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          WELCOME 
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          WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER FOR A WORK SESSION. 
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WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR BLO. 
          HERE, VICE MAYOR PLU. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILOR DUNN. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCILLOR FOLTZ. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILLOR FURMAN. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCILLOR KINSELLA. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNSELOR WILLIAMSON. 
          HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, 
          [3.a. AB 3054 Presentation/discussion with Yavapai College, Dr. Irina Del Genio, Dean of Verde Valley Campus Administration and Mr. Richard Hernandez, Executive Director of Government Relations, regarding a general update on activities and plans of the College.]
ITEM THREE, SPECIAL BUSINESS ITEM, A AB 30 54 PRESENTATION. 
          DISCUSSION WITH YBA COLLEGE. 
          DR. 
          MARY LOU MARKETO. 
          UH, FROM Y THAT'S YBA COUNTY, UH, YBA COLLEGE, EXCUSE ME. 
          VICE PRESIDENT OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT HEALTH AND SCIENCES. 
          AND DOUG BARRY, THE YAPA COLLEGE PROVOST REGARDING THE GENERAL UPDATE ON ACTIVITIES AND PLANS OF THE COLLEGE. 
          NOW I'M GONNA BREAK FROM MY NORMAL, UH, RUNNING OF THE MEETING FOR THIS ITEM. 
          AND INSTEAD OF HAVING A PRESENTATION, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE THAT NOBODY, THEY, NOBODY DECIDE TO COME FROM THE COLLEGE TODAY. 
          THEY DECIDE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO. 
          SO I'M GOING TO READ AN EMAIL EXCHANGE SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT TRANSPIRED, WHY WE HAVE AN EMPTY SEAT. 
          SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME, IF YOU WILL. 
          SO, UH, WE HAD EXTENDED AN INVITATION, I THINK THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE HAD EXTENDED AN INVITATION TO THE, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE COLLEGE BACK SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. 
          AND THAT WAS, UH, WHAT, UH, IS HER NAME? UH, UH, DOC DR. RYAN RYAN, DR. LISA RYAN. 
          AND SHE DID NOT WANT TO COME. 
          SO SHE HAD INSTEAD, UH, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT I JUST MENTIONED ON THE AGENDA BILL, THAT WOULD BE COMING. 
          AND THAT WAS FINE. 
          AND WHAT'S THAT YOU SAID? AND THAT WAS FINE. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS FINE. 
          WELL, I WASN'T THRILLED, BUT, UH, WE INVITED THE, THE DEAN AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A, A A, AN ISSUE WITH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD BACK IN 2021, SEPTEMBER OF 2021. 
          THEY WERE REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE ANSWERING QUESTIONS FROM THIS COUNCIL. 
          SO I TRIED TO DO THE HONORABLE THING AND SEND AN EMAIL WITH QUESTIONS THAT I PARTICULARLY HAD, MAYBE NOT THIS, THE REST OF THE COUNCIL HAD, BUT THAT I HAD TO GIVE THEM A HEADS UP ONTO WHERE I WAS WITH THIS. 
          AND I'M GONNA READ THAT NOW IN PREPARATION FOR THE OCTOBER 9TH MEETING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          THIS IS, UH, TO, UH, RICHARD HERNANDEZ, WHO WAS THE GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS PERSON. 
          BY THE WAY, I WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME ADVANCED NOTICE ON SOME QUESTIONS THAT I PLAN ON ASKING DURING THE YI COUNTY, UH, YBA COLLEGE BOARD MEETING ON TUESDAY THE 24TH. 
          IT WILL BE MENTIONED. 
          IT WAS MENTIONED AT THE YAR PI COLLEGE HAS A PROMO VIDEO FOR A NEW YBA COLLEGE PRESCOTT PINES PROPERTY. 
          COULD YOU PLEASE SEND IT TO ME IN ADVANCE SO WE COULD, UH, HAVE IT TO SET UP AND PLAYING, UH, HAVE IT PLAYED AT OUR MEETING. 
          THE ENROLLMENT IN THE CULINARY SCHOOL IN SEDONA HAS BEEN DOWN, ACCORDING TO, UH, YOUR REGISTRATION DATABASE FOR THE FALL OF 2024, ONLY TWO COURSES WERE OFFERED, AND THEY WERE NOT FILLED BY COMPARISON FOR THE FEBRUARY, 2018 SESSION. 
          THE COLLEGE REPORTED TO THE GOVERNING BOARD THAT THERE WERE 169 STUDENTS ENROLLED IN THE CORONARY COURSES IN 2021. 
          THE COLLEGE REPORTED 49 STUDENTS ENROLLED IN THE CULINARY COURSES. 
          MY QUESTION WAS, WHAT, UH, WERE THE ENROLLMENT NUMBERS FOR FULL OF 2024 AND TWO? CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT APPEARS TO BE SIGNIFICANT DECLINE IN STUDENTS TAKING CULINARY COURSES? VERY SIMPLE QUESTIONS. 
          I THOUGHT MY LETTER OR EMAIL GOES ON TO, UH, MENTION THE COLLEGE HAS NOT REPORTED WITH ANY PRECISION THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS ENROLLED IN, IN-PERSON CLASSES. 
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MY QUESTION WAS, WHAT WERE THE FULL, THE TOTAL OF THE FULL TIME STUDENTS, EQUIVALENT OF STUDENTS WHO WERE ENROLLED ATTENDING, UH, ATTENDED IN PERSON CLASSES FOR SUCH CLASSES, FOR SUCH CLASSES AT OH CLASSES IN MEDICINE AND CAREER TRAINING CENTER? WHAT WAS A TOTAL, UH, ONLINE STUDENTS, UH, TAKING CLASSES, UH, WHO WERE IDENTIFIED AS SEDONA AND VERDE VALLEY, UH, FOR THE SPRING OF 2023? WHAT IS THE TOTAL ENROLLMENT IN FULL 2024 OF STUDENTS TAKING CLASSES IN PERSON IN THE VERDE VALLEY CAMPUS IN THE SPRING OF 2023? THE COLLEGE REPORTED TO THAT THE GOVERNING BOARD HAD APPROVED FOUR MAJOR PROJECTS FOR THE VERDE VALLEY CAMPUS IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          THE COLLEGE SAID THAT THE COLLEGE PRIORITIES WERE, AND THERE'S FOUR SPENDING 9.25 MILLION FOR A STUDENT HOUSING FACILITY, SPENDING 308,000 FOR COMMERCIAL DRIVER TRAINING PROGRAMS AND SITE SPENDING, 800, UH, I'M SORRY, 8.04 MILLION ON CREATING A CRAFT BREWING AND DISTILLERY PROGRAM. 
          AND THEN 3.9 MILLION TO RENOVATE BUILDING M THREE OF THOSE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN SCRAPPED SAVING OF AROUND 18 MILLION ONLY BUILDING M WAS COMPLETED. 
          PLEASE EXPLAIN THE SUDDEN CHANGE OF HEART FOR, UH, FROM THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. 
          AND PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED TO THE 18 MILLION. 
          AGAIN, I THOUGHT THAT WAS RATHER SIMPLE. 
          IN JULY OF THIS YEAR, THE COLLEGE CLOSED THE SMALL STUDENT CAFE ON THE VERDE, UH, CAMPUS BECAUSE IT WAS, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME, LOSING MONEY. 
          HOW MUCH MONEY IS THE COLLEGE LOSING ON ITS MAJOR CAFE OPERATION ON THE PRESCOTT CAMPUS? THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE IS BUILDING A NEW STATE-OF-THE-ART CULINARY FACILITY ON THE PRESCOTT CAMPUS WON'T THAT, UH, COMPETE FOR STUDENTS WHO MIGHT ATTEND THE SEDONA CULINARY SCHOOL THAT ARE ALREADY, THAT'S ALREADY DECLINING IN NUMBERS OF THE APPROXIMATE, UH, 49 MILLION IN PROPERTY TAXES. 
          UH, THE COLLEGE RECEIVES FROM THE COUNTY TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE. 
          HOW MUCH OF THAT COMES DIRECTLY FROM PROPERTY TAXES, UH, OF STUDENTS, UH, OF RESIDENTS, RATHER, IN SEDONA AND THE VERDE VALLEY? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE HOTEL AND RESTAURANT MANAGEMENT, UH, PROGRAM BACK IN 2017 THAT HAD A STRONG START? AND BY 2021, THE COLLEGE WAS SUGGESTING THE PROGRAM WAS DYING AND IS NOW DEAD? PLEASE EXPLAIN. 
          SINCE THE COLLEGE IS FUNDED BY TAXPAYER DOLLARS, WHY ISN'T THE SALARY OF THE COLLEGE PRESIDENT MADE PUBLIC, UH, LIKE THAT OF PRESIDENTS OF MAJOR ARIZONA UNIVERSITIES? AND WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC COMMUNITY COLLEGE PLANS FOR SEDONA AND THE VERDE VALLEY OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS TO FIVE YEARS? AND THAT, LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AT OUR, AT OUR MEETING, WHICH IS TODAY, UH, ASSIGNED SCOTT BLO MAYOR. 
          I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS THAT BIG OF A, A ISSUE TO ANSWER. 
          WELL, I RECEIVED ON 9 27 FROM MR. HERNANDEZ SCOTT, AFTER RECEIVING YOUR EMAIL, I WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW IF THE COLLEGE IS NOT INTERESTED IN A REPEAT OF HOW WE WERE TREATED THE LAST TIME WE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL ON 9 28 OF 21, THAT MEETING WAS INAPPROPRIATE AND THE LINE OF QUESTIONING WAS NOT, UH, RESPECTFUL OF A FOR A PUBLIC FORUM. 
          BASED ON YOUR QUESTIONS, WE ARE DECLINING TO PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL ON OCT OCTOBER 9TH. 
          THE COLLEGE WILL INSTEAD SHARE THE MANY INVESTMENTS AND POSITIVE ACTIVITIES DIRECTLY WITH THE VERDE VALLEY AND SEDONA RESIDENTS SENIOR COLLEGE LEADERSHIP IS WILLING TO CONSIDER A SMALLER, MORE INTIMATE MEETING WITH YOU AND KEY COUNSEL AND STAFF TO DISCUSS WAYS WE COULD POSITIVELY COLLABORATE AND ADDRESS MUTUAL MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL ISSUES. 
          AND I TALKED TO RICHARD ABOUT THAT, AND I SAID, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING IN PUBLIC ON CAMERA RECORDED. 
          WHY WOULD I WANNA DO SOMETHING INTIMATE AND PRIVATE THAT'S NOT IN PUBLIC? WHY WOULD, IS THE PUBLIC NOT ABLE TO HEAR THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS? AND HE DECLINED TO ANSWER. 
          SO, UH, I WANTED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES, AND I WANTED THE PUBLIC TO SEE THIS GRAPHIC THAT WAS PUT UP. 
          THIS WAS WHAT WAS PROPOSED FOR THE CLARKDALE CAMPUS FOR A TUNE OF, UH, NOT NOW. 
          IT'S NOT 3.5 MILLION AS WAS STATED THERE. 
          AND IT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT $500,000 FROM WHAT I'M TOLD. 
          ACTUALLY, NINE FIVE. 
          WHAT IS THAT? JESSICA, CAN YOU PULL THE MIC OVER IF YOU'RE GONNA TALK? GOOD. 
          I HAVE A LIST HERE THAT I GOT FROM BOB, FROM BOB EF FONT THAT SAYS, WHAT ARE THE PRIORITY FOR NEW STUDENT HOUSING IN THE VERDE VALLEY WAS GOING TO BE HANDLE 60 
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STUDENTS AT A COST OF 9.25 MILLION. 
          RIGHT? BUT THAT'S NOT THIS. 
          NO, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY, THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD EVERYBODY, RIGHT? THEY WERE GOING TO DO. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA COST 500,000. 
          THIS IS A MODULAR KNOCK TOGETHER, KIND OF A, UH, IT'S PLANS WERE FOR MANUFACTURED HOUSING. 
          UH, 12 BEDROOMS, UH, APARTMENT IN VERDE VALLEY CAMPUS. 
          OKAY, SO, UH, MARCY, IF YOU WANNA SHOW THAT VIDEO AND LET'S SEE WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING ON THE PRESCOTT SIDE. 
          FOR $11 MILLION, YAVAPAI COLLEGE HAS COMPLETED PURCHASE TO ACQUIRE LAND, FORMALLY KNOWN AS PRESCOTT PINES CAMP. 
          THE SPRAWLING EXPANSE OF THIS UNIQUE 42 ACRE PROPERTY WILL AFFORD YAVAPAI COLLEGE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS STUDENTS AND EMPLOYEE HOUSING NEEDS, AS WELL AS PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR EDUCATIONAL AND CO-CURRICULAR ACTIVITIES, AND KEEP THE TRADITION THAT PRESCOTT PINES HAS PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED WITH CAMP EXPERIENCES FOR GROUPS AND ORGANIZATIONS. 
          THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 15 MINUTES FROM THE COLLEGE'S PRESCOTT CAMPUS AND 25 MINUTES FROM ITS PRESCOTT VALLEY AND CTEC LOCATIONS, AND HAS 60 EXISTING BUILDINGS, WHICH INCLUDE HOUSING, MEETING, AND COMMON SPACES AND RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY CENTERS. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPERTY OFFERS ITS OWN WATER SUPPLY AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM, SO THE COLLEGE'S USE WILL NOT IMPACT THE WATER SUPPLY OF THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY. 
          THIS ACQUISITION REPRESENTS MORE THAN AN EXPANSION. 
          IT IS A BOLD STEP FORWARD FOR GAVA PI COLLEGE, ONE THAT PROMISES TO BE A VALUABLE ADDITION TO THE COLLEGE'S COLLECTIVE FUTURE BOUNDLESS OPPORTUNITIES AWAIT NESTLED AMONG THE WHISPERING PINES TO THE NORTH. 
          OUR JOURNEY UNCOVERS THE ENCHANTING YURT VILLAGE. 
          HERE, A COLLECTION OF 10 YURTS OFFERS A UNIQUE SETTING FOR BOTH INTIMATE GATHERINGS AND COLLABORATIVE GROUP ENDEAVORS. 
          THE DINING HALL, A SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY INTEGRATES FUNCTIONALITY AND SPACE. 
          IT FEATURES AN UPGRADED COMMERCIAL KITCHEN ADJACENT TO A LARGE DINING AREA CAPABLE OF ACCOMMODATING GATHERINGS JUST SOUTH OF THE DINING HALL. 
          THE ATHLETIC CENTER STANDS OUT WITH ITS CAPACITY FOR FULL SIZE BASKETBALL COURTS AND MODERN RESTROOM FACILITIES. 
          THIS CENTER IS NOT JUST ABOUT SPORTS. 
          IT'S A SYMBOL OF HEALTH ENGAGEMENT AND COMMUNITY SPIRIT DESIGNED TO SERVE A WIDE RANGE OF ACTIVITIES AND GATHERINGS ADJACENT TO THE ATHLETIC CENTER. 
          THE MARA PI BUILDING ENHANCES THE PROPERTY WITH ITS LARGE MEETING SPACE, DESIGNED FOR AUDIO VISUAL PRESENTATIONS. 
          THIS VERSATILITY IS COMPLIMENTED BY LODGING AND RESTROOM FACILITIES HOUSED WITHIN ITS WINGS, MAKING IT A COMPREHENSIVE VENUE FOR EDUCATIONAL SESSIONS, WORKSHOPS, AND ACCOMMODATION. 
          WEST OF THE ATHLETIC CENTER. 
          THE PROPERTY BOASTS UP ALL FIELD STRETCHING OVER 100 YARDS, UNIQUELY EMBRACED BY PRESCOTT'S FORESTS, CREATING A SERENE AND SECLUDED SPORTING ENVIRONMENT. 
          MOVING NORTH, WE ENCOUNTER THE VICTORY CIRCLE, AN OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATER STYLE MEETING AREA OF MODEST SIZE, COMPLETE WITH A FIRE PIT. 
          MANZANITA, ONE OF THE PROPERTY'S NEWEST BUILDINGS STANDS OUT WITH ITS LODGING FACILITIES IN TWO WINGS, DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A RANGE OF NEEDS. 
          ASPEN LODGE, A PIVOTAL STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY FUNCTIONS AS A RESIDENCE HALL, FEATURING 10 ROOMS ALONGSIDE COMMUNITY BATHROOMS, ACCOMMODATING A VARIETY OF GUESTS. 
          IT HOUSES A MEETING ROOM CAPABLE OF SEATING UP TO 70 INDIVIDUALS, MAKING IT IDEAL FOR LARGER GATHERINGS OR WORKSHOPS ON THE EAST SIDE. 
          NESTLED WITHIN THE PROPERTY LIES THE HILLTOP GROUP, A COLLECTION OF PRIVATE RESIDENCES. 
          EACH OFFERING UNIQUE ACCOMMODATIONS AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF THE SURROUNDING LANDSCAPE. 
          IN ADDITION TO THEM, SITUATED IN THE NORTH CENTRAL AREA IS AN EXAMPLE OF SEVERAL COMPLETE RESIDENCES FEATURING THEIR OWN KITCHENS. 
          NESTLED WITHIN THE PROPERTY. 
          FRONTIER VILLAGE OFFERS A CAPTIVATING GLIMPSE INTO THE MAIN STREET OF THE OLD WEST, COMPLETE BY THE WORKING JAIL. 
          THIS UNIQUE FEATURE, WHILE NOT DIRECTLY TIED TO THE COLLEGE'S CURRICULUM SERVICES ARE REMARKABLE. 
          IT'S FOR COMMUNITY GROUPS, . 
          IT STANDS AS A TESTAMENT TO THE PROPERTY'S DIVERSE APPEAL. 
          A HIGHLIGHT OF THE PROPERTY IS THAT STARLIGHT THEATER, 
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AN ENCHANTING OUTDOOR THEATER THAT FEATURES A STAGE AND AMPHITHEATER STYLE SEATING. 
          THIS VENUE ALLOWS FOR A VARIETY OF PERFORMANCES UNDER THE STARS, A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE FOR BOTH PERFORMERS AND AUDIENCES ALIKE. 
          AS OUR JOURNEY CONCLUDES, IT'S EASY TO REFLECT ON THE MYRIAD OF POSSIBILITIES IT PRESENTS TO YAVAPAI COLLEGE, ITS STUDENTS, EMPLOYEES, AND OUR COUNTY. 
          FROM THE TRANQUILITY OF THE YURT VILLAGE TO THE COLLABORATIVE SPACES OF THE MARA PI BUILDING, EACH CORNER OF THIS CENTER HOLDS A POTENTIAL FOR GROWTH, LEARNING, AND CONNECTION. 
          THE STARLIGHT THEATER AND THE FRONTIER VILLAGE OFFER UNIQUE CULTURAL EXPERIENCES WHILE THE ATHLETIC AND RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES PROMISE TO INCREASE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR STUDENTS AND ENRICH STUDENT LIFE. 
          THANK YOU, MARC. 
          SO, ONCE I SAW THAT VIDEO, UH, IT WAS SENT TO ME BY, UM, OUR REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COLLEGE. 
          WE HAVE OUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVE. 
          WE HAVE ONE. 
          THEY HAVE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE AND A HALF, AND THEY HAVE THREE AND A HALF REPRESENTATIVES, REPRESENTATIVES OF A FIVE MEMBER BOARD. 
          UH, I WAS SHOCKED TO COMPARE THAT BEAUTIFUL $11 MILLION CAMPUS OR HOUSING FACILITY COMPARED TO A KNOCKED TOGETHER, UH, $500,000, UH, HOUSING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO HERE. 
          AND IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK, AND I'M GONNA LET JESSICA SPEAK 'CAUSE SHE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY, BUT IN, IN A, IN A SECOND, AS I MENTIONED IN THE LETTER, THE CULINARY INSTITUTE WAS ORIGINALLY PROMISED TO BE A FOUR KITCHEN FACILITY. 
          THEY GAVE US TWO AND THEY SAID, TAKE IT AND LIKE IT. 
          BUT THEY NEVER REALLY PUT ANYTHING INTO IT. 
          THEY, I, I FELT THAT THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA FAIL, AND THEY ALWAYS SAID, IT'S FAILING BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE FOR STUDENTS TO COME HERE AND LIVE. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR HOUSING OF SOME SORT ON THE CLARKDALE CAMPUS OR THE CAMPUS HERE IN SEDONA. 
          I, I FORGET HOW MANY ACRES DO YOU KNOW? OFF HAND? FIVE, FIVE ACRES THEY HAVE HERE IN SEDONA BEHIND THE CAMPUS. 
          THEY DON'T WANNA BUILD ANYTHING HERE. 
          AND THEY WERE BUILDING, UH, EVEN CHINO VALLEY, THEY, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE, TINY HOMES. 
          THEY REFUSED TO BUILD TINY HOMES HERE TO, THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE SOME SINGLE WIDE RVS AND PUT THEM UP IN CLARKDALE. 
          NOT NOTHING EVER HAPPENED, BUT WHY DOESN'T ANYBODY ATTEND THE, UH, CULINARY INSTITUTE? THERE'S NO PLACE TO LIVE AND NOT USUALLY LIVING IN THE VERDE VALLEY. 
          WHY IS ENROLLMENT DOWN IN THE TECH CENTER? I UNDERSTAND ALSO THAT'S WHERE THEY, IT'S IN CLARKDALE. 
          THEY HAVE PLUMBING, HEATING, UH, AIR CONDITIONING, ELECTRICAL, AND STRUCTURAL FRAMING. 
          IT'S A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY AND THEY HAVE NO PLACE FOR THE STUDENTS TO LIVE. 
          IT WAS VERY MINIMAL, BUT YET THEY'RE BUILDING SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR $11 MILLION IN PRESCOTT. 
          SO THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANT THEM TO COME. 
          AND YET THEY DON'T WANT TO. 
          THEY FEEL THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS OR ANYBODY'S QUESTIONS FOR THAT MATTER. 
          SO, UH, JESSICA, I KNOW YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD, AND THEN IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS TO ADD, THEN WE CAN MOVE ON. 
          BUT JESSICA DO. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE? I, I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD, AND FORGIVE ME, I HAVE WRITTEN IT, SO I MAY END UP READING IT. 
          UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT WAS A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY AND THEY WERE LUCKY TO GET IT. 
          AND I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT THEY'RE DOING IT, BUT THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING FOR SEDONA OR OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          AND YAVAPI COLLEGE KNOWS IT'S WRONG. 
          THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T WANT TO MEET WITH THIS COUNCIL IN PUBLIC. 
          THEY OFFER TO MEET IN PRIVATE WHERE RESIDENTS WILL FIND OUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          THE FACT IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO MEET WITH US. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ON THIS SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN. 
          THEY CAN CONTINUE TO RAISE OUR TAXES AND SPEND IT IN DEVELOPING FACILITIES WHEREVER THEY WANT. 
          THEY CAN AND DO IGNORE OUR REQUESTS AND THE REQUESTS OF OUR ONE AND A HALF ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES ON THE BOARD. 
          BUT THEY SHOULDN'T. 
          THAT'S JUST SIMPLY NOT RIGHT. 
          THE COLLEGE RECEIVES COUNTY PROPERTY TAX REVENUE, AND THE VERDE VALLEY AS A WHOLE CONTRIBUTES AN ESTIMATED 30%. 
          UM, THE MAYOR, THE MAYOR'S QUOTED A $49 MILLION FIGURE. 
          I'LL TAKE THAT AS WHAT IT IS. 
          WHY NOT? WE CONTRIBUTED A THIRD OF THAT. 
          I DON'T EXPECT THE VERDE VALLEY TO GET ALL THE TAX MONEY BACK FOR HIGHER EDUCATION, BUT IT IS REASONABLE TO EXPECT 
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SOME INVESTMENT HERE. 
          AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THE PRESCOTT AREA IS MORE DENSELY POPULATED AND IS GROWING, AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE FUNDS GOING THERE. 
          BUT IT'S SIMPLY NOT RIGHT THAT SEDONA AND VERDE VALLEY NEEDS ARE IGNORED YEAR AFTER YEAR. 
          AND THE COLLEGE CONTINUES TO RAISE YAVAPAI COUNTY TAXES ON SEDONA RESIDENTS FOR SERVICES WE DON'T RECEIVE. 
          I'VE BEEN PAYING SOME ATTENTION TO YAVAPAI COLLEGE SINCE THEY CREATED A 10 YEAR PLAN IN 2012 THAT PROPOSED SELLING THE SEDONA CAMPUS AND SPENDING 90% OF THEIR CAPITAL FUNDS ON PROJECTS ON THE PRESCOTT SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN. 
          I FOUND OUT THAT DISPROPORTIONATE SPENDING WAS A LONGSTANDING ISSUE WITH PEOPLE IN SEDONA AND THE VERDE VALLEY, WHO BELIEVE THAT THE COLLEGE HAS AN OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE FUNDS TO SUPPORT HIGHER EDUCATION FOR SEDONA AND THE VERDE VALLEY RESIDENTS WITH INVESTMENT IN AND SUPPORT OF THE CLARKDALE CAMPUS. 
          AND THE COLLEGE SIMPLY DOESN'T AGREE. 
          AND BECAUSE ALL THE ONE OF ONE AND A HALF OF THEIR GOVERNING BOARD MEMBERS REPRESENTS THE PRESCOTT AREA OF THE COUNTY, VERDE VALLEY, SEDONA NEVER HAS A SAY IN WHAT THE COLLEGE FUNDS. 
          AS A RESULT, THE CLARKDALE CAMPUS APPEARS TO HAVE STEADILY DECLINED. 
          UM, ATTENDANCE AT THE PARKDALE CAMPUS HAS STEADILY DECLINED. 
          AND PROGRAMMY AT THE SEDONA CAMPUS IS ALL BUT NON-EXISTENT. 
          SEDONA AND THE VERDE VALLEY EFFECTIVELY HAVE NO REPRESENTATION AND NO WAY TO SORT OF GET THE COLLEGE TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT. 
          SEDONA HAS URGED THE COLLEGE TO DEVELOP MORE VOCATIONAL EDUCATION PROGRAMS AT THE CLARKDALE CAMPUS. 
          WE NEED THEM. 
          WE SPECIFICALLY ASK FOR SOME CLASSES IN MAINTAINING AND REPAIRING ELECTRIC VEHICLES. 
          THE LACK OF PEOPLE TO DO THAT WORK SERIOUSLY AFFECTS SEDONAS ABILITY TO INVEST IN ELECTRIC SHUTTLES AND BUSES. 
          WHAT ABOUT OUR CULINARY FACILITY AT THE SEDONA CAMPUS? THAT FACILITY WAS, WAS BUILT WITHOUT NECESSARY KITCHENS, DESPITE THE CITY'S OBJECTIONS AND HAS NEVER BEEN REALLY SUPPORTED BY THE COLLEGE. 
          THE MAIN USE OF THE SEDONA CAMPUS SEEMS TO BE OLLIE SINCE THE COLLEGE HAS PROFESSED PA PLANS FOR THAT CAMPUS HAVE NEVER MATERIALIZED. 
          MY SENSE IS THAT THIS JUST BY SENSE AT THE COLLEGE IS JUST WAITING FOR THAT MOMENT WHEN THEY CANCEL THE CAMPUS AND BE DONE WITH IT UP HERE IN, IN SEDONA, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WE CAN DO EXCEPT TO BRING THEIR ACTIONS, THE ACTIONS OF THE COLLEGE TO THE ATTENTION OF THE PUBLIC AND HOPE THAT THE COLLEGE RESPONDS. 
          BUT I'M NOT HOPEFUL THEY'LL DO WHAT'S RIGHT. 
          UM, THEY, THEY REALLY HAVEN'T. 
          THEY JUST WON'T DO IT 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU, JESSICA. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE DESK? BRIAN, YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEP. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE THE GREAT PASSION THAT BOTH THE MAYOR AND COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON HAVE SHARED ABOUT THE STATE OF YAVAPAI COLLEGE AND ITS INVESTMENT OR THE MONEY COMING BACK TO, OR LACK THEREOF TO THE VERDE VALLEY. 
          BUT I THINK THAT AT THIS POINT WE NEED TO HIT THE RESET BUTTON IN A BIG WAY. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE YOU KNOW, WHO NEEDS TO OFFER THAT OLIVE BRANCH FIRST, BUT CLEARLY THE RELATIONSHIP IS VERY BROKEN AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, THEY'VE CONTRIBUTED TO IT. 
          WE'VE CONTRIBUTED TO IT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT JUST, WELL, I'VE LOOKED AT THEIR WEBSITE AND I'VE LOOKED AT WHAT IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THEIR MISSION IS AND SO FORTH. 
          AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE THAT SAYS THERE HAS TO BE A, UH, PROPORTIONATE SPEND OF MONEY BACK INTO ANY PARTICULAR AREA IN THE COUNTY. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS I FIND MOST CONFOUNDING ABOUT THE STATE OF ARIZONA IS THE VERY FEW NUMBER OF COUNTIES AND THE FACT THAT WHO HAVE A SINGULAR ENTITY TO TRY TO SUPPORT AN ENTIRE COUNTY. 
          AND YAVAPAI IS NOT EVEN ONE OF THE LARGEST OF THE COUNTIES. 
          AND YET STILL THAT IS A LOGISTIC FINANCIAL CHALLENGE TO SAY, OH, WE WANT TO HAVE SUPPORT ACROSS THE COUNTY. 
          I, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON HIGHER ED. 
          THERE'S A PART OF ME THAT WONDERS, WELL, GEE, MAYBE EVERYTHING SHOULD JUST BE IN PRESCOTT IN THE FIRST PLACE AND NOT DILUTE ANY OF THE SPEND BY HAVING ANYTHING IN CHINO OR IN CLARKDALE OR SEDONA. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HIT THE RESET BUTTON AND SEE IF WE 
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CAN JUST FIND A COUPLE OF PLACES THAT WE CAN COLLABORATE, GET ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT AND RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE'RE THE CITY COUNCIL AND WE REPRESENT OUR CONSTITUENTS IN THE CITY LIMITS OF SEDONA, BUT THEY DON'T REPORT TO US ON THAT BOARD. 
          AND SO WE HAVE TO RESPECT THAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CHALLENGE, RIGHT? BECAUSE, UM, I'VE CERTAINLY BEEN VERY WILLING TO, TO GET UP IN THE GRILL OF OTHER STAKEHOLDERS IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND, UM, THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR JUST STRIKES ME THAT WE NEED TO HIT THE RESET BUTTON AND SEE, UH, WHERE WE CAN TRY TO START OVER AGAIN. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, UH, BUT THAT WAS TRIED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. 
          COUNCIL WILLIAMSON WAS PART OF, WERE YOU PART OF THE GROUP? THE RESET? UH, THE, UH, THE, UH, COMMUNITY GROUP? I WAS, I I WAS INVOLVED IN THAT, YES. 
          AND I CAN SAY THAT THE GROUP, WHICH WAS MADE UP OF LIKE 12 OR 15 RESIDENTS, SPENT A LOT OF HOURS MEETING AND TALKING AND MADE LIKE 20 RECOMMENDATIONS, NOT ONE OF WHICH WAS ACCEPTED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE THAT, I MEAN, I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THAT YOUR VIEW REPRESENTS THE COLLEGE'S VIEW THAT MONEY NOT PUT IN PRESCOTT IS A WASTE AND IT HAS TO BE PUT WHERE THE POPULATION IS AND WHERE THEY CAN BUILD A, A JEWEL OF A CAMPUS, BUT THEIR MANDATE IS TO SERVE THE ENTIRE VERDE VALLEY. 
          AND THEIR MANDATE ALSO SAYS IT HAS TO BE INACCESSIBLE AND AFFORDABLE WAY. 
          AND SO THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR PEOPLE TO DISAGREE ON THIS. 
          I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. 
          UM, I JUST THINK WE SHOULD GET SOME OF OUR MONEY BACK, UM, HERE LOCALLY FOR SOME, SOME THINGS. 
          AND I, I THINK IF YOU COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO RESET IT AND UM, AND WORK WITH THEM, THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF, IF, IF THAT COULD BE ACHIEVED. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND. 
          I DID NOT SAY, OH, DON'T SPEND ANY MONEY. 
          NO, I KNOW YOU IN VERDE VALLEY. 
          I'M SAYING IT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION. 
          AND ARE THE SAME PEOPLE ON THE BOARD AND IN CHARGE OF THE COLLEGE THAT WERE THE LAST TIME THAT THIS GROUP WENT TOGETHER OR GOT TOGETHER? AND SURE, I MAY BE NAIVE AND IT MAY GO NOWHERE, BUT WHAT'S OUR ALTERNATIVE AT THIS POINT? JUST TO SEND EACH OTHER NASTY EMAILS AND NOT MEET WITH EACH OTHER, LIKE, WE'RE NOT MEETING TODAY. 
          SO I THINK I NO, I AGREE. 
          AND, AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT FIGHTING ME ON WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          SO IT'S MORE OF A RHETORICAL STATEMENT, UH, IN THAT REGARD. 
          AND I MAY MAYOR YEAH, LEMME JUST ADDRESS THAT FOR A SECOND. 
          SO, AND, AND YOU ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE ARE AUTONOMOUS TO EVERYBODY. 
          THEY ANSWER TO THEMSELVES. 
          UH, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT MAYBE IF THE COMMUNITY JUST HAD THE COMMUNITY, VERDE VALLEY AS A WHOLE, WERE, WAS AWARE OF THE, UH, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE, IN THE FUNDING THAT IS BEING SPENT HERE AND WHAT'S BEING SPENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MINGUS MOUNT AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, UH, SAYING BEFORE WOULD BE TRUE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A MOUNTAIN RANGE BETWEEN THE COUNTY, IF THERE WAS NO MOUNTAIN RANGE THERE AND PEOPLE COULD DRIVE EASILY ACROSS IT MIGHT MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 
          BUT WE HAVE THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE AND THEY HAVE HISTORICALLY FELT THAT WE ARE THE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER DESCRIPTION, PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I HAVE REDHEADED CHILDREN, BUT THEY, WE ARE THE REDHEADED STEPCHILD. 
          HEY, THERE YOU GO. 
          SEE . 
          BUT, UH, AND I LOVE MY CHILDREN DEARLY. 
          THEY BOTH ARE REDHEADED, BUT THE FACT IS, I'M NOT EXPECTING A, UH, A THIRD OF THE MONEY OR 30% TO COME BACK HERE, HAVE ABOUT 20%. 
          THEY HAVE A, A BIGGER CAMPUS THERE, AND WE CAN GO DOWN THE LIST. 
          I'M NOT GONNA, I, I GET THAT. 
          AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE BELABOR THE THE ISSUE. 
          IT'S JUST WE NEED TO BE MORE IN THEIR FACE. 
          SO I AM, I, I THINK THAT I HAVE, AND I USED TO ATTEND THEIR BOARD MEETINGS AND IT MADE A DIFFERENCE. 
          SO MUCH SO WE HAD THE KITCHEN, UH, BUILT WHERE THEY DIDN'T WANT IT, AND THEY WERE GONNA SELL THAT BUILDING AND THEN THEY DIDN'T. 
          AND JESSICA WAS THERE, IT'S MAYOR MORIARTY WAS THERE, AND, AND SEVERAL OTHERS OF THE COMMUNITY WAS THERE. 
          THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT. 
          SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD STEP UP. 
          I'M GOING TO BE DOING THAT. 
          I'VE ASKED JESSICA TO DO THAT. 
          UH, ONCE SHE'S OFF COUNCIL, UH, SHE WOULD HAVE, IF SHE HAD SPARE TIME THAT SHE COULD START ATTENDING THE MEETINGS. 
          JUST MAKE OUR PRESENCE KNOWN 
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WOULD BE HELPFUL, I THINK. 
          UH, PETE, GO AHEAD. 
          AND THEN I HAVE ONE OTHER THING TO ADD. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I, UH, WANNA JUST CHIME IN AND REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE HAD A MEETING HERE JUST YESTERDAY WITH, UH, OFFICIALS FROM, UH, NORTHERN ARIZONA, UH, HEALTHCARE. 
          THAT WAS A REMARKABLY DIFFERENT MEETING THAN IT HAD BEEN IN THE PAST, EVER. 
          SO IT IS OUR DUTY AND OUR OBLIGATION TO OUR CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS TO TRY TO HAVE THE DIALOGUE ALWAYS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THE OLD HONEY AND VINEGAR LINE, RIGHT? WE, WE NEED TO TRY TO WORK TOGETHER. 
          SO YOU, I THINK YOU KNOW WHERE I AM, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ALL ALL ARE, BUT THERE WAS A BOARD MEMBER WHO HAS BEEN A BOARD MEMBER FOR IN EXCESS OF 10 YEARS THAT IS ON VIDEO SAYING, YOU KNOW, THEY COME, THEY SPLIT THE MEETINGS, THEY CHINO, UH, PRESCOTT AND SEDONA, UH, UH, CLARKDALE. 
          AND HE SAID, WHY ARE WE COMING HERE? WE, WE ARE WASTING OUR TIME COMING. 
          AND I'M PARAPHRASING, DON'T TAKE ME BY WORD, BUT PARAPHRASING, WE SHOULDN'T BE HERE. 
          IT COSTS OUR STAFF A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY TO COME HERE WITH THE VIDEO EQUIPMENT TO RECORD OUR MEETINGS. 
          WE SHOULD JUST STAY IT AT PRESCOTT AND VIDEO OUR MEETINGS AND LET PEOPLE ATTEND BY ZOOM. 
          MM-HMM, , THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY DO REPRESENT THE RESIDENTS OF THE VERDE VALLEY AND THEY SHOULD EQUALLY REPRESENT US. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING MAYBE SOMEDAY. 
          AND, AND PETE, YOU BRING UP A, A GOOD COMPARISON FROM NAH, BUT THAT WAS AN AMAZING MEETING THAT WE HAD YESTERDAY. 
          I WISH THE PUBLIC WAS HERE FOR THAT ONE AND THEY COULD WATCH IT ONLINE. 
          BUT IT WAS A LOT OF GREAT THINGS COMING FROM NAH UH, THAT'S IN THE WORK. 
          SO, UH, I'M GONNA END THIS ITEM UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE. 
          NOTHING ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S GO TO 
          [3.b. AB 3127 Discussion/possible direction regarding potential Land Development Code changes to address the construction of sport courts on private property. ]
ITEM B, AB 31 27. 
          DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING POTENTIAL LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES TO ADDRESS THE CONSTRUCTION OF SPORT COURTS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          CARRIE? HI MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. 
          UM, I AM JOINED TODAY BY LAURA STEWART. 
          SHE'S OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ASSISTANT. 
          SHE DID SOME OF THE INITIAL RESEARCH THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET. 
          AND, UM, IF WE WERE, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE SHE WAS ACKNOWLEDGED FOR HER WORK, BUT ALSO IF WE ARE GIVEN DIRECTION TO CONTINUE THIS, SHE WILL BE PART OF IT. 
          SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE WAS PART OF THIS MEETING. 
          THANK YOU FOR COMING, LAURA. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          SO THIS IS A WORK SESSION, UM, LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON SPORT COURTS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          I HAVE A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION THAT WILL SUMMARIZE THE INFORMATION IN THE PACKET. 
          UM, SO AS A BACKGROUND, SPORT COURTS, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEM, THEY COULD INCLUDE A VARIETY OF THINGS. 
          TENNIS, BASKETBALL, FOURSQUARE AND PICKLEBALL, UM, OR SPORT COURTS IS KIND OF THAT JUST GENERAL CATEGORY. 
          OUR CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES NOT HAVE ANY REGULATIONS AND WE HAVE NEVER HAD ANY REGULATIONS IN REGARDS TO SPORT COURTS. 
          WE GENERALLY CONSIDER THEM IN THE SAME WAY. 
          WE'VE CONSIDERED CONCRETE PATIOS OR BACK SLAB, CONCRETE SLABS IN A BACKYARD, UM, WHICH ARE ALLOWED WITHOUT A PERMIT. 
          UM, OTHER THINGS THAT ARE TYPICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH SPORT COURTS ARE REGULATED. 
          SO LOT COVERAGE. 
          UH, THE AREA OF THE SPORT COURT WOULD COUNT TOWARDS THE TOTAL LOT COVERAGE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE. 
          UM, IF THERE'S OUR, IF THERE ARE FENCES AND WALLS, GENERALLY THEY LIKE TO BE FENCED IN. 
          AND SO WE WOULD ISSUE PERMITS FOR FENCES. 
          THERE'S LIGHTING, IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET OUR OUTDOOR LIGHTING ORDINANCE. 
          IF THERE'S GREAT SIGNIFICANT GRADING THAT'S NEEDED TO FLATTEN OUT AN AREA, THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH POTENTIALLY A GRADING PERMIT AND MAKE SURE THE DRAINAGE AND ALL OF THAT, UM, IS COMPLIANT. 
          AND THEN JUST NOISE REGULATIONS. 
          THE CITY ALSO OBVIOUSLY HAS JUST OVERARCHING NOISE REGULATIONS FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON THE PROPERTY YOU NEED TO COMPLY WITH. 
          SO WHILE THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE CONCRETE SLAB HAS NOT BEEN REGULATED, UM, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH SPORT COURTS THAT WE DO HAVE PERMITTING AUTHORITY ON. 
          UM, AND SO SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A PERMIT SPECIFICALLY FOR A SPORT COURT, WE DON'T HAVE A RECORD OF NECESSARILY HOW MANY THERE ARE IN THE CITY. 
          SO WHAT LAURA HAD HAD DONE WAS GO THROUGH OUR AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY AND LOOK FOR THEM THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          UM, THESE ARE THE ONES SHE FOUND. 
          UM, THERE'S PUBLIC COURTS AT PASTA GROUND IN SUNSET PARK. 
          WE HAVE KIND OF SEMI-PUBLIC COURTS. 
          SO WE HAVE TWO HOTELS AND FOUR HOAS THAT PROVIDE THESE TYPES OF COURTS FOR EITHER THEIR GUESTS OR THEIR RESIDENTS. 
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AND THEN WE FOUND SEVEN DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL HOMES WITH SPORT COURTS ON THEM, FIVE BEING TENNIS COURTS. 
          ONE IS A BASKETBALL COURT AND ONE IS A PICKLEBALL COURT. 
          WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT HISTORY OF EACH OF THESE PROPERTIES, AND WE DID NOT FIND ANYTHING RELATED TO NOISE OR THE USE OF THE COURTS. 
          UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THESE JUST QUICK AERIALS, THESE ARE THE COURTS AT POSSE GROUND PARK. 
          UM, THIS IS WHERE THE CURRENT PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED. 
          YOU HAVE SOME TENNIS COURTS OVER HERE, AND THEN THE BASKETBALL IS DOWN HERE. 
          UM, SUNSET PARK, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE THE COURTS SHOWN THERE. 
          UM, THE COURTS AT LOS ABOGADOS ARE DOWN BY THE CREEK. 
          UM, COURTS AT POCO DIABLO ARE ALONG 1 79. 
          AND MYSTIC HILLS HAS COURTS TWO COURTS. 
          THE COTTAGE IS AT COFFEE POT, WHICH IS AT THE END OF, UH, SOLDIERS. 
          PASS ROAD HAS ONE COURT. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, MOST OF THESE, IF THEIR TENNIS COURT, THEY ALSO HAVE PICKLEBALL LINES PAINTED ON THEM, IF THAT'S OF INTEREST TO YOU. 
          UM, THIS IS COST AND CONTENTA. 
          AND IT LOOKS LIKE AT ONE POINT THEY HAD TWO TENNIS COURTS, BUT ONE OF THOSE TENNIS COURTS WAS FULLY CONVERTED, NOT JUST WITH THE LINES BEING PAINTED ON THERE. 
          UM, LAY SPRINGS HAS LOOKS LIKE ONE FUNCTIONAL COURT, BUT POTENTIALLY AT ONE POINT IN THE PAST THEY HAD TWO. 
          AND THEN THESE ARE THE RESIDENTIAL ONES. 
          THESE THREE, UM, IN THIS PICTURE, AND THEN THIS FOLLOWING PICTURE ARE ALL OFF OF DRY CREEK ROAD. 
          UM, THIS ONE IS DOWN IN THE CHAPEL AREA. 
          UH, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. 
          OH, CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT? SORRY. 
          THE CHAPEL AREA, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A PICKLEBALL COURT. 
          OH NO, THE TENNIS COURT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S A TENNIS COURT. 
          SO THE, THE, IT'S RIGHT BY MY HOUSE. 
          SO, UM, SO THE, THE FOUR OFF OF DRY CREEK ROAD AND THIS ONE ARE ALL TENNIS COURTS. 
          UM, WE HAVE THIS ONE OFF OF SOLDIERS PASS THAT IS A PICKLEBALL COURT. 
          WE GOT THAT BASED ON THE MEASUREMENTS. 
          IS THAT ON, UM, ENCHANTMENT DRIVE ENCHANTED WAY? YES. 
          ENCHANTED WAY. 
          I KNOW WHO THAT IS ALSO. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAD A BASKETBALL COURT OFF OF LITTLE SCOUT. 
          SO THOSE WERE THE, THE ONES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY JUST FROM AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS. 
          OH GEEZ. 
          WHAT HAPPENED HERE? UM, SO TODAY, THE WORK SESSION WAS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL BACK ABOUT A MONTH AGO. 
          UM, AS PART OF YOUR PACKET, YOU WERE PROVIDED WITH EXAMPLES OF ORDINANCES AND POLICIES THAT WE FOUND IN OTHER CITIES AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AS FAR AS REGULATING THE THIS USE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          AND SO IF THE DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL TODAY IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO BEGIN WORKING ON SOME CODE CHANGES TO ADDRESS SPORT COURTS, WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR TYPES OF REGULATIONS. 
          SO TIME, MANNER, PLACE, TYPES OF REGULATIONS, APPLICABILITY, ANY THOUGHTS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ON HOW TO DEFINE A SPORT COURT, ANY CHANGES THAT YOU MIGHT THINK MIGHT NEED TO BE MADE TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE. 
          AND THEN ALSO IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC OUTREACH AS OBVIOUSLY A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT WOULD GO THROUGH PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. 
          BUT IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR ANY SPECIFIC OTHER PUBLIC OUTREACH THAN THE TYPICAL NOTICING OF THOSE HEARINGS, UM, WE'D BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING THAT TOO. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          BRIAN, LET'S START WITH YOU IF YOU'D LIKE. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UH, QUESTION TO KURT ACTUALLY TO START. 
          SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IS GRANDFATHERED BY THE, FOR THE EXISTING COURTS, INCLUDING THE NEW PICKLEBALL COURT IN THE PRIVATE NEIGHBORHOOD? YEAH, SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL GENERALLY, UM, AND, AND IN THIS CASE, ANYTHING THAT'S CONSTRUCTED THAT'S LEGALLY PERMITTED AT THE TIME IT'S CONSTRUCTED WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED. 
          SO ANY REGULATION, IF FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY DECIDES TO ADOPT A NEW SETBACK OF 200 FEET FROM PROPERTY LINES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ALL EXISTING COURTS ARE NOT GONNA HAVE TO BE TORN OUT AND MOVED THERE, GRANDFATHER, AND THEY WILL REMAIN. 
          AND WE ALREADY HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE FOR DAYTIME AND NIGHTTIME HOURS AND DATA SUGGESTS THAT THE NOISE LEVEL FROM PICKLEBALL EXCEEDS THAT. 
          SO THAT IS AN ENFORCEMENT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE DO HAVE EVEN FOR ANY OF THESE GRANDFATHERED PROPERTIES. 
          CORRECT? YES. 
          AND, AND IN ADDITION TO THE, THE DECIBEL LEVELS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, THERE'S ALSO THE, UM, THE UNNECESSARY NOISE IN RESIDENTIAL AREA ORDINANCE, WHICH IS IN THE SAME, UH, SAME SECTION, SAME CHAPTER. 
          AND THAT INCLUDES, UM, ANY NOISE THAT WOULD, THAT'S, UM, I, I FORGET THE EXACT LANGUAGE, ANY NOISE THAT, UH, DISTURBS THE PEACE AND QUIET OF A NEIGHBORHOOD GENERALLY. 
          AND THAT CAN INCLUDE IMPULSE NOISES. 
          SO, 
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UM, BUT AS CARRIE MENTIONED, APPARENTLY NONE OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE EXISTING COURTS. 
          BUT IF A COURT WERE CONSTRUCTED AND DID, DID CAUSE UM, UH, AN UNNECESSARY NOISE, UH, AND SUFFICIENT TO DISTURB THE PEACE AND QUIET OF A PERSON OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THEN THEY COULD BE CITATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN IF COUNSEL TODAY WAS, UH, LED TO PROVIDE DIRECTION TO CRAFT ORDINANCE LANGUAGE, UH, DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PUT A MORATORIUM IN PLACE LIKE AN EMERGENCY MORATORIUM RIGHT NOW SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HURRY HURRYING UP AND COMING IN AND TRYING TO GET ANOTHER COURT STARTED WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH OUR PROCESS IN THE MEANTIME? SO I, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE A GOOD WAY OF DOING THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, MORATORIUMS ARE CONTROLLED BY THE STATE PROCESS, UH, AN AREA OF PREEMPTION. 
          UH, AND IT INCLUDES, SO ANY TYPE OF BUILDING MORATORIUM HAS TO BE FOR, FOR, UH, LACK OF PUBLIC RESOURCES TO SERVE THAT, THAT, AND WE DON'T HAVE A LACK OF PUBLIC RESOURCES RIGHT NOW. 
          IS THERE ANOTHER TERM TO USE BESIDES MORATORIUM? IS THIS AN EMERGENCY? IS THIS A EMERGENCY OF THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF THE PUBLIC FOR WHICH PERHAPS THE MAYOR COULD INVOKE, UH, AUTHORITY TO SAY NO, GO ON ANY NEW COURTS IN THE MEANTIME? NO. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, TRUE EMERGENCY HERE. 
          UH, THE, THE EMERGENCY POWERS OF MAYORS HAVE BEEN RESTRICTED SINCE COVID, UM, AND A LOT OF THE BATTLES OVER THAT. 
          AND SO THAT'S LIMITED TO MORE TRUE, UM, EMERGENCIES, LIKE A, A PUBLIC UNREST OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          SO NO, THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAY TO, TO OKAY, FOLKS, PLEASE, TO, TO BAN SOMETHING BEFORE ACTUALLY ADOPTING IT. 
          AND, AND FURTHERMORE, THE, THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED BY PUBLIC WORKS AND THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE COULD SUPPORT WOULD BE REASONABLE TIME, PLACE, AND MANNER RESTRICTIONS AND NOT OUTRIGHT BANS ANYWAY. 
          UM, AND 'CAUSE THAT'S ALL THE DATA SUPPORTS, UH, EVEN FROM UC, THE OTHER CITIES WHERE THEY, THEY WILL REGULATE A SPORTS COURT, UM, BY RESTRICTING MAYBE HOURS OR LOCATION OR PLACEMENT, BUT THEY'RE NOT OUTRIGHT BANS. 
          UH, 'CAUSE THERE'S, THAT'S, UH, NO STUDIES THAT I'M AWARE OF, SUPPORT JUST OUTRIGHT BANNING A CERTAIN TYPE OF, UH, SPORT ACTIVITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR MELISSA, DON'T GO ANYWHERE. 
          KURT, THIS IS ALSO FOR YOU. 
          UM, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REQUIRE PEOPLE TO PUT IN MITIGATION FOR EXISTING COURTS? SO FOR INSTANCE, LET'S SAY WE DID NOISE AND WE SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS OUR, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE YOU MOVE YOUR COURT BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          HOWEVER, ONE OF OUR NOISE THINGS IS WE REQUIRE, IF YOU'RE WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN SOUND BAFFLING OR WHATEVER, SOME KIND OF SOUND MITIGATION CAN, CAN ANY OF THAT BE, UM, IMPOSED, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD, UM, ON SOMEONE WHO ALREADY HAS A COURT IN, IN PLAY, SO TO SPEAK. 
          SO THERE'S A INTERSECTION OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UM, PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT HAPPEN WHEN THAT OCCURS. 
          SO THERE IS ROOM FOR SOME, UM, ADJUSTMENT OF, OF, OF ORDINANCES AND RULES RE REGULATING USES OF ACTIVITIES. 
          SO THE, THE PROPERTY AND THE USE WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED. 
          UM, THE, THE GOAL OF GRANDFATHERING OF NON-CONFORMING USES IS, IS TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE. 
          UM, SO I WON'T SAY THAT NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          THERE WON'T BE. 
          BUT THE, GENERALLY THEY'RE GONNA BE GRANDFATHERED. 
          WE COULD LOOK AT SOME WAYS TO PERHAPS ENCOURAGE, UM, AND OVER TIME BRING ALL PROPERTIES INTO COMPLIANCE WITH NEW REGULATIONS, INCLUDING PERHAPS SOME, SOME SOUND BARRIERS OR QUIET PADDLES OR BALLS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          SO I WON'T, I WON'T SAY NO. 
          UM, BUT GENERALLY, GENERALLY, NO. 
          SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE, YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A MAYBE SOFT, MAYBE AN ALMOST MAYBE VICE MAYOR, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY LOOKING AT SOME FORM OF REGULATION WITH SETBACKS AND, UH, ANOTHER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES, HOW QUICKLY, CARRIE, DO YOU THINK YOU COULD GET THEM IN FRONT OF US? I, UM, PROBABLY A MINIMUM OF THREE TO FOUR MONTHS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK A MONTH TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING, A MONTH TO DO THE REQUIRED NOTICING AND PACKET FOR P AND Z AND THEN ANOTHER MONTH TO, UM, DO THE SAME THING FOR COUNCIL WITH VARIATIONS IN THERE BASED ON TIMING OF MEETINGS, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          SO IT'S NOT A, 
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A QUICK REMEDY, BUT IT'S NOT A PROLONGED ONE EITHER. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN TAKE A COUPLE YEARS IF YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT, UM, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          , WE, YEAH. 
          IF IT'S JUST A, A SINGLE ISSUE ITEM, UM, AND THAT WAS JUST COMING BACK FOR THAT WE CAN, AGAIN, IN THREE MONTHS WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE WOULD NEED. 
          AND WE DO HAVE A PROCESS WHICH REQUIRES US TO GO THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          MM-HMM,  AS WELL AS COUNCIL. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT WOULD NEED TO GO TO, AND THAT WOULD COUNT AS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING FOR YOUR ORDINANCE. 
          UM, AND THERE WOULD BE OPPORTUNITIES AGAIN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND, AND ALL OF THAT AT BOTH PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JESSICA, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YEAH. 
          UM, KURT, IF NO ONE HAS COMPLAINED ABOUT THE EXISTING COURTS, WOULDN'T IT BE A STRETCH TO ACQUIRE MITIGATION FOR SOMETHING THAT ISN'T AN ISSUE? SO THERE, THERE ARE STUDIES, UM, AND EXAMPLES FROM OTHER CITIES WHICH THE CITY CAN RELY ON IN ORDER TO, IN INFORM ITS REGULATIONS. 
          I KNOW GOING FORWARD, I'M TALKING ABOUT RETROACTIVELY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I MEAN, GENERALLY, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT IS ALWAYS GONNA BE COMPLAINT BASED ANYWAYS. 
          AND SO WITHOUT COMPLAINTS THEN THERE'S BEEN NO REASON FOR THE CITY TO TAKE ACTION OR ANY REASON FOR THE CITY FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE TO TAKE ACTION ON ANY OF THE EXISTING OF THE EXISTING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          WHAT, UH, JESSICA ASKED ABOUT PEOPLE MAKING COMPLAINTS. 
          I'M LOOKING AT THESE VIDEO, THESE GRAPHICS HERE, AND I SEE SOMETHING THAT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE, OUR AUDIENCE THAT'S HERE IN THE, UH, EXAMPLE OF DRY CREEK ROAD. 
          THE PICKLEBALL COURT'S NOT NEAR ANYONE'S HOME. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S SEEMS TO BE THE CASE THAT EVERYBODY HAS DONE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, UH, BADGER, I HAPPEN TO KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THEY HAVE A TENNIS COURT AND IT, THE TENNIS BALL COULD BE HEARD FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF A HOUSE TO THE STREET AND THEN TO THE NEXT STREET. 
          BUT IT WAS NEVER USED FOR YEARS, ALMOST DECADES BECAUSE THE OWNER NEVER USED IT. 
          BUT NOW IT TURNED INTO A SHORT TERM RENTAL. 
          AND THAT'S A, SO THERE WOULD'VE BEEN NO COMPLAINTS 'CAUSE IT WAS NEVER USED. 
          I THINK, THINK IF ANYTHING, MAYBE WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND, AND I UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC HERE IS COMPLAINING THAT THIS PICKLEBALL COURT THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION IS 10 FEET FROM THEIR HOME. 
          RIGHT? SO THAT'S, I THINK WHAT MAYBE A DIFFERENCE WHY THERE'S NO COMPLAINTS, THESE PEOPLE WHO'VE DONE THESE, I KNOW THE ONE ON ENCHANTED WAY I HAPPEN TO KNOW THE PRIOR OWNER, AND MANY OF US DO. 
          THEY TOOK GREAT, GREAT CARE IN NOT DISTURBING THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, UNLIKE THE PERSON THAT'S BUILDING NEAR THESE PEOPLE. 
          SO THAT COULD BE WHY I THINK WE DON'T KNOW WHY. 
          AND I THINK WE CAN MAKE SOME, WELL, I MEAN, THIS IS COMMENTS AND I CERTAINLY NOT THE, YOU WANT ME TO FINISH IT? I MEAN, I THINK I'M JUST ASKING IF THAT'S WOULD WHAT MY OBSERVATION IS, IF THAT WOULD ADDRESS WHY YOU WOULD THINK THAT NOBODY, NO, I THINK MY GUT FEELING IS THAT MOST OF THEM ARE FAR ENOUGH AWAY AND WOULD BE HANDLED BY WHATEVER DISTANCE REGULATIONS WE MIGHT PUT IN EFFECT. 
          UM, AND THAT, SO NO, I DON'T, THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE FOR ONE OF THEM, , BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE KNOW WHAT THE CASES ARE FOR ALL OF THEM. 
          I DON'T THINK WE CAN GUESS WHAT THEY ARE. 
          I THINK WE HAVE TO TALK THIS OUT ABOUT WHAT'S THE MOST REASONABLE THING TO DO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          YOU'RE NEXT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I, RIGHT ALONG THOSE LINES, I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION, KURT, BECAUSE I WONDER AND SOMETIMES BELIEVE THAT WE DON'T GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT THINGS BECAUSE MAYBE OUR COMMUNITY DOESN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY CAN LEGALLY COMPLAIN ABOUT. 
          AND I AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT OUR NOISE ORDINANCE OR REGULATIONS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT UNNECESSARY DISTURBANCE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, WHAT IT REALLY SAYS, AND WHETHER OUR COMMUNITY IS FULLY EDUCATED ON HOW TO, WHAT THEY CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT AND HOW TO DO IT. 
          AND KURT, I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN'T GIVE US A, A, A A A BRIEF REVIEW OF WHAT THAT PROCESS IS. 
          SO IN ORDER TO, I MEAN, ANYTIME ANYONE HAS A CONCERN ABOUT, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH A CITY ORDINANCE, THEN THERE'S TWO METHODS OF, WELL, THERE'S A HANDFUL OF METHODS. 
          ONE, YOU CAN MAKE A COMPLAINT ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          YOU CAN CONTACT CODE ENFORCEMENT DIRECTLY. 
          IF IT'S AFTER HOURS, THEN NOISE COMPLAINTS 
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CAN GO TO THE, THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO ARE ALSO, WILL ALSO GO AND INVESTIGATE ANY UNREASONABLE NOISES OR NOISES THAT VIOLATE THE CITY'S, UH, NOISE ORDINANCE AROUND SURROUNDING THE DECIBEL LEVEL. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE THREE EASIEST, QUICKEST WAYS TO, UH, DRAW ATTENTION TO A NOISE CONCERNING. 
          AND WHAT IS THE DECIBEL LEVEL? UH, SO IT'S, IT'S 55 OVERNIGHT, UH, IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND 65 DURING THE DAY. 
          AND WHAT IS THE SOUND LEVEL OF A PICKLEBALL? UH, THE IMPULSE NOISES, I BELIEVE CAN APPROACH 90 TO A HUNDRED. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I, THAT WAS, IF YOU SEE IN THE PACKET, I MEAN, THAT WAS THE EXACT RESPONSE THAT SCOTT STILL GAVE. 
          AND HOW THEY GENERALLY REGULATE, UM, PICKLEBALL NOISES IS THEY, IF THEY'RE THAT LOUD AND THEY'RE BOTHERING SOMEONE, THEN THEY ALREADY VIOLATE THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND THEY CAN THEN ISSUE CITATIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , AND THIS IS UNLIKE VEHICLE NOISE. 
          THIS IS NOT OCCUPIED BY THE STATE  WE'RE ALLOWED TO CREATE, AND WE DO HAVE OUR OWN REGULATION. 
          IS THAT 60 NUMBER, IS THAT A STANDARD NUMBER THAT'S USED? ARE WE REQUIRED TO USE THIS 60 DECIBEL NUMBER? THE, THE 55 AND 65 IS 55 OR SO. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY 1560, SO YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          UM, THE, UH, I I I'D SAY THEY ARE STANDARD, UM, OFTEN IT'S 55, 65. 
          IT'S RIGHT AROUND THOSE TWO LEVELS. 
          SO, BUT YEAH. 
          AND WE ARE NOT PREEMPTED BY THE STATE IN THIS AREA. 
          UM, IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT CITIES REGULARLY, REGULARLY. 
          SO I DO THINK IS, YOU KNOW, I I'M INTERESTED IN OUR CONVERSATION AND THINKING ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S SOME REGULATION ABOUT SPORTS COURTS THAT WE SHOULD BUILD AS A, A CITY. 
          I THINK PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE STR THINGS, BUT, UM, EDUCATION OF OUR COMMUNITY OF WHAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE UPSET ABOUT AND ASK THE CITY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, I WOULD ALSO COMMENT, I THINK WE DO SOME EDUCATION ON THAT. 
          WE, WE GET PLENTY OF CALLS THAT ARE UNSUBSTANTIATED COMPLAINTS. 
          AND SO WHEN PEOPLE HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING, THEY'RE, WE GET THOSE PHONE CALLS AND WE ANSWER THEM. 
          AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, UM, REGULATE, CODE ENFORCEMENT GOES OUT. 
          BUT THERE'S OTHER THINGS WHERE YOU SAY LIKE, YEAH, THERE THAT IS WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF WHAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO. 
          PEOPLE DO CALL AND ASK THAT. 
          SO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I, I KNOW THAT WE'RE, WE, WE HAVE A LOT, BUT I'M PARTICULARLY INTERESTED ABOUT NOISE, WHETHER PEOPLE CALL FOR NOISE UNRELATED TO SDR PARTY NOISES OR WHATEVER. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHETHER THEY'RE GENERALLY, UH, UH, THINKING ABOUT PEACE AND QUIET IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND YEAH, WE PROBABLY NEED TO GET CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE POLICE INVOLVED IF YOU WANTED SOME, IN MORE INFORMATION ON HOW MUCH THEY DO. 
          JUST 'CAUSE A LOT OF THE NOISE COMPLAINTS ARE OVERNIGHT THINGS WHERE WE GO TO THE POLICE AND NOT TO OUR DEPARTMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          KATHY, UM, THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION IN THE PACKET. 
          I THINK THE, UH, SCOTTSDALE AND THE PARADISE VALLEY INFORMATION WAS, WAS HELPFUL IN CHINA. 
          THINK OF HOW THIS WOULD BE TREATED. 
          UH, BUT WHAT STRIKES ME IS THAT NEITHER OF THEM SUPPLIED, I MEAN, IN THE, I THINK THE PARADISE VALLEY ONE WENT INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, BUT REALLY A GOOD DEFINITION OF SPORTS COURT. 
          UM, SO I I AM, I'M JUST THINKING PICKLEBALL, NOBODY SAW THAT COMING UNTIL MAYBE 10 YEARS AGO. 
          IT STARTED TO GAIN, UM, DISC GOLF. 
          NOBODY SAW THAT COMING UNTIL ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO. 
          IT STARTED TO GAIN POPULARITY. 
          SO HOW DO WE, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA DIFFERENTIATE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING NEXT, YOU KNOW, QUIDDITCH MAYBE, I DUNNO, , UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING NEXT TO BE THE POPULAR SPORT, BUT SOMETHING PROBABLY WILL. 
          SO HOW DO WE DO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T JUST SEGREGATE IT OUT? SO I'M INTERESTED IN, IN, IN WHAT CARRIE AND KURT, WHAT YOUR DEFINITIONS MIGHT BE OR HOW WE WOULD CAPTURE THAT, THAT WOULD INCLUDE EVERY, LIKE BOCCE OR VOLLEYBALL OR DISC GOLF BASKETS. 
          I MEAN, WE, WE NEED TO THINK COMPREHENSIVELY ABOUT THIS. 
          SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS AT THIS POINT ON DEFINITIONS AND WHAT KIND OF DIRECTION ARE YOU LOOKING FOR FROM US REGARDING DEFINITIONS? S SO THAT, I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO IT BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A, A WORK SESSION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT THINGS THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT, IT WOULD BE SIZES. 
          SO YOU COULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE STANDARD SIZE OF A PICKLEBALL CORD OR A, YOU KNOW, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN STILL DO A, A SMALL PATIO IN THEIR BACKYARD OR A TERRORIST PATIO. 
          SO IT'S LIKE A FLAT AREA UNOBSTRUCTED, A MINIMUM OF WHATEVER SIZE. 
          UM, THAT IS ONE THING YOU COULD DO. 
          UM, ARE YOU THINKING OF, OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YOU WOULD'VE TO BE NOT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT OR ATTACHED IS 
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PROBABLY A BETTER WORD TO THE HOME TO DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM A PATIO, BECAUSE THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A GRAY AREA. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO LIKELY WHAT WE WOULD DO IS KIND OF START OFF WITH SOME IDEAS, BUT ALSO GO AND DO SOME RESEARCH INTO WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE POTENTIALLY DONE IN THIS AREA. 
          UM, IT, IT WOULD BE KIND OF COMBING THROUGH DIFFERENT, UM, HOW, HOW OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE APPROACHED IT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT, WE, THAT'S JUST NOT WORK THAT WE'VE DONE AT THIS POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IF YOU GUYS HAVE IDEAS OF WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO BE INCLUDED, UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT WE COULD, THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE'RE TRYING TO CRAFT SOMETHING. 
          IF WE, UM, I PROBABLY WOULD, BUT I'LL RESERVE THAT FOR COMMENTS 'CAUSE IT'S COMMENTS, NOT QUESTIONS, BUT I DO HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, COVERED THAT THE NOISE, IF THERE WAS, IF THERE WERE NOISE RESTRICTIONS, THEY WOULD APPLY PRO UH, RETROACTIVELY, I MEAN, ANYBODY WHO HAD ANYTHING IN, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT'S NOT JUST, SO THE, THE, THE NOISE ORDINANCE ALREADY APPLIES TO THE ENTIRE CITY AND HAS BEEN IN EFFECT FOR, FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          UM, COUNSELOR DUNN'S QUESTIONS ABOUT ADDITIONAL MITIGATION EFFORTS LIKE SOUND WALLS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES THAT WE COULD ENFORCE ON EXISTING COURTS. 
          SO, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE, UH, MAYBE THERE, THERE SHOULD BE SOME OPPORTUNITY, BUT GENERALLY THEY'RE GONNA BE GRANDFATHERED IN AS IS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS, IS THAT WE'VE HAD SOME LARGE HOMES BEING BUILT INTENTIONALLY, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          I AM, I AM JUST TRYING TO LOOK INTO THE POTENTIAL FUTURE IF ONE PICKLEBALL COURT GOES IN, OR ONE TENNIS COURT, OR ONE BACHE COURT, WHATEVER IT IS, VERSUS FOUR. 
          I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE THERE BECAUSE I'M WORRIED ABOUT SMALL TOURNAMENTS. 
          THERE'S NOT PLACES BECAUSE SOCIETY STILL CATCHING UP TO THE NEEDS HERE. 
          SO I'M WORRIED ABOUT LIKE SMALL TOURNAMENTS TAKING PLACES IN, IN PLACES OF MULTIPLE COURTS. 
          COULD WE LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF COURTS THAT ONE CAN HAVE AS WELL? SURE. 
          YEP. 
          I THINK WE COULD LIMIT THAT AS WELL, JUST AS WE LIMIT THE NUMBER OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND OTHER TYPE OF LIMITATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL AND LIGHTING IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN SOME THOUGHT TO? YEAH, I MEAN, SO WE ALREADY HAVE OUR EXTERIOR LIGHTING ORDINANCE, UM, WHICH ESSENTIALLY FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE WOULD REQUIRE IT TO BE FULLY SHIELDED. 
          UM, IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK INTO NOT ALLOWING POLE LIGHTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN, IN A MM-HMM. 
           IN A YARD, THAT WOULD BE, UM, PROBABLY SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BRIAN, YOU HAD A FOLLOW UP QUESTION AND I I WILL GO. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR KURT, BACK TO YOU AGAIN. 
          SO THE ONE PICKLEBALL COURT THAT'S BEING BUILT AT SKY MOUNTAIN, SO THE, THERE'S THE SAYING THAT YOUR RIGHT TO SWING YOUR FIST ENDS RIGHT AT MY FACE, RIGHT WHEN IT HITS MY FACE. 
          YOU'VE NOW GONE TOO FAR. 
          RIGHT? SO IN THE CASE OF THAT PICKLEBALL COURT, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE MINIMAL SETBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS IN THE BACKYARD AND SO FORTH, AND KNOWING THAT THE SOUND IS GOING TO BE IN EXCESS OF 65 DECIBELS, IF ANYBODY'S PLAYING DOESN'T, THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY, I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE OUT COMPLIANCE WITH OUR NOISE ORDINANCE THE FIRST TIME SOMEBODY STRIKES A BALL ON THAT COURT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE IF I'M STANDING AT THE BACK LOT LINE, IF I'M THE NEIGHBOR AND I'M STANDING AT THE BACK LOT LINE, YOU JUST HIT ME WITH MORE THAN 65 DB. 
          RIGHT? SO HOW, WHAT, HOW AGGRESSIVE CAN WE BE ABOUT MAKING IT JUST VERY CLEAR? I MEAN, SORRY YOU SPENT THE MONEY ON THIS, BUT FRANKLY, UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME SERIOUS MITIGATION TO SOMEHOW KEEP THIS FROM HITTING ME IN THE FACE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT LOT LINE. 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE IN EXCESS OF 65 DB DURING THE DAY. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE IF THERE WAS A QUESTION IN THERE, BUT YET THE, OH, OTHER THAN THERE'S A QUESTION OTHER WE CAN CITE DAILY FOR A VIOLATION OF, OF NOISE, UH, ORDINANCES AND EVENTUALLY, UH, AFTER DAILY CITATIONS, UM, THEN THE COURT CAN ALSO ISSUE, UM, ISSUE ORDERS OF ABATEMENT AND EVENTUALLY IF IT CONTINUE TO TURN INTO A NUISANCE TYPE PROBLEM AND THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL CITATIONS BECAUSE OKAY, THAT'S DISCUSSION. 
          I'LL STOP THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR, CAN I FOLLOW UP TO PLEASE  THIS QUESTION, WHICH IS, IS IT POSSIBLE THEN, AND, AND THEN MELISSA WANTS TO GO AFTER THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE TO APPLY ONE NOISE RESTRICTION TO A PART OF A PROPERTY THAT WOULD NOT APPLY TO THE FULL PROPERTY OR ANOTHER PART OF THE PROPERTY? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR THAT. 
          NO, THE NOISE ORDINANCE 
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IS APPLIED BY, UH, PARCEL ZONING. 
          AND SO THE ENTIRE RESIDENTIAL AREA GETS, REGARDLESS OF PARCEL LINES, GETS APPLIED THE SAME, UH, NOISE ORDINANCE. 
          IT CHANGES THAT COMMERCIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A GOOD ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU WANT, YEAH, MELISSA, GO AHEAD. 
          SO I'M GONNA KIND OF GO BACK FOR A SECOND TO, UM, BRIAN'S QUESTION, AND THIS IS PROBABLY AIMED AT CARRIE OR STEVE OR ANNETTE OR ANDY. 
          UM, AND NOT, NOT KURT, IN OTHER WORDS, UM, ANYBODY BUT COULD LAUREN, SO LAUREN WILL PROBABLY END UP DOING IT. 
          SHE, SHE MIGHT. 
          UM, SO THERE'S JUST THIS INTERESTING QUESTION THEN AROUND, YES, I AM BEING BOTHERED BY THE NOISE OF THIS PICKLEBALL COURT, WHICH IS BASICALLY SITTING RIGHT ON MY PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO I CALL, I DON'T KNOW WHO I CALL, LET'S SAY, UH, NON-EMERGENCY POLICE WHO THEN CONTACT ORDINANCE, WHO THEN DECIDE THEY GO OUT, BUT NO ONE'S PLAYING. 
          NOW HOW, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM WHEN THEY'RE PLAYING? IT'S NOT A PROBLEM WHEN THEY'RE NOT PLAYING, AND IF YOU COME OUT AT THE RIGHT TIME, THEY'RE NOT PLAYING. 
          SO HOW ARE RESIDENTS SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO CATCH THEM IN THE ACT WITH THE ORDINANCE TEAM? NOT THEM PERSONALLY, BUT THE ORDINANCE TEAM, OTHERWISE IT JUST BECOMES THIS HUGE CIRCLE. 
          OH, NO, KURT'S GONNA ANSWER, I WILL ANSWER  UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE WANTED TO. 
          BUT, UH, I WOULD COMPARE THIS MOST LIKELY TO A BARKING NOISE, UH, BARKING DOG ORDINANCES, UM, THAT OFTEN HAPPEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT FOR CERTAIN PERIODS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND, AND SO THE WAY TO PROVE THAT IS JUST BY RECORDING IT IN THIS DAY AND AGE. 
          SO AUDIO OR VIDEO RECORDINGS OF THE SOUND. 
          NOW WE WON'T NECESSARILY GET THE, THE DECIBEL LEVEL PROVEN AT THAT POINT, BUT YOU, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE, THE SECOND PART OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE, WHICH IS THE UNNECESSARY NOISE IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH COULD, UM, VERY WELL BE PROVEN JUST THROUGH, UM, VIDEO RECORDINGS. 
          SO THEY COULD, IF THEY WANTED TO, FOR INSTANCE, TAKE A HANDHELD DECIBEL READER HOLD IT UP AT THE PROPERTY AND AS THEY'RE FILMING THE NOISE, IT CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THE DECIBEL READER IN THE FRAME. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT PART OF THE PROBLEMS AND WHY WE HAVE THE, AND WHY ALL CITIES HAVE THE UNNECESSARY NOISE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, CATCHALL PART OF THE ORDINANCE IS THAT IMPULSE NOISES AREN'T CAUGHT REAL WELL IN DECIBEL METERS. 
          MM-HMM, , UM, THEY'RE SO SHORT. 
          UM, THEY'RE LESS THAN A SECOND GENERALLY. 
          AND SO IT'S NOT GONNA REGISTER 65 DECIBELS IF YOU HOLD UP, BUT JUST, JUST SHOWING THAT IT'S GOING ON AND WE, AND KNOWING THE VOLUME OF, OF PICKLEBALL, UH, NOISE, UH, COULD BE SUFFICIENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VICE MAYOR. 
          WELL, IT'S A DIFFERENT PART OF THE TOPIC RIGHT NOW. 
          IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD A TENNIS COURT, A PICKLEBALL COURT OR ANY OTHER SPORTS COURT ON THEIR PROPERTY, DO THEY GO THROUGH A, A REVIEW WITH, WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT? SO OUR TIP OUR PROCESS RIGHT NOW, SO WE DO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          PEOPLE CALL AND SAY, CAN I BUILD THIS COURT? UM, SO AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T NECESSARILY, WE DON'T HAVE A PERMIT FOR THE ACTUAL COURT. 
          WHAT WE WOULD SAY IS YOU CAN'T EXCEED YOUR LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS, UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT A FENCE AROUND THEM, MOST PEOPLE WANT TO PUT FENCES AROUND THEM. 
          THEY HAVE TO MEET THE FENCE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WITHIN YOUR SETBACKS, YOU'RE LIMITED TO SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          AND GENERALLY THEY WANT TO GO HIGHER THAN SIX FEET. 
          SO THEN JUST BY THAT DEFAULT, THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE SETBACKS. 
          UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A, I MEAN, BASED ON THE AERIALS, YOU, A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE A COUPLE ACRES OR AT LEAST AN ACRE JUST BECAUSE TO HAVE THAT AMOUNT OF SPACE, YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON LIKE A QUARTER ACRE LOT WITH A HOUSE AND ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GRADE, THEY HAVE TO FLATTEN OUT A LARGE AREA. 
          THERE'S POTENTIALLY A GRADING PERMIT WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT DRAINAGE AND RETAINING WALLS. 
          SO IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO FLATTEN AREA OUT AND NOW THEY HAVE TO BUILD A RETAINING WALL, WE'LL LOOK AT THE RETAINING WALL. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH COURTS THAT WE PERMIT. 
          UM, BUT THE ACTUAL COURT, WE DON'T BECAUSE IT'S LOOKED AT THE SAME WAY AS LIKE A CONCRETE SLAB IF YOU WERE GONNA DO THAT. 
          BUT YOU THINK THERE'S VALUE TO PERMITTING? OF COURSE. 
          THAT'S WHAT OUR JOB IS, . 
          UM, I THINK IT, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT, LIKE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK THROUGH, IS HOW DO WE DIFFERENTIATE A CONCRETE SLAB THAT'S BEING BUILT FOR THIS VERSUS SOMEONE JUST WANTING TO HAVE A CONCRETE PATIO IN THEIR BACKYARD. 
          UM, BASKETBALL COURT BASKETBALL YEAH. 
          IS DIFFERENT MATERIAL. 
          OR A SAND VOLLEYBALL COURT OR A SAND VOLLEYBALL. 
          YEAH. 
          SO ANYWAY, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D HAVE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT. 
          BUT LIKE I SAID, THERE'S ENOUGH THINGS AROUND THAT ARE TYPICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH PEOPLE BUILDING COURTS 
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THAT WE DO PERMIT. 
          AND SO, YEAH, I GUESS UNLESS SOMEONE JUST WANTED TO, THEY ALREADY HAD A PRETTY FLAT LOT AND THEY WERE JUST GONNA POUR A CONCRETE SLAB AND NOT PUT UP ANY WALLS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING WHICH, SO ARE INSPECTIONS DONE FOR ALL THOSE PERMITS BY CODE ENFORCEMENT? YES. 
          WELL, NOT, NO. 
          BY OUR BUILDING INSPECTORS. 
          I MEAN, BUILDING, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEY ARE CURRENTLY NOW WITH ALL THE WRAPAROUND MM-HMM. 
           REGULATIONS, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AS LONG AS THEY GET PERMITS FOR THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP? OKAY. 
          UM, ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THIS GO TO PMZ FIRST BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO US? WELL, IT HAS TO. 
          I'LL LAND ALL MY CODE. 
          HA I MEAN, I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT, YEAH, WE WILL FOLLOW ALL REQUIRED PROCEDURES FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS. 
          I JUST WANNA BE SURE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ASSUME, BUT I HATE TO DO THAT. 
          I, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING 'CAUSE IT'S REQUIRED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M TELLING YOU THAT IT HAS TO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          I JUST HAVE COMMENTS OF WHAT I ANTICIPATE WOULD BE GOOD SUGGESTIONS. 
          SO WHY DON'T WE GO WITH, UH, WELL, BEFORE WE GO TO COMMENTS, LET'S TAKE CARDS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA BE OPENING UP THE, THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION AND WE WILL, UH, WAS, ARE YOU READY FOR THE CLOCK? OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL START WITH BECKY, UH, HOFFER AND THEN CRAIG AFTER BECKY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK AGAIN. 
          UH, AS YOU CAN TELL, OUR GROUP IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS. 
          WE, THE MIC CLOSER TO YOU BECAUSE WE CAN . 
          ANN, WE APPRECIATE THE ATTENTION THAT YOU ARE GIVING TO THIS AND I THINK THAT EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM AGREES. 
          NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE NEXT TO A PICKLEBALL COURT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE KIND OF LEGISLATIONS TAKE TIME. 
          UH, BUT WE REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE THE FOCUS TO DRIVE THIS FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. 
          UM, JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A QUICK UPDATE. 
          FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE 400 SIGNATURES ON OUR, OUR LOCAL PETITION. 
          I WANNA STRESS, THIS IS A LOCAL PETITION. 
          WE KEPT IT TO SEDONA. 
          WE DID SEND IT TO FAMILY AND FRIENDS. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME NON SEDONA ADDRESSES, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE PART-TIME HERE WHO SIGNED THAT PETITION. 
          UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE CRUX OF THE PICKLEBALL ISSUE IS THE IMPULSIVE NOISE, THAT SOUND OF THE PICKLEBALL HITTING THE PADDLE. 
          IT'S CLASSIFIED AS IMPULSIVE NOISE AND CLOCKED AT ABOUT 110 DECIBELS. 
          UH, THIS CERTAINLY EXCEEDS THE DAYTIME SEDONA NOISE LIMIT OF 60 DECIBELS, WHICH BY THE WAY, IS HIGHER THAN MANY OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WE LOOKED AT WHO HAD ISSUES WITH PICKLEBALL. 
          UH, IT'S ALSO HIGHER THAN THE EPA RECOMMENDATION OF 55 DECIBELS FOR DAYTIME 45 DECIBELS PER NIGHT. 
          SO WE URGE THE CITY COUNCIL, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THIS, MIGHT AS WELL LOOK AT THE DECIBEL LEVELS THAT ARE ALLOWED AS WELL. 
          UH, AS A REMINDER, AND I HAD TO DO A PRIMER ON THIS TOO. 
          UH, DECIBELS ARE A UNIT OF MEASURE OF THE SOUND PRESSURE OR VOLUME THAT'S ON A LOGARITHMIC SCALE RELATIVE TO A REFERENCE LEVEL. 
          SO IF YOUR REFERENCE LEVEL IS ZERO AND THE DECIBELS IS 10, 10 IS 10 TIMES HIGHER THAN ZERO DECIBELS. 
          IF THE DECIBEL LEVELS IS 20, THEN 20 DECIBELS IS A HUNDRED TIMES HIGHER THAN THE BASE REFERENCE LEVEL. 
          SO, LIKE I SAID, A PICKLEBALL PADDLE STRIKE IN A HARD PLASTIC BALL ONE TIME IS 110 DECIBELS. 
          AND THAT HAPPENS ABOUT 900 TIMES IN A SINGLE HOUR OF PICKLEBALL. 
          PLAY AT A HUNDRED FEET AWAY. 
          THE PICKLEBALL SOUND IS STILL 70 DECIBELS. 
          AND IF OUR NOISE ORDINANCE IS 60, THAT'S 10 TIMES LOUDER THAN THE SEDONA DAYTIME LIMIT CODE LIMIT. 
          AND THAT NOISE RADIATES UP TO 977 FEET AWAY. 
          SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE IMPACTED BY IT. 
          UH, I THINK YOU'RE AWARE THAT KEEPS SEDONA BEAUTIFUL, HAS ALREADY SHARED A POSITION STATEMENT SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT OF LAND USE CODE TO PLACE LIMITATIONS ON PRIVATE PICKLEBALL COURTS IN RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES. 
          THE KSB LETTER SUGGEST LIMITATIONS ON PERMITTING, REQUIRING NOTIFICATIONS OF NEIGHBORS ESTABLISHING MINIMUM SETBACK RULES, NOISE ABATEMENT STRATEGIES THAT PROTECT OUR VIEWS. 
          FINISH YOUR, JUST FINISH YOUR SENTENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, LIMITING HOURS OF PLAY PROHIBITING OUTDOOR LIGHTING AND CREATING NOISE LIMITS. 
          SO WE REALLY WANNA ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO MOVE QUICKLY ON THIS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO ADDRESS THE 
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COUNCIL? CRAIG, WHY DON'T YOU WORK YOUR WAY UP. 
          UH, ANYBODY ELSE? THIS IS THE TIME, UH, TO DO SO. 
          YOU COULD FILL OUT A CARD AFTERWARDS. 
          JUST INDICATE IF YOU PLAN TO DO THAT. 
          UH, GREG, YOU'RE UP. 
          THREE MINUTES. 
          YOU KNOW THE DRILL. 
          CRAIG SWANSON, RESIDENT OF SEDONA REPRESENTING KEEPS SEDONA BEAUTIFUL. 
          THANKS FOR MENTIONING OUR LETTER. 
          OUR BOARD UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THIS LETTER. 
          WE HAVE A LONG HISTORY, UH, CONCERNING NOISE POLLUTION. 
          WE WERE THE ENTITY THAT FACILITATED THE VOLUNTARY HELICOPTER NOISE AGREEMENT. 
          AND WE THINK THIS IS REALLY I IMPORTANT, UH, AND I QUESTION WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL SPORTS COURTS. 
          PICKLEBALL IS QUALITATIVELY AND QUANTITATIVELY DIFFERENT THAN OTHER SPORTS. 
          AS SHE MENTIONED, PICKLEBALL 70 DECIBELS A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE COURT. 
          10 IS 40 DECIBELS ON AVERAGE. 
          THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 40 AND 70 IS ENORMOUS AND IT'S UNBEARABLE. 
          IF YOU LOOK ON THE WEB AND LOOK AT CITIES WHO HAVE BEEN SUED BY RESIDENTS COMPLAINING OF PICKLEBALL BALL NOISE, ONE OF THE FREQUENT COMPLAINTS THEY HAVE IS THAT IT'S UNBEARABLE. 
          THE AMOUNT OF TIME, THE AMOUNT OF HITS THAT ARE THERE, THE FREQUENCY OF PICKLEBALL IS BETWEEN 1,002 THOUSAND HERTZ. 
          AND THIS IS THE MOST SENSITIVE HEARING RANGE, FREQUENCY RANGE. 
          AND IT'S LIKE THE BEEP OF A GARBAGE TRUCK BACKING UP. 
          IMAGINE THAT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN ALL DAY LONG. 
          NEXT TO YOU, THE BEEP OF A GARBAGE TRUCK, UM, TENNIS STRINGS ARE APPROXIMATELY 500 HERTZ. 
          PICKLEBALL IS A THOUSAND TO 2000 HERTZ. 
          THAT'S WHY IT IS QUANTITATIVELY DIFFERENT THAN OTHER SPORTS AND DESERVES SEPARATE ATTENTION, A SEPARATE PORTION OF THE CODE TO DEAL WITH IT. 
          AND LIMITATIONS SPECIFICALLY ON PICKLEBALL, LIKE HAVE BEEN DONE IN, UH, LOCALITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. 
          AND IN CANADA. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S ONLY GONNA GET WORSE. 
          AND EVENTUALLY, UH, MY BELIEF IS THE CITY OF SEDONA WILL BE SUED BY SOMEBODY WHO IS DRIVEN CRAZY, WHOSE PROPERTY VALUES ARE LOWERED, WHO CAN'T SELL THEIR HOME. 
          AND THERE YOU, YOU LOOK ON THE WEB FOR INFORMATION ABOUT PICKLEBALL AND THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT COMES UP. 
          PEOPLE UNABLE TO SELL THEIR HOME BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO A PICKLEBALL COURT. 
          SO ESTABLISHING REGULATIONS ABOUT PICKLEBALL SPECIFICALLY IS THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO. 
          AND THE LIST OF THINGS THAT I SENT TO YOU GUYS THAT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER ARE THE APPROPRIATE THINGS TO PUT IN THAT REGULATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, CRAIG. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AGAIN, NOBODY ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL BE CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENT AND UH, BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL. 
          AND FINAL COMMENTS. 
          MAY I MAKE A COMMENT TO ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS? I'M SORRY. 
          CAN, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT TO ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS, UM, JUST TO LET HER KNOW THAT ANY HANDOUT SHE MAY WISH TO PRESENT A COUNSEL SHOULD GO TO THE CLERK? YEAH. 
          YES. 
          YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD AND MAKE THAT COMMENT. 
          . 
          OF COURSE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOU HAVE, UH, SEVEN COPIES, OR EIGHT ACTUALLY EIGHT COPIES. 
          I NEED SIX. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST GIVE IT TO THE CITY CLERK AND SHE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          JESSICA, I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE SORT OF WORRYING ABOUT ALL OF THE DEFINITIONS WE'D NEED AND HOW TO ALLOW CHILDREN IN NEIGHBORHOODS . 
          AND I AM PARTICULARLY LIKE CRAIG'S IDEA. 
          I THINK THAT WE WILL AVOID MOST OF THE THORNY PROBLEMS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK ABOUT AND DECISIONS YOU WOULD HAVE TO ABOUT, ABOUT WHAT A COURT IS AND IF WE JUST REGULATE PICKLEBALL. 
          SO I THANK YOU SO MUCH, CRAIG, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T BELIEVE YOU COULD RETROACTIVELY OR IT'S RIGHT OR ANY BASIS FOR RETROACTIVELY DEMANDING MITIGATION. 
          IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS, AND I HAVE ACTUALLY NOT NOTICED THAT A LACK OF COMPLAINING IS A SEDONA RESIDENT CHARACTERISTIC, UM, I THINK PEOPLE HERE ARE PERFECTLY WILLING TO COMPLAIN. 
          WHAT I DO BELIEVE IS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE REASONABLY SO DON'T WANNA COMPLAIN ABOUT A NEIGHBOR BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO LIVE THERE AND THEY DON'T WANT BAD. 
          I'VE ACTUALLY HEARD PEOPLE SAY THAT TO ME. 
          SO I THINK THAT 
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IS PROBABLY A FACTOR. 
          UM, MY REAL, MY REAL WORRY ABOUT SO MUCH THAT I'D HEARD IS THAT I DON'T WANNA PROHIBIT PEOPLE FROM HAVING FUN AND FROM ENGAGING IN ENJOYMENT OF THEIR LIFE AND THEIR BACKYARD. 
          I DON'T WANT I PEOPLE WITH KIDS TO BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST. 
          'CAUSE KIDS TEND TO MAKE MORE NOISE WHEN THEY PLAY. 
          THEY PLAY BASKETBALL, THEY PLAY IN SANDBOXES. 
          UM, AND I JUST THINK THAT GOING IN THAT DIRECTION IS JUST THE WRONG THING TO DO. 
          HAVING TO SORT OF DENOTE EVERY SINGLE EXCLUSION TO EVERYTHING, WHICH IS WHY I THINK CRAIG'S IS SO BRILLIANT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO ACCEPT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF NOISE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY HAS TO ACCEPT PICKLEBALL. 
          AND I THINK WITH THAT, THAT IN MIND, I THINK WE CAN VERY CLEARLY ADDRESS THE UNIQUE ASSAULTS THAT PICKLEBALL BRINGS AND ALLOW OUR NOISE ORDINANCE AND OUR OTHER ORDINANCES TO HANDLE THE OTHER, THE OTHER ISSUES THAT MIGHT ARISE. 
          SO THAT'S MY COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU, PETE. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I WANTED TO START BY JUST SAYING THANKS TO THE STAFF FOR, I THOUGHT THE USE OF THE SATELLITE SEARCHING OF THE EXISTING COURTS WAS A, A, A UNIQUE APPLICATION THAT I'VE SEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE DAIS. 
          I WILL ADMIT I WAS A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT DISCLOSING ADDRESSES FOR THE PRIVATE, UH, RESIDENCES, BUT ANYONE COULD FIND THEM WITH A SATELLITE THEMSELVES. 
          SO, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING. 
          UM, SECOND, I WANNA JUST COMMENT THAT SINCE THE MEETING STARTED, I DOWNLOADED A SOUND, UH, LEVEL APP ON MY PHONE. 
          UH, I, I DOWNLOADED FROM MY IPHONE, IT'S OVER 60 DAYS NIOSH, UH, SLM SOUND LEVER METER APP. 
          SO ANYONE CAN GET THAT. 
          THEY'RE EASY, RIGHT? I USED TO HAVE ONE. 
          I TRIED TO FIRE IT UP AT THE START OF THE MEETING AND THEY, THEY NOW CHARGE. 
          SO THEN I FOUND ANOTHER FREE ONE IN THE TIME OF THE MEETING AND THE SOUND LEVEL SINCE, UH, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN TALKING, EITHER STAFF OR THE AUDIENCE HAS BEEN BETWEEN 50 AND 70 DB AND THIS IS ON MY PHONE BEHIND SCREENED FROM EVERYONE BEHIND, UH, THE D WALL HERE. 
          SO I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING TO NOTE. 
          OF COURSE, 50 TO 60 DECIBELS IN OUR NOISE ORDINANCE IS MEASURED AT THE PROPERTY LINE, NOT AT THE SOURCE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO DB IS CERTAINLY A FUNCTION OF THE DISTANCE. 
          AND THEN, UH, REGARDING, UH, COMMENTS OF, UH, WHETHER WE SHOULD FOCUS ON DISC GOLF OR NOT. 
          I THINK IT'S, WE MIGHT FOCUS IT ON THIS PERCUSSIVE NOISE SPORTS. 
          I THINK THERE'S OTHERS. 
          DISC GOLF IS ONE. 
          IF YOU HAD A DISC GOLF BASKET IN YOUR YARD, THAT'S ALSO A VERY PERCUSSIVE NOISE AND A PARTICULARLY HIGH FREQUENCY THAT I THINK IS PRETTY EQUIVALENT TO PICKLEBALL. 
          AND IF SOMEONE WERE OUT THERE PRACTICING DISC GOLF HITTING THEIR BASKET ALL THE TIME, YOU WOULD NOTICE IT. 
          AND I'VE DONE THAT, UH, UNTIL MY SHOULDER GAVE OUT. 
          AND I DON'T PLAY DISC GOLF ANYMORE. 
          UM, SO IT MIGHT BE JUST, IT MIGHT BE WIDER THAN DISC GOLF. 
          IT COULD BE PERCUSSIVE NOISE SPORTS, SOMETHING WE COULD TRY, UM, TO, TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          UH, WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, WE CAN ADDRESS SETBACK, OF COURSE, THE NUMBER OF COURTS, YOU KNOW, CAN WE ALLOW, UH, RESTRICTED TO PERHAPS JUST ONE. 
          WHAT ARE THE NOISE ABATEMENT TREATMENTS THAT WE REQUIRE? FENCE HEIGHTS, SCREENING MATERIALS, SURFACE COURT MATERIALS. 
          CAN WE EVEN DO THINGS LIKE PADDLE TYPES AND TREATMENTS OR BALLS, UM, LIGHTING METHODS AND HOURS, SURFACE ELEVATION ABOVE GRADE TIME OF OPERATION. 
          THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE COULD CONSIDER, RIGHT? THAT JUST CAME TOP OF MIND TO ME IS, IS WHAT CAUSES IT. 
          UM, I, I TOO, UH, LIKE COUNCILOR WILLIAMS, DON'T WANT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS NOT TO BE FUN, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, SEDONA CAN BE A SORT OF QUIET OR COMMUNITY IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. 
          AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN TRY AND DO THAT. 
          DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT DECIBEL LEVEL THAT EXISTS IN OUR CODE? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. 
          UM, BUT IT'S NOT SORT OF FAMILY NOISE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE AFTER HERE. 
          IT'S THIS REALLY PARTICULARLY DISTURBING PERCUSSIVE NOISES THAT, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS WE GO, WE GO AFTER WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE VIGOR. 
          SO THAT'S MY COMMENTS, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU PETE. 
          KATHY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT CAME FROM THE FLOOR WAS SEPARATING PICKLEBALL OUT. 
          I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 
          I, I THINK THE PROGRESSIVE NOISE WAS, IT WAS A GOOD SUGGESTION THAT CAME FROM MY COLLEAGUE HERE. 
          UM, BECAUSE I THINK I ALSO WANT SEDONA TO BE A 
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FUN PLACE, BUT FUN FOR ALL. 
          AND ONE PERSON'S FUND MAY BE ANOTHER PERSON'S DISTURBANCE. 
          AND IT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS, IS BALANCE THINGS FOR EVERYBODY. 
          UM, I WOULD SUPPORT ABSOLUTELY US DOING THE RESEARCH AND COMING FORWARD WITH SOME PROPOSAL ON REASONABLE REGULATIONS. 
          UH, I THINK THAT WE, NOISE SHOULD BE A PART OF IT. 
          UH, I THINK THAT SETBACKS SHOULD BE A PART OF IT. 
          UM, LIMITATION ON NUMBER OF, OF COURTS OR FACILITIES. 
          UH, I SIZE SCREENING, LIGHTING. 
          I THINK ALL OF THOSE ASPECTS SHOULD BE LOOKED AT SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS SOMEBODY TO PURSUE THEIR SPORT OF CHOICE OR FUN WITHOUT IT, IT MAYBE IMPACTING THE OTHER PERSON WHO HAS AN AVERSION TO THE PARTICULAR TYPE OF NOISE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY NEIGHBOR'S SENSITIVE TO. 
          I MIGHT BE SENSITIVE TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM THEM. 
          RIGHT? UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE US, I I WOULD REALLY SUPPORT US LOOKING, DOING THE RESEARCH AND COMING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT LOOKS AT ALL THOSE ASPECTS. 
          THANK YOU, BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UH, I THINK ABOUT THIS AS TWO PROBLEMS WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. 
          ONE IS AN ORDINANCE, UH, UPDATE GOING FORWARD. 
          AND I AM, UH, INCLINED TO AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON YET AGAIN. 
          THAT, UH, THE FOCUS ON, UH, ONE TOPIC ONLY, UH, THAT BEING PICKLE BALLS, UM, REGULATION, UH, MOSTLY IN THE INTEREST OF TIME OF JUST GETTING IT DONE, UH, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND NOT CREATING MORE WORK FOR STAFF TO DO THE MORE EXPANSIVE LOOK AT SPORTS, UH, ASSUMING THAT THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO BE DELAYED IN BEING ABLE TO EVALUATE, UH, IN ORDINANCE. 
          SO, UH, I WOULD STICK TO JUST PICKLEBALL REGULATION. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE IS, AGAIN, THE ONE COURT THAT'S BEEN BUILT. 
          I WANT US TO HELP THE NEIGHBORS AS AGGRESSIVELY AS POSSIBLE TO REQUIRE MITIGATION AND IF NECESSARY TO ASSIST IN THE PROPERTY OWNER BEING CITED, UH, IF IN FACT OR EXCEEDING THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND THE OTHER, UH, ORDINANCE THAT KURT KEEPS TALKING ABOUT, THE GENERAL NUISANCE SORT OF THING. 
          SO I, I WANT US TO SUPPORT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS AGGRESSIVELY AS POSSIBLE. 
          UH, AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SHOULD SERVE NOTICE TO THE, THAT PROPERTY OWNER, UH, THAT HAS THE COURT THAT LIKE, LOOK, YOU, YOU HAVE TO MITIGATE TO 65 DB IN THE DAY, 55 AT NIGHT. 
          UM, PERIOD. 
          UM, SO THAT'S MY 2 CENTS. 
          THANK YOU MELISSA. 
          SO I GET THE WHOLE THING ABOUT PICKLEBALL VERSUS THE REST OF THE WORLD. 
          UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE DEFINITION, I ALSO UNDERSTAND BEING TOO BROAD, UH, FEELS WRONG BECAUSE WE REALLY ARE TALKING ABOUT A PARTICULAR SPORT. 
          HOWEVER, TO SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID EARLIER ON IN DAIS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S COMING NEXT. 
          AND SO IF YOU CREATE IN MY MIND A SPECIFIC ORDINANCE FOR PICKLEBALL WHEN THE NEXT PERCUSSIVE SPORT COMES ALONG, DO I NEED ANOTHER ORDINANCE FOR THAT ONE? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN DO I NEED ANOTHER ONE FOR THAT ONE? AND THEN SO FORTH AND SO ON. 
          SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO TELL ME IS WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE AND LIKE LOOKING AT BOTH OF YOU, UM, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US SAYING SOMETHING LIKE PICKLEBALL ONLY, WHICH I KNOW I'VE READ SOME CITIES HAVE SAID PICKLEBALL SPECIFIC ORDINANCE VERSUS SOMETHING THAT IS BROADER BUT NOT AS BROAD AS THE DEFINITION OF A SPORT COURT, WHATEVER A SPORT COURT MIGHT BE. 
          SO I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT. 
          IT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO INVESTIGATE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT IN THE LONG RUN, TAKING A FEW SECONDS NOW IT GOING TO PREVENT US FROM HAVING TO GO THROUGH THIS ALL OVER AGAIN TWO YEARS FROM NOW OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW, OR WHENEVER THE NEXT GREAT THING COMES ALONG FOR ALL OF US OLD PEOPLE. 
          SO FOR SURE THAT I WOULD, I ALL THE REST OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID FOR SURE, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE UP THERE ON YOUR LIST WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT. 
          UM, THOUGH IT DOES, DOES BEG THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK OUR GENERAL NOISE ORDINANCE IS SET TO THE RIGHT DECIBEL. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT AT ALL. 
          UM, I'VE HEARD SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT WE'RE LOUDER THAN OTHER CITIES. 
          UM, I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, I'VE READ THINGS THAT SAY 55, BUT YOU CAN'T GO OVER 55 DECIBELS. 
          'CAUSE IF YOU DO OVER A CONTINUOUS PERIOD OF TIME, IT CAN CREATE HEALTH ILL HEALTH ISSUES AS WORLD HEALTH EPA BACK IN THE SEVENTIES SAID THE SAME THING. 
          SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY APPETITE FOR US TO, TO DIRECT OR ASK STAFF TO JUST SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE REST OF THE WORLD RIGHT NOW AROUND JUST SERVE GENERAL NOISE 
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AND CITY THAT'S JUST OUT FOR THE ES. 
          I DON'T, I'M NOT DIRECTING ANYBODY EXCEPT US TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING OF INTEREST. 
          OTHERWISE, I THINK ALL THE REST OF THESE, THESE THINGS THAT YOU'VE GOT UP THERE, CARRIE, I THINK THOSE ARE EXACTLY THE RIGHT THINGS FOR US TO BE INVESTIGATING OR ACTUALLY FOR YOU TO BE INVESTIGATING AND FOR US TO BE THE RECIPIENTS THEREOF. 
          VICE MAYOR, I WAS HAVING THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS AS MY COLLEAGUES HERE. 
          SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T BOG US DOWN TAKES FOREVER SO THAT WE MISS THE WHOLE, I'D LIKE TO GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON PICKLEBALL 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WE CAN DO THAT MM-HMM. 
           IF WE ACT QUICKLY AND PROMPTLY. 
          SO I WANNA DO THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT OUR NOISE LEVELS AND SEE WHETHER WE'RE IN LINE WITH OTHER PLACES. 
          SO SHOULD IT BE 55, 45 AND MAYBE NOT EXHAUSTIVE, BUT ENOUGH SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE WE FIT WITH OUR, WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND OTHER COMMUNITIES LIKE COMMUNITIES, JUST LIKE YOU DID WITH THE PICKLEBALL ORDINANCE. 
          I THINK THAT, UH, KS B'S LIMITATIONS, INCLUDING PERMITTING SHOULD BE REVIEWED. 
          SO LIGHTING, UH, NOISE, UH, SETBACKS, MINIMUM NO OR THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF COURTS, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          AND I'M COMPLETELY IN SUPPORT OF DOING THIS AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO US. 
          MM-HMM,  GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO I TOO AGREE, UH, WITH MY COLLEAGUES, UH, HAS ME CONCERNED ON THE LIMIT LIMITING NUMBER OF, UH, COURTS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU PUT OUT FOLKS ABOUT, UH, COMPETITIONS AND WHAT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT IN EIGHT PICKLEBALL COURTS LIKE WE JUST DID AND HAD RIGHT NEXT TO SOMEONE ELSE'S HOME? SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING TO LIMIT. 
          I MEAN, UNLESS THEY HAVE 20 ACRES, I THINK IT SHOULD BE COMMENSURATE WITH THE SIZE OF THE, THE LOT, UH, THE SETBACKS TO THE NEIGHBORS I THINK IS IMPORTANT. 
          UH, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THESE, UH, PHOTOS HERE, ALL BUT ONE, UH, WAS, UH, A DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORS. 
          SO, BUT WHEN WITH THE ON INFLUX OF SHORT TERM RENTALS, THE BUYER IS NOT BEING CONSIDERATE OR MAY NOT BE CONSIDERATE TO THEIR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIVE HERE AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO IT. 
          SO, UH, I'M CON CONCERNED ABOUT THE DISTANCE AWAY AND THE SETBACKS, UH, LET THEM PUT IT RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR HOME AND MAYBE THEY'LL GIVE, UH, SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORS, BUT THEY DON'T SEEM TO WANNA DO THAT. 
          UM, PETE, YOU MENTIONED A GOOD, REALLY GOOD POINT ABOUT PERCA PERCUSSIVE NOISE AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT OF IT IN THAT WAY. 
          UM, AND CAN KURT, FOR YOU, CAN WE RESTRICT SHORT TERM, RE SHORT TERM RENTAL? I REALLY WANNA DO THAT. 
          UH, PICKLEBALL UNDER THE NOISE ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER NOISE OF ANY OTHER MOST HOME SPORTS, BASKETBALL, TENNIS, EVEN TENNIS IS DAMN ANNOYING, BUT SO IS, UH, BASKETBALL, BUT IT'S BOUNCING ON THE CONCRETE. 
          BUT THAT NOISE OF A PICKLEBALL IS SO MUCH MORE EVASIVE, CAN WE DO IT? SO IT IT IS ALREADY, UH, REGULATED BY THE NOISE ORDINANCE. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND IT IS LOUDER THAN THE OTHER SPORTS, AND SO IT WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO, UH, RESULT IN A CITATION. 
          SO IT'S RIGHT. 
          BUT I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH A WAY THAT IT COULD BE HAVE TO GO THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING OR GO THROUGH CALM DEV BECAUSE OF WHAT IT IS NOT. 
          AND I, I THINK IT WAS MELISSA WHO SAID, AND I'VE HEARD WE HAVE COMPLAINTS WITH PARTY HOUSES, THEY CALL THE POLICE, THE NOISE IS REALLY LOUD, BUT THEN BY THE TIME THE POLICE GET THERE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PRIORITY, THE NOISE IS GONE. 
          AND PETE, I UNDERSTAND THE APP THAT YOU HAVE, BUT IT'S, YOU CAN'T BE USED TO WRITE A SUMMONS FOR A CITATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT CERTIFIED AND CALIBRATED AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          BUT IT'S NICE INFORMATION TO KNOW, BUT IT'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE LEGALLY. 
          SO IS THERE ANYTHING WE COULD DO MORE THAN JUST, I DON'T WANT THESE PEOPLE TO GO WITH THE EXPECTATION OF, OH, WE'RE GONNA GO CALL, UH, PD EMERGENCY LINE, NON-EMERGENCY LINE. 
          HOPEFULLY IT'S A NON-EMERGENCY LINE SO IT DOESN'T TIE UP, UH, EXTRA RESOURCES, BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE MORE IN THEIR TOOLBOX THAT THEY COULD USE TO KNOW THAT WE COULD DO MORE FOR THEM. 
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SO THE NOISE ORDINANCE ALREADY PROHIBITS UNREASONABLE NOISE IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, INCLUDING IMPULSE NOISES. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WOULD CHANGE THAT TO OKAY. 
          UNLESS, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE'D BE ABLE TO JUST PUT IN THERE BANNING ALL PICKLEBALL IN THE NOISE ORDINANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON DISTANCE AND WHAT KIND OF BALLS AND RACKETS THEY'RE USING OR OTHER SOUND DEVICES THEY MIGHT HAVE IF, BUT, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE, UH, DISTANCE AWAY THE BAR AND SOUND BARRIERS. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THAT, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ENFORCEMENT, HOW IT WOULD REALLY BE ENFORCED OTHER THAN JUST THEY CALL PD AND THEN CALM DEV WILL BE ABLE TO, THEY'LL, THEY'LL NEED TO PROVIDE PLANS. 
          I AS A DEVELOPER WET NEED TO DO THAT. 
          HOW WOULD, UH, ANY REGULATIONS WE HAVE BE ENFORCED. 
          RIGHT. 
          AS FAR AS IF SOMEBODY NOW WANTS TO COME UP AND AFTER ALL SAID AND DONE, P AND Z APPROVES, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER CHANGES WE DO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO, UM, NOW GET A PERMIT TO BUILD IT. 
          IT'S NOT JUST A CONCRETE SLAB. 
          WELL, SO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND BUILDING CODE ARE DIFFERENT. 
          AND SO IF WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT SAID COURTS ARE ALLOWED UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES MM-HMM. 
           MM-HMM  ANYTHING THAT TRIGGERS A PERMIT IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THEY HAVE TO HAVE A FENCE, WELL THEN THAT'S GOING TO TRIGGER A PERMIT. 
          UM, THERE'S OTHER THINGS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT DON'T TRIGGER PERMITS THAT THEY STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH. 
          SO THERE'S THE, THERE'S ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES THAT WE DO WELL. 
          SO I'M LOOKING MORE IN TERMS, I'M NOT LOOKING TO MAKE IT MORE, MORE DIFFICULT FOR STAFF, BUT JUST IF SOMEBODY WERE TO, AFTER IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE WITH MM-HMM. 
           WITH GOOD, WHATEVER THE ORDINANCE IS, HOWEVER IT TURNS OUT AND SOMEBODY BUILDS A PICKLEBALL COURT, WE CAN HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND SAY, UH, WE HAVE THESE GUIDELINES. 
          IT HAS TO BE WHATEVER THE DISTANCE IS FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR. 
          AND IT'S NOT, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          YEAH. 
          IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S AN ORDINANCE AND SOMETHING IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT COULD ABOUT IT, WE CAN ENFORCE IT THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE FOR STAFF BEFORE? I THINK WE'VE GIVEN THE CLEAR DIRECT, I THINK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE LISTED A NUMBER OF THINGS AND I DON'T SEE, I DON'T HEAR ANYBODY SAYING DON'T DO THIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          MIKE? I WAS WATCHING CARRIE, SHE, MY QUESTION HAS TO DO LORD GETS IT TOO. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          ABOUT WHETHER WE LIMIT IT TO PICKLEBALL. 
          EXACTLY. 
          OR, OR TRY AND DEFINE PERCUSSIVE AND THEN I MEAN OKAY. 
          SO I MEAN, WELL, LET'S GET ADVICE JUST A MOMENT. 
          CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SURE. 
          IS, DO WE KNOW KURT, WHAT PERCUSSIVE IS WE HAVE TENNIS WOULD BE PERCUSSIVE. 
          CORRECT? DO WE KNOW WHAT PERCUSSIVE IS? UH, THERE'S A DE DEFINITION IN THE NOISE ORDINANCE FOR IMPULSE NOISES. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT YEAH, I MEAN I GUESS TENNIS WOULD PROBABLY BE AN IMPULSE I KNOW. 
          AND BASKETBALL, I THINK MY INITIAL THOUGHTS ON IT WOULD BE TO DEFINE SPORTS COURT AS A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD ON A HARD SURFACE. 
          AND IT COULD INCLUDE THEN WHATEVER ENDS UP COMING ALONG ALONG THE, ALONG THE LINE THERE. 
          SO I KNOW IT WOULDN'T, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE FRISBEE GOLF DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AT ALL OR ANY COURT. 
          SO THAT'S NOT EVEN GONNA BE, I THINK PART OF THIS, THIS DISCUSSION. 
          UM, HOLD ON KATHY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN SO ANY SPORTS COURTS IS GONNA HAVE TO BE SET SO FAR BACK. 
          SO, AND MAYBE THERE'S GONNA BE A SIZE TO IT THEN. 
          I DUNNO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT IT A LITTLE MORE. 
          WHAT IF SOMEBODY WAS ON A GRASS TENNIS COURT? YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          SO I DON'T THINK WE WOULD REGULATE GRASS OR, OR CLAY OR, SO IF WE CAN PLAY BOCE BALL AND GRASS, THAT'S NEVER GOING AS FAR AS I'M AWARE IT'S GONNA BE TOO LOUD FOR NEIGHBORS. 
          BUT IT COULD BE SUCH THAT A BASKETBALL HOOP ON A GARAGE WOULD NOT BE A SPORTS COURT, I WOULD HOPE WOULD BE MY HOPE. 
          AND I, THAT'S MY A GRAVES, WHAT IS IT? THE GRAVES OF FIGHTING PRIVATE PLACE. 
          SO THAT'S, BUT NONE, I THINK, DO THEY EMBRACE A REMINDER? THIS IS GONNA BE PRIMARILY A SETBACK ISSUE FOR NEW SPORTS COURTS. 
          SO IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT EVERYONE'S EXISTING DRIVEWAY, BASKETBALL HOOP. 
          UM, AND SO YOUR DEFINITION OF A SPORTS COURT WOULD BE WELL TO, TO BE, TO DETERMINE AND WE'LL, WE'LL COME UP WITH ONE AND TAKE IT TO PLANNING AND ZONING FIRST TO SEE THEIR THOUGHTS AND THEN COME BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          UM, BUT I, I DON'T SEE A, A GOOD WAY OF JUST TRYING TO REGULATE PERCUSSIVE, UM, NOISE. 
          AND YOU DON'T SEE A GOOD WAY JUST TO REGULATE PICKLEBALL SPECIFICALLY? OH, I, YOU COULD DO, YOU COULD DO THAT. 
          I THINK YOU COULD GIVEN AT LEAST IF, IF WHAT, UM, CRAIG SWANSON, 
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UH, TALKED ABOUT HOW THE, THE LARGE DIFFERENCES, IF IT'S TRULY THAT DIFFERENT FROM EVERY OTHER, UM, TYPE OF NOISE, SPORTS NOISE OUT THERE, THEN I THINK YOU COULD REGULATE JUST PICTURE. 
          AND THAT WOULD, IN MY, MY GOAL HERE IS I THINK THAT THE VICE MAYOR SAID IS TO TRY AND GET AHEAD OF THE PICKLEBALL CURVE AND NOT GET AHEAD OF STUFF. 
          WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS YET. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CAN ACTUALLY GET AHEAD OF STUFF. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS YET. 
          SO I, I MEAN I'M, MY GOAL IS JUST TO MOVE AHEAD OF WITH PICKLEBALL AND IF, IF COUNCIL FEELS THAT THERE'S A NEED TO GO FARTHER THAN THAT IN TERMS OF PERCUSSIVE OR EMERGING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT THE, IF IT WOULD BE SIMPLER UNLESS TIME CONSUMING TO HAVE TO DEFINE A BROADER UNIVERSE OF THINGS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THIS FROM BEING IMPLEMENTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          I, I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE FOR JUST DOING PICKLEBALL. 
          SO ONE OPTION THEN MAY TO DO PICKLEBALL OR, AND HAVE IT, WE CAN LEAVE A LITTLE OPINION BUT, UM, SPORTS WITH SIMILAR IMPULSIVE NOISE LEVELS. 
          OKAY. 
          SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO IF SOMETHING COMES ALONG WITH THAT'S LIKE PICKLEBALL IN NOISE MAKING, OKAY, THEN THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE INCLUDED. 
          BUT IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY INCLUDE TENNIS OR BASKETBALL. 
          'CAUSE THOSE ARE IN A DIFFERENT LEVEL. 
          BUT COULD I ARGUE THAT IT DOES, I GUESS I COULD ARGUE ANYTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          WE COULD SPECIFICALLY EXEMPT THEM WOULD BE ONE OPTION IF THERE WAS, WAS CONCERN THAT THEY WERE TO ALIKE. 
          UM, BASED ON SOME OF THE TESTIMONY GIVEN TO HERE TODAY IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE SEEMS TO BE VERY DIFFERENT AS FAR AS DECIBEL LEVELS. 
          I THINK THAT THAT AND IMPULSE LEVEL AND HURTS TOO. 
          SO MAYBE THAT HURTS WOULD BE AN OPTION. 
          UM, AND THOSE, THAT'S THE REASON I WANNA GO FOR PICKLEBALL ONLY. 
          NOW IN THE INTEREST OF, OF ADDRESSING SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW IS A REAL ISSUE AND THAT RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT BEING ABUSED, BUT THERE'S EVERY, AS I THINK KATHY SAID, THE MORE THINGS THAT ARE BEING BUILT, THE MORE POSSIBILITY, THE MORE, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT ARE BEING BUILT, THE MORE POSSIBILITY THAT THEY WILL PROLIFERATE. 
          AND WE NEED TO GET REALLY AHEAD OF IT RIGHT AWAY. 
          'CAUSE I THINK IT IS' INSUFFERABLE. 
          I I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT AND I DON'T AGREE WITH MUCH OF THIS STUFF. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          UH, JESSICA, KATHY, I'D LIKE TO ASK CARRIE IF SHE FEELS THAT IT IS, UM, WHAT IS YOUR INSTINCT ON THIS? IS IT QUICKER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH JUST THE ONE OR IS IT THE SAME SORT OF RESEARCH AND IT'LL COME INTO YOUR THINKING? WHAT IS THE TIME DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN LOOKING AT THIS MORE COMPREHENSIVELY VERSUS LIMITING IT? SO AS YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING, I DO SEE IT AS, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOESN'T REGULATE NOISE. 
          THE CITY CODE REGULATES NOISE AND IT'S A DIFFERENT PROCESS TO AMEND THAT. 
          AND SO IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT PERCUSSIVE NOISE SPORTS AS A PART OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE, THAT WOULD BE A CITY CODE AMENDMENT. 
          WHEREAS A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT WOULD BE WHERE CAN YOU BUILD, HOW MANY CAN YOU BUILD? HOW DO YOU LIGHT THEM? WHAT KIND OF FENCING? ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          AND THAT IS THE, THE, THE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO THERE ARE, THERE IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE NOISE IN THE CITY CODE AND IT WOULD BASICALLY BE PROBABLY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE IS, IS WHAT I'M HEARING. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME GENERAL STANDARDS FOR, UM, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES. 
          AND THEN WE COULD ALSO AT THE SAME TIME BE LOOKING AT NOISE ORDINANCES AND SEE WHAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO UPDATE IN THAT. 
          AND THEY WOULD NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME FORWARD AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO IF ONE MOVED QUICKER THAN THE OTHER TO HELP, WE COULD ACT ON ONE AND THEN TWO MONTHS LATER, FOUR MONTHS LATER, WHATEVER IT IS, WHEN THE OTHER ONE WE COULD ACT ON THE OTHER ONE. 
          CORRECT. 
          LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND, AND CITY CODE SEPARATELY. 
          I MEAN IDEALLY WE TRY TO GET THEM TOGETHER IDEALLY, BUT IN ORDER TO, 'CAUSE THEY ARE TIED. 
          BUT UM, IF SOMETHING WAS FINE, WE'RE FINDING MORE, IT WAS TAKING SIGNIFICANT MORE TIME TO RESEARCH ONE THING THAN THE OTHER, WE CAN DEFINITELY BRING THEM SEPARATE. 
          OKAY. 
          MELISSA? SO AS I, I SIT HERE AND I THINK ABOUT ALL OF THIS, UM, WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS NOISE ABATEMENT. 
          AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOISE ABATEMENT. 
          WE'RE GONNA TRY AND CONTROL THIS THROUGH VARIOUS MEANS. 
          ONE OF THE MEANS IS THESE, UH, POTENTIAL LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES AND PERMITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          HOWEVER, HERE'S A SCENARIO FOR YOU. 
          UM, I GET MYSELF A 
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A UH, PORTABLE PICKLEBALL NET ON AMAZON. 
          I GET MYSELF THE LAYOUT KIT FOR SETTING UP THE COURT ON AMAZON AND I DECIDE I'M GONNA PLAY ON MY DRIVEWAY. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT AND I DECIDE I'M GONNA PLAY IN MY CUL-DE-SAC. 
          UM, IT'S NOT A COURT. 
          THERE'S NO PERMITS, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING. 
          THERE'S ALL THE OTHER THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. 
          I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SOUND, HAVE EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE CODES. 
          AND SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES AND WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THEM IN TWO SEPARATE WAYS. 
          AND TO ME, IT GOES BACK TO WE SHOULD EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT OUR NOISE ORDINANCE CODE IN AND OF ITS ITSELF, WITHOUT SAYING PICKLEBALL OR ANYTHING ELSE, ACTUALLY FITS WHAT WE WANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY, FOR THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE PICK, IT'S THE OLD PICK PICK UP GAME OF BASKETBALL WHERE SOMEONE HAD LIKE A UM, MOVABLE NET AND THEY JUST PUT IT OUT ON THE STREET AND EVERYBODY GOES AND PLAYS. 
          IT'S THE SAME SORT OF THING. 
          AND SO I THINK I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO SORT OF SEPARATE THEM, THINK ABOUT THEM SEPARATELY, THROW IT OVER INTO YOUR SIDE OF THE COURT, SO TO SPEAK, AND HOPE THAT YOU'LL, UM, UNDERSTAND WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GO WITH THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU JUST LOBBED THAT RIGHT OUT. 
          DIDN'T ? I KNOW. 
          YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO STOP GOING LAST BECAUSE THAT I WAS THINKING VERY MUCH AND SOMEBODY, I READ AN EMAIL, SOMEBODY SAID TO ME, WHAT ABOUT YOU HAVE HOUSES WITH BIG ENOUGH DRIVEWAYS? THEY COULD DO JUST THAT, BUT THE, THE SOUND CODE, THE SOUND ORDINANCE WOULD DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, UH, DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. 
          SO, BUT I AGREE, UH, MAYBE, UH, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE SOUND CODE OR, UH, AS WELL. 
          ALRIGHT, YOU STILL HAVE YOUR DIRECTION AND NOT YOU GOOD WITH EVERYTHING? THAT'S FINE. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'VE ANSWERED THE SAME. 
          THE, THE QUESTION THAT COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON RAISED STILL HAS NOT BEEN ANSWERED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HOW MANY ON THE DAIS WANT, IN ADDITION TO DOING THE SOUND CODE, WHICH IS THE CITY ORDINANCE, HOW MANY PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL WANT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE TO BE CHANGED TO SET SOME STANDARDS FOR CONSTRUCTING PICKLEBALL COURTS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS TO BE LOOKED AT? NOT TO BE WE DON'T WANT CHANGE. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          WE'VE ALREADY SAID WE HAVE, WE ALREADY GOT THAT DIRECTION. 
          I DIDN'T THINK WE DID. 
          I AGREED WITH, I AGREED WITH MELISSA. 
          CARRIE, DO YOU HAVE THAT DIRECTION? SO WHAT I HAVE IS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE SOUND ORDINANCE FOR POTENTIAL PICKLEBALL AND PERCUSSIVE SPORTS NOISE. 
          BUT AS FAR AS COURT CONSTRUCTION, WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT SETBACKS, THE NUMBER OF COURTS, LIGHTING, HOURS OF OPERATION, SCREENING REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, BUT THE QUESTION REMAINS IS, IS IT PICKLEBALL OR ALL SPORTS COURTS? EXACTLY. 
          YES, EXACTLY. 
          THANK YOU KURT. 
          SO WE GOT JESSICA FOR PICKLEBALL. 
          PICKLEBALL, IF WE COULD GET SOME DIRECTION PICKLEBALL ON, ON BOARD WITH PICKLEBALL. 
          BRIAN WITH PICKLEBALL ONLY. 
          YES. 
          AT THIS POINT I, I JUST PREFER THE STAFF GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH A WAY TO ADDRESS IT, DO IT. 
          IF YOU, IF IT'S EASIER TO FOCUS ON PICKLEBALL, DO IT. 
          I MEAN, OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE STAFF IS GOOD. 
          WE'RE DIRECTING SOMETHING THAT YEAH'S BEYOND WHAT WE NEED TO DIRECT AT THIS POINT. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S NOT TOO OPEN-ENDED. 
          THANK YOU SCOTT. 
          ALRIGHT, NOW WE'RE GOING BEYOND. 
          YEAH, SO WE'VE GOT ONE FOR PICKLEBALL. 
          ONE THAT'S GOOD. 
          EITHER WAY. 
          LEAVING IT STAFF DISCRETION BEYOND PICKLEBALL, PICKLEBALL AND BEYOND. 
          THE QUICKEST WAY WOULD TO DO IT IS PICKLEBALL. 
          LORI IS IT'S PICKLEBALL. 
          I DON'T THINK IT CHANGES THE TIME. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          KURT HAD A SUGGESTION ABOUT HOW TO DEFINE, TO ADD PERCUSSIVE INTO, TO BE PICKLEBALL AND RELATE WHATEVER YOU SAID RELATED PERCUSSIVE I SPORTS PERCUSSIVE PER SPORTS. 
          I, I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY GOOD IDEA. 
          WELL, THAT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE IT WAS GONNA TAKE ANY KIND OF MAJOR TIME COMMITMENT. 
          I KNOW. 
          OVERTHINKING IT NOW. 
          I I CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          JUST WHAT? I'M JUST TALKING TO MYSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          LEMME KNOW IF YOU GET AN ANSWER, MR. MAYOR, WE HAVE A, A VOICE FROM THE BACK, FROM THE JURY BOX. 
          MR. MAYOR AND COUNSEL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, . 
          UM, I THINK THAT WE HAVE, EXCUSE ME, MORE THAN ENOUGH INFORMATION. 
          WE ARE NOT GONNA KNOW HOW LONG THIS IS GONNA TAKE UNTIL WE GET INTO IT. 
          WE ARE NOT GONNA KNOW THE DIRECTION THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO TAKE UNTIL WE FULLY GET INTO IT. 
          SO I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION, UH, FROM COUNSEL TONIGHT TO GET US STARTED AND, AND, UH, GET US DOWN THE ROAD AND THEN AT THAT POINT WE CAN SEE WHAT MIGHT BE THE BEST DIRECTIONS. 
          SO IT WON'T BE DONE BY TOMORROW, MONDAY. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN I, CAN I ASK CARRIE ONE LAST QUESTION? IS IT, THIS IS RELATED TO THIS TOPIC. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. 
          SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NOISE AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT AS 
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A CITY NOISE ORDINANCE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT WE ALSO, EARLIER I TALKED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DO SOUND MITIGATION AND SOUND MITIGATION WOULD PUT YOU IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SOUND ORDINANCE, THE NOISE ORDINANCE, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE. 
          BUT YOU MIGHT WANT CERTAIN THINGS TO BE CERTAIN WAYS, UM, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF HOW THEY DECIDE TO MITIGATE. 
          IF, IF YOU UNDERSTAND LIKE THEY CAN MITIGATE IN MANY WAYS. 
          THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SAY AND I DON'T KNOW THAT. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT BARRIERS, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT SCREENING BARRIERS MEAN. 
          SCREENING FOR WHAT? SO, UM, SO GENERALLY SCREENING WOULD EITHER BE FOR NOISE OR FOR VISUAL. 
          AND SO IF YOU WANT TO ENSURE THAT SOMEONE CAN'T SEE SOMETHING, YOU ARE GOING MAYBE VERSUS SOUND. 
          SO SOUND MIGHT BE NEED TO BE MORE SUBSTANTIAL TO GET TO STOP SOUND. 
          UM, BUT THEN AGAIN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A NOISE ORDINANCE, IT'S ONE WAY THAT YOU CAN MITIGATE OR COME INTO A COMPLIANCE WITH NOISE ORDINANCE IS TO BEEF UP YOUR SCREENING. 
          AND SO, BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO TYPICALLY IS UP TO A PROPERTY OWNER, WHICH I DON'T THINK I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. 
          WELL, YOU YOU DID SORT OF. 
          SO, UM, SOME OF THE, THE ORDINANCES THAT I LOOKED AT FROM OTHER PLACES MM-HMM. 
           ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT LIKE WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO USE AS SOUND BARRIERS, SOUND BARRIER MATERIAL, THE HEIGHT OF THE SOUND BARRIER, ALL THAT SORT OF THING, WHICH IS SORT OF LIKE OUR FENCING AND ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE, YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE INCLUDED OR YOU WOULD YOU THINK, NO, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          IT'LL GET HANDLED IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          SO THE, WE DO HAVE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE. 
          IT'S GENERALLY FOR VISUAL IMPACTS, NOT FOR SOUND IMPACTS, BUT IT WILL HAVE A LIST OF OPTIONS OF, YOU KNOW, YOU BETWEEN THESE TWO USES. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, VEGETATION 10 FOOT WIDE OR A SIX FOOT FENCE OR A COMBINATION THEREOF. 
          SO IT, WE CAN LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT, UM, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND LOOK AT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE ONE LAST QUESTION WE HAD ON HERE WAS PUBLIC OUTREACH. 
          SO, UM, PUBLIC MEETINGS, PUBLIC HEARINGS, THE PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, UM, ARE NOTICED, UM, AS CODE AMENDMENTS. 
          THEY ARE GENERALLY ONLY NOTICED THROUGH A NOTICE IN THE PAPER. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS CAME BEFORE YOU BASED ON SOME INPUT FROM A A CITIZEN GROUP. 
          UM, AND SO WE CAN JUST STICK TO THE STANDARD PUBLIC OUTREACH, WHICH AGAIN IS A NOTICE IN THE RED ROCK NEWS. 
          UM, BUT IF YOU WANTED US TO DO ANY ADDITIONAL OUTREACH, I'D ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ADD A TIME TO IT. 
          BUT IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE ANY MORE ROBUST PUBLIC OUTREACH, WE WERE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON THAT AS WELL. 
          I THINK YOUR NORMAL PLAN, WE DON'T WANNA SET PRECEDENTS AND CHANGE PRECEDENT, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT NOTIFICATIONS, PUBLIC OUTREACH. 
          THEY, THEY HAVE A, A PLAN THAT THEY NORMALLY FOLLOW. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE WILL END THIS, UH, DISCUSSION AND 
          [3.c. Discussion/possible action regarding ideas for future meetings/agenda items]
GO ON TO ITEM C, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING IDEAS OF FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS AS A ANYTHING ELSE? JESSICA, ARE YOU, UH, WITH US? I'M WITH THE DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEM? OH, I DO NOT. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ANYTHING ELSE? HEARING NOTHING. 
          THIS MEETING'S ADJOURNED. 
          [5. ADJOURNMENT]
IT'S A.
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