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OKAY.

OKAY.

[Historic Preservation Commission Selection Committee on November 14, 2024.]

THIS IS BOBBY WITH HI, BOBBY, HOW ARE YOU? I'M WELL, THANKS.

THIS IS THE MAYOR, SCOTT YALO SPEAKING.

UH, HAVE WE EVER MET BEFORE? I DON'T THINK SO.

OKAY.

OKAY.

WELL, IT'S NICE TO MEET YOU OVER THE PHONE.

SO, UH, SO WE HAVE NATE MEYER, WHO IS THE CHAIR OF THE, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

WE HAVE THE VICE MAYOR HOLLY PLUME WITH US.

UH, AND WE HAVE MARCY, THE DEPUTY CLERK.

UH, SHE'S RECORDING EVERYTHING.

ARE YOU, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE FAMILY MM-HMM .

SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED.

OKAY.

WE'RE GONNA, UH, CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

YOU WANNA DO THE ROLL CALL? SURE.

MAYOR BLO.

PRESENT.

VICE MAYOR PLU.

HERE.

CHAIR MEYER.

THERE YOU GO.

HERE.

OKAY.

UH, SO ITEM FOUR, UPON A PUBLIC MAJORITY VOTE THE MEMBERS NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO THE, THAT'S AFTERWARDS.

SO ITEM THREE IS THE COMMISSION INTERVIEWS.

ALRIGHT, BOBBY, UM, WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU, AND IF YOU CAN ANSWER THEM WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING, I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO I, I'LL START AND WE'RE GONNA GO BETWEEN THE THREE OF US AND, UH, ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UH, OKAY.

WHY DO YOU WANNA SERVE ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION? UH, WELL, , UH, SUGGEST I TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

IT IS BEEN A WHILE NOW SINCE THEN, AND I THOUGHT ABOUT A LITTLE BIT AND, UH, ED, SO I, I, I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND IN THE HISTORY AND, AND I, I'VE NOT, I HAVEN'T SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN MY LIFE STUDYING HISTORY, BUT I, TIME GONE ON, IT'S BECOME MORE INTERESTING FOR ME.

SO I HAVE AN INTEREST THERE IN LEARNING ABOUT SOME OF OUR HISTORICAL BUILDINGS.

AND, UM, AND I ALSO THINK I'M, UM, AN ARCHITECT.

I THINK I HAVE A SKILLSET THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN GATHERING INFORMATION, UNDERSTANDING BUILDINGS, AND RECORDING, THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO IT ALL SEEMED LIKE A GOOD FIT.

AND THEN I'LL TELL YOU SELFISHLY, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING IS, UM, I DON'T, I'M, EVEN THOUGH I DO MOST OF MY WORK IN SEDONA, I'M NOT AS TIGHT IN THE COMMUNITY AS MAYBE I WOULD LIKE TO BE.

I LIVE IN COTTONWOOD, SO IT'S MAYBE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO GET A LITTLE MORE, UH, INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO LET'S EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION I HAD AND I NOTICED THAT YOU DID LIVE IN COTTONWOOD, AND THAT'S FINE.

WE COULD DO THAT.

UH, BUT, UH, I HAD ASKED, UH, THE QUESTION BEFORE OF YOUR TIES TO SEDONA.

SO YOU, YOU, YOU'RE AN ARCHITECT.

IS YOUR OFFICE HERE, DO YOU DO WORK HERE? HOW LONG HAVE YOU DONE WORK HERE ALONG THOSE LINES? PERFECT.

UM, NO, MY OFFICE IS IN MY HOME IN, IN, UH, COTTONWOOD.

AND I'VE BEEN PRACTICING, UH, I THINK I'VE BEEN LICENSED FOR 35 YEARS.

UH, ALL MY WORK ESSENTIALLY HAS BEEN IN SEDONA, MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL.

UH, UH, FATHER PRACTICED FOR 50 YEARS IN AS AN ARCHITECT, AND HE, HE HAD, IT WAS MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL AND, UH, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF COMMERCIAL TOO, BUT, SO I'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME.

ALRIGHT, YOUR FATHER, SO WHAT'S YOUR FATHER'S NAME? JOHN WOODS.

OKAY.

NOW I KNOW THE CONNECTION.

OKAY.

THAT MAY, THAT'S A BIG CONNECTION.

YOUR, YOUR FATHER HAD A FABULOUS REPUTATION HERE IN SEDONA.

SO, AND THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO HAVE IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, CONNECT THE TWO DOTS.

SO YEAH, I, I THINK I ONLY MET YOUR, YOUR FATHER ONCE, BUT I'VE HEARD NOTHING BUT FABULOUS THINGS SAID ABOUT HIM, SO THAT'S GOOD.

YEAH, AND HE, HE WAS A, A HISTORY OF SEDONA, BUT TOO, HE LOVED, LOVED SEDONA AND, UH, HAD A GOOD MEMORY.

SO I, I HEARD A LOT OF STORIES OVER THE YEARS.

I WISH I RECORDED HIM, UH, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THE STUFF THAT'S GONE ON IN TOWN FOR ALL THESE YEARS.

BUT, UH, YEAH, SO THAT, THAT'S MY ARCHITECTURAL.

I I WOULD SAY 80% OF MY WORK'S IN SONSONA.

THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME AS WELL.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, UH, VICE MAYOR, YOU WANT TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION? OKAY.

THIS IS A LONG ONE, BOBBY.

IN 1998, THE ARIZONA STATE PRESERVATION OFFICE, WHICH IS CALLED SHEO, DESIGNATED THE CITY OF SEDONA AS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO SATISFY THE CITY'S CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE SHEO.

IT IS PREFERABLE THAT ALL HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE EXPERIENCE OR KNOWLEDGE IN AT LEAST

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ONE OF THE FOLLOWING AREAS.

HISTORY, ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY, ARCHITECTURE, HISTORIC INTERIORS, PLANNING, ARCHEOLOGY, REAL ESTATE, HISTORIC PRESERVATION LAW, OR OTHER HISTORIC PRESERVATION RELATED FIELD.

WHAT EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEDGE, OR PERSPECTIVE WOULD YOU BRING TO THE COMMISSION? AND OF COURSE, YOU'RE AN ARCHITECT, SO WE ASSUME, YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTURE, BUT ARE THERE ANY OF THESE OTHER AREAS IN WHICH YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE OR EXPERIENCE? UH, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT ON THE PERIMETER, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU TOUCH ON THOSE OTHER ITEMS WHEN YOU'RE DOING ARCHITECTURE, SO, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY, I THINK SOMETHING LIKE, LIKE BACKGROUND IN ARCHITECTURE.

NOW, THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER AREA THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR LIST THAT I COULD BE HELPFUL.

UM, I'VE SERVED ON THE FOUNDATION AT PHI COLLEGE FOR THE WOODY VALLEY CAMPUS, AND RECENTLY I'VE BEEN WITH A GROUP CALLED FRIENDS OF THE SOUTHWEST WINE CENTER.

AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT YOU LEARN ABOUT OUTREACH AND EDUCATION AND ALSO AS A TEACHER AND A COACH OVER THE YEARS, I THINK PART OF WHAT I CAN BRING IS IF, IF WE HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND TRYING TO EDUCATE AND BRING 'EM UP TO SPEED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE REALLY HAVE HERE IN SEDONA, I CAN, I CAN BE VALUABLE THERE.

SO I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR IN THAT LIST, THAT TYPE OF DESCRIPTION.

COULD YOU, IT WOULD BE LIMITED MOSTLY TO ARCHITECTURE.

THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE MUCH, YOU KNOW.

OKAY.

WELL YOU PROBABLY FALL ON THAT LIST.

I THINK YOU CHECKED LAND USE PLANNING ALSO IN YOUR, UH, YEAH, I'VE FOUND THAT, YEAH.

IN FACT, I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF A PROJECT WITH LAND, LAND USE, BUT I'VE HAD SMALLER PROJECTS OF LAND USE.

UH, AND WHEN I WORKED WITH MY FATHER, UH, YOU KNOW, HE HAD SMALLER, LIKE JU PINE PROJECTS, COPPER POT, UH, PARK PLACE, UH, SO LAND PLANNING, BUT ON, UH, FOOT HILLS LAND PLANNING.

BUT THEN ON A GRAND SCALE, YOU KNOW, SMALLER SCALE, UH, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT YAVAPI COLLEGE.

COULD YOU TALK MORE ABOUT THAT? UH, YEAH, I, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, YAVAPI IS INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S SPREAD OUT OVER A HUGE, UH, COUNTY.

YEAH.

BY COUNTY .

QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO I WAS ASKED TO SERVE ON THE FOUNDATION BOARD ON THAT KIND OF, WOULD REPRESENT THIS SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN.

UH, SO I DID THAT, AND THAT WAS, THAT'S BEEN 15 YEARS AGO.

AND THEN IT KIND OF, UM, MORPHED INTO, WE BECAME A, UH, A GROUP TO FUNDRAISE AND ADVOCATE FOR THE COLLEGE, BUT REALLY WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE VITICULTURE NEUROLOGY PROGRAM.

SO WE DID A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN THAT RAISED MONEY, BUILD THAT BUILDING OVER ON THE CLARKDALE CAMPUS.

AND, AND NOW I'M STILL WITH THE SAME GROUP AND WE DO A LOT OF, UH, WE GO OUT INTO WINE FESTIVALS, BASICALLY SET UP A TABLE AND THEN, UH, LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THE PROGRAMS WE HAVE AVAILABLE OVER AT THE EMPIRE COLLEGE.

SO, UH, AND, UH, EVERY YEAR, ABOUT THE LAST 10 YEARS, WE'VE DONE A LITTLE FUNDRAISER.

SO IT'S A DINNER AND, UH, WE, WE RAISE ABOUT $40,000 AT THAT DINNER EVERY YEAR.

AND THAT SUPPORTS THE PROGRAMMING AT THE COLLEGE, AT, AT, FOR THIS SIDE OF THE HILL, THIS OLOGY.

AND, UH, HAD, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, I SEE THERE'S, UM, WE COULD DO A BETTER JOB WITH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC, UH, UH, LIKE MY WIFE'S HELPING ME DRIVE RIGHT NOW, SO I GOTTA PAY ATTENTION.

NO, BE CAREFUL PARTNERSHIPS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT WE COULD DO A LOT BETTER JOB WITH SEDONA AND, AND, AND PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, HAVE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY BACK TO THE COLLEGE TO SEE HOW WE COULD BEST USE THAT CAMPUS.

HAVEN'T QUITE EVER BEEN PULLED OFF YET, BUT, BUT, UH, BUT THAT'S THAT LITTLE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT WHERE I THINK THAT I SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND, AND LETTING THEM KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

AND SO I KNOW WHAT, WHAT KIND OF OUTREACH YOU GUYS HAVE DONE, BUT IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S A WAY OF EDUCATING, EDUCATING OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.

WELL, BOBBY, WHAT SPECIAL THINGS WE HAVE HERE, THINGS IN THE VALLEY, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT IT'S, IT, ARE YOU AWARE OF THE PURVIEW THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION HAS IN SEDONA? I MEAN, WOULD BASICALLY LANDMARKING I DID

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NOT DO MY RESEARCH.

UM, SO I, I'M NOT SUPER FAMILIAR AND I HAD HOPE TO COME TO A FEW OF YOUR MEETINGS TO GET A LITTLE SENSE OF THAT.

BUT BRIN REALLY, UM, SHE ASSURED ME THAT IT WAS A REALLY GOOD GROUP AND WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE, I, I ALWAYS GET CONCERNED ABOUT POLITICS A LITTLE BIT.

UH, I'M NOT THAT I DON'T LIKE TO GET, IT'S, IT'S NOT POLITICAL AT ALL.

THAT, AND THAT SHE, THAT EXACTLY, SHE ASSURED ME OF THAT.

SO IT SOUNDED LIKE A GROUP THAT I WOULD GET ALONG WITH AND ENJOY AND HAVE FUN WITH IS WHAT IT GETS DOWN TO.

SO I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT, UH, UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY WHAT THE GROUP'S ALL ABOUT, BUT I, I THINK I CAN PLUG IN AND HELP IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

WELL, AND I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, FROM THE BEGINNING, THE SCOPE OF THE, WHAT YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES WILL WOULD BE, AND I'M GONNA ASK NATE TO ADDRESS THAT IN A SECOND.

BUT THERE IT IS REALLY JUST ABOUT LANDMARKING AND RECOGNIZING PROPERTIES.

WE'RE NOT DOING MUCH MORE THAN THAT.

UH, SO NATE, YOU WANNA JUST GO DOWN THE QUICK ABRIDGED? SURE.

THE, THE SHORT AND AND SWEET VERSION IS, IS AS THE MAYOR SAID, THAT, UM, THE, THE COMMISSION IS CHARGED WITH LANDMARKING PROPERTIES, RECOGNIZING THEM FOR THEIR, THEIR HISTORIC IMPORTANCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, THE OUTREACH, THE EDUCATION COMPONENT IS PART OF THE CITY SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACT THAT THE CITY HAS WITH THE SEDONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY, UH, WHICH I HAVE A DUAL ROLE AS, AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR THERE.

UM, AND SO THE, THE OUTREACH COMPONENT REALLY IS PART OF, UM, UH, THE PURVIEW OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY WITH THAT AGREEMENT.

UM, THAT'S FINE.

YEAH.

THAT, THAT WOULDN'T BOTHER ME.

OKAY.

TO ME, IT'S, IT'S BABY STEPS ANYWAYS.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'D BE UP AGAINST OTHER THAN I'M WILLING HAVE A LITTLE TIME AND I CAN PITCH IN AND HELP IN ANY WAY I CAN.

SURE.

AND THEN LIKE, YOU'RE, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING YOU HAVE EITHER DUAL, YOU KNOW, EFFORTS, I MEAN, WHO KNOWS DOWN THE LINE, ONCE YOU GET IN, YOU START FINDING OUT OTHER AVENUES TO HELP OUT.

YES.

GET IN AND GET PEOPLE TOGETHER.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GONNA LEAD, BUT I'M FINE WITH, IN FACT, A LOT OF TIMES IN THE GROUPS I'VE BEEN WITH, I'M THE WORKFORCE, SO I'M FINE WITH JUST PUTTING MY NOTES IN IT AND DOING WHAT I NEED TO DO.

GREAT.

AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.

I APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL.

BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THE EXPECTATIONS.

I KNOW THERE WAS A FORMER COMMISSIONER WHO THOUGHT IT WAS WAY, WAY MORE INVOLVED THAN WHAT IT WAS AND WHAT THE, THE COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTION FOR, AND HE, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT GOT TO BE A PROBLEM AND I DON'T WANT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, EXPECTATIONS OF GRANDEUR, SO, OH, YEAH.

SO, OKAY, WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT, YOU'RE A TWO WAY STREET TOO, BECAUSE IF I GET GOING ALONG AND YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH WHAT I'M DOING, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE FIND WAYS AND THERE'D BE ANOTHER WAY AROUND IF FOR SOME REASON IT WAS JUST NOT FUN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS MOVE ON, BUT NO, UNTIL, YOU KNOW, NO, IT'S VERY TRUE.

I I'M NOT SEEING THAT SO FAR.

SO, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.

SO, ALL RIGHT.

NEXT QUESTION.

IN WHAT WAYS CAN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION CONTRIBUTE TO OUR CITY? WELL, UH, WE KIND OF ALREADY COVERED THAT IN A LITTLE WAY.

I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO LIMIT OTHER THAN WHAT, HOW WE LIMIT OURSELVES.

SO AS YOU GET GOING ALONG AND YOU START REALIZING HOW YOU CONTRIBUTE, YOU KNOW, GO DOWN THOSE PATHS.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE NOT KNOWING EXACTLY WHERE YOU GUYS ARE AT RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT, I I WOULDN'T BE THE KIND OF PERSON THAT'S GONNA COME IN AND SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO GO DOWN THIS DIFFERENT TRACK.

WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT THAT KIND OF PERSON.

SO, UH, BUT I THINK THAT, I THINK IF YOU LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES ANYTIME YOU CAN TO REACH OUT TO EDUCATE, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT ALWAYS SEEMS TO HELP THE COMMUNITY.

UM, SO THAT, THAT, I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE BEST I COULD SAY ON THAT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANKS.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

WHAT ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS? ARE THERE ANY IMPROVEMENTS, BUILDING STRUCTURES, OBJECTS? I'M ON SEVEN.

DOUBLE STARTED.

OKAY.

WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE NATIONAL REGISTRAR, UH, REGISTRAR OF HISTORIC PLACES AND SEDONAS LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS AND HOW A PROPERTY BECOMES LISTED ON THEM? NO, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

I, I, I READ, I'VE READ A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, BUT I'M NOT, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT.

WELL, I APPRECIATE AN HONEST ANSWER.

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THAT'S VERY, THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO BE HONEST.

VERY MUCH SO.

OKAY.

HOLLY, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS IMPORTANT PRESERVATION ISSUES FACING THE CITY OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, AND WHY ARE THEY IMPORTANT? WELL, UH, I, I, IT'D BE HARD FOR ME TO POINT THE SPECIFICS, BUT GENERALLY, UH, I THINK ALWAYS WANT TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF NOT DESTROYING SOMETHING THAT'S HISTORICAL.

AND IF YOU COULD PRESERVE IT, REPURPOSE IT, MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC IN WAYS THEY DIDN'T, MAYBE DIDN'T, IT WASN'T EASILY AVAILABLE BEFORE ANY, ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF, UH, YOU KNOW, SOLUTIONS QUICKER YOU GET ON IT, THE BETTER.

I DON'T, TO ME IT'S GET ON IT, FIGURE, FIGURE GET ON AHEAD OF THE CURVE A LITTLE BIT.

SO I SEE ALL KINDS OF GUYS.

I, I WAS DOWN HERE AND PHOENIX YESTERDAY AND I WENT TO THE ABBEY.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN DOWN THERE IN MONROE AND IN CENTRAL PHOENIX, BUT THEY'VE SAVED THIS WHOLE CHURCH AND IT'S AMAZING AND IT COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN TORN DOWN.

SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DIFFERENT, UM, STRUCTURES FALL INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, AN IMPORTANT STRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF IN SEDONA, BUT THAT'S PART OF WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND GET MYSELF BETTER ACQUAINTED WITH THAT.

UM, SO YEAH, I THINK, UH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S MY ANSWER.

I, UH, BUT I COULDN'T TELL YOU, OH, WE'VE ALREADY BLOWN IT HERE, OR THIS BUILDING NEVER SHOULD COME DOWN.

I, I IN PARTICULAR, I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THINK OF IT OFF MY HEAD, SO.

GREAT.

NEXT QUESTION, IS THERE A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? AND IF YOU SEE A, A CONNECTION, HOW, YEAH, THAT'S INTERESTING.

UM, WELL, YEAH, THERE, THERE IS A CONNECTION, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

I LOOKED AT THE PROJECT, UH, THAT YOU GUYS DID DOWN ON BREWER ROAD WITH THE RANGER STATION, AND YOU HAD, UM, THIS LOVING CONTRACTING WORKING ON THAT PROJECT.

SO THERE'S AN EXAMPLE RIGHT THERE OF, YOU KNOW, HELPING WITH THE ECONOMY INITIALLY WITH THE REBUILD AND THE BUILD OUT, BUT ALSO LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE, UH, EVENTS ON THAT PROPERTY AND THAT THAT CAN BRING, UH, DEVELOPMENT.

UM, I ALSO, I ALSO, BECAUSE IT MIGHT, I SEE THERE'S ALWAYS OPPORTUNITIES.

I'VE SEEN THAT WITH PHI COLLEGE, WHERE YOU, THE PUBLIC AND THE PRIVATE GET TOGETHER AND, UH, YOU, YOU CAN CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR TOURISTS AND PEOPLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, ENJOY THEIR, ENJOY THEIR, UH, THEIR CITIES BETTER, MORE, AND SPEND MONEY.

SO YEAH, THERE, THERE'S A, A WINE.

HOW ABOUT THE WINE INDUSTRY IN THE VERDE VALLEY? THAT'S OUR, OUR, UH, ANALOGY OF CULTURE PROGRAM AT, AT HAS BEEN SUPER INSTRUMENTAL IN ADVANCING THAT.

SO I THINK THE SKY'S A LIMIT ON STUFF IN WITH SOME HISTORICAL PRESERVATION.

ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK THAT COULD BE A ECONOMIC DRIVER TO WHAT DEGREE, I KNOW, I DUNNO, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT, BUT, BUT I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT , HOW MANY OPPORTUNITIES THERE MIGHT BE THERE, YOU KNOW? GREAT.

THANK YOU.

YES.

OKAY.

I HAVE SEVEN.

ARE THERE ANY IMPROVEMENTS, BUILDING STRUCTURES, OBJECTS, FEATURES, SITES, PLACES, OR AREAS THAT YOU FEEL ARE ESPECIALLY SUITABLE CANDIDATES FOR HIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION DESIGNATIONS? YEAH, AGAIN, APOLOGIZE.

I'M, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE, UH, THE WAY OF THE LAND.

I'M IMAGINING THERE'S GOTTA BE POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT CAN BE REALLY USEFUL AND VALUABLE.

I MEAN, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW THOSE NUMBERS AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY LEARNING THING.

I'M GONNA HAVE TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT.

I'M ALL ABOUT IT, UH, ABOUT FINDING APPROPRIATE STRUCTURE TO TAKE CARE OF AND REPURPOSE OR REUSE OR SAVE OR WHATEVER THE DETERMINATION IS.

SO, OKAY.

UH, NOW WE'RE KIND OF A YOUNG, IN A WAY, WE'RE KIND OF A YOUNG COMMUNITY TOO.

I MEAN, I, I'M, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN HISTORIC, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE SOME FOLKS WILL SAY LIKE, EVEN MY FATHER'S ARTS CONTROL SAY THERE'S HISTORIC RESIDENCES.

I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE, UH, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF LAND, OF THE LAND TO START UNDERSTANDING, REALLY.

WE, WE START CALLING THINGS

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HISTORIC THAT HAVE HISTORIC VALUE.

SO I, I THINK I .

ALRIGHT.

WE HAVE QUICK THE LAST QUESTION, NUMBER EIGHT, HOLLY, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD, YOU READY? SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME.

ARE YOU READY? I AM READY.

I'M LISTENING.

I'M READY.

OKAY.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD ABOUT YOUR INTEREST IN SERVING ON SEDONAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION? I, THE ONLY THING IS A LITTLE, A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, I FEEL LIKE I'M DESERT A LITTLE BIT.

I, I'M A VERDE VALLEY RESIDENT, YOU KNOW, BUT I BEGAN AONA RESIDENT AND, UM, I, LIKE, THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE, FOR ME, A LITTLE DISCONNECT.

UH, AND SO WHEN BRIAN TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS, I STARTED THINKING ABOUT THAT A BIT.

AND, UH, MY FATHER AND KIND OF HOW THAT DISCONNECT, I, I CAN FIND HIM WAY BACK IN.

AND THIS IS KIND OF A WAY BACK IN, I GUESS.

OKAY.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO.

OKAY.

UH, ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS AT ALL? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

OKAY.

SO WHY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? ANY EXPECTATIONS? UH, I, I DID GET A LITTLE, UM, DIFFERENT FEELING FROM BRINN ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME AND EFFORT WOULD BE REQUIRED THEN WHEN I WAS READING ABOUT THE POSITION.

AND SO MY FEELING IS THAT I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, IF WHATEVER TIME'S REQUIRED, I'M GONNA DO MY ABSOLUTE BEST SUIT, GIVE THAT TIME.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING.

I HAD A LITTLE, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A LITTLE UPTICK IN EFFORT, IT LOOKED LIKE WHEN I STARTED READING THE MATERIALS, .

SO IT'S NOT THAT MUCH TIME, BY THE WAY.

I'M STILL WORKING.

YEAH, NO, THAT'S OKAY.

THAT'S STILL WORKING.

SO THAT, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A FACTOR.

SO JUST TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, BRYN WAS THE CHAIR, NATE'S THE CHAIR NOW JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF, UH, STYLE.

UH, BUT THE, THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO IS, WOULD BE AT YOUR, YOUR PACE.

AND I THINK WITH WHAT YOU'VE SHARED WITH ME SO FAR AND US IS I THINK THAT YOU, IT WILL BE FINE BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL WORKING AND YOU'RE STILL DEDICATED, SO, GOTCHA.

YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD ADD TO THAT IF I MAY, MAYOR.

YEAH.

UM, OUR, OUR MEETINGS ARE GENERALLY ABOUT AN HOUR.

IF WE'VE GOT A LOT ON THE AGENDA, MAYBE AN HOUR AND A HALF, UM, ONCE A MONTH.

OKAY.

UM, IF, IF THERE'S NOTHING TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HOLD THE MEETING.

UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR COMMITMENT OUTSIDE OF ATTENDING THE MEETINGS AND BEING AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT AT THAT POINT IS REALLY, UH, UP TO YOU HOW MUCH YOU WANNA PUT INTO THAT.

SOME COMMISSIONERS REALLY PUT A LOT IN, UH, OUTSIDE OF, OUTSIDE OF IT AND KIND OF VOLUNTEER AND STEP UP IN, IN VARIOUS WAYS.

AND SOME, YOU KNOW, ARE CONTENT TO, TO, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS DURING THE MEETING.

AND THAT'S KIND OF IT.

SO IT'S REALLY WHAT YOU CAN GIVE US AND, AND WE'RE HAPPY WITH.

AND, AND I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE THE EXPECTATION OF, YOU KNOW, BEING A NEW COMMISSIONER, IT COULD TAKE YOU UP TO A YEAR TO REALLY GET UP TO SPEED AND KNOW EVERYTHING.

NOBODY EXPECTS YOU TO KNOW EVERYTHING.

AND DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT YOU TO GO WALK IN IF YOU'RE SELECTED THE FIRST MEETING, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW THIS, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO LEARN, UH, YOU'LL LOOK, WE EXPECT YOU TO LEARN IT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.

SO YES, GOOD POINT.

I WOULD, I WOULD, I COULD GUARANTEE YOU THAT I'LL BE HANDS ON BEYOND THE MEETING.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.

SO GLAD TO HEAR THAT.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

SO YOU HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, BOBBY? YES.

YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR US? NO, I THINK, UM, NO, I JUST APPRECIATE, WORKS OUT.

WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION.

UH, HOW MANY SPOTS ARE AVAILABLE AND HOW MANY ARE YOU GONNA, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO FILL 'EM? OH, THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION.

WE HAVE ABOUT 200 PEOPLE APPLYING THOUGH.

I'M JUST JOKING.

ONE OPENER.

THREE PEOPLE APPLYING IN ONE SPOT.

OH, THREE PEOPLE FROM ONE SPOT.

OKAY.

YOU'RE NOT SO I WILL, I WILL NOT GET MY FEELING TROUBLE AT ALL.

I, IF

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I DON'T MAKE IT, BUT UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS IS MY FIRST, REGARDLESS OF MY PERSONAL BABY STEP TO TRY TO GET BACK IN AND BE INVOLVED IN, IN THE TUNA COMMUNITY.

OKAY.

BETTER.

ALRIGHT, WELL WE'LL BE THANK.

THANK YOU.

BYE-BYE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT.

YEAH, HAVE A GOOD DAY.

I THOUGHT THERE WERE TWO OPENINGS.

YEAH, I THOUGHT THERE WERE TWO OPENINGS TOO.

UM, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.

WE HAVE A VACANCY AND THEN WE WERE LOOKING TO REPLACE BOB HUGGINS AND HE WILL STEP DOWN AS SOON AS THERE'S SOMEBODY.

OH, I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK PLACE.

BUT SO FAR, YOU KNOW WHAT GOING, PROBABLY CAN TALK ABOUT THIS AFTER, BUT, UH, I'M SOLD.

NO, SO, SO OKAY.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT, DO WE WANNA YOU, I'LL CHECK AND I'LL CHECK TO SEE IF, UM, OUR NEXT ONE'S HERE.

OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, I'LL PAUSE.

OKAY.

YOU, YOU CAN PAUSE FOR A COUPLE MINUTES.

YES, SURE.

NO PROBLEM.

OKAY.

YOU TOMMY, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST MOVING UP, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT.

THERE YOU GO.

SO I CAN SEE YOU.

OKAY.

TAKE MY BEST OFF THROUGH VINEGAR.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ARE YOU ON THERE, MARCY? YOU GOOD? YES.

OKAY.

WE'RE LIVE.

OKAY.

UH, SO WE HAVE A, A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, ASK QUESTIONS OF US.

SURE.

AND, UH, FROM YOUR APPLICATION, I DID HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

I KNOW YOU SAW YOU DID SOMETHING WITH THE MAIN STREET AND THAT WAS, WAS THAT TOWARD THE END OF THE MAIN STREET PROGRAM WHEN IT, UH, WAS DISBANDED? YEAH, SO I, YEAH.

UNTIL, UH, WHEN UH, WHEN THE CITY TOOK IT OVER AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BEFORE IT DID, IT HELPED OUT.

GOTCHA.

BECAUSE I WAS A LIAISON BACK FOR FOUR YEARS AT THE, THE LAST OF THE, UH, MAIN STREET PROGRAM.

UHHUH, AND I, I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING YOU THERE.

THAT'S WHY IT MUST'VE BEEN YEARS BEFORE THAT.

YEAH.

BUT I WAS THERE RIGHT BEFORE THEY, UH, THEN THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA TAKE IT OVER AND THAT WAS IT.

SO THEN I JUST STOPPED DOING IT.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO JUST ASK THESE QUESTIONS.

WE HAVE A TIGHT TIMELINE SO, UM, LET'S INTRODUCE OURSELVES.

WE COULD DO THAT TOO.

SO , SO I'M SCOTT LER, THE MAYOR.

RIGHT.

AND THIS IS, I'M HOLLY PLU VICE MAYOR.

OH, OKAY.

AND I'M NATE MYERS.

I'M THE CHAIR OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND SHE'S A NICE PERSON TOO.

MM-HMM .

SHE'S A NICE PERSON AND THAT, THAT'S MOSTLY WHO KEEPS US IN CHECK.

AND SO IN OTHER WORDS, SHE'S YOUR BOSS IN A WAY.

IN A WAY LOOKING AT IT.

YOU COULD LOOK AT IT.

YEAH, BECAUSE I REMEMBER PLACES I FELT OUT OR EVEN WORKED AT WHERE I WOULD SAY, LET'S SAY FOR HER THAT SHE'S THE BOSS AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE SAY, OH NO, I'M REALLY THE BOSS.

AND I SAID, WELL SHE HAS MORE KNOWLEDGE THAN YOU DO FAR AWAY THEN.

OH WELL.

YEAH.

ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED BECAUSE WE HAVE A TIGHT TIMELINE SO.

SURE.

OKAY.

SO, UH, WHY DO YOU WANT TO SERVE ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION? WELL, I FIGURED THAT WE DID UH, MAIN STREET, JIM AND ME WHEN HE WAS HERE TOO.

WHO WAS THAT? MY BROTHER.

OKAY.

I DON'T JIM WISE.

OKAY.

HE WAS ALSO ON THE MAIN STREET PROGRAM AND WE HELPED OUT AND TIMES I EVEN WALKED FROM HOME ALL THE WAY TO WHERE BURGER KING WAS AND PASSED THOSE STORES AND STUFF THAT HELPED OUT DURING LIKE HALLOWEEN AND CHRISTMAS.

WE HELPED DECORATE IT AND EVERYTHING AND DO WHATEVER ELSE.

EXCELLENT.

OKAY.

HOLLY, YOU WANT TO SURE.

IT'S A LONG QUESTION.

OKAY.

IN 1998, THE ARIZONA STATE PRESERVATION OFFICE.

MM-HMM WHICH WE CALL SHEPA, DESIGNATED THE CITY OF SEDONA AS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

MM-HMM TO SATISFY THE CITY'S CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT STATUS AND AGREEMENT WITH SHIPPO.

IT IS PREFERABLE THAT ALL HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE EXPERIENCE OR KNOWLEDGE IN AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING AREAS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

HISTORY, ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY, ARCHITECTURE, HISTORIC INTERIORS, PLANNING, ARCHEOLOGY, REAL ESTATE, HISTORIC PRESERVATION LAW, OR OTHER HISTORIC PRESERVATION RELATED FIELD.

WHAT EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEDGE, OR PERSPECTIVE WOULD YOU BRING TO THE COMMISSION IN ONE OF THESE AREAS? WELL, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE LAW OR I JUST HELPED OUT FOR, UH, IN PLACES AND STUFF AND I, AND THEN I HAD READ A BOOK OR WHATEVER AND THEN I JUST GAVE KNOWLEDGE TO WHAT SOMETHING ABOUT SOME PLACES AND STUFF LIKE THAT TYPE THING.

AND I'M NOT REALLY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND I JUST KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT HISTORY BUT NOTHING REALLY THAT I'M NO HISTORIAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND I JUST LIKE HELPING OUT .

OKAY.

WELL GOOD.

OKAY.

THAT'S

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GOOD.

UH, OKAY.

IN WHAT WAYS CAN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION CONTRIBUTE TO OUR CITY? WELL, SAYING THAT, UH, HOPEFULLY IT WILL KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS INSTEAD OF TEARING IT POWER, GETTING RID OF IT, THE HISTORY BUILD HISTORICAL BUILDINGS AND SITES AND EVERYTHING.

'CAUSE I KNOW SOMETIMES I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT PEOPLE SAYING THAT THEY SHOULD GET RID OF THIS, THAT AND OTHER THINGS.

AND I SAID WHY? IT'S PART OF THE SEDONA HISTORY AND WITH THE ACTORS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, LIKE THEY CAME AND DID IT.

THE WESTERNS LIKE JOHN WAYNE AND OTHER PEOPLE.

MM-HMM AND THAT'S, YOU SHOULD KEEP IT UP INSTEAD OF THROWING IT AWAY OR BURNING IT UP LIKE SOME PEOPLE HAD SAID AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND I DIDN'T THINK THAT WOULD BE CORRECT TO DO IT.

JUST KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS AND, AND HELP PEOPLE.

AND WHEN PEOPLE COME FOR VISITING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, HAVE TOURS AND SAY THIS WAS, THIS SITE WAS USED IN SUCH AND SUCH MOVIES OR PROGRAMS OR WHATEVER TYPE THING AND KEEP IT UP.

VERY GOOD.

COOL.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, NUMBER FOUR, WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE NATIONAL REGISTER REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES AND SEDONAS LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS AND HOW A PROPERTY BECOMES LISTED ON THEM? I MEAN, JUST LIKE I JUST SAID ABOUT KEEPING AWAY AND WELL YOU WANT ANY OTHER, YOU HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES IN SEDONAS, LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS.

I KNOW IT TAKES A WHILE, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, YOU HAVE TO IT BEFORE THE PLACE WOULD BE HYSTERICAL THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LIKE A HUNDRED YEARS OR OLDER.

50 50.

OH I KNOW SOME CASES IT WAS LIKE A HUNDRED PLUS.

'CAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER ONE PLACE.

I THINK IT WAS IN CHICAGO.

AND HE SAID WHAT HAD TO BE OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD AND I SAID, WELL IT IS.

THEY SAID, HOW DO YOU FIGURE? AND I SAID, WELL I LOOK THE DATE ON THE BUILDING JUST LOOK RIGHT.

THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO FIGURE BECAUSE IT WAS WELL OVER A HUNDRED YEARS AT THAT TIME.

.

ALRIGHT.

UH, HOLLY FIVE.

WHAT DO YOU SEE AS IMPORTANT PRESERVATION ISSUES FACING THE CITY OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND WHY ARE THEY IMPORTANT? WELL, LIKE THEY PRESERVING THE BUILDINGS AND EVERYTHING, THE SITES INSTEAD OF GETTING RID OF 'EM AND EITHER SELLING 'EM OFF OR TRADING 'EM FOR SOMETHING ELSE, BECAUSE I, I KNOW THERE WAS ONE THAT THEY WERE DOING AND THEN, UH, I THINK YOU GUYS GOT 'EM OR WHATEVER AND YOU PUT 'EM INTO, WAS IT A CAMPSITE OR SOMETHING? SOME OLD BUILDINGS AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS USED BEFORE THEY WERE DESTROYED.

I DON'T KNOW THAT ABOUT THAT.

THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE GOT MOVED TO THE MUSEUM.

YEAH, BECAUSE I REMEMBER WE HELPED OUT WITH THE MUSEUM TOO.

WE DONATED STUFF AND FOR THEM THAT THEY NEEDED OR THAT WE UP IN THE HEAD THAT WAS OLD AND EVERYTHING WE THOUGHT AND THEY THOUGHT, OH THAT WAS GREAT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

IS THERE A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? IF SO, HOW? PROBABLY CONSIDERING THAT IF YOU KEEP THE BUILDINGS AND THE SITE'S GOOD AND FIXED UP INSTEAD OF LETTING THEM BEING DISINTEGRATED OR DESTROYING THEM, THEN UH, PEOPLE COULD COME AND SEE IT.

AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE TOURS AND THEN PEOPLE COULD PAY TO SEE THE SITES AND EVERYTHING AND HAVE PEOPLE DO IT.

OR EVEN IF UH, LIKE IT'S AN OLD BUILDING AND HAVE PEOPLE DRESSED UP IN THE OUTFITS OF WHEN THE BUILDING WAS, LET'S SAY BRAND NEW AND EVERYTHING AND HAVE IT AND THEN THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES COULD SHOW WHAT THEY DID IN THAT BUILDING AND TALK ABOUT IT TO THE PEOPLE AND THEN THEY'LL SAY, GEE, THAT LOOKS NICE AND EVERYTHING.

MM-HMM .

AND KEEP IT THE WAY IF THAT'S MY FIGURE.

MM-HMM .

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, NUMBER SEVEN.

ARE THERE ANY IMPROVEMENTS, BUILDING STRUCTURES, OBJECTS, FEATURES, SITES, PLACES OR AREAS THAT YOU FEEL ARE ESPECIALLY SUITABLE CANDIDATES FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION DESIGNATION? REMEMBER THERE WAS ONE BUILDING I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS FALLING APART AND NOBODY WAS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT BUILDING IT WAS.

OKAY.

AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE SAME.

I, HOLLY IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ABOUT YOUR INTEREST IN SERVING ON SEDONAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION? I JUST LIKE DOUBTING OUT .

THAT'S THE SPIRIT,

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YOU KNOW, NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE AND PROBABLY ANY OF THAT STUFF OR ANYONE BUT LIKE, JUST LIKE HELPING AND THAT'S A GOOD THING.

WE, I WISH WE HAD MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT WANNA HELP.

THANK YOU.

UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF US? UH, I KNOW YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT MONDAY'S MEETINGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WAS IT THE MONDAY MEETINGS ONCE A MONTH? MM-HMM .

ONCE A MONTH.

WHAT TIME WOULD THAT BE? MONDAYS AT UH, WHAT'S THE FIRST, THE SECOND MONDAY EVERY MONTH? UH, AT FOUR O'CLOCK.

OKAY.

BECAUSE I'D BE ABLE TO TAKE THE SHUTTLE FROM WHERE, WALK FROM WHERE I LIVE TO UH, CHASE, HAR CHASE AND WHOLE FOODS.

AND THEN I COULD TAKE THE SHUTTLE SEDONA COTTONWOOD SHUTTLE AND THEN I COULD TAKE IT OVER TO HERE.

ESPECIALLY IF I DON'T GET A RIDE.

LIKE TODAY I WAS ABLE TO KNOCK WOOD, GOT A RIDE THAT I HELP THING OUT SOME PEOPLE AND STUFF.

MM-HMM .

AND I SAW A NEIGHBOR FRIEND THAT TOLD ME I SHOULD BE AT, UH, A PARTY THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE HAVING BECAUSE OF FRIEND OF THEIRS IS 90, 93, 98 YEARS OLD.

I, YES.

AND SHE ASKED ME IF I WAS GONNA GO TO IT.

WELL IT WAS FOR THE THANKSGIVING DEAL MEAL AND I SAID PROBABLY NOT.

AND THEN SHE SAID, I WANT YOU THERE BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO BE THERE BECAUSE ON HIS LAST BIRTHDAY AND HIS BROTHER'S BIRTHDAY, WHICH HIS BROTHER'S 10 YEARS DIFFERENT AGE THAN HE IS.

AND WE HAD A PARTY AND I HELPED FROM DAY ONE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PARTY AND THEN WASHED POTS AND PANS, DISHES AND EVERYTHING AND THEN GOT IT ALL SET UP AND THEN WHATEVER FOOD THAT WAS LEFT, I PUT IT BACK INTO HER VEHICLE FOR HER TO TAKE HOME WITH HER BECAUSE UH, THE FAMILY OF THE FRIEND THAT SHE'S WITH, UH, IS GONNA BE STAYING.

AND THEN THEY FIGURED THAT THEY COULD USE THE FOOD AND I FIGURED THEY COULD USE THE FOOD WHEN BEFORE THEY LEAVE AND IT'D BE ALL SET FOR.

WELL THANK YOU TOMMY.

YOU, I'D OBVIOUSLY LIKE TO YOU HELP OUT IN A LOT OF GOOD WAYS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY, GOOD.

WE'LL, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH.

YOU HAVE A QUESTION I JUST WANT NO, I JUST WANNA MENTION TO YOU, DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE NEW SHUTTLE CONNECT SERVICE? THEY'LL PICK YOU UP AT YOUR HOUSE AND TAKE YOU ANYWHERE IN THE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF METROPOLITAN IN SEDONA AREA FOR A DOLLAR A TRIP AND THEY'LL, AND YOU JUST EITHER, IS THAT LIKE A ROUND TRIP TRIP OR JUST NO, A WAIT TRIP.

SO IT'LL BE $2 FOR A ROUND TRIP AND THEY'LL PICK YOU UP AND YOU CAN SCHEDULE IT.

YOU CAN CALL ON THE PHONE, YOU CAN DO IT ON THE INTERNET AND THEY'LL JUST GET YOU FROM YOUR HOUSE.

OKAY.

'CAUSE I FIGURED I, 'CAUSE I DO LIKE IN THE MORNING, EVERY MORNING EXCEPT IF I GET A CALL SAYING FORGET DOING, LET'S SAY TOMORROW, LET'S SAY, AND I GO OUT, HELP OUT NEIGHBORS, PICK UP GARBAGE SWEEP, DO NEWSPAPERS GET MAIL FOR BESIDES FOR MY FAMILY AND ALSO GETTING MAIL FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

AND THEN I DROP IT OFF AT THEIR PLACES AND STUFF AND THE MAIL, NEWSPAPERS AND WHATEVER.

AND THEN UH, CHECK AROUND OTHER PEOPLE'S HOMES, SEE HOW THEY ARE AND EVERYTHING.

THEN I DO CALLS AND SEEING HOW THEY'RE DOING, IF THEY NEEDED ANY HELP AND TIMES THEY CALL ME EITHER LATE AT NIGHT OR EARLY IN THE MORNING TO CHECK THE PLACE OUT OR IF I HAVE TO DO A RUN TO UH, LIKE CVS OR WALGREENS OR WHEREVER THE DRUG STORE TO GET THEIR MEDICATION.

YEAH.

AND THEN I WAS CONCERNED THINKING THAT THE PLACE WAS ALREADY CLOSED.

'CAUSE I DIDN'T, I THOUGHT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT WAS DARK OUT AT THE TIME AND I SAID, DON'T THEY CLOSE AT LET'S SAY FIVE O'CLOCK? AND THEY SAID, WELL, THEY SAID THEY'RE GONNA STAY OPEN UNTIL YOU GET, GET THERE AND GET IT.

AND I SAID, OKAY, GIMME YOUR CREDIT CARD.

GIMME A PIECE OF PAPER SAYING THAT IT'S OKAY FOR ME TO USE YOUR CREDIT CARD AND YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND DESCRIBE ME TO THE PHARMACIST AND SAY, AND THEN I GO THERE AND THEN I SAID, DID THEY DESCRIBE YOU, ME TO YOU? OH YEAH, THEY DID A GREAT JOB.

THEN AFTER A WHILE THEY SAID, WELL WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE JUST HAD SAY WHAT'S HIS NAME? TOMMY.

OKAY.

WE KNOW HIM .

ANYWAY, I WANTED YOU, IT'S A NEW SERVICE AND I WANTED YOU TO KNOW ABOUT IT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU TOMMY.

THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR APPLYING.

WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, TAKE CARE.

YOU HAVE A NICE DAY.

I'LL TAKE CARE.

YOU TAKE CARE.

THANKS FOR UH, CALLING ME BACK.

SURE, YEAH.

THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST.

YOU CALLED ME AND TOLD ME THAT ABOUT TWO O'CLOCK AND I SAID OKAY, I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET, HOPEFULLY I GET YOUR OKAY, GOOD.

GLAD YOU MADE IT.

THANK, HAVE A NICE DAY.

YOU TOO.

MIC IS STILL ON.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

KAREN BECK WAS IN THE AUDIENCE AND WE TALKED ABOUT, SO KAREN, SHE VOLUNTEERS AT THE MUSEUM.

SHE'S THERE EVERY MONDAY.

CAN YOU TURN THAT OFF FOR A MINUTE PLEASE? UM,

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OKAY, WE'RE RECORDING.

DO YOU WANT TO STAY OPEN OR GO AND LOOK? UH, TALK ABOUT THE CAMPUS, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE CANDIDATES.

SO WE'LL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO GO CLOSE? CAN I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.

NATE, WHATCHA DOING? I JUST RIPPED THE RECORDER OUTTA THE WALL.

OH, YOU DID? SO I'M DOING TWO THINGS AT WHAT I WAS WONDERING WHERE WE'VE BEEN MOVED TO GO INTO EX SESSION AND I'M GONNA PAUSE THE RECORDER AND BECAUSE, AND I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THIS, KAREN, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU LEFT AN IMPRESSION ON ME WHEN WE MET, UH, BACK IN OPEN SESSION AT THAT MEETING.

SO I REALLY WANTED TO GIVE YOU EVERY OPPORTUNITY.

OH, THANK YOU.

OFFICIAL MERCY.

YES.

OKAY, BACK IN OPEN SESSION.

OKAY, SO WE'LL INTRODUCE OURSELVES.

YOU, YOU KNOW WHO I AM.

YOU KNOW WHO NATE IS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW WHO HOLLY PLU IS, SO I'LL LET HER INTRODUCE HERSELF.

YES, I KNOW HOLLY.

HI KAREN.

YEAH, SHE KNOWS ME.

.

HI.

GOOD, GOOD.

SO WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU, I DON'T KNOW, WE HAVE EIGHT QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE PRE PREPARED.

OKAY.

AND I'LL START WITH THE FIRST ONE.

UH, WHY DO YOU WANT TO SERVE ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION? BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE I WAS NEEDED.

HELLO? YEP.

WE'RE WE'RE WRITING THINGS DOWN THE DEAD.

YEAH.

THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF, IT SOUNDED LIKE TALKING TO NATE THAT IT SOUNDED LIKE I DID NOT WANT THAT.

AND ALL THOSE YEARS OF WORK I PUT IN TO GO FOR WASTE AND THERE'S NO WAY I WASN'T GOING TO HELP OUT AND KEEP IT GOING.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, IN NIGHT.

SO THIS IS A LONG QUESTION.

UH, IN 1998, AND YOU KNOW, MOST OF THIS, THE ARIZONA STATE PRESERVATION OFFICE, SHIPPO DESIGNATED THE CITY OF SEDONA AS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO SATISFY THE CITY'S CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT AGREEMENT WITH SHIPPO.

IT IS PREFERABLE THAT ALL HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE EXPERIENCE OR KNOWLEDGE IN AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING AREAS.

HISTORY, ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY, ARCHITECTURE, HISTORIC INTERIORS, PLANNING, ARCHEOLOGY, REAL ESTATE, HISTORIC PRESERVATION LAW, OR OTHER HISTORIC PRESERVATION RELATED FIELD.

WHAT EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEDGE, OR PERSPECTIVE WOULD YOU BRING TO THE COMMISSION? UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, HISTORY.

I'M A HISTORIAN.

ARCHEOLOGY, UM, DEFINITELY HISTORIC INTERIORS, EXTERIORS.

UM, THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS IT.

.

ALL RIGHT.

FABULOUS.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UH, IN WHAT WAYS CAN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION CONTRIBUTE TO OUR CITY? BY PRESERVING ITS PAST, IT SHOWS THE WAY TO THE FUTURE, AND THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO SEE OUR PAST, TO HAVE A GOOD FUTURE.

AND, UH, IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR PAST, HOW COULD YOU DO ANYTHING? WELL SAID.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE BEST ANSWER I'VE EVER HEARD IN DOING THESE INTERVIEWS, , IT REALLY IS.

THANK YOU FOR DOING, FOR SAYING THAT.

OKAY.

PAPER CUT.

YEAH.

WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES AND SEDONAS LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS AND HOW A PROPERTY BECOMES LISTED ON THEM? WELL, FIRST YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LOCAL PRESERVATION, UH, LANDMARK STATUS PRIMARILY.

I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO, THAT'S THE PREFERABLE, THEN YOU GO FOR NATIONAL, IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE LOCAL PRESERVATION IS MORE, UH, STRINGENT AND IS EASIER TO MAKE PEOPLE KIND OF TOE THE MARK A. LITTLE BIT.

THE NATIONAL, UH, CANNOT DO AS MUCH TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS THE LOCALS CAN.

OH, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

ACTUALLY.

ONE WOULD YOU WOULD THINK THAT, BUT IT'S NOT TRUE.

SO, UH, AND I KNOW PLACES IN PRESCOTT, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF NATIONAL, BUT THEY'RE NOT AS PRESERVED AS THEY SHOULD BE.

I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT TOO, UNTIL YEARS AGO.

AND NO, THE NATIONAL IS A LOVELY DESIGNATION TO HAVE, BUT YOU REALLY MUST HAVE THE LOCAL, UH, ORDINANCE AND ALL THE ELEMENTS.

EVERYTHING HAS TO BE IN PLACE SO YOU CAN PRESERVE THEM WITH SOME, UH, SOME, UH, FORCE BEHIND IT WITH, WITH, UH, LEGISLATION.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

INTERESTING.

DO WE HAVE ANY THAT ARE NATIONALLY LANDMARK? OH, YES.

OH YES.

THE, THE JORDAN

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PROPERTY IS, UH, THE, THE CHAPEL IS, UM, SURE, OF COURSE.

THE CHAPEL.

YEAH, YEAH.

UM, THE, THE JORDAN PROPERTY RANGER STATION IS OH, REALLY? YEP, YEP.

BECAUSE IT WAS A FOREST SERVICE BUILDING OR YEAH.

FOR ITS HISTORY IS A FOREST SERVICE BUILDING.

YEP.

AND ONE OF THE EARLIEST ONES, THE EXISTING FOREST SERVICE BUILDING IS NOW THE OLDEST STANDING BUILDING HERE IN SEDONA RIGHT NOW THAT HAS BEEN LANDMARKED AND NATIONALLY AND LOCALLY.

THE HEART STORES ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER TOO.

YEAH.

YEAH.

OKAY.

HEART STORES.

OH YEAH, HEART STORES.

AND, UM, AND THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH MORE.

I GOT GOTTA, I GOTTA GET WORKING ON .

OKAY.

WE'VE GOT GOTTA PRESERVE I GUESS YEARS GO BY, MORE OF 'EM BECOME UH, UH OKAY.

TO BE A LANDMARK.

YEAH.

WHAT DO YOU SEE AS IMPORTANT PRESERVATION ISSUES FACING THE CITY OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND WHY ARE THEY IMPORTANT? UH, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS BEING JUST LANDMARKING ALL OF OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS, , GETTING AS MANY LANDMARKED AS AS POSSIBLE AND, UH, TALKING TO THE, UM, OWNERS OF THE PROPERTIES TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S TO THEIR ADVANTAGE TO HAVE A HISTORICALLY PRESERVATION, UH, AND THAT HAVE THAT STATUS, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THAT.

AND IT'S OFTEN HELPS WITH, UH, THE INCREASE IN THE SALE OF THE HOUSE.

IT CAN MAKE IT BE MORE VALUABLE.

UH, AND SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO GET SOMEBODY TO WANT TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY REALIZE THAT THERE IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT HAS TO GO ALONG THAT THEY HAVE TO, UH, AE TO, BUT MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT IT.

THERE'S A FEW THAT, UH, HAVEN'T, BUT BASICALLY IT'S ALL WALKIE PCE , SO THAT HELP OUT.

WELL, YEAH, THAT'S A BIG HELP.

ALL RIGHT, HOLLY? NO, IT JUST WENT TO NATE.

UH, NATE, KAREN, IS THERE A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? IF SO, HOW? OH GOSH, I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT THAT WAY.

ABSOLUTELY.

UH, IF YOU'VE GOT HISTORIC, I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH FOR VISITORS TO SEDONA AND AREA WHEN THEY COME.

THEY CAN DO, UH, WE COULD EVEN HAVE, UH, DRIVING MAPS OF OUR HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND, AND IT CAN BRING PEOPLE IN BECAUSE WE HAVE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND IT CAN DEFINITELY HELP ECONOMICALLY TO BRING PEOPLE IN TO VIEW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD THAT LIKE TO SEE THE HISTORIC ASPECTS.

OKAY.

UH, ARE THERE ANY IMPROVEMENTS, BUILDING STRUCTURES, OBJECTS, FEATURES, SITES, PLACES OR AREAS THAT YOU FEEL ARE ESPECIALLY SUITABLE CANDIDATES FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION DESIGNATION? HOW MUCH TIME YOU GOT ? SO I'LL TAKE THAT AS A YES.

OKAY.

, I, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IF, WHEN I, IF I CAN BECOME A COMMISSIONER, IS TO GET THE VAN AND GO ON A TOUR WITH THE, WITH THE COMMISSION AND SHOW THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOW CAN BE LANDMARKED PENDING SOMEBODY LETTING IT HAPPEN.

BUT THEY, THEY, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW, UH, SURPRISINGLY, AND THERE'S SOME THAT I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO DO.

WE DO NEED TO DO A NEW, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UM, UH, LANDMARK.

WE NEED TO, TO, WHAT DO WE CALL IT? MY BRAIN'S DEAD.

I HAVE TO, BUT FORGIVE ME, I'M RUNNING ON, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SURVEY? SURVEY? THE SURVEY.

WE NEED NEW, DO A NEW SURVEY.

UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME PROPERTIES THAT I NEVER GOT SURVEYED BEFORE AND UM, WOULD LIKE TO GET THEM BACK.

OKAY.

THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

AND YOU'LL HAVE TO TALK TO THAT CHAIR, WHOEVER THE CHAIR OF THE ORGANIZATION IS.

YEAH, THAT GUY.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT GUY.

.

HOLLY, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD ABOUT YOUR INTEREST IN SERVING ON SEDONAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION? EXCUSE ME.

WHAT, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ABOUT YOUR INTEREST IN SERVING ON THIS S-P-C-H-P-C-C-I, I'M BEING TOLD I HAVE TO MOVE TO ANOTHER AREA.

OH, .

IT'S THE CITY COUNCIL I'M TALKING TO.

OH YEAH.

HOLD, HOLD ON JUST A SECOND.

SURE.

I'LL JUST GO UPSTAIRS.

DON'T GO DOWNSTAIRS.

WE CAN STILL HEAR YOU UPSTAIRS.

OH, OKAY.

HOLD ON JUST A MINUTE.

I HAVE TO DO RELOCATE.

OKAY.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANTED.

I HAVE TO GO DOWNSTAIRS WHERE THEY, THEY HAVE SOME OTHER PEOPLE.

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MY FAMILY HAS SOME OTHER PEOPLE COMING IN, SOME WORKERS.

AND I HAVE TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION.

SO JUST A MINUTE HERE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

NOW THE LAST QUESTION.

WHAT DID YOU HAVE? WHAT DID YOU WANT? YEAH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD ABOUT YOUR INTEREST IN SERVING ON THE HPC? WELL, IT'S JUST SO IMPORTANT BEING A HISTORIAN, ARCHEOLOGY AND SUCH.

MY BACKGROUND'S WHAT I DO AND UH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

I WAS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE SANTA BARBARA HISTORICAL SOCIETY MUSEUM AND WHEN YOU, UH, LIVED FOR YEARS IN SANTA BARBARA, HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS JUST SORT OF IN YOUR BLOOD.

SO, UH, AND THAT IS WHERE I REALLY CAME IN, ALTHOUGH I'VE DONE HISTORY ALL MY LIFE, BUT IT WAS JUST WHEN WE MOVED IN 1988 TO SEDONA AND I SAW BUILDINGS BEING TORN DOWN, I WAS LIKE, NO, NO, NO, NO, WE CAN'T DO THIS.

AND I GOT BUSY 15 YEARS LATER, WE HAVE IT ALL.

THAT'S BEEN MY INTEREST.

GREAT ANSWER TOO.

THANK YOU.

I'M SO HAPPY THAT YOUR SON CAME OUT OF THIS SURGERY SUCCESSFULLY.

YEAH, WE HOPE.

WE HOPE SO.

IT'S, IT'S, UH, HE'S HAD A ROUGH PATCH AND HOPEFULLY HE, UM, WILL BE I APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, SAYING THAT 'CAUSE IT MEANS A LOT AND I'M, YOU KNOW, BE HEADING BACK TO SEDONA FAIRLY SOON.

I'M JUST GONNA GET DOWN ON THE INTERSTATE AND GO HOME, BUT I, UH, YOU'LL BE HERE FOR ANOTHER DAY OR TWO AND THEN I'M HEADING HOME.

BUT YEAH, HE'S BEEN, IT'S A ROUGH PATCH AND HE'S, UH, ONLY 61, SO IT'S KIND OF TOO YOUNG.

.

SO.

WELL, THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME FOR, YOU JUST HELPED MOVE THIS PROCESS ALONG BY ABOUT TWO MONTHS, SO THANK YOU.

GOOD TIMING ON THE CALL, KAREN.

YEAH, WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND BEST OF LUCK.

SAFE TRIP BACK UP HERE.

NATE, IF I DON'T MAKE IT IN ON MONDAY, BECAUSE, BECAUSE I MAY HAVE, MIGHT BE DRIVING BACK, I'LL, IT'S A 10 HOUR DRIVE ALL THE WAY BACK TO SEDONA, SO I MAY NOT COME MONDAY.

YOU'D BE SAFE.

TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.

IF I GO SATURDAY THEN I'LL BE A MONDAY, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YEAH, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

YOU, YOU TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.

YOU TAKE CARE OF YOUR SON, WE'LL BE OKAY.

BYE.

HELLO? YEAH.

ALRIGHT, WELL TAKE CARE.

WE'RE GONNA DISCONNECT.

OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY, THANKS KAREN.

BYE KAREN.

OKAY, BYE-BYE NOW.

BYE.

OKAY, SO WE'LL GO BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION THEN, OKAY? OKAY, WE'RE BACK IN OPEN SESSION.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE BEEN, I'M JUST FOLLOWING YOUR LEAD.

SO I MOVE, WE APPOINT KAREN STOOP AND BOBBY WOODS TO OUR TWO OPEN POSITIONS ON THIS DOOR PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

SECOND.

OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE, AYE.

AND THAT WOULD BE UNANIMOUS WITH NO OPPOSITION.

SO, UH, OKAY.

THIS MEETING IS NOW ADJOURNED.

WELL DONE.

GOOD WORK.