* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] GOOD. READY? OKAY, LET'S [ 1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE] CALL, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE LIFE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CLERK. WE [ 2. ROLL CALL/MOMENT OF ART] DO, PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL AGAIN. MAYOR JALO HERE, VICE MAYOR PLU. PRESENT. COUNCILOR DUNN. HERE. COUNCILOR LTZ. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FURMAN. HERE. COUNCILOR KINSELLA. PRESENT. COUNCILOR F HERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR NANCY LAAN TO STEP UP AND SHARE WITH US ALL WITH THIS GREAT AUDIENCE AND PARTICIPANTS ARE DOING HERE TODAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE A VERY EXCITING MOMENT OF ART TODAY. IT'S A GREAT WAY TO END THE NEW, UH, THE, THIS DECEMBER, THE END OF THIS YEAR, AND START THE NEW. SO THANK YOU EVERYONE WHO'S COME IN HERE TO, UM, PERFORM FOR US TODAY. SO LAST MONTH, THE CHAMBER MUSIC, SEDONA RECEIVED THE MAYOR'S ARTS AWARD FOR THE SUPPORT THEY PROVIDE FOR SEDONAS COMMUNITY YOUTH ORCHESTRA. THIS ORGANIZATION IS DEDICATED TO PROVIDING YOUNG MUSICIANS FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF MUSIC THROUGH STUDYING AND PERFORMING DIVERSE REPERTOIRE FOR STRING ORCHESTRA AND CHAMBER MUSIC ENSEMBLES. BY VIRTUE OF GEOGRAPHY, THE YOUNG PEOPLE AND IN OUR RURAL COMMUNITY AND SURROUNDING AREAS HAVE LIMITED ACCESS TO ROBUST MUSIC AND, AND, UM, PERFORMING ARTS AND CULTURAL ENRICHMENT OPPORTUNITIES. SCYO EXISTS TO CHANGE THAT, PROVIDING EXCEPTIONAL TRAINING AND PERFORMANCE EXPERIENCES TO A WIDE RANGE OF STUDENTS WITH VARYING MUSICAL DEVELOPMENT AND SKILL SETS. THE PRELUDE AND CONCERT ORCHESTRAS ARE LED BY CO-FOUNDERS AND CO CONDUCTORS, CHRISTINA BEEL AND COURTNEY YATES. BOTH ARE GRAMMY NOMINATED MUSIC EDUCATORS AND PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS, AND HAVE A COMBINED EXPERIENCE IN EDUCATION AND PERFORMANCE FOR MORE THAN 60 YEARS. UNDER THIS HIGHLY QUALIFIED LEADERSHIP, SY CEO'S EDUCATIONAL APPROACH BRINGS YOUNG STRING MUSICIANS TOGETHER IN A SAFE, INCLUSIVE, AND WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT, FOSTERING INDIVIDUAL GROWTH, INTELLECTUAL LEARNING, CONFIDENCE, AND SOCIAL EMOTIONAL AWARENESS. ALL OF THIS EQUIPS STUDENTS WITH TOOLS TO LEAD A RICH AND BALANCED LIFE. THIS SEASON, THIS IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE. THIS SEASON, CHRISTINA AND COURTNEY DECIDED TO EXPAND COMMUNITY OUTREACH BY OPENING PARTICIPATION TO BUDDING MUSICIANS OF ALL AGES. IT'S AN AMAZING INTERGENERATIONAL PROGRAM THEY HAVE, I THINK THE YOUNGEST IS FOUR, AND THE OLDEST IS 72 IN THIS GROUP, AND THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER. SO LET'S GIVE 'EM A ROUND FOR THAT. IT'S SO SPECIAL FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO HAVE THIS, THIS, UM, GIFT THAT THEY HAVE BROUGHT THE COMMUNITY. UM, SO THEY, UM, SHARED THEIR LOVE OF MUSIC TOGETHER. AND ANNUALLY, THESE MUSICIANS PRACTICE IN 34 SATURDAY MORNING REHEARSALS, A YEAR, SEVERAL CONCERTS AND COMMUNITY PERFORMANCES. CHRISTINA AND COURTNEY ALSO PROVIDE WEEKLY MUSIC LESSONS TO OVER 30 STUDENTS IN SEDONA. THEY ARE BOTH DEEPLY COMMITTED TO FOSTERING A VIBRANT MUSIC COMMUNITY, ENRICHING LIVES, AND UPLIFTING THE HUMAN SPIRIT THROUGH MUSIC EDUCATION TODAY. OH, BOTH ORCHESTRAS WILL BE PERFORMING IN COLLABORATION. BY THE WAY, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THIS, UM, WITH SEDONA DANCE ACADEMY'S LIVE PERFORMANCE OF THE NUTCRACKER BALLET THIS SATURDAY. SO IT'S DECEMBER 14TH AT FOUR O'CLOCK AT SEDONA PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. THE PRO THIS PROMISES TO BE A SPECTACULAR PERFORMANCE FROM SEDONAS TALENTED YOUNG MUSICIANS AND DANCERS IN A WONDERFUL COLLABORATION. SO IF YOU CAN GO, I THINK TICKETS ARE SELLING OUT THIS AFTERNOON, THE PRELUDE ORCHESTRA WILL OPEN WITH THEIR RENDITION OF CORONATION MARCH FROM THE PROPHET, COMPOSED BY OMO MAYOR BEAR, AND ARRANGED BY ANDREW DUBINSKI. NEXT, THE CONCERT ORCHESTRA WILL SHARE SOME TRADITIONAL HOLIDAY SPIRIT PLAYING DANCE OF THE TOY FLUTES FROM THE NUTCRACKER BALLET, COMPOSED BY PETER TCHAIKOVSKY AND ARRANGED BY RICHARD MEYER. PLEASE WELCOME THE SEDONA COMMUNITY AND YOUTH ORCHESTRA. [00:08:21] SO PRAY THE ORCHESTRA, GET OUT BEST YOU CAN. PLEASE DON'T TRIP. LET THEM DISPERSE BEFORE YOU TRY AND CLIMB ON IN HERE. VERY ORDERLY. YES. EVERYBODY'S GONNA BOTH EYES. [00:13:05] THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, NANCY. YOU REALLY, YOU REALLY OUTDID YOURSELF FOR THE END OF THE YEAR. I APPRECIATE I HERE. I WANTED TO GO OUT TO BANG. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. JUST SO YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT ONLY FROM SEDONA AND COTTONWOOD. THERE'S A, THERE'S A STUDENT HERE THAT COMES FROM PRESCOTT. GOOD FOR THEM. OUR BASS PLAYER. YEAH, THEY'RE FROM ALL OVER . VERY GOOD. OKAY, BEFORE WE GO ON WITH THE CONSENT ITEM, I JUST WANNA BRING UP TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE, IF YOU ARE HERE FOR A, THE ANNEXATION DISCUSSION LATER ON IN THE AGENDA, AND YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IT BEING IN YOUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS, IT DOES NOT COVER RESIDENTIAL AREAS. SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SPEAK, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO ALL THAT. BUT IF YOU, IF THAT SOLVES YOUR ISSUE, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY OF THE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE PINES. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE LOWER RED ROCK LOOP ROADS AREA IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. SO JUST GONNA LET YOU KNOW. I CAN'T HEAR YOU. WHO, WHO MIC IT. OKAY. OKAY. HEY MAYOR, DO YOU WANT LET PEOPLE OVER? YES. OKAY. IF ANYBODY'S LOOKING FOR SEATS, WE HAVE IN THE FRONT CORNER OVER HERE. YOU'RE WELCOME TO TAKE A SEAT. [00:15:01] NOBODY NEEDS TO STAND SHOWING. YOU WANT TO COME DOWN, MAX? YOU WANNA COME TO, TO THE CORNER? NO. . OKAY. ALRIGHT. ITEM THREE, [ 3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE ] CONSENT ITEMS. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE THE COUNCIL, THE STAFF, OR THE PUBLIC WHO WE DO HAVE SOMEONE REQUESTING TO HAVE AN ITEM PULLED, UH, CAN HAVE THE ITEM PULLED. SO, UH, WE HAVE MICHAEL INSO INAL, ARE YOU HERE? YES, SIR. OKAY. WELL, IF YOU WANNA COME TO THE MIC AND ADDRESS US AS TWO, UH, ITEM H AND WHY YOU WANT TO HAVE IT PULLED, AND THEN WE WILL DISCUSS IT. UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MY NAME IS MICHAEL AND FANS, AND I AM THE CHIEF LOBBYIST FOR THE ARIZONA CITIZENS DEFENSE LEAGUE. WHILE I APPRECIATE THE, UH, AMENDMENT OFFERED TO, UH, THE CITY CODE, REFERRING TO THIS, UH, UH, 12 POINT 30 0 9 0, THE AMENDMENT IS STILL IN VIOLATION OF OUR STATE CONSTITUTION, UH, IN, IN REGARDS TO THE HELLER DECISION IN REGARDS TO THE MCDONALD DECISION AND REGARDS TO THE BRUIN DECISION, WHICH WOULD KEEP SEDONA STILL IN VIOLATION OF 13 DASH 31 0 8. OKAY. SO LET'S DO THE CONSENT ITEMS A THROUGH G AND I CAN, CAN I, ANY, ANY, THE COUNSELORS WANNA HAVE THAT PULLED. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE A THROUGH G AND AYE. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? WILL UNANIMOUS. SO, UH, [3.h. AB 3167 Approval of an Ordinance amending Sedona City Code Section 12.30.090. ] ITEM H WE WILL DISCUSS, UH, CITY ATTORNEY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, GIVE US SOME INFORMATION ON THAT? SURE. THANK YOU. UH, UM, COUNCIL, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, THE, I, I DISAGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT THAT IT WOULD STILL BE IN VIOLATION OF A RS 31 0 8 OR THE ARIZONA CONSTITUTION. UH, IT WAS ALSO REVIEWED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND LEG LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL, UM, FROM THE ARIZONA STATE LEGISLATURE, AND THEY BOTH APPROVED OF THE CHANGES, UM, AND THE REPRESENTATIVES WHO, WHO INITIALLY MADE, UM, UH, COMPLAINT ABOUT THIS ITEM, THEY ALSO APPROVED THE AMENDMENTS AS PROPOSED. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM TODAY? VICE MAYOR KURT, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT IS IT THAT THIS GENTLEMAN WOULD LIKE US TO DO THAT'S NOT IN THERE? OR HOW IS HE FIND IT TO BE DEFICIENT? WHAT WERE THE ARGUMENTS? DO YOU KNOW? I, I DON'T KNOW. THEY WERE NOT PROVIDED BEFORE HIM. OKAY. UH, COUNCIL FOLTA, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COMMENT? NO, BUT THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL IS APPARENTLY READY TO ANSWER THEM. VICE MAYOR'S QUESTION IF, CAN WE DISCUSS THIS? KURT? IT'S UP TO COUNSEL. AND THE INTEREST OF DISCUSSING THIS FURTHER, IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THIS, THE, UH, REPRESENTATIVES COUNSEL, WELL, THERE'S SOMEBODY HERE WHO I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT HE IS, SO, YEAH. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM HIM. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. I JUST DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS, SO, OKAY. UH, MICHAEL, YOU WANNA STEP UP AND SHARE YOUR ISSUE? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. AGAIN, THE, THE ISSUE THAT HAS IN THE AMENDMENT, IT STILL CONSIDERS BOWS, LONG BOWS, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND UNDER THE HELLER DECISION ARMS, THE DEFINITION OF ARMS CONSIDERS ANY DEFENSIVE WEAPON. AND THOSE CAN BE USED AS DEFENSIVE WEAPONS UNDER OUR STATE CONSTITUTION, UNDER ARTICLE TWO, SECTION 26. BASED UPON THAT, IT'S STILL IN VIOLATION. AND, AND I, I'M IN, I'M IN DISCUSSION WITH, WITH THE LEGISLATORS WHO FILED THE, THE 1487, AND I, I DOUBT THEY WOULD'VE APPROVED OF THIS. I, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT I DOUBT IT. THEY'VE ALREADY AGREED TO WITHDRAW THEIR COMPLAINT. RIGHT. AND THEY TOLD THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE THAT. SO, I MEAN, I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS THOSE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN [00:20:01] PROHIBITED, EVEN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO THOSE, THOSE, THAT'S NOT NEW LANGUAGE. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN IN THERE. UM, AND IT WAS COMPLIANT WITH THE CONSTITUTION BEFORE, AND THE, AND THE COURT DECISIONS, WHAT CHANGED WAS STATE LAW IN 2010, UM, UH, PREVENTING THE CITY FROM PROHIBITING FIREARMS AS DEFINED IN STATE STATUTE, NOT NECESSARILY POOR FOR THOSE, THOSE DECISIONS CITED, UM, CITED HERE. SO I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S STILL ANY VIOLATION. I HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN THIS WAS PASSED BY THE STATE, DID YOU BRING IT UP TO THEM? UH, IT WASN'T BROUGHT MR. MAYOR, IT WASN'T BROUGHT UP UNTIL ONE OF OUR MEMBERS WHO, WHO IS A RESIDENT OF SEDONA, BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION. AND IT WAS, IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE STATE THAT WAY. THIS, THIS IS AN, AN OLD STATUTE. I KNOW THAT. AND, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN THE STATE THAT HAVE THESE, GOING BACK TO THE EIGHTIES AND NINETIES AND EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, , WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT HELLER WASN'T DECIDED UNTIL 2008. SO THE SUPREME COURT DECISION SINCE 2008, DEFINE THE, THE, THE, THE WORD ARMS, WHICH FURTHER DEFINES IT IN OUR STATE CONSTITUTION. THAT'S WHY IT'S IN VIOLATION. IT'S NOT THAT IT'S A NEW, NEW ORDINANCE THAT, OH, YOU'RE DOING THIS NOW. IT'S IN VIOLATION. IT'S JUST WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN UP, CLEAN IT UP. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE TO ACCEPT CONSENT? ITEM THREE H AS PRESENTED. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILLOR DUNN. WHERE SHALL COUNCILLOR DUNN? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AND YOU OPPOSED? YOU WERE UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPOINTMENTS, RECOGNITIONS, AND AWARDS. I'M SORRY. APPOINTMENTS? [ 4. APPOINTMENTS ] YES, MA'AM. AND, OKAY. I CAN GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS. PERFECT. OKAY. SO ON APRIL 4TH, UM, THE CITY STARTED ADVERTISING THE, WE HAD AN OPENING FOR A SEAT THAT EXPIRED IN THE COMMISSION. AND THEN, UM, ANOTHER SEAT BECAME OPEN. SO THEN THERE WAS AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR TWO POSITIONS, AND THEN TWO ADDITIONAL SEATS. WHILE THESE TWO SEATS WERE, WE WERE RECEIVING APPLICATIONS, TWO OTHER SEATS WERE SET TO EXPIRE NOVEMBER 30TH FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR. AND SO, UM, THEY HAD THE FOUR APPLICATIONS. AND THEN A COUPLE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SELECTION COMMITTEE AGREED TO WAIVE INTERVIEWS FOR THE CURRENT COMMISSION MEMBERS SEEKING REAPPOINTMENT. THAT WAS FOR COMMISSIONER STEVE EGNER AND NATE MYERS THAT HAD RESUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATIONS. AND THEN ON NOVEMBER 14TH, THE SELECTION COMMITTEE MADE UP OF MAYOR BLO, VICE MAYOR PLU, AND, UH, NATE MYERS AS THE CHAIR INTERVIEWED BOBBY WOODS, KAREN STUPAC, AND THOMAS WHITE WEISS. SO BEFORE YOU, TONIGHT IS, UH, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION FOR APPOINTING, UM, TWO PEOPLE TO THE COUNCIL, UH, BOBBY WOODS AND KAREN STUPAC, AND THEN THE REAPPOINTMENT OF NATE MYERS AND STEVE EGNER TO THE COMMISSION. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? YES. THAT WILL BRING THE COMMISSION TO FOUR MEMBERS. NO, NO, FIVE, BECAUSE THERE'S ONE REMAIN. OKAY, THANK YOU. I JUST ONE TOGETHER. THAT'S A TOTAL OF FIVE. YES. THANK YOU, PETE. ANY? NO. NO. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. PLEASE MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE TO APPOINT BOBBY WOODS AND KAREN STUPAK AND TO REAPPOINT STEVE NER AND NATE MYERS TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WITH A TERM BEGINNING IMMEDIATELY AND ENDING NOVEMBER 30TH, 2027 OR UNTIL A SUCCESSOR IS APPOINTED, WHICHEVER IS LATER. SECOND. AND MAYOR, I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE SOME APPLICANTS IN THE OFFENSE THAT YOU, IN THE AUDIENCE THAT YOU MAY WANNA RECOGNIZE. WELL, I WILL. I WANTED TO DO THE, THE VOTE FIRST, BUT YES. THANK YOU. SO, UH, ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, WE HAD THE SECOND. I BELIEVE WE HAD THE SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO. OKAY. NONE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE BOBBY WOODS, UH, OR KAREN HERE? STEVE EGNER OR, UH, NATE MYERS, IF YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO STAND UP AND SPEAK FOR A MINUTE? SAY A FEW WORDS. A FEW WORDS. . HI, . WELL, IT'S NICE TO BE BACK ON THE COMMISSION AGAIN. AND, UH, IT'S MY BABY. I CREATED IT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, SO I INTEND TO WORK HARD FOR IT, SO. WELL, WE KNEW THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [00:25:01] STEVE, DID YOU WANNA SAY A FEW WORDS? NO, I'M GOOD. OKAY. WOW. WOW. I KNOW . BOBBY, WHERE ARE YOU, BOBBY? OH, COME ON UP. COME TO THE MICROPHONE. SAY A FEW WORDS. THAT'LL BE GOOD. THANK YOU. WELL, THANK YOU. I AM, I'M 65 AND MY FATHER WAS AN ARCHITECT HERE BEFORE ME, AND SO IT WAS, WHEN I HEARD THAT IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET INVOLVED THIS WAY, I WAS SUPER EXCITED. SO THANKS FOR, THANKS FOR RECEIVING ME. YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE BOTH NEW COMMISSIONERS ON THAT, UH, COMMISSION. REALLY EXCITING. AND, AND STEVE AND NATE TOO. NATE'S HERE. OH, THERE HE IS. I PUT MY, YOU WANNA SAY A FEW WORDS, NATE? OR IF I PUT THE GLASS, I CAN SEE THAT FOR, THERE YOU GO. I JUST WANNA SAY, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR, UH, FOR THE REAPPOINTMENT AND THE, THE NEW APPOINTMENTS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH A, A FULL COMMISSION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. SUMMARY [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS] OF CURRENT EVENTS BY THE COUNCIL OR THE CITY MANAGER OR STAFF, PETE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AS, UM, SOME OF YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NOT VERY MANY OF THE AUDIENCE KNOWS THAT I AM THE COUNCIL'S REPRESENTATIVE ON THE PLATEAU WATER PARTNERSHIP. AND EVERY YEAR THE CP UH, WP, UH, HOSTS A FOURTH GRADE WATER ETHICS CONTEST. AND IT WAS IN FEBRUARY OF, OR THIS YEAR, EARLIER THIS YEAR, THAT SEDONA ACTUALLY PARTICIPATED FOR THE FIRST TIME AND, UH, WON, UH, FIRST PLACE IN THE ESSAY PART OF THE CONTEST. AND SO THAT WAS JUST AWESOME THAT WE, UH, HAD THAT, UH, ENTRY INTO SEDONA. AND AS PART OF OUR MEETING LAST WEEK, UH, I WAS, UH, GIVEN, UH, A STACK OF THE ART THAT WAS SUBMITTED. SO THIS IS KIND OF THE CONTINUATION OF OUR MOMENT OF ART. SO I HAVE SEVEN OF THE PIECES OF ART THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UH, DURING THE CONTEST. AND THESE ARE AWARDED TO OUR CITY MANAGER, UM, THANKING, UH, THE CITY FOR OUR PARTICIPATION IN THE COCOA, UH, NINO PLATEAU WATER PARTNERSHIP. AND SO I'M GONNA GIVE THESE TO THE CITY MANAGER, UH, FOR HER TO DISTRIBUTE AS SHE SEES FIT, EITHER TO, UH, WATER TREATMENT PLANT OR OUR SUSTAINABILITY STAFF OR WHOEVER, OR HER OWN OFFICE AS WELL. SO, WELL, THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU. AND THEN, UH, WE DID DO SOME BUSINESS AS WELL. WE DID PASS OUR BUDGET FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, SO WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S EXCITING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THIS SIDE? UH, COMMITTEES ON THIS SIDE, VICE MAYOR. I THINK, UM, MOST OF US ALL ATTENDED THE LIBRARIES SHOUT OUT LOUD EVENT ON SUNDAY, AND THEY HAD OVER A THOUSAND PEOPLE. I DUNNO HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WERE THERE, BUT IT WAS A WONDERFUL EVENT AND LOTS OF ACTIVITIES FOR KIDS AND COUNSELORS WHO THINK THEY'RE KIDS. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE IT. I GIVE YOU A LOT OF CREDIT. THANK YOU. IF YOU CLIMBED THE ROCK WALL. , , NOT WELL , BUT IT, IT WAS A GREAT COMMUNITY EVENT. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, ALL THE PLANS THAT THE LIBRARY HAS IN THE NEAR FUTURE. AND SO THOSE THAT MAY NOT HAVE HEARD THE LIBRARY WILL NOW BE REFERRED TO COMMUNITY LIBRARY, SEDONA COMMUNITY BEING THE MOST IMPORTANT FOR THEM. AND I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. AND IT WAS A FANTASTIC EVENT. IT REALLY, IT REALLY GOT EVERYBODY OUT. SO, ANYTHING ELSE, BRIAN? THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, EACH OF THE LAST TWO WEEKS, THERE'S BEEN A RIBBON CUTTING ON, UH, 1 79 TO, UH, DEBUT TWO NEW PIECES OF PUBLIC ART. SO HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY HAS SEEN THE ROAD RUNNER AT, UH, MORGAN ROAD AND MORE RECENTLY, NANCY, IF I DON'T GET IT RIGHT, SORRY, JULIANNE AND MARIA, UH, THAT WERE DEBUTED LAST WEEK AT, UM, CANYON CIRCLE, CANYON DRIVE. SO IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE, PLEASE DO TAKE THE TIME, UH, TO WALK OUT AND LITERALLY LOOK AT JULIANNE AND MARIA. THE DETAIL IN THOSE SCULPTURES IS VERY SPECIAL. AND, UH, I THINK NANCY MAY HAVE ALREADY LEFT, BUT CONGRATULATIONS TO HER, TO HANCO AND ANYBODY ELSE FROM STAFF THAT WAS PART OF BRINGING THIS. AND OF COURSE, CONGRATULATIONS TO THE ARTIST. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND THERE'LL BE TWO ADDITIONAL, UH, ART STATUTES COMING UP IN THE NEAR FUTURE. ONE AT CHAPEL ROAD ROUNDABOUT, AND THE OTHER AT BACK OF BEYOND. SO LOOK FORWARD TO, TO SEEING THAT AS WELL. VICE MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING BECAUSE I SEE MISINFORMATION ABOUT THE COST OF THESE SCULPTURES. WE HAVE A ART FUND FOR [00:30:01] DEVELOPERS WHO PARTICIPATE IN GIVING US MONEY FOR ART THAT GOES INTO A FUND. AND IT'S THAT MONEY THAT'S USED FOR THE ROUNDABOUTS, SO IT'S DEVELOPMENT FEES AS OPPOSED TO, UH, THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND. SO I THINK IT'S, UM, FOR THE COMMUNITY, IT SHOWS THE IMPORTANCE THAT WE VALUE FOR ART AND, AND MAKING OUR COMMUNITY ANIMATED BY THE ARTS. THANK YOU. THAT WAS A GOOD POINT. SO, UH, FOR MYSELF, I, I'VE HAD A COUPLE EVENT EVENTS COMING UP. UH, IT'S TAKEN CARE OF TODAY. UH, THE, THE MANAGER AND I ATTENDED THE VERDE VALLEY SUPERVISORS, MAYORS, AND MANAGERS MEETING IN COTTONWOOD. THAT'S ALL FOR THE VERDE VALLEY. UH, AND THAT WAS VERY, VERY PRODUCTIVE. WE TALKED ABOUT QUITE A FEW THINGS, TRANSPORTATION, UH, UH, EVENTS, UM, PROJECTS I SHOULD SAY. AND WE ALSO DISCUSSED AT GREAT LENGTH, UH, A DISPATCH CENTER FOR THE VERDE VALLEY AND AS WELL AS THE PRESCOTT SIDE OF THE COUNTY. UH, DECEMBER 6TH, ANNETTE AND I ATTENDED THE ARA PI COUNTY SUPERVISORS, MAYOR MAGS MEETING. UH, THAT WAS ALSO, THAT WAS AT THE COLLEGE, VERY SIMILAR, BUT TO TODAY'S MEETING, BUT IT WAS THE OVERALL, UH, COUNTY AND ALL THE SUPERVISORS WERE THERE AND MANY, MANY MORE, UH, MAYORS. SO THAT WAS A VERY GOOD EVENT AS WELL. AND, UH, DECEMBER 4TH, UH, THE VICE MAYOR, UH, THE CITY MANAGER AND I ATTENDED A MEETING WITH DR. RYAN AND HER STAFF, ALONG WITH THE FIVE MAYORS AND MANAGERS IN THE VERDE VALLEY TO DISCUSS ISSUES, UH, OF THE COLLEGE AND THE COMMUNITY, AND SPECIFICALLY, UH, THEIR REASONS FOR NOT ATTENDING A PAST MEETING HERE AT CITY COUNCIL. SO, UH, I THOUGHT YOU'D ALL WANNA KNOW. WE'VE BEEN VERY, VERY BUSY. OKAY. ITEM SIX, PUBLIC [6. PUBLIC FORUM ] FORUM. WE HAVE SEVERAL CARDS. 10, WE'LL START WITH, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM. TRACY RANDALL, YOU ARE NUMBER ONE, FOLLOWED BY JAMES ACK . YOU COULD SAY NO, JIM, YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES. TRACY. JIM GAVE ME HIS THREE MINUTES IN CASE I RUN OVER . WELL, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANNA DO. OKAY. YEAH, HE'S NOT GONNA SPEAK, BUT I THINK MINE WILL BE RIGHT AT THREE MINUTES. OKAY. I JUST, OKAY. MY NAME'S TRACY RANDALL. I'M A SEDONA RESIDENT AND PRESIDENT OF THE LOCAL BIKE CLUB, THE VERDE VALLEY CYCLIST COALITION. I'M HERE WITH MEMBERS OF THE SEDONA TRAIL COMMUNITY TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE LETTER SENT TO COUNCIL AND STAFF ADVOCATING FOR A FULL-TIME TRAILS COORDINATOR. THE CLUB WAS TOLD THAT COUNCIL AND STAFF DID NOT UNDERSTAND THIS POSITION, SO WE OUTLINED THE ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITIES IN MORE DETAIL IN ADDITION TO THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. WHY DO WE FEEL THIS POSITION IS CRITICAL FOR SEDONA? FIRST? PEOPLE HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THE BIKE CLUB SHOULD DO THIS JOB, AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING, I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE FOLKS HERE ON THE CLUB THAT ARE VOLUNTEER BIKE COORDINATORS, BUT WE CANNOT DO THIS JOB FROM THE OUTSIDE. WE CAN SUGGEST IDEAS AND LOBBY FOR CHANGE, BUT WE ARE NOT IN THE ROOM WITH THE CITY ENGINEERS, THE PLANNERS AND STAFF. WHEN CRITICAL DECISIONS ARE MADE AND EXECUTED THAT IMPACT THE TRAILS, CONNECTIONS AND PATHWAYS THE CITY NEEDS SOMEONE ON STAFF DEDICATED TO BEING THE VOICE FOR OUR TRAILS, CONNECTIONS, AND PATHWAYS. STEPS WILL NOT BE AS SUCCESSFULLY EXECUTED WITHOUT SOMEONE ON CITY STAFF DEDICATED THE TRAILS. AND THINKING BROADLY ABOUT SEDONAS TRAIL SYSTEMS IN AND OUT OF CITY BOUNDARIES, PEOPLE HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THIS IS THE FOREST SERVICE JOB, THE TRAIL FUND, THE BIKE CLUB, AND MANY VOLUNTEERS HAVE RAISED THE MONEY BUILT AND MAINTAINED THE RED ROCK TRAIL SYSTEM. OUR TRAILS ARE HERE AND MAINTAINED DUE TO THE EFFORTS OF THESE NONPROFITS WORKING ALONG, WORKING ALONGSIDE A HARDWORKING BUT SEVERELY UNDERFUNDED AND UNDERSTAFFED RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT. DO YOU THINK THIS LACK OF FUNDING AND RESOURCES IS GOING TO IMPROVE WITH US LOBBYING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? I DON'T. AND IT'S ACTUALLY GOTTEN WORSE THIS YEAR IF YOU FOLLOWED, AND I THINK YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF IT, 'CAUSE WE HAD TO FUND A LOT OF THE MAINTENANCE THIS YEAR. SEDONAS RED ROCKS ATTRACT THE TOURISTS AND THE RESIDENTS AND THE TRAILS AND PATHWAYS PROVIDE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ENJOY THESE RED ROCKS GENERATING MUCH OF SEDONAS REVENUES. THIS IS A LOCAL CHALLENGE AND WE SHOULD FOCUS ON LOCAL SOLUTIONS. SEDONA NEEDS TO INVEST MORE OF ITS REVENUES BACK INTO THE TRAILS, CONNECTIONS AND PATHWAYS, AND NEEDS TO COLLABORATE [00:35:01] WITH THE FOREST SERVICE AND THESE NONPROFITS TO ENSURE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS BUILT EFFECTIVELY. I OFTEN HEAR, SO SEDONA HAS NO SENSE OF COMMUNITY, AND I STRONGLY DISAGREE. THERE IS A VERY STRONG COMMUNITY OF TRAIL USERS IN SEDONA THAT HAVE CHOSEN TO LIVE HERE, LARGELY DUE TO THESE TRAILS. SEDONA SHOULD BE INVESTING AND FOCUSING ON MORE ON ITS STRENGTHS, FOSTER AND INVEST FURTHER IN THIS TRAIL COMMUNITY, STRIVE TO BECOME A NATIONAL LEADER IN THE TRAILS TRAIL CONNECTIONS AND PATHWAYS THAT ARE SAFE AND INVITING FOR ALL LEVELS AND FORMS OF TRAIL LOOP USERS. AND I BELIEVE YOU WILL ATTRACT MORE PEOPLE LIKE THAT. PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS ENGAGED AND POSITIVE COMMUNITY OF SEDONA RESIDENTS AND TRAIL USERS. ADD A SEDONA CITY TRAILS POSITION IN 2025. OKAY, THANK YOU TRACY. YEP. OKAY. UM, SO WE USED YOUR TIME. YEAH, WE USED YOUR TIME. I THOUGHT I MIGHT GO OVER. WELL, IT DID, SO, OKAY. UH, DOUG COP, WELL, HAPPY TO SEE YOU, DOUG. I COULD SEE YOU. AND WE HAVE EVAN, UH, NEXT. EVAN, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY, SO GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR JALO AND CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME'S DOUG COPP, LIVE IN WEST SEDONA, AND FOR MANY YEARS I WAS THE VOLUNTEER BICYCLE COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. WHEN YOU ENTER SEDONA ON ANY OF THE ROADS, YOU'LL SEE A SIGN OFF THE SIDE SAYS SILVER LEVEL, BICYCLE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY. IT'S A PROGRAM RUN BY THE LEAGUE OF AMERICAN BI BICYCLISTS, RECOGNIZING CITIES FOR THEIR MULTIMODAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND PROGRAMS. SO IT BECAME A BRONZE LEVEL BICYCLE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY IN 2011 AND A SILVER LEVEL IN 2015. THAT OCCURRED BECAUSE OF OUR INCREDIBLE TRAIL SYSTEM, OUR BIKE LANES, OUR BIKE PARK, UH, ALL THE WORK DONE BY, UH, ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE VER VALLEY CYCLISTS, UH, FRIENDS OF THE FOREST THAT, SO IN THE RED ROCK TRAIL FUND, UM, WE HAVE A MOUNTAIN BIKE PATROL, WE HAVE BIKE CLUBS AT, UH, HIGH SCHOOL AND WEST SEDONA. SO THERE'S A LOT GOING ON. UH, 30 YEARS AGO THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. UM, 30 YEARS AGO WE HAD MAYBE A HUNDRED MILES OF TRAILS, AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF OPEN SPACE BETWEEN PROPERTIES. PEOPLE USED TO CUT THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY TO GET TO THE TRAILS, TO GET TO THE FOREST. UM, AND THAT CREATED A LOT OF SOCIAL TRAILS. UM, OVER TIME, THERE WERE A LOT OF CONFLICTS THAT CAME TO A HEAD ABOUT 13 YEARS AGO, AND THE CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME ASKED ME AND, UH, CITY COUNCILOR NAMED CLIFF HAMILTON AT THE TIME, TO LOOK AROUND SEDONA, SEE WHERE PEOPLE WERE CROSSING PRIVATE LAND TO ACCESS THE FOREST, REACH OUT TO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS AND SEE IF WE COULD, UH, GET AN EASEMENT. AND SO WE DID THAT. UH, THE CITY PAID FOR EASEMENTS. UH, WE DIDN'T GET, WE GOT A FEW EASEMENTS. WE DIDN'T GET ALL THE ONES WE WANTED. UM, WE, THE CITY WASN'T GONNA CONDEMN ANY PROPERTY. WE WERE JUST, UH, LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS. BUT THE REASON I TELL YOU THIS STORY IS THAT, UH, THE TRAILS ARE, ARE PART OF OUR CITY INFRASTRUCTURE, TRAILS, NEIGHBORHOOD, ACCESS TO THE FOREST. UH, TRAIL HEADS ARE JUST LIKE CITY STREETS AND CITY SIDEWALKS. THEY'RE PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE WE NEED A, UM, PERSON ON CITY STAFF DEDICATED TO THE TRAILS. UM, CAN VOLUNTEER AT THE BIKE, CAN GET VOLUNTEERS TO WORK AT THE BIKE PARK TO HELP MAINTAIN IT. SO I, UH, SUPPORT THE, UH, WHAT TRACY SAID ABOUT, UH, HAVING A PERMANENT, UH, CITY PERSON FOR TRAILS ADVOCACY. AND THEY CAN ALSO UPDATE THE BIKE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY APPLICATION, WHICH NEEDS TO BE DONE EVERY FOUR YEARS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DUCK. AND THANKS FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THIS COMMUNITY IN THE PAST. OKAY, EVAN, WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL COYNE. MICHAEL, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY. OKAY. UM, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS EV. PLEASE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE. YES, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. UH, EVAN POYA, SEDONA, ARIZONA. SO MY NAME IS EVAN POYA AND I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS NOW. I'M FORTUNATE TO BE A SEDONA HOMEOWNER, AND MY WIFE AND I RUN A SMALL BUSINESS IN SEDONA CALLED THE SEDONA MOUNTAIN BIKE ACADEMY. HOWEVER, MOST RELEVANT FOR TODAY, I ALSO VOLUNTEER MY TIME WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA ON THE BICYCLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. LIKE MANY OF US, I MOVED TO SEDONA BECAUSE OF THE NATURAL BEAUTY AND WORLD CLASS TRAILS. OVER MY 10 YEARS OF LIVING HERE, I HAVE SEEN SUCCESS AND GROWTH FROM SEDONA AS A BICYCLE FRIENDLY CITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND ATTENTION TO OUR NEEDS. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I STARTED VOLUNTEERING WITH THE CITY BECAUSE I KNOW WE CAN DO BETTER. OUR MULTIMODAL PATHWAYS IN SEDONA ARE SEGMENTED AND COMPLETE AND IN NEED OF IMPROVEMENT. AS CYCLISTS, HIKERS, AND COMMUTERS, WE ARE CONSTANTLY HOPPING OFF OF WHAT PATHWAYS EXIST INTO TRAFFIC [00:40:01] IN ORDER TO REACH OTHER PARTS OF TOWN. I HAVE LIVED IN BOULDER, COLORADO, VAIL, COLORADO, AND EVEN DALLAS, TEXAS. ALL OF THESE LOCATIONS OFFER ROBUST MULTIMODAL PATHWAYS THAT CONNECT ONE END OF TOWN TO THE OTHER PATHWAYS WHERE STUDENTS CAN SAFELY RIDE TO SCHOOL OFF OF BUSY ROADS. IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE HONEST WITH OURSELVES THAT SEDONA DOES NOT HAVE THIS. TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO TWO WAYS WE CAN TAKE ACTION. THE FIRST IS TO HIRE A FULL-TIME TRAIL AND BIKE PARK COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. SEDONA IS THE LEADER IN THE OUTDOOR RECREATION INDUSTRY AND THE CITY'S ATTENTION TO RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES, CONNECTIVITY AND FACILITY MAINTENANCE IS CRITICAL. THE SEDONA BIKE PARK IS NO LONGER A ONE MAN PART-TIME JOB. SEDONA NEEDS FULL-TIME, A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE TO KEEP UP WITH THE MAINTENANCE AND SAFETY STANDARDS OF THIS ROBUST PARK. SOMEONE WHO IS CAPABLE OF ORGANIZING AND LEADING TEAMS OF VOLUNTEERS. THIS POSITION WILL WORK CLOSELY WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND THE FOREST SERVICE TO MAKE SURE THAT MISTAKES ARE NOT MADE WHEN CONNECTING FUTURE PROJECTS TO NEIGHBORING TRAILS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT MOST CITY EMPLOYEES DO NOT LIVE IN SEDONA, AND A LOCAL EXPERIENCED TRAIL BUILDER WOULD BE OF HIGH VALUE. THE SECOND, THE SECOND ACTION WE CAN TAKE IS FOR THE COUNCIL TO TRULY UNDERSTAND HOW PRIORITIZING OUR MULTIMODAL PATHWAYS WILL HELP THE COMMUNITY. SO I AM HERE TODAY WITH AN ASK FOR THE COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU ON A BIKE RIDE. UH, WE CAN START HERE AT CITY HALL AND WE CAN RIDE E-BIKES TO POSSE GROUND CITY PARK. NO EXPERIENCE NEEDED. YOU CAN JUST COME ALONG. UH, ON THIS ADVENTURE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE FIRSTHAND WHERE OUR PATHWAYS HAVE EXCEEDED AND WHERE WE STILL NEED WORK. UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SOME NICE, NICE MOMENTUM WITH NEW PATHWAYS BEING ESTABLISHED ON ANTE AND SHELBY DRIVE. I WOULD LIKE TO URGE THE COUNCIL TO KEEP PUSHING THESE PROJECTS THROUGH KNOWING THEY WILL ALWAYS RECEIVE OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, MICHAEL, WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, RIVER FREDERICO VALDEZ, ARE YOU HERE? YEAH, RIGHT HERE. OKAY. OKAY. HI, I'M MIKE COYNE, AND I'LL BE VERY BRIEF. I FIRST WANNA SAY THAT I, YOU YOU LIVE WHERE? YEAH. SEDONA. THANK YOU. I, I WANNA SAY THAT I ENTIRELY SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT TRACY JUST SAID AND THAT EVAN SAID. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE THE POINT THAT THE TRAILS HERE IN SEDONA ARE A CROWN JEWEL. THIS IS WHY I'M HERE. THIS IS WHY MANY OF MY FRIENDS ARE HERE. AND I THINK IT'S A MAJOR FINANCIAL DRIVER IN SEDONA. AND NOT ONLY THAT, IT'S A SOURCE OF PEACE, IT'S A SOURCE OF WELLNESS, THESE TRAILS. UM, AND I JUST BELIEVE THAT AS A CITY, WE NEED TO GIVE THEM THE RESPECT THEY DESERVE. AND THAT INCLUDES THE FINANCIAL BACKBONE TO KEEP OUR TRAILS AND PROTECT OUR TRAILS. AND I THINK, UH, CREATING THIS POSITION WITHIN THE CITY IS A VERY IMPORTANT STEP IN THAT DIRECTION. THANK YOU. HEY, THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE, NOW IT'S RIVER FEDERICO, AND THEN I HAVE FEDERICO VALDEZ. IS THAT TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. HI, MY NAME IS RIVER VALDEZ AND I LIVE IN SEDONA, ARIZONA. I'M 17 YEARS OLD AND MY FAMILY MOVED TO SEDONA WHEN I WAS FOUR. I'M A TWO TIME ARIZONA MOUNTAIN BIKE STATE CHAMPION, AND CURRENTLY THE NUMBER ONE JUNIOR CYCLIST IN THE US IN JANUARY, . THANK YOU. IN JANUARY, I'LL BE RANKED NUMBER THREE IN THE WORLD BY THE UCI. I'VE RACED ACROSS THE US PUERTO RICO, AND EUROPE PROUDLY REPRESENTING THE USA. AFTER TRAVELING TO EXOTIC CYCLING DESTINATIONS, I CAN SAY SEDONA FALLS SHORT IN PROVIDING SAFE TRAIL ACCESS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT SONSONA ROADS ARE USED BY EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF AGE OR SKILL LEVEL. IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE A FATAL ACCIDENT OCCURS. BUT HAVING A DEDICATED TRAIL COORDINATOR COULD SAVE LIVES. PERHAPS MY OWN SON'S MOUNTAIN BIKE, MOUNTAIN BIKING TRAILS ARE WORLD CLASS, HOWEVER, SAFELY ACCESSING AND CONNECTING THESE TRAILS IS NOT POSSIBLE IN THE CURRENT STATE. AS FOR ROAD CYCLING, IT'S A DISASTER. THE COMBINATION OF OLDER DRIVERS AND DISTRACTED TOURISTS CREATES A DANGEROUS ROAD ENVIRONMENT. MY BIKE IS LIT UP. I WEAR MY USA CLOTHES TO STAND OUT AND MY DAD OFTEN RIDES WITH ME. EVEN WITH THESE PRECAUTIONS, I HAVE TO STAY HYPERVIGILANT. UNFORTUNATELY, I NEED TO SPEND HALF MY TRAINING RIDES ON THE ROAD. I NEVER LOOK FORWARD TO THESE RIDES SINCE THE SAFETY IMPLICATIONS ARE JUST TOO SIGNIFICANT. WHEN I WAS 10, BOTH MY PARENTS WERE HIT BY A UPS TRUCK WHILE RIDING ON HIGHWAY 1 79. THEY SURVIVED, BUT MANY AREN'T SO LUCKY. JUST THREE WEEKS AGO, A 14-YEAR-OLD FELLOW RACER [00:45:01] WAS KILLED NEAR HIS HOME. IN PRESCOTT. TRAGEDIES LIKE THESE SHOULDN'T BE THE CATALYST FOR CHANGE. I FEEL SAFE AND INSPIRED TO RIDE IN CITIES WITH THOUGHTFUL PLANNING AND CYCLING INFRASTRUCTURE. I OFTEN THINK, WHY CAN'T SEDONA DO THIS? I KNOW SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE VVCC HERE TONIGHT WHO HAVE AWESOME IDEAS ON IMPROVING SEDONAS OUTDOOR EXPERIENCES, REDUCING TRAFFIC AND ELIMINATING TRAIL CONGESTION. THEY JUST NEED THE CITY TO WORK WITH THEM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THAT WAS VERY NICE. OKAY, NOW, FEDERICO VALDEZ WILL BE FOLLOWED BY LARS ROMACK MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, I'M FREDDY VALDEZ. I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA. I'M HERE TODAY TO DESCRIBE WHAT IT'S LIKE RAISING A KID LIKE RIVER WHO'S A CYCLIST HERE. AND IT PAINS ME TO SAY THIS, BUT IT'S, IT'S SUPER STRESSFUL. UM, MY WIFE AND I ARE PROUD OF HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS BOTH ON, ON AND OFF THE BIKE. HE'S A GOOD STUDENT AND DOES A LOT OF VOLUNTEERING FOR THE CITY. NOT BECAUSE WE TELL HIM TO, BUT 'CAUSE HE WANTS TO. THAT SAID, WE'RE, AND THIS IS JUST BUMS ME OUT, BUT WE'RE COUNTING DOWN THE DAYS UNTIL HE LEAVES FOR COLLEGE. AND THE REASON IS, IS WE'RE ACUTELY AWARE OF HOW DANGER DANGEROUS IT IS. RIDING HERE IN SEDONA, LIKE RIVER MENTIONED, MY WIFE AND I WERE BOTH HIT ON HIGHWAY 1 79 FOR THE CITY. FOR A CITY BUILT AROUND ITS BEAUTY. SEDONA NEEDS TO DO A BETTER JOB OF GETTING CITIZENS AND ITS TOURISTS TO ITS WORLD CLASS TRAILS SAFELY RIGHT NOW. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET TO TRAILS LINK THEM OR COMMUTE ACROSS TOWN WITHOUT RISKING YOUR LIFE ON 89 A OR 1 79. AS AN ARCHITECT WITH MASTER PLANNING EXPERIENCE, I SEE THE CITY PRIORITIZING PROGRAMS THAT DON'T FULLY SOLVE SEDONAS PARKING AND TRAFFIC ISSUES. LOTS OF RESOURCES ARE BEING PUT TOWARDS THE CURRENT SHUTTLE SYSTEM, WHICH SOLELY RELIES ON PEOPLE DRIVING PARKING TO PARKING LOTS AND THEN RIDING BUSES TO GET TO THE TRAILS. UH, THIS IS HELPFUL, BUT EQUALLY IMPORTANT IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, IS TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION THAT TAKES VEHICLES OUT OF THE EQUATION. UM, SINCE SEDONA IS A SMALL TOWN WITH NICE WEATHER, THE CITY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A CITYWIDE PATHWAY TO CONNECT LOCALS AND VISITORS TO TRAILS. BY WALKING AND BIKING, THIS WILL REDUCE CONGESTION, ENHANCE SAFETY, AND MAKES SEDONA A PLACE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO COME BACK TO. UM, THIS IS NOT AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK. THE CITY HAS TALENTED PEOPLE READY TO HELP. THERE'S A WHOLE ROOM, UH, IN TO TONIGHT THAT ARE WILLING AND READY TO HELP. THEY JUST NEED TO BE GIVEN THE CHANCE. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A DEDICATED FULL-TIME TRAILS COORDINATOR TO LEAD THE EFFORT. UM, A PERSON ON THE INSIDE LIKE HAS BEEN SAID TO PULL, PULL THIS ALL TOGETHER, COORDINATE THE VARIOUS AGENCIES, MUNICIPALITIES, THE COUNTIES, AND CRAFT A THOUGHTFUL AND SUSTAINABLE SOLUTION. LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO SAY, I KNOW COUNCIL HAS CONCERNS ABOUT ADDING NEW STAFF. I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GETTING SOME PUSHBACK. UM, AND I'VE HAD THOSE CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THAT TOO. BUT THIS POSITION DIRECTLY BENEFITS ALL OF SEDONA RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. UM, THIS ISN'T A FRIVOLOUS REQUEST. IT'S BACKED BY LOCALS AND NON-PROFIT GRASSROOT ORGANIZATIONS WITH, WITH EXPERTS THAT ARE EAGER TO HELP. SEDONA DESERVES A FUTURE WHERE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS CAN CONNECT TO THE TRAIL SAFELY AND THOUGHTFULLY AND NOT HAVE TO RELY ON A CAR TO DO IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MARK. AND, UH, THE LAWS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY CHRISTINE REINER. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. MY NAME'S LARS ROMIG. I'M A RESIDENT OVER IN THE CHAPEL AREA. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR COUNCILORS AND VICE MAYOR FOR HAVING ME WITH TIME. UH, I AGREE WITH TRACY RIVER, FREDDY, MIKE, ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ON THAT STUFF. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OTHER BENEFITS THAT IN RELATION TO THIS POSITION. AND A REALLY BIG ONE TO ME IS CONTINUITY OF THE LONGER VISION OF THE TRAIL SYSTEM. THE FOREST SERVICE IS A GREAT ORGANIZATION, NATIONAL STRONG IN HOW THEY DO THIS, BUT THEY DO HAVE ONE FLAW IS THAT THERE IS A LOT OF TURNOVER. THAT ORGANIZATION HAS PEOPLE THAT LOVE TO TRAVEL AND GO DIFFERENT PLACES. AND IS MY TIME, 20 YEARS OF VOLUNTEERING WITH THE VERDE SEX COALITION? I HAVE SEEN NUMEROUS POSITIONS CHANGE OVER AND THOSE RELATIONSHIPS HAVE TO BE RE-ESTABLISHED. INFORMATION HAS TO BE FED TO THEM. WHERE, WHERE THE CITY, I SEE A LOT LESS TURNOVER OVER THE YEARS OF THE CITY STAFF. AND SOMEBODY IN THAT POSITION WOULD REALLY HELP CARRY CONTINUITY TO WORK WITH KEVIN KOOL. AND WE HAVE GREAT STAFF CURRENTLY BETWEEN KEVIN, ALEX, SCHULER, PHILLIP, WALL, ROD, UM, AND THAT, BUT IF THEY LEAVE AND MOVE ON AND PROMOTE, THAT'S THE NATURE OF THAT ORGANIZATION THAT THEY MOVE ON TO A LOT OF TIMES A DIFFERENT FOREST. SO HAVING [00:50:01] THE TRAILS POSITION HERE WOULD HELP KEEP THAT CONTINUITY GOING AND HAVE LOCAL KNOWLEDGE, ESPECIALLY HELPING PASS THAT KNOWLEDGE BACK TO CITY STAFF WORKING ON PROJECTS THAT CONNECT WITH IT. THAT'S THE NEXT POINT IS COORDINATION. UM, THE REST OF THE CITY STAFF AND ALL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS DOESN'T HAVE TO GET THE INFORMATION SECONDHAND. THEY CAN GET THAT WITH SOMEBODY THAT'S PLUGGED IN DIRECTLY WITH WORKING WITH THE FOREST SERVICE AND COORDINATING, AS WELL AS WORKING ON THOSE PROJECTS WITHIN CITY LIMITS THAT WOULD BUTT UP TO THAT TO HAVE BETTER CONTINUITY. AND THE PLANNING, AGAIN, THIS, THE PLANNING FOR THESE, THESE SOLUTIONS THAT FREDDY AND RIVER TALKED TO ABOUT HOW THIS WHOLE SYSTEM GETS BROUGHT UP TO CONNECT THE WORLD CLASS TRAILS TO THE SOMEWHAT NOT QUITE THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE ON IN CITY REQUIRES A 30,000 FOOT VIEW TO NOT LOOK AT JUST THE CITY BOUNDARY AND LOOK AT HOW DO PEOPLE RECREATE AND MOVE ABOUT THE WHOLE SYSTEM. AND THAT NEEDS TO BE CONTIGUOUS. SO WHEN YOU'RE A USER, WE DON'T THINK ABOUT THE CITY LIMITS ON THAT. WE GO FOR A RIDE, I GO RIDE THROUGH A BUNCH OF STUFF IN CITY TO CONNECT TO THE TRAILS OUT TO DRY CREEK, OUT OF CITY LIMITS BACK IN. SO A LOT OF THESE LITTLE THINGS HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED, AND I KNOW STAFF DOESN'T TRIES TO DO THIS, BUT THEIR CAPACITY IS TAKEN UP BY OTHER DEPARTMENTS. THIS DEDICATED PERSON WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THE CAPACITY TO REALLY SOLELY FOCUS ON THAT PIECE AND NOT HAVE IT IN ADDITION TO ALL THEIR OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES. UM, LASTLY, OTHER THAN THIS, I'LL JUST REITERATE A POINT OF TRACY'S ON HERE, IS THAT THE AMOUNT OF WORK ASSOCIATED WITH THIS IS BIG. I MEAN, THE AMOUNT OF MEETINGS THAT I PERSONALLY GO TO AND TRACY GOES TO BETWEEN THE VERDE FRONT WORKING GROUP, ALL THE DIFFERENT NONPROFITS TRYING TO COORDINATE BETWEEN THE RED ROCK TRAIL FUND, VVCC, THE FRIENDS OF THE FOREST, THERE'S SO MUCH TIME TO BE SPENT ON THAT. THIS WOULD ALLOW THAT PERSON TO REALLY FOCUS AND HAVE THE WHOLE PICTURE. THANK YOU. LOUIS. CHRISTINE RAINER WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JOHN KIRSHNER, WHO'S OUR LAST SPEAKER. IF ANYONE ELSE WISH WISHES TO, UH, SHARE THEIR CONCERNS OR OPINIONS ON THIS TOPIC, NOW IS THE TIME TO FILL OUT A CARD. OTHERWISE, UH, JOHN WILL BE THE LAST PERSON. SO CHRISTINE, YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. MY NAME IS CHRISTINE REINER AND I LIVE IN WEST SEDONA AT AND YEAH. OKAY. UM, AT ONE OF THE, UM, BUSIEST SPOTS IN WEST SEDONA AT THE SOLDIER PASS TRAILHEAD. MY HUSBAND IS THE GATE CODE KEEPER AND WORKS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FOREST SERVICE TO MAINTAIN THOSE DOUBLE GATES. AND, UM, WE MOVED HERE BECAUSE OF THE TRAILS. THEY'RE WONDERFUL. WERE MOUNTAIN BIKERS. WE WERE ROADIES, UM, YOU KNOW, ROAD CYCLISTS PRIOR TO THIS. WE HAD NO IDEA WE WERE GIVING UP OUR ROAD CYCLING. WE 100% SWITCHED TO MOUNTAIN BIKES. UM, BUT THAT WAS A COMPLETE SHOCK. BUT WE DID MOVE HERE FOR THE TRAILS. UM, SINCE I LIVE AT ONE OF THE BIGGEST VORTEXES, UM, OF THE COMBINING OF HOA, UM, JEEPS PRIVATE, UH, PRIVATE OFF-ROAD VEHICLES, UM, THERE'S 12 PASSES A DAY THAT CAN GET THROUGH THOSE TWO GATES. UM, AND THEN THE BUSES ARE DROPPING OFF 25 AT A TIME EVERY 50 MINUTES, UM, FOUR DAYS A WEEK. WE'RE HOPING FOR SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. UM, AND THEN WE ALSO WATCH THE, UM, CYCLISTS COME THROUGH THESE NARROW TRAILS ALL COMING TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME. WE ALSO HAVE THIS ELECTRIC GATE THAT IS, UM, WE'VE TRIED TO PUT ROPE AND PROTECT IT, AND IT'S QUITE HAZARDOUS AS THERE'S CHILDREN HANGING OUT, UM, WAITING FOR THE SHUTTLE. UM, THERE CAN BE SIX, UM, 30 PEOPLE WAITING FOR THE SHUTTLE SHUTTLE AND 30 PEOPLE GETTING OFF THE SHUTTLE. I'VE COUNTED AS MANY AS 32, UM, PEOPLE. AND I KNOW THAT PROBLEM HAS BEEN SOLVED AND REDUCED TO A LIMIT OF 25 PER DROP OFF. AND, UM, AND THEN CERTAIN TIMES A YEAR ARE OF COURSE BUSIER THAN OTHERS. AND WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE IN A BUSY TIME NOW. UM, SO WE LIVE AND BREATHE THIS EVERY DAY. AND I'M AN AVID MOUNTAIN BIKER PART OF THE, UM, MOUNTAIN OR THE, UM, BRO VALLEY CYCLING COALITION. AND, UM, JUST WANNA, UM, SUPPORT TRACY'S, UM, SUGGESTION FOR A VERY QUALIFIED, UM, TRAILS COORDINATOR. I ALSO E-BIKE, UM, TO GET OUT OF MY HOUSE, UM, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO GET MY CAR OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY. UM, SO I USE THE ROADS, THE, THESE MULTI-USE PATHS, WHICH ARE AMAZING, BUT VERY HARD FOR PEOPLE TO IDENTIFY. I ALSO COME HOME IN THE DARK. UM, I'M A REGISTERED NURSE AT THE SEDONA ER AND I HAVE TO WATCH VERY CLOSELY AS I PARALLEL THE [00:55:01] SEDONA TRAILS, UM, THE MULTI-USE PATH, UM, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T SEE THE PATH AT NIGHT. THEY WALK ON ALL SIDES ALONG WITH THE WILD ANIMALS. AND, UM, ANYWAY, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO US AT THE SEDONA, UM, OR THE, UM, SOLDIER PASS TRAILHEAD. AND WE THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. AGAIN, OUR LAST SPEAKER WILL BE JOHN KIRSCHNER. JOHN, YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. UM, JOHN KIRSCHNER. UM, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT, SEDONA FOR THE LAST PICK THE MIC UP. THANK YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I'M JOHN KIRSCHNER. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF WEST SEDONA FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS. I MOVED HERE BECAUSE OF THE MOUNTAIN BIKING. UM, I ALSO HAVE A 10 MONTH OLD OR 11 MONTH OLD NOW SON, A 10-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER. UH, I TAKE THEM MOUNTAIN BIKING AS MUCH AS I CAN. WE USE THE URBAN TRAILS HERE. UM, AND I'M JUST HERE TO VOICE MY, UH, SUPPORT FOR THIS, UH, SOMEBODY THAT CAN FOCUS IN THE CITY ON SAFE ACCESS, UH, LINKING THINGS PROPERLY. AND, UM, WHEN I GO TO PLACES, UH, PLACES IN COLORADO OR PLACES, UH, IN CALIFORNIA THAT I'VE BEEN, THAT HAVE REALLY, UM, AMAZING TRAILS AND ACCESS TO DIFFERENT TRAILS AND THEN BIKE PATHWAYS THAT GO THROUGH THE TOWN, THOSE ARE ALWAYS REALLY AMAZING CITIES. THEY'RE FUN. THERE'S COMMUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE BUILT THE SANBORN PATHWAY THERE AND, UM, TO SEE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THAT IS AMAZING. UM, AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BENEFIT THE CITY IMMENSELY TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WOULD FOCUS ON THAT AND HELP CREATE, UH, A BETTER, MORE BIKE CENTRIC, UH, COMMUNITY. UM, BECAUSE THERE'S REAL VALUE THERE AND THAT'S ALL. ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THAT WILL, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM AND WE'LL MOVE OUT TO MOVE [7.a. Recognition of Police Department Community Services Aide Jack Ross. ] ON TO ITEM SEVEN, PROCLAMATIONS RECOGNITIONS AND AWARD. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE ASKED FOR TO RECOGNIZE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT, COMMUNITY SERVICE, A JACK ROSS. SO JACK, IF YOU'LL STEP UP. OKAY. JACK, WHY DON'T YOU STAND OVER HERE WITH ME? YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE . OKAY. SO FOR THE, I KNOW MOST OF THE ENTIRE COUNCIL WILL KNOW JACK ROSS. HE'S NORMALLY IN A, IN A, UH, VERY BRIGHT YELLOW SHIRT, WORKING FOR THE CITY, DOING A LOT OF HARD WORK, AND HE'S ALWAYS A SEE THAT SMILE. HE HAS THAT SMILE EVERY TIME WE SEE JACK AROUND THE CITY. AND JACK'S DESIRE TO RETIRE FROM VOLUNTEERING FROM OUR CITY. AND I HAD A FEW WORDS FOR JACK JUST TO RECOGNIZE HIM. UH, JACK ROSS IS AFFECTIONATELY KNOWN BY HIS COWORKERS AS CAPTAIN JACK. HE HAS SERVED OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES AID FOR THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT SINCE APRIL 22, TILL THIS, UH, DECEMBER 3RD OF THIS YEAR. IN HIS ROLE, JACK ASSISTED PARKING MANAGEMENT IN UPTOWN AND TRAIL AREAS OF SEDONA AND PERFORMED A VARIETY AND OTHER DUTIES INCLUDING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT INITIATIVES AND TRAFFIC CONTROL. AND HE DOES COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. HE DOES ENGAGE OUR COMMUNITY. SO JACK GREW UP JUST SOUTH OF BOSTON BEFORE MOVING ON TO SERVE HIS COUNTRY AS A NAVY CARRIER PILOT. PRETTY COOL. RIGHT AFTER HIS MILITARY CAREER, JACK HAD A FULFILLING CAREER AS A COMMERCIAL AIRLINE PILOT AND RETIRED APPROXIMATELY FIVE YEARS AGO FROM DELTA AIRLINES. JACK CURRENTLY LIVES IN THE VILLAGE ROAD CREEK WITH HIS WIFE KAELA. UH, WHO IS HERE? WHERE ARE YOU? OH, THERE YOU ARE. OKAY. YOU WERE BEHIND TERRY. I DIDN'T SEE YOU WHEN IN THE AUDIENCE. OKAY. UH, JACK CONTINUES TO GIVE BACK TO HIS COMMUNITY THROUGH HIS PARTICIPATION IN SAFECO, WHICH THIS COMMUNITY IS IN INDEBTED TO YOU FOR BEING PART OF, UH, SAFECO. THAT'S THE, UH, SEDONA AREA VETERANS COMMUNITY OUTREACH. THEY'RE THE GROUP THAT DOES A LOT FOR OUR MILITARY AND THEY PUT UP OUR FLAGS AND TAKE THEM DOWN ON 89 A AS WELL AS, UH, MANY, MANY OTHER PROJECTS HERE IN THE CITY. SO, UH, YEAH, JACK HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO HELPING VETERANS IN NEED AND PROVIDING FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO OTHER NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. UH, WHEN ASKED WHAT HE ENJOYED MOST ABOUT HIS TIME WITH THE CSA, HE SAID THE INVOLVEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY AND INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE. AND THAT'S WHAT JACK HAS DONE HIS ENTIRE TIME WITH OUR CITY. SO HE HAS MET PEOPLE [01:00:01] ALL OVER THE WORLD AND HAD THAT SMILEY FACE FOR ALL OF THEM AND HELPFUL. SO IT, IT, IT GIVES, UH, IT ALSO GIVES HIM A GLIMPSE INTO THE LIVES OF A SON-IN-LAW, A SON AND SON-IN-LAW WHO ARE BOTH LAS VEGAS METRO POLICE OFFICERS. SO I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT JUST TO PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR OUR CITY TO, AND TO BE A PERSONAL FRIEND OF MINE. AND I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR US. SO THANK YOU. HANDSHAKE. OH, HANDSHAKE. OH, I THOUGHT YOU TELL ME TO SUCK MY BELLY. . I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT. THAT NO, I WAS THINKING THAT. THANK YOU JACK. JACK. THANK YOU JACK. JACK, THANK ALL OF YOU. WANNA SAY A FEW WORDS, JACK? I DO. I I WOULD LIKE THAT. I, I WAS, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU COUNSEL. UH, UH, CHIEF FOLEY, THANKS FOR ACCEPTING ME INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT WAS, UH, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO BE THERE. IT WAS LIKE A TOUR OF DUTY FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS. UH, VERY ENJOYABLE OPEN DOOR POLICY, WHICH WAS VERY HELPFUL WHEN A LOW LEVEL GUY LIKE ME COULD GO IN AND AIR SOME CONCERNS AND THOUGHTS AND EVERYTHING. AND, UH, THE PEOPLE OF SEDONA WHO ARE WONDERFUL AS WELL AS THE VISITORS WE HAVE HERE, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT DEAL. I UNDERSTAND THE BIKERS AND YOUR, YOUR GOAL TO GET SOMEONE IN THERE TO RUN THAT THING AND CONNECT THINGS ON A BETTER LEVEL. MAYOR, THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, ITEM [8.a. AB 3158 Discussion/presentation by USFS Red Rock District Ranger, Alex Schlueter regarding USFS Red Rock District Ranger’s priorities.] EIGHT, REGULAR BUSINESS ITEM, A AB 31 58 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE PRESENTATION BY THE US RED ROCK RANGER, ALEX, UH, SCHLUTER, UH, REGARDING THE US FOREST SERVICE, RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT PRIORITIES UP AT THE TABLE IF YOU WANT, IF THAT'S, IF YOU'RE FINE WITH THAT, JUST SPEAK INTO THE MIC. YEAH. CAN EITHER RUN IT BY THIS, YOU CAN JUST RUN, STICK WITH THE LAPTOP. OKAY. BE SIMPLER. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? WE CAN. SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE THANK YOUS. FIRST OF ALL, UM, FIRST THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME. UH, I MENTIONED TO THE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER THIS MORNING THAT I'M RELATIVELY NEW IN THIS ROLE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO IMPROVE IS, FIRST, INTERNALLY, US SETTING OUR PRIORITIES. WE'RE PULLED IN A MILLION DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, SO SETTING THEM AND FIGURING THEM OUT EARLY ON. AND THEN IMPORTANT FOR YOU ALL, COMMUNICATING OUR PRIORITIES. SO THIS IS REALLY, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR US. SECOND, THANKS FOR LETTING ME GO FIRST. MY DOG AND MY GIRLFRIEND ARE VERY GRATEFUL THAT I'LL BE HOME AT A REASONABLE TIME. UM, BUT YOU DIDN'T TELL ME THAT I'D BE FOLLOWING A CONCERT, THE NUMBER ONE JUNIOR BICYCLIST AND AN ACCOMPLISHED RETIREE. SO I'VE GOT A LOT TO, TO LIVE UP TO HERE. SO BEFORE I GET STARTED, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THIS, THIS IS A DENSE PRESENTATION. THERE'S A LOT IN HERE. SO IF YOU WANNA STOP ME, ASK QUESTIONS, ASK QUESTIONS AT THE END, OR IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ME BACK WITH SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS MORE ABOUT A SPECIFIC PROJECT THAN I DO, PLEASE DO JUST LET ME KNOW. MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO SO OR FOLLOW UP VIA EMAIL. WHATEVER WORKS FOR YOU ALL. ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA SET THE CONTEXT HERE BEFORE I GET STARTED ABOUT SPECIFIC PRIORITIES. SO A LOT OF FOLKS THINK ABOUT RECREATION WHEN THEY THINK ABOUT THE FOREST SERVICE BECAUSE TRAILS, AS WE'VE HEARD, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY THE ENTRYWAY TO OUR PUBLIC LANDS. AND THE NATIONAL FOREST SYSTEM HAS A BUNCH OF TRAILS. AND HERE WE HAVE, I WOULD SAY, THE BEST TRAILS IN THE COUNTRY. UH, BUT BEYOND RECREATION, WE HAVE A MANDATE FROM CONGRESS, OUR ENTIRE ORGANIZATION TO MANAGE NOT JUST FOR RECREATION, BUT FOR OTHER RESOURCES, INCLUDING RANGE TIMBER, WATERSHED, WILDLIFE, AND FISH AND WILDERNESS. IT SAYS IN THOSE, THESE TWO LAWS CITED AT THE BOTTOM THAT THIS IS WHAT WE MUST DO. AND WE DO NOT HAVE A NATIONAL RECREATION AREA DESIGNATION OR A NATIONAL MONUMENT DESIGNATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT TELLS US TO PRIORITIZE ONE RESOURCE OVER ANOTHER. WE HAVE TO FIND A BALANCE BETWEEN ALL OF THESE RESOURCES. SO ALONG WITH, UM, FINDING THAT BALANCE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF WHAT WE CALL BASE WORK ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THESE. WHETHER IT'S ADMINISTERING PERMITS, WHETHER IT'S MONITORING THE, THE GRASS OUT IN THE FIELD FOR THE RAIN SHOP, UH, WHETHER IT'S MARKING TIMBER, UH, MONITORING ENDANGERED SPECIES, THREATENING ENDANGERED SPECIES. THAT TYPE OF WORK COMES BEFORE ANY NEW PROJECT THAT WE EVER TAKE ON. JUST, JUST KEEPING THINGS OPEN AND KEEPING AN EYE ON THEM IS, IS HUGE FOR US. AND IT'S, IT'S, IT TAKES A LOT OF OUR CAPACITY. SO [01:05:01] A COUPLE THINGS TO SET THE CONTEXT HERE. IT GOT MENTIONED IN SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM, FROM FOLKS SUPPORTING THE TRAIL POSITION. THE FOREST SERVICE RIGHT NOW IS IN A POOR POSITION WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGET. I THINK YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR, I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER EACH OF THE REASONS THAT ARE LISTED HERE, BUT I'LL TALK ABOUT OUR LOCAL IMPACTS. UM, BASED ON THE DECISION AT THE BOTTOM LISTED HERE THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AT A NATIONAL LEVEL. UM, THIS IS NATIONWIDE. THIS IS NOT JUST OUR DISTRICT THAT HAS MADE THESE DECISIONS. WE'VE BEEN TOLD FROM OUR WASHINGTON OFFICE NATIONWIDE THAT, THAT THESE ARE, UM, WHAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW. SO NO HIRING NON-FIRE, SEASONAL EMPLOYEES. ANYBODY FAMILIAR WITH THE FOREST SERVICE KNOWS THAT A LOT OF THE ON THE GROUND WORK GETS DONE BY SEASONAL EMPLOYEES. SO FOR US, THAT'S A HUGE HIT THIS WINTER, THANKS TO A COUPLE THINGS. I WOULD SAY LUCK AND PARTNERSHIP, WE'RE DOING OKAY, LUCK BECAUSE WE HAD SOME SEASONAL EMPLOYEES SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS, GET THEIR OFFICIAL OFFER BEFORE THAT DECISION WAS MADE, WHICH IS GREAT. I THINK IT WAS 11 EMPLOYEES. AND THEN PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE GENEROUS DONATION THAT THE CITY MAKES TO OUR TRAIL CREW EVERY YEAR. AND THE ORGANIZATION, SEDONA, RED ROCK TRAIL FUND AND WHEEL FUND, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RECRUIT AND, AND FIND A THIRD PARTY TRAIL CREW TO JOIN OUR EMPLOYEES. SO WE HAVE A FULL TRAIL CREW THIS WINTER, BUT COME NEXT SUMMER, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SO WE HAD 18 PEOPLE IN OUR DEVELOPED RECREATION SHOP. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT CLEAN THE TOILETS, THAT, THAT TAKE OUT THE TRASH, THAT CHECK ON THE SITES THAT, THAT DO THEIR BEST TO MANAGE THE PARKING. THIS SUMMER, WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING SEVEN OR EIGHT PEOPLE. SO, SO IT'S GONNA BE QUITE THE CHANGE. THAT'S A HUGE CUT FOR US. WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH PLANS HOW TO FILL THOSE GAPS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE YET. THE OTHER, UH, ITEM I WANTED TO KIND OF GO OVER IS A NATIONWIDE STRATEGY THAT IS THE FOREST SERVICE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR EVERY NATIONAL FOREST IN THE COUNTRY. AND THAT IS THE WILDFIRE CRISIS STRATEGY. FOR MANY YEARS, UH, THE FOREST SERVICE HAD A POLICY TO PUT EVERY WILDFIRE OUT BY 10:00 AM AND AND UP UNTIL I THINK ABOUT THE SEVENTIES, THAT WAS THE POLICY AND IT LED TO A LOT OF FUEL BUILDUP. IT LED TO A LOT OF OVERGROWTH OF FOREST. AND, AND THAT REALIZATION CAME THAT, THAT THERE ARE AREAS THAT REQUIRE FIRE TO, TO BE IN LINE WITH THE ECOSYSTEM, UH, THAT, THAT WE NEED. AND SO THAT, THAT CHANGED. WE DO PRESCRIBED FIRE, WE MANAGE FIRE A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY NOW. UM, AND USUALLY IT WAS FRAMED IN A RESTORATION CONTEXT. IT WAS TRYING TO RESTORE THOSE FIRE INTERVALS WHERE LET'S SAY IF ON AVERAGE HISTORICALLY OVER THE LAST THOUSAND YEARS THERE WAS A FIRE EVERY 30 YEARS WE WOULD TRY TO MIMIC SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, AND WE, WE STILL DO TRY TO RESTORE THE LANDSCAPE TO THOSE INTERVALS. ADDITIONALLY, SINCE THE WILDFIRE CRISIS STRATEGY WAS RELEASED A COUPLE YEARS AGO, IT'S THE AGENCY, IN MY OPINION, IT'S THE AGENCY RECOGNIZING THAT THE FOREST SERVICE HAS A ROLE TO PLAY IN COMMUNITY PROTECTION. A, A VERY EXPLICIT ROLE. WE'VE HAD DISASTERS NATIONWIDE WHERE A FIRE STARTED AND ROLLED THROUGH PUBLIC LANDS AND DEVASTATED COMMUNITY. AND WE HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY, TO DO OUR BEST TO GIVE US A BETTER CHANCE AT STOPPING THOSE FIRES. SO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE NATIONALLY, THERE ARE 21 SPECIFIC LANDSCAPES THAT THAT IS FOCUSED ON, AND A BIG IN INFLUX OF FUNDS THROUGH A COUPLE DIFFERENT LAWS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. ALLOWED US TO DO A LOT OF GOOD WORK ON THESE 21 LANDSCAPES LOCALLY. ONE OF THOSE LANDSCAPES IS THE FOUR FOREST RESTORATION INITIATIVE OUTLINED HERE. IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE KAIBAB, THE COCONINO, THE TONTO, AND THE APACHE SICK GREAVES NATIONAL FOREST. SO THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE THAT WE'RE IN. AND UH, AND THAT IS OUR NUMBER ONE FOCUS IS REDUCING FUELS, UH, THROUGH BOTH FIRE MANAGEMENT AND TIMBER SALES. SO LET'S GET TO THE COCONINO. SO I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER THESE ONE, I'M NOT GONNA READ THEM TO YOU. YOU CAN SEE THEM UP THERE ON THE SCREEN. THE FIRST ONE IS A LITTLE BIT LESS RELEVANT TO THE RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT. UH, TIMBER SALES. WE DO HAVE A FEW UNITS OF TIMBER, UH, ON THE DISTRICT, BUT MOST OF WHAT WE CALL ARE MERCHANTABLE TIMBER IS IN WILDERNESS WHERE WE WOULD NOT SELL TIMBER. UM, BUT THE OTHER DISTRICTS OF THE COCONINO, THIS IS A LARGE FOCUS. SO THE IMPACT ON US IS REALLY WHEN THEY NEED SPECIALIST SUPPORT. SO WHEN THEY NEED A WILDLIFE BIOLOGIST TO HELP OUT, THEY DON'T NEED TO FILL THAT GAP OR, OR A, UH, HYDROLOGIST, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE MAY SEND STAFF UP TO HELP OTHER DISTRICTS PRIORITIES. TWO AND THREE HERE, AND I, AND I SHOULD BACK UP, THESE PRIORITIES COME STRAIGHT FROM OUR FOREST SUPERVISOR. HE ISSUES A LETTER ANNUALLY THAT OUTLINES HIS PRIORITIES FOR THE ENTIRE FOREST FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO THIS IS FISCAL YEAR 2025. HE ISSUED ONE IN APRIL. THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT BROADER THAN THIS, BUT ONCE WE LEARNED ABOUT OUR BUDGET, UM, CIRCUMSTANCES HE UPDATED THAT PARED IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO THESE FOUR. SO PRIORITIES TWO AND THREE, THIS IS WHERE THE RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT REALLY FITS. THE SECOND ONE IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ALL OPPORTUNITIES TO SAFELY USE FIRE. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO PRESCRIBED BURNING. UM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES WHEN THERE IS A WILDFIRE THAT WE CAN, IF IT'S IN A PLACE THAT WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN, WE CAN CONTAIN IT. [01:10:01] UM, WE WILL MANAGE IT FOR RESOURCE BENEFIT AGAIN TO, TO TRY TO RESTORE THOSE, THOSE FIRE INTERVALS THAT HISTORICALLY OCCURRED. AND THEN THE THIRD PRIORITY IS PROVIDING RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES. I MENTIONED GOING DOWN TO SEVEN OR EIGHT STAFF. UM, OUR FIRST PRIORITY, AND I'LL I'LL OUTLINE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON PROJECTS IS TO KEEP THINGS OPEN. I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT OUR, OUR PLAN'S GONNA BE TO FILL THOSE GAPS. BUT THERE ARE ARE CERTAIN PARTS OF OUR FOREST THAT ARE SENSITIVE ENOUGH THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO, TO MANAGE THOSE AREAS, UM, TO ENFORCE OUR LAWS AND REGULATIONS, WE MAY HAVE TO CLOSE THEM. UH, AND I'LL GET INTO EACH OF THESE WITH SPECIFIC PROJECTS. AND THEN THE LAST BULLET, UH, IS, IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT. IT'S FOCUSED ON OUR FLAGSTAFF RANGER DISTRICT. UM, SO YOU CAN READ IT THERE. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THAT. SO AS I GO, SOME OF THESE, I I GRADE OUT. IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PRIORITY, IT'S BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SEEM REAL RELEVANT TO THIS AUDIENCE. SO I HAVE IT LISTED, BUT I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THOSE PROJECTS. SO THE SECOND, UH, PRIORITY ABOUT WILDFIRE AND PRESCRIBED FIRE, JUST MANAGING FIRE IN GENERAL, EITHER ONE. WE'VE GOT A FEW PROJECTS THAT I THINK ARE VERY RELEVANT TO THE CITY OF SEDONA. SO IMPLEMENTING PRESCRIBED BURNS, THIS ONE, THIS, WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OUR PUBLIC COMMUNICATION THIS PAST FALL FOR PRESCRIBED BURNS IS IN THE BEGINNING OF THE BURN SEASON, WE HAD A NEWS RELEASE THAT OUTLINED A MAP WITH ALL OF OUR PLANNED BURNS ACROSS THE ENTIRE FOREST. UM, AND THEN EVERY WEEK ON MONDAY, WE DO ANOTHER NEWS RELEASE THAT, THAT SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS WEEK OR WHAT WE'RE PLANNING THIS WEEK. AND, AND SO IT GIVES THE PUBLIC AN IDEA OF, OF WHAT, WHERE THE, THE FIRES ARE. THEY CAN LOOK AT THE WIND DIRECTION ON A GIVEN DAY AND KIND OF PREDICT WHERE THAT SMOKE'S GONNA END UP. 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A HUGE IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTS, NOT ONLY OF SEDONA, BUT THE ENTIRE VERDE VALLEY. BUT I HIGHLIGHTED HERE, UH, A PHOTO, OH, IT'S A TOUCHSCREEN , A PHOTO OF THE MINT WEST PRESCRIBED BURN. THIS IS ONE THAT I WAS ON THIS FALL. UM, AND I HIGHLIGHTED HERE BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF ONE THAT IS, IS AIMED AT NOT ONLY RESTORATION, BUT COMMUNITY PROTECTION JUST NORTH OF THERE ALONG MORMON LAKE IS MORMON LAKE VILLAGE. AND THERE'S PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE YEAR ROUND. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE IN THE SUMMER, DURING WILDFIRE SEASON AND DOING THIS PRESCRIBED BURN TO THE SOUTH OF THAT AREA WHERE THE PREVAILING WINDS, IF THERE WERE A WILDFIRE, WOULD PUSH IT INTO THAT COMMUNITY. THIS WILL GIVE US A MUCH BETTER CHANCE TO CATCH A WILDFIRE IN THE FUTURE BEFORE IT GETS INTO THAT COMMUNITY AND BEFORE IT AFFECTS STRUCTURES. THAT BEING SAID, WHILE IT'S BURNING DURING THE DAY, WE HAVE THOSE PREVAILING WINDS GOING FROM THE SOUTHWEST TO THE NORTHEAST AND DISPERSING THAT SMOKE. BUT IF WE'RE NOT GETTING STRONG WINDS THAT DAY, SMOKE ACTS MORE LIKE WATER. ONCE IT, IT, IT, UH, COOLS DOWN AND IT WILL GO DOWN INTO THE RAVINES THAT OUR WATERWAYS ARE. AND THE VERDE VALLEY IS SPECIAL IN PART BECAUSE OF ALL THE WATERWAYS WE HAVE. AND SO THAT SMOKE WILL END UP GOING THROUGH MUN CANYON, THROUGH WOODS CANYON, UH, DOWN INTO CAMP VERDE. IT WILL GO TO THE LOWEST AREA AT NIGHT, AND THE WINDS OFTEN SHIFT THE OTHER DIRECTION AT NIGHT AS WELL. WE CAN'T PREVENT THAT. WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T REALLY CONTROL THAT. WE WORK WITH, WITH BOTH, UH, THE LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS TO UNDERSTAND WHEN EVENTS ARE PLANNED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IMPACTS WE MIGHT HAVE TO HELP OUR DECISION MAKING. BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE SMOKE IMPACTS IN THIS COMMUNITY IN THE VERDE VALLEY, UM, FOREVER, YOU KNOW, AS THESE, THESE EVENTS OCCUR. BUT THIS WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHERE CLEARLY IT'S FOR COMMUNITY PROTECTION. IT'S A CHALLENGE BECAUSE THE BENEFIT IS UP THERE. THE IMPACT IS DOWN HERE WHEN WE'RE BURNING. BUT I WANNA SAY THAT, THAT CONTINUING OUR PRESCRIBED BURNS IS, IS A MAJOR PRIORITY OF THE DISTRICT. THE SECOND PROJECT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WAS THE FOREST WIDE GRASSLANDS RESTORATION. AGAIN, LEANING INTO THAT RESTORATION GOAL, THERE ARE MANY, MANY AREAS, UH, IN THE COCONINO NATIONAL FORESTS THAT HISTORICALLY WERE GRASSLANDS AND NOW HAVE BEEN OVERGROWN, HAVE REALLY THICK JUNIPER, DENSER FOREST, UM, AREAS WHERE PRONGHORN, FOR EXAMPLE, HAVE HISTORICALLY ROAMED BUT NO LONGER DO BECAUSE THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE. 'CAUSE THEY USUALLY PREFER OPEN AREAS. AND SO THERE WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE PLANNING PROCESS OF A FOREST WIDE DECISION TO THIN OUT SOME OF THE OVERGROWTH AND TO RESTORE THOSE GRASSLANDS. WE STARTED WITH WHAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP HERE, THE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF GRASSLAND AND THE SEMI DESERT GRASSLAND IS WHAT IS PREDOMINANTLY IN OUR DISTRICT. UM, WE'RE GONNA CUT OUT SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE LOOKING AT CLIMATE CHANGE MODELING, WE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY GET GRASSLAND RESTORED. IF WE THINNED IT OUT, WE WOULD GET SOMETHING THAT'S SCRUB EAR AND MORE LIKE PHOENIX, WHICH I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS. UM, BUT AREAS WHERE WE THINK WE'LL BE SUCCESSFUL THROUGH, THROUGH HAND THINNING, THROUGH, UM, HAVING, UH, TIMBER REMOVED THROUGH MACHINERY OR THROUGH FIRE, THAT'S WHAT THIS PROJECT'S GONNA BE. SO IN A COUPLE YEARS, A YEAR TO TWO YEARS, I WOULD SAY WE'LL HAVE A DECISION AND THEN BE IMPLEMENTING THAT IN THE FUTURE. AND THEN LASTLY, THE BIG PARK COMMUNITY PROTECTION PLAN. I DON'T WANT THE NAME TO THROW YOU OFF BECAUSE [01:15:01] IT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE IT'S A CENTERED ONLY ON THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK, BUT THIS IS A RECOGNITION THAT THERE'S FIRE DANGER HERE. THE RISK OBJECTIVELY FROM OUR MODELING IS NOT THE SAME THAT WE HAVE IN FLAGSTAFF OR WE HAVE IN PRESCOTT, BUT THERE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A RISK OF A WILDFIRE ROLLING THROUGH AND PEAK CONDITIONS FOR BURNING THROUGH THE CITY OF SEDONA. SO ONE OF THE, THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE JUST STARTING TO GET THE PLANNING PROCESS STARTED, UM, IS POTENTIALLY HAVING PERMANENT FUEL BREAKS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SEDONA. AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK, THE PREVAILING WIND COMES FROM THE SOUTH, SOUTHWEST AND WEST. SO IF A WILDFIRE WERE TO START ON THAT SIDE, IT WOULD GIVE US A BETTER CHANCE TO CATCH THAT FIRE BEFORE IT GETS INTO THE COMMUNITY. SO JUST STARTING THOSE CONVERSATIONS, JUST STARTING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE USING OUR TOOLS, OUR MODELING TO COME UP WITH A PROPOSED ACTION. THERE WILL BE LOTS OF PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, COMMUNITY MEETINGS ABOUT THAT PROJECT, BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP ON IT. HOLD ON ONE SECOND, ALEX. YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. WHO ARE YOU IN DISCUSSION WITH OUTSIDE THE FOREST SERVICE ON THOSE ISSUES? SO WE'VE MENTIONED IT TO THE BIG PARK COUNCIL, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY FIRE MANAGEMENT, WE'VE TALKED TO A LOT BECAUSE ANYTHING WE DO, FIREWISE IS USUALLY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM, WITH PRESCRIBED BURNS. A DEQ, UM, IS ANOTHER PARTNER LESS INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT BURNING ITSELF, IT'S ACTUALLY JUST CLEARING. UM, BUT WE'VE GOT MANY PARTNERS THAT WE ARE GONNA DEPEND ON TO IMPLEMENT AND MAINTAIN SOMETHING LIKE THIS. SO, SO, UH, THE OTHER, I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SAY IT DEPENDS HOW YOU DEFINE PARTNER, BUT THIS IS AN ASK THAT'S BEEN HAD FROM MANY HOAS WHEN PEOPLE FOLLOW OUR FIREWISE RECOMMENDATIONS AND TREAT AREAS IN THEIR YARD AND WHATNOT AND REDUCE FIRE RISK THERE, OFTENTIMES YOU GET THE QUESTION, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE ADJACENT FOREST LAND? THIS IS PARTIALLY IN RESPONSE TO THAT. THIS IS AN ACTION THAT WE CAN TAKE ON THE ADJACENT FOREST LAND TO HELP CUMULATIVELY REDUCE THAT RISK. WHAT ABOUT THE COUNTY, UM, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICERS? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED WITH THEM YET, BUT WE DEFINITELY WILL BE. YEAH. PETE. OH, THANKS. THANKS MAYOR. THANKS ALEX. I WAS INTRIGUED TO HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING FIREBREAK WORK IN THE SOUTH SIDE OF SEDONA, BUT DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY STATE THAT IN YOUR FIRE MODELING ANALYSIS THAT SEDONA IS ACTUALLY NOT AS RISKY AS FLAGSTAFF AND PRESCOTT? IS THAT THE STATEMENT THAT YOU HAD SAID? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. I'M NOT, THIS IS ME, NOT AS SOMEBODY WHO CAME UP IN THE FIRE WORLD AS AN EXPERT IN FIRE MODELING. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THE FUEL BUILDUP AROUND THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF AND AROUND THE CITY OF PRESCOTT MAKES A, A CATASTROPHIC EVENT MORE LIKELY IN A, IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT THAN IT DOES IN SEDONA. I'D BE CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR AGENCY'S THOUGHT, WHOEVER THOSE PEOPLE ARE ABOUT OAK CREEK CANYON AND PERHAPS SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS, BUT THAT'S, YEP. THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF REASSURING NEWS TO US A LITTLE BIT THAT WE'RE RISKY, BUT PERHAPS WE'RE NOT AS RISKY AS SOME OF REST OF THE STATE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT HOW THE FOREST SERVICE THINKS ABOUT THOSE RISKS FOR US HERE IN SEDONA. THANK YOU. SO, UM, JUST TO GO BACK A FEW SLIDES OF WILDFIRE CRISIS STRATEGY. THIS MAP THAT SHOWS FOR FOUR FOUR FOREST RESTORATION INITIATIVE, IT STARTED THIS ANALYSIS HOW THEY PICKED THOSE LANDSCAPES. THEY DIVIDED THE, THE COUNTRY INTO POLYGONS THAT WERE ROUGHLY 250,000 ACRES. AND THERE'S A MAP THAT SHOWS NATIONWIDE WHERE THE HIGHEST RISK ONES ARE. UM, AND THOSE ARE THESE YELLOW AND RED LANDSCAPES, FIRE SHEDS. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, SEDONA IS LOCATED LIKE JUST ON THE CORNER OF THE AREA, SOUTHWEST OF THE S IN SAN FRANCISCO PLATEAU THAT IS NOT COLORED. SO, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S NOT IN A FIRE. SHE, RIGHT, AGAIN, THIS IS BASED ON THAT FIRE SHE, AND NOT JUST THE CITY, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE HIGHEST RISK FIRE. SHE, IT'S COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY HIGH RISK. SO, SO LIKE I SAID, THERE IS STILL SIGNIFICANT RISK. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE ALEX CONTINUES? OKAY, ALEX, CONTINUE ON. NO, UH, THE THIRD PRIORITY, MOVING ON TO RECREATION. SO THIS IS A BIG ONE. I THINK ANYBODY WHO LIVES HERE KNOWS THAT RECREATION IS THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT. WHETHER WE'RE A NATIONAL RECREATION AREA OR NOT, WE'RE JUST A PLAIN NATIONAL FOREST. BUT RECREATION IS, IS, UH, PART OF EVERYTHING WE DO PRETTY MUCH. SO, NUMBER ONE, I MENTIONED THIS, KEEPING RECREATION SITES OPEN IF POSSIBLE. UM, ONE OF THE AREAS I HAVE THE MOST CONCERN ABOUT IS FOSSIL CREEK. WE HAVE A, A SYSTEM DOWN THERE THAT TAKES ABOUT SIX TO EIGHT EMPLOYEES TO RUN. AND THIS SUMMER WE HAVE TWO OR THREE EMPLOYEES. SO WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO DOWN THERE TO MANAGE THAT. UM, UNDER THE MANAGEMENT PLAN WE HAVE FOR THAT AREA, THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. UM, WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN OUR BUDGET. CONGRESS HASN'T PASSED A BUDGET THIS YEAR YET. WE'RE PLANNING BASED ON ANTICIPATED BUDGET. UM, WE ALSO DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF OF THE [01:20:01] RECREATION FEE DOLLARS WE COLLECT ARE GONNA BE DEDICATED TOWARDS SALARY. SOME OF THAT STUFF, THOSE DECISIONS ARE MADE AT LEVELS HIGHER THAN, THAN THE DISTRICT I'LL SAY, AND WE HAVE TO REACT TO. SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE IS, IS KEEPING THE LIGHTS ON. ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, HUGE PRIORITIES WE HAVE THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL ARE INTERESTED IN IS GREATER SEDONA RECREATION COLLABORATIVE. SO MELISSA IS ONE OF THE CO-CONVENERS. I WOULD FRAME THAT AS A HUGE SUCCESS SO FAR THAT CONTINUES TO MAKE PROGRESS. I BROKE IT DOWN INTO A FEW DIFFERENT PARTS HERE. THE FIRST ONE IS CONTINUING TO SUPPORT FROM THE FOREST SERVICE PERSPECTIVE, THE THREE ACTION TEAMS THAT ARE WORKING FROM GSRC. SO THE FIRST ONE IS EDUCATION COMMUNICATION COMMITTEE, SECOND ONE'S, ROADS ACTION TEAM. THIRD ONE IS MONITORING. THEY EACH HAVE DIFFERENT GOALS. UH, WE CAN GET INTO MORE DEPTH IF YOU WANT. WE CAN MAYBE CIRCLE BACK. BUT, UH, WE ARE CO-LEAD FOREST SERVICE EMPLOYEES ARE CO-LEAD ON THE RHODES ACTION TEAM AND THE MONITORING TEAM, AND THEN HEAVILY INVOLVED IN IN THE EDUCATION AND COMMUNICATION COMMITTEE. SO THEY'RE, UH, THEIR PROGRESS IS OUR PROGRESS. THE WAY I SEE IT, THE BROKEN ARROW TRAILHEAD REDESIGN. THIS IS A BIG PROJECT, UM, THAT I KNOW Y'ALL ARE INTERESTED IN AS WELL. SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT IS TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW AND PROVIDE AN AREA FOR TIME-LIMITED PARKING. I'M GONNA AVOID THE WORD STAGING 'CAUSE PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF IT, BUT TIME-LIMITED PARKING SO THAT VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING INTO THE BROKEN ARROW BASIN, INSTEAD OF PARKING IN FRONT OF RESIDENCES AND AIRING DOWN THEIR TIRES OR HAVING LUNCH OR WHATEVER THEY DO, UH, BEFORE THEY ENTER THE AREA, WE WANT TO GET THEM OUT AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND INTO THE TRAIL HEAD. AND THEY CAN DO THAT OFF TO THE SIDE. AGAIN, TIME LIMITED. WE DON'T WANNA NECESSARILY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, BUT WE WANT TO IMPROVE THAT TRAFFIC FLOW. UH, YOU ALSO, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE, THE CURRENT TRAIL HEAD, IT'S ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT. AND THEN THERE'S THIS, THIS FILTER THAT'S PLACED KIND OF BACK FURTHER AND PEOPLE ARE OFTENTIMES REVERSING AND MAKING THREE POINT TURNS. WE DON'T WANT THAT. WE WANT A CIRCULAR TRAFFIC FLOW THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA BACK TRAFFIC UP WITH THE OVERALL GOAL TO REDUCE THE TIME THAT THOSE VEHICLES ARE SPENDING IN FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE HAD A BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE DESIGN THAT I HAD A PHOTO OF, AND THEN I WAS LIKE, THIS ONE'S NEWER. THIS IS, THIS IS DRAWN BY CARL, ALSO BEAUTIFUL IN ITS OWN WAY. UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE MORE ACCURATE WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORS ON. WE EXPECT TO HAVE A DECISION AUTHORIZING THAT PROJECT NEXT MONTH. AND THEN THE SECOND AND THIRD STEP, THE SECOND STEP IS GETTING THAT DESIGN INTO AN ENGINEERED DESIGN THAT A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY CAN ACTUALLY BUILD. AND THE THIRD STEP STEP IS CONSTRUCTING THE PROJECT. SO COME THE END OF JANUARY, WHEN WE PLAN TO HAVE THAT AUTHORIZED, UH, WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR A PARTNER, WHETHER IT'S THE CITY, WHETHER IT'S ANOTHER NONPROFIT TO LOOK FOR A GRANT TO DO STEPS TWO AND STEPS THREE. HOLD ON. ALEX. THANK YOU MAYOR. ALEX, THANKS FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. AND UM, UH, I THINK I PROBABLY HAD THE MOST ENJOYABLE MEETING WITH SOMEBODY EVER WHEN YOU AND I WENT HIKING AND, UH, TALKED ABOUT MUCH OF WHAT YOU'RE COVERING THIS EVENING. AND, UH, I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING EVERYBODY UP HERE GET TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, MUCH OF WHAT YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT THE, THE TOPIC RELATED TO BROKEN ARROW. I'D LIKE YOU TO JUST SPEAK TO A LITTLE BIT, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN OVERALL ABOUT, OR A DESIRE TO SEE A LIMITED ENTRY, LIMITED ACCESS PERMIT SYSTEM OVERALL AT BROKEN ARROW. AND WHEN YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS, YOU SHARED A MORE DETAILED APPROACH OR A MORE DETAILED METHODOLOGY THAT'S REQUIRED TO ARRIVE AT A POINT WHERE SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD HAPPEN. AND IF YOU REMEMBER, MY REACTION WAS, GEE, THIS IS A WHOLE LOT MORE DETAIL THAN ANYTHING COUNCIL HAD EVER HEARD BEFORE. AND IT FELT LIKE WE HAD EXPECTATIONS SET PREVIOUSLY THAT PROBABLY COULD NEVER HAVE BEEN MET. SO CAN YOU SHARE A LITTLE BIT NOW ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WOULD A, A FUTURE SET OF STEPS LOOK LIKE THAT COULD END UP RESULTING IN SOME TYPE OF A PERMITTED ENTRY SYSTEM? WOULD YOU MIND IF I POSTPONE THAT TILL THE END? ABSOLUTELY. NO PROBLEM. SLIDE. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL WITH THAT. OKAY, NO PROBLEM. YEAH. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M BROKEN BEFORE WE MOVE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT ARE YOU ANTICIPATING IN TERMS OF A BUDGET REDUCTION? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA AT ALL? THAT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT QUESTION FOR ME TO ANSWER. UM, I THINK THEY HAVE AN IDEA AT THE NATIONWIDE SCALE. I, I DON'T KNOW THOSE NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. LOCALLY, WE'VE GOT, SO THERE MANY DIFFERENT, WHAT WE CALL COLORS OF MONEY. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT RECREATION FEE DOLLARS OF MULTIPLE TYPES. WE'VE GOT, UM, CAMPGROUND FEES THAT GO TO THE CONCESSIONARY. WE'VE GOT MANY DIFFERENT ONES. I I DON'T KNOW ANY ANTICIPATED NUMBERS AT THIS POINT. A LOT WHERE IT HITS US THE MOST [01:25:01] IS STAFFING WHEN WE CAN'T FILL IN BEHIND PEOPLE DEPARTING. WE HAD TWO PEOPLE DEPART THIS MONTH. WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE DEPARTING THAT I KNOW OF IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. I DON'T PLAN ON FILLING BEHIND THEM ANYTIME SOON OR HAVING THE, THE ABILITY TO FILL BEHIND SO THEY'RE FROZEN ONCE THEY'RE VACANT. IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE FROZEN, IT'S THAT WE HAVE A FEW, UH, A FEW FILTERS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH. WE HAVE A HEAD COUNT ON THE FOREST THAT WE CANNOT EXCEED. AND SO WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE FOREST WIDE, ALL OF OUR VACANCIES. AND WE HAVE A LIMIT TO HOW MANY ACTIONS WE CAN DO REGION-WIDE. SO THEY ONLY ACCEPT A CERTAIN NUMBER FROM US RECOMMENDING UP TO THE REGION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH AND WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN OUR HEADCOUNT. SO, SO THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT FILTERS BEYOND JUST THE DOLLARS THAT I HAVE TO WORK THROUGH AND, AND COMPETE FOR TO FILL ANY POSITION. AND SO WHEN WE'RE FILLING POSITIONS, THESE PRIORITIES, ONES THAT ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THEM WILL BE MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE AND MUCH MORE LIKELY TO BE FILLED THAN, THAN A GENERAL POSITION, LET'S SAY, IN IN A RESOURCE THAT IS NOT AS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THESE PRIORITIES. SO, SO I DON'T HAVE ACTUAL NUMBERS FOR YOU. I CAN GET THEM TO YOU WHEN, WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET A BUDGET AND KNOW, BUT I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT YOUR ASK OF US TO FILL IN SOME OF THAT, THOSE HOLES AND THE SOONER WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS WE ENTER INTO OUR BUDGET. YEAH. DISCUSSIONS STARTING TOMORROW AND WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH APRIL WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO KNOW. OKAY. I'LL KEEP THAT IN MIND AND GET THAT TO YOU AS, AS SOON AS I HAVE THAT. GREAT. THANK YOU. RIGHT. ANY OTHERS? YOU'RE GOOD. THE NEXT ONE RELATED TO GSRC IS THE EYEBROW ROAD REROUTE. SO THIS IS FOREST ROAD 1 52 C, NOT DIRECTLY IN THE CITY, BUT, BUT I KNOW YOU'VE ALL HEARD A LOT ABOUT THIS PROJECT. THIS IS A PROJECT WHERE THE NEIGHBORS WANT TO TAKE AN OLD ROUTE THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THIS, UH, SATELLITE IMAGE AND REROUTE THE, FOR THE FOREST ROAD BACK TO THAT OLD ROUTE TO GET IT AWAY FROM RESIDENCES. THEY'VE HIRED A CONTRACTED ENGINEER TO COME UP WITH A PLAN. WE'VE HAD BACK AND FORTH, UM, COMMENTS. WE JUST RECEIVED THEIR MOST RECENT DESIGN YESTERDAY. SO THAT CONTINUES TO MAKE PROGRESS. IT'S SOMETHING WHERE THE, THE ROUTE IS HYDROLOGICALLY BETTER WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW, BUT BALANCING THE HIGH HYDROLOGICAL IMPACT AND TRYING TO MITIGATE THAT VERSUS THE, THE IMPACT POSITIVELY SOCIALLY, UM, OF MOVING THAT ROAD. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, UM, IS, IS JUST FIGURING OUT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE FOREST SERVICE AND FOR THE RESIDENTS. UH, I THINK WE'LL LIKELY AUTHORIZE THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'LL TAKE A WHILE TO GET THROUGH THAT DESIGN TO MEET EVERYTHING THE FOREST SERVICE NEEDS. AND THEN THE, THE COMMUNITY, I BELIEVE WILL BE WORKING ON A GRANT APPLICATION TO FUND THAT PROJECT. AND THEN LASTLY, THE ENTERPRISE PROGRAM. THIS IS AN INTERNAL TEAM THAT THE FOREST SERVICE HAS NATIONWIDE. YOU CAN THINK OF IT AS AN INTERNAL CONTRACTOR THAT IS A RECREATION PLANNING GROUP THAT BRINGS A CERTAIN LEVEL OF EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE ON THE DISTRICT. AND JUST AS IMPORTANTLY, CAPACITY. SO THEY TAKE THEIR PROJECT RECOMMENDATIONS COMPETITIVELY, NATIONALLY. SO WE APPLIED FOR THEIR HELP FOR GREATER STUDENT OWNER RECREATION COLLABORATIVE AND OHV MANAGEMENT. AND WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN THAT. SO WE'VE GOT THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE FROM THIS TEAM THAT HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED TO THIS PROJECT. THEY EACH BALANCE ABOUT FOUR TO SIX PROJECTS AT ANY, ANY GIVEN TIME. SO IT'S NOT AS IF THEY'RE HERE 40 HOURS A WEEK, THEY ARE BASED ALL OVER THE NATION. BUT WE WORK REMOTELY A LOT THESE DAYS. AND THEY HAD A SITE VISIT TO GET FOR AN ENTIRE WEEK TO GET FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA THEY VISITED. PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE SITES I THINK YOU'D ALL BE INTERESTED IN, WHICH WAS GREAT. THEY PACKED IN A LOT AND I THINK THEY SLEPT ON THE PLANE RIDE HOME. BUT THEY ARE IN PHASE ONE OF THEIR EFFORTS. AND YOU CAN SEE THE TIMELINE THERE IS MID-FEBRUARY. SO THE FIRST PHASE IS COMING UP. WE'VE BEEN, WE TAKE A STEP BACK, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT DSRC AND ALL THE SUGGESTIONS IT'S MADE, WHICH IS AWESOME TO HAVE THAT REPORT AND HAVE THAT PALLET OF OPTIONS FOR THAT WE CAN TAKE AS A LAND MANAGEMENT AGENCY. WHAT WE DON'T HAVE YET IS, IS THE, THE OTHER PARTS OF THAT PROCESS, WHICH ARE MONITORING. SO WE UNDERSTAND THE CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND AND THEN TRIGGER POINTS THAT CONNECT THE TWO, THE, THE MONITORING, THE CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND WHEN A TRIGGER POINT WILL, WILL BE JUST THAT TRIGGER AN ACTION CONNECTED TO THAT LIST OF OPTIONS. AND SO WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON IS A TRAIL ASSESSMENT METHODOLOGY AND A VISITOR CAPACITY ANALYSIS WORKSHEET. TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS TO HELP BRING OBJECTIVE DATA TO PAIR ALONG WITH ALL THE MOUNTAIN OF ANECDOTAL DATA WE HAVE FOR OHV MANAGEMENT SO THAT WHEN WE GO FORWARD AND SET THOSE TRIGGER POINTS AND FIGURE OUT [01:30:01] ALONGSIDE GSRC WITH THEIR INPUT, WHAT THOSE TRIGGER POINTS ARE THAT ENDS UP FEEDING INTO A NEPA DECISION, A FORMAL DECISION BY THE AGENCY, IT HAS TO BE DEFENSIBLE BY HAVING ALL THAT OBJECTIVE DATA. IT PROTECTS US FROM SOMEBODY WHO HAS THE OPPOSITE PERSPECTIVE OR DISAGREES WITH THE DECISION AND CHALLENGES THAT DECISION. IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA TO BASE IT ON AND THOSE TRIGGER POINTS WELL THOUGHT OUT, THEY CAN CHALLENGE IT AND SEND US RIGHT BACK TO STEP ONE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. SO THE TRAIL ASSESSMENT METHODOLOGY, UH, IT WILL GO OUT AND ASSESS THE ROADS FOR DIFFERENT CRITERIA. UH, IT WILL CERTAINLY HAVE SOME SORT OF SOCIAL IMPACT CRITERIA, CERTAINLY HAVE NATURAL RESOURCE IMPACT CRITERIA. UM, BUT THEY'RE DEVELOPING RIGHT NOW IN COLLABORATION WITH GSRC, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, THE VISITOR CAPACITY ANALYSIS WORKSHEET. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. WE HAVE AREAS WHERE FOLKS THINK THAT MIGHT BE OVER THE CAPACITY. BROKEN ARROW BASIN IS A GOOD EXAMPLE WHERE THE RESIDENTS THINK THAT IT'S OVER CAPACITY. THERE'S TOO MANY VISITORS IN THAT AREA. THIS WORKSHEET HELPS US FIGURE OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE OBJECTIVELY, IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE WE SHOULD TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AND DO A VISITOR CAPACITY ANALYSIS ITSELF AND COME UP WITH LIKE WHAT THAT LIMIT IS? OR IS IT SOMETHING WHERE, UM, WE AS AN AGENCY SIMPLY DISAGREE AND IT'S A DECISION POINT THAT WE MAKE AND SAY WE DON'T AGREE THAT THIS IS, THIS IS EVEN NEAR VISITOR CAPACITY SO THAT THAT WILL COME IN THE FUTURE. SO I'LL, I'LL AGAIN CIRCLE BACK. UM, BUT THAT'S WHERE I'LL STOP HERE. YEAH. PETE AND I HAVE A COMMENT FOR YOU. THANK YOU, MARY. SO AL, ALEX, LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY. THE FIRST WORKSHEET YOU TALKED ABOUT IS REALLY AN OHV FOCUSED ACTIVITY THAT YOU'RE DOING. THESE ARE ALL OHV FOCUSED. WELL, FOR THE SECOND ONE, IF YOU SPEAK ABOUT BROKEN ARROW, ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT THE SAFETY OF BROKEN ARROW, THE ROAD AND THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, THE ACCESS TO BROKE, I'M, I'M SORRY, NOT BROKEN ARROW. I I'M THINKING ABOUT BACK AND BEYOND, AND YOU DIDN'T SAY BACK AND BEYOND, BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT BACK AND BEYOND. THESE ARE ALL MOTORIZED FOCUSED, SO BACK AND BEYOND WOULD NOT BE PART OF THIS PROJECT. SO THEY'RE ALL MOTORIZED FOCUSED. YEAH. AND THEN I WANTED TO ASK THAT I CLEARLY, THE, UH, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER THAT THIS IS AN INDEPENDENT ACTIVITY THAN THE VOLPI REPORT, BUT DOES THE VOLPI, DID THE VOLPI REPORT FEED INTO THIS? WAS THAT PART OF NOT MUCH. SO THIS IS MOTORIZED RECREATION. THE VOLPE REPORT IS, IS MORE ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW. I MEAN THERE, THERE'S SOME OVERLAP, RIGHT? BUT, BUT THE VOLPE REPORT, THE WAY I READ IT WAS MORE ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND TRAIL HEADS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. UM, AND LESS ABOUT MOTORIZED RECREATION. SO VOLPE REPORT IS, IS SOMEWHAT OVERLAP, BUT, BUT NOT A WHOLE LOT. YEAH, YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE. MY, MY MIND IS THINKING ABOUT THIS QUESTION THAT SOME YEARS AGO WE SORT OF WORKED TOGETHER AND EVENTUALLY A SOLUTION WAS FOUND AT SOLDIERS PASS AND NOW WE'RE DOING A BUNCH OF STUFF AT BROKEN ARROW AND THE EYEBROW IS, IS NOW HAPPENING AS WELL. AND SORT OF THE LAST PINCH POINT IN MY MIND IS BACK AND BEYOND. AND SO WHERE IS THAT IN YOUR LIST OF THINGS? EVENTUALLY I AND I RECOGNIZING YOUR, YOUR BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, BUT IS IT EVEN ON YOUR LIST? IT IS NOT ON OUR LIST FOR THIS YEAR. IT IS ON MY LIST FOR SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN ON IN THE COMING YEARS. YEP. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO ALEX, I I APPRECIATE THIS INFORMATION. I'VE RECEIVED A COUPLE OF COMMENTS FROM THE GSRC MEMBERS WHO WERE CONCERNED THAT THEY, THAT THEY WOULD GO AWAY BECAUSE OF THE ENTERPRISE, UH, GROUP. AND THAT MAKES ME, THAT ASSURES ME THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE, 'CAUSE THEY'RE OUR VOICE SPEAKING FOR US AND OUR BUSINESSES. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT THEY, THAT THEY'RE PART OF THE, THE GROUP AND THEY'VE SHOWN TO BE A REALLY GOOD ASSET FOR THIS COMMUNITY. UH, BUT I'M GLAD THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE THERE. I YOU, I'M ALSO SEEING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING THE SAME DIRECTION WE WERE TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS AGO WHERE WE HAD TO START THE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN. WE'RE REALLY MOVING FORWARD. SO I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT THAT REPORT THAT GSRC PRODUCED WAS REALLY THE FOUNDATION OF WHAT THE ENTERPRISE TEAM IS STARTING WITH. IT'S, IT'S BUILDING ON IT. IT IT SOMETIMES FEELS LIKE BACKTRACKING. 'CAUSE THIS PROCESS CAN GO IN A, IN A FEW DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS TO FILL IN THOSE GAPS. BUT I PROMISE IT'S NOT, THEY WERE, THEY WERE GIVEN HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF BACKGROUND MATERIAL THAT TOOK THEM A COUPLE MONTHS TO GET THROUGH AND THEY'RE BUILDING ON ALL OF IT. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, JUST A FINAL QUESTION. YOU HAVE DOWN HERE, UH, FEBRUARY OF 2025, UH, FINALIZED PHASE ONE [01:35:01] AND IS PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE, I BELIEVE. AT WHAT POINT DOES A DECISION GET MADE AND WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR THOSE DECISIONS? SO I'LL FLIP THROUGH A BUNCH OF SLIDES HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. WE'RE RUNNING, WE'RE RUNNING CLOSE ON TIME. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO PHASE ONE, UH, IS THROUGH FEBRUARY. AND THEN ACTUAL DATA COLLECTION BASED ON THAT CRITERIA IS NEXT SUMMER. WE DON'T HAVE AN END DATE. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHO'S GONNA BE DO THE DOING THE COLLECTING. MY GUESS IS IT'S GONNA BE A MIXTURE OF FOREST SERVICE STAFF, G-S-C-R-G-S-R-C PARTICIPANTS AND VOLUNTEERS. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT'S GONNA TAKE, BUT MY GUESS IS THROUGH NEXT FALL, NEXT WINTER, SOMEWHERE IN THAT TIMEFRAME, THAT'S GONNA BE A DECISION POINT RIGHT THERE. WHEN WE COMPLETE THOSE VISITOR CAPACITY ANALYSIS WORKSHEETS AND DECIDE IS THIS AREA NEAR OR CLOSE TO CAPACITY? IF IT IS, THEN THAT'S THE AGENCY DECIDING IT IS WE NEED TO GO FORWARD WITH A VISITOR CAPACITY ANALYSIS, WHICH IS PART OF PHASE THREE, WHICH IS WHAT WOULD ARRIVE AT CERTAIN TRIGGER POINTS OR POTENTIALLY A NUMBER OF IT CAN HANDLE A HUNDRED VEHICLES PER DAY OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER ENDS UP BEING. WHO KNOWS. UM, IT'S ALSO A DECISION POINT AT THE END OF PHASE TWO IF, IF WE DON'T THINK IT IS AND THE AGENCY MAKES THAT DECISION. UM, SO THERE'S A COUPLE DECISION POINTS. SO THERE'S, THERE'S THAT, DO WE LOOK CLOSER? AND THEN IF WE DO THE VISITOR CAPACITY ANALYSIS AT THE END OF PHASE THREE, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, IF IT'S SAY A HUNDRED AND WE'RE GETTING 150 VEHICLES PER DAY, THEN CLEARLY WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO REDUCE IT DOWN TO THAT CAPACITY. IF IT'S A HUNDRED AND WE'RE GETTING 50 PER DAY, THEN THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT MANAGEMENT ACTION IS LIMITING VOLUME. MAYBE THERE'S OTHER MANAGEMENT ACTIONS TO ADDRESS IMPACTS DIRECTLY. SO WITH BROKEN ARROW SPECIFICALLY, PHASE ONE IS FIGURING OUT THAT METHODOLOGY AGAIN, TO HAVE THAT OBJECTIVE DATA. PHASE TWO IS, IS COLLECTING THAT, THAT DATA AND AT THE END OF IT DECIDING IS BROKEN ARROW POTENTIALLY OVER CAPACITY VEHICLE WISE, NOT ADDRESSING THE NON-MOTORIZED RECREATION. AND THEN PHASE THREE WOULD BE, IF WE DECIDED IT IS CLOSE OR ABOVE, MOST LIKELY ACTUALLY DOING THAT VISITOR CAPACITY ANALYSIS. I PLAN TO HAVE THE ENTERPRISE TEAM, ENTERPRISE PROGRAM THROUGH THIS ENTIRE THING. ALL THREE PHASES I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT ALL I HAVE TO DO IS ASK, AND NOW THAT THEY'RE A PART OF THE PROJECT, THEY WILL EXTEND IT. UM, SO UNLESS SOME OTHER CIRCUMSTANCE HAPPENS, I FULLY INTEND TO HAVE THEM ALONG THE WAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE ROUTE FOR IT. PETE. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR ALEX, AS PART OF THAT PROCESS SOMEDAY, I WOULD LOVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW, YOU KNOW, SOME YEARS AGO A BROKEN ARROW OPENED AND WE BUILT A PARKING LOT. WE, I'M USING THE GLOBAL WE DOWN THERE. AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THE SIZE OF THAT THING HAD TO DO WITH AN ANALYSIS BACK IN TIME ABOUT CAPACITY AND VISITOR EXPERIENCE AND ALL THE REST, , BECAUSE YOU SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT THE FOREST SERVICE DOES. AND NOW YEARS LATER THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. BUT IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE GONNA COME TO AN ANSWER ABOUT THIS IS THE NEW LEVEL VISITOR EXPERIENCE. AND YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT GETS ANCHORED IN TIME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY A, IN PLACES NOT NECESSARILY BROKEN ARROW. ALTHOUGH I, I THINK BROKEN ARROW FOR SURE THAT THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE IN PLACES HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE SIZED IT BEFORE AND NOW WE'RE GONNA JUSTIFY A WHOLE NEW SIZE, YOU KNOW, IN SOME OTHER DAY. SO SOMEDAY THAT'S A CONVERSATION I WOULD LOVE TO LEARN FROM YOU COURT. DEFINITELY. THANK YOU. PLEASE, MELISSA. SO I JUST WANNA, UM, ADD ON AS SOMEONE WHO SITS ON THE GSRC AND, AND, UM, THAT IS FOR SOME OF THE BACKFILL, IF YOU WANNA USE IT THAT WAY, TO TRY AND HELP OUT BOTH THE FOREST SERVICE AND THE ENTERPRISE TEAM. UH, FOR INSTANCE, THE DATA MONITORING GATHERING TEAM IS LOOKING TOWARDS WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A WAY FOR THEM TO GET A, UM, STATE PARKS GRANT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO, UH, HIRE INDIVIDUALS WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AROUND THINGS LIKE COUNTING AND, UM, TRAIL MANAGEMENT AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY DESTRUCTION HAPPENING ON THE TRAILS FOR THAT TOOTHPASTE EFFECT THAT WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT. SO THE GSRC ITSELF IS ALSO THINKING ABOUT WAYS IN WHICH THEY COULD POTENTIALLY GET, UM, GRANTS TOGETHER IN ORDER TO DO THIS. AND AS, UM, ALEX HAS ALREADY MENTIONED, IN ORDER FOR THOSE GRANTS TO BE AWARDED, THERE HAS TO BE SOME OTHER GROUP, WHETHER IT'S THE CITY OR A NONPROFIT, THAT ACTUALLY WILL THEN DO THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE AS WELL. BUT WE ARE LOOKING AS THE GSRC TO WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN GET THE DATA THAT THE FOREST SERVICE NEEDS TO MAKE THE DECISIONS WE HOPE THEY WILL MAKE. THANK YOU MELISSA. ALEX. AND WE ARE, LIKE I SAID, WE ARE, WE HAVE A BIG ITEM AFTER YOU. SO WE WANNA GET TO, YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE MEDIA'S PROBABLY RED ROCK TRAIL'S ACCESS PLAN PHASE TWO. THIS IS THE ROUGHLY [01:40:01] 30 MILES PROPOSED OF NEW TRAILS IN TURKEY CREEK WHERE WE WENT HIKING. BEAUTIFUL AREA. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT AUTHORING A DECISION THIS MONTH ON THIS PROJECT AND CONSTRUCTION WOULD START, UM, IT'D BE AUTHORIZED ANYTIME, BUT PROBABLY NEXT FALL IS WHEN IT WOULD, WOULD REALLY START. ONE MORE SLIDE ON RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES. THE WESTERN GATEWAY TRAILHEAD REDESIGN. HERE'S A ANOTHER CONCEPTUAL DESIGN THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF ON THIS PROJECT. WE'VE BEEN WORKING FOR A COUPLE YEARS ON THIS PROJECT. RIGHT NOW IT'S A DIRT LOT, RIGHT? AND THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE. WE'RE SPLITTING IT INTO TWO PHASES SO THAT WE CAN BETTER INTEGRATE INTO YOUR PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE ADJACENT CULTURAL PROP, CULTURAL PARK PROPERTY, AND MAKE SURE THAT YOUR DESIGN, WHATEVER THAT RESULTS IN AND OUR DESIGN ARE CONSISTENT WITH EACH OTHER AND PROVIDE A GOOD EXPERIENCE AND TRANSITION ZONE. BUT THE FIRST PHASE IS UPDATING THESE TRAILS, UH, AND FIXING THEM. THE SECOND PHASE IS UPDATING THE PARKING LOT, I THINK. AND THEN THE LAST FEW ON HERE, RECREATION FEE IMPLEMENTATION. UM, SO WE HAD FIVE NEW SITES ADDED TO THE RED ROCK TRAIL PASS THIS YEAR AND IMPLEMENTING THAT, PUTTING A FEE, UH, MACHINE AT EACH OF THOSE SITES AND NEW SIGNAGE, THAT TYPE OF THING. UH, THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT THIS YEAR. AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE GONNA DO, GOING TO BE PROPOSING A MIXTURE OF NEW FEES. SO THEY INCLUDE INSTALLING, UM, OR, OR RAISING THE FEES AT OUR RENTAL CABINS, RAISING THE FEE OF OUR RED ROCK PASS. THE RED ROCK PASS HAS NOT BEEN RAISED IN 25 YEARS SINCE IT WAS INTRODUCED. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN $5 PER DAY. UM, SO IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT TIME AS WELL AS INSTITUTING A FEE AT FOSSIL CREEK. UM, DOWN AT THE OTHER END OF OUR DISTRICT IS AN AREA THAT HAS A PERMIT FEE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S A RESERVATION FEE. WE GET $0 BACK FOR MANAGEMENT AND, UH, WE USE ONLY CONGRESSIONAL CONGRESSIONALLY ALLOCATED DOLLARS DOWN THERE TO MANAGE IT. IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE SUSTAINABLE FINANCIALLY IF WE HAD A FEE FOR THAT AREA. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS BEING CARRIED FORWARD. IT'S A LONG PROCESS WHERE WE ULTIMATELY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPROVED. AND THEN LASTLY, DISPERSED RECREATION SITE DATA COLLECTION. THIS DOES NOT SOUND VERY SEXY, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR US BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT THE WESTERN SEDONA CAMPING CLOSURE. IT'S A TWO YEAR CLOSURE. WE RENEWED IT SO IT'S GOOD UNTIL AUGUST, I THINK 2026. UM, BUT IT, THE REALITY IS WE NEED TO MAKE A LONG-TERM DECISION. AND IF WE WANT TO DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS THAT ALLOWS US TO DO A 10 YEAR CLOSURE, WE NEED THE DATA TO SUPPORT THAT. IS IT BEING EFFECTIVE? UM, IS WASTE MANAGEMENT AN ISSUE? ARE THERE CHANGES WE NEED TO MAKE IN ORDER TO, TO HAVE THAT LONG TERM? SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE, WE DEFINITELY HAVE ON OUR MIND. AND TO THE TOOTHPASTE EFFECT OF DISPLACEMENT WHEN WE CLOSE AN AREA, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT WHERE THOSE VISITORS HAVE GONE. AND IT'S MOSTLY BEAVER CREEK ROAD, UM, OUT EAST OF I 17 AND BEAVERHEAD FLATS ROAD. AND THEN LASTLY, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS THIS YEAR. THAT'S, IT'S A LOT. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S OUR PAIRED DOWN PRIORITIES FOR THIS YEAR. FUTURE THINGS, ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE, THE DOCKET THIS YEAR, BUT ARE FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS THAT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO TACKLE IN THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS, IF NOT SOONER. THERE'S TWO THINGS. SO TRANSPORTATION AND VISITOR CAPACITY. BUILDING ON THAT VOL PAY REPORT, YOU MENTIONED. UM, WE HAVE AREAS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY OVERUSED THAT HAVE TOO MANY VISITORS. WE ALSO HAVE AREAS THAT COULD HANDLE MORE VISITORS. SO THE ONES THAT CAN HANDLE MORE VISITORS. IF WE BUILD A BIGGER PARKING LOT, IT'S GONNA FILL UP. IT'S NOT A LONG-TERM SOLUTION FOR US. THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING IS THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION. IT'S BUILDING ON THE SUCCESS WE'VE HAD WITH THE SHUTTLE PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT PEOPLE CAN GO FROM, FROM SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CAN HAVE A LOT OF VEHICLES TO, TO AN AREA WHERE THEY CAN RECREATE WITHOUT CAUSING THE TRAFFIC IMPACT. SO IT'S ALL CONNECTED, THE VISITOR CAPACITY AND THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE, THAT'S A HUGE TOPIC. WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO TAKE ON QUESTION. YEAH, YOU DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO TAKE THAT ON, LOOKING AT THAT, BUT DO YOU ALREADY HAVE, UM, A LIST OF POTENTIAL SITES FOR FURTHER CAPACITY? YOU SAID SITES THAT COULD TAKE MORE, BUT DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THOSE ONES ARE BY SPECIFIC SITE? I DON'T HAVE, NO, I DON'T HAVE LIKE A LIST, LIKE A BOLDED LIST ANYWHERE. I MEAN, I, I HAVE A COUPLE AREAS IN MIND THAT THE, AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SOCIAL CAPACITY AND THE NATURAL RESOURCE CAPACITY. SO AREAS THAT HAVE A LOT OF WHAT WE CALL SLICK ROCK CAN HANDLE A LOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT HAVING AN IMPACT ON THE VEGETATION OR THE SOIL. BUT OTHER AREAS THAT ARE MORE SENSITIVE, MAYBE YOU CAN'T. SO LIKE OUR RIPARIAN AREAS ALONG WATERWAYS, THAT'S WHERE ALL OUR THREATENING ENDANGERED SPECIES ARE. MOST OF THOSE AREAS ARE PLACES THAT WE WOULD NOT SEND MORE VISITORS. ARE, ARE YOU LOOKING THOUGH IN YOUR MIND, AS YOU SAID, YOU HAVE THEM IN THE MIND WHAT THEY MIGHT BE, ARE THEY SOMETHING THAT WOULD BALANCE OVERUSED AREAS CAPACITY? ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT YEAH, EXACTLY. YOU'RE LOOKING FOR BALANCE THERE? WE WOULD LOVE FOR AREAS THAT ARE VERY SENSITIVE. SAY WE HAVE AREAS ON THIS DISTRICT THAT HAVE LOTS OF CULTURAL RESOURCE SITES, ARCHEOLOGY. [01:45:01] WE WOULD LOVE TO TAKE SOME OF THE VISITORS THAT GO THERE AND PUT THEM SOMEWHERE THAT HAS A LOT MORE SLICK ROCK AND A LOT LESS ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES. THAT WOULD BE AMAZING. OKAY. IF WE COULD BE, I WANNA GET TO THE NEXT ITEM BEFORE PEOPLE START TO LEAVE. SO I'VE GOT ONE SLIDE AFTER THIS. OKAY. DO YOU, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING IN YOUR PRIORITY FUTURE PRIORITIES THAT WOULD EXPAND THE SHUTTLE? NOW WE, FOUR DAYS A WEEK WE HAVE A, A LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF SITES. IF WE WANTED TO EXPAND IT TO MORE SITES AND FOR MORE DAYS PER WEEK, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD ENTERTAIN? IS THAT ON YOUR LIST? THAT WOULD BE PART OF THIS. I MEAN, I, I WOULD FORESEE EXPANDING THE SHUTTLE SYSTEM. EVERY SITE HAS ITS OWN CHALLENGES. SOME IT'S ENDANGERED SPECIES, SOME IT'S CULTURAL RESOURCE SITES, SOME IT'S WILDERNESS VALUES. SO EVERY SINGLE ONE HAS DIFFERENT NUANCES. BUT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THIS ANALYSIS AND PLANNING PROCESS. THIS ISN'T EVEN REALLY ON THE SCHEDULE, YOU SAID. CORRECT. THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S MINOR THINGS THAT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. UM, TALK TO ROBERT ABOUT THAT MM-HMM . THAT ARE ADJUSTMENTS, HOW TO IMPROVE THE CURRENT SHUTTLE SYSTEM. BUT AS FAR AS MAJOR EXPANSION, WE, WE DON'T, RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT REALLY THINKING THROUGH THAT. ALRIGHT. FOR, FOR ANOTHER MEETING? YEAH. ANOTHER DAY. THANK YOU. SO THE LAST ONE, UM, IS RIPARIAN RESTORATION. SO THIS ONE IS ONE WHERE IT, IT, PEOPLE DON'T NOTICE IT. AN AVERAGE PERSON FROM THE PUBLIC. THIS IS AT CRESCENT MOON AND IT'S RIGHT BY OAK CREEK. AND IT'S A LOVELY AREA TO RECREATE. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THERE IN THE CREEK DURING THE SUMMER. AND IT IS AWESOME THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE ENJOYING THEIR PUBLIC LANDS. THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE SOIL COMPACTION LIKE THIS FROM VISITOR TRAFFIC, WHAT YOU DON'T SEE THERE IS NOT ONLY GRASS, BUT YOU DON'T SEE YOUNG TREES COMING UP TO REPLACE THOSE ONES THAT ARE, ARE MATURE AND WILL EVENTUALLY DIE. SO WHEN THESE TREES DIE, THERE WILL BE NO ONE YOUNG ONES TO REPLACE THEM. THE SUNLIGHT WILL GO DIRECTLY TO THE STREAM, THE WATER WILL HEAT UP, THE FISH WILL DIE. AND WE WILL HAVE A, A MUCH MORE BARREN RIPARIAN AREA THAT IS NOT AS ECOLOGICALLY SOUND AS, AS WHAT WE HAVE NOW, AND THAT'S 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. BUT WE AS LAND MANAGERS HAVE TO START THINKING THROUGH THAT AND THINKING HOW TO MANAGE AND PROTECT SOME OF THOSE AREAS WHILE STILL PROVIDING THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO THIS IS A HUGE VERDE VALLEY WIDE PROBLEM THAT AFFECTS THE PRESCOTT NATIONAL FOREST JUST AS MUCH AS US. UM, THAT WOULD BE A BIG PROCESS TO FIGURE OUT THOSE AREAS. WE WANNA POINT PEOPLE TO RIPARIAN AREA AND WATER RECREATION AND WHAT AREAS WE WANT TO PROTECT ALONG THE STREAMS. APOLOGIES FOR RUNNING LATE. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. BRIAN, YOU WANTED TO ASK A FINAL QUESTION, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, MORGAN ROAD BROKEN ARROW, OR DID YOU GET THAT? NO, THAT'S BEEN THOROUGHLY ANSWERED AND, AND IT WAS REALLY MORE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE'S BENEFIT TO GET TO HEAR WHAT I'D HEARD PREVIOUSLY. AND BECAUSE I FELT THAT, UH, PREVIOUS COUNSEL WAS NOT NECESSARILY PROPERLY INFORMED ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO, UH, EVENTUALLY ARRIVE AT SOME TYPE OF CAPACITY CONTROL. SO ALEX, HUGE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND EVERYTHING YOU'VE SHARED TONIGHT. OKAY. ANY OTHER FINAL COMMENTS? NO, ALEX, THANK YOU. I KNOW WHERE TO FIND YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION, UM, WENDY PETERMAN, OUR BRAND NEW DEPUTY DISTRICT RANGER, SHE DID A FOUR MONTH STINT LAST SUMMER. WE CONVINCED HER TO COME BACK PERMANENTLY. SO WE HAVE HER, SHE WOULD'VE BEEN HERE TODAY. SHE WAS FEELING SICK, BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU ALL MEETING HER AS WELL AND, UH, BEING MORE INVOLVED. SO THANK YOU. WELL, THANK YOU. THANKS, ALEX. HAPPY HOLIDAYS, ALEX. YEAH, YOU TOO. I SEND AARON MY BEST WILL DO WHEN HE GETS BACK. OKAY. WE WOULD NORMALLY TAKE A BREAK RIGHT NOW, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, I I, WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE ON AND NOT KEEP PEOPLE HERE ANY LONGER THAN WE HAVE TO. SO, UH, AND I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO LEAVE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PRESENTATION. SO WE WILL MOVE ON WITH, [8.b. AB 3166 Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding approval of a Settlement Agreement with Olson Real Estate Group, Inc. dba R.D. Olson Development and 115 Schnebly, LLC to resolve litigation by affirming Planning and Zoning Commission’s development review approval of Oak Creek Heritage Lodge Case Number: PZ23-00004 (DEV), suspension of Council Rules of Procedure 3.E.11 on reconsiderations, and discussion regarding making the Oak Creek Heritage Area Zoning District obsolete. (Part 1 of 2)] UM, ITEM B, AB 31 66 PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL, APPROVAL OF A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH OLSON REAL ESTATE GROUP, UH, INC. D-B-A-R-D OLSON DEVELOPMENT AND ONE 15 SCHLEY, UH, LLC TO RESOLVE LITIGATION BY AFFIRMING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, APPROVAL OF OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGE, CASE NUMBER PZ 23 DASH 0 0 0 4, UH, DEV SUSPENSION OF COUNSEL, RULES OF PROCEDURE, UH, THREE POINT E POINT 11 ON RECONSIDERATION AND DISCUSSION REGARDING MAKING OAK CREEK HERITAGE AREA ZONING DISTRICT OBSOLETE. OKAY, KURT, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. MADAM VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS, [01:50:02] AS THE MAYOR STATED BEFORE YOU, TONIGHT IS A, THE PLANNING ZONING CASE NUMBER PZ 2 23 DASH 0 0 0 4 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR THE PROPOSED OAK CREEK HERITAGE, UH, LODGE, AND ALSO A PROPOSED SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH OLSON REAL ESTATE GROUP, INC. UM, DOING BUSINESS AS ALREADY OLSON DEVELOPMENT AND ONE 15 ASSEMBLY LLC TO RESOLVE LITIGATION. AND THE AVA PI SUPERIOR COURT CASE NUMBER CV 2 2 4 0 0 6 9 4. UH, SO THE PROCEDURE FOR THIS ITEM IS SIMPLY GONNA BE A SHORT STAFF PRESENTATION, WHICH I'LL, I'LL GIVE, UM, COUNSEL'S FREE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS DURING MY PRESENTATION, UH, FOLLOWING MY PRESENTATION AND COUNSEL QUESTIONS. IT'LL BE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, COUNCIL'S FREE TO ASK ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OF MYSELF. THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UM, THE APPELLANT, UM, RESIDENTS, ANYONE ELSE THEY WANTED TO, UM, IN ORDER TO COME TO A DETERMINATION, UM, UH, AS THEY DELIBERATE ON THE PROPOSED RECONSIDERATION AND AMENDMENT OF COUNCIL'S JUNE DECISION AND THIS PROPOSED SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. SO, JUST A BRIEF BACKGROUND, IT IS IN THE REPORT AND, UH, WE WERE JUST HERE IN JUNE, UM, DISCUSSING THIS. BUT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN APRIL, 2024. UM, THE DECISION WAS APPEALED BY TWO DIFFERENT RESIDENT GROUPS TO CITY COUNCIL. AND IN JUNE, 2024, THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED FOUR TO THREE TO OVERTURN, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S. APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW RESULTED IN DENIAL OF ARTIE OLSEN'S DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION, UM, ARTIE OLSEN THEN, UH, TIMELY NOTICE, UH, UH, UH, AN APPEAL, UH, SPECIAL ACTION APPEAL TO THE SUPERIOR COURT AND THEN FILED THE LAWSUIT. UH, CURRENTLY WHAT IS, UH, PENDING IS THE CITY'S MOTION TO DISMISS ON COUNTS ONE AND TWO OF THEIR COMPLAINT. UH, COUNT THREE, UH, WAS NOT INCLUDING THE CITY'S MOTION TO DISMISS, AND THAT AS THE ALLEGATION THAT CITY ACTED IN AN ARBITRARY, UH, AND CAPRICIOUS MANNER IN DENYING THEIR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION. UM, AND THE COURT, UM, JUST BEFORE THANKSGIVING, OR I THINK THE, MAYBE THE FRIDAY OR THURSDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING, UH, SET THE CASE, UH, FOR THE MOTIONS TO DISMISS, THERE WAS ALSO A MOTION DISMISS BY CHRISTINE WAGNER, UH, PENDING AND SET THOSE FOR ORAL ARGUMENT ON IN JANUARY, JANUARY, UH, 15TH. UH, IF, UM, SO IF COUNSEL DOES NOT APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT TONIGHT, THEN UH, THE LITIGATION WOULD CONTINUE. UH, THERE'D BE THOSE ORAL ARGUMENTS IN JANUARY AND THEN SOMETIME AFTER THAT, UH, THE PRESIDING JUDGE NAPPER WOULD HOPEFULLY RULE ON THE CITY'S MOTION TO DISMISS. UH, AND LITIGATION WILL CONTINUE CURRENTLY, THE CASE WOULD IS SET FOR TRIAL IN NOVEMBER, 2025. UH, SO THE PROPOSED, UH, SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT IS ON THE SCREEN. AND AT THE OUTSET, I WANTED TO JUST STATE THAT WE'VE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF COMMENTS, UM, ALLEGING THAT THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE, UH, AUTHORITY TO, TO CHANGE COURSE AT THIS POINT, AND THAT IT JUST HAS TO ACCEPT, UH, THE OUTCOME OF THE LITIGATION, UM, EITHER WINNING OR LOSING THE LAWSUIT, UH, THROUGH, THROUGH MOTIONS, UH, OR, OR TRIAL. AND I JUST WANT TO CLEARLY EXPRESS FOR THE RECORD THAT THE CITY, UM, ACTING THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL HAS BOTH INHERENT AUTHORITY AND EXPRESS AUTHORITY TO SETTLE THIS LITIGATION, INCLUDING THIS LAW LAWSUIT AND ANY LITIGATION. UM, AND THAT THE CLAIM THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS NO CHOICE IN THIS MATTER IS, IS ERRONEOUS. UH, CITY COUNCIL, JUST LIKE ALL LITIGANTS, HAS AUTHORITY TO, UH, ENTER INTO SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS. AND THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS ARE ACTUALLY, UH, GENERALLY ENCOURAGED BY THE COURTS. UM, SO THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT BEF IS ON THE SCREEN AND THERE ARE FIVE, UM, MAIN AMENDMENTS TO THE, UH, THE APPLICATION THAT WAS APPROVED BY PLANNING AND ZONING, ZONING COMMISSION. AND THEY FALL, FALL INTO FIVE CATEGORIES. THERE'S, THERE'S MORE AMENDMENTS, BUT THE FIRST ONE, UM, IS IT BREAKS UP SOME BUILDINGS, SOME LARGE BUILDINGS INTO SMALLER BUILDINGS. AND, UM, THE SECOND SET IS IT MOVES THE BUILDINGS. I'LL GO BACK, I'LL GO THROUGH THESE IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, BUT IT MOVES, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDINGS FURTHER AWAY FROM THE FLOODWAY. UM, JUST THE PATIOS. NONE OF THE BUILDINGS WERE IN THE FLOODWAY, UH, BUT THEY HAD PATIOS OR, OR DECKS THAT WERE, UH, BALCONIES THAT WERE OVERHANGING THE FLOODWAY. UM, THIS MOVES THE MAJORITY OF THOSE BACK. UM, AND THEN IT INCREASES PARKING BY 28 PARKING SPACES, UH, AND ALSO, UH, MOVES PARKING OUT OF THE DRY VIALS TO BOTH ENSURE SUFFICIENT PARKING SO THERE'S NO PARKING ON THE NEIGHBORING BARE WALLOW OR ON SNUBBY HILL ROAD, AND THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE ROOM FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES TO ACCESS THE SITE THROUGH THE PARKING LOT. UM, AND ONE KEY NOTE OF THE ADDITIONAL PARKING IS IT'S STILL ALL, WELL, WELL, THE VAST MAJORITY, THERE'S JUST A COUPLE SITES PARKING SPACES THAT ARE NOT, UH, VALET ONLY. SO IT'S A VALET ONLY, UH, PARKING, UH, HENCE THE ABILITY TO DO MORE COMPACT PARKING SPACE SIZES THAN [01:55:01] THAN TYPICAL. UH, IT ALSO PLACES VARIOUS LIMITATIONS ON THE RESTAURANT AND SPA AND THE EVENT SPACE. AND THEN RD ALSO AGREES TO CONTRIBUTE, UM, 550,000. SO I'LL GO THROUGH 'EM JUST QUICKLY. THEY WERE IN THE PACKET. UM, BUT IN CASE ANYONE HAD ANY QUESTIONS, UM, THE FIRST ONE IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN HERE IS THE SOUTH CLUSTER OF THE LODGING BUILDING, UH, WILL BE BROKEN UP INTO THREE SMALLER BUILDINGS, UM, INSTEAD OF THE ONE OR FOUR REALLY WITH THE SMALL ONE. OH, SORRY, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CENTRAL CLUSTER. HERE'S THE SOUTH CLUSTER DOWN HERE. SO, UH, BROKEN UP. UM, AND THEN THE CENTRAL CLUSTER IS ALSO BROKEN UP. UH, AND THEN BOTH THE, ALL THE CLUSTERS ARE MOVED BACK AWAY FROM THE FLOODWAY. THE, WE GET HERE, THE CENTRAL CLUSTER AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. UM, THE BA BALCONIES AND PATIOS WERE MOVED ABOUT HALF HALFWAY OUT, UM, ON THE SOUTH END. UM, AND THE NORTH END WERE, WERE FULLY OUT ON THE CENTRAL CLUSTER. THE BALCONIES ARE MOVED OUT, UM, COMPLETELY EXCEPT FOR ONE. AND THEN THE RESTAURANT, UH, SPACE. AND THEN ON THE WEST CLUSTER WHERE THEY HAVE THE MOST SPACE, IF YOU LOOK AT A, A SITE PLAN, UH, THE SOUTH END IS WHERE IT GETS NARROWER, UH, BETWEEN THE CREEK AND SNUBBY HILL ROAD, UH, WHICH PROHIBITED THEM FROM MOVING THE BALCONIES COMPLETELY OUT OF THE FLOODWAY. UH, BUT ON THE NORTH END THEY HAVE MORE SPACE, SO THEY'RE ABLE TO MOVE THE BUILDINGS COMPLETELY BACK SO THAT NONE OF THE BALCONIES OVERHANG THE FLOODWAY, UM, VEHICLE PARKING WAS INCREASED FROM 9,218 SPACES. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE HERE OCCUPANCY AND USE RESTRICTIONS FOR THE, UH, FOR THE GUESTS. UM, THE EVENT SPACE, THERE'S A SLIDING SCALE, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF EVENTS WILL END UP, THE NUMBER OF ROOMS YOU'LL, NUMBER OF PERSONS AT THE EVENT WILL DETERMINE THE NUMBER OF ROOMS YOU'LL BE REQUIRED TO RENT. SO UP TO 23 ROOMS WILL BE REQUIRED FOR A HUNDRED PERSON EVENT. UH, THE RESTAURANT, UH, WILL BE CAPPED AT 80 DINERS, UH, WITH MAX OF THEM BEING 25% OUTSIDE, MEANING THAT THEY DROVE TO THE SITE. UM, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THOSE WHO, UM, WALK FROM THE NEARBY RV RESORT OR THE BARE, BARE WALLO NEIGHBORS. UH, SIMILARLY, THE SPA WILL BE LIMITED TO 25% MAX OUTSIDE GUESTS. UM, SO 10 TREATMENTS PER DAY. UM, GETTING DOWN TO SECTION SIX HERE, UM, ARTIE OLSON HAS, HAS ALSO AGREED TO CONTRIBUTE UP TO $550,000 TO HELP FUND, UH, THE PROPOSED OAK, UH, CREEK, CREEK WALK PLAN. UH, MAP HAS ATTACHED IN THE, IN THE, TO THE DEVELOP TO THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. AND IN THE AGENDA BILL, THE 550,000 WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT ON A REIMBURSEMENT BASIS, UH, AND COULD BE USED FOR ACQUIRING PROPERTY FOR THE CREEK WALK, UH, DESIGNING THE CREEK WALK OR ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTION, THE CREEK, CREEK WALK. IT'S GOOD FOR UP TO 15 YEARS FROM THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS AGREEMENT, WHICH IF THIS WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, THE EFFECTIVE DATE WOULD BE TODAY. UH, AND THEN IN A CONSIDERATION OF THE CITY, UH, BESIDES, UH, REVERSING, ITS AMENDING ITS DECISION FROM JUNE, UH, THE CITY WOULD ALSO BE, UH, EXEMPTING RD OLSON FROM ANY DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE INCREASED. UM, SO THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THAT THEY WOULD PAY DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES. THEY JUST PAY THE CURRENT FEE STRUCTURE AND NOT THE ANY INCREASE IF COUNCIL ADOPTS ANY DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE INCREASE IN THE NEXT THROUGH DECEMBER 31ST, 2028. UH, SO THAT IS THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT, THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. UM, SOME HAVE CLAIMED, LIKE I I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, THAT, UH, THE CITY DOES NOT, CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE AUTHORITY TO AMEND PLANNING AND ZONING CONDITIONS, COMMISSION'S APPROVAL. BUT AS CITED CLEARLY BY THOSE SAME PEOPLE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 8.8, E THREE E, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL ON THAT APPEAL HAD THE ABILITY TO AFFIRM, DENY, OR AMEND THE APPLICATION AT THAT TIME. IT RESERVES THAT IT STILL HAS THAT RIGHT TODAY TO AMEND P AND Z'S DECISION. SO THESE ARE, UH, CHANGES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN, IN JUNE, UH, AND ARE REQUIRED TO BE DONE IN JUNE AS PART OF CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL THEN IF IT HAD GONE THROUGH THAT ROUTE. UM, BUT IT'S FREE TO DO SO TODAY. BOTH SETTLE THIS LAWSUIT AND AMEND ITS PRIOR DECISION. UM, NOT NECESSARILY A RECONSIDERATION, BUT AMEND IT. UM, SO THAT COMPLETES MY PRESENTATION. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL. COUNSEL, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT? I HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE A QUESTION TOO. YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA WAIT. I'LL WAIT UNTIL [02:00:01] AFTER PLEASE BUSINESS FOR THIS MM-HMM . OKAY. VICE MAYOR, I, I WANTED TO ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE CREEK WALK. WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT AND THE MAP, THE, THE CREEK WALK AS PROPOSED, AND THIS IS NOT, HASN'T, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL VERY, VERY EARLY, BUT IT WAS AWAY FROM THE BEAR WALLOW HOMES, RIGHT? SO VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT. UM, THE, AS YOU SEE HERE, AND THESE LINES AREN'T GONNA BE PERFECTLY ACCURATE, BUT THE BARE WALL RESIDENTS ARE, ARE HERE. THEIR PROPERTIES DO EXTEND DEPENDING ON WHICH SIDE THE CREEK'S REALLY FLOWING AND HOW IT CHANGES FROM YEAR TO YEAR. BUT, UM, AT LEAST ON THIS MAP SHOW THAT IF THE CREEK'S NOT AS WIDE AS BEING SHOWN THERE, BUT IT DOES EXTEND A WAYS OUT, THE CREEK WALK IS PROPOSED TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE FROM THE BARE WALL OF HOME. SO IT DOESN'T DIRECTLY AFFECT THEIR PROPERTY. UM, IT CAN, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE, EXCUSE ME, CAN WE NOT CALL OUT FROM THE AUDIENCE? SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY CONDEMNATION OF THEIR PROPERTY OR ANY, ANY TAKING OF THEIR PROPERTY. IT'D BE PROPOSED ON THE OTHER SIDE, UH, NEXT TO THE RESORTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE, UH, THAT ALREADY HAVE ACCESS TO THE CREEK. OKAY. THANK YOU, BRIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. KURT, WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES, WHAT IS THE EFFECT ON, UH, VEHICLE TRAFFIC? SO, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, REASONS FOR DENIAL WAS, UH, OR REVERSAL OF APPROVAL WAS, UM, NON-COMPLIANCE WITH TRAFFIC AT THE LEVEL OF MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. SO WHERE DOES THE PROJECT POST THESE PROPOSED CHANGES LAND RELATIVE TO THE TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL? SO COUNCIL, COUNCILOR, UH, FOLTZ, THE, UM, NO NEW TRAFFIC STUDY HAS BEEN DONE. UM, SO IT, IT ANTICIPATED TO BE THE SAME OR PERHAPS SLIGHTLY LESS WITH THE RESTRICTIONS ON THE GUESTS, UM, CAPPING THE NUMBER FROM OUTSIDE AND THE NUMBER WHO COULD USE, USE THE, UH, SPECIAL EVENTS AND HOW MANY HAVE TO HAVE RENT ROOMS DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ARE COMING FOR THE, FOR THIS SPECIAL EVENT. SO, BUT NO NEW TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE. SO THE SAME AMOUNT, UM, AS, AS PREVIOUSLY PUT FORTH BY THE APPLICANT, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY STAFF, UM, AS BEING ADEQUATE. LISTEN. OKAY, DEREK, SO WHAT'S OUR ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM IF, YOU KNOW, THEY AGREE TO ALL THESE STIPULATIONS ABOUT GUESTS AND SERVICES PROVIDED, HOW DO WE ENFORCE THAT? UH, SO MOST, WE DON'T PLAN ON ANY, LIKE HAVING A PERSON THERE, UH, WATCHING THEM. UM, SO GENERALLY WITH ANY TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT, IT'S COMPLAINT BASED. UH, SO IF WE RECEIVE CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORS OR OTHER PEOPLE ATTENDING THERE THAT ANYTHING WAS, WAS OVER, UM, THE LIMITS LISTED, UM, THEN CODE ENFORCEMENT COULD INVESTIGATE AND THEY COULD, UM, ONE, THEY COULD, UM, BE IN BREACH OF THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, BUT THERE COULD ALSO BE PERHAPS, UM, CODE VIOLATIONS AS WELL. OKAY, GOOD. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM. IF ANYONE HAS NOT ALREADY FILLED OUT A CARD, NOW IS THE TIME TO DO SO. WE HAVE, UH, QUITE A FEW. SO, UH, OKAY. UH, WE'LL START OFF WITH JAKE WEBER. IF YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM STAR WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY FRED SHIN. YOU'LL STAY IN YOUR SEAT. I'LL BRING A MIC TO YOU. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UM, COMMISSION AND, UH, TABLE ONE, UH, HERE, CERTAINLY, UH, JAKE WEBER. UH, CURRENTLY I'M A RESIDENT OF THE VILLAGE OAK CREEK, UH, AND A 43 YEAR RESIDENT OF THE GREATER SEDONA AREA BEFORE YOU WERE A CITY, AND THEN ALSO A RESIDENCE DURING CITY. ALSO, I CURRENTLY OWN THE GASAWAY, THE HISTORIC, UH, GASAWAY, UH, LANDMARK, UH, ACROSS THE STREET FROM MR. OLSON'S, UH, PROPOSED, UH, UH, LODGE. UH, SO I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF, UH, THAT SETTLEMENT AS I READ IT. CERTAINLY YOU'VE HAD LEGAL COUNSEL, UH, AND, UH, BEAT THIS TO DEATH ON A THREE YEAR TIMELINE. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH I CAN, UH, REQUEST OF YOU OTHER THAN AS A CITIZEN. UH, WHEN I READ THE DETAILS OF THE LITIGATION THAT'S BROUGHT AGAINST THE CITY, UM, IT WORRIES ME. WE'VE [02:05:01] BEEN HERE 43 YEARS. WE RAISED OUR CHILDREN IN THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT. UH, WE RAISED OUR GRANDCHILDREN IN THIS, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICT. UH, MY GRANDSON IS A PROUD UNITED STATES MARINE. HE JUST GOT DEPLOYED. SO, UH, THIS IS HOME FOR US. UH, AND IT DISTURBED ME THAT WE'VE GOTTA HAVE AN ATTORNEY AND AN ATTORNEY AND AN ATTORNEY TO PRESENT DEVELOPMENTS, UH, TO THE CITY OF SEDONA. SO I WOULD JUST REQUEST THAT WE LOOK AT THIS, WE MEASURE TWICE AND WE EITHER HAVE MORE LAWYERS ON THE CITY COUNCIL OR WE HAVE LESS, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW YOUR DETAIL ON WHAT WE'VE GOT UP HERE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE COMMON SENSE WOULD TAKE PLACE ON BEING ABLE TO BRING IN A FIVE STAR PROJECT. HE HAS 10 OR 11 OTHER, UH, HOTELS IN FIVE STAR LOCATIONS, HAWAII, SANTA BARBARA, SO FORTH. TO COME TO SEDONA IS TREMENDOUS, I THINK FOR US, IN THE SAME MANNER THAT IT WAS TO HAVE LE BURGE TO HAVE, UM, LOS ADOS ENCHANTMENT, UH, THOSE FIVE STAR COMMUNITIES THAT WE HAD FRIENDS AND FAMILY VISIT OVER THAT TIME. SO MY 2 CENTS IS NOT IN THIS THREE MINUTES CONVINCE YOU SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU'VE STUDIED THIS WITH, UH, WITH SINCERITY, UH, FOR THAT. BUT I'M HERE TO SAY THAT I KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS CONSEQUENCE, UH, TO OTHER NEIGHBORS. UH, I HAD 10, 12,000 CUSTOMERS A WEEK IN BEING A GROCER. I HEARD FROM ALL OF THEM. AND, UH, BIG PARK DID NOT BECOME PART OF THE CITY. BUT I THINK THAT I'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO STAND HERE AND ALSO THE IMPACT OF THE GAS AWAY PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET. SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, UH, AND CONSIDERATION ON THIS. BUT I SINCERELY BELIEVE, UH, THAT THIS WILL HELP THE BUDGET. THIS IS A LONG TERM, UM, UM, UH, TOURIST THAT STAYS WITH US, NOT A DRIVE THROUGH PERSON. UH, AND IT BUILDS THOSE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD HERE TODAY, THE TRAIL SYSTEM, THE OTHER PORTION ON THE CONTRIBUTION NOW TO HERE, THAT 550,000. SO, UM, I'M ALMOST OUTTA TIME WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD JUST APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION IF YOU HAVEN'T DECIDED. AND, UH, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, JAKE. OKAY, FRED SHIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR. NO, YOU'RE GOOD. IT'S ALL THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS FRED SHIN AND I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF LIVING AT THE, UH, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE FUTURE SITE OF THIS WONDERFUL RESORT CALLED THE RED ROCK HERITAGE FOUNDATION. UM, AND I FEEL VERY, VERY CONFIDENT THAT BOB OLSON, WHO I THINK THE WORLD OF PERSONALLY, AND I HOPE THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE BECAUSE I THINK HE HAS DONE WHAT THE CONS HAS REQUESTED, AND I HOPE YOU FEEL THAT WAY TOO. AND WHAT HE HAS DONE, HE HAS, THEY THE PARKING, AND HE HAS WORKED ON THAT. HE HAS WORKED ON SEVERAL OF THE OTHER PROJECTS WITH THE BUILDINGS TO MAKE THEM SMALLER TO YOUR REQUEST. SO I ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS TO BE A FUTURE CLASSIC ADDITION TO SEDONA, BECAUSE IT WILL BE ONE THAT WE WILL ALL BE VERY PROUD OF AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION, AND I HOPE THAT WE HAVE SHOWN YOU BY MR. OLSON'S ACTION ON THE POINTS OF WHICH YOU BROUGHT UP THAT HE HAS MET THEM. IT'S YOUR SATISFACTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THANK YOU, FRED. I THINK TERRY FRANKEL IS NEXT. IF I, MY MEMORY SERVES ME, TERRY, WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU TO GO TO THE MICROPHONE THOUGH. UH, HONORABLE MAYOR JABO, VICE MAYOR, PLU AND ESTEEMED CITY COUNCIL. I AM TERRY FRANKEL, A 30 YEAR RESIDENT OF SEDONA. I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AND ABOVE FROM THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGE PROPERTY IN THE HOUSE OF SEVEN ARCHES. I AM TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS STELLAR DEVELOPMENT, PLANNING, AND ZONING. GOT IT RIGHT WHEN, FOR OVER THREE YEARS, THEY METICULOUSLY GUIDED THIS DEVELOPMENT AND VOTED UNANIMOUSLY FOR ITS [02:10:01] APPROVAL. AS DID CITY STAFF. ROBERT OLSON AND HIS TEAM HAS SINCE POLISHED THE DIAMOND. BOB OLSON IS AN AWARD-WINNING BUILDER OF OVER 103 TO FIVE STAR HOTELS. WITH HIS OUTSTANDING EXPERIENCE, HE HAS MOVED HEAVEN AND EARTH TO WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGE BEAUTIFUL, SUSTAINABLE, AND SAFE. HE HAS A FLAWLESS REPUTATION OF BEING A WORLD CLASS BUILDER. DURING, DURING THE PLANNING AND ZONING PROCESS NEARBY, MERCHANTS AND NEIGHBORS OVER TWO DOZEN FOLD HAVE WRITTEN LETTERS OF SUPPORT SIGNED PETITIONS AND SPOKEN IN FAVOR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING OUR NEIGHBOR, CHEF ME MOORE OF RENEE'S CREEKSIDE MESA GRILL, . HE COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT HE ALSO LIVES RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO US, AND HE APPROVES THIS. ALSO, RICK ROSEN SWAG, WHO WAS, UH, THE BROKER FOR SOUND INVESTMENTS CAN'T BE HERE BECAUSE HE PASSED AWAY, BUT HE WROTE A LETTER TO YOU. HE SAID IT WOULD BE HARD TO FIND A MORE PERFECT LOCATION FOR A NEW HOTEL IN SEDONA. JUST AS SOME CITIZENS IN THE PAST CHALLENGED THE BUILDING OF THE HYATT OPINION POINT CVS PHARMACY, AMTE OSA, AND OTHER ICONIC DEVELOPMENTS, I PREDICT THAT WHEN IT IS COMPLETED, EVERYONE, AND YES, I MEAN, EVERYONE WILL LOVE AND ENJOY THIS SOON TO BE SEDONA TREASURE. WE RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU TO VOTE YES TO THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TERRY. TERRY, WE BE FOLLOWED BY DEBORAH SHIN. DEBORAH, ARE YOU STILL HERE? I'M HERE. OKAY, GOOD. WHO WILL BE, UH, FOLLOWED BY MARY, UH, ELLO. HI. OKAY. CLOSE ENOUGH. . THANK YOU. YOU'LL BE UP NEXT. OKAY. DEBORAH, WITH YOUR, UH, NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. HI, I'M DEBORAH SHIN AND I LIVE IN COVILLE. I DON'T LIVE IN SEDONA, BUT I KNOW SEDONA VERY WELL, AND YOU ALL KNOW ME PRETTY WELL. UH, I OWN SHIN HOSPITALITY CONSULTING. I SPECIALIZE IN LUXURY HOSPITALITY SERVICES. I'VE BEEN A MANAGER, A GENERAL MANAGER IN HOTELS FROM BEVERLY HILLS, MONTECITO, LAS VEGAS, SAN DIEGO, AND SEDONA. THE OWNERS I'VE WORKED FOR INCLUDED S PARKER, STEVE WYNN, TY WARNER, MERV GRIFFIN, AND AL SPECTER. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, I'VE WORKED IN SEDONA OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS FROM BEING THE PROJECT DIRECTOR FOR THE FIRST RENOVATION OF LEBERTS GM OF AMARA, GM OF THE VILLAS AT SEVEN CANYONS AND GM OF SEDONA ROUGE. I'VE WORKED WITH DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN INTEGRATING THEIR DEVELOPMENTS INTO HIGH LEVEL COMMUNITIES, AND I PRIDE MYSELF BEING INVOLVED WITH PROJECTS THAT ARE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. THIS IS MORE THAN JUST SPENDING MONEY ON EXPENSIVE MATERIALS. IT INCLUDES THOUGHTFUL AND FOCUSED PLANS THAT ENHANCE THEIR CITIES, CONTRIBUTE TO SUSTAINING AN UPSCALE QUALITY OF LIFE, AND RESPECT THE RESIDENTS THAT MAKE THEIR HOME IN THAT CITY. I HAVE CONSULTED FOR OVER TWO YEARS ON RD OLSON'S OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGE PROJECT. I'VE SEEN THE DEDICATION ROBERT AND HIS TEAM HAVE IN FOLLOWING THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WORKING WITHIN THE ZONING QUALIFICATIONS, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS. THEY'VE HOSTED SEVERAL COMMUNITY INTERACTION MEETINGS TO GET THE FEEDBACK OF SEDONA RESIDENCES. EVERY DECISION OF THEIR PROJECT PLANS INCLUDE CAREFULLY APPLIED CONSIDERATIONS, REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY, AND CONCERNS OF ITS RESIDENTS. I'VE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT THIS PROJECT WILL DO FOR THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE PRESERVATION OF ORIGINAL FAUNA AND FLORA HISTORICAL STRUCTURES, AND INCORPORATING ART FROM PAST AND CURRENT LOCAL ARTISTS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, DEBORAH. UH, MARY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MIRIAM. UH, ACKERLEY. ARE YOU STILL HERE, MIRIAM? OKAY. HI, UM, MY NAME IS MARY KYLO AND I FEEL LIKE, UM, I'M GOING TO BE, AND I'M A, A RESIDENT OF SEDONA, UH, 20 YEARS UP ON SNE HILL ROAD. I'M RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT. I FEEL LIKE I'M, UM, UH, WELL, AN OLD TIMER HERE BECAUSE ACTUALLY WE BOUGHT OUR FIRST PROPERTY IN SEDONA IN THE VILLAGE IN 83. SO I'VE SEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT GO ON IN SEDONA AND AROUND THE AREA. UH, I THINK THAT THE [02:15:01] OLSON DEVELOPMENT IS A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT. HE'S A QUALITY DEVELOPER. I WELCOME. AND I THINK THAT HIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE AN ASSET TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MIRIAM. WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY DAVID TRACY, GOOD EVENING. START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY RESIDENCE, PLEASE. MY NAME IS MIRIAM WECKER AND I'VE OWNED A HOME IN SEDONA FOR 40 YEARS. THANK YOU. UM, I AM ABSOLUTELY, COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY OPPOSED TO THE SCALE OF MR. OLSON'S RESORT. UM, IT WILL IMPACT US. I HAVE A HOME RIGHT ACROSS FROM LEBERS. THE CREEK WALK WILL IMPACT US. THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WILL IMPACT US. THE CITY COUNCIL, THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, SAID THAT WE HAVE NO EMERGENCY EXIT PLAN. YOU PUT IN ANOTHER HUGE RESORT, WE WILL BE STUCK AT SN HILL ROAD TO GET OUT. NOT ONLY US, EVERYBODY UP SN HILL, EVERYBODY IN THE TRAILER PARK AND ALL OF THE RESIDENTS. YOU ALSO ARE PROPOSING A CREEK WALK THAT WILL HAVE HORRIBLE NEGATIVE EFFECTS, NOT ONLY ON US, BUT THE ENTIRE CITY. YOU WANNA OPEN UP AN AREA TO WHAT? WE HAVE SIX, EIGHT, 10 MILLION VISITORS EVERY YEAR. THEY'RE GONNA BE WALKING BASICALLY IN MY BACKYARD. YOU ASKED COUNCILWOMAN IF IT AFFECTED THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT WILL INDEED. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A CREEK WALK. AND ON HOLIDAYS ESPECIALLY, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WALK ACROSS CONSTANTLY. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WALK DOWN OUR ROAD CONSTANTLY, EVEN THOUGH THAT IT IS SIGNED, IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, THE CREEK ITSELF IS OWNED BY THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ALONG IT. AND LE BEARS. WE, WE, WE OWN IT. WE EACH OWN HALF. SO WHAT IF SOMETHING HURT? WHAT IF A CHILD GETS HURT OR DIES IN THE CREEK? AM I LIABLE? OR IS THE CITY GOING TO TAKE THAT ON? AND IF MR. OLSON WANTS TO PUMP MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER OUT OF THE CREEK, SO WHAT WE'LL END UP WITH, WHICH IS A SHINING JEWEL IN THIS CITY, THE RED ROCKS AND THE CREEK, IT WILL END UP A, A TOILET BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL GO IN THE CREEK. IF THEY HAVE THAT ACCESS, THEY WILL. AND DURING COVID, WE HAD DOZENS AND DOZENS AND DOZENS OF PEOPLE THAT SET IN THE CREEK ALL DAY LONG. THEY CAME ONTO OUR PROPERTY, THEY DRANK OUT OF WINE BOTTLES, OUT OF BEER BOTTLES. THEY BROUGHT FOOD. AND ACCORDING TO, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU CAN'T EVEN HAVE A PICNIC IF YOU HAVE A CREEK WALK. AND YET, I'M SURE, I'M ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT PEOPLE WILL, AND, AND IF THE RESORT IS SMALLER, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A SMALLER RESORT. BUT WE ARE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY ALL OF THIS. AND THE WHOLE ENTIRE CITY WILL BE, IF YOU TAKE THE CROWNING JEWEL OF THIS CITY, OAK CREEK AND TURN IT INTO A SLIDE ROCK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY, IT'S INSANITY. AND ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT THINK THIS IS SUCH A GRAND IDEA, THEY'RE GONNA FIND OUT. AND AS THE, AS THE FOREST MAN SAID OVER THERE, WE DON'T WANT MORE PEOPLE IN OUR RIPARIAN AREAS. AND THIS IS RIPARIAN DURING COVID, WHEN ALL THOSE DOZENS OF PEOPLE WERE THERE. ONE, ONE SECOND. I'LL FINISH MY STATEMENT. FINISH YOUR STATEMENT. THE DUCKS LEFT, THE EAGLES LEFT, THE ANIMALS LEFT. AND IT'S TAKING SEVERAL YEARS TO BEGIN TO SEE THEM COME BACK. YOU OPEN IT UP TO THE WORLD. YOU'VE LOST IT. THANK YOU. THINK ABOUT IT. OKAY, MIRIAM. OKAY. THAT WAS YOU. OKAY. OKAY, DAVID, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, NICHOLAS WOOD CITY NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. DAVID DAVID, TRACY SEDONA, RESIDENT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 26 YEARS. THERE ARE FOUR SYSTEMIC ISSUES WITH THIS PROJECT THAT I THINK MIGHT BE PROBLEMATIC FOR THE CITY IN THIS LITIGATION. UH, THE FIRST ONE IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING. COMMISSIONERS ARE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL WITH A MANDATE TO EVALUATE PROJECTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH REGULATORY DOCUMENTS, SUCH AS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND NOT TO BE INFLUENCED BY PUBLIC OPINION OR OPPOSITION. CITY COUNCIL. ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU FOLKS ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND YOU SHOULD CONSIDER PUBLIC OPINION, WHICH IN THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT IS OPPOSED TO ANY NEW LODGING. [02:20:02] SO THIS PUTS PRESSURE ON COUNSEL TO DENY NEW LODGING PROJECTS. APPARENTLY, TO THE EXTENT NOW OF CONSIDERING ABOLISHING THE OC DONNING ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IN MY OPINION WOULD BE A SERIOUS MISTAKE, THIS IS GONNA BE A PROBLEM OF DISCONNECT WITH THE COURT. SECOND ISSUE IS, IN AN APPEAL COUNCIL SHOULD ONLY EVALUATE A PROJECT USING THE SAME INFORMATION AND APPROVAL CRITERIA AS WAS USED BY PLANNING AND ZONING, COUNCIL SHOULD NOT CONSIDER NEW INFORMATION OR IMPOSE NEW CRITERIA OR DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PROPERLY VETTED BY THE COMMUNITY AND CODIFIED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR OTHER REGULATORY DOCUMENTS. NUMBER THREE, THE PUBLIC OPPOSITION TO NEW LODGING IS BASED ON THE INCREASE IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS. BUT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THIS MANAGED LODGING PROJECTS. AND OUR ST THE FORMER WILL HAVE ONSITE 24 7 CONTROL OVER OCCUPANCY. THEY'LL HAVE SHUTTLES, THEY'LL HAVE VALET PARKING, AND THEY'LL HAVE AMENITIES WHICH ARE DESIGNED TO KEEP THE GUESTS ON SITE AND OFF THE ROAD WITH THEIR VEHICLES. IN CONTRAST, OUR SHORT-TERM RENTALS APPARENTLY HAVE NO REGULATORY LIMITS ON THE NUMBER OF BEDS OR VEHICLES PER DWELLING UNIT, WHICH OBVIOUSLY ADDS TO OUR TRAFFIC CONGESTION. SO JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE LOST CONTROL OVER THE CONVERSION OF DWELLING UNITS TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS DOES NOT GIVE US GROUNDS TO DENY A MANAGED LODGING PROJECT THAT MEETS ALL THE RELEVANT CRITERIA. AND NUMBER FOUR, MOST OF US BELIEVE IN LOCAL CONTROL. SO THE TESTIMONY OF RESIDENTS WHO LIVE 24 7 IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA SHOULD BE GIVEN MORE WEIGHT THAN THE OPINIONS OF RESIDENTS WHO LIVE OUTSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. RECALL THAT THE PRIMARY GOAL OF THIS OC ZONING WAS TO OFFER ALTERNATIVES TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH IN THIS INSTANCE WOULD'VE RESULTED IN A GREATER NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL BEDS AND VEHICLES, WHICH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD, WOULD OPPOSE. SO GIVEN THE ABOVE ISSUES, I ENCOURAGE COUNSEL TO END THIS LITIGATION BY SIMPLY REAFFIRMING PLANNING AND ZONING'S RECOMMENDATION, IF THERE ARE ENOUGH VOTES TO DO SO. BUT IF NOT, APPROVING THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WOULD BE A SECOND CHOICE. BUT LEGAL CONTRACTS LIKE THIS SCARE ME BECAUSE THEY'RE AN OPEN INVITE TO FUTURE LITIGATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, NICK WOOD WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ANTHONY EK. ANTHONY, ARE YOU HERE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS? MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, NICK WOOD SNELLEN WILER ONE EAST WASHINGTON STREET, AND I REPRESENT ARTIE OLSON. UM, I'VE BEEN A ZONING AND LAND USE ATTORNEY FOR 43 PLUS YEARS. LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN DISTINCTION BETWEEN, UM, LEGISLATIVE DECISIONS, ADMINISTRATIVE DECISIONS. UM, NOW I WANNA TALK ABOUT WHAT I LOVE TO DO BEST, AND THAT'S PROBLEM SOLVING. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE TO DO IS APPROACH ISSUES, FIND SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS AND AGREEMENT, AND THEN COME TO A SOLUTION, UM, A COMPROMISE, IF YOU WILL. AND WHENEVER YOU HAVE COMPROMISE, EVERYBODY DOESN'T GET EVERYTHING THEY WANT, BUT EVERYBODY GETS SOMETHING AND IT USUALLY ALWAYS WORKS OUT PRETTY WELL. AT LEAST THAT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE. UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO APPROVE THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT BECAUSE AGAIN, IT, IT SOLVES A PROBLEM AND IT ALSO RESPONDED TO THE ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED, UH, THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE. I DO HAVE ONE CORRECTION THOUGH, IF I MAY. MAYOR. UM, IN THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, IT REFERS TO COMPACT CAR PARKING STALLS. IT WAS A TYPO. IT'S NOT 22, IT'S ACTUALLY 11. SO IT'S ONLY 11 COMPACT PARKING STALLS AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN. AND WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU, KURT. YOU AWARE OF THAT? MENTIONED TYPO. OKAY. ANTHONY, YOU'RE ONLY ONLY FOR QUESTIONS. YES. OKAY. WELL, WE'LL SEE IF WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS. UH, GREGORY GRA SAME ONLY, ONLY FOR QUESTIONS. OKAY. BOB OLSON AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. I FIGURED YOU WOULD BE. YOU WERE MY MY GO-TO PERSON FOR THAT. ALRIGHT. ERIC BRANT WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, TIMOTHY, UH, LASORDA, UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. I'M ERIC BRAT, LIVE IN SEDONA. UM, I WEAR MANY HATS IN THIS PROCESS BECAUSE I WAS ON PLANNING AND ZONING WHEN THE, UH, ORIGINAL, UM, [02:25:01] DISTRICT WAS CREATED AND SAW THE MASTER PLANNING GOING THROUGH THAT. I'VE BEEN HIRED BY THE DEVELOPERS AS BEING A LOCAL CONSULTANT TO HELP DECIPHER WHAT THINGS LIKE HERITAGE ARE. UM, SO, UM, I DO ENCOURAGE YOU TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE APPROVAL PROCESS, UM, WITH THE, UH, HEARING TODAY. I ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH AND KEEP THE PLANNING INTACT, UH, FOR THE DISTRICT AND NOT, UH, ABANDON IT. UM, SOMETHING THAT I FOLLOW, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP WITH WHAT DAVID HAD JUST SAID. REGARDING, UH, THE SIZE OF, UH, RESIDENCES THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR ST. UH, THE DISTRICT IS MOSTLY OR ENTIRELY NOT WITHIN A, UM, AN HOA. SO ALL THE PROPERTIES COULD BE ST, THERE IS NO LIMIT ON THE SIZE OF A, OF A HOME OR THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS WHERE, SO THAT, THAT KIND OF MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S OPEN-ENDED, THE MASTER PLANNING OF THE PROPERTY ALLOWS AND OF THE DISTRICT KIND OF ENSURES THAT IF THERE IS LODGING, THAT THERE IS CONTROL AND THE MASTER PLANNING. SO, UM, IT'S BEEN, UH, INTERESTING SEEING THIS PROCESS FROM BOTH SIDES. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH PLANNING AND THE PLANNING THAT'S BEEN DONE. THE PLANNING, UH, AS FAR AS THE DISTRICT, THE PLANNING THAT HAS BEEN DONE TO ADDRESS THE DISTRICT'S, UH, ALLOWANCES AND, UM, TO CONTINUE AND ALLOW THAT DISTRICT TO, UH, TO EXIST IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE OPEN SPACE FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND, UH, FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ERIC. UH, TIMOTHY LATA WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MICHELLE THOMAS. UH, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL TIMOTHY LATA 2198 EAST COUNTBACK ROAD IN PHOENIX. AND I HOPE YOU, UH, YOU DID RECEIVE THE LETTER I SENT. IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY READ IT. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS NOTION THAT, UH, IF SOMEONE SUES YOU AS PART OF A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO, TO NOT FOLLOW YOUR CITY CODE. AND THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE. IT IS TRUE THAT YOU CAN SETTLE THE LAWSUIT AGAINST YOU. IT IS NOT TRUE TO SAY THAT THAT GIVES YOU THE, THE RIGHT TO NOT FOLLOW YOUR CITY CODE WHEN SETTLING THAT LAWSUIT. I MEAN, YOU COULD APPROVE A NEW APPLICATION THAT COULD BE PART OF THE SETTLEMENT. I MENTIONED IN MY LETTER, THIS IS A NEW APPLICATION. IT IS MATERIALLY DIFFERENT. I MEAN, THE BOTTOM LINE THAT THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN. HE WANTS TO STEAMROLL THROUGH THE CITY CODE AND, AND GO STRAIGHT TO THIS THING THAT, THAT YOU CANNOT DO. UH, SETTLEMENTS SOMETIMES INVOLVE MONEY. THERE'S A, A LOT OF THINGS A SETTLEMENT COULD INVOLVE THAT WOULD NOT VIOLATE YOUR CITY CODE. THIS RECONSIDERATION IS NOT ONE OF THEM. IT CLEARLY VIOLATES YOUR CITY CODE, WHICH SAYS YOUR DECISION IS FINAL. UM, BUT, UH, IT, IT JUST IN TERMS OF THE, THE LAWSUIT THAT WAS FILED, IT, IT'S, IT'S HIGHLY, I KNOW THAT THE GENTLEMAN EARLIER TALKED ABOUT FOUR POINTS. I, I MEAN, MEAN I FILED MANY SUCH LAWSUITS, ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS. THEY'RE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYBODY TO WIN AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT. UM, IT'S ANY, ANY, ANY PRACTICALLY ANY SHRED OF EVIDENCE. I THINK SUBSTAN, UH, SUBSTANTIAL CREDIBLE EVIDENCE IS WHAT THE COURTS USE. BUT YOU JUST DON'T WIN THOSE CASES. UH, THEIR, THEIR LAWSUIT BOILS DOWN TO THEY JUST DISAGREE WITH, WITH YOU, WITH THE FOUR PEOPLE WHO VOTED AGAINST IT. PLANNING SAID PLANNING AND ZONING SAID YES. FOUR OF YOU SAID NO, AND THEY JUST DISAGREED. BUT THAT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WHAT YOU DID WAS ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS ILLEGAL. IT WAS NONE OF THOSE THINGS. UM, IT, IT'S, THE OTHER THING ABOUT THIS IS, YEAH, YOU KNOW, BACK IN, WHENEVER THIS WAS HEARD IN, IN JUNE, YOU COULD HAVE, YOU COULD HAVE MADE AMENDMENTS. UM, BUT THE VOTE WAS THE VOTE. IT WAS FINAL, AND THAT WAS IT. THE OTHER THING ABOUT THIS, WE HAVEN'T EVEN HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE SEDONA CITY CODE THAT TALKS ABOUT, YEAH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA SUSPEND THE RULES, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A THREE QUARTERS VOTE. UH, THAT GOES OUT THE WINDOW TOO. WELL, WE'LL SEE WHAT THE VOTE IS, BUT, UM, AND I, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO TO KNOW WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S POSITION IS ON THAT. BUT THE SEDONA CITY CODE SAYS YOU GOTTA HAVE A THREE QUARTERS VOTE. ROBERT'S RULES SAYS THIS VOTE IS, IS OUT OF ORDER UNDER THE RULES BECAUSE IT WAS, THE MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION WAS NOT MADE IN THE MEETING. AND OF COURSE, YOUR, YOUR MINUTES ADOPT OR YOUR, YOUR CODE ADOPTS ROBERT RULES. SO, UM, JUST A COUPLE LAST POINTS. I I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS YOU JUST, YOU MADE A DECISION, UH, YOU GOT SUED OVER IT. THAT, THAT'S TYPICAL FOR, FOR GOVERNMENT. I MEAN, YOU JUST, YOU GOTTA STICK WITH THE DECISION. YOUR CODE REQUIRES YOU TO STICK WITH THAT DECISION OR APPROVE A NEW APPLICATION. YOU COULD DO THAT, BUT THAT TAKES TIME. [02:30:01] BUT IF YOU, IF YOU SETTLE, IT'S JUST GONNA BE AN INVITATION TO MORE LAWSUITS. AND ESPECIALLY SINCE THE POSITION IS THAT, THAT IF YOU'RE SUED, THEN THE SET YOU CAN, UNDER THE NAME OF YOUR SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, YOU CAN VIOLATE YOUR CITY CODE. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. OKAY, MICHELLE THOMAS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, BRIAN MEYERS. HELLO, I'M MICHELLE THOMAS. I AM A CITY OF SCOTTSDALE RESIDENT, BUT I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MY GRANDPA THAT BUILT HIS HOUSE IN 82. UM, THIS NEW REVISION OR SETTLEMENT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES OR WHERE THE EMERGENCY SERVICES WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE HOTEL IN GENERAL, WHERE THEY'LL PARK. UM, AS FAR AS THE 22 PARKING SPOTS FOR COMPACT CARS VERSUS IT BEING A TYPO, ONE BEING AN 11, IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH THE PICTURE? BECAUSE I THINK ON THE PICTURE IT SHOWS MORE THAN 11 SPOTS. ADDITIONALLY, THIS DOESN'T ADDRESS WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE RIPARIAN AREA. UM, THE FOREST SERVICE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE OVERUSE OF ONE AREA AND WHAT THAT AREA LOOKS LIKE. NOW, HOW IN 20 YEARS IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANYTHING 'CAUSE TREES AREN'T GROWING. GRASS ISN'T GROWING. IF YOU LOOK AT LE BEAR NOW, IT ALREADY HAS IT HAPPENING AND THIS HOTEL IS ADDING THEIR CREEK SPOT. AND THEN YOU GUYS HAVE THIS PLAN FOR A CREEK WALK. SO BASICALLY YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO ERODE WITH THIS PLAN, BOTH SIDES OF THE CREEK, THE LASTING IMPACT OF THAT. I MEAN, THE CREEK WILL BE GONE. NOT TO MENTION THE BRIDGE YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT OVER THE CREEK WHERE WE GET ONE GOOD FLOOD, A TREE BLOCKS THAT, UM, BRIDGE, THE WATER STOPS, AND THEN OUR HOUSES ARE GET, GET FLOODED. SO THAT WAY THIS HOTEL CAN HAVE A CREEK WALK DAMAGING OUR PROPERTIES. HOW IS THAT FAIR? UM, ALSO NOT AFFECTING US, WE DO OWN TO THE CENTER OF THE CREEK. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL OF THIS FOOT TRAFFIC IN OUR BACKYARD. WHO'S GONNA POLICE WHEN IT'S OPEN? WHO'S GOING TO STOP? PEOPLE FROM LITTERING? WHO'S GONNA PICK UP THE TRASH? WHO'S GOING TO STOP PEOPLE FROM GOING IN THE WATER, TAKE ON ANY LIABILITY OF SOMEONE GETTING HURT? HOW ARE YOU GONNA MAKE THAT A DA COMPLIANT? BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK ON THE SIDE OF THE CREEK, NOW IT'S UP AND DOWN. THERE'S NO WAY A WHEELCHAIR WOULD BE ABLE TO GO OVER THAT. SO ARE YOU GUYS GONNA BE READY FOR THE LAWSUITS FOR NOT BEING A DA COMPLIANT AND NOT BEING, YOU KNOW, ACCESSIBLY FRIENDLY? UM, THE PARKING, YOU GUYS HAVE THIS CREEK WALK THAT'S GONNA GO ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CREEK. IT'S GOING TO BE A HOT SPOT. YOU LOOK AT ANY OTHER WATERWAY IN ARIZONA, AND IT IS PACKED IN THE SUMMER. AND WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GONNA PARK IN ORDER TO ACCESS IT? BECAUSE THE HOTEL'S ALREADY MAXED OUT. WE ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE PARKING UP SNUBBY HILL NOW, AND THERE'S NOT EVEN THAT ADDITION OF THIS WILDLY LARGE HOTEL AND THIS EXCESSIVE CREASE WALK. ADDITIONALLY, THIS CREEK WALK STILL DOES NOT ADDRESS THE POINT FOR PEOPLE TO EVEN ACCESS THE CREEK WALK IN THE FIRST PLACE. THE HOTEL IS GIVING AN EASEMENT, BUT THE HOTEL'S EASEMENT HAS NO ACCESS FOR THEM TO GET FROM BARE WALLOW TO THEM UNLESS THE PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH THE HOTEL'S PROPERTY. SO IF THE HOTEL'S OPENING UP THEIR PROPERTY FOR THE ENTIRE CREEK WALK, THAT'S NOT ADDRESSED ON HERE. WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE GONNA HAVE TO TRESPASS TO ENTER THIS, UM, CREEK WALK? SO I JUST REALLY DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY IT DOESN'T AFFECT US, BECAUSE HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU HAD A PUBLIC WALKWAY IN YOUR BACKYARD? I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. UM, THEN THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY, THANK YOU MICHELLE. UH, I GUESS IT'S BRIAN MYERS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY STEVE NER, UH, COUNSEL AND THE MAYOR. UM, I'M BRIAN MYERS. I'M A 30 YEAR RESIDENT OF SEDONA. UH, I'M ALSO THE HEAD OF THE SEDONA VERDE VALLEY SIERRA CLUB. AND I HAVE, UH, JUST, THIS WAS JUST BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION YESTERDAY, SO I REALLY HAD NOT, NOT MUCH TIME TO LOOK INTO THIS MANNER. UH, I HAVE BEEN, I HAVE CONSULTED AND ALLOWED INPUT INTO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS HERE IN THE AREA, INCLUDING WITH, UH, WORKING WITH HAL SPECTER AND THE CITY ON THE NEW, UH, THE NEW BRIDGE THAT WAS AT, UH, TILAK. AND, UH, I JUST WOULD, UH, REQUEST THAT I BE CONSULTED AND ALLOWED TO HAVE INPUT INTO THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGE PROJECT, UM, LAYOUT AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT'S CREEK WALK CONCERNING ITS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. I'M OPEN TO DISCUSSING HOW WE MAY, UH, ORCHESTRATE MY PARTICIPATION AND APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL'S AGREEMENT TO THE SIERRA CLUB INPUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BRIAN. STEVE EGNER WILL BE FOLLOWED BY AL ELLO. STEVE, YOU KNOW THE DRILL. I KNOW THE DRILL. STEVE EGNER, A LOCAL RESIDENT 25 YEARS, OWN A SMALL HOTEL, UH, IN SEDONA. UH, THE NEW HOTEL IS AS IN WALKING DISTANCE OF MY HOTEL. [02:35:01] THAT BEING SAID, I STILL THINK THEY COULD BE SUCCESSFUL. . UM, I, I, I SUPPORT THIS HOTEL. BRING THE MIC UP, STEVE. I SUPPORT THIS HOTEL. I THINK THEY'VE JUMPED THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS. I THINK THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY HAS ASKED. UH, I THINK THAT I WANT TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR BRINGING THIS BACK UP AND LOOKING AT IT AGAIN. I KNOW SOME OF THE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE TOOK THE TIME AND THE ENERGY TO SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THIS IN DETAIL. I WANNA THANK YOU VERY MUCH, NO MATTER WHICH WAY IT GOES. UM, I DO THINK WE NEED TO KEEP ONE THING IN IN MIND. WE ARE A TOUR TOWN. WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE SPOTS NOW FOR HOTELS THAT THEY'RE EVEN LEFT. UH, THIS HOTEL WILL BRING IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN TAX REVENUE. UH, THEY WILL PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF, OF LIVING IN SEDONA. UM, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE A GOOD CITIZEN. THEY WERE IN WALKING DISTANCE AT LOCKE AND THE CI AND THE CITY OF SEDONA NOW HAS A GREAT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THEY CAN USE THIS SYSTEM TO GET AROUND AND LEAVE THEIR CARS. SO I SUPPORT THIS. I THINK THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE RECONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. STEVE ELLO WILL BE OUR FINAL SPEAKER OF ANY EL OH, WAIT A MINUTE. OH, LAST, OH GEE, SOMEBODY CAME IN BEHIND BEHIND ME. I LIKE BEING THE LAST LUKE AL CAMELO RESIDENT OF SEDONA. UM, I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO ADD. I AGREE A LOT WITH WHAT DAVID SAID. AND I BELIEVE, UH, TODAY THIS, UM, ISSUE WILL BE BEHIND US AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON SO MANY OTHER WONDERFUL THINGS AND PROJECTS THAT SEDONA HAS IN FRONT OF IT. AND, UH, I JUST HAD ONE THOUGHT THAT HIT ME A COUPLE DAYS AGO THAT WHEN A GUEST STAYS AT A FINE RESORT LIKE THIS, UM, THAT'S ONE LESS HOUSE BEING RENTED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AL. LUKE, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK, YOU'LL HAVE TO DROP YOUR CAR CARD OFF AT THE CITY CLERK. NO, NO, NOT YET. HOLD. YOU GOT WAIT YOUR TURN. NO, GO OVER TO THE CITY CLERK. DROP THE CARD OFF. GEE, YOU'VE ONLY DONE THIS ABOUT A COUPLE DOZEN TIMES. LAUREN THOMAS IS NEXT, FOLLOWED BY LUKE SEPTON. HI. UM, I JUST WANNA SPEAK AS SOMEONE TALK WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. SORRY, LAUREN THOMAS AND IN SCOTTSDALE. IN SEDONA. UM, I JUST WANNA SPEAK ON SOMEONE WHO FOLLOWED THE PROCESS AND DID WHAT I WAS TOLD THAT I COULD DO AS A CITIZEN. UM, WHEN I FIRST DID THAT AND I WAS MET AT THIS MEETING, WE WERE TOLD THAT THERE WAS OPEN MEETING VIOLATIONS AND THAT YOU GUYS WEREN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING AT THAT TIME. UM, DESPITE THAT, US AND THE OTHER GROUP BOTH TOLD YOU GUYS WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS WRONG AND DEFICIENT IN THE HOTEL. AND WHAT WE SAW IS THE ISSUES THAT NEEDED TO BE FIXED IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE APPROVED. UM, DESPITE ALL OF THAT, YOU GUYS DID HEAR US AND YOU SAW THE THINGS THAT WE SAW AND YOU ULTIMATELY OVERTURNED IT. UM, I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS THE END. THE HOTEL WOULD ADDRESS IT AND THEN IT WOULD BE BACK INSTEAD. UM, I WAS MET WITH A PROCESS SERVER AT MY HOUSE AND I WAS ALSO SUED. UM, AND FROM GOING THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS, I JUST KIND OF WONDER WHAT IS THE POINT OF DOING IT IF WE'RE JUST GONNA BE MET WITH LAWSUITS AND THEN NOT GET ANYTHING OUT OF IT ANYWAY. UM, IN TERMS OF THE CREEK WALK WHERE OUR HOMES ARE, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT FENCES UP. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT WALLS UP. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM COMING INTO OUR HOUSE. UM, INVITING MORE PEOPLE TO COME TO OUR PRIVATE AREA IS, IT'S WRONG. UM, YOU GUYS WOULDN'T LIKE IF IT HAPPENED TO YOU, BUT IT KEEPS HAPPENING TO US. AND FOR OUR FAMILY. WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR DIFFERENT THINGS FROM THIS FOR YEARS, AND EVERY TIME WE'RE JUST MET WITH THE SAME, THE DEVELOPER, THE FEES, WHATEVER. AND, UM, I JUST WOULD HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LISTEN TO YOUR CITIZENS. I FOLLOWED A PROCESS THAT WAS AFFORDED TO ME AND ALL THAT I'VE GOTTEN IS A RESULT IS SUED AND HAVE SERVERS COME TO MY HOUSE. SO THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. LUKE SEPTON. JOANNE, YOU HAVE THE CARD, RIGHT? OKAY. LUKE SEPTON IS THE LAST SPEAKER. YEP. NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. LUKE SEPTON. SEDONA. UM, YEAH, A COUPLE THINGS. UM, YOU KNOW, FRED TALKED ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE AND STUFF. UM, YOU KNOW, FRED, YOU'VE KNOWN HIS REPUTATION HERE IN THE COMMUNITY AND HIS INTEGRITY. UM, WHAT HE FOUND OUT WAS HE HAD A COUPLE FRIENDS, GOOD FRIENDS OF HIS THAT KNEW BOB OLSON. SO HE CALLED THEM TO FIND OUT WHAT KIND OF GUY THIS WAS AND WHAT HE WOULD BE UP TO. SO, UM, THIS IS JUST NOT, UM, BUT BOB'S GREAT WORK WITH, I HAVE A LOT OF GOOD CLIENTS THAT ARE JUST FANTASTIC TO WORK WITH, AND I CONSIDER BOB ONE OF 'EM. UM, IN FACT, UH, ONE OF THEM JUST GOT A TWO KEY AWARD. SO IF YOU GOT, UH, THE MICHELIN STAR AWARD IS FOR RESTAURANTS. THE KEY AWARD IS FOR RESORTS. AND I THINK THERE'S ONLY LIKE THREE IN THE STATE, [02:40:01] AND TWO OF THEM WERE HERE IN TOWN. ONE WAS STEVE EGNER AND THE OTHER WAS AMTE. AND I GUARANTEE YOU BOB'S NOT GONNA LET THAT SLIDE. SO HE, HE'LL, HE'LL WANT TO GET THAT THIRD KEY. SO, BUT ANYWAY, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ATTENTION TO DETAIL SERVICE THE WAY YOU'RE OPERATING, THE WAY YOU SERVICE IT TO EVEN QUALIFY FOR THAT. AND I DON'T DOUBT HE'S GOING TO GIVE AMTE A, UH, RUN FOR IT FOR THAT. UM, VALET PARKING AT AM BIANCA HAS HAD A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC GOING ON AND OFF. WE'VE BEEN WATCHING THAT. UM, IN FACT, SOME OF THE, UM, RES OR SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE STAYED THERE, THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR FAVORITE THINGS WAS THAT THEY COULD LEAVE THEIR CAR AND COULD GET OTHER PLACES REAL SIMPLY. SO, UM, SO THE VALET PARKING WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION ON TRAFFIC. UM, AND THEN THE CREEK WALK. I MEAN, THAT'S A LONG ARGUMENT, BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT. WE JUST HAVE TO GIVE UP AN EASEMENT AS THE, THE CITY WHEN THEY GO THROUGH ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. WE'LL ASK THAT. UM, SO, BUT, UM, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF PINS ON THE CREEK WALK. BUT ANYWAYS, I, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT FRED'S EXPERIENCE AND HE, HE VALIDATED A LOT OF THINGS THAT I FELT TOO. SO THANK YOU AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WILL CLOSE OUR PUBLIC HEARING. WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL AND WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. WHAT WOULD COUNSEL WISH TO TAKE A BREAK NOW OR JUST COMPLETE THE, UH, THE PROCESS. COMPLETE IT. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO QUESTIONS FOR, UH, MR. OLSON, KURT CHRISTENSEN, OUR ATTORNEY, OR ANYBODY ELSE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I DO HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR OUR ATTORNEY. THE FIRST IS, WE HEARD AN ASSERTION THAT A THREE QUARTER, UH, VOTE WOULD BE REQUIRED UP HERE IS WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THAT? UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND COUNCILOR KINSELLA, THERE'S NO THREE QUARTERS REQUIREMENT FOR THE, TO APPROVE AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR PRIOR DECISION OR TO APPROVE THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. IS THAT GONNA BE A MAJORITY OF THE ENTIRE PUBLIC BODY, WHICH WAS JUST BEFORE IN THIS CASE? THANK YOU. AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, PART OF THE PART OF THIS WOULD BE INCLUDE THE SUSPENSION OF THE COUNCIL RULES PROCEDURE THREE E 1 1 3 E 11. UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, COULD YOU JUST SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THAT SUSPENSION PLEASE? YEAH, SO, SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THE, THE ACTUAL, UM, SUSPENSION OF THE RULE WOULD JUST BE THE SUSPENSION OF THE 60 DAY LIMITATION ON RECONSIDERATIONS. UH, AND THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY COUNCIL CAN REVIEW THIS. IN ADDITION TO AMENDING ITS PRIOR DECISION, IT COULD ALSO RECONSIDER IT. CURRENTLY THE, UH, COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE LIMIT RECONSIDERATIONS WITHIN 60 DAYS OF THE, UM, THE ACTION TAKEN, THIS WOULD BE LIMITED, THE 60 DAY ONE, SO THEY COULD RECONSIDER IT IN A LONGER TIME PERIOD. NOW, AS FAR AS THE CONFLICT, UH, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED BY MR. OTTA, THE, UM, THE ORDINANCE ADOPTING, UH, THAT, THAT SAYS THE ROBERT'S RULES OF PROCEDURE SHALL PERTAIN, UM, TO COUNCIL MEETINGS WAS ADOPTED IN 1988 WHEN THE COUNCIL, WHEN THE CITY WAS FIRST FORMED, AND IT'S PART OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT OF THE LAND OF, OR THE SECOND AMENDMENT OF THE SEDONA CITY CODE. UM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE AT THAT TIME. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE USING. THEY ONLY HAD THE ROBERTS RULES OF PROCEDURE TO HELP GUIDE THEM IN THEIR DELIBERATIVE PROCESS. UH, IN 2003, COUNCIL ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE, THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE. UM, AND SO THAT SUPERSEDES, UM, THAT ONE AND, AND IN THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE, IT'S CLEAR THAT, UH, WHILE ROBERT'S RULES CAN, WILL STILL, UH, GUIDE ONLY WHEN IT'S NOT IN CONFLICT WITH, UM, THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE. SO RULE FOUR OF COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE STATES THAT IT, UM, SUPERSEDES IN ANY CONFLICT WITH ROBERT'S RULES. SO FOR, FOR OVER 20 YEARS, COUNSEL HAS NOT USED ROBERT RULES AS ITS GUIDING, UM, PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE. UH, BUT BEYOND THAT, ROBERT'S RULES HAS NO LIMITATION ON AMENDING PRIOR DECISIONS. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NO TIME LIMITATION COUNCIL CAN, AND, AND, AND INDEED, WHY WOULD THERE BE LEGISLATIVE BODIES? UH, DELIBERATIVE BODIES ALWAYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT PAST DECISIONS AND MAKE BETTER ONES IF THAT'S WHAT THEY DETERMINE TO DO. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS SIDE? NO, DEREK, UH, TIMING WISE, I'M GONNA WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE DO THAT. WHEN'S THE APPROPRIATE TIME AFTER QUESTIONS? WELL, LET'S ASK, ASK THE QUESTIONS THEN. I THINK YOU, YOU COULD, WE COULD DO THAT. SO [02:45:01] WE, THIS WAY WE GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY. OKAY. OKAY. BUT THANKS FOR ASKING QUESTIONS ON THIS SIDE. OKAY. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO THE RESIDENTS BROUGHT UP THAT THEY OWN INTO THE CREEK, BUT, UH, DOES THAT INCLUDE ACROSS THE CREEK WHERE THE CREEK WALK WILL BE? ARE WE PUTTING THE CREEK WALK INTO ONTO THEIR PROPERTY? NO. SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WHAT THEY INDICATED AND, AND IS LIKELY TRUE THAT THE PROPERTY LINE IS TO THE CENTER LINE OF THE CREEK. RIGHT? UM, IT DEPENDS ON EXACTLY WHAT THEIR DEEDS SAY, WHETHER IT'S GONNA MOVE WITH THE CREEK OR NOT, OR BE SET IN STONE. AND SOMETIMES THE CREEK MOVES AWAY FROM YOUR PROPERTY. SOMETIMES IT COULD COME BACK, I DON'T KNOW, HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO EXACTLY WHAT THEIR PROPERTY BOUNDARIES ARE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, LAYA BEARS AND AMARO AND, AND, UM, A ROBLES ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS THE CREEK. UM, BUT I THINK ONE KEY POINT THERE IS THIS, THE AT LEAST STAFF'S IDEA OF THIS, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE ONE OF THE LUKE SEFTON SAID THIS, NOTHING REQUIRES COUNCIL TO BUILD THE CREEK WALK. UM, THE MONEY'S BEING OFFERED IS GOOD FOR 15 YEARS. IF COUNCIL DECIDES IT'S NOT RIGHT OR, OR YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE BUILT, THEN IT, YOU KNOW, THEN IT WON'T EVER USE IT. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL COULD HAVE A LOT MORE DISCUSSIONS ON AND PUBLIC DISCUSSION. BUT STAFF'S IDEA OF A CREEK WALK IS NOT A SLIDE ROCK. IT'S AN ACTUAL CREEK WALK WITH SPLIT RAILING, UM, AND SIGNS AND, AND ARGUABLY PROBABLY AN ORDINANCE PROHIBITING OFF TRAIL WALKING. UM, AND THAT COULD BE SUBJECT TO FINES. UH, YOU HAVE THE PARK RANGERS DOWN THERE, UM, SIMILAR TYPES OF ENFORCEMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IS TRULY JUST A CREEK WALK AND NOT A A CREEK RECREATION AREA. THANK YOU. UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS MENTIONED, AND I FIRST I'M HEARING ABOUT THIS, THAT MR. OLSON IS DOING SOME KIND OF, HE'S PUMPING WATER. DO, HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THAT WAS UH, MENTIONED IN, IN BOTH THE P AND ZI HEARING, I BELIEVE, AND COUNCIL'S HEARING IN JUNE, THEY HAVE, UM, THE PROPERTY THEY ACQUIRED COMES WITH SOME RIGHTS TO, UM, IRRIGATION RIGHTS. UH, SO THEY CAN REMOVE, UH, WATER FROM THE PROPERTY JUST AS OTHERS ALONG OAK CREEK HAVE. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I JUST WANTED SOME IRRIGATION. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CONTROLS OR, OR, UM, YEAH. GENERALLY RULES ON OR A PINES ON. RIGHT. I JUST WANT, I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING MORE EXTREME THAN THAT. IT, IT WOULD NOT BE BEYOND WHAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO, TO DO. OKAY. UM, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS BROUGHT UP A QUESTION ABOUT THE EMERGENCY SERVICE ACCESS. AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM BEING THE PACKET THAT WITH THE CHANGES IN THE PARKING LOT, WHAT, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THE VICE MAYOR WAS, UH, CONCERNED ABOUT WAS PRIOR TO THIS CHANGE, THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH EMERGENCY ACCESS GETTING INTO THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE CARS PARKED ON THE ACCESS ROAD. THAT'S NO LONGER GOING TO BE THE CASE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. AND NOW THERE WILL BE ENOUGH CARS, ANO ENOUGH SPACES IN THE PARKING LOT FOR THOSE CARS TO PARK. CORRECT. MAYOR, THEY'VE MOVED THOSE PARKING SPACES AWAY FROM THE DRIVEWAY AND DRIVEWAY ACCESS. SO THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR EMERGENCY SERVICE. YES. WHICH IS WHAT I THOUGHT. UH, I'D LIKE SOMEONE TO CLARIFY THE 11 VERSUS 22 PARKING SPACES, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING NEW. UH, IF MR. OLSON CAN COME UP OR ONE OF ONE OF YOUR DESIGNEES TO ADDRESS WHY THERE'S AN ISSUE OR A CONFLICT AB ABOUT THE COMPACT PARKING SPACES. MAYOR. YEAH. YEAH. 11 VERSUS 22. GOOD EVENING. GREG BI ARCHITECT FOR RD OLSON. UM, IT WAS A, A TYPO IN THAT SET THAT YOU HAVE THE PL, UH, DC CODE REQUIRES OR IS A MINIMUM OF 10% OF THE TOTAL. THERE'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED 118, THAT'S 11.8. WE'LL ROUND DOWN ALL 118 CAN STILL BE PROVIDED WITH JUST 11 COMPACT. SO, SO THERE'LL STILL BE MORE PARKING SPACES NOW IT JUST WON'T BE, UH, CORRECT. WE INADVERTENTLY SHOWED MORE COMPACT IN THAT DRAWING THAT YOU HAVE. OKAY. BUT I ASSURE YOU IT CAN BE, IT CAN MEET THE LDC AT THE 10% MAX. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THEN THE A DA COMPLIANT, IF WE DO EVER GO FORWARD WITH A CREEK WALK AND THEN ALSO THE CREEK WALK BRIDGE BEING BLOCKED BY DEBRIS, HOW WOULD THAT BE ADDRESSED? I, I'LL JUST THE A DA AND LET ANDY DO THE BRIDGE. SO, UM, ONE, IT'S NOT REQUIRED AND, AND ACTUALLY THE RECREATIONAL IMMUNITY AS WELL. SO ANYONE THAT HAS A RECREATIONAL FEATURE ON THEIR PROPERTY, INCLUDING A CREEK, IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME ONTO YOUR PROPERTY UNINVITED AND, AND USE IT AND GET INJURED, UM, STATE, UH, HAS A RECREATIONAL IMMUNITY STATUTE THAT PRE PREVENTS THE OWNER FROM, FROM BEING SUED. UM, SO THE CITY USES THAT REGULARLY IN CITY PARKS. SO IF YOU COME TO THE CITY PARK, YES, WE DO. AND UNLESS WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, FAULTY PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND YOU GET, YOU'RE RUNNING AROUND THE PARK AND YOU GET HURT OR ON THE TENNIS COURTS OR WHEREVER, UM, THE CITY'S, UM, [02:50:01] PROTECTED FROM ANY LIABILITY FROM THAT. UH, AS FAR AS A DA, THE ENTIRE CREEK WALK, THE I, AND AGAIN, THIS IS SUPER EARLY IN THE, IN THE DESIGN AND PLANNING, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THE, THE WHAT'S SHOWN HERE WOULD BE A DA ACCESSIBLE, THE UNDERPASS IS A DA ACCESSIBLE, UM, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. UM, THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY NUMEROUS TRAILS IN THE WORLD THAT ARE NOT ALL A D ACCESSIBLE. UM, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT IT WOULD BE, AND THAT IT COULD BE. UM, BUT THAT HAS NOT, YOU KNOW, FULLY BEEN LOOKED INTO AND STUDIED. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, OKAY. THAT ANDY, ANDY, WANT TO GO AGAIN. SO ANY CROSSING THAT WE END UP BUILDING AS PART OF THE CREEK WALK WILL DE NEED TO BE PERMITTED. UM, SEVERAL AGENCIES WILL NEED TO PERMIT THAT, INCLUDING THE COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL. SO AS PART OF THEIR RE REVIEW, WE'LL NEED TO ENSURE THAT, UM, ADVERSE EFFECTS ON THE FLOODPLAIN DO NOT OCCUR. AND IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO THAT. OKAY. WELL THAT HELPS ME THA VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, UH, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION. NO, DEREK WAS, OH, I'M SORRY. YOU, THANK YOU. . THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO GO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO WE WILL, WE NEED TO STATE THE, THE REASON FOR IT. YES. AND HE SAID HE NEEDS TO MAKE THE MOTION. IT NEEDS TO BE SECONDED. OKAY. MAKE IT, MAKE THE MOTION. UM, [9. EXECUTIVE SESSION ] I MAKE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION SO THAT COUNSEL CONSULT WITH CAN CONSULT WITH COUNSEL, LEGAL COUNSEL FOR LEGAL COUNSEL. LEGAL LEGAL COUNSEL. LEGAL COUNSEL. COUNSEL. YEAH, I'M A COUNCIL TOO, SO, YEAH. PERFECT. EXACTLY. OKAY. SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. WE ARE NOW IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE'LL BE BACK. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE. WE'LL NOW COME BACK INTO PUBLIC SESSION. WE'LL CONTINUE [8.b. AB 3166 Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding approval of a Settlement Agreement with Olson Real Estate Group, Inc. dba R.D. Olson Development and 115 Schnebly, LLC to resolve litigation by affirming Planning and Zoning Commission’s development review approval of Oak Creek Heritage Lodge Case Number: PZ23-00004 (DEV), suspension of Council Rules of Procedure 3.E.11 on reconsiderations, and discussion regarding making the Oak Creek Heritage Area Zoning District obsolete. (Part 2 of 2)] WITH A MOTION. ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION? A MOTION? WHAT'S THAT? NO DISCUSSION. WELL, WE CAN MAKE A MOTION AND DISCUSS IT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING. OKAY. SO WHY DON'T YOU MAKE THE MOTION? OKAY. UH, I MOVE TO ONE PURSUANT TO CITY COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE RULE ONE B FOUR, SUSPEND THE 60 DAY LIMITATION OF RULE THREE E 11 ON RECONSIDERATIONS TWO, APPROVE THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH RD OLSON AND THREE, AMEND CITY COUNCIL'S JUNE 25TH, 2024, DECISION TO NOW AFFIRM PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S. APRIL 16TH, 2024, APPROVAL OF A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGE, CASE NUMBER PZ 23 DASH 0 0 0 0 4 AS AMENDED BY THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. CAN I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECONDED BY COUNCILOR FURMAN. NOW WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION. COUNCILOR DUNN. YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. UM, I UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF COMPROMISE AND I AM COGNIZANT OF THE COMPROMISES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE THROUGH THE SETTLEMENT, UM, TO THE ISSUES THAT WE WERE BROUGHT FORTH AT THE ORIGINAL MEETING. HOWEVER, I AM STILL A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE THAT WE HAVE NOT RESOLVED THE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT WE SAID WOULD BE RELATED WITH THE, UM, LDC 8.3 POINT E PARAGRAPH FIVE C CONSISTENCY WITH SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN AND OTHER APPLICABLE PLANS, OAK CREEK HERITAGE, CFA SPECIFICALLY. AND THAT IS THAT THE TRAFFIC IS TO BE LESS THAN THAT ASSOCIATED WITH MEDIUM DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION AT 11 AND A HALF ACRES. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 46 HOMES, BUT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE EVEN MORE WITH FAR LESS RANDOM PATTERNS OF MOVEMENT THROUGH THE ROAD. AND THE ROUNDABOUT, GIVEN THE NATURE OF EVENTS AND SCHEDULES, THEY HAVE CHANGES IN WORK SHIFTS, ET CETERA. SO I I STILL AM CONCERNED THAT IT'S STILL 70 HOTEL UNITS THAT HASN'T CHANGED. UM, IT IS STILL, UH, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL FROM THE PLAN, THERE'S STILL THE FOUR HOTEL EMPLOYEE STUDIO APARTMENTS. WE HAVE AN UNSPECIFIED NUMBER OF HOTEL EMPLOYEES ON SHIFT TO SERVICE EVENTS. UM, THE RESTAURANT, HOTEL POOL VALET, THE LOBBY ADMINISTRATION, HOUSEKEEPING DELIVERIES THAT ARE STANDARD AND EVENT STAGING SPECIALS, ET CETERA. SO THERE'S STILL, TO ME THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN RESOLVED. THE QUESTION THAT COUNSELOR FOLTZ ASKED AT THE BEGINNING WAS WHETHER OR NOT TRAFFIC WOULD BE, UM, IMPROVED BY THE CHANGES IN THE ANSWER WAS EITHER NOT AT ALL OR NOT SUBSTANTIALLY. SO THAT, THAT WORRIES ME ALSO, UM, E OF EIGHT, UM, ON LLDC EIGHT THREE E PARAGRAPH FIVE E IS MINIMIZING THE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT THE TRAFFIC VOLUME. THAT IS ONE OF OUR WORST INTERSECTIONS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY AS FAR AS I CAN TELL. I KNOW ANDY'S [02:55:01] NOT HERE AS FAR AS I CAN TELL. THERE ARE NO PLANS AROUND HOW WE'RE GOING TO FIX TRAFFIC CONDITIONS AROUND SIBLEY ROUNDABOUT. THAT IS A NARROWING OF OUR ROAD FROM TWO LANES TO ONE LANE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO GO THROUGH THERE IN ORDER TO USE THE TRAIL WHO, UM, GO IN THERE FOR LIVING PURPOSES. THEY LIVE THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO GO UP SCHLEY ROAD, UM, AND WITH THE OHVS, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF POTENTIAL TRAFFIC THAT GOES THROUGH. UM, THROUGH THAT, THAT ROUNDABOUT. I REALIZE THAT THIS IS ALREADY A, UM, AN F SERVICE LEVEL, UM, FROM ADOT. UH, AND I, I THINK THAT MAKING AN F MINUS DOESN'T NECESSARILY IMPROVE THE EXPERIENCE BOTH FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR VISITORS WHO ARE AROUND IN THAT AREA. SO I DON'T SEE THAT THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED EITHER BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT REDUCING TRAFFIC VOLUME. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THOSE, THOSE STATEMENTS. AND, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CAN'T SPEAK TERRY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEP. OH, BRIAN, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, WHAT A COMPLEX CASE. UM, WHEN, UH, WHEN I VOTED TO OVERTURN THE P AND Z DECISION, IT WAS, UH, EXPECTING THAT WE WOULD ARRIVE AT A POINT OF, UH, A SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATION. AND I'M GRATEFUL THAT, UH, MR. OLSON, UH, CHOSE TO TAKE THE FIRST STEP ON THAT. AND, UM, AND, AND SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT. AND LIKE, I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA BUILD, UH, A HOTEL ON THIS PROPERTY AT SOME POINT. IT'S NOT A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S RIGHT, UH, TO DEVELOP LODGING. BUT I THINK COUNSELOR DUNN HAS VERY ELOQUENTLY EXPRESSED MY ONGOING CONCERNS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE IS GIVE AND TAKE ASSOCIATED WITH A SETTLEMENT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT FULLY. BUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING THE SINGLE MOST OBJECTIVE REASON FOR OVERTURNING THE, UH, P AND Z DECISION, THAT BEING TRAFFICKED, UH, EQUIVALENT OR LESS TO A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THE FACT THAT THAT'S NOT ADDRESSED, THAT IS DEFINITELY A CONCERN FOR ME AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANKS, MAYOR. I FIND THIS TO BE ALL VERY MESSY, AND I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF INCONSISTENCIES HERE. AND I THINK WE CAN'T GO BACK TO THE PAST AND MAKE CORRECTIONS TO THINGS THAT WERE DONE YEARS AGO AND UPON WHICH PEOPLE HAVE ACQUIRED PROPERTY AND, AND, UH, RELIED ON ON ZONING. UH, THIS IS, THIS IS THE WORST INTERSECTION IN THE CITY, BUT ANYTHING THAT GETS BUILT THERE IS GONNA CONTRIBUTE. IT'S ALREADY AN F YOU CAN'T GET WORSE THAN AN FF MINUS, F MINUS MINUS F MINUS FOUR TIMES. I WOULDN'T BUILD ANYTHING THERE. BUT THAT'S NOT REALITY. REALITY IS THAT IT WAS ZONED THAT THE HOTEL ROOMS ARE LESS THAN WHAT COULD BE BUILT. THERE COULD BE 92, IT IS 70. SO THEY'VE BEEN A, THE OLSONS HAVE TRIED TO WORK WITH US. I, IT'S JUST, IT'S VERY, VERY MESSY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE DISTRICT WAS A HUGE MISTAKE, BUT I CAN'T CORRECT IT. THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT. SO YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE AND TRY TO DO THE BEST AT, AT WHAT YOU HAVE. I APPRECIATE THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. I APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE TO COMPROMISE IN THIS WORLD TO GET A, TO MOVE FORWARD. AND SO IT'S, I'M VERY, VERY CONFLICTED, BUT I'M ALSO VERY PRACTICAL. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE, I, I MEAN, I GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, TRAFFIC AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES WAS THE, WERE MY TWO BIG ISSUES OF WHY I VOTED AGAINST IT. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE EMERGENCY SITUATION HAS BEEN IMPROVED BY TAKING AWAY PARKING ON THE ENTRYWAY. SO NOW AT LEAST FIRE TRUCKS CAN GET IN THERE AND PEOPLE CAN GET OUT OF THERE. WHAT DOES IT DO FOR THE BEAR WALLA RESIDENCE AND FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON NELY HILL ROAD, IF THERE'S A FIRE, I DON'T KNOW. UH, WHERE WAS ALL OF THIS WHEN THIS HERITAGE DISTRICT WAS APPROVED? [03:00:01] WHERE WAS ALL, WHERE WERE THE PEOPLE COMING OUT THEN? IT'S BEFORE MY TIME. UH, SO IT'S, I'M, I'M HIGHLY CONFLICTED. I WAS, I WASN'T CONFLICTED BECAUSE I THOUGHT THERE WERE A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS WHY WE COULD REJECT IT. SO I REJECTED IT. BUT NOW THERE'S ONLY ONE ISSUE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AND THAT'S TRAFFIC. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU RESOLVE TRAFFIC EXCEPT TO JUST PREVENT ANYTHING ELSE FROM BEING BUILT THERE. AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE REALITY. SO IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION. AND I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO, ALTHOUGH THIS IS NOT RIGHT NOW IN, IN OUR MOTION TO DEAL WITH THIS DISTRICT, TO PREVENT ANYTHING FURTHER FROM BEING BUILT THERE THAT'S NOT ALREADY APPROVED, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE OTHER PROPERTIES BUILDING HUGE HOTELS, UH, WHO, WHO ALREADY ARE NOT IN THE PROCESS. SO THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. ANYBODY ON THIS SIDE? DEREK? UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I SHARE VICE MAYOR P PLUG'S ANALYSIS THAT OKAY, SO WHAT DO WE DO THEN? I MEAN, THERE'S NO FIXING THAT SITUATION UNLESS YOU JUST SAY, DON'T PUT ANYTHING THERE, WHICH THAT'S NOT AN OPTION. UM, YOU KNOW, SEDONA NEEDS ANOTHER RESORT. LIKE I NEED A NEW HAIR BRUSH. UH, BUT THAT'S NOT THE STANDARD. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY'VE, I THINK THE DEVELOPERS MADE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO SETTLE IT. AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO FIND AN EXCUSE TO SAY NO, I'M HARD PRESSED TO, UH, I'M HARD PRESSED TO DO THAT. SO I I'M GONNA MAYBE BE THE FIRST TO SAY THAT I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE SETTLEMENT. ANYTHING PETE? NO. KATHY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO. WELL, NO, THE ONLY THING THAT I WANNA SAY IS THAT WHEN THIS, WHEN THE CFA, UM, WAS UNDER DISCUSSION AND PLANNING AND ZONING AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS A LOUD PRESENT SUPPORT FOR THAT FROM RESIDENTS ALONG SEV HILL ROAD. UM, SO I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO, TO CONTEXTUALIZE THAT. WHERE WERE THESE QUESTIONS THEN? EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. THERE IS NO CALLING OUT. WE'VE LISTENED TO EVERYBODY FROM THE AUDIENCE. THIS IS REALLY OUR SHARING WITH YOU. IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT ASKING QUESTIONS. I I JUST ADDED THAT FOR THE HISTORY SINCE THE HISTORY QUESTION WAS ASKED. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS, UH, MOTION. I MADE THE MOTION, BUT I AM GOING TO SUPPORT IT. I DO THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN A GOOD FAITH ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS THAT WERE MADE, THAT WERE ASKED FROM, UM, THIS COUNCIL AT THE TIME THAT THIS WAS, UH, DETERMINED. UH, I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT STEP TO TAKE TO SETTLE THIS. THANK YOU. SO IS THIS THE BEST THAT WE CAN GET? NO, BUT IT'S THE OPTION. THE BEST WOULD BE TO LEAVE IT ALONE. TO LEAVE IT VIRGIN LAND. I WOULD LOVE THAT. IT'S NOT PRACTICAL. HOWEVER, THIS PROJECT NOW HAS COME A LONG WAY AND SOLVE THE ISSUES THAT I HAD WITH IT, WHICH WAS BUILDING MASS. THEY'VE SPLIT THE BUILDINGS AND I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE ACCESS PARKING OR ACCESS TO THE PARKING, WHICH HAS BEEN SOLVED, LEFT TO ITS OWN DEVICE. THAT PROPERTY COULD BE MANY, MANY MORE HOUSES, LARGE HOUSES, SHORT TERM RENTAL HOUSES THAT YOU CAN'T STOP. THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE THAT, UH, AS THE VICE MAYOR SAID, IT COULD HAVE BEEN 92 ROOMS. MR. OLSON REDUCED IT DOWN TO 70. THE FACT THAT THEY ARE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN WALK INTO THE EVENT, IF IT'S, UH, PEOPLE ARE BOOKING THE PLACE FOR A WEDDING, THERE'S A PERCENTAGE OF HOW MANY HAVE TO BE STAYING ON THE PREMISES. THEY CAN'T JUST WALK IN. THAT WILL REDUCE TRAFFIC. IS IT GONNA BE A BIG REDUCTION? NO, IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING, THE FACT THAT THEY WILL HAVE A SHUTTLE VEHICLE TO SHUTTLE PEOPLE. UH, WE HAVE A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THAT IS THE ANTE HOTEL. I THINK I MENTIONED THAT DURING THE LAST, UH, MEETING THAT WORKS FABULOUSLY, BUT THEY ARE ON 89 A AND IT'S NOT THE SAME AS THAT ROUNDABOUT, BUT IT STILL WILL REDUCE VOLUME. SO I THINK THAT THIS IS A COMPROMISE VERSUS HAVING NOTHING VERSUS HAVING MANY, MANY HOUSES THAT COULD BE, I BELIEVE FOUR, FIVE THOU, FOUR OR [03:05:01] 5,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSES THAT COULD BE QUITE LARGE. AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A DEVELOPER WHO HAS SINCE MOVED ON WITH SOME PROPERTY FURTHER UP, UH, BY THE, UH, UH, FURTHER UP HILL ROAD. WHAT'S THAT? CREATIVE LIFE CENTER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH BY THE CREATIVE LIFE CENTER WHO WAS PLANNING ON PUTTING MANY HOMES IN THERE. HE MOVED ON BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ZONING THERE FOR HIM TO DO THAT. SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE IF SO, I THINK THAT THIS IS A COMPROMISE FOR BOTH OF US. SO OF COURSE I AM SUPPORTING THIS. SO, UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND COUNSELORS, UH, JUST BRIEFLY, THE OTHER JO JOANNE, DO YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS? YES, MAYOR. OKAY, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. FIVE FIVE IN FAVOR TO OPPOSE. CORRECT. THE TWO OPPOSED. WERE COUNCILOR DUNN AND COUNSELOR FOLTZ? THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. THE OTHER PART OF THE AGENDA BILL WAS DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON WHETHER TO PURSUE EITHER AMENDING THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE ZONING, UH, AREA, UH, OR, UH, DECLARING IT OBSOLETE. THAT WOULD GO THROUGH STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO P AND Z AND THEN P AND Z RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. UH, THERE'S AN OBVIOUS DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS FEEL SHOULD BE BUILT ON THAT AREA, UH, AND WHAT CAN, UH, APPARENTLY BE BUILT THERE AND WHAT WE HAVE, UM, IF, IF THAT WERE TO GO THROUGH, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS THAT ANY PROPERTY CURRENTLY ZONED OAK CREEK HERITAGE, UM, AREA ZONING WOULD RETAIN ALL THE RIGHTS WITH THAT. AND IT WOULDN'T BE, UM, WOULDN'T BE ANY CHANGES TO ANY OF THE CURRENT PROPERTIES, WHICH ARE THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGE PARCELS AND THEN THE TWO OTHER PARCELS. UM, BUT IT WOULD PREVENT ANY OTHER NEW PARCELS FROM BEING REZONED TO THAT UNLESS, UM, UNTIL IT WAS AMENDED. OR IF IT'S DECLARED OBSOLETE, THEN NO ONE ELSE COULD EVER APPLY FOR AN, UH, REZONED APPLICATION TO THAT ZONING DISTRICT. THANK YOU. AND SO, YEAH, JUST WANNA KNOW IF COUNCIL SUPPORTED THAT, UH, IDEA OR NOT. PETE QUESTION, MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR, THIS IS ON, ON KURT'S? YEAH. OKAY. QUESTION ON KURT'S, UM, INFORMATION THERE, UH, IN THE PAST AND INTO THE FUTURE, I WILL, I WILL ALWAYS BE ASKING ABOUT PIPELINE AND WHEN WE MAKE A CHANGE, IS ANYBODY ALREADY IN THE PROCESS TO DO SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD IT YEAH. NO, NO. CURRENT APPLICATIONS LOOKING AT CARRIE, CORRECT? YEAH, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY TWO ON OAK CREEK HERITAGE ZONING DISTRICT APPLICATION. UH, SO IT WOULDN'T AFFECT ANYONE, UM, CURRENTLY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ADD ONE THING THAT I NEGLECTED TO SAY BEFORE NOT CHANGING MY VOTE, BUT THE HISTORY. I DO FORGET IF I WAS ON PLANNING AND ZONING OR ON COUNCIL WHEN THE CFA WAS PASSED. BUT I DO REMEMBER SAYING PUBLICLY THAT IT WAS THE FIRST CFA THAT THE COMMUNITY CAME OUT IN SUPPORT OVERWHELMINGLY IN SUPPORT. NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THE BARE WALLER PEOPLE WERE INCLUDED. I DON'T, THERE, THERE'S NO QUESTIONS HERE. I'M MAKING A STATEMENT. OKAY. BUT IT WAS A PUBLIC PROCESS. IT WAS A TRANSPARENT PROCESS. AND THIS IS MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. BUT I DO REMEMBER MYSELF TAKING A STANCE THAT THIS WAS A, A GOOD PROCESS. NOW I'M NOT SO SURE ABOUT THAT. SO I WOULD SUPPORT, UH, OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S, UH, UH, SUGGESTION AND UH, I THINK IT'S TIME FOR TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN AND MAKE WHATEVER CHANGES ARE NECESSARY. YEAH. AND, AND MAYOR JOB, JUST TO UH, CLARIFY, I WOULDN'T, UH, TOUCH THE CFA NECESSARY. JUST THE, THE ZONING DISTRICT. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE DISCONNECT IS. YES. FIX THE DISCONNECT IS WHAT I I'M SORRY. I SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEARER. THANK YOU KATHY OR PETE ACTUALLY. OH, I'M SORRY. THAT THAT'S OKAY. SMALL EASILY OVERLOOKED. SO CAN WE DO BOTH? SO CAN WE, CAN WE SAY NO MORE PROPERTIES CAN BE ZONED, BUT ALSO GO AND FIX THE CURRENT, UM, LDC INFORMATION THAT GOES WITH THE EXISTING ZONING? ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT WE CAN TIGHTEN THAT DOWN AND MAKE IT MATCH WHAT THE CFA SAYS. THAT DISCONNECT THAT YOU REFERENCED. YEAH. SO I MEAN, THERE'S NO MECHANISM FOR COUNSEL TO IMMEDIATELY DECLARE THAT OBSOLETE AND SAY NO ONE CAN APPLY RIGHT NOW FOR THAT ZONING DISTRICT. BUT IN, IN EFFECT, THIS DISCUSSION AND STAFF COULD LET ANYONE KNOW COMING IN TO APPLY FOR WHETHER THAT'S BEING UPDATED. AND IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT COUNCIL'S GOING TO GRANT ANY REZONE APPLICATIONS TO THAT RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT I WOULDN'T DECLARE OP, I WOULD, IF YOU WANTED IT JUST TO CONFORM THE CFA, THEN MAYBE NOT DECLARE OBSOLETE AND MAYBE JUST AMEND IT SO THAT IT ACTUALLY REACHES IT FULLY COMPLIES. SO I MEAN, YOU, IF YOU DECLARE OBSOLETE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA COME WITH A NEW NAME FOR NEW ZONING TO FIX TO FIT THE CFA. PARDON? SO WE, WE ARE, WE ACTUALLY STILL HAVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED? NO. [03:10:01] COULD BE. NO. WE CURRENTLY HAVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED OAK CREEK HERITAGE CORRECT. AND MAKE IT OBSOLETE LEAVES. AND SO AND SO FOR THOSE PROPERTIES, IT WON'T AFFECT THEM. THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN RECURRING ZONE. CORRECT. THE GRANDFATHERED IN. AND SO SINCE THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN, DO WE ALSO WANNA AMEND THE LDC TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY DON'T ASK FOR A REZONE, THAT WHAT THEY BUILD MATCHES THE CFA, THAT DISCONNECT THAT WE'VE BEEN REFERENCING? AM I NOT MAKING SENSE? YES. NO, YOU ARE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING STAFF CAN EXPLORE. YES. YOU DONE CURRY? OKAY. KATHY, SORRY. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON THIS TONIGHT? JUST, YOU KNOW, SOME YEAH. NODS OR HEADS UP? UH, I THINK THAT STAFF'S HEADED THAT WAY ANYWAY, BUT IF, IF IT'S A NO, THEN WE'D PROBABLY ALLOW TO HEAR THAT NOW THEN START OUT. BUT I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THE ONLY DIRECTION WOULD BE TO REFER THIS BACK TO STAFF TO THEN BRING IT TO PZ PLANNING AND ZONING. YEP. YEAH, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR ANY DIRECTION ON HOW IT SHOULD LOOK OR WHAT SHAPE OR CORRECT WHAT TO DO. IT'S, IT'S A REVISIT OF THE ZONING DISTRICT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT P AND Z HAS THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THIS GOES THROUGH THE CHANNELS THAT P AND Z REVIEWS IT. I WOULD MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS TO CHA TO COUNCIL. I WOULD NOT WANNA DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD BYPASS THAT PROCESS. OKAY. WELL, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT, SO I THINK NO. OKAY. THAT'S WHERE WE'LL HEAD. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, FOR THE AUDIENCE, THAT WOULD GO THROUGH A PUBLIC REVIEW PROCESS TOO. OKAY. COULD YOU REPEAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID? I JUST, OH, THIS IS, I THINK THIS IS ON, UM, I WAS JUST SAYING TO CLARIFY FOR THE AUDIENCE, THAT WOULD GO THROUGH A PUBLIC REVIEW PRO, LIKE THERE WOULD BE PUBLIC OUTREACH AS PART OF THAT PROCESS AS WELL. MM-HMM . OKAY. MOVING RIGHT ALONG, THEN WE'LL MOVE [8.c. AB 3071 Public Hearing/discussion/possible direction regarding Development Impact Fees and the proposed Development Fee Report. ] ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. AS YOU'RE EXITING, UH, PLEASE TRY TO BE, UH, CALM AND QUIET AND NO FIGHTING IN THE LOBBY. I DON'T KNOW, I'LL FIGURE IT OUT. NO FIGHTING IN THE LOBBY. ITEM C, AB 30 71, PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING DEVELOPMENT, IMPACT, FEES, AND THE PROPO, THE PROPOSED, UH, DEVELOPMENT FEE REPORT. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. ANNETTE SERED, CITY MANAGER, UH, TONIGHT, UM, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, BARBARA WHITEHORN AND MYSELF FOR BRINGING BACK SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR YOU REGARDING THIS TOPIC. AS REQUESTED AT YOUR LAST MEETING, WE DO NOT HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TONIGHT. UM, BUT THERE WAS A MEMO FROM BARBARA IN YOUR PACKET DESCRIBING, UH, VARIOUS SCENARIOS BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD AT THE LAST DISCUSSION, THAT THERE POTENTIALLY WAS AN INTEREST IN A PHASING INTO THE FEE. UM, I DIDN'T PLAN TO GO IN DETAIL ON THE DIFF TONIGHT. YOU'VE HAD MANY MEETINGS ON IT. I THINK YOU ALL UNDERSTAND IT. AND SO WE ARE HERE TO HELP ANSWER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY LEFT AND TO HEAR YOUR DIRECTION. OKAY. DEREK, UH, QUESTION, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT KURT HERE TO ANSWER THIS. UM, IF WE GO WITH THE PHASE IN, IF WE GO WITH THE PHASE IN AND WE SAY, YOU KNOW, 50%, THEN 25%, THEN THE REMAINING 25% IN THREE OR FOUR YEARS, ARE WE ALLOWED TO SLAM THE BRAKES ON THAT AFTER YES. YEAR ONE? YES. COUNCIL. SO WE COULD SAY OVER FOUR YEARS IT'S GONNA RAISE TO THIS, BUT NEXT YEAR WE COME BACK AND SAY, OOH, THIS IS A MISTAKE. WE'RE GONNA FREEZE IT AT WHAT IT IS, RIGHT THEN. YES, I DID, UM, ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT QUESTION PRIOR TO THE MEETING. UM, IN ANTICIPATION IT MIGHT COME UP. AND SO YES, YOU COULD, UM, GIVE US DIRECTION TO BRING BACK A PHASE IN SCHEDULE FOR THE JANUARY 14TH PUBLIC HEARING AND ULTIMATE ADOPTION. HOWEVER, FUTURE COUNSELS CAN DECIDE, UM, IN THOSE OUT YEARS NOT TO APPLY THAT, UM, THAT AMOUNT. THERE'S NOTHING THAT PREVENTS A FUTURE COUNSEL FROM, UM, DECIDING NOT TO IMPOSE AMOUNTS. PAGE 1 42. IT HAS A BREAKDOWN IN THE PACKAGE 1 42. YEAH, I'VE SEEN THE, I'VE SEEN THE, OKAY. MY QUESTION WAS, IF WE SET IT, WE SET IT AND WE SAY, OKAY, OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, WE'RE GONNA RAISE IT TO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF WHAT THE THEY RECOMMENDED. CAN WE CHANGE OUR MINDS IN A YEAR OR THE NEXT COUNCIL CHANGE ITS MIND AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE DONE. WE'RE STOPPING. WE'RE NOT GONNA GO TO FULL AMOUNT. OKAY. YEP. SO, OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU'RE STILL NOT LOOKING FOR DIRECTION, YOU'RE JUST, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR WHICH OPTION WE APPROVE WELL, WHICH, WHICH OPTION? OR MANY VARIATIONS YOU WANT OPTIONS. OKAY. UM, BARBARA [03:15:01] DOES HAVE A LITTLE SPREADSHEET WITH HER TONIGHT. SO IF COUNSEL HAD A DIFFERENT PHASE IN, THEY WANTED US TO LOOK AT, SHE CAN ON THE FLY, CALCULATE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. BEFORE WE GO TO THE OPTION, I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC FOR PUBLIC HEARING. SHE'S SUCH A STICKLER FOR THAT KINDA STUFF FOR PUBLIC HEARING. WE DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS. IS ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO ADDRESS THIS NOW? OKAY. HEARING, UH, NOTHING ELSE. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. GIVE US YOUR OPTIONS. UH, UH, ONE, TWO A, B, OR C. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHERE TO GO FROM HERE. RIGHT? RIGHT. IT'S, THERE'S A MUTE BUTTON RIGHT HERE ARE WE DISCUSSING? YOU CAN DISCUSS IF THAT'S WHAT YOU PREFER, BUT COMMENTS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A COMMENT OF, AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S, IT'S FINE. UM, I, I JUST THINK GIVEN WHAT WE HEARD LAST TIME AT THE SMALL MONEY THAT ARE INVOLVED AND THE HUGE IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY, EVERY TIME WE ARE GOING TO ADD THESE, THESE THINGS INTO OUR PARKS AND OUR POLICE AND OUR, AND OUR, UM, SORRY, I HAVE ANNETTE'S THREE PS IN MY HEAD. SO POTHOLES, UM, INSTEAD OF ROADS, UH, WHENEVER I, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST LEAVE IT AS IT IS AND UNDERSTAND THAT ALL OF THOSE COSTS ARE GOING UP AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO FUND THEM. AND WE'RE EITHER GOING TO, TO DEFRAY TINY LITTLE BITS OF IT WITH THESE FEES. 'CAUSE IT'S, THEY'RE NOT THAT MUCH MONEY WE HEARD LAST TIME. UM, OR WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO ALL OF IT THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO AT LEAST TAKE CARE OF THOSE THREE PS AND WE KNOW WE WANT TRANSPORTATION. SO I, I THINK WE JUST GO WITH IT AS IT IS. BRIAN. DITTO. WHAT COUNSELOR DUNN JUST SAID. I WAS THERE LAST TIME ON THIS, SO I WOULD NOT DEFER THE INEVITABLE. THANKS MA'AM. I'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT. I DON'T SUPPORT IN INCREASING THE FEES. I THINK IT HAS A VERY NEGATIVE IMPACT. COUNSELOR FURMAN SAID HE WAS QUOTED AS SAYING WE'RE THAT WE WOULD BE AN ANTI-DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR ALL, I HAVE TO, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY. THE GENERAL FUND CAN PAY FOR IT. AND WE ARE, OUR FEES ARE BEYOND ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE ENTIRE VERDE VALLEY. AND I JUST DON'T THINK OUR EXPENSES MATCH THAT. SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA RAISE THE FEES, DEREK. UM, WE HAVE TOOLS IN OUR, AT OUR DISPOSAL TO ENCOURAGE THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WE WANT. UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR MOST OF THE RESIDENTS I'VE SPOKEN TO, PEOPLE DON'T WANT MORE DEVELOPMENT IN SEDONA. THEY THINK WE ARE ALREADY OVERDEVELOPED. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE DEFICIENCIES IN WORKFORCE HOUSING, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS. AND I THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADDRESS THAT ON AN AD AD HOC BASIS. UH, BUT IF WE DISCOURAGE OTHER KINDS OF DEVELOPMENT, SO WHAT, UM, THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT. UM, YOU KNOW, I, THE QUOTE I HEARD SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT WAS THAT GROWTH FOR GROWTH'S SAKE IS THE IDEOLOGY OF THE CANCER CELL. YOU KNOW, TO WHAT END, YOU KNOW, OUR RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NEVER GOING BACK. WE'RE NOT GONNA ROLL BACK THE CLOCK. YOU KNOW, I, WE HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, WELL, I REMEMBER SEDONA BACK 30 YEARS AGO, OR 40 YEARS. THAT'S GONE. BUT WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, STEP ON THE ACCELERATOR AND, AND KEEP THE DEVELOPMENT GOING. I, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM DISCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT AS LONG AS WE REALIZE THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN GAPS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FILL AND THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE CREATIVE TO, TO DO THAT. SO I, I SUPPORT RAISING THE FEES. UM, I'M NOT PARTICULARLY WEDDED TO ANY PARTICULAR TIMETABLE. WE CAN DO A HUNDRED PERCENT, NOW. WE CAN DO IT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. IF PEOPLE ARE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING, OF DOING IT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE THE OPTION TO STEP ON THE BRAKES MM-HMM . AND SAY, OKAY, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE MADE A MISTAKE, WE WENT TOO FAR. UM, OR AT LEAST WOULD GIVE A SUBSEQUENT COUNSEL THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I THINK I WOULD PROBABLY SAY DON'T GO, YOU KNOW, DON'T GO THE WHOLE WAY ON DAY ONE. UM, I DON'T CARE WHAT THE PHASING IS, BUT MY SUPPORT WOULD [03:20:01] BE FOR SOME SORT OF A PHASE IN WHATEVER EVERYBODY ELSE IS COMFORTABLE WITH, ASSUMING ANYBODY ELSE IS COMFORTABLE WITH RAISING THE FEES. SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND. PETE, THANK YOU, MAYOR. I, I, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IMPLEMENTING THE FEES AS, AS PROPOSED IN THE REPORT. YES, I WAS QUOTED ACCURATELY, I BELIEVE ABOUT, UM, IMPACTING DEVELOPMENT. BUT, YOU KNOW, MY HEART IS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS. AND WE DO HAVE SOME TOOLS. WE'RE GONNA DO SOME MORE TOOLS. WE HAVE THOSE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO US. UM, RAISE, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT LIST IS A PROJECT LIST. THOSE FEES ARE THE FEES OF WHAT THESE THINGS ARE REALLY COSTING US TO DO. SO IF, UH, IMPLEMENTING THESE FEES HAS A EFFECT OF, OF, UM, REDUCING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY GONNA GET PAID IF THERE'S DEVELOPMENT. AND SO IF DEVELOPMENT KIND OF SLOWS DOWN BECAUSE OF THE FEES, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO STRUGGLE WITH THE IDEA OF WHETHER WE DEFER THE PROJECTS OR FIND THE MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE. IT'S THE SAME EFFECT AS PHASING IT IN NOW. AND SO THIS WAS A HARD ENOUGH PROCESS. WE'RE GONNA FORGET EVERYTHING ABOUT IT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START IT AGAIN. UM, SO I, I THINK THAT IT, IT'S COMPLEX. THE MATH WAS TERRIBLE. THE STATE'S RULES ABOUT THIS STUFF ARE ARCANE AND COMPLEX AND I THINK WE DID A STELLAR JOB AFTER WE ALL UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS HERE. SO, YEAH. UM, SUPPORTIVE OPTION TWO, I THINK YOU MAKE A VERY GOOD POINT THAT IN FIVE YEARS THIS WILL BE, UH, HAVE TO BE HAPPENING AGAIN AND WILL BE FORGOTTEN. THE LESSONS LEARNED. 'CAUSE I DO THINK THAT THERE WERE LESSONS TO LEARN HERE. UM, I HAVE BEEN IN MY OWN HEAD REALLY ALL OVER THE MAP ON THIS BETWEEN ALTERNATIVES ONE, TWO, AND THREE. UM, WHAT I COME BACK TO TIME AND TIME AGAIN THOUGH, IS IT, I DON'T LIKE THE FORMULA. I TRIED TO ASK QUESTIONS EARLY ON ABOUT WHEN WE WOULD TALK ABOUT SETTING THAT FORMULA, BUT THAT SORT OF GOT LOST IN THE PROCESS. FORMULA WAS WHAT GOT PUBLISHED AND WHAT GOT ADOPTED, AND THAT'S WHAT'S OUT THERE. AND THAT WE'RE BASING THESE CALCULATIONS ON. SO TO ME, THE BUILDING BLOCK IS FAULTY. SO IF I DON'T SUPPORT THE BUILDING BLOCK, HOW CAN I SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD ON IT? SO AS I SAID, IT'S, THIS HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ALL OVER. I HAVE CONCERNS, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL LOST REVENUE. I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, THE ABILITY, THE, THE TO USE, UM, OUR POTENTIAL WAIVER WA THAT, THE, THAT THE RIGHT WORD, WAIVING WHAT'S THE RIGHT WORD YOU WANT? NOT WAIVE, PAYING, PAY, PAYING, UH, IN LIEU OF, OR, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER PAYING. UM, I, I, BUT IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S MESSY AND I JUST CAN'T, I DON'T WANT TO MULTIPLY THE MESS BY ADOPTING SOMETHING THAT, THAT JUST KEEPS THAT ALIVE. SO I THINK WHERE I HAVE LANDED AND ALSO MY BIGGEST CONCERN, I'M SORRY, BEFORE I GET THERE, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS ALSO THAT THIS DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH, AND THIS DOESN'T INCENTIVIZE WHAT WE WANT. INCENTIVIZE AND DECENTIVIZE WHAT WE WANT DECENTIVIZE. SO IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH, UM, THE GOALS THAT I WOULD HAVE FOR THE DEFEAT AND OUR CREATING THE FORMULA FOR THEM. THEREFORE, I CAN ONLY LAND ON ALTERNATIVE ONE, WHICH IS NOT TO IMPLEMENT THE NEW FEES AS PROPOSED, KEEP THE CURRENT AMOUNT, STILL USE OUR ABILITY TO, UH, I DO WANT TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE, UH, THAT WAS ADOPTED AND I, AGAIN, I UM, MADE THE SUGGESTION LAST TIME THAT THE WILLS BECOME MAZE. AND I SEE THAT THAT'S IN THE PACKET THAT THE ALTERNATIVE THERE. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GETS CAPTURED IN THIS. UH, BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT'S FOR ME, THE ONLY WAY THAT I CAN, UM, SLEEP AT NIGHT ON THIS ONE IS BY NOT CHANGING IT ON WHAT I THINK IS A FAULTY FORMULA. SO WITH THAT, I SUPPORT, UM, ALTERNATIVE ONE. AND I REALLY STRONGLY URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO ADOPT MAY INSTEAD OF WILL, WHICH IS COMPULSORY. I DIDN'T SEE THAT CHANGE. IS IT IN THE PACKET? MAY. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE, THERE'S A, HOLD ON, TWO PIECES IN THE AGENDA, BILL. UH, ONE IS THE FEE IMPLEMENTATION AND ONE WAS THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE CHANGES FOR THE DIGA. AND WE PUT OKAY. UM, COUNSELOR GONZALEZ'S SUGGESTION. I DID, I DID SEE THAT. OKAY. UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE THAT OUR FEES ARE OUT OF ALIGNMENT WITH OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS. I THINK BARBARA DID A FANTASTIC JOB IN CLARIFYING THAT FOR ME. AND IT WAS ONLY HER SECOND [03:25:01] TIME PRESENTING TO THE COUNCIL, I THINK ON THAT PARTICULAR MEETING. BUT I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHY WE WERE SO OUT OF WHACK AS FAR AS OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS. BUT SOME TOWNS AND CITIES HAVE PROPERTY TAX. WE DON'T. I CAN GO DOWN A LONG LIST THAT YOU GAVE US AND IT'S NOT APPLES AND AND APPLES. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT TO RAISE THESE FEES, I THINK IT IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO HOUSING. BUT THERE ARE TOOLS IN THERE TO WORK FOR THAT WE CAN WORK INTERNALLY ON THAT. SO I GET THAT. UM, I'M REALLY TORN. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN, WAS GOING OVER THESE, I WAS LOOKING AT C WHICH IS PHASE IN THE PROPOSED FEES OVER FOUR YEARS AT 50, 75 AND THEN TWO YEARS AT A HUNDRED. AND THEN WE COULD DO WHAT, WHAT DEREK SAID IS WE CAN CUT BAIT AT ANY TIME IF WE SAW THE NEED. UH, BUT I THINK EVERYTHING'S GOING UP. AND ULTIMATELY THESE PROJECTS WILL BE FUNDED BY, YOU KNOW, UH, OUR SALES TAX AND IT SHOULD BE FUNDED BY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT'S THE ONES WHO, PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING FOR IT. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THOSE FEES ARE THAT HIGH, BUT THEY ARE HIGH. SO I WOULD LOOK TO, I DUNNO, IT'S REALLY A TOSS UP FOR ME. UH, I HAVE NO IDEA. MAYBE, UH, I WOULD GO WITH C 'CAUSE IT WOULD STRETCH IT OUT THE LONGEST AND THEN WE COULD CHANGE IT. BUT AT LEAST WE WOULD HAVE, UH, STARTING UP WITH 50%. AND IF WE DON'T, IF IT THERE'S A PROBLEM, WE CAN ALWAYS KILL IT. SO I KNOW WE'RE ALL OVER THE, THE MAP, I BELIEVE. RIGHT. OKAY. SO, UM, BY MY NOTES, UH, COUNSEL, WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE, UM, IN FAVOR OF A FULL IMPLEMENTATION. TWO REGARDING A PHASE IN AND TWO NOT IMPLEMENTING. SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE AT AT THE MOMENT. IT'S TOO, WE DON'T EQUAL, WE DON'T HAVE, THAT'S 12 SEVEN THAT MATH IS, IS COMPLICATED. LIKE KATHY SAID, AN EQUAL 12. THAT'S SEVEN. THAT'S SEVEN. SO THREE FULL IMPLEMENTATION, TWO PHASE IN, AND TWO NOT IMPLEMENTING. THAT'S SEVEN. SO NOT QUITE A MAJORITY YET. YOU WERE AMBIVALENT EITHER. DEREK, WOULD IT ALLEVIATE SOME OF PEOPLE'S CONCERNS IF THE PHASE IN WAS 25? CAN YOU USE YOUR MIC? I'M SORRY. I DO WANNA POINT OUT 25 IS LOWER THAN THE CURRENT FEES. OH, IF YOU START AT 25, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING 25% TOWARD THE, UM, WE'RE STARTING AT 50%. UM, YOU COULD START AT I THINK ABOUT 30 AND STILL BE HIGHER THAN THE CURRENT. RIGHT. NEVERMIND. I'M JUST MY SUPPORT'S FOR TWO C THEN. YEAH. 30 WOULD BE, I WAS GONNA SAY WE COULD HAVE THE, THE SMALLER INCREASE AT THE BEGINNING AND THEN INCREASE OVER TIME IF THAT WOULD MAKE COUNSELORS MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PHASE IN. BUT, AND PHASE IN B ACTUALLY HAS THE 50% HELD FOR TWO YEARS, WHERE IT'S 50% YEAR. ONE 50% YEAR TWO, I SEE IT. RIGHT. 75 THEN A HUNDRED. SO IT WOULD BE A FOUR YEAR PHASE IN, I COULD DO THAT TWO YEARS. I LIKE THAT ONE. I COULD DO THAT TWO B OR TWO, EITHER ONE. YOU HAD YOU, I HAD A QUESTION. I'M LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION FROM COUNCILLOR FAF BECAUSE I THOUGHT, I HEARD FROM YOU THAT INITIALLY YOU WERE GOOD WITH IMPLEMENTING THE NEW DIFF FEE AS PROPOSED. I'LL, UH, ALTERNATIVE TWO. AND THEN YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, BUT COULD ALSO DO A PHASE IN. I'M TRYING TO COMPROMISE . WELL, I MEAN THE PHASE IN THE PHASE IN IS SO THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, OKAY, THE FEES, WE RAISED, OUR FEES IN YEAR ONE, AND YOU KNOW, A YEAR FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW, WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE RESULT OF THAT? AND IF WE DON'T LIKE THE RESULT, THEN WE SLAM ON THE BRAKES. VERSUS IF WE JUST SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT PHASE IN ON DAY ONE, WELL THEN WE'RE STUCK WITH THAT RIGHT? FOR HOWEVER MANY YEARS. WHEREAS IF WE DO A PHASE IN, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, WE GET A SECOND BITE AND A THIRD BITE AT THE APPLE. BUT YOU ALSO STATED THAT WE HAVE TOOLS TO ADDRESS THAT, WHICH IS MOST IMPORTANT TO US, I BELIEVE, OF GETTING MULTIFAMILY INCENTED. SO WE HAVE THAT TOOL IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER WE DO FULL IMPLEMENTATION NOW VERSUS A PHASE IN. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU WIND UP LANDING. 'CAUSE THERE'S THREE OF US THAT ARE READY TO DO FULL IMPLEMENTATION, BUT I'D LIKE TO NOT MAKE A MOTION THAT'S GONNA FAIL. WHAT HAPPENS IF WE MAKE A MOTION THAT FAILS ON THIS? LIKE IF I MAKE A MOTION FOR ALTERNATIVE TWO AND IT FAILS, THEN WHAT? THERE'S STILL OPTIONS FOR MORE, FOR MORE MOTIONS. OKAY. CAN I MAKE A MOTION? MAYOR, DO YOU WANT ME TO HEAR WHAT I THINK BEFORE I YES, WELL DE WAS A PROBLEM. I WOULD PREFER THE PHASE IN, JUST SO THAT WE DON'T THROW OUR HAT OVER THE WALL AND CALL IT A DAY. WE AT LEAST HAVE THE CHANCE TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS, WE, WE'VE [03:30:01] GOT THE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX TO SAY WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE, UH, MULTIFAMILY, PARTICULARLY WORKFORCE AND UH, LOW INCOME HOUSING. WE HAVE THOSE TOOLS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DON'T JUST SUDDENLY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT HOSTILE TO DEVELOPMENT. I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GO OUT OF OUR WAY TO ENCOURAGE IT IN A CITY WHERE MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS DON'T WANT IT. UM, SO I PROBABLY WOULD PREFER TO BE OR TO SEE, UH, AS OPPOSED TO A FULL 100% IMPLEMENTATION ON DAY ONE. MY PREFERENCE. OKAY, SO WHICH KING WAS IT THAT WANTED TO SPLIT THE BODE ? YEAH, SO WHY DON'T WE GO DOWN THIS, THE ONE, WHY DON'T WE, TO SPLIT THE BABY, WHY DON'T WE GO DOWN START, DEREK, WHICH OPTION ARE YOU AT NOW? TWO B PHASE IN OVER FOUR YEARS. YOU MEAN, PETE, IT'S NOT TWO IN, WELL, WHICH, WHICH PAGE ARE YOU ON? 'CAUSE I'M SO, UH, JUST GET ON BECAUSE THEY'RE THEN, OH S**T, I ELSEWHERE IF I HELP PAGE CLARIFY, I CAN'T HEAR. ANNETTE. WHAT PAGE IS THAT? COUNSEL, IF I CAN HELP CLARIFY. IN THE MEMO THEY'RE TITLED AS OPTIONS IN THE AGENDA BILL. I WROTE ALTERNATIVES. IF YOU DIDN'T GO WITH ONE OF THOSE. SO WHEN YOU'RE SPECIFYING, I LIKE ALTERNATIVE ONE OR YOU LIKE OPTION TWO B OR WHATEVER, THAT'S THE DISTINCTION. 'CAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE CALLED OPTIONS THAT'S IN THE MEMO. SOME ARE CALLED ALTERNATIVES. AND THAT'S IN THE AGENDA. BILL, IF THAT HELPS, COULD I SUGGEST THAT WE ALL GO TO PAGE 1 42 AND USE THE WORDING THAT'S ON THERE SO THAT WE'RE ALL USING THE SAME CONSISTENT? YES, IT'S AN EXCELLENT ONE. FOUR, TWO. OKAY, SO BASED ON PACKET PAGE 1, 4, 2. MY VOTE WOULD BE FOR TWO B AS IN BOY PETE, YOU GONNA HAVE TO GIMME A MINUTE TO LOOK AT PAGE ONE. 42. I THOUGHT YOU WERE THERE ALREADY. WOW, HERE. THAT'S NOT MY PACKET. PAGE 1, 4, 2. IT'S NOT ONE PACKET. IT'S NOT REALLY HERE IS OPTION TWO B, WHICH IS THE 50% PERCENT, 75, A HUNDRED. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANNA LOOK. NO ITEM. OKAY, LEAVE IT A HUNDRED PERCENT. FULL ON. OR WHAT'S THE A HUNDRED PERCENT FULL MONTY? I GUESS THAT'S OPTION. NOT ON THIS PAGE. YEAH, IT'S NOT ON THAT PAGE. ALTERNATIVE TWO, WE DID HAVE A REVISED PACKET. SO THE NUMBERING MIGHT HAVE CHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL, WHICH YOU JUST SENT ANOTHER ONE OUT MIGHT HAVE, YEAH. OKAY. YESTERDAY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. THE OH, RIGHT, THE, THE REVISED. THAT'S IT. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT AFFECTS IT, BUT IT MIGHT IT DOWN PUSHING THE REVISED UP. HERE'S THE FULL OPTION THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT THAT ONE DOESN'T INCLUDE, THERE ARE ACTUALLY FIVE OPTIONS BECAUSE THOSE FOUR PLUS THERE IS THE ONE OF, UM, ALTERNATIVE FULL, FULL ON. YEAH, THERE'S FULL IMPLEMENTATION, NO IMPLEMENTATION, AND THEN A SERIES OF PHASE INS, BASICALLY. AND YOU, BRIAN, ARE YOU THERE ON THE RIGHT PAGE? YEAH. OKAY. MELISSA, ARE YOU THERE NOW? MM-HMM. OKAY. PETE, ARE YOU THERE NOW ON THE REVISED? NO, I DIDN'T PULL UP THE REVISED. I THINK YOU KNOW THAT I'M FOR ALTERNATIVE TO THE A HUNDRED PERCENT. OKAY. JUST WANTED, WE, I JUST, THINGS CAN CHANGE. I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF YOU. OKAY. SO I AM FOR KEEPING THE EXISTING FEE STRUCTURE, I'M A TWO B, I'M AT ONE. KEEP THE EXISTING FEE STRUCTURE I'M AT, TAKE ALL OF IT. CAN'T HEAR YOU. I'M, I'M AT TAKE ALL OF IT, WHICHEVER, WHICHEVER ALTERNATIVE THAT OR OPTION THAT IS THESE DAYS. SO ALTERNATIVE TO I'M ALTERNATIVE TO. OKAY. SO WE'RE STILL IN THE SAME SPOT. MM-HMM . I THINK DEPENDING ON THE MAYOR'S. SO WE HAVE FIVE PEOPLE SUPPORTING SOME INCREASE. THREE OF YOU WANT TO GO THE WHOLE WAY? WELL, I DON'T WANNA GO THE WHOLE WAY AND I WANT TO GO PART WAY. AND I WOULD JUST SAY TO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO TO A HUNDRED PERCENT ON DAY ONE REALIZE WE CAN, IF WE PHASE IT IN AND WE DECIDE THIS WAS A MISTAKE, WE GET ANOTHER CHANCE. WE GET A CHANCE TO STOP AND SAY, OKAY, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS. WE CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE. BUT I MEAN, THIS GIVES US A CHANCE TO LOOK BACK AND SAY, OKAY, MAY I RESPOND, MAY PLEASE. SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. HOWEVER, IF WHAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IS HOUSING [03:35:01] AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WHATEVER THE TERM IS WE'RE USING FOR HOUSING, WE'VE ALREADY STATED THAT ONE OF THE THINGS PROBABLY THE NEXT TWO DAYS WE NEED TO HAVE A LONGER CONVERSATION AROUND IS HOUSING, HOUSING POLICIES, THE DIGA, SORT OF ALL OF THOSE TOOLS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT I, WHAT I HEAR YOU ACTUALLY SAYING IS, EVEN IF YOU WANNA COME IN AND BUILD A RESTAURANT OR A HOTEL, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU SOME DISCOUNT ON THE DIFF FEES FOR TWO YEARS. UM, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO BUILD IS HOUSING. THEY COULD BE WANTING TO BUILD ANOTHER RESTAURANT OR ANOTHER HOTEL OR, YOU KNOW, UH, WHATEVER. SO WE, I THINK FOR ME, I DON'T WANNA MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT EVERYONE WHO'S WHO'S, WHO'S GONNA COME IN BECAUSE WE HAVE LOWER DIFF FEES, WANTS TO DO MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, WANTS TO SOLVE THE HOUSING SHORTAGE. AND I THINK FOR ME, THAT'S A FALSE ASSUMPTION. AND SO I WOULD RATHER SAY, LOOK, WHATEVER GETS BUILT, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE POLICE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND THEY'RE GONNA NEED EQUIPMENT AND I'M GONNA NEED TO BE ABLE, BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THOSE ROADS ARE IN GOOD SHAPE, OR MAYBE I NEED TO DO A NEW ROAD DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS THEY'RE BUILDING AND WHERE IT IS THEY'RE BUILDING IT. UM, AND YOU KNOW, I I I'M THERE. IF THERE'S PEOPLE THERE, THEY MIGHT BE USING THE PARK SYSTEM, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. UM, I STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT. SO IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO DEFRAY THAT BY SAYING, IF YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE SERVICES, YOU SHOULD HELP A LITTLE BIT IN DEFRAYING THOSE COSTS. AND I, I THINK SAYING, LET ME DO THE SMALL AMOUNT FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS AND THEN I CAN PULL THE BRAKES ON IT. I CAN'T IMAGINE IN MY MIND WHY YOU'D PULL THE BRAKES ON IT IF WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB ON FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO WITH HOUSING AND WITH MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. SO, I MEAN, I, I TRUST OUR STAFF TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WE WOULD SAY, YEAH, THAT SUPPORTS THE, THE IDEA THAT WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE HOUSING AND MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO DISCOURAGE BUSINESS BUILDING, BUT IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A FALSE ASSUMPTION TO ASSUME THAT LOWER DIFF MEANS THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO COME HERE AND BUILD MULTIFAMILY UNITS. I WILL CHANGE MY VOTE TO GO ALONG WITH COUNCILOR DUNN . THERE'S SO MANY OPTIONS NO. TO GO ALONG WITH YOU. THANK YOU. YOU MAY, YOU AS USUAL GIVE A VERY COMPELLING, UH, NOT EVEN AN ARGUMENT, UH, REALITY PASSION. I KNOW. SO WHAT DOES THAT GIVE YOU? IT GIVES YOU FOUR FOUR THAT APPEARS TO BE A MAJORITY FOR THE, UM, ALTERNATIVE TO FULL IMPLEMENTATION, WHICH WE WOULD PUBLISH AFTER IF YOU VOTE THAT WAY, UM, AND BRING BACK FOR ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 14TH, , YOU REALLY WANNA DO THAT? OKAY. UH, THE STATE LAW REQUIRES IT. SORRY, I KNOW IT WAS RHETORICAL. OKAY. CAN I MAKE A MOTION? YES, PLEASE MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE AND OR IMPLEMENT THE NEW DIFF FEE AS PROPOSED IN THE DEVELOPMENT FEE REPORT PUBLISHED ON OCTOBER NINE FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT TYPES AND DIRECT STAFF TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE REPORT BY RESOLUTION ON JANUARY 14TH, 2025. SECONDED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NO, NO, NO. OKAY. FOUR THREE, I BELIEVE. TWO FOUR. 2 4 2 5 2 5 2 5 2. NO, I VOTED IT. NOW. I LIKED MY, I THOUGHT FOUR. HEY, FOUR, THREE I MY IDEA THOUGH. OKAY. I SHOULD GO BY MY HEARING, BUT THAT'S NOT SO GOOD SOMETIMES . OKAY. YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED, ANNETTE? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. SURE. WE GOT A SHORT BREAK. I THINK WE COULD DO THAT. WE'LL TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK, UH, ITEM FOR, AND WE'LL GO RIGHT TO ITEM E. WE'LL BE BACK AT, UM, JUST SHY OF, UH, 8 45. GOOD, JOE? YEP. NOW IT'S GOOD. OKAY. ITEM D, [8.d. AB 3095 Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding adoption of a Resolution and Ordinance updating the City of Sedona's Consolidated Fee Schedule.] UH, A B 30 95 PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, NO D PUBLIC, UH, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCE. UPDATING THE CITY OF SONOMA'S CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE. IT'S T YES, MADAM CLERK, DID YOU WANNA PRESENT? UM, SURE. I CAN JUST BRIEFLY STATE THAT THE CHANGES, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST MEETING, THE CHANGES TO THE CONSOLIDATED FEE. PROPOSED FEE SCHEDULE IS AN ANNUAL BUSINESS LICENSE FOR THE SPECIAL EVENT BUSINESS LICENSES OF $70 TO INCREASE THE SHORT [03:40:01] TERM RENTAL, UM, REGISTRATION FEES USING THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND DIRECT COST AND DIRECT COST FROM 200 TO $210 ANNUALLY, ADDING A BINGO LICENSE FEE PER STATE STATUTE. AND THEN FOR PUBLIC WORKS, THEY'RE, UH, DOING, CHANGING THEIR PROJECT AND REVIEW PLANS TO AN HOURLY RATE. UH, PERMIT FEES WERE ADJUSTED DUE TO THE ENR OF THE 2.85%. TCA HOURLY FEES INCREASED FROM $25 TO $35. THIS WAS THE ACT BASED ON THE ACTUAL COST FOR EACH TCA DEPLOYED, AND THEN THE GRADING FEES WERE CONSOLIDATED AND ADJUSTED FOR A SIMPLE RATE INCREASE PER THE E AND R RATE OF 2.85%. AND THE WASTEWATER SUPPLY FIXTURE UNITS CALCULATIONS WERE ALSO ADJUSTED BASED ON THAT E AND R RATE OF 2.58%. AND THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE DIFF FEES THAT, UH, YOU'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THROUGH A SEPARATE PROCESS. AND THEN, UH, WE JUST NEED TO BE SURE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. ARE THERE ANY CARDS, MADAM CLERK? NO. OKAY. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. PLEASE MAKE A MOTION. AFTER CONSIDERATION AND CONDUCTING A PUBLIC HEARING, I MOVE TO READOPT. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 10, ADOPTING PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE. SECOND. SECOND, WE'LL GO WITH COUNCIL DUNN . COUNCIL ELLA'S NAME IS UP THERE TOO OFTEN. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AND YOU OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. OKAY, ITEM [8.e. AB 3168 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of the filing of a blank annexation petition with the Yavapai County Recorder to begin the process for the proposed annexation of approximately 3,422 acres of land including the City’s wastewater treatment plant and neighboring City-owned property (the Dells) into the City’s jurisdictional boundaries.] E AB 31 68. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF A FILING OF A BLANK ANNEXATION PETITION WITH THE CA COUNTY RECORDED TO BEGIN THE PROCESS FOR THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION OF APPROXIMATELY, UH, 3,422 ACRES OF LAND, INCLUDING THE CITY'S WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND NEIGHBORING CITY OWNED PROPERTY, THE DELLS INTO THE CITY'S JURISDICTION BOUNDARIES. KURT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. UH, THIS IS THE, UH, PROPOSED ANNEXATION ITEM. THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP IN MANY STEPS TO COMPLETE THE ANNEXATION. UH, LIKE IT SAYS IN THE AGENDA, BILL, THE, UH, COUNCIL, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME COUNSEL, UM, WILL BE DISCUSSING THIS. UM, AND SO COUNSEL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DIRECT STAFF WHETHER THEY WANTED TO CONTINUE OR NOT. WE, WE, UM, SOMETIMES CITIES DO ANNEXATIONS WHERE THE STAFF WILL GO AHEAD AND FILE THE BLANK ANNEXATION PETITIONS, AND THEN YOU SET IT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, AND THAT'S WHEN COUNCIL CAN, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE THE PROCESS ON OR NOT. UH, WE'VE DONE THAT, UH, STEP EVEN EARLIER THAN THAT THIS TIME BEFORE EVEN FILING THE BLANK ANNEXATION PETITION HERE. WE'RE HERE FOR, TO ALLOW COUNSEL TO CHANCE TO DISCUSS AND DECIDE WHETHER TO CONTINUE THIS PROCESS OR NOT. UM, I HAVE HERE THE, THE GIS MAP OF THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION AREA. UM, THESE SQUARE BOXES, YOU CAN SEE MY POINTER ARE, UM, SECTION, UH, LINES, AND EACH ONE'S ABOUT A MILE LONG. SO THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION AREA FROM THIS POINT IS ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MILES STRAIGHT WEST, UH, AND THEN ABOUT THREE AND A QUARTER MILES SOUTH. UM, IT'S A LITTLE LESS FROM THE BOUNDARIES IF YOU, UH, COMING OFF THE CITY RIGHT HERE, UM, EVERYTHING THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED OR SHADED, I GUESS IS WITHIN THE ANNEXATION AREA. THE DIFFERENT SHADING IS ALL OF THE GRAY AREA IS COCAO NATIONAL FOREST. UM, ALL OF THE RED IS, UH, ADOT, UM, STATE OWNED, UH, STATE ROUTE 89 A. AND THEN THE ORANGE IS THE CITY OWNED WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND THE DELS. UH, SO THOSE, THAT'S THE ANNEXATION AREAS. YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE NO OTHER, UM, PROPOSED, UH, ANNEXATION OF ANY REAL PROPERTY. UH, ALTHOUGH IT DOES, UH, TOUCH THE SEDONA SHADOWS, UH, DEVELOPMENT HERE, THE NORTH PART ON, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE DRY CREEK WASH THERE. UM, BUT NO ONE IN THE SEDONA SHADOWS OR SEDONA PINES OR EL ROJO GRANDE RANCH, THEIR PROPERTY IS PRO BEING PROPOSED TO BE ANNEXED IN THIS. AND INDEED, THE CITY CAN'T ANNEX, UM, AND WOULDN'T GENERALLY ANNEX ANY, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WITH, UNLESS IT WAS ON BY PETITION OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS. SO, UH, WHAT'S MOST LIKELY TO BE, UH, THE ONLY SIGNATORIES NEEDED ON THIS PETITION IS GOING TO BE, UM, A PS WITH, UH, THEIR POWER [03:45:01] LINE RUNNING THROUGH HERE. UM, AND THEN THE SOLAR POWER. UM, THE COMPANY OWNS THE SOLAR POWERS ON THE CITY PROPERTY. THOSE ARE BOTH PERSONAL PROPERTY ITEMS THAT ARE ASSESSED. AND THEREFORE, IN ORDER TO MEET THE ANNEXATION REQUIREMENTS, UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY, UM, BOTH IN ASSESSED VALUE AND THE NUMBER OF OWNERS HAVE TO APPROVE OF IT. UM, THE, THE REASON THE MAP LOOKS LIKE THIS IS BECAUSE OF ARIZONA'S, UH, ANNEXATION RULES, WHICH ARE CONTROLLED BY STATE LAW. UM, IT WAS A RESULT OF, UH, DOWN IN THE, THE VALLEY IN MARICOPA COUNTY, THE CITIES LIKE TO DO WHAT THEY CALLED STRIP ANNEXATIONS. SO YOU'D THINK IF THE CITIES SEDONA WANTED TO ANNEX ITS WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHY DOESN'T IT JUST GO DOWN THE HIGHWAY AND THEN GO AROUND THE DELLS AND THE WASTEWATER AND BE DONE WITH IT? UM, IN THE SEVENTIES, THE STATE OUTLAWED THAT PRACTICE BECAUSE CITIES WERE, UM, ANNEXING A, A ONE FOOT WIDE STRIP OR THREE FOOT WIDE STRIP ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET FOR 15 MILES, YOU KNOW, ONE DIRECTION, THEN UP FIVE MILES AND BACK 15 MILES. AND, AND BY DOING THAT, THEY WEREN'T ACTUALLY PROVIDING ANY NEW SERVICES TO THE AREA, BUT THEY WERE BLOCKING OUT OTHER CITIES AND ESTABLISHING THESE PLANNING BOUNDARIES. AND SO THERE WAS SOME LITIGATION OVER AND, AND, UM, EVENTUALLY ENOUGH CASE LAWS SO THAT NOW THERE'S THE, THESE, UH, LENGTH, UH, WIDTH AND SIZE AND CONT CONTINUITY REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO, UH, DO THIS ANNEXATION. AND SO, UH, IF, IF IT WAS BACK IN THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE THE CITY, IDEALLY WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO ANNEX LESS NATIONAL FOREST LAND THAN WAS PROPOSED. UH, BUT BASED ON THE RULES, THIS IS, UM, UH, EASILY DEFENSIBLE AND, UM, COMPLIANT ANNEXATION, ANNEXATION. UH, SO HERE ON THE WEST SIDE, THE CITY LIMITS WILL JUST MOVE, UH, IT'S A LITTLE OVER 400 FEET, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, UM, FURTHER WEST THAN WHERE IT ALREADY IS. AND SO THAT'S JUST ABOVE LOWER RED ROCK LOOP ROAD. UM, AND THEN THERE WILL, OF COURSE BE THE ANNEXATION DOWN HERE. THERE ARE, UM, NO ESTABLISHED, UM, UH, I GUESS ON THE MAPS ANYWAYS, UH, FOREST ROADS, OTHER THAN THE ONE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, THIS TRAIL HEAD RIGHT HERE, THIS ALWAYS V TRAIL HEAD, UM, RIGHT ACROSS THE SHARING THE SAME DRIVEWAY. SO THERE'S, THERE'S THAT ONE THAT'LL BE WITHIN THE CITY'S ANNEXATION BOUNDARY. THERE ARE, UH, SOCIAL TRAILS AND OTHER TRAILS, OF COURSE, CUTTING THROUGH THIS AREA UP THROUGH HERE. UM, AND SO THERE, THERE WOULD BE, UH, AN, UH, THE CITY ALREADY POLICES ITS OWN WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. UH, YAVAPAI COUNTY HAD ASKED THE CITY TO DO THAT MANY YEARS AGO. THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED IN RESPONDING TO CALLS AT THE CITY'S, UH, OWN PROPERTY. UM, SO BEYOND THAT, THERE COULD BE SOME CALLS FOR SERVICES FOR LOST HIKERS OR OTHER INCIDENCES IN, IN THIS GENERAL AREA, WHICH THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULDN'T SERVE, WOULDN'T, UM, RESPOND TO ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN IT DOES ANYTIME ELSE. WE GET A CALL FOR SERVICE OUT HERE IN WEST SEDONA OR OTHER AREAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GOING UP, GOING UP, UH, SNUBBY A LITTLE BIT. UM, AND SO WE, WE WOULD STILL RESPOND TO SERVICES IN THAT AREA. SO THE, THAT'S THE, I MEAN, THE STEPS ARE IN THE AGENDA. BILL. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. LET ME SHOW YOU JUST BRIEFLY. A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IT JUST SOUNDS MORE INTERESTING THAN IT REALLY IS A ANNEXATION PETITION. UM, SO HERE'S THE ANNEXATION PETITION. UH, YOU FILE A BLANK ONE WITH THE COUNTY FIRST AND, AND LET ALL THE, UM, FIRE DISTRICT, THE LOCAL CABLE COMPANY, UH, A DO COCONINO NATIONAL FOREST. YOU, YOU OFFICIALLY LET THEM KNOW. A LOT OF 'EM KNOW ALREADY, UM, ABOUT THIS. AND WHAT THE COUNTY ASSESSOR DOES, AND THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE IS, THEY THEN REVIEW THIS ANNEXATION AREA, AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WILL GIVE US THE LIST OF ANY REAL OR PERSONAL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THAT AREA WHO WE HAVE TO THEN GET A MAJORITY OF IN ORDER TO, UM, APPROVE THE ANNEXATION. SO THEIR NAMES WOULD GO RIGHT HERE. UM, AND IF COUNSEL APPROVES THIS FILING, THE ANNEXATION PETITION THAT STARTS THAT PROCESS, WE GET, THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO GIVE US THE, THE LIST OF WHO'S ON THE PROPERTY. UH, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 14TH. UM, AND COUNSEL WOULD, AGAIN, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE THAT AND CONTINUE THAT FORWARD. UM, AND THEN IF COUNSEL DOES THAT, WE WILL THEN HAVE A YEAR TO COLLECT THE SIGNATURES. UM, UH, IF THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE A COUPLE, IT SHOULD TAKE A LOT LESS THAN A YEAR. AND THEN WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR A FINAL COUNSEL, UH, APPROVAL BY ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE, UM, APPROVING THE ANNEXATION. SO THAT'S THE PROCESS. HERE'S THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION. IT WAS IN THE, IS IN THE PACKET, UM, USING THE, THE, THE SECTION, UM, MAP. IT WAS, IT ACTUALLY ENDS UP [03:50:01] BEING A PRETTY SHORT LEGAL DESCRIPTION. AND SO LUCKILY THE CITY ANNEXATION, THAT'S PARTLY ALSO WHY IT LOOKS THAT WAY, WAS WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP COSTS DOWN, UM, IN DOING THE, THE SURVEY. AND THEN HERE'S JUST, UM, THE OFFICIAL MAP, AND THEN HERE'S A LITTLE BIT LARGER MAP TO SHOW WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE THE NEW CITY BOUNDARIES WILL LOOK LIKE. SO IT WILL, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SOUTH END OF THE CURRENT WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. AND THE DELLS IS, UM, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH THAN THE FAR END OF THE CITY, SOUTH OF THE CHAPEL ON THE WAY TO THE VOC. UM, BUT OTHERWISE IT'LL BE FAIRLY SQUARE AND KIND OF MATCH THE, THE, I FEEL LIKE THE BOUNDARIES ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO I DON'T LIKE UGLY ANNEXATIONS. I LIKE IT TO LOOK SOMEWHAT LIKE IT FITS. SO THAT'S THE, UH, THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION. UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY, BRIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. KURT, I THINK, UH, A NUMBER OF MY QUESTIONS ARE GONNA BE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE AUDIENCE. SO TO REITERATE, THERE IS NO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY PROPOSED TO BE ANNEXED AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, CORRECT? CORRECT. UNLESS THERE'S SOME HOUSE OUT HERE THAT WE'RE UNAWARE OF AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ON THE MAP, OR MAYBE THEY LIVE UNDERGROUND OR SOMETHING. UM, THE, I KNOW THERE'S QUESTIONS FROM THE PEOPLE DOWN IN ELMVILLE DOWN HERE. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S CLEARLY AT MOST OF THE CITY BOUNDARIES MOVING OVER ABOUT 400 FEET FURTHER TOWARDS THEM. SO IT WON'T HAVE ANY EFFECT THERE. UM, AND THEN YOU GOT SEDONA SHINE PINES AND SHADOWS HERE IN EL ROHO GRANDE. IT IS GOING RIGHT AROUND THEIR NORTH. AND, UM, IF THEY WEREN'T THERE, WE WOULD'VE JUST GONE STRAIGHT ACROSS THE SECTION LINE IF EL ROHO GRANDE WASN'T THERE, JUST TO KEEP IT EASY. BUT WE DID HAVE TO SURVEY, UH, AROUND THAT BOUNDARY, UM, JUST TO TRY AND TO GET OUT TO THE DALLAS. BUT YEAH, AS, AS CAN BE SEEN ON THE SATELLITE PHOTO ANYWAY, THERE APPEARS TO BE NO. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE A LOOK AT THE COUNTY ASSESSOR'S MAP, NO PRIVATE PROPERTY PERIOD IN THERE. IT'S ALL COCONINO NATIONAL FORCE. AND KURT, THE, THE BYPRODUCT OF THE ANNEXATION HAS NO IMPACT ON THE NATIONAL FOREST ITSELF, CORRECT? YES, IT DOES NOT. SO THE NATIONAL FOREST, UH, DOESN'T TAKE A POSITION ON IT, UH, 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM, UH, FEDERAL LAWS, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS ANYWAY. UM, HISTORICALLY WE'VE WORKED REALLY WELL WITH THE NATIONAL FORCE THOUGH, AND THEY LIKE US POLICING SOME OF THEIR TRAILHEADS AND WHATNOT. SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME, UM, SOME COOPERATION THERE AND AS PART OF THIS ANNEXATION, UH, BUT THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, APPROVE OR DENY IT. WE LET 'EM KNOW. AND THAT'S, IT'S A COURTESY NOTICE THERE. THEY DON'T HAVE A SAY NECESSARILY ON WHETHER THIS IS ANNEX OR NOT, BUT IT ALSO HAS ZERO EFFECT ON THEIR CURRENT PROCEDURE POLICY OR HOW THEY OPERATE. RIGHT. AND WE CORRESPONDINGLY DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL, ANY MORE CONTROL OVER THEIR LAND IN THE FUTURE THAN, THAN WE DO NOW. THIS DOES NOT OPEN THE DOOR TO ANY COMMERCIAL OR OTHERWISE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. IT'S LITERALLY JUST A FUNCTION OF BRINGING IN OUR OWN OWNED PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. THAT WAS THE PURPOSE. UM, SO IT, I MEAN, THERE, THE, THE ONE CHANGE IS THE CITY CAN ENFORCE ITS ORDINANCES ON THE NATIONAL FORCE LIKE WE DO. UM, AND LIKE THEY ASK US TO, LIKE ANTI CAMPING ORDINANCES, THINGS LIKE THAT, PARKING. UM, IF THEY HAD A TRAIL HEAD AND THEY HAD PARKING WITH ISSUES, WE COULD ENFORCE CITY PARKING ORDINANCES OUT WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. STILL, EVEN IF IT'S OWNED NATIONAL PARK, BUT IT'S WILL BE TREATED, YOU'RE CORRECT THEN THAT NO COMMERCIAL, IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN DEVELOP IT, WE DON'T OWN IT. UH, WE CAN'T, UM, IT AUTOMATICALLY GET COMES IN ZONING WITH THE SAME ZONING THE COUNTY HAD ON IT BEFORE. SO WE HAVE NO MORE REAL AUTHORITY OVER THAT PROPERTY THAN YAVAPAI COUNTY HAD BEFORE THE CITY, IF THE ANNEXATION GOES THROUGH AND IT WOULD BE TREATED NO DIFFERENT THAN SAY, LIKE THE TRAIL HEADS AROUND, UM, THE AIRPORT. UM, THEY'RE STILL MAINTAINED AND OWNED BY THE COO NATIONAL FOREST, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. OKAY. AND IF I'M A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNER IN THE AREA, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT THERE, IS THERE ANY, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT EFFECT WOULD THAT HAVE ON ME? WHAT WHAT MIGHT I HAVE REASON TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT BY VIRTUE OF THIS ANNEXATION? UM, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY CONCERNS UNLESS YOU JUST REALLY DISLIKE THE IDEA OF THE CITY LIMITS BEING IN YOUR BACKYARD. UM, BUT THERE'S NO ACTUAL, UM, IT WON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IT WON'T BE SIGNS THERE, THE CITY WON'T BE OUT THERE. UM, IT'S JUST A WAY TO GET TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN. OKAY. THANK YOU, KURT. THANK YOU MAYOR. MELISSA, NO QUESTIONS. VICE MAYOR DEREK, PETE? YEAH, LOTS. BUT YOU CAN GO FIRST. YEAH, I HAVE A QUICK ONE. GO AHEAD. UM, SO IT SAYS THAT, UH, CITY COUNCIL CAN STOP THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION AT ANY STEP DURING THE ANNEXATION PROCESS. THAT IS BY A SIMPLE AGENDA, IT A SIMPLE MOTION [03:55:01] AND MAJORITY VOTE. IS THAT HOW WE, HOW IT WOULD BE STOPPED? YEAH. SO THERE'S, UH, I MEAN, THE SIMPLEST WAY IS THERE'S GONNA BE, WE NEED THREE AFFIRMATIVE ACTIONS THE WAY I'VE SET THIS UP FROM COUNCIL. SO WE NEED, UH, APPROVAL TO FILE THE BLANK ANNEXATION PETITION TONIGHT MM-HMM . AND SO IF WE DON'T GET THAT, THAT STOPS IT, UM, WE WILL COME BACK ON JANUARY 14TH AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL NEED A APPROVAL, UH, TO CONTINUE THAT PROCESS. IF WE DON'T GET IT, THAT WOULD STOP IT. UM, IF COUNSEL APPROVES IT, THEN WE THEN GO GET THE SIGNATURES AND WE'LL COME BACK TO COUNSEL TO APPROVE, UH, THE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE. AT THAT POINT. IF COUNSEL DOESN'T ADOPT IT, THEN THAT STOPS IT. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT'S SET UP. OKAY. THANK YOU, PETE. QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DO HAVE QUESTIONS AND MOSTLY IT REVOLVES AROUND, WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF TALKING ABOUT THE WHAT AND THE HOW, BUT NOT ABOUT THE WHY. AND YOU, YOUR STAFF REPORT JUST SAYS THE CITY STAFF BELIEVES IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. BUT YOU LEAVE ME SCRATCHING MY HEAD ABOUT WHAT THE WHY IS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE'RE WORKING TO SOLVE. UM, SO I DON'T BELIEVE WE JUST STATE THAT WE STATE ONE TO ESTABLISH OUR PLANNING AREA, WHICH IS TO SHOW TO OTHER CITIES THAT WE ARE, UM, INTERESTED IN THIS AREA AND THAT WE DON'T WANT OTHER CITIES COMING INTO ENCROACHING IT. UM, TWO, IT'S TO FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY'S TRAIN, TRANSIT AND MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION FACILITY THAT'S LAW SOLICIT IN THERE. AND SO THAT DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSED FOR THE NORTH END OF THE CITY'S WASTEWATER TREATMENT AREA RIGHT HERE. IT'S UNDERDESIGNED RIGHT NOW. UM, THE COUNTY HAS, YOU KNOW, THE LATEST INDICATION WAS THAT THEY WERE GONNA LET IT GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. WELL, I, I HEARD CONFLICTING PARTS, BUT, UM, THE LAST EMAIL I GOT WAS, IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE A DIFFERENCE WHETHER IT WENT THROUGH THE CITY OR COUNTY ZONING. SO THEY WEREN'T GONNA TRY TO FORCE IT THROUGH COUNTY, UH, REZONING PROCESS. UM, BUT THIS WOULD JUST MAKE SURE, MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT'S PART OF THE CITY'S, UM, OR THE COUNTY HAS NO AUTHORITY OVER IT ANYMORE IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES THE ANNEXATION. AND THEN THE THIRD IS A MUCH, MUCH FUTURE DATE. UM, THE DELLS, UM, CURRENTLY, UM, IT'S BEING USED TO TO, YOU KNOW, AS, YOU KNOW, SPRINKLE WASTEWATER OUT THERE. UM, BUT THERE'S A PLAN TO DO SOME, UM, SOME MORE INJECTION WELLS, UH, WHICH WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO FREE THAT UP FOR, UH, DEVELOPMENT FOR ANYTHING THAT THE CITY SAW FIT OUT THERE OR MAINTAINING AN OPEN SPACE. UM, IT HASN'T NECESSARILY BEEN STUDIED, AND THAT I THINK IS A, AT LEAST PROBABLY FIVE YEARS AWAY. THE INTERESTING PART IS EVEN TO DEVELOP OUT THERE, ONE THING THAT I DON'T THINK HAS BEEN DISCUSSED MUCH IS THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WATER SERVICE OUT THERE. UM, THE CITY'S WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT HAS ONE, UM, ONE WELL THAT THEY USE TO PROVIDE FRESH WATER TO THE SITE FOR THEIR BATHROOMS AND, AND DRINKING AND WHATNOT. UM, BUT ALL THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WETLANDS ARE OBVIOUSLY THE RECLAIMED WATER. UH, BUT THERE THAT WELL IS OBVIOUSLY VERY INSUFFICIENT TO PROVIDE WATER, UH, TO DEVELOPMENT OF THE DELLS. AND SO THE QUESTION, THERE'S LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD EVER AND WHY YOU WOULD EVER AND HOW YOU'D WANT TO DEVELOP THE DELLS, UH, GOING FORWARD. UM, BUT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO COMPLETELY CONTROL THE PROCESS. SO THOSE ARE THE, THE REASONS LISTED IN THE AGENDA BILL AND, UH, THE REASONS WHY THIS IS BEING PROPOSED. SO HAS THE COUNTY INTERFERED WITH OR UNEXPECTEDLY OR UNNECESSARILY COMPLICATED THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE RECENTLY AT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT? SO THAT'S EXACTLY THE QUE QUESTION. WE TOLD 'EM WE'RE GONNA BE BUILDING THIS, AND THEY SAID, UNDER WHAT AUTHORITY CAN YOU JUST DO THAT? AND IT WAS EXPLAINED TO THEM AND THEY SAID, WE DISAGREE. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY, THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY AT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. UH, AND THEN IT WAS EXPLAINED, WELL, WE HAVE THIS IGA WITH YOU THAT SAYS WE CAN DO THIS. AND THEY SAID, THAT'S IN INAPPLICABLE, UH, PROBABLY NOT GOOD LAW AND DOESN'T APPLY. AND WE SAID, NO, IT'S JUST FINE. AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUST KINDA WENT BACK AND FORTH. AND SO, UM, THE WAY I PHRASE IT, IT'S ABOUT AS SETTLED, WHO HAS AUTHORITY TO, UM, REGULATE THAT DEVELOPMENT AS THE AIRPORT IS, UM, WHICH IS JUST KIND OF IN A DEANTE SITUATION. SO WAITING FOR ONE SIDE TO, TO BLINK, THE AIRPORT HAS A THIRD PARTY INVOLVED IN IT. SO IT'S REALLY NOT JUST A CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. THIRD SIDE AIRPORT HAS A INDEPENDENT AIRPORT BOARD, WHICH HAS, UH, ITS OWN MOTIVATION. SO I, I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT AT SOMETIMES WE DO TRY TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND, AND SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS. YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION MAINTENANCE FACILITY, SO I WON'T ASK ABOUT THAT. I DID WANNA ASK ABOUT, SO WE'RE KIND OF HERE PREPARING FOR STEP THREE IN YOUR PROCESS. HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE SPENT SO FAR? HOW MUCH HOURS OF STAFF TIME, HOW MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE [04:00:01] WAS THIS EFFORT IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET? UH, SO YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST AT, YEAH, WE'VE COMPLETED STEP ONE. UM, AND WE'RE, UH, STEP TWO AND THREE ARE, ARE THE ONES TOGETHER. UM, THE, UH, STAFF DID THE, UM, SURVEYING IN-HOUSE. I, IT TOOK A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME. I DON'T KNOW. IT WAS PRIMARILY ONE, UH, ONE OUR IN-HOUSE SURVEYOR, JAMES CROWLEY. UM, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A RECORD OF HOW MANY HOURS HE SPENT ON IT, BUT IT WOULD, I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT, UH, PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, MANY WEEKS WORTH. UM, HE HAD, HE HAS OTHER PROJECTS HE'S GOING ON, AND SO IT TOOK THE GREATER PART OF THE SUMMER. HE WAS OUT THERE DURING THE SUMMER DOING THIS. UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY DO WE HAVE A BUDGETED ITEM? DO WE HAVE A LINE ITEM IN OUR BUDGET FOR DOING THIS WORK? OR DO WE TAKE IT FROM SOMEWHERE? UM, I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE A LINE ON IT. I'D HAVE TO LOOK IT UP THOUGH. I'M NOT SURE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT THAT ENTAILS. STEP SEVEN IS THE NEXT MAJOR MILESTONE. YOU TALKED ABOUT JANUARY 14, PUBLIC HEARING ON 1 17, 1 14, EXCUSE ME. HOW MUCH MORE MONEY AND TIME DO WE HAVE TO SPEND TO GET TO THAT STEP? UM, I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, VERY LITTLE. UH, SO THE FILING IS, IS FREE FOR THE CITY TO FILE THE ANNEXATION PETITION. AND THEN, UH, WELL, I MEAN, I GUESS THERE IS THE PUBLISH IN THE LOCAL PAPER. UM, NOT MUCH. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, I MEAN IT'S A, THE BULK OF WORK. BUT THEN WE GOT STEP EIGHT, WHICH IS I THINK A PRETTY BIG STEP. PREPARING A PLAN THAT LOOKS AT 10 YEARS AND WHAT WE TEND TO DO, RIGHT? THIS IS A PLANNING EFFORT NOW AND ALL HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE THE YEAR IS UP. SO, I MEAN, IN MY CONVERSATION WITH STAFF, THERE'S NO PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE OTHER THAN THE MAINTENANCE AND TRANSFER TRANSIT OPERATION IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY SET PLANS. AND SO WE WERE ACTUALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO EVEN WRITE THAT INTO A PLAN . 'CAUSE UH, THE CITY ALREADY POLICES IT, UH, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. SO THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH NEW POLICING OUT THERE. I MEAN, THE CITY WOULD OFFER WASTEWATER SERVICES TO ANY DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NO PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW WITHIN THE, THE PLANNING AREA. UM, THIS PROPOSED ANNEXATION AREA. SO IT WASN'T GOING TO BE, WHILE WE HAVE TO PREPARE A PLAN, POLICY OR PROCEDURE, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS GONNA BE MUCH. 10 YEARS IS A LONG TIME. DANGLE SOMETHING LIKE OWNERSHIP OF A PROPERTY OUT THERE. AND TO SAY THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING QUESTION HERE FOR 10 YEARS, PETE, UH, I'M WORKING MY WAY THERE, MAYOR. AND SO COUNCIL FURMAN, YOU, I MEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT'S, IT'S THE 10 YEARS. AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT COULD, YOU KNOW, WHAT MIGHT END UP ON THE DELLS IN 10 YEARS. BUT THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING COUNCIL CONTROLS ENTIRELY. AND CURRENTLY IT'S USED FOR WASTEWATER PURPOSES. AND IT MAY HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BE USED AS WASTEWATER PURPOSES GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE PFAS, UM, ISSUE, UM, AND RECLAIM WATER USAGE. WHO KNOWS THEY MIGHT NEED MORE SPACE. UH, THEY DON'T PLAN ON IT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW. SO I REALLY DON'T BELIEVE IN FREE LUNCHES. DOES EITHER YOU OR THE CITY MANAGER EXPECT THAT THIS ACTIVITY WILL NECE NECESSITATE A DELAY OR SLIPPAGE AND SOME OTHER ALREADY PLANNED GOALS? WHAT PLANNED ACTIVITY COULD GET DONE EARLIER IF THIS WAS NOT AN ASSIGNED TASK? UM, YEAH, I, I MEAN, I COULD FOCUS MORE ON THE RULES OF PROCEDURE OR SOME OTHER LEGAL THINGS, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE LEGAL ISSUES HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE. UH, SO FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, THERE'S NOT A LOT MORE, I MEAN, COM DEV WILL HAVE TO, UH, WORK ON, UH, A LITTLE BIT SOME REZONING. I MEAN, IF COUNCIL APPROVES THE ORDINANCE, THEY'RE AUTOMATICALLY REZONED IN AS THE MOST COMPARABLE ZONE WE HAVE, WHICH IS THE RS 70. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY MANAGER HAD ANYTHING ELSE. UH, THANK YOU KURT. UM, YEAH, JUST, UH, EVENTUALLY, UM, ADOPTING NEW ZONING IN THAT AREA, WHICH WOULD BE FACTORED INTO A WORK PLAN AT THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. UM, I DON'T THINK ASTON BE IMMEDIATELY DONE BECAUSE WE DO CONVERT IT TO THE MOST SIMILAR ZONING THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS AS TO WHAT IT IS NOW. AND THERE'S NO NEED TO DO ANY OTHER TYPE OF ZONING ON OUR PARCELS. UM, THAT COULD ALL BE DONE IN THE FUTURE. SO I WASN'T ENVISIONING THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT STAFF PROJECT RELATED TO THIS. UM, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME INTEREST FROM COM DEV TO REZONE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TO COMMUNITY FACILITIES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S IN THE NEAR FAR FUTURE, BUT THAT'D BE MORE, [04:05:01] UH, COMMENSURATE WITH WHAT'S BEING THAT PROPERTY'S BEING USED AS INSTEAD OF R 70. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING. ARE WE, ARE WE GONNA BE ACTUALLY TRACKING HOURS AND COSTS SO WE CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS I ASKED EARLIER ABOUT HOW MUCH THIS PROJECT IS COSTING US OVER TIME? UM, THERE'S, AT LEAST I'M UNAWARE OF ANY PLAN FOR STAFF TO DO THAT. WE DON'T GENERALLY, I DON'T TRACK MY HOURS ON ANY OF THE OTHER PROJECTS I WORK ON, BUT IF COUNCIL WANTED US TO, THEN, UM, THEY COULD DIRECT US. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW, MAYOR. THANK YOU, PETE. KATHY, ONE QUICK ONE. WASN'T THIS ITEM, UM, ON OUR BUDGET PRIORITIES LIST SET LAST TIME, THIS WAS AN, SO WE HAD AGREED TO PURSUE THIS YES. AS AN ITEM. IT WAS A NEW BUDGET. PRIORITIES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, SO LET'S, UH, OPEN, UH, TO THE PUBLIC TO A PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE SOME CARDS. WE'LL CALL, I'LL CALL YOUR NAME. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE HERE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH OUR PROCESS. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE A CLOCK HERE AND WE HAVE A CLOCK THERE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. MAXIMUM START WITH YOUR NAME AND IN YOUR, YOUR ESSENCE. IF YOU'RE IN S SEDONA, SAY SEDONA OR THE COUNTY, 'CAUSE IT'S THE CITY OF RESIDENCE. IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE CITY, YOU'D BE IN THE COUNTY. SO, UH, PETE FOX, YOU'RE NUMBER ONE, YOU STILL HERE, PETE, YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY SCOTT JOHNSON. UH, MAYOR. UH, MY NAME IS PETER FOX AND I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA, BUT IN THE COUNTY, THANK YOU MAYOR, DEPUTY MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE SUNSET HILLS PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION. UH, SUNSET HILLS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF SEDONA, RIGHT UNDER THAT GRAY LINE, UH, THAT WAS RESUMED IN ON EARLIER. SO WE'RE RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED, UH, ANNEXATION, AND IT MAKES US A LITTLE NERVOUS LOOKING AT THE SHAPE CONNECTED WITH SEDONA, WHERE IT SEEMS THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS, THE NEXT 20 YEARS TO BUILD HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, RESORTS, UH, IN THAT HUGE SWATH OF LAND FROM THE EDGE OF THE CITY, UH, TOWARDS, UH, THE EDGE OF WHAT IS COTTONWOOD. UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE IS THAT THE LINE IS EXACTLY AGAINST, UH, OUR PROPERTIES. WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE NATIONAL FOREST, UH, THROUGH MANY OF THOSE, UH, OR BETWEEN MANY OF THOSE HOMES. AND WE'RE WONDERING WHY, UH, OR IF IT'S POSSIBLE, INSTEAD OF THAT COMING DOWN EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE, TO WHERE IT GOES AROUND ROJO GRANDE, JUST TAKE THAT LINE, UH, DUE WEST. AND SO THAT WE HAVE A BUFFER BETWEEN, UH, US TO THE OTHER SIDE OF WHAT WE AFFECTIONATELY REFER TO AS ROSIE'S VOLCANO. UH, WE HAVE MANY RESIDENTS WHO HAVE LIVED IN THAT AREA FOR 30 YEARS AND ENJOYED SIGNIFICANT, UH, SOLITUDE, PEACE, AND QUIET. UH, AND WE'D LIKE TO ASSURANCES THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO ENJOY THAT FOR, UH, ANOTHER 30 YEARS. UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, WE REALIZED THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, FOR LOW, UH, UM, LOW INCOME HOUSING. UH, SOME OF , QUITE A NUMBER OF OUR MEMBERS, UH, ARE RESIDENTS, UH, ACTUALLY WORK IN SEDONA. SO WE FEEL WE'RE KIND OF PROVIDING SOME OF THAT ALREADY. UH, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, TO AT LEAST HAVE THAT BUFFER THERE SO THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, NOT GONNA BE ENCROACHED ON, UH, ANY TIME IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. PETER. SCOTT JOHANSSON, UH, I'M SORRY, JOHNSON WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL, UH, COY. YEAH. MY NAME IS SCOTT JOHNSON. I ALSO LIVE IN SUNSET HILLS, WHICH WAS ERRONEOUSLY, UH, SAID TO BE SEDONA SHADOWS. THAT IS THE SUBDIVISION OR THE AREA RIGHT NEXT TO US. UM, WHEN WE SAW THIS IN THE RED ROCK NEWS, OUR RESIDENTS GOT VERY, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT THIS FOR THE REASONS THAT PETER MENTIONED. UH, IT'S, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THIS MEANT. AND WHEN YOU USE LANGUAGE, LIKE, AND ALSO TO BETTER ESTABLISH THE CITY PLANNING AREA, WE DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE TO KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. THAT SOUNDS VAGUE AND IT SOUNDS EVASIVE, AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTIONS. UM, COUNSELOR, IT REALLY HELPED CLARIFY THINGS. I MEAN, IT, THE ANSWERS YOU GOT TO THE QUESTIONS MADE IT SOUND LIKE THERE, THERE ARE NO PLANS TO PUT HOUSES OR RESORTS OR ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA, AND THAT MAY NOT EVEN BE EASILY POSSIBLE [04:10:01] IF THE FOREST SERVICE IS STILL IN CHARGE OF THAT. UM, BUT, UM, I THINK YOU USED COUNT, UM, MR. CRI IN THE, UH, LANGUAGE. THERE'S NO PLANS RIGHT NOW FOR THAT. WELL, DOES THAT MEAN THERE, THIS IS A POSSIBILITY IN THE FUTURE, UM, WHEN ALL OF YOU ARE NO LONGER ON THE COUNCIL AND SOMEBODY AND A WHOLE OTHER PEOPLE ARE SITTING THERE WITH DIFFERENT, UM, AGENDAS. SO THAT IS A CONCERN. AND, UM, SO WE DID WANT TO GET THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS FOR THE RESIDENTS OF SUNSET HILLS. WE ARE A 55 PLUS COMMUNITY, UM, MODERATE TO LOWER INCOME, AS PETER SAID. WE, WE, WE HAVE SOME OF THAT AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING, UM, ALL OUR PEOPLE, UM, FREQUENT BUSINESSES IN SEDONA. AND, UH, AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE AND ADDRESS YOU AND, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T LIVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. SO THANK YOU. THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. UH, DAN KANE KING GAIN, YOU SAID HE LEFT. PETE COIN IS GONE. OKAY. COIN IS GONE. COIN IS GONE. OKAY. SO DEAN GAIN, ARE YOU STILL HERE? OKAY. NO, HE'S LEFT. MAYOR. OKAY. UH, TRISH. JAN, I'M HERE. OKAY, GREAT. BE FOLLOWED BY OLIN. ROBBIE OLIN. ROBBIE WILL BE THE LAST CARD. I BELIEVE. I'M LIKE, I, I'M IN LIKE, FOOD, FOOD. SHOCK OF NOT HAVING IT. OKAY. BEFORE YOU START, BEFORE WE TAKE YOUR TIME, IF, YEP. SO TRISH IS THE LAST CARD. IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK, NOW IS YOUR TIME. QUICKLY FILL OUT A CARD AND YOU'D BE NEXT UP. OTHERWISE, YOU'LL BE OUR LAST PERSON. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS TRISH JANKE. I ALSO LIVE IN SUNSET HILLS, WHICH IS IN THE COUNTY. UM, AS WE SAID, WE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS. IT DID SOUND ALARMING WHEN WE'RE, UH, ANNEXING, UH, OVER 3000 ACRES OF LAND, THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF LAND. WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THAT LAND? AND I HEAR IT BEING SAID THAT NOTHING IS REALLY PLANNED FOR THAT LAND FOR THE MOMENT. BUT WE KNOW HOW THINGS CHANGE AND WE KNOW HOW CLIMATES CHANGE AND COUNCILS CHANGE. MANY THINGS CHANGE. SO ONCE THAT IS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, IT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT MANY THINGS COULD HAPPEN ON THAT LAND BECAUSE IT IS NO LONGER, IS NO LONGER UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE COUNTY. IT IS NOW UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY. AND, AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE CITY HAS POSSIBLY SOME, SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN OUT THERE. MY QUESTION IS, WHY NOT? THE CITY OWNS THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT AND THAT LAND ACROSS THE STREET AND HAS FOR A WHILE AND IT'S BEEN WORKING OUT. WHY, WHY SUDDENLY DO YOU FEEL A NEED TO GO OUT AND LIKE ENCOMPASS THAT? I, THAT IS A QUESTION THAT IT'S BEEN WORKING FINE THE WAY IT IS. WHY SUDDENLY IS THERE A NEED FOR A CHANGE? UM, AND, AND I GUESS I, YOU KNOW, MY QUESTIONS ARE, I KNOW WE'RE NOT IN A DIALOGUE HERE, BUT MY QUESTIONS ARE WHAT COULD HAPPEN TO THAT LAND, NOT ONLY JUST AROUND OUR AREA, BUT THAT IS A RURAL, RURAL LAND AND WE LIKE OUR RURAL LAND. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS PEOPLE COME HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPANSE THROUGH 89 A AS ONE OF OUR SCENIC CORRIDORS, AND WE WANNA KEEP IT THAT WAY. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ATTRACTS PEOPLE TO THIS AREA. SO I JUST, I'M, I'M ASKING QUESTIONS. WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO EVEN ASK APPROPRIATE QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT. I FEEL LIKE I HEARD A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT I FEEL LIKE I HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD OF ALL THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT COULD BE GOING ON HERE. NOT JUST THIS YEAR, BUT IN TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS. AND I LOVE THE IDEA OF IF, IF YOU DO GO AHEAD WITH THIS, SOME KIND OF A BUFFER FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE PUSH IT BACK, UM, BECAUSE IT IS LITERALLY RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARDS. I MEAN, ON THE FENCE LINE. AND THAT WHY IF, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA, AND, AND THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION I LOOKED AT THE STATUTE OR THE, YOU KNOW, THE ANNEXATION AND SOMETHING ABOUT IF SOMETHING'S SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES, IT'S POSSIBLE TO JUST SORT OF TAKE THAT IN. AND THAT MIGHT BE US. AND I DON'T, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT OUR APPROVAL. UM, IS THAT TRUE THAT, THAT YOU CAN'T JUST SUCK SOMETHING IN WITHOUT THOSE PEOPLE SAYING, YEAH, WE WANT IT. THAT IS CORRECT. ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. I HAVE CONCERNS. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE THAT HAD TO GO HOME BECAUSE WE'RE A LITTLE OLD AND WE DIDN'T HAVE DINNER YET AND WE JUST WE'RE SHAKING. AND SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I THANK YOU FOR THOSE QUESTIONS. THEY WERE VERY APPROPRIATE. BUT [04:15:01] WE CAN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT WE CAN ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS. THAT'S YEAH. ASK, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW WE CAN HEAR MORE LATER. IT'S NOT ON DEAF EARS. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, MYSTERIOUS. I JUST GOT A NEW CARD. UH, BONNIE JOHNSON, PLEASE COME UP. YES. AT THIS POINT YOU JUST ANSWERED, START WITH YOUR NAME AND COUNTY. I'M BONNIE JOHNSON AND I AM FROM SUNSET HILLS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD IN YAVAPI COUNTY. THANK YOU. UM, SO I'M ONE OF THOSE HOMES THAT A BUTTS UP TO THE, THE NATIONAL FOREST THERE. UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED, UM, SUCH AS MY HUSBAND SCOTT JOHNSON'S QUESTION REGARDING ARE THERE ANY PLANS NOW OR WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE LATER TO, UH, PUT RESORTS OR HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS OR ANYTHING ELSE, ROADWAYS, ANYTHING ELSE BACK THERE IN THAT ANNEXED AREA THAT IS NATIONAL FOREST AND WE, WE SORT OF FELT LIKE WE GOT AN ANSWER TO THAT. BUT UM, EARLIER WHEN, UM, UH, COUNCILOR WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS, UM, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE NATIONAL FORCE. SO THAT WAS A RELIEF, I THINK, TO EVERYONE'S EARS HERE THAT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. BUT WE ARE STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE VAGUENESS OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING TO COME IN THE FUTURE. AND SO MY HUSBAND WAS ASKING WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE IS A DIFFERENT SET OF COUNSELORS AND A NEW MAYOR AND WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE. WE'D LIKE TO REALLY KNOW WOULD THERE BE, UM, ANYTHING PUT IN PLACE THAT SAYS, HERE'S WHY WE'RE DEVELOPING OR TRYING TO ANNEX THIS LAND AND THERE ARE AND WILL NOT BE. CAN WE GET ANY ASSURANCES OF NO, UH, DEVELOPMENT BACK THERE IN THE FUTURE? SO THAT'S, AND I GUESS THAT QUESTION WILL BE ADDRESSED. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL, UH, COURT. YOU WANNA JUST ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS OR? SURE. IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH COUNSEL HERE. TIME. I'LL, I'LL TRY. SO ANY REFERENCES TO, FOR THE MOMENT OR FOR NOW, WE'RE ALL IN RELATION TO THE DELLS DOWN HERE. THIS IS THE PROPERTY WE CALL THE DELLS ACROSS THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY. THAT'S THE ONLY PROPERTY THE CITY CAN DEVELOP. THE CITY CANNOT DEVELOP COCONINO NATIONAL FOREST. THE ONLY WAY ANYONE COULD DEVELOP COCONINO NATIONAL FOREST, BARRING THE NATIONAL FOREST WANTING TO DEVELOP THEIR OWN PROPERTY WOULD BE THROUGH, I BELIEVE A LAND EXCHANGE, WHICH I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON. BUT A LAND EXCHANGE MEANS YOU OWN NATIONAL FOREST PROPERTY SOMEWHERE ELSE AND YOU'RE WANTING TO EXCHANGE IT WITH THE NATIONAL FORCE FOR THEY, THEY GENERALLY WILL WANT MORE VALUABLE PROPERTY FOR LESS VALUABLE. UM, AND I FOR, I'M NOT SURE THE INS AND OUT, BUT OFTEN, UH, LAND EXCHANGE HAS TO BE APPROVED BY AN ACT OF CONGRESS. UM, AND SO IT'S, I MEAN IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. UM, AND THERE'S A WHOLE STEP FOR PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH IF THEY WANTED TO, UM, TAKE ANY SECTION OF COCONINO NATIONAL FORCE AND TRY TO, LIKE I SAID, THEY'D FIRST HAVE TO OWN COCONINO NATIONAL FORCE OR SOME OTHER FORCE SOMEWHERE ELSE ELSE AND TRY TO SWAP IT FOR MORE VALUABLE, OR THEY'RE MORE VALUABLE PROPERTY FOR LESS VALUABLE PROPERTY. SO YOU COULD THEN DEVELOP IT. UM, SO THERE'S, BY EXTENDING THE CITY JURISDICTION, IT DOESN'T MEAN THE CITY OWNS THE LAND THAT THE CITY CAN DEVELOP THE LAND. UM, AND THERE'S ZERO PLANS NOW, UM, TO DEVELOP AND THERE'S NO WAY FOR THE CITY TO DEVELOP IT. UH, THE CITY DOESN'T OWN ANY COCONINO NATIONAL FOREST LAND ELSEWHERE. THEY COULD DO A LAND EXCHANGE ON, UH, SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW ONE SECOND SAY THAT. UM, YEAH, THERE'S NO WAY FOR THE CITY TO DEVELOP COCONINO NATIONAL FORCE TO THAT, TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID. UM, THOUGH THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED ABOUT CREATING A BUFFER, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE SOME EASE OF MIND. BUT, UH, FROM WHAT I SEE, THE LOT LINE IS THE LOT LINE. AND SINCE IT'S NOT OUR LAND AT THE MOMENT, IT WOULD BE OWNED STILL BY THE FOREST SERVICE. WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO IN THERE AND CREATE A BUFFER OR GREENWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY FOREST SERVICE LAND. WE CAN'T ADJUST THE LINE BECAUSE THE LOT IS THE LOT, IS THAT CORRECT? SO I, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT COUNCILOR SILLA, BUT I THINK WHAT THE RESIDENTS WERE STATING IS THEY'D LIKE THIS LINE MOVED LIKE MAYBE UP HERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, UH, AND THE REASON ONCE WE GOT ROUND EL ROJO GRANDE, WE JUST CUT TO THE SECTION LINE 'CAUSE THAT WAS GONNA REDUCE THE, THE SURVEYING COSTS, UH, VERSUS TRYING TO HAVE SOMEONE WALK WITH MEETS AND BOUNDS UP OVER THE MOUNTAIN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IT WAS, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE JUST TRIED TO USE SECTION LINES. WE USE SECTION LINES, THEN IT'S A A LOT EASIER, A LOT CHEAPER SURVEY THAN TRYING TO HAVE SOMEONE WALK OUT THERE WITH UH, GPS DATA. SO THAT'S THE REASON IT GOES ALONG THERE. THE REASON IT'S ON THERE LOT LINES IS 'CAUSE THEIR LOT LINES ARE ON THE SECTION LINE. RIGHT. IF, IF IT HAPPENED TO FALL ON SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEN IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. YOU KNOW, [04:20:01] A COUPLE OF YOU ASKED A QUESTION OF, OKAY, WELL WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE'S A DIFFERENT COUNCIL AND MAYOR IN PLACE? IT DOESN'T MATTER. THE RULES THAT KURT JUST DESCRIBED APPLY UNIVERSALLY. WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT FOREST SERVICE LAND. SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. I, I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE, WHY NOW? I MEAN, THERE'S JUST LITERALLY NOTHING WE CAN DO WITH THAT FOREST SERVICE LAND. WE DON'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN IT, WE DON'T OWN IT. WELL, I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THAT OWNERSHIP DOESN'T CHANGE. IT'S JUST WHAT JURISDICTION IT FALLS IN. BUT WE WOULDN'T OWN THAT LAND STILL BE OWNED BY THE FOREST SERVICE. YEAH. SO I MEAN, JURISDICTIONALLY, IT WAS COCONINO COUNTY BEFORE AND NOW IT'D BE JURISDICTIONALLY CITY OF SEDONA, BUT I DON'T KNOW, OR YAVAPAI, I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN YOU SAW YAVAPI SHERIFF DEPUTIES BACK THERE. UM, PROBABLY NEVER. AND IT'D BE THE SAME WITH SEDONA POLICE OFFICERS. ALRIGHT. SO IF YOU WANTED TO GO BACK THERE AND HIKE, HAVE FUN. IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY THAT'S GONNA STAY THE SAME, SO YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T. HAPPY TO HAVE ANY CLARIFICATION, . I'M GLAD YOU'RE HAPPY. OKAY. BUT WE REALLY CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE COMMENTS. SO ONCE I CLOSE IT, BUT WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? UH, ALRIGHT, COMMENTS. DEREK, PETE, YOU HAVE COMMENTS? YEP, I FIGURED. GO FOR IT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MAYOR. SO, YEAH, I, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO JOIN COUNCILOR FOLTZ AND ATTORNEY CHRISTENSEN ABOUT REASSURING THE FOLKS, YOU FOLKS HERE THAT SHOWED UP TONIGHT, AND I SPOKE TO SOME OF YOU THIS WEEKEND. I TOOK SOME PHONE CALLS FROM, FROM FOLKS AND IT REALLY ISN'T ABOUT YOUR BACKYARDS OR THE CIDER CONE AND, AND THAT AREA OUT THERE. IT, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT THIS COUNCIL OR FUTURE COUNCIL CAN REALLY DO BECAUSE IT IS NATURAL NATIONAL FOREST PROPERTY. IT IS ALL ABOUT THE SEWER TREATMENT PLANT AND WHAT WE WANNA DO THERE AND THE DELL'S PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM YOUR, UH, YOUR PROPERTIES AND SOMEDAY THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY OR MAY NOT BE A CONCERN. BUT THE ISSUES THAT I HEARD FROM MOST OF YOU IS REALLY ABOUT THE FOREST SERVICE LAND HACK BEHIND YOUR HOMES. AND IT'S REALLY NOTHING ABOUT THAT. THERE REALLY ISN'T ANYTHING THAT CAN HAPPEN ABOUT THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT MIGHT BE JUST ME, BUT I REALLY FAIL TO SEE THE NECESSITY OF TAKING THIS EFFORT TODAY. YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE COUNTY OR ANY OTHER JURISDICTION, WE SHOULD FOCUS ON FIXING THAT. WE EXPECT PEOPLE DEVELOPING IN OUR JURISDICTION TO PLAY BY OUR RULES. AND WE TOO MUST BE GOOD CITIZENS WHEREVER WE ARE. WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER. OUR CITY AND ITS ENTIRE HISTORY HAS NEVER EXPANDED ITS BOUNDARIES. WE'RE SURROUNDED BY WORLD RENOWNED BEAUTY. AND WHY START TO CHIP AWAY AT THAT? NOW, BESIDES THE SCENIC ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS WITH EXPANSION, A CITY'S COST STRUCTURE IS LARGELY DETERMINED BY ITS SIZE. SO SURE, MAYBE FROM THE THINGS THAT, UH, IS IN STAFF'S MIND TODAY, UH, EXPANDING OUR FOOTPRINT, IT, UH, IT, IT MIGHT NOT BE, UM, AS MUCH OF AN EFFECT, BUT I'M LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE AND EXPANDING OUR FOOTPRINT WILL LIKELY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON FUTURE BUDGETS, STREETS, POLICE, FLOOD CONTROL, SEWAGE MANAGEMENT, PARKS AND REC PLANNING, PERMITTING, EVERYTHING WE DO WILL BE MAGNIFIED BY A LARGER CITY. I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEMAND. THIS ACTIVITY PLACES ON OUR ALREADY OVERBURDENED STAFF. WE HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME AND I WONDER WHAT ALREADY PLANNED ACTIVITIES ARE GONNA BE DELAYED BY THIS ADDITIONAL WORK. OUR PLATE IS FULL AND WE DON'T NEED A BIGGER PLATE. FINALLY, AND PROBABLY THE MOST CONCERNING TO ME ARE THE UNINTENDED AND UNEXPECTED IMPACTS TO THE WESTERN GATEWAY PLANNING PROCESS. AND OF OUR HOPE FOR EFFORTS TO ENCOURAGE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ALONG 89 A IN WEST SEDONA. AND AGAIN, THIS IS THINKING OUT IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE'RE GETTING THIS TRAIN ROLLING AND IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO STOP THESE TRAINS WHEN THEY GET ROLLING. IT'S BEST TO, UH, WHAT DID BARNEY FIFE ALWAYS USED TO SAY? NIP IT IN THE BUD. SO BEGINNING AN ANNEXATION EFFORT OF THE DELL'S PROPERTY STARTS AS I SAID, THAT THE TRAIN ROLLING AND IT WILL INEVITABLY INFLUENCE THE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED IN THE WESTERN GATEWAY AND ANYONE THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING ALONG 89 A IN WEST SEDONA MIGHT PAUSE THEIR EFFORTS AND WAIT FOR MORE INFORMATION TO DEVELOP ABOUT THE DELLS. BECAUSE GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT ALWAYS SEEMS EASIER THAN INFILL PROJECTS. THIS IS GONNA END UP BEING AN UNINTENDED PRESSURE RELIEF VALVE THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA POINT TO. [04:25:04] MUCH PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE RECENTLY IN EFFORTS TO CHANGE THE HOUSING CONVERSATION IN OUR TOWN. AND WE'VE GONE FROM NIMBYS TO YIMBYS. THERE WAS LOTS OF EFFORT IN OUR COMMUNITY PLAN EFFORT, AND IT WAS AMAZING TO SEE OUR COMMUNITY EVOLVE IN ITS CONVERSATIONS. BUT I'M AFRAID THAT IN FUTURE PLANNING CONFERENCES, THEY'LL TALK ABOUT THE NEW ACRONYM LAUNCHED BY THIS ACTION. TODAY WE'RE GONNA CREATE Y BEES AND THEY'RE GONNA SAY, YES, LET'S DO HOUSING. BUT IN THAT BACKYARD, YES, BUT IN THAT BACKYARD, NOT, NOT MI NEAR MINE, THE TIME IS NOT NOW FOR THIS CONVERSATION. SOMEDAY IT MIGHT BE SOMEDAY I MIGHT BE SUPPORTIVE OF SOME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ON THE DELL'S PROPERTY, BUT THAT DAY IS NOT TODAY. IT'S TIME TO STUFF THIS GENIE BACK IN THE BOTTLE. AND ON A FINAL NOTE, I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES RECOGNIZE AND GIMME SOME CREDIT FOR NOT TRIGGERING EVERYONE BY USING THE WORD SPRAWL IN MY ARGUMENTS. YOU JUST DID. YOU'RE WELCOME. I DID THAT UP . VERY CREATIVE THOUGH. KATHY. SO YES, THE OWNERSHIP DOESN'T CHANGE, UM, WHICH GIVES SOME PROTECTION THERE. I JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT POINT. SO IT DOESN'T GET LOST IN SOME OF THE GREATER DIALOGUE, UM, ABOUT FUTURE. YES, YOU, THIS COUNCIL CAN'T BIND FUTURE COUNCILS, BUT THE LAWS APPLY TO EVERYBODY UNIVERSALLY. SO THE PROTECTIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE TODAY WILL BE IN PLACE TOMORROW. UM, MY INTEREST IN THIS IS ACTUALLY, UH, FROM A PRESERVATION POINT OF VIEW, UH, I AM CONCERNED THAT AT THE MOMENT IF THERE WERE TO BE A LAND EXCHANGE OR SOME RELEASE OF THE PROPERTY, FOR SOME REASON IT IS THE COUNTY THAT WOULD BE THE AUTHORITY REVIEWING ANY APPLICATION FOR ZONING OR USE. UH, I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BEING IN SEDONAS HANDS. UM, COTTONWOOD RECENTLY ANNEXED LAND COMING UP EAST CLOSER IN TOWARD THIS AREA. UH, AGAIN, I'M LOOKING FOR CLEAR DELINEATION BETWEEN THESE BOUNDARIES. AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT THAT FROM A PRESERVATION POINT OF VIEW. UM, I AGREE THAT IT'S NOT THE TIME FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE DELLS, UH, AND I THINK THAT THE WAY TO PROTECT THE DELLS IS BY MAKING SURE THAT IT COMES INTO THE CITY'S JURISDICTION. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I THINK WE GO THROUGH THIS SORT OF CONVOLUTED, UM, WAY FOOTPRINT TO GET TO THE LAND. THAT IS THE LAND OF THE INTEREST. I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. I'M GONNA, I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH A TRANSIT FACILITY THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO BUILD THERE. UM, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING BEYOND THAT. I'M INTERESTED IN PRESERVING THE DELLS AT THIS POINT IN TIME. I THINK THAT IT'S THE ONE OF THE FEW REALLY UNTOUCHED AND PURE LANDS THAT WE HAVE IN, IN THIS REGION. AT LEAST THE REGION VERY CLOSE TO SEDONA AND BETWEEN US AND COTTONWOOD. UM, IT'S DIRECTLY ON THE WATER. THE, THE, THE CREEK IS RIGHT DOWN THERE. IT'S RIPARIAN. THERE IS WILDLIFE THERE. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY, EVERY TIME SOMEBODY WANTS TO DEVELOP A LOT, SOMEBODY COMES AND TALKS ABOUT HOW IT'S ONE OF THE FEW UNDISTURBED PIECES OF LAND. BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY TRUE IN THE LOTS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARIES. NOW THIS IN MY EYES, IS A PURE AND UNDEVELOPED PIECE OF LAND THAT I'M INTERESTED IN, IN PRESERVING THAT WAY FOR AS LONG AS WE CAN. UH, THERE WILL BE PRESSURE AND NEEDS. I DON'T, I DON'T IGNORE THAT REALITY OF THAT AS POPULATION GROWS. BUT AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS WHO'S THE BEST STEWARDS FOR THIS AREA? AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THE CITY OF SEDONA AT THIS POINT. SO I AM, UM, I'M INTERESTED IN, IN, I, I'M ASSURED BY THE FACT THAT WE CAN VOTE NO AND STOP THIS AT ANY TIME. I WOULD HOPE THAT IF SOMETHING COMES UP THAT RAISES A RED FLAG FOR ME, THAT I WILL, THAT I WILL STAND UP AND HOPEFULLY BE MORE ELOQUENT THAN I'M BEING RIGHT NOW, UM, IN, IN TRYING TO HALT SOMETHING IF I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO DO DAMAGE. BUT AT THE MOMENT, I AM INTERESTED IN PURSUING THIS AGAIN BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT PROTECTING THE LAND AND, AND THE INTEREST THAT WE HAVE AND THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE. THANK YOU, KATHY. BRIAN, MELISSA, . YOU DON'T HAVE TO. WELL, I HAVE A VERY, VERY LITTLE BIT TO SAY AND THAT IS, UM, I DON'T SEE THIS AS SPRAWL BECAUSE WE'RE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING. WE [04:30:01] CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING ON ALL THAT HUGE SWATH OF LAND. AND I, I, I CERTAINLY WOULD BE SOMEONE WHO WOULD, WOULD, UM, NOT NECESSARILY BE PRO BUILDING ANOTHER RESORT, UM, UM, OUT THERE IN THIS PRISTINE, BEAUTIFUL LAND. BUT IT'S NOT OUR LAND. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD, IT IS ALL ABOUT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. AND IT IS ABOUT THE DOLLS AND IT IS ABOUT US HAVING CONTROL OVER WHAT WE NEED TO BUILD OUT THERE AS A CITY, SUCH AS THE TRANSPORTATION AND MAINTENANCE THAT GOES OUT THERE. SO, AND, AND, AND ON A, ON A SELFISH NOTE AS, AS A MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL AND THEREFORE RESPONSIBLE FOR BUDGETS AND SALES TAX MONIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHEN THAT MAINTENANCE CENTER GOES IN, IF WE'RE DOING WORK FOR OTHER PEOPLE, RIGHT, AND WE CHARGE THEM A FEE, CURRENTLY ONLY THE COUNTY WILL GET SALES TAX, WE WON'T GET ANY TAX BENEFIT, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT OUR LAND. IT'S OUR LAND, BUT IT'S NOT OUR LAND. IT'S NOT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS AND THEREFORE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO ANY KIND OF TAXATION ON THAT. UM, THERE HAS BEEN TALK SINCE BEFORE I EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT RUNNING A COUNCIL AND DEVELOPING THE DELLS. I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, LET'S PUT THE HOUSING OUT THERE WHERE WE CAN'T SEE IT. AND OH, BY THE WAY, THEY'RE NOT MEMBERS OF THE CITY 'CAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, SO THEY DON'T EVEN GET A VOICE IN CITY POLITICS. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, LOOKING TOWARDS THE FUTURE, WHERE IF WE DO DEVELOP HOUSING OUT THERE, THOSE PEOPLE ARE RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY AND THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN OUR CITY, UM, RIGHT NOW, THAT WOULD NOT BE TRUE. AND I JUST, I JUST WOULD NEVER, NEVER CONSCIENCE THAT. SO I JUST WANNA SAY I AM FOR THIS BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY ALL ABOUT MAINTENANCE. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE WATER TREATMENT AND IT'S ALL ABOUT THE DELLS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE, WHEN NONE OF US ARE ON COUNCIL ANYMORE, WE'RE ALIVE. GOING THAT FAR. 50 YEARS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS RELATIVELY YOUNG. WE WERE ONLY INCORPORATED IN 1988, SO WE'RE IN OUR THIRTIES YOUNGER THAN ALL OF US. I WISH I , BUT, UH, MY INTEREST IN IN THIS IS ACTUALLY I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES, UH, KATH, KATHY KINSELLA AND MELISSA DUNN. UH, BUT I WOULD GO FURTHER BY SAYING THAT IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE BOUNDARIES OF CAMP VERDE USED TO BE, IT WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY. NOW IT'S NOT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY. NOW THEY HAVE ANNEX LAND ALL THE WAY UP TO 60. COTTONWOOD IS ANNEXING LAND TO SPRING CREEK AND THEY'RE BUILDING, UH, HUGE DEVELOPMENT AT COVILLE ROAD IN THE FUTURE. UH, BOTH CAMP VERDE AND COTTONWOOD ARE, ARE, ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO LARGE DEVELOPMENTS. SO I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY IN OUR INTERESTS TO HAVE THIS LAND BE PART OF THE CITY AND UNDER OUR CONTROL VERSUS UNDER COTTONWOODS CONTROL. NOT THAT THEY'VE SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO THIS, BUT IT'S EASY TO ENVISION THAT THEY WOULD. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, COTTONWOOD ISN'T 15 MILES AWAY THERE RIGHT AT YOUR DOORSTEP. RIGHT AT OUR DOORSTEP. SO I I VIEW IT AS, AS A WAY TO, A WAY TO PROTECT, PRESERVE AND PREVENT ANYTHING NEGATIVE. IT'LL BE UNDER OUR CONTROL. AND I, AND I AGREE THAT IF WE DO DEVELOP THE DALLAS, I WOULD LIKE THE RESIDENTS TO BE CITY OF SEDONA RESIDENTS. BUT THAT'S A LONG WAY IN THE FUTURE. I CAN'T ADD OR DETRACT ANYTHING THAT WAS SAID HERE. UH, SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS, I THINK FOR ALL THE RIGHT REASONS. AND I PERSONALLY HAVE NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER OF BUILDING ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S LAND 'CAUSE THAT LAND IS NOT OURS. SO FOR THE DELLS, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMETIME IN THE DISTANT FUTURE, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, WE NEED THAT MAINTENANCE FACILITY AND IT DOESN'T, UH, IT'S NOT CONTIGUOUS TO YOUR LAND, BUT WE NEED THAT BUS, ELECTRIC BUS AND A VEHICLE MAINTENANCE FACILITY. UH, SO I WOULD, I AM OF COURSE SUPPORTING THIS. SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION, KATHY? UM, I'M NOT READY. OKAY. MELISSA, HOLLY, I'VE GOT, I'M GONNA HAVE IT IN A SECOND. I HAVE IT NOW. 1 6 7. ALRIGHT, SHOULD I DO IT? YES, PLEASE GO FOR IT. I MOVED TO AUTHORIZE CITY STAFF TO FILE THE BLANK ANNEXATION PETITION AND SWORE TO AFFIDAVIT WITH THE AVA PIKE COUNTY PER STATUTORY TIMELINES PUBLISHED NOTICE AND SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION ON JULY 14TH, 2024. JANUARY, JANUARY 14TH, 2024. 2025. OH, THAT'S A, THAT'S 2025. OH YEAH. HOW COME IT IT'S WRONG IN THE PACKET? [04:35:01] WRONG TYPO. SORRY. DO YOU WANT ME TO RESTATE THAT OR THAT'S THE FIRST ONE THIS YEAR? THAT'S FINE. OKAY. SO, OKAY. UH, ALL IN FAVOR? SECOND. OH, SECOND, SECOND. IT'S LATE ALREADY. OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND VICE. WHO SECOND WITH THAT? SORRY. VICE MAYOR. VICE MAYOR. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AND OPPOSED AYE. SIX TO ONE. PETE FURMAN, THE DISSENTING VOTE. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU, UH, TO OUR NEIGHBORS IN YOUR, UH, WESTERN AREA, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ANY OF THE COUNSELORS IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. DON'T BE UPSET. DON'T BE CONCERNED. CALL US. WE, OUR NUMBERS ARE LISTED. ALL OF US ARE HAPPY TO TALK TO ANYBODY THAT CALLS USUALLY CELL NUMBERS OR HOME NUMBERS. WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO THAT. DON'T GET ALL UPSET FIRST. FIRST YOU GET UPSET AFTER. YEAH, YOU CAN GET UPSET AFTER I TALK TO YOU, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU LEFT OF WITH YOUR LANGUAGE IN YOUR DOCUMENTS. IT WAS VERY VAGUE. I SO CALL. OKAY. LIKE SOME OF YOU SPOKE TO COUNCILOR FURMAN, THAT WAS A GOOD THING. THIS IS MINE. SO THANK GUYS, WE ARE NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU. REMEMBER THIS, THE . OKAY, WE TURN BACK ON. YEAH. ITEM [8.f. AB 3149 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of a Resolution declaring a housing shortage emergency exacerbated by the proliferation of Short-Term Rentals.] FAB 31 49. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION. CAN WE HAVE SOME QUIET PLEASE. WHILE WE'RE STILL CONDUCTING THE MEETING, APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION DECLARING, UH, HOUSING SHORTAGE EMERGENCY EXACERBATED BY THE PER PROLIFERATION OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. KURT. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO THIS IS, UH, PART OF, UM, THE ONGOING, UH, ISSUES WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT THE CITY IS EXPERIENCING. UM, I HAVE UP HERE, THIS MAP'S FROM APRIL. UH, THE NEW MAP SHOULD BE OUT ANY DAY NOW. IT WAS NOT READY FOR THIS MEETING UNFORTUNATELY. UM, BUT THE CURRENT NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IS 1,203 AS OF THE END OF OCTOBER. UM, DON'T HAVE NOVEMBER UH, DATA YET EITHER. AND SO THAT HAS CONTINUED TO GROW. UH, BACK WHEN THE CITY LAST DID A STUDY, UH, WE SHOWED WE WERE ABOUT 1500 HOUSING UNITS SHORT, AND THAT'S WHEN WE HAD, UM, AROUND 700 SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO ADD ANOTHER 500 TO THAT, WHERE WE GOTTA BE AROUND 2000 OR MORE, UM, HOUSING UNITS SHORT IN THE CITY. NOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOTTEN BETTER. THE CITY IS IN THE PROCESS OF DOING A LITTLE UPDATE TO THAT STUDY, UM, THAT, UH, AND THE EFFECTS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT WE HOPE TO HAVE, UM, OUT, UM, IN JANUARY. UM, BUT THE, THE REASONS AND THE IMPETUS FOR THIS BILL ARE, ARE LISTED IN THE RESOLUTION AND THE AGENDA BILL AND ALL THE, WHEREAS CLAUSES IN THERE. UM, AND SPECIFICALLY IN THE AGENDA BILL, WE TALK, UM, A LOT ABOUT EVERYTHING THE CITY'S TRYING TO DO, UH, TO STEM THE FLOW OF HOUSING TO SHORT TERM RENTALS AND, UM, HOW IT HASN'T HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS YET. AND SO THE, UH, THE CITY'S ASKING, UH, AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE AGAIN, THIS YEAR'S COUNCIL'S AUTHORIZED, UM, ANOTHER, UH, YEAR OF, YOU KNOW, CITY LOBBYISTS, UH, TO TRY TO LOBBY THE LEGISLATURE TO, TO RETURN LOCAL CONTROL TO HOUSING, UH, TO CITIES SO THAT THEY CAN REGULATE SHORT TERM RENTALS. UM, NO ONE IS TRYING TO PROHIBIT THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. UM, AT MOST, UH, THEY WOULD BE, UH, GRANDFATHERED IN THE CURRENT OPERATORS, UH, THOSE WHO HAVE PERMITS. UH, BUT THE CITY IS TRYING TO DO WHAT IT CAN. UM, I KNOW COUNCIL KNOWS THIS, BUT MAYBE FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, THE CITY'S, UM, CURRENTLY OUT TO RFP ON THE SUNSET LOFTS OF 46 UNIT AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND THE CITY HAS APPROVED THE VOWS ON SHELBY, A 30 UNIT AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT, UH, CONSTRUCTION SHOULD START ON, UH, SOON, UH, HOPEFULLY EARLY NEXT YEAR. AND THEN THERE ARE MANY, PROBABLY MANY MORE THAN 200 REALLY, UH, HOUSING UNITS AT, UH, SITES, UM, ON, WHAT WAS THE 4 0 1 JORDAN THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, HAVE TO, IF THAT GETS USED ELSEWHERE, THEN IT'LL, IT'LL BE REPLACED. UH, BUT ALSO THE CULTURAL PARK. UM, AND SO THERE'S A LOT MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS IN, IN THE WORKS. AND SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, AS EXPLAINING THE AGENDA, BILL CITIES TRYING, UH, TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FIGHTING LEGAL BATTLES WITH THE GOLDWATER INSTITUTE THAT WANTS TO TURN ALL THE MOBILE HOME PARKS INTO SHORT TERM RENTALS AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS INTO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. UH, THE CITY'S OFFERS UP TO $10,000 TO CONVERT YOUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL INTO LONG-TERM RENTAL. UM, UH, AND HAS RECENTLY EVEN APPROVED, UH, THE A DU ORDINANCE, UM, WHEN IT HAD RE RESCINDED THAT BACK IN 2016. IN LIGHT OF THE SB 1350, THE STATE LAW PREEMPTING CITIES ON SHORT-TERM RENTAL CONTROL. UH, SO, UM, IN, IN LIGHT OF ALL THAT AND WHAT'S MENTIONED IN THE RESOLUTION, UM, UH, COUNCIL'S [04:40:01] HERE TO CONSIDER WHETHER I WOULD LIKE TO DECLARE A HOUSING SHORTAGE EMERGENCY EXACERBATED BY THE PROLIFERATION OF SHORT TERM RENTALS. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS, PETE? I'M GONNA TRY AND FORM IT INTO QUESTION. IT'S A REQUEST, BUT I'M GONNA DO IT IN THE FORM OF A QUESTION. KURT. I LIKE THIS MEMO AND I LIKE THE EFFORTS THAT WE'VE PUT IN. I THINK THIS IS A, A UNIQUE, UH, APPROACH AT, AT, UH, TRYING TO CHANGE SOME OF THE RULES, UH, DOWN AT THE STATE. MY ONE CONCERN, WHICH IS, SO THE QUESTION I'LL ASK IS ABOUT THE 17.75% NUMBER. I MEAN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A FINE NUMBER, BUT IT'S, IT'S REALLY ARTIFICIALLY LOW FOR THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND IF WE DID A CALCULATION THAT ELIMINATED THEM, THAT NUMBER MIGHT BE UPWARDS OF 40%. AND THAT IS A MUCH MORE POTENTIALLY INFLUENTIAL NUMBER WITH OUR STATE LEGISLATORS THAN 17.75. NOW, I'M GONNA BE A TWO-HANDED COUNCIL MEMBER AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT. I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT NOT WANTING TO DIVERT STAFF FROM THEIR BOARD OF DUTIES AND TO DO THIS WORK. IT WOULD TAKE SOME WORK BY STAFF, BUT NONETHELESS, THIS IS, THIS WILL BE A FOUNDATION DOCUMENT PERHAPS THAT'S REFERENCED LOTS OF TIMES OVER. AND I JUST THINK THAT WE COULD LEGITIMATELY TALK ABOUT A MUCH BIGGER NUMBER THAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE. COUNCIL. YEAH. COUNCILLOR, ER, I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THE MAP THAT THE, THE NEWER, UM, FREQUENTLY MORE WEALTHY, UM, HOAS, UH, ARE ABLE TO EITHER BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVING THEIR BYLAWS AND OR HAVE THE ABILITY TO AFFORD, ARE ABLE TO KEEP OUT SHORT-TERM ADULTS FROM THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND SO THEY'VE, THEY'RE PUSHED INTO THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS WHOSE HOAS DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO FIGHT IT, DIDN'T HAVE IT ON THE BOOKS. UM, MANY OF THE HOAS WENT DEFUNCT 'CAUSE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR ANNUAL DUES WERE 30 BUCKS A YEAR. AND THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TO FUND ANY LOSS. IT'S NOT EVEN FUN ENOUGH TO PAY FOR INSURANCE ON YOUR BOARD, UM, YOUR HOA BOARD MEMBERS WHEN THEY GET SUED, AND THEN NO ONE WILL INSURE YOU ANYMORE. UM, SO YES, I, I THINK YOU'RE ACTUALLY RIGHT. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, I, I AGREE WITH YOU AND I ACTUALLY THINK THE CITY'S GIS ANALYST COULD PROBABLY DO THAT QUICKER THAN WE THINK. AND, UM, SO WE'LL SEND IT OVER TO, TO THE IT DEPARTMENT, UM, WITH THAT REQUEST AND SEE WHAT THEY COULD DO. SO, UH, IF YOU RECALL, HE WAS THE ONE THAT HE WAS ABLE TO FIGURE OUT. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS FOR, BUT WE RECENTLY FIGURED OUT THAT WE HAVE AROUND 900 VACANT RESIDENTIAL LOTS LEFT IN THE WHOLE CITY. UM, SO, AND THAT SEEMED TO NOT TAKE VERY LONG, SO IT MIGHT, WITH THE COMPUTERS MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE LESS TIME THAN WE THINK. THANK YOU MAYOR. KATHY? UH, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. GAR, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? BRIAN, MELISSA, HOLLY, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS EITHER. SO THAT BEING SAID, I'LL OPEN UP TO THE, FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, WE HAVE JOHN KIRSCHNER, ARE YOU STILL HERE? I'M OKAY. YOU WANNA STEP UP, PLEASE? CAN I, YEAH, SURE. YOU HAVE TO BE ON A MICROPHONE SO PEOPLE IN TIVA LINK CAN HEAR YOU. OH, I GOT THAT. I JUST DIDN'T WANNA GO FIRST. OKAY, , WELL, YOU'RE NUMBER ONE. PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENT. MY NAME'S JOHN KIRSCHNER. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF SEDONA FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS NOW. UM, I MOVED HERE, UH, AND I WAS LIVING IN THE, UH, BACK OF A TOYOTA TRUCK. UM, I WORKED REALLY HARD, STARTED A BUSINESS THAT FLOURISHED, AND IN 2008 I STARTED BUYING REAL ESTATE AND IT'S BEEN VERY GOOD TO ME. UM, AND I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO SEE THIS WHOLE THING THAT YOU GUYS WROTE IS SO BIASED AGAINST SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND I JUST WANTED TO SEE SOME HONESTY BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME GOOD POINTS TO IT. I'M ONE OF 'EM, I RAISED MY FAMILY HERE. I'VE GOT TWO CHILDREN. I SUPPORT MY WIFE AND CHILDREN WITH MONEY THAT I MAKE FROM, FROM DOING RENTALS. UM, NOW I'VE TAKEN A DIFFERENT STANCE. UH, WE MADE, MY WIFE AND I MADE A SOCIAL DECISION TO CREATE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OUR PORTFOLIO INTO LONG-TERM AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND WE DO THAT. UM, AND IT'S HARD TO DO THAT TOO. SO I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW THIS. I LISTED A PROPERTY FOR RENT, UTILITIES INCLUDED FOR MARKET PRICE FROM WHAT I COULD SEE ON FACEBOOK. AND I GOT NOTHING BUT HATE COMMENTS. UM, I WAS REALLY SURPRISED THAT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT [04:45:01] WAS COMMENTING ON THERE WAS SCOTT JAB LOW, AND I WAS REALLY TAKEN BACK BY THAT, AND HE WAS QUESTIONING MY PRICING AND ALL THESE THINGS. YOU KNOW, I PRICED IT SO THAT PEOPLE COULD COME AT ME WITH SOME OTHER NEGOTIATIONS OR WHATEVER. I'M A REALLY FAIR PERSON. UM, SO EVEN WHEN YOU PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO SOME OF THESE PEOPLE, ALL YOU GET IS A BUNCH OF COMPLAINTS. UM, UH, THE OTHER THING IS PEOPLE ARE GOING AFTER SHORT TERM RENTALS AS IF IT'S LIKE THE BOOGEYMAN. AND MOST OF THESE COMPLAINTS ARE THEORETICAL, IMAGINARY THINGS THAT ARE THE BOOGEYMAN LIVING UNDER THE BED THAT NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPEN. AND I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO OPEN THEIR EYES TO THE ACTUAL FACTS OF WHAT THINGS ARE. UM, EVERYONE THAT I KNOW THAT MOVES TO THIS TOWN THAT NEEDS TO FIND A RENTAL, IF THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE, I'VE NEVER HAD ANYBODY THAT I'VE MET AND KNOWN THAT HASN'T FOUND A PLACE TO LIVE. UM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S NOT PROBLEMS WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BUT IT DOES AFFORD PEOPLE LIKE ME TO LIVE HERE COMFORTABLY. UM, AND THEN ALSO IN MY COMPANY, I HAD A LANDSCAPE DESIGN BUILD COMPANY HERE, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY HOMES I LANDSCAPE FOR PEOPLE THAT THOSE HOMES SIT VACANT FOR MOST OF THE YEAR. AND WHAT ABOUT THAT PROBLEM THAT PEOPLE JUST OWN THESE HOMES THAT SIT UNUSED? UM, I MEAN, I, I CAN, I COULD TELL YOU THE ADDRESS ON 10 OF THOSE HOMES RIGHT NOW. UM, AND, BUT EVERYONE IS JUST FOCUSED ON SHORT TERM RENTALS, AND IF YOU FOCUS ON SOME OTHER POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS, YOU MAY START FIXING THE PROBLEM. THANK YOU. SO ANYWAYS, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. OKAY, UH, MARY PAT, UH, SWAT WOTLEY. OKAY. WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY THOMAS SBY. MARY PAT STARTS WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENT. HI, I'M MARY PAT SWARTLEY. I LIVE IN WEST SEDONA. I MOVED TO SNOWY COLORADO BACK IN 1980, AN AREA KNOWN FOR SKIING AND SUMMER ACTIVITIES. SUMMIT COUNTY IS A TOURIST AREA, JUST LIKE SEDONA. IT'S ABOUT A HALF HOUR TO VEIL AND 1.5 HOURS TO ASPEN. EVEN IN THE 1980S WHEN I MOVED THERE, AFFORDABLE WORKHOUSE HOUSING WAS AN ISSUE THEN AND CONTINUES TO THIS DAY. WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT OTHER AREAS LIKE WILLIAMSBURG, MOAB, MYRTLE BEACH, EVEN BRANSON, OH, UH, MISSOURI. AND THEY ALL HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUES. THE POINT IS, IS, IS THAT SEDONA IS A, IS A TOURIST AREA. ANY TOURIST AREA HAS THIS PROBLEM. AND THEY STARTED WAY BEFORE A SHORT TERM RENTAL WAS A THING WHEN I LIVED IN COLORADO. I, I WISH I HAD LIVED CLOSER TO MY WORK, BUT I COULDN'T AFFORD IT. AND EVEN MANAGERS WHO HAD HIGH PAYING POSITIONS HAD TO LIVE DOWN VALLEY BECAUSE HOUSING IN THAT AREA WAS TOO EXPENSIVE AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS. IN YOUR PACKET ON PAGE 1 54, IT STATES, SEDONA COUNCIL IN 2012 DECLARED A SHORTAGE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING EXISTS. SHORT TERM RENTALS DIDN'T START IN SEDONA UNTIL 2017, FIVE YEARS AFTER THAT DECLARATION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, IT'S BEEN ALMOST 13 YEARS AGO AGO NOW. AND WHAT HAS THE CITY DONE? IT SEEMS THAT EVERY TIME I TURN AROUND, I GET BLAMED FOR THE TRAFFIC, FOR THE GARBAGE, FOR THE NOISE, FOR THE HOUSING SHORTAGES, FOR COST, EVERYTHING. WHY DOESN'T THE CITY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? OKAY, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING SOME PLACES, GREAT, BUT HOW ABOUT TRANSPORTATION? WHY DON'T WE MAKE A PLAN WITH THAT? NOT JUST TO THE TRAIL HEADS, BUT HOW ABOUT ALL OVER THE CITY AND POSSIBLY DOWN VALLEY? FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S LOOK AT ASPEN'S TRANSPORTATION. THEY, THEY TRANSPORT SERVICE WORKERS AND EVEN VICE PRESIDENTS OF DEPARTMENTS THERE HAVE TO LIVE DOWN VALLEY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T LIVE IN ASPEN. THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS BECAUSE IT'S TOO, TOO EXPENSIVE. BY ELIMINATING THIS, BY THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL, AND THAT IS SET BEFORE US TONIGHT, IT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE HOUSING PROBLEM. IT'S NOT GONNA SOLVE THE RENT PROBLEM. RENTERS GO IN AND OUT OF NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY HAVE PARTIES AND THEY HAVE TRASH PROBLEMS TOO. HOW DO I KNOW THIS? I, I HAVE BEEN A LONG-TERM LANDLORD FOR 35 YEARS BEFORE I MOVED HERE, AND I COULD TELL YOU STORIES THAT WOULD MAKE YOUR HEAD SPEND. I STARTED MY SHORT TERM RENTAL IN 2017. I'VE HAD AMAZING GUESTS. I'VE TAKE CARE OF MY PROPERTY AND I DON'T FEEL IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOST TO FIX THE PROBLEM THAT HAS LONG EXISTED IN THIS CITY. THE CITY NEEDS TO BROADEN THEIR FOCUS, [04:50:01] DEAL WITH WHAT IS, WHAT IS, AND INSTEAD OF DECIMATING THE LIVELIHOOD OF YOUR CONTIN AND FELLOW PROPERTY OWNERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNSEL. CAMERON WILD WILL BE FOLLOW. WAIT A MINUTE, HOLD ON. NO, THOMAS, THOMAS WBE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY TOM. UH, CAMERON WILD. SORRY, YOU'RE UP NEXT. YEP, YOU'RE ON DECK. YOU'RE ON DECK, THOMAS. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UH, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. UH, THOMAS WBE, SEDONA COUNTY SINCE 96. UH, GREW UP HERE, BIG PARK SCHOOL AND, UH, THIS THE RED ROCK HIGH. UM, SO I'VE ADAPTED TO THE, THE CHANGE OVER THE, THE PAST 30 OR SO YEARS. UM, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT AND, AND UH, PERSPECTIVE, UH, MY FAMILY, WE STARTED A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY IN 2018. BEGAN TAKING ON, UH, FAMILY, FRIENDS, UH, HOUSES TO HELP OUT. UM, I'VE, UH, BEEN AROUND VICARIOUSLY FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS, BUT JUST RECENTLY CAME BACK. I'M LIVING IN FLAGSTAFF NOW, ADAPTING TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES, UM, PUTTING TOGETHER A, UH, BUSINESS FOR MARKETING. AND PART OF THE INTENTION FOR MARKETING IS TO PROVIDE EACH OF THE HOMES THEIR OWN LANDING PAGES, THEIR OWN SPACES THAT CAN BE USED AS A PLATFORM FOR SMALL BUSINESS CONNECTIONS. UH, ALL THE LOCAL PRACTITIONERS, REALLY THE HEART AND CULTURE OF THIS TOWN WHERE THERE'S SO MUCH VALUE IN THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE INDUSTRY ITSELF, IT REALLY IS THIS UNIQUE EXPRESSION THAT PEOPLE GET TO EXPERIENCE. IT'S A BETTER STAY. PEOPLE COME TO VACATION RENTALS BECAUSE THEY WANT A BETTER EXPERIENCE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S CONNECTING WITH ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HERE, THAT DON'T HAVE THE EXPOSURE TO REALLY, UM, YEAH, UH, CONNECT TO SOME OF THESE LARGER CENTRALIZED ENTITIES THAT EXIST. BASICALLY, IF WE SHUT OUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS, AND IT'S THE HOTEL INDUSTRY, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE THING ALSO GIVING PERSPECTIVE IS THE, UH, MACROECONOMIC SITUATION. BASICALLY THERE IS A BOOM BECAUSE OF THE MONEY PRINTING HAPPENED IN 2020 AND EVERYONE BOUGHT HOMES THINKING THAT THEY COULD MAKE A BUSINESS OUT OF IT. NOW THERE'S TIGHTENING AND A LOT OF THESE HOMES ARE FORECLOSING, SO WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA SEE A LOT MORE HOMES PURCHASED. I'VE ALSO MANAGED HOMES IN, UH, MOUNT SHASTA, CALIFORNIA IN SUN VALLEY, IDAHO, AND I'VE BEEN ACTIVE PARTICIPATING IN THEIR CITY COUNCILS, AND I'LL GIVE YOU SOME ADVICE THERE, OR JUST PERSPECTIVE. SO MOUNT SHASTA, THEY, UH, BASICALLY HAD A MORATORIUM AND NOW THEY RESTRICT THE AMOUNT OF BUSINESS LICENSES THAT THEY GRANT. THAT'S A, THAT'S A POSSIBLE SOLUTION. SUN VALLEY, IDAHO, THEY HAVE A REAL CRISIS. UH, THEY'RE LANDLOCKED. UM, THEY DON'T HAVE NEIGHBORING TOWNS. THE CLOSEST IS TWO HOURS, UH, THAT PEOPLE COMMUTE IN. MOST PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY LIVING IN THE CITY PARK. SO WHAT THEY DID IS THEY HAD TO REZONE, UH, THEIR PUBLIC LAND USE TO ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE TO CAMP, UH, IN, IN THESE PUBLIC SPACES. SO, SO THAT'S A REAL, THAT'S A REAL SOLUTION. I KNOW WE HAVE THE, UM, THE, UH, EVENT CENTER HERE THAT A SIMILAR THING HAS HAPPENED. UM, BUT YEAH, JUST, JUST TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, PUT INTO CONTEXT THAT THIS INDUSTRY IS NOVEL. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S SO MUCH INNOVATION AND POTENTIAL TO REALLY HELP OUT AND TO HAVE THIS SORT OF BEAUTIFUL, ORGANIC KIND OF ECOSYSTEM THAT, THAT DERIVES FROM IT AND CONNECT IN WAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK AT THE, THE DIRECTION OF THE WORLD AND THIS COUNTRY IS GOING, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO, YOU KNOW, SEE WHERE WE CAN IMPROVE. AND I THINK ECONOMIC DISPARITY IS ONE OF THE LARGEST PROBLEMS. THERE'S THE EMPTY HOMES, THE, THE MAJOR HOMES, AND IF PEOPLE JUST HAVE A RENTING OUT A, A ROOM OR TWO, UH, THAT'S A BIG HELP. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. THOMAS CAMERON NAMAN, OF COURSE, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND YOU'LL BE ON DECK AS, UH, LISA, UH, SA SAVER SEAVER. UH, MY NAME IS CAMERON WILD. I LIVE IN WEST SEDONA. I'M A REALTOR AND OWNER OF A VACATION RENTAL MANAGEMENT COMPANY WITH OVER 40 PROPERTIES UNDER MANAGEMENT HERE IN SEDONA. UH, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT WE HAVE A WORKFORCE HOUSING CRISIS, AND I'M AS DISAPPOINTED AS YOU ARE. THE, THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK INITIATIVE, UM, WAS REJECTED BY VOTERS. HOWEVER, THE RESOLUTION DISCUSSED TODAY MAKES THE UNSUPPORTED CLAIM THAT THE CORRELATION BETWEEN RISING STR NUMBERS AND RISING HOUSE COSTS, UH, PROVES CAUSATION, OR THAT 500 MORE SDRS SOMEHOW MEANS 500 FEWER WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS. UH, THE LACK OF WORKFORCE HOUSING IN SEDONA PREDATED STR BY WELL OVER A DECADE. IN 2004, THE MEDIAN HOME SALE PRICE IN SEDONA WAS ALREADY $417,000, WHICH ACCOUNTING FOR INFLATION IS 711,000 IN TODAY'S MONEY, UH, BECAUSE HOUSING APPRECIATION HAS OUTPACED INFLATION FOR DECADES ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL, THE MEDIAN SINGLE FAMILY HOME PRICE IN SEDONA IS NOW $1,081,000. SEDONAS MEDIAN HOME BUYER WOULD NEED AN ANNUAL INCOME OF AT LEAST 152,000 TO QUALIFY FOR A LOAN. NEVERMIND THAT THIS BUYER WOULD PROBABLY NEVER MANAGE TO SAVE UP FOR THE LEGAL LEAVE REQUIRED 20% DOWN PAYMENT OF $216,000. OUR MEDIAN HOME VALUE [04:55:01] IS MORE THAN FIVE TIMES WHAT AN AVERAGE MEMBER OF OUR WORKFORCE COULD AFFORD. SOMEONE MAKING 60,000 A YEAR CAN ONLY AFFORD A $290,000 HOUSE WITH A 5% DOWN PAYMENT. THE HOMES WE MANAGE ARE FAR FROM MEETING THIS CRITERIA, GIVING SEDONA THE ABILITY TO REGULATE THE NUMBER OF WOULD NOT SLASH HOME VALUES ANYWHERE CLOSE TO ONE FIFTH OF THEIR CURRENT PRICES. THAT WOULD REQUIRE A TOTAL COLLAPSE OF OUR HOUSING MARKET. THE GREAT RECESSION WOULD BE A TINY BLIP IN COMPARISON, AND THERE WOULD BE ZERO TOURISM TO SUPPORT OUR WORKFORCE. AND ALL OF THIS WOULD BE A MOOT POINT. IF STR AREN'T DRIVING HOUSING COSTS, THEN WHAT IS WELL BUILDING COSTS HAVE INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THE LAST 50 YEARS, PARTICULARLY IN THE LAST DECADE. AT THE SAME TIME, WAGES HAVEN'T EVEN KEPT PACE WITH INFLATION. THE CITY'S WORKFORCE HOUSING PROPOSALS ILLUSTRATE THE ROOT OF THE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY CRISIS. AS NOTED IN THE RESOLUTION, EACH APARTMENT COSTS OVER $300,000 TO BUILD BEFORE YOU EVEN ACCOUNT FOR THE LAND COSTS TO PURCHASE OR RENT. ONE OF THE MOST AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS WE CAN POSSIBLY BUILD, SOMEONE MUST BE MAKING WELL OVER $60,000 A YEAR. HOUSING PRICES ARE NOT DIRECTLY TIED TO BUILDING COSTS. HOWEVER, BUILDING COSTS ARE NOT RELATED TO THE NUMBER OF S I'M SORRY. HOUSING PRICES ARE DIRECTLY TIED TO BUILDING COSTS. HOWEVER, BUILDING COSTS ARE NOT RELATED TO THE NUMBER OF STR. SO THIS CALLS INTO QUESTION. THE RESOLUTIONS CLAIM THAT STR HAVE A OVERSIZED IMPACT ON HOUSING PRICES. THE RESOLUTION ALSO STOKES THE FEAR THAT STR WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE OVER OUR HOUSING SUPPLY. HOWEVER, THE NUMBER OF S STR HAVE REMAINED NEARLY STAGNANT FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, AS WE JUST SAW A MOMENT AGO. THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT THIS NUMBER WILL INCREASE EXPONENTIALLY. FINALLY, WE HAVE NO HARD DATA ON OTHER IMPORTANT METRICS. FOR EXAMPLE, HOW MANY SDRS HISTORICALLY SAT EMPTY AS SECOND HOMES MOST OF THE YEAR, BUT ARE NOW RENTED WHEN THEIR OWNERS ARE NOT VISITING. THAT DESCRIBES THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE MANAGE. I URGE THE COUNCIL AND HOUSING DEPARTMENT TO RECONSIDER THEIR POSITION ON THIS RESOLUTION AND LEAD A MORE PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION AROUND WORKFORCE HOUSING. THANK YOU, CAMERON. OKAY. UH, LISA WILL BE FOLLOWED BY KIM NER EGGER. KIM, ARE YOU HERE? YES. OKAY. MY NAME IS ELISA SEAVER AND I LIVE IN COTTONWOOD AND SCOTTSDALE. I LEAD THE NORTHERN ARIZONA AIRBNB HOST COMMUNITY REPRESENTING NEARLY 900 SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOSTS ACROSS THE AREA. A LARGE PORTION OF WHOM LIVE OR OWN PROPERTY IN SEDONA. I'M THE OWNER OF HIGH DESERT HOSTING, A CO-HOSTING AND HOST COACHING BUSINESS FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL OWNERS, AND I'M ALSO A REALTOR. WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES POSED BY SEDONAS AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHORTAGE, BUT STR ARE NOT TO BLAME FOR THIS SITUATION. SEDONA MUST MEANINGFULLY ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSES OF HOUSING AND ACCESSIBILITY TO MAKE ANY HEADWAY AGAINST THE ISSUE. HISTORY SHOWS THAT SHORT TERM RENTAL BANS AND OVER REGULATIONS ARE NOT EFFECTIVE SOLUTIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISES IN SOUTH LAKE TAHOE, CALIFORNIA, AND HONOLULU, HAWAII BANS RESULTED IN MINIMAL IMPROVEMENTS TO HOUSING AFFORDABILITY CAUSED SIGNIFICANT HARM TO LOCAL ECONOMIES. IN LOS ANGELES REGULATIONS AIMED AT LIMITING STR REDUCED LONG-TERM RENTS BY ONLY 2%. TOURISM DEPENDENT BUSINESSES SUFFERED AND PROPERTY OWNERS PARTICULARLY SMALL LOCAL HOSTS, LIKE MANY OF US HERE IN THIS EVENING, WERE HIT HARDEST. WHILE LARGE CORPORATE OPERA OPERATORS OFTEN EXPLOITED LOOPHOLES TO CONTINUE THEIR OPERATIONS. HOUSING MARKETS IN THESE CITIES SAW LITTLE BENEFIT AS THE UNDERLYING ISSUES OF AFFORDABILITY AND AVAILABILITY WERE NOT ADDRESSED. SEDONA HAS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED MEASURES TO MANAGE STR, INCLUDING A REGISTRATION SYSTEM TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH LOCAL REGULATIONS. THIS PROACTIVE APPROACH SHOULD BE VIEWED AS A FOUNDATION FOR BALANCING OVERSIGHT WITHOUT JEOPARDIZING THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS STR BRING, INCLUDING GENERATING APPROXIMATELY 30% OF THE CITY'S LODGING TAX REVENUE. RATHER THAN PLACE THE BLAME SQUARELY ON STR, I URGE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER ALTERNATE STRATEGIES THAT MORE DIRECTLY ADDRESS THE UNDERLYING HOUSING CONCERNS, SUCH AS IMPLEMENTING FOCUSED ZONING MEASURES TO GUIDE STR DENSITY, WHILE MAINTAINING PROPERTY RIGHTS, COLLABORATING WITH DEVELOPERS AND LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS TO BUILD DEDICATED WORKFORCE HOUSING, DIRECTING A PORTION OF SCR TAX REVENUE TOWARD AFFORDABLE HOUSING INITIATIVES, ALLOWING TOURISM TO HELP FUND A SOLUTION. IN CONCLUSION, I'D SAY LET'S BUILD ON THE SYSTEMS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE, EXPLORE CREATIVE SUSTAINABLE HOUSING SOLUTIONS AND ENSURE SEDONA CONTINUES TO BE A PLACE WHERE BOTH RESIDENTS AND VISITORS CAN PEACEFULLY CO COEXIST. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. KIM WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JASMINE. EDGAR, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL AND FELLOW CONSTITUENTS. AND THANK YOU TO MY PEERS FOR PRESENTING THIS EVENING. MY NAME IS KIM EGAR. I'M A PROUD OWNER OPERATOR OF SHORT TERM RENTALS. IN WHERE DO YOU LIVE, SEDONA? WHERE DO IN [05:00:01] YAVAPAI COUNTY AND I AND I AM A PROUD OWNER OPERATOR OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN SEDONA AND RESIDE IN YAVAPAI COUNTY. I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THE RESOLUTION THAT CLAIMS THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF SEDONAS HOUSING SHORTAGE, AS THE ISSUE IS MUCH MORE COMPLEX THAN IT'S BEEN PRESENTED WITHIN THE RESOLUTION AB 31 49 COUNCIL. SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE BEING BLAMED FOR HOUSING SHORTAGES, BUT THE REAL REALITY IS THAT OTHER FACTORS PLAY A MUCH LARGER ROLE. SEDONAS GEOGRAPHY AND ZONING RESTRICTIONS SIGNIFICANTLY LIMIT THE AVAILABILITY OF LAND FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS. RISING CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND LABOR SHORTAGES HAVE SLOWED DOWN HOUSING CREATION. VACATION HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN CONVERTED INTO SHORT-TERM RENTALS OFTEN WOULDN'T BE USED FOR LONG-TERM HOUSING ANYWAYS AS THEY WERE PURCHASED FOR RECREATIONAL USE AND ABOVE THE AVERAGE MEDIUM INCOME FOR PURCHASE, BLAMING SHORT TERM'S RENTALS, OVERSIMPLIFIES THE PROBLEM AND DISTRACTS FROM ADDRESSING THESE REAL SYSTEMATIC CHALLENGES. WE NEED SOLUTIONS THAT ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSES OF THE HOUSING CRISIS, LIKE INCENTIVIZING AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, STREAMLINING PERMITS, AND SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MAKES BUILDING MORE FEASIBLE. TRACKING THESE ISSUES WILL BE FAR GREATER IMPACT THAN PLACING POTENTIALLY UNNECESSARY RESTRICTIONS ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WHICH COULD POSE A SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER DETRIMENT TO THE FISCAL HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF OUR COMMUNITY. I LOVE SEDONA AND I LOVE EVERYTHING THAT IT OFFERS TO ITS RESIDENTS AND TO ITS TOURISTS ALIKE. I ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO COME TOGETHER WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL COMMUNITY SO THAT WE MAY CO-CREATE COMPREHENSIVE SOLUTIONS THAT TRULY BENEFIT THE SEDONAS RESIDENTS WHILE PRESERVING THE SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC CONTRIBUTIONS THAT SHOULD THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS PROVIDE TO OUR COMMUNITY. I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE FORM A COALITION AND SOLVE THIS ISSUE TOGETHER, AND IT HAPPILY BE YOUR VERY FIRST VOLUNTEER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, KIM. JASMINE, WE'LL BE UP NEXT, BE FOLLOWED BY JONATHAN WICKS, WHO WAS THE LAST CARD. IF ANYBODY ELSE WISHES TO OPINE ON THIS, YOU NEED TO FILL OUT A CARD FIRST BEFORE, UH, JOHN, AT LEAST BY THE TIME JONATHAN, UH, COMPLETES SPEAKING. JASMINE. GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL. MY NAME IS JASMINE EGGER AND I LIVE IN Y YAVAPAI COUNTY AND I MANAGE SEVERAL SHORT-TERM RENTALS HERE IN SEDONA. I HAVE FIRSTHAND SEEN HOW THEY CAN COEXIST WITH THE COMMUNITY WHILE PROVIDING SIGNIFICANT BENEFITS. I WANNA FIRST POINT OUT THAT NOT ALL SHORT-TERM RENTALS COULD BE CONVERTED INTO LONG-TERM HOUSING. MANY ARE SECOND HOMES OR PROPERTIES AND AREAS NOT SUITED FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCE. REMOVING THESE PROPERTIES FROM THE RENTAL POOL WOULDN'T MAGICALLY SOLVE THE HOUSING SHORTAGE. COUNCIL SHORT TERM RENTALS PLAY AN ESSENTIAL ROLE IN SEDONAS ECONOMY. FOR EXAMPLE, THEY SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES BY BRINGING TOURISTS WHO SHOP, DINE, AND SPEND MONEY. HERE. THEY PROVIDE INCOME FOR PROPERTY OWNERS, MANY OF WHOM ARE RESIDENTS WHO USE THIS TO MAINTAIN THEIR HOMES OR EVEN FUND THEIR OWN HOUSING. THEY CREATE JOBS FOR CLEANERS, LANDSCAPERS AND MAINTENANCE WORKERS, LOCAL JOBS THAT KEEPS IT ON A THRIVING. INSTEAD OF LIMITING SHORT-TERM RENTALS, LET'S FOCUS ON REAL SOLUTIONS, SUCH AS PROVIDING INCENTIVES FOR DEVELOPERS TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ENCOURAGING PROGRAMS THAT HELP LOCAL WORKERS ACCESS HOUSING AND MAKING THE ZONING AND PERMITTING PROCESS EASIER FOR MORE DEVELOPMENT. I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY AND I WANT TO SEE US WORK TOWARD SOLUTIONS THAT ADDRESS THE TRUE CAUSES OF THE HOUSING SHORTAGE WITHOUT UNDERMINING THE BENEFITS THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS BRING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY, THANK YOU. JONATHAN WICKS IS THE LAST SPEAKER. YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. MY NAME IS JONATHAN WICKS AND I'M A RESIDENT OF SCOTTSDALE. I OWN AN ARIZONA BASED SERVICING COMPANY THAT PROVIDES ESSENTIAL IN-HOME SERVICES FOR VACATION RENTALS ACROSS OUR STATE. AND I HAVE A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE TO THE LANDSCAPE OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS A WHOLE. BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT I I AND MY COMPANY DO, I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE THIS COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, THAT PERSPECTIVE AND AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN SEDONA AND STATEWIDE IN REGARD TO THE NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I UNDERSTAND THAT BASED ON THE RISE OF RENTALS IN AND AFTER COVID, THERE IS A FEELING AMONG RESIDENTS THAT THE WAVE OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IS EVER INCREASING. BUT I CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE, THE WAVE HAS CRUSTED. I'M PRIVY TO FIRSTHAND INSIGHT ON THIS, AND I BELIEVE IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE DISCUSSION WHETHER OPERATORS ARE INCENTIVIZED [05:05:01] BY $10,000 OR NOT. THE MARKET AND NUMBER OF RENTALS ITSELF IS CAUSING THE FOLKS TO TRANSITION HOMES TO MID OR LONG TERM, OR THEY'RE SELLING THE HOMES AS A WHOLE. MANY OPERATORS DID RUSH INTO WHAT THEY DEEMED AS A GOLD RUSH. UH, LIKE ANY INDUSTRY, THOUGH, THE MARKET IS CAUSING A CORRECTION AND THAT IS RESULTING IN MANY, MANY HOMES BEING SHIFTED AWAY FROM THE VACATION RENTAL CATEGORY. SIMPLY PUT, I BELIEVE THAT WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL MEASURES, THE PERCENTAGE OF SHORT TERM RENTALS WILL DECREASE IN THE FOLLOWING YEARS. ADDITIONALLY, THE OPERATORS THAT WILL BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT DECREASE, THEY ARE AMONG THE BEST VACATION RENTAL HOSTS YOU'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF THEM TONIGHT. THESE ARE THE OPERATORS WHO UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF GOOD PROCESSES AND TRUE HOSPITALITY THAT RESULTS IN WINS FOR THE VISITORS OF SEDONA AND THIS COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. THE SHORT TERM RENTAL GOLD RUSH IS OVER EXTREME MEASURES LIKE THE ONE PRESENTED TONIGHT. THEY'RE SIMPLY NOT NEEDED AND THEY CERTAINLY AREN'T HELPFUL TO THE CHALLENGES OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I ENCOURAGE THIS COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY TO CONTINUE TO REGULATE VACATION RENTALS WITH EXCELLENCE WITHIN THE EXISTING FRAMEWORK. THERE ARE SOLUTIONS TO BE FOUND AND WINS TO BE HAD. I HOPE THIS PERSPECTIVE HELPS US FIND THEM. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS MEETING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR FINAL COMMENTS. DEREK, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY UP HERE ON THE DIOCESE IS TRYING TO BLAME SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR IN, IN, IN ITS ENTIRETY FOR OUR HOUSING CRISIS. UH, HOUSING HAS BEEN AN ISSUE IN SEDONA, UH, WHEN I MOVED HERE, WHICH WAS BEFORE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, UH, BOOM OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT WAS, WHATEVER SB WHATEVER THE 13 50, 13 50, WHATEVER THE STATE LEGISLATURE DID TO US. UM, BUT THEY'RE A FACTOR AND THEY'VE EXACERBATED AND ALREADY DIFFICULT SITUATION. THEY'VE MADE IT WORSE. ARE THEY THE ONLY CULPRIT? NO, BUT THEY WERE SOMETHING THAT WE, UNTIL SB 1350, WE HAD THE ABILITY TO REGULATE AND WE COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, WE CAN'T DO THING A LOT ABOUT CONSTRUCTION COSTS. WE CAN'T DO A LOT ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT AFFECT HOUSING PRICES OR HOUSING AVAILABILITY, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE ABLE TO CONTROL, WHICH WE ARE NO LONGER ABLE TO CONTROL. UM, ASIDE FROM THE HOUSING ISSUE, UM, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS I SPEAK TO WHO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE USED TO HAVE NEIGHBORS. NOW WE DON'T HAVE NEIGHBORS NOW. NOW WE HAVE AIRBNBS. UH, AND A LOT OF TIMES EVEN IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SPECIFICALLY RESTRICT AGAINST AIRBNBS, THEY'RE STILL STUCK WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO KEEP 'EM OUT. UH, THERE ARE PLENTY OF GREAT AIRBNB OPERATORS OUT THERE, BUT THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF 'EM THAT JUST SAY, HEY, TOUGH. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO STOP ME FROM DOING IT, I'M GONNA DO IT. UH, AND FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE I TALK TO, THEY'RE TIRED OF THAT. I DIDN'T MOVE TO SEDONA SO THAT I COULD LIVE NEXT TO A RESORT NO MATTER HOW WELL RUN IT IS. I MOVED IN, I WANNA HAVE NEIGHBORS AND I WANNA LIVE IN A COMMUNITY. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN A, YOU KNOW, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S 50% RESORT. SO WHILE I RESPECT THE FACT THAT MANY OF YOU MAKE YOUR LIVING FOR THIS, IT, IT'S NOT WHAT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE FOR. SO I DON'T BLAME THE SHORT TERM RENTAL INDUSTRY FOR ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS RESOLUTION DOES. I THINK WHAT THIS RESOLUTION IS SAYING TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS, LOOK, YOU KNOW, THE CONTROL BELONGS HERE. YOU SHOULD RETURN IT TO US SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. UH, EXISTING OPERATORS ARE GONNA GET GRANDFATHERED. NOBODY'S GONNA BE PUTTING YOU FOLKS ON A BUSINESS, BUT THE REALITY IS IT'S A PROBLEM AND WE NEED TO HAVE THE POWER TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. PETE, HAVE ANYTHING CRAVE TO ADD PASS. OKAY, KATHY? YEAH, I, I WANNA CONCUR THAT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY UP HERE HAS EVER SAID THAT ALL SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE BAD AND ALL OPERATORS ARE BAD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE, UH, DONE A LOT TO WORK WITH SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS AND OPERATORS IN TERMS OF ESTABLISHING A DEPARTMENT, UH, HAVING CITY STAFF AVAILABLE TO HELP GUIDE THROUGH, UM, THE, THE RED TAPE PROCESS THAT'S REQUIRED. UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE A LOT TO IMPROVE COMMUNICATION AND I APPRECIATE WORKING TOGETHER AND APPRECIATE ALL OF THE GOOD OPERATORS THAT ARE OUT THERE. UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, WE DO HAVE A REAL PROBLEM. AND THE PROBLEM MAY IS BEFORE IT EVEN GETS INTO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL OPERATOR, THE PROBLEM IS THAT REAL ESTATE HAS, BECAUSE OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL VALUES, HAS SO SPIRALED OUT OF AFFORDABILITY [05:10:02] THAT IT'S JUST EXACERBATED THE, THE SITUATION HERE. YES, WE HAD A A, A HOUSING SHORTAGE SITUATION PRIOR TO THIS AND PRIOR TO COID. UM, BUT AT YOU, WE, WE HAVE TO DO, WE, BEING A COUNCIL, NOT SPEAKING FOR ANYBODY, BUT JUST AS A BODY, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP PRESERVE OUR COMMUNITY. UM, AGAIN, IT'S BEEN A, THE STATE LEGISLATURE HAS NOT BEEN OPEN TO HEARING SOME OF OUR PLEASE, SOME OF OUR DILEMMA, UH, SOME OF OUR SUGGESTIONS. AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE SOME ACTION THAT COULD MAYBE GET SOME MORE ATTENTION. I THINK DECLARING A HOUSING EMERGENCY IS WARRANTED. I THINK PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AS A MODEL FOR OTHER LIKE-MINDED COMMUNITIES THAT ARE HAVING ISSUES TO SAY, OH, GREAT, THERE'S SOMETHING I CAN DO. OR THERE'S LEADERSHIP HAPPENING THERE. WE STEAL IDEAS ALL THE TIME FROM, UM, OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE DOING SOMETHING. HOPEFULLY WE CAN BE SOMEBODY THAT, YOU KNOW, OTHER COMMUNITIES WOULD WANNA WORK WITH. 'CAUSE IT'S BEYOND SEDONA. NOW. WE USED TO BE THE POSTER CHILD, BUT THERE ARE MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE NOW THROUGHOUT THE STATE BECAUSE OF THE STATE LAWS THAT ARE SUFFERING. UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, WHICH IS, HAS THIS RESOLUTION BEEN DISCUSSED WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE ADVOCATE? YES. AND THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF THIS. YES. THEY FEEL THIS IS A STRATEGY THAT WILL, UM, HELP IN THEIR ARGUMENTS THAT THEY PRESENT ON OUR BEHALF. YES, THE GOVERNOR, THE AG UH, MANY DIFFERENT, UH, LEGISLATORS HAVE ASKED FOR COPIES OF IT ONCE IT'S PASSED. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, AGAIN, UH, THANKS FOR US ALL WORKING TOGETHER, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ALMOST 18% NUMBER GROWING TO 20%, GROWING TO 22%. UH, SOMETHING, SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOODS, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU'VE, YOU'VE ALL, THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE SPOKE, HAVE INTRODUCED YOURSELVES AS SAYING, I OWN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL BUSINESS. I OWN A BUSINESS THAT SERVES SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I'M A THIS, I MEAN, A LOT OF YOU HAVE SAID THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE, THIS IS A BUSINESS INTEREST PROBLEM IS THE STATE IS NOT DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN BUSINESS AND RESIDENCE. AND IT'S THE LOSS OF THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER AND COMMUNITY THAT THAT HAS HURT US. NOT THAT THERE HAVE BEEN GOOD BUSINESSES OPERATING, SO PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS AS AN ATTACK. THIS IS SOMETHING TO HOPEFULLY HELP OUR COMMUNITY STAY INTACT, WHICH IS WHAT IT MAKES SEDONA APPEALING FOR YOUR BUSINESSES AS WELL. RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS REALLY KIND OF AN EXASPERATING TOPIC, HONESTLY, GIVEN THE ENERGY THAT'S GONE INTO IT. AND, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO MANY OF THE COMMENTS, I, I JUST DISAGREE AND I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA CONVINCE YOU TO SEE THINGS MY WAY. BUT THE REALITY IS, IS PEOPLE BOUGHT HOMES HERE WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR ZONING WAS, AND THEN THE STATE LEGISLATURE UPENDED THAT AND BROKE ESSENTIALLY A PROMISE, A CONTRACT THAT PEOPLE BOUGHT REAL ESTATE ON HERE AND JUST SAID, SORRY, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE WHAT THE AIRBNB LOBBY HAD TO SAY BETTER THAN WHAT YOU BOUGHT INTO, UH, WITH YOUR RESIDENTIAL, UH, PURCHASES. IT, IT, IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL CHALLENGE TO, TO OVERCOME THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL OF YOU TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S HAVE COOPERATION. LET'S HAVE A CONSORTIUM. LET'S DO THIS, LET'S DO THAT. PART OF THE MOTIVATION BEHIND THIS, UM, THIS RESOLUTION RELATES TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE, UH, STATE LEGISLATIVE LEADERSHIP THAT REFUSES TO TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE THAT REFUSES TO LET A BILL EVEN BE ASSIGNED TO COMMITTEE TO BE CONSIDERED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. IT'S WILDLY UNDEMOCRATIC. AND SO WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE ATTENTION OF THE FOLKS DOWNSTATE AND THERE IS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR ADDRESSING THE IMPACT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. IT IS 18% OF OUR HOUSING STOCK THAT'S BEEN LOST SINCE 2017. 18% IS A BIG NUMBER. OKAY. AND SIR, YOU WERE SAYING, OH, THE, THE BOOM IS OVER. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S NOT BOOMING, OUR NUMBERS ARE STILL INCREASING. THE NUMBER OF HOMES WERE UP TO 17.75%. THAT'S MORE THAN IT WAS A YEAR AGO. SO EVEN THOUGH THE INTEREST RATES HAVE BEEN HIGH, THEY'VE BEEN HIGH FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, THEY'VE GONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT. LIKE IT'S NOT TAKING INVENTORY OUT. OKAY. SO IF THERE WAS AN EASIER WAY TO GET THERE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO THE DRAMA OF THIS RESOLUTION DECLARING A HOUSING EMERGENCY, I'D BE ALL FOR IT. BUT [05:15:01] WE'VE GOTTA GET THE ATTENTION OF LEGISLATIVE LEADERSHIP DOWNSTATE. AND THIS IS ONE WAY TO DO IT. THANK YOU, MAYOR MELISSA. SO FIRST OF ALL, LET ME REITERATE SOMETHING. COUNCILOR FOOLS JUST SAID THE INTENT OF THIS TO TRY TO GET THE INTENTION OF THE LEGISLATURE DOWN IN PHOENIX. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT ZONES, WE CAN'T DO ZONES, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, STR ZONES. THERE ARE STATES THAT DO ALLOW THAT. THERE ARE COUNTRIES LIKE CANADA THAT DO ALLOW THAT, BUT OUR STATE DOES NOT. SO WE HAVE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE NO LONGER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE A HODGEPODGE OF PART-TIME RESIDENTS. YES. YOU KEEP BRINGING UP ALL THE PART-TIME RESIDENTS. WELL, THEY DON'T RENT ROOMS IN THEIR HOMES WHEN THEY'RE NOT THERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT STRANGERS IN THEIR HOMES OR WHATEVER IT IS. THEY CHOOSE NOT TO DO THAT. IT'S THEIR PROPERTY, RIGHT? IT'S THEIR HOME. THEY WANNA BE A PART-TIME RESIDENT. SO WE HAVE HOUSES THAT ARE PART-TIME IN A, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE HOUSES THAT ARE STRS IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NEIGHBORS CHANGE EVERY WEEKEND OR THEY CHANGE EVERY WEEK. UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN THERE, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS, SOME PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN THERE 30 YEARS. BUT THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY IS NOT A SMALL TOWN COMMUNITY ANYMORE. WE, IF WE WANT IT TO BE THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE SOME ACTION. AND IT'S NOT THAT IT'S JUST GONE UP MORE THAN IT DID LAST YEAR. IT'S GONE UP MORE THAN IT DID LAST MONTH, RIGHT? SO WE SEE THE MONTHLIES AND IT GOES UP EVERY MONTH. THERE ARE MORE SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE, IN THE CITY OF SEDONA. NOT ONLY THAT, IF YOU READ THE WHOLE THING, THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT HOUSES THAT YOU'VE PURCHASED AND TURNED INTO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THIS IS ALSO ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TAKE DENTAL OFFICES AND DOCTOR'S OFFICES AND TURN THEM INTO SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THEREBY MAKING A COMMUNITY THAT ALREADY HAS A SHORTAGE OF MEDICAL STAFF THAT LIVE HERE. MAKE THAT EVEN SMALLER, MAKE THAT EVEN WORSE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE FULL TIME WHO ARE NOT VISITING HERE. YOU'VE ALSO HEARD OUR, OUR, UM, I DUNNO, I CAN'T SAY COUNSELOR NOW, CAN I, YOU'VE OFTEN HEARD OUR CITY ATTORNEY SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WANNA TAKE THE MOBILE HOME PARK THAT IS UP IN ONLEY AND THEY WANNA TURN THAT INTO AN STR PARK. NO, IT'S 1 79. SORRY, 1 79. 1 79, SORRY, 1 79. BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN POTENTIALLY TO WINDSONG AND ALL THESE OTHER PLACES WHERE THE LAND HAS BEEN PURCHASED AND THEY'RE FINDING WAYS OF MOVING THOSE PEOPLE OFF OF THAT LAW. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT GONNA HELP US FIND HOUSING THAT'S JUST GONNA CREATE MORE SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND IF THEY ARE LLCS OR THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, HILTONS OR THEY'RE WHATEVER, YEP. THEY MAY CROWD OUT INDIVIDUALS WHO OWN THESE, THESE PROPERTIES. 'CAUSE THEY CAN WAIT AND THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, FILL THEM. THEY CAN HAVE EMPTY FOR LONGER. AND I GET THAT. SO THIS ISN'T ABOUT, TO ME, THIS, THIS RESOLUTION IS NOT ABOUT TRYING TO DRIVE PEOPLE OUT OF BUSINESS BECAUSE IT WON'T DRIVE YOU OUTTA BUSINESS. YOU'LL BE GRANDFATHERED IN ALL OF YOUR, YOUR PROPERTIES. BUT IT IS TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL ON CAN WE CREATE, UM, STR ZONES. CAN WE LIMIT WHAT PEOPLE CAN TURN INTO AN STR SO THAT OUR COMMUNITY GETS TO STAY SORT OF WHOLE AND PRODUCTIVE AS A COMMUNITY FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS RESOLUTION IN CASE YOU CAN'T FIGURE THAT OUT. THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. I, I'LL BE BRIEF. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD ANECDOTALLY THAT THE MARKET IS SATURATED, THAT RATES ARE COMING DOWN THAT WE'VE STABILIZED. WELL, WE HAVEN'T, MAYBE THAT'S TRUE IN SCOTTSDALE OR MAYBE THAT'S TRUE IN THE REST OF THE STATE, BUT IT'S NOT TRUE HERE. SO AT THE SAME TIME THAT OCCUPANCY HAS GONE DOWN. SO I HAVE A FRESH REPORT IN FRONT OF ME, OCCUPANCY FROM, FROM AUGUST TO OCTOBER HAS GONE DOWN, BUT THE RATES HAVE GONE UP AND THE NUMBER OF ST HAS GONE UP. THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS. SO I HEAR YOU AND I HEAR THE ANECDOTES, BUT THE NUMBERS ARE THE NUMBERS AND UH, IT HAS JUST NOT IMPACTED SEDONA IN THE SAME WAY IT HAS IMPACTED OTHER CITIES IN THE STATE. AND IT CONTINUES TO BE VERY NEGATIVE HERE. VERY NEGATIVE OUTCOME. AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE'VE HAD A HOUSING CRISIS FOR A LONG TIME, BUT IT'S BEEN EXACERBATED UNBELIEVABLY IN THE LAST, UH, SEVERAL YEARS. SO WHEN WE HAD A HOUSING SHORTAGE OF 13 TO 1500 UNITS, NOW IT'S 2,500 UNITS. SO A THOUSAND MORE, UH, RESIDENCES [05:20:01] THAT COULD BE, UH, LONG-TERM RENTALS ARE NOT THERE ANYMORE. AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THEY'RE NOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SO IT JUST DOESN'T, IT JUST ISN'T. WE, WE HAVE THE FACTS. WE, WE KNOW WHAT THE PERMITS ARE, WE KNOW WHAT THE, THE MAP SHOWS US. AND IT JUST ISN'T WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, YOU ARE ALL GRANDFATHERED IN REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO. SO THE ONLY IMPACT IT WILL HAVE ON YOU, SHOULD WE GET CONTROL BACK, WOULD BE THE ABILITY TO BUY MORE HOUSES AND MAKE THEM MORE SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT YOUR OWN, YOUR OWN, UH, RESPONSIBILITY HERE AS WELL. AND I, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE GOOD BUSINESS PEOPLE AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE GOOD HOSTS, BUT YOU ALSO, SOME OF YOU LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, SOME OF YOU DON'T LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY. YOU ARE NEGATIVELY IMPACTING US. AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. THANK YOU. SO I SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION. SO I WANNA TAKE YOU BACK TO WHEN THIS FIRST STARTED. THE FIRST YEAR OF 1350, I WENT DOWN AND I TESTIFIED AT, AT A SUBCOMMITTEE DOWN TO STATE CAPITAL TWICE. IT WAS BEFORE COVID. AND I SPOKE TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND THE ROOM WAS FILLED EQUAL PROPERTY OWNERS WHO WANTED TO KEEP THEIR PROPERTY AND MAINTAIN IT LONG TERM, LONG-TERM HOUSE AND RESIDENCES AND PEOPLE SUCH AS YOURSELVES WHO WANT TO CONVERT THEM TO SHORT TERM RENTALS. UH, AND DID DO THAT. AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS VERY CLEAR. THEY SAY THAT THIS IS A PROPERTY RIGHT STATE AND PEOPLE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY AS THEY WISH. AND I SAID TO THEM AT THE COUNT AT THAT MEETING, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS? OR IF YOU HAVE NO NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS? SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR ME. SO NOW I LIVE MOSTLY YOU. THOSE WHO LIVE HERE WOULD KNOW ME. I LIVE BY THE CHAPEL NEIGHBORHOOD, OKAY? AND OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I KNEW THAT THERE WERE ONLY TWO THAT WERE, UH, SNOWBIRD HOUSES WHERE PEOPLE WOULD KEEP IT EMPTY SIX MONTHS A YEAR. AND THEY'D COME AND VISIT SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR. THE OTHERS WERE ALL LIVED IN. NOW I'M ABOUT 35 TO 40% SHORT TERM RENTALS BECAUSE THE OLDER PEOPLE, THEY DON'T WANNA LIVE NEXT TO A SHORT TERM RENTAL. THEY WANNA LIVE NEXT TO A NEIGHBOR. THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO WALK THEIR DOGS WITH THEIR FRIENDS. WE DON'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE. THAT'S SAD. THAT'S A FACT. SO IF YOU'RE HAPPY IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, LIVING IN A HOTEL, AND SO BE IT. BUT MOST PEOPLE AREN'T UNLESS THEY'RE CHASED AWAY. SO IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOVE MINE, CLOSER TO THE CHAPEL OF THE HOLY CROSS, THERE'S A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT HOTEL. WHAT'S REALLY A HOUSE, BUT IT'S A HOTEL. 'CAUSE IT WAS BUILT TO BE A SHORT TERM RENTAL. AND THEY TURNED IT INTO A DEVELOPMENT OF HOTEL, OF, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND THE NEIGHBORS SURROUNDING THEM HAVE NOTHING BUT COMPLAINTS. A BIG POOL, CROWDS, TRAFFIC. AND WHAT CAN THEY DO? IT'S LEGAL. BUT CAN YOU IMAGINE REALLY LIVING NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE, A BIG HOTEL, BUT YOU LIKE COUNCIL FOLTZ SAID YOU BOUGHT A HOME TO RAISE YOUR FAMILY TO HAVE PEACE AND QUIET, NOT TO HAVE SWIMMING POOL WITH DIVING BOARDS, WITH PEOPLE COMING AND GOING ALL HOURS A DAY AND NIGHT. THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU BOUGHT. BUT YET THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. WE HAVE NOW SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAME FROM OUT OF THE CITY. I THINK IT'S VERY UNFAIR THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID WE SHOULD DO, WE'VE DONE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID WE SHOULD DO. THE STATE WON'T LET US DO. WHO WAS IT THAT SAID, UH, LET ME SEE. OH, CONTROL BUSINESS LICENSES. WELL, IF YOU DID YOUR HOMEWORK, YOU'D KNOW THAT THE STATE WON'T ALLOW US TO CONTROL IT ANY DIFFERENT. WE HAVE BUSINESS LICENSE, BUT WE CAN'T CONTROL THEM. I WOULD'VE THOUGHT YOU WOULD'VE KNOWN THAT. SO, UH, WHILE WE TALK ABOUT LONG-TERM RENTAL AND WORKFORCE HOUSING, WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WANNA MOVE HERE TO RETIRE? SEDONA WAS GREAT FOR THAT. WE HAD A GOOD INVENTORY OF LONG-TERM PURCHASING. CAMERON WILL TELL YOU, HE'S, HE'S A REALTOR, VERY WELL-KNOWN REALTOR, AND A VERY GOOD PROPERTY MANAGER. OKAY? AND WE ARE LUCKY. I'M SURE ALL OF YOU ARE JUST AS QUALIFIED [05:25:01] AND I KNOW MANY WHO ARE. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE COMING IN HERE AND BUYING UP MULTIPLE HOMES IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY LIVE OUT OF STATE? THEY DON'T HAVE A HANDS-ON, UH, PROPERTIES HERE. THEY LIVE OUT OF STATE. THEY LIVE IN NEW YORK, THEY LIVE IN CALIFORNIA. DO THEY REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON? NO. THEY HAVE PEOPLE. IT'S A BUSINESS, A BUSINESS IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. BUSINESSES BELONG IN BUSINESS DISTRICTS. AND THAT'S WHAT EXACTLY THE WAY I BELIEVE IN IT. NOW, AS EVERYBODY HERE ON THE DAYS HAVE SAID, IT'S NOT GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT YOU. YOU ARE NOT GONNA LOSE ANY OF THE PROPERTIES. IT'S GOING, YOU ARE ALL GONNA BE GRANDFATHERED IN. WE NEED A CAP. IF YOU GO TO MOST STATES, I'VE YET TO FIND OUT, KURT, DO YOU KNOW ANY OTHER STATES THAT HAVE OPEN NUMBERS? I THINK ARIZONA, POSSIBLY TEXAS, HAVE UNCONTROLLED. NO LOCAL CONTROL. EVERY OTHER STATE SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM. BUT CITY IN TOWN, YOU CONTROL THEM. THAT WOULD BE FAIR IF THEY CAME IN HERE AND SAID, YOU HAVE SEDONA OR EVERY CITY IN, IN ARIZONA, 5% OF YOUR INVENTORY HAS TO BE SHORT TERM RENTALS. OKAY? 17%, ALMOST 18. THAT'S UNHEARD OF. YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS WHOLE PROJECT 1350 MOVED FORWARD, I TALKED TO, WE HAVE A, A CONFERENCE WE GO TO EVERY YEAR DOWN IN, UH, IN THE VALLEY. AND THE FIRST YEAR I TALKED TO ALMOST ALL THE MAYORS AND I SAID, I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS. OH, I LOVE THEM. IT GIVES ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE HOTELS FOR MY GUESTS THAT COME TO MY HOME. 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE A HOTEL. OKAY? THE CITIES AND TOWNS CLOSER TO, TO THE GRAND CANYON, THEY'RE NOT BIG CITIES. THEY LIKE THEM. YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SAYING? NOW, EVERYONE, 91 CITIES AND TOWNS ARE ON BOARD WITH SOME REGULATION BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE LOSING THEIR WORKFORCE HOUSING LIKE WE ARE NOW. I'M NOT PICKING ON ANYBODY. THIS IS A FACT. 91 CITIES AND TOWNS I MEET AS THE MAYOR. WE HAVE A RESOLUTION COMMITTEE. THE BEGINNING OF THIS CONFERENCE, ALL THE MAYORS MEET TOGETHER. THE FIRST YEAR, IT WASN'T TOO IN, NOBODY WAS REALLY INTERESTED. THE LAST TWO MEETINGS AGO, 91 MAYORS RAISED THEIR HAND TO SUPPORT LEGISLATION. THAT'S A REAL FACT. SO OBVIOUSLY I SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION. HOPEFULLY IT'LL HELP. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS COUNCIL LTZ ALSO SAID IT'S THE LEGISLATORS. IF THEY WOULD'VE TURNED AROUND AND SAID, HEY, WE HEAR YOU. LET'S COMPROMISE. WE COMPROMISE ALL THE TIME. NO COMPROMISE. WE WILL NOT COMPROMISE. OR, OH, WE'LL GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO REGULATE AS FAR AS PERMITTING, RIGHT? IF YOU GET, THEY GET TOO MANY SUMMONSES, YOU COULD DO SOMETHING, BUT NOT REALLY. AS OPPOSED TO, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, LET'S WORK WITH YOU. LET'S SET A CAP, 10%, 12% INSTEAD, NOT EVEN UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR A CAP. SO LONG TERM RENTALS ARE A BUSINESS TOO. WHY NOT JUST ELIMINATE THOSE AS WELL? WELL, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU NOT CALLING OUT FROM THE, FROM THE AUDIENCE. OKAY? AND IN SOME CITIES THEY TAX THOSE. THERE IS A, A SALES TAX FOR THOSE. OKAY? ANYWAY, UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 20 24 37 37, DECLARING A HOUSING SHORTAGE EMERGENCY EXACERBATED BY THE PROLIFERATION OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND INVITING OTHER LOCAL ARIZONA GOVERNMENTS TO ADOPT THE SAME. SECOND. BRIAN? NO, THE NEW GUY WASN'T THE NEW GUY. YEAH. YEAH, NEW GUY. WOW. HE SNAPPED RIGHT IN THERE. OKAY, DEREK, AS THE SECOND. OKAY. UH, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? WE UNANIMOUS. OKAY, [8.g. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items. ] ITEM G, AB 30 66. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY, I HAVE A SUGGESTION I'D LIKE TO POSSIBLY TALK ABOUT DURING THE, UH, NEXT TWO DAYS. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, HAVE SOME KIND OF A, A COMMITTEE SET UP FOR A KEY TO THE CITY. SOMETHING TO RECOGNIZE EXEMPLARY PEOPLE IN OUR CITY, WHETHER THEY'RE BUSINESS PEOPLE OR, UH, UH, RESIDENTS IN OUR CITY. AND AT A HIGH LEVEL. AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT. WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE NEXT TWO DAYS? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT ARE WE DOING IN THE NEXT TWO DAYS? [05:30:01] THE RETREAT. , I'M, I'M LIKE . HE DOES IT TO ME ALL THE TIME. OKAY. WOULD ANYBODY SECOND THAT? I'LL SECOND THIS. OKAY. SO EITHER THAT WOULD GO, UH, TO ANNETTE. UH, WE'LL FIGURE OUT, UH, WHERE TO FIT IT IN AND JUST TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? HEARING NOTHING. WE'LL SEE YOU EIGHT O'CLOCK. SAME PLACE? SAME, SAME. UH, WELL, SAME, SAME TIME. EIGHT O'CLOCK TOMORROW MORNING. [10. ADJOURNMENT] MEETINGS ADJOURNED. MORNING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.