* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] THE SPECIAL MEETING OF THE, [Special City Council on December 18, 2024.] UH, JOINT MEETING OF THE SEDAN CITY COUNCIL AND THE SIFY DISTRICT GOVERNING BOARD IS CALLED ORDER PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, REPUBLIC ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY FOR ALL. I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WELCOME OUR GUESTS AND, AND OUR MEMBERS OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL. AND I THINK IT'S, UH, WORTHWHILE ALSO GOING AROUND JUST DOING A QUICK INTRODUCTION. SO, UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MR. MAYOR, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO START US OFF. SCOTT. JOB, THE MAYOR, CITY HOLLY FLU VICE MAYOR, RYAN FUL, CITY COUNCIL. KIM SMITHERS, UM, EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT LANCE BERT, BOARD MEMBER DIANA CHRISTENSEN, FIRE BOARD. HELEN MCNEIL, CHAIR OF THE SUN FIRE DISTRICT BOARD. COREY COOPERMAN, UH, CLERK OF THE SEDONA FIRE. SCOTT SPRING ON THE BOARD. ED ULA, FIRE CHIEF PETE PERMAN, CITY COUNCIL. ALYSSA DUN, CITY COUNCIL. LET'S CAST THE AUDIENCE. YEAH. HI. AND THAT SPEAKER STICKER, CITY MANAGER FOR SEDONA. CYNTHIA, LOVELY PRINCIPAL PLANNER, CITY OF STONE. STEVE MERTIS, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WITH CITY OF SEDONA. KURT CHRISTENSEN, CITY ATTORNEY BLAWAN WHITE PARKING MANAGER FOR THE CITY. DAVID BARON, OWNER OF 4 61 FOREST ROAD. DEPUTY FOLEY, PLEASE, CHIEF JOSH MAXWELL, THE FIREFIGHTER BOARD MEMBER AT COPPER CANYON AND UNION MEMBER, OH, JANET CITIZEN, THAT'S ONLY IN THE LAST 24 HOURS. BILL WHITTINGTON, BOARD COUNCIL FOR SEDONA FIRE. AND WE HAVE CY GARNER, DEPUTY CITY CLERK. CITY OF SEDONA. WELL, WELCOME EVERYONE. UH, WE'RE DELIGHTED TO HAVE THIS MEETING AND APPRECIATE IT TAKING PLACE THIS CLOSE TO CHRISTMAS BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYONE'S CALENDARS ARELIKE. UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE HAVE A GOOD SUCCESSFUL MEETING AND, UM, JUST SET THE PRECEDENT FOR GOOD WORK GOING FORWARD. UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT I CAN SAY TO EVERYONE IS THAT WHAT I HOPE WE COME OUT OF TODAY IS SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR ALL OF US, WORKS FOR THE S FIRE DISTRICT, WORKS FOR THE CITY, SEDONA, AND GIVES US A POSITIVE PLACE TO BUILD ON. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD IN THAT SPIRIT OF COOPERATION TO LOTS OF QUESTIONS, LOTS OF COMMUNICATION, SHARING OF IDEAS, UH, AND EXCHANGES SO THAT WE CAN GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. SO WITH THAT, AND I WOULD ALSO, UH, MR. MAYOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE WE MOVE ON? UM, I HAD PREPARED ANYTHING, BUT JUST I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPEN DIALOGUE THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TODAY. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO COMING TO SOME KIND OF, UH, RESOLUTION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. OKAY. WELL, WITH THAT, UM, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO OUR FIRE CHIEF, MR. MISSOULA. ALRIGHT. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, COUNCIL CITY STAFF. UH, THANK YOU. AND I, I, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL TAKING THE TIME TO DO THIS AS A POINT OF ORDER. UM, SHE IS IN A TWO HOUR CHAIR. IT'S RATED FOR TWO HOURS OF CONVERSATION, SO, UM, THE HOPE IS THAT WE CAN, WE CAN RESPECT HER, HER, HER HEALTH AND BACK PAIN. UM, SO AS MANY AS I BELIEVE EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE MET A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AND LEFT THAT MEETING WITH, WITH, UH, WHITTLING DOWN OPPORTUNITIES TO 4 0 1 JORDAN ROAD AND THE POTENTIAL OF ACQUISITION OF PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE CURRENT STATION FOUR. UM, SINCE THAT MEETING, WE'VE CONDUCTED APPRAISALS OF BOTH THE PRIVATE PROPERTIES, UH, ARE STATIONED PROPER AND THEN THE 4 0 1 JORDAN ROAD PROPERTY AND I BELIEVE YOU ALL HAVE HAD THAT, GOT THAT INFORMATION. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, FURTHER REVIEW, TALKING TO SOME PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH CONTRACTORS AND ARCHITECTS, UM, LOOKING AT INCREASED TRAFFIC WITH THE PARKING GARAGE AND THE THROUGH THE THROUGHWAY WITH FOREST ROAD. UH, WE'RE STILL IN A POSITION WHERE 4 0 1 JORDAN IS REALLY A GOOD OPTION FOR US. AND, UH, FURTHER CEMENTING [00:05:01] THAT IS, IS THE FACT THAT ONE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS IS STEADFAST IN HIS RESOLVE THAT HE HAS NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER IN SELLING HIS PROPERTY. AND SO, UM, IT WOULD REALLY CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE IF WE WERE TO GO TO THE ROUTE OF ATTEMPTING TO ACQUIRE IT, IT WOULD ADD YEARS AND DOLLARS TO OUR PROCESS THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND, AND MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT NEEDS. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE AS AN OPENER. AND, UM, I, I GUESS I JUST WOULD REQUEST WE OPEN FOR DIALOGUE, KIND OF SEE WHERE EVERYBODY LANDS SINCE THE LAST MEETING AND EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO DIGEST THE PROCESS, IF YOU WOULD. WELL, I'LL BE PLEASED TO START OFF. ALRIGHT. UM, SO AS, AS, UH, OUR CHIEF HAS SAID THE REASON FOR PARTICULARLY, UM, OUR DESIRE TO, TO BUILD OUR, UH, STATION, STATION FOUR ON JORDAN ROAD IS, UM, FOR ONE, IT GIVES US BETTER ACCESS OUT OF THE STATION AND TO, AND TO GET TO THE PEOPLE IN NEED. IT INCREASES OUR RESPONSE TIME A BIT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO STOP, UH, AND HAVE SOME OF OUR, UH, STAFF HOLD BACK THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC OR ALSO DEAL WITH THE CARS COMING DOWN, UH, FOREST ROAD. THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UH, CHIEF I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TERMS OF OUR BUILD, IT'S A RELATIVELY FLAT LOSS. AND SO OUR COST IN BUILDING, UH, DEFINITELY DECREASED. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT, YEAH. COMPARED TO PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE ELSE. YES. UH, SO THOSE, THOSE ARE MY, UH, OFFERINGS, UH, TO THE CONVERSATION THAT, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, REALLY POINT TO THE VALUE OF, OF THE PARKING LOT ON. CAN I ASK A QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR? YES. SO IF YOU, UH, YOU FEEL THAT 4 0 1 JORDAN IS THE BEST LOCATION FOR THE FIREHOUSE AND LIVE FIREHOUSE, WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR THE EXISTING STATION, UH, AND, AND ANY OF THE SURROUNDING LANDS? IF, IF I MAY, UM, AND I, I, I AM OPERATING UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE CITY ISN'T INTERESTED IN THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY. SO IF, IF I AM INCORRECT, CORRECT ME. SO IF IF AT THE END OF THE DAY WE WERE TO MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP OF THAT PROPERTY, UM, THERE ARE SOME CERTAIN, THE ONE CERTAINTY IS THAT WE HAVE TO REMAIN, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP OF A PART OF THAT PROPERTY FOR THAT TOWER. UM, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA FIND A SPOT IN UPTOWN TO BUILD ANOTHER TOWER EVER. WE ALSO HAVE SOME GRANDFATHER FCC COMMUNICATION AGREEMENTS THAT ARE WHAT I UNDERSTAND WOULD BE KNOWN AND VOID IF WE ATTEMPTED REMOVE THE TOWER BECAUSE OF ITS LEGACY, UM, PLACEMENT. SO THAT BEING SAID, IT MAKES THE PROPERTY LESS DESIRABLE. UM, WE'VE SPITBALLED SOME IDEAS, UH, AND AGAIN, THIS HAS NOT BEEN, UH, DISCUSSED WITH THE BOARD AND IT IS JUST INTER STAFF CONVERSATIONS. UH, I I, I ENVISION WE, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, THE FIRE DISTRICT DOESN'T OWN, OTHER THAN OUR STATIONS, WE DON'T HAVE A, WE DON'T HAVE A LIST OF PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN. WE DON'T HAVE ANY REAL ESTATE. SO WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD ENVISION IS, UM, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, WE HAVE A STATION EIGHT THAT'S DOWN, UM, RIGHT AS YOU LEAVE TOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL, RIGHT PAST THE LOOP ROAD. CURRENTLY THAT STATION IS A SINGLE BAY AND IT'S USED FOR, UH, OUR IT DIVISION AND IT, I BELIEVE THAT WITH THE POTENTIAL GROWTH IN THIS REGION, THERE'S GONNA BE A POINT CERTAIN IN THE NEAR FUTURE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO EVALUATE PUTTING SOME EQUIPMENT AT THAT STATION AND STAFFING IT, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE'LL NEED A SPOT FOR IT AND SOME DIFFERENT SUPPORT SERVICES. I WOULD, I WOULD ENVISION A BEAUTIFICATION AND, YOU KNOW, ADDITION OF A SIDEWALK AND SOME LANDSCAPE TO MUTE AND, AND BEAUTIFY THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND POTENTIALLY USE THAT, UH, DO A TENANT IMPROVEMENT ON ONE OF THOSE STRUCTURES, MAYBE PROBABLY HAVE TO REMOVE ONE AND THEN DO A TENANT IMPROVEMENT ON THE OTHER AND MOVE SOME OF OUR SUPPORT SERVICES THERE. AND I'M NOT TALKING AN ACTIVE MECHANIC SHOP WHERE A GUY'S WRENCHING AND BLOWING A RATCHET ALL DAY. BUT, UM, POTENTIALLY OUR, SOME OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS, OUR COMMUNITY RISK FUNCTIONS, WE HAVE, IT GIVES US SOME FLEXIBILITY. UM, AND THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE I GO OFF TRACK SOMETIMES AND THINK 15, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. BUT IF, IF ALL PANS OUT AND WE, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE OUR SITUATION WITH OUR STATION FOUR, WE THEN HAVE A, A NEED FOR OUR STATION FIVE AND OAK CREEK CANYON. AND BASED ON THE TIMELINE, BY THE TIME THOSE TWO ARE DONE, THIS STATION'S GONNA BE IN EXCESS OF 40 YEARS OLD. AND SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO VALUE OPPORTUNITIES TO UPDATE THIS PLACE. SO OUR, OUR CAPITAL OUT 15 YEARS WITH MAINTAINING THAT PROPERTY AND BEAUTIFYING IT IN ALIGNMENT [00:10:01] WITH THE UPTOWN CHARACTER IDEAS WOULD ALLOW US TO RESTRUCTURE SOME OF OUR SUPPORT SERVICES IN A WAY THAT KEEPS IT CENTRAL TO THE DISTRICT AND ISN'T A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE, THE VISUAL PIECE OF THE UPTOWN CORRIDOR. AND THAT'S, AGAIN, HASN'T BEEN DEEPLY DISCUSSED, IT'S JUST SOME STAFF IDEAS, BUT, UM, WE WOULDN'T JUST ABANDON IT AND, AND SLAP SOME PAINT ON IT AND HOPE IT LOOKS PRETTY. THERE WOULD BE A, A THOUGHTFUL APPROACH TO IMPROVING ITS APPEARANCE AND USEFULNESS. WELL, CHIEF, I APPRECIATE THAT, ESPECIALLY THE LONG RANGE VISION THAT YOU HAVE. IT IS, UH, VERY INTERESTING AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I KNOW THAT SOMEBODY HAD CONTACTED ME WITH A CONCERN THAT YOU WERE JUST GOING TO SELL FOR A COMMERCIAL ENTITY. UH, AND I EXPLAINED TO THEM SOME OF THE ISSUES, BUT HAVING THIS MENTIONING HERE I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND, AND TO THAT POINT, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT A BOARD'S GONNA DO IN FIVE, EIGHT YEARS, BUT, BUT I CAN SAY WITH SOME CONFIDENCE, I'M NOT A, I'M NOT A CITY PLANNER AND I'M NOT A PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT GUY, BUT WITH AN RF TOWER AND, AND WHAT SPACE WOULD REMAIN ON THAT PROPERTY, I, I, I DON'T SEE IT BEING VIABLE FOR MULTI, MULTI-USE HOUSING. AND, AND IF ANYTHING SOMEBODY WOULD MAKE IT THE FIREHOUSE BREW PUB OR SOMETHING AND THEN THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER RESTAURANT IN UPTOWN. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UM, I, LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THIS OR A FUTURE BOARD, BUT I DON'T THINK LOOKING AT ITS APPRAISED VALUE RIGHT NOW, IF WE FURTHER CUT IT UP TO ENSURE WE HAVE SPACE TO MAINTAIN OUR TOWER, UM, FOR OUR TAXPAYERS, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A TRUE ADDED VALUE TO REALLY GETTING AGGRESSIVE WITH ATTEMPTING TO COMMERCIALIZE IT. BUT I SAID IT WOULDN'T BE UP TO ME. WELL, THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS? YES, THANK YOU CHAIRPERSON. I, I GUESS STATING WHAT SOUNDS LIKE THE OBVIOUS THEN, UH, YOUR DESIRE IS TO BUY A 4 0 1 JORDAN PROPERTY. YOU'RE NOT LOOKING TO HOPE THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO DO A LAND SWAP OR, OR IN ANY OTHER WAY. JUST YOU WOULD LIKE TO OBTAIN 4 0 1 JORDAN FROM THE CITY AND BE ABLE TO BUILD A FIREHOUSE THERE. THAT, THAT IS CORRECT. UM, THERE, THERE ARE SOME SMALL OPPORTUNITIES WITH SOME OF THE PROPERTY WE HAVE, BUT I, I THINK THE CLEANEST WOULD BE TO JUST GET THE PROPERTY. I SUPPORT THAT. I THINK WE SHOULD BE CLEAN AND SIMPLE AND JUST SELL THE PROPERTY ON THINKING ABOUT THAT HAS EVOLVED SINCE OUR LAST MEETING. QUOTE THE EVOLUTION. YES. AND UH, AND I'M COMFORTABLE IF WE, YOU KNOW, ARRIVE AT A MUTUALLY AGREEABLE PRICE BASED ON THE APPRAISALS THAT WE HAVE, THAT THAT WOULD BE THE, THE BEST. WE HAVE SOME PROPERTY WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IN ANOTHER LOCATION AND WE COULD ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY WITH THE PROCEEDS FROM THE SALE AND THAT WOULD BE A BETTER LOCATION THAN AND USE FOR US. OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I LIKE THE SIMPLE SALE APPROACH. WHEN I SAW THE APPRAISALS FOR SOME OF THE EXISTING LAND WAS THINKING YOU WERE PROPOSING A SWAP AND I WAS JUST WONDER WHAT THE CITY WAS GONNA DO POSSIBLY DO WITH ANY OF THAT LAND. YEAH. UM, BUT NO, I DO, I LIKE THE IDEA OF JUST A STRAIGHT SALE. IT'S SIMPLE. AVOID CONDEMNATION, AVOID ALL OF THE COMPLICATIONS THAT COME EXPANDING THE EXISTING SIDE OR LOOKING AT ONE OF THE OTHER ONES. AND I, I WANT TO CLARIFY THE, THE PURPOSE OF GETTING ALL PROPERTIES APPRAISED WAS BECAUSE THAT THOSE ARE THE PROPERTIES WE LEFT THE LAST MEETING WITH ON, ON THE TABLE. AND I, I DIDN'T WANT TO COME BACK AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITHOUT KNOWING TRUE VALUE. 'CAUSE I THINK, 'CAUSE IF WE JUST APPRAISED OUR, OUR PUBLIC PROPERTIES AND THEN THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PRIVATE, THEN IT WOULD BE A DO OVER. AND SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET THE TOTALITY OF IT SO WE HAD A GOOD PICTURE. AND I DIDN'T HAVE ALL THAT BACKGROUND. I WASN'T HERE THE TIME BEFORE. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I GUESS AS CHAIR CHIEF YOU HAD MENTIONED ACTIVE OR REPURPOSING, REACTIVATING THAT BUILDING AND YOU SAID A LOT OF POSITIVE WORDS, BUT I, I AM THOUGHTFUL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU RELOCATE ACTIVATE 4 0 1 JORDAN WITH THE FIRE STATION, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE CURRENT DEACTIVATING, THE PROPERTY THAT'S THERE. YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD HAD SOME USE, BUT WHEN WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THAT AND REPURPOSE THAT BUILDING? INITIAL, AN INITIAL BLUSH. AGAIN, WE'VE HAD PIE IN THE SKY CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF, HEY, THE WHAT IFS. AND UH, IT IS MY BELIEF THAT THE, THE BUILDING THAT'S NOT THE FIRE STATION, WE REFER TO IT AS THE ANNEX. IT, [00:15:01] IT WAS PURPOSE BUILT BY COO COUNTY AS THE FIRST JAIL IN TOWN. AND, UH, IT, IT IS A GOOD SPACE FOR OUR IT DIVISION. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT OUR RADIO, RADIO FOLKS AND IN OUR IT, UM, THAT WOULD BE A, A FACELIFT TO THE BUILDING TO, TO ALIGN WITH THE CHARACTER AREA OF UPTOWN AND IN A, A PRETTY MILD, UH, TENANT IMPROVEMENT OF THE INTERIOR. IT'S ALREADY KIND OF SET UP AS OFFICE SPACE. SO, UM, WITH BOARD APPROVAL, I WOULD, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT PIECE COULD HAPPEN IN CONCERT WITH DEVELOPMENT OF A STATION IF IT, IF, IF IT'S FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE. NOW THE FIRE STATION, UM, OF COURSE WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD TO THE OTHER STATION, VACATE IT, AND THEN, THEN BY THEN I BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE A SOLID PLAN FOR IT. BUT, SO ESSENTIALLY THE ANNEX WOULD BE BEAUTIFIED AND THEN DO SOME WORK TOT ON THE FRONT AND THEN THE, THE STATION WOULD FOLLOW SUIT AFTER, AFTER THE NEW STATION IS CONSTRUCTED, IF THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. BUT OBVIOUSLY COULDN'T DO MUCH TO IT UNTIL WE GET THE KNUCKLE LENS OUT. BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY ONCE THEY'RE OUT OF USING THAT SPACE, WHETHER IT'S FOR OUR COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION OR CORRECT, A VARIETY OF WAYS, THE EXISTING SPACE TO BE USED. AND SO AGAIN, I HAVEN'T HAD AN ENGINEERED DEEP DIVE IT YET BECAUSE IT'S, THERE'S A COST AND, AND UNTIL WE HAVE A SOLUTION, I DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT. BUT PRELIMINARILY THE CONCERNS ABOUT OUR CURRENT STATION FOUR IS THE, IS THE DYNAMIC LOADING OF THAT BUILDING, THE FIRE TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT CONSTANTLY AND THE, AND THE SUBFLOOR AND ALL OF THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT, HUNDREDS OF MILES OF CABLING THAT SUPPORTED THE DISPATCH AND PRIMARY PSAP CENTER FOR DECADES AND, AND, UM, IN A BUILDING THAT WASN'T BUILT TO SUPPORT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. SO, UH, PRELIMINARY VIEWS FROM SOME CONTRACTORS IS THAT IF, IF THAT STATION WAS HAD A TENANT IMPROVEMENT TO BETTER SUIT IT FOR A STATIC LOADING OF AN OFFICE SPACE, UM, WE WE COULD MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER MODELING UPTOWN STRUCTURES AND USE THAT AS AGAIN, LIKE AN ADMINISTRATIVE OR SUPPORT SERVICES FACILITY. NO, UM, TO BE FAIR, NO, THAT'S IN THE BUDGET YET. NO, THE BOARD REALLY HASN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT THIS POTENTIAL USES OR WHEN THAT MIGHT OCCUR AND SEE THAT. PLEASE STOP ME. BUT, UM, SO IN THE BUDGET AND BUDGETED, SO WE HAVE, WE, THE FIRE BOARD HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY IN THE PAST ALMOST DECADE TO BUILD UP CAPITAL FOR THE KNOWN PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE. SO WHILE THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT AS A, A TI IS NOT DEFINED, IT COULD BECOME PART OF THE, THE REQUEST FOR QUOTE THAT WE DO WHEN WE BUILD THE STATION OR A PART OF THE PRO STATION FOR PROJECT OR REDO. AND THAT WOULD BE INTERNAL CONVERSATIONS. BUT, UM, AGAIN, THERE, THERE ARE, WE HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF CASH FLOWS TO SUPPORT THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS. 'CAUSE WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT THEM FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. CHAIR. UM, AS THE VICE SAID, I I, I AGREE WITH HER ON THAT. SO, UH, BUT MY QUESTION IS ONCE WE SETTLE ON A PRICE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED HERE OR EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT ALL OF US TOGETHER, HOW THAT WOULD WORK. UM, CORRECT. DO YOU HAVE ANY PREFERENCE ON HOW THAT WOULD PLAN? SO THE, THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE TO DO IT'S PROCESS FOR SELLING PROPERTY, WHICH IS GONNA HAVE TO POST NOTICE AND, UM, HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, AND IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE FOR THE FAIR MARKET VALUE. SO I DON'T THERE'S ANYTHING REALLY TO DISCUSS. SO THE APPRAISAL, THE APPRAISAL UNLESS HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE APPRAISAL. OKAY. I JUST WANT, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE. SO, UH, THAT MAKES IT EVEN CLEANER. UH, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD FASTER. ASSUMING THAT ALL PLAYS OUT, PICK A MONTH, JUNE, MAY, APRIL NEXT WEEK. I, I DUNNO, WHAT WOULD BE THE TIMEFRAME FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO BEGIN? YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE AN ARCHITECT COME IN AND DO ALL THOSE DESIGNS, RIGHT. IDEA WHAT THE TIMEFRAME WAS. IF WHEN, UH, IT IS POSTED AT FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND THE INTENT TO SELL IS, IS MADE PUBLIC, UH, WE WOULD THEN INITIATE AN RFQ PROCESS AND START TO START TO ALIGN. WE'VE ALREADY GOT COMMITTEE WORK GOING ON FOR THE AS NEEDS FOR THE STATION AND WE WOULD START AN RFQ PROCESS AND, UM, SPEAKING WITH MULTIPLE ARCHITECTS AND THE, THE FIRE STATION CONTRACTORS IN THE STATE, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS OF, OF PLANNING AND GETTING IN THE WEEDS. AND THEN, AND THEN WE WOULD START, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA DO DEMO AND IF, [00:20:01] IF IT WAS 4 0 1 JORDAN, FIND SOMEBODY TO TAKE THAT BOLT OUT TO THE LITTLE PROCESS AND THEN, UH, AS SOON AS DEMO'S DONE, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS, DOES THE CONTRACTOR, DO THE BUILDING CONTRACTOR ALSO FACILITATE THE DEMO? DO WE SPLIT OUT THE RF QS? THAT ALL WOULD HAPPEN. I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE LINING THAT STUFF UP IF THERE WAS A, IF IT WAS PUBLICLY MADE AVAILABLE OR MADE AWARE THAT WE WERE INTENT TO BUY OR INTENT TO SELL. SO THAT'S, I'M FAMOUS FOR LONG ANSWERS TO YOUR SHORT QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, IN, IN IN ED'S BRAIN, UM, THIS TIME NEXT YEAR WE, WE'D BE, HOPEFULLY WE'D BE DIGGING AND CHIEF, I'M SURE, I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT DURING OUR LAST MEETING, BUT YOU SAID YOU'D BE VERY COMFORTABLE DOING OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY IN UPTOWN. YEP. I HAVE SPOKEN WITH, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS AND LONGTIME RESIDENTS OF THE UPTOWN CHARACTER AREA AND I I HAVE NOT, NOBODY'S INDICATED TO ME THEY WOULD BE OPPOSED TO A STATION THERE. NOW THAT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT GONNA COME OUT OF THE WOODWORKS. BUT I'VE SPOKEN WITH SOME, SOME OF THE MORE VOCAL RESIDENTS OF UPTOWN, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. AND THEY, THEY ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE STATION MOVEMENT COMMITTEE. SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. CHRISTENSEN. UM, YOUR RESPONSE ON THE, ON THE FAIR MARKET VALUE. I, I'M CURIOUS, UM, I'M JUST WANTING TO UNDERSTAND WHY, AND BEAR WITH ME, I'M A LITTLE NEW TO THIS, UM, BUT UM, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES AND THERE WILL BE THE ABILITY TO, UH, HAVE A CONVERSATION BETWEEN THOSE AGENCIES ABOUT THE PRICE. DOES IT HAVE TO BE THE FAIR MARKET VALUE THAT YOU WOULD SELL TO SOMEONE FROM OUTSIDE? PLEASE DO A LITTLE BIT OF EDUCATION. SURE. THANK YOU. OH, THANKS CHAIR AND, UH, BOARD AND COUNCIL. UH, SO UNLIKE THE FIRE DISTRICTS, WHICH ACTUALLY HAVE A PROVISION IN STATE LAW THAT ALLOWS 'EM TO, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT WORDS, BUILD THAT, BUT IT'S REALLY 75%, WELL 75%. THERE'S ALSO ONE THAT YOU CAN JUST BASICALLY EXCHANGE VALUE OR FOR PROPERTY, FOR ANYTHING THAT YOU DEEM TO BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF FIRE DISTRICT. THERE'S SOME VERY BROAD LANGUAGE IN THERE. UNLIKE FIRE DISTRICTS, THE CITIES ARE VERY LIMITED BY STATE LAW. UM, AND UP UNTIL JUST A FEW, THE LAW WAS JUST PASSED LAST YEAR UNTIL SEPTEMBER. WE, ANY PROPERTY ABOVE 1.5 MILLION, WE WOULD'VE HAD TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE VOTERS TO SELL PROPERTY. UM, NOW THEY CHANGED THAT UP TO 15 MILLION AND WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT DOES STATE IN TITLE IX THAT WE CAN'T SELL IT FOR LESS THAN FAIR MARKET VALUE NOW. I MEAN, I'LL LOOK INTO IT AGAIN JUST TO, TO MAKE SURE THERE, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE EXCEPTION FOR OTHER POLITICAL SUB POSITIONS. UM, IF THAT INCLUDES FIRE DISTRICTS OR NOT. I CAN, I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THAT TO SEE IF THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITY THERE, BUT, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS RIGHT NOW. OKAY, THANK YOU. WELL, I MEAN, DO WHATEVER RESEARCH, OBVIOUSLY WE ON BOTH THE BEST PART, BUT THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? WELL, I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, AGAIN, UM, TO MR. CHRISTENSEN, WHAT, UM, THE TIMELINE, BECAUSE WE, UH, IN ORDER TO BUILD START BUILDING BY, UH, DECEMBER OF NEXT YEAR OR POSSIBLY JANUARY FOLLOWING, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE ON THE CITY'S END FOR BEING ABLE TO, UH, SELL SO PARKING LOT? UH, IT IS JUST NOTICE AND THEN PUBLICATION AND UH, A PAPER, UH, AND THEN A PUBLIC HEARING. SO THAT CAN BE DONE WITHIN 30 DAYS. SO THERE'S NOT SOME DRAWN OUT TIME TIMELINE NECESSARILY. MM-HMM . AND THE REASON I ASK THAT IS OUR HOPE IS THAT WE COULD START TO BUILD, UH, AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND, UH, AND SO, UM, IF THERE IS ENDS UP BEING AGREEMENT, UH, ABOUT SELLING, UM, THE PROPERTY TO US, UM, DOING IT SOONER WOULD REALLY BE APPRECIATED. LEMME ASK. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO KURT, WE CAN PROVIDE DIRECTION TODAY AS COUNSEL IF WE DESIRE, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO IT, THIS IS A JUDGE ER DIRECTION TO STAFF. UH, SO WE CAN START THE PROCESS. NO LEGAL ACTION WILL BE DONE TODAY. UM, THAT'D BE A SUBSEQUENT FUTURE MEETING DATE WHERE COUNCILORS APPROVE THE SALE. OKAY. I, I'M OPEN AS IS THE VICE MAYOR AND MAYOR PROCEEDING AND, AND PROVIDING THAT DIRECTION. QUESTION TO THE BOARD AND TO MY FELLOW COUNSELORS SINCE I WASN'T HERE. UM, I SAW SOME OLDER MATERIALS THAT TALKED ABOUT POSSIBILITY THERE BEING SOME SHARED USE OF THE SITE. IS THAT SOMETHING WE WOULD DISCUSS IN A LATER DATE? IS THAT OFF THE TABLE? IS THAT [00:25:01] SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN, GET INTO CONSIDERATION? SOME MATERIALS WE'LL TALK ABOUT. SO THE RESTROOMS, VISITORS AND TRANSIT STOPS, DO YOU GUYS NEED THE ENTIRE SITE OR, SO FOR JORDAN ROAD, YES, IT INDICATES ARE WE NEED THE ENTIRE SITE. THAT, THAT BEING SAID, AN EXTERNALLY ACCESSIBLE RESTROOM I THINK WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY THAT A LOT OF THAT LANGUAGE CAME FROM THE, THE OTHER PARKING LOT OFF OF A SCHLEY. OKAY. AND BECAUSE OF ITS SHAPE AND, AND IN THE, IN THE CITY'S UPTOWN CHARACTER AREA DOCUMENTATION, THEY DID INDICATE THAT EVENTUALLY WE WANTED A RESTROOM AT THAT SCHLEY SITE. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME UP. OKAY. UM, WE, WE, WE DO INTEND TO INCORPORATE A COMMUNITY ROOM AT THAT STATION SO THAT IT'D BE AVAILABLE TO THE UPTOWN RESIDENTS FOR DIFFERENT MEETINGS AND THINGS. UM, AND THEN THERE WAS SOME MORE TALK ABOUT POTENTIALLY OTHER, OTHER CITY SERVICES, BUT THE PARKING GARAGE KIND OF CAPTURED A LOT OF THE, THE NEEDS THAT WERE INDICATED FOR THE UPTOWN AREA WITH RESTROOMS AND A, A MEETING ROOM AND FOR PD AND STUFF, SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE AN OPINION, DEREK, IF YOU WANNA SHARE AS FAR AS, UH, STAFF, I, I'M IN FAVOR OF PROCEEDING. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR SHARING. MELISSA, I'M IN FAVOR OF PROCEEDING PETE, UM, IN FAVOR OF DOING THE ANALYSIS. I'M NOT GONNA USE THAT WORD PROCEEDING, BUT , HOW ABOUT EVOLUTION? IS A GOOD WORD. YEAH, I, I I, I DO THINK, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO A STAFF PRESENTATION ABOUT SORT OF THE IMPACTS THAT IS THAT ANALYSIS AT SOME POINT ABOUT THE IMPACTS WE POTENTIALLY BE LOSING A POTENTIALLY TAX GENERATING PROPERTY, ANY TOWN. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER IMPACTS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER OTHER THAN JUST THE PRICE OF FAIR MARKET VALUE. OKAY. MAY I CHECK ANNETTE, ANNETTE, YOU HAVE DIRECTION FROM FIVE OF US NOT TO MOVE FORWARD. SIX. WELL, WE DON'T COUNT PETE. YEAH, HE MOVED FORWARD, BUT HE WANTS TO DO, UH, DO WITH MORE ANALYSIS. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY, UH, COUNCIL SUPPORT TO DO MORE ANALYSIS. SO IF YOU WANT WE COULD DISCUSS THAT BECAUSE I THINK THE FIRE DISTRICT SHOULD KNOW TODAY IF POSSIBLE OR WE PUT IT OFF TO ANOTHER MEETING WHERE, WHERE WE ARE. BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA DO MORE ANALYSIS, THAT COULD TAKE 30, 60 DAYS AND I WOULD BE PUTTING 'EM ON HOLD. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WE'VE HAD VERY LIMITED CONVERSATION WITH OUR STAFF ABOUT SORT OF THE IMPLICATIONS OF, YOU KNOW, TRANSFER TO PROPERTY AND DESIGNATED USE LIKE THIS IN OUR UPTOWN. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT IN OUR NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE SOME STAFF INPUT AS TO THE VALUE OF DOING THIS IF WE HAD THAT PRETTY MUCH AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, THAT WE HAD AT CITY HALL. BUT WE WERE, WE HAD MULTIPLE, WE HAD MULTIPLE BALLS IN THE AIR. RIGHT. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. UH, CHAIR PERSON MCNEIL. UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UH, A DOABLE FOR THE STAFF TO PROVIDE THE MEMO OR SOME INFORMATION IN THE PACKET FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR DETERMINING IF YOU'RE GONNA SELL THE PROPERTY. RIGHT. UM, JANUARY'S PRETTY FULL, IS FEBRUARY ACCEPTABLE TO BOTH ENTITIES? IS SCHEDULE THAT JUNE FORESEE A SEPARATE MEETING FOR THE CITY BEFORE WE COME BACK TO THE USE THE FIRE DISTRICT'S TIME, UH, FOR TO BE DISCUSSING. I'M OPEN TO YOU EITHER WAY, UH, TO HAVE, UH, STAFF GIVE THAT PRESENTATION AND THEN WE DECIDE, I THINK WE HAVE JUST ENOUGH VOTES HERE TO MOVE FORWARD AS FAR AS THIS PROCESS, I THINK IT WOULD ALL BE IN THE SAME MEETING THAT YOU'RE HOLDING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SALE PROPERTY. UM, AND THEN IF AT THAT TIME THE COUNCIL DECIDES THEY DON'T WANT TO SELL YET OR DELAY THE DECISION ON THE SALE, YOU COULD DO IT AT THAT TIME. BUT IT SEEMS FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD PREPARE IT ALL FOR THE FIRST MEETING ON THE POTENTIAL SALE INSTEAD OF HAVING A SEPARATE MEETING ABOUT THE IMPACT. OKAY. BUT AGAIN, UP TO YOU SO THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE DISCUSSIONS, YOU KNOW, STAFF DO WHATEVER THE WOULD LIKE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE TOGETHER THE, SO AND CAN WE, CAN WE HAVE THAT MEETING, UH, WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT AS WELL AND HAVE A JOINT PUBLIC MEETING TO DISCUSS IT? DOES THAT NEED TO BE JUST AMONGST OURSELVES AT A PUBLIC MEETING? AND THEY COULD BE IN THE AUDIENCE OF COURSE, BUT I'D RATHER HAVE THE PARTICIPATION. MAYOR, YOU CAN HAVE ANOTHER JOINT MEETING, BUT IT'S NOT NEEDED AT ALL. UM, [00:30:01] WELL, I KNEW THAT. SO YEAH, IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL IF THEY WANT HAVE THAT JOIN OR NOT. THERE'S NO NEED FOR A FEE JOIN, JUST, YOU'LL HAVE TO JUST PUBLISH AND POST NOTICE AHEAD OF TIME AND THEN THEY HAVE IT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT SAME DATE. UH, SO IT WOULD BE A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. PROBABLY WOULD PROBABLY BE GUESS SO IT MIGHT BE HARDER TO HAVE A FIRE THERE. VERY GOOD. I THINK THAT IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO MY COLLEAGUES THAT THE SOONER THAT WE CAN DO THAT MEETING WITH ALL DUE PROCESS, UM, THE BETTER BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD, NEED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, SO I APPRECIATE, UM, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO THAT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. SURE. AND BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET THIS, EXCUSE ME, 30 DAYS NOTICE, EVEN IF WE DO IT NOW AT THE END OF DECEMBER, IT WILL BE THE END OF JANUARY. AND UM, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT, UH, SCHEDULING IT FOR THE FIRST MEETING OF FEBRUARY IS REALLY THAT MUCH MORE OF A DELAY. THAT'S FINE. AND IF I, IF I MAY ASK IF, IF WHEN THE CITY'S PREPARING THEIR MEMO AND OR ANALYSIS, IF THERE'S ANYTHING, UH, YOU NEED FROM US AS THE FIRE DISTRICT, JUST USE ME AS POINT OF CONTACT AND I'LL GET, GET WHOEVER INVOLVED THAT WE NEED TO GET INVOLVED. WE CAN ALL GO ON A FIELD TRIP. I'VE BEEN MISSING SEE IT IN, IN THE VISION THERE HOLLY, I KNOW I CUT YOU OFF. YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. I JUST, I HEARD THERE'S FIVE. SO THERE'S A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL THAT WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SALE OF THIS PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT, YES. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MAJORITY. OKAY. CORRECT. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS AND WE CAN'T VOTE ON THAT. OUR VOTE TODAY ISN'T A VALID VOTE. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT YOU HAVE THE SENTIMENT, SO IF THAT'S ENOUGH COMFORT FOR YOU TO DO, TO TAKE MEASURES ON YOUR END, IT IT, IT ALLOWS US TO MOVE THE NEEDLE AND, UM, OBVIOUSLY NOT GONNA COMMIT TO AN ARCHITECT ON A PROPERTY WE DON'T OWN, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY, IT GIVES ME ENOUGH INFORMATION AND CONFIDENCE TO, UM, ACT ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME OF THE PROCESS. WE'RE, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. HOW IS THAT, UH, WITH PETE'S, UH, DUE DILIGENCE AND WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR. WE WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT FINANCIAL, UH, BUSINESSES OR LOSS OF REVENUE, IS THAT WHAT YOU, THE TERM YOU USED, CERTAINLY AN ASPECT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT, RIGHT? BUT WOULD THAT CHANGE OUR OPINIONS? SAY WHAT, WHAT, EXCUSE ME, WHAT LAWS OF RENT? WELL, IS IT THIS IS WHAT THIS IS? WELL, THE FUTURE, TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE ON, UH, IT IS A HOUSING OR IT'S A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT THAT WOULD BE BUILT AT A, I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH MOVING FORWARD. I WANT TO GIVE DEFERENCE TO COUNCIL FURMAN AND HIS REQUEST. UH, I JUST DON'T, AND WHERE I WAS GOING A FEW MINUTES AGO, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SUPPORT TO MOVE TO THAT EXTRA STEP. IF THERE'S, UH, MORE THAN, UH, FOUR OF US WHO ARE FOUR OR MORE THAT WANNA JUST MOVE FORWARD. I I'M READY TO DO THAT. UH, IF WE HAVE FOUR PEOPLE READY TO DO THAT AND NOT GOING TO GO THE EXTRA STEP, THEN WE SHOULD JUST GIVE THE DIRECTION TO, TO STAFF AND THEN THE FIRE DISTRICT HAS THEIR DIRECTION AND THEY'LL BE MORE COMFORTABLE BECAUSE SHOULD SOMEBODY DECIDE, WELL, WE'RE GONNA LOSE THAT REVENUE OR WHATEVER IT IS, MAYBE SOMEBODY WOULD CHANGE THEIR MIND. I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE OF COURSE, BUT I, THEY NEED A HARD AND FAST DECISION. I'M READY TO GIVE THEM A HARD AND FAST. SO ON IF I, IF I MAY CLARIFY. SO BASED ON THE 30 DAY NOTICE, ET CETERA, UH, REALLY THE NEXT TIME FOR THE CITY TO MEET AND APPROPRIATELY VOTE ON THIS MATTER WOULD BE IN 1ST OF FEBRUARY, CORRECT? MM-HMM . THAT'S THE PRACTICALITY OF IT. NOT NOT PUTTING IT ON THE SPOT, BUT IT IS, DOES THE POTENTIAL EXIST FOR CITY STAFF TO DEVELOP THIS ANALYSIS BY THAT DATE? IS THAT AN APPROPRIATE TIMEFRAME? SO REALLY WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LOSING STEAM, IF YOU WILL, IF, IF WE DO A QUICK ANALYSIS AND THEN HAVE THE MEETING BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE IT BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY ANYHOW. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. WELL SAID. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. UM, AND MR. MAYOR, WHOEVER POINTED , MY, MY REMEMBRANCE, WHICH MIGHT BE FAULTY FROM WHEN WE WE MET LAST WAS CYNTHIA, YOU PRESENTED A WHOLE I, UM, PORTFOLIO, SHALL WE SAY, OF OPTIONS OF WHAT WE COULD DO EITHER IF WE ENDED UP WITH THE OIL PROPERTY OR IF 4 0 1 ON, ON OUR OWN, WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH THAT PLUS ALL THE OTHER [00:35:01] PROPERTIES WE GOT RID OF. UH, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IT SEEMS TO ME YOU TALKED ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO THERE. SO IT IS PART OF THE PUBLIC FORUM AND PRESENTATION. I WOULD ASSUME YOU WILL SEE WHAT COULD BE PUT THERE SHOULD THE CITY DECIDE TO DEVELOP A PROPERTY ON THEIR OWN VERSUS THE FIREHOUSE BEING THERE. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT OTHER ANALYSIS THERE IS, AND I DON'T REMEMBER HONESTLY THAT THERE WAS ANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT WE REALLY TALKED ABOUT THERE AT ALL AS FAR AS THE CITY ALLOWING DEVELOPMENT OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. WE'D HAD CONVERSATION AROUND HOUSING AND THERE WERE SEVERAL OF US WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY NOT A GREAT PLACE FOR US TO PUT ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, THERE WAS OPEN SPACE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME OF US WHO THINK THAT IT'S PRETTY HOT UP THERE ALREADY AND SOME OPEN SPACE WOULD BE KIND OF A GOOD THING. BUT THAT ASIDE, THAT SHOULD BE OUT OUTWEIGHED BY THE SAFETY OF UPTOWN, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIREHOUSE, RIGHT? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE PARTICULARLY CONCERNED IN UPTOWN AROUND FIRE SAFETY, WHATEVER THE CAUSE OF THE FIRE MIGHT BE, THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT FIRE SAFETY. SO I'M, I WOULD JUST SAY WE NEED TO PROCEED. I WOULD ASSUME THAT ALL THE GOOD WORK THAT CYNTHIA AND OTHER MEMBERS OF STAFF HAD DONE WOULD BE PART OF THAT PACKAGE THAT WE WOULD SEE PRESENTED IN FEBRUARY. AND AT THAT TIME, WE COULD HAVE THE DISCUSSION AROUND WHETHER OR NOT WE BELIEVE THAT, UH, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE CITY WERE WILLING TO DO THE, THE LAND SELLING BECAUSE NONE OF THOSE OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE BELIEVE WE AS A CITY, UM, WOULD WANT AND THAT THOSE WOULD OUTWEIGH, UH, A MODERN UPTODATE, UM, FIREHOUSE. SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AND SEE IF I REMEMBERED THAT YOU, WE CAN KNOW IT OFF WHETHER OR NOT I REMEMBERED THAT THAT CORRECTLY. SO, AND I REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THAT WAS. YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? UNLESS STAFF TELLS ME THERE'S AN UNDISCOVERED GOLD MINE ON THAT PROPERTY, I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA TELL US ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA CHANGE OUR MINDS. SO COPPER, WHATEVER S WHATEVER, BUT I JUST, I, WE KNOW WE'RE FOREGOING POTENTIALLY FORGOING COMMERCIAL HOUSING, WHATEVER, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S, FIREHOUSE IS A LESSER RISK OF THIS PROPERTY. ALRIGHT. SO WHAT I'M HEARING THE DIRECTION OF STAFF IS, I DON'T KNOW IF THE STAFF NEEDS TO TAKE THE EXTRA EFFORT TO GET DO THAT ANALYSIS WHEN RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FIVE OF US HERE THAT ARE GOING TO JUST MOVE FORWARD. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THAT STAFF TIME AND ALL THAT ENERGY. WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. PETE IS, UH, THE ONLY ONE THAT WISHES TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING THAT. OKAY. SO THE NEXT MEETING WILL NOT BE DISCUSSING, UH, THE ANALYSIS. WE'LL JUST DO WHAT'S LEGALLY, UH, NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS. GOOD, FAIR. AND, AND INCLUDE IN WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE THOUGH. YEAH. RIGHT. NO, OF COURSE. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, THE ADDITIONAL, UH, ITEMS THAT COUNCIL THE CALENDAR TO GIVE THE EXACT DATE. I THINK FEBRUARY 11TH. THANK YOU. WELL, I THINK UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE FEELS WE NEED TO ADD AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE A POTENTIAL FUTURE MEETING FOR YOU ALL TO MEET, TO DISCUSS THIS. I'M SURE THERE WILL BE CONVERSATIONS TO TAKE PLACE, UM, FORMALLY IN MEETING, BUT I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR COMING TO STATION ONE TODAY, JOINING US, UH, AND FOR YOUR TIME AND ENERGY AND FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THE NEEDS OF THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT. WE REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING AND INVESTING IN SOMETHING NEAR AND DEAR TO OUR HEARTS. I WANT TO THANK THE CHIEF FOR YOUR WORK TO GET US TO THIS POINT. UM, AND, UH, TO, UH, THANK ONE AND ALL FOR THE TIME TODAY. AND WITH THAT, I THINK OUR MEETING IS FORMALLY ADJOURNED. HAPPY HOLIDAY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.