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AND BEFORE WE BEGIN,[City Council on September 25, 2024.]
JUST LET, LET OUR VISITORS KNOW THERE'S A BATHROOM, UH, TO THE LEFT OF EITHER ONE OF THOSE DOORS.MAKE US UP AT HOME, AND OF COURSE, THE
SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH OUR ROLL CALL AND THEN WE CAN DO INTRODUCTIONS FOR THE FIRE BOARD.
I CAN'T SEEM TO MULTITASK HERE.
AND YOU, YOU'D INTRODUCE, INTRODUCE THEMSELVES TO INTRODUCE OUR BOARD MEMBERS.
LET ME BEGIN WITH OUR CLERK ON THE BOARD.
I'M CURRENTLY THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT GOVERNING BOARD CHAIR.
AND, UH, OUR, UH, REMAIN BOARD MEMBER OF SCOTTS SPRING IS TRAVELING.
AND OF COURSE THEN YOU ALL KNOW OUR CHIEF WHO ACTUALLY MET.
OUR VISITORS, I'LL TURN OUT TO CYNTHIA.
CYNTHIA ARE LOVELY TONGUE TIED TODAY.
AND WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE PRESENTATION.
CYNTHIA, ACTUALLY, WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE CHIEF.
SO, YOU READY, MR. MAYOR? I'M, I'M READY, SIR.
I'M GONNA STAND UP SO I CAN, 'CAUSE I HATE, I LIKE THE EYE CONTACT THING AND I HATE DRIFTING MY NECK BACK AND FORTH.
UM, WELL, AS, AS I SAID, UM, I'M ED ULA.
I'VE BEEN WITH THE DISTRICT FOR 24 YEARS, TWO YEARS AS THE CHIEF, UM, STARTED AS A FIREFIGHTER.
EMT, UH, OUT CAME FROM THE FOREST SERVICE.
SO IT'S BEEN A FUN RIDE SO FAR.
UM, I PERSONALLY STARTED THIS PROCESS OF EVALUATING STATION FOUR, UH, WITH, WITH A LOT OF EFFORT IN THE FALL OF 23.
AND, UH, STARTED A CONVERSATION WITH, WITH THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER, KAREN.
AND, UM, THEN OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW SHE, SHE RETIRED AND THEN YOU GUYS FOUND A REPLACEMENT.
AND SO THE PROCESS KIND OF STALLED OUT FOR A BIT.
UM, WHEN ANNETTE HAD TIME AND ENGAGED WITH ME, IT WAS, IT WAS GREAT FROM THE START.
SHE'S VERY PROACTIVE AND VERY OPEN-MINDED AND AS WAS KAREN, BUT I, YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN I'M STARTING THE PROCESS KIND OF OVER AGAIN WITH A NEW CITY MANAGER.
AND, UM, MY NARRATIVE IN MY HEAD WAS FOR, UH, ALMOST A YEAR NOW, WAS TO GET ME ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA, GET ME ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA.
AND IN THE DIRECTION OF MY BOARD WAS GET ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA, LET'S TALK ABOUT STATION FOUR.
AND HER BRILLIANT IDEA WAS, WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE A JOINT MEETING? AND, UH, IT WASN'T EVEN IN MY HEAD BECAUSE TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE TOWN INCORPORATING, OR THE FIRE DISTRICT WE'VE EVER HAD A JOINT MEETING.
SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY COOL.
'CAUSE THAT WAS, THAT'S SMART PEOPLE STUFF RIGHT THERE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING READY FOR THIS.
BUT WE, DESPITE ANY NARRATIVE YOU MADE, LEAN INTO, ALL OF YOU ARE ELECTEDS AND YOU'RE HERE FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF SEDONA.
AND THAT, THAT'S OUR BOARD AND OUR AND OUR COUNCIL, YOU GUYS ARE ALL HERE FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
I, I AGAIN APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY.
SO IF I SCREW THIS UP, IT'S 'CAUSE I'M ALRIGHT.
ALRIGHT, THIS IS, UH, COURTESY OF THE RED ROCK NEWS.
UM, CURRENTLY BACK THEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE CAMERAS 'CAUSE THEY DREW A PICTURE,
WHAT THIS, WHAT THIS ARTICLE SAYS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IN 1972, THEY EXCITEDLY ANNOUNCED STATION FOUR, IT'LL BE ADEQUATE FOR 20 YEARS.
AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE PAST 1972 NOW, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE RENDERING, IT'S, UH, IT HAD THIS LITTLE POP OUT SINGLE STORY PORCH THING ON THE TOP.
IT WAS ESSENTIALLY A GARAGE WHEN IT WAS BUILT, UH, IN THE 1970S.
THEY DID SOME ADDITIONS TO IT.
IT HOUSED OUR APPARATUS, A COUPLE OF 'EM.
AND THEN, UH, THEY BUILT QUARTERS UPSTAIRS FOR THE FIRE CHIEF AND HIS WIFE.
AND THERE WOULD BE A, THERE WAS A PHONE SYSTEM WHERE THEY'D RING DOWN TO HIM AND THEN HE, HE'D RING DOWN TO THE VOLUNTEERS
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AND THERE ALL THEIR PHONES WOULD RING AND THEY'D KNOW WHERE TO GO.UH, THEN AS WE TRANSITIONED INTO THE EIGHTIES, UH, WE FURTHER BUILT OUT, AND YOU'LL SEE IT IN THE, FOR IN THE FUTURE, SLIDE, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
AND IT BECAME KIND OF THE REGIONAL PEACE APP OR DISPATCH CENTER FOR FIRE FOR EVERYTHING FROM PINEWOOD DOWN TO BLACK CANYON CITY AND THE VERDE VALLEY AND, AND SEDONA.
AND FOR DECADES IT WAS THE PRIMARY DISPATCH CENTER IN THE REGION.
AND THEN LATE NINETIES WE STARTED, IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE THE VOLUNTEERS COULDN'T SHUT DOWN THEIR SHOP OR THEIR, THEIR BUSINESS TO RESPOND TO THE, THE INCREASING VOLUME IN CALLS.
SO WE STARTED HIRING MORE AND MORE CAREER FOLKS.
SO THEN THERE WAS A FURTHER REMODEL TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, FOLKS LIVING IN THE STATION FULL TIME.
AND IT WAS, IT WAS NEVER DESIGNED FOR THAT.
AND NOW THIS IS THE CURRENT STATE.
AND IT IS THIS, WE, WE, MOST OF OUR, UH, OLDER STAFF OR MORE SENIOR STAFF, UM, DESPISE THE THOUGHT OF RECONSTRUCTING STATION FOUR BECAUSE IT IT IS THEIR HOUSE.
AND, UH, WHY ARE WE HERE? THE NEED, YOU KNOW, I SAW SOME NARRATIVES ONLINE THAT, OH, THIS IS POOR PLANNING ON THE FIRE DISTRICTS PART.
WHY DO THEY SUDDENLY NEED A FIRE STATION? WHAT, WHAT'S THEIR PROBLEM? THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T PLAN APPROPRIATELY.
WELL, I FOUND MANAGEMENT MEETING NOTES FROM 1996 THAT STATED, UH, ENGINEERS LOOKED AT STATION FOUR.
THERE'S SOME STRUCTURAL ISSUES WE NEED TO CONSIDER REMODELING OR REBUILDING IT.
FAST FORWARD TO ABOUT 2005, OUR CHIEF AT THE TIME GOT AS-BUILT DRAWINGS FOR STATION FOUR WAS OUR BOARD WAS DILIGENTLY SAVING IN THE GENERAL FUND TO FUND, UH, STATION RECONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN WE'RE GETTING READY TO LAUNCH AND THE RECESSION HIT.
AND THEN WE AS STATED, HAD MONEY IN THE BANK RESERVE FUNDS READY TO GO TO BUILD THE STATION.
WE GOT SOME ELECTEDS THAT DIDN'T ALIGN WITH THE DISTRICT'S VISION FOR A WHILE, AND THEIR DECISION WAS TO SPEND DOWN ALL OF OUR RESERVES AND ARTIFICIALLY LOWER THE, THE TAX RATE.
SO WE ENTERED, YOU KNOW, FAST FORWARD TO THE 2012, 2013, WE GET A NEW GOVERNING BOARD.
WELL, AND THERE WAS A FEW IN BETWEEN 'CAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF 'EM.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OR 20 13, 14 15 WORKED TO DESIGN AND GET PREPPED TO BUILD A STATION.
DECIDED IT WAS BEST TO GO OUT FOR A BOND IN 2016, THE BOND FAILED.
AND AT THAT MOMENT, OUR GOVERNING BOARD'S PHILOSOPHY WAS TO, OKAY, LET'S PURPOSEFULLY TUCK AWAY MONEY FOR THE FUTURE AND LET'S GET THIS STATION BUILT.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE AT THAT POINT RIGHT NOW.
AND I KNOW THAT'LL BE A QUESTION FROM THOSE THAT AREN'T AWARE.
OUR BOARD HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF, OF PUTTING AWAY MONEY.
AND IT'S NOT JUST TO PUT AWAY MONEY, IT'S, IT'S FOR PURPOSEFUL MOVEMENT ON PROJECTS WE'VE HAD ON THE BURNER SINCE THE NINETIES, SOME OF THEM.
AND, UH, SO IF THE QUESTIONS ASKED IF, IF WE COME TO A DECISION AT SOME POINT WHERE THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO DO SOME WORK WITH LAND, I, I'D ARGUE THE DISTRICT'S READY TO ROLL.
UM, SO CURRENT STATION FOUR, WHAT, WHY, WHY NOT? JUST, WHY NOT SLAP SOME PAINT ON IT AND DO A QUICK REMODEL TO IT? ONE, THIS IS ABOUT A 15 FOOT RETAINING WALL.
AND WHAT, BY BY DESIGN OR BY LOOKS OR BY INTENT? IT'S A RETAINING WALL.
THE ENGINEER STATED IT WASN'T DESIGNED TO QUITE AS A RETAINING WALL SHOULD BE THE OTHER PART.
UH, PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IT'S ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO I WOULD ARGUE ANY, ANY TEAR DOWN AND REMODEL, THEN WE WE'RE GONNA LOSE X AMOUNT OF FEET BECAUSE WE HAVE TO COME UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS ON SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, INGRESS EGRESS ISSUES WITH FOREST ROAD.
MOST MODERN FIRE STATION DESIGN DICTATES THE BEST PRACTICE IS DRIVE THROUGH BAYS SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BACK.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT 30 ISH PARKING SPOTS IN, IN THE UPTOWN SPACE NEAR STATION FOUR.
AND WHEN IT'S 274, THE INCREASED PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, UM, IT'S JUST, IT IS HIGHLY DESIRABLE NOT TO BE BACKING IN AND OUT OF THOSE BAYS ALL DAY AND THEN IDENTIFY STRUCTURAL ISSUES.
WE, WE DO HAVE A CRACK GOING DOWN THE CENTER OF THE STATION AND IT IS GETTING WIDER.
IT WAS, AS I STATED, IT WAS BUILT AS A GARAGE AND THEN THEY ADDED SOME STUFF ON TOP AND THEN THEY ADDED SOME MORE STUFF ON TOP AND THEN PROBABLY 5,000 MILES OF WIRING FOR A DISPATCH CENTER.
AND WE'VE HAD MOLD REMEDIATION ISSUES AND, AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.
UM, I ALSO STATED WITH THIS, UH, WHEN I, WHEN I TALK ABOUT DELAYED RESPONSE TIMES DUE TO STATION LAYOUT, IT, IT WASN'T BUILT FOR
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PEOPLE TO LIVE IN.SO WHEN I STARTED SEDONA FIRE THE BEDROOM, I SLIPPED AND HAD A SLIDING GLASS DOOR, YOU KNOW, ONE YOU WOULD USE TO GO OUT TO A PATIO BECAUSE MY BEDROOM WAS A PATIO BEFORE THEY ENCLOSED IT AND THEY JUST KEPT THE SLIDING GLASS DOOR.
WE HAVE ANOTHER BEDROOM CURRENTLY AT THE STATION THAT IT WAS A LIVING ROOM AND THEN IT WAS A WEIGHT ROOM, BUT THEN THE WEIGHT STARTED COLLAPSING THE FLOOR.
AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE CLOSETS THAT WE TURN INTO BEDROOMS THERE.
AND SO OUR GUYS ARE FINE, PUT SOME GOOD PAINT ON A COMFORTABLE MATTRESS, THEY'LL DO ANYTHING.
BUT THE, THE PROBLEM WITH STATION DESIGN AND STATION FLOW IS THEY'VE GOT TWO STAIRWELLS THEY CAN GO DOWN, BUT THE, THE FLOW IS, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY FOR MOST OF THE BEDROOMS, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH FOUR DOORWAYS TO GET TO THE APPARATUS BAY.
AND IT'S JUST, IT, IT MAY SEEM SILLY, BUT IT REALLY SECONDS COUNT IN AN EMERGENCY AND EVERY, EVERY DOOR YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND EVERY STAIRWELL YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN, IT ADDS TIME TO YOU GETTING OUT THE DOOR IN THE FIRE TRUCK.
SO, UH, IDEALLY MODERN STATION DESIGN AND OUR BEST EXAMPLE IS STATION SIX, UM, IN THE CHAPEL, UH, IF YOU EVER HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, THE FLOW FROM THE LIVING QUARTERS TO THE, THE APPARATUS SPACE, IT'S SMOOTH FLOW.
UH, THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS IS WITH HAVING LIVING QUARTERS ABOVE THE GARAGE BAY AND DEGRADED DEPTH DRYWALL AND, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE PUNCH THROUGHS THE CEILING FOR MULTIPLE DISPATCH CHANGES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THE THE IDEA THAT WE CAN COMPLETELY SEAL THAT OFF FROM THE BENZENE AND CARCINOGENS FROM SEEPING THROUGH THE LIVING QUARTERS, IT'S NOT PRACTICAL AND MODERN FIRE STATION DESIGN ALSO DICTATES YOU HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A HOT AND A COLD ZONE WHERE THE, THE, THE EXHAUST MEETING PRODUCTS ARE IN THE HOT ZONE AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME, SOME BARRIER TO THE COLD ZONE WHERE THE PEOPLE LIVE.
AND UH, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE AN EXTENSIVE REMODEL TO A STATION THAT HAS A STACK OF OTHER ISSUES.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS STATION SIX.
UM, AND I COVERED A LOT OF THESE, BUT IDEALLY, DRIVE THROUGH BAYS REDUCE ACCIDENT EXPOSURE.
WE'RE NOT BACKING UP INTO PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
UH, AND IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN VIDEOS OR BEEN TO A BIG CITY WHERE THEY HAVE THE CROSS HATCHES IN THE ROAD AND THE FIREFIGHTERS ALL GET OUT AND STOP PEOPLE AND THE TRUCK BACKS IN, WE'D LIKE TO AVOID THAT AT ALL COSTS.
ESPECIALLY IN THE UPTOWN CHARACTER AREA WHERE, UM, DESPITE SOME MYTHS OUT THERE, IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO BE BUSY.
I PROMISE YOU SEDONA HAS BEEN DISCOVERED.
I'M JUST GONNA LET YOU KNOW,
IT'S GOT A LOT OF LEGS AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINABLE ARCHITECTURE AND SOMETHING THAT FITS WITH THE UPTOWN CHARACTER AREA AND THAT THAT IS OUR DESIRE.
WHAT, WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT SIDE OF THINGS.
UM, WHEN WE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT A NEW STATION, UH, STATION THREE IN THE VILLAGE, UH, THE CHAPEL STATION, WE HAVE SOME SIZE OF A COMMUNITY ROOM, 10 TO 20 PEOPLE OR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS, BUSINESS, LOCAL BUSINESS GROUPS, UM, ANY, ANY COMMUNITY EVENTS, GIRL SCOUTS, BOY SCOUTS, THEY CAN UTILIZE OUR STATION AND, UH, BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC SPACE.
SO OUR INTENT WOULD BE AS WE CONSTRUCT NEW STATIONS THAT INCLUDE THAT IN THE DESIGN ELEMENT, BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT.
'CAUSE WE WE'RE, WE'RE THE COMMUNITIES FIREHOUSE WHERE THE COMMUNITIES HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WELCOME AND WE'RE OPEN 24 7.
SO WE WANT TO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE.
THE OTHER PIECE TO THE COMMUNITY SPACES IS, IS UH, WHEN TALKING WITH THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER AND DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE UPTOWN MASTER PLAN AND, UH, SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT THE CITY HAD IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE POTENTIAL FOR THE, THE FIRE DISTRICT TO INCORPORATE A, A PUBLIC RESTROOM, AN OUT FACING PUBLIC RESTROOM FOR, FOR VISITORS OR, OR, OR I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, A A SPOT FOR, FOR OUR CHIEF FOLEY'S FOLKS TO CRY, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND WHATEVER, WHATEVER, WHATEVER, RIGHT.
LOOKS LIKE FOR THE PARTNERSHIP IS, IS IS WHAT THAT MEANS BY COMMUNITY SPACES.
SO, UM, NEXT, SO THIS IS, AGAIN, A LOT OF YOU FOLKS HAVE BEEN WITH, WITH THE, THE FIRE BOARD OR THE COUNCIL FOR A LONG TIME.
SO I MIGHT BE HASHING OLD STUFF, BUT JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS IS OUR CURRENT FOREST ROAD FIRE STATION FOUR, AND THEN OUR ANNEX.
AND THEN WE, WE OWN THE PARKING LOT, WHICH, WHICH WE LEASED TO YOU GUYS AND YOU THE CITY PAVED IT, UM, MANY MOON MANY ITERATIONS AGO OF TRYING TO GET STATION FOUR GOING.
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SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR, SAL AND I HAVE A WONDERFUL RELATIONSHIP.
HE'S, HE'S A LONGSTANDING CITIZEN AND, UM, I, HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO WANT TO KEEP HIS PROPERTY IN UPTOWN BECAUSE IT, IT'S HIS PROPERTY.
BUT, UM, ONE OF OUR PLANS WAS IF WE WERE TO ACQUIRE THAT IT WOULD ALLOW FOR A DRIVE THROUGH BAY AND AND ACCOMMODATE.
ULTIMATELY WE'D LIKE A SINGLE STORY STATION SO YOU CAN ELIMINATE THE STAIRS, SLIP, TRIP FALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND A DA COMPLIANCE AND, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO THAT, THAT'S OUR CURRENT CURRENT SPOT.
NOW IN, IN FALL OF 23, WHEN I APPROACHED THE CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME, I SAID, HEY, I'VE BEEN SCOURING THE EARTH FOR OPPORTUNITIES IN UPTOWN.
AND UH, I I IDENTIFIED THAT WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE BANK PROPERTY, 'CAUSE THOSE HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME AGO.
THAT WAS THE BANK WAY BACK IN THE DAY.
AND THEN, UH, WE IDENTIFIED THE PARKING LOT AT TWO 60 SCHLEY AND MY HEAVY LIEN WAS FOR THE, THE JORDAN ROAD PROPERTY.
AND THIS KIND OF DESCRIBES WHY, UH, IT'S A BIG RECTANGLE AND I'M A DUMB FIREFIGHTER.
SO PUTTING A BUILDING ON A RECTANGLE MADE OUT OF SENSE IN MY BRAIN.
AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S THE SMART PEOPLE STUFF.
THE ELEVATION IS, THE ELEVATION CHANGED FROM FRONT TO BACK.
IT OPENS UP RIGHT TO WHERE JORDAN ROAD WIDENS.
UM, IF YOU TALK TO OUR NEIGHBORS IN THE CHAPEL WHO THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA BE THE WORST NEIGHBORS IN THE WORLD, THEY, THEY LOVE HAVING A FIRE STATION THERE NOW.
AND REALISTICALLY, IF IT WAS HERE OR HERE, OUR OUR APP APPARATUS WOULD RESPOND WITH LIGHTS AND THEY, THEY WOULDN'T GO LIVE OR OR LOUD UNTIL THEY HIT 89 A.
SO IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY LITTLE IMPACT TO THE, THE NEIGHBORS AS FAR AS NOISE AND THINGS GO AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS GO TO BED EARLY.
AND, UH, NOW, NOW AT THE TIME, UH, THE CITY MANAGER STATED THAT THIS HAS A LABEL ON IT AND THERE'S A PLAN.
SO WE, LET'S LOOK AT THE PARKING LOT AGAIN.
THIS WOULD BE A GOOD, A GOOD SPOT FOR US.
WE HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGES WITH THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE OF THE WIDTH OF SY ROAD.
BUT THE MORE WE INVESTED TIME INTO RESEARCHING THAT LOT, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO EAT UP A LOT MORE PARKING THAN WE THOUGHT.
AND, UH, I I, THE INTENT WAS, AND THE DIRECTION TO ME WAS GIVE ME SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GONNA, THAT'LL KEEP AS MUCH PUBLIC PARKING AS POSSIBLE.
AND I THINK JUST WITH THE NATURE OF THE WAY THIS LOT'S SET UP, WE'RE GONNA EAT UP A LOT MORE PARKING SPOTS THAN I INITIALLY THOUGHT.
SO ULTIMATELY, YES, THE 4 0 1 IS THE RECTANGLE AND I, IT'S, IT'S DESIRABLE, BUT BOTH OF THESE ARE WORKING, WORKING OPPORTUNITIES.
THE THE THIRD ONE THAT I DIDN'T GET A SLIDE OF THAT WE'LL DISCUSS TODAY IS, I CALL IT THE RANGER DISTRICT 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT YET.
AND I, I JUST, I LEARNED TODAY THAT WE'RE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT BUILD OUT ON IT OR THE, THE PLANS ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT SO THERE'S LIKE A ARE CLOSE TO CLOSE TO, YEAH.
SO THAT DEFINITELY PUTS, PUTS AN OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF US THAT LETS US JUMP RIGHT OUT ONTO 89 A AND GO EITHER DIRECTION AND, AND AVOID UPTOWN.
IT TAKES US OUT OF THE UPTOWN CHARACTER AREA.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE EMOTIONS COULD POTENTIALLY GET INVOLVED IN BECAUSE IT'S, THE FIREHOUSE ISN'T RIGHT THERE.
HOWEVER, WE HAD OUR GS ANALYSTS DO SOME MAPPING AND UM, WE'RE, WE'RE BOUND TO OUR DESIRABLE STATE IS TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE INSURANCE SERVICE ORGANIZATION OR THE ISO RATING AND UH, LIKE OUR CANYON RATINGS 10, BUT DOWN HERE WE'RE BETTER.
BUT ULTIMATELY ISO RATING IS, THERE'S MANY FACTORS.
ONE OF 'EM IS FIVE ROAD MILES FROM A FIRE STATION AND, AND MOVING THE STATION TO THE RANGER DISTRICT, I'LL CALL IT FROM UPTOWN, REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE ANY OF OUR ROAD MILE STATISTICS FOR THE SAKE OF ISO.
SO, OR AND RESPONSE TIMES YOU COULD GO UP, YOU KNOW, THAT POTENTIALLY, DEPENDING ON ALIGNMENT, THAT STATION COULD SHOOT RIGHT UP THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION AND BE IN UPTOWN OR GO UP THROUGH 89 A IF IF TRAFFIC'S FLOWING, YOU KNOW.
AND SO IT, IT IS NOT A HORRIBLE SPOT EITHER, BUT KIND OF THE LEAN AND I, I TRY TO READ THE TEA LEAVES IT, THE, THE INITIAL LIEN SEEMS TO BE THAT THERE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE VOCAL ABOUT IT STAYING IN, IN THERE UPTOWN AND, UH, SO NO TV LEAVES NEEDED NO WHAT? NO TEA LEAVES NEEDED.
THIS, THIS JUST COVERS, SO THESE, THIS IS OUR STATION FIVE ON OUR STATION FOUR.
AND IT MAKES SENSE TO ME 'CAUSE I'VE STARTED THIS MAP 5,000 TIMES.
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SHOWS A FIVE MILE BUBBLE AND IF YOU PLUG IN THE ROAD MILES, IT SHOWS, UM, THAT, AS I STATED, IT DOESN'T HAVE A HUGE IMPACT.UM, WHAT WHAT IS NOTEWORTHY IS WE'RE ALSO MAKING ATTEMPTS AT RELOCATING OUR STATION FIVE.
IT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WE'VE BEEN HANDED.
DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH THE CITY 'CAUSE IT'S IN THE CANYON, BUT IF, IF WE WERE TO RELOCATE THAT FURTHER NORTH, IT WOULD ACTUALLY IMPROVE HOW WE COVER OUR RESPONSE AREAS BECAUSE WE WOULD SPREAD 'EM OUT IN A MORE EFFICIENT WAY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY PORTION OF THE SLIDESHOW.
IT MAY BE PREMATURE, BUT YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN, UH, SAVING MONEY.
IS THAT ENOUGH TO COVER CONSTRUCTION OR LAND ACQUISITION AND CONSTRUCTION AND HOW PESSIMISTIC HAVE YOU GOTTEN ABOUT THE COST TO BUILD STUFF? 'CAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN OUR HEARTS BROKEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
I I JUST, IRONICALLY THE STATION FIRE STATION DESIGN CONFERENCE, YES.
THERE'S SUCH A THING WAS IN MAY AND IT WAS IN GLENDALE THIS YEAR.
SO I WENT, UM, FIRE STATION COSTS, CITY COSTS FOR, YOU KNOW, MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS HAS GONE UP 200% SINCE 2012.
SO, UM, 20%, I I HAVE MADE THE GOVERNING BOARD AWARE OF THAT REALITY.
AND, UH, MY MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT COSTS AREN'T GONNA GO DOWN.
AND SO HAD WE HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS MEETING 10 YEARS AGO, WE WOULD BE HAVING A MUCH DIFFERENT CONVERSATION ABOUT NUMBERS.
BUT SPECIFIC TO SAVING MONEY AND BEING READY, I'M NOT GONNA ANSWER FOR THE BOARD, BUT I CAN TELL YOU BASED ON CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD, WE, WE HAVE A GREAT FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND IF, IF WHEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT LAND ACQUISITION AND, AND STATION CONSTRUCTION WHERE HE'S GONNA GUIDE US, THEIR GROUP'S GONNA GUIDE US TOWARDS HOW TO BEST DO IT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'LL DEPEND.
SO IS IT BEST NOW TO DO SOME FINANCING OR SHOULD WE WAIT A LITTLE LONGER OR SHOULD, WHAT SHOULD WE PAY FOR? WHAT SHOULD WE FINANCE WITH SCORES? DO WE JUST, OR WE ALTER THE PLAN, WHAT DO WE DO? BUT I WE'RE, I WOULD ARGUE AND PLEASE BOARD THIS FORMAT'S SPUNKY FOR ME BECAUSE IT'S MORE INTERACTIVE THAN A BOARD MEETING.
SO I I I'M IN OUR BOARD MEETINGS, WE, IT, IT IS HARD WITHOUT AN AGENDA AS TO HAVE THE BOARD.
BUT ULTIMATELY, I I'M GONNA SAY WHEN WE, WE COME TO A COLLABORATION, UM, THEN WE TAKE IT TO THE BOARD AND THE BOARD HAS, I PREPARE SOMETHING FOR THE BOARD AND THEY'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION JUST LIKE YOU GUYS DO WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD.
BUT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE IN GOOD FINANCIAL POSITION TO TO, TO ACCOMPLISH SOME THESE AREN'T WANTS, WELL, OH, THE NEW GUY WANTS TO BUILD FIRE STATION.
THIS, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE NEEDED SINCE NINE SIX.
SO LET ME JUMP IN AND SUPPORT WHAT CHIEF MISSOULA HAD SAID.
UM, I THINK WE'RE IN A REALLY GOOD FINANCIAL POSITION TO MOVE AHEAD, UM, AND TO DO THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING THE WORK FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS TO GET READY FOR THIS.
UM, AND I THINK FINANCIALLY, UM, WE WE'RE SET TO GO.
SO IF WE HAVE THE RIGHT PLACE WE CAN GO FORWARD.
WHAT LAND DO YOU HAVE THAT YOU MIGHT BE WILLING TO SWAP OR SOMEWHERE ALL OF ALREADY? UH, LOOK OVER THERE.
SO THE FIRE DISTRICT FOR AT LEAST IN MY TENURE AND BEYOND, HAS BEEN VERY FRUGAL AND, UH, HASN'T, HASN'T SOUGHT OUT A LOT OF LAND.
SO ANY PROPERTIES THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY ENTERTAIN OR OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS, THEY'RE IN THE DISTRICT.
AND, UM, ULTIMATELY THE, UH, A DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR CURRENT PROPERTY AND IF THAT HAS VALUE TO THE CITY WOULD BE, WOULD BE THE PRIMARY SPOT.
AND OF COURSE THIS IS, THIS IS NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN BOARD AND COUNCIL, BUT I I I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE, IT'D BE PRETTY EASY FOR US TO GIVE UP THE PARKING LOT THAT YOU GUYS PAVED 'CAUSE YOU ALREADY DID IT.
AND, AND SO, BUT IS THAT, DOES THAT ADD VALUE TO THE CITY'S MISSION? YOU KNOW, AND, AND UM, THERE, THERE IS, TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR, I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS, UM, WE DO HAVE THE COMMUNICATIONS TOWER THERE, WHICH I THINK YOU'RE AWARE OF AND, UM, THAT CAN'T MOVE IT, IT HAS TO STAY THERE.
SO WE WOULD HAVE A PIECE OF THAT LAND WE HAVE TO KEEP REGARDLESS OF WHAT OCCURS.
BUT, UM, THERE'S STILL VALUABLE PROPERTY THERE.
BUT IS IT VALUABLE TO THE CITY? I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW.
THE, UH, 4 0 1 JORDAN PROPERTY.
IN YOUR PERFECT WORLD, WOULD YOU WANT ALL OF IT? OR A PORTION OF IT? SO WE'VE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY RGS GUYS SMART AND HE IS JUMPED INTO THE WORLD OF, OF LAYOUT DESIGN NOW.
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AND, UH, I THINK THAT PROPERTY, WHAT IT WOULD END UP LOOKING LIKE IS, IT'D BE MOST A LOT, BUT THERE WOULD BE A PORTION OF PROBABLY THE NORTH SIDE THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED TO MORE PUBLIC PARKING THAN WE NORMALLY WOULD PROVIDE AT A FIRE STATION.'CAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S THE BUSINESSES IN UPTOWN, SO WE WOULDN'T LOSE ALL THOSE PARKING SPOTS, BUT A MAJORITY OF 'EM.
BUT REALLY TO APPROPRIATELY LAY OUT THE STATION AS A SINGLE STORY, WHICH IS IDEAL, IT'D BE MOST OF THE PROPERTY.
I'M INTERESTED IN YOUR ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.
IS IT DOWN STATION FOUR, THE CHAPEL STATION, THE COMMUNITY SPACE THAT YOU DO HAVE? HOW MUCH DOES IT REALLY GET USED? AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GUYS ARE OFF ON A CALL? IS IT STILL AVAILABLE FOR USE? SO THE, THE CHAPEL COMMUNITY ROOM ISN'T USED AS OFTEN.
UH, THE ONE HERE, WE HAVE A MULTIPURPOSE ROOM AT STATION ONE RIGHT HERE ON SOUTHWEST DRIVE.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT A COMMUNITY ROOM IN THE VILLAGE.
THE VILLAGE ROOM IS BOOKED OUT ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND UH, WE TYPICALLY HAVE A STAFF MEMBER, A 40 HOUR STAFF MEMBER THERE.
AND THEN, UM, AND, AND IT IS BEEN CYCLICAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD GIRL SCOUT TROOPS IN THERE AND BOY SCOUTS OVER THE YEARS.
IT'S JUST, AND THEN HOW ABOUT THE USE HERE IN STATION ONE? IT'S, SO IT'S PICKING UP AGAIN.
WE DO BLOOD DRIVES THERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT'S, IT, IT FOR A LONG TIME.
WELL, I KEEP, WE KEEP SAYING DURING COVID, BUT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE, I RECOGNIZED THE OTHER DAY, COVID WAS FIVE YEARS AGO.
SO, BUT, BUT IT HAS TAKEN THAT LONG FOR REALLY THE COMMUNITY TO RAMP BACK UP AND, UM, UM, CHANDRA, I CAN'T THINK OF HER LAST NAME.
SHE, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE THEATER TROOP PRACTICES IN OUR, 'CAUSE I GUESS IT'S GOT WONDERFUL ACOUSTICS.
WE DO THE BLOOD DRIVES THERE, WE HAVE COMMUNITY EVENTS.
UH, THE VILLAGE IS REALLY, UH, AN IDEAL SPOT AND USED HEAVILY FOR BIG PARK AND A LOT OF THE COUNCILS OUT THERE.
AND, AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO GET MORE AND MORE REQUESTS TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE REWRITING THAT FACILITIES POLICY BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WANTED TO RUN A BUSINESS OUT THERE.
OH, WE'LL THROW YOU SOME RENT.
WELL, NO, YOU CAN'T, CAN'T DO YOUR CLASSES HERE.
SO 4 0 1 JORDAN, INSTEAD OF PRETTY PARKING THERE, WOULD IT BE ABLE TO BE CONSTRUCT IN SUCH A WAY WE COULD DO SOME, UH, HOUSING THERE? NOT AS MUCH HOUSING AS WE ORIGINALLY PLANNED, BUT CAN WE CARVE OUT A SECTION? WE COULD DO 20, 30 UNITS, 10 UNITS AND A FIRE STATION.
AND A FIRE STATION? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
YEAH, JUST 'CAUSE YOU HAD, I MEAN, AVERAGE FIRE TRUCK'S 42 FEET ISH LONG AND THEN SO THE FRONT RAMP'S GOTTA BE 40 FEET LONG AND THEN THE BAY'S GOTTA BE 50 FEET LONG AND THEN THE BACK RAMP.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IT EATS UP THE PROPERTY PRETTY QUICK.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WIDTH, NOT SO MUCH THE FRONT AND THE BACK FOR THE BAY.
SO ONE STREET TO THE NEXT, BUT, BUT I DON'T THINK, AND THAT'S FINE.
HIGHER YOU WANT TO GO FOUR STORIES? WE COULD, WE COULD PUT ALL KINDS OF STUFF ON THAT THING.
NEIGHBORS OVER THERE YOU COULD TALK TO ABOUT THAT.
NO, BUT I, I, I REALLY DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD WORK.
I'M JUST, AND I'M NOT A BUILDER, BUT JUST ENVISIONING THE 67 CONDOS GOING IN RIGHT HERE NEXT TO STATION ONE.
I MEAN THAT'S A HUGE PIECE OF PROPERTY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
SO, SO MY SECOND QUESTION IS FOR STATION FOUR, UH, THE PROPERTY VALUE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING STATION.
BUT THERE'S A PROBLEM UNDERGROUND, DON'T YOU? YOU HAVE A BUNKER ELECTRONICS UNDER THERE, NOT YOU, BUT THERE'S SOME EQUIPMENT UNDER THERE FROM COMMUNICATIONS FROM LINK SUB LINK ONE OF THEM.
SO IT'S, SO WE, RIGHT BEFORE I TOOK OVER MY POSITION, WE, WE DID SOME, UH, WE DID SOME HEAVY EVALUATING OF THAT LOT AND HAD IT, I THINK IT'S ULTRASOUND OR RADIOGRAPH, WHERE'S THE SMART TOOL? WHERE THEY GO THROUGH AND IT SEEMS TO ME ALL THE UTILITIES THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY UTILITIES ARE KIND OF CUT IN A PATH THAT WOULD ALIGN WITH AN EASEMENT WE WOULD NEED TO MAINTAIN IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE TOWER.
SO, UM, THERE, THERE'S A LINE BASICALLY, AND WE COULD PREP FOR THE STATION IS IF IT WAS TO GO TO THE GROUND AND BE BE RAW READY DIRT, IT, IT, THERE'S HOW I THINK FOR A FIRE STATION I'M THINKING A VALUE OF A NEW BUILDING.
NO, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M COMMERCIAL.
WHATEVER, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE, WE KEPT, SAY, WE SAY WE RELEASE THE PARKING LOT AND THEN WE KEEP A SLIVER TO ACCESS OUR, OUR RADIO TOWER AND THEN THE, THE PARKING ADJACENT TO THE STATION AND THE STATION ITSELF COULD BE TAKEN TO THE GROUND AND IT'D BE A DECENT SIZED PIECE OF VALUABLE CO PROPERTY.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYTHING UNDERGROUND AS FAR AS HOW FAR HE'D GO WITH THE FOOTING THERE.
THERE WOULD, I WOULD IMAGINE BECAUSE THE RETAINING WALLS ON THE PROPERTY LINE, THERE'D BE SOME WORK THERE AND THEN THERE IS, UH, YOU COULD CALL IT A SEPTIC TANK.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD QUALIFY IT AS THAT, BUT THERE IS A TANK THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED AND, BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING MOST THE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE IS KIND OF CUT ALONG THAT EASEMENT FOR THE TOWER.
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OKAY.SO YOU INDICATED THAT, UM, YOU'VE HAD SOME KIND OF DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMUNITY AT THIS POINT BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS A, UM, PREDISPOSITION TOWARD PEOPLE IN UPTOWN WANTING TO KEEP A FIRE STATION UPTOWN.
BUT ANY LOCATION THAT IS A NEW LOCATION, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN IF YOU STAY WHERE YOU ARE AND WE, WHAT OUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN IS ANYTIME THERE'S A PROPOSAL FOR ANYTHING THAT'S NEW, THERE'S LOTS OF OPPOSITION.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR FEELING ABOUT THAT IN THE COMMUNITY? YOU KNOW, I, I'VE SPOKEN TO SOME BUSINESS OWNERS AND IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN OKAY, COOL.
SO YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE AROUND.
AND THEN, UM, THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTS UPTOWN, IT'S JUST, IT'S THEIR FIRE STATION, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S JUST, JUST LIKE THE VILLAGE.
WE HAVE REGULAR VISITORS AT THE, IT IS THEIR FIRE STATION AND IT TRULY IS THEIR STATION.
BUT THEY HAVE, AND AGAIN, AS I STATED, IT'S EMOTIONAL, BUT IT IS, THEY HAVE A CONNECTION TO IT.
AND, UM, AND THERE'S PERCEPTION AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE WERE TO LAND ON SOMETHING IN THE REGION THAT WOULD SUIT OUR NEEDS, AND IT'S, IT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH THAT PERCEPTION OF IT NOT NO LONGER BEING AN UPTOWN STATION, THAT'D BE OUR MISSION TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC, HEY, THIS ISN'T CHANGING RESPONSE TIMES.
THIS IS, THIS IS NOT HURTING OUR ABILITY TO SERVE.
YOU SEE, I'M CONCERNED THOUGH, THERE'LL BE THE OPPOSITE RESPONSE THAT IT'LL BE, NO, WE DON'T WANT A FIRE STATION HERE BECAUSE THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL SAY THEY'LL INCREASE TRAFFIC, IT'LL INCREASE NOISE, IT'LL INCREASE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE USUAL LAUNDRY LIST WE HEAR.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU'VE GOTTEN TALKING TO RESIDENTS, NOT BUSINESSES TO GAUGE THAT.
I'VE TALKED, I'VE TALKED TO A FEW RESIDENTS, BUT I WANT TO QUALIFY THAT THE RESIDENTS I HAVE SPOKEN WITH GENERALLY HAVE STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT THINGS.
SO IF I WERE TO TELL YOU HONESTLY, I I CANVAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I HAVE NOT.
BUT THOSE FOLKS, THE, THE LOCAL MINORITY THAT HAS EXPRESSED ULTIMATE SUPPORT FOR US, RELOCATING STATION IN UPTOWN SAID THEY'D BE OVERJOYED.
AND MY, MY TAKE IS THEY'D PROBABLY LOVE HAVING A FIRE STATION AT 4 0 1 JORDAN INSTEAD OF A HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY WOULD SAY CREATES MORE TRAFFIC THAN THAT FIRE STATION.
AND I THINK THAT THE FOLKS IN UPTOWN THAT ARE VERY FIRE AWARE PROBABLY WOULD VALUE A EVEN MORE CENTRAL TO UPTOWN LOCATION.
SEE, NOW THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT ORIGINALLY, BUT THEN I'M THINKING THAT THAT MIGHT NOT BE WHAT WE EXPECT.
WE HAVE LOTS OF REASON THAT WE WOULD EXPECT THAT, BUT I AM SUSPICIOUS THAT THERE MIGHT BE A CHANGE IN PERCEPTION THERE.
AND, AND YES MA'AM,
I'M SURE THAT IT'LL BE A MIXED BAG.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO DO WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR YOU AND FOR THE COMMUNITY AND DEAL WITH WHATEVER ESSENTIAL PUBLIC SERVICE, IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY, THE MOST BASIC OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO I THINK THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER FAILURE OF OPINION THERE MIGHT BE SHOULDN'T INTER WE'LL BECOME, WE'LL BE WHEREVER WE GO.
AND SO JUST TAKE IT AS A GIVEN AND PICK THE BEST PLACE.
AND I, I, I APPRECIATE THAT MAYOR JALO, YOU RECALL THAT THE SENTIMENT ABOUT STATION SIX AND THE HORRIBLE NEIGHBORS, IT WAS AS IF WE WERE BUILDING A BROTHEL IN THE, IN THE CHAPEL AND, UH, OR HOUSES THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN WELCOMED
BUT REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND AS I STATED, NOW THAT THE GUYS REPORT REGULARLY, THE NEIGHBORS ARE, YOU KNOW, THE JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE, THE CHURCH AND, AND THE LOCAL RESIDENTS ARE JUST ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THAT STATION BEING THERE.
THEY'RE LIKE, WOW, YOU GUYS ARE PRETTY COOL NEIGHBORS.
YOU'RE NOT AS LOUD AS WE THOUGHT.
AND SO WHILE THAT, THAT IS A CONCERN TO ME AS WELL, I THINK, I THINK THAT THE, THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THE CHAPEL CONSTRUCTION HELP WILL HELP GUIDE US IN, YOU KNOW, HOW WE APPROACH OUR PUBLIC ABOUT WHATEVER OPTIONS ARE OUT THERE.
CHIEF, I THINK ONE THING THAT YOU'RE NOT GRASPING BUT YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND AND OUR COUNSELORS DO, AND WHILE AND SAY EXACTLY WHAT BOTH OF YOU ARE SAYING, I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE PUSHED BACK ABOUT THE FIRE STATION FOR NEIGHBORS.
YEAH, YEAH, THE NOISE, RIGHT? OH YEAH.
IF, IF SOMEBODY COULD JUST DROP THE BUILDING IN OVERNIGHT WITH NO, NO HELICOPTER NOISE, DROP IT DOWN, HAVE EVERYBODY JUST SHOW UP FOR WORK, NOBODY WILL COMPLAIN.
A LOT OF PUSHBACK BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE FAR THROAT EXTENSION, WE HAVE THE PARKING GARAGE, A LOT OF DUST, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, CONCERN, LEGITIMATE CONCERN FOR THAT, AND NOW ANOTHER PROJECT.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOUR PUSHBACK WOULD BE.
BUT I KNOW YOU AND I KNOW THE DEPARTMENT REALLY WELL, AND I KNOW YOU DO GREAT OUTREACH
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AND I DON'T, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT AFRAID TO DO THAT.SO I THINK IF YOU WERE, IF THIS IS A LOCATION THAT WAS CHOSEN, YOU WOULD BE UP TO THE TASK OF REACHING OUT TO THOSE NEIGHBORS AND DOING, UH, UH, UH, AN OUTREACH TO THEM AND LETTING 'EM KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THE FIRE STATION IS, WHICH I'M SURE THEY'LL AGREE WITH.
AND EVERYTHING WOULD BE DONE TO MINIMIZE ANY CONSTRUCTION ISSUE.
AND WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, UP TO AN INCLUDING DESIGN, BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BIG SURPRISE, ALL THE CONTRACTORS THAT DO FIRE STATIONS ARE OUT OF PHOENIX AND THEY'RE BANGING ON STATIONS RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE BUILDING STATIONS EVERYWHERE.
AND SO THEY KIND OF GOT SOME, SOME CANNED PACKAGES THEY'RE PUTTING OUT NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE BUILDING THEM SO FAST, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, WE, WE DEFINITELY, I, AND YOU KNOW, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BOARD, WE'D WANT TO COMMIT TO SOMETHING THAT, THAT ENHANCES THE UPTOWN CHARACTER AREA.
IT WOULDN'T BE JUST A, A CUT AND PASTE.
CHIEF, I KNOW THIS MEETING IS, YOU KNOW, TO TALK WITH US ABOUT THE CITY LOCATIONS.
ARE THERE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT YOU'VE GOT YOUR EYE ON? IF YOU WAVE THE MAGIC WAND, WHAT'S THE THE BEST LOCATION FOR YOU TO BE? YOU KNOW, I, I LOOKED AT THE JORDAN LOFT PROPERTY THAT'S, IT'S A LITTLE FARTHER UP AND, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING THROUGH A LOT MORE OF JORDAN ROAD TO GET OUT TO THE HIGHWAY.
UM, I, I LOOKED AT SNE HILL ROAD WHERE THEY WERE PUTTING THE HOTEL AND THEN, UH, AND, BUT THEN I KNOW THERE'S A, THERE'S A PROCESS GOING ON THERE, THAT'D BE A GOOD LOCATION, UM, THAT, THAT VICINITY.
I EVEN ENTERTAINED THE, UH, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR, RIGHT WHEN YOU LEAVE UPTOWN, THERE'S THIS OLD SLIDE, OLD SLIDE ROCK LODGE OR RED ROCK LODGE SLIDE, ROCK LODGE, THE, YEAH, THE OLD LODGE.
I WAS LIKE, OH, I LOOKED AT THAT.
I'M LIKE, THAT'D BE KIND OF A COOL PROPERTY.
BUT AGAIN, THERE'S PLANS FOR THAT.
AND THEN, UM, YEAH, THE, THE THE 4 0 1, THE, THE BANK PROPERTY IS NOT MY IDEA THAT THAT WAS FLOATED MANY MOONS AGO.
AND, UH, IT, LIKE I SAID, IT JUST THIS, ITS SIZE, SHAPE, LOCATION, AND WHAT, WHAT REALLY JUST INTERESTS ME IS HOW IT'S RIGHT WHERE IT OPENS UP.
JORDAN ROAD OPENS UP AND UH, BUT, UM, IT PIQUED MY INTEREST AND I HAD NO IDEA THE SCOPE OF THE REARRANGEMENT AND THE CORON, THE ARRANGER DISTRICT, UH, I, AS I SAID I CALL IT.
AND, UH, THAT, THAT MAY BE AN AWESOME LOCATION.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE FINAL PLAT AND SEE, SEE, EXACTLY.
'CAUSE IT, THERE ARE SOME, I WALKED IT LAST WEEK AND THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF ROCK TO REMOVE AND THE, THE MAIN POWER LINE THAT FEEDS THE CANYON RUNS RIGHT OVER THAT PROPERTY.
AND IT, THERE'D BE SOME, IN SOME, SOME LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE CONCERNS.
AND THEN THERE'S SOLDIERS PAST WASH, WHICH YOU'VE BEEN HERE A WHILE, YOU KNOW, THAT THING FLOODS LIKE NOBODY'S BUSINESS.
SO, AND IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY 50, 60 FEET WIDE OF RIGHT.
I'D LIKE TO, CYNTHIA CAN WALK THROUGH ALL THE THESE YEAH.
CYNTHIA, YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION? I DO.
ARE YOU THE DEVELOPER OF THIS, UM, OF, OF THIS? I COULD BE.
I, I JUST, I DIDN'T KNOW I I HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO THANK YOU.
IT'S, IT'S ALL THE THINGS I WANTED TO SAY AND ANALYZE AND DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO, AND I WAS LIKE, HOLY MOLY.
IT'S LIKE THEY'RE IN MY HEAD AND THEY'RE 50.
SO THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT, UM, WE'VE ALREADY COVERED.
SO I'LL PROBABLY SKIMM OVER FOR SOME OF THAT.
UM, SO THIS IS INTENTIONALLY CALLED A PRELIMINARY CITING ASSESSMENT BECAUSE IT'S VERY PRELIMINARY.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF, UM, UNKNOWNS FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE.
AND REALLY WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR HERE, IF WE'RE GOING KEEP GOING ON AN ASSESSMENT IS DIRECTION.
BECAUSE ON ANY ONE OF THE LOCATIONS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT COULD HAVE GONE DOWN THAT ROAD AND GIVEN A PRESENTATION ON EACH OF THESE, BUT IT WOULD BE TOO HOURS LONG.
BUT, UM, WE DIDN'T WANNA GO TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD, SAME UNTIL WE KNEW MORE.
UM, SO THE THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, AND WHEN I SAY WE, THIS IS REALLY COMING FROM OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT FROM LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS WHERE THE CONCERNS.
UM, SO THAT COULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS, UM, BUSINESSES, OTHER AGENCIES AND ORGANIZATIONS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE FIRE DISTRICT.
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OF SEDONA, DISTINGUISHING THAT FROM COMMUNITY GOING TO CITY OF SEDONA, THE ORGANIZATION.AND SO ALL OF THE PAST INVESTMENTS, UM, THAT HAVE GONE INTO OTHER PROJECTS, UM, AND AS WELL AS FUTURE PLAN PROJECTS.
UM, SO WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP ALL OF THAT IN MIND AS WE WENT THROUGH THE ASSESSMENT.
AND SO WE LOOKED AT FOUR SITES INITIALLY WHEN THIS CAME TO US, WE WERE TOLD, UH, TWO 60 SN IS THE ONE THAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT.
UM, AND AS PLANNERS, WE CAN'T JUST LOOK AT ONE DOESN'T WORK BACK THAT WAY.
SO TWO 60 SN IS OUR MUNICIPAL PARKING LOT.
SO ON THE MAP, UM, THE WAY THIS WILL GO IS NUMBER ONE, WE'RE REFERRING TO THE
UM, NUMBER TWO IS 4 0 1 JORDAN.
UM, AND THAT'S THE OLD BANK PROPERTY.
AND THEN NUMBER THREE, I SAID BREWER IN 89, BUT, BUT I THINK THE CHIEF'S DESCRIPTION IS MORE ACCURATE.
THE RANGER AREA, YOU ACTUALLY CALL THAT THE RANGER COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE ALSO GOT THE EXISTING SITE, WHICH ON THE MAP IS NUMBER FOUR.
UM, OKAY, SO THE FIRST THING THAT WAS OUR QUESTION IS WHAT WOULD BE THE BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY OF BUILDING A NEW FIRE STATION? AND, UH, MOST OF THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN COVERED, BUT SOME OF THESE THINGS CAME UP WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR UPTOWN COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA PLAN.
UM, AND THAT WAS, I THINK IT WAS MAYBE ALMOST A TWO YEAR PROCESS WORKING ON THAT.
UM, AND WE DO HAVE A FINAL PLAN.
WE JUST DIDN'T TAKE IT TO THE NEXT STEP OF APPROVAL.
UM, WE STARTED UP THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THAT'S WHY THAT WENT ON HOLD.
UM, BUT AS MENTIONED, UM, THE NEEDS THAT WE FOUND THROUGH THAT PLANNING ASSESSMENT, NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC RESTROOMS. UM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IN ALL ABOVE TOWN, THERE REALLY AREN'T ANY TRULY PUBLIC RESTROOMS. AND WHERE THERE ARE RESTROOMS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, THEY'RE ALL VERY OLD, UH, UNDERSIZED, ET CETERA.
SO THAT IS A HUGE NEED IN UPTOWN.
AND SO THE THOUGHT IS IF A NEW FIRE STATION IS GOING TO BE BUILT, UM, THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOME SHARED FACILITIES.
UM, RESTROOMS BEING THE FIRST ONE.
ANOTHER, UH, CONCERN WAS VISITOR INFORMATION.
AND I, I DON'T WANNA SAY VISITOR CENTER BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT WE NECESSARILY NEED A NEW BUILDING THAT'S A WALK-IN VISITOR CENTER.
IT COULD JUST BE A LOCATION WITH PUBLIC INFORMATION.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IT COULD BE LIKE SITE OF A BUILDING IT KIOSK WITH, UM, CENTRALIZED INFORMATION IDEALLY FOR THE RESTROOM.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE TRANSIT STOP, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ON OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM.
UM, AND THEN COMMUNITY MEETING ROOMS THAT WAS ALREADY MENTIONED.
THERE'S ALSO ALWAYS BEEN A NEED FOR A POLICE DEPARTMENT SUBSTATION, AND THEY'VE BEEN BOUNCING AROUND.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS COVERED IN THE PARKING GARAGE.
SHE'S JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PLANNING AND, AND THAT AGAIN GOES TO LIKE, HOW MUCH SPACE DO THEY NEED? IS THAT ENOUGH OR WAS THAT JUST A, OH, WE CARVE OUT A CORNER HERE OR THERE.
UM, SO MANY, UH, DIFFERENT THINGS.
AGAIN, YOU COULD GO INTO WAY MORE DEPTH ON SOME OF THESE.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE STARTED LOOKING AT TWO 60 SVEY.
AND SO OUR APPROACH WAS TO LOOK AT IT AS WHAT ARE THE POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES OF LOSING PARKING, WHETHER IT'S ALL OR SOME AT THE MUNICIPAL PARKING LOT.
UM, AND SO ON EACH OF THESE QUESTIONS WE'RE, WE'RE GOING WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT IN THIS SITUATION THERE'S 143 PARKING SPACES AND THE MAJORITY WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED IF YOU'RE GOING TO FILL A STATION THERE.
UM, SO THE BIGGEST CONCERN HERE IS ALL OF THE PAST OF THE INVESTMENTS.
SO BETWEEN 2000 AND 2019, UM, YOU'VE GOT CO OF ACQUIRING PROPERTY, WHICH WAS NO SIMPLE TASK.
UM, THE DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARKING LOT.
UM, AND THEN MORE RECENTLY WE WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE A DA ACCESS PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDED THE, UM, PATH THROUGH THE WAYSIDE, UH, CHAPEL AREA AND THE ELEVATORS.
AND THAT WAS RELATIVELY PRICEY, UH, PROJECT TO DO THAT.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, O AND B WAY, THAT'S THE MOST RECENT PROJECT.
AND THE INTENT OF THAT WAS TO TAKE PEOPLE OFF OF 89 AND TAKE THEM DIRECTLY UP TO THIS PARKING LOT.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS REALLY THE INTENT OF THE ROAD,
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THE ASSUMPTION THAT THERE WOULD BE THIS PARKING LOT THERE.UM, SO THAT IS, IS KIND OF THE BIGGEST CONCERN.
THERE'S OTHER, UM, PROS AND CONS TO THIS LOCATION.
UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS GONNA BE, UM, WHAT PROPERTY WILL BE EXCHANGED? SO THAT'S A TWO-SIDED QUESTION.
IF WE WERE LOOKING AT TWO 60, BUT THIS COULD ALSO APPLY TO 4 0 1.
BUT, UM, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TRANSFERRING ALL OF IT? BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY WOULD NEED ALL OF IT TO BUILD A FIRE STATION, OR WOULD IT BE SPLIT? UM, MEANING THAT THE FIRE STATION JUST USES A PIECE OF THE PROPERTY? SO THERE'S THAT QUESTION.
AND THEN A QUICK EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU COULD REALLY GO DOWN THE ROAD ON THIS ONE IS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS IN OUR CFA PLANNING, AND IF YOU NOTICE, THERE'S STREETS ON ALL SIDES.
UM, THESE ARE ALL CITY STREETS, SOME OF WHICH, UH, MAYBE AREN'T THE BEST USE OF LAND.
AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT IS PERHAPS CLOSING, UH, REROUTING, ET CETERA.
SOME OF THESE ROADS THAT COULD EXPAND THE ACREAGE OF THIS LOCATION.
THAT'S A BIG IF, BUT THAT'S ALSO, UM, KIND OF THE WAY WE THINK OF THINGS WHEN WE LOOK AT IT.
SO THEN THE OTHER HALF OF THE QUESTION IS WHAT PROPERTY WOULD BE EXCHANGED? AND NOW WE LOOK AT THE FIRE STATION PROPERTY, WHICH TECHNICALLY IS THREE PARCELS.
UM, IF YOU WERE TO SWAP OUT LAND, YOU COULD JUST LOP OFF LIKE WAS MENTIONED, THE PARKING LOT.
UM, OR, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO A FULL TRADE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS AS YOU CAN SEE AS TO HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN LOGISTICALLY, CYNTHIA? WELL YOU'VE GOT THAT DRAWING UP CHIEF.
COULD YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT TOWER IS AND THE EASEMENTS ARE THERE? SO WE'VE GOT LEASES AND AGREEMENTS.
UM, LET ORIENT MYSELF SO QUICK.
THIS, THIS IS OUR, OUR COM BUILDING, WHICH WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO ALTER, YOU KNOW, AS WE DO THINGS.
BUT THEN THESE BUILDINGS ARE ALL OWNED BY DIFFERENT MOBILE COMMUNICATION ENTITIES.
AND, YOU KNOW, IN BRIEF DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR, OUR COM SET, OUR COM STAFF, UM, THERE'S A POTENTIAL TO CONSOLIDATE THESE AND SHRINK THAT FOOTPRINT.
AND THEN I, YOU KNOW, THIS BUILDING COULD STAY OR GO DOWN, BUT ULTIMATELY IF WE HAD A, ESSENTIALLY WE NEEDED A WIDE UP EASEMENT TO ACCESS IT FOR REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE, AND THEN, UH, FOR CRANE OPERATIONS, IF THEY NEED TO MOUNT SOMETHING ON IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS WIDE AS THAT NEEDS TO BE 25 FEET.
YEAH, ESSENTIALLY THAT, THAT'S MY, MY THOUGHT.
IF IT GOES UP RIGHT ON THE LINE, BASICALLY.
SO BASICALLY THE THE EASEMENT, THE CURRENT EASEMENT, YEAH, YOU SHRINK THIS, YOU SHRINK THIS RECTANGLE ON THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED PLUS AN ACCESS POINT.
BUT KIND OF FROM HERE OVER ALL THIS AREA COULD BE SCRUBBED AND, UH, WOULD BE, WOULD BE AVAILABLE LAND.
SORRY, CHIEF, THE BUILDING, NOT THE MAIN BUILDING, BUT THE OTHER ONE JUST TO THE NORTHWEST, WHAT'S IN THAT BUILDING? SO IT, IT ORIGINALLY WAS A JOINT CITY, COUNTY AND FIRE DISTRICT VENTURE, AND IT WAS A SUBSTATION FOR POLICE AND COUNTY.
AND THE, THE DOWNSTAIRS IS ACTUALLY REINFORCED CONCRETE AND THERE'S TWO JAIL CELLS, NONE.
WE STORE WILD AND FIREFIGHTING EQUIPMENT IN IT NOW AND MESS WITH NEW GUYS.
SO THAT COULD COME DOWN EASILY.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S COMING DOWN EASILY BECAUSE IT'S, BUT IT CAN COME DOWN.
THEY DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE ESCAPING BACK THEN.
SO THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, IF THIS WOULD HAPPEN IN, REGARDLESS IF IT'S TWO 60 STANLEY OR 4 0 1 OR ANY OTHER CITY PROPERTIES, UM, AND THIS IS NOT MY SPECIALTY, BUT, UM, WOULD THE EXCHANGE BE BASED ON FAIR MARKET VALUE? UM, WE'D OBVIOUSLY NEED TO GET AN APPRAISAL, DETERMINE WHAT THAT IS.
UM, LET'S SAY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN, IN VALUE, THEN IS ONE PARTY GONNA PAY THAT DIFFERENCE TO THE OTHER PARTY? UM, OR IT JUST BE FLAT OUT LAND SWAP SWAP REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE VALUES ARE.
UM, SO THAT'S ANOTHER BIG QUESTION THAT SITS OUT THERE ON BRIAN.
I'M STILL NOT CLEAR, I ASKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER AND THIS DOESN'T HELP FURTHER CLARIFY FIRE DISTRICT, DO YOU NEED THIS TO BE A SWAP OR I MEAN, LIKE WHAT
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HAPPENS IF THE CITY SAYS, OKAY, WE'LL LET YOU HAVE 4 0 1 JORDAN, BUT FRANKLY WE DON'T WANT YOUR EXISTING PROPERTY.I'M, I'M GLAD, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED.
SO I HAVE IN MY HEAD, AND THIS HASN'T BEEN VETTED, BUT UH, I HAVE THE THREE OPTIONS SCENARIO.
AND ONE IS YOU GUYS ARE LIKE, WE DON'T WANT THAT NIGHTMARE.
UM, IF, IF YOU CONSIDER IT THAT, UM, WE JUST WANNA SELL YOU LAND, SO THAT, THAT'S OPTION ONE.
AND THEN IT'S UP TO US TO, TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THAT PROPERTY.
SO THEN OPTION B WOULD BE WE THEN SCRAPE IT AND SELL IT TO OFFSET COSTS, OR, UM, WE DO A COPY WE'RE DOING IN THE MIDDLE OF STRATEGIC PLANNING AND WE, WE COME UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE OPPORTUNITY TO UTILIZE THAT LAND FOR DISTRICT NEED.
'CAUSE AS STATED, WE HAVEN'T ACQUIRED A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, AUXILIARY PROPERTIES TO, TO DO ANYTHING WITH.
AND SO, UM, AND AT THAT, THIS IS MY PIE IN THE SKY, YOU KNOW, 2035 VISION BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO RECONSTRUCT TWO STATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR A WHILE, BY THE TIME THOSE GET DONE, STATION ONE HERE WILL BE APPROACHING 50 YEARS AND WE'LL ASSUMABLY NEED SOME REMODEL.
AND, UH, AND THEN STATION THREE WILL BE APPROACHING 40 YEARS OLD IN THE VILLAGE.
SO, UM, WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS, I DON'T KNOW.
AND MAYBE THAT PROPERTY WOULD ADD VALUE OR THE CITY'S LIKE, WE WANT IT, WE WANT TO PUT IN WHATEVER IT IS ACROSS FROM THE PARKING GARAGE.
AND, AND I'VE HAD A COUPLE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS EXPRESS, WOW, I'D LIKE THAT PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S WHERE I GOT THAT IDEA OF WE, WE HELD IT AND SOLD IT TO OFFSET WHATEVER WE HAD TO PAY.
I DON'T, BUT I DON'T, I THINK ANY OPTIONS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, YOU KNOW, I COULD JUST, I HEAR IN THE SUB, SO BELOW YOUR QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE FUNDS AVAILABLE IF INDEED, UH, IT WAS JUST A MATTER THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT, UM, OUR, OUR BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY, THE STATION BOARD ON AND YOU, AND WE WANTED TO BUY, UH, ONE OF THESE PROPERTIES FROM YOU? AND, UH, THE ANSWER IS WITH A REASONABLE PRICE, THE MONEY IS THERE.
BECAUSE THE QUESTIONS ARE ALL FROM THE SPIRIT OF WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO COOPERATE YEAH.
BUT NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S CONSTRAINTS THAT YOU JUST CAN'T GET OVER.
AND WE'RE JUST VERY SENSITIVE TO HOW EXPENSIVE EVERYTHING IS.
WELL, YOU HAVE A ROBUST, THE CITY HAS A ROBUST PLAN FOR A LOT OF THINGS RIGHT NOW, AND I, I, WHEN I WAS PREPARING FOR THIS, I APPRECIATED THE, I, I EXPECTED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, WOW, THE CITY IS, WANTS TO COLLABORATE AND, AND WORK WITH US, BUT THEY MAY NOT WANT ANOTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
SO IT MIGHT JUST BE A, OKAY, DO YOU NEED VOTER APPROVAL TO SELL YOUR ASSETS? LIKE IF, IF YOU WERE GONNA SELL A PROPERTY, IF IT'S VALUED OVER SOMETHING, DO YOU NEED TO GO TO, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE JUST GOTTA FOLLOW, YOU KNOW, GOVERNING ACCOUNTING PRACTICE PROBABLY GOES FROM ONE JURISDICTION TO ANOTHER.
IF IT GOES PUBLIC, THAT'S A $10 MILLION LIMIT CURRENTLY FOR US.
BUT FOR THE FIRE DISTRICT TOO, I DON'T KNOW THE FIRE, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A LIMITATION THAT'S THE CITY.
THERE'S TOO MUCH US OR VICE VERSA.
AND I WOULD, I WOULD, THAT'S A QUESTION I'D CONFER WITH THE COUNTY ON, BECAUSE AS A SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICT, WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BEHOLDEN TO THE COUNTY.
SO I'D DOUBLE CHECK THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS.
BUT, UH, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH 10 MILLION.
OH,
OH, YOU'D BE SURPRISED WHAT APPRAISERS COME WITH.
SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION.
UM, AND THIS ACTUALLY CAN BE SAID FOR JORDAN ROAD TOO.
UM, SO WHAT IF FOREST ROAD IS THE MOST ADVANTAGEOUS LOCATION? UM, THIS IS WHERE IT COULD BE EITHER FOREST OR JORDAN.
UM, WHEN WE WERE DOING THE CFA PLANNING, THE THING THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS THAT UPTOWN IS TENDING TOWARDS KIND OF GETTING OLD AND TIRED LOOKING
AND SO WE SEE OPPORTUNITIES TO REVITALIZE AND REDEVELOP, UM, A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.
THIS COULD BE ONE OF THOSE, BUT THE TWO, UH, MAJOR STREETS THAT STOOD OUT WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR PLANNING IS FOREST ROAD AND JORDAN ROAD.
UM, BOTH OF 'EM HAVE A LOT OF POTENTIAL TO BE REVITALIZED.
UM, THEY'RE NOT THE MOST EXCITING PLACES TO WALK DOWN THE STREET, UM, IF YOU'RE A TOURIST OR EVEN A RESIDENT.
UM, SO THE ILLUSTRATIONS ON THE RIGHT, WE HAD THOSE DONE WHEN WE WERE DOING THE PLANNING.
AND THE ONE ON THE TOP IS ACTUALLY OF, UH, JORDAN ROAD.
IF YOU WERE TO REVITALIZE, REALLY LOOKING AT THE, WHEN YOU LEAVE THE ROUNDABOUT AND YOU HAVE THE
SO WE HAD THESE ILLUSTRATIONS MADE UP SAYING, WELL, WHAT IF, YOU KNOW, THE CITY TOOK BACK THAT CITY RIGHT OF WAY, AND WE TURNED THIS INTO MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN PLAZA OUTDOOR AREA.
NOT ONLY WOULD YOU BEAUTIFY THE AREA, BUT YOU WOULD ALSO REVITALIZE IT.
AND SO WE HAVE THE ILLUSTRATIONS
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MADE JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE A TASTE OF WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.UM, AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER ONE DONE FOR THE CORNER, UM, WHICH IS WHERE THE CHEERS IS.
THERE'S ALREADY A LITTLE PLAZA THAT'S HIDING IN THE BACK.
AND SO WE HAVE THAT ILLUSTRATION DONE JUST TO SHOW WHAT IF YOU OPENED IT UP, REDESIGNED IT, AND VOILA, YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFY AND ENHANCE THAT AREA.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE A GATEWAY OF FOREST ROAD.
UM, BUT THE CHALLENGES WITH FOREST ROAD IS THAT YOU'VE GOT PARKING LOT, PARKING LOT ON YOUR LEFT, THEN YOU HAVE FIRE STATION AND PARKING LOT.
UM, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT THERE'S THE, THERE'S PRIVATE AND THEN THERE'S THE CHURCH CENTURY LINK, AND THEN THE NEW GARAGE GOING IN.
UM, SO THE MOST POTENTIAL FOR REDEVELOPING FOREST ROAD, IF YOU WANNA REVITALIZE AND REDEVELOP, IT'S GONNA BE A FIRE STATION PROPERTY.
UM, SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THEN IS WHY NOT? AND I KNOW THAT THIS WAS ALREADY TOUCHED ON, UM, WHAT ABOUT PARTNERING WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES? AND THIS WOULD BE TAKING A DIFFERENT APPROACH AND MAYBE TRYING TO THINK OF INCENTIVES, UM, AND PRESENTING IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN IT'S BEEN PRESENTED IN THE PAST.
UM, AND I DON'T REALLY NEED TO GO INTO WHY, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'D BE BETTER IF YOU CAN CONSOLIDATE THE FOREST ROAD PROPERTIES BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, THESE, IT, IT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO DRIVE THROUGHS.
THIS LITTLE ARM WHERE IT'S SAYS 4 31, IT'S KIND OF USELESS TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING STATION.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS RECTANGLE, UM, THERE'S TWO PROPERTIES ON THE BOTTOM LEFT AND IT'S PROBABLY EASIER IF I GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
YEAH, SO YOU'VE GOT 4 61 AND 4 41.
THESE ARE BOTH PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTIES.
THEY'RE BOTH COMMERCIALLY ZONED.
UM, THEY, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THEY BOTH HAVE COMMERCIAL, UM, USES RIGHT NOW.
UM, I THINK THEY'RE CHALLENGED BECAUSE OF THEIR LOCATION.
THERE'S, UM, NO PUBLIC VIEW FROM A ROADWAY.
UH, THEY DON'T HAVE DIRECT ACCESS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DIDN'T GO INTO, BUT I HAVE NO IDEA, IS DO THEY HAVE AN EASEMENT THROUGH FIRE DEPARTMENT PROPERTY TO ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY? THEY DO.
SO THAT WOULD, ONE OF THE ISSUES THERE IS, AND THAT EATS UP A LITTLE BIT OF THE, UH, 4 31 PROPERTY, BECAUSE YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE ASSETS TO THOSE.
SO THAT LIMITS YOUR BILLABLE ACREAGE.
UM, SO IF YOU WERE TO MAYBE APPROACH IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY, AND OF COURSE THIS, THIS WILL BE VOLUNTARY ON THE, THE PRIVATE LANDOWNER SIDE, BUT YOU SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND YOU SAY, LOOK, YOU'RE, YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WOULDN'T IT BE FAR MORE, UH, VALUABLE, BENEFICIAL TO YOU IF YOU HAD FRONTAGE ON FOREST ROAD? AND THEN KIND OF START THE CONVERSATION FROM THERE? IS IT THE SAME OWNER? TWO DIFFERENT, IF I MAY.
UM, I'VE, I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF THE OWNERS AND THEY EXPRESSED INTEREST IN, HEY, WHAT IF, UM, HOWEVER, IT WOULD STILL LEAVE A PIECE IN THE MIDDLE THAT WAS UNATTAINABLE.
SO THE, THE FAR THE 4 6 1 HAD HAD APPROACHED ME AND EXPRESSED INTEREST IN LOOKING AT, HEY, I'D LOVE TO HAVE FRONTAGE AGAINST THE PARKING GARAGE.
AND YOU, YOU KNOW, THE BACK, BUT SO YOU CAN'T ACCESS IT.
WHERE THAT, THAT, UH, THE, THE, THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER OF 4 61, UH, THAT'S ANOTHER RETAINING WALL.
AND THEN SO IT, IT'S INACCESSIBLE THERE, SO YOU STILL HAVE TO COME IN FROM FOREST ROAD TO ACCESS IT.
SO THERE, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES THERE, BUT THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER AT THIS TIME IS INDICATED HE'S NOT INTERESTED IN SELLING.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WE KNOW THAT PROPERTY HONOR
UM, WE DIDN'T FINISH THAT, BUT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH OUR OTHER AREA PLANS WHERE WE BUILD IN, UM, DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES, UH, FLEXIBLE STANDARDS, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO IT, IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE TO CHANGE THE CONVERSATION TO PROVIDE INCENTIVES.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE WITH PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS PERHAPS.
SO THAT'S JUST THOSE, THESE ARE ALL JUST THOUGHTS, SPECULATION IDEAS TO PLANT IN YOUR HEAD.
UM, ANY, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE OTHER PROPERTY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? SO YOU'RE SAYING LIKE IF 4 61 AND 4 41 WERE COOPERATIVE, RECONFIGURE THE SITE AND FIRE STATION WOULD STAY THERE, NEW BUILDING, NEW ORIENTATION AND ALL THAT, AND THEN WE, THEN IT THEN A 4 0 1 JORDAN ENVIRONMENT BEGINS
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TO MANIFEST.IF, IF THAT WHOLE RECTANGLE WAS ACCESSIBLE TO THE FIRE DISTRICT, THEN IT, THEN IT AFFORDS US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE DRIVE THROUGH ALL THE THINGS FOR MODERN FIRE STATION CONSTRUCTION.
AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE TWO COMMERCIAL OWNERS TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE 4 31 PROPERTY.
TO BE FRONTING FOREST ROAD IS, IS IS THE ASSUMED BENEFIT THAT THEY WOULD BE LOOKING? YEAH, AND WE'D STILL HAVE TO HAVE, SO THE, THE FAR LEFT ACCESS TO 4 61 WOULD, IN MY MIND, WOULD BE A, AN ENTRY DRIVE TO THE BACK OF THE STATION.
SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE CREATIVE.
IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE AMAZING.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD PREFER THAT OPTION.
UM, I, I, THAT WAS MY WORKING PLAN FOR A LONG TIME AND IT HAS BEEN OUR DISTRICT'S WORKING PLAN FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, AS STATED, YOU KNOW, LIKE TIME, TIME PASSES SO FAST.
I, I, IN MY BRAIN IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO, BUT IT WAS MUCH FARTHER BACK THAN THAT.
THAT THAT WAS OUR WORKING OPTION AND THEN IT, IT, IT FLAMED OUT.
BUT, AND IT'D BE NEAT TO, IT'D BE NEAT TO KIND OF REBUILD IN THE SAME SPOT.
IT'S JUST TO GET THOSE PRIVATE PROPERTIES OR THAT THAT'S THE, THE VARIABLE THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.
YEAH, I WAS LIKE, WHO'S TALKING, UH, IF THAT WERE THE CASE, UM, ARE, ARE YOU RUNNING OPERATIONS OUT OF THIS STATION RIGHT NOW? WE ARE.
AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN, IN THAT CASE, IF YOU WERE TO REBUILD ON THE, SO THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE, I DEFER TO THE ARCHITECT BECAUSE JUST LOOKING AT IT, I THINK THERE'S A POTENTIAL TO, TO BUILD AS WE, AS WE'RE OCCUPYING.
BUT I'D HAVE TO HAVE THAT VALIDATED BY A, AN ARCHITECT.
WELL, I, I WANNA ADDRESS THAT.
SO, SO I WENT TO A COUPLE CLASSES AT THE DESIGN CONFERENCE ON TEMPORARY HOUSING WHILE CONSTRUCTING, AND, UM, IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT IN, IN THE OIL FIELDS AND IN IN, IN INDUSTRY IN MY, THE MINING INDUSTRY, THEY HAVE SINGLE OR DOUBLE AND TRIPLE WIDES THAT ARE BUNKHOUSES.
AND ESSENTIALLY WE'D ACQUIRE ONE OF THOSE.
WE'D HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE THE UTILITIES PLUMB TO IT AND THEN WE'D HAVE A, A TENT STRUCTURE FOR THE FIRE TRUCKS.
AND, UH, IN OUR LAST TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY DO SOME ESTIMATES, THE COST OF US TO TEMPORARILY, TEMPORARILY HOUSE, WHY BUILDING WAS ABOUT 700,000.
AND THAT WAS JUST FOR TEMP HOUSING, NOT JUST TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
SO THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD BUILD ON SITE WHILE OCCUPYING IT, IT'S IDEAL AND WE JUST, IT'S ANOTHER CLOSE TO THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS TO A TEMP HOUSE.
SO, AND WE CAN GET CREATIVE AND FIND A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND DO ALL KINDS OF OTHER STUFF.
BUT TO, TO DO IT THE TRADITIONAL WAY THEY DO IT WHERE THEY TENT THE APPARATUS AND PUT A, THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT.
BEFORE I LEAVE THIS SLIDE, I DID FORGET TO MENTION THE OTHER POTENTIAL PLAYERS, THE HYATT.
AND WHAT COMES TO MIND IS THAT LITTLE PARKING LOT THAT THEY HAVE OFF TO THE SIDE OF THE FIRE STATION, UM, APPARENTLY THEY'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH MANAGING THAT.
SO AGAIN, THIS COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM.
SO JUST TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE ARE OTHER POTENTIAL PLAYERS IN THAT SCENARIO, BUT THAT'S BUS PARKING THERE LIKE THAT, THAT'S VERY PURPOSE.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA BE GATING THAT, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S THE ROOM.
SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT'S IN PLAY.
WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO G IT AT AND DO, UH, TO USE IT.
AND THERE'S ABOUT, FROM THE, FROM THE EDGE OF THE FIRE STATION AT 3 9 1, IT'S ABOUT A 1212 FOOT ELEVATION CHANGE.
SO THERE'D BE OKAY, BUT THEN IT, IT'S THOSE PROPERTIES STEP EACH OTHER.
YOU KNOW, HYATT STEPS UP TO THE STATION AND STEPS UP TO SAL'S PROPERTY AND STEPS UP AGAIN.
SO, BUT THEN THE ROAD ELEVATION IS CONSISTENT.
SO IT, AGAIN, THAT I'D HAVE TO TALK TO AN ENGINEER 'CAUSE I CAN'T EVEN ENVISION HOW YOU WOULD CUT THAT ALL UP TO MAKE IT MM-HMM.
I'M SURE THERE'S A WAY, BUT, AND IT WOULD JUST ADD TO THE MIX AS FAR AS POTENTIAL TRAINING.
SO IT COULD BE THAT MAYBE ONE OF THOSE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES YOU FLIP FLOPPED THE HYATT WITH THEIRS, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT YOU WOULD BUILD THE STATION PARCEL.
IT WOULD JUST BRING THEM INTO THE MIX
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OF WHAT WOULD BENEFIT EACH OF THESE ENTITIES.BECAUSE THE HYATT PIECE RIGHT HERE IS SORT OF ISOLATED FROM THE REST OF THEIR PROPERTIES AND IT DOESN'T IMPACT INGRESS EGRESS TO THEIR PROPERTIES OR ANYTHING REALLY.
'CAUSE RIGHT BELOW THAT'S THEIR DRIVEWAY.
IT'S UH, HARLEY DAVIDSON RENTAL AND THEN HE'S GOT A UH, BURRITO TRUCK
SO SHIFTING GEARS, UM, IS THE RANGER AREA.
AND SO THIS MAP IS SHOWING WHAT THE CITY HAS NOW ACQUIRED.
UM, THE MORE RECENT ACQUISITION WAS THE HILLSIDE UTILITY LINE CORRIDOR.
UM, SO AS WAS ALLUDED TO HERE, WE HAVE STUFF IN THE DESIGN PHASES, MEANING THE ROADWAY, THE POTENTIAL TRANSIT HUB.
SO BRINGING IN THE IDEA OF A FIRE STATION, YOU WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT REDESIGNING THINGS LIKE THE TRANSIT HUB.
BUT WE'RE ALSO ADDING PROPERTY.
SO UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS RESIDENTIAL PARCEL, POSSIBLY ACQUIRING AT LEAST PART OF IT.
'CAUSE YOU CAN SEE IT KIND OF BREAKS UP THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO THAT COULD ALSO HAVE CHANGED THINGS.
UM, IT DIDN'T GO INTO ANY REAL DEPTH ON EVALUATING THIS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT HAS A LOT OF UNKNOWNS AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT THERE IS STILL POTENTIAL.
UM, ALSO THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAD ON OUR LIST IS POTENTIAL, BUT TOTALLY PRELIMINARY IS THE, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY WHERE WE HAVE THE COURT AND CITY OFFICES.
IT'S ACTUALLY A RELATIVELY GOOD SIZED PARCEL THAT GOES BACK BEHIND THE BUILDING.
THERE COULD BE OPPORTUNITIES THERE AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT ONE WAS KIND OF BROUGHT UP RELATIVELY LAST MINUTE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE AN IN DEPTH ANALYSIS, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT COULDN'T BE EXPLORED MORE.
CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE THAT IS? THE PROPERTIES? YEAH.
UM, SO STARTING OUT AT THE TOP OF THE ARROW PHOTO, AND THIS IS WHERE ANDY WANTED TO JUMP IN ON THE TRANSPORTATION, YOU'VE GOT YOUR NEW FOREST ROAD EXTENSION THAT WOULD COME IN AND YOU CAN SEE THE CONSTRUCTION AREA.
AND THIS IS NOT AT ALL AN EXACT LINE, JUST, JUST IMAGINE WE HAVE NEW ROUNDABOUT THERE AND THERE'D BE A NEW ROUNDABOUT AT THE RANGER BREWER INTERSECTION.
UM, AND THEN SOMEWHERE IN THAT MIX IS A PROPOSED TRANSIT HUB PARKING, LIKE THE BUS EXCHANGE BASICALLY.
UM, THAT THEY HAVE A DESIGN FOR.
UM, BUT I REALLY, I JUST SHOWED YOU WHERE THE BIG LOT IS BEHIND THE SCHOOL RULE.
THE GREEN LAWN AT THE VERY BOTTOM.
THERE'S A GREEN LAWN AND THEN IT GOES BACK UP INTO THE DRAW.
IS THAT STILL SCHOOL PROPERTY OR IT'S STILL BOARD OF ED PROPERTY TODAY.
BUT FOR HOW LONG? BECAUSE WE HAVE A TWO MORE YEARS.
PROBABLY TWO MORE, TWO AND A HALF, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, IT'S A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO SINCE WE YEAH, THAT'S WHY ITS TWO YEARS.
WE HAVE TO GO CYNTHIA, YOU SAID ON THAT ACTUALLY IT WAS SEVEN YEARS AT THE
I CAN'T HEAR CYNTHIA 'CAUSE I KEEP ASKING HER AND YOU KEEP TALKING.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATE, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT WAS ONLY A FEW YEARS OUT.
SO, BUT YOU KNOW, TAKES A FEW YEARS TO GET THESE THINGS PLANNED AND DESIGNED SO IT COULD WORK OUT.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE THE RANGER STATION PARK PROPERTY, UM, WHICH COMES TO A TRIANGLE.
AND NOW THAT WE'VE ACQUIRED ACROSS THE STREET, UM, THERE'S POTENTIAL THERE KIND OF REALIGNING ROADS AND THAT AGAIN WOULD BE MORE OF A PUBLIC WORKS QUESTION.
JUST GOING BACK TO THE FORM, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY.
BUT WE HAVE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL AND I MEAN WE ARE IN MOTION TO PURCHASE.
THAT WILL BE FULLY EXECUTED AS I UNDERSTAND IT NOW.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NOT A LOOSE IN THERE.
SO I THINK IT IS THE EARLIEST OPPORTUNITY WE'LL HAVE TO BUY.
I THINK IT'S A LITTLE FURTHER OUT.
I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE THAT WAS THE EARLIEST THE SCHOOL DISTRICT COULD SELL IT.
'CAUSE IF THEY HAD BOUGHT IT FROM THE FORCE.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
BUT AS CYNTHIA WAS SAYING, EXCUSE ME, WE NEED A WHOLE LOT MORE INFORMATION, A WHOLE LOT MORE PLANNING OF THAT AREA TO HAVE REALLY GOOD IDEAS OF WHERE, UH, IF THIS WERE A VIABLE LOCATION WHERE A FIRE STATION COULD GO.
WELL THESE SITES ARE HAVE VARIABLE TOPOGRAPHY,
AND SOME OF THEM ARE PRETTY FLAT AND SOME OF THEM, LIKE ALL
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OF THE STUFF ALONG HERE IS PRETTY UNKNOWN.SO FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW, WHAT LEVEL OF DIFFERENCE IS THAT GONNA MAKE IN YOUR DETERMINING WHICH OF THE SITES IS PREFERABLE TO EITHER AT, AT, AT THIS POINT? I MEAN, PIE IN THE SKY IN THE OLD FOREST SERVICE STATION, THAT'D BE A GREAT SPOT.
BUT I KNOW THERE'S GRAND PLANS FOR THAT.
IT, IT'D BE A GREAT SPOT AS WELL.
THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANNA DISCOUNT ANY OPPORTUNITY, BUT AS STATED, IT'S, IT'S SUBSTANTIAL LIFT TO GET IT PREPPED FOR ANY SORT OF STRUCTURE.
I THINK WE'VE COVERED WHY EACH OF THOSE HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR US.
AND, UM, AND, AND I'M TRYING TO TEMPER MY OPINION WITH THE FACT THAT, UM, LIKE WE'RE WE'RE LAUNCH READY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ON THE PAD.
AND SO WHAT IF, EVEN IF IT WAS LIKE TODAY YOU CAN HAVE FIVE ACRES RIGHT HERE FOR A BARGAIN PRICE.
WE JUST HEARD POTENTIALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT 2030 BEFORE WE'RE STARTING.
AND I, I THINK THAT THAT, THAT, I KNOW THAT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH, WITH OUR, OUR HOPES FOR GETTING SOME OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE APPROVED.
THAT, THAT FOOT THE FOOTBALL FIELD BEHIND THE, THE MUNICIPAL COURT.
I, I WALKED THAT SPOT TOO AND THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES THERE AS WELL.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ALL WE WOULD BE DOING IS TRYING TO HELP NEGOTIATE PURCHASE OF THOSE LOTS AND WE DON'T OWN THOSE THOUGHTS.
SO WHAT ARE YOU GUYS THINKING? YOU'RE THINKING THAT THE CITY'S GONNA BUY THE LOT AND THEN WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING WITH THE FIRE.
ARE YOU THINKING WE'RE JUST GONNA TRY AND WE WOULD TRY AND NEGOTIATE.
SO INITIALLY THE THOUGHT UP THAT MAP IS YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO ACQUIRE, OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED TO GET SOME APPRAISALS DONE, BUT IF IT'S BENEFICIAL TO THEM TO TRADE, SO YOU WOULD TRY TO NEGOTIATE THE TRADE.
SO I ALWAYS LIKE TO LOOK AT THINGS MORE LIKE A BLANK SLATE.
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO A BLANK SLATE, THEN I WOULD INCLUDE THAT HYATT ONE.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S MENTIONED IN THE REPORT, BUT NOT ON A PRESENTATION, IS, UM, YOU COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND THAT GETS PROBABLY MORE INTO THE TECHNICAL STUFF THAT YOU GUYS MAY NOT CARE ABOUT.
BUT, UM,
IF THIS WAS A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, THAT'S TYPICALLY THE WAY THEY WOULD GO.
UM, AND YOU WOULD SIGN ON ALL PARTNERS, UM, AND COME UP WITH A MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND THE PIECES IT OUT IN LOGICAL WAYS THAT WOULD BENEFIT EACH OF THE PARTNERS.
SO WHEN YOU DO THIS, NOW I'M GONNA REPEAT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
THE IDEA WOULD BE TO TAKE THE LAND THAT YOU'VE BASICALLY OUTLINED IN YELLOW, UM, AND TRY AND GET EVERYONE TO SIGN UP TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO REVITALIZE THIS AREA, WE'RE GONNA REDEVELOP THIS AREA.
AND AS PART OF THAT REDEVELOPMENT, CONSIDER THAT THERE'S NO BUILDINGS THERE RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN YOU WOULD TRY TO MOVE THE BUSINESSES, THE BURRITO TRUCK AND UH, HARLEY.
I THINK I CAN, I THINK I CAN EXPLAIN IT.
ARE THEY NORTH? BUT WHO'S, WHO'S THERE RIGHT NOW? WHAT PROPERTY? SO TAKE, TAKE THIS RECTANGLE, RIGHT? YEP.
AND, AND, AND I, I LIKE, BECAUSE I THINK THE WAY, THE SAME WAY YOU DO IN A LOT OF WAYS, THE ABSOLUTE IS THIS RECTANGLE IS IS A NON-STARTER.
THIS IS CRITICAL COMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE CAN'T NEGOTIATE PLUS A LITTLE SLOWER FOR ACCESS.
SO IF THE REST OF THIS IS UP FOR GRABS, UM, THESE, THESE ARE TOOLS THAT THIS IS WHERE THE POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR THE CITY TO ASSIST US.
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS AS A FIRE DISTRICT TO DO ALL THE THINGS YOU SAID IN THE REZONING AND, AND PAD PLANETARY DEVELOPMENT AND ALL THAT.
SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS HIRE REPRESENTATIVE SAL AND, AND THESE FOLKS, HEY, THIS IS AN IDEA WE HAVE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND THEN, AND THEN THEY SAY, YEAH OR NO.
AND, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL THAT THAT APPROACH AS WELL.
IT IS, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE ENJOYABLE.
'CAUSE SOME OF THE PLAYERS, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A COLORFUL PROCESS.
SO IS THE HARLEY RENTAL AND RADIO SHOP ON 4 41? YES.
THAT'S, THAT'S SAL'S PROPERTY.
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I THOUGHT IT WAS FURTHER.YEAH, THAT'S LOOK LIKE, AND THEN TO ANSWER THE OTHER PART OF YOUR QUESTION, UM, THE CITY'S INVOLVEMENT, UM, WELL WHAT, I GUESS WHAT ARE THE CITY'S NEEDS? SO IF WE GO BACK TO THAT LIST OF THINGS LIKE PUBLIC RESTROOMS AND MAYBE VISITOR INFORMATION, UM, THERE COULD BE SOME DIRECT INVOLVEMENT THERE.
OR IT COULD JUST SIMPLY BE TO FACILITATE SOMETHING THAT WOULD REVITALIZE THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO IN OTHER CITIES, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT A MUNICIPALITY WOULD BE ACTIVE IN.
UM, SO THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THE CITY COULD BE INVOLVED.
THEY COULD BE MORE HANDS OFF, THEY COULD FACILITATE, THEY WOULD BE ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN, IN HAVING A STAKE IN SOME OF THE PROPERTY.
WELL IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT THE, THAT THE CITY WOULD WANT TO BE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO REVITALIZATION.
IF YOU WANTED TO PUT IN AN AREA THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN THE FIRE STATION FOR LIKE PUBLIC RESTROOMS AND INFORMATION HUB OF SOME KIND OR A POLICE SUBSTATION, YOU'RE GONNA WANNA BE INVOLVED IN THAT DESIGN.
PLUS YOU, YOU SOUNDED A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU WERE SHOWING ME ALL YOUR LITTLE IMAGES RIGHT UP THERE.
YOU ALSO HAVE A VISION ON HOW YOU SORT OF WOULD LIKE FOR ALL THAT TO LAY OUT AND LOOK WHEN IT'S DONE.
UM, AS FAR AS WALKING SPACE AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF THROUGH THERE.
SINCE IT, THEY ARE ALL, I MEAN THERE'S TWO PRIVATE PLACES OR THEY'D LOVE THAT TO HAVE MORE FLOW OF TRAFFIC, PUT TRAFFIC.
UM, IT'S A PUBLIC FIREHOUSE AND ANYTHING THAT THE CITY PUTS THERE IS ALSO PUBLIC FACILITY.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDER UNDERSTOOD WHAT, WHAT WAS GOING ON HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT LAND, RIGHT? NONE OF THAT IS CITY LAND.
THERE'S NO CITY SWAPPING HERE WITH LAND.
OUR ENGAGEMENT IS TO TRY AND HELP ENCOURAGE THIS WHOLE AREA SORT OF REVITALIZING WHETHER THE HYATT GOES INTO PLAY OR NOT.
WHICH THERE'S SOME SKEPTICS IN THE, AND THE CITY DOES HAVE A STATE IN THE SENSE THAT WE ARE BUILDING A PARKING CAR GARAGE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
WE HAVE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION, UM, WITH PLANS OF IMPROVING ALL OF FOREST ROAD.
SO IT COULD BE THAT THIS IS A PUZZLE PIECE IN THAT BIGGER PICTURE.
UM, AND THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE MORE OF AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING A PRIVATE DEVELOPER WOULD DO, WHICH YOU COULD BRING IN A PRIVATE DEVELOPER AND HAVE THEM KIND OF RUN THE SHOW AS IF THIS WAS ONE OF THEIR PROJECTS.
THIS IS MORE OF ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT THEY WOULD DO SINCE WE HAVE LIMITED, YOU KNOW, STAFF DEVELOPMENT CAPABILITIES.
I'M CURIOUS ABOUT SOMETHING, AND I'M HERE, I MAY BE MISUNDERSTANDING SOMETHING, BUT, UM, THE FOLKS WHO OWN 4 61 AND 4 41, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE ACT TO TAKE BASICALLY PURCHASE, TAKE OVER WHATEVER THE TERM YOU WANT TO USE TO TAKE OVER THEIR PROPERTIES IN ORDER TO HAVE SPACE TO DO WHAT THE FIRE DISTRICT NEEDS.
AM I NOT? NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT.
BUT, AND IT, THE HYATT PIECE KIND OF CHANGES MY, THE OPTICS FOR ME BECAUSE OF, AND JUST, I'LL JUST USE NUMBERS.
SO IF WE WERE TO RIGHT NOW, AND WHAT I'M ENVISIONING, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT A STATION DESIGNER.
WHAT I'M ENVISIONING IS YOU HAVE A, A SINGLE VEHICLE ENTRY DRIVE THAT WOULD COME TO THE STATION AND DRIVE THROUGH AND OUT.
AND I'M JUST GONNA PUT IT HERE FOR THE SAKE OF THE CONVERSATION.
'CAUSE ELEVATION TO HERE, TO HERE IS, IS PRETTY DECENT.
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD AFFORD US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD THE NEW STATION, SORRY, THE NEW STATION WHILE OCCUPYING OLD.
AND THEN SAY AS PART OF THE PAD, WE, AND WE SECURE IT, WE TELL 4, 4 0 1 WELL YOU'RE GONNA GET THIS AND AND THEN WE TELL THEM WE'RE GONNA GET THIS.
YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GONNA STOMP THE LEGAL STUFF ON YOU.
SO THE CITY JUST ENTERED INTO A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH HYATT AS PART OF THE FOREST ROAD CONDEMNATION PROJECT.
AND THE, THOSE PARKING, THE BIG ONES ARE SUPPOSED TO REMAIN OPEN FOR BUS PARKING.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT COULD BE USED NECESSARY FOR A TEMPORARY BASIS IF THAT'S ALL THEY GONNA UNDERSTOOD.
OR COULD THEY NOT BE MOVED TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION? THOSE BUS PARKING ARE NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, IT, IT IS HIGH ON PROPERTY AND THEY'RE REQUIRED AS PART OF ARGUMENT AND TO OWN IT AND MAINTAIN IT FOREVER AS, AS TOUR BUS PARKING, DISREGARD EVERYTHING I JUST SAID.
SO I MEAN, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE SAME THING WOULDN'T WORK AT, YOU COULD STAGE THE, UM, TEMPORARILY HAVE 4 0 1 JORDAN HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THERE WHILE THIS IS BEING REMODELED.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO, UM, BRING UP HAVING, HAVING BEEN ON THE FIRE BOARD DURING THE TIME WE KEEP, WE KEEP THE CHATTER DOWN.
WE CAN'T HEAR DOWN THE OTHER END.
COREY, DO YOU WANT TO JUST CONTINUE? THANK YOU.
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UM, SO HAVING BEEN ON THE FIRE BOARD YEARS AGO WHEN 1 4 41 WAS, UH, BEING VISITED, YOU KNOW, THAT PER THE OWNER WAS VERY STRONG IN RESISTING ANY KIND OF DEAL.SO MY CONCERN IN EXPLORING ALL OF THIS IS, IS IS THERE ANY CHANGE, UH, IN, IN HIS OUTLOOK ON GIVING UP HIS PROPERTY? UH, SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE HAD AT ONE TIME, UM, WE WERE CONSIDERING BUYING 4 61 AND IT WAS UP, UH, FOR, IT WAS ON THE MARKET, BUT, UH, SOMEHOW THAT DIDN'T GET SUPPORTED.
UM, BUT WHAT IF WE HAD 4 61 AND DIDN'T HAVE 4 41? WOULD THERE STILL BE AN ABILITY TO DO A STATION? NOT REALLY.
IT JUST, NO, JUST WITH THE, WE, WE'D ESSENTIALLY BUILD THE SAME THING WE HAVE NOW, BUT IN A DIFFERENT SPOT.
YOU WOULD LOSE ALL THE, THE AND AND TO, TO TAG ONTO YOU THAT THE SENTIMENT FROM 4 4 1 IS IS STILL THE SAME AS IT WAS.
SO MY CONCERN IN EXPLORING THIS AND SPENDING TIME ON IT IS I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW FEASIBLE.
I JUST THOUGHT I HAD HEARD CYNTHIA SAY THAT THE CITY HAS POTENTIALLY A DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OWNER OF 4 4 1.
AND SO THERE WAS POTENTIAL FOR US TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION, NOT NECESSARILY SUCCEED IN THE CONVERSATION, BUT TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THERE HAS TO BE AGREEMENT THAT THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO PUT OUR RESOURCES.
'CAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S NO LAND SWAP WITH THE CITY IN THIS DESIGN.
SO WHO? 4 41? MY FATHER WHO? 4 61.
IT'S LISTED AS TY ON THE, ON THE REGISTRY.
BUT, UM, I, I LOST A GENTLEMAN'S NAME.
WHAT'S ON THAT PROPERTY? IT'S A HOUSE.
I THINK IT'S A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
CHIEF, BEFORE WE CONTINUE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE TICKY ADDRESS THE GROUP WITH THE IDEA THAT HE HAS.
WELL I'M NOT SURE IF THE, THE FIRE DISTRICT CAN FOR SURE OR NOT, BUT I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONDEMN THOSE PROPERTIES IF YOU NEEDED TO IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS DEVELOPMENT WORK.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN THAT STORY.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE, WE, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THE CITY COULD, THE SPECIAL, THE CITY, THE CITY CAN, THE CITY CAN, UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT FIRE DISTRICTS IN PARTICULAR, BUT GENERALLY LIKE ANY UH, SPECIAL DISTRICT, TAXING DISTRICT, ANYTHING THAT CAN, DOES HAVE THE POWER COMBINATION.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL LOOK INTO.
I MEAN, THEY'RE IN GOOD WORKING ORDER.
WE HAVE EXPERIENCED IT HASN'T.
SO IF WE WERE GONNA WORK WITH YOU DEVELOP, THAT MIGHT BE SOME EXPERIENCE.
OH, I DON'T WANNA PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.
AND YOU'LL BE AMAZED AT HOW VALUABLE THAT LAND IS THEN.
AND I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE TOO, BECAUSE A FEW TIMES PEOPLE SAID TAKING THEIR LAND, THIS WOULD BE WORKING WITH THEM TO RELOCATE THEIR PROPERTY TO A MORE ADVANTAGEOUS COMMERCIAL ZONING PARCEL.
MORE ADVANTAGE FOR THEM BECAUSE WE NEVER OFFERED THEM ANYTHING THAT WAS ADVANTAGEOUS INCENTIVES BEYOND, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY FOR US TO, SO, SO OPTION Q, WHEREVER WE'RE AT NOW, UM, WE, IF IF THERE, IF YOU PUSHED FOR SAKE OF CONVERSATION, IF YOU PUSHED 4 61, 4, 4 1 TO THE STREET FRONTAGE AND AFFORDED US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH THAT WOULD ACCOMPLISH OUR NEEDS, WE WOULD STILL TEMP HOUSE OUR FOLKS DURING CONSTRUCTION AND BUILD THE STATION WHERE IT IS NOW.
UM, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO COMPRESS THE SIZE OF 4 4 1 OR 4 6 1.
BUT IS THAT COMPRESSION, DOES THAT COMPRESSION STILL INTEREST THEM? BECAUSE ALL OTHER PROPERTY MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
THEY'LL HAVE FRONTAGE TO A PARKING GARAGE THAT HAS 274 PEOP CARS GOING IN AND OUT OF AN EVERYDAY PLUS.
AND, AND THE POTENTIAL FOR THEM THAT FRONTAGE FOR THEIR BUSINESS, JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS AND THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES WITH THIS SITE.
BUT YOU PER YOU, BEFORE YOU EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN 4 0 1 AS YOUR PRIMARY INTEREST.
SO I'D LIKE TO, IF, IF WE COULD DIRECT CONVERSATION BACK TO MAYBE 4 0 1 JUST BECAUSE SINCE WE KNOW THAT THAT SHOULD YOUR NUMBER ONE ASK, RIGHT? IS THAT PROPERTY WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THAT PROPERTY MEANS TO US AND WHAT OBSTACLES OR WHAT FUTURE VISION WE HAVE OR WHAT, SO THAT, THAT GETS ON THE TABLE.
SOUNDED LIKE IF YOU COULD PULL OFF THIS ASSEMBLAGE THOUGH, THAT THAT MIGHT BE NUMBER ONE.
I I'M, I'M SKEPTICAL OF THIS ASSEMBLAGE AND TWO, YOU, WELL, THE DECISION TO STAY HERE IS A LOT OF THAT'S EMOTIONALLY DRIVEN
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FROM JUST IT'S STATION FOUR.THAT'S OUR, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE EVERY FIRST THING WE REALLY STAFFED.
AND UM, BUT ULTIMATELY I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WITH, WITH THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTOR AND THE PARKING GARAGE TRAFFIC AND THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF FOREST ROAD IS GONNA MAINTAIN IT'S, IT'S, UH, SPOT AT NUMBER ONE WITH, UH, THE, THE, THE DYNAMIC CHANGE TO HOW THAT ROAD IS UTILIZED.
AND SO, UM, 'CAUSE LIKE ONE OF THE BIG, ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES, WE, WE'VE HAD TWO OR THREE PERSONAL VEHICLES DAMAGED IN THAT PARKING LOT OF 'CAUSE RV'S TURNING AROUND.
BUT THAT WON'T HAPPEN ONCE THE CONNECTOR'S OPEN.
SO THAT'LL ELIMINATE THAT, THAT PROBLEM.
PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC COULD BE MITIGATED IF WE HAD DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, AND THE, THE LIGHTS USUALLY MOVE PEOPLE OUT OF THE WAY.
BUT, UH, I, I'M, AND I'M, I'M SCARRED TOO.
I HAVE SCARS WITH THIS PROPOSAL BECAUSE I'VE HAD, I, I DIDN'T ELABORATE TOO MUCH ON HOW MANY CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH THE 4 61 AND 4 41.
AND I GUESS I'M, I GUESS I, MY OPTICS ARE SKEWED BECAUSE I'VE HAD SO MANY CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE COUNTER TO WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW THAT I JUST, I I'M NOT, I'M A NON-BELIEVER, BUT I, I NEVER DISCOUNT ANYTHING ULTIMATELY.
BUT, BUT NOW IT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO ASSEMBLAGE NUMBER ONE SECOND, YOU KNOW, NOSTALGIA ASIDE YEAH.
ISN'T REALLY A TOP ONE OR TWO.
NO, IT, IT IS A PRACTICAL, WE DO NEED TO TALK ABOUT IF IT IS GONNA BE 4 0 1 MM-HMM.
SO THERE'S THAT, THAT VARIABLE FOR US.
SO, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S WORTHWHILE FOR US TO BE TALKING ABOUT 4 0 1 AS WELL.
AND TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES ON THAT WHILE WE'RE TOGETHER.
LET'S EXPLORE 4 0 1 BECAUSE I, SO THE, THE ORIGINAL NON-START WITH 4 0 1 WITH, UH, WITH KAREN WAS, WAS MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING.
EVERYBODY'S GETTING GOOD BY THE WAY.
AI TELLS ME THAT BOARDS OF DIRECTORS OF SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICTS IN ARIZONA DO BRING CONDEMNATION PROCEEDINGS TO TAKE PRIVATE PROPERTIES FOR PUBLIC USE.
THANK, I GUESS I WANNA MAKE JUST A KIND OF A PRACTICAL OBSERVATION THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN 4 0 1 WAS ACQUIRED WITH AN IDEA FOR HOUSING, WHAT, WHEN WAS THAT? APPROXIMATE TIMEFRAME? 2016.
ANDY, YOU'D BE THE ONLY ONE I WOULD KNOW.
NO LATER I WOULD SAY, OKAY, SO WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS, IS THAT AT THAT TIME THERE WAS CERTAINLY NO I ON ACQUIRING CULTURAL PARK.
SO, OR OR SHELBY OR SUNSET LOSS.
BUT MY PERSPECTIVE IS FROM A AVAILABLE DOLLARS TO INVEST OUT OF OUR HOUSING FUND AND OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE, HONESTLY FOUR OH AND JORDAN DOESN'T NECESSARILY STRIKE ME AS A BIG SACRIFICE AT THIS POINT.
WE, WE WILL NOT LACK FOR OPPORTUNITY TO INVEST HOUSING FUND DOLLARS FOR MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING.
I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE STATEMENT.
I THINK THAT GO TO THE FIRE DISTRICT AT THE TIME, THE ONLY TWO PLACES THAT WERE, OR THREE PLACES THAT WERE BEING THOUGHT OF WERE 4 0 1 JORDAN UA AND SOUTHWEST, WHICH IS NOW BEING BUILT PRIVATELY ANYWAY, NOT AFFORDABLE.
AND I WOULD ADD THAT AT THE TIME THAT THEY ACQUIRED AND THEY, MEANING THE CHAMBER ACQUIRED THAT PARKING LOT.
AND THAT ACTUALLY I BELIEVE WAS EVEN AFTER THE COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA PLAN BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA PLAN DIDN'T NECESSARILY RECOMMEND THAT'S HOUSING.
SO TO YOUR POINT, THINGS CHANGE.
NO, AND I THINK IN EVERY DECISION WE MAKE, I THINK AS TIME PROGRESSES WE HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE IN HOLDED TO PRIOR DECISIONS, WHICH WERE APPOINTED TIME.
AND SO I TOTALLY AGREE BESIDES MAYBE THE FIRE STATION SIDE CAN BE HOUSED THAT THAT SITE WITH SOME VISITOR SERVICES POTENTIALLY ATTACHED TO IT AND RESTROOM.
WHICH SITE? BRIAN? THE 4 0 1 JORDAN? NO, THE EXISTING.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE EXISTING FIRE STATION FORCE SITE AND THE EXISTING SITE.
WE HAVE PUBLIC RESTROOMS 80 YARDS SOUTH AT THE VISITOR CENTER.
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THIS, THERE, THE NEED FOR PUBLIC RESTROOMS THERE IS, IS LESS THAN IT WOULD BE POINT WAS ONLY THAT PERHAPS HOUSING INSTEAD OF GOING ON JORDAN COULD GO ON FOREST.I MEAN IT'S NOT SOMETHING TO DISCUSS NOW, BUT I MEAN THINGS JUST GET TO GET MOVED AROUND AS DECISIONS ARE MADE.
OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU REEVALUATE YOUR OTHER PIECES.
AND I WOULDN'T PREDICATE ANYTHING ON WHAT'S CURRENT USE AT THE CURRENT CHAMBER BUILDING WITH, WITH THE BATHROOM FACILITIES THERE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE FOR THAT BUILDING.
WHAT THE CHAMBER WANTS OR NOT UNDERSTOOD.
SO SINCE THIS IS A PRELIMINARY AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION AS TO WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DELVE INTO FURTHER, UM, WHAT WE TOUCHED ON EARLIER IS REDEVELOPMENT OF JORDAN ROAD.
AND WE DIDN'T DELVE INTO THIS, BUT THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR REARRANGING ASSEMBLAGE, IF YOU WILL, OF THIS AREA.
UM, THERE'S OTHER PROPERTIES IN HERE THAT ARE PRIME FOR REDEVELOPMENT.
UM, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE'S PEACH, SUNSET, THOSE STREETS THAT DON'T SERVE A LOT THAT COULD BE REUSED.
SO THERE'S ALSO POTENTIAL TO LOOK AT THIS ENTIRE AREA AND DO A SIMILAR, UM, ASSESSMENT OF POTENTIAL USES.
AND THEN AREN'T WE LIKE GETTING READY TO DO SOMETHING ON 4 0 1? UH, NO.
UH, AT THE MOMENT WE HAD A, UH, PRIVATE DEVELOPER INTERESTED IN THE SITE AND DOING AN AGREEMENT WITH US FOR, UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING AND WE LET HIM KNOW THAT THIS CONVERSATION WAS HAPPENING TODAY AND TO WAIT AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT THIS, UM, PARCEL WAS GONNA BE FURTHER INTEREST TO, UM, AND DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT STAYS ON THE TABLE OR NOT, WE WOULD THEN BE ISSUING AN RFP TO SELECT THE DEVELOPER.
UM, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, JUST THE FIRST ONE THAT COMES TO US TYPE OF THING.
SO STEVE AND HIS HOUSING TEAM ARE WORKING ON A DRAFT RFP, UM, IN CASE IT, UH, IS NOT GONNA BE IDENTIFIED FOR FURTHER EVALUATION FOR THE FIRE STATION.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT THAT.
SO WHAT'S THE THINKING WITH 4 0 1? SO IT'S THINKING THAT YOU WOULD SWAP THAT LAND FOR THE EXISTING LAND THAT MAKES UP THE L THAT IS THE FIRE STATION TODAY.
SO THE CITY WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT COULD DO ON THAT LAND, WHAT KIND OF REDEVELOPMENT IT COULD DO ON THAT LAND WITHOUT THE OTHER TWO PIECES.
'CAUSE NOW YOU HAVE AN L AS OPPOSED TO A RECTANGLE WITH MULTIPLE EASEMENTS.
YES, MULTIPLE EASEMENTS AND, AND YOU HAVE A SECTION DOWN AT THE BOTTOM YOU CAN'T TOUCH AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF DEMOLITION COSTS.
ESPECIALLY APPARENTLY AROUND THE JAIL CELL.
I WOULD, I WOULD CLARIFY THERE WILL BE SUBSTANTIAL DEMOLITION COSTS, BUT THAT TO BE DEFINED, WHOSE COSTS THOSE ARE.
BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF FAKE NUMBERS FOR THE SAKE OF CONVERSATION, THIS IS A MILLION BUCKS IN 4 0 1 JORDAN'S, 2 MILLION, THEN OKAY, WE'LL PAY FOR THE DEMOLITION.
WE'LL WE'LL PAY AS DESCRIBED BY THE CITY, THE PREP, YOU KNOW, FOR, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, BUT WE NEED YOU TO PREP FOR THIS SPECIFIC USE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE I THINK EVERYTHING'S OPEN AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S, AND YEAH, I I COULD GO ON FOR A LONG TIME ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT IDEAS I'VE SAT UP THINKING ABOUT HOW TO DO WHAT, WHAT, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK CYNTHIA AND STEVE THOUGH, UM, BUT DO YOU SEE, AGAIN, WITH WHAT CHIEF JUST SAID ABOUT PREPPING IN THE FUTURE, WHATEVER, DO YOU SEE POTENTIAL FOR HOUSING AT THIS SITE, AT THE CURRENT, UH, FIRE STATION SITE? I THINK THAT IS PART OF A, THAT'S A PIECE OF A BIGGER PLAN THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT, UM, AS PART OF THE REDEVELOPING AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT HOUSING ON THIS SITE, THE WAY IT'S, UH, SET UP, UM, WE MIGHT STILL BE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY, UM, WHAT, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER FOR THE FIRE STATION, UM, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY DOING, UH, SOME INCENTIVES FOR THE OTHER LAND MAY.
SO AGAIN, YES, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT AREAS FOR HOUSING, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT A, AT A LARGER PLAN THAN THAT.
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IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PARCEL THAT THERE ARE MAYBE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT THE CITY MAY WANT TO HAVE AND INQUIRE THERE, UM, FOR OTHER REASONS.AND I THINK CYNTHIA CAN, SHE'S, SHE'S, SHE DOES PLANNER SPEAK ON ALL THAT.
BUT, UM, UH, I THINK THAT YES, WITH, WITH UM, OUR REDEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT TO DO UP THERE WITH THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE IN UPTOWN, UH, WITH THE NEEDS FOR HOUSING, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UH, WE WOULD START, WANT TO START LOOKING AT OTHER PIECES OF THAT PUZZLE.
I, WHAT IS 4 0 1 JORDAN'S OWN NEXT? RIGHT NOW? WHAT, WHAT IS 4 0 1 JORDAN'S ZONING? CYNTHIA, YOUR, UM, WRITTEN MATERIALS THAT WE HAD, MARSHALL HAD MATERIAL THAT YOU HAD ATTACHED, NOT THE SLIDE DECK.
I THINK YOU HAD A CHART IN THERE THAT HAD ALL THE KEY, UH, FEATURES OF ALL THESE PARCELS AND MAYBE THAT ALL BE POSSIBLE.
AND BRIAN, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH.
THAT COMMUNICATIONS TOWER THAT HAS TO STAY THERE IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA CAUSE PEOPLE TO BE THINKING THEY'RE GONNA GET IRRADIATED IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, LIVING THERE? I BELIEVE SIR, THAT YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THE ANSWER TO
WELL, BUT THERE WAS SOME PEOPLE WHO WOULD FOLLOW UP TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT STEVE WAS SAYING.
UM, I FEEL LIKE IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT ONE OF THESE PIECES SEPARATED FROM THE OTHER PIECE AND THAT YOU PROBABLY WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT AN AREA SUCH AS FOREST JORDAN, S AND B AND ALL OF THOSE PARCELS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE BEST HE PREFERRED USE FOR EACH OF THESE PROPERTIES.
UM, PERHAPS HOUSING IS, IS NOT A PREFERRED LOCATION IN UPTOWN OR MAYBE IT IS.
UM, BUT THE QUESTION WAS IF 4 0 1 SHOULD BE MULTIFAMILY, WHAT ABOUT TWO 60? MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE MULTIFAMILY.
SO IT'S HARD TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE IN ALL OF THEM AND HAVING A PARKING GUY, PARKING EXPERTS, I MEAN, WE DO NEED TO HAVE THAT BROADER CONVERSATION AROUND UPTOWN AND WHAT'S GONNA GO ON IN UPTOWN.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GOT RESIDENTIAL, IT'S ALSO HEAVILY COMMERCIAL.
IT'S ONE OF OUR MAJOR COMMERCIAL CENTERS.
YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE MIGHT BE AN ISSUE WITH THE SUBSTATION, POLICE SUBSTATION IN THE GARAGE.
'CAUSE I CERTAINLY SAW THAT AS A FEATURE FOR, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN UPTOWN TO HAVE A SUBSTATION THERE.
UM, WE TALK ABOUT HOW HOT IT IS UP THERE, THAT IT IS, IT'S OUR HOTTEST AREA IN THE CITY.
UM, 'CAUSE OF ALL THE BUILDINGS AND ALL THE CEMENT AND YET NO GREEN SPACE TO SPEAK OF.
SO IT JUST FEELS LIKE THERE'S THIS BIGGER DISCUSSION AROUND IF YOU PUT THOSE PROPERTIES TOGETHER, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THEM? HOUSING MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT ANSWER TO BRIAN'S POINT.
WE, WE ALSO NOW HAVE THE WESTERN GATEWAY WHERE WE CAN PUT HOUSING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TRANSIT, WE'VE GOT MICRO TRANSIT.
SO YOU CAN MOVE THOSE PEOPLE AROUND WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO MOVE THEIR CARS.
AND THIS IS A BIG CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE US RESOLVING THIS TODAY AT ALL WHEN WE HAVE A MEETING STARTING AT THREE O' I WANT BE CLEAR, I I, I PERSONALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY EXPECTATION OF OF WALKING OUTTA HERE WITH A, A TICKET PUNCHED.
BUT I, I I, I JUST, I THINK IT WAS CRITICAL TO, TO REALLY EXPAND ON OUR NEEDS AND AND ALIGN WITH, WITH THE CITY'S NEEDS.
AND REALLY, SO NEITHER OF US ARE PLAYING CATCH UP ANYMORE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING A JOINT CONVERSATION NOW MOVING FORWARD REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME TODAY, WE, WE NOW CAN JUST HAVE CONVERSATIONS 'CAUSE WE KNOW EACH PIECE OF THE PUZZLE GOTTA STOP.
UH, BRIAN FIRST AND THEN PETE NOW WE'RE GONNA STOP QUESTION BECAUSE WE HAVE TO.
AND I'M JUST GONNA SAY FROM LIKE A CONSENSUS STANDPOINT, ISN'T THERE A VIEW THAT AN ASSEMBLAGE AT THE EXISTING LOCATION IN 4 0 1 ARE THE, THE TWO OPTIONS TO CONTINUE TO INVESTIGATE AND SEE WHAT CAN COME FROM THEM THAT GIVES ME THE TOOLS I NEED TO DO THE STUFF ON OUR END.
I'M VERY RELUCTANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH 4 0 1 JORDAN UNTIL WE HAVE THE BIGGER CONVERSATION ABOUT UPTOWN.
I DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT AWAY UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE, WHERE IT FITS INTO OUR PLAN.
SO TO ME IT'S NOT, NOT READY TO PUT IT ON THE TABLE, NOT TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE, BUT NOT READY FOR IT TO, NOT TO NOT TO COMMIT.
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I FINISH TOPIC A LITTLE BIT, CHIEF, I JUST WANT A COUPLE MORE WORDS ABOUT THE ANTENNA CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO BUILD ANOTHER ONE AND THEN RELOCATE IT OR STICK THOSE ANTENNAS ON TOP OF A BUILDING THAT MIGHT GROW UP THERE INSTEAD OF HAVING A BASE STRUCTURE? YES AND NO.
AND, AND I'LL HAVE TO GET THE APPROPRIATE TERMINOLOGY TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ONE, IT'S PROXIMITY TO THE, WHAT IS IT NOW? THE QUEST OR THE THE BUILD THAT THAT IS A PIECE THAT IS A A NO GO.
AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE, AND THIS IS NOT MY WHEELHOUSE, BUT SOME OF THE FREQUENCIES AND, AND OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE BECAUSE OF THE, THE AGE OF THAT TOWER, WE, WE LOSE WITH THE FCC IF IT'S, IF IT'S MOVED.
BUT I, I CAN GET, I'LL CLARIFY THAT SO I CAN SPEAK TO IT INTELLIGENTLY.
SO DOES MOVING PRECLUDE, UH, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORDS.
IF THERE WAS A BUILDING THERE AND THE ANTENNAS WERE ACTUALLY JUST LIFTED AND THEY WERE ON THE ROOF, BUT IT'S KIND OF STILL THE SAME LOCATION, IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE BASE STRUCTURE.
IS THAT POSSIBLE? IT WOULD, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A EQUAL HEIGHT TO WHAT IT IS NOW.
SO AND SO, I I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME PEOPLE OPPOSED TO THE TOWER MOVING INTO UPTOWN INTO IT.
I MEAN JUST IMAGINE IT POKING RIGHT OUT OF, RIGHT OUT OF JORDAN ROAD.
I, AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH.
SO WE HAVE TO END THIS MEETING.
WE HAVE KNOWLEDGE IN 20 MINUTES.
BUT UH, CYNTHIA, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION OR YOU STILL WAITING FOR, YOU WANT CONSENSUS FROM US? NO.
ONE WAY TO PUT IT IS TO MAYBE DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH INVESTIGATION ON THE FOREST ROAD CORRIDOR AND THEN THE JORDAN SNUBBY 4 0 1 AND TWO 60, RIGHT? I DON'T HEAR NO, I DON'T HEAR THE SNUBBY ON THE TABLE.
I DON'T SEE IT ON THE TABLE EITHER.
I SEE 4 0 1 AND THESE EXISTING FIRE STATION.
SO, UH, I HAVEN'T WEIGH IN YET AT ALL.
SO IF YOU GIVE ME A LITTLE IN HERE, I KNOW THAT FIRE STATION, I KNOW THE CONDITION IS IN.
I DON'T SEE US WAITING TOO MUCH LONGER.
WE NEED FOR THE PROTECTION OF OUR RESIDENTS.
SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN AND SOON.
I UNDERSTAND VICE MAYOR'S CONCERN OF, WELL WE DON'T KNOW WHAT UPTOWN'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
4 0 1 JORDAN WAS PURCHASED FOR THE PURPOSE OF HOUSING.
BUT FIRE PROTECTION IS IMPORTANT AND I THINK THAT, I DON'T WANNA WAIT TILL WE DO A WHOLE STUDY IN ENOUGH CAMP TO DECIDE.
I DON'T, THERE IS A CRACK DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THAT FIRE STATION.
WHAT'S THAT? YOU CAN LOSE A CAB IN IT.
SO I MEAN, GOD FORBID THAT BUILDING COMES DOWN, LET ALONE PEOPLE GET A BIRTH FROM ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT GOING ALONG WITH THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO WAIT ANY LONGER.
UH, BUT I, I THINK IF WE CAN DO IN TANDEM DO STUDIES ON BOTH PROPERTIES, THE CHIEF CAN MAYBE WORK, CAN HAVE BUILDINGS AND WORK WITH KURT AND SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER COME UP WITH AN IDEA OF WHAT TO DO WITH SAL AND HIS PROPERTY.
AND I'M GOING DIRECT WITH SAL.
I THINK IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF A PLAN.
I THOUGHT CYNTHIA'S IDEA WAS FABULOUS AS, AS FAR AS WORKING TOGETHER, MOVING THE BUILDINGS, WHATEVER.
I KNOW SAL WOULD LOVE TO MOVE HIS BUILDING CLOSER TO THE PARKING GARAGE BECAUSE HE SHARED THAT WITH ME ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
UH, BUT MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT SCHEDULING ANOTHER MEETING IN TWO MONTHS FROM NOW IF THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH TIME FOR CYNTHIA AND THE CHIEF TO, UH, AND IF WHOEVER ELSE IS INVOLVED TO WORK TOGETHER.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT OUT SIX MONTHS.
I DON'T WANNA PUT IT OUT ANY LONGER.
ASSUMING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S COMMITTING ANNETTE STAFF.
I THINK YOU'RE FINE WITH RIGHT.
I APPRECIATE THAT WITH THANKSGIVING.
BUT FOR TODAY BEFORE, SO WE, WE CAN END THIS.
ARE WE IN A CONSENSUS TO AT LEAST CONSIDER JUST THE TWO PROPERTIES? MM-HMM.
I HAVE FROM THE COUNCIL CONSENSUS.
KATHY, LOOK LIKE YOU, I I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HELEN.
BUT YOU HAVE TWO NEW BOARD MEMBERS COMING ON ON, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO IN TWO MONTHS, SO THIS CAST CHARACTERS WILL CHANGE SLIGHTLY.
SAID THAT WHAT CAST OF CHARACTERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BUT TO OUR, TO OUR ADVANTAGE, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY BOTH ARE VERY ENGAGED LOCAL RESIDENTS AND IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE STARTING IN FROM SCRATCH.
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IN, HIT THEIR GROUND ROLLING ALREADY.SO, AND ON THE COUNCIL SIDE WE'LL HAVE ONE TURNOVER.
SO I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF WE IN TWO, 'CAUSE YOU SAID ABOUT TWO MONTHS, WHICH I AGREE ABOUT NOT PUTTING OUT FURTHER, BUT WANTED TO KNOW WE'D BE STARTING OVER WITH NEW PEOPLE AT THE TABLE.
I'M SURE ANNETTE WILL BE ABLE TO BRING UP, UH, DEREK UP TO SPEED OR ANY OF US.
AND NICK, HELEN WOULD DO THE SAME WITH THE TWO NEW QUESTIONS.
SO I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
ANY CLOSING COMMENT BEFORE WE END THIS MEETING? I'D LIKE TO JUST THANK YOU.
OVER MY SHOULDERS AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE TIME TODAY.
AND EVERYBODY'S SCHEDULE IS BUSY.
UH, AND I WILL THANK OUR BOARD MEMBERS AND CHIEF MISSOULA AS WELL.
BUT I THINK THIS MEETING NOT ONLY IS HISTORIC, BUT I THINK IT'S PUTTING IN PLACE A REALLY GOOD COLLABORATION TO SOLVE AN IMPORTANT PROBLEM FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK, THANK YOU ALL FOR PUTTING UP WITH ME.
IT'S ON EVERY ITEM, ON EVERY AGENDA.
RUNNING A IDEA FOR FUTURE MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. WE'LL HAVE THIS AS WITHIN TWO MONTHS WE'LL SCHEDULE THIS, EVERYBODY TOGETHER.
I'M JUST THE ONLY AGENDA ITEMS. ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN GO OUT AND NOTHING.
WHAT WAS, WHAT'S TONIGHT JUST GENERAL.