THEY WILL PRESENT THEIR, UM, HOME ENERGY ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS ON SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
UM, OUR DEPARTMENT WILL ALSO SHARE, UM, THE HOME ENERGY RETROFIT PROGRAM.
UM, THERE WILL BE TWO SESSIONS FOR THAT TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, BOTH, UM, MEMBERS OF, OF THE, TO ACCOMMODATE THE WORKING MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO I HAVE ONE THAT'S IN THE EVENING.
UM, THEN THE NEXT WORKSHOP WILL BE IN NOVEMBER, WHICH IS OUR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, UH, WORKSHOP.
UM, WE'LL HAVE THE, UM, SOMEONE FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO, UM, SPEAK ABOUT THE EMERGENCY, UM, KNOWING
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YOUR ZONES, UH, FIRE SAFETY, UM, AND, UH, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, WHAT TO DO BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER, UM, UM, AN EMERGENCY, SAY A WILD WILDLAND FIRE OR FLOODING.UM, AND THEN IN NEXT YEAR WE WILL HAVE OUR SPRING, UM, WORKSHOP, WHICH IS ON FOOD SYSTEMS, AND THAT WILL TALK ABOUT A FOCUS ON FOOD PRODUCTION, UM, AND FOOD DISTRIBUTION, MAINLY LOCAL GARDENING, COMPOSTING.
AND WE WILL HAVE, UM, SPEAKERS FROM MANZANITA OUTREACH, UM, GARDENS FOR HUMANITY, AS WELL AS THE SEDONA FOOD, UH, COMMUNITY FOOD BANK.
SO, UM, I'M EXCITED FOR THESE WORKSHOPS AND I HOPE THAT YOU'LL, UM, JOIN US AND, UM, JOIN US AT ONE OF THESE WORKSHOPS.
UPCOMING HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE EVENT.
UM, THIS ONE'S SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 5TH, UH, FROM 8:00 AM TO NOON.
IT'S GONNA BE AT THE WEST SUDO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PARKING LOT.
SO IT'S OUR SIXTH ANNUAL EVENT.
WE'RE PARTNERING WITH YAVAPAI COUNTY.
ONCE AGAIN, UM, CLEAN HARBORS, WEST TECH RECYCLERS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE ASSURED DOCUMENT DESTRUCTION, WHICH IS PAPER SHREDDING, AND THEN PONDEROUS MEDICAL FOR ALL MEDICAL WASTE DISPOSAL.
UM, AGAIN, AT THE WEST SEDONA SCHOOL, THEY'RE ALSO BEING, UH, VERY GENEROUS TO HAVE US, UH, HOST THE EVENT THERE.
UH, WE'LL BE ACCEPTING, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS ELECTRONICS, PESTICIDES, PAINTS, OTHER HAZARDOUS WASTE COMMONLY FOUND IN THE HOUSEHOLD LIGHT BULBS, BATTERIES.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GONNA DO PAPER DOCUMENT SHREDDING AS WELL AS MEDICAL WASTE, SO THAT'S LIQUIDS, PILLS, VITAMINS, PRESCRIPTION PILLS.
UM, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE THOSE GUYS THERE.
UH, WE JUST HAD OUR WALKTHROUGH TODAY OF THE SITE AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE PRETTY SET ON VOLUNTEERS.
UH, WE COULD USE MAYBE A COUPLE OTHERS,
SO LAST YEAR WE HAD ABOUT 375 PARTICIPANTS, WHICH WAS A PRETTY HIGH NUMBER FROM PREVIOUS YEARS.
UM, WE COLLECTED OVER, YOU KNOW, 12,000 POUNDS OF ELECTRONICS, 18,000 POUNDS OF HOUSEHOLD WASTE.
SO WE ARE EXPECTING SIMILAR PARTICIPATION, UM, AND WE'RE EXCITED FOR THIS EVENT.
SO WE HOPE PEOPLE COME UP TO IT.
WILL THEY BE GIVING AWAY THE LITTLE TREES? WE'RE NOT DOING THE TREES FOR THIS ONE, BUT
AGAIN,
I'M GONNA ASK BRIAN'S QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT IT ANSWERED OR NOT, PAINTS.
SO IS THIS A BROADER LIST OF HAZARDOUS WASTE WE'VE HAD IN SOME OF OUR RECENT EVENTS, PAINTS IS THE ONE QUESTION THAT WAS LIKE, OH, REALLY? ARE WE DOING PAINTS THIS YEAR? WE'RE DOING PAINTS, BUT IT'S JUST OIL BASED.
SO, UM, YEAH, LIKE THEY CAN ONLY TAKE THE OIL BASED VERSIONS OF THAT.
UM, WE MIGHT MAKE A LITTLE LIKE VIDEO OR SOMETHING ON WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO RESIDENTS KNOW
SO, UM, YEAH, THERE'S A FULL LIST ONLINE.
THERE'S THE LINK THERE, UM, SEDONA AZ.GOV/WASTE COLLECTION.
SO IT'S GOT THE WHOLE LIST OF THINGS.
IF YOU'RE CURIOUS AND, UH, JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ON THE, ON THE PAINTS FOR THE LATEX PAINTS, UH, THE, UM, GUIDANCE THAT WE'VE GOTTEN ON THEM IS THAT THEY CAN BE DRIED OUT WITH LIKE KITTY LITTER OR SAWDUST OR WHATNOT AND THEN DISPOSED OF YOUR, IN YOUR GENERAL WASTE.
BUT, UH, WE'LL COLLECT THE OIL WASTE.
OH, JESSICA, SO PILLS ARE NEW, RIGHT? UM, YEAH, WE DID PILLS LAST YEAR WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT I, UM-HUH? I WAS INTRODUCED TO PONDERING AND MEDICAL AND SO NOW WE CAN DO ALL TYPES OF MEDICAL WASTE.
THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT'S ONLY BEEN AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SO, YEAH, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE PILLS.
WHEN YOU SAY HAD LIQUIDS, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE LIQUIDS AND SUDDENLY LIKE TROUBLE.
LAST EVENT COMING UP OCTOBER 10TH.
THAT WAS OUR FIRST, WELL MAYBE THE SECOND TIME, BUT WE'RE DOING THIS SEDONA, ARIZONA, UH, WATER FESTIVAL.
UM, THIS IS BASICALLY SOMETHING PUT ON BY, UM, PROJECT WET ARIZONA, PROJECT WET.
SO WE'RE PARTNERING WITH, UM, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY, UM, UNDER KIND OF THE RIPPLE EFFECT CAMPAIGNING TO HOST THIS, UH, FESTIVAL, UM, FOR FOURTH AND FIFTH GRADE STUDENTS LOCALLY.
SO WE HAVE THE WEST EDON SCHOOL PARTICIPATING.
UM, WE'LL HAVE RUNNING RIVER, UM, SCHOOL.
IT'S A PRIVATE SCHOOL OR WALDORF SCHOOL, BEAVER CREEK, OVER IN RIM ROCK AND, UM, CORNFIELD'S, OAK CREEK SCHOOL WILL ACTUALLY BE THERE TOO.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA LEARN ALL ABOUT, UM, THE WATER CYCLE, GROUNDWATER WATERSHED AND SUSTAINABILITY OR WATER CONSERVATION TECHNOLOGIES.
UM, WE'RE JUST HERE TO HELP INCREASE THE WATER AWARENESS WITH OUR STUDENTS, SO WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO BE PARTNERING WITH THESE GROUPS AND, UM, JUST HELPING ENHANCE THE LOCAL CURRICULUM.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS ONE.
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SO CATHOLIC COSTELLA, SO THAT EVENT HAPPENS AT THE INDIVIDUAL SCHOOLS FOR THE STUDENTS ONLY.IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE IN? YEAH, IT'S NOT FOR THE PUBLIC, IT'S JUST FOR THE STUDENTS.
IT'S GONNA BE OVER AT, UM, POSSE GROUNDS.
WE HAVE A LOCATION, UH, WORKING WITH PARKINSON REC ON THAT, SO YEAH, IT'S PRIVATE.
UM, AND WE'RE GETTING SOME VOLUNTEERS FOR THAT.
AND THERE'S LIKE A TRAINING FOR THE VOLUNTEERS AS WELL.
AND SO THAT, UH, ALSO ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY IF COUNSEL IS INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING FOR THAT, IT'S OPEN, UH, FOR THAT AS WELL.
WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT
WITH THAT, THAT'S OUR, OUR LAST SLIDE THAT WE HAD FOR YOU.
I KNOW IT'S A LONG, LONG PRESENTATION, LONG AFTERNOON, UH, BUT I THINK WE, WE COVERED A LOT OF GROUND IN THAT TIMEFRAME, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE, THE TIME AND MEETING WITH US TODAY.
AND SO HOPEFULLY SOME OF THE, UH, PROGRAMMING, UH, THAT UPDATES AND THE LIKE, ARE EXCITING AND HOPE TO SEE YOU AT THE UPCOMING EVENTS.
BEFORE WE GO, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE ASK NOW? YEAH, I'M CURIOUS WITH THE MCKINSTRY STUFF, WHAT, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE GOT, THERE WAS A LOT TO TAKE IN.
I THINK WE PROBABLY WANNA LOOK AT THIS AGAIN, BUT ARE YOU GOING TO COME BACK TO US RICE WITH INDIVIDUAL PROPOSALS OR WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS INFORMATION NOW IN TERMS OF A NEXT STEP TOWARD GETTING TO OUR GOALS? UH, THERE'LL BE A, A PROPOSAL THAT, UH, WILL BE FOR LIKE THE DESIGN DESIGN ELEMENT, UH, FULL CONTRACT, ESTIMATED PRICING, AND LIKE THAT I'D BRING BACK TO COUNCIL HERE FOR DISCUSSION TO, UH, MOVE TO A NEXT STEP FOR THAT.
SO IT'LL BE, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE? UM, IDEALLY WE'LL BE LOOKING MAYBE, UH, LIKE MID-OCTOBER, THAT LATE OCTOBER ONE TO GET BACK IN FRONT OF YOU.
BEFORE WE GO, I WANNA OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND IT'S, ARE THERE ANY CORDS ARE WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANY NO FURTHER QUESTIONS? JESSICA? YOU DO YOU HAVE TWO? YES.
BRYCE, UM, DO YOU HA DO YOU WORK WITH THE SEDONA RECYCLING? KATHLEEN VENTURA? DO YOU WORK WITH HER? YES.
BECAUSE SHE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU.
SO YEAH, WE, WE'VE BEEN DEFINITELY, UH, IN CONTACT ON A VARIETY OF THINGS FROM COMPOSTING TO THE RECYCLING EFFORTS AND WHATNOT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO, CONTINUING TO BUILD, UH, BUILD RELATIONSHIPS THERE.
SO I, I DEFINITELY, UH, LOVE CHATTING WITH CATH KATHLEEN.
SHE'S PASSIONATE ABOUT SO MANY THINGS AND UH, I THINK IS LIKE A FORCE, UH, WITH, UH, UH, WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY.
SO YEAH, SHE TALKS REALLY FAST TOO.
YEAH, SHE'S GOT A LOT OF ENERGY.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
VICEMAN, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I, I DIDN'T HAVE A QUESTION.
IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE DOING EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND CONTINUING WITH THAT.
WONDERFUL PROGRAMS. THANK YOU.
OKAY, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[3.c. Discussion/possible action regarding ideas for future meetings/agenda items. ]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM C, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING IDEAS FOR FUTURE, UH, MEETINGS AND AGENDA ITEMS. BRIAN? THANK YOU MAYOR.UH, THE RIPPLE EFFECT, UH, LAST ITEM THERE JUST, UH, JOGGED MY MEMORY.
UH, ARIZONA WATER IS PROPOSING A VERY HEFTY RATE INCREASE AND I'M WONDERING IF COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT AND OPINE UPON A POSSIBLE, UH, STATEMENT, UH, OF SUPPORT OR NOT TO THE, UH, CORPORATION COMMISSION.
SO IS THERE INTEREST TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT? YEAH, I'D BE INTERESTED IN THAT.
AND THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN, OF COURSE, UH, WE DO HAVE THEM COMING FOR A SPECIAL WORK SESSION ON 10 24.
PARDON? 10 24 OC OCTOBER 24TH.
THEY'RE THE ONLY ITEM THAT AFTERNOON.
UM, AND COUNSELOR FURMAN LAST NIGHT HAD SUGGESTED THAT WE BROUGHT IN THAT TOPIC ABOUT WATER.
UM, IF YOU WANT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THAT WITH THEM OR IF YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT IT AS A SEPARATE BUSINESS ITEM.
UM, UM, SO IF YOU, I NEED, I JUST NEED TO KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE A REPRESENTATIVE TO COME PRESENT ON IT OR IF YOU JUST WANT TO HAVE YOUR DISCUSSION BASED ON THE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE MATERIALS THAT THEY PUT OUT ABOUT IT.
COULD I ASK WHAT IS THE DEADLINE FOR, FOR COMMENTS TO BE? I'M NOT SURE.
I'M SORRY? 10 23 IS THE DATE OF THAT MEETING.
BUT I BELIEVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT PROCESS BASED, I, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT WAS, THE DEADLINE WAS IN JANUARY, SO, SO PERHAPS A, HAVE THAT MEETING IN OCTOBER, ASK THEM TO SPEAK TO IT AND THEN WE HAVE A SUBSEQUENT AGENDA ITEM FOR US TO HAVE A, DEVELOP A POINT OF VIEW OF WHAT WE WILL OR WILL NOT WANT TO SAY.
UM, I DO HAVE, YES, IF YOU DON'T MIND,
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UM, LAST NIGHT AFTER THE MEETING, UH, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE SCHEDULE, UM, AND WHERE TO INCORPORATE THE NEXT SIM UPDATE GIVEN THE NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE ON YOUR CALENDAR.AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO GIVE IT ENOUGH TIME FOR SOME OF THE THINGS YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, UM, NOVEMBER 13TH, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, AFTER COUNSELOR ELECT FAF HAS JOINED THE COUNCIL.
UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.
ORIGINALLY THE STAFF HAD INTENDED TO BRING IT FORWARD IN OCTOBER, UM, BUT THERE ISN'T ENOUGH TIME GIVEN THE NUMBER OF AGENDA ITEMS IN OCTOBER ALREADY SCHEDULED, SO I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT BEING IN NOVEMBER.
MY QUESTION TO THAT IS THOUGH, THAT I THINK WE WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE 1 79 UNDERPASS OF WHAT THE FUTURE OF THAT WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE, AND THEN THAT THAT PUTS THAT DELAYED OFF A BIT.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, WHAT MY COLLEAGUES FEEL OR HOW YOU WANNA DEAL WITH THAT BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT IT BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE OPEN, WILL IT NOT BE OPEN? ARE WE MAKING AN OFFICIAL REQUEST? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? SO IT SEEMS SORT OF A TIMELY QUESTION.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE CONVERSATION WITH ABOUT ADOT, UM, AND THEY'RE IN THE, IN THE ABOVE GRADE CROSSING? YES.
OR AT GRADE CROSSING, I GUESS IT IS.
SO YOU WANTED TO HAVE THAT BEFORE? I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
EVEN IF IT'S SEPARATE FROM SIM OVERALL.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS ORIGINALLY THINKING WAS THAT IT SHOULD BE SEPARATE FROM SIM BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN IN DEPTH DISCUSSION.
SO IT'S OKAY TO HAVE THE SIM UPDATE IN NOVEMBER.
YOU'RE JUST ASKING THAT WE GET A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT ONE PARTICULAR ITEM ON YOUR CALENDAR.
UM, INDEPENDENT OF THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE ANDY HAS SOMETHING TO ADD.
UM, UNDER CROSSING WE'RE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO, UM, REITERATE WHAT THE CONDITIONS OF, UH, APPROVAL OF OUR ADOT PERMIT HAVE BEEN IN RELATION TO THAT PRO UH, PROJECT AS WELL AS OUR AGREEMENT WITH, UH, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
DOES THAT WELL THAT THE EXPECTATION, I, I, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS EVERYTHING THE SAME WAY ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE ACT GRADE CROSSING ONCE THE BELOW GRADE CROSSING IS OPEN FOR USE THE UNDERPASS.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, I KNOW FOR ME, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WOULD BE SEEKING TO CLOSE THE ACT GRADE AND, AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME ALTERNATE UNDERSTANDINGS OF WHERE WE ARE.
ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU HAD EXPRESSED ANDY, AND THAT'S THE CONVERSATION WE WANNA HAVE IS WHAT IS THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL REGARDING WHAT WE WANT TO ASK FOR WITH REGARDING THE GRADE.
WE'RE GOING TOO FAR INTO THIS.
MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING BEYOND THIS.
THIS IS A DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS. UM, WE CAN PURELY JUST SET IT AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE, AVAILABLE TIME IT'S BEEN REQUESTED.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE TOPIC THOUGH, HAS IT FOR DISCUSSION.
AND IT'LL BE UP TO THE, UH, AGENDA TEAM TOO WHEN TO SET IT.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE AGENDA TEAM, AGENDA TEAM TALK ABOUT THE NEXT MEETING TO SEE WHEN WE CAN GET IT ON.
IT'S, IT'S CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 22ND.
SO IT IS SEPARATE FROM THE SIM THEN THAT YOU WELL WE HAVE A PLACEHOLDER ON THERE FOR THE SIM, WHICH WE WERE THINKING WAS GOING TO BE A MUCH LONGER OKAY.
THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING AT, UH, WEDNESDAY MEETING FOR THE SIM UPDATE.
BUT BECAUSE WE'RE ANYWAY ALL TECHNICALITIES SO YOU CAN KEEP THAT AND MOVE THE REST OF SOON.
THERE IS A SPOT ON OCTOBER 22ND, SO.
THANK WE CAN USE THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? HEARING ANNETTE, ANYTHING ELSE AND NO THANK YOU.
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ADJOURNED.