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MY APOLOGIES TO THE COMMISSION AND STAFF FOR BEING LATE.
THIS IS, UH, THE CITY OF SEDONA PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
THE DATE IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH, 2024.
PLEASE ALL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
ALLEGIANCE STOOD THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND COMMISSIONER WHEEL AND KY ARE EXCUSED.
[2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF]
TWO, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF COMMISSIONERS,OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, WE ARE RE-ADVERTISING FOR A COUPLE OF VACANCIES ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
WE CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT WISH TO SERVE, THAT HAVE SKILLS IN CONSTRUCTION OR DESIGN OR ARCHITECTURE.
AND IF YOU, UH, CAN THINK OF ANY INDIVIDUALS YOU'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND TO APPLY, PLEASE DO SO.
GEORGE HAS AGREED TO STAY AT LEAST THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR, UM, AND OR, BUT MAYBE NOT, AND OR UNTIL HIS, UH, HIS VACANCY IS FILLED.
BUT I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT GEORGE IS ON BOARD AT LEAST UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR.
[3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES, OCTOBER 1ST, 2024, REGULAR MEETING, AND OCTOBER 1ST, 2024 SITE VISIT.ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS TO THESE MINUTES? NO.
IF NOT, UH, THEY STAND APPROVED.
CLOSE THAT AGENDA ITEM AND MOVE ON TO NUMBER FOUR,
[4. PUBLIC FORUM]
PUBLIC FORUM.THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENT IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS SECTION 38 DASH 4 3 1 H.
ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
I HAVE NO CARDS, NO INDIVIDUALS WISH TO SPEAK TONIGHT, SO I WILL CLOSE THAT.
[5.a. Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for a Development Review for construction of a 30-unit affordable housing project at 2250 Shelby Drive (Villas on Shelby). The subject property is zoned Industrial (IN), is ±1.03 acres, and is located southeast of the intersection of Shelby Dr. and Stanley Steamer Dr. APN: 408-28-103F. ]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES, A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A 30 UNIT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT AT 2 2 5 0 SHELBY DRIVE.THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL.
IT'S PLUS OR MINUS 1.03 ACRES AND IS LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF SHELBY DRIVE AND STANLEY STEAMER DRIVE, ARIZONA PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 8 DASH 28 DASH ZERO THREE F.
THIS IS CASE NUMBER PC 24 0 0 0 0 6.
DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS REPRESENTED BY BONNIE HARBA AND NAT SHOEMAKER.
THANK YOU CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I JUST HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION AND BONNIE HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL FOR YOU.
SO, UM, AS THE CHAIR JUST READ, THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROPOSAL FOR A 30 OH, SHOULD BE 30, SORRY, I DUNNO.
UM, THE PROPERTY IS ZONE INDUSTRIAL AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS CFA.
THIS IS WITHIN THE SUNSET LIVEWORK CFA.
I HAD A PLAN ADOPTED, UM, BACK IN APRIL OF 2019.
THIS PLAN INCLUDED, UH, VARIOUS DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THAT CFA PLAN.
THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BACK IN MAY OF THIS YEAR, ALLOWING FOR INCREASED HEIGHT, UH, LARGER UNRELIEVED BUILDING PLANES AND INCREASED BUILDING LENGTH TO, UM, ALLOW FOR THE PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD AS IT'S CURRENTLY DESIGNED.
AND SO THE, UM, THE STAFF REPORT AND THE EVALUATION STAFF'S EVALUATION OF THE PROJECT WERE, WAS BASED ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH THOSE MODIFICATIONS THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
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AT THIS LOCATION HERE, UM, OFF OF SHELBY DRIVE.THE SOUTH END OF SHELBY DRIVE WITHIN THE AAA INDUSTRIAL AREA IS THE OFFICIAL NAME OF THIS AREA.
UM, RIGHT NOW THE PROPERTY IS VACANT.
IT HAS, UM, AS YOU SAW THIS MORNING, IT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY GRADED AND KIND OF FLATTENED, BUT THERE ARE NO STRUCTURES ON THE BUILDING OR ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
THE SITE PLAN IS AS SHOWN HERE WITH SHELBY DRIVE TO THE SOUTH.
YOU HAVE THE BUILDINGS HERE ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE AND THE WEST AND NORTH.
UM, OH, THE ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING ARE AS SHOWN HERE.
UM, IT IS A THREE STORY BUILDING WITH THAT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT ALLOWED BY COUNCIL, UM, WITH 10 UNITS ON EACH LEVEL OF THE BUILDING.
THIS WOULD BE THREE IDENTICAL LEVELS STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
UM, SO WE LOOKED AT THIS AND EVALUATED IT FOR COMPLIANCE WITH INDUSTRIAL, THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT STANDARDS WITH THE SUNSET LIVE WORK CFA PLAN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN ARTICLE FIVE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH, AS I MENTIONED, THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WERE APPROVED BY COUNSEL.
WE LOOKED AT THEIR PROPOSED SIGNS AND THEN THE FINDINGS THAT ARE IN ARTICLE EIGHT.
UM, THE APPLICANT DID COMPLETE THEIR CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN.
THE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN ON OUR WEBSITE AND WE DID ALL OF THE REQUIRED NOTICING.
AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS ONE COMMENT THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE, WE CAN ANSWER THAT.
UM, BUT BASED ON OUR REVIEW, AGAIN, WHICH IS MUCH MORE DETAILED IN THE PACKET, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT AND BONNIE IS HERE AS WELL.
AND SHE HAS A SHORT PRESENTATION TOO.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SIT AT THE TABLE? SURE, I CAN.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND AFFILIATION AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
I WORK WITH HS DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS.
SO I'M HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE VILLAGE ON SHELBY.
UM, I'M GONNA HAVE SOME REPETA REPETITION FROM YOU, SO I APOLOGIZE.
UM, IT IS, UH, A 30 UNIT, A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND PARTNERING WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA.
IT'S, UM, BEEN A LONG TIME COMING PROJECT THAT WE'RE HAPPY THAT WE'RE FINALLY HERE.
SO, UM, AGAIN, IT'S 30 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THE, UM, RENTAL INCOMES WILL BE SET AT 60% OF THE AREA MEDIUM INCOME IN YAVAPI COUNTY.
THE AREA MEDIUM INCOME IS 85,300.
SO WE WILL BE PROVIDING HOUSING FOR RESIDENTS THAT MAKE BETWEEN 34,860 AND 49,800.
SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT, UM, STREAM OF NEEDED HOUSING FOR THESE TYPES OF INDIVIDUALS IN THIS COMMUNITY.
THERE WILL BE 24 1 BEDROOM UNITS.
THE RENT LIMIT WILL BE 8 62 FOR ONE BEDROOMS AND SIX THREE BEDROOM UNITS FOR MORE FAMILY DESIGNATED RESIDENTS AT 1188 NET RENT PER MONTH.
THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION WILL BE HIGH QUALITY.
YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL ANY DIFFERENCE WHETHER IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IT'LL LOOK LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEING BUILT.
AND IT'S A 30 YEAR AFFORDABLE AFFORDABILITY PERIOD AT 60% A MI.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE AN AT A LONG TERM AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
WE'RE HOPING TO CLOSE, UM, IN DECEMBER AND START CONSTRUCTION IN JANUARY.
UM, WE'RE ANTICIPATING A 12 TO 14 MONTH CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE.
WE WILL HAVE ONSITE MANAGEMENT WITH A LOCAL OFFICE, AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THIS PROJECT WILL LEASE UP IMMEDIATELY.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO HOLD A LOTTERY FOR ELIGIBLE RESIDENTS, UM, JUST BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT THE DEMAND IS GOING TO BE VERY HIGH FOR THIS PROJECT.
SOME OF THE ELIGIBLE RESIDENTS THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE AT THIS PROJECT.
UM, HOSPITALITY WORKERS, GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES, UM, NEW TEACHERS, SERVICE INDUSTRY, UM, FIREFIGHTERS,
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EMT RESIDENTS.AND, UM, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.
AS YOU KNOW, THERE IS A HIGH NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE.
HERE IS A RENDERING OF THE SITE PLAN.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S A THREE STORY WALKUP, 42 ON SITE PARKING SPACES.
16 OF THOSE PARKING SPACES WILL BE COVERED.
WE'LL HAVE ON ONSITE PLAYGROUND, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE WASHERS AND DRYERS IN EVERY UNIT.
WE'LL HAVE LOUNGE, COMMUNITY SPACE, A FITNESS ROOM, AND ONSITE MANAGEMENT AND MAINTENANCE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? UM, CAN I ASK YOU ONE ON YOUR ELIGIBILITY LIST, UM, IF YOU'RE WITHIN AN INCOME RANGE? YES.
IS BASICALLY ANYONE ELIGIBLE? YES.
BECAUSE THERE WAS A LIST AND I THOUGHT, WELL, SOMEHOW NO, YOU'RE A LA LANDSCAPER THAT DOES THIS.
I JUST GAVE EXAMPLES OF AS EXAMPLES.
OF SOME RESIDENTS OR SOME INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD QUAL THEIR INCOMES WERE IN THAT RANGE.
AND WE CONDUCTED A STUDY ON DIFFERENT, UH, JOB AVAILABILITY IN THE SEDONA AREA AND WHO WOULD QUALIFY TO LIVE.
AND SOME THOSE WERE SOME OF THEM.
BUT YEAH, LANDSCAPERS, I MEAN, ANY, ANYONE CAN QUALIFY AS LONG AS THEIR INCOME IS IN THAT RANGE AND THEY DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A MILLION DOLLARS OF ASSETS IN THE BANK, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY WILL QUALIFY TO LIVE HERE.
YOU WANNA FOLLOW UP? NOT ON THAT, BUT I, I DID HAVE A QUESTION.
DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? UM, I HAVE MULTIPLES, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF NOW'S THE TIME TO GET INTO IT OR
AND THEN WE'LL RESERVE OUR QUESTIONS TILL THAT TIME WHEN YOU'RE DONE.
SO I JUST PROVIDED, UM, OTHER IMAGES, WHICH HAS, I'M SURE YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN OF THE SITE PLAN.
UM, JUST FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES.
SO I'LL JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH THESE.
I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN THIS.
YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE LOUNGE, THE MAINTENANCE AREA, THE OFFICES FITNESS AREA.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, IT IS A STACKABLE PRODUCT.
SO EACH FLOOR REPLICATES ITSELF EXCEPT FOR THE, COULD I INTERRUPT YOU? I HAD DIFFICULTY WITH THE SCALE AND I BORROWED MY HUSBAND'S MODELING MICROSCOPIC MAGNIFICATION.
TO TRY TO READ THE PROJECT DATA.
CARRIE, DO YOU HAVE A POINTER BY ANY CHANCE? SO WHEN SHE SAYS, YOU KNOW, POINTS OUT THE, I CAN WALK UP HERE AND POINT IT OUT TO YOU.
ARE YOU LOOKING AT THIS SCREEN? WE CAN LOOK AT BOTH.
DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT? OKAY.
UM, SO THAT ONE MIGHT NOT SHOW UP.
SO HERE, UM, HERE'S MY POINTER, IF YOU CAN SEE IT.
THIS WILL BE FOR MAINTENANCE, UM, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STORAGE.
AGAIN, THE FITNESS CENTER HERE.
CAN YOU SEE THAT OKAY? ROUGHLY? IS THAT HELPFUL? NO, NO.
GENERALLY, I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THOSE ARE NOW.
SO THEN, UM, HERE, THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO THIS WHERE THIS ROOFTOP DECK IS, THAT IS WHERE THE, THE AMENITIES ARE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
SO THAT'S THE, UNDERNEATH THIS DECK AREA IS WHERE THOSE OFFICES AND FITNESS AREA ARE.
AND THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR HERE.
UM, AND IT JUST SHOWS THE LAYOUT OF THE UNITS.
AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL ONE BEDROOMS AND THEN THE THREE BEDROOMS HERE.
AND IT'S THE SAME ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
ONE BEDROOMS AND THREE BEDROOMS. THESE ARE SOME, UH, UP CLOSE UNIT LAYOUTS.
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THERE'S, UH, THIS IS THE THREE BEDROOM LAYOUT HERE.KITCHEN, DINING, LIVING, AND THEN THE THREE BEDROOMS AND A BALCONY HERE.
ONE BEDROOM UNIT BEDROOM IS IMMEDIATELY UPON ENTRANCE.
UM, BATHROOM, KITCHEN, DINING BALCONY.
THIS ONE BEDROOM HERE, THIS IS, UH, ON THE END OF THE BUILDING.
IT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT MORE ADDITIONAL SPACE.
UM, WALK-IN A BATH LIVING AREA.
BALCONY, UH, THEY ALL HAVE STORAGE OFF THE BALCONY AS WELL.
WELL, THE ONE BEDROOM UNITS DO SOME RENDERINGS FOR THE ELEVATIONS.
COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT? YEAH, LAST ONE, SORRY.
SO THE ENTRANCE IS ON THE, I I CAN'T SEE WHAT ELEVATION THAT ARE.
ARE THOSE BOTH NORTH ELEVATIONS? SO THE BOTTOM ONE WOULD BE THE WEST ELEVATION.
SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT WOULD BE SEEN FROM THE PARKING LOT? YES.
AND THAT'S THE ENTRANCE ON THE WEST SIDE? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
SOUTH AND EAST ELEVATION HERE.
SO LET'S SEE, THIS IS THE SOUTH WOULD BE THE ONE THAT'S VISIBLE FROM SHELBY DRIVE.
AND THEN THE EAST ONE WOULD BE THE, UM, THE STORAGE BUILDINGS ON YES.
WHERE THE BALCONIES ARE LOCATED.
COULD YOU POINT OUT WHICH WINDOWS MIGHT NEED TO BE INCREASED IN SIZE? SO THAT WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, SO THE, THE UPPER ONE.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE NEED A LITTLE MORE CLEAR DATA.
UM, AND IF ANYTHING, THE WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR MIGHT NEED TO BE SLIGHTLY INCREASED.
THE, JUST THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION? THIS IS THE, YOU HAVE BEEN TO THE SITE, BUT HERE'S THE PHYSICAL LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY ON SHELBY.
AND AS YOU KNOW, IT'S PROXIMITY TO SUNSET PARK.
AND AGAIN, IT'S IN THE SUNSET CFA PLAN.
AND THEN WHEN WE ARE ON SITE TODAY, WE TALKED ABOUT ANY ADDITIONAL VACANT LOTS.
HERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE OTHER VACANT LOT WAS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT.
WILL, UH, FIRST OF ALL, JUST ON THAT UPPER DECK, WHO CAN USE THE, UH, THE DECK? I'M SORRY, THERE'S A DECK.
IS THAT SOMETHING EVERYBODY CAN USE, UH, THAT LIVES THERE, OR, UM, I THINK THOSE ARE DIMENSIONS.
YOU SAID IT WAS OVER THE OFFICE AREA.
UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE ENDED UP WITH THE DECK, BUT YES.
UM, I, I'M NOT, I DON'T RECALL IF WE ENDED UP KEEPING IN AN OPEN SPACE FOR DECK, IT WOULD BE OPEN TO ALL RESIDENTS, THOUGH.
THERE WOULDN'T BE, NO, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY RESTRICTIONS.
HOW WOULD YOU ACCESS IT? UM, OFF THE, THE, UM, THIS IS ALL OPEN.
SO HERE'S STAIRWELL HERE, AND THIS IS ALL OPEN.
AND THEN JUST ONE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, UH, EV HOOKUPS.
IS THERE ANY PRE-WIRING? IS THERE GOING TO BE AN EV CHARGER OF ANY KIND? UM, AVAILABLE? UM, WELL, UM, WE HAD TALKED WITH THE CITY TO PROVIDE, UM, THEY RECEIVED A GRANT FOR EV HOOKUPS.
AND, UM, WE'VE DISCUSSED USING OUR SITE FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY, AND WE HAVE AGREED TO DO THAT.
SO, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD ONE THING ABOUT THE GRANT.
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NOT BEEN AWARDED YET.ANYTHING MORE? WILL, UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
UM,
I GUESS, UH, UH, VERY FIRST THING IS JUST MY OPINION, UM, ON THE PROCESS HERE.
UM, SO I'M NOT REAL HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, I BLAME MYSELF TOO.
I MEAN, SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT ALLOWED THIS PROJECT TO BE BUILT THIS WAY, WE APPROVED THROUGH THE, UM, THE CFA AND ALSO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND BACK WHEN WE WERE DOING THAT, AND I WAS A NEWBIE, UH, SO I, I KIND OF BLAME MYSELF, BUT THE FACT THAT, UH, WE'RE ALLOWING A DEVELOPMENT GRANTED A VERY WORTHY DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITH, UH, UH, ZERO DENSITY GUIDELINES REALLY, REALLY BOTHERS ME.
AND I THINK IT SETS A PRECEDENT FOR OTHER PROPERTIES LIKE THIS IN SEDONA.
AND I PROBABLY WON'T BE ON THE, UH, THE COMMISSION WHEN THIS COMES FORWARD AGAIN, BUT HOPEFULLY THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT OCCUR IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S DANGEROUS, DANGEROUS PRECEDENT TO ALLOW, UH, PROJECTS TO BE BUILT WITH, UH, ZERO DENSITY LIMITATIONS.
WE HAVE THE PROJECT HERE, IT IS WHAT IT IS, AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY NOT A WHOLE LOT TO DO ABOUT IT.
BUT, UM, NO, BUT KIND OF MY RANT.
UM, ALSO, UH, WELL, A COUPLE OTHER THINGS.
UM, Q AND A, I'VE SEEN DIFFERENT ACREAGES FOR THE SITE.
I'VE SEEN 1.02, I'VE SEEN 1.17.
SO THE 1.28, I JUST UPDATED THAT ON A, ON A RECENT SURVEY THAT WE, 1.28, I JUST RECEIVED AN UPDATED SURVEY.
DOES THAT INCLUDE THE LITTLE TRIANGULAR PIECE THAT SHOWS UP? IT DOES, YES.
AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE DISCREPANCY.
AND THERE WAS ALSO, THE CITY RECENTLY REBUILT THE ROAD.
SO THE ROAD USED TO BE THE PROPERTY LINES USED TO GO TO THE CENTER OF THE ROAD.
UM, AND THEN WHEN WE WENT THROUGH AND DID THAT, OKAY, WE TOOK THE ROAD.
SO THERE MAY BE SOME NUMBERS THAT ARE FROM PRIOR TO US TAKING A CHUNK OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE ROAD.
UM, DO YOU THINK THERE'S A REAL NEED FOR A PLAYGROUND HERE, UH, WITH ONE BEDROOM UNITS? DO YOU THINK THERE'LL BE CHILDREN IN THE ONE BEDROOM UNITS? I MEAN, I THINK THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR THERE TO BE SOME CHILDREN AT THE SITE, DEFINITELY.
IT, I, I JUST LOOKED AT AND I WONDERED, YOU KNOW, WHO WOULD BE GOING TO THE PLAYGROUND.
GRANTED WITH THE THREE BEDROOM, THERE'D BE MORE CHILDREN, BUT I SURE.
AND WITH SUNSET PARK RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
I JUST WONDERED ABOUT THE USE, REALLY NOT MY BUSINESS.
UM, AND THE BALCONIES, WILL THERE BE GRILLS AND SO FORTH ON THE BALCONIES NOT PROVIDED? OR WILL THERE BE LIMITED? WELL, I MEAN, I, I GUESS IT'S MORE OF A FIRE CODE ISSUE.
IT IS IDENT, I'M SORRY, STEVE MERTIS, UH, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT IS PART OF THE FIRE CODE AND THERE ARE ALLOWANCES AND REQUIREMENTS OKAY.
UM, I WONDER ABOUT, OH, WONDER ABOUT FIVE OR SIX YEARS FROM NOW AFTER PROJECT'S BUILT AND OCCUPIED AND THERE'S ONGOING ACTIVITY AT THE RECYCLING CENTER, UH, IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE ARE GONNA BE COMPLAINTS ABOUT ODORS OR NOISE AND SO FORTH.
SO, UH, UH, WHETHER IT'S COMPATIBLE NEIGHBORS OR NOT, I WONDER HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK IN THE FUTURE.
WELL, GIVEN THE, UM, INCOME AND RENT LIMITS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING HOUSING FOR, UM, THIS CAN BE A LIFE CHANGING PROJECT FOR INDIVIDUALS IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT HAVE NO PLACE TO LIVE.
UM, AND SO I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE LEAST THINGS THAT THEY WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT GIVEN THE NEED AND THE DEMAND IN THIS COMMUNITY.
THINGS CHANGE AND, YOU KNOW, CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT I JUST HOPE IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE RECYCLING
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CENTER SINCE WE ALL NEED IT AND CHERISH IT.HAVING THE AESTHETIC OF THIS BUILDING, I FEEL LIKE IT'S VERY UNATTRACTIVE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S MORE FOR CITY STAFF TO DETERMINE, BUT, UH, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING I WOULD'VE SEEN SEEN IN THE SIXTIES IN CHICAGO FOR PUBLIC HOUSING.
AND IT JUST SEEMS VERY STARK TO ME.
SO WE DESIGNED THIS PROJECT TWICE.
UM, THE FIRST TIME WE WORKED WITH A MEMBER OF THE STAFF THAT IS NO LONGER EMPLOYED HERE.
UM, AND WE WERE DIRECTED TO THIS, UH, FACADE.
AND IT'S IN THE CFA GUIDELINES, UH, VERY SPECIFIC DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE CFA.
SO IF THAT'S A CONCERN, THEN THE CFA SHOULD BE REEVALUATED.
NOW THAT'S BEYOND WHAT I'M GONNA DO.
OR JUST SAY THAT OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, THE COUPLE THINGS THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED AS THE EXCEPTIONS THAT CITY COUNCIL GRANTED, IT MEETS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS.
I JUST ENVISION A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY SAYING, HOW IS THIS BUILT? HOW IS THIS APPROVED CONSIDERING THE NITPICKING WE GO THROUGH WITH OTHER PROJECTS.
UM, MY LAST THING, IT REALLY ISN'T ANY OF MY BUSINESS, BUT, UM, HOW DO YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE PROJECT AND THE SIZE AND THE RENTS AND SO FORTH, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW IS A PRIVATE DEVELOPER THIS WORKS FINANCIALLY.
ARE THERE SUBSIDIES OR ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE, THERE'S, THERE'S NO RENTAL SUBSIDIES, BUT WE RECEIVED A SUB SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM THE STATE YES.
SO CONSTRUCTION IS BEING SUBSIDIZED.
CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT CONSTRUCTION COST? CORRECT.
THAT THIS IS A, A LITECH PROJECT, WHICH IS LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROJECT.
SO WE'LL RECEIVE $6 MILLION FROM A TAX CREDIT INVESTOR, AND THE STATE IS CONTRIBUTING $5 MILLION TO THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
IT'S A, THE, THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE ABOUT 15 MILLION.
AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PERSON ON STAFF? CORRECT.
AND YOU'LL HAVE MAINTENANCE CREWS, OBVIOUSLY YES.
FOR DAY-TO-DAY EVENTS AND SO FORTH? CORRECT.
AND THAT'S ALL COVERED IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? IN OUR PLAN? YES.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
I WANNA BUILD ON A FEW OF YOUR POINTS.
HOW DID YOU DETERMINE THE MIX OF ONE BEDROOM AND, AND THREE? SO THIS WAS AN ORIGINAL 9% LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROJECT WHERE WE, UH, APPLIED FOR FUNDING FROM THE STATE OF ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING, A DOH.
AND THAT WAS A REQUIREMENT FROM A DOH, UH, THE MIX.
THEY HAD A REQUIREMENT OF A PERCENTAGE OF THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
AND I ASSUME THAT, THAT OUR HOUSING MANAGER, UM, CONCURRED WITH THAT MIX, THAT THAT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR NEED HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST A STATE STANDARD AT THE TIME.
THERE'S ALSO JUST A NEED FOR EVERYTHING.
UM, AND SO WHEN WE DID A, WE DID A HOUSING WORK SESSION WITH COUNCIL EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND WE DID ASK THEM DID THEY HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR WHAT TYPES OF UNITS? AND THEY BASICALLY SAID, WE WANT ANYTHING.
THEY SAID MAYBE IN, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING UNITS, UM, A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WE MIGHT LOOK INTO WHAT IS APPROPRIATE.
BUT SINCE THERE'S SUCH A STRONG NEED FOR EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW, UM, WE'RE NOT BEING PICKY ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
I JUST WANT, THERE'S SUCH A PREPONDERANCE OF ONE BEDROOM AND, AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER HOW MANY, WELL, GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE LOT, YEAH.
OUR GOAL WAS TO GET AS MANY UNITS AS POSSIBLE.
IT'S A, THIS IS A VERY SMALL PROJECT, 30 UNITS.
AND, UM, WE HAD TO HAVE THE THREE BEDROOM UNITS TO GET FUNDING FROM THE STATE.
$5 MILLION FROM THE STATE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDS.
IT WAS, YOU KNOW, NECESSARY TO HAVE TO EVEN MAKE THIS A VIABLE PROJECT.
SO THE THREE BEDROOMS WAS A REQUIREMENT, THE ONE BEDROOMS, IT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, OUT OF NECESSITY IN TERMS OF GETTING AS MANY UNITS ON THE SIDE AS WE COULD.
SO PRESUMABLY THE, UH, ONE BEDROOM, THERE WOULD BE A COUPLE
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OR TWO INDIVIDUALS, CORRECT.SO WHAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL POPULA POTENTIAL POPULATION SERVED BY THIS? IF YOU, I'D SAY YOU COULD HAVE ANYWHERE UP TO A HUNDRED INDIVIDUALS LIVING HERE IF YOU HAVE TWO BEDROOM OR A TWO PER UNIT.
AND THEN THE THREE BEDROOM UNITS YOU COULD HAVE.
'CAUSE YOU CAN HAVE UP TO FIVE IN A THREE BEDROOM UNIT.
UM, WILL YOU HAVE ANY LIMITATIONS IN TERMS OF WHO LIVES HERE? I MEAN, COULD WE HAVE THREE FAMILIES LIVING IN THE THREE BEDROOM UNITS WITH NO.
WE WILL HAVE LIMITATIONS ON THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS LIVING IN A UNIT.
WILL THERE BE, COULD THERE BE MULTIPLE FAMILIES LIVING IN A UNIT? UM, SO IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, A FAMILY WITH A PARENT.
SO I MEAN, TECHNICALLY YOU COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S DIFFERENT.
BUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THREE OR FOUR FAMILIES IN A THREE BEDROOM UNIT.
UM, COULD YOU, FIRST OF ALL, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THEY'RE ONE BEDROOM INSTEAD OF STUDIOS.
UM, COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS FOR THE ONE BEDROOM AND THE THREE BEDROOM? YES.
THEY RANGE FROM ABOUT SIX 50 TO 700 SQUARE FOOT.
AND THE TWO BEDROOMS ARE 1190 MM-HMM.
UM, ARE THESE ALL ELECTRIC OR IS THERE GAS ON THE PROPERTY? THERE IS NO GAS.
UM, JUST BUILDING ON SOMETHING, UM, GEORGE HAD SAID ABOUT THE, TO TOT LOT UHHUH AND THE PROXIMITY TO SUNSET PARK IN THE FUTURE, IF THAT, IF THAT, UH, IS OPENED UP AND MADE, YOU KNOW, IS IS A NICE ACCESS POINT.
IT MIGHT TURN OUT THAT THAT AREA WOULD BE BETTER USED FOR AND SAFER FOR BARBECUE PITS AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, PLAYGROUND.
A LITTLE PLAYGROUND IF THERE'S SOME PLAYGROUND THAT, BUT I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE GAS, SO, OKAY.
UM, I WISH WE HAD SEEN A STORYBOARD OR SOMETHING.
AND IF WE COULD SEE SOME FINISHED MATERIALS YEAH.
WHICH WE CAN'T, UM, AT, AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT I JUST HOPE THAT IT'S, SO IT'S ALL STUCCO.
AND SO THEY PROVIDED THE COLORS, WHICH WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK UP IN OUR COLOR BOOKS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THERE WASN'T A SEPARATE BOARD BECAUSE IT'S JUST, THERE'S NOT MULTIPLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MATERIALS.
IT'S STUCCO AND THEY'RE ALL COMPLIANT COLORS.
ARE, IS THERE ANY METAL ACCENTS OR WOOD ACCENTS OR ANY KIND OF IN THE RAILINGS? YEAH, THE RAILINGS BE METAL.
WELL, UM, ARE THERE WASHER DRYER HOOKUPS? WE'RE PROVIDING WASHER DRYERS.
I SAW THAT IT LOOKED LIKE TWO WASHERS AND TWO DRYERS WE'RE PROVIDING IN EVERY UNIT.
YOU DO HAVE WASHER DRYER HOOKUPS AND THE WASHER DRYERS.
UM, AND THE PARAPET, THERE WERE TWO THINGS I UNDERSTAND.
WE'RE UP AGAINST THE END OF DECEMBER DEADLINE BEFORE YOU'D NEED AN EXTENSION.
BUT, UM, SO THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FIGURED OUT YET.
ONE WAS THE WINDOW SIZE, THE TRANSPARENCY, AND THE OTHER WAS THE PARAPET, THE HEIGHT.
N NO, THAT WAS ALL FIGURED OUT.
THAT WAS ONE THING THAT THEY DID FIX.
AND SO THE, THE FINAL ELEVATIONS LOOK SLIGHT, IT'S SLIGHTLY LOWER, UM, UM, THAN THIS WITH, UM, THE SCREENING FOR THE UNIT, THE ROOFTOP ACS BEING AT THE CENTER.
IF, IF WHAT HAS TO GIVE IS THE PARAPET ITSELF.
THEN WERE THE YEAH, THERE'S STILL SCREENING.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER CONDITION WAS THAT WE JUST, THAT THE LIGHTING PLAN DIDN'T SHOW THE MAXIMUM OF A 12 FOOT POLE.
'CAUSE I MEAN THREE STORY AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO THREE STORY NOW THAT'S, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING NEW
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OR PRETTY NEW.SO ANYTHING THAT STICKS UP ABOVE THAT OR THAT'S ATTRACTIVE ON THE ROOF IS GONNA BE, YEAH.
SO THERE ARE SCREEN WALLS, BUT THEY'RE SET BACK.
UM, PRETTY FAR FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROOF.
UM, THE TRIP ANALYSIS, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, 15 PEAK HOUR TRIPS.
I MEAN, WE DIDN'T SEE THE, UM, TRAFFIC ANALYSIS BUT, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT, BUT I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT.
15 SOUNDS KINDA LOW CONSIDERING THERE'S 30 APARTMENTS.
COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MAYBE? UM, I DID CONFIRM, UH, ONLINE, WELL WITH MY PROGRAM THAT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OF 30 UNITS, WE'RE EXPECTING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 15 TO 20 VEHICLES FOR THE PEAK HOUR.
SO PROBABLY AROUND 8:00 AM UM, AND THAT'S IT.
IT WAS 15 TO 20, DEPENDING ON YOU USED AN AVERAGE CURVE VERSUS FITTED CURVE.
UM, AND CHARLOTTE, THE REPORT WAS DEEP, DEEP BURIED, BUT IT WAS THERE, WAS IT? YES.
IT MUST HAVE BEEN IN THERE WITH ALL THAT LIGHTING INFORMATION.
THAT WENT ON FOR DAYS, BUT I KNOW YOU REVIEWED ALL THAT.
UM, AND SO WHEN ARE YOU PLANNING TO START CONSTRUCTION? BY DECEMBER 31ST? NO, JANUARY 25.
DO YOU NEED AN EXTENSION? WASN'T THERE, WASN'T THERE A DECEMBER 31ST GROUND BEEP? NO GROUND BE BREAKING BY 1231 THIS YEAR.
THAT WAS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO GROUNDBREAKING IS DIFFERENT THAN STARTING CONSTRUCTION.
WELL, UM, ARE YOU ABIDING BY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? THAT'S THE QUESTION.
UM, IT WILL DEPEND ON WHEN WE CAN GET OUR BUILDING PERMITS APPROVED.
WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMETHING DOESN'T HAPPEN BY DECEMBER 31ST? UM, CITY COUNCIL CAN AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THEM.
AND KURT CAN WEIGH IN 'CAUSE HE'S, HE'S NODDING.
AND AT THIS POINT, SO THAT'S A FUNGIBLE DATE IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
BUT IT WOULD NEED A RETURN TO COUNSEL IT.
IF IT WAS A SMALL AMENDMENT, IT COULD, WHICH PROBABLY ON CONSENT AND I DON'T THINK IT'D BE THAT DIFFICULT TO, TO EXTEND IT BY A MONTH OR TWO IF NEEDED.
AND I THINK THE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE IS AMBITIOUS INSANELY QUICK BASED ON HOW I SAY THINGS BUILT HERE.
I MEAN, I, I'D BE REALLY SHOCKED IF WE SEE IT'S BUILT IN 12 20 26.
SO FROM A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW STANDPOINT, THEY HAVE TWO YEARS TO GET PERMITS.
SO IT'S, THAT'S JUST A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ISSUE.
SO THE, AN APPROVAL FROM P AND Z WOULD BE GOOD FOR TWO YEARS AND THEN THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO KEEP ACTIVE BUILDING PERMITS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT PROBABLY WON'T BE BUILT IN 2026? NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE'S A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE TIMEFRAMES TO KEEP IT CURRENT.
UM, THAT IF, IF IT'S PROGRESSING WELL AND WE NEED TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THAT WOULD NOT AFFECT ANY DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPROVALS.
I, I WAS LOOKING AT THE SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND, YOU KNOW, TIMEFRAMES AND THEN THINKING ABOUT THIS TIMEFRAME AND SO FORTH.
SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, LET'S SEE, THE, THE HEIGHT OF 40 FEET AND THE MAX UNRELIEVED BUILDING PLANE OVER 400.
WHAT IS THE HEIGHT? IT'S 40 FEET.
AND WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM, WHAT IS THE UNRELIEVED BUILDING PLANE LENGTH? JUST A MINUTE.
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I THINK IT'S ABOUT SIX SIX TO 800.OH, 504 IS LOOKS LIKE THE LARGEST ONE.
SO IT'S ABOUT 25% LONGER THAN THE, AND IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT DRAINAGE AND ASPHALT OR OTHER PERMEABLE SURFACES, AND IT LOOKED LIKE THE DEVELOPER WANTED TO CON STAY WITH ASPHALT BECAUSE OF FOR COST REASONS.
I JUST WANTED TO CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT WAS SATISFACTORY.
IT WAS A, IT WAS A WISHLIST FOR ME.
I'M TRYING TO GET DEVELOPERS TO WORK WITH ME MORE ON PERMEABLE STUFF.
UM, AND THEN I SAW TWO DIFFERENT DATES, AND I'M PROBABLY CONFUSING THEM, BUT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A 30 YEAR AFFORDABILITY, UM, AGREEMENT, BUT SOMEWHERE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THERE WAS A 75 YEAR, WHAT WAS THE 75 YEAR THEN WE HAVE A, UM, LAND LEASE WITH THE CITY.
THE LAND LEASE IS A 75 YEAR LAND LEASE.
WE HAVE A 30 YEAR AFFORDABILITY PERIOD.
AND AFTER THAT 30 YEARS, THAT REVERTS BACK TO THE CITY.
WAIT, I'M SORRY, WHAT REVERTS THE PROJECT.
SO AFTER THE FIRST 30 YEARS MM-HMM.
AND THE CITY CAN THEN DECIDE TO CHARGE WHATEVER IT WANTS TO CHARGE.
AND THIS, THE CITY WILL OWN THE ENTIRE PROJECT, CORRECT? OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS THAT WE WON'T BE HERE.
THAT GOAL HAS ALWAYS, ALWAYS BEEN TO TAKE BACK OWNERSHIP, BUT MOST LIKELY TO HAVE IT, UM, THEN JUST FIND A NEW PROPERTY MANAGER AND KEEP IT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THIS IS ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THERE IS A LAND USE RESTRICTIVE AGREEMENT THAT'S, UM, THAT WILL ALSO ENSURE THAT GRANTED IT IS THE CITY'S PROPERTY IN 30 YEARS.
IT COULD DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT.
UM, ARE UTILITIES INCLUDED IN THE RENT? OH, SO, UM, ELECTRIC IS NOT WATER.
AND I REMEMBER WHY I WANTED TO PICK PIGGYBACK ON GEORGE.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THE SOUND COMING FROM THE RECYCLED PLANT IS MITIGATED WITH THE CHOICE OF WINDOWS OR HOW YOU'RE INSULATING THE BUILDING OR ANY OF THAT? UM, OR IS LANDSCAPING PART OF THAT MITIGATION? AND IF SO, HOW? UM, WE, UM, HAVE ADDRESSED SOUND ISSUES BEFORE IN OTHER PROJECTS.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE INSULATION ON THE WINDOWS ON THIS PROJECT TODAY.
I'D ALSO JUST POINT OUT TOO, THAT THE NOISE YOU HEARD THIS MORNING WAS WORK BEING DONE ON THE LIFT STATION.
THAT WASN'T, THAT WASN'T THE RECYCLING PLANT.
I KNOW THAT, BUT I DO KNOW, 'CAUSE I'M A, A STEADY CUSTOMER OF RECYCLES AT LEAST EVERY ONCE, ONCE A WEEK OR EVERY TWO WEEKS.
SO I, UM, SINCE WE'RE IN THE REALM OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, DOES THAT GET TO THE MITIGATION OF SOUND, UH, FOR THE ENJOYMENT AND, UH, QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE RESIDENTS OF THIS APARTMENT BUILDING? IT'S TYPICALLY NOT A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW THING, BUT IT'S GOOD FOR THE APPLICANT TO KNOW AS THEY LOOK TO, YOU KNOW, WHICH WINDOWS TO BUY AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND IF YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF RECOGNIZING THAT AND INCORPORATING IT IN OTHER PROJECTS, UM, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE A REALLY IMPORTANT, ALONG WITH SOME WAY TO, UM, PROVIDE GREATER EMBELLISHMENT, ORNAMENTATION, ANYTHING THAT WOULD, UH, INCREASE THE AESTHETICS OF THIS BUILDING.
IS THAT A QUESTION OR A STATEMENT? IT'S, IT'S BOTH
UH, I, I WANTED TO PRESS BOTH OF THOSE CHARGES, BUT, UM, SO I
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THINK LATER I'M GOING TO READ SOME COMMENTS FROM A COMMISSION MEMBER THAT, UH, WAS NOT, UH, WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT.AND, UM, AND I THINK SHE'S GONNA, I, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO READ IT, BUT I, UM, I'D LIKE TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
MAYBE WE CAN USE THAT AS A SEGUE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S POSSIBLE AND WHAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, IN, UH, UH, INCLUDING IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO I'LL PASS ON TO, I, I, ONE OTHER THING THAT MM-HMM.
SO IT'S NET OF WHAT? UTILITIES.
BUT IT, BUT IT'S INCLUSIVE OF SOME UTILITIES? NO.
UM, SO THERE IS A UTILITY ALLOWANCE AND, UM, THE, WE, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT WE, UM, ARE, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO, TO HAVE AS PART OF THE RENT.
UM, IT'S NOT A PART OF THE RENT.
THEY PAY THEIR OWN UTILITIES, SO THEY'LL BE INDIVIDUALLY METERED, BUT, BUT, UM, IT'S A PART OF THE 60% OF THE AREA MEDIUM INCOME WE ALLOW FOR, UM, WHAT THE, THE UTILITY ALLOWANCE WOULD COVER IN THAT.
SO WHAT AGAIN, IS INCLUDED, UH, IN THE RENT, WATER, SEWER, TRASH.
NOT ELECTRICITY, BUT THOSE ARE UTILITIES, CORRECT? YES.
AND IT'S AN ALL ELECTRIC BUILDING? CORRECT.
AND THEY WILL BE PAYING THEIR OWN ELECTRICITY? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEY'D BE PAYING THEIR OWN, UM, WIFI OR, UM, YES.
UH, WELL, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE'RE DOING WIFI ON THIS BUILDING OR NOT.
SOMETIMES WE DO INCLUDE WIFI AND I JUST DON'T RECALL ON THIS BUILDING IF WIFI'S INCLUDED.
THAT WOULD BE A GREAT AMENITY.
SINCE THEY'RE AFFORDABLE, THEY'RE MEANT TO BE AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS.
I JUST, I WAS WONDERING WHAT, ARE WE STILL ALSO NOT WITHIN OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PURVIEW, BUT IT'S ANOTHER GOOD SUGGESTION.
MAKE THIS AN ATTRACTIVE PROJECT.
AND I'M ASSUMING THAT, AND THIS MIGHT BE SOME OF SARAH'S QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, THE, THE BUILDING REQUIREMENTS ARE NOW ALL, AREN'T THEY ALL ENERGY STAR AND LOW FLOW TOILETS AND ALL THAT? ISN'T THAT ALL A REQUIREMENT AT THIS POINT? LOW FLOW TOILETS DEFINITELY ARE A REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE.
UH, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO MEET THE INTERNATIONAL ENERGY CONSERVATION CODE, AND THAT CAN BE MET IN VARIOUS DIFFERENT WAYS, EITHER PRESCRIPTIVELY OR THROUGH DIFFERENT PACKAGES, SUCH AS ENERGY STAR.
SO ARE ENERGY, ARE APPLIANCES INCLUDED? YES.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN TELL US ABOUT THAT'S EFFICIENT? UM, TYPICALLY A DOH ALSO HAS THOSE REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF, UM, WINDOWS AND INSTALLATION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WHICH, UM, IS A REQUIREMENT.
AND IT ALSO HELPS WITH, UM, THE SOUND BARRIER BECAUSE THEY'RE UPGRADED REQUIREMENTS.
UM, TODAY IN THE SITE VISIT, AS WE LOOKED AT THE RECYCLING PLANT AND, AND ALSO SOME OF THE, THE STORAGE UNIT SIDE WITH THEIR STORAGE OF VEHICLES, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IS JUST NOT POPULATING, LIKE IT KEEPS CRASHING, SO I'M NOT ABLE TO SEE IT.
CAN YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT, IF YOU RECALL, ON YOUR LANDSCAPING, WHAT YOU WANNA DO ON THAT FENCE LINE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, RIGHT UP AGAINST THE WASH, WHERE THE RECYCLING UNIT IS, AND THEN ALSO LANDSCAPING IN THAT CORNER, YOU KNOW, THAT WE SEE THAT OPEN AREA WITH THE STORAGE UNIT.
LIKE WHAT KIND OF LANDSCAPING ARE YOU GUYS THINKING OF PUTTING IN THERE? UM, LET ME SEE IF CARRIE HAS, OR IT'S CARI, ISN'T IT CARRIE CAR? OKAY.
SEE IF SHE HAS IT AND THEN WE CAN PULL IT UP.
I HAVE IT ON MY COMPUTER, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT ON, IT'S ON THE WEBSITE, BUT EVERY TIME I TRY TO LOOK AT IT, IT LIKE GOES BONKERS AND CRASHES.
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DON'T TOUCH IT.WHEN YOU TOUCH IT, IT GOES AWAY.
YEAH, EVERY TIME I DO THAT, IT CRASHES.
SO THEY HAVE TREES AND SHRUBS ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THEIR PARKING AREA OVER HERE.
THIS IS THE TRASH AREA WITH SOME TREES AND SHRUBS IN THIS AREA AS WELL.
CAN YOU JUST, I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING TREES AND SHRUBS, BUT, MM-HMM.
SO THEY'RE TREE PALLET THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW IS ARIZONA SYCAMORE, EMERY OAK, DESERT WILLOW, WESTERN RED BUD, AND PINON PINES.
I DON'T HAVE ROOM TO GET SUNSET.
SO OFTENTIMES THOSE GET ADJUSTED A LITTLE BIT BASED ON WHAT'S AVAILABLE WHEN THEY GO TO ACTUALLY PLANT, BUT WE'LL, PART OF THE REVIEW IS MAKING SURE THEY KEEP THE 50% NATIVE REQUIREMENT.
UM, AND THEN MY OTHER COMMENT WAS WE, UH, TALKED AT THE SITE VISIT TODAY, UH, REGARDING THE WALL IN THE STORAGE UNIT, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY AS WELL.
UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO REALLY, UM, PUSH AND ADVOCATE FOR A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TO SEE IF WE CAN'T GET AWAY, TO HAVE A MURAL OR SOME SORT OF ART ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH THE STORAGE OWNER UNIT, WHOLE STORAGE UNIT OWNER.
I THINK THAT'D BE A NICE AMENITY WITH THOSE.
UM, THAT'S NOTHING THAT REALLY, IT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR THIS THING TODAY.
I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE.
SO THAT IS ON RECORD IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I'M LISTENING TO MY COUNTERPARTS DISCUSS THE ONE BEDROOM AND THE THREE BEDROOM, AND, UH, I THINK THEY'RE SUPER COOL.
I'VE SEEN A LOT OF, UM, APARTMENTS IN BIGGER CITIES WITH THE ONE BEDROOM LAYOUT LIKE YOU HAVE.
IT'S NOT A BOX, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE LONG LIKE THAT.
UM, JUST REALLY NICE JOB IN, IN DESIGNING THAT SPACE.
IT, IT'S HARD WHEN YOU HAVE A ONE ACRE SITE,
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS I WANNA LOOK AT? UM, SEE IF I CAN FIND SARAH'S.
WERE YOU GONNA SAY SOMETHING? UM, I'LL WAIT.
UM, WITH THE CONSENT OF, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY, I, I JUST WANNA READ THESE COMMENTS.
I ASK SARAH TO SEND THEM ALSO ONTO YOU, CARRIE.
UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ONE OF FEW CHALLENGES IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE CAN ALL MOSTLY AGREE REQUIRES PRIORITIZATION AND COMMITMENT.
THOUGH ANY HOUSING IS GOOD HOUSING, I WAS GREATLY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US.
MY HOPE AND EXPECTATION IS THAT THIS PROJECT, A FIRST IN OUR COMMUNITY, IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE AN EXEMPLARY PROJECT THAT REINFORCES OUR COMMITMENT TO OUR MOST VULNERABLE COMMUNITY, AND ALSO IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR CORE VALUES THAT WE PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTHS ARE.
I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I SAW THE PROJECT PLANS.
TO ME, THE PROJECT APPEARS TO BE A CHEAP AND BASIC TYPE OF ACCOMMODATION, A LOW GRADE MOTEL, TEMPORARY HOUSING.
ARE WE CHOOSING TO TAKE WHAT COULD BE AN INSPIRING OPPORTUNITY, AN OPPORTUNITY TO SET THE BAR FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE A LEADER FOR HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND REALLY PROVIDING THE BARE MINIMUM JUST CHECKING THE BOXES.
NOT ONLY IS IT GREATLY AESTHETICALLY UNPLEASING NOT EXUDING ANY SORT OF WELCOMING MARK TO FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS, BUT IT INCORPORATES LITTLE TECHNICAL DESIGN THAT WE SO GREATLY EXPECT FROM OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
HERE, MORE SPECIFICALLY ARE MY CONCERNS.
SUSTAINABILITY, COMMITMENT TO LEAD CERTIFICATION, CONSTRUCTION, RECYCLING, LOW VOC MATERIALS, STORM WATER CAPTURE AND REUSE FOR LANDSCAPING PURPOSES.
DRIP IRRIGATION OR XSCAPE, SMART CONTROL, RAIN SENSORS FOR IRRIGATION, GRAY WATER HARVESTING, SOLAR PANELS, PERMEABLE PAVEMENTS.
CHECK IF THE ARCHITECT INSISTS ON ASPHALT.
CAN TREES WITH LARGER CANOPIES BE INCORPORATED TO OFFSET THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT? EV CHARGERS
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BIKE REPAIR STATION WATER EFFICIENT FIXTURE FIXTURES.RECYCLING IS THE ARCHITECT COLLABORATING WITH FRIENDS OF THE VERDE RIVER FOR CERTIFICATION.
I APPRECIATE THE PLAYGROUND FOR THE CHILDREN.
WHAT ABOUT A SMALL DOG PARK AREA? COMMUNITY GARDEN THAT BRINGS INDIVIDUALS TOGETHER A WORK CO-OP SPACE? SO TENANTS COULD ACTUALLY LIVE, WORK ON THE PROPERTY.
THESE DON'T HAVE TO BE LARGE FEATURES.
IT'S THE INTENT AND AUTHENTIC VALUE THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO PROVIDE HERE.
TENANT WELLBEING BEING ADJACENT TO THE RECYCLING CENTER.
THERE IS CONSISTENT PUNGENT SMELL.
WHETHER OR NOT THIS SMELL IS AN ACTUAL HEALTH CONCERN IS NOT MY EXPERTISE.
BUT HAS THE PROJECT CONSIDERED THIS TO SEE IF IT IS AN ISSUE? IS THERE CONSIDERATION TO HAVING HVAC SYSTEM THAT INCORPORATES AN APPROPRIATE AIR FILTRATION SYSTEM THAT COULD PROTECT THE TENANTS FROM POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL TOXINS, CONTAMINANTS, OR HEALTH ISSUES? AIR QUALITY IS IMPORTANT.
WHAT ABOUT NOISE POLLUTION FROM ADJACENT INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES? ANY PLANS TO INCORPORATE DESIGN TO MITIGATE THIS FOR THE TENANTS? AS I SAID BEFORE, ANY HOUSING WILL BE A POSITIVE FOR OUR COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TRY AND PROVIDE NOT ONLY WHAT IS RIGHT, BUT WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
I'M GRAVELY CONCERNED WITH THE MESSAGE WE MAY BE SENDING TO THE PUBLIC REGARDING THE VALUE OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT SO DESPERATELY NEED OUR SUPPORT.
WOULD YOU WANT TO LIVE HERE? I'M DISAPPOINTED.
EMBARRASSED TO SHOW OUR COMMUNITY THAT THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN DO.
OUR FIRST AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT SHOULD EXUDE A SENSE OF HARMONY, HOPE, AND CONNECTION, BE A WOW FACTOR.
LOOK WHAT WE CAN PROVIDE IN TERMS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, A PROJECT PROUD OF ITS COMMITMENT TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE INHABITING IT.
SO, UM, I, UM, I AM A SINGLE MOTHER.
I AM VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, I'M VERY PROUD OF THIS PROJECT.
I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD ON THIS PROJECT.
THE REASON THAT SEDONA DOESN'T HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS BECAUSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS CHALLENGING.
THOSE AMENITIES WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
THEY ALL COST SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
WE'RE PROVIDING HIGH QUALITY, UNFORTUNATELY, I'M SORRY THAT SHE DOESN'T SEE THE, THE, UM, LUSTER, BUT IT IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE'RE PROVIDING HOUSING FOR EXTREMELY LOW INCOME RESIDENTS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE NOT HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS.
AND GO AHEAD AND TAKE A FEW MINUTES FOR YOURSELF.
IS ANYONE UP HERE? UM, WANNA UH, HAVE ANY REACTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING SARAH'S COMMENTS? I JUST LIKE TO SAY I LIKE THE STAG.
I REALLY LIKE THE STAGGERED DESIGN.
IF YOU DID NOT HAVE THOSE SETBACKS, IT WOULD BE A REALLY BORING LOOKING BUILDING.
UM, BUT I'M HOPING THAT THE INTERIORS ARE GOING TO BE NICE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE ENER ENERGY EFFICIENT AS MUCH AS IT'S POSSIBLE.
UM, YOU'VE GOT SOME NICE AMENITIES LIKE, YOU KNOW, A COMMUNITY ROOM AND AN OFFICE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS AN OFFICE THAT WAS, UH, AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTS.
IT LOOKED LIKE MAYBE THERE WERE TWO OFFICE SPACES.
SO, UM, A PART OF THE TAX CREDIT PROGRAM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PRIVATE SPACE TO CERTIFIED RESIDENCE.
SO ONE WILL BE A, A, UM, MANAGER'S OFFICE, AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE A PRIVATE SPACE FOR TO CERTIFY RESIDENTS.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET CERTIFIED TO LIVE HERE, YOU HAVE TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE FINANCIAL INFORMATION AND IT'LL BE A SPACE THAT YOU CAN SHUT THE DOOR AND IT'LL BE EXCLUSIVE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYONE BEING ABLE TO ACCESS MAYBE, UM, IT COULD BE OUTFITTED IN A WAY THAT IT COULD BE USED FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, A HOME OFFICE TYPE THING.
UM, PEOPLE COULD SIGN UP TO USE IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ANYWAY, I MEAN, I DID THINK HE HAD SOME AMENITIES.
IT WAS AMAZING TO ME WHAT YOU COULD PUT ON A ONE SLIGHTLY OVER ONE ACRE SITE.
UM, AND THE DECK, THAT ROOFTOP DECK, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'LL END UP BEING USED, BUT THAT
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COULD BE A NICE AMENITY TOO.THERE IS A NICE VIEW OF MM-HMM.
AND I REALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, UM, WORKING HOURS ARE FOR HOW LATE THE, UM, RECYCLING CENTER IS OPEN.
SO HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME PEOPLE GET HOME FROM WORK, UM, IT'LL BE A QUIET, MORE QUIET ENVIRONMENT FOR 'EM.
HONESTLY, WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS A RODENTS, UM, FROM THERE AND FROM THE STORAGE UNITS THAT ARE AROUND THERE.
I, FROM THE CREEK, I WORK WITH A RANCH, ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT RENTS STORAGE AROUND THERE.
AND THAT SEEMS TO BE A CONSISTENT ISSUE.
AND I CAN IMAGINE FROM THE RECYCLING CENTER TOO.
SO I HOPE YOU HAVE A ROBUST EXTERMINATION PROGRAM.
BUT YES, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
SO I I, I REALLY APPRECIATE SARAH'S COMMENTS AND BELIEVE ME, MAYBE THEY CAME OFF A LITTLE ROUGH TO YOU, BUT SARAH IS TRULY A VERY CONSCIENTIOUS COMMUNITY-MINDED COMMUNITY-MINDED PERSON.
IT, IT MIGHT'VE SOUND A LITTLE BIT ROUGH, BUT, UM, I, I THINK WE ALL HAVE SOME FEELINGS THAT ALIGN WITH THAT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
I, I GUESS I, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE, UH, FROM OUR, MY PERSPECTIVE, OUR PERSPECTIVE, UH, WE GET ONE SWING AT THIS.
I MEAN, UNLIKE OTHER PROJECTS, AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT THIS TO DRAG ON BECAUSE WE ALL NEED IT.
BUT OTHER PROJECTS, THERE'S A LOT OF GIVE AND TAKE.
WE'RE NOT GETTING A CHANCE TO GIVE YOU FEEDBACK ON DESIGN ELEMENTS.
I MEAN, WHAT ABOUT PUTTING LITTLE DOGGY PARK WITH THE LITTLE TURF GRASS UP ON THE ROOF AREA? I MEAN, I, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT WE COULD, WE COULD OFFER.
BUT AGAIN, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, UH, THE ARCHITECT REENGAGE TO TRY TO MAKE THIS A MORE PLEASANT AESTHETIC BUILDING.
MAYBE THAT'S NOT IN THE WORKS.
MAYBE THIS IS WHAT WE GET, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, THE RENTS, UH, THE, THE COST OF THE PROJECT.
MAYBE OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE TOO HIGH.
AND AGAIN, THERE'RE GONNA BE SOME GREAT PEOPLE LIVING THERE.
AND AGAIN, I, UH, I HATE TO, I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING THEY NEED A PLACE, AND I DON'T WANNA SAY ANY PLACE WILL DO.
AND I THINK YOU'VE GOT GREAT AMENITIES HERE AND SO FORTH.
AND, UH, BUT WHAT SARAH SAID, OTHER PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THIS AS AN EXAMPLE.
I THINK IF YOU HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE DESIGN, IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE WE HAVE USED THE DESIGN THAT WAS SPECIFIED FOR THIS PROJECT IN THIS CFA AND WE HAD A DIFFERENT DESIGN AND IT WAS REJECTED.
SO, UM, IF THAT IS A BIG CONCERN, THEN SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS NEED TO BE REEVALUATED.
SO I WOULD ALSO WEIGH IN THAT THIS PROJECT, AGAIN, OTHER THAN THE COUPLE THINGS THAT CITY COUNCIL SAID THEY WERE OKAY WITH WAIVING, IT DOES MEET THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
I THINK ONE THING THAT YOU SEE WITH THIS IS THAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING ALL THE PERSPECTIVES AND THE DIFFERENT RENDERINGS, BECAUSE THOSE ALL COST MONEY.
AND IN TRYING TO WORK WITH AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER AND TRYING TO KEEP COST DOWN, WE, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK, THEY GAVE US PAINT.
YOU KNOW, THEY, WE DON'T HAVE THE BIG BOARDS AND THE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.
'CAUSE AGAIN, WE, WE WERE TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM AND GET WHAT WE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO DO OUR REVIEW FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE COMPLIANCE.
AND IF WE UNDERSHOT THAT A LITTLE BIT, THAT'S PROBABLY ON US A LITTLE BIT.
BUT AGAIN, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS OF GETTING WHAT WE NEEDED FROM THEM, BUT ALSO NOT GOING OVERBOARD AND, AND HAVING THEM DO A LOT OF EXTRA WORK THAT WOULD COST A LOT OF EXTRA MONEY.
SO INCREASE, INCREASE THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT, FROM A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE, IT'S INSANELY VAST.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, IT'D BE GREAT IF THE ARCHITECT COULD TAKE ANOTHER SWING AT IT.
BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANT THE PROJECT TO TANK MM-HMM.
I THINK WE'RE ALL REALLY, REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT.
BUT JUST WITH, WITH, EXCUSE ME.
BUT, UH, CARRIE, YOU, YOU TELL ME.
I MEAN, I MEAN, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR A WHILE NOW, YOU KNOW, THROUGH DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT STAFF MEMBERS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE HERE ANYMORE.
BUT, UM, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH IT AFTER THE FIRST ROUND, WE IDENTIFIED ALL OF THE AREAS THAT THEY DIDN'T COMPLY WITH
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THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.IN SOME AREAS THEY CHANGED THE PLANS AND IN OTHER AREAS THEY ASKED FOR THE WAIVER FROM CITY COUNCIL.
AND SO AGAIN, THEY, EVEN WHEN IT CAME TO CITY COUNCIL, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ASKED FOR A WAIVER ON WAS THE COVERED PARKING CITY COUNCIL SAID, NO, WE WOULD PREFER TO SEE COVERED PARKING BECAUSE THAT IS AN AMENITY FOR RESIDENTS.
AND SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY DESIGNED WHATEVER THEY WANTED AND THEN ASKED FOR EXCEPTIONS FOR EVERYTHING THEY DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE.
WE DID WORK WITH THEM AND THEY CHANGED WHAT THEY COULD AND THEN ASKED FOR A WAIVER FOR THE THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE, UM, NEGATIVELY IMPACTED THE PROJECT.
AS FAR AS NUMBER OF UNITS OR COST OF DEVELOPMENT, I HAVE ONE COMMENT WILL, UM, THE MAJORITY APPROVED A SAFE PLACE TO PARK ON THIS COUNCIL.
AND I, I REALLY THINK THAT, UH, HAVING THIS MOVES US TO WHERE WE EXPECT TO GO FROM THAT TO THIS.
UH, I THINK THE INSIDE DESIGN IS EXCELLENT.
AND I'M NOT GONNA PUT MY, MY OWN PERSONAL BELIEF ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, A A A HOME SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
IN THIS CASE, IT'S MUCH BETTER THE INSIDE OF A CAR.
AND, UH, SO FOR THAT REASON, UM, I KNOW HOW I'M GONNA BE VOTING ON THIS PROJECT.
CHARLOTTE, COULD YOU EXPLAIN, UM, WHAT THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OR REQUIREMENT FOR THIS CFA IS THAT YOU NEEDED TO MEET, THAT YOU DIDN'T MEET THE FIRST GO AROUND? I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IS THERE A CERTAIN LOOK YOU WERE GOING FOR? SO, SO THERE'S NOTHING NECESSARILY IN THE C FFA.
THE CFA ALLOWS FOR THE INCREASED HEIGHT, BUT IT HAS SOME, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT AS FAR AS THE, BECAUSE IN THE T STANDARD LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, YOU GET ADDITIONAL HEIGHT FOR REDUCING THE UNLE BUILDING PLANES AND REDUCING THE LIGHT REFLECTANCE VALUE OF THE PAINT COLOR.
AND SO THE CFA HAS WRITTEN TO, UM, ESSENTIALLY MAXIMIZE THOSE FOR THE EXTRA HEIGHT.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GOING WELL ABOVE THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WOULD SAY, WHEN WE WROTE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE SAID SINCE, SINCE YOU'RE INCREASING THE HEIGHT, YOU SHOULD MAXIMIZE WITHIN THE STANDARD ALLOWANCES OF THE CODE.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE, THAT WAS THE 400 SQUARE FEET UNRE BUILDING PLANE AND THE, THE DARKER PAINT COLORS WITH, UM, UNRELIEVED BUILDING PLANES.
TO GET THOSE, YOU HAVE TO DO, UH, MORE COMPLICATED CONSTRUCTION.
YOU HAVE TO DO MORE PROJECTIONS, RECESSIONS IN THE WALLS.
AND SO AGAIN, THEY DIDN'T DO A FLAT WALL.
THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE A TWO UNITS HAVE THE BUMP OUTS, UM, WHERE THE A ONE UNITS ARE JUST STRAIGHT ACROSS.
'CAUSE THOSE THE ONES THAT SHARE THE WALL.
AND SO THEY DID AS MUCH AS THEY COULD.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, GOING AND GETTING THOSE UNRE BUILDING PLANES BELOW WHAT THE CFA PLAN WOULD SAY AT 400 SQUARE FEET WAS, WOULD ADD A SIGNIFICANT COST TO THE PROJECT.
AND SO IT'S, AND IT IS JUST, IT'S THE NORTH WALL, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT IS NOT FACING THE STREET.
AND SO THEY, THEY ASKED FOR THE EXCEPTION THERE, IT'S GONNA FACE THAT LOVELY MURAL.
THERE, THERE ARE DESIGN EXAMPLES IN THE CFA, UM, THAT WANTED THE PROJECT TO CONFORM TO THE INDUSTRIAL NATURE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THERE ARE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES IN THE CFA BECAUSE WE HAD DESIGNED IT SEPARATELY AND IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE, THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, UH, AESTHETIC.
UM, AND THERE ARE SPECIFIC, UH, EXAMPLES IN THE CFA THAT BECAUSE WE DESIGNED IT TO BE DIFFERENT.
UM, THAT, AND UM, THIS IS NOT HER, IT WAS A DIFFERENT STAFF MEMBER THAT'S NO LONGER HERE, ASKED US TO REVISIT THAT.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YEAH, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT.
UM, I AM MORE THAN EXCITED TO SEE THIS PROJECT GET KICKED OFF.
UM, I HAVE HAD FAMILY MEMBERS THAT HAVE WORKED FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA.
I HAVE FRIENDS THAT WORK FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA THAT HAVE TO SHARE APARTMENTS.
I HAVE FRIENDS THAT WORK FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA THAT DRIVE FROM WILLIAMS TO COME TO HERE THAT LIVE IN CLARKDALE, TO WORK HERE, UH, AND STRUGGLE TO FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND THEY'RE DRIVING IN PLACE OF LIVING WHERE THEY WORK.
AND SO WHEN WE SEE PROJECT, WHEN I SEE PROJECTS LIKE THIS, IT'S EXCITING BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT A TEACHER GETS TO LIVE IN HER COMMUNITY OR HIS COMMUNITY, UM, UH, A CITY EMPLOYEE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE WHERE THEY WORK, IF THEY CHOOSE TO.
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THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO BE CREATIVE AND WORK WITH THE CITY AND THE STATE AND WITH YOUR FUNDER TO BE ABLE TO PUSH OFF THIS, THIS PROGRAM AND THIS, THIS, UH, THIS PROJECT.SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
I JUST HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION, UH, PRIMARILY FOR CARRIE.
SO IS THIS, UM, THE HIGHEST DENSITY PROJECT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED HERE IN SEDONA? UM, I MEAN, WITH THE NEW ACREAGE IT'S 24 UNITS PER ACRE.
YEAH, SO I THINK WHEN WE WENT THROUGH, WHEN WE'VE LOOKED AT THINGS IN THE PAST, THERE'S A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES IN UPTOWN THAT ARE VERY SMALL AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT HAVE FIVE OR SIX UNITS, BUT BECAUSE THE, THE ACREAGE IS SO SMALL, THEY END UP POTENTIALLY AT A HIGHER DENSITY.
BUT, UM, AS FAR WENT TOWARDS ANYTHING WE'VE SEEN OH, AS FAR AS ANYTHING YOU'VE SEEN, PROBABLY, YEAH.
I MEAN, AND THAT IS BECAUSE WITH THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT THEY GET, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU KEEP PEOPLE TO TWO STORIES, THEY'RE JUST KIND OF LIMITED IN THAT.
SO ADDING THE, THE THIRD STORY, UM, ALLOWS IT TO BE A, AT A HIGHER DENSITY THAN YOU'D SEE OTHERWISE.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE GOT SOMEWHAT OF A SELF SELFISH CONCERN BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S A PROJECT ON GOODROW MM-HMM.
AND IF THESE, UH, SAME STANDARDS ARE GONNA APPLY TO THAT PROJECT, UM, MM-HMM,
MY, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENT FOR DENSITY.
I DON'T CARE IF IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR LUXURY APARTMENTS SOMEWHERE, I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD APPLY TO THE SAME STANDARDS.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE BUILT THE CFA OR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, OR THAT'S THE WAY CITY COUNCIL SEES IT, I GUESS.
BUT I'M JUST WORRIED THAT THIS COULD BECOME A PRECEDENT AND FOR EVERY AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT THAT'S GONNA HAVE, UH, ZERO DENSITY REQUIREMENTS AND WE'RE GONNA SEE MORE AND MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMUNITIES.
TOTALLY SEPARATE, BUT MY CONCERN ABOUT THE FUTURE, MM-HMM,
ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS UP HERE? ALRIGHT, LET ME FIND MY PLACE ON THE, WHAT PAGE IS IT?
YOU HAVE NOT OPENED IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT YET.
WE HAVE NONE OPENED AND CLOSED.
I JUST WANTED TO GET TO THE MOTION AND, UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.
DO YOU HAVE I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
WELL, SHE HASN'T, SHE HAS RIGHT FREEDOM FIRST.
I MOVE, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER PZ 24 DASH 0 0 0 6.
DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FILLS ON SHELBY BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.4.
AND IN SATISFACTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? IF NOT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[5.b. Public Hearing/discussion/possible direction regarding a request for a Time Extension to extend the expiration date for construction of 46 affordable housing units, at 220 Sunset Drive (Sunset Lofts). The property is zoned Commercial (CO) and Medium-High Density Multifamily (RM-2), is ±2.22 acres and is located on Sunset Drive south of W State Route 89A. APN: 408-26-030C. ]
NUMBER FIVE B PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR A TIME EXTENSION TO EXTEND THE EXPIRATION DATE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF 46 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AT TWO 20 SUNSET DRIVE, KNOWN AS SUNSET LOFTS.THE PROPERTY OF ZONE COMMERCIAL AND MEDIUM HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY RM TWO IS PLUS OR MINUS 2.22 ACRES AND IS LOCATED ON SUNSET DRIVE SOUTH OF WEST STA
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WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A ARIZONA PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 8 DASH 26 DASH THREE C.THIS IS CASE NUMBER PZ 24 0 2 TIME EXTENSION.
THE APPLICANT IS THE CITY OF SEDONA AND JEANNIE FRIEDER.
UH, THE HOUSING MANAGER ARE YOU GONNA BE PRESENTING AS WELL AS CARRIE? SO I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW.
AND THEN JEANNIE WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL.
SO AS THE CHAIR JUST READ, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A TIME EXTENSION.
UM, THIS NOT THE RIGHT, SORRY.
SO THIS PRO PROPERTY, UM, SUNSET LTS IS, HAS BEEN, WAS APPROVED A COUPLE YEARS AGO FOR A 46 UNIT HOUSING PROJECT, UM, WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA PARTNERING WITH THAT APPLICANT.
UM, IT IS, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED, UH, ON SUNSET DRIVE SOUTH OF 89 A.
IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT WITH A FLOODPLAIN ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THIS IS THE APPROVED DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.
UM, IT IS FULLY, THERE'S A, THERE WAS A COUPLE, UM, CODE AMENDMENT OR CODE WAIVERS THAT CITY COUNCIL GAVE, BUT THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT WAS FULLY APPROVED.
THERE ARE NO CHANGES PROPOSED TO THAT DESIGN AS PART OF THIS.
UM, SO WITH THE ORIGINAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT, THE CITY HAD A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE APPLICANT WHERE WE CONTRIBUTED MONEY AND THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD THIS AND RUN IT AS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
AND IT WENT THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT APPROVAL PROCESSES, WENT THROUGH A COUPLE, UM, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AMENDMENTS TO, TO TRY TO GET THIS OFF THE GROUND.
UM, ULTIMATELY THE, THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT STATED THAT IF CONSTRUCTION DID NOT START BY APRIL OF THIS YEAR, THE ENTIRE PROJECT WOULD REVERT TO CITY OWNERSHIP WHERE WE WOULD BECOME THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND THE PROJECT PLANS AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, THE PROJECT DID NOT START BY APRIL OF THIS YEAR.
AND SO WE ARE NOW THE PROUD OWNERS OF THIS PROJECT AND, UM, JEANIE AND STEVE ARE WORKING TO GET THIS OFF THE GROUND.
BUT, UM, WE JUST NEED A, A LITTLE MORE TIME, UM, WITH THIS SHORT TIME BETWEEN WHEN THE CITY TOOK OWNERSHIP OF IT NOW, IT JUST COULDN'T, COULDN'T MEET THOSE, THE DEADLINES FOR CONSTRUCTION, UM, WITH THE ORIGINAL TIMEFRAMES UNDER THIS PROJECT.
SO, UM, WE ARE HERE TO REQUEST A TIME EXTENSION FOR THIS PROJECT AND STEVE AND JEANNIE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE PROJECT.
OH, UM, FINAL, WE DID DO PUBLIC OUTREACH AGAIN FOR THIS.
THE ONE PRO, THE ONE COMMENT WAS IN YOUR PACKET, IT WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT DRAINAGE, WHICH THERE ARE NO CHANGES FROM THE DRAINAGE FROM WHAT WAS APPROVED A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT STILL BELIEVES THAT IT MEETS OUR DRAINAGE STANDARDS.
UM, AND THEN, YEAH, ALL THE REST OF THE DETAILS ARE IN YOUR PACKET AND WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ROOF DESIGN? YEAH,
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.
AND SO THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT HAVE ALL BEEN APPROVED ARE THAT, SO IT WOULD BE A JUST THOUGHT I'D ASK.
SO, SO UH, STEVE, WHAT IS THE TIMETABLE IN TERMS OF MOVING, MOVING FORWARD ON THIS? I MEAN, UH, ARE YOU GOING THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? YES, EXCUSE ME.
UH, WE ARE FINALIZING THAT RFP THIS TODAY, UH, IN FACT, AND LOOKING TO GET THAT RFP OUT THIS WEEK.
AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR DEVELOPER LOOKING? YES.
LOOKING FOR A DEVELOPER TO BOTH BUILD AND MANAGE.
UH, THAT IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS.
IS THIS SIMILAR THEN TO HOW THIS DEVELOPER WORKS WHERE THEY WORK WITH THE STATE AND THE CITY AND THEY GET TAX CREDITS AND THAT KIND OF THING? IS THAT GENERALLY WHAT WE'LL SEE ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER IN THIS REALM? THAT IS A POSSIBILITY, BUT WE'RE LOOKING, UH, HOPEFULLY TO GET A, EXCUSE ME, A HIGHER, UH, A MI.
UH, TYPICAL, UH, HIGHER MIX I SHOULD SAY.
SO I'VE ALWAYS HEARD THE CITY SAY THEY DID NOT WANT TO BE LANDLORDS.
UM, THIS IS NOW OWNED BY THE CITY.
WELL, THEY HAD ALREADY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY ANYWAY.
UM, AND YOU OWN THE, THE PLANS.
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IS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IN THE RFP GOING TO STILL HAVE THE CITY OWN THE PROJECT OR WILL THE DEVELOPER OWN THE PROJECT? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO SIMILAR TO THE SHELBY PROJECT, UH, IT WILL BE A LAND LEASE, UM, SIMILAR TERMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, OF MINIMUM 30 YEARS.UH, UM, AND IT WILL BE A MANAGED PROJECT BY THE DEVELOPER AS THAT IS WHAT THE RFP IS ASKING FOR.
SO WE WON'T BE IN THE HOUSING BUSINESS.
UM, THERE'S A DATE SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2026.
SO THAT IS TWO YEARS FROM, SO WHAT IS THAT? WHAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE? SO THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL WAS ON SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2022.
UM, WITH A, THE 15 DAY APPEAL PERIOD.
IT, THE APPROVAL WENT INTO EFFECT ON SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2022.
WITH THE TWO YEAR EXPIRATION DATE.
WE DID START THE TIME EXTENSION PROCESS PRIOR TO THAT, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE NOW AFTER THAT DATE, BUT WE CAN ONLY EXTEND IT TWO YEARS FROM THE ORIGINAL EXPIRATION DATE.
SO THAT'S WHEN YOU GET SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2026.
UM, SO GIVEN THAT THE CITY OWNS THIS NOW AND UNTIL WE GET AN, UH, SOMEBODY ELSE TO COME OWN IT, I, I AM STILL CONCERNED ABOUT DRAINAGE.
I MEAN, DRAINAGE WAS AN ISSUE.
IT'S AN ISSUE FOR THE CITY CITY'S.
SO I'M, I'M CURIOUS WHAT THE CITY WILL BE DOING IN ITS ROLE AS OWNER NOW TILL WHO KNOWS WHEN, UM, TO MONITOR AND JUST KEEP THE RESIDENTS AROUND THERE, UM, INFORMED AS TO WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THAT PROPERTY SHOULD COME THE RAINY SEASON AND SO FORTH.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO MY RECOLLECTION FROM THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL WAS THAT, UM, THE CAPACITY ON THIS FOR THE DRAINAGE ON THE SITE IN HANUKKAH CAN THROW SOMETHING AT ME IF I'M WRONG, WOULD, UM, EXCEED IT EXCEEDED THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT WAS REQUIRED.
SO THE HOPE WAS THAT IT WOULD RETAIN THAT NOT AS MUCH WOULD BE GOING ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OR AS QUICKLY, I THINK THERE WAS ACTUALLY IN ALL THE MODELING, THERE WAS A SLIGHT DECREASE ON THE DOWNSTREAM VOLUMES OF, OF WATER.
AND SO WE WOULD BE BUILDING TO THOSE PLANS AND DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD, WHICH CAN BE EXTENSIVE.
THEY DO, I DID, THEY DID PROPOSE DRAINAGE WORK SO THAT WOOD AREA WOULD BE DISTURBED DURING CONSTRUCTION, BUT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLANS.
I PERSONALLY DO MONTHLY INSPECTIONS.
UM, SO DURING CONSTRUCTION THERE'LL BE EYES ON THAT.
UM, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DOWNSTREAM DRAINAGES THAT WE'RE BUILT, YOU KNOW, DECADES AGO.
SO THEY'RE UNDER CAPACITY FOR THE EXISTING FLOWS.
AND WE KNOW THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF FLOODING DOWNSTREAM WHERE THEY BREAK OUT OF THOSE EXISTING CULVERTS.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN OUR STORMWATER MASTER PLAN THAT WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING OR EXACT PLANS TO MITIGATE THOSE AT THE MOMENT.
THEY ARE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT, UM, WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING ANY INCREASE IN YEAH.
IMPACT FROM THIS PROJECT THAT WE, THE PROJECT IS REQUIRED TO YEAH.
DETAIN THE ADDITIONAL FLOWS THAT THEY CREATE.
SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THE CITY AS OWNER HAS ANY INCREASED INTEREST IN MONITORING THIS, WHEREAS BEFORE IT WAS GONNA BE A DEVELOPER'S PROBLEM, BUT NOW IT'S THE CITY'S PROBLEM.
YOU, YOU'RE FEELING FAIRLY GOOD.
IF WE OWN IT, WE WILL BE ABLE TO KEEP A MUCH CLOSER EYE ON IT TOO.
ANY MORE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS UP HERE? ALRIGHT.
ARE YOU READY TO MAKE A MOTION? THIS ONE'S A PUBLIC HEARING TOO.
YOU KNOW WHEN THERE'S NO ONE OUT THERE? I KNOW, I JUST DON'T, IT DOESN'T EVEN CROSS MY MIND.
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OKAY.UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER PZ 24 DASH 0 0 0 12 TE SUNSET LOFTS TIME EXTENSION, CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVAL CRITERIA IN THE LDC SECTION 8.3 H 3D, AND SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL LISTED AT THE END OF THE STAFF REPORT.
AND A SECOND ON THAT MOTION PLEASE.
AND ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[6. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS ]
ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX.FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE NEXT TWO MEETINGS.
SO THERE THEY WILL BE CANCELED.
UM, WE ARE ANTICIPATING HAVING SOMETHING FOR THE SECOND MEETING OF DECEMBER AS LONG AS WE HAVE A QUORUM.
SO LET ME KNOW YOUR VACATION SCHEDULE.
WHAT IS THAT DATE? DECEMBER 17TH.
UM, BUT UNDERSTANDING IT'S A WEEK BEFORE CHRISTMAS.
IF THERE'S, UM, IF WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM RIGHT, WE WOULD DELAY IT.
WHAT IS THE PROJECT IF IT WERE TO GO FORWARD ON THE 17TH? UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE NAVAJO LS CONDOMINIUM PLA UM, AND THEN THE, THE DEVELOPER HAS ALSO OFFERED A TOUR OF THE UNITS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION THAT WE WOULD MM-HMM.
IF YOU PROMISE TO COME, WE'LL GET YOU A CAKE.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE UPCOMING MEETINGS ARE YOUR AVAILABILITY? JUST LET CARRIE KNOW IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY.
UH, WE'LL MOVE TO ADJOURN AT, UH, WITHOUT OBJECTION.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I'M SO EXCITED TO SEE THE WATER TANK GOING IN AND IT'S LOOKING BETTER AND BETTER.
I MEAN, IT TOOK SO MANY YEARS TO GET TO THIS POINT.
I'M THRILLED TO GO BY THERE AND I SO THANKFUL FOR EVERYONE WHO WORKS SO HARD.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE AGAINST IT OR NOW.