I DON'T THINK YOUR WIFE WOULD APPRECIATE
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MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
UH, WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ANNOUNCED AGAIN TO, UH, RECRUIT FOR A REPLACEMENT FOR GEORGE, UH, ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THE APPLICATION PERIOD IS CLOSED AND AN INTERVIEW IS BEING SET.
JUST TO REMIND GEORGE THAT, NOT TO GET TOO EAGER HERE, BUT THAT HE, HE HAS, HE HAD STATED THAT HE WOULD, UM, COME TO THESE MEETINGS TO THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO WE HAVE NO EXPECTATION THAT YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE HERE, BUT WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE WHEN YOU DO COME WHEN I CAN, I WILL BE HERE.
UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO AND
[3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES.NOVEMBER 5TH, 2024, REGULAR MEETING.
AND NOVEMBER 5TH, 2024 SITE VISIT.
IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES OR AMENDMENTS TO THESE, UH, MINUTES, THEY'LL STAND APPROVED AND I'LL CLOSE THAT AGENDA ITEM.
AND MOVING ON TO FOUR PUBLIC FORUM, THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS SECTION 38 DASH 4 3 1 H.
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AND I HAVE NO CARDS FOR THIS, SO I WILL CLOSE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC FORM AND MOVE ON TO
[5.a. Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for Subdivision (Condominium Conversion) approval to create 60 separate condominium units (30 duplexes) on approximately 4.5 acres. (Navajo Lofts Project currently under construction). APN: 408-24-536B]
FIVE CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES, A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR SUBDIVISION CONDOMINIUM CONVERSION APPROVAL TO CREATE 60 SEPARATE CONDOMINIUM UNITS, 30 DUPLEXES ON APPROXIMATELY 4.5 ACRES.NAVAJO LOFTS PROJECT CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS A PN 4 0 8 DASH 24 DASH 5 3 6 B.
THE CASE NUMBER IS PZ 24 DASH 0 0 0 4 SUBDIVISION.
AND THE APPLICANT IS MKC HOLDINGS, LLC, REPRESENTED BY KEITH HOLDEN, WHO'S PRESENT TONIGHT.
I JUST HAVE A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION, UM, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, THIS IS ALL THE INFORMATION THE CHAIR JUST READ.
UM, JUST TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS THE, A CONDO CONDOMINIUM PLAT FOR A PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED THROUGH DEVELOPMENT REVIEW IN 2022.
UM, IT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BUT NO CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN OR DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS ARE PROPOSED.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY JUST MAKING EACH UNIT AN INDIVIDUAL UNIT THAT COULD BE SOLD IF DESIRED.
UM, THAT IS ZONED AND DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL ON OUR ZONING MAP AND COMMUNITY PLAN.
THE DENSITY DOES EXCEED THE 12 UNITS PER ACRE.
SO THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT REQUIRES A MINIMUM 90 DAY INITIAL LEASE TERM THAT WOULD CARRY THROUGH TO THE UNITS, UM, WITH THE CONDO PLAT.
SO EVEN WITH THE INDIVIDUAL POTENTIAL INDIVIDUAL SALE OF THE UNITS, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BECOME SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
UM, SO YEAH, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOLLOWS THROUGH WITH THIS.
UM, AND THIS IS LOCATED JUST HERE WITH THE FIRE STATION HERE.
SO IT'S JUST, UM, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HERE.
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BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION STARTED.UM, AS THE CHAIR SAID, THERE ARE 60 TOTAL UNITS HERE, UM, IN 30 SEPARATE BUILDINGS.
THERE'S ENTRANCES OFF OF ARIA AND SOUTH SOUTHWEST NAVAJO.
UM, AND THEN A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST THAT RUNS ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
AND AGAIN, NONE, THIS WAS ALL APPROVED AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE LAYOUT OF THIS SITE PLAN.
THE ELEVATIONS OF THE TWO SEPARATE BUILDING OR THE TWO DIFFERENT FLOOR PLANS.
AND, AND THIS IS THE OTHER ONE.
AGAIN, THIS IS BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE, UM, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE COMPLIANCE AS OUTLINED IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, WE REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH ARTICLE SEVEN, WHICH IS OUR SUBDIVISION STANDARDS AND ARTICLE EIGHT, WHICH IS OUR PROCEDURE SECTION AND, UM, COMMUNITY PLAN CONSISTENCY.
THE FINDINGS EXCLUDE SUBDIVISIONS FROM COMMUNITY PLAN CONSISTENCY, UM, 'CAUSE IT'S JUST A DIVIDING OF PROPERTY UNDER CURRENT ZONING.
UM, PUBLIC INPUT WENT THROUGH ALL THE STANDARD PUBLIC INPUT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN.
I THINK THE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE RECEIVED THAT HAD A COMMENT ABOUT THE UNITS SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL, AND THEY ARE NOT BASED ON THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT I SAID AND WE TALKED ABOUT.
AND SO WE HAVE NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M ALSO AVAILABLE, BUT THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.
AND I WANTED TO THANK, UM, MR. HOLMAN FOR CONDUCTING THE TOUR FOR US.
APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF UNITS AND THE QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE LAYOUT.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING.
UH, WE'LL START ON THE END FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, AND THIS IS, UH, MORE FOR KIRK.
I JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION.
I, I READ THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHERE WE'RE NOT ALLOWING STR, BUT THEN, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DECLARATION OF THE CONDOMINIUM DEC OF COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS, THERE'S NO LANGUAGE IN THERE REGARDING THE ST AND BECAUSE OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE, DOESN'T IT HAVE TO BE IN THIS COVENANT SECTION? SO PRIOR TO THEM SELLING OR LEASING ANY OF THESE UNITS, THEY WILL HAVE TO PUT THE TOGETHER, THEIR DECLARATION OF THEIR CCNRS.
UM, SO I DIDN'T, THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN PROVIDED YET.
WE HAD A DRAFT, BUT YEAH, THAT NOT THE FINAL VERSION.
'CAUSE THEY'LL BE IN THERE BEFORE THEY'RE GIVEN CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES OR BEFORE THEY CAN SELL ANY OF THESE.
SO, AND IT WILL BE IN THERE AND IT HAS TO BE RECORDED PER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, OR THEY'LL BE IN VIOLATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
WHAT DOES INITIAL LEASE TERM MEAN? UM, IT MEANS THAT WHEN YOU FIRST SIGN YOUR LEASE, IT'S 90 DAYS, BUT THEN YOU COULD GO MONTH TO MONTH AFTER THAT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA LIVE THERE FOR A MINIMUM OF 90 DAYS.
BUT YOU COULD BE FOUR MONTHS, FIVE MONTHS.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA, AFTER 90 DAYS, YOU'RE ONLY BOUND BY 30 INCREMENTS OF 30 OR YEAH.
THIS IS GONNA SOUND LIKE A DRUM, UH, BECAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SDR ASPECT.
UM, I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THINGS COULD GO SOUTH.
IF YOU, FOR SOME REASON DECIDED TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF UNITS BECAUSE YOU WERE ALLOWED TO EXCEED THE NUMBER OF UNITS PER ACRE, GIVEN WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT YOU WOULD NOT, UM, HAVE SDRS THERE.
IF YOU FOR SOME REASON DECIDED TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF UNITS TO FALL WITHIN THE ACREAGE REQUIREMENT, WHICH I THINK WOULD TAKE YOU DOWN TO ABOUT 37 UNITS, IS THAT POSSIBLE AS A WAY TO GET AROUND, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY REQUIREMENT ON OUR END THAT WOULD, WOULD YOU NEED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IF YOU'RE NOT EXCEEDING THE NO, THE, SO, BUT WE, YEAH.
UH, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN PLACE, AND IT'S THE DEVELOPERS BOUND BY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UM, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY IN THE INBUILT LESS UNITS OR NOT, UH, IF THEY BUILT LESS THE CITY ARGUE THAT THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
BUT PRIMARILY THAT WAS IN PLACE JUST FOR THE SHARED USE PATH CONTRIBUTION AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT.
AND THEN THE SHORT TERM RENTAL RESTRICTION FOR 30 YEARS.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS, IS IN PLACE, UH, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY BUILT.
BUT I MEAN, YOU CANS, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE, I MEAN, THEY'RE ALREADY IN CONSTRUCTION, SO I DON'T SEE NECESSARILY THEY'RE GONNA BUILD LESS UNITS COULD RUN OUTTA MONEY
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AND SO, AND, AND, AND IN THE END, EVEN IN THAT SCENARIO, UH, DEVELOPERS ARE USUALLY, IF THEY RUN OUT, IT'S, IT GETS BUILT EVENTUALLY.
RIGHT? IT'S JUST ENDS UP BEING DELAYED AND THEY REQUEST EXTENSIONS.
UM, THEY DON'T, USUALLY PROJECTS DON'T REMAIN HALF BUILT FOREVER.
EVENTUALLY SOMEONE FINISHES THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S APPROVED.
UM, IN THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, OR I'M SORRY, THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, THREE, PARAGRAPH THREE, SUBSECTION EIGHT.
IT SAYS REMOVE THE CITY ENGINEER LANGUAGE REGARDING DOMESTIC WATER SUPPLY.
WHAT DOES THAT RELATE TO? THAT'S HANUKKAH'S CONDITION.
UM, SO THAT WAS ON, IN ONE OF THE FIRST, UH, ITERATIONS OF THE PLANTS.
YOU KNOW HOW MOST PLATS HAVE THE SIGNATURE LINES, LIKE CITY ENGINEER, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, FIRE MARSHAL, THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL LINE FOR THE CITY ENGINEER.
UM, IT WAS PROBABLY TAKEN FROM, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT CITY.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S UNUSUAL, BUT WE DON'T REGULATE WATER SUPPLY HERE.
SO I JUST HAD HIM TAKE THAT OUT.
WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT THIS MORNING ABOUT WHAT PRICE RANGE YOU MIGHT BE IN.
NOT NOT THAT THAT'S THE SUBJECT TONIGHT, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, OUT OF CURIOSITY.
AND, UM, I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD, AGAIN, BASED ON THE MODELS AND AT THE INITIAL PHASE OF THEM, IT WOULD BE IN THE SIX HUNDREDS, PERHAPS LOW SIX HUNDREDS.
UH, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
UM, YES, THAT WOULD BE OUR INITIAL MR. HOLDEN TARGET, I'M SORRY, INTERRUPT.
UH, KEITH HOLDEN SCOTTSDALE, ARIZONA.
UM, YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF HOPEFULLY OUR INITIAL TARGET, UM, RUN THAT 600 RANGE.
UM, SINCE IF YOU, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO CONDO WISE, OR I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE CORRECT WORD IS, YOU KNOW, CONDOMINIUM IN EYES, THE WHOLE PROJECT, IT'S GONNA TAKE A PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE YOU'RE BUILDING OUT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, WOULD SOME POTENTIALLY BE LEASED IF THEY CAN'T BE SOLD? UH, WOULD YOU HAVE A, A MIX UNTIL ALL WERE SOLD? IS IT THE INTENT TO SELL ALL OF 'EM? AND, AND WHERE THAT'S GOING IS JUST TO ASK ABOUT HOW DOES, AGAIN, KIND OF MORE OUTTA CURIOSITY, BUT HOW DOES IT THAT WORK WITH HOAS WHEN SOME ARE LEASED? SOME ARE STILL OWNED BY THE DEVELOPER, SOME ARE OWNED.
IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
SO, UM, I THINK OUR INTENT IS TO REMAIN FLEXIBLE BETWEEN THE FOR SALE AND FOR LEASE.
I THINK INITIALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT OFFERING THE FIRST GROUP AS FOR SALE, BUT WE WANNA MAINTAIN FLEXIBILITY FOR LEASE UNITS TO BEST MEET THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS.
SO THE CONDO PLA GIVES US THAT ABILITY TO CERTAINLY BE FLEXIBLE WITH THAT.
REGARDING THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW DOES AN HOA, UH, AFFECT THE RENTALS? IT, IT REALLY DOESN'T, UM, WILL, THEY'LL STILL BE GOVERNED WHETHER IT'S A RENTAL OR A SALE BY THE SAME RULES AND RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE RECORDED AGAINST THE PROPERTY, WHICH INCLUDES THE RESTRICTION ON SHORT TERM RENTALS.
UM, I'M THINKING OF, OF PROJECTS WHERE SALES DON'T GO, AND I DON'T THINK THESE ARE GONNA FALL IN THAT CATEGORY, BUT SALES DON'T GO AS QUICKLY AS EXPECTED.
YOU HAVE COSTS THAT ARE, UM, THAT AN HOA WOULD COVER AND, AND REVENUE THAT NEEDS TO COME IN ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? I MEAN, DO YOU, DO YOU, SURE.
SO I THINK IF YOUR QUESTION IS HOW, HOW IS THE COMMUNITY MAINTAINED OR WHERE, WHERE'S THE FUNDS COME FROM TO MAINTAIN THE COMMUNITY WHEN IT'S, LET'S SAY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME TENANTS OR HOMEOWNERS IN PLACE, BUT THERE'S, THE COMMUNITY IS STILL BEING BUILT.
IS THAT YES, I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
SO THAT WOULD COME FROM KIND OF OUR POCKET, IF YOU WILL, A DEVELOPER.
WE COVER SHORTFALLS FOR, UH, COVERAGE OF INSURANCE, MAINTENANCE, UPKEEP, UH, THOSE ITEMS JUST AS WE DO, YOU KNOW, VIRTUALLY, UH, IN THE WHOLE PROCESS.
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I'LL TRY NOT TO BEAT THE SAME DRUM, UH, BUT, UH, CAN YOU TELL ME, JUST FOR MY INFORMATION, YOUR DECISION TO GO FROM RENTALS TO CONDOMINIUM? IS IT JUST MARKET DRIVEN CHANGES IN THE MARKET OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS? OR WAS THIS AN ORIGINAL INTENT? 4:45 PM UM, YES.COMMISSIONER BROWN, UH, REALLY IN OUR, I THINK WE PREVIOUSLY DIDN'T ARTICULATE OUR, TO THE COMMUNITY MAYBE THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.
SO OUR IDEA WAS LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET THE, THE PROJECT PLANS APPROVED, LET'S GET IT UNDERWAY, AND THEN LET'S FILE FOR OUR CONDO PLAT.
AND THAT WAS SIMPLY JUST TO GIVE US THE FLEXIBILITY BETWEEN SALES AND LEASING, UM, TO BETTER FIT THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY NEEDS FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO, SO IT WAS A THOUGHT FROM THE INITIATION OF THE PROJECT? YES, IT REALLY WAS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF DESIGNED THE PROJECT IN THE DUPLEX FASHION TO BE ABLE TO DO, HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY.
UM, NOW I'M GONNA USE THE STR WORD AGAIN, BUT, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THE STATE OF ARIZONA CAN DO TO COME IN ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS IN BASICALLY NEGATE THE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL LIMITATIONS? SO I, I'D PREFER TO ANSWER THAT IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO INTO IT HERE NECESSARILY, BUT, UM, YEAH, I, I'D RATHER DO THAT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION IF YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT ANSWER.
SO JUST IN GENERAL, NONE OF THE LINES ON OF THESE QUESTIONS ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE RELEVANT TO WHETHER THEY CAN CONDOMINIUM OR NOT.
UM, IT'S NOT REALLY BEFORE THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION, I THINK WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UM, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND MAKING SURE MM-HMM
THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CARRIES FORWARD.
SO THAT'S BEEN SIGNED AND RECORDED, AND SO IT'LL CARRY FORWARD DESPITE ANY CHANGES THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ANTICIPATED THAT THEY MIGHT GO, THEY MIGHT SELL THE UNITS.
UM, AND SO IT SPECIFICALLY REFERENCES SELLING THE UNITS, NOT JUST LEASING THEM.
UM, SOMETIMES IN THESE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, WE PROHIBIT THEM FROM CONDOMINIUM USING THE PROPERTY.
UH, THAT WAS NOT THE CASE IN THIS ONE.
BECAUSE IT WAS, UM, SOMETHING THEY WERE ALREADY LOOKING AT WAS A POTENTIAL BACK THEN.
WELL, I'LL CONTINUE THIS BROKEN RECORD
UM, 'CAUSE I REALLY, THIS IS WHAT I, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROHIBITS THAT, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT REALLY.
BUT, UM, IF IN FACT ALL THE UNITS ARE SOLD AND THE DECLARANT LEAVES AND THERE IS NOW AN ASSOCIATION THAT'S THERE TO ENFORCE THESE THINGS, I DON'T THINK YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN ITSELF IS SOMETHING THAT THAT ASSOCIATION IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE.
SO IS THERE A TRUE COMMITMENT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A 90 DAY RESTRICTION ON THAT IN THE CCNRS? YES.
THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIRE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REQUIRES IT BEING THE CCNRS.
'CAUSE WE GOT DRAFT CCNRS AND IT WASN'T THERE.
I APOLOGIZE THAT THAT WASN'T INCLUDED ALREADY.
IT SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN INCLUDED IN THAT DRAFT.
UM, BUT IT WILL BE BEFORE IT'S RECORDED.
THOSE AREN'T, THEY HAVEN'T FILED ANY OF THOSE CCNRS YET.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMITTING PROCESS.
WE'LL WORK WITH OUR, UM, SHORT TERM RENTAL SPECIALIST TO MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD, THAT THESE PROPERTIES WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, THAT IT WOULD BE FLAGGED IN THE SYSTEM IF SOMEHOW SOMEONE DIDN'T KNOW.
SO WE HAVE THAT CHECKS AND BALANCE SYSTEM AS WELL.
I'VE GOT THREE PAGES ON QUESTIONS ON THAT QUESTION,
UM, CAN, UM, A PURCHASER OF A CONDOMINIUM SUBLEASE IN YOUR SCENARIO? UM, SO IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, UM, MADAM CHAIRMAN CORRECTLY, IF A, A PURCHASER WANTS TO THEN LEASE MM-HMM
UM, TO, YEAH, TO MY KNOW KNOWLEDGE, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY, UH, INABILITY FOR A PURCHASER THEN TO LEASE THEIR UNIT.
BUT THEY WOULD NEED TO FOLLOW THE CCNRS AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD RESTRICT SHORT TERM.
SO IF SOMEONE BOUGHT IT FOR INVESTMENT, LET'S SAY, BUT CHOSE NOT TO LIVE THERE, BUT RENT IT OUT, THEY WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO THE 90 DAY INITIAL LEASE TERM.
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OKAY.AND DURING OUR TOUR, UM, JEANIE WAS OVERHEARD DISCUSSING, UM, THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, AND I WAS WONDERING IF SHE COULD ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE, THE, UM, TERMS OF THAT PROGRAM AND HOW IT WOULD APPLY TO THIS PROJECT IF THE, UM, APPLICANT IS INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING WITH THE CITY ON THAT.
AND THEN YOU CAN ANSWER THAT PART.
UH, MADAM CHAIRMAN, I AM JEANNIE FRIEDER, THE HOUSING MANAGER.
SO, UM, DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IS, UM, KIND OF COOL.
SO THERE'S TWO, THERE'S TWO PRO, THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS.
THERE IS A, UM, SEDONA EMPLOYER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
AND THAT IS BASED, THAT IS TARGETED TO CITY EMPLOYEES.
THERE IS, THERE ARE NO INCOME LIMITS TO QUALIFY FOR THE PROGRAM.
UH, THE HOMEOWNER, THE POTENTIAL HOMEOWNERS DO NEED TO QUALIFY.
UM, THERE'S CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT I PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO GO INTO HERE, BUT, UM, BASICALLY THERE ARE NO INCOME LIMITS.
IT, IT IS, UM, WAS SET UP AS AN EMPLOYEE BENEFIT.
ESSENTIALLY IT'S USED AS RECRUITMENT AND, UH, RETENTION FOR CITY EMPLOYEES.
AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IS BASICALLY GEARED TOWARD, UM, ANYBODY WHO WORKS IN THE CITY LIMITS.
SO THAT ONE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, AND OF COURSE IT GOES, THERE'S MORE INVOLVED, UM, QUALIFYING, UM, UM, COMPONENTS TO IT.
BUT ESSENTIALLY A FAMILY OF TWO CAN EARN UP TO $120,000 PER YEAR.
A FAMILY OF THREE CAN EARN UP TO $135,000 A YEAR.
AND THEN OF COURSE, IT DEPENDS ON INTEREST RATES AND HOW MUCH MONEY THE FAMILY MAYBE HAS SAVED FOR THEIR DOWN PAYMENT.
SO IT'S POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT EACH FAMILY, UM, DYNA, EACH FAMILY WILL BE DIFFERENT.
AND WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT, UM, YOU CAN PROVIDE AND IS IT A LOAN WITH A PAYBACK STRUCTURE? UM, YES, IT IS, UM, UP TO $40,000 AND IT IS A LOAN, UM, THAT IS, NEEDS TO BE PAID BACK UPON THE SALE OF THE HOUSE, OR IF A SITUATION CHANGES IN THE FAMILY, LIKE IF THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY NEED TO BE WORKING WITHIN THE CITY.
BUT, UM, IF, IF IT'S SOLD, UM, THEN THEY, THEY WILL NEED TO BE, THEY WILL NEED TO PAY IT BACK.
AND IS THERE A POINT WHEN THAT'S FORGIVEN? NO.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS UP HERE? I HAVE ONE MORE.
WE GOT SOME IDEA WHAT THE RENT MIGHT BE.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE LIST PRICE ON SAY, A, B, C, AND D? UH, YEAH.
SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC PRICING, YOU KNOW, ON THE SALES SIDE OF IT.
WE'RE THINKING THAT MIGHT BE IN THE 600 RANGE SOMEWHERE.
UH, ON THE, ON THE SALES 600,000 RANGE.
UH, LEASE MIGHT BE IN THE 2800 3200 RANGE.
IT'D BE IF, I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF PICK A NUMBER RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO I HOPE IT KIND OF GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE.
I, UM, I WILL ADD, IF I MAY, TO THE, THE DISCUSSION ON THE, UM, PROGRAMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE THAT WERE JUST OUTLINED, THAT, UM, WE'D BE PRETTY EXCITED TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE BUILT THIS PROJECT, IS OUR, WE WANT TO FIRST HELP TRY TO PROVIDE THE NEEDS FOR, FOR FOLKS THAT LIVE HERE AND WORK HERE MM-HMM
AND, UM, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE DID AT PINON L TOO.
WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.
AND SO THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROVIDES FOR CERTAIN PREFERENCES FOR, UM, FOLKS EMPLOYED WITHIN THE CITY.
AND WE, WE DO PROVIDE AN ANNUAL REPORT AS REQUIRED BY OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO THE CITY.
AND JUST, I KNOW THIS DOESN'T PERTAIN TO WHAT THE COMMISSION'S HEARING TONIGHT, BUT I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST POINT IT OUT.
'CAUSE THIS REPORT CAME ACROSS MY DESK YESTERDAY.
BUT, UM, WE DO A, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE AN ANNUAL EVALUATION OF
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OUR 45 UNITS THERE ON HOW MANY FOLKS ARE EMPLOYED WITHIN THE CITY.AND, UM, UH, I GUESS THIS IS A TESTAMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE ENTERED IN.
THE CITY IS WORKING 39 OF OUR, I BELIEVE IT'S 39 OF OUR 45 UNITS OF FOLKS ARE WORKING WITHIN THE CITY THAT ARE, THAT ARE THERE.
SO, UH, AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S JUST A TESTAMENT HOW THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WORKED AND HOW, IF WE CAN KIND OF APPLY SOME OF THOSE, MAYBE SAME CONCEPTS HERE AND WORK WITH THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S TRY TO FOCUS ON THE NEEDS HERE OF THE, OF THE FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY.
FIRST SUBJECT TO FEDERAL FAIR HOUSING REQUIREMENTS.
AND WHAT, WHAT TIMELINE ARE YOU LOOKING AT FOR A FULL BUILD OUT? YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE CONTINUE TO KEEP THE PROJECT MOVING, BUT IF I'D ANTICIPATE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY 18 MONTHS WE'RE, WE'RE SLATED TO START, UH, THE NEXT GROUP IN FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY 1ST.
SO, UM, AND THERE'LL PROBABLY BE ANOTHER, RIGHT NOW WE, WE'VE STARTED 10, THERE'LL PROBABLY BE AT LEAST ANOTHER 10 OR MAYBE 15 AT THAT POINT.
SO WE WANT TO KEEP THE PROGRESS OF, OF THE MM-HMM
OF THE PROJECT MOVING THROUGH.
PART OF IT'S JUST THE CAPACITY OF THE TRADES AND THE YEAH.
AND THE CONTRACTORS TO MOVE THROUGH IT.
AND WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO MOVE THROUGH THE PROJECT UNIFORMLY.
SO AS WE'RE OCCUPYING UNITS, WE'RE NOT DISRUPTING THOSE FOLKS.
UH, WE, WE WANT TO MAKE THE DISRUPTIONS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING THERE AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF METHOD TO OUR MANDATE.
SO WHO'S GONNA HAVE THE BEST VIEWS?
'CAUSE IF THEY'RE ALL ON ONE PROPERTY, THEY'RE KIND OF ALL UNDER, IT MAKES THE PERMITTING A LITTLE BIT CLEARER FOR THAT TOO.
SO WE READY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.
CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? YES.
I CAN'T FIND MY PREVIOUS NOTES, BUT IN THE ORIGINAL PROJECT, WAS ANY OF THE, WERE ANY OF THE RENTALS DESIGNATED FOR AFFORDABLE? NO.
I HAVE A NEW NOTEBOOK, SO I COULDN'T LOOK BACK.
UM, AND IS THERE AN A DA UNIT OR ONE OR MORE? I'M, I'M SORRY.
IS THERE AN A DA UNIT THERE? THERE IS, UM, THERE IS A DA UNITS A DA ACCESSIBILITY AND A DA PARKING.
IT'D BE HARD TO CONTEMPLATE LIVING IN A TWO STORY.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK REALLY HOW THE A DA APPLIES HERE IS FOR THE ACCESSIBILITY COMPONENT.
UM, MEANING WIDER THRESHOLDS OR YES.
YOU, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO LIKE 36 INCH DOORS.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE ROUTE TO, UH, TRASH, COMMON AREA AMENITIES, UH, THAT CAN'T EXCEED CERTAIN SLOPES.
SO THIS IS REALLY THE REQUIREMENT ON THIS PRODUCT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, A DA PARKING, BUT NOT AN A DA SPECIFIC UNIT.
NO, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT ON, UM, ON THIS PRODUCT.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION BY THIS CHAIR IF WE CAN OPEN AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WHAT? HE SAID, I HAVE NO CARDS.
UM, MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
I MOVE, MOVE TO RECOMMEND TO SIT ON TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT SET FORTH IN CASE NUMBER PC 24 DASH 0 0 0 0 4 SUBDIVISION, UH, NAVAJO LOFTS CONDO PLAT BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.5, AND SATISFACTION OF THE SUBDIVISION FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENT IS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[6. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS ]
MOVING ON TO SIXTH FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. I HAVE NOTHING FOR THE JANUARY 7TH MEETING, AND[00:30:01]
WE'LL, I'LL LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THE WHAT, 21ST? UM, PROBABLY BY NEXT WEEK.WE'D HAVE TO DO THE NOTICING BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK, SO.
THERE'S A COUPLE POTENTIALS THERE, BUT, OKAY.
SO YOU'LL KNOW NEXT WEEK, BUT NOTHING FOR THE SEVENTH.
UM, A NEW RECORD,