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THANK YOU.[2. ROLL CALL]
WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? I JUMPED IT AGAIN.PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND NOW A MO A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
[3.a. AB 3086 Discussion/possible direction regarding Sedona In Motion (SIM) projects overview with updates of traffic improvements demonstrated by presenting Traction modeling Dashboard with a focus on current trends, transit, and Uptown Parking. ]
SPECIAL BUSINESS THREE.A AB 30 86 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING THE SEDONA IN MOTION SIM PROJECTS OVERVIEW WITH UPDATES OF TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS DEMONSTRATED BY PRESENTING TRACTION MODELING DASHBOARD WITH FOCUS ON THE CURRENT TRENDS, TRANSIT AND UPTOWN PARKING.
AND THEN, UM, OKAY, WE'LL STICK WITH THAT NOW.
DISCUSSION ABOUT DO EXTRA IDEA OF THE FUTURE? NOPE.
WHO WILL BE STARTING OFF? KURT, GOOD AFTERNOON.
UH, HONORABLE MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, ROBERT WEBER'S GONNA START OUT WITH TRANSIT, AND HE'S GOT HIS SLIDE PRESENTATIONS.
HE REGRETS HE CAN'T BE HERE TODAY, SO HE'S GONNA DO IT REMOTELY AND MIGHT HAVE TO HELP HIM THROUGH THIS, UH, PRESENTATION.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO TO ANDREW KIMBERLY HORN, AND HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT SIM UPDATES, A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW AS YOU REQUESTED WITH, UH, DETAILS INTO THE DASHBOARD.
AND THEN I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THE VERY END.
UH, WE HAVE LIKE 180 MINUTES, SO WE'LL BE COMFORTABLE AND WE'LL TAKE BREAKS AS YOU, UH, SEE FIT.
UM, WITH THAT, NO FURTHER ADO.
ROBERT, YOU READY TO ROLL? THANK YOU, KURT.
CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.
UH, BEFORE I GET STARTED WITH THIS MAIN SLIDE SHOW, I WANTED TO ASK THE COUNCIL, HAD ANY, HAD ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT I HAD PREPARED IN THE AGENDA PACKET? THAT WAS JUST A BASIC UPDATE ON RIDERS.
GOT A LOT OF BACKGROUND THERE, UH, RIDERSHIP, UH, FOR THE TRAILHEAD, SHOVELS AND RIDERSHIP FOR OUR NEW, UH, CONNECT SERVICE WITH SOME UPDATES ON GRANT BEING, THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS I CAN TAKE, I CAN TAKE THOSE.
ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION? ROBERT? YOU'RE GOOD TO GO? I'M GOOD TO GO.
WE'LL, WE'LL GET ROLLING ON THIS NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
NOT SURE WHO'S CONTROLLING MY SLIDES, BUT THERE YOU GO.
I THOUGHT I'D GET A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON PUBLIC TRANSIT AT A 20,000 FOOT VIEW, WHICH MAY HELP BETTER INFORM OUR DISCUSSION A LITTLE LATER WHEN WE GET INTO FUNDING NEXT STEPS AND POTENTIALLY, UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF GOVERNANCE THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT, UH, FOR THE FUTURE.
UH, THIS PRESENTATION IS IN RESPONSE TO THE COUNCIL'S REQUEST FOR A DEEPER DIVE INTO PUBLIC TRANSIT AND WHAT SOME OF OUR NEXT STEPS MIGHT BE IN SEDONA.
UH, SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH TODAY.
UM, I DO HAVE A, UH, JOANNE, I GOT A LOT OF BACKGROUND NOISE.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE SYSTEM OR, SO SOMETHING'S BLEEDING INTO IT.
YEAH, WE'RE NOT HEARING ANYTHING, ROBERT.
THERE IS A LITTLE HUMMING HERE AND IT'S A TECHNOLOGY THING WITH A SOUND COMPANY.
THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT, SO, SORRY.
I'LL TRY NOT TO, I'LL TRY NOT TO LET IT DISTRACT ME TOO MUCH.
SO TODAY'S PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM REALLY STARTED BACK IN 1964 UNDER PRESIDENT JOHNSON'S ADMINISTRATION.
I'M GONNA BLOW THROUGH THESE AS QUICKLY AS I CAN, SO FEEL FREE TO STOP ME.
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MORE.SO THIS REALLY HANDLED AS OUT OF APPROACH FROM THE URBAN AREAS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
BASICALLY, IT WAS THE BIG CITY MAYORS AND RAILROAD EXECUTIVES.
THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY LOSING A LOT OF MONEY ON THEIR COMPUTER SERVICE, BEATING THE LOCAL ECONOMY, SOME OF THE, SOME OF OUR LARGER METROPOLITAN AREAS.
SO IN RESPONSE, UH, THE CITY, OR I'M SORRY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BASICALLY STARTED TO FEDERALIZE THE, UH, THE PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM IN THE UNITED STATES.
SO THE URBAN MASS TRANSIT ACT SIGNED IN 1964, BASICALLY FORMED WITH TODAY'S FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION.
AND AS SOON AS THE FTA HIT THE GROUND OVER THE NEXT DECADE, THEY BEGAN FUNDING THE CITIES WHERE THE CITIES IN TURN PURCHASED THESE LARGE, UH, TRANSIT SYSTEMS FOR BOTH RAIL AND BUS.
UM, AND BEGAN, BEGAN TO DIRECTLY OPERATE THEM, UM, USING FEDERAL DOLLARS.
UM, FLASH FORWARD TO TODAY, UM, AND A LOT OF THIS YOU CAN READ, YOU'VE PROBABLY ALREADY READ IF YOU HAD THE SLIDESHOW IN ADVANCE, BUT, BUT TO COULD TODAY, THE F FDA IS FUNDED THROUGH FY 25 AT ABOUT $21 BILLION A YEAR NATIONWIDE.
SO WITH THOSE FEDERAL DOLLARS COMES REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS.
UM, I OFTEN TELL PEOPLE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THEY, THEY ENFORCE FEDERAL LAWS A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT ONE OF WHICH IS THROUGH GRANT FUNDING.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT COME TO US, THE CITY OF SEDONA, BECAUSE WE DO RECEIVE SOME FDA DOLLARS.
UH, ONE, I ALWAYS SAY ONE FEDERAL DOLLAR WILL TAINT THE REST AS SOON AS WE HAVE ONE FEDERAL DOLLAR INVOLVED IN OUR PROGRAM.
WE ARE SUBJECT TO ALL OF THIS.
BUT THESE, I HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW TO BE PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT, UH, PUBLIC FACING REQUIREMENTS.
WE NEED TO ABSOLUTELY ADHERE THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY ACT.
ALL OF OUR TRANSIT VEHICLES, OUR TRANSIT FACILITIES MUST BE FULLY ACCESSIBLE TO AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES.
OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO ABIDE BY CIVIL RIGHTS LAWS AND REGULATIONS.
UH, WE NEED TO ABIDE BY EE EEO REQUIREMENTS FOR EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY.
THERE'S A WHOLE SLEW OF, UH, FTA TERMS THAT ARE INCORPORATED INTO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO AS A PUBLIC TRANSIT PROVIDER.
UM, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, OUR COACH OPERATORS OR OUR SAFETY SENSITIVE POSITIONS NEED TO ADHERE TO FEDERAL ANTI SUBSTANCE ABUSE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ARE STILL MUCH MORE STRINGENT THAN MANY STATES.
I WANTED TO ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE A DA STUFF AND HOW CAN YOU HELP EXPLAIN TO ME WHERE MAYBE IN OTHER CITIES I'VE SEEN PARATRANSIT SPECIALTY VEHICLES AND IT SEEMS LIKE SEPARATE SYSTEMS FOR DOING DISABLED TRANSPORTATION RATHER THAN MAKING EVERY SINGLE VEHICLE A DA COMPLIANT.
FTA ESSENTIALLY REQUIRES THAT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE THAT EVERY SINGLE VEHICLE WILL BE MADE A DA ACCESSIBLE, HOWEVER, THAT IS THE BEST PRACTICE.
AND WHEN WE GO AFTER FT A FUNDS, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, OUR MICRO TRANSIT VEHICLES, UM, THE FT A, THE FTA HAS BOUGHT TWO OF THOSE THAT WE HAVE IN OPERATION, AND THEY HAVE AWARDED US A THIRD.
THEY'RE PAYING 85 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR IF WE MAKE THEM 88 ACCESSIBLE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF ENTICEMENT THERE WITH RESPECT TO FUNDING, UM, 88 PER TRANSIT.
RIGHT NOW, WE ARE EXEMPT FROM HAVING TO DO THAT.
BUT WHEN YOU KNOW IT'S, LOOK, IT'S A COMPLICATED ANSWER TO A COMPLICATED QUESTION.
SO THE VERDE SHUTTLE, FOR EXAMPLE, IS THAT IS CONSIDERED AND CLASSIFIED AS A DEDICATED COMMUTER ROUTE, WHICH IS EXEMPT FROM A DA PARATRANSIT REQUIREMENTS, MEANING THAT WHEN THE VERDE SHUTTLE COMES THROUGH SEDONA, RIGHT NOW, WE DO NOT HAVE TO DEPLOY A SEPARATE A DA PARATRANSIT SERVICE.
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THAT IS A FIRST DOOR TO FIRST DOOR SERVICE FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES THAT CANNOT ACCESS THE FIXED ROUTE SERVICE.SO RIGHT NOW, SEDONA DOES NOT NEED TO DO THAT.
WHEN, WHEN WE PLAN THE MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE THAT CAN SERVE DOUBLE DUTY, AND AT SUCH TIME WHEN WE DO DEPLOY REGULAR FIXED ROUTE SERVICES THAT ARE NON, UH, COMMUTE, UH, OUR, OUR NOT DEDICATED COMMUTER SERVICES, WE CAN CO-MINGLE THOSE TRIPS WITH OUR MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE AND NOT HAVE TO STAND UP TO A WHOLE DIFFERENT, UH, MODE OF TRANSIT.
SO, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A MIXED BAG OUT THERE.
THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITIES THAT THEY'LL HAVE FIVE VEHICLES ON THE ROAD AND BUT, BUT THEY ALL WERE LOCALLY FUNDED AND THEY BOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THEY BOUGHT, UH, FREE WITHOUT A DA, BUT ANYTHING WITH FEDERAL INTEREST, UH, WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A DA, UM, HIS BEST PRACTICE COUNSELOR, THAT ALL YOUR VEHICLES ARE A DA ACCESSIBLE.
AND THAT'S WHERE SODO IS RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS A UNBELIEVABLY COMPLEX TOPIC.
SO THAT'S A, A GREAT INTRO ANSWER FOR ME.
UM, ANYWAY, SO THIS IS, THESE ARE THE BULLET POINTS ON A DA SERVICE, ANIMALS, ET CETERA.
OUR COACH OPERATORS HAVE TO BE TRAINED TO PROFICIENCY IN, UH, IN MANAGING AND WORKING WITH INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES.
UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE, UH, CIVIL RIGHTS REQUIREMENT FOR THE CITY, WHICH DOES MEET TITLE VI.
UH, SO WE ABSOLUTELY CANNOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ANYBODY WITH THESE SERVICES.
I OFTEN GET QUESTIONS, WELL, WHY CAN'T, WHY CAN'T A RESIDENT OR A WORKER GET PRIORITY OVER SOMEBODY THAT'S VISITING US FROM OKLAHOMA? WELL, THIS ANSWERS THAT, BUT WE REALLY CAN'T DO THAT.
IT'S A PUBLIC, IT'S A PUBLIC SYSTEM.
IT'S OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
UM, AND THAT INCLUDES ALL OF OUR FACILITIES AS WELL AS AS OUR VEHICLES.
UM, AGAIN, I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE SLEW OF, UH, FTA TERMS THAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY.
UH, THESE, THESE ARE PROBABLY THE MOST NOTABLE.
UM, BUT BASICALLY IT'S LIKE THE CARPET UNDER OUR FEET.
E EVERYTHING IS REGULATED FROM THE WAY IN WHICH WE MAINTAIN VEHICLES, HOW MANY SPARES WE CAN HAVE IN OUR FLEET.
UM, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW WE TRACK OUR NTD DATABASE.
WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT A DA PARATRANSIT, HOW OUR PERSONNEL ARE TRAINED, UM, DISCOUNTED FARES.
UH, THIS, THIS COUNCIL WENT THROUGH THAT WHOLE EXERCISE WHEN THEY, UM, APPROVED THE FAIR FOR THE NEW CONNECT SERVICE.
BUT THE, THE LIST IS LONGER THAN THIS FOR THESE KIND OF HIGH POINTS.
COURSE, UM, SUBSTANCE ABUSE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THIS IS A RANDOM TESTING THAT, UH, THE COACH OPERATORS AND, AND ANYONE DOING SAFETY SENSITIVE WORK, WHETHER IT'S AN OPERATION SUPERVISOR, A DISPATCHER, OR A DRIVER, ARE SUBJECT TO THESE FEDERAL TESTING REQUIREMENTS.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT MARI IS STILL ON THAT LIST, AND WE DO LOSE OUR, OUR CONTRACTOR RATHER LOSES A LOT OF CANDIDATES THAT, UH, SENT OUR TESTING POSITIVE FOR THC.
'CAUSE OTHER FEDERAL LAW, UH, MARIJUANA IS STILL ILLEGAL.
LITTLE BIT ON THE COACH OPERATOR TRAINING, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND.
AND WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE INTO SOME OF THE FUNDING THINGS.
UM, PRETTY EXTENSIVE TRAINING BY THE TIME THERE, OUR CONTRACTOR RECRUITS THEM.
THESE ARE THE, THE, UM, BULLET POINTS OF THE, THE TRAINING COMPONENTS THAT EACH OF THESE DRIVERS HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
UM, I WON'T GO THROUGH EVERY ONE, BUT THE NEXT SLIDE WILL GIVE YOU AN IDEA.
OF THE TOTAL TRAINING BEFORE A COACH OPERATOR IS CLEARED FOR INDEPENDENT DUTY, OVER 20, UH, 23 HOURS OF CLASSROOM PRE DRIVING SKILLS OBSERVATION BEHIND THE WHEEL TRAINING THAT IS WITHOUT A PASSENGER ON BOARD LINE INSTRUCTION WITH A PASSENGER ON BOARD TOTALING OVER 110 HOURS.
AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THEIR CLASS B CERTIFICATION.
UM, OR, I'M SORRY, WHAT STATE AM I IN? ARIZONA CLASS C CERTIFICATION FOR, UH, FOR THE COMMERCIAL LICENSE.
THAT, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER SUBSECTION THAT'S NOT LISTED HERE.
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NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.SO, I THINK SOME OF YOU UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT I DID WANT TO PUT THIS UP THERE TO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN URBAN AREA AND A RURAL AREA.
WE HAVE A POPULATION OF LESS THAN 50,000.
THEN WE HAVE URBAN AREAS WITH POPULATIONS OR OF, UH, OVER 50,000.
UH, THERE'S SMALL URBAN, LARGE URBAN.
THEN YOU GET, YOU GET INTO THE, LIKE, THE BIG CITIES LIKE, UH, SAN FRANCISCO AND PHOENIX AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND THAT, THAT HAS A FULL, THAT HAS A LARGE URBAN CLASSIFICATION.
THIS IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT DICTATES HOW WE GET OUR FUNDING.
SO THE IDEA IS TO ACCESS AS MUCH FEDERAL FUNDING AS YOU CAN TO LOWER YOUR LOCAL SUBSIDY.
UH, THESE ARE VERY EXPENSIVE SERVICES TO, UM, TO IMPLEMENT.
SO THE, THE WAY, DO I HAVE A QUESTION OR IS IT JUST FEEDBACK? OKAY.
SO IN ARIZONA, WE HAVE A STATE, THE STATE, D-O-T-A-O.
THEY HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO FEDERAL FUNDING THROUGH THE FTA.
AND THEY'RE CONSIDERED A DESIGNATED RECIPIENT OF F FT A FUNDS URBAN AREAS LIKE FLAGSTAFF, UH, PRESCOTT, PHOENIX, THEY'RE A DIRECT RECIPIENT OF, UH, FT A FUNDS AND, AND COMPLY, UH, I'M SORRY, APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FTA FOR THESE LARGER POOLS OF COMPETITIVE MONEY.
UM, TRIBES LIKE OUR, OUR FRIENDS AT THE YAVAPAI APACHE NATION, THEY'RE ON A, THEY, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SEPARATE FUNDING SOURCES THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO DIRECTLY THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO INCLUDE, UH, SUBSECTION WITHIN THE FTA RURAL AREAS SUCH AS COTTONWOOD, SEDONA, UH, SHOW LOW, ET CETERA.
OUR POPULATIONS ARE UNDER 50,000.
SO WE DON'T HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO FEDERAL FUNDING, WHICH MEANS THAT WE ARE LIMITED TO THE AMOUNT OF FEDERAL FUNDING WE HAVE ACCESS TO.
AND ALL OF THAT PASSES THROUGH THE STATE, IN THIS CASE, ADOT AS A DESIGNATED RECIPIENT.
SO IN THE NEXT SLIDE, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
THIS WILL BE, THIS IS GONNA GIVE, THIS SLIDE GIVES YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THE FUNDING GAP THAT WE HAVE IN RURAL ARIZONA JUST FOR FT A 53 11 FUNDS.
THE F FDA 53 11, UH, PROGRAM IS SPECIFICALLY FOR RURAL COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.
IT CAN PROVIDE OPERATING FUNDS, PLANNING FUNDS, ADMINISTRATIVE FUNDS, AND CAPITAL FUNDS.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, IN ARIZONA, WE'VE GOT OVER A 45% FUNDING GAP.
SO THIS IS, THIS SLIDE I UPDATED BASED ON THE LAST FUNDING CYCLE, UM, WHICH JUST STARTED OCTOBER 1ST UNDER THEIR FEDERAL YEAR.
YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE $31 MILLION IN THE REQUEST STATEWIDE, HOWEVER, THEY ONLY HAD 17,000, I'M SORRY, 17 MILLION APPROPRIATED.
SO THAT'S A PRETTY HUGE FUNDING GAP.
SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF SMALL RURAL AGENCIES, SEDONA BEING ONE OF THEM, COMPETING FOR, YOU KNOW, SCARCE FEDERAL FUNDING, AT LEAST THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.
SO, OTHER FEDERAL GRANTS PROGRAMS, UH, THAT ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE FDA AT LAST COUNT, THE FDA HAD 41 ACTIVE COMPETITIVE GRANT PROGRAMS FOR FEDERAL ASSISTANCE WITH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
BUT KEEP IN MIND THE PREVIOUS SLIDES, WE DON'T HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO ALL OF THIS MONEY.
UH, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME ACCESS THROUGH 53 39, WHICH IS BUS AND BUS FACILITY, BUT THAT'S ONLY CAPPED AT THE STATES.
AND IF THE STATE BEING THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT, THEY ONLY GET 4 MILLION A YEAR STATEWIDE FOR BUS AND BUS FACILITIES.
WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE THEM BUY THREE OF OUR SIX MICRO CHANCE VEHICLES.
BUT STILL A LOT OF THIS OTHER FUNDING, YOU HAVE TO BE A DIRECT RECIPIENT OR DESIGNATED RECIPIENT TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THIS MONEY OR PARTNER, PARTNER WITH A DIRECT RECIPIENT OR DESIGNATED RECIPIENT.
AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN OUR GOVERNANCE DISCUSSION.
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SO THESE ARE SOME OTHER GRANT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE STAFF HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT.UH, SEDONA IS UNIQUE IN THAT WE ARE SURROUNDED BY FEDERAL PUBLIC LANDS, AND ONE CAN ARGUE THAT BECAUSE OF THOSE FEDERAL PUBLIC LANDS, THAT THERE'S A DIRECT CORRELATION TO OUR TRAFFIC AND PARKING CONGESTION AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING THIS EVENING.
SO I'VE PUT MY LENS ON PRO ON PROGRAMS LIKE FEDERAL LANDS ACCESS PROGRAM, THAT IS NOT FTA, THAT'S THROUGH U-S-D-O-T AS IS THE SECOND ONE THERE.
THE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM, THERE'S FLEX FUNDING.
WE CAN LOOK AT, UM, REBUILDING AMERICAN INFRASTRUCTURES, UH, RAISE GRANTS, UH, TIA LOANS.
THOSE ARE LOW INTEREST FEDERAL LOANS.
SO WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS TYPE OF FUNDING AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT THE, THE, THE TRANSIT SYSTEM.
UM, AND THEN OTHER, OF COURSE IS DIRECT CONGRESSIONAL APPROPRIATIONS, WHICH IS HIGHLY COMPETITIVE, BUT WE, WE HAVE OUR EYE ON THAT AS WELL.
NOW HERE'S, I'M GONNA TRY TO BE KIND HERE WITH THE STATE.
UH, THE STATE, THE, I I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE TO THIS, TO THIS COUNCIL THAT ACCORDING TO THE ARIZONA TRANSIT ASSOCIATION, THE STATE OF ARIZONA IS ONLY ONE OF FOUR STATES IN THE UNION THAT DO NOT HAVE ANY TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION FUNDING PROGRAMMED FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT IN ITS RURAL AREAS, OR FRANKLY, BUT MOSTLY IN ITS URBAN.
UM, THEY, UH, LOCALLY OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE COUNTY EXCISE TAXES.
WE CAN LOOK AT, UM, OTHER GRAND OPPORTUNITIES THAT THAT MAY COME ABOUT THROUGH, THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, THE STATE SYSTEM.
UM, WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY OF S'S TRANSPORTATION PRIVILEGE TAX.
AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THE CITY OF SEDONA IS THE ONLY RURAL SELF-HELP CITY IN, UH, THE STATE OF ARIZONA THAT HAS IMPLEMENTED SUCH A TAX.
SO ROUND OF APPLAUSE,
BUT OTHER THINGS WE CAN LOOK AT ALSO FOR, FOR POTENTIAL REVENUES IS PARKING REVENUE, PASSENGER FARES, ADVERTISING REVENUE ON THE VEHICLES OR AT THE TRANSIT FACILITIES.
THESE ARE ALL THE POSSIBILITIES THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FAILED TO MENTION IS THAT IF WE HAD STATE DOLLARS INFUSED, YOU KNOW, FOR THE MUNICIPALITIES AND THE COUNTIES WITHIN ARIZONA, THOSE STATE DOLLARS COULD BE USED TOWARD LOCAL MATCH OF FEDERAL DOLLARS.
SO WE COULD MAKE THOSE FEDERAL DOLLARS GO OPEN UP FURTHER IF WE HAD SOME STATE DOLLARS TO, TO HELP US WITH THAT.
SO, LEVERAGING FEDERAL FUNDS, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I JUST ALLUDED TO.
UM, MOST FEDERAL GRANTS FOR, UH, ARE FOR, ARE MOST FEDERAL GRANTS, I'M SORRY, ARE FOR TRANSIT CAPITAL PROJECTS, BUS, BUS FACILITY.
AND THEY COULD PROBABLY PROVIDE UP TO 80% FEDERAL SHARE.
THAT'S 80 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR TO 85 CENTS SOMETHING DOLLAR FOR A NEW BUS OR A NEW BUS FACILITY, UM, OPERATING.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE 53 11 PROGRAM, WE'RE MORE LIKE, ASSUMING WE'RE FULLY FUNDED, IT'S, IT MIGHT CAP OUT AT LIKE 40% TO 60% FEDERAL SHARE ON OPERATING SYSTEMS. THE BOTTOM LINE IS, WHEN WE LOOKED AT, WHEN WE LOOK AT F FT A FEDERAL FUNDS, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPERATING FUNDS OUT THERE.
UM, I CARE, I OFTEN TELL PEOPLE THE FEDERAL, THE FT A, THEY LIKE TO BUY YOU STUFF.
THEY LIKE TO BUY YOU A BUS, BUY YOU A FACILITY, BUT THEY WANT LEAVE IT UP THE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS, THE STATES TO ACTUALLY OPERATE THEM AND ABSORB THOSE EXPENSES TO CONTINUE OPERATING 'EM.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, LOCAL OR STATE FUNDS MUST BE APPLIED TOWARD THE LOCAL SHARE FOR ACCESS TO FEDERAL FUNDS.
SO WE CAN USE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE REVENUE SOURCES UNDER LOCAL THAT I MENTIONED, AND STATE REVENUES IF WE WERE TO RECEIVE ANY TOWARDS OUR, UH, TOWARDS OUR MATCH TOWARDS FEDERAL FUNDS.
UM, AS AN EXAMPLE, WE'VE ALREADY SHUTTLE IS ABOUT 40% FUNDED BY 53 11 FTA FUNDS.
AND THEN COTTONWOOD AND THE CITY OF SEDONA, WE, WE EACH PAY OUR SHARE OF THE, THE LOCAL MATCH.
SEDONA PAYS THE LION, THE, THE SEDONA PAYS THE LION'S SHARE OF THAT LOCAL MATCH BECAUSE THE SERVICE
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HAS MORE REVENUE HOURS INVESTED IN SERVING SEDONA.UM, SO THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF HOW TWO AGENCIES CAN PARTNER TO, TO HELP, TO HELP PAY FOR TRANSIT.
WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY THE LION'S SHARE, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DOES THAT MEAN OF THAT 60% LOCAL SHARE OF THAT 60% THAT SEDONA PAYS HALF OF THAT, MORE THAN HALF OF THAT, WE'RE PROBABLY PAYING ABOUT 45% OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME, REVENUE HOURS THAT THE VEHICLE IS ACTUALLY SERVING.
ANYTHING ELSE? SO COTTONWOOD TAKES THE BALANCE 55%? YES.
WELL, THEY TAKE THE BALANCE, BUT OKAY.
YOU KNOW, WHAT DID I SAY LIKE 40% OF THAT LAST TIME I CHECKED IS FEDERAL FUNDING THE ENTIRE SERVICE NO, I, I'M TALKING ABOUT OF THE 60, BUT I, KURT'S GIVING ME AN ANSWER.
SO I THINK I'M, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
UM, WHAT WAS KURT'S ANSWER? YES, YES.
SO, YEAH, I WAS LOOKING AT THAT KURT, AND I'M WONDERING WHAT HIS, OH NO, THIS LEGAL KURT AND ILLEGAL KURT
SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE ANYMORE, UM, I WANNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT GOVERNANCE.
UM, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2021, AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I THINK THIS COUNCIL WANTED ANSWERED TONIGHT IS WHAT'S NEXT? MM-HMM.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK UNTIL WE FIND A WAY TO WORK THROUGH THOSE FUNDING CHALLENGES WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, UM, I DON'T SEE A WAY FORWARD TO FUND THE SEDONA AREA JANSEN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WHICH IS A FEW SLIDES FORWARD TO, ITS, TO ITS FULL CAPABILITY.
AND TO DO THAT, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS LIKE, HOW DO WE, HOW CAN WE GAIN DIRECT ACCESS TO THE LARGER POOLS OF COM COMPETITIVE FTA FUNDING? YEAH, THAT'S BEEN MY BIG QUESTION MARK, SINCE I'VE SET FOOT HERE, SINCE I ARRIVED.
AND RIGHT NOW, IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
OUR CURRENT SITUATION, WE HAVE MULTIPLE RURAL MUNICIPALITIES IN Y PI COUNTY, EACH PROVIDING SEPARATE TRANSIT SERVICES, WHICH LEND ITSELF TO, IN MY VIEW, A DUPLICATION OF EFFORT, TRANSIT PLANNING, DIFFERENT INSURANCE POOLS, PROCUREMENT, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, VEHICLE PROCUREMENT, MARKETING, HIRING, TRAINING.
THE LIST GOES ON WHERE IT'S CAUSING US ALL TO COMPETE WITH EACH OTHER FOR THOSE LIMITED FEDERAL DOLLARS.
AND ALL OF THOSE MUNICIPALITIES, I CAN LIST 'EM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YAVAPI REGIONAL TRANSIT, UH, THERE'S PRESCOTT, UM, TRANSIT, WHICH IS RECENTLY LAUNCHED, ITS OWN MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE.
THERE'S COTTONWOOD AND THEN THERE'S US.
SO WE GOT FOUR THESE AREAS OUT THERE.
NOW, I'M GONNA GET INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT PRESCOTT, BUT THEY HAVE THE POPULATION BASE, THEY'RE OVER 50,000, SO THEY HAVE BETTER ACCESS TO FEDERAL FUNDING THAN WE DO.
UM, BUT STILL, EVEN WITHIN THE PRESCOTT AREA, PRESCOTT VALLEY, PRESCOTT, YOU'VE GOT TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES PROVIDING TRANSIT SERVICE AND THERE'S NO SYNERGY, THERE'S NO ECONOMY OF SCALE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE DUPLICATING EFFORTS, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL THOSE, THOSE REASONS I MENTIONED, UM, ROBERT, AND YES.
CAN I ASK A A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS? THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE, IF BY THE GRACE OF GOD, SOMEHOW ALL OF THE VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITIES GOT TOGETHER AND, AND ENDED UP IN A SINGLE TRANSIT, UH, ENTITY, WOULD THE POPULATION BE MORE THAN 50,000? AND WOULD THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE?
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COULD DO YOU POOL YOUR POPULATION THEN TOO, TO BE ABLE TO HIT THAT 50,000 TRIGGER? IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE FORM OF GOVERNANCE, WHICH IS GONNA BE THE, I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE.YOU CAN, YOU CAN ANSWER THAT WHEN YOU DO THAT.
I NOT HERE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM TONIGHT.
MY, MY, MY GOAL WAS TO GIVE THIS COUNCIL A VENUE OF OPTIONS TO BE THINKING ABOUT.
UM, AND THEN JUST A, A, A BACKGROUND QUESTION AGAIN, MAYBE YOU'VE GOT THAT PLAN TO TALK ABOUT, BUT YOU, YOU SH YOU KNOW, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT VERDE SHUTTLE ALREADY.
IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN THE COTTONWOOD AREA TRANSIT, THE CAT PROGRAM THAT RUNS AROUND COTTONWOOD? AND THEN YOU MENTIONED ANOTHER ONE THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH, A YAVAPI SOMETHING.
WHAT SERVICE DOES THAT PROVIDE? YEAH, SO WE'LL START WITH THE VERDE SHUTTLE.
VERDE SHUTTLE IS PART OF THE CAT SYSTEM.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT IS FUNDED, LIKE I SAID, BY, WITH THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN SEDONA COTTONWOOD AND THE FTA.
SO IT IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE CAT SYSTEM.
IT'S BRANDED DIFFERENTLY, SO IT COULD BE MARKETED DIFFERENTLY.
UM, BUT IT WAS ORIGINALLY SET UP BEFORE MY TIME AS A DEDICATED COMMUTER ROUTE.
WE'VE BEEN CAREFUL NOT TO DIVERT IT INTO NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALL THESE OTHER AREAS WHERE SUDDENLY IT NO LONGER FITS THAT CRITERIA.
PLEASE CLARIFY SOMETHING FOR ME.
THE, THE 27% OF THE VERDE SHUTTLE COSTS THAT BY MY CALCULATIONS, THAT SEDONA IS PAYING, THAT ONLY GOES TO VERDE'S SHUTTLE NOT INTO THE REST OF THE CAT SYSTEM.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT, UH, THEIR BOOKS SHOW, YES.
IT'S JUST, JUST TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.
IS THE AMOUNT OF DEADHEAD TIME GOING BACK AND FORTH ALL DAY BETWEEN SEDONA AND COTTONWOOD? UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THE VERDE SHUTTLE AND RESTRUCTURING IT.
UM, BUT I'M CAREFUL TO DO THAT UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT THE A DA PARATRANSIT IMPLICATIONS.
SO, UM, BUT YOUR SECOND QUESTION, COUNSELOR WAS THE ARI REGIONAL, UH, TRANSIT, VERY SMALL AGENCY THAT PROVIDES, UH, FIXED ROUTE, LIMITED FIXED ROUTE SERVICE IN PRESCOTT.
NOT TERRIBLY HIGH RIDERSHIP NUMBERS COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, THE SEDONA SHUTTLES, BUT, UM, THEY'RE AN IN, I JUST HAD IT EXPLAINED TO YOU BY
THEY'RE AN INDEPENDENT BOARD OF DIRECTORS MADE UP OF, I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT, WHAT THE COMPOSITE IS.
UM, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL ON THERE, BUT THERE'S BUSINESS PEOPLE, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE.
IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, BUT IT IS, IT IS A SEPARATE SYSTEM THAN, THAN, UM, THE SIM POST SYSTEM, WHICH I'M GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN A MINUTE.
AND DID IT OP, DOES IT OPERATE MOSTLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MINGUS IN THE PRESCOTT AREA OR, YEAH, ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY.
IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE.
THIS ACTUALLY CAME TO US FROM, UH, NA COD YA PASSENGER TRANSPORTATION STUDY THAT THEY, THEY PUBLISHED IN 2021.
THIS IS WHERE WE GET INTO THE MENU OF OPTIONS ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF GOVERNANCE STRUCTURES WE COULD BE LOOKING AT TO BRING, TO BRING ALL THESE COMMUNITIES UNDER ONE LEADERSHIP MODEL FOR, UH, PUBLIC TRANSIT TO INCREASE ITS ACCESS TO FEDERAL FUNDS AND TO, YOU KNOW, INCREASE EFFICIENCY HOPEFULLY, AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THOSE SYNERGIES WE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, THERE'S A COUNTY TRANSIT SYSTEM LED BY, SAY, SEATTLE HIGH COUNTY.
THERE'S A METROPOLITAN METROPOLITAN PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM, NPTA, UH, MY MEETINGS WITH OG, WE BELIEVE THAT MIGHT TAKE STATE LEGISLATIVE ACTION TO FORM SUCH A BODY.
UH, SAME WITH THE NEXT ONE, THE RTA REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY THAT MAY ALSO TAKE STATE LEGISLATION.
ONE THAT'S NOT ON HERE IS A TRANSIT DISTRICT.
WE KNOW, I KNOW HAVING BEEN INVOLVED IN BUILDING A DISTRICT IN CALIFORNIA THAT DID REQUIRE STATE LEGISLATION TO TO, TO GET THAT DONE, THERE'S A JPA, UM, THERE'S, UH, INTERGOVERNMENT AGREEMENTS.
UM, THEN THERE'S, UH, THIS LAST ONE AGAIN, GOVERNMENTAL PUBLIC TRANSIT AUTHORITY.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT.
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YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT MY 2 CENTS WOULD BE ANY TYPE OF GOVERNANCE, SHOULD THE ENTIRE COUNTY OF THE AMPLIFY COME TOGETHER AND DECIDE THAT TO PUT TRANSIT UNDER ONE, UM, SYSTEM OF GOVERNANCE, MY 2 CENTS WOULD BE BE SURE THAT IT HAS INDEPENDENT TAXING AUTHORITY.THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY RECOMMENDATION.
A LOT OF THESE, SOME OF THESE STONE, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE DISADVANTAGES TO THIS, ROBERT, UH, ROBERT.
SO IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YBA COUNTY IN PARTICULAR, UH, COULDN'T FUND A TRANSIT SYSTEM BECAUSE THERE WAS NO TAXING AUTHORITY, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A LODGING TAX TO WORK WITH ALL THE, UH, COUNTIES IN THE STATE TO, TO CREATE THE APPROVAL, UH, FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO ALLOW THEM TO TAX FOR LODGING.
AND EVERY COUNTY WOULD USE THAT TAX MONEY FOR A TRANSIT SYSTEM OF THEIR CHOOSING.
AND THEY WERE NEVER ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY PARTICULAR, UH, PARTICULARLY IT WOULD BE, YEAH, BY COUNTY NEVER MOVED FORWARD.
THAT CAME TO ME FROM RANDY GARRISON TO FORMER NO SUPERVISOR GO.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'VE HEARD AS WELL? OR IS THERE SOMETHING MORE TO IT? I HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT.
I HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT ABOUT COUNTY FUNDING FOR TRANSIT, EITHER FROM THE YAVAPI OR COCAINO.
BUT THOSE, IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT WERE TO OCCUR, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
BUT I STILL WOULD LOOK AT A FORM OF GOVERNANCE TO BRING ALL THESE SYSTEMS TOGETHER UNDER ONE UMBRELLA TO INCREASE ITS ACCESS TO FEDERAL COMPETITIVE GRANTS, UM, BECAUSE THEY COULD USE THAT TAX, WHETHER IT'S LODGING OR, OR SOME OTHER MEANS, UH, AS TO, TO LEVERAGE THAT FEDERAL MONEY.
NOTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE? NO, THIS IS, THIS IS IN YOUR SLIDE DECK, SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN STUDY THIS AND PONDER IT.
MAYOR ROBERT, I, I WILL ASK ONE FINAL QUESTION ABOUT THAT SLIDE.
YOU TOLD US IN THE SOURCES ON THE BOTTOM, THE NACO STUDY IN 2021.
WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE AND OR RESULT OF THAT NACOG STUDY BACK IN 2021? WERE THEY LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL FOR REGIONAL TRANSIT MODELS? I THINK, I THINK THAT WAS THE CASE.
UH, THIS STUDY BEGAN BEFORE MY ARRIVAL.
UM, I THINK THIS ISSUE'S BEEN TOYED WITH AND TALKED ABOUT AND STUDIED, BUT I THINK THAT TO ANSWER THIS COUNCIL'S QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT, I REALLY THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE A HARDER LOOK AT GOVERNANCE TO ALLOW, YOU KNOW, MORE ACCESS, DIRECT ACCESS TO FEDERAL FUNDS TO MOVE IN THE NEXT STEPS, WHICH WOULD BE EXAMPLE, EXTENDING SERVICES TO THE VOC, EXTENDING CONNECTIVITY TO OAK CREEK CANYON, EXTENDING, UH, SERVICES TO, UM, CAMP VERDE TO PROVIDE THAT KIND OF REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY.
UM, MOST ALL OF WHICH HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE SEDONA TRANSIT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WHICH IS A COUPLE SLIDES FORWARD.
BUT, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, BUT I, I THINK THAT THIS HAS BEEN LOOKED AT.
BUT I THINK EVENTUALLY IT'S GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, BE SERIOUSLY LOOKED AT IF ALL THESE COMMUNITIES WANT TO MOVE THEIR TRANSIT SYSTEMS FORWARD AND START BUILDING CONNECTIVITY BEFORE THE, THE, UH, BETWEEN THESE COMMUNITIES.
UM, IT'S GONNA TAKE THE INVOLVEMENT OF PUBLIC OFFICIALS THAT ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS STUFF TO HELP BUILD IT, YOU KNOW, TO DO, TO, TO MOVE THIS NEEDLE THAT'S GONNA TAKE, YOU KNOW, CHAMPIONS OF ELECTED OFFICIALS INVOLVED AND, AND A LOT OF NEGOTIATION, FRANKLY, BETWEEN THE MUNICIPALITIES AND THE COUNTIES, UH, TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN.
BUT I HAVE A COUPLE MORE OPTIONS FOR YOU GUYS TO THINK ABOUT AND, AND I CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
WELL, BEFORE YOU DO, THE VICE MAYOR HAS A QUESTION AND WE, I'D LIKE TO TRY TO CONTINUE THIS TO MOVE ALONG.
UH, NICE TO SEE YOU ON THE SCREEN.
HAVE YOU ENGAGED IN ANY DIALOGUE WITH OTHER, UH, CITIES OR TOWNS OR THE COUNTIES IN PURSUIT OF THIS POTENTIAL GOVERNANCE RESTRUCTURING? I HAVE NOT, EXCEPT THROUGH NACO.
I WOULD'VE BEEN ABOVE MY PAY GRADE, I THINK, TO START SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND WHAT IS NA CO'S POINT OF VIEW? THEY'RE OPEN TO ANY AND ALL.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UM, THEY,
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THEY FIRST FOUND THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE TO BE THE LAST OPTION ON THIS TABLE, WHICH IS THE IPTA.AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE WILL SHOW YOU WHAT HAPPENED, WHICH KIND OF, WHICH KIND OF PUT THAT ON, ON HOLD.
THAT'LL HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
SO EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST OF THIS YEAR, THE, UM, SIMO, THE CENTRAL YBA PI, COUNTY METROPOLITAN PLANNING AGENCY, THEY'RE AN MPO, YOU PROBABLY HAVE HEARD OF THEM.
THEY EXPLA, THEY EXPANDED THEIR PLA UH, PLANNING BOUNDARIES EXTENSIVELY IN YAVAPAI COUNTY.
SO AS OF JUNE 30TH, THAT WAS THEIR PLANNING BOUNDARY AS OF JULY 1ST, THEIR PLANNING BOUNDARY NOW INCLUDES ALL OF AREA B AND AREA A, AREA C IS WHERE WE LIVE.
UM, VERDE VALLEY, THAT IS STILL UNDER NACO.
THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TERRITORY.
SIMULTANEOUSLY, SIMO ACQUIRED AN OPERATING ARM FOR TRANSIT, WHICH IS NOT COMPLETELY UNHEARD OF.
THERE'S LIKE 60 NPOS AND COLLEAGUES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE AN OPERATING ARM IN TRANSIT.
THEY ACQUIRED THE, THE, THE TOWN OF PRESCOTT VALLEY ESSENTIALLY TURNED OVER THEIR TRANSIT, THEIR FLEDGLING TRANSIT SYSTEM, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A MICRO TRANSIT SYSTEM, UH, TO SIMCO.
SO THEY'VE GOT THEIR FOOT IN THE WATER THERE AS WELL.
WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY DISCUSSION WITH SIM O ABOUT FURTHER EXPANSION INTO AREA C.
UM, IT'S, THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS SLIDE IS THAT SIM O BECAUSE OF THEIR POPULATION BASE, THERE'RE A DIRECT RECIPIENT OF FDA FUNDS.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
UM, BUT I JUST THOUGHT THIS IS A REALLY INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT.
AND TO ANSWER THE EARLIER QUESTION THAT GAVE OGS SOME PAUSE TO PULL BACK ON THEIR PURSUIT OF THE, UM, THAT FORM OF GOVERNANCE WE, WE TALKED ABOUT WITH A REALLY LONG ACRONYM THAT'S JUST ESCAPING ME RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE.
THE VERY, VERY RECENT HISTORY IN, IN, UH, YPI COUNTY MAYOR, UM, INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT, I THOUGHT.
UM, BUT THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT LAND GRAB FOR, UM, PLANNING RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE CALLING IT THEIR PLANNING BOUNDARY.
I, I, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO 'EM.
I DON'T KNOW, ARE THEY INTERESTED IN, IN, UH, INCREASING THEIR OPERATING ARM? WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED TO ANY OF OUR OTHER, YOU KNOW, PARTNERS LIKE COTTONWOOD OR ANYBODY.
THIS, THIS IS ALL JUST WHAT IF STUFF.
NOW I WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT, CERTAINLY TO THE, TO THE LISTENING AUDIENCE THAT THIS IS ALL JUST WHAT IF WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OFFICIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH ANY OF THESE ENTITIES ABOUT AN OFFICIAL GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT.
THIS IS PURELY EDUCATIONAL FOR OUR COUNCIL.
UM, AS, AS WE CONTEMPLATE, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE CHANGES IN GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE, THE EXPERIENCE THAT THE VERDE VALLEY HAS WITH YAVAPI COLLEGE IS JUST LIKE GOING OFF IN, YOU KNOW, MAJOR RED LIGHTS RIGHT NOW IN MY HEAD SAYING, OKAY, IF WE END UP IN A LARGER REGIONAL PLANNING ORGANIZATION FOR TRANSIT, YOU KNOW, WHAT RISKS DO WE RUN OF LOSING CONTROL OVER ACTUALLY GETTING DONE WHAT WE WANT TO GET DONE? AND ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING JUST REVOLVES AROUND PRESCOTT AND OUR PLANS COME TO A GRINDING HALT AND WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE MAYBE ONE IN A PARTIAL OUT OF X NUMBER OF BOARD MEMBERS IN THIS ORGANIZATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, HOW DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE, UH, ANY INSIGHT WHERE A LARGER REGIONAL ORGANIZATION HAS COME INTO EXISTENCE AND IT DIDN'T LEAVE PARTICULAR, UH, CONSTITUENT GROUPS SHORTCHANGED IN THE PROCESS? WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY LIMITED EXPERIENCE IN HELPING BUILD A DISTRICT IN CALIFORNIA, ALL OF THOSE ANXIETIES WERE VERY MUCH REAL GOING INTO IT.
UM, BUT WHAT PEOPLE DIDN'T REALIZE WAS, AND WE HAD TO
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POINT THIS OUT GOING WELL, BECAUSE WE'RE RECEIVING FEDERAL DOLLARS, IF WE GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE AND WE TALKED ABOUT TITLE VI, THAT MEANS THAT WE CAN'T PROVIDE FIVE DIAMOND SERVICE TO PRESCOTT AND GIVE SEDONA TO DIAMOND SERVICE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S FEDERAL.SO IT HAS TO BE ACROSS THE BOARD.
IN FACT, TRANSIT AGENCIES ARE ACTUALLY AUDITED ON THIS ABOUT EVERY THREE YEARS.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT FAVORING ONE COMMUNITY OVER THE OTHER WITH LEVELS OF SERVICE, QUALITY OF SERVICE, THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO IT DOES HELP TO SELF LEVEL THAT, BUT THERE IS ALWAYS THAT ANXIETY OF LOSS OF CONTROL, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU HAVE MAYBE ONE REPRESENTATIVE NOW SITTING ON A GOVERNING BOARD, BUT THERE'S FEDERAL OVERSIGHT ON TOP OF THAT THAT CAN HELP CHECK THOSE ANXIETIES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
I, I HAVE NOT TALKED TO, UH, THEM ABOUT IT AGAIN, BEYOND MY PAY GRADE.
I DIDN'T WANT TO, I DIDN'T WANNA START HAVING DISCUSSIONS ALL OVER THE COUNTY WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING SOME SPECIFIC DIRECTION FROM THIS COUNCIL ON NEXT STEPS.
AND CERTAINLY WE MAY NOT GET THERE TONIGHT, BUT HOPEFULLY THIS WILL PLANT THE SEED ABOUT WHAT I REALLY BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START LOOKING AT TO BUILD THE SYSTEM OUT, UM, TO, TO WHERE WE HAD PLANNED ORIGINALLY IN, UH, IN 2020.
UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, ROBERT, I'VE GOT ONE LAST QUESTION ABOUT THE MATERIALS SO FAR IN, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE ARE, ARE THERE SUCCESSFUL EXISTING TRANS AUTHORITIES THAT DEAL WITH MORE THAN ONE COUNTY? YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FACE THE IDEA OF TO BE SUCCESSFUL COCONINO AND YAVAPAI.
I, I DON'T HAVE ONE THAT COMES TO MIND, BUT IT DOES RAISE AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
WE COULD CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK.
UM, I CAN CERTAINLY POINT TO A NUMBER OF SUCCESSFUL TRANSIT DISTRICTS AND GOVERNANCE FORMS. UH, BUT, UM, THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
SO GO AHEAD AND ANSWER FOR YOU.
SORRY, ONE THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
UH, COUNCILOR PETE, ARE YOU ASKING FROM SPECIFICALLY LIKE A, A RURAL PERSPECTIVE? 'CAUSE I MEAN, LIKE, LIKE LANZA IS SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE IN TWO COUNTIES AND IT HAS MARTA THAT SUPPORTS ACTUALLY BEYOND, WELL, CERTAINLY THOSE TWO COUNTIES.
SO IT CAN BE DONE, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL, RIGHT? SCALE WISE.
AND, AND IT MIGHT POINT WHO, I DON'T KNOW, DOES IT POINT TO A PARTICULAR GOVERNANCE MODEL THAT WOULD BE MORE SUCCESSFUL? BECAUSE YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH MULTIPLE COUNTIES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S KIND OF AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION THAT WAY.
WELL, I DO KNOW THAT, I MEAN, EACH COUNTY WOULD GET ONE SEAT AT THE TABLE, JUST LIKE EACH MUNICIPALITY.
UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO ADD, AND I, I WAS REMISS, I DID NOT INCLUDE A SLIDE AS ANOTHER POTENTIAL LEAD AGENCY IN SUCH AN ENDEAVOR.
AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, NATA, UM, NORTHERN ARIZONA PUBLIC TRANSIT, NORTHERN ARIZONA, INTERGOVERNMENTAL PUBLIC TRANSIT AUTHORITY, BETTER KNOWN AS MOUNTAIN LION, UM, IN FLAGSTAFF.
UM, THEY ARE A DIRECT RECIPIENT OF FEDERAL FUNDS.
THEY'RE A VERY SUCCESSFUL, VERY PROGRESSIVE AGENCY.
THEY'RE BUILDING FAC NEW FACILITIES.
THEY ARE ALREADY A TRANSITIONING TO ZERO EMISSION BUS.
UM, I JUST HAD LUNCH WITH THE GM A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AND DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEIR LAST ATTEMPT TO HELP S SEDONA DID NOT GO VERY WELL ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO, SHE DIDN'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE COULDN'T BE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THEM.
NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT GOVERNANCE, BUT ABOUT PERHAPS PARTNERING WITH 'EM ON, ON SPECIFIC, UM, GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.
LIKE, LIKE THE, UM, IF WE WANTED TO BUY A BUNCH OF LOW NO BUSES, FOR EXAMPLE, ZERO EMISSION BUSES.
UM, NOW SHE COULDN'T, SHE COULDN'T SPEAK FOR HER BOARD, BUT, BUT SHE DIDN'T SEEM THAT SHE, SHE SEEMED OPEN TO THAT DISCUSSION.
SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER POSSIBILITY.
UM, ALSO, AND I THINK THAT ANY DISCUSSIONS IN, IN REGIONAL GOVERNANCE, WE'D WANT TO
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HAVE THE, THE TABLE.SO, UM, WITH THAT, JUST A REAL QUICK, COUPLE MORE SLIDES AND I'M, I'M DONE.
UM, JUST ON THE, THE STEP, THE SEDONA AREA TRANS IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
YEAH, SO THIS IS JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW.
REALLY, YOU CAN JUST FOCUS ON THE TABLE ON THE LOWER LEFT.
IT CALLS FOR THREE CORE ROUTES, ONE DEMAND RESPONSE ROUTE, WHICH COULD BE SEVERAL VEHICLES, THE TRAIL SEVEN TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES, UM, AND TWO REGIONAL ROUTES SERVING OAK CREEK CANYON AND THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK, TOTAL OF 13 DIFFERENT, UH, ROUTES OVER TWO DIFFERENT MODES.
UM, THIS IS A, THIS IS A FOUR PHASE 10 YEAR PROJECT.
IT WAS, SO IT WAS GOOD TRANSIT PLANNING.
THIS WAS A TWO AND A HALF YEAR STUDY.
IT WAS SOLID TRANSIT PLANNING.
BUT THE, THE FUNDING PIECE WAS A LITTLE BIT OPTIMISTIC AS I FOUND.
WAS THERE A QUESTION? NO, WE'RE GOOD.
UM, BUT THE FUNDING PIECE WITHIN THE PLAN WAS A LITTLE BIT OPTIMISTIC FROM WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY FINDING FOR THE REASONS I'VE MENTIONED.
UM, SO TO ANSWER THIS BOARD'S QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT, I THINK THESE ARE REASONABLE STEPS TO, TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE S TRANSIT SYSTEM OR REGIONAL TRANSIT SYSTEM PROVIDE THESE, THIS CONNECTIVITY TO THE VOC AND OAK CREEK CANYON.
WE GET A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR TRANSIT SERVICES FROM VOC TO
UM, THESE ARE ABSOLUTELY REASONABLE.
THE QUESTION IS WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT AND HOW, AND TO ANSWER THE COUNCIL'S ORIGINAL QUESTION, WHAT'S NEXT? WELL, WHAT WOULD BE NEXT WOULD BE THE, OBVIOUSLY ESTABLISHING THOSE LEGS, THOSE REGIONAL ROUTES, BUT ALSO THE, THE SYSTEM CALLED FOR A, AN UPTOWN FIXED ROUTE BUS, A WEST SEDONA BUS, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE OAK CREEK CANYON ROUTE.
SO WE, WE, WE DO HAVE IN DRAFT AN RFP FOR A UPTOWN FIXED ROUTE CIRCULAR THAT WE HAVE NOT PUBLISHED YET.
UH, THAT'S BEING PAID FOR MOSTLY WITH FTA PLANNING FUNDS THAT WE HAVE TO USE.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD USE OF THAT MONEY TO HAVE THAT PLAN READY TO GO, UM, TO SUPPORT THE CITY'S, UH, MOVEMENT TOWARDS A CONSOLIDATED PARKING MODEL IN THE UPTOWN PARK WANTS, USE THE CIRCULAR TO GET BETWEEN ALAKA, PA, UM, HILLSIDE AND, AND UPTOWN, THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING BABY STEPS, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE LIMITED BY FUNDING UNTIL WE TAKE A, A BROADER LOOK AT, AT HOW WE CAN WORK AROUND THOSE CHALLENGES.
SO, UM, DO I HAVE ANY MORE SLIDES? TRY ONE MORE.
SO I MEAN, IN SUMMARY, THIS IS JUST ME.
UM, I'M HERE FOR A COUPLE MORE MONTHS, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA BE YEARS.
UM, SO I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH MY THOUGHTS, YOU KNOW, IS OBVIOUSLY WE SHOULD, WE, WE WILL AND CONTINUE TO PURSUE OTHER FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES WHEREVER WE CAN FIND 'EM.
UM, BUT I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF INCREASING OUR, OUR REGIONAL LOBBYING EFFORTS TO REFORM THE STATE'S DECADES OLD MECHANISM FOR COLLECTING DEDICATED TRANSPORTATION REVENUES, WHICH FRANKLY HAVE FAILED TO KEEP PACE WITH THE STATE'S, INCREASING TRANSPORTATION DEEDS TO INCLUDE ANY INVESTMENT IN MULTIMODAL, ARIZONA'S FALLEN BEHIND NEW MEXICO NOW AND IT'S MULTIMODAL INVESTMENTS.
AND WHEN YOU RELY ON A 30-YEAR-OLD GAS TAX, IT HASN'T BEEN INCREASED TO PAY FOR ALL THIS.
UM, IT'S, IT'S TIME THAT THAT GETS LOOKED AT.
UM, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE A LOBBYING EFFORT, THAT'S GONNA BE A, YOU KNOW, A POLITICAL DISCUSSION OBVIOUSLY.
UM, AND THAT'S, IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT TO PROBABLY MOVE THAT NEEDLE.
AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT EXPLORING ALTERNATIVE GOVERNANCE MODELS TO INCREASE OUR DIRECT ACCESS TO THE LARGER, UH, POOLS OF FEDERAL FUNDING.
AND THERE MAY BE OTHER IDEAS OUT THERE TOO, BUT THOSE ARE KIND OF THE, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT, THAT I, THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT JUST ABOUT EVERY DAY.
SO, ROBERT, YOU HAVE, UH, C COUNCILOR FUL HAS
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A QUESTION THEN THE VICE MAYOR.THANK YOU MAYOR ROBERT ON, UH, SLIDE 30.
SO IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO SLIDES, I THINK NOW, KURT.
SO THE, THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT IS OLD, UNDERSTOOD.
AND WE DIDN'T WIND UP IMPLEMENTING PHASE ONE AS DEFINED HERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE MOSTLY IMPLEMENTED PHASE TWO FIRST.
SO DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PLAN? IS THERE A PHASE TWO PLAN AT THIS POINT? IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA SEE NEXT MONTH AT THE PLANNING MEETING? 'CAUSE I'M DEFINITELY UNCLEAR ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT AND WHEN, WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA BE PROPOSED AS THE, THE NEXT, UM, SHUTTLE ROUTES TO RUN OR, OR ANYTHING ELSE.
SO JUST INTERESTED IN SOME INSIGHT THERE.
YEAH, SO WHEN I GOT HERE AND I LOOKED AT THE, THIS, YOU KNOW, PHASE ONE IS THE, UM, THE, THE THREE CORE ROUTES, WELL, ONE OF THOSE WE CAN'T DO BECAUSE OF THE FUNDING ISSUE THAT THAT'S THE VOC.
UM, A DA DEMAND RESPONSE, WELL, WE KIND OF SWITCHED THAT OUT WITH MICROT TRANSIT, WHICH WILL SATISFY THAT, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WITH THE CO-MINGLING OF THOSE TRIPS.
TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES, WE DID FOR THE MOST PART, EXCEPT FOR, UH, JIM THOMPSON, WHICH IS, WE CAN'T ACCESS IT WITH A SHOT OF THE ROAD IS JUST IN SUCH HORRIBLE SHAPE.
SO A PLAN IS A PLAN, AND, AND WE ARE, WE'RE TAKING THE BEST OF THE PLAN AND IMPLEMENTING WHERE WE, WE THINK IT MAKE SENSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PHASE TWO, THE CORE ROUTES.
WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR THE VERDE SHUTTLE.
IT'S PROVIDING HOURLY SERVICE THROUGH WEST SEDONA.
UM, IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE SERVICE THROUGH UPTOWN NOW IT KIND OF DOES.
IT GOES TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S SORT OF MEANDERING ALL OVER THE PLACE.
ONE THOUGHT I HAD IS WHY WOULD WE DEVELOP A WEST SEDONA ROUTE THAT'S CALLED FOR IN THE STIFF WHEN WE HAVE THE VERDE SHUTTLE ALREADY RUNNING, WHY NOT MODIFY IT TO BETTER SUPPORT THE UPTOWN FOCKE AREA WITH THE CIRCULAR? SO I'M NOT SURE IF I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY HEAD'S GOING.
UM, SO AGAIN, THIS WAS A PLAN AND WE'RE GONNA MIX IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND DO, DO WHAT WE THINK MAKES SENSE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO DO THE, THE UPTOWN CIRCULAR STUDY FOR A COUPLE REASONS.
ONE IS IT WILL FEDERALIZE THAT PROJECT, WHICH MEANS THAT I MAY BE ABLE TO BRING IN, OR WE MAY BE ABLE TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL FEDERAL MONEY TO FUND IT, BECAUSE THE PLANNING PART OF IT WOULD BE PARTIALLY FUNDED WITH FEDERAL DOLLARS, BUT IT ALSO MAY SATISFY THAT WHOLE, UH, SUPPORT STRUCTURE FOR THE CONSOLIDATED PARKING MODEL ALONG WITH THE PARK ONCE THEME.
WE COULD PULL BACK THE BERNIE SHUTTLE, SHORT, SHORT TURN IT SOMEWHERE IN WEST SEDONA, MAYBE, UH, TO SAVE ON THOSE, TO SAVE ON THAT MONEY AND NOT SPEND SO MUCH WITH HAVING, HAVING IT MEANDER ALL OVER TOWN.
UM, SO I'M, I'M KIND OF TRYING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ROUNDABOUT WAY.
PHASE TWO IS FUZZY, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO, TO DO SOMETHING THERE.
AND THEN WE START TALKING ABOUT OAK CREEK CANYON AND THE BOC THAT, THAT'S GONNA TAKE A WHOLE OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE FUNDING LEVEL.
SO, OKAY, SO I'M JUST GONNA RESTATE MY QUESTION SLIGHTLY HERE.
WE HAVE A PLANNING RETREAT COMING UP IN A MONTH.
WHAT, NOT TO THE DETAIL NOW, BUT WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE ABOUT TRANSIT AT THAT RETREAT IN TERMS OF WHAT'S PROPOSED TO BE DONE AND WHAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT APPROPRIATING FUNDS FOR IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR? THAT, AND AGAIN, JUST IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY IN, IN THE SHORT ANSWER IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE UPTOWN CIRCULAR.
SO TO EXPAND ON THAT, WE HAVE MONEY ALLOCATED FOR A MAINTENANCE FACILITY, WHICH DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE NEED OR DO WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, BOUGHT LAND AND STARTED LOOKING AT AND EX RIDE EXCHANGE, WHICH WE PUT ON HOLD.
SO ARE ANY OF THOSE THINGS IN THE SHORT TERM, SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING, SPENDING MONEY ON, DOING STUDIES ON? BECAUSE IT, IF, IF WE HAVE THE, THE ARIZONA STATE LEGISLATURE IS NOT TRANSIT FRIENDLY.
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THAT MARICOPA GOT ITS TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX EXTENDED WAS BECAUSE THEY REMOVED TRANSIT FROM IT.SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS WE'RE GONNA SEE ANYTHING TURN AROUND THERE.
NOT THAT WE SHOULDN'T TRY, BUT THERE'S UPHILL BATTLES, SO, RIGHT.
WHY WOULD WE WANT TO SPEND MONEY LOOKING AT FACILITIES AT THIS POINT IN TIME? YEAH, SO RIGHT NOW THE, THE SYSTEM IS YOUR TRA THE SEDONA TRANSIT FLEET IS 10 VEHICLES, UH, SOON TO BE 11.
UM, I HAVE THE NUMBER SOMEWHERE.
THIS, THIS FACILITY IS ALSO INTENDED TO SERVE THE COTTONWOOD FLEET AS A REGIONAL TRANSIT FACILITY, YOU KNOW, UNDER AN IGA WHERE WE GET REIMBURSED FOR COSTS, THE PARTS AND ALL THAT.
AND ALSO THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS.
SO, SO BETWEEN THOSE THREE ENTITIES, EVEN WITHOUT FUTURE EXPANSION, WHICH I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE FUTURE EXPANSION WITH SEDONAS FLEET, YOU'VE GOT UPWARDS OF, LET'S JUST SAY 30, 35 VEHICLES THAT ARE BEING SENT ALL OVER THE STATE FOR MAINTENANCE.
UM, HEAVY MAINTENANCE, LIGHT MAINTENANCE, ALL OF THAT.
AND SOMETIMES THOSE VEHICLES, THEY'LL SIT ON THE DEADLINE AND IN A PRIVATE COMMERCIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE YARD FOR WEEKS UNTIL THEY CAN GET TO THEM.
SO WHAT THE, THAT TRANSLATES INTO US SHUTTING DOWN SERVICES HERE LOCALLY.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ROLLING STOCK IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
SO THERE'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING TO CONSIDER.
THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER TOO IS IN LONG TERM TRANSIT PLANNING, IF WE WAIT NOW TO START BUILDING A FACILITY THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED IN 15 OR 20 YEARS, WELL WE'RE GONNA BUILD IT.
WE'RE GONNA BUILD IT IN TOMORROW'S MONEY, NUMBER ONE.
AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THAT AT LEAST THE, UH, DESIGN AND ENGINEERING FEDERALIZED AND PARTIALLY FUNDED WITH FDA DOLLARS.
UM, I WOULD SURE HATE TO CALL THE F FDA A AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE GONNA TURN THAT BUDDY BACK IN AFTER EVERYTHING EVERYBODY'S GONE THROUGH TO GET IT BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE CHANGED OUR MIND ON OUR LONG-TERM VISION.
UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULDN'T MOVE AHEAD AND START TO BUILD THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, EVEN IF IT'S DONE IN PHASES WITH A SMALLER FACILITY FIRST, WHERE WE CAN AT LEAST GET CONTROL OF OUR MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS.
THERE'S A LIABILITY COMPONENT THERE TOO.
WHEN YOU'RE TRANSPORTING 350,000 PEOPLE A YEAR, UH, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT AT SAFE VEHICLES THAT ARE PROPERLY MAINTAINED.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD SOME ISSUES, AND I'M NOT GONNA POINT FINGERS OR, OR CALL ANYBODY OUT ON THIS, BUT WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH QUALITY CONTROL WITH SOME OF OUR LOCAL VENDORS.
NOT SHAKE NOT CHECKING THE BRAKE PAD, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT? WE HAD A, WE HAD A METAL ON METAL BRAKE PAD, YOU KNOW, OUT THERE WITH UH, 35 PASSENGERS ON BOARD.
WE WANT TO BRING THAT IN-HOUSE AND CONTROL THAT LIABILITY, UM, AND, AND, AND START TO MANAGE THAT RISK.
EVERYTHING WE DO IS ABOUT SAFETY.
SO YOU HAVE TO KIND OF BALANCE ALL THAT OUT.
AND THE THIRD POINT I WOULD MAKE ON, ON THIS INVESTMENT, PARTICULARLY WITH THE MAINTENANCE AND OPS FACILITY, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO POUR A WHOLE LOT OF LOCAL DOLLARS INTO THAT FACILITY.
WE'RE LOOKING TO BRING IN 80 TO 85% FEDERAL MONEY TO CONSTRUCT IT.
AND IF THAT MONEY DOESN'T COME IN, WE'RE GONNA KEEP TRYING UNTIL IT DOES.
UM, SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE KIND OF HOW I LOOK AT IT FROM A LONGER TERM THAT THAT'S HELPFUL STANDPOINT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UH, THE OTHER, THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS, ARE THEY ON BOARD? HAVE THEY BEEN SPOKEN WITH? DO WE KNOW? YES.
THE LIKELIHOOD THEY, THEY ACTUALLY WERE, UM, GAVE US LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR THIS GRANT.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS. OKAY.
THEY'RE HAVING TO SHIFT VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, AND THE COST, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SEND A VEHICLE TO JOE'S MAINTENANCE YARD, YOU CAN BET WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING, YOU KNOW, TRIPLE FOR THE PARTS AND LABOR THAT WE WOULD IF WE BROUGHT IT INHOUSE.
UM, THIS IS A LOT OF REASONS WHY I THINK WE STEER THE COURSE ON BUILDING THIS INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE FUTURE.
AND ALSO WE DO WANT TO GO TO ZERO EMISSION FLEET, AND THAT, THAT, THAT TAKES PLANNING AND THAT MEANS THAT THIS FACILITY CAN BE DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE ZERO EMISSION FLEET WHEN THE TIME COMES.
WE'RE, WE'RE READY TO, TO MAKE THAT SWITCH.
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IF, IF I COULD MAYOR ON SAME TOPIC.ON THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, ROBERT, YOU PRESENTED US WITH MODELS FOR SHARED GOVERNANCE OF A REGIONAL TRANSIT, UH, SYSTEM.
AND NOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUR MAINTENANCE FACILITY.
THAT SEEMS, ALTHOUGH YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING IN YOUR ATTEMPT SO FAR HAS BEEN TO MAKE THAT MOSTLY FEDERALLY FUNDED, BUT HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT A SHARED GOVERNANCE MODEL OF THAT FACILITY AT ALL WITH IN THE VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITIES? WOULD THAT MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR COTTONWOOD AND CAMP VERDE AND WHOEVER ELSE TO REALLY COMMIT TO IT RATHER THAN IT JUST BEING A SEDONA OWNED AND OPERATED IGA, YOU KNOW, AGREEMENTS WITH, WITH PEOPLE HAVE, HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS OF, OF THAT ALS THAT FACILITY, PARTICULARLY BEING SOME TYPE OF SHARED GOVERNANCE MODEL, NOT AS, NOT IN THE GOVERNANCE SENSE AS MUCH AS WE, WE DO KNOW IT WOULD BE A SERIES OF IGAS, RIGHT? WHERE WE WOULD, THEY WOULD BASICALLY BRING THEIR VEHICLES IN, WE WOULD SERVICE THEM FOR 'EM, UH, AND CHARGE 'EM BACK LABOR AND, AND, AND PARTS, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT COULD PLAY OUT, SAY DOWN THE ROAD WITH A REGIONAL GOVERNANCE, SHOULD THAT COME TO BE, THAT FACILITY COULD BE PART AND PARTY TO THE ASSETS THAT ARE TURNED OVER TO WHATEVER GOVERNING BODY, UH, UH, SAY Y PI AND OUR COCONINO COUNTY WIND UP WITH, UM, WE INHERITED IN CALIFORNIA ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
WHEN WE TOOK OVER THE WHOLE SOUTH COUNTY IN MONTEREY, WE INHERITED BUSES AND DISREPAIR.
WE INHERITED OLD, BROKEN DOWN FACILITIES THAT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONDEMNED.
WE INHERITED ALL THAT STUFF AND THEN OVER TIME STARTED TO TURN ALL THAT AROUND.
BUT, UM, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT REALLY ONLY TIME COULD, COULD ANSWER AS FAR AS, DO, DO WE USE THIS FACILITY AS A SPRINGBOARD TO BEGIN THE GOVERNANCE DISCUSSION? THAT MAY NOT BE A BAD IDEA, RIGHT? UM, BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU KNOW? UH, RIGHT NOW, UH, IF SEDONA HAS CONTROL OVER IT, WE'D HAVE CONTROL OVER THE IGAS THAT WE ENTER INTO AND THE TERMS OF THOSE IGAS, UM, TO, TO HELP PROVIDE S YOU KNOW, SUPPORT SERVICES TO, TO, TO OUR, OUR TRANSIT PARTNERS, OUR LOCAL TRANSIT PARTNERS.
YEAH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE SELLING.
I JUST WANT TO HAVE THAT, THAT CONCEPT OF IT BEING A REGIONAL ASSET WAS ONE OF THE SELLING POINTS THAT GOT US THE FEDERAL FUNDING TO, TO HELP, UH, WITH THIS DESIGN AND ENGINEERING EFFORT.
AND WE'RE HOPING THAT WILL CARRY THROUGH WITH, UH, OUR FUTURE GRANT APPLICATIONS FOR, UH, CONSTRUCTION.
A ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS, I THINK.
AND WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE REALLY WANTED, IF WE REALLY WANTED TO PURSUE A REGIONAL GOVERNANCE MODEL FOR TRANSIT, WHAT A, WHAT A GREAT WAY TO START THAT BY JUST PUTTING, THE FIRST THING WE'LL DO IS THAT THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY UP AS A MODEL OF HOW WE DO REGIONAL GOVERNANCE RATHER THAN STARTING OFF WITH A IGA MODEL.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT DISADVANTAGES LISTED IN YOUR CHART ABOUT WHAT IGA MODELS, UH, HAVE STRUGGLE AROUND, AND THAT, THAT JUST MIGHT BE THE BEST, STRONGEST STATEMENT TO THE REGION AS TO WHAT SEDONAS COMMITMENT IS RELATIVE TO REGIONAL TRANSIT, IS TO THINK ABOUT THE GOVERNANCE OF THAT FACILITY AS BEING REGIONAL.
SO, JUST A THOUGHT THIS A, THIS IS A STRONG BARGAINING CHIP TO BRING TO THE TABLE.
BRIAN, YOU HAVE A, A FOLLOW UP QUESTION THAT WHAT I'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD? YEAH.
IT'S REALLY A COMMENT THAT, I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING ON, ON THIS SLIDE AT 4-YEAR-OLD DOCUMENTATION.
HARDY, CONGRATULATIONS, ROBERT AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S WORKED ON IT.
I JUST FEEL LIKE WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN RIGHT NOW.
AND, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S CONCERNING.
I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE A NEW AND UPDATED VERSION OF SLIDE 30 FOR WHAT WE THINK, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT SIX TO 10 YEARS LOOKS LIKE.
'CAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALL VERY MUCH UP IN THE AIR RIGHT NOW.
UH, ROBERT, DO YOU HAVE ANY FINAL, I BELIEVE YOU'RE COMPLETED, IS THAT RIGHT? I, I DO NOT.
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ONE.I, I HOPE THAT I, UM, TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT I PROBABLY GENERATED A LOT MORE QUESTIONS.
THE VICE MAYOR HAS A FINAL QUESTION THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
THIS IS, THIS IS ABOUT THE, THE, THE SHUTTLE CONNECT.
I WAS, UM, ON THE SHUTTLE FROM THE AIRPORT UP TO SEDONA, UH, LAST WEEK.
AND THERE WAS SOMEBODY RIDING IN THE SHUTTLE WHO WANTED TO WALK FROM HERE TO UPTOWN.
AND I SAID, UH, IT'S NOT VERY SAFE TO DO THAT BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE SHE WAS GOING TO SOME, SOME, UH, ATTRACTIONS IN UPTOWN.
WHY DON'T YOU USE THE SHUTTLE CONNECT THE DOLLAR A RIDE? BECAUSE SHE WAS, SHE MET THE CRITERIA.
UH, SHE SAID, OH, I, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
AND THE SHUTTLE DRIVER FOR GROOM TRANSPORTATION DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO SHE WAS VERY EXCITED WHEN I TOLD HER, SHOWED HER THE APP AND ALL THAT.
UH, SO I'M JUST CURIOUS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, DO YOU THINK THAT ENOUGH MARKETING, WORD OF MOUTH, UH, YOU KNOW, KNOW WELL, WE'RE DOING ENOUGH TO GENERATE, UH, DEMAND? YEAH.
WELL, BASED ON THAT STORY, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO HIT GROOM AGAIN FOR THE THIRD TIME.
LET HIM KNOW ABOUT THAT, UH, LET HIM KNOW ABOUT THAT SERVICE.
SO GROVE HAS DEFINITELY BEEN OUR LIST, AS ARE THE CONCIERGE, AS ARE THE HOTELS, THE LODGING COUNCIL, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
UM, IT'S BEING PUSHED OUT TO THE DMO, AND THEN STAFF WILL BE PUSHING OUT A LETTER, WHICH WILL BE ADDRESSED TO RESIDENTS THAT RESIDE IN THE SERVICE AREA WITH SOME FREE TICKETS TO TRY IT.
SO WE'RE DOING, I THINK, BUT WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO MORE IDEAS.
WE'RE, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN COME UP WITH TO PROMOTE THAT SERVICE.
AND WE'RE SEEING AN UPTICK IN RIDERSHIP, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME.
WELL, THE, WHAT I HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT, AND THEN I'LL CLOSE ON THIS, ARE VERY POSITIVE RESPONSES FROM THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN USING IT.
WE APPRECIATE, HOPE YOU'RE FEELING BETTER.
AND, UM, WE'LL TALK TO YOU SOON.
ANDREW, WANT TO TAKE, GET EVERY BACK, EVERYBODY BACK TOGETHER? YEAH.
SO, KURT OR ANDREW, YOU'RE GOING TO BEGIN.
DO WE NEED TO DO INTRODUCTIONS? MAYOR? UH, WELL, FOR DERRICK? FOR DERRICK, PLEASE.
HE'S OUR CONSULTANT WITH KIMLEY HORN, AND HE'S BEEN VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN OUR SIM PROGRAM AND, UH, PRESENTS AT MOST OF OUR, UH, SIM UPDATES.
IT'S BEEN, WHAT, THREE WEEKS? I WAS HERE OCTOBER 22ND.
I WAS TALKING TO COUNCILLOR FOLTZ ABOUT HOW LOVELY IT IS HERE.
SO ANYTIME YOU WANT ME BACK, I'LL BE HERE.
UH, SO TODAY I'M GOING TO PRIMARILY FOCUS ON THE DASHBOARD, ACTUALLY OPEN IT UP AND SHOW KIND OF INTERACTIVE, HOW IT ACTUALLY WORKS, RATHER THAN JUST THE, THE STATIC SCREENS.
UH, GIVE A QUICK UPDATE ON JUST PROJECT PROGRESS.
I KNOW SOME OF THAT KURT'S GONNA FOLLOW.
AND THEN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE METERING AND DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS OF IT.
I KNOW LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I TALKED ABOUT THE METERING STUDY THAT WE COMPLETED OVER, UH, 4TH OF JULY WEEKEND, LABOR DAY PLAN TO DO IT AGAIN OVER THANKSGIVING.
UH, BUT THERE ARE ACTUAL MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS WE CAN USE IF WE IMPLEMENT, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL METERING AT THE ROUNDABOUTS.
SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME ABOUT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL METERING, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF, THAT'S ONE OF MY KEY INTERESTS.
AND I WILL, I'LL HAVE A SLIDE TO DISCUSS IT.
THERE'S MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS OF IT, SO NOT JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR VEHICLES, UM, WELL VEHICLES, BUT WE CAN USE IT, DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS.
I'LL TALK THROUGH ANOTHER, UM, APPLICATION.
I JUST DIDN'T WHAT YOU SAY CLEARLY.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS IT.
UH, SO THIS PRESENTATION IS A HYBRID OF, WE ACTUALLY PRESENTED AT ROADS AND STREETS IN SEPTEMBER.
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT, UH, AT THE SIM UPDATE IN APRIL.
UH, SO WE'RE STARTING TO GET STATEWIDE RECOGNITION ON THE SIM PROGRAM.
SO WE PRESENT AT ROADS AND STREETS, UH, CONFERENCE DOWN IN TUCSON, SEPTEMBER, AND THEN ACTUALLY PRESENT AT THE RURAL TRANSPORTATION SUMMIT AS WELL.
THERE WAS A VIDEO THROUGH NACOG, WHICH I'LL ACTUALLY SHOW THAT, THAT WE PRESENTED FOR SIM FIVE E.
UH, SO THIS AGENDA IS, IS SPECIFIC TO THAT.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY, JUST TO SUMMARIZE AND AGAIN, FOR, UH, A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER, WHAT WE'VE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS, ESPECIALLY
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WITH THE VISITOR STUDY, IS, UM, ANECDOTALLY THROUGH THREE TO 4 MILLION VISITORS ANNUALLY, THE VISITOR STUDY CONFIRMED THAT WE LOOKED AT KIND OF THE ANNUAL PEAK AND FALL TIMES, AND THEN THE, THE BOTTLENECK AT THE Y WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOREVER.AND I'LL, I'LL SPEAK TO THAT AGAIN.
UH, THIS IS, THIS IS OWN MOTION MILESTONES AND JUST REALLY SPECIFICALLY IN 2024, WHERE WE COMPLETED THE VISITOR STUDY, UH, ON THE HEELS OF COMPLETING THE NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AMARA RIGHT TURN LANE, WHICH WE'VE BEEN ACTIVELY, UH, MONITORING AND INCLUDING THE DASHBOARD, THE VISITOR STUDY, AND WE'VE BEEN FIELD TESTING THE METERING.
AND THEN AGAIN, CONTINUE TO EXPAND ON THE, THE DATA DASHBOARD.
UM, THIS AGAIN IS JUST SHOW WE'RE BRINGING ALL THE TOOLS, THE TOOLBOX TO MONITOR EVERYTHING OUT HERE, ALL THE WAY FROM TRAFFIC COUNTS, TRAVEL TIMES VIDEO FOOTAGE, TO NOW KIND OF BOOTS ON THE GROUND FIELD TESTING, UH, TO SUPPORT OUR ORIGIN DESTINATION FINDINGS.
EVERYONE HAS ALREADY SEEN THIS SLIDE, BUT JUST TO RECAP, UH, WE'VE USED ORIGIN DESTINATION TO LOOK AT WHERE VISITORS ARE COMING SPECIFIC TO UPTOWN, 50% FROM THE WEST, 35% FROM THE SOUTH, AND 15% FROM THE NORTH.
WE ALWAYS USE THAT AS WE START TO KIND OF FRAME AND PRIORITIZING MOVEMENTS, UH, SPECIFICALLY THROUGH THE Y EVERYONE'S ALREADY SEEING THIS SLIDE, SO I'M GOING TO SKIP IT.
AS WE KNOW, THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION FOUR IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, ANTICIPATING COMPLETION HERE EARLY PART OF NEXT YEAR.
THE GARAGE HAS STARTED CONSTRUCTION.
THOSE TWO PROJECTS ONCE COMPLETED, ARE GONNA BE INTEGRAL IN GOING OUT AND THEN MONITORING TRAFFIC AND SEEING IF WHAT WE HAVE MODELED, UH, COMES CLOSE TO FRUITION.
AS, AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE'VE LOOKED AT SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT REROUTING THROUGH THIS ALTERNATIVE ROUTE TO GET INTO UPTOWN AND UTILIZE THE GARAGE, UM, UH, 270 SPACE GARAGE FOR PARKING.
AND ACTUALLY, AS ROBERT TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, IF YOU EXPLORE A CIRCULATOR ROUTE THROUGH THERE WITH CONSOLIDATED PARKING, WE WOULD REALLY BE LOOKING AT A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO MULTIMODAL SOLUTIONS FOR SPECIFICALLY UPTOWN.
UM, WE ARE AT, FOR THE SIM FIVE E, WE JUST SUBMITTED OUR 90% PLANS TO THE CITY FOR REVIEW.
WE'VE SUBMITTED THEM TO ADOT, TALKED TO ADOT ABOUT AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT AND DISCUSSING ADMINISTRATION OF THE PROJECT.
UH, WE'VE COMPLETED OUR, OUR, UH, FLOOD ANALYSIS AND SUBMITTED TO COO COUNTY ARE, UM, NEAR APPROVAL THROUGH FLOOD CONTROL.
AND THAT ULTIMATELY GETS ROUTED TO FEMA BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO A LETTER OF MAP PROVISION BECAUSE OF THE WORK WITHIN SOLDIER WASH.
SO SIGNIFICANT PRO, PRO PROGRESS ON, ON THIS PROJECT, RANGER BREWER NUMBER SEVEN IS AT A HUNDRED PERCENT PRE-FINAL PLANS.
UM, IT'S BEEN ON PAUSE A LITTLE BIT AS WE START TO COORDINATE THE RANGER EXTENSION IN BETWEEN THE TWO.
UM, AGAIN, AS WE'VE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT MODELING FROM HERE, UH, WE'VE TALKED KINDA THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, WHICH PROJECT NEEDS TO COME IN FIRST.
SO IN OUR, IN OUR OFFICE, WE'VE TAKEN EVERYTHING TO NEAR COMPLETION.
AND THEN AS WE LOOK AT GRANT OPPORTUNITIES FOR SIM FIVE E FUNDING FOR RANGER BREWER AND THE DESIGN OF TEMP RANGER, WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF WHICH PROJECT GETS FUNDED AND THEN ULTIMATELY HOW WE TIE, UH, THE OTHER LEGS TO SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN THIS SLIDE ACTUALLY SHOWS JUST THE SEQUENCING THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING.
IF I PAUSE HERE, THIS IS WHERE WE'VE ACTUALLY DESIGNED TEMP RANGER EXTENSION, WHICH WE'VE DESIGNED IT IN THE ULTIMATE CONFIGURATION, BUT DESIGNED IT AND DIS DISCUSSED THIS WITH ADOT IN TERMS OF, HOLD ON.
THE SLIDES IN THAT WE HAVE ARE NOT GELLING WITH YOUR SLIDES.
IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SEE IT SCREEN.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE DISCONNECT IS ON THERE.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW? IS IT BECAUSE YOU'RE PLAYING A VIDEO? I SAW THAT.
OR IS THAT A SEPARATE SLIDE? YEAH, YEAH, IT'S A VIDEO.
WHAT SLIDE? DO, DO YOU HAVE A SLIDE THAT'S JUST A STATIC PDF THIS? WELL, IT WAS THE ONE BEFORE AS WELL.
DID NOT, IT JUST SHOWS THE, UH, MATCH EXTENSION ONLY.
YEAH, IT'S A STATIC SHOT, I THINK.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
WELL, BECAUSE WE, YOU HAVE THE PDF WE, IT IS SUCH A BIG FILE.
WHEN WE SENT THAT TO YOU LAST WEEK.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE FINAL REVISIONS WITH THE VIDEOS AND ALL THAT.
YOU PROBABLY HAVE THIS SLIDE HERE.
BASICALLY JUST A QUICK WARNING.
WE HAVE THAT SLIDE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE VIDEO TO GO ALONG WITH IT.
YEAH, IF, IF YOU DO GET A HOLD OF THAT POWERPOINT, BE CAREFUL.
IT'S WHEN HE SAYS IT'S A BIG FILE, IT'S ACTUALLY KILLED ONE OF MY COMPUTERS.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A VERY BIG FILE.
ANDY WANTED A NEW COMPUTER, SO I TOOK CARE OF IT BY SENDING A BIG FILE.
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SORRY FOR THE NO, IT'S OKAY.UM, SO WE ACTUALLY PRESENTED THIS, UH, AGAIN AT ROADS AND STREETS, AND THEN I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH, WITH KURT AND ANDY, UH, ABOUT AS AGAIN, AS WE START TO, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE END HERE.
UH, SO THE TEMP RANGER CONNECTION, UNDERSTANDING THAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FOREST TYING IN AS AN IN INTERIM CONNECTION TO 89 A.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY THIS WILL BE A ROUNDABOUT.
WE HAVE EXPLORED A TEMPORARY RIGHT TURN LANE TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC FLOW THAT ULTIMATELY COULD PEEL OFF AND USE THAT TO DRIVE DOWN A RANGER EXTENSION AND TIE INTO A RANGER BREWER ROUNDABOUT.
SO AGAIN, IF WE BUILD THE ROUNDABOUT AT RANGER BREWER FIRST, WE WANT TO HAVE A MEANS TO CONNECT RANGER EXTENSION TO THE HIGHWAY TO PROVIDE SOME OF THAT RELIEF, ESPECIALLY DURING PEAK CONGESTION.
SO WE'VE TAKEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DESIGN THAT, THAT INTERIM IMPROVEMENT, DISCUSS THAT WITH ADOT SO THEY HAVE BOTH DESIGNS IN FRONT OF 'EM AS WELL.
'CAUSE ADOT IS OBVIOUSLY A KEY COMPONENT IN, UH, APPROVING THESE PROJECTS.
SO THIS IS AT A 90% DESIGN LEVEL.
FOREST IS OBVIOUSLY NEARING CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE TWO ROUNDABOUTS AND THE, AND THE PERMANENT RANGER ALL DESIGNED.
SO GOING INTO EARLY PART OF NEXT YEAR, THERE'LL BE SOME DECISIONS IN TERMS OF WHICH PROJECTS GET CONSTRUCTED.
WHEN WAS ADOT APPROVED? THE ROUNDABOUT ON 89 A, THEY HAVE NOT, THEY HAVE NOT APPROVED IT.
YES, THEY'VE REVIEWED IT AND WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE DISTRICT AND UM, REALLY WHAT CAME OUT OF IT WAS, AGAIN, WHO ULTIMATELY WAS GOING TO ADMINISTER THE PROJECT.
BEING THAT IT'S AN ADOT RIGHT OF WAY, OUR GOAL WAS THAT SEDONA ADMINISTERS IT WITH ADOT SUPPORT, UM, AND NOT VICE VERSA.
SORRY, ANDY, YOU DON KNOW WHAT YOU WANT ME TO SAY? NO, I, I'M LOOKING TO YOU FOR, WELL, THE IMPLICATIONS THERE ARE THE, THE INSPECTION EFFORT LOOKS QUITE DIFFERENT.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR INSPECTION STAFF AND ADOT HAS THEIRS.
UM, ULTIMATELY WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS THAT THE PROJECT WOULD, THE, THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD MOVE A LOT SLOWER THAN IF WE ADMINISTER IT.
WHAT, WHAT DRIVES IT IS IF WE HAVE FEDERAL DOLLARS, WHAT ROBERT WAS REFERRING TO, UM, SINCE ADOT WOULD BE THE ADMINISTERING THE GRANT, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THEIR INSPECTORS OR, UH, APPROVED, CERTIFIED INSPECTORS AND SO ON TO DRIVE THEM.
I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHO, WHERE WOULD IT BOG DOWN WITH US DOING IT OR WERE THEY NOT DOING IT? NO, WITH ADOT DOING IT, I ADOT DO IT.
AND SOME OF THE BIGGER CITIES, LIKE THE CITY OF PHOENIX AND CITY OF MARICOPA COUNTY, YEAH.
PIMA COUNTY, SEVERAL OTHERS HAVE BECOME CERTIFIED AND ABLE TO ACTUALLY ADMINISTER THESE FEDERAL PROJECTS.
BUT, UM, WE HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED INTO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT FEASIBLE, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT.
YOU CAN THIRD PARTY THAT AND HAVE A CONSULTANT WITH THE CERTIFIED, UH, AND WHO COULD STILL ADMINISTER IT.
BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT SEEMS LIKE ADOT IS WILLING TO DO THAT WITHIN THEIR RIGHT OF WAY.
IT WOULD PROBABLY STREAMLINE THE PROCESS BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THEIR INSPECTORS ON SITE EVERY DAY BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT OF THE PROJECT.
THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK CREEK WAS REALLY A MINOR PROJECT.
IT WASN'T REALLY A DAY TO DAY.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU CALLING AT THAT AS OPPOSED TO THE UNDERPASS.
WHAT, AND I THINK WHAT KURT WAS POINTING OUT, JUST TO BE MORE DIRECT ABOUT IT, IS THAT WE DID ADMIN ADMINISTER THAT PROJECT AND BUILD IT AND, AND INSPECT IT AND OVERSEE IT.
FULLY AND PART OF OUR ENCROACHMENT PERMIT IS WE HAD TO SHARE ALL THOSE INSPECTION REPORTS WITH ADOT ENCROACHMENT PERMIT, NOT THEIR CONSTRUCTION DIVISION, WHICH IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
WE'RE DOING IT ON SEVERAL OTHER PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE AS WELL, WHERE IT'S AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT AND IT AS PART OF THE APPLICATION AND THE APPROVAL AND THE PERMIT UNIT, A THIRD PARTY THAT'S CERTIFIED TO CER TO INSPECT AN AADA RIGHT AWAY, YOU ADD THAT TO YOUR CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION TEAM.
AND THAT'S THE SIMPLEST WAY TO DO IT.
THIS PROJECT TAKES ANOTHER FOUR YEARS.
THE, THE, THE OTHER EFFECT THERE IS THAT THE PROJECT WOULD COST MORE.
UM, NOT ONLY WOULD IT TAKE LONGER, IT COST MORE.
AND YEAH, THEY HAVE A, I THINK IT'S 20% JUST OFF THE TOP ADMINISTRATIVE FEE ASSOCIATED WITH MANAGING IT.
THIS SHOWS THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT AND THEN, UM, EVERYONE'S SEEING THIS RENDERING THAT WE PUT TOGETHER SEVERAL YEARS AGO SHOWS THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR.
SORRY IF I'M NOT SPEAKING CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE MIC.
I'M NOT USED TO SITTING IN THIS FRONT SPOT HERE, KURT.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I KNOW I LIKE THIS SPOT.
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I GOTTA DRAG EVERYTHING OVER.UH, SO THIS SLIDE IS JUST WANTED TO SHOW WE HAD A PREDICTED MODEL, PR VOLUMES BASED ON 2021 COUNTS.
THAT'S WHAT OUR ENTIRE VISTA MODEL IS BASED ON.
WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO SPECIFICALLY AT THE Y IS START TO CROSSCHECK SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS WITH THOSE TURNING MOVEMENTS.
AND SO THIS IS JUST, AGAIN, ONE PEAK HOUR, UH, SHOT JULY 5TH ON A FRIDAY.
UH, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE SOME VARIATIONS IN TERMS OF THROUGH MOVEMENTS.
THIS IS THE APPROACH, WE'LL CALL IT NORTHBOUND, BUT IT'S THE APPROACH FROM THE WEST WHERE WE HAD 546 MODELED IS THROUGH MOVEMENT THAT WOULD HEAD INTO UPTOWN AND COUNTS.
UH, JULY 5TH HAD 4 65, UH, 3 79.
THAT WOULD BE RIGHT TURNS, THAT WOULD BE APPROACHING THE Y AND HEADING SOUTH ON 1 79 COMPARED TO 409.
SO AS YOU KIND OF LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THESE LEGS, OUR MODEL WAS, I'LL SAY CLOSE.
AND WE'VE GONE BACK AND LOOKED AND KIND OF RUN DIFFERENT NUMBERS IN PEAK HOUR JUST TO AGAIN, CHECK AND SEE WHAT WE'RE PREDICTING.
AND WE'RE WITHIN 10% TOLERANCE ON EVERYTHING.
AND SO AGAIN, AS WE START TO GATHER MORE DATA, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING TO RECALIBRATE THE MODEL.
UM, AND WE'RE USING EVERY OPPORTUNITY WITH SOME OF THESE METERING, UH, SOLUTIONS TO GET THE CAMERAS OUT THERE, CAPTURE THE DATA, BUILD IT INTO OUR DATABASE AND, AND GO BACK AND, AND CROSSCHECK AGAINST THE MODEL WE'RE BUILDING.
ANDREW, CAN I ASK, JUST LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS, THE ONLY ONE THAT JUMPED OUT IN MY MIND WAS, OH, THAT ONE.
THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, UH, IF ANY BIG DIFFERENCES FROM YOUR MODEL, THAT WAS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IN MY MIND.
WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? UH, YEAH, SAME.
WE WERE SURPRISED TO SEE THAT MINIMAL, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND COMB THE, THE SATURDAY AND SEE IF THERE'S DIFFERENT, I THINK WHAT WAS HAPPENING HERE ACTUALLY ON THAT JULY 5TH WAS WE WERE HAVING A LOT MORE TRAFFIC FROM THE SOUTH IN THE MORNING.
AND SO THIS PEAK TIME IS SYSTEM WIDE, EVERYTHING COMING INTO THE ROUNDABOUT.
IF WE PULLED AT 10:00 AM TO 11:00 AM I THINK WE WOULD SEE MORE IN THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION AND LESS, UM, COMING FROM THE WEST.
SO OUR MODEL IS KIND OF A WORST CASE IF YOU SAY 10:00 AM IS HITTING AND 12, WE'VE COMBINED BOTH TO LOOK AT OVERALL CONGESTION.
BUT YEAH, WE SAW THE SAME THING, HALF THE TRAFFIC MAKING THAT NORTHBOUND LEFT THAN WE HAD IN THE MODEL.
ANDREW, DO YOU ANTICIPATE A CHANGE IN THAT ONCE THE, UH, DIRECTIONAL SIGN GOES UP ON 17, IF IT EVER GOES UP ON SEVEN? I KNOW IT'S GOING UP, BUT IT FEELS LIKE FOREVER.
BUT DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT WILL ACCOMPLISH REDUCING SOME OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC NORTHBOUND ON 1 79? I THINK SO, YEAH.
ESPECIALLY RECOGNIZING THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WITH ADVANCED SIGNAGE WAS YOU'VE GOT PEAK DELAYS ON NORTHBOUND, YOU CAN REROUTE AND COMING FROM THE EAST AND, AND GET THERE SIGNIFICANTLY QUICKER.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF NOTIFICATION.
SO IF PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF IT, THEY'LL USE IT.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT FAR OUTTA YOUR WAY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA BE SITTING IN TRAFFIC.
FROM THE THE MASTER PLAN, OUR PROJECTION WAS THAT IT WOULD HAVE A, A MEANINGFUL EFFECT.
AND KURT, I THINK YOU'RE AWARE MORE THAN THE REST OF US ABOUT THE STATUS.
I THINK THERE'S SUPPOSED TO START THAT CONSTRUCTION EARLY 2025.
THEY'RE RIGHT NOW IN BIDDING PROCESS IN NOVEMBER.
THEY HOPE TO HAVE THE BIDS OPEN AND, AND UH, AND ACTUALLY CONTRACT IN CHRISTMAS AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND START WORK.
UM, THERE WAS A LONG LEAD TIME ON THE EQUIPMENT, SO DEPENDING UPON WHERE THEY'RE ON THE PROJECT, REMEMBER IT'S A PROJECT THAT GOES FROM PAGE TO BLACK CANYON CITY.
SO THE, THAT TRAVEL SIGN IS JUST ONE OF 13, UH, DYNAMIC MESSAGE BOARDS ARE PUTTING ALONG THE ICE.
WE WERE FIRST
WE'RE FINALLY GETTING CLOSE THOUGH.
UH, THIS IS THE VIDEO THAT WE SENT TO NACOG TO USE AT THE ROYAL TRANSPORTATION SUMMIT.
AGAIN, I THINK KURT'S SPOKEN TO IT BEING, IS IT STILL NUMBER ONE ON THE PRIORITY PROJECTS? THIS IS SIM FIVE E.
SO THEY HAD ASKED FOR, UH, US TO PUT A VIDEO TOGETHER TO PRESENT AT THE SUMMIT, BUT THAT'S THE, THE NACOG, UH, REGIONAL PRIORITY PROJECT LIST.
WE, UM, APPLIED, UH, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
WE WERE LIKE SIX IN THE NORTHERN ARIZONA.
UM, WE'RE NUMBER ONE, BUT WE STILL NEED TO GO TO LEGISLATURE AND GET THAT APPROVED.
WE'RE HOPING IN FEBRUARY TO HEAR IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL OR NOT.
AND THAT'S $8.3 MILLION, $8.2 MILLION IN CONSTRUCTION FOR SIM FIVE E.
AND WHAT WAS THE LOCAL MATCH ON THAT? UH, LOCAL MATCH WAS FIVE.
AND THAT WAS TO TRY TO RAISE OUR, UH, LIKELIHOOD OF GETTING SELECTED.
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INSTEAD OF SAYING SIM FIVE E OR SIM, I, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE SIM NUMBERS, SO JUST CAN YOU THAT'S THE ROUNDABOUT IT, YES, THE ROUNDABOUT AT FOREST IN 89 A NINE A.SO WHEN YOU GET TO THE NEXT NUMBER, CAN YOU JUST GIVE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION? YEAH, HE WILL.
IT'S FUNNY 'CAUSE I WOULD ALWAYS CALL IT THAT.
AND THEN I STARTED CALLING IT SIM FIVE E WITH KURT.
'CAUSE I WAS LIKE, THIS IS WAY EASIER.
IT'S SUCH A MOUTHFUL NOW AS I SAY IT, I'M LIKE, WELL NOW I DON'T KNOW IF HALF PEOPLE KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
SO WE, IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD, WE HAD FLOWN THE PROJECTS, LOOKED INTO THE STATUS OF CONSTRUCTION ON FOREST AND WE USED THIS FOR THE VIDEO AND THEN WE OVERLAYED IT AGAINST A RENDERING THAT WE'D PUT TOGETHER TWO YEARS AGO.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, AS YOU APPROACH ULTIMATELY THE ROUNDABOUT, WE'LL BE AT THIS LOCATION HERE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE SIGNIFICANT CUTS FOR THE FOREST TIE IN.
AND THEN WE ACTUALLY OVERLAYED IT WITH THE RENDERING THAT WE PUT TOGETHER AGAIN A COUPLE YEARS AGO AS PART OF, A LOT OF IT WAS THE PRESENTATION FOR RIDE EXCHANGE, BUT LOOKING AT ULTIMATELY THE RANGER CORRIDOR.
THIS IS THE RANGER BREWER, UM, INTERSECTION OF THE ROUNDABOUT IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, AND THEN AGAIN TRAVELING ALONG TO THE NORTHWEST AS WE APPROACH POTENTIALLY LOCATION OF, OF RIGHT EXCHANGE.
AND THEN THIS HELPED JUST AT LEAST TO SET KIND OF CONTEXT FOR PEOPLE AT THE SUMMIT TO SHOW WE'VE GOT PROGRESS IN TERMS OF FOREST COMING IN.
WE'VE RENDERED IT, THIS IS ULTIMATELY WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN FIVE YEARS IS HOW EVERYTHING'S GOING TO INTERCONNECT.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE PROGRESS VERSUS DRONE FOOTAGE VERSUS A VISUALIZATION, WHICH I THINK IS A REALLY POWERFUL TOOL TO AT LEAST KIND OF SHOW.
AGAIN, WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS, I THINK TWO YEARS AGO, UM, AT COUNCIL, THERE WAS NO CONSTRUCTION GOING ON FOR US, SO YOU COULDN'T REALLY NECESSARILY VISUALIZE WHERE EVERYTHING WAS.
BUT NOW THAT WE'VE GOT, UH, CONSTRUCTION ONGOING, YOU CAN, YOU CAN KIND OF TIE THE TWO TOGETHER, WHICH I, I THOUGHT WAS HELPFUL.
ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS I'D POINT OUT FROM THIS RENDERING, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SIZE OF THAT ROUNDABOUT IS QUITE A BIT BIGGER THAN WHAT YEAH.
YOU'RE USED TO WITH THE BREWER AND THE Y ROUNDABOUT.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THINGS FLOWING MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.
AND THEN WE HAD TO ADD SOME OTHER PROJECTS IN, I DON'T NEED TO PLAY THIS AGAIN, BUT THIS WAS FROM THE, THE LAST MEETING WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO FULL PULL, UH, FOUR CAMERA SHOTS TOGETHER AND SHOW JUST HOW THE METERING WAS WORKING IN SEQUENCE WITH THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT FOREST AND, UH, AND THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT 1 79.
AND SO KIND OF LOOKING AT METERING VERSUS NOT METERING AND HOW WHEN DONE, UM, AS WE'VE KIND OF PROGRESSED IN THE DIFFERENT PHASING, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT TRAFFIC FLOW IS MAKING ITS WAY THROUGH THERE WITH, AGAIN, WE'RE LIMITED IN TERMS OF AT SOME POINT WE BOTTLENECK AT JORDAN AND WE'RE ONE LANE NORTHBOUND, BUT IF WE'RE ABLE TO SEQUENCE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, GREEN TIME QUEUING DOWNSTREAM, THAT WORKS ITS WAY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 1 79.
AND WE, WHEN WE SAW THAT WHEN IN THE TRAVEL TIMES AND AS EVIDENCE, SOME OF THE VIDEOS THAT I SHOWED LAST TIME, I'M NOT GONNA SHOW THIS AGAIN.
I JUST, I JUST HAVE THIS UP HERE.
SO THIS IS THE ONE I WANNA TALK ABOUT.
UM, SPECIFICALLY I SAID EARLIER WHERE WE HAVE OPPORTUNITY AS WE'RE EXPLORING METERING AT THE ROUNDABOUTS TO HANDLE THOSE HUGE SURGES IN TRAFFIC THAT A ROUNDABOUT REALLY WE START TO OVERLOAD AND IT, IT CAN'T NECESSARILY HANDLE THE, THE METERING OF IT WILL PRIORITIZE SOME OF THOSE MOVEMENTS TO BETTER GET TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THERE.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TRANSIT PRIORITY AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
YOU CAN USE THE METERS TO ULTIMATELY GIVE GREEN TIME TO TRANSIT PREEMPTION FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
AND SO IT'S KIND OF A THREE-PRONGED APPROACH.
IF YOU'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT METERING AN INTERSECTION OR A ROUNDABOUT YOU CAN USE IT FOR, FOR TRANSIT.
AND OUR, OUR ROUNDABOUT GROUP HAS PUT TOGETHER THIS, THIS MODEL, THIS IS NOT HERE IN SEDONA, THIS IS SOMEWHERE ELSE AROUND, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT STATE THIS WAS DONE, BUT THEY'VE PRESENTED THIS AT SEVERAL CONFERENCES.
I IT HAS NOT BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN THE STATE.
I DO NOT BELIEVE IT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN MANY PLACES AROUND THE COUNTRY.
BUT AS I PLAY THIS VIDEO, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT WORKS IN TERMS OF THE SAME PRECEDENCE YOU CAN SEE IN BLUE AS THE BUS COMING THROUGH AND AS IT IS APPROACHING A LEG THAT'S GONNA HAVE A CONFLICTING MOVEMENT AT A ROUNDABOUT, THE METER GOES RED OR THE SIGNAL GOES RED AND IT PRIORITIZES TRANSIT.
THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS THIS WAS DISCUSSED PROBABLY DURING THE DESIGN OF, UM, RANGER FOREST 89 A ROUNDABOUT, AKA
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SIM FIVE E VICE MAYORUM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH, AT SOME POINT IT WAS CONTEMPLATED A THIRD TRANSIT LANE ALL THE WAY FROM AIRPORT ROAD DOWN TO THE ROUNDABOUT TO PRIORITIZE THAT MOVEMENT TO GET DOWN TO THE MOBILITY HUB AT THAT TIME.
AND NOW RIDE EXCHANGE, WHEN WE STARTED TALKING TO OUR ROUNDABOUT GROUP ABOUT THIS AND LOOKING AT THE COST OF BUILDING A THIRD LEG ALL THE WAY FOR A ULTIMATELY A FLEET OF MAYBE 40 BUSES AT ANY GIVEN POINT, THAT IS A LOT OF COST FOR, I WOULDN'T SAY A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT, UM, RUNNING THAT FAR.
AND SO AS WE LOOKED AT IT, IT WAS, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO MITIGATE TRAFFIC FLOW AND PRIORITIZE MOVEMENT FOR TRANSIT IN THE SAME YOU WOULD WITH PRIORITIZING EASTBOUND TRAFFIC ON A LABOR DAY WEEKEND, YOU CAN KEEP TRANSIT RUNNING ON TIME AND UTILIZE THOSE METERS AND THOSE SIGNALS IN THE SAME FASHION YOU WOULD DURING, DURING PEAK CONGESTION.
CAN YOU, ANDREW KIND OF MENTIONED AS WELL EMERGENCY PREEMPTION AS WELL.
BUT ALONG WITH THAT, IT, EMERGENCY EVACUATION COULD BE PRIORITIZED IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MOVE ONE SIDE OF THE CITY TO THE OTHER, IT COULD BE USED FOR THAT AS WELL.
SO ANDREW, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, SAID THAT THIS HAS NOT BEEN DONE ANYWHERE ELSE, WHICH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD TOO, BUT LISTENING TO YOU ABOUT EMERGENCY RESPONSE, I KNOW THAT THERE'S CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND POLICE HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE LIGHTS, WHETHER THERE'S A TRANSPONDER IN THE CAR OR THE FIRE TRUCK.
THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE TECHNOLOGY'S USED AS SIGNALS ALL THE TIME.
IT'S, IT'S APPLYING AT ROUNDABOUTS IS IS THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO YEAH, YOU HAVE ADVANCED PREEMPTION AT THE MAJORITY OF SIGNALS.
SO THEY'LL GO EITHER ALL RED TO ALLOW FIRE.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT AT THE Y WAS ADAPTIVE SIGNAL METERING.
SO THAT WOULD BE HAVING SIGNALS AT, AT THE ROUNDABOUT.
THIS IS TAKING THAT A STEP FURTHER TO INTRODUCE ALSO A, UM, PREEMPTION TO THOSE SIGNALS.
MAKES SENSE WHY YOU DO, WHICH IS COMMON AT, AT A LOT OF TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
SO AS TRAFFIC COMES WITH THESE SURGES, IT, ALL OF THE SIGNALS WOULD BE TALKING TO EACH OTHER.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS GETTING THE GAP WITHIN THE ROUNDABOUTS, WHICH IS SEEMS TO BE THE PROBLEM THAT PEOPLE ARE ENCROACHING INTO THE ROUNDABOUT AND THEN CREATING THE OBSTRUCTION.
UH, THE OTHER UH, UH, POINT IS, UM, THIS, WE ALREADY HAVE PREEMPTION ON 89 A WITH THE LIGHTS, WITH THE EMERGENCY AND SO ON.
SO WE'RE, LOOK, LEMME KNOW WHEN THAT WORKS BECAUSE I, WE DON'T SEE IT WORKING WITH, IT'S WITH FIRE NOW, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO WORK WITH POLICE GETTING 89 A AND THAT'S THE LIGHT SIGNALING SYSTEM WITH, SO THE MAYOR IS TALKING ABOUT ALSO THE, UM, THE CONNECTION OF THE SIGNALS TO EACH OTHER, UM, THAT SHOULD BE WORKING.
BUT, UH, WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES.
WE'VE HAD A A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH ADOT ABOUT THAT RECENTLY.
'CAUSE THEY'VE, WELL, THEY'VE HAD PROBLEMS. YEAH.
UM, SO IT GOES BACK TO TIMING AND THAT'S FOR THE WHOLE COUNCIL AND EVERYBODY TO KNOW.
IF ONE LIGHT IN THE WHOLE SERIES HAS A SHORT, HAS AN ISSUE, THEY DEFAULT BACK TO THE OLD TIMING SYSTEM.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE, WE GET THE, THE ISSUES.
AND I BELIEVE ONE OF THE PROBLEMS HAD TO DO WITH CIRCUIT BOARDS GETTING FRIED FROM YEAH.
IN AUGUST, DRY CREEK GOT HIT BY LIGHTNING AND THAT THEN THAT TOOK A LONG TIME FOR THEM TO GET IT AND DIAGNOSE.
THEY END UP HAVING TO REPLACE ALL OF THE MOTHER BOARDS.
TOOK A WHILE, THEY HAD TO ORDER PARTS AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD TROUBLES AUGUST, SEPTEMBER.
WELL WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT COFFEE POT, UH, AND THE OTHER LIGHTS IN SEQUENCE NOT WORKING RIGHT.
AND WE HAD A LOT OF TRAFFIC BACK UP, SO YEAH.
AND I KNOW KURT'S BEEN ON THE PHONE QUITE A BIT WITH THEM TRYING TO KEEP THEM GOING ON THAT.
AND THEY'VE BEEN FORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR ADVANTAGE, I MADE CALLS AND THEY WERE OUT THAT DAY AND THE NEXT MORNING I APPRECIATE.
SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A STRUGGLE, BUT IT SHOULD BE, ONCE IT'S WORKING WELL, IT SHOULD BE IMPROVEMENT OF YEARS PAST.
SO CONTINUE ON WITH THE, THE ADAPTIVE LIGHTING.
YEAH, SO THE, I WOULD SAY AS WE RUN ANOTHER TEST OVER THANKSGIVING, WE'LL HAVE THREE, THREE PEAK WEEKENDS TO EVALUATE WHAT ULTIMATELY THAT, THAT TIMING WOULD BE.
AND FOR THIS NEXT TEST, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE, UH, SIGNALS AT EACH LEG.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, SIGNALS AT THE SOUTHBOUND APPROACH AS WELL AS AT THE WESTBOUND OR THE EASTBOUND
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APPROACH.SO WE'VE EXPANDED ON THE WAY WE WERE TESTING THE METER.
IF YOU CALL IN 4TH OF JULY, IT WAS ALL DONE WITH, UH, PD.
THE SECOND TIME IT WAS A HYBRID SIGNAL SLASH PD.
THIS TIME IT'S GONNA BE SIGNAL.
SO WE WILL HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AT THAT POINT TO SAY THIS WORKS AND NOW WE CAN EXPAND IT TO TRANSIT EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
AND AGAIN, YOU'LL, YOU'LL GET A LOT MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK IN TERMS OF INSTALLING THOSE, THOSE SIGNALS, UH, THOSE ADAPTIVE SIGNALS.
AND THEN LOOKING AT APPLYING THEM AT, AT EACH OF THE ROUNDABOUTS BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY AS GOOD AS YOU CAN GET 'EM THROUGH THE Y BUT YOU HAVE A BOTTLENECK AT AT FUTURE FOREST RANGER SR 89.
UM, YOU NEED THOSE TO BE IN CONCERT WITH EACH OTHER AS WELL.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THIS WILL HELP WITH THE NORTHBOUND 1 79 TO WESTBOUND 89 A WITH THE LEFT LANE.
BECAUSE THERE'LL BE CUTTING OFF, UH, TRAFFIC COMING DOWN FROM UPTOWN.
YES, THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD.
AND THAT WAS THE ITERATIONS OF IN OVER 4TH OF JULY, WE PRIORITIZE, IF YOU RECALL, JUST THE EASTBOUND MOVEMENT OR NORTHBOUND 89 A AND THAT LED TO CONGESTION AGAIN.
AND THEN ALSO TO PETE'S QUESTION EARLIER, SORRY COUNCILOR FURMAN'S QUESTION EARLIER,
AND THEN THE NEXT TIME THROUGH, UH, OVER LABOR DAY SATURDAY, THE PEAKS HIT LATER IN THE MORNING RIGHT WHEN WE HAD THE METERING IN, BUT SUNDAY IT PEAKED, IT STARTED TO PEAK AT NINE 30 AND WE COULDN'T KEEP UP WITH IT.
SO AGAIN, THAT GOES WITH THE ADAPTIVE SIGNALS.
WE CAN KEEP UP WITH ALL OF THAT IF THEY'RE INSTALLED IN A PERMANENT CONDITION.
AND WE'RE LEARNING THAT WITH THIS NEXT TEST WHERE WE'LL START IT EARLIER TO MAKE SURE WE CATCH IT.
IF IT DOES OCCUR, UH, RUN IT SLIGHTLY LONGER AND THEN USE THE DATA FROM THERE TO COMPARE IT TO THE OTHER TWO AND COME UP WITH A TRUE TIMING PLAN AS IT RELATES TO GETTING THROUGH UPTOWN AND THEN APPLYING IT TO, TO OTHER APPLICATIONS SUCH AS TRANSIT AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, UH, THE CROSSWALK WILL BE CLOSED FOR THAT PARTICULAR TIME.
VICE MAYOR, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
DO THEY GO HAND IN HAND, THE CROSSWALK NEEDS TO BE CLOSED WHEN THE METERING WE, OR DO YOU WANNA TRY THEM OUT DIFFERENTLY? WELL, THE FIRST, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.
I THINK IT WAS THE FIRST TEST WE DID A DAY YEP.
WITH IT CLOSED AND A DAY WITH IT NOT CLOSED.
UM, I THINK WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE WE DON'T REALLY NEED IT.
WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO SHOW THAT IT'S HELPFUL.
UM, MOST HAVING IT CLOSED MOST OFTEN TO HAVE IT CLOSED.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME, I WOULD JUST THROW OUT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO HAVE IT OPEN WHEN IT'S NOT CONGESTED.
UM, SO CLOSING IT WHEN IT'S NEEDED AND NOT HAVING IT CLOSED WHEN IT'S NOT NEEDED.
SO, AND, AND I MIGHT ALSO JUST THROW OUT, ULTIMATELY OUR GOAL HERE IS TO GAIN ENOUGH DATA SO THAT WE CAN RUN THIS TRAFFIC CONTROL, UH, DURING SPRING TIME.
UM, AND, AND HAVE A MEANINGFUL IMPACT ON CONGESTION.
THOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU CAN'T ALWAYS BE SURE WHEN THAT TR YOU KNOW, WHEN THE, IF IF, EXCUSE ME, WHEN THE PEAK IS GONNA HAPPEN, IT VARIES.
YOU COULDN'T KEEP UP, YOU KNOW, IT CHANGED, RIGHT? YOU WEREN'T ANTICIPATING THAT.
THE, THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENS IS YOU MAY BE GETTING A PEAK THAT'S HEADING TO, TO UPTOWN OR AT TIMES OF THE DAY, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU'RE HAVING CONGESTION, YOU KNOW, DESTIN DESTINATION IN WEST SEDONA.
SO YOU'RE GETTING THAT LEFT TURN MOVEMENT FROM NORTHBOUND 1 79.
SO THAT, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE LEARNING FROM NEEDING TO OPERATE THESE SIGNALS AT EACH LAG IS WHEN TO OPERATE THEM AND WHEN WE DON'T.
SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY ACTING LIKE A NORMAL SIGNAL.
SO ANDY, ON THE SAME THOUGHT, AND I THINK WE'RE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE'RE BOTH IN AGREEMENT THAT AT LEAST WE ARE NOT A PERMANENT CLOSURE, PERMANENT CLOSURE 24 7.
IT'S NOT NECESSARY THE MORE IT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY.
THE, THE MORE WE'RE LEARNING ABOUT THIS, UH, IT'S LOOKING LIKE EVEN DURING HIGH CONGESTION SEASON, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, LATE NIGHT, EARLY MORNING, UM, THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR FLOODING SEASON WHERE THERE ARE TIMES THAT WE LIKELY COULD NEED THIS CROSSWALK TO BE A USABLE FACILITY.
SO, SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WOULD THAT BE DURING NORMAL TRAFFIC TIMES A SET TIME FOR A
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A COUPLE OF MONTHS, IT WOULD BE CLOSE AT 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING TILL SEVEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND OPEN? OR IS IT GOING TO BE MONITORED EVERY DAY AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEONE HAVE TO DO THAT JOB AND CHECK IT? I THINK WE'RE DEFINITELY ULTIMATELY WANTING TO GET TO A POINT WHERE IT'S PREDICTABLE.SO THAT IT'S EASIER TO MANAGE.
UH, OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UH, WE DID NOTICE THAT, UM, CAUTION SIGNS FOR THE CROSSWALK ITSELF, FOR INSTANCE, WERE NOT NECESSARILY HELPFUL TO GETTING, GETTING TRAFFIC TO KEEP MOVING.
SO WE ARE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT ALONG WITH THE, THE CROSSWALK CLOSURE TO GET TRAFFIC, UH, TO BE MORE EFFICIENT.
NOW TO ADD TO THAT, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK SOME OF US DRIVE THROUGH THE CROSSWALK MORE THAN OTHERS WHEN IT'S CROSSWALK IS CLOSED, CARS ARE STILL STOPPING 'CAUSE THEY SEE CROSSWALK.
IS THERE ANY WAY OF TEMPORARILY CLOSING UP THE CROSSWALK SIGNS COVERING UP OR PUTTING UP TEMPORARY SIGNS THAT SAY CROSSWALK CLOSED PROCEED? YEAH.
AND, AND ACTUALLY KURT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT, BUT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TESTING THAT.
SO YEAH, LIKE YOU'LL SEE THE RE BAGGING THOSE SIGNS AND UH, AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT USING A PORTABLE MESSAGE BOARD.
JUST, JUST CURIOUS, KATHY, DO YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP? YEAH, I DO.
UM, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED WHETHER OR NOT THOUGH, AND I THINK YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION, BUT I'M GONNA ASK A DIFFERENT WAY IF IT'S OPEN SOMETIMES AND CLOSED SOMETIMES.
AND I THINK WHEN YOU SAID PREDICTABILITY WOULD ADDRESS THIS, UM, ARE WE CONFUSING THE PUBLIC AND ARE WE NOT TEACHING PEOPLE TO GO TO THE UNDERPASS, WHICH WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE CREEK WALK IS THE PREFERRED WAY TO GET THROUGH THERE BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SAFER.
RIGHT? SO I'M JUST WORRIED THAT WE ARE MAYBE NOT MODELING GOOD BEHAVIOR OR THE BEHAVIOR THAT WE WANT IF IT'S SPORADIC.
RIGHT NOW I THINK THE PREDICTABILITY THAT WE'RE AFTER IS WHEN UH, WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE CLOSED, IT, IT WILL BE, UM, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE JUST CLOSING IT TO CLOSE IT.
I, SO WE'LL, WE'LL BE TRYING TO REFINE THAT FURTHER.
WE'RE ALSO UNFORTUNATELY UP AGAINST THE CHALLENGE OF HAVING NEW PEOPLE IN OUR CITY EVERY DAY.
SO WHEN WE'D LOVE TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO EDUCATE AND TEACH LEARNED BEHAVIOR, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY.
A LOT OF TIMES I THINK THOUGH, YOU'RE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT PREDICTABILITY, LIKE IF IT WAS CLOSED FROM 10:00 AM TO 6:00 PM OR SOMETHING EVERY DAY, THAT THAT MAKES A SENSE.
RIGHT? AND IT COULD BE THAT WE GET TO A POINT WHERE DURING HIGH CONGESTION SEASON, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENS AND MAYBE WE, WE GET THAT MESSAGE OUT THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA AND OTHER METHODS AS WELL JUST TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.
MELISSA, SO, SO FIRST ALL ASK MY QUESTION ON THE QUESTION AROUND THE CROSSWALK, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT HUMANS ARE NOT PREDICTABLE
AND WE ALL KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, THAT WHEN SOMEBODY'S HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME OR IF THEY'RE HERE, UM, THEY WERE HERE SIX MONTHS AGO AND THE BEHAVIOR WAS ONE WAY SIX MONTHS AGO, BUT NOW IT'S A DIFFERENT WAY.
THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA TAKE THE COURSE OF LEAST RESISTANCE AND THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA DO WHAT THEY THINK THEY WANNA DO.
WE SEE IT ON 89 A WHERE THEY'RE JAYWALKING IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT IS OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE BUSIEST ROADS EVER.
AND THEN STANDING IN THE, YOU KNOW, UM, DEAD MAN'S LANE.
SO WE ALREADY SEE THAT BEHAVIOR.
SO UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS LIKE A 10 FOOT WALL, THEY'RE JUST GONNA GO OVER IT.
AND WE'VE, I'VE NOTICED GOING THROUGH THE CROSSWALK, WHEN YOU'VE USED THE TEMPORARY BARRIERS, THEY JUST PULL 'EM ASIDE AND CONTINUE USING THE LEAST RESISTANCE, WHICH IS TO USE THE CROSSWALK TO GO ACROSS.
SO I'M STILL REALLY CONFUSED AS TO HOW YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM DOING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, WHICH IS THE SHORTEST, MOST DIRECT ROUTE POSSIBLE.
WELL, WE ALSO SEE THAT PEOPLE JUST WALK THROUGH THE LEFT TURN LANES, YOU KNOW, JAYWALKING.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT CAN STILL HAPPEN.
I, I THINK IT'S A LOW OCCURRENCE.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE AFTER IS, IS UH, GETTING MAJORITY COMPLIANCE SO THAT IT HAS, YOU KNOW, A POSITIVE IMPACT ON, ON CONGESTION, BUT GETTING A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE.
UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN WITH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE FENCING THAT WE
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HAVE IN UPTOWN, YOU STILL SEE PEOPLE TRY TO GET OVER THAT, WHICH IS REALLY NOT A GOOD IDEA, BUT IT HAS HAPPENED.SO YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S JUST GAINING A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLAINTS IS GONNA BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.
WELL I LOOK FORWARD TO THE METRICS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AROUND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S PREDICTABILITY WILL ACTUALLY BE EFFECTIVE BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE, TO ME THE KEY IS IF YOU'RE DOING IT FROM 10 TO 10 BUT PEOPLE ARE STILL CROSSING AT THE CROSSWALK AND GOING OVER WHATEVER YOUR BARRIER IS, IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA SLOW THAT CROSSWALK BEHAVIOR DOWN EVEN FURTHER.
SO, 'CAUSE ONCE I SEE SOMEONE DO IT, I THINK THAT, THAT SOUNDS GOOD.
SO I'LL BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT METRICS YOU COME UP WITH AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO LOOK.
UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS AROUND THE UM, THE ADAPTIVE SIGNALING AT THE ROUNDABOUT AT THE Y AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO PLAY.
I MEAN ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT WAS WHETHER OR NOT YOU THOUGHT THIS WOULD IMPROVE EVACUATION, UM, FROM UPTOWN WHERE EVEN WHEN THE GARAGE IS IN PLACE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AT LEAST TWO POINTS AT WHICH WE KNOW PEOPLE WILL BE COMING DOWN, THEY'LL BE COMING DOWN JORDAN, THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING DOWN FOREST ROAD.
SO HOW ARE, HOW ARE THOSE ALL GOING TO WORK? BECAUSE FOREST ROAD IS NOT GONNA BE SIGNALED, RIGHT? FOREST ROAD'S GONNA BE A ROUNDABOUT OR IS IT GONNA BE A SIGNALED ROUNDABOUT? YEAH, THAT RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS PUTTING IN ALSO THE SIGNALS AT THE NEW FOREST ROAD ROUNDABOUT.
SO YES, THE SIGNALED ROUNDABOUT AND JORDAN, WE'VE GOT JORDAN ALSO BEING SIGNALED.
POSSIBLY, I MEAN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL LOOK AT AT ALL OF OUR INTERSECTIONS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST THE JORDAN PROBLEM IS THE CROSSWALKS.
SO I JUST HOPE YOU'RE TAKING LIKE ALL OF THAT INTO ACCOUNT THAT THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT GETTING OUR VISITORS OUT OF TOWN.
WE WANNA GET OUR RESIDENTS OUT OF TOWN.
AND WE DON'T WANT OUR RESIDENTS TO END UP BEHIND TRAFFIC JAMS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE SIGNALIZATION THAT'S HAPPENING AT THE Y THE ADAPTIVE SIGNALIZATION.
SO I HOPE WHEN YOU DO YOUR MODELING, YOU'RE TAKING IN THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT STREAMS OF PEOPLE COMING FROM, NOT THE HEART OF UPTOWN, BUT FROM ALL THE AREAS AROUND THE TOP AND THE SIDES OF UPTOWN AS WELL.
SO I JUST, I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT WHAT I DON'T WANT IS CONGESTION TO SUDDENLY HAPPEN BECAUSE WE'VE GOT PEOPLE TRYING TO MOVE FROM WHERE YOU'RE NOT LOOKING TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE MOVING FROM.
AND IF YOU RECALL IS PART OF THE PARKING STUDY, WE TOOK A HARD LOOK AT EVACUATION STRATEGIES REALLY AS IN TERMS OF THE, THE PARKING GARAGE ITSELF BEING VIEWED AS UM, A CONGESTION POINT FOR TRYING TO EVACUATE THE GARAGE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE RESIDENTS OF UPTOWN WITH COMING DOWN JORDAN AS WELL AS USING FOREST.
AND WE, WE PUT TOGETHER DETAILED MODELS AND MET WITH PD MULTIPLE TIMES TO DETERMINE THE EVACUATION STRATEGY THERE.
AND THE BIG, THE GREAT NEWS WAS FOREST, THE FOREST CONNECTION REALLY AIDED IN THAT 'CAUSE THEY COULD HAVE A MEANS TO ACTUALLY SPLIT TRAFFIC USE FOREST RUN WEST ON 89 A RUN ONE LANE INTO TWO LANES AND HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CAPACITY IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, SO YEAH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE CERTAINLY LOOKED AT THAT AND I THINK THE, JUST HAVING THE ADAPTIVE SIGNALS WOULD JUST FURTHER EXPAND ON THAT ABILITY TO EVACUATE BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE JUST RATHER THAN, 'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT PD HAD BROUGHT UP IN THAT DISCUSSION WAS MAKING SURE THEY HAVE AN OFFICER READY, UM, POTENTIALLY STAGED IN THE GARAGE, POTENTIALLY STAGING, UH, BARRICADE EQUIPMENT OUT THERE.
SO YOU COULD IMMEDIATELY DO THAT IF YOU ADDED A SIGNAL COMPONENT TO THAT THAT WOULD RELIEVE SOME OF THE, THE STRESS ON, ON PD TO USE THERE.
YOU COULD USE SIGNALS TO ACTUALLY GET PEOPLE OUT WITH GREENS AS OPPOSED TO PEOPLE.
YOU STILL NEED AN OFFICER OUT THERE DIRECTING.
AND THE WAY WE KIND OF SET THE PLAN WAS YOU COME DOWN FOREST, USE THAT OUTSIDE LANE TO GO THROUGH AS YOU'RE BRINGING EVERYONE ELSE THROUGH THAT'S HEADING NORTH TO WEST.
UM, BUT AN ADAPTIVE SIGNAL WOULD JUST AGAIN, EXPAND ON THAT ABILITY TO CONTROL, EVACUATE TRAFFIC FOR SOME RESIDENTS IN UPTOWN GETTING TO FOREST IS TO CROSS ALL OF UPTOWN IN ORDER TO GET THERE 'CAUSE THEY'RE CLOSER TO THE OTHER SIDE.
YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH FIRE DISTRICT AND WHERE THEY'RE GONNA END UP, I THINK ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO REALLY PLAY INTO THE MODELS AS WELL.
UM, SO THIS TO ME NEEDS TO BE A CONSTANT THOUGHT PROCESS AND NOT US LETTING US SIT ON ASSUMPTIONS AND THEN ASSUME THAT THOSE ASSUMPTIONS ARE STILL GOOD WHEN THINGS HAVE CHANGED AROUND THEM.
SO THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING IS JUST MAKE IT COMPLETELY AND JUST TO GET, I KNOW YOU PROBABLY WANNA MOVE ON, BUT THAT WAS ONE THING LOOKING AT FOREST WAS RECOGNIZING THAT SOME RESIDENTS WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE IT TO FOREST, BUT FOR THOSE THAT ARE COMING DOWN JORDAN FROM THE WEST SIDE, THEY HIT FOREST THAT FREEZE UP CAPACITY AT JORDAN AND YOU'RE ABLE TO KIND OF RUN THOSE IN PARALLEL AS THEY GET TO 89.
SO IT DID LOOK IN THE MODEL THAT IT WAS, IT, IT RELIEVED SOME OF THAT EVACUATION
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CONGESTION FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.DEREK, YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT? UH, QUESTION FOR ANDY.
HAVE YOU GUYS GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO WHAT THE BARRIERS WOULD BE AT THE CROSSWALK IF WE DO GET ADOT APPROVAL TO CLOSE 'EM DOWN? I MEAN IF WE USE WHAT'S THERE NOW, UH, UH, LIKE MELISSA SAID, PEOPLE ARE JUST GONNA MOVE THEM.
I FEEL LIKE WE NEED SOMETHING.
SHUTS AND LOCKS AND YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY UNDER PERMIT UH, REVIEW RIGHT NOW WITH ADOT FOR PUTTING IN PERMANENT UH, FENCING.
PART OF THE HOLDUP ON THAT HAD TO DO WITH, WE REALLY WANTED TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING VERY MUCH LIKE WHAT WE HAVE IN UPTOWN, BUT BASED ON SOME OF THE WIDTHS OF THAT MEDIAN, THERE ARE TOO NARROW TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
SO WE HAD TO DO SOME REDESIGN THERE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY IT'S TAKING LONGER THAN WE EXPECTED TO GET THE PERMANENT FENCING IN PLACE.
OUR ORIGINAL ENCROACHMENT PERMIT FOR THAT BARRIER WAS DENIED UNLESS IT WAS REVISION.
SO I DIDN'T WANT THAT TO HOLD UP THE DELIVERY OF OUR PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK CREEK.
SO WE PULLED IT FROM THE CONTRACT AND NOW WE'VE GOTTA COME UP WITH A SECOND DESIGN THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE BY ADOT, GET THAT APPROVED AND SO ON.
AND THEN TO FOLLOW UP ON THE WHOLE CONVERSATION COUNSELORS, UM, THAT EVERYTHING WE DO ON THIS PREEMPTION AND METERING, THIS IS ADOT RIGHT AWAY.
THIS HAS ALL GOTTA GET APPROVED FOR ADOT.
SO THE DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD WITH THE NORTHERN REGIONAL OFFICE AND FLAGSTAFF, IF THIS GETS APPROVED, IF IT'S, IT'S MOVED OUT, THIS IS NOT JUST GONNA BE IN OUR SEDONA, THE Y IT'S GONNA BE ALL THE ROUNDABOUTS IN THE 1 79 CORRIDOR, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO THE ALREADY TIE INTO THEIR UPGRADED SIGNAL LIGHTS ON 89 A SO THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS TALKING TO EACH OTHER.
SO BEFORE THE, THE SLUG GETS HERE, IT'LL BE MONITORING CARS FROM I 17 ON BOTH WAYS.
SO IT'LL, IT'LL BE ABLE TO, WHEN WE SAY DYNAMIC, IT'S ACTUALLY KNOWING WHAT THAT CAR IS, SO IT'S GONNA PREEMPT IT.
SO IF WE WANNA WORK ON SOMETHING OF TIMING AND SO ON, WE'D HAVE TO WORK WITH ADOT.
SO ANDY, TO FOLLOW UP ON DEREK'S QUESTION, UH, IS THERE A RESTRICTION ON THE HEIGHT OF THAT CENTER MEDIAN OR THE FENCING? SO FOR MELISSA'S, UH, ISSUE, YEAH, WELL THERE, THERE'S CAN OPEN UP TWO FEET.
I THINK THERE'S A MINIMUM HEIGHT, BUT I, I'M SURE IT COULD BE TALLER.
AND ACTUALLY THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH STAFF ABOUT IS MAKING THAT TALLER AS WELL SO THAT THAT HURDLE IS NOT QUITE SO EASY AND BECAUSE THE FIRST DAY WE HAD PEOPLE, YOU KNOW YEAH, OH YEAH.
JUST LITERALLY ING YEAH AND AND JUST LIKE WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW IS VERTICAL POLES, IT'D BE THE SAME THING.
SO IT'S JUST TRYING TO DISTRACT PEOPLE FROM TRYING TO CLIMB IT OR OVER SAY, BUT YOU GOTTA REMEMBER IT'S ADOT AND IT'S ALL ABOUT VISIBILITY AND THERE'S ALL THESE LEFT HAND TURNING DRIVEWAY MOVEMENTS.
SO YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH IT.
WE NEED TO OFFSET IT WHERE IT TERMINATES.
SO IT'S ALL THAT VISIBLE TRIANGLE TO ALLOW THE DRIVERS AND PEDESTRIANS TO SEE EACH OTHER.
THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES TO IT.
DEREK DID YOU HAVE YOUR, ARE YOU DONE, UH, IS THE EXPECTATION THAT IT'LL BE SOMETHING SOMEWHAT DECORATIVE LIKE WE HAVE IN UPTOWN? YEAH AND THAT WAS OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ADJACENT MERCHANT OWNERS.
WE JUST DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THOSE EXISTING STANDARD ONES.
IT WOULD BE INDUSTRIAL LOOKING.
WE WANTED TO MAKE IT ARTIST AT LEAST IT PAINTED.
WELL THE OTHER, THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I'D ADD IS THE LESS THE GATE LOOKS LIKE A GATE, MAYBE THE LESS PEOPLE WILL TRY TO OPEN IT IF IT SORT OF BLENDS WITH WHATEVER THE OTHER RAILING IS.
SO THAT IF YOU'RE JUST WALKING BY AND YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU DON'T AUTOMATICALLY THINK, OH I CAN GO OPEN THAT WALK THROUGH IT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, BACK TO WHAT THE MAYOR WAS BRINGING UP EARLIER, IF WE CAN MAKE THAT ENTIRE CROSSING NOT LOOK LIKE A CROSSING AT ALL WHEN IT'S CLOSED, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL.
SO WE'LL KEEP LOOKING AT THAT AND COMING UP WITH IDEAS OF ON HOW TO, HOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
BRIAN, JUST PULLING OUT MY SIDEWALK ENGINEERING DEGREE FOR A SECOND HERE.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO I NICELY PUT THIS? THAT WOULD BE WE, WE WERE ASKED TO NOT MAKE THE CREEK WALK LOOK LIKE TALLA ALREADY.
THE NAME WE SUPPOSED TO USE STARTED DESIGNING.
THE ADJACENT MERCHANT BUSINESS TO THE CREEK WALK ASKED TO NOT HAVE THE AESTHETIC THEME MATCH THEIRS.
SO JUST FOR THE, SO WHO, WHO ASKED THAT TO LOCKA OR ADOT OR TO LOCKY P OKAY.
UM, JUST TO LET THE COUNCIL KNOW, WE'RE
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LOOKING TO SOMETHING TO, TO, UM, CARRY ON FROM WHAT THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THE BRIDGE AT ADJACENT TO OAK CREEK.IT'D BE THAT METAL CORE 10 RUSTED LOOK, OH WITH, UH, LANDSCAPE, UM, VEGETATION AND IT WOULD BE VINES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT HAS THE NARROW PROFILE, IT PROVIDES THAT STRUCTURE THAT WE NEED, UH, THAT MEETS AOC CRITERIA.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE SCOPING.
SO NOW HOW ABOUT CACTUS? LOTS OF NICE
YOU WANT A JOB SIDEWALK ON RAZOR EDGE ALL MOVING ON.
BUT THAT WOULD, OKAY, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.
BUT I JUST WANT TO JUST STRESS KIND OF THE VIDEO EVIDENCE OF RIGHT NOW, AS I INDICATED IT'S, IT'S NOT FREE FLOW, BUT CARS ARE ABLE TO ACTUALLY MOVE THROUGH DURING THE METERING TIME AND WHEN THE CROSSWALK IS OPEN, WE HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY STOP VEHICLES, RIGHT? SO IT IS FURTHER EXACERBATED IF WE ARE IN A METERING CONDITION AND WE'RE ABLE TO GET TRAFFIC ACTUALLY THROUGH MM-HMM,
GAPS ARE NATURALLY CON CREATED BECAUSE THE CARS NOT MOVING.
AND THAT WAS EVIDENT IN THE VIDEO THAT WE SHOWED LAST COUNCIL MEETING 4:00 PM TIME WHEN IT WAS ALREADY BACKED UP THROUGH THERE.
SO HEADSS COULD CROSS ANYTIME THEY WANTED.
I TRYING TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME.
ULTIMATELY THE CROSSWALK WOULD BE CLOSED DURING PEAK HOURS, NOT PERMANENTLY, BUT THE MARKINGS ON THIS, THE ROAD ARE STILL WHITE MARKS WHEN IT'S CLOSED.
HOW DO WE MAKE THOSE GO AWAY? SO WE DON'T HAVE YOU GONNA HAVE THE SIGNS, YOU GONNA HAVE LIT SIGNS, THEY PROCEED CROSSWALK CLOSED.
I MEAN ULTIMATELY YOU HAVE TO HAVE BOTH.
AND THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT IS YOUR MODEL.
YOU'VE NOTICED WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE CROSSWALKS, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF VARIATIONS OF DIFFERENT MARKINGS AND SOMETIMES NOT EVEN HAVING MARKINGS.
AND THAT COMES DOWN A LOT TI A LOT OF TIMES TO THE VOLUME OF PED TRAFFIC THAT YOU HAVE.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO GET INTO THIS TECHNICALLY WITH ADOT, BUT UM, WE WILL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH IT TO THANK YOU.
HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T BECOME OVERLY BURDENSOME.
RIGHT? WE, WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, LIGHTING, PASSIVE LIGHTING, SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY, THEY'RE DOING IN CALIFORNIA.
SO WE'RE LOOKING INTO THAT ALTERNATIVES THAT YOU WOULD INITIATE IN LIGHTING AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT UPTOWN TO IMPROVE SAFETY AND SO ON.
BUT WE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT IT.
IT'S NOTHING THAT WE WANT TO SHARE TO YOU GUYS YET.
UNTIL WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION I CAN, I COULD JUST IMAGINE IF WE DO HAVE FLOODING ON THE, UH, UNDERPASS THAT UH, PEOPLE CAN USE IT CROSSWALK SAFELY AT THOSE TIMES.
IT'S LIKE LED LIGHTING THAT DOESN'T LIGHT OUT.
IT JUST LIGHTS UP AT THE GRADE.
I MEAN, NEW TECHNOLOGY SAW SOMETHING ABOUT OH YEAH, OKAY.
YEAH, WE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT NOW TO SEE WHAT THE COSTS ARE AND HOW'S WORK.
SO, SO WHEN YOU WERE SHOWING YOUR, YOUR VIDEO, YOU WERE AT THE Y AND THAT REMINDED ME, WE HAVE CROSSWALKS AT THE Y UM, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE CROSSWALKS AT THE Y LIKE WHEN PEOPLE ARE LIKE ME WHO HIKE INTO UPTOWN, WE HAVE TO CROSS AT THOSE CROSSWALKS AT THE Y IN ORDER TO DO THIS.
SO TODAY THERE'S NOTHING THERE, RIGHT? WE JUST PRAY THAT WHEN SOMEONE STOPS, EVERYONE WILL STOP.
UM, SO WHAT'S THE PLAN ON, CAN YOU PULL THAT LAST SLIDE? I THINK IT WAS, OH SORRY, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
SO YOU SEE THE CROSSWALKS AT THE Y MM-HMM.
SO LUCKILY TODAY THE VOLUME OF PET TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION IS VERY LOW.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY EVEN THOUGH THE CITY OWNS THE Y BUILDING, I'LL CALL IT, UH, WE DID NOT WANT TO PUT A USE IN THAT BUILDING THAT WOULD DRAW, YOU KNOW, A HIGH VOLUME OF, OF PED TRAFFIC BECAUSE THAT'S THE LAST PLACE YOU WANT IT IS AT THE Y.
UM, SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE HAVING ANY KIND OF USE THERE THAT MIGHT HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN ATTRACTION FOR PEDESTRIANS UNTIL
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WE FEEL LIKE IT, IT'S OKAY TO DO SO OKAY.TO HAVE HIGHER VOLUME OF PET AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A MITIGATING PROJECT IN MIND FOR THAT TODAY.
SO, WELL TODAY YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE STAYING AT THE HOTEL OR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THOSE SHOPS WHO ARE CROSSING THERE IN ORDER TO GO DOWN THE ROAD, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO I WHAT I'M, THE OTHER THOUGHT I HAD WAS WHETHER OR NOT HAVING PEDESTRIANS WHO ARE CROSSING, 'CAUSE THEY WILL CONTINUE CROSSING THERE, IS THAT GOING TO IN ANY WAY MESS UP YOUR ADAPTIVE SIGNALING BECAUSE YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN THERE AND YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE TRYING TO CROSS AND JUST WONDERING.
I GUESS WHAT I WAS SAYING BEFORE IS YOU CAN LOOK AT, UM, THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING BY OAK CREEK, UH, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE CROSSINGS IN UPTOWN AND LOOK AT THE VOLUME OF PEDESTRIANS THAT, THAT USE THAT CROSSWALK AND COMPARE IT TO THE Y AND THEY'RE DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT.
UH, BUT THE ADAPT IS SIGNALING THAT THE TECHNOLOGY I READ IS INCORPORATING FOR PEDESTRIAN BICYCLIST SAFETY AS WELL.
SO IF YOU HIT THE BUTTON, IT PROVIDES THAT STOP GAP SO YOU'RE NOT THROWING YOURSELF OUT THERE.
THE LIGHTS WILL WORK WITH THE PEDESTRIANS TO ALLOW YOU TO CROSS SAFELY.
IF IT'S REALLY WIDE, IT GIVES YOU REFUGE.
THAT'S PART OF THE TECHNOLOGY.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS A CROSS BUTTON.
BUT, BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, THAT IS KIND OF MESSING UP WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, WHICH IS CREATE EFFICIENCY
AND NOT TO BELABOR IT, BUT THE PLACEMENT OF THE SIGNALS IS CRITICAL.
RIGHT NOW, THE REASON WE'RE PLACING IT UPSTREAM OF THE YIELD LINE IS YOU STILL WANT VEHICLES TO FOLLOW THE YIELD AS YOU APPROACH A ROUNDABOUT.
SO A GREEN AT A AT A SIGNAL DOES NOT MEAN GREEN THROUGH ROUNDABOUT.
IT MEANS GREEN STILL YIELD AT ROUNDABOUT BECAUSE IF PEDESTRIANS ARE CROSSING, SO I SEE YOUR FACE COUNTS ARE GOING, WHAT ARE WE INTRODUCING HERE? BUT THAT'S THE REASON FOR IT IS BECAUSE THE, THE GOAL IS THE ROUNDABOUT STILL FUNCTIONS AS A ROUNDABOUT.
AND SO YOU'RE NOT JUST NOW TURNING THAT INTO A A T INTERSECTION THAT'S NOW SIGNALIZE.
SO THE HYBRID WOULD REQUIRE SOME EDUCATION, BUT A PART OF IT IS PLACING THAT SIGNAL UPSTREAM OF THAT.
SO THERE'S STILL THE ABILITY TO YIELD BECAUSE EVEN AS YOU COME THROUGH THERE GREEN, THERE STILL COULD BE SOME CONFLICTING MOVEMENTS FROM FROM YEAH.
MAYOR, JUST TO PILE ON ON THIS THOUGHT, ANDY, YOU'VE CHUNKED OUT AND COUNCILOR DUNN ASKED A QUESTION THAT, UH, ANDY YOU RESPONDED TO, BUT WE NEED TO DO SOME REAL DEEP THINKING ABOUT OUR DEFINITION OF EFFICIENCY AND IT'S NOT JUST TRAFFIC FLOW.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR MINDSET ISN'T JUST TALKING ABOUT VEHICLES, BUT TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND PEOPLE.
OKAY, I WILL GO QUICK IN THE DEMONSTRATION OF THE DASHBOARD.
AS YOU RECALL, I'VE SHOWN STATIC IMAGES OF IT AND NOW WE HAVE A LIVE DASHBOARD THAT I SENT TO ANDY A COUPLE NIGHTS AGO TO GO THROUGH.
WE'VE ACTUALLY SENT IT TO A RESIDENT, I THINK IT WAS LINCOLN, NINE MONTHS AGO.
REALLY WANTED TO SEE IT, SENT IT TO HIM, DIDN'T HEAR BACK.
I'M SURE HE THOUGHT IT WAS PERFECT, AND THAT'S WHY HE DIDN'T GET BACK TO US, WHICH IS COOL.
UM, SO THIS DASHBOARD IS NOT A PUBLIC TOOL AT THIS POINT.
IT IS NOT A PUBLIC TOOL AT THIS POINT.
THIS WHAT THE, THE SITE I'M ON RIGHT NOW IS PUBLIC, SO I COULD SEND THIS LINK TO ANYBODY AND THEY COULD HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
SO ALL I WOULD TAKE WOULD BE A LINK TO THROUGH THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND ANYONE COULD GET IN HERE AND NAVIGATE IT.
THERE'S TWO STEPS USING POWER BI.
ONE IS STAYS INTERNAL, AND THEN WE HIT A BUTTON, IT GOES LIVE, AND THEN ANYONE CAN, CAN HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
AND THAT'S WHY I CAN UTILIZE IT HERE.
SO WE HAVE ON HERE JUST AN OPENING, THE PROJECT NAMES.
WE ARE, AGAIN, AS FOREST COMES ONLINE AS THE GARAGE, WE WOULD POPULATE THIS WITH DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND NAMES.
SO WE HAVE JUST KIND OF THE OPENING SCREEN, DIFFERENT PROJECTS WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WE HAVE IT ON A GIS MAP IN TERMS OF WHERE THOSE PROJECTS ARE LOCATED.
AGAIN, ANYONE CAN TOGGLE THROUGH HERE.
WE HAVE DATES COMPLETED AND WE HAVE JUST A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF EACH ONE.
AND AGAIN, WE ONLY HAVE THIS LIMITED TO FIVE PROJECTS, BUT AS MORE SIM PROJECTS COME ONLINE, UH, WE ADD THIS, THE NEXT SCREEN IS THE ONE I'VE SHOWN MANY TIMES AND IT CAN BE, UH, PRETTY CHALLENGING AS YOU START TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT.
UH, TOP LEFT IS THE PROJECTS THAT WERE ON THE MAIN SCREEN.
YOU CAN CLICK ON THIS PROJECT AS A STARTING POINT.
AND WHAT IT AUTOMATICALLY DOES IS IT COMPARES KIND OF A YEAR OVER YEAR WHEN THE PROJECT WAS COMPLETED.
SO USING NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS AS OUR STARTING POINT.
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BELL ROCK, TO THE Y WHICH COUNCILOR FOLTZ.I WILL CHANGE THAT TO DOODLE BUG HERE SHORTLY AT YOUR REQUEST IN THE APRIL MEETING.
UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO MARCH OF 23.
SO I'M GONNA START AT THIS ONE.
SO WHAT THIS DOES IS YOU ARE ABLE TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH, THESE ARE ALL THE DIFFERENT TRACTION ROUTES WE'VE BEEN TRACKING SINCE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST THREE, FOUR YEARS.
I'M JUST USING ONE EXAMPLE AGAIN, 1 79 NORTHBOUND BELL ROCK TO THE Y.
YOU WILL SEE IT HERE ON THE SCREEN AS WELL.
SO YOU CAN GET A VISUAL OF IT.
AND THEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO THROUGH, AFTER YOU CLICK OUT OF THIS AND SELECT WHICH DATA SOURCE YOU WANT TO USE.
AS YOU ARE AWARE, WE USE TRACTION GOOGLE AND WAZE, WHICH ARE EITHER VEHICLE CONNECTED OR PHONE CONNECTED WAYS OF TRACKING, UH, TRAVEL TIMES THROUGH THE DIFFERENT CORRIDORS.
YOU CAN SELECT GOOGLE, YOU CAN CONTROL SELECT TRACTION AS WELL AS WAYS AND COMPARE THOSE, UM, FOR DIFFERENT DAYS.
YOU CAN DO WEEKENDS, YOU CAN DO WEEKDAYS, AND AGAIN, YOU COMPARE IT DOWN TO JUST ONE.
UM, WHAT IS DOWN HERE AS, I'M JUST GONNA GO USE GOOGLE FOR AN EXAMPLE JUST TO CLEAN IT UP.
SO WHAT WE'RE COMPARING HERE IS MARCH OF 23, ALL OF MARCH.
SO JUST BASICALLY, UH, TRAVEL TIMES FOR MARCH, DURATION 23.
AND THEN WHEN NORTHBOUND WAS COMPLETED IN EARLY MARCH OF 24, WE CAN START TO LOOK AT THOSE TRAVEL TIMES OVER THAT, OVER THAT DURATION.
AND IF, IF WE REMEMBER WHEN IT OPENED UP, WE HAD AN ENTIRE MEETING TO TALK ABOUT KIND OF TRAFFIC CONTROL POST CONSTRUCTION IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT THE LANE CONFIGURATION NEEDED TO BE DOWNSTREAM.
WE STILL HAD TEMPORARY TRAFFIC CONTROL UP, SO WE DIDN'T REALIZE THE BENEFITS OF THE CON THE COMPLETION OF NORTHBOUND BECAUSE THERE WAS, IT WAS PEAK VISITATION TIME AND WE WERE STILL DRIVING THROUGH, UH, ESSENTIALLY A MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC AREA.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S EVIDENT IN THE NUMBERS HERE.
SO AS I GO LOOK AT THIS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE 85TH PERCENTILE TRAVEL TIME.
SO IT'S NOT PEAK HOUR, BUT IT'S BASICALLY THE TOP 15% OF TRAVEL TIME.
SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT AN AVERAGE ANYMORE.
THAT'S A CHANGE WE'VE MADE SINCE THE LAST ONE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ACTUAL MORE OF A PEAK TIME IN WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN DIFFERENCE.
AND IN THIS FIRST CASE OVER MARCH, WE ACTUALLY SEE ON A SATURDAY WE WENT FROM AVERAGE TRAVEL TIME OF 17 TO 23 MINUTES.
SO WE DIDN'T REALIZE A BENEFIT THERE AT ALL.
UM, SIMILAR TO FRIDAY, WE SAW AN INCREASE OF, OF THREE MINUTES ON THAT, ON THAT TRAVEL TIME, UH, THROUGH THAT LENGTH.
IF I JUST UPDATE IT AND MOVE JUST TO APRIL, AND LET'S JUST TRY MID-APRIL OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
AND YOU CAN JUST CHANGE THESE, YOU CAN EITHER TOGGLE IT THROUGH HERE OR YOU CAN CHANGE IT IN THE CALENDAR.
THEN I'LL JUST GO AGAIN, JUST MID TO MID AND SEE IF AS WE STARTED PROMOTING ZIPPER MERGE, AS WE STARTED CHANGING TRAFFIC CONTROL, DID WE START TO ACTUALLY SEE IMPROVED TRAVEL TIMES? UM, AND WE DID.
SO WE WERE STILL HITTING PEAK AS WE KNOW FROM OUR, WE STILL CARRY INTO MID-APRIL.
WE'RE STILL SEEING PEAK PEAK TRAFFIC.
AND WE WENT FROM A 25 MINUTE AND SATURDAY OF 23 TO 19 MINUTES.
UM, UH, 85TH PERCENTILE WAS 33 DOWN TO 27.
SO WE DID REALIZE A BENEFIT THERE AFTER THAT IMPROVEMENT.
BUT, UH, TO COUNSELOR T'S POINT, IT'S A PRETTY LONG RUN.
THERE CAN BE OTHER EXTERNAL STIMULI THAT ACTUALLY CREATE SOME OF THESE CHANGES.
SO WE DID ACTUALLY ADD IN DOODLE BUG.
NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, AGAIN, WE DIDN'T START CAPTURING THIS DATA, UH, UNTIL THAT, THAT APRIL MEETING.
SO WHAT I'LL COMPARE IS I'LL JUST GET A LOOK AT, UH, LET'S USE THE, UH, JULY 4TH WEEKEND COUNTS, WHICH WE KNOW ARE VERY SIMILAR TO LABOR DAY IN TERMS OF VOLUMES THAT WE SAW OVER A, OVER A PEAK WEEKEND.
SO TO DO THAT, I'LL USE THE CALENDAR.
I'LL USE, ACTUALLY I GOTTA GO TO 24.
LET'S DO THE SIXTH, WHICH THEN IT DIDN'T LET ME DO.
SO EVERYBODY JUST HOOK ON YOUR PHONES FOR A SECOND WHILE I GOOF THIS UP FOR LONGER
SO HERE'S 2080 FIFTH PERCENTILE TRAVEL TIME OF 27 MINUTES FROM DOODLE BUG TO THE Y.
AND THEN LET'S LOOK AT WHAT LABOR DAY SAW.
AGAIN, BOTH THESE TIMES WE WERE ACTUALLY METERING.
UM, BUT IN 4TH OF JULY WEEKEND, WE WERE FOCUSED ON, AGAIN, 89 A AND NOT NECESSARILY 1 79, WHEREAS LABOR DAY WE, WE INTRODUCED A FOCUS ON GETTING
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1 79 TRAFFIC THROUGH.SO IF I DO THAT SAME EQUIVALENT SATURDAY, WHICH WAS, UH, YEAH, 31ST AND LET JUST CARRY IT TO HERE, UH, WE SEE A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT.
AND ONE THING TO NOTE IS YOU CAN THEN ACTUALLY GO TO THE SCREEN BELOW AND AGAIN, KIND OF CHANGE THE Y AXIS HERE TO LOOK AT THESE TRAVEL TIMES.
AND AS WE'VE ALWAYS SEEN, 10:00 AM IT STARTS TO BUILD UP.
WE SEE EVERYONE TOOK A SIESTA AT NOON FOR SOME REASON, AND THEN IT BUILT BACK UP AT TWO AND THEN DISSIPATED AT FOUR.
HERE WHEN WE'RE METERING, WE DIDN'T SEE NEAR AS MUCH OF A BUILDUP, UM, UNTIL WE STOPPED METERING AT TWO O'CLOCK AND THEN IT BUILT BACK UP AT FOUR.
WELL, I'VE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF THE PROBLEM TRIAL WAS THAT SUNDAY WHEN TRAFFIC ACTUALLY STARTED TO HIT MUCH EARLIER COMPARISON TO THAT SUNDAY, 4TH OF JULY, WHICH WOULD BE A, A TOUGH COMPARISON.
'CAUSE A SUNDAY, 4TH OF JULY IS NOT, NOT AS EQUIVALENT TO A LABOR DAY SUN LABOR DAY WEEKEND SUNDAY.
BUT WE SEE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THOSE DAYS, AND THAT IS BECAUSE TRAFFIC STARTED TO BUILD AT 10 O'CLOCK AND WE DIDN'T START METERING UNTIL 11.
AND THAT SHOWS RIGHT HERE BY 11 O'CLOCK.
WE'VE ALREADY STARTED TO HIT THAT PEAK TRAVEL TIME AND WE CAN'T CATCH UP BACK WITH IT.
SO THIS, THE WHOLE GOAL OF THE DASHBOARD AGAIN, WAS TO HOUSE ALL THE DATA AND ALL THE ANALYSIS AND COMPARISON IN ONE DASHBOARD.
SO I DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN EXCEL SPREADSHEETS OR VIS MODELS.
AND SO NOW ANY USER CAN COME IN HERE AND WE UPDATED THIS ACTUALLY LAST NIGHT.
WE UPDATED IT THROUGH TWO DAYS AGO.
SO AS WE GET THESE TRAVEL TIMES, WE CAN AUTOMATE IT, WE CAN INPUT IT, AND YOU CAN DO YEAR OVER YEAR CHECKS ON YOUR OWN.
WE SET IT UP SO IT'S POST IMMEDIATELY POST PROJECT IMPROVEMENT, BUT ANYBODY CAN GET IN THERE AND CHECK, CHECK CERTAIN RUNS, CERTAIN ROUTES BASED ON IMPROVEMENTS.
AND AS MORE IMPROVEMENTS COME ONLINE, THAT'S WHEN WE CAN REALLY START TO CHECK KIND OF THE POWER OF THIS TOOL, BUT ALSO TRUTH CHECK, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF REALIZED BENEFITS OF THE IMPROVEMENTS.
YOU'RE BACK ON THE ISLAND, BRIAN.
I'M BACK ON THE ISLAND, YES,
UM, THERE'S JUST A FEW MORE TABS HERE AND THIS ONE AGAIN, IT OPENS UP JUST TO, BUT YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO THROUGH AND JUST, JUST RAW TRAVEL TIME DATA.
SO THE OTHER, THE OTHER SCREEN IS COMPARISON.
THIS ONE, ANYBODY COULD COME IN HERE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK DOODLE BUG, UM, 1 7, 9 DOODLE BUG TO THE Y TOOK ME X NUMBER OF MINUTES ON THIS DAY.
AND YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND IMMEDIATELY CONFIRM IT.
AND SO WE HAVE, AGAIN, YOU CAN LOOK AT DIFFERENT DATA SOURCES HERE AND JUST SEE HERE'S HOW THE PEAKS WORK.
AND SO THIS ONES, IF SOMEONE DOESN'T REALLY NECESSARILY WANT TO GO DO AN ANALYSIS ON THEIR OWN, IT'S JUST KIND OF A TRUTH CHECK ON WHAT THEY WERE EXPERIENCING, WHICH CAN BE BENEFICIAL WHEN YOU'RE STUCK IN TRAFFIC FOR FIVE MINUTES, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE AN HOUR.
AND THEN YOU CAN GO AND LOOK AT IT AND GO, OH, IT ACTUALLY WAS SEVEN MINUTES, BUT IT, IT STILL STUNK.
IT STILL FELT LIKE AN YEAH, IT'S STILL, YEAH, PERCEPTION.
UM, WE ARE STILL UPDATING THIS, UM, THIS IS THE VIS MODEL RESULTS.
SO A LOT OF IT WE WANTED TO ALSO HOUSE WHAT DOES OUR MODEL PROJECTIONS LOOK LIKE VERSUS WHAT IS REALIZED.
AND WE NEED TO GO THROUGH AND UPDATE THIS BECAUSE THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OLD.
SOME OF THIS WAS, WAS ANTICIPATING, UM, THAT THE FOREST CONNECTION WAS GOING TO BE COMPLETE.
AND SO WE NEED TO GO BACK AND KIND OF RETHINK THIS SLIDE.
UH, BUT IT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY THAT IF SOMEONE JUST WANTS TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE MODELING IN TERMS OF THE VIS RESULTS, THIS IS WILL BE A PRETTY QUICK PAGE TO WHERE YOU CAN GO LOOK AT WHAT FUTURE PROJECTIONS LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN WE'VE ACTUALLY STARTED TO INCORPORATE, AND THIS IS HOT OFF THE PRESS, WE'VE STARTED TO INCORPORATE VEHICLE AND PET COUNTS AND KIND OF HOW THOSE ARE GOING TO INTERACT.
AND YOU KNOW, TO COUNCILOR FURMAN'S POINT, UH, WE'RE RECOGNIZING THESE, THESE SOLUTIONS ARE NOT JUST FOR VEHICLES, BUT WE IN SOME CASES WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT HOW DOES PEDESTRIAN VOLUME COMPARE TO VEHICLE VOLUME.
AND IN SOME CASES IT EXCEEDS IT.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOUTHBOUND AT FOREST, UH, IN SOME CASES YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS WHERE WE CLOSED THE CROSSWALK.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY COUNTS THERE.
'CAUSE THIS IS THE SOUTHBOUND TO LOCKBOX.
THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE CROSSING 1 79 AND IT SHOWS UP RIGHT HERE ON THE DATA.
SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT OF THE TRUTH.
CHECK IN REAL TIME DATA THAT CLOSED THE CLO CLOSED THE CROSSWALK.
YOU STILL SEE, TO SOMEONE'S POINT EARLIER, THERE WAS STILL A COUPLE PEDESTRIANS THAT WERE SNEAKING ACROSS EVEN WHEN IT WAS CLOSED.
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THOSE UP IN THE COUNTS.MAYOR, IF I COULD YES, PLEASE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT TIES TOGETHER YESTERDAY FROM TODAY OUR, OUR TWO MEETINGS AND WE TALK ABOUT TOURISM MANAGEMENT AND I, I ENVISION A FICTITIOUS TOURISM MANAGEMENT 3.0 STRATEGY, BUT IN MY MIND, USING SOME OF THIS TRAFFIC COUNT DATA IS A WAY FOR US TO AT LEAST DO A FIRST ORDER OF MAGNITUDE ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN TOWN.
AND WE SECONDARILY COULD REALLY, WE TIE OUT A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT OUR SUCCESS METRICS OF TOURISM MANAGEMENT, AND THERE'S SOME DATA HERE MM-HMM.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS DIFFICULT IN ORGANIZATIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT TOWERS NOT SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER.
AND I KNOW OUR TOURISM FOLKS AREN'T HERE TODAY, BUT THEY'RE LISTENING.
WELL, AND ACTUALLY, UH, ANDREW AND I BOTH KIND OF PARTICIPATED IN THE, THE VISITATION DATA STUDY THAT, THAT THE TOURISM GROUP, UH, PUT TOGETHER.
SO, SO WE, WE DO WORK TOGETHER ON THAT.
AND I I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING LAST NIGHT WHEN THAT DISCUSSION WAS GOING ON, THAT THERE'S PROBABLY SOMETHING IN WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE THAT WE COULD WORK WITH THEM ON.
PETER, ARE YOU DONE BEFORE MELISSA GO? YES, I'M SIR.
SO I'M GONNA KIND OF HOP ON WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY AND JUST PUT OUT WHAT TRIGGERS IN MY MIND AS A CAUTIONARY NOTE.
AND THAT IS, WE KNOW THAT A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE PASSING THROUGH THE WIRE, PASSING THROUGH TOWN, THEY ARE NOT ACTUALLY VISITORS TO US.
THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST PASSING THROUGH.
SO I WOULD JUST SAY AS A CAVEAT, USING THE DATA, THAT'S THE, THAT'S CAR DATA.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WOULD FIT INTO SOME KIND OF MATHEMATICAL CALCULATION TO REMOVE THE FACT THAT WE THINK THAT 50% OF THE PEOPLE ARE JUST ON THEIR WAY THROUGH AND THEY'RE JUST PASSING THROUGH THE Y SO I DON'T, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE THAT WE NEED TO USE THIS WITH A MAYBE CELLAR OF SALT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND SECOND, IF OUR WHOLE GOAL HERE IS TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS AND EITHER USING OR TRANSIT, WALKING USING BICYCLES, I WOULD HOPE THAT SOME OF THIS DATA WOULD GO DOWN AND FOR THE CARS AND UP FOR PS.
AND ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING BIKES, BUT, UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE RIDING, YOU KNOW, BICYCLES NOW AROUND TOWN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY FIT INTO THIS MODEL.
SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT ALL THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE VISIONS AROUND A MULTIMODAL CITY WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING OUTTA THEIR VEHICLES AND THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THESE PLACES EITHER ON A TRANSIT SYSTEM OR ON FOOT OR ON A BICYCLE.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT FITS HERE YET, BUT I'M SURE YOU GUYS WILL FIGURE IT OUT.
WELL, CAN I ASK MELISSA, CAN I, LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION SO I CAN UNDERSTAND.
IF YOU JUST SAID 50% MAYBE MM-HMM.
SO YOU REALLY TALK ABOUT 50% TO 50% OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE VISITORS MAYBE.
AND SO, SO THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S SORT OF SEPARATE COMMENTS.
THE ONE COMMENT IS, IF YOU LOOKED ONLY AT THE CAR TRAFFIC THROUGH THE Y YOU MAY NOT GET AN ACCURATE NUMBER OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY STAYING HERE AND VISITING HERE, BECAUSE SOME NUMBER OF THEM ARE NOT.
AND THE OTHER COMMENT IS WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE, THIS, THIS BEAUTIFUL GRAPH HE'S GOT GOING HERE, THAT PURPLE NUMBER, THAT PURPLE GRAPH MAY CHANGE.
AND WE WANT IT TO CHANGE IF WE WANNA HAVE MORE PEDESTRIANS AND WE WANNA HAVE MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON BICYCLES.
AND I, I'M JUST GONNA ASSUME FOR A SECOND THAT THEY COUNT AS PEDESTRIANS AND NOT CARS, BUT THEY COULD BE COUNTING AS CARS BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THE CAR LANE POTENTIALLY IF THEY'RE NOT ON AN SUP.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE PIECES HERE THAT I JUST, JUST AS A CAVEAT, I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THOSE LITTLE THINGS IN MIND AND AS A PRIORITY FOR THE COUNCIL, WE NEED TO DECIDE WHERE THOSE PRIORITIES ARE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE BUDGET HAS TO GO.
SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OFF THERE AS THOUGHT.
THANKS FOR CLEARING IT UP FOR ME.
I THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE ABOVE MY PAY GRADE TOO, SO THANKS FOR, SO ONE THING WE'VE TAUGHT, AND ANDY YOU MIGHT HIT ON THAT, IS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GETTING CAMERAS AND COUNTS SET UP AT SHARED USE PATHS AND THE TECHNOLOGY CAN DISCERN BETWEEN BIKE AND PED.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WE STARTED TO SET THIS UP IS SO WE WILL START TO COUNT BIKES AND PEDS ON THE SHARED USE PATHS AND START TO BUILD THAT DATA SET AND SEE, TO YOUR POINT, COUNSELOR, IT'S, IF IT'S GROWING AND TRAFFIC'S GOING DOWN, THAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL SCENARIO.
BUT THE DASHBOARD ITSELF CAN HOUSE THE
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ANALYSIS AND THE DATA FOR ALL MULTIMODAL USES.YEAH, IF I COULD, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BRIGHT EXCHANGE SITE, IT WAS INTENDED TO BE A MULTIMODAL EXCHANGE.
SO WHILE WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE REGIONAL CONNECTIONS FOR TRANSIT AND SAYING THAT'S STILL SOMETHING WE NEED TO, UM, RESOLVE, WE, WE DO KNOW THAT THE MULTIMODAL USE IS SOMETHING THAT IS STILL MOVING FORWARD.
SO IT COULD BE THE PRIORITY OF THAT SITE NEEDS TO BE RELOOKED AT.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER TO THE OTHER POINT, IF YOU MARRY YOUR COMMENT TOGETHER WITH COUNSELOR FURMAN, IF YOU TAKE THE 50% PASS THROUGH AND YOU'RE ABLE TO GET THOSE FOLKS OUTTA THEIR CAR AND SPEND SALES TAX IN UPTOWN, FOR INSTANCE, AND YOU'RE ABLE TO SHOW THAT AS A METRIC, TO ME THAT'S, THAT'S A WIN BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THAT TRAFFIC ANYWAY.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU KEEP THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, BUT YOU'RE GETTING MORE TO STOP AND, AND UH, CONDUCT BUSINESS IN OUR CITY, UM, THAT COULD BE A WAY FOR THOSE TWO THINGS TO WORK TOGETHER.
SO IS THERE A WAY, AND BECAUSE I DRIVE ON, UH, 1 79, OFTEN I'M SEEING MORE AND MORE BIKES FROM ARABELLA AND THEY HAVE THE RED BIKES AND IT'S QUITE INSPIRING TO SEE THAT MORE.
I MEAN IT DEPENDS ON THE TIME OF THE YEAR, BUT IS THERE ANY WAY OF GETTING THE KIND OF NUMBERS OF THEIR RENTALS? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CHARGE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, WHAT THEY DO OR HOW MANY BIKES THEY HAVE, BUT MAYBE THAT COULD BE ADDED INTO, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THEM UP AT THE Y I'VE SEEN THEM DOWN ON ONCE EVERY NINE.
YOU SEE 'EM ALL OVER WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
I, I DON'T SEE 'EM IN WEST SEDONA, BUT PEOPLE ARE USING THEM AND MAYBE WE CAN ENCOURAGE OTHER HOTELS TO DO THE SAME.
I THINK THAT SOUNDS LIKE A JOB FOR OUR BICYCLE COORDINATORS.
YOU KNOW, DO WE STILL HAVE THAT PETITION OR, OKAY.
I JUST TO TAG ON ANDY'S POINT ON RIDE EXCHANGE IS IT WAS PURPOSELY SET UP FOR YOU CAN'T GET THERE BY VEHICLE.
YOU THE ONLY WAY TO GET THERE IS TO WALK, BIKE OR TRANSIT, TAKE A TRANSIT.
AND AND WE DID, WE SET THAT UP PURPOSELY.
THERE'S ONLY REMEMBER FIVE SPOTS DESIGNATED IT'S PARATRANSIT AND UH, SHIFT CHANGE, THAT'S IT.
SO THAT, THAT ITSELF WAS REALLY PROMOTING MULTIMODAL USAGE, UH, EXCEEDING ZERO VEHICLES GOING THROUGH THERE.
WE WE'RE GETTING THERE SIX O'CLOCK IS, I'M ANTICIPATING, I'M, I'M DONE.
YEAH, YOU TOLD ME TO MOVE ALONG.
SO I TOOK THAT AS I GOTTA CUT THE REST OF MY HOUR AND A HALF.
I JUST WANTED DEMONSTRATE THE, THE DASHBOARD AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I GOT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY BREAK BEFORE THEY START? YEAH, WE HAVE OUR SIM REGULAR UPDATE THAT WE'LL GO OVER.
SO I DON'T DUNNO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A BREAK OR WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK, JUST PUNCH THROUGH.
THANK YOU FOR HANGING IN THERE WITH US.
WE'RE ON THE HOME RUN RIGHT HERE.
UM, FIRST OF ALL WE HAVE LANCE L WAY HERE.
AND UM, GREAT TO INTRODUCE HIM.
UM, WE'RE GONNA TO TALK A BIT ABOUT, AND THEN I'LL HAND IT OVER TO, TO LANCE.
UH, BUT I WANT TO GET THROUGH IT FIRST.
SO THIS IS JUST TO BE THE ABBREVIATED ONE.
'CAUSE I KNOW WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF WHAT, SO ASK QUESTIONS, UM, AS WE MOVE ALONG.
AND, UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE SCHEDULED FOR, UM, 200 MINUTES.
UM, IF WE WANNA STAY ON 80 MINUTES TO TWO, 200 MINUTES.
SO I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW WE'RE IN THE QUESTION AND ANSWER SIDE.
SO I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO.
WE WON'T BE TAKING YOU UP ON THAT EXTENDED PERIOD.
UNLESS WE HAVE TO, IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, THAT'S FINE.
BUT YOU ASK QUESTIONS AWAY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
I WANT TO TRY TO ANSWER AS MANY AS YOU CAN AND, UM, GET 'EM ANSWERED.
UM, THIS IS OUR SIM TWO, OUR UPTOWN PEDESTRIAN.
I KIND OF CAME UP WITH THIS ABOUT, UM, ACTUALLY, UM, TRYING TO SHOW THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OR WHAT A CONCEPT COULD BE.
UM, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP, UM, I THINK BY COUNCILMAN FOLTZ.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S THESE ARE THESE OLDER PROJECTS THAT WE WERE, ARE BEING DIRECTED TO LOOK AT, AGAIN, DUST OFF AND, UM,
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APPROACH YOU IN A DECISION PACKAGE IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT IN THE PRIORITY, UH, SETTING MEETING, THAT, UM, WE'LL LIKELY BE DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT WE MOVE THIS UP IN PRIORITY AGAIN.
AND WHEN WE DO, I MEAN, MY FEELINGS ON THIS, IT'S NOT JUST ONE.
I MEAN, IT IS ELIMINATING ALL AT GRADE ON DEMAND CROSSINGS.
AND IF THAT MEANS WE NEED THREE OF THESE THINGS, WHATEVER.
RIGHT? LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I HOPE WE TAKE UP AND CONSIDER.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOW SAYING, HEY, LET'S TALK ABOUT, UM, UH, YES, I'M HAVING, OH, I, I WON'T SAY IT, BUT, UM, BYPASS, I'M HAVING BRAIN BYPASS.
BUT IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE BRINGING UP, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT BYPASS IDEAS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
TO ME, THIS IS IN THAT REALM OF PROBABLY COSTLY, UH, PROBABLY GONNA ELICIT SOME REALLY STRONG OPINIONS FROM PEOPLE, BUT ALSO MASSIVELY IMPACTFUL IF WE CAN ELIMINATE THE FRICTION OF PEDS STOPPING CARS IN UPTOWN.
SO KATHY, THERE HAVE BEEN STRONG PAST OPINIONS ON, ON THESE, A LOT OF PUSHBACK, UM, IN TERMS OF THE VIEWS AND SEDONA AND HOW IT FITS IN.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT AGAIN, AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GET INTO A PROLONGED DISCUSSION BECAUSE I THINK IT BELONGS IN THE PRIORITY SESSION, BUT, UH, THERE WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT DOLLAR AMOUNTS ATTACHED TO THESE AS WELL WHEN WE'RE MOVING INTO A TIME OF, I THINK HAVING TO STREAMLINE SOME PRIORITIES.
BUT THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
BUT YES, TO YOUR QUESTION, THERE HAS BEEN IN THE PAST SIGNIFICANT RESPONSE TO THIS MM-HMM.
AND THAT WOULD BE NEGATIVE RESPONSE TO THIS
LIKE UNDER OVER MY DEAD BODY RESPONSE
WELL, BUT THEN IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEGATIVE RESPONSE TO BE FAIR.
IF, TO BE FAIR, PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE LESS TRAFFIC IN UPTOWN.
THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO DRIVE THROUGH AND NOT HAVE PEDESTRIANS.
SO YOU HAVE, IT'S A MIXED BAG TO BE FAIR.
NOT THAT WE ARE TAKING A POSITION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT THERE IS TWO SIDES TO THIS.
AND THAT COULD ANSWER, I DON'T KNOW IF I LIKE IT EITHER, BUT THAT COULD ANSWER TO ALLOW TRAFFIC AND ANOTHER PINCH POINT TO GO AWAY OR AT LEAST BE REDUCED.
AND I MEAN, WE'RE KNOW, WE'RE, WE ARE HALF SERIOUS HERE, HALF JOKING, BUT I MEAN, IT IS A CONTROVERSIAL SUBJECT.
I I WOULD NOT FEEL PREPARED TO PRIORITIZE THIS UNLESS THERE WAS MORE WORK DONE TO PRESENT IT.
SO IT WOULD NEED TO BE UPDATED.
AND SOME, SOME, SOME FACTS OF YEAH.
WHAT'S ANTICIPATED THE, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF REDUCTION IN A PINCH POINT.
KURT HAS, ANDY HAS SOME INFORMATION.
MY MY QUICK THOUGHT IS THAT IF WE COULD GET THIS, UM, STRATEGY RERUN THROUGH THE VIM MODEL AND HAVE THAT DATA READY FOR THAT DISCUSSION.
UM, AND JUST REMEMBER, LIKE IN THE, UM, IT'S NOTED IN HERE, IT'S ABOUT PARKING, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO UPTOWN.
SO IT'S, WE'RE GONNA, PART OF THIS PRESENTATION IS IT IS GONNA BE ANOTHER ATTRACTION.
THEY MIGHT BE A VIEWING PLATFORM.
THERE'S GONNA BE ACCESS TO THE PARKING FROM WAYSIDE FROM THE MUNICIPAL LOT.
SO THOSE ARE THOSE OTHER ADVANTAGES THAT WE WERE TRYING TO SELL THIS, AND THAT'S WHY WE'D START AT THE WAYSIDE.
SO ALL GOOD TOPICS TO TALK ABOUT.
AND HERE'S OUR SIM FIVE, A PORTAL BREWER CONNECTION.
UM, WE'RE ON ONGOING DISCUSSIONS.
UM, THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER BIG PRIORITY PROJECT, UM, THAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED IN THE AGENDA BILL.
UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE ADJACENT PARTNERS.
UM, WE'RE ANTICIPATING TO BE INVITED WITH A, A PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
WITH THAT THEN WE CAN COORDINATE, UM, THESE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, WITH THE MERCHANTS AND, UM, HOPEFULLY HAVE THIS VITAL CONNECTION BECAUSE BASICALLY THE MODELS HAVE SHOWED THAT IT IS WORTH, UH, THE PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD AND IT WOULD RELIEVE A LOT OF CONGESTION ON THAT 1 79 FROM THE SCHEV TO THE Y.
SO KURT, UM, AND MAYOR, IF I MAY JUMP IN HERE.
I THINK BACK WHEN WE, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING ON 1 79,
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IT WOULD'VE BEEN WORTHWHILE TO NOTE THAT WE ARE OFFICIALLY STARTING THE WARRANT ANALYSIS, UM, STUDY FOR WHETHER OR NOT THAT CROSSWALK IS NEEDED TO STAY OPEN OR CLOSED IN THE FUTURE.UM, I MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE FIND THAT IT'S BENEFICIAL TO HAVE A CLOSURE.
THERE ARE TIMES WHEN IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE A, A BENEFICIAL IMPACT, BUT THAT, THAT IS RELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION AS WELL, BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FRICTION AND, UH, CONGESTION ON 1 79, THIS IS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WOULD HAVE A VERY MEANINGFUL IMPACT ON REDUCING CONGESTION.
AND JUST AS A REMINDER, I HOPE I'M NOT STEPPING ON YOUR TOES HERE, KURT, BUT, UM, ONE OF THE BIGGEST BENEFITS OF THIS PRO, THIS STRATEGY AND THIS PROJECT IS THAT WE'RE REMOVING THOSE LE THE LEFT TURNS OR THE U-TURNS IN THE SCHLEY HILL ROUNDABOUT, UH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST, UH, CONTRIBUTORS TO CONGESTION ON 1 79.
SO YEAH, WE JUST GOT THE PROPOSAL, SO WE'RE REVIEWING THAT AND, UM, ONCE WE GET THAT, THEN WE CAN APPROVE IT.
AND THEN ONCE THAT, THEN WE GIVE NOTICE TO THE ADJACENT MERCHANTS THAT WE'RE GONNA START THIS.
UH, I'M GLAD HE BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE THERE IS A LEGAL, UH, NOTICE REQUIREMENT THAT WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THAT WARRANT ANALYSIS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT UNTIL WE HAVE THE CONTRACT APPROVED.
HAS NEGOTIATION OR DISCUSSION BEEN O UH, OPENED UP BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND YOUR STAFF FOR, UH, FOR FIVE FOR PORTAL BREWER CONNECTION? UM, YES.
I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR QUITE A WHILE.
AND JUST TO GIVE A A A QUICK RECAP.
WE HAD PLACED THIS PROJECT ON HOLD WHEN WE REALIZED THAT THE, UH, THE BREWER, ROUNDABOUT BREWER, RANGER ROUNDABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE DESIGN FOR THAT PROJECT WOULD IMPACT THIS PROJECT, THE PORTAL BREWER CONNECTION.
AND SO WE NEEDED TO MOVE THAT DESIGN FORWARD FAR, FAR ENOUGH TO GET THE, THE TECHNICAL DESIGN OFF OF THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT.
SO WE ARE AT A POINT OF, UH, KURT WILL BE, UH, WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THIS AREA, UH, HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, UH, IN AN EFFORT TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
AND THIS IS THE DIAGRAM ON THE LEFT MAYOR, UM, THAT'S THE, UM, EMPLOYEE ACCESS AS PART OF THAT PROJECT.
SO THAT WAS REALLY THE FACILITATING THE CONVERSATION DISCUSSIONS.
AND, AND WE MIGHT POINT OUT, SORRY, I KEEP JUMPING IN, BUT IN THE LAST, UH, SIM MEETING THAT WE HAD, KURT HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS SOME LEVEL OF AGREEMENT AND, AND, UH, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO PUT IT ON RECORD THAT WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO HAD TO, HAD TO DO WITH WHAT HE JUST POINTED OUT THERE.
IT WASN'T THAT WE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CONCEPT OR THE DESIGN OF THE PORTAL BREWER CONNECTION.
IT WAS JUST THE LITTLE PIECE OF IN CONCEPT HOW THEIR DRIVEWAY WOULD CONNECT TO THE BREWER RANGER ROUNDABOUT THAT, AND THAT WAS A VERBAL AGREEMENT THAT HE WAS REFERRING TO.
AND THAT CAME FROM ONE OF THE MEETINGS THAT HE HAD.
AND SO BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY HAD TO BE, UH, MOVED FARTHER SOUTH ALONG BREWER, IT WAS IN CONFLICT WITH THE ALIGNMENT OF THE PROPOSED ROUNDABOUT.
AND THAT WAS THE CRUTCH OF THE CONVERSATION.
COULD I, I TEND TO BE A SIMPLER PERSON AT TIMES AND ONGOING DISCUSSIONS DOESN'T REALLY TELL ME WHETHER I SHOULD BE HOPEFUL OR NOT HOPEFUL.
I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A, A KEY PROJECT IN OUR, OUR ANALYSIS OF TRAFFIC OF AN IMPACTFUL PROJECT.
SO ONGOING DISCUSSIONS CAN GO ON UNTIL I'M LONG GONE ON THIS COUNCIL, HOW ARE WE DOING? WHAT'S THE REAL RIGHT.
CAN WE DISCUSS THAT? NOW THIS PROJECT IS, IS DEFINITELY PART OF, UH, PART OF WHAT WE'RE NO, AS FAR AS THE NEGOTIATION AND DISCUSSION.
AND CAN WE LEGALLY DISCUSS THAT OR SHOULD WE, I THINK WE CAN GIVE A HIGH LEVEL, UM, FEEDBACK ON, ON WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND KURT, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN.
I JUST, UH, FOR YOUR, UH, COUNCILMAN FURMAN, I WROTE A LETTER IN RESPONSE TO A LOT OF INQUIRIES FROM THE LOCAL MERCHANTS.
I HAVE THAT TO, UM, LEGAL, KURT AND ANDY TO RES UH, FORMALLY RESPOND AS ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT ANNETTE HAD WITH THEM AS WELL.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW WHEN I PUT OPEN DISCUSSIONS IN THIS SLIDE.
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SO, SO BACK TO COUNCILOR FURMAN'S, UH, QUESTION.WE, WE ARE IN OPEN DISCUSSIONS AND, UH, JUST FROM A HIGH LEVEL, I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE MOVING IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST I CAN SAY ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.
NOTHING, NOTHING'S BEEN FINALIZED OR, OR FULLY AGREED TO IF AND WHEN IT WA WAS GOING TO BE SOMETHING TO BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL, MOST LIKELY FOR AGREEMENT.
AND, AND I REPEAT, IT'S ALL BEEN VERBAL.
THERE'S NOTHING IN WRITING OTHER THAN WE'RE CORRESPONDING ON QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS, UM, BETWEEN BOTH PARTIES.
ANDY OR KURT, DO YOU HAVE A CAMERA OR WILL YOU HAVE A CAMERA SET UP ON THE CHANEL ROUNDABOUT ANY TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT, THAT, THAT MONITORS? I KNOW YOU HAVE AT THE Y WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND THE CROSSWALK, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
BUT IN MANY OF MY TRAVELS DURING HIGH PEAK TIMES, I GET STOPPED BEFORE THE STEAD ROUNDABOUT OR I'LL PULL OFF IN FRONT OF THE RUG SHOP AND I'LL WATCH MM-HMM.
AND I SEE A LOT OF CARS COMING OUT OF KAK AND GOING TO THE ROUNDABOUT, AND THAT'S BLOCKING UP EITHER UP COOKS HILL OR JUST SOUTHBOUND 1 79.
SO IF YOU HAD THAT, UH, RECORDED SOMEWHERE OR ANOTHER AS PROOF THAT THIS WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
SO CURRENTLY WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE IS A TEMPORARY CAMERA, AND I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE PERMANENT CAMERA IN PLACE, IT'LL BE A-P-T-Z-A POINT, TILT ZOOM, AND WITH THE MULTIPLE ZOOM, UM, OPTIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE WITH THAT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT'S, THAT, THAT IS ONE OF THE ANGLES THAT WE WANT TO CAPTURE.
SO YES, THERE'S NOTHING THAT COULD BE DONE AS A TEMPORARY CAMERA OVER A COURSE OF A, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, IT'S A BIG DEAL.
OKAY, THEN DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
WHAT WE WENT THROUGH TO GET WHAT WE HAVE NOW WAS WOULD BE, UH, WOULD IMPRESS YOU.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOU PUT UP A PEDESTAL, YOU KNOW, A TRIPOD AND A CAMERA AND LEAVE IT THERE FOR A WEEKEND.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.
IT, IT'S MORE, YEAH, IT'S A LOT MORE INVOLVED.
I JUST THINK THAT THE DATA THAT YOU CAPTURE MIGHT BE REALLY EYEOPENING TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
SO BECAUSE THEY EVENTUALLY JUST A CROSSWALK AND THAT IT'S WAY MORE THAN JUST A CROSSWALK.
THERE'S SO MANY OTHER PINCH POINTS IN THAT SMALL AREA.
NOT TO MENTION THE, UH, ENTRANCE AND EXITS OF THE BLOCK OF PARKING.
I, I WOULD SAY TO YOUR POINT, UM, COLLECTING THAT DATA IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE, WE WANT TO, WHEN YOU'RE READY, BE ABLE TO DO.
UM, THEN THERE'S THE SIM FIVE EIGHT.
THIS IS THE, UH, PART OF THAT PORTAL CONNECTION.
IT, THIS IS, UH, I WANTED TO SHARE THIS BREWER ROAD CONNECTION AND, UM, HOW THE SUCCESS OF, OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN, UM, IN JUST SINCE WE'VE INSTALLED THIS.
UM, REMEMBER THIS WAS OUR AGREEMENT WITH LOS ADOS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO DEMONSTRATE HOW A BREWER CONNECTION, UM, THROUGH PORTAL, THROUGH THESE, UM, MERCHANTS AND RESORTS DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
UM, WE'VE SET UP A TRACKING, UM, VOLUME, UH, METERING AND, UH, WE, WE, WE LOOKED AT WHAT THE DATA IS NOW IT'S ABOUT 10 VEHICLES A DAY, A MONTH INCREASE IN USE, WHICH DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A WHOLE LOT, BUT IT, IT, IT IS WHEN YOU ADD TO THE OVERALL TOTAL.
BUT, BUT SOME OF THE PEAK THAT WE'VE SEEN IS, REMIND ME IT'S LIKE 60 VEHICLES A DAY.
60 TO 80 VEHICLES USE IT A DAY.
BUT, AND SO FOR EACH MONTH THAT IT'S HERE, WE'RE SEEING AN INCREASE OF 10 VEHICLES PER DAY USE IT.
UM, AND OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, UH, UH, RESORT OWNERS, THEIR EMPLOYEES REALLY APPRECIATE IT ALL THAT.
AND NOW IT'S COMING TO THE POINT THAT THEIR VISITORS ARE NOW KNOWING IT AND USE IT, THE RETURN GUESTS THAT THEY'RE SEEING.
PLEASE COULD I FOLLOW UP ON WHAT KURT'S SAYING THERE? UH, JUST RECENTLY I WAS USING IT MYSELF AND JUST TO HIS POINT, UM, A CAR AHEAD OF ME WAS FROM OKLAHOMA.
AND SO THAT STOOD OUT TO ME AS THIS IS NOT JUST LOCALS THAT ARE USING THIS.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOME OF THE SIGNAGE THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE THERE ON THE TIES.
OBVIOUSLY THE SIGNS ARE EFFECTIVE.
DID ANDY, DID WE HAVE, OR KURT, DID WE HAVE A HOPE FOR VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THAT GATE WHEN WE APPROVED THE PROJECT? AND HOW ARE WE DOING RELATIVE TO THAT ONE? TWO, HAVE WE DONE ANYTHING TO FACILITATE BIKES OR, OR PS THROUGH THAT GATE? WE HAVE FIXED THE SENSOR AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SPECIFICALLY WORKS ON BIKES OR NOT, BUT I KNOW THAT LOSA RETOS
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IS LOOKING TO PUT IN AN ADDITIONAL PED BIKE GATE.UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT ON THAT.
YEAH, WE, WE MENTION IT TO 'EM.
THEY STILL SAY THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT.
THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP.
THAT'S THE CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH THEM OF HAVING THEIR OWN P UH, BIKE ACCESS SEPARATE FROM THIS OF WHERE THEY, UM, THEY HAVE A DAMAGED PERIMETER WALL THAT THEY TOOK DOWN A TREE AND THAT WAS A LOCATION THEY WERE LOOKING AT CUTTING THAT OUT AND HAVING A, A SEPARATE ACCESS ON THIS AS WELL, THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT DOING THEIR OWN, UH, PUSH BUTTON GATE.
SO PADS AND BIKE BITES CAN USE THIS.
I'VE MENTIONED TO THEM, IT'S NOT PREFERRED, IT'S UP TO THEM, IT'S THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY.
'CAUSE THEY JUST, SAFETY WISE, WE JUST DON'T LIKE PS AND BEDS, PEDESTRIAN.
AND I'M THINKING OF MYSELF OR MY WIFE AND KIDS, THEY WOULD HAVE THE KID JUMP THE WALL, PUSH THE BUTTON AND GO IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
SO IT'S PREFERRED THEY WOULD HAVE A SEPARATE INGRESS EGRESS FOR PETS AND BIKES THAN THIS.
AND I THINK WE MISSED YOUR FIRST QUESTION.
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS IT AGAIN? SO I, I INCREASING AT 10 VEHICLES A DAY PER MONTH ON SOME KIND OF TREND OVERALL, 60 TO 80 A DAY.
WHAT WAS OUR GOAL? IT WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND 50 OR 60.
DO YOU REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I LOOKED AT WAS 80? WAS IT 80? SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS, IT STARTED AT 40 AS THE FIRST TIME WE DID.
AND THEN IT WAS 50 AND THEN IT WAS 60.
AND SO THE LAST TIME I LOOKED OVER A 30 DAY PERIOD, THIS WAS ABOUT THE AVERAGE AND WHAT WAS OUR GOAL? OUR HOPE FOR SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING OUR GOAL WAS 80? NO, I THINK OUR GOAL, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU WOULD KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT.
THE ORIGINAL DESIGN'S NOT REMEMBERING UNFORTUNATELY.
I, I'LL, I'LL RE-LOOK AT THAT.
I, I WOULD THINK THAT IT'S OPEN-ENDED.
NO, THERE, THERE WAS A GOAL THOUGH FOR IT.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE A PERCENTAGE THEN OF THE PARKING OF IN.
IT HAS TO DO WITH VEHICLES MAKING THAT U-TURN IN THE HILL ROUNDABOUT.
VICE MAYOR, I'M JUST CURIOUS, DO WE HAVE A STRATEGY ABOUT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO ALKA HOCKEY FROM THE RANGER PARK? YES.
SO THE FIVE D THE RANGER BREWER ROUNDABOUT IS GONNA BE INCLUDED, A SHARED USE PATH THAT'S GONNA CONNECT ALL THE WAY FROM 89.
IT'LL THEN CONNECT ALONG THE RANGER ROAD TO CONNECT TO 1 79.
BUT THOSE ARE THE OPEN DISCUSSIONS WE WANT WITH THE RESORT, UM, THE MERCHANTS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE HUB AND WITH THE EXCHANGE, WE, WE WANT PED ACCESS ALONG THIS WHOLE CORRIDOR AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT IS THAT WE'VE, UM, PRETTY MUCH AGREED TO OR SAID IT'S THE, THE, THE PORTAL LANE WOULD BE ONE WAY BRIDGE OVER SOLDIER'S WASH WITH THAT.
WE'D LIKE TO ADD ANOTHER, UM, SHARED USE PATH THAT'S ON THE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS TO US.
IT WOULD BE VERY VALUABLE TO THE MERCHANTS AND THERE TO HAVE THAT MUCH ACCESS.
IT WOULD, I THINK ESPECIALLY WITH THE FUTURE HUB AND THE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN FORCE AND SO ON.
SO TO US IT'S A VERY VALUABLE ASSET TO THEM.
SO, UM, BUT THAT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED.
YES, HOLLY, ARE YOU DONE? YEAH.
YEAH, THAT'S OFFICIAL ACCESS, BUT THERE'S AN UNOFFICIAL, THERE'S A SOCIAL PATH RIGHT NOW IN THE VERY CORNER OF THE PROPERTY OF THE PARK THAT GOES INTO THE EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT JUST TO LOCK A POCKET.
IT TAKES YOU TO THE LITTLE FOOTBRIDGE OVER THE DRAINAGE, UM, UM, CONDUIT.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD MAKE THAT ACTUALLY AN OPEN, BECAUSE THAT'S A GREAT LOCATION FOR DIRECT ACCESS INTO THAT PARK.
I THINK IT WOULD HELP THE PARK A LOT.
UH, IN TERMS OF ENLIVENING IT, IS THERE ANY THOUGHT TO PURSUE THAT? YES, MA'AM.
UM, THAT WOULD BE, IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT'S PART OF THE OPEN DISCUSSIONS.
WE WOULD TRY TO ALWAYS INCLUDE, UM, INGRESS EGRESS ACCESS FROM ANY ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE PUBLIC PARK.
AND WE'RE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH EL PORTEL AND STEVE EGNER AND LOS ADOS.
SO YES, THAT'S, AND WE HOPE THAT'S PART OF THE AGREEMENT 'CAUSE THEY'RE REDOING THEIR PARKING LOT AND HOW TO GET PS FROM THERE, UM, TO THE PARK AND SO ON.
UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR BIG EVENTS, IT ALLOWS MORE PEOPLE THEN TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT'S, SO THERE'S ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR EVENTS THAT'S LOCK POCKET.
THERE'S ADDITIONAL PARKING AT THE PARK NOW AT AGREED.
AND IT'S PUBLIC PARKING AND IF IT WAS SOMETHING OVERFLOW AND IT GOT ABUSED, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD TALK ABOUT.
BUT THOSE ARE ALL THE OPEN AGREEMENT TO, TO REALLY ACTIVATE THE SPACE AND IT MAKE IT INVITING FOR, UM,
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THE EMPLOYEES, THE USERS, THE VISITORS ALIKE.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, GO AHEAD.
UM, NOW WE'RE AT THE BREWER RANGER INTERSECTION.
UM, SO THESE ARE ALL SIMILARLY TIED.
UH, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE EMPLOYEE ACCESS WAS THE REASON WHY WE HAD TO, UM, REALLY ENGAGE ON THE RIGHT, UH, FIGURE EXHIBIT.
YOU SEE THAT LITTLE CONNECTION IN THERE.
THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA T TIE INTO THE ROUNDABOUT.
UM, OF ALSO SHOWS THERE'S AN EXTENSION ALONG BREWER.
UM, THAT'S WITH OUR ONGOING AGREEMENTS WITH THE UM, MIA MOORE, UM, MERCHANT AS WELL OF TRYING TO GET THAT SHARED USE PATH CONNECTIVITY WITH THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT.
UM, WE'RE GETTING, UM, SURVEY DATA WITH THAT AND IMPROVE ALL OF THE, UH, NUISANCE FLOODING ON BREWER THAT HAPPENED TO THAT HISTORICAL BUILDING.
SO ALL THESE ARE ADDED BENEFITS WE'RE USING TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
AND FOR THE WHOLE FUNCTION OF THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, WE'RE AT 90%.
I, I PUT THAT, UH, ANDREW MENTIONED A HUNDRED PERCENT ONLY BECAUSE WE ADDED THIS OTHER SECTION OF THE SHARED USE PATH FROM THE LOS, UM, PHILO'S, THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT ALONG BREWER.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO WORK WITH THE DESIGN TEAM TO GET IT A 10 FOOT WIDE.
'CAUSE THERE IS A, UM, LITTLE RESTRICTIONS WITH THE, UM, TOPOGRAPHY, A CUT SLOPE THERE.
UM, THE LAND ACQUISITION, ALL I HAVE TO DO IS FINISH UP, UM, SOME SURVEY TO, TO FINAL OUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, FOR WITH THE ADJACENT LANDOWNER.
UM, AGAIN, YOU HEARD FROM ANDREW THAT THE FEMA FLOOD PLANES DONE.
WE STILL GOTTA SUBMIT THAT TO FEMA 'CAUSE WE GOT A LETTER OF MAP REVISION.
SO WE'RE REALLY MOVED ON ALONG.
AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY NOW THAT WE'RE AT A POINT WE CAN INTERCHANGE THESE PROJECTS OF THE BREWER RANGER WITH THE FOREST, UM, 89 A PROJECTS BASED UPON CONSTRUCTION FUNDING.
AND THAT WAY WE CAN UTILIZE THE CONCEPTS OF THE CONNECTIVITY AND IF, AND UH, CONGESTION, UH, MITIGATION WITH EITHER OF THESE PROJECTS IF WE'RE NOT BUILDING THEM AT THE SAME TIME.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE DIRECTION THE COUNCIL'S GIVEN US.
SO I THINK THIS GIVES US A LOT MORE OPTIONS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
THAT WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU FOLKS.
CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION REAL QUICK? SURE.
I THINK WE'VE ADEQUATELY COVERED THE 89 A FOREST ROUNDABOUT.
UM, AND THEN THE NEXT THING WE HAD FOR, UH, FOR THIS SECTION WAS THE BIKE AND PED.
THE MAIN REASON WE INCLUDED THAT WAS THERE WAS A DESIRE TO REDISCUSS PRIORITIZING, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THAT DURING OUR PRIORITIZING, UH, MEETING COMING UP.
SHE, THESE PASS IS GOING TO BE ON THE PRIORITY SETTINGS RIGHT? ON THE, FOR THE RETREAT.
YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION THEN.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TOO.
WE DID HAVE SANDY HERE
IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, CAN, CAN YOU REINSERT THIS SLIDE WHEN WE'RE DOING THE PRIORITIES? 'CAUSE YOU BET.
THIS IS A ACTUALLY A REALLY NICE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THEM ALL AND HAS IT HANDY.
OKAY, SO SO I THINK THAT BRINGS US TO LANCE, DOESN'T IT? YEAH, PRETTY MUCH.
THIS IS WHAT WE, YEAH, THE NEXT ONE WAS JUST THE FOREST RANGER ROUNDABOUT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT, UM, THAT WE'VE KIND OF, AND NOW WE HAVE OUR, UM, SHARED USE PATH THAT WE'LL BE SHARING WITH THE PRIORITIZATION, RIGHT? WE'LL BE AT THE PRIORITY SETTING AND THEN IN DECEMBER THE NEXT IS THAT, SO YES, WE'RE NOW AT, UM, WITH LANCE, WE WANT TO ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
WE WROTE UP, UP ON THE AGENDA BILL.
WE TRIED TO COVER UP AS MUCH AS THE HISTORICAL TO THE PRESENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK, UM, SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
I'D LIKE TO START OFF WITH LANCE.
UH, SO BEING YOUR BRAND NEW WITHIN TWO MONTHS I THINK, UH OH, THERE'S NOT, YOU'VE EVALUATED A LOT SO FAR.
I HAVE BEEN DOWNLOADING A LOT.
I'M JUST WONDERING HIGH LEVEL, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE CONDITION OF PARKING? YOU KNOW, KEEPING IT HIGH LEVEL, I DON'T WANT YOU TO DIG DOWN BECAUSE HIGH LEVEL, I THINK YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UM, NOT JUST THE PARKING, BUT THE MULTI-USE PATH, THE TRANSIT.
SO I DEFINITELY THINK EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE COMING TOGETHER, UH, ONCE THE GARAGE IS DONE, BEING ABLE TO GET PEOPLE FROM THERE WITH SOME TYPE OF A BUS CIRCULATOR.
I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THE PARK ONCE CONCEPT.
I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO PROMOTE THAT.
BUT, UH, ALRIGHT, THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR
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FOR, FOR THIS ONE POINT.I'LL GO ON TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO, YES.
YOU HAVE AN IMPRESSIVE BACKGROUND.
THANK WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD.
UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION IN THE AGENDA, BILL.
UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL REFERENCES UNDER THE PARKING MANAGEMENT GUIDANCE SYSTEM.
THERE ARE AT LEAST 1, 2, 3, 4 REFERENCES TO WORKING ON A PROCUREMENT P PROCESS TO SELECT A CONSULTANT FOR THE VARIOUS THINGS FOR THE GUIDANCE SYSTEM, CORRECT.
THE PARKING FEES, THE CONSOLIDATION, AND THE PERMIT PARKING.
I I, I'M SORRY IF I MISSED SOMETHING, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GOING THAT ROUTE.
ARE ARE WE LOOKING FOR A CONSULTANT AND WHAT WOULD THAT ACTUALLY DO? AND, AND WHAT I, I JUST, I THINK I NEED MORE INFORMATION ON THIS IF YOU COULD.
WELL, I THINK BRINGING IN THE GUIDANCE SYSTEM WOULD PROBABLY BE THE PRIME EXAMPLE.
UM, I'M NOT A TECHNOLOGY GURU.
UM, I I HAVE TO LEAN ON PEOPLE.
I HAVE SOME FRIENDS OUT THERE THAT KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT TECHNOLOGY THAN I DO.
AND, UH, I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THEM.
I GOOGLED PARKING GUIDANCE SYSTEMS ON GOOGLE AND I GOT A PAGE AND A HALF DOWN AND THAT ALREADY HAD 14 DIFFERENT COMPANIES.
SO IT'S REALLY TRYING TO HAVE SOMEBODY HELP STREAMLINE WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, UM, WHEN WE GET AGGRESSIVE TIMELINES.
UM, MAYBE I COULD GIVE A SURE A LITTLE HISTORY ON THIS TOO.
SO JUST GOING BACK TO ALMOST EXACTLY A YEAR AGO WHEN WE HAD OUR KIND OF OUR FINAL MEETING, UM, REGARDING THE REASSESSMENT OF UPTOWN PARKING, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WAS THAT WE NEEDED TO GET A PARKING MANAGER.
AND AT THE TIME, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE.
WE SAID LET'S TALK ABOUT IT DURING THE PRIORITY SETTING AND THE UPCOMING BUDGET PROCESS.
SO AS THAT EVOLVED, IT BECAME APPARENT TO US THAT IT WAS KIND OF, IT WAS KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE NEEDED IN THIS POSITION.
ONE WAS THAT WE NEEDED A BUNCH OF PLANNING EFFORTS COMPLETED, AND ANOTHER WAS THAT EVENTUALLY WE WOULD NEED A PARKING MANAGER THAT WOULD, WOULD RUN THE OPERATIONS OF THE GARAGE, THAT WOULD OVERSEE THE, THE DATA, THE BASICALLY THE THINGS THAT WE HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO MANAGE.
WELL IN THE PAST, YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW UPTOWN PARKING FEE COLLECTIONS ARE STILL ON THE OLD SYSTEM.
AND IF YOU GO BACK TO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT, UM, JUST IN THE LAST BUDGET CYCLE, KAREN TALKED ABOUT HOW WE DIDN'T HAVE SOMEONE THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO OVERSEEING THE DATA COLLECTION AND KIND OF THE, THE MANAGEMENT OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EQUIPMENT AS WELL AS THE CONTRACT WITH THE VENDOR, ALL OF THAT SORT OF STUFF THAT WENT INTO THE FEE, UH, PROGRAM.
SO THE INTENT WITH HIM IS TO OVERSEE THOSE PROGRAMS TO MANAGE THE CONTRACTS AND, AND MANAGE THAT MOVING FORWARD.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE, WE REALIZED THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO GET BOTH A PLANNER AND A OPERATIONS GUY.
WHAT WE GOT WITH LANCE IS AN OPERATIONS GUY.
SO AS WE WERE BUILDING THIS FISCAL YEAR BUDGET, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS WORKING WITH OUR PLANNING STAFF AND HAVING THEM ASSIST WITH THESE PLANNING EFFORTS.
WELL, AS IT TURNED OUT, WE'RE NOW IN THAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE DOWN, WE'RE GONNA BE SOON DOWN TO PLANNERS AND ONE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE UNDERSTAFFED TO THE POINT WHERE IF THEY HAD A SENIOR PLANNER AVAILABLE, WE WOULDN'T NEED THIS CONSULTING.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT AVAILABLE.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT WE'RE CONTENDING WITH, IS NEEDING THAT ASSISTANCE WITH GETTING THESE PLANNING EFFORTS COMPLETED.
NOW, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT INDIVIDUALLY THESE ARE NOT BIG EFFORTS.
AND SO CERTAINLY ON THE SURFACE, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING LANCE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COMPLETE ON HIS OWN.
HE DOES HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH SOME OF THESE CONCEPTS AND THE ACADEMICS BEHIND THEM, BUT COLLECTIVELY GETTING THEM DONE BY THE TIME THE GARAGE IS OPERATIONAL AND NOT HAVING OUR PLANNING STAFF THERE TO ASSIST US WITH THIS DOESN'T MAKE THAT FEASIBLE.
SO GETTING THESE SMALL CONTRACTS IN PLACE, OR WHAT I ENVISION IS, IS LIKELY ONE CONTRACT THAT HAS THESE, UH, AS YOU POINTED OUT, MULTIPLE SCOPES INVOLVED,
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IS THE WAY THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH GETTING THIS DONE ON TIME.WHAT'S THE, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ROUGHLY IS THE COST OF THIS CONSULTANT? 'CAUSE I THINK WE WANTED TO BRING THIS IN-HOUSE, UM, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS OR REFRESH MY MEMORY ON THE DAY IS HERE, BUT, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT WE WANTED THIS IN-HOUSE TO TRY AND GET AWAY FROM THAT AS BEING AN OUTSIDE PLANNING CONSULTANT FUNCTION.
RIGHT? SO, UM, THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
SO COST WISE, AND THEN NUMBER TWO IS, I ALSO RECALL LAST YEAR AND YEAH, IT'S JUST ABOUT A YEAR WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THAT IT WAS, IT BECAME CLEAR THAT SOME RESIDENTS HAD DONE THE BACKGROUND WORK ON THEMSELVES BECAUSE THE PARKING GUIDANCE SYSTEM COMPANIES DID SO MUCH OF THE SUPPORT WORK.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S WHY I, THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF WHAT SOLD US, OR AT LEAST ME AND I, I SEE NODS HAPPENING AROUND HERE ON WHY WE SHOULD PURSUE THIS.
SO I I AM, I'M SEEING A DISCONNECT A LITTLE BIT HERE.
BECAUSE ALSO WHERE'S IT, CAN IT HELP WITH A TECHNOLOGY? THEY, THEY CAN, BUT THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT, SO IF WE TAKE THE ONE, THE ONE COM ONE ITEM, I GUESS I MIGHT SAY THE PARKING MANAGEMENT TECHNOLOGY, THIS IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT'S MOVING QUICKLY.
IT, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A SPECIALTY THAT OUR IT FOLKS HAVE.
AND YOU KNOW, LANCE HAS BEEN HERE NOT A LONG TIME, BUT HE'S BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH THAT HE'S ALREADY TALKING WITH VENDORS WITH OTHER, UH, OTHER PARKING MANAGERS AND, AND NOT ONLY ARIZONA, BUT IN OTHER STATES EVEN.
AND HE WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT'S, THAT'S MOVING QUICKLY.
SO GOING AND TALKING TO ONE PERSON OR ONE VENDOR ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE IS NOT GONNA GIVE US WHAT WE NEED TO SELECT THE CORRECT, UH, EQUIPMENT OR PROGRAM.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO WHAT WE WERE SAYING LAST YEAR.
UH, WHILE, WHILE A RESIDENT CAN REACH OUT TO A VENDOR, WE CAN ALSO REACH OUT TO A VENDOR AND YOU'RE GONNA GET A PERSPECTIVE, BUT THAT'S NOT TYPICALLY THE WAY WE SELECT, UH, EQUIPMENT OR SOFTWARE FOR THE CITY.
SO WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU A LOT OF TIME TO AN, TO RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS, BUT BACK TO, DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER IN YOUR HEAD OR, OR WHERE YEAH, SORRY.
I ONLY ANSWERED ONE OF YOUR ITEMS THERE.
UM, I ONLY HAVE A VERY HIGH LEVEL, UM, ESTIMATE IN MY MIND.
AND, AND, UH, UNDER A HUNDRED THOUSAND IS, IS WHAT'S BEEN IN MY MIND FOR ALL OF THESE.
AND IT STILL, IT'S ANOTHER POSITION BASICALLY.
WELL, IT'S JUST A LITTLE CONTRARY TO WHAT I HAD EXPECTED.
IF I COULD PLEASE GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHEN I WAS KIND OF HIT COLD WITH THIS VERY RECENTLY, AND SO I ALSO DIDN'T FULLY UNDER, UH, DIDN'T REMEMBER THIS, SO I HAD TO GO BACK AND REFRESH MY MIND AS WELL.
UM, IT WAS THE INTENT TO BRING IN ONE OF OUR, ONE OF OUR, UH, PLANNING STAFF, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE.
WE HAVE SALARY SAVINGS OUT THERE DUE TO THOSE VACANCIES.
AND SO I, I, I'M, YOU JUST CAN'T NOT CONSIDER THAT WITH, WITH THE CONSIDERATION OF THE COST BECAUSE LIKE WHAT I SAID BEFORE, IF, IF I HAD ONE OF OUR SENIOR STAFF ABLE TO ASSIST WITH THIS, I FEEL LIKE THEY COULD, THEY COULD GET IT DONE.
ANDY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
SO THESE ARE ALL SHORT SPAN POSITIONS.
THERE'S A CONSULTANT, WE PAY THE CONSULTANT TO DO THE JOB AND THEN THE JOB IS DONE.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS SO IMPORTANT WHEN WE SAID WE WANTED TO HAVE THE PARKING MANAGER HERE IN PLACE TO OVERSEE THESE EFFORTS.
WELL, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT, IS THAT HE WOULD BE THE CONTINUATION OF BEING INVOLVED IN, IN LEADING THESE EFFORTS AND HAVING THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE MOVING FORWARD.
I JUST, AND MY QUESTION WAS TO CONFIRM THAT THESE POSITIONS WOULDN'T BE LONG TERM AND THEY COME UP WITH A PLAN.
THE CONSULTANTS LANCE WOULD A CONSULTANT.
THESE ARE SMALL CONTRACTS, SHORT DURATION.
BUT THEY, THEY DO, I THINK IT'S VALUABLE WHAT LANCE SAID THEY DO BRING, WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING TO BRING IN, BRING IN SOME EXPERTISE THAT, THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN HOUSE AS WELL AND WE WOULDN'T NEED AFTER THEY'RE DONE.
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OKAY.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON YEAH, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I'M VERY LEERY.
THEY NEVER TURN OUT TO BE SHORT TERM CONTRACTS.
WHERE DO YOU, WELL, LET ME CLARIFY THAT.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE SELECTION PROCESS, THAT'S SHORT TERM WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PARKING MANAGEMENT, THAT'S LONG TERM.
WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A SERVICE CONTRACT WITH THAT, AND THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT'S GONNA BE YEARS THAT THAT'LL BE IN PROCESS.
IT'S VERY, THE PARKING MANAGEMENT EQUIPMENT WILL COME WITH A SERVICE CONTRACT, A MAINTENANCE, A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT FOR THE EQUIPMENT.
IT'LL PARTLY BE MAINTENANCE, IT'LL BE SOFTWARE, UM, THE LICENSE.
I MEAN, LANCE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOTTEN INTO IT FAR ENOUGH TO KNOW THE INS AND OUTS.
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN FAR ENOUGH INTO THE NUMBERS.
UM, BUT I'M LOOKING AT EVERYTHING FROM, I KNOW THAT 11 X HAS BEEN LOOKED AT.
I I WAS IN CALIFORNIA, UH, WENT TO A VENDOR CONFERENCE.
UH, I TALKED WITH THEM, TALKED WITH ANOTHER HALF DOZEN, UH, GROUPS THAT HAVE GUIDANCE SYSTEMS. UM, I'M A, I WAS A LITTLE LEERY OF CAMERAS.
THE TECHNOLOGY HAS INCREASED SO MUCH.
IUI DID A RESEARCH PROJECT WITH, UH, THE FORD MOTOR COMPANY ON, ON CAMERAS AND PARKING LOTS TO DO OCCUPANCY COUNTS AND WE NEVER GOT IT TO WORK.
I DID GET TO SEE TWO DIFFERENT ONES WORK.
UM, THEN YOU STEP INTO WHAT'S THE COST DIFFERENCE.
UM, I KNOW THAT PUTTING IN THE PUCKS IS NOT A CHEAP DEAL.
UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE GONE THROUGH IT ONCE AND IT DIDN'T REALLY WORK THAT WELL.
UM, I THINK 11 X'S EQUIPMENT WILL PROBABLY WORK, BUT LET'S, LET'S TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST COST ANALYSIS THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE RIGHT PRODUCT.
UM, I'M GONNA TRY TO MAKE IT AS SIMPLE ON ON OUR CUSTOMERS AS I CAN.
I THINK THAT'S A SEPARATE ONE OF US.
I'M SORRY, HOLLY STILL HAD THE FLOOR.
UH, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MAINTENANCE OF HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THAT CONTRACTOR THEN BECOMES THE IMPLEMENTATION VENDOR FOR THE SYSTEM AND THEN ON AND ON AND ON.
AND WE NEVER BRING IT IN HOUSE.
WE NEVER DEVELOP THE EXPERTISE OURSELVES.
WE'RE ALWAYS RELIANT ON SOMEBODY ELSE.
WELL, I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.
UH, THAT WASN'T MY INTENT WITH THIS.
UM, WE DID INSTALL THE SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW.
UM, WE'RE CERTAINLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SOMETHING THAT WORKS BETTER.
AND JUST IN THE, THE TALKS I'VE HAD WITH LANCE, I THINK WHAT'S AVAILABLE TODAY WILL BE MUCH EASIER TO MAINTAIN AND EASIER TO INSTALL.
SO, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE INSTALLATION OR EVEN MAINTENANCE REALLY AS WE MAINTAIN, FOR THE MOST PART THE EQUIPMENT WE HAVE NOW SO THAT'S LIKELY SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DO IN HOUSE.
WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING TO REPURPOSE THE EXISTING EQUIPMENT ELSEWHERE.
WHAT EVER HAPPENS OUT THAT WE NEED? BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY MAINTAINING THAT.
IS IT SALVAGEABLE? I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE TECHNOLOGY.
IT'S LIKE YOUR PHONE, AS SOON AS YOU BUY IT AND WALK OUT THE STORE, IT'S ALREADY OUTDATED.
THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE IN THESE PARKING, UH, TECHNOLOGY PARTS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT MAKING A LOT OF THE PARTS ANYMORE.
SO, UH, AT SOME, I THINK WE CAN KEEP A COUPLE RUNNING FOR, FOR A WHILE LONGER.
UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ROB PIECES OFF OF OTHERS TO MAKE MORE.
I, I JUST DON'T WANNA SEE US OUTSOURCE OUR PARKING MANAGEMENT, OUR TIRE PARKING MANAGEMENT, UH, DEVELOPMENT OR SYSTEM.
WE SHOULD, IF IT REQUIRES MORE THAN A PARKING MANAGER, WE SHOULD HIRE PEOPLE AND DO IT IN HOUSE.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE.
INSTEAD OF JUST CONSULTANT AFTER CONSULTANT, AFTER CONSULTANT, WE, WE RELY HEAVILY ON CONSULTANTS.
I UNDERSTAND WHY, BUT LET'S DEVELOP SOME EXPERTISE IN HOUSE AS WELL.
MELISSA, AND THEN KATHY, SO JUST, JUST TO REPEAT FOR CLARIFICATION, THE, UM, HOPE IS THAT AT SOME POINT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FILL THE PLANNING ROLES THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPEN OVER IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
ONE OF THOSE PLANNERS WOULD BE THE PERSON THAT WOULD BE OUR IN-HOUSE EXPERT AROUND ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SAYING TO GET UP AND RUNNING.
WITHOUT THAT PERSON, WE WANNA HIRE A CONSULTANT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING.
IS THAT CORRECT OR ALMOST CORRECT? IT, IT,
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IT IS.I WOULD JUST THROW IN THERE ALSO THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA COMPLETELY EXCLUDE OUR
WE, WE WANT TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THE INFORMATION INTERNAL AS WE CAN, AND MOVING FORWARD, WE WOULD LOOK TO BE ABLE TO BUILD FUTURE TUDIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN-HOUSE.
BECAUSE THAT, THAT LAST POINT IS WHERE I HAVE MY GREATEST CONCERN.
SO I'M, I'M JUST READING YOUR, UM, YOUR DEFINITION, AND I'M PRETENDING FOR A MOMENT THAT IT'S YOUR RFP AROUND PARKING MANAGEMENT GUIDANCE, AND IT TALKS ABOUT CONJUNCTION WITH UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE IMPLEMENTED PRIOR TO THE GARAGE BECOMING OPERATIONAL.
A GOAL IS TO DEVELOP A STREAMLINE SYSTEM USING ONE APP FOR PARKING TRANSIT AND MULTIMODAL TRAVEL.
BUT OVER TIME, THAT'S GONNA CHANGE.
AND WHAT OTHER THINGS THAT I DON'T SEE HERE ARE THINGS LIKE, WHAT ABOUT ALL THE ONE HOUR PARKING WE HAVE, SAY, OVER AT POSSE AND BEING ABLE TO CONTROL THAT AND, YOU KNOW, ALERT OUR, UM, KNOW OUR OFFICERS WHO ARE IN THE FIELD THAT THEY NEED TO GO OUT THERE AND ISSUE TICKETS BECAUSE THAT'S, THEY'RE IN VIOLATION.
I MEAN, THERE'S JUST LIKE ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS THAT MIGHT GO THROUGH THE CRACKS.
THAT, SO THAT'S WOULD BE EASY FOR US HERE ON THE D IS TO SAY, WELL, HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT, THAT'S, THAT'S ITEM NUMBER TWO.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE INTEND TO LOOK AT FEE STRUCTURES CITYWIDE.
YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE DEFINITELY STARTING OFF WITH THE FOCUS ON UPTOWN, BUT OUR INTENT IS TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE CITY WHERE MAYBE AT TRAILHEADS, FOR INSTANCE, WE MIGHT IMPLEMENT A FEE STRUCTURE AS WELL.
I MEAN, I HEARD A RUMOR THAT WE MIGHT IMPLEMENT THEM.
WHY'D YOU START THE RUMOR AGAIN ON PRIVATE PROPERTY? I CERTAINLY DID NOT START THAT RUMOR.
SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE TOOK WHAT I SAID OUTTA CONTEXT.
MAYBE I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THAT CAME FROM, BUT THAT'S VERY NOT TRUE.
SOMEONE IN THE CITY
I HAVE NO IDEA WHO SAID THAT, BUT IT WASN'T ME.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE DEFINITELY INTEND TO, UH, LOOK HOLISTICALLY ACROSS THE CITY AT WHERE WE WOULD IMPLEMENT FEES FOR PARKING.
WELL, IF WE, IF WE THOUGHT THAT, UM, WE WEREN'T GONNA HAVE ENOUGH PLANNERS A YEAR AGO TO DO THIS WORK, SHOULDN'T WE HAVE DONE THIS CONSULTANT LOOKING AND HUNTING BEFORE NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE LOTS OF FLAT LOTS THAT WE COULD HAVE TRIED THIS OUT ON WITH A LOT OF PARKING, YOU KNOW, SORT OF AROUND THE CITY.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE ONE, THE DECISION WAS MADE, NO OFFENSE, LANCE, TO HIRE LANCE WHO IS MORE OF AN OPERATIONS INDIVIDUAL THAN A PLANNING INDIVIDUAL.
THEN WE SUDDENLY SAID, OH, WAIT, NOW WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THIS DONE.
SO I, I'M JUST ASKING FOR SOME CLARITY.
WELL, I GUESS I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UH, THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THERE.
ONE, WE, WE DIDN'T THINK A YEAR AGO THAT WE COULDN'T FILL OUR PLANNING STAFF POSITIONS.
UM, WE HAD EVERY EXPECTATION THAT WE WOULD, AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THIS DONE, IT'S THAT WE NEED ASSISTANCE AND WE WANT TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL EXPERTISE.
THIS IS A BRAND NEW PROGRAM THAT WE'RE SETTING UP FOR THE FIRST TIME.
WE WANT TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.
AND WE WANT TO GET THE ADVISEMENT FROM EXPERTS THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN HOUSE SO THAT WE CAN CARRY THAT INFORMATION INTO THE FUTURE.
AND SO WHEN IS THE, UM, ANTICIPATED, AND I KNOW DATES AND THINGS WILL CHANGE FOR SURE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE UNEXPECTED OR UNINTENDED.
WHEN, WHEN ARE YOU PLANNING ON HAVING THE GARAGE DONE AND OPEN? I BELIEVE LAST, BECAUSE THIS IS FALL OF 25, WHERE YOU SHOULD HAVE THE SCHEDULE WAS SPRING OF 26.
IT'S A LITTLE TIGHT, BUT I, I, I GET WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM.
I, I WANNA SWITCH FOR A SECOND AND I, UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO PARTY ON, ON THIS SIDE, I HAVE A, I HAVE A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I SEE APPARENTLY, LANCE, YOUR NAME IS ASSIGNED TO HERE IS EMPLOYEE PARKING.
UM, STATE IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPING A STRATEGY FOR THE PROCESS.
JUST, JUST MAKING SURE I'M READING YES.
UM, WHAT, FOR ME, WHEN WE DID ALL OF THESE REQUESTS, WHICH INCLUDED BY THE WAY, THE CFA, UM, SORT OF A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO UPTOWN AND TO PARKING IN UPTOWN, TO SAFETY IN UPTOWN TO EVERYTHING IN UPTOWN, WHEN WE APPROVED THE GARAGE, THAT WAS PART OF THE PACKAGE.
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THING THAT SOME OF US ON THE DAAS HAD SAID WAS FIGURING OUT EMPLOYEE PARKING.IT'S REALLY MORE IMPORTANT FOR US TO FIGURE OUT RESIDENT PARKING SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT RESIDENTS HAVE A PLACE TO GO.
AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT STRUGGLING WITH TOURISTS AND WITH EMPLOYEES.
SO I'M LOOKING AROUND THE DICE TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M REMEMBERING THAT CORRECTLY.
ITEM FOUR, WE HAVE RESIDENT PERMIT PARKING FOR THAT.
WE NEED A CONSULTANT, BUT WE DON'T NEED A CONSULTANT FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING.
AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS HEADING, WHY, WHY DOES ONE REQUIRE THE CONSULTANT, BUT ONE DOES THE OTHER ONE DOES NOT.
SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD GIVE TWO THINGS THERE.
ONE, BY SEEING THAT WE'RE BRINGING IN A CONSULTANT, YOU'RE SEEING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE WANTING TO GET THAT DONE.
WE'RE BRINGING HELP TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT DONE.
WITH THE EMPLOYEE PARKING EFFORT, WE WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GONNA REACH OUT TO THESE BUSINESSES AND TRY TO GIVE ASSISTANCE, BUT THEY GOTTA GET ON BOARD.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING LIKE YOUR INITIAL REACTION TO IT.
I WOULD KIND OF FLIP THAT AROUND AND SAY, N NO, WE'VE ACTUALLY HIGHER PRIORITIZED THE RESIDENT PARKING ISSUE BECAUSE WE'RE BRINGING IN ASSISTANCE TO MAKE SURE IT GETS DONE VERSUS POTENTIALLY THE EMPLOYEE.
DID THAT HELP? I'M SORRY, I MISSED, IT'S AN ANSWER, SO I'LL ACCEPT THAT ANSWER.
I ASKED IT, IT WOULD BE FASTER TO HAVE OH, FASTER HAVE IN THE CONSULTANT? YES.
I WANTED TO CHIME RIGHT IN ON, ON THAT, THIS PARTICULAR ANSWER, THINKING CAREFULLY THROUGH HOW TO SAY THE THOUGHTS THAT ARE FLOATING IN MY MIND.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE REACHING OUT TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND TRY TO GET 'EM, YOU KNOW, WILLINGLY PARTICIPATING, BUT THAT I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE'S NOT A SILENT VETO.
THAT IF WE CAN'T, WE STILL NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND COME UP WITH A PLAN.
UM, ANDY, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A, A GOOD JOB OF ARTICULATING, YOU KNOW, WHY YOU BELIEVE A CONSULTANT IS NECESSARY.
UM, I THINK COUNCILOR KINSELLA STARTED OFF VERY WELL WITH EXPRESSING WHY THERE'S HESITATION FROM UP HERE, AND I'M NOT SWAYED AT THIS POINT.
UM, LANCE, YOU HAVE EXCELLENT CREDENTIALS.
I LOOK AT WHAT IS ON HERE AND FOR THE LIFE OF ME, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED A CONSULTANT.
I TRUST THAT YOU COULD DO THIS.
SO WHAT, YOU TALK TO THE VENDORS, YOU LEARN, YOU GET THEIR EXPERTISE WITHOUT PAYING SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO THAT FOR YOU.
I, I, I DON'T WANT TO PAY A CONSULTANT TO LEARN US AND WHAT WE WANT WHEN IT, IT'S YOU.
LIKE, I TRUST YOU CAN DO THIS.
SO I, I JUST DON'T SUPPORT THE, THE NOTION OF HAVING A CONSULTANT.
UM, THIS SEEMS LIKE THIS SHOULD ALL BE WITHIN OUR WHEELHOUSE.
I, YOU KNOW, THE VICE MAYOR TALKED ABOUT HAVING EXPERTISE, BUILDING EXPERTISE, WE'RE GONNA BUILD IT BY YOU DOING IT.
LIKE, I, I DON'T SEE THIS BEING A CRAZY HEAVY LIFT THAT REQUIRES A CONSULTANT.
I MEAN, I JUST DON'T, UM, AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE WILL NEED TO CONSIDER AS WE GO THROUGH BUDGET PRIORITIZATION AND THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE WANNA SPEND OUR MONEY? AND, AND THERE'S TRADE OFFS, RIGHT? AND ONE OF 'EM, YOU CAN TOSS RIGHT BACK MY WAY IS, IS, OKAY, WELL MAYBE IT'S GONNA TAKE LONGER TO GET THIS STUFF DONE.
MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S A DECISION THAT WE WILL CHOOSE TO ALLOW FOR IN THE FUTURE THAT MAYBE SOME THINGS WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA OUTSOURCE EVERYTHING.
BUT, UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT SWAYED FOR, UH, THE NEED FOR A CONSULTANT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK ANNETTE HAD ONE.
UM, IT JUST SORT OF OCCURS TO ME, UM, LISTENING TO THE DIALOGUE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ASKING COUNCIL FOR, YOU KNOW, THE HIGH LEVEL, ARE WE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION? THESE ARE YOUR PRIORITIES, YOUR PROJECTS.
UM, BUT DIRECTING STAFF ON HOW TO DO THEIR JOB IS NOT REALLY THE ROLE OF THE COUNCIL.
THAT'S UP TO ME AND ANDY AND THE STAFF.
IF WE NEED TO KNOW FROM YOU, DO YOU WANT THESE PROJECTS DONE BY THE TIME THE PARKING GARAGE OPENS? AND THEN IT'S UP TO US, I THINK, TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
UM, SO I JUST KIND OF GIVE THAT REFLECTION BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE TOLD ME AT DIFFERENT
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TIMES THAT IF EVER THE COUNCIL IS STARTING TO GET IN THE WEEDS AND START TO ACT AS ADMINISTRATORS INSTEAD OF POLICY MAKERS, I'M SUPPOSED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.UM, AND THIS JUST FEELS LIKE ONE OF THOSE TIMES TO ME.
UM, SO I'M MORE INTERESTED IN KNOWING ARE DO YOU WANT THE PROJECTS DONE BY THE TIME THE PARKING GARAGE OPENS AND CAN WE, YOU KNOW, GO FORTH AND MAKE IT HAPPEN FOR YOU? JUST MY FEEDBACK ON THAT, KATHY.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND I GENERALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT'S NOT SOMEPLACE WHERE WE SHOULD BE STICKING OUR NOSE IN THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS THOUGH, THAT THIS POSITION WAS SUPPORTED FROM THE DAY, SPECIFICALLY UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WOULD REDUCE RELIANCE ON CONSULTANTS.
AND NOW THE POSITION THAT WAS SUPPORTED HAS PRODUCED THE NEED FOR MORE CONSULTANTS.
SO IT'S EXACTLY AGAINST, SO NORMALLY WE WOULDN'T BUT OUR HEADS IN ON THAT, BUT, OKAY.
BUT TO BE FAIR, THE, THE, THE HIRING OF LANCE DID NOT CREATE THE NEED FOR THE CONSULTANTS.
OUR ISSUE IS WE CANNOT FILL OUR VACANT PLANNER POSITIONS.
WE DON'T HAVE INTERNAL CAPACITY TO DO THE PROJECT.
UM, AND STEVE HAS BEEN TRYING AND TRYING, HR HAS BEEN TRYING, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL ROUNDS OF INTERVIEWS WITH POTENTIAL PEOPLE.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE SKILL SETS THAT WE NEED.
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HIRE AN ENTRY LEVEL PLANNER THAT WE CAN TRAIN AND GROW UP INTO THE POSITION, BUT WE ARE NOT GETTING QUALIFIED APPLICANTS FOR SENIOR LEVEL PLANNING, FOR URBAN PLANNING, FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT, UM, THIS TYPE OF WORK REQUIRES.
AND THAT IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE PARKING PROGRAM, ALYSSA.
SO I'M GONNA SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO MY FELLOW COUNSELORS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD ASKED WAS WHETHER OR NOT ONE OF THOSE PLANNING POSITIONS WOULD BE DOING THIS WORK.
THEY WOULD BECOME OUR IN-HOUSE EXPERT.
I THINK THE CRUX OF THE QUESTION FOR COUNCIL IS IF WE ASSUME THEY'RE TELLING US THE TRUTH AND THAT THE FIRST COUNS, THE FIRST PLANNER THAT THEY HIRE WILL BECOME SOMEONE WHO CAN DO THIS KIND OF WORK.
SO WE'RE ASKING THEM TO LOOK FOR SOMEONE WHO THEY THINK CAN DO THIS KIND OF WORK, RIGHT? ASSUMING THEY CAN FIND ONE.
UH, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S AN ASSUMPTION.
AND, AND HOLD ONTO THAT ASSUMPTION, BECAUSE THEN IT BECOMES WHETHER OR NOT WE BELIEVE PUTTING TOGETHER THE PACKAGE AROUND UPTOWN, WHICH WAS TO INCLUDE THIS PARKING TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR US TO HAVE THE PARKING GARAGE AND THE LOTS PAY FOR THEMSELVES, WHICH IS THE FEES THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
AND WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF THE WAY OUR PATTERN WORKS, EVERY PARKING LOT IS GOING TO NEED TO BE FEED IN ORDER FOR, FOR THE GARAGE TO BE SELF SUPPORTED.
PUBLIC PARKING LOTS, PUBLIC, PUBLIC, PUBLIC.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THE PUB PRIVATE CAME FROM, BUT YES, PUBLIC.
I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR FOR THE PUBLIC, ON PUBLIC, PUBLIC PARKING LOTS, CITY OWNED, HOW'S THAT CITY OWNED PARKING LOTS WILL, WE'LL HAVE TO BE FEE MANAGED IF WE AGREE THAT THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND THAT CONSOLIDATION IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO.
WE WANT TO NOT HAVE PEOPLE DRIVING ALL OVER UPTOWN LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO PARK.
WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO FIND WHERE THEY ARE.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I THINK, AS I RECALL WITH MY MEMORY, THAT WITH THE LARGE LOT OFF OF, OF OWENBY AND THE GARAGE, WE CAN CATCH PEOPLE COMING IN FROM EITHER SIDE WHO ARE PLANNING ON COMING INTO UPTOWN AND NOT PASSING THROUGH OUR CITY.
AND SO THAT'S, TO ME, WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I THOUGHT THE GARAGE WAS INTERESTING.
ONE, ONE OF MANY REASONS, BUT ONE OF THE REASONS, AND SO I, I NEED FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SAY IF THAT'S TRUE, DO WE AS THE COUNCIL STILL AGREE TO THE CITY MANAGER'S POINT? DO WE STILL AGREE THAT FIGURING OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO WAY FIND AND WAY SIGN THESE PARKING SPACES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER OR NOT WE BELIEVE UNDERSTANDING HOW TO GET FEES SET UP THAT WILL COVER THE COST OF ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, AND WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT THE CONSOLIDATION OF THAT PARKING TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE GARAGE OPENS, THEN WE HAVE TWO DECISIONS.
THE ANSWER IS YES, WE WANT IT, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THE CONSULTANT UNTIL THEY HIRE THE PLANNER WHO CAN REPLACE THE CONSULTANT AND CARRY THIS FORWARD.
OR DO WE BELIEVE THAT HAVING THE PLANNER IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING AND WE DON'T START WORK UNTIL THAT PLANNER IS IN PLACE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE'LL HAVE OUR IN-HOUSE KNOWLEDGE.
SO THAT'S THE WAY I, I SEE THE QUESTION BEFORE THE DAIS AND, AND CITY MANAGER, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I HAVE, HAVE MISSTATED THAT.
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NO, I, I THINK THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT COMMENT.UM, I FEEL LIKE THE STAFF HAS PUT FORWARD THEIR BEST FOOT IN, UM, EARNEST AND IN GOOD FAITH.
I FEEL LIKE YOU CAN TRUST THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, ON TRYING TO MEET THE GOAL OF WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD WAS THE EXPECTATION OF THE COUNCIL.
THESE THINGS NEED TO BE IN PLACE BEFORE THE PARKING GARAGE IS OPEN.
UM, SO, SO LEMME JUST JUMP IN AND SAY, I, I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE SAID.
AND I DO BELIEVE IF THE ONLY WAY WE CAN GET THERE RIGHT NOW IS VIA CONSULTANT, NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT, BUT TECHNICALLY THE FUNDING OF THE CONSULTANT IS THE FUNDING THAT WOULD PAY FOR THE INDIVIDUAL WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE.
RIGHT? THAT WAS, THAT WAS CLEAR.
SO, SO I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS ONLY FOR THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN THEY GET THEIR PLANNER IN PLACE, THAT PLANNER GETS UP TO SPEED AND THAT THEN BECOMES INTERNAL KNOWLEDGE.
I'D LIKE TO JUMP IN HERE AND AG I AGREE WITH YOU.
UM, AND I, I THINK I SAID IT BEFORE, THESE CONSULTANTS WILL GO AWAY AFTER THE, THEIR JOB IS DONE.
WE HIRED A MANAGER, OR ANNETTE HIRED A MANAGER TO MOVE THESE THINGS FORWARD IN PERPETUITY, HOPEFULLY FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.
THE CONSULTANTS AREN'T STAYING HERE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, SIX MONTHS A YEAR, THEY, THEY SHOW HOW TO USE THE GUIDANCE SYSTEM DONE.
NOW WE MAY NEED SOMEONE TO HELP MANAGE FOR WARRANTY WORK AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT LANCE, WOULD YOU OR WOULD YOU NOT BE ABLE TO MANAGE THE GUIDANCE SYSTEM? I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA TEACH YOU, THEY'LL GIVE YOU SO SOFTWARE, CORRECT.
YOUR, YOUR EXPERTISE HERE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, I MEAN, I WAS PRETTY IMPRESSED WITH IT.
YOU'D BE ABLE TO MANAGE THAT AS A MANAGER, NOT DESIGN IT.
AM AM I CORRECT? YOU ARE CORRECT.
ANDY, I JUST WANT TO START WITH HOW REGRETFUL I AM THAT I'M HEARING.
YOU'RE DEBATING WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN TRUST WHAT I'M TELLING YOU.
OH, I, I'M, I'M, I, I, I, I BELIEVE YOU AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING WHERE I'M TRYING TO GO.
I, I'M FINE WITH EXACTLY USING THE CONSULTANTS, UH, TO DO WHAT YOU WANT DO AND LET LANCE DO WHAT HE DOES.
I WASN'T ADDRESSING THAT TO YOU, MR. MAYOR.
UM, AND UM, THIS ISN'T UNLIKE HIRING KIMLEY HORN OR ANY OTHER ENGINEERING CONSULTANT AND THAT CONSULTANT GOING AWAY.
I, I HOLD A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR THIS CITY ON HOW OUR SIM PROGRAM WORKS, HOW THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, THE VIM MODELS WORK, THE ANALYSIS OF THE DASHBOARD OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE PUT IN.
I, I HOPE THAT YOU TRUST ME WHEN I TELL YOU WHAT I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT.
IF, IF, IF WE'RE COMPARING WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM A RESIDENT THAT HAS NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE INTERNAL WORKINGS OF THIS CITY VERSUS WHAT I'M TELLING YOU, I I REALLY HATE TO BE HEARING WHAT I'M HEARING RIGHT NOW.
I, I ALSO WANT TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SOFTWARE, THE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT'S SOFTWARE.
THERE'S VERY LITTLE HARDWARE ANYMORE.
SO WHAT LANCE HAS GOT TO SHARE WITH ME IS IT'S ALL REMOTE TECHNOLOGY.
SO THE OLD SYSTEM WE HAD OF HOW TO FIX STUFF AND THESE PUCKS AND METERS, ALL THAT STUFF IS GOING AWAY.
IT'S ALL ON YOUR PHONE NOW, JUST LIKE WHAT CONNECTION STUFF IS.
SO THE SOFTWARE IS TO GET PEOPLE TO CONNECT ON THAT, AND THEN THE PHONE WILL TELL 'EM HOW LONG THEY PARKED, WHERE THEY PARKED, HOW THEY WERE THERE AND ALL THAT.
WE'LL HAVE CAMERAS AND OTHERS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THAT ENFORCEMENT, BUT IT'S A, A REALLY EXCITING NEW PART OF PARKING THAT I, I'M STILL LEARNING ABOUT AND SO ON.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M GLAD LANCE IS HERE, BUT THIS IS GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE WE WERE, WHERE WE WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE AND HOW WE'RE GONNA GET THERE.
MELISSA, HAVE YOU, ARE YOU DONE? YEAH.
SO PETE, WANT TO GO, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S REALLY CLEAR.
I'M SUPPORTIVE STAFF DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
I WASN'T CLEAR UNTIL BEGINNING ABOUT THE PLANNER, SO I'M JUST ADDING A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT I WOULD LIKE THAT FIRST HIRE TO BE ABLE TO DO.
SO THAT, SO I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
AND I JUST WANT TO ADD, ASSUMING THEY COULD, THAT'LL BE THE FIRST HIRE THAT THEY CAN FIND ONE, OTHERWISE.
I, I WANNA WEIGH IN NOW IN, IN TERMS OF, I WAS ON TEAM,
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LET'S GET ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS BEFORE THE GARAGE OPENED UP.UM, VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T JUST START WITH THIS COUNCIL, BUT WENT BACK TO MANY OF THE PARKING STUDIES ABOUT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE INCLUDED TO MAKE A SUCCESSFUL EXPERIENCE IN UPTOWN.
AND THE CITY MANAGER ASKED A, A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
AND MY ANSWER IS PLAIN THAT I STILL WANT US TO PUT FORTH A YEOMAN'S EFFORT TO AT LEAST TAKE A STAB AT GETTING ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS AND MAKING PROGRESS BEFORE THE GARAGE OPENS.
AND IF STAFF HAS PROPOSED A SOLUTION HERE, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THE CITY MANAGER'S CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT COUNCIL MIGHT BE DIGGING IN HERE.
AND SO I WANNA BE SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AT THIS TIME.
WE DIDN'T HAVE CONTROL OVER HOW LONG IT WAS GONNA TAKE US TO FIND LANCE.
WE DIDN'T HAVE CONTROL OVER WHETHER WE'VE GOT PLANNERS ON BOARD OR LESS PLANNERS ON BOARD.
AND SO WE HAVE TO REACT TO THAT.
AND THE STAFF'S REACTION TO THAT IS, IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS THAT THIS COUNCIL SET FORTH OF TIMING OF ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS, OR AT LEAST A GOOD STAB AT THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS, WE, WE CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE WHETHER WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANSWERS.
UM, BUT I WANNA MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.
AND SO I, I THINK I'M SUPPORTIVE OF COUNCIL SOL, UM, STAFF'S SOLUTION, A PROPOSAL THAT'S IN FRONT OF US TODAY.
THERE IS A LARGER ISSUE THAT I, I SENSE FROM MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES AND MYSELF ABOUT THE USE OF CONSULTANTS AS THE CITY CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD.
I THINK IT'S SOME STRESS ABOUT WHETHER REVENUES ARE REALLY GONNA BE THERE TO SUPPORT THAT KIND OF BUSINESS MODEL OR NOT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A CONTINUING CONVERSATION THAT WE ALL NEED TO HAVE AND, AND THINK ABOUT.
BUT, UM, I, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, AS, AS MUCH AS I WORRY ABOUT THAT ISSUE, I WANNA BE SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT WE CHALLENGE STAFF TO DO.
AND I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THAT GOAL AT THIS TIME OF GETTING SOME PROGRESS ON THESE THINGS BEFORE THE GARAGE OPENS.
AND THEN WE'LL, UH, WRAP UP THIS ONE TOPIC WITH LANCE.
FOR ME, THE ONLY REASON I VOTED FOR THE GARAGE WAS BECAUSE THESE THINGS WERE GONNA BE DONE BY THE TIME THE GARAGE OPENED.
SO THAT IS MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AND HOW YOU GET THERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, AND THAT IS HOW YOU GET THERE.
SO I DON'T LIKE OUR RELIANCE ON CONSULTANTS, AS I SAID BEFORE, I, I HOPE THEY'RE GONNA BE DO THEIR WORK AND LEAVE.
I DON'T WANNA SEE THIS TO BE CONT CONTINUED AND I WAS A CONSULTANT, I KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.
NO, YOU INGRAIN YOURSELF SO MUCH.
YOU BECOME STAFF, YOU PRESENT AS IF YOU'RE STAFF.
YOU KNOW HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THAT.
AND I DON'T WANNA SEE THIS CONTINUE IN THAT VEIN TO WHERE AFTER THIS WORK IS DONE, THEY'RE STILL GONNA BE THERE WITH MORE WORK BECAUSE, SO IT'S NOT ABOUT TRUSTING YOU OR WHAT YOU SAY IT'S ABOUT, TO ME, IT'S A POLICY ISSUE ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD BE PAYING OUT MONEY TO THIRD PARTIES OR WHETHER WE SHOULD USE THAT MONEY FOR STAFF EXPERTISE.
THAT'S THE POLICY DECISION THAT I THINK IS APPROPRIATE FOR US TO TALK ABOUT.
IT'S NOT THE DETAILS OF HOW A PROCUREMENT WORKS.
SO THAT'S HOW I SEE THE DIFFERENCE.
BUT FOR ME, GETTING THIS DONE BEFORE THE GARAGE OPENS IS PARAMOUNT.
CAN WE JUST MOVE ON? I DON'T WANNA REPEAT THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAID, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M REPEATING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY, BUT I IT'S ALREADY CLOSE.
I JUST, I JUST, I DON'T, I'S A TWO WAY STREET, I THINK BECAUSE I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I, AND I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY THAT STAFF WOULD FEEL, OH, YOU'RE SECOND GUESSING US, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE THE CASE.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT WORKS FOR UP HERE.
I THINK, AS I SAID, WHAT STARTED THIS, AND I'M THE ONE WHO ORIGINALLY RAISED A TOPIC BECAUSE I SAW THIS IN HERE AND IT WAS A SURPRISE TO SEE THAT THERE WAS RELYING ON CONSULTANTS BECAUSE WE HAD A DIFFERENT IDEA OF WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS BEING ESTABLISHED.
SO AGAIN, AND I AGREE WITH WHAT THE VICE MAYOR SAID, IT'S A POLICY ISSUE OF HOW WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S A TWO WAY STREET, AS I SAID.
SO OUR DECISION OR OUR GUIDANCE OR OUR REQUEST IS, IS BEING SECOND GUESSED AS WELL BECAUSE I THINK WE DID HAVE AN EXPECTATION.
I I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SHOULD TAKE ANYTHING PERSONALLY BECAUSE THESE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT MAY
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SOMEWHAT BE UNCOMFORTABLE.THEY HAVE TO BE HAD BECAUSE IT IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, THE TWO STAFF AND COUNSEL AND THE ROLES THAT WE PLAY.
AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION.
AND I, I DON'T LIKE THAT IT'S BEING, IF ANYTHING WAS GIVEN TO EITHER SIDE OF THE DAY ABOUT A, A DISTRUST OR MISCOMMUNICATION, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.
THIS IS THE MECHANISM FOR GETTING COMMUNICATION CLEAR.
UM, YOU HAVE, UH, MORE TO DISCUSS? NO, WE'RE DONE SIR.
WELL I HAVE A QUESTION OF SOMETHING, UH, ENFORCEMENT AND HOW DOES THAT LOOK IN YOUR WORLD? UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CITATIONS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT ILLEGALLY PARKED CARS AND NO PARKING ZONES THAT WOULD RATHER TAKE THE $125 TICKET OR $150 TICKET, WHATEVER IT IS, AS OPPOSED TO, TO NOT PARKING THERE.
SO DO YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH BOOTING? ABSOLUTELY.
TELL ME WHAT YOU ENVISION, UH, WHERE WE WOULD GO AND WHAT THE TIMEFRAME WOULD BE TO HAVE SOME SOMETHING, UH, PRESENTED TO COUNCIL OR IF IT'S EVEN JUST GIVEN TO STAFF AND, UH, TO DECIDE HOW, BECAUSE TOWING IS NOT A REALISTIC, UH, ENDEAVOR IN OUR COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TOWING COMPANIES.
WE ONLY HAVE TWO, AND I, I THINK ONLY ONE OF THOSE WOULD EVEN DO IT.
BUT THEY'RE COMMITTED TO AAA AND OTHER THINGS.
SO THERE'S, TOWING IS NOT REALLY A VIABLE OPTION.
THE ONLY PLACE THAT I FEEL LIKE TOWING WOULD BE THE FIRST OPTION IS IF IT'S IN A FIRE LANE THAT COULD PUT PEOPLE'S LIVES AT DANGER AS FAR AS, UH, WHEEL LOCKS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S AN INCONVENIENCE TO THE CUSTOMER, BUT THEIR VEHICLE'S STILL THERE.
UM, I'VE USED WHEEL LOCKS FROM 1990 CLEAR UP TILL I LEFT GEORGIA TECH IN 2018.
UM, THERE'S DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE.
YOU CAN GET SOME OF 'EM THAT DO A, A REMOTE RELEASE.
THERE'S OTHERS THAT ARE JUST THE SMALL ONES THAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT ON THERE AND COLLECT YOUR FEE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO TECHNOLOGY THAT YOU CAN USE.
A, UH, IT'S CALLED A, I THINK HE CALLS IT THE SAFETY STICK, THAT IT HAS A CAMERA IN IT AND YOU CAN PROGRAM THAT TO TAKE A PICTURE OF AND SEND THE CITATION TO THE INDIVIDUAL.
YOU CAN USE THAT IN NO PARKING AREAS.
YOU CAN USE THAT IN, YOU KNOW, LIKE TIMED AREAS.
I KNOW THAT, UH, JUST FROM BEING IN UPTOWN, I'VE SEEN DIFFERENT VEHICLES AND LOADING UNLOADING ZONES.
MM-HMM,
THIS TYPE OF EQUIPMENT CAN, CAN MONITOR ALL THAT FOR YOU AND ENFORCE IT WITHOUT NEEDING SOMEBODY TO GO WRITE A TICKET.
I JUST FELT THROUGH MY EXPERIENCE, UH, DEALING WITH BOTH OF THOSE, UH, TOWING AND WHEEL LOCKS, BOOTS.
IF YOU HAVE A TOW TRUCK, THEY TOW A CAR AWAY, THEY LEAVE THE OPEN SPOT, SOMEBODY COMES RIGHT BEHIND 'EM AND PARKS IN THAT SPOT.
IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE BOOTED, PEOPLE WILL DRIVE BY, SEE THAT CAR BOOTED, AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE PARKING IN ANY FUTURE SPOTS.
THEY, THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT BOOT ON THEIR VEHICLE AND THE BIG STICK OR YOU PUT ON THE SIDE OF THE VEHICLE.
SO JUST SOMETHING I'D LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT.
UH, EVEN IF WE HAVE TO PUT OUT AN RFP TO A COMPANY, UH, AS A, A CONTRACTOR THAT COULD DO IT.
SO IT'S NOT, I DON'T EXPECT TO DO IT IN HOUSE AT ALL.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD USE OF OUR RESOURCES.
BUT IF THERE'S A COMPANY THAT WE CAN HIRE TO DO IT, I DON'T KNOW IF JAWS TOWING JUST ONE OF THE TOWING COMPANIES.
IF WE CAN ALSO GIVE RESOURCES AND HELP FUND ONE OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, TO ME THAT IS VERY HELPFUL.
AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
HOWEVER THAT WOULD WORK WITH THE, BETWEEN THE COURTS PD, IT WOULD JUST, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING.
I DUNNO IF THE REST OF THE COUNCIL WOULD AGREE ON THAT, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE ON, UH, DRY CREEK ROAD PARKING ON, YOU KNOW, STRADDLING THE LINE ON THE, UH, THE RIGHT SIDE AND THEY'LL LEAVE THEIR CAR THERE.
NOW WE DID A LOT WITH BOULDERS AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT PEOPLE STILL FIND A WAY TO, TO PARK, UH, UP AT, UM, WHAT'S THE TRAILHEAD? UH, UH, UH, SOLDIER PASS.
UH, PEOPLE PARKING IN THE CIRCLE ON ONE OF THE HOLIDAYS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
BIG SIGNS, NO PARKING BEYOND THESE SIGNS.
THEY WERE WILLING TO TAKE THE TICKET, UH, AND AS OPPOSED TO FINDING SOMEPLACE ELSE WITHOUT HAVING TO WALK A LITTLE BIT.
ANDY, ANDY, UM, I JUST WANT TO THROW OUT THAT MY DIRECTION TO KURT AND LANCE WAS THAT THEY WOULD LOOK INTO THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE AFTER THESE
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OTHER PRIORITIES THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED.I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE IN A YEAR OR SO, IF YOU CAN COME BACK WITH A PLAINTIFF THAT WORKS WITH ANDY AND ANNETTE, WHATEVER THEIR DIRECTION IS.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN PLACE WITHIN A YEAR OR SO.
IS THAT REALISTIC, ANDY? MAYBE.
YEAH, I WOULD AT LEAST A DISCUSSION.
I, I, I MISSPOKE NOT IN PLACE WORKING JUSTICE.
HAVE IT ON THE RADAR SOMEWHERE.
MAYOR, WE'VE TALKED, UM, INTERNALLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING LANCE CAN WORK ON, IS, UM, DRAFTING AN ENFORCEMENT POLICY, YOU KNOW, AND HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THIS AND WHAT TOOLS AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH FINES OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
SO YES, DEFINITELY THAT'S SOMETHING I JUST, I THINK IT'LL GO A LONG WAY TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY.
WHEN PEOPLE GET ANNOYED THAT SOMEONE'S PARKING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE IN A NO PARKING ZONE AND IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA ON SOLDIER PAST THIS, UH, PERMIT PARKING.
AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T, I FORGET WHAT HOLIDAY IT WAS, THAT THE ENTIRE CIRCLE WAS FILLED ALL AND A TOW TRUCK WOULD COME, LIKE I DESCRIBED BEFORE, TAKE A CAR.
THEY ONLY HAVE TWO TOW TRUCKS AND IF THEY'RE LUCKY THEY HAVE ENOUGH MANPOWER TO RUN THOSE TWO TOW TRUCKS, THEY CAN'T KEEP COMING BACK AND FORTH.
DEREK, YOU, THAT INCLUDES A DISCUSSION WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S, WELL, I, I SAID IT SHOULD ALL BE YEAH.
WITH THE COURTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A PROGRAM TO DO THAT.
AND I'M NOT, I'M HALF KIDDING.
BUT I MEAN, IF WE REALLY WANTED TO, IF WE WANT THIS TO BE A DE DETERRENT, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS SEE IT.
SO, DEREK, ARE YOU VOLUNTEERING YOUR CAR
THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST, IS THIS A PRIORITY, A BUDGET PRIORITY DISCUSSION ABOUT IF WE WANNA SPEND POLICE RESOURCES ON PURSUING THAT VERSUS SOME OTHER THINGS? I THINK WE'RE DELVING A LITTLE BIT INTO SOMETHING THAT AGAIN, IT'S OKAY.
[3.b. Discussion/possible action regarding ideas for future meetings/agenda items. ]
OKAY.WE HAVE ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM THIS ITEM B, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING IDEAS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS AND AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE COUNCIL? ANNETTE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING?
[5. ADJOURNMENT]
OKAY.HEARING NOTHING ELSE, THIS MEETING'S ADJOURNED.