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CAN WE ASK EVERYBODY TO TAKE THEIR SEATS, PLEASE?[ 1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE ]
WE START THE MEETING, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR PHONES.WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN INVIS, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR.
OKAY, NOW, BEFORE WE START THE MOMENT OF SILENCE, UH, I WOULD LIKE JUST TO BRING EVERYONE'S ATTENTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO, UH, DO A MOMENT OF SILENCE IN RECOGNITION OF PETE FERMAN AND WISH HIM WELL WISHES ON HIS RECENT SURGERY.
HE'S DEFINITELY DOING VERY, VERY WELL.
AND LET'S SAY A PRAYER, SO THAT CONTINUES, AND WE CAN GET HIM BACK ON THE DAY WITHIN TWO WEEKS.
AND THEN ALSO, SEDONA LOST AN ICON, DENNIS OTT.
HE'S VERY WELL KNOWN IN THE ART COMMUNITY, AND HE'S SOMEONE THAT WILL BE SORELY MISSED.
SO PLEASE JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
[ 2. ROLL CALL ]
READ THE ROLL CALL? UH, SURE.ON THE MIC THERE YOU, MAYOR JALO.
AND COUNSELOR FURMAN IS EXCUSED.
[ 3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE ]
CONSENT ITEMS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE THE COUNCIL, THE STAFF, OR THE PUBLIC CAN HAVE AN ITEM ON CONSENT PULLED.UH, ARE THERE ANY, UH, INTEREST IN PULLING ANY ITEMS TODAY? OKAY, WE, I HAVE ITEM A THROUGH B.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? WHAT ABOUT C? I'M SORRY.
I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS A THROUGH C.
[ 5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS ]
EVENTS BY MYSELF, THE COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, OR, UH, COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS.I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION A, UM, AN EXCITING THEATER PRODUCTION THAT'S GOING TO BE AT THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM, NOVEMBER 1ST, SECOND, AND THIRD CALLED THE DEAD QUILTER SOCIETY.
AND THIS IS A PRODUCTION BY CHANDRA JEFFERSON AND DEV ROSS.
AND IT WILL BE AT FOUR O'CLOCK, UH, EACH DAY.
THE SHOW WILL BEGIN AT FOUR 30.
THERE'S A WINE AND CHEESE RECEPTION AT 4:00 PM AND IT, THE RECEPTION AND PERFORMANCE WILL TAKE PLACE IN THE, UH, APPLE BARN AT THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM.
TICKETS ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE@THESEDONAMUSEUM.ORG SERIES, THE DEAD QUILTER SOCIETY.
HOPE EVERYONE CAN MAKE IT OKAY.
THE, UH, NORTHERN ARIZONA COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS NACOG IS, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR PRODUCING A COMPREHENSIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.
AND IT IS, UH, BEEN A ONE AND A HALF YEAR EXERCISE THAT IS NOW OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
SO FOR THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED, YOU MAY REVIEW THE DRAFT COPY OF THE SAIDS DOCUMENT AS IT'S REFERRED TO.
I'D JUST LIKE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH.
IF YOU WANNA GO UP TO THEIR WEBSITE@VVCAREGIVERS.ORG AND SLASH ANNUAL GALA.
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THANK YOU.AND, UH, THIS MORNING WE, UH, DEDICATED RIBBON CUT OUR, UH, NEW EIGHT PICKLEBALL COURTS UP AT POSSE GROUNDS PARK.
THAT WAS REALLY QUITE EXCITING.
IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, AND I REALLY HAVE TO, UH, COMMEND THE CITY STAFF THAT WORKED SO HARD AND DID A LOT OF OUTREACH WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND REALLY PICKED A GREAT LOCATION.
AND, UM, IT, I WAS QUITE PROUD TO BE PART OF THAT AND CHAMPIONING FOR THAT FOR THE PAST, UH, MANY YEARS.
VICE MAYOR, I SEE SOME, A PICKLEBALL PLAYER AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
SO LITTLE KNOWN FACT ABOUT OUR CHIEF OF POLICE.
I THINK SHE HAS A DREAM OF BEING A PROFESSIONAL.
PICKLEBALL PLAYER WHEN SHE RETIRES FOR HER NEXT CAREER.
CAN YOU COMMENT ON THAT? SURE.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT, SHE PLAYED IN UNIFORM, SO THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN AN INTIMIDATION FACTOR.
JUST SAYING, WOW, CHIEF, I CAN SEE THE RED FACE FROM ALL THE WAY OVER HERE,
I THINK IT JUST WAS A DEMONSTRATION OF MY SKILLS.
IT WAS LIKE 10 EXTRA POUNDS, VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.
IT WAS NICE TO, NICE TO SEE YOU THERE.
SO, UH, UH, MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS FOR PUBLIC FORUM? NO, WE DO NOT.
SO WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM, AND THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM AND PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS.
[8.a. AB 3134 Discussion/presentation by Coconino County Manager, Andy Bertelsen regarding Proposition #482 Coconino County Expenditure Limit. ]
BUSINESS.WE'RE MOVING RIGHT ALONG TODAY.
ITEM EIGHT, A AB 31 34 DISCUSSION PO UH, DISCUSSION.
PRESENTATION BY COCAO COUNTY MAG ANDY BOON.
AND WE HAVE OUR COUNTY SUPERVISOR HERE AS WELL, UH, ADAM HESS, UH, REGARDING PROPOSITION 4 82, DALE COUNTY EXPENDITURE LIMIT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE SEDONA, UH, SEDONA CITY COUNCIL.
WE ARE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS, AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, AS AN EMPLOYEE WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA FROM 2000 TO 2005, AND I CAN TELL YOU I'VE SPENT A, A FEW EVENINGS PAST MIDNIGHT IN THESE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
UH, I DON'T THINK TONIGHT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE EVENINGS, UH, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR TOO LONG, BUT, UH, A LOT OF LIVELY DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD HERE AT THE CITY OF SEDONA.
EVERY TIME I'M HERE IN SEDONA, IT JUST MAKES ME PROUD TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN MANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE WERE INVOLVED IN.
A BIG PROJECT AT THE TIME WAS A HEIDI, UH, HIGHWAY 89 TURNBACK FROM, FROM ADOT IN THE UPTOWN AREA FOR THE STREETSCAPE PROJECT.
AND, AND, AND NOW WE CAN SEE AND EXPERIENCE THOSE BENEFITS TODAY, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, SO MANY OTHER PROJECTS WORKING WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
AND, UM, UH, WHAT WE DID LEARN IS THERE'S SO MUCH HISTORY HERE IN SEDONA AND PRESERVING MANY OF THOSE SITES AND HOW IMPORTANT, UH, TO THE, TO, UM, WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY.
I'M THE COUNTY MANAGER, UH, ADAM HESS, UH, COCONINO COUNTY SUPERVISOR REPRESENTING THIS DISTRICT, DISTRICT THREE.
IN 2004, WHEN I WAS IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, I THINK IT WAS 2004, FOUR, IT MAY HAVE BEEN 2002, THE EXPENDITURE LIMITATION OVERRIDE WAS ON THE BALLOT.
SO I KNOW THE CITY OF SEDONA HAS BEEN THROUGH THIS AS WELL.
AND, UH, IT'S PROPOSITION 4 82, UH, ON THE BALLOT.
AND AS YOU KNOW, AND I WISH I WOULD'VE BROUGHT A SAMPLE BALLOT WITH IT IS A HU A VERY LONG BALLOT.
I WAS GONNA SAY HUGELY LONG BALLOT.
IT IS, UH, STATE OF ARIZONA HAS, I BELIEVE, 12 OR 13 PROPOSITIONS ON THAT BALLOT.
EARLY BALLOTS HAVE GONE OUT BOTH IN YAVAPAI AND COCONINO COUNTY.
WE, IN COCONINO COUNTY, RUN THE ELECTION PROCESS FOR COCONINO COUNTY.
AND WITH THOSE, UH, 13 PROPOSITIONS WITH THE STATE OF ARIZONA, THE LOCAL ISSUES, IF YOU WILL, ARE TOWARDS THE END.
WE SAY, PLEASE BE PATIENT AND KNOW, UH, THE LOCAL ISSUES, EDUCATE YOURSELF ON THEM AND, AND LEARN THOSE WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE VOTING IN THAT BALLOT.
SO HOPEFULLY YOU GOT YOUR EARLY BALLOTS AND YOU'RE TURNING THOSE IN.
UH, SO REALLY, UH, AND, AND, UH, YOUR CLERK, JOANNE, UM, PASSED OUT, UM, TO YOU.
SUSTAINED COUNTY SERVICES PROP 4 82.
AND REALLY WHAT THIS ALLOWS US TO DO IS, IS TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT WE CURRENTLY PROVIDE.
HOW DOES THAT IMPACT SEDONA? REALLY, IN COVID, I WOULD SAY OUR HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES GROUP REALLY STEPPED UP AND PROVIDING VACCINATIONS AS WELL AS TESTING.
WE HAD THE FORT TUTHILL FAIRGROUND ACTIVITY TAKING PLACE, AND SO THAT WAS A BIG PART OF THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDED.
AND THEN OUR COURT SYSTEM AND OUR CRIM, OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, SUPERIOR COURT
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JUSTICE COURT, SUCH A HUGE PART OF OUR OVERALL COUNTY OPERATION AND A SIGNIFICANT PART OF WHAT WE DO.UH, AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES AS WELL.
UNFORTUNATELY, OUR SEARCH AND RESCUE GROUP IS EXTREMELY BUSY WITH OUR VISITORSHIP.
WE ALL KNOW THAT, UH, WHEN PEOPLE ARE VISITING, THEY DON'T ALWAYS MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS.
WE TRY TO HELP THEM THE BEST THEY CAN MAKE GOOD DECISIONS WHEN THEY'RE OUT IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITIES, AND PARTICULARLY IN THE WILD PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITIES.
BUT OUR SEARCH AND RESCUE GROUP IS, UH, ONE OF THE BUSIEST GROUPS THAT WE, THAT WE WORK WITH AT COCONINO COUNTY.
SO PLEASE LET US KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
AND ADAM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS TO THE CITY COUNCIL? THANK YOU, ANDY.
UH, AGAIN, MY NAME IS ADAM HESS.
I'M THE, UH, COCONINO COUNTY DISTRICT THREE SUPERVISOR.
UM, THANK YOU VERY ALLOWING US TO COME DOWN HERE AND TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION.
AS YOU LOOK AT THIS, I GO STRAIGHT TO THE BACK PAGE.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I GET EXACTLY WHAT THIS ALL MEANS.
THE, THE STUFF IN THE BEGINNING, IN THE MIDDLE IS, IS KIND OF THE, THE DEEP DIVE.
THE BACK WILL TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING.
UM, WHAT WE NEED, THIS IS TO ALLOW US TO SPEND THE MONEY THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
IT'S NOT A TAX, UH, IT IS JUST ALLOWING US TO MOVE OUR EXPENDITURE LIMIT UP.
AND I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW THAT, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE FOR THE RECORD, PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO THE TAXES HAVE ALREADY BEEN, UH, TAKEN IN AND WE'VE KIND OF HELD OURSELVES AT THAT LIMIT.
THAT LIMIT STARTED IN 82, 80 19 80, 19 80.
UM, THE BOARD, WE KIND OF HAD THAT SMALL, MEDIUM, LARGE DECISION OF WHAT WE WANTED TO REQUEST OF THE VOTERS TO LOOK AT.
UM, AND WE WENT WITH THE MEDIUM ONE.
UH, OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THIS EXPENDITURE LIMIT LAST ANOTHER 20 PLUS YEARS.
UH, WE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GOUGE ANYBODY.
WE JUST WANT TO GET ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE SERVICES, UH, THAT CONTINUE THAT WE PROVIDE FOR THE COUNTY.
UM, THE RESIDENTS OF COO COUNTY ON HERE.
THEY NEED TO BE INFORMED OF IT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE AND WE WANT YOUR, UM, SUPPORT AS WE MOVE FORWARD FOR THIS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR, IS FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS AND WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR.
IT'S AS, AS WE STATED, AND IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE JINGLE, IT'S NOT A TAX.
SO THAT'S WHAT OUR GOAL IS, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE MONEY, WE JUST WANNA BE ABLE TO SPEND IT AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED TO HIRE MORE SNOWPLOW DRIVERS.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR ROADS ARE TAKEN CARE OF AND ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
SO AS STATED, AND, UH, ONE OF OUR OTHER SUPERVISORS WANTED ME TO REALLY MAKE SURE ANDY, I GUESS, WILL BRING UP, UH, HHS, WHICH IS WHAT HE KIND OF HIT.
BUT IT'S ALWAYS TOUGH TO FOLLOW ANDY.
HE HAS SO MUCH KNOWLEDGE AND SO MUCH EXPERIENCE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I ALSO WANT TO TELL YOU IS THIS FAQ PAGE.
WE WANNA MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE TWO WEEKS OUT, BUT THIS IS A LIVE PAGE.
SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS AND YOU THINK, OR IF ANY CONSTITUENTS THINK THEY HAVE QUESTIONS, THEY CAN GO TO THIS WEBSITE AND ASK THE QUESTION.
ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS I SAID IS, IS OUR FAQ PAGE LIVE? SO IT IS LIVE.
SO ASK THE QUESTIONS AND WE'LL TRY TO GET YOU THE ANSWERS.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, ANDY, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING.
AND, AND BEFORE I FORGET, IT'S WORTHY OF NOTE, YAVAPAI COUNTY ALSO HAS A QUESTION ON THE BALLOT.
I CAN'T TELL YOU THE PROPOSITION NUMBER, I DON'T RECALL.
UH, BUT HAVE SPOKEN AT LENGTH WITH, UH, MAURY THOMPSON, THEIR COUNTY MANAGER, AND, AND, UH, JUST REALLY SO MANY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FACING THIS ISSUE.
I KNOW CI, CITY OF SEDONA HAS, CITY OF FLAGSTAFF HAS, UH, A COUPLE OF COMMUNITY COLLEGES IN OUR STATE OF ARIZONA ALSO HAVE THIS ITEM ON THE BALLOT.
SO IT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE, UH, MANAGING THROUGH, UM, WITH THAT BALLOT PROPOSITION.
OKAY, BEFORE YOU GO, GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM ADEAS.
SO JUST THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND, 20 SOME YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A, A LIMIT ON HOW MUCH OF THE TAX MONEY YOU ALREADY COLLECT YOU COULD SPEND.
WHERE DOES, AND NOW YOU COLLECT MORE THAN THAT LIMIT, I'M ASSUMING.
AND WHERE DOES THAT MONEY, UM, THAT YOU ACTUALLY COLLECT FROM TAXPAYERS? IF THIS DOESN'T PASS, WHERE DOES THAT MONEY THAT TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING GO? THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMSON, REALLY APPRECIATE THE QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S SO RELEVANT.
WE, AS OF RECENT, HAVE IN FACT ISSUED DEBT TO BE ABLE TO EXPEND THOSE FUNDS.
AND SO, UM, UH, DEBT, WE ALL KNOW THAT, UH, THE COST OF DEBT IS, UH, THERE'S A COST.
AND SO FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES, WE'VE HAD TO ISSUE DEBT TO BE ABLE TO EXPEND THOSE FUNDS AND THEN PAY INTEREST ON THE DEBT.
SO, UM, FORTUNATELY WITH SOME INVESTMENTS, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BALANCE THAT OUT.
BUT IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES, UH, THAT'S HOW WE'VE MANAGED THROUGH IT.
UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, WILLIAMSON AT THE, UH, RISK OF CORRECTING YOU, UH, 20
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SOME YEARS AGO.IT, IT WAS ACTUALLY 40 YEARS AGO.
EVERYTHING'S 20 YEARS AGO TO BE, AND SO
AND REALLY IT'S, I DON'T KNOW THE INTENTION OF THE STATE AT THAT TIME, BUT I THINK IT WAS TO MANAGE AN LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO ENSURE THAT, THAT OUR TAXES DIDN'T GET OUTTA HAND, SO TO SPEAK.
BUT THERE ARE SO MANY RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON US AS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN WE GENERATE FROM A REVENUE PERSPECTIVE.
OUR PROPERTY TAXES ARE, ARE, ARE LIMITED, THE SALES TAXES ARE LIMITED.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF LIMITATIONS PLACED UPON US.
UH, EVEN THE ARIZONA TAX RESEARCH ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS A PRETTY CONSERVATIVE WATCHDOG GROUP IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA, IS REALLY SAYING IF THE LOCAL VOTERS AGREE THAT, UH, ON THIS OVERRIDE, THEN THERE THEY ARE NOT TAKING A POSITION ON IT, WHICH IS A PRETTY, PRETTY BIG FOR THEM ON A, ON A TAX ISSUE, NOT TO TAKE A POSITION OF OPPOSITION.
SO I COULD BE, IF I LIVED IN COCONINO COUNTY, YEAH, I COULD BE A COCONINO COUNTY TAXPAYER AND I WOULD BE PAYING MY TAXES, BUT I WOULDN'T BE GETTING SOME SERVICES POSSIBLY BECAUSE OF AN EXPENDITURE LIMIT.
WELL, THERE ARE SOME DECISIONS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE AND CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA SAY THAT IN A THREATENING WAY, BUT IT WOULD BE, NO, I JUST LOOKING AT SERVICES AND WHAT COULDN'T WE DO OR WHAT ARE SOME TOOLS THAT WE HAVE THAT FINANCING, ET CETERA.
SO, UM, THAT, AND THAT DOESN'T MAKE FISCAL SENSE, UH, TO ISSUE DEBT, TO EXPEND THE FUNDS THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO EXPEND ON SERVICE.
UH, ADAM WANTED ME TO MENTION HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, RESTAURANT INSPECTIONS, UM, BED BUT INSPECTIONS, UH, FOR, FOR OUR VISITORS.
UM, JUST SO MANY SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE THAT ARE REALLY BASELINE, BASELINE CORE SERVICE OF GOVERNMENT.
OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION, VICE MAYOR.
SO THIS INFORMATION SAYS THAT IN 1980, YOUR LIMITATION WAS 10, JUST SLIGHTLY OVER $10 MILLION.
AND IF THIS PROPOSITION PASSES, THEN THE EXPENDITURE BASE WILL BE PERMANENTLY INCREASED BY 7.7 MILLION.
SO IS THAT A TOTAL OF, WOULD BE EIGHT $18 MILLION WOULD BE YOUR, YOUR EXPENDITURE LIMIT? THAT'S CORRECT.
VICE MAYOR, NOW THAT IS THE BASE.
AND SO, UH, THE BASE AGAIN IS BASED ON A 1980 CALCULATION OF WHICH, UH, INFLATION IS FACTORED ON TOP OF THAT.
AND SO, UH, IN 19 $80, IT WOULD BE THE, WHAT, 18 MILLION IF YOU WILL.
AND THEN THE INFLATIONARY FACTORS TO 20 24, 20 25 TO, TO CURRENT, CURRENT DAY.
WE KNOW FROM AN INFLATIONARY PERSPECTIVE, WE LOOKED UP THE GALLON, A GALLON OF GAS IN 1980 WAS AROUND A DOLLAR, MAYBE A BIT MORE.
AND IT'S WHAT FOUR NOW? SO CONSIDERABLE COST INCREASES, UM, AND A DAILY LIFE PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S 40 YEARS.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MEAS? NO, ANDY.
ADAM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR MAKING A TRIP DOWN.
I HOPE IT WAS THE SITES WERE OKAY FOR YOU TODAY ON THE WAY DOWN.
AND WE WANT TO WORK IN THE FUTURE WITH YOUR CITY MANAGER, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, ET CETERA.
UM, JUST TO CONTINUE PARTNERSHIPS, WE KNOW WE HAVE A FEW CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE AND WE'RE DEFINITELY PREPARED TO HAVE THOSE, UH, ANDY'S REACHED OUT AND, AND JUST REALLY WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A GOOD, UH, RELATIONSHIP AND WELL, WE'VE HAD THAT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS WITH THE PRIOR SUPERVISOR AND YOUR STAFF, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
[8.b. AB 3130 Discussion/possible action regarding a presentation by Sedona Sister Cities’ Board of Directors Chuck Marr on their activities and accomplishments; and use of City resources to support the Sister Cities efforts]
31 30, UH, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A PRESENTATION BY THE SEDONA CITY SISTER CITY'S BOARD OF DIRECTORS, CHUCK MA, AND THEIR ACTIVITIES AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND USE OF CITY RESOURCES TO SUPPORT THIS, THE CITY, CITY SISTER, CITY EFFORTS.WELL, MR. MAYOR, UH, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, WE'RE DELIGHTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ABOUT SEDONA SISTER CITIES.
IT'S BEEN, UH, ALMOST THREE YEARS NOW, AND IT'S BEEN A VERY EXCITING TIME.
WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT FOLKS, UH, THAT ARE, THAT, THAT, THAT ARE ALL PART OF THIS.
AND JOINING ME TOO A DAY ARE, UH, TWO, TWO OF OUR TEAM LEADERS, UH, UH, ED RIC, WHO IS OUR TEAM LEADER FOR YALO POLAND AND DON GROVES, WHO'S
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OUR TEAM LEADER FOR CANMORE CANADA.AND, UH, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE, A LITTLE SLIDESHOW THAT WE, THAT WE'D LIKE TO, TO, UH, SHARE WITH YOU.
UH, DON YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT OUR FRIENDSHIP CITY WITH CANMORE? YES.
I, I REMEMBER WALKING INTO SCOTT'S OFFICE.
SHOULD I USE THE MICROPHONE? I GUESS I SHOULD
I REMEMBER, UH, LAST, LAST, UM, I GUESS IT WAS MAY OR EARLY JUNE, I WALKED INTO SCOTT'S OFFICE AND PRESENTED HIM WITH THE FRIENDSHIP CITY CERTIFICATE, UH, FROM CANMORE SIGNED, UM, BY THE CANMORE MAYOR, SEAN KRAUSERT AND SCOTT.
AND I GUESS IT'S HANGING ON YOUR WALL, IS THAT RIGHT? IT IS.
AND THAT'S AN, UH, THAT'S A CONCRETE INDICATION THAT WE'RE REALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH, UH, WITH CANMORE.
UM, CAN YOU SHOW THE NEXT SLIDE THERE? THERE IT IS.
SO WHAT WE DID IN, IN MAY OF LAST YEAR, WE HAVE A COMMITTEE OF NINE PEOPLE HERE IN, IN SEDONA.
UM, AND WE PUT TOGETHER SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR SOME CONCRETE PROJECTS THAT WE COULD REALLY ACCOMPLISH.
UH, ABOUT FIVE DAYS LATER, WE MET WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS IN, IN, UH, CANMORE.
AND, UH, THEY CAME UP WITH A COUPLE OF IDEAS.
WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO THE FOUR THAT YOU SEE UP THERE, AND THEY'RE ALL IN MOTION.
UH, A GOOD EXAMPLE WOULD BE DEB SANDERS, A TEACHER AT WEST SEDONA SCHOOL, VISITED THE ELIZABETH RUMMEL SCHOOL, UM, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN CANMORE, UH, TO ESTABLISH THE FIRST SCHOOL TO SCHOOL PARTNERSHIP.
AND SO, UH, IF WE HAD MORE TIME, I COULD EXPLAIN TO YOU, UH, IN DETAIL WHAT THE STUDENTS ARE DOING, BUT, UH, YOU, I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT.
UH, WE HAVE AN ARTS EXCHANGE, UH, PROGRAM THAT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT WITH THE FIRST, UH, PERFORMANCE THAT WOULD BE HERE IN SEDONA IN OCTOBER OF 2025.
THE YOUTH EXCHANGE PROGRAM IS, UH, I JUST GOT AN EMAIL TODAY WITH KENMORE'S PROPOSAL FOR THAT.
WE SENT THEM OUR PROPOSAL, AND, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S GONNA TAKE OFF NEXT SUMMER FOR SURE.
AND THEN THE SISTER LIBRARIES, UH, PROJECT, UM, IS WELL IN MOTION WITH, UH, BOTH LIBRARIES IDENTIFYING SOME COMMON PROJECTS THAT THEY CAN SHARE IN, IN BOTH CITIES.
SO, I KNOW WE ONLY HAVE A FEW MINUTES.
I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE, THE ABBREVIATED, UH, VERSION, BUT, UH, I'M PROUD TO ANNOUNCE THAT, UH, THINGS ARE REALLY COMING ALONG VERY NICELY.
UH, WE HOPE TO HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES AT OUR, UM, ANNUAL ARIZONA SISTER CITIES CONFERENCE THAT YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LATER FROM CANMORE.
UH, AN EMAIL I GOT TODAY INDICATES THAT, THAT MOST LIKELY WILL HAPPEN, PLUS A MESSAGE FROM THEIR MAYOR WHO'S NOT ABLE TO, TO MAKE IT SO THAT, UH, THAT'LL HAPPEN AT THE MAYOR'S INTERNATIONAL DINNER, THE FIRST ANNUAL.
AND DON'S BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB WITH HIS, UH, TEAM.
UH, OUR NEWEST TEAM IS YALO, AND THIS KICK CAME ABOUT, UH, SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS AGO.
AND THIS WONDERFUL PER PERSON HERE SHOWED UP AND SAID, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK YASSO WOULD BE A GREAT SISTER CITY FOR SEDONA.
AND I, FIRST THING I SAID IS, WHERE'S SLO? UH, AND FROM THAT POINT, POINT ON, UH, SHE'S PUT TO TOGETHER A TEAM.
YOU CANNOT BELIEVE HOW MANY POLISH PEOPLE THERE ARE HERE IN TOWN.
AND, UM, UH, SO WE, WE GOT A, UH, A NOTE FROM THEIR, THEIR, UH, MAYOR, UH, SAYING THAT HE WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER BEING THEIR SISTER CITY.
AND, UM, SO FROM THAT POINT ON, UH, AS, AS WE HAVE TO, UH, DO, UH, IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR, UH, US TO GO AND SEE THE CITY AND MEET THE PEOPLE.
AND THE SAME THING FOR, FOR THEM TO COME AND, AND VISIT WITH, WITH US.
SO WE'RE IN THAT, THAT, THAT PROCESS NOW.
AND TO EDIT THEM, UH, THIS IS OUR, OUR TEAM THAT IN AUGUST, THERE WERE 8, 8, 8 MEMBERS OF OUR GROUP THAT WENT, WENT OVER AND TWO, WERE HERE WITH, WITH US, UH, MI MICKEY ZIN AND, UH, DONNA FOREMAN.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, THEY'D BE PLEASED TO ANSWER ABOUT ANYTHING FOR THIS, THIS FIVE DAY VISIT THAT WE HAD TO YASSO, UH,
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W WITH THEM, UH, W WITH US WAS DICK WEISBAUM, D DIA KY AND HER, UH, HUSBAND DAVID, MYSELF AND YOUR HUSBAND MET, MET MA MATTHEW, UH, EVERYBODY WENT OVER ON, ON THEIR OWN DIME.THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO FEDERAL FUNDING OR STATE FUNDING OR ANYTHING ELSE.
THIS IS ALL FUNDED BY THE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE PART OF SISTER CITIES.
AND IF YOU EVER HAD A CHANCE TO, TO VISIT, UH, OR IF YOU HAVEN'T, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO, TO VISIT THIS BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC CITY THAT, UH, WAS FOUNDED IN SIX 50, AND, UH, THANKS TO WHATEVER FATES, UH, UH, NONE OF IT WAS, UH, BLOWN UP IN WORLD WAR II, SO YOU REALLY HAVE A CHANCE TO GET, GET, GET A CHANCE TO, TO SEE THE ORIGINAL, UM, CULTURE AND BUILDINGS.
BUT, UH, THE NEXT DAY WE GOT IN OUR CARS, AND, UH, THANKS TO YOUR HUSBAND DRIVING, WE HEADED TO SLO.
DO YOU WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? YES.
UM, SO ON THIS PICTURE SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE MAYOR DOING, UH, WITH ALL THE KIDS.
AND I WAS INVITED TO JOIN FOR THE, UH, UH, AWARD, UM, CEREMONY.
SO THEY AWARDED THE BA, UH, THE, THE HIGHEST GPA AND THE EDUCATION FOR KIDS IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
UM, AND ON THE BOTTOM, YOU CAN SEE THE MAIN SQUARE, UH, WHICH IS THE HEART OF THE CITY OF YASUA.
OKAY? AND DURING OUR FIRST DAY IN YASUA, UH, WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE MAYOR.
AND, UM, HE INVITED THE, UM, THE, UH, HE ASKED TO, UH, FOR THE, ALL THE HEADS OF THE CITY DEPARTMENTS TO COME IN AND, UM, WELCOME THE DELEGATION FROM SEDONA.
AND IT WAS VERY INTERESTING MEETING BECAUSE IT WAS HELD IN THE SCIENCE CENTER, WHICH IS THE MOST, UM, UM, AMAZING PLACE.
WHEN YOU ARE A YOUNG CHILD, YOU WANNA LEARN ABOUT SCIENCE BECAUSE IT'S ALL HANDS ON.
AND, UM, UH, HERE IT TOOK PLACE, UH, WE, WE HAD THE NICE PRESENTATION OF SEDONA, AND WE EXCHANGED GIFTS, PART OF THE REAL HISTORY OF THIS AREA, AND WE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS WHEN WE FIRST WENT OVER, BUT, UH, ONE OF EUROPE'S BIGGEST OIL FIELDS IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT.
AND, UH, THEY HAD A WONDERFUL, UH, A WHOLE AREA OF ALL THE HISTORIC TYPES OF DERRICKS THAT WERE USED TO, UH, UH, PUMP OIL THROUGHOUT THE, UH, YEARS.
IT'S STILL AN ACTIVE OIL FIELD.
UH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY, UH, STARTED, UH, BY ROCKEFELLER, AND HE WENT OVER THERE AND, AND, AND, AND FOUND THE, UH, INITIAL WAYS TO, UH, DRILL, UH, THREE YEARS BEFORE HE STARTED HIS FIRST WELLS IN THE US.
WE WERE AMAZED BECAUSE WE WERE, WE WENT TO ONE WELL, AND, AND YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE THE OIL COMING UP FROM THE GROUND.
SO THERE'S THAT MUCH OF IT THERE.
UM, BUT THE FUTURE OF THE CITY, AND AGAIN, IT'S SURROUNDED BY, BY A LOW, LOW HILLS IS WINE.
AND THERE ARE 28 LOCAL WINERIES, INCLUDING ONE THAT IS OWNED AND RUN BY THE CITY.
SO THAT, SO, SO THEY COULD E EDUCATE, UH, THE, UH, FOLKS IN, IN, IN, UH, WINE MAKING.
UM, AND OF COURSE, UM, WE WERE ASKED TO, TO BE BE THERE DURING THEIR 17TH ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL DAYS OF WINE.
AND THEY HAVE, UH, FOLKS FROM ALL OVER CENTRAL EUROPE COME AND SHARE THEIR WINES AND HAVE A GOOD TIME.
AND, UH, IT'S KICKED OFF BY A PARADE.
AND WE HAD NO IDEA THAT WE WOULD BE ASKED TO BE PART OF A PARADE.
AND, UH, WE FOUND OURSELVES BEHIND THE MAYOR.
AND, UH, SO WE WERE PART OF A PARADE.
SO NOW, THINK, THINK, THINK ABOUT THIS.
WHEN WE HAVE GUESTS COME OVER HERE, YOU GOTTA GET A PARADE SET UP.
AND, AND YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS BEAUTIFUL CULTURAL CENTER.
SO, UH, THIS CULTURAL CENTER IS ALSO, UM, THE HOME FOR THE LOCAL, UH, THE MAIN LIBRARY.
AND, UH, WE, UH, ONE OF THE LOCAL ARTIST GROUP, UM, UH, THE HEAD OF THE ARTIST GROUP ORGANIZED THIS, UM, BEAUTIFUL, UH, SHOWCASE OF THE LOCAL ARTISTS.
SO WE HAD, UH, A PLEASURE TO MEET ACTUALLY THE ARTISTS, UH, PURCHASE, PURCHASE THE ART, AND TALK TO THEM.
AND, UH, THEY EVEN HAD THE LIVE
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BOUTIQUE CLASS, WHICH WE COULD, WE, WE WERE WATCHING, UH, IN PROCESS OF MAKING IT.UM, THEY HAVE BALLET CLASSES, DANCE CLASSES FOR YOUTH AND FOR SENIORS.
MM-HMM,
UM, WHILE, WHILE WE WERE THERE, WE MET A, UH, A, UH, FILM DIRECTOR WHO'S WHO, WHO'S WELL KNOWN IN POLAND.
AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PREMIER OF OUR NEW FILM IN Y SLO ON SEPTEMBER 13TH.
NOW THIS IS LIKE, WE WERE THERE THE END OF AUGUST, AND HE SAID, IT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD HAVE A SHARED SHOWING OF THIS FILM IN YOUR TOWN.
SO, UH, IN, IN A SHORT, UH, A TIMEFRAME, UH, WE WERE A, A ABLE TO, UH, LINK, LINK UP WITH, WITH, UH, THEIR BEAUTIFUL, UH, THEATER, WHICH HOLDS FOUR, 400 PEOPLE.
AND THEY'RE ALL THE LEADERS OF THEIR TOWN.
AND OUR MARY FISHER, WHICH WE FILLED WITH 100 FOLKS.
AND, UH, SAW THIS FILM CALLED RAISED TO THE GROUND, WHICH IS THE STORY, UH, OF OSLO'S TRAGIC DESTRUCTION.
UH, IT WAS NOT DESTROYED AS PART OF THE WAR.
IT WAS DESTROYED BY THEIR, THEIR, UH, A GERMAN, UM, UH, MAYOR THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE THERE AT THE START OF THE WAR.
UM, UH, WHEN HE F FOUND OUT THAT THE RUSSIANS WERE COMING AT THE END OF THE WAR, HE SAID, THEY'RE NEVER GONNA TAKE THIS OVER.
AND, UH, SO THE FIRST THING THEY DID WAS TO GIVE THE PEOPLE TWO DAYS NOTICE, TO TAKE ALL THEIR THINGS AND LEAVE TOWN 10,000.
AND THEN THEY BURNED IT AND THEY BOMBED WHAT WAS LEFT.
SO THAT TOWN WAS 97 PER, PER, PER CENT DESTROYED.
UH, AND SO WHEN WE TALKED TO THIS LL LOVELY GAL ON THE RIGHT WHO'S HEAD OF THE, UM, UH, CULTURAL CENTER, UH, HER QUOTE WAS, YA YASO WAS DESTROYED BY HATE.
IT, IT REBUILDS WITH, WITH LOVE.
AND THERE'S REALLY A PASSION FOR THE CITY THERE AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO, UH, BUILD REALLY A, A, UH, NEW CITY.
ALSO, YASU HAS, UH, TWO MUSEUMS. UH, ONE IS ACTUALLY A HOUSE OF THE LOCAL DOCTOR WHO PASSED AWAY AND DONATED THE HOUSE.
AND MOST OF THE ARTIFACT, UH, IS FROM HIS PRIVATE COLLECTION.
UM, UH, THE MUSEUM IS NOT VERY BIG.
IT HOLDS ONLY LIKE 10% OF THE ART.
SO THEY'RE STILL IN STORAGE, AND, UH, THEY WOULD LOVE TO SHOW THEM EVEN MORE.
UM, THERE'S ANOTHER, UM, IT'S CALLED CARPA CARPA CHOI.
AND IT'S A PER HISTORICAL SEGMENT.
AND, UM, WITH THE OBSERVATION TOWER, IT GOES BACK TO BRONZE AGE AND ALSO THE EARLY MEDIEVAL, UH, SLAVIC PEOPLE.
AND, UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE LOCAL, UM, OUTFITS, I WOULD SAY.
AND, UH, UH, THIS AREA GOES BACK TO THE 13 HUNDREDS YES.
UH, AND THEN PART OF A TRIP IS ALWAYS, UH, UH, TO, TO SORT OF BE SURPRISED IN ADDITION TO BEING ASKED TO BE IN A PARADE.
UM, UH, UH, YOU HAD MET A COUPLE, UH, FROM MESA, I THINK IT IS SANTA VALLEY.
AND, UM, THEY HAVE A HOME IN SLO.
AND SO WE MET THEM AT THE, UH, UH, UH, WINE DEAL, AND THEY SAID, COME OUT OVER TO THE HOUSE.
WE, WE WERE PLANNING THAT A AFTERNOON AND WENT TO THEIR BEAUTIFUL HOME, WHICH IS ON A HILLSIDE.
THEY GROW THEIR OWN GRAPES, THEY DO DO THEIR OWN WINE.
AND, UH, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY TOLD US A LOT ABOUT LIVING THERE, UH, UH, IN, IN, UH, THAT BEAUTIFUL RE REGION, UH, BUT ALSO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF BEING FOLKS THAT COME FROM ARIZONA.
THE SMALL, UH, PHOTO DOWN HERE IS ANOTHER PART.
WE, WE'VE GOT A, THE, THE, UH, THE FOOD THERE WAS PHENOMENAL.
I THINK WE ALL GAINED ABOUT 20, 20 POUNDS.
THE, THIS PI PP PICTURE IN THE FRONT, THERE'S ALMOST AN EMPTY PLATE OF PIEROGIS, WHICH WE HAD FIVE PLATES OF THEM THAT NIGHT.
UH, THE PLATE BEHIND IT, IT'S PLUM PIEROGI, THAT WAS DESSERT.
SO, UH, WE WERE WELL FILLED BY THE GREAT, GREAT, GREAT GREAT FOOD, UH, IN, IN, UH, IN THAT NATION.
AND, AND THEY WERE VERY, VERY OPEN TO US.
AND ONE, ONE OF THE QUICK THING, WHICH WE MIGHT WANNA THINK, THINK ABOUT, IF EVER WE REALLY GOT OUR OWN INDOOR BIG POOL, PUT A LIBRARY NEXT TO IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PPP PICTURE IS ON THE LEFT.
UH, THEY FOUND THAT THERE, THE, UH, THE, THE, THE FAMILIES THAT GO, GO THERE AND, AND THE, UH, KIDS TO, TO, TO A SWIM AND TAKE LESSONS, ALSO
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LIKE TO GO TO THE LI LIBRARY.SO THAT WAS SORT OF AN EXTRA AMOUNT.
UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE, UH, UH, A POINT OF JUST STARTING TO TALK ABOUT POSSIBLE EXCHANGES, AND YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE TO TALK ABOUT YEAH.
EXCHANGES AND REALLY, UH, LEARNING ABOUT, UH, EACH TOWN AND PEOPLE.
SO, UM, BUT DURING THIS PROCESS OF LEARNING, WE ALREADY START, UH, EXCHANGING AND DOING, UH, DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
SO ONE, WE HAD THE, THE, UH, THE MOVIE PREMIERE.
AND RIGHT NOW IN, THERE'S A, UM, UH, THE PHOTOGRAPHIC EXHIBIT PLANNED FOR NOVEMBER IN YASUA, WHICH IS, UH, IS GONNA BE CALLED BEAUTY AND HISTORY OF SEDONA THROUGHOUT THE PHOTOGRAPHY.
SO WE WANNA SHOW, UH, BRING THE SEDONA, UH, TO YASUA AND SHOW THE BEAUTIFUL PICTURES OF SEDONA IN, UH, THE MAIN SQUARE IN THE AS WELL.
UM, ALSO, UH, DURING THE, UM, DELEGATION WHEN WE WERE VISITING THE SPORT COMPLEX, WE WERE INVITED, ACTUALLY, THE
SO THE SCHOOL'S LOOKING AT AT, AT THAT NOW, WHICH WOULD BE QUITE, QUITE EXCITING IF THAT HAPPENED.
UH, SO AGAIN, WE'RE, THIS IS WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IN SI SISTER CITIES.
UH, YOU, YOU, YOU LEARN ABOUT OTHERS, YOU TAKE YOUR TIME.
UH, AND, UH, I, I THINK OUR, OUR, OUR NEXT BIG STEP IS THAT WE'VE ASKED THEM IF THEY WOULD COME, OR AT LEAST HAVE ONE OR TWO COME AND JOIN US AT THE FILM FESTIVAL THIS, UH, UH, NEXT, UH, MARCH.
AND, UH, SO THEN WE'LL SEE WHERE, WHERE, WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE AS WE BUILD, UH, BETTER RELATIONSHIPS THROUGHOUT THE, UH, UM, NEXT FEW MONTHS.
UM, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE, WE'RE A NEW SISTER CITY GROUP, THE STATE OR ORGANIZATION WHERE THERE'S 14 CITIES IN OUR STATE THAT HAVE SISTER CITIES, UH, THEY ASK US TO HOST, UH, THE ANNUAL CONFERENCE.
SO WITH FOUR MONTHS NOTE NOTICE, UH, CAROL MYERS, WHO IS OUR, UH, VICE P PRESIDENT AND CAROL, YOU COME UP AND, AND, AND TAKE DON'S PLACE, WOULD YOU, OKAY.
AND, UH, SHE CAN G GIVE YOU A QUICK RUN THROUGH ABOUT WHAT'S PLANNED.
AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY AMAZING RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU GUYS CAN IMAGINE AS A NEW KID ON THE BLOCK, YOU GET TO A, LIKE, WE'LL, WE'LL GET JOHNNY TO DO IT.
WELL, WE WERE JOHNNY, UH, A AS A NEW, UH, SIT, NEW CITY ON THE BLOCK.
BUT WE'RE REAL EXCITED TO BE HOSTING THE CONFERENCE.
AND, UH, IT'S THE LARGEST ONE THAT HAS BEEN HELD IN THE STATE IN TERMS OF PEOPLE PARTICIPATING.
THE WHOLE POINT OF IT IS TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER TO REALLY, UH, SHARE BEST PRACTICES, LEARN ABOUT CHALLENGES.
AND SO WITH THE, WITH THE CONFERENCE, WE'RE GOING TO BE STARTING ON FRIDAY, AND IT'S ALL BASED ON CITIZEN DIPLOMACY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A KEY FOR WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE LOCALLY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, IS THAT WE HAVE THESE, THESE CONVERSATIONS AND DO PROBLEM SOLVING TOGETHER AND REALLY GROW IN UNDERSTANDING EACH OTHER.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA START, UM, WITH THE CONFERENCE ON FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 15TH.
AND SO WE'VE GOT A SERIES OF FREE EXPERIENCES.
SO WE'VE GOT A GREAT SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO WE'LL HAVE GUESTS THAT'LL BE COMING TO, UH, TO EXPLORE SEDONA.
AND THEN WE'RE HAVING A KICKOFF INTERNATIONAL DINNER.
IT'S GONNA BE THE MAYOR'S INAUGURAL INTERNATIONAL DINNER THAT WILL CONTINUE ANNUALLY.
SO THAT, AND, AND AFTER THIS YEAR WILL BE FOR, FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO LEARN ABOUT CULTURES FROM AROUND THE WORLD.
AND THIS YEAR IS FOCUSING, UH, AS A PART OF OUR CONFERENCE.
SO WE HAVE SPEAKERS, THE INTERNATIONAL DIRECTOR OF SISTER CITIES IS COMING.
WE HAVE A PERSON COMING FROM KENYA WHO, UH, WHO IS GONNA BE SPEAKING ABOUT THAT KIND OF, UH, THE, THE COLLABORATIONS THAT CAN HAPPEN.
SO WE HAVE, AND WE'RE ALMOST MAXED OUT.
SO WE HAVE PROBABLY 70 PARTI PARTICIPANTS WORK ARE COMING.
AND THEN WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL, WE'VE GOT 140, 150 PEOPLE COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE'RE REAL EXCITED TO HAVE THAT INTEGRATION OF AN EXPERIENCE TO SHARE SISTER CITIES AND TO HAVE PEOPLE, UH, LEARN FROM EACH OTHER ACROSS THE STATE.
THERE ARE, SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, UH, CONFERENCE, UH, PRIORITIES THAT ARE GONNA BE TAKING PLACE.
UH, A BIG, UH, QUESTION IS ABOUT BOARD LEADERSHIP.
AND EACH OF OUR, OUR SISTER CITIES ARE ORGANIZED DIFFERENTLY.
SOME OF THEM ARE RUN OUTTA OUT OF CITIES.
SOME OF THEM ARE RUN COMPLETELY INDEPENDENTLY.
AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF LEARNING THAT HAPPENS THERE, WHETHER IT'S FOR FUNDRAISING OR, UM, UH, LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT AND DECISION MAKING.
UH, PART OF IT IS ALWAYS EXPANDING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
SO PEOPLE WILL BE LEARNING FROM EACH OTHER ABOUT THAT.
WE HAVE A STATE MARKETPLACE WHERE, UH, OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS WHO WANNA, WHO WANNA WORK WITH SISTER
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CITIES CAN, UH, CAN SHARE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING.UH, WE HAVE, UH, NEW CITIES FROM, UH, MEXICO THAT ARE INVOLVED.
AND SO SOME OF THE PEOPLE FROM MEXICO ARE GONNA BE COMING.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A TIME FOR CITY, FOR TEAM HUDDLES THAT WILL HAPPEN, UH, FOR LOCAL COMMUNITIES TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS THAT, THAT THEY HAVE LEARNED FROM THAT EXPERIENCE.
UH, BUT WE'RE, UH, EXCITED TO BE SUPPORT, TO BE HOSTING IT.
AND WE'VE HAD GREAT SUPPORT FROM THE BUSINESSES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CELEBRATE THAT PUBLICLY THAT WE'RE GETTING GREAT SUPPORT.
UH, THE CONFERENCES, THE DINNERS AT THE HILTON.
AND SO WE'VE GOTTEN SUPPORT FROM THEM.
WE AT YAVAPI COLLEGE, AND THEN WE'VE GOT LOCAL BUSINESSES WHO ARE CONTRIBUTING, UH, DIFFERENT PARTS TO THE CONFERENCE.
SO WE'RE, UH, REALLY PLEASED TO HAVE IT HERE.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU JOIN US IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, LET HOLLY OR ME KNOW, AND, AND WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE YOU, UH, JOIN US FOR THAT, THAT EVENT.
AND, UH, CAROL HAS BEEN A DYNAMO IN TERMS OF MA MA MAKING THIS HAPPEN IN A VERY, VERY SHORT TIME.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SORRY IF WE TOOK TOO, TOO MUCH TIME.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT YALOW.
'CAUSE THIS IS NEW TO, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT CANMORE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT, SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THEM A LITTLE BIT.
UM, DO THEY HAVE A FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT'S SIMILAR TO SEDONAS? SUCH AS, BUT WHAT I MEAN IS, UM, LIKE A CITY MANAGER AND THEN A COUNCIL, OR ARE THEY MORE OF A MAYORAL DRIVEN CITY? THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE.
UH, WITH THE CITY MANAGER THOUGH, AS DESTROY AS THE DAY-TO-DAY.
AND WHAT'S THE POPULATION? 36,000.
AND WHAT'S THEIR MAIN INDUSTRY? UH, RIGHT NOW? IT PROBABLY IS, THEY HAVE A MANUFACTURING PLANT THAT MA MANUFACTURES ALL THE SEATS FOR STADIUMS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
AND IT'S A HUGE EMPLOYER THERE.
UH, THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH, MUCH TO, TO, TO, TO TOURISM.
THEY WANNA KNOW MORE ABOUT IT BECAUSE OUR ROADS ARE GONNA BE BUILT FROM KRAKOW DIRECTLY TO THEM.
UH, SO THEY ASK US ABOUT TOURISM, WE SAID, WELL, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE HINT
UM, ORIGINALLY WHEN YOU FIRST CAME TO US, YOU WERE RATHER EXTENSIVE ABOUT THE KINDS OF CITIES YOU WERE LOOKING FOR.
AND THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO MATCH ANY OF YOUR CRITERIA.
SO IS IT THAT THEY JUST, SOMEONE CAME IN AND YOU SAID, OKAY, UH, DOES THAT MEAN THAT ANY, ANY ETHNIC GROUP IN SEDONA REPRESENTATIVE CAN COME IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WELL I GREW UP HERE IN, IN IRELAND, AND, YOU KNOW, SO IS THAT, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO MATCH YOUR, YOU, THE, THE, THE PROCESS THAT I SAW.
YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD QUE QUE QUESTION BECAUSE REALLY WHEN WE STARTED, UH, AGAIN, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, ANY LOCAL GROUPS THAT WERE SAYING, WELL, LET'S, LET'S HAVE OUR SI OUR, OUR, OUR CITY AS, AS A, AS A SISTER CITY.
SO WE WENT OUT AND WE REALLY SPENT TIME AND REALLY, VERY, VERY CAREFULLY PICKED C CAN CAN CANMORE.
AND AGAIN, IT IS ALMOST A MIRROR.
BUT THE USUAL WAY THAT SISTER CITIES OCCUR IS JUST AS YOU SAID, A LOCAL GROUP MIGHT SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IRELAND? OR HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THIS OR THAT? AND QUITE OFTEN IT'S A CONVERSATION AND NONE, NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS.
BUT LIKE, WHAT HAPPENED WITH YA, YA YALO, WE, UH, WENT THROUGH THE ENTIRE OUTLINE OF WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UH, DO IN TERMS OF, UH, REALLY FINDING OUT MORE ABOUT THE, THE, UH, CITY AND, UH, SHARING INFORMATION ABOUT US WITH THEM.
DO THEY HAVE A CORE GROUP OF PEOPLE THERE THAT WOULD MAKE SURE IT, IT LASTS IF YOU DO GET, GET THIS, UH, UH, UH, STARTED.
AND, UM, WHILE WE DON'T MATCH WITH, WITH TOURISM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WINE PIECE OF THIS THING, THAT COULD BE A VERY NEAT EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION AND OF P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P PEOPLE.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE FOUND WITH THIS, UH, SCIENCE CENTER, THAT WE HAVE NOTHING LIKE IT IN THEIR, THE ENTIRE STATE.
THIS WAS, UH, UH, BUILT WITH, UM, EUROPEAN UNION FUNDS.
UH, BUT IT, IT, IT A FANTASTIC THREE STORY STRUCTURE FULL OF HANDS-ON EVERYTHING DEALING WITH, WITH SCIENCE FOR KIDS.
AND, UH, WE COULD LEARN A LOT FROM, FROM, FROM, UH, THAT SHARING.
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IT ISN'T A, A MATCH AS AS WE STARTED BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THAT NOW.UH, BUT WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS WHAT IS MORE TYPICAL IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH, WITH, WITH SISTER CITY GROUPS.
I JUST HAVE, YOU'VE ALWAYS GOTTA HAVE A A, A, A GROUP ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, AND SO THIS IS YOUR SECOND CITY.
DO YOU HAVE PLANS FOR A THIRD, A FOURTH, A FIFTH? WHAT'S DO YOU HAVE, ARE YOU, I GUESS MY QUESTION MORE IS ARE YOU LOOKING TO SORT OF LIMIT THE NUMBER OR ARE YOU OPEN TO SORT OF ANY NUMBER? WELL, UM, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
UH, WE, WE REALLY HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT ANY LI LIMIT.
UH, WHAT WE SEE IS THE LIMIT IS IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH GROUP, A CORE GROUP THAT WILL BE HERE AND COMMIT TO IT AND COMMIT TIME AND MONEY TO CCING IT THROUGH.
AND THEN JUST LIKE, WE'LL, WE WILL DO WITH, UH, YOU, WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT WITH, WITH YALO, WE'LL SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.
HERE'S THE SUPPORT AND HERE'S WHY WE THINK THAT THIS IS A, A, A GOOD THOUGHT.
UH, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO A CITY IN IRELAND.
AND AGAIN, WE HAD ONE THAT WE STARTED WITH, BUT THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT.
AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER ONE WE TALKED TO AND THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT.
SO, UH, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, IF YOU HAVE THAT CORE GROUP, THANK YOU.
AND ONE OF THE SURPRISING THINGS WHEN WE DID THE FILM ABOUT POLAND IS THAT A THIRD OF THE AUDIENCE WE HAD NEVER SEEN BEFORE, AND THEY WERE ALL PEOPLE FROM SEDONA WHO HAVE POLISH ROOTS.
AND SO THERE WAS A, A TO ME, A NEW LEVEL OF PRIDE AND CONNECTION AND PEOPLE CONNECTING WITH EACH OTHER IN SEDONA IN WAYS THAT THEY HADN'T BEFORE, BECAUSE THAT HASN'T BEEN A FOCUS OF, OF THEIR, UH, RELATIONSHIPS.
AND SO IT WAS A, IT WAS, IT, IT REALLY BROUGHT A NEW SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND CONNECTION THAT THAT WAS A REALLY SPECIAL AND ACROSS AGES TOO.
'CAUSE WE HAD YOUNG PEOPLE THERE AND THEN PEOPLE FROM ALL, ALL DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND AGES.
BEFORE WE GO TO COMMENTS, WE HAVE ANY CARDS, MADAM CLERK? OH, OKAY.
SO WE WILL OPEN AND CLOSE THE COMMENT PERIOD.
AND, UH, WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE DAYS, WELL, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE CITY, CITY PARTICIPATION.
THIS WHOLE THING STARTED WITH ABSOLUTE, IT WAS THE ONE THING THE COUNCIL SAID THE CITY WAS NOT GOING TO USE RESOURCES IT WASN'T GONNA TAKE AWAY.
AND SO, UM, THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN A MENTION OF THAT.
WELL, WELL, WHAT, WHAT MORE WOULD THERE BE? I'M SORRY, MAYOR.
SO, UH, HOLLY AND I WERE DISCUSSING THIS, AND IT, IT CAME TO BE A TIME WHEN I NEEDED TO SEND AN EMAIL.
I CAN'T USE MY CITY EMAIL, MY LAPTOP TO DO THAT MINIMUM, UH, USAGE FOR MYSELF TO USE A COMPUTER TO, OKAY, THIS IS, HOLD ON.
I, OKAY, WELL THEN BEFORE YOU HIT THE MIC, YEAH.
SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO UTILIZE STAFF UNLESS THE CITY MANAGER WOULD, WERE TO AGREE BEFOREHAND, BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO USE STAFF AT ALL.
UH, THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS SAYS.
IT SAYS ALLOW CITY USE, UH, USE OF CITY RESOURCES FOR ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THE SISTER CITY'S EFFORTS.
IT'S VERY OPEN REVIEW OF DOCUMENTS BY CITY STAFF.
WELL, IF WE WERE TO HAVE A, ANY KIND OF AN AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY MIGHT NEED TO REVIEW THAT, BUT NOT TO GO INTO BEYOND THAT.
WELL, THAT, WELL, THAT, WELL THAT WAS A, YOU SAY WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET, BUT YOU'RE OPENING IT FOR COMMENTS.
SO I GUESS I WAS KIND OF INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT, WHAT YOU WERE GONNA DO BEFORE I HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT, ABOUT IT.
BUT ABOUT THIS, UH, AND WE CAN, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS.
HOLLY, DID YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT? YEAH, UH, UH, SO BEFORE THE DELEGATION WENT TO YALA YAS, UH, THEY WANTED TO BRING A, UH, THEY WANTED TO PRODUCE A FILM, YOU KNOW, A VERY SHORT LITTLE VIDEO.
AND LAUREN WANTED TO PROVIDE INFORMATION AND SHE COULDN'T, SHE WASN'T ALLOWED TO BECAUSE OF THE LIMITATIONS THAT WE SET.
SO THAT WAS ONE EXAMPLE WHERE, UH, THE CITY STAFF WANTED TO REVIEW FROM A BRANDING PERSPECTIVE WHAT WE WERE SENDING OVERSEAS TO REPRESENT US AS A COMMUNITY.
AND ACCORDING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, SHE COULDN'T DO IT.
WHICH IS, AS I RECALL EXACTLY WHAT THE FORMER COUNCIL
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WANTED NOT TO HAPPEN.SO I'M JUST, I I WAS ON THE FORMER COUNCIL.
BUT I THINK IT'S FOR, AS THE VICE MAYOR MENTIONED, FOR USE OF TOURISM, TO BE SURE THE MESSAGING GOES OVER, THAT WAS A PROBLEM.
SO IT CAME, IT'S, IT'S SOMETIME, IT'S THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF DOING, OF NOTHING.
SO, UH, WELL, YOU SAY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, MY RECOLLECTION, IT WAS AN ABSOLUTE I UNDERSTAND.
NO, IT THAT I THINK THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, MAYBE NOT.
YOU SORT OF SAW THIS AS A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE WOULD BE THIS DEMAND ON CITY RESOURCES AT SOME POINT AND, AND WANTED VERY MUCH TO PREVENT THAT.
UM, KATHY, IF YOU HAVE A RECOLLECTION, I DO REMEMBER IT THE WAY THAT COUNCIL WILLIAMSON REMEMBERED IT, AND THIS WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT WAS TRYING TO BE AVOIDED.
HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T CHANGE.
NOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT.
SO, AND I THINK THAT IN WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO SEE AND WHAT LIMITATIONS WOULD MAKE SENSE.
BUT I DO REMEMBER IT VERY SIMILARLY TO THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED.
AM I RIGHT? UH, AND UH, HOLLY, YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? I, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT IN THE THREE YEARS, THERE HAS BEEN A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF RESOURCES THAT WERE, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN USED, BUT THEY WEREN'T USED, INCLUDING USING A COMPUTER TO SEND OUT A LETTER BECAUSE IT'S A CITY, EVEN THOUGH THE MAYOR HAS TO HAVE HIS LOGO AND HE CAN'T USE THE CITY COMPUTER TO DO IT BECAUSE OF THIS PROHIBITION.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S PRETTY HARSH.
SO IT'S, AND WE'VE SPOKEN TO ANNETTE AND I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE IN TERMS OF MINIMAL FUNCTIONS.
MINIMAL, BUT AT LEAST SOME, AND I THINK IT, TO BE FAIR, THAT MINIMAL WOULD BE SET BY THE CITY MANAGER.
SO BECAUSE IT'S HER STAFF AND WE DON'T EVEN WANT TO USE HER SERVICES UNLESS WE URGENTLY HAD TO JUST TO EVEN TALK ABOUT IT IN THE OFFICE, IT'S STILL USING CITY RESOURCES.
SO I ALWAYS GET A LITTLE NERVOUS WHEN I HEAR SQUISHY WORDS, LIKE MINIMAL
UH, AND THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT'S SPELLED OUT.
THERE'S NO DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE SAY THERE'S A LIMIT OF THIS IS THE MOST YOU CAN SPEND.
UM, OUR STAFF, OUR STAFF'S TIME IS VALUABLE.
AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF OTHER PROJECTS THEY'RE WORKING ON.
SO FOR ME, I, I WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, THE MOTION IS TO ALLOW THIS, UH, AND WHAT I WOULD RATHER HAVE IS HAVE SOMEONE COME BACK TO ME WITH MORE DETAIL AND SAY, WHAT EXACTLY WILL WE ALLOW, WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO ALLOW EITHER LEGALLY OR THROUGH THROUGH STAFF ALLOCATION, HOW MUCH ARE WE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE AS FAR AS FUNDS? THIS ISN'T A BUDGET ITEM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A PRIORITY ITEM.
SO THIS JUST FEELS LIKE THERE'S INFORMATION THAT'S MISSING BEFORE I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE JUST SORT OF SAYING, YEAH, SURE.
GO AHEAD AND DO WHATEVER QUESTION COUNCILOR DONE.
WITHOUT US AUTHORIZING STAFF TO DO THAT WORK, HOW DOES STAFF DO THAT AND PRESENT THAT TO US? WE'RE SO, SO HANG ON TO HERE.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'M OKAY WITH US ASKING STAFF TO COME BACK TO US WITH SPECIFICS AND LIMITING AT THE MOMENT JUST TO THAT TAB, JUST TO THAT.
BECAUSE IF I JUST SAY ALLOW USE, I, THERE'S NO LIMIT NECESSARILY PLACED ON THAT.
AND WE HAVE, THIS HAS NEVER BEEN A PRIORITY IN A PRIORITY SESSION, NOR HAS THIS COME UP IN BUDGET CONVERSATIONS BEFORE NOR LEGAL CONVERSATION.
SO I'D REALLY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF I UNDERSTOOD FROM STAFF AND LEGAL POSITION.
KURT, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I'LL LET YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW THAT FROM THE LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH THIS.
THIS WAS A CITY COUNCIL IMPOSED RESTRICTION ON NOT EXPENDING ANY CITY RESOURCES.
SO IF COUNCIL WANTS TO REDUCE IT IN ANY WAY, IN WHATEVER WAY THEY WANT TO, THAT'S FINE.
CAN BRIAN GO? YOU CAN DO ANY, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE ME OR JUST HAVE MY HAND FOR THE FUTURE.
WELL, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT, THAT I THINK COUNCIL WAS REALLY WORRIED ABOUT WAS BEGINNING TO SPEND CITY MONEY TO SEND CITY STAFF OR ELECTED OFFICIALS ON JAUNTS AROUND THE PLACE THAT WAS.
AND SO I SEE THIS MAYOR'S DINNER THIS
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YEAR.I WOULD, I'M VERY INTERESTED IN NOT HAVING THE CITY PAY FOR STAFF OR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO DO THAT.
THAT WAS PART OF THE MAIN, WHEN I REMEMBER THIS DISCUSSION, THE MAIN THING WAS SEEING THIS AS A CHANCE FOR, FOR US TO TRAVEL
AND SO I WOULD, I DON'T THINK, AND SO THAT WHEN STAFF BRINGS THINGS BACK, I WOULD LIKE NO TRAVEL OR THAT KIND OF THING.
A SORT OF ALLOWED, THAT'S I THINK REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME ANYWAY.
EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE, I, I CAN CATEGORICALLY ASSURE YOU FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT EVEN A QUESTION FOR ME.
THERE'S NO QUESTION I'M NOT GONNA TRAVEL ON THE CITY.
I NEVER, EXCEPT FOR CITY SANCTIONED EVENTS TO THE, TO THE LEAGUE, BUT TO GO OVER ON ANY OF THESE SISTER CITIES, I HAVE NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER.
AND I BELIEVE THE VICE MAYOR FEELS THE SAME WAY, AND THAT IS NOT AT ALL WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF MINIMAL.
AND YES, TAKING YOUR POINT, I, I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT OF MINIMAL, BUT I'M REALLY MEAN, YOU KNOW, COMPUTER, UH, USAGE INSTEAD OF YOU HAVING TO USE MY, MY PERSONAL COMPUTER, UM, THAT'S IN MY MIND IS MINIMAL.
WE COULD CATEGORICALLY PUT IN THERE.
AND THAT'S THAT I DO REMEMBER FROM THE LAST TIME, I, THERE'S NO QUESTION EVEN, UH, THE COMMITTEE IS NOT LOOKING FOR US TO TRAVEL UNLESS WE DO IT ON OUR OWN DIME.
I'M TALKING MORE ABOUT THE SISTER CITIES IN ARIZONA SAY IT'S IN IT'S, UM, IN PINETOP OR SAY IT'S THAT'S FINE DOWN THERE.
IT'S, UM, THERE SHOULD BE, I WOULD DRIVE MYSELF.
I MEAN, I DRIVE MYSELF ANYWHERE.
I THINK WHAT COUNCILOR WILLIAMSON IS TRYING TO GET AT IS NO DISRESPECT INTENDED TO ANYONE WHO'S CURRENTLY SITTING HERE ON COUNCIL, BUT YOU MAY NOT BE HERE FOREVER.
AND SO WHAT YOU HAVE INTENDED AND NOT INTENDED TO DO, MAY NOT BE HOW SOMEONE ELSE FEELS IF THEY'RE SITTING IN ANY ONE OF THESE SEATS.
AND SO WE WANT IT CODIFIED IN SOME WAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THAT KIND OF CODIFICATION.
AND I JUST, I JUST HEARD TWO INSTANCES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE, THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE SEEN IN THAT WHEN STAFF COMES BACK.
AND, AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT, BUT THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT TO JUST GIVE A LITTLE TWEAK VICE MAYOR.
WELL, THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WAS NONE.
SO WE'RE AMENDING IT, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND.
AND THEN, AND THEN IT'S NOT OPEN FOR DEBATE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UM, AND COUNSEL, I'M HAPPY TO PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE LIST THAT'S LIKE EXAMPLES OF THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED AND MAYBE TIME LIMITS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT.
AND THE BUDGETARY LIMIT WOULD BE ALSO SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO SEE, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
WELL, CAN YOU CLARIFY, WHEN YOU SAY BUDGETARY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MONEY PUT OUT OR STAFF TIME.
CAN I PLEASE, COULD, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANNETTE UNDERSTANDS.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, AND NEITHER ONE OF US, I BELIEVE THE, MY VICE OR MYSELF ARE LOOKING FOR THE CITY TO PUT OUT EVEN ONE PENNY FROM CITY RESOURCES.
SO IT WOULD BE STAFF TIME AND SHE ALREADY SAID UP TO 15 MINUTES WHAT, WHATEVER IT WOULD BE.
SO WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU, IS WHAT I'M ASKING? WELL, BUT IF YOU MAIL SOMETHING, THEN YOU ARE SPENDING MONEY THAT'S PART OF CITY MONEY.
WE DON'T, BUT WE DON'T DO THAT.
I THINK WE CAN EASILY PUT TOGETHER A MORE SPECIFIC LIST OF EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, AS ASSISTANCE.
AND IF I HAVE THE TIME TO GET IT DONE TOMORROW, WE CAN TRY TO GET IT INTO THE PACKET FOR NOVEMBER 12TH SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A BIG DELAY.
UM, WOULD YOU WANNA SEE THAT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR? I, OR WOULD YOU WANT IT TO BE DISCUSSED AGAIN? OR YOU CAN DECIDE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE UPCOMING MEETINGS? I, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THE WAY WE TYPICALLY WORK IS IF YOU PUT IT ON THE CONSENT AND WE READ ABOUT IT AND WE DON'T WANT IT ON THE CONSENT, WE'LL PULL IT FROM CONSENT.
WELL, I PLAN TO PUT IT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
ANYTHING ELSE? UH, SO ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? OKAY.
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ITEM[8.c. AB 3119 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of a Construction Manager at Risk contract with KEAR Civil Corporation for the construction of the WWRP UV Replacement Project, in an amount not-to-exceed $4,096,710, and approval of a Professional Services Agreement for the Construction Administration and Post-Design Services to Sunrise Engineering, LLC in the amount of $73,300]
C, AB 31 19 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK CONTRACT WITH CARE CARR, UH, CIVIL CORPORATION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE W-W-R-P-U-V REPLACEMENT PROJECT, UH, IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED FOUR MILLION NINETY SIX THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED TEN THOUSAND IN APPROVAL OF A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION AND POST DESIGN SERVICES TO EAGLE, I'M SORRY, SUNRISE ENGINEERING LLC IN THE AMOUNT OF 73,300.GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS.
UM, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ASK FOR APPROVAL OF A CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES CONTRACT AND A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE W-W-R-P-U-V REPLACEMENT PROJECT.
UM, SEEMS LIKE ALL OF OUR WASTEWATER PROJECTS ARE A MOUTHFUL.
UM, JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND OF WHY WE'RE DOING THE PROJECT.
THE EXISTING UV SYSTEM IS 14 YEARS OLD.
IT'S AN ESSENTIAL PART OF OUR TREATMENT PROCESS.
IT WHAT, UM, ALLOWS US TO HAVE THE A PLUS WATER QUALITY RATING AND ALLOWS US TO DISCHARGE TO OUR WETLANDS AND THROUGH AQUIFER RECHARGE.
SO WITHOUT UV, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, WE STARTED THIS PROJECT A COUPLE YEAR AND A HALF AGO, UM, WITH A DESIGN REPORT EVALUATING DIFFERENT TYPES OF UV SYSTEMS AND HOW WE MIGHT CHANGE WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO.
UM, WE EVALUATED THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UM, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING WITH WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED IN THAT DESIGN REPORT, UM, FOR A NON-CONTACT UV SYSTEM, UM, THAT DIFFERS FROM OUR EXISTING SYSTEM.
NOW, IN THAT, CURRENTLY OUR, OUR WATER FLOWS THROUGH AN OPEN CHANNEL, AND THEN THE UV LIGHTS ARE, UM, SUBMERGED IN THAT WATER AND THEY ARE ILLUMINATED A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME.
UM, WITH THE NON-CONTACT UV, THE, THE BULBS ARE EXTERNAL FROM THE WATER AND THE WATER FLOWS THROUGH TUBES.
SO ONLY THE BULBS WHERE THE WATER LEVEL ARE, ARE ILLUMINATED.
UM, THIS REDUCES POWER CONSUMPTION ANYWHERE FROM 25 TO 40% AND ALSO EXTENDS THE LIFE OF THE, THE BULBS.
SO, UM, REPLACEMENT OF THOSE BULBS ANNUALLY WILL BE LESS, SIGNIFICANTLY LESS IN IN COST.
UM, OUR FINAL DESIGN OF THIS NEW SYSTEM WAS COMPLETED LAST MONTH.
UM, AND, UM, KEIR CONSTRUCTION, KEIR CIVIL CORPORATION WAS CHOSEN THROUGH A QUALIFICATION BASED SOLICITATION BACK IN, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS APRIL.
UM, THEY'VE PARTICIPATED IN THE DESIGN OF THE UV SYSTEM IN EVALUATING CONSTRUCTABILITY, DOING VALUE ENGINEERING, UM, COST ESTIMATES ALONG THE WAY, UM, AND THEN DEVELOP ULTIMATELY DEVELOPMENT OF A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE PROPOSAL, WHICH IS PART OF THIS, UM, CONSTRUCTION PHASE CONTRACT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL TONIGHT.
THEIR SCOPE OF WORK INCLUDES DEMOLITION OF ABANDONED TRAVELING BRIDGE SAND FILTER BASINS THAT WERE ABANDONED IN 2020, I BELIEVE.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING THE NEW UV SYSTEM THERE SO THAT WE CAN KEEP OUR EXISTING UV SYSTEM ACTIVE DURING CONSTRUCTION AND THERE WILL BE NO DOWNTIME.
UM, THEY'LL BE MODIFYING THOSE BASINS TO BE ABLE TO FIT THE NEW TWO NON-CONTACT UV SYSTEMS, SOME ELECTRICAL MODIFICATIONS, PROGRAMMING AND REMOVAL OF OUR OLD UV SYSTEM.
UM, THE SCHEDULE THAT THEY'VE DEVELOPED AS PART OF THEIR GMP PROPOSAL WOULD BE PROCURING THE EQUIPMENT CONCURRENTLY WITH OUR PERMITTING, WHICH IS, UM, BEGINNING IN NOVEMBER, FIRST PART OF NOVEMBER.
UM, MOBILIZATION AND ACTUAL START OF CONSTRUCTION WON'T HAPPEN UNTIL FEBRUARY BECAUSE OF THE LEAD TIME FOR THE EQUIPMENT.
UM, AND THEN THEY ARE ANTICIPATING PROJECT COMPLETION IN OCTOBER OF 2025.
UM, ALONG WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE CONTRACT WITH KEIR.
UM, WE ALSO WANT TO DO A POST CON POST DESIGN SERVICES CONTRACT WITH SUNRISE ENGINEERING FOR SUPPORT DURING CONSTRUCTION FROM THE ENGINEERING FIRM.
UM, THEIR SCOPE OF WORK, UM, INCLUDES ATTENDANCE AT PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETINGS AND WEEKLY PROGRESS MEETINGS.
UM, ASSISTING CITY STAFF WITH MATERIAL SUBMITTAL REVIEWS AND REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION, UM, ALONG WITH SPECIALIZED CONSTRUCTION INSPECTIONS FOR STRUCTURAL AND ELECTRICAL INSPECTIONS THAT ARE JUST OUTSIDE OF THE, THE ABILITY OF CITY STAFF TO DO THOSE.
AND THEN FINALLY, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF RECORD DRAWINGS.
UM, THE BUDGET FOR THE PROJECT, WE DEVELOPED THIS BUDGET IN FISCAL YEAR 2023.
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UM, AND THAT WAS BASED OFF OF THE DESIGN REPORT AND THE ESTIMATES FROM THAT DESIGN REPORT.SO WE'RE DEVELOPING THESE BUDGETS 16 TO 18 MONTHS AHEAD OF WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
UM, WE BUDGETED THREE POINT, ROUGHLY $3.5 MILLION.
THIS TABLE IS IN YOUR AGENDA BILL AS WELL.
UM, AND WE'VE SEEN INCREASES IN PRICES AND, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE DESIGN PHASE YOU REALIZE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T REALIZE THAT AT THE PRELIMINARY POINT.
SO THE OVERALL, THE PROJECT IS ROUGHLY $750,000 OVER WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY ESTIMATED.
UM, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO SPAN TWO FISCAL YEARS.
UM, WE CAN MAKE UP FOR THAT WITH OUR FY 26 BUDGET AND ADD THAT IN THERE.
QUESTION VICE MAYOR ROXANNE, DO YOU THINK BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A CM A TYPE OF A CONTRACT, IT ALSO, THERE'S SOME CUSHION IN THERE FROM THE CONTRACTORS? THERE DEFINITELY IS SOME CONTINGENCY.
THE THE REASON WE GO WITHS MAR CONTRACTS WITH AT TREATMENT PLANTS MOST OF THE TIME IS BECAUSE IT NEVER GOES AS PLANNED
UM, AND SO HAVING THEM INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN PROCESS AND OUT THERE LOOKING AT WHAT ACTUALLY HAS TO BE DONE, UM, THEY TAKE ON THE RISK FOR THOSE CHANGE ORDERS FOR THOSE UNEXPECTED ITEMS THAT COME UP.
UM, AND SO YOU MIGHT HAVE AN A HIGHER INITIAL COST, BUT TYPICALLY THERE ARE FAR FEWER CHANGE ORDERS UNLESS SOMETHING'S JUST VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN ANYBODY ANTICIPATED.
BUT WE ARE, WE ARE REALLY MOVING RISK OVER TO THE CONTRACTOR.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
OKAY, ROXANNE, UH, KATHY, SO QUESTIONS ON, ON THE BUDGET ASPECT OF THIS.
SO IT'S THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS ROUGHLY.
THAT IS THE, THE SHORTFALL THAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO COME OUT OF FY 26.
UM, WHICH I UNDERSTAND AND, AND I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE, BUT WE USUALLY, AND WE GET A PRESENTATION ON THIS, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN TIMES ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE UNENDED FUNDS IN A BUDGET AND WE, WE ARE KEEPING THESE NUMBERS IN MIND.
SO THIS ALREADY WOULD EAT THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS INTO WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE AS BUDGET SURPLUS FOR SPENDING DOWN WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT OUR PRIORITY SESSIONS, WHICH IS WHERE WE USUALLY THEN START TALKING ABOUT HOW TO SPEND THE UNSPENT FUNDS.
AM I, IS THAT CORRECT? IS, IS THAT WHERE, I GUESS THAT'S REALLY MORE OF A QUESTION FOR, FOR ANNETTE.
IT WOULD REALLY BE A QUESTION FOR BARB, BUT SHE'S NOT HERE.
I TOLD HER SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, I'M SORRY, I WAS MAKING MY LIST OF ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES FOR THE SISTER CITIES, SO I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR FULL QUESTION.
SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION AROUND HOW THE BUDGET'S ADMINISTERED? SO WHEN WE GO INTO BUDGET PRIORITY DISCUSSIONS, WE USUALLY HAVE NUMBERS IN MIND OF, AND WE, WE GET A COUPLE OF PROJECTIONS A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR ON THAT ABOUT WHAT THE NUMBER'S GONNA BE.
THIS WOULD ALREADY EAT INTO BY THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS.
WHAT WE WOULD HAVE AS OVERAGES THAT WE'VE SORT OF BEEN KEEPING, AT LEAST I'VE BEEN KEEPING NUMBERS IN THE BACK OF MY BRAIN AND THAT NUMBER WOULD NOW BE REDUCED BY THIS AMOUNT.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO FOR THE STARTING BALANCE OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO PROGRAM INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, I BELIEVE, RIGHT? UM, YES.
SO IF WE, AND IT WOULD BE LIKE ANY CARRYOVER OF UNFINISHED CONTRACTS AND PROJECTS FROM THE CURRENT YEAR INTO THE NEXT YEAR, WE WOULD HAVE A LIST OF WHAT THOSE ARE, AND THIS OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE ONE OF THEM.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD HOW THAT WAS BEING TREATED.
BUT IT, IT WOULD BE A NEW APPROPRIATION NEXT YEAR, RIGHT? RIGHT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT IF YOU SAY, OH, AT THE BEGINNING OF FY 26, WE THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE X AMOUNT OF MONEY AVAILABLE IN THE CIP, THEN I WOULD IMAGINE I WASN'T HERE LAST YEAR FOR THE BEGINNING, SO I'M JUST BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE ELSEWHERE, WE WOULD START OFF WITH, AND BEFORE YOU INVEST THOSE DOLLARS AND NEW APPROPRIATIONS, WE NEED TO APPROPRIATE THESE FIVE THINGS THAT ARE STILL LEFT OVER FROM THE PRIOR YEAR.
SO WE WOULD KEEP TRACK OF IT FOR THAT AND MAKE SURE.
HOW MANY, UH, PROPOSALS DID YOU RECEIVE AND WHERE DID THIS LINE UP IN TERMS OF THE COST? SO, UM, THE PROPOSALS
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FOR CMA ARE QUALIFICATION BASED AND YOU DON'T DO ANY COST UNTIL YOU'VE CHOSEN A FIRM.SO THEY'RE BASED SOLELY ON QUALIFICATIONS.
WE RECEIVED TWO FIRMS THAT PROPOSED FOR THIS PROJECT AND KIER SCORED THE HIGHEST THROUGH, UM, EVALUATION FROM A TEAM OF, OF PEOPLE.
AND THEN YOU NEGOTIATE WITH THEM AND THEN WE NEGOTIATE WITH THEM.
DID ARE, WAS THE OTHER, UH, BIDDER SUBSTANTIALLY LESS QUALIFIED? UM, OH, I HAVE TO RECALL.
I, IT WASN'T SUBSTANTIALLY LESS QUALIFIED.
IT WAS, THEY WERE QUALIFIED TO DO THE WORK, BUT KI CAME ON HIGHER AND I DON'T RECALL IN WHAT AREAS OFFHAND QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS? NO, MAYOR.
WE WILL, AGAIN, WE'LL OPEN AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
BRIAN, MY FINAL COMMENT IS, UM, WE HAVE TO DO THE WORK.
THIS ISN'T, THIS IS FOR THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
SO WHETHER IT WAS A DOLLAR MORE OR $750,000 MORE, WE HAVE TO DO THIS WORK.
AND SO, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS WORK AND MAKE SURE OUR COMMUNITY REMAINS HEALTHY.
I, I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR DUNN, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT IT'S DISSATISFYING, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA COST US 20% MORE THAN WHAT WE GUESSED.
AND AT SOME POINT WE GOTTA GET BETTER AT GUESSING.
UM, AND, AND I DO GET CONCERNED ABOUT, OKAY, THEY'RE AT RISK, BUT ONLY TO A POINT.
RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT, WELL, I SHOULD HOPE THAT SOIL NAILING IS NOT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GOTTA GO DO SOIL NAILING AND THAT PROJECT WE WILL NOT HAVE TO DO THAT THAT'S NOT INCLUDED AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF ANY RISK THAT STILL EXISTS IN ARRIVING AT THE 4.2 MILLION IN CHANGE? UM, SO THE ONLY RISK I SEE WHERE, UM, THERE MIGHT BE SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS IS IN AD Q'S REVIEW OF OUR PERMIT.
IF THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, FULL REDUNDANCY FROM OUR PEAK FLOWS INSTEAD OF OUR PERMITTED FLOWS.
UM, OUR PEAK DAILY FLOWS ARE HIGHER THAN OUR MAXIMUM MONTH AVERAGE THAT WE ARE PERMITTED FOR.
SO IF THEY COME BACK AND THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT REDUNDANCY FOR THOSE PEAKS, WE MIGHT HAVE TO ADD A LITTLE BIT, UM, TO THIS, BUT, OKAY.
OKAY, KATHY? YEAH, NO, I, I JUST, I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR DUNN.
THIS IS WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
MY PURPOSE IN RAISING THE FINANCIAL QUESTIONS BEFORE IS BECAUSE WE DO START OUT WITH THESE NUMBERS IN THE BACK OF OUR HEAD.
AND LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE GOING LAST YEAR, WHEN WE WERE GOING OVER THE, WHAT THE PROJECTIONS, THEY WERE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THEY WERE STARTING TO TREND LESS.
AND CAPITAL PROJECTS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD.
AND I KNOW THAT, UH, THE VICE MAYOR HAD ASKED FOR THIS AS WELL, THAT WE GET A REVIEW OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF OVERAGE AND THEY ARE HARD TO NAIL DOWN IN TERMS OF WHAT THE NUMBERS WILL BE, BUT IT IS EATING AS WE SEE THE TRENDING GOING DOWN.
SO I'M JUST CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, AND I SUPPORT THIS, SPENDING THIS MONEY FOR THIS.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEALTH, UM, QUESTION.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUALMS ABOUT THIS.
WE WOULD SPEND IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT I DID WANT TO JUST RAISE THAT, THAT WE KEEP THAT IN MIND.
'CAUSE I THINK I, I, AS, UM, COUNCILOR LTZ POINTED OUT, WE NEED TO GET A BETTER HANDLE ON PROJECTING OUT WHAT THE REAL NUMBERS ARE GONNA BE SO THAT WE KNOW MORE REALISTICALLY WHAT OUR SURPLUSES WILL OR WON'T BE.
BECAUSE WE ARE, WE HAVE BEEN SEEING UNCERTAIN TIMES FINANCIALLY OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN PREDICT PREDICTIONS OF, UM, RECESSIONS THAT HAVEN'T COME, SOFT LANDINGS THAT NEVER LANDED ANYWHERE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A HANDLE ON HOW DO WE, TO BE RESPONSIBLE BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY, GET MORE CERTAINTY IN UNCERTAIN TIMES.
AND THAT WAS THE POINT OF MY QUESTION.
SO, BUT I SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
BEFORE YOU GO, JESSICA, ANNETTE HAS, I HAVE NOTHING.
OH, I THOUGHT YOU HAD SOMETHING.
NO, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
UM, I JUST WANNA COMMENT THAT I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AGENDA IS TO TALK ABOUT THE WHOLE CIP BUDGET PROCESS TONIGHT.
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WE'RE NOT.BUT, UM, I WILL JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE TEASER THAT OUR NEW FINANCE DIRECTOR, BARBARA AND I HAVE BEEN ALREADY TALKING ABOUT HOW TO DO THE CIP PROCESS THIS YEAR, STARTING EARLIER, DOING A DIFFERENT DIVE INTO IT, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO WE DID, WE'RE WELL AWARE OF THE COUNCIL'S INTEREST IN IT, AND WE WILL BE, UM, PRESENTING TO YOU IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, MAYBE A DIFFERENT APPROACH.
UH, VICE MAYOR, AND THEN WE'LL GO FOR THE MOTION.
YEAH, I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT TO, UH, MY COLLEAGUES CONCERNS.
I TOO HAVE CONCERNS AND I KNOW FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE BEING IN BUSINESS AND, AND PROJECTING COSTS AND DOING BUDGETS, YOU CAN BE CON VERY CONSERVATIVE.
LIKE, WE'RE GONNA LOW BALL THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA SCARE COUNCIL.
AND THEN IT COMES IN WHERE IT COMES IN.
AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS BE MORE REALISTIC IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON IN PEOPLE'S MINDS, WE'D RATHER SEE THE HIGHER PRICE AND KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING INTO THAN BE SURPRISED AS WE GO ALONG.
I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID FROM THE DAYS, BUT UM, I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS, BUT THIS HAS TO BE DONE, RIGHT? SO REGARDLESS OF WHERE WE END UP, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT BEING OVER OVERCHARGED, IT HAS TO BE DONE.
SO TO ME IT'S THE CORE VALUE OF HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE FOR THE OUR COMMUNITY.
SO YOU WANT A MOTION, MAYOR? YES.
WOULD YOU PLEASE? I WOULD LOVE TO.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE AWARD FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CONTRACT TO KIAR CIVIL CORPORATION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WW RP UV REPLACEMENT PROJECT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $4,096,710 SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A WRITTEN CONTRACT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
OKAY, ANY COMMENTS? ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? WE ARE UNANIMOUS.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE AWARD FOR THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT TO SUNRISE ENGINEERING LLC FOR CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION AND SERVICES FOR THE W-W-R-P-U-V REPLACEMENT PROJECT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $73,300 SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A WRITTEN CONTRACT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
OKAY, ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.
[8.d. AB 3122 Discussion/possible action regarding the installation of a Flagpole at the Posse Grounds Pavilion to exceed City Code Height.]
OKAY, ITEM D, AB 31 22.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE INSTALLATION OF A FLAGPOLE AT THE POSSE GROUNDS PAVILION, NOT, UH, TO, UH, TO EXCEED CITY CODE HEIGHT.
WHO IS THAT GONNA BE? THAT WOULD BE ME, MAYOR, UH, JACK ROSS WITH SAFECO.
DO YOU WANT TO OPERATE THAT THING? ARE YOU GOOD OR, I'LL DO THAT.
WE'RE GOING FROM SLIDE TO SLIDE, BUT JOSH, THE ULTRA MARATHON RUNNER CAN FIGURE THIS OUT.
UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY MANAGER, THANKS FOR ALLOWING US TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
AND, UH, OF COURSE SAFECO IS THE SEDONA AREA VETERAN COMMUNITY OUTREACH GROUP.
UH, AND WE'RE HERE WITH A BIG ASK.
AND THAT'S, UH, WE WORK WITH THE CITY.
IN JULY, WE MET, UH, JOSH WYN, ALONG WITH, UH, RYAN HAYES CITY, UH, MAINTENANCE WORKER AND JASON VARGO, WHO HEADS UP THE COORDINATION OF THE PAVILION USE.
UH, DON HALFORD WAS IN TOW THAT DAY, AND JOHN MARTINEZ, WHO'S NOT WITH US TODAY, BUT, UH, HE WAS THERE.
SO WE REPRESENTED SAFECO AND THE CITY WAS THERE IN FULL FORCE.
WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE THERE, JOSH.
SO THE BIG ASK IS FOR A PERMANENT FLAGPOLE.
YOU REMEMBER MEMORIAL DAY? WE HAD A TEMPORARY FLAGPOLE THERE.
RYAN HAYES WAS KIND ENOUGH IN SHORT NOTICE TO DIG A HOLE, GET SOME CEMENT IN THERE, AND PUT IN A PROPER RECEPTACLE THAT WE COULD INSERT A TEMPORARY FLAG POLE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WAS USED THAT DAY.
THIS IS A FURTHER BACK VIEW FROM THE PAVILION.
YOU CAN SEE THE FLAGPOLE OFF THE LEFT.
THE FLAGS HAD HALF MASS THERE.
IT WAS A CLEARER DAY THAN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE.
IT LOOKED REAL NICE WITH THE RED ROCKS IN THE BACKGROUND AND EVERYTHING.
AND THE, THIS IS WHERE WE, WE MET THIS DAY BECAUSE THERE WAS A DISCUSSION WHERE THE FLAG POLES
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SHOULD GO.THERE WAS FEARS THAT IT COULD BLOCK A VIEW THAT'S CALLED THE MILLION DOLLAR VIEW BY, BY JASON VARGO AND THE, AND THE GANG DURING WEDDINGS, THEY LOOK TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS IF YOU STAND IN THE STAGE, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY, YEAH, DON'T CHANGE THE SLIDE, JOSH, BUT I SEE YOU MOVING YOUR POINTER.
YOU'RE GOOD OFF IN THAT DIRECTION.
WHERE JOSH HAD THE, UH, THE, UH, POINTER GOING.
SO HE KIND OF FRAMED IT UP IN THE FLAGPOLE THAT WE HAD THERE TEMPORARILY WAS KIND OF IN THE PICTURE.
A PHOTOGRAPHER COULD MAYBE ERASE IT.
BUT WE SAID, HEY, LET'S MOVE AROUND.
AND YOU CAN SEE AN IMAGE WAY IN THE BACK THERE, A BLURRY IMAGE THAT, THAT'S NOT SASQUATCH.
THAT'S A POINT THAT WE ALL CAME TO AGREEMENT THAT HEY, THE FLAGPOLE, WE LOOK PRETTY GOOD THERE.
JASON GOT UP AND LOOKED AT THE STAGE AND FRAMED HIS PHOTO AND GOES, HEY, I, I CAN WORK WITH THAT.
UM, WE, AND WE SHOOK HANDS AND LOOK AT THAT.
YOU ALREADY PUT IT IN THERE, MAYOR, YOU'RE, YOU'RE QUICK.
SO THAT'S THE ASK THAT WE, WE START IN THAT DIRECTION.
SO MY LITTLE SEARCH TURNED UP ONE FOR ABOUT $2,800.
YOU GET A FLAG POLE, THE LIGHT THAT GOES ON TOP WITH THE INTERNAL WORKINGS.
THIS HAPPENS TO BE THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE ONE AT THE MILITARY PARK.
THAT THE US FLAG IS ON A 30 FOOTER.
THE OTHER FLAG POLES, I BELIEVE ARE AT 25 FEET IN THE MILITARY PARK.
SO THIS WOULD DUPLICATE THE ONE THAT'S IN THE, UH, MILITARY PARK.
THE INTERNAL WORKINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT 'CAUSE IT'S A LITTLE LATCH THERE.
YOU GOTTA OPEN IT UP AND THEN YOU CAN RAISE A FLAG AND LOWER IT.
IF EVERYTHING'S ON THE OUTSIDE, THERE'S A DANGER OF KIDS COMING BY AT NIGHT AND GO, HEY, LET'S GET A FLAG FROM SEDONA.
THEY COULD TAKE THAT PUPPY DOWN AND RUN OFF WITH IT.
SO IF IT'S INTERNAL WORKINGS WITH A KEY THAT WE CAN RE-KEY TO MATCH THE OTHERS, IT CAN BE A SEAMLESS OPERATION.
THE UM, AND THE WAY IT WOULD WORK, OUR GOAL, OUR HOPE IS THAT THE CITY WOULD PROCURE THE FLAGPOLE, CITY MAINTENANCE WOULD INSTALL IT, AND THEN WE WOULD WORK WITH WE SAFE CODE WORK WITH PARKS AND RECREATION TO MAINTAIN IT, GET THE FLAGS UP, PARKS AND REC.
EVERY SIX MONTHS I GO DOWN THERE AND PICK UP A, A BUNCH OF FLAGS, REPLACE THE ONES AT THE MILITARY PARK.
SO IT WOULD BE TWO ADDITIONAL FLAGS PER YEAR TO SERVICE THIS FLAG POLE.
AND WE WOULD SWITCH THOSE FLAGS OUT AS NEEDED.
IF THEY GET WEATHERED, WE REPLACE 'EM RIGHT AWAY.
BUT USUALLY WE GET CLOSE TO SIX MONTHS OUT OF THOSE USAGE, OUT OF THE FLAGS.
SAFECO WILL CONTINUE TO DO THE HALF STAFFING OF THE FLAGS AS DIRECTED BY THE GOVERNOR OF ARIZONA AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
AS WE DO CURRENTLY, THE CEREMONIAL FLAGS THAT WE USE AT THE MEMORIAL DAY SAFE GOAL WILL PROVIDE THOSE, THOSE ARE LARGER FLAGS.
THEY'RE OF COTTON MATERIAL, VERY HEAVY, NOT SUITABLE FOR EVERYDAY USE OUT THERE.
SO, A 30 FOOT FLAGPOLE, THE FIELD LIGHTING POSTS AT THE FIELD ARE 40 FEET.
SO THE FLAGPOLE IS LESS THAN THAT.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ONE WE USED THIS PAST SPRING DIDN'T BLOCK ANY VIEWS, WASN'T OBTRUSIVE OR ANYTHING.
AND IT, MOST PEOPLE PRETTY MUCH ENJOYED SEEING IT IN THAT VICINITY AS THE SLIDE SAYS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, JESSICA, WHY CAN'T YOU JUST HAVE IT AT WHATEVER THE APPROVED LEVEL IS.
HEIGHT? WELL, THE TEMPORARY ONE WAS 25 FEET AND YOU SAW HOW SMALL THAT WAS.
SO 22 IS THE KIND OF THE, YOU GOTTA GO CITY CODE TO GET ABOVE THAT, I GUESS.
SO HOW SMALL DO YOU WANT IT? I MEAN, THE PAVILION'S PRETTY BIG.
WELL, THE FLAG, THE FLAG IS PRETTY BIG FOUR BY SIX.
SO THE SMALLER THE FLAG POLE, IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT BEING ON THERE.
IT'D BE LIKE ON A FISHING POLE.
SO YOU WANT IT TO REPRESENT THE BEAUTY OF THE PAVILION, WHICH IS A SUBSTANTIAL STRUCTURE.
SO ANYTHING SMALLER DOESN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE.
YEAH, THE THREE FEET, YOU MEAN FROM 25 TO 2025 WAS PRETTY SMALL.
WE'RE AT, WE'RE HOPING FOR 30, WHICH MATCHES THE, THE POLE AT THE MILITARY PARK.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, WELL THAT'S MY QUESTION.
THANK YOU FOR THE CARE, JOSH, YOU AND YOUR STUFF.
UH, UH, JAY, THANK YOU FOR LOOKING AT HOW IT WOULD LOOK AND FRAMING IT IN THE PICTURE, BUT WOULD ANYBODY LOOK AT IT FROM BELOW? UM, THERE ARE RESIDENCES DOWN THERE
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OVER IN CASA CONTENTA AND I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE LOOKING UP AT IT.DID ANYBODY CHECK THAT? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
SO WE DID FROM THE ROAD BELOW AND IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE VISIBLE.
UM, IT WOULD BE BASICALLY FROM THE HEIGHT OF THE PAVILION BEING ABOUT 25 FEET, IT WOULD BLEND RIGHT IN ABOUT THE SAME HEIGHT THAT THEY CAN SEE THE PAVILION FROM A LOT OF THOSE HOUSES.
BUT BEING RIGHT BEHIND IT, THE FLAGPOLE WOULD BE SLIGHTLY TALLER.
SO YES, IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE VISIBLE FROM THOSE HOMES.
AND AM I UNDERSTANDING IT CORRECTLY THAT THIS, THE FLAG WOULD BE FLOWN ON, ON DESIGNATED OCCASIONS AND NOT ON A DAILY BASIS? DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? NO, MA'AM.
UH, 24 7 IT WOULD HAVE A PERMANENT, UH, SOLAR POWERED LIGHT ON TOP SO IT'S CAN BE DISPLAYED AT NIGHT.
SO THE LIGHT WOULD BE VISIBLE TO HOMES BELOW THEN AS WELL.
AND THERE IS NO LIGHT THERE NOW.
AND WE ARE PRETTY CAREFUL ABOUT OUR TURNING OFF THE LIGHTS AT THE BALL FIELDS AND WE'VE HAD RESIDENTIAL CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE.
UM, IT'S, HMM, ONE COMMENT ON THAT MA'AM IS THE, UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT A LIGHT THAT SPREADS OUT, IT POINTS DOWN TO THE FLAG.
IT'S A ROUND CYLINDER AS SUCH AND YOU'VE PROBABLY NEVER NOTICED THE ONE AT THE MILITARY PARK, WHICH IS ON EVERY NIGHT.
BUT THAT'S ALSO, THERE ARE STREETLIGHTS THERE.
IT'S RIGHT ALONG A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE THERE.
THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S DARK AT NIGHT, PART OF THE NIGHT SKY.
UM, OKAY, I'VE ASKED MY QUESTIONS BRIAN.
SO, UM, SORT OF FOLLOWING UP ON COUNCILOR ELLA'S QUESTION, IS IT SOME KIND OF, UM, ETIQUETTE REQUIREMENT THAT THE FLAG BE LIT? YES.
OTHERWISE IT HAS TO COME DOWN AT SUNSET EVERY NIGHT.
UM, 'CAUSE I DO HAVE THE SAME CONCERN, SIMON, WE'RE GONNA LOOK OVER NOW AT JOSH.
SO WE DO, I MEAN, WE'RE LOWERING STADIUM LIGHTS, WE'RE REMOVING STADIUM LIGHTS.
UM, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT THIS LIGHT AND THE FACT THAT IT'S GONNA BE MORE FORWARD TOWARDS THE ROAD THAN EVEN OUR STADIUM LIGHTS ARE CONCERNED? UM, YEAH, FOR THE ROAD IT WOULD BE TUCKED LIKE, LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, IT'S BEHIND THE PAVILION.
SO IT'S CLOSER TO THE HOMES THAT ARE BEHIND THERE FURTHER FROM LIKE POSSE GROUNDS ROAD COMPARED TO LIKE THE STADIUM LIGHTS AND CERTAINLY A SMALLER LIGHT FIXTURE.
WHEN WE DID THE TEMPORARY SETUP, WE HAD THAT TEMPORARY SETUP AND THE CITY COUNSELOR THAT'S NOT HERE TONIGHT HAD REACHED OUT AND ASKED FOR THAT TO BE MADE PERMANENT, IS HOW THIS KIND OF PROGRESSED.
SO COUNSELOR FURMAN HAD REACHED OUT OF SEEING THE TEMPORARY SETUP THERE AND THOUGHT IT WOULD LOOK GREAT AS A PERMANENT SETUP.
AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW THIS CONVERSATION STARTED.
SO THE LIGHT, THE, THERE WAS A LIGHT ON THE TEMPORARY AS WELL, IT WAS UP 24 7 OR THERE WAS NOT NO, THERE WAS NOT.
SO HAVE TO CONS COUNSELOR ELLA'S POINT, HAVE YOU ACTUALLY TALKED TO THE PEOPLE WHO WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS FROM THEIR BACK PORCHES OR SOMEWHERE ELSE? UM, AND IS, EVEN THOUGH IT POINTS DOWN, IT STILL REFLECTS UP.
SO I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THIS WOULD BE A SURPRISE TO THOSE PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND HAVE WE DONE ANY OUTREACH WE HAVE NOT FOR THAT.
THE OTHER OPTION WAS TO LEAVE THE POLL UP AND JUST PUT THE FLAG UP WHEN IT WAS NEEDED FOR LIKE MEMORIAL DAY VETERANS DAY, THAT KIND OF THING.
IN MY OPINION, JUST HAVING THE POLL STAND THERE BY ITSELF FOR 363 DAYS OF THE YEAR WOULD BE A WORSE LOOK THAT THERE'S JUST A GIANT 30 FOOT POLE WITH NO FLAG FLYING ON IT THAN HAVING THE ONE LIT.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THE TEMPORARY SETUP IS THERE AND IS ALWAYS THE OPTION AS WELL, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
IS IT DARK SKY COMPLIANT? THE LIGHT? YES.
IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE SHIELDED AND WITHIN ALL THE DARK SKY COMPLIANCIES AND SOLAR POWERED.
SO VICE MAIL YOU DONE? MM-HMM.
UM, SO JUST TO GO OVER, THIS IS HOW MUCH TALLER THAN WHAT WE HAD THE TEMPORARY, THE TEMPORARY IS 25 FEET AND THIS WOULD BE 30 FEET.
SO IT'S FIVE FOOT TALLER AND A LITTLE BIT BIGGER POLE.
SO A MORE SIGNIFICANT SETUP AND OBVIOUSLY PERMANENT.
I KNOW IT'S IN THERE, BUT I JUST WANNA BE SURE I HAVE COMMENTS AFTER.
SO, UH, KATHY, YOU WANTED TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION? I, I DID THE, AND YOU JUST RAISED ANOTHER ONE FOR ME.
'CAUSE THE, THE 25 FOOT POLE THAT WAS THERE ALREADY EXCEEDED
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THE 22 INCH, UH, 22 FOOT CITY, UM, LIMITATION.THAT'S WHAT PERMITTING ALLOWS.
NOW, WHY, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A BIG SPACE AND WE WANT THE FLAG SEAT AND I CERTAINLY SUPPORT A FLAG AT THIS LOCATION.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A BENIGN ISSUE YET IT'S GENERATING ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS, BUT BECAUSE I, I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT, BUT I I, WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST GO WITH A 22 FOOT LIMITATION? UM, THEY'RE BUILT IN FIVE FOOT INCREMENTS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE 22 FOOT LIMITATION WOULD ACTUALLY MEAN THAT WE WOULD HAVE A 20 FOOT POLE AND THAT THAT'S, YOU FEEL THAT'S INSUFFICIENT? CERTAINLY.
SO THE 25 FOOT ONE WOULD, WHICH WAS USED, WOULD STILL BE AN EXCEPTION TO WHAT'S PERMITTED, BUT WOULD, WOULD BE WHAT WAS USED BEFORE THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A, A POLL THAT'S PERMANENT AND NOT USED, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT OTHER THAN THE MILITARY PARK, WHICH THAT MAKES SENSE THAT WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WHEN WE PUT FLAGS AND THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
SAFE CO UM, PUT THE FLAGS OUT.
IT'S FOR OCCASIONS FOR HOLIDAYS TO BE COMMEMORATIONS.
UM, SO I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS WOULD BE DIFFERENT AND WHY WE WOULDN'T JUST WANT THIS FOR THOSE OCCASIONS.
'CAUSE I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S SO BIG, WE'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS NOT BEEN ASKED FOR ITS FEEDBACK WITH A NIGHT A, A LIGHT AT NIGHT.
UM, AND I, I JUST NOT, I'D LIKE THOSE CONCERNS ADDRESSED A LITTLE MORE.
YEAH, BASICALLY THE OPTION WOULD COME DOWN TO, IN MY OPINION, THAT WE WOULD EITHER DO THE PERMANENT 30 FOOT FLAG POLE WITH THE LIGHT AND I'M HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO THOSE RESIDENTS AND DO THAT.
THAT PORTION OF IT, IT WOULD BE THE DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND FIT IN THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
THE OTHER OPTION THAT I WOULD PREFER IF WE DON'T GO WITH THAT PERMANENT ONE, WOULD JUST TO BE WITH THIS TEMPORARY OPTION THAT'S THERE AND WE SET IT UP WHEN SAFCO USES IT OR USE IT FOR VETERANS DAY, MEMORIAL DAY, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
THE, JUST HAVING THE 30 FOOT POLE THERE THAT THE FLAG'S COMING UP AND DOWN, WHETHER THAT'S DAILY, WHICH WOULD BE A LOT, OR JUST FOR THOSE SPECIAL EVENTS, JUST HAVING THE POLE THERE IS KIND OF TAKING UP SOME OF THE VIEW OF WHAT THAT NATURAL SPACE IS, IN MY OPINION.
WHEREAS THE FLAG ON IT MAKES, GIVES IT A PURPOSE AND MAKES IT A BEAUTIFUL THING.
I MAY I INTERJECT, UH, THE POLL IS THERE, THE FLAG'S ON THERE.
UH, THE CURRENT MILITARY, UH, PARK, THERE'S TWO FLAGS ON THAT.
THE US FLAG AND THE POW FLAG UNDERNEATH THIS SETUP COULD HAVE SPACE FOR ANOTHER FLAG UNDERNEATH.
ANY FLAG THAT'S OF EQUAL SIZE OR SMALLER CAN GO BENEATH IT.
SO RED ROCK CONCERTS OR WHATEVER COULD HAVE A FLAG THAT COULD BE THERE UNDER THE AMERICAN FLAG.
MOUNTAIN BIKE ORGANIZATIONS, THEY COULD HAVE THEIR SPECIAL FLAG, IT COULD GO UP THERE IF YOU WANTED MORE USE OUT OF THAT, THAT RAISES A WHOLE NOTHER SET OF QUESTIONS AND ISSUES.
'CAUSE ACTUALLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT IS PERMITTED.
UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WANTS TO FLAG UP FOR ITALIAN AMERICAN DAY, ANOTHER ONE WANTS TO FLAG UP FOR IRISH AMERICAN DAY, OR SOMEBODY WANTS IT UP FOR, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALLOWED UNDER, WE SUPPORT US FLAG ETIQUETTE, THAT'S ALL.
I'M JUST TRYING TO BE EXTREME IN AN EXAMPLE.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S, I WOULD RATHER US NOT INTERJECT THAT INTO THIS DISCUSSION.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT, I THINK IT'S A SEPARATE DISCUSSION.
UM, BUT I, I DO HAVE COMMENTS WHEN WE GET THERE.
SO THE, THE FLAGS THAT YOU HAVE IN MIND FOR THE DAILY USE, UM, I'VE NOTICED, AND, AND BY THE WAY, I AM, I'M ALL FOR AMERICAN FLAGS, SO DON'T, DON'T GET ME WRONG.
UM, HOWEVER, DARK SKY COMPLIANT LIGHTING DOESN'T MATTER IF THE FLAGS THEMSELVES ARE MEANT TO BE REFLECTIVE.
UM, IF THEY ARE REFLECTIVE THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND.
AND SO I WAS JUST WONDERING, ARE THEY REFLECTIVE FOR THE LIGHT SO THEY'RE VISIBLE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I'M PRETTY SURE THEY MAKE NON-REFLECTIVE FLAGS, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THAT.
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WE OPEN THIS UP? WE DIDN'T OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT.MARY, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS.
SO WE'LL OPEN AND CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, WHY DON'T WE START TO MY LEFT? JESSICA, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YEAH, MY COMMENT IS, UM, THAT I, I PREFER THE OPTION OF HAVING THE TEMPORARY FLAG PUT UP ON OCCASIONS WHERE IT'S, WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE.
OH, AND IF WE, IF A PERMANENT FLAG IS PUT UP, THE ONE AT THE, UM, VE AT THE MILITARY PARK ARE 30, THE CENTER ONE IS YES.
BUT THE OTHERS, I REMEMBER THE COUNCIL HAD VERY SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THOSE AS WELL.
AND THE OTHERS ARE 25, CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY WERE HIGHER THAN, THAN THE MINIMUM.
I WOULD, I WOULD ONLY SUPPORT UP TO 25.
KATHY? UM, YES, I'M GOING TO START OUT.
I, AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS FOR NEIGHBORS THAT WILL BE SEEING SOMETHING, A NEW PERMANENT INSTALLATION OF SOMETHING, AND THEY HAVE NOT, THERE HAS NOT BEEN OUTREACH TO THOSE NEIGHBORS.
SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT AT THIS TIME.
I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF A TEMPORARY FLAGPOLE THAT'S USED FOR OCCASIONS.
UM, AND I WOULD ALSO LIMIT IT TO THE 25 FEET AS WELL.
UM, AND I, SINCE IT WOULD BE TEMPORARY, I THINK IT SHOULD BE THEN, YOU KNOW, REMOVED AND NOT SO THAT LIGHTING, SO IT'S NOT UP OVERNIGHT AND LIGHTING DOES NOT BECOME AN ISSUE.
SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON THIS.
BRIAN, I GUESS I SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAT IN SEDONA WE CAN FIND A WAY TO BE DISAGREEABLE ABOUT IT.
UH, I SUPPORT THE ASK AS ASKED NO EXCEPTIONS OR NEED FOR ALTERATIONS TO THE ASK.
I, I THINK THIS IS JUST DIFFICULT.
UM, I DON'T, I'M NOT CONCERNED SO MUCH ABOUT THE HEIGHT.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE REFLECTIVITY AT NIGHT, UM, BECAUSE THAT IS A VIOLATION OF DARK SKY AND TO SOME EXTENT, AND, UM, WHILE I LIVE IN THAT AREA, I'M PRETTY FAR AWAY.
I PROBABLY WOULDN'T SEE IT, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF HOMES THAT ARE NEARBY AND WOULD SEE IT.
UM, I WOULD ASSUME THEY WOULDN'T BE OFFENDED, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT.
SO I WOULD JUST, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF WE JUST HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FIND OUT ABOUT FLAG REFLECTIVITY.
I'M SORRY, I'M LAUGHING ONLY BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE FLAGS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO RESIST RAIN AND WIND AND SNOW AND ALL THAT, UM, IT MAKES ME THINK THAT THEY'RE MEANT TO, TO SHOW UP, UM, WHEN THERE'S, WHEN THERE'S LIGHTING ON THEM.
AND, AND THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT.
AND WITH DUE RESPECT TO THE FLAG, YOU WOULD WANT IT TO BE SEEN.
SO, UM, I I WOULD JUST LIKE FOR US TO, TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT ITS IMPACT MIGHT BE.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE 30 FEET, UM, 25 FEET, 30 FEET, IT'S FIVE FEET.
UM, EVEN I'M TALLER THAN FIVE FEET, SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE.
SO THOSE WOULD BE MY, MY TWO REQUESTS.
WE JUST TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT THOSE, UM, AND SEE WHAT PEOPLE THINK AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY, THEY AREN'T IMPACTED BY IT WHILE WE'RE STILL MAINTAINING PROPER RESPECT TO THE FLAG.
VICE MAYOR, I SUPPORT THE ASK AS IS.
SO FIRST OF ALL, JACK, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR THIS COMMUNITY WITH YOUR FLAGS ON 89 NIGHT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AMERICAN FLAG AND WHILE I DON'T LIVE AT SKATA NEXT DOOR, UM, BY THE TIME THEY WOULD SEE IT, I MEAN, IT'S THE AMERICAN FLAG.
I DON'T SEE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 25 OR 30.
IT WOULD BE BETTER IF YOU HAD GO, GONE OUT TO ASK THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING NEW AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING NEW IN SEDONA OR MANY OTHER PLACES.
SO THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, THEY'D MAKE A REFLECTIVE FLAG.
I MEAN, MAYBE POLYESTER WOULD BE, HAVE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE LIGHT IS DARK SKY AND YOU ANSWERED THAT VERY CLEARLY.
UH, IT, AND I'VE SEEN THE LIGHTS, IT SHINES DOWN.
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I REMEMBER STANDING ON THE STAGE THIS PAST YEAR AND LOOKING TO THE, TO MY RIGHT AND IT'S LIKE, YOU HARDLY NOTICE THE FLAGPOLE.AND I GIVE YOU ALL THE KUDOS IN THE WORLD, JOSH, FOR MAKING THAT WORK BECAUSE IT WAS MISSING, NEVER REALIZING THAT THE PARK WAS MISSING A FLAG.
WE SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS HAD A FLAG THERE.
WHATEVER THE HEIGHT IS, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A FLAG THERE.
AND EVEN WHEN IT WAS THERE FOR THIS FIRST TIME FOR THE EVENT, IT STILL LOOKED SHY.
SO, UH, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T LIVE NEXT DOOR.
BUT I SUPPORT IT AS, AS ASKED.
AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE, WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE.
SO I'M GOING TO SUGGEST KURT, IF WE CAN JUST WITHDRAW THIS FOR NOW.
LET, UH, JOSH COME BACK WITH HIS OUT, UH, OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY.
SEE IF, UH, IS, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? THAT'S ONE OPTION.
UH, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO FAIL.
UH, THAT'S, WELL, LET'S VOTE ON IT AND THEN WHEN PETE COMES BACK, WELL, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO BRING IT ALL BACK AGAIN.
SO THIS WAY IF WE PUT, WITHDRAW IT AND WELL WE HAVE TO BRING IT BACK AGAIN.
I'M JUST TRYING TO EXPEDITE THIS, UH, BRIAN.
BUT IF IT'S A TIE, THEN IT'S A NO.
AND THEN THERE IS, WHAT'S THE RULES AND PROCEDURE ON WHEN IT CAN COME BACK AGAIN? COUNCILOR FURMAN OR ANY VOTE OR ANY COUNSELORS WHO VOTED IN THE, IN THE PREVAILING MOTION.
SO THE NO VOTES IN THIS CASE, UH, COULD BRING IT BACK FOR RECONSIDERATION IN THE NEXT UH, 60 DAYS.
BUT IF COUNCIL PETE CAN, PETE CAN BRING IT BACK.
COUNCIL FURMAN, HE CAN'T BRING IT BACK EVEN BECAUSE HE'S NOT VOTING.
IT'S NOT, I WISH HE WAS HERE TO VOTE.
YES, WE BE MOVING ALONG RIGHT NOW.
JESSICA, WHEN YOU, I MEAN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A DIFFERENT COMMENT ON A SLIDE JUST TO SAY 22 FEET SEEMS TO BE A SILLY, UH, AMOUNT IN THE CODE AND THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKED AT.
'CAUSE NO ONE, NO ONE SEEMS TO LIKE IT.
BUT THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TO DISCUSS TODAY THE HEIGHT OF THE FLAG.
SO, SO CAN I UNDERSTAND MAYOR OF SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING? COULD, COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE? I SAID I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, WHICH DO YOU, YOU'RE ASKING THAT IT BE WITHDRAWN.
IS THAT THE SAME AS A MOTION TO TABLE? BECAUSE I WAS CONSIDERING MAKING A MOTION TO TABLE, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE IMPLICATION OF WHICH WAY TO DO IT.
UM, OR MOTION TO CONTINUE THE ITEM WOULD BE THE, THE BEST.
'CAUSE I DO THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE'S SOME EXTRA INFORMATION.
UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IF YOU MAY PLEASE, A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO ANOTHER MEETING.
SECOND, DO YOU WANNA PUT A TIMEFRAME ON NOT TO EXCEED MORE THAN, UH, A MONTH, 30 DAYS, OR, WE DON'T NEED THAT.
SO KURT, BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR THIS TO BE POSTPONED SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
DOES THAT NEED TO BE PART OF THE, IT'S NOT WHY IT'S BEING POSTPONED.
I KNOW IT'S FOR YOU, BUT THAT'S NOT FOR ME.
SO, SO SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST POSTPONING IT BECAUSE PETE'S NOT HERE BECAUSE PETE WAS MM-HMM.
THIS WAS PETE'S IDEA AND PETE ORIGINALLY BROUGHT THIS FORWARD.
OKAY, SO, SO COUNSELOR DUN TO YOUR QUESTION, STAFF ALSO HEARD, UH, CONCERNS OF SOME COUNSELORS.
AND SO I BELIEVE THEY WOULD GO SEE IF THEY COULD RESOLVE ANY OF THOSE BEFORE IT CAME BACK ANYWAY.
WAS COUNCILOR FURMAN'S PROPOSAL ON THIS OR ASK ON THIS? BECAUSE I SUPPORTED THE IDEA WHEN IT WAS, HE CAME TO ME AT THAT EVENT AND SAID, WELL YOU THINK, SHOULD THERE BE A FLAGPOLE HERE? AND I SAID, YES, I DO
IT'S JUST THE QUESTION OF THE NIGHT.
AND IT'S THE QUESTION OF, OF THE SIZE AND THE, AT A 25.
SO WOULD, WHEN YOU, IF THIS GETS CONTINUED, DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE INTENT WAS FROM COUNCILLOR FURMAN? WAS IT FOR NIGHT LIGHTING ON THERE AND FOR A 30 FOOT POLE? OR WAS IT JUST FOR A POLE? BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT A ABSENT COUNSELOR WOULD OR WOULD NOT SUPPORT.
AND I DON'T KNOW THEM, BUT IF YOU KNOW THEM, IF YOU COULD SHARE THEM, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET A PERMANENT FLAGPOLE HERE RATHER THAN THE TEMPORARY ONE? AND THAT WAS THE BUT A PERMANENT FLAGPOLE TO BE USED WITH A PERMANENT FLAG.
I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT'S CORRECT.
WELL THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO, YEAH, THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION THAT WE HAD.
IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? OKAY, HEARING NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION SAY AYE.
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BRIAN? DID YOU NAY? I DON'T WANNA CONTINUE.QUESTION WITH TWO NAY ON, WE, WE WE'RE STILL INTO, LET ME JUST WAIT.
WELL, BEFORE THE VOTE GETS CALLED, I'D LIKE TO RAISE A QUESTION ABOUT PROCESS.
KURT, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION TO KURT FOR IF, IF THE NAYS HAVE IT.
IT SOUNDED LIKE FORWARD TO, IF, IF IT WAS NAY TO CONTINUE IT, THEN THIS JUST, JUST GOES AWAY COMPLETELY.
NO, IT'S STILL HERE TILL COUNSEL DOES SOMETHING WITH IT, SO, OKAY, THAT'S, WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
I'M SORRY, WHAT DID THAT ANSWER MEAN?
UM, EITHER CONTINUE THE ITEM, UM, VOTE ON IT.
BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE TO ME IT WAS AFFORDED TWO FOR THE CONTINUANCE.
SO, ALTHOUGH IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING IT AS PER THE MOTION SAY AYE.
AGAIN, KURT, THAT RAISED MY QUESTION THOUGH.
IF, IF CONTINUING IT HAD HAD A NAY VOTE PREVAILED, THEN IT WOULD'VE GONE AWAY COMPLETELY.
NO, THE MOTION WOULD'VE JUST FAILED.
SO THE ITEM WOULD STILL BE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO HAVE VOTED ON THE ITEM OR FIND SOME OTHER WAYS TO CONTINUE OR TABLE IT OR DO SOMETHING.
YEAH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK.
WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AT 22 7.
IS PETE HERE? NO, PETE'S NOT BETTER YET.
I'M SURE HE, I BET YOU HE IS WATCHING.
I HOPE HE'S, THAT WOULD MEAN HE'S FEELING GOOD.
[8.e. AB 3086 Discussion/possible direction regarding traffic testing and monitoring with data collection using various traffic control strategies to update traffic modeling in the high congestion corridors, with a focus at the Y Roundabout and SR 179 crosswalk near Oak Creek. ]
AB 30 86.DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING TRAFFIC, UH, TESTING AND MONITORING WITH DATA COLLECTION USING VARIOUS TRAFFIC CONTROL STRATEGIES TO UPDATE TRAFFIC MODELING IN THE HIGH CONGESTION CORRIDORS WITH A FOCUS AT THE Y ROUNDABOUT AND SR 1 79 CROSSWALK NEAR OAK CREEK, WHO MIGHT BE GIVING THIS GREAT PRESENTATION.
SORRY, WE'RE MISSING PETE, BUT, UH, YEAH, THIS IS, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE FOR DELIVERING THIS.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOVEMBER 13TH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR BIG SIM OVERVIEW, BUT WE WANTED TO TOUCH ON OUR PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.
AND THEN, UM, MORE IMPORTANTLY WITH KIMLEY HORN, ANDREW AND TAYLOR HERE, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR METERING AND THE REPORTS THAT WE SHARED YOU WITHIN THE MEMO.
SO, UM, AND IF YOU WANT TO JUST ASK QUESTIONS AS WE'RE MOVING THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, THAT WAY WE CAN, UM, ANSWER 'EM ON, UM, AS, AS THEY COME UP AND THAT WE WON'T HAVE SUCH A LONG, OR YOU FORGET YOUR QUESTIONS AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.
UH, AND I DO, UH, ANDREW BAIRD, KIMLEY-HORN PROJECT MANAGER.
I DO WANT TO INTRODUCE TAYLOR DUNKLE, WHO IS OUR TRAFFIC LEAD.
UH, I'VE BROUGHT UP MANY TIMES AS I'VE PRESENTED HERE, THAT IT'S A TEAM EFFORT, NOT JUST ME.
TAYLOR'S BEEN INTEGRAL IN SPECIFICALLY THIS ANALYSIS.
AS YOU'LL SEE AS WE GO THROUGH, WE WERE OUT, UH, FOR TWO DAYS OVER 4TH OF JULY, TWO DAYS OVER LABOR DAY.
SHE WAS ON SITE FOR ALL FOUR OF THOSE DAYS WITH HER BACKGROUND AS A TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
SHE ALSO SERVES ON OUR SOFTWARE TEAM.
SO SOME OF THE SOFTWARE WE'RE USING TRACTION FOR TRACKING TRAVEL TIMES THE DATA DASHBOARD.
SHE WORKS ON THAT TEAM AS WELL.
SO A REALLY A, A PERFECT, UM, PARTNER TO HAVE ON THIS PARTICULAR STUDY.
BUT THEN REALLY EVERYTHING SEDONA TRAFFIC THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
TAYLOR, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS MY PRACTICE INTRODUCTION.
I DUNNO IF, IF I WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO IT.
UH, SO, UH, ON JULY 10TH, I KNOW THERE WAS ALREADY A, A, A QUICK PRESENTATION ON THE RESULTS OF THE 4TH OF JULY, UH, STUDY.
SO I'M GONNA, GONNA, I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, OUR FINDINGS AND THEN ALSO FOCUS ON THE RECENT, UH, ANALYSIS FROM LABOR DAY.
AND SO AS EVERYONE'S AWARE, UM, THIS WAS A TRAFFIC CONTROL AND MONITORING TEST, UH, AT THE Y
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ROUNDABOUT.SO 1 79 89, A INTERSECTION COLLECTED DATA ON JULY 5TH AND SIXTH.
VERY BUSY, UH, WEEKENDS POST 4TH OF JULY.
AND THEN OVER LABOR DAY, UH, AUGUST 31ST AND SEPTEMBER 1ST.
THAT WAS THE SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, UH, FROM PAST, UH, VOLUMES AND, AND TRACTION TRAVEL TIMES, WE KNEW THOSE WERE WERE PEAK DAYS TO, TO PICK UP.
AND THAT WAS EVIDENT BY WHAT WE SAW.
UH, DURING THE, THE MODELING, UH, PURPOSE, UH, NUMBER ONE, CONTINUE TO COLLECT TRAFFIC DATA.
EVERYONE'S AWARE ANYTIME, ANY CHANCE WE GET, WE'RE COLLECTING MORE DATA TO BUILD ON THE MODEL AND, AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE EXPLORING IN TERMS OF FUTURE PROJECTS, UM, AND, AND TESTS WE CAN RUN AT THIS, UH, INCREDIBLY CONGESTED INTERSECTION.
UH, GOAL WAS TO ALSO SIMULATE, UH, A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, SIGNAL METER AT THE ROUNDABOUT NOTICE.
UH, OVER 4TH OF JULY, WE WERE USING, UH, UH, PD, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, TCAS TO ASSIST OVER LABOR DAY.
WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT IN A, A TEMPORARY SIGNAL TO FURTHER MIMIC WHAT ULTIMATELY A METERING, UH, WOULD LOOK LIKE AT THE ROUNDABOUT.
UM, AND THEN WE WERE TRYING TO APPLY PROACTIVE TRAFFIC CONTROL AND THEN ANALYZE THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING SPECIFICALLY OVER LABOR DAY AS WE TALKED ABOUT AT OAK CREEK.
AND, AND LOOK AT THE EFFECTS OF PEDESTRIANS, BOTH AT GRADE AND BELOW GRADE, AND SEE WHAT WE COULD FIND AS REAL RESULTS OF TRAFFIC.
AND ALSO LOOK AT, UM, IF WE WERE DETERRING, UH, POTENTIAL PEDESTRIANS, THAT WOULD BE CROSSING 1 79.
UH, THAT HAD TO BE REDIRECTED TO GO, UH, BELOW GRADE WHEN, WHEN WE OPENED UP TEMPORARILY THE OAK CREEK CROSSING.
UM, AND THEN AT THE END OF THIS WE'LL BE TALKING A LOT ABOUT OUR FINDINGS FROM SOME OF THE ANALYSIS WE RAN.
THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY A, A, A TRAFFIC MEMO THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE PACKET.
SO A LOT OF THE, THE SLIDES WE'LL BE PULLING SOME OF THE GRAPHS, UH, AND ANALYSIS.
AND THEN, UH, A COUPLE VIDEOS WHERE WE, WE UTILIZED THE, THE TRAFFIC CAMERAS THAT WE HAD TO, UH, TO, TO VISUALLY SHOW OUR FINDINGS.
THIS WEEKEND, THIS JUST PAST WEEKEND, THERE WAS SOME TESTING GOING ON, RIGHT? HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN THIS SPECIFICALLY? THIS IS THE Y METERING.
SO WE WERE LOOKING AT, BUT WE INCORPORATED THE TEMPORARY CLOSURE SINCE WE HAD THE CAMERAS AND ALL THESE RESOURCES DEPLOYED.
SO WE WANTED TO CAPTURE THAT DATA IN ADVANCE OF THE, THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING OF OPENING.
SO IT WAS A WAY JUST TO GET MORE DATA.
SO THIS PAST WEEKEND WAS A WAY TO GET MORE DATA? WELL, YES.
WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM, COULD I, COULD I CLARIFY? YEAH.
SO LAST WEEKEND WE ONLY, UH, CLOSED THE AGGREGATE CROSSING AND HAD THE UNDERPASS OPEN.
WE DIDN'T DO THE, THE Y METERING, UM, SIMULATION, LIKE WHAT WE DID ON.
SO IT WAS A LESSER OF AN EFFORT, RIGHT? CORRECT, YEAH.
SPECIFICALLY THESE LAST TWO WEEKENDS WERE JUST TRYING TO UTILIZE THE PEACOCK AS A PRELIMINARY TO GET DATA SO WE CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
WE'RE STILL PROCESSING ALL THAT ON, UM, ALL DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.
AND THEN I ALSO SHOULD ADD, WE INVITED ADOT TO JOIN US.
UH, THEIR POINT TO ACTUALLY WITH THE METERING AND SO ON, THEY'RE PARTNERING WITH US.
UM, SO WE WILL CONTINUE INVITE 'EM.
IT'S A HOLIDAY WEEKEND THAT WE KIND OF KNEW THAT THEY WEREN'T, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL KNEW WE INVITED THEM.
OKAY, SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE, UH, THE TWO DIFFERENT TESTING PLANS.
AND ONE THING THAT EVERYONE'S AWARE OF THROUGH, UH, VARIOUS PRESENTATIONS WAS, UH, AS WE KNOW, 50% OF THE TRAFFIC THROUGH UPTOWN AND THROUGH THE Y IS COMING THROUGH THE WEST, 35% FROM THE SOUTH AND THEN 15% FROM THE NORTH.
SO AS WE STARTED TO LOOK AT PRIORITIZING MOVEMENTS THROUGH THE Y, THE FIRST TEST ON THE FIFTH AND SIXTH WAS REALLY A METER FOR SOUTHBOUND 89 A TO ALLOW THE MOVEMENT OF NORTHBOUND 89 A THROUGH THE Y AND ULTIMATELY THROUGH UPTOWN, AS WELL AS ENABLING THEM TO MAKE THE SOUTHBOUND MOVEMENT ONTO 1 79.
SO THAT INITIAL TEST WAS SIMULATED A METER JUST IN THAT DIRECTION, AGAIN, WITH, WITH PD AND, AND TCA.
AND SO WE SET UP, UH, ON THAT DAY, WE SET UP DIFFERENT DISTANCES TO STORE AND QUEUE VEHICLES.
'CAUSE ULTIMATELY THAT GOAL, AND FORGIVE ME IF WE'RE REPEATING WHAT WAS ON JULY 10TH, THAT GOAL WAS TO FREE UP, UH, THE CONFLICT MOVEMENT THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT SOUTHBOUND 89 A TRAFFIC THAT'S ULTIMATELY GOING ON SOUTHBOUND 1 79.
IF WE CUT OFF THAT CONFLICT, THAT FREES UP THE MOVEMENT FOR NORTHBOUND 89 A THROUGH UPTOWN.
SO THE INITIAL GOAL OF THAT METERING WAS WE'RE BUILDING UP TRAFFIC ON COOKS HILL.
WE'VE GOT 50% OF TRAFFIC FROM THAT WAY.
LET'S PRIORITIZE THAT MOVEMENT AND TEST AND SEE WHAT OUR RESULTS ARE.
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OF THE THINGS WE ANTICIPATED WOULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN WAS THAT IF WE PRIORITIZE 89 A, THEN WHAT HAPPENS NORTHBOUND 1 79? SO AS THAT TEST WAS RUNNING, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF IT ACTUALLY PD AND EVEN CHIEF FOLEY WAS OUT THERE PROMOTING TRAFFIC THAT WAS GOING ON 1 79 TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE UTILIZING THE ROUNDABOUT PROPERLY.'CAUSE SOME OF IT'S JUST AN EDUCATION ON HOW TO UTILIZE A ROUNDABOUT DON'T YIELD WHILE IN THE ROUNDABOUT.
AND IN SOME CASES THERE WAS SOME PROMOTION OF YOU'VE GOT THIS, LIKE IT'S A ROUNDABOUT WE BELIEVE IN YOU AND, AND OBVIOUSLY A METER AND A TEMPORARY SIGNAL WILL NOT DO THAT UNLESS, YOU KNOW, AI GETS INVOLVED.
BUT, UH, THAT WAS PART OF WHAT WE, WHAT WE SAW FROM THAT TEST WAS THAT, THAT ULTIMATELY WE HAD TO INTRODUCE KIND OF SOME HUMAN INTERACTION TO HELP PROMOTE SOME OF THAT.
SO IT WASN'T NECESSARILY WHAT WOULD BE TESTED WITH A METER, BUT AGAIN, WE GOT SOME GOOD DATA OUT OF IT.
PRIMARILY THAT ONCE WE STARTED QUEUING UP SOUTHBOUND, WE DID FREE UP THAT 89 A MOVEMENT ON THAT DAY.
AND WE FOUND THAT FROM THE DATA, THE LABOR DAY WEEKEND, WE SET UP A MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE TEST.
THE, THE METERING, WE HAD SEVEN DIFFERENT CAMERAS OUT THERE TO BOTH GET VIDEO BUT THEN GET TRAFFIC COUNTS AT THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT AT THE BREWER RANGER INTERSECTION, TWO CAMERAS AT THE, THE Y ROUNDABOUT, UM, A GOPRO, UH, CAMERA UP AT UH, FOREST.
UH, AND THEN WE ALSO HAD CAMERAS DOWN THERE AT THE, THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AS WELL.
SO WE GOT TRAFFIC COUNTS AT FOREST.
THE GOPRO IS AT JORDAN, SO WE'LL SEE THAT RIGHT DREW, THAT'S WHY TAYLOR'S HERE TOO.
MAKE SURE EVERYTHING I SAY IS, IS CHECKED IN REAL TIME.
UH, SO 4TH OF JULY, AGAIN, THIS WAS ALREADY PRESENTED AT JULY 10TH, BUT THIS IS JUST SET UP AND, AND SOME, SOME IMAGES FROM THAT DAY.
UH, THESE WERE SOME OF THE FINDINGS OVER 4TH OF JULY WITH THE, THE TRAVEL TIMES AND THE VOLUMES.
I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT THIS SLIDE FOR THE, THE SAKE OF TIME 'CAUSE WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THERE.
SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE FOUND ON FOR THE JULY WEEKEND IN COMPARISON TO, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, A VERY BUSY TIME IN OCTOBER OF 2023, UH, CONGESTION REALLY STARTS TO BUILD, THE REASON WHY WE HAVE A MODEL FROM 10 TO FOUR IS AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MANY TIMES IS CONGESTION STARTS TO BUILD UP NOON ONE AND TWO AND THEN DISSIPATE FROM THREE, THREE TO FOUR.
SO WE KNEW SETTING UP THE METERING AS TRAFFIC WAS BUILDING AT 11 O'CLOCK WOULD ALLOW US TO CUT OFF SOME OF THAT CONGESTION AND, AND START TO, UH, REROUTE TRAFFIC THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT.
AND SO WHAT WE FOUND ON 89 A, AGAIN, WITH THAT BEING THE PRIORITY WAS A SIMILAR TRAFFIC VOLUME, A SIMILAR BUILD THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY SEE ON A PEAK DAY.
THAT PEAK STARTED TO OCCUR, UM, ON 4TH OF JULY WEEKEND.
AND ONCE WE INTRODUCED THE METERING, WE WERE IMMEDIATELY ABLE TO SEE IMPROVED TRAVEL TIMES IN THAT DIRECTION.
UH, SO AGAIN, FROM THE SAKE OF THAT INITIAL TEST, UH, OUR FINDINGS WERE THAT WE DID IMPROVE THAT TRAVEL TIME FOR 89 A NORTHBOUND.
AT THIS TIME YOU SAID NORTHBOUND, BUT BEFORE YOU JUST SAID 89 A AND YOU WEREN'T CLEAR NORTH, EAST OR WEST, BUT NORTHBOUND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THROUGH UPTOWN.
WHEN I SAY NORTHBOUND 89 A AS IT APPROACHES THE Y IT'S IN THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION, BUT IT'S THE NORTH, IT'S 89 NORTHBOUND, 89 A IN TERMS OF 89 A IS NORTH SOUTH.
AND HOW IS THAT AFFECTING WHEN YOU HAVE GRIDLOCK IN UPTOWN GOING NORTH OF UPTOWN AND IT'S JUST INTO THE CANYONS BACKED UP? YOU STILL, NO MATTER WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, IT'S GONNA BE FORCING PROBLEMS BACK TO THE Y AND BELOW OR, UH, WEST.
SO PART OF THIS STUDY THAT WE DID IS WE HAD FOLKS STATIONED AS FAR NORTH AS, UH, THE JORDAN ROUNDABOUT AND THE MIDBLOCK CROSSING.
SO WE STARTED THERE TO SYNC UP THE CLOCKS ESSENTIALLY AND SEE GUMP THE GREEN LIGHTS AND TRY AND MOVE PEOPLE AS EFFICIENTLY THROUGH UPTOWN AS WE POSSIBLY COULD, AND TIME THAT WITH WHEN WE'RE STOPPING SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC AND ALLOWING PEOPLE TO FLOW.
SO THE INTENT IS THAT WE'RE CLEARING THE TRAFFIC GOING INTO UPTOWN, STARTING ALL THE WAY UP AT THE MIDBLOCK CROSSING AND THE METERING IS KIND OF OUR SOUTHBOUND MOST, UM, INITIATIVE AS PART OF THIS.
AND I'M GONNA JUMP JUST TO THAT IN TERMS OF LABOR DAY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE LEARNED AFTER THE, THE 4TH OF JULY TEST WAS THAT REALLY EVERYTHING STARTS IN UPTOWN AND WITH FOREST.
SO HOW WE SET UP THAT NEXT TEST WAS INITIATE NORTHBOUND 89 A THROUGH UPTOWN GREEN TIME AT FOREST, TWO MINUTES OF GREEN AT FOREST, SO WE CAN START TO FREE UP THE DOWNSTREAM QUEUING ALONG 89 A THEN AFTER THAT TWO MINUTES STOP TRAFFIC IN THE SOUTHBOUND DIRECTION TO INITIATE THE EASTBOUND
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89 A OR 89 A NORTH.AS IT APPROACHES THE ROUNDABOUT FREE UP THAT MOVEMENT BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE THE QUEUING CAPACITY THAT IS FROM FOREST TO THE Y RUN THAT UNTIL WE HIT A 200 FEET OF QUEUING IN THE SOUTHBOUND DIRECTION AND THEN GO OUT THERE AND STOP TRAFFIC IN EIGHT ON 89 A IN THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION TO THEN FREE UP 1 79.
SO AFTER THE 4TH OF JULY TEST, WE STARTED TO THEN RECONFIGURE PRIORITIZATIONS TO ALLOW 89 A AS WELL AS 1 79 TO BOTH MOVE INTO UPTOWN.
BUT IT STARTED WITH, YOU KNOW, THE JORDAN CROSSWALK, THE FOREST GREEN, SO WE COULD FREE UP SPACE DOWNSTREAM TO ALLOW THE METERING TO BE SUFFICIENT.
SO THIS IS GOING BACK THEN TO LABOR DAY WEEKEND.
WHAT WE'VE THEN FOUND ON 1 79, WHERE AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING TO, LET'S IMPROVE NORTHBOUND 1 79, UH, SATURDAY, AS WE COMPARE YEAR OVER YEAR, A SATURDAY, UM, LABOR DAY WEEKEND TO A SATURDAY OF THIS YEAR, WE FOUND THAT THE PEAKS WERE BUILDING AS ANTICIPATED.
SO AT STARTING AT 11 O'CLOCK IS WHEN WE STARTED TO BUILD, AND THAT'S WHEN THE METERING STARTED.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO REALLY PICK THAT OFF.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON A SATURDAY IN 2023 WITH NO METERING, THESE PEAKS CONTINUE TO BUILD UNTIL 2:00 PM AS TYPICAL WITH THIS METERING SCENARIO, WE WERE ABLE TO PICK THAT UP RIGHT AT 11 AND WE'RE GETTING, UM, IMPROVE TRAVEL TIMES ON 1 79 UNTIL THE METERING STOPS AT 2:00 PM AND THEN IT BUILDS BACK UP AT FOUR.
SO AGAIN, WHEREAS 1 79 OVER 4TH OF JULY, WE SAW PEAKS AND CONGESTION THAT MATCHED A TYPICAL NON METERED EVENT.
UH, ONCE WE'RE ABLE TO INITIATE THE METERING IN BOTH DIRECTIONS AT THE Y WE WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE, UH, IMPROVED TRAFFIC FLOW ON NORTHBOUND 1 79 AS WELL AS 89 A WITH THE, WITH THE SCENARIO, AGAIN, PRIORITIZING, WE'VE GOTTA GET DOWNSTREAM FIGURED OUT FIRST AS BEST WE CAN AND SYNC UP THE TIMING OF THOSE SIGNALS WITH THE METERING AND THEN EVERYTHING STARTS TO FLOW AS BEST IT CAN DURING, AGAIN, A VERY, VERY PEAK TIME, UH, WEEKEND LABOR DAY.
AND THEN JUST FOR THE SAKE, IF WE WANTED TO COMPARE VOLUMES YEAR OVER YEAR, UM, STILL VERY EQUITABLE TO WHAT WE SEE ON 1 79 20 23, WE HAD 14,000 ON A SATURDAY COMPARED TO 18,000, UH, DAILY TRAFFIC, SUNDAY EQUITABLE, 16 TO 17,000, AND THEN SR 89 A AS WELL.
SO WE WEREN'T SEEING, WE WEREN'T SEEING AN IMPROVED TRAVEL TIME BECAUSE THERE WAS LESS TRAFFIC WE WERE SEEING SIMILAR TRAFFIC AS WOULD BE ANTICIPATED, AND WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, TO GET THEM THROUGH THE CONGESTED Y AS WELL AS THROUGH UPTOWN, UH, WITH THIS, THIS ENHANCED, UH, METERING AND, UH, UH, TRAFFIC SETUP.
UH, SO THE SUNDAY OF 2024 ON HERE.
SO THEN THERE WAS NO METERING GOING ON, OR, OR WAS THERE 'CAUSE THAT'S LIKE LOOKING REALLY UGLY.
WHAT WE BELIEVE OUR FINDINGS FROM THAT DAY WAS THE PEAK HIT MUCH EARLIER THAN TYPICAL.
SO WE DID NOT START OUR METERING UNTIL 11:00 AM AND THE PEAK STARTED TO BUILD BETWEEN NINE AND 10.
AND WHAT WE'VE LEARNED WITH TRAFFIC IS ONCE YOU HIT GRIDLOCK AND CONGESTION, YOU CAN'T METER YOUR WAY OUT OF IT.
YOU CAN'T BYPASS YOUR WAY OUT OF IT.
IN SOME CASES YOU'RE STUCK WITH THAT DAY.
AND SO ON THAT DAY, AND TAYLOR CAN ATTEST TO IT, 'CAUSE I CALLED HER IN THE FIELD, IT WAS LIKE, HEY, SATURDAY WENT GREAT.
HOW'S SUNDAY GOING? SHE'S LIKE, TRAFFIC IS HITTING MUCH QUICKER THAN ANTICIPATED.
AND, AND SOME OF THOSE GO BACK TO MEAN I'LL CUT TO THE END IS IF, IF YOU START TO IMPLEMENT DYNAMIC METERING, YOU COULD ACCOUNT FOR THAT FLUX OF TRAFFIC AT GIVEN TIMES.
BUT IN THIS CASE, BASED ON THE PAST THREE DAYS, THIS WAS DIFFERENT.
SO WE SAW PEAKS BUILD QUICKER AND WE WERE NOT READY TO IMPLEMENT THE METER AT THAT TIME.
AND AT THAT POINT IT WAS, AGAIN, THIS IS A TEST.
SO, AND THAT ONE'S LIKE, OKAY, IT WORKED SATURDAY, IT DIDN'T WORK ON SUNDAY.
WHAT WAS IT? WELL, HERE COMES THE PEAKS RAMPING RIGHT BACK UP EARLIER THAN WE WERE, THAN WE WERE SET UP FOR.
YEAH, I THINK ULTIMATELY WE, WE KNOW THAT THE AUTOMATED SYSTEM WILL, WILL OPERATE BEST AND BE ABLE TO CATCH STUFF.
BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS TESTING, WE'RE DEPLOYING, YOU KNOW, 12 OR 15 PEOPLE, UH, TO RUN THIS.
SO WE'RE WATCHING TRAFFIC VOLUMES INCREASE AS WE'RE GETTING READY TO SEND EVERYONE OUT IN THE FIELD.
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READY TO ADAPT AS AS TRAFFIC'S INCREASE, THEN HOPEFULLY WE CAN, WE CAN MITIGATE THEM AS THEY ARISE.DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COUNSELOR? IT DID.
RIGHT ANDREW? UM, WE NEVER MISSED A CHANCE TO SHOW THE DASHBOARD THAT, UM, IS LIVE AND WE WERE ABLE TO, RIGHT AFTER THE LABOR DAY TEST, WE, WE PULLED SOME DATA ALL THE WAY THROUGH SEPTEMBER.
SO WE COULD USE THE SAME THING TO COMPARE, UH, YEAR OVER YEAR.
SO AGAIN, WE SAW DRASTIC IMPROVEMENTS ON 89 A OVER 4TH OF JULY LABOR DAY.
WE EXPECTED TO SEE LESS 'CAUSE WE WEREN'T PRIORITIZING 89 A AS MUCH AS WE WERE, BUT WE STILL SAW IMPROVEMENTS IN TERMS OF OVERALL TRAVEL TIMES THROUGH THAT CORRIDOR ON SUNDAY, UH, AND SATURDAY.
AND THAT'S EVIDENT IN THE DASHBOARD, UM, IN THIS SLIDE.
AND THEN SIMILAR ON SR 1 79 AS ALREADY MENTIONED IN THAT PETE, UH, OTHER GRAPHIC JUST IS ANOTHER WAY, UH, TO LOOK AT IT.
IMPROVED TRAVEL TIMES ON SATURDAY, BUT SUNDAY AS A RESULT, SUNDAY WAS ABOUT THE SAME AS YOU WOULD SEE.
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE PEAKS BUILT MUCH QUICKER THAN THE, THAN THE METERING.
UM, AND THIS IS ANOTHER GRAPHIC THAT JUST LOOKS AT AGAIN TO THE MAYOR'S EARLIER QUESTION, IS WE STARTED LOOKING AT HOURLY THROUGHPUT AT FOREST, RECOGNIZING THAT THAT IS ALSO THE BOTTLENECK AS WE GET THROUGH UPTOWN AND DURING THE METERING TIMES ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, WE JUST HAD MORE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT WAS ABLE TO GET THROUGH.
SO A LOT OF THE THINGS IS WHEN YOU HAVE A HEAVY CONGESTION PERIOD, IT MAY LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE LESS VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, BUT IT'S SIMPLY THE CARS JUST CAN'T GET THROUGH BECAUSE THEY'RE STUCK DOWN AT BELL ROCK TRYING TO MAKE THEIR WAY THROUGH.
AND SO IN THIS CASE, THIS GRAPHIC ALSO INDICATED THAT WE WERE SEEING MORE TRAFFIC THAT WAS ABLE TO GET THROUGH, UH, THE FOREST ROAD SIGNAL.
AND THEN AFTER THE METERING STOPPED ON SUNDAY, YOU COULD SEE IT LIKE SPIKED BACK UP BECAUSE WE WERE HAVING LATER TRAFFIC STILL COMING THROUGH ON THAT DAY.
WHEREAS IN BLUE, UH, ON THAT DAY, TRAFFIC STARTED TO DISSIPATE.
NOW THAT COULD HAVE BEEN LESS.
CARS ARE COMING THROUGH AS TYPICAL, UM, WHICH IS WHAT WE ANTICIPATE WITH THAT, THAT TYPICAL CURVE THAT WE SEE, UM, WITH MOST OF THE TRAFFIC DATA FOR HERE.
SO, AND THEN THIS ONE IS A VISUAL OF THE, THE CAMERAS WE HAD SET UP.
SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS HERE WHERE WE'RE SHOWING THE GRAPHICS, BUT THESE WILL SHOW SIMULTANEOUSLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH TRAFFIC.
SO WE HAVE THE CAMERA SET UP AT JORDAN, THE CAMERA SET UP AT FOREST.
THIS IS THE CAMERA SET UP DOWN AT THE 1 79 AT GRADE CROSSING.
AND SO THIS IS A FIVE MINUTE VIDEO AT NOON DURING METERING.
AND SO WHAT WE'LL SEE AS WE START TO PLAY IS THAT IT'S PRETTY CONTINUOUS IN TERMS OF, OF TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH HERE AND WHAT IS IS GONNA BE A LITTLE CHALLENGING TO SEE.
BUT THIS ALSO SHOWS THE, THE PERIOD IN WHICH RIGHT NOW FOREST IS GREEN TO ALLOW CARS TO GET THROUGH.
ABOUT THREE MINUTES INTO THE VIDEO YOU'LL SEE TRAFFIC IN THE SOUTHBOUND DIRECTION APPROACHING, APPROACHING THE Y NO LONGER SHOW UP ON THE SCREEN HERE.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'VE ACTUALLY STARTED THE METERING AND THE SIGNAL AT THAT LOCATION.
AND THEN TOWARDS THE END OF THE VIDEO WE WILL ACTUALLY, AND THERE'S TAYLOR AND GREG, SEE TAYLOR'S OUT THERE EVERY DAY.
WE PUT THIS ON HERE JUST FOR THE CAMEO APPEARANCE.
I DIDN'T SEE YOU OUT THERE THOUGH.
I WAS ON THE ROOF, WHICH WAS MY FAVORITE PART.
SO I JUST STAYED ON THE ROOF UNTIL I GOT TO BE 130 UP THERE AND I WAS SEEING IF ANYONE WOULD THROW ME PIZZA.
UM, SO I'M GONNA SKIP AHEAD A LITTLE BIT HERE AGAIN, AS, AS YOU WATCH THIS, AND THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE, BUT YOU WILL SEE DURING METERING WE DO HAVE CONTINUOUS FLOW OF TRAFFIC BASED ON HOW THIS, UH, THIS PARTICULAR VIEW FROM, FROM 12 TO ABOUT 1206.
AND HERE IS WHERE, I'M JUST GONNA HEAD TOWARDS THE END RIGHT HERE.
SO RIGHT HERE WE CLEAR THE REST OF THESE VEHICLES HERE AND AT THIS POINT IS WHERE THE METERING HAS STARTED.
SO NOW WE HAVE STOPPED TRAFFIC IN THE SOUTHBOUND DIRECTION AND YOU CAN SEE NOW WE'RE GETTING CARS THAT ARE, THIS IS CLEARING UP FOR 89 A TO GO THROUGH.
AND THEN EVENTUALLY YOU'LL SEE IT'S TOUGH TO SEE AGAIN 'CAUSE THESE CAMERAS WERE SET UP FOR COUNTS, NOT NECESSARILY FOR VISUAL OTHER THAN THE GOPRO UP HERE.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE RIGHT HERE, HERE COMES THE OFFICER OUT TO NOW STOP TRAFFIC IN THIS
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DIRECTION.ONE THING TO NOTE AT THIS POINT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN CHIEF FOLEY OUT HERE, PROBABLY WAS, BUT AGAIN, TO TO REFINE THE TEST IS TRAFFIC THAT IS IN, IN THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION GOING SOUTH ON 1 79 IS NOT GOING IMPACT TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO WHAT, UH, THE OFFICER WAS DOING HERE WAS ACTUALLY ALLOWING THOSE IN THE OUTSIDE LANE TO CONTINUE THROUGH.
AND THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE TO THE NEXT ONE LAST THING I WANNA NOTE ON HERE, JUST FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT, AS IT RELATES TO THE CROSSING, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS INDICATED IN THE REPORT AND, BUT IF WE HAVE FREE FLOW, UH, QUOTE UNQUOTE FREE FLOW TRAFFIC THROUGH HERE, THE BOTTLENECK WILL THEN BECOME PEDESTRIANS CROSSING AT GRADE.
SO THE MAJORITY OF THIS VIDEO, YOU CAN SEE TRAFFIC CONTINUES ALONG 1 79 THROUGH HERE, BUT OBVIOUSLY EVENTUALLY PEDESTRIANS BUILD AND TCAS ARE GONNA HAVE TO, TO LET THEM CROSS.
AND SO EVENTUALLY THAT HAPPENS.
AND WHEN THAT'S HAPPENING, I BELIEVE AT THIS POINT WE SHOULD SEE A CAR COME IN AT SOME POINT.
AND I WAS WRONG BECAUSE I DIDN'T WATCH THIS VIDEO ENOUGH, SO I LET HIM THROUGH.
SO, UM, WHAT WE DO SEE HERE IS EVENTUALLY AS CARS AT AS PETS CROSS CARS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE FREE FLOW THROUGH HAVE TO STOP.
UM, AND THAT'S IN THE METERING SCENARIO.
SO THIS NEXT VIDEO IS AT FOUR O'CLOCK, AS YOU SAW IN THE FOREST GRAPHIC AT FOUR O'CLOCK WE HAD, UH, A SPIKE IN TRAFFIC.
THIS IS, THIS IS NO METERING, SO YOU CAN ALREADY SEE AT THE Y MM-HMM
AND THAT'S, I MEAN, WE HAVE GRIDLOCK WITHIN THE Y ITSELF NOT ALLOWING THIS THROUGH.
CARS ARE ALREADY STOPPED IN THIS DIRECTION SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GET PEDESTRIANS THROUGH BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE GAPS BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T ACTUALLY GET THROUGH.
AS I SCROLL FORWARD, YOU CAN STILL SEE THE Y IS THE BOTTLENECK AND AT SOME POINT WE JUST START TO SEE CARS IS THAT ARE JUST STOPPED WITHOUT PEDESTRIANS CROSSING BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO GO.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY THE GRAPHICS AND THE, THE DATA THAT WE SHOW, BUT THERE'S, THEN THERE'S PROOF IN THE VIDEOS TO SEE WHAT EXACTLY IS HAPPENING OUT HERE IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF THIS, OF THIS CONGESTION.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING I'LL NOTE IS WE WENT AHEAD AND TRACKED A COUPLE OF PILOT CARS WITH METERING AND WITHOUT METERING.
UH, SO THIS, THIS SUV WITH TRAILER, UH, WE PICKED UP WITH METERING CROSSING THE AT GRADE CROSSING ON 1 79 AT ABOUT 1201.
AND THEN THEY GOT THROUGH THE JORDAN ROUNDABOUT AT 1205.
SO YOU KNOW, A LITTLE OVER FOUR MINUTES TO GET THAT DURATION WITHOUT METERING.
AT FOUR O'CLOCK WE, WITH THIS TRANSIT VAN AT FOUR O'CLOCK CROSSING AND BY 4 0 5 THEY WERE JUST MAKING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE Y SO THEY GOT ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THE CORRIDOR THAT WE WERE TESTING SIMPLY METERING VERSUS NOT METERING FOR THAT GIVEN DAY.
AND WE'VE GOT HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS OF DATA TO COME THROUGH.
THIS WAS JUST A A GOOD EXAMPLE TO SHOW IN COMPARISON WITH THE, WITH THE GRAPHICS THAT WE HAD.
SO WHAT WE ALSO DID OVER LABOR DAY WAS WE, WE COUNTED PEDESTRIANS, UM, SPECIFICALLY AT THE CROSSING.
AND TAYLOR'S GONNA HELP ME OUT WITH THIS ONE.
'CAUSE THIS ONE, THIS SLIDE STARTS TO GET ME CONFUSED, BUT IN GENERAL, WE COUNTED TOTAL PADS ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
SUNDAY WE CLOSED THE AT GRADE CROSSING AND HAD THEM UTILIZE THE BLOW GRADE CROSSING FROM 10 45 TO TWO 15.
SO WE PICKED, WE HAVE A TOTAL PEDESTRIAN COUNT FROM 10:00 AM TO 10 P 10:00 PM UH, BUT WE ACTUALLY COUNTED EACH DAY AND, AND PULLED THE DATA FOR 10 45 TO TWO 15 ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY AND LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF THE PERCENTAGE OF PEDESTRIANS THAT CONTINUED, UM, ALONG 1 79 OR THOSE THAT CROSSED SOUTH TO NORTH.
UH, SO THE CROSSING PERCENTAGE DURING THE METERING TIME ON SATURDAY WITH THAT GRADE CROSSING AVAILABLE, WE SAW 72% THAT WERE CROSSING 1 79 FROM THE NORTH COMPARED TO FROM 10 45 TO 15, WE SAW ABOUT 70%.
UM, IN TERMS OF CROSSING DURING THAT PEAK TIME,
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YOU COULD, AGAIN, IT'S JUST A SNAPSHOT IN TIME, BUT YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, WELL, 10 45, 2 15 IS PEAK TIME.SO POTENTIALLY NOT A LOT OF PEDESTRIANS WANT TO CROSS 1 79.
THEY'RE CONTINUING ALONG 1 79 AND NOT CROSSING.
UM, ALSO SIMILAR, SIMILAR SPLIT IN TERMS OF THE CROSSING FROM, UH, SOUTH TO NORTH 82% AS COMPARED TO 83% ON SUNDAY.
WE SAW, ONE THING TO NOTE IS JUST A SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED VOLUME OF PEDESTRIANS ON SUNDAY 1900 COMPARED TO 2,700 IN A TOTAL DAY.
SO A MASSIVE INCREASE CROSSINGS WENT FROM UM, 1300 TO 1500.
SO MORE PEDESTRIANS CROSSING IN TERMS OF VOLUME, BUT A DIFFERENCE IN PERCENTAGE SPLIT.
UM, 56% CROSSING OVERALL THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
AND 45, UH, 46% THAT WERE CROSSING AND USING, UH, THE OAK CREEK UNDERPASS.
AND THEN SIMILAR SOUTH TO NORTH IT WENT FROM 83% TO 87%.
SO VERY SIMILAR IN ALL LEGS, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE 56 TO 45%.
UH, THE ONE THING THAT I'LL NOTE, WE'LL NOTE ON THIS AGAIN, IS THIS IS JUST ONE DAY, BUT ONE THING TO NOTE IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF INCREASED PEDESTRIANS ON THAT SUNDAY, BUT STILL APPROACHING 50% THAT WERE STILL CROSSING 1 79 WHEN THAT GRADE WAS CLOSED.
SAYING THAT WE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN, UM, NOBODY WAS CROSSING BECAUSE EITHER THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE BELOW GRADE WAS THERE OR THEY SIMPLY DIDN'T WANNA DEAL WITH IT 'CAUSE IT WASN'T CLOSE.
SO STILL EQUITABLE IN TERMS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE CROSSING, WHETHER YOU HAVE THE AT GRADE OPTION OR THE, OR THE BELOW GRADE OPTION.
SO WERE THEY, WERE THERE TCAS THERE? YES.
AND DID THE TCAS GUIDE PEOPLE? I MEAN, DID THEY SAY YOU CAN'T CROSS 1 79? YES.
AND PEOPLE IGNORED THEM AND THEY CROSSED, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, THIS IS, SO THE, ON SUNDAY, THAT CROSSING IS THE COUNT THAT WE GATHERED IN THE UNDERPASS, IN THE UNDERPASS CROSSING.
SO WE HAD A CAMERA DOWN IN THE UNDERPASS THAT WAS CAPTURING BOTH DIRECTIONS.
THE TCAS WERE MORE SO THERE TO ALERT PEOPLE 'CAUSE THERE WAS STILL FENCING UP AND SAY, THIS IS WHERE YOU, THIS IS WHERE YOU GO.
AND LIKE ANDREW SAID, AND WE'VE SEEN WITH VEHICLE VOLUMES, TRAFFIC'S TRAFFIC VARIES DAY TO DAY, HOUR TO HOUR.
YOU KNOW, THIS LABOR DAY IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM THE PREVIOUS LABOR DAY AND IT'S DEPENDENT ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS, WEATHER AND PEOPLE'S MOODS THAT DAY.
UH, SO YEAH, WE JUST WANT TO SEND THIS WITH A CAVEAT IS THIS IS ONE ONE DAY EACH OF OF DATA, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE VOLUMES WERE, WERE VERY DIFFERENT.
SO KIND OF TAKING WITH A GRAIN OF SALT AS WE COLLECT MORE DATA.
A NEW, A NEW ROUTE, NEW CROSSING FOR, AS WE'VE KNOWN FROM THE VISITOR DATA, WE'RE HAVING UNIQUE 50% UNIQUE VISITORS.
SO THEY'RE COMING AND EXPECTING THAT GREAT CROSSING AND BEING REDIRECTED.
SO I THINK ONE THING YOU CAN GLEAN FROM THAT IS ONCE THERE'S ADDITIONAL WAY FINDING OUT THERE, IT'S A CROSSING THAT'S BEEN AVAILABLE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, YOU WOULD SEE MORE AND MORE USAGE OUT OF IT.
SO MY READ ON IT WAS THIS WAS, THIS WAS POSITIVE NEWS THAT YOU WERE STILL SEEING EQUITABLE NUMBER OF PEOPLE CROSSING 1 79 EVEN WHEN THE MORE DIRECT AT GRAY CROSSING WAS, WAS TAKEN OFFLINE.
SO PEOPLE, IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY THAT.
SO PEOPLE DIDN'T, PEOPLE STILL WENT ACROSS TO, TO LAAK NORTH, THEY DIDN'T ABANDON IT.
SO VIA THE UNDERPASS, RIGHT? YES.
SO THAT WAS THE MAIN POINT THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET AT WITH THIS DATA HERE.
UM, THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, ANDREW DID KIND OF POINTED OUT, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT AFTER THIS TEST WE LATER ADDED ADDITIONAL WAY FINDING SIGNAGE AND INFORMATION WHERE IF A PERSON MIGHT BYPASS A TCA, THERE'S STILL SIGNAGE TO SAY YOU CAN CROSS HERE.
SO WE DIDN'T DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN PLACE WHEN WE COLLECTED THIS DATA, BUT WE DID STILL SEE THAT THERE WAS A GOOD NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT WERE STILL USING THE, UH, UNDERPASS.
AND, AND KEEP IN MIND THERE'S STILL ANOTHER CROSSING AT SNE HILL AND WE WERE MONITORING THAT VISUALLY AND THAT WE DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE EVEN USING THAT.
SO EVEN IF THEY WALKED PAST, THEY WERE AT ANOTHER PLACE TO GO.
SO, AND SINCE IT'S UH, SEVEN 15, WE WANTED TO END WITH THE, THE MOST COMPLICATED SLIDE TO VIEW, AND THAT'S, TAYLOR'S GONNA TALK THROUGH THIS ONE.
THIS IS FIVE MINUTE VOLUME BUCKETS ACROSS, UH, THE ENTIRE THREE DAYS THAT WE WERE OUT
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THERE OVER LABOR DAY BECAUSE THE METERING SIMULATIONS HAPPENED IN FIVE MINUTE INCREMENTS.WE WOULD RUN THE TRIAL ONCE, WAIT FIVE MINUTES, START AGAIN.
WE USED THE FIVE MINUTE BUCKETS TO TRY AND CAPTURE THAT.
SO YOU CAN SEE DURING THE METERING PERIOD IN THAT CIRCLE THAT THERE ARE CONSISTENT PEAKS AND VALLEYS THAT WE THINK CORRELATE WITH WHEN WE WERE RUNNING.
THE METERING IS A SIGNIFICANTLY MORE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE OR ARE TRAVELING THROUGH ON BOTH DAYS.
UH, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE AFTER THE METERING, THERE'S A, A NON-SIGNIFICANT DROP IN VOLUME.
SO ACROSS A FIVE MINUTE PERIOD, WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE 10 TO 20 CARS LESS, UM, PER FIVE MINUTES THAT WE'RE GETTING THROUGH AS WELL.
PART OF THIS WITH COMPARISON, WE, WE PULLED 15 MINUTE BUCKETS OVER 4TH OF JULY, BUT LOOKED AT REALIZING THAT WE WERE RUNNING THROUGH ALMOST FIVE MINUTE CYCLES OF METERING.
THEN WE SAID, WELL, IF WE PULL FIVE MINUTE BUCKETS, WE CAN START TO EQUATE AND SEE THE PEAKS AND VALLEYS EQUATED TO IT.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN DIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, AGAIN, SPECIFIC WINDOWS OF THE METERING OCCURRED AND WHAT'S THIS DOING IN TERMS OF VOLUMES THROUGH, AND, AND WE DID SEE A CORRELATION IN THIS GRAPHIC.
I I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION IN ORDER TO PUT METERING IN.
DO WE NEED A DOT'S PERMISSION? YES.
UH, AND THEN JUST A SUMMARY OF OUR FINDINGS IS WHAT WE DID FIND WAS THE METERING PROCESS AT THE Y IMPROVES TRAVEL TIME, BUT THAT IS DEPENDENT ON DOWNSTREAM CAPACITY.
AGAIN, THAT WAS EVIDENT IN THE EXPANDED TEST OVER LABOR DAY, PRIORITIZING THE FOREST GREEN TO CLEAR THAT QUEUE, UH, CLOSURE OF THE SOUTHERN SHOPPING CENTER.
PEDESTRIAN CROSSING DID NOT SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER PEDESTRIAN VOLUMES.
AGAIN, IS THE, THE TABLE THAT WE HAD SHOWED PREVIOUS SLIDE.
UM, AND, AND WHAT I, WHAT I TRIED TO SHOW IN IN THE VIDEO IS THAT AS WE START TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND TRAFFIC FLOW, THAT CONFLICT WILL BE EXACERBATED AT GRADE.
PEDESTRIAN CONFLICT WILL BE BECOME THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF CONGESTION AS WE START TO FREE UP WITH METERING AND, AND DOWNSTREAM CONGESTION.
AND I GO BACK TO SIM ONE, THE NUMBER ONE THING WE SAW IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC CONGESTION WAS PEDESTRIAN CONFLICT WITH JAYWALKING AND CROSSING AT GRADE.
AND SO AS WE START TO IMPLEMENT IMPROVEMENTS AND START TO REDUCE AND OR ELIMINATE THAT PEDESTRIAN CONFLICT, THAT WILL WILL IMPROVE SAFETY OBVIOUSLY, BUT ALSO IMPROVE, IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW.
AND THAT'LL BE EVIDENT WHEN, IF AND WHEN A METERING SCENARIO IS PERMANENTLY INSTALLED AS WELL AS, AS, AS SEQUENCED WITH THE, THE FOREST SIGNAL AND OTHER DOWNSTREAM, UM, IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, ONE THING I REALLY, I DIDN'T TOUCH ON, BUT I I THINK IT'S EVIDENT IS VEHICLES ARE UTILIZING BREWER ROAD, UH, WHEN COOKS HILL IS CONGESTED.
AND, AND WE KNOW THAT, AND THAT'S SOME OF THE, THE SIM PROJECTS WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, AND WE'LL BE PRESENTING THAT AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING IN TERMS OF, OF THE STATUS OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT SOME OF THOSE ARE TO PROVIDE ALTERNATIVES DURING PEAK CONGESTION AS WELL AS CONNECTIONS TO OTHER CITY INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, BUT OUR, OUR COUNTS PROVE THAT, THAT ONCE COOKS HILL STARTS TO BACK UP, PEOPLE ARE USING BREWER AS A BYPASS AND THE CAMERAS ARE ABLE TO PICK THAT UP.
TALKED ABOUT ALREADY, BUT WE SAW INTENSE VOLUMES ON SUNDAY AT 9:00 AM AND THAT, AND THAT HINDERED THE IMPACTS OF THE METERING AND DYNAMIC AUTOMATED METERING, UH, WILL CERTAINLY HELP THAT.
AND IF YOU INSTALL PERMANENT METERING THAT'S DYNAMIC, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ACCOUNT FOR THE EBBS AND FLOWS DURING THE DAY AS WELL AS DURING, UH, PEAK SEASONS.
SO ANDREW, YOU'VE MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES DURING THIS PRESENTATION TALKING ABOUT DOWNSTREAM CAPACITY AND THE FACT THAT, UH, ULTIMATELY THIS WILL HIGHLIGHT PEDESTRIAN AT GRADE CROSSINGS AS A PRIMARY CONFLICT POINT.
SO IT, YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S SORT OF A CHICKEN AND EGG THING GOING ON THERE, BUT, BUT IS THERE REALLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN UPTOWN WHERE YOU'VE GOT A, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY YOU'VE GOT ON DEMAND CROSSING AT FOREST ROAD AT JORDAN, AND THEN ALL THE WAY UP AT WAYSIDE, RIGHT? UM, AND ANDY, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY, RIGHT? SIM TWO BASICALLY SAYS, HEY, WE NEED TO GET OVERHEAD, RIGHT? PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, RIGHT? I MEAN, IS IT TIME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, AND I REALIZE THAT'S FOR NOVEMBER 13TH MORE THAN IT IS TODAY, BUT ON NOVEMBER 13TH, DO WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT SIM TWO AND, AND RATCHETING THAT UP ON THE PRIORITY LIST? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANDY IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I I DO HAVE A THOUGHT I CAN JUMP IN THERE FIRST IF YOU WANT.
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EVERY OTHER PROJECT, UM, THE DOWNSTREAM ISSUES ARE GONNA BE MOST IMPORTANT TO SOLVE BEFORE, UH, SOME OF THESE CROSSINGS BECOME HIGHLIGHTED.NOW DOWNSTREAM OF THE Y WOULD BE UPTOWN.
SO WHEN WE MADE IMPROVEMENTS AT, UH, YOU KNOW, AT FOREST AS WHERE AS, AS WELL AS, UH, AMARA LANE THAT WAS HELPING WITH THAT DOWNSTREAM FLOW, I GUESS THE QUESTION I, I'M A LITTLE BIT THINKING THIS THROUGH, SO BEAR WITH ME.
UM, THE QUESTION BECOMES WHEN IS IT IMPERATIVE TO GO TO THAT EXTENT? BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR SIMULATIONS, WE WERE ACTUALLY CONTROLLING THE JORDAN CROSSWALK AS WELL AS THE, UH, FOREST CROSSWALK AND THE MIDBLOCK CROSSWALK, RIGHT? SO WE'VE MADE IMPROVEMENTS OVER TIME THAT HAVE ALLOWED US TO CONTROL THOSE, THOSE MOVEMENTS.
IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE SAME THING WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE WITH THESE SIMULATIONS VERSUS HAVING A OVERCROSSING STRUCTURE BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING THAT FRICTION SOURCE COMPLETELY AWAY FROM THAT SOURCE OR THAT POINT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE PLATOONING PS AT THE, AT THE EDGE OF A CROSSWALK, OF COURSE THERE'S STILL SOME LEVEL OF FRICTION THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE IMPACTFUL AT THAT POINT.
SO I GUESS IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, I THINK I'M THINKING BACK TO MANY YEARS AGO NOW ABOUT WHY WAS EM TWO A LOWER PRIORITY COMPARED TO SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS.
AND I THINK IT'S THE SAME REASON WHY WE CHOSE TO NOT BUILD AN OVERCROSSING STRUCTURE AT ADJACENT TO OAK CREEK.
THE VIEW SHED IMPACT IS QUITE A CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE THAT WE WILL NEED TO OVERCOME.
AND, UH, AT THE SAME TIME, SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE DOWNSTREAM ARE JUST AS IMPACTFUL AND HELPFUL TO RELIEVE CONGESTION LIKE THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION.
UM, THE WHOLE FOREST BREWER RANGER CORRIDOR IS GONNA BE ALSO HUGELY IMPACTFUL.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROJECTS THAT'S GONNA BE HELPFUL IS THE PORTAL EXTENSION, WHICH WE'RE EXCITED.
WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT TO SAY ABOUT THAT HERE IN A MINUTE.
BUT, UM, ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE VERY HELPFUL.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO START LOOKING AT THAT.
SORRY IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO COME TO THAT SIMPLE ANSWER.
I'LL, I'LL RESPOND IN IN DISCUSSION TIME HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.
AND ONE MORE THING TO ADD TO THAT.
I THINK NOW THAT THE OAK CREEK CROSSING WILL BE OPEN, THERE'LL BE PROOF AND CONCEPT THERE.
AND IF YOU SEE MORE USAGE THERE, ULTIMATELY IF A WARRANT ANALYSIS OCCURS, WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THE ACT GRADE CROSSING, IF YOU START TO USE THAT AS A TEMPLATE FOR PEOPLE ARE UTILIZING IT, THAT COULD SET THE STAGE FOR LOOKING AT FUTURE AT OR AT ABOVE GRADE CROSSINGS IN UPTOWN.
SO I THINK THAT NEEDS THE, THE USAGE OF THE OAK CREEK PED CROSSING NEEDS TO BE, UH, UH, IT NEEDS SOME TIME TO, TO SEE HOW UTILIZED IT IS.
AND THEN TO ANDY'S POINT, I THINK THE TWO BIGGEST ONES, THE FOREST, UH, CONNECTION AND THEN THE GARAGE, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE PULLING TRAFFIC THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE DRIVING NORTHBOUND THROUGH UPTOWN WILL USE FOREST TO GO TO THE GARAGE.
WE'LL BE PULLING VEHICLES OUT OF THERE AND THEN WE MAY SEE A DIFFERENCE IN, IN THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING THROUGH UPTOWN.
AND THEN THAT CONFLICT WITH PEDESTRIANS MAY NOT BE AS, AS EXTREME AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
SO ONCE THOSE PROJECTS ARE COMPLETE, ALONG WITH A SIX TO NINE MONTH PERIOD OF THE OAK CREEK BRIDGE, WE WOULD BE ABLE, OR PET CROSSING, WE'LL HAVE SIGNIFICANT DATA TO SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT SHOULD BE NEXT ON THE PRIORITIES IN TERMS OF, OF PET CROSSINGS AT UPTOWN.
SO ANDREW, SOMETHING THAT I NOTICED, AND WE TALKED TO ANDREW AND NUT TODAY WITH THE GRAY UPGRADE CROSSING CLOSED, PEOPLE GOING DOWN BELOW TO THE, UH, CREEKSIDE CARS DRIVING NORTH AND SOUTH ON 1 79, APPROACHING THE INTERSECTION OF THE, UH, CROSSING SLOW DOWN ALMOST TO A STOP BECAUSE THEY SEE A CROSSWALK NOT KNOWING THAT IT'S CLOSED.
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UH, TESTING TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT OF IT'S SLOWING DOWN OR CAUSING ITS OWN ISSUES BECAUSE OF PEOPLE'S INSTINCT OF RIGHT CROSSWALK CLOSED? YOU KNOW, WHETHER, DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CLOSED OR OPEN.I DON'T WANNA HIT ANYBODY 'CAUSE SOMEBODY MAY DODGE OUT.
RIGHT? I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE SAME SIMILAR THINGS THAT WE SAW WHEN PD WAS HELPING FACILITATE IN THE ROUNDABOUT IS HUMAN BEHAVIOR WILL ONLY CHANGE OVER TIME.
SO THE RESULTS MAY VARY SLIGHTLY AS AS HUMAN BEHAVIOR ADAPTS, BUT ON PRINCIPLE IT DID IMPROVE THE, THE THROUGHPUT.
AND, AND NORTHBOUND IT IMPROVED UNTIL IT BACKED UP FROM UPTOWN AND THEN IT WORKED ITS WAY DOWN.
BUT I SAW SATURDAY OR SUNDAY WAS CLOSED, THE CROSSING WAS CLOSED AND PEOPLE WERE ALMOST CAME TO A STOP AS THEY'RE APPROACHING THE CROSSWALK JUST EXPECTING TO PASS.
'CAUSE THEY DON KNOW RIGHT? THEY, THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THE CROSSWALK IS CLOSED.
THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE CROSSWALK IS CLOSED.
AND THAT'S AS WE'RE CONTINUING TO GET TRAVEL TIMES DAILY, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE TESTED.
'CAUSE THAT'S CERTAINLY IS IF YOU'RE SLOWING DOWN EVERY CAR THAT SLOWS DOWN, WE KNOW IT'S JUST GONNA BUILD AND BUILD AND BUILD.
NEXT THING, YOU KNOW, CONGESTION'S BUILT UP UNNECESSARILY.
SO YEAH, WITH SOME ADVANCED SIGNAGE OR, OR, OR TEMPORARY, UH, TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURES JUST TO PROMOTE, LIKE PROCEED THROUGH CROSSWALK CLOSE.
WE MAY SEE AN IMPROVED TRAVEL TIME JUST FROM THAT.
AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD ADD TO THE ANALYSIS, BUT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU SAW IT IN YOUR, IN YOUR MODELING AT ALL, IF YOU EVEN NOTICED THAT THAT WAS HAPPENING.
NO, NOT THAT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY TESTED IN THE MODEL.
BUT AS TO TAYLOR'S POINT AS YOU DO, AND IT'S, IT'S A GOOD THING, RIGHT? LIKE
SO YOU HOPE A VEHICLE SLOWS DOWN AS THEY APPROACH A CROSSWALK.
BUT IF YOU WANNA MODEL THAT CROSSWALKS GONE, UM, THEN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU, YOU COULD INCORPORATE.
BUT NO, WE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY TEST THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MELISSA? YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE ONE.
SO I'M JUST, THIS CONVERSATION HAS BECOME A LITTLE CONFUSING TO ME BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS AT SOME POINT IF ALL THINGS ALIGN MAGICALLY AND IT IS SEDONA, SO THEY SHOULD
SO IF YOU ARE SEEING THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR, YOU WOULDN'T SEE THAT BEHAVIOR ANYMORE SHOULD THAT CROSSING GO AWAY.
AND SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE JUST AWARE OF THE FACT THAT IF WE CHANGE THE PEDESTRIAN BEHAVIOR, UM, EFFICIENTLY, THEN WE WOULD ALSO REMOVE THOSE VISUAL SIGNS TO, UM, DRIVERS AND WE WOULD BE CHANGING THE DRIVING BEHAVIOR AS WELL.
SO I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO EXTEND THAT OUT.
I REALIZE THAT'S A LONG WAY IN THE FUTURE AND, AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
WELL, I MIGHT, I MIGHT OFFER THAT I, WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT WAYS TO FURTHER TEST THIS AREA AND, UM, I I THINK THERE'S STILL A LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR BENEFIT THAT WE CAN GAIN EVEN BEFORE WE ARE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE INFORMATION THAT ADOT WOULD NEED TO SHOW THEM THAT THE AGGREGATE CROSSING MIGHT NEED TO BE CLOSED.
JUST ONE QUICK EXAMPLE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CROSSWALK, UH, STRIPING THE PAVEMENT MARKINGS FOR THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE TEMPORARILY BLACKED OUT, RIGHT? MM-HMM,
SO IF, IF WE'RE CLOSING IT PERIODICALLY TO TEST, YOU KNOW, ONE THOUGHT WAS, DO WE PUT UP A, A DIGITAL SIGN THAT SAYS CROSSWALK CLOSED OR DO YOU JUST FULLY BLOCK IT OUT BECAUSE THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY PEDESTRIANS THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? SO THAT, THAT'S JUST WHERE MY MIND GOES.
THERE'S STILL A LOT, EVERY TIME WE RUN A TEST, WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GAIN INFORMATION ON HOW WE CAN MORE EFFECTIVELY UTILIZE THE UNDER CROSSING AND HOW WE CAN RESTRICT THE AT GRADE CROSSING.
BUT IT'S STILL POSSIBLE THAT THROUGH ALL THAT TESTING, IT MAY, IT MAY BE A WHILE BEFORE IT'S SHOWN THAT A FULL CLOSURE IS NECESSARY, I GUESS WOULD BE MY POINT.
AND THEN IF IT'S A FULL CLOSURE, DO THE LINES GO AWAY? OR IF IT'S A PARTIAL CLOSURE, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT? BUT YOU'LL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT WHEN THE TIME COMES.
RIGHT? THAT'LL BE ALL PART OF, LIKE KURT WAS SAYING EARLIER, WE'RE, WE'RE COORDINATING WITH ADOT AND A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING TO TEST, WE'LL BE RUNNING PAST ADOT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ON BOARD WITH IT.
JUST ANOTHER COUPLE SMALL QUESTIONS.
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SO THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE ONE OF THE ASKS I WAS GONNA MAKE WAS, CAN WE JUST BLOCK OUT THE CROSS WHEN WE CLOSE IT, CAN WE JUST BLOCK OUT THE STRIPES, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE ACTUAL BEHAVIOR THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO, TO GET TO.
WHEREAS A DIGITAL SIGN, YOU'RE EXPECTING ME TO MOVE AT SPEED AND READ IT AND INTERPRET IT AND I'M, YEAH, YOU JUST CREATED ANOTHER ROUNDABOUT FOR ME MENTALLY.
SO, UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, AND I'M, I'M ASSUMING WE'LL HEAR ABOUT THIS WITH THE SIM UPDATE.
SO WE'RE GONNA START TO TALK ABOUT OVER OVERPASSES, UM, FOR PEDESTRIANS THAT I SEEM TO REMEMBER YOU SAYING MANY MOONS AGO THAT IN ORDER TO DO THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE UP A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SPACE ON BOTH SIDES.
BECAUSE TO BE 80 A COMPLIANT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BASICALLY PUT IN AN, UH, AN ELEVATOR OR A LIFT OF SOME KIND TO GET PEOPLE WHO, WHO WOULD NEED THAT ASSIST UP TO THE TOP IN ORDER TO WALK OVER IT.
AND THAT THAT'S GONNA BE PRETTY TALL BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TRUCKS THAT GO THROUGH THERE.
SO IT'S NOT EVEN CAR LEVEL OR VAN LEVEL, IT'S RIGHT TRUCK HEIGHT.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA SPEAK MORE ABOUT THIS, I WOULD JUST ASSUME IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE WHAT THAT THINKING WOULD BE AROUND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY A COST IMPACT, IT'S ALSO A VISUAL IMPACT, RIGHT.
FOR OUR UPTOWN DRIVE, LET ALONE THE RED ROCKS.
SO I, I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
ANDY, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
I'M LOOKING AT THE LANGUAGE OF THE ADOT, SEDONA AK, UM, THE LANGUAGE OF THAT AGREEMENT AND THE TESTING, I, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE PERIOD OF TESTING BECAUSE THERE'S REFERENCES TO, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIED 24 HOUR PERIODS, TWO WEEKENDS, ONE A WEEK, AND THEN THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE TESTING PERIOD? BECAUSE I, I KNOW IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO GATHER THIS INFORMATION FOR ADOT UNDER THE TERMS OF THE PERMIT.
BUT WHEN, WHEN, WHEN IS ENOUGH TESTING, WHEN DOES THE TESTING PERIOD END? WHEN WOULD WE BE, WHEN DOES THIS MOVE FORWARD? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR INTENT IS AS WE MOVE FORWARD THAT WE, WE GAIN AS MUCH DATA AND TESTING AS WE CAN TO HELP INFORM, LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, WHAT WE'RE, PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS DETERMINE HOW WE CAN BEST UTILIZE THE UNDER CROSSING, UH, RESTRICT THE AT GRADE CROSSING, AS WELL AS HOW TO CONTROL THE Y AND ADJACENT INTERSECTIONS.
SO WE, WE WANT TO DO THAT OFTEN, AS OFTEN AS WE FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CONGESTION EVENTS REQUIRE IT.
BUT MORE TO YOUR POINT, UM, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO, THE INTENT OF THE AGREEMENT WITH ADOT IS TO START THE TESTING RIGHT AWAY.
ULTIMATELY, WHAT THAT LEADS TO IS, IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT THIS IN THE, IN THE AGREEMENT IS CONDUCTING A A WARRANT ANALYSIS.
WHAT THAT IS, IS IT'S THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH TO SHOW THAT A CROSSING IS NECESSARY.
ADO T'S POINT WITH THAT WAS IF YOU HAVE TWO CROSSINGS TO GO FROM ONE PLACE TO THE OTHER, THE SAME TWO PLACES, THEN WHY WOULD YOU NEED TWO CROSSINGS? MM-HMM.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'LL BE TESTING.
KIM KIMLEY HORN STARTED THAT WARRANT ANALYSIS, I DON'T KNOW, A YEAR AGO, THREE YEARS AGO.
WAS IT THAT LONG? OH MY GOODNESS.
SO WE DID A WARRANT ANALYSIS AT ONE POINT TO SHOW ADOT THAT THE AG GRADE CROSSING WAS NEEDED THREE YEARS AGO.
NOW THAT THE UNDERPASS IS ACTUALLY BUILT, WE WILL REDO THAT ANALYSIS.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE NEXT PHASE OF THAT ANALYSIS.
AND WE'RE ALREADY WORKING WITH KIMLEY HORN ON, ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
UM, FURTHER TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE, WE'LL BE DOING THAT OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR SO.
I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE THAT WE AT LEAST NEED TO GO THROUGH THE SPRINGTIME TO GAIN THAT PEAK CONGESTION DATA THAT WE WILL WE'LL GET BY DOING THE TESTING DURING THAT TIME, TESTING, DATA COLLECTION, ALL THAT, UM, SORT OF EFFORT THAT WILL LEAD TO COMPLETION OF THAT WORN ANALYSIS.
SO LIKELY BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE SHOULD HAVE,
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I I SAY SHOULD HAVE, I MEAN, ANYTIME YOU GO THROUGH THESE ANALYSES, SOMETIMES YOU FIND THINGS THAT YOU DIDN'T ANTICIPATE.BUT MY, MY THOUGHT RIGHT NOW IS BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE'LL WE WILL HAVE A GOOD ANSWER REGARDING WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE CROSSING.
IS THERE A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF TESTING THAT WOULD BE A THRESHOLD FOR ADOT? WELL, UNLESS WE REMOVE THE CROSSING, WE WOULD NEED TO CONTINUE TO DO THE TESTING FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE AGREEMENT.
IT'S IF YOU DON'T REMOVE THE CROSSING YOU NEED TO TEST IT FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
MM-HMM,
'CAUSE THE 10 YEAR THING WAS A LITTLE FUZZY.
UM, SO, BUT, BUT ULTIMATELY, BUT I STILL, I'M SORRY.
IT, IT NEEDS TO END UP WITH THE WAR, THE WARRANT ANALYSIS.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT ADOT WILL BASE THEIR DECISION ON.
SO IF EACH YEAR WE'RE RE CONDUCTING THAT WARRANT ANALYSIS, WE'LL BE PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION TO ADOT.
I'M, I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET TO EVEN A MORE SPECIFIC POINT THOUGH WITH THE, MY QUESTION ABOUT LIKE THE MINIMUMS THAT ADOT WOULD WANT AND THE TIMEFRAME.
BECAUSE IF, IF IT WERE CLOSED, IF, IF, IF IT COULD BE CLOSED SOONER AND WE HAD THE.DATA FROM IT BEING CLOSED, WOULD THAT SATISFY ADOT AS WELL FOR THE TESTING THAT'S REQUIRED BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE THIS DATA, IT'S CLOSED.
I, I, I'M TRYING TO, BECAUSE IT SEEMED, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME JUST TO, TO PUT IT IN BLUNT LAY TERMS, RIGHT.
UM, THAT THIS IS NOW A FUNCTIONING CROSSWALK.
UM, PEOPLE THAT GET STUCK IN THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING TO GET THAT PEAK INFORMATION OF, OF PEAK CONGESTION, RIGHT? BUT THEY DON'T APPRECIATE BEING A PART OF THAT TEST AND SITTING IN THERE TO BE PEAK CONGESTION FOR, FOR THE DATA COLLECTION.
SO THE GOAL, MY GOAL WOULD BE TO REDUCE CONGESTION.
AND I THINK THE WAY TO DO THAT, A WAY TO DO THAT IS TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH ADAT ABOUT MOVING FORWARD.
AND I'M LOOKING TO SAY WHAT IS THE MINIMUM, THE MAXIMUM INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED FOR THAT CONVERSATION TO MOVE FORWARD.
I THINK WHAT THAT'LL COME DOWN TO IS ONCE WE CONDUCT THE WARRANT ANALYSIS, DID WE CONSIDER ENOUGH INFORMATION? MM-HMM.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU INCLUDE A FULL YEAR OF, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, CONDUCTING AS MANY OF THESE TESTS AS WE CAN, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO CON, WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE EVERY DIFFERENT SCENARIO AND, AND DIFFERENT KIND OF CONGESTION EVENT SO THAT IT CAN'T BE LOOKED AT AND SAID, YOU DIDN'T CONSIDER THIS ONE SCENARIO, THEREFORE YOUR, YOUR ANALYSIS ISN'T VALID.
THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.
SO IF WE, IF WE DO THAT OVER THE COURSE OF A FULL YEAR, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD SATISFY WHAT THEY'RE, THEY NEED.
WE'LL CERTAINLY BE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE ADOT TO, TO VERIFY THAT'S WHAT THEY THINK.
BUT IT, IT, THAT'S NOT SPELLED OUT IN THAT AGREEMENT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ASKING.
UM, I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY TO THAT, BUT I'LL RESERVE IT FOR COMMENTS.
JESSICA, SORT OF TO FOLLOW UP ON KATHY'S QUESTION, WHAT IS THE SOONEST THAT YOU WOULD FORESEE YOU GET THROUGH THE SPRING, YOU DO A WARRANT ANALYSIS, YOU SUBMIT SUBMITTED TO ADOT, WHAT'S THE SOONEST THAT YOU COULD GET A RESPONSE AND, AND SORT OF CLOSE THE CROSSWALK IF THAT'S WARRANTED? IS THAT YOUR QUESTION CON? YEAH, WELL ACTUALLY IN THE AGREEMENT IT SAYS IF WE SUBMIT A WARRANT ANALYSIS THAT SHOWS THAT THE CROSSWALK NEEDS TO BE CLOSED, THAT WE WOULD BEGIN, DID I BRING THAT WITH ME? I DID.
I THINK IT'S DESIGN OF THE EFFORT TO MAKE THE CLOSURE WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME AND IT'S, IT'S NOT A VERY LONG TIME.
UM, SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT BY THE END OF 25 YOU MIGHT VERY WELL HAVE PER HAVE DONE WHAT'S NECESSARY TO CLOSE IT? FISCAL, UM, CALENDAR 25.
I THINK BY THAT POINT WE WILL HAVE DONE THE ANALYSIS, BUT I COULDN'T BEGIN TO TELL YOU WHAT THE RESULT OF THAT WILL BE.
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WHEN, WHAT, WHEN, WHEN DOES HE, WHEN DO YOU START THE YEAR COUNTING THE YEAR TESTING? I FEEL LIKE WE, WE COULD START IT WHEN WE STARTED TESTING IN, UH, JULY.IF, IF KIMBERLY HORN HAS ENOUGH DATA FROM THAT TEST
AND I GUESS A LITTLE CLARITY ON HOW THE WARRANT PROCESS WORKS IS ADOT ASSIGNS A POINT SYSTEM BASED ON A FEW DIFFERENT CRITERIA.
UM, THE MAIN ONES THAT WILL, I THINK DETERMINE IN THIS CASE IS THE PEDESTRIAN VOLUME.
SO WE ARE, WE NEED TO START TRACKING THE PEDESTRIAN VOLUME AT THAT AT GRADE CROSSING UNTIL SUCH A TIME WHERE FOLKS START USING, IF A WILL START USING THE UNDER CROSSING AS THEIR PRIMARY ROUTE.
SO OCTOBER IS BASICALLY THE START DATE.
SO IT'S A YEAR TESTING FROM M FROM NOW AND THEN IT'S, IT'S PREPARED THE WARD DIALYSIS AND THEN A O GETS IT.
SO YOU GOT ANOTHER YEAR TO GO JUST FOR THE TESTING.
KATHY, DID YOU HAVE ONE MORE? NO.
COMMENTS? WELL, YOU'RE NOT DONE.
YOU HAVE THE NEXT, UM, YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT DECK OR YOU WANNA, YEAH.
YOU, OR, OR DO YOU WANT TO HAVE COMMENTS ON THIS OR DO YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD ON THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK CREEK? YEAH, LET'S GO WITH THIS ONE.
OKAY, SO THE NEXT ONE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE OUTTA HERE BEFORE MIDNIGHT? RIGHT.
SO I'M PRESENTING THIS FOR BOB WELCH, THE PROJECT MANAGER, UM, SIM FOUR CS PROJECT STATUS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, COMPLETE.
UH, THERE'S SOME MINOR, UM, UPGRADES STILL IN PROCESS.
UM, LIKE THE GARBAGE CANS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND UM, ADDITIONAL EFFORTS ARE, WE'RE GONNA WORK THE PORTAL BREWER CONNECTION, UH, HAVE THAT ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA ON DECEMBER 10TH.
UM, WORKING WITH AURAURA AS WE SPEAK.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER POINTS OF FRICTION AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST ALREADY TALKING ABOUT THE CROSSING, UH, WARRANT ANALYSIS.
WE'RE ALREADY DEBATING AND FURTHER TESTING AT GRADE CLOSURE.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE ALL IN PROCESS.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT THAT'S, UNLESS WE HAVE ANY MORE DIRECT QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT.
SO, UH, CAMERAS AND LIGHTING ARE ALL IN PLACE NOW.
YES, WE HAVE TEMPORARY CAMERAS AND THE LIGHTING'S IN PLACE.
UM, WE'RE STILL HAVING TO GET, UM, COMMUNICATIONS IN TO MAKE THOSE PERMANENT CAMERAS, BUT THAT AGAIN IS IN PROCESS ELECTRICITY'S THERE.
A LOT OF THOSE FINISHED PRODUCTS ARE DONE.
I SAW THEM OUT THERE TODAY ON THE NORTH SIDE HANGING OVER THE, THE RAILING.
UH, THEY STILL PUTTING MORE INFRASTRUCTURE IN? NO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE CAMERAS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE THAT THEY'VE HAD LEFT DOING.
AND THEN JUST REMEMBER WE STILL HAVE THE BARRIER TO BE FINISHED.
WE END UP PULLING THE CONTRACT 'CAUSE WE COULDN'T GET A, AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT FOR MODELING THE SAME TYPE OF, UH, MEDIUM BARRIER WE HAD IN UPTOWN.
SO WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDESIGN IT TO MAKE IT A NARROWER BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES.
SO THOSE POSTS THAT ARE THE LIKE GIAN BASKET, UH, POSTS, WE HAVE TO REDESIGN THAT.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE PART, UH, FORTHCOMING AND UH, SUBSEQUENT AND THAT'S GOING TO BE INSTALLED BUT WITH A GATE THAT WOULD OPEN AND CLOSE.
WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT LATER WHEN THAT'S REQUIRED.
BUT YES, WE CAN LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, AS WE'RE DESIGNING THAT.
UH, BRIAN, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS? YEAH.
UH, KURT, THE PORTAL BREWER CONNECTION, UH, I MEAN IS THAT JUST GONNA BE A DESIGN UPDATE OR IS THAT A AGREEMENT WITH COCKY UPDATE? YES, IT'S AN AGREEMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING TO UPGRADE THEIR PARKING LOTS.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO, UM, WORK WITH THEM, UH, WITH THE PORT, WITH THE BRIDGE CROSSING, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO.
WE ALREADY HAVE THEIR AGREEMENT ON THE DRIVEWAY, ACCESS TO THEIR EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT AS PART OF OUR SIM FIVE D.
SO PART OF THAT STARTED THEDISCUSSIONS OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IN THEIR PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT'S PROGRESSING.
I PLAN TO MEET WITH THEM, UH, THE CONSULTANTS COME UP, REVISIT WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED, MEET WITH THEIR FOLKS, AND THEN I'M MEETING WITH THEIR PARTNERS SOMETIME IN, UM, END OF NOVEMBER.
AND THEN WITH THAT BY DECEMBER WHEN I PRESENT, I'LL HOPEFULLY HAVE A LOT BETTER CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE AND HOW WE CAN COLLABORATE WITH THEM IN GETTING THAT CONNECTION GOING.
SO WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT YET.
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SIR.OH, BEFORE WE GO, FINAL COMMENTS? ANY CORDS? NO, MAYOR.
WELL OPEN AND CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, NOW WE HAVE FINAL COMMENTS.
WELL, I JUST WANNA ALSO TO ADD, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT THEY, WE DID SOME POSITIVE THINGS AS PART OF OUR PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK CREEK.
THE TILLOCK WORKED WITH US IN FACILITATING EASEMENTS.
UM, THE ASSET, UH, DESIGN, THE PROTECTION OF THE, UM, THE TREES.
UH, THEY WORK WITH US ON KEEPING THEM SAFE AND ALSO OUR EMPLOYEES SAFE OF WORKING WITH THOSE TREES AS YOU GO BACK.
THEY'RE REALLY DOING HEALTHY AND WELL.
UH, TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS.
AGAIN, THEY WORKED WITH US WHEN WE HAD TEMPORARY CAMERAS OF USING POWER AND WIFI.
SO THESE ARE SOME POSITIVE THINGS I WANT TO, AND I'M GONNA KEEP BUILDING ON THAT TO, TO BUILD A PARTNERSHIP.
OKAY, ANY FINAL COMMENTS, BRIAN? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
OKAY, SO FOR NEXT MONTH, I DEFINITELY WANT TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE AT GRADE CROSSINGS IN UPTOWN.
I MEAN, GETTING TO WHERE THERE'S NO FRICTION, LIKE THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IN THE BUDGET SURVEY THIS PAST YEAR, ONE OF THE, UH, QUESTIONS WAS, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT OVERHEAD CROSSINGS? AND IT WAS POO-POOED RATHER STRONGLY.
NOW I DON'T THINK THERE WAS SUFFICIENT CONTEXT PROVIDED AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A COMMUNITY DISCUSSION AROUND LIKE, LOOK, YOU KNOW, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO TAKE A DENT OUT OF OUR TRAFFIC? WAS, WELL WE GOTTA STOP THESE AT GRADE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AT SOME POINT IF WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE A BIG DENT.
SO I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, CERTAINLY WANNA THANK, UH, ANDREW AND TAYLOR FOR THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU'VE DONE.
AND KURT, OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE BEEN HAND IN HAND WITH THAT.
CONGRATS ON GETTING THE UNDERPASS BUILT AND, UH, GETTING THAT TO WHERE IT'S AT NOW.
CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH HAVING METERING AT THE Y AND AND THOSE ENHANCEMENTS.
AND LAST APOLOGIES TO MY COLLEAGUES, I DID NOT MEAN TO SAY YOU WERE DISAGREEABLE.
I WAS MAKING LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WE CAN DISAGREE ON MOST ANYTHING, UH, WHEN WE WERE ON OUR PREVIOUS ITEM.
SO AGAIN, APOLOGIES TO MY COLLEAGUES.
SO I WANNA THANK EVERYONE AS WELL FOR A LOT OF WORK.
AND I'M SORRY IT WAS 103 WHILE YOU WERE ON THE ROOF.
UM, BE THANKFUL IT WASN'T 107.
UM, I, I THINK I THINK TOWARDS THE UPTOWN CROSSINGS, WHEN YOU GUYS BRING THAT BACK, AND NOT ONLY JUST WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT VISUALLY AND ALL THAT STUFF, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO TEST HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY CROSSING WHAT THE IMPACT OF THOSE CROSSINGS ARE, JUST LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING HERE.
UM, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA BLOW THINGS OUT OF PROPORTION IF WE DON'T NEED TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH AN IMPACT AS WE THINK WE DO.
IT WOULD JUST BE REALLY GOOD TO KNOW.
SO, UM, I'M GOING TO, I'M, I'M CHANNELING COUNSELOR FURMAN AND I'D REALLY LOVE TO SEE THE DATA, UM, THAT GOES WITH
I, AND I KNOW IT'S COMMENT, BUT UM, A LONG WHILE BACK WHEN WE FIRST PUT THE VIS MODEL TOGETHER, JUST FOR SIMPLICITY'S SAKE, WE JUST HAD A PED COUNT AND WE TURNED IT TO ZERO AND WE JUST LOOKED AT WHAT IMPACT THAT HAD ON, ON VEHICLES.
NOW AGAIN, WHETHER YOU GET A HUNDRED PERCENT USAGE THERE, THAT WAS JUST A SIMPLE PS VERSUS NO PS BASED ON ACTUAL COUNT.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE DATA WE STARTED IMPLEMENTING, BUT THAT WAS A COUPLE YEARS BACK WHEN WE WERE DEVELOPING SOME OF THIS.
SO YEAH, AND I THINK THAT MOST OF US WHO HAVE TRAVELED UPTOWN, WE'LL TELL YOU IT ISN'T ABOUT HOW NECESSARILY THE NUMBER OF PS CROSSING BEING ZERO OR NON-ZERO.
IT'S ALSO HOW MANY STOP IN THE MIDDLE, UM, IN ORDER TO LOOK AROUND AT THE SCENERY AND TAKE A PICTURE.
SO, UH, UNDERSTANDING THE BEHAVIOR OF PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO ARE CROSSING IS ALSO I THINK IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE.
SO I'M TRYING TO MODEL GOOD BEHAVIOR AND USE THE CROSS
I USE THE HUNTER PATH EVERY TIME I GO INTO SLACK OF HOCKEY.
SO I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN USING IT QUITE A BIT AND IT'S HEAVILY USED.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE ENJOYING IT, USING IT.
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ARE UNFORTUNATELY PLAYING WITH THE WHEEL.UH, AND I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT ALL OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE TO IMPROVE IT TO INCREASE USAGE.
SO WHETHER THAT'S MORE SIGNAGE OR THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT COULD BE USED.
SO I, I DON'T LIKE TO SEE THAT WE'RE SAYING IT'S DONE.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT IS DONE.
I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WHAT OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE FOR IMPROVEMENT.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S DONE IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S OPEN, BUT I, I DON'T THINK IT'S DONE IN THE SENSE THAT WE LEARN FROM DATA.
WE CAN MAKE IMPROVEMENTS POTENTIALLY THAT WILL INCREASE THE USAGE, BUT I THINK PEOPLE ARE REALLY ENJOYING IT NOW ON SOCIAL MEDIA THIS PAST WEEKEND PEOPLE WERE ECSTATIC BECAUSE THE CROSSWALK WAS CLOSED AND THEY THOUGHT THAT TRAFFIC WAS BRILLIANT AND THEY POINTED TO THE REASON THAT TRAFFIC WAS BRILLIANT AND THEY, A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE WERE FROM THE VILLAGE.
AND SO THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THEIR TRAVEL TIME, YOU KNOW, UP TO, INTO SEDONA THAT HAD IMPROVED IMMEASURABLY.
AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A SUNDAY AFTERNOON, UH, I THINK 11 TO THREE-ISH.
AND UH, AND THEY SAID THAT TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, WAS AT CERTAIN POINTS WAS SLOW, BUT IT CONTINUED TO MOVE AND THEY WEREN'T JUST SITTING STUCK SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, ON 1 79 AND MOST OF THESE PEOPLE WERE ON 1 79.
THEY WEREN'T COMING FROM, FROM, UH, WEST SEDONA.
SO IT SEEMS TO BE HAVING A POSITIVE IMPACT AND I'M GLAD TO SEE, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SHARE WITH AKA P**I AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE, THEIR SHOPS IN ON THE NORTH SIDE AREN'T BEING HARMED BY CLOSING THE CROSSWALK, WHICH IS THEIR FEAR.
BUT THE MORE DATA THAT WE HAVE TO SAY PEOPLE ARE NOT STAYING ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND HARMING THE RETAILERS ON THE NORTH SIDE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE A CLOSED CROSSWALK, THEY ARE USING THE UNDERPASS.
I THINK THAT WILL BE REALLY HELPFUL AND UH, YOU KNOW, LET THEM TAKE THAT DATA AND YOU, YOU KNOW, AND PLAY WITH IT THEMSELVES AND YOU KNOW, JUST KEEP THE COMMUNICATION OPEN WITH THEM SO WE GET TO THAT POINT WHERE, WHERE THAT CROSSWALK, THE AT GRADE CROSSWALK NEEDS TO BE CLOSED.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO BE ON BOARD WITH THAT.
THANK YOU VICE MAYOR JESSICA? YEAH, I DON'T THINK THE CROSSWALKS DONE IT.
AND WHAT I'M GOING TO BEAT THE SAME DEAD HORSE I BEAT TODAY WITH ANNETTE AND ANDY BY SAYING THIS IS A, A STANDARD CITY PROJECT FROM AN ENGINEERING POINT OF VIEW.
IT'S A CONNECTION, IT'S A SHARED USE PATH AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A ROUTE.
I THINK WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, WHICH WAS FRANKLY SEEMS LIKE DECADES AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEING PRESENTED NOT SO MUCH OR, OR EQUALLY AS AN EXPERIENCE AND AS A THING AS WE DID ABOUT IT BEING JUST A WAY TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
AND SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT SIGNAGE, SIGNAGE THAT JUST SAYS UNDERPASS AVAILABLE OR, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, THERE IS ONLY DOING HALF OF THE JOB, HALF OF THE OTHER HALF OF THE JOB, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY AN ENGINEERING EFFORT.
I THINK ENGINEERING HAS DONE ITS JOB IS BASICALLY SOMETHING THAT TREATS A SIGN THAT TREATS THE UNDERPASS.
AND THIS GOES TO HOLLY'S POINT OF MAXIMIZING USE, TREATS THE UNDERPASS AS A SEDONA EXPERIENCE.
AND, AND IT MAY BE THAT SIGNS THAT HAVE SORT OF A RIVER MOTIF HAS A HEADING ON IT THAT SORT OF SAYS EXPERIENCE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, GO THAT WAY, IS WHAT I THINK IN TERMS OF LOOKING FOR THE SIGNAGE THAT'S REQUIRED THERE.
THE WAY I THINK THAT, THAT THE CITY SHOULD THINK ABOUT GOING RATHER THAN NOTHING AGAINST ENGINEERS.
UM, IT'S NOT AN ENGINEERING JOB.
THIS IS NOT AN ENGINEERING JOB.
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ATTRACT AN A DISNEYLAND ATTRACTION JOB.AND SO THAT'S JUST MY, MY BASIC COMMENT.
I AM SO IMPRESSED WITH THE, WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING, AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT THIS VERY COMPLICATED, VERY ARCANE THING,
I MEAN, IT, IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS TO ME FROM YOUR INITIAL TESTING THAT, THAT IT CAN HAVE AN IMPACT ON TRAFFIC MOVEMENT SEPARATE FROM ADDITIONAL CAPITAL INVESTMENT.
SO I'M REALLY, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND 90% OF IT, BUT I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE DIRECTION AND IT'S GOING IN SOME OF THE PRELIMINARY, SOME OF THE PRELIMINARY FINDINGS THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TONIGHT.
KATHY, I AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS.
UM, I ESPECIALLY LIKE YOUR COMMENT ABOUT IS NOW A DISNEYLAND UM, ISSUE.
IT IS, IT'S, THIS IS, I I I DON'T WANNA THINK OF THIS AS DONE.
I THINK THERE NEED TO BE SOME AMENITIES DOWN THERE THAT KEEP PEOPLE DOWN THERE IN THE SHADE BY THE WATER, KEEP THAT IN AN ENLIVENED SPACE SO THAT DOESN'T EVER BECOME A DEAD SPACE IN WHICH PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO WALK OVER THROUGH IT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE ARTISTRY DOWN THERE.
BUT YEAH, BUT THAT PART'S NOT DONE AND IT DOES NEED TO MOVE INTO AN AESTHETICS TEAM NEEDS TO BE LOOKING AT THAT NOW TO MAKE IT BETTER.
UM, I WANNA GET THE DATA, AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD BEFORE THAT I WAS DIRECTING TOWARD YOU, ANDY.
UM, I DO WANNA GET THE DATA, BUT I WANNA GET THE DATA AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I WANT DATA, I WANT DATA TO TELL THE STORY TO MAKE THE CASE PLAINLY FOR US.
BUT I DON'T WANT EXTENSIVE IS, UM, UM, MELISSA WAS CHANNELING COUNSELOR FURMAN, I'M GOING TO CHANNEL PERSON X WHO LIVES, YOU KNOW, IN CHAPEL AND TRIES TO GET INTO WEST SEDONA AND THEY'RE THINKING THEMSELVES, DARN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS SILLY CITY THAT AND ALL THIS MONEY AND BUILT THIS THING AND IT'S OP IT'S STILL OPEN FOR THE
AND I'M SITTING HERE BECAUSE THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE PERCEPTION.
THAT IS THE PERCEPTION THAT WE'RE UP AGAINST.
SO I WANT TO REALLY GET A HANDLE FROM ADOT, IF YOU WOULD, ABOUT WHAT IS THE ACTUAL TIMEFRAME, COULD WE MOVE THIS FASTER IN TERMS OF GETTING THE DATA TO GIVE THEM, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY THAT CAN CLOSE IT OR NOT.
IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO MAKE SURE IT'S A COMPLETE SET OF DATA, BUT WE HAVE TO DO THAT QUICKLY.
UM, WE ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO BE MESSAGING THAT TO OUR COMMUNITY, OUR RESIDENTS, OUR BUSINESSES, OUR VISITORS, EVERYBODY.
UM, IT NEEDS TO BE MESSAGED OUT THERE BECAUSE THERE IS THIS PERCEPTION OF THE CITY JUST DID THIS, IT'S A BOONDOGGLE AND NOTHING'S HAPPENING BECAUSE OF IT.
AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE.
COUNCILOR WILLIAMS SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR PARTS ARE THE PUZZLE SHE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND, RIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I GET THAT, BUT WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF, OF THE MESSAGING AND CONTROLLING THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOME SIGNAGE OR SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PUT UP THERE OR IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO LET MOTORISTS KNOW BETTER THAT WHAT THEY'RE PART OF.
BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING TO MAKE IT CLEAR.
I WOULD CALL ON OUR LOCAL MEDIA TO HELP US GET THAT MESSAGE OUT AS WELL ABOUT WHAT THIS REALLY IS AND WHY THINGS ARE OPEN OR NOT OPEN.
UM, BUT WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF THAT BECAUSE THERE IS CLEARLY A MISUNDERSTANDING, NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION GETTING OUT THERE.
SO THOSE ARE REALLY, LET'S GET THE DATA, LET'S GET IT QUICK.
LET'S UNDERSTAND WHEN, HOW SOON WE CAN MOVE ON THIS, LET'S GET MESSAGING OUT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND LET'S MAKE THAT EVEN MORE OF A DESTINATION SPOT.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DOZENS OF TIMES I'VE BEEN DOWN THERE.
WELL, I KNOW THAT YOU WERE GIVEN THE TASK AND THIS SIDE WAS GIVEN THE TASK AS WELL TO MAKE IT A DESTINATION TO GO.
AND WHENEVER I WALK DOWN THERE, I SEE PEOPLE HANGING OUT, STANDING BY THE WALL, STANDING BY THE RAILING.
AND I ASKED ONE PERSON, WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND THEY WERE, THEY LOVED IT.
THEY WERE DOWN THERE 10 MINUTES BEFORE I GOT THERE.
THEY WERE JUST HANGING OUT LISTENING TO THE RIPPLING WATER.
SO I THINK OUR DESIRE FOR THE UNDERPASS WAS ACHIEVED.
AND THEN SOME YES, MORE THINGS HAVE TO BE DONE.
WE NEED THE, THE LITTLE SIGN THAT SAYS WATER
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WHEEL, PUSH THE BUTTON.I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO, TO GET IT TO COME ON.
I SAW THE LITTLE BUTTON, BUT I THOUGHT I SAW IT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS AND IT WENT TOUCH IT.
AND UNTIL SOME LITTLE KID WENT OVER AND HE PUSHED IT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE WATER STARTS COMING OUT.
AND TRASH CANS, YOU KNOW, TRASH CANS ARE NEEDED.
I KNOW THEY, I KNOW IT'S GONNA COME, SO I DON'T NEED TO DWELL ON THAT, BUT WE NEED TO GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO GET TO.
AS KATHY SAID, THE PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND AND I THINK SOME OF US, KATHY, MYSELF, JESSICA'S BEEN ON MYSELF ON SOCIAL MEDIA SAYING THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE COMING.
SO, BUT IT'S GONNA, IF IT TAKES THE YEAR, IT TAKES THE YEAR.
BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE FOR ADOT TO BE HAPPY.
AND IF WE DON'T GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA CLOSE IT.
AND THEN IT'S A BOONDOGGLE BECAUSE WE SPENT ALL THAT MONEY FOR NOTHING.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE.
BUT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS.
IT IS FRUSTRATING FOR US HERE, SIX OF US HERE TODAY, UH, AND THE PUBLIC AND WE JUST, UH, HOWEVER WE CAN GET THE MESSAGE OUT TO PEOPLE, I THINK THEY'RE GETTING IT.
YOU KNOW, UH, THE VICE MAYOR MENTIONED A THREAD THAT I SENT HER YESTERDAY ON NEXT DOOR.
I DON'T WANNA MAKE 10, 15 PEOPLE.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF IS IT FAST ENOUGH? THAT'S JUST WHAT WE, THE, THE PLAYBOOK THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH ANDREW TAYLOR, THANKS FOR COMING UP AND WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN IN IN, UH, NEXT MONTH.
I JUST WANT TO ADD, MAYOR IF I MAY, UM, I HEARD THAT YOU WANT AESTHETICS.
I FAILED TO MENTION THE EXISTING SIGNS.
THOSE WERE ENGINEERING SIGNS, JESSICA, AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE THEM MORE SEDONA SIGNS PLEASE.
AND THEN ALSO WITH UH, AK OUT, WE'RE LOOKING AT PAINTING ALL THE PIERS, WHICH IS ALSO GONNA INCLUDE YES, THE, UH, READY SET GO OF THE EMERGENCY EVACUATION AS PART OF IT.
SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE IN PROCESS THERE, THERE ARE ACTION ITEMS RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE GONNA DELIVER.
SO THERE ARE AESTHETIC THINGS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE HERE.
SO ONE THING I DO WANNA ASK YOU, 'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE, I SHOULDN'T EVEN ASK THE QUESTION, BUT I DO WANT TO ASK, TALK ABOUT READY SAID GO IF IT'S DESIRED.
AND IF A THAT SAYS CLOSE THE CROSSWALK, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA BE, BUT IF THEY SAY THAT AND WE HAVE A FLOOD DOWN THERE AND I KNOW IT'S BUILT FOR THE FLOOD AND WHICH IS GREAT AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE ACCUSED US OF, IT'S GONNA WASH AWAY AND IT'S NOT, DON'T YOU NEED AS A BACKUP PLAN THOSE GATES TOO OPEN IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY WHEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE PEOPLE ACROSS.
WHAT IS THE PLAN, IF ANY, YET? THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED WHAT THOSE ELEVATIONS ARE AND THEN HOW THEY'RE GONNA COORDINATE TO THE, THE LEAVING, THE UNDERPASS.
SO THAT'LL BE INCORPORATED WHEN WE SET THOSE GAUGINGS AND THEN WE'LL WORK WITH OUR POLICE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS AND COME UP WITH A PLAN.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE THE TYPICAL LONG ITEM F OH AND WE HAVE TO, THIS IS FOR NO ACTION AT ALL.
DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? WE DO NOT.
WE'LL SEE YOU AT THREE O'CLOCK TOMORROW.
OR ONE O'CLOCK, THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AT ONE O'CLOCK.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE THREE O'CLOCK.
WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE 'EM HERE.
SO IN THE VOTE, WE'RE SCHEDULED IN THE VOLTE AT ONE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE LIVE AND ONE ZOOM.
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ALRIGHT.