* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL ] [00:00:06] GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. THIS IS THE CITY OF ANO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. AUGUST 1ST AT FOUR 30. OCTOBER, OCTOBER 1ST. FIRST. THAT'S, I'LL GET THIS RIGHT. I JUST NEED TO BE ON HERE LONGER. UH, IF YOU'LL ALL RISE WITH ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TWO, THE REPUBLIC FOR . ONE NATION UNDERGONE INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY. LIBERTY, AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ROLL CALL PLEASE. CHAIR LEVIN. HERE. VICE GERALD SEENEY. HERE. COMMISSIONER MARTIN. HERE. COMMISSIONER WHEEL HERE. COMMISSIONER HURST. HERE. COMMISSIONER GSKI HERE. AND COMMISSIONER BRAHM IS EXCUSED. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM [2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF ] NUMBER TWO. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF WILL. YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, THANK THE CITY FOR, UH, FOR ALLOWING US TO GO TO THE, UH, TRAINING IN, UH, TUCSON. I THINK WAS, UH, IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE. UH, EACH TIME YOU MEET WITH, UM, BOTH OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND, AND FOLKS THAT WORK IN, IN, UH, PLANNING AND GAIN SOMETHING, AND SOMETIMES YOU NEED THAT LITTLE SOMETHING EXTRA UP HERE. MM-HMM. . SO, UM, THANKS AGAIN. MM-HMM. . YEAH. JOE, DID YOU HAVE ANY WANTED TO SAY? YEAH, I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE CITY FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. UM, IT WAS NICE. I'VE MET UP WITH A COUPLE OLD FRIENDS, SO IT WAS NICE TO SEE SOME FOLKS DOWN THERE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, COPYING WHAT WILL SAID YOU REALLY DO, UH, HAVE A BETTER GRASP OF THE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING ISSUES THAT AFFECT OUR STATE. SO KEN, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. ANYTHING FROM SARAH OR COLLEAGUE? DID YOU DO VIRTUAL? NO, I'M NOT DONE YET. IT'S LIKE AS YOU GO. WHY AREN'T YOU SWINGING THAT AROUND? I HAVEN'T COMPLETED IT YET, BUT WE HAVE ACCESS NOW. EXCELLENT. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE. OH, I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT, UM, THERE ARE TWO VACANCIES ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. UH, TWO INCUMBENTS ARE APPLYING FOR THAT. AND THERE'S THREE VACANCIES. THERE'S THREE VACANCIES. THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE FOUR OTHER APPLICATIONS TO REVIEW, INCLUDING THE TWO OF THE SEATED MEMBERS. AND THOSE INTERVIEWS ARE COMING UP NEXT WEEK. UM, UPDATE ON THINGS THAT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS SEEN. UM, LAST WEEK, CITY COUNCIL DID APPROVE THE ZONE CHANGE FOR THE VILLAGE AT SADDLE ROCK CROSSING PROJECT. IT WAS A FOUR TO THREE VOTE. AND SO THAT WILL BE MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU, CARRIE. THAT'S THE BIT'S PROPERTY. YES. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , UH, MOVING ON TO, OH, BEFORE I MOVE ON, WOULD YOU ALL SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY? AND, [3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES] UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES. UH, AUGUST 20TH, 2024, REGULAR MEETING, AND THE AUGUST, 2024 SITE VISIT MEETING. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THESE MINUTES? IF NOT, THEY STAND APPROVED. MOVE ON TO AGENDA [4. PUBLIC FORUM] ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UM, PUBLIC FORUM. I'M JUST GONNA READ THIS FOR YOU. THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS SECTION 33 DASH 4 31 0.01 H. ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE. AND I HAVE ONE CARD FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, FOR, UH, THIS PUBLIC FORUM CONCERNING LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 2.24 E. AND IF ROB SMITH IS IN THE ROOM, COME ON UP. MR. SMITH, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THERE'S A TIMER. AND, UM, GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. UH, MY NAME IS ROB SMITH. I LIVE ON 71 LITTLE HORSE LANE OVER IN THE CHAPEL AREA. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE ARTICLE TWO, SECTION 2.24 MEASUREMENTS AND EXCEPTIONS, ESPECIALLY THE BUILDING HEIGHT, UH, WHERE IT STATES NO PART MAY EXCEED 22 FEET IN HEIGHT IN A RESIDENTIAL HOME. HOWEVER, THERE ARE ALTERNATE HEIGHT STANDARDS ACCORDING TO TABLE 2.9. YOU CAN GET AN [00:05:01] ADDITIONAL 3.5 FEET IF YOU PAINT YOUR HOUSE A DARK COLOR. I AM HERE TO URGE THE, UH, CITY TO REMOVE THAT EXCEPTION. I LIVE IN A PREDOMINANT NEIGHBORHOOD OF ONE STORY RANCH HOMES WHERE MY NEIGHBOR TORE DOWN, UH, HIS HOME AND BUILT A TWO STORY. UH, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT COLOR HOUSE IS PAINTED. IT STILL BLOCKS VIEWS. UH, MY NEIGHBOR USED TO SEE THE NUNS OR THE SISTERS AT TWIN BUTTES, BUT DOES NOT, UH, SEE THAT. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE HOUSE IS PAINTED WHITE OR BLACK. UH, THE MAIN CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT THIS ISSUE IS THAT IT IS UNENFORCEABLE. UH, I BELIEVE THAT I'M A RETIRED ARCHITECT. I PRACTICE IN A POPULATION OF HALF A MILLION PEOPLE. I NEVER ENCOUNTERED A CODE THAT DEALT WITH THE COLOR OF A BUILDING. TO GIVE YOU EXCEPTIONS. USUALLY IT HAS TO DO WITH PERMANENT THINGS SUCH AS SETBACKS, CONSTRUCTION TYPES, ET CETERA, BUT NOT THE COLOR OF YOUR BUILDING. I DID CALL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ASKED IN 20 YEARS WHEN THIS HOUSE IS SOLD, HOW WILL ANYBODY KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO REMAIN A DARK COLOR? AND THEY CAN'T. THEY CAN CHANGE THE COLOR. ALTHOUGH THE CITY WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO COME TO THE CITY FOR THEIR PAINT COLOR. MANY PEOPLE DO NOT. AND, UH, I FEEL THAT IT'S UNENFORCEABLE BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE DAYS, NOBODY WILL KNOW. THERE WON'T BE RECORDS. THE PEOPLE OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DID TELL ME THAT, OH NO, WE HAVE INSPECTORS GOING AROUND IN CARS AND TRUCKS, AND THEY HAVE RECORDS. I SAY BALONEY. THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A RECORD OF AN EXCEPTION BURIED IN SOME FILE TO A HOUSE THAT WAS ABLE TO PAINT IN A DARKER COLOR. UH, RECORDS GET LOST AND THEY HAVE FOR THE CITY. SOFTWARE GETS UPDATED AND RECORDS DON'T GET TRANSFERRED. WHO KNOWS WHAT'S THE FUTURE GONNA BE. SO I THINK THIS SHOULD BE STRICKEN AND NO EXCEPTIONS FOR HEIGHT INCREASE SHOULD BE GIVEN BECAUSE OF A PAINT COLOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MR. SMITH. DULY NOTED BY STAFF. OKAY, THERE ARE NO OTHER CARDS. SO I'LL CLOSE THAT. AGENDA ITEM, GO ON TO [5.a. Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding an approval of a Conditional Use Permit Amendment (CUP) to expand the parking lot for the trailhead shuttle at 1294 & 1406 State Route 179 (North State Route 179 Trailhead Shuttle). The existing CUP was approved in January 2023 under PZ22-00010 (CUP). The subject property is ±1.94 acres, and is located southwest of the intersection of State Route 179 and Bowstring Dr. APN: 401- 25-002N & P] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES, A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AN APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT CUP TO EXPAND THE PARKING LOT FOR THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE AT 1 2 9 4 AND 1 4 0 6. STATE ROUTE 1 79 NORTH STATE ROUTE 1 7 9 TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE. THE EXISTING CUP WAS APPROVED IN JANUARY, 2023 UNDER PZ 22 DASH 0 0 0 1 0 CUP. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS PLUS OR MINUS 1.94 ACRES, AND IS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROUTE 1 79 AND BO STRING DRIVE. PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 1 25 DASH 0 0 2 N AND P. THIS IS CASE NUMBER PZ 24 DASH 0 0 0 0 9. SO CARRIE, WILL YOU LEAD US OFF? YEP. THANK YOU. UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO, YEAH, SO THIS IS THE PROJECT AS JUST READ BY THE, UM, CHAIR. THIS IS THE PARKING LOT IS A CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED USE IN THE CF ZONE. UM, AND AS OUTLINED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, THERE ARE NO USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR THIS USE, BUT CONDITIONS MAY, UM, CONDITIONS FOR C PS ARE MEANT TO NET MITIGATE THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF THE USE. UM, THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN USED AS A PARKING LOT SINCE 2001 WHEN IT WAS A PARKING LOT FOR CHURCH OF THE RED ROCKS AND THE SHUTTLE PARKING HAS BEEN UNDER, UM, OPERATING UNDER A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AT THIS LOT SINCE 2002. OR SORRY, IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. 2022. UM, WHEN WE WERE ESSENTIALLY RENTING THE LOT FROM THE CHURCH. ABOUT A YEAR LATER, THE CITY BOUGHT THE LOT AND REZONED THE PROPERTY FROM ITS PREVIOUS RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION TO THE CF ZONE AND GOT A DIFFERENT USE PERMIT UNDER THE CF ZONE. UM, THE CURRENT CUP DOES NOT HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE. UM, SO THIS IS WHAT THE CHAIR JUST READ. THE APPLICANT ON THIS CASE IS THE CITY AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IN JOHN HALL FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS HERE TONIGHT AS WELL. UM, SO THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN HERE, SHOWN HERE. WHERE'S THE MOUSE? IT'S NOT ON, I'M SORRY. IT'S THESE TWO LOTS RIGHT HERE. UM, WITH THIS BEING THE ARROW DRIVE MORGAN ROAD, ROUNDABOUT ON 1 79 [00:10:02] AERIAL MAP, YOU CAN SEE THE PARKING LOT IN ITS ROUGHLY ITS CURRENT CON UM, CURRENT CONDITION. AND THEN THE SITE PLAN, SORRY. UM, SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. I, JOHN DID, UM, PROVIDE A SLIGHT UPDATE TO THIS, THIS AFTERNOON, WHICH I THOUGHT MADE IT IN HERE, BUT IT DIDN'T. BUT ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE PROPOSING ALSO A, SOME, A SIDEWALK IN THIS CENTER ISLAND HERE. SO ALL OF THAT WOULD BE, UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WHAT THE CHANGES ARE ARE REMOVAL OF THIS ROUNDABOUT HERE AND ADDITION OF PARKING. SO IT WOULD JUST BE A STRAIGHT SHOT. INSTEAD OF HAVING THE ROUNDABOUT IN THE MIDDLE, THERE WOULD BE THIS AREA HERE, UM, FUNCTIONING AS A TURNAROUND AREA. AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE A, A DASHED LINE IN THIS AREA THAT WOULD FUNCTION AS THE FIRE TRUCK TURNAROUND, EMERGENCY TURNAROUND THERE THAT THE ROUNDABOUT IS CURRENTLY ACTING AS. AND THEN ALSO THE OTHER MAIN CHANGE IS THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING A NEW DRIVEWAY OFF OF BOW STRING DRIVE. THAT WOULD BE FOR THE SHUTTLES TO REMOVE THE SH TO GIVE THE SHUTTLES THEIR OWN LANE. SO THE VEHICLES IN THE MAIN PARKING LOT ARE NOT IN OUR, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH IN THE VEHICLES IN THE MAIN PARKING LOT ARE NOT KEEPING THE SHUTTLES SEPARATE FROM THAT. UM, SO THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN CHANGES. THIS PLAN ALSO SHOWS, UM, RESTROOMS AND A SHADE STRUCTURE, WHICH WERE PART OF THE CUP THAT WAS APPROVED WHAT, LAST YEAR. UM, SO THOSE WOULD NOT NEED AN AMENDMENT. THEY'RE NOT, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN BUILT YET, BUT THOSE ARE PART OF, UM, WHAT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS HOPING TO DO AS PART OF THIS UPGRADING OF THE WHOLE PARKING LOT. UM, SO IF IT HAD JUST BEEN THOSE TWO ITEMS, WE WOULDN'T BE BACK BEFORE YOU BECAUSE THOSE ELEMENTS WERE INCLUDED LAST YEAR. BUT BECAUSE OF THE RECONFIGURATION OF THE PARKING LOT, UM, WE ARE BACK HERE FOR AN AMENDED SITE PLAN. UM, SO AGAIN, LET'S SEE, I THINK SAID THIS, THE CITY WILL OF COURSE, REMAIN THE OWNER IN THE PARKING LOT IS BEING MANAGED BY THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. UM, THE PUBLIC OR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT HAVE NOT RE UM, RECEIVED ANY CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINTS FOR THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS. AND I DON'T KNOW JOHN CAN ADDRESS WHETHER, UM, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HAS, BUT WE ARE CONTINUING TO MANAGE IT AND WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE NEIGHBORS. UM, SO THE REVIEW CRITERIA IS JUST THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE FINDINGS THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO ALL APPLICATIONS. AND OUR EVALUATION OF THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. UM, FOR THE PUBLIC INPUT, THERE WAS, UM, A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN THAT, UM, WE SENT OUT. A OR JOHN SENT OUT A LETTER TO THE NEIGHBOR, TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS. AND STAFF COMPLETED THE PUBLIC NOTICING FOR THIS HEARING, UM, INCLUDING THE SIGN ON THE PROPERTY DOCUMENTS ON THE WEBSITE, MAILING TO THE NEIGHBORS. I THINK YOU WERE PROVIDED, UH, SOME UPDATED COMMENTS THIS AFTERNOON BY LAURA. UM, SO AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, STAFF DOES BELIEVE THAT THIS APPLICATION MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, AND IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. AND LIKE I SAID, JOHN DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE A SEPARATE PRESENTATION, BUT HE IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU, CARRIE. UH, I WANTED TO DISCLOSE TO THE COMMISSION AND, UH, TO THE PUBLIC THAT I LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE WAY THAT IT'S DEFINED, UM, FOR THIS POSITION. UM, AND I ASKED CARRIE, UM, BEFORE THIS PROJECT, UH, WAS PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC TO, UH, EXTEND THE NORMAN NORMAL 300 FOOT, UM, DISTANCE FOR NOTIFICATION, WHICH IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT TO THE PARKING LOT WOULD'VE BEEN ABOUT TWO LOTS. SO I ASKED HER IF SHE WOULD NOTIFY THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DID. THAT'S, WE USED THE SAME LIST THAT WAS USED WHEN WE DID IT THE LAST TIME AROUND, AND WE WENT THROUGH AND HAD TO UPDATE PROPERTY OWNER. SO WE THINK WE GOT EVERYBODY. YEAH. SO GOOD. THERE HAS BEEN SOME QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS TRUE. SO I'M GLAD YOU CLEARED THAT UP. YEAH, WE DID THAT. AND THAT'S ALSO WHY YOU, WE MAKE SURE THAT THE SIGN IS ON THE PROPERTY AND ALL THAT. 'CAUSE IF SOMEONE MISSED IT OR THEY HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, THE ADDRESS THE COUNTY HAS ON RECORD ISN'T QUITE UP TO DATE. RIGHT. THEY WOULD HOPEFULLY SEE THAT AS WELL. SURE. YOU KNOW, AND I'VE GOT SOME SUGGESTIONS ABOUT NOTIFYING PUBLIC, HAVING EXPERIENCED IT NOW ON THIS SIDE. MM-HMM. , I WAS THINKING THAT THOSE PEOPLE THAT, THAT ARE IN THE SOUTH PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DON'T USE THAT, UH, ENTRANCE. AND SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN THAT PUBLIC NOTICE. BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TWEAK [00:15:01] A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS NOTIFIED AND IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE. UM, I ALSO DID A SITE VISIT WITH A FAMILY THAT LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ON SATURDAY OR SUNDAY. AND, UH, AFTER HAVING DONE THAT, I THOUGHT WE SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY HAD A SITE VISIT GIVEN THE SCOPE OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. SO JUST PRIMARILY I WANTED TO LAY OUT THAT I DO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, LET'S, UM, JOHN, WERE YOU PLANNING TO MAKE ANY KIND OF PRESENTATION OR, UH, NO, I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER SOME RESOURCE. OKAY. LIKE CARRIE SAYS, WE, UH, OH, SORRY. AS CARRIE SAYS, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE FOR A MODIFICATION OF THE CUP OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE'RE INCREASED THE, UH, UH, FOOTPRINT RIGHT, IF YOU WILL, OF THE, OF THE, UH, OF THE, UH, PARKING LOT. YES. FROM 64 SPACES TO 99 SPACES. RIGHT. AND CHANGE THE WAY THE, UH, THE BUSES INTERACT. SO WE FEEL IT'S A BIG IMPROVEMENT WITH THE, UH, BUS SLIP LANE. UH, REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF, UH, BUS, UH, TRIPS INTO THE, INTO BO STRING. WE JUST HAVE BUS INGRESS COMING IN AND THE EGRESS, THE, THE EXITING OF THE BUSES WILL BE DIRECTLY ONTO THE HIGHWAY. MM-HMM. . SO, UH, I DON'T SEE ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, UH, ON BOW STRING BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE'RE INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF SPACES FROM, FROM 64 TO 99, THE NUMBER OF TRIPS BY THE NATURE OF A PARK AND RIDE IS JUST DEMAND DRIVEN. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAD A HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO PARK THERE, AND YOU'VE ONLY GOT 64 SPACES LIKE YOU DO NOW, YOU KNOW, UH, 35 OF 'EM WILL, WILL JUST STILL GO IN THERE AND TURN AROUND AND GO OUT. 'CAUSE THERE'S NO SPACES NOW WE'LL STILL HAVE THAT A HUNDRED DEMAND, BUT WE'LL HAVE 99 SPACES FOR THOSE. SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THE CAR TRAFFIC DOES NOT INCREASE THE INS AND OUTS OF BOING, AND THE BUS TRAFFIC IS REDUCED BY HALF BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING OUT BOLSTERING, THEY'RE JUST COMING IN BOLSTERING. UM, THIS AFTERNOON I SHOT SOME QUESTIONS OVER TO STAFF, UM, AND I WONDER IF, IF, AS WE GO THROUGH, UM, OUR DISCUSSION, UH, ON THE DIOCESE, THAT MAYBE YOU MIGHT HAVE, UM, DETERMINED SOME INFORMATION THAT I WAS SEEKING OR NOT. SO YEAH, JUST TO FULL CLOSURE, I DIDN'T HAVE MY COMPUTER IN MEETINGS THIS AFTERNOON, SO I SAW YOUR EMAIL ABOUT FOUR 15. OKAY. SO I WASN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE ANYTHING TO JOHN PRIOR TO THE MEETING. I'LL BRING 'EM UP TONIGHT THEN. AND, AND OTHER COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE, UM, DIRECTED SOME QUESTIONS TO STAFF BEFORE THE MEETING AS WELL. CHARLOTTE, YOU DID TOO? NO, NOT BEFORE THE MEETING. OH, OKAY. BUT I DO HAVE QUESTIONS NOW. YEAH. OKAY, GREAT. UM, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC, UM, SAKE, I WANTED TO EXPLAIN HOW THIS PUBLIC HEARING ACTUALLY TRANSPIRES. UM, CARRIE PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW. THERE ARE RESOURCE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, UH, ENGINEERS TOO, I CAN COUNT. UM, AND THE DIRECTOR OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, ALL RESOURCES, UH, TO STAFF AND WILL HELP US MAKE DECISIONS, UM, ON THIS MATTER. THE ORDER OF, UM, THE ORDER FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING IS THAT WE HEAR FROM STAFF FIRST, THEN THE COMMISSION CAN ASK QUESTIONS. THEN WE CALL THE PUB CALL OPEN THE PUBLIC FORM PART. SO IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO SPEAK, UH, PLEASE GET A CARD OVER THERE ON THAT TABLE RIGHT AS YOU ENTER THESE CHAMBERS. AND THEN WE'LL CALL ON YOU AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS AND A VOTE. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT HERE. ALRIGHT. SO I'M OBLIGED TO START EITHER ON THE RIGHT OR THE LEFT, OR THE FIRST PERSON THAT RAISES THEIR HAND. OKAY. JOE, GO AHEAD. UM, I HAVE A, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UH, SO BEAR WITH ME. UM, I SAW THAT IN THE PLANS YOU'VE ON THE, UH, BUS, UM, EGRESS UNTIL 1 79. HAVE YOU GOTTEN PERMISSION YET FOR THAT OR ARE YOU STILL WAITING FOR ADOT? NO, WE'VE PUT IN A, UH, A, UH, ADOT ENCROACHMENT PERMIT AND WE HAVE AN APPROVAL, A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OF THAT. OKAY. AND THOSE CONDITIONS ARE CONSTRUCTION RELATED. OKAY. PERFECT. TRAFFIC CONTROL PLANS AND CONSTRUCTION RELATED ITEMS. OKAY. BUT THEY'VE, THEY'VE, THEY'VE, UH, THEY'VE APPROVED THE ALIGNMENT. OKAY. GREAT. UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS IN REGARDS TO THE ROUNDABOUT THAT'S INSIDE THE PARKING LOT, UM, I UNDERSTAND FROM THE LETTER OF INTENT, THE REVISED, UM, COUPLE LETTER OF INTENT AND LOOKING AT YOUR PLANS, I SEE ON THE SITE PLANS THAT WE SAW TODAY THAT THE ROUNDABOUT [00:20:01] IS STILL PRESENT. SO I WAS JUST KIND OF CONFUSED ABOUT THAT. YEAH, IT CAN BE CONFUSING, UH, THAT CIRCLE, UH, ON THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THAT'S GONNA BE TALKING INTO THE MICRO, SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S CIRCLE IS THE EXISTING, UH, AREA THAT'S NOT PAVED. AND WE, IT, IT'S SHOWN THERE AS AN EXISTING, BUT IT'S GONNA BE DEMOLISHED. THOSE, UH, UM, CURB LINES, UH, THAT ARE, I GUESS I COULD SHOW. SO YOU CAN USE SOMETHING ELSE. THIS CIRCLE HERE, THAT'S NOW IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S DIRT AND IT'S GOING TO BE PAVED. OKAY. 'CAUSE I THOUGHT THERE WAS CURBING THERE. I WAS THERE THIS UNFORTUNATELY TWICE TODAY. UM, AND DID, COULD HAVE SWORN THAT WAS CURBING IT. IS IT? YEAH, THE EXISTING CURBING AND THE DEMOLITION PLAN IS NOT SHOWN HERE, BUT THAT CURBING, SORRY, THAT CURBING IS GONNA BE DEMOLISHED REMOVED. OKAY. AND THAT CIRCLE AREA IS GONNA BE PAVED OVER WITH ASPHALT. SO IT'S SHOWING AREAS OF NEW PAVEMENT WITHIN THE PARKING LOT. OH. SO THE GRAY IS THE PAVEMENT IS THE NEW PAVEMENT. AND WE'RE SAVING, SORRY, I, I COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT, . IT'S OKAY. OKAY. UM, AND THEN WE'VE HEARD, UM, FROM SEVERAL, SEVERAL RESIDENTS IN THE AREA, A LARGER CONCERN IN REGARDS TO THE NATIVE TREES. AND OF COURSE, IN THIS CORNER HERE WE HAVE SOME REALLY ESTABLISHED J PINE AND SOME PRETTY NICE VEGETATION WHERE THE EXTENSION IS FOR THE NEW PARKING SPACES. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE PLANS ARE WITH THOSE ESTABLISHED TREES AND YES. WHAT YOU WANNA DO WITH THAT? OKAY. SO IN ALL ALONG THIS AREA, THERE'S NO EARTHWORKS AT ALL. MM-HMM. . SO NO TREES WILL BE, UH, AFFECTED THERE. THIS AREA OF NEW PAVEMENT HERE. MM-HMM. , UH, THERE WILL BE A FEW TREES, UH, REMOVED AS A RESULT OF THAT MINIMAL EARTH WORKS THERE. AND NOW WHEN WE COME UP HERE, THIS IS THE NORTHERN PART OF THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE, UH, AREA. MM-HMM. . WE, WE DO HAVE SOME EARTHWORKS HERE. UH, ALL OF THE PAVED AREA HERE. AND THERE'S NOT MANY TREES ALONG THE HIGHWAY RIGHT THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT AREA YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK THIS, THIS AREA HERE WHERE THERE'S ESTABLISHED UNIFYING, NO, I'M ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THE, THE LOCATION THAT'S IN SOUTH, LET ME THINK. YEAH. SOUTH SOUTHWEST, CORNER SOUTH. SOUTHWEST SOUTH. IS THAT RIGHT? IS OVER HERE. OH, SOUTHEASTERN. SORRY. SOUTHEAST. YEAH. AGAIN, YEAH, THERE'LL BE A FEW. OKAY. THAT'LL BE REMOVED THERE. AND, UH, A FEW UP HERE AS WELL. THERE'S NO EARTH WORKS HERE. ALL OF THOSE, UH, EVERGREENS WILL BE, UH, SAVED IN THIS AREA. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, THIS, THIS AREA WHERE THERE'S EARTHWORKS AND THIS AREA WHERE THERE'S EARTHWORK, WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, TRYING TO SAVE AND ANYTHING, UM, MORE THAN A FOUR INCH DIAMETER. UM, AND WE CAN DO THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GONNA BE DOING EARTHWORKS BY KEEPING THE, UH, GRADE, UH, THE SAME UNDER THE CANOPY AND THEN SLOPING DOWN AT A THREE TO ONE OR UP ON A THREE TO ONE AF AFTER THE CANOPY. OKAY. SO WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN, BUT YES, IN THE, THOSE PA SOME OF THOSE PAVED AREAS, WE'LL BE LOSING SOME TREES. OKAY. YEAH. CAN I ASK A CLARIFICATION QUESTION? HOW MANY IS A FEW? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A COUNT ON THAT. OKAY. JUST NOW. MM-HMM. . OKAY. YEAH. SO THE PLAN THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE PUBLIC PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS THAT ONCE THEY'D START CONSTRUCTION, WE'D GO OUT THERE AND, UM, FIGURE OUT THE EXTENT OF THAT AND MARK ALL THE TREES THAT NEED TO BE SAVED AND WORK PRETTY CLOSELY WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE ALL THE CONSTRUCTION FENCING IS UP AND IN PLACE FOR IT DURING, TO SAVE THE TREES THAT NEED TO BE SAVED DURING CONSTRUCTION. RIGHT. BUT I MEAN, ANY TREES THAT ARE UNDER THOSE NEW SPOTS WON'T BE SAVED. RIGHT. ARE THEY GONNA BE RELOCATED? YEAH. LIKE HOW MANY? IT'S OFTEN WE'LL GET TREE COUNTS WHEN PROJECTS MOVE OR DESTROY TREES. SO I'M, I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF WE WERE GONNA GET A TREE COUNT OF LIKE HOW MANY ARE IN THOSE THAT PART OF THE PROJECT WE'RE DOING IN-HOUSE, BUT WE'RE THE LANDSCAPING WE'RE DOING IN-HOUSE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A ACCOUNT JUST YET. YEAH. THAT WAS JUST MY QUESTION. WELL, I'D LIKE TO EXPAND. DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP? GO AHEAD. YES. YEAH. AND A FOLLOW UP ON THE SAME THING. SO RIGHT NOW, ONE OF THE NICE THINGS WHEN YOU IS, WHEN YOU ARE DRIVING UP 1 79, YOU REALLY, YOU REALLY DON'T SEE THE PARKING LOT. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT BACK THERE. UM, WHICH WAS, IS CURRENTLY ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT IT. UM, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU COME INTO SEDONA IS THAT AREA WHEN YOU START TO OOH AND AWE. RIGHT. SO HOPEFULLY, UM, [00:25:02] THERE CAN BE SOME KIND OF VEGETATION THERE THAT KEEPS IT FROM LOOKING JUST LIKE A GLARING PARKING LOT. AND I MEAN, DO YOU KNOW IF THAT'S DOABLE FROM COMING, COMING NORTHBOUND? UH, IT'S, YOU CAN TAKE THAT. IT'S, I CAN TAKE OH. UM, YES. UM, ALL THESE TREES HERE WILL, WILL REMAIN, I THINK, I THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT COMING UP HERE AND SEEING, WELL, I'M TALKING DOWN WHERE THE NEW, UH, IN THE SOUTHERN PART. OH, DOWN HERE. THAT'S RIGHT. WHERE THE NEW PARKING IS GONNA BE. YEAH. THAT, THAT REALLY WON'T CHANGE TOO MUCH. 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NO RAISED CONSTRUCTION. IT'S JUST THE PAVEMENT AND NONE OF THESE TREES WILL BE TAKEN AWAY. THIS LOOK, THIS MAY APPEAR TO YOU THAT, THAT IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY, BUT THE HIGHWAY IS ACTUALLY OVER HERE IS A GOOD AT THIS PINCH POINT HERE, IF YOU WILL. IT'S ABOUT 30, 35 FEET FROM THE CURB LINE. AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'D BE TREES HERE. I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT UP HERE, UH, SEEING THE SHADE STRUCTURE AND THE, UH, RESTROOMS. SO WE BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH, UM, VEGETATION BETWEEN WHERE THERE ARE LIMITS OF THEIR NEW PARKING LOT AND EXISTING VEGETATION THAT WILL PROVIDE THAT SCREENING. BUT, UM, WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS THAT ONCE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS WRAPPING UP, THAT WE WOULD GO OUT THERE AND IF THERE'S MORE THAT'S NEEDED TO ADEQUATELY SCREEN THE PARKING LOT, THEY'LL BE ADDING IT. YEAH. TAGGING ONTO THE TREE QUESTION, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT MISSING PIECE OF INFORMATION. I MEAN, WHEN OTHER PROJECTS COME BEFORE US MM-HMM. , WE KNOW AT THIS POINT HOW MANY TREES ARE BEING REMOVED. AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, STANDARD PRACTICE SHOULD BE AP APPLICABLE TO THE CITY AS WELL. SO I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. THE OTHER CONCERN THAT, UM, RESIDENTS RAISED WAS THE REMOVAL OF THE VEGETATION AND THE IMPACTS BECAUSE IT WAS A SOUND BARRIER. MM-HMM. TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MM-HMM. . AND SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE HAS BEEN ANY SORT OF CONSIDERATION TO THAT OR STUDY TO THAT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. IF THAT'S REASONABLE AND IF IT IS REASONABLE, ARE WE CONSIDERING MAYBE PUTTING UP SOME SORT OF SOUNDPROOFING FOR THE RESIDENTS? WELL, AGAIN, WE, WE ARE STILL NOT, NOT, UH, AFFECTING THE, THE, THE TREE BUFFER THAT MUCH A NOISE STUDY WAS NOT DONE. YEAH. WE JUST FELT IT WAS A MINIMAL, MINIMAL INCREASE TO THE, I MEAN, I DON'T LIVE THERE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS RAISED BY SOMEONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT HOW IT PROVIDES A SOUND BARRIER NOW AND THEN IT WON'T WHEN WE EXPAND SOUTH AND WITHOUT A TREE COUNT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MINIMAL MEANS. YEAH. YOU KNOW? MM-HMM. , I JUST DON'T, BACK TO YOU. WHO ELSE WOULD LIKE TO GO? WELL, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. WE ALL TALKED, OH, WE STARTED WITH JOE. RIGHT. I STILL HAVE ONE MORE. YES. ONE MORE I PROMISE WE'LL RETURN TO YOU. WELL, I'M SURE I'LL HAVE MORE AGAIN, BUT, UH, ONE, USUALLY I DON'T TALK SO MUCH GUYS. SO, YOU KNOW, UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP, UH, FROM COMMUNITY MEMBER WAS ABOUT BUS CAPACITY. SO WE'VE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, BUT THE BUS CAN ONLY SEAT SO MANY PEOPLE. ARE WE GOING TO ARE, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S PLANS IN TRANSPORTATION TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF BUSES THAT COME TO THIS SPOT? UM, I THINK THE, THE FREQUENCY MIGHT CHANGE. THE NUMBER OF SEATS ON THE BUS IS NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYTIME SOON. NO. BUT THEY CAN'T INCREASE THE, THE FREQUENCY A BIT, BUT, UH, AGAIN, MINIMALLY. YEAH. BECAUSE THE CONCERN WAS THAT THERE ARE RES, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, HIKERS THAT COME IN AND PARK AND THEN THEY WAIT FOR THE BUS, THE BUS COMES AND THERE'S MORE THAN 55 PEOPLE TO GET ON THE BUS. AND SO PEOPLE WILL LEAVE, THEY'LL LEAVE THE PARKING AND TAKE THEIR CAR TO WHEREVER THEY'RE TAKING IT TO THE NEXT STOP. UM, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEMBER THAT KIND OF DID A COUNT OF HOW MANY PEOPLE LEFT. SO, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR CONCERN IS, HEY, WE ARE GONNA INCREASE TO 99 PARKING SPACES, YET WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO MOVE THAT MANY PEOPLE OUT OF THE PARKING LOT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD MORE BUS SERVICE WOULD MAKE SENSE. YOU KNOW, MY FREQUENCY TO GET THESE PEOPLE MOVED IN AND OUT. MM-HMM. . SO THAT, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER CONCERN YEAH. OF THE COMMUNITY. SO JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION OF INCREASING THE FREQUENCY OF THE, UH, NOT, NOT TO ME, BUT I CAN BRING THAT UP TO, TO TRANSIT DEPARTMENT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. CAN, WHAT IS THE EXISTING FREQUENCY? IS IT 20 MINUTES OR 30 MINUTES? I'M NOT QUITE SURE EXACTLY. I THINK IT'S 20 MINUTES. LEMME LOOK. I THINK IT'S 20 OR 25. THERE'S A SIGN WITH TIMES ON IT, BUT I DIDN'T PAY MUCH ATTENTION TO THAT ON THE PARKING LOT. MM. OKAY. SO YOU THINK IT'S 20 TO 25 MINUTES? [00:30:01] MM-HMM, . OKAY. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. IS THAT IT, CARRIE? 15 LOOKS, LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 15. 15 USUALLY. IS IT 15 MM-HMM. SO, EXPANDING FREQUENCY, IF I CAN PILE ON THERE WOULD BE WHAT? WELL AGAIN, IT WOULD BE MINIMAL. UH, MAYBE THEY COULD GO TO, YOU KNOW, 13 MINUTES. I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT PART OF THE TRANSIT GROUP, BUT I THINK THEY'VE TRIED TO, UH, OPTIMIZE IT, UH, WITH HIS 15 MINUTES TAKING INTO ACCOUNT HOW LONG IT TAKES THEM TO DRIVE DOWN TOBACCA BEYOND TRAILHEAD AND THEN COME UP, UH, COME BACK. CARRIE, WAS MR. WEBER PLANNING ON ATTENDING OR WAS HE INVITED TO THIS MEETING? I, WE DID NOT INVITE HIM. OKAY. JOE, HAVE YOU FINISHED UP? YES, I'M DONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. DO YOU WANNA WORK DOWN? YES. OKAY. UM, I JUST, WELL, I HAVE A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS. ONE OF THE FIRST ONES I HAVE IS, I NOTICED ON THE TITLE BLOCK THAT THIS IS, THIS PLAN HAS BEEN TO ADOT SINCE LAST YEAR, SINCE LAST OCTOBER. AND IT'S ALREADY MOVED TO PERMIT REVIEWS AND BID SETS. DO WE USUALLY SEE SOMETHING THAT LATE IN THE GAME AFTER IT'S BEING FULLY DESIGNED LIKE THAT? SO IN GENERAL, WHEN APPLICANTS COME TO US, YES. THEIR PROJECTS ARE DESIGNED AND BECAUSE YOU GUYS ASK QUESTIONS, , SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED A MORE FULL DESIGN IN ORDER TO SHOW YOU WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. OH, OKAY. I JUST FEEL LIKE WE WOULD'VE SEEN IT OR IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO HAVE SEEN IT SOONER. 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALREADY BEEN ESSENTIALLY APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, LET'S SEE. OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE, UH, SINCE WE'RE INCREASING THE PARKING COUNT, ARE WE INCREASING OUR A DA SPOTS? UM, I, I THINK, UH, WE'VE INCREASED IT BY ONE. WHATEVER THE PERCENTAGE IS. IT'S OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS CAPTURED. AND THEN THAT BEND, I'M ASSUMING THERE HAS BEEN SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC STUDY FOR WHEN, UM, THE BUS LANE COMES ONTO 1 79 AS FAR AS SIGHT LINES AROUND THE CORNER? WELL, WE DID STUDY THAT WE DID NOT DO A, A SEPARATE, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT STATEMENT OR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. OKAY. 'CAUSE AGAIN, THE, UH, TRAFFIC DOES NOT GET IN INCREASED, BUT, UH, I WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SITE LINE COMING AROUND THAT CORNER. YEAH, IT, WELL, IT'S AN EXISTING, UH, TURNOUT FOR BUSES RIGHT NOW. MM-HMM. . AND WE ARE, UH, JUST, UH, WIDENING THAT A LITTLE BIT SO THEY HAVE A BIT MORE ROOM RIGHT NOW. WHAT YOU THINKING THROUGH? I THINK WE'VE INCREASED THE WIDTH OF THAT. I'M THINKING ABOUT PEOPLE COMING AROUND THE BEND ON 1 79 NORTH, THE SOUTH THE HIGHWAY. MM-HMM. HEADING SOUTH AND THEN, RIGHT. YEAH. AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME SITE. WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT SITE DISTANCE AND IT'S ACCEPTABLE NOW FOR, UH, OKAY. COTTONWOOD AREA TRANSIT, WHO STOPS THERE? OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS SAFE. IF I COULD INTERJECT REAL QUICK. I HAVEN'T YOUR ANSWER TO YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION. THAT BASED UPON THE 99 PARKING SPACES, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE FOUR FOUR A DA PARKING SPACES. AWESOME. OKAY. AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA DO A FULL ASPHALT OVERLAY SO EVERYTHING WILL LOOK NICE AND CLEAN AND NEW. YES. AND RES STRIPING. YES. GREAT. WHAT ABOUT, UM, A BIKE REPAIR STATION? WE, WE HAVE 10 BIKE UH, SPOTS. MM-HMM. . AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A DRINKING FOUNTAIN WITH UH, TOP AND BOTTOM WATER. MM-HMM. , UM, THE SHADE STRUCTURE AND, UH, THE RESTROOMS AS FAR AS BIKE REPAIR, THAT COULD BE ADDED TO WHERE, WHERE WE ARE HAVING THE PARKING, UH, CONTRAPTIONS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. JUST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GO OUT, BIKING, COME BACK ON THE SHUTTLE AND THEN IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM OR YEAH. THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. UM, LET'S SEE. DO WE HAVE THOSE ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY, SARAH? YEAH, WE DO. WE DO. YEAH. WE HAVE ONE RIGHT AT THE END OF MY STREET. IS THERE ONE THUNDER MOUNTAIN? YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. YOU, IT'S GREAT. I SEE IT USED BY THE WAY QUITE FREQUENTLY, . SO THAT'S HELP. THAT'S A HELPFUL AMENITY . UM, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE ENGINEERING PLAN, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THAT. I NOTICED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RESTROOM AND THE SHADE STRUCTURE THAT'S CALLING FOR CURB ALONG THAT SIDE, WHICH IS WHERE THE SHUTTLE'S GONNA BE COMING IN. AND I'M JUST WONDERING HOW A DA IS GONNA GET ONTO THAT SHUTTLE. I DON'T KNOW IF A CURB RAMP NEEDS TO BE IMPLEMENTED. 'CAUSE ON [00:35:01] THE WEST SIDE IT CALLS FOR A FLUSH CURB, BUT ON THE EAST SIDE IT'S CALLING OUT FOR A RAISED CURB. SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO FLAG THAT. OH, AS YEAH, I'LL, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT'S YEAH. ACCORDING TO A DA. YEAH, EXACTLY. 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET ON THE SHUTTLE SOMEHOW. ALSO, I WANTED TO KNOW IF IT WOULD BE FEASIBLE. THE NEW SEWER LINE THAT WE'RE BRINGING DOWN TO THE NEW RESTROOMS IS GOING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF, UM, THE SHUTTLE LANE. AND I'M WONDERING IF WE COULDN'T JUST SHIFT IT EAST INTO THE LANDSCAPE AREA IN CASE THERE'S ANY SORT OF PROBLEMS. WE DON'T HAVE TO DIG UP THE ROAD AND CREATE A, YOU KNOW, CLOSE THAT LANE DOWN IN CASE WE HAVE BUSES. YEAH, THAT'S A COMMENT, COMMENT, SUGGESTION TO THE, TO THE, UH, CONSULTANT AS WELL TO KEEP IT ON THE AREA LANDSCAPE SIDE. YEAH. 'CAUSE IT'D BE EASIER TO REACH IF THERE'S A PROBLEM. YEAH. UM, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN A WHILE, BUT DID WE EVER PUT IN LOCAL TRAFFIC ONLY SIGNS ON THAT ENTRY DRIVE THERE? BOING? NO. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SUGGESTED IN OUR FIRST MEETING WAY BACK WHEN THAT THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TRY AND PREVENT OR AT LEAST DETER TRAFFIC FROM GOING FURTHER UP, BO BOING IS PUTTING TRAFFIC, LOCAL TRAFFIC ONLY SIGNS. MM-HMM. . AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER, BECAUSE AGAIN, SOME CONCERNS CAME UP AS FAR AS TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. OKAY, SURE. I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. AND THEN, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE? UM, OH, IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION THAT THIS IS GONNA GO TO FULL-TIME AS OPPOSED TO JUST THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY? UM, NO, NOT AT THIS MOMENT, NO. IT, IT IS FULL-TIME DURING HEAVIER, LIKE SPRING BREAK TIMES AND THAT SORT OF THING. OKAY. BUT NOT YEAR, YEAR ROUND AT THIS POINT? YEAH. NOT YEAR ROUND. OKAY. MOST OF THE YEAR IT'S JUST THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. OKAY. OH, LAST QUESTION. THE PARKING SPOTS. IF YOU GO TO THE LEFT DIAGRAM, I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY WITH THE CONSULTANT AT THE VERY END OF THE PARKING LOT, THOSE LAST TWO SPACES. MM-HMM. . UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M TALL ENOUGH TO POINT. WE SHOULD HAVE A POINTER UP HERE. HUH. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN I USED TO DO TRAFFIC DESIGN, SOMETHING LIKE THIS A LOT OF TIMES ISN'T, CAN BE PROBLEMATIC, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE A LONGER TRUCK IN HERE. SARAH, I LOVE THAT YOU'RE POINTING IT OUT, BUT WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY OF YOUR COMMENTS, . OH, I WAS JUST, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE WHOEVER DESIGNED THE STRIPING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE LAST TWO SPACES AGAIN. 'CAUSE THAT LOTS OF TIMES CAN BE A PROBLEMATIC IN AND OUT, ESPECIALLY IF ONE OF THEM IS LONGER, IT'LL BLOCK IN THE OTHER GUY. USUALLY WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS LIKE A FIVE FOOT STRIPING AREA AND THEN THE FIRST PARKING SPOT. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. TO SEE. THAT WAS IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, CHARLOTTE. OKAY. I, I'D LIKE TO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT. UM, AND I ACTUALLY THINK, UH, IF MR. WEBER HAD BEEN HERE, HE MIGHT'VE BEEN A BETTER PERSON TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS OF. YEAH. BUT GUESS WHAT? YOU'RE STUCK. SO, SO I, I READ THIS AND I THOUGHT, OKAY, WHAT IS THE DEMONSTRATED NEED HERE? UM, WHERE DID THIS IDEA COME FROM? WHAT'S, WHAT'S BROKEN THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED? UM, IS, YOU KNOW, IS IT, ARE THERE BACKUPS? ARE THERE BACKUPS INTO 1 79? ARE THERE BACKUPS ONTO BOW STRING? ARE THERE, IS THERE AN INTENT? WE'VE ALREADY ASKED THIS, BUT TO INCREASE THE FREQUENCY, I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW YOU COULD HAVE IT MORE FREQUENTLY THAN 15 MINUTES. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT JETS TAKING OFF OR SOMETHING. SO, UM, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S DRIVING THIS TO USE THE FIRST PUN OF THE EVENING. UM, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? WELL, ONE BIG IMPROVEMENT IS THE BUS SLIP LANE TO SEPARATE THE BUS TRAFFIC. OKAY. DO WE HAVE, I'M SORRY. YOU'RE, I UNDERSTAND HOW IT WOULD BE EFFICACIOUS FOR, FOR BUSES. MM-HMM. , WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF BUSES THAT COME IN VERSUS CARS? UM, HAS THERE BEEN AN INCREASE? IS THERE NO. A REQUEST BY THE HOTELS? JUST THAT WHEN THE BUSES, THE WAY IT RUNS NOW, THE BUSES COME INTO THE PARKING LOT AND YOU'VE GOT YOUR CARS COMING INTO THE PARKING LOT LOOKING FOR A PARKING SPACE AND THERE'S NOT A PARKING SPACE. AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THEY HAVE TO TURN AROUND HOPEFULLY AT THE, AT THE ROUNDABOUT THAT WE HAVE. BUT OFTENTIMES THEY'LL TRY AND DO A, A K TURN BEFORE THE ROUNDABOUT. AND, UH, THE BUSES HAVE TO GO IN, THEY HAVE TO GO AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT AND THEN PARK, UH, IN A, WHAT WOULD BE A PARKING SPACE, UH, TO, UH, TO GET THE, THE, UM, AND, AND I GET THAT AND IT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF ANECDOTAL. I'M WONDERING, WELL, HAVE THERE BEEN COUNTS OF THIS? DO [00:40:01] WE REALLY KNOW HOW FREQUENTLY THIS IS OCCURRING? IS IT EVERY DAY? 15 TIMES? I MEAN, IT'S JUST A GOOD, UH, SEPARATION OF TRAFFIC. THE OTHER THING WE WANTED TO DO IS PROVIDE RESTROOMS AND A SHADE STRUCTURE. WELL, YOU WANTED TO DO THAT BEFORE? YES. OKAY. . OH, YES, GO AHEAD. THAT'S TRUE. UM, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. UM, I, I JUST, UM, AND AGAIN, I KNOW YOU'RE THE ENGINEER. YOU'RE NOT THE GENESIS OF WHY SOMEBODY CAME TO YOU AND SAID, LET'S DO THESE THINGS. BUT WHO WAS THAT AND WHY? HOW BIG IS THE PROBLEM? BECAUSE I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THE, THE APPEARANCE, WHAT EVERYBODY SAID HERE ABOUT THE APPEARANCE. UM, WE HAVE THE CHURCH, WHICH HAS SET BACK A LITTLE BIT. WE HAVE A VERY NICE RESIDENTIAL AREA THERE. WE HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL, WHICH HAS BEEN MM-HMM, , LET'S JUST SAY PROBLEMATIC FOR YEARS. , THAT'S PERCHED ON AN, ON ANOTHER, THE, THE NEXT ROUNDABOUT. UM, AND IT WAS A VERY OBSCURED PARKING LOT THERE. IF THAT GOES AWAY WITH THAT BIG STRIP OF, UH, SLIP LANE, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE AFFECTED ON THE MORE SOUTHERN PART. BUT THAT SLIP LANE, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, ON A, A VIEW INTO THE PARKING LOT. IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE COMPLETE, UH, COMPLEXION OF THAT AREA FROM BEING BASICALLY RESIDENTIAL WITH SOME ANCHORS TO BEING A, A MUCH MORE ACTIVE LOOKING NON-RESIDENTIAL LOOK. AND THAT'S, UH, I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO THAT UNLESS THERE'S A REAL DEMONSTRATED NEED. AND I DON'T SEE FROM ENGINEERING, YOU KNOW, THAT EVIDENCE. SO I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE. UM, AND THE, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT MAYBE THE FREQUENCY WOULD INCREASE, BUT IN THE DOCUMENT ON PAGE NINE, IT SAYS, THIS USE WILL NOT GENERATE ADDITIONAL DEMAND, BUT PROVIDE A SERVICE FOR EXISTING DEMAND. SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY TO INCREASE FREQUENT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN READ THAT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS. UM, WELL, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THE FREQUENCY. LIKE, I, LIKE I SAY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TIED TO THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO GET TO THE TRAIL HEAD AND BACK. RIGHT. AND SO THIS FREQUENCY MIGHT BE THE OPTIMUM AS IT IS NOW. THE OPTIMUM AS IT IS, RIGHT? YEAH. I SUSPECT IT IS. UM, MAYBE THEY WANT TO DO IT FOR, YOU KNOW, MORE DAYS OF THE WEEK. I DON'T KNOW. BUT THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, RIGHT? IT'S MORE, IT'S NOT THE PARKING SPACES, IT'S THAT SLIP LANE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BOTHERING ME AND, AND WHAT IT DOES TO THE LOOKS OF THE THING. UM, WE'RE NOT DOING A DESIGN REVIEW AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY. UM, THERE'S SO MANY ASPECTS OF THIS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ILLUSTRATIONS OF WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE FROM ACROSS 1 79 TO SEE WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE MM-HMM. REMOVAL OF THE TREES ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE, AND ANY ALTERNATIVES FOR THAT. UM, ARE THE PARKING SPACES ALL THE SAME SIZE? 'CAUSE IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY MORE PARKING SPACES YOU'RE ABLE TO FIT IN THERE. UM, UH, YES. IT'S THE, THEY'RE THE SAME SIZE. THE, UH, THE PERPENDICULAR ONES WE DO ARE GOING, UH, AT THE SOUTHERN END, WE'RE GOING TO DIAGONAL PARKING. UH, SO THEY'RE DIFFERENT SHAPED, UH, IN SIZE. AND WHAT ARE, I HAD A VERY HARD TIME READING, UM, DIMENSIONS ON THIS. I COULD SEE SOME DIMENSIONS, BUT NOT ALL. I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE SETBACK WAS FROM THE ROAD AND AGAIN, HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW CLOSE THIS WAS ALL GOING TO APPEAR. SO YEAH, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, UM, THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF MY CRITICISMS TOO, THAT THE ROAD IS, ISN'T REALLY SHOWN HERE. IT IS SHOWN, UH, IT'S KIND OF GRAYED OUT, BUT IN THIS OVERHEAD YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT. BUT IN CARRIE'S, UH, HANDOUT, I, I COULD SEE THE ROAD THERE, THE, THE ORTHO PHOTO OF THE ROAD. AND AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT, I THINK ABOUT 35 FEET. WELL, IF YOU TELL ME THAT'S NOT CHANGING, THEN OKAY, FINE. IT'S MORE THE, OH NO, IT IS, IT IS CHANGING, UH, THE, UH, THIS DISTANCE FROM HERE TO THE ROAD. SEE, IT'S, IT'S QUITE GENEROUS HERE NOW. BUT WE ARE INCREASING, UH, THE PAVEMENT, [00:45:02] UH, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PARKING LOT DOES ENCROACH INTO HERE. LIKE I SAID, INITIALLY I WAS HOPING TO SEE, UH, LIKE A BEFORE AND AFTER, SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD LOOK AT 'EM SIDE BY SIDE AND WE DIDN'T DO THE SITE VISIT. SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST REALLY CAN'T TELL HOW INTRUSIVE IT'S GOING TO LOOK. AND SO WHAT WOULD, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S ABOUT 35 FEET AFTER THE EXTENSION OF THE PARKING LOT? UH, YES. THE, THE, THE NEW, UH, FOOTPRINT OR THE NEW, UH, EDGE OF PAVEMENT IS, IS OUT TO ABOUT HERE, WHEREAS NOW IT'S ABOUT HERE. RIGHT. BUT IS THAT, ARE YOU, SO IT'S, WHERE'S THE 35 FEET? UH, FROM, FROM FROM 1 79? YEAH. FROM HERE TO HERE, APPROXIMATELY TO THE SIDEWALK. AND ON THAT PHO, UM, AERIAL PHOTO, WHERE WILL THE SLIP LANE COME IN? UH, AND SO THEREFORE NO TREES SEE THIS EXISTING, UM, BUS PULL OUT HERE? MM-HMM. THAT'S WHERE THE SLIP LANE COMES ALONG LIKE THIS AND JUST MARRIES INTO THAT EXISTING, UH, PULLOUT. OKAY. SO WHERE WILL THE TREES BE COMING OUT? THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME OUT FROM THAT UPPER LOOP, YOU SAID? UH, YEAH. NOT THERE, BUT, UH, WHEREVER WE HAVE THAT SLIP LANE, IF THERE'S ANY TREES IN THE WAY OF THAT SLIP LANE, THEY'D, THEY'D BE REMOVED. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, CAN YOU GO BACK DOWN TO THE BOTTOM AERIAL? YOU CAN SEE THOSE ARE PRETTY MATURE TREES THAT WILL BE PULLED OUT. RIGHT, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE SLIP LANE IS DOWN THAT FAR. NO, IT'S, NO, BUT THE, THE PARKING. BUT THE PARKING EXTENDED PARKING. PARKING, YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. CHARLOTTE. WILL, WELL, I MIGHT HAVE A QUESTION. UM, THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING, UH, RV CHARGERS AND I DON'T SEE ANY HERE. DID I MISS IT? NO. UH, IT'S THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF, UH, THE IDEA OF PROVIDING RV CHARGERS. WE RV OR EV EV EV. EXCUSE ME. YEAH. OH, LITTLE RV . WOULD THEY BE THE SAME CHARGERS? THEY JUST WOULDN'T FIT? YEAH. UM, YEAH, AGAIN, EV CHARGERS, UH, WE COULD POSSIBLY ADD THAT IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT'S NOT A PART OF THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD LAST TIME. SO THAT CONTINUES TO BE THE CASE. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THE POSSIBILITY DOWN THE ROAD THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ANOTHER CHANGE YET TO THIS. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE EV CHARGERS. IT'S NOT PROPOSED NOW. OKAY. CAN I PROPOSE IT ? YEAH. THANK YOU. CAN I, CAN I JUST SECOND THAT PROPOSAL BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PARKED THERE FOR HOURS. IT'S AN IDEAL TIME TO BE ABLE TO CHARGE. RIGHT? THANK YOU. CAN YOU CHARGE MONEY FOR EV CHARGERS? YEAH, THEY DO. THEY DO? YEAH. OKAY. I COLLIE. YEAH. SO MOST OF THE QUESTIONS I CAME IN WITH WERE TRANSIT QUESTIONS. MM-HMM. . SO I, I'M GONNA SKIP THEM. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THE, I THINK THEY'RE TOO DETAILED TO, I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED. TRANSIT ISN'T HERE. 'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS A TRANSIT PROJECT. MM-HMM. . UM, TO ME IT'S A, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ENOUGH WORKING KNOWLEDGE OF THE SHUTTLE SYSTEM TO UNDERSTAND, I, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE SLIP LANE. I TOTALLY GET THAT CAR BUS INTERACTION IS PROBABLY AWFUL. UM, BUT WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE INFO, IS HOW OFTEN IS THIS LOT FULL? YEAH. WHAT, HOW MANY DAYS, HOW MANY HOURS IS THIS LOT FULL? WELL, THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY IT'S, IT'S PRETTY FULL. ESPECIALLY IN THE PEAK SEASON. LIKE I SAY, PEOPLE COME IN, DO YOU HAVE A STUDY THAT GIVES US DAYS THAT IT WAS FULL YET? LIKE WE, LIKE WE HAD THE PARKING STUDY FOR UPTOWN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YEAH. WE, WE CAN PROBABLY GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION. WHAT, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE DAYS OFF SEASON? THEY'RE FULL, UH, ON SEASON. THEY'RE FULL, UH, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. UH, OFF SEASON. MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY. NO, BUT THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY OFF AND FULL. BUT I CAN GIVE YOU SPECIFICALLY, UH, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW BEFORE WE MM-HMM. MAKE [00:50:01] A DECISION ON EXPANSION. MM-HMM. . BECAUSE IF THIS LOT, I'M JUST GONNA SAY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL STUDY IS NEVER FULL. I KNOW DURING HIGH SEASON, THAT'S PROBABLY UNLIKELY, BUT WITH THE DATA I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME, I DON'T KNOW. THEN THE EXTRA SPOTS AREN'T NEEDED. THOSE TREES AREN'T NEEDED TO BE CUT DOWN, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. UM, SO I'M HAVING A HARD TIME. UH, WE WERE TOLD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO HOLD THE CITY PROJECTS TO THE STANDARDS. WE HOLD EVERYONE ELSE'S PROJECTS, LIKE VERY CLEARLY. AND I'M HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME, NOT ONE, NOT BEING ABLE TO ASK A BUNCH OF MY QUESTIONS. AND TWO, WITH THE, THE LACK OF INFORMATION. 'CAUSE IF WE SAY YES TO THIS PROJECT, ALL THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, WE NEVER GET TO SEE AGAIN, WE NEVER GET TO FOLLOW UP. IF THERE WAS EV CHARGING, WE NEVER GET TO FOLLOW UP ON, UM, IF THE CURB WAS FIXED OR, OR WHATEVER, WHERE IF THIS WAS A DEVELOPMENT THING, WE'D HAVE PEOPLE, WE'D HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IT AGAIN. SO I'M JUST, I'M HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME. I GET, I GET WHY THIS PROJECT? WELL, YOU WANNA GET DONE THE STUFF THAT WE'VE ALREADY SAID YES TO. BATHROOMS, WATER. MM-HMM, GREAT. IF YOU'RE GONNA BE THERE, YOU MIGHT AS WELL DO THE THINGS THAT NEED DONE. I'M JUST NOT, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING GIVEN ENOUGH INFORMATION TO ADD TO THE PROJECT, EVEN IF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL IN CONSENSUS THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEA. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION. SO I'M REALLY, I'M JUST STRUGGLING. UM, AND MY QUESTIONS WITHOUT TRANSIT WILL BE LEFT UNANSWERED. SO IS THERE A WAY, OR, AND I DON'T KNOW, THIS IS A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. IS THERE A WAY FOR THIS TO BE CONTINUED LIKE THIS ITEM? OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE DECIDED UPON TODAY? NO, JOE, WE CAN CONTINUE IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A, A DECISION. OKAY. TO DATE CERTAIN. OKAY. MM-HMM. , DID YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT? OKAY. UH, YOU HAVE SOMETHING? WELL, I, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT, AND I KNOW THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DO IT IN HOUSE, UH, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE PERHAPS A RENDERING OF BEFORE AND AFTER FROM STREET VIEW WOULD BE, UM, HELPFUL. YEAH. SO I HAVE A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THEN. OBSERVATIONS. UM, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW THE ESTIMATED BUDGET FOR THE PROJECT? UH, CONSTRUCTION BUDGET IS, UH, 1.3 MILLION. AND HOW LONG WOULD THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION PERIOD LAST? I'M THINKING ABOUT FOUR MONTHS. AND AT THAT TIME, YOU WOULD PICK A, A DOWNTIME TO DO THE WORK, PRESUMABLY IN TERMS OF VISITATION AND SHUTTLE USE? IT'S SCHEDULED NOW TO GO LIKE FROM MARCH THROUGH TO, UH, JULY TO THE END OF THE FISCAL 25 MARCH. MARCH TO JULY, YOU SAID? OF THIS YEAR? OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, YEAH. SO YEAH. OF 2025. YEAH. OKAY. SOUNDS LIKE SPRING BREAK PEAK . . IT SURE DOES. UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS FOR THE BATHROOMS? THEY WERE PROMISED TO US THAT THE LAST COP YES, WE DO. YOU DO? YEAH. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE 'EM TODAY? UH, WE DO HAVE THEM. WE JUST HAVEN'T SUBMITTED THEM TO YOU. YOU, I GUESS. OKAY. BUT YEAH, WE'VE SUBMITTED THEM TO CALM DEV. OKAY. UM, HOLLY TALKED ABOUT, UH, RIDERSHIP, AND THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS AS WELL. WHAT SORT OF RECORDED DATA DO WE HAVE ON RIDER VOLUME BY SEASON AND BY A YEAR? MM-HMM. . AND ANY PROJECTIONS THAT THE DEPARTMENT MIGHT HAVE MET MADE ABOUT INCREASED USE? AGAIN, I'LL HAVE TO GET ROBERT WEBER TO, UH, ANSWER THAT. OKAY. PROJECTIONS. ALL RIGHT. UM, I'VE INTERACTED WITH THE, THIS PARKING LOT FROM TIME TO TIME, BOTH COMING AND GOING, AND ALSO WITH THE TRAFFIC ASSISTANCE THAT ARE THERE. AND, UM, SOMETIMES IT'S BLAZING HOT, SOMETIMES IT'S RAINING, SOMETIMES IT'S FREEZING COLD AND THEY'RE OUT THERE. SO, UH, EVEN IF WE DON'T PERHAPS GO FORWARD WITH THE FULL, UH, REQUEST THAT THE, UH, CITY HAS MADE FOR TODAY, I THINK THEY NEED SOME ACCOMMODATION AND MAYBE THAT THAT COULD COME FROM UNDER THE, UH, SHADE STRUCTURE. UH, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT EVEN IF THEY JUST HAVE PROTECTION BESIDES THE PLASTIC, UH, UH, TENT THAT YOU MIGHT TAKE TO THE BEACH, THEY'RE PROB THEY HAVE LIKE THE ONES AT TILAK, THEY ARE BEATEN DOWN BY THE ELEMENTS. IT'D BE NICE FOR THEM TO BE ACCOMMODATED. I DON'T THINK A DRINKING FOUNTAIN REALLY, I DON'T, I HAVE A HARD TIME JUSTIFYING A DRINKING FOUNTAIN, BUT I WOULDN'T, UM, A BOTTLE REFILL STATION AND THAT, AND WITH THAT, I WOULD HOPE [00:55:01] THAT THEY'D STOP PASSING OUT PLASTIC BOTTLES OF WATER EVERY TIME A VISITOR, UH, HOPS ON THE BUS. I DUNNO WHAT THAT COST IS, BUT IT'S A REALLY BAD MESSAGE. UM, HANDING OUT PLASTIC WATER BOTTLES. WE DO THAT. WHAT'S THAT? WE DO THAT. YEAH, WE DO THAT. BUT I CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, AND THEY COME OFF THE CATHEDRAL ROCK TRAIL AND THEY'RE SWEATING AND THEY'RE HOT AND YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I THINK IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE THEIR OWN WATER AND LET'S HELP 'EM REFILL THOSE BOTTLES IF WE CAN. THAT'S NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THEIR SUSTAINABILITY. WHAT'S THAT? I SAID THAT'S NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH SUSTAINABILITY. EXACTLY. YEAH. YEAH. BUT WATER FILLING STATION WOULD BE GREAT. UH, LET'S SEE. I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR NOW. OKAY. IF WE ARE EXHAUSTED OVER QUESTIONS OF STAFF FOR NOW, I JUST HAVE GO TO THE PUBLIC. I JUST HAVE ONE MORE. OH, SARAH, I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW, LIKE THE LESSONS WE'VE LEARNED OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. AND I KNOW THAT WE, THE REPORT SAID THAT WE'VE RECEIVED MINIMAL COMPLAINTS, BUT I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT THOSE WERE, THAT WE ACTUALLY DID RECEIVE COMPLAINTS OR, OR COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD? COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH, IT'S, THE REPORT SAID THAT THERE'S BEEN MINIMAL COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT MM-HMM. IT SAID THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW, SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THOSE MAY HAVE BEEN. WELL, I KNOW OF ONE IN, IN 22, WHEN WE OPENED UP IN MARCH, THERE WAS SOME PERCEPTION THAT PERHAPS, UH, THE, UH, GOOGLE MAPS WAS NAVIGATING PEOPLE, UH, OFF, INSTEAD OF GOING TO BO STRING ROAD TO THE PARKING LOT, THEY WERE GOING FROM ARROW ROAD. THEY WERE BEING DIRECTED THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OKAY. TO THE PARKING LOT. SO WE APPROACHED, UH, GOOGLE MAPS AND WE CHANGED THE LABELING. MM-HMM. OF THE, UH, OF THE PARKING LOT TO, TO BE CALLED, NOT BOLSTERING, BUT UH, UH, UH, SR 1 79 PARKING RIDE. MM-HMM. . AND NOW THE, IT DOESN'T, UH, NAVIGATE YOU THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD. IT GOES STRAIGHT FROM BOING TO THE PARKING LOT. UH, NOW THAT WAS A PERCEIVED RIGHT COMMENT, UH, ISSUE, BUT IT WASN'T REALLY PROVEN THAT IT REALLY HAPPENED MUCH, BUT IT MIGHT HAVE. OKAY. BUT WE, WE DID CORRECT THAT, THAT WAS ONE THING. UM, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY NOISE COMPLAINTS OR TRAFFIC COMPLAINTS OR TRASH COMPLAINTS OR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT? HASN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING? YEAH. OKAY. I CAN COMMENT ON A LITTLE BIT OF THAT IF THAT'S OKAY. UM, I DID PULL, I DID REQUEST RECORDS FROM THE POLICE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH SHARING WITH ME. UM, AND THERE HAVE BEEN, I BELIEVE, FOUR TRAFFIC RELATED, SO QUEUING RELATED COMPLAINTS TO THE POLICE SINCE OPENING. OKAY, THANKS. AND THE, THE CITY'S OWN PUBLICATION THAT'S HANDED OUT ON THE, UM, ON THE SHUTTLES THEMSELVES DOES HAVE BO STRING ON IT, WHICH IS NOT A GOOD THING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT HAS LIKE THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED OR IS 'CAUSE THAT IT'S, IT'S ON THE MAP, CARRIE. IT'S UM, IT SHOWS THAT IT, UM, DESIGNATED BO STRING TO 1 79 TO PARK AND RIDE ON. WELL, SO, WE'LL WE DO HAVE TO HAVE THAT BECAUSE THAT LOT IS ACCESSED ON BO STRING AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE THEY HAVE TO TURN OFF OF 1 79 ONTO BO STRINGING TO GET TO THE LOT. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER AGAIN. OKAY. THANK YOU CARRIE. OKAY, LET'S OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. I ONLY HAVE ONE CARD. IS THAT POSSIBLE? OKAY. UM, ALTHEA JOHNSON, I ATHEA, IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND THERE'S A TIMER OVER HERE. HI, I AM ATHEA JOHNSON. I LIVE ON BOWRING DRIVE. UM, I DID SEND A MESSAGE EXTENSIVELY WITH CONCERNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND I DON'T WANNA REPEAT THINGS YOU'VE ALREADY SAID, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAVE PUT MY OWN ADDRESS OR I HAVE USED GOOGLE MAPS, APPLE MAPS, DIFFERENT MAPS, AND I HAVE BEEN ROUTED THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO IT DOES HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY DURING BUSY SEASONS. UM, ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT, YEAH, A WATER, A WATER FOUNTAIN IS ESSENTIALLY USELESS. I DON'T USE THEM. I FIND THEM DIRTY. IT SHOULD BE A WATER FILLING STATION. AND IF IT IS, THEN THAT IS IN LINE WITH SUSTAINABILITY ISSUES. ANOTHER THING, UM, THE GATE GETS LEFT OPEN A LOT. MM-HMM. . THERE HAS BEEN [01:00:01] AN INCREASE IN TRASH, ESPECIALLY ON ARROW AND A LITTLE BIT ON BOW STRING. UM, THE, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN CARS THAT PARK SPEC EXPLICITLY IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE. WE HAVE KIND OF THE MOST CLEARED AREA, UM, ALONG THE STREET. UM, THE GOLF CART HAS RECENTLY STARTED DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD INSTEAD OF ON 1 79. I'M HOME A LOT DURING THE DAY, SO I SEE THESE THINGS HAPPEN. UM, AND OH, ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS, UH, OH, I HAD THIS PLAN, BUT NOW I'VE CHANGED EVERYTHING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING. OKAY. THE BYPASS LANE SEEMS REASONABLE. I THINK IT'S A POSITIVE. I THINK IT'S SUPPORTED WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, PUT THE BATHROOM IN, GET RID OF THE PORTA-POTTIES. PUT THE WATER FILLING STATION IN, NOT A WATER FOUNTAIN. PUT THE RAMADA IN, MAKE IT SHADY. BUT INCREASING THE PARKING LOT AND TAKING AWAY THOSE OLD GROWTH TREES. IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY THERE'S NO TREES ALONG THERE, ESPECIALLY IN THAT MIDDLE PART. THERE'S TONS MM-HMM. AND THEY ARE OLD GROWTH AND THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL AND IT REALLY WOULD BE A LOSS. I SEE THAT IF WE LOSE THE TREES FOR THE BYPASS LANE, POTENTIALLY WE COULD PUT IN, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE TREES, BUT MAYBE AN ART SCULPTURE OR SOMETHING ON THE CORNER THAT STILL MAKES IT AN APPEALING ENTRANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT MY CONCERN THAT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP IS THAT THERE'S NO SIDEWALK CONSIDERATION. MM-HMM. ALONG 1 79 ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. SO A LOT OF PEOPLE WALK THIS LOOP THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY'RE NOT HERE 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T BE HERE, OR THEY DID NOT GET A LETTER, EVEN THOUGH YOU SAY, AM I WANNA BELIEVE YOU CARRIED, BUT THEY DIDN'T GET LETTERS, UM, TO PEOPLE WHO ARE OUTSIDE. THAT 300 TOLD ME EXPLICITLY. SO I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW. ALSO, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS OVERTURNED AND, UH, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE DO NOT LIVE THERE FULL-TIME OR ONE OF THE FEW, BUT A, A SIDEWALK TO CONNECT 1 79 AND THEN JUST PASSED THE SHUTTLE ENTRANCES, UM, IS SOMETHING I THINK SHOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED IN THIS. SO THERE'S SUPPORT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE BYPASS LANE. THERE'S SUPPORT FOR EXPANSION, BUT THERE IS NOT SUPPORT FOR THE LOSS OF THE OLD GROWTH TREES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LOT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE ARE NOT SEEING THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING BASED ON RIDERSHIP AVAILABILITY WITH THE SHUTTLES. MM-HMM. , UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR READING MY VERY LONG EMAIL. OKAY. . THANK YOU. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ONE OF ONE, BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENTS. CAN YOU ADDRESS THE SIDEWALK THAT SHE JUST BROUGHT UP? I'M LOOKING AT THE PLAN. WELL, SHE SAID 1 79, BUT I THINK SHE MEANT BO STRING FROM ONE. OH, OKAY. YEAH. OH, BO STRING. YEAH. ON THE, UH, YEAH, RIGHT. OR TO TO WESTERN, WESTERN MOST SIDE FROM 1 79 UP TO WHERE THE WALKWAY IS TO THE CHURCH ROUGHLY. GOT IT. SO THERE'D BE SAFETY FOR NEIGHBORHOOD WALKERS ON THE OTHER SIDE, JOHN? OH, YEAH. OH, UP THERE. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, WE CAN CONSIDER THAT. WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT. SHE'S SAYING OTHER SIDE UP FROM HERE TO HERE. I'M SORRY. SHE'S SAYING SOUTH SIDE. SAYING SOUTH SIDE, SO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT SIDEWALK JUST DEAD ENDS. YEAH. AND THEN THERE'S A CROSSWALK UP THERE. SO LIKE HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY GET TO THAT CROSSWALK FROM THAT SIDE, I THINK IS THE ARGUMENT. NO, I THINK I, YES. OKAY. WE GOT A NOD IN THE AUDIENCE . OKAY. WE CAN CONSIDER THAT. YES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I HAVE ANY COMMENTS, UM, IN LOOKING AT THIS PLAN AND, AND, AND SEEING THAT SOME OF THE KEY FACTORS ARE, ARE MISSING THAT WE LIKE TO SEE HERE ON, ON THE COMMISSION, UM, AND MISSING TRAFFIC COUNT, TREE COUNT, UM, AND THEN THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT BIKE REPAIR AND EV CHARGING AND ALL THESE IDEAS THAT ARE COMING FORWARD. I AM, I AM LOOKING FOR SUPPORT TO CONTINUE THIS TO ANOTHER HEARING. I'M FINE WITH THAT. I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A GOOD THING. I, UM, IF I COULD JUMP IN, I, I, I THINK THERE'S A GREAT PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT'S BEING PROVIDED BY THE SHUTTLE PARKING LOT, BUT IT IS AN ESTABLISHED 75-YEAR-OLD, UH, SUBDIVISION. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BALANCE THE ACCOMMODATIONS OF WHAT THE PARKING LOT PROVIDES WITH, UM, THE QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS. AND, UH, I HA THERE ARE SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS HERE TODAY, BUT EVEN IF WE CONTINUED, I'M NOT CONVINCED, I, I'M CONVINCED THAT A, UM, A NEW BYPASS LANE IS A SAFETY FEATURE. I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING IS NECESSARY, [01:05:01] AND I REALLY STRUGGLE SINCE YOU'VE PROVIDED THE NUMBER, UH, $1.3 MILLION FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WHAT IS THE COST BENEFIT RATIO? AND I'LL PASS IT ON. WELL, IF JOE WAS TO MAKE SUCH A MOTION, I WOULD, UH, SECOND IT. I WOULD SAY THAT MM-HMM. , UM, I'M IN THE, IN THE SAFE BOAT. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT AS A WHOLE AND HAVING ENOUGH ANSWERS. I AGREE. I WHAT I KNOW OF THE SLIP LANE AND THAT TRAFFIC, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. I WANNA KNOW A TREE COUNT FOR THAT SLIP LANE AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S GONNA BE SAVED AND WHAT'S NOT. MM-HMM. , UM, WITHOUT AN ACTUAL STUDY OF THE PARKING LOT, I DON'T WANT TO CUT THAT OLD GROWTH DOWN FOR EXTRA PAVEMENT. EXTRA PAVEMENT IS NOT RECOMMENDED IN OUR CURRENT SUSTAINABILITY GOALS. RIGHT. PERMEABLE IS, IS THE GOAL CURRENTLY. SO FOR US TO PAVE MORE, THERE SHOULD BE A REALLY GOOD REASON. RIGHT. UM, AND, AND I JUST, IF I HAVE THE DATA TO JUSTIFY IT, I THINK I COULD GET ON BOARD, BUT I DON'T, I JUST DON'T HAVE IT. MM-HMM. . UM, SO I'M, I'M ON BOARD WITH A CONTINUATION WITH, SO WE CAN SEE THE BATHROOM DRAWINGS THAT EXIST OR DON'T EXIST OR WHATEVER. SO WE CAN MAYBE GET SOME VISUALS OF CHANGE OF SIGHT AND WE CAN GET AN ACTUAL COUNT. WE'RE COMING INTO OCTOBER. WE COULD GET SOME REALLY GOOD COUNTS ON THIS PARKING LOT IN THE NEXT FOUR WEEKS OF WHAT PEAK, IF IT COOLS DOWN WHAT PEAK LOOKS LIKE. UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, I WANT, I JUST NEED MORE. SO I, I, MM-HMM. , I THINK A CONTINUATION WITH ENOUGH TIME TO GET DATA WOULD BE HELPFUL. RIGHT. AND DO YOU THINK A SITE VISIT WOULD BE NECESSARY? YES. I, UH, I WENT AND I DROVE IT BECAUSE I HADN'T BEEN IN IT SINCE THE LAST TIME WE DID IT. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . BUT I THINK ONCE WE HAVE SOME ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS, A SITE VISIT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. WELL, IF WE ARE CONTINUING, MAYBE WE CAN ALSO ADD A SITE VISIT AND TRANSIT AT THE NEXT MEETING, PLEASE. YEAH, FOR SURE. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF WE'RE READY. I'M READY. UM, I MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE THE CONTINUE CONTINUE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UH, AMENDMENT TO EXPAND THE PARKING LOT FOR THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE AT 1294 AND 1406 SOUTH, RIGHT SOUTH ROUTE 1 79 NORTH STATE ROUTE 1 79, TRAIL HOOD SHUTTLE. THE, UM, LET'S SEE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 1.94 ACRES AND IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST INTERSECTION OF STATE ROUTE 1 79 AND BO STRING DRIVE A PN 4 0 1 DASH FIVE DASH TWO N AND PN TWO. DO WE HAVE A DATE CURRENT? OH, I HAVE A CASE NUMBER TOO. IS THAT THE, I NEED TO DO THE CASE NUMBER AS WELL. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A DATE FOR THAT? UM, SO THE NOVEMBER DATES WILL BE NOVEMBER 5TH, THE 19TH. UM, IF YOU DON'T CHOOSE A DATE, WE WOULD JUST RE-NOTICE IT, WHICH WE WOULD LIKELY DO ANYWAY. UM, WE WOULD WANT, YOU KNOW, WE, I'LL, I CAN CONNECT WITH ALTHEA AND SEE WHO DOESN'T. I'M SORRY. LET'S TAKE THE SECOND AND THEN I'LL GET CLARIFICATION. WELL, I WILL SECOND THAT FOR CLARIFICATION. DID YOU SAY NOVEMBER FIVE OR 19? THOSE WOULD BE THE NOVEMBER DATES. OKAY. UM, BUT WE PROBABLY WANNA TALK TO JOHN A. LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME TO GET SOME OF THESE ITEMS. WE'RE NOT GONNA LET IT GO TOO LONG. MM-HMM, . AND IF YOU, IF WE DON'T CHOOSE A DATE TODAY, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WOULD BE THAT WE HAVE TO RE-NOTICE IT, WHICH WE WILL DO ANYWAY. WE WILL SEND OUT THE NEW NOTIFICATION MM-HMM. PUT UP A NEW SIGN ON THE PROPERTY AND ALL OF THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S AS CRITICAL TO PICK A DATE TONIGHT. OKAY. SO IT'S A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE IN SECOND. SO FOR DISCUSSION, ARE YOU, DID YOU TAKE NOTES OF ALL THE THINGS OH YEAH. THE DATA WE'RE LOOKING FOR. OKAY. AND WE HAVE THE RECORDING OF THE MEETING. WELL, AND THE STAFF PERSONNEL THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ASSIST IN OUR OKAY. AND I, THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND A SITE VISIT FOR THE COMMISSION AS WELL. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I WILL NOT BE HERE ON THE 19TH OF NOVEMBER, BUT YOU COULD ZOOM IN. EXCUSE ME. UH, I PROBABLY COULD NOT. . THANK YOU. THAT'S THANKSGIVING. THAT IS RIGHT AROUND THANKSGIVING. IT'S PROBABLY UNLIKELY THAT, UH, I'M, OR PERHAPS LIKELY THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE A FULL ROBUST COMMISSION. WE'LL SEE. WE'LL SEE. YOU'LL POLL US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU STAFF. ALRIGHT, WE'LL [5.b. Public Hearing/discussion/possible direction regarding a request for Conceptual Development Review for a proposed hotel renovation and expansion to add a new restaurant and a net of 23 new hotel rooms, at 400 N State Route 89A and 40, 45, 50, and 60 Art Barn Lane (Best Western Arroyo Roble). The properties are zoned Lodging (L), are ±4.77 acres, and are located on the southeast side of N State Route 89A between Art Barn Road and Arroyo Roble Drive. APN: 401-13-021, -022, -023, -024, -025, -060G, -061A. ] MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA. ITEM B FIVE B PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR CONCEPTUAL [01:10:01] DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR PROPOSED HOTEL RENOVATION AND EXPANSION. TO ADD A NEW RESTAURANT AND A NET OF 23 NEW HOTEL ROOMS AT 400 NORTH STATE ROUTE 89 AND A AND 40 45, 50 AND 60 YARD BARN LANE. BEST WESTERN AURORA ROBLEY THE PROPERTY USER ZONE L LODGING, OR PLUS OR MINUS 4.77 ACRES AND ARE LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF NORTH STATE ROUTE 89 A BETWEEN ART BARN ROAD AND ROYAL ROADWAY. PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 1 DASH 13 DASH 0 2 1 DASH 0 2 2 DASH 0 2 3 DASH 0 2 4 DASH 0 2 5 0 0 6 0 G AND 0 6 1 A. THIS IS CASE NUMBER PZ 24 0 0 0 0 5 DEVELOPMENT. OH, I SEE YOU'VE SEATED YOURSELVES AT THE TABLE. GREAT. UM, CARRIE, WE'LL PRESENT FIRST, THE, UH, APPLICANTS HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY HAVE ABOUT A 20 MINUTE, UM, PRESENTATION. WOULD EACH OF YOU, UH, JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELVES FIRST? THANK YOU. I'M, I'M RANDY MCGRAIN AND FOUNDING PARTNER FROM ENSEMBLE INVESTMENTS, THE OWNER CITY OF RESIDENCE. MY CITY OF RESIDENCE IS PHOENIX. THANK YOU. I'M MICHAEL MARKKU. I'M PRINCIPAL OF, UH, MARCH DESIGN GROUP, THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT, AND I AM FROM SCOTTSDALE. THANK YOU, CARRIE. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO I'M GONNA START, TODAY IS OCTOBER 1ST. I HEARD DID NOT CHANGE THE DATE APPROPRIATELY. I AM SORRY. UM, SO DON'T CATCH MY DISEASE . SO JUST BEFORE WE START, WE DO, I DO WANNA JUST GO OVER THE PURPOSE OF A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW. AND THIS IS A TIME FOR REVIEW AGENCIES, STAFF, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC TO FAMILIARIZE THEMSELVES WITH AND PROVIDE COMMENTS ON A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL IN ITS EARLY CONCEPTUAL STAGE OF DESIGN. SO YOU, THE APPLICANT DOES NOT HAVE TO SUBMIT A FULL SUBMITTAL PACKAGE LIKE YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE. THE, THE IDEA IS THAT THEY GET THEIR IDEAS IN FRONT OF YOU AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'LL BE LOOKING FOR AS THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN HOPEFULLY COME BACK WITH A MORE COMPLETE PROJECT WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR CONCEPTUAL OR FOR COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW. UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FULL SUBMITTAL, WE DO NOT DO A FULL REVIEW FOR COMPLIANCE AS YOU WOULD SEE IN A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW. UM, BUT THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT ARE IN THE PACKET. COMMENTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, I BELIEVE FROM ENGINEERING AS WELL ARE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. SO YOU JUST KIND OF KNOW WHAT THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN A HEADS UP TO. AND SO, UM, YOU KIND OF HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD AS THEY FORMALIZE ALL OF THEIR PLANS IS WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR AS PART OF THIS HEARING. UM, ALL OF THIS IS WHAT THE CHAIR READ. I'M NOT GONNA READ IT ALL AGAIN, BUT, UM, THE TOTAL ACREAGE OF THE PROJECT IS JUST UNDER FIVE ACRES. THE APPLICATION IS TO RENOVATE AND ADD AN A RESTAURANT TO THE EXISTING HOTEL, UM, AND THEN ADD 23 NEW HOTEL UNITS ON A VACANT PARCEL. SO THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED LODGING. UM, SO THIS IS A KIND OF A UNIQUE PROJECT IN THAT TYPICALLY WHEN YOU SEE A HOTEL PROJECT, YOU ALSO SEE A ZONE CHANGE. UM, THIS ONE DOES NOT HAVE THAT BECAUSE THESE PROPERTIES ARE ALREADY ZONED LODGING. SO THE EXISTING HOTEL, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF HOTEL ROOMS THAT WERE IN EXISTENCE WHEN THE LODGING DESIGNATION WAS PUT IN PLACE IN THE LATE 1990S, IS PERMITTED UP TO 61 LODGING UNITS. AND THEY ARE NOT EXCEEDING THAT ON THE EXISTING HOTEL PROPERTY. UM, THEY'LL BE RECONFIGURING A LITTLE BIT AND THEY CAN GET INTO THAT. UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ALLOWED UP THERE. ON THE VACANT PROPERTY, THERE WERE NO, THERE WAS NOT A NUMBER ASSOCIATED WITH THAT REZONING, IT WAS JUST REZONED TO LODGING A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. SO THEY ARE ALLOWED UP TO EIGHT UNITS, EIGHT HOTEL UNITS PER ACRE ON THAT PROPERTY. AND THAT IS HOW THEY GOT TO THE 23 UNITS. I THINK IT'S ABOUT, IT'S JUST UNDER THREE ACRES. UM, AND SO THAT'S HOW, AGAIN, HOW THEY GOT TO THE 23 UNITS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ON THAT PROPERTY. OTHER COMMERCIAL USES, INCLUDING THEIR PROPOSED RESTAURANT, ARE PERMITTED USES IN THE LODGING DISTRICT. UM, SO THIS PROPERTY IS IN UPTOWN, IT'S, LEMME TAKE THIS. UM, IT'S THESE PROPERTIES RIGHT HERE. UM, THIS PROPERTY DOWN HERE IS THAT VACANT PROPERTY. UM, AND THEN UP HERE IS WHERE THE EXISTING HOTEL IS. UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PARCELS THERE. SOME OF THAT LINE, PARCEL LINE WORK WILL BE CLEANED UP IF THIS PROJECT MOVES [01:15:01] FORWARD. UM, SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE AERIAL, YOU CAN SEE THIS LARGE VACANT LOT DOWN HERE. AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE THE, THE 23 UNIT EXPANSION IS GOING. AND THEN UP HERE IS THEIR EXISTING HOTEL PROPERTY. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, UM, WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY ARE PROPOSING TO ADD THE VARIOUS SITE ELEMENTS. AGAIN, THESE DOWN HERE ARE THE 23 NEW CASITA UNITS. THEY ARE HAVING SOME PARKING ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT. THE PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE ACCESSED BY RECONFIGURING SOME OF THE EXISTING PARKING LOTS AND ALLOWING THAT CONNECTION THROUGH HERE. OR THE PARKING ON THIS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS, UM, ACCESSED OFF OF ART BARN ROAD. UM, I BELIEVE WE SAID WE DID THE SITE VISIT THIS MORNING. THAT PARKING LOT THAT YOU PARKED IN IS ON THEIR PROPERTY AND HAS BEEN PROVIDED THROUGH AN INFORMAL AGREEMENT TO THE ART BARN FOR SOME OVERFLOW PARKING, UM, THAT THEY ARE CONTINUING TO PROVIDE THAT. AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SO MANY ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES FOR, SO THE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES THAT THEY'RE BUILDING IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THEY WOULD REQUIRE BE REQUIRED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. BUT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SOME PARKING FOR THE ART BARN, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT INCREASE IN, UM, OVER THE AMOUNT THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS WOULD BE REQUIRED. UM, SO THESE ARE SOME SITE SECTIONS. YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING HOTEL, UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A OF A NON-CONFORMING HEIGHT UP THERE. AND SO THEY'RE NOT CHANGING THE HEIGHT OF THAT BUILDING. AND THEN THE NEW BUILDINGS ARE GENERALLY ALL ONE STORY, UM, TO SEE A UNITS AND THEY CAN EXPLAIN MORE OF WHAT'S GOING INTO THOSE DURING THEIR PRESENTATION. UM, SO AGAIN, THE INITIAL STAFF REVIEW, WE JUST DID OUR INITIAL REVIEW. WE HAVE NOT DONE THE FULL REVIEW, BUT WE DID NOT SEE ANYTHING THAT WAS RAISING A RED FLAG. THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT COMMENTS REGARDING BUILDING DESIGNS. WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, PROVIDING CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN SOME OF THE USES HAS BEEN, UM, RECOMMENDED BY THE DRAFT UPTOWN CFA PLAN AND ALSO SOME THINGS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND WE ALSO HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THEY WERE CALCULATING PARKING FOR THE RESTAURANT, BUT NOTHING THAT, UM, WE DON'T THINK CAN BE ADDRESSED IF THEY MOVE FORWARD. UM, SO AGAIN, PUBLIC INPUT. THE APPLICANT HAS BEGUN THEIR PUBLIC OUTREACH AND THEY WILL BE CONTINUED TO REQUIRE IT. UM, WE GO THROUGH ALL THE SAME PUBLIC NOTIFICATION PROCEDURES FOR THESE HEARINGS AS WE DO FOR THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING. SO, UM, NOTICE ON THE PROPERTY MAILING TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET NOTICE IN THE PAPER, ALL OF THAT. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN ANY COMMENTS, BUT IF WE HAVE, THEY WERE PROVIDED TO YOU, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER GETTING ANY MM-HMM. OKAY. UM, SO AS WE GET INTO THE NEXT PHASE, WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN ARTICLE FIVE, IF THEY'RE PROVIDING ANY NEW SIGNS. THAT'S AN ARTICLE SIX, BE REVIEWING IT FOR THE ADMINISTRATION AND PROCEDURES REQUIREMENTS AND ARTICLE EIGHT. UM, AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE, UM, JUST KIND OF GIVING OVERVIEW AND AGAIN, AS A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK AND WHAT YOU'D BE LOOKING FOR IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO MOVE FORWARD. SORRY, I CAN TALK. UM, AND NOW THE APPLICANT HAS THEIR PRESENTATION. CAN YOU USE YOUR LITTLE MESS? DO YOU NEED SOME WATER OVER THERE? I'M GOOD. THANKS . BUT YOUR JAR IN YOUR JAR. I'LL GO FILL IT UP WHILE RANDY TALKS. THERE'S A WATER FILLING STATION. WATER FILLING ALONG. OKAY. UH, THANKS. COMMISSION FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND PARTICULARLY THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW. UH, FEEDBACK LOOP IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US. UM, ENSEMBLE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN 2019. WE REALIZED WHEN WE PURCHASED IT, WE WERE BUYING AN OPERATING HOTEL AS WELL AS A PRETTY PROMINENT PIECE OF LAND. UH, I WILL SHARE, WHEN AUTUMN AND I LOOKED AT THIS PIECE OF LAND IN AERIALS, OUR KNEES BUCKLED A LITTLE BIT. IT IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE. SO WE COMMITTED TO SPENDING TIME IN THE COMMUNITY, BECOMING A, A LOCAL BUSINESS OPERATOR, UH, BEING INVOLVED IN LOCAL ISSUES, UH, WHICH WE THINK WE'VE DONE. AND SO BY DOING SO, WE'VE LET A DESIGN KIND OF EVOLVE OUT OF THAT INTERACTION. THIS IS ANOTHER STEP IN THAT INTERACTION. I'VE HAD A LOT OF CRAZY IDEAS FOR THIS SITE. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY, I THINK IS APPROPRIATE. THE MAIN THRUST OF THIS, THERE'S A FEW MAIN PHILOSOPHIES WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. ONE, I'M A HUGE ADVOCATE FOR THE SEDONA ART CENTER. I THINK IT'S AN UNDERAPPRECIATED ASSET. I THINK ART TOURISM IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE IN THE CITY. SECOND, I THINK THE NORTH END OF UPTOWN IS BEING NEGLECTED. [01:20:01] I SIT THERE AND WATCH PEOPLE STOP WALKING CONTINUOUSLY. THERE'S SOME GREAT BUSINESSES UP THERE, AND AGAIN, THE SEDONA ART CENTER. SO WE WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR PRESENCE ON MAIN STREET TO REALLY REVITALIZE AND MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO CONTINUE. ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT UPTOWN, AND I THINK UPTOWN IS UNIQUE, IS THAT IT IS, UM, WALKABLE, TRULY WALKABLE. AND, AND WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT. AND I THINK THE WORK THAT THE CITY'S DOING WITH THE GARAGE AS WELL AS, UM, IMPROVEMENTS IN JORDAN ROAD AND ALL THAT ARE GONNA IMPROVE THAT, WE WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DRIVING FOR. ULTIMATELY, DESPITE SOME CRAZY IDEAS, WE SAID WE NEED TO STAY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FAIRWAY AND DELIVER THE NUMBER OF UNITS. THAT CODE ALLOWS NOTHING MORE. EVEN THOUGH WE HAD SOME IDEAS COUPLED WITH WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE A LOT OF PUBLIC GOOD NON-REVENUE PRODUCING THINGS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT WASN'T IMPORTANT. WE'RE COUPLING THAT WITH A BUSINESS PLAN THAT ELEVATES THE EXISTING HOTEL. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE BALANCE I SERVE ON THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD. SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS. AND I THINK ONE OF THE, I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY? YOU SERVE ON THE WHAT? THE TOURISM ADVI THE TAB. OH, YES. OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. YES. THIS IS THE ONLY TABLE I HAVEN'T SAT AT SO FAR IN THIS, IN THIS ROOM. AND SO I'M, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES AND THE OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE WANNA MAXIMIZE THE POSITIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF TOURISM AND MINIMIZE THE NEGATIVE IMPACT. WE WE'RE DOING THAT BY MINIMIZING THE NUMBER OF ROOMS WE'RE ADDING, BUT BY INVESTING A LOT IN THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THAT REVENUE PLATFORM MOVES UP SUBSTANTIALLY. SO WE DELIVER A MUCH BIGGER TAX REVENUE BASE OUT OF THIS PROJECT THAN IF WE WERE JUST ADDING 23 UNITS. AND I THINK THAT'S KEY TO WHAT WE'RE DOING IN ADDITION, AND I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO MICHAEL NOW. IN ADDITION, WE ARE TRYING TO BE AS SUSTAINABLE AS WE CAN. I I COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT THIS, UM, BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME PERSONALLY. AND I THINK WE, WE HAVE SOME REALLY UNIQUE IDEAS IN THAT, IN THAT REGARD. I THINK, OH, THIS DOESN'T WORK. OTHER SPEC? OH, . OH, OKAY. YOU GO BACK. THIS IS JUST A SLIDE TO SHOW. WE'RE JUST VERY AWARE OF THE AREA WE'RE IN AND, YOU KNOW, WE WORKED, EVEN THOUGH THE CFA WASN'T ADOPTED, WE, WE WERE INVOLVED IN DEVELOPING IT AND WE'VE CONTINUED TO TRY TO LOOK AT THOSE GUIDELINES. I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. I'M GONNA TURN OVER THE GUY WHO REALLY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON. MICHAEL. OH, SORRY. TWITCHY. SO THIS DIAGRAM IS BASICALLY JUST STARTING TO SHOW DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE PROJECT. UM, THERE ARE, AND IT'S, THIS IS KINDA A LITTLE BIT WASHED OUT, BUT WHERE WE'RE SHOWING ONE A AND ONE B IS WHERE WE'RE PROVIDING THE NEW SUSTAINABLE CASITAS. THESE ARE GONNA BE CREATED THROUGH A PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, WITH A GROUP OUTTA PHOENIX. UM, THEY REPURPOSE SHIPPING CONTAINERS, AND WE'RE USING TWO OF THOSE FOR EACH UNIT, UM, TO CREATE A SANDBLASTED, UH, KIND OF ELEMENT THAT WILL FIT WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE THAT WILL PETAIN IT TO FIT WITHIN THE COLOR OF THE AREA. UH, WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING EACH ONE OF THOSE COEDS IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE FULLY SOLAR POWERED. SO WHEN YOU SEE THE RENDERING THAT YOU, YOU'VE SEEN ALREADY OF THE SITE PLAN, THE BLACK ELEMENTS THAT YOU SEE ARE THOSE COEDS, FULLY SOLAR, UM, SUPPORTED. UH, THE AREA THAT WE'VE NOTED AS NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THE YELLOW AREA THAT IS OUR SORT OF MORE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE. THERE IS A ART PLAZA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WILL HAVE, UM, IT IS A SORT OF A, A, AN ARTICULATED EXTERIOR SPACE THAT DOES HAVE INTERACTION WITH THE SEDONA ARTS CENTER. UM, WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR OWN EVENTS, WE CAN ACTUALLY OPEN UP OUR, UH, HARDSCAPE TO WORK WELL WITH THEIR HARDSCAPE, AND THAT'LL ALSO INTEGRATE WITH OUR RESTAURANT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A FULLY INTEGRATED EXPERIENCE. AND IT GOES BACK TO WHAT RANDY WAS TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF CREATING MORE OF A DESTINATION TO THE NORTH SIDE OF, UM, THE TOWN. AND THAT BECOMES SORT OF AN EXTRA FEATURE AND SORT OF AN ENDPOINT THAT WORKS WITH OUR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. UH, THE THREE, WHICH IS GREEN, THE GREEN ELEMENT IN THE MIDDLE IS WHERE WE'RE LOCATING OR NOTING THE FULLY FULL RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING TOWER. UM, NOT ONLY ARE WE DOING A SIGNIFICANT TER INTERIOR RENOVATION, WHICH INCLUDES REFI, RECONFIGURATION OF THE ROOMS, BUT FROM AN EXTERIOR'S PERSPECTIVE, UM, THERE IS A VERY STRIKING, UH, ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS THE PORTHA. UM, AND THESE GUYS ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE TIRED OF HEARING ME, BUT I'VE ALWAYS REFERRED TO IT AS SOMEBODY WITH [01:25:01] THEIR BASEBALL HAT PULLED DOWN TOO FAR. , UH, EFFECTIVELY WHAT IT DOES IS IT FEELS LIKE IT TURNS IT BACK OR KIND OF, UM, RETREATS AWAY FROM THE STREETSCAPE. AND SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS TO OPEN THAT UP AND WE'RE STILL GONNA CREATE THE POCA SHARE, BUT WE'RE GONNA FLATTEN IT OUT. UM, CREATE A, ONE OF THE ROOMS THAT WE'RE REMOVING OUT OF THE TAKING OFFLINE FROM THE TOWER IS GONNA TURN INTO A MEETING SPACE THAT IS GONNA UTILIZE THE TOP OF THAT PORTHA AS A BALCONY SPACE. SO NOW THAT FACADE BECOMES MUCH MORE TRANSPARENT, MUCH MORE OPEN FROM OUR TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE. UM, AND IT, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE ALSO UTILIZING THE EXTERIOR CORRIDORS THAT ARE PART OF THAT BUILDING. UH, WE'RE GONNA BACKLIGHT THOSE HALLWAYS SO THAT WE'LL ALLOW, UM, MORE DEPTH TO THE FACADE AT NIGHT, BUT WE WON'T HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THE DARK SKY ORDINANCE. SO WE'LL ACTUALLY CREATE DEPTH WITHIN THE BUILDING. AND SO THERE'LL BE A LIGHT GLOW FROM THE FACADE. SO WE JUST WANT TO CREATE AN ARTICULATION AND DEPTH TO THAT EXISTING STRUCTURE AND ARTICULATE WHAT WE HAVE, UM, TO MAKE IT MUCH MORE APPEALING. UH, NUMBER FOUR IS WE'RE DOING AN INTERIOR RENOVATION OF THE AREA. SO THE, THE RETAIL THAT'S CURRENTLY ON GRADE ALONG 89 A WILL STAY THE SAME, BUT THE FLOOR BELOW, WHICH IS CURRENTLY GONNA BE THE BUFFET AND WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS, THE BUFFET IN THE MEETING SPACE, THAT WILL BE A NEW SPA. AND SO WE'RE ADDING FIVE TREATMENT ROOMS IN THERE WITH A FULL CIRCUIT THAT HAS A PRE AND POST-TREATMENT EXPERIENCE, UH, THAT WILL BE FOR THE BENEFIT FOR OUR GUESTS, BUT ALSO HAVE, UM, ACCESS FROM, UH, PUBLIC AS WELL. AND THEN FINALLY WE HAVE, WELL THEN ONE OF THE SIGNATURE ELEMENTS, WHICH IS NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS A NEW POOL. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS TAKE THE NEW, THE EXISTING POOL, WHICH IS SORT OF, IT'S A LITTLE CHALLENGING TO GET TO FROM OUR, OUR GUEST EXPERIENCE, RAISE THAT UP TO VERY CLOSE TO THE LOWEST LEVEL OF THE, UM, HOTEL AND TO CREATE SORT OF A BEACH FRONT EXPERIENCE. ONE OF THE MAJOR FEATURES OF THIS SITE AND THIS HOTEL IS THE VIEW OUT OF THIS, OUT OF THIS BUILDING. THERE ARE VERY FEW, WELL, THERE'S PLENTY OF GREAT PROPERTIES IN THIS TOWN THAT HAVE GREAT VIEWS, BUT THIS ONE IS REALLY THE BEACH FRONT. I MEAN, REALLY THAT IS OUR MAJOR, MAJOR, UM, AMENITY. AND WE WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. SO OUR NEW POOL IS GONNA HAVE INTERACTION SERVICE FROM THE RESTAURANT AS WELL AS DIRECT SERVICE FROM THE HOTEL ITSELF. SO WE NOW BECOME, YOU KNOW, CREATE A, A, A MUCH GREATER AMENITY, UM, THAT'S EASILY OR BETTER UTILIZED. SO THIS IS, THIS IS OUR RENDERED SITE PLAN, AS I MENTIONED. THESE ARE THE CASITAS THAT ARE LOWER. UM, THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT I TALKED ABOUT THAT WILL ALL BE SOLAR. UM, SIX OF THESE UNITS WILL ALL BE DAISY CHAINED TOGETHER. THAT GOES BACK TO A BATTERY ARRAY WHEN ONE OF THE ROOMS IS OFFLINE. CAN YOU SPEAK CLOSER TO THE MIC? SORRY, I'M HARD OF HEARING WHEN ONE OF THESE ROOMS IS OFFLINE. THE THE OTHER FIVE REINFORCE THAT OR THAT. UM, SO THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER IN CONJUNCTION TO A BATTERY ARRAY. SO AS YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE ANY OF THE ROOMS THAT ARE OFFLINE ARE NOT BEING USED, THOSE WILL SUPPORT IN, IN RECHARGE THE BATTERIES WHILE THE OTHER ONES ARE BEING USED. MM-HMM, . SO EACH, ALL OF THESE ARE PROPOSED TO BE OFF GRID AS FAR AS ELECTRICAL. WE WOULD LOVE TO TAKE THEM OFF GRID AS FAR AS SEWER AND WATER, BUT WE'VE DISCOVERED THAT GUESTS, IF THEY NEED TO HAVE, UH, PRIOR UNDERSTANDING OF ANY KIND OF UNIQUE SITUATION LIKE A COMPOSTING TOILET OR A, UM, INCINERATOR, INCINERATOR, TOILET, TOILET, WHICH IS ACTUALLY STANDARD WITH THESE, UM, THESE PRODUCTS, IT, IT DOESN'T GO WELL. SO WE ARE PROPOSING THAT IT'S STILL GONNA STAY WITH ON SEWER. UM, AND SO THIS DIAGRAM RIGHT NOW, IT TALKS ABOUT CIRCULATION. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PARKING, WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO IS ALL OF THE PARKING THAT IS EXISTING AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE IS WHAT WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THE HOTEL USE. SO THAT WAY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS OUR GUESTS WILL STILL ARRIVE AT OUR FRONT DOOR, CHECK IN AT OUR EXISTING LOBBY, AND THEN PROCEED DOWN THE HILL THROUGH THE EXISTING PARKING AREA AND ALSO TERMINATE DOWN AT THE LOWER LEVEL. NOW ONCE OUR GUESTS HAVE SORT OF BECOME ACCLIMATED TO THE SITE, AND IF, SAY IF THEY'VE GOT A ROOM ON, ON THE NORTH SIDE LATER AFTER THEY'VE GONE HIKING OR THEY'VE KIND OF GONE OUT AND SEE THE REST OF THE TOWN, THEY'LL PROBABLY COME DOWN ART BARN LANE AND UTILIZE THAT SIDE AND USE, UTILIZE THE PARKING ON THAT ON THE NORTH SIDE. HOWEVER, THIS EXTRA PARKING THAT IS MENTIONED, CARRIE MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE BAKED IN A LITTLE EXTRA CAPACITY IN HERE SO THAT IT, UM, ACCOMMODATES BOTH OUR NEW RESTAURANT AS WELL AS, UH, THE ART BARN AND THE USE FOR THE SEDONA ART CENTER. I KEEP CLICKING IN THE WRONG SPOT. UH, THIS IS A BLOWUP OF THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE EXISTING TOWER. WE'RE PROPOSING THAT THIS IS AT THE SAME LEVEL OF OUR LOBBY LEVEL, WHICH IS ACTUALLY ONE FLOOR ABOVE THE LOWEST LEVEL OF THE BUILDING JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE [01:30:01] WAY THAT THE SITE WORKS. THAT RESTAURANT WOULD BE ROUGHLY EIGHT FEET BELOW, UH, 89 A, THE SIDEWALK ON 89 A. SO ANY VIEW SHEDS OF THE, OF THE CANYON BEYOND WOULD ACTUALLY BE NON, UM, NOT IMPACTED BY THE HOTEL ITSELF OR THE RESTAURANT ITSELF. UM, BUT WHAT WE'VE ALSO DONE FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT IS ACCOMMODATE ALL THE AADA A PARKING JUST ON THE, IN THAT EXISTING LOT. UM, AND THEN PROPOSE THAT THE NEW RESTAURANT GOES IN OUR EXISTING LAWN. WE'VE GOT AN ACCESS WAY RIGHT HERE, THE FRONT DOOR THAT IS ALSO A PIVOT POINT TO ACCESS OUR ART PLAZA, WHICH IS JUST THE NORTH OF THE RESTAURANT. UM, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT THIS IS A VERY GLASSED IN OPENING. WE'VE GOT INDOOR OUTDOOR BAR ACCESS ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER, UM, AS WELL AS WE ARE TILTING THE ROOF OF THE RESTAURANT UP A LITTLE BIT SO THAT ONCE YOU'RE IN THE SPACE YOU GET MORE OF A GRANDER VIEW AND IT SORT OF FORCES A FORCE PERSPECTIVE AND YOU GET MORE OF SORT OF A PANORAMIC VIEW OF THE, THE CANYON ON THE OTHER SIDE. OOPS. I KEEP DOING THE SAME THING. UH, THIS DIAGRAM IS WHAT WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING IS ONE OF THE OTHER AMENITIES THAT WE HAD, AND I THINK WE'VE YOU'VE SEEN IT TODAY, IS WHEN YOU GO UP TO THE ROOF, WE HAVE ALL OF THE ACCESS THAT WE RE REQUIRE TO HAVE USE OF THE, OF THE HOTEL ROOF. UM, THERE ARE TWO STAIRS, THERE'S ELEVATOR ACCESS. SO WE WANT TO TAKE THAT AMENITY AND KIND OF CREATE A BETTER USE FOR THAT. AND BY DOING THAT WE WANT TO DO A SMALLER EVENT DECK UP ON THAT LEVEL EVENT IN WHERE WE WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE, UM, UH, UH, NIGHT SKY VIEWING. WE'LL HAVE, UM, TELESCOPES UP THERE. WE CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, SMALL EVENTS AS WELL AS UTILIZING THAT, THE REST OF THAT ROOF SPACE FOR SOLAR. THIS DIAGRAM RIGHT HERE IS AGAIN, SORT OF A MORE ARTICULATED, UH, SECTION THROUGH THE SITE. AND THE IDEA IS TO SHOW YOU BOTH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, UM, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, AS WE MENTIONED, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE HEIGHT OF THAT. HOWEVER, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE SHOWING WHERE WE'RE FLATTENING OUT THE POCO SHARE, UM, OPENING THAT SECONDARY SPACE, THE MEETING SPACE UP TO THE STREET. UH, AND THEN THIS IS SORT OF A SIDE VIEW OF THAT RESTAURANT. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW TRANSPARENT IT IS AND HOW THE ROOFTOP OPENS UP. BUT THEN ALSO SEE THE CASITAS ARE ALL, UM, ABOUT 11 FEET TALL IF YOU INCLUDE THE SOLAR PANELS. SO THOSE ARE ALL VERY LOW LYING. UM, I'VE TRIED TO FIND A PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU CAN SEE THESE FROM THE STREET. MM-HMM . AND BECAUSE OF THE VARIOUS STRUCTURES THAT ARE THERE, THERE REALLY ISN'T ACTUALLY A VIEW OF THAT AREA FROM THE STREET. COULD YOU, UM, GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE? NO. , COULD YOU READ THOSE? YEAH, YOU CAN. UH, CAN YOU READ THE LABELS UNDER E EACH OF THOSE AREAS THAT SURE. DISTINGUISH THE, THE LAND USE. SO AT THE LOWER LEVEL WE HAVE PROPOSED CASITAS. THOSE ARE RIGHT, NOTED THREE TIMES. RIGHT? THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE NEW PROPOSED POOL. MM-HMM. , UH, THE EXISTING POOL IS KIND OF DOWN HERE AND AROUND THE CORNER A LITTLE BIT BASED ON THE STAIRS. MM-HMM. WE'RE PROPOSING THAT IT GETS PULLED UP TO THE UPPER LEVEL EXISTING HOTEL AND THEN HOTEL ARRIVAL. AND THEN THAT LEVEL RIGHT THERE, THAT IS THE SIDEWALK OF 80 OFF OF 89 A. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF A DROP BETWEEN. AND THEN WHAT YOU REFER TO AS THE ARTS PLAZA. WHERE IS THAT? SO THAT IS JUST NORTH OF THE RESTAURANT RIGHT HERE. YOU CAN'T SEE THAT IN THIS SECTION. THAT, AND THAT'S NOT IN THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL RETAIL BUILDING THAT'S ON 89 A NOW? NO, IT'S JUST, JUST EAST OF IT. OKAY. YEAH. THAT AND IS THAT PART OF YOUR PROPERTY? IT IS PART OF OUR PROPERTY. IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE. THE EXISTING RETAIL IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE. THAT WAS VERY INTENTIONAL TO ACTIVATE THE NORTH SIDE. PART OF THAT ME PART OF THAT IDEA TO ACTIVATE THE NORTH END OF UPTOWN. MM-HMM. , WE THINK PEOPLE WILL BE INTERESTED AND CONTINUE THAT. WALK UP THE STREET. MM-HMM. . THANK YOU. THERE'S A FEW. YEAH. WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF RENDERINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, WE SHOULD HAVE A TRIPOD FOR YOU. THANK YOU. YOU'RE THE TRIPOD. . THANK YOU. CARRIE, STOP. OKAY. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? WHAT RESTAURANT? NO, THAT'S THE ART PLAZA. THAT'S THE ART PLAZA I GET AND THE BUILDING BEHIND IT. RESTAURANT IN THE BACKGROUND THOUGH. THAT'S EASIER TO, YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN, AND CAN YOU MAYBE SET THOSE UP DOWN HERE AND FACE 'EM OUT TO THE AUDIENCE COMMISSIONER? WHAT IF WE PUT 'EM OVER THERE? SO IF THE PUBLIC WANTED TO LOOK AT THEM AS WELL, CAN WE PUT 'EM OVER THERE? OH YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WANTING TO HAPPEN. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. MAYBE WHEN WE, IF WE TAKE A BREAK, UH, WE CAN WE'LL SEE THEM BETTER. THANK YOU. [01:35:04] YEAH, THAT'S THE NEW PROPOSED ARRIVAL FRONT DOOR. MM-HMM. . SO IT OPENS UP. MM-HMM. . THANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE MORE TO YOUR PRESENTATION OR IS YOUR POWERPOINT? I'M GONNA GO VERY QUICKLY AND I'M GONNA SKIP THAT SLIDE. I JUST WANNA TALK, UH, BRIEFLY, YOU KNOW, SPENDING A LOT OF TIME IN SEDONA, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK PROVIDING DEVELOPERS GUIDELINES IN THE S COMMUNITY PLAN, THE COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA PLAN, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T ADOPTED AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT. SO I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL THOSE, BUT WE CAN SEND THAT TO YOU. BUT WE TRIED TO LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE ITEM IN THERE AND COME UP WITH, I'LL JUST TELL YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, CONNECTION TO SEDONA ART CENTER, CREATING A PLAZA THAT CAN BE USED BY THE PUBLIC. UM, RESPECTING, THERE'S SOME INTERESTING HISTORY ON THE SITE, THE JORDAN DITCH AND AN APPLE TREE. SO I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL THAT STUFF FOR YOU, BUT WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS. UM, I'M GONNA SPEND A MOMENT ON WORKFORCE HOUSING 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT LODGING AND STAFF WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA LIVE. THIS HAS BEEN A PASSION OF MINE IN THE CITY. I THINK STEVEN ATTESTS FOR YEARS. SO WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT PLANS WHERE WE WOULD BUILD A BUNCH OF WORKFORCE HOUSING. WHAT WE DECIDED IS DENSITY'S NOT A GOOD IDEA. SO WE'RE GONNA PUT JUST THE UNITS THERE AND MAKE A LARGE CONTRIBUTION IN THE, INTO THE FUND. BUT MORE IMPORTANT TO ME, AND I WAS WORKING WITH KAREN WHEN SHE WAS HERE, AND I CONTINUE TO BEAT THE DOORS DOWN. I WE WILL DO ANYTHING WE CAN TO TURN THAT DOLLAR POND THAT YOU GUYS HAVE INTO HOUSING. SO WE'VE, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT DEVELOPERS AND THAT, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS LIKE THERE'S MORE THAN MONEY. THERE'S RESOURCES AND ENERGY AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO BRING THAT. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PROBLEM TO SOLVE FOR EVERYBODY. UM, THIS IS SOME OF OUR PARTNERSHIPS. WE'RE WORKING WITH FRIENDS OF VERDE RIVER, WE'LL BE LEAD CERTIFIED, UM, STEEL AND SPARK IS, I'M GONNA TALK FOR A SECOND ABOUT THESE GITA UNITS. ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF DOING THESE OUT OF REPURPOSE MATERIALS, OBVIOUSLY VERY, VERY LOW CARBON FOOTPRINT ON THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE. THEY ARE BUILT IN PHOENIX WHILE WE'RE DOING CONSTRUCTION AND THEY'RE DELIVERED AND INSTALLED IN ABOUT A MONTH. SO THAT'S THE DISRUPTION. SO THAT'S A BIG DEAL. , WE HAVE A POSSIBILITY AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO KEEP THE HOTEL OPEN THIS ENTIRE TIME. SO STAFF CONTINUES TO WORK AND WE CONTINUE TO OPERATE. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE KIND OF UNDERLYING THOUGHTS. WE'VE GONE INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT. OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE THE LIGHTING PLAN, BUT I'M JUST MAKING YOU AWARE WHERE, WHERE I LIVE IN FLAGSTAFF HALF THE YEAR, DARK SKY IS CRITICAL TO ME. AND THIS IS THIS LAST LITTLE SLIDE WE HAVE ONE OF THE, THE LAST ORIGINAL JORDAN TREE, JORDAN APPLE TREE THERE, WHICH WE BROUGHT PEOPLE DOWN AND WE'RE SAD TO SAY IT IS BEYOND, UH, IN REAL ESTATE TERMS. IT'S A FULLY DEPRECIATED ASSET. IT'S NOT COMING BACK, BUT WHAT THE TREE WITH, BUT THEY EXPLAINED TO US BECAUSE IT'S DYING, IT'S SHOT OFF SHOOTS. YEAH. SO THEY CUT A BUNCH OF THEM, 65 OF THEM AND ARE PROPAGATING, YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE BUDS ON THEM. . SO WE WILL STILL HAVE APPLE TREES HERE, ORIGINAL JORDAN APPLE TREES HERE AT THE END OF AMEN FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AND THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. OKAY. LOTS TO, UH, CHEW ON. LET'S START DOWN HERE. SURE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATIONS AND THANK YOU FOR KEEPING IT SHORT. I HAD THE STOPWATCH COUNT. IT WAS 20, YOU SAID 20 AND IT WAS 20 . UM, YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE DO APPRECIATE IT. UH, I HAVE A, A FEW, I, MY FIRST QUESTION'S ACTUALLY A CARRY QUESTION. MM-HMM. , I KNOW WE HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT PREFAB THINGS AND MAYBE SHIPPING CONTAINERS. DO WE, DOES THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STILL HAS HAVE THOSE PROVISIONS? ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT IT? UM, SO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WOULD SAY NO TO JUST LIKE DROPPING A SHIPPING CONTAINER ON A PROPERTY. UHHUH . THAT'S AS LIKE STORAGE AS A SHIPPING CONTAINER. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, THE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THEY'LL HAVE TO MEET BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS. THEY'LL HAVE TO MEET OUR DESIGN AND COLOR AND ALL THAT. BUT THEY, IF THEY CAN MEET ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS, THEY'LL BE ALLOWED. OKAY. AND, AND THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN MANUFACTURED HOMES. AND I KNOW IT IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT, BUT IN, IN TERMS OF CODE, WE DON'T ALLOW MANUFACTURED HOMES PER SE BECAUSE THEY'RE PREFAB. BUT THIS IS JUST A D SO CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS ALLOW MANUFACTURED HOMES. RIGHT. BUT IT'S ALL BASED ON HOW THEY'RE CONSTRUCTED AND THEY'LL HAVE THESE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TRYING TO ASK? ? ? UM, YES, COMMISSIONER, UH, I BELIEVE I DO. OKAY. AND, UM, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MANUFACTURED HOME AND A FACTORY BUILT HOME. YEAH. UH, WITH A FACTORY. THAT IS MY QUESTION. YES. WITH A FACTORY BUILT HOME, THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN GAIN, UH, AND UNDERSTAND COMPLIANCE OF THE BUILDING CODES. UM, AND, AND SO THAT'LL BE PART OF THE WHOLE PROCESS. OKAY. SO AS LONG AS THEY'RE MEETING OUR NORMAL CODES WITH SOMETHING THAT IS MANUFACTURED OFFSITE, WE DON'T CARE. RIGHT. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR WORKING THAT OUT FOR ME. UM, IN THIS PROJECT SO FAR, I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T DONE A FULL REVIEW, BUT IS THERE ANY ASKS OUTSIDE OF CODE, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO HEIGHT AND COLOR AND SIGNS? [01:40:01] AND I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T DONE A FULL REVIEW, BUT AT FIRST GLANCE AT WE ARE STARTING, WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ANSWER NO TO THAT QUESTION. COOL. UM, WHAT ARE YOUR PARKING LOTS GONNA BE PAVED WITH, WITH ALL THIS EXTRA PARKING? SO EVERYTHING THAT'S ON HILL IS STILL GONNA STAY. THE ASPHALT JUST WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT YEAH, IT'S GONNA STAY STAIN EVERYTHING ON THE LOWER LEVEL, THAT'S ALL FLAT IS ALL GONNA BE PERMEABLE. NOW WE ARE, WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MATERIAL IT'S GONNA BE. OKAY. BUT THAT IS OUR GOAL. COOL. UM, DOES THIS PROPERTY INTERFACE WITH THE HYPOTHETICAL FUTURE CREEK WALK IN ANY WAY? WE HAVE NO DIRECT ACCESS TO THE CREEK WALK. OKAY. WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR NEIGHBOR, UH, AND IF, IF SOMETHING BECOMES AVAILABLE, OBVIOUSLY WE'D LOVE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. OKAY. SO I'M JUST, BUT NOT IN OUR PURVIEW. YEAH. YOU CAN SEE, YEAH, IT'S FARTHER FROM THE CREEK IN MY, THE CREEK IS DOWN HERE AND YEAH, THERE'S STUFF BETWEEN IT. MM-HMM. . I DON'T KNOW WHY. I THOUGHT IT WAS CLOSER IN MY HEAD. UM, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR ALREADY THOUGHTS TO SUSTAINABILITY. UM, I'M GONNA TAKE THE WIND OUT OF, UH, WILL'S SALES AND SAY, DON'T FORGET EV CHARGERS. AND . BUT I WILL TELL YOU I COULDN'T PLUG IN MY EV HERE BECAUSE OF OUR CONNECTIVITY ISSUES IN WEST SEDONA RIGHT NOW. BUT IT'S A BIG DEAL TO ME. HMM. YEAH. COOL. AND, UM, AND, AND BEING THAT, THAT MATTERS A LOT TO THIS COMMISSION, THOSE PROJECTS AND MAKING SURE WE'RE, WE'RE CATCHING WHETHER IT'S IRRIGATION OR POWER. UM, SO I'LL ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO KEEP THAT FOCUS. I THINK THESE RENDERINGS ARE ALSO REALLY HELPFUL. SO I WANNA THANK YOU FOR A GOOD PRESENTATION. I, IN MY OPINION, YOU GUYS ARE ON A REALLY GOOD TRACK AND HAVE DONE A LOT OF YOUR HOMEWORK AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. WELL, I WAS GONNA TRY TO ADDRESS WORKFORCE HOUSING, BUT IT SEEMS THAT YOU'VE GIVEN A LOT OF CONSIDERATION TO THAT. I HOPE THAT YOU'RE RIGHT, UH, THAT SOMEONE ELSE CAN SOMEHOW MAKE IT HAPPEN. UH, BECAUSE, UM, I, I MEAN, I GUESS YOU'RE COMFORTABLE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN THE STAFF THAT'S NEEDED TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OR YOU'RE GONNA BE IN BIG TROUBLE. YEAH. THERE'S NO COMFORT AROUND STAFFING A HOTEL RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY NOT IN THIS MARKET. SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST. OKAY. MM-HMM. , THERE'S A FOLLOW UP TO WILL'S QUESTION. UM, ARE YOU ABLE TO DISCLOSE OR IS IT APPROPRIATE TO ASK HOW, HOW THAT CONTRIBUTION AS AN IN IN LIEU PAYMENT FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING WOULD COME ABOUT? WE'D WRITE A CHECK AND GIVE IT TO THE CITY. HAVE YOU TALKED? WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN INITIAL NUMBER FROM THE CITY. WE HAVEN'T UHHUH WE'RE NOT FAR OFF. OKAY. WE HAVE A LITTLE, WE HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS STILL TO ASK ABOUT THE NUMBER, BUT WE'VE HAD PRETTY, I MEAN, I'M A COURAGE ON THE TABLE GUY. WHEN I SIT, I TELL THE TRUTH AND WHEN THERE'S PROBLEMS I ADDRESS 'EM. SO WE'RE NOT THERE, BUT WE'RE, THE GAP IS NOT VERY LARGE. OKAY. SO MAYBE AT A SUBSEQUENT, UH, MEETING, YOU CAN SHARE THAT WITH US SINCE IT DOES THIS PROJECT AS DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WITH, UM, THE APPROPRIATE ZONING DOESN'T GO ANY FURTHER THAN THIS COMMISSION. TYPICALLY, YOU MIGHT BE WORKING WITH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR SOME SUCH THING WITH THE COUNCIL. SO I THINK WE WOULD APPRECIATE KNOWING WHAT EXACTLY YOU'RE ABLE TO DO AND, AND HOW YOU CAN SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY AROUND HOUSING. I, I WOULD LOVE TO AT A LATER MEETING AND, AND THE BALL IS IN MY COURT, MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY. YEAH. UM, WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN DISCUSSION, UH, WITH RANDY AND WITH AUTUMN. YES. IN THIS REGARD. UM, WE ARE WELL WITHIN THE BALLPARK. UM, AND THEY HAVE BEEN GOOD PARTNERS IN THIS REGARD IN THE PAST AND CONTINUE TO BE AT THIS POINT. SO I DO FEEL THAT, UM, WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT'S AGREEABLE TO THE COUNCIL, TO THE COMMISSION AS WELL. OKAY. AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, RIGHT? THAT'S JUST A GOOD FAITH VOLUNTEER ITEM. NO, IT'S NOT. YES. . . OKAY. CHARLOTTE. UM, I WANNA GO BACK JUST LIKE I DID ON THE FIRST ITEM, AGENDA ITEM AND JUST UNDERSTAND, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA SAY, I THINK YOU HAVE A GREAT PROJECT. I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO USE STORAGE CONTAINERS, , AND I AM SO EXCITED TO SEE THEM, UH, ONCE THEY'RE IN PLACE. UM, SO I THINK IT'S AN, AN EXCITING PROJECT AND THE THINGS THAT YOU PLAN TO DO TO THE TOWER TO BRING IT INTO THE CURRENT CENTURY MILLENNIA, UM, AND YET MAKE IT LOOK COMPATIBLE WITH THE, THE CONTAINERS, IT, IT'S GONNA BE EXCITING. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT THIS IS A RENOVATION PROJECT AND YOU HAVE YOUR GRANDFATHERED IN FOR SOME HEIGHT VARIANCES. SO IT'S REALLY A QUESTION FOR CARRIE AT THIS POINT. WOULD YOU EXPLAIN AGAIN HOW THAT WORKS? BECAUSE THERE'S A 50%, [01:45:01] UM, THRESHOLD OF WHAT, UH, BELOW WHICH THE, YOU CAN STILL BE GRANDFATHERED IN INTERIOR RENOVATIONS TO A BUILDING. DON'T COUNT TOWARDS THAT. IT'S WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO THE EXTERIOR OF A BUILDING? OKAY. UM, SO IT'S TO THE WHOLE, IT'S JUST TO THAT BUILDING OR IS IT TO THE WHOLE PROJECT, WHICH NOW WILL INCLUDE SOME NEW BUILDINGS OR, AND JUST HOW DO YOU CALCULATE IT? IT WOULD BE TO THIS BUILDING IN PARTICULAR. SO IF THEY WERE EXPANDING BY MORE THAN 50% OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA OR IF THE, THE WORK TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING EXCEEDS 50% OF THE VALUATION OF THE, OR 25%, WHATEVER THE NUMBERS ARE, SORRY, UM, OF THE VALUATION OF THE BUILDING. BUT ALL OF THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING INSIDE THE HOTEL ROOMS AND ALL THAT WOULD NOT COUNT. SO IT, WE PRETTY MUCH IN THIS CASE BE LOOKING AT THE RESTAURANT SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE WORK THERE. MM-HMM. . UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE CONCERNS THAT IT WOULD HIT THAT THRESHOLD THAT WOULD, I MEAN, THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, DO MORE IN THE FUTURE, BUT I THINK THIS IS FROM WHAT THEY'VE TOLD US, THIS IS THEIR ULTIMATE PLAN FOR THE, AND THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT PLAN FOR THE, SO ROOF DECK OR THE, ANY OF THAT WOULD BE, UM, SO THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING THAT WOULD INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF, SO ALL OF THE STAIR TOWERS, ALL OF THE ELEVATOR TOWERS, ALL OF THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. MM-HMM. . UM, SO THEY WOULD JUST BE PUTTING A NEW DECK ON THE EXISTING ROOF AND THEY'RE, I THINK THEY, EVEN THE PARAPETS ARE ALREADY AT A GUARDRAIL HEIGHT AND, AND ALL OF THAT. CARRIE? NO, WE, THE, WE WOULD PUT A, THE RAILING WOULD BE SLIGHTLY HIGHER , BUT IT WOULD STILL BE WELL BELOW ANY OF THE YEAH. FOR SAFETY. OKAY. YEAH. WE'VE OKAY. SHOT DOWN SOME OTHER THINGS HE WANTED TO DO BASED ON THAT MANY, MANY THINGS. YEAH. , YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL US EVERYTHING. YEAH. UM, SO LET ME SEE. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. , I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHERE YOUR EMPLOYEES LIVE NOW. IT'S NOT A, WELL ONE OF THEM'S HERE. MANAGER. YES. COTTON COTTONWOOD, VILLE. YEAH. COTTONWOOD. THE MAJORITY OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE FROM COTTONWOOD. YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK, YOU NEED TO AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. HELLO, I'M NICHOLAS HATCHER. I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR THE PROPERTY. I LIVE IN COTTONWOOD, ARIZONA. UM, MANY OF MY EMPLOYEES LIVE IN COTTONWOOD. I DO HAVE, UM, A GOOD AMOUNT IN RIM ROCK AND THEN ALSO SOME IN CAMP VERDE ALSO. DO YOU PROVIDE A SHUTTLE? UH, WE DO NOT. NO. I THINK I UNDERSTOOD AS YOU WERE TALKING, BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR MYSELF EARLIER. THE RESTAURANT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. IT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. WE, WE ARE EMPHASIZING AND WE'VE KIND OF SET IT ON THE SITE IN A WAY THAT WE WANT THAT PUBLIC TO WALK TO IT. THERE IS PARKING FOR THEM, BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT ENCOURAGING THAT PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE. SO WE'LL GET A LOT OF INTERNAL CAPTURE, UH, FROM THE GUESTS. UH, BUT NO, ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. OKAY. UM, AND THEN THERE WERE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE PARCELS INVOLVED AND YOU WERE GONNA COMBINE, UM, MOST OF 'EM, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE THE, WHAT YOU'RE CALLING SITE A THE, FOR THE, UM, STORAGE CONTAINERS IS NOT GONNA BE COMBINED. IS THAT CORRECT? AND IF SO, WHY? I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE AN ABSOLUTE, WE DON'T CARE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S ONE PROJECT TO US. SO I THINK ONE OF THE REA WE'RE PRESENTING IT AS THAT PARCEL BECAUSE THAT'S A LEGAL PARCEL AND WE'RE ADDING UNITS TO THAT LEGAL ZONED LODGING PARCEL. SO FOR, FOR THE PURPOSE OF SIMPLICITY OF THIS, OF THIS PROCESS, MM-HMM. WE'RE SHOWING THAT AS ITS OWN PARCEL. ULTIMATELY COMBINING IT ALL INTO ONE, I DON'T THINK WE CARE AT ALL. OKAY. SO, BECAUSE IT MADE ME WONDER, I I WOULD JUST SAY THAT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE LODGING ZONING AND THE LODGING WAS APPROVED FOR THESE LOTS SEPARATELY. AND SO TO KEEP KIND OF, BECAUSE LODGING ZONING HAS THAT NUMBER ATTACHED TO IT, BECAUSE THESE WEREN'T APPROVED AT THE SAME TIME AS A LODGING PROJECT, WE KIND OF DO NEED TO KEEP THEM SEPARATE TO KEEP THE LODGING, THE D THE THE LODGING ZONING CLEAR FOR EACH PARCEL, IF THAT MAKES SENSE FOR, FOR FUTURE POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL UNITS OR NOT. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? NOT, YEAH. YEAH. UM, AND, AND I JUST WONDERED IF IT HAD ANYTHING TO DO BECAUSE THE LOOK IS GONNA BE SO DIFFERENT FOR THE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT ACTUALLY, IT'S SOMEWHAT, IT'S A UNIQUE QUALITY TO THIS PROJECT. WHEN WE'RE ALL DONE, WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT KIND OF GUEST OFFERINGS AND EXPERIENCES AND SO WE'RE GONNA LEAN INTO THAT. SO LIKE ONE PLACE, BUT MANY ADVENTURES. MM-HMM. . UM, [01:50:01] SO IT'S NOT GONNA GET SPUN OFF AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE? NO, NO. IT HAS NO PUBLIC AREA, NO LOBBY. SO YEAH, THERE'S NO, NO PLAN FOR THAT. ARE YOU, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A QUESTION THAT'S RELEVANT RIGHT NOW, BUT ARE YOU GOING TO REBRAND BECAUSE BEST WESTERN MM-HMM. MIGHT NOT HAVE THE CACHET THAT YOU'RE THINKING. SO LET ME, UM, TELL YOU THE HOOK. GOOD QUESTION. THE NAME YOU SEE DOWN HERE, HOTEL SEDONA IS WHAT WE INTEND TO CALL IT. THAT NAME IS AVAILABLE. WE THINK IT'S UNIQUE TO UPTOWN. IT COULD STILL BE A BEST WESTERN. THEY HAVE SOME ELEVATED BRANDS WHERE THE BEST WESTERN IS KIND OF A SUBTEXT, KIND OF LIKE AUTOGRAPHIC ELECTION TO MARRIOTT. SO WE ARE IN CONTINUED DISCUSSION. THEY WOULD LOVE TO KEEP IT. AND I HAVE TO JUST GIVE KUDOS TO BEST WESTERN. THEY'RE AN OUTSTANDING BRAND PARTNER. WE HAVE THEM ALL IN OUR PORTFOLIO. THEY'RE THE BEST PEOPLE. THEY'RE LOCALLY BASED. THEY'RE IN FI LOCALLY, THEY'RE IN PHOENIX. THEY'RE NOT-FOR-PROFIT. THEY GAVE THE BEST SUPPORT TO US OF ALL THE HOTEL BRANDS. WE WORKED WITH IT DURING COVID, SO WE HAVE AN AFFINITY FOR THEM. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT THAT IT COULD HAVE A RATE LIMITATION AND WE CANNOT AFFORD THAT. WE MUST GET RATE. SO IT'S AN OPEN QUESTION AND IT'S A GOOD ONE. MM-HMM. UM, THERE WAS A COMMENT OR A STATEMENT SOMEWHERE IN THE PACKAGE. I DIDN'T WRITE THAT, UM, THE PAGE NUMBER DOWN ABOUT FUTURE TRAIL NODE. AND I KINDA WONDERED WHERE THAT NODE MIGHT BE. SO IT GOES BACK TO THE CONVERSATION THAT WE DON'T HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO TRAILS OR TO THE, UH, THE RIVER OR THE THE CREEK. MM-HMM. . UM, WHAT WE HAVE PROVIDED IS A NEW SIDEWALK ALONG ART BARN ROAD, WHICH IS ALONG OUR PROPERTY LINE. RIGHT NOW. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO PRECONCEIVE THAT IF THERE'S GOING TO BE PUBLIC ACCESS THROUGH THE PROPERTY, JUST FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, WE DON'T WANT THAT GOING THROUGH THE GUEST ROOMS AND THAT GUEST AREA. BUT WE ARE PROVIDING A ROUTE THAT GOES ALONG ART BARN ROAD AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE SHOWING A NODE THAT'S IN THAT UPPER NORTHEAST CORNER WITH THE IDEA EVENTUALLY THAT CONNECTS, YOU KNOW, NOT KNOWING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE. UM, IF THERE IS A LOCATION THAT WE CAN CONNECT BACK INTO THAT TRAIL SYSTEM, IT WOULD BE FROM THAT CORNER, LIKE THE MICRO MOBILITY SOLUTION THAT THE CITY'S CONSIDERING AS PART OF SIM. SO THAT'S THE IDEA IS THAT IT COULD CONNECT TO WHATEVER THE CITY DOES, BUT WE WON'T HAVE ANY ACTUAL CONNECTION ON PROPERTY. MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, ALSO IN THE AREA UNDER PRESERVING OAK CREEK WATERSHED WAS WHERE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT GRAYWATER RECOVERY PLANS WERE. AND I THOUGHT, WHAT ARE THEY, WHAT ARE THEY SAYING HERE? I MEAN, YOUR GRAYWATER RECOVERY IS NOT GOING INTO OAK CREEK. RIGHT? YEAH. THAT DOES SEEM LIKE A CONFUSED STATEMENT. GRAYWATER RECOVERY'S AN IMPORTANT FEATURE. THIS, THESE UNITS ARE DESIGNED, UH, TO RECOVER GRAY WATER THAT WE'RE ADDING AND WE INTEND TO USE IT ON SITE. SO, UM, BUT I IT WILL DEFINITELY NOT BE GOING INTO OAK CREEK. WE WILL, YOU MIGHT WANNA PUT IT IN A DIFFERENT YEAH. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BE WORKING WITH FRIENDS OF VERDE RIVER. GREAT. AND THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA HOLD OUR FEET TO THE FIRE AND WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT THEY ASK. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US. WELL, AND THEY'RE FRIENDS OF OAK CREEK, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVEN'T FORMED UNDER THAT NAME AND IT'S EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY YEAH. THAT'S CONCERNED ABOUT OAK CREEK. YES. AB I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A I REPLACEABLE AMENITY. IT'S A, IT'S A TREASURE. SO. MM-HMM. . SO ARE YOU GONNA BE GETTING CERTIFICATION FROM THEM? YES. GREAT. NICE. UM, IS IT, I THINK I SAW A STATEMENT ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT COULD HELP, THAT COULD BENEFIT SAC. UH, IS THAT 29 SPACES? THERE'S NOT A HARD FAST NUMBER. SO WE KNOW WE HAVE OVER PARKED IT AND I, I HAVE A VERY CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH JULIE RICHARDS FROM THERE. SO WHEN THERE'S AN EVENT, WE HAVE EXTRA SPACES. WE MIGHT HAVE TO TANDEM PARK, WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO OTHER THINGS TO ACCOMMODATE AN EVENT HERE OR THERE. SO WE'RE PROVIDING THE RAW MATERIAL IN ORDER TO PROVIDE PARKING SOLUTIONS AS FOR SAC. BUT THERE'S NO HARD AND FAST NUMBER. OKAY. UM, ONE LAST THING, JUST, UH, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WORK OR HOUSING, I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED TO KNOW DOWN THE ROAD WHAT THE UNIT PRICE COST OF A ONE OF THESE RENOVATED STORAGE CONTAINERS IS $184,000. YEAH. IT'S ON THAT SPARK AND STEEL WEBSITE. YEAH. OKAY. SO IF YOU WERE TO BUY ONE OF THEIR UNITS ON THEIR WEBSITE RIGHT NOW, AND IT IS TOTALLY OFF THE GRID SEWER WATER POWER, THAT'S 180. WE HAVE PUT, AS PART OF THE WORK WE'VE INTRODUCED STEEL [01:55:01] AND SPARK TO THE CITY, WE'VE, THEY'VE, THEY DEVELOPED THAT X-WING SOLUTION FOR THE CITY OF PHOENIX FOR HOW THOSE PEOPLE, THEY'VE DONE, THEY'RE SOME OF THE MOST CREATIVE PEOPLE. THEY WON THE INNOVATION AWARD ITSELF BY SOUTHWEST THIS YEAR. THERE'S A ONE THAT'S THE QUALITY OF PEOPLE AND WE THINK THEY COULD PLAY A REALLY INTERESTING PART IN, IN PROVIDING LOW COST AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY. DITTO. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S IT FOR ME DOWN HERE. I THINK WE'RE THIS WAY. I THINK WE'RE ROLLING THIS WAY. SHERRY, ARE YOU LAST? NOPE. JOE, YOU STARTED WITH ME. YEAH. SO I DID . UM, THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU USED THE WORD REVITALIZE AS A PART OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE LET'S BE HONEST, I THINK THE NORTH END'S PRETTY BEAT. SO, UM, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONNECTION TO THE ART CENTER. I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE FABULOUS. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, I THINK IT'S GOING TO DRAW PEOPLE. 'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, PEOPLE STOP, MYSELF INCLUDED. UM, AND THEY TURN AROUND. SO I ALSO REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR BEING OF SERVICE AND ALL OF THE ENGAGEMENT THAT YOU'RE DOING IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S LIKE KIND OF PUTTING YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT COMING IN AND TRYING TO MAKE A GREEDY PROFIT. IT'S ABOUT BEING ENGAGED WITH OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL. UM, AS WELL AS OBVIOUSLY THE SUSTAINABILITY FEATURES. YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF ALWAYS MY LITTLE SPIEL BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AS WELL. UM, ESPECIALLY IN THIS, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE COUNTRY. UM, A FEW QUESTIONS I HAD. I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE REMODELING AND PART OF THE PRESENTATION SAID YOU'RE GONNA BE REPAINTING THE MAIN BUILDING. SO DO YOU, DO THEY HAVE TO MEET THE NEW COLOR CODES FOR LRV? YES. REPAINTING. AN ENTIRE BUILDING WILL REQUIRE THEM TO, SO IT'LL NO LONGER BE LIKE THE WHITISH COLOR. I HOPE NOT. OKAY. I DON'T DO COLORS , BUT NO. RIGHT. I WAS JUST WONDERING 'CAUSE WE'RE PRETTY STRICT ABOUT WHAT OUR COLOR REQUIREMENTS ARE, SO I WAS JUST SEEING IF THAT WAS GOING TO SHIFT AND CHANGE. UM, ROOFTOP DECK. USUALLY MOST PEOPLE SQUAWK ABOUT THAT. INTERESTING. NOBODY REALLY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THAT AS FAR AS IT'S GORGEOUS UP THERE. AS FAR. YEAH. BUT IT'S A SPECIAL SPOT. I THINK WHAT YOU'LL HEAR FROM PEOPLE IS WHAT ABOUT NOISE? WHAT ABOUT LIGHTS? YES. YEAH. I WANT, AND IT'S LABELED AS EVENT. I MEAN IT'S, IF WE CREATE THAT SPACE, IT'S AN INCREDIBLE GUEST AMENITY. RIGHT. SO WE SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN EVENT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, THIS IS A SMALL HOTEL. IT HAS NO MEETING SPACE TO SPEAK. WELL, I CALCULATED IT'S ONLY 1800 SQUARE FEET. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT FOR A COCKTAIL HOUR, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU HAVE A GROUP COME IN, I WOULD LOVE TO DO STAR GAZING. I'VE BEEN UP THERE AT NIGHT. IT'S INCREDIBLE FOR STAR GAZING. SO IT'S, IT'S IT'S WE'RE, IT'S SO UNIQUE. 'CAUSE IT HAS THE TWO STAIRS IN THE ELEVATOR AND WE'RE LIKE, HOW DO WE USE THIS AGAIN IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY? RIGHT. SO YEAH, MY FIRST PLAN WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE AMBITIOUS . BUT I THINK IF, IF WE, IT MIGHT HAVE SENT MUSIC ACROSS THE CREEK TO THE PEOPLE. IT'S NOT ABOUT LIVE ON OTHER SIDE. IT'S NOT ABOUT, I HAD A LITTLE BUILDING UP THERE TO DO FOOD SERVICE OUT AND I WAS, I WAS TOLD NO. SO IT CAME AWAY. BUT I FEEL, YOU KNOW, THIS SOLUTION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING MAKES THE SPACE SAFE AND USABLE AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE AN INCREDIBLE SPOT. OKAY. UM, REALLY APPRECIATE THE IN LOFI. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. UM, MM-HMM. ALSO, I MEAN, IT'S FABULOUS. I WISH THE CITY HOUSING PROJECTS WERE MOVING FORWARD AND THOSE AND LU FEES WERE BEING ACTUALLY ME TOO USED. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, ROME WASN'T BUILT IN A DAY. SO, LET'S SEE, UM, PARKING, I SAW THAT 117 ARE REQUIRED. IT'S ALMOST A MARKUP OF 30% TO, WHAT IS IT, 1 47 THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING? MM-HMM. . CORRECT. AND I GUESS I WAS JUST CURIOUS, THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHUNK. UM, AND WHERE THE DECISION WAS, AND MAYBE IT'S TO SUPPORT THE ART CENTER, BUT WHERE THE DECISION WAS FOR, TO IMPLEMENT THAT SORT OF RELATIVELY HARDSCAPE VERSUS KEEPING, YOU KNOW, TRUNCATING IT. YEAH. I, I MEAN, PARKING'S AT A PREMIUM, YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE PARK DOWN THERE. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SEDONA ARTS CENTER WOULD DO IF THAT, IF SOME PARKING WASN'T AVAILABLE. EXACTLY. AND I SEE A FUTURE FOR SEDONA ARTS CENTER THAT'S MUCH MORE ACTIVE. YEAH. AND IT COULD BE ACTIVE IN A JOINT PARTNERSHIP. SO IF THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REDEVELOP THE YARD BARN IN A WAY THAT IT'S A MORE INTERESTING EVENT SPACE, WE'LL WE'LL RENT IT FROM THEM AND USE IT INSTEAD OF BUILDING OUR OWN. SO WE'RE, WE, WE THINK IT'S AN, WE THINK IT'S A VALUABLE RESOURCE. IT'S NOT FREE, BUT IT'S NOT CHEAP. I GET IT. IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE LANDSCAPING AND STUFF. RIGHT. IS IT GOING TO BE PAY PARKING BY ANY CHANCE? NO. NO. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT'S A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE LANDING? I SAW THAT ON THE PLANE. WELL, I'M SO GLAD YOU ASKED . SO THE CITY HAS, UM, THE ELEVATOR THAT COMES, YOU KNOW, DOWN FROM WAY OR [02:00:01] OVER ON THE OTHER WAYSIDE, SHAFT WAYSIDE WAY A WAYSIDE CHAPEL UHHUH. AND THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT CONTINUING THAT BRIDGE ACROSS THE, UM, HIGHWAY. OH. UM, TO HAVE SOMETHING ACROSS THERE. AND SO THEY ARE LEAVING A SPACE ON THEIR SITE WHERE THAT COULD, UM, COME, WHAT ARE CALLING IT? PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE LANDING. I DIDN'T SEE THAT. SO IT'S SO BASICALLY A PAD FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF AN OVERPASS RIGHT HERE. YEAH. IF, IF, IF I MAY GIVE A PITCH. 'CAUSE I'VE GIVEN THIS TO EVERY CITY PERSON I CAN WRANGLE. SO YOU, YOU, THERE'S THE CONCEPT OF A BRIDGE, THAT'S WHY YOU BUILT THAT TOWER AND EVERYTHING ELSE. MY IDEA IS IF THAT BRIDGE CAME ACROSS, IT WOULD BE AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FEATURE THAT PEOPLE WOULD NOTICE. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. MM-HMM. . SO IF YOU WANNA GET ON THE BRIDGE, PARK YOUR CAR, GET OUT OF IT AND WALK, PEOPLE CAN'T SPEND MONEY ON THEIR CAR. THEY CAN'T BUY A BURGER. THEY CAN'T BUY A, A RUG. AND IT ALSO, CC CREATES A LOOP. I HA I LOVE JORDAN ROAD AND THAT AREA, AND I CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE NEXT WAVE OF, YOU KNOW, LOCAL BUSINESSES. SO IF YOU HAVE A FOREST ROAD GARAGE, A FOR A JORDAN ROAD THAT IS ATTRACTIVE TO WALK ON, YOU'RE CREATING THIS PEDESTRIAN LOOP FROM FOREST ROAD GARAGE, JORDAN ROAD, ACROSS THE BRIDGE ONTO MAIN STREET, BACK DOWN AND AROUND. YOU ALSO ACTIVATE THE O AND B LOTS UP THERE THAT ARE UNDERUTILIZED. SO THAT'S WHY I KEEP, SO, I'M SO GLAD I GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY IT AGAIN IN PUBLIC. UM, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT FEATURE THAT THE CITY SHOULD CONSIDER. I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT, UM, THE CITY IN GREAT WAYS. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, LET'S SEE. THE TREE AND ALL OF THE PLANTINGS. I THINK IT WOULD BE SUPER COOL IF WHEN THEY'RE REPLANTED AND THEY'RE GROWING, IF THERE COULD BE LIKE LITTLE EDUCATIONAL PLAQUES. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. SO THAT PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY. WE, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY, AND I HAVEN'T DONE IT, THE ARBOR'S TOLD ME TO TEAR DOWN THE TREE AND I SAID, I JUST CAN'T DO IT YET. YEAH. UM, WE HOPE TO ACTUALLY PRESERVE PIECES OF THE TREE, USE IT IN DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS. SO WE DEFINITELY, THE STORY OF THE JORDAN TREES DOWN THERE IS REMARKABLE. RIGHT. SO I PROMISE YOU WE WILL BE TELLING THAT STORY. GREAT. I THINK, UH, I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, JOE. GO AHEAD. NOT TO BE TOO LONG, SORRY. UM, YOUR ENTHUSIASM IS, IS SUPER COOL. AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY IS SUPER COOL, AS WELL AS THE SUSTAINABILITY, UH, UNDERSTANDING THE HISTORY OF OUR COMMUNITY. UH, SO IT'S, IT'S REFRESHING TO BE QUITE HONEST. AND, AND ALSO THAT YOU'RE SITTING HERE AND, AND YOU'VE WORKED WITH CITY STAFF AND THEY'VE SHUT DOWN SOME IDEAS AND YOU'RE NOT BERATING STAFF. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL. WELL, NOT IN PUBLIC . I APPRECIATE THAT. IT'S VERY MUCH, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, AS WE TALK ABOUT, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN OUR, YOU KNOW, REALLY ACTIVATING THIS LAST JORDAN TREE. AND OF COURSE YOU ALSO HAVE THE IRRIGATION DITCH. THERE'S, UH, I WAS JUST RECENTLY IN TUCSON AND THERE WAS THIS HISTORICAL, WE WERE DOWNTOWN TUCSON, AND SOME OF THEIR, UH, HISTORICAL AREA HAD KIND OF LIKE A WALKING TRAIL THAT HAD LITTLE PLAQUES THAT WERE JUST LITTLE, LITTLE TIDBITS. LIKE, THEY WEREN'T THAT HARD. THEY WERE SIMPLE SOMEWHERE ON THE GROUND WHERE YOU'RE WALKING, SO YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, WHY IS THIS, WHY IS THIS SIDEWALK ALL SUN BLUE? YOU KNOW? UM, AND IT JUST, IT ACTIVATED THAT, THAT VERY SMALL SPACE IN, IN A VERY DESOLATE AREA OF TUCSON. SO, UH, NOT IN THE HIGHLY DEVELOPED AREA, BUT OFF TO THE SIDE. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IDEA OF PLAQUES, AND IT CAME TO ME BECAUSE WE HAD SOME OTHER, WE HAVE SOME OTHER PROPERTIES OR PROJECTS HAVE COME TO US WITH HISTORICAL PIECES, UH, AND, AND THEY WERE, OH, WE'RE GONNA PUT A PLAQUE. BUT IT ALSO WAS JUST ACTIVATING THAT SPACE. SO YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, WHAT DOES THE NEXT PLAQUE SAY? AND, AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. LIKE, I WAS LIKE, OH, LET'S GO UP THESE STAIRS AND LET'S SEE WHAT THIS SAYS. UM, AND, AND SO, UH, AS WE, WE SEE THESE CHANGES OCCURRING WITHIN THE, OUR DOWN OUR UPTOWN AREA, WE'LL SEE MORE DEVELOPMENT HOW TO, AGAIN, JUST, AND I DON'T MEAN LIKE, YOU KNOW, BANG YOUR DRUM KIND OF THING, BUT JUST SO PEOPLE START, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING, LOOKING AROUND, REALIZING, HEY, THIS IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE RANCHING HISTORY OF ARIZONA MM-HMM. , RIGHT. THE ORIGINAL WINE COUNTRY, UH, WI ORCHARDS, MOVIE STARS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. WE KNOW SOME OF THAT, BUT I THINK FOLKS FORGET, ESPECIALLY NEW PEOPLE WHO COME TO ARIZONA THAT WE ARE A RANCHING STATE. YEAH. AND FARMING AND RANCHING IS WHO WE ARE. IT'S THE BASE OF ARIZONA. AND, UH, AND BEING ABLE TO ACTIVATE THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. UH, I DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE TO SAY OTHER THAN WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID. I THINK WE'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH ON THE SAME PAGE. YOU CAN SEE OUR ENTHUSIASM. SO THANKS AGAIN FOR EVERYTHING AND THANKS FOR YOUR HOSPITALITY THIS MORNING. OH, ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION. I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE A LOT, BUT [02:05:01] WE, THIS, IF YOU'RE GONNA STAY HERE, YOU'RE GONNA BE WALKING AROUND. THAT'S JUST THE DESIGN OF THIS. AND SO IT GIVES US A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE POINTS OF INTEREST IN THOSE AREAS. I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. DID YOU, DID YOU FINISH UP? YEAH. DID YOU WANNA I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE ROOF. IT, YEAH. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. I, I DO ENJOY BANGING THE DRUM, UH, FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION. SO I, I THINK I'LL START THERE. UM, THE, UH, MUSEUM PROVIDED ME WITH TWO DOCUMENTS, AND I SUPPOSE THEY HAVE, YOU ALSO PROVIDED THEM TO YOU, AND ONE IS THE, UM, LEMME FIND THEM HERE. OH, NO, THEY'RE OVER HERE. UM, ONE IS THE HISTORY OF THE JORDAN DITCH. MM-HMM. , WHICH WE THOUGHT WE COULD SEE THROUGH THE BLACKBERRIES, UH, BUT REALLY DIDN'T, AND THESE ARE WONDERFUL RESOURCES, UH, REALLY GOOD RESEARCH. AND I'M PRESUMING THEY'VE HANDLED DOCUMENTS. WE GOT BOTH OF THESE DOCUMENTS OF, WE'VE SPENT A COUPLE HOURS TALKING ABOUT IT THIS MORNING. AND I'M, UH, MEETING WITH LONNIE, WHO'S LIKE THE DITCH GURU, APPARENTLY TOMORROW MORNING AT NINE. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, MICHAEL AND OTTUM AND I TALKED ABOUT IT QUITE A BIT THIS MORNING. UH, LOOKING AT THE SITE, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE CONDITION OF IT NOW, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . BUT THE LOCATION OF EVERYTHING ELSE, WE CAN EITHER PRESERVE IT AND CONTINUE IT, OR RIGHT. PAY RESPECT TO IT IF IT'S, IF SO, UH, WE THINK THAT THAT'S KIND OF A NO BRAINER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UH, A FEATURE OF THE PROPERTY AT THE END OF THE DAY. SO, I, I'M LOOKING FOR YOUR TERMINOLOGY. OH. PRESERVE HISTORIC ELEMENTS. SO COULD YOU EXPAND UPON THAT WHEN IN YOUR, UH, LETTER ETTE IN YOUR PROJECT MATERIALS REFERRED TO THE JORDAN DITCHES PRESERVING HISTORIC ELEMENTS? SO I WAS UNSURE WHETHER, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH IT AND HOW ARE YOU GONNA SHOW IT OFF, AND HOW ARE YOU GONNA SIGN IT? YEAH. MICHAEL, DO YOU WANNA TALK? SURE. UM, RIGHT NOW IT IS JUST SORT OF EAST OF THE EXISTING RE OR THE NEW REST, THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT, I SHOULD SAY , UM, AND THE NEW ART PLAZA. MM-HMM. , ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE ARE GOING TO PUT IN THERE TO CONNECT THE ENTIRE SITE IS GOING TO BE A PEDESTRIAN LINKAGE THAT COMES OFF OF THE PLAZA AND GOES SORT OF BELOW THE RESTAURANT DECK AND SORT OF WRAPS BACK AROUND. WHAT THAT'S GONNA DO IS CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A SMALL BRIDGE ELEMENT THAT BRIDGES OVER THE, THE DITCH. AND AT THAT POINT, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ADD TO YOUR POINT, SOME KIND OF ELEMENT THAT'S ON THAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE IT CHANGING FROM HARDSCAPE TO A METAL GRATE THAT BECOMES TRANSPARENT, THAT HAS A LITTLE PLAQUE ON IT THAT TALKS ABOUT THE HISTORY OF HOW THE WATER HAS PASSED THROUGH THAT AREA. UM, AND SO IT WILL BE SHOWN OFF, IT'LL BE, BECOME A FEATURE. DO, AM I CORRECT IT ENDS WITH, UM, A ROYAL ROBLE? NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF INFORMATION MM-HMM. THAT DOESN'T, THAT I WOULD SAY IS NOT IRRECONCILABLE, BUT IT IS CONFUSING AT THIS POINT. MM-HMM. . SO THAT'S WHAT WE, WE THINK IT MIGHT GO UNDER OUR ALL THE WAY TO ROAD. RIGHT. AND SO, GREAT, WE WILL PRESERVE THAT. WE'VE ALREADY SEEN HOW WE CAN DO THAT. COULD ONE OF THOSE DITCH WI WIZARDS OUT THERE WITH DIVIDING STICK, I THINK. BUT IT IS, IT IS A VISIBLE COMPONENT OF THAT, OF THE COMMUNITY. I DID JUST TAKE ONE OF MY GOLF BALLS AND START, IT'LL FIND WATER . WELL, I JUST, I GUESS I WANNA UNDERSCORE IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE THE HISTORIC FEATURES. THERE. THERE WAS, I HAVE A SLIDE FROM MY GRANDPARENTS THAT SHOWS A BEAUTIFUL WOODEN, UM, WATER WHEEL, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? WATER WHEEL. WATER WHEEL, YEAH. THAT WAS, I THINK, CLOSER TO SACK. YEAH. AND CLOSER TO THE ROAD. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT TODAY AS WELL. YEAH. AND, AND, AND IN THE CONTEXT THERE, UM, OF COURSE THERE'S THE ART CENTER THAT WAS THE JORDAN PACKING SHED. MM-HMM. , I MEAN, IN WITHIN YOUR, THE REALM OF YOUR INFLUENCE, THE JORDAN BUILDING, THE RETAIL SALE, SALES BUILDING ON THE CORNER WHERE THOSE APPLES AND PEACHES WERE SOLD, WERE SOLD. UM, THE DITCH ITSELF, UM, THERE'S A LOT TO TELL THERE. AND WHEN WE HAD A SIMILAR PROJECT FOR LODGING ON SHNE HILL ROAD, I AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS MADE, MADE A POINT OF WANTING TO EMPHASIZE HOW YOU CAN EDUCATE YOUR OWN GUESTS TO THE VERY LOCAL CULTURE ON WHICH THESE PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. SO I'LL BE LOOKING FOR THAT INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE. UM, AND I KNOW THAT NATE MYERS, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE, THE, UH, SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY MUSEUM WILL WORK WITH YOU ON THAT. OH, HE'S THE BEST. HE IS THE BEST. AND HE SHOWED UP AT THE SITE VISIT. I KNOW. SEEING, I THINK IT'S TERRIFIC. YEAH. YEAH. I DID TELL HIM ABOUT IT. UM, FROM THERE, UM, THAT JORDAN, UH, THE TREE, WELL, LET ME GO, LET ME PIVOT TO SAC. I'M A PAST PROUD MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF THE [02:10:01] TRUSTEES OF THE SEDONA ARTS CENTER, AND I KNOW ITS PARKING NEEDS ARE, UM, REAL FOR SPECIAL EVENTS FOR STUDENTS, FOR VISITING ARTISTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. SO I THINK YOU SAID THAT WHEREAS THEY HAVE HUNDREDS OF PARKING SPACES ON A DIRT LOT, YOU MIGHT BAKE IN 29 SPACES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF. THERE WILL BE, THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED TO SAC OR SHARED? NO, THEY WILL NOT BE. THAT'S, I WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR. WE CANNOT DEDICATE THEM TO SAC. OKAY. WE'RE PROVIDING EXCESS PARKING. AND THAT CAN FLEX FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES, DEPENDING, SAC DOESN'T HAVE AN ALWAYS NEED. YES. MOST OF PEOPLE TO PARK DOWN THERE NOW ARE JUST PARKING. THEY'RE JUST PEOPLE WHO DRIVE DOWN OUR PARK. OH, HERE'S FREE PARKING, AND THEY PARK. RIGHT. SO WELL, AND SAC ADVERTISES THAT THEY HAVE PARKING. RIGHT. AND, AND IF SACS DOING AN EVENT, THAT'S GONNA BE GOOD FOR US. YES. I MEAN, THE, THE PLAIN AIR FESTIVAL, WHICH IS COMING UP, IS A REALLY IMPORTANT, WE'RE A BIG SPONSOR OF THAT. THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT, THAT'S WHAT GOT ME MY JUICES GOING ORIGINALLY. SO, UM, I CANNOT COMMIT 29 SPACES. I CAN SAY WE ARE OVER PARKING. MM-HMM. . AND WE WILL CONTINUE OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH SEDONA ART CENTER. IT REALLY, THE SUCCESS OF SEDONA ART CENTER HAS A BIG INFLUENCE ON US, SO. RIGHT. WELL, YOU'VE SUGGESTED THAT, THAT THERE'S A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP THAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD UPON, BUT IT, I DON'T KNOW IF JULIE'S PLANNING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW, IS SAC GETTING WHAT IT NEEDS WHEN YOU BUILD THIS AND EXPAND AND REMODEL AND ADD THE CONTAINERS? IF YOU ASK JULIE, SHE NEVER GETS WHAT SHE NEEDS, BUT OKAY. I WILL GIVE HER WHAT I CAN. . ALL RIGHT. WELL, MAYBE, MAYBE SHE'LL BE SPEAKING LATER. I SUSPECT SHE MIGHT BE. I THINK I, YOU'VE TOLD US THAT THAT PARTNERSHIP IN THAT, UM, PROXIMITY IS IMPORTANT TO YOU. YOU'VE MENTIONED THE ARTS PLAZA, BUT I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE IF, IF S SAC IS GETTING WHAT IT WANTS AND IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PARTNER WITH THEM ON THE, ON THE KIND OF ITEMS THAT THEY MIGHT BRING UP, I SUSPECT THAT SPECIAL EVENTS MAY FLOW THERE. RIGHT. I SUSPECT MAYBE THAT ROOF DECK MIGHT BE ONE THING AS WELL. IT COULD BE A GREAT PLANNER. I'D IMAGINE SOME PAINTING UP THERE WOULD BE PRETTY INCREDIBLE. YEAH. WELL, BEST WESTERN HAS BEEN GOOD TO SACK. I KNOW THEY'VE GIVEN ROOMS FOR PLANNER ARTISTS IN THE PAST. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO THAT. NOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD YEAH. THERE'S ALREADY A PREEXISTING EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE OF THE PERSONNEL THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING THERE. YEAH. YEAH. WELL, IT'S THE ETHOS OF ENSEMBLE TOO. I MEAN, THAT'S HOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE NAME OF OUR COMPANY, IT'S ENSEMBLE DOESN'T SAY ME. IT SAYS US. AND THAT'S HOW WE OPERATE. GOOD POINT. I REMEMBER THE, UM, WHAT DID YOU CALL IT? I'M LOOKING FOR THE NAME. WHAT DID YOU SAY THAT WAS GREAT? OH, THE FRAGMENTED CONSTRUCTION. UM, I REMEMBER THAT STRUCTURE. IT LOOKED LIKE A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY START AND STOP WHEN IT WAS JUST CEMENT. AND I WONDERED IF YOU'D EVER CONSIDERED SH UH, SH SHARING THE EVOLUTION OF THAT IN PHOTOS OR SOMETHING IN, IN YOUR, THIS ISN'T DESIGN REVIEW. RIGHT. THIS ISN'T DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, BUT I'M JUST SUGGESTING THERE'S A FUNNY START THERE. YEAH. AND, AND IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE EYESORE FOR SO MANY YEARS BECAUSE IT WAS FIVE STORIES AND JUST CEMENT AND RIGHT. NOTHING ELSE HAD HAPPENED, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST YOU MIGHT ENJOY SHOWING THE EVOLUTION FROM THAT TO CONTAINERS. YEAH. WE ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO PHIL EVANS WHO BUILT IT ORIGINALLY WHEN WE BOUGHT IT. AND WHILE WE, WHILE I REACHED OUT TO HIM WHEN WE WERE UNDER CONTRACTS, I WANTED TO LEARN MORE, AND HE WAS NERVOUS ABOUT TALKING WHILE WE WERE UNDER CONTRACT UHHUH. BUT THAT CONTACT'S IMPORTANT TO US. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE, I DON'T KNOW THE TOTAL STORY OF HOW THAT THING WAS BUILT. YEAH. SO I'M VERY CURIOUS. RIGHT. WELL, AND AGAIN, THE MUSEUM WILL HAVE ALL THOSE ARCHIVAL PHOTOS THAT YOU COULD GRAB IF YOU WANT TO. UM, SO I, I THINK I'VE BEATEN TO DEATH. WHAT DOES SAC GET? AND I'LL MOVE ON TO ANOTHER, UM, WE DISCUSS IN LOU, UH, THE PARKING STUDY. UM, LET'S SEE. AND LET ME SEE FROM THE QUESTIONS AND REMARKS THAT YOU MADE HERE. IF THERE'S THINGS I WANTED TO PART, UM, RETURN TO, OH, YOU SAID THE HOTEL WOULD OPERATE WHILE YOU WERE BRINGING IN THE CONTAINERS. WELL, OUR, OUR HOPE IS BECAUSE THE WORK WE HAVE TO DO IN THE HOTEL IS REALLY VERTICAL. MM-HMM. THAT'S AND INTERIOR. AND INTERIOR FOR THE MOST PART. SO WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN TAKE DOWN HALF THE HOTEL, KEEP HALF THE TO HOTEL OPERATING. RIGHT. FINISH THAT SITE, FLIP OVER, AND THEN WHEN THE HOTEL AND THE RESTAURANT ARE FINISHED, YEAH. THEN WE, WE CAN USE THE VACANT LOT FOR LAY DOWN AND CONSTRUCTION, THEN MOVE THOSE GUYS OFF, ROLL THE, ALL THAT TIME, THE UNITS ARE BEING BUILT DOWN IN PHOENIX, AND THEN ROLL THOSE IN. FASCINATING. AND THOSE UNITS ARE NOT EVEN ON. THERE'S NO CONCRETE MM-HMM. , THEY'RE PINNED TO THE GROUND ON GALVANIZED, WHICH CONCRETE, IF YOU KNOW, IS ONE OF THE MOST CARBON INTENSIVE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS. SO, SO THEY JUST CHECK EVERY BOX [02:15:01] FOR, FOR MINIMAL DISRUPTION, CONSTRUCTION, MINIMAL CARBON FOOTPRINT, BOTH IN CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS OPERATION. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT 'EM. I THINK IT WOULD BE FUN FOR THIS COMMISSION TO SEE THE FIRST ONE YOU LAY DOWN. THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. . AND IF ANY OF YOU EVER WANT TO HAVE, OR DOWN IN PHOENIX WANTED TO TOUR THE FACTORY OR MEET THESE GUYS AGAIN, BECAUSE I THINK THEY DO OFFER A LOT OF SOLUTIONS. WE APPROACH THEM TO SAY, HEY, WHY DON'T WE TAKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND CREATE A HOTEL ROOM TOGETHER. SO WE BROUGHT THAT IDEA, BUT THEY'RE A GREAT GROUP TO WORK WITH. YEAH. I THINK IT'S RARE THAT WE GET EXCITED ABOUT LODGING HERE FOR ALL THE UN REASONS, BUT NOT THIS, THIS, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A NEW DIRECTION, NEW STEP. UM, OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE. YOU ANSWERED THE RESTAURANT AND THE SPA. WERE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, I THINK. YES. YES. MM-HMM. . ARE YOU AT LIBERTY TO, AT THIS TIME, TO DISCUSS ANY POTENTIAL FUNCTIONAL WAY THAT THE PUBLIC COULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE CREEK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE EAST OF YOU ALONG THE CREEK? IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR ME TO SPEAK ABOUT PROPERTIES THAT I DO NOT OWN. OKAY. MAYBE AS THIS WORKS ITS WAY DOWN TO APPROVAL, WE MIGHT LEARN MORE. YEAH. OKAY. , THAT'S IT FOR ME. ANYBODY DOWN HERE? A COUPLE OF THINGS, CHARLOTTE. UM, TWO UNRELATED THINGS. WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE STORAGE CONTAINERS BEING, UM, ON THE GROUND WITHOUT A CONCRETE, WITHOUT CONCRETE PAD, UM, IS THAT THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN? WHAT, WHAT IS THAT PIECE OF LAND? THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF IT THAT'S IN THE, NOT IN THE FEMA A HUNDRED YEAR FULL PLANE, BUT IN THE SEDONA A HUNDRED YEAR FULL PLANE. SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY ON, ON BIG GALVANIZED BEAMS THAT ARE PINNED TO THE GROUND WITH GALVANIZED PIPE. THAT'S HOW THEY'RE SECURED TO THE EARTH. SO THEY WILL, SO THE THING IS, WATER CAN FLOW UNDER THEM. OKAY. . AND THE SECOND THING WAS, AS A FORMER SAC BOARD MEMBER ALSO, UM, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC ART, WHICH YOU WILL BE DOING SOMETHING OR CONTRIBUTING TO A FUND, UM, I CERTAINLY HOPE YOU SHOP LOCALLY. YES. . OH, UH, I WAS, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS EARLIER, LIKE THE HOTEL THAT'S OF MINOR INTEREST TO ME COMPARED TO THE PUBLIC ART. THAT'S WHAT I REALLY WANNA DO. SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT PIECE. AND I, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ART. WE'VE BEEN BUYING ART FOR FIVE YEARS AND STORING IT, UH, FROM THE ART CENTER AS, AS A WAY TO SUPPORT THE, THE ART CENTER. SO THERE IS NO QUESTION I WILL BE WALKING TO MY NEIGHBOR AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY OWNER, IT'S PUBLIC ART. WE DON'T GET TO SAY THAT MUCH ABOUT IT SOMETIMES. SO, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT COLLABORATIVELY BETWEEN THE CITY AND US, YES. WE'RE ACTIVATING THE ART, THE MEMBERS OF THE ART CENTER TO REALLY EXECUTE IT, SHOP REALLY LOCAL, REALLY LOCAL . THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, SARAH. GO AHEAD. I SAW THAT I MISSED ON MY LIST. UM, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON WHAT THE SUSTAINABLE TRAVEL WITH ENSEMBLE PROGRAM IS? YEAH. UM, I, I, I WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT BETTER IF I HAD MY, I DON'T HAVE MY OPS PEOPLE, WHICH HAVE THE WHOLE PROGRAM. MM-HMM. . BUT IT'S THE KIND OF STUFF YOU EXPECT, YOU KNOW, UH, REUSABLE WATER BOTTLES, EXCUSE ME. BUT BEYOND THAT, I DON'T, WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO ME IS A SEDONA MM-HMM. SUSTAINABLE TOURISM PLAN, YOU KNOW, AND HOW WE EDUCATE OUR GUESTS ABOUT THAT. I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING ANYTHING THAT ISN'T ALREADY IN THE SEDONA SUSTAINABLE TOURISM PLAN. OKAY. BUT IT, WE DO THIS IN ALL OUR HOTELS, SO IT ISN'T JUST FOR SEDONA. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? THERE'S NO MOTION, BUT DO YOU HAVE CARDS FOR ANYBODY YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ON? OH, THANK YOU. I, I DO THINK SOMETHING ELSE CAUGHT UP WITH FINISHING UP THIS AGENDA ITEM. EXCUSE ME. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM NOW. WE HAVE ONLY ONE CARD. IT'S FROM THE PERSON I WAS HOPING WE'D HEAR FROM , JULIE RICHARDS OF THE SEDONA ARTS CENTER. JULIE, IF YOU'LL COME TO THE MIC, INTRODUCE YOURSELF. UH, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. AND THE TIMER'S ON THE WALL. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JULIE RICHARD. I'M THE CEO OF SEDONA ART CENTER, AND I LIVE IN VILLE. I'VE KNOWN RANDY MCG GREENE EVER SINCE I INTERVIEWED FOR THIS POSITION THREE YEARS AGO. THE BOARD FELT STRONGLY THAT RANDY AND HIS HOTEL WERE POTENTIAL PARTNERS. SO I MET WITH RANDY THEN AND LEARNED ABOUT HIS VISION FOR HIS DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN FOR THE ART CENTER. THAT VISION HAS CHANGED A BIT OVER TIME. AND RANDY WAS DILIGENT AND DILIGENT IN RUNNING EVERY SINGLE PLAN AND IDEA BY ME. I REALLY LIKE THE AM AMPHITHEATER IDEA THE MOST. BUT THAT WAS LEFT ON THE CUTTING ROOM FLOOR. THAT SAID, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PLAN. THE ART [02:20:01] PLAZA WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR US TO USE FOR OUR CELEBRATE SEDONA AND OTHER FUNCTIONS. THE RESTAURANT WILL BE SO GREAT TO HAVE CLOSE BY WITH EASY ACCESS FOR MEETINGS AND PERHAPS EVEN EVENTS. AND RANDY HAS ALSO COMMITTED PARKING TO US IN THIS PLAN, WHICH IS CRITICAL FOR OUR EVENTS. AND, UM, AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, UH, RIGHT NOW THAT LOWER LOT ACCOMMODATES ABOUT 50 CARS, I THINK. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S HUNDREDS, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT MANY CARS. AND, UM, MANY PEOPLE PARK DOWN IN THAT LOT THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY ATTENDING OUR EVENTS OR COMING TO THE ART CENTER. ALSO, PEOPLE PARK IN OUR LOT BETWEEN OUR TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THE ART CENTER. SO, UM, WE'VE ALREADY DECIDED THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO LIMIT THE PARKING IN OUR LOT, SPECIFICALLY, WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING OUR STUDENTS AND OUR GUESTS, UM, WITH SOME KIND OF A PERMIT AND ENFORCING THAT. I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVEN'T REALLY THOUGHT THAT ALL OUT YET. BUT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME LIMITING OF OUR PARKING AS WELL. AND WE'RE ALSO HOPING THAT THE NEW AMANTE UPTOWN WILL ALSO BE WILLING TO ACCOMMODATE AND INCLUDE PARKING FOR US AS WELL. UM, SO RANDY AND AUTUMN, I HAVE TO SAY, HAVE BEEN HUGE. BOTH BEEN HUGE SUPPORTERS OF THE ART CENTER VOL. THEY VOLUNTEER FOR EVENTS. THEY SUPPORT US FINANCIALLY. UM, I CONSIDER BOTH OF THEM PERSONAL FRIENDS, AND I KNOW THEY'RE COMMITTED TO THE ARTS, THE ART CENTER, AND SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT. AND I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THEIR POTENTIAL OR THEIR PROPOSAL FOR EXPANSION AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE NEW HOTEL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JULIE. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM OF ONE, BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A VOTE, DO WE? YEAH. SO AS A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, THERE'S NO MOTION OR ANYTHING. IT'S JUST DISCUSSION ONLY. YEAH. MM-HMM. , DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION OR FEEDBACK? YEAH, I JUST WANNA, OR THANK YOU. YEAH, GREAT, GREAT FEEDBACK. CONSISTENT. JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, THE VISION JUST KEEPS MAYBE NARROWING TO SOME EXTENT BECAUSE THE REALITY IS THE MARKET, BUT CLARIFYING. AND SO I SAID I, I REALLY, I DO WANT TO COMPLIMENT STAFF. THEY'RE GREAT TO WORK WITH ALL OF THEM. UM, IT'S GREAT TO HEAR THAT. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, THIS PROCESS OF HAVING A CONCEPTUAL VIEW TO BRING THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE GO FURTHER AND SPEND MORE MONEY IS VERY, VERY HELPFUL. AND IT'S BEEN SOME GREAT SUGGESTION FROM ALL OF YOU TODAY, SO APPRECIATE IT. COULD I MAKE ONE SMALL SUGGESTION? WHEN YOU COME BACK, COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE MEETING SPACE AND, UH, HOW IN WHAT KINDS OF FUNCTIONS YOU MIGHT BE, UH, PRODUCING OR ATTRACTING, SUCH AS WEDDINGS OR OTHER THINGS? WE'RE ACTUALLY, WE'RE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF MEETING SPACE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GOING FROM A REAL MEETING ROOM TO A SMALL BOARDROOM. MM-HMM. . SO, AND YOUR MARKET WOULD BE BEST WESTERN PATRONAGE, BUT ARE YOU ALSO LOOKING AT WEDDING? UM, YEAH. WEDDING VENUES WE CAN USE, WE CAN USE THAT FOR THAT PLAZA. OR WE COULD USE THE RESTAURANT AS A WEDDING VENUE. SO, MM-HMM. , WE'RE GONNA USE WHAT WE HAVE AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HELP JULIE RAISE MONEY TO REDEVELOP THE ART CENTER SO WE HAVE MORE SPACE TO USE TOGETHER. SO THAT'S, I LIKE WHAT I HEAR. CAN I ADD ONE MORE THING TO LOOK INTO? YES. THE RED ROCK TRAIL FUND IS DEVELOPING A REMOTE TRAILHEAD PROGRAM FOR, FOR PROPERTIES THAT AREN'T ON TRAIL SYSTEMS TO INFORM TRAIL USERS ABOUT HOW TO ACCESS TRAILS PROPERLY AND SAFELY. IT'S A REALLY COOL PROGRAM. IT'S BRAND NEW. I LOVE IT. UM, RED ROCK TRAIL FUND. THAT IS COOL. DID YOU GET THAT OUT? IT IS SUPER COOL. THANK YOU. I'M SO BAD. ALRIGHTY. WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT. I HOPE YOU'VE GET, GOT THE KIND OF INFORMATION YOU NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN. SAME HERE. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GARY, IF YOU DON'T MIND, AFTER, UM, WELL I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS GOING TO BE, BUT IT'D BE NICE IF WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE, UM, PLACARDS, ARE YOU STAYING HERE FOR THE NIGHT? YEAH. WOULD YOU MIND, SO WE COULD LOOK AT 'EM MAYBE ON OUR WAY OUT? DO WE NEED A SHORT BREAK? COMMISSION AND STAFF? YES, PLEASE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE'LL COME BACK AT, UM, UH, 10 AFTER SUCCEED TO THE SEAT, AND THEN IT'LL BE A PERMANENT ASSIGNMENT. OKAY. LET'S GET BACK ON THE RECORD AT SEVEN 15 AND WE'LL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM [5.c. Public hearing to review, take public testimony, discuss, and possibly take action regarding proposed revisions to the Sedona Land Development Code. The proposed revisions include allowances for Accessory Dwelling Units (ADUs), updates to reflect State legislation regarding time frames for processing residential rezoning applications, and updates to definitions to more accurately define terms. ] NUMBER SEVEN CI THINK IT'S FIVE FIVE C PUBLIC HEARING TO REVIEW, TAKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, DISCUSS AND POSSIBLY TAKE ACTION. REGARDING PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THE SEDONA LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE PROPOSED REVISIONS INCLUDE ALLOWANCES FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, ADUS [02:25:01] UPDATES TO REFLECT STATE LEGISLATION REGARDING TIMEFRAMES FOR PROCESSING RESIDENTIAL REZONING APPLICATIONS, AND UPDATES TO DEFINITION TO MORE ACCURATELY DEFINED TERMS. THIS IS CASE NUMBER PZ 24 DASH 0 0 0 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND THE APPLICANT IS THE CITY OF SEDONA. CARRIE, SO I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THIS ONE BECAUSE THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT. UM, SO THESE ARE UPDATES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT BASICALLY THEY WILL UPDATE THE GUEST QUARTERS REFERENCES TO EIGHT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, UM, ALLOW FULL KITCHENS IN THE ADUS AND REQUIRE THAT IF THE A DU IS GOING TO BE RENTED OUT AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THE PROPERTY OWNER LIVES IN THE PRIMARY HOUSE. AND THESE ARE TO BRING US INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE LAWS REGARDING A DS THAT WILL GO INTO EFFECT OR NO, UH, NO CHAIR AND COMMISSION. THE, THE, THERE WASN'T A STATE A DU LAW BILL THAT WAS PASSED THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE CITY 'CAUSE WE'RE LESS THAN 75,000 PEOPLE. UM, BUT, UH, COUNCIL HAD US, UH, AT THE JUNE MEETING DIRECTED STAFF TO BRING FORWARD AN A DU ORDINANCE, UM, A LOCAL ONE. ANYWAY, SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ATTEMPTING TO FULFILL THAT. SO THEN I THOUGHT, I READ THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET THIS ADOPTED BEFORE THE STATE LEGISLATION WAS IN EFFECT. THE RESIDENTIAL REZONING APP, UM, REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT IS A STATE LAW CORRECT. THAT WE HAVE TO, SO THAT PORTION OF THE PROPOSED REVISIONS AT LEAST NEEDS TO BE ADOPTED BEFORE THE STATE LEGISLATION RIGHT. BECOMES EFFECTIVE. RIGHT. AND YEAH. AND THEN WE HAVE THE OTHER DEFINITIONS THAT WE CAN ANSWER IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE, THE CHANGES TO DEFINITIONS. ANYWAY, SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR PRESENTATION? THAT'S MY PRESENTATION. YOU KICKED TERRY. THAT WAS FABULOUS. THAT WAS JUST LONG ENOUGH AND SHORT ENOUGH. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR STAFF? I HAVE A QUESTION. MM-HMM. , GO AHEAD. WILL, REGARDING, UM, THE OWNER NEEDING TO LIVE IN THE FRONT UNIT OR IN HOUSE HOUSE, HOUSE IN THE UNIT, UM, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT DESCRIBES WHAT LIVING IS? IN OTHER WORDS, DO THEY HAVE TO BE FULL-TIME RESIDENCE RESIDENTS? HMM. CHAIR COMMISSIONS? THERE IS NOT. THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION. I'VE ACTUALLY WAS KIND OF PONDERING ON THAT. WE COULD PROBABLY, UM, COME UP WITH A, A DEFINITION OF WHAT, OF WHAT LIVING OR RESIDING IN THE PRIMARY RESIDE RESIDENT LOOKS LIKE. I THINK THAT WOULD, AND AND EVEN INCLUDE A TIMEFRAME THAT'D HAVE TO RESIDE IN MORE THAN 180 DAYS OR 70. OR WE CAN COME UP WITH DIFFERENT, WHEN WE HAD THE A DU ORDINANCE BEFORE IT WAS I THINK 180 OR SIX MONTHS PLUS ONE DAY. YEAH. MM-HMM. GOING ALONG WITH THAT, DOES THIS ALLOW FOR THE REVERSE FOR THE HOMEOWNER TO LIVE IN THE SMALLER UNIT AND RENT THE BIGGER UNIT? YES. YES. SO THE, THE LARGER HOMES ARE ALREADY ALLOWED TO BE USED AS SHORT TERM RENTALS. AH, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE. , NEVERMIND . SO THIS WOULD PREVENT SOMEONE FROM HAVING TWO. OH, THAT MAKES SENSE. I FEEL VERY SILLY THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD IS, YOU KNOW, PER CODE, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE TWO STR ON YOUR PROPERTY. RIGHT? WELL, PER CODE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE TWO HABITABLE STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY. THE STATE HAS THE RULES ABOUT STR AND SO ANYONE WHO HAS A GUEST HOUSE THAT WAS REVIEWED UNDER THE CURRENT RULES WOULD NOT FALL UNDER THIS REVISED ONE. MM-HMM. . AND SO ANYONE WHO THEN COMES BACK AND EITHER BUILDS SOMETHING UNDER THE CURRENT CODE OR CONVERTS THEIR GUEST HOUSE INTO AN A DU BY ADDING A FULL KITCHEN, WOULD THEN FALL UNDER THESE RULES. BUT I THOUGHT FOR THERESA, I THOUGHT YOU COULD HAVE TWO STR PER ZONED RESIDENTIAL LOT. SO AGAIN, THE ALLOWANCES FOR STR ARE MORE OF THE STATE LEVEL. THE CITY CODE ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE ST TWO HABITABLE STRUCTURES. AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A PROHIBITION ON WHETHER ONE TO NOT, LIKE, WHETHER THEY CAN BE USED AS STR OR NOT. MM-HMM. . YEAH. COMMISSIONER, IT'S NOT, YEAH. COMMISSIONER WHEEL. THE, THE DEFINITION OF A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS ONE TO FOUR FAMILY HOUSE OR DWELLING UNIT. SO WE'VE ALWAYS TREATED IT AS UP TO A QUADPLEX. THERE COULD ACTUALLY BE FOUR ON A LOT IF THERE WAS A QUADPLEX OUT THERE AND THEY COULD ALL BE SHORT-TERM RENTALS CURRENTLY. GEEZ. HMM. AND SO IT'S WHEN THEY GET TO APARTMENT BUILDINGS WITH, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN FOUR UNITS THAT WE'VE SAID THEY CANNOT BE A SHORT TERM RENTAL. 'CAUSE IT'S MORE THAN ONE [02:30:01] TO FOUR FAMILY HOUSE OR DWELLING UNIT. OKAY. I THINK. AND SO THERESA IS, IF YOU'VE HEARD THAT IT'S IN GENERAL WE ONLY ALLOW IN A SINGLE, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONE TO HABITAL SPACES. BUT IN A MULTI-FAMILY, THERE COULD BE A, A QUADPLEX. THERE COULD BE A QUADPLEX, RIGHT. YEAH. I GUESS I'M JUST THINKING IF YOU CAN HAVE TWO, BUT IF YOU HAVE THE A DU, LET'S SAY THAT'S AN STR AND THE MAIN HOUSE HAS TO BE OCCUPIED BY THE PRIMARY, I'M NOT SURE HOW THE TWO HAPPENS. MM-HMM. . SO THE, THE WAY IT WILL HAPPEN CURRENTLY IS YOU HAVE A HOME AND A GUEST HOUSE WITH ONLY A KITCHENETTE. THE A DS ARE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS AND ALLOW FOR A FULL KITCHEN. UM, AND SO IF YOU GO UNDER THE NEW A DU UH, RULES, THEN YOU WILL BE SUBJECT TO THAT REQUIREMENT. IF YOU WANNA RENT OUT THE A DU AS AN STR, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LIVE IN THE, IN ONE OF THE TWO. OKAY. GOT IT. BUT NOT, BUT NOT A LONG-TERM RENTAL. SO IF I WERE TO, WHICH I'LL NEVER DO 'CAUSE MY SUBDIVISION WILL NEVER LET ME, BUT IF I WERE TO DO, UH, A DU THAT HAD A FULL KITCHEN BATH, ALL THAT I CAN DO LONG-TERM RENTAL, NOT AN ISSUE. YEP. AND LONG-TERM RENTAL IS JUST DEFINED AS SOMETHING OVER SIX MONTHS, IS THAT RIGHT? JUST OVER 30 DAYS RENTAL TERMS HAVE GREATER THAN 30 DAYS. 30 DAYS. OKAY. I'M NOT SURE THIS PERTAINS TO WHAT, WHAT THIS, WHAT THE LANGUAGE CHANGE IS, BUT YOU KNOW THE ONE THAT'S NEAR ME, MM-HMM. THAT INFAMOUS, RIGHT? YES. IT IS INFAMOUS , UM, THAT HAS TWO UNITS. I CALL 'EM TWO UNITS, TWO LICENSES. MM-HMM. . BUT YOU SAID YOU THAT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, YOU YOU COULDN'T DO THAT NOW. YEAH. SO WHAT HAS CHANGED? SO SINCE IF IT'S THE ONE THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, UM, WE NO LONGER ALLOW IF THE CONNECTION BETWEEN TWO UNITS IS THROUGH A CLOSET OR A BATHROOM OR A LAUNDRY, A GARAGE, THAT SORT OF THING. THOSE COUNT AS YOUR HOUSE AND YOUR GUEST HOUSE, YOUR TWO HABITABLE UNITS. AND SO YOU WOULD NOT THEN BE ABLE TO BUILD ANOTHER BUILDING SOMEWHERE ELSE ON THE PROPERTY THAT IS HABITABLE AND THAT IS STILL IN PLACE. BUT DON'T GET IT CONFUSED WITH THE STATE LAW OF 75,000 OR MORE BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN HAVE AN ATTACHED A DU AND THEN HAVE TWO, UH, ATTACHED DWELLING TO YOUR HOUSE AND HAVE TWO ADUS. BUT THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO US BECAUSE WE'RE NOT 75,000 OR MORE. RIGHT. CORRECT. AND, AND ALSO JUST TO NOTE, THAT'S MEANT TO CONSOLE YOU . YES. YEAH. ALSO NOTE CHAIR AND COMMISSION, UH, ANOTHER EXCEPTION TO THAT STATE BILL MANDATING ADUS WAS IF YOU WERE THE, UH, DISCLOSURE AREA OF, OF AN AIRPORT, WHICH I THINK ABOUT 75% OF THE SEDONA IS WITHIN , UM, THE SEDONA VICINITY AIRPORT. SO MOST OF THE CITY WOULDN'T APPLY ANYWAYS. UM, EVEN IF IT WASN'T FOR THE 75,000 PERSON CAT, MOST OF THE CITY WOULDN'T BE SUBJECT TO THAT BILL BECAUSE OF THE AIRPORT VICINITY MAP . OKAY. SO I DIDN'T WATCH THAT COUNCIL MEETING. WHAT, WHAT'S THEIR DESIRE? WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BY YEAH. DOING WHAT WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO? GOOD QUESTION. WELL, SO WE HAD BROUGHT FORWARD A PROPOSAL LAST YEAR THAT LAST YEAR. WAS IT LAST YEAR? YEAH. UM, THAT WOULD'VE ALLOWED FULL KITCHENS IN GUEST HOUSES. UM, AND WHEN, AND THIS COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THAT WHEN IT GOT TO COUNCIL. WHAT THEIR CONCERN IS THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE IF WE COULD, UM, THERE WERE SOME THINGS LIKE THIS AT THE STATE LEVEL WHERE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE UP THE KITCHEN UNTIL THEY UNDERSTOOD IF WE COULD RESTRICT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL OF THAT UNIT. MM-HMM. . AND SO THEY PULLED THAT OFF OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES LAST YEAR. UM, NOW THAT WE FOUND A WAY THAT WE THINK WE CAN DO THAT, IT'S BACK ON THE TABLE. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED KIND OF ON AND OFF. AND CITY COUNCIL BASICALLY SAID AT THAT MEETING THAT IF THERE WAS A WAY THAT WE COULD SAY FULL KITCHENS BUT RESTRICT SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN. MM-HMM. . AND THE FULL KITCHEN WAS WITH THE IDEA THAT PERHAPS THEY'LL BECOME LONG-TERM RENTALS. MM-HMM. TO ADDRESS THE WORKER HOUSING ISSUE. MM-HMM. AS OPPOSED TO BEING SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND SO GOING FORWARD IN THE CODE MM-HMM. , IS THERE STILL GOING TO BE A GUEST QUARTER? LIKE HAVING A PARTIAL KITCHEN, OLD CO IS THAT STUFF STILL THERE OR ARE WE JUST ADUS NOW? WE'RE JUST ADUS. GOT IT. BUT, BUT JEN COMMISSIONERS, THE, UH, THE REQUIREMENT ISN'T THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FULL KITCHEN AT A MINIMUM. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE KITCHEN NET. UM, SO NOW IT'LL BE A CHOICE FOR INDIVIDUAL [02:35:01] HOMEOWNERS, WHAT THEY DESIRE TO BILL. OKAY. QUESTIONS UP HERE. I WANTED TO ASK IF CON UH, CONTAINERS OF CAN BE ADUS STEVE IF THEY MEET BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS. SO IF THEY GET OVER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, WE MIGHT MAKE YOU HAVE MASSING. SAY THAT AGAIN. IF WHAT IF THEY'RE OVER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, THERE HAS TO BE SOME LIKE ARCHITECTURAL ARTICULATION TO THEM, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL BUILDING. WELL, THAT'D BE PRETTY HARD ON A FIXED FRAME. I MEAN, MOST OF THEM ARE YEAH. YOU OFFSET THEM LIKE LEGOS, MOST OF THEM WOULD BE UNDER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, BUT THEN THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO MEET, UM, SHOW THAT THEY MEET BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS AND OKAY. YEAH. I HAVE SOME VACANT LAND I CAN PUT BEHIND MY HOUSE. IT'S CALLED COMMUNITY COMMON AREA. I'M SURE THE HOA WOULD GO FOR IT. CLUBHOUSE TWO. RIGHT. UM, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE COMMENT UP HERE, WE DO, UM, I HAVE A CARD. I WANNA OPEN THE PUBLIC CARING PORTION OF THIS MEETING AND A CALL ON. ARE YOU CAMERON? WILD? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR WAITING SO LONG. COME ON UP TO THE, UH, MICROPHONE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR, TELL US YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE THROUGH ALL OF THE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS. WELL, THEY'RE ALL VERY INTERESTING. SO . ALL RIGHT. UH, MY NAME'S CAMERON WILD. I LIVE IN SEDONA. I'M A REALTOR AND I'M ALSO, I ALSO RUN A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY. UH, WE MANAGE 33 SHORT TERM RENTALS IN SEDONA. UM, SO I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS ON THE, ON THE ADUS AS IT PERTAINS TO THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. UM, SO, SO FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE GOAL IS IN PREVENTING A PROPERTY OWNER FROM BUILDING AN A DO ON THEIR PROPERTY THAT COULD BE USED IN THE SAME WAY AS THEIR HOUSE AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL. UH, WE ACTUALLY MANAGE SEVEN PROPERTIES THAT ARE SET UP IN THIS WAY. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THOSE PROPERTIES. THEY'RE IN OUR EXPERIENCE, NO MORE PRONE TO PARTIES OR ANY SORT OF, UH, NEIGHBOR COMPLAINTS. UM, AND THEN I ALSO, TO ME THIS IS A BIT CONCERNING BECAUSE IT'S TELLING EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS WHAT THEY CAN OR CAN'T DO AT THEIR PROPERTY WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING AN A DU. AND SOMEBODY THAT PURCHASED A PROPERTY WITH SPACE TO BUILD AN A DU MAY HAVE HAD THAT INTENTION WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. AND THEN SUDDENLY THIS RULE IS COMING DOWN THAT CAN VERY MUCH CHANGE THE, THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY TO THEM AND PERHAPS ALSO THE VALUE IF THEY WERE TO RESELL IT. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, UM, BEFORE PUTTING SOMETHING LIKE INTO THIS PLACE, SOMETHING LIKE THIS INTO PLACE, UM, LOOKING AT CURRENT OWNERS OF PROPERTY AND HOW THIS AFFECTS THEM AND IN WAYS THAT THEY COULDN'T HAVE FORESEEN, UM, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A HAZARDOUS PRECEDENT TO, TO SET FOR OUR, UM, FOR OUR RESIDENTS HERE. UM, AND THEN, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT MAYBE THERE COULD BE SOME DISTINCTION BETWEEN AN A DU THAT HAS A KITCHEN AND ONE THAT JUST HAS A KITCHENETTE, LIKE A, ALL OF THE ADUS THAT WE MANAGE, THEY'RE JUST KITCHENETTES, YOU KNOW, IN COMPLIANCE WITH SEDONA CODE. SO MAYBE PROPERTIES LIKE THAT WHERE IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE 200 SQUARE FOOT A DU THAT WOULD NEVER BE, UM, A LONG-TERM RENTAL. MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD BE USED AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UM, GUEST HOUSE QUARTERS ON THAT PROPERTY. UM, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY EXCEPT THAT MAYBE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, WITH CARRIE OR SOMEONE, SOMEONE COULD HELP YOU LEGAL, BECAUSE I WAS LISTENING TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING AND THINKING, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S REALLY, UH, A PROBLEM OR, SO MAYBE YOU COULD GET SOME CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF. UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T COMMENT ON IT. AND, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY. TRUE. WE ALL TOO TIRED. ARE WE DISCUSSING? YEAH. I'M PSYCHED THAT FULL KITCHENS ARE BACK. . UM, I WAS SAD TO WATCH IT DIE LAST YEAR WHENEVER THAT TIME. WELL ACTUALLY WE, WE PUSHED THAT THROUGH TO COUNCIL. YEAH. BUT COUNCIL DROPPED IT SO IT DIDN'T LIKE, IT JUST, IT, THEY WAITED FOR THIS. NOW IT'S, NOW WE'RE COMING. SO I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. I THINK IT HAS GREAT IMPLICATIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND LONG-TERM HOUSING, UM, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN BUILD MM-HMM. , HOPEFULLY LONG-TERM UNITS THAT NOT ONLY DO PEOPLE WANNA LIVE IN, BUT THEY CAN MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO BE WORTH THEIR WHILE. SO. YEAH. [02:40:01] UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME, I WAS, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THE WORD CHANGES AND SOME OF IT I THINK IS, YOU KNOW, JUST CLEANING UP. BUT, UM, BY THE INTENTION OF WHAT I THINK WE'RE GATHERING, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS CHANGE AND I'M GLAD THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS PUSHED, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDED, NOT NOT REQUIRED FOR SOME OF THESE CHANGES. I REMEMBER. CAN I? YES. I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION WHEN WE HAD IT HERE AND I HAD CONCERNS, UM, ABOUT FULL KITCHENS. MM-HMM. . UM, AND MY RECOLLECTION WHEN IT GOT TO COUNCIL WAS THEY WANTED TO SEE, UM, THE FULL RANGE OF THINGS THAT MIGHT COME OUTTA HOUSING REGARDING, YOU KNOW, WORKER HOUSING SO THAT THEY WEREN'T JUST DOING SCATTERSHOT APPROVALS OR DISAPPROVALS. AND I STILL WISH WE COULD DO THAT BECAUSE, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE REASON TO DO THIS NOW IS THIS SORT OF A PROACTIVE THING. BUT, UM, I'D STILL WOULD LOVE TO SEE EVERYTHING TOGETHER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANT IT NOW WE DO WANT IT. THE PENDULUM COULD SWING BACK AGAIN, RIGHT? YEAH. IT'S JUST, YEAH. IT'S A LITTLE, UH, REACTIVE, I THINK. MM-HMM. . BUT HERE WE ARE. HERE WE ARE. WELL, I WOULD BE CONCERNED ALMOST TO THE OPPOSITE BECAUSE, UM, I THINK THE LONGER THAT WE WAIT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THE MORE FOLKS THERE MAY BE THAT, UM, HAVE OTHER IDEAS AND THEN THEY FEEL THAT THEY'VE BEEN STEPPED ON. SO THE SOONER THAT WE GET THIS DONE, THE LESS CHANCE OF THAT HAPPENING. COOL. WHERE'S THE MOTION? CAN I MAKE A MOTION CHAIR? UM, ARE WE THERE? DO YOU HAVE IT UP? I DO. OKAY. I THINK I'M ON THE CORRECT PAGE. IS, DOES IT TALK ABOUT ADUS? IT JUST HAS NUMBERS AND LETTERS. DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? SAY LDC REVISIONS. . UM, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER PZ 24 DASH ZERO ZERO LDC REVISIONS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVAL CRITERIA IN SECTION 8.64 OF THE LDC AND A SECOND PLEASE. CAN I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE WE HAVE A SECOND? NO, BUT YOU CAN RIGHT AFTER. OKAY. I'LL SECOND IT. THANK YOU JOE. WELL, I JUST WAS HOPING, 'CAUSE YOU SUGGESTED THAT WE, UH, CAN DEFINE IN THERE WHAT A, A, UM, THE, THE RESIDENT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO LIVE THERE. RIGHT. SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S PART OF OUR MOTION. DO YOU HAVE SOME LANGUAGE OR DOES STAFF HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THAT CHAIR AND COMMISSION? I HAVE SOME LANGUAGE THAT I'VE LOOKED AT BEFORE IN OTHER, UM, LEC REVISIONS THAT I THINK WILL WORK WELL HERE. UM, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S INCLUDED, BUT IT CAN BE PART OF THE MOTION AS WELL. OKAY. I AMEND, SO WE'LL ONLY REFERENCE IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT LANGUAGE TONIGHT. CORRECT? I DON'T HAVE THE, I'D LIKE TO REVIEW IT AGAIN IN, IN THIS SCENARIO TO BEFORE I, BUT YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE VIABLE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THIS. YEAH, IT'S, IT'S UP TO COUNSEL AND THEY'LL STILL BE ABLE TO, UH, REVIEW IT AND MAKE A DECISION ON IT. SO I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE THAT DEFINES A FULL TERM RESIDENT A SECOND. THAT WAS, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO THE SECOND? MM-HMM. . EXCELLENT JUDGE. ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A A AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. SIX ZERO. I WOULD JUST ALSO NOTE THAT THIS IS SCHEDULED FOR CITY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 12TH. OKAY. UM, SO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, WRITTEN COMMENTS OR ANYTHING THAT NEED TO COME IN FROM THE PUBLIC, WE'D NEED THEM. WE NEED THIS WEEK. RIGHT. UM, PRIOR TO THAT MEETING ON THE 20TH. THANK YOU CARRIE. MM-HMM. , [6. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS ] UH, FUTURE MEETING DATES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX AND AGENDA ITEMS. UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE 15TH. LOOK AT THAT. LUCKY YOU . 'CAUSE WE DID IT ALL TONIGHT. YES, YOU DID. I THAT WAS A STACKED AGENDA FOR YOU. SO, BUT YEAH. SO WE WILL BE OFF ON THE 15TH. OKAY. UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WILL BE WORKING WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO COME BACK WITH SEE, AND SO THAT, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT SOMETIME IN NOVEMBER AND YOU THINK IT'LL BE BACK ON THE FIFTH? UM, I DON'T KNOW. AND WE'LL HAVE TO KIND OF REGROUP WITH THEM, UM, AND SEE WHAT THEY THINK THEIR TIME IS. BUT I DO THINK, UM, WE WILL HAVE AT LEAST WE HAVE [02:45:01] A TIME EXTENSION REQUEST FOR THE SUNSET LOFTS PROJECT. HMM. UM, WHICH WE CAN GO INTO WHY AT THAT MEETING, BUT I WOULD SAY AT LEAST THAT, IS THIS THE CITY PROJECT? MM-HMM. . IT'S NOW THE CITY PROJECT. YES. SO WE NEED TO OKAY. EXTEND THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPROVAL ON THAT. OKAY. UM, AND WOULD ALSO HOPEFULLY HAVE THE VILLAS ON SHELBY. WHAT'S THAT? THE HOUSING PROJECT ON SHELBY. OH. UM, THAT'S, WOW, THAT'S THAT WILL, IT DIDN'T GO AWAY. NO. THE, SO THAT'S WOULD BE A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR THAT AS WELL. OKAY. HOPEFUL WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ALREADY DONE. YES. YEAH. SO, UM, YEAH, WE ARE ANTICIPATING NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER TO HAVE MEETINGS, THINGS ON THE MEETING. AND IF YOU WANNA GO AGAIN, YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO GO ON OUR WEBSITE AND START LOOKING THROUGH THE PROJECT PLANS, SOME OF THOSE SEDONA AZ.GOV/PROJECTS. , YOU WANNA GET A HEAD START? WE DO PERIODICALLY. SO YOU ARE THINK BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE DO THAT. GO AHEAD. THINK I WANTED JUST TO CHECK THE CALENDAR. I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT NOVEMBER LOOKED LIKE. SO NOVEMBER 5TH IS ELECTION DAY, RIGHT? YEAH, IT, IT'S, RIGHT. SO, UM, IF YOU ARE PLANNING ON VOTING AFTER 4:30 PM , UM, CHANGE PLANS. OKAY. POTENTIALLY MAKE PLANS TO VOTE EARLIER. ALL RIGHTY. WHAT DOES THE SECURITY, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSION ABSENCES OF THE LATTER PART OF NOVEMBER? I THE 19TH? UM, MM-HMM. , I'M GONNA BE TRAVELING AND I JUST DON'T KNOW IF I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO GET ONLINE, SO I DIDN'T WANT TO COMMIT TO DO THAT. OKAY. I CERTAINLY WOULD TRY, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE OUTTA TOWN? WHEN DOES, WHEN ARE THE SEATS DONE FOR THE RE RESEEDING OR, YOU KNOW, REAPPOINTMENTS THE END OF OCTOBER. END OF OCTOBER. OCTOBER. MM-HMM. . SO YOU WILL NEVER SEE GEORGE AGAIN? OH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA CHECK FOR YOU. OH, WELL WHAT DID, WHAT DID SHE SAY? YOU'LL NEVER SEE GEORGE AGAIN. I KNOW I TRIED TO GET HIM TO ZOOM FROM O'HARE AIRPORT, BUT HE WASN'T UP FOR IT. HIS PLANE GOT DELAYED. SOMETHING LIKE SIX HOURS AFTER A FIVE HOUR MEETING HE WAS PLANNING TO BE HERE. OKAY. SO, UM, LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY HOL LIKE VACATION PLANS PLANNED FOR THE HOLIDAY SEASON. AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE OFF AGENDA RIGHT NOW. I DO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH. UM, I AM WONDERING, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALL GONNA ROLL YOUR EYES AT ME, BUT I DON'T CARE. UM, WHAT DOES THE SECURITY LOOK LIKE HERE ON ELECTION DAY? ARE THERE A, THIS IS NOT A POLLING PLACE, AM I CORRECT? IT'S JUST A DROP OFF PLACE OR IS THIS A POLLING PLACE? JUST DROP OFF. DROP OFF. I BELIEVE IT'S JUST DROP OFF. OKAY, THEN NEVERMIND. OKAY. WITHOUT OBJECTION. I'LL ADJOURN AT, UH, SEVEN. I CAN'T DO THIS. 7 40, 40 ISH. THANK YOU. COMMISSION. THANK YOU STAFF. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.