* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] OKAY, [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE] LET'S CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE ALL. AND JOINING ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE, IF YOU WILL. OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK, [2. ROLL CALL/MOMENT OF ART] WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR JALO. PRESENT VICE MAYOR PLU. HERE. COUNCILOR DUNN. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FOLTZ? HERE. COUNCILOR FURMAN. HERE. COUNCILOR KINSELLA. PRESENT. COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON. HERE. OKAY. AND AS OUR FIRST MEETING NORMALLY HAS, UH, EACH MONTH WE HAVE A MOMENT OF ART. NANCY, YOU WANNA COME IN AND MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION? YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. HAPPY OCTOBER, WHICH IS ALSO NATIONAL ARTS MONTH. UH, BEFORE I INTRODUCE A MOMENT OF ART, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THE MAYOR'S ARTS AWARDS IS COMING UP THIS SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 2ND FROM SIX TO EIGHT AT MARY FISHER THEATER. TICKETS ARE FREE, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. THEY'LL BE AVAILABLE AT THE BOX OFFICE, UM, BEGINNING OCTOBER 21ST, ON MONDAY DURING REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS. UH, THE RECIPIENTS, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, FOR, WE HAVE FOUR RECIPIENTS WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT TO OUR COMMUNITY IN THE ARTS. AND THE FIRST IS INDIVIDUAL WILL GO TO WINNIE MINCH BUSINESS ORGANIZATION WILL GO TO THE SEDONA VISUAL ARTIST COALITION EDUCATION, WILL GO TO CHAMBER MUSIC, SEDONA FOR THEIR YOUTH ORCHESTRA, AND LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT WILL GO TO SUSAN. CLEARER, VERY WELL DESERVED. SO TODAY'S MOMENT OF ART. THANK YOU. LINDSAY CROSS. SHE CARRIED ALL THIS EQUIPMENT IN FOR THIS QUICK MOMENT. UM, VERY IMPRESSIVE. UM, LINDSAY IS A LOCAL SINGER SONGWRITER, WHO HAS RESIDED IN THE VERDE VALLEY FOR OVER 10 YEARS AND HAS BEEN PERFORMING AS A ONE WOMAN BAND FOR ABOUT FIVE. ORIGINALLY SHE'S FROM MAINE, BUT SHE MOVED TO ARIZONA IN 2004, WHERE SHE EVENTUALLY WENT TO COLLEGE AT SCOTTSDALE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, MAJORING IN MUSIC AND STUDYING CLASSICAL VOCAL PERFORMANCE. UNDER THE MENTORSHIP OF CAROL JENNINGS OF THE PHOENIX BACH CORAL, SHE LATER TRANSFERRED TO NAU WHERE SHE MAJORED IN BUSINESS. CROSS HAS DONE NUMEROUS PERFORMANCES OF OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM, MOST NOTABLY SINGING FOR THE PHOENIX SUNS GAMES. AT THE FOOTPRINT CENTER. YOU CAN FIND HER SINGING AND ACCOMPANYING HERSELF ON PIANO THREE TO FOUR NIGHTS A WEEK AT LOCAL VENUES SUCH AS HILTON, SEDONA AT BELL ROCK, THE CHOP HOUSE, ARABELLA HOTEL STEAKHOUSE 89 DECANTER TASTING ROOM, THE WILD RESORT AND SPA, AND OTHER LOCAL PRIVATE CONCERTS AND EVENTS. LINDSAY SINGS BOTH HER OWN UNIQUE RENDITIONS OF COVERS AS WELL AS ORIGINALS. BUT SHE WILL TELL YOU THE GREATEST SONG SHE HAS EVER CREATED WAS HER DAUGHTER, ARIA, BORN IN 2023. SHE JUST HAD A BIRTHDAY OCTOBER 4TH, AND SHE'S WON. UM, TO FOLLOW HER EVENT PAGES OR SOCIAL MEDIA AND MUSIC RELEASES, YOU CAN FIND HER@LINDSAYCROSSMUSIC.COM. SO SHE'S CURRENTLY WORKING ON HER FIRST ALBUM, SONGS FROM A DAUGHTER'S ROOM, WHICH IS ANTICIPATED TO BE RELEASED IN LATE 2025. TODAY, LINDSAY WILL BE PERFORMING TWO SONGS FOR US. SHE HAS A VERY EXTENSIVE SONG LIST. INITIALLY IT WAS REALLY HARD TO CHOOSE, BUT I HAD TO GO WITH BLACK VELVET. MY BROTHER-IN-LAW, WROTE AND PRODUCED, UH, BY ALANA MILES WITH, UH, CHRISTOPHER WARD 35 YEARS AGO. AND THE SONG'S STILL DOING WELL, UM, AND GOING STRONG. IF ANYONE DOESN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE SONG, IT'S ABOUT ELVIS PRESLEY. AND BLACK VELVET IS THE COLOR OF HIS HAIR DYE. LITTLE FUN FACT. UM, AND THE SECOND SONG SHE'LL DO IS VALERIE BY AMY WINEHOUSE. PLEASE WELCOME LINDSAY CROSS [00:06:12] HERE TO SO MANY. WOW, [00:11:25] THAT WAS FANTASTIC. WOW. NOT OFTEN. WE GET SUCH BEAUTIFUL MUSIC HERE, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE IT. OKAY, SO WE [3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE] ITEM THREE, UH, CONSENT ITEMS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE THE CITY, UH, STAFF, COUNCIL, OR THE PUBLIC CAN HAVE AN ITEM PULLED. WE HAVE, UH, ITEMS A TO D HAS ANY INTEREST IN PULLING ANY FROM THE COUNCIL. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I MOVE. WE APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE A THROUGH D SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NONE. OKAY. APPOINT APPOINTMENTS. WE HAVE NONE. SUMMARY [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS] OF CURRENT EVENTS FOR MYSELF, THE COUNCIL OR THE MANAGER. UH, CITY MANAGER, ANYTHING. COUNCIL WILLIAMSON? I DO, UH, THIS. OKAY. FOR THOSE OF YOU, AND I KNOW IT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL OF US. WHOOPS. YIKES. , WHO THINK WE HAVE THE MOST WONDERFUL LIBRARY IN THE UNIVERSE? I JUST WANNA TELL PEOPLE ABOUT A REALLY SPECIAL EVENT THAT THEY'RE HAVING, WHICH IS ONE OF THEIR MAJOR FUNDRAISERS. SO THEY'VE ASKED ME TO ANNOUNCE IT. UM, IT'S CALLED AN EVENING WITH KEVIN FEDARKO. HE'S A NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLING AUTHOR OF THE EMERALD MILE AND A WALK IN THE PARK. THE TRUE STORY OF A SPECTACULAR MISADVENTURE IN THE GRAND CANYON. THE LIBRARY IS REALLY PROUD TO PUT THIS ON AND IS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT OFFERING THIS TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, VIP TICKETS ARE A HUNDRED DOLLARS, WHICH INCLUDES A MEET AND GREET WITH THE AUTHOR PREFERRED SEATING, AND A TICKET INTO THE CANYON. A MOVIE ABOUT A TRIP DETAILED IN A WALK IN THE PARK. SINGLE TICKETS ARE $45 OR $75 FOR TWO. THEY ARE AVAILABLE ON THE LIBRARY WEBSITE OR ON EVENTBRITE. UM, LET ME GET THE DATES HERE. ANYWAY, THE LIBRARY RELIES ON THE COMMUNITY FOR, FOR SUPPORT, AND THIS IS ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST, BIGGEST FUNDRAISERS. SO ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN A REALLY GREAT EVENING, IT'S, UM, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 19TH AT SIX 30, AND IT'S AT THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER FOR ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN GOING. IT'S, UH, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A REALLY EXCITING EVENING AND GONNA BE, I THINK, A LOT OF FUN. SO I URGE PEOPLE TO SUPPORT YOUR LIBRARY AND BUY A TICKET AND ATTEND. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCILOR ELLA, THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER CELEBRATED 40 YEARS OF MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAM, AND IT WAS A WONDERFUL GATHERING, UH, AT THE CENTER. BUT I JUST WANTED TO REMIND ANYBODY WHO MIGHT BE IN, IN THE AUDIENCE OR VIEWING THIS, PLEASE CONSIDER SIGNING UP AS A MEALS ON WHEELS VOLUNTEER DRIVER. UM, THEY'RE REALLY DEPENDENT ON VOLUNTEERS TO DISTRIBUTE THE MEALS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF SEDONA AND BEYOND. UM, AND IT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN PEOPLE'S LIVES, AND YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE RIGHT HERE IN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY. SO, PLEASE, PLEASE CONSIDER CALLING, CONTACTING [00:15:01] THE CENTER AND, UM, CONSIDERING BECOMING A MEALS ON WHEELS DRIVER. THANK YOU. OKAY. ON THIS SIDE, RYAN, MELISSA, HOLLY, NOTHING. OKAY. I JUST HAVE TWO SMALL ANNOUNCEMENTS TO MAKE. UH, UP UNTIL RECENTLY, COVID TESTS WERE AVAILABLE AT THE POLICE STATION IN THE LOBBY. THEY ARE NO LONGER BEING ABLE TO BE SUPPLIED AS MUCH AS POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD APPRECIATE GIVING THEM OUT. THEY'RE NOT TO BE HAD AT LEAST ON, ON A VOLUNTARY, UH, FREE BASIS. ALSO, UH, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A, ANOTHER COMMISSIONER FOR PLANNING A ZONING COMMISSION. UH, APPLICATIONS ARE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY WEBSITE. WE'RE LOOKING FOR ONE COMMISSIONER. OKAY. AND IF NOTHING ELSE FROM COUNCIL, SO WE'LL MOVE ON. [6. PUBLIC FORUM] PUBLIC FORUM. UH, MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS? NO, MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM, UH, PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS. THAT'S ITEM SEVEN. THERE ARE NONE. NOW WE COME TO OUR, OUR GUEST SPEAKERS. OKAY. REGULAR [8.a. AB 3092 Presentation/discussion with Northern Arizona Healthcare (NAH) Chief Operating Officer Bo Cofield and VP, Construction and Real Estate Development Steve Eiss.] BUSINESS ITEM EIGHT, UH, AB 30 92 PRESENTATION DISCUSSION WITH NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE, UH, UH, CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER BO COFIELD, AND VP CONSTRUCTION AND REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, STEVE ICE. WELCOME, GENTLEMEN. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE YOU BOTH HERE TODAY, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MAYOR. UM, UH, GOOD EVENING AND GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, AS INTRODUCED, I'M BO COFIELD. I'M THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER AT NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE, UH, WITH RESPONSIBILITIES FOR OUR CLINICAL SITES AND OPERATIONS HERE IN SEDONA, CAMP VERDE, COTTONWOOD, UH, AND, UH, FLAGSTAFF. UM, OUR CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, DAVE CHENEY, SENDS HIS REGRETS FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO BE HERE. UH, HE RECEIVED A LAST MINUTE INVITATION TO ATTEND, UH, A MEETING IN CALIFORNIA OF, UH, LIKE SIZED INDEPENDENT HEALTH SYSTEMS TO LEARN FROM ONE ANOTHER, UH, AND, UH, HOW THEY'RE SERVING THEIR RURAL COMMUNITIES. UH, AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, UH, ONE, WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTRIBUTE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN, UH, AND UNDERSTAND, APPRECIATE WHAT OTHERS MIGHT BE DOING TO HELP MEET THE NEEDS OF THEIR, UH, UH, COMMUNITIES. UH, DAVE DID WANT ME TO START OUT BY SPECIFICALLY THANKING MAYOR JALO AND COUNCIL MEMBER FOLTZ FOR REACHING OUT NOT TOO LONG AGO, UH, ABOUT, UH, AND MEETING WITH HIM ABOUT ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS HERE IN A BIT, WHICH IS THE USE OF OUR PROPERTY, UM, THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE SEDONA MEDICAL CENTER, UH, AND THE POTENTIAL USES OF THOSE LANDS. UM, AND, AND STEVE ICE, MY COLLEAGUE, WILL SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, UH, SOME OF OUR THOUGHTS THERE, MOSTLY AROUND PARTNERSHIP. AND THAT'S THE KIND OF DIALOGUE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE, UH, WITH YOU ALL AND WITH THE COMMUNITY, IS TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE, UH, HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER, UH, WITH CITIES AND REGIONAL LEADERS, UH, TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, HOLISTICALLY, NOT JUST, UH, N'S NEEDS. UH, NOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME. WHO ARE YOU LISTENING TO AND WHY? UM, SO, UM, UH, AS I MENTIONED, I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR CLINICAL OPERATIONS ACROSS, UH, NORTHERN ARIZONA. UH, I'VE BEEN HERE JUST ABOUT 10 MONTHS NOW, UM, UH, HERE IN NORTHERN ARIZONA AFTER RELOCATING FROM LEXINGTON, KENTUCKY. UM, GREAT MOVE, UH, WONDERFUL DECISION FOR ME TO COME, UH, TO COME HERE TO NORTHERN ARIZONA. UM, I'M ORIGINALLY FROM THE MIDWEST, ROCHESTER, MINNESOTA, TO BE EXACT. UM, SO THAT PROBABLY EXPLAINS MY INTEREST IN HEALTHCARE, UM, UH, AND, UH, HOME TO THE MAYO CLINIC. AND AFTER SEVERAL DECADES IN THE HOT AND MUGGY SOUTHERN UNITED STATES, I'M REALLY GLAD TO BE HERE IN NORTHERN ARIZONA. UH, WELL, IT GETS HOT. UH, THERE'S, THE, THE MUGGY IS GONE. UH, AND I REALLY, I REALLY ENJOY THAT. SO, UM, I'M REALLY EXCITED AS WELL TO BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY TO HELP GROW AND IMPROVE, UH, OUR HEALTHCARE SERVICES. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE FEEDBACK, UH, THROUGHOUT OUR PRESENTATION. UM, AND, UH, I'M GONNA LET STEVE ICE INTRODUCE HIMSELF BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT PRESENTATION AND THE HOPE FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE CAN HELP SUPPORT SEDONA IN THE VERDE VALLEY. GREAT. THANKS BO. UH, AND THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNSELORS FOR HAVING US THIS EVENING. UM, I AM STEVE ICE. I'M NI H'S VICE PRESIDENT OF CONSTRUCTION AND REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT. UM, IN THAT ROLE, I OVERSEE OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT, UM, INCLUDING EVERYTHING FROM PLANNING AND DESIGN OF OUR BUILDINGS AND OUR PROPERTIES TO FACILITIES ENGINEERING, UH, DAY-TO-DAY MAINTENANCE, AND THEN LIFE SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENT OF CARE, UH, RESPONSIBILITIES TO HELP KEEP OUR PATIENTS SAFE. UM, I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN QUEENS, NEW YORK, AND HAPPY TO MEET SO MANY OTHER NEW YORK TRANSPLANTS, UH, IN MY FIRST HALF HOUR, UH, AT, AT COUNCIL CHAMBERS, UM, AND MADE MY WAY TO ARIZONA IN 1999 TO FINISH MY DEGREE IN ARCHITECTURE AT ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY, UM, WHICH I AM A PROUD GRADUATE OF. AND, UH, NOW THE FATHER OF A FRESHMAN THERE. UH, SO I GOT TO SPEND FAMILY WEEKEND THERE THIS WEEKEND, AND IT WAS, IT WAS GREAT TO BE BACK, UM, WOUND UP, UH, COMING OUTTA SCHOOL AND GETTING INTO, UH, HEALTHCARE ARCHITECTURE, UM, WHICH LED ME OVER TO WORKING DIRECTLY FOR HEALTHCARE SYSTEMS AND HAVE SPENT THE LAST 24 YEARS, UH, DESIGNING AND DEVELOPING HEALTHCARE, UH, PROJECTS ALL OVER THE STATE OF ARIZONA. UM, AND HAVE SPENT THE LAST ALMOST FOUR YEARS HERE IN NORTHERN ARIZONA IN THIS WONDERFUL COMMUNITY WORKING FOR NH. SO, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. [00:20:01] GREAT. THANK YOU. STEVE. IF YOU GO TO THE FIRST SLIDE THERE, PLEASE, STEVE. UH, JUST A, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US. UM, WE WERE FORMED IN 1995 AS A RESULT OF THE MERGER BETWEEN VERDE VALLEY MEDICAL CENTER AND, UH, FLAGSTAFF MEDICAL CENTER. JUST A, A FEW FAST FACTS, UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE, I'M NOT GONNA READ THESE, UH, BUT I THINK A, A, A MESSAGE HERE IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO GROW, UH, AND WE CONTINUE TO GROW, UH, ALL ACROSS NORTHERN ARIZONA. UM, AND I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU IN A MOMENT, SOME OF THE FANTASTIC WORK THAT OUR TEAMS HAVE DONE AROUND PHYSICIAN RECRUITMENT TAKES PROVIDERS TO WRITE ORDERS TO GET CARE. UH, AND SO IT OBVIOUSLY MAKES SENSE THAT WE WOULD BE FOCUSED ON THAT, UH, UH, FAIRLY DILIGENTLY. BUT ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE, UM, UH, UNDERSTOOD, AND, AND DAVE REALLY SET THE TONE FOR THIS WHEN HE WAS RECRUITED HERE, UH, IS, IS GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND ONE OF THE FIRST PIECES OF FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY WAS, WE NEED TO LISTEN MORE. UH, AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AND NEEDS FROM NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE. UM, AND SO WE'VE HAD MANY INDIVIDUAL AND SMALL GROUP CONVERSATIONS, BOTH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL TO THE ORGANIZATION. WE, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THESE FOLKS EXISTED, BUT WE ACTUALLY ENGAGED SOME LISTENING CONSULTANTS, UH, TO, UH, UH, TO TAKE SESSIONS WITHOUT US, UM, UH, TO HEAR UNVARNISHED PERSPECTIVES OF THE HISTORICAL RELATIONSHIP WITH NAH, BUT ALSO ABOUT THE FUTURE, UH, AS WELL. IN FACT, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN, UM, SOME, UH, RECENT POSTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, UH, AND ON THE RADIO AND IN THE NEWSPAPERS WHERE WE HELD SOME OF THOSE SESSIONS AND ADVERTISED THOSE SO THAT WE COULD GET, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMINOLOGY, JOHN Q AND SUZY P PUBLIC, UH, TO, TO COME AND ENGAGE WITH US, UM, IN, IN WAYS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN WE WOULD NORMALLY, UM, UH, THAN WE WOULD NORMALLY PLAN THOSE THINGS. UM, WE'RE EXCITED, UH, TO, TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT WITH YOU ABOUT SOME OF THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE VERDE VALLEY, BUT AGAIN, WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU, UH, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND, AND SPECIFICALLY AT THE END, HOW CAN WE BEST SUPPORT THE HEALTHCARE NEEDS, UH, OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO, FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO SERVE JUST A, A COUPLE OF, UH, KEY, UH, STATISTICS YOU CAN SEE HERE ABOUT VERDE VALLEY. UH, WE DO DISCHARGE ABOUT 4,700 INPATIENTS A YEAR. UM, OUR ED AT COTTONWOOD, UH, IS ABOUT HALF THE VOLUME OF THAT AT FLAGSTAFF. UM, UH, AT, AT 22,600, SEDONA MEDICAL CENTER SEES MORE THAN 8,000 EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS A YEAR. SO A VERY BUSY, UH, UH, FACILITY. AND IT'S, IT'S, UM, UH, UH, ALSO, UH, A VERY ROBUST AND LARGE, UH, UH, PROCEDURAL OPERATION IN OUR OPERATING ROOMS. WE'LL ACTUALLY SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES IN JUST A MOMENT, AND A LOT OF IMAGING AS WELL. UH, WE OPERATE THE ONLY, UM, AMBULATORY MRI IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING READY TO ADD ONE. UH, AND SO STEVE WILL SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. AND WE'VE SEEN ROUGHLY 5% GROWTH IN, IN PRIMARY CARE VISITS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. IF YOU FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, STEVE, JUST TALK SOME ABOUT THE, UH, RECENT DEVELOPS, BUT DEVELOPMENTS PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE PROVIDER ADDITIONS TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, AND SO, UH, YOU CAN SEE, UH, JUST A, A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, OR A LITTLE LESS THAN A YEAR AGO, EXCUSE ME, UH, DR. UH, FOU ACTUALLY MOVED FROM FLAGSTAFF TO, TO THE COMMUNITY HERE, UH, TO SERVE AS A CARDIOLOGIST. UH, WE'VE HAD, UM, UH, SOME SIGNIFICANT RECRUITMENT EFFORTS UNDERWAY, AND WE'RE IN A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS TO BRING SOME OTHERS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD MOST CONCERNS ABOUT WAS INTERVENTIONAL CARDIOLOGY AND OUR ABILITY TO, UH, TO PROVIDE CARE IN THAT REGARD. AND WE'VE ADDED TWO PROVIDERS. DR. PECHI JOINED US IN AUGUST. HE IS AT THE GROUND ABSOLUTELY RUNNING, KEEPING THE CATH LAB AT THE VERDE VALLEY MEDICAL CENTER, UM, UH, FUNCTIONAL AND BUSY. UH, AND THEN DR. MA, MARK GICK WILL BE JOINING US SHORTLY AFTER THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW YEAR. HE ACTUALLY WORKED HERE AS WHAT WE CALL A LOCUM, SO A CONTRACTED PROVIDER, UH, FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS. LIKED IT SO MUCH THAT HE ACCEPTED A JOB OFFER FROM US, UH, TO COME BE HERE PERMANENTLY. SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. PRIMARY CARE, AS I MENTIONED, HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT FOCUS HERE. UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE ADDED, UH, THREE JUST WITHIN THE LAST, UM, UH, WE'LL BE ADDING TWO IN NOVEMBER, ADDED ONE, UH, AT THE VILLAGE VOTE CREEK PRACTICE IN, IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR. AND WE CONTINUE TO RECRUIT, UH, UH, ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL THAT RECRUITMENT AND CONTINUED RECRUITMENT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE LIFE CHANGES. AND ONE OF OUR PRIMARY CARE PROVIDERS, ACTUALLY, THEIR SPOUSE, IS GOING TO BE A SPECIALIST AT THE UNIVERSITY, I'M SORRY, AT PENN STATE, UH, IN HERSHEY. UM, AND SO HE IS LEAVING. SO THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'VE GOT FOLKS IN THE PIPELINE THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO TALK TO, TO REPLACE HIM AS QUICKLY AS WE, UH, AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. WE ARE FOCUSED ON, UM, UH, CAMP VERDE AND IMMEDIATE CARE AS WELL. UH, LARGELY A, UM, PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT OR PHYSICIAN EXTENDER PRACTICE THAT WE DO HAVE PHYSICIAN PROVIDERS IN THAT, UH, IN THAT BUILDING AS WELL. UH, ONCOLOGY IS A MAJOR FOCUS, PARTICULARLY HERE, UH, IN SEDONA, UH, BECAUSE OF THE BREAST CENTER, UH, THAT WE HAVE LOCATED, UM, UH, IN THE SEDONA MEDICAL CENTER AND THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE AT VERDE VALLEY. UH, SO WE CONTINUE TO INVEST IN THAT. AND THEN WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT MEETING A COMMUNITY NEED THAT'S BEEN ABSENT FOR A FEW YEARS NOW, UH, CERTAINLY SINCE THE MIDDLE OF COVID, UM, [00:25:01] WHICH IS PROVIDING UROLOGISTS TO THE COMMUNITY. SO, UH, DR. MIKE MCDONALD IS GONNA LIVE HERE IN SEDONA. IT WAS LIKE THE PERFECT STORM. ONE OF HIS CHILDREN GOES TO A SU, ANOTHER OF HIS CHILDREN GOES TO UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA. HIS WIFE VISITED SEDONA AND SAYS, I WANT TO LIVE HERE. UM, UH, AND SO GONNA LIVE HERE IN THE COMMUNITY AND WILL BE WITH US ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT LATER THIS MONTH. AND WE'VE EXPERIENCED THAT WHEN WE GET ONE OF SOMETHING, WE TYPICALLY START TO GET THE OTHERS. NO ONE WANTS TO TAKE CALL BY THEMSELVES, SO THEY NEVER WANNA BE THE FIRST ONE TO JUMP. AND ONCE WE GET ONE, WE TYPICALLY GET OTHERS DOCTORS, UH, B AND GLI ARE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT. ONCE WE LANDED DR. BAGCHI, DR. GICK SIGNED ON AND SIGNED HIS, UH, OFFER LETTER AND CONTRACT WITHIN SEVERAL WEEKS. UM, AND SO, UH, NEXT SLIDE. UM, JUST A FEW MORE HERE. UH, DR. UH, BAIA, UH, ACTUALLY DOES BOTH SLEEP MEDICINE AND CARDIOLOGY. UH, PRIMARILY DO SLEEP MEDICINE, AND, AND WE'LL RUN THE SLEEP CENTER HERE, UH, IN, UM, SORRY, RUN A SLEEP CLINIC FIRST HERE IN, UM, UH, AT THE VERDE VALLEY MEDICAL CENTER. UH, BUT THEN MOVING TOWARDS THE SLEEP CENTER AS WELL. PULMONARY IS A GREAT NEED FOR THE COMMUNITY HERE. UH, A LOT OF CHRONIC, UH, COPD. UM, AND, UH, SO THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS THAT WE'VE GOT A CONSTANT AND CONSISTENT ICU COVERAGE FROM THE SAME GROUP. IT'S A STANDARD OF CARE, UH, THAT IS ESTABLISHED EVENLY ACROSS FLAGSTAFF MEDICAL CENTER AND, UM, VERDE VALLEY MEDICAL CENTER. I WAS WALKING THROUGH THE VERDE VALLEY MEDICAL CENTER LAST WEEK AND CHATTING WITH SOME OF THE NURSES. WE'RE SO EXCITED. WE HAVE REAL ICU PATIENTS, AND FOR A NURSE, THAT MEANS PATIENTS ON VENTILATORS. UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT THOSE PEOPLE TO BE ILL, BUT IN THE END, IT LETS THEM DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, WHICH IS TAKE CARE OF PATIENTS AND NOT HAVE TO SHIP 'EM OUT OF THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THAT CAPABILITY, UH, WITH OUR PROVIDERS. YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, ORTHOPEDICS, ENDOCRINOLOGY, UM, UH, HAVE BEEN ADDITIONS. UM, WE, UM, ACTUALLY HAVE DR. JOSH GIBBONS, WHO JOINED US IN MARCH. WE CONTINUE TO RECRUIT ONE ADDITIONAL NEUROLOGIST THAT ACTUALLY IS PROBABLY GONNA END UP BEING TWO, UH, BECAUSE ONE OF OUR NEUROLOGISTS HAS, UH, DECIDED TO RETIRE, UM, UH, LONG-TERM, UH, INDIVIDUAL WITH US. UM, AND, UH, WE'RE, HE'S LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT RETIREMENT. YOU MIGHT, UH, RECOGNIZE THE NAME FELDMAN. UH, DR. JAKE FELDMAN'S FATHER WAS AN ENT IN THE COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS. UH, AND, UH, HE IS, UH, UH, JOINING US HERE. AND THEN, UH, WE'RE, UH, RESTARTING OUR EFFORTS SURROUNDING, UH, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, UM, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY. IT'S A SIGNIFICANT NEED ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, UH, NOT IMMUNE TO THAT HERE IN NORTHERN ARIZONA. AND, UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF HAVING TRAINING PROGRAMS AT VERDE VALLEY MEDICAL CENTER. SO, DR. MIRANDA, UH, ANDERSON IS A GRADUATE OF OUR RESIDENCY PROGRAM AT THE VERDE VALLEY MEDICAL CENTER, IS COMING BACK TO JOIN US. UH, SHE WENT AND DID A FELLOWSHIP, THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA IN ADDICTION, UH, MEDICINE, AND, AND, UH, A LOT OF OUTPATIENT RECOVERY CLINIC WORK, UH, AND WILL BE OPENING A RECOVERY CLINIC ON THE VERDE VALLEY CAMPUS. AND SHE'LL BE WORKING BOTH AS AN ADDICTION MEDICINE FOR CONSULTA, UH, SPECIALISTS FOR BOTH CONSULTATION PURPOSES, BUT ALSO AS A HOSPITALIST, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SHE TRAINED TO DO, IS INTER GENERAL INTERNAL MEDICINE. SO, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT, UM, THE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT GOING FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE. WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO. IT IS GOING TO TAKE TIME. UH, BUT, UH, OUR TEAMS ARE VERY FOCUSED ON DELIVERING PROVIDERS TO THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE RIGHT, WRONG, OR INDIFFERENT, LEFT THE COMMUNITY FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER. UM, PARTLY PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIPS WITH PRIOR ADMINISTRATIONS. AND WE'RE TAKING AN APPROACH THAT, UH, THAT THAT'S NOT A REASONABLE THING TO DO. OUR JOB IS TO RECRUIT AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, RETAIN PROVIDERS FOR THE COMMUNITY. HECK, THAT MAKES MY LIFE A LOT EASIER. UH, IF WE CAN PUT, SET 'EM UP TO BE RETAINED AND THAT THEY WANNA WORK HERE, I CAN FOCUS ON HOW IT IS THAT WE CREATE CAPACITY FOR THEM, UH, TO SEE PATIENTS. UH, AND THAT'S WHAT I REALLY ENJOY DOING. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, I DO WANNA TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT A, A, A NEW PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE, UM, UH, WITH, UH, CITY OF HOPE. SO, CITY OF HOPE, UH, IS A, UH, NATIONAL BRAND OF, UH, CANCER CARE. UH, THEIR HOME BASE IS IN DUARTE, CALIFORNIA. THEY ACTUALLY DO, UH, MORE BONE MARROW TRANSPLANTS THAN ANY, UM, UH, ANYBODY ELSE IN THIS, UH, IN THE, IN THE COUNTRY. THEY'RE THE THIRD LARGEST CANCER PROVIDER, UH, IN THE UNITED STATES. UH, THEY ACQUIRED SOME FACILITIES FROM CANCER TREATMENT CENTERS OF AMERICA DOWN IN, UH, GOODYEAR, UH, AND, UM, UH, VERY GLAD TO HAVE THEM INTO THE COMMUNITY, UH, UH, FOR SURE. UH, BUT, UH, WE HAVE A, A CARE COORDINATION ALLIANCE WITH THEM, UH, WHICH BASICALLY IS AN ARRANGEMENT, UH, WHERE WE HAVE ACCESS. OUR PATIENTS HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR SPECIALISTS, UH, AND TO THEIR ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES INTO THEIR CLINICAL TRIALS. UM, FOR PATIENTS WHO CAN'T BE CARED FOR HERE IN THE COMMUNITY, THE DESIGN OF THE PROGRAM IS ONE OF A REFERRAL NATURE. SO, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, THE FIRST PATIENT WHO WAS REFERRED TO CITY OF HOPE BY ONE OF OUR PROVIDERS, WAS FROM ONE OF OUR SURGEONS AT VERDE VALLEY MEDICAL CENTER. UH, WENT AND GOT A CONSULTATION, UH, DOWN, UH, AT CITY OF HOPE. THE SURGERY [00:30:01] WAS PERFORMED HERE, AND THE PATIENT RECOVERED HERE. UM, AND, UH, BUT WITH THE GUIDANCE OF A WORLD RENOWNED SURGICAL ONCOLOGIST. UH, AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS, UH, EXCITED ABOUT THIS PARTNERSHIP. THE OTHER THING THAT IT WILL DO FOR US, IT WILL OFFER US SOME UNIQUE SUBSPECIALTIES THAT WE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO RECRUIT TO NORTHERN ARIZONA. THERE JUST ISN'T A POPULATION TO SUPPORT THE AMOUNT OF CLINICAL ACTIVITY TO, UM, UH, TO DEMONSTRATE A NEED FOR A FULL-TIME, UH, PA UH, PROVIDER DEALING WITH ACUTE LEUKEMIA. UM, AND SO WE HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE SERVICES, UH, IN A, IN A STREAMLINED FASHION. THIS GOES AS FAR AS HAVING ACCESS TO ONE ANOTHER'S ELECTRONIC HEALTH RECORDS. UM, SO THAT, UH, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN CHECK UP ON PATIENTS AS THEY GO THROUGH THE COURSE OF CARE, WHETHER IT'S DOWN IN THE VALLEY OR IT'S HERE IN, IN NORTHERN ARIZONA. SO, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA WALK, UH, BEFORE WE JOG BEFORE WE RUN ON THIS, BUT PATIENTS HAVE ALREADY STARTED FLOWING AND ENROLLING IN THE PARTNERSHIP, AND WE'RE, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. THE PROSPECT OF CLINICAL TRIALS IS PROBABLY A FEW YEARS OFF. ONE MUST HAVE AN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT. UH, I CAME FROM AN NCI DESIGNATED COMPREHENSIVE CANCER CENTER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY. UH, AND WE HAD 30 PEOPLE WHO DID NOTHING BUT ADMINISTER CLINICAL TRIALS. WE'RE NOT THERE YET, UH, AS NAH. AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH CITY OF HOPE TO SET THAT UP AND RELY ON THEIR EXPERTISE AND CAPABILITIES TO GET THAT GOING. UH, BUT WE SHOULD SEE SOME GROWTH IN THAT, PROBABLY WITHIN ABOUT A YEAR'S TIME, UH, AND ACCESS TO THOSE IMPORTANT CLINICAL TRIALS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO STEVE, BUT I THINK THE POINT OF THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES IS TO DEMONSTRATE OUR CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING. WHEN WE BECAME RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS IN 1995, UH, WE DID A LOT OF WORK TO UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHAT WAS NECESSARY TO BRING THE FACILITIES UP TO MODERN STANDARDS. WHEN STEVE GOT HERE ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, UH, HE WENT THROUGH AN EFFORT TO REINVIGORATE THAT PLAN AND REALIZE WE HADN'T DONE AS MUCH AS WE WANTED, OR AS MUCH AS WE NEEDED. AND SO, YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME THINGS THAT ARE NOT REMARKABLY EXCITING HERE, BUT THEY'RE CRITICAL TO RUNNING A HOSPITAL. GUESS WHAT? I WOULD, I'D LIKE TO DISAGREE WITH THAT. FOR THE REST, , YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BOILER, UH, TO RUN A HOSPITAL, UH, COUNSELOR. YEAH. I, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PHASE, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. SURE. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT IS PRIMARY CARE. MM-HMM. IS THE THINGS PEOPLE COMPLAIN TO ME AND THAT I SEE AS A NEED. YOU MENTIONED THE ONES YOU'VE HIRED. HOW MANY DO, WOULD YOU HAVE ON STAFF WHEN YOU CONSIDERED IT WOULD BE LIKE FULLY, FULLY STAFFED WITH PRIMARY CARE FOR SEDONA, UM, COTTONWOOD AND VOC. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UH, THE, THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK CLINIC IS ACTUALLY FULL OF PROVIDERS NOW. OKAY. WE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE ANY MORE PROVIDERS IN THAT SPACE, UM, AND STILL ROTATE SPECIALISTS THROUGH WHO COME DOWN FROM FLAGSTAFF TO CARE FOR PATIENTS. SO THAT CLINIC IS FULL. WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM AT SEDONA MEDICAL CENTER. UM, UH, RIGHT NOW, UH, MY THOUGHT PROCESS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, AND WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS IS RECRUITING TWO PRIMARY CARE PROVIDERS FOR THAT SPACE. AND THEN, UH, CAMP VERDE, UM, WE'VE GOT TREMENDOUS ROOM FOR GROWTH THERE. SO NO STOPPING ON RECRUITMENT. UH, WE'VE PROBABLY GOT ROOM FOR ANOTHER THREE OR FOUR PROVIDERS IN THAT LOCATION. UH, AND, UM, UH, FOCUSING NOW THAT WE'VE KIND OF FILLED OUR, UM, OUR ADVANCED PRACTITIONER ROLES FOCUSING ON MDS AND DOS. UM, SO, UH, MEDICAL DOCTORS AND DOCTORS OF OSTEOPATHY, UH, TO FILL THAT UP. SO, ANOTHER, PROBABLY FIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY IS WHAT WE THINK, UM, UH, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IN THE SPACES THAT WE'VE GOT TODAY. HOWEVER, THERE'S MATH THAT TELLS US THAT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS. UM, AND SO AS WE THINK ABOUT GROWTH AND TALK A LITTLE BIT LATER ABOUT WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE FOR USE OF OUR LAND, ET CETERA, IT MAY END UP BEING PRIMARY CARE TO MEET THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS. I AM, UM, UH, IT IS IN EXCESS OF 10 AND LESS THAN 15, I'M SORRY, YES. IN EXCESS OF 10 AND LESS THAN 15 MORE PRIMARY CARE PROVIDERS THAT, UM, THE VERDE VALLEY NEEDS. UM, AND SO WE'RE COMMITTED TO, UH, TO, TO, TO WORKING, TO, TO FILL THAT GAP. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THAT'LL TURN IT OVER TO STEVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO AS BO DISCUSSED, WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF, UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES, UH, FACILITY UPGRADES AND FACILITY GROWTH THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS NOW, AND SOME THAT WE PLAN, UH, MOVING FORWARD. SO, UH, I, I DO AGREE, UH, WITH BO IN, IN SOME PART, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT OUR CORE BUSINESS, RIGHT? WE ARE HERE TO TAKE CARE OF PATIENTS. UM, BUT BEHIND THE SCENES, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT DO CARE ABOUT, THAT DO TAKE CARE OF OUR PATIENTS. UM, AND THESE WERE SOME MUCH NEEDED INVESTMENT UPGRADES THAT WE NEEDED TO MAKE. UM, AND YOU'LL SEE US CONTINUE TO MAKE SOME OF THESE INVESTMENTS ACROSS THE ENTIRE VERDE MARKET. UM, SO STARTING LAST YEAR, UM, WE BEGAN, UH, OVER $10 MILLION INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT UPGRADE. UM, AND, AND WHY I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT IS NOT ONLY IS WAS IT NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH, UM, MODERN HEALTHCARE, BUT IT ALSO SPEAKS TO NIHS, [00:35:01] LONG-TERM DESIRE TO STAY, UM, IN THESE MARKETS AND CONTINUE TO SERVE THESE MARKETS. THESE ARE, UH, IN SOME CASES, 30, 40, 50 YEAR INVESTMENTS WE'RE MAKING IN ELECTRICAL UPGRADES, UM, BOILER UPGRADES. UM, SO BOILER SYSTEMS, UH, FOR INSTANCE, ARE KIND OF THE, THE LIFEBLOOD OF, UH, WHAT KEEPS OUR, UH, SURGICAL SUITES UP AND RUNNING. AND WITH PROPER HUMIDITY, IT'S WHAT BRINGS, UM, HIGH TEMP STEAM TO OUR STERILE PROCESSING DEPARTMENT AND GIVES US THE ABILITY TO CLEAN ALL OF OUR SURGICAL INSTRUMENTS IN BETWEEN, UM, OUR CASES. UM, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, UM, RENEWING AND, AND REPLACING ALL OF OUR GENERATOR, UM, AND ELECTRICAL UPGRADES. UM, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF FINISHING UP, UH, THOSE GENERATOR PROJECTS RIGHT NOW. UM, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE, AS A, AS AN INPATIENT HEALTHCARE FACILITY, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVE AND TEST EVERY MONTH THAT WE CAN HANDLE THE ENTIRE CRITICAL AND EMERGENCY ELECTRICAL LOAD FOR OUR HOSPITAL ON AN EMERGENCY GENERATOR. AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET IT FULLY UP AND RUNNING WITHIN 10 SECONDS OF LOSING POWER FROM THE UTILITY. SO IF WE LOSE UTILITY FROM A PS DUE TO WHATEVER THAT IS, A CAR ACCIDENT DOWN THE STREET, SOMETHING WRONG, UM, FROM A SYSTEM PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BACK UP, UM, EVERYTHING THAT'S ON OUR EMERGENCY AND CRITICAL SIDE, AND IT HAS TO BE UP AND RUNNING IN 10 SECONDS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR PATIENTS FOR 96 HOURS. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN THAT. AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE FUEL PART OF IT. UM, SO, UH, ONGOING INVESTMENTS IN, IN INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES, UH, AT THE VVMC CAMPUS, UM, ALL, ALL STARTED, UH, AS, AS BO ALLUDED TO, AS PART OF THIS MASTER FACILITY PLAN THAT YOU'LL HEAR REFERENCED. THERE'S A MASTER FACILITY PLAN AS IT PERTAINS TO SPACE. THERE'S A MASTER FACILITY PLAN AS IT PERTAINS TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND THE SLOW, UH, MIGRATION AND UPGRADE OF ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS TO BE MORE MODERN TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. AND WHEN DID THAT MASTER PLAN START? UH, WE, WE STARTED, UH, I THINK IF I REMEMBER, IT WAS FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR THAT OUR BOARD APPROVED THIS. AND THEN THAT WAS THE INFRASTRUCTURE PIECE OF IT, THE $10.7 MILLION, AND THEN THE MASTER PLAN ITSELF, WHICH REFERENCES THE ENTIRE VERDE MARKET, WHICH WE'LL TOUCH ON HERE IN A SECOND, TOO. FINISHED UP ABOUT A YEAR AGO NOW. THANK YOU. IT'S ALL NEW. YOU'RE WELCOME. UM, SO THE SECOND, UH, PROJECT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, IS, UH, THE VALLEY VERDE MEDICAL CENTER, UH, MMRI, NUMBER TWO. SO, AS, UH, BO ALLUDED TO, UM, WE HAVE THE ONLY AMBULATORY MRI IN THIS MARKET. UM, WE HAVE A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING THAT SITS ADJACENT TO VERDE VALLEY MEDICAL CENTER, THE HOSPITAL ITSELF, UM, IN THE, THE M**K, WHICH IS OUR MEDICAL IMAGING CENTER. IT'S A OUTPATIENT, UM, IMAGING, UH, BUILDING. WE FINALLY GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE HIT THE VOLUMES THAT PEOPLE HAD PREDICTED WE WOULD HIT. UM, THE BUILDING HAD ALWAYS BEEN BUILT WITH A SECOND SHELLED, MRI TO BE BUILT OUT IN THE FUTURE. UM, OUR TRENDS ARE SHOWING THAT WE NEED, THAT. WE'RE ALREADY SEEING SOME OF OUR OUTPATIENT MRI SCANS HAVE TO BLEED OVER INTO THE HOSPITAL. THAT ULTIMATELY IMPACTS OUR SCHEDULING ON THE INPATIENT SIDE AND ON OUR EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT SIDE. AND WE WANT TO BE VERY FOCUSED AND DEDICATED TO BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE ON THE OUTPATIENT SIDE. SO WE ARE JUST, UH, STARTING DESIGN ON A $2.4 MILLION INSTALLATION, UH, OF, OF AN MRI, UM, INTO THAT MEDICAL IMAGING CENTER THAT SHOULD BE COMPLETE, UH, NEXT SUMMER. HOW DOES THAT COMPARE WITH THE MRI AT THE SEDONA CAMPUS? THAT'S FAIRLY NEW. SO THERE'S NOT AN MRI AT THE SEDONA CAMPUS. UH, THE SEDONA CAMPUS, WE HAVE A CT SCANNER AND A LINEAR ACCELERATOR. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S FAIRLY NEW TOO, RIGHT? UH, THE LINEAR ACCELERATOR, NOT THE CT SCANNER. A LITTLE BIT NEWER. THE LINEAR ACCELERATOR ACTUALLY, UM, IS, IS ON PLAN FOR REPLACEMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO NEXT, AND, AND THIS IS STILL IN THE STUDY PORTION, BUT THIS WAS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT ROSE TO THE TOP. AS WE STARTED TO LOOK THROUGH, UH, OUR FACILITIES MASTER PLANNING, UH, THE VERDE VALLEY EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, UM, WE, WE SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT, UH, ITS, ITS VOLUME AND HOW IT SEES HALF THE VOLUME, UH, OF FLAGSTAFF MEDICAL CENTER, WHICH IS A FULL LEVEL ONE TRAUMA CENTER. SO WITH US SEEING OVER 22,000 VISITS A YEAR IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T THINK WE NEED, UM, TO DO ANY BUILDING ADDITIONS TO THAT SPACE. UM, BUT WHAT WE DO THINK NEEDS TO BE DONE IS A REAL LOOK AT, AT PATIENT THROUGHPUT AND A REDESIGN OF THAT EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN FLOW PATIENTS BETTER THROUGH THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, AND WE CAN CREATE BETTER LINES OF SIGHT FOR OUR STAFF. UM, SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE BEGINNINGS OF A DESIGN THAT TAKES OUR EXISTING EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT WITHIN MOSTLY THE CONFINES OF THE SPACE THAT IT IS NOW INCREASES THE, UH, TREATMENT CAPACITY SPACE FROM 20 SPACES TO 27 SPACES. UM, AND THEN ALSO CREATES MORE OF A RACETRACK FLOW TO BE ABLE TO GET PATIENTS IN AND OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT QUICKER. UM, ALONG WITH CREATING, UM, A, A QUICK LOOK ACCESS AREA FOR SOME OF THOSE PATIENTS WHO AREN'T AS ILL AS SOME PATIENTS WHO MIGHT HAVE TO BE, UH, ULTIMATELY TREATED ON THE INPATIENT SIDE, WE'RE ABLE TO GET THEM INTO THE ED AND GET THEM OUT OF THE ED. UM, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE ARE HOPING, UM, [00:40:01] TO WORK ON DESIGN, UH, IN CALENDAR YEAR 25. AND I WOULD DRAW ATTENTION TO THE BLOCK THAT'S THERE IN THE MIDDLE, UH, JUST TO, UM, UH, REINFORCE THE IMPORTANCE OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH. UH, WE HAVE A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH UNIT IN THE EXISTING EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, UH, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO GROW THAT, UM, AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR BOTH THE PATIENTS AND FOR OUR COLLEAGUES, UH, WHO ARE CARING FOR PATIENTS. UM, AND SO THAT'S A COMPONENT OF THIS, UH, REDESIGN AS WELL. AND THEN NEXT, UH, AT VERDE VALLEY MEDICAL CENTER, UM, WE PERFORMED OUR FIRST ROBOTIC SURGERIES, UM, STARTING ON ON JUNE 10TH. UM, SO THIS IS A, A NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT WE BROUGHT TO THE SURGICAL DEPARTMENT, UH, IN VERDE, UH, MULTIPLE BENEFITS TO ROBOTIC SURGERY. BUT ONE OF THEM, UM, IS, IS MOST DEFINITELY THE ABILITY FOR US TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO RECRUIT GREAT, UH, SURGEONS. MM-HMM. . UM, A LOT OF THE SURGEONS THAT ARE COMING OUTTA SCHOOL NOW ARE TRAINED ON THESE, UM, ROBOTS. AND WHEN THEY COME OUTTA SCHOOL, THEY EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO WORK ON THESE ROBOTS. AND SO, UH, IT WAS GREAT TO BE ABLE TO BRING THIS, UH, TO MARKET IN JUNE TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THAT RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION. AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN RECRUITING THE UROLOGIST THAT WE DID WITHOUT ROBOTIC TECHNOLOGY. UM, AND PLEASE, UH, WHAT WE DON'T SHOW YOU HERE IS THE CONSOLE WHERE THE SURGEON SITS. THE ROBOT'S NOT DOING SURGERY BY ITSELF. , UH, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, MONITORED FROM A CONSOLE THAT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE PATIENT. AND THERE'S A FIRST ASSIST AT THE, AT THE BEDSIDE, UH, OR AT THE TABLESIDE, UH, HELPING CARE FOR THE PATIENT. AND THE BENEFITS OF THIS ACTUALLY ARE, UM, UH, THREEFOLD. UH, THE FIRST OF WHICH, AS STEVE INDICATED, IT'S A DEFINITE RECRUITMENT TOOL, BUT FROM A PATIENT CARE PERSPECTIVE, IT'S, UH, MUCH LESS INVASIVE THAN OPEN CARE. UM, AND THE LENGTH OF STAY IS SHORTER. AND THE RECOVERY TIME, UH, POST DISCHARGE IS TYPICALLY ABOUT HALF THE TIME, UH, UH, AS IT WOULD BE FOR A CASE THAT WAS DONE ON, UH, OPEN KIND OF CASES. ARE YOU DOING ROBOTIC SURGERY ON? SO RIGHT NOW IT'S GENERAL SURGERY, IT'S GALLBLADDERS, UM, HERNIAS, UM, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THIS IS ANOTHER AREA WHERE WE ARE, UH, WALKING, UH, BEFORE WE'RE JOGGING, BEFORE WE'RE RUNNING, UH, THERE'S A VERY RIGOROUS PROCESS FOR, UH, PROVIDERS TO BE PROCTORED THROUGH THIS. AND SO WE ACTUALLY HIRE PEOPLE TO COME IN AND HELP US DO CASES THE FIRST 10, AND THEN, UM, UH, TOGETHER THE FIRST 10 WITH AN OBSERVER. AND THEN ONCE YOU PASS MUSTER AND THE REST OF THE MEDICAL STAFF SAYS, HEY, THE OUTCOMES ARE FINE, IT MOVES ON TO, UH, UH, TO THAT. AND SO WE'RE STARTING WITH RELATIVELY WHAT, WHAT FOR ME WOULD BE A VERY DIFFICULT CASE. 'CAUSE I'M NOT A SURGEON, BUT FOR A SURGEON, A RELATIVELY SIMPLE CASE OF A GALLBLADDER REMOVAL. UM, AND SO AGAIN, WE'RE WALKING BEFORE WE'RE, WE'RE JOGGING AND RUNNING. OKAY. SO ONTO SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE, UH, CURRENTLY LOOKING AT AT SEDONA MEDICAL CENTER. AND WE, WE DISCUSSED BEFORE THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN FOR THE VERDE MARKET, UM, WE LOOKED AT THAT, UH, MASTER PLAN IN TOTALITY ACROSS THE ENTIRE VERDE MARKET. SO AT OUR CAMP VERDE FACILITIES, UH, IN, INTO COTTONWOOD AND INTO SEDONA. BUT ALSO THEN STARTED TO TAKE SOME DEEPER DIVES INTO, UM, WHAT EACH FACILITY, UH, MIGHT NEED IN, IN THE SHORT TERM. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS, UH, THAT, THAT CAME OUT OF THE MASTER PLAN FOR SEDONA MEDICAL CENTER ITSELF, UM, IS THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. SO BO SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF VISITS WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THROUGH THAT EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, UM, OVER 8,000. UH, AS A GENERAL RULE OF THUMB, UM, YOU, YOU START TO LOOK AT ABOUT 1,500 VISITS PER SPACE IN AN EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. WE ARE CURRENTLY A FIVE SPACE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. UM, SO, UM, WITH ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, THAT, THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT 7,500 VISITS A YEAR. AND SO WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT NUMBER START TO GET PRESSED ON. UM, AND ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO JUST POINT OUT ABOUT SEDONA MEDICAL CENTER. UM, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS TO SEDONA MEDICAL CENTER. THERE'S THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING PIECE WHERE THE CLINIC SPACE IS, AND THEN THERE'S THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AND LAB PROPER. THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AND LAB ARE, ARE INPATIENT LICENSED FACILITY. THEY'RE ACTUALLY LICENSED UNDER, UH, VERDE VALLEY MEDICAL CENTERS HOSPITAL LICENSE. SO THEY ARE INPATIENT, UM, COMPONENTS OF A HOSPITAL. THE REST OF THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING, UH, IS A, IS A REGULAR MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING OUTPATIENT CARE. AND SO THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE, UM, THERE HAS TO BE, THERE'S SOME RULES FOR HOW YOU CAN, UM, MAKE SPACE HAPPEN BETWEEN THOSE TWO. UM, AND I WON'T GET INTO TOO GREATER DETAIL, BUT THAT'S WHY THAT THAT BIG BLACK, UH, DASH BLUE LINE KEEPS MOVING IN THESE IMAGES BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SHOW THE DELINEATION BETWEEN WHAT IS INPATIENT AND OUTPATIENT. UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE, UM, IS IN THE, IN THE NEAR TERM FUTURE, THERE WILL MORE THAN LIKELY BE A DEMAND TO MAKE THAT FIVE ROOM EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT INTO A SEVEN ROOM EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, UNLESS WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOMETHING ELSE FROM A THROUGHPUT PERSPECTIVE. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THE SMALL, UH, PROCESSING LAB THAT WE HAVE ATTACHED TO THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT ALSO START TO GROW AT A SPACE. AND SO, UM, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT I THINK WE'LL BE LOOKING AT MORE, UM, NEXT YEAR LOOKING AT GROW IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT ITSELF, AND THEN GROWING, UM, THAT LAB AND STARTING TO KIND OF HAVE THE INPATIENT COMPONENT OF THAT [00:45:01] BUILDING START TO CONSUME A LITTLE BIT OF THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH DOES HAVE SOME SPACE CAPACITY, KATHY CALENDAR YEAR OR FISCAL YEAR, UH, UH, MORE THAN LIKE A CALENDAR YEAR FOR US. YEAH. RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, THIS MAY BE STATING THE OBVIOUS FROM A QUESTION PERSPECTIVE, BUT, UH, THE CITY OF SEDONA HAS HAD FEAR DURING PAST REGIMES OF WHETHER THE, UH, EMERGENCY CENTER WOULD BE HERE. UH, EVERYTHING YOU'RE SPEAKING TO SO FAR, AND I BELIEVE THE NEXT SLIDE WOULD SUGGEST, UH, THAT, UH, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD FEAR GOING FORWARD. COULD YOU SPEAK TO YOUR SENSE OF COMMITMENT TO SEDONA WITHIN THE VERDE VALLEY? YOU SHOULD NOT FEAR FOR THAT. UH, WE INTEND TO MAINTAIN THE OPERATIONS OF THE SEDONA MEDICAL CENTER. THANK YOU. GREAT. YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUTTA MY MOUTH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO MY, MY LAST SLIDE, UH, AND THEN LOOK FORWARD TO SOME QUESTIONS. UM, THE OTHER, UH, ONE OTHER COMPONENT OF THE MASTER PLAN WORK WE DID WAS, I, I WOULDN'T SAY, UM, TAKING A LOOK LONG TERM AT WHAT COULD BE DONE WITH THE PROPERTY THAT EXISTS AROUND SEDONA MEDICAL CENTER. UM, IT WAS MORE OF A KIND OF A FACT FINDING MISSION OF WHAT THE, THE CITY PLANNERS HAD ALREADY FOUGHT TO BE FOR THE WESTERN GATEWAY COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA. UM, SO I REMEMBER READING IT ABOUT A YEAR AGO. I I REFRESHED MYSELF BY READING IT THIS MORNING. UM, AND I THINK THE REALITY IS IT'S, IT'S ALREADY A, A PRETTY WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN FOR WHAT, UH, IS, WOULD BE NATURALLY MAKE SENSE TO BE CONGRUENT TO A MEDICAL CENTER. UM, AND SO I THINK THAT MIX OF, OF HOUSING AND THE MIX OF TYPES OF HOUSING, UM, ALONG WITH, UH, SOME GROWTH CAPACITY FOR HEALTHCARE. AND I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS A FINE LINE WE DRAW WHEN WE LOOK AT PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LEAVE OURSELVES THE FLEXIBILITY IN THE SPACE TO MEET OUR CORE DEMAND, WHICH IS TO TAKE CARE OF THE PATIENTS OF THE REGIONS WE SERVE, UM, BUT ALSO LOOK AT HOW WE COULD BE A, A, A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY OVERALL FOR GROWTH. AND SO THE IMAGE THAT YOU SEE, UH, TO THE RIGHT HERE IS ABOUT A YEAR OLD IMAGE THAT I DID PULL FROM OUR MASTER PLAN WORK. UM, IN ALL REALITY, IF ANY OF YOUR PLANNING, UM, FOLKS ARE IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT IT AND SAY THAT WE REALLY JUST STOLE IT FROM, UM, THE, THE CFA AS IT WAS DRAWN. AND, AND THAT IS SOME SOMEWHAT OF A REALITY. UH, WE, WE, WE DID TRY TO IMAGINE, UH, EXACTLY WHAT IT COULD BE AND, AND SHOW OPEN SPACE AND SOME GROWTH FOR HEALTHCARE. UM, BUT I THINK AS A ORGANIZATION, WE ARE, UH, WE ARE OPEN TO AND LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM, FROM CITI LEADERSHIP AND FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT THIS COULD OR SHOULD BE, UM, IN THE FUTURE. VERY GOOD. VICE MAYOR. SO RECENTLY I ATTENDED A, A MEETING OR A, AN EVENT AT A, AT SOMEONE'S HOME WHERE NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE WAS PRESENT. MM-HMM. . AND I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT, ABOUT THE CAMPUS AND THE FACT THAT SO MANY PEOPLE THAT I KNOW PERSONALLY ARE LEAVING SEDONA BECAUSE OF A LACK OF HEALTHCARE, AND ALSO FOR THE LACK OF ASSISTED LIVING. SO SOME ARE GOING TO FLAGSTAFF 'CAUSE THEY JUST OPENED A NEW FACILITY UP THERE. IT'S A COUPLE YEARS OLD, I THINK SOME ARE GOING TO THE VALLEY, SOME ARE GOING TO OTHER PLACES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE HAD A CONCEPT OF AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. AND I REALLY MEAN CONTINUUM OF CARE, UH, AT THAT CAMPUS. UH, THE SEDONA MEDICAL CENTER, IS THAT OFF THE TABLE NOW OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S STILL BEING CONSIDERED? IT IS NOT OFF THE TABLE. UH, I THINK, UH, AS STEVE REFERENCED, WE, WE, WITH THE NEW ADMINISTRATION, WE WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF THE IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED IN THE PAST AND, AND UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHY THEY WERE DETERMINED EITHER NOT TO BE GOOD IDEAS OR NOT TO GO FORWARD. UM, THEY COULD HAVE BEEN GREAT IDEAS AND JUST, WE MADE A DECISION NOT TO GO FORWARD. SO WE'RE REVISITING A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, UH, HISTORY POST-ACUTE CARE IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US, UM, FROM A, A, A VARIETY OF PERSPECTIVES. ONE IS THAT WE'RE IN THE FORTUNATE POSITION, UM, IN TERMS OF MEETING COMMUNITY NEED THAT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, OUR, UM, OUR, OUR ACUTE CARE SPACE AT VERDE VALLEY MEDICAL CENTER IS FULL, UH, PARTICULARLY DURING THE WINTERS. UM, UH, ONE OF THE FIRST DECISIONS I MADE IN DECEMBER OF 2023 AFTER I GOT HERE, WAS TO EXPAND THE HOSPITALIST SERVICE SO THAT WE COULD OPEN UP ANOTHER 15 BEDS, UM, UH, AND BE AVAILABLE FOR THE, FOR THE COMMUNITY. WHAT WE STRUGGLE WITH IS FINDING A PLACE FOR THOSE PATIENTS WHO AREN'T READY TO GO HOME AND NEED SOME SORT OF ASSISTIVE LIVING, WHETHER THAT'S SKILLED NURSING FACILITY, INPATIENT [00:50:01] REHAB, UH, OR EVEN GETTING ON THAT CONTINUUM OF CARE. UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WASN'T A HORRIBLE IDEA TO HAVE A HOSPICE, UH, HOUSE. IN FACT, WE HAD ONE MM-HMM. , UM, UH, THAT IS NO LONGER OPERATIONAL. AND SO WE'RE REVISITING ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS, UH, TO, TO HAVE A LOOK AT THAT AND HAVE NO IDEA WHERE IT MIGHT LAND. AND THIS SPACE IN SEDONA MIGHT BE A PERFECTLY GOOD PLACE FOR THAT. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. UH, BEDS, YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT 15 MM-HMM. OPENING 15 BEDS, OFTEN THERE'S NO SPACE IN, IN COTTONWOOD OR IN FLAG STAFF AND PE PATIENTS. MM-HMM. . IN FACT, SOMEBODY TOLD ME RECENTLY, I THINK IT WAS ONE OF YOUR FOLKS THAT YOU'RE TAKING PE YOU'RE TAKING PATIENTS TO TUCSON, EVEN PAST PHOENIX, BECAUSE PHOENIX IS FULL, AND I KNOW WE'RE STRUGGLING STATEWIDE, NA NATIONWIDE, UH, AND THE HOSPITAL, UNFORTUNATELY, THE THE PLAN CORRECT. GOT OVERTURNED. SO WHAT ARE YOU, HOW ARE YOU GONNA EXPAND SO THAT THERE IS MORE SPACE SOMEWHERE IN OUR REGION? SO, JUST A QUICK STORY FOR YOU. UM, THE FIRST WEEK OF NOVEMBER WAS THE WEEK THAT I HAPPENED TO COME INTERVIEW HERE FOR THE JOB OF CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER. AND I'M SITTING IN THE AIRPORT AND I GET A GOOGLE ALERT THAT SAYS THAT THE PROPOSITION FAILED. AND I ASKED MYSELF, OOH, HOW'S THIS GONNA GO? UM, AND UH, WHAT I WAS VERY PLEASED TO HEAR WHEN I GOT HERE IS, UH, THAT WE HAVE A PLAN B, C, D, E, AND F. UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE WE'RE GONNA PICK YET. FRANKLY, WE'RE IN A COOLING OFF PERIOD TO, TO GET OVER THE, UM, UH, NOT JUST OUR ANGST ABOUT IT, NOT GOING THROUGH, BUT ALSO TO HIT A RESET BUTTON AS TO WHAT THAT NEW CAMPUS MIGHT LOOK LIKE WITHOUT A WELLNESS CENTER FOCUSED ON MEETING THE ACUTE CARE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. UH, AND SO, UM, A A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE BEST WAY TO CREATE CAPACITY IN ANY ENVIRONMENT, FIRST AND FOREMOST, IS TO MANAGE YOUR PATIENT FLOW AND MANAGE YOUR LENGTH OF STAY. WE'VE REDUCED OUR LENGTH OF STAY AT FLAGSTAFF MEDICAL BY 17%, UM, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU'VE GOT CAPACITY FOR ABOUT ANOTHER SEVEN AND A HALF TO 8% PATIENTS EVERY DAY, UH, IN THE ENVIRONMENT. SO WE'RE MANAGING IT THAT WAY. WHILE WE CAN, WE STILL HAVE ROOM TO GROW, UH, WE'RE AT OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT OF WHAT WE WOULD CALL AN EXPECTED LENGTH OF STAY. PART OF THAT'S ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF THE POST-ACUTE CARE ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE TO DISCHARGE, PLACES TO DISCHARGE PEOPLE TO. UH, BUT WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT, UH, IN TERMS OF, UM, UH, VERDE VALLEY. UH, AND IT'S, SO WE, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO IMMEDIATELY TO THE FLAGSTAFF CAMPUS TO CREATE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY. SO WE HAVE TO MANAGE OUR OPERATIONS TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. UM, WHICH IS WHAT PART OF THE REASON THEY BROUGHT ME HERE, UH, WAS, WAS TO DO THAT AND TO HELP LEAD THE EFFORT. UM, THAT WAS ALREADY WELL UNDERWAY. GREAT TEAM HERE THAT I INHERITED, UH, AT THE VERDE VALLEY CAMPUS. UM, WE'RE FORTUNATE, UM, IN THAT, UM, UH, WE ALSO HAVE GREAT TEAMS THERE. UH, AND WE ARE BUMPING UP IN THE WINTER AGAINST, UM, UH, AGAINST CAPACITY AS WELL. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS TO BUILD ON THAT CAMPUS, THOUGH. WE DO HAVE A THIRD FLOOR THAT IS SHELLED THAT WE COULD ACTIVATE INTO INPATIENT BEDS WHEN WE NEED TO. WE WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH AN EXERCISE AND, QUITE FRANKLY, FIND A LOT OF STORAGE SPACE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S BECOME . UH, BUT THAT BEING SAID, WE DO HAVE THE CAPACITY TO GROW, AND WE'RE CONTINUALLY MONITORING THAT. YOU WILL HEAR OVER THE COURSE, PROBABLY OF THE NEXT 6, 9, 12 MONTHS ABOUT, UM, OUR EFFORTS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AND NEEDS IN A NEW HOSPITAL. AND FLAGSTAFF, WHILE WE DO HAVE A DESIGN, IT'S NOT SET A HUNDRED PERCENT IN STONE. UM, AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND RE-LOOK AT THE CAPACITY THAT, UH, HAS HAPPENED SINCE WE DID THAT ORIGINAL, UH, ORIGINAL PLANNING. UH, SO WE'RE CONTINUALLY FOCUSED ON, ON MEETING, UH, MEETING CAPACITY NEEDS. UH, I WILL TELL YOU THAT SOME OF THE REASONS THAT YOU SEE THOSE TRANSFERS GOING TO SAY TUCSON AS AN EXAMPLE, IS BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A SPECIALIST THAT WE DON'T YET HAVE HERE IN NORTHERN ARIZONA. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON AS WELL AS IN OUR RECRUITMENT, SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY KEEP PATIENTS HERE. UM, AND IF YOU HAVE CONSISTENCY IN YOUR PHYSICIAN AND PROVIDER COMPLIMENT, UM, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE EFFICIENT OPERATIONS BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO TAKE CARE OF PATIENTS IN A REGULAR FASHION. AND THAT WILL HELP REDUCE THE LENGTH OF STATE TO CREATE CAPACITY AS WELL. THE ONE PLACE WHERE WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE CAPACITY IS IN CRITICAL CARE, UM, UH, IT'S GENERAL ACUTE CARE WHERE WE STRUGGLE RIGHT NOW. AND I'LL, I'LL JUST ADD IN. UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UM, SPACE AND FLEXIBILITY IN A HEALTHCARE ENVIRONMENT, WE, WE TALK ABOUT BEDS A LOT BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A DRIVER OF SPACE. UM, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW A HOSPITAL FUNCTIONS, THERE'S EVERY BED DERIVES SOMETHING ELSE, RIGHT? THERE'S A RATIO OF, UH, AMOUNT OF OPERATING ROOMS TO BEDS, AMOUNT OF ED BAYS TO BEDS. AND SO THE WHOLE THING HAS TO GROW AT ONCE. UM, AND, AND TO, TO BO'S POINT ABOUT THE THIRD FLOOR, HAVING CAPACITY TO GROW AND, AND RATHER QUICKLY WHEN, WHEN THE NUMBERS ARE THERE TO, TO SAY THAT, THAT WE NEED TO TRIGGER THAT, I, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY GET, AT MINIMUM, [00:55:01] ABOUT 20 INPATIENT BEDS ON THAT THIRD FLOOR. UM, WE ALSO, WHAT WHAT VERDE'S ALSO BLESSED WITH IS, UH, GROWTH, UM, PLANNED GROWTH FOR SURGICAL DEPARTMENT FOR PRE AND POST FOR SURGERY. UM, AND WITH SOME OF THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE PLAN ON MAKING IN THE ED IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, WE NOT ONLY HAVE THAT CAPACITY ON AN INPATIENT BED PERSPECTIVE, BUT WE HAVE THE SUPPORT NETWORK THAT YOU NEED TO, TO HAVE THOSE BEDS GROW. SO WHAT TIMEFRAME ARE YOU LOOKING AT? OH, I, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY, I DON'T THINK I CAN GIVE YOU AN ANSWER TO THAT RIGHT NOW. UH, I WILL TELL YOU THAT FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, WE STILL HAVE CAPACITY AT VERDE VALLEY MEDICAL CENTER. UM, UH, IT, IT, IT MAY BE AT CAPACITY ON A THURSDAY AFTERNOON AT THREE O'CLOCK. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE MODE, UH, IN THE MEDIAN, WE DO TYPICALLY HAVE CAPACITY. UM, AND, UH, SO I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO VENTURE A GUESS, UH, ALONG THOSE LINES, BUT KNOW THAT WE LOOK AT THE DATA EVERY DAY. I ACTUALLY GET A TRANSFER REPORT EVERY DAY. THE NUMBER OF TRANSFERS IS ACTUALLY GOING DOWN, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY FLYING OVER FLAGSTAFF TO BRING PATIENTS TO VERDE NOW, UM, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME CAPACITY HERE WITH THE ADDITION OF THE FOURTH HOSPITALIST TEAM AND THE SPECIALIST THAT WE'VE GOT. ONE MORE QUESTION. UH, GUARDIAN AIR, IS THAT ALL RESOLVED NOW? ARE THEY FULLY FUNCTIONAL? YES. I, UM, SO WE HAVE EIGHT HELICOPTERS, UM, UH, WITH GUARDIAN AIR, A BASE IN COTTONWOOD. UM, AND AT LEAST SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR, WE HAVE BEEN FULLY FUNCTIONAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. NOW, ARE THERE TIMES WHEN WE CAN'T FLY DUE TO WEATHER, UH, AND TO EQUIPMENT MALFUNCTIONS OR PILOTS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE? ABSOLUTELY. BUT THOSE ARE NORMAL COURSE OF OPERATIONS THINGS THAT WE TYPICALLY GET THROUGH IN LESS THAN 12 TO 24 HOURS. YOU GOOD, BRIAN? THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, FIRST OFF, THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND, UH, I, I THINK IT'S VERY EXCITING TO HEAR ABOUT THIS UPDATE AND THE PROGRESS THAT YOU'RE MAKING. SO THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. KEEP WHIPPING THE HORSE, RIGHT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY MORE, UH, PRIMARY CARE DOCS YOU'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BRING IN. AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO PREDICT AT WHAT PACE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY RECRUIT AND BRING IN, BUT IF YOU COULD HAVE YOUR WAY, NOT IF YOU HAVE YOUR WAY REALISTICALLY, , HOW SOON DO YOU THINK YOU COULD BRING UP THAT NUMBER OF PRIMARY CARE DOCS TO WHERE YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE IT? I WOULD SAY IT'S A TWO TO THREE YEAR PROCESS, UH, TO DO THAT. UM, AND, UH, UH, PART OF THAT IS A FUNCTION. UH, AGAIN, AS STEVE SAID, ALL OF THIS IS RELATED. UH, AND SO PROVIDERS WANT TO COME TO A COMMUNITY WHERE THEY, UH, ONE WILL BE WELL RECEIVED AND KNOW THAT THERE'S ENOUGH ACTIVITY, BUT TWO, KNOW THAT THEY HAVE SPECIALISTS TO REFER THEIR PATIENTS TO. UM, AND SO WE'RE DOING THESE TWO THINGS IN TANDEM. UH, AND, UM, I THINK, UH, ONE DEFINITELY PLAYS OFF OF THE OTHER. SO AS WE FILL OUT OUR SPECIALTY COMPLEMENT, WE WILL BE ABLE TO, UM, ACCELERATE OUR PRIMARY CARE RECRUITMENT AS WELL. UH, AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING THAT WE'VE DONE, WE ACTUALLY EXPANDED THE SIZE OF OUR RESIDENCY PROGRAM FROM FIVE PER YEAR TO SIX PER YEAR. SO WE HAVE 18 RESIDENTS GRADUATING SIX EVERY YEAR. UM, THAT, UH, WE'RE WORKING ON HOW IT IS THAT WE ACTUALLY TAP INTO THAT PIPELINE AS THEY'RE BEING RECRUITED. WE'LL PAY FOR YOUR LIVING EXPENSES, AS AN EXAMPLE, FOR A PERIOD OF TIME DURING YOUR RESIDENCY IF YOU COMMIT TO STAY HERE AND BE A PRIMARY CARE PROVIDER. UH, AND SO WE'RE WORKING ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE REALLY IN THE PAST, BUT OUR, OUR CONCEPTS THAT WE'RE BRINGING TO THE TABLE. GREAT. THANK YOU. WELCOME. AND, UH, I'M PARTICULARLY, UH, GRATEFUL FOR SLIDE 12 THAT YOU, UH, BROUGHT THAT, THAT'S I THINK, ONE BACK FROM, YEAH, THAT ONE. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT. MM-HMM, . UM, SO YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF TIMELINES INCLUDING 20, FISCAL 25, OR CALENDAR 25. WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO WORKING ON THIS PLAN OF, OF BREAKING GROUND, GETTING SOME HOUSING BUILT? WHAT, HOW FAST ARE YOU GUYS WILLING TO MOVE ON THAT? SO, SO BREAKING GROUND, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE YET. AND HOW LONG THAT PERMITTING PROCESS, ET CETERA TAKES, OR EVEN JUST TO GET THE RESOURCES TO, TO DO IT, THE CONSTRUCTION RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO DO IT, UH, FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE. WE'RE READY TO START. UM, UH, AND WE'RE, AND WE'RE GLAD THAT YOU ALL STARTED THE CONVERSATION WITH DAVE. UH, WE'RE READY TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION, UH, AS SOON AS YOU'RE READY. OKAY. BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A MASTER PLANNING PROCESS ON THE FORMER CULTURAL PARK PROPERTY THAT IS ESSENTIALLY ADJACENT TO THIS. SO THE TIMING IS PERFECT. SURE. TO BE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT HOW YOU, WE WOULD IDEALLY LIKE TO USE THAT LAND ALONG WITH THE OTHER. SO. SURE. UM, ONE, ONE THING THAT WE DIDN'T MENTION IS, UM, UH, WE ARE, UH, WORKING ON, AND WE'LL BE TAKING TO THE BOARD, UH, AND A, UM, A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND THEN ULTIMATE FINAL APPROVAL FOR, UM, UH, A CANCER CENTER, UH, COMPONENT OF, OF OUR HEALTHCARE HERE IN [01:00:01] THE VERDE VALLEY, SEDONA, CAMP VERDE, ET CETERA. UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY REVIEWING DATA RIGHT NOW TO DETERMINE WHERE THAT MIGHT BEST GO IN ORDER TO MEET PATIENT NEED. UM, AND SO THAT WILL HELP GUIDE A PORTION OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS AS WELL. DOES IT STAY ON THE SEDONA MEDICAL CENTER CAMPUS WHERE WE HAVE AN ONCOLOGY PRESENCE TODAY? DO WE CONSOLIDATE THOSE TO COTTONWOOD? DO WE CONSOLIDATE THAT TO SEDONA? WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, BUT WE CAN DO THAT IN PARALLEL TRACK TO THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT LIKE TO HAVE. ALRIGHT. LET'S KEEP TALKING. MM-HMM. . THANK YOU, BRADLEY. THANK YOU MAYOR. PETE, BEFORE YOU GO, BUT JUST TO UH, ADD ON TO THE WHAT, UH, COUNCILOR FOLTZ SAYS. BEFORE YOU LEAVE, EITHER CONTACT ME, I HAVE YOUR NUMBERS, BUT IF YOU WANNA TALK WITH OUR CITY MANAGER, MAYBE YOU COULD COORDINATE SO WE, WE CAN HAVE YOUR INPUT DURING OUR, UH, WESTERN GATEWAY DISCUSSION. WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING A YEAR OR MORE OUTREACH, AND WE WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE YOUR INPUT AND TO SHARE AND WORK TOGETHER, UH, ON A DISCUSSION. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD, WHO? OH, YEAH. STEVE, STEVE ES DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE, UH, NORTHERN, NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE IS ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS ON OUR LIST THAT WE WILL BE CONTACTING OUR CON CONSULTANT. UH, WE'LL BE CONTACTING YOU AS A PART OF THIS WHOLE MASTER PLAN PROCESS. GREAT. WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT. YEAH, THANKS. AND YOU COULD REACH OUT DIRECTLY TO ME AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK. I'LL HAVE MY TEAM PARTICIPATE. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. STEVE, YOU HAVE HIS NUMBER? IF NOT, I HAVE IT. I WILL GET IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. AND I TOO WANNA THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, FOR BEING HERE AND HAVING A PUBLIC CONVERSATION ABOUT KIND OF THE STATUS OF NAH. IT'S CERTAINLY BEEN AN ITEM OF SIGNIFICANT INTEREST AND CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY, AND, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THESE PUBLIC DIALOGUES. SO I APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR PRESENCE. MY QUESTION REALLY FOLLOWS UP AGAIN ON WHAT THE COUNCILOR FOLTZ AND THE MAYOR MENTIONED ABOUT THE SEDONA CAMPUS. AND THE QUESTION I WANT TO ASK IS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR EMPLOYEE HOUSING. I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT INCORRECT, THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION MADE SOME KIND OF STATEMENT THAT THEY DIDN'T THINK EMPLOYEES WOULD BE INTERESTED IN LIVING CLOSE TO THEIR PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT. WE DISCUSSED THAT, AND I'M CURIOUS WHETHER THAT'S THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION'S VIEWPOINT OR, BUT MORE GENERALLY, HOW YOU THINK OF HOUSING EMPLOYEES AND WHETHER THERE'S A ROLE FOR HOUSING OF EMPLOYEES IN THE SEDONA CAMPUS LIKE MAYOR. SO, SO I THINK, UM, UH, FOR, UH, THE QUICK ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS WE'RE OPEN TO, UM, TO ANYTHING, UH, UH, CONTINUED SPECIFIC TO YOUR, TO YOUR INQUIRY. I'M NOT SURE WE SHARE THE SAME FEELING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT EMPLOYEES WOULD LIKE TO LIVE CLOSE TO WORK OR FAR TO WORK. UM, THAT'S UP TO AN INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. NOT FOR US TO GUESS. UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'RE IN THE HEALTHCARE DELIVERY BUSINESS, NOT NECESSARILY THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS. UM, AND SO IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, IT WOULD BE A PARTNERSHIP OF SOME SORT, MORE THAN LIKELY, UM, THAT, UH, WE WOULD WORK DILIGENTLY AND IF NECESSARY AND HELPFUL TO ATTRACT EMPLOYEES AND RETAIN EMPLOYEES. IF THERE WERE A NEED FOR US TO SUBSIDIZE THAT, IT WOULD BE GREAT. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO TURN IT INTO IS HOGUE MEMORIAL HOSPITAL IN SANTA BARBARA THAT ESSENTIALLY WENT BANKRUPT AFTER IT BUILT 13 APARTMENT BUILDINGS. UH, NOT THAT MANY, SORRY, THREE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, EACH OF THEM 13 STORIES, UH, TO HOUSE EMPLOYEES. UM, WE DON'T WANNA WALK INTO THAT TRAP, UM, UH, AS IT WERE, KNOWING THAT OTHERS HAVE, HAVE FAILED. UM, THAT BEING SAID, ARE WE OPEN TO IT? AND ARE WE WILLING TO DO THAT? ABSOLUTELY. IN FACT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT GROWING ANOTHER ONE OF OUR RESIDENCY PROGRAMS AND, UM, STEVE'S ENGAGED IN FINDING HOUSING CLOSE TO THE HOSPITAL FOR THOSE FOLKS DOWN AT VERDE VALLEY. AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHARE THAT PERSPECTIVE. UM, AND WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO CONTEMPLATE, UM, FILLING ANYTHING UP THAT, THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PARTNER ON WITH SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES. THANK YOU. YOU GOOD, PETE? YEP. SO JUST MELISSA, YOU HAVE SOMETHING JUST TO TAKE JUST FIRST? OH, I'M SORRY. YES, YOU DID. I JUST HAD A CALL. OKAY. GO AHEAD. OKAY. I THINK THIS IS LIKE A BREATH OF FRESH AIR. YEAH. YOU'RE COMING HERE. IT'S BEEN A LONG STANDING ISSUE WITH, UH, KIND OF, I MEAN, I'M PARTICULARLY HAPPY TO SEE A DEVELOPMENT GUY AT THE FACILITIES AND ALL OF THAT, AND A STATED WILDERNESS. WE WERE, WHAT WE GOT FROM PRIOR BRIEFINGS WAS BASICALLY A LOT OF BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, AND, UM, PRETTY NON-COMMITTAL COMMITTALS. AND SO, AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A 10 YEAR PLAN THAT IS FAIRLY RECENT THAT YOU, AND, UM, I MEAN, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR, FOR, I WANNA THANK NAH ACTUALLY FOR APPARENTLY MAKING A CHANGE IN RESPONSE TO THE RESIDENTS IN THE VERDE VALLEY AND BRINGING PEOPLE ON BOARD WHO APPEAR TO, [01:05:01] I'M WAITING FOR STUFF TO HAPPEN, BUT I MEAN, A LOT OF MONEY'S BEEN SPENT ON THIS PLANNING FOR THE, FOR THE SEDONA CAMPUS AND ALL OF THAT. SO IT APPEARS THAT, THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. AND I THINK FOR ME, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. WE EXIST TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS, UM, AND WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MEET THOSE. ARE THERE TIMES WHEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SAY NO, THAT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, PERHAPS? UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE SHOULD BE OPEN TO DIALOGUE IN ANY IDEAS. I DON'T LIVE HERE FULL TIME NOW. I'M HERE TWO TO THREE DAYS A WEEK, AND I'M ACTUALLY RECRUITING A VICE PRESIDENT WHO WILL BE ON THIS CAMPUS. WOW. UH, ALL THE TIME. UM, UH, I GOT MY FIRST ROUND OF RESUMES LAST WEEK ACTUALLY, AND WE'LL, UH, STARTED SCREENING LAST WEEK. UH, AND SO, UM, UH, UH, WE'RE HERE TO STAY. NAH IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE AS LONG AS IT'S SEDONA, WE ARE HAPPY. AND I COULD JUST LET YOU KNOW, BO, THAT WE WOULD NEVER BE LOOKING FOR 13 STORIES OF ANYTHING. I UNDERSTAND. I'VE COME TO APPRECIATE THAT LIVING IN NORTHERN ARIZONA, THAT, UH, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. I'M GLAD YOU SPECIFIED THAT, SCOTT, BECAUSE WE HAVE A REPORTER. YEAH, I KNOW, RIGHT? SO, UH, MELISSA, I, SO THANK YOU. AND, UM, I'M GONNA MAYBE CHANGE THE TOPIC JUST A LITTLE BIT. SO I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT ONE OF THE WAYS YOU SORT OF FREE UP BEDS IS TO KEEP PEOPLE HEALTHY. MM-HMM. . UM, AND SO WELLNESS IS A FOCUS, TYPICALLY OF THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY. AND, UM, AS A MEMBER OF COUNCIL, FOR ME, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT THE HEALTH AND THE WELFARE OF QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE WITHIN MY COMMUNITY. AND WE HAVE, LATELY, I THINK ALL OF US HAVE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS AROUND, UM, HEALTH, UH, AND QUALITY OF LIFE THROUGH HEALTH, UM, THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY. AND THIS IS ALL A LEAD UP TO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY WHO'S LIKE AN EPIDEMIOLOGIST ON STAFF. UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE WHO SPECIALIZES IN HEALTH AND PSYCHOLOGY, WHICH IS THE PERCEPTION OF HOW HEALTHY YOU ARE. UM, AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'VE EVER DONE ANY OF THAT OR WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH US AS A CITY, UM, AROUND TRYING TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITY WHERE THOSE ISSUES ARE, WHETHER THEY'RE EPIDEMIOLOGICAL, MEANING THEY'RE REAL PHYSICAL ISSUES THAT ARE EXISTING, ARE THEY CLUSTER, THAT SORT OF THING. AND WHERE THE PERCEPTION IS, WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD SOLVE ANY OF THAT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING. BUT TO HAVE SORT OF A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERTS IN UNDERSTANDING AND GATHERING THE DATA AND UNDERSTANDING THE DATA, I THINK WOULD BE REALLY OF INTEREST. UM, I KNOW TO ME, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT TO THE OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, BUT I KNOW ALSO TO OUR, OUR BROADER COMMUNITY. SO, UM, I THINK A, A GREAT, UH, A VERY GOOD QUESTION. SO, UH, AS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT HEALTHCARE PROVIDER, WE ARE OBLIGATED AND IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO, WHETHER WE'RE OBLIGATED OR NOT TO COMPLETE A COMMUNITY HEALTH NEEDS ASSESSMENT EVERY THREE YEARS. IN FACT, YOU CAN GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND FIND THAT COMMUNITY HEALTH NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT UTILIZE DATA TO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL DATA TO PRIORITIZE, UM, UH, REALLY THREE THINGS THAT ARE OF, THAT WE KNOW ARE OF IMPORTANCE TO THIS COMMUNITY. ONE IS ACCESS TO CARE, A LOT OF IT BEING PRIMARY CARE. UM, UH, THE SECOND IS CHRONIC CONDITION, CHRONIC CONDITIONS, AND THE THIRD IS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH. NOW, THERE ARE 17 OTHER THINGS BEHIND THAT. THOSE ARE JUST THE THREE THAT WE HAPPEN TO HIGHLIGHT IN THE FIRST 10 PAGES OF THAT REPORT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S DATA BEHIND THAT. WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING READY TO EMBARK UPON A REDO OF THAT COMMUNITY HEALTH NEEDS ASSESSMENT. UM, AND, UH, I'LL COMMIT TO YOU, UH, THAT WE WILL SEEK THE INPUT OF THE ADMINISTRATION OF SEDONA, UH, AS WE, AS WE WORK THROUGH THAT, UH, THROUGH A PORTION OF THE FOCUS GROUPS THAT WE, THAT WE COLLABORATE AS WELL. UM, AND, UH, I'M, UH, VERY, UH, WELL AWARE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF EPIDEMIOLOGY DRIVING THOSE DECISIONS. MY DOCTORATE IS IN PUBLIC HEALTH, UM, UH, WITH A MAJOR FOCUS IN HEALTH ECONOMICS AND EPIDEMIOLOGY. UH, THAT'S HOW WE SHOULD BE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT THE, AS AN EXAMPLE, THE COMPLEXION OF OUR MEDICAL STAFF LOOKS LIKE. LET'S NOT RECRUIT THINGS TO MAKE MONEY. LET'S RECRUIT THINGS TO TAKE CARE OF THE COMMUNITY. IF YOU TAKE CARE OF THE COMMUNITY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE RESOURCES COMING IN THAT YOU NEED TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY. ANOTHER KEY COMPONENT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING ALONG THOSE LINES AROUND HEALTH, UM, AND, UH, IS, UH, WE ACTUALLY HIRED OUR FIRST DIRECTOR, UH, OF POPULATION HEALTH. UM, UH, AT NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE WAS A PERSON INSIDE OF THE ORGANIZATION WHO'S VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. BUT IN ADVANCE OF THAT, WE HAD A HEALTH EQUITY EFFORT UNDERWAY TO LOOK AT THE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH. YOU KNOW, YOU MAY BE SICK BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE FOOD. YOU MAY BE SICK BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION TO GET TO THE DOCTOR. YOU MAY BE SICK, UM, UH, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE HEAT IN THE WINTER. UM, THERE'S ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, UH, THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. AND SO TO, TO BE HONEST, THAT'S FRESH AND NEW FOR US. IT'S NOT FRESH AND NEW FOR HEALTHCARE IN GENERAL. UM, [01:10:01] AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO ADOPT AND ADAPT FROM WHAT OTHERS HAVE DONE. IN FACT, ONE OF THE COM, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS AT THE CONFERENCE THAT DAVE IS GOING TO, UH, IS ABOUT SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH. UM, AND SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST DIPPING OUR TOES INTO THAT WORK. WE HAVE A BASIC UNDERSTANDING, MORE THAN A BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT, UH, OUR PATIENT POPULATION LOOKS LIKE AND BY ZIP CODE, WHAT SOME OF THE ECONOMIC NEEDS ARE, SOME OF THE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS, SOME OF THE FOOD DESERTS THAT EXIST, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AND WE WILL BE USING THAT TO DRIVE THAT COMMUNITY HEALTH NEEDS ASSESSMENT, UM, AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN PARTNER WITH PEOPLE TO GET OUTSIDE OF THE FOUR WALLS OF THE HOSPITAL. I WILL TELL YOU, WE'RE REALLY GOOD AT RUNNING CLINICS AND REALLY GOOD AT RUNNING EMERGENCY ROOMS, AND REALLY GOOD AT RUNNING HOSPITALS. ARE WE GREAT AT BEING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND HELPING MEET COMMUNITY NEEDS? PROBABLY NOT AS GOOD AS OTHERS ARE. AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO SEEK SOME PARTNERSHIP TO DO THAT, AND WE INTEND TO DO SO. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR ADDRESS IT? UH, WELL, YES. UH, OF COURSE. UM, WE DO HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS IN OUR COMMUNITY AS YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST, UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOCIAL DETERMINANTS, WE ALSO HAVE THE FACT THAT WE ARE EXPOSED A LOT TO, UH, FOREST FIRE. MM-HMM. POLLUTANTS. YES. UM, WE ARE A, UH, HIGH DESERT AREA. WE HAVE A LOT OF TOURISM. THERE ARE OTHER POLLUTANTS IN OUR AIR, UM, THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. BUT IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR US AS A COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT'S GOING ON, WHERE THOSE SORTS OF THINGS ARE HAPPENING, AND THEN WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE PROGRAMS THAT WE CAN, WE CAN EITHER INSTITUTE AS A CITY OR INSTITUTE WITH THE HELP OF NAH OR OTHER PARTNERS THAT CAN IMPROVE THE HEALTH AND THE, UM, QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT WOULD KEEP THEM OUT OF YOUR EMERGENCY ROOM AND KEEP THEM OUT OF YOUR HOSPITAL. THEY WILL STILL NEED PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIANS. SO I'M NOT LETTING YOU OFF THE HOOK FOR THAT ED, AND WE DON'T INTEND TO GET OFF THE HOOK VICE MAYOR, THEN I'LL BE GOING, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON. A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, A GROUP OF RESIDENTS PUT TOGETHER A WORKING GROUP ON A NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR THE VERDE VALLEY. AND, UH, THAT GROUP CONSISTED OF LAY PEOPLE AND ALSO MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS. MM-HMM. . AND IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE THEN ADMINISTRATION. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT, OR HAVE YOU HEARD THAT IT EXISTS? YES, I'VE SEEN IT AND READ IT ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, CERTIFICATIONS. YES. I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A CERTIFICATION LOST, UH, A WHILE AGO FOR, UH, BREAST CANCER. CORRECT. WOULD THAT BE, IS IT, TO BRING THAT BACK A NEED? IS THERE A NEED FOR THAT TO COME BACK? SO THE, WHAT'S YOUR INTENTION? SO THE, THE QUICK ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS, YES, WE ARE GOING TO RE PURSUE THAT, UM, UH, CERTIFICATION. IT'S A CERTIFICATION BY THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF SURGEONS, UH, COMMISSION ON CANCER, UM, FOR THAT ACCREDITS, UH, UH, BREAST CENTERS. UM, AND SO, UH, WHEN YOU FAIL IN RETAINING OR OBTAINING THAT, UH, CERTIFICATION, THERE IS A, UM, UH, UH, I DUNNO, A SIDELINE PERIOD, UH, DURING WHICH YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RIGHT THE WRONGS THAT PUT YOU IN A POSITION OF LOSING THAT. AND SO WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT RIGHT NOW. WE WILL BE MAKING REAPPLICATION FOR THAT, UM, UM, UH, ACCREDITATION. I WILL TELL YOU THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, AND I HAVE WORKED AT THREE, UH, NCI, UH, DESIGNATED COMPREHENSIVE CANCER CENTERS, NONE OF THEM SOUGHT THAT C SPECIFIC CERTIFICATION BECAUSE IT DIDN'T CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE PROVIDED CARE. UM, IT IS A WAY TO MEASURE YOURSELF AND AN IMPORTANT ONE, A PLACE THAT YOU CAN SUBMIT DATA AND BENCHMARK YOURSELVES, UH, UH, UH, FROM A PERFORMANCE AND ACCESS PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S WHY WE SEE VALUE IN IT, IS BECAUSE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, UH, TO SHARE INFORMATION AND USE THAT INFORMATION TO IMPROVE. THAT BEING SAID, WE ANTICIPATE, UM, UH, APPLYING FOR RECERTIFICATION SOMETIME, UH, EITHER AT THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR OR THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT CALENDAR YEAR. THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. UH, I KNOW THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION, UH, THEY WERE WILLING TO HIRE BREAST, UH, SURGEONS OR BREAST PROFESSIONALS THAT WERE NOT BOARD CERTIFIED OR FELLOWSHIP TRAINED. MM-HMM. , IS THAT A POLICY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PURSUE, YOU'RE GOING TO BRING BACK, OR THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IN TO WHEN YOU CREATE, RECREATE THE BREAST CENTER? WILL THEY BE, WILL THEY HAVE THOSE TRAININGS? THEY'RE ALREADY HERE. UM, SO, UH, JONES KAVANAUGH IS A FELLOWSHIP TRAINED, UH, BREAST IMAGING, UM, UH, PROFESSIONAL PROVIDER RADIOLOGIST. UM, AND THEN DR. KATE PRESTON, UM, IS, UH, WORKING AT THE BREAST CENTER. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU AND TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER SHE IS FELLOWSHIP TRAINED OR NOT, BUT HER CLINICAL OUTCOMES ARE FANTASTIC. UM, AND, UM, THE, UH, THERE ARE PROBABLY MORE GENERAL SURGEONS PRACTICING [01:15:01] BREAST SURGERY IN THE UNITED STATES, UH, THAN THERE ARE FELLOWSHIP TRAINED BREAST SURGEONS. UM, AND THEY DO, UH, IN LARGE PART EQUALLY AS GOOD A JOB. BUT THEY'RE BOARD CERTIFIED? YES, THEY ARE BOARD CERTIFIED. OKAY. YES. NONE OF OUR PHYSICIANS WHO ARE ON OUR MEDICAL STAFFS ARE EITHER THAT, THAT YOU MUST BE BOARD ELIGIBLE OR BOARD CERTIFIED, UH, IN ORDER TO, IN ORDER TO PRACTICE. THAT'S SO INCREDIBLE. AND DR. PRESTON IS BOARD CERTIFIED IN GENERAL SURGERY. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, TELL YOU, I DO NOT KNOW IF SHE'S BOARD CERTIFIED IN BREAST SURGERY. OKAY. WELL, THIS IS A COMPLETE BREATH OF FRESH AIR. AS COUNCIL WILLIAMSON SAID, WE WERE NOT LOOKING VERY PROMISING IN THE VERDE VALLEY. YOU, YOU BOTH ARE AWARE OF THAT. MM-HMM. TO HAVE THIS LIST OF TWO PAGES, UH, LONG OF NEW DOCTORS TO COME IN, COME BACK HERE. MAYBE THAT'LL INSPIRE PEOPLE TO WANNA STAY IN OUR COMMUNITY AND NOT HAVE TO LEAVE, ESPECIALLY AS OUR RESIDENTS, UH, ADVANCE IN AGE. UH, NOT ME. OF COURSE, I'M GONNA STAY NICE AND YOUNG, BUT, UH, THEY, I MEAN, WE, WE ALL KNOW PEOPLE, FRIENDS OF OURS THAT HAVE LEFT BECAUSE A LOT, A LOT. MM-HMM. BECAUSE, UH, A LOT OF THESE, UH, POSITIONS WEREN'T FILLED. AND THIS IS REALLY, REALLY EXCITING. WE HOPE TO BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF STEMMING THAT TIDE. AND WE CAN'T DO IT ON OUR OWN, BUT WE'LL DO IT, DEFINITELY DO IT IN PARTNERSHIP. BUT JUST, YOU'VE MENTIONED PARTNERSHIP QUITE A FEW TIMES THAT WAS NEVER MENTIONED IN THE PAST. GOT IT. SO THAT'S REALLY EXCITING. GREAT. ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK OF US BEFORE WE GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM? I ANSWER THE PHONE WHEN WE CALL AND HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT WE SAID HERE TONIGHT. UM, OH, WE'LL DO THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S . WE DO THAT REALLY WELL. PLEASE DO. WE GET BUSY AND SOMETIMES WE FORGET THINGS. UM, BUT, UH, OUR COMMITMENT IS TO MEET THE HEALTHCARE NEEDS OF THIS COMMUNITY. UH, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN OR SHOULD BE DOING TO DO THAT BETTER, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT IT. I CAN'T SOLVE PROBLEMS I DON'T KNOW ABOUT. SO PLEASE TELL US, UH, MY JOB IN LIFE IS TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. AND THAT STEVE'S JOB IN LIFE IS TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. UH, AND, AND WE'D LIKE TO DO THAT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM. WHEN YOU DO HIRE AND YOU HAVE A, A NEW, UH, UH, POSITION FILLED FOR THE VERDE VALLEY, YOU SAID THAT WOULD YES. BE, UH, UH, BE LIVING HERE YES. AND WORKING HERE. MM-HMM. , HAVE THEM CONTACT ANY OF THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS MYSELF. MAYBE THEY CAN BE IMMERSED IN THE COMMUNITY AND UNDERSTAND THE COMMUNITY, WHERE WE COME FROM AND WHAT WE DO AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL INCLUDE THAT AS A PART OF THAT INDIVIDUAL'S ONBOARDING AND INTEGRATION INTO YEAH. I THINK THAT WOULD BE MM-HMM. , BECAUSE WE NEVER WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE SOMEBODY OF THAT CAPACITY HERE IN THE VERDE VALLEY WITH US. IT WAS ALWAYS THIS REDHEAD STEPCHILD CHILD, IF YOU WILL. I, I RECOGNIZE I COULDN'T BY MYSELF AND WITH THE TEAM THAT I'VE GOT, DO THIS COMMUNITY AS, UH, FULL SERVICE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE SOMEBODY HERE ALL THE TIME. WELL, IT, IT SPEAKS VOLUMES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN, FOR COMING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'RE, UH, GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE IN THE AGENDA. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ITEM F, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMISSION UP TO, TO THE NEXT, UH, PRESENTATION. SO, NATE, OH, YOU ARE HERE. OKAY. SO, [8.f. AB 3099 Discussion/possible action regarding the future of the Historical Preservation Commission.] UH, WE HAVE ITEM F WILL BE, ITEM BECOME ITEM B. THAT'S AB 30 99. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE FUTURE OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR JALO. I'M ANNETTE ICKER, CITY MANAGER. WHILE, UM, STEVE AND NATE ARE GETTING SET UP, I CAN INTRODUCE THE ITEM, UM, COUNCIL OR VICE MAYOR PLU, UM, REQUESTED SOME TIME AGO THAT WE ADD THIS DISCUSSION TO YOUR AGENDA. AND SO WE HAVE, UM, I BELIEVE THE QUESTION RAISED AT THAT TIME WAS, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE CHALLENGES THE CITY WAS FACING IN FILLING VACANT HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, UM, OPEN SEATS, UM, THERE IS A HISTORY I BELIEVE IN HERE, UM, OF OUR EFFORTS TO RECRUIT AND FILL VACANCIES. AND THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION RAISED ABOUT THE WORK ASSIGNMENTS FOR THE HPC, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE ALSO A CONTRACT WITH THE HERITAGE MUSEUM TO PERFORM CERTAIN FUNCTIONS, UM, OF THE, OF WHAT, OF WHAT WOULD TRADITIONALLY BE SOMETHING FOR THE HPC. SO, STAFF HAS ASKED, UH, NATE MYERS, WHO'S THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE MUSEUM, AND IS CURRENTLY SERVING AS, IS IT THE INTERIM CHAIR OR THE CHAIR? CHAIR? THE ACTING CHAIR. ACTING CHAIR OF THE, FOR THE TITLE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. SO YOU CAN SHARE BOTH, UH, PERSPECTIVES TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS. UM, I INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET A COPY OF THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH THE HERITAGE MUSEUM. UM, THAT IS A THREE [01:20:01] YEAR CONTRACT THAT IS, UM, EXPIRES IN 2026. UM, AND GIVEN THAT YOU'LL NOTE THAT MY RECOMMENDATION AS THE CITY MANAGER IS THAT WE WORK WITH THE HPC THROUGH 2025 UNTIL THE POINT THAT WE'RE READY TO, UM, RENEGOTIATE THE MUSEUM CONTRACT AND TALK ABOUT CHANGES TO THAT CONTRACT AT THAT TIME. OF COURSE, THIS IS COUNCIL'S, UM, COMMISSION, AND IT IS UP TO YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT STAFF TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. UM, BUT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO NATE AND STEVE IF THEY WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR IF VICE MAYOR PLU WANTS TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS FROM YOU. OKAY. I'M GONNA DEFER TO, UH, NATE, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE, UM, WE'RE HERE TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER, UH, INFORMATION OR PRESENTATION BEYOND WHAT, UH, AND THAT JUST STATED. OKAY. YEAH. I'LL JUST SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, UH, I'LL TRY TO KEEP MY ROLES HERE SEPARATE , IT'S A LITTLE, LITTLE COMPLEX WITH THE, WITH, UH, MY ROLE WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, MY ROLE WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, THE, THE SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACT. UM, BEFORE WE JUMP IN ANY FURTHER, I DO WANNA, UM, THANK SOME OF MY BOARD MEMBERS, UH, WHO CAME OUT TODAY. UH, CLANCY SAGE, BECKY CRUZ, AND, AND KATHY LEVIN. UM, AND ALSO, UM, KAREN STUACK IS HERE, AND SHE'S NOTABLE BECAUSE SHE WAS, UM, THE ONE WHO STARTED THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION BACK IN 88, . SO WE MET, WE MET, UH, A WEEK OR SO AGO, WAS VERY ENLIGHTENED. YES. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW, I I, I JUST KIND OF CAME TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY, UM, I DUNNO HOW YOU WANNA PROCEED, , LEMME TO SPEAK. YOU WANT TO START? OKAY, SURE. SO I BROUGHT THIS ITEM UP FOR CONSIDERATION FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE WAS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DIFFICULTY FILLING THIS SPOTS ON THE COMMISSION. AND COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE EVEN REDUCED THE NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS FROM SEVEN TO FIVE SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY FILL THEM. AND, UH, THERE WERE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE WHO WERE, ONE HAD ALREADY RESIGNED, IT WAS BOB HUDGINS, AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE WAS GETTING READY TO, OH, BRIN UNGER, THE CHAIRWOMAN STEPPED ASIDE. SO THAT WAS TWO OUT OF THE FIVE. AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE WAS RUMORED THAT THEY WERE GONNA LEAVE FOR MEDICAL REASONS, UH, NOT BECAUSE OF NAH, BUT THEIR OWN REASONS. , RIGHT. UH, AND SO, AND WE HAD, SO IT SEEMED TO ME TO BE A GOOD TIME TO ASSESS WHAT WE SHOULD DO. AND SINCE THEN, I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT WE HAVE TWO QUALIFIED PEOPLE. WE HAVE NOT INTERVIEWED WAITING FOR THE DISCUSSION TODAY, BUT TWO QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS. AND, UH, AND I THINK THAT ANNETTE HAS, HAS COME UP WITH A GOOD STRATEGY, A GOOD COMPROMISE STRATEGY THAT I SUPPORT, WHICH IS TO GIVE NATE, WHO, WHO'S THE ACTING, ACTING BILL , I GUESS YOU'RE GONNA BE THE ACTUAL CHAIR AT SOME POINT, I GUESS WHEN WE HAVE AN ELECTION. YEAH. IF, IF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AGREE SURE. THEY WILL, UH, AND GIVE THE COMMISSION A CHANCE UNDER NEW LEADERSHIP WITH, WITH NEW COMMISSIONERS TO PROVE THAT THEY SHOULD EXIST. AND THE IDEA THAT THE CONTRACT IS UP FOR RENEWAL NEXT YEAR GIVES US A PLACEHOLDER. RIGHT. GIVES US A CHANCE, A TARGET DATE, GIVES US A CHANCE TO GET THE COMMISSION UP AND RUNNING, SEE IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY FUNCTIONAL, SEE IF THEY AGREE THAT THEY HAVE WORK THAT SHOULD BE DONE, AND MAKE THAT DECISION AT THAT TIME. I'M TOTALLY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AS AN OUTCOME. JESSICA. WELL, THE QUESTION ALWAYS WAS, WHAT DID THE COMMISSION DO? IS, WAS IT REALLY WORTH HAVING ONE AT ALL, OTHER THAN THAT ONE LITTLE LEGAL THING THAT THAT'S REQUIRED THAT SOMEBODY DO. SO, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE ROLE OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS OR COULD BE? 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT NECESSARILY HAS EVER BEEN THAT. AND DO WE REALLY NEED A COMMISSION OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT COULD BE HANDLED BEST BY THE SOCIETY AND THE, AND ITS BOARD? MM-HMM. , DO YOU WANNA START? UH, I'LL START BY, UM, THE , UM, [01:25:03] THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SPELLS OUT, UM, AND WHICH YOU HAVE IN YOUR PA PACKET, OF COURSE, UM, SPELLS OUT THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. SO WHAT, THOSE ARE OUR, OUR LANDMARKING PROPERTIES AND THE MAINTENANCE OF LANDMARK PROPERTIES THROUGH, UM, CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS OR CERTIFICATES OF NO EFFECT. UM, AND UPKEEPING, THE SURVEY BOOK, UH, FOR THE LANDMARK PROPERTIES, THAT IS, AND THAT CAN ONLY BE DONE BY THE COMMISSION. SO TO LANDMARK A PROPERTY, YES, IT HAS TO BE BY THE COMMISSION OR BY ANOTHER PUBLIC BODY. OKAY. TO, TO THAT, GO AHEAD. UM, OH, I'M SORRY. NO, GO ON. I, I WAS GONNA SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU ASKED ABOUT, UH, KIND OF A, A GENERAL VISION MOVING FORWARD. I THINK, UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I, I THINK PART OF THIS CONVERSATION CAME UP BECAUSE, UM, FOR, I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT THE COMMISSION WASN'T DOING ITS JOB FOR, FOR A, A LONG STRETCH OF TIME, AND THERE ARE REASONS FOR THAT, AND I DON'T WANT TO GO DEEP INTO THAT BECAUSE I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ONE OR GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO'S TO BLAME. UM, IT'S, IT WAS JUST A LOT OF CIRCUMSTANCES CAME TOGETHER. SO, I MEAN, IT, THE COMMISSION DID ISSUE CERTIFICATES OF NO EFFECT AND CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS. UM, BUT IT WAS 10 OR 11 YEARS BETWEEN LANDMARKING PROPERTIES AND, AND WE'VE, UM, JUST THIS PAST MAY GOT BACK TO LANDMARKING PROPERTIES WHERE WE, WE LANDMARKED THE KIVA HOUSE AND WE LANDMARKED THE CHAPEL AT LOCKA POCK. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A HISTORICAL SURVEY THAT'S, UH, THAT WAS DONE IN 2014, A HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, UM, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A RECORD, A WRITTEN RECORD AND DOCUMENTATION OF THE BUILDINGS, WHICH HAVE HIT THE BASELINE QUALIFICATION OF 50 YEARS OLD, UM, EVEN TO BE CONSIDERED FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION. THAT ALL BEING SAID, UM, WHAT THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN WORKING ON IN OUR LAST COUPLE OF, OF MEETINGS IS DEVELOPING A, A WORK PLAN TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T HIT ONE OF THOSE DRY PATCHES AGAIN, WHERE, UH, WE GO SO LONG WITHOUT DOING OUR PRIMARY TASK, UH, OUR PRIMARY MANDATE OF LANDMARKING HISTORIC BUILDINGS. RIGHT. SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE DRAFTING THAT WITH THE EYE TOWARDS ENSURING WE HAVE AN ACTIVE LANDMARKING PROGRAM, ENSURING WE'VE ALWAYS GOT, UH, SOME IN THE PIPELINE, UM, THAT, THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS, UM, ENSURING THAT WE'RE WORKING, YOU KNOW, WITH MY ORGANIZATION, THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY, TO GET, UM, UH, EDUCATION MATERIALS OUT THERE. AND TO THAT END, UH, WHAT I PASSED AROUND TO THE, THE COUNSELORS JUST A MOMENT AGO, UM, WAS, UH, QR CODE THAT'LL TAKE YOU TO A DRIVING TOUR THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER, UM, THAT I'LL SHOW YOU. MOST OF THE LANDMARKED, UH, PROPERTIES, AKIVA HOUSE ASKED NOT TO BE INCLUDED. AND, UM, THE O AND B DITCH ISN'T INCLUDED BECAUSE THAT PARTICULAR SOFTWARE JUST DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR A LANDMARK ACROSS MULTIPLE PROPERTIES, . BUT, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S REALLY FUN WAYS WE CAN GET THIS INFORMATION OUT THERE TO PEOPLE IN A WAY THAT THEY'LL ACTUALLY USE IT. AND THAT'S A FULL-TIME COMMISSION JOB. I MEAN, MEETING ONCE A MONTH, OR HOW OFTEN DO YOU SEE HAVING THE COMMISSION MEET? 'CAUSE I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IS THAT REALLY A FULL-TIME COMMISSION JOB? I MEAN, DO YOU NEED A FULL-TIME COMMISSION TO DO THAT? AND IS IT A FULL-TIME ROLE? SORRY, , WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY? YEAH, WELL, WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT, UM, THAT PART OF THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS. UM, UH, THE PORTION THAT STAFF DOES FOR THE COMMISSION, UH, THE PORTION THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAD BEEN DOING IN THE PAST, WHAT THEY FEEL THEY WANT TO DO, THEY WANT TO PICK UP MORE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND MORE, I'M, I SHOULD, I'M SORRY, MORE OF, UM, THE, THE, UH, APPLICATIONS, UH, THAT STAFF DOES, UH, IN LOOKING FOR THE LANDMARK PROPERTIES, UH, IDENTIFYING, UH, WHO, WHO WOULD BE IN THE TOP, YOU KNOW, FIVE, UM, THE SURVEY BOOK ITSELF IS OUTDATED, GREATLY OUTDATED. THAT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF TIME, UH, A LOT OF STAFF TIME, A LOT OF COMMISSION TIME, CONSULTING TIME, UH, AND MONEY. SO YES, AT, AT THIS POINT WE'RE, WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE, UM, WITH THE, UH, WORK PROGRAM THAT, THAT, UH, UM, THE COMMISSION IS ALREADY DISCUSSED, UM, AND THE WORK THAT'S NEEDED TO BE DONE AT THIS POINT, I CAN SAY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS THERE, THE COMMISSION WOULD BE, UH, TASKED, UH, OR PUT TO TASK, [01:30:01] IF YOU WILL. UM, ADDITIONALLY, EXCUSE ME. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE INFORMATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED, THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS HAS GONE UP. UM, THE NUMBER OF REASONS TO MEET HAS GONE UP IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. MM-HMM, , THANK YOU, KATHY. UM, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION IN THE PACKET. IT WAS, UM, REALLY ILLUMINATING AND GAVE ME GREAT OPTIMISM THAT THE HPC HAS TAKEN ON A MUCH MORE VISIONARY AND ACTIVE ROLE. UM, LATELY. UH, YOU'VE MORE THAN DOUBLED WHAT YOU'VE DONE, WHAT THE COMMISSION HAS DONE SINCE 2012, . YEAH. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S GREAT. I MEAN, THE LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS AND THE CERTIFICATE OF NO EFFECTS, I MEAN, THESE ARE IMPORTANT TOOLS FOR THE CITY. UM, AND THERE WAS A REAL LAG, AS WAS POINTED OUT, AND I THINK PART OF IT WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND, AND TRACK THIS. AND THIS GAVE US A REALLY GOOD SNAPSHOT OF, OF WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON AND WHEN. SO, UM, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE, I'M SORRY. ARE WE IN QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? CAN I DO COMMENTS? THIS WAS A COMMENT, COMMENT. I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. I, I JUST REALIZED I WAS COMMENTING. I I WAS SORRY. WAITING, BUT YOU KNOW. OKAY. GO AHEAD SHORTLY AND THIS WAY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. I, I WANTED SAY THAT I WAS, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE WHAT I SEE IS AN UPSWING OF, AS I SAID, VISION AND RESULTS THAT ARE HAPPENING. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A WRONG TIME TO TRY AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT CHANGE IN THE MODEL. I THINK THAT THE, THE, UM, PROPOSITION TO EVALUATE IN A YEAR MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. AND AGAIN, I'M JUST GRATEFUL FOR THE INFORMATION THAT WAS IN HERE, SO THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER, OKAY. OH, PETE, YES, GO AHEAD. THANKS, MAYOR. I'M STILL ON QUESTIONS. I'M SORRY. OKAY. GO, GO FOR IT. . UH, I WANTED TO ASK NATE, UH, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW IN OUR PACKET IS THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION PROCEDURES AND THE PROVIDER AGREEMENT THAT'S IN THERE JUST AS REFERENCE FOR US TO SEE SORT OF YOUR RULES OF OPERATION MM-HMM. AT, AT, AT THIS POINT. ARE THERE THINGS IN THERE THAT YOU THINK NEED CHANGE OR THE COMMISSION HAS TALKED ABOUT NEEDING CHANGE IN EITHER YOUR PROCEDURES OR THE PROVIDER AGREEMENT? I, I ACTUALLY DON'T PERCEIVE THAT AS A NEED AT THE MOMENT. UM, I, I TOO AM IN FAVOR OF, OF THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION TO, TO, UM, SEE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT OVER THE NEXT LITTLE BIT. AND IF WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT, I THINK THE, THE NEGOTIATION FOR THE PROVIDER CONTRACT, UM, OFFERS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THAT. UM, BUT THAT BEING SAID, I THINK, UM, THE COMMISSION HAVING A WORK PLAN, UM, THAT SHOWS US A DIRECTION TO GO PRIORITIZES HOW WE SHOULD BE APPROACHING THE LANDMARKS, UM, IS, IS, IS VITAL TO, TO GETTING THIS THING UP AND RUNNING IN A, IN A REALLY EFFECTIVE WAY INTO THE FUTURE. UH, I WILL ALSO SAY TO THE POINT OF RECRUITMENT, I THINK HAVING AN ACTIVE COMMISSION WILL MAKE RECRUITMENT EASIER. UM, I THINK PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY JOIN A BOARD OR COMMISSION WHEN THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, BUT LIKE, WHAT DO YOU DO? RIGHT? UM, AND SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE BUSILY TRYING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN THIS, IN THIS PERIOD RIGHT NOW. I THINK, UM, IT'S, IT'S A BIT OF A TRANSITION TO, TO NOT CHANGING THE CON THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT IS THAT HPC DOES, BUT REALLY REBOOTING IT, REJUVENATING IT, UH, REDIRECTING IT, UH, REFOCUSING IT. UM, A LOT OF REWORDS IN THERE, BUT, UM, LIKE THE FOCUS BEING ON LANDMARKING PROPERTIES AND, AND THE MAINTENANCE AS STEVE SAID, OF, OF THOSE LANDMARKED PROPERTIES ALREADY. UM, AND, AND JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE DOING THAT WORK THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. YEAH. THANK YOU. I'LL, I'LL SHIFT INTO COMMENT MODE NOW, MAYOR, AND GO RIGHT AHEAD AND SAY, YES. YOU KNOW, THE PENDULUM SWINGS ON THESE THINGS, AND I DETECT THAT THE PENDULUM IS SWINGING BACK TO THE MODE OF ENGAGEMENT OF THE COMMISSIONER. AND I, I DO THINK IT'S A GOOD THING, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE SEEN IN OTHER PLACES OF SUPER ACTIVE COMMISSIONS THAT START TO TALK ABOUT PROPERTIES AT 30 YEARS, BECAUSE 50 YEARS WILL BE HERE SOON ENOUGH. AND SO THEY CAN GET OVERACTIVE AS WELL. UM, BUT YEAH, I APPRECIATE IT AND I SUPPORT THE, UH, MANAGER'S DIRECTION AND THOUGHTS ON THIS. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, NOTHING ELSE FROM COUNSEL? OH, YES. WE, WE WILL GET TO THAT. UH, OR WHY DON'T WE DO IT NOW? WE HAVE ONE CARD. WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT, A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, WE HAVE ONE CARD. KATHY LEVIN, ARE YOU STILL HERE? YOU ARE. OKAY. UH, WHY DON'T YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS. YOU KNOW, THE DRILL, I THINK YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. CITY OF RESIDENT, SEDONA, I DON'T HAVE ANY PREPARED REMARKS, BUT I WAS PREPARED TO BE THERE IN CASE THERE WAS DISSENSION AMONG YOU ON THIS AGENDA, [01:35:01] BILL. SO I'LL JUST SPEAK OFF THE CUFF. PRIOR TO THE, UM, INITIATION OF THE RESEARCH FOR THIS, I WAS INVOLVED AS A CITY EMPLOYEE IN STAFFING THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. SO I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT. I'M PASSIONATE BECAUSE MY FAMILY'S BEEN HERE SINCE THE 1950S. AND LOOKING FORWARD THERE, IT, DO YOU HAVE COPIES OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY BOOK? DO YOU HAVE IT WITH YOU, NATE OR STEVE? I DON'T HAVE IT WITH, I DO HAVE, I FORGOT TO BRING MY MYSELF. WELL, IN, IN THE BACK PORTION OF THAT BOOK ARE, UH, IS A LISTING OF PROPERTIES, UH, THAT COULD BE ELIGIBLE TO BE LANDMARKED. THERE IS A WORK PLAN ALREADY EMBEDDED IN THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY, WHICH WOULD NEED TO BE UPDATED. AS YOU SAY, THINGS GET OLDER JUST LIKE US. UM, BUT I, AS I THOUGHT ABOUT COMING HERE TODAY, UM, I WAS THINKING OF SOME OF THE REALLY EXCITING PROPERTIES THAT IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO, UH, ENGAGE THE PROPERTY OWNERS. AND I STARTED THIS 12 YEARS AGO, AND I WASN'T ABLE TO CRACK THE NUT. ONE WAS THE MAC MAX ERNST HOUSE, AND, AND THE OTHER TWO WERE BABBITT PROPERTIES ON THE CREEK. ONE HAS BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY ALTERED THAT IT WOULD TRULY BE ELIGIBLE, BUT THE OTHER IS, AND IT GOES BACK TO THE 1940S, HAS THIS BEAUTIFUL BABBIT LEGACY AS WELL AS AN ARCHITECTURAL LEGACY, WHICH BY THE WAY, THE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE COME RIGHT FROM THE US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR. THAT'S THE RUBRIC UNDER WHICH ALL CGS OPERATE. UM, AND, AND THEN I THOUGHT IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THERE'S THIS LOVELY FAMILY WITH ONE DARLING LITTLE CHILD. THEY ARE DOCUMENTING THE HISTORY OF THEIR HOME BECAUSE, UH, CYNTHIA BENNETT, WHO WAS MARRIED TO FRANK MCCARTHY, IF YOU KNOW YOUR SOUTHWESTERN ARTIST OR CONTEMPORARY ARTIST, FRANK MCCARTHY, WAS PART OF THE COWBOY CLUB OF AMERICA LEGACY MEETING UPTOWN AT THE, UH, WHATEVER IT WAS THAT HAD THE POLAR BEAR IN IT. UM, THEY HAVE TAKEN THAT HOME. THEY'RE BUILDING NOTEBOOKS AND MEMORABILIA ABOUT BOTH OF THOSE ARTISTS. CYNTHIA BENNETT WAS, UM, WORKED FOR THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, AND WHILE SHE WAS AT THE GRAND CANYON, SHE WAS ALSO SKETCHING. AND IF YOU'VE SEEN HER WORK, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE JOELLA MAHONEY'S. IT'S VERY STYLISTIC, IT'S CONTEMPORARY BRIGHT. FRANK MCCARTHY WAS A COWBOY ARTIST, UM, PAINTER. SO, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM ME IS A HOME THAT SPEAKS TO ONE OF THE MORE IMPORTANT PERIODS OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED SEEING ECCENTRIC PEOPLE COME AND ARTISTS COME. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. UH, I THINK YOU'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I THINK IT'S A GOOD KICK IN THE BUTT, ACTUALLY. UM, AND WITH CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP, UM, SOME OUTSTANDING, UH, APPLICATIONS FOR THE COMMISSION, I EXPECT IT'S GONNA BE A VERY BUSY YEAR. BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO REMEMBER THAT NATE HAS 120 OTHER JOBS. , I'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE. SO NOW, UH, ALLOW ME TO FINISH UP. UH, I HAVE SEEN A DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT AND, UH, A LOT OF THE DIRECTIONS NOT, I'M NOT CRITICIZING THE PRIOR AT ALL BECAUSE THEY, THEY WORK WITH WHAT THEY HAD AND THE AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERS THAT THEY HAD. BUT TO SEE TWO, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THE APPLICATIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE APPLIED, BUT TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE ACTUALLY SHOW AN INTEREST IN THIS REALLY IMPORTANT, YEAH. 3, 3, 3. OKAY. UH, TO SHOW INTEREST IN THIS IMPORTANT, UH, COMMISSION IS INVIGORATING TO ME. IT'S ENCOURAGING TO ME. SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. I, UH, TO WANT TO SUPPORT THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION. I THINK IT JUST MAKES SENSE, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW LEADERSHIP AND THE INCREASE IN, UH, INVOLVEMENT. I, I THINK IT'S JUST GREAT. SO, UH, THIS IS FOR, UH, NOT FOR ACTUALLY TO GIVE DIRECTION FOR, UH, STAFF. I THINK I, UH, I WOULD SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH DOING THE INTERVIEWS. UH, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN THAT. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. UH, WE ARE ALL, I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM, UH, YOU ON MY RIGHT. ARE YOU, UH, SUPPORTING THAT AS WELL? I'M GOOD WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION. GOOD LUCK, MELISSA. I'M ALSO FINE WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION THEN. I THINK WE CAN, I AND I TOO AM FINE WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION. YOU HAVE UNANIMOUS SUPPORT TO ADD THIS TO YOUR LIST OF 18 OTHER POSITIONS THAT YOU HAVE. YEP. [01:40:01] 19 NOW. 19. BUT YOU DO IT QUITE AMAZINGLY WELL, SO IT DOES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOU, NATE. THANK YOU. YOU REALLY DO. OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GO UP TO, WHAT WAS B UH, WILL BE C AND I GOTTA HAVE THE GLASSES ON TO READ. OKAY. OKAY. UH, [8.b. AB 3071 Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding adoption of Draft Land Use Assumptions, Infrastructure Improvement Plan (IIP), and Development Fees] AB 30 71 PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING ADOPTION OF A DRAFT LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT PLAN, IIP AND DEVELOPING FEES OF DEVELOPMENT FEES. AND THANK YOU MAYOR. I WILL ALSO, UM, HANDLE THIS ITEM. UM, AS YOU'RE AWARE, YOU HAVE DISCUSSED, UM, THESE DOCUMENTS TWICE NOW AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARINGS ACTUALLY THREE TIMES. UM, AND YOU'VE HEARD FROM OUR CONSULTANT ON THE METHODOLOGIES USED TO DEVELOP THESE AND THE REASONS WHY UNDER THE STATE STATUTES IN OUR FIVE YEAR REVIEW TIMEFRAME. SO TONIGHT, UM, THIS, UH, ACTION THAT'S REQUESTED IS FOR THE, UM, TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. AND ALSO TO REQUEST THAT YOU, UM, ADOPT THE TWO DOCUMENTS AND UPON THE ADOPTION TONIGHT, UM, TOMORROW WE WILL PUBLISH THE DRAFT FEES AND THEN WE WILL BE BACK TO ON NOVEMBER 12TH TO START THE CONVERSATION WITH YOU ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF THE FEES AND HOW THOSE ARE IMPLEMENTED, TIMING, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO TONIGHT IS JUST THE ACTION OF ADOPTING THE TWO DOCUMENTS SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS. OKAY. WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? JUST QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS. OKAY. BEFORE WE GO TO COMMENTS, I WANNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS? NO, MAYOR. OKAY. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR CLOSING. BRING COMMENTS. ANY COMMENTS FROM TO, FROM MY RIGHT. COMMENTS FROM MY LEFT? OKAY. UH, VERY GOOD. CAN I HAVE A, A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION. I'LL BE THE MOTION MAKER. I MOVE TO ADOPT THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT, FEES AND DIRECT STAFF TO PUBLISH THE DRAFT DEVELOPMENT FEE REPORT. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, YOU, WE, JOANNE, YOU'RE OVER HERE. UH, UNANIMOUS. OKAY. UH, WE OPEN FOR A BREAK. WHAT'S OUR NEXT ITEM? THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE, UH, REGARDING THE, UH, BED SALES AND BED TAX. THAT'S GONNA BE BARBARA'S TIME. WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK THOUGH, . SO, UH, WHY DON'T WE DO 15 MINUTES? WE'LL BE BACK AT SIX 30, OKAY? OKAY. WELCOME BACK FOLKS. [8.c. AB 2953 Presentation/discussion regarding the June 2024 Sales and Bed Tax Report. ] ITEM C, AB 29 53 PRESENTATION DISCUSSION REGARDING THE JUNE, 2024 SALES AND BED TAX REPORT. RIGHT? MR. MAYOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WOULD LOVE TO INTRODUCE YOU FORMALLY, WHO WOULD THAT BE? AND PUBLICLY TO OUR NEW DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, MS. BARBARA WHITEHORN, WHO'S ACTIVELY WORKING ON GETTING SET UP. BUT WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE HER JOIN THE CITY TEAM. AND TONIGHT OBVIOUSLY IS HER FIRST PRESENTATION TOO. SO WELCOME BARBARA. AND OF COURSE WE HAVE LAUREN AND ANDREW, BUT YOU HAVE MET THEM ALREADY. YEAH, HOPEFULLY YOU KNOW THEM. UM, IS OKAY. YES, MY MICROPHONE'S WORKING. I CAN HEAR IT. OKAY. OKAY. UM, SO THIS IS THE SAME ESSENTIAL PRESENTATION THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE. UM, BUT HOPEFULLY, UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN MAKE IT SUPER INTERESTING THIS TIME. SO, UM, WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS COMPARISON . THIS IS LIKE A REALLY BUSY SLIDE, UM, COMPARISON TO THE PRIOR YEAR AND THE BUDGET. AND WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT IS THE VARIANCE BETWEEN THIS YEAR AND LAST YEAR. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT COLUMN, THE, FROM THE MONTH OVER THE THIRD COLUMN THAT SAYS ACTUAL VARIANCE, THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU WANNA LOOK AT IS, YOU KNOW, HOW DID EACH MONTH VARY AND THEN THE WHOLE YEAR FOR SALES TAX AND THEN FOR BED TAX. SO FOR SALES TAX FOR THE WHOLE YEAR, WE WERE UP 5% YEAR OVER YEAR. NOW THE BUDGET, WE WERE 10% OVER WHERE WE BUDGETED, BUT THAT'S NOT AS SIGNIFICANT IN A SORT OF TREND CONTEXT AS THE ACTUAL OVER ACTUAL. AND THEN BED TAX WE'RE 9% UP [01:45:01] FROM THE PRIOR YEAR ACTUAL. SO THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS YEAR OVER YEAR. AND THEN HERE IS A FIVE YEAR COMPARISON, WHICH IS ACTUALLY PRETTY INTERESTING. YOU CAN SEE SORT OF WHERE LIKE FISCAL YEAR 19, WHICH I WOULD RECOMMEND LOOKING TO THE FAR RIGHT, BECAUSE THE OTHERS ARE JUST JUNE, WHICH I DON'T THINK GIVES YOU MUCH CONTEXT. BUT FISCAL YEAR 19 TO FISCAL YEAR 24 HAS INCREASED 56% FOR SALES TAX AND 95% FOR BED TAX. NOW THERE HAS BEEN CPI INCREASE OF ABOUT 23% OVER THAT SAME PERIOD. SO JUST SORT OF A QUICK AND DIRTY, YOU COULD TAKE 23% OFF OF THOSE FOR SORT OF TO ACCOUNT FOR THE CPI, THAT'S NOT TERRIBLY ACCURATE BECAUSE REALLY YOU SHOULD DO IT YEAR OVER YEAR OVER YEAR TO MAKE IT ACTUALLY CORRECT. BUT IF YOU WANT TO JUST KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA, YOU CAN TAKE THAT 23% OFF AND YOUR PERCENT CHANGES THEN LIKE 33% AND 72% STILL PRETTY EPIC. SO MOVING ON TO TRENDS, UM, I THINK THESE ARE A LITTLE CHALLENGING TO SEE AS WELL. SO HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO, AS I PUT THIS TOGETHER FOR YOU, I CAN SIMPLIFY SOME OF THESE. UM, NOT THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM, BUT THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH ON A SLIDE AND I THINK YOU JUST NEED, UM, EASIER TO READ INFORMATION. I DO, I'M, I AM TOO OLD FOR THIS SMALL, UM, BUT THIS DOES GIVE US THE SALES TAX HISTORY OVER, UM, FROM 2020 TO 2024 EACH MONTH YESTERDAY. BARBARA, IF YOU TAKE A PAUSE FOR ONE SECOND, COUNCIL FULL. YEAH, BARBARA, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING CHANGES, THAT'S GREAT. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT STUCK IN THE PAST, BUT BEING ABLE TO LOOK VISUALLY AT THE MONTHS YEAR, OVER YEAR, OVER YEAR IS VERY EFFECTIVE BECAUSE ESPECIALLY LIKE ON BED TECHS, YOU GET YOUR HOTEL YEARS THAT ARE LOOKING AT THAT AND GOING, OKAY, WE JUST HAD THE SECOND BEST MAY WE'VE EVER HAD, OR THE FIRST OR THE THIRD OR WHATEVER. SO I WOULDN'T WANNA LOSE THAT COMPARISON, BUT IF IT WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE SLIDES ON A PAGE SO IT WAS BIGGER, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YEAH, SIR, THAT'S EXACTLY, EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING WAS REALLY MORE, THESE ARE INCREDIBLY INFORMATIVE AND IMPORTANT, BUT BECAUSE WE'VE PUT 'EM ON ONE SLIDE, IT MAKES IT HARD TO REALLY MAKE THAT, UM, TO REALLY SEE THAT AND SAY, HEY, THAT MARCH WAS LIKE SUPER HIGH. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S MORE CHALLENGING TO READ IT, BUT I THINK THE INFORMATION IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, SO ABSOLUTELY AGREE. THANK YOU, SIR. YOU GOOD, BRIAN? OKAY, THANK YOU. NOW FOR THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO COMMUNICATIONS AND TOURISM BECAUSE THIS IS MORE THEIR BAILIWICK THAN MINE. UM, AND I THINK THEY CAN GIVE MORE CONTEXT. HELLO. UM, SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THE SMITH TRAVEL RESEARCH. SO THIS IS NOT COMING FROM CITY DATA AT THIS POINT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT HOTEL OCCUPANCY AND A DR. UM, I'D ALSO JUST NOTE THAT BED TAXES BEING COLLECTED IN MORE THAN THE HOTELS AND MOTELS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED HERE. THERE IS ALSO THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE REMITTING THE BED TAX. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST A COUPLE THINGS HERE. YOU KNOW, IF I LOOK AT THE, THE GRAFT ON THE LEFT RELATED TO OCCUPANCY, I SEE MY FAVORITE DOUBLE CAMEL HUMP CHART THAT I REALLY DO SEE IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT. OBVIOUSLY WE SEE THE MASSIVE DIP DURING, DURING COVID. UM, I WILL SAY THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT KIND OF 2021, UM, WHAT I'VE SEEN IS THAT IS KIND OF OUR HIGH WATERMARK DURING THE COVID YEARS. UH, KIMLEY HORNE ALSO IDENTIFIED THAT, SO THAT'S WHY THAT RED LINE SEEMS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER WITHIN THIS CHART. UM, I WOULD ALSO KIND OF GO TO THE RIGHT CHART NOW, WHICH IS LOOKING AT AVERAGE DAILY RATE AT THE PROPERTIES. UM, YOU CAN DEFINITELY SEE THAT, UM, WE START TO SEE SOME PRETTY HIGH SWINGS IN A DR DURING THE 2022 AND 2024 TIMEFRAME. THAT WOULD BE SORT OF THAT MARCH AND APRIL WHERE WE COULD EXPECT TO SEE SOME HIGHER REVENUES OCCUR THERE. UM, I KEEP LOOKING AT 20 22, 20 23 AND 2024 AND IT'S CONSISTENT THAT 2023 WOULD BE PERFORMING LOWER THAN THOSE TWO YEARS. SO THAT DEFINITELY MATCHES UP WITH STUFF THAT I SEE AND OUR OTHER CHARTS, AND THEN YOU DO SEE A RATHER CONSISTENT FLOW THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR. RIGHT. THANK YOU MAYOR ANDREW, THIS MORNING AT THE, UH, LODGING COUNCIL MEETING, YOU WERE ALSO SHOWING SOME DATA AND, AND I KNOW WE'RE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE BOOKING TREND, UH, OR BOOKING PACE, UH, BUT YOU HAD MENTIONED IN THAT LIKE, OKAY, THERE'S ONLY NINE HOTELS CONTRIBUTING TO THAT. DO WE KNOW HOW MANY HOTELS ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE SMITH TRAVEL RESEARCH DATA? YEAH, EXACTLY. UM, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING [01:50:01] LIKE 60% OF THE HOTELS, BUT IT'S 80% OF THE ROOMS. SO IT'S, IT'S A RATHER HIGH SAMPLE SIZE FOR US. SO, UM, SMITH JAVA RESEARCH IS REALLY STRONG DATA FOR US. MM-HMM. YEP. GREAT. IS IS I GUESS THE BEST I CAN SAY. YEP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. AND ANDREW, WOULD YOU MIND, UM, JUST POINTING OUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING UM, IN JUNE WITH THAT LITTLE BLUE DOT ON OCCUPANCY AND WHAT WE'LL BE WATCHING FOR JULY AND AUGUST? OH, EXACTLY. SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THE END OF THE PAST FISCAL YEAR AND WHAT WE'RE NOT SEEING IN THIS IS THE JULY AND AUGUST DATA, WHICH, UM, WE ARE SEEING DECREASES IN HOTEL OCCUPANCY FOR JULY AND AUGUST. AND I'LL KIND OF GET HERE ON MY NEXT SLIDE, BUT WE'RE NOT SEEING THE DECREASES IN OCCUPANCY AT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL DATA THAT WE DO HAVE ACCESS TO. REALLY? SO, SO THAT'S BEEN, WE'RE INVESTIGATING MORE. I MEAN, IT'S WITH SHORT-TERM RENTAL, IT'S TOUGH BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF LISTINGS CHANGE WHICH IMPACTS SUPPLY, WHICH IMPACTS OCCUPANCY. SO IT'S A LOT SMITH JOB RESEARCH IS REALLY STATIC AND IT'S REALLY TRUSTING. UM, 'CAUSE NUMBER OF SUPPLY DOESN'T CHANGE VERY OFTEN UNLESS A NEW HOTEL OPENS. UM, IT SWINGS A LOT MORE WHEN YOU LOOK AT KIND OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL LISTINGS, WHICH AGAIN, THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WOULD REFER TO AS A CITY, AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL LICENSES, THOSE ARE THE RESIDENTIALLY ZONED SHORT-TERM RENTALS. UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERFORMANCE, IT'S TRULY BASED ON THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING SOLD ON AIRBNB AND VRBO, WHICH IS NOT QUITE A ONE-TO-ONE MAYOR, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ARE, ARE WE PONDERING A MORE OF A CONSOLIDATED REPORT MOVING INTO THE FUTURE? YES, THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD, WHEN YOU SAY CONSOLIDATED, SO YOU'RE GONNA PUT SHORT TERM RENTALS AND HOTELS INTO ONE. LAUREN AND I ARE UP HERE SO THAT WE CAN SHARE, SHARE THE STAGE WITH THE FINANCE TEAM SO THAT ALL OF THIS DOES GET MORE CONSOLIDATED. I DON'T THINK WE'VE FIGURED OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE OUTLINE WOULD BE, BUT I THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL HEARD. I KNOW. I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM SEP KEPT SEPARATE. SO VICE MAYOR, I'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION A NUMBER OF TIMES AND I'VE NEVER REALLY GOTTEN AN ANSWER, SO I'M GONNA ASK IT AGAIN BECAUSE I HAVE A NEW PERSON WHAT IS CONSIDERED TO BE GOOD OCCUPANCY. OH, THAT'S A GREAT, CAN I SEGUE TO THIS SLIDE? UHHUH. . COOL. UM, SO GOOD OCCUPANCY. THERE YOU GO. TRULY IS ANYTHING OVER 60%? UM, I'D SAY GREAT OCCUPANCY IS ANYTHING OVER 65%. UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS. I, I, I'M, I WILL, I WILL LOOK THIS UP SO I CAN GUARANTEE IT, BUT I'VE HEARD IN THE PAST, KIND OF ANECDOTALLY, THAT CORPORATE BRANDS WANNA SEE AT LEAST A 60% OCCUPANCY BEFORE THEY ARRIVE INTO A DESTINATION. SO THAT'S SOME OF THE FRAME OF REFERENCE THAT KIND OF I HAVE. I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? BUT, BUT YOU DON'T WANNA JUST LOOK AT THAT. TOTALLY, TOTALLY, TOTALLY. YOU DO LOOK AT OCCUPANCY AND ROOM RATE, 'CAUSE THOSE THINGS BALANCE, I MEAN 100%. BUT I THINK, AGAIN, GENERAL, GENERAL RULE OF THUMB AND EVERY HOTEL IS DIFFERENT. EVERY DESTINATION IS DIFFERENT. IT'S WEIRD TO LOOK AT OCCUPANCY ANNUALLY, TO YOUR POINT, BECAUSE IT, IT CAN BE, IT CAN BE SWING, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE NATIONAL TOURISM IN ME WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL COMMENT WOULD BE ABOVE 60 IS ACCEPTABLE, ABOVE 65 IS GREAT, YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON MY HOTELS. UM, THIS CHART WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO LOOK AT. I THINK IT REALLY SHOWS YOU THE IMPACT THAT THE FINANCIAL RECESSION HAD, UM, ON, ON OCCUPANCY, WHICH SURPRISINGLY WAS A LOT LOWER THAN WHAT WE SAW IN COVID. BUT INTERESTINGLY, 'CAUSE WE'RE REPORTING ON A FISCAL YEAR, COVID IMPACTS WERE SPREAD OUT OVER TWO. WE ONLY REALLY OBSERVED, YOU KNOW, APRIL, MAY, JUNE IN ONE FISCAL YEAR. AND THEN WE SAW KIND OF THE FIRST HALF, BUT THEN WE GOT THE BIG BUMP THAT HAPPENED WHEN WE, WHEN WE REOPENED. SO THAT, THAT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW AS MUCH IN THIS, IN IN THIS CHART. UM, WHAT'S INTERESTING, AND IT COINCIDES WITH WHAT I'LL KINDA SHOW ON THE, ON THE NEXT CHART, BUT, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT FY 14 THROUGH 19, PRETTY FLAT OCCUPANCY AT AN ANNUAL, AT AN ANNUAL BASIS, AND THEN WE STARTED TO SEE THINGS CHANGE. UM, ONE THING TO CONSIDER IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE SEEING LESS VISITATION. IT JUST MIGHT MEAN THAT THEY'RE STAYING IN OTHER PLACES THAN HOTELS. SO, UM, THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU HOW THE SHORT TERM RENTAL MARKET IS LIKELY IMPACTING THE HOTEL MARKET. THAT SAID, UM, AND WE, WE, WE SAW IN THESE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, HOTEL A DR HAS INCREASED AT A RATE HIGHER THAN INFLATION. UM, WHICH IS WHY YOU SORT OF SEE THOSE CHARTS GO UP PRETTY HIGH IN FFY 22, FY 23, FY 24. WE DID EXPECT TO SEE THEM START TO DECREASE HERE IN FFY 25 THAT HAS THAT, THAT HAS BEGUN. UM, BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT WHEN OCCUPANCIES DOWN, BUT ADR IS UP, REVENUE LOOKS, LOOKS, LOOKS RELATIVELY THE SAME, I DO THINK REVENUES ARE INCREASED HERE, BUT, UM, IT SORT OF MASKS IT BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP [01:55:01] THAT THAT, UM, COUNCILOR PETE MENTIONED. UM, SO THIS IS INTERESTING IN THE SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA SEE ADRS GO DOWN IF OCCUPANCY REMAINS THE SAME, HOTEL REVENUE WOULD GO DOWN, WOULD BE SORT OF THE THING THERE. BUT WE MAY NOT SEE IT IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS ALSO BEING A REVENUE GENERATOR OF BED TAX. SO ANDREW, I'VE READ IN, UH, SOME OF THE MEDIA LITERATURE THAT, UH, HOTELS CAN GET TO A POINT WHERE THERE ARE A DR IS SO HIGH THAT THEY'RE SUCKING THE TOURIST DOLLARS OUT OF THE OTHER SPEND CATEGORIES IN A MARKET. DO YOU HAVE, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASSESS THAT AT SOME POINT AND TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO THE HOTELIERS, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, UM, YOU GUYS ARE SUCKING THE PLACE DRY. UH, THIS IS SOMETHING I WOULD LOVE TO INVESTIGATE. UM, I WOULD NEED BARBARA'S HELP. AND I'VE ALREADY THINK I MENTIONED THIS TO HER, BUT, UM, I, I'M COMMITTED TO LOOKING INTO THIS. UM, AGAIN, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WANTED TO COME AND WORK FOR A DESTINATION IS THAT I'VE BEEN SIMILAR THING. I'VE BEEN WANTING TO SEE DESTINATIONS LOOK AT THIS. I MEAN, JUST TO CLARIFY, RIGHT? IF YOU'VE GOT A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN YOUR BUDGET AND A DR HAS GONE UP AND YOU NOW ARE SPENDING 60% OF YOUR BUDGET ON A DR, YOU ONLY HAVE 40% LESS, WHICH MEANS YOU MIGHT TAKE ONE LESS TOUR OR YOU MIGHT NOT GET DESSERT, YOU MIGHT NOT GO OUT TO DINNER ONE MORE NIGHT. SO, UM, I'D SAY YES, THAT IS THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE AND I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO INVESTIGATE THAT 'CAUSE THAT WOULD HELP US AGAIN, JUST TELL THIS STORY BECAUSE, BUT THERE COULD BE A, AN EXPOSURE POINT OF, YOU KNOW, WE ARE EXPECTING VISITORS TO PAY MORE IF THEY START PAYING LESS, BUT WE DON'T SEE AN INCREASE IN VISITORS, WE'RE GONNA SEE A REDUCTION IN THE TAX BASE. YEP. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? I, I WAS GOING, THERE'S SIMILAR VEIN IF WHAT, WHAT IS THE POINT IN WHERE YOU PUSH PEOPLE OUT TO SOME OTHER LOCATION WHERE THE RATES ARE BETTER? AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW HOW WE COMPARE WITH LIKE TOURIST DESTINATIONS. YEAH. I'M REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE HOW WE COMPARE WITH COTTONWOOD AND CAMP VERDE, WHICH ARE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, INCREASING THEIR HOTEL SUPPLY IN RATES THAT ARE LIKELY MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN OURS. MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE. YES. THAT'LL HAVE THE BED TAX. WELL, BED TAX ASIDE, THEIR RATES ARE MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN OURS AT TIMES. OKAY. WHICH IS ANOTHER QUESTION TOO, BECAUSE YOU CAN GET ALL THE BENEFITS THEORETICALLY OF BE OF SEDONA, BUT STAY SOMEWHERE THAT'S MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE AND IT'S ONLY POTENTIALLY 15, 20 MINUTES. WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOSE THE TAX BENEFITS OF THAT, OF THAT TRIP. MAYBE NOT ENTIRELY, BUT PROPORTIONATELY. MM-HMM, EXACTLY. UM, AND ANDREW, CAN YOU HYPOTHESIZE ON ANY OF OUR THOUGHTS OF HOW BED TECHS COULD BE UP AND YET FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING, UH, HOTEL OCCUPANCY AND UH, REVPAR WAS EITHER, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS FLAT. I BELIEVE IT WAS FLAT, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS. IT WOULD BE THAT THE SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE OVERPERFORMING OR KIND OF INCREASING IN MARKET SHARE AND AGAIN, SHORT TERM RENTAL LISTINGS, WHICH COULD BE COMMERCIAL. AND WE'RE DOING A LOT OF INVESTIGATION INTO THIS, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT TIMESHARE PROPERTIES DO AT TIMES LIST ON SHORT TERM RENTALS. WE KNOW THERE'S A COMMERCIAL ZONED, SO I'VE GOT SOME IDEAS. SO DO OTHER PEOPLE WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT TRYING TO DISSECT THIS DATA A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO, ALRIGHT, CONTINUE ON. THANKS. IT'S BARBARA'S TIME. ALL RIGHT. BACK TO ME AND SOME MORE FINANCE INFORMATION. SO IN, IN JUNE, THE REVENUES ARE NOT ALL FROM JUNE. I MEAN, WE GET THEM IN AUGUST, RIGHT? BUT EVEN THE JUNE REVENUE ISN'T ALL JUNE REVENUE. AND ON THE LEFT, THE TABLE ON THE LEFT HAS ALL THE COLLECTIONS FROM PRIOR FISCAL YEARS. AND THIS ACTUALLY HAS A HUGE IMPACT OF $702 AND 76 CENTS THAT LIKE, WE DIDN'T GET LIKE A NEGATIVE. AND THEN THE OTHER CHART HAS JUNE'S COLLECTIONS AND THEN ALL OF THE OTHER MONTHS THAT PEOPLE TRUED UP STUFF FROM LAST JULY THROUGH MAY. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY TO OUR BENEFIT OF ABOUT 501,000. SO THAT'S THE ESSENTIAL, LIKE WHAT THIS, WHAT THIS SLIDE MEANS IS WE'RE COLLECTING OLD STUFF OR TRUING UP OLD STUFF AND SOMETIMES IT'S, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVE. AND SO THE, THE STATE'S LIKE, NO, THIS ONE COMES OUT, THIS ONE GOES IN. BUT IN, IN THE AGGREGATE IT'S ABOUT 500,000 TO THE GOOD. [02:00:03] AND HERE WE HAVE, UM, SALES TAX HISTORY BY CATEGORY AND THESE ARE ALL THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. AND SOMETHING THAT ANDREW ASKED ME WAS, WHAT IS OTHER IN AMUSEMENTS AND OTHER, AND IT'S ACTUALLY IN YOUR PACKET. IT'S DEFINED. UM, BUT THAT'S AMUSEMENT, WHICH YOU WOULD THINK IS GOING UP, RIGHT? LIKE LOGICALLY WE WOULD GO AMUSEMENTS GOING UP, BUT IT INCLUDES TRANSPORTING, PUBLICATION, JOB PRINTING, LICENSE FEES, AND THEN UNCLASSIFIED TAXES FROM BEFORE 2015 . SO I'M GUESSING IN SOME WAYS LIKE THAT PIECE FOR SURE IS GOING DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING FURTHER OUT FROM THERE. SO WE'RE PROBABLY NOT HAVING AS MUCH TAX COMING IN FROM 1991, LIKE ON THE LAST PAGE. UM, AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS PROBABLY DRIVE WHAT YOU SEE ON THE CHART THAT THAT IS THE ONE CAT ON THE BIG TABLE RATHER. THE ONE CATEGORY WHERE YEAR OVER YEAR, UM, PERFORMANCE IS ACTUALLY DOWN SLIGHTLY. UM, WELL THE, THE JUNE OVER JUNE AND THEN OVERALL IT DOESN'T HAVE LIKE MUCH OF AN INCREASE. BUT AMUSEMENTS AND OTHER IS, IS AN INTERESTING CATEGORY. I ALSO WAS LIKE, WHAT IS OTHER? SO IT'S KIND OF GOOD TO KNOW, UM, RETAIL OF ALL THIS SALES TAX, RETAIL'S JUST UP 1%. THE BIGGEST IS CONSTRUCTION, UM, FOLLOWED BY HOTEL MOTEL. NOW THIS IS NOT BED TAX. THIS IS A 3.5% SALES TAX. SO THEY PAY BOTH. SO IN AGGREGATE, YOU KNOW, THEY PAY 7% AND IT REALLY SHOULD BE LIKE THIS HOTEL MOTEL AND BED TAX SHOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT IT NEVER QUITE IS JUST BECAUSE OF REPORTING DIFFERENCES. AND HERE IS THAT, UM, BREAKDOWN THE FIVE YEAR CHANGE WITH RETAIL RESTAURANTS AMUSEMENT AND OTHER HERE IS DOWN 3% OVER FIVE YEARS. MM-HMM . AND YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING, IT'S SUCH AN INTERESTING CATEGORY 'CAUSE IT'S SORT OF A CATCHALL. UM, SO YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE CATCHING A LOT OF THINGS THAT AREN'T, AREN'T GROWING. UM, BUT ALL OF THE OTHER AREAS ARE UP, OBVIOUSLY HOTEL, MOTEL THE MOST AND RETAIL SECOND. MAYOR, I'M SORRY PETE, GO AHEAD. UH, BARBARA, SORT OF ADDRESSING COUNCILOR OL'S QUESTION BEFORE ABOUT STEALING FROM THE OTHER CATEGORIES BASED LODGING GETTING TOO EXPENSIVE. DOES THIS CHART POTENTIALLY INDICATE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE SEE THE GROWTH IN SALES TAX IN HOTEL MOTEL, THE 90%, WHICH IS THAT SAME KIND OF NUMBER WE SAW FROM THE BED TAX, BUT RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL ARE NOT DRAGGING AT THAT SAME PACE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT GROWING AT THE SAME PACE. NOW HOW MUCH THAT LIKE LACK OF INCREASE, IF YOU WILL, IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A, UM, AVERAGE DAILY RATE GETTING TOO HIGH? I THINK THAT'S HARD TO QUANTIFY, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA BE LOOKING AT BECAUSE I THINK WE WANNA DIVE INTO ALL OF THE NUMBERS A LITTLE MORE SO THAT WE REALLY UNDERSTAND THE DRIVERS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT REVENUE IN THE CITY AND YOU KNOW, HOW ONE REVENUE CHANGES ANOTHER. 'CAUSE I THINK AS A FINANCE PERSON, WE IN FINANCE HAVE A TENDENCY TO JUST KIND OF LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND GO, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. BUT THE REALITY IS THERE'S SO MUCH MORE THAT GOES INTO IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE A DESTINATION CITY BECAUSE EVERYTHING AFFECTS EVERYTHING ELSE. SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT. AND PLEASE GO AHEAD. ONE QUESTION THAT I JUST DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO. 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WE STARTED COLLECTING BED TAGS AT THE SHORT TERM RENTALS AROUND 2019. DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT STARTED? BECAUSE I DO WONDER IF THAT'S AN ASPECT OF WHY THAT JUMP IS SO MUCH HIGHER. DO YOU KNOW, MAYOR AND COUNSEL? I THINK IT WAS PASSED IN 2019, SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE END OF THE YEAR PROBABLY WHEN, SO IT WOULD'VE GENERALLY GONE GO INTO EFFECT IN SEPTEMBER, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN AFTER JUNE, 2019. RIGHT. SO I, THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY HUNCH IS THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT TELLING THE RIGHT STORY BECAUSE WE PRETTY MUCH DOUBLED OUR BED TAX BECAUSE OF THAT. SO MAYBE THEN THIS CHART NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED TO NOT BE 2019, BUT MAYBE TO BE 2020, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAY WE HAVE A MORE REALISTIC VIEW OR 2021 AND WE CAN LOOK, 'CAUSE 2020, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT'S GONNA TELL US. UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO CONSIDER HOW WE'RE PRESENTING THE DATA AND WHETHER THAT'S A TRUE INCREASE OR IF WE'RE INCREASING IT FROM A BASE THAT IS SORT OF ART, IT'S AN ARTIFICIAL INCREASE THAT SOME OF IT'S NOT REALITY. SO REALLY GOOD POINT. ALL RIGHT, SO WITH THAT, UM, THIS IS [02:05:01] THE SALES AND, UH, BED TAX YEAR OVER YEAR. UM, JUNE, I, I MEAN YOU CAN WORRY ABOUT JUNE IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT MONTH TO MONTH, BUT I THINK THE CRITICAL PIECE HERE IS REALLY THE PERFORMANCE YEAR OVER YEAR, WHICH IS FOR SALES TAX WE WENT FROM 31.8 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 23 TO 33.4, SO FAIR INCREASE. AND IN BED TAX WE WENT FROM 8.6 TO 9.3, SO, YOU KNOW, PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD. AND THEN BUDGET, UM, WHILE, WHILE IMPORTANT DOESN'T HAVE THAT AS AGAIN THE SAME TREND SORT OF IMPACT, UM, BUT WE DID HAVE $3 MILLION MORE THAN BUDGET. THE BUDGET WAS 30.4 FOR A SALES TAX AND THEN FOR BED TAX THE BUDGET WAS ABOUT 8 MILLION AND WE COLLECTED 9.3. SO WE'RE SEEING, UM, GOOD BUDGET PERFORMANCE AND, YOU KNOW, INCREASES IN BOTH SALES AND BED TAX. BUT I THINK THEY ARE, UM, AREAS THAT WE HAVE TO WATCH AND THAT WE HAVE TO RESEARCH MORE CLOSELY TO REALLY UNDERSTAND. UM, AND BEFORE I GO TO QUESTIONS, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WHEN I'M SAYING I'M GONNA REFORMAT THIS, IT'S REALLY BECAUSE I'M OLD AND I CAN'T SEE THE SMALL THINGS. THE DATA WE APPRECIATE THAT IS EXCELLENT AND, AND I WANT TO THANK MY TEAM FOR THEIR WORK, UM, ON THIS BECAUSE IT IS REALLY GOOD AND THE DATA THEY PRESENT IS FANTASTIC AND MY OLD EYES ARE JUST LIKE, YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE DEAL THERE NOT ANY COMPLAINT ABOUT MY TEAM'S. EXCELLENT WORK. SO WITH THAT, UM, OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? SO WE'LL START FROM MY LEFT. UH, JESSICA, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY, PETE, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, BARBARA, AND IT'S REALLY A A VERY TOP LEVEL QUESTION FOR YOU. BEING THIS IS YOUR FIRST APPEARANCE BEFORE US AND KIND OF LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS, AND I'M SURE YOU DUG IN A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU WERE INTERVIEWING, BUT HOW DOES IT FEEL NOW? YOU'RE SITTING IN THE SEAT AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS. HOW ARE YOU FEELING ABOUT SEDONA? ARE YOU FEELING THAT SUPER FISCALLY HEALTHY? ARE YOU FEELING THE SEATS GETTING HOTTER THAN YOU THOUGHT IT WAS, BUT JUST SORT OF THE TOP LEVEL, YOU KNOW, HOW'S IT LOOKING TO YOU AS A FINANCE PROFESSIONAL? I THINK THE CITY'S VERY FINANCIALLY WELL MANAGED. I THINK, UM, THIS COUNCIL, PREVIOUS COUNCILS CITY MANAGEMENT HAVE BEEN CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH TO ENSURE THAT IN A DOWNTURN LIKE COVID, LIKE UH, UH, YOU KNOW, KNOW THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN IN 2008, THAT THE CITY HAS ADEQUATE RESERVES TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS BECAUSE WE ARE ESSENTIALLY RELYING ON TWO FAIRLY VOLATILE REVENUE STREAMS, RIGHT? SALES TAX AND BED TAX. SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING MAJOR HAPPEN LIKE COVID, THEY'RE IMPACTED TREMENDOUSLY. WHEREAS IF WE WERE A PROPERTY TAX RELIANT, CITY PROPERTY TAX ARE GONNA COLLECT NO MATTER WHAT. ESSENTIALLY, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING HAPPEN LIKE 2008 AND THEN EVERYBODY'S IN A HOT MESS THAT IS PROPERTY TAX RELIANT, I WOULD NOT, AND I WANNA MAKE CLEAR, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE PROPERTY TAX, NOT AT ALL. I THINK THAT THE MANAGEMENT OF THE REVENUE IS MORE SIGNIFICANT AND MORE SOPHISTICATED IN A CITY THAT HAS A MORE VOLATILE REVENUE STREAM. AND I SEE THAT THIS CITY IS TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT WITH THEIR FINANCIAL POLICIES. SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S LOOKING QUITE GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. KATHY? BRIAN, MELISSA? SURE. SO WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT THE FACT THAT PEOPLE OFTEN NOW MIGHT BE GOING TO ELMVILLE OR COTTONWOOD OR CAMP VERDE OR EVEN FLAGSTAFF AND STAYING THERE AND THEN COMING TO SEDONA, UM, FOR THE REST OF THE TOURISM STUFF, WHEN YOU GET THERE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER NOW, BUT WHEN YOU GUYS COME BACK, I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO KNOW WHEN WE START TO TALK ABOUT THE DAY TRIPPERS AND WHO'S DOING WHAT, HOW THAT IS BEING IMPACTED BY PEOPLE STAYING OUTSIDE OF THE CITY BECAUSE OF OVERNIGHTING. THEY COME INTO THE CITY, THEY GO BACK OUT OF THE CITY, AND THEN THEY MAY COME BACK INTO THE CITY, BUT THEY'RE ALL IN ESSENCE DAY TRIPPING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT STAYING HERE. AND WHEN YOU'RE NOT STAYING HERE, THERE CAN BE A PSYCHOLOGICAL DIFFERENCE ABOUT HOW MUCH AND WHAT KINDS OF THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND ON. SO I WAS JUST SORT OF LIKE ASKING FOR YOU GUYS WHEN YOU START TO COME BACK TO SORT OF GIVE US AN IDEA. YOU'VE TOLD US OTHER THINGS ALREADY ABOUT WHERE WE'RE SEEING PEOPLE COMING FROM, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE AN ODD BEHAVIOR AND IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE A LOT OF MULTI-DAY INDIVIDUALS STAYING HERE, BUT THEY KIND OF LOOK LIKE DAYTRIPPERS TO US WITH THE GEOLOCATION MODELS [02:10:01] THAT ARE USED. THEM STAYING IN CAMP VERDE WOULDN'T CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE REPORT ON THEM AS ENTERING THE DESTINATION. UM, WE'D HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO DRAW SOME NEW POLYGONS TO REALLY ANALYZE THAT, BUT I, YOUR POINT'S NOT LOST THAT. UM, IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF VISITOR IF THEY'RE NOT STAYING HERE. AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. ALRIGHT. I GUESS WE ARE JUST DOING COMMENTS NOW, RIGHT? NO, I HAVEN'T DONE QUESTIONS. OKAY. I'VE GOT COMMENTS. SO I'LL HOLD NO, GO AHEAD. VICE MA'AM. SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. FIRST, ARE YOU USING 2 20 19 BECAUSE IT'S A FIVE YEAR ANALYSIS OR, 'CAUSE IT'S A PRE COVID ANALYSIS? ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE THE IDEA WAS TO HAVE A FIVE YEAR ANALYSIS. UM, BUT GIVEN WHAT ANDREW BROUGHT UP WITH, WHEN DID THE BED TAX AT ITS CURRENT RATE GO INTO EFFECT? I THINK WE NEED TO REEVALUATE IF 2019 IS REALLY THE APPROPRIATE, UM, STARTING POINT FOR THAT MM-HMM, AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S MORE A MONTH OVER MONTH AND A YEAR OVER YEAR. IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE USING 2019, LIKE WHEN IN, IN FISCAL 2019 DID THIS HAPPEN, WHEN YOU, THOSE THINGS LIKE WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT'S DIFFERENT AND WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? OR MAYBE WE ADJUST IT FOR WHAT THE BED TAX RATE WAS AFTER. AND WE SAY, WELL IF IT WAS THIS, THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. WELL, WE ENTERED INTO THE CONTRACT WITH THE CHAMBER IN 2014 AND THAT'S AROUND WHEN THE BED TAX WAS INCREASED. BUT THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE SHORT TERM RENTALS. NO, NO IT DID NOT. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE FLAT YEARS, 20 14 56, THAT'S THE CHAMBER CONTRACT, THAT'S THE, THE MARKETING THAT WAS THE INCREASE IN MARKETING DOLLARS THAT THE CITY STARTED TO SPEND. AND IT'S PRETTY FLAT, BUT IT'S HIGHER. THAT'S OCCUPANCY. AND I YOU WANT ME TO GO BACK RIGHT? BUT IS, AND, AND, AND I, YOU WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN ME, BUT I DO BELIEVE OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL INVENTORY HAS GONE UP. NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS, I'M JUST TALKING. NO, BUT YEAH, I AM BECAUSE IT INCREASED OUR SUPPLY OF LODGING. SO VISITATION ARGUABLY IS DIFFERENT THAN OCCUPANCY ON THIS CHART BECAUSE THIS IS JUST LOOKING AT HOTEL OCCUPANCY AND AS LODGING SUPPLY HAS GONE UP, WE'VE SEEN HOTEL OCCUPANCY TREND DOWN. 'CAUSE WE'VE OPENED UP ADDITIONAL TYPES OF LODGING THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY TAKEAWAY FROM THIS. BUT I DO THINK THERE WAS STRONG CONSISTENT MARKETING DURING THOSE YEARS BECAUSE WE SAW PRETTY FLAT OCCUPANCY, WHICH TELLS ME SOMETHING WAS WORKING. SO DO YOU HAVE A, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS ON THE DAAS, NOT SURE WE'RE ALL IN SYNC. SO I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHAT YOUR TAKE IS. DO YOU THINK THAT BUILDING MORE HOTELS DECREASE THE SHORT TERM RENTALS? WOW, GOOD QUESTION. DEPENDS ON THE HOTELS. WOULD BE, I KIND OF ONE FACTOR THERE. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I COMMUNICATE WITH OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL LISTING PROVIDERS. I DO THINK SEDONA IS PERFORMING DIFFERENTLY THAN I'M SEEING SHORT-TERM RENTALS PERFORM NATIONALLY, WHICH IS THAT SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERFORMANCE AT LARGE IS SORT OF GOING DOWN. AND THAT COULD BE BECAUSE THE MARKET GOT FLUSHED WITH THEM, BUT WE'RE NOT SEEING THAT TREND IN SEDONA. SO WHEN I LOOK AT LIKE THE KEY DATA NATIONAL REPORT, IT'S, I'M SEEING A DIFFERENT OUTCOME HERE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, SEDONA IS PRETTY UNIQUE WHEN IT COMES TO BE A TOURISM DESTINATION. UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRAVELERS STAY IN DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROPERTIES. UM, I DO THINK THAT HAVING STRONG HOTEL PRODUCT THAT'S OF A HIGH QUALITY, AND I'LL JUST KIND OF PLUG THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT GOT MICHELIN KEYS MM-HMM. , UM, ARE GREAT EXAMPLES OF HIGH QUALITY LODGING PROPERTIES. I DO THINK THAT CREATES A REALLY POSITIVE ALTERNATIVE TO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. I WILL SAY THAT I, I WAS REALLY SURPRISED HAVING VISITED ONE OF THOSE KEYS. SO FOR BENEFIT OF EVERYBODY, EL PORTEL GOT A ONE KEY AND AMTE GOT A TWO KEY AND THREE KEY IS THE HIGHEST. AND THIS IS A NEW CATEGORY THAT MICHELIN HAS JUST CREATED. WHEN I DID A TOUR RECENTLY OF AMTE QUESTION, I WAS, YES, I WAS REALLY SURPRISED AT THE GUEST PROFILE. SO THEY WERE, THEY WERE MUCH YOUNGER THAN I WAS EXPECTING. SO DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT? [02:15:02] DID YOU EXPECT IT? I THINK IT'S A FANTASTIC PROPERTY. . IT IS A FANTASTIC PROPERTY. I GUESS THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENT. THEY'VE ALSO DONE A LOT OF WORK, UM, WITH INFLUENCERS. UM, AND SO TARGETING A MILLENNIAL, ET CETERA, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR TARGET AUDIENCE IS, BUT I CAN SAY IF YOU'RE WORKING WITH AN INFLUENCER, THEN THE EYES THAT ARE ON THAT ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE YOUNGER. UM, SO PERHAPS THEIR MARKETING IS WORKING. WORKING. THANKS. OKAY. KATHY AND THEN JESSICA. THANK YOU MAYOR. TAKE QUESTIONS. UM, YES, I, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE AVERAGE ANNUAL TRADITIONAL HOTEL OCCUPANCY SLOT, YET, THAT'S THE ONE, UM, WHAT THE HOTEL RESIDENTS IN THE, THE COURTYARD, THE RESIDENTS IN AND AMANTE ARE THE NEWEST HOTELS. I'M NOT MISSING ANY RIGHT. THAT, THAT IN SEDONA, THESE NUMBERS OF THE OCCUPANCY ARE RELATED TO THE NUMBER OF HOTEL ROOMS. SO THE FACT THAT MORE HOTEL ROOMS CAME ON, HOW DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT IS IMPACTING THIS SLIDE AND IN WHAT YEARS CAN WE SEE THAT? I'D LIKE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE IF, YOU KNOW, WE HAD 50 ROOMS AND THIS OCCUPANCY, BUT THEN WE JUMPED UP TO 75 ROOMS. I'M JUST MAKING UP NUMBERS HERE, FOR EXAMPLE. I, I I JUST, HOW, HOW, HOW CAN THIS BE REFLECTED? BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, PART OF THE STORY IS HOW MANY HOTEL ROOMS ARE AVAILABLE AT A GIVEN TIME IN THE YEAR. IN THE YEAR? YEP. UM, I CAN GET BACK TO YOU ALL ON THE EXACT NUMBER THAT'S IN THE SMITH TRAVEL. I JUST DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. BUT, UM, I DO BELIEVE IT'S SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO 2,500. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN ADDITIONAL HUNDRED AND SOMETHING ROOMS. I THINK THAT WOULD COME FROM THOSE THREE PROPERTIES. POTENTIALLY. I'M, BUT NO, IT'S MORE THAN THAT. OKAY. BUT IT'S, IT, YES, MORE SUPPLY WOULD DECREASE OCCUPANCY IF VISITATION REMAINED FLAT. I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOTICEABLE, BUT THAT'S MORE NOTICEABLE I GUESS TO ME. YEAH, I'D, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE IF YOU COULD, UM, SOME CORRELATION JUST, JUST TO, JUST TO KNOW, TO SATISFY THE CURIOSITY OF IF THAT, HOW THAT IMPACTS. THANK YOU. KATHY, WOULD IT HELP IF WE PUT MAYBE THE NUMBER OF AVAILABLE ROOMS? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT. WE DON'T, BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT'S CHAMBER DATA. MM. UM, CAN I ANSWER THE QUESTION FOR A SEC? YEAH. PACKET PAGES TWO 30 AND 2 31. SHOW THE HISTORICAL TIMELINE WHERE THOSE ADDITIONAL HOTEL PROPERTIES HAVE COME ONLINE. SO YOU CAN, I THINK THAT GETS AT YOUR QUESTION, COUNSELOR KINSELLA. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S ONE THAT'S HARD TO READ. . YEAH, FOR SURE. I WENT RIGHT PAST IT, SO THERE YOU GO. Y'ALL. THANK YOU BRIAN. Y'ALL FEEL ME ON THAT, BUT IT'S LIKE HARD TO READ JESSICA AND THEN WE'LL, UH, GO INTO COMMENTS AND MOVE ON. GO AHEAD. WELL, I WOULD START WITH SORT OF A QUESTION, COMMENT THEN AS A TRANSITION. NO. UM, COULD WE GO TO COMMENTS JUST A MOMENT? UM, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE, IN THE PAST, IN THE RECENT PAST, THERE IS NO LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF HOTELS WHO WANNA COME HERE AND THINK THEY CAN MAKE IT. I MEAN, I THINK IF WE ACTUALLY SAID THAT HOTELS, IF WE ACTUALLY WERE APPROVING ALL THE HOTELS, THERE WOULD BE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYTHING BUT HOTELS WOULD BE BUILT. AND I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME METRICS THAT SAYS THE 60 AND 65% OCCUPANCY. UM, I'M NOT SURE. AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU'RE, I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S NOT A CORRELATION BETWEEN THE NUMBER OF HOTELS THAT THINK THEY CAN MAKE IT HERE AND THE NUMBER OF SHORT TERM RENTALS THEY THINK, I DON'T THINK IT'S A CAUSE AND EFFECT, OR I DON'T, AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU ON THIS TO MAKE IT A QUESTION. I, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT MORE HOTELS MAKE MORE SHORT TERM RENTALS, BUT MY SENSE IS THAT IT COULD BE THAT THE CONDITION OF SEDONA INCREASES BOTH THAT, THAT THE CAUSE AND EFFECT IS BECAUSE OF SEDONA, NOT BECAUSE OF MORE HOTEL ROOMS. OKAY, THAT'S A QUESTION. OH, OKAY. SO I WONDERED IF THEY, IF THEY EVEN, THEY DON'T SAY MER TO ANSWER. SO I'LL MOVE ON TO COMMENTS. OKAY. SO WHY DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT TO WORK OUR WAY DOWN ? I PASS FOR THE MOMENT. I MIGHT COME BACK. OKAY, PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. YEAH, BARBARA, YOU SAID IT AND I JUST WANT TO ECHO IT. IN A SALES TAX DRIVEN COMMUNITY, THEY'RE TRICKIER TO MANAGE BUDGETS AND JUST [02:20:01] FISCALLY ALL TOGETHER. AND SO THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT WORK, I THINK, FOR THIS COUNCIL TO STAY ABREAST ON AND TO LOOK AT THIS DATA AND TO BE AWARE OF THE TRENDS. SO I APPRECIATE THIS, THIS KIND OF WORK. THANK YOU, KATHY. UH, NO THANK YOU, BRIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU KNOW, COMING BACK TO THE TRADITIONAL HOTEL OCCUPANCY CHART THERE, THE WHAT IMPRESSES UPON ME, AND IT COMES BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THE A DR GETTING TOO HIGH AND, AND ARE WE COOKING THE GOLDEN GOOSE HERE? AND IS IT DRIVING PEOPLE TO STAY IN COTTONWOOD INSTEAD OR WHATNOT? I I SAY THE ANSWER'S NO, THAT IT'S NOT DRIVING PEOPLE OUT OF TOWN OR IT'S NOT COSTING THE, THE LOCAL MARKET. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE HIGH WATERMARK THAT RAN FROM 2014 TO 2019, YOU'RE RIGHT AT THAT 67 PLUS PERCENT. AND THEN OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, YOU'RE AVERAGING ABOUT 63% BY MY EYEBALL. AND SO TO LOSE FOUR POINTS WHILE IN THAT TIME, THE NUMBER OF SHORT TERM RENTALS SKYROCKETED IN TOWN REALLY SPEAKS WELL TO THE RESILIENCE OF THE TRADITIONAL HOTEL PRODUCT, EVEN WITH THE HIGH AVERAGE TICKET TO STAY AT IT. SO I DON'T THINK THE CONCERN ABOUT HOW MUCH HOTELS CHARGE TO ME IS MORE ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DETRIMENTAL EFFECT TO THE OTHER SPEND CATEGORIES IN TOWN AS OPPOSED TO THOSE DOLLARS NOT COMING HERE AT ALL. THAT'S, THAT'S MY TAKE RIGHT NOW. SO, AND I DO LOOK FORWARD TO THE STR DATA BEING PART OF THIS GOING FORWARD SINCE WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT IT AND IT'S NOT IN HERE. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND YOU MEANT SHORT TERM RENTAL, RIGHT? NOT SMITH TRAVEL RESEARCH, NOT WHAT, RIGHT, RIGHT. UN UNFORTUNATE SIMILAR ACRONYM, RIGHT? THEY DON'T LIKE TO MAKE IT EASY. SMITH TRAVEL RESEARCH, I THINK WAS AROUND WELL BEFORE THE TERM SHORT-TERM RENTAL WAS. SO THANK YOU MAYOR ALYSSA, SIR. WELL, I'VE SAID MY PIECE ON MY CONCERNS AROUND HOTELS AND WHY I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE LEAVING, WHICH ENDS UP HAVING THE SAME EFFECT AS WHAT COUNSELOR FOLTZ IS TALKING ABOUT. PEOPLE AREN'T SPENDING AS MUCH HERE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT SPENDING AS MUCH TIME HERE. BUT, UM, YOU'LL SORT THAT OUT. YOU'LL BRING US BACK THE DATA. SO GENERALLY MY COMMENT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TEAM ALWAYS SEEMS TO DO A REALLY GOOD JOB AND IT'S ALWAYS IMPRESSIVE. THIS IS A COMPLICATED CITY. WE HAVE COMPLICATED NUMBERS, WE HAVE COMPLICATED CATEGORIES. UM, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO PUT THEMSELVES IN INTERESTING CATEGORIES, UM, FOR THEIR, THEIR BUSINESSES. AND, UH, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN HANDLED REALLY WELL. UM, I AGREE IT WOULD BE NICE TO NOT HAVE ALL THIS ON ONE PAGE, UM, BUT YOU'LL HANDLE THAT. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE, UM, COMMUNICATIONS AND TOURISM GROUP IS ALSO NOW JOINING IN BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WITHOUT THE TOURISM, WE DON'T HAVE THE TAXES. SO I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU WORKING TOGETHER, UM, IN ORDER TO BRING US THIS INFORMATION AND TO KEEP OUR RESIDENTS AND OURSELVES INFORMED. SO THANK YOU. THANKS, MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO THAT I REALLY AM HAPPY TO SEE TOURISM AND FINANCE INTEGRATED HERE WITH THIS RESPONSE. I THINK THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD MOVE. THANK YOU, ANNETTE. THANK YOU, BARBARA. THANK YOU LAUREN AND ANDREW. I, I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR LACK OF ECONOMIC DIVERSITY. AND SO I THINK TRENDS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US. EVENTUALLY, A RECESSION'S GONNA HIT SOMEWHERE OR ANOTHER. IT ALWAYS DOES OVER TIME. AND WHILE WE ARE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE, WE ARE TOTALLY RELIANT ON ONE INDUSTRY FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR ALL THE SPINOFFS OF, OF EVERYTHING THAT WE GET REVENUE FROM. SO INCLUDED IN THE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS, IT WOULD BE, WE USED TO GET A REPORT FROM P*****K ABOUT WHAT THEY, HOW THEY SAW RECESSIONS, AND WHEN THEY WERE PROJECTING RECESSIONS. AND WHEN WE DO OUR ANNUAL BUDGET, WE FACTOR SOME OF THAT IN. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MORE OFTEN THAN ONCE A YEAR. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD PROVIDE TO US, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE HOW WE COMPARE TO OTHER DESTINA, NOT COTTONWOOD AND CAMP VERDE FOR THIS PURPOSE, BUT OTHER DESTINATIONS. [02:25:01] ARE WE IN LINE? ARE WE BETTER? ARE WE WORSE? SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE A GREATER UNDERSTANDING. AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR PERFORMANCE TODAY, YOUR PRESENTATION THIS MORNING AT THE LODGING COMMITTEE. UH, I'VE NEVER HEARD THEM SAY FANTASTIC BEFORE. MAY HAVE NEVER HEARD THOSE WORDS COME OUT OF PEOPLE'S MOUTH, SO KUDOS TO YOU. YOU TOOK A DRY, THAT'S ALL I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT . SORRY, YOU TOOK, UH, OKAY. I DON'T WANT TO DWELL ON IT. EVERYTHING I WAS GONNA SAY EXCEPT FOR THE VICE MAYOR WHO WHO SAID, BUT NOW SHE SAID IT TOO. BUT, UH, THE COMMENTS I HEARD, I, I HAD TO LEAVE ALMOST TO THE END OF THE, UH, LOGIC COUNCIL MEETING. BUT FOR I HEARD ALREADY THAT THEY AGREED, THEY LIKED IT, THEY WERE IMPRESSED. I, IT'S LIKE VERY STRANGE. IT'S A GREAT THING. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS FOR PRESENTATION DISCUSSION ONLY. SO THERE'S ONE MORE QUESTION. YES, KATHY, GO AHEAD. I I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, THE CHART THAT BRIAN POINTED US TO ON UH, PAGE 230 SEEMS TO BE REGIONAL, WHEREAS I BELIEVE THIS IS JUST IN CITY DATA. IS THAT, JUST SO THAT I KNOW, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? BECAUSE THIS HAS THE WEST END, IT SEEMS TO HAVE REFERENCES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY AREA. THE CHART ON PAGE TWO 30, WESTIN IS NOT WITHIN THE CITY OF SEDONA, AND BUT THIS, THIS CHART IS CITY ONLY. IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO. UM, BUT GIVEN THAT IN AT LEAST ONE OF THESE, WE'VE GOT A HOTEL THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE CITY, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU, LET ME KIND OF LOOK INTO WHERE THE DATA IS, THE POLYGONS, IF YOU WILL. I LOVE, I LOVE THAT WORD. MM-HMM. , UM, TO KIND OF DETERMINE THAT WE'RE PICKING UP ONLY WHAT WE WANT TO PICK UP AND NOT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. YEAH, AND THIS COULD BE, THIS I'M PUTTING AT THE SLIDE THAT'S ON YOUR SCREEN. UM, THIS COULD BE 8, 6 3, 3 6 DATA. I DON'T KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT. BUT IN THAT CASE, UM, I CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU THAT IT'S ONLY INSIDE CITY LIMITS. FOR EXAMPLE, IT COULD BE ENCHANTMENT, IT COULD BE A HOTEL, UM, IN THE CANYON, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE THE VILLAGE. THE THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE IF THIS CHART THEN SHOWS, UM, ROOMS THAT CAME IN OUTSIDE THE AREA, IT'S NOT RELEVANT FOR THE COMPARISON THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR BEFORE. SO, UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. JUST CLARIFICATION. IN THE FUTURE, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT THE SMITH TRAVEL RESEARCH THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY REPORTING IS THE TOURISM PROGRAM. UM, WE'RE GETTING TWO DIFFERENT FEEDS. WE HAVE A SEDONA PLUS AND A VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK PLUS, UM, THE SEDONA PLUS INCLUDES OAK CREEK CANYON PROPERTIES AS WELL AS IN AS WELL AS ENCAMPMENT. AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO TAKE THOSE OUT AND STILL REPORT 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF, AND WE CAN'T GO, WE CAN'T BREAK THAT DOWN DEEPER. MM-HMM, . OKAY. THANK YOU KATHY FOR BRINGING THAT UP. MM-HMM. . OKAY. ITEM [8.d. AB 3120 Discussion/possible action regarding an Ordinance amending Sedona City Code Title 13 (Public Service and Utilities) Division I Wastewater, amending Chapter 13.05 Definitions, Sewer Availability, and other miscellaneous amendments. (First Meeting) ] D. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. AN ANNETTE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, BARBARA. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE DIRECTION. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. NO PROBLEM. ITEM D, AB 30 20, UH, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE IN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE SEDONA CITY CODE TITLE 13 PUBLIC SERVICE AND UTILITIES DIVISION WASTEWATER AMENDING CHAPTER 13.05 DEFINITIONS, SEWER AVAILABILITY IN OTHER MISCELLANEOUS AMENDMENTS. THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING. THIS'LL BE ANDY ORNETTE OR JUST ANDY. SORRY, MINE CLOSED. JUST ANDY. OKAY. I MIGHT HAVE JUST GO TO THE WALL. SURE, GO AHEAD. I'M TRYING TO PULL YOUR PRESENTATION UP. I'LL, I'LL UNMUTE IT ONCE I GET IT UP. A PRESENTATION. YEAH. HERE IT'S, IT STILL JUST ACCIDENTALLY CLOSED IT EARLIER WHEN THE HOSPITAL WAS HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, VICE MAYOR, DO WE WANNA WAIT UNTIL THE MAYOR GETS BACK OR PROCEED? YEAH, GO AHEAD. PROCEED. ANDY, I'LL PROCEED. YEAH, PROCEED. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO WE'RE PRESENTING SOME CHANGES TO SEDONA CITY CODE TITLE 13. THESE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT ROXANNE AND I HAVE LOOKED AT FOR MANY YEARS NOW, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS COMFORTABLE COVERING FOR HER WHEN SHE NEEDED TO BE OUTTA THE OFFICE TONIGHT. THE FIRST CHANGE TO CODE HERE IS ABOUT THE DE DEFINITION OF SEWER AVAILABILITY. CURRENTLY, THE [02:30:01] WAY THE DEFINITION IS WRITTEN IN THE CODE, IT'S A LITTLE FAR REACHING. YOU MIGHT SAY IT REQUIRES PARCELS TO CONNECT TO, UH, OUR SEWER SYSTEM FROM LONG DISTANCES IN THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN. AND WE FELT THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD THAT, THAT CHANGE TONIGHT. WHAT YOU WILL FIND IS THAT THE ARE 25 PARCELS THAT WILL NO LONGER BE REQUIRED TO CONNECT BASED ON THIS NEW DEFINITION OF SEWER AVAILABILITY. MANY OF THOSE PARCELS WOULD HAVE TO COVER A REALLY LONG DISTANCE FOR A, A SEWER MAIN EXTENSION. AND IT'S REALLY NOT FEASIBLE TO HAVE THOSE FOLKS, UM, MAKE THAT EXTENSION. OKAY. VICE MAYOR? YES. ANDY, BEFORE YOU GO ON. MM-HMM. . SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM YOU'RE SOLVING FOR? IS IT YOU'RE AFRAID THAT WE WERE WORRIED THAT THERE ARE PARCELS ARE BEING UNDEVELOPED BECAUSE THE FEES WERE TOO HIGH? IS IT A FAIRNESS ISSUE? IS IT A YOU WANNA SEE DEVELOPMENT ISSUE? IS IT, IT'S, IT'S WHAT WHAT'S THE PROBLEM YOU'RE GOING AFTER? IT'S REALLY A FAIRNESS ISSUE. UM, IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE NEEDED TO APPLY THIS CODE BECAUSE IT EXISTED AS IT DID, UM, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, A PERSON WOULD BE A LOT OF TIMES FORCED TO BE IN A, A NON-COMPLIANT SITUATION. SO THEY MIGHT, THERE, THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE WOULD CHOOSE TO BE ON ENVIRONMENTAL PENALTY AND GO THAT ROUTE VERSUS MAKING A CONNECTION BECAUSE IT WAS ACTUALLY FINANCIALLY SMARTER TO DO THAT. AND I, I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE INTENDED WHEN WE CREATED OUR CODES, UM, IN TITLE 13, WAS TO CREATE THIS KIND OF HARDSHIP IS REALLY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, IS SOLVING THAT. UM, AND, AND, AND THEN YOU NEED TO BALANCE THAT WITH THAT POTENTIALLY WE'D INCENT, THAT'S NOT THE GOOD WORD, THESE PARCELS TO DEVELOP, BUT THEY WOULD BE USING WATER BUT NOT OUR SEWER SYSTEM. AND POTENTIALLY WITH A FAILURE OF A SEPTIC SYSTEM RIGHT. DOING SOME DAMAGE TO THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, THAT, THAT IS THE RISK. UM, YOU KNOW, THE VERY EXISTENCE OF THE CITY STARTED WITH NEEDING TO CREATE THE SEWER SYSTEM AND PROTECT OAK CREEK AND GET AWAY FROM SEPTIC SYSTEMS THAT WERE FAILING AT THAT TIME. UM, THE REALITY IS THAT THE CITY IS IN A MUCH BETTER PLACE TODAY THAN WE WERE BACK THEN. UM, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF, OF WHAT WE HAVE FOR PROPERTIES THAT CAN CONNECT ARE, UM, AS I, AS I MENTIONED WITH THIS REALLY ONLY IMPACTING 25 PARCELS. IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY MINOR IMPACT. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'VE LOOKED AT SITUATIONS WHERE A PERSON WOULD NEED TO MAKE A SEWER MAIN EXTENSION THAT, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING OVER 500 FEET LONG, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A SITUATION. AND THE COST OF THAT IS JUST NOT FEASIBLE FOR A PERSON TO DO THAT. UM, THERE, THERE WAS EVEN AT ONE TIME, A, A CASE WHERE SOME PROPERTIES WERE ON SEPTIC AND A NEW PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPING, THEY WANTED TO BRING IN THE SEWER, BUT THEY CHOSE NOT TO BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE, BY, BY THAT PERSON EXTENDING THE MAIN PAST A NEIGHBOR, IT WOULD'VE FORCED A NEIGHBOR TO CONNECT WHO HAD A PERFECTLY FINE SEPTIC SYSTEM. AND ACTUALLY WE HAVE A CHANGE IN THE CODE THAT'S GONNA ADDRESS THAT AS WELL, THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE, BUT YEAH. OH, SURE. OKAY. CONTINUE ON. OKAY. UM, WE WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT SUBDIVISIONS, MULTIFAMILY, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONE PARCELS WOULD NOT, UH, FIT THIS CRITERIA FOR THIS CHANGE. SO THAT WOULD STILL COMPLY WITH THE CODE AS IT'S WRITTEN, UM, TODAY. NOW THE NEXT, UM, ITEM TO BE CHANGED, ACTUALLY, I WAS GONNA SHOW, WE'RE GONNA SHOW THIS MAP HERE. THOSE 25 PARCELS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER ARE IN PINK. SO THEY'RE SORT OF SCATTERED OUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THEY'RE NOT, NOT ALL IN ONE AREA OF THE CITY. WHAT'S THAT, JESSICA? NO, I'M SAYING THE ONES THAT ARE IN PINK SEEM TO BE CLOSEST [02:35:01] TO THE CREEK. NO, A FEW OF THEM ARE CLOSE. IT'S KIND OF LIKE SOME ARE, SOME AREN'T MM-HMM. , THOSE IN THE WEST SEDONA APPEAR TO BE PRETTY FAR FROM OH YEAH. FROM THE CREEK, OBVIOUSLY, BUT YEAH, THOSE ALONG 1 79 OR IN UPTOWN ARE CLOSE TO THE CREEK. UM, AND A, A GOOD NUMBER OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY NOT DEVELOPED AS WELL. OKAY. I'LL MOVE ON. YEAH. I'M LOOKING AT, IN THE CHAPEL NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU, YOU HAVE THOSE 6 8, 2 4, 6 8 PINK. RIGHT? THAT'S ALL UNDEVELOPED LAND. RIGHT. AND THIS WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT I WAS THINKING OF THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN TRIED TO BE DEVELOPED FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THAT'S THE PROPERTY RIGHT BEHIND THE, IS IT METHODIST CHURCH? YES. IT GOES, ENDS UP AT THE METHODIST AND IT'S BEHIND INDIAN CLIFFS. AND, AND THE WAY THE CODE WAS WRITTEN, THE, THE SEWER MAIN IS ACTUALLY IN INDIAN CLIFFS THERE. SO THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IS YOU'RE CONSIDERED SEWARD IF SEWER IS AVAILABLE AT YOUR POINT OF ACCESS. SO IF YOU'RE ON A PRIVATE STREET, FOR INSTANCE, A PRIVATE ACCESS, YOUR POINT OF ACCESS WAS THE PUBLIC STREET. SO FOR FOLKS HAVE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY SUBDIVIDING THAT OR THEY'VE LOOKED AT ULTIMATELY, I, YOU KNOW, IT ENDED UP IN SPLITS. SO I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK IT'S ABOUT SIX PARCELS OR SO. RIGHT. BUT IT DOES, IT DOES BACK UP AGAINST THE METHODIST CHURCH. AND ACCORDING TO THIS, IT DOES TOUCH THE SEWER. NOW ARE THEY PAYING STANDBY FEES? YEAH, THEY WOULD BE, THEY SHOULD BE. THEY'RE SUBJECT TO STANDBY FEES RIGHT NOW. BUT YOU, YOU'RE NOT GONNA KNOW INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES. I JUST WANT. RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. BUT, BUT YEAH, THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, TO SEWER ALL OF THOSE PROPERTIES, UM, WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR AN OWNER WHO LIVED AT THE END OF THAT SYSTEM. MM-HMM. . AND THAT PERSON WOULD BE JUST AS RESPONSIBLE AS ANY OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES THERE. SO IT'S KIND OF, IT'S A HARDSHIP FOR THEM. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THOSE EIGHT PARCELS WERE TO DEVELOP, SAY, A CLUSTER, RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO, AS LONG AS THAT ACCESS, THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN WAS A PRIVATE STREET, THEY WOULD, THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE CODE WAS WRITTEN. OKAY. IF THEY CREATED A PUBLIC STREET, IT'D BE A DIFFERENT SCENARIO BECAUSE THEY WOULD LIKELY BE SUBDIVIDING AT THAT POINT. AND THIS, THEY'D BE REQUIRED TO CREATE MORE INFRASTRUCTURE THAN JUST A SIMPLE SPLIT SITUATION. GOTCHA. SO MORE, MORE LIKELY A DEVELOPER IN THAT CASE, WOULD, THE SMARTER THING TO DO WOULD BE CREATE A PUBLIC STREET AND CREATE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY, THAT THEY SHOULD FOR A PROPER SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. KATHY, IF, IF THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE THE BETTER ROUTE, THEN LEAVING THE REQUIREMENT IN PLACE WOULD FORCE THAT BETTER ROUTE. SO WHY WOULD WE WANNA DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY THE PRESSURE TO, TO DEVELOP IN THAT MANNER? WELL, BECAUSE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE SPLITS ALREADY EXIST. THERE'S, UH, A PLACE IN UPTOWN WHERE THIS HAPPENED AS WELL, THAT THE SPLITS OCCURRED MANY YEARS AGO. AND THE CITY CAN'T NECESSARILY GO BACK AND UNDO THAT AT THIS POINT. THIS IS A SIMILAR SITUATION. IT'S, IT'S LESS FEASIBLE FOR THOSE PROPERTIES TO NOW BE RECOMBINED AND REDEVELOPED BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL OWNED BY, FOR THE MOST PART DIFFERENT PEOPLE. SO IT'D BE MORE DIFFICULT FOR THAT NOW TO DEVELOP INTO A FULL ON SUBDIVISION. ANDY, WHEN YOU SAY HERE IN BULLET 0.3, SUB SEPTIC MUST BE INSPECTED REGULARLY. WHAT, WHAT DOES REGULARLY MEAN? FIVE YEARS? I, I MEAN, LET'S SEE, 10 YEARS, TWO YEARS. SO THAT'S THE NEXT SLIDE, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. OH, SO THIS IS, THIS IS GOING TO ANOTHER, UM, SECTION OF CODE WE CAN GET TO THERE? YEAH. OH, OKAY. THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE, UM, LET'S SEE, ALLOWS DEFERMENT, SO THIS IS GOING BACK TO THAT CASE THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. IF, LET ME GO BACK TO THE MAP. IF ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES YOU'RE REFERRING TO, SAY THAT IS EIGHT PARCELS, AND IT'S SOMEBODY KIND OF AT THE END OF THE SYSTEM, THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO BUILD THE SEWER MAIN, BUT MAYBE ONE OF THE PROPERTIES CLOSER TO INDIAN [02:40:01] CLIFFS HAS ALREADY DEVELOPED, HAS A BRAND NEW SEPTIC SYSTEM, THE WAY OUR CODE'S WRITTEN TODAY, THAT BRAND NEW, UH, SEPTIC SYSTEM WOULD NEED TO BE TAKEN OUT AND THEY WOULD NEED TO CONNECT TO OUR, OUR BRAND NEW SEWER LINE, YOU KNOW, THAT SEWER MAIN THAT THAT PERSON MIGHT HAVE BUILT. AGAIN, THAT'S A HARDSHIP WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE FINDING CASES WHERE PEOPLE WON'T MAKE THAT SEWER MAIN EXTENSION BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT A NEGATIVE CONDITION ON THEIR NEIGHBOR. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT MY QUESTION WAS SEPTIC. YEAH. AND I, I DIDN'T REALIZE, I'M LOOKING HERE, I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION THERE. I THOUGHT YOU WERE ON THE SAME PAGE, BUT YOU HAVE HERE, UH, FOUR, PAGE FOUR, UH, SEPTIC MUST BE INSPECTED REGULARLY TO ENSURE IT IS FUNCTIONING PROPERTY. IF WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT REGULARLY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? FOUR YEARS, FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS? SO THIS, THIS IS THE CASE OF A DEFERRAL. IN THAT CASE, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DEFER UP TO FOUR YEARS AND, UM, REGULARLY, AS I RECALL, I THINK IT'S ANNUAL THAT THEY HAVE TO PERFORM. NO, NO, NO. I'M SORRY. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE WORKED IN THIS CODE. I, I UNDERSTAND. BUT I THINK, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY EVERY TWO YEARS THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT REINSPECTED. OKAY. THANK YOU. TO ENSURE THAT IT'S WORKING PROPERLY. OKAY. KATHY AND PETE, I'M ON THAT SLIDE AS WELL AND I'M ON THE NEXT BULLET POINT. THE, OKAY, THE LAST BULLET POINT REQUIRED TO CONNECT UPON EXPIRATION OF DEFERMENT PERIOD OR FAILED INSPECTION REPORT. HOW DOES THE FAILED INSPECTION REPORT, UM, HOW DOES THAT COME TO ATTENTION THAT THERE IS A FAILED INSPECTION REPORT SO THAT THE REQUIREMENT TO CONNECT CAN BE ENACTED? SO AS PART OF THE DEFERRAL, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO, UH, FILL OUT THIS, IT'S AN A DEQ FORM. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE INSPECTION FORM. SO IF THERE CERTIFIED INSPECTOR SHOWS THAT IT FAILED THE INSPECTION, THAT THAT IS REQUIRED TO COME BACK TO THE CITY, THAT WOULD TRIGGER AND THEN YEAH, THEN OUR, OUR DIRECTION BACK TO THEM IS, YOU NEED TO CORRECT THIS. AND SOMETIMES, UM, SOMETIMES THOSE FAILURES CAN ACTUALLY BE ADDRESSED AND FIXED. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THEY JUST FIX IT. OTHERWISE THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONNECT. PETE, SO I'LL GO BACK TO MY QUESTION ABOUT WHERE'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE SOLVING? AND I THOUGHT I HEARD FROM YOU NOW ON THIS PAGE, YOU TALKED ABOUT A, A DISTANT PROPERTY WANTING TO DEVELOP AND HAVING TO RUN ALONG SEWER LINE, BUT ALONG THE WAY WE MAKE MAYBE A POTENTIALLY VERY NEW AND VERY ADEQUATE SEPTIC SYSTEM CONNECT. RIGHT. WHY DO WE DO THAT? IS THAT A FIX? WHY IS THAT WORTH JUST FIXING ITSELF? WHY DO WE REQUIRE THE REPLACEMENT OF A PERFECTLY FUNCTIONAL, WELL, BECAUSE CURRENTLY OUR CODE DOESN'T ALLOW THAT DEFERRAL. SO BY ALLOWING THE DEFERRAL NOW, WE WOULD ALLOW THEM TO NOT HAVE TO CONNECT. AND, AND WE WANT THAT PERSON WHO'S WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, INSTALL THAT TO REMAIN EXTENSION AND NOT BE ON SEPTIC. WE, WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE THAT. WE DON'T WANT A CONDITION IN OUR CODE THAT WOULD DECENTIVIZE THEM AND CAUSE THEM TO NOT WANT TO DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. BUT ISN'T THIS CHANGE SAYING THAT FAR PROPERTY CAN NOW DO A SEPTIC SYSTEM INSTEAD OF DRAGGING THE SEWER LINE OUT? WELL, WHAT IT, WHAT IT'S REALLY SAYING IS IF THAT FURTHER OUT PROPERTY WANTS TO BUILD THE SEWER MAIN AND EXTEND TO THEIR PROPERTY, BUT IT PASSES IN FRONT OF SOME OTHER PROPERTIES, IF WE FIND THAT THEY HAVE ADEQUATE, UH, SEPTIC, IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO NOT HAVE TO CONNECT IN THAT CASE. SO IT, AND WHERE YOU FIND THIS, WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN IT HAPPEN. IT'S USUALLY MORE IN A, A SHORTER MAIN EXTENSION WHERE A PERSON'S COMING IN TO INFILL AN EMPTY LOT AND THEY NEED TO MAKE, UH, SAY 150 FOOT SEWER LINE EXTENSION AND IT GOES PAST ONE OR TWO OTHER PROPERTIES, AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, YEAH, THEY WOULD BE KICKED INTO BEING REQUIRED TO CONNECT. SO I GET THAT. I CAN HEAR SOME LOGIC FOR WANTING TO IMPLEMENT A DEFERMENT AS YOU WERE CALLING THAT, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE ACTION HERE IS ALSO ALLOWING THAT ONE PERSON NOT TO DO THE SEP THE SEWER ALL TO GO AHEAD AND DO A SEPTIC. SO THE FIRST CHANGE IN THE CODE, UM, GOING BACK TO THAT IS YEAH, THIS, THIS PREVIOUS CHANGE, THIS IS, OH, SORRY, THIS IS SETTING THE LIMIT TO 300 FEET. THAT'S WHAT WE FELT IS, IS MORE REASONABLE RIGHT NOW. THERE [02:45:01] IS NO CAP ON HOW LONG THAT MIGHT BE. SO THAT'S REALLY, I SHOULD HAVE POINTED OUT, THE MORE KEY, UM, CHANGE HERE IS THAT, UH, 300 FOOT, UM, CAP ON THE REQUIREMENT. SO IF A PERSON WAS AT 700 FEET TODAY, THAT'S, THAT'S A, A REALLY LONG MAIN EXTENSION FOR, FOR A SINGLE PROPERTY TO HAVE TO CONNECT. BUT THAT CONDITION EXISTED WHEN THEY BOUGHT IT, OR MAYBE IT DID. PETE, YOU GOOD? YEP. THANK YOU, JESSICA. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION IS OUR, IS OUR STANDARD POLICY THAT WE WANT PEOPLE TO CONNECT RATHER THAN DO SEPTICS? WE, WE WANT THEM TO CONNECT. UM, BUT I THINK THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE AFTER HERE IS TO MAKE IT FEASIBLE. NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE GUY WHO'S WILLING TO PUT THE LINE IN WHILE HE MIGHT DECIDE TO DO A SEPTIC, BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT INCONVENIENCE HIS NEIGHBOR. THIS CHANGE ALLOWS HIM TO PUT IT IN AND WITHOUT INCON INCONVENIENT IN ORDER TO GET THE GREATER GOAL OF GETTING PEOPLE ON THE SEWER. RIGHT. IF I MAY THE MAYOR. YEAH. BUT IT WILL, THE, THE FIRST I WAS THE MAYOR OH, ASKING I KNOW WHAT YOU MEANT. THANK YOU, . BUT, SO I HEAR WHAT YOU SAID, BUT IN REALITY, THE FIRST CHANGE THAT PERSON IS GONNA PUT IN THE SEPTIC BECAUSE IT'S WAY LESS EXPENSIVE, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY ALLOWING MORE SEPTIC TO BE CREATED. WELL, YES, WE ARE. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS OUR OVERRIDING GOAL IS BEING ADJUSTED TO ENSURE MORE EQUITY AMONG PROPERTY OWNERS. IS THAT ACCURATE, ANDY? YEAH. I MEAN, THE REALITY IS THAT SOME OF THESE LONG DISTANCES ARE JUST NOT REASONABLE AND IT'S, IT IS CAUSING MAYBE SOME PROPERTIES TO NOT BE DEVELOPED OR MM-HMM. , UM, GOING ON TO ENVIRONMENTAL PENALTY OR THOSE SORTS OF THINGS TO AVOID CONNECTING TO THE SYSTEM. AND THAT'S, ARE YOU I GOOD, JESSICA. OKAY. UM, I RIGHT. BRIAN, ANYTHING? OKAY, CONTINUE ON. ANDY, I'M SORRY. OH, KATHY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, ON THIS, ON THAT SAME SLIDE. OKAY. I'M LOOKING FOR THE RED LINE LANGUAGE IN OF, BECAUSE IT'S CHAPTER 13.0 5.020 SAYING THE REQUIRED REGARDING THE LAST TWO BULLET POINTS. AND I'M NOT MAKING THE CONNECTION TO THE RED LINE LANGUAGE IN THE DOCUMENT. KURT, CAN YOU HELP POINT ME THAT PLEASE? YEAH. SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, SO PREVIOUSLY, UM, THERE WAS A DEFERRED, UH, A DEFERRAL AGREEMENT, UH, THAT EXISTED AND COUNCIL THAT ADOPTED IT IN THE CODE, AND I WAS ACTUALLY JUST LOOKING AT IT. IT WAS TAKEN OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND IT DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE, THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION IN THERE. RIGHT. UM, BUT THE NEW AGREEMENT WOULD JUST BE SUBJECT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S, UH, APPROVAL OF CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND SO I'VE BEEN TAKING NOTES AND WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE PUMP BEING OR INSPECTIONS DONE EVERY TWO YEARS, IF, IF THEN THE REPORT'S TURNED IN. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE DEFERRAL AGREEMENT IS THE PLAN GOING FORWARD. SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE THERE, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK TO ADD NEW LANGUAGE INTO 1305 OH, NOT INTO THE CODE. THE, YEAH, SO THERE'S, IT'S IN THERE ALREADY. UM, THAT THE DEFERRAL AGREEMENT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE CAN THEN PUT, UM, ALL OF THE, THE, THOSE TYPE OF REQUIREMENTS IN THERE THAT ROXANNE'S INTENDING TO PUT IN. OKAY. I JUST DON'T WANT THEM TO FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS. THEY ARE ONE, UH, THE WASTEWATER DIRECTOR ROXANNE'S ON TOP OF IT, AND SHE'S HAS IDEAS OF WAYS TO IMPROVE IT FROM INITIALLY AND THEN TWO, UM, ALTHOUGH I HAVEN'T YET REVIEWED THE DEFERRAL AGREEMENT, I WILL, IF THIS IS SOMETHING TO IMPROVE BY COUNCIL AND IN FACT WE COULD BRING BACK A DRAFT AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IF THAT WOULD, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. YEAH. IT NOT, NOT TO ADOPT INTO THE ORDINANCE LIKE LAST NIGHT. 'CAUSE THAT THEN IT KIND OF STUCK IT IN THE PAST AND IT WAS, UH, WASN'T WORKING, UH, THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. AND SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY ON THE AGREEMENT. UH, BUT WE CAN BRING BACK A DRAFT FOR COUNCIL'S REVIEW OF THE NEXT FOR THE THANK YOU. PUT IT IN THE NEXT PACKET. THANK YOU. CONTINUE ON AND, OKAY. LET'S SEE. BELIEVE, OKAY, COUPLE MORE SLIDES HERE. THE NEXT CODE CHANGE. UM, LET ME GET TO MY NOTES HERE. SO THIS, THIS CODE CHANGE REQUIRES BACKWATER VALVES TO BE INSTALLED IF THERE'S AN ELEVATION DIFFERENCE OF 12 INCHES BETWEEN THEIR LOWEST DRAIN FIXTURE AND [02:50:01] THEIR IN THEIR STRUCTURE VERSUS THE UPSTREAM MANHOLE, UM, PROVIDING SEWER SERVICE TO THAT PROPERTY. UH, THE EXISTING CODE STATES IT'S ONLY REQUIRED FOR A FOUR INCH DIFFERENCE. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST AN ARBITRARY NUMBER BEFORE. UM, ROXANNE HAS LOOKED AT THIS AND SHE FEELS LIKE THAT 12 INCH PROVIDES GREATER PROTECTION FOR THE OWNER AND JUST MAKES MORE SENSE TO GO TO THAT NUMBER VERSUS THE FOUR INCH. SO IT'S, IT'S A MINOR CHANGE, BUT, UM, SOMETHING SHE FELT LIKE SHE WANTED TO INCLUDE HERE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? SEEING NONE. OKAY. LET'S SEE. THE NEXT CODE CHANGE IS ALSO RELATED TO, UM, BACKWATER VALVES. THIS CLARIFIES THAT THESE VALVES NEED TO BE INSTALLED WHEN A REMODEL OR ADDITION IS MADE IF ONE DOES NOT EXIST VERSUS JUST SAYING WHEN THIS CODE IS EFFECTIVE. SO, ALL RIGHT. NO QUESTIONS. THEN THERE'S SOME MORE MINOR, UH, MISCELLANEOUS CHANGES TO THE CODE HERE. UM, ONE IS THAT THE CITY CAN ACCEPT SEPTIC DISPOSAL BUT IS NOT OBLIGATED TO, UM, CURRENTLY THAT'S NOT REALLY ADDRESSED IN THE CODE. SO SHE WANTED THAT CLARIFIED. AND THEN A CODE CHANGE, ALLOWING THE DIRECTOR TO CHANGE FREQUENCY OF GREASE TRAP MAINTENANCE, OBSERVATION AND TESTING. AND THEN FINALLY, UM, SHE INCLUDED A REMOVAL OF PER SEAT BILLING FOR RESTAURANTS. UM, WHILE WE ALREADY HAVE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WATER-BASED, UM, BILLING AVAILABLE, THAT, THAT'S THE FINAL CHANGE THERE. YEAH, THE FIRST BULLET, THE, THE CITY MAY ACCEPT SEPAGE FOR DISPOSAL, SO WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT NOW. SO THERE'S NO POLICY ABOUT DOING THAT. SO IS THAT WE'RE GONNA ALLOW THE CITY TO DO THIS. THEY WILL CREATE A POLICY THAT WILL SEE, OR IS THIS JUST IN ROXANNE'S? THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT TODAY IS THAT WE WILL ACCEPT IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO CODE THAT ADDRESSES IT. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTED HERE WAS JUST SOMETHING IN THERE SAYING WHETHER WE CAN ALLOW IT OR WE CAN, I THINK WHAT SHE WANTED TO ADDRESS IS THE TIMES WE, WHEN WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY WE DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT SEPTIC TODAY FOR WHATEVER REASON. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY BE HAVING ISSUES IN OUR SYSTEM AND SAYING, HEY, TODAY IS NOT GOOD, KIND OF THING. SO SHE WANTS THE ABILITY TO, UM, BE ABLE TO TURN THEM AWAY. SO WILL THAT THINKING BE FORMALIZED IN A POLICY OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT THEN BECOMES COMMON KNOWLEDGE? OR IS THIS GONNA BE STILL A JUST A CODE, UH, UNKNOWN DECISION PROCESS? UM, MAYOR JALO AND COUNSELOR FURMAN, UM, I'M NOT DEEPLY FAMILIAR WITH OUR TREATMENT PLANT HERE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN EUGENE AND SPRINGFIELD, UM, THAT THERE WERE TIMES WHEN MAINTENANCE WAS HAPPENING OR THERE WERE ISSUES WITH THE DIGESTIVE SYSTEM, THE BUGS, SO TO SPEAK, IN THE SYSTEM, UM, THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE A REASON TO SAY, NO, WE CAN'T ACCEPT. AND SO I THINK ROXANNE COULD EASILY DEVELOP SOME CRITERIA OR SOME GUIDANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND OR THE HAULERS WOULD UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, TO DUMP THERE. UM, YEAH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY. SURE. AND I BE, I BET THERE ARE, AND I WOULD JUST THINK WOULD BEHOOVE ALL OF US FOR US HER TO DEVELOP SOMETHING SO SHE CAN NOW POINT AT IT AND EVERYONE ELSE CAN LOOK AT IT TOO AND UNDERSTAND. YEP. SO SURE. ON THE SAME QUESTION, SO I UNDERSTAND THIS A LITTLE BIT, IS THAT FOR THE SEPTIC CLEANING TRUCKS, THE BIG TANKS THAT DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY YES. SO THEY WOULD BE IS THAT I NEVER KNEW WHERE THEY DUMP DUMPED IT? YES. YEAH. MM-HMM. . SO NOT, BUT IT COULD ALSO BE LIKE AN RV THAT WANTS TO DISPOSE. THEY WOULD AN RV KNOW TO EVEN GO TO OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT'S GATED AND SECURED. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. RIGHT. BUT THE LOCAL COMPANIES KNOW THAT THEY COULD COME. YEAH, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? OKAY, THIS IS FIRST, UH, FIRST MEETING FOR DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION ONLY. [02:55:01] ALRIGHT, ANDY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [8.e. AB 3097 Discussion/possible action regarding an Ordinance amending the Sedona City Code Title 10 (Vehicles and Traffic), Section 10.15.040 (Speed Limits); and the voluntary agreement with local OHV rental companies and the improper motor vehicle equipment ordinance. (Second Meeting) ] OKAY, ITEM E DIS UH, AB 30 97 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE ORDINANCE AMENDING THE SEDONA CITY CODE TITLE 10 VEHICLE AND TRAFFIC SECTION TEN FIVE ZERO FOUR ZERO SPEED LIMITS, AND THE VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT WITH LOCAL OHE RENTAL COMPANIES AND THE IMPROPER MOTOR VEHICLE EQUIPMENT ORDINANCE. THIS IS A SECOND MEETING. THIS WOULD BE KURT. YES. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. SO THIS IS THE SECOND MEETING ON THE PROPOSED, UH, OHV SPEED LIMIT ORDINANCE. UH, IT HAS NOT CHANGED FROM THE FIRST MEETING. OUR CODE REQUIRES US TO HAVE TWO MEETINGS. UM, THE IF COUNCILOR TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TODAY. UH, IT WOULD GO IN EFFECT IN 30 DAYS, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO THEN, UM, COME BACK AND WITH A RESOLUTION TO, UH, POST MORGAN ROAD AS AN OHV SPEED LIMITED ROAD. UH, WE WOULD JUST DO THAT ON CONSENT AGENDA UNLESS I HEAR OTHERWISE FROM COUNSEL TODAY. UH, SO THIS WOULD GO IN EFFECT THE BEGINNING OF, UH, NOVEMBER. SO AT THE NOVEMBER 12TH MEETING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WOULD BE THE RESOLUTION, UH, UH, DESIGNATING, UH, MORGAN ROAD AS AN OHV SPEED LIMIT ROAD THAT WOULD ALSO GIVE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS TIME. I SPOKE WITH KURT HARRIS AND THEY WILL HAVE THE SIGNS READY. THEY DON'T NEED ANY NEW POSTS. THERE'S ENOUGH, UM, POSTS ALONG THE ROAD THAT THEY CAN ADOPT BOTH, OR POSTS BOTH THE OHV SPEED LIMIT SIGNS AND THE, WE DISCUSSED, UH, ONE OF OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS ABOUT A NOISE SIGN, UH, SAYING NO LOUD STEREOS AND MAYBE PUTTING UP, THEY'RE GONNA DO A LITTLE SIGN OF, UH, OHV WITH STEREO MUSIC COMING OUT AND A SLASH THROUGH IT. AND ANYWAY, THEN THE ORDINANCE. SO, UM, BEING CREATIVE AND THEN ALSO IT ALSO GIVES TIME FOR PD. UH, IF COUNSEL ADOPTS THE ORDINANCE TONIGHT, IT'LL GO IN EFFECT 30 DAYS. IT'LL GIVE TIME TO, UM, FOR PD TO ESTABLISH SOME INCREASED PATROLS, UH, FOR THAT ROAD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, TO ENACT ENFORCEMENT. AND THEN AFTER THE RESOLUTION GOES INTO EFFECT, THE, AND THE SIGNS WOULD BE POSTED, UM, PROBABLY JUST A LITTLE BEFORE THAT ANYWAYS. BUT THEY WOULD BE THERE. UH, ENFORCEMENT COULD THEN START. TRADITIONALLY PD DOES, UH, WARNINGS FIRST, UH, FOR A TIME PERIOD, OF COURSE, AND THEN STARTS WITH CITATIONS. UH, BUT THEY HAVE DISCRETION, UM, AND EGREGIOUS CASES, CASES TO GO TO IMMEDIATELY, CITATIONS AFTER, UM, AFTER, UH, UM, IT'S, IT'S IN EFFECT IN ON NOVEMBER 12TH. UH, AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE, UH, WOULD JUST MONITOR IT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, ONE TO SEE COMPLIANCE, AND THEN TWO TO SEE IF IT HAS ANY EFFECT. UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE A SET TIMEFRAME RIGHT NOW TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. IT'D BE GOOD PROBABLY TO AT LEAST GET THROUGH A ONE BUSY SEASON. WE'RE GONNA MISS THIS FALL BUSY SEASON. SO PROBABLY GOOD TO GET AT LEAST THROUGH, UH, THE, THE SPRING, UH, BREAK BUSY SEASON AND THOSE WEEKENDS TO SEE IF THE LOWER SPEED LIMITS HAVING AN EFFECT OR NOT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE RESIDENTS THERE. UH, AND THEN, UH, COUNCIL CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN, UH, DECIDE WHETHER IT'S WORKING OR WHETHER SOMETHING ELSE NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE OR WHETHER IT COULD BE EXPANDED TO THE LOCATIONS. IT'S OKAY. UH, ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FIRST? UH, UM, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A QUESTION OR A COMMENT. UM, I REALLY CAN'T TELL. OKAY. UNTIL I FRAME IT. . I'M SORRY. THEN WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE, ARE THERE ANY CARDS FOR MAYOR? OKAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GONNA COME OUT. SO OKAY. WE'LL TRY TO GET IT OUT. THANK YOU. UM, KURT, I'M, I DON'T KNOW HOW COMFORTABLE I AM WITH THIS COMING FORWARD ON A CONSENT AGENDA FOR MORGAN ROAD BECAUSE I, I LOOK AT THESE AS TWO SEPARATE THINGS. THIS IS NOT A COMMENT ON MORGAN ROAD AND WHAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT DO THERE. BUT, BUT THIS ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT EMPOWERS US TO LOOK AT INDIVIDUAL ROADS TO BE NAMED. UH, SO I THINK IT'S CONFLATING TWO THINGS. ONE IS THE POWER TO, TO DO THAT, AND THE OTHER IS AN ACTION SPECIFIC TO A ROAD. AND I THINK THESE TWO THINGS TELL ME, DOESN'T IT MAKE SENSE FOR THEM TO BE, SEE IT AS A QUESTION TO BE SEPARATED? I MEAN, I THINK OF THEM AS TWO SEPARATE THINGS. ONE GIVES US THE POWER TO DO IT IN A PLACE TO BE NAMED, BUT THEN YOU'RE MOVING SOMETHING RIGHT TO CONSENT FOR A SPECIFIC PLACE VERSUS THIS MORE GENERALIZED ORDINANCE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. SO COUNCILLOR SAI AGREE THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE ACTIONS, WHICH IS WHY ONE WILL BE AN ORDINANCE, ONE WILL BE A RESOLUTION. UM, THE POINT OF MY SUGGESTION THAT COULD BE ON CONSENT AGENDA IS THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE NEW DATA OR, OR NEW DISCUSSION OR ANY NEW PRESENTATION AT THAT NEXT MEETING. UM, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION WAS ALREADY PROVIDED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING. UM, AND SO THAT'S, UH, WE'RE BASED ON A, THE MAJORITY DIRECTION [03:00:01] COUNSEL, WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. UM, IT OF COURSE CAN BE BE PULLED FROM CONSENT OR IF THE MAJORITY COUNSEL DOESN'T WANT ON CONSENT RIGHT NOW, WE, WE WON'T PUT IT ON CONSENT, BUT, UM, THERE WON'T BE, I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY NEW, UNLESS WE HEAR OTHERWISE FROM COUNSEL. ANY NEW, UH, DISCUSSION OR DIRECTION FROM STAFF OR PRESENTATION? I HEAR YOU. AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH ON CONSENTS 'CAUSE I DO LOOK AT THEM AS TWO SEPARATE ITEMS, BUT OKAY. THAT'S ME. ARE YOU GOOD? MM-HMM. . HEY, PETE, ANYTHING? QUESTION, COMMENTS? COMMENTS? OKAY. UH, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCILOR KINSELLA IS AFTER AND THE POWER TO DO SOMETHING AND THEN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF IT, SPECIFIC IMPLEMENTATION OF IT. AND I THINK THE WAY WE STRUCTURE THIS ARE, ARE REALLY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. UH, BUT I THINK IN MY MIND WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL GET ALL UP IN ARMS OR SOMEBODY WILL AND COME TO US WHEN THIS THING, UH, COMES BACK TO US TO IMPLEMENT SPECIFICALLY FOR, UM, BROKEN ARROW. SO I THINK I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA OF IT BEING ON CONSENT AND IF WE, IF SOMETHING CHANGES, WE CAN PULL IT. ANY ONE OF US CAN PULL IT OR THE PUBLIC CAN PULL IT. CORRECT. JESSICA? I AGREE WITH PETE. I THINK WE HAD AN EXHAUSTIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT AT THAT MEETING. AND IN FACT THAT ONE INSTANCE IS WHY WE ARE SEEING THIS RELU, THIS, WHAT IS IT? WHATEVER THIS THING IS ORDINANCE, THIS ORDINANCE NOW. SO WE'VE REALLY ALREADY DONE THAT AND I'M PERFECTLY HAPPY TO KEEP IT ON CONSENT UNLESS AN ISSUE COMES UP, IN WHICH CASE SOMETHING CAN BE PULLED. OKAY. BRIAN, BECAUSE COUNSELOR, UH, WILLIAMSON WOULD BE PERFECTLY HAPPY TO LET THE IMPLEMENTATION BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. I WILL GO ALONG WITH HER ON THAT. AND, UH, I'M JUST SORRY THAT CARL AND DAN HAVE WAITED AROUND THREE PLUS HOURS FOR SUCH A NON MOMENTOUS SUBJECT THIS EVENING. THANK YOU MELISSA. SO I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE OUR FOCUS FOR THIS ORDINANCE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AROUND THE RESOLUTION AND AROUND THE NOISE ORDINANCE POSTING. UM, SO UNLESS THE FOLKS WHO ARE CURRENTLY SITTING OUT THERE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE ALL NIGHT DECIDE THEY WANNA PULL IT WHEN IT COMES BACK, I WOULD SAY JUST, I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT ON THE CONSENT AND LEAVE IT UP TO THE FOLKS WHO HAVE TO LIVE THERE TO DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A BROADER DISCUSSION ON IT. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR, ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION? YES. I HAVEN'T OPINED YET. , AND WE HAVE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SO, UH, WHY DON'T WE, UH, OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. THERE ARE NO CARDS. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I AM VERY COMFORTABLE DOING IT THROUGH, UH, CONSENT FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT WERE MENTIONED HERE. SO, UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? VICE MAYOR? I MOVE TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 24 0 7 0 7 AMENDING THE S CITY CODE TITLE 10 VEHICLES IN TRAFFIC BY ADDING CHAPTER 10.30 IMPROPER MOTOR VEHICLE EQUIPMENT. SORRY, VICE MAYOR, THAT APPARENTLY THE MOTION'S WRONG. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. SO IF WE COULD JUST, IT'S THE SAME BY AMENDING, UH, CITY CODE SECTION 10.15040 SPEED LIMITS. I'LL SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. IF YOU 10.1 POINT WHAT HE SAID AN YEAH, AN ORDINANCE, WE CAN DO THAT. UH, APPROVE AN ORDINANCE, UH, APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 24 7 DASH SEVEN AMENDING CITY CODE SECTION 10.1 5.040. SPEED LIMITS AS AMENDED? NO, NOT AS AMENDED. JUST THAT'S THE MOTION. OKAY, SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILLOR WILLIAMSON. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, WE ARE UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU DAN, FOR COMING OUT. I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SEE YOU'RE DURING A BREAK, BUT HI . OKAY, COOL. ALRIGHT, [8.g. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items.] ITEM G, AB 30 66. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING, UH, AGENDA ITEMS. OH, BRIAN, I DO, I I HAVE TWO, TWO STEPS AND CARL MIGHT WANNA WAIT TO HEAR. UM, , I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN AGENDAS DISCUSSION [03:05:01] ON WHAT COUNCIL HAS AS PRIORITIES TO COMMUNICATE TO THE US FOREST SERVICE AND THEN A SUBSEQUENT MEETING WITH THE US FOREST SERVICE TO COMMUNICATE, COMMUNICATE, SAID, UH, PRIORITIES AND OBJECTIVES. WE'VE GOT A NEW DISTRICT RANGER WE'VE NOT MET WITH SINCE HIS OFFICIAL PROMOTION, NOR HAS THIS GROUP MET WITH HIS, UH, FOREST SUPERVISOR IN THE TIME THAT HE HAS BEEN IN THAT ROLE AS WELL. AND, UH, WE'RE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT, UM, EXPRESSING OUR DISPLEASURE WITH THE STATE OF THE FOREST SERVICE AND DECISIONS THEY'VE MADE. AND IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT WE NEED TO GET ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT WHAT WE WANNA COMMUNICATE TO THEM. SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SAID AGENDIZED ITEMS. AND THAT, DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? UH, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD TWO, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT, UM, MM-HMM. ITEMS, TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS. ONE IS YOUR INTERNAL DISCUSSION ON WHAT YOU WANTED, UM, SET AS AN AGENDA BASICALLY TO DISCUSS, AND THEN SCHEDULING A TIME FOR THE DISTRICT RANGER TO BE HERE FOR THAT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M REQUESTING. IF MY COLLEAGUES ARE INTERESTED, I, I'M INTERESTED, I JUST DUNNO HOW SUCCESSFUL WE'RE GONNA BE, BUT I'M INTERESTED IN SUPPORTING THAT. OKAY. WE SUPPORT THAT. YEAH. OKAY. NOTED. ANYBODY ELSE? I SUPPORT IT. I THINK WE, WE HAVE FOUR, SO. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYOR. OH, COOL. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE COUNSEL, THE FULL COUNSEL WAS AWARE THAT A COUPLE OF THINGS ARE ADDED TO THE OCTOBER 22ND MEETING THAT ARE NOT LISTED IN THE ATTACHMENT IN YOUR PACKET. ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE SISTER CITIES AGREEMENT AND ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE SELECTION OF A LOBBYIST FOR THE UPCOMING LEGISLATIVE SESSION. UM, AND THEN JUST A REMINDER THAT, UM, OUR CITY CLERK, JOANNE DID, UM, SEND EMAILS TO ALL OF YOU, PULLING YOU ON, UM, POTENTIAL MEETING DATES FOR THE SECOND JOINT MEETING WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT AND THEN ALSO AN INVITATION TO YOU FROM ARIZONA WATER COMPANY FOR A FACILITY TOUR. SO IF YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR CALENDARS AND GET BACK TO HER, THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU, . OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? HEARING NOTHING. THAT MEETING [10. ADJOURNMENT] IS ADJOURNED UNTIL TOMORROW. WE HAVE THREE O'CLOCK RIGHT HERE LIVE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.