* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] OKAY. UH, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. PLEASE JOIN ME [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE] FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE, IF YOU WILL. OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR JALO. PRESENT VICE MAYOR PLU. HERE. COUNCILOR DUNN. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FO. HERE. COUNCILOR FURMAN. PRESENT. COUNCILOR KINSELLA. HERE. COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON. HERE. THANK YOU. OKAY, ITEM THREE IS [3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE] CONSENT ITEMS. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE EITHER STAFF, THE COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC CAN PULL ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. STAFF HAS ALREADY INDICATED THAT THEY WANNA PULL ITEM H, SO UM, YOU WANT TO DO SEPARATE, UH, PULL, UH, AND VOTE ON A TO G OR JUST WAIT? YES. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE. OKAY. ON THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT, UH, NO, THAT, UH, COUNCIL HAS TO, WANTS TO PULL? OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR A TO J VICE MAYOR? I MOVE. WE APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS A THROUGH G. I SECOND THAT. YEAH. YEP. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A. AYE. NOW OPPOSED. OKAY. SO LET'S GO ON TO ITEM H. [3.h. AB 3118 Approval of a Resolution approving the form of the lease purchase agreement with Zions Bancorporation, N.A. and authorizing the execution and delivery thereof for the purchase of four (4) replacement Police Interceptors in the amount of $360,769.02, plus interest.] GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNSEL. UH, THIS ITEM WAS PULLED TO CAPTURE A CHANGE THAT WAS MADE TO THE LEASE AGREEMENT THE LAST, UH, YESTERDAY AFTERNOON BY THE BANK. AND IT'S A MODIFICATION TO EXHIBIT A THAT, UH, CHANGES THE PAYMENTS FROM, UH, TWO TIMES A YEAR TO ONE TIME A YEAR. UH, SUBSEQUENTLY THIS ALSO CHANGED THE, UH, AMOUNT BY A PENNY. SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS WERE AWARE OF THAT MODIFICATION. OKAY. DO YOU OTHER, ANY QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. THEN CAN I HAVE A, A MOTION FOR H, PLEASE? YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE. UH, I MOVE TO APPROVE. RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 DASH 25. YES. THANK, HOLD ON. OKAY. APPROVING, APPROVING THE FORM OF THE LEASE PURCHASE AGREEMENT WITH ZION'S BANK CORPORATION. NA AND AUTHORIZING EXECUTION AND DELIVERY THEREOF FOR THE PURCHASE OF FOUR. REPLACEMENT POLICE INTERCEPTORS IN THE AMOUNT OF $360,769 AND 2 CENTS. UM, PLUS INTEREST AS AMENDED IN EXHIBIT A. OKAY. SECOND. OKAY, SECOND BY THE VICE MAYOR. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. THERE ARE NO ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. NONE ARE OPPOSED. OKAY. UH, ITEM FOUR, WE HAVE NO APPOINTMENTS. SUMMARY OF [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS] CURRENT EVENTS, UH, BY MYSELF, THE COUNCIL OR STAFF. DO WE HAVE A KATHY? YES. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PROCLAMATION ON THIS LATER, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNEW THAT THE MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAM IS 40 YEARS OLD AT THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER, AND THEY'RE HAVING A PARTY TO CELEBRATE ITS BIRTHDAY. SO YOU'RE INVITED ON SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 28TH AT THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH IS ON MELODY LANE FROM 10:00 AM TO 2:00 PM TO CELEBRATE 40 YEARS OF SERVICE, HELPING TO FIGHT, UM, NUTRITION AND HUNGER ISSUES AND HELP AND, UH, SUPPORT HERE IN SEDONA. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. SO, UH, [6. PUBLIC FORUM] WE HAVE THE, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM. I HAVE CARDS FOR THE PUBLIC FORUM. I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVE, UH, WANT TO SHARE INFORMATION AND CONCERNS ABOUT THE PICKLEBALL COURTS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO DO THAT. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, IT IS COMING UP ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM, WHICH WILL BE OCTOBER 9TH. SO IF YOU WISH TO COME AND YOU WANNA SPEAK TODAY, THAT'S WONDERFUL, BUT IT WILL BE, AGAIN, ON THE AGENDA. IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THEM, UH, THAT DAY AS WELL. SO, UH, I HAVE FOUR CARDS, FIVE CARDS JUST FOR THE PUBLIC FORUM. SO WE WILL GO WITH, UH, BECKY, UM, KER? YES. KER. KER. OKAY. BECKY, WHERE? I'M SORRY. YES, FROM THE PODIUM. YOU STAND FROM THE PODIUM. YES. IT START WITH YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS. AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. THE TIMER IS UP HERE ON THE WALL. PAT DOWN. OKAY. BRING THE MIC DOWN EVEN FURTHER. [00:05:01] YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? I CAN HEAR YOU JUST FINE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS BECKY HOFER. MY SISTER AND I ARE HOMEOWNERS ON WIND MIRROR COURT IN THE CHAPEL AREA. WE HAVE A NEW NEIGHBOR WHO WANTS TO BUILD A PICKLEBALL COURT NEAR OUR BACK EASEMENT LINE. HE PLANS TO MARKET THIS PROPERTY TO PICKLEBALL ENTHUSIASTS. SO THIS COURT WILL LIKELY GET USED A LOT. WE THINK THAT PICKLEBALL NOISE IN RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES IS A REALLY BIG DEAL. IT'S LOUD, IT'S ALMOST 110 DECIBELS AT THE PADDLE, AND IT'S ALSO THOSE NOISE LEVELS OF 110 DECIBELS IS MUCH HIGHER, LIKE 50 DECIBELS HIGHER THAN WHAT THE CITY ALLOWS IN OUR NOISE ORDINANCE. SO WE SEE THIS AS BECOMING A PROBLEM. NOT ONLY IS PICKLEBALL LOUD, BUT IT'S ESPECIALLY HARMFUL BECAUSE OF THE HIGH PITCH IN FREQUENCY. IT'S CHARACTERIZED AS IMPULSIVE NOISE. AND THIS IS PARTICULARLY HARMFUL NOT JUST TO PEOPLE, BUT TO PETS AND WILDLIFE TOO. SO, WE'RE CONCERNED, WE THINK THAT PICKLEBALL NOISE BECOMES AN EVEN BIGGER ISSUE WHEN THE COURTS ARE LOCATED AT RESIDENTIAL ADDRESSES. TODAY, THERE'S NO LIMITATION ON THE LAND USE CODE FOR PICKLEBALL COURTS. IN FACT, TODAY, ANYONE COULD PUT A PICKLEBALL COURT IN THEIR DRIVEWAY ANYWHERE IN SEDONA IF THEY WANTED TO. OUR ASK IS FOR THE CITY LEADERSHIP TO CONSIDER SOME RESTRICTIONS. NUMBER ONE, WE THINK YOU NEED SETBACK LIMITS TO CONTROL WHERE PRIVATE PICKLEBALL COURTS CAN BE BUILT. IN MY CASE, OUR NEIGHBOR IS BUILDING THE PICKLEBALL COURT FAR AWAY FROM HIS HOUSE, BUT RIGHT NEXT TO OURS, THE CITY SHOULD REQUIRE A PERMIT WITH DETAILED PLANS FOR A PICKLEBALL COURT. THIRD, A SOUND ASSESSMENT SHOULD BE MANDATORY BEFORE CONSTRUCTION CAN BEGIN ON A PICKLEBALL COURT, OR REALLY ANY LOUD, UM, IMPULSIVE NOISE PRODUCING COURT. UM, WE THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A DRAINAGE REVIEW BY THE CITY AS PART OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS. LIKE WITH ASPHALT, THAT WATER'S GOTTA GO SOMEWHERE AND IT'S GONNA BE CASCADING DOWN ONTO PROPERTIES NEARBY. THE CITY SHOULD ALSO TALK ABOUT DESIGN SPECS. I MEAN, I, I CAN SPEAK, I DON'T WANNA SEE AN 11 FOOT TALL CHAIN LINK FENCE BETWEEN MY BACKYARD AND OUR BEAUTIFUL RED ROCK VIEWS OF CATHEDRAL. AND LASTLY, PLEASE DON'T LEAVE THIS GOVERNANCE UP TO THE HOAS BECAUSE MANY COMMUNITIES DON'T HAVE HOAS, SO THEY'RE NOT PROTECTED. WE THINK THAT BY ADOPTING RESTRICTIONS ON PICKLEBALL LOCATIONS AND REQUIRING PLANS AND PERMITS, FUTURE DISPUTES BETWEEN NEIGHBORS WILL PROACTIVELY BE AVOIDED. WE'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND THIS TOPIC. IN FACT, OUR COMMUNITY STARTED A PETITION AND I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT A COPY OF THE PETITION WITH 350 SIGNATURES THAT WE'VE COLLECTED SO FAR THIS MONTH. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, AND I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS. OKAY, YOU WANT TO TURN THE PETITION OVER TO THE, UH, CITY CLERK? OKAY, THANK YOU. NOW, UH, POSSIBLY YOUR RELATION IS SAMANTHA HOFFER HERE? I MEAN, IS THAT YES, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU CON PLEASE? I KNOW IT'S ASSISTANT. OKAY. SAME THING. SAMANTHA, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. MY NAME IS SAMANTHA HOFFER AND I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA. I WANNA THANK YOU ALSO FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE OUR CONCERNS ABOUT UNREGULATED PICKLEBALL COURTS IN OUR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES. WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT TO PROHIBIT PICKLEBALL AND OTHER IMPULSIVE NOISE SPORTS COURTS AT OUR SERENE SEDONA HOMES. WE WANNA KEEP 'EM THAT WAY. PICKLEBALL PLAY CREATES HIGHLY IMPULSIVE NOISE BETWEEN 1,002 THOUSAND HERTZ. WHY DO YOU THINK SOME PICKLEBALL PLAYERS WEAR EAR PROTECTION? THINK ABOUT THAT. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE IMPACT OF PICKLEBALL NOISE ON HUMAN HEALTH. RESEARCHERS HAVE SHOWN THAT NOISE CAN BE A PSYCHOSOCIAL STRESSOR, LOUDER AND HIGHER PITCH SOUNDS. PLACES IN A HIGHER STATE OF ALERT, OUR BODY IMMEDIATELY GOES INTO FIGHT OR FLIGHT. I WONDER WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE WHEN I'M SITTING IN MY BACKYARD. HM. PRAY. TELL. WHAT DOES IT SOUND LIKE? WE SHALL FIND OUT. . OKAY. SO THIS IS A SINGLE MATCH. IMAGINE IT HAVING MORE PLAYERS ON THE COURT. TAKE A MOMENT NOW FOR ALL OF US TO REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT IS THE VALUE OF QUIETNESS. WE JUST LISTENED TO A PICKLEBALL COURT. [00:10:01] HOW DOES YOUR BODY FEEL? THIS TAPE HAS NOW ENGAGED YOUR SYMPATHETIC NERVOUS SYSTEM. IF IT HAPPENS TOO FREQUENTLY, INTENSELY, OR INAPPROPRIATELY, IT CAN CONTRIBUTE TO A RANGE OF ISSUES INCLUDING DEPRESSION AND HELPLESSNESS. A STUDY COVERED BY THE JOURNAL OF ENVIRONMENTAL PSYCHOLOGY FOUND THAT IMPULSIVE SOUNDS PICKLEBALL POPS ANNOY PEOPLE. THEY CANNOT WORK, FOCUS, SLEEP, RELAX. THEY KEEP GETTING INTERRUPTED BY THE IMPULSIVE ECHOES OF THE SOUND. CHRONIC EXPOSURE TO IMPULSIVE NOISE LEADS TO STRESS, FATIGUE, ANXIETY, AND DISEASE IN HUMANS, PETS AND WILDLIFE. SLEEP DISTURBANCES ACTIVATED BY THE CHRONIC ACTIVATION OF THE SYMPATHETIC AND NERVOUS SYSTEM, LEADS TO A DISRUPTION OF THE NORMAL STAGES OF SLEEP, LOSS OF CONCENTRATION, DAYTIME TIREDNESS, MORNING CONFUSION, IRRITABILITY, ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION. ENVIRONMENTAL NOISE POLLUTION ALSO HAS IMPLICATIONS OF DISTURBED METABOLISM INTERFERING WITH YOUR BODY'S ABILITY TO REGULATE ITSELF IN THE LONG TERM. FUNCTIONAL CHANGES IN DYSREGULATION MAY OCCUR. THIS INCREASES THE RISK OF MANIFEST DISEASE. THIS IS FROM THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION, NO NOISE GUIDELINES. WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT TO PROHIBIT PICKLEBALL AND OTHER IMPULSIVE NOISE COURTS IN OUR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES. WE CAN BE PROACTIVE AND LEARN FROM OTHER CITIES LIKE DENVER AND THEIR L THREE RESIDENTS. OKAY, WE HAVE TO CUT YOU OFF. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. UH, ALLEN ENGELSTEIN. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR JALA AND DISTINGUISHED, UH, COUNSEL. MY NAME'S ELLEN ENGELSTEIN. I LIVE AT 2 0 9 WIND MERE COURT AND I AM A FULL-TIME RESIDENT HERE IN SEDONA. I, WE MOVED HERE APPROXIMATELY NINE YEARS AGO AFTER ENJOYING MORE THAN 20 YEARS OF TIME VACATIONING HERE. MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE WORKED LONG AND HARD AND SAVED FOR OUR DREAM OF RETIREMENT, WHICH LED US HERE TO SEDONA FROM NEW JERSEY. WHAT WE ENVISIONED IS ALL SEDONA HAS TO OFFER UNPARALLELED BEAUTY OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, A MODERATE CLIMATE, PEACEFULNESS, CALM, TRANQUILITY, AND QUIET QUALITY OF LIFE WITH LESS STRESS. OUR TYPICAL DAY NOW STARTS WITH A STEAMING CUP OF COFFEE, SITTING OUT BACK WATCHING ALL THE WILDLIFE THAT COMES WALKING BY, OR THE VARIETY OF BIRDS AT THE FEEDERS. MY HUSBAND FILLS NUMEROUS TIMES A WEEK. WE COUNT THE BABY QUAIL AND WATCH THE RABBITS HAVE ALINA COYOTES, DEER, FOX, BOBCATS, AND YES, EVEN OUR RESIDENT MOUNTAIN LION. THESE ANIMALS HAVE TRODDEN THE SAME WORN TRAILS FOR YEARS NOW WITH THE DISTURBANCE IN THEIR PATHS. DUE TO THE RECENT CONSTRUCTION OF THE PICKLEBALL COURT, THEY SEEM TENUOUS, NERVOUS, AND FRANKLY CONFUSED. IN MY OPINION, THE NUMBER OF APPEARANCES HAVE EVEN DIS DI DIMINISHED. I, AS A SEDONA RESIDENT, ENJOY MY PETS AS MANY OTHER RESIDENTS DO. I HAVE TWO WONDERFUL LABRADOR RETRIEVERS AND TWO CATS. MY DOGS ENJOY THE TIME THEY SPEND IN OUR BACKYARD. MY CHOCOLATE LAB LOVES HER KITTY POOL IN THE SUMMER, AND MY BLACK LAB LOVES SNIFFING FOR BUGS, GECKOS AND, AND CRICKETS. WE ALL KNOW THAT DOGS HEARING IS FAR SUPERIOR TO HUMANS. HEREIN LIES MY DISTRESS KNOWING THAT THE FREQUENCY OF PICKLEBALL AT THE PADDLE CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM A HUNDRED TO 130 DECIBELS. BUT A SAFE RANGE FOR DOGS HEARING IS 45 TO 50 DECIBELS FAR BELOW WHAT THEY WILL EXPERIENCE WITH OUR HOME'S. PROXIMITY OF LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM THIS COURT. STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT DOGS WILL EXPERIENCE HEARING DAMAGE AT 85 DECIBELS. SOME SIGNS THEY EXHIBIT INCLUDE PANTING, SWEATING, WEIGHT LOSS, ANXIETY, AND I HOPE THAT THIS DOES NOT CUT THEIR LIFE SHORT DURING DUE TO THE CHANGE IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT. I SINCERELY HOPE YOU HEAR OUR MESSAGE AND TAKE ACTION THAT NO PICKLEBALL IS BUILT IN A RESIDENTIAL SETTING. THANK YOU, LAN. OKAY, I APPRECIATE IT. JAMES. BLAIR, [00:15:01] JIM NAME AND CITY. JIM BLA, RESIDENT OF SEDONA. MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU, UH, ABOUT THIS SUBJECT OF PICKLE PICK UP, CLEAN THE MIC UP CLOSER TO YOU. I'LL DO THAT BETTER. UH, SEDONA RESIDENTS HAVE REPEATEDLY TALKED ABOUT WANTING TO KEEP OUR SENSE OF COMMUNITY. THIS IS REFLECTED THROUGHOUT THE RECENTLY UPDATED SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN. UH, THE INSTALLATION OF PICKLEBALL COURTS IS, UH, IN QUIET NEIGHBORHOODS, WOULD DESTROY THE SPIRIT AND COULD LEAD VERY WELL TO A LITIGATION, UH, SLUG FEST. THERE ARE LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF LAWSUITS ACROSS THE COUNTRY REGARDING PICKLEBALL NOISE. YOUR CITY, YOU AND THE CITY MANAGEMENT NEED TO ADDRESS THE THREAT OF PICKLEBALL NOISE. NOW, BEFORE IT HAPPENS TO SEDONA. OTHER CITIES HAVE HIRED ACOUSTIC ENGINEERS TO PERFORM A SOUND STUDY, UH, FOR BEST PLACEMENT OF PICKLEBALL COURTS BEFORE CONSTRUCTIONS, UH, EVEN STARTS. THEIR STUDIES SUGGESTS THAT PICKLEBALL COURTS BE PLACED SIX TO 900 FEET AWAY FROM PROPERTY LINES DEPENDING ON THE STUDY AND THE SURROUNDING TOPOLOGY. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE, UH, DONE THE SAME ANALYSIS FOR INSTALLING THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AT POSSE GROUNDS. AND IT IS WHY YOU MOVE THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE, UH, COURTS FARTHER INSIDE THE POSSE GROUND AREA. THE SAME STANDARDS SHOULD APPLY FOR RE TO RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN OUR CITY. THE PICKLEBALL COURT BEING DEVELOPED IN SKY MOUNT RANCH IS APPROXIMATELY 10 FEET FROM BECKY AND SAMANTHA HOFFER'S PROPERTY LINE. AND THERE ARE MANY OTHER HOUSES THAT, AND A CHURCH WITHIN 900 FEET, UH, OF THE PROPOSED LOCATION. IT IS DEFINITELY A NOISE PROBLEM. INSTALLING A PICKLEBALL COURT IS NOT, UH, BENIGN PROPERTY USAGE. UH, THE IN A, IT AFFECTS EVERYONE NEARBY AND IT NEEDS TO BE REGULATED. SOME HAVE SUGGESTED THIS IS AN HOA ISSUE. I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF THE SKY MOUNTAIN RANCH, UH, UH, HOA, IGNORING OUR COMMUNITY. CCNRS, THE INVESTOR WHO PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, UH, DID NOT SUBMIT PLANS FOR OUR TO THE ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE. AND, UH, QUITE FRANKLY, UM, FOR REVIEW. AND QUITE FRANKLY, AS A SMALL HOA, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN TAKE, UH, AHEAD TO ACTUALLY TRY TO GET AN ACTION TAKEN AGAINST HIM IN ADVANCE. THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE WITH REGARD TO PROPERTIES, UH, DESTINED FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL USE. UH, HAVING THE FINANCIAL BACKING OF LARGE SDR COMPANIES. BY THE WAY, MANY HOUSEHOLDS IN SEDONA DO ARE NOT REPRESENTED BY AN HOA. THEY DEPEND SOLELY ON THE CITY FOR PROTECTION. ONE LAST POINT, UH, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA HAS EXPANDED MUCH EFFORT TO TAXPAYER DOLLARS, UH, TO BUILD A BEAUTIFUL, WELL ENGINEERED COLLECTION OF, UH, PICKLEBALL COURTS. IT'S A, IN A VERY HUGE SHAME THAT THEY WOULD END UP ALLOWING THE PROLIFERATION OF PICKLEBALL COURTS, UH, THAT DIMINISHES THEIR VALUE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. UH, BOB PIKE, NAME AND YOU, YOU GET IT. BOB PIKE. UH, SEDONA RESIDENT, UM, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, WE'VE GOT OVER 1200 SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE CITY. UM, WHAT HAPPENS IF THOSE IN, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL OWNERS DISCOVER THAT HAVING A PICKLEBALL COURT INCREASES THEIR REVENUE AND, UH, INCREASES THE FREQUENCY OF THEIR RENTALS? SO THAT MAY SOUND A LITTLE OVERDRAMATIC, BUT PROFIT INCENTIVE IS VERY LARGE AMONG INVESTORS IN SHORT TERM RENTALS, AS WE ALL KNOW. NOW, WHAT IF ONLY 10% DECIDE TO PUT IN A PICKLEBALL COURT? WELL, THAT WOULD STILL AFFECT, UH, WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET. THAT COULD AFFECT 500 TO A THOUSAND RESIDENTIAL HOMES IN THE CITY. A HUGE PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION. NOW, THE SOUND OF PICKLEBALL, AS YOU HEARD, IS WORSE BECAUSE IT'S PERCUSSIVE OR IMPULSIVE, POW, POW, POW. AND THAT CARRIES A LONG DISTANCE. THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAT BASKETBALL OR TENNIS. UH, TENNIS HAS ABOUT 400, UH, SWATS PER HOUR, WHEREAS PICKLEBALL HAS OVER 1,900 TO A THOUSAND. SO PICKLEBALL IS A UNIQUE SPORT THAT NEEDS REGULATION. NOW, THE CITY DOES HAVE SOUND ORDINANCES, YOU KNOW, 60 DECIBELS BY DAY, 50 BY NIGHT. UH, LET'S PLAY OUT THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANICS. OKAY, SO I'M A NEIGHBOR. I HEAR THE PICKLE BALL, IT'S ANNOYING. I CALL WHO COMES OUT? IS IT A POLICE OFFICER? DOES THAT POLICE OFFICER HAVE A DECIBEL METER THAT'S PERMISSIBLE IN COURT? UH, AND [00:20:01] THEN, UH, HE HAS TO WAIT, WHAT, FIVE TO 15 MINUTES FOR THE SOUND TO PERSIST, WHATEVER THE CURRENT LAW IS. UH, AND THEN THEY STOP PLAYING. THE POLICE OFFICER GOES AWAY, PLAY RESUMES AND WE'RE GONNA DO LOOP. AND THIS COULD GO ON FOR DAYS. UM, NOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE VALUE OF YOUR RESIDENCES IF WE ALLOW PICKLEBALL COURTS TO PROLIFERATE, UH, ONE REAL ESTATE, UH, PROFESSIONAL ESTIMATES THAT DEPENDING ON HOW CLOSE YOU ARE, YOU COULD LOSE UP TO 20% OF THE VALUE OF YOUR HOUSE. ARE YOU ALL WILLING TO TAKE THAT RISK? WHAT IF IT'S ONLY 10% YOU WILLING TO RISK A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BECAUSE SOMEBODY BUILT A PICKLEBALL CART NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO REGULATE. WE NEED TO SET UP GUIDELINES AND 360 PLUS PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED THE PETITION TO AGREE WITH THAT POINT OF VIEW. THANKS FOR YOUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU, BOB. ANY OTHER, UH, CARDS? MADAM CLERK? THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE CAN'T ADDRESS YOUR, UH, COMMENTS TODAY NOW, BUT THEY WILL BE ADDRESSED AT THE OCTOBER 9TH, UH, WORK SESSION. SO STAY TUNED AND KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THE AGENDAS. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE, UH, THE PUBLIC FORUM. WELL, BEFORE I DO, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE WISH TO MAKE ON THIS OR ANY OTHER, UH, PUBLIC FORUM THAT, UH, FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TODAY? OKAY, YOU SEEING NONE? I'LL NOW CLOSE OUT THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. SO GO TO ITEM SEVEN, PROCLAMATIONS, [7. PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS & AWARDS] RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS. WE HAVE A REALLY COOL PROCLAMATION TODAY FOR MEALS ON WHEELS IN THE 40TH ANNIVERSARY. COUNCILOR CANTILLA MENTIONED THAT EARLIER. SO I'M GOING TO READ THIS, UH, PROCLAMATION. WE HAVE MARJORIE HARRIS, WHO'S THE, UH, DIRECTOR OF THE ORGANIZATION, UH, WILL RECEIVE IT. SO, UH, PROCLAMATION FOR SEDONA MEALS ON WHEELS 40TH ANNIVERSARY SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2024. WHEREAS THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER IS CELEBRATING ITS 40TH YEAR OF PROVIDING CRITICAL MEAL SERVICES TO RESIDENTS OF SEDONA IN THE GREATER SEDONA AREA. AND WHEREAS, WHEREAS THE SEDONA, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER MISSION IS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF THE SENIORS, UH, IN THE GREATER SEDONA AREA. AND WHEREAS THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER IS A NON-PROFIT 5 0 1 C3 WITH OVER 85 DEDICATED AND CARING VOLUNTEERS WHO HELP PROVIDE MEAL PROGRAMS, SOCIAL AND PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES TO OUR COMMUNITY SENIORS. AND WHEREAS THE CENTER IS THE ONLY PROVIDER OF HOME DELIVERED HOT, NUTRITIOUS HOMESTYLE MEALS IN THE GREATER SEDONA AND THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK AREAS THROUGH ITS MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAM. AND WHEREAS, UH, THEY ASSIST THOSE WHO ARE ABLE TO SHOP AND OR COOK FOR THEMSELVES. AND WHEREAS MEALS ON WHEELS STARTED IN THE SEDONA AREA IN 1984 WHEN MARGARET FLYNN STARTED A, A MUCH NEEDED MEAL DELIVERY SERVICE FROM HER HOME, WHICH GREW INTO THE PROGRAM'S MEAL ON WHEEL PROGRAM THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER AND IS STILL SERVING OUR AREA TODAY, 40 YEARS LATER, THAT'S QUITE AN ACCOMPLISHMENT. WHEREAS IN ADDITION TO ITS MEALS ON WHEELS, UH, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, HOME DELIVERIES, FOOD IS ALSO DELIVERED WEEKLY TO THE BREAKFAST WEEKEND CLUB, UH, RECIPIENTS. WHEREAS SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER ALSO OFFERS PET SERVICES TO MEALS ON WHEELS CLIENTS HELPING TO KEEP SENIORS AND THEIR COMPANION ANIMALS TOGETHER BY HELPING WITH, UH, QUALITY PET FOOD, GROOMING AND ASSISTANCE OBTAINING VETERINARY CARE. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT. AND WHEREAS THE CENTER ALSO OFFERS AFFORDABLE COMMUNITY LUNCHES MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY IN A FRIENDLY ATMOSPHERE WHERE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO MAKE NEW FRIENDS. AND I'VE BEEN PART OF THAT MANY, MANY TIMES, IT'S QUITE FUN. UM, WHEREAS, UH, THE CENTER OFFERS IMPORTANT PROGRAMS LIKE GRIEF SUPPORT, FITNESS CLASSES AND ART CLASSES. AND WHEREAS THE CENTER IS AN IMPORTANT HUB, UH, OF COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES THROUGH ITS PROGRAMS AND THROUGH ITS SPACES AVAILABLE TO OTHER COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS. NOW, THEREFORE, I SCOTT BLO, THE MAYOR OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, HEREBY RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANT WORK AND PROGRAMS OFFERED BY THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER AND EXPRESS ITS GRATITUDE FOR 40 YEARS OF MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAMS, UH, AT THE NER COMMUNITY CENTER. AND ITS RELATED PROGRAMS THAT EACH, UH, PROVIDE CRITICAL SUPPORT, UH, TO OUR SENIOR COMMUNITY AND HEREBY OFFER CONGRATULATIONS. AN EXTREME GRATITUDE TO 40 YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY, ISSUED THIS 24TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2024. MARJORIE, WON'T [00:25:01] YOU STEP UP. AND I WANNA ALSO ADD THAT IF ANYBODY HAS SPARE TIME AND WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THAT, THAT TIME TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO HELP WITH MEALS ON WHEELS, THEY COULD REALLY USE THE HELP. AND IT'S VERY, VERY REWARDING TO, UH, SIT DOWN WITH SOME OF THE RECIPIENTS AND HEAR THEIR STORIES. AND IT'D BE PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE THAT THEY MAY SEE FOR A WEEK. SO I'M GONNA HAND THIS TO YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YOU WANT ME TO SEE A LITTLE REAL QUICK? THANK YOU. UM, I WON'T TAKE A LONG TIME. I KNOW YOU GOT A FULL AGENDA AND MOST OF WHAT I WOULD PROBABLY SAY IS IN THIS WONDERFUL PROCLAMATION. UM, I WANT YOU TO KNOW I AM A PROUD RESIDENT OF SEDONA, SO I CAN GO ON RECORD FOR THAT. AND I'M VERY HAPPY THAT I AM ABLE TO LIVE HERE. UM, WHEN THIS POSITION CAME AVAILABLE, I KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE AVAILABLE STARTING IN 2020. THEY DIDN'T FILL IT UNTIL 2022, BUT I IMMEDIATELY STARTED CAMPAIGNING FOR THE POSITION IN 2020. SO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS HEARD FROM ME FREQUENTLY, OFTEN, AND FINALLY GAVE IN . UH, I HAVE ONE ENDURING PASSION IN MY LIFE. AND THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW ME KNOW THIS IS TRUE. MY PASSION IS THE SENIORS. THE SENIORS NEED US EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. AND ONE OF THE REASONS I LOVE SEDONA IS BECAUSE THE CITY OF SEDONA RECOGNIZES THAT NEED AND SUPPORTS OUR SENIORS IN WAYS THAT ARE JUST TERRIFIC. UH, OUR CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP. UM, THE ONGOING SUPPORT OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY MEMBERS OF THE CITY GOVERNMENT, THE EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY, I CAN'T BE HAPPIER. AND MY FELLOW EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS WHO DO MY KIND OF WORK ARE EXTREMELY JEALOUS. UH, AND I RUB IT IN AS MUCH AS I CAN. , UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALWAYS THERE TO GIVE THEM, YOU KNOW, THAT HELLO. SOMETIMES WE'RE THE ONLY PEOPLE THEY SEE ALL DAY, KIND OF TRAGIC TO REALIZE. UH, WE DO ABOUT A HUNDRED MEALS A DAY IF YOU INCLUDE OUR, UH, IN-HOUSE OR CONGREGATE MEALS. SO THERE'S A HUNDRED OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE SOCIAL CONTACT, WHICH THEY MIGHT NORMALLY NOT HAVE, UH, IN A WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO SENIORS BECAUSE SOME, FORTUNATELY THERE'S FREQUENTLY A, AN ATTITUDE TOWARD OLDER FOLKS. AND WE HAVE REALLY OLDER FOLKS. WE HAVE A SENIOR WHO COMES TO LUNCH AND SHE ACTUALLY EXERCISES IN ONE OF OUR CLASSES. SHE'S 99, UH, AND I THINK SOME DAYS SHE HAS MORE ENERGY THAN I DO. UM, BUT I WANNA TELL YOU REALLY A STORY THAT'S KIND OF SPECIAL TODAY. WE HAD A VERY SPECIAL EVENT IN OUR LIVES. UH, WE HAD A SENIOR WHO'S BEEN FOR US A LONG, A LONG TIME, AND TODAY WAS HER 100TH BIRTHDAY. YES. AND SHE'S STILL FUNCTIONAL, SHE'S ALERT AND SHE'S ENJOYING EVERY DAY. SO WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO IS WE GOT HER A SPECIAL BIRTHDAY CARD. WE MADE HER A BIRTHDAY CAKE, AND WE ORDERED FROM ONE OF OUR LOCAL FLORISTS, A BEAUTIFUL FLOWER ARRANGEMENT. AND ONE OF OUR VOLUNTEERS WHO SERVES THAT AREA NORMALLY BEGGED TO BE THE PERSON WHO DELIVERED IT, AND HE WAS ABLE TO GO AND DELIVER IT, AND SHE GAVE HIM A BIG HUG AND HER DAY LIT UP BECAUSE WE WERE THERE AND WE WERE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE HER 100TH BIRTHDAY. SO THAT'S KIND OF SOMETHING THAT WE GET TO DO FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT EVERY DAY IS SPECIAL WITH ALL OF OUR SENIORS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND AS THE MAYOR SAID, WE ALWAYS NEED VOLUNTEERS. UH, AND EVEN IF YOU CAN'T VOLUNTEER, WE ARE HERE FOR YOU. ANYBODY CAN COME TO LUNCH. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE 60 PLUS. WE DO HAVE YOUNGER PEOPLE SHOW UP, AND ACTUALLY THE SENIORS KIND OF ENJOY INTERACTING WITH YOUNGER FOLKS AS WELL. UH, SO JUST GIVE US A CALL, MAKE ARRANGEMENTS, AND WE'LL BE HAPPY. AND THE FOOD IS MOST EXCELLENT, NOT SO, AMIR. YES, IT IS VERY, VERY GOOD. I ENJOY, IT'S VERY GOOD. I IT, WE CALL IT THE BEST KEPT SECRET IN SEDONA. TRUE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I TRULY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MARJORIE, FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY. UH, OKAY, ITEM EIGHT, REGULAR BUSINESS COUNSEL. I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE IN THE ORDER. UH, TODAY WE'RE [8.c. AB 3071 Discussion/possible direction on Land Use Assumptions (LUA), Infrastructure Improvement Plan (IIP), and Development Fees.] GOING TO MOVE C UP TO A, UH, BECAUSE THE, UH, UH, REPRESENTATIVE IS ON THE EAST COAST TIME ZONE AND HAS, UH, HAS A, UH, PROBLEM WITH TIME. SO WE WILL TAKE, UH, UH, AB 30 71 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION ON LAND [00:30:01] USE ASSUMPTIONS, LUA INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UH, AND DEVELOPMENT FEES. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE, UH, YES, MAYOR, UM, I CAN INTRODUCE THE ITEM. THANK YOU. WHILE WE GET MR. GRIFFIN UP ON THE ZOOM. UM, THANK YOU AGAIN TO THE COUNCIL FOR, UH, LETTING HIM PRESENT, UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. UM, I'M ANNETTE ICKER, CITY MANAGER, UM, INTRODUCING THIS ITEM. AS YOU KNOW, UH, THE CITY OF SEDONA HAS A DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE PER STATE LAW. UM, AND EVERY FIVE YEARS YOU HAVE TO REVIEW THOSE FEES AND REESTABLISH THEM. UM, WE STARTED THE PROCESS EARLIER THIS YEAR TO DO THAT SINCE THE LAST TIME THEY WERE UPDATED WAS IN 2019. UM, BEN GRIFFIN WITH TISHLER BUYS IS THE CONSULTANT THAT PREPARED THESE TWO DOCUMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED UNDER THE STATE LAW TO BE PREPARED. UM, HE PRESENTED THOSE TO YOU DURING THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, UM, THAT WAS ON AUGUST 13TH. AND PER YOUR DISCUSSION THAT NIGHT, YOU ASKED HIM TO COME BACK WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. HE'LL PRESENT THAT TONIGHT. UM, THERE'S NO ACTION BY YOU NECESSARY TONIGHT, OTHER THAN ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK. WE ARE SCHEDULED TO COME BACK TO YOU ON OCTOBER 8TH FOR THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON THE DOCUMENTS AND POSSIBLE ADOPTION OF THEM, SO WE CAN MOVE INTO THE NEXT FA PHASE OF, UM, THE FEE SETTING RELATED TO THIS. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO BEN AND LET HIM GO OVER THE UPDATED INFORMATION AND ANY OTHER BACKGROUND HE WANTS TO SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT. ALRIGHT, THANKS ANNETTE. UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, THANKS FOR BEING, UH, SO FLEXIBLE WITH THE TIMING. UM, I, I WASN'T ABLE TO GET OUT THERE FOR THIS MEETING, BUT AS ANNETTE SAID, YOU KNOW, DURING THAT LAST MEETING, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I PRESENTED THE MAXIMUM ALLOW ALLOWABLE FEES, AND, UH, BASICALLY THE FEEDBACK I GOT WAS, HEY, WE, WE'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES LOOK LIKE, UH, IN COMPARISON. UH, SO TONIGHT, I, I'VE UPDATED THE PRESENTATION THAT I SHOWED YOU LAST TIME. UM, AND SO WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, GO TO SLIDE SEVEN IF POSSIBLE. JUST ONE SECOND. BEN, BEAR WITH ME, . OKAY, THANKS. YES. UH, SO THIS SHOWS THE REVISED TIMELINE. UH, SO BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING IN, UH, THIS ADDITIONAL MEETING, IT DID, UH, IT DID DELAY SOME OF THE DATES. UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA USE SOME, UH, SOME UPDATES. UH, AND THE IDEA IS THAT, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER 8TH, IF YOU DECIDE YOU COULD ADOPT, UH, THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THE METHODOLOGIES AND THE, YOU KNOW, LEVELS OF SERVICE, UH, IN THE REPORT, UM, THEN, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER 9TH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D ADVERTISE AND, YOU KNOW, IN NOVEMBER, UM, AT THE, THOSE MEETINGS YOU COULD DECIDE TO A ADOPT, YOU KNOW, A PORTION OF THE FEES YOU COULD DECIDE TO PHASE IN THOSE FEES. UM, BUT REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, YOU KNOW, BY OCTOBER 8TH, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE 60 DAY WINDOW FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR FIRST MEETING, UM, IS TO, YOU KNOW, GET THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS PLAN ADOPTED. UH, AGAIN, IN, IN NOVEMBER WHEN WE COME BACK FOR THE DEVELOPMENT FEE, UM, HEARINGS, WE CAN DECIDE TO, UH, ADOPT A PORTION OR A LESSER FEE. SO ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE ACTUAL, UH, FEE COMPARISONS? WE ARE SEEING NONE FROM THE DAYS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO IF WE GO TO, UH, SLIDE 27, UM, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE PROPOSED VERSUS CURRENT FEES QUICKLY, UM, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO THE ACTUAL COMPARISONS. WHAT PACKET PAGE IS THAT, PLEASE? YEAH. 27 2 85. 2 85 2. THANK YOU. YEAH, SO THE, THE LEFT SIDE, THOSE ARE PROPOSED FEES, UH, RIGHT SIDE TO CURRENT FEES. UM, AND SO YOU, AS I SAID THE LAST TIME, THIS IS A, A TREND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, EMERGING THROUGH MANY COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. [00:35:01] UH, YOU KNOW, WITH CONSTRUCTION COSTS INCREASING WITH, YOU KNOW, VEHICLE ACQUISITION COSTS INCREASING, UH, IF YOU JUST MAINTAIN YOUR LEVEL OF SERVICE, YOUR FEES WILL GO UP DUE TO THE, THOSE COST INCREASES. UH, SO NOW IF WE LOOK AT, UH, SLIDE 28, THIS IS A COMPARISON TO, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, COMMUNITIES IN YOUR AREA. SO THIS WOULD BE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT, UM, THAT THE GRAY SHADED, UH, ROSES, THOSE ARE SEDONA. UM, WE SHOW THE CURRENT VERSUS THE PROPOSED. UM, MOST OF YOUR NEIGHBORS ASSESS FEES PER UNIT OR PER BEDROOM. UM, SO WE'RE SHOWING, YOU KNOW, A A FEW OPTIONS IN SEDONA TO TRY AND ALIGN WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE SHOWING. UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU, YOU WERE PREVIOUSLY, OR YOU, YOU WERE CURRENTLY AT THE TOP IN THE COMPARISON, UM, AND YOU WOULD STAY AT THE TOP UNDER THIS. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE REASONS FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORS, UM, DON'T ASSESS CERTAIN TYPES OF FEES. UH, AND YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE THAT THEY HAVE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES. IT COULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY TAKE CARE OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, STREET FEES OR YOUR STREET CONSTRUCTION IN A DIFFERENT WAY. UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORS DON'T ASSESS FEES FOR PARKS, SO THEY COULD HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, A PARK LANE DEDICATION ORDINANCE, UM, OR SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, OTHER FEE IN LIEU. UH, SO IT, IT IS HARDER TO HAVE, HAVE THIS SORT OF COMPARISON, UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE EXACT SAME COMPONENTS AS, AS YOUR NEIGHBORS. UM, BUT THIS DOES SHOW THAT THE COMPARISON TO, YOU KNOW, THE SINGLE FAMILY FEED TO YOUR NEIGHBORS. HOLD, HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND. WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM THE DEIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, BEN, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THESE ADDITIONAL PAGES TOGETHER AND UNDERSTANDING THAT DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES GO ABOUT PREPARING FOR THESE FUTURE EXPENSES, THAT THEY DO THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. THAT'S GOOD AND WELL, BUT I THINK WE STILL NEED AS CLOSE TO AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON WHEN THE DAY IS DONE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REALLY FALLS TO YOU AS OPPOSED TO IF THAT'S ADDITIONAL WORK FOR STAFF TO GET TO THAT POINT, BUT I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS COMPARISON, AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY, IT'S FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, OBVIOUSLY. I DON'T THINK IT PROVIDES US THAT COMPARISON TO GET A SENSE OF BENCHMARKING OF WHETHER WE ARE INORDINATELY HIGH, RIGHT, ON THE MONEY, ET CETERA. AND, AND RECOGNIZING AGAIN, IT IS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE IF IT'S JUST BUILT INTO A TAX RATE THAT ALL TAXPAYERS PAY, WELL THEN THAT'S DIFFERENT. BUT SOMEHOW I THINK WE NEED A, A, A MORE COMPLETE COMPARISON STILL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? VICE MAYOR, FOLLOWING ON TO THAT COMMENT BY, UH, COUNCILOR BOLTS. BEN, WHAT? SO FLAG, LET'S TAKE FLAGSTAFF FOR EXAMPLE. THEY'RE NOT, THEIR PARKS ARE NOT BEING SUPPORTED BY DIFF FEES, NOR THEIR, WELL, THEIR PARKS ARE NOT BEING SUPPORTED. THEIR FIRE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE, AND THEY'RE POLICE AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT SUPPORTING STREETS EITHER. SO IT'S POLICE AND FIRE. HOW, HOW DO THEY PAY FOR PARKS? HOW DO THEY PAY FOR STREETS? UH, I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE, BUT GENERALLY IN, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS SITUATION, GENERALLY IN ARIZONA, IF A COMMUNITY DOES NOT ASSESS A STREET IMPACT FEE, IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF HALF STREET ORDINANCE WHERE THE DEVELOPERS REQUIRED TO MAKE THOSE HALF STREET IMPROVEMENTS. UM, OR THEY ISSUE DEBT, UM, OR, OR USE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE AN EXCESS CONSTRUCTION SALES TAX. SO IF YOU ARE, UM, CONSTRUCTION SALES TAX IS HIGHER THAN YOUR OTHER SALES TAX RATES, UM, BY ARIZONA LAW, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO. UM, BUT THAT DIFFERENCE TOWARDS IMPROVEMENTS, UH, AND SO SOME COMMUNITIES WILL DO THAT. I'D LIKE TO KNOW BEFORE WE APPROVE OUR, IF THERE'S ANOTHER POSSIBILITY FOR US IF WE COULD DO THIS A DIFFERENT WAY. AND SO THAT IT WAS NOT COMPLETELY BURDENED ON DEVELOPERS AS A WAY TO SPREAD THIS OUT. SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO, WE'VE GOT HERE FLAGSTAFF, COTTONWOOD AT PRESCOTT, COTTONWOOD, CAMP VERDE, PAYSON, SEVERAL OF THEM, WHAT IS THEIR APPROACH? YEAH, WE CAN BRING THAT BACK TO THE NEXT, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. OR WHEN WE DO THE FEED PORTION IN NOVEMBER. THANK YOU [00:40:01] JESSICA. YEAH, THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE SAME INFORMATION, BUT I WOULD, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE BROADEST CATEGORIES. IF, IF DEVELOPERS AREN'T PAYING, BUT RESIDENTS ARE, I MEAN, THAT'S ABOUT THE LEVEL. I DON'T NEED TO HAVE THE DETAILS ABOUT HOW IT ALL WORKS, BUT I JUST WANNA KNOW WHO, AND YOU KNOW, I EXPECT A LOT OF IT IS RESIDENTS IN INSTEAD. SO THAT'S THE LEVEL AT WHICH I'D BE INTERESTED IN, IN KNOWING, BECAUSE THERE'S NO MAGIC WAY THAT, UM, SOMEBODY ELSE'S MONEY WHO, YOU KNOW, NO ONE EVER HAS TO WORRY ABOUT PAYS FOR ALL OF THIS STUFF. OKAY, MELISSA? I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL THAN THAT PERSONALLY. FOR INSTANCE, UH, IF FLAGSTAFF HAS A PROPERTY TAX, UM, AND THAT'S HOW THEY'RE PAYING FOR THEIR PARKS IS VIA A PROPERTY TAX, WE DON'T HAVE A PROPERTY TAX. SO THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE WAYS AND MEANS TO GET THINGS DONE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE. AND THE BROADER CONVERSATION THEN BECOMES, HEY SEDONA, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT GETTING A PROPERTY TAX? AND I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS AUDIENCE, RIGHT? PLEASE. YEAH, . SO, UM, WE HAVE TO BE REASONABLE HERE ABOUT WHERE THAT MONEY IS COMING FROM. YES, RESIDENTS ARE PAYING IT, BUT IF THEY'RE PAYING IT THROUGH SOMETHING WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE, THEN WE NEED TO BE JUST AWARE OF THAT, THAT THAT'S MY ONLY ADDITION. WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF IT. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I DON'T THINK RESIDENTS CARE IF THEY'RE PAYING ABOUT FROM A PROPERTY TAX OR AN ASSESSMENT ON THEIR DRIVEWAY LENGTH. IF IN THE END, IF RESIDENTS ARE PAYING FOR IT FOR ME. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT THE MECHANISM, YOU NEED TO FILL IN THE MECHANISM, BUT AT THE END, IF RESIDENTS ARE PAYING, THEN, I MEAN, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PROPERTY TAX, BUT WE COULD ALWAYS HAVE ONE. YEAH. SO, I'M SORRY, GO ON. SO, SO THE DIFFERENCE IS ONE IS A ONE-TIME DEAL, MY DRIVEWAY, AND ONE IS EVERY YEAR. SO WE REALLY JUST NEED TO JUST BE AWARE. WELL, I'M SURE THAT IT'S, YOU PAY IT EVERY YEAR. SO I AGREE WITH YOU PETE. ANOTHER FACTOR THAT IS IN HERE IS HOW BIG IS YOUR PLAN? SO IT'S LIKE IF YOUR PLAN IS BIG, IT'S GONNA COST EVERYONE A LOT OF MONEY AND IS SOMEBODY A LOT OF MONEY, IT'S GONNA COST SOMEBODY A LOT OF MONEY. AND, AND SO I'M CURIOUS, IS OUR PLAN THAT MUCH BIGGER THAN YOU KNOW, THE OTHER VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITIES? THAT'S, AND THAT YOU HAVE THAT, RIGHT? SO YOU SAID A FUTURE MEETING THAT YOU'LL HAVE WITH ME? YES. YEAH. MM-HMM. TAKING NOTES. OKAY, BEN, CONTINUE ON. SURE. UM, ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, THIS IS A MULTIFAMILY COMPARISON. UM, AND SO THIS IS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, ACTUAL PROJECT. UM, SO 2,600 SQUARE FOOT UNITS, UH, 26 900 SQUARE FOOT UNITS, UM, AND THEN 150 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE. UH, SO IT JUST SHOWS YOU THE, THE COMPARISON OF, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT FEE, UM, FOR THAT TOTAL, UM, IS ABOUT 537,000. THE PROPOSED FEE WOULD BE 743,000. UH, YOU CAN SEE TO THE FAR RIGHT THAT SHOWS THAT THE COST PER UNIT, UM, SO GOING FROM ABOUT 11 SEVEN TO ABOUT 16 TWO. UH, AND THIS JUST SHOWS YOU, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE THE OTHER, UH, CITIES IN YOUR AREA FALL. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR YOU IT'S THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S REALLY THE, THE LARGEST COMPONENT OF YOUR FEE IS, YOU KNOW, THE THE WASTEWATER COMPONENT. OKAY, HOLD ON BEN, BUT HOLD ON. YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT THAT STREET FEE IS, THE PROPOSED STREET FEE IS ESSENTIALLY DOUBLING. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG DRIVER. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, PURE, YOU KNOW, COST INCREASE OR, YOU KNOW, FEE INCREASE, IT, IT'S REALLY YOUR STREET FEE THAT'S, THAT'S DRIVING THIS MM-HMM, . OKAY, HOLD ON, BEN, HOLD ON, BEN, GO AHEAD. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON. NO, I'M JUST AS A COMMENT HERE, WE WERE HIGHEST TO BEGIN WITH AND WE ARE THREE TIMES HIGHER AFTER THE PROPOSED FEE. SO I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED TO, TO HAVE JUST, I WONDER IF THERE CAN BE A, A WAY TO PRESENT IT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S KIND OF COMPREHENSIBLE TO SORT OF THE AVERAGE PERSON. SO WHEN YOU DO IT, I'D, I'D PREFER I'D LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO THAT, BECAUSE PEOPLE SAY, AND THEY SEEM TO BE CORRECT, THAT OUR FEES ARE HIGHER THAN, THAN OTHER PEOPLE'S FEES. SO THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE BEN? CONTINUE. OKAY, BEN, BACK TO YOU. ALRIGHT, UH, SO THE SLIDE 30, UH, THIS IS A, [00:45:01] A, A TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT. UH, SO SIX UNITS OF ABOUT 1500 SQUARE FEET, EIGHT OF ABOUT 600 SQUARE FEET AND FIVE UNITS OF ABOUT 2000 SQUARE FEET. UM, AND SO THE, UH, THE TOTAL FEES CURRENTLY ARE ABOUT 340,000 FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. UH, PROPOSED FEES WOULD INCREASE TO ABOUT 4 67. UH, SO, UH, INCREASING FOR ABOUT 18,000 A UNIT, UH, TO ABOUT 25,000 A UNIT. AGAIN, YOU WERE AT THE TOP BEFORE, UM, AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, STILL AT THE TOP, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED FEES TOP. ALRIGHT. AND I THINK THE FINAL COMPARISON, UH, IS THE COMMERCIAL. UH, SO THIS IS A, ABOUT A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, COMMERCIAL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT. UH, SO THE, UNDER YOUR CURRENT FEE STRUCTURE, UH, FEES ARE ABOUT $83,000, UH, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT UNDER THE PROPOSED, THEY'RE ABOUT A HUNDRED THIRTY EIGHT, FIVE. UH, SO INCREASING FROM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 16 AND A HALF THOUSAND PER SQUARE FOOT OR PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, UH, TO ALMOST 28,000 PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. OKAY. THAT'S YOUR PRESENTATION. THAT'S IT, BEN. THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE FINAL SLIDE. OKAY. JUST I, UH, I, OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PETE? NO, NO QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? YEP. WELL, LET ME JUST CHECK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THEN, PETE, WHY DON'T YOU GO ON WITH THE COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ASKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE YET AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MY REAL CONCERN HERE IS THAT OUR COMMUNITY PLAN THAT WE JUST PUT TOGETHER TALKS SO MUCH IN A, A MUCH MORE EMPHASIS WAY ABOUT HOUSING. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS STUFF, IT SURE LOOKS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT HOUSING, AND I JUST, I JUST DON'T GET IT. AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT IT COMPARED TO COMMERCIAL. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I I UNDERSTAND THE METHODOLOGY. I UNDERSTAND. WELL, I DON'T UNDERSTAND METHODOLOGY. I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE METHODOLOGY , AND IT SEEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE ARE DOING A METHODOLOGY, UM, ALTHOUGH I THOUGHT I DID REMEMBER FOR THE LAST MEETING THAT SOME PLACES DON'T DO A METHODOLOGY, THEY JUST DO AN EXACTION ON A PRO PER PROJECT BASIS. IS THAT CORRECT? DO I RECALL THAT MAY AND COUNSEL THAT GENERALLY BE ON A LARGER PROJECT, LIKE A, A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT MAYBE A YEAH, YEAH, A LARGE MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEX, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. NOT SINGLE FAMILY. IT WOULDN'T GENERALLY BE ANY EXACTION ON A SINGLE FAMILY, UM, HOME. OKAY. YEP. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU MAYBE TOUCH ON A LITTLE BIT AS WELL WHEN YOU'RE SORT OF GATHERING THAT DATA, WHAT THOSE DIFFERENCES WERE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THESE CITIES HERE DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN A METHODOLOGY, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY EYE-OPENING WHEN I LOOK AT IT. AND IN TERMS OF WHAT WE, THIS COUNCIL AND WHAT OUR COMMUNITY PLAN IS ATTEMPTING TO PRIORITIZE AND THESE NUMBERS, WHEN I LOOK AT 'EM, JUST, I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY'RE CONGRUENT. MAYBE THEY ARE, BUT I DON'T, HAVEN'T UNDERSTOOD IT THAT WAY YET. SO THANK YOU. KATHY, I KNOW YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY IT VERY SIMILAR. I MEAN, I JUST HAVING AN INITIAL RESPONSE TO THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO, THAT ARE GONNA BE OUT THERE AS A PROPOSED SET OF NUMBERS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT, AGAIN, WHEN WE ADOPT THINGS THAT WE CAN ADOPT A PORTION OF THE FEES, A PHASE OF THE FEES. IT DOESN'T, THESE AREN'T THE FEES, BUT ARE THESE STILL THE FEES IF THESE ARE NOT FEELING REALISTIC TO US? UM, IS THIS THE DOCUMENT? ARE THESE THE NUMBERS THAT SHOULD BE PUT OUT THERE INITIALLY? UM, THAT'S MY QUESTION. I THINK THE CITY MANAGER WANTS TO WEIGH IN. OKAY. OR, YOU KNOW, I CAN DEFER TO BEN, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UM, PER THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE STATUTE AND DOING THE REVIEW OF THESE FEES AND FOLLOWING ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS, UM, WE'RE PUBLISHING THE RESULTS OF WHAT THE METHODOLOGY CALCULATES IT OUT TO. WE'RE PUBLISHING, UM, WHAT IS THE COST DRIVER BEHIND IT FOR FULL PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY AND COMMENT SO THAT YOU CAN THEN TAKE ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW OR WHEN YOU IMPLEMENT WHAT PORTION OF THE FEE. UM, SO WE COULD, ONE OF THE BIG DRIVERS BEHIND IT IS, UM, WE DO HAVE A SET OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTED THAT ARE NEEDED BECAUSE OF GROWTH. UM, AND SO IF YOU WERE TO TAKE ANY OF THOSE ITEMS OFF THE LIST, I THINK IT MIGHT SLIGHTLY REDUCE THE FEES. UM, BUT THOSE ARE BASED ON YOUR ADOPTED PLANS ALREADY [00:50:01] OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE CITY. UM, SO THERE'S JUST LITTLE LEVERS YOU CAN USE TO TRY TO TWEAK THESE FEES BEFORE THEY'RE PUBLISHED. BUT MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, HERE'S THE FULL METHODOLOGY UNDER THE LAW. HERE'S OUR FULL, UM, PLAN FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE OF GROWTH AND POPULATION IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE FEEL ARE NECESSARY. THIS IS THE MAXIMUM WE COULD CHARGE. AND THEN WE GO INTO THE DISCUSSION OF, OKAY, HOW MUCH WILL THE MARKET BEAR? WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF WE DO CHARGE THE FULL AMOUNT? OKAY, LET'S COME UP WITH A POLICY OF HOW WE APPLY THEM. UM, DO WE HAVE CONSIDERATION FOR, UM, WORKFORCE HOUSING, FOR EXAMPLE, OR WHATEVER. SO HOW WE IMPLEMENT IT, I THINK IS WHERE ALL OF THAT'S GONNA OCCUR. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE COUNCIL SENSITIVITY THAT WE PUBLISH SOMETHING THAT LOOKS REALLY, REALLY LARGE. UM, BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF FOLLOWING THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE STATUTE AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO PER THAT FOR THE REVIEW PROCESS AND MAKE IT FULLY TRANSPARENT WHAT THAT CALCULATES OUT TO. UM, IT, IT WAS A SET UP QUESTION. I ASKED IT SO THAT YOU COULD SAY ALL THAT AND GET THAT ON THE RECORD, UH, TO MAKE IT CLEAR. SO THANK YOU FOR ARTICULATING THAT SO WELL, UM, I, AGAIN THOUGH, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IF IT'S, AND I HEARD IT THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS UP HERE ON THE DAY THAT THERE WAS A REACTION, YOU KNOW, TO INITIAL NUMBERS. AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE FULLY AWARE THAT THERE WILL BE REACTION OUT THERE TO THOSE NUMBERS AS WELL. AND I JUST, AGAIN, I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE REPRESENT, WILL BE ACTUALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF WHERE WE'RE REALISTICALLY WOULD LAND. SO I CAN'T PREDICT THAT, BUT IT'S JUST A CONCERN. UM, IT'S CONCERN. AND I THINK STAFF WILL ALSO, UM, AT THAT FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IN NOVEMBER, BE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT, UM, IF A SMALLER FEE IS IMPLEMENTED, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR FUNDING OR CIP BECAUSE WE'VE MADE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DIFF AMOUNTS ARE PAYING FOR WHAT PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT KIND OF THING. SO THERE'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL, JUST FOR, FOR AWARENESS. THANK YOU. GOOD. OKAY. VICE MAYOR. SO WE'RE FUNDING, ALLEGEDLY WE'RE FUNDING OUR, OUR, UH, SIM PROJECTS THROUGH A TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX. MM-HMM. . SO THAT'S HOW WE'RE FUNDING A LOT OF, RIGHT, RIGHT. FOR THE, FOR THE SIM PROJECTS. FOR THE SIM PROJECTS. OKAY. BUT I LOOK AT, I LOOK AT THE WASTEWATER, I MEAN, WE ARE SO OUT OF LINE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE ON, ON WASTEWATER, IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO FUND THIS? PLUS, AS I RECALL IN OUR LAST DISCUSSION, WE'RE ONLY, WE'RE NOT EVEN GETTING A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY FROM THIS IN ANY EVENT. RIGHT. IT WAS LIKE $150,000. AM I RIGHT? SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE. I THINK WE SHOULD CLARIFY THAT WASTEWATER IS A CONNECTION CHARGE OUTSIDE OF THE DIFF CORRECT, BEN? OR IS IT? YES. BUT IT ACTS IN A VERY SIMILAR, SIMILAR FASHION TO YOUR, YOUR NEIGHBOR'S CAPACITY PIECE. YEAH. SO, BUT THE ADOPTION OF THESE PLANS AND THE ADOPTION OF THE FEE IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT OUR WASTEWATER RATE FOR OUR CONNECTION. 'CAUSE THAT'S A RIGHT SEPARATE, CORRECT. YES, YES. OKAY. IT'S SEPARATE, BUT OUR WHOLE DIFF PROGRAM WAS SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO THE CITY. RIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AS A WAY TO FUND OUR CIP NO. BUT WE DO HAVE IT PROGRAMMED INTO DIFFERENT PROJECTS WHERE IT'S ELIGIBLE TO BE USED. SO, BUT, BUT WASTEWATER IS, WASTEWATER ISN'T A DIFF THOUGH, IT'S A SEPARATELY CALCULATED, UM, AND ADOPTED. I, I KNOW, BUT IN HERE, AND IF WE WERE TO BUILD A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, THE WASTEWATER CHARGE , IT'S THREE OVER $300,000. THE CONNECTION FEE TO ADD TO THE CAPACITY OF THE SYSTEM TO ACCEPT IT AND TREAT IT FOR 20 UNITS, FOUR, SIX, IT'S, THAT'S PROPOSED ON 46 MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UM, ON THE MULTIFAMILY, THERE'S, THERE'S 46 TOTAL [00:55:01] UNITS. 40, OKAY. SO THE 20 PLUS THE 26, SO 46 UNITS. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 46 UNITS AT SUNSET LOFS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS BASED ON. IT WOULD COST OVER $300,000, THREE OVER $350,000. IT JUST SEEMS IT'S DISCOURAGING. YEAH. WELL, IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SAYING YOU ARE WELCOME TO DEVELOP MULTIFAMILY HOUSING IN THIS CITY. AND THEN IF WE DECIDE, WELL, WE'RE ONLY GONNA CHARGE, YOU KNOW, 10% WHY HAVE THESE NUMBERS? I, I, I, I'M NOT SURE I CAN SUPPORT THIS METHODOLOGY. SO MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I WILL STATE THAT THE WASTEWATER FUND IS SUBSIDIZED BY THE GENERAL FUND EVERY YEAR. MM-HMM. . SO DESPITE THESE FEES, IT'S NOT EVEN SUPPORTING ITSELF AND THE REGULAR MONTHLY FEES. UM, SO IF YOU DO DECIDE, AND AGAIN, THIS PROCESS FOR TODAY DOESN'T EVEN TOUCH THE WASTEWATER FEES. THOSE ARE A SEPARATE PROCESS. UM, WELL, IT'S IN HERE. THEY'RE LISTED IN HERE FOR COMPARISON PURPOSES ONLY. AND FOR WHAT THE TOTAL COST WOULD BE THE WASTEWATER FEE, UH, CAPACITY FEES ARE ADOPTED THROUGH A DIFFERENT STATUTE. YEAH. SO THIS IS JUST A FULL PICTURE OF THE COST TO DEVELOP, RIGHT. ALL THE TYPES OF FEES. BUT AGAIN, UM, THE ONLY THREE COMPONENTS THAT ARE THE SUBJECT OF THIS PROCESS ARE THE POLICE, UM, THE STREETS AND THE PARKS. SO WHY DO WE HAVE WASTEWATER IN HERE? I THINK JUST TO SHOW THE COST TO WHAT IT COSTS TO CONNECT ALL THESE SYSTEMS AS A COMPARATOR TO OUR, UM, OUR NEIGHBORING. CAN I CLARIFY, ASK CLARIFYING QUESTION. SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE PUBLISHED DOCUMENT WITH THE FEES WOULD NOT INCLUDE THE WASTEWATER? CORRECT. OKAY. CORRECT. IT'S ONLY GONNA INCLUDE STREETS PARTS. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT STUFF THAT'S NOT GONNA BE A PART OF WHAT GETS PUBLISHED, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE REACTING TO. MM-HMM. CORRECT, BUT I BELIEVE BEN INCLUDED THEM, IS TO SHOW OVERALL COST TO DEVELOP THESE PROJECTS. IT WOULDN'T BE A FULL PICTURE WITHOUT THE WASTEWATER FEES, WHICH IN, IN SEDONAS CASE AMOUNTS TO HALF OFTEN, UM, OR MORE OF THE TOTAL COST OF THE FEE. SO, UH, THE WATER FEES ARE ADOPTED UNDER A RS 9 5 11, UM, WHICH IS A SEPARATE STATUTE THAN A DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE. UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL VISITED A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND WE'LL BE REVISITING IN THE FUTURE. SO, MORE CLARIFICATION. LET'S SEE. UH, HOLLY, DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? I WON'T, I'M GONNA MOVE AWAY FROM WASTEWATER. DO YOU HAVE A WASTEWATER QUESTION? I HAVE A CLAR. I'M LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION OF WHAT SLIDE. CAN YOU TELL ME WHICH SLIDE HAS, WHAT WILL ACTUALLY BE PUBLISHED? SHE JUST SAYS PARKS, POLICE, AND STREETS. OKAY. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. SO LET'S GO TO STREETS. SO PRESCOTT, IT'S 147,000 FOR STREETS, AND WE'RE PROPOSING 227,000 ARE, DO OUR STREETS COST THAT MUCH MORE TO MAINTAIN THAN PRESCOTT? I MEAN, THERE ARE REGIONAL DIFFERENCES. WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF WORKERS, UM, HERE IN SEDONA. IT'S HARDER TO GET PEOPLE HERE IN MATERIALS IN, UM, VERSUS LARGER CITIES LIKE THE, THE VALLEY, PRESCOTT, UH, PRESCOTT VALLEY AND FLAGSTAFF. SO, UM, IN ANSWER TO THE EARLIER QUESTION, IF YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE TWO OR PAGE 2 85, THAT'S WHERE IT SHOWS WHAT THE FEES ARE THAT ARE BEING PUBLISHED, WHAT THE CURRENT ONES ARE NOW THAT WE COLLECT, AND WHAT IS PROPOSED AS THE MAXIMUM UNDER THE METHODOLOGY. THANK YOU. YES. DO I HAVE THE RIGHT SLIDE UP, ANNETTE? UH, YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. I, I, SO IF I COULD CONTINUE, I, I JUST DON'T FIND IT. I HAVE A HARD TIME BUYING THAT PRESCOTT, WHICH IS IN OUR REGION, COSTS THAT MUCH LESS THAN SEDONA. IT'S POSSIBLE AS WELL THAT THEY HAVEN'T HIT THEIR FIVE YEAR MARK TO UPDATE THEM, AND IT MIGHT BE NEXT YEAR. AND THEY MIGHT SEE A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THEIRS AS WELL. WE COULD BE ON A DIFFERENT FIVE YEAR CYCLE. UM, THAT WOULD BE GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE. IT'S THERE. JESSICA. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT EVERYBODY'S RESPONDING TO IS JUST HOW DAMN MUCH EVERYTHING COSTS TO DO. AND I, I JUST THINK THAT SORT OF QUESTIONING PRESCOTT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE, MAYBE WE HAD NEED A WHOLE NOTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO JUST ANALYZES THIS, BUT IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY AND [01:00:01] SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY IT. IT'S IN OUR PLAN. WE CAN DECIDE AS A RESULT OF THIS AT YOUR NEXT PRIORITY SESSION TO CUT BACK YOUR CAPITAL PLAN BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO CHARGE THESE IMPACT FEES. I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN DO, BUT THIS IS A METHODOLOGY THAT'S, I MEAN, IT'S A VERY ARCANE METHODOLOGY, BUT IT'S HOW IT'S DONE AND THIS IS HOW MUCH IT COSTS. UM, AND WHILE YOU TELL A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPER THAT 300 AND SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS PEOPLE WHO ARE BUILDING LUXURY, BUILD IT, PEOPLE PAY FOR IT. IT, IT'S, IT'S WHAT IT COSTS. UM, AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEN I THINK WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT MECHANISMS IN, IN THAT CASE, TO REDUCE OR, OR US PAY FOR OUT OF SOME OTHER FUND THOSE FEES. BUT I JUST THINK TO SORT OF GO LINE BY LINE BY LINE THAT, OH, I DON'T THINK THAT IT COSTS MORE IN FLAGSTAFF, PROVE TO ME IT COSTS MORE THAN FLAGSTAFF. I JUST DON'T, AS A METHODOLOGY, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT MAKES ANY SENSE FOR, AND I, I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M JUST DISAGREEING WITH YOU. I'M NOT, NOT SAYING THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL ARE GONNA END UP DOING, BUT I, UM, I THINK THERE IS A REAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR CAPITAL PROJECT AND WHAT THESE FEES ARE, AND I'M NOT INTERESTED IN REDUCING THESE FEES SO WE COULD HAVE MORE SHORT TERM RENTALS. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE THAN THAT. UM, BUT THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I'M THINKING. PETE, YOU AND THEN BRIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. LET ME JUST REACT TO A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS THAT CAME ACROSS MY MIND IS I THINK OTHER VERDE VALLEY CITIES ARE GROWING FASTER THAN SEDONA IS, AND SO THEY MUST, CAMP VERDE IS, YEAH, THEY MUST HAVE PROJECTS AND SORT OF THEIR PROJECT LIST. IT'S GOTTA BE BIGGER THAN OURS OR DIFFERENT THAN OURS SOMEHOW. BUT, SO IT'S, IT'S JUST INTERESTING TO ME. I WANTED TO MAKE THAT NOTE THAT THESE FEES REALLY ARE TO PAY FOR THE IMPACTS OF GROWTH, NOT REALLY FOR MAINTENANCE. GO AHEAD. AND J JUST AN OBSERVATION THAT WAS MADE RECENTLY. I SPENT A DAY, UH, WITH A COUPLE OF NACO REP REPRESENTATIVES AND THEY HAD JUST VISITED THE TOWN OF CAMP VERDE. AND WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON VERSUS THE PROJECTS THAT CAMP VERDE HAS GOING ON, IT, IT'S A DRASTIC DIFFERENCE. I BELIEVE THAT SEDONA HAS, HAS A LOT MORE PROJECTS GOING ON THAN CAMP VERDE. YEP. I BELIEVE THAT, ANDY, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. AND I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER INFORMATION ON THAT, BUT THAT WAS THE FEEDBACK FROM THEM. AND IT MIGHT BE THAT THE OTHER CITIES ARE NOT USING DIFF FEES TO FULLY CHARGE WHAT THEY CAN. IT MIGHT BE LIKE ANNETTE HAD SAID THAT THAT MIGHT BE THEIR FEE FEE STRUCTURE IS OLD. SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW. THIS COMPARISON IS GONNA BE DIFFICULT. YEAH, WE CAN TRY TO GET SOME INSIGHT INTO THAT. BUT THEN ALSO REACTING TO WHAT COUNCILOR WILLIAMS JUST SAID, A RECORD SHOWS THAT MULTIFAMILY HOUSING ISN'T BEING BUILT IN THIS TOWN. AND THIS MAY BE ONE OF THE REASONS MM-HMM. THAT THE IMPACT FEES ARE SO BIG. SO, BUT, UH, THE LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT I, FOR ONE, WANT TO THANK BEN, UH, BEN AND STAFF FOR PUTTING THIS TOTAL COST DEVELOPMENT SLIDE AT WORK TOGETHER. I THINK IT'S BEEN VERY INSIGHTFUL, EVEN THOUGH IT GOES BEYOND JUST THE DIFF FEE PROGRAM. SO DON'T, BEN, DON'T, YOU KNOW, PLEASE TAKE THE COMPLIMENT. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS WORK AND, AND, AND SHOWING US THE COUNCIL SORT OF THIS TOTAL COST OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE GOT HERE IN STONE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, BRIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT METHODOLOGY ONLY THIS EVENING. WE'RE NOT VOTING ON ANYTHING. I, I ACCEPT THE METHODOLOGY AS IT IS. THE RESULTS SURE ARE BREATHTAKING AS FAR AS THE COSTS ARE CONCERNED, BUT THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE. I'VE ALREADY ASKED, AS HAVE SEVERAL, MY COLLEAGUES, THAT WE CONTINUE TO TRY TO GET AS APPLES TO APPLES OF A COMPARISON AS WE CAN GET. UM, I THINK FOR THE RESIDENTS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THESE FEES WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU'RE NOT PAYING THOSE UNLESS YOU GO BUILD A NEW HOUSE, RIGHT? LIKE THIS DOESN'T AFFECT YOU PER SE, UNLESS YOU CHOOSE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, INVEST IN, UH, BUILDING HERE, UH, REAL ESTATE WISE, WHICH WE HAVE AN APPLICANT THIS EVENING THAT'S PROBABLY GOING, YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO GET THE, THE CURRENT FEES NOT THE PROPOSED, I SUSPECT. UM, THERE'S CHOICES TO BE MADE WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT AROUND FEES, RIGHT? WE CAN STICK WITH WHAT'S GONNA BE HERE FROM THE METHODOLOGY IN AND OF ITSELF. WE HAVE THE OPTION, AS COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON SAID, TO RATCHET BACK WHAT'S IN OUR CIP. UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT CONCERNS ME? [01:05:01] I, I, I REALLY, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS I DON'T WANT TO DIS INCENT MULTIFAMILY HOUSING PER SE, I DON'T WANT TO PASS ON THOSE COSTS TO THE FOLKS THAT ALREADY LIVE HERE. UH, SO THAT'S NOT REALLY ATTRACTIVE TO ME TO DO THAT, UH, EITHER DIRECTLY THROUGH TAXATION OR REALLY IMPACTING JUST BY BEING ABLE TO DO LESS FOR RESIDENTS ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S PARK INVESTMENT, ET CETERA, TO HAVE TO DEFER OR NOT DO IT. UM, BECAUSE WE THINK THAT THESE DIFF FEES ARE TOO HIGH. SO, UH, AND LAST COMMENT. UH, BEN'S WORK AGAIN, THANK YOU. UH, THE COMPARISON PAGES ALL DO HAVE EFFECTIVE FEE DATES. SO AS A, FOR INSTANCE, COTTONWOOD IS 2018, PAYSON 2019. SO NOT EVERYBODY'S UP TO DATE PER WHAT, UH, ANNETTE WAS JUST SHARING. SO CERTAINLY ONE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE SOME CHANGES COMING UP. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. UH, MELISSA. OKAY. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT, UH, PRESENTATION FROM STEPH. DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING ELSE? UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DID WANNA CLARIFY THAT, UM, THE NEXT MEETING ON THIS IS OCTOBER 8TH. UH, THAT PACKET IS ALREADY DONE AND IN REVIEW RIGHT NOW TO GET PUBLISHED BY YOUR NEW SCHEDULE. UM, SO WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE ALL THAT MORE, UH, ADDITIONAL DETAIL COMPARISON FOR THE EIGHTH, BUT WE WILL WORK ON IT FOR THE 12TH, I BELIEVE IS THE ONE AFTER THAT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE FEES THEMSELVES. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE FOR YOUR EXPECTATIONS THAT THE PACKET, UM, COMING TO YOU ON THE EIGHTH IS GOING TO HAVE BASICALLY ALL THOSE SAME INFORMATION AS TONIGHT. UM, AND THE EIGHTH IS THE ADOPTION OF THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT PLAN. IF WE STICK WITH THE CURRENT SCHEDULE, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO DELAY THAT NEXT MEETING TO GET TILL WE CAN GET THE INFORMATION? UM, I'M GONNA LOOK TO BEN. HE'S THE MASTER OF UNDERSTANDING ALL OF THE DEADLINES REQUIRED BY THE STATUTES. AND I AM NOT. SO THE WAY THE ARIZONA, UH, STATUTE IS WRITTEN IS, UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU HAVE THAT FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ON THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS IN THE IAP, UM, YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR, UH, YOUR, YOUR NEXT MEETING WITH IN 30 DAYS. SO YOU HAVE TO AT LEAST GO 30 DAYS. UM, BUT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO ADOPT WITHIN 60 DAYS OF THAT, THAT INITIAL PUBLIC HEARING. UM, WHICH IS WHY WE DID NOT BUMP THAT, THAT, UH, OCTOBER DATE BACK ANY FURTHER. UH, 'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE BUMPING UP AGAINST, UH, 60 EIGHTS AT THAT POINT. OKAY. THANK YOU, BEN. OKAY. UH, SO LET ME JUST FINISH WHAT I WAS SAYING BEFORE IS UNFORTUNATELY I WON'T BE ABLE TO LOOK AT, SEE THE, THE EXTRA INFORMATION IN OUR NEXT MEETING, BUT THE MEETING AFTER THAT. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. I'LL HOLD ANY OF MY COMMENTS UNTIL, UH, THAT MEETING, BUT I THINK THE STAFF HAS THEIR, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED. SO, BEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, YOUR PRESENTATION AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO, UM, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, WE'LL MOVE ON. OKAY, THANKS THEN. THANK YOU. [8.a. AB 3035 Public Hearing/possible action regarding a request for approval of a ZoneChange (ZC) and Development Agreement to allow for development of a 100-roomhotel and 46-unit multifamily housing project (Village at Saddlerock Crossing) at 1259& 1335 W State Route 89A; 82 & 86 Saddlerock Circle; and 105 Elk Road. Theproperty is within the Soldiers Pass Community Focus Area, is ±6.3 acres, and islocated south of the intersection of W State Route 89A and Soldiers Pass Roadbetween Saddlerock Circle and Elk Road. APN: 408-26-004B, 408-26-004C, 408-26-009C, 408-26-009C, 408-26-010, 408-26-011, 408-26-012, 408-26-013, 408-26-014,408-26-086A, 408-26-088. The requested Zone Change is from CO (Commercial) andRM-2 (Medium-High Density Multifamily) to L (Lodging). Case Number: PZ19-00005(ZC, DEV) Owner/Applicant: The Baney Corporation (Curt Baney) AuthorizedRepresentative: Withey Morris Baugh, PLC (Jason Morris and Benjamin Tate). (Part 1 of 2)] NOW WE'LL GO TO WHAT WAS ITEM A, UH, WHICH WILL BE A B 30 35 PUBLIC HEARING. POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL, UH, OF A ZONE CHANGE CC AND DEVELOP AN AGREEMENT TO ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A HUNDRED ROOM HOTEL AND 46 UNIT MULTIFAMILY HOUSING PROJECT, VILLAGE OF SADDLE ROCK CROSSING, UH, AT 1259 AND 1335 WEST 89 A, UH, 82 AND 86 SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE AND 1 0 5 ELK ROAD. THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE SOLDIER PASS COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA IS PLUS OR MINUS SIX POINT, UH, THREE ACRES, AND IS LOCATED SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF WEST 89 A AND SOLDIER PASS ROAD BETWEEN SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE AND ELK ROAD. THE REQUESTED ZONE CHANGE IS FROM A COMMERCIAL AND RM, UH, MEDIUM DENSITY, MEDIUM HIGH DENSITY, MULTIFAMILY TO L LODGING. CASE NUMBER PZ 19 DASH 0 0 0 0 5 Z-C-D-E-V. UH, OWNER APPLICANT AT THE BANEY CORPORATION. KURT BANEY, AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE IS WHITLEY, UH, MORRIS BA UH, PLC, JASON MORRIS, AND BENJAMIN TATE. I DON'T SEE JASON MORRIS HERE, NE HE NEVER SHOWS UP. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, BUT, OKAY. UH, UH, MAYOR, [9. EXECUTIVE SESSION] YES. I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, PLEASE FOR LEGAL ADVICE. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? I'LL SECOND THAT. SECOND. MAYOR AND COUNSEL. COULD, COULD WE STATE, UM, ON WHICH ITEM, UH, I'M ASSUMING IT'S THIS ITEM, BUT WE JUST PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. [01:10:01] YES. THIS ITEM FOR LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING THE, THE SADDLE ART CROSSING YES. REZ ZONE. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. SECOND. OKAY. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. AYE. IS THERE ANY OPPOSED? THERE'S NONE OPPOSED. OKAY. WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND GET BACK TO YOU SHORTLY. OKAY. CARRIE, YOU'LL [8.a. AB 3035 Public Hearing/possible action regarding a request for approval of a ZoneChange (ZC) and Development Agreement to allow for development of a 100-roomhotel and 46-unit multifamily housing project (Village at Saddlerock Crossing) at 1259& 1335 W State Route 89A; 82 & 86 Saddlerock Circle; and 105 Elk Road. Theproperty is within the Soldiers Pass Community Focus Area, is ±6.3 acres, and islocated south of the intersection of W State Route 89A and Soldiers Pass Roadbetween Saddlerock Circle and Elk Road. APN: 408-26-004B, 408-26-004C, 408-26-009C, 408-26-009C, 408-26-010, 408-26-011, 408-26-012, 408-26-013, 408-26-014,408-26-086A, 408-26-088. The requested Zone Change is from CO (Commercial) andRM-2 (Medium-High Density Multifamily) to L (Lodging). Case Number: PZ19-00005(ZC, DEV) Owner/Applicant: The Baney Corporation (Curt Baney) AuthorizedRepresentative: Withey Morris Baugh, PLC (Jason Morris and Benjamin Tate). (Part 2 of 2)] BE PRESENTING AT THE BEGINNING, OR I WILL START, THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL. OKAY. BEN, YOU WANT TO, UH, MAKE A PRESENTATION FROM WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SIT AND DO THAT? I, I'D LIKE THAT PRESENTATION. I WILL START. OH, YOU WILL, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THEN GO AND THEN THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION. I HAVE. I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU. I GOTCHA. OKAY. ARE WE GONNA WAIT FOR COUNSELOR KINSELLA, UH, FOR JUST ANOTHER MINUTE AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO START WITHOUT A, THERE WE GO. OKAY. GO FOR IT, CARRIE. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. SO WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO HAVE A, ESSENTIALLY A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING FROM MARCH OF THIS YEAR FOR THE VILLAGE AT SADDLE ROCK CROSSING PROJECT. UM, THE MAYOR READ ALL OF THESE THINGS, AND SO I'M JUST NOT GOING TO DO THAT AGAIN. 'CAUSE HE DID SUCH A GOOD JOB AT IT. THANK YOU. UM, BUT NOTHING ON THIS SLIDE HAS CHANGED. SO THROUGHOUT THIS PRESENTATION, UM, I WILL NOTE THE PIECES OF THE PROJECT THAT HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE MARCH MEETING. UM, SO THIS PROJECT HAS A, A LONG HISTORY OF VARIOUS DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS, UM, DATING BACK TO ABOUT 2014. CURRENT APPLICATION WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED IN 2019 AND WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL IN MARCH AS 110 LODGING UNITS AND 40 MULTIFAMILY UNITS. UM, SINCE THEN, THAT HAS BEEN REDUCED TO A HUNDRED LODGING UNITS AND INCREASED TO 46 MULTIFAMILY UNITS. UM, PROPERTY IS STILL LOCATED IN THE SAME PLACE, AND IT STILL LOOKS THE SAME IN THE AERIAL. THEY'RE, UM, SO THE CURRENT LAND USE DESIGNATIONS ARE COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY, AND THE CURRENT ZONING LINES UP WITH THOSE SAME LINES. THE MULTIFAMILY DESIGNATION IS, IS THE SOUTHEAST ACRE, SO OF THE PROPERTY. AND THIS IS ALSO WITHIN THE SOLDIER'S PASS COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA, UM, WHICH DOES HAVE A CFA PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AND THE PROPOSED ZONING FOR THE PROJECT IS LODGING. IT'S IN THE PROPERTY, HIGHLIGHTED IN THE PINK BOX HERE, IF YOU CAN SEE THAT. AND SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S ON 89 A AT THE SOLDIERS PASS INTERSECTION. OKAY. UM, SO THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN IS HERE. UM, SO AGAIN, THEY REDUCED THE NUMBER OF LODGING UNITS TO A HUNDRED LODGING UNITS, AND THEY DID THAT BY MODIFYING THE NORTH WING, UM, WHICH IS THIS BUILDING HERE. AND THEN THE 46 MULTIFAMILY UNITS ARE HERE AND HERE. UM, SO THEY'RE ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. UM, THEY WERE ABLE TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF MULTIFAMILY UNITS, UM, BY SIX, BY CHANGING SOME OF THE TWO BEDROOM UNITS INTO ONE BEDROOM UNIT. SO THE, THE MULTIFAMILY IS WITHIN THE SAME FOOTPRINT. THE NORTH WING, UM, WAS MODIFIED A LITTLE BIT FOR WITH THE CHANGES. UM, THE PROJECT ALSO HAS THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKING IN A PARKING STRUCTURE IN THE CENTER PART OF THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROJECT. AND IT HAS A ROAD CONNECTION FROM SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE TO SOLDIERS PASS ROAD, OR, YEAH. SO ALONG THERE, OH, OH, THERE'S THE SITE PLAN AGAIN. UM, I'M JUST GONNA USE THIS. UM, SO LIKE I SAID, THIS IS WITHIN THE SOLDIER'S PAST CFA. YOU CAN SEE ITS LOCATION HERE WITHIN THE PLANNING BOUNDARY. UM, THEY, AND WE WENT THROUGH THAT IN DETAIL AT THE MARCH PUBLIC HEARING. UM, OUR EVALUATION FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE CFA PLAN HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE THEN. SO I WON'T GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN, BUT HAPPY, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. UM, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, AGAIN, THAT'S GENERALLY ADDRESSED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PORTION OF THE APPLICATION, WHICH, UM, IS, WAS DONE AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LEVEL. UM, THE FULL EVALUATION ISN'T, WAS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT IN THE PACKET AS, UM, SHOWN IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS ON THE PLAN THAT NEED TO BE, UM, MODIFIED A BIT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE LDC REQUIREMENTS. [01:15:01] UM, AND OUR EVALUATION FOR THAT HAS NOT CHANGED. UM, PART OF THE APPLICANT'S RESUBMITTAL FOR THIS HEARING INCLUDED THAT THEY BELIEVED THAT THEY HAD ADDRESSED A NUMBER OF THOSE COMMENTS AND LOOKING THROUGH THOSE, THE RESUBMITTED PLANS, THEY HAD NOT, UM, WE DID NOT, WE, THEY DID NOT DISCUSS ANY OF THOSE CHANGES WITH US. SO AS WE WERE LOOKING THROUGH THE RESUBMITTAL, WE, UM, WE DID NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. AND THEN, UM, WITH THE REVISION TO THE NORTH BUILDING, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, THAT, BECAUSE THE, THE FOOTPRINT AND A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THAT BUILDING HAD CHANGED. SO WE LEFT ALL OF THE CONDITIONS IN, UM, AND ABOUT THEY, ALL OF THAT WILL BE REVIEWED BY STAFF AT THE BUILDING PERMIT STAGE. SO THERE IS STILL, UM, WE WILL STILL NEED TO WORK THROUGH ALL OF THAT, BUT THAT IS, UM, COVERED BY THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IF YOU CHOOSE TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION. UM, SO AGAIN, ALL THE REVIEW AGENCIES, UM, YOU HAVE ALL OF THEIR COMMENTS. UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE ALL THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL BECAUSE THE CHANGES TO THE PLANS WERE MINOR. WE DID NOT SEND THIS THE RESUBMITTAL OUT AGAIN FOR REVIEW. UM, BUT AGAIN, ANYONE WHO HAS APPROVAL THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS WOULD BE REVIEWING THOSE PLANS AGAIN AND MAKING SURE THAT, UM, THE FINAL PLANS ARE COMPLIANT WITH ANYTHING, WITH ALL APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS. UM, PUBLIC INPUT WAS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT, UM, COUNSEL HAD ASKED THE APPLICANT TO SPEND SOME MORE TIME ON. AND SINCE THE LAST MEETING, UM, THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A NEW PUBLIC PARTICIPATION REPORT. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE, AT LEAST ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN AS OF THIS MORNING, HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU, I BELIEVE. UM, AND SO YEAH, IF YOU HAVE OTHER, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I'M SURE THE APPLICANT HAS MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. WE DID NOTICE THIS HEARING AGAIN TO ALL OF THE SAME PEOPLE WHO HAVE GOTTEN, UM, NOTICES IN THE PAST. AGAIN, OUR STANDARDS FOR REVIEW ARE THE SAME, UM, AS THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST. FINDINGS ARE THE SAME. UM, AND ARE, SO WE GO. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IN BACK IN NOVEMBER AT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WAS A DENIAL OF THE PROJECT BASED ON THE REASONS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAD A HEARING LAST NOVEMBER WHERE THEY CONTINUED THE PROJECT FOR THREE MONTHS, UM, THAT, THAT CONTINUED HEARING IN FEBRUARY WITH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THE COMMISSION VOTED FOR TWO TO APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ZONE CHANGE. CITY COUNCIL HELD THEIR FIRST MEETING ON THIS IN MAR, UH, IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR, UM, AND OPTED TO CONTINUE THE HEARING FOR ANOTHER SIX MONTHS. THAT SIX MONTHS FROM MARCH 26TH WILL BE UP ON THURSDAY. UM, WHICH IS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY. UM, IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE, SOME UPDATED PLANS AND, UM, A DEVELOPMENT, A DRAFT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS ALSO PREPARED. UM, I REVIEWED IT ALONG WITH KURT, AND BASED ON OUR REVIEW OF IT, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE ONE IN YOUR, UM, PACKET ACCURATELY REFLECTS THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED UP TO THIS POINT. UM, BUT WE HAVE, AGAIN, WE HAVE OR AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. UM, AND THERE ARE MOTIONS FOR BOTH APPROVAL AND DENIAL IN YOUR PACKET, SO YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT TO DO. AND THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, CARRIE. UH, DO YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS OF CARRIE BEFORE, UH, BEN COMES UP? OR YOU WANT TO JUST ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS AT THE SAME TIME? SAME, SAME TIME. SAME TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU CARRIE. MM-HMM. . AND HAVE A SEAT. WELCOME BACK. THANK YOU. UH, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I APOLOGIZE. I'M FIGHTING A COLD, SO CARRIE, I'LL TRY TO KEEP MY DISTANCE STAY ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROOM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BEEN A ROUGH COUPLE OF DAYS. UH, IF I MAY, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO MY DAYS AS A PROSECUTOR AND SAY IF I MAY APPROACH, UM, THAT'S STILL APPROPRIATE. , WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE DO YOU GOT 'EM? WOW. YEP, WE HAVE 'EM RIGHT HERE. DID YOU MAKE SOME COPIES? I, NO, WE, WE CAN TRY AND SAVE YOU SOME PAPER AHEAD. A BUNCH. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UH, BENJAMIN TATE WITH WITHY MORRIS PA, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE BANEY CORPORATION, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE BACK IN FRONT OF THIS GROUP AGAIN. UM, FRANKLY, [01:20:01] I, I WANT TO START OUT BY JUST SAYING THANK YOU BOTH FOR MYSELF AND ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT. UH, WHEN WE WERE HERE BACK IN MARCH, UH, THE COUNCIL HAD SOME, SOME VERY STRONG DIRECTION FOR THIS PROJECT AS FAR AS THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH THAT WE NEEDED TO, UH, EMBARK UPON AND SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT WE NEEDED TO LOOK AT FOR THE PROJECT. AND I CAN SAY WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY THAT THE RESULT OF THAT WAS NOT ONLY AN EXTREMELY ROBUST, UH, EXCHANGE OF IDEAS WITH THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO ULTIMATELY LED, UH, TO A BETTER PROJECT, A MORE COMPLETE PROJECT, UH, AND HOPEFULLY ONE THAT HAS EARNED THE COUNCIL'S SUPPORT. SO, THANK YOU. UH, I WILL SPARE YOU THESE SLIDES. I ALWAYS KEEP THESE IN UPFRONT, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW WHERE THE PROPERTY IS, UH, AND WHAT IT IS ZONED. ACTUALLY, I'LL BACK UP JUST ONE. OH, THAT'S GOING THE WRONG WAY. THERE WE GO. SO, UM, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS COUNSEL, AS YOU KNOW, UH, PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT THE PROJECT HAS, HAS GONE THROUGH SINCE IT WAS LAST IN FRONT OF THIS BODY IN, IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR, UH, IS FURTHER PUSHING THIS TOWARDS A, A MORE APPROPRIATE BALANCE OF WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING IN PUBLIC BENEFIT. AND BY THAT, I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE MADE A FEW FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE PLAN WITHOUT CHANGING THE PLAN. AND BY THAT, I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN WHAT WE HAD, WE'VE TAKEN THE, THE OVERALL BUILDING FOOTPRINTS, WE'VE TAKEN THE OVERALL SITE, THE PLAN THAT WE'VE HAD, AND WE'VE EXTRACTED, UH, MORE BENEFIT OUT OF IT AND REDUCED ITS IMPACT. AND WE DID THAT BY MODIFYING SOME OF THE HOTEL FLOOR PLANS TO TAKE THE NORTH WING, WHICH WOULD BE THE MIDDLE OF THOSE THREE WINGS, UH, AND REDUCE THAT ONE FROM 34 TO 24 GUEST ROOMS. AND WE KIND OF KILLED TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE WITH THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE. BECAUSE ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD HEARD, UM, FROM ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY BACK IN MARCH, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY A, A, AN ASTUTE AN AFFAIR OBSERVATION, UH, WAS THAT IF, IF WE WERE GOING TO CLAIM THAT BY BRINGING NEW LODGING TO SEDONA, THAT WE WERE COMPETING WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS, YOU KNOW, SUPPRESSING THE, UH, DEMAND FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THEN WE NEEDED MORE UNITS THAT FUNCTIONED IN A SIMILAR WAY AND HAD A, AND HAD SIMILAR OFFERINGS TO WHAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS DO. AND SO, UH, WE TOOK WHAT AMOUNTED TO 20 REGULAR GUEST ROOMS AND TURNED THOSE INTO 10 LARGER SUITES. UH, SO THESE ARE SUITES WITH BEDROOMS, WITH KITCHENETTES THAT, YOU KNOW, A, A FAMILY COULD STAY IN. THEY WILL ACTUALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A COMMENSURATE AMOUNT OF ATTRACTIVENESS AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, WHILE ALSO OFFERING SORT OF THE MORE TRADITIONAL AMENITIES OF A HOTEL THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS CAN OFFER. AND HOPEFULLY, UH, YOU KNOW, IS A MODEL FOR, FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN SEDONA THAT BRINGS PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE VISITING OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND INTO HOTELS, WHICH IS WHERE THEY SHOULD BE. UH, AND ALONG WITH THAT, WE'VE INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING FROM 40 TO 46 UNITS. WE DID THAT, UH, REALLY THROUGH TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. ONE, THROUGH FLOOR PLANS AND, AND THE OTHER JUST THROUGH THE ADVICE OF YOUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT. UH, SO AFTER THE LAST MEETING, WE SAT DOWN WITH HOUSING AND WE SHOWED THEM OUR PRO FORMA. WE SAID, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA COST US TO BUILD THIS. THIS IS WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE NUMBER OF UNITS WE THINK WE CAN MANAGE. NOW THAT BEING 40 INSTEAD OF 46, WHAT ARE THE A MI PERCENTAGES AND THE UNIT MIX THAT WILL ACTUALLY SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE OF SEDONA? BECAUSE CLEARLY WE MISSED THE MARK THE LAST TIME AROUND. SO, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT WE KNOW THE FINANCIALS TO BE. WORK WITH US TO FIND OUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT SWEET SPOT IS FOR THOSE A MI PERCENTAGES AND FOR THAT UNIT MIX. AND WE GOT A PRO FORMA BACK, UH, THAT, AND I'M, I, I'VE GOT A, A, A TABLE IN HERE THAT IS ACTUALLY PULLED DIRECTLY FROM THE PROFORMA THAT STAFF HAD PROVIDED US OF THOSE A MI PERCENTAGES AND, UH, UNIT MIX. AND THAT'S WHAT WE RAN WITH. WE, WE, WE, UH, BASICALLY JUST WHOLE WHOLESALE ADOPTED IT BECAUSE IT, IT WORKED FOR US, IT WORKED FOR THE CITY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WENT WITH. UM, SO NOW WE HAVE 46 INSTEAD OF 40 WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS. UM, AN ADDED BENEFIT OF THAT, WHICH I'LL GET TO IN A SECOND, IS THAT THE REDUCTION IN GUEST ROOMS WAS GREATER THAN THE ADDITION OF WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, UH, OUR PARKING DEMAND ACTUALLY WENT DOWN. AND SO, INSTEAD OF NEEDING 193 SPACES, UH, PER OUR PARKING STUDY, WE NOW NEED 188 SPACES WHILE STILL PROVIDING THE SAME AMOUNT OF PARKING ON SITE. SO NOW WE END UP WITH A LARGER OVERALL PARKING SURPLUS. SO OUTREACH, SO FROM MAY TO AUGUST OF THIS YEAR, WHICH I KNOW, UH, ALL OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR ARE FAMILIAR WITH. 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT EACH OF YOU ATTENDED AT LEAST ONE, AND SEVERAL OF YOU ATTENDED MORE THAN ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. SO FROM, FROM MAY TO AUGUST, WE HAD FIVE MEETINGS. WE HAD FOUR IN PERSON, UH, AND ONE VIRTUAL MEETING. AND REALLY THE IDEA WAS WE WANTED TO CREATE AS MANY AND, AND SORT OF, AND AS VARIED OF OPPORTUNITIES AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE WE CAN MAXIMIZE OUR PARTICIPATION. UH, AND AS SOMEONE SUGGESTED, UH, I ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND I LOOKED AT OUR SIGN-IN [01:25:01] SHEETS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK A SORT OF A HEADCOUNT OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE. THE SIGN-IN SHEETS DON'T ACCURATELY REFLECT THAT BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T SIGN IN. UH, BUT WE SORT OF GAVE, UH, THE, THE HEADCOUNT NUMBERS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WE SAW THERE. SO I COULD ONLY GO OFF OF WHAT I HAD. I HAD ON THE SIGN IN SHEETS. THERE WERE MORE PEOPLE THERE THAN THE SIGN IN SHEETS REFLECTED. BUT I STILL COMPARED THAT TO OUR MAILING LIST TO SEE KIND OF WHAT OUR CAPTURE RATE WAS, HOW MUCH OF THE COMMUNITY WAS RESPONDING TO THE LETTERS THAT WE SENT, UH, FOR ANYONE WHO CAME TO ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, TO THE EMAILS WE SENT. 'CAUSE WE SENT AN EMAIL ALONG WITH A LETTER IF THEY HAD SIGNED UP AT A PREVIOUS MEETING AND GIVEN US AN EMAIL ADDRESS. UH, AND IT AMOUNTED TO, UH, APPROXIMATELY 35% OF THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD ATTENDED AT LEAST ONE OF THE MEETINGS. UH, WHICH FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS AS MANY OUT OF TOWN MAILING ADDRESSES AS THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD DOES, THAT'S A PRETTY EX EXTRAORDINARY, UH, RATE OF PARTICIPATION. I MEAN, THAT'S, WE DON'T EVEN SEE THAT IN SOME OF THE LARGER PROJECTS WE DO, UH, IN THE VALLEY. SO THERE WAS A PRETTY HIGH RATE OF PARTICIPATION FROM THE AMOUNT OF LETTERS, WHICH WAS THREE TOTAL LETTERS, PLUS ALL THE EMAILS THAT WE SENT OUT. SO WE HAD, UH, WHAT AMOUNTED TO THREE BACK TO BACK MEETINGS WITH, UH, ONE WEEK SKIPPED FOR LABOR DAY FROM MAY, FROM MAY TO MAY 20TH TO JUNE 10TH, FOLLOWED BY ABOUT A MONTH LATER, A VIRTUAL MEETING TO KIND OF CATCH UP AND EXPLAIN WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IN THE PROCESS. AND THEN SORT OF A FINAL WRAP UP MEETING ON AUGUST 21ST. AND THE MEETING ON AUGUST 21ST, AGAIN, TO TRY AND CAPTURE AS MUCH OF THAT PARTICIPATION AS POSSIBLE WAS BOTH AN IN-PERSON MEETING AND A VIRTUAL MEETING. AND SO PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO LOG IN AND OBSERVE THE MEETING, UH, IN ADDITION TO PARTICIPATING IN PERSON. UH, AND EACH OF THOSE MEETINGS LASTED ABOUT TWO TO THREE HOURS. SO IT WAS A VERY ROBUST, UH, CONVERSATION. WE ALSO HAD A NUMBER OF ONE-ON-ONE CALLS AND VIRTUAL MEETINGS WITH PEOPLE WHO, UH, HAD REACHED OUT INDIVIDUALLY, WHO WERE UNABLE TO ATTEND ANY OF THE MEETINGS. UH, ANYONE WHO REACHED OUT TO US, WHO WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND AND WANTED INFORMATION. WE MADE THOSE MEETINGS HAPPEN. UM, A WIDE RANGE OF TOPICS WERE DISCUSSED, PARKING, BUILDING, HEIGHTENED PRIVACY, TRAFFIC NOISE, LANDSCAPING, UH, PET MANAGEMENT, UH, AND LIGHTING. UH, AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, UH, THE CHANGES I'M GONNA GET INTO ON THESE NEXT SLIDES, UH, WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE SITE PLANS, THE SITE PLAN, AND THE FLOOR PLANS TO REFLECT SOME OF THE INPUT THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, BOTH, UH, FROM THE COUNCIL, BUT THEN ALSO FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND JUST TO TOUCH ON, UH, WHAT MS. MEYER SAID EARLIER, WHICH I HAVE YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PACKET, UH, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO, UH, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, KIND OF SYNC UP BETWEEN, UH, SOME OF THE PLAN SHEETS. AND THIS IS REALLY A FUNCTION OF THE FACT THAT, UH, BECAUSE THE CITY'S SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS ARE SO DETAILED, AND THEN THERE'S SO MANY MOVING PARTS, WE HAVE, I THINK, 64 PAGES OF PLAN SHEETS WITH THE SUBMITTAL SET AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALLOWED ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT BEFORE WE FINALIZED THOSE PLANS. BECAUSE WE WANTED, WE DIDN'T WANT TO START TO GET SOME INPUT, MAKE ALL OF OUR CHANGES, GO THROUGH SEVERAL ROUNDS OF INTERNAL EDITS AND REVIEWS, AND THEN SUBMIT IT BEFORE WE WERE ACTUALLY DONE WITH THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. AND SO THERE WERE SEVERAL, SEVERAL MEETINGS THAT OCCURRED BEFORE WE ACTUALLY FINISHED FINALIZING THE PLANS. AND AT THAT POINT, WE WERE IN A RACE AGAINST THE CLOCK, AND THERE WERE SOME MINOR DETAILS THAT DID GET MISSED, BUT THEY ARE THINGS THAT, AS CARRIE POINTED OUT, UH, CAN BE CLEANED UP THROUGH PERMIT REVIEW. UH, AND IT'S, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE IF WE DON'T FIX THESE THINGS, UH, WHICH AGAIN, THERE NONE OF THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE ARE ULTIMATELY MATERIAL TO THE OVERALL PROJECT. THERE WON'T BE ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES MADE AS A RESULT. UH, BUT IF WE DON'T MAKE THESE CLERICAL CORRECTIONS, WE WON'T GET PERMITS. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE MORE CLARIFICATION ON EXACTLY HOW THESE ARE GOING TO BE CORRECTED AND WHAT WILL BE CORRECTED AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED, OUR ARCHITECT, MIKE KRE IS HERE, UH, TO ADDRESS THOSE IF YOU WOULD LIKE. SO AS I NOTED, FIRST THING IS JUST A REDUCTION FROM 110 TO A HUNDRED HOTEL ROOMS. SO THIS IS THE NORTH WING IN ITS PREVIOUS FORMAT. THIS IS THE NORTH WING IN ITS CURRENT FORMAT. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, PARTICULARLY ON THE TOP, THESE TURN INTO MUCH LARGER PREMIUM SUITES AS, AS OPPOSED TO NORMAL SIZED GUEST ROOMS. SO AGAIN, BOTH REDUCING THE OVERALL NUMBER OF HOTEL ROOMS, BUT THEN ALSO MAKING A PRODUCT TYPE THAT IS, UH, WILL ACTUALLY COMPETE WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS AND, AND HOPEFULLY SORT OF SUPPRESS SOME OF THAT DEMAND. UH, WE REMOVED THE, UH, HOT TUBS THAT WERE ON THE BALCONIES. I THOUGHT WE'D REMOVED THEM BEFORE I, I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSPOKE. THAT WAS, AGAIN, A CLEANUP ITEM. UH, BUT WE DID REMOVE THOSE BALCONY HOT TUBS THAT WERE IN THE, ON THE, THE NORTH END OF SOME OF THE HOTEL ROOMS. UH, WE INCREASED THE WORKFORCE HOUSING FROM 40 TO 46. SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE MULTIFAMILY SOUTH IN ITS PREVIOUS FORMAT, UH, WE WHERE WE HAD A NUMBER OF LARGER TWO BEDROOM UNITS. AND NOW YOU SEE, UH, MANY OF THOSE HAVE BEEN, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, BIFURCATED, UH, WHERE WE'VE TAKEN A LARGER TWO BEDROOM FLOOR PLAN AND, AND BROKEN IT UP INTO TWO ONE BEDROOM FLOOR PLANS. UH, SO NOW, UH, WE HAVE A MIX OF 24 STUDIOS, 16 ONE BEDROOMS AND SIX TWO BEDROOMS, WHICH FRANKLY IS JUST A BETTER ALL OVER, UH, BETTER OVERALL UNIT MIX FOR SORT OF REFLECTS WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS ARE. WE USED TO HAVE, I THINK, 12 TWO BEDROOM UNITS, WHICH WE WERE VERY TOP HEAVY ON A PRODUCT [01:30:01] TYPE, UH, THAT THERE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN QUITE ENOUGH DEMAND FOR. SO ULTIMATELY, UH, IT'S A BETTER REFLECTION OF THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. UH, WE REDUCED THE SECOND LEVEL COMMON AREAS FOR BOTH MULTIFAMILY SOUTH BUILDING CLUSTERS. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP. AND, AND ONE OF THE, UM, RESIDENTS THAT YOU'LL HEAR FROM, UH, POINTED THIS OUT ON PAGE 53 IN ONE OF THE ELEVATIONS. THERE IS, UH, THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF THE, UH, DECK, AND I'LL JUST POINT IT OUT HERE. SO THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW WHERE IT'S BEEN PULLED BACK ABOUT 20 FEET. THIS IS NOW A WINDOW INSTEAD OF A DOOR. UH, BUT THE ELEVATION STILL SHOWS THAT OLDER EXTENDED DECK THAT WENT OUT TO HERE. AND IF I BACK UP, YOU CAN SEE, OH, HOLD ON. YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE, WHERE THAT BALCONY OR THAT DECK ON THE UPPER LEVEL WAS EXTENDED OUT. SO THE ELEVATION STILL SHOWS THE OLD VERSION OF THAT, BUT THERE ARE PAGES 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, AND 52 THAT SHOW IT IN THE CORRECT CONFIGURATION. SO IT'S SIMPLY CHANGING PAGE 53 ELEVATION TO MATCH. THANK YOU. UH, BUT THAT WAS A SPECIFIC CONCERN OF SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WAS THAT WE HAD THESE UPPER, UH, COMMON AREA DECKS IN MULTIFAMILY SOUTH THAT WERE TOO CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO WE PULLED THEM BACK, UH, A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT IN, IN THE CASE OF THIS ONE, PROBABLY ABOUT 20 FEET, UH, TO WHERE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY EXTENDING PAST THE WALLS AND IS NOW SIGNIFICANTLY RECEDED, UH, WITHIN THE WALLS. UH, SIMILARLY, THIS ONE OVER HERE EXTENDED OUT PRETTY FAR OVER TO HERE. AND WE PULLED THIS ONE BACK. UH, AND THEN AT THE SPECIFIC REQUEST OF ONE OF THE RESIDENTS, WE, AND YOU CAN SEE IT HERE, UH, WHERE IS IT? HOLD ON. SO THE PLANTER WALL PREVIOUSLY ENDED THERE FOR AN EAST FACING DECK. UH, THERE WAS A REQUEST THAT WE EXTEND THIS PLANTER WALL SO THAT IT FULLY SCREENS THE EAST FACING BALCONY. SO NOW YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT'S, WE'VE, WE'VE PULLED THAT SCREEN WALL A LITTLE BIT FARTHER EAST SO THAT IT FULLY SCREENS THAT EAST FACING BALCONY. UH, SOME SITE WIDE PLAN UPDATES. SO FIRST REMOVAL OF THE BIKE RACKS. THERE WAS A, A SERIES OF FIVE BIKE RACKS CLOSEST TO SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE. SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WERE CONCERNED THAT THAT WOULD LEAD TO MORE, UH, GUESTS RIDING THEIR BIKES IN THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE SIMPLY REMOVED THOSE. UH, THERE WAS, I WOULD SAY, PRETTY MUCH UNANIMOUS SENTIMENT AMONG THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY ACROSS THE FIVE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD NOT TO EXTEND OUR SIDEWALK SOUTH TO VALLEY VIEW DRIVE. THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THE CFA. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD DONE AT STAFF'S DIRECTION. UH, WE ARE TAKING THE POSITION THAT IF, IF IT'S WHAT THE CITY WANTS, WE'LL BUILD IT. IF IT'S WHAT THE, IF THE CITY DOESN'T WANT IT, IF THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT IT, THEN WE'LL TAKE IT OUT. AND SO, AT LEAST AS IT STANDS FOR NOW, WE'VE TAKEN IT OUT. SO THAT INDICATION ON THE SITE PLAN THAT SHOWED IT INDI MOVING FARTHER SOUTH, HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE SITE PLAN. UH, WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE ADDED A NOTE FOR SOME SCREENING ON THE WEST PORTION OF THE GROUND FLOOR OUTDOOR DINING AREA. UM, THAT CAN ULTIMATELY CAN TAKE THE FORM OF TREES. IT COULD TAKE THE FORM OF A SCREEN WALL. UH, IT, THIS WAS A, A NOTE THAT WAS ADDED IN RESPONSE TO, AGAIN, UH, SOME CONCERNS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT, BECAUSE THAT RESTAURANT, GROUND FLOOR OUTDOOR DINING AREA WAS OPEN BETWEEN TWO OF THE BUILDINGS AND THERE WAS NOTHING SCREENING IT FROM SORT OF SOUND AND LIGHT MOVING SOUTH, UH, THAT WE ADD SOME SCREENING THERE. SO WE'VE ADDED A NOTE THERE THAT SOME TYPE OF SCREENING, UH, WILL BE INCLUDED. AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S A HEDGE ROW OR A FENCE OR WALL, UH, WE'VE ADDED A DOG PARK SLASH DOG RELIEF AREA BETWEEN THE NORTH AND EAST WINGS OF THE HOTEL. UH, THE, THE OXFORD SUITES ARE PET FRIENDLY HOTELS, WHICH WE'LL GET INTO, UH, IN THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. UH, BUT IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE SAFEGUARDS THAT WE'RE ADDING IN BOTH THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, JUST ONE MORE THING TO TRY AND KEEP FOLKS WHO WOULD BE BRINGING THEIR DOGS TO THIS HOTEL FROM WALKING THEIR DOGS IN THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY, UH, WE'VE ADDED A DOG PARK THAT WILL INCLUDE PER THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY, UH, A, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR HERE? SORT OF A WASTE STATION. WE HAVE A WASTE BASKET, DOG CLEANUP BAGS, ALL, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. UH, WE'VE ADDED A NO LEFT TURN LO LOCAL TRAFFIC ONLY SIGN AT THE SADDLE ROCK EXIT. AGAIN, JUST TO DISCOURAGE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC FROM LEAVING AT THE SADDLE ROCK EXIT AND TURNING SOUTH. WE'VE SIMILARLY ADDED DIRECT A NOTE FOR DIRECTIONAL SIGNING FOR NO RIGHT TURN, NOT A THROUGH STREET ON ELK ROAD TO SIMILARLY STOP PEOPLE FROM, UH, MAKING A RIGHT TURN ONTO ELK ROAD AND CUTTING THROUGH THE ELKS LODGE PARKING LOT. THIS IS ACTUALLY ALREADY A PROBLEM. AND SO, UH, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MITIGATE THAT AND, AND DIRECT TRAFFIC BACK TO 89 A RATHER THAN CUTTING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT TO AIRPORT ROAD, UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO. UH, SO IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE'VE, WE'VE ADDED A BUNCH, AND THIS WAS, AGAIN, THIS WAS A STIPULATION FROM, FROM THE, I THINK FROM THE P AND Z APPROVAL. UH, JUST SO WE ADD A BUNCH OF THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMITMENTS THAT WERE IN THE NARRATIVE, THINGS THAT WE PRESENTED IN PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, JUST SO WE ADDED THEM AS A, A, AN ENFORCEABLE REGULATORY ELEMENT OF THE OVERALL PROJECTS. WE'VE ADDED THOSE TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. UH, AND ACTUALLY THAT'S ONE OF [01:35:01] THE THINGS THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. SO WE WE'RE REQUESTING A FEW ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS THAT WOULD ADD SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. UH, JUST SOME THINGS THAT, AGAIN, WE'VE PRESENTED THAT WE JUST WANT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, FURTHER MAKE THAT COMMITMENT EXPLICIT. SO, UH, FIRST BEING THAT WE WOULD BUILD THE PROJECT TO A LEAD SILVER STANDARD. UH, SECOND, THE SOLAR PANELS, THAT WOULD BE ON THE PARKING STRUCTURE, PARKING CANOPIES, UH, AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE SOLAR READY WITH THE APPROPRIATE SUPPORT STRUCTURES, CONDUIT, INJUNCTION BOXES, UH, PERMEABLE PAVING ON ALL OF THE INTERNAL WALKWAYS, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING, UH, BUILDING 10, 10 CHARGING STATIONS PLUS 20 EV READY SPACES. UH, AND THEN ALSO INCLUDING LEAK DI DEVICE, UH, LEAK DETECTION DEVICES ON ALL OF THE, UH, WATER SUPPLY LINES. UH, SO FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE'VE, AGAIN, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF STAFF STIPULATIONS FROM THE P AND Z OR FROM THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPROVAL, UH, ADDING A, A STRUCTURE TO OUR PARKING PROPOSAL TO ENSURE THAT IN THE EVENT THAT IT DOESN'T WORK OUT THE WAY THAT WE'VE SAID IT'S GOING TO WORK AS FAR AS THE RESTAURANT AND THE ROOFTOP LOUNGE HAVING 50% PUBLIC SEATING, UH, THAT THERE'S AN ENFORCEABLE MECHANISM IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT THE WAY THAT WE THINK IT'S GOING TO WORK OUT. AND SO, A YEAR AFTER, UH, WE GET A C OF O WE NEED TO DO A PARKING SURVEY. AND IF DURING THAT PARKING SURVEY THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO DAYS, UH, WHERE THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT IS FULL, THAT KICKS US INTO A CURE PERIOD WHERE WE HAVE SIX MONTHS TO FIX IT. WHETHER THAT MEANS GETTING OFFSITE, ADDITIONAL OFFSITE PARKING, HIRING A FULL-TIME PARKING MANAGER. UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF AVENUES WE COULD EXPLORE, ONE OF WHICH WE'RE ACTUALLY EXPLORING RIGHT NOW. UH, AND WE'VE HAD SOME PRELIMINARY TALKS WITH THE ELKS LODGE ABOUT RENTING SOME OF THEIR SERVICE PARKING FOR OFFSITE PARKING. UH, THAT PARKING LOT IS EMPTY MOST OF THE TIME. UH, AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE SLOW GETTING THE CONVERSATIONS GOING, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE ULTIMATELY, UH, FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE YOUR APPROVAL TODAY, UH, THOSE CONVERSATIONS WON'T STOP. IT'S, IT'S JUST A NO BRAINER THAT IF WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK, THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT SAFETY VALVE FOR SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING. BUT NONETHELESS, IF AFTER THAT SIX MONTH PERIOD, WE STILL HAVEN'T CURED THE PROBLEM, AND THERE'S, WE HAVE ANOTHER 14 DAY PARKING SURVEY WHERE THERE ARE TWO DAYS WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS FULL, WE IMMEDIATELY HAVE TO CUT PUBLIC SEATING AVAILABILITY IN BOTH THE RESTAURANT AND THE ROOFTOP LOUNGE TO 25%. IF AFTER ANOTHER 90 DAYS WE DO ANOTHER PARKING SURVEY, AND IT'S STILL A PROBLEM, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK IS AN INTESTINAL POSS POSSIBILITY, BUT IF THAT OCCURS, WE IMMEDIATELY HAVE TO GO FROM THAT TO SHUTTING DOWN ALL PUBLIC AVAILABILITY TO BOTH THE RESTAURANT AND THE ROOFTOP LOUNGE. UH, AND FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM OUR PARKING NUMBERS, THERE'S NO WAY IN WHICH COMPLETELY ELIMINATING BOTH THE RESTAURANT AND ROOFTOP LOUNGE, PUBLIC SEATING WOULDN'T GIVE US ENOUGH PARKING. 'CAUSE AGAIN, EVEN AS IT STANDS TODAY, WE HAVE 28 ADDITIONAL SPACES THAT WOULD FREE UP DOZENS OF ADDITIONAL SPACES. UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE AGREEING THAT ALL 46 UNITS ARE COMMITTED TO INCOME QUALIFIED RENT RESTRICTED WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR A MINIMUM OF 50 YEARS, OR FOR AS LONG AS THIS IS A HOTEL. SO IT'S A MINIMUM 50 YEAR COMMITMENT. BUT IF WE ARE OPERATING THIS AS A HOTEL AFTER THAT, THEN THESE COMMITMENTS CONTINUE TO STAY IN PLACE. UH, ATTACHED TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS A HOUSING PLAN. UH, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT REQUESTED OF US, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DID VOLUNTARILY BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS AS A WAY OF SORT OF FURTHER MAKING THOSE COMMITMENTS EXPLICIT. AND SO THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THE SCREENING CRITERIA, SO RENT OR CREDIT CHECK, CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK, UH, ASSETS, RENTAL HISTORY, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE, UH, AND SOME OF THE TERMS THAT STAFF HAD, UH, REQUESTED THAT WE ADD TO THAT ONE OF WHICH, OR ALL OF WHICH WE WERE HAPPY TO INCLUDE. BUT ONE OF WHICH I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF ANYWAYS, WHICH I THINK IS A REALLY GOOD THING TO HAVE IN THERE. UH, WHICH IS THAT, UH, EVERY OTHER UNIT THAT BECOMES AVAILABLE, UH, WE ARE GIVING PRIORITY TO, AND I BELIEVE THE TERM, AND KURT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, IS A QUALIFIED RESIDENT. I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT LANGUAGE OF THE TERM, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT MEANS IS, IS SOMEBODY WHO IS, UH, A SEDONA RESIDENT WHO IS EITHER EMPLOYED OR HAS A VALID OFFER OF EMPLOYMENT. AND SO IF WE HAVE, THE ONLY WAY IN WHICH THIS BECOMES, UH, A THING I SHOULD SAY IS IF WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE APPLICATION FOR A PARTICULAR UNIT, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WITH FEDERAL FOR HOUSING LAWS, WE CAN'T TURN AWAY A QUALIFIED APPLICANT. BUT IF WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE QUALIFIED APPLICANT AND ONE'S A SEDONA RESIDENT AND ONE'S ISN'T, ONE IS NOT, WE CAN GIVE PRIORITY TO THE SEDONA RESIDENT. UH, WE'VE ADDED A NUMBER OF THINGS TO THE, AND ACTUALLY, SORRY, THIS IS A REMNANT FROM AN OLD PRESENTATION THAT SHOULD BE 90 DAYS, NOT 30 DAYS. THE MINIMUM LEASE TERM IS 90 DAYS. WE'VE ADDED A NUMBER OF LEASE TERMS, UH, IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE TO INCLUDE IN EVERY LEASE. SOME OF THEM, UH, AT STAFF SUGGESTIONS, SOME THAT WE ARE ADDING VOLUNTARILY BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. JUST ADDITIONAL SAFEGUARDS, UH, TO ENSURE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS OPERATING THE WAY THAT WE WANT IT TO. UH, SO, UH, TENANTS AND GUESTS, TENANTS AND GUESTS OF TENANTS SHALL NOT PARK IN THE SADDLE ROCK HOMES NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY'RE PUBLIC STREETS. SO THE CITY CAN'T PROHIBIT IT, BUT WE CAN, UH, BECAUSE IF WE'RE PUTTING THIS IN A, UH, IN A LEASE AGREEMENT, IT IS ENFORCEABLE THROUGH US THAT IF WE FIND OUT THAT ANY OF OUR TENANTS [01:40:01] ARE, OR ANY GUESTS OF OUR TENANTS ARE PARKING THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY ARE IN BREACH OF THEIR LEASE. UH, WE ARE ALSO INCLUDING LANGUAGE THAT TENANTS MUST KEEP THE BALCONY AND PATIO FREE OF GARBAGE AND DEBRIS, NO PERSONAL PROPERTY, UH, LAUNDRY FLAGS, BARBECUES, UH, IMPORTANTLY ANY AMPLIFIED MUSIC. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE, WE HAD A LOT OF VERY ROBUST DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT, UH, WAS NOISE. AND WHETHER THAT'S NOISE FROM THE HOTEL OR NOISE FROM THE MULTIFAMILY, JUST FINDING DIFFERENT STRATEGIES TO MITIGATE THE POSSIBILITY THAT NOISE WOULD BECOME AN ISSUE. ONE OF THEM BEING, UH, ENSURING THAT NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC WHATSOEVER CAN OCCUR ON THE BALCONIES, WILL ALSO HAVE QUIET HOURS FOR THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS FROM 9:00 PM TO 8:00 AM DAILY, 365 DAYS A YEAR. UH, AND DURING THESE TIMES, TENANTS AGREE NOT TO OPERATE STEREOS, RADIOS, TELEVISIONS, MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS IN A MANNER THAT DISTURBS OTHER TENANTS OR NEIGHBORS CREATE OR ALLOW NOISE, OR ANY ACTIVITY THAT DISTURBS OTHER TENANTS OR NEIGHBORS LOUD TALKING OR NOISE EMANATING FROM THE UNIT THAT CAN BE HEARD OUTSIDE OF THE UNIT. AND AGAIN, NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC OR AUDIO SOURCE PERMITTED ON THE BALCONIES OR PATIOS AT ANY TIME. UH, WE ARE PROHIBITING, UH, DOGS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SERVICE ANIMALS, UH, FROM UH, BEING, UH, I DUNNO IF YOU CALL 'EM RESIDENTS, UH, PEOPLE CAN'T HAVE DOGS, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. UM, UH, ANY OTHER ANIMAL'S FINE, BUT, UH, NO DOGS UNLESS THEY'RE SERVICE ANIMALS. AND I SHOULD SAY, SORRY, I'LL BACK UP. SO WHERE WE LANDED ON THE UNIT MIX IS, UH, 12 STUDIOS AT 80% OF A MI EIGHT ONE BEDROOMS AT 80% OF A MI 12 STUDIOS AT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF A MI 12 STUDIOS AT, OR EIGHT UNITS, EIGHT ONE BEDROOMS AT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF A MI THREE TWO BEDROOMS AT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF A MI AND, UH, THREE, TWO BEDROOMS AT 120% OF A MI. AND THERE WAS SOME REQUEST, UH, THAT WE SHOW WITH THEM ACTUALLY MEANS IN TERMS OF RENT, AND WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A ANOTHER SLIDE. OTHER THINGS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, LIMITING HOURS FOR TRASH AND DELIVERY PICKUPS. UH, THIS WAS A REQUEST THAT WE MIRROR WHAT CVS HAD DONE. WE ACTUALLY FURTHER RESTRICTED THAT 'CAUSE CVS WAS RUNNING A LITTLE BIT LATER. I THINK IT WAS 10:00 PM BUT SINCE OUR QUIET HOURS START AT 9:00 PM IT'S JUST EASIER TO HAVE IT ALL START AT THE SAME TIME. SO WE WENT AN HOUR EARLIER, NO TRASH OR DELIVERIES AFTER 9:00 PM UH, THE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC MITIGATION. SO IN ADDITION TO, SO SHOWING IT ON THE SITE PLAN, WE MADE A DETERMINE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ADD THE, THAT SIGNAGE, THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY CONTRIBUTION THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS IS A TERM WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND THEN WE GET TO THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY. AND THIS IS WHERE I WOULD SAY THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE, THE INPUT, UH, AND THE, UH, UH, I GUESS ACCOMMODATIONS THAT WE MET ON BEHALF OF THE NEIGHBORS IS REFLECTED IS WITHIN THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY. AND, AND NOW, UH, AS, AS I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN IN YOUR PACKET, AND, AND KURT HAS TOLD YOU THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SO IT IS JUST AS ENFORCEABLE AS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ITSELF, UH, THE FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT OF THOSE ITEMS BEING, UM, THE DESIGNATED CONTACT. AND SO, ONCE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS ISSUED FOR THIS PROJECT, WE WILL HAVE TO UPDATE THIS GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY TO INCLUDE BOTH, UH, UH, DURING BUSINESS HOURS CONTACT AND AN AFTER HOURS CONTACT, BOTH WITH A PHONE NUMBER AND AN EMAIL ADDRESS, UH, SO THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY, IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, UH, HAVE SOMEONE ON THE OTHER END WHO'S GONNA PICK UP THE PHONE AND ANSWER THEIR EMAIL, UH, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE. SO ONCE WE GET A C OF O, THOSE PEOPLE ARE DESIGNATED A COPY OF THIS POLICY. WITH THAT UPDATED CONTACT INFORMATION WILL BE DISTRIBUTED VIA MAIL TO EVERYONE IN THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY. UH, IN ADDITION TO ANYONE WHO HAS PREVIOUSLY GIVEN US, GIVEN US AN EMAIL ADDRESS, WILL GET A DIGITAL COPY AS WELL. AND A COPY WILL BE PROVIDED TO STAFF, UH, TO UPDATE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. NOISE MITIGATION, UH, WE'RE AGREEING TO SEESAW ROOFTOP ROOFTOP ACTIVITY AT 9:00 PM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK DURING OPERATIONAL HOURS. NO LIVE MUSIC OR DJ AT ANY TIME. PRERECORDED MUSIC ONLY, UH, VIA THE HOTEL'S PERMANENT SPEAKER SYSTEM. SO NO PORTABLE PAS, UH, OR PORTABLE SPEAKER SYSTEMS AT VOL VOLUME LEVELS COMPLIANT WITH SEDONA CITY CODE. UH, FINALLY, AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY CAME OUTTA THE VERY LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD ON AUGUST 21ST, UH, FROM MARK AND CHERYL BAILEY, WHO ARE ONE OF THE HOME, OR WHO ARE THE RESIDENTS WHO ACTUALLY LIVE CLOSEST TO OUR, THE, THE PARKING LOT IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY WHERE OUR TWO BUS SPACES ARE. AND THEY HAD EXPRESSED A CONCERN THAT WHEN WE HAVE, UM, TOUR BUSES PARKED ON THE PROPERTY, THAT IF THEY'RE IDLING FOR INORDINATE PERIODS OF TIME, THAT COULD PRODUCE BOTH, UH, DIESEL FUMES AND SOUND THAT IS, UH, UNDESIRABLE. AND SO I LOOKED AROUND FOR EXAMPLES OF WHERE THIS HAS BEEN LIMITED BEFORE AND HOW EXACTLY WE LIMIT IT. UH, MARICOPA COUNTY'S DEPARTMENT OF EN ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, UH, HAS A RESTRICTION TO THAT EFFECT. AND WE JUST MIRRORED THAT RESTRICTION, WHICH SAYS THAT OVER A 60 MINUTE PERIOD, YOU CAN'T ILE FOR MORE THAN 30 MINUTES. OVER A 90 MINUTE PERIOD, YOU CAN'T IDLE FOR MORE THAN 60 MINUTES. UH, AND REALLY THAT'S JUST, SORRY, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE 16 TO 90 MINUTES. THAT'S ONLY WHEN THE TEMPERATURE'S OVER 75 DEGREES. THE IDEA THERE BEING THAT WHEN IT GETS HOT ENOUGH, YOU NEED LONGER TO COOL THE BUS DOWN SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE GET ON IT, IT'S NOT A THOUSAND DEGREES IN THE BUS, UH, LANDSCAPE AND MAINTENANCE. AND SO, [01:45:01] UH, WE'RE INCLUDING SOME PROVISIONS THAT, AGAIN, THIS IS ALREADY MIRRORED IN, IN THE CITY CODE FOR THE MOST PART AS FAR AS MAINTAINING THE LANDSCAPING THAT WE HAVE. UH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF A LOT OF THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS MAKING SURE THAT OUR TREES DON'T GET SO TALL THAT THEY'RE WITH THE EXCEPTIONS OF THE ONES THAT WE'RE KEEPING THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, UH, THAT WE DON'T END UP BLOCKING MORE VIEWS. UH, AND SO ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE INCLUDED AS FAR AS REGULAR, THE CLEANUP AND MAINTENANCE INCLUDES HEIGHT. UH, SO THAT IF ANY POINT, UH, A NEIGHBOR, UH, EXPRESSES TO US THAT A TREE'S GROWN TOO, GROWN TOO TALL, IT'S BLOCKING THEIR VIEW FOR THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY, WE NEED TO TRIM IT BACK SO THAT THAT IS NO LONGER A PROBLEM. UH, CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD COMMITTED TO DOING WAS NOTIFYING ALL OF OUR COMMERCIAL DRIVERS, TRASH PICKUP, UH, ANYONE WHO'S DRIVING WITH A-C-D-L-A COMMERCIAL, UH, DRIVER'S LICENSE, UH, THAT THEY ALSO NOT CUT THROUGH THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO, AS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE COMMITTING TO IS, UH, NOTIFYING ALL OF OUR COMMERCIAL DRIVERS THAT THEY'RE NOT TO USE THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD FOR TRANSIT. SO THEY'RE TO GO TO AND FROM 89 A AND THAT'S IT. UM, THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK, SORRY, I JUMPED AHEAD OF MYSELF PARKING. SO AGAIN, IN ADDITION TO, FOR THE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCE, PROHIBITING THEM FROM PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, ALSO PROVIDING INFORMATION TO HOTEL GUESTS, BOTH DIGITALLY WHEN THEY RESERVE A ROOM, BUT THEN ALSO, UH, A HARD COPY UPON CHECK-IN, UH, THAT NEITHER THEY NOR THEIR GUESTS ARE TO PARK IN THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. JUST ADVISING THEM THERE TO USE OUR PARKING LOTS, UH, AND NOTHING ELSE. AND SIMILARLY, INCLUDING IN THE EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK LANGUAGE, PROHIBITING PARKING IN THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, AND IN THE EVENT, UH, THAT THERE'S STILL SOME TIME DOWN THE LINE, UH, THERE ARE RESIDENTS, OR SORRY, ARE, THERE IS OVERFLOW TRAFFIC FROM OUR PROJECT THAT IS PARKING THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TO THE DEGREE THAT NOW A PERMIT PARKING PROGRAM, UH, BECOMES VIABLE. UH, THEN WE'LL WORK WITH BOTH THE, THE NEIGHBORS AND STAFF TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. UH, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY GOING TO DO PROACTIVELY. UH, I HAD REACHED OUT TO, UH, YOUR CITY ENGINEER TO TALK ABOUT THAT, ABOUT WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO JUST INSTITUTE A PARKING, PARKING PERMIT PROGRAM FOR THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY. UH, NOW JUST AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION AND THE RESPONSE THAT I GOT, UH, WAS THAT BECAUSE OF THE CRITERIA IN THE LDC THAT EXISTS TO JUSTIFY PUTTING IN A PERMIT PARKING PROGRAM, YOU CAN REALLY ONLY DO IT ONCE. THERE'S A PROBLEM. THERE'S REALLY NOT A PROVISION WITHIN THE LDC THAT ALLOWS YOU TO DO IT PROSPECTIVELY OR PROACTIVELY. UH, AND SO BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT NOW PROACTIVELY BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PROBLEM NOW, WE'RE JUST SIMPLY PUTTING LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT IF IT DOES BECOME A PROBLEM SOMEDAY DOWN THE ROAD, WE'LL BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT THAT PRO THAT PROGRAM IS PUT IN PLACE. UH, PET MANAGEMENT, UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER THERE, IT WAS CONCERN THAT AS A RESULT OF THE BANEY FAMILY HOTELS BEING, UH, PET FRIENDLY, PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO, UH, REGISTER A ROOM AND BRING THEIR DOG, UH, THAT THAT WOULD LEAD TO MORE PEOPLE WALKING THEIR DOGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'VE JUST INCLUDED A NUMBER OF SAFEGUARDS TO ENSURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. THE FIRST BEING THE DOG PARK AND RELIEF AREA THAT I TALKED ABOUT. ADDITIONALLY, UPON CHECK-IN GUESTS WILL BE PROVIDED WITH INFORMATION, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT VANNEY ALREADY DO AT ALL 14 OF THEIR OTHER PROPERTIES. SO WHEN PEOPLE CHECK IN, UH, THEY'RE GIVEN INFORMATION ON LOCAL CODES AND ORDINANCES FOR ANIMAL WASTE, UH, CLEANUP AND LEASHING AND RESTRAINTS, LOCATIONS OF PUBLIC PARKS AND DOG PARKS NOTIFICATION, UH, THIS IS AN, THIS IS NOT AT THE OTHER ONES, UH, NOTIFICATION THAT THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD SHALL NOT BE USED FOR DOG WALKING. UH, BUT THEN ALSO THAT, UH, PEOPLE CANNOT LEAVE THEIR DOGS UNATTENDED IN HOTEL ROOMS. UH, AND ATTACHED TO THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED AT THIS HOTEL, WHICH IS ALREADY FOLLOWED AT ALL OF THE BANEY OTHER HOTELS, UH, IS THE OXFORD SUITES PET BEHAVIOR GUIDELINES, UH, WHICH IS A SHEET THAT IS GIVEN TO ANYONE WHO REGISTERS FOR A ROOM, UH, AND IS BRINGING THEIR DOG OF WHAT THEY ARE, WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE. UH, ALONG WITH THAT, TWO MORE THINGS. AND ON THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY. AND THEN, I PROMISE I'M DONE WITH THIS PART. THE, THE FIRST IS THE COMPLAINANT RESPONSE PROCEDURE. UH, SO THIS IS JUST SORT OF, UH, PUTTING IN EXPLICIT WRITING HOW EXACTLY THE, THE PROCEDURES WILL WORK. SO FIRST, GATHER AND GATHER CONTACT INFORMATION OF THE COMPLAINANT INVESTIGATE DOCUMENT, COMMUNICATE WITH THE IN PARTY AND WITH RESPECT TO NOISE COMPLAINTS, THE DESIGNATED CONTACT PERSON WILL RESPOND WITH AN INITIAL RESPONSE WITHIN ONE HOUR AND PROVIDE A FOLLOW-UP REPORT WITHIN TWO HOURS OF THE INITIAL COMPLAINT. AS I'M SURE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, PARTICULARLY AFTER HOURS NOISE, COMPLAINTS CARRY A LITTLE BIT MORE URGENCY THAN, UH, LANDSCAPING PERHAPS. AND SO THIS WAS, AGAIN, PART OF OUR BACK AND FORTH THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THAT WE NEEDED TO ATTACH A TIMEFRAME FOR RESPONSES, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO NOISE COMPLAINTS. UH, AND THEN FINALLY, UH, FOR THE AMENDMENT PROCESS, UH, AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY COUNCIL MEMBER KINSELLA HAD POINTED OUT AT THE LAST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, WAS THAT WE HADN'T PUT ANYTHING IN THERE FOR THE, THE PROCEDURES WE WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW TO AMEND THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY WRITTEN. THERE WAS NOTHING STOPPING US FROM AMENDING IT AT ANY TIME. AND THAT WASN'T INTENTIONAL. IT JUST WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE'D THOUGHT THROUGH. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ADDED TO THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY, UH, IS THE AMENDMENT PROCESS. AND SO IF WE WANT TO [01:50:01] CHANGE SOMETHING ABOUT THIS POLICY OTHER THAN THE DESIGNATED CONTACT PERSON, UH, FIRST WE'LL SUBMIT IT TO STAFF, UH, AND THEN WE WILL SEND A NOTICE LETTER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IF AFTER A 15 DAY PERIOD THERE HAS BEEN NO RESPONSE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, STAFF HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ADMINISTRATIVELY EITHER APPROVE OR DENY WHATEVER REQUEST WE ARE MAKING TO AMEND THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY. IF NEIGHBORS DO COMMENT AND THERE IS SOME CONCERN, AND WE RESOLVE THAT CONCERN, AND THE NEIGHBORS DOCUMENT THAT THAT CONCERN IS RESOLVED, RESOLVED STAFF STILL HAS THE ABILITY TO ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE THAT AMENDMENT. UH, IF WE ARE STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH REQUEST AND THERE IS STILL OPPOSITION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THAT REQUEST, IT HAS TO BE SCHEDULED WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UH, FOR REVIEW. AND THAT IS SIMPLY TO BUILD IN A PUBLIC PROCESS. IF THERE'S A, AN ELEMENT OF THIS GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO AMEND, THAT CANNOT BE RESOLVED AT THE STAFF LEVEL. UH, PARKING, I'LL BE QUICK WITH THIS 'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH IT. THE OVERALL NUMBER WAS REDUCED FROM 1 93 TO ONE TO 180 8 AS A RESULT OF THE FLOOR PLAN CHANGES, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROVIDES A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL SAFEGUARDS TO PREVENT OVERFLOW PARKING, UH, AND ADDITIONAL PARKING MITIGATION MEASURES IN THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, NOTHING NEW HERE. WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THESE, UH, WE'RE PUTTING A CONNECTOR ROAD THAT'S GONNA CREATE, UH, ACCESS TO THE SIGNAL AT 89 A AND AS A RESULT OF THE INPUT THAT WE GOT FROM THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WE'LL BE PUTTING IN A PORK CHOP, UH, AT SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE. THIS IS, UH, NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE ON OUR OWN. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ADOT IS REQUIRING ALONG WITH THIS PROJECT TO ACTUALLY MAKE SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE AND 89 A, A SAFER INTERSECTION, UH, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT IS SIMPLY A FULL MOVEMENT WHERE ANYBODY CAN TURN, UH, LEFT IN, LEFT OUT, RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. AND ACTUALLY, AS A RESULT OF THAT, RIGHT NOW, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THAT INTERSECTION FOR ANYBODY TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT OUT, UH, OR A RIGHT OUT IS ACTUALLY FAILING. BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S SUCH A NARROW STREET. IF ONE PERSON'S TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT AND FIVE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MAKE A RIGHT, EVERYONE SITTING BEHIND THAT PERSON HAS TO WAIT UNTIL THAT PERSON CAN MAKE A LEFT. AND SO, ACTUALLY, AS A RESULT OF PUTTING IN THE CONNECTOR ROAD TO THE SIGNAL AND ADDING THE PORK CHOP, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT THAT INTERSECTION DRAMATICALLY IMPROVES. UH, I'M GONNA TOUCH ON A COUPLE MORE THINGS AND THEN I PROMISE I'LL BE DONE. UH, BECAUSE THERE WERE, THERE WERE, IT HAD, IT HAD COME UP AT A COUPLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS THAT WE, THAT I SORT OF REPRESENT THIS AS AN ELEMENT TO THE OVERALL PROJECT. AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD RESULT IF WE WERE TO DEVELOP THIS SITE BY RIGHT VERSUS THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL RESULT IF WE DEVELOP WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. UH, AND SO I TOUCHED ON THIS AT THE, THE PRESENTATION BACK IN MARCH, BUT I'M GONNA GO THROUGH IT AGAIN. UH, WE HAD ACT, WE ASKED OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO, UH, DO A COMPARISON. TAKE THE CURRENT COMMERCIAL ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS FIVE AND A THIRD ACRES PLUS ONE ACRE OF MULTIFAMILY, AND TELL US WHAT THAT GENERATES IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC. AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT BECAUSE WE HAD TO ASSIGN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LOT COVERAGE TO IT IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY TRIPS THAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY PRODUCE. THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT IN THE CITY OF SEDONA ALLOWS UP TO 60% LOT COVERAGE. GRANTED, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A REALISTIC NUMBER BECAUSE IF WE COVERED 60% OF THE SITE WITH BUILDINGS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE LEFT TO PARK IT. BUT NONETHELESS, WE ASKED OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO RUN FOUR SCENARIOS BASED ON THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY AND ONE AT 60% LOT COVERAGE. SO USING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF OUR AVAILABLE LOT COVERAGE, ONE AT 45% LOT COVERAGE, WHICH WOULD BE 75% OF OUR AVAILABLE LOCK COVERAGE, 30% AND 15%. SO FOUR SCENARIOS. WHAT DOES THAT PRODUCE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC? WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF TRIP GENERATION OF WHAT THIS COULD BE VERSUS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE 60% LOT COVERAGE SCENARIO? SO IF WE WERE USING ALL OF OUR AVAILABLE LOT COVERAGE, WHICH AGAIN PROBABLY ISN'T REALISTIC, BUT FOR ILLUSTRATION PURPOSES, THAT WOULD GENERATE APPROXIMATELY 14,478 TRIPS, AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS. SO THAT'S IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD OF TIME, UH, AT 45% LOT COVERAGE. THAT'S AROUND 12,182 TRIPS IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD OF TIME. AGAIN, SPLIT BETWEEN SHOPPING RESTAURANTS, COFFEE SHOP, GAS STATION, AND SOME MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. IN THE 30% LOT COVERAGE SCENARIO, IT'S ABOUT 9,000 AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS. AND IN THE 15% LOT COVERAGE SCENARIO, IT'S AROUND 6,000 DAILY TRIPS. REALISTICALLY, FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMEWHERE AROUND A 30% OPTION. BUT WE WANTED TO PRESENT ALL FOUR OF THESE SCENARIOS. NOW, WHEN YOU TAKE THAT IN COMPARISON TO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, THE AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS, AND ACTUALLY THIS IS NOW OVERSTATING IT BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF HOTEL ROOMS AND WE'VE ONLY ADDED A FEW MORE WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS, NONETHELESS, AROUND 1,374 TRIPS OVER A 24 HOUR PERIOD OF TIME. AND ULTIMATELY WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF TRIPS IS ABOUT 4.5 [01:55:01] TIMES MORE TRIPS IN THE 15% LOT COVERAGE SCENARIO AT 30% LOT COVERAGE. THAT GOES UP TO AROUND, I THINK, SEVEN TIMES THE TRAFFIC OF WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. SO IT'S WORTH NOTING WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC BENEFIT, I, I THINK THERE IS SOME MERIT TO THE IDEA THAT SIMPLY BY REZONING THIS PROPERTY FROM COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY TO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, THERE IS AN ACTUAL TANGIBLE PUBLIC BENEFIT ATTACHED, ATTACHED TO THAT IN THE WAY OF TRIP REDUCTION. BECAUSE IF EVEN IN THE ROST SCENARIO, THIS WOULD GENERATE 6,000 AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS AS A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND THE, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING WOULD BE, THIS IS WHY I'M A LAWYER, AND I, I, MATH, MY MATH IS NOT TERRIFIC. LET'S DO THIS THE OTHER WAY AROUND FOUR AND A HALF TIMES WHAT IT WOULD BE, UH, VERSUS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. SO I THINK THERE IS AN ACTUAL TANGIBLE TRIP REDUCTION PUBLIC BENEFIT TO THAT IDEA. BUT THIS IS WHERE REALLY, EXCUSE THE PUN FROM WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD AND, AND THAT'S THE, THE, THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. THIS IS THE TRUE PUBLIC BENEFIT OF THE PROJECT BY WHICH WE ARE BEING MEASURED. SO AGAIN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE HOTEL, WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, 46 UNITS OF WORKFORCE HOUSING THAT WILL BE INCOME QUALIFIED FOR A MINIMUM OF 50 YEARS. BUT FOR AS LONG AS THIS WILL BE A HOTEL, UH, THAT'S NEARLY A 50% RATIO, UH, TO THE NUMBER OF GUEST ROOMS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING WHEN COMPARED TO THE DIGA GUIDELINES, WHICH AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW AS THE ONLY GUIDELINE THAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AS FAR AS A MEASURE WAS 12%. AND SO WE HAVE, WE ARE NOW I THINK MORE THAN FOUR TIMES THAT IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF WORKFORCE UNITS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO AT A CONSTRUCTION COST OF AROUND $13.4 MILLION, UH, AND PER OUR PRO FORMA, AN ANTICIPATED NET LOSS OF $7 MILLION OVER THE FIRST 25 YEARS OF A 50 YEAR COMMITMENT, UH, THAT IS A NET CONTRIBUTION TO SEDONAS WORKFORCE HOUSING OF AROUND $24 MILLION BECAUSE FOR THE FIRST 25 YEARS, AND PROBABLY AFTER THAT, WE, OUR PROFORMA CAN REALLY ONLY GO ACCURATELY TO ABOUT 25 YEARS. BUT IT'S A $7 MILLION LOSS OVER THE FIRST 25 YEARS WITH A CONSTRUCTION COST OF JUST SOUTH OF $14 MILLION, UH, WITH A UNIT AND A MI MIX THAT'S RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY. UH, AND AGAIN, IN COMPARISON TO THE MOST RECENT ZONE CHANGE, UH, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN BEEN THE MARRIOTT RESIDENTS IN, IN 2018, UH, THEY CONTRIBUTED AN IN LIE FEE OF AROUND $824,000. AND NOW, THE REASON I BRING THAT UP, I KNOW THAT TIMES HAVE CHANGED, UH, AND THAT THAT EXPECTATION IS OBVIOUSLY NO LONGER THE EXPECTATION. BUT THE REASON THAT I BRING IT UP IN THIS CONTEXT, UH, IS, IS TO TALK ABOUT IT IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, I THINK, REALLY VALUABLE DISCUSSION AS FAR AS HOW WE MEASURE THIS PUBLIC BENEFIT. OBVIOUSLY, THE DIGA GUIDELINES ARE OUTDATED. IT'S NO REALLY THE MEASURE THAT THE, THIS COUNCIL OR STAFF IS LOOKING AT FOR A PUBLIC BENEFIT. SO THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES HOW, HOW SHOULD IT BE LOOKED AT? AND ONE OF THE CONCEPTS THAT HAS BEEN SORT OF TOSSED AROUND IS THIS IDEA THAT IT'S, IT'S REALLY JUST A NET, A NET DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING. I THINK THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME MERIT TO HAVING THAT DISCUSSION, WHETHER THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE METRIC, BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ANSWERED. FIRST IS ONE TO ONE, AN APPROPRIATE RATIO IS ONE UNIT TO EMPLOYEE, YOU KNOW, ACCURATE. IS THERE ANY EMPIRICAL DATA TO, TO BACK THAT UP? WE'VE HEARD THROUGH THE, THE BANEY AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER, THE INDUSTRY STANDARD IS 1.5 EMPLOYEES PER BEDROOM, WHICH WOULD OBVIOUSLY CREATE, YOU KNOW, A MUCH MORE FAVORABLE RATIO FOR HOW MANY, HOW BIG THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS. BUT THE REASON THAT I, I BRING THIS UP IS TO ILLUSTRATE THE FACT THAT UNTIL THE CITY OF SEDONA ADOPTS A NEW STANDARD, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE UNIT PER EMPLOYEE, WHETHER IT'S 1.5 EMPLOYEES PER BEDROOM, WHATEVER IT IS, UNTIL THE THAT STANDARD IS ACTUALLY ADOPTED, I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION AS TO HOW THIS BENEFIT SHOULD BE MEASURED. AND I WOULD MAKE A SUGGESTION OF MY OWN. AND THAT IS RIGHT NOW THAT THIS LAND IS, HAS COMMERCIAL ZONING ON, IF WE WERE TO DEVELOP THIS AS A COMMERCIAL CENTER, THAT IS GONNA GENERATE DEMAND FOR EMPLOYEES, QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA GENERATE MORE DEMAND FOR EMPLOYEES THAN THE LODGING DEVELOPMENT WITH MULTIFAMILY THAN WE ARE PROPOSING. SO THERE IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT BY RIGHT, THERE WOULD BE MORE EMPLOYEES NEEDED FOR THAT COMMERCIAL CENTER THAN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. AND IF THAT'S IN FACT THE CASE AND THERE IS NO MECHANISM BY WHICH THE CITY CAN REQUIRE A DEVELOPER TO BUILD WORKFORCE HOUSING THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT BY RIGHT PROCESS, THEN EVEN ONE WORKFORCE HOUSING UNIT THAT IS PROVIDED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT WOULD BE A PUBLIC BENEFIT. MM-HMM. . BECAUSE IF IT'S GOING TO GENERATE THE SAME NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, WHETHER IT'S BUYRIGHT OR FRANKLY EVEN LESS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, THEN EVERY [02:00:01] ADDITIONAL WORKFORCE HOUSING UNIT THAT WE PROVIDE OR PROPOSE IS IN AND OF ITSELF A PUBLIC BENEFIT. BEN? YES. WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK, , BECAUSE YOU LOST ME AT THE PAR PART OF SAYING YOU, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PARKING. I'M, I'M GONNA BE ONE MORE MINUTE. I'M ALMOST DONE. AND THAT WAS ALMOST 15 MINUTES AGO, SO I WANTED TO TAKE A BREAK THEN, BUT I'M NOT CUTTING YOU OFF. WE'RE JUST GONNA TAKE A BREAK. UNDERSTOOD. UH, 20 MINUTES. HOW MUCH FURTHER DID HE HAVE TO GO? TWO SLIDES. REALLY. NO, REALLY IT'S, IT'S TWO SLIDES AND, AND FRANKLY I DON'T, MR. MAYOR, THERE'S NOT REALLY A WHOLE LOT TO COVER THAT THIS COUNCIL HASN'T ALREADY SEEN. WELL, THAT'S THE POINT. I MEAN, ARE YOU MM-HMM, TWO SLIDES. TWO SLIDES AND THEN BE DONE. BUT YES, THEY COULD BE VERY WORDY, UH, AS I SAID BEFORE WITH THE TRAFFIC. SO DO YOU TWO SLIDES AND THEN WE'LL TAKE THE BREAK. OKAY. AND, AND MR. MAYOR, UH, IT, IT PROBABLY WON'T EVEN TAKE THAT LONG BECAUSE AGAIN, THESE, THE, THE TWO REMAINING SLIDES ARE THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS ALREADY SEEN. ALL THE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE, THE CONNECTOR ROAD, THE, UH, THE $25,000 ENDOWMENT, THE, THE, THE LINK SHUTTLE STUFF. ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE, WERE ALREADY PART OF THE PROJECT. AND THEN THE FINAL SLIDE IS JUST TALKING ABOUT EMPLOYEES AND A SUMMARY. BUT WE, IF, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT EMPLOYEES, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. ALRIGHT. THAT'S FAIR. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A, UH, 20 MINUTE BREAK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, BEN, ARE YOU GOING TO NEED THE, UM, SCREEN AGAIN? CONTINUE. UH, MR. MAYORS, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY NO MORE THAN 30 SECONDS. OH, THAT'S WHAT HE SAID ABOUT AN HOUR AGO. ADD-ON. OKAY. ALRIGHT, BEN. SORRY FOR THAT, BUT IT WAS LONG OVERDUE, SO BACK TO YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. SO I, I, I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING SO TEDIOUS. UM, I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF DETAIL TO COVER, BUT I, I THINK FROM WHERE I'M SITTING, IT, IT ILLUSTRATES HOW MUCH GROUND WE'VE HAD TO COVER AND HAVE COVERED BETWEEN MARCH AND NOW. THERE WAS A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF EFFORT, A LOT OF HOURS PUT INTO ADDRESSING ALL OF THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY THAT TOOK THE FORM OF PLAN CHANGES, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY. AND SO I GUESS IF, IF I'M GONNA SUMMARIZE WHERE WE'VE ENDED UP, IT'S THAT, IT'S THAT SO MUCH OF WHAT WE HAVE WORKED ON IS MEMORIALIZED IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU. THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE COMMITMENT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH AGAIN, AND I I CAN'T EMPHASIZE THIS POINT STRONGLY ENOUGH, IS A A $21 MILLION COMMITMENT IF WE'RE ATTACHING A DOLLAR VALUE TO, TO WORKFORCE HOUSING IN SEDONA. UH, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY. COUNCIL WILLIAMS, I HAVE JUST, I HAVE, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS VERY QUICK. ONES MICROT TRANSIT. HOW ARE YOU PLANNING ON IMPLEMENTING AND, UM, SUPPORTING OUR MICRO TRANSIT PLAN COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON? UH, IN A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS. UH, THE FIRST OF WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO, THAT'S ALREADY INCLUDED AS, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT IS THE NEW, UM, VERDE SHUTTLE LINK STOP ON 89 A. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'LL ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY, UH, FOR MICROT TRANSIT VEHICLES TO SIMPLY USE OUR PORTICO SHARE TO PICK UP PEOPLE. SO WE'VE GOT, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR SITE PLAN, THAT PULLOUT ON SOLDIERS PASS CONNECTOR ROAD, WHICH ACTUALLY YOU CAN ACT, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE PLAN HERE, UH, IS A SHORT TERM LOADING ZONE, UH, WITHIN THERE FOR PICKUPS. PRECISELY. WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT PUSHING, ENCOURAGING, DEMANDING THAT YOU ARE , THAT PEOPLE WHO STAY THERE USE IT? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? I MEAN, IS IT, IS THERE A COMMITMENT TO KIND OF, KIND OF REALLY ROBUSTLY, UM, ENCOURAGE THE USE OF THIS? ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE, THE MICROT TRANSIT IS? YES. OKAY. MR. JUST WANTED BE SURE, MR. MAYOR, BECAUSE IT'S NEW SINCE WE SAW YOU LAST. NO, AND, AND MR. MAYOR, AND I'VE CERTAINLY HEARD ABOUT THE PROGRAM, AND IF THERE ARE, IF THE COUNCIL HAS A SUGGESTION FOR HOW WE COULD MEMORIALIZE THAT, I THINK WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CONSIDER THAT. OKAY. UM, YEAH, I JUST HAVE A SECOND QUESTION. I BELIEVE MANY, MANY MOONS AGO I ASKED ABOUT, YOU HAVE A POOL, CORRECT? NO. YES. AND ABOUT THE, UH, UH, CONSERVATION METHODS THAT WERE BEING USED IN THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU REPRESENTED, WHETHER THOSE WATER CONSERVATION REGARDING YOUR POOL WAS GOING TO BE USED, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON. SO MANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE, THAT WE COVERED IN THAT ONE, UH, ARE ACTUALLY MORE OR LESS INDUSTRY STANDARDS TODAY, UH, BECAUSE OH, THEY ARE, YES. UH, WATER'S EXPENSIVE. UH, AND IT'S ONLY GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, REALLY SIMPLE SOLUTIONS LIKE THERMAL COVERS AND, UH, MULTI-SPEED POOL MOTORS, UH, ARE, ARE ALREADY WHAT YOU DO. YES. THANK YOU, PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. MAYOR, [02:05:01] SORT OF PROCESS QUESTION FOR YOU IN THE, OUR STAFF REPORT, STAFF CARRY HAD, HAS A NUMBER OF ITEMS HERE WHERE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION OR SOMETHING CHANGED OR, YOU KNOW, THESE KIND OF COMMENTS. AND I, I WOULD LIKE EACH ONE OF THOSE ADDRESSED AND I'M HAPPY TO ASK THE QUESTIONS. I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GET THROUGH IT. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY 10 OF THEM THAT ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT ALONE. WELL, I, I THINK KURT CAN, UH, UH, JOIN ME ON THIS. I THINK IF IT'S NOT IN HERE, IT'S NOT IN HERE. AND, UH, IF IT HASN'T BEEN ANSWERED, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. IT SHOULDN'T BE LEFT OF THAT. UH, AS AN OPEN QUESTION, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. I THINK TO GO DOWN THE LIST OF THINGS THAT ALREADY IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN NOT ANSWERED BY, UH, STAFF, IT'S UNANSWERED. IS THAT, I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. I, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS THAT ARE IN THE STAFF, IN THE STAFF REPORT. KURT, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS WHAT I JUST SAID? OR MAYOR AND COUNCIL? IT'S UP TO COUNCIL ON THAT ONE. THEY, YOU CAN CERTAINLY, UM, ASK THE QUESTIONS, UM, DURING THEIR TIME PERIOD. UH, AND IF, IF MAYOR AS CHAIR OF THE MEETING, IF HE FEELS IT'S GOING ON TOO LONG, THEN YOU CAN, UH, ASK COUNSELORS TO, TO SPEED IT UP. UM, AND THEN, UH, OF COURSE COUNSELORS CAN OVERRIDE THE CHAIR IF THEY DECIDE THAT THEY DON'T. RIGHT. THEY DON'T LIKE THAT DIRECTION. I SHOULD, MY OPINION. SO, ONE, ONE WAY THAT WE MIGHT DO THIS IS JUST TO KINDA, I'M GONNA ASK SOME OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I MM-HMM. CAME UP WITH TODAY. WE'LL LET EVERYONE GET A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT THERE WILL BE, AND IF I SEE THAT THERE ARE ANY LEFT UNANSWERED THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THEN I'LL ASK THOSE SPECIFICALLY. OKAY? ALRIGHT. GOOD. SO THE, THE OTHER QUESTIONS I WANT TO ASK ARE, WELL, THAT'S GONNA BE ONE THAT WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE NEXT ONE IS, UH OH. UH, BEN, IN YOUR DESIGNATED CONTACT DESIGNATION, THE NAME AND THE NUMBER YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU'LL PUT IT, YOU'LL MAIL IT OUT, WHATEVER, YOU'LL EMAIL IT OUT TO PEOPLE THAT ARE IN YOUR LIST. I I'M THINKING ABOUT IN THE FUTURE, YOU, THAT PERSON IS GONNA CHANGE OVER TIME. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THIS IS ON YOUR WEBSITE? IS THERE A SECTION ON YOUR WEBSITE THAT THE NEIGHBORS CAN FIND? OH YEAH, HERE'S THE NUMBER I FOR, YOU KNOW, I, I FORGOT WHERE I PUT THAT LETTER. OR I FORGOT WHAT I DID WITH THAT NUMBER. BUT A MORE RELIABLE WAY FOR YOU TO UPDATE THE CHANGE IN THAT CONTACT PERSON WHEN AND IF IT DOES OCCUR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FURMAN, I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA AND SOMETHING WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO. WE CAN'T HAVE IT FROM, FROM THE AUDIENCE. IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO, IF BEN RECOGNIZES YOU, I KNOW WHO YOU ARE, BUT WANNA COME AND SPEAK HAYDEN MINNIE WITH, UH, BANEY CORPORATION, UM, I THINK THAT ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS FOR THE POINT OF CONTACT SHOULD BE THE HOTEL ITSELF THAT HAS A 24 HOUR MANNED FRONT DESK. AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE ALWAYS INTENDED. UM, HAVING ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS BE. SO, ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT QUESTION WAS, UH, IN YOUR COMPLAINT PROCESS THAT YOU WENT, WALKED US THROUGH, THE LAST STEP WAS REVIEW BY P AND Z, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY WAS IN THAT. ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE, ARE WE SAYING THAT P AND Z IS GONNA HAVE APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR THOSE DISPUTES WHEN THEY COME TO P AND Z? SO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FURMAN, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE, THE SECTION THAT THEN IS IN THE COMPLAINT SECTION, IT'S IN THE AMENDMENT SECTION. YEAH. YEAH. AMENDMENT SECTION. THANK YOU. UH, SO COUNCIL MEMBER FURMAN, WHAT I WAS SIMPLY TRYING TO DO THERE, UH, AND FRANKLY IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A BETTER ROUTE, WE'RE CERTAINLY MORE THAN OPEN TO IT, UH, WAS IN THE EVENT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY, UH, AND THERE IS SOME DISAGREEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY. MM-HMM. , SOMEONE HAS TO BREAK THAT TIE. MM-HMM. AND DEFERRING TO THE BE BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THIS WAS BORN OUT OF A PUBLIC PROCESS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT JUST MADE SENSE TO ME THAT IT SHOULD BE THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING THAT THAT IS DECIDED. RIGHT. YOUR WORDS ON YOUR, ON YOUR SLIDE THAT YOU SHOWED TO SAY REVIEW BY PNZ, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO THE SORRY APPROVING AUTHORITY IS, CARRIE, IS THAT, UM, I NOTICED THAT TOO. I WOULD SAY THAT BECAUSE THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY IS A DETACHMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PLANNING ITS ZONING COMMISSION GENERALLY DOES NOT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY ON DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. IT MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE, UM, FOR COUNSEL TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY AMENDING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ATTACHMENT. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, COUNCIL MEMBER FURMAN, WHEN I HAD PUT THE AMENDMENT SECTION TOGETHER, IT WAS NOT YET CONTEMPLATED [02:10:01] THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR THAT THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY WAS GOING TO BECOME AN ATTACHMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. BUT IF IT, SINCE IT NOW IS, FRANKLY, I AGREE WITH CARRIE, IT MAKES MORE SENSE THAT WE'RE ESSENTIALLY AMENDING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AT THAT POINT, AND COUNSEL WOULD BE THE AUTHORITY FOR THAT. GARY, ANY THOUGHTS FROM YOU ON THAT? THAT'S FINE. I MEAN, COUNSEL CAN ALSO, FOR THIS, THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY DELEGATE THAT DECISION TO P AND Z AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A DELEGATION THAT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DELEGATE. , IT'D BE INTERESTING TO HEAR WHAT THE REST OF, UH, COUNCIL COLLEAGUES SAY ON THAT. BEN, THE, ALSO, I JUST WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU BANEY FAMILY REPRESENTATIVE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING IS 50 YEARS, OR AS LONG AS THE HOTEL OPERATES, THAT THERE'S AN IMPLIED A MINIMUM OF 50 YEARS OR, UH, UH, UH, WHICHEVER IS LONGER LANGUAGE THAT'S NOT IN THERE. IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THIS AGREEMENT? COUNCIL MEMBER FURMAN? YES. IN FACT, I THINK KURT WOULD AGREE THAT THE LANGUAGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ITSELF SAYS A MINIMUM OF 50 YEARS OR FOR AS LONG AS IT IS A HOTEL. THANK YOU. YOU, UH, UH, ON A FEW OCCASIONS HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW THE, THERE'S NOW A REDUCED PARKING REQUIREMENT, BUT YOU'RE STILL BUILDING THE SAME NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS IN THE GARAGE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. MR. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FURMAN. SO THE, THE DEMAND HAS GONE DOWN WITH RESPECT TO THE PARKING NUMBERS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE LDC, BUT WE'RE STILL BUILDING THE SAME NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, OUR PARKING SURPLUS IS SLIGHTLY LARGER. YEP. AND THEN IN THE, UH, DOCUMENT YOU GAVE US TODAY, YOU TALK ABOUT THE LEAD STANDARD AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO, UH, I'M JUST GONNA TRY TO USE YOUR WORD CONSTRUCTED TO MEET LEAD, BUT ITS CERTIFICATION IS NOT REQUIRED. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SHOW, DEMONSTRATE TO STAFF WHAT YOU DID AND THE FACT THAT YOU DID DO IT TO COMPLY WITH THE LEAD? I DON'T WANNA LEAN ON OUR STAFF TO DO THE LEAD CERTIFICATION THAT YOU DON'T WANNA PAY FOR EITHER . SO, COUNCIL MEMBER FURMAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE IN A LOT OF OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHERE WE'RE BUILDING TO A LEAD STANDARD, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING LEAD CERTIFICATION BECAUSE AS I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE LEAD PROCESS, NOT TO BE TOO PEJORATIVE, BUT IT'S, IT CAN BE EXTORTED AS FAR AS HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS TO DO LEAD CERTIFICATION, WHEN REALLY THE ONLY BENEFIT OF DOING THE CERTIFICATION IS TO SAY YOU'RE CERTIFIED WHEN YOU'RE NONETHELESS BUILDING TO THE STANDARD. SO THE WAY THAT I WOULD SEE THIS WORKING IS AS PART OF OUR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT SUBMITTAL SET, WE WOULD ACTUALLY PROVIDE AN ANALYSIS THAT SHOWS HOW WE'RE USING THE LEAD CREDITS TO MEET A LEAD SILVER STANDARD. SO ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE DOING YOUR LEAD APPLICATION, BUT INSTEAD OF GIVING IT TO LEAD, YOU'RE GIVING IT TO US NOT PAYING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. EXACTLY. BUT YOU WILL, BUT YOU ARE DOING THAT ANALYSIS, THAT WOULD BE OUR WORK, NOT YOURS. CORRECT. THANK YOU. SO I'LL ASK JUST ONE OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT'S IN THE, IN THE, UH, STAFF MEMO AND WE'LL SEE WHICH OTHER ONES ARE ASKED. WHAT'S THE NUMBER PREFACE WITH THE NUMBER? UH, IT, SO I'M LOOKING ON PACKET PAGE 1 0 8. IT'S NUMBER ONE. THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY IS, AND, AND STAFF COMMENT SAYS IT SHOULD, UH, BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. IS IT? YES, YOUR HONOR. YES. THANK YOU. SO THAT'S IT. THANK YOU PETE. KATHY, I THINK COUNCIL FERMAN WAS LOOKING OVER MY SHOULDER BECAUSE HE ASKED MY QUESTIONS. GREAT MINDS, BUT I DO, HE HAS GREAT MINDS. RIGHT. BUT I DO HAVE, UM, JUST A, A COUPLE OTHERS, UM, REGARDING THE COMMITMENT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE, THE 50 YEARS, OR AS LONG AS IT'S USED AS A HOTEL, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE HOTEL CHANGES OWNERSHIP, THOUGH? DOES THIS GO, IS IT LIKE A, A DEED RESTRICTION? DOES IT GO WITH IT? SO COUNCIL MEMBER KINSELLA? YES. SO, AND THERE'S ALREADY LANGUAGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT, THAT WHOMEVER ACQUIRES THE HOTEL STEPS INTO THE SHOES OF THE BANEY FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE AGREEMENT. SO THE AGREEMENT, THE AGREEMENT RUNS WITH THE LAND, NOT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. OKAY. SO WHETHER IT'S THE BANEY OR ANYBODY ELSE, WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY IS SUBJECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. OKAY. AND I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON THIS, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWING, UH, DOGS IN THE APARTMENTS, BUT YOU ARE ALLOWING DOGS IN THE HOTEL ROOMS. CORRECT. SO HOW DOES THAT ADDRESS THE CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE ABOUT DOGS? IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER KINSELLA. UM, THERE ARE, I GUESS I HAVE A COUPLE OF ANSWERS TO THAT. THE FIRST OF WHICH IS THAT ONE OF THE POLICIES THAT, UH, OXFORD HAS FOR ALL OF THE HOTELS THAT THEY ALLOW, UM, PEOPLE TO BRING THEIR DOGS IS THAT THE DOG CAN'T BE LEFT IN THE ROOM UNATTENDED. THAT WOULD BE A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT THING TO MONITOR FOR APARTMENTS AS OPPOSED TO A HOTEL. ON TOP OF THAT, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE ASSUMING, NOT ASSUMING, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THIS TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE EMPLOYED AND WORKING IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, MOST LIKELY. UM, IF THEY OWN A DOG [02:15:01] AND THEY'RE ALREADY APPLYING FOR WORKING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO ASSUME THAT THEY PROBABLY CAN'T PAY FOR DOGGY DAYCARE, WHICH MEANS THAT DOG IS GONNA BE SITTING ALONE IN THAT APARTMENT ALL DAY LONG. AND SPECIFICALLY, AND I, AND I, I, I AM PARROTING A SPECIFIC CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED BY THE RESIDENTS, THAT WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN THESE APARTMENTS TO HAVE THEIR DOGS JUST SITTING IN THE APARTMENTS ALL DAY BARKING, CAUSING PROBLEMS. AND IT WAS EASIER FOR, EASIER FOR US IN THAT RESPECT, JUST TO SIMPLY PROHIBIT DOGS FOR PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE LIVING IN THE APARTMENTS. OKAY. UM, I, I, I THINK YOUR ANSWER ACTUALLY MAKES ASSUMPTIONS THAT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT PEOPLE MAY PRIORITIZE OR NOT PRIORITIZE OR HOW THEY INTERACT WITH THEIR COMPANION ANIMALS, BUT IT'S YOUR ANSWER, SO IT STANDS ON ON YOU. UM, OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD, I HAD, LET'S SEE, THE LEAD YOU ASKED OF THAT ONE. OKAY. SO THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY COVERS A LOT, AND I DO BELIEVE YOU DID A LOT OF OUTREACH TO THE NEIGHBORS. AND I, I, I APPLAUD THAT. I THINK THAT'S GREAT THAT YOU DID THAT OUTREACH, BUT I KNOW THAT FOR ME, I'VE, THE EMAILS THAT I'VE BEEN GETTING FROM CITY RESIDENTS ARE STILL OVERWHELMINGLY OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT. SO WITH THE OUTREACH THAT YOU'VE DONE, HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER KINSELLA, I, I, I, I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING HERE, BECAUSE THE LAST TIME I LOOKED AT THE PACKET, IT DID SEEM THAT THERE WERE A, A NUMBER OF LETTERS THAT WERE SENT IN SUPPORT THAT WERE MISSING. I DON'T KNOW HOW RECENTLY THAT WAS UPDATED, UH, BUT WE'VE HAD SEVERAL RESIDENTS FROM SADDLE ROCK SEND IN LETTERS OF SUPPORT. I JUST WANT TO, I'VE GOT A LIST. YES, I SAW THOSE LETTERS OF SUPPORT. MM-HMM. THAT CAME IN AFTER YOUR LAST MEETING. SINCE THEN, WE'VE HAD EMAILS THAT HAVE COME IN FROM THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE SINCE OUR LA JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN YOU SAY SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH MEETING ARE YOU REFERRING TO? I'M ACTUALLY REFERRING TO THE LAST, THE COMMUNITY, LAST COMMUNITY MEETING THAT YOU HELD. OKAY. OVER AT THE ELKS LODGE. UH, WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER KINSELLA, WHAT I WOULD SAY, AND I, I THINK WE'VE BEEN FAIRLY TRANSPARENT ABOUT THIS. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE UNDER ANY ILLUSIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY AN UNREASONABLE STANDARD. AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AND AGAIN, I, AND I APPRECIATE ACKNOWLEDGING EARNESTLY TRIED TO DO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, UH, ADDRESS AS MANY OF THESE THINGS AS WE POSSIBLY COULD TO THE DEGREE THAT WE'RE ABLE WHILE STILL MAKING THIS A VIABLE PROJECT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'VE ENDED UP IS, IS IT GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY? PROBABLY NOT. UH, IS IT GOING TO SATISFY EVERY LAST SINGLE CONCERN OF EVERY RESIDENT? AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A STANDARD WE'RE CAPABLE OF MEETING. UM, BUT I THINK BETWEEN THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE TO THE SITE PLAN, DEMONSTRATE THAT WE'VE MADE A NUMBER OF CHANGES IN RESPONSE. ANYTHING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO, ANYTHING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO ADDRESS, WE HAVE, DO YOU SEE THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY AS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT? I SEE IT AS A, ESSENTIALLY AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE THIS PROJECT AS COMPATIBLE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. THE REASON THAT I ASKED THAT WAS, AGAIN, BECAUSE COMMUNITY BENEFIT NEEDS TO APPLY THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, SO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, WHEREAS YOUR THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY APPLIES TO A SMALL PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY, A SUBSET. SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR THINKING WAS ON THAT AND, AND COUNCIL MEMBER KINSELLA? UH, I THINK WHERE WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED SINCE THE LAST MEETING, BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH EMPHASIS AT THE LAST MEETING OF THE LACK OF OUTREACH THAT HAD OCCURRED MM-HMM. WITH THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY, THAT THAT'S WHERE OUR FOCUS WAS. HAVE YOU DONE ADDITIONAL OUTREACH TO AREAS OTHER DENSELY RESIDENTIAL AREAS NEARBY, SUCH AS UP AIRPORT ROAD OR EVEN ACROSS, UH, THE HIGHWAY BEHIND WHOLE FOODS? I MEAN, THERE ARE DENSE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES THERE AS WELL THAT COULD, MIGHT HAVE SOME IMPACT. EITHER TRAFFIC INTERSECTION, UM, CONFLICT OR NOISE OR WHATEVER FROM YOUR DEVELOPMENT, HAS THERE BEEN OUTREACH OTHER THAN TO SADDLE ROCK AND THE, UH, OTHER, THE OTHER LITTLE HOUSING STRIP THAT WAS BROUGHT UP MORE RECENTLY? UH, AGAIN, COUNCIL MEMBER KINSELLA, THERE WAS SUCH AN EMPHASIS AT THE LAST MEETING FROM THIS COUNCIL THAT WE REALLY DIVE INTO OUTREACH WITH THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY, THAT WITH THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME WE HAD, WITH THE LIMITED RESOURCES THAT WE HAD, THAT THE, OUR FOCUS WAS ON THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT HAD BEEN THE DIRECTIVE OF THE COUNCIL. OKAY. THANK YOU, BRIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, MR. TATES, THERE IS ONE OTHER PROPERTY BETWEEN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER AND THE, THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE BITTLES STILL OWN? YES. OKAY. WHAT IS THEIR, THEY, THEY HAVE AN EASEMENT, I GUESS, DOWN THE EAST SIDE OF YOUR [02:20:01] PROPERTY. CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THE, HOW THEY ACCESS THAT PROPERTY AND HOW THEY WILL ONCE THIS PROJECT IS? SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A VEHICULAR ACCESS EASEMENT THAT WILL, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT REQUESTING TO ABANDON IT. MM-HMM. . AND SO, I MEAN, WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THIS, THE, THE ADDITIONAL CURB, GUTTER SIDEWALK PAVEMENT WE'RE, 'CAUSE WE'RE, ELK ROAD IS ESSENTIALLY ONE LANE RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE EXTENDING IT ON OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO MAKE IT TWO LANES TO MAKE IT A FULL STREET. AND THE EASEMENT IS WITHIN THAT AREA. SO THAT WILL BE THEIR ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY THE WAY THAT IT HAS BEEN FOR DECADES. SO YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY PROVIDING THEM A PAVED ROAD ACCESS AND IT'S A PAVED ROAD ACCESS RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST, IT'LL BE A NICER PAVED ROAD. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALRIGHT. UM, IN TALKING ABOUT THE VEHICLE COUNTS ON THE ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT BY RIGHT ON THE LAND, UM, YOU, THERE WERE NO CHANGES TO THOSE FIGURES VERSUS THE MARCH MEETING, CORRECT? NO. AND, AND COUNCIL MEMBER FOLTZ, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING THAT I ACTUALLY WANTED TO POINT OUT IS WITHOUT ACTUALLY HAVING RUN THE NUMBERS, IS OUR NUMBERS ARE PROBABLY INFINITESIMALLY LOWER, LIKE REALLY MARGINALLY LOWER JUST BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE REDUCING 10 HOTEL ROOMS, WE'RE ADDING SIX MULTIFAMILY UNITS. THE BALANCE, IT, IT PROBABLY ZEROES OUT. MM-HMM. . SO, BUT THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL CALCULATIONS. THE COMMERCIAL CALCULATIONS WOULD BE THE SAME REGARDLESS. AND I BELIEVE CARRIE, I THINK WE PROBABLY ASKED IN MARCH, SOMEBODY PROBABLY DID OF, AND STAFF WOULD NOT OBJECT TO THOSE CALCULATIONS AS PRESENTED. CORRECT. WE HAVE NOT REVIEWED THEM AS PRESENTED AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO REVIEW THEM WITHOUT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT A SITE PLAN WOULD BE. SO WE ARE, WE ARE REVIEWING THE PROJECT IN FRONT OF US. WE WOULDN'T REVIEW HYPOTHETICAL NUMBERS FROM THAT JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW BUILDINGS AND PARKING AND ALL OF THAT END UP PLAYING OUT. BUT YOUR METHODOLOGY, MR. TATE WAS USING STANDARD INDUSTRY METHODOLOGY AND NUMBERS, CORRECT? YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER FOLTZ, THAT'S CORRECT. IT, IT USES THE ITE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL, WHICH IS THE GOLD STANDARD. AND IN FACT, I, I DON'T KNOW IF HANUKAH IS HERE, BUT I, I RECALL FROM THE MARCH MEETING THIS COUNSEL ASKING HANUKAH IF SHE HAD REVIEWED THEM AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE ACCURATE. AND SHE INDICATED THAT THEY WERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. AND THEN AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, YOUR ESTIMATES ON YOUR PROPERTY, I UNDERSTAND WE'VE HAD SOME CHANGES BECAUSE OF THE CONFIGURATION OF UNITS AND WHATNOT. UM, BUT YOUR NUMBERS DO DEPEND ON YOUR GUESTS IN THE HOTEL USING YOUR SHUTTLE SERVICE. UH, CORRECT. COUNCIL MEMBER FOLTZ? NO. SO THE, THE ITE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL IS JUST, IT'S GENERATED FROM MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DATA POINTS. MM-HMM. TO ACCURATELY PREDICT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE GENERATED BY ANY PARTICULAR LAND USE AT ANY PARTICULAR DENSITY OR SQUARE FOOTAGE. OKAY. SO YOUR 1300 PLUS NUMBER FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT FOR THE HOTEL PORTION OF THAT DOES NOT ASSUME THAT THERE'S A SHUTTLE SERVICE AND THAT EVERY GUEST FOLLOWS NORMAL GUEST BEHAVIOR AND HOPS IN THEIR CAR TO GO AND DO WHATEVER IT IS THEY WANT TO GO DO WHILE THEY'RE HERE? THAT'S CORRECT. COUNCIL MEMBER LTZ, IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR OUR BIKE RENTALS. IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR THE SHUTTLE SERVICE. IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR A VALET. OKAY. AND THEN MOVING ON, UH, STAFF STAFFING, UH, YOU'RE PAGE 21, SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE FTE NUMBERS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THOSE, AND AN FTE IS BASED ON A 40 HOUR PERSON, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU NEED 32 AND A HALF PEOPLE, UH, ON AVERAGE TO RUN THE PROPERTY? UH, PRIOR TO THE MARCH MEETING, I HAD DONE SOME HOMEWORK AND REACHED OUT TO SEVERAL AREA HOTEL GMS AND GOT FEEDBACK THAT THEY THOUGHT YOUR NUMBERS WERE EITHER ABOUT RIGHT OR MAYBE A LITTLE BIT SHORT. SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE BANEY HAVE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES. WHAT IS THE TYPICAL, UH, FTE LOAD ON THEIR OTHER PROPERTIES? COUNCIL MEMBER LTZ, I'M GLAD YOU, GLAD YOU ASKED. AND I HAVE ANOTHER THING I'D LIKE TO PASS AROUND IF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WAS WE ASKED, UH, OR THE BANEY ASKED THEIR HR DEPARTMENT TO GO AND LOOK AT OTHER SIMILAR PROJECTS OR SIMILAR HOTELS THAT THEY HAVE WITH A SIMILAR NUMBER OF ROOMS TO SEE WHERE, WHERE THAT CAME OUT IN TERMS OF EMPLOYEES. MM-HMM. , UH, AND ACTUALLY BROKEN DOWN BY EACH DEPARTMENT. UH, AND SO THE THREE OTHER HOTELS THAT THEY LOOKED AT WERE THEIR HOTEL IN BELLINGHAM, WHICH HAS 99 ROOMS. THEIR HOTEL IN PASO ROBLES, WHICH HAS 101 ROOMS, AND THEIR HOTEL IN SILVERDALE THAT HAS 106. SO THESE ARE ALL SIMILAR RESORT COMMUNITIES, UM, WITH AN ALMOST IDENTICAL NUMBER OF GUEST ROOMS. SO FOR BELLINGHAM, UH, THE YEAR TO DATE FTES FOR THE ENTIRE, THE ENTIRE HOTEL, 24.3. FOR PASO ROBLES, IT'S 28.8. [02:25:01] FOR SILVERDALE, IT'S 27.3. AND OBVIOUSLY FOR THIS ONE IT'S 32.5. SO IF, IF ANYTHING, THIS ONE IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER. AND WHAT DRIVES THAT? THE HIGHER NUMBER HERE? UH, I, I THINK IT ACTUALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE VALET SERVICES. 'CAUSE WHEN I WAS CATEGORIZING ALL OF THESE TO MAKE THIS TABLE, UM, NONE OF THE OTHER THREE PROPERTIES HAD VALET EMPLOYEES. AND IN FACT, WHEN YOU ADD THOSE THREE VALET EMPLOYEES, THAT'S, THAT KIND OF IS WHAT PUSHES IT OVER THE TOP. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, STEVE, WE TALKED YESTERDAY, UH, A QUESTION THAT I HAD HAD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE 10 OR SO ITEMS THAT COUNCILOR FURMAN WAS REFERRING TO AS KIND OF OPEN ITEMS. AND, UH, YOUR RESPONSE WAS THAT THOSE COULD ALL BE CAPABLY OR APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED THROUGH THE PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS. AND I MEAN, CARRIE, IF YOU WANNA WEIGH IN, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT? THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, YES. COUNSELOR. AND FOR THE RECORD, STEVE MERTIS, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, YES, THOSE COULD BE PUT ON A, UH, UH, CONDITION OF APPROVAL. AND THOSE ARE NOT ULTIMATELY NEGOTIABLE ITEMS PER SE. THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT HEIGHT OR MASSING. LIKE THERE, THERE IS NO NEGOTIATION ON THAT. YOU, YOU ARE CORRECT. AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE TYPICAL REVIEW PROCESS. OKAY. THANK YOU, STEVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCIL, JOHN, SO FIRST A QUESTION, BELLINGHAM WASHINGTON. YES. CAN YOU CONSIDER THAT A RESORT COMMUNITY? SORRY. UH, THE OTHER TWO, I, I SHOULDN'T HAVE MENTIONED BELLINGHAM AS A RESORT COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FAIRPOINT. JUST SAYING . UM, I HAVE QUESTIONS ACTUALLY FOR, FOR BOTH OF YOU IN, IN ADVANCE. I WANT TO, UM, THANK CARRIE FOR HER PATIENCE IN ANSWERING QUESTIONS THIS ENTIRE WEEK. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA START THOUGH WITH YOU, BEN. UM, SO WE'VE, YOU'VE TALKED A LOT LIKE IN THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY AROUND NOISE RESTRICTIONS, UM, AND HOW THOSE WILL APPLY TO THE RESIDENCES, WHICH ARE CLOSE TO THEM. MM-HMM. , HOW DOES THAT APPLY TO THE GUESTS? SO THE HOTEL GUESTS? MM-HMM. , UH, WHAT I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, WE'D BE MORE, 'CAUSE THEY DO GET LOUD SOMETIMES, RIGHT? SURE. YEAH. UH, SO COUNCIL MEMBER DUNN, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IF, IF YOU WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH US INSTITUTING MORE COMFORTABLE WITH US INSTITUTING THOSE QUIET HOURS FOR THE HOTEL AS WELL, I DON'T THINK WE'D BE OPPOSED TO THAT. AND THE REASON THAT I SAY THAT IS THERE IS NOTHING THAT IS WORSE FOR A HOTEL REVIEW THAN SOMETHING EXACTLY LIKE THAT. IT IS IN THEIR INTEREST AS A BUSINESS OWNER, THAT THAT IS NOT, THAT GUESTS ARE NOT NOISY, UH, FOR OTHER GUESTS, FOR SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. IT'S NOT GOOD FOR ANYBODY. AND SO I, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THEY WOULD BE ENFORCING THAT IN THE SAME WAY. SO, SO YOU'VE, YOU'VE SAID THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES ACTUALLY, AS WE'VE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS AROUND HOW YOU WOULD HAVE NO OBJECTION TO FILL IN THE BLANK. UM, HOW WILL THOSE BE MEMORIALIZED AND TO WHOM WOULD THOSE GO TO PROVE THEY'VE BEEN MEMORIALIZED? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I DO. COUNCIL MEMBER DUNN. UH, AND AT THIS POINT, I THINK MOST OF WHAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED WOULD SIMPLY BE ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. UH, BECAUSE IF, IF, IF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO JUST SIMPLY STATE THAT THE QUIET HOURS APPLIES EQUALLY TO THE HOTEL AS IT DOES TO THE APARTMENTS, UH, COINCIDENTALLY THE ROOFTOP, UH, LOUNGE SHUTS DOWN AT 9:00 PM ANYWAYS, WHICH COINCIDES WITH WHEN QUIET HOURS BEGINS. SO THERE'S ALREADY SOME CONTINUITY THERE, UH, THAT IT WOULD JUST SIMPLY BECOME A STIPULATION THAT THAT HAS TO BE ADDED TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR THAT IT'S APPROPRIATELY REVISED BEFORE IT'S EXECUTED. YEAH, I, UH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF COUNCIL, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THERE'S, UM, THERE ARE BARS IN THE AREA PEOPLE ARE CELEBRATING, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. IT JUST FEELS LIKE THAT COULD ALSO BE A DISTURBANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN THE RESIDENCES. SO IT JUST FEELS LIKE IT SHOULD APPLY. UM, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION. UM, UH, I DIDN'T SEE ANY, ANYWHERE. YOU'VE MENTIONED IT ACTUALLY ON THE 21ST OF AUGUST MEETING, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYWHERE AROUND, UH, THE POWER LINES AND THE FACT THAT YOU WERE COMMITTING TO BEARING THE POWER LINES, THE OVERHEAD POWER LINES, THAT IS A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENT. I'M SORRY, SAY IT AGAIN. THAT WOULD BE A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY'VE REPRESENTED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. OKAY. SO YOU, YOU'RE AWARE OF IT AND YOU'VE TAKEN CARE OF IT AND GREAT. UM, YOU'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE CHANGES LIKE THE CHANGE ON THE BALCONIES AND THE PATIO DECK, WHICH WE KNOW HAVE BEEN OF CONCERN TO THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE, UM, CLOSEST TO YOUR PROPERTY. UH, I I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. DID I MISS IT? [02:30:01] IT'S NOT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BECAUSE WE'VE REVISED THE PLANS TO ILLUSTRATE IT. AND SO IT, AND, AND AGAIN, KURT AND KERRY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, BUT THE, THE PLANS THAT WE'VE SHOWN HERE, WE WOULD BE HELD TO IN JUST THE SAME WAY. OKAY. UM, BUT CARRIE, HAVE YOU SEEN THOSE ON THE PLANS? MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU HAVE NOT NECESSARILY SEEN THOSE PLANS YET. SO SOME OF THE PLANS SHOW THAT SOME OF THEM STILL NEED TO BE UPDATED, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD HANDLE THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE MET THAT REQUIREMENT. OR DO WE NEED SOMETHING IN WRITING, SO TO SPEAK? WHICH TO ME, I THINK IS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. IT CAN BE DONE BASED ON THEIR MOST RECENT SUBMITTAL. BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE THE PLANS AREN'T CONSISTENT, IF YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE ADDING IT AS ANOTHER CONDITION OF APPROVAL, UM, IT'D PROBABLY BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO DO A CONDITION OF APPROVAL RATHER THAN A NEW CLAUSE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. OKAY. SO TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE NOW ABOUT CONDITIONS OF, SO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD BE REVIEWING FOR COMPLIANCE BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, OUTLINE WHAT THEY NEED TO DO BEFORE BUILDING PERMIT SUBMITTAL BEFORE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS GENERALLY WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AFTER THEY GET THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY BECAUSE WE NO LONGER HAVE THE C OF O TO HOLD, UM, IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COMPLY. SO THINGS LIKE THE BALCONIES, WHICH WILL BE A CONSTRUCTION ITEM, UM, WOULD BE REVIEWED FOR AT THE BUILDING PERMIT STAGE. SO WE, UM, SO THAT WOULD BE IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE AS A COUNCIL, NEED TO AGREE ON? IF YOU WANNA AMEND THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, YOU DO NEED TO AGREE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO PAUSE THAT TO MY FELLOW COUNSELORS THAT THIS WAS AN ITEM OF CONCERN AND WE JUST WANNA GET IT, UM, WRITTEN IN SOME WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS, SO TO SPEAK. SO WHAT WOULD, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE I DO, BUT CAN I ASK YEAH. ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE WORDING THAT YOU WOULD JUST HAVE WORDING THAT WOULD SAY THAT ALL OF THE PLANS NEED TO BE REVISED IN BLACK AND WHITE TO MATCH WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN TERMS OF THE BALCONIES AND THE OTHER PHYSICAL ELEMENTS? YEAH. AS, AS A CONDITION OF A, OF APPROVAL, THOUGH, ALL OF, ALL OF THE MATERIALS PRESENTED NEED TO SHOW THAT THERE'S NO BALCONIES FACING THE RES THE RESIDENTS IN SADDLE ROCK, THAT, UM, THE PATIOS THAT YOU'VE DECK OR DECKS HAVE BEEN MOVED BACK AS BEEN SPOKEN TO. I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A WAY OF MAKING SURE THAT THAT STAFF CAN HOLD ACCOUNTABLE. AND I JUST WASN'T SURE WHAT STEP OF THE PROCESS THAT IS. AND I'M UNDERSTANDING IT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, BUT I, I THINK WE NEED CLARITY UNDER WHAT EXACTLY IT WILL SAY THE YOU ARE, BECAUSE THE PLANS SHOW DIFFERENT THINGS. SO EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE, SO THE WEST AND THE NORTH. YES. NOT JUST THE NORTH WITH BALCONIES AND DECKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WHEN YOU, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING HERE, BECAUSE TO MY KNOWLEDGE, UN, UNLESS THERE'S SOME OTHER INCONSISTENCY THAT'S BEEN RAISED FROM WHAT I, FROM, FROM MY REVIEW OF THE PLANS, AND I EVEN WROTE DOWN THE NUMBERS. SO SHEETS, MM-HMM. AS FAR AS IT REFERS TO THE PLACEMENT OF THE DECKS SHEETS 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, AND 52 ALL AGREE IN THAT RESPECT. AND IT'S ONLY THE ELEVATION ON SHEET 53 THAT ERRONEOUSLY SHOWS THE DECK THAT WAS IN ITS PREVIOUS CONFIGURATION. SO THAT ELEVATION NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. MM-HMM. . SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE REMAINING SIX SHEETS ALL AGREE WITH ONE ANOTHER AS FAR AS WHAT WE'VE DEMONSTRATED. SO IF YOU EVEN WANTED TO MAKE IT THAT CLEAR THAT SHEET 53 HAS TO BE SHOWN CONSISTENTLY WITH SHEETS 47 THROUGH 52, UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING. WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD HONESTLY LEAVE THAT TO STAFF TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT WAY OF PHRASING IT IS. FOR SURE. AND IF THAT'S WHAT CARRIE NEEDS AND THAT WORKS FOR CARRIE, THEN I WOULD AGREE. UM, BALCONIES ARE THE OTHER ISSUE, BECAUSE I KEEP HEARING THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THE BALCONIES ARE SHOWING UP ON THE PLANS AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT. I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WHERE A COMMITMENT HAS BEEN MADE THAT THERE'LL BE NO BALCONIES FACING THE SUBDIVISION THAT THE PLANS, ALL THE PLANS SHOW THAT THERE ARE NO BALCONIES FACING THE SUBDIVISION. THAT'S ALL. IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE A CRITICISM OR A NEGATIVE. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS I'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE REPRESENTED IN THE DRAWINGS. MELISSA, I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER ITEM THOUGH TOO. IT'S NOT JUST THE BALCONIES. 'CAUSE THERE WAS THAT WALL THAT YOU'VE CHANGED TO BE CONSISTENT. SO, I MEAN, THERE'S A NUMBER OF VITAMINS, NOT JUST THE BALCONIES, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ENUMERATE THEM ALL RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE [02:35:01] I THINK I HEARD LIKE FOUR. THERE'S PATIO, THERE'S ORIENTATION, THERE WAS THE WALL, THERE WAS THE ELEVATIONS. I MEAN, THERE WERE, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF ITEMS. SO I DON'T WANT THE WORDING TO BE LIMITED. UH, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT SHOULD BE. I'M JUST BRINGING UP THE ITEMS THAT I HAVE HEARD AND READ THAT ARE STILL OF CONCERN BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT NOT ALL THE DOCUMENTATION IS, IS ACCURATE AT THIS POINT. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT HOWEVER WE NEED TO PHRASE IT, THE ACT, THE I, THESE ITEMS DO NOT APPEAR, UM, OR APPEAR WHATEVER THE RIGHT THING IS FOR IT ON ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATION THAT IS GOING TO NEED TO BE REVIEWED. AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO. SO I WOULD HATE FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT ALL SUDDENLY ALL THE DOCUMENTATION SHOWS A BALCONY FACING SADDLE ROCK, BECAUSE THAT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE WANTED. SO THIS IS NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE, OBVIOUSLY. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GET THIS DONE. MAYOR JESSICA. THANK YOU, CARRIE. HOW IS, HOW IS, UM, FINAL PLANS CORRESPONDING WITH AGREEMENTS USUALLY HANDLED? TYPICALLY WE HAVE MORE CLARITY ON THE PLANS AT THIS POINT. I SEE. SO THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE CLARITY. OKAY, THEN I WITHDRAW MY QUESTION. KATHY, ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR POINTS? I THINK THAT SUMMED IT UP RIGHT THERE. WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO HEAR FROM OUR ARCHITECT? NO, NO. JUST PUT IT AS THE CONDITION. MELISSA. MELISSA, ARE YOU STILL GOING? I WITH THAT ONE, I'M, I'M DONE. IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ITEMS APPEAR CONSISTENTLY ACROSS THE DRAWINGS WHEN, UM, THEY COME TO, UH, STAFF FOR REVIEW AND COUNCIL MEMBER DUNN TO, I GUESS TO BE AS CLEAR AS I POSSIBLY CAN, WHATEVER FORM THAT CONDITION NEEDS TO TAKE FOR STAFF FOR THE COUNCIL TO BE MOST COMFORTABLE. WE'RE HAPPY TO AGREE TO VICE MAYOR. SO ARE THERE BALCONIES, ? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER TO A QUESTION. NO, VICE, VICE MAYOR PLU. AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF, IF THAT'S THE QUESTION AND I'M, THE, THE SHEET THAT I'M LOOKING, THE SHEETS THAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW ARE 47 AND 48. WHICH ARE THE, THE, I DON'T, I KNOW I DON'T, I BUT CATEGORICALLY NO. SO THERE, BECAUSE THE, THE QUESTION ALL ALONG WAS WHETHER THERE, THERE ARE ANY BALCONIES THAT FACE SOUTH, THAT'S BEEN THE QUESTION FROM THE BEGINNING IS WHETHER THERE ARE ANY BALCONIES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT FACE SOUTH. THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAD THAT EVEN RESEMBLED THE BALCONY WAS THE DECKS ON THE UPPER LEVEL THAT WERE MEANT TO ACCESS THE UNITS. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'VE PULLED BACK CONSIDERABLY, YOU KNOW, 20 IN THE, IN THE, THE CASE OF THE ONE THAT'S IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THEIR PROPERTY, APPROXIMATELY, YOU KNOW, 20 TO 30 FEET, WHICH IS ACCURATELY DEPICTED ON SHEETS 47 AND 48. I DON'T THINK THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION, BUT ARE THERE BALCONIES? THERE ARE NO BALCONIES THAT FACE SOUTH? NO. UH, SOMETIMES IT'S JUST A YES OR NO . THERE ARE NO BALCONIES. THE FACE SOUTH. IN FACT, THERE ARE, THERE ARE NO BALCONIES. YEAH. THAT'S SIMPLE, SIMPLE ANSWER TO A SIMPLE QUESTION. NO BALCONIES THE FACE SOUTH. OKAY. SIMPLE ANSWER TO SIMPLE QUESTION. CAN I JUST FOLLOW, MM-HMM. , WHERE WAS THAT MEMORIALIZED TO STAFF BEFORE TODAY ON SHEETS 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, AND 52. WHEN DID YOU GET THOSE PAGES? SO MY CONCERNS WERE NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE BALCONIES. OKAY. BUT, UM, THE, WE GOT THEM IN JULY 31ST. OKAY. UM, MY CONCERNS WERE ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY. I WAS GONNA GET TO THAT. I, I JUST WANNA GET THE CLARITY. OKAY. BUT SEE, THIS IS WHERE THE DISCONNECT IS. EXACTLY. EXACTLY. THERE'S COMMITMENTS TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY KNOWN TO THE STAFF. SO HOW DO WE GET THAT CLARIFIED? SO AGAIN, COUNCIL OR VICE MAYOR PLU, UH, OUTSIDE OF THIS QUESTION ABOUT THE BALCONIES ON MULTIFAMILY SOUTH, AND IF I STAFF IS FREE TO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, BUT ALL OF THE OTHER ITEMS WHICH HAVE TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, WE NOTED SCREENING ON THE SITE PLAN, WE JUST HADN'T SELECTED THE TYPE OF SCREENING YET. WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A HEDGE OR WALL OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE OF THOSE ITEMS, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WILL ULTIMATELY MATERIALLY IMPACT THE PROJECT. THESE ARE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO GET CONSISTENT. SO THE, THE PAGES OF THE PLANS AGREE WITH EACH OTHER, WHERE, AGAIN, THESE ARE ITEMS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON FEVERISHLY TO GET TO SUBMIT. SO WE COULD GET TO THIS MEETING IN TIME WHILE STILL MAKING SURE THAT WE LEFT ENOUGH TIME BEFORE THAT FOR ROBUST COMMUNITY INPUT SO THAT WE WEREN'T PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE AND UPDATING THE PLANS BEFORE WE ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE COMMUNITY. BUT AGAIN, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO BE DISPROVEN HERE, BUT IT, FROM MY READING OF THOSE ITEMS AND THESE INCONSISTENCIES [02:40:01] THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED, THEY WOULD HAVE NO MATERIAL IMPACT ON ANY OF THE COMMITMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE TO THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. WELL WANNA HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY. WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AGAIN. OKAY. OKAY. UH, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TREES. IT WAS A BIG ISSUE AT SOME OF THE MEETINGS ABOUT THE, THE HEIGHT OF CYPRUS TREES IN PARTICULAR. SO CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME WHAT THE OUTCOME IS? 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT TREES. VICE MAYOR PLU, THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I MENTIONED WITH THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY. SO I DON'T SEE, SO WE SEE TREES OVER THERE? NO. IN THE LANDSCAPING SECTION, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE INCLUDED WAS HEIGHT. UH, AND RATHER THAN INSTITUTING A UNIFORM MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR THE TREES, BECAUSE THERE WASN'T UNIFORM AGREEMENT AMONG THE NEIGHBORS AS TO HOW THE, THE LIMIT OF THE HEIGHT OF THE TREES, IT MADE MORE SENSE TO JUST INCLUDE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT SAID ONE OF THE MAINTENANCE ITEMS THAT WE WILL HAVE TO ATTEND TO FOR THE LANDSCAPING IS THE HEIGHT OF THE TREES. AND IF A TREE BECOMES A PROBLEM, IF IT'S BLOCKING SOMEBODY'S VIEW, THAT WOULD BE COVERED UNDER THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY. SO WHAT YOU JUST SAID, AND, AND YOU, YOU DID SAY THAT EARLIER, THAT'S NOT HOW THE PHRASING IS. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS PRETTY CRITICAL. IT'S ABOUT NOT JUST ABOUT HEIGHT, IT'S ABOUT HEIGHT THAT IMPINGES ON VIEWS. AND SO IF THERE'S A WAY, I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE SURE IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS ABOUT HEIGHT IMPINGING ON VIEWS. IT'S ALSO TO YOUR BENEFIT THAT IT SAYS THAT. BECAUSE IF SOMEONE SAYS, WELL, I DON'T LIKE THE FACT IT'S A 10 FOOT TREE. RIGHT. UM, THAT'S ABOUT HEIGHT. BUT THIS IS ABOUT SOMETHING SPECIFIC. THIS IS ABOUT IMPACTING THE VIEWS OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEHIND YOU, THE RESIDENTS BEHIND YOU. SO I THINK WE NEED TO, TO SAY WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPINGING VIEWS, WE SAY WE'RE, WE DON'T WANNA IMPINGE VIEWS. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? COULD YOU OKAY. NEXT, UM, ON MY LIST, OKAY. IS, UH, HAS TO DO WITH PETS. SO IN THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY, IN THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY, WE TALK ABOUT PET MANAGEMENT, AND THEN THERE'S OXFORD SUITES PET BEHAVIOR GUIDELINES WILL BE ENFORCED. YES. OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE, YOU KNOW, GUIDE GUIDELINES ARE. AND WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN, SINCE THE ONLY PLACE THERE'LL BE PETS WILL BE AT THE HOTEL, THEY GET THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY, DO THEY SIGN FOR THAT SO THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED IT? I'M SEEING, I'M SEEING, YES. MM-HMM, . SO IT'S, I CAN SHOW YOU IT RIGHT HERE. 'CAUSE IT'S A COPY OF, IT ACTUALLY SHOULD BE ATTACHED TO YOUR COPY OF THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY. IT WAS A DOCUMENT THAT I HAD ATTACHED TO THE PDF SO THAT IT FOLLOWS THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY. AND IN FACT, YES, I MEAN, THIS IS A COPY OF IT RIGHT HERE. YOU CAN SEE THAT AT THE BOTTOM IT SAYS GUEST SIGNATURE. SO THAT YES, EVERY GUEST WHO BRINGS A DOG TO AN OXFORD SUITES HOTEL SIGNS THAT, THAT THEY'RE GONNA ABIDE BY ALL THOSE POLICIES. AND THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY? CORRECT. OKAY, GOOD. UH, ANOTHER THING THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WAS A SIGN AT SAL ROCK CIRCLE THAT SAID RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING THAT INDICATED THAT. AND I ALSO DIDN'T SEE THAT INCLUDED. YES. SO THAT'S IN TWO PLACES. ONE, IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE SITE PLAN ITSELF, BUT IT'S ALSO ONE OF THE PROVISIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT SAYS WE WILL INSTALL A SIGN AT THE SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE EXIT. SO IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF OUR PROPERTY THAT SAYS NO LEFT TURN RESIDENCE ONLY, SO THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAVING OUR DEVELOPMENT, UH, WHO ARE NOT, WHO ARE GUESTS OF THE HOTEL, WILL BE DIRECTED TO GO BACK TO 89 A AND ESSENTIALLY SAYS, YEAH, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TURN LEFT HERE. THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD AND RESIDENCE ONLY. RIGHT. AND I DID HEAR THAT, BUT DIDN'T YOU ALSO TALK ABOUT JUST BASICALLY HAVING A SIGN THAT SAID SOMETHING THAT THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT PEOPLE WOULDN'T GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE STREET SIGN, IS TO INDICATE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAVING THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE TO TURN RIGHT AND NOT LEFT AND NOT INTO. THAT'S IF THEY'RE IN A VEHICLE, WHAT IF THEY'RE WALKING, YOU KNOW, ON THE PROPERTY? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD PUT UP THERE SO THAT THEY DON'T GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY WITH THEIR DOGS . BUT I MEAN, YEAH, WE COULD ADD ANOTHER SIGN IN THE SAME LOCATION THAT SIMPLY SAYS THE SAME THING, BUT THERE SAYS SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. YES. I'M SORRY, COULD YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU WANT THE SIGN TO SAY NEIGHBORHOOD DO NOT ENTER, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT GREAT LANGUAGE, BUT SOMETHING THAT DISCOURAGES PEOPLE FROM GOING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO WERE HOTEL GUESTS. I MEAN, THAT WAS DISCUSSED A LOT AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, NOT JUST WHEN THEY'RE IN A VEHICLE, BUT NOT WALKING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, PARTICULARLY WITH THEIR PETS. SO, SORRY, I'M LOOKING AROUND AND [02:45:01] SEEING SOME YEAH, I I, YOUR COLLEAGUES INDICATED , HER CONCERNED ABOUT, IT'S A CITY OWNED STREET. IT'S NOT A PRIVATE ROAD. I UNDERSTAND. RIGHT. SO WE REALLY CAN'T CONTROL, I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT, I GET THE INTENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY OR PLACE TO DO IT BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THAT ISSUE. BUT, BUT THEY COULD PUT THEIR OWN SIGN UP ON THEIR PROPERTY AND PEOPLE, THERE IS NO SIDEWALK EXTENSION TO THE DIRECTION OF THEY TOOK IT OUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT. ONE INDICATION THAT RIGHT. ANDY, I, I MIGHT KIND OF ADD A COUPLE THINGS. UM, USUALLY WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO AVOID THERE IS SOMEONE THAT'S A VISITOR THAT IS LOST. AND TYPICALLY IN THIS SITUATION, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE HIGHWAY. SO IT MAY BE JUST AS EFFECTIVE TO PLACE A SIGN THAT SAYS 89 A THIS WAY. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEDESTRIANS NOT YES. ABOUT PEOPLE IN CARS. I MEAN, THEY MIGHT BE WALKING TO SOMEPLACE, RIGHT? I MEAN, E EITHER WAY, WHETHER IT'S A PET OR A VEHICLE SIGN, I THINK IT WOULD STILL BE RELEVANT. LIKELY. YEAH. IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD, BUT MR. MAYOR, MELISSA, AND THEN JESSICA. BUT LOOK, OH, I, I, I I'M ON THIS TOPIC. THAT'S OKAY. UM, I DON'T THINK WE CAN PREVENT PEOPLE FROM WALKING WHEREVER THEY WANNA WALK. EXACTLY. AND I THINK IF YOU WANTED A SIGN THERE, THE SIGN THAT YOU WOULD, WOULD DO WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING SIMPLE LIKE ENTERING A NEIGHBORHOOD. BE RESPECTFUL. RIGHT. YOU'RE YOU, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET. YOU'RE NOT GONNA STOP PEOPLE FROM GOING FOR A WALK. RIGHT. I MEAN, I SEE PEOPLE WALKING UP AND DOWN MY ROAD ALL THE TIME. I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THEY ARE. AND I HAPPEN TO KNOW THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A TRAILHEAD AND THEY'RE ON THE WRONG ROAD, BUT, YOU KNOW, TOO BAD FOR THEM. SO THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T STOP ME FROM, YOU KNOW, TAKING A WALK. BUT I THINK IF YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE YOU'RE ENTERING A NEIGHBORHOOD, BE RESPECTFUL. THAT SEEMS LIKE AN OKAY THING TO DO. BUT YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S MY OPINION. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MELISSA, BUT I THINK THE INTENT OF THE RESIDENCE IS TO PREVENT ANYBODY WHO IS NOT A RESIDENT FROM ENTERING THEIR PROPERTY ON FOOT, ON BIKE IN A CAR MENTALLY. I, I REALLY, I REALLY THINK THAT WHILE THEY'RE GOING TO WANT A LOT OF THINGS AND A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN PRO ADOPTED TO, I, I TOTALLY, I THINK THAT'S SORT OF, I THINK IT'S MORALLY WRONG TO CREATE A GATED COMMUNITY FROM IN PUBLIC PROPERTY. AND SO I TEND TO AGREE WITH, WITH MELISSA ON THAT, THAT, WELL, MELISSA'S SAYING SHE THINKS THE SIGN IS A GOOD IDEA SO THAT YOU'RE NOT AGREEING. I'M AGREEING WITH HER SIGN. OKAY. NOT WITH, NOT WITH KEEP IT OUT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, FINISH UP. YES, EMPLOYEES, CAN WE GO TO THAT PAGE? BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT, AT THE KITCHEN RESTAURANT, FIVE EMPLOYEES. DOES THAT INCLUDE THE CHEF, THE PEOPLE WHO CUT UP THE VEGETABLES AND PREPARE THINGS IN THE KITCHEN AND, AND THE WAIT STAFF? YES. VICE MAYOR. AND, AND LIKE I, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE LOOKED AT THREE OTHER LIMITED SERVICE OXFORD SUITES HOTELS THAT ARE COMPARABLE TO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. AND THEY HAVE SIMILAR EMPLOYEE NUMBERS. IN FACT, LOWER. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU ASSUME WILL BE EATING IN THE RESTAURANT? I CAN'T MAKE THAT. I, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY SEATS ARE THERE? I WOULD'VE TO LOOK AT THE PLANS. I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 20. ANYBODY IN THE BANEY FAMILY? NO. OH, OH, YOU'RE, SHE KNOWS VICE MAYOR. ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT, LOOK, THIS IS NOT THE OXFORD SUITES FIRST RODEO AND THEY HAVE 14 PROPERTIES AND WE'VE, WE'VE GONE A STEP FURTHER TO LOOK AT OTHER SIMILAR PROPERTIES THAT THEY OPERATE SUCCESSFULLY WITH COMPARABLE CONFIGURATIONS. AND THE EMPLOYEE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE PRESENTING THAT WOULD OCCUR HERE ARE SIMILAR TO THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES AND IN FACT, SLIGHTLY LOWER. I CAN'T BE ANY MORE CLEAR THAN THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD. OKAY. SO, UM, LET'S SEE. I HAVE TO GIVE YOU A LOT OF CREDIT. YOUR SECOND WAVE OF PUBLIC OUTREACH WAS REALLY IMPRESSIVE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UH, I WISH IT WAS DONE IN THE BEGINNING LIKE THAT, IT SAVED A LOT OF TIME. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STUCK IN MY MIND DURING YOUR INTERACTION WITH THE COMMUNITY WAS, AND I'M IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER, IN NO PARTICULAR TOPIC, YOU'D MENTIONED SOMETHING [02:50:02] AND YOU KEPT SAYING, OH, STAFF'S OKAY WITH THAT. CARRIE'S OKAY WITH THAT. I TALKED TO CARRIE, SHE KNOWS ABOUT IT. UH, THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID, MR. MAYOR, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AT ALL. OKAY. WELL, DURING, DURING THE MEETING, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ASKED ABOUT WHATEVER THE TOPIC WAS. I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN THE SPECIFIC TOPIC. BUT NOW FROM THIS STAFF REPORT, I'M SEEING A LOT OF THINGS EMPTY. NO COMMENT. OR, OR THE STAFF DOESN'T HAVE WHATEVER IT IS. UH, SPECIFICALLY HERE, THE HO THE HOTEL FLOOR PLAN, THE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS HAVE CHANGED AND THE SITE PLANS HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED. THE LOCATIONS OF THE STAIRWELLS AND ELEVATORS HAVE CHANGED WITHOUT UPDATING THE ROOF PLAN OR HEIGHT ANALYSIS. THE SITE PLANS HAVE, UH, NOT BEEN UPDATED. AND IT'S UNCLEAR WHETHER THERE WAS A FIVE, FIVE FOOT BETWEEN THE FORM FORMAL LOCATION, UH, OF THE BUILDING AND THE SETBACK. A LOT OF QUESTIONS. I'M JUST, I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN, AN ANSWER YET. I'M JUST SAYING THE, THE ISSUES I HAVE. SO, CARRIE, ARE THESE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE IN THE, THE STAFF COMMENTS, ARE THEY STILL ACCURATE? YES. OKAY. I, I WOULD SAY THE NO COMMENT ONES ARE JUST BECAUSE IT, WE DON'T, THERE WAS NO COMMENT. YEAH. OKAY. SO YOU'VE BEEN DOING YOUR POSITION FOR A LONG TIME. YOU'VE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF APPLICATIONS? PROBABLY LESS THAN A HUNDRED. OKAY. 75 APPLICATIONS AND 14 YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 12 CLOSE. DO YOU, WOULD YOU EVER MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD WHEN YOU'RE MISSING ALL THESE TYPE OF ISSUES? UM, WE HAVE NOT IN THE PAST. NO. RIGHT. SO, AND YOU WERE GIVEN A TIMELINE OF SIX MONTHS TO GET EVERYTHING UP TO SPEED AND WHETHER THEY'RE SMALL AND IT COULD BE, UH, DEALT WITH LATER ON, THE PROCESS ISN'T COMPLETE BECAUSE OUR STAFF DOESN'T HAVE, UH, THE INFORMATION AND CARRIE JUST ACKNOWLEDGED THAT SHE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF THE INFORMATION. SO, UH, AND THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION TO CARRIE. UM, SO I AM UNDER THE, YOU MADE A COMMENT, UH, STATEMENT EARLIER, CARRIE, YOU DON'T HAVE SITE PLANS. SO THE SITE PLANS DO NOT APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN UPDATED WITH THE NEW LAYOUT OF THE NORTH BUILDING. OKAY. BEN, WHEN WAS THE LAST PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETING? I KNOW I ATTENDED IT, BUT AUGUST 21ST. WAS IT A MONTH AGO? AUGUST 21ST. AUGUST. SO IT'S A MONTH AGO. SO DURING THAT TIME, THAT ONE MONTH, WHERE DID THE PROCESS BREAKDOWN THAT OUR STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE PAPERWORK THAT THEY NEED? MR. MAYOR, I NEED TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RECORD'S CLEAR. I CAN'T THINK OF A SINGLE TIME IN ANY OF THE PUBLIC, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS THAT WE HAD THAT I EVER MADE THIS STATEMENT. CARRIE IS FINE WITH THIS. OKAY. AND I, I WOULD, I JUST, I CANNOT BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. OKAY. UH, I WOULD NEVER SPEAK FOR CARRIE. CARRIE AND I HAVE HAD PLENTY OF CONVERSATIONS, BUT I WOULD NEVER ASSUME TO SPEAK FOR HER IN, IN ANY CONTEXT. UM, WE SUBMITTED A COMPLETE UPDATED SET OF PLANS ON JULY 31ST. THERE ARE SOME INCONSISTENCIES IN THOSE PLANS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED THAT YOUR OWN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR SAID ARE SMALL ENOUGH THAT THEY CAN BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS. IF THESE WERE SUBSTANTIVE DIFFERENCES AMONG PLAN SHEETS, IF THESE HAD A MATERIAL IMPACT ON THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THAT IS A STATEMENT THAT THEY WOULD MAKE, THAT THESE WERE SO SIGNIFICANT, THESE CHANGES WERE SO SIGNIFICANT THAT THEY COULD NOT BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CERTAINLY COMMITTED TO DOING. I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE OUR ARCHITECT EXPLAIN IN FACT, HOW SOME OF THESE THINGS I THINK, UH, MAY NOT EVEN BE ISSUES. UH, THE IN, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE NORTH BUILDING, THE FOOTPRINT HAS NOT CHANGED. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE MIKE KRE COME UP HERE AND EXPLAIN THAT. UH, BUT THAT ASIDE, THE CHANGES THAT DO NEED TO BE MADE ARE INCREMENTAL IN NATURE. THEY WILL NOT HAVE A SUBSTANTIVE IMPACT ON THE OVERALL PROJECT, AND THEY'RE NOT MATERIAL TO ANY OF THE COMMITMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE TO THE COMMUNITY. AND YOU DID SAY THAT, YOU'RE VERY CLEAR SAYING THAT MULTIPLE TIMES. MM-HMM. , I, I DO UNDERSTAND. IT'S JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW. AND THE BAYS, YOU EXPLAINED MULTIPLE, UH, PROJECTS, MULTIPLE HOTELS. DID THEY HAVE A SIMILAR TYPE OF PROCESS FOR THEM? REQUIREMENTS OF WHATEVER TOWN THEY BUILT [02:55:01] IN IN THE PAST THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE APPLICATIONS DONE WHEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE? I KNOW MULTIPLE PROJECTS THAT I'VE BEEN A PART OF IN THE CITY, TWO MARRIOTTS CVS, JUST TO NAME A FEW. EVERYTHING WAS DONE ON TIME. THAT'S THE PROCESS. NOT, WELL, THIS WASN'T DONE. I MEAN, THERE, THERE WAS A QUESTION HERE TO, FROM MY COLLEAGUE HERE ABOUT THE, THE, UH, THE BALCONIES. AND THERE, THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BALCONIES. AND WE RECEIVED EMAILS FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE BALCONIES. BUT IT, BECAUSE IT WASN'T CLEAR AND, AND BECAUSE IT WASN'T AN, AN UPDATE, AN UPDATED DESIGN OR PLAN, NOTHING'S FILED. NOTHING'S, NOTHING'S DONE. OKAY. SO, CARRIE, HOW, HOW MANY ITEMS ARE THERE OR ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT'S HERE THAT IS STILL MISSING AT THIS POINT? I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW. WE PUT A, THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT IF YOU CHOOSE TO ADOPT THEM, HAVE A GENERAL STATEMENT THAT SAYS THEY NEED TO SUBMIT PLANS THAT COMPLY WITH THE LDC. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEY, THERE COULD BE A RANGE OF MINOR THINGS TO MAJOR THINGS. I WILL SAY THAT WE DID, UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, WE DID RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS PROJECT. MM-HMM. . UM, AND SO, BUT THE CON, WE DID WRITE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AT THE P AND Z LEVEL THAT IF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CHOSE TO, WOULD ALLOW US TO ADDRESS THESE THINGS LATER ON. UM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS. SO ULTIMATELY THE PLANS WOULD NOT CHANGE NECESSARILY THE NUMBER OF HOTEL ROOMS, BUT THERE COULD BE SOME CHANGES TO HEIGHTS OF BUILDINGS, MASSING OF BUILDINGS, BUILDING ARTICULATION REQUIREMENTS, THOSE SORT OF THINGS THAT JUST WERE NOT WORKED OUT THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THANK YOU. UH, STEVE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO ADD OR CAN ADDRESS ABOUT THE, THE, UH, APPLICATION PROCESS AND THE FINAL, UH, SUBMITTAL OF DOCUMENTS? UM, MR. MAYOR, THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK OF IS THAT, UM, I WISH THAT THE APPLICANT HAD, EXCUSE ME, CONTACTED STAFF TO WORK OUT SOME OF THESE ITEMS, UH, PRIOR TO SUBMITTAL. SO I'M GONNA ASK YOU A SIMILAR QUESTION, STEVE, AS I ASKED CARRIE, AND SHE'S HERE LONGER THAN YOU ARE, UH, GRANTED, BUT YOU SEE, YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF PLANS. DO YOU HAVE, IS IT COMMON FOR YOU TO SEE A PROCESS LIKE THIS WITH THESE SMALL IN INCONSEQUENTIAL, POSSIBLY MORE SEVERE, POSSIBLY, UH, ITEMS ARE NOT TURNED IN WHERE THE PLANS ARE NOT TURNED IN? IS THAT THE NORM? I WOULD SAY IT WAS. IT, IT IS NOT THE NORMS. EXCUSE ME. IT'S NOT WHAT WE HOPE FOR. UM, WE WISH FOR MORE COMPLETE COMPLAINTS, OF COURSE. UM, MY STATEMENT EARLIER IS, YES, THERE IS A ROUTE TO ADDRESS THEM, BUT, UH, NO, UM, IT'S NOT TYPICAL. OKAY. OKAY. UH, I'M DONE WITH MY QUESTIONS. I'M GONNA NOW OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC. WE HAVE COMMENTS. WE HAVE, UH, 12 CARDS, AND I WILL HAVE, UH, LARRY JACKSON COME UP. I WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MIKE VTECH. GOOD EVENING. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH. START WITH YOUR NAME. YOU'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE. I'VE SEEN YOU. LARRY JACKSON. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND MY WIFE. WHERE DO YOU WE'VE LIVED IN THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY FOR 26 YEARS. PERFECT. WE FIRMLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. UM, YOU MADE NOTE OF THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH. I TENANT MOST, IF NOT ALL, I'M SURE I MISSED ONE OF THE MEETINGS. AND I THINK THEY DID AN OUTSTANDING EFFORT OF LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS IN TRYING TO RESOLVE THEM. WE ALL GET AROUND WHAT I CALL ANKLE BITERS. YOU GOT A BIG PROJECT WITH THE ANKLE BITERS. BITERS IS GONNA STOP YOU FOR A WHILE. WE NEED TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT. OKAY. COMMENTS. THIS IS NOT A CRINGE WORTHY PROJECT. IT'S A HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT. IN THE YEARS I'VE BEEN THERE, I'VE HEARD SOME CRINGE WORTHY IDEAS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM. I'VE HEARD THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS, UH, LESS THAN [03:00:01] ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE ALREADY, UH, DON'T NEED ZONING CHANGING. OKAY. THIS IS A HIGH-END HOTEL. IT'S NOT A MOTEL SIX. AND FINALLY I'LL SAY, THINK ABOUT THE DEVIL YOU KNOW, AND THE DEVIL YOU DON'T KNOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, MIKE VITEK WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ANN KELLY. I'M MIKE VITEK, RESIDENT OF SEDONA, ALSO SADDLE ROCK. UM, I'M OPPOSED TO THE ZONING CHANGE ON THE MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY PARCELS. THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN VERY VOCAL ON GETTING MORE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING IN SEDONA, BUT NOW WE'RE GONNA GO CHANGE A PARCEL THAT'S ALREADY ZONED THAT WAY AND DO AWAY WITH IT. SO I'M OPPOSED FOR CHANGING THAT ZONING ON THAT PARCEL. THE OTHER THING I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS ON PAGE, UH, 1 29 OF THE CONTRACT, IT SAYS THE OWNER HAS NOT PAID OR GIVEN AND WILL NOT PAY OR GIVE ANY THIRD PARTY ANY MONEY OR OTHER CONSIDERATION FOR OBTAINING THIS AGREEMENT OTHER THAN THE NORMAL COST OF CONDUCTING BUSINESS WITH THEIR PEOPLE. THEY HIRE THE ARCHITECTS IN THAT. BUT THEN YOU GO TO PAGE 1 26 AND YOU LOOK AT NUMBER SIX DASH SEVEN, THE OWNER WILL PROVIDE THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND HERITAGE MUSEUM WITH A ONE TIME CONTRIBUTION TO $25,000 FOR IMPROVEMENTS AT COOK CEMETERY. THE CONTRIBUTION SHOULD BE PROVIDED NO LATER THAN SIX MONTHS AFTER THE APPLICATION IS APPROVED. TO ME, THAT IS IN CONFLICT WITH THE STATEMENT OF, UH, 11.2. AND I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT I THINK IT COULD MAKE A CASE THAT THAT'S NOTHING BUT A BRIBE. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU, MICHAEL. OKAY. AND KELLY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, HOWARD KIPNIS AND KELLY, RESIDENT OF SEDONA AND MEMBER OF SEDONA RESIDENCE UNITE. IN AN EFFORT TO ENSURE THAT THE SEDONA RESIDENTS UNITE REPRESENTS THE OPINIONS OF SEDONA RESIDENTS, WE POSTED A SURVEY TO OUR EMAIL LIST. AND ON NEXT DOOR, ASKING IF RESIDENTS SUPPORT APPROVAL OF VILLAGE OF SADDLE ROCK CROSSING, 94% INDICATED THEY DO NOT SUPPORT APPROVAL. THE REASON FOR VOTING NO FOR 95% OF THEM WAS THAT WE DO NOT NEED ANY MORE HOTELS. IN SEDONA, THE REMAINING 5% SAID THAT A NEW HOTEL SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IF IT PROVIDES SUFFICIENT COMMUNITY BENEFIT, BUT THIS DOES NOT MEET THAT STANDARD. WE ASKED IF THE RESIDENT SUPPORT A REFERENDUM TO BRING APPROVAL OF VILLAGE OF SADDLE ROCK CROSSING ZONING CHANGE TO A FUTURE ELECTION BALLOT FOR A VOTE BY RESIDENTS, 93.5% INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT A REFERENDUM. RESIDENTS ARE REACTING TO THE FACT THAT IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, 1,157 SHORT TERM RENTALS HAVE CONSUMED 17% OF THE HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. WE HAVE MORE HOTEL ROOMS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAN IN THE HOTELS. MORE HOTEL ROOMS HAVE ALSO BEEN ADDED OR WILL BE ADDED TO SEDONA MARRIOTT RESIDENCE INN, AMTE, OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGE, AND CREEKSIDE AMTE. AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE EXPERIENCING A SIGNIFICANT SHORTAGE OF HOUSING THAT WAS, HAS RESULTED IN MANY BUSINESSES BEING UNDERSTAFFED. TOURIST EXPERIENCE IS GOING DOWN. WE GET COMPLAINTS OF TRAFFIC, POOR SERVICE, AND LIMITED ACCESS TO RESTAURANT SEATING. WE DO, DO NOT, DO NOT NEED TO ADD TO THIS PROBLEM. THE DEVELOPER SAYS THEY'LL REQUIRE 35 EMPLOYEES IN THE PEAK BUSINESS. AND, UH, COUNSELOR PLU. I DID LOOK UP THE DRAWING. I WAS WRONG. THERE'S 40, IT SEATS 40 IN THE RESTAURANT. SO, UM, I CALLED A FRIEND WHO OWNS A NUMBER OF BUDGET HOTELS. NOTHING IS AS FANCY AND BEAUTIFUL AS THIS. HE OWNS A HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS AND FLAGSTAFF. THE AMENITIES, UH, INCLUDE GIVING YOUR ROOM KEY AND IN THE MORNING, THROWING A BAGEL AT YOU, MAYBE IF YOU'RE LUCKY. UM, HE REQUIRES 50 TO 57 EMPLOYEES TO RUN A HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS, AND HE STRUGGLES TO GET THOSE 50 TO 57 EMPLOYEES. HE HAS FOLKS WHO ARE DRIVING FROM CAMP VERDE. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A VERY BAD SITUATION. SO I THINK IT'S MUCH CLOSER TO ASSUME THIS HOTEL WILL REQUIRE 50 EMPLOYEES. [03:05:01] SO 46 UNITS WITH ONLY 20 THAT ARE ACTUALLY AFFORDABLE FOR HOTEL WORKERS IS GOING TO WORSEN THE DEFICIT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN SEDONA. THE REQUIRED EMPLOYEES WILL HAVE TO COMMUTE, ADDING TO THE TRAFFIC, OR BE STOLEN FROM OTHER EXISTING BUSINESSES IMPACTING THEIR SERVICES. PLEASE DENY THIS REQUESTED ZONING CHANGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANN. UH, HOWARD KINU WILL BE FOLLOWED BY HAYDEN. I CAN'T READ THAT. YOUR LAST NAME. MR. MAYOR. UM, MADAM VICE MAYOR, UH, CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS HOWARD KIUS. I WANNA SPEAK BRIEFLY IN FAVOR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. I LIVE ON ROCK RIDGE DRIVE, WHICH, UH, AGAIN IS IN THE SADDLE ROCK ESTATES AREA OF WEST SEDONA. WE'VE DETERMINED THAT WE LIVE LESS THAN A QUARTER OF A MILE FROM THE PROPERTY. THAT'S THE SUBJECT OF THIS, UH, PROPOSAL. I'VE LISTENED TO THE MAYOR'S COMMENTS, AND I WOULD JUST, I ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO PLEASE NOT LET PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF THE GREAT I IT. ALTHOUGH I'VE NOT BEEN HERE LONG, WE HAVE A STRONG INTEREST IN ENSURING THAT SEDONA REMAINS BEAUTIFUL, WELCOMING, AND YES, UH, A DIVERSE COMMUNITY THAT WILL ATTRACT, UH, NOT ONLY US, BUT BUT, UH, ATTRACT LIKE-MINDED FOLKS WHO WANT TO LIVE AND INVEST IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND WE'VE CAREFULLY STUDIED THIS PLAN. WE'VE ATTENDED THE MEETINGS SPONSORED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS. UM, WE ARE THE PRODUCT OF THE COUNCIL'S REQUEST TO GET COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. WE WERE NOT ENGAGED, BUT WE DID GET ENGAGED. WE DID SPEAK TO THE REPRESENTATIVES, WE DID SPEAK TO BEN. WE HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP WHATSOEVER WITH THE FOLKS INVOLVED. WE HAVE NO INTEREST FINANCIALLY OR ANY STAKE IN THE OUTCOME. WE SIMPLY RECOGNIZE THAT THIS VACANT PROPERTY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE DEVELOPED INTO SOMETHING BY SOMEONE SOMEDAY. AND WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE WANT THAT DEVELOPMENT PROJECT TO BE THE BEST AND MOST ATTRACTIVE USE OF THAT PROPERTY, WITH THE GOAL TO ENHANCE THE BEAUTY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND BE OPERATED BY PEOPLE THAT WE BELIEVE HAVE DEMONSTRATED THROUGH THEIR ACTIONS TO OUR SATISFACTION THAT THEY VALUE AND RESPECT OUR INTERESTS AND WILL BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. UM, THIS PROJECT APPEARS TO US TO CHECK ALL THE BOXES. FIRST. IT CLEARLY IS A CLASS, A RESIDENTIAL RESORT FACILITY. IT'S DEVELOPED BY FOLKS WHO APPEAR TO BE WELL FINANCED AND WHO HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD. UH, THEY'VE LISTENED TO US, THE NEIGHBORS, AND THEY'VE MADE CHANGES TO THE DENSITY AND DESIGN OF THE PROJECT TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS AT A FINANCIAL COST TO THEM. UH, THEY'VE ADDED MUCH NEEDED WORKFORCE, A WORKFORCE HOUSING, AND THEY PROVIDE A PHONE NUMBER AS A GOOD NEIGHBOR IS ASKING THAT WE CAN CALL IF WE HAVE ANY ISSUES. SO, UH, IF THE COUNCIL IS, UH, CONSIDERING DENYING THIS REQUEST SIMPLY BECAUSE ALL THE BOXES HAVE NOT BEEN CHECKED, ALL THE T'S HAVE NOT BEEN CROSSED, AND THE I'S HAVE NOT BEEN DOTTED, I'D ENCOURAGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO DELAY THIS, CONTINUE IT, AND ALLOW THE DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE THOSE ANSWERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS, HAYDEN. AND I THINK IT'S BARNEY. YEAH, THAT'S ME. OH, BANEY. BANEY. YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE PART OF THAT'S MY THIRD GRADE CURSIVE, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT IT. I SAID I, IT RINGS A BELL, BUT I COULDN'T PLACE IT. OKAY. YEAH, I APOLOGIZE. AND THEN YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY ALAN, UH, KIN, UH, HAYDEN BENEY FROM BEND WITH, UH, BENEY CORPORATION. UM, I FILLED THIS, UH, CARD OUT JUST IF I HAD WANTED TO MAKE SURE IF I HAD ANY BURNING DESIRE TO SAY ANYTHING UP HERE, I GOT THE OPPORTUNITY. AND, UM, ONE THING I JUST REALLY WANT TO TELL YOU GUYS THAT, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING HARD ON IS THE EMPLOYEE NUMBERS AND THE EMPLOYEE COUNTS. AND AS THAT PERTAINS TO THE HOUSING THAT'S ON THE SITE, AND I CAN SAY THAT WHEN WE WERE PREPARING FOR THIS MEETING LAST WEEK WITH BEN, UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EMPLOYEES AND WE WERE GONNA LOOK AT THE COMPARABLE HOTELS, UM, AND WHAT OUR EMPLOYEE NUMBERS LOOKED LIKE THERE. AND IT'S A LITTLE DISCOURAGING TO ME THAT I HAVE TO COME UP HERE AND SAY THE PROCESS THAT I WENT THROUGH TO DO IT. BUT I WENT TO OUR, UM, HR DEPARTMENT AND I SAID, CAN WE PULL THE CURRENT NUMBERS OF EMPLOYEES WE HAVE, UH, AT THESE HOTELS? AND THE REPORT I GOT BACK WAS WHAT I SENT TO BEN, AND IT'S JUST HARD TO HEAR, LIKE BEING ACCUSED OF LYING OVER AND OVER AND OVER ON THIS SUBJECT, [03:10:01] UM, WHEN WE'RE BEING TRANSPARENT AND JUST GIVING YOU GUYS THE NUMBERS THAT, THAT WE, THAT WE USE. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. THANKS. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, ALAN, AND THEN COLLEEN, YOU'RE SEATING YOUR TIME TO ALAN. YES. UH, THAT REALLY IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. OH, THAT'S SO, SO, OKAY. I, IS IT OR ISN'T? I HAVE TO KNOW HOW MUCH I'LL, I'LL LET YOU TAKE THE, THE SIX MINUTES. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO THANK ALAN TON. I LIVE, UH, ON VALLEY VIEW IN THE SADDLE ROCK DIVISION. I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR SITTING THROUGH ANOTHER LONG MEETING. UH, AND I HAVE THREE ISSUES I WANT TO ADJUST. THE FIRST IS WHAT THE COUNCIL ASKED THE BANEY GROUP TO DO AT THE LAST MEETING. THE SECOND IS FORMULATED. I FEEL THAT THE PROJECT IS FORMULATED ON SOME DUBIOUS ASSUMPTIONS. AND THE THIRD IS TRUST. SIX MONTHS AGO, THE TOWN TASKED THE BANEY GROUP TO ONE, COME BACK WITH A DETAILED PLAN THAT TWO, THAT COULD BE REVIEWED BY THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW BOARD AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS. AFTER SIX MONTHS, THEY HAVE NOT PRODUCED A PLAN THAT WE CAN REVIEW IN A WAY THAT WE CAN TALK, HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE, NOR HAVE THEY WORKED AND GOTTEN A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW BOARD. THE PLAN SUBMITTED ON JULY 30TH ARE CONFUSING AND INCOMPLETE. I HAD DIFFICULTY READING AND UNDERSTANDING THEM AS FOR THE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY THERE WAS THEY, IT FELT LIKE A DIVIDE AND CONQUER EFFORT TO ME. THEY GOT, THEY WENT OUT, THEY DID A, THEY DID A GREAT JOB OF REACHING OUT AND TALKING WITH PEOPLE, BUT I DIDN'T FEEL THAT IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. IT WAS JUST AN ATTEMPT TO SELL THE PROJECT WITH QUESTIONABLE DATA AND PLANS THAT DIDN'T EXIST. APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT SEEMS BASED ON MANY ASSUMPTION, MANY QUESTIONABLE ASSUMPTIONS AS PREDICTIONS OF TRAFFIC LIGHT ARE CREATED BY THE NU ON A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, PARKING SPACES AND SPACE USAGE. 35 AS, AS WE'VE BEEN BATTERING AROUND HERE, 35 EMPLOYEES IS WHAT THEY SAY. AND, BUT OTHER HOTELS OF UPSCALE NATURE IN THIS TOWN USE UP TO 200 FOR LIKE THE LA BARGE WHO HAS A SIMILAR THING. THE HOTEL IN BILLINGHAM THAT THE EARTH SITING HAS ONLY A BISTRO BAR THAT'S OAK, A RESTAURANT THAT SERVES FROM FIVE TO 10. I'VE, THIS HAS BEEN PRESENTED, I BELIEVE, AS A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT AND NOT AS A BISTRO THAT'S ONLY OPEN FOR A LIMITED AMOUNT OF FOOD. IF THAT IS CORRECT, THEN MY NUMBERS ABOUT RESTAURANT WORKERS COULD BE OFF. BUT TO, TO SAY THAT THERE'S ONLY 21 SHIFTS MEANS THAT THERE'S BASICALLY ONE PERSON ON STAFF FOR EVERY SHIFT OF THE RESTAURANT. AND THAT INCLUDES COOKS, SOUS CHEFS, BARTENDERS, HOSTS, DISHWASHERS. UM, AND WHEN I COME, WHEN I DO THAT PROJECTION OF, IF YOU HAD A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT, IT WOULD BE ABOUT 168 SHIFTS, WHICH AMOUNTS TO AT LEAST 30 WORKERS FOR A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT. THERE'S ALSO NO STAFF IN NEAR PLANS FOR EVENTS, BANQUETS AND BUSINESS MEETINGS. THE LOUNGE AND BAR AND POOL, WHICH ALSO SERVED POOL, POOL FOOD, DIDN'T HAVE STAFF LISTED AS THEIR STAFF NUMBERS. THE SHUTTLE DRIVERS THAT THEY'VE PROMISED ARE ALSO NOT LISTED LANDSCAPE WORKERS AND ANY SECURITY PERSONNEL. ANOTHER ASSUMPTION IS THAT THIS CONVENTION CENTER EVENT SPACE WILL ONLY BE USED BY HOTEL GUESTS, UM, AND STATING THAT IT WILL BE ONLY USED IN THE OFF SEASON, BUT IT CAN BE USED YEAR ROUND. WHO WILL ENFORCE IF A GROUP OF EVENTS WITH MANY GUESTS STAYING AT THE HOTEL, IF THEY HAVE OUTSIDE SPEAKERS AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO WILL BE NEEDED PARKING AND MEALS THAT THEY SAID THE THE BENNY'S OWN WEBSITE STATES. MANY OF OUR PROPERTIES ARE WELL SUITED FOR ACCOMMODATED LARGE GROUPS, CONFERENCES, WEDDINGS, EVENING RECEPTIONS. WE CAN OFFER STAFF, FACILITY AND LOCATION TO SECURE YOUR SUCCESS. ALL OF THESE FUNCTIONS TAKE SIGNIFICANT STAFF IN NEED. PARKING, FOOD AND OTHER THINGS. IT'S STILL NOT CLEAR ABOUT THE HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDINGS. THE PLANS AREN'T THERE. THE BANEY ARE TRYING TO FIT A SQUARE PEG INTO A ROUND HOLE BY FUDGING THE FACTS TO FIT THIS PROJECT INTO THE DESIGNATED LAND. WHEN GOOGLE, WHEN YOU PEOPLE COME, WILL USE GOOGLE MAPS TO NAVIGATE TO AND FROM THIS HOTEL, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHO'S DRIVING THROUGH WALKING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT IS. THE LAST ISSUE IS TRUST. I'M STANDING BEFORE YOU WITH THE SAME PROBLEMS [03:15:01] I HAD SIX MONTHS AGO. THE RIDICULOUS ASSUMPTIONS LEAD ME TO QUESTIONS, OTHER ASPECTS OF THIS PROPOSAL. I WAS DEEPLY UPSET ABOUT THE LAST MEETING WHERE WE WERE TOLD THERE WERE ABSOLUTELY NO BALCONIES. AND THEN TWO WEEKS LATER I WAS TOLD THEY WERE, AND THEN WE'VE WORKED OUT A PLAN WHERE THEY SEEMED TO HAVE MITIGATED SLIGHTLY THE ONE BALCONY THAT MAY BE FACING ME, BUT, OOPS, IT WAS THE ONE PAGE THAT HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED IN THE DOCUMENT. THAT SEEMS POOR WORK. THEY'VE HAD SIX MONTHS TO ADDRESS THIS AND IT'S STILL NOT ADDRESSED. FALSE STATEMENTS AND STRANGE ASSUMPTIONS JUST DON'T NOURISH TRUST TO SUMMARIZE SIX MONTHS AND THREE TASKS. AND NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN DONE COMPLETELY. NO CLEAR, COHERENT PLAN. NOTHING THAT I COULD REVIEW AND COME TO YOU WITH A, ANY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS. WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THIS IS. THERE'S, IT COULD BE GOOD, IT COULD NOT. THE BANS HAVE GIVEN PLENTY OF TIME AND OPPORTUNITIES TO FLUSH OUT THEIR PROPOSAL AND HAVE FAILED. PLEASE DON'T APPROVE IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE CAROL RIZZI AND THEN I HAVE JOHN'S NAME ON HERE TOO. I'M SPEAKING FOR BOTH OF US. OKAY. SEE, THIS IS WHERE, WHERE IT GETS TO BE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING. SO YOU ARE ASKING, YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR BOTH, BUT UNDER THREE, THREE MINUTES. FINE. THAT CLEARS IT UP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JOHN. UH, CAROL, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, TOM, UH, CARTER. OKAY. OKAY. AND SONIA CARTER, YOU'RE BOTH HERE. OKAY. GO AHEAD CAROL. HI, THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CAROL RIZZI. MY HUSBAND JOHN RIZZI. I'M SPEAKING FOR BOTH OF US. WE LIVE IN THE SADDLE ROCK COMMUNITY. WE HAVE OWNED PROPERTY HERE FOR 30 YEARS AND HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 25. UM, I REQUEST APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. IT'S GOING TO ENHANCE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. UM, NEEDLESS TO SAY, WE WOULD LOVE TO KEEP IT EMPTY. IN 30 YEARS HAVING THIS PROPERTY, IT WOULD BE JUST LOVELY TO KEEP IT AS IT IS. BUT THAT'S FANTASY. SO I THINK THAT THE BANEY HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB IN THE WHOLE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT. AND IF THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE IT AS LUSH AS THEY SAY, I THINK IT'LL BE A BEAUTIFUL ADDITION TO 89 A EVEN. UH, MORE SO IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS IS WHAT I'VE HEARD SEDONA ASKING FOR, FOR SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 25 YEARS. SO YOU'RE GETTING A SUBSTANTIAL, UM, COMMUNITY BENEFIT THERE. AS FAR AS, UM, I MEAN THE, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT, THEY'VE BEEN VERY ACCOMMODATING. I THINK, AGAIN, THAT STATEMENT ABOUT GOING FOR PERFECT IS, UH, I AGREE WITH THAT. UH, THERE IS NO PERFECT. I THINK, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL IN DOING THEIR JOB HAVE ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS, ARE, UM, SEEKING TO SEE OUR SIDE AS WELL AS, UH, WHAT THIS PROJECT CAN DO FOR SEDONA. BUT I THINK THE BANEY HAVE BEEN VERY ACCOMMODATING AND THEY'VE LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY AND THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF OUTREACH. UH, SO I HOPE YOU DO APPROVE THIS PROJECT AND, UH, I THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU CAROL. OKAY. UH, TOM CARTER, BE FOLLOWED BY BRIDGET. I'M TOM CARTER. I LIVE, UH, JUNEBUG CIRCLE. I'M ONE OF THE CLOSEST HOUSES TO THIS PROJECT OF SELF APPOINTED GATEKEEPER. YOU DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU GO RIGHT PAST MY HOUSE. WE'VE BEEN THERE ABOUT 13 YEARS. YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT I THINK IS GONNA HELP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE HEARD CONCERNS. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YOU TOURISTS WALKING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, GOING THE WRONG WAY, PUTTING SIGNS UP. WE'RE SEDONA. LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE ARE. I MEAN, WHEN WE, THAT'S WHAT WE DO. IT'S TOURISM. THAT'S WHAT I WORKED IN. I WAS A BALLOON PILOT HERE FOR 10 YEARS AND FOR US TO PUT SIGNS UP TO TELL PEOPLE TO STAY OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY SEEMS KIND OF WRONG. UM, WHAT GOES ON ACROSS THE STREET RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG WEEDY FIELD THAT BLOWS INTO MY YARD. IF IT'S NICE AND LANDSCAPED, IT MIGHT HELP ME OUT A LITTLE BIT. WE HAVE A DRAINAGE DITCH THAT RUNS BEHIND US. IT'S KIND OF AN UNDERGROUND SECRET HIGHWAY OF SEDONA. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU [03:20:01] GUYS KNOW ABOUT IT OR NOT, BUT YEAH. I CAN TAKE THE DRAINAGE DITCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WALGREENS IF I WANT. AND SO DO A LOT OF THE HOMELESS PEOPLE. SO THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GONNA, I DON'T KNOW, TELL SOMEBODY THAT THEY'RE NOT WELCOME IN OUR COMMUNITY. THEY, THEY WANT TO BE OUR NEIGHBORS. THEY'RE JUMPING THROUGH THESE HOOPS. IT SEEMS. I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE WROTE A LOT OF THIS DOWN, BUT I STILL HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES. IT'S OKAY. TAKE YOUR TIME. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE PUTTING A LOT OF OBSTACLES UP. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WHO'S GONNA DEVELOP THAT IS GONNA GO THROUGH THE TROUBLE THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE TO TRY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SO I SHOULD BE OPPOSED. THEY WANNA PUT ME OUTTA BUSINESS. I RUN A SHORT TERM RENTAL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET OUTTA MY HOME, YOU KNOW, BOO. BUT I GOTTA MAKE A BUCK LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. SO, SO I'M FOR IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. . OKAY. BRIDGET WILL BE FOLLOWED BY KRISTEN BROCK. HI, I AM BRIDGET RIDGE. AND JUST FIX THE MICROPHONE. I LIVE IN SADDLE ROCK. I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH ALMOST HALF OF SADDLE ROCK'S LOT OWNERS AND MOST ARE STILL CLEARLY OPPOSED, APPROXIMATELY AT LEAST, UH, 30% PLUS OF THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. AT LAST REVIEW, SUGGESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT WERE TO FIX THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY, OUTREACH TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, PROVIDE, DEVELOP, UH, WHAT IS IT, UM, YEAH, OUTREACH TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, PROVIDE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND ABOVE ALL, MORE HOUSING, WHICH HAS BEEN ASKED AT EVERY STEP FOR YEARS, ALONG WITH BRINGING EVERYTHING INTO COMPLIANCE. SINCE THEN, QUESTIONS REMAIN ABOUT THE CITY RELATIONSHIP AND CRITICALLY ALL REQUIRED PLANS AND DOCUMENTS MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ADMITTED, LET ALONE TIMELY SUBMITTED. IF THE CITY HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO FULLY EVALUATE AND VET THIS PROJECT, IT'S A HUGE CONCERN AND NO DECISION SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT IT. WE NEED OUR DEVELOPERS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY. NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH OCCURRED, BUT I THINK SHOULD HAVE STARTED WITH FINAL PLANS, WHICH WE ONLY SAW A MONTH AGO. I WAS DISAPPOINTED IN THE PROCESS, WHICH ENDED AT THAT POINT. AND DISCREPANCIES ARE STILL ARISING. ALL BUT ONE ZOOM MEETING WAS MADE ACCESSIBLE REMOTELY, DESPITE HALF OUR LOT OWNERS NOT LIVING HERE. AMONG OTHER SUGGESTIONS, DISMISSED LIKE POSTER BOARDS OF DESIGNS, HANDOUTS, ARCHITECT PARTICIPATION, BUT SEEING FINAL PLANS SOONER IS A BIG ONE. 'CAUSE ONCE AGAIN, WE AS LAYPERSONS ARE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ARCHITECTURAL DOCUMENTS AND THE PROJECT OVERALL. MAYBE WE WOULDN'T FEEL THE NEED OF THE CITY HAD HAD BEEN ABLE TO VET THE PROJECT OR UNANSWERED QUESTIONS OR CONTRADICTIONS DIDN'T REMAIN. MODIFICATIONS WERE INCORPORATED THAT MADE THE PROJECT MORE LIVABLE AND WE APPRECIATED THE BANEY PARTICIPATION. BUT WE FEEL THAT MANY ISSUES WERE SUMMARILY DISMISSED AND A LOT MORE COULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED. WE STILL OPPOSE THE UNDERGROUND LEVEL AND ROOFTOP AND OUTDOOR RESTAURANT PATIO USES, WHICH WE REALLY WANT CLOSED AT 8:00 PM UM, WE THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE A PUBLIC MEETING 12 MONTHS AFTER THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY TO REVISIT THE ROOF CLOSURE TIME. WE REMAIN ANXIOUS ABOUT IMPACTS AND NUISANCES LIKE THE ELIMINATION OR OBSTRUCTION OF VIEW, AMENITY NOISE, TRAFFIC ON HIGHWAY AND THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SIX ACRES AT 2,700 K, WHICH EVEN FULLY SHIELDED CAUSE LIGHT GLARE, LIGHT POLLUTION, AND SKY GLOW. A BIG PROBLEM IS TOO MANY ASSUMPTIONS AND ASSURANCES REQUIRE THAT WE ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S WORD AND PAST ISSUES MAKE THAT SCARY. I TRIED TO RECONCILE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH PROMISES MADE, BUT THE TYPE WAS TOO SMALL. I'M HOPING THE PET POLICY AND HOUSING LEASE AND ANY OTHER COMMITMENTS ARE ALSO INCORPORATED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AT LEAST ONE DISCREPANCY. GUESTS NOT WALKING THE DOGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT IN THE PET POLICY THAT GUESTS INITIAL. MANY WON'T READ THE GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD HOOD POLICY. THERE WAS A QUESTION OF WHETHER THE APPLICANT, UM, WELL THAT ONE DOES, IT'S ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED. SO FOR HOUSING, CREDIBLE SKEPTICISM REMAINS ABOUT INADEQUATE PROJECTIONS THAT OFFSET SIX NEW UNITS MINUS THE WORKFORCE HOUSING DONATION. PUBLIC USE OF THE RESTAURANT IS VERY RESTRICTED AND MAY BE ELIMINATED. GIVEN ALL THIS NUISANCE IMPACTS AND STRAINS ON INFRASTRUCTURE. SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY BENEFIT REQUIRED FOR A ZONING CHANGE HAS NOT BEEN DEMONSTRATED IN OUR OPINION. BUT A ZONING CHANGE, IF A ZONING CHANGE IS, OH. SO WE FEEL THAT THERE SHOULD BE A CONTINUATION FOR SIX MONTHS IF NOT DENIED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BRIDGETTE, DID YOU WANT TO ASK? I DID, BUT SHE JUST CLARIFIED IT. OKAY. SHE SAID CONTINUATION OR DENY. RIGHT. OKAY. UH, KRISTEN, AND THEN, UH, PETER WOULD BE NEXT. AWESOME. THANK YOU. MY NAME'S KRISTEN BROCK AND I'M A HOME HOMEOWNER IN SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE. UM, SO MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO. UM, AND WE'VE ENJOYED IT. I APPRECIATE THAT THE ENTIRE COUNCIL HAS COME TO THE OUTREACH MEETINGS. UM, SO THAT HAS BEEN REALLY NICE AND VERY HELPFUL. UNFORTUNATELY, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THIS [03:25:01] MEETS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT WILL WARRANT A ZONING CHANGE. UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF THE HOUSING, WHICH IS THE KEY HIGHLIGHT, IS EITHER A STUDIO OR ONE BEDROOM. UM, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I THINK THAT WE, UM, SHOULD BE ABLE TO FOSTER, UH, A PLACE FOR FAMILIES TO BE ABLE TO COME AND MOVE AND THEN THEIR CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THE HIGH SCHOOL AND CONTINUE KIND OF A VIBRANT PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO WORK AND LIVE. SO THAT'S KIND OF MY FOCUS AND WHERE I HAVE AN OPINION. UM, DO I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A NICE HOTEL? YES. , WILL IT BE BEAUTIFUL? YES. UM, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THAT THEY NEED TO FLUSH OUT THESE ISSUES, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE CITY TO KEEP THAT, UM, PARTNERSHIP GOING. BUT ULTIMATELY MY MAIN ISSUE HERE IS THAT A LOT OF THE HOUSING AND REALLY THE MAIN BENEFIT, UM, MIGHT NOT ADDRESS, UM, THE KEY ISSUES OF, OF ATTRACTING FAMILIES AND ATTRACTING PEOPLE WITH CHILDREN TO THIS AREA TO WORK AND LIVE. UM, AND REALLY THAT'S MY ONLY, UH, COMMENT. I THINK A LOT OF THE BENEFITS WITH TRAFFIC, UM, ARE KIND OF JUST, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW. UM, SO REALLY THE MAIN TWO BENEFITS ARE TRAFFIC AND HOUSING. UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW I FEEL, UM, THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA ACTUALLY MEET A SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY BENEFIT TO WARRANT A ZONING CHANGE FOR THIS PROPERTY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. FINAL CARD WILL BE PETER. UH, ANYONE ELSE HERE WISHES TO SPEAK AND HASN'T? UH, PLEASE DO SO NOW. UM, OTHERWISE WE'LL BE CLOSING OUT THE, THE COMMENT PERIOD. ALRIGHT. UH, PETER, START WITH YOUR NAME. I'M SURE YOU LIVE WITH YOUR WIFE, BUT UH, YOU HAVE TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, YOU NEVER KNOW. ABSOLUTELY. YOU NEVER, YOU NEVER, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, THAT'S TRUE. HI, UH, MY NAME IS PETER BROCK AND MY WIFE AND I OWN A HOME IN THE SETTLE ROCK NEIGHBORHOOD, DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE REZONING PROPOSAL. I'M A TEACHER AT SEDONA RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL. I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO INFLUENCE THE NEXT GENER NEXT GENERATION OF LEADERS IN OUR COMMUNITY. AS A TEACHER, I'M REMINDED ON A DAILY BASIS OF THE NEED OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN OUR CITY. MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES AND I STRUGGLE TO LAY DOWN ROOTS IN OUR COMMUNITY. I FEEL OVERWHELMED BY THE HEAVY BURDEN OF JUST LIVING WHERE I WORK. I'M ENCOURAGED TO SEE THE STEPS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, HAS MADE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE OVER THE YEARS. BUT I'M CONVINCED THAT THE REZONING ISSUE IN FRONT OF US TODAY LIES AT THE CRUX OF THE HOUSING PROBLEM. I'VE ATTENDED SEVERAL MEETINGS ON THIS MATTER, BOTH IN PERSON AND VIRTUALLY, AND I'VE TALKED WITH MY NEIGHBORS ABOUT THE VARIOUS CONCERNS THAT WE SHARE. ALTHOUGH THE, THE DESIGNS OF THIS HOTEL PROJECT MAY BE APPEALING AND ADDRESS MANY CONCERNS THAT WE RESIDENTS SHARE THIS PROJECT DOES LITTLE TO BENEFIT ME PERSONALLY. THE PARCEL OF LAND CURRENTLY ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USE IS HIGHLIGHTED AS A COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA PLAN TO CFA WITHIN THE CITY'S WEBSITE. PAGE 11 OF THE 25 PAGE SOLDIERS PASS ROAD COMMUNITY FOCUS PLAN ON THEIR WEBSITE. AGAIN, STATES NO ADDITIONAL LODGING USES ARE RECOMMENDED IN THIS CFA STUDIES HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND YET WE ARE DEBATING A CONCLUDED MATTER IS MORE LODGING NEEDED IN WEST SEDONA AND IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. ADDITIONALLY, ON THE SAME PAGE OF THAT DOCUMENT, THE CFA STATES, IF THE MIXED USE PROJECT INVOLVES PROPERTY ZONE AS RESIDENTIAL, THE EQUIVALENT NUMBER OF MAXIMUM UNITS ALLOWED UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING MUST BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. THE HOUSING SHALL BE MULTIFAMILY SUCH AS APARTMENTS, CONDOMINIUMS, TOWNHOUSES, OR EMPLOYEE HOUSING. I'M IN SUPPORT OF A MIXED USE HOUSING PROJECT FOR THIS PARCEL BECAUSE IT WILL DIRECTLY IMPACT THE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA. THE ZONING PROPOSAL REMAINS LARGELY IN OPPOSITION TO THE COMMUNITY GOAL OF OFFERING MORE HOUSING DIVERSITY AS IT WILL TAKE AWAY LAND CURRENTLY SET ASIDE FOR RESIDENTIAL USE TO FURTHER THE AGENDA OF A CORPORATION. RATHER, RATHER THAN THE NEEDS OF OUR CITY RESIDENTS A VOTE FOR REZONING SHOWS, CITY COUNCIL IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF PEOPLE WHO VISIT FOR A FEW DAYS OUT OF A YEAR OVER THOSE WHO LIVE AND CONTRIBUTE TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, HEARING PORTION, BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL FOR, UH, CLOSING COMMENTS. I JUST START. OKAY. WHAT? I CAN START WHOEVER YOU WANNA START WITH. OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU WOULD TELL. OKAY. JESSICA, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. I DO. AS YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. UM, THIS WAS A VERY INTERESTING, UH, EVENING. I THOUGHT. I THINK IT BROUGHT [03:30:01] OUT THE BEST AND THE WORST OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND LIKE, SO MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE CONTROVERSIAL. YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY LIKE WALKING THROUGH RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND I DON'T MIND PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH MINE. UM, I LIKE THE, I SUPPORT AND LIKE THE IDEA OF PERMEABLE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE PEOPLE WALK THROUGH OTHER PEOPLE'S NEIGHBORHOODS AND PEOPLE WALK THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AND PEOPLE WALK ALONG NON-HIGH ROUTE TO GET SOMEWHERE. THEY BIKE, THEY EVEN WALK THEIR DOGS. UM, AND I'M CLEARLY IN A MINORITY. UM, THERE SEEMS TO BE A SENSE THAT SOMEHOW STRANGERS ARE ENEMIES AND THERE'S SOME KIND OF THREAT. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD A LOT OF TIMES. I DID A LOT OF CENSUS WORK. I DID SOME CANVASSING AND NO ONE'S EVER ON THE STREETS. IT'S MAYBE IN THE EVENING THEY ARE. SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING PHENOMENON. UM, BUT I REALLY THINK PEOPLE SHOULD, ARE ALLOWED, NOT SHOULD BE, ARE ALLOWED TO PARK THEIR CARS ON PUBLIC STREETS. I THINK PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO DRIVE ON PUBLIC STREETS AND WALK ON PUBLIC STREETS. I THINK THAT'S WHAT PUBLIC STREETS ARE FOR. UM, AND I WOULD LIKE THE BIKES AT THE RESORT. I WOULD LIKE THE SIDEWALK EXTENDED, BUT I GUESS I JUST HAVE TO ACCEPT THE REALITY THAT, UH, THAT YOU GUYS DON'T. AND SO I DO ACCEPT THAT REALITY. UM, ABOUT THIS PROJECT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SPENT THE LAST I 25 YEARS WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD NUMBER OF, OF TRYING TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE CITY HAD HOUSING COMMISSIONS. THE CITY HAD PROJECTS. UM, IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS, THE COUNCIL ITSELF HAS PUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ASIDE FOR HOUSING, HIRED SOMEONE TO MANAGE IT. WE'VE HAD LIKE 10 OR 12 REALLY NICE SOUNDING PROJECTS. WE HAVEN'T BUILT ONE UNIT AND WE HAVEN'T BUILT ONE UNIT FOR A LOT OF REASONS. A LOT OF IT IS THAT NOBODY WANTS THEM, UM, IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD BY ANYWHERE WHERE THEY LIVE. ANOTHER REASON IS THAT, UM, FINANCING MONEY'S VERY TIGHT. ANOTHER HIGH, UH, MATERIALS ARE VERY HIGH. UM, NO, NO BUILDING CAN ACTUALLY BE BUILT AFFORDABLE. UH, IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. WE HAVEN'T BUILT ANY, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF NICE BIG PLANS AND I, I THINK WE WILL EVENTUALLY BUILD. BUT SO FAR, NONE HERE. WE HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE 46 AFFORDABLE UNITS. DO THEY MEET EVERYBODY'S NEEDS? NO. ARE THEY GOING TO MEET PEOPLE FROM MINNEAPOLIS, ARE GONNA FLY HERE WITH THEIR FAMILIES AND COME AND MOVE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT THERE? UM, NO. IT'S, IT'S A BUT WE HAVE NONE. WE HAVE NO APARTMENTS. AND THIS GIVES US 46. I DON'T THINK THAT'S NOTHING. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S NO COMMUNITY BENEFIT. AND I THINK TO ARGUE THAT IS, IS KIND OF INTERESTING. UM, 50% OF THE UNITS ON THE BUILDING, NEARLY 50% ARE INCOME RESTRICTED HOUSING. IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT SITE FOR HOUSING. IT'S WALKABLE. YOU DON'T NEED A CAR NECESSARILY. AND AS ODD AS IT MAY SEEM TO SOME OF US, SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE CARS. UM, NOT EVERY DEVELOPMENT'S GOING TO PROVIDE EVERY MIX OF HOUSING. SO THIS DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF, IT HAS SOME TWO BEDROOM. I'M SURPRISED IT HAS ANY TWO BEDROOMS, BUT IT HAS SOME TWO BEDROOM UNITS, WHICH I THINK ARE USEFUL. UM, UH, FOR FAMILIES WHO WILL WANT THEM. I GUESS I'M GOING, ONE OF THE FELLOWS HERE WHO SPOKE, I THINK IT WAS THE LAST ONE, SAID, THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS PROJECT FOR HIM. AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE, AND I THINK THAT'S TRUE OF MOST RESIDENTS. SO I THINK IT'S NOT UNUSUAL THAT 90% OF THE PEOPLE OF RESIDENTS UNITED, UM, DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING, DON'T LIKE THIS. THEY DON'T LIKE HOTELS, THEY DON'T LIKE, UM, THEY, THEY DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED HOTELS. SO I THINK IF WE ACTUALLY ONLY LISTEN TO INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS WHO DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANYTHING TO GAIN FROM THIS, YEAH, YOU PROBABLY SHOULD DENY IT BECAUSE INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS HAVE TOLD YOU THEY DON'T LIKE IT. UM, BUT THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE A WIDESPREAD SUPPORT FROM RESIDENTS FOR HOTELS. AND I THINK THAT IN GOOD FAITH, [03:35:02] IF WE SHOULD, IF, IF WE, IF WE CAN'T APPROVE HOTELS BECAUSE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS DON'T LIKE THEM AND THEY WON'T LIKE THEM, MOSTLY, I MEAN, I'M SURPRISED THERE'S ANYBODY HERE AND IT, AND IF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY DON'T LIKE THEM, WHICH THEY'RE NEVER GONNA BE A LOT OF ROBUST SUPPORTS FOR, FOR BUSINESSES, FOR HOTELS, THEN WE SHOULDN'T ACCEPT APPLICATIONS BECAUSE IT'S JUST REALLY NOT FAIR. EVERYBODY SAYS HOTELS CREATE TRAFFIC. SURE THEY DO. ANY DEVELOPMENT CREATES TRAFFIC. SHORT TERM RENTALS CREATE TRAFFIC. YOU ALL CREATE TRAFFIC. UM, AND SO NO, WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE HOTELS 'CAUSE WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE HOTELS. WHATEVER. HOWEVER, INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE DECIDE WHAT THEY NEED. HOTELS AREN'T ONE OF THEM. SO IF OUR, IF OUR REASON FOR SUPPORTING SOMETHING IS ONLY IF RESIDENTS SUPPORT IT, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD RETHINK THIS. UM, AND SAYING, YOU DON'T WANT HOTELS WHEN WE'RE GETTING 46 UNITS OF LOW INCOME HOUSING ONLY BECAUSE THE HOTEL IS BEING BUILT. THE ONLY REASON WE'RE GETTING THIS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S A LOT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY'RE ASKED, DO YOU WANT A HO NEW HOTEL OR NOT? THE EASY ANSWER, THE KNEE JERK REACTION IS, NO, I DON'T WANT A NEW HOTEL AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY MOVING DOWN THE STREET FROM ME EITHER. AND I'D LIKE THIS LOT KEPT EMPTY. OKAY. I THINK WE ALL SORT OF KNOW HOW THIS WORKS. I KNOW IT'S, I THINK THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS IS PRETTY REMARKABLE. I THINK KNOWING WHAT I KNOW ABOUT HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO BUILD THIS STUFF, IT'S A REMARKABLE INVESTMENT. I THINK THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW LUCRATIVE HOTELS ARE. BUT I THINK THE FACT THAT WE GOT OR WOULD GET 46 UNITS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD MATTER . AND IT CAN'T, I THINK JUST THE SMUCKERS, OH, IT'S REALLY NOT A COMMUNITY BENEFIT. MAYBE SOME PEOPLE CAN HAVE THAT ATTITUDE. I JUST THINK IT'S UNCONSCIONABLE FOR ME TO HAVE THAT ATTITUDE. UM, I I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THE VANNEY HAVEN'T GIVEN THE COMPLETE, UM, INFORMATION. I THINK, I THINK IT'S REMARKABLE ACTUALLY THAT THEY HAVE HAVEN'T. BUT THIS IS A GRADE SCHOOL WHERE YOU GET A A GRADE FOR TURNING IT IN ON TIME. AND IF YOU DON'T TURN IT IN ON TIME, YOU GET A SLAP ON THE HAND. I MEAN, THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SAID THAT THIS ISN'T USUALLY WHAT WE DO AND IT'S NOT A GREAT IDEA AND HE WOULDN'T LIKE TO DO IT. BUT IT CAN BE HANDLED IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS. AND IF IT DOESN'T GET HANDLED, IT DOESN'T GET BUILT. I MEAN, SIMPLE AS THAT. UM, BUT I DO THINK IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS NOT BEEN MORE RESPONSIBLE IN NEEDING THESE DEADLINES, UH, SIX MONTHS. UH, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT'S A LONG TIME. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'VE MADE LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF CHANGES. UM, AND THERE WILL STILL BE MORE CHANGES AS IT GOES ALONG. SO I GUESS IN SHORT, SCOTT , I, UH, I THINK THIS IS A PROJECT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD LOCATION FOR HOTEL. I THINK THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN VERY, VERY AGREEABLE TO WHAT SEEMED TO ME ARE A LOT OF, OF VERY SERIOUS REQUESTS THAT, AS A MATTER OF FACT DON'T AFFECT HIS HOTEL PARTICULARLY, BUT AFFECT SORT OF WHAT SEDONA IS, WHICH IS NOT WELCOMING IS, IS BASICALLY THE, THE BOTTOM LINE THERE. BUT BE THAT AS IT MAY, I'LL SUPPORT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE ONLY RIGHT THING TO DO. AND I THINK THE 46 UNITS IS SOMETHING. AND, AND I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR IT ON THE BASIS OF THE ACCOMMODATIONS THE DEVELOPER HAS MADE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ON THE BASIS OF THE HOUSING. THANK YOU, PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. OH, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT OUR, UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL PACKET PAGES 1 54, 55, 56. CARRIE, AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS SOME GENERAL LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT WAS KIND OF BROAD THAT SAYS THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE LDC AND THOSE THINGS. UH, MANY OF THESE ISSUES THAT I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, BUT I'M PARTICULARLY LOOKING AT NUMBER FIVE, NUMBER 11 AND NUMBER 12. I THINK [03:40:01] THEY'RE ALL KIND OF GENERAL. MIKE. A QUESTION I WANT TO ASK YOU AND PERHAPS OTHERS IS BASED ON THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID TONIGHT, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IS NOT COVERED IN EITHER THE DA OR THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE SHOULD ADD TO EITHER? UM, I DO HAVE SOME NOTES ABOUT POTENTIAL, SOME CLARIFICATIONS THAT WE MIGHT NEED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND IF YOU GO FORWARD WITH APPROVAL, I WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND A CHANGE TO CONDITION NUMBER FIVE, UM, TO INCLUDE, 'CAUSE IT JUST SAYS, UM, APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE PLANS WITH SUFFICIENT INFORMATION ON THEM TO ALLOW CITY STAFF TO REVIEW FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE PLANS APPROVED. UM, THESE CONDITIONS APPROVAL. AND I WOULD ADD IN AND THE PLANS PRESENTED TO AND DESCRIBED TO THE CITY COUNCIL THIS EVENING, UM, TO INCORPORATE THAT. AND IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC, YOU COULD ADD THAT AS WELL. AND KURT CAN WEIGH IN. YEAH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. ALSO, NOTE THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT CHANGE IN THE CONDITION APPROVAL AND, AND IF IT ENDED UP A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL WANTED TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT, WE COULD JUST TAKE FIVE MINUTES AND DRAFT IT UP AND HAVE IT UP ON THE SCREEN FOR COUNCIL. UM, UH, THE LDC ALREADY REQUIRES AS A CONDITION APPROVAL, ALL THE REPRESENTATIONS MADE BY AN APPLICANT AT A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, BECOME A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. SO EVERYTHING MR. TATE HAS SAID, UH, TONIGHT, UH, WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE INCLUDED. BUT IT DOESN'T, IT ALWAYS IS HELPFUL TO HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN, UH, AS WELL. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I I I REMAIN SORT OF TROUBLED AT THE PROCESS THAT IT TOOK TO GET THROUGH HERE. AND I, AND I, I, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO LOOK AT EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT SO FAR ON BOTH THE CITY SIDE AND THE APPLICANT SIDE. 'CAUSE I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED HERE. AND EVEN TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR STAFF TALK ABOUT THAT THERE, THERE'S SHORTCOMINGS AND THINGS THAT AREN'T THERE, BUT WE ALSO HEAR STAFF TALK ABOUT, BUT THEY'RE ALL FIXED EITHER BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO, 'CAUSE THEY'RE IN THE LDC OR THEY CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. UH, YOU KNOW, I'M LEFT TO WONDER EXACTLY WHAT I SHOULD DO. UH, AND I THINK WE'VE NOW SAID IT ENOUGH TIMES THAT EVERYTHING CAN BE FIXED IN THIS PROJECT THAT WAS OBJECTED TO BY STAFF OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT IT'S LODGING AND THE, UH, THE, UH, CFA. AND SO THE NEXT TIME THAT WE GET TO THE PROCESS LIKE THIS, I DON'T WANT THIS TO OCCUR IN A CITY COUNCIL MEETING. I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE STAFF ON THE SAME PAGE SAYING THE SAME THINGS TO ME INSTEAD OF WHAT HEAR WHAT I HEAR AS DIFFERING THINGS AS WE THINK ABOUT THIS PROJECT. AND THERE'S A SENTIMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT NO MORE HOTELS. I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO THINK THAT STATEMENT THROUGH CAREFULLY BECAUSE IF THERE'S NO MORE HOTELS, THERE'S A DEMAND FOR LODGING IN THIS COMMUNITY AND IT'S GONNA PUT MORE PRESSURE ON SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT ABSOLUTELY CAREFULLY ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD NOT, UH, APPROVE ANY MORE HOTELS IN IN OUR COMMUNITY. JUST A LITTLE NOTE OF HUMOR. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS BROUGHT IT UP. IT'S A PET PEEVE OF MINE, I GUARANTEE. SO I'M GONNA ASK THE, UH, APPLICANT TO JUST THINK ABOUT RESERVING THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE A SIDEWALK ADDED INTO THE COMMUNITY AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. AT SOME POINT, THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT COMMUNITY ARE GONNA COME TO US. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS OR 20 YEARS, BUT THEY'RE GONNA COME TO US AND SAY, WHY ISN'T THERE A SIDEWALK? WE LOVE GOING TO THAT HOTEL. OUR FOOTPRINTS ARE ON THE PATH RIGHT NEXT TO IT. RIGHT? THERE'S GONNA BE A SIDEWALK AT SOME POINT. SO JUST DON'T PUT ANYTHING PERMANENT IN THERE. SOMEDAY WE'RE ALL GONNA HAVE TO GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT ADDING A SIDEWALK, UH, ONTO IN, INTO SHE THIS PATH. HM. SHE HAD USE PATH SHE USE BE MAYBE, UH, ANOTHER BIG ISSUE FOR ME THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS GOT TO CONSIDER IS WHETHER WE'RE REALLY GONNA BE EXPECTING, WELL, WE'LL START WITH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR ALL OF ITS EMPLOYEES. AND IS THAT REALLY AN EXPECTATION THAT WE NEED TO HOLD OUT? BECAUSE A HOUSING PROBLEM IN THIS COMMUNITY IS CAUSED BY A VARIETY OF REASONS. ONE OF THEM PRINCIPAL REASON IS IT'S EXPENSIVE IN SEDONA AND IT'S EXPENSIVE IN SEDONA BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE US HAVE MOVED HERE AND WE ARE WILLING TO PAY WHAT IT [03:45:01] TOOK TO MOVE HERE. AND SO THE PRICE OF HOUSING HAS GONE UP BECAUSE OF US. SO SHOULD WE REQUIRE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO PAY FOR HOUSING FOR EMPLOYEES, RIGHT? WE NEED SERVICES WE'RE ADDING TO THE DEMAND FOR JOBS IN THE COMMUNITY. SO, YOU KNOW, I, IT'S, IT'S I THINK, DANGEROUS ILL-CONCEIVED TO JUST THINK ABOUT HAVING ANY SPECIFIC PROJECT PAY FOR HOUSING PROJECTS FOR ALL OF ITS EMPLOYEES. THAT, THAT ARGUMENT JUST DOESN'T RING FOR ME. I THINK IT CAUSES LOTS OF PROBLEMS. AND THEN I THINK FINALLY A MESSAGE FOR MR THE BANEY FAMILY. SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE. IF THIS PROJECT GETS APPROVED, SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE FOR YOU TO GET IT THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS AND HAVE ANY HIDE LEFT ON YOUR BODIES OR THE BODIES OF OUR STAFF. I DON'T KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE MR. BANEY, BUT SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE. I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I AM AFRAID OF THE PRESSURE WE'RE PUTTING ON SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND I WOULD RATHER HAVE OUR GUESTS STAY AT HOTELS. I THINK THIS PROJECT IN THE BANEY FAMILY HAVE BENT OVER BACKWARDS AND PROBABLY HAVE DONE ALMOST AS MUCH OUTREACH AS WE DID FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY PLAN. I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW MUCH IT COST FOR US TO, FOR YOU TO HAVE GONE THROUGH THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE SET FORTH FOR YOU. AND I THINK THAT YOU RESPONDED VERY WELL IN MANY, MANY DIFFERENT AREAS. UH, AND WHAT WAS THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE? YOU KNOW, DON'T LET, UH, GREAT PERFECTION, PERFECTION GET IN THE WAY OR GREAT. GET IN THE WAY OF PERFECTION. THANK YOU, COUNSELOR. IT'S ONE OF THE OTHER, IT'S NOT EVEN 10 O'CLOCK YET AND I'M CONFUSED. UM, I THINK THAT THE BANEY FAMILY AND THIS HOTEL WILL BE, UH, LAUDABLE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, MUCH LIKE A RECENT HOTEL PROJECT THAT WE APPROVED IN CITY COUNCIL. AND SO, YEAH, THAT'S, THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. PETE, KATHY, UH, I'M GONNA START WITH JUST IF THERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IF WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT CHANGES WE WANT IN THAT, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I DIDN'T HEAR ENUMERATED THAT CAME UP TONIGHT TOO. FIRST WAS THE TREES REGARDING THE IMPINGEMENT OF VIEWS. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT INCLUDED. UH, IF WE GET TO THAT POINT. AND ALSO THE STATEMENT ABOUT APPLYING THE QUIET HOURS TO THE HOTEL AS WELL AS TO THE RESIDENCE. THAT'S, I WANT TO, I WANNA SEE THAT IN WRITING IN ANYTHING THAT GOES FORWARD FOR APPROVAL, IF THAT'S WHERE WE END UP. UM, JUST TO GENERAL COMMENTS, I I I, I ALSO GENERALLY PREFER TO SEE VISITORS IN HOTELS VERSUS, UM, IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WHERE THEY MAY NOT BE GETTING INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, HOW TO BE THE BEST VISITOR AND TEMPORARY GUEST IN THIS COMMUNITY. SO GENERALLY, I THINK IT IS A BETTER WAY TO HANDLE THINGS. BUT THE QUESTION FOR ME ISN'T ABOUT NO MORE HOTELS IN SEDONA. IT'S ABOUT THIS AREA WE HAD SPECIFICALLY IN OUR ZONING HAD THEN SAID WE DIDN'T WANT ADDITIONAL HOTELS IN THIS LOCATION. UM, WE MADE A STATEMENT ABOUT THAT. WE ALREADY CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION IN, IN PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS. SO THIS COUNCIL, BY THE WAY, THIS COUNT, THIS EXACT COUNCIL. THAT'S CORRECT. YES. I DON'T THINK WE WERE ON THE YET. YEAH, YOU, YEAH, YEAH. THIS HAPPENED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. WE, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION. I REMEMBER. OKAY. OKAY. LET'S NOT, RIGHT, LET'S LOOK. ANYWAY. SO AGAIN, FOR ME, THIS, THIS AREA WE'VE ALREADY OPINED ON AND I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE CONSISTENT IN WHAT WE APPLY. UM, THAT'S ONE CONCERN. ANOTHER CONCERN IS THE, I, FIRST OF ALL, I DO SERIOUSLY AND SINCERELY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE ADDITIONAL OUTREACH THAT WAS DONE TO THE NEIGHBORS AT THE REQUEST OF THIS COUNCIL. I THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN EVEN MORE, UH, HAD A FIRMER REQUEST AS WELL. BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THIS ISN'T JUST FOR ME ABOUT THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AND COMMUNITY SUPPORTER, OPPOSITION, THE COMMUNITY IS WIDER THAN JUST THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. NOW, THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, WHEN YOU COME OUT IN SUPPORT OF A PROJECT THAT'S VERY TELLING AND SAYS A LOT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND CAN BE CONVINCING AND SWAYING, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE. [03:50:01] I THINK THAT THE COMMENTARY TONIGHT IS, WAS PRETTY EVENLY SPLIT. IT WAS SIX OPPOSED AND FIVE IN SUPPORT, AND ANOTHER SPEAKER WAS THE APPLICANT THEMSELVES. SO I'M NOT COUNTING THAT IN THOSE NUMBERS. SO IN TERMS OF EMAILS THAT WE GOT, I AM I AGAIN, WHAT HAPPENS WITH YOUR IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT NEIGHBORS IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT AND GOOD. BUT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AND THE COMMUNITY IMPACT AS A WHOLE FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND IF SOMEBODY LIVES DOWN ON DRY CREEK ROAD, I HAVE TO WEIGH THAT. NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT LIVE ON SADDLE ROCK. UM, IT'S TRAFFIC, UH, CONGESTION, UH, IMPACT HOUSING BENEFITS, ALL OF THAT. IT IMPACTS OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, NOT JUST NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THE APPLICANT DID HAVE YEARS TO DEVELOP THE PROJECT UNDER THE OLD ZONING, AND THEN WE WOULDN'T BE HERE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE THE LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS . UM, BUT THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. AND THAT, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THIS COUNCIL OR THIS COMMUNITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. IT WAS THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSIBILITY. THE FACT THAT ZONING CHANGED, ZONING CHANGED. UM, I CAN'T READ MY OWN WRITING HERE ON MY NOTES. UH, AND AFTER EXTENSIVE OR SEVERAL EXTENSIONS ON THIS, I MEAN, WE WERE HERE BEFORE AND THERE WERE THINGS THAT HAVE NOT COME IN AND WE'RE STILL HEARING STAFF SAY THAT THE DOCUMENTATION IS NOT COMPLETE. THAT THERE ARE CONTRADICTIONS. I'M SORRY, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM FOR ME. 'CAUSE THERE WAS TIME TO SPECIFICALLY DO THAT. IT'S NOT JUST LIKE YOU'RE TOLD, GO DO THIS ONE THING AND YOU LET THE OTHERS GO. YOU DON'T TAKE SIX SUBJECTS IN SCHOOL AND ONLY YOU PAY, PAY ATTENTION TO ONE AND EXPECT TO GRADUATE. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. UM, YOU HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE WHOLE THING. AND THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. SO THE APPLICATION IS STILL NOT COMPATIBLE AND THEY'RE STILL NOT DETAILS FOR THE HEIGHTS, THE ELEVATIONS, UM, THE BUILDING COVERAGE, THE SETBACKS, THE ORIENTATIONS. I MEAN, THESE ARE, THESE ARE, THEY'RE CONTRADICTIONS IN RENDERINGS. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME. UM, THE PROJECTS, THE BIG, THE BIG ONE OF THE BIG ITEMS ON THE TABLE IS, IS THE HOUSING A COMMUNITY BENEFIT? AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO BE SAID FOR 46 UNITS. I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT, IT'S A LOT OF UNITS COMPARED TO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR RELATED TO THE HOTEL UNITS. HOWEVER, , SORRY BEN, YOU KNEW THERE'D BE. HOWEVER, UM, HOWEVER, YOUR PROJECT IS GOING TO CREATE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL, YOU'RE CREATE CREATING THE NEED FOR EMPLOYEES THAT NEED HOUSING RIGHT THERE. SO WHEN I LOOK AT 46 VERSUS, YOU KNOW, YOUR, UM, YOUR A HUNDRED, I'M STILL NOT SEEING A NET BENEFIT. I'M SEEING THAT THAT'S GONNA BE EATEN UP AND USED UP WITHIN THE PROJECT ITSELF. SO I'M NOT SEEING A NET BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. AND COMMUNITY BENEFIT IS REALLY ONE OF THE MAIN CONSIDERATIONS. SO, UM, ALSO IS CONCERNED, I MEAN, I'M, YOU KNOW, GLAD TO SEE THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S GONNA BE LEAD CER, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA BUILD TO LEAD STANDARDS, BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT IT'S A, I'M, I'VE NEVER BEEN A BIG SUPPORTER OF, UM, SELF CERTIFICATIONS, WHICH IS WHAT THIS WOULD BE BY NOT, AND I UNDERSTAND THE MONETARY IMPACT. I DON'T BLAME YOU AT ALL FOR NOT GOING FOR THE FILING FOR THE LEAD CERTIFICATION. BUT AGAIN, THAT LEADS YOU BACK TO SELF-CERTIFICATION. AND I'VE JUST NEVER BEEN A BIG FAN OF THAT. UM, I, AGAIN, I SEE INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN HOW THE HOTEL GUESTS ARE GONNA BE TREATED AND THE RESIDENTS ARE GONNA BE TREATED. I DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME FOR THESE VARIOUS CONCERNS. THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT BEING A BIG ONE OF THEM, THE LACK OF THE THOROUGHNESS OF THE APPLICATION, UM, INCONSISTENCIES THERE I AM, AT THIS POINT, I AM NOT, AND I SAY AT THIS POINT, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN EXTENSION AGAIN TO THIS PROJECT. I WANNA SAY THAT BECAUSE, AND IT REALLY IS, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR OF THE APPLICANT. EVERY TIME THERE'S AN EXTENSION ON THIS PROJECT THERE THINK THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE FIXED AND IT'S GOING TO, TO RESULT IN A YES, BUT IT, IT KEEPS COMING BACK AND YOU KEEP GETTING KICKED DOWN THE ROAD. AND REALLY, FOR YOUR SAKE, I BELIEVE THAT THAT HAS TO STOP. BUT WITH EVERYTHING THAT I STATED BEFORE THAT I HAVE TO SAY I CANNOT SUPPORT THE PROJECT. ALTHOUGH I, THERE ARE THINGS ABOUT IT THAT I LIKE AND I SAID THAT LAST TIME. I JUST, IT JUST DOESN'T WEIGH OUT FOR ME. THANK YOU, KAREN. BUT THANKS FOR YOUR EFFORT, BRIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, FIRST OFF, UM, THANK YOU TO, TO CARRIE, TO, UH, JEANIE, TO STAFF THAT HAVE WORKED ON THIS PROJECT OVER A PERIOD OF, UH, MANY MONTHS AND, AND YEARS. [03:55:01] UH, AS IT TURNS OUT, UM, ONE OF THE FACETS THAT, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IS, IS CLEAR, IS STAFF WOULD NEVER BE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THIS, GIVEN THAT IT NEEDS A ZONE CHANGE THAT ONLY COUNSEL CAN PROVIDE. IS THAT PRETTY FAIR? YEP. OKAY. SO, UM, JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE. UH, ALSO IF, UH, HE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE READ, WE HAVE A EMAIL RECEIVED ON THE FLY FROM THE DIRECTOR OF THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT READ? SURE, GO AHEAD. OKAY. SO THIS IS, UH, ON BEHALF OF NATE MYERS, THE DIRECTOR OF THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY IN THE SEDONA HISTORICAL MUSEUM. I CANNOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT AS I'M WORKING A FACILITY RENTAL AT THE MUSEUM. I'M WATCHING THE LIVE STREAM. I CANNOT LET IT STAND THAT I AND THE ORGANIZATION I REPRESENT IS BEING ACCUSED OF TAKING A BRIBE. AS THE SECOND PUBLIC SPEAKER THIS EVENING STATED, A BRIBE IS DEFINED AS PERSUASION TO ACT IN ONE'S FAVOR, TYPICALLY ILLEGALLY OR DISHONESTLY BY A GIFT OF MONEY OR OTHER INDUCEMENT. BEY WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AND DECIDED TO DO SO VIA A PLEDGED GIFT TO THE SUSAN HISTORICAL SOCIETY FOR IMPROVEMENTS AT COOK'S CEDAR GLADES CEMETERY. I REIT I REITERATE MY COMMENTS TO YOU BACK IN MARCH, THAT THEY DID NOT ASK ME TO LOBBY FOR THEM. THEY DID NOT ASK ME TO DO ANYTHING FOR THEM. THE PLEDGE IS FREE AND CLEAR. YOU WILL NOTE THAT IN MARCH, I DID NOT VOUCH FOR THEM, BUT RATHER SPOKE TO THE GOOD. SUCH A GIFT WOULD BE FOR THE CEMETERY AND THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. YOU WILL ALSO NOTE THAT I AM NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING UNTIL NOW. UM, FIVE MINUTES AGO EXACTLY. UH, NOR DID I SUBMIT COMMENTS IN ADVANCE. IN SHORT, I AM NOT ACTING EITHER IN PERSONAL CAPACITY OR AS HEAD OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY IN A WAY TO EITHER SUPPORT OR OPPOSE THEIR PROJECT OR IN ANY WAY INFLUENCE THE VOTE OF THE COUNCIL. I CAN'T BELIEVE I HAVE TO WRITE THIS, BUT I DID NOT ACCEPT A BRIBE. I CAN TAKE THE HIT. MY EGO IS SECURE ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT I DID NOTHING WRONG. I DID NOT ACCEPT A BRIBE, AND I DON'T NEED TO BE UPSET ON MY OWN BEHALF. I AM UPSET ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY, WHICH ORGANIZATION ALSO DID NOTHING WRONG IN ACCEPTING A PLEDGED GIFT, WHICH THE DEVELOPER PROMISED IN ORDER TO FULFILL A REQUIREMENT TO SHOW A COMMUNITY BENEFIT TO THEIR PROJECT. THANK YOU, NATE. UM, BACK TO MY COMMENTS. SO, UM, SIX MONTHS AGO, MR. TATE, I BELIEVE I SAID THAT YOUR OUTREACH WAS BOTCHED. I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE TERM, AND YOU'RE STILL WEARING THAT WOUND. UM, BUT I CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT IT'S BEEN EXEMPLARY AND, UM, IT HAS EXCEEDED, I BELIEVE, WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BY CODE, RIGHT? AS FAR AS LIKE A RADIUS AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO, UH, IT CERTAINLY HAS, UH, BEEN ROBUST. AND WHILE THERE ARE STILL SOME OPEN ITEMS, IT HAS BEEN MADE CLEAR THAT THEY HAVE TO BE SATISFIED IN ORDER FOR PERMITS TO BE GRANTED. SO THE COMMUNITY IS PROTECTED IN THAT REGARD. IN TERMS OF, UH, PAST DECISIONS TO ELIMINATE LODGING, I THINK THAT THAT WAS NOT JUST STRICTLY SAYING, NO, WE DON'T NEED MORE LODGING, BUT RATHER BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL LODGING. AND I THINK THERE IS, UH, A DIFFERENCE THERE BECAUSE THE FORMER IMPLIES A MORATORIUM AND THE LATTER PROVIDES, UH, A STRATEGIC OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE DECISIONS ON WHETHER TO SUPPORT LODGING OR NOT. SO, UH, WHERE I WANNA FOCUS MY COMMENTS FROM HERE, STARTING WITH, UH, THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH IS THAT, UM, I PERSONALLY WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THREE OF THE FOUR PUBLIC MEETINGS, AS DID THE BANEY, AND I SAW THEM THERE. UH, WE OVERLAPPED FOR A COUPLE OF THOSE, AND, UH, A FEW NEIGHBORS DID TAKE ME UP ON THE OFFER TO COME AND MEET WITH THEM AT THEIR HOMES. AND I THANK THEM FOR THAT. UM, I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS EXTREMELY SAVVY IN ASKING FOR EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE. AND IF I WERE A RESIDENT OF SADDLE ROCK, I WOULD'VE ASKED FOR ALL THOSE THINGS TOO. SOME MIGHT SAY THEY ASKED FOR THE STARS AND MOON, AND I'M NOT ABOVE ASKING FOR THAT. AND, UH, AGAIN, I I WOULD'VE BEEN RIGHT THERE WITH YOU ALL, UH, ASKING FOR ALL THOSE THINGS. I THINK THE BANEY HAVE BEEN EXTRAORDINARILY ACCOMMODATING TO THOSE ASKS. BASICALLY SAYING YES TO JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO GRANT. THIS INCLUDES CHANGES TO OUTDOOR OPERATING HOURS, SOUND LIGHTING, SHIELDING FOR PRIVACY AND JUST SOUND LIGHT AND NOISE IN GENERAL, UH, INCLUDES ACCOMMODATION TO ENCOURAGE NEIGHBORHOOD PRIVACY FROM VEHICULAR AND FOOT TRAFFIC AND PET TRAFFIC. UH, I THINK WHEN THE DAY IS DONE, THE BANEY HAVE PUT FORTH A GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY AND SET OF COMMITMENTS THAT I WISH WE COULD OBTAIN FROM ANY OTHER PROPOSED PROJECT IN TOWN. I MEAN, THIS IS EXTRAORDINARY WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING US, AND WE DON'T GET THAT FROM ANYBODY ELSE. I DO NOT BELIEVE [04:00:01] A CONTINUANCE IS WARRANTED AT THIS TIME. AND IT CONCERNS ME THAT THERE WOULD BE ONGOING NEGOTIATION FOR FURTHER CONCESSIONS FROM THE BANEY IF, UH, IF THIS WAS CONTINUED AS A YOUNG ENGINEERING STUDENT AT PURDUE GO BOILER MAKERS. UH, ONE OF THE CONCEPTS THAT I LEARNED WAS THAT OF A DESIGN FREEZE, MEANING THAT AT A CERTAIN STAGE, NO MORE CHANGES MAY BE ALLOWED IN ORDER THAT THE DESIGN MAY MOVE FORWARD. I BELIEVE WE'RE AT THAT STAGE WITH THIS PROJECT. I KNOW SOME WISH THAT THE DESIGN FREEZE WAS FULLY REPRESENTED IN THE, UH, DRAWINGS AND, UH, SUBMISSIONS, BUT KEEP IN MIND, THE SUBMISSIONS WERE DUE AT LEAST THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE LAST PUBLIC MEETING OCCURRED, AND THERE WERE STILL ASKS BEING MADE OF THE DEVELOPER AT THE LAST PUBLIC MEETING. SO IT'S, IT, IT WAS ESSENTIALLY AN IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION. I THINK. UM, I WANNA RECOGNIZE THE NEIGHBORS FOR THEIR ENGAGEMENT AT, UM, YOU ALL HAVE REPRESENTED THE BEST OF CIVIC ENGAGEMENT OR CIVIC INVOLVEMENT IN TOWN. UH, AGAIN, HAVING ATTENDED, YOU KNOW, THREE OF YOUR MEETINGS AND, AND HAVING YOU ALL HERE TWICE NOW. AND EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T ALL AGREE, UM, THE, THE NEIGHBORLINESS THAT YOU ALL HAVE EXTENDED TO ONE ANOTHER IS WONDERFUL TO SEE. AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE DON'T ALWAYS SEE THAT. UM, AND KEEPING IN MIND THAT WHENEVER COMPROMISE IS REQUIRED, NOBODY GETS EVERYTHING THEY WANT, BUT IDEALLY, EVERYONE GETS ENOUGH OF WHAT THEY NEED. AND I BELIEVE THAT HURDLE HAS BEEN MET HERE. I WANNA TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY BENEFITS. UM, A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY HAS POSTED A PIECE ASKING WHETHER SEDONA NEEDS MORE HOTELS. MY ANSWER IS PROBABLY NO. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED HOTELS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT QUESTION ALONE, BUT LEADS TO A COMPLETE ANALYSIS OF THE PROJECT AND ITS IMPACTS. AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE CHARGED AS A COUNCIL WITH LOOKING AT COMMUNITY BENEFITS, OF WHICH I FIND SEVERAL COMPELLING. UM, MR. TATE HAS SHARED A NUMBER OF THEM, AND WHILE NOT DISCOUNTING ANY IN PARTICULAR, I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THOSE THAT I THINK MATTER MOST. THE FIRST IS WHAT I'LL CALL THE LESSER OF EVILS. UH, OF COURSE IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THE PROPERTY REMAINED IN ITS CURRENT STATE IN PERPETUITY. AND, UH, UH, MS. RIZZI, YOU, UH, I GET THERE YOU ARE. YEP. UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WOULD LOVE THAT IF, IF NOTHING ELSE WOULD BE BUILT, RIGHT? BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT REALISTIC. AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, PRIVATELY LAND, PRIVATELY OWNED LAND WILL BE DEVELOPED AND WHETHER IT'S BY THE BEYS OR ANOTHER PAR PROP, AH, ANOTHER PARTY, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA STAY IN ITS CURRENT STATE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER IF THE BEYS HAD PUT THE PEDAL TO THE METAL AND GOTTEN THIS TO THE GOAL LINE SOME YEARS BACK. BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS AT THIS POINT. UM, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS THAT DEPICTS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PROPOSED PROJECT AND THE BUYRIGHT ALTERNATIVES, TO ME, DEMONSTRATES A HUGE SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY IRRESPECTIVE OF WHERE YOU LIVE, WHETHER THAT'S ON DRY CREEK ROAD OR ON SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE, UH, OR JUNEBUG. UM, TO HAVE A QUARTER ROUGHLY OF THE TRAFFIC VOLUME OF THE UNLIKELY, BUT OTHER BEST CASE SCENARIO IS OF SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT GIVEN THAT THIS LAND WILL DEVELOP AT SOME POINT HOUSING. THE, THE HOUSING, UH, IS A SIGNIFICANT COMPONENT TO THIS, A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT. AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TH I'M NOT GONNA DOUBT THE, THE HONESTY OF THE BANEY AS FAR AS THE FTE COUNTS THAT THEY NEED TO BUILD OR TO RUN THEIR PROPERTY. I MEAN, THEY'VE DONE THE HOMEWORK, THEY'VE TOLD US THE NUMBERS, LIKE THAT'S NOT GOOD BUSINESS. YOU DON'T JUST COME IN HERE AND LIE ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS. AND SO WE HAVE TO TAKE YOU AT YOUR WORD ON THAT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AT 35 FTES, OKAY, NOW, YOU KNOW, I KNOW MR. TATE DOESN'T LIKE COMPARING IT EXACTLY AGAINST THE WORKFORCE HOUSING UNIT NUMBERS, BUT I DO THINK IT'S A GOOD COMPARISON. SO RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE, 46 VERSUS 35 IS A BENEFIT OF 11 RIGHT THERE. NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, MR. TATE, YOU SAID THAT YOU'VE HAD SOME DATA THAT SAYS 1.5 WORKERS PER BED. UM, I TRIED TO FIND, YOU KNOW, SOME DATA ON MY OWN. I DIDN'T COME UP WITH ANYTHING. I JUST USED 1.2, BUT EITHER WAY, THAT PROVIDES SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 55 AND 69 ADULT HOUSED PEOPLE IN THOSE 46 UNITS. AND THAT DOES REPRESENT A 20 TO 34 ADULT WORKER INCREMENTAL BENEFIT ABOVE JUST PROVIDING HOUSING FOR THE HOTEL ITSELF. THAT IS SIGNIFICANT. AND IF YOU'RE [04:05:01] QUESTIONING WHETHER THAT'S A BENEFIT TO YOU, I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES, BECAUSE THOSE INCREMENTAL PEOPLE COULD BE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SERVING YOU AT A RESTAURANT, HELPING YOU WITH THE CHECKOUT LINE AT THE GROCERY, GETTING YOUR STARBUCKS, AND DOING SO WITH A BETTER ATTITUDE, UH, BEING PART OF A, A BETTER STAFFED TEAM. THOSE ARE ALL BENEFITS THAT WE WOULD ALL LIKE TO HAVE A BETTER SERVICE EXPERIENCE AS RESIDENTS IN THIS TOWN. AND I THINK THAT THIS LEADS TO THAT BETTERED EXPERIENCE. SO, UM, I THINK A FEW OTHER JUST MINOR BENEFITS. I MEAN, THE AESTHETIC DESIGN THAT HAS BEEN APPLIED TO THIS PROJECT, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ANGLE YOU LOOK AT, AGAIN, COMPARED TO A STRIP PLAZA, UH, OR ONE OF THESE OTHER COMMERCIAL, UH, PROPERTIES THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED BY RIGHT WHERE, UH, THE FOLKS IN SADDLE ROCK MIGHT BE JUST LOOKING AT A BLOCK WALL ON THE BACKSIDE OF A GROCERY STORE OR A CONVENIENCE STORE, OR THAT THERE COULD BE A BAR WITH A ROOFTOP LOUNGE THAT COULD BE OPEN TILL 10 WITH AMPLIFIED MUSIC. I MEAN, THERE ARE A WHOLE LOT WORSE, UM, AGAINST THAT LESSER OF EVILS THING. AND, YOU KNOW, SORRY, BEES, NOT, NOT TRYING TO CAST ASPERSIONS ON YOUR PROPERTY, BUT, UM, THERE ARE A WHOLE LOT LESS DESIRABLE USES FOR THAT LAND THAT NONE OF US WOULD LIKE. SO, UM, ANOTHER SIMPLE BENEFIT, THE SAFETY ENHANCEMENT OF HAVING STOPLIGHT ACCESS AT SOLDIER PASS FROM, UH, AT 89 A, UM, AGAIN, I I JUST FIND THAT THERE IS A PREPONDERANCE OF OF EVIDENCE HERE IN LEGAL PARLANCE THAT THAT TELLS ME THAT I THINK THIS DOES PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY BENEFITS, UH, AND IS WORTHY OF SUPPORT, AND I INTEND TO PROVIDE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BRIAN. MELISSA, SO MUCH OF WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID, BUT OF COURSE NOT THE WAY I WOULD SAY IT. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LISTEN TO SOME REPEATS. UM, I TOO ATTENDED TWO OF THE FOUR, UM, INCLUDING THE LAST ONE THAT WAS HELD OVER AT THE ELK LODGE, THE MEETINGS WITH THE RESIDENTS. UM, I'VE READ ALL THE EMAILS, I'VE LISTENED TO PEOPLE, I'VE HEARD PEOPLE IN, YOU KNOW, OFFICE HOURS, AND I'VE HAD TO STRUGGLE WITH HOW DOES THIS ALL BALANCE OUT, RIGHT? UH, AND SO HERE'S WHAT I CAME UP WITH. WHAT I CAME UP WITH IS, IS THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL CORE ISSUES THAT ARE AT PLAY. ONE THAT I HEAR A LOT OF IS HOTELS VERSUS HOUSING. UM, AND THAT'S CLOSELY FOLLOWED BY TRAFFIC AND RESIDENTS CONCERNS, AND OF COURSE, COMMUNITY BENEFIT. SO I'M GONNA JUST SAY, LET'S START WITH HOUSING VERSUS HOTELS. I HEAR THE PHRASE, WE DON'T NEED MORE HOTELS. WELL, HONESTLY, WE DO HAVE A FEW HOTELS IN SEDONA. IN FACT, WITH THE HELP OF MANY PEOPLE ON STAFF, UM, I CAN SAY THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 2,800 ROOMS WHEN YOU COUNT TRADITIONAL HOTELS. TIMESHARES AND BNBS ADD TO THAT AT LEAST ANOTHER 50 UNITS COMING IN THE UPTOWN AREA AND POTENTIALLY ANOTHER 70 UNITS ELSEWHERE. SO IN PLACE AND ALREADY SCHEDULED THERE BETWEEN 202,850 AND 2,920 HOTEL ROOMS FACTOR IN THE 1124 PERMITTED STR AND POTENTIALLY 32 NOT SO PERMITTED STR. UM, WHICH MAY STILL BE AN UNDER-REPORTING AND WITHOUT ANY IDEA AS TO THE NUMBER OF ROOMS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN USE IN THOSE ST THERE ARE QUITE A FEW ROOM RENTALS AVAILABLE. BUT THESE NUMBERS DON'T REALLY ADDRESS THE QUESTION OF, DO WE NEED MORE HOTEL ROOMS? WE'VE HEARD FROM OTHER COUNSELORS ABOUT THE PRESSURE ON SDRS AND ASSUMING THE BANEY HAVE DONE THEIR BUSINESS MODELING WELL AND HAVE GIVEN HOW LONG THEY'VE HELD THIS LAND AND JUST NOW WANNA BUILD A HOTEL THERE, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE MUST BE SOME BUSINESS MODELING SUPPORT TO INDICATE THEY CAN MAKE A PROFIT BY ADDING ANOTHER A HUNDRED ROOMS DIRECTLY ON ONE OF THE MAJOR ROADS IN TOWN. I'M NOT HERE TO DETERMINE IF THEIR BUSINESS MODEL IS A GOOD ONE. I AM HERE TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS THE BEST USE OF THE LAND AND WHETHER THE PROVISION OF 46 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS IS A SUFFICIENT COMMUNITY BENEFIT TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO LODGING. WHETHER WE NEED MORE ROOMS OR NOT IS THEREFORE NOT MY PRIMARY CONCERN IN MAKING THIS DECISION. IF, HOWEVER THE PHRASE, DO WE REALLY NEED MORE HOTEL ROOMS AS A PLACEHOLDER FOR, YOU DON'T WANT ANY MORE TOURISTS TO BE ABLE TO STAY HERE, THEN THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT QUESTION. WITH NO OFFENSE INTENDED TO THE BANEY, I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT BUILDING AN OXFORD SUITES IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR ATTRACT FOR TOURISM. OTHER HOTELS ALREADY IN PLACE AND BEING BUILT MAY BE AN ATTRACTION, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS TYPE OF HOTEL WILL BE THE REASON WHY PEOPLE DECIDE TO VISIT AND STAY IN SEDONA. MIGHT IT COMPETE WITH SOME OF THE [04:10:01] STRS AND HELP CONVERT THEM BACK INTO LONG-TERM RENTAL OR ON MARKET HOUSING? MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. BUT THE BANEY DID LISTEN WHEN RESIDENT SEAN SMITH SUGGESTED COMPETING WITH SDRS WAS IMPORTANT. AND WE NOW SEE 10 ROOMS CONVERTED INTO SELF-SERVICE SUITES WITH HOTEL AMENITIES. WE CAN ONLY KNOW IF THIS IS USEFUL AND EFFECTIVE COMPETITION AFTER THE HOTEL IS BUILT, AND WE CAN ASK THEM HOW OFTEN THESE ROOMS WERE THE FIRST CHOICE OF ROOM RENTALS. SECOND, I HAVE HEARD AND READ THE ARGUMENT THAT THIS PROPERTY WAS NEVER ZONED FOR LODGING, EVEN WHEN THE BANEY PURCHASED IT. AND NOW THAT THEY WANT TO FORCE A ZONING CHANGE WHEN LODGING HAS BEEN BANNED THROUGH THE CFA CHANGE MADE IN 2022. MY UNDERSTANDING, AND AGAIN, STAFF AND KURT TO CORRECT ME IF I'VE MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT THE LANGUAGE READS IN THE CFA AS NO ADDITIONAL LODGING IS RECOMMENDED IN THE CFA, WHICH DOES NOT BAN LODGING AS A USE. IN FACT, THE LANGUAGE DOES SAY THE STRATEGY IS TO QUOTE, CREATE A DYNAMIC AREA THAT IS NOT DOMINATED BY A SINGLE USE, BUT IS A BALANCED MIX OF LAND USES THAT INCLUDES HOUSING, LODGING, AND COMMERCIAL WITH ALMOST ONE THIRD OF THE ROOMS PROPOSED BEING GENERAL WORKFORCE HOUSING, THE PROPOSED SHARED USE PASS IN THE STATED USE OF ENCOURAGED SHUTTLES AND ACCESS TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT AN ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE THAT THEY'RE AT LEAST IMPARTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THAT CURRENT CFA DEFINITION. THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT ANYTHING ELSE DEVELOPED. THERE WILL BE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, I'LL GET THERE IN A SECOND. TRAFFIC IS ANOTHER CONCERN THAT'S MENTIONED. AND THIS VENTURE WILL CREATE GOING INTO AND OUT OF THE SPACE INTO 89 A AND POTENTIALLY ONTO AIRPORT ROAD. YES, THERE WILL BE MORE TRAFFIC OF SOME SORT, WHETHER SHUTTLES OR TOUR BUSES OR CARS, BUT UNLESS YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT NOTHING WILL EVER BE BUILT HERE, THEN THERE WILL BE SOME INCREASE IN TRAFFIC NO MATTER WHAT GETS BUILT. BASED ON THE DISCUSSION FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS ON THE POSSIBLE BUYRIGHT PROJECTS FOR THIS PROPERTY, I WOULD ASSUME THAT IF THIS WERE TO TURN INTO A ONE OR A TWO STORY SHOPPING CENTER, THEN TRAFFIC WOULD BE GREATER THAN A HOTEL AND RESIDENTIAL SPACE. IF THIS WERE TO BECOME A 70 UNIT TOWN HOME COMPLEX, THAT COULD BE TURNED INTO STR. THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WOULD ALSO AT LEAST BE THE SAME, GIVEN NECESSARILY AFFORDABLE. I'M SORRY, WOULD WOULD NECESSARILY BE THE SAME IF THIS WERE TO BECOME AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY AFFORDABLE OR WORKFORCE ORIENTED, WHICH COULD INCLUDE 150 UNITS. THERE WOULD BE EVEN MORE TRAFFIC BECAUSE THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY ENCOURAGEMENT TO LEAVE VEHICLES IN PLACE, OR PERHAPS A RESTAURANT IN A BAR THAT'S OPEN FROM 7:00 AM TO 11:00 PM WHICH ARE OUR ORDINANCE HOURS. MY FAVORITE, OF COURSE, IS THE 24 BY SEVEN MINI MART ACROSS FROM THE WHOLE FOODS, AND THE LIST COULD GO ON, BUT I WILL NOT. SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE TOPIC OF HOUSING. THE STATEMENTS I HAVE HEARD IN READ USE LANGUAGE LIKE, WE NEED MORE HOUSING, NOT HOTELS. THEY ARE NOT PROVIDING ENOUGH HOUSING FOR ALL THEIR WORKERS AND WHO CAN AFFORD THE HOUSING ON 24, $20 PER HOUR. I COMPLETELY AGREE. WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK IN SEDONA, WHETHER THEY ARE ESSENTIAL WORKERS AT THE STORES, RESTAURANTS AND HOTELS, OR THEY ARE CRITICAL WORKERS LIKE OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, HEALTHCARE WORKERS AND TEACHERS. I ALSO AGREE THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY THIS FACILITY WOULD HAVE MORE WORKERS THAN HOUSING, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT NEW AND EXISTING COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES, INCLUDING THE NEW PROPOSED HOTELS THAT HAVE PROVIDED ANY HOUSING, LET ALONE SUFFICIENT HOUSING, I FIND THE ANSWER TO BE VIRTUALLY NONE. 46 UNITS IS THEREFORE MORE THAN ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTY HAS OR HAS OFFERED. AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT CURRENTLY REQUIRES ANY WORKFORCE HOUSING, LET ALONE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, NOR IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING MEANS THE ESTABLISHMENTS WORKFORCE. THIS IS SIMPLY DEFINED AS HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING IN SEDONA. AS TO AFFORDABILITY, WELL, I HAVE LEARNED THAT THIS IS AN EXTREMELY COMPLEX AREA AND DEPENDS UPON THE HOUSEHOLD SIZE AND THE PERCENTAGE OF THE GROSS COMBINED ANNUAL INCOME COMPARED TO THE CURRENT AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME OR A MI OF THE COUNTY IN THIS CASE, YAVAPI. SO I'M GONNA BORE YOU FOR A MINUTE WITH SOME NUMBERS. AS AN EXAMPLE, YAVAPI A MI IS 85,300 PER ANNUM. THIS IS COMBINED HOUSEHOLD INCOME FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR. THIS WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE A MI MAKING 80% IN ANNUAL INCOME OF 68,240 AND 120% A MI OF 102,360. I'M NOT SURE A FAMILY OF FOUR WILL WANT TO LIVE IN A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT FOR LONG, BUT THERE ARE HEALTHCARE AND CITY WORKERS WHO WITH A TWO PERSON INCOME COULD BE WELL WITHIN THE 120% A MI. HOWEVER, IF IT'S A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL, A HUNDRED PERCENT DROPS TO 59780%. 47, 760. AGAIN, WELL WITHIN THE RANGE OF A CRITICAL WORKER. FOR A JOINT INCOME OF TWO PEOPLE, THE AMOUNT REQUIRED WOULD [04:15:01] BE FIFTY FOUR FIVE SIXTY SIXTY EIGHT, TWO HUNDRED AND EIGHTY ONE EIGHT FORTY RESPECTIVELY, EVEN AT MINIMUM WAGE ON A DUAL INCOME, THERE ARE UNITS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AS TO THE COST OF THE TAXPAYER. AS AN EXAMPLE, THE V, THE VILLAS AT SHELBY, WHICH IS ONLY HAPPENING BECAUSE THE CITY BOUGHT THE LAND AND THE BUILDERS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACQUIRE LOANS FROM STATE AND FEDERAL SOURCES BECAUSE IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ALONG WITH AN ADDITIONAL 2.25 MILLION IN FUNDING FROM THE CITY, WILL PROVIDE ONLY 30 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHILE THE SADDLE ROCK PROPOSAL WILL PROVIDE 46 UNITS, THE SUNSHOT PROJECT HAS YET TO BE REALIZED. MANY OF THESE REASONS REVOLVE AROUND THE COST OF BUILDING HOUSING IN THE LOST LEADER OF THOSE UNITS BEING AFFORDABLE. THE 46 UNITS IN QUESTION HAVE NO COST TO THE TAXPAYER. I WOULD EXPECT THESE UNITS TO BE WELL-BUILT AND WELL-MAINTAINED BECAUSE THEY SIT ON THE HOTEL PROPERTY. I WOULD EXPECT THE RULES TO BE ENFORCED REGARDING PETS NOISE AND PARKING, BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE GUESTS AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORS. THE HOTEL IS THE UNDERLYING REASON FOR THE AFFORDABILITY OF THE UNITS, AS THE COSTS ARE BEING SUBSIDIZED BY THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. ONE LAST AREA I CONSIDERED WAS AROUND THE WRITTEN AND SPOKEN COMMENTS THAT THE BANEY HAVE NOT BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE NEEDS OF THE EXISTING COMMUNITY OF SADDLE ROCK. I REALIZED SOME RESIDENTS DO NOT BELIEVE THE BAYNEY ATTEMPTS TO MEET AND ALLEVIATE CONCERNS WAS ENOUGH. BUT I WENT TO THE SECOND AND LAST RESIDENCE MEETINGS, AND I AM NOT SURE I HAVE EVER HEARD A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE TRY AS HARD TO BALANCE WHAT THEY NEED TO BE PROFITABLE AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY AROUND THEM WANTS TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBOR. SO I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND MYSELF AND THE REST OF US THAT ANYTHING BEING BUILT HERE BY RIGHT, WHICH CAN BE ANY OF THE ITEMS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY OR WORSE, WILL NOT HAVE ANY REQUIREMENT TO WORK WITH THE SADDLE ROCK NEIGHBORS REGARDING TRAFFIC, PARKING, AND NOISE, LANDSCAPING, ANY OF THOSE THINGS. THEY WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO COME UP WITH A COMMUNITY BENEFIT LIKE 46 AFFORDABLE UNITS, WHICH IS MORE THAN WE HAVE TODAY. MM-HMM, SECOND. MY IMPRESSION WAS THAT THEY WERE LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN ATTENDANCE. WERE THEY WILLING TO GIVE INTO EVERY REQUEST? NO, BUT I BELIEVE THEY TRIED TO MEET ALL THE MOST IMPORTANT CONCERNS AROUND PARKING, TRAFFIC, PETS, NOISE VIEW, IMPINGEMENT, ET CETERA, ALL TOLD, WEIGHING THE PROS AND CONS OF THIS. I AM IN FAVOR BECAUSE I KNOW STAFF WILL NOT ALLOW THE DEFICIENCIES AND MATERIALS REQUIRED TO STAND. IF THE BUILDER WANTS PERMITS, I KNOW THE STAFF WILL HOLD THE BUILDER TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, TO WHICH I AGREE THE OTHER DOCUMENTS SUCH AS GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY SHOULD BE ADDED AND HAVE BEEN ADDED WHEN I WEIGH THE POTENTIAL BUYRIGHT PROJECTS THAT COULD GO INTO THIS SPACE, SHOULD THE BANEY CHOOSE TO SELL, I SEE THIS OPTION AS A BEST USE CASE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE 46 WELL-BUILT AND MAINTAINED WORKFORCE UNITS AT NO COST TO THE TAXPAYERS AS A SUFFICIENT COMMUNITY BENEFIT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MELISSA. VICE MAYOR. I'M TIRED. , I'M TIRED FROM LISTENING TO ALL MY COLLEAGUES . SO IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE'S THE VOTES TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT. SO IT FREES ME TO SAY WHAT I WANNA SAY, WHICH IS THAT I SAID WE'RE BEING SEDUCED BY 46 UNITS AND IT'S, I'M BEING SEDUCED BY 46 UNITS. UH, BUT IN MY MIND, IN 2022, THIS COUNCIL, THIS COUNCIL RIGHT HERE, TOOK OUT LODGING FROM THIS AREA BECAUSE WE WANTED TO SEE THIS AREA LOOKED DIFFERENTLY. AND THE BANIES HADN'T BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE CITY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. SO WE THOUGHT THAT PROJECT WAS DEAD, ACTUALLY. SO IT WASN'T DONE SPECIFICALLY TO PREVENT THIS PROJECT FROM HAPPENING. WE THOUGHT THERE WAS NO PROJECT. SO WE WERE FREE TO LOOK AT THIS AREA AND DECIDE WHAT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY. AND WE DECIDED IT WAS NOT LODGING. AND NOW THAT PROPOSAL'S BEEN RESURRECTED. AND I APPRECIATE IT AS A BEAUTIFUL PRO. IT IS BEAUTIFUL AND UH, AND I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH THAT WE FORCED YOU TO DO, RIGHT? IT WENT BEYOND, BUT WE FORCED YOU TO DO IT. UH, I ATTENDED SEVERAL OF THEM MYSELF AND, AND YOU DID A GOOD JOB LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY. BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT I THINK THIS LAND SHOULD BE USED FOR. AND I DON'T LIKE THE, AND I MYSELF PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS ARGUMENT. I DON'T LIKE THE WHAT COULD BE BUILT THERE. [04:20:01] OH MY GOD, IT MIGHT BE A STRIP WALL. SO WE SHOULD DO THIS IF WE DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR THIS AREA AND FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE, THAT WE CHOOSE IT BECAUSE IT COULD BE A WORSE SITUATION. I THINK IT SHOULD BE WHAT IS RIGHT. HOWEVER, THE COUNCIL IS GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAN I AM, SO I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE PROJECT, BUT IT'S, MY VOTE IS GONNA BE IN THE MINORITY, BUT I'M GONNA BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I THINK OUR VALUES WERE TWO YEARS AGO. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. SO OUR VALUES ARE IMPORTANT, AS THE VICE MAYOR SAID, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID HERE, BUT I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. AND THE VICE MAY HAVE SAID IT NICELY. WE HAD TO PUSH YOU TO DO THE OUTREACH THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE THE FIRST TIME WHERE IT WAS VERY OBVIOUS TO ME. IT WASN'T FOR WHATEVER REASON. I'M NOT GONNA POINT FINGERS AT WHO DID WHAT AND HOW IT WAS DONE, BUT IT WASN'T DONE. THIS SECOND WAVE OF OUTREACH WAS DONE TEXTBOOK. IT WAS, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. THE VICE MAYOR IS ALSO CORRECT THAT THERE WAS VERY LITTLE COMMUNICATION ON THE PROJECT FOR YEARS BEFORE THE FINAL, UH, DRAFT WENT TO THE, UH, P AND Z. BUT THERE WAS NO, THERE WAS VERY LITTLE COMMUNICATION WITH OUR STAFF. WHEN I WOULD ASK ABOUT THE PROJECT, AS THE VICE MAYOR SAID, WELL, WE THOUGHT THE PROJECT WAS DEAD, I WOULD ASK QUESTIONS, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT PROPERTY? THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNICATION ISSUES, TO SAY THE LEAST. SO ONE WOULD THINK THAT WE, THIS COUNCIL GAVE YOU AN ADDITIONAL SIX MONTHS TO DOT EVERY I CROSS EVERY T. AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. EVERY OTHER PROJECT THAT WE SEE HERE IN THE CITY, IT HAPPENS, BUT YET THI THIS PROJECT, IT DID NOT HAPPEN. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT TO ME, IT SETS A PRECEDENT THAT I, I, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT SETTING PRECEDENTS. IF WE, OR IF I MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT THE P THE PROCESS WASN'T FOLLOWED, THEN I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BECAUSE WITH MAYBE SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT WE DON'T WANNA SET, WE SHOULDN'T SET, WE HAVE STAFF HERE THAT'S, MOST CASES WILL BEND OVER BACKWARDS FOR SOMETHING THIS, OF THIS MAGNITUDE TO WORK THROUGH IT WITH YOU. BUT YET YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO COME TO THE FINISH LINE COMPLETELY. NOT WELL, THERE'S A QUESTION. OH, THE DESIGNER, THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL ISSUES, BUT EVERY OTHER PROJECT MANAGES TO CROSS THE FINISH LINE. AND THAT MEANS A LOT TO ME. I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. AS THE VICE MAYOR SAID, YOU HAVE THE VOTES. SO, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO ME OR NOT. I HAVE TO SET BY, BY MY GOALS AND MY PRINCIPLES WHERE I'M NOT GOING TO SET A PRECEDENT IN A DIRECTION I DON'T SUPPORT. SO, UH, I WILL NOT BE VOTING TO SUPPORT THIS. AND THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN WITH ME. NORMALLY, I, I DO SUPPORT PROJECTS, BUT THIS ONE IS TO ME, LACKING ON THE KEY ISSUES OF FILING THE PROPER PAPERWORK AND CROSSING THAT FINISH LINE. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH SIX SIX REGARDING CASE NUMBER PZ 19 0 0 0 0. I'M SORRY, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, WE, I WAS JUST GOING, WE, WE DID DISCUSS A FEW, UM, CHANGES TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. YES, THAT'S TRUE. WE DID. UM, WE HAVE THOSE. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. SORRY. MARY'S GONNA PULL 'EM UP. I HAVE IT. THE ONLY, THE ONLY WORDS THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO THE MOTION WOULD BE, UM, UM, SO SUBJECT TO THE AS AMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS AMENDED, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ONE OTHER THING IN THAT, ARE WE GOING TO THE NEXT MOTION IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? SO, YES. SO, BUT IN A LOT OF THE CHANGES OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ARE BEING PUT IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. THAT'S HOW THE APPLICANT PROPOSED THEM, AND THAT'S HOW WE'VE DRAFTED [04:25:01] THEM AS PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF CODE. OKAY. BUT REMEMBER NUMBER 10, TALK ABOUT THESE THEN. YEAH. SO, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THEY DID PROPOSE NUMBER EIGHT AND NINE. I'VE WENT AHEAD AND PUT THOSE IN THERE. STAFF DOESN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THOSE. UH, WE'RE NOT CALLING 'EM EIGHT AND NINE. WE JUST ADDED THEM IN CONDITION NUMBER FOUR. CARRIE, IF YOU COULD SCROLL DOWN. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET. THE RED ITALICS ARE THE CHANGES FROM WHEN PNZ, UM, REVIEWED THE PROJECT. AND THEN THE BLUE TEXT HERE IS WHAT, UM, WOULD BE BASED ON THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT. SO, AND THE, AND THE FIRST PART THERE, THE BLUE TEXT. LET'S SEE, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY SHOULD BE DIFFERENT NUMBERS. CARRIE, DESI. IT'S THERE. YEAH, THE NUMBER. WHAT ELSE IS IN HERE? ZOOM TO ZOOM OUT. THERE'S SOMETHING WE SAID EVERYBODY'S LEAVING . IT'S JUST THE DO YOU WANNA KEEP THIS E IN? BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE ADDRESSING IT. YEAH, I THINK I'LL JUST PUSH 'EM OVER ONE MORE. THE, IT WON'T LINE UP PERFECTLY, BUT I'LL FIX IT. FOLLOWING. OH, YOU WERE MAKING IT A SEPARATE, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST GONNA BE PART OF OH, THE SAME THING. OKAY. SO MR. TATE, YOU CAN, THOSE ARE THE, WHAT YOU PROPOSE AS THE EIGHT AND NINE? YEP. THOSE ARE PUT IN THERE. I CAN UNDER FOUR. OH, THIS ONE? YEAH, IT'S THE SAME DOCUMENT. UM, WE HAVE IN THERE THAT EVERYTHING PRE REPRESENTED TONIGHT WILL BE IN, IN FIVE. EVERYTHING REPRESENTED TONIGHT WILL BE, UH, ADHERED TO, WILL BE BINDING ON THE APPLICANT, INCLUDING NO SOUTH FACING BALCONIES. IT'S THIS ONE. IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ONES WE CAN PUT IN THERE. UM, AND THEN COUNSEL, IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF MR. TATE ADDRESSED IT, BUT THERE WAS THAT PROPOSED SECTION CHANGED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS 6.8 AND NUMBER 10. I DUNNO IF COUNSEL WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT. STAFF'S NOT RECOMMENDING THAT. UM, I WOULD SAY TO THE APPLICANT THAT IF THEY CAME FORWARD WITH A PLAN SHOWING HOW IT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE SUBDIVIDED AND IT MET THE LDC, THEN I DON'T KNOW THAT STAFF WOULD, UM, NECESSARILY BE AGAINST COMING BACK AND ASKING COUNSEL TO, TO AMEND IT OUT AT THAT TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNSEL THINKS OF THAT IDEA, BUT AT THE CURRENT POINT, WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT WITHOUT KNOWING DETAILS ABOUT HOW THEY'RE PROPOSING. I'M NOT FOLLOWING YOU. THE SUBDIVISION. THE SUBDIVISION. THIS THIS PAGE HERE. YEAH, I KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, WE, SO I WANT, OH, I'M SORRY. SO WHAT'S, WHAT KURT IS SAYING IS THAT IF THEY CHOSE TO PURSUE THAT THEY WOULD NEED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AMENDMENT ALONG WITH THE SUBDIVISION APPLICATION AND THAT LANGUAGE SAYING THAT, THAT YOU'RE NOW PROPOSING BEING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, SO THAT IT WOULD, WOULD PROHIBIT THIS FROM BEING A PART OF THE CURRENT ONE? NO, THE THE, WE WOULD, WE DON'T PROPOSE INCLUDING SECTION THAT CHANGE. THEY PROPOSE IN WHAT THEY NUMBER 10 RIGHT NOW. OKAY. OKAY. UM, WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE IS THAT IF THEY, IF THEY NEEDED THAT FOR THE PROJECT TO COME FORWARD, TO ACTUALLY PREPARE THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE SUBDIVISION PLAN, BRING THAT FORWARD, AND THEN THEY CAN REQUEST IT OF COUNSEL AT THAT TIME AND IN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. BUT IT, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE A PART OF IT RIGHT NOW. IT WON'T BE REFERENCED AT ALL. NO. OKAY. SO THAT'S OUR PROPOSAL. MS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ADDRESSED IT EARLIER, BEN, OR YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS IT. NOW I'M, I'M GETTING THE SENSE FROM THE REACTION OF THE COUNCIL THAT THEY'RE NOT AMENABLE TO OUR REQUESTED LANGUAGE ANYWAYS. SO I THINK THAT'S A FAIR PLAN THAT IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT WE CAN MAKE A MULTI PARCEL PLAN WORK WITH THE LDC, THEN WE CAN BRING IT BACK WITH A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT, THE, YEAH, THE SUBDIVISION PLAN WOULD'VE TO COME TO COUNCIL ANYWAY. AND SO THEY WOULD JUST COME WITH THE, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AMENDMENT REQUEST. OKAY. OKAY. SO WHO HAS THE, THE VERBIAGE? IT'S, IT'S THE MOTION AND THERE JUST WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS AMENDED. AS AMENDED. OKAY. GO AHEAD. OKAY, I MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH SIX. CORRECT. REGARDING CASE NUMBER PZ 19 DASH 0 0 0 0 5 ZC VILLAGE AT SADDLE ROCK CROSSING REZONING, THE PROPERTY IDENTIFIED HEREIN FROM ITS PRESENT DESIGNATION OF CO COMMERCIAL AND RM TWO, MEDIUM HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY TO L LODGING BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, CONSISTENCY WITH THE SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN, SOLDIERS PASS CFA PLAN, TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, GO SEDONA PATHWAYS PLAN CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROVAL AS SPECIFIED IN [04:30:01] LDC SECTIONS 8.3 AND 8.6, AND SATISFACTION OF THE ZONE CHANGE FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE AND SUBJECT TO THE AMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. NAY. OKAY. FOUR, THREE. YOU HAVE IT? OKAY. YES. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. MAYOR. THERE'S ONE MORE MOTION. THERE'S ANOTHER MOTION. MOTION. OH YEAH, I'M SORRY. THE ZONE CHANGE. GO AHEAD. NO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THERE'S ANOTHER MOTION. I DON'T HAVE THAT ON. OH, I SEE. OKAY. OKAY. JESSICA, YOU WANNA DO THAT? YEAH, ONLY I'M OKAY. I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 DASH 26 26 AUTHORIZING THE CITY OF SEDONA TO ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH BANEY CORPORATION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A LODGING AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE PROJECT AT 1259 AND 1335 WEST STATE ROUTE 89, A 82 AND 86 SADDLE ROCK CIRCLE, AND 1 0 5 ELK ROAD. SECOND, SECOND ABOUT MELISSA. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? OH, BEFORE WE GO, ANY DISCUSSION? NO. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? A OKAY. FOUR, THREE. SAME. SAME PEOPLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD LUCK. ARE WE TAKING A BREAK OR NO BREAK OR NO, FIVE MINUTES. BATHROOM BREAK? YEP. OKAY. JOE, WHERE ARE YOU? OH, I, I GOTTA PUT A BELL ON YOU. FIVE MINUTE BREAK. 15 MINUTES. [8.b. AB 3087 Discussion/possible action regarding the award of a Construction Contract for the Dry Creek Road Shared-Use Pathway Improvements Project, Two Fences Trailhead to Gringo Road, to the contractor Mulcaire & Son Contracting, LLC, in an amount not-to-exceed $376,019.90.] ITEM B AB 30 87. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING, UH, THE AWARD OF CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR THE DRY CREEK ROAD SHARED USE PATHWAY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, TWO FENCES, TRAILHEAD TO GRINGO ROAD TO THE CONTRACTOR, URA AND SUN CONTRACTING LLC IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $376,019 AND 90 CENTS. HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH THESE PENNIES? THE OTHER ONE WAS 2 CENTS. I MEAN, REALLY. OKAY. UM, OKAY. I I, I CAN'T IMAGINE WHO'S GONNA BE DISCUSSING THIS GUY. KURT, YOU GOT IT. YOU GOT IT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, THANK YOU FOR HANGING IN WITH THIS. I'LL MAKE THIS AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE IF THERE'S ANY BIG QUESTIONS. UM, THIS IS JUST AN ADD-ON, ON OUR SHARED USE PASS ON DRY CREEK ROAD, UM, WHERE WE ACTUALLY ARE FILLING IN, UH, TO HAVE THAT WHOLE CONNECTION AS PART OF, UH, REQUEST FROM COUNCIL CITIZENS AND SO ON. UM, SANDY'S CAN'T, COULDN'T BE HERE TO, UH, DELIVER THIS. SHE'S IN A, A CONFERENCE. SO I HAVE, UH, JONATHAN HOFFMAN HERE, OUR PROJECT MANAGER. SO IF HE HAS MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS I CAN'T ANSWER, BUT, UM, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE SLIDES QUICKLY. UM, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE IT SHOWS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS ALL THE DIFFERENT ISSUES WE HAD, UH, SPEED TABLES THAT WE'VE ADDED ON THE OTHER PART OF THE PHASES. THIS IS REALLY LIKE PHASE THREE. AND WE'RE GONNA EXTEND THIS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO STATE ROUTE 89 A. I LIKE MAPS. SO WE CAN, UH, ZOOM IN WHERE THE, WHERE WE'RE SHOWING WHERE OUR POINT IS AND ALL THE OTHER SHARED USE PATHS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONNECT TO. UM, THIS IS KIND OF MORE OF A DETAILED THAN WHAT'S OUT THERE IN EXISTING. IF YOU KIND OF REMIND YOU ALL THESE SHARED USE PATHS STARTED WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OF THE NORTH OF THIS PROJECT, WHO DECIDED TO PUT IN THAT DG GRAVEL ONE. SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO JUST CONNECT THE DOTS IN ALL THESE PROJECTS. UH, THE REAL BIG ISSUES WE, UH, RAN INTO IS, UH, UM, WE HAD TO GO WITH OUR SECOND BID AS THE FIRST BID THAT WE WENT TO THE LOWEST BID DIDN'T MEET ALL OUR CRITERIA, SO WE HAD TO GO TO THE NEXT HIRE BIDDER. WE DID OUR BACKGROUND AND RESEARCHED 'EM, UM, OLD CARE, I BELIEVE THEY ARE. UM, AND WE FOUND THAT THEY'VE BEEN SATISFACTORY AND THEY'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO TEST SECTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MEET OUR STANDARD AND OUR, OUR EXPECTATIONS. SO WE THINK WE'RE PRETTY GOOD POSITION. UM, AND FENDING WAS THE LAST THING THAT WE WANTED TO ADD IN THERE. IF YOU GUYS DIDN'T KNOW, THIS IS, UH, PEOPLE FOR BIKES AND SEDONA IS NOW BEEN THE TOP RATED IN ARIZONA, FLAGSTAFF NUMBER TWO. SO ALL THE HARD WORK WE'RE ALL DOING TOGETHER IS REALLY PAYING OFF RIGHT NOW. SO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, COUNSEL? UH, THE COMPACTED DECOMPOSED [04:35:01] GRANITE, IS THAT THE SAME THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE PART THAT YOU'RE CONNECTING TO, OR IS THAT MORE OF FIRMER, SUCH AS WHAT'S USED EITHER AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE ONE FROM THE, UH, SHUTTLE STOP IN POSSE GROUNDS? OR IS IT MORE LIKE THUNDER MOUNTAIN? WHAT I JUST, I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR ON WHAT THE SURFACE IS. HOW HARD THE SURFACE IS. YEAH. THAT, THAT'S A DECOMPOSED GRANITE THAT HAS A BINDER. LIKE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A ELMER'S GLUE, SO IT DOES HAVE A LIFE TO IT. SO WHEN YOU SAY HOW HARD IT IS, IT WILL OVER TIME, UM, GET WEAKENED JUST LIKE PAVEMENT OR ANY OTHER BIDEN. SO IT MIGHT BE HAVE TO BE REAPPLIED, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING A TEST TO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE GONNA GET THE BEST OUT OF THIS CONTRACT TO MAKING SURE IT'S DENSE AS POSSIBLE. AND THERE'S ALL KINDS OF REASONS WE WANT TO DO THAT. AND THAT'S LIKE TO PREVENT WEEDS FROM GROWING UP TO HAVE A LEVEL SURFACE, UM, TO TRY TO BE, IT'S NOT A DA COMPATIBLE, BUT WE WANT IT AS, AS, AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE FOR ALL USERS. IT'S NOT A DA COMPATIBLE WELL, IT, IT IS IN, IN IT EXTENT THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING IMP PARALLELING THE ROAD. IT'S, SO IT'S NOT LIKE CONCRETE OR ASPHALT. IT'S IN A, IT'S A, A DG. SO IT ALLOWS, THE BENEFITS ARE ALLOWING STORM WATER, UM, AND A, A LOT OF IT TO DRAIN. SO WE'RE GETTING BENEFITS AND EXTRACTIONS. SO OVERALL, THIS IS THE BEST BENEFIT FOR THIS APPLICATION AT THE, AT THESE LOCATIONS. SO YOUR QUESTION, IS IT GONNA BE AS HARD OR DENSE AS OTHERS? YES, IT WILL LIKE SOLDIER PASS. ANDY, I'M SORRY. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY. SO WHEN WE USE THE STABILIZED DG AND IT'S HARDENED AND IT'S ROLLED, THAT IS A COMPLIANT. SO THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO, AND THIS IS WHAT'S USED ON, UH, ADJACENT TO SOLDIERS' PASS YES. ROADWAY WHERE THE, THE NEW PATHWAY THAT WAS BUILT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. IT'LL BE THE SAME. THANK YOU. SAME AS RANGER STATION PARK. PARDON? OKAY. OKAY, PETE, SO NOW ON THE NORTH CONNECTION, IT'LL, IT, THIS SECTION WILL NOW CONNECT TO THE NORTHERN PART THAT GOES UP TO THE PARKING LOT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW, BUT YES, THAT'LL CONNECT TO THAT. THIS IS THAT LOWER SECTION FROM, UM, TWO FENCES TO GREENO AND IT'S MORE THE STRAIGHT SECTION. YEP. AND THEN WHAT'S THE OBSTACLE FROM GRINGO DOWN TO THUNDER MOUNTAIN? UH, SO , THE, THE PORTION SOUTH OF GRINGO GETS MORE COMPLICATED WITH, UM, RIGHT. DRAINAGE, RIGHT AWAY CONSTRAINT, THINGS LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD SAY DRAINAGE AND RIGHT AWAY ARE THE MAIN CONSTRAINTS. OKAY. IS THAT PRO PROGRAMMED OUT HOW FAR FOR US TO HOPEFULLY MAKE THE CONNECTION DOWN TO THE DRY CREEK WALKWAY? SO WE'RE, GO AHEAD JONATHAN. I DIDN'T, I'M SORRY. I JUST DIDN'T HEAR THAT PART. I WAS TALKING TO KURT. HOW, HOW FAR AWAY ARE WE FROM FINISHING THE CONNECTION DOWN TO THUNDER MOUNTAIN? I, YOU KNOW, I, I LOVE THIS. YOU, I LOVE OUR SHARED USE PATHS, BUT NEXT CONNECTIVITY IS IMPORTANT. WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET. GRINGO DOWN TO THUNDER MOUNTAIN. HOW FAR AWAY ARE WE? SO, SO WE HAVE THAT SEGMENT UNDER DESIGN OR NEARLY STARTING DESIGN, CORRECT? CORRECT. WE HAVE, WELL, TO, TO OVERSIMPLIFY THAT ANSWER, WE HAVE THIS PLANNED OUT IN THREE PHASES. THE CURRENT, THE FIRST PHASE NORTH OF THIS IN QUESTION IS ALREADY COMPLETED. RIGHT. SO THIS SECOND PHASE IS THE TWO FENCES TRAIL HEAD DOWN TO GRINGO ROAD, RIGHT? SO THERE'S A THIRD PHASE THAT WE'LL PICK UP AT GRINGO AND WE'LL END DOWN HERE AT THE LIBRARY. WHITE BEAR. YEAH. UH, WHITE BEAR. SO OBVIOUSLY IN BETWEEN THAT IS THUNDER MOUNTAIN TO YOUR POINT. AND WE ARE, WE JUST SIGNED A CONSULTANT CONTRACT TO PRELIMINARY DESIGN WITH THAT. SO THAT IS STILL A HANDFUL OF YEARS AWAY. NO. SO I THINK WE'RE PROGRAMMED TO ACTUALLY BUILD THAT THIS YEAR AS WELL. RIGHT. AND BY THE WAY, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE ANOTHER HIGHLIGHT OF SOMETHING. THE DESIGN CON CONTRACT. REMIND ME WHAT CONSULTANT THAT'S WITH HE ZO. OKAY. NOT KIMLEY HORN BY WAY. . THANK YOU. YOU, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD NEWS. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S ACTUALLY MOVING WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME THAT I MIGHT BE. RIGHT. AND THEN ONE OTHER PIECE. SO THE FINAL PIECE BETWEEN WHITE BEAR ROAD AND 89 A, THAT'S ACTUALLY A PORTION OF SIM 10 A IS WHAT WE'VE CALLED IT. THE REASON IS THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG, UH, SR 89 A THAT WILL BE INCLUDED WHAT THAT PROJECT. SO THAT CO THAT PROJECT WILL RUN ALONG JUST WEST OF, OF DRY CREEK, ALONG 89 A AND MAKE [04:40:01] IMPROVEMENT WITHIN THE INTERSECTION AND THEN UP TO WHITE BEAR. THAT'S THE FULL EXTENT OF 10 A. OKAY. SO THAT, THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS THAT FINISHES THAT SEGMENT DOWN TO THE HIGHWAY. RIGHT? AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY CO MORE COMPLICATION. 'CAUSE WE GOTTA DEAL WITH ADOT ENCROACHMENT PERMIT AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS. A AGAIN, CON CONNECTIVITY IS, IS IS PARAMOUNT FOR ME. AND IF THERE ARE OBSTACLES SOUTH OF THUNDER MOUNTAIN DOWN TO 89 A THAT ARE DIFFICULT AND PREVENT THE CONNECTION FROM GRINGO TO THUNDER MOUNTAIN, LET'S GET GRINGO TO THUNDER MOUNTAIN DONE THAT, THAT ESTABLISHES SOME CONNECTIVITY. THERE STILL IS A SIDEWALK DOWN TO 89 A THAT'S FUNCTIONAL, RIGHT? WE DON'T NEED TO REPLACE EVERYTHING. LET'S GET THE CONNECTIONS MADE FIRST AND THEN IMPROVE IT OVER TIME. SO THANK YOU. JESSICA, YOU MENTIONED, UM, EASEMENT ISSUES OR THE, THAT THAT, IS THIS GOING TO BE CREATED WITHIN THE EXISTING EASEMENTS OR IS CONDEMNATION GOING TO BE REQUIRED? NO CONDEMNATION. WE EXPECT TO WORK WITHIN OUR RIGHT OF WAY. THANK YOU. GOOD. BRIAN, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. YOU SHOWED THE SLIDE THAT HAD THE LIST OF ALL THE SUVS. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT REVIEWING THOSE TONIGHT, BUT IS THAT WOULD BE, WE'D TALK ABOUT THAT AT THE SIM NEXT SIM REVIEW JUST TO HAVE A CHANCE TO REVISIT PRIORITIZATION AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT WHERE WE'RE EXPENDING OUR RESOURCES NEXT. I I DEFINITELY THINK THAT WOULD NEED TO BE PART OF THE SIM UPDATE. UM, NORMALLY IT WOULD BE AS WELL, UM, WE, WE JUST NEED TO PLAN TO HAVE A PRETTY LONG MEETING. IT'LL BE LONG BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE PLAN TO DO A DEEP DIVE ON. SO CAN'T DO IT AN HOUR ? DEFINITELY NOT. I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S, THANK YOU. AND THAT'S A REMINDER. OCTOBER 22ND AND NOVEMBER 13TH WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING SIM UPDATES. SO WE'LL COVER THAT. SO WE'LL COVER THIS SUBJECT OF THE PRIORITIZATION OF THES DURING ONE OF THOSE TWO. CORRECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR MAR. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. YEP. I'VE GOT NOTHING EITHER. EVERYBODY ELSE ASKED AND IT'S ANSWERED, SO THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. DO YOU WANT A MOTION? A LITTLE LONGER THAN YOU PROMISED, BUT, OKAY. DO YOU WANT A MOTION, SCOTT? UH, YES. I MOVE TO APPROVE AWARD OF THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH MUL CARE AND SUN CONTRACTION, HUH? LLC FOR THE DRY CREEK ROAD SHARED USE PATHWAY IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT TWO FENCES, TRAILHEAD TO GRINGO ROAD IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $376,019 AND 19 90 CENTS, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE WRITTEN CONTRACT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY, MELISSA A SECOND. UH, ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, WERE UNANIMOUS. MAYOR, MAY I HAVE A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE PLEASE? OKAY. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT DURING THE BREAK I WAS INFORMED BY MY COLLEAGUES THAT OUR, UH, REMOVAL, OUR CHANGE IN THE CFA OCCURRED ON AUGUST 10TH, 2022. AND THREE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE NOT SEATED UNTIL NOVEMBER OF 2022. YOU'RE IN THE CLEAR. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, ITEM [8.d. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items.] D, AB 30 66, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS, ANYTHING FROM THE, OKAY. UH, THEN BEFORE WE CLOSE THE MEETING, I JUST WANNA REMIND YOU THAT TOMORROW IN THE VAULTY 1230 IF YOU WISH TO JOIN US FOR LUNCH. OTHERWISE, AND THE MEETING STARTS AT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE VAULTY, CORRECT? YEAH, THE VAULTY VAULTY IN THE VAULTY. THAT'S WHY I WANNA MAKE SURE, WELL, IT'S NOT A LUNCH FOR THE WHOLE PUBLIC, BUT FOR THE COUNCIL. OH, TRUE. FOR THE COUNCIL. I'M LOOKING AT THE COUNCIL. YES. LUNCH. LUNCH WILL BE AVAILABLE ABOUT A HALF HOUR BEFORE THE MEETING STARTS AND THE MEETING IS THERE AND IT'S IN THE, THE MEETING IS THERE. OKAY. OKAY. MEANS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.