Dec 12, 2024 City Council Retreat

SO WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO NANCY FOR AN UPDATE ON ARTS AND COLBERT.

'CAUSE WE'RE STILL WITHIN THE COMMUNITY GOAL AREA.

OF THE, UM, COMMUNITY PLAN.

GOOD MORNING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS.

IT'S GREAT TO KICK OFF DAY TWO OF THE COUNCIL RETREAT WITH ARTS AND CULTURE.

I'M GONNA START WITH, UM, A COMMUNITY PLAN POLICY 3.9, WHICH STATES BUILD COMMUNITY THROUGH CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT IN ARTS AND CULTURE.

AND I HOPE BY THE END OF MY PRESENTATION THAT WILL BE CONFIRMED.

UM, I WILL START WITH THIS ONE STUCK .

I'LL START WITH THE PROGRAMMING.

UM, SO AS I'M IN A U UNIQUE POSITION IN THIS ORGANIZATION AS I AM THE SOLE PERSON WHO OVERSEES ARTS AND CULTURE, AND FOR THE 11 PLUS YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE.

OH, THERE YOU GO.

APPARENTLY I JUST HAD TO PLAY WITH IT A WHILE.

UM, FOR THE 11 PLUS YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, I ALWAYS TRY TO AIM TO ELEVATE PROGRAMMING WHERE I CAN AND THE PROGRAMS THAT I OVERSEE, WHICH I KNOW YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH, BUT I'LL JUST, UH, REPEAT AS CITY HALL ART ROTATION ARTISTS IN THE CLASSROOM, ART AND PUBLIC PLACES, ART AND PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT IN COLLABORATION WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THE MOMENT OF ART, THE MAYOR'S ARTS AWARDS, AND THAT'S NOT ANNUAL.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR EVERY THREE YEARS.

AND THEN STREET PERFORMANCE.

THE ONLY REASON I PUT STREET PERFORMANCE IN HERE IS 'CAUSE IT'S NEVER REALLY TALKED ABOUT.

AND I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE THAT I DO GET CALLS PERIODICALLY FROM BUSKERS THAT COME THROUGH FROM COAST TO COAST TRAVEL.

THEY DO THIS FOR A LIVING AND THEY ARE SO THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE GUIDELINES.

WE HAVE A MAP TO SHOW DESIGNATED AREAS THAT WE SUGGEST WHERE THEY PERFORM.

UM, AND THAT WE DID AWAY WITH THE TUP BACK IN 2015.

SO IT'S EASY, IT'S AFFORDABLE, AND THEY'RE IMPRESSED THAT WE HAVE THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT.

AND ALSO LOCAL ARTISTS, A LOT OF LOCAL ARTISTS CALL ME PERIODICALLY AND WANNA GO UP IN PRACTICE OR USE IT AND THEY WANNA KNOW WHAT WE RECOMMEND.

HOLD ON NANCY.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ADD.

WHAT IS, WHAT IS ART IN PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT? ART AND PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT WAS, UM, IS ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES LODGING OR ANYTHING THAT IS BUILT? UM, AND THAT'S PART OF THE ART.

YEAH, THAT'S, NO.

SO LET ME, ACTUALLY, THIS IS A GOOD POINT TO BRING THAT UP.

I WASN'T SURE IF IT WILL COME UP, BUT LET'S, SO IN 19 92, 19 92 DASH OH TWO WAS THE FIRST, UM, ART AND PUBLIC PLACES ORDINANCE.

THAT'S THE 1% FROM MUNICIPAL CITY PROJECTS.

AND THAT MONEY GOES INTO THE POT FOR A IPP, RIGHT.

IN 2000 DASH OH THREE, I THINK WAS THE CODE FOR THE SECOND PUBLIC ORDINANCE.

SO WE HAVE TWO STREAMS OF REVENUE INTO A IPP FROM TWO ORDINANCES.

AND THAT SECOND ONE FOR THAT IS ABOUT COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

AND THAT'S WHERE, BASED ON THE CPI, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDER HAS TO INVEST INTO OUR, OUR POT OF MONEY FOR, UM, ARTS AND PUBLIC PLACES.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO PLACES THAT MONEY COMES FROM.

AND SO WHEN I WORK WITH ART AND PUBLIC IN PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE AMBI, BEYONCE.

I WENT WITH CARRIE TO GO SEE WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO TO ADD TO OUR POT OF MONEY.

AND THEY DID THAT BEAUTIFUL DOOR IN THE FRONT.

IT'S ACTUALLY A WALL THAT'S CARVED OUT OF, UM, IT'S A METALLIC PIECE THAT, THAT THEY DID.

WOULD THAT ALSO INCLUDE LIKE THE, THE MARRIOTT WHERE THEY HAVE THE GLOBE IN THE FRONT? YES.

AND SO HERE'S A GREAT WAY TO EX THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE.

SO MARRIOTT, AND I'M JUST ROUNDING UP, WAS ABOUT 60,000 SQUARE FEET.

SO I GOT INVOLVED IN THAT TOO.

AND THEY WANTED TO BRING IN AN OUTSIDE ARTIST.

WE TRY TO PROMOTE LOCAL ART.

AND THE OUTSIDE ARTISTS THAT DESIGNED THAT, THE, THE, THE VALUE FOR THAT WAS APPROXIMATELY HALF BASED ON THE CPI AT THAT YEAR.

SO THAT WAS ABOUT 30,000.

THEY CONTRIBUTED WHATEVER THE PRICE WAS FOR THE ART AND THE DIFFERENCE.

THEY CAN DO IT IN EITHER DIMENSION.

THEY CAN DO MONEY, THEY CAN DO, UM, ART, OR THEY CAN DO A COMBINATION FOR THE VALUE.

AND SO THAT'S HOW WE GET OUR MONEY.

AND TO TAKE IT ONE LAYER, YOU KNOW, WE DO HEAR A LOT, IT'S BEEN IN THE PAPER THAT OH, TAXPAYERS MONEY, BUT I'VE MET WITH STERLING.

IT'S ABOUT 77%, UH, THAT COMES OUT OF THE, UM, SALES TAX FROM TOURISTS AND FROM RIGHT.

FROM RIGHT.

SO, UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ORAL RESIDENT TAX.

SO NANCY, YEAH.

ON THE STREET PERFORMANCE, COULD YOU EMAIL AS A FOLLOW UP, LIKE THE, WHATEVER THE GUIDELINES ARE THAT YOU SURE PROVIDE, I'M JUST CURIOUS, LIKE WHERE ARE YOUR RECOMMENDED PLACES AND WHEN THE DAY IS DONE, IT'S A FIRST AMENDMENT MATTER ALSO, RIGHT? A HUNDRED PERCENT.

AND

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I, BUT RIGHT NOW THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, IT IS, THEY CAN REALLY PERFORM WHEREVER 'CAUSE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

BUT WE DO LIKE TO GUIDE THEM TO AREAS THAT ARE NOT AS CONGESTED, THAT AREAS THAT ARE NOT ON TOP OF WHERE MUSIC'S COMING OUT OF ANOTHER AREA WHERE THERE MIGHT BE OUTLETS TO PLUG IN FOR THEIR AMPS.

UM, AND SO THERE'S A WHOLE MAP.

CYNTHIA AND I WORKED ON MANY IN 2015, AND WE STILL GO BY THAT.

AND EVERY NOW AND THEN I REFER WITH KURT IF ANY QUESTIONS COME UP LEGALLY THAT I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR.

BUT IT, IT IS AN ACTIVE PROGRAM THAT WE DON'T REALLY TALK ABOUT.

SO, UM, YOU WANT, I, I CAN SEND THAT TO ALL OF YOU IF YOU'D LIKE THE GUIDELINES AND THE, OKAY.

AND SO, UM, TO SHARE MORE OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT I DO, BESIDES THE SEVEN PROGRAMS I OVERSEE, I DO GET PULLED INTO, UM, WHICH I LOVE, UH, WORKING WITH OTHERS AND, UM, OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO COLLABORATE.

AND, UM, ONE OF THE, UM, COMMUNITY PLAN ACTIONS IS C FOUR, DEVELOP DESIGN GUIDELINES TO ENCOURAGE COMMUNITY ORIENTED FEATURES FOR PUBLIC AND PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO A COUPLE OF THOSE PROJECTS I'M INVOLVED IN RIGHT NOW IS THE UPTOWN VIEW WALK, WHICH ANDY MENTIONED YESTERDAY, THE 10 PANELS THAT WILL BE INSTALLED UPTOWN.

SO I'M WORKING ON DESIGN AND CONTENT AND OVERSEEING THAT WITH THE GROUP.

AND CYNTHIA, UH, NATE MYERS IS IN THAT TOO.

UM, AND THEN THE RANGER STATION PARK I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN SINCE THE BEGINNING.

AND I LOVE THAT PROJECT PLANNING, THE URBAN PLANNING AND WHAT'S GONNA, ESPECIALLY FOR ART, WHAT SHOULD GO WHERE.

AND AS YOU KNOW, WE GOT STORMY BAY AND THAT I WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT.

UM, BUT I'M CONTINUING ON THAT.

AND SO GOING FORWARD WHEN WE DO HAVE FUNDING, UM, I'M HAPPY TO LOOK INTO MAYBE A SCULPTURE, WALK, OTHER AREAS OF ART, INTERPRETIVE PANELS, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THE CONTENT IS, AND OF COURSE IT WOULD BE HISTORIC AND ALSO RELATING TO ART.

UM, AND JUST AS AN ASIDE, I WANTED TO SHARE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M IN TOUCH REGULARLY WITH MARK ROUND, WHO'S AN ART HISTORIAN.

I MEAN, HE KNOWS EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING ABOUT ART IN THIS TOWN.

AND HE'S VERY PASSIONATE.

HE OWNS TWO, UH, LITHOGRAPHS FROM MAX ERNST AND DOROTHY TANNING.

AND THEY BOTH PAINTED ON CITY PROPERTY, WHICH WAS THEN SHAKI RANCH.

I KNOW HOLLY'S NOT.

MAYBE PLAY MORE SOPHISTICATED.

AND, UM, THEY ACTUALLY LIVED AND RENTED THAT LITTLE STONE HOUSE, THE HISTORIC HOUSE ON THE CREEK.

AND SO I THOUGHT IT'D BE, IF WE HAVE THE, THE, HE WOULD GIVE US A GOOD DEAL.

BUT IF WE WANTED TO PURCHASE ART FOR MAYBE THE HOUSE AT THE RANGER STATION AND TELL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEIR STORY OR JUST HAVE IT IN AN INTERPRETIVE PANEL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC HOW IMPORTANT OUR, UM, COMMUNITY WAS BACK IN THE DAY.

EXCUSE ME, I YEAH, GO AHEAD.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, SO NANCY, AND, AND MAYBE ANDY, JUST TO MAKE SURE HE'S NOT PLAYING SOLITAIRE OVER THERE, UM, OKAY.

I GET IT.

UH, SO, UM, WE'RE, WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE TOP LAYER OF THE GARAGE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING PANELS UP THERE THAT TALK ABOUT THE MOUNTAIN RANGES THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM UP THERE AND STUFF.

ARE, ARE YOU ENGAGED AT ALL TOGETHER AROUND WHETHER OR NOT TO TALK ABOUT MAYBE SOME OF THE NATIVE LORE AROUND, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE MOUNTAINS AND SORT OF BRING IN HISTORIC CONTEXT FOR WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AS WELL AS INDIGENOUS CONTEXT AND NOT JUST, HEY, THAT'S WILSON.

SO WE HAVEN'T STARTED THAT PROCESS YET, BUT THAT'LL BE COMING UP PROBABLY IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS OR SO.

WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT ADDING INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE AT THE STREET LEVEL, LIKE IN BETWEEN THE GARAGE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CALL IT MAIN STREET.

UH, SO THE MAIN THING IS THAT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT AREAS OF SIGNAGE WILL HAVE A COMMON THEME OF SOME SORT.

THERE WILL BE BRANDING THAT TIES IT ALL TOGETHER.

SO WE'RE DEFINITELY WORKING WITH, UM, ANSY AND THIS GROUP OF FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS IN GENERAL.

SO THAT WILL BE COMING UP.

I JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SO MUCH CONTEXT IN THE CITY, IT WOULD JUST BE GREAT THAT WHEREVER WE'RE PUTTING ANY OF THIS STUFF UP, THAT WE'RE BRINGING IN THE HISTORY OF THE CITY, WE'RE BRINGING IN THE HISTORY OF THE INDIGENOUS FOLKS WHO LIVED HERE PREVIOUSLY.

SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE TYING IN WHAT WE HAVE HERE, SORT OF ALMOST AS A SODO VCE, UM, LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.

YES, FOR SURE.

SO, UH, NATE MYERS HAS BEEN INTEGRAL WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CONTENT.

OF COURSE, HE HAS A, A GREAT, UM, KNOWLEDGE ON HISTORY, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO HAVE BEYOND JUST HISTORY, YOU KNOW, GEOLOGY VIEW, UM, POINTS OF INTEREST, UH, SEVERAL DIFFERENT THEMES THAT WILL BE INTERCHANGEABLE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR

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IS THE IDEA.

AND LIKE ANDY MENTIONED, JUST TO TAG ONTO THAT, IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.

SO COMING FROM UPTOWN, THERE'LL BE THOSE, UM, WALKWAYS ON THE UNDERPASS, UM, AND THEN TO THE RANGER STATION PARK AND EVERYTHING WILL BE CONSISTENT.

AND WE'RE WORKING ON DEFINITELY A DESIGN THEME THAT'S CONSISTENT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARKS, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPEFACES COLORS.

AND SO BETWEEN TOURISM AND ALL THESE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON SEPARATELY, WE'RE TRYING TO COME TOGETHER.

SO IT'S A UNIFIED LOOK AND IT'S CONSISTENT.

SO THAT'S IN THE WORKS.

WHAT ABOUT THE UNDERPASS? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING? AND THAT WAS NEXT ON MY LIST.

OH, COOL.

, I, I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS UM, DESIRED FOR THAT, BUT I'VE BEEN BROUGHT IN TO SAY THAT YOU'VE CONSIDERED PUTTING ART, ANDY AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE UNDERPASS, UM, AS WELL AS MAYBE THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE THAT COMES UP.

AND I HEAR IN CERTAIN MEETINGS THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF ART.

EXCUSE ME.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, SEVERAL THINGS FOR THE, THIS IS GONNA BE PART OF THE CREEK WALK, RIGHT? SO INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE WILL BE LOOKED AT AS A ITS OWN THEME, BUT CONSISTENT WITH THESE OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, AREAS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AS WELL.

BUT FOR THE CREEK WALK, WE LIKELY WOULD HAVE ITS OWN THEME, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING CREEK RELATED.

SO THAT, THAT'S ONE PART OF ART.

WE'VE ALSO GOT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VIEW, UH, WINDOW NEXT TO THE WATER WHEEL, UM, WHERE THERE WILL BE ART PLACED IN THAT, AND THAT WILL BE CHANGEABLE AS WELL.

THAT'S THE CONCEPT ON THAT.

UM, SO THAT, THAT GATHERING AREA NEXT TO THE WATER WHEEL YEAH.

IS INTENDED TO BE THE PLACE FOR ART THERE.

THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS IN THE, THE THEME SKETCH.

SO WHEN IS THAT GONNA KICK OFF? IT, IT'S BEING WORKED ON RIGHT NOW, ACTUALLY.

YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT IT.

WE'RE IN THE PLANNING STAGES.

SHE'S FROM MASSACHUSETTS ORIGINALLY.

SO, AND ACTUALLY THIS TIES RIGHT INTO THAT TOO.

I, THIS IS SOMETHING I IS I'D LIKE TO BRING UP, UM, BECAUSE IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR COMMUNITY AND BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER.

UM, SO MANY THINGS COME ACROSS MY DESK AND A LOT I CAN'T DO 'CAUSE I'M ONE PERSON, BUT FOR THIS, I JUMPED IN BECAUSE IT'S PASSIONATE AND CLOSE TO MY HEART.

UM, THERE'S THIS AMAZING ARTIST FROM ALASKA, JAMES HAVENS.

YOU CAN LOOK UP HIS WORK.

HE DOES HUGE SCULPTURES OF DINOSAURS.

HE'S VERY INTO, MUCH INTO CONSERVATION AND SUSTAINABILITY.

AND HIS, HIS, HE'S SCIENCE ORIENTED, BUT LOVES SEDONA AND WANTS TO EVENTUALLY LIVE HERE.

AND HE DOES THESE PROJECTS WHERE HE TRAVELS FROM, UM, MUNICIPALITY, MUNICIPALITY, AND HE'S THROUGH KSB, I'M COLLABORATING ON THAT.

AND HE'D LIKE TO DO A COMMUNITY INTERACTIVE MURAL.

SO I WILL CONNECT HIM WITH STUDENTS FROM ARTISTS THROUGH ARTISTS IN THE CLASSROOM AND THE TEACHERS.

UM, AND THE REASON I'M BRINGING IT UP IS 'CAUSE IT, IT, IT'S VERY LIKELY I'M WORKING WITH JOSH THAT WE COULD DO THIS IN THE RANGER STATION PARK AS FAR AS THE PAINTING TEMPORARILY FOR LIKE A COUPLE OF WEEKS IN THE SPRING.

THE PERMANENT HOME IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED, BUT IT MAY BE GREAT TO HAVE IT THERE BECAUSE WE COULD DO FLORA AND FAUNA OF THE CREEK LIFE.

WE CAN DO, UM, THE RANGER STATION AND JUST ABOUT OUR INDIGENOUS, UM, THE CULTURE.

AND HE CAN JUST DO A WHOLE MURAL ABOUT THAT.

UM, SO THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.

SO IT'S JUST, THESE ARE THINGS THAT JUST ARE, YOU KNOW, IN PROCESS AND EXCITING IF THEY COME TO FRUITION.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO HELP DO.

SO FOR, UM, THE EXHIBITS, YOU SEE THE BELVINS WORK HERE, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A A NOTE THAT THIS IS THE LARGEST EXHIBIT I'VE EVER DONE.

THERE'S A HUNDRED PAINT, UM, PHOTOGRAPHS BETWEEN THIS ROOM, THE VOLTE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND ANNETTE'S OFFICE.

UM, AND THEN THE NEXT EXHIBIT WILL BE A SOLO ARTIST, WHICH I RARELY DO, BUT SHE IS PROLIFIC, REALLY, REALLY, UM, TERRIFIC AT WHAT SHE DOES.

SHE'S A LANDSCAPE PAINTER AND VERY HUMBLE AND NOT KNOWN.

AND SO I WANTED TO GIVE HER AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT.

UM, AND THEN TO TAG ONTO THAT, TO EXPAND COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS, I AM ADDING, UM, WE DO THE ARTIST RECEPTION LIKE ABOUT THE SECOND MONTH OF THE FOUR MONTH CYCLE, THE THIRD MONTH I WAS GONNA OFFER, UM, WHICH SHE'S REALLY GRATEFUL FOR.

AND I'LL BE DOING THIS CONTINUOUSLY A TWO HOUR SESSION WHEN THE ROOM'S AVAILABLE TO HAVE COMMUNITY COME MEET THE ARTISTS, HAVE THEM TALK MORE ABOUT THEIR WORK SO IT'S NOT JUST A QUICK RECEPTION AND HAVE A Q AND A.

SO I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE A, A NICE THING TO ADD.

NANCY, THIS NEXT ARTIST THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ON DISPLAY, YOU SAID SHE'S NOT KNOWN.

IS THAT A STRATEGY YOU'RE KEEPING HER NOT KNOWN RIGHT NOW? OR DO YOU HAVE A NAME YOU CAN SHARE? OH, I DID SAY, OH, I DIDN'T SAY HER NAME, CAROL.

BE OKAY.

AND THERESA IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH HER BECAUSE, UH, SHE MENTIONED HER TO ME WHEN SHE WENT TO HER OPEN STUDIO.

UM, WHICH SHE, SHE LIVES IN CLARKDALE, BUT SHE MAINLY LIVES, NO ONE KNOWS HER BECAUSE SHE LIVES OUT ON THE RES WITH HER HUSBAND FOR DECADES.

AND HER,

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SHE HAS A HOME IN CLARKDALE SO THAT SHE CAN, YOU KNOW, PROMOTE HER WORK.

AND THEY WERE LITERALLY FLYING OFF THE WALLS.

AND SHE, SHE, SHE'S LIKE, I CAN'T, I SAID, WELL, YOU'RE VERY TALENTED.

SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE HER THAT OPPORTUNITY.

UM, SO YES, YOU WILL KNOW HER SOON.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, IT'S REALLY GONNA BUMP UP THE METRICS BECAUSE I'M GONNA HAVE NORTHERN ARIZONA WATERCOLOR SOCIETY, AND THEY HAVE ABOUT 50 ARTISTS THAT WILL BE DISPLAYING.

AND SO, UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

IT'S THEIR 30TH, UH, ANNIVERSARY, SO THEY'LL BE IN THE SPRING.

HOW MUCH LONGER DO WE HAVE THIS ARTIST WITH THE PHOTOS? THIS COMES DOWN JANUARY 9TH.

OH, WOW.

YEAH, MY FLIES.

I I USUALLY CARRY IT OVER 'CAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS FOR THE, FOR THIS SE CYCLE.

UM, AND THE ARTIST IN THE CLASSROOM, I WON'T GO TOO MUCH INTO DETAIL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE PROGRAMS. YOU WILL HAVE THEM THE BROCHURE, UM, AND THE NEWSLETTER, SO YOU CAN DIG DEEPER IF YOU WANNA LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT.

UM, BUT THIS YEAR I HIRED 12 NEW ARTISTS OUT OF 24.

THEY'RE VERY TALENTED.

I HAVE A, JUST TO NAME A FEW, A PRINTMAKER, UM, BILL ROOT FROM, HE HAS A STUDIO IN JEROME, BUT HE HAS A HOME IN SEDONA, AND HE'LL BE WORKING AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.

I HAVE, UM, UH, A AUTHOR, UH, CHILDREN'S AUTHOR, DIANE PHELPS, WHO'S WRITTEN SOME REALLY INTERESTING SCIENCE BOOKS THAT SHE'LL TIE IN AND TEACH CHILDREN ABOUT WHAT A BOOK SIGNING IS AND WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A WRITER.

UM, AND WHO ELSE DO I HAVE? I HAVE, UM, THERE WAS ONE OTHER I WAS GONNA MENTION.

GO AHEAD.

WERE GONNA SAY SOMETHING.

NO, NO.

FILLED WITH, UM, WITH HER.

ANYWAY, I HAVE A LOT OF GREAT RS AND THEY'RE ALL IN THERE.

UM, YOU CAN SEE, OH, STAINED GLASS, HOLLY STEADMAN.

SHE DID MARIPOSA'S GLASS.

SHE'S NOW COMING BACK INTO THE PROGRAM.

YEARS AGO SHE WAS IN THE PROGRAM.

SO I'M REALLY HAPPY TO GET HER INVOLVED.

SHE'S WONDERFUL.

SHE'S SUPER TALENTED.

UM, AND SO NOW WE CAN MOVE ON, FINALLY TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

OH, GREAT.

SO THIS IS JUST, WE'LL GO A LITTLE QUICKER.

UM, THESE ARE THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS WHICH YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH.

STORMY BAY, WHICH WAS, UM, PLACED IN THE, UM, RANGER STATION PARK, PEGGY LANNING, OLD SCULPTURE AND COUNSELOR PLU, YOU RECOGNIZE THAT STREET .

UM, OKAY.

AND THIS IS SOME THINGS YOU MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF, BUT, UM, UNFORTUNATELY OUR APPLE TURNOVER WAS HIT BY A CAR.

OH YEAH.

I COULD TALK ABOUT THAT AT ANOTHER TIME.

BUT IT WAS BACKED INTO, AND, UM, THE CORE FELL OFF AND THE, THE, UM, BASE WAS DESTROYED.

AND, UM, I HAD TO BREAK THE NEWS TO THE ARTIST, WHICH WAS TOUGH.

AND FULLER BARNES IS INCREDIBLE.

HE'S AN INCREDIBLE SCULPTURE.

AND, AND FLAGSTAFF, SO HE'S REPAIRED IT ALREADY.

AND WE'VE COVERED THIS WITH INSURANCE.

AND, UM, YOU SEE THE, THE FIRST PIECE, I MEAN, IT WAS, IT WAS ALSO IN NEED OF MAINTENANCE ANYWAY, BUT NOW WE REALLY MAINTAINED IT.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

IT'S IN FLAG, AND I'M WAITING TO GET A DATE.

WE'RE LOOKING TENTATIVELY TO DECEMBER 30TH TO GET, UM, IT INSTALLED BACK AT THE MUSEUM, BUT I INSISTED IT DOESN'T GO ON THE ROAD.

SO I'VE MET WITH NATE AND, UM, THE ARTIST IN PUBLIC WORKS, AND WE'RE GONNA PUT IT NEXT TO THE APPLE BARN, WHICH IS PERFECT BECAUSE IT'S AN APPLE PEELER.

SO THAT'S COMING UP.

AND MANY MAY NOT HAVE NOTICED, BUT THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE, UH, COWBOY ARTIST, THE RED ROCKS, THE LITTLE GIRL WAS IN DIRE NEED OF A DERMATOLOGIST, A PODIATRIST, A, UH, YOU NAME IT.

SHE WAS FALLING APART.

AND SO THAT I WAS SO HAPPY.

CLYDE ROSS MORGAN, WHO'S THE ORIGINAL ARTIST FROM THE NINETIES, IS STILL AROUND IN PRESCOTT.

AND HE CAME AND HE, HE'S THE ONE WHO INSTALLED IT.

HE TOOK IT OUT ONE COLD MORNING AND TOOK IT TO PRESCOTT, TO THE FOUNDRY, AND IT'S NOW REPAIRED.

MOST PEOPLE WON'T NOTICE, BUT IF YOU DO WALK BY, SHE LOOKS BEAUTIFUL.

HER EYES ARE FINE.

SHE DOESN'T NEED ANY MORE, UM, MEDICAL HELP, .

SO, UM, AND THEN TO THE RIGHT, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THIS WAS A BIG EVENT.

THE, UM, ROADRUNNER WAS JUST INSTALLED ON, UM, UH, NOVEMBER 26TH.

AND THAT TO ME WAS ONE OF MY MOST EXCITING PROJECTS WORKING HERE.

I MEAN, FROM THE CRACK OF DAWN UNTIL I KNOW AFTER THE RIBBON CUTTING, SO MANY CARS GOING AROUND, HONKING, CHEERING, YELLING OUT, THANK YOU.

JUST AS CONFIRMING THAT ART REALLY ACTIVATES PUBLIC SPACES AND ART BRINGS JOY.

SO THAT WAS EXCITING.

AND THEN OF COURSE, JULIAN AND MARIA, I, WHEN THE SLIDES WERE DONE, UM, I DIDN'T HAVE THE PICTURE YET, BUT THAT WAS JUST INSTALLED DECEMBER 3RD.

I WANNA SAY A BIG THANKS IF HE'S LISTENING TO RYAN HAYES AND HIS TEAM, BECAUSE THEY JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, INSTALLATION WAS BROUGHT IN-HOUSE AND THEY ARE INCREDIBLE TO WORK WITH.

THEY HAVE SO MUCH ON THEIR PLATE AND, UM, I'M JUST GRATEFUL TO WORK WITH THEM.

OKAY, THIS JUST HAPPENED.

UM, AND YOU HAVE A LITTLE, I JUST GAVE YOU THE, UM, BROCHURE, THE LITTLE PROMOTION PIECE THAT I GAVE OUT THE PROGRAM FOR THE MAYOR'S ARTS AWARDS.

IT WAS NOVEMBER 2ND.

HI PAT.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING US USE THE SPACE.

IT WAS SOLD OUT THE FIRST DAY.

UM, THE TICKETS WENT ON SALE.

SO MARY FISHER THEATER WAS 99 SEATS.

AND THEN, UM, ALICE GILL IS 43.

43.

AND SO THOSE WERE PRETTY MUCH FULL.

SO, UM, IT WAS INCREDIBLE.

IT WAS WONDERFUL TO SEE SO MANY ARTISTS IN ONE PLACE.

SUSAN CLE HAD HALF THE ROOM

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PEOPLE LITERALLY FLEW IN FROM CALIFORNIA ON THEIR PLANE AND DROVE IN FROM TEXAS.

SO, UM, IT WAS, THE ENERGY WAS HIGH AND IT WAS WONDERFUL TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, WINNIE MINCH FOR HER WORK WITH THE SEDONA BALLET FOR INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS ORG WAS, UM, SEDONA VISUAL ARTIST COALITION, WHICH YOU MAY ALL KNOW IS, UH, OPEN STUDIOS.

THEY REALLY REACH OUT TO COMMUNITY AND HAVE A WIDE SCOPE OF PEOPLE THAT, UM, THEY BRING TOGETHER THROUGH THE OPEN STUDIO PROGRAM.

EDUCATION WAS WHAT WE SAW HERE FOR THE MOMENT OF ART, THE SEDONA YOUTH ORCHESTRA, WHICH IS INCREDIBLE WHAT COURTNEY AND CHRISTINA DO.

UM, ON A, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT, OF COURSE, SUSAN KLEE WERE, I MEAN, SHE IS NOTABLE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE HER IN SEDONA.

SHE'S SO DOWN TO EARTH.

SHE'S A VERY REGULAR PERSON.

YOU KNOW, SHE'S SUPER HUMBLE, VERY, VERY MUCH.

AND JUST TO MAKE ONE MORE POINT ABOUT THIS PROGRAM, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK, OH, AND I GET A LOT OF APPLICATIONS.

OH, THIS PERSON'S A WONDERFUL ARTIST.

WELL, IT'S MORE ABOUT THE SERVICE.

OF COURSE, YOU HAVE TO BE A GOOD ARTIST, BUT THIS SERVICE THAT YOU GIVE BACK TO COMMUNITY.

AND SUSAN, I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE KNOW BESIDES ALL HER PROLIFIC SCULPTURES EVERYWHERE AND ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, SHE TAUGHT CANCER PATIENTS HOW TO SCULPT AND REALLY CHANGED THEIR LIVES WHEN THEY WERE GOING THROUGH SOME TOUGH TIMES AT THE MEDICAL CENTER AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT NOTE ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, UH, WARREN'S GETTING THIS RECOGNITION MISSION.

AND THIS IS LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UM, PROPOSED INITIATIVES.

UM, SO FOR COMMUNITY PLAN ACTION C SIX, IT'S STATES EXPAND THE CAPACITY OF THE CITY'S ARTS AND CULTURE PROGRAM.

SO IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN EXPANDING, IF ANY OF THESE THINGS STRIKE A CHORD AND YOU FEEL ARE IMPORTANT TO, TO GO FORWARD, I'M HAPPY TO EXPLORE FURTHER RESEARCH MORE AND COME BACK AND PRESENT IT ANOTHER TIME.

BUT TO TOUCH ON THEM, THE FIRST WAS SHOULD WE CREATE A MASTER, UM, PUBLIC ART PLAN N UM, BASICALLY THAT IS EXAMINING A STRATEGIC WAY TO STRENGTHEN OUR PUBLIC ART.

SO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE ADOPTED THIS, THERE'S, UM, A FEW, UH, THINGS THAT IT ENTAILS.

YOU COULD CREATE AN ARTS ADVISORY BOARD, UM, AND THAT'S JUST TO ADVISE THE PROCESS UNTIL, UM, WE HAVE IT ALL CONFIRMED AND THEN THEY COULD DISBAND AFTER IT'S ADOPTED.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO, UM, LAUNCH A CONSULTANT SEARCH TO WHO'S FAMILIAR WITH THIS, UH, HOW TO CREATE A PLAN, A PUBLIC ART PLAN, UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY INITIATE COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO SEE WHAT THE INTEREST IS IN AND WHAT THE INTEREST SHOULD BE AND HAVE LISTENING SESSIONS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH YOU CAN DO WITH PUBLIC ART.

SO SOME OF THE INITIATIVES COULD BE, UM, MURAL PROGRAM.

I GET ASKED FROM PUBLIC WORKS ALL THE TIME, HEY, WE HAVE THIS GREAT WALL, WHY CAN'T WE JUST DO A MURAL NOW? AND I'M, I MEAN, WE NEED TO PLAN IT AND HAVE A, A PLAN IN PLACE.

UM, WHAT ABOUT, UM, INTERACTIVE PUBLIC ART PROJECTS, WHICH IS THE ONE I MENTIONED THAT JAMES WOULD DO.

IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE OTHER VISITING ARTISTS COME AND HAVE COMMUNITY INVOLVED IN INTERACTIVE IMMERSIVE ARTS, LIKE CANDY CHANG'S WORK, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR, FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

UM, STREETSCAPE ART IS VERY POPULAR.

THERE WAS JUST A, UM, RFP FOR TEMPE AND THEY DID THIS AMAZING ARTWORK IN THE STREETS, UM, ON THE GROUND THAT, YOU KNOW, WITHSTANDS WEATHER AND ALL THE ELEMENTS, BUT CAN BE PAINTED OVER JUST DIFFERENT WAYS TO BEAUTIFY ELECTRICAL BOXES.

YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE, I GET THESE IDEAS ALL THE TIME AND I MEAN, I CAN'T DO ALL THAT, BUT THERE ARE POSSIBILITIES IF WE WERE TO EXPAND.

AND, UM, ONE THAT I REALLY THINK WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO EVEN DO RIGHT AWAY IS A SCULPTURE ON LOAN PROGRAM, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE PAID FUNDS FOR STORMY BAY.

WE GOT A GOOD DEAL ON THAT.

BUT WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO ASK ARTISTS IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO DONATE, LIKE MIKE WISE IS DOING UPTOWN SOME OF THEIR ART, IF THEY WANNA JUST PLACE IT HERE TEMPORARILY, WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT THE ARTIST TO PROMOTE IT AND MOVE IT ALONG.

OR IF MAYBE SOMEONE BUYS IT OR WE BUY IT, OR THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT CREATIVE WAYS OF THINKING HOW TO, YOU KNOW, INTEGRATE ART INTO, UM, OUR CITY PROPERTIES.

SO THAT'S ONE, A PUBLIC ART MASTER PLAN.

AND IF BUDGETARY AND CONSULTANTS, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT TO CONSIDER FOR EVERYTHING IS TOO MUCH, MAYBE THIS OTHER CREATIVE WAYS WE CAN LOOK AT EXPANDING.

THE SECOND, UM, WHICH HAS COME UP PREVIOUSLY, UM, IS POET LAUREATE.

AND, UM, THIS WOULD BE IN COLLABORATION WITH THE SEDONA LIBRARY.

JUDY POE IS CHOMPING AT THE BIT, AS YOU KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW HOW SHE TAKES, SHE MAKES ME LOOK LIKE I'M FLAT LINING.

I MEAN THIS, SHE DOES A LOT.

UM, AND SO SHE'S REALLY RARING TO GO WITH THIS IF THIS WERE TO BE PROPOSED.

SO THE NUMBER OF POET LAUREATES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY HAVE EXPANDED.

EVERY STATE HAS ONE AND THERE'S PLENTY IN DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES.

AND SO THE STATE OF ARIZONA IS ALBERT RIOS, AND HE'S BEEN FOR QUITE A WHILE, BUT TUCSON, PHOENIX, PRESCOTT, AND FLAGSTAFF ALL HAVE ONE.

FLAGSTAFF IS REALLY

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INTERESTING TO NOTE.

IT'S A JUNIOR POET LAUREATE.

SHE WAS AN NAU ALUMNI, MICHAELA AND MERRIMAN.

AND SHE, UH, INITIATED A YOUTH POETRY COUNCIL AND OFFERS LITERARY EVENTS FOR HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE STUDENTS.

SO IF SHE'S RIGHT HERE, IF WE WANTED TO INCLUDE AS FAR AS THE COMMITTEE THAT WE WOULD GET TO LAUNCH A PROGRAM LIKE THIS, CAROL GOLDSMITH, WHO'S AN AMAZING TEACHER AT THE HIGH SCHOOL IS WAS ACTUALLY ON THE PUBLIC LAUREATE COMMITTEE FOR THE STATE.

AND WE HAVE HER RIGHT HERE.

SO WE HAVE, UM, A LOT OF ACCESS TO, UM, SOME GOOD OPPORTUNITIES, UM, TO WORK IF THAT WERE TO BE WON.

AND THEN FINALLY, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.

BEFORE YOU OH, GO AHEAD.

UH, SO I WAS AT THE LIBRARY.

JUDY IS JUMPING AT THE BITS.

AND, UH, MY ROTARY CLUB HAD THE PROPOSED PUBLIC LAUREATE, CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME.

REX AEROSMITH.

REX AEROSMITH COME AND SPEAK AND NOT ABOUT BEING THE POET LAUREATE, BUT ABOUT WHAT HE DOES.

HE'S A POET.

AND THEN HE TALKED ABOUT THAT PROGRAM WITH, THE IDEA WAS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A JUNIOR POET LAUREATE AND A SENIOR, AND THEY WOULD BE IN THE SCHOOLS WORKING WITH STUDENTS.

THAT'S MOSTLY WHAT THEY WOULD BE DOING WOULD BE IN SCHOOLS TRYING TO ENHANCE, UH, ENGLISH, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, ENHANCE THE ABILITY OF THE STUDENTS TO APPRECIATE POETRY, BUT ALSO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE STANDARD POETRY THAT WE THINK ABOUT WHEN WE WERE IN SCHOOL, BUT IT'S MORE CURRENT.

SO THEY, HE READ POEMS FROM STUDENTS AND FROM HIMSELF AND THEY WERE KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF HIP HOP, A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, OF MORE TRADITIONAL, IT WAS A COMBINATION.

IT WAS VERY, ACTUALLY, VERY INTERESTING.

AND, AND THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATED WITH US.

I KNOW, BECAUSE THIS PROGRAM WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN LAUNCHED LAST YEAR AND THEN FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS IT DIDN'T GET LAUNCHED.

AND SO THEY FEEL A LITTLE BIT SNUBBED.

SO CONSIDERING THAT THERE'S, UH, INTEREST FROM THE LIBRARY, THERE'S PEOPLE WHO, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT PROCESS WE WOULD USE TO DETERMINE WHO WOULD BE THE, THIS PERSON, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO LAUNCH A PROGRAM? IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA COST MONEY FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.

SO THERE WOULD BE DIFFERENT STIPENDS THAT WOULD BE CONTRIBUTED.

REX IS ONE OF THEM.

SO REX IS A PUBLISHED POET.

HE'S AMAZING.

UM, HE'S VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS AND HE DOES FEEL SNUBBED.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

UM, BECAUSE WE HAD TRY TO KICKSTART IT.

AND I, WE ACTUALLY HAD A COMMITTEE, UM, OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE FROM THE LIBRARY, FROM STAFF, FROM MYSELF, ONE PERSON FROM STAFF HERE WHO'S NO LONGER HERE.

UM, AND CAROL GOLDSMITH WAS GONNA BE PART OF THAT.

AND WE WOULD MEET AND KIND OF COME UP WITH A PLAN ON HOW TO CHOOSE.

UH, WE'D HAVE TO PUT OUT AN RFP TO THE SCHOOLS.

IT'S ALSO FOR ADULTS.

SO A SENIOR AND A JUNIOR.

UM, AND YES, MOST OF IT IS TO GO TO THE SCHOOLS, TO, TO DO THIS CURRENT AND KIND OF COOL POEM.

IT'S LIKE PERFORMANCE ART, SLAM POETRY, UM, AND THE KIDS CAN RELATE TO IT AND IT'S JUST TO PROMOTE LITERARY ARTS TO GET THEM ENGAGED.

AND, UM, IT WOULDN'T BE THAT DIFFICULT BECAUSE I'D BE COLLABORATING.

JUDY'S HAPPY TO TAKE ON MOST OF IT.

IT JUST DIDN'T GET, UM, IT JUST DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD, UM, AT THAT TIME.

UM, BUT YEAH, WE'D HAVE A STIPEND FOR IT.

IT WOULDN'T BE THAT EXPENSIVE.

I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 2000 PER POET PER YEAR.

AND THEN WE WOULD GIVE THEM ASSIGNMENTS WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UM, PERFORM AT SCHOOLS, BUT NOT JUST SCHOOLS, ANY BIG EVENTS IN THE COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY GET AROUND, THEY COULD COLLABORATE WITH EACH OTHER.

WE COULD GET MAYBE ALBERT RIOS TO COME UP FROM THE, FROM PHOENIX AND, AND JUST KIND OF EXPAND AND PROMOTE POEMS AND, AND LITERARY ARTS.

SO.

INITIAL ATTEMPT AND JUST TRY TO GET IT RESTARTED? UM, THATS AGENDA.

'CAUSE I, I THINK WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS THE IMPROVEMENT ON LITERACY IN GENERAL BECAUSE KIDS GET YES INTERESTED AND EXCITED AND RIGHT.

COME CREATIVE AND RIGHT.

AND THAT IS WHAT ART DOES, ESPECIALLY WITH ACADEMICS.

AND THEN KIDS THAT ARE TUNED OUT OR AN UNENGAGED, YOU GIVE THEM ART, I'VE DONE IT WHEN I'VE TAUGHT WITH THEM.

THEY HIDE.

THEY DON'T WANNA LEAVE.

THEY JUST GET SO ENGAGED.

'CAUSE YOU GET INTO THAT CREATIVE ZONE AND THEY'RE LEARNING AND THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT I THINK.

AND POETRY, EVERY FORM OF ART DOES THAT.

SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER IS THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM TO REALLY DIG MORE INTO IT TO, INSTEAD OF PUTTING OUT, I DON'T WANT IT TO FALL TO THE BACK BURNER.

WELL, MAYOR, DO YOU THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN DESIGNING THE PROGRAM DETAILS? OR WOULD YOU PREFER THAT WE JUST GO BACK AND LIKE DUST OFF THIS

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THERE'S NOT A LOT AGENDA, LOT OF BUDGET AGENDA.

BUT DO YOU WANT, UH, THERE'S AN ISSUE TO SEE THE PROPOSED PLAN AND APPROVE IT BEFORE WE, APRIL IS POETRY MONTH, RIGHT? I GUESS NATIONAL POETRY MUST.

AND SO THE LIBRARY IS REALLY FOCUSED ON APRIL.

SO IT'S ALREADY DECEMBER AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DOABLE.

BUT THEN THAT LAST YEAR, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T MAKE THAT DATE, THEY DELAYED IT FOR A YEAR.

SO NOW WE'RE COMING UP AGAINST IT AGAIN.

AND IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET SOMETHING, IT'S POSSIBLE IF I COLLABORATE WITH JUDY AND WE CAN LOOK, I DO HAVE TO LOOK CLOSER AT THE CALENDAR.

'CAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT CYCLE DATES AND HOW FAR OUT WE PLAN.

BUT I CAN LOOK INTO THAT, UM, AND LET YOU KNOW.

UM, ALSO POET LAUREATE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S POET MONTH, I, I DID RESEARCH BACK THEN AND FROM WHAT I REMEMBER AND RECALL IT WAS THAT SOMETIMES THEY'RE LAUNCHED EVEN AFTER APRIL.

NOT JUST POETRY MONTH.

BUT THAT WOULD BE A, A NICE WAY TO, TO OPEN UP.

WELL WE CAN CERTAINLY, UM, DUST ALL THAT OFF.

I THINK THAT WAS, I RECALL WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, WHICH WAS APRIL , UM, SHORTLY AFTER THAT, I THINK NANCY BROUGHT THIS UP TO ME, UM, ABOUT THAT THERE HAD BEEN AN INTEREST IN TRYING TO ESTABLISH A PULL AT LAUREATE THAT THERE WASN'T, UM, FOR WHATEVER REASON IT DIDN'T GET LAUNCHED.

I'LL JUST SAY THAT.

SO, UM, YEAH, HAPPY TO DUST THAT OFF AND SEE HOW WE CAN GET SOMETHING GOING.

AGAIN, I'M JUST UNCLEAR WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO BRING BACK TO COUNSEL IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WANT TO MAKE A DECISION TO APPROVE IT BEFORE WE DO IT.

OR IF YOU JUST WANT AN INFORMATION ITEM ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TO, I'D LIKE TO, WE HAVE FOUR MEETINGS IN JANUARY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SCHEDULES ARE.

UH, BUT IF WE COULD GET IT INTO ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS AND HAVE THE WHOLE COUNCIL OPINE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ASKING SORT OF MY OPINION.

I FEEL WE HAVE ALL OF US HERE IF WE ARE ALL INTERESTED IN HEARING ABOUT IT, AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT MOVE FORWARD.

SO IS IS THIS A TOPIC THAT NEEDS TO BE AGENDIZED? I MEAN, IF WE'RE ALL SITTING HERE, IF THERE'S A MAJORITY READY TO SAY YES, LET'S DO IT.

THAT WOULD BE FINE TO ME AS WELL.

DO IT.

THAT WOULD BE FINE.

BUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER I DON'T YEAH.

'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT TAKES A VOTE OR ANYTHING.

THERE'S NO, IF IT'S, YOU CAN DISCUSS IT AND, AND UH, FINE.

CITY MANAGER CAN PROCEED WITH THE DIRECTION.

THAT'S FINE.

THAT I, WE CAN'T VOTE ON PREFER TO DO THAT.

IS THERE ANYBODY THAT HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT? I DIDN'T THINK SO, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT WAS AIRED PUBLICLY AND EVERYTHING.

SO YOU WOULD GET VOTED OFF THE ISLAND IF YOU DO HAVE A PROBLEM.

YEAH, DON'T WANNA DO THAT.

I KNOW ALL ABOUT THIS .

AND THAT YOU HAVE YOUR, UH, DIRECTION.

UNDERSTOOD.

OKAY, PERFECT.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA SEE IT BE PUT ON A BACK BURNER AGAIN.

AND WE DON'T WASTE ANY TIME.

I HAVE A COM NEW COMMITTEE MEMBER RIGHT NOW.

SHE'S INTERESTED IN POETRY AND SHE JUST SAID I'D LOVE TO BE ON THAT.

SO HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT ? PERFECT.

UM, OH GOOD.

YOU'RE FILL IN FOR THE PERSON WHO LEFT.

I KNOW SHE WAS ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER.

EASY.

YOU KNOW, EVEN STEVEN.

UM, AND THE LAST COUNSELOR.

FOLTZ.

I KNOW I HEARD YOU HAVE, OH NO, I HEARD YOU HAVE ONE FOOT IN THE ISLAND.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA GET TWO IN OR OFF FOOT , BUT, UM, THE MOMENT OF ART, THIS HAS COME UP SEVERAL TIMES AND SO I WILL BRING IT UP AGAIN.

UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU ALL TO COME TO CONSENSUS WITH IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT EXPANDED AND ELIMINATED.

UM, A SUGGESTION COULD BE MAYBE, AND I'D HAVE TO LOOK AGAIN, IT'S JUST ME.

SO I HAVE TO LOOK AT MY SCHEDULE AND COM I'M AT CAPACITY, BUT IF I COULD, I COULD POSSIBLY DO EVERY OTHER MONTH AND HAVE A TWO HOUR TIME WHERE WE HAVE A PERFORMANCE HERE IN THIS ROOM AND IT BECOMES MORE OF AN EVENT AND Q AND A, JUST LIKE I WAS GONNA DO WITH THE ARTISTS FOR THE EXHIBITS, IT'S A POSSIBILITY.

UM, DO YOU MEAN, UM, INDEPENDENT OF A COUNCIL MEETING? NOT HAVE IT AS A COUNCIL AGENDA ITEM, BUT JUST A SEPARATE OH NO, ADD IT ON .

YEAH, LET'S DO THAT.

THEY GET ELABORATE AND SOMETIMES ASKING AND PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME.

HOURS.

THEY'RE NOT LONG ENOUGH.

OH, NO, NO, NO, NO.

DEFINITELY SEPARATE .

YEAH, NO, THIS WOULD BE AT ANOTHER TIME WHEN THE ROOM'S AVAILABLE AND PEOPLE ARE MORE AVAILABLE AND IT'S COMFORTABLE FOR THEIR SCHEDULES.

UM, MAYBE LATER IN THE DAY IF PEOPLE WORK OR WHATEVER, WHERE IT'S MORE OF AN EVENT AND IT'S A WAY TO JUST KIND OF SUPPORT, UM, AND PROMOTE LOCAL ART.

UM, AND I'LL JUST SAY FROM MY VANTAGE POINT, I LOVE DOING THE MOMENT OF ART.

SO WHATEVER YOU DIRECT, I'M FINE.

BUT SOMETIMES, ESPECIALLY WHAT WE JUST HAD, WHICH WAS THE MOST ELABORATE ONE FOR 10 MINUTES, I CANNOT BELIEVE THEY GOT SO DRESSED UP.

THEY BROUGHT ALL THESE, THEY'RE SO EXCITED ABOUT IT.

AND THEN WE HAVE TO RACE AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF UNCOMFORTABLE.

YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS GOTTA MOVE ON.

I MEAN, SO THE, THE SIMPLE MOMENTS OF ART ARE FINE, BUT SOMETIMES

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IT'D BE NICE IF I, IF I WERE TO DO THE OTHER, WE COULD OFFER TO EVEN PAY THE ARTISTS, WHICH IS REALLY SHOWING OUR SUPPORT.

IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULD BE NOMINAL, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO TO, TO MAKE THAT GESTURE.

SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT OUT THERE.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT BRIAN THINKS.

BECAUSE HE'S A BIG SUPPORTER OF THIS .

I HAVE SAID SINCE DAY ONE WHEN YOU VOTED ME OFF THE ISLAND, THAT WE CAN DO BETTER FOR OUR ARTISTS AND WHAT NANCY'S TALKING ABOUT OF A TWO HOUR PROGRAM WHERE THERE'S VISUAL PERFORMING ARTS, BOTH ANYTHING MOST LIKELY.

AND I MEAN, 'CAUSE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, LIKE EVEN ON TUESDAY, OKAY, SO IF EVERY KID HAD, YOU KNOW, TWO PARENTS HERE, THAT'S IT.

THEY HAD TWO PEOPLE TO SEE THEM.

WHEN IT'S A VISUAL ARTIST, IT'S THEIR FOUR FRIENDS OR FIVE FRIENDS SITTING IN THE FIRST ROW OVER THERE IN FRONT OF PATRICK, AND THEN THEY LEAVE AS SOON AS THAT PERSON HAS DONE THEIR THING.

RIGHT? LIKE, WE CAN DO SO MUCH BETTER TO HONOR THEM.

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING SINCE DAY ONE.

AND YES, IT DRIVES ME CRAZY THAT WE SPEND A MOMENT OF ART GOES WAY MORE THAN A MOMENT.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY.

BUT WE, WE CAN DO BETTER FOR OUR ARTISTS.

AND I THINK WHAT NANCY'S TALKING ABOUT DOING IS WAY BETTER FOR OUR ARTISTS TO RECOGNIZE THEM AND HONOR THEM.

IT'S MUCH MORE RESPECTFUL TOO.

SO KATHY, YES, BUT, BUT , UM, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA, OR I'M NOT COMFORTABLE AT THIS POINT WITH THE IDEA OF, I DON'T WANNA LOSE MOMENT OF ART FROM MEETINGS.

BECAUSE TO ME, THAT'S EXPOSING PEOPLE THAT WOULD NOT NORMALLY HAVE THE EXPOSURE TO THAT MOMENT OF ART.

IF YOU HAVE IT AS A SPECIALIZED EVENT, YES, FAMILIES, FRIENDS, PEOPLE WILL COME OR PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THAT EVENT, BUT THEY'RE NOT COMING.

THE WHOLE IDEA OF MOMENT OF ART WAS THAT YOU'RE HERE BECAUSE THERE'S A LAND USE ISSUE THAT YOU CARE ABOUT, BUT GUESS WHAT? YOU GET EXPOSED TO THIS GREAT MOMENT OF ART.

UH, IT GETS CAPTURED ON THE RECORDING, IT'S MEMORIALIZED.

IT'S THERE WHEN YOU GO THREE YEARS FROM NOW AND YOU GO AND LOOK AT SOMETHING, AT WHICHEVER COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WAS THIS GREAT MOMENT OF ART.

I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA LOSE THE EXPOSURE FROM THAT, THE, THE CAPTURING THAT MEMORIALIZING IT.

I DON'T, I DON'T MIND DOING SOMETHING IN ADDITION IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT I, I THINK THAT A MOMENT OF ART AS A PART OF OUR STRUCTURE FOR A MEETING ONCE A MONTH IS A WAY OF DEMONSTRATING A REAL CITY COMMITMENT TO ART.

BUT , I'M GONNA REBUT THE BUTT .

UM, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ACTUALLY.

I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE BOTH SAYING.

AND TO BE HONEST, PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING BACK THREE YEARS FROM NOW TO LOOK AT A LAND USE, THEY'RE FAST FORWARDING THROUGH EVERYTHING UNTIL THEY GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE COUNCIL HAD TO SAY.

SO I DON'T THINK MEMORIALIZING IT AND MEMORIALIZES IT THE WAY YOU, YOU HOPE IT IS BEING MEMORIALIZED.

I THINK EXPOSING PEOPLE TO ART IS, IT'S A HARD TASK NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.

UM, PEOPLE EITHER LOVE ART OR THEY DON'T LOVE ART AND, UM, THEY LIKE MUSIC OR THEY DON'T LIKE MUSIC, OR THEY LIKE THAT ARTIST, BUT NOT THIS ARTIST.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S TASTE, IT'S OBJECTIVE.

UM, IT DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY PHYSICALLY ON WHAT YOU CAN HEAR AND WHAT YOU CAN SEE.

SO I THINK GIVING OUR ARTISTS MORE OF A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THEIR ART AND TO, TO SPEND MORE TIME LISTENING TO WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO GIVE THEM AS FEEDBACK ON THEIR ART AND GIVING THOSE PEOPLE TIME TO EXPLORE THAT ART.

I, I THINK THAT DOES HONOR THE ARTIST MORE THAN THE FEW MINUTES WE GIVE THEM.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO COME AND HURRY AND SET UP IF THEY'RE DOING MUSIC OVER HERE IN THE CORNER AND THEN THEY'RE TRIPPING OVER THE CHAIRS THAT ARE OVER THERE AND YOU GOTTA GET THE SPEAKERS SET UP AND THEN YOU GET ALL OF THAT DONE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW YOU'VE GOTTA GET ALL THAT OUT OF HERE, UM, WHILE WE START THE MEETING.

SO I, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, OF AN EXPANDED TIME.

HOWEVER, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT REQUIRES MORE EFFORT ON THE PART OF STAFF.

UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOTTA COORDINATE WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE ON THE USE OF THE, THE SPACE.

YOUR TIME HAS TO BE DEDICATED OR APPARENTLY BARBARA'S TIME AND WILL NOW BE DEDICATED.

WE'RE WILLING TO HAVE TIME SPENT ON THEM AND THEIR ART.

UM, BUT SOMEBODY'S STAFF TIME HAS TO BE DEDICATED TO SETTING THAT UP, MONITORING IT, CLEARING IT OUT, MAKING SURE EVERYTHING ELSE IS DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ROOM IS SET UP BACK THE WAY IT WAS.

THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT MOMENT OF THE ART.

AND I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE GO FORWARD WITH THESE IDEAS.

AND, UM, I, I AGREE ON THE ONE HAND THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE OUR ARTISTS GET MORE TIME AND I WOULD LOVE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN ON CITY SPACE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE SAY AS A CITY, WE ARE COMMITTED TO THE LOCAL ARTISTS THAT WE HAVE HERE AND

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AND IT IS SORT OF LIKE HAVING A POET LAUREATE WHO NEVER GETS TO SAY MORE THAN ONE POEM.

WHEN THEY HAVE A WHOLE COLLECTION.

SO, UM, I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING IS I HEAR YOU, BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE BURDEN OF THIS IS ON STAFF BEFORE I WOULD, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE A COMMITMENT.

IT'S ALREADY A BURDEN ON YOU, BUT NOW IT WOULD BE A BIGGER BURDEN BEFORE HOLLY.

ANNETTE LOOKS LIKE SHE WANTS TO.

UM, THANK YOU MARY.

UM, WELL I WAS JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, WE DO SET UP FOR MEETINGS ALL THE TIME AND DO A LOT OF, UM, THAT TYPE OF WORK ALREADY.

UM, SO I THINK MAYBE IT WOULD BE MARGINAL INCREASE IN EFFORT.

UM, AND THEN JOANNE, OUR CITY CLERK JUST REMINDED ME THAT OUR STREAMING SERVICE PROVIDER THAT LIKE IS STREAMING OUR MEETING RIGHT NOW, OUR LICENSE DOES COME WITH SOME EXTRA STREAMING TIME.

AND SO WE COULD, UM, USE THAT TO LIVE STREAM ANY MOMENT OF ART EXTRA EVENT THAT WE DID WITHOUT ANY EXTRA CHARGE TO US.

UM, SO I WOULD SAY WE COULD TRY IT AND SEE HOW IT GOES.

UM, AND JUST SEE IF IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF EFFORT OR NOT.

AND, UM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD PROBABLY MAKE IT WORK.

VICE M AND I I HAVE AN OPINION YES, BUT , UH, THEY'RE DIFFERENT AUDIENCES.

AND I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO DO BOTH.

UH, THE, I GO TO MOST OF THE RECEPTIONS FOR THE ARTISTS AND IT DOESN'T DRAW THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

IT DRAWS THE ARTS COMMUNITY AND THE ARTISTS, UH, FRIENDS AND, UH, COLLECTORS.

SO, AND IT'S LOVELY FOR THE ARTIST AND THEY REALLY ENJOY IT.

AND I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT HAVING THE GENERAL PUBLIC, UH, IT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE WHICH MOMENT OF ART ACTUALLY DOES BECAUSE THE ROOMS ALWAYS FILLED UP MORE CAPTIVE AUDIENCE.

IT IS CAPTIVE.

AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE FOR LAND USE ISSUES ARE GETTING TO EXPERIENCE SOMETHING THEY WOULD NOT COME HERE TO EXPERIENCE IF IT WAS SOLELY AN ART EXPERIENCE.

AND THAT MIGHT TRIGGER SOMETHING FOR THEM.

I PLUS I ENJOY IT ACTUALLY.

I ENJOY IT A LOT.

I THINK PERHAPS THE LARGER, LIKE WE HAD THE OTHER NIGHT IS MAY NOT BE THE BEST USE OF THE MOMENT OF ART BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS TOO LABOR INTENSIVE.

I JUST WENT WITH IT.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THEY WERE GONNA BRING THAT MANY PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE THAT WE, WE COULD SCALE BACK ON THAT TYPE.

UH, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT IT DOES BRING A BEAUTIFUL EXPERIENCE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE AND THEY, AND THE ENERGY IN THE ROOM IS DIFFERENT.

WELL, IT, IT WAS, AND THAT TUESDAY THING WAS THE MOST ENERGETIC THING WE'VE DONE HERE.

SO I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE BETTER MOMENT OF ART THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE.

SO TO BRIAN'S POINT, THE MOMENT OF ART, I MEAN, USUALLY I LOOK AT THE CLOCK, I WATCH IT, IT TURNS IN FROM 15 MINUTES OR LONGER.

AND OUR MEETINGS, I'M, I'M SURE NO ONE'S NOTICED THAT OUR MEETINGS HAVE BEEN GOING LATE INTO THE NIGHT.

SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

I WANT TO KEEP OUR MEETINGS SHORTER AND, AND I'M TRYING TO KEEP THEM MORE ON POINT AND PROGRESSIVE TO THE RIGHT TIMEFRAME.

BUT I TOO AM AMAZED AT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU BRING THE CHILDREN HERE, I'M IN AWE WHEN I WATCH THESE CHILDREN.

I MEAN THE, THE, THE WOMAN, THE YOUNG GIRL WHO STOOD ON HER HANDS AND DID THE ARROW WITH HER FEET, I MEAN OH YEAH, THE CONTORTIONIST.

WHERE DO YOU SEE THAT? YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S INSPIRING.

BUT THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE ONE OF THOSE QUARTERLY EVENTS THAT YOU HAVE FOR TWO HOURS.

UM, SO I'M TORN.

I DON'T WANNA GIVE IT UP AT ALL.

AND I DO FEEL THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE A TWO HOUR, UH, IDEA THAT YOU'RE COMING UP WITH.

WHETHER WE KEEP IT AS A MOMENT OF ART DURING THE COUNCIL MEETING.

I AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR.

IT, YOU BRING PEOPLE IN THAT WOULD NOT NORMALLY NOT BE PARTAKING IN IT AND IT MAY INSPIRE THEM, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE A LAND USE SOMETHING GOING AND WE HAVE DEVELOPERS AND THEY SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

MANY OF ARE NOT FROM THE CITY.

SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT BOTH OR IF WE CAN KEEP THE MOMENT OF ART AT, DURING A COUNCIL MEETING TO A MOMENT.

I DON'T THINK IT GIVES JUSTICE.

SO AGAIN, I'M TORN 'CAUSE I WANNA DO BOTH.

SO I'M OPEN TO EVERYBODY ELSE HERE.

HOW WAS THAT ISLAND WORKING FOR YOU? BRIAN .

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I'M GONNA WEIGH BACK IN.

BUT DEREK'S ALSO WAITING .

YEAH, I KNOW MELISSA FIRST I JUST, I JUST WANNA PROPOSE A COMPROMISE IN THE CONVERSATION.

I LIKE THAT.

GO AHEAD.

SO THE COMPROMISE IS, LET'S SAY WE DO THIS LONGER ONE WHERE THE ARTIST ACTUALLY GETS TO BE THE ARTIST AS OPPOSED TO, UM, THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, SHALL WE SAY, OF THE ARTIST OR THE FIRST STANDS OF THE POEM.

AND THE MOMENT OF ART COULD BE THAT SAME ARTIST LIKE A TASTER.

SO WE BRING THEM IN, THEY GET TO DO JUST A FEW MINUTES TO, TO RAISE AWARENESS FOR THE LONGER PROGRAM THAT WILL BE FOLLOWING WHENEVER, COULD BE FOLLOWING THE COUNCIL MEETING.

WHAT OR, OR, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER DAY OF THAT WEEK OR RIGHT.

WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

AND, AND THAT'S A , I GONNA SAY THAT AT, AT MIDNIGHT I WASN'T GONNA GO THERE.

SO, UM, BUT, BUT THAT WAY YOU SORT OF COMPROMISE.

YOU GET TO SORT OF KEEP BOTH SORTS OF IDEAS.

BUT NOW WE'RE SAYING MOMO ART HAS TO BE REALLY SHORT.

WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE ANYTHING THAT LASTS 20 MINUTES OR 30 MINUTES BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE HERE TILL MIDNIGHT.

AND UM, WE WOULD, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL.

AND UM, THE LONGER ONE JUST GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, NOT COME SET UP, PLAY THEIR PIECE AND THEN RUN OUT THE DOOR AND NOT INTERFERE WITH COUNSEL.

SO YOU WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDER YOU, YOU GET THEM TO UNDERSTAND THE IDEA IS THIS IS JUST A TASTER, WE'RE TRYING TO DRIVE THEM TO THE BIGGER ONE.

THAT, THAT THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT.

I DEFER TO THE NEW GUY.

DID YOU HAVE A, UM, IF THE CONCERN IS THE MEETING'S RUNNING LATE, WE CAN EXERCISE A LITTLE SELF DISCIPLINE .

OH GOD.

EVERY COUNCIL HAS TRIED THAT.

IT'S NEVER WORKED WELL.

SHE'S JUST GOTTEN BETTER LATELY.

BUT YOU JUST REVEALED THAT YOU'RE NEW GUY , BUT AS SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE EARLY MEETINGS OR LATE MEETINGS, UM, I MEAN WE CAN, I DON'T WANT SHORT CHANGE MOMENT OF ART.

JUST SO WE CAN GET OUT 10 OR 15 MINUTES EARLIER.

OH, I, I GET IT PERSONALLY, BUT RIGHT.

UM, THAT WOULD BE, AND I SAY THAT AS SOMEBODY WHO'S SAT HERE QUIET.

I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE I SAID ANYTHING YESTERDAY.

SO YOU.

THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ENTITLED TO TAKE AN EXTRA MINUTE IF YOU WANT.

OKAY, WELL I'M DONE.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, IT TOOK AN HOUR.

I, I TIMED IT, IT TOOK AN HOUR BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GOT TO A YEAH.

ON TUESDAY MM-HMM .

BECAUSE WE HAD THE MOMENT OF ART, THE 15 MINUTE MOMENT OF ART.

I MEAN WE HAD, UM, THE OPEN FORUM.

NO, WELL NOW I WASN'T EVEN THINKING ABOUT THE OPEN FORUM.

WE HAD THE RECOGNITION OF YEAH.

THE RECOGNITION AND THE THIS AND THEN THAT, BUT IT WAS FIVE 30 WHEN WE ACTUALLY STARTED BUSINESS.

THEY, THEY DON'T, BUT, AND THAT WAS REALLY SPECTACULAR.

BUT IT, IT, AND PLUS WE, PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW WE WERE HERE AN HOUR EARLIER.

BECAUSE WE HAD THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

SO IT'S A LONG DAY FOR ALL THIS.

SO MAYOR, I WANT TO ASK MELISSA, SO YOUR COMPROMISE IS ON, ON EVERY FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH.

THERE'S A MOMENT AND THEN SOME LATER SCHEDULED BIG MOMENT.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

AND WE CAN PROMOTE IT AT THAT MOMENT OF OUR YEAH, SO THE IDEA IS IT IS IN ESSENCE THE PROMOTION THAT YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY, WHEN YOU GO AND TALK ABOUT NACO OR WE TALK ABOUT THE LIBRARY, WHATEVER, THAT'S SORT OF THAT, THAT THAT COMMUNITY MENTION, WE GOT THIS COMING, IT STAYS REALLY SHORT JUST SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT.

AND THEN NANCY CAN ANNOUNCE WHEN THE FULL THING IS GOING TO BE AND HOW, AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO RUN.

IF, IF THAT THE ARTIST WOULD ACTUALLY BE HERE TO DO THE PROMOTION.

NO, NO.

THE ARTIST WOULD DO THEIR MOMENT AS THE TASTER, BUT NANCY CAN THEN FILL IN ON, I THINK WE'RE MICROMANAGING .

WELL, BUT I I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF YOU WANT, DON'T DO THAT.

I'M NOT TRYING TO MICROMANAGE, I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY I DON'T CARE WHO DOES IT.

THE IDEA IS IT'S A TASTER AND THEN YOU GOTTA LET THEM KNOW, I'M SORRY, EDGE PRIORITIES WORKSHOP AND WE'RE MICROMANAGING MOMENT OF ART.

I THINK THE QUESTION IS DO WE, DO WE WANNA MESS WITH THE MOMENT OF ART AS IT EXISTS NOW GIVE THAT DIRECTION AND IF THERE'S ANOTHER EXPANDED PROGRAM, GIVE THAT DIRECTION.

BUT WE ARE WAY OFF BASE.

GOT IT.

SO, UH, IS THERE INTEREST TO HAVE A, A QUARTERLY, UH, TWO HOUR SEPARATE EVENT? I THINK THAT THERE, BUT MAYOR, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT MELISSA JUST WELL, BUT THAT'S WHAT I JUST ASKED HER TO CLARIFY.

WHAT, AND WE WOULD HAVE THAT TEASER BEFOREHAND AT THE MOMENT.

A REGULAR MOMENT OF ART.

BUT THAT'S ONCE A MONTH, NOT ONCE A QUARTER.

WELL I, WE'RE GONNA GET THERE AND, AND THEN KATHY JUST REMINDS US THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING TOO MUCH .

WELL I THINK, I THINK WE'RE MORE MICROMANAGING WHEN WE SAY HOW OFTEN IT'S GONNA BE.

SO YES, I THINK WE HAVE HEARD GENERALLY, I, I THINK WE HAVE A SENSE FOR

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WHAT YOU WANNA TRY.

UM, AND WE CAN GO BACK AND FIGURE IT OUT.

YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO FIGURE IT OUT AND, UM, TAKING EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION.

THAT WAS JUST SAID AND THAT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA.

I HAD THOUGHT OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT IT ALSO DEPENDS ON SCHEDULING.

SOME ARTISTS MAY NOT WANNA DO A TWO HOUR THING.

THEY'RE SHY.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU GET AN HOUR.

WE DON'T KNOW.

SO IT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE YET, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS, ANNETTE, AND I'LL SIT DOWN, WE'LL GO OVER IT, WE'LL COME UP WITH A PLAN AND WE'LL SEE HOW WE CAN ACCOMMODATE BOTH IDEAS.

AND I ALSO WANNA JUST ADD, I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY TRY AND I'M VERY COGNIZANT OF DURATION AND I TELL THEM SEVEN MINUTES.

I KNOW YOU DO.

AND MY, I TRY TO TALK FAST, WHICH I TALK VERY FAST, BUT, UM, FOR MY SPEECH, LIKE ONE MINUTE INTRO TO KEEP IT UNDER 10.

BUT THIS WAS A VERY ELABORATE ONE, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE PIECES WERE THREE MINUTES EACH, IT ADDED UP WITH THE SETUP AND, AND TAKE DOWN AND ALL THAT.

SO I TRY, BUT, OKAY.

THANK YOU DEREK.

UH, COUNCIL FAST.

SO BRIAN'S STILL ONE FOOT AND ONE FOOT OUT.

I'M HAPPY TO YIELD ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED.

AND I DO THINK IT WAS WORTHWHILE, THE TIME SPENT.

SO YES, THANK YOU.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

WE ACTUALLY MADE SOME PROGRESS.

ALRIGHT, NANCY, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE? THAT'S IT, BUT I'M GONNA END ONLY BECAUSE THIS IS SEDONA AND I'M AN ARTIST.

I JUST FEEL LIKE I WANNA END ON THIS.

I, EVERY DAY I PICK AN INSPIRATIONAL CARD AND TODAY I PICKED CAREER, IT'S TIME TO ADD ENERGY, EXTRA ENERGY TO YOUR CAREER AREA.

SO I'M HERE TO ADD MORE.

UM, AND I'LL WORK WITH ANNETTE ON ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DESIRE FROM WHATEVER THE INITIATIVES WERE.

AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE WHEN I HEAR BACK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HOW WAS IT? THANKS NANCY.

ALRIGHT, NEXT UP.

OKAY, UM, AGAIN, UNDER THE COMMUNITY GOAL, THIS, UH, PORTION, EXCUSE ME, IS YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

UM, IS INTENDED TO HIGHLIGHT HOW THE CITY, UM, HAS A SMALL INVESTMENT PROGRAM IN OUR NONPROFIT COMMUNITY, UM, TO SUPPORT WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND, UH, SERVICES THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY ON OUR BEHALF.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SMALL GRANT PROGRAM.

UM, IT PREVIOUSLY WAS, I BELIEVE, UM, IN THE AMOUNT OF $200,000 AND IN YOUR PRIORITY SETTING.

UM, I GUESS TWO TIMES AGO, COUNCIL INCREASED THE AMOUNT ALLOCATED TO THAT PROGRAM TO THREE 50 AND CREATED THE FORMULA OF HOW THAT WOULD BE ALLOCATED OUT.

WE HAVE A REALLY STRONG, UH, VOLUNTEER COMMITTEE THAT REVIEWS ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MEETING WHAT COUNCIL'S CRITERIA ARE AND, UM, WHAT WILL BE FUNDED.

AND THEN THAT COMES BACK TO YOU AT THE END OF THE BUDGET PROCESS TO APPROVE.

WE HAVE CONTRACTS WITH THE EACH OF THESE NONPROFITS FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SPENDING THE FUNDS THE WAY THAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA SPEND THE FUNDS.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THIS HERE, YOU GRANTED 30 PROJECTS, UH, RANGING FROM A THOUSAND DOLLARS TO $40,000.

UM, SO LET'S SEE HERE.

UM, SO FIRST QUESTION IS AROUND, UM, JUST RECONFIRMING THAT YOU STILL WANNA SUPPORT THE PROGRAM AT THIS AMOUNT.

WE DID GET A REQUEST FROM A COUPLE OF THE APPLICANTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE POT THE LAST FEW YEARS ABOUT, UH, WHETHER THE ARTS PORTION SHOULD BE SEPARATED OUT FROM THE FORMULA AND FUNDED, UM, SEPARATELY FROM THE SMALL GRANT PROGRAM, UM, AT SOME AMOUNT.

UM, SO I TOLD THE FOLKS THAT BROUGHT THAT REQUEST TO ME, UM, THAT I WOULD BRING IT UP TO YOU ALL AS PART OF PRIORITY SETTING.

AND THEN IF THAT WAS OF INTEREST TO YOU, WE WOULD FOLD IT INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS TO SEE WHAT WE COULD AFFORD TO DO IF YOU WANTED TO SEPARATE OUT ARTS, UM, ORGANIZATIONS, UM, DIFFERENTLY FROM THIS PROCESS, WHICH IS COMPETITIVE.

UM, THE PROPOSAL I RECEIVED WAS THAT THE ART SUPPORT WOULD NOT BE A COMPETITIVE PROCESS.

IT WOULD BE TREATED MORE LIKE A COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACT, WHICH YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IS LIKE THE HUMANE SOCIETY, THE SENIOR CENTER, UM, THE RECYCLE CENTER WHO ARE DELIVERING THOSE SERVICES ON OUR BEHALF SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT IN HOUSE.

UM, AND SO I WOULD JUST OPEN IT UP TO YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHETHER YOU WOULD WANT TO TREAT, UM, OUR ARTS ORGANIZATIONS AS COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDERS INDEPENDENT OF THE SMALL GRANT PROGRAM.

YEAR THAT IN YEARS PAST THE, UH, THERE WAS A DIRECT CONTRIBUTION OR DIRECTED, UM, SPENDING TO THE ARTS AND THEN IT WAS CHANGED IN 2009, SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT AREA, UH, BY THE THEN COUNCIL BASED ON ONE MEMBER'S BELIEF THAT IT VIOLATED THE, UH, GIFT, THE GIFT TAX, WHICH THE CITY ATTORNEY DIDN'T AGREE WITH.

VICE MAYOR, UH, THE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST

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BUT ANYWAY, GOT COUNSEL NERVOUS AND THEN THEY CHANGED IT.

I, I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING ON A, ON THE STATE LEVEL, WHICH IS THAT THE ARTS COMMISSION HAS, DOES NOT HAVE A, A BUDGET OF ITS OWN.

SO EVERY YEAR IT HAS TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE SOMEBODY PUTS IT IN THE BUDGET.

AND LAST YEAR, BECAUSE OF THE HUGE DEFICIT THAT THE STATE HAD, IT WAS BASICALLY ZEROED OUT.

AND THEN AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE, A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS WAS PUT IN, BUT WHICH WAS ABOUT WHAT, 20% OF, OR 30% OF WHAT THEY NORMALLY GOT.

AND THAT MONEY IS FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE ORGANIZATIONS.

OUR SMALL GRANT PROGRAM DOES NOT ALLOW FOR OPERATIONS.

IT ALLOWS FOR PROJECTS.

SO THE LOSS CAN'T BE MADE UP THROUGH THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM, BUT WE COULD CHANGE THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM TO ALLOW IT FOR OPERATIONS THE DAY-TO-DAY RUNNING AS THE ARTS COMMISSION ALLOWS.

'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA GET BETTER.

UH, THE, AND THIS, THIS WOULD BE TRUE FOR SOME OTHER THINGS AS WELL, BUT, BUT FOR PARTICULARLY FOR THE ARTS, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A BUDGET ALLOCATION, THE, UH, THINKS AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, WHICH WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

BUT SOME OF THE PROPOSALS HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON, COULD HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON THE STATE, ONE OF THEM BEING MEDICAID.

SO THE IDEA THAT THE, THE STATE SPENDS $21 BILLION, $21 BILLION ON MEDICAID.

IT IMPACTS 1.7 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE STATE GET MEDICAID FUNDING.

42% OF WHICH ARE CHILDREN.

AND THE STATE, UH, DID MEDICAID EXPANSION IN 2015, I THINK IT WAS.

AND THERE'S A TRIGGER IN THERE.

THE TRIGGER SAYS THAT IF THE, AND THE MEDICAID EXPANSION, THE FEDS PAY 90% AND ON REGULAR MEDICAID, THEY PAY MORE LIKE 52%.

SO THERE'S A TRIGGER IN OUR STATE LAW THAT SAYS THAT IF THAT MONEY FOR MEDICAID EXPANSION IS REDUCED, THEN THE STATE'S NOT GOING TO EXPAND MEDICAID.

SO A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, WOULD BE KICKED OFF OF MEDICAID.

WHICH MEANS THAT THE LEGISLATURE'S GONNA HAVE TO FACE THE SITUATION OF WHETHER THEY'RE REALLY WILLING TO DO THIS OR THE STATE'S GONNA MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE IN WHOLE OR IN PART.

AND THAT IS GOING TO POTENTIALLY HAPPEN IN THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION AS WELL AS, UH, PROP 2 0 3, WHICH IS EDUCATION.

THEY HAVE TO FIND THE MONEY FOR THAT.

SO SOME BIG TICKET ITEMS, WHERE WILL THE ARTS COME OUT AND ALL OF THAT.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE NECESSARILY A HIGH PRIORITY.

THEY ALREADY ARE CUT DOWN TO MINIMUM.

SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, DO WE WANT TO HELP MAKE UP SOME OF THAT LOSS OF FUNDING, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS GOING TO COME BACK IN, IN FULL THIS SESSION AND MAKE IT WORSE.

AND IF WE DO, HOW DO WE WANNA DO IT? AND SECONDLY, IF WE DON'T, ARE WE WILLING TO CHANGE OUR SMALL GRANT PRIORITIES THAT WOULD ALLOW AT LEAST THE SMALL GRANTS TO BE ALLOWED FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE ORGANIZATIONS? AND THEN DO WE WANT TO PULL OUT, I THINK IT WAS JUST TWO ORGANIZATIONS WANTED TO BE PULLED OUT 'CAUSE THEY WERE THE LARGEST ONES, WHICH WAS THE FILM FESTIVAL AND THE ARTS CENTER.

SO ANYWAY, THERE'S, THOSE ARE I THINK, WHAT WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT.

AND THEN WHETHER WE WANT TO INCREASE THE SMALL GRANT PROGRAM FUNDING OR HOW WE WANNA DO THIS.

BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FACING.

AND SO A LOT OF THESE TWO ORGANIZATIONS, THE ART CENTER AND THE FILM FESTIVAL ARE, ARE PART OF, OF WHAT DRAWS PEOPLE ALSO TO COME

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TO SEDONA AS TOURISTS.

IT'S NOT JUST THE RED ROCKS, BUT THEY'VE GOT PROGRAMMING YEAR ROUND.

ALTHOUGH THE FILM FESTIVAL HAS ITS MAJOR EVENT IN FEBRUARY DURING A SLOW SEASON IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND, UH, AND THE ART CENTER HAS, UH, THEIR BIG EVENT IN OCTOBER, WHICH IS THE, UH, PLE AIR FESTIVAL, BUT ALSO BRINGS IN, UM, ARTISTS ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT HAVE A FOLLOWING, A NATIONAL FOLLOWING.

AND SO THOSE PEOPLE COME TO TAKE COURSES AND WORKSHOPS.

UH, IN FACT, JUST RECENTLY WHEN I CAME BACK FROM NEW YORK WHEN I WAS IN THE SHUTTLE, THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE THERE WHO WERE COMING FOR THAT, FOR THE WORKSHOP THAT WEEKEND.

UH, 'CAUSE THEY FOLLOWED THAT ARTIST.

SO THEY'RE BRINGING IN, UH, TOURISTS AND THEY'RE BRINGING IN PEOPLE WHO WE WANT AS, AS TOURISTS.

AND, UH, AND SO I THINK THAT THEY RUN PROGRAMS YEAR ROUND AND, UH, AND THEY'RE GOOD, UH, ATTRACTING THE RIGHT KIND OF PEOPLE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

ANYBODY, ANYBODY ELSE? MELISSA, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, FOR KURT.

UM, IF, IF, UH, YOU HAD, IF A SERVICE CONTRACT FOR AN ART FORM, WHETHER IT'S CIF OR IT'S THE ART CENTER, DOES THAT, WOULD THAT QUALIFY FOR, UM, A, A CITY SERVICE CONTRACT THE SAME AS THE RECYCLING CENTER OR, 'CAUSE IT'S VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF THING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU STRUCTURED IT AND EXACTLY WHAT THE SERVICE WAS FOR.

BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT.

IT, IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

UH, AND TO ME IT FITS MORE IN THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM THAN LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, THE LIBRARY OR THE RECYCLE CENTER.

SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, HAVING HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THE INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED, THIS IS NOT A SMALL GRANT THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.

THIS IS A FAIRLY LARGE AMOUNT.

UM, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE SMALL GRANTS WHO ARE DOING ARTS, THE CHILDREN'S THEATER, AND, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, PUBLIC PERFORMANCE.

AND I, I DON'T WANNA SEE THOSE KINDS OF ARTS SORT OF GET SHUNTED ASIDE BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE MONEY IS NOW GOING TOWARDS TWO ORGANIZATIONS.

AND I GRANT YOU AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY BRING PEOPLE IN AND, AND THEY ARE, UM, THEY ARE A CONTINUOUS BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.

BUT I THINK HAVING THE EXPOSURE OF CHILDREN, UM, TO THEATER AND ALL THAT, I THINK ALL THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT AS WELL.

IT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO THE ART SIDE OF THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS SEPARATED FROM THE NON-ART SIDE OF THIS.

AND, UM, I DON'T WANT US TO LOSE SIGHT OF THAT.

AND IF, IF IT'S NOT CORRECT FOR US TO THINK OF THESE AS SERVICE CONTRACTS FOR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY, THEN TO JUST SAY TO THE ARTS SIDE OF IT, IT'S NO LONGER COMPETITIVE FOR ALL THE LITTLE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO, TO GET FUNDS.

BECAUSE THESE GUYS ARE GONNA WANT A HUGE AMOUNT OF THAT PIE.

YOU KNOW, ARE WE REALLY TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE WAY THE PIE IS SHAPED AND MAKING THIS NOT ABOUT, LIKE, THERE'S SOMETHING FOR THE ARTS THAT ARE NOT THESE TWO CONTINUOUS SETS OF EVENTS PROVIDERS, AND THEN THERE'S SOMETHING FOR THEM.

I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS HERE, BUT I WOULD HATE TO SEE OUR SMALL ARTS PROVIDERS OF COURSE, GETTING SHUNTED TO THE SIDE FOR THIS JUST BECAUSE WE PUT MORE MONEY IN, OR THAT NOW WE HAVE TO SAY, NEEDS TO BE USED FOR OPERATIONS, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO FOR SERVICE CONTRACTS.

UM, AND 'CAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE NO SENSE FOR THEM.

SO ON THAT, AND THEN WE'LL GET TO KATHY, COULD I, I CONSIDER THIS PROPOSAL TO BE MORE TOURISM RELATED IF WE WANT TO, WE'VE ALWAYS SAID WE WANNA BRING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, AS MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE FOCUSED ON SEDONA CENTRIC, LIKE THE ARTS, COULD WE USE TOURISM MONEY? YOU KNOW, THE, UH, UH, BED TAX OR WHAT WE WOULD PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, OUR MARKETING TEAM.

COULD WE, CAN IT COME OUT OF THAT MONEY AND BECAUSE IT'S REALLY USED TO ATTRACT PEOPLE HERE, KURT.

THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR THAT.

BUT I MEAN, THAT POOL IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS.

IT'S LIKE ONE AND A HALF MILLION.

UM, AND IT'S GETS SPENT JUST ON THE CITY'S OWN DEPARTMENT.

I MEAN, WE, WE PAY FOR THE VISITOR CENTER DIRECT NON-COMPETITIVE FIRST SERVICES.

BUT THAT COULD BE CHANGED AS WELL.

YOUR MARKET, HOWEVER YOU WANT.

IT'S FOR THE, UH, FOR TOURISM, UH, PROMOTION AND MANAGEMENT.

I THINK THAT MONEY CAN BE SPENT ON ANYTHING RELATED.

TOURISM, RIGHT? WELL, WE'RE, THE VISITOR CENTER TAKES UP $400,000.

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WELL, I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

WELL, I THINK THE, I THINK THE BUDGETARY PIECE FOR US, AND WHAT I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN HEARING IS, UM, YOUR INTEREST IN BASICALLY INCREASING THE PIE.

NOT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH SMALL GRANTS OR IT'S ADDING TO THE TOURISM BUDGET OR WHATEVER, UM, VERSUS, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, A ZERO SUM GAME WHERE I HAVE TO REDUCE SOMETHING ELSE IN ORDER TO DEDICATE MORE MONEY TO THE ART FUNDING.

SO I WOULD BE HESITANT TO CUT THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT BUDGET IN ORDER TO FUND.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT SPECIFICALLY IN THE ARTS COMMUNITY, THAT THAT WOULD BE DIRECTION TO ME TO SEE WHERE THERE'S A, AN ADD IN FOR IT VERSUS A REDUCTION TO SOME OTHER CURRENT PROGRAM.

NOW BRIAN, ARE YOU RELATED TO THIS? 'CAUSE KATHY WAS FIRST, IT'S ALL ONE TOPIC.

MAYBE THAT'S FAIRLY NEW LEVEL.

KATHY, AND THEN BRIAN, I'M GONNA STICK WITH OUR PIE BAKING ANALOGIES HERE.

TO ME, UM, THIS ISN'T ABOUT CUTTING UP THE PIE DIFFERENTLY.

IT'S CREATE, IT'S BAKING A NEW PIE, RIGHT? UM, I, I SHARE COUNCILWOMAN DUNN'S CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, THE COMPETITIVENESS FOR THE OTHER SMALLER PROGRAMS THAT EXIST.

I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT MESSED WITH.

I LIKE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY A DIFFERENT PROGRAM EACH YEAR.

IT'S SOMEBODY COMES WITH A, WITH A DANCE PROGRAM FOR YOUTH, AND THE NEXT TIME THEY COME WITH A AERIALIST PROGRAM FOR SENIORS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

RIGHT? SO I DON'T WANNA MESS WITH THAT.

THAT BEING SAID, I DO WANT MORE SUPPORT FOR, FOR THE ARTS.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT COMES FROM TOURISM OR IT FROM THE ARTS, BUT IS IT A THAT WE HAVE A, I MEAN, AND THE WORD GRANTS IS, IS ONE THAT'S, I THINK, A SCARY WORD TO PEOPLE.

'CAUSE WHO WANTS TO KEEP APPLYING FOR GRANTS OVER AND OVER, RIGHT? BUT I MEAN, THE, THE GRANTS COULD BE STRUCTURED IN A WAY THAT IT'S, UH, AN EASIER PROCESS IF YOU MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA OR SOMETHING.

BUT I THINK WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS EITHER NOT MESSING WITH THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM, BUT CREATING EITHER A LARGE GRANTS PROGRAM OR A ARTS SUPPORT CONTRACT PROGRAM THAT MEET.

BUT IT'S, FOR ME, IT'S ABOUT THE CRITERIA.

BECAUSE I DO SEE THESE SPECIFICALLY TWO ORGANIZATIONS, THE ART CENTER AND THE FILM FESTIVAL AS TICKING OFF A LOT OF BOXES, A LOT OF COM, A LOT OF NEEDS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THAT THEY'RE ARTS.

IT IS ABOUT THAT THEY DO, FIRST OF ALL, THEY'RE SUSTAINED.

THEY DO SERVE LOCALS.

I MEAN, ALTHOUGH THE FILM FESTIVAL IN FEBRUARY IS ONE THING, WHO'S GOING TO THE THEATER HERE THAT'S SUSTAINED ALL YEAR LONG? IT'S OUR COMMUNITY RESIDENTS, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO THIS, IT, IT SERVES COMMUNITY WHO'S GOING TO THE ART PROGRAMS AT THE CENTER? YES, THEY HAVE THE PLAIN AIR FESTIVAL AND SOMETHING THAT COMES IN AND BRINGS A GOOD INFLUX.

BUT WHO'S GOING EVERY WEEK FOR A SIX WEEK PROGRAM OR AN EIGHT WEEK PROGRAM ON THAT POTTERY WHEEL? IT'S A LOCAL, RIGHT? SO THIS IS A WAY TO, WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT, WE JUST HAD THE DISCUSSION BEFORE ABOUT WHAT IS OUR COMMITMENT TO THE, TO THE ARTS, RIGHT? THIS IS A WAY OF OUR COMMITMENT TO THE ARTS SERVING OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY AS WELL AS ITS AS, UH, SUPPORTING ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO BRING IN TAX DOLLARS TO THAT SUPPORT.

THE TOURISM THAT WE'VE BEEN STRIVING TO ATTAIN.

THIS MODEL HAS BEEN ONGOING.

UH, THIS ISN'T THEM CREATING THIS OUTTA NOWHERE, THAT TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHO WE WANT.

THEY'VE BEEN PROVIDING CONSISTENTLY THE TYPE OF, UM, VISITORS THAT WE'VE BEEN MODELING.

SO THANKS TO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS.

SO AGAIN, I, I DON'T WANNA MESS WITH THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM.

I REALLY, I REALLY DON'T.

AND I LIKE THE 40, 40 20 SPLIT.

MAYBE THAT'S 'CAUSE IT WAS MY IDEA, BUT WHATEVER.

BUT , BUT I DO, I LIKE THE FACT THAT THERE'S A A 20% DISCRETIONARY, UH, FOR THE COMMITTEE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S EMPOWERING TO THE COMMITTEE.

I THINK IT HELPS THE COMPETITIVENESS OF THE PROGRAMS. I JUST DON'T WANNA HURT ANY OF THOSE, THOSE SMALLER, VERY VALUABLE, UM, PROGRAMS THAT HAPPEN.

BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A CARVE OUT IN SOMETHING NEW CREATED, AS I SAID, EITHER AN ARTS SUPPORT CONTRACTS PROGRAM WITH CRITERIA OR A LARGE GRANTS PROGRAM WITH CRITERIA AS WELL.

SO THE QUESTION ISN'T, AND I, I, IF, IF WE ARE CREATING THAT, WHICH I, I DO HOPE THERE'LL BE CONSIDERATION, THEN I DON'T THINK IT'S THE RIGHT YEAR TO MESS WITH THE FUNDING THAT LEVEL THAT EXISTS FOR THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM.

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ANYWAY.

I WOULD LEAVE THAT AT THREE 50 AND LEAVE IT ALONE.

BUT WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT POT OF MONEY, WHAT AMOUNT, HOW BIG THAT POT WILL BE, WOULD GO INTO WHAT I THINK IS REALLY MORE OF A NEW PROGRAM TO BE CREATED THAT WOULD, AND AGAIN, WE WOULD'VE TO PUT SOMETHING IN THAT YOU CAN'T APPLY FOR BOTH IF YOU'RE APPLYING FOR A CONTRACT OR A LARGE GRANT PROGRAM, YOU CANNOT APPLY IN THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM.

IT'S TO PROTECT THE LITTLE GUY WHILE WE NURTURE THOSE WHO HAVE NURTURED US IN THE BIGGER PLAYERS.

I WANTED TO, TO DEFER WITH ANNETTE, 'CAUSE I THINK SHE WAS GOING TO CHIME IN AND THEN WE'LL GO TO BRIAN.

AND THEN PETE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? MM-HMM .

DEREK, DO YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING BEFORE I GO TO BRIAN? UH, NO.

I, I'M HAPPY TO CHIME IN AT THE END A LITTLE WRAP UP.

BUT WHAT I HEARD, OKAY.

COULD YOU WERE JUST GOING TO THE MIC WHEN BARBARA CAME OVER TO YOU, .

OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

BRIAN, IF MONEY WERE NO OBJECT, YOU HAD ME AT HELLO OF VICE MAYOR.

AND PATRICK.

BUT I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS FROM A MUCH HIGHER BUDGETARY LEVEL OVERALL.

AND YOU KNOW, HOLLY, THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED YOUR SETUP FOR THE ASK IT, IT IS BASICALLY ASKING US TO ACCEPT THE EQUIVALENT OF AN UNFUNDED MANDATE.

RIGHT? IT IS KIND OF HOW IT FEELS.

AND THAT'S NOT, AND THAT'S NOT ARGUING WITH YOU OR TRYING TO SAY THAT IT'S WRONG THE WAY YOU, YOU PRESENTED IT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT REMINDS ME EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE LIBRARY FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.

WE ESSENTIALLY GOT AN UNFUNDED MANDATE BECAUSE THE COUNTY SCREWED US OVER.

RIGHT? COULD YOU REPEAT THAT PART? BECAUSE THE COUNTY SCREWED US OVER.

UM, UH, AND WE HAVE A GENERAL FILL OF, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OR WHATEVER, WE CAN GO BACK AND DO THAT WORK TO IDENTIFY HERE'S THE BEST WAY WE WOULD RECOMMEND PAYING FOR IT AND HOW TO STRUCTURE IT AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

AND MASSIVELY CUT FUNDING FOR OUR LIBRARY.

AND IT CREATED ESSENTIALLY AN UNFUNDED MANDATE FOR US IF WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN A SERVICE LEVEL FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

WHEN DOES THIS END? WHEN DOES THIS END? AND IF WE ACCEPT THIS UNFUNDED MANDATE, WHAT'S THE NEXT ONE THAT COMES? AND WHEN DOES THIS BECOME A ZERO SUM GAME? BECAUSE WE'VE ALL SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE FISCAL DISCIPLINE, BUT THIS IS AN ASK TO ADD CLOSE TO $300,000 TO OUR BUDGET WHEN THE DAY IS DONE.

OKAY, ARE WE GONNA, ARE WE GONNA JUST TAKE THAT AS AN AD? OR ARE WE GONNA LOOK TO ACTUALLY PULL IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE? I MEAN, A YEAR AGO, I DIDN'T WANNA SPEND, I DON'T KNOW, 40, 60, WHATEVER THOUSAND, PROBABLY $70,000 FOR A SNOWPLOW, RIGHT? LIKE, WHEN ARE WE GONNA START SAYING NO TO STUFF? WHEN ARE WE GONNA START CLAWING SOME STUFF BACK? BECAUSE I DO WANNA SAY YES TO THIS, BUT I WANT TO PAY FOR IT FROM SOMETHING ELSE.

LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP HAVING OUR BUDGET GO UP BECAUSE THE STATE SCREWS US BECAUSE THE COUNTY SCREWS US.

SO AGAIN, THE ASK ISN'T BAD.

THE ASK ISN'T UNREASONABLE, IT'S NOT CRAZY, IT'S NOT OFFENSIVE.

I WANT TO SAY YES, BUT HOW DO WE PAY FOR THIS? AND WHEN DO WE DECIDE WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT HAVING FISCAL DISCIPLINE ABOUT OUR BUDGET? I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T HAVE A GREAT ANSWER.

WHAT IF IT WAS LESS THAN THAT 300,000 ? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT, WHAT IF IT WAS HALF OF THAT AMOUNT? I, I THINK THE ARGUMENT STILL HOLDS OF I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT POINT ARE WE GONNA BE SERIOUS ABOUT FISCAL DISCIPLINE AND NOT LETTING OUR OPERATIONAL BUDGET INCREASE? 'CAUSE THIS IS NOT A ONETIME ASK.

THIS IS A RIGHT ANNUAL, FOREVER AND EVER KIND OF ASK.

RIGHT? AND, AND THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENT COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE IF THIS GETS APPROVED.

NOW THAT MAY SAY, NAH, WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT ANYMORE, AND THEN IT GOES AWAY.

BUT AT THE MOMENT, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO MAKE A PERMANENT ONGOING, IT'S AN ONGOING BURN RATE, RIGHT? THAT GETS ADDED ON TO OUR BUDGET.

AND I, I'M NOT EVEN SAYING NO RIGHT NOW.

I, I REALLY, I WANNA SAY YES, BUT HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR IT? LIKE, DO YOU REALLY, THAT'S GOOD QUESTION.

WANNA PAY FOR THIS AS A VERY, VERY GOOD QUESTION.

INCREASE TO OUR BUDGET.

ARE WE GONNA COVER, CUT IT OUTTA SOMETHING ELSE? SO THANK YOU.

SO MAYOR, UM, IN, SO I WAS WAITING FOR COUNCILLOR FO'S COMMENTS BEFORE I CHIMED IN.

BUT I THINK THAT, UM, THAT'S OUR WORK TO DO BETWEEN BARBARA AND I TO CO COME BACK TO, IN THE BUDGET PROCESS WITH THE PROPOSAL.

IT CAN BE A DECISION PACKAGE, WHATEVER THAT SAYS, OKAY, HERE'S HOW WE WOULD PROPOSE THAT YOU FUND THIS NEW PRIORITY.

AND WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT WITH YOU AND WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE INFORMATION AT HAND TODAY TO REALLY ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT IF THERE'S INTEREST IN, UH, WHAT I'LL CALL JUST AN INCREASED INVESTMENT IN THE ARTS, WHICH I BELIEVE IS SUPPORTED BY YOUR COMMUNITY PLAN, OUR MISSION, EVERYTHING,

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SO, UH, BUT I GUESS NOT ALL OF YOU HAVE CHIMED IN YET, BUT I THINK I HEARD AT LEAST FOUR PEOPLE THAT WERE INTERESTED.

BUT, UM, I WOULD JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE BEFORE YOU WORRY ABOUT TRYING TO SOLVE THAT BEFORE WE MICROMANAGE AGAIN OR, WELL, I'M BEING DIPLOMATIC.

BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO FOR YOU IS ON ANY OF THESE PRIORITY ITEMS, COMMUNITY GOALS, IF THERE'S INTEREST IN A CHANGE OR SOMETHING NEW, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THAT WORK AND WHAT TO PROPOSE BACK TO IN THE BUDGET.

AND A DOLLAR AMOUNT TO BE ATTACHED TO THAT WILL BE TO BE DETERMINED AT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, I THINK.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK AND SEE WHERE CAN WE FIND FUNDING, HOW MUCH, WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, IMBALANCE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COMES OUT FROM THE RETREAT.

EXCELLENT.

UH, PETE AND THEN DEREK DID DEREK, YOU KNOW.

THANKS MAYOR.

MY OWN RISK OF GETTING VOTED OFF THE ISLAND HERE, , WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION AND IN AN AREA THAT I WAS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH.

'CAUSE WE STARTED KIND OF COMPARING IT TO SERVICE CONTRACTS AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN SERVICE CONTRACTS IN ONE WAY.

OUR SERVICE CONTRACTS ARE NOT COMPETITIVE, RIGHT? WE HAVE ONE RECYCLE CENTER, WE'VE GOT ONE LIBRARY, WE'VE GOT ONE COMMUNITY CENTER, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT PICKING AND CHOOSING WINNERS AND LOSERS HERE.

AND I'M UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE ARE A CITY ANIMATED BY THE ARTS.

AND I RESPECT THAT.

AND I LOVE OUR MOMENT OF ART STUFF.

AND THAT HAVING THE YOUTH HERE, THE YOUTH SYMPHONY THE OTHER DAY WAS AMAZING.

AND I LOVE THAT.

AND I TOO COME TO MOST OF THE ARTIST RECEPTIONS THAT WE HAVE.

UH, AND WHO IN TOWN DOES NOT LOVE PATRICK SCHWEISS? I MEAN, I THINK HE'S THE MOST, UH, POPULAR MAN IN TOWN, RIGHT? AND I, HE'S ON THE ISLAND.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT MANY OF MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES AND PAST COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ORIENTED TOWARDS THE ARTS PROBABLY IN A LARGER WAY THAN I AM.

RIGHT? BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOOD AND VALUABLE IN LIFE.

THERE'S HEALTH AND WELLNESS, RIGHT? AND I, THAT'S WHERE I TEND TO ORIENT MYSELF.

UH, AND ESPECIALLY AROUND ATHLETIC ACTIVITIES, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, ALSO VERY WORTHY HUMAN ACTIVITIES.

UH, AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT PATRICK'S DAY SEATED AND KEEP A SMILE ON YOUR FACE, AND I THINK ABOUT THE FILM FESTIVAL, IT'S A WONDERFUL THING.

BUT SO IS THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL.

PEOPLE THAT RUN IT ARE YEAR ROUND PRESENCE.

UM, THEY DO, RIGHT? THEY DO STUFF WITH YOUTH .

UH, THAT'S TRUE.

THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE IN TOWN HERE.

FOLKS THAT COME INTO TOWN BRING THEIR $10,000 BIKES WITH THEM AND RIGHT.

AND STAY IN HOTELS AND WHATEVER.

AND TO ME, THIS CONVERSATION REALLY IS ABOUT TOURISM.

AND I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH US JUST KIND OF SINGLING OUT THE ART.

WE'VE SINGLED OUT THE ARTS IN OUR BUDGETS IN THE PAST WE DO CURRENTLY.

AND TO INCREASE THAT EXPENDITURE IS NOW US PICKING AND CHOOSING AMONGST THESE OTHER MODALITIES THAT BRING PEOPLE TO SEDONA AND BRING VALUE TO OUR RESIDENTS IN SEDONA.

SO, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO THINK ABOUT THIS.

IT'S VERY COMPLICATED TO ME.

AND, AND JUST A SINGLE OUT ARTS, BECAUSE WE KIND OF HAVE MENT MOMENTUM AROUND THAT SEEMS A LITTLE UNFAIR THAT THERE'S A CONVERSATION ABOUT ALL THE MODALITIES OF BEING HUMAN THAT BRING VALUE TO OUR CITY AND OUR RESIDENTS ARE HERE FOR.

SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, BUT THANK YOU.

AND, AND THAT CAN BE EXPLORED AT SOME POINT, BUT PERHAPS THE MODEL FOR EXPLORING THAT IS THE ARTS IS A SEPARATE CATEGORY FROM SOMETHING ELSE.

NEXT UP.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, KATHY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD BEFORE THE VICE MAYOR GOES? UM, I, I, I, I DO.

IT WAS, I THINK COUNCILOR FOLTZ POSED IT RHETORICALLY, BUT I DO WANNA ANSWER IT.

'CAUSE I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE, WHEN DOES IT END? THE QUESTION OF WHEN DOES IT END? AND IT DOESN'T.

I MEAN, THE ASK DON'T END.

THAT'S THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT, RIGHT? WE, WE ARE HERE TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY TO DECIDE HOW TO FUND DIFFERENT NEEDS.

AND THE FUNDING MAY MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE UP, YOU KNOW, PETER, TO PAY PAUL, I GET THAT.

BUT THE ASKS DON'T STOP.

AND THE RESPONSIBILITY TO FIGURE THEM OUT AND HOW TO BEST SERVE DOESN'T STOP.

SO THAT WAS THE FIRST, UM, POINT.

AND THEN TO COUNCILMAN FURMAN'S, UH, POINT, WHICH I THINK WAS, WAS A VERY GOOD POINT, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S WINE FEST.

THERE'S UM, THERE ARE, THERE'S MOUNTAIN BIKE FEST, THERE ARE ALL SORT, THERE'S YOGA FEST, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF OTHER ACTIVITIES.

BUT AT THE MOMENT, I THINK,

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AND THE ARTS IS WHERE WE DID START THIS CONVERSATION.

THAT'S HOW THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM STARTED.

THERE IS A HISTORY OF, WE DO KEEP CLAIMING THAT WE ARE A CITY ANIMATED BY THE ARTS.

I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO SHOW THAT COMMITMENT.

I DON'T MIND GOING DOWN THAT ROAD FOR OTHER THINGS AFTER MAYBE WE ESTABLISH A MODEL OF SOME SORT.

BUT I, I THINK THAT THESE PROGRAMS, AND AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT THESE ARE THE BIG SERVICE PROVIDERS IN TERMS OF THE ARTS COMMUNITY, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY STILL WOULD BE GETTING FAVORED TREATMENT.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I, AS I SAID BEFORE, THE WORD GRANT IS NEVER A VERY APPETIZING WORD TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS TO APPLY FOR IT.

BUT I THINK SOMETHING THAT DOES ENSURE THAT CRITERIA ARE BEING MET.

UM, SO THAT MAYBE AT SOME POINT IT WOULD BE ANOTHER ORGANIZATION INSTEAD OF THE FILM FESTIVAL THAT, THAT BEAT THE FILM FESTIVAL OUT FOR THE SAME POT OF MONEY.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S UNLIKELY PRESENTLY, BUT FORESEEABLE AND SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED THAT WAY TO NOT BE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE FAIR, RIGHT? UM, BUT I DON'T, I THINK THAT SEP THE OTHER FESTIVALS AND THINGS SHOULD MAYBE BE CONSIDERED ANOTHER POINT.

BUT AT THE MOMENT, THE ASSETS IN FRONT OF US IS TO PRESERVE FUNDING IN THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM, REMOVING THESE BIG TICKET ITEMS. SO I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE, UH, AT THE MOMENT TO SEPARATE THESE OUT FOR DISCUSSION.

AND AS I SAID, IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A DIFFERENT PROGRAM THAT THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS MIGHT APPLY AS WELL IN THERE.

WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

BUT IT'S ABOUT HOW DO WE WANNA PRESERVE THIS GOING FORWARD AND THIS PROGRAM AND THE AVAILABILITY FOR THESE OTHERS TO CONTINUE.

VICE MAYOR, AND I'M GONNA JUMP IN, I I SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT PETE MM-HMM .

THE, UH, OUR PARKS AND RECREATION IS 9.3% OF OUR BUDGET, OR $5.4 MILLION A YEAR.

SMALL GRANTS FOR THE ARTS WAS $205,000.

SO THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHERE WE ARE DIRECTING OUR FUNDING TO ATHLETICS VERSUS, AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER COMMUNITY PROGRAMS VERSUS THIS TINY LITTLE BIT FOR THE ARTS.

SO IT JUST, IN RELATIVE TERMS, SO TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT PETE SAID, I, I GET IT.

AND I APPRECIATE THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL.

IT'S ONLY IN, IT'S STILL IN ITS INFANCY, MAYBE FIVE YEARS.

AND, AND IT'S DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB.

IT'S ONCE PER YEAR, RIGHT? THE FILM FESTIVAL? NO, NO, THAT, THAT'S INCORRECT, MAYOR.

RIGHT? AND COUNCILOR PETE COULD BE MAKING THE SAME ADVOCACY FOR THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL, FOR INSTANCE, BECAUSE THEIR AIM IS TO BE BREAK EVEN THEY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SNOW DEBACLE OF TWO YEARS AGO TURNS THAT INTO A MONEY LOSER FOR THEM, RIGHT? RIGHT.

THOSE PEOPLE ARE HERE IN TOWN.

THEY DO OTHER EVENTS.

THEY WORK WITH OUR SCHOOLS.

WE HAD THAT ABSOLUTELY WORLD CLASS YOUTH MOUNTAIN BIKER THAT IS SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY.

AND THOSE PEOPLE WHO RUN THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL IN MANY PARALLELS, IT'S ALMOST THE SAME AS THE FILM FESTIVAL.

REALLY.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT WHAT KATHY SAID IS, RIGHT NOW, THIS IS THE DISCUSSION HERE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD KEEP FRONT AND CENTER OF THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL.

'CAUSE IT'S REALLY IN FIVE YEARS, IT'S MORPHED INTO SOMETHING REALLY FANTASTIC FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL.

UM, THE, SO THE, BUT THE FILM FESTIVAL IS ONGOING AS WELL FOR NOW, AS IS THE ART CENTER YEARLY ONGOING.

SO, UH, WHEN THERE'S ENOUGH, ENOUGH, UH, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN OUR QUALITY OF LIFE IF WE WANT TO HERE IN THE CITY.

AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE WITH THAT.

IT'S TERRIBLE.

THE FACT THAT THE STATE DOES WHAT THEY DO CAUSING US TO SPEND MORE MONEY, THE COUNTY DOES WHAT THEY DO.

HOPEFULLY THAT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN WITH THE NEW, UH, ADMINISTRATION IN THE COUNTY.

WE HAVE THREE NEW LEGISLATORS NOW, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.

SO WHEN'S ENOUGH ENOUGH? I DON'T KNOW.

I WISH IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TO LOOK AT EACH YEAR, BUT WE WANNA MAINTAIN OUR LIBRARY, I THINK IS A WORLD CLASS LIBRARY.

DO WE WANT THAT TO GO INTO DECLINE? I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT.

AND NOT NOBODY ELSE HERE DOES AS WELL.

THE SAME WITH THE OTHER SERVICES.

SO IT'S, IT'S A PROBLEM, BUT WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH? IT'S NEVER BEEN ANSWERED YET.

SO DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, I THINK ADDING TO WHAT, UH, COUNCILOR PETE WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS NEW ASK FOR ARTS BECAUSE OF THE, THE VISION AND THE COURAGE OF TWO PEOPLE TO GET TOGETHER AND MAKE THE ASK, RIGHT? I MEAN, TO THEIR BENEFIT, TO THEIR CREDIT, TO THEIR MOXIE WAY TO GO, RIGHT? I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME OTHER FOLKS, AS THEY BECOME AWARE OF THE ASK ARE GONNA BE GOING, DANG, I WISH I'D KNOWN.

I COULD MAKE THAT ASK.

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LIKE, SO THE, THE ASK IS, IS IT'S AN EXCELLENT ASK.

IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT, IT'S WELL DEFENDED, YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT IT.

BUT I THINK COUNCILOR PETE, YOU SOBERED ME EVEN FURTHER ON THIS, OVER THE NOTION OF PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS AND THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, TWO VISIONARY LEADERS WHO BROUGHT A BOLD ASK TO US DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE AREN'T OTHER LEADERS IN ARTS CULTURE, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY THINGS THAT MAKE THIS A LIVABLE PLACE.

IF THEY'D KNOWN THEY COULD COME IN AND MAKE A BOLD ASK, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A PLATE FULL OF THEM RIGHT NOW.

AND HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT THAT AS WELL? SO ANYWAYS, THANK YOU.

ARE WE GOOD WITH THIS? WE, UH, I I I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE CITY MANAGER IS.

YEAH, NO, WELL THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT TODAY OH, IS GOOD.

SO, AND THAT, THEN WE'LL TIE THIS ONE UP.

I THINK I'M STILL IN THE SAME UNDERSTANDING TO GO BACK AND WORK ON A DECISION PACKAGE FOR A SEPARATE ARTS FUNDING, WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA CALL IT, ADDITIONAL, UM, ART SUPPORT PROGRAM WITH CRITERIA AND APPLICATION, UM, AN ACCOUNTABILITY MECHANISM.

IT'S NOT A COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACT.

I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY CONTRADICT COUNSELOR ELLA'S DESCRIPTION.

UM, AND THEN AGAIN, HOW WE WOULD PROPOSE THAT IT WOULD BE FUNDED AND TO WHAT EXTENT, THAT TYPE OF THING.

AND SO BARBARA AND I CAN WORK ON THAT AND BRING IT FORWARD IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.

WE'RE, AGAIN, YOU'LL HAVE THE CHANCE TO DEBATE IT AND APPROVE IT, MODIFY IT, ET CETERA.

SO ECONOMY AND TOURISM GOAL, AND KEEPING IN MIND I WOULD LIKE TO, UNLESS YOU WANT THE ECONOMY, WE DID THAT.

OH, OKAY.

YOU'LL RECALL WE SWAPPED THAT WITH YES, I AND LAND USE.

SO HOUSING HERE, UH, I WOULD, UNLESS THE COUNCIL SEE, SEES OTHER, OTHERWISE, WHICH ONE? I'M SORRY.

WHICH ONE ARE WE, ARE WE ON LAND USE? WE SHOULD BE LAND USE.

I THINK WE'RE ON LAND USE, SO WE'LL GET TO THAT.

WELL, THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GET TO.

YOU WANNA WAIT TILL 10 O'CLOCK FOR A BREAK? SO WE'RE EVERY TWO HOURS OR YOU WANNA DO IT NOW? THAT'S TOTALLY UP TO YOU GUYS.

I'D LOVE A BREAK NOW BECAUSE IT'S, I DON'T WANNA INTERRUPT THE CON WHEN GET TO LAND USE, THAT'S BIG.

BIG, HUGE.

THAT'S BIG.

I DON'T WANNA INTERRUPT.

AGREE WITH COUNCILOR.

KATHY, WHAT? OKAY.

HAD OUR FIRST WORKSHOP OR PUBLIC WORKSHOP, UH, WE SPLIT IT INTO TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS SO THAT, UH, THOSE THAT, UH, ARE RETIRED AND, UH, ABLE TO COME EARLY.

WHY DON'T WE FIVE MINUTES OR 10? 10, 10 MINUTES.

OKAY, NOW STEVE IS IN.

WE CAN FINALLY BEGIN.

YOU DID HAVE YOUR PHONE RECREATED.

NICE JOB.

HOW ABOUT THE LAST ONE, STEVE, CAN YOU JUST START OFF WITH, UH, WHAT PAGE THAT IS ON THE PDF ARE THE 73? OKAY.

YEAH, IT'S RIGHT AROUND, UH, RIGHT AROUND 68.

68.

OH, WELL THAT WAS THE END OF IT.

THE 73 68 IS THE BEGINNING.

BEGINNING, OKAY.

ALRIGHT, STEVE, WE'RE ALL HERE.

YES, CONTINUE ON.

STEVE.

UH, GOOD MORNING, MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS.

UH, THANKS FOR HAVING ME BACK.

UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY IF, UH, IF HAIR WERE BUDGETS, I REDUCE MINE BY 60%.

SO MEETING WHAT ON BAD JOKES BAD.

SORRY, A JOKE.

SORRY.

YEAH, .

UM, SO THANK YOU, UH, DISCUSSING THE LAND USE, UH, SIDE OF THINGS.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PORTION OF IT.

SO, PARDON ME, Y'ALL.

UM, LAND USE MANAGEMENT AND PLANNING REPRESENTS ONLY 0.8% OF THE CITY'S TOTAL OPERATING BUDGET.

PAGE SIX.

SO FOR OUR, UH, OUR FIRST LAND USE SLIDE HERE, UH, WE DID WANNA REPRESENT, UH, A MAJOR, UH, PORTION OF OUR PROGRAMMING IN ON THE PLANNING SIDE RIGHT NOW.

AND THAT IS OUR WESTERN GATEWAY MASTER PLAN.

UM, WE JUST HAD, UH, NOT JUST, BUT IN OCTOBER, LATE OCTOBER, UH, WE

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WE HAD THAT SLOT OPEN AND THEN WE HAD A SLOT LATER ON AT NIGHT FOR THOSE THAT WORKED.

AND SO WE WANTED TO CAPTURE AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE COULD.

UM, WE DID HAVE A TOTAL OF A LITTLE OVER 120 PARTICIPANTS.

UM, WE ALSO, UH, PUT OUT A PUBLIC SURVEY, WHICH KIND OF, UH, RAN ALONG WITH THE SAME THEMES, UH, OF THE, UH, OF THE WORKSHOP.

UH, AND WE RECEIVED OVER 450 RESPONDENTS ON THOSE SURVEYS.

UM, AND, UH, WE DO HAVE PLANNED SEDONA.COM IS WHERE WE ARE KEEPING ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE WESTERN GATEWAY MASTER PLAN.

UH, WE'VE UPLOADED SOME MORE, UH, INFORMATION ON, UH, THE SURVEYS, UH, AND THE, AND EVERYTHING WE HAVE TO THIS POINT.

UM, OUR NEXT SESSIONS, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, USING THE SURVEY, A SECOND SURVEY NOW TO KIND OF WHITTLE DOWN, UH, AND BETTER UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE, UH, THINGS THAT GOT BROUGHT UP THROUGH THE SURVEYS, THROUGH ALL THE OTHER TYPES OF INFORMATION, THE COMMENTS ON WEST, UH, ON PONA.COM, UH, THE COMMENT PORTIONS OF THE WORK GROUP.

UH, AND, AND SO WE'RE GONNA USE A SECOND SURVEY TO HELP WHITTLE DOWN, UH, SOME OF THE, THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE PUBLIC IS WANTING.

SO, UH, LOOKING TO HAVE THAT OUT EITHER FRIDAY THE 20TH OF DECEMBER OR MONDAY THE 23RD.

AND THEN LOOKING AT OUR SECOND WORKSHOP, UH, AROUND FEBRUARY SIX.

BLESS YOU.

THANK YOU, STEVE.

SO ON THE SURVEY, HOW, HOW DETAILED IS IT GOING TO GET, HOW GRANULAR IN TERMS OF, UH, PRESENTING, UH, ALTERNATIVES, POTENTIAL COSTS? LIKE, IT, IT'S GREAT FOR SOMEBODY TO SAY, I WANT A FULL-BLOWN REC CENTER WITH AN INDOOR POOL.

IT'S FINE TO SAY I WANT THAT, BUT THEN, OKAY, WELL IT'S GONNA COST $25 MILLION TO BUY THAT.

I MEAN, TO BUILD THAT.

SO TO PAY FOR THAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BOND FOR THAT.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? IT'S GOING TO COST X MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR TO OPERATE IT.

AND SO WE WOULD NEED TO CHARGE X DOLLARS PER MONTH PER PERSON IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO FUND THIS.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS NOW? MM-HMM .

SO TO WHAT EXTENT ARE WE GOING TO EDUCATE ABOUT THESE OPTIONS AS OPPOSED TO JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE ME THE MEETINGS WERE GREAT BACK IN SEPTEMBER, WELL DONE, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

A YEAR SUBSIDY TO OPERATE A REC CENTER.

AND YOU GOTTA START SOMEWHERE.

AND JUST GETTING IDEAS OF WHAT PEOPLE LIKE IS GREAT, BUT THIS STUFF'S GOTTA BE PAID FOR, RIGHT? AND I DON'T THINK, AND, AND RIGHT NOW IT WE'RE, WE'RE COMPLETELY SEPARATED FROM WHAT I WANT AND WHAT IT COSTS.

SO CAN YOU KIND OF TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT, HOW THAT SURVEY IS GOING TO BRING SOME INTELLIGENCE TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT, HEY, THIS STUFF DOES COST MONEY, AND HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT IT NOW? WELL, UH, THANK YOU FOR SETTING ME UP, UM, BECAUSE THAT, THOSE ARE THE EXACT TALKS THAT WE'RE HAVING INTERNALLY WITH OUR, UH, CONSULTANTS RIGHT NOW AND CREATING THE QUESTIONS ON THE NEXT SURVEY.

SO THAT IS EXACTLY THE IN DEPTH INFORMATION.

WE WANNA KNOW, JUST NOT JUST, WELL, WHEN YOU SAY REC CENTER, DO YOU WANT AN INDOOR POOL? DO YOU WANT THIS OR THAT? IT IS, IF YOU SAY REC CENTER FULL CAPACITY OF USE AND, AND, AND, UM, UH, UM, UH, FACILITIES, UM, UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A 25 TO $30 MILLION PRICE TAG AND YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THAT? SO YES, THOSE ARE EXACTLY THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE ARE HAVING INTERNALLY RIGHT NOW, UH, IN TRY, IN CREATING THE QUESTIONS ON THIS NEXT SURVEY.

OKAY, GOOD.

AND I MEAN, 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT JUST THE COST TO BUILD IT, THEN THERE'S THE COST TO OPERATE, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

AND, AND COTTONWOOD HAS ALREADY SET THE MARKET ON WHAT PEOPLE ARE PAYING, AND YOU QUALIFY AS A SENIOR CITIZEN IN COTTONWOOD, I THINK AT AGE 55, I BELIEVE.

AND SO IF YOU BUY THEIR THREE MONTH, YOU KNOW, MINI MEMBERSHIP OR WHATEVER, YOU'RE ONLY PAYING LIKE $45 A MONTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MASSIVE SUBSIDY AGAIN, DO DO WE WANT TO ABSORB, YOU KNOW, A $2 MILLION

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AND IS THAT THE CASE FOR OTHER, NOT JUST THE REC CENTER, BUT FOR OTHER PROPOSED USES? UH, YES.

UH, AGAIN, IT WAS THE REC CENTER HAPPENED TO BE A GOOD, IT IS A GOOD ONE, YEAH.

BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S BEYOND JUST THE REC CENTER.

THAT, THAT IS THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

SO ONE OF THE PRIORITIES, UM, THAT WAS IN LAST YEAR'S COUNCIL PRIORITIES AND GOT EXTENDED TO FISCAL YEAR 26, UM, IS GOING TO HAPPEN .

AND THAT IS THE UPDATE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, THAT, UH, NEEDS TO HAPPEN SO AS TO ALIGN WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE JUST, UH, UH, UPDATED.

AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, UH, WE ARE FULLY ALIGNED BETWEEN THE TWO DOCUMENTS.

UM, WE WANNA REVIEW WAYS TO ADDRESS OUR HOUSING SHORTAGES, OF COURSE.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW TO BEST USE THE LDC IN THAT REGARD.

UH, AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE DISCUSSION WILL, UH, GO INTO THE DIGA, WHAT FITS BEST IN THE DIGA, WHAT FITS BEST IN THE LDC.

UM, WE WANNA INCLUDE, UH, UH, THE PUBLIC IN THAT, IN THAT, UH, DISCUSSION AS WELL.

UM, WE WANT TO INCLUDE OBVIOUSLY OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

UM, AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER NEW POLICIES AND INITIATIVES THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS.

UH, WE'LL BE, UH, UH, DISCUSSING WITH, UH, SUSTAINABILITY, UM, AND WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS AND THE PARKING ISSUES AND, AND OTHERS.

SO IT'LL BE, UH, A FAIRLY, UH, A FAIRLY DEEP DIVE INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

NOT AS MUCH AS THE ONE IN, IN 2019, BUT, UH, YES.

LIKE, DO WE HAVE, DO WE KNOW WHAT THOSE SITUATIONS ARE NOW? HAVE THEY BEEN ADDRESSED OR IS IT IN PROCESS? UH, IT IS IN PROCESS, AND WE DO KEEP A RUNNING TAB ON THOSE SORTS OF THINGS SO THAT WHEN WE DO GET INTO THE, UH, THE PROCESS OF THE UPDATING, UM, WE'RE NOT STARTING FROM ZERO.

AND WANNA BUILD PROJECTS HERE.

THANK YOU, MELISSA.

SO YOU TALKED ABOUT HERE, UM, NEW POLICIES AND INITIATIVES, AND I'D LIKE TO THROW TWO OTHER WORDS OUT HERE.

STEWARDSHIP, UM, BECAUSE WE, WE TALK ABOUT THIS A LOT FROM THE DAIS ON, UM, SEVERAL DEVELOPMENT SITUATIONS.

UM, AND, UH, I THINK THE OTHER ONE IS, WELL, I GUESS YOU'VE GOT A HOUSE UNDER LIVABILITY NOW.

SO HOW DOES, HOW DO WE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AS WE'RE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO BUILD THESE THINGS? WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE DOING? I KNOW WE HAVE LANDSCAPING THINGS, UM, THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO HELP US WITH THE, YOU KNOW, INVASIVE SPECIES AND FIREWISE TO MAKE DEFENSIBLE SPACE, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT PEOPLE CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTY LATER.

AND SO IF THEY WANNA BUILD A, THEY WANNA PLANT TREES RIGHT ALONG THEIR LINE, IT'S NOT DEFENSIBLE.

WHAT DO WE DO, IF ANYTHING? SO, I MEAN, JUST SORT OF THOSE IDEAS AS WELL.

IT SEEMS TO ME IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THEM FROM THE DAAS, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THEM REFLECTED HERE, SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THOSE TWO BULLET POINTS IN THE NEW WORDS, UM, OF STEWARDSHIP AND, UM, LIVABILITY.

YES, THANK YOU.

UM, INTERNALLY, AND I'M SORRY THAT IT WASN'T ON THE SLIDES, BUT YES, INTERNALLY WE DO, WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, UM, HOW THEY PLAY INTO NOT JUST, UH, WATER CONSERVATION, BUT ALSO IN THE FIRE SAFETY REALM.

SO I LIKE ALL OF US HERE, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN CHOMPING AT THE BID AND REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO AN UPDATE ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE COMING FOR THESE REASONS.

AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS KEEPING THEIR LIST AND, UH, WORKING ON THIS ISSUE, BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT WE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DON'T GET TOO INSULAR ABOUT JUST OUR EXPERIENCE HERE.

WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPERS COME

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AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO WHY, AND BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T SORT OF TRIED TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS.

I DON'T THINK WE KNOW THE ANSWERS OF WHY EITHER.

AND THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER COMMUNITIES OUT THERE AND THE PLANNING COMMUNITIES, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE STRUGGLED WITH THIS ISSUE, AND MANY HAVE DONE A LOT OF GREAT WORK.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW, NOT THAT I WANT TO DE UH, PUSH THIS OUT BY LOADING MORE WORK ON, BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, CHARETTES WITH, UH, WITH, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND, AND WORKING, LOOKING, DOING THE RESEARCH AND LOOKING WHAT OTHER PLACES HAVE DONE.

THERE'S THAT KIND OF WORK THAT I THINK COULD BE, UH, INFORMATIVE FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW SORT OF GETS INTO THIS PROCESS AS WELL.

AND HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AT ALL, STEVE? IS THERE ANY, UM, I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING , BUT, UM, THOSE ARE VERY GOOD SU SUGGESTIONS.

UM, PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THIS, UM, IS, UH, LOOKING TO HIRE A CONSULTANT BECAUSE TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE SAYING HERE WITH STAFF, UM, WOULD TAKE US ANOTHER COUPLE YEARS.

BUT AS A PART OF THAT THOUGHT PROCESS, WHAT A CONSULTANT WOULD BE DOING IS SETTING UP FOCUS GROUPS.

UM, THE CHARETTES THAT YOU IDENTIFY WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT AS WELL, BASED UPON YOUR SUGGESTION.

UM, SO YES, WHAT WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TAKING NOTE OF THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, UM, IS NOT ALL ENCOMPASSING.

SO THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THAT WE DO WANNA, UM, UH, BE HAVING PUBLIC OUTREACH ON THAT.

UM, AND, AND, UH, UH, OTHER DISCUSSIONS AND, UM, VERY THOUGHTFUL, UH, TO THINK OF BRINGING IN, UH, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITIES.

UM, THE GOOD THING WITH THIS IS THAT, UH, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE LOOKING AT, AND THAT'S MY NEXT SLIDE, THE UPDATES OF THE BUILDING CODES, UM, WHICH WE WILL BRING BRINGING THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND ON THAT AS WELL.

UM, SO, UM, I'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE, UH, A GOOD REPRESENTATION.

UM, HOWEVER, WE DO WANT TO, BASED UPON WHAT YOU WERE STATING AND WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE WANT TO GO BEYOND OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.

WE WANT TO FIND OUT WHY WE'RE NOT BRINGING OTHER DEVELOPERS IN TO BUILD MULTIFAMILY.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S, I I, I'M NOT AS WELL VERSED, UH, AS SOME OF OUR STAFF WOULD BE IN THESE COMMUNITIES, BUT THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE STRONG TOWNS.ORG, WHICH WHO I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING SINCE 2008, I THINK.

UH, AND THEN THE PLANNING ASSOCIATIONS, RIGHT? THERE'S MULTIPLE PLANNERS ASSOCIATIONS.

YOU GUYS WOULD KNOW BETTER ABOUT THESE AND PROBABLY PARTICIPATE.

I JUST OBSERVE OCCASIONALLY, UH, WHEN THE INTEREST HITS ME AGAIN.

UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT THE ONLY COMMUNITY THAT HAS STRUGGLED WITH THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

AND THERE, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GREAT WORK AND I THINK THERE'S EVEN, UM, PLANNERS IN TOWN HERE WHO DON'T WORK FOR US THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME OTHER EXTERNAL EXPERIENCE.

SO, SURE.

THERE'S LOTS OF GOOD WAYS TO GET SOME INPUT.

I'M SURE YOU'VE THOUGHT.

THANK YOU, STEVE.

OF COURSE I DID .

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STEVE? NO.

JUST THE, THE WHOLE PRESENTATION MOVING ON.

UH, WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH THE YAVAPI, UH, CONTRACTORS ASSOCIATION.

UM, AS I STATED, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING TO UPDATE THE BUILDING CODES, UM, THAT WAS DELAYED, UH, DUE TO, UH, ICC, THAT, UH, INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL THAT WRITES THE BUILDING CODES.

UM, THEY WERE DELAYED IN PUBLISHING THE ENTIRE SET, UH, AND WE FINALLY DID GET THE FULL SET BACK IN LATE OCTOBER, EARLY NOVEMBER.

SO, UM, UH, WE CAN NOW START THAT PROCESS A LITTLE BIT LATER THAN WE WANTED TO.

UM, BUT I HAVE, UH, UH, JOINED A COALITION, IF YOU WILL, OF AREA BUILDING OFFICIALS, UM, ALL THE CITIES AROUND US, UM, AND THE TWO COUNTIES, UH, AND ALSO PRESCOTT, PRESCOTT VALLEY, CHINO VALLEY.

UM, WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE LOOKING AT OUR CODE UPDATES TOGETHER SO THAT THE UPDATES CAN BE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UM, VERY CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE AREA.

AND,

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THEY HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE SITTING IN WITH THIS, UH, COMMITTEE.

UM, SO, UH, AGAIN, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, WORKING WITH THEM AND, AND MAKING IT, UM, AS, AS, UH, UH, SO, SO THAT A CONTRACTORS, ARCHITECTS, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL HAVE A REALLY GOOD BASE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S REQUIRED NO MATTER WHERE THEY'RE AT.

AND WE DON'T GET THE, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS OVER IN COTTONWOOD.

WELL, THEY HAVE THE SAME CODES.

SO, UM, SO THAT HAS STARTED ALREADY.

I'VE, I'VE BEEN TO TWO OF THOSE MEETINGS.

UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, EDUCATION BEING A PART OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

UM, UH, WE ALREADY HAVE, UH, A, A, UH, EDUCATOR FROM ICC COMING IN IN JANUARY, UH, TO EDUCATE US INTO THE PROCESS AND THE UPDATES TO THE NEW CODES.

AND AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, UH, WE WILL BRINGING THAT GENTLEMAN BACK, UH, TO SET UP, UH, THESE, UH, SEMINARS FOR OUR CONTRACTORS AND OUR DEVELOPERS AND, AND ARCHITECTS, SO AS TO EDUCATE THEM OF THE NEW CHANGES.

HAS THIS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST ON PREVIOUS ICC UPDATES? THIS REGIONALISM KIND OF, UM, NOT TO THIS SCALE.

THIS IS AWESOME.

OH, WE, WE HAD, UM, UH, GOTTEN TOGETHER, UM, BEFORE THE EIGHTEENS, UH, A LOT OF EMAILS, A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS.

THEY DID HAVE A MEETING, UH, THAT I WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND, BUT NOT TO THIS SCALE OF THE CONSISTENT MEETINGS, THE GETTING TOGETHER, THE DISCUSSIONS OF THE UPDATES, WHAT WE WANT TO INCLUDE, WHAT WE DON'T WANNA INCLUDE, SO, GREAT.

FAIR ENOUGH.

SO STEVE, ARE YOU WEARING TWO HATS? ARE YOU THE I AM, I AM.

UM, THERE'S COMFORT IN THAT AND THEN THERE'S, WAIT A MINUTE, , I THOUGHT I MOVED ON, BUT NO, IT'S, IT'S FINE.

UM, AND, AND PUBLICLY I WANT TO THANK MY STAFF BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT I AM WEARING TWO HATS AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE SO GREAT.

UM, THEY'RE, THEY'VE PICKED UP THE SLACK AND, UH, REALLY HELPED ME OUT.

SO I DO WANNA APPRECI, YOU KNOW, SHOW THE APPRECIATION FOR THAT.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY PROGRESS IN FILLING THAT ROLE? UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, JUST RECENTLY, UH, A COUPLE NEW APPLICANTS.

SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT SETTING UP AN, AN INTERVIEW FOR THAT.

UM, AND, UH, KIND OF TAGGING ONTO THAT QUESTION, UH, WE HAVE AN INTERVIEW TODAY FOR, UH, UH, THE SENIOR PLANNER POSITION.

UM, AND VERY SHORTLY WE'LL HAVE AN INTERVIEW FOR THE, UH, , SORRY, JUMP INTO DEPARTMENTS FOR OUR HOUSING COORDINATOR.

SO RIGHT.

HOPEFULLY, FINGERS CROSSED, WITHIN A COUPLE MONTHS, UM, WE'LL BE FULLY STAFFED, BUT, UH, WITHIN A COUPLE MONTHS THAT STILL WILL BE A STAFF OF A LOT OF VERY NEW MEMBERS.

TO HEAR HOW CAN WE GET MORE AGGRESSIVE ABOUT GETTING THIS PLANNING DONE? I ACTUALLY TALKED TO STEVE ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY, AND I DON'T THINK THAT EVEN IF WE WERE TO EXPAND THE, THE ROLE OF THE DEPARTMENT, THAT THERE'S THAT MANY TO PICK FROM, EVEN IF PEOPLE APPLY, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY WILL APPLY.

SO STEVE, THERE IS A APPROVED BUT NOT FILLED URBAN PLANNER POSITION, RIGHT? THERE'S A SENIOR PLANNER POSITION THAT'S ALSO OPEN? NO, IT'S ONE AND THE SAME.

WE HAVE ONE, RIGHT? WE HAVE ONE OPEN SENIOR PLANNER POSITION THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE SOMEBODY WITH URBAN PLANNING EXPERTISE.

SO IT WAS GOING TO EITHER BE THAT OR SOMEBODY WITH ENOUGH PLANNING EXPERTISE TO FREE UP OUR PRINCIPAL PLANNER WHO DOES HAVE THAT EXPERTISE.

UM, AND, AND SO NOW WE, UH, ARE GONNA BE SEEING THAT POSITION AS OPEN IN FEBRUARY AS WELL.

SO NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, TWO NEW, UH, PLANNERS TRYING TO HIRE TWO NEW PLANNERS IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.

AND YOU HAVE A COUNCIL THAT WANTS TO GET LOTS OF THINGS DONE IN TERMS OF MASTER PLANNING OR, WELL, THE GATEWAY OBVIOUSLY MM-HMM .

WE'VE GOT DIFFERING OPINIONS PROBABLY OF PRIORITY OF A NEW CFA FOR UPTOWN, ONE FOR WESTERN, UH, WEST SEDONA, 89 A CORRIDOR, ET CETERA.

I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF THERE IS INTEREST WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT FOR THE BUDGET, UH, SESSION THAT YOU COME WITH SOME IDEAS OF WHAT CAN WE DO TO ACCELERATE OUR ABILITY TO PLAN AND NOT BE IN A SEQUENTIAL WAITING MANY YEARS, UH, BASIS FOR BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO REALLY MAKE A MEANINGFUL IMPACT FOR OUR COMMUNITY? YES.

IS THERE INTEREST FROM OTHERS

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THAT'S WHY WE ARE ACTUALLY TALKING PLAN ON TALKING TO DR. RYAN AT THE COLLEGE TO CONSIDER POSSIBLY GIVING THAT KIND OF A COURSE OF OVERARCHING MM-HMM .

UH, IN THE FUTURE FOR, BECAUSE ALL THE, UH, CITIES IN THE VERDE VALLEY ARE ALL DOWN A PLANNER OF SOME SORT, RIGHT? AND I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY TWO OF THESE PRIORITY SETTING MEETINGS AGO THAT I WAS ASKING, HEY, UNDERSTOOD THAT IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET EMPLOYEES, BUT THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE BY EMPLOYEES.

TALENT TO CREATE THE PRODUCT YOU WANT TO ADOPT? UM, SO IF WE ARE REALLY FORTUNATE AND FIND A SENIOR PLANNER THAT HAS ACTUAL CODE WRITING ABILITY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE A MORE SHORT SPRINT PERIOD OF WANTING TO GET SOME THINGS DONE WHERE THEN OUTSOURCING THAT TO CAPABLE AND QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS IS A GOOD WAY TO BRIDGE THAT GAP, RIGHT? YES.

AND TO THAT POINT, UM, PART OF WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE BUDGET, UH, WILL BE, UH, AN ASK FOR, UH, A A, UH, EITHER TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE OR A PART-TIME EMPLOYEE SIMILAR TO MR. RAYER AND HOW HE WAS USED IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE.

UM, UH, OUR CURRENT PRINCIPAL PLANNER HAS, UH, SOME INTEREST IN DOING PROJECTS FOR US ON THAT SIDE OF THINGS.

SO, CAN I SPEAK TO THAT POINT PLEASE? UM, IT RAISES A QUESTION THAT WE HAD FAIRLY RECENTLY ABOUT HOW MUCH DO WE WANNA USE OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS VERSUS I SEE A CONTRACT EMPLOYEE FOR A TIME A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN A CONSULTING FIRM, UM, VERSUS REALLY MAKING THE, AND I KNOW THE EFFORT'S BEEN MADE, I DON'T MEAN THAT, BUT, BUT REALLY CONCENTRATING ON BRINGING THINGS IN-HOUSE SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT IS GAINED THROUGH PROCESS AND THE HISTORY OF IT.

UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT'S A PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION FOR THE US TO CONSIDER IS, IS IN GIVING DIRECTION FOR THE BUDGET.

'CAUSE THERE'S A BUDGET IMPACT THERE.

IF, IF SOMETHING IS ONGOING AND OR IF IT'S MORE STAFF AND THEN THERE'S THE ONGOING PERSONNEL, YOU KNOW, THE FRINGE NEEDS.

UM, BUT I, I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION 'CAUSE I AM, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT, THAT WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH IN-HOUSE, UM, STABLE ONGOING THAT WE NEED BECAUSE THE PROJECTS KEEP COMING UP TO YOUR POINT COUNSELOR THAT, UH, THAT WE WANT TO FAST TRACK OR NOT EVEN FAST TRACK.

WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET ON TRACK, UH, WITH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.

SO, AND WE CAN'T DO THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE BUILDING BLOCKS IN HOUSE.

SO WHEN DO WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION? IS THAT TODAY? NOW, IS THAT SCHEDULE AT A REASONABLY SOON COUNCIL MEETING OR WORK SESSION SO THAT THE OUTCOME OF COUNCILOR ELLA'S DISCUSSION CAN FEED INTO THE THE BUDGET? UH, WELL, I'D LIKE TO ADD ONE OF THOSE THINGS ALSO.

I THINK IT'S, IT SHOULD BE KNOWN THAT IF THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A FORMER STAFF PERSON RETIRED COMES IN, WOULD ADDRESS A LOT OF THE ISSUES.

BUT IF YOU HIRE A CONSULTANT, THEN THEY, THEY MAY NOT KNOW ALL THE INTERNET AND STEVE WOULD STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY OVERSEE THEM TO HELP GUIDE THEM MM-HMM .

SO IT'S NOT JUST, OH, WE'RE GONNA HIRE SOMEONE, THEY'RE GONNA DO IT.

IT'S STILL GONNA TAKE STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES THAT ARE CURRENTLY DOING OTHER PROJECTS.

THAT'S WHY IF WE COULD GET ONE OR TWO OF THE PEOPLE THAT STEVE'S UH, MENTIONING WOULD ELIMINATE THAT PROBLEM.

SO JUST HAVE THAT UP IN THE AIR SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT'S NOT JUST HIRING A CONSULTANT AND GO WITH IT.

AM I RIGHT STEVE? YOU'RE VERY RIGHT ABOUT THE STAFF TIME.

WE STILL, UH, SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME, UH, AS WE'RE FINDING OUT THROUGH THIS, UH, WESTERN GATEWAY PROCESS OF OVERSEEING THE CONSULTANT.

SO IT'S NOT SO SIMPLE, CUT AND DRY.

AND IF I COULD ADD, WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, LIKE LAND USE CODE UPDATE, THAT IS A LOT OF TECHNICAL WRITING AND A LOT OF LEGAL, UM, WRITING AND ANALYSIS.

SO TYPICALLY CITIES THAT DO NOT HAVE IN-HOUSE CODE WRITERS WILL HIRE SOMEONE TO HELP THEM WRITE AND UH, MAKE SURE THEY'RE CROSS-REFERENCING AND DOING ALL THE CORRECT STUFF.

I DON'T KNOW HERE IF THAT'S SOMETHING LEGAL COUNSEL HAS DONE IN THE PAST FOR THE DEPARTMENT, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY TECHNICAL WRITING WHEN YOU GET TO THE POINT OF ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE REALLY GONNA SAY AND WHAT ARE WE CROSS-REFERENCING THE CODE IN THE OTHER AREAS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY ACTUALLY WORK IN IMPLEMENTATION.

SO I GUESS I WOULDN'T CONSIDER THIS A EITHER OR DISCUSSION.

IT'S LIKE WHAT'S THE BEST COMBINATION OF THE RESOURCES AND

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UM, YEAH, SO I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE, WHAT WE CAN FIND.

WE MAY NEED TO SUPPLEMENT WITH SOME CONTRACTED WORK TO HELP US ACTUALLY GET THE PROCESS THROUGH P AND Z AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO TO ADDRESS BRIAN'S COMMENT, DO YOU WANNA DO THAT NOW, HAVE A DEEPER DISCUSSION? OR DID WOULD ANNETTE JUST SAY, UH, ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SORRY.

WELL, I KNOW COUNCILOR KINSELLA WAS NODDING YES TO, TO NOW, OKAY, BUT IS THAT, IS IT CART BEFORE THE HORSE? SHOULD WE NOT JUST BE SAYING, HEY, WE WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO GET GOING ON X, Y, AND Z PROJECTS BY THIS TIMEFRAME, AND IF WE PROVIDE YOU THAT DIRECTION, THEN YOU'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE RIGHT BLEND OF IN-HOUSE AND OUT OF HOUSE RESOURCING? SO IS IT, I THINK IT'S REALLY, YOU SAID, OKAY, SO WHAT DO, WHAT DO WE WANT TO GET DONE? HOW FAST DO WE WANT TO GET, GET IT DONE? WELL, AND HERE'S MY QUESTION TO THAT POINT, ARE WE STILL, ARE WE STILL DOING CFAS? IS THAT IN OUR INTENTION TO DO THEM? YOU ASKED THAT YESTERDAY.

I KNOW I DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER.

, RIGHT, AND I WAS TOLD WE'D BE DISCUSSING IT TODAY, .

SO, UM, IN MY LIST OF, UH, PRIORITIES, MY OWN PRIORITIES, THE UPTOWN CFA IS A PART OF THAT, UH, TO CONTINUE THAT, UH, DRAFT.

UM, THE PART OF THOUGHT PROCESS IS UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ORIGINAL DRAFT CFA WAS BASICALLY FOR UPTOWN.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY PLAN NOW THAT CFA HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO INCLUDE THE RANGER BREWER AREA.

SO, UM, THERE IS A THOUGHT PROCESS BECAUSE WE'RE DOING SO MUCH IN UPTOWN RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS, UM, THAT WE COULD DO A CFA PHASE ONE, AND THAT COULD BE COMPLETED A LOT QUICKER THAN A FULL CFA OF THE NEWLY OUTLINED UPTOWN CFA AREA.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT WE HAVE.

AND WOULD YOU REALLY BE LOOKING TO BLOW THE DUST OFF OF THE PRIOR DRAFT UPTOWN CFA OR TAKE A BIT MORE OF A BLANK SHEET OF PAPER APPROACH GIVEN THAT NOW WE'VE GOT FOREST ROAD EXTENSION, NOW WE WILL HAVE A PARKING GARAGE AND WE'VE GIVEN LANCE A WHOLE LOT OF PROJECTS TO WORK ON THAT ABSOLUTELY FEED INTO A CFA.

SO IS THERE REALLY THAT MUCH TO REPURPOSE? DO WE NEED TO YEAH.

DO WE NEED TO TREAT IT AS A BLANK SHEET OF PAPER NOW? WELL, I, I THINK I'M IN THE MIDDLE ON THAT.

SO THERE IS STILL A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION THAT IS WITHIN THAT, THAT CFA DRAFT.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE IN THE CFA DRAFT THAT ARE HAPPENING, IE THE GARAGE, SO THAT WAS PART OF THAT DRAFT.

SO I THINK THAT IT IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE DO NEED TO DO AND THAT IS, UH, INVOLVE, UH, OTHER DEPARTMENTS, UH, AND, AND, UH, I IDENTIFY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING OR WHAT IS PROPOSED TO HAPPEN AND HOW THAT'S GONNA FIT WITHIN THE CFA.

SO YES, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PROCESS.

BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS THE CFA WAS FAIRLY CLOSE TO BEING APPROVED AND IS THERE'S STILL A LOT OF RELEVANT INFORMATION WITHIN THERE.

SO IT'S NOT IN MY MIND AN EITHER OR.

IT IS, YES, WE DO HAVE TO INCORPORATE, UM, THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHAT'S PROPOSED TO HAPPEN INTO THAT CFA, MELISSA.

SO I THINK BEYOND THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON UP THERE, WE'VE HAD OTHER THINGS TOO, RIGHT? UM, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND EVACUATION GOING ON UP THERE CONCERNS ABOUT FIRE, UH, WATER.

OF THESE ARE, ARE NEW CONCEPTS, I THINK SINCE MM-HMM .

I MEAN, ALL THOSE THINGS WEREN'T THERE WHEN YOU DID THE ORIGINAL CFA, THE HEAT MAP STUDY, WHICH SHOWS THAT THAT'S ONE OF OUR HOTTEST AREAS BECAUSE OF ALL THE CONCRETE THAT WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL CFA BECAUSE ALL THAT HAS HAPPENED AFTER.

SO THERE'S ALL THESE THINGS AGAIN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, STEWARDSHIP AND LIVABILITY THAT ARE, ARE KIND OF NEW, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S ABOUT THE FIREHOUSE ABOUT A POLICE SUBSTATION? SO ALL

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THE CFA WAS DONE.

AND I THINK THEY'RE IMPORTANT AND THEY PLAY INTO HOW ARE WE GOING TO THINK ABOUT OPEN SPACE? I MEAN, I'M NOT A PLANNER, BUT, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU GONNA THINK ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS? WHICH I DON'T THINK WE HAD THE IMPETUS TO THINK ABOUT BACK WHEN WE DID THE ORIGINAL CFA POINT WELL TAKEN.

AND SOME OF THAT WAS, UH, THOUGHT OF, BUT POINT WELL TAKEN.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THERE'S A LOT THAT HAS HAPPENED.

UM, AND, AND THAT'S WHY I SAY, IS IT JUST A DUST OFF? NO.

UM, IS IT A COMPLETE REWRITE? NO.

I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD, UH, BASE DOCUMENT.

GOOD BASE TO START FROM.

AND THEN WHAT ABOUT A WEST SEDONA, YOU KNOW, 89 A CORRIDOR, CFA, THERE'S NO, THERE ISN'T ANY REAL BASIS FOR THAT AT THIS POINT.

IS THERE, THERE IS SOME BASIS, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NOT DOING THE FULL CFA AT THIS POINT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WOULD, UH, HAVE IDENTIFIED WOULD BE OUR PROPERTY SURVEY, UH, FOR REDEVELOPMENT ALONG THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR THERE.

SO THAT IS IN MY PLANNING, UH, UH, UH, POLICY.

I'M SORRY, UM, WANTS AND, UH, SO THAT IS A PROJECT THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING IN THIS, IN THIS MAYBE EVEN BEFORE THE FISCAL YEAR, THE NEW FISCAL YEAR.

SO, UM, DID YOU JUST SAY START WORKING ON THAT BEFORE THIS FISCAL YEAR'S OVER? DID I SAY THAT? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I HEARD THAT SO I CAN HOLD YOU TO IT.

YEAH, NO, THESE ARE MY WANTS.

EVERYTHING IS WORKING TOGETHER.

SO WE PLAN, TRY TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN.

UM, BUT, UM, YES, THAT IS ON THE HORIZON.

IT IS WHAT WE ARE, EVERYTHING TIES TOGETHER.

HOUSING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALK ABOUT, UM, WHERE BEST TO PUT HOUSING WELL, THAT WE DON'T KNOW IF WE DON'T KNOW OUR, YOU KNOW, THE SURVEYOR PROPERTIES AND, AND AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT FITS BEST WHERE.

SO ALL THIS STUFF HAS TO HAPPEN MM-HMM .

AND SO THAT TO ME WOULD BE ONE OF THE FIRST PIECES IN THAT, UM, LOOKING AT A SURVEY OF CITY PROPERTIES AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT AND WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THOSE, WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES.

UM, ALL THAT IS, IS, IS A PART OF IT TOO.

SO THERE'S SO MUCH THAT WE CAN AND WOULD LIKE TO BE DOING, UM, AND, UH, AND, AND WANT TO, UH, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T SILO THINGS.

UM, WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE SIM PROJECTS.

WE'RE WORKING, YOU KNOW, WE, THIS HAS TO, TO BE COORDINATED TOGETHER.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY IS TAKING TIME TO DO SO.

AND I THINK BEFORE ANNETTE STARTED, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN COUNCILOR PETE AND I WOULD BE MEETING WITH KAREN AND WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IN THE PIPELINE FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE STILL IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, RIGHT? SO, OKAY.

GOTTA GET THE COMMUNITY PLAN DONE.

AND THEN AS SOON AS THAT'S OVER, OKAY, THEN WE'RE JUMPING INTO WESTERN GATEWAY.

THEN I THINK WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE NEXT AFTER THAT WAS A MASTER PARKING PLAN, I BELIEVE HIRING SOMEBODY.

AND THEN AFTER THAT WAS GOING TO BE, I THINK UPTOWN CFA OR, BUT MAYBE IT WAS 89 A CFA.

RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT ALL THOSE NOW, RIGHT? LIKE , SO ABSOLUTELY.

SO, SO HOW DO WE BEST DO THAT? RIGHT? RIGHT.

I MEAN THAT, NOT ONLY DO WE WANT ALL OF THAT NOW, BUT YOU KNOW, FOLKS LIKE ME WANT TO COMPLICATE THINGS BY INTRODUCING, UH, IDEAS LIKE FORM-BASED ZONING AND OH, SURE.

IN WEST SEDONA, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY ON OUR MAJOR INTERSECTIONS OF 89 A AND DRY CREEK AND ON DANTE AND, UH, RODEO AND COFFEE POT AND, AND, UM, MOUNTAIN SHADOWS.

UH, WHERE WITH THE IDEA BEING, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD TRY AND LOOK AT THE WHOLE AREA AND PLAN, BUT ANOTHER APPROACH IS TO FOCUS ON LITTLE AREAS TO SPARK, TO GET SOMETHING STARTED.

AND FORM-BASED DESIGN IS, IT WOULD BE A COMPLETELY NEW WAY OF, FOR I THINK, COUNCIL MEMBERS TO THINK, I, YOU KNOW, IN THE PLANNING COMMUNITY, THESE IDEAS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T EXECUTED THEM HERE IN SEDONA, BUT IT MIGHT BE TIME.

AND I REALLY BELIEVE THAT, UH, TECHNIQUES LIKE THAT ARE WAYS TO SPARK.

'CAUSE YOU JUST HAVE TO GET THE FIRE STARTED, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

AND THEN IT STARTS TO SPREAD.

AND, AND IF YOU TRY TO SWALLOW THE ELEPHANT ALL AT ONE TIME, IT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT PROCESS.

OR EVEN A MASTER PLAN THAT THINKS ABOUT WEST SEDONA AS A BIG GEOGRAPHICAL AREA.

AND YOU DON'T WANT THE

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SAME THING EVERYWHERE.

BUT, SO THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOTS OF COMPLICATED NEW WAYS OF DOING THINGS THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A DIFFERENT RESULT.

, FOR US, I GUESS MY QUESTION TO US IS, OKAY, YOU KNOW, I JUST RATTLED OFF WHAT I THOUGHT I REMEMBERED TO BE THE SET OF MAJOR PLANNING INITIATIVES.

SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT.

IF THOSE WERE WHAT THEY WERE OR, AND THEN, OR STILL ARE.

IS THAT ENOUGH RIGHT NOW TO, TO SAY TO ANNETTE, OKAY, ANNETTE, GO TELL US HOW WE CAN MOST AGGRESSIVELY LAUNCH INTO ALL THAT, KNOWING THE INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN MANY OF THOSE PLANNING EFFORTS, KNOWING THAT THERE MAY BE SOME MORE CREATIVE WAYS OF APPROACHING IT THAT WE'VE, NOT IN THE PAST, BUT I MEAN, IS THERE REALLY ANY MORE THAT WE NEED TO, TO SAY ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW? OR NO? I DON'T KNOW.

I'M INTERESTED WITH CATH, WITH, UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA, I THINKS ON THIS.

I, I, I MEAN I DO, I THINK THAT THERE IS MORE TO SAY.

I MEAN, BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK THE DIRECTION NEEDS TO BE MORE CLEAR TO STAFF TO GO BACK TO KNOW HOW WE WANNA FACTOR THAT IN.

I MYSELF, HOW MUCH WORK, HOW MUCH OF STAFF TIME, OKAY, SO WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE TWO WILL BE TWO POSITIONS THAT ARE FUNDED BUT ARE NOT FILLED, ARE THE ADDITIONAL, ONCE THOSE ARE UP AND RUNNING.

'CAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A VACANCY, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN AN ONGOING VACANCY THAT WE HAVE TO FACTOR INTO WHAT THE WORKFLOW HAS BEEN.

SO IS IT THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE ANOTHER ONE, TWO, WHATEVER STAFF POSITIONS CREATED, OR IS IT THAT THERE CAN BE A FLOW IF WE WERE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT, HOW MUCH OF THAT TIME DO WE WANT TO PUT IS A PLANNING DEPARTMENT, BUT PUT INTO SOMETHING LIKE CFA WHEN HATE TO BE THE NAYSAYER HERE.

BUT SOME OF THAT'S ALSO COME BACK TO BITE US WHEN THERE'S A CFA, AND THEN THERE'S AN ACTUAL APPLICATION, AND THEN WE ARE RE-GOING OVER PLANNING AND ZONING GOES OVER IT.

THERE'S A STAFF TIME THAT GOES IN PRIOR TO THAT, THEN IT COMES UP TO THE COUNCIL.

AND WE'RE, WE'RE REVISITING EVERYTHING.

UM, I, I, I LIKE ZONING ON A BROADER LEVEL, GENERALLY SPEAKING.

SO THAT'S WHAT THE LAND USE IS FOR, AND THE DESIGNATIONS ABOUT WHAT GOES IN.

AND I, I LIKE TO PUT MORE THOUGHT INTO THAT PROCESS RATHER THAN, I THINK SOMETIMES THE CFAS, WHICH GET OVERLY DETAILED AND THEN A PROJECT DOESN'T FIT IN.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF TIME GOING BACK TO MAKE THINGS FIT THE WHEEL.

SO DO WE WANNA PUT MONEY INTO STAFF TO DEVELOP THOSE DOCUMENTS AND THEN BE REVISITING THEM? OR DO WE WANT TO JUST HAVE MORE GENERAL PLANNING EXPERTISE TO WORK WITH APPLICANTS AS THEY COME IN, WHICH WOULD MOVE APPLICATIONS ALONG IN MY MIND FASTER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS GOING ON? SO, HAVE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION? BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS IF YOU ASK ME FOR MY THOUGHTS, WE COULD BE HERE ALL DAY.

, RIGHT? WELL, YOU, YOU, YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD AGREE THOUGH.

I THINK THAT DON'T WE NEED TO PROVIDE SOME VISION FOR WHAT UPTOWN SHOULD BE REIMAGINED INTO AS OPPOSED TO SIMPLY SAYING, HERE'S OUR UPDATED LDC, YOU KNOW, COME HAVE AT IT WHOM, WHOEVER AS OPPOSED TO US REALLY, YOU KNOW, PLANNING OUT SOME CONCEPTUAL IDEAS OF WHAT JORDAN ROAD COULD LOOK LIKE, AND THEN HOPEFULLY THAT ATTRACTS DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH, I, I HEAR THAT, AND I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S A PLACE FOR, FOR THAT FOCUS USED MORE SPARINGLY.

I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR OVERALL, WHAT'S OUR SQUARE MILEAGE? ROUGHLY, LIKE 30 SQUARE MILE OR SOUTHERN, LESS THAN THAT FOR THEIR CITY OF THIS SIZE.

AND YOU'VE GOT 10 CFAS, 10 FOCUS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A BROAD LAND USE DOCUMENT.

I DON'T KNOW IF 10 CFAS OR SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS, IS ACTUALLY A HEALTHY PLANNING TOOL.

IT'S LIKE OVERTAKING ASPIRIN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, , I MEAN, I THINK THAT THE BROADER DOCUMENT IS SOMETHING, AND I'D RATHER MOVE ALONG WITH THE INDIVIDUAL APPS, BUT I DO SEE ABSOLUTELY, THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE YOU NEED MORE OF THAT, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE SPARING.

I, IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, UM, GOING BACK TO THIS, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT, AND THANK YOU, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND IT, IN MANY TIMES IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR US TO DO THAT.

BUT IT'S, THE FOCUS HAS TO BE MORE, UH, IT HAS TO INCLUDE EVERYTHING.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO INCLUDE, UH, THE CITY PROJECTS.

WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE, SO IT, IT'S NOT JUST PLANNING SAYING, HERE'S WHAT WE WANNA DO WITH YOU, MR. DEVELOPER, WE NEED THAT MASTER PLAN, IF YOU WILL.

THAT'S WHAT WE START FROM.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, WE START FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE CFAS, THAT'S WHAT'S GUIDING NOT ONLY US, BUT THE REST OF THE CITY, ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THOSE PLANS AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA DO THIS.

HOW DOES IT FIT WITHIN THAT PLAN? AND YES, WE MAKE PLANS AND THEN WE GO, OOH,

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RIGHT? AND SO WE HAVE TO AMEND THAT.

BUT WITHOUT THAT PLAN TO START WITH, YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE SAYING, WE'RE WE WANNA DO THIS, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.

STEVE IS ALREADY UNDERSTAFFED.

AND THEN SOMEONE ELSE IS HERE SAYING, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA, BUT WITHOUT THAT PLAN TO PULL EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND SEE HOW IT WORKS, UH, AND INTERACTS WITH EACH OTHER, , UM, WE, WE GET IN THE SITUATION THAT, UH, I THINK STARTED THIS DISCUSSION, UM, A COUPLE DAYS AGO.

SO, AND I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE WORTH, MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT FORM-BASED DESIGN IS.

BECAUSE IT, IT KIND OF GETS IT WHAT, INSTEAD OF DEALING WITH ALL THE DETAILS IN A ZONING, UH, LAND USE, UH, PLAN, YOU'RE ACTUALLY, IT'S A MORE VISUAL, THIS IS THE FINAL THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE LOOKS LIKE.

AND IT HELPS FOLKS LIKE US SORT OF SEE THE END VERSUS ALL THE WORDS AND THE DETAIL THAT'S IN, IN A PLAN.

AND IT CAN ACTUALLY HELP, I THINK, GET TO WHERE THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO GO RELATIVE TO GENERATING IDEAS AND GETTING THINGS MOVING FORWARD.

SO, SO I WANNA GO BACK TO WHERE WE WERE, AND I THINK MELISSA BROUGHT UP ALWAYS ABOUT STAFF TIME, STAFF RESOURCES.

THIS ALL SOUNDS REALLY GOOD, BUT UNTIL WE GET EITHER A CONTRACTOR OR STAFF PEOPLE, WHAT IS OUR EXPECTATION? IT'S NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING, IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITHIN THE COMING YEAR, BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET THOSE STAFF PEOPLE.

I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE OF MOVING FORWARD.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXPECTATIONS OF TIME.

I THINK WE'RE ASKING ANNETTE TO SET THOSE EXPECTATIONS.

I, BUT WE HAVE TO.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE HAVE TO BE READY FOR WHATEVER SHE COMES UP WITH.

IT MAY NOT BE WHAT WE WANT.

IT, IT, IT WILL NEVER BE EXACTLY WE WANT.

WELL, THAT'S TRUE.

WE HAVE SEVEN DIFFERENT WANTS.

SO I GET IT.

I'M LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY PLAN, AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT ARE AT A LARGER LEVEL, RIGHT? AND THAT THEY'RE NOT, SO I'LL GIVE YOU ONE TRANSFORM.

THE, THIS IS POLICY 4.6, TRANSFORM THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS INTO A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND PUBLIC USES.

WELL CONNECTED FOR WALKING, BIKING, OR USING TRANSIT.

SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE WEST SEDONA AND UPTOWN THAT ARE AT, AT A HIGHER LEVEL THAN THE CFA.

RIGHT? AND I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT.

DOES THAT RELATE TO WHAT YOU CALL FORM-BASED PLANNING, PETE, OR IT, IT CAN, I WAS HOPING TO QUICKLY FIND A, AND, AND YOU GUYS COULD DO THIS BETTER THAN ME, BUT A FORM-BASED CODE IS A LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION THAT USES THE PHYSICAL FORM RATHER THAN THE SEPARATION OF USES IS THE ORGANIZING PRINCIPLE, RIGHT? IT FOSTERS PREDICTABLE BUILT RESULTS IN HIGH QUALITY PUBLIC REALM BY FOCUSING ON THE DESIGN AND APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING.

AND SPACES, UNLIKE THE TRADITIONAL FORM BASE, UNLIKE TRADITIONAL ZONING CODES, FORM BASE CODES, PRIORITIZE THE VISUAL AND PHYSICAL ASPECTS OF DEVELOPMENT.

AND I THINK IT GIVES FOLKS LIKE US AN EASIER, MORE NATURAL WAY TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATION OF THE ZONING CODES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IN THERE.

CAN, CAN WE RECEIVE SOME EDUCATION ON THIS IN A FUTURE SESSION? I'M GONNA ASK STEVE TO JUST ELABORATE.

'CAUSE I, I KNOW OTHER PEOPLE OVER THE YEARS HAVE ASKED ABOUT FORM-BASED CODES.

P AND ZI BELIEVE WERE LOOKED AT IT AS WELL.

WHY IS IT, IF YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH, UH, DO YOU KNOW THE HISTORY OF WHY WE NEVER WENT TO FORM-BASED CODES IN THE PAST? I'VE BEEN IN MY POSITION FOR JUST A COUPLE YEARS, BUT, SO I DON'T HAVE THE HISTORY OF THAT.

AND MY PLANNERS COULD ANSWER THAT A LOT BETTER THAN I COULD.

UM, POSSIBLY.

IT'S BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE GOT.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE USED TO DOING, YOU KNOW? UM, THIS IS RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU DON'T INSTITUTE THAT, BUT I THINK ALSO, AGAIN, SINCE EVERYTHING PLAYS TOGETHER, WHEN, WHEN WE INSTITUTE SOMETHING LIKE FORM-BASED CODE, UM, WE EITHER HAVE TO START IN A SMALLER AREA OR WE'RE REINVENTING THE WHEEL.

UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WHEN YOU COME IN FROM THE WEST, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE SEDONA.

AND IT WOULD, UM, POSSIBLY AFFECT A LOT OF WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

SO I THINK WHAT CONS, COUNCILOR FURMAN WAS SAYING, YEAH, THERE IS AN AREA THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY, UH, CHANGE THE LDC TO ADDRESS THIS SPECIFIC AREA UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.

UM, WE HAVE HEARD IN THE PAST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, REFORMING WEST WEST, UH, SEDONA, IF YOU WILL.

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IT LOOKS LIKE ANY OTHER CITY, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT SHOPS AND, AND, AND, AND RESTAURANTS ON EITHER SIDE.

YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF SIGNAGE, YOU'VE GOT LOTS OF CURB CUTS, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, SO YES, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD THAT IN THE PAST.

ALSO.

WE DO HAVE THE ISSUE WITH SOME OF OUR WANTS, UH, THAT IT IS NOT OUR ROAD AS WELL.

SO, BUT, SO I, I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND ABSOLUTELY WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.

UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE TIME, AND I DON'T HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING AND PLANNING INTELLIGENCE TO CONTINUE, UH, THE CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW.

I'D WANT MY PLANNERS INVOLVED IN THAT.

APPROACH, YOU KNOW, OVERNIGHT YOU WOULD WANT TO BUILD ON WHAT WE'VE GOT.

ANNETTE WANTED TO, UH, SPEAK.

I WAS JUST GONNA WEIGH IN ON THE FORM-BASED CODE.

SO, UM, TYPICALLY IT'S IN LIKE A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, YOU ARE NOT USING TRADITIONAL ZONING CALLING SOMETHING COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL MIXED USE.

IF THAT GOES AWAY, IT'S LIKE, UH, COUNSELOR FURMAN SAID IT'S A DESIGN STANDARD SORT OF APPROACH.

UM, YOU DON'T CARE WHAT THE ACTIVITY IS WITHIN THE BUILDING, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE EXTERIOR LOOK.

UM, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S TYPICALLY LIKE A BUSINESS DISTRICT TYPE OF THING.

UM, IT WAS VERY POPULAR TO USE WHEN A LOT OF, UM, UM, WHAT WERE THOSE CALLED? UM, WHEN, LIKE, SHOPPING MALLS WENT FROM BEING AN ENCLOSED INTERIOR MALL, AND THE EXTERIOR WAS NOT NICE TO LOOK AT BECAUSE EVERYBODY WAS INSIDE WALKING AROUND TO THE SHOPS, TO THE TYPE OF DESTINATION OR LIFESTYLE MALL LOOK WHERE YOU'RE OUTSIDE WALKING AROUND WHAT LOOKS LIKE A VILLAGE.

UM, THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THOSE HAVE BEEN APPLIED.

UM, AND IT IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF, UH, WRITTEN CODE AND HOW THAT'S APPLIED TOWARDS DESIGN STANDARDS.

SO IT IS A LOT OF WORK TO GET ONE CREATED AND IMPLEMENTED, BECAUSE ON THE UPFRONT SIDE, YOU REALLY HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU WANT THESE THINGS TO LOOK LIKE.

SO YOU CAN WRITE THE CODE TO, UM, MATCH WHAT THE VISUAL AESTHETIC AND THE WAY YOU WANT THAT TO WORK, OR THE DESIGNATED AREA THAT THIS WILL APPLY, AND NOT YOUR TRADITIONAL ZONING.

UM, SO THAT WHEN APPLICANTS COME IN, IT'S NOT LIKE, IS THIS COMMERCIAL? OKAY, SO NOW WE GOTTA APPLY THIS CODE.

IT'S REALLY A SEPARATE ENTITY, UH, APPROACH.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO DO LIKE A EDUCATIONAL SESSION, MAYBE JOINT WITH THE P AND Z OR SOMETHING IN THE COUNCIL, IF THAT'S A FUTURE THING.

BUT I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THERE'S ANY WAY TO IMPLEMENT ONE IN THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF.

I MEAN, IT'S A REALLY BIG UNDERTAKING.

IT'S VERY FUTURE FOCUSED.

UM, BUT IT'S GOOD TO GET EDUCATED ON IT AND TRY TO THINK ABOUT WHERE WOULD THIS BE A GOOD PLACE WITHIN SEDONA TO ACTUALLY APPLY SOMETHING LIKE THIS? IT WOULDN'T BE UNIVERSAL.

UM, WELL, WOULDN'T IT MAKE TOTAL SENSE THE, THE, UH, FOR THE POLICY THAT I READ ABOUT TRANSFORMING OUR COMMERCIAL? I MEAN, DON'T WE WANNA SEE WHAT IT WOULD START WITH, WHAT WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE? MM-HMM .

I, I WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT ANNETTE SAID WITH US ADDING ONLY COMMERCIAL ZONES.

AND I THINK IT'S BEEN FAIRLY SUCCESSFUL ACROSS, UH, THE COUNTRY IN MIXED USE COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, WHICH ARE COMMERCIAL, BUT RESIDENTIAL.

AND I WOULD TOTALLY AGREE THAT YOU REALLY WANNA JUST DESIGNATE SOME FOCUS AREA.

THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA TRY THAT OUT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST GONNA BE HERE.

AND MY THOUGHT AS I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR SOME YEARS NOW, IT, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS LONG 89 A OR EVEN PICK A SUBSET OF 'EM.

BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST, YOU TAKE SOME VERY FOCUSED AREA AND YOU GET STARTED, AND IT, IT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY FOR DEVELOPERS TO INTERACT WITH STAFF ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO.

AND THEN, YEAH.

WELL, AND ON THE 89, A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, I MEAN, WE WANT DEVELOPERS OR THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO TOTALLY RETHINK.

AND IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE A LONGER TIME, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE A MORE PRESCRIBED PLAN FOR UPTOWN IS STILL THE RIGHT WAY TO GO USING, UH, CFA PLANNING SOUNDS LIKE THE RIGHT THING STILL FOR UPTOWN? I, I THINK SO, BECAUSE UPTOWN ISN'T A COMPLETE MAKEOVER, RIGHT? I MEAN, IN SOME SENSE WE'RE SAYING THERE'S SECTIONS 89 A THAT REALLY NEED TO BE REDONE, BUT UPTOWN IS THERE, IT'S ESTABLISHED, AND NO, YOU DON'T JUST CHANGE THAT WHOLE

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SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL, BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD THIS ARGUMENT A MILLION TIMES IN ANOTHER FIELD AROUND WHETHER OR NOT YOU USE UI DEFINITIONS OF WHAT THINGS WILL LOOK LIKE.

AND THEN THE CODERS WILL GO AND TAKE THAT UI DEFINITION AND THEY WILL BUILD CODE TO THAT.

AND THEN WHEN THE CODE IS RUNNING, PEOPLE GO, WELL, THAT DOESN'T MATCH WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO DO, OR HOW IT WAS GOING TO BEHAVE.

UM, VERSUS I'M GONNA PRESCRIBE IN WRITING WHAT IT IS I EXPECT YOU TO SEE.

THERE'S ALWAYS, THERE'S ALWAYS PROS AND CONS AND, AND NEITHER ONE OF THEM ARE EVER SET IN STONE.

SO EVEN IF YOU USE THIS FORM BASED, IT'S GONNA CHANGE OVER TIME, AND THE FIRST TIME SOMEONE BUILDS TWITCH, YOU'RE GONNA GO, OH GOD, THAT REALLY ISN'T WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING.

AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, WELL, CAN WE GO BACK TO THOSE CODES ABOUT COLORS AND HEIGHTS AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.

AND, AND YOU ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT LEARNERS, RIGHT? SOME PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT A, CAN LOOK AT A, A VISUAL AND SAY, I KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO BUILD THAT.

OTHER PEOPLE GO, WHERE'S MY LEGO? YOU KNOW, BLACK COLOR, HOW MANY I NEED? AND BECAUSE THERE'S JUST DIFFERENT KINDS OF BUILDERS.

I MEAN, WHEN WE, WE RECENTLY SAW CYNTHIA SHOW US A MODEL OF WHAT AN AREA UPTOWN COULD LOOK LIKE.

SHE SHOWED US A VISUAL, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

BUT TO DO THAT VISUAL, SHE WOULD'VE NEEDED TO HAVE SOME UNDERLYING WRITTEN DESCRIPTIONS OF THAT SO THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THE, UH, THAT A DIFFERENT PERSON, NOT CYNTHIA, CAN MATCH AND SAY, YES, IT MEETS THE DEFINITION, AND I EXPECT TO SEE THAT VISION BUILT, BUT I MAY NEED THESE, THESE OTHER PRESCRIBED RULES IN ORDER TO GET THERE AND FOR CONSISTENCY IN THE FUTURE IF YOU WANTED TO CARRY IT FORWARD.

SO IT'S NOT THAT THERE ISN'T A PLACE FOR BOTH, AND I WOULD FULLY EXPECT TO SEE, UM, A REALLY GOOD PLANNER SHOW ME A PICTURE, RIGHT? LIKE AN ARCHITECT SHOWS YOU A PICTURE OF WHAT THE FINAL THING IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN THEIR MIND, BUT YOU ALSO THEN NEED TO DERIVE FROM THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN LAST BEYOND THAT ONE SINGLE VISUAL.

SO I, I, I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT UP TO PLANNING AND SAY, HEY, AS, AS THE COUNCIL, WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME PICTURES, PLEASE.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA GET THERE, BUT WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME PICTURES.

BUT I, I ALSO THINK WE, WE ALSO NEED TO THINK FORWARD, AND WE TALK ABOUT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.

I'VE HEARD THAT MORE THAN ONCE ON THE DAIS TODAY.

INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.

THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE LEAVE ALL THE TIME, RIGHT? SO YOU CANNOT RELY ON INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE BEING A GIVEN INDIVIDUAL, RIGHT.

OTHERWISE, ANNETTE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO STEP IN AND SUDDENLY BECOME CITY MANAGER IF, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAD ALL THAT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE'RE DOING, IT IS CODIFIED SOMEWHERE AND IT IS RETAINED SOMEWHERE, AND WE DON'T LOSE IT WHEN THE POWER GOES OUT.

RIGHT? SO I I, I WOULD JUST SAY, LET'S, LET'S, I'M, I'M WITH, I'M WITH BRIAN.

LET'S JUST SAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS WE'D REALLY LOVE TO SEE.

ANNETTE, STEVE, HOW ARE WE GONNA GET THERE? AND IF THAT MEANS THAT WE HIRE FOR NOW AN EXTERNAL PLANNER, WHETHER IT'S A CONSULTANT, THE INDIVIDUAL YOU'RE SPEAKING OF WHO HAS INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, OR SOMEONE WHO'S NOT, BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT THIS IS WHAT THEY DO, THEN LET THEM COME AND SAY, THAT'S WHAT WE, WE NEED TO GET DONE IN ORDER FOR US TO MEET YOUR TIMELINE.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE IF WE'RE WILLING TO FOOT THE BILL.

ANYBODY WHO'S WORKING OUTSIDE, THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT BACK PLANS AND THE WRITINGS AND THE DIAGRAMS AND EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BECOME OUR INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.

SO THAT'S WHERE I AM.

READY TO MOVE ON? I DON'T KNOW.

ARE WE, I'M LOOKING, SO I'M ASKING, WELL, I THINK, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE DIRECTION IN THAT ? UM, GENERALLY, BUT I WOULD, UH, AND HOPEFULLY THIS DRIVES WITH, UM, STEVE'S GOALS, BUT BASED ON THE, UM, FEEDBACK I'VE BEEN HEARING THROUGHOUT MY LONG EIGHT MONTHS HERE, , , UM, I REALLY DO THINK WORKING ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS A CLEAR PRIORITY.

WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH IT.

UH, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR IT.

UM, IT IS A REALLY CRITICAL TOOL TO ADDRESS A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

SO TO ME, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THAT GOING.

'CAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH TO IT, WE CAN CHIP AWAY AT IT, UM, WHILE ALL THESE OTHER BIGGER CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING.

AND THEN, UM, BECAUSE SO MUCH HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN UPTOWN AND WE WERE SO CLOSE TO BEING DONE WITH THAT PROCESS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD COMPLETE IT.

UM, THE RESIDENTS UP THERE, OF COURSE, FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GETTING WAY TOO MUCH ATTENTION, WITH THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS AND THINGS HAPPENING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT, UM, THAT, THAT'S JUST KIND OF MY THOUGHTS ON THE, ALL THE PROJECTS

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THAT ARE ON THE LIST.

UM, I THINK WE'LL GET A LOT OF BANG FOR THE BUCK AND ADDRESSING THE LDC, UM, IN ALL OF THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT NEED TO GET CORRECTED OR UPDATED OR MODERNIZED OR WHATEVER TO MAKE IT EASIER TO USE.

SO THOSE ARE JUST MY 2 CENTS ON IT.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE, WERE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT CFA.

SO YES, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT CAN BE REUSED, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE A, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

IT'S NOT CLOSE TO BEING DONE.

ALRIGHT, NOW WE HAVE, ARE WE INTO HOUSING? YES.

AND I THINK THAT SLIDE STARTS ON, I THINK ONE 18.

I'M JUST GONNA SLIDE OVER.

YEAH, JUST STAY, I WARMED IT UP FOR YOU.

YOU'RE IN THE HOT SEAT'S.

I'M IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT.

ALL THE HOUSING TOUCHES, EVERYTHING IN OUR CITY AND IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING ALONG IN THE PLAN DOCUMENT, IT STARTS ON PAGE 53 OF THE ACTUAL COMMUNITY PLAN.

YOU THANK YOU, ANNETTE.

UM, OKAY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET STARTED NOW WITH THE HOUSING DISCUSSION.

UM, AS ANNETTE SAID, IT IS COMMUNITY PLAN.

PAGE 53 BEGINS THE HOUSING, UM, SECTION IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

UM, SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THE CITY HAS TAKEN A LOT OF STRIDES TO ADDRESS HOUSING.

UM, THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT IS NEW, RELATIVELY NEW.

SO IT WAS JUST, UH, COUNCIL, UH, INSTRUCTED, UM, THAT THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT WOULD BE INSTITUTED IN 2021, UM, WHICH WAS AN ACTION THAT CAME OUT OF THE HOUSING STUDY THAT WAS A REGIONAL HOUSING STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN 20 19, 20 20, 20 21.

SO, UM, I AM SIX WEEKS INTO THE ROLE OF HOUSING MANAGER, AND WE ARE ON RESET.

AND WE ARE, WE JUST WENT THROUGH A REORGANIZATION WHERE THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT FALLS NOW UNDER THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS REALLY FANTASTIC BECAUSE IT WILL ALLOW A LOT OF, UM, SYNERGY.

IT'S, IT'S SYNERGISTIC.

SO IT WILL ALLOW A LOT OF, UM, UH, COORDINATION AND EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT PROCESSES TO BE WORKED THROUGH.

UM, I AM ACTUALLY EXCITED TO SHARE THE FOLLOWING DISCUSSION AND UPDATES, UH, WITH COUNCIL, WHERE WE ARE, WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO.

UH, THERE IS A REVITALIZED ENERGY AND TARGETED TO, UM, TO TARGET THESE APPROACHES TO ADDRESSING HOUSING IN SEDONA AND POTENTIALLY THROUGHOUT THE RE REGION.

SO WITH THAT, SO WITH 2.7% OF THE CITY'S TOTAL OPERATING BUDGET RELATING TO HOUSING, WE DO, WE HAVE A BIG ROLE WITH 2.7%, UM, IN THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD SO FAR, DISCUSSIONS YESTERDAY THERE WHERE HOUSING WAS MENTIONED IN RELATION TO OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY FUNCTIONING, HAS TO DO WITH LIVABILITY, WITH STEWARDSHIP, WITH, UM, SUSTAINABILITY.

THERE'S

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AND JEANNIE, JEANNIE, WHAT TING YOUR BUDGET BESIDES SALARIES? LIKE, I'M SITTING HERE TRYING TO THINK LIKE, HOW DO, HOW HAVE WE SPENT ONE AND A HALF MILLION ON HOUSING, UH, AT THIS POINT? WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S HITTING THAT? SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

AND I'M GOING TO ASK BARBARA TO JUMP IN ONLY IN BIG NUGGETS.

NOT REALLY BIG.

I WILL ASK STERLING TO GIVE US A BREAKDOWN, BUT I BELIEVE THAT ALSO INCLUDES ANY PAYMENTS THAT WE MAKE FOR, LIKE LOANS, FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ANYTHING THAT'S ACTUALLY ALLOCATED TO BE SPENT POTENTIALLY THIS YEAR.

BUT I'LL HAVE STERLING, UM, LOOK IT UP SPECIFICALLY AND GET BACK TO YOU.

I THINK SOME OF THAT IS ON SLIDE 1 24.

YES, WE WILL GET TO THAT.

THANK YOU, BARBARA.

UM, THAT INCLUDES THE PASS THROUGH OF THE CDBG GRANTS, UM, THE CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE WITH OTHER SERVICE PROVIDERS, THAT TYPE OF THING.

ALL OF THAT'S IN.

THEY DO FORECLOSURE COUNSELING.

THANK YOU, BARBARA.

I DON'T PERSONALLY NEED ANY FOLLOW UP THEN.

SO, UM, SO WITH HOUSING, SO THE OVERARCHING TONE HERE IS REALLY CROSS COLLABORATION, WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS, ESTABLISHING RELATIONSHIPS, UH, WITH AGENCIES, WITH OUR NOT-FOR-PROFIT SERVICE PROVIDERS, MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT THE VERDE VALLEY, AND ALSO INTERNALLY WITH CITY DEPARTMENTS ON OUR HOUSING, UH, PROGRAMMING AND INITIATIVES.

UM, SO TO JUST KIND OF GO DOWN, UM, THE PROGRAMS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE CDBG, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, UM, SEDONA HOME REPAIR PROGRAM.

THIS IS IN COLLABORATION WITH VERDE VALLEY HABITAT AND NACO, WHICH IS, AS YOU KNOW, IS THE NORTHERN ARIZONA COUNCIL ON GOVERNMENTS.

IT IS A NONPROFIT CORPORATION THAT REPRESENTS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO PROVIDE A WIDE VARIETY OF SERVICES TO YAVAPAI AND THE COCONINO COUNTIES.

UM, THERE ARE, THERE, WE ALSO, SO THIS PROGRAM IS, UM, KIND OF COOL BECAUSE A HOMEOWNER, UH, TO A MID TO LOWER INCOME HOMEOWNER CAN GET UP TO $30,000 TO, UM, MAKE CRITICAL HOME REPAIRS.

AND THAT MEANS WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, HANDICAP ACCESS, ROOFING, HVAC, UM, THE COLLABORATION PIECE IN THIS IS VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE WE ARE WORKING INTERNALLY WITH OUR CITY DEPARTMENTS LIKE SUSTAINABILITY.

THEY HAVE THE HOME RETROFIT PROGRAM.

UM, BRYCE AND THE SUSTAINABILITY TEAM ARE WORKING WITH THE VERDE VALLEY HABITAT FOR HUMANITY TO CROSS POLLINATE THE PROGRAMS, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T QUALIFY FOR ONE PROGRAM, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOU WOULD QUALIFY FOR ANOTHER PROGRAM.

SO THERE'S A, A SOURCE OF REFERRALS GOING BACK AND FORTH.

UH, WITH THAT, UM, ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE, WE, WE KNOW ABOUT THESE, THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

UM, THIS IS IN COLLABORATION WITH, UM, HOUSING SOLUTIONS OF NORTHERN ARIZONA.

AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT KNOW, THIS IS A NONPROFIT HOUSING ORGANIZATION THAT INCLUDES THE WORK THAT THEY DO INCLUDES CREDIT COUNSELING, UM, PRE, PRE-PURCHASE ASSISTANCE.

THEY ALSO ARE, ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS.

THEY BUILD, UM, THEY HAVE RENTAL PROPERTIES.

UM, SO THEY ARE ALL ABOUT BUILDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR SUSTAINABLE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN NORTHERN ARIZONA.

SO THEY'RE A GREAT PARTNER.

UM, THEY, UM, WITH OUR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, THEY MANAGE THAT PROJECT AND, UM, HOMEOWNERS, OR I'M SORRY, UH, POTENTIAL HOMEOWNERS THAT LIVE, UH, THAT WORK IN SEDONA, WHETHER IT'S IN THE CITY OR WITHIN THE CITY, CONFINES ANY BUSINESS WITHIN THE CITY.

UM, IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO PURCHASE A HOME IN THE VERDE VALLEY REGION, UM, IN SEDONA AND THE VERDE VALLEY REGION, AND THEY NEED SOME, SOME ASSISTANCE, THEY CAN GO UTILIZE THIS PROGRAM AND GET UP TO $40,000 IN DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE WITH THAT.

TO DATE, THIS HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.

AND TO DATE, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVEN HOME PURCHASES THROUGH THE PROGRAM THERE.

DID THEY

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UTILIZE THE FULL AMOUNT OF MONEY AVAILABLE? I'M SORRY? SO DID THEY UTILIZE THE FULL AMOUNT? GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY DO.

AND THESE ARE LOANS.

THESE ARE NOT GRANTS.

THESE ARE LOANS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE PAID BACK UPON A SALE OF A POTENTIAL SALE OF THE HOUSE.

UM, THERE IS ALSO THE RENT LOCAL INITIATIVE, AND THIS IS A, THIS IS AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM, AND THIS IS KIND OF GEARED TOWARD THE SHORT TERM RENTAL MARKET.

UM, THIS IS, UH, TARGETED TO SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTY OWNERS WHO MAY BE INTERESTED IN CONVERTING THEIR HOME FROM A SHORT-TERM RENTAL TO A LONG-TERM RENTAL.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS PROGRAM WILL INCENTIVIZE, THE CITY WILL PAY AN INCENTIVE TO THE POTENTIAL PROPERTY OWNER TO, UM, SHIFT IT OVER TO GET, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE LONG-TERM, UH, RENTAL HOUSING.

TO DATE, WE HAVE HAD NOT, UH, WE, WE HAVE NOT HAD A LOT OF TRACTION IN THIS PROGRAM FOR CERTAIN REASONS.

UM, MAINLY THAT, UM, THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM DOES NOT BRIDGE THE GAP TO WHAT A PROPERTY COULD EARN AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

BUT, UM, WE HAVE HAD, UH, 10, OR I'M SORRY, 11, UH, HOMES THAT ARE PART OF THAT PROGRAM, UH, AS WELL, THERE IS ALSO A DEED RESTRICTION PROGRAM, AND THIS IS A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM WHERE, UH, A HOMEOWNER COULD VOLUNTARILY PLACE A DEED RESTRICTION ON THEIR PROPERTY TO PREVENT IT FROM BECOMING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

UM, AND THIS, THIS PROJECT HAS, UH, GLEANED 13 DEED RESTRICTIONS SINCE ITS INCEPTION LAST YEAR.

JEANNIE, SEE THE, UH, IT SAYS EIGHT OH HSSF RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

SO I WAS SAVING THAT ONE.

BECAUSE THAT ONE IS PENDING, THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN PLACE, BUT WE ARE DESIGNING THAT PROGRAM TO BRING FORWARD TO COUNCIL, UM, PROBABLY NEXT MONTH.

AND THIS IS A, UM, SO I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT VICE MAYOR, BECAUSE THIS IS THE A O FUNDING, THE HOMELESS SERVICES AND SHELTER FUNDING, UM, THAT THE CITY HAD RECEIVED IN THE AMOUNT OF $875,000 IN CHANGE.

UM, THIS IS TO DIRECTLY BENEFIT THOSE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, UH, AND WE ARE ABLE TO PIVOT THE FUNDING.

I'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH A O AND WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES TO, UM, DEVELOP A RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT WOULD PROVIDE RENTAL ASSISTANCE, TEMPORARY RENTAL ASSISTANCE TO THOSE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

CATHOLIC CHARITIES WOULD MANAGE THE PROGRAM, AND IT WOULD PROVIDE MOVE-IN AND TEMPORARY RENTAL ASSISTANCE, UH, FOR THOSE EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS.

AND ALSO, UM, CASE MANAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THE, THE RENTAL, UM, ASSISTANCE PERIOD TO, UM, JUST ENSURE HOUSING STABILITY IS, IS MANAGED AND KEPT AND MAINTAINED.

UM, AND AGAIN, THE, I WANTED TO MENTION HERE THAT THE COLLABORATION WITH THESE OTHER AGENCIES IS REALLY ESSENTIAL, UM, WITH, UM, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE LATER WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOMELESSNESS.

SO I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST PUT A PLACEHOLDER IN THAT THOUGHT.

UM, SOME OF THE INITIATIVES, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? YES.

WOULD THE OTHER DAY AT THE LODGE AND COUNCIL MEETING, YES.

THEY TALKED ABOUT A, UH, PROJECT IN COTTONWOOD, AND I WASN'T CLEAR WHERE IT WAS OR HOW MANY UNITS IT IS, BUT THEY SAID IT WAS REAL, MAYBE IT'S THE HOTEL CONVERSION.

I, I'M NOT SURE.

THEY SAID IT WAS REAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING, LIKE IT WAS 800 AND SOMETHING DOLLARS FOR AN APARTMENT.

I MEAN, REAL AFFORDABLE.

ACROSS FROM HOME DEPOT AND NEXT TO, UM, MCDONALD'S.

AND THEY WERE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE HOSPITALITY WORKERS COULD HAVE ACTUALLY AFFORD TO LIVE THERE.

AND, UH, AND IT WAS JUST OPENING, I THINK IT'S OPEN.

NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? I ABSOLUTELY DO.

AND THANK YOU THAT, THAT IS THE, UM, OAK WASH PROJECT, AND THAT IS IN, UM, A CONVERTED HOTEL THAT'S ON 89 A IN COTTONWOOD

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MCDONALD'S, AND THE CVS, THAT CORRIDOR RIGHT THERE.

IT'S REALLY COOL.

THERE'S 30 SOME ODD UNITS IN THERE.

AND THAT IS ACTUALLY WAS INSTITUTED BY HOUSING SOLUTIONS OF NORTHERN ARIZONA, WHO IS OUR PARTNER WITH THE, UH, DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

UM, SO THAT IS FOR, UH, IT IS VERY AFFORDABLE.

I THINK THEIR LIMIT IS SOMEWHERE IN THE 30% RANGE.

AND SO THAT IS REALLY ADDRESSING A VERY STRONG NEED IN OUR AREA.

SO YEAH, IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.

SO NOW IF, WOULD A DO ALLOW US TO, TO, UH, PROVIDE RENTAL ASSISTANCE OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS? THEY ABSOLUTELY WILL.

FOR THIS PROGRAM, FOR THIS FUNDING, WHICH IS NOT AS RESTRICTIVE AS OTHER FUNDING STREAMS. UM, THIS DOES ALLOW THE USE OF RENTAL ASSISTANCE OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS.

'CAUSE THEY SAID THE ONLY REQUIREMENT WAS THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE A JOB, YOU HAD TO HAVE PROOF THAT YOU HAD A JOB FOR, FOR THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT, YES.

FOR THIS CONVERSION MM-HMM .

YES, THEY DO.

UM, THERE IS A, UM, COMPONENT, BUT THERE, THERE'S ALSO SOME CASE MANAGEMENT THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS.

YES, THEY MENTIONED THAT AS WELL.

SO I WAS JUST READING RECENTLY THAT WE HAVE, UM, ANOTHER CITY IN THE AREA WHO'S DOING RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS, BUT THEY'RE DOING IT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT YET HOMELESS MM-HMM .

BUT, UM, ARE ON THAT EDGE OF BECOMING HOMELESS BECAUSE OF CHANGE IN RENT OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

SO AGAIN, IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TRANSITIONAL HOMELESS AND, YOU KNOW, CHRONIC HOMELESS.

CAN THIS MONEY BE USED TO HELP PEOPLE, UM, MANAGE THAT GAP UNTIL THEY CAN FIGURE OUT THROUGH CASE MANAGEMENT OR WHATEVER, HOW TO EITHER FIND MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR HOW TO, UM, AFFORD THE HOUSING THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN, WHEN THOSE CHANGES SHIFT? OR CAN THIS ONLY BE USED FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY COMPLETELY UNHOUSED? MM-HMM .

YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

COUNSELOR DUNN, UM, THIS FUNDING MUST BE USED FOR THOSE WHO ARE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS CURRENTLY.

UM, IT IS NOT AN EVICTION PREVENTION PROGRAM.

IT'S, IT'S GOT SPECIFIC FUNDING, UM, UH, CRITERIA.

DARN IT.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.

UM, CONTINUE.

SO, INITIATIVES, AGAIN, THE REGIONAL COLLABORATIONS TO ADDRESS HOUSING AND HOUSING RELATED SERVICES, INCLUDING LOCAL AND REGIONAL COLLABORATIONS WITH NONPROFIT SERVICE PROVIDERS.

THIS COMES RIGHT OUT OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

THIS IS A, A HOUSING ACTION ON PAGE 59.

IT IS, UM, A NUMBER FOUR.

SO, UH, WE, AGAIN, WE ARE, THIS IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT, IS A REGIONAL COLLABORATION TO INCREASE CAPACITY OF SERVICES AND TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AND TO PROVIDE BETTER SERVICES FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

UM, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING, AND, AND STEVE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE FULLY, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, TO EXPLORING THE TURNKEY, UM, FACTORY BUILT HOUSING OPTIONS.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT THE A DU ORDINANCE HAS PASSED, UM, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? DO WE WANT TO DO PRE-APPROVED PLANS? DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT, UM, OTHER KINDS OF FACTORY BILL IN TERMS OF WE, AND WE ARE, WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS, UH, TINY HOME, UH, CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.

AND, UM, THE PRE-APPROVED PLANS WOULD BE COOL BECAUSE IT WOULD EASE THE, THE BUILDING PROCESS.

IT WOULD EASE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD EASE EVERYTHING AND IT WOULD SPEED IT UP A LITTLE BIT.

KIND OF LIKE, UM, YAVAPAI COUNTY HAS A PROGRAM CALLED A HOME OF MY OWN, WHICH IS, UM, BASICALLY PRE-APPROVED PLANS THAT THEY CAN USE, UH, WITHIN YAVAPAI COUNTY OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS.

SO, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT'S A FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.

I, I SENSED MY PRESENCE WAS WANTED, UM, .

SO YES, IT, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A PROGRAM THAT'S, THAT'S WORTHY OF LOOKING INTO.

I'M ACTUALLY MEETING WITH SOMEBODY, UM, IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.

I THINK WE

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BOTH ARE.

WELL, IT'S ALL ABOUT ME.

UM, , WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY MEETING WITH SOMEBODY, UH, WHO IS, UH, PRESENTING US WITH, UH, AN OPPORT A POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO LOOK AT, UH, PLANS THAT MIGHT BE USED IN THIS REGARD.

UM, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, UM, CREATING A, UH, A SUBSET OF MANUFACTURERS OUT THERE THAT CAN, UH, WORK WITHIN THE A DOH FRAMEWORK, UH, AND OR OTHER MEANS OF PROVIDING FACTORY BUILT HOMES, UM, SO THAT WE CAN SAY TO, UH, UH, POSSIBLE APPLICANTS THAT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THESE.

UM, AND THERE'S A, A CLEAR PROCESS FOR THIS IF, IF IT FITS WITHIN YOUR NEEDS AND, UH, AND YOUR WANTS.

UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOME OF YAVAPAI COUNTY'S, UH, ALLOWANCES AND ISSUES, UH, ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM OURS, UH, IN THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE VERY HIGH LAND COSTS HERE.

SO EVEN PROVIDING A PLAN FOR SOMEONE TO SAY, IF YOU BUILD IT THIS WAY, YOUR PERMIT PROCESS WILL BE QUICKER.

BUT THERE ARE STILL OTHER, UH, CONSIDERATIONS THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE FOR THAT TO WORK FOR THEM.

UM, BUT YES, WE ARE ARE LOOKING INTO THESE SITUATIONS, UH, TO PROVIDE, UH, UH, A FUTURE APPLICANT WITH EITHER A INFORMATION ON MANUFACTURERS FOR FACTORY BUILT HOMES AND THE, AND THE, UH, THE PROCESS AT WHICH THEY CAN INSTALL THOSE, UH, OR BE, UH, DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR, UH, LIKE YAVAPAI CO.

UM, COUNTY, UM, TO HAVE THESE PLANS THAT ARE PRE-APPROVED AND, UH, IF IT FITS WITHIN THEIR NEEDS, HERE'S THE PROCESS.

THANK YOU, STEVE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

MOVING INTO DEVELOPMENT.

LONG PROCESS HERE.

HOWEVER, UM, WE DO HAVE SOME, UM, THINGS GOING IN, UH, VILLAS ON SHELBY IS THE, UM, 4% LITECH PROJECT THAT IS, UM, SLATED TO BEGIN BUILDING, UH, YOU KNOW, SOON.

I KNOW THAT WE KEEP SAYING IT'S SOON, IT'S SOON, BUT IT REALLY IS SOON THIS TIME.

SO, UM, THIS TIME THEY ARE GOING TO BE, UM, SUBMITTING THEIR, FOR THEIR BUILDING PERMITS.

THEY'RE WAITING ON SOME STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING REPORTING, AND, UM, THEY'RE SCHEDULED TO SUBMIT WITHIN THE NEXT, BEFORE THE END OF, YOU KNOW, THIS DECEMBER.

UM, SO WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.

AND THEN PENDING BUILDING PERMIT, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, THEIR BOND IS SECURE WITH THE ARIZONA FINANCE AUTHORITY.

THAT'S ALL GOOD TO GO.

UM, AND SO AS SOON AS THEY GET BUILDING PERMITS APPROVED THERE, THEY CAN BE READY TO PUT THAT SHOVEL IN THE GROUND.

UM, THAT IS 30 UNITS, AND THAT WILL BE BASED AT THE 60% A MI RANGE.

THERE ARE 24 1 BEDROOMS IN THAT, IN THAT DEVELOPMENT, AND THERE ARE SIX THREE BEDROOMS IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THERE'S ALSO SADDLE ROCK CROSSING, WHICH IS BASICALLY A COMBO, RIGHT? IT'S A LODGING AND IT IS ALSO 46 UNITS OF, UM, AFFORDABLE OR, YOU KNOW, WORKFORCE, IF YOU WILL.

UM, HOUSING THOSE 24 STUDIOS, THERE WOULD BE 24 STUDIOS.

THE 46 TOTAL, 24 STUDIOS, 16 OR ONE BEDROOM, SIX OR TWO BEDROOM.

AND THE RANGES THERE WOULD BE IN THE 80 TO 180 TO ONE 20% A MI RANGE.

UH, GOOD ROW IS LONG JEANIE.

DO WE HAVE AN ETA ON SHOVELING GROUND ON SADDLE ROCK.

DO WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE, WITH CARRIE WITH THE PLANNING? WE HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM THEM AT THIS.

WE HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM HER, FROM THEM AT THIS POINT.

DO WE KNOW WHEN OAK CREEK WATER IS GONNA BE OFF THEIR PROPERTY? IT SEEMED LIKE THEY'RE MORE INTO IT NOW THAN THEY HAVE BEEN TO DATE.

NO, I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

IS THAT CREEK

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OH, I SEE.

YOU SEE WHAT, WE HAVE REALLY GOOD SYNERGY HERE.

IT'S, IT'S A GOOD TEAM.

UM, SO, UH, GOODROW IS ANOTHER, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT IS A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT.

THERE IS NO SUBSIDY REQUIRED FROM THE CITY.

UM, THIS IS A UNIT A, A DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD PROVIDE 54 UNITS, INCLUDING 27 AFFORDABLE, AND THAT ALSO WOULD BE A SLATED TO A WORKFORCE HOUSING.

UM, ADDITIONALLY SUNSET DRIVE, SO THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR THREE YEARS, I CAN COUNTING, BUT THE CITY, UM, OWNS THE PROPERTY IT OWN, UH, THE CITY OWNS THE LOT, AND WE DID GO OUT FOR AN RFP, UM, TO, AND WE ALSO OWN THE ARCHITECTURAL AND BUILDING PLANS, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO WE ISSUED AN RFP THAT, THAT RFP ACTUALLY CLOSES TODAY AT TWO O'CLOCK.

SO WE WILL FIND OUT HOW MANY, UH, DEVELOPERS, WHAT KINDS OF SUBSIDIES THE SUB OR THEY'RE WANTING TO ASK FROM, UM, SEDONA, IF ANY.

UM, SO WE WILL, YOU KNOW, STAY TUNED FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.

BUT THAT PROJECT WILL BE A 46 UNIT PROJECT AT THE 80 TO 120% A MI.

AND, AND WHAT IS NOT ON THE SLIDE, BUT I WANTED TO JUST BRING UP, IS THERE ARE ALSO MARKET RATE UNITS GOING UP AS WE SPEAK.

THERE ARE 60 UNITS, UM, AT NAVAJO LOFTS.

THESE ARE MARKET RATE, 53 OF THEM ARE TWO BEDROOMS, AND SEVEN OF THEM ARE THREE BEDROOMS. AND THEY WILL BE MAKING, UM, A FEW OF THOSE UNITS AVAILABLE FOR SALE.

AND THE DEVELOPER HAS, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IN POTENTIALLY, UM, TO BE USED THERE AS WELL.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THESE LIKE ONE-OFFS WITH THE LODGING, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, THE LODGING COMMUNITY.

SO OAK CREEK HERITAGE IS, UM, BUILDING IN FOUR UNITS OF WORKFORCE HOUSING.

AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT IF THERE ARE ANY BUILDING RENOVATIONS GOING ON, THAT THAT IS CONSIDERED IN THAT PLANNING.

JEANNIE ON GOODROW, WHAT'S THE TIMING ON THAT? THEY'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF P AND Z RECENTLY.

THEY'RE NOT FULLY THROUGH P AND Z YET.

SO THE, THEY ARE, UM, IT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW STAGE.

SO THEY DID SUBMIT THE PLANS.

UM, THERE IS A CORRECTION.

THEY'RE IN THEIR CORRECTION PERIOD RIGHT NOW.

THE DEADLINE FOR THEM TO RESUBMIT CORRECTIONS, UH, IS FEBRUARY, UM, I WANNA SAY IT'S FEBRUARY 4TH.

UM, SO I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH, WITH THEM, AND SO THEY'RE KIND OF ON TRACK TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE NAVAJO LOFTS COMMENT THAT YOU MADE, UM, ON OUR, OUR, UH, DOWN PAYMENT PROGRAM, IS THERE ANY RESTRICTION ON THE FACT THAT IT MUST BE OWNER OCCUPIED? YES.

THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM REQUIRES THAT YOU ARE LIVING IN THAT HOUSE.

BECAUSE IF THEY SELL IT, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S OWNER OCCUPIED.

IF, UM, IF, BUT ONLY IF THEY USE OUR PROGRAM.

IF, IF SOMEBODY, UM, PURCHASES A HOME THROUGH THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO LIVE IN IT.

AND IF THEY DO SELL IT, THEN THEY ARE REQUIRED TO RETURN THE LOAN TO THE CITY.

IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE, OKAY.

PLUS, I WAS TRYING TO ALSO IMPLY ANYONES THAT ARE SOLE MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE OWNER OCCUPIED.

THERE IS A SHORT TERM RENTAL RESTRICTION ON NAVAJO LOFTS.

DENSITY OF BY, INSTEAD OF 12 UNITS PER, IT WAS LIKE 13 OR 13 UNITS PER, IT WAS LIKE VERY MINIMAL.

SO THAT'S GREAT.

UM, DO YOU WANNA EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE FURTHER, PLEASE? SURE.

SO, UM, UH, IN RETURN, THE, THE AGREEMENT, UH, ON THAT ONE, AND I SEE KURT IS OVER THERE, SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS, BUT, UM, , SO THERE WAS A SORT OF AN EXCHANGE, RIGHT? UM, THEY WERE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL, UH,

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AND FOR THAT, UM, FOR THAT CONCESSION, THE, UM, DEVELOPER, UM, AGREED TO, TO RESTRICT SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON THE, THAT ENTIRE PROPERTY, UH, FOR 30 YEARS.

THE REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT IN HOUSING.

SO, UM, ON NOVEMBER 12TH, THE, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BROUGHT FORWARD A, UM, YOU KNOW, AN AGENDA ITEM, UH, BEFORE COUNCIL FOR THE A DU ORDINANCE, UH, WHICH WAS, UM, PASSED ON NOVEMBER 12TH.

SO THAT ORDINANCE WILL, IT, IT'S 30 DAYS FROM WHEN IT PASSED.

SO THAT ORDINANCE WILL, UM, BECOME LIVE ON DECEMBER 13TH, WHICH I THINK IS TOMORROW, FRIDAY THE 13TH.

SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD.

AND I THINK, UM, IF YOU HAD ANY, IF YOU WANTED TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THE A DU ORDINANCE, STEVE IS YOUR MAN, YOU KEEP DOING THAT , UM, BUT YOU MIGHT WANNA SAY WHAT IT ENTAILS, REALLY.

YEAH, THEY APPROVED IT.

WELL, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, SO SHE'S FORCING ME INTO THIS, BUT, UM, THAT AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UH, THE MAJOR, UH, BENEFIT OF THAT ORDINANCE, UM, UM, WAS TO ALLOW FULL KITCHENS AND HOPEFULLY THROUGH THE ALLOWANCE OF FULL KITCHENS, UM, UH, WE MIGHT, UH, BE ABLE TO SWITCH OVER SOME OF THOSE TO, UM, LONG RANGE OR, OR LONG TERM, SORRY, UH, RENTAL INSTEAD OF SHORT TERM RENTAL.

UH, ANOTHER, UH, MAJOR COMPONENT OF THAT WAS THAT IF YOU WERE GOING TO SHORT TERM RENT AND A DU, THEN YOU, THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD NEED TO, UH, HAVE THE MAIN HOUSE AS YOUR PRINCIPAL RESIDENCE.

RIGHT? UM, IT DOES, YOU KNOW, PASS DOWN THROUGH THE STATE TOO.

SO, UM, THANK YOU STEVE.

AND ADDITIONALLY, UM, MOVING ON TO THE DIGA, UM, THIS IS A DOCUMENT, IT IS THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES GUIDELINE.

IT'S A MOUTHFUL.

IT'S THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES AND GUIDELINES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND THIS DOCUMENT REALLY IS, UM, THEIR GUIDELINES AND INCENTIVES TO ENCOURAGE THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE RETENTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN SEDONA.

UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES DEVELOPERS WILL WANT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILD, YOU KNOW, BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT HAVE SOME EXCEPTION.

THERE'S, THEY MIGHT ASK FOR SOME EXCEPTIONS IN THE CODE, SUCH AS HEIGHT EXCEPTION OR MAYBE A SETBACK OR DENSITY.

UM, AND SO THIS WOULD BE, THIS IS POLICY, UM, TO GRANT THE EXCEPTIONS IN EXCHANGE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.

UM, THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TO KIND OF MAKE IT MORE EFFECTIVE, UM, AND MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT FOR DEVELOPERS TO, UM, BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE DOCUMENT TO MAKE IT EASIER TO BUILD.

UM, SO THAT IS AN ONGOING, UM, PROCESS THAT IS ON OUR TO-DO LIST, UM, MOVING FORWARD.

UM, AND THEN I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT, UH, AND THE POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE QUALIFIED ALLOCATION PLAN, UH, FOR 2025.

SO, UM, FOR, UM, I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS KNOW THIS, BUT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE, THE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING WHO MIGHT NOT KNOW WHAT A, THE QUALIFIED ALLOCATION PLAN IS, THE, THESE, THESE PLANS ARE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE FEDERAL LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT, AND, UM, MEANING, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY CONTROL NEARLY ALL OF THE NATION'S AFFORDABLE RENTAL, HOUSING, PRODUCTION AND REHAB.

SO THERE'S ABOUT $10 BILLION SPENT ON THAT FEDERALLY,

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SO, UM, SO EVERY YEAR THE QUALIFIED ALLOCATION PLAN GETS CHANGED, YOU KNOW, IT GETS TWEAKED.

UM, STAKEHOLDERS LOOK AT IT AND THEY HAVE INPUT INTO WHAT GOES INTO THE FINAL QAP, UM, AND EVERY THREE.

SO EVERY YEAR IT CHANGES, BUT EVERY THREE YEARS IT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.

SO 2025 IS THE YEAR FOR THE SIGN SIGNIFICANT CHANGE OF RULES, AND I KIND OF WANNA EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US, FOR US TO KNOW ABOUT IT AND THINK ABOUT IT.

UM, AND THAT IS BECAUSE I WILL USE AN EXAMPLE OF THE VILLAS ON SHELBY.

SO THEY APPLIED FOR A 9% LITECH PROJECT.

UM, YOU KNOW, A FEW YEARS AGO IN THE PLANNING STAGE OF THIS, THEY DID NOT RECEIVE THE 9% TAX CREDIT AWARD, AND THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE THE TAX CREDIT AWARD BECAUSE IT WAS AWARDED TO THE YAVAPAI NATION.

UM, AND IF YOU ARE IN A TRIBAL, UM, IF YOU'RE A TRIBAL ENTITY, YOU AUTOMATICALLY SCORE HIGHER ON THE LITECH PROJECT.

AND SO IT WAS, UM, UM, IT WAS SKEWED.

IT WAS KIND OF SKEWED, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T AN EVIL E IT WASN'T AN EQUAL PLAYING FIELD.

AND SO THE AWARD FOR YAVAPAI COUNTY WENT TO THE YAVAPAI NATION.

SO AFTER THAT OCCURRED, UM, THE QA, NEW QAP CAME, YOU KNOW, COMMENT PERIOD CAME OUT AND THEY SHIFTED IT KNOWING THAT IT WASN'T AN EQUAL PLAYING FIELD.

SO THEY SHIFTED THE RULES, UH, IN THE CURRENT QAP.

SO THE CURRENT QAP, UM, IS THAT, UM, THERE'S A SEPARATE POT OF MONEY FOR TRIBAL, AND THERE'S A SEPARATE FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTY.

SO, UM, THIS GIVES AN ABILITY FOR US TO, IF COUNCIL DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO GO FORWARD WITH A 9% TAX CREDIT PROJECT FOR THIS ROUND, THERE IS A SLIM WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO, UM, BRING A PROJECT FORWARD THAT COULD POTENTIALLY SCORE HIGH TO BE ABLE TO GET THE AWARD.

NOT SURE, UM, AFTER THE RULES CHANGE, IT COULD CHANGE.

SO IT'S KIND, IT'S AN UNKNOWN.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP FOR YOUR EDIFICATION.

AND THEN, OKAY.

UM, AND THEN ANOTHER REGULATORY AREA, WHICH I THINK KURT IS GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IS THE RECENT, UM, HOUSING SHORTAGE EMERGENCY RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED ON DECEMBER 10TH.

SO IT'S NOT ON YOUR SLIDE.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I THINK BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO THAT, COULD I ASK, YEAH.

DID WE EVER RESOLVE YESTERDAY? WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT AGAIN, AND IT WAS THE WORDING FROM THE OTHER NIGHT.

WE NEVER RESOLVED THE MAY VERSUS WILL LANGUAGE IN THE DIGA.

CAN I ASK YOU, KURT, HOW CAN WE GET THAT RESOLVED? BECAUSE THAT WAS LEFT, WE DIDN'T FINISH OUT THE OTHER NIGHT.

AND SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIGGA AND INCENTIVES AND SO, SO, UH, STAFF'S LOOKING AT, UH, BRINGING BACK REVISIONS TO THE DIGA, AND I THINK WE CAN RESOLVE THAT AT THAT TIME.

STAFF WILL HAVE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN COUNCIL CAN DEBATE THAT.

SO OKAY.

JUST DON'T WANT THAT TO FALL OFF THE, THE MAP BECAUSE IT WAS LEFT HANGING WITHOUT, WE NEVER GOT BACK.

WE JUST NEVER GOT BACK TO IT.

THE WAY THE DIGGER READS IS IT'S A, IT'S THE CITY HAS TO ON LOW INCOME AND THEN MAY ON PART INCOME IF IT'S A MIXED DEVELOPMENT OF SOME AFFORDABLE AND SOME NOT.

UM, AND SO I THINK STAFF WILL REVIEW IT AND THEN OKAY.

WHEN THE DIGGER COMES BACK, IS WHEN THAT'LL BE THE TIME FOR THAT TO BE.

FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES.

UM, SO THIS SPEAKS TO THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, UH, ACTION, UM, HOUSING ACTION, WHICH IS NUMBER FIVE.

UM, WE ARE EXPLORING AND LOOKING AT AND WORKING WITH AND THINKING ABOUT, UM, THE WESTERN GATEWAY

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CFA PROPERTIES.

SO THAT INCORPORATES THE 40 ACRES OF THE WESTERN GATEWAY, UM, PARCEL.

IT INCORPORATES, UM, THAT, THAT SWATH ALONG 89 A, WHICH IS PART OF THE WESTERN GATEWAY, CFA, WHICH INCLUDES N NA, UH, NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE, UM, PROPERTIES.

UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL HOTEL OR REDEVELOPMENT CONVERSIONS.

UM, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE VERY NASCENT, BUT THEY ARE ON OUR RADAR AND WE ARE IN VARIOUS STAGES OF, UM, CONVERSATIONS REGARDING THESE ITEMS. AND THERE'S A FEW OTHERS, UM, THAT ARE ALSO VERY, UM, UH, PRELIMINARY.

UM, WE ARE ALSO ANOTHER FUTURE, UH, OTHER FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES THAT MAY NOT HAVE LANDED ON THIS SLIDE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL FOR LAND ACQUISITION, LAND ACQUISITION TO PRESERVE AVAILABLE LAND FOR HOUSING PURPOSES, UH, REGARDLESS OF THE A MI RANGE, RIGHT? WHATEVER, BUT FOR HOUSING TO PRESERVE THAT IN, YOU KNOW, AN UNOFFICIAL LAND BANK.

UM, AND THEN I AM ALSO TALKING TO THREE SEPARATE ENTITIES IN THE REGION.

EACH OF THEM HAVE, UM, COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, UM, OPTIONS, UM, IN VARIOUS STATES OF READINESS TO, TO BE READY TO GO.

SO THESE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT I'M HAVING, UM, TO DETERMINE THE VIABILITY OF, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH SOMEBODY WITH AN ENTITY, UM, WHO DOES HAVE A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, 5 0 1 C3 THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR PERHAPS THE CITY OF SEDONA TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT YOU GO FIRST.

UH, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION A WHILE BACK ABOUT OUR REGIONAL COMMUNITIES, BRINGING A LAND TRUST, AND I ASKED ONE OF THE MAYORS IN OUR LOCAL AREA IF THERE WAS ANY PROGRESS BEING MADE ON THAT.

AND THAT PERSON INDICATED THERE WAS MM-HMM .

SO ARE, IS IT CLARKDALE AND COTTONWOOD MOVING FORWARD OR WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE? SO, UM, YES, AND, AND THE MAYOR WAS PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS ORIGINALLY, UM, WHEN THEIR REGIONAL, UM, HOUSING COLLABORATION WAS LOOKED AT AND, AND TRY TO GET OFF THE GROUND WITH THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST.

SO, SO YES, THAT IS THE, UM, I CAN NEVER REMEMBER THE ACRONYM.

IT'S THE VVD.

OH, VV RIO? NO, NO VV.

YEAH, IT'S ANOTHER, YEAH, BUT IT'S, IT'S UNDER THAT, IT'S, IT'S UNDER OTHER, THEIR UMBRELLA.

SEPARATE GROUP.

IT'S THE V-V-D-V-V-C-D-O, I THINK.

GOOD GUESS .

IT'S UNDERNEATH THE UMBRELLA OF THAT.

THAT IS ONE, THAT IS ONE OF THE ENTITIES THAT IS LOOKING TO DEVELOP A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST, UM, ACTIVITY.

THERE ARE TWO OTHERS THAT ARE ALSO REGIONAL, UM, AND THAT ARE IN VARIOUS STAGES OF REALLY ACTUALLY GETTING IT OFF THE GROUND AND MOVING FORWARD.

SO I'M SURE YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT AS WE GET MORE DETAIL ON THOSE, ON THOSE.

YOU THINK THAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY TIMEFRAME? ACTUALLY, I DO.

UM, SO ONE OF THE, UM, ONE OF THE ENTITIES, UM, WE'LL BE READY TO GO LIVE WITH THEIR PROJECT, UH, IN FEBRUARY FROM WHAT I AM TOLD.

CAN LOOK MORE INTO IT TO GET SOME SPECIFIC DETAILS BECAUSE I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THAT WOULD, THAT MIGHT BE A HUGE HELP TO ALL MM-HMM .

JEANNIE, COULD YOU ELABORATE IF YOU KNOW THE BENEFIT OR IMPACT ON IN CAMP BRODY THAT THEIR, THEY'RE BUILDING ALMOST A THOUSAND UNITS.

OUR PLAN 300 WOULD BE WORKFORCE HOUSING.

ARE YOU AWARE OF ANYTHING OF THAT PROJECT? I, I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE ARE CLOSE NUMBERS TO ACCURACY.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU ON THAT, MAYOR.

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FIVE COMMUNITIES AS WELL AS THE COUNTY, SO.

AND THESE ARE EXCELLENT CONVERSATIONS THAT WE, UH, ARE HAVING AND THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING MORE OF.

UH, BRIAN, THANK YOU.

I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS, JEANNIE, ON THE NAH POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHO IS DRIVING THAT ON OUR SIDE? I KNOW WE CAN'T MAKE THEM MOVE ANY FASTER THAN THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE, BUT WHO IS DRIVING THAT ON OUR SIDE? AND MY SENSITIVITY IS, IS IT'S ADJACENT TO THE WESTERN GATEWAY THAT WE'RE MASTER PLANNING.

AND I WOULD JUST REALLY HATE TO SEE US NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT MUTUAL PLANNING EFFORTS.

SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? UM, YES, I ABSOLUTELY CAN.

AND WE, UM, STEVE AND I ACTUALLY, UM, HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH, UM, PEOPLE AT NAH AND TALKED JUST ABOUT THAT VERY THING THAT THE WESTERN GATEWAY, UM, PROPERTY WAS BEING LOOKED AT, WAS BEING MASTER PLANNED, AND THAT THIS COULD BE AN ACTUAL SEAMLESS KIND OF, UM, APPROACH.

SO, SO OBVIOUSLY, UH, NEH IS ONE OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS.

UM, THEY ARE A PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

UM, THIS WAS OUR FIRST DISCUSSION ON THAT.

UH, UM, UH, THEY'RE VERY AWARE OF THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS, UM, AWARE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DUPLICATE EFFORTS, UM, AND, UH, SEEM VERY OPEN TO MANY MORE DISCUSSIONS.

BUT IT'S STILL A BLACK HOLE AS FAR AS HOW FAST THEY'LL MOVE AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING.

I, I, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WANTED TO DO WAS LIKE A MARKET FEASIBILITY STUDY.

AND YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WE KNOW THAT, UM, HEALTHCARE IS A HUGE, YOU KNOW, ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS WELL.

AND HOUSING FOR HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS AND, AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, OTHER KINDS OF THINGS LIKE SENIOR HOUSING PROJECTS AND THINGS.

SO, AND ANY WELLNESS RELATED FACILITY WOULD BE IDEALLY LOCATED RIGHT NEXT TO THE EMERGENCY CENTER AS OPPOSED TO AT THE CULTURAL PARK PROPERTY.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO, I, I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT IF IT'S TAG ON, GO AHEAD.

NO, NO, IT'S DIFFERENT.

SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, AND, AND I THINK THIS IS AN EDUCATING US KIND OF QUESTION, AND SOME FOLKS MAY ALREADY UN KNOW ALL OF IT, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT DO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT LEGAL VEHICLES EXIST FOR, HOW TO DO LAND ASSEMBLAGES, TRUSTS, INVESTMENTS, WHATEVER IT IS? I DON'T, I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE VARIOUS OPTIONS AND ALTERNATIVES ARE FOR HOW WE CAN CREATIVELY ADDRESS HOUSING.

UM, SO DO WE HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE IN HOUSE NOW? HAVE WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE WE MAPPED IT OUT OF, YOU KNOW, HERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO SKIN THIS CAT? I'LL, I'LL START BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION OF THAT AMONG STAFF.

WE ARE AWARE OF SOME DIFFERENT MODELS.

UM, CURRENTLY THE CITY, UH, THE, WE, WE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GONNA BE DEVELOPED LONG BEFORE WE, THE CITY'S PROPERTY THAT IS PURCHASED.

THE SETTING ASIDE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING SEEMS LIKE THEY'LL BE DEVELOPED LONG BEFORE WE NEED TO, TO ESTABLISH A LARGER NECESSARY LAND BANK MODEL.

UM, AND, AND THAT IN EFFECT, WE KIND OF ALREADY HAVE A DEFACTO LAND BANK FOR THE, FOR THE CITY PROJECTS.

UM, I'M NOT A PART OF THE LARGER DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THOSE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND HOW THE CITY MIGHT, UM, JOIN IN THOSE EFFORTS.

BUT I, I KNOW, UM, HOUSING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN LOOKING INTO THAT IN THE PAST, AND I THINK WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO.

AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, WE GET 3.2 MILLION VISITORS HERE AND A LOT OF 'EM REALLY LIKE IT, RIGHT? AND, UH, THEY, THEY FALL IN LOVE WITH SEDONA.

CAN WE GET 'EM TO FALL IN LOVE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT NEED HOUSING HERE? AND CAN WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO, UH, CAN WE MAKE AVAILABLE TO THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DONATE TO A FUND THAT COULD HELP WITH BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING? UH, I WOULD THINK THERE BE, MIGHT BE SOME FOLKS THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO STROKE A CHECK FOR THAT.

SO JUST KIND OF CURIOUS.

I MEAN, THERE ISN'T ANY LEGAL REASON WHY WE COULDN'T DO THAT, RIGHT? NO.

THANK YOU, KATHY.

SO THIS SORT OF FOLLOWS ON THE BE PREPARED PATH THAT I THINK, UH, COUNCILOR VOLTZ IS, IS GOING DOWN, WHICH IS WE, EVERY SO OFTEN PROPERTIES COME UP, UH, THAT WE WOULD WANT TO USE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT MIGHT BECOME AVAILABLE TO US FOR VARIOUS USES, WHETHER IT'S RECREATION USE OR MORE

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COMMONLY A HOUSING USE.

UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE PREPARED TO SEIZE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WHEN THEY ARRIVE.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE POTENTIAL FUTURE PROJECTS OF A HOTEL REDEVELOPMENT, CONVERSIONS.

WELL, WE WOULD NEED TO BE READY TO PURCHASE.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING, I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP IN PAST YEARS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE STAND.

AND THIS HAS TO GO, THIS GOES TO REALLY A NET 'CAUSE THIS TRAVERSES A COUPLE OF DEPARTMENTS.

UM, WHERE DO WE STAND ON HAVING LIKE A, AN ACQUISITION LINE ITEM, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR LAND ACQUISITIONS IN THE, IN THE BUDGET.

SO, THANK YOU COUNSELOR KINSELLA.

UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, BARBARA AND I ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT OR HAVE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT IN HOW THE CITY SETS ASIDE FUNDING FOR POTENTIAL PURCHASING, FOR EXAMPLE, LAND.

UM, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, RESTRICTIONS THE STATE OF ARIZONA HAS ON CITY BUDGETS, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT HOW WE CATEGORIZE THOSE FUNDS SO THAT YOU DO HAVE ACCESS TO THEM DURING THE YEAR WHEN AN OPPORTUNITY COMES UP.

AND SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THE CITY'S RESERVE POLICIES AND CONTINGENCY POLICIES IN ORDER TO, UM, CREATE THAT.

UM, SO YOU WILL BE SEEING, UM, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS COME FORWARD AND THE PROPOSED BUDGET AS WELL AS COMPANION, UH, POLICY DOCUMENTS THAT MAY NEED TO BE UPDATED SO THAT WE CAN DO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

TO THAT POINT, THIS 10 MILLION, $50,000 IS THAT IT SAYS AFFORDABLE HOUSING RESERVE FUTURE PROJECT LOANS.

IS THAT RESTRICTED TO LOANS? CORRECT.

RIGHT NOW IN THE BUDGET THAT MONEY IS IN A RESERVE ACCOUNT AND IT HAS VERY LIMITED USES.

SO IT IS NOT AVAILABLE IN THE CURRENT YEAR TO SPEND ON ANYTHING ELSE.

UM, SO IF WE HAD, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE GET TO THE SUNSET LOFTS PROPOSALS, IF ANY OF WHOEVER THE WINNING PROPOSAL IS MAY ASK, WE NEED A LOAN OF X AMOUNT FOR THIS PROJECT, THAT WOULD BE WHERE THOSE FUNDS COULD COME FROM.

BUT THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE IN THE CURRENT YEAR TO SPEND ON ANYTHING ELSE.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

DID YOU? THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GONNA ASK.

I THOUGHT WHEN WE, UH, PUT SURPLUS MONEY INTO THAT FUND, IT WAS JUST USE IT HOWEVER, WE NO, UNFORTUNATELY NECESSARY FOR THAT PURPOSE.

IN WHETHER IT WAS LAND ACQUISITION OR A LOAN, THE WAY IT WAS SET UP IN THE LAST BUDGET, AND I'VE TRIPLE CHECKED WITH FINANCE ON THIS MULTIPLE TIMES, , UM, IT WAS DESIGNATED AS A RESERVE FOR QUOTE BALANCE SHEET LOANS, MEANING, UM, IT'S, UH, NOT AVAILABLE TO SPEND ON ANYTHING ELSE.

CAN THAT BE CHANGED AT THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR? YES.

YES, IT CAN.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE 'CAUSE THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS OUR INTENTION AT ALL.

IT HAS BEEN NOTED , UH, AND IT BRINGS US TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

UM, UH, SO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING RESERVE EIGHT, APPROXIMATELY 8.8, HAS BEEN ALLOCATED TO PROJECTS.

UM, FOR EXAMPLE, SUNSET, THE SUNSET DRIVE THE SUN, ALL OF PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AS SUNSET LOFTS PROJECT.

UM, THAT RESERVE IS A 4.2 MILLION RESERVE.

WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT'S GOING TO WIND UP BEING, BUT 4.2 MILLION IS IN THERE FOR THAT PROJECT.

THE VILLAS ON SHELBY WAS, UM, SUBSIDIZED WITH 2.25 MILLION.

UM, THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM ALSO FALLS INTO THAT FUND, AND THAT WAS, UH, 400,000 EARMARKED OF THAT 156 AND CHANGE HAVE BEEN LOANED, AND THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 240 REMAINING, UM, IN THAT, IN THAT CATEGORY.

UM, AND JEANNIE, BEFORE YOU DIVE INTO THE NEXT SLIDE, I DO WANNA, UH, MENTION THAT I ASKED THE CHIEF AND DEPUTY CHIEF TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THIS PORTION OF THE DISCUSSION, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHERE HE WANTED TO GO AND TALKING ABOUT THE HOMELESSNESS.

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UM, AND THANK YOU, UH, CHIEF AND DEPUTY CHIEF FOR BEING HERE.

SO THE HOMELESS NEEDS ASSESSMENT, UM, THE, UH, CONSULTANTS VM ADVISING WERE, UM, BEFORE COUNCIL JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

THAT WAS ON 26TH OF NOVE OF NOVEMBER, RIGHT BEFORE THANKSGIVING.

AND THEY, UM, PRESENTED, UM, THEIR INFORMATION ABOUT THE ASSESSMENT THAT THEY WERE WORKING ON.

SO ESSENTIALLY, UM, ESSENTIALLY 600 SEPARATE HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS ARE, YOU KNOW, UM, ESTIMATED TO BE, UM, IN THE VERDE VALLEY.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DO MOVE AROUND, RIGHT? SO, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT AT, AT ANY GIVEN TIME, IN ANY TIME IN ANY PLACE IN THE VERDE VALLEY, THERE'S POTENTIALLY 600 PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

UM, THE STUDY, UM, BROUGHT FORTH, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, TO EXPLORE THE DEVELOPMENT OF A REGIONAL OUTREACH TEAM, UH, TO EXPLORE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, OF A HOUSING STABILITY TEAM TO, UM, EXPLORE REHOUSING STRATEGIES IN WHICH WE, WE ARE ALREADY CURRENTLY EXPLORING WITH THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE, UM, PROGRAM, UH, WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES.

UM, WE WANT TO BRING, BE ABLE TO BRING MORE SERVICES TO THE AREA TO BE ABLE TO HELP SUPPORT THE COMMUNITIES.

UM, AND THEN THE STRATEGIC PLAN TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS.

UM, AFTER GETTING THE COUNCIL FEEDBACK AND, AND DISCUSSION ON THE 26TH OF NOVEMBER, UM, THAT WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO A KIND OF A FINAL, UM, KIND OF DRAFT STRATEGIC PLAN TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS.

AND THAT WILL COME BEFORE COUNCIL IN JANUARY.

AND I THINK THE DATE CHANGED ON THAT.

IT'S NOT, IT'S NO LONGER THE 15TH.

IT'S, UM, I THINK IT'S 20 THE LAST WEEK, 28TH OF JANUARY.

SO, AND WITH THAT, UM, WE HEARD YESTERDAY FROM CHIEF FOLEY ABOUT A POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, NEW ROLE FOR, UH, A HOMELESS OUTREACH, YOU KNOW, OFFICER, UH, WHICH WOULD TIE INTO THIS ASSESSMENT AND PLAN TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS.

AND WE HEARD FROM THE DEPUTY CHIEF ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE IN THE COTTONWOOD AREA WITH THIS KIND OF A, A, A ROLE.

UM, AND SO, SO THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS.

I, I GUESS THAT WILL NEED TO BE FURTHER HAD, UM, FOR THE BUDGETARY REQUIREMENTS TO DISCUSS THE BUDGETARY REQUIREMENTS WITH AN EFFORT LIKE THIS.

SO THIS IS A BIG NUT TO CRACK, RIGHT? AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT STRATEGICALLY TO SEE HOW MUCH, WHAT KINDS OF, YOU KNOW, THINGS MAYBE THE CITY POSSIBLY, UH, WOULD LIKE TO, UM, FUND, IF ANY.

RIGHT? SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE TALKS TO BE, UH, LOOKED AT THING, UH, DISCUSSIONS TO BE HAD.

UM, BUT I'M ALMOST AFRAID TO SAY THAT THE, UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A REGIONAL, UM, APPROACH TO ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS, THE TOTAL COST FOR THAT IS PRETTY BIG.

BUT YOU COULD PIECEMEAL IT, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU COULD BREAK IT OUT.

SO, UH, THEY WERE ESTIMATING ABOUT $11 MILLION FOR A, UM, YOU KNOW, REGIONAL, A REGIONAL SOLUTION.

AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN, YOU KNOW, ONLY SEDONA, OF COURSE, THAT MEANS OUR COLLAB, OUR COLLABORATING MUNICIPALITIES.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER, UH, BREAKOUTS, YOU KNOW, RAPID REHOUSING IS IN THE $4 MILLION RANGE.

PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS MAYBE ONE AND A HALF MILLION.

THE STREET OUTREACH TEAM, THAT'S ANOTHER AMOUNT.

UM, SO, SO, YOU KNOW, JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT.

AND DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HOMELESS STUDY? YES, I'M SURE YOU DO.

I THOUGHT THAT COUNCIL DIRECTION WAS VERY CLEAR THAT A NEXT STEP WAS WE WANTED TO HEAR FROM CATHOLIC CHARITIES EASY, COMPLETE HEALTH, SAHA, THE AGENCIES THAT ALREADY EXIST AND OR ARE CONTRACTED TO PROVIDE SERVICES.

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LIKE, I WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM BEFORE EVEN CONTEMPLATING COMMITTING A DIME TO ANY KIND OF EXPENDITURE.

WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING PROVIDED BEFORE WE START PLANNING TO SPEND ANY OTHER MONIES.

AND THAT IS THE PLAN FOR THAT JANUARY WORK SESSION YES.

IS TO INVITE THOSE FOLKS.

THAT WILL BE, UM, YOUR WEDNESDAY WORK SESSION AT THE END OF JANUARY IS THIS DRAFT STRATEGY, THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

UM, SO IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE PREMATURE TODAY TO TRY TO ASK YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO PAY FOR.

UM, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW, I, I THINK I HEARD FROM THE COUNCIL THAT YES, YOU'RE INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING THIS DEEPER, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR ROLE IS, HOW, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN THIS SPACE.

UM, BUT WE ARE PLANNING TO BRING ALL OF THAT BACK.

HOLLY, THEN MELISSA, WHAT'D YOU DO? OH, WE DROPPED THROUGH.

OH, MAN.

WHAT I'VE SEEN THAT ONE HAPPEN IN.

THAT'S VERY DRAMATIC, ANNETTE.

SO I'LL EVEN MELISSA UNINTENDED, I, I DON'T SEE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY TO HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN PRESENTED TO US IN JANUARY.

WELL, AS A DRAFT, NOT EVEN AS A DRAFT.

THERE'S A, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF YOU FEEL, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO HEAR FROM THESE FOLKS AND WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE SERVICES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED OR SHOULD, I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M WITH, UH, BRIAN, I'M NOT READY TO COMMIT A DIME UNTIL I KNOW WHAT THE LANDSCAPE LOOKS LIKE, WHICH I DON'T THINK THEY WERE, I DON'T THINK THE REPORT THAT WE WERE GIVEN, THAT WAS A BIG MISSING COMPONENT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IN THAT REPORT.

SO THEY SAID THEY SPOKE TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS.

THEY NEVER SHARED WHAT THE STAKEHOLDER, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE, WHERE THE GAP IS AND MISSING SERVICES THAT WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT, I SAY MIGHT WITH THE BIG MIGHT, LOTS OF, YEAH.

, I THINK THAT'S EXPLANATION, UH, WANNA STEP INTO.

BUT I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO BEING READY FOR A PLAN IF I, YEAH.

ADDING ON THAT, I MEAN, IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME THAT THE LARGEST EMPHASIS IN THAT PLAN THAT WE DID HERE ABOUT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY A REGIONAL COLLABORATION IS THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS.

AND I, I, I'M OKAY WITH GIVING DIRECTION TO START THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE REGIONAL COLLABORATION.

I MEAN, THAT ALONE IS GONNA TAKE A BUNCH OF TIME, RIGHT? RIGHT.

AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, THE FIVE MAYORS GET TOGETHER AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN COORDINATE.

I MEAN, WE HAVE AND EVERY OTHER WEEK, BUT IT'S FOR AN HOUR.

BUT MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE MAYBE A FOUR HOUR BLOCK, MAYBE ULTIMATELY HAVE ALL THE COUNCILS GET TOGETHER, WHICH WOULD BE A HUGE UNDERTAKING, .

UH, BUT WE NEED TO REALLY DIG IN.

I MEAN, QUITE HONESTLY, I READ THAT REPORT, I RECEIVED MORE FACTS TO HELP ME FROM OUR DEPUTY CHIEF THAN I DID FROM THAT REPORT THAT WAS MORE HANDS-ON, YOU KNOW, BOOTS ON THE GROUND KIND OF A THING.

AS OPPOSED TO THAT REPORT, WHICH IS REAL, REALLY TOO HIGH LEVEL.

UH, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WHERE I'M AT, SO.

GOT IT.

UM, AND MAYOR, ALONG THOSE LINES, UM, I THINK YOU'RE ALREADY AWARE OF THIS, BUT FOR EVERYONE ELSE'S BENEFIT, UM, I HAVE SENT THE REPORT OUT TO THE VERDE VALLEY, UM, MANAGERS, UM, AND WE HAVE INDICATED TO EACH OTHER, WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER AS THE CITY AND TOWN MANAGERS TO TALK ABOUT THIS FURTHER AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PROPOSE APPROACHING A REGIONAL CONVERSATION, THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO AT THAT LEVEL, WE'RE ALREADY TALKING TO EACH OTHER.

UM, SO YEAH, THEY WERE ALL VERY INTERESTED IN THE ASSESSMENT AND, UM, HOW WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

SO, SO MAY I GO NOW? YEAH, PLEASE.

COUNCIL IF WE HAVE ONE, EITHER FOR THE REGION OR FOR THE CITY TO BE HERE, BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS I HEARD WERE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.

SO FIRST, WHEN WE HAVE ALL THE PEOPLE COME TO SPEAK, IF WE HAVE AN INTERFAITH COUNCIL, UM, I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO HAVE THOSE PEOPLE FAITH INCLUDED AS WELL AT THE MAYORS.

UM, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT FAITH.

UM, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S GOVERNMENT, BUT INTER AND WE SEPARATE GOVERNMENT AND STAY, RIGHT.

UM, THEORETICALLY.

SO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE INTERFAITH

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IT'S THE INTERFAITH COUNCIL THAT'S ALSO PROVIDING SERVICES SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE DAYCARE FOR, FOR, FOR PEOPLE WHERE THAT IS A MAJOR EXPENSE.

AND ONCE THAT EXPENSE IS ALLEVIATED, THEY'RE ABLE TO POTENTIALLY AFFORD LIVING SOMEWHERE.

SO, I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT INCLUDED IN THE CONVERSATION.

AND SECOND, I TOTALLY AGREE.

IF WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A REGIONAL SOLUTION, THEN WE NEED FOR THE REGIONAL PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION FIRST.

AND THE STRATEGY MUST BE A REGIONAL STRATEGY.

'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT SEDONA IS GOING TO FOOT 90% OF THE BILL MM-HMM .

FOR HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS THAT'S GONNA SUPPORT THE WHOLE VALLEY WHEN WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES.

AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THEY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE THE KINDS OF BUDGETS WE HAVE, BUT IT SHOULD BE A FAIR SHARE, WHATEVER THE PERCENTAGE IS.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF WE NEED TO BRING, YOU KNOW, INTERFAITH, NOT JUST SEDONA, BUT INTERFAITH FOR THE VALLEY, IF WE NEED TO BRING FORTH WHATEVER FROM THE WHOLE VALLEY, THEN WE SHOULD FIND OUT WHAT SERVICES ARE CURRENTLY BEING OFFERED EVERYWHERE AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE ASSESSABLE OR AFFORDABLE.

I MEAN, THERE'S JUST SO MANY PIECES I DON'T BELIEVE WE UNDERSTAND YET THAT YOU'RE JUST NOW STARTING TO WORK ON.

UM, AND SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE STRATEGIC PLAN ACCORDING WITH, WITH SERVICES AND COSTS AND ALL THAT STUFF FOR THE WHOLE VALLEY MM-HMM .

WHICH I'M GONNA RELY ON YOU GUYS TO FIGURE OUT.

AND, AND THEN I WILL READ IT AND POKE HOLES IN IT AS BEST AS I CAN.

SO, MELISSA, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT ANNETTE AND I ATTENDED WHAT I BELIEVE WAS THE FIRST INTERFAITH MEETING OF THE CHURCHES, UH, IN SYNAGOGUE.

IT WAS ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO OR SO, I THINK IT WAS OCTOBER.

AND THEY, THEY JUST WERE REESTABLISHING AFTER COVID.

UH, IT WAS THEIR FIRST OR SECOND MEETING, I DON'T BELIEVE.

I MEAN, THEY WERE, WE TALKED TO 'EM ABOUT SAFE PLACE TO PARK AND JUST LET THEM KNOW WHAT THE, THE PLAN WAS.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE TO, AS OF NOW, BUT THEY SHOULD BE INCLUDED ULTIMATELY TO SEE CORRECT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE CORRECT, THE CORRELATION, BUT I DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW OVER THE NEAR FUTURE THEY WOULD BE READY TO COMMIT TO ANYTHING.

WELL, I'M NOT SURE THAT ANY OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING TO SPEAK TO US ARE GONNA BE READY TO COMMIT TO ANYTHING, RIGHT.

IN THE SHORT TERM MM-HMM .

SO JUST TO UNDERSTAND LIKE, WHAT DO THEY THINK THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AND HEARING WHAT, AND LETTING THEM HEAR FROM OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS TO WHAT THEY THINK THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT, THAT JUST SORT OF GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY, SORT OF IN THE PUBLIC FORUM TO HEAR, TO UNDERSTAND AND TO, AND TO SORT OF BREATHE LIFE INTO THIS ALONG WITH ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING SORT OF BEHIND THE SCENES THAT WE'LL HEAR ABOUT AT SOME FUTURE DATE.

I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I JUST WANT YOU TO HAVE CLARITY OF WHERE THAT GROUP IS.

AVAILABLE TO, WE USED TO PROVIDE FUNDING TO SAHA FOR THE OVERNIGHT PROGRAM, AND THEN WE STARTED DIRECTLY DOING THE OVERNIGHT PROGRAM OURSELVES.

KATHY? I, I AGREE WITH A REGIONAL APPROACH, AND I AGREE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MUNICIPALITIES CONTRIBUTE TO, WHETHER THAT'S FINANCIAL OR IN SUPPORT OF SERVICES OR HAVING SOMETHING LOCATED IN THEIR COMMUNITY.

ALL OF THOSE ARE METHODS OF SUPPORT.

AND YOU KNOW, I THINK AT THE MOMENT, ACTUALLY SEDONA PROBABLY IS NOT CONTRIBUTING QUITE AS MUCH AS OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE.

COTTONWOOD HAS A SHELTER, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE A DROP IN FACILITY, WE DON'T HAVE OVERNIGHT FACILITY.

WE HAD, UH, WHEN WE HAD THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THIS, WE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET EVEN OUR COLD WEATHER EMERGENCY OVERNIGHT SHELTER PROGRAM IN HOTEL ROOMS GOING, WHICH IS REALLY CONCERNING TO ME AS WE ARE IN DEEPLY IN WINTER AS MY 30 DEGREE MORNING TOLD ME QUITE CLEARLY.

UM, BUT I, I, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED THAT WE, WE ARE NOT, WE ARE NOT PULLING OUR FAIR SHARE, OUR HOMELESS IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT FEEL IDENTIFIED WITH SEDONA AND THAT THEY ARE SEDONA RESIDENTS ARE NOT, THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT SERVES THEM, UM, FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE.

NOW, WHAT I DON'T KNOW, AND JEANNIE, I'M HOPING YOU COULD TELL ME IT IS THERE AT THE MOMENT, ANY OVERNIGHT PROGRAM AVAILABLE THROUGH A LOCAL PROVIDER, NOT THE CITY, BECAUSE AGAIN, PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE AND IT'S COLD.

SO IF YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT A LOCAL PROGRAM WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, THERE IS NOT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NOT BY AN INDEPENDENT PROVIDER TO, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE OTHER THAN HOPE HOUSE, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING.

NO, I'M ASKING, YES.

IS SAHA DOING AN OVERNIGHT, A CODE BLUE PROGRAM THIS YEAR? I, NO, THEY, I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY, UH, IS THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS? WE DID NOT PROVIDE FUNDING TO SAHA.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE OTHER KINDS OF FUNDING

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THAT'S BEEN ON TO WORK.

I, I'M JUST CONCERNED, AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH MODEL AND BOTH MODELS HAVE PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.

I MEAN, AND THIS IS A HARD TOPIC, SO THERE'S NEVER GONNA BE THE PERFECT ANSWER, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S NOTHING AT THE MOMENT, AND THAT IS REALLY CONCERNING TO ME.

UM, ALSO WHEN WE LAST SPOKE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE WERE UNCLEAR.

I THINK IT CAME TO A SURPRISE TO ME THAT CATHOLIC CHARITIES WAS NOT DOING ANY SORT OF DIRECT SERVICES AND THAT WE WERE RELYING ON CATHOLIC CHARITIES.

BUT CATHOLIC CHARITIES WAS ONLY A COORDINATOR FOR SERVICES THAT DON'T EXIST HERE.

SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, WHICH GOES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING BEFORE I SIDETRACKED US A LITTLE ON CODE BLUE.

UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE CAN, WHERE WE CAN LEND SUPPORT.

UM, ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WE TALKED ABOUT, THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT, UH, WHERE DID IT GO ON THAT SLIDE? WE'RE LOSING THE SLIDE ABOUT THE, A HOTEL REDEVELOPMENT CONVERSIONS FOR HOUSING OR FOR HOMELESSNESS AS A SHELTER OR SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE, WHERE THAT IS, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT READY.

I MEAN, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF FOUNDATION WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND DONE QUICKLY, UM, BEFORE WE'RE READY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE, WHAT TO ACTUALLY FUND.

UH, BUT I WANT, I KNOW, AND THIS IS, I'M SORRY, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS A HARD ASK, BUT I'M LOOKING FOR, I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING FOR OUR CONSIDERATION FOR FUNDING BECAUSE THERE'S A PROBLEM.

THE PROBLEM NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

WE ADDRESS IT BY, WITH FINANCIAL SUPPORT, BUT NOTHING'S BEING PRESENTED TO ME TO GIVE FINANCIAL SUPPORT TOO.

AND I, I NEED THESE THINGS IDENTIFIED, UM, FOR THE NEXT STAGE OF CONVERSATION.

I AGREE.

UM, I DO, I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING TO, UM, ABLE TO IDENTIFY SOME THINGS THAT COULD BE FUNDED IN NEXT YEAR BUDGET.

UM, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT, PLEASE? SURE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, I THINK THE MOST IMMEDIATE THING THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION ON IS THE REPURPOSING OF THE A DO FUNDING TOWARDS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT ADDRESSES FOLKS WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO HAVING, UM, AN WHAT A DO WOULD, UH, SUPPORT THE COUNCIL USING THAT MONEY FOR.

WE'RE ALMOST, WE ALMOST HAVE THAT TOGETHER TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO YOU AND TO GET THEIR PERMISSION TO, UM, START UTILIZING THOSE FUNDS RIGHT AWAY.

UM, IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES OF THE CONCEPT.

SO THAT IS ONE ITEM, UM, COUNSELOR KINSELLA THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ACTION ON FAIRLY QUICKLY.

THAT DOES ADDRESS THE SEGMENT OF OUR POPULATION IN ONE WAY, UM, WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.

SO THAT IS COMING.

THAT'S AGREEING TO HAVE THE VOUCHER SYSTEM.

IF SOMEBODY CALLED THE MAIN OFF THE MAIN NUMBER FOR CITY HALL TOMORROW AND SAID, HEY, I'VE GOT NOWHERE TO GO, OR THEY CALLED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SAID, I'M OUT HERE AND I'M FREEZING, UH, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT PERSON CHIEF? AND WHILE SHE'S WALKING UP, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO START LUNCH AT 12, SO I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE, WAS CLOSE TO.

I THINK WE ARE, WE ARE CHIEF, THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON.

SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS TRY OUR BEST TO, UM, HELP OUT WITH EITHER OPENING UP OUR LOBBY, WHICH IS NOT IDEAL TO, TO GET OUT OF THE, THE COLD AIR FOR SOME TIME.

UM, WE'VE ASSISTED WITH TRYING TO GO TO A HOTEL TO SEE IF WE COULD REACH HER AGREEMENT TO PAY FOR IT AS LONG AS THERE WAS ID THAT THE PERSON HAD AND WAS TAKING THE RESPONSIBILITY IF THERE WAS DAMAGE.

SO THAT'S JUST THINGS THAT WE DO, UM, TO, TO GET THROUGH SOME VERY SPECIFIC SITUATIONS.

OR WE REACH OUT TO COTTONWOOD TO A FEW PLACES THAT HAVE SHELTERS THERE TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY SPACE AVAILABLE.

WE WOULD THEN EITHER HELP WITH TRANSPORTATION, OFFERING SOME GAS MONEY TO GET THEM OVER THERE, IF THAT WAS IT.

SO, UM, PRETTY MUCH WE JUST WORK THE PROBLEM UNTIL WE'RE EXHAUSTED AND CAN'T WORK IT FURTHER AND, UM, PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT NIGHT.

UM, IF IT CAME TO LONGER TERM SOLUTIONS, A COUPLE OF NIGHTS, THEN, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SAYING WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY MORE DEDICATED TO KNOWING SOME OF THOSE SERVICES TO HAVE SOMETHING SET IN PLACE MORE.

BECAUSE WHERE SOME OF THE COLD BLUE ISSUES THAT CAME FROM WAS GETTING A HOTEL

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AND THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REACHED A, A STOPPING POINT, UM, WHEN WE WERE GOING THAT ROUTE.

SO, UM, WE DO, LIKE, WE DO ANYTHING ELSE.

WE, WE MAKE IT WORK AND GET THROUGH WITH WHATEVER WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IN THE SITUATION.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO GROW FROM THAT TO CREATE BETTER SOLUTIONS GOING FORWARD.

BUT WE USE OUR PARTNERSHIPS, WE MAKE PHONE CALLS.

IF WE HAD TO, WE WOULD USE OUR LOBBY FOR A NIGHT CHIEF, WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME FROM LAST WINTER FOR THE, UH, CODE BLUE? I KNOW THE POLICY WAS THEY COME TO YOU, YOU HAD VOUCHERS, BUT NONE OF THE OTHER, NONE OF THE HOTELS WERE INTERESTED, I BELIEVE IN MOVING FORWARD FOR WHAT, WHATEVER REASONS.

AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHY IT'S A DIFFERENT, YOU DON'T HAVE MANY OPTIONS NOW.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT OPTION LAST YEAR EITHER.

NO AGREEMENT WAS, WAS MADE WITH A HOTEL THAT WE COULD PUT ANYBODY INTO.

SO IT WAS JUST THEY DIDN'T WANT TO ACCESS IT.

WELL, I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS, TO BE CLEAR.

IT'S JUST HOW I UNDERSTOOD THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO IT.

SO WE HAD BLANKETS BETWEEN US AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT COLLECTS JACKETS AND BEANIES, AND WE HAVE HAND WARMERS AND FEET WARMERS AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE JUST PASS OUT.

AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I, I WASN'T AWARE THAT WE ACTUALLY, WE ABLE TO USE SOME OF THE VOUCHERS TO ACTUALLY WE DID LAST YEAR BECAUSE I ARRANGED THAT WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE DIRECTLY.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND.

THAT'S WHY I'M SURPRISED THE CHIEF DIDN'T KNOW THAT, SO.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY WE USED? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY WHEN WE HAD THE FLOODING AS WELL, AND PEOPLE WERE DISPLACED BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY WERE STAYING.

SO IT WAS COLD AND IT WAS THE WET WATER, THE COLD, WET WATER WAS TAKING OVER PLACES.

SO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, WHEN I BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION TO HER ATTENTION AT THE TIME, BOOKED DIRECTLY HOTEL ROOMS FOR, FOR PEOPLE THAT WERE IDENTIFIED THROUGH A LOCAL, UM, SERVICE ORGANIZATION.

AND THEY WERE PLACED FOR, I THINK, TWO NIGHTS.

AND THAT'S THE, THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, BUT NOT AS, THAT WAS THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A FORMAL PROGRAM IN MY OFFICE.

I THINK WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE FORMER CITY MANAGER JUST RESERVED THE HOTEL ROOMS UNDER THE CITY'S NAME.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THEN PAID FOR IT THROUGH THE CITY.

THEY WEREN'T LIKE VOUCHERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I THINK THAT'S, THINK IT WAS LIKE A ONE TIME KIND OF THING.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO I, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WENT THROUGH.

NO, IT DID.

SO THAT WOULD BE WHY I WOULD HAVE KNOWN.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT, UH, THERE WAS A DISCONNECT ALSO WITH THE HOTELS NOT WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE OF PRIOR DAMAGE THE YEAR BEFORE THAT.

SO, UH, IT WAS A PROBLEM ALL AROUND.

SO, UH, IT'S NOT FOR LACK OF TRYING, IT WAS A LACK OF COOPERATION FROM THE, THE HOTELS NOT WANTING TO PARTICIPATE.

UH, OKAY.

CHIEF, WHEN, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT OCCASIONALLY YOU REACH OUT TO COTTONWOOD IF THERE'S SPACE AVAILABLE IN THE SHELTER, DOES, DOES THAT HAPPEN OCCASIONALLY THAT COTTONWOOD IS HELPFUL THAT WAY? YEAH, THEY HAVE SOME, UM, AGREEMENTS THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE.

LIKE, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THE LI LITTLE DAISY HOTEL HAS BEEN IN AGREEANCE TO, TO HELP OUT.

AND THEN YOU HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL, RIGHT? IS IT ANGIE'S HOUSE IS THE OTHER, SO DEPENDING IF IT'S A MALE, FEMALE FAMILY IS WHERE, UM, WHEN WE MAKE THOSE PHONE CALLS, THERE'S FEES TO PAY FOR THAT SERVICE FOR THOSE PARTICULAR OCCASIONS IN INDIVIDUALS.

THERE, THERE IS YES.

A FINANCIAL COMPONENT.

WE'VE HAD, UM, PEOPLE DONATE FROM DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, SOME GIFT CARDS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR GAS OR, OR OTHER THINGS THAT WE USE IN THE, YOU KNOW, DARK PART OF THE NIGHTTIME WHERE IT'S GETTING THEM GAS OR ANYTHING.

SO WE, WE HAVE SOME RESOURCES THAT WE'VE UTILIZED.

AND REALLY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT AREN'T KNOWN ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT OUR OFFICERS DO THAT ARE REALLY AMAZING, THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN KNOWING THAT THEY'RE PUTTING THEIR OWN MONEY INTO GAS TANKS TO HELP PEOPLE OUT OR, SO THOSE THINGS AREN'T TRACKED BECAUSE THEY'RE ALSO NOT TRYING TO DO IT FOR ANY ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.

THEY'RE DOING IT OUTTA THE KINDNESS OF THEIR HEART.

COUNCIL AND THE, THE SEDONA LODGING COUNCIL COMPRISES HOTELS IN THE SEDONA AREA.

SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THINGS WE CAN FIX.

BUT WHERE I WAS HEADED FOR IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO NOT ONLY PAY A FEE, BUT SUPPORT THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, YOU KNOW, THE WAY WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE ARTS AND THEIR OPERATIONS AND THEIR OVERHEAD COSTS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY MIGHT FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, AND AGAIN, IT'S PART OF THE REGIONAL COLLABORATION APPROACH THAT MM-HMM .

THAT WE, UH, COULD PLAY AT A, A LARGER LEVEL.

UM, DEPUTY CHIEF, YOU WALK, YOU CAME UP IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD.

NO, I, I ASKED HIM JUST TO COME UP IN CASE I HAD ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT ONE OF THE PLACES I TOLD YOU THEN HE WAS MUCH CLOSER.

RIGHT, , I GET IT.

SO HE HAS A DIRECT CONNECTION TO COTTONWOOD, WHICH IS ALWAYS HELPFUL.

SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I DID WANT TO ADD THAT I HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH THE SEDONA LODGING

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SO IT'S NOT STRICTLY BOUNDED BY CITY LIMITS, BUT IT DOES GO TO THE VOC, OAK CREEK, DOWN DRY CREEK.

SO, UM, ENCOMPASSES THE REGION OF SEDONA.

THEY ARE NOT UNWILLING TO DO A PROGRAM, UM, WITH DISCOUNTED RATES.

THEY'RE NOT UNWILLING AT ALL.

THE QUESTION IS, UM, A LIABILITY ISSUE.

OH, I KNOW.

IF THERE'S DAMAGE, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE? MM-HMM .

SO KURT, DO YOU HAVE A POINT OF VIEW ON THAT? I'M SORRY, CAN I HEAR THE QUESTION AGAIN? THAT'S OKAY.

LIABILITY, THE DAMAGE IF THEY GO INTO APARTMENTS.

SO, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S ADVICE IS WE CAN'T PAY FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S DAMAGE.

UM, AND SO WHEN WE BOOKED IT DIRECTLY THROUGH OUR, UM, THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THE CITY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE 'CAUSE WE WERE THE BOOKING GUEST, WHETHER WE LET SOMEONE ELSE IN THERE IN THE HOTELS WITH THAT.

UM, BUT YEAH, THE, THE IDEAL FROM A RISK MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE, FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S PERSPECTIVE, UM, WHILE WE CAN DO VOUCHERS FOR THE COLD WEATHER PROGRAM AND, AND THAT THE, THE BOOKING, THE PERSON STAYING IN THE ROOM WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR US, SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL DAMAGES.

AND THAT'S STOPPED, STOPPED, UH, THE DISCUSSIONS.

I MEAN, IS THAT A HARD ISSUE IN, IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE ARE, IF WE DON'T SAY THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE, DOES THAT PUT A STOP ON THE PROGRAM? I THINK THAT THE LODGING COUNCIL WANTED SOME KIND OF ASSURANCE.

AND, AND SO THE, THE WAY TO DO THAT WOULD BE THROUGH A THIRD PARTY.

SO IF WE CAN GET THE, YOU KNOW, THE VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO BE THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR DAMAGE, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY FOR IT I WOULD RECOMMEND.

WELL, ARE THEY IN A FINANCIAL POSITION TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DAMAGE? I DIDN'T THINK SO.

WELL, WE DON'T KNOW.

TO THINK WE JUST GOT, OH, , I DIDN'T SEE, I DIDN'T, WASN'T FOCUSED OVER THAT.

THAT WAS A, A NO.

, THANK YOU DEPUTY CHIEF, UH, BRIAN, I CHANCE NO, THE, THE, THE QUESTION OF GETTING A THIRD PARTY, I MEAN, THERE'S A, A RATHER VULGAR DESCRIPTION FOR PASSING THE BLANK, UH, TO SOMEBODY ELSE, IS WHAT THAT SOUNDS LIKE.

SO I, I WOULDN'T GO THERE.

I, PETE, I, I, I, I THINK I JUST WANNA PUT BACK ON THE TABLE, I AM VERY INTERESTED IN FIXING THE PROBLEM ABOUT OUR OFFICERS TAKING MONEY OUTTA THEIR POCKETS TO WORK ON SOME OF THIS STUFF.

THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME FUNDS THAT THEY CAN USE TO SOLVE THOSE IN IMMEDIATE PROBLEMS, AND THAT'S A, SOMETHING WE CAN FIX.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD CHIEF OR EVEN ANNETTE, THAT THEY COULD, THE OFFICER WOULD FILL OUT A FORM, PUT THE HOMELESS PERSON'S NAME IN, OR WHOEVER THEY'RE HELPING AND SUBMIT IT, AND MAYBE WE COULD COVER IT SO THEY'RE NOT OUT THE MONEY.

I THINK BETWEEN BARBARA AND, UM, CITY MANAGER, ANNETTE, WE, WE COULD HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS AS FAR AS IF WE HAVE A, A CREDIT CARD RIGHT.

THAT WE NEED TO GO DO SOMETHING WITH, AND WE WANTED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO, TO TAKE THAT FROM SINCE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN OUR BUDGET.

NO, IT'S NOT ALLOCATED, BUT I'M SURE WE COULD FIGURE OUT SOMETHING FOR SOME OF THE TIMES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I JUST DON'T WANNA SEE THEM, THE OFFICERS BE AT THE MONEY PERSONALLY.

WELL, THAT'S WHY I WAS ALSO SAYING, SOME OF THEM NEVER TELL US UNTIL WAY LATER.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, APPRECIATE YOU ALL DOING IT, BUT LOOK, YAY, WE HAVE THIS, THAT CAN HELP.

AND THEY, THERE CAN BE SOME PROCESS FOR REIMBURSEMENT THAT THAT, THAT WE TRACK WHEN IT'S HAPPENING.

I, I APPRECIATE IT.

AND, UH, THERE IS ACTUALLY A LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT PROGRAM, AND IT IS A, UH, AMOUNT OF $15,000.

SITTING THAT'S FOR THE CODE BLUE OR THE VOUCHER PROGRAM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES, YES.

ARE WORKING WITH OUR ACADEMIC INSTITUTIONS LIKE NAU, UH, NORTHERN ARIZONA UNIVERSITY, POSSIBLY, UM, POSSIBLY THE MORRISON INSTITUTE, WHICH IS A SU.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

I REST OF YOUR, OKAY.

UH, SO I WOULD, AND, AND LASTLY MM-HMM .

UM, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION, UM, UH, THAT A HOUSING STRATEGY FOR SEDONA IS NEEDED.

IT IS IN THE WORKS.

UM, AND SO WHAT YOU'VE JUST HEARD THROUGH ALL OF THESE SLIDES, WE ARE PULLING ALL OF THOSE PIECES TOGETHER, UM, COLLABORATING, CROSS, CROSS, DEPARTMENTAL, UM, AND, AND THROUGHOUT AGENCIES AND OUR, OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS.

UM, AND THEN ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER WILL BE, WILL BECOME HOPEFULLY AN EFFECTIVE ACTION PLAN, A ROADMAP, LIKE A BLUEPRINT, UM, TO ADDRESS HOUSING.

UM, WE

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UM, AND, AND LOOKING AT WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.

UM, WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPING, UH, CREATING, YOU KNOW, RELATIONSHIPS, GETTING TO KNOW THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT, UH, THE STATE.

UM, AND SO ALL OF THESE PIECES REALLY GO ALONG WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN GOALS, YOU KNOW, HOUSING POLICY, DEVELOPING, UM, MAYBE NEW DIFFERENT OR TWEAKED HOUSING POLICIES, THE DIGGER REVISIONS.

UM, WE WANT TO LOOK AT EXPANDING THE MIX OF HOUSING TYPES, INCLUDING HOUSING DIVERSITY, UM, WITH STRATEGIES TO PROMOTE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE AND MARKET RATE HOUSING AND TO EXPLORE THOSE REGIONAL PARTNERSHIPS TO INCREASE VERDE VALLEY'S HOUSING SUPPLY, UM, TO CREATE A CONTINUUM OF HOUSING OPTIONS, RIGHT? NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, 30% A MI OR 60% A MI, BUT ACROSS THE BOARD.

SO THERE, THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY TO LIVE HERE, TO NOT HAVE TO LEAVE, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, BE BORN, YOU GROW UP, GO TO SCHOOL, HAVE YOUR FAMILY, UM, YOU KNOW, RETIRE AGE IN PLACE.

SO ALL OF THESE THINGS WOULD BE IDEAL, RIGHT? TO BE ABLE TO, UM, ENSURE THE COMMUNITY, TO ENSURE THE LEGACY OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, GENER GENERALLY GENERATIONALLY.

SO, AND WITH THAT, I THINK I'M GOING TO BE DONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

JEANIE, STEVE, UH, ANNETTE, THANK YOU.

ON TIME SCHEDULE.

YEAH, THIS IS A PROBABLY A GREAT TIME FOR A BREAK.

UM, WELL OUR NEXT ITEM WILL BE, UM, GETTING INTO SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITHIN THE SCHOOL AREA.

SO COUNSEL, YOU GOOD WITH 30 MINUTES FOR LUNCH? YEP.

SO WE'LL SEE YOU AT, UH, 1235.

THERESA, WHAT PAGE ON THE PDFA POWERPOINT RATHER? 1 26 I THINK.

WAS IT? 1 26.

SIX, OKAY.

UH, 1 25 6.

WELCOME, THERESA, ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU HERE AS OPPOSED TO SITTING BACK THERE.

THANK YOU, JOE.

SO ADVANCING THIS, THIS ONE TO THE RIGHT.

TO THE RIGHT.

SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN SEDONA.

ALL I NEED TO DO IS FLIP IT SOME UNKNOWN.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR.

GOOD AFTERNOON THERE.

VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO COME BEFORE YOU AND SPEAK WITH YOU.

AND HERE TODAY I'M KIND OF COMING TO COVER THE PAST YEAR OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PROGRAM IN TERMS OF BUDGET AND COMPLETED INITIATIVES.

AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, WHERE WE MAY BE GOING AND HOPE TO GO IN THE NEXT YEAR.

SO THE EMERGENCY CONTACT LIST, WHICH WAS A LIST OF ALL PERMITTED PROGRAMS WITH THEIR EMERGENCY CONTACT INFORMATION WAS PUBLISHED ON THE CITY WEBSITE LAST JANUARY.

AND I WANNA GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO ROB BECAUSE HE WRESTLED WITH GRANICUS FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS IN ORDER TO WHATEVER OBSTACLES THEY HAD.

HE MADE THAT WORK AND HE HAS BEEN, AS I SUBMIT SPREADSHEETS TO HIM, HE UPDATES THAT SITE AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN PROBLEM FREE, BUT HE HAS VERY SKILLFULLY AND UM, PROFESSIONALLY STAYED ON TOP OF THAT.

SO THAT IS MAINTAINED AND, AND IT HAS BEEN USEFUL.

UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CITIZENS WHO HAVE USED IT AND HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS AND UM, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I GET A QUESTION ABOUT SOMEONE NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND A PARTICULAR, UH, PROPERTY ON THE SITE.

AND IF THEY'RE PERMITTED, GENERALLY I CAN PULL IT UP.

SO IT'S JUST, UM, VERY GENTLY, I'M SAYING MAYBE SOME USER ERROR, BUT IT'S BEEN USEFUL AND, AND I DO HEAR PEOPLE ARE USING IT.

SO THAT'S BEEN A GOOD THING.

I DID COLLABORATE WITH KEEGAN, THE SPECIAL INITIATIVES COORDINATOR, AND SO FAR WE HAVE PRODUCED THREE ONE TO TWO MINUTE VIDEOS TALKING ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS.

UH, ONE OF 'EM WAS HOW TO USE THE HOTLINE.

ANOTHER ONE WAS KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF

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AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WAS AIMED AT SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTY OWNERS WITH SOME PRACTICAL TIPS ON HOW TO AVOID COMPLAINTS.

THINGS LIKE MAKE SURE YOUR GUESTS DON'T PARK IN THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD.

IT'S HELPFUL IF YOU DON'T HAVE MUSIC SPEAKERS OUTDOORS.

SO REAL PRACTICAL KIND OF APPLICABLE TIPS.

UM, I ALSO ESTABLISHED MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH SEDONA PROPERTY MANAGERS AND THEY CONTINUE TO BE A GOOD GROUP AND A GOOD RESOURCE IN TERMS OF BEING RESPONSIVE.

MONTHLY IS A LITTLE TOO MUCH.

UM, NOT EVERYBODY COULD MEET.

AND QUITE HONESTLY, I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TO SAY ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

I HAVE TO DO THE WORK AND MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS BEFORE I HAVE UPDATES.

SO WE'LL REVISIT IT AGAIN IN, UH, 2025 AND PROBABLY LOOK TOWARDS A QUARTERLY MEETING.

THIS IS FIGURING, OH, I DID.

ANY NEW PROPERTIES, IF THEY'VE GOT MORE THAN ONE UNIT, WILL HAVE TO PERMIT BOTH RIGHT AWAY.

SO I AM NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THE LOBBYING PROCESS, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY CONTINUES TO WORK WITH A LOBBYIST FOR CHANGES OF LEGISLATION AND YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY MORE UP TO DATE AND KURT ON THOSE DETAILS THAN I AM.

UM, AND KURT IS VERY GOOD ABOUT KEEPING ME POSTED IF THERE'S ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE THAT CHANGES.

SO I AM CONTINUE TO WORK WITH KURT IN TERMS OF MOVING TOWARDS UPDATING SHORT-TERM RENTAL CODE.

I HAVE A LIST THAT I PRESENTED TO YOU IN THE MAY 28TH MEETING, AND I WOULD STILL LIKE TO PURSUE THOSE.

UH, THAT INCLUDES UPDATING CODE TO SAY THAT IF YOU BOOK A SHORT-TERM RENTAL WITH AN EXPIRED PERMIT, IT'S A CITATION AND SEVERAL OTHER, I SEEM TO HAVE LOST MY MOUSE.

UM, BUT I'LL BE LOOKING AT STRICTER REGULATION AROUND SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND CITATIONS, UM, AND ADAPTING THAT CODE.

AND I, IF I THINK IF I UNDERSTAND FROM KURT, WE CAN DO THAT TOWARDS THE SPRING MEETING.

SO PROBABLY JUST BEFORE MY NEXT PRESENTATION IN MAY.

WITH REGARDS TO THE PERMIT PER UNIT REQUIREMENT, THOSE LETTERS WERE MAILED OUT AND I HAVE SO FAR TO RECAP THAT WHAT THAT WAS WAS IF YOU ARE OPERATING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL WITH MORE THAN ONE UNIT ON A SINGLE PROPERTY, YOU NEED A PERMIT FOR EACH ADVERTISED UNIT.

SO I HAD IDENTIFIED 97 PROPERTIES THAT WERE DOING THAT, WHICH IS LOWER THAN I THOUGHT.

I WAS THINKING IT WAS GONNA BE AROUND 300, BUT UH, IT'S 97 AND SO FAR WE'VE TIED THOSE SECONDARY PERMITS TO WHEN PROPERTIES RENEW THEIR EXISTING PERMITS SO THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE RENEWAL DATE THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO MANAGE.

UM, AND BOTH KURT AND I THOUGHT THAT WOULD GIVE PEOPLE A BETTER CHANCE OF SUCCESS.

SO FAR, I THINK I'VE HAD SEVEN PROPERTIES THAT HAVE RENEWED THIS MONTH, AND SO THEY'VE GOTTEN THEIR SECONDARY PERMITS.

I'VE ALSO IDENTIFIED A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE RENTING THREE UNITS ON A PROPERTY ZONE FOR TWO UNITS.

AND I'M HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, PLANNING AND THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS WILL GO IN AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH PLANNING TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S AN EXCEPTION TO THAT OR IF THIS IS SOMETHING THEY NEED TO ADDRESS AND SOMEHOW DISMANTLE THAT THIRD PROPERTY.

UM, SO THAT HAS COME OUT OF THAT JUST A GREATER AWARENESS OF THE TYPES OF RENTALS OUT THERE.

THE OTHER REALLY NICE UNFORESEEN THING IS THAT WORD IS GETTING AROUND.

I'VE POSTED THAT, THAT UH, MULTI PERMIT REQUIREMENT ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND I NOW HAVE OWNERS COMING FORWARD WHO ARE ASKING TO PERMIT NEW PROPERTIES AND TELLING ME UP FRONT THEY HAVE TWO UNITS.

SO I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL.

AND WE MAY SEE THAT 300 PROPERTY DOUBLE UNIT RENTAL GOING FORWARD, BUT, BUT WORD IS GETTING AROUND IN THIS INSTANCE.

I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY BOARDS ARE HELPFUL AND THE SHORT TERM RENTAL FACEBOOK GROUPS ARE HELPFUL AND THE WORD IS BEING SPREAD.

AND I'M VERY PLEASED WITH HOW PROACTIVE PEOPLE ARE NOW THIS, THIS REQUIREMENT AND, AND PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALLOWED TO REPERMIT WHEN THEY RENEW THEIR PERMITS ONLY APPLIES TO PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN ADVERTISING A SECOND UNIT THROUGH THE LAST YEAR.

SO IF ANYONE DECIDES IN THE COMING YEAR THAT THEY WANT TO PERMIT A SECOND UNIT, THEY'LL NEED TO DO THAT BEFORE THEY START ADVERTISING REGARDLESS OF WHEN THE FIRST UNIT EXPIRES.

SO WE'RE NOT GONNA CONTINUE TO STRETCH THAT OUT, THAT'S JUST FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT I IDENTIFIED AND ANYBODY ELSE WILL HAVE TO PERMIT AS THEY GO.

AND OF COURSE,

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AND I STILL, THE WAY THAT OUR ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, PROPERTIES NEED A PERMIT BEFORE THEY START ADVERTISING.

SO I DON'T ALWAYS GET TO SEE THOSE PROPERTIES THAT HAVEN'T NECESSARILY COMMUNICATED WITH ME WHAT THEIR INTENTION IS.

AND SO I DO FORESEE MAYBE A, A TWICE YEARLY AUDIT TO CAPTURE ANYBODY WHO'S DECIDED TO OPEN UP A SECOND, UH, UNIT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH THAT REQUIREMENT.

SO THIS WILL BE AN ONGOING THING.

THERESA, HOW WOULD THAT AUDIT WORK? YOU GIVE THEM A NOTICE.

DO YOU WANT TO HAVE AN ONSITE INSPECTION? DO THEY HAVE TO ALLOW THAT? DO THEY HAVE TO TELL YOU, OH, SERVE ME WITH A SUBPOENA.

ANYTHING ALONG TO THAT EGREGIOUS? IT'S ACTUALLY A LOT SIMPLER THAN THAT MAYOR RIGHT NOW.

UM, WHAT I'M DOING IS IF I SEE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ACCOUNT THAT IS ADVERTISING TWO SEPARATE UNITS, SO I'M ADVERTISING MY HOUSE AND I'M ADVERTISING MY CASITA, THEN THAT'S MY PROOF.

IT'S THAT PROOF.

UM, I DID START A CONVERSATION WITH KURT AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE YET, BUT IF WE DO DISCOVER PROPERTIES THAT HAVE MORE THAN TWO UNITS AND THEY ARE ADVERTISING SOMETHING AND THEY NEED TO SHUT DOWN, I'D LIKE TO DEVELOP SOME KIND OF PROCESS WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.

'CAUSE I, I WILL AGAIN, GO ON RECORD AS SAYING, I WOULD SAY EASILY 90% OF OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS WANNA COMPLY.

THEY WANT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY, BUT I'D LIKE A CLEAR PROCESS TO WORK WITH CODE FOR THAT OTHER 10% IN CASE WE DO NEED TO GO AND FOLLOW UP AND SAY, OKAY, YOU RECEIVE NOTICE FROM THE CITY THAT YOU NEED TO CLOSE DOWN THIS THIRD UNIT AND CODE IS OUT HERE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT I WILL EVOLVE A SPECIFIC PROCESS AROUND THAT WITH STEPS.

AND I DO WANNA INVOLVE CODE ENFORCEMENT 'CAUSE THEY'RE MY EYES ON SITE.

UM, I KNOW THAT PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS OPERATE ON THE HONOR SYSTEM.

I HAD A CALL FROM A NEIGHBOR OF A PROPERTY PROBABLY IN S I'D SAY AUGUST, AND SHE MENTIONED THAT HER NEIGHBOR WAS OPERATING THREE UNITS AND SHE KNEW THE NEIGHBOR BEFORE THIS PERSON PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.

AND THAT NEIGHBOR HAD RECEIVED A LETTER FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT FROM BRIAN SAYING YOU CAN'T OPERATE THREE UNITS.

AND, UM, THE PROPERTY SUBSEQUENTLY SOLD, NO NEW OWNERS WERE OPERATING THREE UNITS.

SO I DID CALL THAT CODE'S ATTENTION, AND I KNOW CODE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THAT.

SO AGAIN, NOT EVERYBODY OPERATES ON THE HONOR SYSTEM AND I I WOULDN'T EXPECT THAT WE WOULD.

SO YES, MAYOR, THAT THAT PROCESS WILL BE FORTHCOMING.

SO I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION FOR MYSELF.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPERATING TWO UNITS.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT THERE'S TWO UNITS ON THE SAME PROPERTY YES.

THAT ARE BEING BOTH BEING RENTED OUT.

UM, AND YOU SAID YOU LOOKED AT THE ACCOUNT, WHICH I'M ASSUMING IS OUR INTERNAL ACCOUNT NUMBER TO SEE IF THERE'S TWO PROPERTIES.

THE WAY, THE WAY THAT WE TRACK SHORT TERM RENTALS IS THAT, UM, GOBOS LOADED ALL OF OUR GIS DATA.

SO ADDRESS, PARCEL NUMBER, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, OWNER INFORMATION INTO THE DATABASE THAT I WORK WITH.

AND THEN ON A MONTHLY BASIS THEY DO THAT WEBSITE SCRAPING, AND THEN THEIR STAFF ASSIGN THE ONLINE ADVERTISEMENTS THEY FIND TO THE SOFTWARE.

AND THEY, THEY GENERALLY DO, THERE'S PROBABLY SEVEN TO 10% THEY MISS JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ADVERTISING ON OBSCURE SITES, BUT THEY DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB CAPTURING.

AND WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS A PROPERTY THAT SAYS HOUSE FOR RENT, THREE BEDROOMS, TWO BATH, AND THEN IN THE SAME LISTING IT SAYS BEAUTIFUL LITTLE CASITA, ONE BEDROOM, FOUR, FOUR BEDS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS THEY DO.

AND WHEN I SEE THOSE TWO DISTINCT ADVERTISEMENTS, THAT FLAGS A REQUIREMENT FOR A SECOND PERMIT.

AND SO IT'S REALLY TIED TO THE ADDRESS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE ADUS THAT ANY ADUS HAVE THE SAME ADDRESS AS THE OTHER, AS THE MAIN HOUSE OR THE MAIN STRUCTURE.

AND SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS LOOKING TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE A SAME ADDRESS, BUT YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF LISTINGS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

THAT IS CORRECT.

WAS MADE, WE HAD 1,125 PERMITTED SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD.

SO AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER WE HAD, WHEN, WHEN THIS, AND WHEN THIS

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AND AS, UM, COUNSEL KNOWS, I RECENTLY SUBMITTED THE OCTOBER NUMBERS AND WE JUMPED UP TO 1,137.

AND THERE ARE CLOSE NOW AS OF NOW TO 1200 IDENTIFIED ADVERTISING, SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

SO THAT INCLUDES THE 1,137 THAT ARE PERMITTED.

IT INCLUDES 39 THAT ARE ADVERTISING ELAPSED PERMITS, WHICH HAVE EITHER SHUT THEIR, THEIR INFORMATION DOWN OR THEY'VE BEEN CITED.

AND ALSO I THINK IT'S 20 SOMETHING NEW PROPERTIES THAT HAVE JUST STARTED ADVERTISING.

UM, AND I KNOW GIVEN THE PRESENTATION THE OTHER DAY ABOUT THE HOUSING, UH, RESOLUTION, I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AND I REPORT MONTHLY AND THE GROWTH OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS HAS BEEN FAIRLY FLAT SINCE WE LAUNCHED PERMIT PROGRAM.

IT'S GONE UP A LITTLE BIT, GONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN THE SIGNIFICANT RISE THAT I'VE SEEN SINCE OCTOBER.

AND I'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH VARYING MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

UM, WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT WE HAVE THE STEADY INFUSION OF PROPERTIES THAT TURNOVER, SO EXISTING SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT THAT GET BOUGHT.

BUT I'M ALSO SEEING PROPERTIES THAT HAVE NEVER RENTED BEFORE THAT ARE NOW PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR PERMITS FOR.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A MIXTURE OF PROPERTIES WHERE PERHAPS THE PREVIOUS OWNER AGED OUTTA THE PROPERTY AND IT WAS SOLD.

AND ALSO OWNERS WHO'VE HELD A PROPERTY FOR A WHILE AND HAVE DECIDED TO SHORT-TERM RENT.

UM, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE GROWTH IN THIS REGARD, UM, FOR A COUPLE YEARS.

SO THIS IS, THIS WAS A SURPRISE TO ME AND I, WHEN I LOOK AT NOVEMBER NUMBERS, I'LL BE INTERESTED, NORMALLY WE HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF PROPERTIES THAT SHUT DOWN AND DECIDE TO STOP RENTING, BUT THE GROWTH NUMBERS ARE SEEMING TO OUTSTRIP WHAT HAS GENERALLY BEEN PEOPLE STOPPING.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS JUST A SPIKE.

UM, I THINK IN SUMMER OF 2020, IN, IN MARCH OF 22, 2, I THINK WE HAD A 7% SPIKE IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN MARCH.

AND I THINK WE HAD ANOTHER JUMP IN THE SUMMER IN JULY OR AUGUST.

BUT THIS IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST TREND THAT I HAVE SEEN SINCE THAT TIME.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE FIGURED OUT THE PERMIT PROCESS NOW THAT IT'S ESTABLISHED OR, OR WHAT'S BEHIND THAT.

I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, SOME OF THE REALTORS AND THE PROPERTY MANAGERS AND THEY'RE CONVINCED THAT THE HOUSING OR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL MARKET IS FLAT.

AND I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO, YOU KNOW, DEFINITIVELY IDENTIFY A TREND.

A MONTH, A MONTH OR A COUPLE MONTHS WORTH OF DATA IS NOT A TREND, BUT WHAT I'M SEEING DEFINITELY DOESN'T REFLECT THAT FLATNESS.

SO IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE, UM, OVER THE NEXT, MAYBE FIRST QUARTER OF 2025 WHAT WE HAVE.

YEAH, WE WERE GETTING GASLIGHTED TUESDAY NIGHT, YOU KNOW, BEING TOLD THAT, OH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NUMBERS ARE DECLINING AND UH, DON'T, DON'T YOU WORRY, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL GONNA BE A THING OF THE PAST, YOU KNOW, IN STAR WARS TERMS, THESE ARE NOT THE DROIDS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE THAT SKILL, LET ME TELL YOU, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE THAT SKILL.

UM, SHORT-TERM RENTAL DATA CAN CHANGE DEPENDING ON WHO'S LOOKING AT IT FROM WHAT VIEWPOINT.

THERE ARE TOURISM WEBSITES THAT COME UP WITH VERY DIFFERENT NUMBERS IN TERMS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

I'M NOT TRACKING AND I'M NOT ABLE TO TRACK HOW MANY OF THESE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN RENTED.

SO HOW MANY ARE SITTING EMPTY OR HAVING POOR BUSINESS? UM, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT PART OF THINGS.

UM, REALTORS AND PROPERTY MANAGERS MAY KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT THAN I DO.

SO MY DATA REALLY IS BASED ON WHO'S ACTIVELY ADVERTISING AND WHO WANTS A PERMIT.

AND ALL I CAN SAY IS I'M SEEING A RISE.

MAKE MONEY SHORT TERM RENTING AND THEY'RE JUST BEHIND THE TREND.

I FIND IT INTERESTING PEOPLE SAYING IT'S FLAT, IT'S GOING DOWN, AND YET EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I SEE A NEW VAN OR A CAR FOR A NEW PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY DRIVING UP AND DOWN 89 A AND ALL THESE PEOPLE, YOU HAVE ONE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF CITY HALL, UH, AZ VACAY, IS THAT WHAT IT IS? OR RIGHT.

THESE COMPANIES ARE POPPING UP.

IF IT WAS REALLY FLAT, THEY WOULDN'T BE POPPING UP.

SO IT'S REALLY CONCERNING.

WELL, IT'S MAYBE WE HAVE A BUNCH OF REALLY FOOLISH, HOPEFUL PEOPLE WHO ARE THINKING THAT I'LL BUY THIS HOUSE AND, AND

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I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER ABOUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE AGING OUT AND TURNING TO SHORT TERM RENTALS.

I HAVE THREE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS PAST TWO MONTHS THAT HAVE DONE JUST THAT.

IT'S BRINGING MY NUMBERS UP REALLY HIGH IS ALSO CONCERNING.

BRIAN, YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? YEAH, I MEAN, THERESA, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DATA, TRYING TO DRAW CONCLUSIONS FROM TRENDS AND ALL THAT.

DO YOU ALSO LOOK AT THE DATA THAT COMES OUT OF BARBARA'S OFFICE IN TERMS OF UH, WELL, NOT ACTUALLY THAT, WELL NO.

YOU'RE PRESENTING THE, UH, THE BED TAX NUMBERS, BUT THEN, UH, ANDREW'S REPORTING NOW, UH, OF SHOWING OCCUPANCY A DR, STUFF LIKE THAT.

'CAUSE THAT THAT CAN HELP FILL IN SOME OF THE GAPS AND HELP TELL THE OVERALL STORY OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE VICE MAYOR WAS, UH, PROVIDING BACK TO THE GASLIGHTING ON TUESDAY NIGHT, RIGHT.

OF YEAH, YOU CAN SAY THAT THE NUMBERS ARE GOING DOWN, BUT 17.75% IS NO LIE.

AND OH, BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS JUST KEEP JACKING UP YOUR ADR, SO THE FACT THAT YOUR OCCUPANCY DOWN DOESN'T REALLY MATTER BECAUSE YOUR REVPAR IS STILL STRONG.

TENDS TO OWN THESE? I MEAN, THE SOB STORY WE GOT FROM OUR VISITORS THE OTHER NIGHT WAS, OH, WE'RE JUST A LITTLE OPERATOR WITH, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF UNITS AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BARELY SCRAPING BY.

SO I HAVE NOT GOTTEN TOGETHER WITH ANDREW.

UM, I TEND TO KIND OF KEEP MY HEAD DOWN AND TRY TO GET EVERYTHING DONE, BUT I THINK ADDING A MATING WITH ANDREW WOULD PROBABLY BE FRUITFUL FOR BOTH OF US.

SO I CAN, I CAN PUT MY, THAT ON MY LIST.

I'D BE GLAD TO.

THERESA, HOW MANY DIFFERENT BOOKING SITES OR WHATEVER ARE WE SCRAPING FOR THIS DATA? WELL, THERE ARE A LOT OF PRIMARY BOOKING SITES AND THEN THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SECONDARY BOOKING SITES THAT KIND OF PICK UP THE ADS.

IT'S, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE ALL LOOKED FOR APARTMENTS, BUT THE APARTMENTS WERE LIKE THAT.

YOU'D HAVE, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE PLACES THAT HAD ACTUAL RENTALS AND THEN YOU'D HAVE SEVEN OR EIGHT, UM, SITES THAT WOULD PICK UP THEIR ADVERTISEMENTS.

AND SO GOBOS CURRENTLY IS REALLY TRYING TO LOOK FOR THE FIRSTHAND, UM, LISTINGS.

AND SO THERE'S AIRBNB, VRBO, MARRIOTT, UM, SOMETIMES FLIPKEY IS COMES FROM TRIPADVISOR AND UM, THEY'VE RECENTLY ADDED BOOKING.COM.

AND I'M REALLY ANNOYED WITH BOOKING.COM BECAUSE IT'S WITH, UM, LIKE WITH AIRBNB AND VRBO, WHEN YOU CLICK ON A LINK TO AN ADVERTISEMENT, IT GOES RIGHT TO THAT PAGE.

AND WITH BOOKING.COM, HALF THE TIME I'M LOOKING AT A WHOLE PAGE FULL OF ADVERTISEMENTS THAT DOESN'T IDENTIFY A SPECIFIC PROPERTY.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CONSIDERED COLLATERAL OR NOT, AND I DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO SCROLLING THROUGH EVERY AD, BUT A COUPLE OF THEM, I THINK I SCROLLED THROUGH FOUR AND OF THOSE FOUR, ONE OR TWO OF THEM HAD THE ACTUAL LISTING THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY.

THE OTHER TWO, I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING.

AND IT'S NOT USEFUL BECAUSE IF IT'S HAPHAZARD LIKE THAT, I HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK REALTOR.COM OR SOMEPLACE ELSE TO REALLY VERIFY THE APPEARANCE OF THE PROPERTY.

'CAUSE UM, GO, GO GOBOS DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB, BUT THEY'RE NOT FOOLPROOF AND THEY HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO ATTACH THE WRONG LISTING TO THE WRONG ACCOUNT.

SO, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE MAIN FIVE.

UM, I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER SITES THAT CARRY BOOKINGS, BUT FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, THOSE ARE REPEATING, AIRBNB AND VRBO ARE STILL KIND OF THE GOLD STANDARD IN TERMS OF CAPTURING THE MOST LISTINGS.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY USE.

THEN YOU HAVE FACEBOOK WHERE THEY INDIVIDUAL OWNERS ARE PROMOTING THEIR PROPERTIES.

I GUESS SOME ARE VACANT AND YOU TEND TO SEE SOMEBODY POSTING THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY AND CONTACT ME AT THIS, UH, PHONE NUMBER TO BOOK AND THEY'RE REGISTERED.

I KNOW, YEAH.

MY NEIGHBOR, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE REGISTERED, BUT THAT MAY BE SHOWING SOMETHING TOO.

THEY'RE NOT BOOKING AS QUICK.

YEAH, YEAH.

AND I'VE, I'VE HAD REPORTS OF OWNERS FROM OWNERS WHO ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN RENTING FOR FIVE YEARS AND THIS WHOLE LAST SUMMER, THE PROPERTY SAT VACANT.

MY SISTER-IN-LAW HAS TWO PROPERTIES.

THEY WERE VACANT, WE'RE LOSING MONEY.

NOBODY'S REALLY MOVING.

WELL, I'M NOT IN ON THE DISCUSSIONS OF PEOPLE DECIDING TO SELL THEIR PROPERTIES.

I KNOW THAT THERE IS A LOT OF TURNOVER NOW, AND I WOULD SAY THE TURNOVER OF PERMITTED PROPERTIES CONTINUES.

AND SOMETIMES IT SURPRISES ME BECAUSE SOMEBODY WILL RENEW THEIR PERMIT IN JULY AND THEN I GET CONTACTED BY A NEW OWNER IN AUGUST AND THEY PERMITTED A PROPERTY.

BUT I GUESS, YOU KNOW, $200 IS THE PRICE OF DOING BUSINESS AND YOU CAN ASK MORE IF YOU HAVE A PERMITTED PROPERTY.

SO DEREK, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH.

AND VICE MAYOR, ARE YOU KEEPING TRACK IN ANY WAY OR DO YOU HAVE INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO YOU THAT TALKS ABOUT WHO

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AND I, YOU HAVE A SENSE FOR HOW MANY OF THOSE REALLY ARE LITTLE MOM AND POP OPERATIONS, AND HOW MANY OF THEM ARE THE, I DON'T KNOW, THE BLACKROCK FAMILY.

UM, I CAN TRACK THAT BY MAILING ADDRESS.

AND THE, THERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF ENCOURAGEMENT MAYBE ABOUT A YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WHERE SOME OF THE REAL REAL ESTATE ATTORNEYS WERE TELLING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PUT YOUR PROPERTY IN AN LLC.

AND, UM, THERE ARE A BUNCH OF STRATEGIES BEHIND THAT.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I HOPE TO WORK WITH WITH KURT IS TO KIND OF HAVE STRONGER LANGUAGE ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T, PERMITS DON'T TRANSFER FOR AN LLC AS WELL AS YOU PERMITS DON'T TRANSFER FROM ONE OWNER TO THE OTHER.

BUT CREATING AN LLC WAS SUPPOSEDLY A WAY AROUND THAT.

AND UM, SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME STRONGER LANGUAGE ABOUT THAT.

SO THERE ARE QUITE A NUMBER OF LLCS AND UM, REGRETTABLY, I HAVEN'T HAD THE TIME TO LIKE DIG IN TO LIKE THE ARIZONA CORPORATION COMMISSION, BUT GENERALLY THAT'S NOT A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT GIVES YOU LIKE ONE OR TWO OFFICERS.

SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY IDENTIFY IF IT'S COMPANY.

SOME, SOME COMPANIES DO SAY, YOU KNOW, SO AND SO HOLDING COMPANIES OR REAL ESTATE.

UM, BUT I WOULD SAY AT LEAST HALF, IF NOT TWO THIRDS ARE PROBABLY INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, COUPLES OR A FAMILY TRUST.

VICE MAYOR.

AND THEN I HAVE TO WEIGH IN.

HAVE WE ACTUALLY SHUT ANY DOWN? NO, WE HAVE NOT.

HAVE WE CITED PEOPLE? WE CONTINUE TO CITE, WE HAVE ABOUT 30 CITATIONS A MONTH FOR NONCOMPLIANCE, AND THAT'S KIND OF THE LIMIT OF THE SCOPE THAT CODE AND I CAN DO.

UM, AND WE'RE, I BELIEVE I REPORTED LAST MONTH, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE COURT NOW MM-HMM .

TO KIND OF GET A REPORT ON THOSE THAT ACTUALLY CAME TO HAVING AN ACTUAL CITATION AND WHAT THEIR PAYMENT STATUS IS.

THE, THE PROCESS, WELL, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, THE WAYS THE LAWS ARE WRITTEN.

UM, IT WOULD REALLY TAKE A LOT TO BE ABLE TO PROVE, YOU KNOW, GROSS NEGLIGENCE BY A SPECIFIC OWNER TO SET THE MECHANISM IN MOTION TO REVOKE A PERMIT.

AND RIGHT NOW, JUST IN WORKING WITH, UM, PERMIT NON-COMPLIANCE, YOU'RE NOT REALLY GONNA PENALIZE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T WANT A PERMIT BY SAYING YOU CAN'T HAVE A PERMIT.

SO, UM, I HAVE, WE HAVE THE ONE OWNER WHO'S RECEIVED HER FOURTH CITATION.

SO IT WILL BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE THAT GOES.

AND WE, JOANNE AND I, AND STEVE MET WITH THE COURTS, UH, LAST MONTH AND HAD A REALLY NICE CONVERSATION TO UNDERSTAND THEIR PROCESS AND KIND OF MESH IT WITH OURS.

AND THERE WAS, UM, SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIKE MOVING SOMETHING TO A CRIMINAL CITATION VERSUS A CIVIL, BUT THE JUDGE WAS SAYING THAT THE PENALTY FOR A CRIMINAL CITATION IS A THOUSAND DOLLARS LESS THAN OUR HIGHEST CIVIL CITATION.

SO THERE'S NOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INCENTIVE TO MOVE PEOPLE TO A CRIMINAL CITATION 'CAUSE THE CITY WILL LOSE MONEY.

UM, SO WE CONTINUE, I'M, I'M PULLING REPORTS AND REPORTING THE CODE ON A MONTHLY BASIS ON, ON, YOU KNOW, WHO IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE IN TERMS OF PERMITS AND WE ARE FOLLOWING UP ON THAT.

UM, CAN I GET CLARIFICATION ON THOSE 30 CITATIONS? IS THAT TO DATE OR ARE THOSE ACTIVELY OPEN CITATIONS? AT THE MOMENT IT'S, IT'S PER MONTH AND, AND THE WAY THE CITATION PROCESS WORKS, AND WE'VE JUST AMENDED IT BASED ON A REQUEST FROM THE COURT, BUT CODE WILL SEND OUT CITATIONS AND IF, UM, IF A PROPERTY COMES INTO COMPLIANCE BEFORE THE 30 DAYS ELAPSE BEFORE THEIR COURT DATE, THEN THE CITATION IS DISMISSED.

SO WE'VE REALLY ONLY HAD LESS THAN A DOZEN PEOPLE WHO'VE ACTUALLY BEEN CITED BECAUSE THE REST OF THEM COME INTO COMPLIANCE TO DATE, TO DATE.

WHAT, I GUESS WHAT WE WANT.

AND WHEN YOU, SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY PAY A FINE, THEY DON'T PAY A FINE IF THEY HAVE NOT PAID A FINE IF THEY COME INTO COMPLIANCE BEFORE THE AJUDICATION, BUT THEY HAVE THE 12 YOU JUST MENTIONED, EXCUSE ME, THE ONES THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT DON'T, THEY, THEY PAY A FINE AND SOME OF THEM HAVE PAID MORE THAN ONE FINE.

SO, UM, SOME OF THEM HAVE PAID PARTS OF THEIR FINES AND OTHER PARTS HAVE GONE TO COLLECTIONS.

I'VE HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO WERE REPEAT OFFENDERS, UM, THAT RECEIVED TWO FINES AND WHEN THEY RECEIVED THE THIRD CITATION, THEY PAID UP THE FINES AND BECAME PERMITTED, WHICH IS

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UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, BETTER THAN I DO THAT OUR SYSTEM IS, IS CREATED TO PROTECT PEOPLE AND GIVE THEM EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY.

SO THE CITATION PROCESS IS KIND OF A LONG TIME EXTENSIVE PROCESS AND IT DOES ALLOW PEOPLE KIND OF THE GOAL IS COMPLIANCE, NOT NECESSARILY CITATION.

BRIAN, IF YOU WANNA GO IN, I, I'LL GO AFTER YOU.

I, I STRUGGLE WITH THAT, UH, WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, THERESA, LIKE IF YOU'VE BEEN CITED PAY UP, LIKE I JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

WE'VE COMMUNICATED, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST YEAR OF THE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE VERY GENTLE WITH NON-COMPLIANCE, RIGHT? LIKE, WHY ARE WE GOING EASY ON THIS? IF IF I GET A TRAFFIC CITATION, I AM PAYING, RIGHT? LIKE THERE'S NO COMING INTO COMPLIANCE, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT I'M DRIVING SLOWER, I STILL GOTTA PAY THE, MY CITATION FEE.

RIGHT? SO I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

UM, THE OTHER PART IS, SO DO WE HAVE ANY ACTIVELY RENTING NON PERMITTED THAT, HAVE WE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH 1, 2, 3 MONTHS, WHATEVER.

LIKE, I'M JUST SURPRISED WE'VE NOT SHUT ANYBODY DOWN AT THIS POINT.

WE'VE, WE'VE NOT GONE AND PUT A LOCK ON THE FRONT DOOR.

I DON'T KNOW, I I HAVEN'T EXPLORED THAT.

THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION WITH KURT.

'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S LEGAL.

IF THEY'RE NOT, IF THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED AND THEY'VE NEVER BEEN PERMITTED, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ROLE OF THE CITY'S INVOLVEMENT WOULD BE.

UM, IT, I, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF INTERESTING FOLKS WHO, UM, DON'T REALLY RECOGNIZE THE CITY'S JURISDICTION TO BEGIN WITH.

SO, OH, SHOCKING.

SO, SO WE'VE GOT SOME SOVEREIGN CITIZENS THAT ARE RUNNING AN AIRBNB.

CAN WE PUT A LOCK ON THE DOOR? MAYOR AND COUNSEL? YOU CAN ONLY LOCK DOORS FOR, UH, SO, SO LIKE YEAH, FOR LIKE A NUISANCE HEALTH SAFETY REASON.

SO IT COULD STILL BE USED AS A HOUSE, RIGHT? SOMEONE COULD STILL JUST LIVE THERE AND SO WE'RE NOT ABLE TO JUST LOCK PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR, THE HOUSES.

WHAT CAN WE DO? YEAH.

HELP.

SO YOU MOVE TO THE $3,500 FINE, AND THEN YOU CITE THEM DAILY.

UM, AND THEN YOU CAN LIEN THE PROPERTY FOR THE AMOUNT THAT THEY, OH, THERE YOU GO.

THEY OWN THE, THEY OWN.

CAN WE, CAN WE ALSO PUT A SIGN ON THE FRONT YARD? THIS PROPERTY IS IN VIOLATION.

THEY, THEY DO POST THE PROPERTIES WHEN THEY'RE IN VIOLATION, BUT IT'S USUALLY JUST ON THE FRONT DOOR, NOT A, AND THEN AT A HUGE SIGN IN THE FRONT YARD.

AT WHAT POINT DO WE LEAN THE PROPERTY THEN WHEN THEY'RE RACKING UP 3,500 A DAY? WELL, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT AND THAT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE JUST ON OUR FOURTH ONE WITH THIS AND IT'S ONLY THIS ONE PROPERTY.

LIKE, LIKE THERE, YEAH.

EVERYBODY ELSE IS EITHER STOPPED OR, OR COME INTO COMPLIANCE AND THAT'S THE PROCESS SET UP BY STATE LAW.

WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, AUTOMATICALLY REVOKE THEIR PERMIT AFTER ONE VIOLATION ONCE YOU HAVE THREE VIOLATIONS IN A 12 MONTH PERIOD.

SO IF, EVEN IF THEY WAITED ONCE EVERY 12 MONTHS TO, TO, YOU KNOW, NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE AND PURPOSE, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING MORE WE COULD DO OTHER THAN THE THE SINGULAR FINE.

I MEAN, THE WORD GETTING OUT THAT WE TAKE THIS SERIOUS AND IF YOU GET CITED, YOU GOTTA PAY THE FINE.

LIKE I, I, THAT'S MY VIEW.

I YOU SHOULD HAVE TO PAY.

SO I MEAN, THE OTHER THING IS WE DON'T HAVE TO DO NOTICES OF VIOLATION AND GO STRAIGHT TO A VIOLATION AT THIS POINT, WHICH IS WHAT COUNSEL'S SAID.

ARE THESE ON THIS TOPIC? YEAH.

ON THIS.

ARE THESE VIOLATIONS PUBLIC INFORMATION? YEAH.

SO THERE COULD BE SOMETHING POSTING THE ADDRESS OF THE FOUR TIME CITATION RECEIVER, LETTING, LETTING IT BE KNOWN THAT.

DO YOU THINK THAT CARE, WELL, I MEAN, COULD YOU POST IT ONTO, YOU KNOW, THE SITE INTO THE AIRBNB OR TO VRBO, WHOEVER THE HOST IS, OR PUBLIC RECORD? WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION.

WE REQUEST IT.

I DON'T KNOW THE WE'RE GONNA POST IT.

TRYING TO POST IT ON THE CITY WEBSITE, UM, IS NECESSARY.

GOOD.

THAT MAY GET US MORE BACKLASH THAN IT GETS US BENEFIT JUST IN TERMS OF OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR INFORMATION.

AND WHAT ELSE WOULD THE CITY DO? I KNOW THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, A POSSIBLE JUST A FEE CHARGE FOR EVEN HAVING, MAKING CODE ENFORCEMENT WRITE UP A CITATION SO THAT USE THE SERVICES.

YEAH, THAT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WIN LOSE OR DRAW IF YOU COME INTO COMPLIANCE OR NOT.

THERE'S A FEE BECAUSE, OH, THERE YOU GO.

YOU MADE US SPEND OUR TIME.

WHEN CAN WE SEE THAT? YEAH, PERFECT.

UM, I, I KNOW TONY HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT WITH STEVE AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT'S AT, BUT YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GOOD JOB WITH THAT MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

THAT'D BE A CODE CHANGE.

AND SO YOU'LL YOU'LL HAVE TO SEE IT WHEN OKAY.

WHEN THEY PROPOSE IT IN A AMENDMENT TO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE OR, OR ALSO LIKELY MAYBE IN THE CITY COURT SECTION WHERE THERE'S SOME AUTOMATIC FEES THAT COUNSEL HAS APPROVED AT THE COURT, UH,

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ANYTIME.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, EVEN IF I COME IN AND I'VE, UH, SAY A SHOPLIFTING OR THEFT AND I GO TO A DIVERSION PROGRAM, THERE'S A, LIKE A $50 DIVERSION FEE.

UM, THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE WOULD NOT LIKELY, IT WOULD NOT LIKELY BE SOLELY FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

IT'D BE ALL CODE ENFORCEMENT OF COURSE.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, NON REGISTRATION.

NON LICENSE.

IN THE POWERPOINT, IN PREVIOUS POWERPOINT, YOU CONDUCT SPOT ORDERS FOR RANDOM SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UH, FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION.

I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A BIG PROBLEM A YEAR AGO, RIGHT? IT'S, IS IT STILL, UH, CONSIDERED TO BE A PROBLEM THAT'S THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, RIGHT? I DON'T, I DON'T GET THAT MANY CALLS AND, AND QUITE HONESTLY, UM, I HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THAT, THAT AUDIT SIMPLY BECAUSE THE PROCESS OF SETTING UP THE THIRD, THE MULTI-UNIT PERMIT PROCESS AND, AND DOING ALL OF THOSE THINGS, IT WAS PRETTY LABOR INTENSIVE.

I UNDERSTAND.

BUT THAT'S UP AND RUNNING NOW AND THAT AUDIT IS, UH, COMING THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE YEAR.

SO YES, HE WILL BE HEARING ABOUT THAT.

AND WHAT ABOUT THE SEX OFFENDER SCREENING REQUIREMENT? THAT WAS A BIG DISCUSSION A YEAR AGO AS WELL.

UH, HAVE YOU DONE A SPOT AUDIT ON THAT BEFORE? NO, BUT THOSE TWO WILL HAPPEN TOGETHER.

TOGETHER.

AND, AND IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, SINCE I'VE HANDED IT, WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS NOT JUST THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO LOOK FOR LICENSE NUMBERS ON ADVERTISEMENTS.

SO PERMIT NUMBERS.

SO I PROBABLY WILL JUST GO THROUGH THE WHOLE LIST IN MY AUDIT OF THE REQUIREMENTS.

SO I'M NOT GONNA GO OUT TO PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND CHECK IF THEY HAVE A POSTING ON THE PROPERTY, BUT I CAN LOOK AT THEIR LISTINGS AND SEE IF THEY HAVE A PERMIT NUMBER.

YOU KNOW, I CAN AND VERIFY THEY HAVE TO PRODUCE THEIR EVIDENCE OF, UM, NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION.

THE, THE PROPERTY THAT HAS THE MAIN HOUSE AND THE CASITA THAT WOULD, HOW, WHAT YOU JUST SAID, HOW DOES THAT FACTOR IN? SORRY.

AND THE, UM, I'M SORRY, JUST LEFT MY OFFENDER MIND SEX OFFENDER.

THE SEX OFFENDER SCREENINGS.

WELL, HOW ARE THEY GONNA DO THAT FOR EVERY, SAY THEY, THEY BOOKED A 50 BOOK BOOKINGS IN ONE YEAR, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO SHOW YOU PROOF THAT THEY'VE DONE BOOKINGS, UH, CHECKS ON THOSE BOOKINGS.

WELL, AS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THE STATE DIDN'T REALLY DO US ANY FAVORS BY SETTING THE LAW UP THE WAY THEY DID BECAUSE SHOCKING, THEY GAVE AIRBNB, THEY KIND OF RECOGNIZED AIRBNB STATEMENT THAT WE DO SEX OFFENDER SCREENINGS THAT SHOW, AND AIRBNB DOES NOT PROVIDE ANY KIND OF WRITTEN DOCUMENT THAT CONFIRMS THEY'VE DONE A SEX OFFENDER SCREENING.

IT'S JUST MASTER OF ELUSIVENESS IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY REALLY DO.

UM, SO AS I DO THIS, WHAT I'M GONNA LOOK FOR IS FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T, WHO DON'T HAVE PAPER LISTINGS, IF THEY'RE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CONSISTENT USE OF AIRBNB AND ANYBODY ELSE IS GONNA HAVE TO PRODUCE DOCUMENTS FOR ME OR THEY'LL BE CITED.

AND THAT'S CLEARLY LAID OUT.

PEOPLE ARE DIRECTED TO READ THE WEBSITE WHEN THEY START UP THE PERMIT, ALL THE INFORMATION IS THERE.

ONCE AGAIN, ROB, ROB MCMULLEN DID A REALLY GREAT JOB WRITING THAT UP FOR ME.

SO THIS IS NOT NEW NEWS.

AND SO IF I DO THAT, THAT AUDIT AND FIND PEOPLE WHO CAN'T PRODUCE THAT, THEN THEY WILL RECEIVE A CITATION.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU SAID, IF IT'S NOT LISTED WITH AIRBNB, THEY HAVE TO PRODUCE THAT INFORMATION, BUT IF, JUST BECAUSE AIRBNB SAYS IF THEY DO, IT ISN'T INCUMBENT UPON THE PROPERTY OWNER TO PRODUCE THE DOCUMENTATION TO YOU, EVERYONE ELSE SAYS, NO, IT'S NOT OKAY.

TO ME THAT MAKES NO SENSE.

I, BUT I THAT'S THE STATE, THE LAW.

YEAH, NO, I KNOW THERESA, THEY SIGNED OFF, THEY BACKED THE DEAL.

I TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY DURING THE SESSION HERE TO JUST GO TO YOUR EMERGENCY CONTACT LIST AND LOOK AT MY STREET.

UH, THREE PROPERTIES ARE LISTED, BUT THREE ARE NOT.

AND SO I'M JUST, THAT'S 50% COMPLIANCE WITH THE EMERGENCY CONTACT THING.

ANYHOW, WHAT'S THE CORRELATION BETWEEN YOUR AIRBNB LISTING DATABASE AND THIS EMERGENCY CONTACT AND WOULD THAT MAKE IT, IT'S NOT UPDATED MONTHLY.

IT'S GENERALLY UPDATED EVERY OTHER MONTH.

SO I'VE GOT THE UPDATED LIST TO GIVE TO ROB AND THEN HE'LL GET IT UPDATED.

SO YEAH, THESE THREE PROPERTIES IN MY MIND HAVE BEEN AIRBNBS FOR A LONG TIME.

, SO I SENT YOU AN EMAIL, TWO EMAILS ACTUALLY WITH ALRIGHT, PROPERTY ADDRESSES IN IT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION.

I'M HAPPY TO LOOK FOR THAT.

JOE.

UM, MAYOR, UH, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS, I ALSO JUST WANTED TO ADD A BIT OF CLARIFICATION BACK ON THE CITATIONS.

UM, EACH CITATION ISSUED IN ORDER TO BE COUNTED UP TO A NUMBER OF THREE.

THEY'RE NOT CITED BY PROPERTY ADDRESS, IT'S BY THE INDIVIDUAL OWNER.

AND THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE INDIVIDUAL OWNERS THAT HAVE BEEN CITED WITH A DIFFERENT NAME.

SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER ADDITION TO THE LAYER OF COMPLEXITY WITH THE CITATIONS.

THANK YOU, JOE.

WAIT, JOE, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THOUGH WITH

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WELL, THERE, IT'S A, IT'S A, WE HAD A, A GOOD MEETING WITH THE COURT AND CAME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COURT NEEDS TO CITE EFFECTIVELY.

AND SO WE'VE HAD SOME PROCEDURAL CLARIFICATIONS AND I WROTE UP A REAL SPECIFIC PROCEDURE AND, AND WHAT WASN'T UNDERSTOOD WAS THAT THE SYSTEM THAT I HAVE BEEN USING WITH, UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT IS BY PROPERTY ADDRESS.

WHAT THE COURT NEEDS TO ACCUMULATE AN ACCUMULATION OF, OF ESCALATING CITATIONS IS THAT THEY WORK BY PROPERTY OWNER.

AND FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD A PROPERTY THAT THE PROPERTY RECORDS, UM, SO GOBOS ACCOUNTS ARE SET UP BY WHAT'S IN YAVAPAI COUNTY, GIS AND, AND SEDONA GIS.

AND, UM, THERE'S NO AUTOMATED UPDATE FOR THAT.

AND, AND THAT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS I DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO COMBING THROUGH PROPERTY OWNERSHIP.

I USUALLY FIND OUT WHEN A PROPERTY SOLD BECAUSE A NEW OWNER CONTACTS ME.

I I JUST DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.

SO WE HAD A PROPERTY THAT WAS ON ITS THIRD CITATION.

THE FIRST TWO CITATIONS, THE PROPERTY WAS OWNED BY A RESTAURANT, AN LLC RESTAURANT.

AND THE INGENUITY OF CODE FOUND ACTUALLY AN OWNER, A SPECIFIC PERSON OWNER ADDRESS RELATED TO THAT PROPERTY.

AND SO THE THIRD CITATION WENT TO THE OWNER AND THAT WAS THE ONE THAT GOT THEIR ATTENTION.

AND THAT'S THE ONE WHERE THEY CAME INTO COMPLIANCE.

UM, SO THERE'S THIS, THIS WHOLE PROGRAM AND MY WORK WITH CODE IS WE'RE REALLY JUST, WE'VE JUST COMPLETED TWO FULL YEARS AND WE'RE STILL KIND OF DRAWING IN OUR COLLABORATIONS WITH THE COURT.

AND SOMETIMES IT'S JUST KNOWING HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE, HOW DO WE GET ON THE SAME PLAYING FIELD? AND WE'VE HAD THAT CLARIFICATION WITH COURT NOW.

AND, AND THEY WILL DELIVER AND THEY'VE CLARIFIED WHAT THEY NEED FROM CODE WHEN CITATIONS ARE WRITTEN UP ON HOW WE CAN ENSURE THAT SOMEONE WHO HAS THREE OFFENSES IS ON THE HOOK FOR THOSE THREE OFFENSES AND THOSE ESCALATING CITATIONS.

SO, UM, BUT THAT WASN'T INFORMATION THAT, THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY.

ARE THE PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED PROPERTIES, DO YOU TEND TO HAVE LESS PROBLEMS WITH THEM? YES.

TO CITE THE, THE, THE DEBT PROPERTY OWNER'S DESIGNEE, WHICH WOULD BE THE, UM, THE MANAGER.

IT, IT'S INTERESTING.

I I I YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE PROPERTY MANAGERS AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF 'EM THAT ARE PROBABLY REALTORS TOO WHO ARE SAYING THERE'S NOT A GROWTH IN PROPERTIES.

AND THE PROPERTY MANAGERS HAVE DONE REALLY WELL.

I, ONE OF THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGERS, UM, SARA ARIZONA IS NOW PUTTING THROUGH HER PERMIT RENEWALS AND THEY'RE PERFECT EVERY SINGLE ONE ON TIME DONE CORRECTLY JUST, AND, AND THAT'S A BENEFIT TO US.

THEY MAKE IT THEIR BUSINESS TO KNOW WHAT THE ORDINANCES ARE.

UM, IF THERE'S TRASH PROBLEMS, THERE'S KIND OF A BEST PRACTICES AND, YOU KNOW, THEY SHARE AND MAKE IT THEIR BUSINESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE MORE THAN ONE TRASH ISSUE.

UM, SO THEY, THEY TAKES THE STEPS TO DO THOSE THINGS SO THAT THEY ARE GOOD SHORT-TERM RENTAL MANAGERS AND NEIGHBORS.

UM, SO THERE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT THEY DO A GOOD JOB WITH.

I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO NAME NAMES, BUT ARE THERE ANY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES YOU'RE NOT HAVING GOOD LUCK WITH OR, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE THAT ARE ELUSIVE AND KIND OF NON-RESPONSIVE.

UM, AND SO IF, IF I HAVE A TRASH COMPLAINT OR I HAVE A NOISE COMPLAINT, AND THIS IS FOR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OR INDIVIDUAL OWNERS.

SO IF THE HOTLINE CALLS SOMEONE AND THEY CAN'T REACH THEM 'CAUSE THE PHONE'S NOT ANSWERED, OR THE VOICEMAIL BOX IS FULL AT THE TIME THAT I'M REVIEWING THE COMPLAINT, I'M FOLLOWING UP BECAUSE I HAVE THAT CONTACT INFORMATION AND I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH A PROPERTY MANAGER OR THE INDIVIDUAL OWNER AND SAY, LOOK, IT'S A CONDITION OF MAINTAINING YOUR PERMIT, THAT YOUR EMERGENCY CONTACT BE AVAILABLE.

THIS NEEDS TO BE FIXED, LET ME KNOW THAT YOU FIXED IT.

AND SO, UM, I'M NOT LETTING LITTLE INCIDENCES OF NON-RESPONSIVENESS SLIDE AND CODE IS VERY GOOD ABOUT FOLLOWING UP WITH PEOPLE AND UM, TONY HAS REALLY STEPPED UP AND BECOME A GOOD PARTNER IN TERMS OF SOMETIMES THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR CODE TO JUST SEND A FRIENDLY EMAIL TO, UM, OR FOR MYSELF.

AND SO WE REALLY TRY TO HOLD A HIGH LEVEL ACCOUNTABILITY AT LEAST FOR THAT INITIAL RESPONSIVENESS AROUND COMPLAINTS.

KURT, DO WE HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO CITE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY IF THEY'RE NOT, IF THEY'RE MANAGING A PROPERTY THAT'S A PROBLEM.

THERE IS LIMITED AUTHORITY UNDER THE STATE LAW TO, UM,

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I, I WILL CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT PROBABLY 97% OF ALL OF 'EM REALLY WANT THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY.

AND IT'S A COVETED PLACE TO BE, TO BE SEEN AS PROFESSIONAL AND A GOOD RESOURCE.

AND, UM, IF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PROPERTY OWNERS AND PROPERTY MANAGERS IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S MERCURIAL, A LOT OF PROPERTY OWNERS WILL TURN THE MANAGEMENT OF THE ENTIRE MANAGEMENT OF THEIR SHORT-TERM RENTAL OVER TO THE PROPERTY MANAGER.

SO THEY SET THE ACCOUNT UP, THEY GET THE INFORMATION, THEY FOLLOW UP, SOME OWNERS WILL HIRE A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND THEN NOT KEEP THEM IN THE LOOP WITH INFORMATION.

SO WE HAD A PROPERTY THAT JUST RECEIVED A CITATION RECENTLY FOR NONCOMPLIANCE AND THEY HAD SET THE ACCOUNT UP AND THE PROPERTY MANAGER KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT.

SO BOTH, UM, TONY AND I GOT AN EMAIL FROM THE PROPERTY MANAGER SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, LET, GIMME THE INFORMATION.

I'LL DO IT RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT POSITION AND THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY, UM, FOR THE MOST PART IS PRETTY COVENANTS, COVETED STATUS.

AND, UM, THE MANAGEMENT COMPANIES, AND THIS, BY THIS I MEAN OUR LOCAL COMPANIES, NOT THE BIG CORPORATIONS WAY OUT THERE WHO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

BUT OUR OUR LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES ARE, ARE REALLY ON IT.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

ALRIGHT, SO, UM, THE STATS HERE, I'VE KIND OF MADE OUTDATED 'CAUSE I'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT'S MOST RECENT.

WE WERE AT 97% COMPLIANCE IN OCTOBER.

WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 94.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT BIG JUMP IN, UM, NEW PROPERTIES AND IN ON PERMITTED PROPERTIES AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN CONTACTED AND THE ONES THAT GET A NEW LETTER WILL HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO RESPOND AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BE PERMITTED OR THEY'LL JUST GET CITED FOR NON-COMPLIANCE.

UM, AND, AND THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE RECEIVED THIS FIRST ROUND OF CITATIONS ARE NOW IN THAT PROCESS OF WORKING THEIR WAY THROUGH COMPLIANCE.

AND WE'LL SEE WHERE, WHERE IT GOES.

UM, SO AS OF THE REPORTING IN OCTOBER, THERE WERE 87 PROPERTIES THAT WERE CITED AND WE JUST ADDED ANOTHER 26.

SO WE'RE CLOSE TO NOW A HUNDRED PROPERTIES PER YEAR FOR THE YEAR THAT HAVE BEEN CITED.

UM, I WOULD SAY IT STILL HOLDS AT ABOUT 95% OF ALL CITED PROPERTIES COME INTO COMPLIANCE BEFORE THEIR COURT DATE.

SO THAT'S WHERE THAT ADMINISTRATIVE FEE WOULD COME INTO PLAY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THE ADJUDICATION PROCESS.

UM, AND THE, THE CITATIONS THAT EVOLVE INTO ADJUDICATIONS, THEY'RE GETTING PENALTIES.

THE COURT FOLLOWS OUR SCHEDULE OF PENALTIES.

SO FIRST OFFENSE IS $500, SECOND OFFENSE IS A THOUSAND DOLLARS, THIRD OFFENSE IS 3,500.

AND AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT TENDS TO GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION.

OF HOW TO DO THIS IS PAUSED BECAUSE THE PROCESS IS CHANGING SO MUCH.

I HAD SOMEBODY KIND OF DITHER AROUND AND NOT, NOT REALLY TAKE ME SERIOUSLY.

AND I DON'T KNOW, I THINK I'VE STOPPED ADVERTISING ON, OFF, ON, OFF WITH THE ADVERTISEMENT.

SO WE HIT HIM WITH THAT THIRD CITATION AND THOSE ADVERTISEMENTS WERE DOWN, THEY STAYED DOWN FOR ABOUT A MONTH AND THEN THEY PAID FOR A TPT LICENSE AND A PERMIT.

SO THAT IS, THAT IS THE, UH, THE ATTENTION GETTER.

SO AGAIN, THE PROPERTY MANAGERS MEETINGS, UH, WILL MOVE TO A QUARTERLY BASIS, UM, JUST BECAUSE THERE, THERE ISN'T ENOUGH TO TALK ABOUT.

AND BOTH I AND THE PROPERTY MANAGERS ARE JUST TOO BUSY TO MEET MONTHLY.

UM, I'VE ADDED TWO NEW PROPERTY MANAGERS, SO I SEEM TO BE ON THE LIST.

JUST PROPERTY MANAGERS TALK TO EACH OTHER JUST LIKE, UM, OWNERS DO.

AND SO I AM HAVING NEW PROPERTY MANAGERS REACH OUT TO ME AND ASK TO LEARN THE ROPES FROM SEDONA SO THEY GET INCLUDED.

AND SO THE CITY HAS A GOOD REPUTATION AS A RESOURCE, AND AGAIN, PEOPLE WHO WANNA KNOW HOW TO DO IT RIGHT ARE REACHING OUT.

UM, I SPENT TIME WITH ARIZONANS FOR RESPONSIBLE TOURISM AND TALKED ABOUT OUR POLICIES AND SECRETS OF SUCCESS.

AND I WILL BE PART OF A, ANOTHER MEETING IN FEBRUARY THAT, UH, EDUCATE OWNERS, AND THIS SHOULD HAVE A BROADER AUDIENCE BECAUSE IT WILL BE A ZOOM MEETING, BUT I'LL BE SPEAKING ABOUT SEDONAS RULES AND, AND PARTICULARLY ABOUT THAT TWO PERMIT PROCESS.

UM, THE PROGRAM MANUAL IN TERMS

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SO AS, AS WE KIND OF COME INTO THE CITATION PROCESS AND LEARN MORE, UM, THAT WILL GET, THAT WILL GET WORK DONE MORE.

SO I CONTINUE TO MEET WITH ARIZONA COMMUNITIES.

UM, MOST RECENTLY I MET AGAIN WITH LAKE HAVASU CITY AND, UM, THEY ARE ACTUALLY, UM, TOTALLY REWORKING THEIR SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROCESS IN TERMS OF DEVELOPING SOME NEW SOFTWARE WITH A VENDOR.

SO I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO BE IN CONTACT WITH THEM BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS THEY WERE WORKING ON SOUNDED REALLY EXCITING, MUCH SMARTER SOFTWARE, MUCH MORE ACTIVE INFORMATION, AND THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT I WILL WANNA PURSUE.

IT WAS ACTUALLY REALLY, REALLY EXCITING TO HEAR WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

UM, AND THEIR REACH IS GOING TO BE A LOT BIGGER.

SO INTEGRATING CODE WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND A SMART SOFTWARE AS OPPOSED TO POURING OVER SPREADSHEETS SO THAT THAT COULD BE A REAL BOON.

UM, WE CONTINUE TO SHARE BEST PRACTICES AND STILL A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT I TALK TO, SEDONA IS SMALLER THAN SAY SCOTTSDALE OR SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES.

SO OUR PROGRAM IS SMALLER, BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED AND, AND OUTREACH AND COMPLIANCE, WE'RE RIGHT THAT WE'RE RIGHT UP THERE WITH, WITH THE BIG COMMUNITIES.

AND WE'RE AHEAD OF, STILL AHEAD OF A LOT OF THE SMALLER COMMUNITIES.

UM, I STILL WANT TO CONTINUE TO CREATE VIDEOS FOR YOUTUBE AND WORK WITH KEEGAN.

UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER TOPICS THAT I WILL COVER AND WE'LL JUST CONTINUE HOPEFULLY TO MAKE AT LEAST ONE A MONTH, IF NOT TWO A MONTH AND CONTINUE THAT.

SO WE HAVE A WHOLE LIBRARY OF, OF INFORMATION.

I'VE GOTTEN FEEDBACK FROM, UM, SHORT TERM RENTAL, RENTAL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THEY REALLY LIKE THESE VIDEOS AND THAT THEY CONSIDER THEM A GOOD SOURCE OF INFORMATION.

SO THAT COULD ALSO HELP WITH COMPLIANCE.

UM, WE LIVE IN AN, IN AN AGE WHERE PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY READ THINGS, BUT VIDEOS SEEM TO BE A GOOD EDUCATIONAL TOOL.

SO WE'LL CONTINUE THAT.

UM, I'M ALSO GONNA CREATE A LONGER VIDEO THAT IS JUST A HOW TO PERMIT YOUR PROPERTY AND GO THROUGH THAT.

SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE ON MY GOALS AND THAT'S IT.

UH, LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.

THAT'S KURT.

SO I I UH, THERESA, I WANNA JUST SAY THANK YOU.

I MEAN, YOU'RE IN THE UNENVIABLE POSITION OF BEING BETWEEN A COUNCIL THAT WANTS TO CRACK DOWN ON SHORT TERM RENTALS AND LIMIT THEM AND YOU HAVING TO WORK WITH THEM.

SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.

I'M FROM MINNESOTA AND I DO HAVE A TERMINAL CASE OF MINNESOTA.

NICE .

IT'S CONGENITAL, BUT MAYBE IT'S, IT'S MY AGING, BUT I'VE BECOME VERY PRACTICAL AND PEOPLE DON'T RESPOND WELL IN OUR CULTURE RIGHT NOW TO A HARD APPROACH.

AND SO IN SOME WAYS MY RELATIONSHIP BUILDING WITH PROPERTY MANAGERS AND AND OWNERS IS SELF-SERVING BECAUSE THEY WANT, THEY'RE MOTIVATED TO DO WELL AND IF I POSITION THEM FOR SUCCESS, OUR COMPLIANCE RATE SAYS THEY ARE.

AND, UM, SO I CONTINUE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT PRODUCES RESULTS.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND MY RANGE IN TERMS OF REQUIREMENT REQUIREMENTS, REALLY HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR ALL OF THE THINGS ON THAT THE CITY REQUIRES.

I'D LIKE TO DO FURTHER EDUCATION, I WANNA BE ABLE TO BACK UP WHATEVER IT IS I PUT OUT THERE WITH ACTION SO THAT THE CITY STAYS CREDIBLE.

'CAUSE I THINK WE ARE A CREDIBLE PROGRAM AND PART OF THAT IS BEING REASONABLE AND COMMUNICATING AND PROVIDING INFORMATION AND THAT THAT CREDIBILITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT BOTH TO OUR RESIDENTS AND TO THE OWNERS THAT WE WORK WITH.

AND, AND I'M, I'M REALLY CONSCIOUS OF THAT.

I WANT SEDONA, THE ACTIONS OF SEDONA AND WHAT WE SAY AS A CITY AND THE MESSAGE THAT GOES OUT THERE TO BE CONSISTENT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE BEST POSSIBLE RESULTS.

WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH THERESA.

I APPRECIATE THE VERY CONCISE, UH, PRESENTATION.

AND I, I WANNA THANK THE COUNCIL FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

ALL OF YOU ONGOING ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE AND YOU HAVE IDEAS AND, AND WE WORK TOGETHER AND I THINK WE HAVE THE SAME GOALS AND, AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL SUPPORT.

LIKE-MINDED TO ALL CITIES REALLY, UH, CITIES AND TOWNS, UH, AND ASKING THEM TO PASS A SIMILAR RESOLUTION.

ALRIGHT, KURT.

THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

UH, SO FROM THE SLIDE, JUST AN UPDATE, COUNCIL, AS YOU KNOW, PASSED RESOLUTION DECLARING A HOUSING SHORTAGE EMERGENCY EXACERBATED BY THE PROLIFERATION OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

UM, AND WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THAT OUT TO, WITH OUR HELP OF THE CITY LOBBYISTS AND THE LEAGUE, UH, TO THE LEGISLATURE, TO THE GOVERNOR, TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, UM, AND TO, UH, NEIGHBORING AND

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WE HAVE A MODEL RESOLUTION THAT WILL BE BEING SENT OUT TO THEM AS WELL.

UM, THEN WE'VE STARTED, UH, MEETING WITH OTHER GROUPS, UH, TO HELP GET THEIR TAKE AND MAYBE SUPPORT IN, UM, IN THEIR JURISDICTION PASSING SIMILAR RESOLUTIONS.

SO MET YESTERDAY WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION, THE, THE ACTUAL COUNTY ATTORNEYS AND DISCUSS THE, THE ISSUES WITH THE, THE, UH, THAT THE CITY'S EXPERIENCING.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT MEETING, WE WERE INVITED TO THE CHIEF, UH, CIVIL DEPUTIES, UH, OF THE COUNTY'S, UM, MEETING TOMORROW.

AND THOSE ARE THE ATTORNEYS THAT ARE GENERALLY ADVISING THE BOARDS OF SUPERVISORS.

UM, AND THIS WILL BE AN INTERESTING TIME JUST BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE KIND OF, UH, SO FAR THE COUNTY AND STATE LAWS ON SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGULATION HAVE, HAVE BEEN THE SAME, EXACT SAME, UH, WHATEVER'S PASSED FOR THE CITIES GETS PASSED FOR THE COUNTIES.

UM, BUT THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO, WE WILL PROBABLY DIVERGE, UH, THE LEAGUE BILL, UH, SPONSORING, UH, RETURNING LOCAL CONTROL, ALLOWING FOR CAPS OR, UH, DIFFERENT DISTRICTS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS OR SPACING REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE NOT ONES THAT EASILY TRANSFER OVER TO AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, ESPECIALLY THE SIZE OF THE COUNTIES WE HAVE IN ARIZONA.

UH, AND SO THEY MIGHT BE LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR JUST MAYBE CHANGE IT SLIGHTLY THAT WILL WORK FOR THE COUNTIES AS WELL.

SO, UM, SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE.

UM, AND WE'RE REALLY GETTING GEARED UP AND FOR THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT WE'LL START IN JANUARY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR KURT DEREK? WHAT, IF ANY, OKAY, SO OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T CAP THEM WITHOUT STATUTORY AUTHORITY.

WHAT, IF ANY WIGGLE ROOM DO WE HAVE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, INSPECTIONS, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING, OBVIOUSLY IF I RUN A HOTEL, UM, I'M SUBJECT TO HEALTH INSPECTION.

IF I HAVE A RESTAURANT, I HAVE TO HAVE HEALTH INSPECTIONS, I HAVE FIRE INSPECTIONS, I HAVE WHAT, WHAT IF ANY WIGGLE ROOM DOES THE CITY HAVE ON ANY LEVEL WITH THAT KIND OF STUFF? YEAH, SO THE, THE STATE LAW ALLOWS THE CITY TO REGULATE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN, IN TWO WAYS.

ONE FOR HEALTH SAFETY REASONS.

UM, WE'RE NOT THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, WE HAVEN'T REALLY GONE THAT WAY.

WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

WE HAVEN'T GONE THAT WAY.

UM, WHAT CITIES HAVE DONE IS REQUIRE FOR HEALTH REASONS, LIKE A, A LANDLINE ON EACH LEVEL.

UM, SMOKE AND CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTORS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT WAS THE PARADISE VALLEY, UM, MODEL.

UM, AND WE DISCUSSED THAT AS A COUNCIL ONCE AND COUNCIL WASN'T NECESSARILY INTERESTED IN IMPLEMENTING THAT, UH, TYPE MODEL BECAUSE OF THE STAFF RESOURCES AND TIME IT WOULD TAKE TO TRY TO ENFORCE ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEN THE OTHER WAY THE CITY CAN REGULATE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IS THROUGH CODE REGULATIONS THAT, UM, APPLY TO ALL HOUSES EQUALLY.

SO IF, FOR EXAMPLE, WE REQUIRE ALL HOUSES TO HAVE, UM, SHORT, SO, UM, A PERMIT FOR WEDDINGS NOW, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, SO THERE ARE, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE FOR THE CITY TO REGULATE SHORT TERM.

THOSE TWO MODELS.

I MEAN, I'M NOT, I DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO REOPEN DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE THINKING ABOUT AREAS WHERE WE DO HAVE SOME REGULATORY AUTHORITY.

AND I REALIZE I DON'T WANT TO OVERBURDEN OUR STAFF, BUT I MEAN IF WE HAVE ROOM TO REGULATE, LET'S REGULATE.

UM, I KNOW THE DISCUSSION, AN EXAMPLE OF THE TWO PHONE LINES OR ONE PHONE LINE ON EVERY FLOOR.

HOW DO YOU MONITOR THAT? HOW DO YOU ENFORCE IT? YOU'LL NEVER KNOW.

SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF CUMBERSOME AND THAT'S WHY WE, UH, COUNCIL DIDN'T, UH, LOOK TO PURSUE THAT AND WE'RE PURSUING WHAT WE CAN.

AND SOME OF THEM, I MEAN THEY DON'T ALWAYS WORK.

UH, WHAT WORKS IN SCOTTSDALE DOESN'T REALLY NECESSARILY WORK HERE.

HENCE WHY WE WANT LOCAL CONTROL AND NOT STATE CONTROL.

I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT.

I MEAN THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO MAKE IT LESS DESIRABLE TO OWN A SHORT TERM RENTAL THAN JUST A CAP OR A WELL THAT'S PERMIT SYSTEM OR WHATEVER.

ABSOLUTELY.

JUST SOMETHING TO ADD ABOUT.

AND I, THIS MAY NOT BE PRACTICAL, BUT, AND COUNCILOR FIVE, I THINK WHERE COUNCIL LANDED LAST TIME WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, AND I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHEN, MORE THAN A YEAR AGO PROBABLY, UM, WAS THAT THAT TYPE OF ACTIONS WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH.

EVEN IF, EVEN IF YOU KNOW, CUMBERSOME OR BURDENSOME ON THE SHORT TERM MORALES, IT WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH FOR THEM TO NOT OPERATE AS A SHORT TERM.

THERE'S STILL ENOUGH THEY JUST PA IT OFF ON THEIR MANAGEMENT COMPANY TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE.

SO WE DON'T HAVE AN OVERALL EFFECT.

NOISE COMPLAINTS, UM, WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE TYPES OF HUGE PARTY HOUSES, PARTIES, SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE IN SCOTTSDALE.

AND WE'RE NOT REALLY, WELL I SHOULD ASK WITHOUT MAKING A STATEMENT, ARE WE HAVING AN ISSUE WITH PARTY HOUSES ANYMORE? I MEAN, SCOTTDALE HAS A HUGE AMOUNT OF PARTY, UH, HOUSES, BUT HOW MANY COMPLAINTS OTHER THAN WE STILL GET SOME

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, UH, MR. MAYOR? YES.

UM, SO THAT'S THE LAST PORTION FOR THE HOUSING GOAL AREA.

SO JUST A QUICK PAUSE AND CHECK IN.

UM, ONE ITEM THAT I BELIEVE I HEARD YESTERDAY THAT MIGHT FIT IN THIS CATEGORY, SO I JUST WANT TO TOUCH BASE WITH YOU ON WHETHER OR NOT I SHOULD CAPTURE IT AS A POTENTIAL PRIORITY WAS THE NOTION OF, OR MAYBE IT WAS THIS MORNING, I'M SORRY, , BUT WAS THE NOTION OF SHOULD WE BE WORKING WITH SOME OF OUR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPERS ON SECURING SOME UNITS FOR EMPLOYEE HOUSING OF THE CITY? WHICH IN EFFECT WOULD BE LIKE, GO OFF TO HR AND FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF EMPLOYEE HOUSING PROGRAM OR, OR OPPORTUNITY.

UM, WHICH MANY MUNICIPALITIES, COUNTIES, LARGE EMPLOYERS DO REGULARLY.

WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT HERE.

SO IF THAT IS OF INTEREST AS A POTENTIAL RECRUITMENT TOOL OR WHATEVER UNDER HOUSING, I'M HAPPY TO ADD THAT TO MY LIST, BUT I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK FIRST ON, I DON'T KNOW IF AND OF YOU SAW THE SAME ARTICLE I DID, BUT JEROME JUST BOUGHT THEIR SECOND HOUSE, RIGHT? JEROME SMALL TOWN JUST BOUGHT THEIR SECOND HOUSE FOR EMPLOYEE TRANSITIONAL PERCENT OF THEIR HOUSING STOCK.

IS THAT LIKE 1% OF THEIR HOUSING STOCK? I THINK PRETTY MUCH SO, SO, UM, I FROM YESTERDAY WHEN WE HAD THE CHIEF SPEAKING, UM, I'M DEFINITELY, FOR US AT LEAST EXPLORING THIS CONCEPT BECAUSE ATTRACTING AND RETAINING PEOPLE, I HEAR THAT FROM KIND OF EVERY DEPARTMENT, NOT JUST THE CHIEF IS AROUND HOUSING AND THE COST OF LIVING HERE FOR HOUSING.

SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO THAT HELP US ATTRACT AND RETAIN SOME OF OUR CRITICAL WORKERS, I I WOULD BE FOR US AT LEAST EXPLORING THAT.

YES, I, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT AS WELL WHEN THEY, WHEN UH, JEANIE WAS TALKING ABOUT NAVAJO LOFTS AND HOW SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE AVAILABLE FOR SALE.

I'M THINKING THEY'RE RIGHT HERE.

THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE WOULD WANNA EXPLORE ALSO SEE IF WE WANTED TO BUY ONE OR TWO UNITS.

RUSS, DO YOU WANNA WEIGH IN ON THAT AT ALL? YES.

WHEN WE GET A CHANCE? I, I ABSOLUTELY.

YOU GOTTA BEND THE MIC.

SORRY.

WE WILL.

UM, RUSS IS GONNA BE PART OF OUR DISCUSSION.

YEAH, I'M COMING UP NEXT.

SO WHEN I SEE A RED TRUCK, I, THERE'S A LOT OF RED TRUCKS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS AND THAT'S ONE OF 'EM.

SO OKAY.

THANK YOU'LL DISCUSS IT.

THANKS.

MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE GONNA PAY ON THE PAY IN DIFF.

JUST ON GENERAL HOUSING, CAN I ASK, I DON'T KNOW, MAY I PLEASE ASK KURT QUESTIONS? , SO THIS IS JUST GENERAL HOUSING 'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE LAST FEW SESSIONS, LIKE LEGITIMATE SESSIONS IS ABOUT HOUSING AND, AND A BROADER HOUSING POLICY, ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO THE FEES THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT DOING.

UM, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, AND I I I'M GONNA PUT THIS ON THE RECORD AND THIS IS A LEGAL QUESTION.

UM, FOR GENERAL HOUSING, CAN WE EVEN DO SOMETHING LEGALLY THAT WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IF IF A NEW, IF A DEVELOPER IS BUILDING A HOME AND HE WANTS TO DEED RESTRICT IT TO SAY IT WON'T BE AN STR FOR INSTANCE, CAN WE AS A CITY SAY WELL THEN WE'LL PAY X PERCENT OR UP TO X PERCENT OF THE DIFF FEES.

THIS IS THE SLIDING SCALE APPROACH.

RIGHT? UM, AND IF THEY WERE TO SAY, I'LL NOT ONLY DEED RESTRICT IT, UM, BUT UH, SO THAT IT'S NOT SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UM, I WILL ALSO SAY THAT LONG-TERM RENTAL, I WILL MAKE IT X PERCENT OF THE A MI TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR N NUMBER OF YEARS OR WHATEVER THE LEGAL CONTRACT MIGHT BE.

AND FOR WHICH WE MIGHT SAY, WELL THEN WE'LL PAY UP TO Y PERCENTAGE OF THE DIFF FEES.

WHEREAS FOR THE DIGA WE SAY WE MAY WAIVE ALL OF THE FEES.

SO WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT, IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO HAVE THIS BROADER POLICY AROUND REDUCING OR MANAGING THE FEE BASED ON WHAT WE SORT OF GET IN EXCHANGE FOR IT? OR IS THAT STILL NOT LEGAL MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND COUNCILOR DUNN? I THINK THERE'S SOME POSSIBILITY TO, TO DO THAT.

I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD, IT'S NOT ILLEGAL ON ITS FACE.

WE CAN UH, WAIVE AND PAY THE FEES IF WE'RE GETTING SOMETHING, UH, BACK AND KIND OF COMMENSURATE IN VALUE.

AND THE WAY YOU COULD TIE THAT IS ON A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UM, THE REALTORS WILL TELL YOU THE PRICE DIFFERENCES, YOU KNOW, 10%, UH, WHETHER IT CAN BE USED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL OR NOT, UM, KIND OF IN GENERAL.

AND SO, UM, AND SO YEAH, IF THEY'RE GOING TO DEED RESTRICTION AND THEY'RE GONNA LOSE 10% OF THE HOME VALUE, THAT'S PROBABLY LIKELY

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AND SO THERE MIGHT BE ROOM TO TO TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT COULD BE HOUSED IN THE DIGA AS WELL AND NOT JUST BE FOR MULTI-FAMILY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SINGLE-FAMILY AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WELL, INCENTIVIZE THAT.

SO JUST SORT OF GENERALLY ACROSS THE COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY INTEREST IN US HAVING ASKING STAFF TO SORT OF LOOK INTO THIS TO SEE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A SINGLE HOME, WHETHER OR NOT IF THE PERSON'S WILLING TO, TO GIVE US CONSIDERATION ABOUT IT NOT BEING SHORT-TERM RENTAL OR BEING AN AFFORDABLE LONG-TERM RENTAL THAT WE, WE HELP OUT IN SOME, SOME WAY AS A CITY.

WE HAVE SOME PRECEDENTS, WE DID IT ONCE.

NOT JUST SINGLE FAMILY HOMES EITHER.

MM-HMM FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, IT'S JUST FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

NO, I WOULD SAY NOT JUST SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

IF SOMEONE WANTED TO BUILD A MARKET RATE SMALL SQUARE FOOT THING, THEN THAT'S FINE.

IT'S JUST THE BROADER HOUSING THING ABOUT HOW DO YOU SORT OF MODERATE THE FEAST SINCE EVERYONE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HOW HIGH THE FEES WERE.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT BUILDING IN ESSENCE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

IS THAT IT, KURT? YES.

OKAY, BARBARA, IS THAT YOU NEXT? ALRIGHT.

WE PUT THAT ON OUR, UH, ADVERTISEMENTS AND, AND JOB BOARDS, UH, REGULARLY TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE ARE A GREAT PLACE THAT PEOPLE DO LIKE TO WORK.

MOVING INTO OUR NEXT NOT GOAL AREA.

UM, GOOD GOVERNANCE, WHICH OF COURSE IS LIKE THE SUPPORT SERVICES AND GOOD STEWARDSHIP OF THE FUNDS AND SUPPORTING EV EVERYBODY ELSE'S WORK IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO I WILL START WITH THE OVERVIEW.

UM, IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET, ONLY 2% OF THE WHOLE CAPITAL BUDGET IS RELATED TO GOOD GOVERNANCE, BUT GENERALLY GOOD GOVERNANCE IS OPERATIONAL, RIGHT? AND SO THIS AMOUNT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, THE 1.15 IS FOR THE ERP SYSTEM.

UM, THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR THAT I BELIEVE IS ABOUT 3.4 FOR THE WHOLE SYSTEM.

3.4 MM-HMM I HAVE TO REMEMBER HOW TO USE THIS.

OKAY, SO WITHIN THE OPERATING BUDGET, UM, IT'S ABOUT 14.1 MILLION OR 24% OF THE CITYWIDE OPERATING BUDGET AND 10.5 MILLION OR 29% OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET IS RELATED TO THAT GOOD GOVERNANCE AND THE SUPPORT FUNCTIONS.

SO JUST TO BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC, OH I GUESS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

I WAS GONNA TRY TO DESCRIBE WHAT, WHAT'S INCLUDED, WHICH DEPARTMENTS SINCE THAT SOUNDS LIKE A BIG NUMBER, RIGHT? BUT IT IS ACTUALLY A HUGE PORTION OF WHAT THE GENERAL FUND DOES IS KIND OF ENSURE THAT ALL OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND FUNDS CAN DO WHAT THEY DO TO KEEP THE LEVEL OF SERVICE HIGH AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN GOOD SHAPE.

SO WHILE LIKE FINANCIAL SERVICES ISN'T VERY PUBLIC FACING AND INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AND HUMAN RESOURCES, CITY MANAGER MORE SO, BUT ALL OF THESE SUPPORT FUNCTIONS THAT REALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MANAGING PROPERLY, UM, THE MONEY OF THE CITY AND HOPEFULLY MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE GOOD POLICIES AND PROCESSES IN PLACE.

SO IT'S ALL THE NOT FUN STUFF THAT THOSE OF US WHO WORK IN IT COMPLETELY LOVE.

BUT YOU KNOW, FOR THE COMMUNITY IT'S KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE STUFF YOU DON'T REALLY SEE.

AND I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE ERP SYSTEM, SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER NOW, UM, WITHIN THIS AREA TO RUSS WHO WILL GIVE US A LITTLE UPDATE ON OUR GREATEST ASSET EMPLOYEES AND UH, SOME STUFF HE'S DOING IN HR AND IT'S THIS ONE.

ALRIGHT, SO HELLO COUNSEL.

UH, I APPRECIATE AS I SAID, UH, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU OWN A RED TRUCK, YOU SEE A LOT OF RED TRUCKS.

I SAW A LOT OF THAT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.

SO I APPRECIATE, UM, THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR HUMAN RESOURCES AND HOW THAT IS GONNA AFFECT EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UH, AND TO THE POINT I KEPT, I DID PEER IN HERE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES AS I HEARD SOME OF THE THINGS.

UH, SO FOLLOWING UP, IF YOU HAVE MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS OR CONVERSATIONS, LET ME KNOW.

UH, IN THE TIME THAT THAT I HAVE EXPECTED TO BE HERE, I DIDN'T EXPECT TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF THOSE DETAILS, BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'LL DO MY BEST TO KIND OF GET YOU MY TAKE ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

UM, I ONLY DID A COUPLE SLIDES 'CAUSE I FIGURED YOU GUYS WOULD BE WAY OVERDUE IN YOUR TWO DAYS.

SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN UP TO.

UM, WE DID DO YEAR OVER YEAR.

UH, THE EMPLOYMENT ENGAGEMENT SURVEY DIDN'T CHANGE A QUESTION.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY, IF YOU WILL, FOR UH, ANALYSIS AS TO WHAT FROM ONE YEAR TO THE OTHER.

I DON'T HAVE THAT ANALYSIS QUITE YET, BUT I GAVE YOU AT LEAST A COUPLE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT I SAW THERE, UH, POSITIVELY.

SO IT STILL IS A VERY GOOD PLACE TO WORK.

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ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW IN JUXTAPOSED TO THAT IS I PLAN ON WORKING HERE IN FIVE YEARS.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S YOUR PERCEPTION OF WHAT YOU THINK THE STAFF MIGHT THINK.

UH, BUT FOR ME, MY PERCEPTION WAS THAT THEY MAY NOT ANSWER THIS POSITIVELY.

SO, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, UM, EITHER AGREE OR NEUTRAL, THEY HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THE NEGATIVE SIDE OF THAT IS ACTUALLY PRETTY HIGH.

SO YOU'VE GOT 87% OF THE STAFF NEARLY SIMILAR TO THE, THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO WORK.

MAYBE THEY'RE RELATED, UM, THAT HAVE EITHER NOT THOUGHT ABOUT LEAVING OR AT LEAST LIKE WHERE THEY ARE AND THINK OF THIS PLACE AS THEIR LONG-TERM, UH, HOME, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY GOOD.

UM, SO THAT'S A REAL POSITIVE THING.

UH, A COUPLE OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT, OBVIOUSLY, UH, THE TOP RATED FACTORS AS TO WHY, UH, THEY CHOOSE A PLACE TO WORK THOSE PAY AND BENEFITS.

BUT THE ONE THAT I'LL, I'LL MENTION A COUPLE DIFFERENT TIMES THAT'S NOT AS EASY AND NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS, UH, UNDERSTOOD OR APPRECIATED IS THE MANAGEMENT.

AND SO THROUGHOUT THE SURVEY, UM, THERE'S SEVERAL INDICATIONS WHERE PEOPLE SAY THINGS THAT ARE REALLY POSITIVE ABOUT THE MANAGEMENT, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT KEEPS EMPLOYEES HERE.

'CAUSE THEY'VE EITHER WORKED FOR BAD MANAGERS OR THEY DON'T WANNA WORK FOR A BAD MANAGER.

SO THEY'LL STAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOMEONE THAT THEY CAN WORK WITH OR OTHERWISE.

AND THAT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF 'EM.

AND I THINK PART OF WHEN YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WORKLOADS AND THE TYPE OF EMPLOYEES THAT ARE HERE, THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE ASSIGNING, THE VACANCIES THAT WE HAVE, YOU TALKED ABOUT PLANNING, I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A SECOND.

THAT STRESS, IF YOU WILL ON STEVE FOR HIS WORKLOAD AND WHAT HIS STAFF DOES, GIVES HIM LESS TIME TO BE A MANAGER.

AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME OUT IN THAT SURVEY REFLECT THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOUR MANAGERS ARE DOING A LOT OF DAY-TO-DAY WORK, THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING PROJECT MANAGEMENT INSTEAD OF HUMAN MANAGEMENT, RIGHT? SO THAT, THAT REFLECTS IN SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND I THINK THAT'S A POSITIVE REFLECTION ON STAFF IN SOME WAYS LOOKING FOR THEIR MANAGERS TO HAVE THAT TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE THINGS.

UH, SO ANY RATE, LOTS TO UNPACK.

I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF STUFF HERE.

UH, I'VE GOT IT SITTING HERE.

IF AT SOME POINT YOU'RE LIKE, OH, THERE WAS THAT QUESTION, WHAT DID THEY SAY? I'VE GOT THAT HERE.

OR IN A FOLLOW UP AS WELL.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

UH, YEAH.

A LINK AND HOPE AND PRAY THAT THEY WOULD COME AND DO THEIR EXIT INTERVIEW IN THAT FORM.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YEAH, NO, I I ON THE EMPLOYEE SURVEY.

ANY QUESTIONS IN THAT AREA I GUESS? YEAH.

NOPE.

YEP, I'M ON THE NEXT PAGE.

OKAY, SO NEXT THING, OBVIOUSLY, WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHAT HAVE WE BEEN DOING? WHAT IS THE PRIORITIES? THE, WHEN I MET WITH YOU, UH, BRIEFLY FOR BUDGET, THAT WAS THE TOP PRIORITY WAS THOSE KIND OF TURNOVER SITUATIONS, GIVING YOU JUST SOME HIGH LEVEL KIND OF, OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

UM, 23, 24, KIND OF SOME LEVEL OF, OF TREND.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY OUR FIVE, UH, MONTHS OR SO GOING INTO THIS YEAR, 5%, WHICH, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY IS PRETTY GOOD.

SO OUR TURNOVER RATE IS PROGRESSING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, UH, YOU KNOW, CALENDAR YEAR.

SO BASICALLY, UH, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, IT'S AT 14%.

SO IF YOU START TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE WINDOWS, 14% IS NOT AS BAD AS 18 AND A HALF, RIGHT? SO IT'S, IT'S TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, WHAT FOUR Y THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE PART OF WHAT'S ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU, AND THIS HAS TO DO A LOT WITH THE CURRENT.

SO IN, IN 23, 24, BASICALLY FISCAL YEAR, UH, LAST YEAR, 36 POSITIONS WERE FILLED.

WE'VE DONE 25 SO FAR THIS YEAR.

SO WE'RE VERY ACTIVE.

APPRECIATE THE, THE STAFFER WE WERE ABLE TO PULL ON TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT KIND OF VOLUME, WHICH HAS CHANGED, UH, AND IS AS, AS WAS SUGGESTED, IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO UP.

THESE ARE POSITIONS FILLED, THE TRANSACTIONS ARE HIGHER, OBVIOUSLY WE TRANSACTION WHEN SOMEONE'S MOVING IN AND SOMEONE'S MOVING OUT.

THOSE ARE ALL TRANSACTIONS, UM, THAT WE DID LAST YEAR.

FOR EXAMPLE, FISCAL YEAR.

SO THROUGH JULY, UH, THERE WAS 81 TRANSACTIONS.

SO THAT'S EITHER HIRING OR TERMINATING.

AND THOSE ARE ALL THE POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE.

SO THOSE ARE, I WOULD CALL 'EM TRANSACTIONS.

WE'VE DONE 45 SO FAR THIS YEAR.

SO JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU, IT'S NOT LETTING UP.

IT'S A PART OF THE PROCESS.

IT'S PART OF WHAT THE STAFF DOES AND IT'S PART OF WHAT IS THERE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND I'VE SPENT OVER THE LAST YEAR DOING.

UM, AND THAT'S JUST PART OF WHAT WE DO.

WHAT I'M HOPING TO DO, AND AGAIN, WITH SOME CAPACITY, AND I CALL IT CAPACITY, NOT PRIORITIES, BUT CAPACITY, WE HAVE SOME MORE CAPACITY.

SO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE GOAL IS TO DO MORE OF THAT, WHICH WE THINK WILL ACTUALLY HELP THE NUMBERS ON THE LEFT, RIGHT? SO DOING IN-PERSON EXIT INTERVIEWS, WE USED TO JUST KIND OF SEND THEM

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WE'RE DOING THEM LIVE AND IN PERSON EVERY CHANCE WE GET.

UM, ON TOP OF THAT AND PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE THAT I'LL AT LEAST HIGHLIGHT ON THE WAY OUT THE DOOR.

AND WE HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO I, I'LL SAVE THAT FOR THE NEXT THING IS THE CLASS AND COMP STUDY THAT'S IN PROCESS NOW AND HAVE A LARGE EFFECT ON THE CONVERSATIONS YOU HAD OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.

AND ULTIMATELY, UM, THAT PROCESS IS PROBABLY END OF JANUARY.

WE'LL HAVE REALLY HARD INFORMATION THAT STAFF WILL BE WORKING THROUGH AND, AND I GUESS PROPOSING AS WE GO INTO BUDGET, UM, EXPANDED ONBOARDING, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FIND, WE SPEND AN HOUR AND A HALF TO TWO HOURS ON THAT INITIAL ONBOARDING, IMAGINE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT GETS TRANSLATED IN THAT TIME AND IMAGINE ALL THAT THAT DOESN'T STICK, RIGHT? SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT ONBOARDING 2.0 EVEN FOR, UH, STAFF THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A FEW YEARS, WHAT ARE THEY MISSING, RIGHT? WE HAVE THAT A DP, UH, OPPORTUNITY WHERE THEY CAN SEE IT ALL THE TIME, BUT IT'S JUST A GOOD REMINDER.

WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES, THE BENEFITS THAT YOU HAVE WORKING HERE? WHAT MIGHT YOU, UH, BE GAINING IN, UH, WHAT YOU'RE MISSING OR YOU MISS FROM THAT 2.0? UH, OPPORTUNITY.

UM, EXPANDED TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES.

SO PART OF THE BUDGET, UH, I'M TRYING A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THAT.

IF YOU GO THROUGH THIS, THE, GOING BACKWARDS A LITTLE BIT IN, UH, WHAT I SAW IN THE DETAIL COMMENTS, A LOT OF THE STAFF DO WANT ADDITIONAL TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES, BUT THEIR WORKLOAD DOESN'T ALLOW THEM TO KIND OF LEAVE FOR THOSE.

AND SO I'M TRYING, SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW LORMAN, IT'S A FAIRLY LARGE COMPANY THAT HAS DONE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

THEY ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR CERTIFICATIONS FOR FOLKS LIKE US THAT WOULD LIKE THOSE CERTIFICATIONS, BUT EVEN LEGAL CERTIFICATIONS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THAT OUR, OUR WASTEWATER IS USING THEM TO TRY TO KEEP UP THEIR CERTIFICATIONS.

WE'RE USING THAT AND WE'LL SEE HOW THAT USE GOES FORWARD.

THAT MIGHT HELP A LOT OF OUR STUFF, OUR STAFF WHO CANNOT NECESSARILY GO OUT TO KEEP UP THEIR CERTS BUT CAN DO THAT LITERALLY FROM THEIR DESK AND LIVE WEBINARS AND AND REDOING THAT.

SO I'M TRYING THAT OUT AND WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES OVER THE NEXT, UH, SIX MONTHS OR SO.

SO, UM, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THAT QUESTION, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE TRAINING.

UM, OTHER THAN STAFF THAT DO REQUIRE CERTIFICATIONS OR ANY SPECIAL, UM, REQUIREMENT ON AVERAGE, WOULD YOU SAY, HOW MUCH TRAINING TIME DOES A STAFF MEMBER GET? GENERALLY NONE.

LIKE, BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, IT'S HARD TO GET TO THINGS IN PHOENIX.

HOURS.

YEAH, YOU COULD PROBABLY COUNT 'EM ON YOUR HAND FOR THE MOST PART IN AN ANNUAL, UH, UNLESS THEY'RE REQUIRED TO.

AND EVEN THAT THEN IT'S USUALLY THAT BECOMES THE PRIORITY OF THE HANDFUL OF HOURS THAT THEY SPEND ON THAT SPECIFIC TRAINING.

THE GOAL HERE IS TO AT LEAST KIND OF DOUBLE THAT WHERE THEY'RE SPENDING AN AVERAGE OF A COUPLE OF DAYS IN THEIR WHOLE YEAR WHERE THEY HAVE HOURS THAT THEY CAN GET THOSE KINDS OF TRAININGS AND OR FULFILL THEIR TRAININGS THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED.

SO YEAH, GOING, SOME PEOPLE WILL GO TO A COUPLE DAYS OF A CONFERENCE.

THE THE BUILDING OFFICIAL WILL GO TO THE COUPLE DAYS, GET THEIR CERTS UP, THAT KIND OF STUFF IS GONNA ONGOING.

SO THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

THIS SPECIFIC TRAINING IS ONES THAT I DON'T GET ANY TRAINING IF I CAN'T GET AWAY FROM MY DESK.

MM-HMM OR FOR, THERE IS NO, TO YOUR POINT, FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T IN A SPECIALTY, THERE AREN'T THOSE TO GO AWAY FOR TWO DAYS AND GET YOUR TRAINING.

SO OUR HOPE IS TO SUPPLEMENT THAT LITERALLY AT THEIR DESK OR AT THEIR, UH, ABILITY TO DO THAT IN AREAS THAT ARE NOT SPECIALTY AS MUCH AS WELL.

ABOUT A REAL PLACE THAT THEY CAN CALL HOME, RIGHT? SO RIGHT OFF THE BAT, ONE OF MY FIRST EXIT INTERVIEWS WAS NOT SO MUCH THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE, IT WAS LESS THAN WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.

WHAT ARE YOU GETTING FROM YOUR EXIT INTERVIEWS? ARE YOU GETTING THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED? SO I KNOW I LIKE THE DATA TOO, SO I'M HOPING THAT MAYBE EVEN THROUGH SOME OF THAT BUDGET IT WILL SUPPORT MAYBE SOME OF THE REQUESTS THAT COME THROUGH.

UH, 'CAUSE THEN NOW I'VE BEEN HERE A YEAR, I'VE GOT SOME OF THAT IN COMPARISON TO SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE GOT, UH, KIND OF THE DIGITAL WORLD THAT WAS BEFORE AND START TO GIVE SOME OF THOSE HIGHLIGHTED UH, ISSUES.

I WILL TELL YOU JUST FROM ANECDOTAL, UH, REFERENCES THE COMPETITION AMONGST THE VALLEY HERE.

THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS REAL.

IF THEY CAN GET THE WAGE WE'RE PAYING AND STAY HOME, THEY DO WELL CLOSER TO HOME.

SO WE LOSE IF WE, OUR WAGE IS SIMILAR, RIGHT? SO OUR BENEFITS ARE THERE.

THEY ALWAYS, AND EVEN IN THOSE INTERVIEWS, THEY GO, OKAY, GREAT, GREAT, GREAT BUT THAT, UM, AND SO THEY, WE MIGHT EVEN BE COMPETITIVE OR BETTER THAN IN THOSE, UH, IN THE VALLEY HERE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

BUT WHEN THE WAGE IS SIMILAR, THEY'RE NOT COMMUTING, RIGHT? I MEAN THAT'S THE BALANCE OFF SET.

AND THAT, THAT TREND IS THAT WITH THE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, SOME THAT ARE HERE, THE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS, SO I DON'T WANT TO END UP ON A DIFFERENT TANGENT, BUT I WILL TELL YOU HOUSING OPPORTUNITY IS MORE THAN JUST THE OPPORTUNITY.

SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MAYBE PURCHASING THOSE KIND OF THINGS, IT'S

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SO LESS SPACE, NOT NECESSARILY IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD LIVE IN THAT UNIT.

SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION AS MUCH AS MAKING SURE THERE'S A BOX FOR SOMEONE WHO NEEDS IT CHECKED, RIGHT? SO THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION AND I FOUND THAT CONSISTENTLY ON HOUSING, WHEN IT WAS TALKING ABOUT HOUSING, IT WASN'T NECESSARILY THE EXPENSE THEY COULD FIND HOUSING, BUT THEN IT WAS A COMMUTE DISTANCE OR THE HOUSING THAT THEY FOUND HERE WAS LESS THAN THE SIZE OR THE KIND OF ENVIRONMENT THEY WERE HOPING TO GET WHEN THEY MOVED TO THE AREA.

RUSS, HOW ARE YOU FINDING OUR SALARIES COMPARED TO Y-C-S-O-C-C-S-O OR DPS? WELL, UH, I'VE HAD TO TAKE A COUPLE OF JOBS AND COMPARE THAT AGAINST WHAT WE EXPECT WILL HAPPEN IN THE NEXT MONTH EFFECTIVELY.

AND WE'RE BEHIND NEXT PAGE LITERALLY ARE, I DIDN'T GET THERE YET, SO WE'LL, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE THERE, BUT WE ARE BEHIND IN THAT CATEGORY, UM, NOT NECESSARILY JUST IN IN THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF JOB.

UM, BUT I WILL SAY, AND, AND AGAIN, PART OF THIS CONVERSATION IS ONE THAT YOU'RE JUST STARTING NOW WITH THAT CLASS IN COMP, BUT REALLY YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND WHAT DO YOU WANT TO GET OUT OF IT, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE COMPETITIVE.

BACK TO THE POINT I MADE, COMPETITIVE IS GREAT, BUT IF THEY CAN GET A COMPETITIVE WAGE, THEY'RE CHOOSING NOT TO COMMUTE, WHICH IS PART OF THAT, RIGHT? OR THEY'RE CHOOSING A HOUSING OPPORTUNITY THAT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER, WHICH IS THE COMMUTE, AND THEN THEY'RE MAKING A CHOICE AS TO WHERE THEY WORK.

SO THEY'RE ALL TIED VERY CLOSELY TOGETHER, NOT JUST THE WAGE.

AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, JUST TRYING TO KEEP ON THE CULTURE.

YOU'LL FIND THAT EVEN IN THE, THE STUDIES, THE PLACE HERE HAS BEEN VERY WELL MANICURED FOR GOOD COMPANY CULTURE.

AND SO THAT'S A TESTAMENT TO THOSE THAT WERE HERE, UH, BEFORE AND IT'S I THINK INCUMBENT UPON THOSE OF US WHO HAVE SHOWN UP LATELY TO CONTINUE TO BUILD UPON THAT.

AND I CAN, UH, YOU CAN TRUST THAT THAT'S A CONSTANT DRUMBEAT IN HR EVERY DAY.

RUSS.

YOU, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, YOU SKIPPED OVER STAY INTERVIEWS.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

GREAT.

SO PART OF THAT CULTURE IS TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT THEY WANT.

AND I, I, THE BEST EXAMPLE I HAVE IS, UM, WHEN I GOT HERE, I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA DO THIS.

I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA HAVE THAT, OR THE JOB WAS GONNA DO THIS, OR THE OPPORTUNITIES WERE GOING TO BE THAT THE STAY INTERVIEW GIVES ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHECK IN ON THOSE THINGS THAT AREN'T EVEN REALLY DISCUSSED AT AN INTERVIEW RIGHT.

THEREAFTER.

YOU GET HERE, YOU START TO THINK ABOUT THIS JOB AND WHERE IT IS AND YOUR CAREER PATH AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

AND THAT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU'RE HERE SIX WEEKS OR SIX YEARS, OR 16 YEARS.

SO THE CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO GO AND CHECK IN WITH FOLKS AND CHECK IN WITH THOSE THINGS IS SOMETHING THAT NOW I'LL HAVE TIME TO DO AND BE ABLE TO KIND OF, AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A RETENTION.

UH, PRIORITY IS TO SEE, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES IT'S LIKE, MY COMPUTER JUST DOESN'T REALLY DO WHAT I WANTED TO DO.

WOW.

IS THAT REALLY LIKE I I MY COMPUTER WHERE I WAS, AND THEN GOING BACK TO KIND OF THE NEXT AND FORESHADOWING IS, ARE THERE THINGS THAT YOU THOUGHT WOULD BE AT YOUR DESK OR IN YOUR BENEFITS PACKAGE OR YOUR PAY JUMPS OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE MISSING? AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT SO WE CAN AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS IT BEFORE I'M SITTING IN A STA OR A EXIT INTERVIEW INSTEAD OF A STAY INTERVIEW.

DOES THAT HELP? YEAH.

THAT, THAT'S, AND I THINK THAT'S STELLAR.

I MEAN, THAT THAT IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF THING THAT YOU RANDOMLY CHECK AMONGST ALL THE DURATION OF YOUR EMPLOYEES.

TO SEE HOW IT'S GOING.

I WANTED TO ALSO ASK ABOUT THE EXIT INTERVIEWS.

AND I, I, IT'S AN INITIATIVE.

I'M ASSUMING IT'S EVOLVING.

CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR PHILOSOPHY OF, YOU SAID IN PERSON, BUT WHAT ABOUT ANONYMIZED OR THIRD PARTY? YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S, THIS IS ALWAYS THE, THE BALANCE THAT YOU MIGHT HOPE TO GET MORE HONEST FEEDBACK, BUT THEN YOU, IT ALSO MIGHT BE EXAGGERATED FEEDBACK.

AND HOW DO YOU BALANCE THAT? I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

WELL, I START WITH THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I ASK 'EM WHEN I FIND THAT THEY'RE SEPARATING, WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT TO DO? YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO EITHER ONE.

THERE'S A CHOICE.

SO THAT STARTS THE CHOICE.

SO IF THEY HAVE THAT ANGLE, THEN THEY WOULD CHOOSE THAT ANGLE MOST LIKELY.

UM, BUT WHAT I'M ALSO FINDING AND, AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE STATISTICS THAT I WILL BRING OF WHAT I'M FINDING, UM, I DON'T PUT NAMES ON IT ON THAT EXIT INTERVIEW.

TO BE THERE SHORT OF ANY PERSONNEL ISSUE THAT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE BEFORE THEY LEFT.

AND I SHOW THEM THAT.

AND THEN I TELL THEM THAT ON THE FRONT END, WHATEVER YOU PUT IN HERE DOESN'T HAVE A NAME TO IT.

I'M MEETING WITH YOU, I'M GETTING THIS INFORMATION, IT'S GREAT.

I WILL, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SCRUB IT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT DEPARTMENT BASED KIND OF CONVERSATION.

'CAUSE WE REALLY WANT THE LARGER CONVERSATION

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I SAY THAT, SO IT'S NOT MISUNDERSTOOD.

BUT ULTIMATELY WHEN YOU SEE THOSE STATISTICS, THEN I SHOW 'EM THE FORM AFTER I'M DONE.

I SAY, IS THERE ANYTHING ON HERE THAT YOU FEEL IS GONNA TIE YOU TO THIS PARTICULAR CONVERSATION SHORT OF ME KNOWING THIS ONE IS, IS YOURS? AND THEY GO, NO.

AND THAT'S HOW WE KEEP IT.

SO THE HOPE IS, IS THAT EVEN IN THAT PERSONAL INTERVIEW, THAT AT THE START I CAN ESTABLISH SOME LEVEL OF TRUST AND AT THE END REASSURE THEM THAT, AND THEN HOPEFULLY WITH THE AMOUNT OF, AND THIS IS THE OTHER PART THAT I JUST SKIPPED OVER IN THIS AS THE STAFF, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD CULTURE HERE BETWEEN EXISTING AND FORMER EMPLOYEES.

AND I'M HOPING THAT THAT WORD GETS BACK TO THEM.

THAT IF YOU DO SEPARATE, DON'T HESITATE TO BE HONEST, BE TRUTHFUL IN THAT PROCESS.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, I ALSO OFFER, AGAIN, IF YOU WANT ME TO SEND YOU ONE THAT'S A LINK TO A SURVEY, I'M WELCOME, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT.

AND THEY GO, NO, I THINK I GOT ALL MY INFORMATION ACROSS.

AND THAT'S BEEN VERY HIGHLY APPRECIATED THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD THE PERSON TO TALK TO.

BUT I DO GIVE THEM THE CHOICE.

YOU KNOW, I, I COME FROM A LARGER ORGANIZATION AND I JUST, AND I WONDER THE DIFFERENCES OF WORKING IN A SMALLER ORGANIZATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA KNOW .

BUT, BUT NOT, NOT THAT I'M SAYING ANYTHING.

WE'LL TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO SCRUB THAT.

AS I SAID, WHEN I PROVIDE THAT TO YOU, THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO KEEP THE FORM THE SAME, AT LEAST.

INITIALLY THAT WHAT I WAS GIVEN, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ALTERED A LITTLE BIT BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE HERE.

UH, BUT I TRY TO KEEP IT YEAR OVER YEAR.

SO I HAD THAT ABILITY TO DO SOME STATISTICAL ANALYSIS FOR YOU COMING FORWARD.

YOU KNOW, I, I HAD ONE OTHER PLACE, NOT WHERE I WAS, BUT I HEARD OF FOLKS DOING A KIND OF A SCIENTIFIC OR A RANDOMIZED SIX MONTHS POST.

HEY.

BUT THAT WOULD WAS AS ANONYMOUS.

SO IN CASE, INTERESTING.

AND THEY GOT A MESSAGE FROM SOME THIRD PARTY FIRMS SAYING, HEY, ANYTHING YOU WANNA SHARE NOW? SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IN RETROSPECT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT CAN ALSO PROVIDE YOU SOME LEVEL BECAUSE WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING A LOT, THAT'S SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASK, WHY ARE YOU LEAVING? SO THE QUESTION IS, WHY ARE YOU HERE? WHY DID YOU COME HERE? IF YOU CAN REMEMBER BACK WHAT MADE YOU LEAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF THINGS, WAS IT THE JOB? WAS IT WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO THOSE ARE PART OF THE EXISTING, AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT, THAT RETROSPECTIVE MAYBE SIX MONTHS OR SO AFTER, MIGHT BE HELPFUL.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK.

HERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES, SOME INTERNAL TRAININGS.

SO WHAT ARE THE THEMES OF WHY PEOPLE ARE LEAVING HOUSING? THEIR LACK OF TYING THEIR HOUSING NEEDS TO THAT NOW, IF THEY ALREADY EXIST HERE, IT'S BECAUSE THE COMMUTE, THEY'LL PICK A, A LACK OF COMMUTE IN COMPARISON.

IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING IN THE AREA THAT IS COMPARABLE FROM A WAGE PERSPECTIVE, THE COMMUTE BECOMES THE BALANCE, THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT COMMUTE BECOMES THE BALANCE.

SO I HEAR THAT.

SO IT'S THE HOUSING THEY'VE ALREADY HAD HERE.

SO EVEN THOSE EXISTING EMPLOYEES THAT COME FROM THE VALLEY, UH, OR IN, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF YOU WILL, 30, 45 MINUTE KIND OF COMMUTE DISTANCE, THEY'RE LEAVING.

'CAUSE THEY CAN FIND SOMETHING SIMILAR.

AND WHETHER IT'S THE BENEFITS OR THE PAY OR THE WHATEVER THAT WORKS FOR THEIR FAMILY CLOSER TO THEIR HOUSE.

AND SO THAT, AND I, YOU KNOW, I SIT THERE AND GO, YEAH, THAT KIND OF MAKES SENSE.

IT'S REALLY HARD.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE NEXT THING, IT'S REALLY HOW DO YOU, MAYBE IT'S AN ULTRA COMPETITIVE SCENARIO, BUT THERE'S CHALLENGES TO THAT AS YOU'LL POINT OUT TO ME, RIGHT.

COMING FORWARD.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S IT IS HOUSING.

IT'S REALLY, IT, IT CAN'T BE BEAT.

NOW THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT THING, AND I HIGHLIGHTED IT ON THE EMPLOYEES, IS MANAGEMENT FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, THEIR PARTICULAR POSITION WITH MANAGEMENT IN THEIR AREA ISN'T CONGRUENT.

AND SO THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH, THIS OTHER JOB JUST PROVIDES ME WITH EITHER THE, THE SITUATION WHERE I FEEL LIKE I'M, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M GONNA BE BETTER.

AND I ALWAYS CHALLENGE PEOPLE ON THAT.

BACK TO YOUR POINT, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, AND WE'VE HIRED AND REHIRED SOME PEOPLE.

AND WHAT I THINK IS INTERESTING IN MY SHORT TIME HERE IS THOSE REHIRES GO, WELL I THOUGHT, AND THEN THEY, RIGHT.

AND YOU'VE GOT A VERY STRONG SUPPORT OF THE MANAGEMENT CULTURE.

SO TO ME, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A HIGHLIGHTED PROBLEM IN MANAGEMENT, BUT I WILL TELL YOU BACK TO THE TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES, I THINK WHEN WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE MANAGERS, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE SOME OF THOSE SKILL SETS TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH A CHANGING CULTURE AND WORK AS WELL.

'CAUSE THAT'S HAPPENING AS WELL.

SOME OF US HAVE BEEN IN WORK FOR A LITTLE BIT, HAVE A PARTICULAR WAY WE LIKE TO DO THINGS.

AND WHAT I AM HOPING I CAN EVEN MODEL IS I'VE GOTTA LEARN TO BE BETTER.

HERE'S HOW OTHER EMPLOYEES ARE LOOKING AT WORK NOW.

HOW ARE WE LOOKING AT WORK? AND THAT'S, THAT'S MAYBE THE SECOND THEME THAT I SEE IN THERE.

HOUSING BEING, THE REASON THAT PEOPLE LEAVE, I, I JUST WAS RUNNING SOME NUMBERS HERE AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE LOCAL MEDIA LIKES TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A SCANDALOUS THING THAT WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT MAKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.

THANK YOU MAYOR RUSS.

THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE

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RIGHT? AND SO WHEN THE BUDGET COMES OUT, THERE'S GONNA BE THE, OH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS THIS MANY PEOPLE THAT MAKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND HERE'S WHO THEY ARE.

AND, AND IT'S JUST SCANDALOUS, RIGHT? BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT FROM A, UM, COST BURDEN PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT? UM, A HUNDRED THOUSAND MEANS YOU'VE GOT A PAYMENT OF $2,500 A MONTH.

AND IF YOU COULD ACTUALLY GET A 6% MORTGAGE RIGHT NOW, UH, AND YOU HAD 20% DOWN TO BUY SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO BUY A $521,000 PROPERTY, THAT DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO THE MEDIAN PRICE IN SEDONA.

I DON'T THINK THAT COMES TERRIBLY CLOSE TO THE MEDIAN PRICE IN THE VERDE VALLEY ANYWHERE.

AND I'M ONLY AWARE OF A HANDFUL OF CONDOS THAT MIGHT APPROACH THAT FIGURE.

BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE AN HOA FEE THAT GOES WITH THEM, ET CETERA.

AND MY CALCULATIONS DON'T INCLUDE TAXES AND INSURANCE.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT JUST ERODES FURTHER.

SO IT, IT FEELS LIKE MAYBE I'M, MAYBE I'M POINTING TO A, A BIGGER DIFFERENT PROBLEM THAT'S A MORE PR RELATED, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING I WANT TO JUST GO AND, AND PAY EXORBITANTLY MORE FOR THE FOLKS THAT, THAT WE EMPLOY.

BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, WE NEED TO GET THE COMMUNITY TO BE MORE INFORMED ABOUT WHAT IT ACTUALLY COSTS TO LIVE.

BECAUSE WE SEE, WE GET A LOT OF NEGATIVE FEEDBACK OF, OH, WELL JUST BECAUSE YOU WORK HERE DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO LIVE HERE.

AND WE GET THE, I, YOU KNOW, I DROVE AN HOUR EACH WAY, YOU KNOW, TO WORK, YOU KNOW, FOR 40 YEARS BEFORE I CAME HERE.

YOU COULD TRY TO DRIVE AN HOUR EACH WAY FROM HERE AND STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.

SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN PART IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THE MEDIA WERE MORE SUPPORTIVE IN HELPING COMMUNICATE, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL CHALLENGE ASSOCIATED WITH BEING ABLE TO EMPLOY FOLKS AND THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE BEING COMPETITIVE FROM A SALARY COMPARISON PERSPECTIVE, WHICH I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA GET TO NEXT, BUT LIKE, NOBODY'S GETTING RICH OFF OF COMING AND WORKING HERE, PER SE.

AND, AND THE ANSWER ISN'T JUST TO LOOK DOWN VALLEY, VERDE VALLEY.

THAT IS, UM, SO MY, MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE CHALLENGE OF RECRUITING AND RETAINING STAFF, PERIOD.

AND UH, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD GET LOCAL MEDIA TO BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, TO UNDERSTAND THAT MORE THOROUGHLY AND BE YEAH.

SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, NOT JUST WORK HERE.

THANK YOU BRIAN.

UH, THAT'S A GREAT TRANSITION.

IT CERTAINLY WAS.

UM, I, WELL, BUT I, I TEND TO THINK, YOU KNOW, KNOW IT'S ONE THING TO ADD ON TO WHAT BRIAN SAID.

YOU CAN DRIVE ALMOST 45 MINUTES JUST TO GET TO THE END OF THE VERDE VALLEY.

DOWN TO, UM, HOW, HOW YOU ARE IN CAMP VERDE, RIGHT? HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE YOU TO GET FROM THERE TO JUST CAMP VERDE? WELL, I'M VERY FORTUNATE 'CAUSE I LIVE ON THIS END OF CAMP VERDE.

SO IT TAKES ME ABOUT 35 MINUTES AND I COME THROUGH PAGE SPRINGS.

MY COMMUTE IS AWESOME.

45 MINUTES IN THE WORLD.

45 MINUTES, MINUTES FOR YOU ON THE OTHER END.

45 MINUTES.

BUT MY POINT BEING IS THAT ONCE YOU GO BEHIND CAMP, THERE'S NO PLACE ELSE TO GO SOUTH UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA GO TO BLACK CANYON CITY.

AND NOT MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA COMMUTE THAT WAY OR TO FLAGSTAFF FOR THAT MATTER.

SO THAT'S WHY WHAT YOU SAID REALLY HITS HOME BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER OPTIONS.

SO WHILE IT WOULD BE NICE THAT PEOPLE, IF PEOPLE COULD LIVE IN SEDONA, LIVING IN THE VERDE VALLEY WOULD BE OKAY.

THAT'S NOT EVEN AN OPTION ANYMORE.

I CAN GIVE YOU A SUM NUMBER.

SO YOU CAN SEE ABOUT 20, UH, 3% OF OUR STAFF ACTUALLY LIVE HERE FULL-TIME.

UH, THAT ARE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES HERE IN THE VALLEY OF SEDONA THAT LIVE IN SEDONA.

OUT OF A HUNDRED AND SIXTY, SIXTY FIVE EMPLOYEES, UH, ABOUT 50 OF 'EM LIVE IN COTTONWOOD.

AND THEN YOU BREAK IT DOWN, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER 50 OR SO LIVE CAMP VERDE, CLARKDALE VILLE, RIM ROCK, THAT KIND OF, UH, AREA.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, SEVEN THAT LIVE IN FLAGSTAFF.

SO YOU STILL DO HAVE THAT.

AND THAT'S A LONG TIME.

THAT'S THE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES, RIGHT.

THAT ARE FULLY THERE.

UH, THE NUMBERS ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FOR ALL OF THE STAFF 'CAUSE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT TCAS AND LIFEGUARDS AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.

WHAT'S SEDONA NUMBER AGAIN? RUSS? 30

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EMPLOYEES CURRENTLY.

THAT'S ONE THOUGHT.

THIS IS, SO I, I, I WAITED TILL TODAY TO START TO PUT THESE TOGETHER.

I THOUGHT I'LL WAIT TILL TODAY.

THAT'S TODAY'S NUMBER.

38 EMPLOYEES TODAY CALL THEIR PRIMARY ADDRESS SEDONA.

SO DO YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.

UH, WHERE WERE THEY GONNA GO? JUST GO WITH THIS.

OH, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES HAVE WE LOST, IF ANY, TO OTHER, UH, CITIES OR TOWNS IN THE VERDE VALLEY? I KNOW TWO LIKE PLAINS, TWO IN MY YEAR.

OH, THAT'S NOT TOO BAD.

BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A BIG, ALL THE CITIES AND TOWNS ARE HAVING AN ISSUE WITH PLANNERS AND IN THAT WHOLE COM DEV DEPARTMENT, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WERE STEALING.

ARE WE STEALING FROM EACH OTHER? YEAH, NO.

AND THESE ARE IN, UM, VERY MODERATE INCOME.

THEY ARE NOT IN THE HIGH INCOME NUMBERS.

THEY'RE IN THE MODERATE RIGHT.

EMPLOYEE BASE THAT'S THERE.

SO IF THEY'RE COMPETITIVE AT THAT 25, 30 $5 AN HOUR RANGE, THEY'RE WINNING.

ALRIGHT, REAL QUICK, MOVE ON.

SO ONE OF THE COMMENTS YOU MADE HAS BEEN DISTRESSING ME AS I SIT HERE AND PONDER IT.

I'M SORRY, .

UH, NO, IT'S OKAY.

UM, YOU SAID THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY PEOPLE LEAVE IS BECAUSE EVEN IF THEY CAN FIND HOUSING HERE, THAT'S NOT THE HOUSING THAT THEY WANT AND SO THEY MOVE ELSEWHERE.

SO WE'RE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO, TO EITHER, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S IT'S BY A, A NAVAJO LOFTS, CONDOMINIUM OR TOWN HOME OR WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLING THEM, OR TO TALK TO SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE BUILDING INCOME, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SAY, HEY, WE'LL GUARANTEE THAT THE CITY WILL PICK UP.

I MEAN, WHATEVER THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.

I'M NOW FEELING LIKE IT'S NOT GONNA MATTER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THEY'RE GONNA SAY, I I, YEAH, I DON'T WANNA LIVE IN A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT OR A ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT.

YOU KNOW, I WANT 20 ACRES WITH, YOU KNOW, A, YOU KNOW, A 2000, YOU KNOW, SQUARE FOOT HOME.

AND I CAN GO DO THAT IF I GO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GO IN ARIZONA, BUT WHEREVER THEY'RE GONNA GO.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IS IT FUTILE FOR US TO BE, TO BE EVEN CONSIDERING THIS? WELL, LET, LET ME GIVE YOU TWO SIDES OF THAT COIN.

ONE SIDE IS THE INDIVIDUAL DIDN'T HAVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD GET WITH THE PRICE THEY PAID IN THE CITY.

SO THEY WERE, THEY LIVED HERE, BUT THEY COULDN'T AFFORD MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

SO THAT WAS ONE OF THEM.

THE REVERSE WAS THEY HAD ALL THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THEY HAD ALL THAT IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY AND THEY COULDN'T AFFORD IT.

BACK TO YOUR POINT, THEY COULDN'T AFFORD IT WITH THE JOB THAT THEY HAD TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THAT KIND OF RENTAL AT THE LARGER, IF YOU WILL, ACREAGE THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.

SO THEY TRIED IT, BUT THAT TOOK SO MUCH OF THEIR DISPOSABLE INCOME TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT RENTAL.

AND AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND IT'S A RENTAL 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A, YOU KNOW, RATIO TO DEAL WITH WITH A MORTGAGE.

THEY WERE JUST LIKE, IF THEY COULD AFFORD TO PAY THAT MONTHLY BILL, THEY WERE PAYING IT AND THEY GOT WHAT THEY WANTED, BUT THEY COULDN'T AFFORD THAT WITH THE WAGE AND THE CONSIDERATION SO THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO STAY.

SO IT, IT DOES MATTER.

IT CAN WORK.

BUT THERE, AND YOU TALKED ABOUT IT ALL THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, IS IF YOU'RE WILLING TO OPEN YOUR EYES TO THE IDEA THAT THE VALLEY ITSELF IS WHERE PEOPLE WANNA LOCATE AND THEY DON'T MIND COMMUTING A LITTLE BIT FOR 20 YEARS, THEN SEDONA WILL WIN THAT BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF PLACES YOU CAN PURCHASE AT ALL THOSE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF, OF, UH, AFFORDABILITY.

IT'S WORTH AT LEAST ATTEMPTING TO DO BECAUSE WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT SMALLER NUMBERS.

BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE CITY AT LARGE AND ALL OF YOUR EMPLOYERS AND ALL OF THEIR EMPLOYEE ISSUES, I, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S FUTILE, BUT IT DOES GET A LITTLE OVERWHELMING.

BUT I THINK AT LEAST FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE, AND I'D LIKE TO, UH, STAFF KNOWS I'M POLLYANNA, I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT WHATEVER WE COULD DO IN THOSE HANDFUL OF EXPERIENCES WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY.

I THINK COUNCILOR DUNN, YOU BRING UP A REALLY INSTRUCTIVE POINT, UH, JUST NOW AND IT LEADS ALSO, NOT TO REWIND TOO MUCH HERE, BUT TO LAND USE AND HOUSING OVERALL THAT WE TALK A LOT ABOUT, OH, WE SHOULD JUST PUT TINY HOMES ON THAT PARCEL OR WHATEVER.

MAN, TINY HOMES ARE NOT FOR EVERYBODY.

NO, THEY'RE NOT NOT EVEN REMOTELY.

AND AND WE TREAT THAT LIKE THAT IS AN ACCEPTABLE HOUSING FORM.

YOU KNOW, THEY EITHER HAVE A YOUNG FAMILY OR THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE A FAMILY AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANNA BE IN, YOU KNOW, A A UH, STUDIO APARTMENT AND RAISE A FAMILY.

AN ANSWER.

AND WE GOTTA BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE EXPERIENCE I'VE HAD VICARIOUSLY IS IT'S DEFINITELY NOT FOR EVERYBODY.

AND MOST FOLKS LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING OUT OF THEM SOONER THAN LATER.

I COULDN'T IMAGINE YOU STANDING UP IN ONE, ESPECIALLY AT SIX FOUR.

I'VE BEEN INSIDE OF, I MEAN, IT'S, YOU'LL BE CLOSE, BUT, BUT I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT RETIRED TO WORK IN OUR CITY AND TO BE ON OUR VARIOUS PARTS OF OUR STAFF.

AND

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SO THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON WHO WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT.

BUT, UM, I, I WAS TRYING TO BE POLLYANNA AND RIGHT NOW I'M, I'M FEELING LIKE A LITTLE BEATEN.

OH, WELL I WOULD JUST CHIME IN AND SAY DON'T FEEL BEAT UP.

UM, WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT DO LIVE IN CONDOS AND APARTMENTS AND ALL OF THOSE HOUSING TYPES.

SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO STEREOTYPE EVERYBODY IS WANTING, YOU KNOW, A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROPERTY.

THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CASE.

UM, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF A RECRUITMENT, UM, UH, TOOL IS THAT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF, UH, WE HAVE TO CAST A REALLY WIDE NET FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF JOBS.

AND TYPICALLY WE MAY BE BRINGING PEOPLE IN FROM OUT OF THE AREA FOR THESE NEW, FOR THESE POSITIONS AND OUR ABILITY TO SAY, HEY, WE HAVE A LANDING PLACE FOR YOU.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TRYING TO FIND A PLACE TO GET HERE.

WE HAVE A SPOT FOR YOU AND THEN YOU CAN GET SITUATED AND THEN KEEP LOOKING FOR LIKE WHATEVER YOU NEED.

AND SO I WAS THINKING OF THESE APARTMENTS OR WHATEVER WE MAY BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT IS NOT THE PERMANENT LOCATION FOR THE EMPLOYEE, BUT AS MORE OF THE TRANSITION TO WHEREVER ELSE THEY'RE GONNA ACTUALLY END UP LANDING.

BUT IT TAKES AWAY SO MUCH OF THAT RELOCATION STRESS, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD NEW EMPLOYEES RELOCATE HERE THAT HAVE HAD TO LIVE IN SHORT TERM RENTALS, WHICH IS SUPER EXPENSIVE UNTIL THEY COULD FIND SOMETHING.

SO I WOULD SAY DON'T FEEL BEAT UP ABOUT IT.

I THINK IT'S STILL VAL A VALID APPROACH THAT WE SHOULD EVALUATE AND SEE IF IT, IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK, UM, FOR THE RECRUITMENT TOOL SIDE OF IT.

UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT IT WOULD BE INTENDED TO PROVIDE A PERMANENT, UM, LOCATION FOR AN EMPLOYEE FOR AS LONG AS THEY WORK HERE.

THAT THAT WASN'T REALLY WHAT I WAS THINKING.

BUT MORE AS A TRANSITION TO WHEREVER THEY'RE EVENTUALLY GONNA LIVE.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE VACANCY RATE, BUT WHAT IS OUR, I'M SORRY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE TURNOVER RATE, BUT WHAT IS OUR CURRENT VACANCY RATE? YEAH, SO GREAT.

YOU HAVE CURRENT OPENINGS ARE UH, 13, SO ABOUT 10%, A LITTLE LESS THAN 10% OF YOUR UH, POSITIONS.

BUT KEEP IN MIND, SOME OF THESE ARE THE CONTINUATION OF EVEN JULY TRYING TO FIND SOME OF THESE POSITIONS.

OR DARE I EVEN SUGGEST AS YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PLANNING POSITION BEYOND THAT.

RIGHT? SO THAT INCLUSIVELY STATES THAT SOME ARE OFFICERS AND THE TOUGH PART OF THAT AND THE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IS AN ABSOLUTE PART OF THOSE JOBS IS IT'S NOT, I, WE HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE JUST GRADUATING, I THINK TODAY THAT OUR, OUR ADDRESS THAT WE HAVE ON THEM ISN'T SEDONA IS, IS FLORIDA IS PHOENIX.

BECAUSE THEY NEED THAT OPPORTUNITY.

AND I LITERALLY, I SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY DO THEY HAVE SOMETHING WHEN THEY GRADUATE TOMORROW.

IT'S THAT KIND OF THING.

SO I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR THAT TRANSITIONAL OPPORTUNITY AND ALL OF THESE AND, AND I SAY THIS, WHATEVER WE CAN COME UP WITH WILL BE ANOTHER TOOL IN THE SHED OF AT LEAST GETTING SOMEONE TO LOOK AT OUR JOBS WHEREVER THE NET MAY GO.

SO AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE RIGHT SPACE, THE TRANSITION AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME LIVE HERE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND TRY TO FIND SOMETHING TO GET THE TALENT THAT MIGHT COME OUT OF THAT, AT LEAST FOR ME, WOULD BE WORTH THE EFFORT.

I THINK, UH, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT.

YEAH, TRANSITIONAL IS KIND OF HOW I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT AS WELL.

IF WE'RE TRYING TO ACQUIRE PROPERTIES FOR TWO REASONS REALLY, ONE, WE'RE NOT A BIG COMMUNITY AND THE SORT OF, THE STOCK ISN'T BIG AND IT DOESN'T TURN OVER AS MUCH AS OTHER PLACES.

SO FINDING THAT PLACE IS CHALLENGING JUST BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF OUR COMMUNITY ONE AND TWO MORE SO THAN OTHER PLACES.

I THINK I'VE BEEN IN THE PAST, THERE'S KIND OF A INFORMAL VIBEY .

I'VE GOT A PLACE THAT I SHARE WITH OTHER FOLKS, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA BE IN MY COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA BE IN MY CIRCLE TO BEFORE YOU FIND OUT ABOUT IT.

AND SO GIVEN SOME PE PEOPLE, TIME TO FIND THAT.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO UH SAY WAS THAT WE DO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT NOT BRINGING OUR VALUES, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MORE CHANNEL OUR YOUNGER SELVES IN WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR WHEN WE WERE YOUNG AND TRYING TO GET OUR, OUR EARLIER JOBS.

AND THEN, UH, BUT I DID WANNA ASK RUSS, AND YOU MAY NOT HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, BUT FOR OUR, YOU KNOW, NEW EMPLOYEES, KIND OF HOW MANY OF THEM ARE PERHAPS MARRIED OR HAVE FAMILIES AND HOW MANY OF 'EM ARE REALLY SINGLE? DO WE HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHAT THAT IS?

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I DON'T.

JUST ANECDOTALLY, IT'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT, UM, BACK TO, I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY RETIRED, BUT THEY'RE POST KIDS.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S A RED TRUCK FOR ME 'CAUSE I'M POST KIDS, RIGHT? SO I SEE A LOT OF RED TRUCKS AND I GO, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

SO THAT COULD BE SKEWED IN REAL NUMBERS, BUT I DO SEE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT LOOK AT OUR SITUATION AND BACK TO THE FLEXIBILITY, IF YOU GET DEEPER INTO SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS, I'M SORRY, BUT THE EMPLOYEES REFLECT ON THE FOUR DAY WEEK, RIGHT? SO 10 HOURS IS AN AWESOME OPPORTUNITY UNTIL YOU'RE TRYING TO RAISE A FAMILY AND BE THERE FOR THOSE FAMILY ACTIVITIES EARLY MORNING, LATE EVENING, RIGHT? SO WHAT I'M FINDING IN SOME OF THOSE EXIT INTERVIEWS AS WELL, AND SOME OF THE FEEDBACK IS THE FLEXIBILITY THAT WE WOULD OFFER OUR EMPLOYEES FOR THOSE SITUATIONS, WORKING FIVE DAYS A WEEK ISN'T THAT BIG OF A DEAL FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO WANT THAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE PART OF A YOUNG FAMILY.

SO THERE IS THAT CONVERSATION ONGOING.

SO I DON'T KNOW THE STATISTICS, BUT I DO KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY CHOOSE THAT THEY FINALLY GO, OKAY, I'VE DONE ALL THOSE THINGS.

THAT FOUR DAY GIVES ME THE THREE DAY AND THEY'RE IN THE POSITION THAT FRANKLY I AM.

WHERE THAT'S VERY VALUABLE EVEN IF I HAVE A LONG DAY.

SO WHAT I GOT THOSE THREE DAYS OFF, I DON'T HAVE TO COMMUTE ALL THAT.

AND AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THINGS YOU'RE WINNING ON, RIGHT? BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE WINS, THERE'S ALSO THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE THINGS THAT THOSE WINS MEAN FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY SEEING THOSE BENEFICIALLY.

AND IN THOSE H THOSE HOMES THAT YOU HAVE KIDS IN THAT FOUR DAY 10 ISN'T NECESSARILY ALL WHAT IT'S CRACKED UP TO BE FOR SOME OF THOSE ENVIRONMENTS THEY'RE COMING FROM.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY THOUGHT THAT WE ARE KIND OF A, A DUMB A, A DUMBBELL DISTRIBUTION.

AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE ATTRACT THAT A LOT OF, SOME OF THE FOLKS, MANY OF THE FOLKS DRIVE THE SAME RED TRUCK YOU DO, RIGHT? YEAH.

YOU TALKED ABOUT THEIR SORT OF LATER CAREER AND THEY COME HERE BECAUSE MAYBE THEY CAN NOW AFFORD TO OR WHATEVER.

AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THE DUMBBELL IS THE YOUNG FOLKS I THINK ARE ALSO ATTRACTED TO SEDONA AND AN OPPORTUNITY AND THEY GET YEAH, IT'S TOUGH.

SURPRISED BY THE REALITY OF, OF WHAT WORK IS.

SO WE HAVE TO YEAH.

THINK ABOUT AC ACTUALLY WHO IS COMING TO WORK ALL THE TIME.

VERY TRUE.

ALRIGHT, UH, WE'LL DO THE VICE MAYOR AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.

SO KATHY AND I WENT UP TO FLAGSTAFF TO VISIT A, WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS A TINY HOME COMMUNITY.

AND IT SORT OF IS AND IT SORT OF ISN'T.

UH, AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THAT WE LEARNED WHEN WE WERE THERE THAT TINY HOMES ARE ABOUT 200 SQUARE FEET.

THAT'S THE DEFINITION.

THEY HAD TWO OF THOSE, THE REST OF THEM.

AND THERE MIGHT BE A DOZEN, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

WERE 400, 500 SQUARE FEET.

THERE WAS, THERE WERE TWO, THERE WERE LIKE 700 SOMETHING.

THEY WERE REALLY NICE.

AND WE ASKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHO LIVES HERE AND IT WAS A COMBINATION OF RETIREES WHO WERE DOWNSIZING AND YOUNG FAMILIES AND ALSO SOME THAT IT WAS A SECOND HOME FOR THEM.

AND THEY WERE LIVING DOWN IN THE VALLEY AND WANTED TO COME UP TO SKI OR TO ESCAPE THE HEAT IN THE SUMMER.

SO TINY HOMES AND SMALL, TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S A BIG LIKE AN A DU OR LIKE WHATEVER, THERE'S A BIG RISK OF IT BECOMING A, A VACANT HOME OR A-S-R-S-C-R.

WELL MY POINT THOUGH WAS NOT THE NEGATIVE, MY POINT WAS THE POSITIVE, WHICH WAS THAT THEY WERE SPACIOUS.

THEY WERE SPACIOUS, THEY WERE, WHAT ARE THEY CALLED IF THEY'RE NOT THE TINY HOMES? SMALL HOMES.

SMALL HOMES.

SMALL.

AND THEY WERE, AND THEY WERE VERY NICELY APPOINTED AND THEY WERE NOT EXPENSIVE AND THEY WERE, UH, FULL.

AND, AND THERE WERE ONLY TWO OF THEM THAT WERE REALLY SMALL.

SMALL.

BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN WE SAY TINY, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DEFINE IT BECAUSE A SMALLER, UH, 400, 500, 600 SQUARE FEET, WE HAD TWO BEDROOMS, RIGHT? YEAH.

IT'S, IT IS.

AND THEY WERE, AND THEY HAD SOME GRASS AND THEY HAD A PATIO.

THEY WERE NICE.

SO WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE GETTING TO BE FOUR 50 TO 700 SQUARE FEET, YOU'RE ACTUALLY EMULATING THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE AS AS AN APARTMENT, BUT BETWEEN A STUDIO AND, UM, A ONE BEDROOM, WHICH IF YOU BUILD A QUADPLEX, IT'S ACTUALLY CHEAPER TO BUILD A QUADPLEX YES.

THAN TO HAVE FOUR SMALL HOMES.

UH, AS A RESULT, YOU'LL HAVE A CONSULTANT WHO WILL BE HERE THAT DOES THIS WITHIN THE, UH, THEY'RE ACTUALLY AN IN-STATE CONSULTANT, BUT THEY DO THINGS NATIONWIDE, UH, IN THIS AND DID THE LAST ONE.

BUT SOME PEOPLE WANNA LIVE IN, YOU KNOW.

ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE ALONG.

AND UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE TO GO, RUSS? YEAH, JUST THE CLASS AND COMP STUDY, WHICH IS ALWAYS, NOW IT'S DOWN TO THE MONEY, RIGHT? SO OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE'RE HOPING TO DO MAYBE EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS IF YOU, THE EMPLOYEES LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW THAT WHATEVER WE END UP WITH IS AT LEAST COMPARED TO MARKET, THAT ALSO HELPS WITH THE RETENTION.

SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU MAKE THAT INVESTMENT FOR THOSE KINDS OF STUDIES.

IT HELPS JUSTIFY WHAT THE WAGE THEY MAY BE RECEIVING.

SO IT'S WORTH THE EFFORT.

AND OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, AS IT LEADS INTO THE BUDGET, THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT YOU'LL BE GETTING.

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BUT WE'VE EXPANDED THAT.

SO THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

I'LL, I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH SOMETHING THAT'S RELATIVE TO WHAT WE'VE, YOU, YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE SENIOR PLANNER ALL DAY LONG AND HOW DO WE GET THERE? ? AND THEY'RE INTERVIEWING AT LEAST THREE CANDIDATES, UH, RIGHT NOW.

SO HOPEFULLY THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL IF FIRE, UH, AS WE SPEAK.

BUT I'LL JUST GIVE YOU WHAT IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IN CONCERT WITH THIS.

UM, WHEN YOU GO ON THE A PA, OUR OWN ARIZONA, THAT WE ADVERTISE TO FIND THOSE PEOPLE, YOU CAN APPLY FOR A JOB IN SEDONA THAT STARTS AT 67,000 AND THE ENDING IS 97,000 FOR A SENIOR PLANNER.

OR YOU CAN APPLY IN QUEEN CREEK WHERE THE STARTING WAGE IS 94,000 AND YOU HAVE ALL OF THE HOUSING OPTIONS, RIGHT? STARTING WAGE IN 94.

OUR TOP END IS 97 ON THAT SAME, NOW YOU SAY, OKAY, RUSS, THAT'S AN OUTLIER.

TEMPE PRINCIPLE PLANNER, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE, RIGHT? THIS IS SIMILAR TO A SENIOR PLANNER AND THERE'S NUANCES, BUT TO THE POINT, THE STARTING WAGE IN TEMPE IS 98,000.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA COME AS A RESULT OF THIS, IT'S GONNA BE SHOCKING.

IT'S GONNA HAVE THOSE HEADLINE ISH KIND OF RESULTS.

NOT IN EVERY JOB, BUT THIS JUST GIVES YOU ONE THAT'S VERY COMPETITIVE ACROSS THE SYSTEM, ACROSS THE STATE, ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

UM, AND AS A BACHELOR DEGREE PLANNER, IT'S REALLY KIND OF COOL TO SEE FINALLY GETTING SOME, SOME HAY COMING THE WAY.

BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS IS YOU GO, OKAY, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S THE VALLEY, RIGHT ON THAT SAME WEBSITE, YOU CAN GO TO LEEWOOD, KANSAS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS, BUT IT'S A SUBURB OF KANSAS CITY.

HOW MANY HOUSING OPTIONS DO YOU HAVE THERE? THEIR STARTING WAGE FOR A SENIOR PLANNER TODAY, 72,000.

SO IT'S ALREADY $5,000 AS A STARTING WAGE IN KANSAS.

WITH ALL THOSE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES ABOVE OUR STARTING WAGE FOR SENIOR PLANNER, THERE'S GONNA BE WORK TO BE DONE.

THIS IS GONNA SHOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH, IT'S GONNA BE EXPENSIVE.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME OF THESE, IF YOU WILL, MID-LEVEL JOBS THAT YOU WOULDN'T THINK WOULD BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND THAT THEY TRY TO SUGGEST AS EXECUTIVE.

IT'S NOT AN EXECUTIVE WAGE ANYMORE, IT'S A WAGE.

THAT'S PART OF WHAT IT TAKES TO BRING THOSE KIND OF TALENT IN.

RUSS.

SEEMS YOU NEED TO SPEND MORE TIME WITH OUR TOURISM PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S SEDONA , WHAT ANOTHER JOB? WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY, I CAME HERE FOR THE, NO, ACTUALLY I CAME HERE 'CAUSE I LIKE HR SO MUCH.

DON'T JOKE ABOUT THAT.

BUT THE REALITY OF, I, I KNEW IF I COULDN'T FIND AN HR JOB, I COULD ALWAYS FIND A PLANNING JOB.

BUT TO THE POINT I FIGURED I'D HAVE TO LIVE DOWN THERE AND IT'S HOT.

I WASN'T TOO EXCITED ABOUT REMAINING THERE.

SO I'M GLAD I'M HERE AND I'M GLAD I'M DOING WHAT I'M DOING.

THANK YOU RUSS.

UH, NEXT WOULD BE CHIEF FOLEY, I BELIEVE TRAFFIC LITIGATION, SINCE I SEE THE CHIEF AND DEPUTY CHIEF HERE AGAIN.

SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING AT, AT THIS POINT IS TRANSITIONING TO, UH, WHAT WE PREVIEWED AT, UM, YESTERDAY MORNING, THE HIGHLIGHTED AREAS THAT STAFF INTERNALLY AT IDENTIFIED AS, UM, POSSIBLE, UH, PRIORITIES FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE KNOW IN REALITY IN OUR JOBS.

UM, SO WE DID NOT TOUCH ON AT ALL, YOU KNOW, CITY CLERK OTHER THAN SHORT TERM RENTALS, THE LEGAL OFFICE FINANCE IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE SUPPORT OPERATIONS AT ALL, BUT WE WEREN'T PLANNING TO GO INTO LIKE A BUNCH OF DETAIL ON THOSE, UM, UNDER GOOD, GOOD GOVERNANCE.

SO I DO WANNA JUST PAUSE FOR A SECOND AND MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS, YOU COULD ASK BEFORE WE GET INTO THE, UM, SORT OF STAFF IDENTIFIED PRIORITY AREAS.

SO I JUST HAVE A BRIEF QUESTION.

SO, UM, IT KIND OF COVERS MOST OF, OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS IS ABOUT THE ERP.

I GUESS, UH, A BIT, IT'S TAKEN LONGER THAN, THAN WE ANTICIPATED, BUT A LOT OF THAT HAD TO DO WITH SOME UNANTICIPATED, UH, CHANGES IN STAFF AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND CRITICAL STAFF TO THIS EFFORT.

SO HOW, HOW ARE WE DOING ON THE ERP? WHERE ARE WE, ARE WE MOVING ALONG AT THE RATE WE EXPECTED TO BE MOVING ALONG? ARE WE FINDING ISSUES WE DIDN'T EXPECT TO FIND? I MEAN, HOW, HOW ARE WE DOING? 'CAUSE WHEN MY VERY FIRST PRIORITIES, THIS WAS A BURNING PLATFORM.

SO HOW ARE WE, HOW ARE WE GOING ANDY? SO WE JUST WRAPPED UP OUR EVALUATIONS HERE, OUR PRELIMINARY EVALUATIONS HERE RECENTLY.

WE ARE DOING SOME FURTHER, UM, INVESTIGATION INTO OPTIONS AND THINGS, BUT SHOULD HAVE OUR TOP ERP, UM, SOFTWARE CONSULTANT, UH, SELECTED HERE VERY, VERY SOON.

AND, UH, AS FAR AS, IS THAT ON TIME OR NOT? WE ARE,

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AND SO, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, I DIDN'T INTEND TO BE THE LEAD ON THAT, ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT THAT'S HOW IT TURNED OUT.

AND I'M, I'M KIND OF GLAD THAT I'VE, I'VE BEEN, UH, HELPING IN THAT ROLE.

BUT BARBARA AND UH, IAN AND THEIR OTHER FINANCE STAFF HAVE BEEN SUPER HELPFUL IN, IN, UH, GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

WE ARE IN A GOOD PLACE NOW.

I FEEL LIKE WE DID HAVE SOME GOOD OPTIONS THAT WE EVALUATED AND, UM, LIKE I SAID, SOON WE'LL HAVE THAT TOP PICKED, PLACED AND READY TO REPORT ON.

AND WHEN THAT'S, UM, DETERMINED, THEN WE'LL HAVE LIKE THIS SCHEDULE OF LIKE WHAT THE IMPLEMENTATION'S REALLY GONNA LOOK LIKE AND OVER WHAT PERIOD AND WHAT MODULES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO YEAH.

SO ALONG THE LINES OF THE MODULES, UM, I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO ALL OF YOUR ATTENTIONS AROUND THE, UM, WELL IAN'S SITTING RIGHT THERE.

SO AROUND THE IDEA OF THE, THE TOWN HALL OR THE SURVEYS IN THE MEETINGS, SORT OF BEING PART OF OUR ERP SO THAT IT WOULD BE EASY FOR US TO, TO SET THEM UP, IT'D BE EASY FOR US TO GET THE INFORMATION BACK IN AND THEN DISTRIBUTE IT, ANALYZE IT, AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH IT APPROPRIATELY.

UM, AND THAT ORIGINALLY, AS FAR AS I RECALL, WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AS BEING A MODULE, UH, OF INTEREST.

BUT IT, IT JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO THROW OUT THERE THAT AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, UM, TO SORT OF SEE WHETHER OR NOT THAT KIND OF OF MODULE OR SERVICE IS AVAILABLE, HOWEVER YOU DECIDE TO DO IT.

SO, UM, I THINK, I THINK SEVERAL OF US HERE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A BIG ERP IMPLEMENTATION IN OTHER PLACES.

AND, UM, WHAT I'LL SAY ABOUT THAT IS THIS IS GOING TO DRIVE ORGANIZATIONAL CULTURAL CHANGE.

UM, THIS WILL CHANGE HOW WE DO OUR INTERNAL BUSINESS.

UM, IT WILL CHANGE ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE VERY TRANSFORMATIONAL IN MY OPINION OR BASED ON, YOU KNOW, MY EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST.

AND IT DOES CAUSE YOU TO LOOK AT HOW ARE WE DOING OTHER THINGS DIFFERENTLY OR BETTER.

AND SO OF COURSE THAT'S, UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS. THERE'S GONNA BE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT, UM, MAYBE WEREN'T SPECIFICALLY ABOUT A FINANCE PACKAGE OR AN HR PACKAGE OR WHATEVER, BUT IT WILL DRIVE INNOVATION IN OTHER AREAS AS WELL AND HELP US, UM, MODERNIZE ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

SO I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A HUGE BENEFIT TO THE CITY.

AND ANNETTE, CAN YOU BRIEFLY GO OVER THE TRANSPARENCY COMPONENT FOR PUBLIC RECORDS THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THAT WITH A MORE OF A, UM, I'M CI HAPPY TO HAVE, UM, OUR CITY CLERK SPEAK TO THAT.

SO THAT IS AN EFFORT THAT'S ALREADY UNDERWAY.

THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE ERP.

I THOUGHT IT WAS PART OF THE SAME UPDATE ON YOUR PUBLIC RECORDS.

, WE HAVE THE SOFTWARE, UM, DAVID, OUR RECORDS CLERK IS, UM, WORKING WITH, UM, ALSO THE, UH, WE HAVE A PORTAL FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UM, DAVID IS WORKING WITH STAFF AND ALSO WORKING WITH THE SOFTWARE COMPANY.

HE'S GETTING IT ALL SET UP AND THEN HE WILL BE LAUNCHING THAT AND TRAINING STAFF HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

DID, DID YOU HAVE YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED? CLOSE ENOUGH.

HYBRID POSITION MIGHT LOOK AT TO ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE STR COMPLIANCE.

I I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IN ANY OF IN FINANCE OR THE CLERK'S OFFICE OR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, CITY ATTORNEY, UM, THAT WE SHOULD, IT IS A BIG ASK OR A BIG CHANGE OR SOMETHING THAT IS DESPERATELY NEEDED? HMM.

YOU MEAN FROM A WORKFLOW PERSPECTIVE OR THAT YOU'RE TALKING IN RELATION TO THE ERP? NO, I'M TALKING.

OH, JUST IN GENERAL.

JUST TOTALLY GENERALLY FOR THESE, YEAH.

DO YOU HAVE THINGS IN NOT ANYTHING FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, GIVEN THE LARGE NUMBER OF LITIGATION, UH, EVENTS GOING ON, WE MIGHT BE ASKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THAT, IN THAT BUDGET.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, , I'D SAY THE ONLY OTHER, OH, GO AHEAD.

SORRY.

UM, THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS, UH, BETWEEN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AND THE CODE ENFORCEMENT WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, SIDE OF THINGS FOR, WE'RE JUST EXPLORING WHAT A TYPE OF

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THAT WOULD SIT WHERE, UM, IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND CODE ENFORCEMENT.

BUT YEAH, IT WOULD BE, THAT'S THE HYBRID.

IT WOULD BE ALLOCATED, UM, BETWEEN WHAT THOSE DUTIES ARE IN EACH DEPARTMENT, BUT THEY WOULD BE HOUSED IN THE CLERK'S DEPARTMENT.

LET'S, GOOD FINANCE.

FINANCE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANY IMMEDIATE NEEDS OTHER THAN THE HVAC, BUT THAT'S EVERYBODY'S NEED.

AS YOU KNOW, FROM ME FREEZING TO DEATH AND YET SOME OF MY EMPLOYEES LIKE ARE BURNING UP.

SO, BUT THAT'S AN OVERARCHING THING.

UM, I THINK THE THING THAT I CAN THINK OF FOR GOOD GOVERNANCE OFFHAND IS THE MUNICIPAL COURT SPACE STILL NEEDS SOME ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENT.

UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY AND I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ESTIMATES FOR WHAT THEY NEED, BUT THEY DO STILL NEED SOME MODIFICATIONS TO MAKE THAT MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE LOCATION OF THE COURT.

GOOD.

UH, CHIEF, YOU READY TO GO? I AM.

SO I'LL, I'LL GO TO THIS SLIDE.

UM, FIRST THAT JUST GOES THROUGH SOME OF OUR TRAFFIC TYPE UPDATES AS FAR AS, UM, WHERE WE ENDED LAST YEAR.

SO IT IS THE FISCAL YEAR NUMBERS THAT ARE ON HERE.

I ALSO JUST RAN THE NUMBERS AS OF TODAY TO WHERE WE ARE.

SO IF YOU WANTED TO DO A COMPARISON TO WHERE WE ARE MID-YEAR, UM, WELL A LITTLE LESS THAN MID-YEAR, BUT, UH, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, AND I WON'T READ THOSE NUMBERS THAT ARE UP ON THE SCREEN TO YOU NECESSARILY, BUT, UM, THE TRAFFIC CITATIONS, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE ENDED LA LAST YEAR.

UH, THE END OF JUNE WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS 921.

UH, CITATIONS WITH WRITTEN WARNINGS.

WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 1,311 OF NON-INJURY COLLISIONS.

WE'RE AT ABOUT A HUNDRED WITH UH, INJURY COLLISIONS.

WE'RE AT 25 AND WITH TRAILHEAD AND UPTOWN PARKING CITATIONS, WE ARE AT 2,375 RIGHT NOW.

WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT JACK ROSS? HUH? UH, HE'S ONLY BEEN GONE FOR ONE WEEK.

I KNOW, BUT THEY CAN ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE INCREASE WAS THE NEW POSITION THAT WAS ALLOTTED FOR CSO AND WE DID GAIN ANOTHER CSA AND WE'VE JUST BEEN VERY ACTIVE AND VERY BUSY WITH COMPLAINTS AND OTHER AREAS THAT WERE GOING FOR DIFFERENT TRAIL HEADS.

SO SOME OF THESE NUMBERS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PRIMARY FUNCTIONS ARE WITHIN OUR MOTORS AND OUR, OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS AND COMMUNITY SERVICE AIDES.

BUT WHEN NUMBERS ARE LOW AND WE HAVE AREAS LIKE I HAD EXPRESSED WITH DRY CREEK THAT RECENTLY WE TOWED VEHICLES, THEY WERE PARKED EVERYWHERE.

OFFICERS ALSO GO AND HELP DURING THAT TIME.

SO SOME OF THESE CITATIONS, UM, GO INTO THOSE NUMBERS AS WELL.

SO ON THAT NOTE OF, UH, DRY CREEK, I SAW SOME PHOTOS AT THE LAST HOLIDAY TIME WITH THE, WITH THE BOULDERS ON THE ROAD.

PEOPLE ARE STILL PARKING IN THE ROAD AND EVIDENTLY YOUR, YOUR OFFICERS WERE REALLY GOOD WITH ENFORCEMENT, BUT PEOPLE ARE STILL PARKING ON THE ROAD.

SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT? 'CAUSE THAT'S A HUGE SAFETY ISSUE.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD REVISIT SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD BEFORE WHERE WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA USE BOOTS, RIGHT? BECAUSE BOOTS WILL JUST KEEP THE CAR THERE.

BUT WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE WE WANNA LOOK AT IT WHERE MAYBE IT'S THE BOOT IDEA, BUT IT'S WITH THE WINDSHIELD TYPE BOOT.

I DON'T KNOW.

OH YEAH.

ANYTHING BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE WILL LIVE WITH THAT CITATION AND GO ON THEIR HIKE FOR FIVE HOURS, RIGHT? WHEN WE'RE TOWING VEHICLES OR YOU KNOW, ESCALATING IT, THEN THAT SEEMS TO BE MORE WHERE WE'RE GETTING COMPLIANCE.

HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO THOSE THEN IT'S REQUIRING ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO PUT IT ON OR TO BE AVAILABLE TO REMOVE OR SITTING THERE WAITING FOR THE TOW TRUCK TO COME AND THEY CAN ONLY TOW, SOMETIMES THEY CAN TOW UP TO TWO VEHICLES IN THEIR ONE STOP, BUT NOW YOU'RE ROTATING IN VEHICLES, UM, WITH THE TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY IN TOWN.

SO IT, YOU KNOW, UM, OUR, OUR BEST ENFORCEMENT AND COMPLIANCE IS WHEN PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE AND THEY SEE ONE VEHICLE GETTING TOWED, THE REST COME RUNNING.

UH, CHIEF IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT THIS SIDE OF THE OF THE DAY MUST BE SMARTER THAN THIS SIDE BECAUSE WE ALL LOOKED AT EACH OTHER AND SAID, WHAT'S A WINDSHIELD BOOT? .

OH.

SO IT'S JUST, AND THEN WE WERE SURMISING THAT MAYBE YOU PUT YOUR FOOT THROUGH THE WINDSHIELD.

I DON'T KNOW.

YOU HAVE TO THEN GO PUT IT IN.

UM, NO, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE ANOTHER CALL FOR SERVICE CALLED CRIMINAL DAMAGE.

BUT, UM, NO, ACTUALLY WHAT IT IS IS IT'S THIS DEVICE THAT OPENS UP AND IT SITS ON YOUR WINDSHIELD SO YOU CAN'T DRIVE OFF 'CAUSE YOU COULDN'T SEE.

SO THEN, UM, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE SOMEBODY TO COME REMOVE IT.

YOU CAN REMOVE IT YOURSELF BY INSERTING A CREDIT CARD INTO IT AND THEN YOU'RE PAYING FOR YOUR FEE AND THEN THERE'S A, A WINDSHIELD BOOT DROP LOCATION THAT

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AND THEN WHEN YOU DROP IT, THEN YOU KNOW, IT TAKES YOU OFF THE LIST TOO.

IF YOU, IF YOU NEVER DROP IT AND YOU KEEP IT, THEN THEY ALREADY HAVE YOUR CREDIT CARD INFORMATION AND YOU'RE GONNA PAY FOR THE BOOT.

AH.

SO IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT WAY THAT THEY'RE COMING OUT IN COMMUNITIES NOW WHEN WE THINK OF THE BOOT THAT GOES ON THE TIRE.

AND WITH THOSE THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME OUT AND BE ABLE TO REMOVE THEM AND THAT'S WHERE, UH, HEAVIER LIFT COMES FROM.

BUT WHEN YOU USE THOSE AND THERE'S SO MANY MORE, I'M JUST USING ONE THAT I SAW THAT I WAS LIKE, THAT'S COOL.

UM, I SAW IT TOO.

THAT I WAS LIKE, OH OKAY.

UM, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S SO MANY OTHER THINGS.

SO WHEN YOU PUT THAT WINDSHIELD ONE ON, RIGHT, AND, AND THAT WOULD STILL BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO CARRY FOR, FOR, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PUT ON THE VEHICLES.

BUT WHEN YOU PUT THAT, IT'S NOW LOCKED ON THE WINDSHIELD SO YOU CAN'T DRIVE OFF CHIEF.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU'RE GONNA SEE, WILL PEOPLE DRIVING PAST THOSE CARS ACTUALLY SEE IT ON THE WINDSHIELD AS OPPOSED TO A BIG BOOT THAT'S ON THAT TIRE.

AND I'M NOT GONNA PARK THERE IN THOSE 12 OTHER EMPTY SPOTS 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA GET BOOTED.

IT MAY BE MORE VISIBLE AND MORE OF A DETERRENT, BUT I WANNA GET THE CARS OUT OF THERE AND IT'S A HUGE SAFETY ISSUE.

I I, IT DEPENDS ON WHICH WAY WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY GET AT THE, THE MAIN PROBLEM AND HURDLE OF THESE PARKING AND THEN ALSO WHAT IT'S CREATING AS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL FOR COLLISIONS AND CONGESTION.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES WITH IT AND WE'RE, WE'RE STRAINING OUR RESOURCES WHEN WE'RE PUTTING MORE PEOPLE TO IT.

BECAUSE THEN THAT MEANS THAT'S LESS WHAT WE CAN RESPOND TO AS FAR AS OTHER ISSUES WITHIN THE CITY.

SO IF WE HAVE THAT NOW OUR RESOURCES ARE GOING DOWN DRY CREEK OR THEY'RE GOING TO BACKHOE BEYOND OR THEY'RE GOING TO SOLDIERS PASS AND NOW WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED RATHER THAN BEING ABLE TO STRETCH OVER THE ENTIRE CITY.

AND THAT IS OUR GOALS 'CAUSE IT LESSENS OUR RESPONSE TIMES AND IT'S HARDER TO GET DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, CHAPEL ROAD IF WE'RE ALSO IN THE TRAFFIC AND IT DOESN'T MERIT LIGHTS AND SIRENS TO GET THERE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GET TO THE LEVEL OF CALL THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT THEN WE'RE JUST SITTING IN THAT TRAFFIC FLOW AS WELL.

GOTCHA.

TO GET TO PROBLEMS. BRIAN.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

SO YESTERDAY WE HEARD JOSH FREEMAN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP FOR RENTING UM, EQUIPMENT AT THE PARK AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE WE SPLIT REVENUE 50 50 WITH A THIRD PARTY.

THIS SCREAMS PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TO LET A THIRD PARTY GO OUT AND BE SEARCHING FOR NON-COMPLIANCE OF PARKING AND LET THEM DEAL WITH ALL OF THAT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOME PENNIES, NICKELS AND DIMES COME BACK TO THE CITY.

CAN WE NOT DO THAT? BY THE WAY, THAT WAS MY POST COUNCIL JOB.

I ALREADY HAD THAT ONE ALL PICKED OUT DOING, BY THE WAY, THE BOOTS CAN DO THAT TOO, THAT ARE NOW AUTOMATED.

BUT IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE SQUID, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S BRIGHT YELLOW, THE ONE I SAW.

YOU CAN'T MISS IT.

SO IT'S EITHER ONE WOULD DO, BUT, BUT YEAH.

BUT CAN WE PRINT ALL RESPONSIBLE TOURISM MESSAGES ON, ON THIS , BUT, BUT I AGREE THIS JUST SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COULD INVESTIGATE WITH WITH ANOTHER COMPANY TO SORT OF DO.

'CAUSE IT'S ALL AUTOMATED AND IT CAN BE MONITORED AND YOU CAN SPLIT THE MONITORING SO THE POLICE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, TIE INTO THE DATA THAT THEY HAVE.

UM, AND, AND THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPANIES THAT DO IT.

UM, LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS GONNA BE MY RETIREMENT FROM COUNCIL JOB WAS RUNNING ONE OF THESE, BUT YOU KNOW, SO BE IT.

WE'LL DO IT BEFORE THEN, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT PRIVATIZING THE GOING OUT AND SEEKING GET THAT COMPANIES DO THAT.

YEAH, YEAH.

SO THAT WE'RE NOT DISTRACTING OUR RESOURCES FOR MORE IMPORTANT POLICING OPERATIONS.

SO CAN WE DO THAT KURT? I YES, IT'S POSSIBLE.

WE JUST NEED TO HAVE A PARTNER AND THOSE, THEY HAVE NOT COME FORWARD YET.

AND I THINK WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF LOOKING BEFORE.

NO, I'M, I THINK, I THINK IF YOU PUT AN RFP TOGETHER, I THINK YOU'D HAVE PEOPLE WOULD INSTANTLY FORM AN LLC TO, TO GO INTO BUSINESS TO DO THIS .

SO WE UM, I'LL JUST PETE THROW A LITTLE REMINDER OUT THAT, UM, OUR NEW PARKING MANAGER IS DEFINING OR DESIGNING, YOU KNOW, AN ENFORCEMENT POLICY AND PRACTICE THEN COORDINATION WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HOW THAT'S GONNA LOOK MOVING FORWARD WITH THE WHOLE PARKING PROGRAM.

SO I'M SURE EVALUATING THESE OTHER TOOLS AND THINGS WILL BE PART OF THAT.

BUT WE WILL BE HAVING ANOTHER MORE FORMALIZED ROUND OF HOW ARE WE DOING PARKING ENFORCEMENT NOW THAT WE HAVE A PARKING MANAGER AS WELL.

I THINK ACTUALLY DEREK'S ON TOPIC.

I'LL, I'M GONNA DRIFT A LITTLE BIT.

THEY CAME HERE SPECIFICALLY TO GO DO THE ACTIVITY THEY WANT AND THEY'RE NOT FINDING PARKING, THEY'RE PROBABLY DOING THEIR OWN, UM, RISK ASSESSMENT ON WHAT THEY THEY WANNA SPEND.

UM, SO QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF.

IF PEOPLE PULL UP TO THESE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE PARKING ILLEGALLY AND THEY SEE A CAR WITH A BIG BRIGHT ORANGE BOOT ON IT, ARE THEY GONNA KEEP DRIVING? GENERALLY? YOU KNOW, I, I THINK ALL YOU'RE DOING IS LESSENING THE PROBLEM.

I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET RID OF IT.

SO SOME WOULD STILL PROBABLY THE SAME WAY THEY'RE FACTORING IN IT'S OKAY TO GET THE CITATION AND JUST PAY THAT.

THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA FACTOR THAT IN AS WELL.

UNFORTUNATELY, IF

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UM, SO I THINK IT CAN BE A DETERRENT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA SOLVE THE PROBLEM SOLELY BECAUSE I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF THE EBAY BOOT.

JUST SLAP IT ON AND USE IT AS A DETERRENT AND PUT A BIG STICKER AND THEY MAKE, UH, THOSE ILLEGAL PARKING STICKERS THAT YOU CAN'T GET OFF YOUR WINDSHIELD.

THEY MAKE CLING STICKERS THAT ACTUALLY DON'T ADHERE.

SO AGAIN, PUT A, PUT MY CAR OUT THERE, PUT A EMPLOYEE CAR OUT THERE WITH A BOOT WITH A STICKER ON THE WINDOW AND LET PEOPLE SEE IT.

I MEAN WE COULD ALWAYS DO A DECO, WE DON'T NEED A PROGRAM.

THOSE FOR OTHER THINGS DON NEED, WE DON'T NEED A VENDOR.

WE DON'T NEED A PROGRAM.

WE JUST GET THE, OH, I DON'T WANT MY CAR TO GET BOOTED.

SO WHO'S NEXT RESIDENT? PETE.

PETE, I'M I'M, I'M GONNA GO DEAD SIR.

OFF THIS TOPIC.

WE'VE, THIS IS A GOOD HORSE.

IT'S NOW DEAD.

I WANTED TO GO BACK CHIEF.

THOSE NUMBERS ON THE SCREEN WERE LAST YEAR'S FISCAL YEAR NUMBERS AND THE NUMBERS YOU RATTLED OFF WERE CURRENT YEAR, HALF YEAR NUMBERS.

GOOD FOR YOU FOR BEING ABLE TO KNOW THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THOSE.

I WAS TRYING TO DO THE MATH ON THE FLY A LITTLE SLOWER THAN THAT.

ANY OF THESE SIGNIFICANTLY GOING UP OR DOWN DO YOU THINK, FOR THE HALF YEAR THAT WE'VE GOT IN OUR BELT? SO WHAT MAKES IT REALLY TOUGH THAT THIS DATA JUST THE NUMBERS ALONE WON'T SHOW IS THAT WHEN WE ARE FULLY STAFFED, WHEN WE HAVE A FULL SQUAD OUT, WE ARE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH A LOT MORE THAN WHEN WE HAVE SOMEBODY OUT ON INJURY, SOMEBODY'S RETIRED.

WHEN THOSE GO DOWN, UM, THE WORKLOAD ADJUSTS AS WELL.

SO WE MIGHT BE GOING CALL TO CALL VERSUS LOOKING FOR PROACTIVITY, WHICH THEN MAYBE MORE WARNINGS, MORE CITATIONS LESSEN OUR TRAFFIC COLLISIONS.

SO WHEN, SO THEY ALL RELATE AND SO UNFORTUNATELY WHEN UM, LAST YEAR WE HAD TWO MOTOR OFFICERS, THEN YOU WERE SEEING THE INCREASE THERE NOW THAT WE'RE DOWN TO ONE AND WAITING FOR ONE TO GET INTO SCHOOL.

'CAUSE THAT'S THEIR DEDICATION, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S SOLELY WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO IS TO GO OUT AND, AND ENFORCE.

NOW OUR ENFORCEMENT ISN'T TELLING THEM TO WHETHER TO WRITE CITATIONS OR WARNINGS.

WE'RE ASKING TO GO OUT, ENFORCE AND EDUCATE.

AND THEY CAN DO THAT HOWEVER, DISCRETION WISE THEY SEE BEST FIT.

SO THESE, THESE NUMBERS, UM, YEAH.

SO LET'S GO AWAY FROM THE, I WAS TRYING TO GO AWAY FROM THE NUMBERS.

I'M JUST REALLY ASKING YOU HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR, POLICE ACTIVITY, ANYTHING THAT'S GOT YOU SCRATCHING YOUR HEAD WONDERING WHAT'S CHANGING, WHAT'S GOING ON? NO, I THINK IT'S JUST SHOWING THE SAME THING THAT'S EXISTING IS THAT WE ARE BUSY, WE'RE GETTING BUSIER AND WHEN WE'RE SPLITTING OUR RESOURCES TO DIFFERENT THINGS, THEN THAT'S WHERE I'M SEEING THE FLUCTUATION OF WHERE OUR ACTIVITY IS GOING, IF THAT IS HELPFUL.

SO IT JUST, I MEAN SINCE 2019 WHEN AND RED FLAGS WE HAD TO INCREASE FLAG.

HE DIDN'T SAY, OH, I DIDN'T SEE A SIGN.

IT'S JUST WE, MY BIGGEST RED FLAG IS WE'RE TAKING ON MORE WITH LESS PEOPLE AND UM, WE'RE NOT GROWING AT THE SAME RATE EVERYTHING ELSE IS.

AND THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WE'RE STILL IN 2009 NUMBERS FOR OUR STAFFING THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INCREASE OF TOURISM AND, AND THE BUILDING OF APARTMENTS AND HOUSING AND, AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE COMING IN SHORT TERM RENTAL, WE, WE HAVEN'T MADE THOSE SAME ADJUSTMENTS TO DEAL WITH THAT INFLUX.

GREAT.

THANK YOU CHIEF.

I WANNA GO BACK TO PARKING 'CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW PETE WAS GONNA TAKE THIS OFF THE PARKING, UH, PARKING COURT FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO, UH, CHALLENGE THEIR CITATIONS.

I DUNNO IF IT'S KURT OR YOU, BUT THAT DOESN'T GO TO OUR COURT.

IT IS IT THROUGH YOUR DEPARTMENT THAT YOU HAVE? NO, NOT FI IT'S NOT FINE YET.

YOU WANNA TAKE IT ACTUALLY I'M JUST, IT'S IN MY BUT IS IT, WAS IT YOUR, YOUR DEPARTMENT THAT HANDLES CHALLENGES OF PARKING CITATIONS? SO WE, WE HANDLE THE INITIAL APPEALS AND ACTUALLY THE PERSON THAT HANDLES IT, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN INTRODUCED IS, UM, MY EXEC ASSISTANT JESSICA BRYSON.

SO SHE STARTED LAST WEEK.

UM, SHE'S ALSO WHO'S HERE WITH US.

SO SHE HANDLES THE INITIAL APPEALS PROCESS WHEN SHE REVIEWS IT BECAUSE WITH THE, THE SYSTEM THAT WE USE, THE CSOS, CSAS, OTHERS, UM, TAKE A PICTURE OF THE VIOLATION AND THERE'S NOTES THAT ARE IN THERE.

SO WHEN IT COMES IN FROM SOMEBODY THAT SAYS, NO, I DISAGREE, I DIDN'T SEE, YOU KNOW, THE ADEQUATE SIGNAGE, THEN WE, SHE HAS THE ABILITY TO PULL IT UP RIGHT THEN AND LOOK AND AT LEAST DO AN INITIAL LOOK OF IT TO SEE, YEAH, ACTUALLY WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS OR IF WE DID HAVE IT.

THEN SHE SAYS, YOUR APPEAL HAS BEEN DENIED.

AND THEN IT GOES OVER TO THE, THE CITY COURT.

WE GOT A, A LETTER FROM, I'M SORRY, WE GOT A LETTER FROM SOMEBODY JUST LIKE LAST WEEK WHO WAS INCENSED THAT HE HAD TO PAY, I THINK IT WAS $150 SUMMONS 50.

WHAT'S THAT? HUNDRED $50.

HUNDRED $50.

BUT YET

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HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.

HE SAID, HOW DARE YOU HAVE PARKING FINES.

I MEAN, I'M SURE IN HIS TOWN HE DOESN'T HAVE PARKING ISSUES AND DOESN'T HAVE PARKING FINES.

WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS, IS A FINE ENOUGH TO DETER YET, DO YOU? I DON'T THINK SO.

AND MAYBE SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.

AND IS THAT PROCESS WORKING FOR YOU AND DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM US? WELL, I THINK, UM, ANNETTE MENTIONED IT THAT WITH LANCE NOW ON TAKING OVER PARKING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD JUST SPOKE EARLIER, UM, THIS WEEK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING A MEETING TOGETHER.

SO WE CAN ALSO STRATEGIZE GOING FORWARD AS WE'RE PLANNING THIS NEXT YEAR AS WELL.

UM, BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE HOUSED THE, THE SYSTEM THAT DOES THOSE ELECTRONIC IN THE DIFFERENT METERED PARKINGS OR EVEN WHEN IT'S NOT METERED, BUT IT'S THREE HOUR AND IN SOME OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS WE ARE DEALING WITH THE APPEALS AND AS, AS YOU KNOW, WE KEEP, WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING TO WHAT PEOPLE'S RESPONSIBILITIES ARE.

AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT BEST THAT IT SITS WITH MY EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT THAT SHE'S DOING IT, BUT RIGHT NOW, WHERE ELSE DO WE PUT IT? 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.

SO WE'RE GONNA SPEAK WITH LANCE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER STRATEGIES THAT WE CAN DO.

BUT AGAIN, THE, THE FEE, THE TICKET ISN'T THE DETERRENT ITSELF.

PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY THAT FEE IF THEY CAN GET PARKING.

THEY'RE WILLING NOT TO COME BACK AFTER THEIR THREE HOURS AND THEN JUST PAY THE FEE.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHY THE BOOT MIGHT BE, OR SOMETHING ON THE WINDSHIELD MIGHT BE A DETERRENT MORE VISUAL.

SO VICE MAYOR, IF SOMEBODY LIVES OUT OF TOWN, ARE WE CONNECTED TO A NATIONAL DATABASE WHERE WE CAN GET ENFORCEMENT OF THE CITATION OR DO THEY JUST LEAVE? UM, IT CAN GO TO COLLECTIONS.

SO IT HAS TO GO TO COLLECTIONS.

AND THAT'S WHERE THEN WE WORK WITHIN FINANCE.

SO, I MEAN, REALLY IT'S A COORDINATED EFFORT WITH HOW WE'RE DOING IT BECAUSE ALSO OVER IN PUBLIC WORKS, WE WORK WITH VICTOR THAT HELPS MAINTENANCE THOSE METERS.

SO WE ALL HAVE A PIECE OF THE PIE TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING GETS DONE.

SO WHEN IT COMES TO IF SOMEBODY DOES NOT PAY THEIR FEE, UM, THEN, UM, POTENTIALLY IT GOES TO COLLECTIONS.

HOW ABOUT A MOVING VIOLATION? NO, IT'S TALKING THOSE, THOSE GO TO COURT.

AND SAME THING IF SOME OF THOSE COULD END UP HAVING THEIR LICENSE SUSPENDED.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING.

OR POINTS OR SOMETHING.

WHEN YOU'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, MORE CITY, CITY ORDINANCE BASED VERSUS, UM, TRAFFIC ROADWAY WITH AN, WITH AN ARIZONA REVISED STATUTE ATTACHED TO IT THAN IT CAN BE DIFFERENT, HOW THOSE ARE PROCESSED.

AND, AND MAYOR AND COUNSEL, THERE'S THE INTERSTATE COMPACT.

SO IT, IT, IT ATTACHES TO THE VEHICLE, BUT IT CAN PREVENT REGISTRATION.

UNPAID FINES IN ONE STATE CAN HAVE EFFECT BACK IN YOUR HOME STATE.

SO IT'S, UM, THERE IS THAT, THAT AUTOMATICALLY STARTS TO TAKE PLACE GENERALLY IF IT'S REPORTED.

IS THAT ACROSS THE COUNTRY RECIPROCITY OR MOST, MOST STATES ARE IN THE INTERSTATE COMPACT.

IS IT EFFECTIVE? YEAH.

GENERALLY IT'S EFFECTIVE.

SO, UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD, PARKING TICKETS, I DON'T KNOW ARE, ARE, ARE, UM, REPORTED AS MUCH AS A MOVING VIOLATION PER SE, BUT, UM, THERE'S SOME OF THAT DOES GO, DOES GO ON.

OFTEN IT'S IF THEY'RE OUT-OF-STATE PEOPLE, THEY'RE IN A RENTAL CAR ANYWAYS.

THE RENTAL CAR COMPANY MAKES SURE THEY PAY.

THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, SO WHEN IT'S A RENTAL CAR AND IT'S ATTACHED BACK TO THE RENTAL CAR, THEY MIGHT ATTACH THE FEE TO THE CREDIT CARD THEY PUT ON FILE.

OH, THEY DO.

AND PAY.

SO IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY MINIMAL OF ANYBODY THAT GETS AWAY NOT PAYING THEIR PARK TICKET.

BE AWARE.

AND NEW GUY GET ANYTHING.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, ON THAT NOTE, WE DO HAVE SOME OF THE HIGHEST, UM, PARKING TICKET, UM, FINES ALREADY, UH, COMPARED TO OUR NEIGHBORS.

THANK, GOOD TO KNOW WHAT THE .

SO ARE, ARE YOU PLANNING TO, ASSUMING THAT YOU GET THE SUPPORT OF YOUR MANAGEMENT IN ALL OF THE ABOVE, ARE YOU PLANNING TO INCREASE YOUR STAFFING? I AM PLANNING TO ASK, UM, TO PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING.

I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS, SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH YOU MM-HMM .

BUT I AM DOING A VERY INTENSIVE LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT OCCUPANCY RATES, UM, BUILDS SOME OTHER PROJECTS, EVEN THE ANNEXATION AND THINGS.

WHAT DOES THAT DO TO OUR SERVICE? AND I, I AM PREPARING SOMETHING TO PROPOSE AN INCREASE TO OUR STAFFING.

UM, AND IT MOSTLY WILL BE TO THE SWORN STAFFING.

'CAUSE AGAIN, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL BELOW OLD NUMBERS.

BUT IT'S NOT JUST A TRAFFIC UNIT THAT'S NEEDED AND TO BUILD, IT'S ALSO WITHIN OUR INDIVIDUAL SQUADS.

UM, AND, AND I THINK EVEN LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MOTOR, AND I KNOW THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF JOKING, LIKE, I'LL GIVE YOU FOUR MM-HMM .

AND I SAID, WELL, LET ME START WITH ONE, YOU KNOW, ADDITION AND SEE WHERE THAT GOES.

IT HAS BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL WHEN WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP THEM ON THE ROAD AND IN, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR TASK.

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SO THAT, LIKE I WAS SAYING YESTERDAY, WHEN ONE GOES OUT ON TRAINING, WHICH WE DO NEED, AND, AND AS RUSS WAS UP HERE AND TALKING ABOUT THE, THE SYSTEM HE'S PUTTING, THAT REALLY DOESN'T MEET THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE TYPE OF TRAINING THAT WE NEED TO GO GET.

SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING ON TOP OF THAT, THAT WE'RE DOING ALL THE, THE, THE TRAINING THAT WE NEED TO, TO LET PEOPLE HAVE VACATIONS, YOU KNOW, TO DO THINGS OUTSIDE THIS WORK SO THAT THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, STAY HEALTHY.

SO WE'RE GONNA NEED A, A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT IT FOR OUR, OUR DAILY STAFF DAY AND NIGHT OF AN INCREASE, BUT ALSO, UM, POTENTIALLY A TRAFFIC UNIT THAT CAN WORK TO SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GETTING DOWN TO THESE TRAIL HEADS TO, YOU KNOW, UM, KURTZ HERE.

AND I NOTICED THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS, IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE TRAFFIC PATTERNS WITH SOME OF THE STUDIES WE'VE BEEN DOING AND HOW INTENSIVE THAT'S BEEN WITH OUR STAFFING.

SO WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DIRECTED TO ASSIST IN AREAS LIKE THE MORGAN ROAD WHERE WE'RE DEDICATING SOMEBODY TO BE OUT THERE, THAT'S, THAT'S TAKING AWAY FROM OUR REGULAR STAFF TO THEN FILL THESE ROLES.

SO ALL THESE DIFFERENT PRIORITIES AND TASKS AND ASK COME AT A COST AS WELL FOR WHAT OUR SERVICES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING.

CHIEF, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT ANNEXATION, AND YOU MENTIONED IT YESTERDAY, UH, I THINK IT WAS KURT THAT SAID LEGAL KURT THAT SAID, UH, WELL THE ANNEXATION, THE, UH, SHERIFF DOESN'T GO DOWN TO THE DELL'S PROPERTY DOESN'T DRIVE IN THOSE ROADS ANYWAY.

AND IT'S ALREADY AND SEDONA PD DOING THAT.

WHERE IS THERE MORE WORK BECAUSE OF THE ANNEXATION? SO WE GO TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE HELP WITH CALLS FOR SERVICE.

'CAUSE WE HAD ALREADY MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH YAVAPAI COUNTY SINCE OUR THINGS WERE OUT THERE THAT WE WOULD GO, UNLESS IT WAS BIGGER, THERE'S A CONFLICT THAN THEY WOULD'VE COME IN.

BUT DEPENDING ON HOW THAT BUILD GOES, I CAN TELL YOU IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHEN PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE'RE WE'RE DOING MORE, THEN THE CALLS POTENTIALLY COULD GO UP MORE.

SO IF WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE STAYING OUT THERE, THERE'S DAMAGE THAT HAPPENS.

THEN WHAT I MEAN BY, BY THE PULL IS NOW WE'RE GOING FOUR MORE MILES OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS AND NOW WE'RE GETTING FURTHER FROM SOME OF THE AREAS ON 1 79.

OR WE'RE GETTING FURTHER OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS THAT NOW WHEN YOU'RE RUNNING A SQUAD OF THREE PEOPLE AND ONE'S GONNA BE FURTHER OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS AND NOW YOU'RE DOWN TO TWO AND MOST CALLS FOR SERVICE NOW ARE TWO PER MM-HMM .

THEN NOW YOU'VE DEPLETED IT EVEN MORE.

SO I DON'T IMAGINE, LIKE KURT WAS SHARING THAT OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE NECESSARILY WILL GO UP MORE, BUT IT'S GONNA DRAW US OUT A LITTLE FURTHER.

IT'S GONNA MAKE RESPONSE TIMES GO DOWN.

SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME OF THOSE PERFORMANCE INDICATORS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO US, CHANGE DRASTICALLY BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING DISTANCE TIMES AND SQUARE MILES.

THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.

IF THAT'S ACCOMPLISHED, WOULD THAT RAISE YOUR MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS ON A, A DAY TO DAY TOUR? IDEALLY, IT'S JUST GONNA RAISE OUR LEVELS IN GENERAL.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MINIMUMS, UM, OUR MINIMUMS AGAIN ARE FROM OLD DATA THAT WAS, I UNDERSTAND THAT ALLOWED THROUGH CALLS FOR SERVICE THROUGHOUT A DAY.

THOSE CALLS FOR SERVICE HAVE ALSO INCREASED.

SO OUR MINIMAL STAFFING LEVELS, YES, DO NEED TO GO UP TO STAY UP WITH THE CALLS FOR SERVICE.

AND THAT'S WHERE I NEED TO LOOK AT REALLY WITH THE DATA AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

WHERE DOES THAT PUT US? BECAUSE THE OTHER THING IS OUR STAFF NOW IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHEN I PROBABLY EVEN FIRST STARTED THE JOB WHERE I WANTED OVERTIME AND EXTRA HOURS.

'CAUSE I WANTED TO PAY FOR THIS AND I DIDN'T HAVE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.

BUT THE WAY OUR MORE YOUTHFUL, UM, NEWER STAFF, THEY DON'T WANT THAT.

THEY VALUE THEIR HOME TIME, THEY VALUE THEIR OFF TIME.

SO THEY'RE NOT SIGNING UP TO DO AS MUCH EXTRA WORK, BUT THAT EXTRA WORK STILL NEEDS TO BE FILLED.

SO UNLESS IT'S A BIG ENOUGH NEED AND I AM MANDATING IT, THEN WE'RE NOT GETTING PEOPLE WANTING TO VOLUNTEER TO TAKE ON THIS TIME.

AND IF YOU MANDATE THINGS SO MUCH, THEN WE'LL HAVE RUSS BACK IN HERE REALLY TALKING ABOUT RETENTION ISSUES BECAUSE THEY'LL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE THAT SAME ASK ISN'T PUT ON THEM.

SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY FINE BALANCE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND THAT'S WHERE THE INCREASE IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET TO A HEALTHIER STAFFING LEVEL THAT GOES WITH THE CITY'S NEEDS AND INCREASES THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS.

DO YOU ROUTINELY PATROL THAT? IS THAT SORT OF PART OF SOMEONE'S ROUTINE PATROL TO SEE IF WE'VE GOT PEOPLE CAMPING OUT THERE? YES.

I I, WE ARE NOT GONNA AGREE ON, ON THAT TOPIC.

OBVIOUSLY IT'S BEEN GOING ON, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN PD AND MYSELF, MINIMUM STAFFING FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS.

BUT I APPRECIATE THAT.

IT IS VERY HELPFUL AND IF WE CAN GET MORE PEOPLE IN THERE, THAT WOULD BE MY GOAL.

AWESOME.

ALYSSA.

SO FIRST A QUESTION.

SO, UM, ON THE WESTERN GATEWAY,

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UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT DEPENDS IF WE GO FURTHER DOWN WHERE THE GATES ARE THAT LOCK IT, UM, WE MIGHT NOT GO AS FAR DOWN EVERY NIGHT, BUT YES, WE DO, WE DO ROUTINELY.

SO DAILY BULLET, YOU SEE IT.

SO, SO THIS GOES TO YES, BUT NOT EVERYONE SEES THOSE.

SO, UM, GOING TO THE ANNEXATION THEN WE'RE ANNEXING A WHOLE BUNCH OF LAND THAT'S BEHIND THOSE, THAT LITTLE SUBDIVISION THAT'S, UM, NATIONAL FOREST LAND.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT OUR PROPERTIES, RIGHT? WE HAVE THE DELLS AND WE HAVE, UH, WASTEWATER.

SO I HEARD YOU SAY WE'LL GO OUT IF THERE'S A SERVICE CALL TO WASTEWATER, BUT NOW ARE YOU ALSO THINKING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE TO ACTUALLY EXTEND YOUR PATROL TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE CAMPING ON THE DELLS? OR YOU COULD GET A SERVICE CALL IF THERE'S AN IGA WITH THE FOREST SERVICE BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY IN SUNSET VILLAGE, I THINK THAT'S THE NAME OF THE GROUP, SAYS, HEY, WE SEE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE'S CAMPING BACK THERE BECAUSE NOW THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE CITY.

SO I'M ASSUMING THAT ALL OF THAT WOULD ALSO RAISE, YOU KNOW, YOUR REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A LARGER STAFF.

AM AM I THINKING ABOUT THAT CORRECTLY? CORRECT.

THAT'S HOW I AM LOOKING AT IT.

UM, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE OVERWHELMINGLY, UM, TERRIBLE BURDEN, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE A BURDEN ON STAFFING TO GO OUT TO THOSE LOCATIONS FURTHER OUTSIDE OUR CITY LIMITS OF WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AND THAT THE CALLS COULD INCREASE BECAUSE NOW, UM, MORE PEOPLE ARE CALLING IN ABOUT POTENTIAL, SEEING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY THINK IS MAYBE A CAMPFIRE OR SOMETHING GOING ON THAT WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO YES.

RESPOND TO.

UM, SO JUST ONE CORRECTION IN ONE CORRECTION IN YOUR THINKING THAT IS THE CITY LIMITS IF WE DO THE ANNEXATION.

THAT'S WHY I SAID OUR, SO WE'RE NO LONGER GOING OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

WE'RE JUST, OUR CITY LIMITS ARE NOW BIGGER AND YOU HAVE THAT WHOLE AREA TO PATROL.

IS MY, WAS MY POINT.

AND, AND I'M SORRY, MAYBE I DIDN'T SAY IT MORE CLEAR.

I I WAS SAYING OUR CURRENT CITY LIMITS VERSUS WHAT WOULD BECOME OUR CITY LIMITS, THEN YES, WE WOULD BE PATROLLING THAT MORE PROACTIVELY LIKE WE DO WITHIN OUR CURRENT CITY LIMITS.

ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WONDER ABOUT IS, UH, WHETHER FOLKS WILL START MAKING MORE CALLS BECAUSE IT'S SEDONA PD NOW INSTEAD OF THE SHERIFF AND MM-HMM .

HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK WE HAVE A REPUTATION FOR BEING PRETTY DARN RESPONSIVE.

I'LL, THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE ALSO.

WHAT IS OUR, UH, METRIC FOR RESPONSE TIME? UH, I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WE CALCULATE IT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

UM, ONE, IF IT'S A PRIORITY TYPE CALL, MEANING THERE'S AN ACTIVE THREAT VERSUS, UM, UH, DELAYED REPORT OF CRIMINAL DAMAGE OR SOMETHING, THEN, THEN THAT RESPONSE TIME VARIES.

AND I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME.

IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN GET 'EM BACK TO YOU.

WOULD YOU PLEASE MM-HMM .

ON, ON WHAT THAT IS.

IT'S BASICALLY A RED DOT THAT HELPS US KEEP DOWN TARGET.

CHIEF, CONTINUE ON.

SO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT IMPROVEMENTS, SOME OF IT WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY, BUT THAT'S GOING BACK TO THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS, THE LPR, THE LICENSE PLATE READERS, THE SCHEDULING SOFTWARE, POLICY SOFTWARE, UM, AND SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT COME UP BASED ON END OF LIFE, MEANING ARMOR.

UM, LIKE OUR, OUR RIFLE PLATED, UM, ARMOR, THOSE, THOSE DO EXPIRE ARE PORTABLE BREATH TESTS THAT WE CALL 'EM PPTS, BUT THAT'S THE ACRONYM.

UM, WHEN WE'RE OUT IN THE FIELD BEFORE WE BRING SOMEBODY BACK AND HAVE 'EM ON THE INSTRUMENT, THAT'S, UM, MORE RELIABLE.

THOSE ARE AT AN END OF LIFE.

SO YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THOSE COME UP.

AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY IT NOW SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHEN THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE REALLY LIKE THINGS THAT ARE, ARE ASK AND WANTS.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY FALL IN THE, THE END OF LIFE.

SO SOME, SOME MORE OF THOSE ARE COMING UP.

AND I, AGAIN, I KNOW I TRIED TO LET YOU KNOW LAST YEAR THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE MORE OF THOSE, UM, TECHNOLOGY AND TYPE UPDATES THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE NEEDING TO MAKE.

UM, AT TIMES, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT IT MORE OF A REPLACEMENT.

BUT THE REASON I'M SAYING IT IS BECAUSE YES, IT'S REPLACING SOMETHING.

UM, BUT YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE, THE INCREASE IN, IN, IN THAT BUDGETED CHIEF.

WHAT ABOUT THE WEAPONS AND SOME OF THEM, HOW CURRENT ARE THEY? HOW OLD ARE THEY? UH, ARE THEY THE LATEST AND BEST AND, YOU KNOW, MOST ACCURATE? DO YOU HAVE A WEAPON IN MIND THAT YOU WANTED ME TO SPECIFICALLY SPEAK TO? I GUESS YOUR RIFLES? SO OUR RIFLES WILL BE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE WILL BE UPDATING THEM.

WE CURRENTLY TRANSITION THEM AS NEEDED.

AND WE DO HAVE RIFLE ARMORS THAT INSPECT THEM.

UM, SOMETIMES TWICE A YEAR, IF NOT JUST ANNUALLY.

SO WE UPDATE THE, THE SCOPES ON 'EM, WE UPDATE OUR, UM,

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OUR FLASHLIGHTS.

SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO TRANSITION IT TO IS FROM A LONGER BARREL TO A SHORTER BARREL.

SO AS THOSE COME UP, WE'RE, WE'RE TRANSITIONING THEM AS WE BUY, UM, NEW ONES FOR, UM, ANY NEW POSITIONS, THEN WE'RE GETTING THE LATEST AND GREATEST ON THOSE.

AND SO WE ROTATE OUT.

UM, WE JUST RECENTLY UPDATED OUR, UM, PISTOLS, OUR SIDE ARMS, UH, TO THE NEWEST AND LATEST SO THAT WE CAN ADD, UM, THE OPTIC OPTION ON THOSE AS WELL.

UM, AGAIN, IT'S MOSTLY KNOWN AS RED DOTS.

SO WE HAVE, UM, THIS JUST THIS LAST YEAR IN THE LAST BUDGET, WE UPDATED ALL OF OUR, OUR PISTOLS INSTEAD OF DOING A WHOLE BANK OF THEM, WOULD IT, DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE FOR BUDGET WISE TO DO FIVE AT A TIME EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW, AND TRANSITION OVER A COURSE OF YEARS? CAN I ASK THAT? WOULD THAT WORK WITH A LITTLE DIFFERENT FLAVOR, MAYOR? SURE.

IT'S THE SAME QUESTION, BUT WITH A DIFFERENT FLAVOR.

SO SOME OF THIS STUFF IS SORT OF PLANNED OR KNOWN OBSOLESCENCE, AND I'M CURIOUS ABOUT OUR BUDGET PHILOSOPHY TO OUR MANAGER AND TO OUR, WELL, THAT'S RIGHT.

FINANCE DIRECTOR IS THAT DON'T, DO WE NOT HAVE A RESERVE WE BUILD UP EVERY YEAR TO SORT OF TAKE CARE OF THIS ALMOST LIKE A VEHICLE REPLACEMENT PLAN, RIGHT? YOU'RE READING MY MIND.

ITEMS AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING.

NOT SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED RIGHT NOW, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA BECAUSE THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO REPLACE ON A REGULAR SCHEDULE.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY VERY EASY THING TO SET UP A RESERVE FOR WHERE YOU'RE BASICALLY FUNDING EVERY YEAR AN AMOUNT FOR THAT.

AND YOU'RE PAYING FOR SOME AND FUNDING MORE SO THAT EVERY YEAR YOU'VE GOT IT RIGHT.

I HAVE TO IMAGINE THAT THAT SORT OF PHILOSOPHY WOULD EXTEND IN OTHER CITY AREAS AS WELL.

AND I THINK, I TRIED TO ASK THIS QUESTION A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO ABOUT, SO I, I THINK AT THAT POINT I USED OLD WORDS THAT I HAD ABOUT, UH, UNFUNDED MANDATES.

I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE WORD I USED A COUPLE YEARS AGO, BUT THAT IT'S THE SAME KIND OF THING ABOUT, WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOUR RADIOS ARE THE SAME THING MM-HMM .

AND TASERS.

SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BARBARA AND I TALKED ABOUT WHEN SHE VERY FIRST GOT HERE, I'VE ALLUDED TO IT PREVIOUSLY, UM, AND MAYBE WE TOUCH ON IT WHEN WE GET TO POLICY UPDATES HERE, BUT IS OUR FIXED ASSET MANAGEMENT POLICY.

THIS IS GETTING WONKY AND IN THE WEEDS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF DRIVES THESE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE MANAGING EQUIPMENT ALL THE WAY UP TO BIG CAPITAL, BUT, UM, A, AN EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND, THESE SYNCING PHONE CONCEPTS OR THE CONCEPT OF CAPTURING DEPRECIATION OF ASSETS, ALL OF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH AN UPDATED FIXED ASSET MANAGEMENT POLICY.

SO, UH, ANNETTE, LET ME QUICKLY ASK SOMETHING THAT WAS HOW YOU MAY KNOW THE ANSWER AS FAR AS YEARS AGO, TWO MANAGERS AGO, JUSTIN CLIFTON HAD SOMETHING PUT IN PLACE WHERE WE WERE ALWAYS PAYING IN FROM THE BUDGET, PAYING IN TO A FUND TO TAKE CARE OF THE OBSOLESCENCE OF EQUIPMENT.

YEAH, WE HAVE EQUIPMENT RESERVE FUND, BUT MAYBE IT'S FOR COMPUTERS AND NOT BUSINESS MORE FOR COMPUTERS, BUT , I DUNNO.

THIS WAY WE CAN ASSURE THAT THE OFFICERS ARE HAVING THE BEST EQUIPMENT AND, YOU KNOW, MO MOST MODERN, AND I JUST, I WANT TO BE CLEAR.

SO WHEN WE DID THAT TRANSITION OF OUR PISTOLS JUST THIS YEAR, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO HAVE A ROTATION SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE CREATED WITH OUR VEHICLES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ON A ROTATION OF FIVE EVERY YEAR, SO WE DON'T GET AS FAR DOWN WITH THE, THE MAINTENANCE OF KEEPING A CAR TOO LONG.

BUT WITH OUR, OUR PISTOLS, WE ACTUALLY DID NOT GO TO ASK FOR ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS AND WE MADE IT WORK WITHIN OUR CURRENT FIREARMS BUDGET.

AND THEN WHEN, UM, WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE THAT AND IT'S A BIGGER SWITCH OUT OF OUR CURRENT MODEL THAT WE HAVE TO A NEWER, THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE CURRENT GUN SO THEN WE CAN GO THROUGH THE TRAINING OF THE NEW PISTOL.

'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO REQUALIFY.

AND SO THE, THE TRANSITION TIME IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE FACTORED IN.

SO IF WE WERE DOING SOME OF OUR EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENTS ANNUALLY, IT WOULD, IT WOULD PUT A MUCH BIGGER BURDEN ON THE TRAINING OFFICERS TO HAVE TO BE MORE AVAILABLE TO SPECIFICALLY TRAIN VERSUS US DOING SOME MORE QUARTERLY TRAININGS AND DOING IT AS, AS A TEAM.

SO THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT WE WEIGHED DEPENDING ON HOW BIG OF A PURCHASE ONE OF OUR ITEMS ARE VERSUS, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN WE GO TO SWITCH THE TASERS OF WHAT I WAS SAYING, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE THOSE ARE AT THE END OF LIFE AND, UM, WE, WE WANNA DO THAT MASS OVERHAUL BECAUSE IF WE DID THAT INDIVIDUALLY OR FIVE AT A TIME, THEN WE WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE CARRYING A DIFFERENT TOOL.

AND THEN THAT CAN ALSO CREATE, UH, A TRAINING SCAR AND ISSUES, UM, IF WE'RE CARRYING DIFFERENT

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SO ARE THE SAME MANUFACTURER, I'M NOT ASKING FOR MODEL, I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANY DEEP, DEEP DETAIL, BUT SAME MANUFACTURER, IF THEY'RE ALL GLOCK, IF THEY ALL SMITH AND WESSON, THE MAGAZINES WOULD FIT INTERCHANGEABLE FROM OFFICER TO OFFICER.

I DON'T, I ARE, ARE WE IN THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT? WELL, WE ARE, I'M GETTING WORRIED ABOUT, I WANNA MAKE SURE TIMEFRAME MOVING THAT THERE'S FUNDING ENOUGH FUNDING FOR YOU MOVING FORWARD.

I, I WASN'T SPEAKING TO PISTOLS ON THAT ONE.

I WAS SPEAKING TO THE AXON AND THOSE TASERS ARE VERY DIFFERENT.

YOU ARE NOT SWITCHING CARTRIDGES.

LIKE YOUR ANALOGY OF A MAGAZINE IS VERY DIFFERENT.

THANK YOU, PETE.

DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION TOO? IT, IT DID.

AND I, I THINK I ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION PHASE IN, BUT EVEN IF IT WAS ON A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT WHERE IT'S AN ADVENT, I GOTTA IMAGINE THERE'S A A PRICE ADVANTAGE FOR BUYING A BUNCH AT THE SAME TIME TOO.

SO THERE IS, RIGHT? CORRECT.

BUT YOU COULD STILL DRAW THAT OUT OF A RESERVE THAT HAD BEEN PLANNED FOR THIS PURCHASE RATHER THAN US WAIT FOR IT TO SHOW UP AS A, YOU KNOW, A NEW THING, A REQUEST IN THE BUDGET.

YEAH, I, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE AND I DO THINK THAT IS GOOD FOR US TO DO.

AND THAT WAS KINDA MY POINT.

AND WE DID GET OFF A LITTLE BIT WITH DIFFERENT EXAMPLES, BUT I DO THINK THAT'S A, A BETTER APPROACH.

'CAUSE WE KNOW IT'S COMING, SOMETIMES WE JUST CAN'T PLAN WHEN, AND WE DO IT WITH COMPUTERS, WE DO IT WITH CARS, SO WHY WOULDN'T WE DO IT IN OTHER AREAS? I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

EXACTLY.

OKAY, MOVING ON ALONG.

AND THEN LASTLY IS IF WE WANTED ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, I KNOW KURT, I HEARD ON THE TEAMS WHEN HE WAS DISCUSSING MORE OF THE ALTERNATIVE TRAFFIC PATTERNS, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN ONGOING BETWEEN A FEW OF OUR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS SUPPORTING AND GATHERING DATA.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD ONE IN NOVEMBER, POTENTIALLY THE, THE ONE THAT'S COMING HERE IN DECEMBER.

AND WE HAVE A MEETING JUST TO GO OVER A DEBRIEF OF WHAT WE LEARNED.

BUT DID YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING OR? NO, I WAS JUST GETTING READY IN CASE IN CASE I'M DOING ALL THESE.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T WANT TO BEAT THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT ALSO FALLS UNDERNEATH US THAT IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS.

UM, BUT I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A GOOD AMOUNT.

UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US.

I'M GOOD.

EVERYBODY ELSE? GOOD? OKAY.

JUST A REMINDER IS THE Y METERING, UH, THAT WE'RE DOING WAS ACTUALLY TRYING TO RELIEVE POLICE OFFICERS SO THAT WERE OUT THERE TO THE COUNCIL.

ALRIGHT, SO I, I JUST HAVE ONE THING.

WE TALKED ABOUT ASKING THE LEGISLATURE TO CHANGE STATUTES SO THAT WE COULD ISSUE, UM, CSOS YEAH.

CSOS WOULD BE ABLE TO ISSUE TICKETS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

IS THAT SOMETHING WE STILL WANT TO DO? SO MAYOR AND COUNSEL, IF YOU RECALL, WE, WE WENT TO THE LEAGUE ON THAT AND IT DID NOT PASS, UM, THE LEAGUE THE LEAGUE, UM, DIDN'T IT MAKE IT TO THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE? UH, IT DID NOT.

UH, AND SO IF IT'S SOMETHING THE CITY WANTED DO, WE'D HAVE TO PROCEED ON OUR OWN.

THERE WAS NO OTHER INTEREST WHEN WE WENT LAST TIME, NONE OF THE OTHER CITIES HAD INTEREST IN IT.

I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

TRIED TO GIVE YOU SOME HELP.

YEAH, I, THAT'S, THAT'S IN PREVIOUS DISCUSSION.

THAT'S WHERE THE BURDEN BECOMES BECAUSE WE, IT HAS TO BE A SWORN PERSONNEL THAT CONTINUES TO TAKE ON THESE TASKS.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

GREAT CHIEF, THANKS FOR THE UPDATE.

NEXT IS OUR, LIKE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SUSTAINABILITY.

AND I THINK BRYCE IS COMING UP FOR THIS SYMPATHY.

WHEN HE GOES OUTSIDE, HE TAKES A CAST OFF .

OF THE DECARBONIZATION ROADMAP, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, THE ADDITIONAL INCORPORATION OF THE HEAT MITIGATION AND ADAPTATION STRATEGIES FOR, UM, FROM THE, UH, GUIDEBOOK STRATEGIES THAT WE HAVE.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, MAYOR, VICE MANAGER, DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL.

HAPPY TO BE, UH, BACK HERE AGAIN TODAY.

UH, SO THANKS FOR BEARING WITH ME AS I HOP A HOP ALONG TO SEAT TO SEAT .

UM, SO JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS TO, TO KIND OF COVER, UH, THAT WE HAD FOR PRIORITY AREAS, UH, FOR, UH, I'LL GO ON CAPITAL INVESTMENTS FIRST.

SO, UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, THE, THE EFFORTS TO DECARBONIZE OUR MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS INCLUDE, UH, RENEWABLE, UH, ENERGY, UH, WEATHERIZATION EFFICIENCIES, BUILDING EFFICIENCIES, UH, HVAC COMPONENTS, AND, UH, THE VEHICLE ELECTRIFICATION.

UH, SO IT'D BE LOOKING TO BUILD UPON, UH, THE PREVIOUS EFFORTS AND STARTING TO HAVE THAT, UH, AS I MENTIONED YESTERDAY, THE, THE INITIAL PLANNING MOVED TO THE START OF FY 26, UH, AND THEN BUILD OUT, UH, THE PROPOSED, UH, PROJECTS FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE BASED OFF

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SO FOR THAT ONE, UH, IT MIGHT NOT BE A DISTINCT INDIVIDUAL PROJECT, MORE OF INTEGRATING THE, UH, APPROACHES AND STRATEGIES INTO EXISTING PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS AND THE LIKE, TO NOT HAVE HIS OWN DISTINCT CATEGORY TO IT.

UH, BUT IT'D BE A PRIORITY AREA, UH, OF SUGGESTION.

UH, THE THIRD BULLET POINT THERE FOR THE EXPLORE EXPLORATION OF RENEWABLE, UH, ENERGY PROJECTS AT COMMUNITY SCALE.

SO AS, UH, WE DISCUSSED, UH, BEFORE SOME OF THE, UM, ISSUES WITH THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS IS TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING AT SCALE THAT WE CAN GET ACCOUNTING MECHANISMS FOR, FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY, UH, GENERATION, UH, OR UTILITY COMPANIES MOVE AT, UH, THEIR OWN PACE.

AND SO SOMETIMES THAT PACE DOESN'T QUITE MATCH UP WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR WHAT WE WANT TO DO FOR A, OUR MUNICIPALITY AND FOR OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

UH, SO WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, EXPLORE SOME OPTIONS ON HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO KIND OF INCENTIVIZE OR SPEED THAT, UH, PROCESS UP A LITTLE BIT.

ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UH, A GRANT FUNDING, UH, FOR, IT'S A RURAL ENERGY PROGRAM.

UH, I FORGOT THE ACRONYM FOR THE, THE GRANT, BUT IT'S, UH, THE PROGRAM'S SET UP TO, UH, INCENTIVIZE, I SAY RURAL ENERGY GENERATION FOR RURAL COMMUNITIES UNDER 10,000 PEOPLE.

UH, AND SO I'M TRYING TO GET SOME CONVERSATIONS GOING WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS AT A PS, UH, TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN PARTNER ON A, UH, PROGRAM OR A PROJECT THAT CAN HELP, UH, UM, ESSENTIALLY MOVE THAT PROCESS ALONG.

AND AS A, ANOTHER ONE THAT I'M ANTICIPATING BRINGING, UH, BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION IS A, A INTERESTING TOPIC THAT OUR, UH, COLLEAGUES UP AT, UH, NAU, UH, CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, UH, TEMPE MESA AND PHOENIX AND A SU ARE KIND OF INTERESTED IN IS THIS IDEA OF A VIRTUAL POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT.

UH, AND SO I'LL, UH, ANTICIPATE BRINGING, UH, MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT BEFORE COUNCIL ON WHAT THAT KIND OF MECHANISM LOOKS LIKE.

SO, UH, THE, I, THE A PHYSICAL POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S, UH, BEING DONE AT THE SOLAR SITE OUT AT WASTEWATER RIGHT NOW IS THAT YOU HAVE A THIRD PARTY, UH, THAT OP OWNS AND OPERATES THE SITE, AND THEN THE CITY LIKE GUARANTEES TO BUY THAT ENERGY OFF OF IT.

IT'S A PHYSICAL CONNECTION PIECE TO IT.

UH, A VIRTUAL POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY A, A SITE OFF, UH, A RENEWABLE SITE THAT'S OFF LOCATION OR OFF OF OUR IMMEDIATE PROPERTIES.

THOSE CAN, CAN BE SITUATED WITHIN A TERRITORIAL GRID, UH, FOR ELECTRICITY OR OUTSIDE OF THAT, UH, BUT ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO SPEED UP, UM, EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS IN OTHER AREAS, BUT THEN WE ESSENTIALLY GET THE WRECKS FOR IT.

AND THEN THERE, THERE'S A, UH, DIFFERENT MECHANISMS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

SO IT'S, UH, A LITTLE BIT, UH, COMPLEX AND, UH, INTRICATE COMPONENT.

SO I'D BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT GOAL WOULD BE TRYING TO FIND THAT MECHANISM TO BUILD A RENEWABLE, UH, COMMUNITY SCALE, UH, COMPONENT TO IT.

SO, UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, IT'S CHALLENGING TO, TO DO THAT WITHIN A PS OR WITHIN ARIZONA'S, UH, STRUCTURE.

UH, TRADITIONALLY YOU'LL SEE OTHER COMMUNITIES WILL, UM, WITH STRUCTURES DIFFERENT THAN OTHER STATES FOR THEIR ELECTRICITY PROVIDERS WILL HAVE LIKE A COMMUNITY CHOICE AGGREGATION.

UM, AND SINCE THE STATE OF ARIZONA DOESN'T ALLOW THAT, IT KIND OF RESTRICTS WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS OF HOW WE CAN, UH, INCENTIVIZE OR PUSH AROUND THAT.

UH, AND THEN FOR THE, THE LAST POINT ON THE, THE, UH, PROPOSED DEBT ISSUES FOR GREEN BOND DESIGNATION, I'LL, I'LL LET BARBARA, UH, SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR.

SO RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANY DEBT ISSUES CURRENTLY, BUT WHEN THE CITY CHOOSES TO ISSUE DEBT, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THOSE FUNDS BECAUSE WE CAN GET A GREEN BOND DESIGNATION ON THOSE BONDS.

AND WHILE THAT DOESN'T RIGHT NOW, GET US BETTER PRICING, IN 2017 WHEN THERE WAS A BIG INTERNATIONAL CLIMATE ROUND TABLE, WE HOPED AT THE TIME THAT BY NOW WE WOULD SEE A PRICE DIFFERENTIAL ON GREEN BONDS WHERE WE COULD SELL THEM FOR MORE.

UNFORTUNATELY, UM, THAT HASN'T HAPPENED IN THE UNITED STATES.

IN EUROPE, THERE'S A PRICE DIFFERENTIAL, UM, BUT NOT HERE.

UM, IT DOES HOWEVER, SIGNAL TO INVESTORS THAT THE CITY IS VALUING THE ENVIRONMENT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE INTERESTED IN THIS.

IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF WORK FOR STAFF, IT'S ACTUALLY JUST KIND OF POSTING UPDATES ON THE WEBSITE ONCE A YEAR.

UM, BUT I, I THINK IF AND WHEN WE SHOULD CHOOSE TO ISSUE BONDS AGAIN, WE SHOULD EVALUATE WHETHER THEY'D BE, UM, AVAILABLE TO BE LABELED THAT WAY.

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ON THE OPERATIONAL, UH, SIDE OF THINGS, UH, WE'VE, UH, LOOKING AT TRYING TO, UH, EXPAND OUR EFFORTS WITH, UH, LIKE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND TRY TO GET MORE ENGAGEMENT ON SUSTAINABLE, UH, PRACTICES WITHIN THAT.

SO SOME OF THE ASPECTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT IS A SUSTAINABLE BUILDING PROGRAM AND OR A GREEN, UH, BUSINESS PROGRAM.

UH, IF FOR THE GREEN BUSINESS PROGRAM SIDE OF THINGS, I WOULD, UH, LOOK TO TRY TO, UH, GET SOME ADDITIONAL COLLABORATION WITH LOCAL FIRST ARIZONA, SINCE THEY'RE KIND OF A REALLY, UH, GREAT INCUBATOR OF GETTING, UH, BUSINESSES, UH, TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GREEN BUSINESS BOOTCAMP.

SO SEEING IF WE CAN ADDITIONALLY FACILITATE SOME MORE SEDONA BUSINESSES TO PARTAKE IN THAT AND TRY TO GET SOME, UH, MOVEMENT AND ENGAGEMENT ON, ON THAT FRONT FOR BUSINESSES TO PARTICIPATE, UH, FOR ENERGY REDUCTION, WATER CONSERVATION AND THE LIKE.

AND SO I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF MECHANISMS THAT WE CAN, UH, INCORPORATE THERE, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THE WATER SIDE, YOU THINK WE CAN LINK IT, UH, RATHER EFFECTIVELY WITH, UH, THE RIPPLE EFFECT EFFORTS WITH ARIZONA WATER COMPANY, UH, AND SO ON.

THE, THE SUSTAINABLE BUILDING PROGRAM, UH, COMPONENT IS, UH, THE COCONINO COUNTIES HAD A SUSTAINABLE BUILDING PROGRAM FOR A, A NUMBER OF YEARS.

AND SO BE REALLY, REALLY TRYING TO MODEL THAT OR MIMIC THAT IN A SENSE TO ESSENTIALLY GET ADDITIONAL GUIDELINES AND ENCOURAGEMENT FOR PEOPLE THAT BRING DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS AND, AND LIKE TO COM DEV THAT THEY CAN START GOING THROUGH A PROCESS THAT IS ABLE TO GET MORE OF THESE INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT FROM THAT INITIAL STAGE.

UH, AND SO WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT INTO, UH, DESIGN ELEMENTS AND WHATNOT.

SO WE HAVE A, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE MORE WELL-ROUNDED, UH, POTENTIALLY MORE WELL-ROUNDED, UH, INCORPORATED VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT, UH, SUSTAINABILITY IS LOOKING AT AS WELL AS HOUSING AND, AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS AND SO ON.

ONE, THE, WE ALSO WANT TO PURSUE ADDITIONAL WASTE DIVERSION OPTIONS 'CAUSE UH, UH, OUR WASTE DIVERSION MARKET IS, HAS, UH, BEEN CHANGING WITH PATRIOT DISPOSAL, UH, BEING SOLD TO WASTE MANAGEMENT, KIND OF LIKE, UH, NARROWS DOWN THE AVAILABLE WASTE OPERATORS IN THE AREA AND GETTING MORE, WE WANT MORE CLARITY ON WHAT RECYCLING OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE THERE, UH, WHERE SYNERGIES ARE WITH, UH, SEDONA RECYCLES AND THE, LIKE, OUR WASTE EVENTS.

OUR WASTE DIVERSION EVENTS THAT WE'VE HAD HAVE BEEN, UH, VERY SUCCESSFUL.

WE HAD, WE WE'RE OVER 30,000 POUNDS FOR THIS, THIS CALENDAR YEAR, UH, FOR THE EVENT THAT WE HOSTED IN THE SPRING AND THEN AGAIN HERE IN THE FALL.

SO, UH, IT, IT DEFINITELY SHOWS THAT THERE IS INTEREST, UH, IN THOSE DIVERSION EVENTS.

AND SO TRYING TO INCREASE THE VARIETY OF THOSE EVENTS FOR THOSE TOUGH TO DISPOSE OF ITEMS, UH, LIKE CRT TELEVISIONS ARE STILL FLOATING AROUND.

AND THOSE ONES ARE QUITE PROBLEMATIC FOR US TO, TO FIND, UH, AVENUES FOR.

SO, UH, WE WANNA CONTINUE TO TRY TO PRO FIND, FIND AND FIND NEW WAYS TO PROVIDE FOR THOSE OPTIONS.

AND SO, UH, INCLUDES, UH, TRYING TO INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL PARTNERSHIPS WITH OUR LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES AROUND US.

UH, COCONINO COUNTY, UH, WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO PARTNER WITH US FOR A A MONTH'S, IT WAS A DROP OFF EVENT IN MONTH'S PARK, AND SO I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT A WAYS AWAY FROM US, BUT STILL TRYING TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DAYS AND ADDITIONAL TIMES FOR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO DISPOSE OF THESE ITEMS THAT, UH, GET INTO OUR WATERSHED AND THE LIKE.

SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, COLLABORATION POINTS THAT WE CAN PURSUE THERE.

UH, AND THEN THE, UH, SUSTAINABLE PROCUREMENT POLICY PIECE.

WE WERE, UH, KIND OF DRAFTING UP POTENTIAL, UH, OPTIONS FOR A SUSTAINABLE PROCUREMENT POLICY, UH, ABOUT A, PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR AGO NOW.

UH, BUT JUST WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, CHAIN CHANGES, UH, WITH A NEW CITY, UH, WITH A ANNETTE COMING ON BOARD AND, AND, UH, BARBARA COMING ON BOARD, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE OUR TEAMS ARE ON THE SAME PAGE AND WHAT'S EFFECTIVE, UH, WHAT'S THE, THE BEST OPTION FOR US.

BUT, UH, THE IDEA BETWEEN THAT, UH, IMPLEMENTING SUSTAINABLE PROCUREMENT POLICY IS ESSENTIALLY JUST GETTING A FOUND THAT FOUNDATIONAL PIECE THAT FROM A START WHEN YOU GO TO PROCURE THE OBJECT THAT, UH, IT'S ALIGNING WITH AS BEST AS YOU CAN WITH FINANCIALS, WITH, UH, RENEWABLES, WITH GREEN ENERGY, ORCYCLE OR RECYCLABLE PRODUCTS AND THE LIKE.

AND THEN, UH, TRYING TO BALANCE ALL THOSE OBJECTIVES AND HOW TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.

AND IF WE CAN GET THAT AS A FOUNDATIONAL PIECE, UH, FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT AND POLICY, UH, PROCUREMENT, THEN IT KIND OF SETS IT TO WHEN WE GO TO PUSH THESE PROJECTS FORWARD FOR, SAY IT'S A, A LARGE CAPITAL INVESTMENT FOR NEW ROADWAYS OR THE, LIKE, THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THOSE PRODUCTS THAT ARE MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, UH, BY DEFAULT THAN AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT.

SO, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO EXPLORE AND CONTINUE TO PUSH THAT FORWARD, UH, AND, UH, SEE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR THE ORGANIZATION.

AND LASTLY, I JUST WANNA TOUCH ON THE, THE EVALUATION OF, UH, IN THE INVASIVE SPECIES MANAGEMENT OPTION.

UH, TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT YESTERDAY, UH, WITH THE, UH, MAPPING AND GIS EFFORTS AND, UH, MON THE INITIAL LIKE SITE AUDITS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO WITH OAK CREEK WATERSHED COUNCIL AND PUBLIC WORKS.

AS THAT CONTINUES TO PROGRESS, UH, SOME OF THESE SPECIES REACT DIFFERENTLY TO DIFFERENT CONTROL MECHANISMS. UH, SOMETIMES A, UH, ONE CHEMICAL WORKS BETTER THAN ANOTHER.

SOMETIMES

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A CULTURAL APPROACH WORKS OR A MECHANICAL APPROACH.

UH, SOMETIMES EVEN A BIOLOGICAL APPROACH, UH, CAN WORK TO DIFFERENT CONTROL MECHANISMS ON, ON VARIOUS PESTS.

AND SO NOT ALWAYS JUST SPRAYING THAT ONE CHEMICAL OVER AND OVER, UH, IF IT'S AMICHI, UH, OR, OR ORGANIC ORGANIC PESTICIDE OR ANOTHER CAN, UH, MIGHT HAVE THE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, YOU'LL HAVE A DIMINISHING RETURNS IF YOU CONSTANTLY TRY TO CONTROL THE SAME, SAME PEST WITH THE SAME MECHANISM OVER AND OVER.

IT GETS, UH, RESILIENT TO IT.

SO, UH, YOU TRY TO VARY THE APPROACH ON WHAT CAN WORK BEST FOR IT.

SO AS WE CONTINUE WITH THAT PROCESS, IT JUST, UH, BEING, TRYING TO EVALUATE WHAT WORKS, UH, MOST EFFECTIVE, WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT APPROACHES WE CAN KIND OF UTILIZE TO, TO TACKLE SOME OF THE, THE INVASIVE THAT WE HAVE, UH, THAT CAN HELP, UH, IN PARTICULAR THE ONES THAT CAN, UH, CARRY FIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFECTIVELY.

SO THAT WE TRY TO HAVE THAT BALANCE OF WE'RE TARGETING A PEST THAT, UH, ALSO, UH, IF WE CAN MITIGATE THAT WOULD ALSO REDUCE FIRE, UM, CONCERNS WITHIN COMMUNITIES AND THE LIKE.

SO THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME NUANCE TO IT, BUT AS WE CONTINUE TO PROGRESS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE, UH, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A, A SUITE OF OPTIONS THAT WE CAN COME TO COUNCIL AND SAY, THESE ARE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR A RESPECTIVE, UH, TACTIC TO, TO TAKE CARE OF ONE PLANT OR ANOTHER PRICE IN GENERAL, ARE THOSE SPRAYS OR THE, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE CHEMICALS, ARE THEY PET FRIENDLY? UH, FOR THE MOST PART, UH, THEY'RE PET FRIENDLY.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON, UH, THE, THE TYPE OF PESTS YOU'RE TRYING TO GO AFTER.

UH, THAT WILL DICTATE LIKE THE TOXICITY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER FOR IT.

UH, IN GENERAL, THEY'RE RELATIVELY PET, PET FRIENDLY.

UH, IT'S, UH, YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO TARGET, UH, MOST EFFECTIVE OPPORTUNITY TIMES OF SPRAY.

UM, SOME WORK BETTER THAN OTHERS WITH IT.

THERE, THERE'S ALSO JUST DIFFERENT MECHANISMS WITH IT.

UH, AMICHI, UH, IS ESSENTIALLY, IT'S A POST EMERGENCE.

SO IT'S, IT RELIES ON THE PLANT BEING OUT, OUT OF THE GROUND GROWING, UH, TO SPRAY IT.

BUT THEN YOU HAVE OTHER, UH, OTHER CHEMICALS LIKE ARE KNOWN AS PRE-EMERGENCE THAT YOU, UH, APPLY IT BEFORE IT COMES OUT OR WHATNOT, BUT IT'S JUST ONE PART OF THE TOOLBOX FOR IT.

BUT YOU, THERE'S, THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TACTICS ON OVERSEEING, ALTERING, UH, HOW YOU CAN KIND OF APPROACH, UH, A CERTAIN SITUATION SO YOU CAN REDUCE THE EVEN NEED TO, TO SPRAY THE CHEMICAL IN THE FIRST PLACE.

RICE.

CAN I ASK, I THINK I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT THE WASTE HAULERS.

IT SEEMS TO ME A YEAR AGO THERE WAS SOME DISTURBANCE ABOUT THREE HAULERS IS TOO MANY AND TOO MANY TRUCKS AND WHATEVER, AND WE'RE DOWN TO TWO NOW.

ISN'T THAT A GOOD THING, ? YEAH, IT'S, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD THING IN THE SENSE FROM THE MISSION STANDPOINT.

I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE THREE VEHICLES JUST HAULING AROUND DOING THE, THE, THE SAME ROUTES AND THE SAME DAYS AND THE LIKE, I THINK WHERE WE WOULD WANT TO SEE JUST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO BE, TO BE SHARED WITH US FROM WASTE MANAGEMENT IS JUST THE MATERIALS THAT THEY ARE ACCEPTING.

LIKE, WHERE'S IT GOING? HOW ARE THEY DISPOSING? TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID AND WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

AND SO THE NEXT QUESTION IS ARE, ARE THE TWO EXISTING WASTE COMPANIES, ARE THEY FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS? DO WE HAVE A FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH WASTE HAULERS? OKAY, SO THE CITY CAN, THAT'S NOT A MECHANISM CAN REGULATE WASTE HAULERS, BUT IT HAS CHOSEN NOT TO.

WE CAN, AND WE CHOOSE NOT TO.

OH, THAT'S SO THE CITY CAN DESIGNATE ONE THAT'S BEEN THE DISCUSSION.

OR YOU COULD, YOU COULD DESIGNATE MORE THAN ONE, YOU COULD HAVE A SET OF STANDARDS FOR HOW THEY OPERATE AND CHOOSE.

I MEAN, YOU COULD DO MORE THAN JUST ONE OR NOTHING, RIGHT? SO GENERALLY CITIES DESIGNATE IF THEY DO, UH, AN RFP AND THEY DESIGNATE JUST ONE FOR THEIR, THEIR JURISDICTION, BUT YOU COULD NOW WASTE MANAGEMENT IS STILL DOING TWO DAYS A WEEK AND EACH NEIGHBORHOOD THEY'RE DOING THE, UH, SURE.

RIGHT? YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW, IT, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR 'EM.

I'M NOT GONNA OFF DEFEND WAYS.

NO, I, THAT'S A DUNNO WHAT THEIR TRANSITION PLAN IS, RIGHT? THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT TRAIT.

I HAVE IDEA.

THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

BUT IT COULD BE A MECHANISM FOR US TO ACTUALLY PUSH ON DIVERSION BEHAVIORS OF THE WASTE MANAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES AS TO THINK ABOUT CHANGE IN HOW WE DEAL WITH IT.

BUT IF A HUNDRED HOMES ALL NEED TO BE SERVED FOR WASTE REMOVAL, THAT'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED VISITS.

SO WHETHER YOU HAVE THREE COMPANIES, ONE COMPANY, FIVE COMPANIES, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRUCKS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN ONLY HIT HOW MANY HOMES.

ONE COMPANY WOULD'VE THREE TRUCKS AND ONE WOULD'VE, ONE OR ONE COMPANY COULD HAVE FOUR TRUCKS.

OKAY, EITHER WAY, I DON'T SEE THE EMISSIONS THING.

IT'S BASED ON THE VOLUME THAT'S TO GET PICKED UP, RIGHT? AM I WRONG OR AM I NOT? AM I DOING A FUZZY MATH THING UP HERE? OR IT'S, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE MECHANISM THAT THAT CHANGES.

SO SAY YOU HAVE THREE HAUL, THREE HAULERS IN, IN A COMMUNITY OF, OF 10 HOMES OR SO, AND EV EVERY EVERY COMMUNITY FOR THAT, FOR THAT, FOR THOSE 10 HOMES, THEY'RE GETTING SERVICE ON DIFFERENT DAYS.

YOU END UP HAVING THE SAME TRUCK DOING THE SAME SERVICE, BUT ON THREE DIFFERENT

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TIMES DOING THAT ROUTE.

UH, IF YOU HAVE ONE TRUCK THAT GOES IN AND SERVICES THOSE 10 HOMES, YOU'VE CUT OUT TWO OF THOSE ROUTES.

AND SO FROM A MISSION STANDPOINT, YOU'VE CUT OUT LEGS OF THE TRIP THAT ARE NEEDED TO DO THE SAME JOB OF SERVICING THOSE, THOSE HOMES.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

CONTINUE ON.

UH, WELL THAT, UH, I THINK I'VE COVERED, UH, EVERY, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE.

SO IT'S, UH, KIND OF A WIDE SUITE OF, OF, OF THINGS.

UH, BUT I FEEL LIKE FROM OUR, OUR PRESENTATIONS, OUR SUSTAINABILITY, UH, UPDATES, WE, WE, UH, OUR DEPARTMENT COVERS A, A WIDE RANGE OF, UH, OF TOPICS, UH, WITHIN THAT.

SO, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE, OUR MAIN, UH, FOCUS AREAS ARE CONTINUING TO ENACT, UH, DECARBONIZATION MEASURES, UH, IMPROVE ON THE CLIMATE ADAPTATION AND RESILIENCY WITHIN OUR COMMUNITIES, UH, AND THEN BE ABLE TO, UH, TRY TO ATTACK SOME OF THE, THE WATERSHED CONSERVATION AND INVASIVE SPECIES MANAGEMENT.

UH, WE ARE, UH, ACTIVELY PURSUING ADDITIONAL GRANT FUNDING.

WE'RE APPLICABLE, UH, WE APPLIED FOR A CHARGING AND FUELING INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT, UH, THAT IS A COMMUNITY, UH, FOCUSED, UH, CHARGING STATIONS, UH, WITH THE INTENT OF THAT, UH, GRANT IF AWARDED WOULD BE TO PROVIDE, UH, CHARGING STATIONS AT, UH, POSSE OR NOT POSSE GROUNDS.

UM, THE, THE, UH, COMMUNITY PUBLIC LIBRARY, UH, THE, UH, NAVAJO LOFTS AND VILLAS ON SHELBY AND MISSING ONE OF 'EM.

BUT, UH, ESSENTIALLY APPLYING IT WITHIN THOSE LOCATIONS THAT, THAT GRANT HAD AN 80, 80 20 SPLIT WHERE 80% FUNDED IF WE WERE AWARDED FOR THAT.

UM, AND SO WE'RE, UH, SHOULD HEAR BY ON THAT ONE, UH, IDEALLY HERE AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

SO, UH, WE'LL SEE HOW WE'RE ACTIVELY, UH, WE'RE, UH, VERY, VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT ONE.

AND WE PARTNERED WITH THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF FOR, FOR THAT GRANT APPLICATION, UH, AS WELL.

AND SO, UH, ON AN ADDITIONAL TO THAT ONE, WE ALSO APPLIED FOR THE ARIZONA, UM, ENERGY EFFICIENCY CONSERVATION BLOCK GRANT, UH, FOR ESSENTIALLY FOR A LOT THE, UH, DECARBONIZATION PLANNING AND ROAD MAPPING EFFORTS.

AND SO THAT, UH, WE SHOULD HEAR BACK ON THAT GRANT, I BELIEVE FIRST PART OF THE, OF THIS NEXT YEAR AS WELL.

UH, AND THEN THERE IS A PROTECT GRANT, UH, THAT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING, UH, TO COLLABORATE WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON TO SEE, UH, IF WE CAN, UH, BRING IN ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, UH, AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE LIKE.

AND SO WE'RE ACTIVELY TRYING TO EXPAND, UH, ON OUR GRANT, UH, GRANT ABILITIES OR WHATNOT, OR FUNDS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ATTRACT FOR THE, THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT.

WELL, ALRIGHT, FINAL QUESTIONS.

ANYTHING ELSE THAT COVERS IT? YEP.

OKAY, THEN WE'RE ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING UP HERE.

HOPE YOU FEEL BETTER SOON.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

FLEET MANAGEMENT.

WAS THAT NEXT? UM, OR WAS IT SOMETHING ELSE? EXCUSE ME.

WE DID HAVE A SLIDE IN HERE TOUCHING ON HOUSING, NOT KNOWING WHAT PATH YOU ALL WERE GONNA GO ON YOUR DISCUSSION WHEN JEANIE WAS UP, UM, EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON.

UM, THIS ONE CAN BE VERY QUICK.

JAMIE'S HERE BASICALLY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THIS, THESE ARE THE, UM, INITIATIVE AREAS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF WHAT DIRECTION WE'RE HEADED WITH THE PROGRAM.

ARE WE ALLOWED TO KNOW THE RESULTS OF THE TWO O'CLOCK DEADLINE OR SOME SKETCHY DETAILS OF IT? YOU MEAN IN TERMS OF JUST HOW MANY RESPONSES? YEAH.

DO YOU KNOW? I DO HAVE THE RESULTS.

YOU CAN'T SAY WHO BID THOUGH.

HMM.

YOU CAN'T SAY WHO BID THOUGH.

I CAN GIVE A NUMBER.

JUST GIVE US NUMBERS.

UH, SO WE DID HAVE SEVEN PROPOSAL SUBMISSIONS.

SO WE'RE LIKE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

UM, OKAY.

SO HOW ARE WE ALL DOING? WE'RE GOOD.

AND WORKING COLLABORATIVELY TO BUILD THE CAPACITY OF OUR LOCAL AND REGIONAL NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS TO PROVIDE BETTER, UH, BETTER SERVICE, UM, TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO VERY BRIEF.

UM, I DO, UH, JUST WANT TO REITERATE, WE HEARD, UM, FROM HOUSING AT LENGTH EARLIER, SO, UM, I'LL MAKE THIS VERY BRIEF.

UH, BASICALLY WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, INTEND TO CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR, UH, THESE REGIONAL HOUSING SOLUTIONS.

UM, IN TERMS OF THE, UH, STRATEGIC PLAN TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS.

WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO A LOT MORE WORK ON THAT.

AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR BUY-IN FROM OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS.

UM, THE SEDONA, THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, THE A DO FUNDING, UH, WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES, THAT IS A THING.

UM, AGAIN, EXPLORING THE REGIONAL, EXPLORING AND DEVELOPING THE REGIONAL COLLABORATIONS THAT, UH, WILL ADDRESS HOUSING RELATED SERVICES AND STRATEGIES

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UM, THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO THE COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING, UM, STRATEGY OR PLAN, WHICH IS NOT ON THIS SLIDE.

UM, AND WILL WOULD LIKE TO ALSO CONTINUE THE COLD WEATHER EMERGENCY PROGRAM AND LOOK FOR A WAY TO REALLY MAKE IT WORK.

SO THAT'S ON, UH, PRIORITY LIST.

AND, UH, THEN FINALLY GIVEN, UM, OH, I ALSO DID WANT TO MENTION THAT WITH THE HOUSING STRATEGY AND THE PLAN TO, OF COURSE I MENTIONED EARLIER THE, UM, COLLABORATIONS WITH OUR ACADEMIC NEIGHBORS.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I MENTIONED THAT THIS WOULD ALSO INFORM REGULAR HOUSING ASSESSMENTS.

THERE IS A DIRECTIVE FROM THE, UM, STATE, THE STATE HAS INDICATED THAT THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT, UM, UNI MUNICIPALITIES PERFORM HOUSING ASSESSMENTS EVERY FIVE YEARS.

AND SO THIS KIND OF DATA WOULD HELP TO EFFECTIVELY INFORM, YOU KNOW, THOSE HOUSING ASSESSMENTS.

AND THEN FINALLY, UH, GIVEN THE IMPORTANCE OF HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND, SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THAT AND ALSO TO ENABLE IT PERHAPS TO, UM, ALLOW POTENTIAL LAND ACQUISITION ALONG, UM, WITH THE LOAN FACTOR.

AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I GOT.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ALONG WITH THE LOAN FACTOR? WELL, WHAT I MEAN IS RIGHT NOW THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND IS FOR EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE LOAN FOR LOANING.

IT'S RE IT'S A LOAN RESERVE.

UM, THERE IS NOT A, A LINE ITEM.

THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT AN AMOUNT OR RESERVE FOR LAND ACQUISITION.

WELL, MAYBE THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE A SPECIFIC AMOUNT, MAYBE JUST OPEN IT UP AND THAT WAY WE CAN USE IT FOR WHATEVER COMES OUR WAY.

UM, IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

AND THAT'S ACTUALLY FAIRLY EASY AS YOU JUST DECIDE IN THE BUDGET WHAT YOUR PURPOSE IS.

AND YOU CAN SAY, WE'RE BUDGETING THIS MONEY THIS YEAR, WE'RE ALLOCATING IT WITHIN THE BUDGET FOR THE NEEDS OF HOUSING, WHATEVER.

AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF IT ALL BEING SPENT IN ONE YEAR IS LIKE VERY SLIM.

BUT YOU WOULD BE BUDGETING FOR LIKE, THE POTENTIAL OF VARIOUS THINGS THAT WOULD HAPPEN, WHICH IS OF COURSE REALLY BECAUSE WE'RE IN ARIZONA AND WE CAN'T AMEND THE BUDGET AND SAY LET'S GO AHEAD AND SPEND SOME OF THESE RESERVES.

SO YEAH.

JEANNIE IS THE, UH, IS NORTHERN ARIZONA HOUSING SOLUTIONS, THEY'RE JUST, DID THIS CONVERSION IN COTTONWOOD, ARE THEY LOOKING IN SEDONA FOR POTENTIAL CONVERSION OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL? YES, THEY ARE.

ANY QUESTIONS? FINAL QUESTIONS? YEAH, JUST ONE, BARBARA, WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT HOW TO HANDLE BUDGET FOR WHAT COULD BE LAND ACQUISITION, LIKE ANYTHING THAT COMES UP THAT WE JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

SO YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULD ADD THAT INTO THE BUDGET.

SO IF OUR BUDGET'S ALREADY A HUNDRED MILLION NOW WE'RE GONNA SAY IT'S 110 AND 10 OF IT, WE MAY NEVER SPEND, BUT IT'S STILL REFLECTS IN THEORY A HIGHER BUDGET.

IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? I DON'T, WELL, I GUESS I COULD LET MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS, THE 100 MILLION BUDGET, WHAT THAT CAPTURES, IT ALREADY INCLUDES THAT RESERVE.

ALL WE'RE SAYING IS PUT IT IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY IN THE BUDGET SO YOU CAN ACCESS IT DURING THE YEAR.

WHEN IT'S IN THE RESERVE, YOU CAN'T ACCESS IT.

SO THE NET EFFECT ON THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE BUDGET WOULD, THERE WOULDN'T BE ONE.

BUT THE, BUT THE HOUSING FUND THAT WE HAVE NOW, WE WERE TOLD EARLIER, CAN ONLY BE USED FOR LOANS.

AND IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET.

YES, CORRECT.

IT'S IN THE BUDGET.

IT IN THE BUDGET.

IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT IN THE OPERATING BUDGET.

IT'S IN RIGHT NOW.

THE, NOW THE QUESTION, WOULD IT BE IN THE OPERATING BUDGET IF WE DID A FLEXIBLE THING, CORRECT.

YEAH, IT WOULD SO THE OPERATING BUDGET WOULD GO CATEGORIZING IT.

TO THE COLD WEATHER PROGRAM WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WE SAID WE DIDN'T GET ANY BUY-IN FROM ANY HOTELS OR ANYBODY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NEW GUY, NEW GUY.

UM, GOING BACK

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UM, WHY AREN'T WE LOOKING AT LIKE THE HUB OR THE SPACE OVER AT POSSE GRANDE PARK? UM, I HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT.

I MEAN, I LIVE RIGHT OVER THERE.

UM, I KNOW THERE'S THE, THE NIMBY CONCERN, BUT THAT IS MY BACKYARD.

AND IF PEOPLE ARE COLD AND I MEAN, HELL, I WAS COLD IN HERE A COUPLE HOURS AGO UNTIL JOANNE TURNED THE THERMOSTAT OUT.

BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I JUST DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE OPENING ITS LOBBY TO YEAH.

I DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA.

I MEAN, WE HAVE SPACE.

THERE IS SPACE THAT I THINK IS USABLE AND I DON'T KNOW A QUESTION FOR KURT.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE OUR SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY STARTS AND STOPS IN TERMS OF PREMISES LIABILITY.

IF WE LET SOMEBODY STAY IN THE HUB AT NIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT HOTELS NOT WANTING TO LET PEOPLE IN BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ONE WHO WAS GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING THAT GETS DAMAGED.

WELL, I MEAN, IF WE HAVE SPACE WE CAN USE, WHY AREN'T WE USING IT? WHAT IF IT WAS LIKE AN FOR AN EMERGENCY SITUATION? OH, AN EMERGENCY.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT OPENING A SHELTER.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SETTING UP A SQUATTER'S.

OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE UNDER THESE CONDITIONS, RIGHT? THE, THE SAME PEOPLE THAT THE POLICE MIGHT BE PUTTING IN THE LOBBY, YOU'RE SAYING MAYBE THERE'S A DIFFERENT LOCATION YEAH.

DIFFERENT PLACE.

WHY? YEAH, WE DON'T NEED A HOTEL TO BUY IN IF WEVE GOT SUSPECT CITY PROPERTY THAT WE CAN USE.

I SUSPECT, I SUSPECT THAT SOME OF OUR DECISION IS THAT THE LOBBY OUTSIDE THE POLICE IS THEY, THEY'RE PEOPLE AROUND THERE.

AND SO IT'S NOT A UNOBSERVED.

IF WE DID IT ANYWHERE ELSE, THEN THERE MIGHT BE A STAFFING IMPACT.

YEAH, NO, AND I, AND I GET THAT, BUT I MEAN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE POLICE LOBBY FITS LIKE TWO PEOPLE IN IT RIGHT.

AS WELL.

THE OTHER THING IS HAD NO BATHROOMS. RIGHT.

EXACTLY.

WHEREAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE HUB OR THE REC ROOM.

YEAH, THE RECREATION ROOM OVER AT THE PARK.

I MEAN I, MY WIFE USED TO WATCH KIDS JUMP THEIR BIKES BACK IN BETWEEN THE ROOFS OF THE TWO BUILDINGS.

SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE DAMAGE COULD BE DONE TO THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, BUT I MEAN, I JUST, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THINGS THAT WE COULD BE USING AND WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK TO THE, WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK TO OUR HOTEL INDUSTRY OR TO OUR CHURCHES TO PROVIDE FOR THESE PEOPLE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT LIKE EVERY NIGHT, THIS IS NOT, LET'S OPEN A SAFE PLACE TO PARK IT POSSIBLY.

NO, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I MEAN, WE HAVE NIGHTS WHEN IT'S FREEZING OUT, COLD OUT, WE OUGHT TO BE DOING SOMETHING.

MELISSA, UM, WANT THAT.

I SUSPECT THAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE STAFF THERE BECAUSE IT'S ON, IT'S ON PUBLIC PROPERTY IN SECOND.

YOU'D WANT THAT STAFF TRAINED TO BE ABLE TO DO DEAL WITH ANY OF THE ISSUES.

SO YOU'RE BASICALLY GOING BACK TO RELATIONSHIP WE HAD WITH THE, UM, VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION.

DID I GET THAT RIGHT? YES.

UM, FROM COTTONWOOD WHEN THEY WERE GONNA DO SAFE PLACE TO PARK.

SO WE WOULD, I I THINK WE WOULD, WE'D WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE SAFE.

IF YOU'VE GOT MORE THAN ONE PERSON IN THAT AREA, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE OUR, OUR PROPERTY IS SAFE.

UM, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE CORRECT.

AND SO I THINK WE'D NEED TRAINED STAFF OR SOME RELATIONSHIP WITH SOMEBODY WHO IS TRAINED IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

AND I, I I GUESS ANNETTE YOU WANTED TO CHIME IN? WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED TO DESIGN A PROGRAM LIKE IN THE MOMENT HERE, BUT IF THE, THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF EMERGENCY WARMING SHELTER SITES OR EMERGENCY COOLING IN THE OPPOSITE, IN THE PEAK OF SUMMER, UM, THOSE MODELS EXIST.

THEY'RE PROGRAMS THAT A O SUPPORTS.

UM, WE CAN, IF, IF THIS IS LIKE A GENERAL KIND OF HEAD NOD, A STAFF CAN GO EVALUATE LIKE WHAT'S AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION ON CITY OWNED PROPERTY, BUT IT WOULD NEED SOME BIT OF FORMALITY TO IT.

UM, GUIDELINES, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER OUR, MAKE SURE OUR INSURANCE COVERS IT, THAT TYPE OF THING.

UM, SO WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK INTO IT AND SEE IF THAT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK TO DO SOMETHING AT THE, I MEAN, HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE? 'CAUSE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HEADED INTO WINTER RIGHT NOW AND THIS IS THE, I DEFER TO JEANIE TO LET ME KNOW THAT.

SAME TOKEN, IF YOU'RE SITTING OUTSIDE FREEZING TRUE.

UM, I, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, I SEE THE VALUE OF, OF YOUR THOUGHT.

UM, BUT AGAIN, UM, I THINK THE STAFFING WOULD BE AN ISSUE AND, UM, SAFETY IN, UM, POTENTIALLY HOUSING, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN, IN A SPACE RATHER THAN IF IT'S A HOTEL ROOM, IT IS A SINGLE, YOU KNOW, SINGLE OCCUPANCY.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THOSE CONSIDERATIONS TO THINK ABOUT.

AND I, I DON'T WANNA DIMINISH THOUGH.

I MEAN THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE IMPORTANT FACTORS OBVIOUSLY, BUT BY THE

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I, I THINK, I MEAN, THE QUESTION IS, YOU SAID THERE WAS ALL THAT TO THINK ABOUT, BUT HOW LONG TO THINK ABOUT, 'CAUSE I GUESS I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME BACK FOR SOME CONSIDERATION.

SO, SO I DON'T KNOW.

SO IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, COUNCIL WANTS TO HEAR, WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING SOMETHING BACK IN JAN IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, PERIOD IN JANUARY.

AS LONG AS I'VE NOT MISSED THE TRANSMITTAL DEADLINE FOR THAT, I GUESS I'D WANT TO ASK, I SUSPECT THAT WHAT THE CHIEF TOLD US, WERE A POLICE OFFICER OUT THERE, FIND SOME REALLY SYMPATHETIC CASE AND THEY DECIDE THAT THEY MIGHT WANNA PUT 'EM IN THE LOBBY.

I THINK THAT HAPPENS RARELY.

RARELY, RIGHT? I I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THAT HAPPENS.

NO, BUT I DO KNOW, UH, OR JOANNE LET ME KNOW THAT IN THE TIMES THAT THAT'S HAPPENED, THEY UNLOCKED THE BATHROOMS AND STUFF, WHAT PEOPLE USE IT.

SO I, THE QUESTION I WANNA ASK IN THAT MAYBE YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT IS, HAS, HAVE YOU AS THE CITY MANAGER, HAVE WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION INTERNALLY ABOUT IS THE LOBBY THE BEST PLACE OR IS THERE ANOTHER PLACE IN THE CITY TO DO IT? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT AN EXPANDED PROGRAM, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY YEAH.

EMERGENCY, WHATEVER IT IS THAT THE POLICE ARE USING FOR THEIR OWN , YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY USING FOR IDENTIFYING FOLKS THAT NEED THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE.

I HAVEN'T BEEN A PART OF THAT DISCUSSION SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST OR HAPPENED BETWEEN PD AND HOUSING.

YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I JUST WOULD SUSPECT JUST A SUSPICION HERE THAT JEANIE WOULD BE MOTIVATED TO HELP A BIGGER GROUP OF PEOPLE THAN MAYBE THE POLICE OFFICERS DO FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.

AND WE SEE A GROWTH IN A SERVICE DELIVERED.

AND THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING, BUT IT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW.

IT, IT'S JUST A COMPLICATING FACTOR JUST TO THAT AS WELL.

I THINK THAT IN THE PAST THERE HAVE EXISTED PROGRAMS. SO YES, I THINK IT'S HAPPENED RARELY THAT THE POLICE HAVE HAD TO PUT SOMEBODY IN THE LOBBY.

BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THERE WERE EITHER THE CITY OR A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION OFFERING A WAY TO ACCESS A HOTEL ROOM.

THAT THE PROBLEM FOR ME NOW IS THAT THAT NO LONGER EXISTS, THAT'S NOT BEING OFFERED IN THE CITY.

SO THAT EMERGENCY, THAT VALVE SAFETY VALVE THAT WAS THERE FOR SOMEBODY NO LONGER EXISTS.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S CRITICAL, I THINK TIME-WISE, CRITICAL AS WELL, WHICH IS WHY YES, WHAT'S THE BEST PLACE TO PUT SOMEBODY IN A CRITICAL NEED IN A VERY TEMPORARY EMERGENCY SITUATION.

AND I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT NEEDS SOME IMMEDIATE DECIPHERING.

SO COUNSEL, IF I, IF I MAY OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE SUGGESTION.

UM, AND THIS WOULD BE TO TAKE THE, TAKE THE, THE MONEY, ALLOCATE IT FOR COLD WEATHER PROGRAM, UM, CONTRACT WITH A, WITH A NONPROFIT PARTNER TO MANAGE THAT PROGRAM, WORK WITH THE NONPROFIT PARTNER AND THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT TO KIND OF COORDINATE THAT AND WORK WITH A HOTEL TO BE ABLE TO HOUSE THEM IN A TEMPORARY, YOU KNOW, HO HOTEL OVERNIGHT.

SO, SO IT IS AN ALTERNATIVE.

AND UM, KURT MAY WISH TO JUMP IN ON THAT IN TERMS OF, UH, LI GIFT CLAUSE, UM, OR LIABILITY, UM, DISCUSSION THAT IF YOU WANT, IT CAN BE, IT CAN BE MANAGED, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.

SO IF THAT WAS GONNA GO, WE CAN DISCUSS, UH, FURTHER HOW TO, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE SOME LIABILITY ISSUES AND CONCERNS, BUT IF A HOTEL WON'T COOPERATE, I MEAN, WE SHOULDN'T JUST SAY, OH, WELL OKAY, NOTHING, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I MEAN, THERE IS SPACE.

UM, IF WE HAD A LOCAL NONPROFIT THAT WAS WILLING TO SUPERVISE IT IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, AND MAYBE IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE THE POLICE OFFICER WOULD HAVE TO BE THE PERSON THAT REFERS SOMEBODY IN, AND HOPEFULLY THE POLICE OFFICER WOULD MAKE THE JUDGMENT CALL THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY, THIS GUY IS, YOU KNOW, HE NEEDS THIS AND HE'S NOT GOING TO ATTACK THE OTHER PERSON IN THE ROOM.

AND WE PUT IT, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING THROUGH AN EMOTIONAL HEALTH CRISIS, I WOULD HOPE THEY WOULD CALL SPECTRUM OR SOMEBODY ELSE AND NOT JUST SHOVE THEM IN A ROOM WITH THREE OTHER PEOPLE.

UM, BUT I MEAN, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING.

AND WHETHER IT HAPPENS RARELY OR NOT, I MEAN, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, ONCE IT'S TOO MANY, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S JOB TO HOUSE PEOPLE IN THEIR LOBBY.

UM, WHEN THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS, THAT'S JUST FINE.

ALRIGHT, WE'RE GETTING DOWN TO THE, OKAY.

CLOSE TO THE FINAL HOUR.

SO, I'M SORRY, ONE MORE THING ON THAT.

THE OTHER PROGRAM THAT I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO ADDRESS IS A, IS LIKE A SHOWER PROGRAM.

BECAUSE WE HAD IT IN COOPERATION WITH THE SCHOOL ONE YEAR.

IT WORKED WELL.

WE ARE NO ABLE, NO LONGER ABLE TO

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USE THAT FACILITY BECAUSE THAT WAS THE SCHOOL'S DETERMINATION.

UM, BUT THERE'S NOWHERE, AND THAT'S AGAIN, A PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE WHEN PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, CAN'T HAVE ACCESS TO HYGIENE, UM, THIS IS HOW WE SPREAD ISSUES, RIGHT? UH, SO I, THAT'S ANOTHER PROGRAM.

THERE'S THE CRITICAL FREEZING TO DEATH PROGRAM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY, BUT ALSO WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT A SOLUTION FOR, UNTIL WE HAVE A BIGGER SOLUTION WHERE PEOPLE CAN ACCESS SIMPLE HYGIENIC NEEDS, BATHROOM FACILITIES, SHOWER FACILITIES.

THANK YOU KATHY.

ALRIGHT, WELL WRAP UP, UH, THAT LIST.

YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? UH, JEANIE? NO, I THINK THAT COVERS IT.

ANNETTE, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH FOR THIS? I BELIEVE SO.

NOW, SO WE HAVE, UM, TWO MORE.

TWO MORE ITEMS AND THEN COUNCIL TOPICS.

AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

SO FLEET MANAGEMENT IS SOMETHING I'VE HEARD BOTH FROM COUNCIL AND FROM STAFF AS BEING ISSUE LIKE SHOULD WE BE LEASING VEHICLES VERSUS BUYING THEM OUTRIGHT? SO WE ARE WORKING ON A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF THAT MODEL TO SORT OF DETERMINE IF IT IS REALLY BENEFITING US OR IF WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF MANAGING OUR OWN FLEET.

UM, AND WE HAD A, A MEETING WITH ALL OF THE INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS, WHICH WENT REALLY WELL.

UM, I DIDN'T REALIZE QUITE HOW DECENTRALIZED OUR FLEET WAS TO THE POINT THAT JOANNE WAS MANAGING PART OF THE FLEET.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, POLICE PUBLIC.

IT WAS IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, MORE DECENTRALIZED THAN IS IDEAL.

UM, I THINK WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT NEEDS TO PROPERLY MANAGE OUR FLEET, EVEN WITH THE ENTERPRISE CONTRACT.

I, I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF KIND OF ONGOING PAIN POINTS, IF YOU WILL, WITH STAFF WHERE THEY'RE JUST LIKE, WE HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO PRESCOTT, WE HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO PEORIA.

WE HAVE TO GO TO FLAGSTAFF TO DO VARIOUS THINGS BECAUSE THERE, THERE AREN'T THE FACILITIES LOCALLY TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE NEED WITHIN THAT CONTRACT.

UM, WE MAY BE ABLE TO CHANGE THAT A LOT WILL DEPEND ON THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS.

UM, CAPITAL INVESTMENTS FOR FLEET, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE CONTINUING WITH CHARGING STATIONS, UM, AND WE ARE EVALUATING HOW WE SHOULD TIME REPLACEMENT OF THE FLEET.

WE DO HAVE AN EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND THAT WE PUT MONEY IN EVERY YEAR.

IT'S JUST NOT DESIGNATED TO LIKE SPECIFIC, LIKE IT'S FOR THIS, IT'S FOR THIS, BUT WE, WE DO PUT MONEY IN THERE AND MOST OF IT IS KIND OF BASED ON FLEET.

UM, HOWEVER, A LOT OF OUR FLEET IS PRETTY OLD AND WE WOULD BE BETTER SERVED TO, TO HAVE A BETTER REPLACEMENT SORT OF SCHEDULE.

SO PART OF OUR ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN, UH, POLICY THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WILL BE SORT OF DETERMINING THOSE LIVES.

WHAT'S A USEFUL LIFE OF A POLICE VEHICLE VERSUS A POOLED VEHICLE? WELL, POOLED VEHICLES PROBABLY 10 YEARS OR MORE BECAUSE WE DON'T USE IT TERRIBLY MUCH.

A POLICE VEHICLE ON THE OTHER HAND, LIKE BEST PRACTICES THREE YEARS, UM, WHICH SEEMS LIKE SUPER SHORT, BUT WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT THEY'RE USED ALMOST 24 HOURS AND THEY RUN ALL THE TIME WHEN THEY'RE BEING USED ON SHIFT, EVEN IF IT'S A TAKE HOME VEHICLE AND THEY ONLY DRIVE IT FOR WORK WHEN THEY'RE AT WORK, THEY'RE BASICALLY IDLING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT TIME, WHICH IS REALLY CHALLENGING FOR VEHICLE MAINTENANCE.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THESE THINGS.

I'VE SET UP A FLEET MANAGEMENT THING BEFORE, SO IT'S KIND OF EXCITING TO LIKE LOOK AT IT AGAIN.

OF COURSE I GET ALL EXCITED ABOUT IT 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW ME.

UM, AND I THINK ACTUALLY THE REST OF OF THE DIRECTORS ARE REALLY KIND OF ALL IN ON GETTING US TO A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE A REALLY SOLID FLEET MANAGEMENT PLAN.

SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? GOOD FOR YOU, BARBARA.

OH, THANK YOU.

IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ALL FUN.

I LIKE YOUR DEFINITION OF A GOOD TIME.

I KNOW, RIGHT? YEAH.

REDEFINE GOOD TIMES.

IS THAT WHAT I'M DOING INSTEAD? SO THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT.

ALRIGHT, GREAT.

THE SPRING, MAYBE SUMMER.

AND SORT OF THAT LEADS INTO, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT POLICY FOR ASSET MANAGEMENT.

WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON A SPECIFIC FLEET MANAGEMENT POLICY.

YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE NEW SINGLE AUDIT POLICY.

YOU SHOULD GET THE DEBT POLICY ON ONE 14 AND THEN THE RESERVE POLICY WILL FOLLOW THAT.

AND PURCHASING POLICY, WE ANTICIPATE IN

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SO WE'RE WORKING ON A LOT OF POLICY UPDATES.

AND IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT OUR CURRENT POLICIES AREN'T GOOD.

I THINK THEY ARE, I THINK THINK THEY JUST NEED TWEAKING TO REALLY ADDRESS WHERE WE ARE AS A CITY TODAY.

QUESTION, THIS IS FOR ANNETTE.

UM, CAN WE GET A VERSION OF THIS DECK THAT ACTUALLY HAS ALL THE TEXT IN IT? I MEAN, WE'RE MISSING SO MUCH TEXT.

YEAH, I NOTICED THAT WHEN I PULLED UP THE PACKET, UH, ONLINE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS LIKE A CONVERSION PROBLEM WHEN IT WAS WENT TO PDF AND IT LET, 'CAUSE I WAS HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM.

SO I WENT INTO THE PRESENTATION FOLDER, BUT WE WILL REPLACE IT.

WE CAN'T GIVE IT TO END, SO MY APOLOGIES FOR THAT.

I MEAN, AS A NORMAL COURSE, JOE WILL BE POSTING IN PRINT.

WE'LL, WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE, UM, PRESENTATION MATERIALS IN THE MEETING FOLDER ONLINE.

BUT IF SOMEBODY GOES TO THE PACKET, THEY'RE GONNA GET THE WRONG SLIDE DECK.

IF THEY GO TO THE, THEY CAN GO TO THE COMPLETE PACKET AND IN THAT SAME AREA, THEY CAN GO TO THE PRESENTATION MATERIALS.

WE GENERALLY DON'T UPDATE A PACKET ONCE IT'S BEEN PUBLISHED FROM THE DATE THAT IT'S BEEN PUBLISHED.

THAT'S NOT BEEN OUR PRACTICE.

CAN'T WE JUST HAVE A COPY OF THIS? WELL, WE, WE CAN EMAIL IT TO, TO COUNSEL AND THEN FOR PUBLIC, WE PUT THOSE MATERIALS IN THE PRESENTATION MATERIALS.

MY CONCERN IS THAT IF SOMEONE ONLY GOES TO THE ONLINE PACKET AND THEY DON'T KNOW THE GO TO THE PRESENTATION, THEY'LL GET THE INCOMPLETE VERSION AS ALL.

THAT'S OUR CONCERN AS WELL.

UM, I'M MAYBE CAN PUT, UH, ADDENDUM? NO, I'M THINKING THAT I CAN PUT, UM, JUST, UM, SEE PRESENTATION MATERIALS FOR AN UPDATED VERSION, UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS DOCUMENT.

ONLINE AND THEN JUST REPOST THAT.

WILL THAT WORK? OKAY, THANK YOU.

SO THAT WAS THAT.

UM, SO AGAIN, WE PREPARED THIS EARLY ON BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL THAT I HEARD.

I THINK WE HAVE, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS NOT PREVIOUSLY COVERED, THAT'S BECAUSE THESE WERE ITEMS WE DIDN'T HAVE IN SPECIFIC SLIDES EARLIER.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE TOUCHED ON, UH, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ON HERE EXCEPT FOR AIRPORT REZONING AND CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT INITIATIVE.

SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE FOLLOW ON TO THE DECISION OF THE COUNCIL ABOUT, UM, LEAVING THE AIRPORT GOVERNANCE AS IS, IS STILL THAT, UH, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE AIRPORT ON THE NEXT STEPS RELATED TO THE ZONING OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT THEY OWN, BUT ALSO WITHIN THE AREA OF FLIGHT APPROACHES, ET CETERA.

THE FAA WANTS US TO ADDRESS.

AND, UM, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE CITY BE THE APPLICANT FOR THE ZONING, UM, ESTABLISHMENT AND MANAGE THE PROCESS THROUGH THE PNZ INSTEAD OF THE AIRPORT.

SO THAT WILL BE HAPPENING.

UM, AND THEN CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT INITIATIVES, I'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COUNSELORS THAT THERE'S AN INTEREST IN, YOU KNOW, UPPING OR REVAMPING OR REINVIGORATING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR GENERAL CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT TYPE ACTIVITIES THROUGH OUR, UM, COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT.

SO I HAVE TALKED TO LAUREN ABOUT THAT.

UM, WE TOUCHED ON, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION, MA'AM? IS LAUREN FULLY STAFFED NOW THAT SHE CAN I BELIEVE SO.

GO BACK AND YEAH, I THINK SPEND MORE TIME ON COMMUNICATIONS.

I BELIEVE SO, YEAH.

AND THE, I THINK IT WAS JUST GETTING OVER THE INITIAL HUMP OF ESTABLISHING THE TOURISM PROGRAM, GETTING THE TAB UP AND RUNNING, GETTING THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, THE LOGO, THE, ALL THESE THINGS THAT, UM, TO GET THAT UP AND RUNNING AND THEN HOPEFULLY SHE'LL, I DON'T KNOW, I'M SEEING SOME LOOKS ON FACES THAT MAYBE THAT ISN'T THE CASE, BUT, UM, , I, ANYWAY, SHE AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HER GETTING BACK INTO MORE OF THE COMMUNICATION SIDE OF THE, OF THE EQUATION.

SO NO COMMENT OVER THERE OR, BUT WE, I I WAS JUST REMINDED ABOUT, UM, THE COUNSELOR TO MY RIGHT, HIS REACTION TO THE LOGO.

OH, WHEN YOU SAID HE WAS, WE WERE OVER THE HUMP WITH THE LOGO.

SHE'S TRYING TO PROVOKE ME INTO BEING QUOTABLE IS WHAT'S GOING ON.

I'M SORRY.

ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO PAY DOWN RETIREMENT LIABILITIES LIKE YOU DID IN THE CURRENT YEAR WITH THE, UM, POLICE RETIREMENT FUND.

I, I MISINTERPRETED THAT AS MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE.

UM, AND THEN, UH, COUNSELOR FURMAN HAD ASKED, UM, BARBARA AND I ABOUT, UM, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET, POTENTIALLY

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AND, UM, BARBARA'S TAKEN A LOOK AT THAT AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, THAT IS A DIFFERENT, UM, ANIMAL SO TO SPEAK.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE THAT SAME LEVEL OF OBLIGATION LIKE WE DO IN THE POLICE SIDE.

UM, AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT LAND ACQUISITION.

WE, WE HAVE A OBLIGATION.

IT'S JUST NOT AS EASILY PARSED OUT TO WHAT OUR OBLIGATION IS.

IT'S A DIFFERENT, IT'S A, IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMAL.

UM, SO I THINK I'VE TOUCHED ON WHAT, UH, EVERYTHING I HEARD BEFORE THE RETREAT, THE ONE THAT YOU DID ASK US TO COME BACK TODAY THAT ANDY'S PREPARED FOR, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH ALL OF THESE ITEMS BEING ADDRESSED ALREADY.

UM, WHAT IS STRONG TOWNS? THAT IS THE REFERENCE THAT COUNSELOR FURMAN HAD TO, UM, HELPING WITH BIG PLANNING INITIATIVES THAT, UM, LOOKING AT FORM-BASED CODES, THAT TYPE OF THING, SUPPORT AN ENTITY THAT WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF, UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AS A RESOURCE FOR PLANNING EFFORTS.

IT, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR ALL FREE TIME IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO JUST PERUSE THIS STRONG TOWNS.ORG WEBSITE.

CHUCK MARONE HAS BEEN DOING REALLY AMAZING THINGS SINCE I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING HIM SINCE 2008.

HE REALLY STARTED OFF AT HOW CITIES CAN DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT HAS RECENTLY MOVED INTO, THEN THEY REALLY GOT INTO THE PARKING MINIMUMS THING AND STRODE WHAT THEY CALL STREETS VERSUS ROADS AND HOW CITIES THINK ABOUT THEIR TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.

THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF WORK AROUND HOUSING NOW.

IT'S REALLY INTERESTING THAT THEY'RE, UH, I MEAN A LOT, IT'S A NATIONAL ORGANIZATION WITH LOTS OF PLANT FOLKS, BUT THEY'RE MOSTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NEW THINKING AND A LITTLE CONTROVERSIAL THINKING FOR SURE.

BUT I MEAN, IT'S, CHUCK'S GOT TWO OR THREE BOOKS OUT NOW AND IT'S REALLY BEEN AN INTERESTING SOURCE OF INSPIRATION AND THOUGHT FOR ME SINCE I SAID SINCE 2008.

AND I'LL PUT ONE MORE THING OUT THERE.

IT WAS AN ITEM THAT USED TO BE ON OUR LIST.

KAREN AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, UH, CITY AUDIT, CITY AUDITOR, PERFORMANCE AUDIT FUNCTION.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT NOW A NEW FINANCE DIRECTOR AND A NEW CITY MANAGER.

THAT'S MY OBLIGATION, BUT I STILL WANTED TO PLANT THE FLAG THAT, UH, I'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO.

MY INTEREST IS STILL HIGH.

I THINK THE BENEFIT TO THE CITY COULD BE REALLY GREAT AND I CAN'T, WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT ONE.

OKAY, GREAT.

UM, AND THEN WHEN ANDY GETS BACK, BUT WE CAN TEE IT UP.

I HAVE THE, OH, I HAVE THE FUN BALANCE INFORMATION OH, THAT THEY ASKED FOR TOO.

SO WE COULD DO THAT AND THAT'LL BE WELL COMPANION WITH THE CAPITAL.

SO THE, UH, ITEMS YOU ASKED US TO COME BACK WITH THIS AFTERNOON WORK RELATED TO THE CAPITAL BUDGET FOR THE CURRENT YEAR, AS WELL AS KNOWING WHAT OUR ENDING FUND BALANCES ARE.

UM, I THINK THAT WAS COUNSELOR ELLA'S REQUEST.

UM, SO WE'VE GOT THAT.

WE DO, SO I HAVE, UM, MOST OF THE FUNDS, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM.

I JUST DROPPED THEM IN HERE SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THIS.

I THINK THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THING, AND WHAT WE USUALLY TALK ABOUT WHEN WE SAY WE HAVE A SURPLUS IS THIS UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE AMOUNT RIGHT HERE.

THIS 11.2 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND IS WHAT, WHEN YOU SORT OF THINK LIKE WE HAVE FUND BALANCE TO PLAY WITH OR TO ASSIGN TO A PROJECT OR A NEW PROGRAM, THAT'S THE FUND BALANCE THAT'S SORT OF AVAILABLE.

IT'S LIKE YOUR CAPITAL THAT'S AVAILABLE AND, AND IT, YOU KNOW, REP REPRESENTS MONEY THAT'S THERE FOR YOU TO SPEND THAT ISN'T ALREADY ON THE POLICY RESERVE ASSIGNED TO A PROJECT, COMMITTED TO SOMETHING, WHICH IS JUST A, A SLIGHTLY HIGHER LEVEL OF LIKE COUNSEL SAYING IT GOES TO THIS THAN ASSIGNED OR RESTRICTED BY LAW.

AND THEN NONS SPENDABLE IS STUFF LIKE A PREPAID BILL OR IN SOME CASES LIKE ASSETS IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIKE WASTEWATER.

BUT USUALLY THIS 11.2 IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHEN YOU SAY WE HAVE LIKE A SURPLUS, THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE AND THE GENERAL FUND.

AND THIS, IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT HAPPENED HERE, THIS IS THAT TRANSFER TO THE HOUSING FUND THAT WAS MADE.

SO IT'S LIKE, HOLY COW, WHAT DO WE SPEND? NO, NO, NO.

WE JUST MOVED IT.

CURRENT SURPLUS, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE ALLOCATE SOME PORTION OF THE TERMINATING YEAR TOWARDS THE END OF THE TERMINATING YEAR IS WHAT WE'VE DONE, BUT NOT ALL OF IT UNTIL THEN THE NEXT YEAR.

IS THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE, IS THAT OKAY? IS THAT, THAT THAT IS STRICTLY A 20, FISCAL 25? WELL, NO, THE, IS IT THE, THE DIFFERENCE, THE 5.4 IS STRICTLY THE FISCAL 25

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SO IN YOUR CRYSTAL BALL BY THE TIME APRIL OR MAY ROLLS AROUND, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GONNA BE THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE SAYING, HEY, WE SHOULD BE ALLOCATING XX MILLION DOLLARS FOR THIS GO AROUND? WELL, IT'S, YOU'VE GOTTA REALLY HEALTHY UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, WELL ABOVE YOUR 30% POLICY RESERVE.

SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT OBVIOUSLY CAN'T BE ALLOCATED WITHIN THIS FISCAL YEAR, BUT IT CAN NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

AND THERE IS CERTAINLY ROOM WITHIN THERE FOR COUNCIL TO ASSIGN, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS.

IT IS ONE TIME BECAUSE IT'S SURPLUS FROM OPERATIONS.

HOWEVER, UM, THE FACT THAT WE ARE PUTTING SURPLUSES OF THAT LEVEL INTO THE GENERAL FUND BASICALLY SAYS REVENUES ARE HERE AND EXPENDITURES ARE HERE CONSISTENTLY.

SO THERE'S ROOM THEN ACTUALLY TO ADD ONGOING PROGRAMS, LIKE WHEN PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT ADDING A TRAFFIC UNIT OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE BUDGET, THE ONGOING INCREASES LIKE THAT SAY WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO SO WITHOUT IMPACTING OUR POLICY RESERVES OR BEING IN A PLACE WHERE IF WE SAW AN ECONOMIC DOWNTURN, WE WOULD, WE WOULD SUDDENLY BE LIKE, OH MY GOSH, LAYOFFS.

NO, WE'RE IN A REALLY A REALLY GOOD SURPLUS POSITION YEAR AFTER YEAR RIGHT NOW.

UM, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, FISCAL LIKE CAREFUL FISCAL POLICY IS IMPORTANT.

WE NEVER WANNA NOT BE IN THIS POSITION AND WE WANNA BE SURE THAT WHEN THERE IS AN ECONOMIC DOWNTURN, OR GOD FORBID ANOTHER COVID, THAT WE CAN WEATHER THAT STORM AND THE POLICY RESERVE FANTASTIC.

BUT HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL SORT OF BUFFER IS REALLY, REALLY GOOD.

AND YOU TOLD US YESTERDAY THAT CIP PROJECTS WHERE WE DIDN'T SPEND ALL THE MONEY IN THE CURRENT YEAR AND THAT ROLL FORWARD, THAT'S NOT IN THIS UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE.

THIS IS STILL TRUE SURPLUS.

THIS IS TRUE SURPLUS.

AND ACTUALLY THE GENERAL FUND IS THE ONLY FUND, AND THIS IS ACCORDING TO GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING STANDARDS.

THE WAY WE HAVE TO REPORT IT, IT'S THE ONLY FUND IN THE CITY THAT IS ALLOWED TO HAVE SOMETHING CALLED UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE BECAUSE ALL OF THE OTHER FUNDS ARE EITHER A SPECIAL PURPOSE OR AN ENTERPRISE FUND.

YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE, UH, LIKE A DESIGNATED PURPOSE BECAUSE OF THAT, THEIR FUND BALANCE THAT REMAINS IS CONSIDERED ASSIGNED, EVEN THOUGH IT CAN BE A SURPLUS.

THERE'S THIS WEIRD ACCOUNTING RULE THAT SAYS ONLY THE GENERAL FUND IS UNASSIGNED.

EVERYBODY ELSE IS ASSIGNED EVEN IF, BECAUSE IT'S ASSIGNED TO THE PURPOSE OF THE FUND AND THE GENERAL FUND IS THE OVERALL GOVERNMENT.

SO I THINK SOMETIMES FUND BALANCES ARE A LITTLE CONFUSING THAT WAY AND THEY CHANGE THE NOMENCLATURE ALL THE TIME.

AND SO WE'LL GO FROM THIS NOMENCLATURE TO SOMETHING ELSE IN A COUPLE YEARS AND IT'LL JUST BE HELL.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY RANT ABOUT THE GS B.

SO THE STREETS FUND IS AN, IS A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR LIKE, THERE'S, THERE'S FUND BALANCE THAT SAYS ASSIGNED, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT'S ASSIGNED TO A PROJECT.

IT MAY BE, AND I WOULD HAVE TO DIG INTO THIS MORE, BUT BECAUSE IT IS THE STREETS FUND, IT'S ALREADY ASSIGNED TO STREETS.

SO ACCOUNTING WISE, THAT'S HOW WE HAVE TO HAVE TO DO THAT.

AND THEN HOUSING FUND THERE, YOU CAN SEE IN THE ASSIGNED FUND BALANCE, THAT'S THAT BIG TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE STREET FUND FOR A MINUTE? ABSOLUTELY.

WE'VE, WE'VE UH, GENERALLY PUT MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND INTO THE STREETS FUND BECAUSE WE SPEND MORE THAN THAT AMOUNT PER YEAR.

SO IS THERE ENOUGH MONEY IN THE STREETS FUND TO DO THE WORK THIS YEAR OR DO WE HAVE TO MOVE SOME MONEY INTO IT? WELL, IT WOULD'VE ALREADY BEEN MOVED IN, UM, TO ACCOUNT FOR THE EXPENDITURES THAT WE REQUIRE.

SO YOU'RE OKAY.

FOR THIS, FOR THIS BECAUSE WE, YEAH, WE HAVE TO KEEP THE FUND BALANCED WHEN IT'S ADOPTED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

EVERYTHING.

SO THIS JUST TELLS YOU WHAT, UM, CAPACITY THERE IS IN BUILDING THE BUDGET FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

YEAR IS, CAN I, I, THIS IS PROBABLY A REALLY BASIC QUESTION.

BUT THE CURRENT

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I'M SORRY IF I'M NOT CATCHING THIS.

BUT IN THE ORIGINAL, IN THE OVERARCHING SLIDE OF THE FUND BALANCES AND NOW YOU GOT THE STREETS FUND AND THE HOUSING FUND AND WHATEVER FUNDS, HOW ARE THOSE REFLECTED IN THE OVERARCHING FIRST SLIDE? IN THIS ONE? YEAH, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE SEPARATE.

SO THEY'RE COMPLETELY SEPARATE.

THAT'S, I THOUGHT I WAS MISSING SOMETHING COMPLETELY SEPARATE, BUT OKAY.

ON, WHICH IS ACTUALLY PART OF WHAT MAKES , THIS IS JUST GENERAL I GOTCHA.

IS THAT IT IS TRUE SURPLUS.

IT DOESN'T INCLUDE LIKE OTHER STUFF WITHIN IT.

SO NOW I, I WANT TO COMMENT ON THE SLIDE AS WELL THAT THESE ARE, THAT UNASSIGNED FUND, UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE NUMBER IS A BIG NUMBER, BUT MM-HMM .

I, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD THIS BEFORE, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE ALL REMEMBER IT, THAT THERE ARE THINGS IN OUR BUDGET THAT AREN'T REALLY ACCOUNTED FOR.

WELL, THE A RS, THE A RS DEBT LIABILITY IS ONE OF THEM.

THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO SORT OF CARRY THAT DEBT.

THEY, THEY ASK US TO PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT EVERY MORE, BUT IF WE'RE REALLY GOOD ACCOUNTANTS, WE WOULD BE PAYING A LOT MORE THAN WE ARE.

AND THERE ISN'T VERY GOOD MECHANISMS. THERE ARE POTENTIALLY SOME, AND WE'LL HEAR ABOUT THAT PERHAPS DURING THE BUDGET SESSION.

BUT, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD FROM POLICE AND MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT THERE ARE SOME KIND OF NEEDS THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY SHOVED IN THE BUDGET YET AND SHOULD BE SOME OF THESE OPERATING.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF GOVERNMENT IS ACTUALLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WE SHOW EVERY YEAR BECAUSE WE LET THINGS SLIDE.

WE KEEP, WE KEEP PUSHING THEM DOWN.

SO THESE NUMBERS LOOK LARGE, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY AS LARGE AS WE THINK THEY ARE BECAUSE THERE'S STILL LOTS OF NEEDS THAT WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF COMMITTED.

WE'RE, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA BUY POLICE RADIOS, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE GUNS.

WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPAIR OUR BUILDINGS.

WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME STUFF THAT REALLY AREN'T IN OUR BUDGET YET BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT BUDGETING ENVIRONMENT IS IN, IN, IN SEDONA HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, THE MANAGERS LIKE, THEY LAY A LIST OF THINGS THAT THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE IN THEIR DEPARTMENT, AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER SAYS, THAT'S A DUMB IDEA.

THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

BUT I CAN'T SHOVE THAT IN THE BUDGET AT THIS TIME BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.

AND THEY, AND THERE'S LOTS OF THAT CONVERSATION THAT HAS.

SO, BUT IT IS A BIG NUMBER.

IT'S A HUGE NUMBER.

NO, I'M SAYING THAT IT, IT'S REALLY NOT THAT BIG.

WE REALLY SHOULD BE PUTTING MORE MONEY INTO A RS THAN WE ARE.

WE, WE JUST SHOULD.

AND THAT WOULD COME OUT UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE.

WELL, I'M NOT, NOT SURE.

I, I DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE'VE NOT HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.

YEAH, YEAH.

BUT YOU'LL LEARN THAT WE HAVE A BIG DEBT OBLIGATION AND WE'RE JUST NOT REQUIRED TO PAY AS MUCH AS WE SHOULD BE.

WELL, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE BARBARA TO LOOK IT OVER TO WE DISAGREE.

AND THAT'S WHY WE GO THROUGH OUR PROCESS OF WHEN WE GO THUMB UP.

BECAUSE YOU MIGHT WANNA FUND THAT AND SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT WANNA FUND A TRUCK.

I THINK BRIAN'S DYING OF UNDER TRUCK THAT, THAT DEBT, THAT DEBT EXISTS, SNOWBLOWER THAT DEBT EXISTS.

AND SOMEDAY WE'LL HAVE TO PAY IT.

WE MIGHT NOT HAVE TO PAY IT NEXT YEAR BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO, BUT THE DEBT STILL EXISTS AND IT'S ONE OF THE FUNNY THINGS AND IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR.

CAN WE JUST MOVE ON? IT'S GETTING, ACTUALLY IT DOES.

POINT IS MADE.

WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.

SHE'S GONNA SAY SOMETHING.

GSB RULES WERE UPDATED SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

AND IT IS REQUIRED TO BE SHOWN ON THE GOVERNMENT WIDE STATEMENTS AS A LIABILITY.

SO IT IS ON THE FACE OF THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.

THERE YOU GO.

YEAH, IT DIDN'T USED TO BE.

YOU'RE CORRECT.

HERE'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND.

BUT IT, IT IS ON THE FACE OF THE FINANCIALS NOW.

UM, SO MOVING ON, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I KIND OF SHOW YOU THE OTHER, THE OTHER FUNDS.

UM, SO WE'VE GOT NONS SPENDABLE RESTRICTED AND ASSIGNED RESTRICTED IS LEGALLY RESTRICTED, LIKE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS THAT ARE LINKED TO GRANTS OR, YOU KNOW, THING OR THE BONDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MONEY FROM THE BONDS THAT'S STILL SITTING THERE.

THAT'S RESTRICTED BECAUSE WE SAID WE ISSUED IT FOR THIS PURPOSE.

SO LEGALLY THAT'S RESTRICTED, BUT THIS IS WHERE THAT FUND IS SITTING RIGHT NOW.

SO WHY DID IT DECREASE $10 MILLION FROM 23 TO 24? I WOULD SAY WE'VE SPENT, BECAUSE WE ASSIGNED AT THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY WE'VE SPENT IT DOWN, WE'VE DONE A BUNCH OF PROJECTS AND WELL, AND, AND WE ASSIGNED SOME OF IT IN THE LAST GO AROUND.

WE ASSIGNED SOME OF THAT BALANCE OUT.

THAT'S WHY IT WENT DOWN.

I DON'T THINK WE DID.

CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

WE'VE, I KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE ASSIGNED OUT MORE THAN I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH AT THAT TIME, BUT NOW THAT'S THAT.

BUT NOW I'M COMFORTABLE AGAIN, THAT WAS GENERAL FUND, THAT'S NOT CAPITAL.

SO THAT WAS THE AMOUNT OF SPENDING THAT HAPPENED IN BETWEEN JULY 1, 23

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AND JUNE 30, 24.

THAT'S NOT, SINCE, THAT'S NOT THIS YEAR SPENDING IN THE CURRENT YEAR, WHICH AGAIN, WE'RE STILL, UM, COMPLETING PROJECTS.

AND I THINK AS WE GET THESE REALLY BIG PROJECTS DONE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT CONTINUING.

SO, UH, SO WE WON'T HAVE TO TRANSFER IN AS MUCH MONEY.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.

BECAUSE THE SOURCE OF MONEY FOR HERE, IF IT'S NOT THE BONDED DEBT, UM, STILL THAT WE DID, IT'S A TRANSFER IN FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

WE MAKE MONEY IN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR TO PAY FOR THE PROJECT.

SO, YEAH.

YEP, THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THEN HERE'S THE PUBLIC TRANSIT FUND, WHICH IS A, UM, ENTERPRISE FUND, LIKE THE WASTEWATER FUND.

SO IT'S TREATED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, BUT IT STILL HAS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME CATEGORIES.

BUT ONE OF THEIR NONS SPENDABLE CATEGORIES IS PROPERTY, PLANT AND EQUIPMENT, WHICH BASICALLY IS ALL THE ASSETS IN MOST GOVERNMENT FUNDS, EXCEPT FOR ON THE GOVERNMENT WIDE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, WHICH HAVE ALL EVERYTHING PRESENTED LIKE A BUSINESS.

UM, YOU GENERALLY DON'T SEE PROPERTY, PLANT AND EQUIPMENT AS A FUND BALANCE PIECE.

YOU'LL ONLY SEE THAT ON THE, THE FRONT OF THE FINANCIALS.

THERE'S TWO STATEMENTS AT THE BEGINNING THAT CONSOLIDATE ALL OF THE GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS INTO THIS BIG BUSINESS STYLE FINANCIAL STATEMENT, A BALANCE SHEET AND A, AND A STATEMENT OF ACTIVITIES.

UM, WHICH IS AN INCOME STATEMENT, BUT WE COULDN'T POSSIBLY CALL IT THAT.

UM, WE HAD TO MAKE IT MORE COMPLICATED.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL SEE THAT FOR GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS.

BUT THE TRANSIT FUND HAS THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY PLANT AND EQUIPMENT, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS MOSTLY JUST VEHICLES.

THE BUSES.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A FACILITY RIGHT NOW.

IS THE UNASSIGNED MONEY, TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX THAT WASN'T SPENT? OR WHAT IS THAT? UM, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK IT UP AND SEE WHAT EXACTLY THAT UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE IS.

WHAT MAKES THAT UP? UM, I AM NOT SURE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX FUND, WHICH IS WHERE THAT EXTRA PIECE OF, UM, TST GOES.

AND THIS IS ALL, UM, COMMITTED AT THIS TIME.

AND THEN THE COURT RESTRICTED REVENUE FUND, REALLY SMALL FUND, HERE'S WASTEWATER AND THIS IS OUR BIG ENTERPRISE FUND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND THEY HAVE ASSIGNED AN UNASSIGNED AND ALL THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE ENTERPRISE PROPERTY PLAN EQUIPMENT A TON.

UH, AND THEN THEY HAVE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT LEVELS AND THEY HAD, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF A SURPLUS LAST YEAR OPERATIONALLY THAT ADDED 3.3 MILLION TO THEIR UNASSIGNED.

SO CAN I JUST, CAN I JUMP IN FOR A SECOND? MM-HMM .

SO THIS IS WHERE I GET A LITTLE CONFUSED.

SO WE HAVE THESE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, RIGHT? AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE NEED, ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT.

SO THEY ARE RAISING ALL THE INCOME THEY NEED TO MANAGE THEMSELVES.

UM, BUT YEAH, THEY DON'T SEEM TO, WE SEEM TO KEEP MOVING MONEY, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND OVER INTO THE ENTERPRISE FUND IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP WASTEWATER DOING ITS JOB.

UM, IS THERE A TIME LIMIT LEGALLY ON, ON HOW LONG THAT CAN GO ON MOVING FROM GENERAL FUND TO THE ENTERPRISE FUND? NO, THE STATE LAW ACTUALLY SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE SHOWING PROGRESS TOWARDS MOVING TO BEING FULLY SELF-SUFFICIENT IN THOSE FUNDS.

'CAUSE ACTUALLY THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I WONDERED RIGHT AWAY WAS DO WE HAVE A TIME LIMIT? 'CAUSE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET THERE, BUT THERE ISN'T ACTUALLY A TIME LIMIT.

UM, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT REALLY MAKING ANY PROGRESS ON WASTEWATER BEING ABLE TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE DOING THE WASTEWATER FEES ANALYSIS.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS YES, YES.

WE, WE HAVE BEEN DECREASING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE GENERAL FUND PUTS IN THE WASTEWATER FUND, BUT OVER TIME, THAT WON'T BE ABLE TO BE DECREASED FOREVER, UN UNLESS WE ADJUST THE RATES.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

I DON'T CARE FOR THIS LINE THAT SAYS PROPERTY, PLANT AND EQUIPMENT, EVEN THOUGH IT NEEDS TO BE THERE FOR A BALANCE BETWEEN ASSETS, LIABILITIES, AND EQUITY.

YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT FUND IS JUST, IT, IT'S JUST ODD BECAUSE THE PP AND EI MEAN THOSE ARE HARD ASSETS MM-HMM .

RIGHT? AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS CASH, RIGHT? YES.

SO IT'S WEIRD LOOKING AT THAT ON A CONSOLIDATED BASIS, LIKE IN, IN A NORMAL BALANCE SHEET, YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT THAT WAY.

IT IS A VERY STRANGE METHODOLOGY.

UM, THE GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING STANDARDS BOARD HAS SOME REALLY INTERESTING STANDARDS THAT THEY LIKE TO SEE THINGS A CERTAIN WAY.

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LIKE, IT, IT, IT IS PART OF EQUITY, BUT IT'S CHALLENGING WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT AVAILABLE CASH AND THEN YOU'RE LIKE, OH, 107 MILLION, OH, WAH WAH YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY 17.

UM, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS HUGE PIECE THAT IS IN NO WAY LIQUID AND YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PROBABLY NOT SELL FOR $90 MILLION BECAUSE WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? SELL OLD PIPES? LIKE THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK.

SO IT'S, IT'S AN ODD DICHOTOMY, BUT IT IS, UM, THE SAME WAY THAT A BUSINESS WILL REPORT THEIR EQUITY.

THEY'LL HAVE PROPERTY PLANT EQUIPMENT AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF.

UM, I JUST THINK IT'S CHALLENGING IN A GOVERNMENTAL CONTEXT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT FUND BALANCE.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE UNASSIGNED, CAN THE, CAN ROXANNE ASSIGN IT? UM, YES.

IT, I MEAN IT'S AVAILABLE BASICALLY.

I MEAN, SHE CAN'T ASSIGN IT NOW.

SHE COULD ASK FOR IT TO BE ALLOCATED IN THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR, IN THE NEXT CYCLE.

HA HA.

DO YOU, I KNOW YOU BOTH, THIS IS NEW, BUT I WONDER IF THE DIRECTORS OF THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE EVER BEEN ASKED THAT QUESTION.

I MEAN, DO THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN DO THAT? I DON'T KNOW.

THIS IS MY FIRST TIME THROUGH FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE BUDGET PROCESS.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ASKED IN THE PAST REGARDING OUR FUNDS.

WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IF A PUMP BLOWS AND IT'S ALMOST, WHATEVER, HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS MAKE ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS? SOME OF THESE PUMPS RIGHT? THIS WAY THEY KNOW THE MONEY'S THERE AND, BUT THEY CAN'T USE IT.

NO, I KNOW, BUT YEAH.

WELL, AND THERE'S, I MEAN, THERE'S AN EMERGENCY FUND I THINK DOES HAVE LIKE CONTINGENCIES FOR THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

PUMPING STATIONS ARE NOT CHEAP.

UM, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING REHABS.

LIKE SHE TALKED ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY.

I WAS LIKE, OOH, LET ME COME SEE ONE BECAUSE I'M REDEFINING A GOOD TIME.

UM, AND THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN, WE'VE SEEN FUND BALANCES EVERY YEAR AND WE'VE NEVER SEEN IT THIS WAY.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT, THAT YOU ALL KNOW SORT OF THE CASH POSITION OF EACH FUND, AND THEN YOU CAN SORT OF, I THINK IT MAKES FOR MORE COMFORTABLE BUDGETING DECISIONS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU'RE, YOU'RE EVEN GETTING CLOSE TO OVERSPENDING.

LIKE IT'S A MUCH EASIER WAY TO SAY, OKAY, WE ONLY HAVE THIS MUCH, LIKE, LET'S BE REALISTIC ABOUT THIS COOL THING THAT'S LIKE, WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT ISN'T REQUIRED OR ESSENTIAL.

AND I JUST THINK IT HELPS WITH PRIORITIZATION TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE THE MONEY IS AND WHETHER IT'S REALLY AVAILABLE.

LET'S SEE.

ART IN PUBLIC PLACES.

JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD ONE BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT ART.

UM, THERE'S NOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THERE, BUT IT IS, IT IS IN THERE.

AND THEN, OH, THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE FUNDS, BECAUSE I KNOW WE WANNA TALK MORE ABOUT THIS .

UM, SO THESE ARE THE TWO OF THE FUNDS ARE IN A NEGATIVE POSITION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE GENERAL FUND DOES PUT MONEY INTO THOSE TO COVER PROJECTS THAT CANNOT BE COVERED BY THE DIFF FEES CURRENTLY.

SO YOU CAN SEE LIKE OUR CURRENT DIFF FEES AREN'T COMING ANYWHERE NEAR WHERE WE NEED THEM TO FOR PROJECTS.

AND OH, AND THEN I JUST HAD OTHER INFORMATION.

SO THAT'S THE END OF MY FUND BALANCES, JUST TO GET THE JUICES FLOWING FROM WHEN WE START BUDGET .

UM, SO ANDY HAS, UM, THE CAPITAL PROJECTS LIST FOR THE CURRENT YEAR THAT WAS ALREADY ADOPTED BY YOU ALL.

'CAUSE THAT WAS A QUESTION.

AND THEN HE IS, OOPS.

DO YOU WANT I CAN, I CAN GO OVER THERE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WANNA DISPLAY THE DETAIL PAGE, BARBARA.

UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO MOCKED UP, UH, A PRIORITIZATION MATRIX FOR THE SHARED USE PATHS THAT YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT.

AND THEN WE CAN WRAP UP BEFORE WE GET THERE THOUGH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR BARBARA.

BARBARA, YESTERDAY YOU SAID YOU HAD SALES TAX BED TAX INFORMATION THROUGH AUGUST.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT EMAILED TO YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'M GONNA USE SPREADSHEET ONE THING.

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THERE WE GO.

AND THIS IS THE SAME THING THAT I EMAILED TO YOU EARLIER TODAY.

HOLD ON.

I WANT THIS SPREADSHEET THAT, UH, NOT THIS DOCUMENT BUT THE, THE LIST OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.

IT MIGHT BE EASIER TO LOOK AT IT.

THIS ONE ON YOUR, IT'S NOT LONG AGO AND IT'S JUST STRAIGHT OUT OF OUR ADOPTED BUDGET DOCUMENT.

SO ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC CAN ALSO FIND IT.

YEAH, THE SUMMARY.

I DIDN'T GET YOUR EMAIL FROM EARLIER.

I DUNNO WHAT HAPPENED.

THAT'S WEIRD.

THERE WE GO.

I SENT IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

DID IT END UP IN YOUR I HAVE IT LOOKING AT MY SENT ITEMS. OH.

OH.

LIKE MYSELF.

NEVERMIND.

COME ON .

JUST 'CAUSE THIS IS SO SMALL TO LOOK OUT ON THE, THANKS.

SEE, LEMME SEE IF I CAN ZOOM NOW.

UH, IT'S ALREADY HERE.

LOOK AT THIS.

OKAY, SO THE REQUEST WAS CAN WE TAKE A LOOK AT FY 26 AND WHAT BIG ITEMS ARE COMING UP? SO LET ME, THIS WAS A QUESTION I HAD.

ARE WE GONNA WORK ON A STANDARD OF HOW WE ACTUALLY USE THE WORD FISCAL YEAR? SOME PEOPLE START TO DEFINE IT AS ABOUT 2025 SLASH 26, WHETHER ANDY'S JUST NOW GOING TO JUST USE A SHORTCUT VERSION.

WELL, SO, UM, WHAT I'VE OBSERVED IS HERE IN SEDONA THAT WE JUST USE THE, UM, END YEAR, RIGHT? UH, WHERE I COME FROM AND I THINK PROBABLY WHERE BARBARA'S COME, CAME FROM, IT WAS MORE TYPICAL PRACTICE TO USE BOTH YEARS THAT THE, THAT'S THE FISCAL YEARS COVERING.

COVERING.

AND I THINK WE'RE JUST IN THAT HABIT AND WE'LL CHANGE, WE'LL, WE'LL GET INTO YOUR HABIT.

WE'LL MAKE SURE WE DO IT.

THE, OH MY HABIT IS THE SEDONA, MY HABIT IS WITH YOU GUYS.

OH, BEFORE BACK IN NEW YORK, IT WAS ALWAYS JUST THE LAST YEAR.

JUST THE LAST, YEAH.

I MEAN IT'S JUST A YEAH.

PREFERENCE KIND OF THING, BUT HAPPY TO DO IT HOWEVER, BUT YEAH, I'M USED TO SAYING BOTH EARS.

SO THE QUESTION WAS WHAT BIG ITEMS ARE COMING UP IN THE BUDGET FOR FY 26? I TEND TO LIKE TO BEGIN WITH THE END OF MIND.

SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M GONNA SCROLL DOWN AND JUST KIND OF SAVE THE SUSPENSE OF A COUPLE THINGS.

SO FOR FFY 25, OUR TOTAL NON WASTEWATER PROJECTS CAPITAL BUDGET WAS 40, JUST OVER 40 MILLION.

WHAT PAGE OF THAT EMAIL IS THAT, OF THAT DOCUMENT? UM, THIS WOULD BE ON PAGE, THE END.

THE END HERE? YEAH, I BELIEVE, LET'S SEE, THREE MAYBE.

SO IF WE, IF WE LOOK AT JUST FY 26 AND WHAT'S ALREADY IN THAT BUDGET, IT, THE CAPITAL BUDGET IS ALREADY DROPPING IN THIS CATEGORY BY, UM, YOU KNOW, 15 MILLION.

SO I, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT INITIALLY, ASSUMING THAT WE DON'T HAVE CARRYOVER THAT CARRYOVER ANY ADJUSTMENTS, THAT SORT OF THING.

THAT'S CORRECT.

YOU CAN SEE THAT ITEM WILL BE COMING UP AT 600,000.

SO GOING BACK UP TO THE TOP.

OOPS.

OKAY, SO THE FIRST BIG ITEM OF COURSE IS THE ERP.

THAT'S THAT IT, UM, CATEGORY ITEM.

AND THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO ADJUST WITH SOME CARRYOVER.

AND THEN GOING DOWN THE CREEK, CREEK WALK, UH, IS THE PR 10 THAT'S SHOWN AS ZERO RIGHT NOW, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THAT IS ONE ITEM THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PROPERTY PURCHASE AND THAT SORT OF THING.

SO JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT ITEM OUT.

AND THEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT ANYTHING THAT'S OVER A HALF A MILLION, THE NEXT BIG ITEM WOULD BE IN THE TRANSIT SECTION, PT, AND THAT'S THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS CENTER.

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THIS IS VERY SMALL HERE.

WHOOPS.

THEN THE NEXT BIG ITEM, OVER A HALF A MILLION ACTUALLY GOES TO THE, THE NEXT PAGE, GETTING INTO THE SEDONA IN MOTION PROJECTS.

FIRST ITEM THERE IS THE GARAGE.

UM, WE WILL HAVE CARRYOVER FOR THAT.

AND, UM, FINISHING OUT THAT PROJECT, NEXT BIG ITEM IS GONNA BE F UH, FOREST ROAD.

THAT'S THE EAST END OF FOREST ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, AND THAT'LL BE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT PROJECT.

WE'RE GETTING READY TO START, UH, DESIGN OF THAT PROJECT HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

THEN THE NEXT PROJECT, BIG ITEM I GUESS IS SIM FOUR C, WHICH IS THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK CREEK.

AND SO WHAT'S IN THAT, THAT, THAT IS ACTUALLY KIND OF A PLACEHOLDER.

AND THAT WAS IN CASE WE NEEDED TO COME BACK AND DO, YOU MIGHT RECALL THE Z CROSSING PLUS, UH, SIGNALED CROSSING IMPROVEMENTS AS WE WORK THROUGH THE WARN ANALYSIS, WHICH WE'RE GETTING READY TO START HERE PRETTY SOON.

WE'LL, WE'LL BE DETERMINING IF THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE IN FACT NECESSARY OR NOT.

WHAT I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW IS EVEN IF WE DETERMINED THEY WERE NECESSARY, WE TALKED EARLIER THIS YEAR ABOUT WE'RE, WE'RE LIKELY GONNA BE READY TO REPORT THE FINDINGS OF THAT ANALYSIS BACK TO ADOT IN LIKE A YEAR FROM THE FALL, RIGHT? SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF BEING ABLE TO SPEND 1.3 MILLION IN FY 26 IS VERY LOW.

SO THIS, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF ONE PROJECT THAT WILL BE LOOKING TO ADJUST THE FY 26 BUDGET FOR, UH, THEN WE'VE GOT THE Y ADAPTIVE ROUND, UH, SIGNAL METERING THAT'S SHOWN, SHOWN AT 30,000.

I'M POINTING THAT ITEM OUT BECAUSE IF COUNSEL DECIDES THAT A ADOT SAYS WE CAN'T HELP WITH FUNDING AND COUNCIL DECIDES WE WANT TO FULLY FUND THAT PROJECT, WE'LL NEED TO ADJUST THIS ITEM.

SO WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT AS WE, UH, GET INTO BUDGETING THIS YEAR.

THE NEXT BIG ITEM IS THE PORTAL TO BREWER CONNECTION THAT'S SHOWN THERE.

THE CONSTRUCTION IS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AT 1.5 MILLION.

THEN THE NEXT BIG ITEM IS THE RANGER BREWER ROUNDABOUT.

AND AFTER THAT YOU'VE GOT THE ENDON, YOU GET INTO THE SHARED USE PATH PROJECTS.

SO I CAN KEEP GOING THROUGH THIS AND COME BACK TO THE MATRIX, OR WE CAN JUMP INTO THE MATRIX NOW.

WHATEVER YOU GUYS PREFER, WHY WE DO THE METRICS.

CAN I REQUEST, CAN I GET A HARD COPY OF THIS BEFORE LEAVING TODAY? PLEASE PRINT IT.

I I CAN'T, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.

I PRINT.

JOHN CAN PRINT THAT FOR YOU IN COLOR, PLEASE.

ME TOO.

AND THE FUTURE YEARS, HOW MANY YEARS IS THAT? IS THAT FIVE OR SEVEN YEARS? SEVEN THAT, THAT WE'VE INCLUDED FUTURE YEARS.

UM, SO ISN'T IT THAT, UM, WE HAVE A 10 YEAR, YEAH, CIP BUT YEARS FOUR THROUGH 10 ARE LUMPED TOGETHER IN ONE COLUMN IN OUR CURRENT SOFTWARE.

BUT THE NEW SOFTWARE WE'RE IMPLEMENTING FOR THE BUDGET THIS YEAR DOES ALLOW IT TO BE BROKEN OUT.

AND SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE NOW INSTEAD OF JUST A BIG LUMP SUM, IT'LL ACTUALLY BE, YEAH, I JUST WANT, I WAS DOING MENTAL MATH OF DIVIDING BY SEVEN.

I NEED TO DIVIDE BY SEVEN TO SEE WHAT AN ANNUAL SPEND IN A CIP PROGRAM IS.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

HOW HARD WOULD IT BE TO SEE, THIS IS JUST WAY TOO MUCH FOR MY BRAIN TO ABSORB THIS IN, IN, IN, IN THIS MANNER.

HOW, HOW HARD WOULD IT BE, UH, TO TAKE THE TOP PROJECTS REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY SIT? I MEAN, IT'S THE CAPITAL PROJECTS, BUT REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY SIT, SO WE CAN SEE THE FROM THE MOST EXPENSIVE OR YOU KNOW, FROM FY 26, THE BIGGEST ITEMS DOWN TO THE SMALLEST ITEMS SORTED BY SORTED.

SORTED THAT WAY BY THE SMALLER AMOUNT, THE MUST DOS FOR, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? OH, BY PRIORITY.

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PRIORITY.

IT WOULDN'T BE HARD AT ALL.

YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY, IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR ME.

AND THEY DON'T, AND SO IT WOULD BE WHAT, WHEREVER IT SITS, WHETHER IT'S SIM OR OR SOMETHING ELSE, RIGHT? ISN'T THIS JUST AN EXCEL FILE, ANDY? YEAH.

SUPER EASY TO DO.

YEAH, IT'S EASY TO FILTER OR YEAH, I MEAN WE COULD ALSO SORT IT IN ONE VERSION BY PRIORITY AND THEN IN ANOTHER BY, SORRY, BY COST.

YES, PLEASE.

UM, OR YOU'VE GOT A FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK AND WE FEEL LIKE, WELL THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN IF THERE WAS A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK HERE.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

I AM SURE STERLING WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT.

, SINCE HE LOVES NUMBERS AND ALL.

OKAY, YOU WANNA MOVE ON OR YOU WANNA WAIT UNTIL ANDY DOES THAT NOW? OH, HE DOESN'T HAVE, OH, I DON'T HAVE THE SPREADSHEET FOR THAT ONE.

SO I DID START THIS MORNING A MATRIX TO HELP DISCUSS WHAT WE MIGHT INCLUDE FOR THE SHARD USE PATH PRIORITIZATION.

AND I'M JUST GONNA UNHIDE THESE REAL QUICK.

SO I'VE ALREADY THROWN IN THE PROJECTS FOR FY 26, BUT FOR COMPARISON'S SAKE, I INCLUDED SOME FY 25 PROJECTS AND EVEN THE THUNDER MOUNTAIN, UH, PHASE TWO PROJECT BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT.

WHY IS THAT? OH, SO SOME OF THE CRITERIA THAT I INCLUDED IS CONNECTING TO A KEY DESTINATION.

UH, DOES THE PROJECT INCLUDE OUTSIDE FUNDING? DOES THE SIDEWALK EXIST? DOES THIS PROJECT COMPLETE A ROUTE? ARE THERE EXISTING SAFETY ISSUES? ARE THERE, IS THERE A HIGH VOLUME OF VEHICLE TRAFFIC? IS THERE A HIGH VOLUME OF MULTIMODAL TRAFFIC? DOES IT CONNECT TO A TRAIL HEAD? IS THE DESIGN ALREADY COMPLETE? AND YOU MIGHT SAY, WE DON'T EVEN NEED THIS BECAUSE IF WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED THE DESIGN, THE PRIORITY PRIORITIES ALREADY ESTABLISHED AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT, BUT I THREW IT IN THERE JUST IN CASE.

AND IS IT DEVELOPMENT RELATED? UM, AND IN THAT YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT CONSIDER, OKAY, IT'S DEVELOPMENT RELATED AND THE DEVELOPMENT WANTS IT, IT'S A HIGHER PRIORITY IF THE DEVELOPMENT IS HELPING FUND IT AND MAYBE NOT.

SO IF THEY'RE NOT HELPING FUND IT, JUST BECAUSE THE ASK FOR IT DOESN'T MEAN IT GETS A HIGHER PRIORITY.

AND THESE ARE JUST MY QUICK THOUGHTS FROM THIS MORNING JUST TO KIND OF THROW THAT OUT THERE.

UM, ARE THERE LACK A LACK OF FACILITIES IN THE AREA? AND THIS IS GETTING AT WHAT COUNSELOR FURMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL CITY AND HOW MANY FACILITIES WE HAVE NORTH OF 89 A VERSUS SOUTH OF 89 A, YOU MIGHT LOOK AT A PROJECT IN THE SOUTHERN REGION AND SAY, THIS IS A HIGHER PRIORITY BECAUSE THERE ARE NO FACILITIES HERE, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.

UM, AND THEN DOES IT CONNECT TO TRANSIT? SO IN OTHER WORDS, IS THIS A MULTIMODAL FACILITY THAT TAKES A PERSON WITHOUT A VEHICLE TO GET THEM TO TRANSIT, WHETHER THAT BE A TRANSIT STOP, A PARK AND RIDE FACILITY, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

AND THEN JUST GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE, HOW YOU WEIGHT THE CRITERIA, THIS IS WHERE I THINK THERE COULD BE DEBATE, UM, OR EVEN MORE DEBATE CONNECTING TO A KEY DESTINATION.

IT CONNECTS DIRECTLY OR IT INDIRECTLY CONNECTS.

UM, MIGHT GET A LOWER RATING BECAUSE, UM, I GUESS AN IDEA HERE WOULD BE THAT THIS IS A SEGMENT THAT CONNECTS TO ANOTHER ROUTE THAT GETS YOU DIRECTLY TO A TRAILHEAD, BUT IT DOESN'T DIRECTLY CONNECT TO IT.

SO IT MIGHT GET SOME RATING, UH, SOME WAITING FOR THAT FACT.

THEN OUTSIDE FUNDING, YOU MIGHT WANNA WAIT IT DIFFERENTLY IF YOU'VE GOT A HALF A MILLION IN OUTSIDE FUNDING VERSUS 5,000 IN OUT OUTSIDE FUNDING.

SO, UM, THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF HOW I WAS BREAKING THAT DOWN.

THEN IF A SIDEWALK EXISTS, THIS IS WHERE I ACTUALLY HAVE A NEGATIVE WAITING, SO THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, REDUCE THE, THE PRIORITY OF THAT PROJECT.

AND THEN I, I GAVE A LESS, UM, NEGATIVE RATING IF, OR WAITING I SHOULD SAY, IF THERE WAS A PARTIAL SIDEWALK.

SO MAYBE YOU'RE LOOKING AT A FULL SEGMENT AND A QUARTER OF THAT SEGMENT HAS SIDEWALK, BUT THE REST OF IT DOESN'T AS AN EXAMPLE.

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THEN THE NEXT CRITERIA IS, UH, ARE THERE EXISTING SAFETY ISSUES? THE PROJECT THAT COMES TO MIND HERE IS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT A SHARED USE PATH THAT WOULD RUN ON DRY CREEK FROM WHITE BEAR DOWN TO THE HIGHWAY AND EVEN ACROSS THE HIGHWAY, WE'VE HAD ACTUALLY A FEW REPORTS FROM FOLKS THAT ARE CONCERNED WITH THE AMOUNT OF, UM, CHILDREN THAT COMMUTE BY FOOT OR MULTIMODAL TRAVEL FROM THE CHARTER SCHOOL THROUGH THE LIBRARY DOWN WHITE BEAR AND ACROSS THE HIGHWAY.

AND THE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ABOUT SAFETY, OF COURSE, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE.

AND THEN I GAVE DIFFERENT WAITING ON THIS ONE AS WELL.

UM, IF THERE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ACCIDENTS, AND WE DO UNFORTUNATELY HAVE AN AREA OF TOWN WHERE THIS HAPPENED AND WE'VE ALREADY MADE IMPROVEMENTS THERE, YOU WOULD GIVE A HIGHER RATING THAN IF, UH, FOLKS HAVE REPORTED SAFETY ISSUES, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF IT ACTUALLY BEING A PROBLEM.

AND THEN THERE WOULD BE JUST, WE'RE LOOKING AT AN AREA AND WE SEE LINE OF SIGHT ISSUES AND THINGS THAT WE THINK COULD BE SAFETY ISSUES, BUT IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN BROUGHT UP.

SO JUST THE IDEA IS THAT YOU GIVE DIFFERENT, WAITING FOR THOSE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS.

THEN TALKING ABOUT HIGH VOLUME, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER.

UM, YOU KNOW, IS IT A ARTERIAL STREET OR JUST A MINOR STREET? THOSE WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT WAITINGS.

UM, IS THERE HIGH VOLUME OF MULTIMODAL TRAVEL? UM, AND THEN THE THING I THOUGHT ABOUT HERE IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THUNDER MOUNTAIN SANDBORN, YOU COULD JUST GO OUT THERE AND TAKE PHOTOS ANY DAY OF THE WEEK AND SEE THERE WAS A HIGH VOLUME OF, OF USE ALREADY HAPPENING VERSUS YOU MIGHT SAY, OKAY, BUT IF WE BUILD THIS FACILITY, WE BELIEVE THE CONNECTIVITY OF THAT FACILITY IS GONNA RESULT IN A HIGH VOLUME OF MULTIMODAL TRAVEL AND YOU MIGHT WEIGHT THOSE DIFFERENTLY.

THAT WAS, WAS MY, THAT'S WHY IT'S, UM, BROKEN OUT THAT WAY.

UH, LET'S SEE, CONNECTS TO A TRAIL HEAD SO SIMILARLY TO CONNECTING TO A KEY DESTINATION, BUT THE DISTINCTION HERE TO ME IS YOU MIGHT WAIT A TRAILHEAD, UM, CONNECTION AS AS A HIGH RATING, BUT YOU ALSO MIGHT LOOK AT A CONNECTION TO A SHOPPING CENTER AS A, A HIGH RATING AS WELL.

AND THOSE ARE DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS.

THEN LET'S SEE, IS THE DESIGN COMPLETE? I TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE.

I THINK IF WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE DESIGN, YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT BE, UH, LOOKING AT A, A REPRIORITIZATION AND MAYBE THIS SHOULDN'T BE ONE, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE LIKE THREE BECAUSE OKAY, WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY PUT ALL THIS EFFORT INTO THIS PROJECT AND YOU'RE WAITING THAT AGAINST SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED YET AND KIND OF MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT IT WOULD GET A HIGHER PRIORITY IF, IF WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE DESIGN, UM, DEVELOPMENT RELATED, I TALKED ABOUT THAT ALREADY.

LACK OF FACILITIES, I TALKED ABOUT THAT AND CONNECT.

OKAY, SO I'VE COVERED 'EM NOW LOOKING AT, I RAN THROUGH THE NUMBERS BASED ON THIS CRITERIA AND THE WAITING THAT I'VE THROWN OUT HERE FOR SHELBY DRIVE, PHASE TWO VODE TO UPPER, UPPER RED ROCK LOOP ROAD.

SO THAT'S, UH, THE EAST END OF VODE RUNNING ALL THE WAY OVER TO, UM, UPPER RED ROCK LOOP ROAD.

THEN ZANE GRAY IS THAT FAR EAST END PROJECT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY.

AND THUNDER MOUNTAIN PHASE TWO IS THE OTHER PROJECT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE THUNDER MOUNTAIN SANBORN, UH, ROUTE.

SO YOU CAN SEE IF, IF YOU USE THE WEIGHTING THAT I THREW OUT HERE IN THE CRITERIA I THREW OUT, THIS IS HOW THE, THE NUMBERS WOULD, WOULD SHAKE OUT.

AND I JUST CLARIFY THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE SCORES, RIGHT? RIGHT.

OPINION WHERE I THINK IF WE USE A TOOL LIKE THIS, WE PROBABLY HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE MM-HMM .

YOU KNOW, ENTER THE WEIGHTINGS, RIGHT? AND JUST KIND OF SEE WHAT THE BLENDED AMOUNT COULD BE.

UM, ANYWAY FROM A A MA, I, I LOVE THIS WORK.

OF COURSE I DO , BUT I, I THINK THERE'S A, YOU'RE USING THE WORD WEIGHT, RIGHT? FOR THOSE NUMBERS I WOULD USE THE WORD SCORE.

YEAH, SURE.

THAT'S HOW YOU SCORE EACH OF THOSE CRITERIA.

AND THEN THERE'S WEIGHTING THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL MULTIPLICATION FACTOR TO EACH OF THOSE THINGS.

AND I WOULD SAY THAT DESIGN

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COMPLETE WOULD ACTUALLY CARRY A VERY LOW WEIGHT.

THAT'S A SUNK COST FALLACY KIND OF ARGUMENT.

AND, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE MIGHT HAVE REALLY BIG DISAGREEMENTS ON THOSE WAITINGS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE LEVEL, THE NEXT LEVEL I WOULD LOOK AT.

SO THEORETICALLY, LET'S JUST ASSUME WE ALL AGREED ON THIS, RIGHT? IT WOULD SAY TO ME THAT WE SHOULD MOVE ZANE GRAY UP, RIGHT? YES.

AND THEN DEVOTEE TO UPWARD RED ROCK LOOP ROAD WOULD COME OUT TO A LATER WOULD, WOULD PUSH OUT.

AND I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT.

AND ODDLY, WE JUST BY OUR OWN PRIORITY HAVE NOT STARTED THAT PROJECT THIS YEAR YET.

AND BASED ON GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS WE BUILD THE FY 26, UH, YOU KNOW, BUDGET, I THINK WE SHOULD PUSH THAT OUT AND UM, ZANE GRAY SHOULD MOVE UP.

AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THESE OTHERS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ZANE GRAY AND GUN FURY ARE TWO SEGMENTS THAT COMPLETE THAT THUNDER MOUNTAIN SANDBORN ROUTE, UM, TRANQUIL, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE, WE SHOULD GO THROUGH THIS SAME PROCESS AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

BUT, UM, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO THROW THIS OUT BECAUSE YOU GUYS GOT MY INTEREST GOING AND I JUST KIND OF COULDN'T STOP AND THREW IT TOGETHER.

SO I DONE THAT.

I THINK WHAT WOULD BE INTERESTING IS IF WE GAVE YOU, YOU KNOW, A COPY OF THIS AND THEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE CRITERIA PIECE, NOT SO MUCH THAT WE WANT YOU TO SCORE 'EM BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ALL THE DATA POINTS, RIGHT? BUT ARE THERE CRITERIA WE'RE MISSING, UM, THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO YOU IN A SCORING RUBRIC? UM, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE? CAN YOU SEND THIS TO SANDY? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH, IT'S TOTALLY JUST A UP EXAMPLE, RIGHT? SO THE CONCEPT OF CARRYING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SCORE AND WEIGHT WOULD ADD A LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY HERE, BUT I, I THINK IT ADDS A LOT OF ACCURACY.

I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ON WHETHER COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON ANY OF THESE CRITERIA ARE WAY MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE OTHER, RIGHT? SO NOT ONLY IS THERE OTHER CRITERIA WE SHOULD SCORE, ARE THERE ONES ON HERE THAT YOU THINK ARE, YOU KNOW, SUPER IMPORTANT? SO THEY'RE GONNA GET THREE TIMES THE WEIGHT AS ANY OTHER CRITERIA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT'D BE INTERESTING EXERCISE TO GET BACK FROM YOU AND I WOULD LOVE TO OFFER THAT WE COULD CIRCLE BACK AT THE NEXT SIM UPDATE, BUT I THINK TIMING WISE, THAT MIGHT BE TOO LATE .

SO IT MIGHT HAVE TO BE YOUR, UM, OVER THE HOLIDAYS, HOMEWORK, THE NEXT TWO ON ONES.

WELL THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME GO THROUGH THAT.

THANKS, HONOR.

OKAY, I'LL SEND THAT.

UM, SO THAT WAS OUR LAST, UM, PRESENTATION ITEM, MAYOR.

UM, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN PLAYING AROUND WITH THAT? WE CAN SEND IT OUT TOO.

THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

AND THEN, UM, HOW ABOUT IF YOU JUST, I JUST SENT THAT.

GREAT.

AND THEN INDIVIDUALLY, NOT AS A GROUP, YOU COULD EMAIL TO ANDY, ANY THOUGHTS YOU HAVE ON THAT.

JUST DON'T COPY EACH OTHER.

IS THAT SUFFICIENT? YEP.

UM, LA THE ONLY LAST QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS IF THERE WAS ANYTHING IN, IN THE LAST TWO DAYS, UH, DISCUSSIONS AND PRESENTATIONS THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO INCLUDE IN THE BUDGET SURVEY.

UM, SO WE'RE GETTING READY TO START DESIGNING THAT.

I KNOW WHEN I CAME HERE AT THE TAIL END OF YOUR BUDGET PROCESS THAT A FEW OF YOU HAD FEEDBACK ABOUT, GOSH, I WISH WE WOULD'VE ASKED ABOUT THIS ON THE BUDGET SURVEY, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME RIGHT THIS MINUTE, BUT I GUESS THAT'S ADDITIONAL HOMEWORK FOR YOU.

UM, IF THERE'S KEY THINGS IN HERE THAT YOU'RE LIKE, I REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE COMMUNITY THINKS WHEN WE SEND OUT THE CITIZEN BUDGET SURVEY.

SO I THINK LAST TIME SURVEYS CAME OUT AND IT WASN'T, I DUNNO IF IT WAS A BUDGET, IT WAS ONE OF THE SURVEYS.

SOME PEOPLE WERE SAYING THAT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS DIDN'T REALLY PERTAIN, IT WASN'T REALLY CLEAR AND IT WAS BECAUSE THE, THE COMPANY THAT DID IT THROUGH IN THEIR OWN QUESTIONS, AND I THINK IT PERTURBED SOME OF THE RESIDENTS AS WELL.

SO WAS THAT THE NATIONAL COMMUNITY SURVEY? OKAY, SO THAT'S A FIXED SURVEY.

WELL, YEAH.

STILL, AND THEN WE GET TO ADD OUR OWN SURVEY.

BUT IT'S

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WHAT'S THAT? NO, YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT, I MEAN IT WAS THE BUDGET SURVEY.

THERE WERE LIKE A NUMBER OF TOPICS LIKE, OH, SHOULD THE CITY TAKE OVER THE AIRPORT? RIGHT, RIGHT.

I MEAN, THERE WAS STUFF THAT HAD JUST NO CONTEXT WHATSOEVER AND WERE VERY INFLAMMATORY TO GO IN.

YEAH, WELL, BUT NOT IN THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN.

BUT WE DID ASK FOR IT WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF CONTEXT.

OH, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA BUY THE AIRPORT.

AS OPPOSED TO THEY'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT IT WAS.

SO I JUST ASK THAT YOU BE A LITTLE CRITICAL AND OVERSEE THOSE QUESTIONS BETTER TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHERE THE COMMUNITY'S AT.

BECAUSE I WANT IT TO BE AS CLEAR AND CONCISE AND THERE'S NO RED FLAGS THAT'S GONNA POP UP.

WE'RE GONNA GET SKEWED ANSWERS.

SO THE QUESTION WOULD'VE BEEN HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE CITY BUYING THE AIRPORT? ALTHOUGH THE CITY HAS ABSOLUTELY NO ATTENTION TO BUYING THE AIRPORT.

NO, IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE CITY, THE COUNTY GIVING US THE AIRPORT WE TAKE, YOU KNOW.

I KNOW, BUT I, I'M, I'M REALLY TIRED.

SO .

BUT IT WAS, WE BROUGHT IT UP THIS MORNING AND IT WAS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WOULD YOU PAY, YOU WANT A REC CENTER, WOULD YOU PAY, WOULD YOU WANT THE CITY TO PAY, PAY 30 MILLION BILLS, A DIFFERENT 20 MILLION YEAH.

WHATEVER, AND THAT WAY, RIGHT.

AND DO A BONUS.

AND I WAS NEVER IN THERE.

YOUR HONOR.

THEN THERE WAS A, A QUESTION THAT I HAD ASKED TO BE ADDED TO THIS AS FAR AS COUNCIL LIAISON, IF, COULD THAT BE, OH MY APOLOGIES, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT.

IT CAN STILL BE DISCUSSED BRIEFLY.

I THINK SO WE HAD A, I DEFERRED TO OUR ATTORNEY, BUT WE DID HAVE A ITEM ON HERE FOR GOOD GOVERNANCE AND THAT CAPTURES ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE NOT IN THE DIRECT SERVICE, WHICH INCLUDES CITY COUNCIL.

SO CAN THEY DO THAT? OKAY.

AND IN A WAY THAT WOULD BE, BE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I'M NOT LEADING OR OPINING ON SUBSTANCE.

SO I HAD ASKED, UH, IN ALL THE YEARS I'M DOING THIS AS A LIAISON, I WAS TOLD, AND THERE'S NOTHING IN WRITING.

IT'S A LIAISON.

DOES YOU WATCH THE MEETINGS, YOU HEAR WHAT'S BEING SAID, YOU WOULD, YOU COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND YOU SHARE THAT INFORMATION OR MAYBE YOU'LL SHARE WITH THAT GROUP THINGS THAT THE CITY'S DOING AND THAT'S IT.

UH, A PROPOSAL WAS MADE BY ONE OF THE COUNSELORS TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS FABULOUS.

I THOUGHT IT WAS A BIG HELP TO THIS PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION WHERE THEY NEEDED HELP, BUT IT WASN'T, IT WAS BEYOND MY EXPECTATION.

I JUST, I THOUGHT BEING, THERE'S NOTHING IN WRITING THAT WE SEE IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST IN PUTTING THINGS IN PAPER.

LET, IF COUNSELORS CAN HELP THAT ORGANIZATION, MAYBE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO DO WHATEVER IT IS NEEDS TO BE DONE.

IN THIS CASE, IT WAS, I THINK, UH, RUN A MEETING OR SOMETHING.

IT WAS A, UH, UH, A PROJECT, HEY, WHY CAN'T WE HELP, CAN ADD CONTEXT TO THIS.

GOOD.

I DIDN'T WANT TO POINT OUT ANYBODY.

WELL, YEAH, BUT, AND, AND MAY COUNSEL, JUST THERE IS SOME DIRECTION ON IT IN RULE SEVEN, RULE SEVEN OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT TALKS ABOUT WHETHER IT'S AN INFORMAL OR A FORMAL RIGHT OF APPOINTMENT AND HOW THEY COME BACK AND REPORT PERIODICALLY.

SO THERE IS A, A WHOLE SECTION ON IT.

SO DO YOU WANNA HAVE A DISCUSSION? ARE YOU SAYING WE SHOULD JUST REFER TO THAT? NOT NO, BECAUSE WHAT SCOTT IS MENTIONING KIND OF GOES BEYOND WHAT'S IN RULE SEVEN, AND I THINK IT'S A WORTHY DISCUSSION.

RIGHT? SO, SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS AN ORGANIZATION TO WHICH I AM THE LIAISON, WAS TALKING ABOUT HAVING A SORT OF A, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, RETREAT TYPE OF EVENT, WHERE THEY WANTED TO GO INTO, NOT THEIR REGULAR MEETING, THEY WANTED TO GO INTO SORT OF WHAT IS THEIR VISION AS A GROUP, AS A BOARD.

I'M NOT A BOARD.

THEY ALSO DID NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GET A FACILITATOR OR SOMETHING.

SO WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO IS THEY WANTED TO HAVE A, A BROAD DISCUSSION.

AND I SAID, WELL, HEY, IF YOU NEED HELP, I CAN FACILIT SINCE I'M NOT A BOARD MEMBER.

AND SINCE I WILL NOT BE OPINING ON WHERE YOU COME, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A FACILITATOR TO KEEP YOU ON TRACK FOR YOUR CONVERSATION, I'D BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU.

AND THAT'S, UM, FOR SOME REASON I THINK THE MAYOR TOOK OFFENSE AT THAT .

NO, I TAKE OFFENSE.

NOT AT ALL.

BECAUSE YOU'RE HELPING THE ORGANIZATION THAT REALLY NEEDS THE HELP.

AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL IN A LINE WITH THAT.

WE COULD DO THAT.

I'M THINKING THAT DEREK MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP WITH, SIT ON A RECYCLE , DEREK MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP WITH SIT ON A RECYCLE MARKET.

ISN'T THAT REALLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, HELPING THESE ORGANIZATIONS IF WE CAN, WITHOUT GUIDING THEM IN A CERTAIN WAY? THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING, BUT WE, THIS WAY WE'RE ALL ON OUR BOARD DOING THE SAME THING.

BUT I DID NOT TAKE OFFENSE.

OH, OTHER, OTHER PEOPLE MAY NOT BE COMFORTABLE.

WHATEVER PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH.

I MEAN, I AGREE THAT THERE'S A, AN ISSUE THAT, UH, LIAISON SHIPS ARE NOT, THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT STANDARDIZED BECAUSE HOW ONE COUNSELOR MAY WANT TO TREAT OR WORK WITH AN ORGANIZATION MIGHT EVEN BE DIFFERENT FROM HOW THAT SAME COUNSELOR INTERACTS WITH YET ANOTHER ORGANIZATION TO WHICH THEY'RE ALSO LIAISON.

SO THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES AT PLAY.

AND AGAIN, I WAS OFFERING TO HELP AN ORGANIZATION

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RIGHT? BUT THIS WAY WE'RE ON THE SAME BOARD, UH, UH, PLACE.

HOWEVER, WHAT YOU MENTIONED, SOME ORGANIZATIONS REALLY NEED THAT HELP.

AND SOME OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ARE FINE WITHOUT IT.

BUT THIS WAY, LET'S GIVE THE LATITUDE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT HELP TO AND ASSISTANCE.

WHY NOT? AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT VOTING AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT DOING TAKING ANY FINANCIAL, UH, RESPONSIBILITY.

KURT, WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THIS, PLEASE? SO, CURRENTLY I DON'T THINK THE RULES, THEY DON'T ADDRESS THAT DOING ADDITIONALLY.

IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT IT.

UM, SO IT DOESN'T ALLOW IT EITHER.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S KIND OF GONNA, IF IT'S GONNA BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AT THE COMFORT LEVEL OF THE COUNSELOR, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE NEED TO EVEN ADD IT IN THERE.

UH, I'M FINE WITH THAT TOO.

BUT IF WE WANTED TO BE MORE CAREFUL ON THAT RELATIONSHIP, THEN WE COULD COME UP WITH A POLICY, UH, CONTROLLING THAT WHEN WE UPDATE THE RULES OF PROCEDURE.

I WOULD SUGGEST THOUGH THAT THE CURRENT LANGUAGE WOULD ACTUALLY SCARE.

A A COUNSELOR AND THEIR OF THE INFORMAL VOLUNTARY IS, YOU KNOW, LIAISON SHOULD LIMIT THE ACTIVITY.

SO WE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE PRESCRIPTIVE.

I THINK, AT LEAST IN MY INTERPRETATION, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT THE RULES WOULD'VE SAID NO.

AND I'M SUPPORTIVE OF CONTRIBUTING YOUR VALUE IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING, SOMETHING TO OFFER.

BUT IT ALSO SAYS THERE'S A STAFF LIAISON AS WELL AS A COUNCIL LIAISON AND THEY SHARE GOVERNANCE.

THAT'S IT.

RIGHT? WE DON'T, I BELIEVE THERE CAN BE A STAFF LIAISON.

THERE'S, OH, IT'S, I THINK IT, AND, AND WHAT, WHAT I SEE COUNCILOR KINSELLA DID, THERE WAS NOT NECESSARILY EVEN A LIAISON ROLE NECESSARILY.

SHE HAD, SHE OFFERED TO STEP BEYOND THAT.

AND, AND DO A DUTY NOT ASSIGNED IT AS PART OF THE LIAISON.

AND I DON'T SEE THAT.

THAT'S, I MEAN, IT'S NOT PROHIBITED.

AND AS LONG, IT'S NOT PROHIBITED.

I'M GOOD WITH IT.

I THINK IT'S AN ASSET TO HELP THESE ORGANIZATIONS WHERE THEY NEED THEM.

IT RAISES A GREATER QUESTION ABOUT THE RULES OF PROCEDURE THOUGH.

AND SHOULD WE BE TAKING, SHOULD WE SET ASIDE A WORKSHOP TO GO OVER THE RULES OF PROCEDURE? 'CAUSE THERE ARE, THERE ARE A LOT OF AREAS IN THERE, AND WE DO THIS PERIODICALLY.

WE'VE DONE THIS NOT LAST YEAR, AND I DON'T THINK THE YEAR BEFORE, BUT THE YEAR BEFORE THAT, I THINK WE WENT THROUGH, UM, AS PART OF ADDING A THIRD DAY TO OUR PRIORITY SESSION.

UM, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT IS A SEPARATE ENOUGH EXERCISE THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE MIXED IN WITH THIS.

UM, BUT I, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF US, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT OTHER THAN AS A BODY OF THE WHOLE, UH, TO GO THROUGH IT SO THAT WE GET THE BENEFIT OF VETTING THINGS.

I SOMETIMES HEAR SOMETHING FROM ANOTHER COUNSELOR THAT MAKES ME THINK OF SOMETHING IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

I DON'T THINK THIS SHOULD BE A SUBCOMMITTEE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UH, I, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD PUT SOME TIME ASIDE AND GO THROUGH THE RULES OF PROCEDURE.

SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I'M, I'M PLANNING ON BRINGING BACK SOME UPDATES ALREADY IN, IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH, PROBABLY LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR.

UM, WE COULD DO THAT AT WORK SESSION INSTEAD MM-HMM .

UM, IF YOU HAD ANY CONCERNS WITH THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, IT'D BE GREAT TO GET THAT AHEAD OF TIME.

UM, AND THAT WAY I COULD, IF, YOU KNOW, I FELT IF I AGREED, THEN I CAN DRAFT UP A, A SUGGESTED CHANGE ALREADY TO SHORTEN THAT MEETING.

SO WE'RE NOT GOING BY LINE, BY LINE THE RULES OF PROCEDURE.

LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN BEAT MY 17 SUGGESTIONS TO GIRL.

LET'S NOT GET OVERLY ONLY 17 ONLY.

ARE YOU, THANK YOU FOR EXTREME .

WELL, LET'S TRY TO KEEP IT HIGHER LEVEL, BUT GO.

GOING BACK TO THIS LIAISON THING.

I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS ACCURATE AS WRITTEN.

WE DON'T OPERATE IN THE WAY THAT THIS IS WRITTEN.

AND THAT CAN GET CONFUSING FROM DIFFERENT COUNSELORS.

WELL, THAT'S WHERE I WAS AT.

AND SO LET'S SAY I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING AND THEN ANOTHER COUNSELOR GETS ASSIGNED TO THE SAME ORGANIZATION.

WELL, TO THE SAME ORGANIZATION AFTER I'VE LEFT IT AND THEN THEY SAY, OH NO, I CAN'T DO THAT.

WELL, BUT HOLLY DID IT, OR MM-HMM .

YES, I CAN DO THAT.

BUT SHE SAID YOU COULDN'T DO IT.

IT, IT JUST WOULD, I THINK, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE KNEW WHERE WE HAD ROOM WHERE, 'CAUSE WHEN I READ THIS, IT IS NOT HOW WE OPERATE AT ALL.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD EVEN KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT A LIAISON.

I WOULD NOT.

SO IF, IF THERE ARE ANY CONCERNS, I'M HAPPY TO, UH, ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THEM AND WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

SO SOMETIME YOU SAID MARCH, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT OBLIGATING US TO OPERATE A CERTAIN STANDARD.

I MEAN, WE, WE CAN YEAH.

CHOOSE TO DO LESS.

EXACTLY.

IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE.

WERE HOPING TO BROACH THE IDEA OF AN ANNUAL AWARD OR SOME KIND OF MAYOR'S SPECIAL THANK YOU.

NO, NO.

BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO MORE, GOD, YOU KNOW, GOD HELP 'EM, YOU KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH HELPING PEOPLE? I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING.

SO, SO MAYOR, UM, BEFORE YOU LEAVE THIS DISCUSSION, JUST A REMINDER THAT YOU ALSO HAD MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING THAT YOU

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UM, DISTINCTION THING.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT JUST GOES INTO THE BUCKET WITH THE, UM, YOUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AS A NEW THING THAT'S DEFINED IN THERE, OR IF YOU TALK ABOUT THAT NOW, I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO FORGET THAT YOU HAD THANK YOU.

I DID.

I HAVE A QUESTION IN THE POLICIES.

IS THE, LIKE THE MAYOR'S ART AWARDS, UH, ADDRESSED IN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES? NOPE.

NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

SO THEY'RE NOT IN THERE, THERE'S NO NATURAL MARRIAGE TO BRING IT, TIE IT IN.

SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN, UM, UNDER THE PROGRAMMING DESCRIPTION AND NANCY'S, UH, PROGRAMS, SHE DOES ALL THE WORK AND I JUST, YEAH, NO, I WAS JUST, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO TIE THAT IN WITH THE, SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED THE OTHER DAY, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, A NAME, I'M NOT GONNA MENTION NAMES TODAY THAT 'CAUSE THAT WOULDN'T BE RIGHT.

BUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, SOMEBODY REALLY RISES UP AS SOMEONE WHO MAYBE, OR, OR A COMPANY OR AN ORGANIZATION DOES SOMETHING WAY ABOVE HIGH LEVEL THAT HELPS THE COMMUNITY.

AND I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE EVERY YEAR, IT MAY BE EVERY FIVE YEARS ON, ON OCCASION WHERE WE COULD RECOGNIZE THAT PERSON FOR REALLY STEPPING OUT AND DOING SOMETHING EXCEPTIONAL.

AND I WANT TO SEE IF THERE WAS INTEREST IN, UH, A NET FORMULA COMMITTEE TO LOOK INTO, UH, TO DOING THAT.

AND I MEAN, WHY NOT RECOGNIZE PEOPLE WHO REALLY GO FAR BEYOND, ABOVE AND BEYOND? SO IS THERE ANY INTEREST IN THAT AT ALL? I, I, I, I, OF COURSE, IT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA, BUT I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW IT SURE.

BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE NOT DOING IT ON A REGULAR BASIS, THEN IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST VERY ARBITRARY.

AND I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN JUST BE AWARDED IN A NON-CONSISTENT MANNER.

IF THERE WERE A PROGRAM FOR A COUNCIL AWARD, UM, THAT WAS AN ANNUAL, AND THERE WAS A SOLICITATION OF NOMINATIONS AND A REVIEW OF NOMINATIONS AND AN INDEPENDENT, UH, GROUP EVALUATING THOSE, BUT NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER BIG PROGRAM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

I'M JUST MAKING SUGGESTION THAT'S THROWING IT OUT TO YOU GUYS.

IF YOU, IF IF YOU DID IT IN A WAY THAT STANDARDIZES IT AND MAKES IT NON ARBITRARY, THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A WORKLOAD HERE.

SO, AND I, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE REALLY EVEN DONE BY STAFF.

WHY WOULDN'T, WHY WOULDN'T WE ALREADY HAVE A SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS FOR PROCLAMATIONS? IF YOU, IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT NEEDS TO BE RECOGNIZED, WHY WOULDN'T THE, UH, MAYOR OR COUNSELOR, WHOEVER IT IS, SUGGEST A PROP, GET THE SECOND THAT'S NEEDED AND GO THROUGH THE PROCLAMATION PROCESS THAT EXISTS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD CREATE SOMETHING NEW THAT I THINK THERE'S A RISK OF NOT BEING SOMETHING THAT'S A FAIR PROCESS.

I'M OPEN TO THAT TOO.

SEE, HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T USE IT, BUT THE PROCLAMATIONS ARE BROUGHT TO US FROM THE ORGANIZATIONS AND THEY ASK US, THEY WRITE IT, RIGHT? AND THEY SAY, WOULD, WOULD WE GET TWO COUNSELORS TO, BUT WE COULD DO IT OURSELVES.

IT'S NOT PREVENTED.

WE JUST DON'T, IT HASN'T BEEN DONE THAT WAY.

SO WE WOULD NEED TO AND WHO WOULD WRITE IT AND WHAT, WHO WOULD, WHO WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE, OH YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO DO THAT PARTICULAR GROUP OR PERSON.

OKAY, THIS MAY, THIS MAY BE ANOTHER RED FLAG FOR YOU THERE.

BUT LIKE, THERE WAS A, THIS PAST YEAR, THE PROCLAMATION THAT WAS AWARDED TO AN ORGANIZATION, THE ORGANIZATION ASKED FOR IT, BUT DID NOT KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT IT.

SO I AUTHORED THE PROCLAMATION, , OH MY GOD.

PUT ME IN JAIL.

UM, RIGHT.

I MEAN, JOANNA'S AWARE OF THAT.

IT DIDN'T CORRECT.

IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH ANY, IT DIDN'T VIOLATE ANYTHING.

IT WAS A HELP TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT DID NOT HAVE THE MEANS TO DO THAT.

BUT THEY WANTED A PROCLAMATION FOR A SPECIFIC EVENT THAT THEY WERE HAVING.

SO WHAT'S, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULDN'T USE A, A, A VEHICLE THAT ALREADY EXISTS, JUST AS LONG AS WE ALL KNOW WE CAN USE IT.

A RECOGNITION, SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER TO SAY YOU GIVE AND YOU GET NOTHING BACK, BUT YOUR SATISFACTION OF HELPING PEOPLE.

BECAUSE IT ISN'T WHAT WE'VE DONE ISN'T HOW WE'VE USED IT IN THE PAST.

I MEAN, I, I, LIKE I SAID, I WANT, I DIDN'T WANNA MAKE A DECISION ON MY OWN OR JUST TALK TO ANOTHER COUNSELOR.

I WANT ALL OF US TO OPINE ON THIS.

AND IF THAT WORKS, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

I'M OPEN TO SOMETHING.

BUT THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO GIVE OF THEMSELVES AND EXPECT NOTHING BACK.

THERE'S ALSO A BUSINESS THAT GIVES OF THEMSELVES EVERY YEAR AND HAS NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING BACK OF, HEY, THANK YOU.

THERE'LL BE SOMETHING IN, IN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER THAT ACKNOWLEDGES IT EVERY YEAR.

BUT HOW, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE NICE THAT THIS CITY RECOGNIZES THE, THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS, JUST AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.

THEY WOULDN'T GET ANY GIFTS OR THEY WOULD NOT A PROCLAMATION.

WE HAD TALKED, LEY AND I TALKED A WHILE BACK, A KEY TO THE CITY,

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AND IT'S, IT, IT MAY NOT HAPPEN FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS.

YOU MAY GIVE IT NEXT YEAR.

AND THAT THERE MAY NOT BE ANYONE WHO RISES TO THAT LEVEL.

SO I DON'T WANNA DO IT EVERY YEAR OR BE EXPECTED.

OH, WELL HAVE PEOPLE GIVE, UH, SUGGESTIONS.

THAT'S ALWAYS GOOD.

BUT IT, IT SHOULDN'T BE EXPECTED USING THEM FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES THOUGH.

WELL, I'M WORRIED ABOUT, IN ADDITION TO THAT, I, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A TWO YEAR POLITICAL CYCLE IN THIS TOWN.

AND THE CURRENT PROCESS, I HAVEN'T EVER SEEN ANYTHING THAT SMACKS TO ME OF BEING INVOLVED IN THE POLITICAL CYCLE.

BUT WE'D HAVE TO BE REALLY COGNIZANT OF THAT.

WELL, HOW WOULD THAT BE? IF IT'S A BUSINESS OF JUST A LOCAL BUSINESS THAT DOES SOMETHING GOOD FOR IT, IT'S OCCURRING FAVOR.

I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU COULD, SOMEONE COULD BE CONSTRUED AS YEAH.

THERE'S RIGHT PERCEPTION POTENTIAL, WHICH IS WHY THEN YOU END UP HAVING A COMMITTEE AND WORK AND PROCESS AND SO FORTH.

IT WOULD BE ONE PERSON.

I MEAN, KURT, WOULD IT BE NOT PROPER TO MENTION THIS ONE PARTICULAR BUSINESS I'M TALKING ABOUT? I THINK WE ALL KNOW, DON'T WE? WELL, I HOPE SO.

I DON'T KNOW.

AND I DON'T WANT TO KNOW.

I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.

BUT I THINK BRIAN UNDERSTANDS ON, HOLLY UNDERSTANDS WHO HIM .

JUST, UH, I'M NOT THI YOUR PROBLEM FOR ME THAT THERE'S A FREQUENCY.

I HOPE WE GET ONE MORE PERSON THAT UNDERSTANDS OR WE MIGHT BE IN VIOLATION OF SOMETHING.

CAN I STOP BEING SAID? I I, THE PROCLAMATIONS THOUGH, AT THE MOMENT, I THINK, ARE THEY LIMITED TO, UH, NONPROFITS TO 5 0 1 C THREES? DO WE KNOW? NO, THEY'RE, THE CRITERIA IS SUPPORTIVE.

TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OR THE CITY MANAGER, AND THEN THEY SUBMIT THE REQUEST WITHIN THE ALLOTTED TIME TO GET ON THE AGENDA THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.

BECAUSE NOW I'M THINKING, 'CAUSE I'M THINKING, I DON'T KNOW IF COMMERCIAL ENTITY, I, I GET WORRIED ABOUT SOMETHING BEING WEAPONIZED, YOU KNOW, BY, IN THE FUTURE, WHO KNOWS HOW THIS COULD FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, BE MISCONSTRUED BY SOMEBODY THAT, OKAY, I DON'T LIKE BUSINESS A, THERE ARE FOUR OF THOSE TYPE OF BUSINESSES IN HERE.

SO I'M GONNA, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZE THE GOOD WORKS OF THIS ONE AS A WAY TO LIKE SLAP THE BACK.

I JUST, WHEN IT'S A COMMERCIAL, I, I JUST SEE POTENTIAL PITFALLS, BUT OKAY.

BUT THAT'S, BUT IN THE MAYOR'S EXAMPLE, YOU COULD RECOGNIZE THE PRINCIPLES OF THE BUSINESS INSTEAD OF THE BUSINESS.

WELL, YOU DON'T ELIMINATE, YOU'RE NOT ELIMINATING THE CONCERN IN THAT REGARD.

MY OPINE ON THIS IS I WANT THIS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE.

AND IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO JUST USE THE, UH, PROCLAMATION PROCESS OR WHATNOT, YOU KNOW, LET'S GO FOR THAT.

LIKE, LET'S NOT CREATE MORE STAFF WORK AND SO FORTH.

I'M NOT LOOKING TO CREATE STUFF.

IS THERE, IS THAT IN WRITING? I MEAN, IS IT, WOULD IT HAVE TO BE AMENDED OR IS IT JUST PRACTICE? NO, THE, THE, WE HAVE THE FORM IT, THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE SENT OUT WITH THE FORM TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHO'S EMAILED ME OR REQUESTED OR TO THE, UH, PERSON WHO'S EMAILED YOU REQUESTING, WELL, WHAT IF WE WANT TO DO IT? YOU CAN, WELL THEN YOU WOULD DO THE SAME THING AND SUBMIT ME.

A PROCLAMATION WITH, WITH THE WORDING, THE SUPPORT AND YES.

AND THEN THAT'S ONE OF THEIR, THAT'S ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT A WORD DOCUMENT WITH THE PROCLAMATION LANGUAGE IS PROVIDED ALONG WITH THE REQUEST.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKET FOR EACH PROCLAMATION.

BY THE WAY, WHEN I WROTE THAT PROCLAMATION, YOU DID COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW LONG IT WAS.

'CAUSE YOU HAD TO READ IT .

IT WAS .

I DON'T WANT IT TO HAVE IT, BUT, OKAY.

SO IS THERE INTEREST OF DOING, GOING THROUGH THE PROCLAMATION PROCESS AND JUST GIVING IT TO SOMEBODY OR BUSINESS OR WHATEVER, TO HIGHER LEVEL UNSELFISH PEOPLE? SO MAYOR AND COUNSEL, THERE IS A LITTLE GUIDANCE IN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE.

UM, IT SAYS THAT THE, UH, BEFORE PLACING A PROCLAMATION ON THE AGENDA, DUE CONSIDERATIONS SHOULD BE GIVEN, CONSIDERING WHETHER THE PROCLAMATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S VISION STATEMENT AND THE GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

THOSE THAT PROMOTE A PARTICULAR POLITICAL OR RELIGIOUS AGENDA WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED.

CORRECT? I CANNOT.

SO THAT'S THE EXTENT OF, OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S JUST THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, TWO, TWO COUNSELORS OR A CITY MANAGER.

AND THEN IT HAS TO BE WRITING OKAY.

AND CORRECT BECAUSE SOME HAVE NOT BEEN, SOME HAVE NOT BEEN PROCESSED BECAUSE, AND THAT'S BEEN DONE REAL RECENTLY.

FOR THAT VERY REASON.

WE HAD NO, COULDN'T GET TWO PEOPLE TO, TO AGREE FOR IT.

SUBMITS A PROCLAMATION FOR WHOMEVER OR WHATEVER, HE SHOULDN'T BE ONE OF THE TWO PEOPLE WHO SAY, OH YES, WE SHOULD DO THE PRO PROCLAMATION.

SO THEN WE HAVE TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.

WE'LL JUST FOLLOW THE, THE CURRENT PROCEDURE AND THAT'LL, THAT'LL BE IT.

THE, THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING I'LL MENTION IS THAT WHOEVER SUBMITS THE PROCLAMATION, WE NEED TO KNOW WHO THAT IS.

'CAUSE THEY DON'T GET TO SAY THAT THEY'RE FOR IT.

SO IF, IF, IF THE MAYOR

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WAIT, WE, OUR PROCESS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT ON THE FORM FOR ANY PROCLAMATION.

IT SAYS WHO THE TWO SPONSORING COUNSELORS ARE.

IT'S ON THE FORM.

HOLD ON.

AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS IT GOES ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

AND SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS NOW A WHOLE NEW PROCESS THAT EVERY SINGLE PROCLAMATION WILL BE PULLED OFF CONSENT.

NO, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS TYPICALLY A PROCLAMATION REQUESTS ARE DONE BY AN EXTERNAL PARTY.

WELL, THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL.

HERE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INTERNAL MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL SUBMITTING A PROCLAMATION REQUEST.

SINCE IT TAKES TWO COUNSELORS FOR THAT TO GO FORWARD, WHOEVER SUBMITTED THAT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SAY YES, I WANT IT.

BECAUSE THEY OBVIOUSLY DO, BECAUSE THEY SUBMITTED.

I'M FINE WITH THAT.

THAT THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I WAS SAYING.

SHE SAID THAT WE'D BE THREE, IN ESSENCE, THREE PEOPLE INTERNALLY GENERATED NEEDS TO BE, AND I THINK THAT'S FAIR AND I, I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I THINK IT, AND THE RULES DON'T REFLECT THAT.

BUT WE, I CAN UPDATE THAT THE NEXT GO AROUND.

BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT IN THE RULES AND YOU KNOW, I'M EITHER WAY, HE'S JUST SAYING HE'LL UPDATE THE RULES THREE FIVE AND THAT, THAT'S FINE.

I JUST, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO BE ABLE TO ACKNOWLEDGE GOOD PEOPLE, I'M GONNA WANT SOME DEFINITION ON INTERNALLY GENERATED.

BECAUSE IF, IF SOMEBODY COMES AND SAYS, WOULD YOU DO THIS? IS THAT STILL INTERNALLY GENERATED OR IS THAT EXTERNALLY GENERATED? NO, YOU WROTE IT ON BEHALF OF SOMEONE ELSE, BUT THE SOMEONE ELSE IS WHO'S ACTUALLY SUBMITTING THE, THE, THE REQUEST FOR PROCLAMATION.

IF I'M SUBMITTING THE REQUEST FOR PROCLAMATION BECAUSE I'M THE ONE WHO WANTS TO DO IT, I'M NOT DOING IT ON BEHALF OF ANYONE.

I'M DOING IT BECAUSE I THINK THEY SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED.

THEN THAT TO ME IS I'M A COUNCIL MEMBER, I'M AN INTERNAL MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL.

SO THEREFORE, IF I SAID YES, I WANNA DO THIS, WELL OBVIOUSLY I WANNA DO THIS BECAUSE I'M THE ONE WHO THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE DONE, I'M JUST TALKING TO KATHY AND THAT'S WHY, UM, MR. FERMAN SAID, THEN WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IN THOSE CASES, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE THREE.

AND I AM SURE WE CAN COME UP WITH LANGUAGE THAT YOU WILL APPROVE OF.

I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, WHEN THERE'S LANGUAGE, THEN I'LL OPINE.

I THINK THAT'S WHEN WE SHOULD FURTHER DEBATE IT.