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RIGHT.LET'S CALL THIS ORDER, UH, OR THIS MEETING
[Historic Preservation on Novemeber 4, 2024.]
OF THE, UH, CITY SEDONA STARK PRESERVATION COMMISSION.IT'S 4 0 1, UM, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND ROLL CALL.
IF YOU'LL JOIN ME IN STAND IN PLEDGE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ROLL CALL VICE CHAIR MEYERS PRESENT.
AND COMMISSIONER HUGGINS IS EXCUSED.
UH, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? JUST WANNA SAY, UM, HOPE EVERYONE WILL JOIN US, UH, AT THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM NEXT MONDAY FOR THE VETERANS DAY EVENT.
UM, IT'S THE CITY'S COMMEMORATION VETERANS DAY, TOO.
IT'S AT 11 O'CLOCK AT THE APPLE SHED.
APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES.
EVERYBODY GET A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH THOSE? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE? SO MOVED.
IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, IT'S APPROVED
I'M USED TO HAVING TO TAKE MINUTE OR, UH, DO THAT ANYWAY.
PUBLIC FORUM, THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA.
THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO A RS 38 DASH 4 3 1 0.018, ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO ANY CRITICISM OR RE-SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
DO WE HAVE ANY DONNA? NO CARDS? OH, SHOCKING.
FIVE
STAFF, DO YOU WANNA RUN WITH IT? SURE.
SO, UM, IN CONTINUATION OF OUR DISCUSSION, UH, FROM THE LAST TIME, UM, THERE WERE, WE, WE DISCUSSED A WORK PLAN, UH, WHICH THANK YOU CHAIR MEYERS, YOU HAVE PROVIDED US HERE THAT WE CAN DISCUSS TODAY.
UM, THE, WE, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE BUDGET AFTER THAT, WHICH KIND OF FLOWS INTO THIS DISCUSSION HERE THAT'S TIED TOGETHER.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE BIGGEST, UH, TICKET ITEMS THAT WE HAVE FOR NEXT YEAR, BEYOND WHAT WAS DISCUSSED OF THE MINIMUM OF THE TWO LANDMARKING PROJECTS, UH, WOULD BE THE UPDATING OF THE SURVEY BOOK.
AND SO, UM, WE'LL SEE LATER ON THAT, UH, ADDITIONAL MONIES WERE PUT INTO THE BUDGET FOR THAT CAUSE.
UM, I KNOW THERE WASN'T A TON OF TIME TO GO THROUGH THE, UM, A DRAFT WORK PLAN, AND, AND PLEASE TAKE IT JUST AS THAT IT'S A DISCUSSION STARTER.
UM, MY, MY THOUGHT WAS TO MERELY PUT PEN TO PAPER ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW THIS IS OUR JOB AND THAT WE'RE DOING IT.
UM, SO THERE'S NO, UH, PRIDE OF AUTHORSHIP THERE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO WAIT.
I JUST SPENT LITERALLY ALL WEEKEND STARTING OFF PERFORMANCES OF THE DEAD QUILTER SOCIETY AT THE MUSEUM SAYING, TURN OFF YOUR CELL PHONES.
'CAUSE WE'RE ALL GETTING CRUSHED WITH THESE TEXTS AND PHONE CALLS.
UM, SO I'M NOT SURE IF WE WANT TO, OR, OR NEED TO GET DEEP INTO A WORK PLAN DISCUSSION TODAY.
IT'S NEVER GOOD REALLY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, REVISE A DOCUMENT BY COMMITTEE NECESSARILY
UM, SO I'M NOT SURE, UH, HOW DEEP WE WANNA GO INTO THAT TODAY, OR IF, IF IT'S OKAY TO, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS IN A PUBLIC SETTING.
LIKE, IF, IF FOLKS WANT TO TAKE SOME TIME TO DIGEST IT AND GET BACK TO ME AND WE CAN EDIT IT OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AND MAYBE HAVE SOMETHING TO APPROVE AT THE NEXT MEETING AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I THINK THAT, UM, THERE MIGHT BE
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A HIGH LEVEL DISCUSSION TONIGHT JUST TO REITER REITERATE, UH, WHAT WAS STATED LAST, UH, AT LAST MEETING AND MAKE SURE THAT'S STILL THE DIRECTION THAT YEAH.THE COMMISSION WANTS TO GO IN AND, UM, USING THE HEADINGS HERE AS THAT, THOSE TALKING POINTS PERHAPS.
YOU JUST WANNA HAVE YOUR DISCUSSIONS ON RECORD IN PUBLIC HEARING.
I, I JUST, I HAVE ONE PRAGMATIC THOUGHT.
UM, ARE THERE SIGNIFICANT BUILDINGS IN SEDONA OVER 50 YEARS OLD? MM-HMM.
AND I, AND I BRING THAT UP ONLY BECAUSE I'VE DONE THE SURVEYS, YOU KNOW, FOR 20 YEARS AND PRETTY MUCH KNOW MOST OF THE HOMES AROUND HERE.
AND SOMETIMES WE TEND TO GO DOWN ROADS BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE.
UH, I, MY QUESTION IS, I REALLY DON'T THINK THERE'S MANY, IF ANY SIGNIFICANT HOMES LEFT THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST SO, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG PROJECT OF WHAT I, I DON'T SEE A BIG PROJECT FOR US TRYING TO GO OUT AND FIND AND MAKE IT A, A POINT TO TRY TO FIND MORE SIGNIFICANT HOMES IF THEY AREN'T THERE.
IF I'M WRONG, THAT'S FINE, AND I'M ALL FOR IT.
HAVE, LAST SESSION WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, LOOKING AT THE COUNTY ASSESSOR'S ROLE.
UM, HAVE YOU TALKED TO, UH, THE COUNTIES? EITHER ONE? I, I DID IT ORIGINALLY, BUT I, WE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T, IN THE OLD DAYS, I WOULD JUST DO STUFF NOWADAYS.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY, IT, IT'S A GOOD WAY TO LOOK.
AND I THINK IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE DONE FROM STAFF, I WOULD THINK.
BUT I THINK IF WE WERE, THAT WOULD BE THE LOGICAL WAY TO GO DOWN DOWN IT.
AND IF WE COULD COME UP WITH A COLOR COORDINATED MAP BY DATE MM-HMM.
AND JANINE, FRANKLY WAS VERY GOOD AT, AT KNOWING WHERE THE KIND OF THE BODIES WERE BURIED YEAH.
AS FAR AS SIGNIFICANT HOMES THAT, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
BUT, UM, I THINK IF WE APPROACHED THE ASSESSORS, YOU KNOW, AND WORK IN OUR AREAS, UM, BECAUSE AGE IS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE MULTIPLE LINEAR REGRESSION THAT THEY RUN IN ORDER TO DETERMINE THEIR INITIAL VALUES.
WELL, THEY CAN SORT, BUT WE, WE DID IT LAST TIME.
THEY SORTED BY BUILDING DATE, UHHUH
THEY WERE, UH, 'CAUSE YOU, YOU, IN, IN THOSE DAYS WHEN IT WAS A COUNTY, IT WAS EVEN BETTER BECAUSE YOU GOT A COUNTY BUILDING PERMIT.
SO I THINK WE COULD TALK ABOUT AT SOME POINT, IT, THIS WOULD BE A JOB THAT WE WOULD TURN OVER TO STAFF.
OUR STAFF WOULD TURN OVER TO US MM-HMM.
BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP.
I THINK, UM, I, I AM VERY COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT LIKE, IF WE START LANDMARKING THE HELL OUT OF EVERY, I'M SORRY THE HECK OUT OF EVERYTHING.
IF WE START LANDMARKING THE HECK OUT OF EVERYTHING, UH, IT IT BECOMES A MEANINGLESS DESIGNATION.
UM, AND, AND SO I, I AM WITH YOU.
LIKE, LET'S NOT JUST SAY SOMETHING'S 50 AND SCHLEP A A LANDMARK ON IT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF IT? WHAT, WHAT MAKES IT RISE TO THE, TO THAT LEVEL? UM, AND I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM THE, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONFERENCE, UM, THAT WE ATTENDED WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS MORE OF A FOCUS IN THE, THE PRESERVATION COMMUNITY ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE STORY? WHAT IS THE, THE THING THAT MAKES THIS IMPORTANT? WHY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LIKE THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOESN'T REALLY CARE.
LIKE YOU, YOU SLAP SOMETHING ON THERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JOE SMITH WHO, YOU KNOW, WAS BORN HERE OR SOMETHING.
THEY, THEY DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS.
UM, SO LIKE, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE STORY? WHAT, WHAT MAKES THIS SIGNIFICANT? WHY SHOULD, UM, WHY SHOULD ANYONE CARE? AND SO I, I AM COGNIZANT OF THAT.
AND, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, I'VE, I'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY SOMEBODY, UH, WHO'S INTERESTED IN, IN LANDMARKING HIS, HIS HOME.
LIKE, WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE REASON? AND IT, IT CAN'T JUST BE THAT IT'S 50 YEARS OLD, YOU KNOW? UM, AND SO TRYING TO, TRYING TO PUSH HIM ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT, UM, I THINK TOO, THAT WHILE, WHILE IN THE OLD DAYS, I, I
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HONESTLY HAVE NO IDEA HOW HARD OR EASY IT WOULD BE TO DO WHAT, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT.MAYBE, MAYBE THEY WOULD JUST TURN THAT DATA OVER FROM THE COUNTIES.
UM, BUT LET'S JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT FOR THE MOMENT, SAY THAT IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT AND THEY WOULDN'T TURN IT OVER TO US ON A COLD CALL.
YOU KNOW, OR, OR A LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN OR WHATEVER.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE, THE HISTORIC, UM, RESOURCE, UH, SURVEY COMES IN TOO.
'CAUSE THAT'LL, THAT'LL INCLUDE EVERYTHING.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, WE'RE HIRING SOMEBODY.
IT'S NOT POOR STEVE HAVING TO GO OUT AND DO IT.
IT'S NOT ANY OF US HAVING TO GO OUT AND DO IT.
SOMEBODY ELSE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING, GOING OUT THERE AND SAYING, OKAY, HERE THEY ARE.
AND THEY KNOW WHICH LEVERS TO PULL TO GET THAT DATA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, UM, I, I THINK, WELL, EVEN IF YOU FIND SOMETHING, IF WE CAN WORK THOSE PROJECTS IN CONJUNCTION, I THINK THAT'S WHY, AND I YOUR YOUR POINT'S WELL TAKEN.
IF, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE ONES WE HAVE NOW OVER 50 YEARS OLD, THOSE WOULD BE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE BUILT 50 YEARS AGO.
AND THERE'S JUST THREE OR FOUR OF THOSE.
AND SO MAYBE, BASICALLY THEY'RE GONNA BE CLUSTERED.
AND WHAT WE LOOKED AT BEFORE WE LOOKED AT SIGNIFICANT SOME WALLS UPTOWN, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE WAY THEY DID THE ROCK WORK MM-HMM.
BUT WE REALIZED WE REALLY COULDN'T GO BACK AND PROTECT THE ROCK WORK.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PROTECTING IT AND SAY THAT'S SIGNIFICANT, BECAUSE THEN THAT CAN BE USED LATER IN MEN.
AND WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING THINGS TO SAY, HERE'S HOW THEY BUILT.
THIS IS A VIBE WE'D LIKE TO FOLLOW.
UM, SO, UM, AND, AND IF, AND IF IT'S, YOU LOOK AT A BUILDING AND YOU SAY, WOULD THIS, IF THIS BUILDING WAS TORE DOWN AND THERE WAS A, AN EMPTY HOLE THERE, NOW WOULD WE FEEL BAD 50 YEARS FROM NOW? WHAT WOULD WE HAVE LOST? YEAH.
AND IN MOST CASES, WE WOULDN'T HAVE LOST MUCH.
SO THAT'S, I'M, I'M WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S OLD, THEN IT'S KIND OF COOL.
BUT IF IT WAS TO DISAPPEAR, WOULD IT REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE? NOW SOME OF THEM ARE, ONE OR TWO OF THEM ARE DOLES, ALL OF THEM PROBABLY NOT.
BUT A SIGNIFICANT MEDU THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT AND SAY, THIS WAS A CRITICAL TURNING POINT IN ARCHITECTURE.
THOSE ARE LIKE UPTOWN THOSE ARE COOL LITTLE BUILDINGS.
BUT JUST TO BE AN OLD BUILDING, JUST TO SAY THAT'S AN OLD BUILDING PROTECTED, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO DOWN THAT ROAD.
UM, A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THAT.
I THINK TOO, IT BEHOOVES US, AND I KNOW THIS, THIS ADDS A LAYER OF, OF COMPLEXITY, BECAUSE YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET OWNERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THIS.
BUT I THINK, UM, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ARE, ARE SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT TOO.
AND, AND THE REASON I, I THINK FOCUSING A LITTLE MORE ON COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS INSTEAD OF RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE IT IS JUST THE EXPERIENCE WE HAD FROM, UM, FROM THE, THE KIVA HOUSE.
AND THEN AS WE GO TO, YOU KNOW, PUBLICIZE, HERE ARE THE, HERE ARE, THEY SAY, OH, WE DON'T ACTUALLY WANT THAT PUBLICIZED BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THE ATTENTION.
WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING TO OUR NEXT MM-HMM.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'M COGNIZANT OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, IF WE CAN IDENTIFY SOME COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS MM-HMM.
WELL, I MEAN, IN, IN THIS CASE THOUGH, THE KIVA HOUSE, THE LADIES THAT OWN THAT HOUSE WERE THE ONES THAT SOUGHT US OUT.
AND, AND WE DON'T NEED TO, I I'M NOT TRYING TO, I I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, THE LESSON FROM THAT IS LIKE, OKAY, WELL WE DID IT, BUT THEN NOW THEY DON'T WANT
IT'S BEING SOLD ANYWAY, SO, SO, OH, IS IT? IT'S UP FOR SALE.
'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT.
AND I'M, I'M A LITTLE, I WISH I WOULD'VE KNOWN A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF A COOL LITTLE HOUSE.
I WOULD'VE LIKED TO MAYBE OH, IT'S A NEAT HOUSE.
JUST, BUT MY WIFE WOULD'VE SAID, NO,
UM, SO I THINK, I THINK AS A, AS AN ORGANIZATION, I THINK MAYBE WITH TIME TO LIKE REFOCUS A LITTLE BIT MM-HMM.
UM, I THINK THE IDEA OF PROTECTING A BUILDING BY GETTING THE PERSON TO AGREE TO NOT DO ANYTHING TO THE BUILDING IS, IS, IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT BUILDINGS WE COULD CONCENTRATE ON.
AND IT'S PARTICULARLY UPTOWN AND MM-HMM.
I THINK IF WE WERE TO FOCUS A LITTLE MORE ON SOMEHOW GIVING AWARDS OR RECOGNITION TO SIGNIFICANT
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ARCHITECTURE OR, OR THINGS THAT KIND OF ALONG THE EDGES MM-HMM.AND WE COULD DESIGNATE SOME, SOME PROPERTIES AS SIGNIFICANT.
UH, AND WHAT THAT DOES IS IT MAKES PEOPLE PROUD OF THEIR HOUSE AND HOPEFUL, HOPEFULLY THEY KEEP IT UP.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LAYER THAT ISN'T LANDMARKING, THAT IS SOMETHING ELSE, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S JUST ONE LAYER BELOW THAT WE WOULD WORK, WE WOULD, WE AS A, IN THIS COMMUNITY MIGHT WORK BETTER FOR US THAN IN A COMMUNITY LIKE PHOENIX WHERE YOU HAVE 300,000 HOUSES, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HUNT THROUGH YEAH.
BUT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT HOUSES, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURES, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT AREAS.
NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
I THINK, UM, THAT FALLS OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE LDC SAYS WE CAN DO AS, AS, AS A COMMISSION FOR NOW.
BUT I DON'T THINK, I, I, I, IF I'M BEING PERFECTLY HONEST, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA CHANGE.
UH, AND CERTAINLY NOT ANYTIME SOON.
UM, AND SO I THINK IF, IF THAT'S A PATH WE WANNA GO DOWN, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT RELATIONSHIP, UM, UH, IN THE, IN THE AGREEMENT WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY COMES IN, THAT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY MAYBE COULD, UM, COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND, AND MAYBE WE COULD WORK WITH THEM A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE AN OFFICIAL DESIGNATION.
I MEAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON ANY OF THAT.
THAT AS WE ALL KNOW, THE SCOPE OF THE LDC DOESN'T ANY LONGER PERMIT THAT RECOGNITION PROGRAM.
UM, AND DON'T FORGET THAT WE WE'RE ON A, LET'S SEE, BASIS RIGHT NOW WITH COUNSEL.
AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE CLEAR FOCUS.
WE DO FOLLOW WHAT THE LDC SAYS.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WELL, OKAY.
BUT GOING DOWN THAT ROAD, I ALWAYS SEEM TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT ARGUMENT.
SOMEBODY'S GOTTA BE, WELL, I, BUT I KNOW THE, I KNOW THE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE WELL ENOUGH TOO.
AND I THINK IF THEY WERE TO SEE THAT WE WERE GOING DOWN A ROAD THAT THEY THOUGHT AND THEY COULD AGREE WITH WAS A GOOD IDEA.
'CAUSE IT WAS EXPLAINED TO THEM.
I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WOULD SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT.
IT'S NOT IN THE LDC OTHER WORDS.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.
AND IT'S, IT'S AN AREA THAT WE COULD OPEN UP TO BECAUSE IF WE FELT IT WAS NECESSARY MM-HMM.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO, UH, IS, UM, WHEN WE PERFORM OUR SURVEY TO IDENTIFY THOSE PARTICULAR PROPERTIES LIKE WE DID THE LAST TIME MM-HMM.
AND, UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST RECENTLY REREAD THIS LITTLE HANDBOOK THAT CAME OUT IN 2018 AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, ACTUALLY, A LOT OF THAT IS IN HERE.
AND, UH, SO I THINK, IS IT WE, YEAH.
AND I THINK WE COULD COORDINATE, UH, THE WORK PLAN, YOU KNOW, IN HERE.
IS THAT, THAT'S NOT A DOCUMENT I'VE EVER SEEN.
UM, SO IS, DOES THE CITY HAVE THAT AND CAN SHARE IT? I DUNNO WHAT IT, UM, IT SAYS CITY OF SEDONA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION HANDBOOK.
AND IT'S A PROBABLY ABOUT 10 PAGE DOCUMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT, I MEAN, JUST AS A COMMISSIONER WHO'S BEEN ON THE COMMISSION TWO YEARS, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT DOCUMENT.
I, I CAN REMEMBER YEARS AGO WE WOULD ACTUALLY GO OUT AND SCOUR AROUND LOOKING FOR AN OLD WALL BEHIND, UH, AN OLD BUILDING THAT, THAT WE HAD HEARD ABOUT.
AND WE FOUND, WE FOUND SOME OLD GRAPES THAT WERE STILL GROWING IN WEST SEDONA, UH, ON A PROPERTY.
SO, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS TRYING TO FIND SOME OF THESE HISTORICAL PIECES THAT MIGHT BE MORE MUSEUM ORIENTED TYPE IDEAS.
BUT, UM, SO THAT'S, I I CAME FROM THAT BACKGROUND WHERE WE DID THAT THEN.
AND IF THE CITY DOESN'T WANT US TO DO THAT, THAT'S FINE.
I, I THINK HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD THING, BUT I DO THINK THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE IS THAT THE CITY, WE, WE STRUGGLE WITH WHAT WE DO.
LIKE THERE'S WHAT WE'RE CODIFIED TO DO, AND THEN THERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
AND WE REALLY STRUGGLE WITH THAT.
AND WE, I THINK THE REASON THE CITY HAD US, UH,
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GO IN FRONT OF COUNCIL LAST, LAST, WAS IT JUST LAST MONTH? GOD, IT FEELS LIKE AN ETERNITY AGO.UM, IT WAS PROBABLY ACTUALLY ONLY TWO WEEKS AGO, WASN'T IT?
UM, BUT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK PART OF THAT IS THAT CITY COUNCIL SEES THAT STRUGGLE EXTERNALLY AND SAYS, WELL, WHAT THE HECK ARE THEY DOING? LIKE, WHAT, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? AND IF THERE ARE ALL THESE THINGS THAT IS MORE MUSEUM FUNCTION, THEN I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THAT IDEA OF PASS THE WHOLE THING OFF ON THE, ON THE MUSEUM CAME FROM MM-HMM.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE CODIFIED TO DO AS THE HPC THAT THE MUSEUM CANNOT DO AND CAN NEVER DO.
AND SO I THINK ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT CONVERSATION, THAT RECENT, RECENT CONVERSATION, WE REALLY NEED TO STICK TO WHAT IS IT THAT WE ARE.
AND I THINK, UM, STEVE JUST USED A PHRASE THAT I'M TOTALLY BLANKING ON NOW, BUT LIKE, WE'RE, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY IN A SHOW, A SHOW ME PHASE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
LIKE, SHOW ME THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO THE WORK.
UM, AND SO WHILE I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MERIT IN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH HAVING SOME SORT OF A, OKAY, THERE'S A LANDMARKING, BUT THEN THERE'S SOME SORT OF OTHER DESIGNATION.
I THINK THERE'S MERIT TO THAT, AND I THINK THERE'S MERIT IN THAT DISCUSSION.
BUT I DO THINK THAT AS A COMMISSION, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE LANDMARKING AND WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
HERE'S MY QUESTION I WOULD ASK IS, YEAH, WHAT WOULD SUCCESS LOOK LIKE TO THE CITY COUNCIL? MM-HMM.
AND IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SUCCESS LOOK LIKE, THEN YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO AND YOU'RE GONNA FAIL.
AND IT'S FAILURES KIND OF INEVITABLE SOMETIMES IF YOU CAN'T QUANTIFY EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.
SO IF WE CAN'T REALLY COME UP AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT, CAN WE DO THIS? WILL WE DO IT? UM, THEN, THEN I THINK WE'RE BACK AND FORTH THINKING, WELL, WHAT WILL MAKE AN, BUT I DO, I THINK THEY TOLD US THAT.
I, I THINK THEY TOLD US THAT WHEN THEY APPROVED THE LDC WELL, THE, THE LDC, WHETHER INTENTIONAL OR NOT YEAH.
I, I'M NOT SAYING THEY DIDN'T READ IT.
I, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING, BUT LIKE, WHETHER THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
I DO THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
AND WE THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING.
IS THAT REALLY THEIR UNDERSTANDING? DO THEY REALLY THINK, WOW, YOU GUYS NAILED IT.
YOU COVERED THE LDC AND WE'RE SO PROUD OF YOU.
OR ARE THEY STILL GONNA BE LIKE, WHAT DO YOU GUYS DO? YEAH.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO REPORT TO THEM ONCE A YEAR.
BUT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED TOO.
IT USED TO BE WE WERE PUT ON AN AGENDA.
WE WERE TOLD WE WERE GONNA BE ON MARCH 15TH, WE WERE TO PUT TOGETHER OUR, OUR STUFF, AND WE ALL WENT THERE AND WE DID IT.
AND IT WOULD BE A COUNCIL PRESENTATION.
IT'D BE A COUNCIL PRESENTATION.
AND I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FROM DAY ONE ON ALL THE COMMISSIONS I ON, THAT ALL, EVERY COMMISSION SHOULD BE WRITING A WHITE PAPER TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
NOT THE STAFF, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL SAYING, HERE'S WHAT WE DID.
HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED AND HERE'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND HERE'S OUR IDEAS OF OTHER THINGS.
LIKE, UH, THE HOUSING GROUP, THE HOUSING GROUP GETS TOGETHER, THEY TALK, THEY'RE NOT A COMMISSION, BUT THEY SOMEHOW, THEY GOTTA GET THEIR IDEAS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
OTHERWISE, WHY DO YOU DO IT? YEAH.
SO I'M ALL FOR, UM, TRYING TO MAKE THE CITY COUNCIL HAPPEN AND DOING OUR JOB, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO DEFINE 1, 2, 3, 4 THINGS WE'RE GONNA DO.
UM, AND MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE CLEARER.
WELL, LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST PICK THREE, ONE OR TWO OF THINGS WE KNOW WE CAN ACCOMPLISH.
MAYBE ONE OF IT IS GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE HOME WE'VE ALREADY DONE AND, AND, UH, AND WRITING A REPORT ON HOW IT IS NOW.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GOOD TO GO BACK AND DO ALL THESE THINGS AND THEN WALK AWAY AND THEN WE FIND OUT.
NO, BUT I THINK MY UNDERSTANDING AND, AND FOR THOSE WHO'VE BEEN INVOLVED, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS DOES TOO, IS IT UPDATES YOU ON EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE LANDMARKED AND EVERYTHING AND WHERE IT IS.
BUT WHO'S, WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON THAT THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE.
BUT, BUT TO STEVE'S POINT, UH, WE HAVE A PROPERTY THAT'S UP ON SNE HILL ROAD THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE.
WE NEED TO GET INTO THE PROPERTY IN ORDER TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT HAVE CHANGED IT.
WHICH ONE IS THAT? UH, WHAT IS THE GAS? I SAY GAS GASSY AWAY.
THAT I'VE BEEN IN THAT AND I, I WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT ONE.
AND, UM, THE OWNER OF IT, UH, HE UNDERSTANDS THE WHOLE PROGRAM AND HE HASN'T TOUCHED THE OUTSIDE.
AND HE, HE'S GONNA DO A LITTLE ON THE INSIDE, BUT HE HASN'T DONE, HE'S KIND OF JUST SITTING THERE WONDERING.
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UM, I AM TOOBUT, UH, BUT, UH, WHATEVER YOU, WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH, I THINK WE NEED TO COME UP AND SAY, OKAY, THIS YEAR WE DID THIS, THIS, THIS, AND NEXT YEAR WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, THIS, AND THIS.
AND, UH, SO LET'S PICK SOMETHING AND LET'S DO IT.
I DON'T MIND GOING OUT AND DRIVING AROUND AND LOOKING.
I DON'T HAVE TO JOB EVERYTHING OFF TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND THEN GET A BUDGET AND THEN GET ANOTHER DEAL.
I CAN GET IN THE CAR, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.
AND IF WE'VE GOT A, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE HAVE, BUT IF WE'VE GOT 20 OR 30 AND WE'RE GONNA GO SEE 'EM ALL, LET'S DO IT.
WELL, ANOTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST TIME WAS GETTING MORE INVOLVED WITH SHIPPO AND THEIR SERVICES.
THINGS THAT WE CAN DO WITH THEM AND THEY CAN DO FOR US.
AND, UH, AND I THINK WE NEED TO TRY AND MAP THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT AND, UH, AND FIND OUT MM-HMM,
BUT WHAT, WHAT DO YOU NEED THE MONEY FOR? MM-HMM.
WELL, BUT I'M TALKING MORE ABOUT EDUCATION.
UM, HAVING ARIANA COME, I THINK ONCE WE GET OUR NEW COMMISSIONERS IN PLACE.
UM, I THINK SHE SHOULD GIVE A TALK TO US AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS A BIG BROAD OVERVIEW.
BECAUSE I THINK WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY IS THAT GREAT POINT.
IF THE CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND THEY REALLY AREN'T BEHIND US, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE THEIR MIND? MM-HMM.
SO WE HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR MIND.
AND THE WAY WE DO THAT IS, IS SAY, LOOK AT, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF, OF THE LEGISLATURE HAS ASSIGNED TO LOCAL CITIES.
UH, IT, IT MAY JUST FUNCTION ALONG, BUT IT'S NECESSARY.
WELL, THE THING ABOUT IT IS, IS SHIPPO HAS OBVIOUSLY EVOLVED IN THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN A COMMISSIONER HERE.
I HAVE SEEN A BIG CHANGE WITH SHIPPO AND, AND I, AND A VERY PLEASANT CHANGE.
UH, BUT ALSO THEN THAT MEANS IF THEY'RE EVOLVING, WE NEED TO EVOLVE.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO, TO ZERO IN ON.
SO IF WE WERE TO PUT ON THAT, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO, UM, A JOINT SESSION TO CITY COUNCIL WITH SHIPPO, SHIPPO WOULD GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THEIR PROGRAM AND STATE PROGRAM.
SO THE CITY COMMISSIONERS, CITY COUNCIL KNOWS IT.
WE WERE TO GIVE A SUMMARY WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
IN OTHER WORDS, HERE'S THE NUMBER OF HOMES WE'VE DONE.
HERE'S SOME PICTURES, HERE'S SOME THINGS.
AND THEN HERE'S SOME THINGS WE'D LIKE TO DO.
I THINK TO ME, THE FIRST STEP IS, IS ALWAYS SELLING YOUR, YOUR PRODUCT.
WELL, THE, I, ANOTHER THING THAT I THINK IS INTERESTING SINCE THE, THE MUSEUM IS INVOLVED WITH US NOW, THE SOCIETY, UM, THAT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHIPPO HAS EVOLVED INTO IS THEY'RE REINFORCING, TELLING STORIES.
AND TO BE ABLE TO INTERFACE ALL THE PIECES, I THINK FOR US IS CRITICAL.
NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT.
I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD TO THAT
SO I THINK IF WE COULD SIT DOWN BY OUR NEXT MEETING AND COME UP WITH THREE THINGS WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH, YOU KNOW, NO, NOT ALL.
AND, AND NOT PIE IN THE SKY, BUT LIKE, AND THEN, AND IF YOU'VE GOT A DATE WHERE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION AND GET YOUR STUFF TOGETHER, I THINK THAT'S GOOD.
AND IF WE WERE TO SAY MAYBE BY NEXT APRIL, UH, WE COULD PUT TOGETHER A MEETING WITH THE CITY, THEN WE, WE'D WORK TOWARDS THAT.
WE'D PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION.
WE, MAYBE BY THEN WE COULD SAY WE REVIEWED ALL OUR PAST, UM, DESIGNATIONS.
AND WE'VE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE PEOPLE OR WHATEVER.
UH, I THINK WHAT THEY WANNA SEE IS STEPPING STONES OF PROGRESS.
THEY WANNA SEE US DOING SOMETHING.
I THINK YOU'RE A MILLION PERCENT RIGHT THERE.
THAT ACTUALLY GIVES ME A LOT TO GO BACK AND RESPOND TO IN THAT.
SO LET'S KEEP IT SIMPLE BUT DOABLE.
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ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ONE? NO STAFF HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO.UM, WELL I THINK THAT'S A, A GOOD SEGUE INTO THE BUDGET ON DISCUSSION OF THE BUDGET, WHICH, UH, I BELIEVE, YEP.
I BELIEVE THAT, UH, I WAS GONNA SAY, I BELIEVE THAT DONNA GAVE YOU COPIES OF, UH, A DRAFT HERE.
UM, AND WE CAN, UH, GO DOWN THESE LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM.
UM, THE, OBVIOUSLY THE FY 26 BUDGET ESTIMATE IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT INTO OUR NEXT BUDGET HERE, UH, FOR HPC.
UM, KNOWING THAT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO LANDMARK STRUCTURES.
UH, WE PUT IN $500 FOR THE PRINTING OF, UH, THE SURVEY COPIES.
UM, AND, UH, ANY FLYERS THAT, UH, GO AHEAD.
JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
LAST TIME YOU LOOKED AT THE FIGURES FOR THE 25 BUDGET AND INDICATED YOU FELT THOSE WOULD WORK FOR YOUR BUSINESS AS USUAL.
AND THAT'S WHAT THESE FIGURES ARE.
SO WE HAD NOT BUILT IN SOME OF THE UNKNOWNS AT THAT TIME, BUT THIS IS REALLY A DUPLICATE OF YOUR 25 BUDGET TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR ONGOING ROUTINE EXPENSE.
SO, SORRY, I JUST WANTED
UM, I'M LOOKING AT THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, SO I GUESS, UM, MUCH OF THE, UH, DOCUMENTATION FOR FLYERS FOR ADVERTISING THAT WOULD TYPICALLY COME FROM THE SOCIETY, UH, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CELEBRATIONS OF SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC PRESERVATION MODEL YEAH.
BUT THERE ARE, UM, LEMME SEE HERE, THERE, THERE MAY BE THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THE LANDMARKING OF THE PROPERTIES, UM, THAT WE MAY HAVE TO, UH, UH, HAVE MONIES FOR, FOR THE PRINTING OF, OF THOSE THINGS.
SO, UM, WE'VE ONLY USED $200 IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, SO, UM, NO, THAT'S THE AVERAGE OF WHAT WE USED.
IT'S PROBABLY AS GOOD AS ANY MM-HMM.
NOW THAT SOME OF THE, UH, RESPONSIBILITIES HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND THOSE NUMBERS WERE BASED UPON WHEN HBC DID HAVE SOME MORE RESPONSIBILITY.
THE, UH, WOULD IT HAVE BEEN, UH, FY 23 WHERE THE, THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY CONTRACT CAME IN? IS THAT WHEN IT WAS? I WANT TO SAY YES.
BECAUSE IT'S IN THE, I WANNA SAY IT'S IN THE LAST YEAR.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT TO, UM, UH, SOFTWARE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE MIGHT COME UP WITH SUCH AS, WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT WE CAN DO, UH, IF WE HAVE FILLABLE SOFTWARE, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, UM, PDFS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE COME ALONG IN 20 YEARS.
UM, EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS IN A BOOK, IN A BINDER.
AND THEY WOULD KNOW IF THERE'S A PROGRAM THAT CITIES ARE USING, ONE THEY RECOMMEND, ONE THEY RECOMMEND, AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT.
AND I THINK WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
'CAUSE WE'D HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
BUT I THINK IT PROBABLY IS TIME TO GET IT OFF OF PAPER AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT DIGITIZED.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SHIPPO, BUT THE STATE LIBRARY'S RETENTION SCHEDULE STILL CONSIDERS PAPER AS THE PRIMARY SOURCE.
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WELL, I THINK WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE PAPER.BUT IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO PULL SOMETHING UP AND SEE THAT DOCUMENT ON, ON A COMPUTER SCREEN, IT WOULD BE NICE.
I THINK ALSO IN TERMS OF CREATING IT, IT MAY BE THAT, THAT THE, THIS IS STILL THE END RESULT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF CREATING THE DOCUMENTATION TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER.
WELL, I WAS THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING IN THE FIELD, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE FILLABLE SOFTWARE AND, AND, AND PERHAPS USE IT WITH ONENOTE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE YOU COULD PUT IT IN A CELL PHONE OR A TABLET AND YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND DO A LOT OF THIS WORK IN THE FIELD.
BUT I, I I BET, I BET IT'S THERE BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE ANY MORE, ANY ANYTHING YOU WANT IS THERE, I'M SURE.
YOU COULD WALK RIGHT OUT THERE, TYPE IT IN, IT'S IN THE FILE AND YOU'RE DONE.
AND THEY'D GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND REFRESH.
WHEN WE HAVE A MEETING LIKE THIS.
OLD PICTURES NEXT TO NEW PICTURES.
THAT WOULD BE A LONG TERM GOAL.
I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH LOOKING AT.
SO IN THAT SENSE, THIS LOOKS GREAT,
I THINK THERE, I, WE CAN'T SPEND MUCH TIME ON THIS.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT MUCH MONEY AND I DON'T THINK WE'LL SPEND HALF OF IT.
I THINK BACK TO MY FIRST STATEMENT IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, UM, WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT THE UPDATE OF THAT SURVEY BOOK, UM, AND HIRING SOMEBODY LIKE NANCY TO DO SO, UH, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT $10,000 JUST FOR THAT.
THAT'S WHERE THAT CLG GRANT MONEY YEAH.
COULD REALLY, THAT'S, I I, I DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE CITY AND ASK FOR $10,000.
UM, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T MIND ASKING FOR A GRANT.
SO, UM, HOW DOES THE CITY HANDLE GRANT REQUESTS? WE HAVE A GRANT WRITER, GRANT
IS HIS NAME REALLY GREAT? OH,
UH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, I, I THINK PERHAPS ASKING SHIPPO, SHIPPO MAY, UM, GIVE US THE FORM.
WE CAN HAVE SOMEONE WRITE THAT.
UM, SO HOW DO WE APPROACH SHIPPO WITH ASKING FOR AVAILABLE GRANTS AND TIMELINES? WHO DOES THAT? BECAUSE GRANTS ARE USUALLY IN BETWEEN IN YOUR, IS THAT A THING OR A COMMISSIONER THING? I, I, I THINK EITHER WAY.
I THINK IT'S AN EASY PHONE CALL.
YOU KNOW, SO I THINK, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD FIND OUT IS LET'S GET A LIST OF THE NEXT TWO YEAR GRANT CYCLES.
AND THEN WE SHOULD PROBABLY AT OUR, AT A MEETING, LOOK AT THOSE GRANT CYCLES AND WE SHOULD DECIDE WHAT WE SHOULD GO AFTER AND THEN ASK THE CITY TO, AND THEN THEY'D PROBABLY ASK US FOR INPUT, BUT, MM-HMM.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO SHOW THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, THAT WE'RE NOT COMING UP AND ASKING FOR MONEY FROM THEM.
SO WITH THAT STATED, UM, THE MONIES THAT WE HAVE IN THERE RIGHT NOW, UH, SHOULD COVER THAT $2,500 SHOULD MORE THAN COVER TWO LANDSCAPE.
I DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE CITY AND ASK FOR MONEY OUT OF THE BUDGET FOR, FOR THE SURVEY.
SO IN TERMS OF LIKE A YEAR TO YEAR OPERATING BUDGET, THIS, THIS LOOKS, THIS LOOKS PRETTY GOOD TO ME.
ANY OTHER HARD DECISIONS TO MAKE? OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER FEENEY? NO, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING, ALTHOUGH, UM, SPECIAL SUPPLIES, I SEE A $1,200 ENTRY ON THAT.
I THINK WE USED TO USE THAT WHEN WE HAD, UM, A PARTY OR A REC AND WE'D BUY CAKES AND RIGHT.
LITTLE THINGS WHEN WE DID THAT CELEBRATION.
BUT THIS IS SPECIFICALLY RECOGNITION PLAQUES AND NAME PLATES.
AND, AND THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD SOME FLUCTUATION IN THAT AREA, SO, YOU KNOW, IS 1200 ENOUGH? IT SHOULD BE, YEAH.
I THINK 500 USUALLY IS ENOUGH FOR EACH PLATE.
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WE GET, WE GOT TALK AK TAKEN CARE OF? I, I HAVEN'T HEARD YES.BOTH TILL AND, UM, THE KIVA HOUSE.
HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY BEEN PUT UP? DO YOU KNOW? UH, I HAVE NOT VISUALLY, WENDY, WENDY CAN DO HER OWN.
UM, I DID ASK, UH, THE OWNERS OF THE KIVA HOUSE AND THEY SAID THAT THEY HAD SOMEBODY THAT WOULD PUT IT UP.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE PLAQUES? WE WERE SUPPOSED TO MAYBE GET UPTOWN THAT THE CITY COULDN'T INSTALL? SO I'VE HAD, UH, SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS, UM, WITH THE SON-IN-LAW OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AND THERE'S REALLY BEEN NO INTEREST.
UM,
SO THEY'RE IN MY OFFICE AND, AND WE HAVE PUT THE COATING OVER THE TOP OF THEM.
UM, YOU WANT ME TO TRY TALKING TO 'EM? YOU COULD.
I MEAN, THEY'RE ALREADY APPROVED, BOUGHT IT, PAID FOR.
WELL, YOU, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE POINT IS, IS WE DID ALL THIS RIGAMAROLE FOR A REASON.
YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS TO PUT A PLAQUE ON THE BUILDING, AND SO I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT.
JUST GO BACK INTO A, A BACK STORE ROOM.
I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, SOME OF THE DISCUSSION, AND MAYBE THIS IS THE REASON WHY, UM, THE INTEREST KIND OF WANED, UM, WAS THAT, UH, I TOLD HIM THAT THE COMMISSION WANTED TO SEE IT ON THE OUTSIDE.
UM, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS, UH, THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, THEIR CHOICE WAS ELSEWHERE.
SO SHOULD WE JUST SEND HIM AN EMAIL GIVING HIM AN ULTIMATUM? WE WENT THROUGH THIS AND WE'D LIKE TO INSTALL IT.
COULD YOU GIVE US A DATE AND WE'D HAVE SOMEBODY HELP DO IT AND SEE WHAT HIS RESPONSE WOULD BE.
IN OTHER WORDS, IN OTHER WORDS, BRING IT TO A HEAD.
ACTUALLY THIS, BUT IF WHO WANTS TO INSTALL IT, I'LL GO UP AND INSTALL IT.
THIS WAS A SIGNIFICANT, AND SO THE QUESTION IS, WHY NOT LET THEM INSTALL IT WHERE THEY WANT TO INSTALL IT? THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING FOR DISCUSSION.
WELL THEN WHY DON'T WE JUST ASK THEM WHERE IT'S INSTALLED, WHERE THEY LIKE IT INSTALLED, AND CAN WE DROP THE BLACK OFF? MM-HMM.
AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS BUG 'EM IN THREE MONTHS SAYING, CAN WE COME UP AND SEE IT? YEAH.
FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. MONDAY, DECEMBER 9TH, 2024 AT 4:00 PM IS OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING.
UM, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY THROWN OUT A COUPLE THINGS WE CAN DISCUSS AT THAT POINT.
UM, CAN HAVE A SIMPLE PLAN READY TO GO.
UH, WE CAN, UH, UH, WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE THE CLG GRANT INFO READY TO GO, AND I THINK THE SOONER WE MOVE ON THAT THE BETTER.
UM, AND, UH, ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDED TO THAT, UH, AGENDA NEXT TIME? UM, HAVE WE GOT NEW COMMISSIONERS? UM, CAN WE ANSWER THAT QUESTION?
UM, I CAN TELL YOU, I, I, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY WORD.
SO I CAN TELL YOU THEN THAT WE ARE SCHEDULED FOR INTERVIEWS, UH, WITH CANDIDATES.
I'M SCHEDULED FOR INTERVIEWS WITH THE CANDIDATES AND THE MAYOR.
UM, UH, AND I BELIEVE THE VICE MAYOR ON NOVEMBER 14TH.
WE DON'T NEED TO GO INTO ONE, I DON'T THINK, DO WE? NO.