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YOU.[1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]
THE MEETING TO ORDER.PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY, SO FOR THE MOMENT OF SILENCE, I'D LIKE TO DO REMEMBRANCE.
SO, JUNE CORN NIELSEN, UH, WAS THE FIRST MAYOR OF THIS CITY.
DURING JUNE'S FIRST YEAR AS MAYOR, SHE LED THIS COUNCIL TO START A NEW CITY FROM SCRATCH.
THEY HIRED THE FIRST CITY MANAGER, KEVIN DUNLAP, FIRST POLICE CHIEF BOB IRISH, NEW DEPARTMENT HEADS, INCLUDING COM DEV, UH, TOM SCHAFER.
UH, JUNE HELPED ESTABLISH THE FIRST THREE CITY OF SEDONA COMMISSIONS, PLANNING AND ZONING, ARTS AND CULTURE, AND PARKS AND RECREATION.
AND THE COUNCIL'S BIGGEST CHALLENGE WAS THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW CITY SOURCE SYSTEM, WHICH WAS MANDATED BY A DEQ, ACCORDING TO ONE EMPLOYEE THAT WORKED UNDER JUNE, WHO SAID JUNE WAS A LEADER AND A VERY INTELLIGENT, HARDWORKING PERSON WITH A VERY ENGAGING, KIND AND CARING PERSONALITY.
JUNE PASSED A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND I WILL DEDICATE THIS MOMENT OF SILENCE IN HER HONOR.
[2. ROLL CALL/MOMENT OF ART]
WOULD YOU READ THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? SURE.AND NANCY LATTANZI WITH OUR MOMENT OF ART, WHICH WE HAVE ON THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING OF THE MONTH.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCILORS.
UM, BEFORE I INTRODUCE THE MOMENT OF ART, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THIS SUNDAY AT SPAC AT THREE O'CLOCK CHAMBER MUSIC, SEDONA WILL BE PRESENTING ALESSIO BOX AND LUCILLE CHUNG, THE MAGIC OF PIANO FOUR HANDS.
I JUST WANNA READ A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
THE REAL LIFE MARRIAGE OF THESE GLOBAL AWARD-WINNING CONCERT PIANISTS WITH THEIR ABUNDANT ARTISTIC CHEMISTRY, PASSION AND STUNNING VIRTUOSITY, HAS LED TO ONE OF THE MOST APPEALING AND IMPRESSIVE PIANO DUOS OF OUR TIME.
THEIR DELIGHTFUL PROGRAM CELEBRATES THE ART OF PIANO FOREHAND, ONE OF THE MOST INTIMATE AND ROMANTIC FORMS OF CHAMBER MUSIC FOR MORE INFORMATION.
IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, UM, YOU CAN FIND THAT ON THE CHAMBER WEBSITE.
THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS ALESSIO IS MY SECOND COUSIN FROM ITALY, AND THE LAST TIME I SAW HIM WAS IN NEW YORK MANY YEARS AGO.
THEY PLAY WORLDWIDE, AND I'M SO HAPPY THEY'RE HERE IN SEDONA SUNDAY.
SO THANK YOU PAT TWICE FOR CONNECTING ME TO OUR NEXT ARTIST, ERIC ELLISON.
ERIC IS A RETIRED NAVAL AVIATOR AND CURRENTLY A COLORADO BASED SINGER AND SONGWRITER WHO POSSESSES A RICH VIBRATO LACED BARITONE REMINISCENT OF GORDON LIGHTFOOT.
ONE OF THE EVENTS THAT LED ERIC TO BECOME KNOWN AS THE LIGHTFOOT OF THE ROCKIES WAS MEETING JONI MITCHELL'S EX-HUSBAND CHUCK AT A CONFERENCE, A FOLK ALLIANCE EVENT.
AND ERIC SENT HIM AN ORIGINAL SONG AND CHUCK WAS ASTOUNDED AND TOLD HIM, YOU ARE CHANNELING GORDON.
HE SAID, TRUST ME, I KNOW WHAT GORDY SOUNDS LIKE.
UM, ERIC ALSO PERFORMED AT THE FAME BLUEBIRD CAFE IN NASHVILLE IN 2020, WHICH OPENED A LOT OF DOORS FOR HIM.
SO WE'RE REALLY FORTUNATE TO HAVE HIM HERE TODAY.
HE'S PLAYING AT MARY FISHER TOMORROW NIGHT AND THURSDAY, AND I WAS SO HAPPY THAT HE WAS ABLE TO COME, UH, THE DAY BEFORE HIS PERFORMANCE.
SO ON THURSDAY IT'LL BE 7:00 PM UM, I'M SORRY.
ON WEDNESDAY IT'LL BE 7:00 PM AND THURSDAY, 4:00 PM HIS TWO HOUR TOUR INCLUDES LIGHTFOOT HITS, SUCH AS, IF YOU COULD READ MY MIND, SUNDOWN RICK OF THE EDMUND FITZGERALD CAREFREE HIGHWAY AND BEAUTIFUL.
HE WILL ALSO PLAY SOME OF HIS ORIGINALS TODAY.
FOOT'S P***Y WILLOWS CATTAILS, AN ORIGINAL OF HIS RV SONG.
AND THANK YOU COUNCIL FOR HAVING ME HERE.
I LOVE BRINGING MUSIC TO THE COMMUNITIES I PLAY.
I KNOW I'VE GOT LIMITED GOOD TIME.
THIS IS AN OLD LIGHTFOOT TUNE FROM BACK IN 1968.
CAN YOU KIDS EVEN IMAGINE THAT
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I THINK NOW I AS A SONGWRITER, LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FUN AND I THOUGHT, I'M GOING TO WRITE, I'M GOING TO PLAY A SONG.
I JUST RECENTLY WROTE THIS SONG.
I'M GONNA PLAY A SONG FOR THE COUNCIL.
IT MIGHT HAVE SOME RELEVANCE TO YOU AND TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I'D READ SOME PLACE ABOUT ALL THE FOLKS WITH RVS DESCENDING ON SEDONA, AND I THOUGHT, WELL, I JUST WROTE THIS SONG.
WHY DON'T I PLAY WHAT I CALL THE RV SONG? HOW ABOUT THAT? YOU KNOW, AS A SONGWRITER, A LOT OF TIMES YOU THINK, WHY DON'T I JUST GET AN RV AND SELL THE HOUSE? SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
THIS IS OUR, OKAY, HERE WE GO.
NOT LONG JOB WORKING FOR WAGE.
I NEEDED TO MAKE A CHANGE WITH SO WANTED.
WE SOLD THE HOUSE IN FOR THE PROMISED LAND, BROUGHT HEAD OUT SNOW HOSTS ON THE TRAVEL SHOWS.
WE KNEW WHERE JUST, BUT THAT ON CITY COUNCILS GET NERVOUS.
THE BRADON HOT SPRINGS PITCHING BOARD ON THE SET FOR HIM.
ROUTE 66, DUE OUT THE WON'T GO WHERE? WE'LL, WE'LL FIND A PLACE OUTSIDE AND THAT SOUTH WIND
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YOUR, YOU NEED TO CHANGE THAT BIG OLD IS CALLING AT SOUTH WHEN YOU, WHEN YOUBETTER YET, COME SEE US AT THE MARY D. FISHER THEATER, UH, TOMORROW NIGHT AT SEVEN OR ON THURSDAY, CATCH THAT MATINE AT 4:00 PM HOPE EVERYONE HAS A GREAT DAY.
SO, UH, ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO ON TO ITEM THREE.
[3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE]
CONSENT ITEMS. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE, THE PUBLIC STAFF OR THE COUNCIL TO PULL ANY ITEMS. WE HAVE ONE ITEM HERE, ITEM A, UH, ANYBODY WISH TO HAVE THAT PULLED? IT'S JUST MINUTES.HEARING NONE, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? DON'T JUMP IT OVER.
I MOVE THE APPROVAL OF CONSENT.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ]
BY MYSELF, THE COUNCILORS OR CITY MANAGER.UH, ANYTHING TO SHARE? PETE? THANKS, MAYOR.
I I HAVE TWO ITEMS I'D LIKE TO SHARE.
ONE IS, UH, THE FIRST IS THAT KSB KEEPS BEAUTIFUL IS SEEKING NOMINATIONS FOR THEIR 2025 AWARDS OF EXCELLENCE.
THE NOMINATION DEADLINE IS MARCH 15TH, AND DETAILS AND NOMINATION FORMS CAN BE FOUND ON THEIR WEBSITE.
AND THE SECOND ITEM IS, UH, SAVE THE DATE, WORLD WATER DAY IS MARCH 22ND, 2025.
THIS YEAR, THE LOCAL CELEBRATION WILL BE AT SLIDE ROCK STATE PARK.
UM, JANUARY 29TH, I WAS ASKED TO JOIN OUR LOBBYIST KATHY SENTIMENT AT A STATE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT MEETING TO DISCUSS THE IMPACTS THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE HAVING, UH, DUE TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS ACROSS THE STATE.
UH, ON FEBRUARY 6TH, I MET WITH ADOT REGIONAL PARTNERS, THE BIG PARK REGIONAL COUNCIL Y COUNTY HIGHWAY STAFF AND SUPERVISOR CHECK TO DISCUSS ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS AND ASSESSMENT OF THE INTERCHANGE OF 17 AND 1 79.
AND THEN THIS WILL BE OF INTEREST TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
UH, ON FEBRUARY 20TH, THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC, UH, EVENT HELD IN PRESCOTT, A TOWN HALL.
FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, THERE'LL BE AT LEAST 10 MAYORS OR THE REPRESENTATIVE TO DISCUSS, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS AND HOW THEY AFFECT THEIR CITIES OR TOWNS.
UH, THIS WILL WILL BE FROM, UH, BETWEEN TWO AND FOUR AT THE EMORY RIDDLE UNIVERSITY, DAVID LEARNING CENTER AUDITORIUM AT 3,700 WILLOW CREEK ROAD IN PRESCOTT.
UH, THIS IS A, UH, PRIVATE EVENT, BUT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
SO THERE IS A FEE OF $20 PER PERSON FOR THE EVENT AND EVERYBODY IS INVITED TO ATTEND.
SO FAR WE HAVE MAYORS, MYSELF, OF COURSE, THE PAGE CITY MANAGER IN PLACE OF THEIR MAYOR, COTTONWOOD MAYOR PAYSON WILLIAMS, WINSLOW, EXCUSE ME, CHINO VALLEY.
AND LIKE HAVASU MAYORS AND A FEW MORE ARE SCHEDULED TO RSVP.
SO WE'LL HAVE MORE PEOPLE THERE.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE EVER HAD MAYORS GET TOGETHER ON ONE TOPIC.
SO IT SHOULD BE QUITE INTERESTING.
[6. PUBLIC FORUM]
I'VE GOT A FEW CARDS.WE'LL START WITH, UH, JUDY VAN ROTH
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JUDY, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.YOU DON'T NEED THE EXACT ADDRESS.
UH, I AM JUDY VAN ROTH AND I'M FROM, UH, I LIVE IN UPTOWN SEDONA.
UH, WILDFIRE CONCERNS CAME ROARING INTO MY ATTENTION WITH THE CAMPFIRE OF 2018 IN PARADISE, CALIFORNIA.
ONE OF MY DOCTORAL STUDENTS WAS FROM PARADISE, AND ALTHOUGH 85 PEOPLE DIED IN THE FIRE, HER FAMILY MANAGED TO ESCAPE.
THEY LOST THEIR HOME AND EVERYTHING IN IT AND CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE TO REBUILD THEIR LIVES.
WHEN SEDONA APPROVED THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION PROJECT IN UPTOWN, I WAS DELIGHTED AND RELIEVED TO KNOW THAT ADDITIONAL ROOTS OUT OF UPTOWN WERE BEING CONSTRUCTED TO HELP PREVENT RESIDENTS FROM BEING TRAPPED BY A WILDFIRE.
PROGRESS ON THE FOREST ROAD PROJECT IS CLEAR AND NEARING COMPLETION EVERY DAY WITH THE WILDFIRES IN LA.
NOW, IN MY AWARENESS, I SCHEDULED A FREE FIRE-WISE INSPECTION AT MY HOME LAST WEEK TO MAKE SURE I WAS DOING WHAT I COULD TO REDUCE FIRE RISK IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'VE LOOKED AT MORE CLOSELY AT OTHER FIRE RISK ISSUES IN UPTOWN.
IT APPEARS THAT THE NEW PARKING GARAGE IS DESIGNED TO ADDRESS PARKING ISSUES, AND I'M WONDERING HOW IT FITS INTO OUR FIRE SAFETY PLANNING PARKING GARAGES THAT HOUSE ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE AT GREATER RISK OF CATASTROPHIC FIRES THAN THOSE THAT DO NOT.
THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE MATERIALS IN ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
EV BATTERIES CAN SPONTANEOUSLY COMBUST AND EV CAR FIRES ARE EXTRA HARD TO EXTINGUISH.
THERE HAVE BEEN RECENT GARAGE FIRES IN ROSEMONT, ILLINOIS AT THE FASHION OUTLETS OF CHICAGO AND IN SAN DIEGO.
I KNOW THAT THE PARKING GARAGE PROJECT HAS BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT FOR A LONG TIME.
SOMETIMES WHEN PROJECTS ARE DEVELOPED OVER TIME, THEY FAIL TO MEET UPDATED STANDARDS.
I'M WONDERING IF OUR NEW PARKING GARAGE IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CURRENT WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE PARKING GARAGE SAFETY STANDARDS THAT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE RISK OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO WORK SO HARD ON THE PROJECT AND THEN SEE THE WHOLE THING LITERALLY GO UP IN FLAMES.
AS AN UPTOWN RESIDENT, I KNOW THE WATER SUPPLY AND WATER PRESSURE ARE OFTEN INSUFFICIENT TO RUN MY DISHWASHER.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH WATER FOR THIS SOAP TO DISSOLVE.
I'M DELIGHTED ABOUT THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION PROJECT, CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEW PARKING STRUCTURE THAT POSES OF RISK THAT COULD IMPEDE ACCESS TO THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION ESCAPE ROUTE.
AND I'M CONCERNED OUR WATER SUPPLY MAY NOT NEED THE POTENTIAL NEED TO PUT OUT A FIRE IN UPTOWN.
I'M HOPING FOR TWO PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT CAN BE SHARED WITH THE PUBLIC SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE STEPS BEING TAKEN TO PROTECT SEDONA IN THE EVENT OF FIRE.
ONE, INFORMATION ABOUT FIRE SAFETY WITHIN THE GARAGE ITSELF WITH REGARD TO THE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE AND EVACUATION SAFETY.
AND TWO INFORMATION ABOUT THE WATER SUPPLY TO EXTINGUISH FIRES IN UPTOWN.
AND JUDY, WE CAN'T RESPOND TO THESE EQUEST, THESE, UH, UH, COMMENTS THAT YOU JUST MADE NOW.
UH, BUT IF YOU WANNA CONTACT US AFTER THE MEETING, WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GET YOU THAT INFORMATION.
JEN FARNSWORTH WILL BE, UH, FOLLOWED BY ALISON NICHOL.
MY NAME IS JEN FARNSWORTH AND I'M A RESIDENT OF UPTOWN MR. MAYOR COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER, THE PARKING GARAGE.
WE'VE ALL JUST LEARNED THAT THE FIRE AND HAZARD RISK OF PARKING GARAGES HAS CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY AND MATERIALLY.
THE 2022 NFPA 88 A PARKING GARAGE RECLASSIFICATION BY THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION, WAS THE FIRST CHANGE IN OVER 50 YEARS AND HAVE RECAST THE ENTIRE UNDERSTANDING AND LEVEL OF FIRE RISK IN PARKING GARAGES DUE TO THE DEMONSTRATED AND PROVEN INCREASED TOXICITY, FLAMMABILITY AND FIRE SPREAD OF MODERN VEHICLES, EVS AND EV CHARGING STATIONS, AND FOR A GARAGE AND A CONGESTED AREA WITH SEVERE WILDFIRE RISK ABUTTING THE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE AND DIRECTLY IN THE EMBER ZONE ON A PRIMARY FIRE EVACUATION ROAD.
THE, THE RISKS THAT EVEN HIGHER THE NEW HAZARD CLASSIFICATION UPENDS PREVIOUS VIEWS THAT PARKING GARAGES PRESENTED ONLY NOMINAL FIRE RISKS.
THE HAZARD RECLASSIFICATION CHANGES ARE DESCRIBED AS DRAMATIC AND NECESSITATE AND CAREFUL AND EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY DISCUSSION AND EVALUATION REGARDING ANY PROPOSED PARKING GARAGE LOCATION.
YET THE CITY DID NOT EVEN SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH THE PUBLIC.
THERE WAS NO EXPERT DISCUSSION IN ANY PUBLIC FORUM.
AND PERHAPS THE ONLY WAY TO BRING THE RISK LEVEL TO WHAT THE COUNCIL THOUGHT IT WAS IN 2021 WHEN IT VOTED FOR THE GARAGE IS TO PROHIBIT ANY CAR BUILT AFTER 1990 FROM PARKING IN THE GARAGE, THE CITY
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IS SUDDENLY SCRAMBLING TO MAKE THIS ISSUE ONLY ABOUT COMPLIANCE.DUE DILIGENCE AND PUBLIC SAFETY RESIDENTS HAVE PLEADED WITH THE CITY FOR OVER FOUR YEARS TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE SAFETY ANALYSIS, INCLUDING LOCATING THE GARAGE IN THIS VERY FRAGILE AREA.
NO WILDFIRE EVACUATION STUDY, NO EVACUATION TIME ESTIMATE MODELING BY A QUALIFIED COMPANY FOLLOWING INDUSTRY STANDARDS, NO IMPACT STUDY FOR A HIGH DENSITY GARAGE ON A PRIMARY EVACUATION ROAD.
AND OUR FIRE EGRESS ROAD IS NON-CONFORMING.
SWITCH BACK THAT FAR, EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM SLOPE AND IT ITSELF MAY BE A HAZARD WITH SEDONA SEVERE WILDFIRE RATING, RISK RATING, AND EXTREME EVACUATION CONSTRAINTS.
IT IS YOUR JOB TO MITIGATE, NOT INCREASE OUR FIRE RISK.
AND THIS IS YOUR PROJECT AND CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE PAUSED.
UNTIL FURTHER STUDY AS YOUR PROJECT, PLEASE PUT YOUR VOICE AND YOUR VOTE ON THE RECORD AND OR LET THE RESIDENTS DECIDE IF THIS INCREASED FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY RISK IS ACCEPTABLE.
THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE NEVER VOTED ON THIS GARAGE.
AND NONE OF YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THE NEWLY UNDERSTOOD RISKS IN PUBLIC.
WE DESERVE AND NEED ACCOUNTABILITY.
SO ALLISON, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY SNI.
ALISON NICHOLS, UPTOWN SEDONA MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS.
SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE MIC TOO.
RECENTLY WE WITNESSED THE HORRIFIC FIRES IN CALIFORNIA DECIMATE COMMUNITIES.
THE TRAGEDY CREATED A COLLECTIVE SENSE OF GRIEF, A COLLECTIVE SENSE OF ANGER, AS WELL AS MANY QUESTIONS.
COULD IT HAVE BEEN PREVENTED? WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT DONE DIFFERENTLY? IN EVERY INTERVIEW I'VE READ, THERE WERE NO STATEMENTS OF HOW HELPFUL THE PARKING GARAGES WERE IN THE EVACUATIONS.
MORE CARS, MORE PROBLEMS. ONE QUESTION CURRENTLY BEING DEALT WITH NOW IS HOW THE, HOW TO STAGE SORT AND DEAL WITH THE HAZARDOUS WASTE FROM THE DISASTER.
I CAN PRETTY CONFIDENTLY SAY, GIVEN THE RECENT HISTORY, SOME OF THAT WASTE WILL END UP IN ARIZONA.
IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, CALIFORNIA HAS DISPOSED OF MORE THAN 660,000 TONS OF CONTAMINATED SOIL IN ARIZONA LANDFILLS SOIL CONTAMINATED WITH HEAVY METALS, PETROLEUM HYDROCARBONS, CHEMICALS INCLUDING DDT WASTE, FROM BATTERY RECYCLING PLANTS AND MILITARY BASE CLEANUPS.
SINCE 2010, NEARLY HALF OF ALL OF CALIFORNIA'S HAZARDOUS WASTE HAS LEFT THE STATE.
THEIR PROBLEMS ARE OUR PROBLEMS AND WE SHOULD LEARN FROM THEM.
CITY STAFF HAS STATED TO P AND Z WITH THE GARAGE PROJECT.
THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE PROPERTY OWNER, THEY'RE THE APPLICANT.
THE UPTOWN GARAGE IS YOUR PROJECT, YOUR LEGACY, YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
THERE ARE STILL MANY CONCERNS, CONCERNS ABOUT EMPLOYEE PARKING, BEARING CERTAIN POWER LINES, WATER PRESSURE, NEW CODE IMPACTS, EV, BATTERY SAFETY, AIR QUALITY, THE HAZARDS OF RIGHT.
USING RECYCLED TIRES AND THE FUNCTIONALITY OF IT ALL.
NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO REASSESS AND KEEP THE LINES OF COMMUNICATION OPEN WITH CONCERNED RESIDENTS.
ALLISON ANI WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DEBORAH WEER WILKEY.
I SAW THE COMMENTS NEXT TO IT.
UH, MY NAME IS ANI AND I'M FROM UPTOWN SEDONA.
MR. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, AS YOU KNOW, OR ARE SOME, AS YOU KNOW, I WAS A MEMBER OF THE PARKING GARAGE TASK FORCE IN 2023, AND I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE, UH, NFPA, UH, FINDINGS ON RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH PARKING GARAGES AND THE STANDARDS THAT THEY DEVELOPED WERE NOT A CONSIDERATION NOR A CRITERIA IN MAKING THE DECISION TO BUILD AND PLACE THE GARAGE ON A PRIMARY EVACUATION ROUTE.
AND AT THE CONVERGENCE OF HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, HAD THE TASK FORCE BEEN MADE AWARE OF THE DISCLOSED RISKS IN THE STANDARD DESIGNED TO MITIGATE THOSE RISKS? THE RECOMMENDATION TO BUILD MOST PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN DIFFERENT.
WITHHOLDING THAT INFORMATION WAS A FATAL FLOWER IN THE PROCESS, ALONG WITH OTHERS THAT I PREVIOUSLY BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND JUSTIFIES THAT THE DECISION BE REVISITED.
AS YOU ARE AWARE, I RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE TASK FORCE'S DECISION MAKING PROCESS WHILE IT WAS IN ONGOING.
SINCE ITS FLAWED CONCLUSIONS WERE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, I'VE BEEN VOCAL ABOUT THE FACT THAT I HAVE ADVOCATED FOR COMMON SENSE AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
THOUGH MY CONCERNS AND FACTUAL COMMENTS HAVE CONTINUED TO BE IGNORED AND SIMILARLY DISMISSED EVEN DURING THE WORST OF THE LA FIRES, WHICH QUITE NATURALLY HEIGHTENED SEDONA RESIDENTS
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CONCERN ABOUT OUR SAFETY, OUR CITY'S LEADERSHIP SHY AWAY FROM RESPONSIBILITY, ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY, CALLS FOR PUBLIC FORUM, ALL INCLUDING ALL STAKEHOLDERS, HAVE BEEN EFFECTIVELY IGNORED, NOT ACTED UPON AT SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, I'VE COMMUNICATED TO YOU THAT COUNCIL'S PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY IS THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF ITS RESIDENTS AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.YOU HAVE YET TO ACCEPT THAT OR ACKNOWLEDGE THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
IT DOES NOT APPEAR ANYWHERE ON YOUR 2025 AGENDA, THOUGH IT WAS REQUESTED TO BE INCLUDED.
UM, IT'S INTERESTING THAT RECENTLY IN A NEXT DOOR POST, UM, A QUOTE BY THE MAYOR OF WICKHAM, UM, MAYOR WICKHAM OF MARROW BAY, CALIFORNIA, UH, SAID, AS AN ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE, MY FIRST RESPONSIBILITY IS ALWAYS TO THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO LIVE IN FEAR OF WHAT MAY HAPPEN.
MR. MAYOR, COUNSEL, WILL YOU ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR ROLE IN SAFETY AND THE WELLBEING OF THE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA? THANK YOU.
DEBORAH WILL BE FOLLOWED BY CLAUDIA SOUT.
I AM MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA FOR 33 YEARS.
WHILE WORKING AT A LOCAL HOTEL AS A SHUTTLE DRIVER, I WOULD SEE SO MANY OF OUR HIKERS WALKING THE STREET THREE TO FOUR MILES TO GET TO SOLDIER PASS TRAILHEAD AFTER THE 14 PARKING SPACES FILLED UP AND PEOPLE WOULD BEG ME FOR RIDES BACK TO POSSE GROUNDS PARK AFTER HIKING.
SO IN OCTOBER OF 2020, I STARTED MY SHUTTLE BUSINESS HIKER HELP, AND I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS UNTIL SOMEONE MOVED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BECAME HOA VICE PRESIDENT.
HE'S BEEN YELLING AT ME, TAKING PICTURES OF ME AND HARASSING ME FOR OVER A YEAR.
NOW, HE ALSO GOT THE MAN THAT LIVES RIGHT AT THE TRAILHEAD TO DO THE SAME.
ON DECEMBER 24TH, I WAS PULLED OVER, DETAINED AND GIVEN A TICKET FOR DROPPING OFF MY PASSENGERS AT THE TRAILHEAD WHERE THERE ARE SIGNS POSTED NEARBY SAYING NO STANDING, STOPPING OR PARKING.
THE CITY CODE ON THESE SIGNS STATES EXCEPT, EXCEPT FOR DROPPING OFF OR PICKING UP PASSENGERS, WHICH EVERYONE DOES ALL DAY.
I WAS GIVEN A TICKET FOR THE STATE CODE, WHICH IS SIMILAR, BUT CONFUSING.
ACCORDING TO THE CODE, I AM ALLOWED TO DROP OFF AND PICK UP.
AND I FEEL LIKE BECAUSE OF THESE PEOPLE HARASSING ME, THERE'S A DEFINITE CONNECTION TO WHY THIS HAS HAPPENED.
I LOST MY CASE IN COURT AND SINCE THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS BREAK ANY LAWS.
I HAVE NOT BEEN THERE AT ALL TO HELP ANYONE.
I'VE NEVER GOTTEN A TICKET BEFORE AND I TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.
PEOPLE WRITE ABOUT ME ALL OVER THE INTERNET, AND I'VE TURNED DOWN SO MANY REQUESTS FOR RIDES SINCE THIS HAPPENED.
I'VE HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE ALL OF THE POLICE THAT PATROL THERE, THE MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE SHUTTLE DRIVERS, THE RED ROCK JEEP DRIVERS, AND I'M VERY RESPECTFUL OF THE LAWS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPLYING WITH ALL THE REQUESTS OF THE HOMEOWNERS, THE SHUTTLE PROGRAM, AND THE CITY.
I'VE ALSO RECENTLY STARTED A PETITION FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WALK OR LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE JEEP DRIVERS THAT HAVE ALL SEEN ME DOING THIS FOR FOUR AND A HALF YEARS.
NOW WITH SPRING BREAK COMING AND THE EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WE'LL BE SEEING, I CAN HELP A LOT AND MY SERVICE WILL BE NEEDED.
PEOPLE ARE SO CONFUSED AND UPSET WHEN THE SHUTTLE IS FULL OR RUNS ONLY EVERY 50 MINUTES.
I HAVE HELP PEOPLE FIND THE SUNRISE TRAIL 'CAUSE EVERYBODY WALKS ON THE STREET KEEPING THEM SAFE OFF THE STREET AND HELP THE ONES THAT GOT THEIR CARS TOWED.
I'VE ALSO PREVENTED PEOPLE FROM PARKING.
UH, I'VE ALSO PREVENTED PEOPLE FROM PARKING BECAUSE IT CAUSES A CHAIN REACTION WHERE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BECAUSE OF A LACK OF SIGNS, WHICH I'VE REPORTED TO THE CITY AND I BELIEVE WOULD KEEP THIS FROM HAPPENING.
SO I DO DO A LOT MORE THAN JUST GIVE RIDES, AND I NEVER GO INTO THE SHUTTLE PARKING LOT.
I LOOK FOR PEOPLE THAT NEED A RIDE AND JUST WORK FOR DONATIONS.
I TRULY LOVE WHAT I DO, AND I WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THE BEST EXPERIENCE POSSIBLE HERE IN SEDONA.
ALL MY FACEBOOK FOLLOWERS HAVE OFFERED TO SIGN PETITIONS OR WRITE THE CITY, BUT I'M HOPING YOU'LL BE ABLE TO HELP ME CONTINUE PROVIDING THIS SERVICE FOR OUR VISITORS.
FINISH ONE SENTENCE, FINISH YOUR SENTENCE.
I'VE MISSED SO MANY DAYS OF BEING THERE SINCE THIS HAPPENED, AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS POSSIBLY A RESTRAINT OF TRADE AND SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT OF THE SIGN.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ON THIS MATTER, AND I HOPE BEING HERE TODAY WILL NOT ONLY HELP ME TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK, OKAY.
WE NEED TO END, BUT WITH YOUR SUPPORT, IT WILL HELP OUR VISITORS AS WELL.
CLAUDIA WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SANDRA
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CIO CLOSE.CLAUDIA WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SANDRA.
HI, MY NAME IS, UM, CLAUDIA AND I LIVE RIGHT OFF OF SOLDIERS PASS.
SPEAKING CLOSER TO THE MIC, PLEASE.
OH, AND I LIVE RIGHT OFF OF SOLDIERS PASS AND I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF DEBBIE.
UM, I WALK MY DOG EVERY SINGLE DAY, UH, SEVERAL TIMES PER DAY, AND I SEE HI.
AND NOW THAT DEBBIE'S NO LONGER WORKING, I SEE HIKERS WALKING ALONG THE ROAD, SOMETIMES HUGE GROUPS UP TO 10 PEOPLE AT A TIME.
AND, UM, I I ALSO SEE CARS CONSTANTLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND PARKING IN A SOLDIER'S PAST PARKING LOT, WHICH ONLY HAS 15 SPOTS.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, DEBBIE HAS PROVIDED A REALLY GREAT SERVICE BY KEEPING THE HIKERS OFF THE ROAD.
IF DEBBIE IS NOT ALLOWED TO RETURN TO, UM, TRANSPORTING HIKERS BACK AND FORTH FROM THE, UM, PARKING LOT NEAR THE DOG PARK, UM, I'M ASKING THE, THE CITY OF SEDONA TO PLEASE MAKE A, A VERY LARGE SIGN FOR THE HIKERS TO USE, UM, THE SUNRISE TRAIL PASS BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT IT EXISTS.
AND I'M OFTENTIMES STOPPING, UM, ESPECIALLY IF, IF IT'S, UH, PEOPLE WITH SMALL KIDS LETTING THEM KNOW THAT IT'S REALLY DANGEROUS.
'CAUSE SOLDIERS PASSES VERY, VERY WINDY, AND SOMETIMES YOU, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE, UM, GROUPS OF PEOPLE AS THEY'RE, AS THEY'RE, UM, WALKING ALONG.
UM, BUT DEBORAH HAS PROVIDED, I THINK, AN EXCELLENT SERVICE AND, UM, WITHOUT HER, I, I CAN SEE A POSSIBLE ACCIDENT, UM, IN THE MAKING.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE SEDONA POLICE WHO HAS, UM, UPON, UH, A REQUEST, UM, BEEN PATROLLING BECAUSE THE, UH, VISITORS DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT AND ARE OFTENTIMES DRIVING 40 TO 50 MILES AN HOUR VERY, VERY QUICKLY, AGAIN, MAKING IT A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I HOPE THE CITY IS WILLING TO CONSIDER ALLOWING DEBBIE TO CONTINUE TO TRANSPORT, UM, PEOPLE IN ADDITION TO THE SHUTTLE, WHICH ONLY WORKS, UM, HALF OF THE, UM, WEEK.
AND THEN SANDRA WILL BE OUR LAST SPEAKER.
IF ANYBODY ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK, NOW IS THE TIME TO FILL OUT A CARD.
UH, OTHERWISE DEB, UH, SANDRA WILL BE OUR LAST, SO GO AHEAD.
HI, MY NAME IS SANDRA AND I'M NEW TO THE COMMUNITY.
I JUST MOVED HERE IN JULY WITH MY FAMILY, AND I WANNA SPEAK IN REGARDS TO THE FIRE, UH, TO THE, UH, PARKING LOT UP IN AND UPTOWN.
SO I MOVED HERE FROM SAN LUIS OBISPO, CALIFORNIA.
AND, UM, IN MORO BAY, IF YOU FOLLOW THE NEWS, THERE WAS A HUGE FIRE FOR A PLANT THAT WAS A LITHIUM, UH, PLANT.
WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO APPROVE THAT PLANT, THE OWNERS OF THIS PLANT MINIMIZED OR DOWNPLAYED, UH, THE RISKS.
NONETHELESS, THE, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS APPROVED THE PLANT.
AND, UH, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THE CITIZENS HAD THE FIRE RISK.
SO, TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, THERE WAS A HUGE FIRE AND A BURN, A BURN FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
AND THESE FUMES WERE IN THE AIR.
YOU CANNOT PUT THESE FIRES OUT WITH WATER.
YOU HAVE TO LET, JUST LET THEM, YOU NEED SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT TO PUT THEM OUT.
YOU NEED FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE, ARE SPECIALIZED IN PUTTING THESE FIRES OUT.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THAT THE, UH, CHEMICALS FROM THESE PLANTS HAVE, UH, SI THROUGH THE GROUND, UH, AND, AND ACTUALLY NOT EVEN CLOSE, NOT WHERE THE PLANT IS, BUT MILES AWAY FROM WHERE THE FIRE OCCURRED.
SO YOU CAN JUST IMAGINE HAVING TO INHALE THOSE FUMES FOR DAYS WITH OUR ELDERLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOME OF THEM RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS, CARDIAC PROBLEMS. SO THAT AIR IS GONNA BE, IT IS GONNA ACCUMULATE AMONGST THIS, THIS BEAUTIFUL SCENERY, AND IT WILL DESTROY OUR CITY.
IT WILL DESTROY THIS BEAUTIFUL PLACE.
SO I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO REALLY STOP THIS, THIS WRONG.
THIS WAS WRONG TO APPROVE IT WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION, AND I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO STOP IT.
AND I, I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT MORROW BAY, UH, LITHIUM PLANT FIRE.
OKAY, THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM.
MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN, PROCLAMATION, RECOGNITIONS OF AND AWARDS.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON, COULD I, SURE.
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TOWARDS KURT, COULD, COULD YOU PROVIDE INFORMATION TO COUNSEL ABOUT DEBBIE'S SITUATION? NOT AT THIS MEETING.UH, ITEM SEVEN, WE'VE COVERED REGULAR
[8.a. AB 3176 Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding the sale of property located at 401 Jordan Road to the Sedona Fire District in the appraised amount of $2,230,000 and with a closing date of May 1, 2025. ]
BUSINESS.ITEM EIGHT A IS AB 31 76 PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE SALE OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 0 1 JORDAN ROAD TO THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT IN THE APPRAISED AMOUNT OF $2,230,000.
AND WITH A CLOSING DATE OF MAY 1ST, 2025.
WE CAN ASK THE CHIEF, BUT I DON'T THINK HE'S READY.
AND THEN WE CAN ALLOW THE CHIEF OR, UH, CITY MANAGER, WILLIAM, IF THEY'D LIKE.
UH, SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, BEFORE US TONIGHT, WE JUST HAVE THE PROPOSED SALE OF 4 0 1 JORDAN TO THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT, UM, FOR THE APPRAISED VALUE OF $2.23 MILLION.
UM, THE PROPOSED SALE PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT'S ALREADY IN THE PACKET.
SO THIS STEMS FOR THE NEED FOR THE FIRE DISTRICT TO BUILD A NEW FIRE STATION.
UH, THEY LOOKED AT THE FEASIBILITY OF BUILDING ON THEIR CURRENT SITE.
THEY NEED A LITTLE MORE SPACE, UM, THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE, UH, READILY FORTHCOMING, AND SO THEY WERE LOOKING ELSEWHERE.
UM, AND SO THE CITY'S PROPERTY CAME UP FOR, AS A POTENTIAL SITE COUNCIL.
AND THE FIRE DISTRICT HAVE HAD TWO, UH, PUBLIC MEETINGS DISCUSSING THAT.
AND COUNCIL TENTATIVELY, UM, AGREED TO SELL THE PROPERTY, UH, BACK IN JANUARY, UH, SO, OR DECEMBER IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN.
SO THE, UH, FIRE DISTRICT, UH, OBTAINED ONE APPRAISAL STAFF REVIEWED THE APPRAISAL AND FELT THAT IT WAS A, A FAIR PRICE.
UH, WE DIDN'T FEEL THERE WAS ANY NEED FOR THE CITY TO GET A A DIFFERENT APPRAISAL, UH, PER THE STATE LAW.
THE CITY HAS TO CANNOT SELL PROPERTY FOR LESS THAN AN APPRAISED, UM, PRICE OF THE FAIR MARKET PRICE.
UM, EVEN TO OTHER, UH, GOVERNMENT ENTITIES, UH, WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO IS NOT GO OUT TO, UH, A BID OR REQUIRE, UM, THE VOTERS TO APPROVE IT, UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN SELLING TO ANOTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITY LIKE THE FIRE DISTRICT.
AND SO THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENTS IN THE PACKET, THERE WAS TWO, UM, CHANGES FROM WHAT WAS IN THE PACKET THAT WAS PUT OUT A WEEK OR SO AGO.
THE FIRST WAS THE FIRE DISTRICT HAS ASKED FOR AN EXTENDED DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD.
UH, SO CURRENTLY THE CLOSE WAS ANTICIPATED TO BE, UH, MAY ONE.
THEY ASKED THAT AT THEIR DISCRETION THAT MIGHT BE EXTENDED OUT TO JUNE ONE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS WITH THAT OR ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT AT ALL.
UH, AND IN FACT THAT MIGHT HELP THE CITY OUT BECAUSE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, UH, WAS LOOKING TO USE THAT FOR SOME PARKING DURING SOME CONSTRUCTION ON THE PARKING GARAGE.
SO THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE AN ISSUE.
AND THEN JUST, UM, MORE RECENTLY, UH, THIS, THERE WILL NEED TO BE A, A SHORT DISCUSSION WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT.
UH, THE CITY DOES HAVE TWO, UH, ELECTRONIC OR ELECTRIC CHARGING, VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS ON THE PROPERTY, AND WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THOSE, BUT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THOSE, UH, AND MAYBE REUSE THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE ON CITY PROPERTY.
UH, SO THAT WOULD BE ALSO ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE AGREEMENT AFTER, UH, WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT, AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY INTENTIONS TO USE ANYTHING ON THE PROPERTY, BUT WE WILL DISCUSS THAT.
SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO CHANGES, UH, FROM WHAT'S IN THE PACKET.
UM, AND THEN I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANYONE WANNA START? ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL? NO.
I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC, UH, FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS? NO, WE DO NOT.
ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NOW IS THE TIME.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, ANY COMMENTS? OKAY, CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I HAVE A MOTION.
I MOVE TO APPROVE SALE OF 4 0 1 JORDAN ROAD TO THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,230,000, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
OKAY, ANY LAST DISCUSSION? OKAY.
ENJOY YOUR NEW PROPERTY IN CHARGE AFTER THE CHECK.
[8.b. AB 3174 Discussion/possible direction regarding the interior renovation of the Ranger Station Barn. ]
B AB 31 74.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING THE INTERIOR RENOVATION OF THE RANGER STATION BARN.
OH, WELL THE HEAVY HITTERS ARE HERE NOW.
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ALRIGHT, GOOD.WE'RE HERE FOR THE RANGER STATION PARK, THE INTERIOR RESTORATION FOR THE HOUSE AND BARN.
I'M JOSH FRUIN, PARKS AND RECREATION MANAGER, KURT HARRIS, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, CITY ENGINEER.
UH, LARRY FARHAT, FACILITIES MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR FOR A LITTLE SITE BACKGROUND.
SO THIS IS FOR THE RANGER STATION PARK AT TWO 50 BREWER ROAD.
THE CITY PURCHASED THE HISTORIC THREE AND A HALF ACRE HISTORIC RANGER STATION AT THAT ADDRESS BACK IN 2014 WITH THE PURPOSE IN MIND TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND BUILD A DEVELOP, DEVELOP A COMMUNITY PARK, UM, WITH THE KIND OF MOTTO OF IT BEING A HISTORIC PRESERVATION WITH MODERN USE.
SO PRESERVING THOSE HISTORIC RANGER STATION BARN BUILDINGS WHILE GIVING IT A MODERN USE AND BEING ABLE TO BE USED BY THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THE SITE WORK IS MOSTLY COMPLETE AT THIS POINT ON THE EXTERIORS WE, AND SO THIS FOCUS WILL BE ON THE INTERIOR FOR THE BARN AND THE HOUSE THERE.
SWAN ARCHITECTS WAS RETAINED FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS OF THESE, OF THE REMODEL AND A FEW KIND OF HISTORY, HISTORIC IMAGES OF THE BARN AND HOUSE TO SHOW WHAT THIS WAS LIKE WITH IN THE TOP, UH, RIGHT CORNER, YOU CAN SEE IN 1957 WAS THE SEDONA RANGER STATION OFFICE ON THE SITE AND THE BARN RIGHT BELOW THAT WITH SOME COOL PICTURES, A FEW MORE WITH THE TREES AND GROVES AROUND IT.
THEN THIS IS BACK IN DECEMBER, 2023.
SO IT WAS WHEN WE REALLY BEGAN SOME OF THE EXTERIOR SITE WORK ON THE PROJECT BEFORE ANY OF THE GRASS OR THE PARK PORTION WAS LAID.
FAST FORWARD IN MAY, 2024 AND WE HAVE STORMY BAY, THE HORSE ART SCULPTURE THAT'S THERE IN THE FRONT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE GRASS IN THE BACK THERE A LITTLE BIT BACK HERE, AS WELL AS IN THE FRONT.
AND THEN A GOOD VIEW OF THE BARN AND THE HOUSE AND THAT COURTYARD IN BETWEEN THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT COMING UP.
AND THEN THIS WAS BACK IN NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
SO SHOWING SOME OF THE PROGRESS AS WELL WITH THE GRASS IN HERE AND THE GRASS THAT WAS INSTALLED UP HERE, AS WELL AS THE PARKING DESIGN AND LAYOUT.
AND THEN THE FOUNDATIONS OF WHERE THAT PLAYGROUND IS CURRENTLY LAID THERE ALONG WITH THE FITNESS EQUIPMENT KIND OF IN THE SPAC CORNER.
SO FOR OUR PURPOSE OF OUR DISCUSSION IS FOCUSED ON THE BARN INTERIOR AND THE DECISION THAT WE'LL BE ASKING COUNSEL, AND THEN WE'LL TOUCH ON THE HOUSE INTERIOR AS WELL.
AND FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU COUNSEL FOR COMING BY LAST WEEK.
UM, WE DID A SITE VISIT OF THE BARN AND THE HOUSE GOING THROUGH THAT.
SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO COME THROUGH AND VISIT THOSE SITES WITH US AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO THIS IS THE INTERIOR OF THE BARN AND THE FLOOR PLAN THAT WE HAVE DESIGNED WITH SWAN ARCHITECTS.
THE FURNITURE'S JUST SHOWN THERE FOR REFERENCE OF WHAT IT COULD BE LIKE.
SO FOR THAT MAIN LAYOUT, IF YOU TAKE THE BARN HERE, IT HAS THE SHORTER ROOF IN THIS FRONT SECTION AND THEN THE TALLER ROOF IN THE BACK IN THIS FLOOR PLAN WHERE THE TABLES AND CHAIRS ARE SEATED WOULD BE THAT LOWER FLOOR PLAN AREA, WHICH WOULD BE THE MULTIPURPOSE ASSEMBLY TYPE SPACE WITH A STAGE POTENTIALLY SET UP IN THIS AREA THAT COULD BE SOME GATHERING SPACE.
WE'D HAVE LIKE A FOOD DELIVERY STORAGE AND A TABLE AND CHAIR STORAGE THERE SET UP IN THE BACK MAKING THIS, IT'S GOT TOO FAR, MAKING THIS AN EVENT VENUE, UM, SUITABLE FOR A VARIETY OF USES THAT ANYONE WHO WANTS TO USE THE SPACE WOULD BE ABLE TO.
CEILING FANS AND EXHAUST SYSTEM ARE PART OF THE CURRENT PROJECT.
IT'S A DA ACCESSIBLE AND WE HAVE A SHIP'S LADDER THAT'S IN, IN THE PROPOSAL TO ACCESS THE UPSTAIRS AREA IN THE BACK PORTION OF THAT BARN.
THE FLOOR WOULD BE GROUND SMOOTH WITH EPOXY FINISH WITH A WASHOUT AND HAND SINK IN THE FOOD DELIVERY AND STORAGE AREA.
AND AS PART OF THIS CURRENT PLAN, AS WE KIND OF DISCUSSED DURING THE SITE VISIT, THE HEATING AND COOLING FOR CLIMATE CONTROL IS NOT CURRENTLY PLANNED AND THE PLANNING IS TO KEEP IT THE HISTORIC BAR AND FEEL, BUT THAT'S THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU WITH SOME PROS AND CONS OF EACH AND GET YOUR GUIDANCE ON MOVING FORWARD.
SO FOR THOSE TWO OPTIONS MOVING FORWARD FOR THE INTERIOR OF THE BARN THERE, WE HAVE SOME COOL PICTURES OF WHAT THAT BARN LOOKS LIKE.
SO THESE ARE THE WALLS THAT ARE THERE AND ARE THE HISTORIC WALLS BACK FROM WHEN THE BARN WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED.
SO THIS WOULD BE OPTION ONE WOULD BE MAINTAINING THIS AS AN OPEN AIR BARN DESIGN.
SO SOME PROS AND CONS ON THIS.
IT'S PRESERVING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE BARN.
IT KEEPS THAT BARN FEEL THAT PEOPLE ARE RENTING IT THERE FOR, IT'S A LOWER INITIAL COST AS WE WOULDN'T BE INSULATING THE WALLS OR PROVIDING HVAC HEATING IN THAT AREA OTHER THAN THE VENTILATION FORCED AIR FAN TYPE, UM, CIRCULATION.
THIS IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE SEDONA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION'S
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PREFERENCE ON MAINTAINING THOSE HISTORIC STRUCTURES THAT HPC GROUP IS FOCUSED ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BARN AS THEIR GUIDANCE.UM, BUT WITH THEIR SITE VISIT AND VIEWING IT WAS THEIR RECOMMENDATION THERE.
UM, IT PROVIDES A UNIQUE RUSTIC SETTING FOR EVENTS AND COMMUNITY USE.
AND THEN IT INCREASES RENTAL OPPORTUNITIES OF THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, WHICH WOULD HAVE THE HVAC AND HEATING AND COOLING.
SO IN THOSE WARMER COOLER SEASONS, SOME OF THE RENTALS WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THAT HOUSE IF THEY'RE FIT IN THAT SCOPE THERE.
SOME OF THE CONS OF MAINTAINING THIS HISTORIC TYPE FEEL WITH THE OPEN AIR IS THAT IN THE SUMMER AND WINTER IT DOES LIMIT POTENTIAL RENTAL OPPORTUNITIES, AS IN THOSE HOT AND COLD DAYS, IT WOULD BE HOT AND COLD IN THE BARN AS WELL.
IT, THE OTHER DOWNSIDE WOULD BE IT'S NOT IDEAL FOR DISPLAYING SOME OF THE ARTWORK THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE DISPLAYED IN THERE OR THE HISTORICAL ARTIFACTS AS WITHOUT THAT CLIMATE CONTROL.
THERE ARE CONCERNS ON SOME OF THOSE ITEMS BEING DISPLAYED IN THE BARN AND DAMAGE THAT COULD HAPPEN TO THOSE.
THE OPTION TWO, SO WITH THESE WALLS WOULD BE TO PUT INSULATION, COVER THE WALLS AND PUT IN A HVAC HEATING COOLING SYSTEM THERE.
AND OF COURSE THAT WOULD ENABLE YEAR-ROUND USABILITY RENTAL REVENUE.
ULTIMATELY CREATING IT TO BE A YEAR ROUND RENTAL HUB WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO CLOSE THE BARN DOORS AND PUMP THE AIR CONDITIONER IN THERE AND BE ABLE TO USE IT IN THE SUMMER AND WINTER.
IT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE ARTWORK AND HISTORICAL ARTIFACTS TO BE HUNG ON THE WALLS IN THERE AND EXPAND SOME OF THE OPTIONS FOR WHAT CAN FIT IN THERE.
THE CONS OF THAT IS THAT IT HAS A HIGHER UPFRONT COST.
THE ESTIMATED COST IS THAT INSULATING THE WALLS IS APPROXIMATELY 80,000 TO DO THAT PART.
AND THEN 39,000 FOR THE HVAC AND HEATING INSTALL.
IT DOES ALSO REDUCE THE BARN'S RUSTIC AND HISTORIC FEEL AND THAT ENVIRONMENT THAT IT CREATES AND INCREASED ENERGY DUE TO BEING THAT OPEN AIR VENUE.
THE BARN SET UP IS SET UP IN A WAY WHERE THERE ARE THOSE BARN DOORS ON THE SIDE THAT A LOT OF TIMES WITH THOSE RENTAL VENUES, THE ANTICIPATED USE WOULD BE HAVING THE BARN DOORS OPEN.
SO WITH THAT, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF ENERGY LOSS FROM THAT.
DO YOU WANT TO DO QUESTIONS AFTER OR DO WELL? AT LEAST WE FINISH IT.
SO THOSE, THOSE WERE KIND OF THE TWO OPTIONS FOR THE INTERIOR THERE THAT WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS A BIT WITH THE ADJACENT BUILDING.
NEXT DOOR IS THE RANGER STATION HOUSE.
THIS ONE DOES HAVE CLIMATE CONTROL PLAN FOR IT AND A LITTLE BIT OF THE FLOOR PLAN FOR IT.
SO IT DOES HAVE THE PORCH ENTRY YOU WALK IN AND WE'LL HAVE A FOYER AND GALLERY AREA IN THOSE.
WE PLAN TO DO SOME OF THE ART HISTORIC ARTIFACTS ON THERE AND MAKE A MUSEUM TYPE FEEL IN THOSE TWO MAIN BUILDINGS IN THE RANGER HOUSE THERE.
SO AS PEOPLE WALK IN, THEY'D BE ABLE TO, WHETHER THEY RENT THE VENUE OR COME DURING OPEN TIMES THAT WE'D HAVE WITH OUR VOLUNTEER PARK RANGERS WHERE THEY COULD COME IN, CHECK OUT THE VENUE, VIEW SOME OF THOSE HISTORIC PHOTOS, ARTIFACTS THAT WE HAVE FROM THOSE DAYS.
UM, AND THOSE WOULD BE IN THAT FOYER AND GALLERY.
THEN WE WOULD HAVE TWO MEETING SPACES THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO HAVE IN THAT FACILITY AS WELL, AS WELL AS SMALL KITCHENETTE AND RESTROOM AREA IN THERE.
FOUR, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP WAS PROJECTED RENTAL REVENUES AS IT'S HARD TO DETERMINE FROM A BUILDING THAT'S NOT YET DONE AND WE DON'T HAVE THE SCOPE OF THAT.
SOME COMPARISONS THAT WE CAN PULL ARE FROM THE HUB OR PAVILION.
SO THE HUB, AS YOU KNOW, IS AN INDOOR RENTAL VENUE.
IT CAN, IT FITS ABOUT 350 PEOPLE IN THAT SPACE AS A STAGE PROJECTOR.
DIFFERENT USES LIKE THAT AS WELL AS A BACK PATIO.
IN FISCAL YEAR 24, WE HAD $18,400 IN RENTAL REVENUE.
AND SO FAR THIS YEAR ON OUR YEAR TO DATE, WE'RE AT 10,960.
SO EVEN A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF LAST YEAR.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, WE ALSO DON'T RENT THE HUB IN JUNE AND JULY BECAUSE WE RUN OUR SUMMER CAMP OUT OF THERE.
SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE COMING FROM APPROXIMATELY 10 MONTHS OF USE IN THERE FROM THE PAVILION BEING A STRICTLY OUTDOOR VENUE.
IT'S 8,000 FROM LAST YEAR AND WE'RE AT 4,300 THIS YEAR.
THE SAME WITH THE PAVILION IS IN THE WINTER.
FROM APPROXIMATELY NOVEMBER TO MARCH, WE HAVE THE WATER TURNED OFF DUE TO THE OPEN AIR BUILDINGS ON THE BACK OF THERE AND THE FREEZING.
SO THE PAVILION ISN'T ABLE TO BE RENTED NEARLY AS MUCH OR TO THE SAME CAPACITY IN THAT WINTER SEASON WITH THE RESTROOMS AND WATER BEING OFF.
AND THOSE ARE KIND OF THE RENTAL REVENUES FROM THAT SPACE.
SO FROM THE BARN OR HOUSE RENTALS, WE'D ANTICIPATE SOMEWHERE PROBABLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE WENT WITH THE HVAC HEATING AND COOLING, WHETHER WE'RE MAKING THAT A RENTAL SPACE THAT'S MORE LIKE THE HUB THAT CAN BE USED YEAR ROUND OR IF IT'S KIND OF THAT OPEN AIR, IT MIGHT FALL IN LINE MORE WITH THE PAVILION SETTINGS THERE.
FOR OUR ANTICIPATED USE IN THE HOUSE, WE ENVISION SMALL GATHERING SPACES.
SOME OF THE ORGANIZATION MEETINGS, THERE'S BEEN SOME LOCAL CLUBS THAT HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN RENTING ONE OF THOSE MEETING ROOMS THAT ARE JUST THE FOUR TO EIGHT TYPE PEOPLE USING THAT SPACE.
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AS WELL AS, LIKE WE SAID, THAT EXHIBIT SPACE FOR THE HISTORY AND ART IN THE BARN.SOME ANTICIPATED USES COULD BE, IT'S A MUCH LARGER GATHERING PARTY SPACE WHERE IT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM KIND OF THAT 30 TO 80 TYPE RANGE THAT CAN GO IN THERE FOR SOME MUSIC GATHERINGS, UM, FAMILY REUNIONS, BRIDAL SHOWERS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
OR THEN WHAT WOULD BE REALLY EXCITING IS THE COMBINED OPTION WHERE PEOPLE CAN RENT THE BARN, HAVE THOSE BARN DOORS OPEN, HAVE THE HOUSE, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO HAVE THAT WHOLE VENUE AS WELL AS THIS COURTYARD SPACE IN BETWEEN WHERE THEY COULD POSSIBLY HAVE SOME FOOD TRUCKS OR LITTLE VENDORS IN BETWEEN.
AND IT WOULD BE A FULL FAMILY REUNION OR A GATHERING OR AN EVENT THAT THEY'RE PICTURING THERE WITH SOME MUSIC TAKING PLACE IN ONE LOCATION AND GAMES, ACTIVITIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON IN THE PARK.
AND A LITTLE OVERVIEW FOR OUR PROJECT OUTREACH, LIKE WE SAID, CITY COUNCIL TOWARD THE PROPERTY ON FEBRUARY 5TH.
THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY HAS MET ON PROPERTY SEVERAL TIMES ALONG WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
OUR PROJECTED PROJECTION FOR COMPLETION IS 140 DAYS FROM BEGINNING AND THAT WOULD BE WITH THIS ORIGINAL PLAN WITHOUT THE INSULATION AND HVAC AND COOLING.
SO THAT IS IT FOR THIS PART OF IT AND WE WOULD LOVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THE OPTIONS.
THANKS JOSH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ON, UH, YOUR PROS AND CONS ABOUT THE AC AND YOU HAD A LINE IN THERE THAT TALKED ABOUT ARTWORK AND HISTORIC ARTIFACTS.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HISTORIC ARTIFACTS THAT ARE IN THERE NOW OR MIGHT BE IN THERE IF IT WAS A CONDITION? YOU KNOW, YES.
WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE SOME STORAGE WITH SOME, YEAH, THAT COULD BE.
SO IT'S ONES THAT COULD BE DISPLAYED IN THERE THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY.
UH, BRIAN AND KATHY AND THEN HOLLY.
JOSH, ONE OF THE, UH, SUGGESTED, UH, ACTIONS IS TO GRIND THE FLOOR DOWN.
WHY DO THAT? WHAT, IS THERE A NEED? IS THERE A SAFETY ASPECT TO THAT? OR IS THAT PURELY AESTHETIC AND THAT THAT WOULD BE PURELY AESTHETIC? UH, THERE IS REALLY NO SAFETY CONCERN.
UM, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF OLD STAINING ON THE CURRENT CEMENT, CEMENT AS YOU SAW WHEN WE WERE THERE ON WEDNESDAY.
UM, SO JUST TO POLISH THE LOOK TO IT.
BUT IF THAT WASN'T SOMETHING COUNCIL WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.
UH, MY QUESTIONS HAVE TO GO WITH THE HVAC.
UM, THE FIRST IS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON THAT TONIGHT, BUT MY QUESTION IS, DOES THAT HAVE TO BE TONIGHT? ISN'T THAT SOMETHING THAT IF IT WERE WITHOUT THE HVAC, UH, WE COULD REVISIT THAT LATER WITHOUT THAT HAVING AN IMPACT ON HOW IT, THE PROJECT IS MOVING ALONG NOW.
CAN YOU JUST, COULD YOU ENLIGHTEN ME ON THAT PLEASE? SO WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 90% PLANS FOR THE HOUSE TO MIKE.
WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 90% PLANS FOR THE HOUSE ON THE BARN.
UM, THE PROPOSED, UM, COOLING FOR THE BARN IS STRICTLY AN EXHAUST FAN WITH CEILING FANS.
UM, WE COULD PROCEED WITH THAT AND IF WE FIND THE NEED TO, UH, CLIMATE CONTROL THE BARN, WE COULD DO THAT AT A LATER DATE.
BUT IT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING WE WOULD NEED FOR PERMITTING PROCESSES TO EITHER SAY DO HVAC NOW OR DO IT AT A LATER DATE.
DOES DOING HVAC NOW AS OPPOSED TO LATER SAVE COST ON DOING THE HVAC? UM, I WOULD SAY NO.
I WOULD SAY IT'D BE ABOUT THE SAME OTHER THAN INFLATION AREA.
IF WE WAITED THREE OR FOUR YEARS, IT MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY LARGER, BUT, OKAY.
AND MY OTHER QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH, UM, THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT I SAW THAT WAS HANDED OUT, UM, WHEN WE DID THE TOUR ON TENT HEALING AND COOLING, WHICH IS I GUESS IS SOMETHING THAT LET'S SAY YOU'RE HAVING A WEDDING IN A, IN A TENT, IT'S, IT'S UTILIZED IN THAT KIND OF A A ENVIRONMENT.
HOW EFFECTIVE ARE THEY AND IS THIS SOME WAY TO GO AS OPPOSED TO THE, YOU KNOW, HVAC, TRADITIONAL HVAC? YEAH, IT COULD BE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THOSE THAT I HAD GIVEN YOU WERE ITEMS THAT ARE RENTABLE FROM VERVE THAT OR OTHER LOCATIONS.
BUT, UM, FOR RED WEDDINGS OR THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE HAVE AT THE PAVILION OR THE HUB ON THE BACK PATIO AREA, PEOPLE HAVE REGULARLY RENTED THOSE HEATERS AND BROUGHT 'EM OUT AND USED THEM.
AND WE USE THEM DURING SOME OF OUR, OUR EVENTS OR WEDDINGS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS THERE.
UM, AND FOR THE AIR CONDITIONING, WE'VE DONE THAT IN TENT SPACES AS WELL.
IT'S SIMILAR TO KIND OF LIKE AN AIR CONDITIONER IN A HOTEL WHERE YOU'RE TURNING IT UP AND IT BLOWS IN ONE SPACE OR ONE SPACE IS A LITTLE BIT COOLER THAN OTHERS.
BUT IF YOU RENTED MULTIPLE, IT COULD DEFINITELY BE EFFECTIVE.
IF SOMEONE REALLY WANTED TO RENT IT IN THE HOT DAY, IT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE AT COOLING IT DOWN.
AND YOU HAVE THESE IN STOCK THEY WOULD BE RENTED FROM, WE RENT THEM FROM VERVE EVENTS AND TENTS IN COTTONWOOD.
THAT'S WHAT WE DO FOR OUR EVENTS.
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CITY DOES HAVE PORTABLE SWAMP COOLERS AT OUR DISPOSAL.OH, YOU'RE HIDING THEM, HUH? OKAY.
WELL WHENEVER AN AIR CONDITIONER BREAKS DOWN, YOU KNOW, SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO PULL 'EM INTO AN OFFICE OR TOO.
SO VICE MAYOR, MY QUESTION REALLY PERTAINS TO SOMETHING ELSE, BUT TO FOLLOW UP, UH, WITH WHAT COUNCILOR KINSELLA SAID, AREN'T THERE, I THINK THEY CALL 'EM SPLITS, MINI SPLITS.
MINI SPLITS, AND THEY GO UP ON A WALL AND THEY'RE PERMANENT FIXTURE, BUT THEY'RE NOT AS EXPENSIVE AS HVAC.
CORRECT? WELL, CONSIDERING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BARN, YOU WOULD NEED MULTIPLE MINI SPLITS TO GET THE DESIRED COOLING.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DIDN'T DO THE INSTALLATION, I WOULD IMAGINE A MINI SPLIT INSTALLED PROBABLY SEVEN TO 8,000, YOU'D PROBABLY NEED AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE TO COOL THE BARN AT 2300 SQUARE FEET.
SO, SO IT WOULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE? YES, IT WOULD BE.
AND THAT COULD ALSO BE DONE AT A LATER DATE AND WOULD NOT REQUIRE TO MY KNOWLEDGE PERMITTING, BUT I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
SO ANDY, YOU WANT THAT PIN ON THAT? OH, GO AHEAD ANDY.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF CLARIFY THAT ONE POTENTIAL OPTION COULD BE TO HAVE A COUPLE OF MINI SPLITS.
I, UM, WHAT LARRY'S SAYING MAKES SENSE IF YOU WANT TO HEAT AND COOL THE ENTIRE BUILDING, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO LIMIT, LIMIT THAT TO A CERTAIN SPACE, YOU COULD ALSO CHOOSE TO DO THAT.
SO THERE WASN'T ANY MENTION OF THE F SORRY, THERE'S ONE OTHER FACTOR.
YOU ALL TOLD US THAT, UH, THE OUTSIDE ENVELOPE OF THE BUILDING TWO FEET OUT IS SUBJECT TO THE, UH, HISTORIC REGISTER.
SO YOU LITERALLY, IT ISN'T, BUT IT ISN'T, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LATE BREAKING, BUT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY APPROVED, THE BOARD OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY WROTE A LETTER TO THE CITY ASKING THE CITY TO PLEASE INSULATE AND, AND DO HVAC BECAUSE THEY WON'T, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE UNCOMFORTABLE TO EVER HAVE ANY HISTORICAL ARTIFACTS IN THAT BUILDING BECAUSE THEY FEAR IT WOULD BE DESTROYED.
SO, SO THEY HAVE ASKED THE CITY FOR THAT.
UM, THE, THE, UH, HPC HAS NOT TAKEN A FORMAL POSITION ON THIS BECAUSE THERE, THIS IS WHAT NATE TOLD ME AND I, HE, I WAS EXPECTING HE WAS GONNA BE HERE, BUT THEY HAD SOME ISSUE.
WELL YOU'VE BEEN HIDING BACK THERE.
COME UP TO THE PODIUM IF YOU WOULD.
WELL, WE HAVE A CARD FOR NATE ALSO, BUT, OKAY.
SO YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS BETTER THAN ME.
YOU CAN FINISH IF YOU'D LIKE THOUGH.
WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, IS THAT WHAT YOU TOLD ME, WAS THAT THERE ONLY THAT THE HPC ONLY LOOKS AT THE EXTERIOR AND NOT THE INTERIOR.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE AN OFFICIAL POSITION ON ANY INTERIOR AND THAT SHIPPO, THE STATE HISTORICAL SOCIETY ONLY LOOKS AT THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, NOT THE INTERIOR.
SO THEY DON'T REQUIRE ANY PERMITS FOR THE INTERIOR? ONLY THE EXTERIOR, THE MINI SPLITS ON THE OUTSIDE.
THE, A MINI SPLIT ALSO IS ON THE OUTSIDE.
THEY WOULD H REGULAR HVAC WOULD BE ON THE OUTSIDE.
BUT I WAS GONNA JUST CLARIFY WHAT, WHY DON'T YOU JUMP IN AND YEAH.
ANDY, DID YOU WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING FIRST? SORRY, I WAS PRETTY MUCH GONNA SAY WHAT BRIAN WAS, UH, COUNSELOR BRIAN WAS HEADED TOWARDS THEIRS.
TO CLARIFY, I CATCH WHAT COUNSELOR FOLKS DID SAY BRIAN COULD, COULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK UP INTO MINI SPLIT HAS AN EXTERIOR CONDENSER CONDENSER PRESENCE.
IT'S NOT JUST AN INTERIOR IT, WE SEE IT ON THE INSIDE TO GET THE BENEFIT OF IT, BUT THERE'S STILL AN EXTERIOR COMPONENT TO IT THAT'S IN THAT TWO FOOT ENVELOPE THAT WE WERE TOLD REQUIRED APPROVAL IN ORDER TO UTILIZE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AS WELL AS TRADITIONAL HVAC PROBABLY WOULD HAVE IT OUTSIDE, BUT THAT COULD BE IN AND OUT.
LET, LET'S HAVE ANDY FINISH AND IF YOU NEED ABOUT PERMIT, WE CAN TALK TO STEVE.
YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT IF YOU PUT IN ANY KIND OF MINI SPLIT OR HVAC SYSTEM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PENETRATE THAT EXTERIOR WALL, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE MAKING CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR.
SO THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY TOO, IT'S THE, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION STANDARDS, UH, ARE IN AS MUCH AS IT IMPACTS OR HAS AN EFFECT ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO PUNCTURE A HOLE IN THE WALL FOR A MINI SPLIT FOR, FOR AN HVAC UNIT, UM, YOU'D NEED TO GO TO, YOU'D ACTUALLY, UM, I'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO THIS, UH, KNOWING THIS CONVERSATION WAS COMING, YOU'D ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO TO BOTH HPC AND SHIP SHIPPO TO RECEIVE A, UM, AN OPINION OF
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EFFECT, UM, OR A FINDING OF EFFECT, I'M SORRY.UM, WHICH WOULD BE A DETERMINATION AFTER LOOKING AT THE PLANS AS TO WHETHER THE PLANNED INCURSION HAD ANY EFFECT ON THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING.
UM, GENERALLY HVAC IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT KIND OF GOES THROUGH AND YEP.
SO
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
AND YOU STILL WANNA SPEAK ALSO WHEN WE'RE READY? YEAH.
UM, A QUESTION FOR YOU ARE, IS THE, GO AHEAD.
IS THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY REALISTICALLY GONNA WANNA STORE ANYTHING IN THAT BARN? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A BARN.
SO I GUESS MAYBE I WON'T NEED MY THREE MINUTES 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I, I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT BOTH THESE THINGS.
UH,
WE, IT'S NOT OUR INTENTION THAT WE'D SAY, HEY, WHY DON'T YOU DO THIS SO WE CAN STORE STUFF THERE.
UM, NO, IT WOULD BE, IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO, UH, SOME SORT OF AN ART EXHIBIT, YOU KNOW, IF NANCY WANTED TO DO A, A, A LONGER TERM ART EXHIBIT, LIKE, LIKE SOMETHING WITH THE BEAUTIFUL ART YOU GUYS HAVE BEHIND YOU AND HUNG IN THIS ROOM, UH, IF, IF, UH, YOU WANTED THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY TO, UH, PUT AN EXHIBIT IN THERE FOR A MONTH ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY AND HIGHLIGHTING THE RANGERS, WHATEVER, THAT KIND OF THING, UM, WE'D WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, FROM A CLIMATE PERSPECTIVE, IT'S, IT'S SAFE.
SO SAFETY ON A, A FEW LEVELS, RIGHT, LIKE IT'S A BARN, SECURITY IS GONNA BE AN ISSUE TOO, AND THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
BUT, UH, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SAFETY FOR ART AND ARTIFACTS, UM, THE MUSEUM INDUSTRY STANDARD, UM, KIND OF, BECAUSE THIS EMANATES FROM EAST COAST MUSEUMS AND THE SMITHSONIAN, UH, IS, UH, 72 DEGREES CONSTANT AND 50% RELATIVE HUMIDITY, THAT'S NOT REALISTIC HERE, RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA SPEND IN THE SUMMER A TON OF MONEY TO, TO BRING UP THAT HUMIDITY AND BRING DOWN THAT, THAT TEMPERATURE.
SO REALLY WHAT WE LOOK AT IN THE WEST, IN THE, IN THE MUSEUM FIELD IS FINDING A, A HEALTHY RANGE FOR THE ARTIFACTS THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, AN, AN ARTWORK THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, SOMETHING THAT ISN'T GOING TO DAMAGE THEM, BUT IS MORE OF A RANGE RATHER THAN THAT HARD, HARD NUMBER.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT RANGE FOR TEMPERATURE IS, AND EVERY, EVERY MUSEUM KIND OF LOOKS AT IT DIFFERENTLY.
77 TO 78 KIND OF A RANGE TEMPERATURE RANGE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAPPY WITH.
UM, AND LIKE 30 TO 40% RELATIVE HUMIDITY.
AND AGAIN, HOW REALISTIC IS THAT WITHOUT A, WITHOUT A HUMIDIFIER, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, A CLIMATE CONTROL SYSTEM, EVEN THOUGH IT CONTROLS TEMPERATURE, YOU KNOW, I DUNNO IF LARRY WANTS TO GET INTO ALL THE PRO
SO IT WOULD CREATE A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR ART AND ARTIFACTS.
AND TO CLARIFY, WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT STORAGE, I WAS MEANING LEAVING THINGS OVERNIGHT, NOT, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUY HOUSE.
I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT, BUT EVEN IF WE THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING, EVEN IF IT'S CLIMATE CONTROLLED, THEN FROM THAT POINT STANDPOINT, IT'S SUITABLE FOR ART.
ARE WE REALLY GONNA WANNA LEAVE ANYTHING OF ANY VALUE IN THE BARN, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION? WELL, SECURITY THEN BECOMES AN NEXT LAYER OF, OF, UM, SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST ADDING HVAC, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HVAC PLUS, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THE BARN SECURE ENOUGH TO, AND INSULATION, YEAH.
YOU GIVE THOSE DOORS A GOOD KICK AND THEY'RE OPEN
SO I'LL SAVE THE REST FOR COMMENTS, I GUESS.
PETE, I'M SORRY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? DO YOU WANT YOU JUST INDICATED, OKAY, KATHY, BECAUSE OF THE HEAT AND HUMIDITY FACTORS, DOES SUSTAINABILITY HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS OR SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT? UM, IN SPEAKING WITH, UM, ZACH AND BRYCE, I DO DON'T HAVE AN OFFICIAL OPINION, BUT, UM, DUE TO THE, WELL, THE BARN BEING AS POROUS AS IT IS, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE VERY ENERGY EFFICIENT.
AND THEN IF THERE WAS EVENTS, I CAN STILL SEE PEOPLE OPENING THE DOORS AND, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST HEADING OUT INTO THE ATMOSPHERE.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE VERY SUSTAINABLE.
AND AGAIN, I CONCUR WHAT WE SAID.
WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT PRESENTING THIS, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, WHAT THEY SOUND AT THE HUB.
THEY HAVE HVAC PEOPLE OPEN THE BACK PATIOS AND THEN THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT IT NOT BEING HOT AND COLD WHILE THEY'VE
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LEFT THE DOORS OPEN.AND, AND AGAIN, ONE DOESN'T HAVE TO, A DECISION ON, ONE DOESN'T HAVE TO SLOW THE OTHER BECAUSE THESE CAN BE, THESE DO NOT HAVE TO BE BIFURCATED.
THESE CAN BE TWO SEPARATE TRACKS THAT WE STATED.
IF WE MAKE NO ACTION AND JUST GO WITH THE STANDARD PLAN, UH, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
AND THEN IF WE FIND THE NEED IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN ALWAYS REVISIT IT AND INSTALL HVAC IF WE WISH.
AND THEN WE CAN WORK THROUGH ENGINEERING DESIGN TO SEE IF WE CAN PUT THE CONDENSERS INSIDE AND LOOK AT OTHER DIFFERENT MODIFICATIONS IF YOU CHOOSE TO DIRECT US TO DO SO.
NATE, DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING ELSE? 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A THREE MINUTE CARD.
SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN, UH, THE PUBLIC, UH, HEARING, AND WE WILL LET NATE, UH, HAVE THREE MINUTES OR WHATEVER TIME
AND, AND IF ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO, UH, TALK ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A CARD.
OTHERWISE, NATE WILL BE THE ONLY ONE.
NO, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO ADD, UM, IS THAT I DID WANT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, CONGRATULATE THE CITY ON, ON THE GREAT WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE AT THAT PARK TO THIS POINT.
AND JUST SHOUT OUT SOME OF THE FOLKS I KNOW HAVE WORKED HARD ON IT.
UM, SANDY PHILLIPS, KURT HARRIS, JOSH FRUIN, LARRY FARHAT, STEVE MERTIS, CYNTHIA LOVELY, NANCY LATTANZI, UH, AND OTHERS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO, UM, GIVE THEM A LITTLE SHOUT OUT.
'CAUSE UH, SOMETIMES STEPH DOESN'T GET, UH, NOTIF NOTICED THAT WAY.
ALRIGHT, WE CLOSE THE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP FOR COMMENTS.
BRIAN, YOU WANNA START WITH COMMENTS? SURE.
UH, LARRY, FIRST OFF, THANK YOU FOR ACCOMMODATING THOSE OF US THAT CAN'T KEEP TIME AND SHOWED UP 30 MINUTES EARLY, UH, LAST WEEK FOR THE TOUR.
UM, THANKS TO EVERYBODY THAT'S WORKED ON THE PROJECT SO FAR.
CERTAINLY FROM AN EXTERIOR PERSPECTIVE, BOTH BUILDINGS ARE VERY IMPRESSIVE.
APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORTS THAT'S GONE INTO INCLUDING FROM HPC, UH, AS WELL.
UM, MY PREFERENCE IS OPTION ONE AND NOT EVEN TOUCH THE FLOOR.
DON'T EVEN BOTHER SPENDING MONEY ON THAT.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAINTAINING ITS HISTORIC CHARACTER, WHY GRIND TO THE FLOOR, UH, AND STAIN THE FLOOR.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHY I WOULD JUST STICK WITH OPTION ONE AND NOT PUT HVAC IN IS THE HOUSE WILL HAVE HVAC.
SO, SO, UH, ARTIFACTS, ART CAN GO IN THERE.
AND THEN SECONDLY, I THINK WE SHOULD FIND OUT WHETHER THERE'S REALLY INTEREST IN RENTING THAT BARN OR NOT.
BECAUSE THE ONE THING I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY TOUR IS, IS IT SMELLS LIKE AN OLD BARN
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE ALL THAT ATTRACTIVE FOR FOLKS.
SO I THINK LET'S NOT SPEND MONEY AND LET'S FIND OUT IF THERE'S REALLY INTEREST IN RENTING IT.
AND IF WE HEAR THAT, GOSH, YOU KNOW, I REALLY WOULD RENT IT, IF ONLY, OKAY, WELL THEN THERE'S AN ROI BASED DECISION TO MAKE AT THAT POINT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, I WOULDN'T SPEND ANYTHING MORE THAN JUST HAVING SOME BASIC VENTILATION IN THERE.
MAYOR MELISSA, WOULD YOU LIKE? OKAY, SO I CONCUR WITH MOST OF WHAT MY FELLOW COUNSELOR SAID.
I, I WOULDN'T SPEND THE MONEY, I'D WAIT TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S USED AND HOW IT'S USED AND WHAT IT IS THAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DO.
I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY COOL THAT IT SMELLED LIKE AN OLD BARN, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF ITS CONTEXT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE LIKE A HALLOWEEN PARTY THERE, OR YOU KNOW, A LINE DANCE PARTY OR WHATEVER IT IS, YOU WANT THAT, THAT'S PART OF THAT ATMOSPHERE, UM, THAT I'M NOT GONNA GET ANYWHERE ELSE, UM, IN SEDONA, QUITE HONESTLY.
SO, UM, I WOULD WAIT TO SEE HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO USE IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT IS THEY, THEY REALLY EXPECT FROM IT BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE THE HOUSE, WHICH WILL BE AIR CONDITIONED.
THEY WILL HAVE A GALLERY THAT'S ALL PART OF THE PLAN.
UM, SO I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF REALLY FUN AND COOL THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO IN AN OLD BARN THAT HAPPENS TO SMELL LIKE AN OLD BARN VICE M MAYOR.
SO I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE I WAS INVOLVED WITH THIS FROM THE BEGINNING AND, UH, AND YOU GUYS WEREN'T
SO THE COMMUNITY CAME OUT AND SPOKE AND THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNITY DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE SPACE.
AND THE COMMUNITY WAS REALLY LOOKING FOR, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE BARN FOR LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND SOME OF THEM ARE HERE IN OUR PACKET FOR
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DANCES, FOR LIVE MUSIC, FOR, UH, CLASSES, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THINGS AND FOR ART DISPLAYS.AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION FROM THE ARTS COMMUNITY ABOUT HAVING, UM, EXHIBITIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, SO I KNOW THAT, UH, WHEN THIS CAME BACK UP LAST YEAR WHEN KAREN WAS STILL THE CITY MANAGER AND WE WERE DISCUSSING ABOUT WHO WAS GONNA MANAGE IT, HOW WAS THAT GONNA BE DONE, WAS IT THE HISTORIC, UH, SOCIETY, WAS IT PARKS AND REC? SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MASTER PLAN AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE MASTER PLAN, OR WE NEED TO START OVER AGAIN FROM, WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO I DON'T WANT US TO GET TOO FAR AWAY FROM WHAT THE COMMUNITY ASKED US FOR, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A NUMBER OF YEARS LATER.
UH, AND SO I THINK THAT I'M WILLING, I DON'T WANNA HOLD IT UP IF WE HAVE TO GET THESE PERMITS TO, YOU KNOW, SAY STOP DOING EVERYTHING, WAIT FOR PERMITS, BECAUSE WE CAN DOUBLE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MULTI TRACK THEM, DUAL TRACK THEM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND I'M CURIOUS, JOSH, I SHOULD HAVE ASKED YOU THIS AS A QUESTION, BUT I JUST THOUGHT OF IT.
UH, WHO HAS, WHO HAS REACHED OUT TO YOU AND WHAT KIND OF THINGS ARE THEY ASKING FOR IN TERMS OF RENTALS? UM, WE'VE HAD KIND OF A FEW VARIETIES.
SO WHENEVER WE'VE HAD RENTALS AT THE HUB, MOSTLY ON THE WEDDING SIDE OR BRIDAL SHOWERS, BABY SHOWERS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
AND IT'S BEEN BOOKED, WHICH IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE FREQUENT AT THE HUB.
IT'S BEEN A, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THOSE BUILDINGS ON BREWER? WHAT CAN WE DO THERE, KIND OF THING.
SO IT'S BEEN THOSE, UM, THERE'S ALSO BEEN LIKE THE KIWANIS CLUB, THE ROTARY CLUB, A FEW OF THOSE THAT HAVE ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE MEETING ROOMS IN THE HOUSE FOR THEIR LITTLE SPACE AND LIKE WHAT KIND OF OCCUPANCY THOSE WILL HOLD.
SO THAT'S BEEN PRIMARILY THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP ON WHEN PEOPLE CAN DO THEIR, THOSE TYPE OF PARTIES OR FAMILY REUNIONS IN THOSE SPACES.
WELL, I, I WOULD LIKE, THANK YOU.
UM, AND I DO THINK THAT PEOPLE WILL USE IT FOR THOSE PURPOSES.
UH, WHICH IS WHY I THINK THAT CONSIDERING WE HAVE CLIMATE, OUR CLIMATE IS GETTING HOTTER AND HOTTER, THAT THE OPEN AIR ISN'T GONNA SUFFICE EVENTUALLY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US LOOK AT, NOT HOLD THINGS UP, BUT LOOK AT WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE RENT THINGS FROM VERVE.
I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT SPLITS UNTIL I STARTED DOING SOME RESEARCH ON THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE IF, IF IT COST A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS APPROXIMATELY TO INSULATE PUT IN HVAC? DO YOU HAVE TO INSULATE TO PUT IN SPLITS? WOULD IT BE MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE? JUST PROVIDE US WITH THAT INFORMATION SO WE CAN MAKE A DECISION, YOU KNOW, WITH FULL INFORMATION ON THE COSTS.
NOW, WITH REGARDS TO THE FLOOR, WHY IS THAT BEING PROPOSED? YOU KNOW, BRIAN IS SAYING, WE DON'T NEED A FLOOR.
YOU GUYS WERE SAYING WE DON'T NEED AIR CONDITIONING, BUT YOU DO THINK WE NEED A FLOOR, SO WHY DO WE NEED A FLOOR? IT'S, IT'S LIKE PAINTING THE BUILDING, IT'S JUST AESTHETICS.
IT'LL MAKE IT LOOK MORE CONSISTENT, LOOK MORE WELCOMING.
IT WAS JUST A REALLY AESTHETIC THING TO DO.
UM, IT'S REALLY NOT THAT EXPENSIVE.
SO IT'S THAT INVESTMENT WE WANTED TO DO TO MAKE IT LOOK NICE.
SO WE WOULD GET HIGHER RENTALS.
AND THEN ON THE EVAPORATOR COOLERS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO INSULATE THE BARN.
YOU ACTUALLY, FOR AN EVAPORATOR COOLER TO WORK, YOU HAVE TO HAVE CROSS VENTILATION.
SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GREAT OPTION FOR YOU GUYS TO DECIDE ON OF JUST USING OUR, OUR EVAPORATOR COOLERS AS PART IT, YOU PLUG IT AND GO AND, AND, UM, SEE HOW THAT WORKS AS WELL.
YEAH, I MEAN, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO ENCOURAGE THE USE WHEN IT'S JUST GETTING HOTTER AND HOTTER HERE.
AND THAT'S THE, THE EVAPORATORS COOLERS JUST AREN'T AS EFFECTIVE WHEN IT'S A HIGH HUMIDITY.
BUT WHEN IT'S HIGHER HUMIDITY, IT'S NOT THAT HOT, SO THE MONSOONS ARE HAPPENING AND, AND SO ON.
SO IT'D STILL PROVIDE THAT COVER.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT OPTION THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TOWARDS.
WELL, IF YOU COULD BRING IT BACK TO US, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND, UH, I THINK I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT THE, THE FLOOR MYSELF.
DEREK, WHAT'S THE APPROXIMATE COST ON THE FLOOR? JUST BALLPARK? OH, I WOULD IMAGINE 18, NO, MAYBE NOT THAT MUCH.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A STRONG OPINION ON THAT, BUT I DON'T WANNA SPEND $120,000
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TO CLIMATE CONTROL A BARN.AND I THINK THAT EVEN IF WE DO CLIMATE CONTROL, IT, THEY'RE, BEFORE ANYBODY IS GONNA BE WILLING TO LEAVE ANY ARTWORK IN THERE, THEY'RE GONNA WANT IT SECURED.
THEY'RE GONNA WANT SO MEAN, I THINK THAT USING IT FOR ART IS GONNA BE A LOT MORE THAN JUST INSTALLING HVAC.
UM, AND I JUST, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WORTH THE MONEY.
AND I'M FINE WITH THE WAIT AND SEE APPROACH.
LIKE, UH, COUNCILLOR FOT SAID, IF PEOPLE KEEP SAYING, WELL, IF IT WAS ONLY AIR CONDITIONED, WE'D USE IT FOR ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, IF WE REALLY HEAR THAT FINE.
UM, BUT I THINK THE TENDENCY IS IF YOU SAY TO PEOPLE, WOULD IT BE NICE TO HAVE THIS? THE RESPONSE IS ALWAYS, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE NICE.
BUT THEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE, ARE THEY REALLY GONNA COME IN AND RENT THE THING? SO I SAY LEAVE IT ALONE.
UM, MAKE IT LOOK NICE, FINISH, YOU KNOW, CLEAN UP THE RAFTERS, KEEP THE BARN LOOK, AND YEAH, THAT DOESN'T, WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE IT LATER.
JUST A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS.
IS THE FLOOR CURRENTLY SPING NEEDING FREQUENT SWEEPING? YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN IN THERE? WE WENT IN THERE ONCE, YEAH.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE DUSTY, BUT WHEN THE WIND BLOWS, THE DIRT COMES IN FROM THE DG PASS AND GETS IT.
IT'S PROBABLY CLEANED UP QUITE A BIT.
IT JUST NEEDS A THOROUGH CLEANING.
UH, BUT THERE'S NO POOLING OF WATER.
THERE'S NO CURRENT ROOF LEAKS, SO, OKAY.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS EVAPORATIVE COOLING, THIS IS THESE PORTABLE UNITS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
WE DON'T NEED TO SEE THAT AGAIN.
YEAH, WE COULD SET THAT UP AND, AND THEY COULD TURN IT ON WHEN THEY USE IT.
I TOO, UH, UH, LIKE THE OLD BARN ROMA, I'M AN OLD BARN GUY,
AND I THINK I FAVOR THE WAIT AND SEE APPROACH AS WELL.
YEAH, WE, THEY'RE THEY'RE PORTABLE HEATERS TOO, RIGHT? WELL, THAT WAS A PART.
WHETHER WE HAVE 'EM OR THEY COULD BE RENTED.
SO I, I THINK I DO FAVOR THE WAIT AND SEE APPROACH, UH, AND SEE WHAT PEOPLE TELL US AS THEY DECIDE THAT THEY DON'T WANT IT OR THEY DO WANT IT.
BUT WE GOT SOME FEEDBACK IN A BAD TIME OF YEAR, WHATEVER.
AND I THINK THAT WE COULD TAKE STEPS IN THE FUTURE TO FULFILL THE MASTER PLAN WORK.
RIGHT? WE'RE NOT PREVENTING, WE'RE NOT SAYING NO TO THAT.
WE'RE JUST SAYING, LET'S GET THIS THING GOING RIGHT NOW.
UM, I DID WANNA SAY THAT THE BUILDINGS, THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDINGS ARE STUNNING.
THE WHOLE PARK IS SHAPING UP TO BE A REALLY, A BEAUTIFUL SPACE.
KUDOS TO EVERYONE THAT'S BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT TO DATE.
UM, SO THANK YOU, MAYOR KATHY.
YEAH, THAT'S, I WANTED TO SAY THAT TOO.
I JUST THINK THE ENTIRE PARK IS A JEWEL.
IT'S JUST COME TOGETHER SO WELL.
UH, FROM HAVING PUBLIC ART TO CHILDREN'S PLAY SPACE TO ADULT PLAY SPACE, TO, UH, PASSIVE RECREATION GATHERING.
UM, THE EXTERIORS OF THE BARN AND THE HOUSE LOOK PHENOMENAL.
SO WELL, I MEAN, HATS OFF TO THE ENTIRE TEAM, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS.
UM, BARN WEDDINGS ARE POPULAR.
UM, AND IF WE WANNA IMPROVE THE SMELL OF THE BARN, I, I'D SAY WE BRING IN SOME CHICKENS AND GOATS
BUT SERIOUSLY, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A THING.
PEOPLE REALLY LIKE BARN WEDDINGS.
UM, BRIAN, YOU JUST HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE SOCIALIZING.
UM, BUT, UM, I, I THINK THAT THE, UH, WHEN WE WENT ON THE TOUR, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, AND THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE EXHAUST FANS PROVIDING VENTILATION AND OVERHEAD CEILING FANS.
'CAUSE THAT'S INTERIOR WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING ON THE EXTERIOR.
EXTERIOR, UH, IT MADE SOME SENSE TO ME BECAUSE I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY OF, AGAIN, A BARN WEDDING AS A THING.
AND YOU WANT THE BARN DOORS OPEN, PLUS YOU WANNA TAKE IN THOSE VIEWS, WHICH YOU CAN'T WITH THE BARN DOORS CLOSED.
UM, IT'S BRINGING THE WHOLE AESTHETIC TOGETHER.
SO I'M JUST, I'M GLAD, VERY GLAD THAT ONE THING WILL NOT, UM, SLOW DOWN ANOTHER.
I THINK THE MAIN THING IS THAT WE PROCEED AND GET GOING.
I, I SORT OF WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FLOOR DONE ONLY BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT WILL HELP, UM, THE VISUALIZATION OF PEOPLE THAT GO IN THERE LOOKING TO RENT IT FOR A SPACE.
I THINK THAT, THAT HAVING THE FLOOR DONE WOULD, WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THAT.
I, I'M CONCERNED THAT THE RENTAL REVENUES, AND JOSH, THANKS FOR PROVIDING US ON THE HUB AND THE PAVILION, WE'RE ACTUALLY FAR LESS THAN I HAD THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE.
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT INDICATES FOR THE RENTALS THAT WE CAN ANTICIPATE FOR THE BARN, WHICH IS YET ANOTHER REASON, I THINK, TO GET INFORMATION ON THE VARIOUS HVAC THAT'S AVAILABLE, NOT PURSUE IT CURRENTLY, AND SEE WHAT REQUESTS DO COME IN.I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF THE EVAPORATIVE COOLERS, UM, GOING FORWARD.
UH, SO I'M JUST, AGAIN, HATS OFF GREAT WORK, UH, WANNA SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD AS, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VENUE FOR A LONG TIME.
AND, UH, I'M, AGAIN, I THINK WE CAN EXPLORE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO LATER IF THE NEED ARISES.
I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO IT LATER ON IF THAT COMES, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT NOW.
UM, SO IF WE REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO RENT THIS AND FOR MAYBE DANCES, I THINK THE FLOOR SHOULD BE POLISHED.
NOT STAINED, NOTHING FANCY, BUT A BARE FLOOR COLLECTS DUST.
WHERE A POLISHED FLOOR, YOU ELIMINATE ALL THOSE LITTLE NOOKS AND CRANNIES, IT MAKES IT EASIER TO KEEP CLEAN.
AND IF PEOPLE WANNA DANCE ON IT, IF YOU HAVE THE, THE BARE FLOOR, YOU'RE NOT CLEANING THAT FLOOR ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE TO DANCE MAYBE BAREFOOT ON, ON THAT FLOOR.
YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OPTION, RIGHT? YEAH.
IF YOU WANT TO REALLY ENJOY THE ATMOSPHERE.
SO I REALLY STRONGLY WOULD SUPPORT THE POLISH OF THE FLOOR.
UM, SO FOR THE AIR CONDITIONING, I WOULD, I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA WITH THE FANS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I DID NOT GET THE CHANCE TO HAVE THE TOUR.
BUT, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING SO THAT WHILE WE ARE WAITING FOR THAT, SOMETHING, WHETHER IT'S MINI SPLIT, WHICH I REALLY SUPPORT OVER A REGULAR HVAC BECAUSE MINI SPLITS DO HEAT AND AIR CONDITIONING AS WELL.
WE CAN OPEN IT UP FOR THE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PUBLIC.
BECAUSE I THINK THE PUBLIC WILL SWARM TO THIS PLACE.
I, YOU KNOW, I WAS AT THE ORIGINAL, I KNOW WE, I THINK WE HAD AN ICE CREAM SOCIAL THERE BACK, I DON'T KNOW, 20 16, 20 17.
IT, PEOPLE HAD A LOT OF INTEREST.
SO I DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA HOLD PEOPLE FROM USING IT.
BUT I THINK WE SHOULD OPEN IT UP NOW.
LOOK TOWARD SOMETHING E EITHER MAY SPLIT THEIR HVAC BECAUSE WE FOUND WITH EVERYTHING ELSE WE DO, THE LONGER WE WAIT, MUCH MORE COST WE HAVE.
SO, UH, I TEND TO THINK THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR THE WINTERTIME, YOU KNOW, SUMMERTIME, YEAH.
WE CAN OPEN IT UP, HAVE THE BARN DOORS OPEN, HAVE FREE FLOWING AIR.
AND I THINK THERE'S, THAT'S A LOST OPPORTUNITY.
SO I WOULD STRONGLY, UH, SUPPORT AND RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD WITH RESEARCHING, WHICH IS THE BEST OPTION WITH A, UH, A SWAMP COOLER IS A COOLER, IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO HEAT.
SO, UH, YOU COULD HAVE SPACE HEATERS IN THERE, BUT THAT'S REALLY WASTEFUL OF ENERGY.
SO, UH, BUT I TOO, LIKE I WASN'T AT THE, UH, THE WALKTHROUGH THE OTHER DAY, BUT I'VE BEEN THERE, I'VE BEEN, I DRIVE, I, I GO OUT OF MY WAY TO WATCH THE PROGRESS BECAUSE IT'S AMAZING WHAT IT WAS BACK EIGHT YEARS AGO AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
THIS IS TRULY GONNA BE A JEWEL FOR OUR PUBLIC.
SO I REALLY APPLAUD YOU ALL FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE.
IT'S TRULY, TRULY A WORK OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
SO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH, UH, WHO'S KEEPING TRACK? JOANNE, I'D LIKE TO GET A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON THE DIRECTION.
SO I'VE GOT A MAJORITY, UM, CONSENSUS FOR STARTING OUT WITH OPTION ONE.
HOW MANY OF YOU WANT STAFF TO BRING BACK DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR HEATING AND COOLING? CAN I, WELL, I THINK THE QUESTION IS WHEN THOUGH, I MEAN, I THINK WHEN SOME SAID THEY DIDN'T, SO I'M JUST ASKING FOR, WELL, I'M OPEN TO, TO RESEARCHING IT NOW, BUT OPEN, OPEN UP THE, UH, THE EVENT VENUE NOW, AND THEN WHILE YOU'RE GOING FORWARD.
AND ONCE YOU START SEEING A LOT MORE PEOPLE WANT TO GET INVOLVED, THEY TURN AROUND AND WALK AWAY.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO HEAT IN THE WINTER TIME.
SO I WOULD SAY WITHIN A YEAR'S TIME, YOU SHOULD HAVE, WOULD THE COUNCIL BE AGREEMENT OF THAT? UH, WAITING JUST NO LESS, NO MORE THAN A YEAR.
HAVING THE RENTAL VENUE OPEN FOR A YEAR AND THEN BRINGING IT BACK WITH YES.
THE SURVEYS FROM EVERYONE THAT'S RENTED AND FEEDBACK YES.
FROM THOSE THAT DIDN'T RENT BECAUSE OF A REASON.
AND THEN HOW MANY SUPPORTED THE FLOOR? THE FLOOR BEING DONE? POLISHED? YEAH.
MAYOR, MAY I ASK A QUESTION FIRST? OKAY.
NATE, IS NATE STILL HERE? YEAH, HE'S RIGHT IN FRONT.
THE YOUNG LOOKING GUY OVER THERE.
YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE HIM 'CAUSE HE HAS A HAIRCUT.
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HAVE AN APPLE SHED AND A CONCRETE FLOOR.WHEN'S THE LAST TIME YOU HAD THAT FLOOR SURFACED AND AT, JUST TELL ME HOW THAT IMPACTS YOUR EVENTS.
UM, I'D HAVE TO CHECK OUR RECORDS TO SEE, UH, WHAT KIND OF TREATMENTS HAVE BEEN DONE AND WHEN.
UM, WHAT'S YOUR, I'VE BEEN HERE TWO AND A HALF YEARS AND WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY TREATMENTS ON IT.
AND WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ABOUT THE CURRENT STATE OF FLOOR WE'VE BEEN IN THERE? I, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT A NEW FLOOR
UH, I MEAN, MY PERSONAL OPINION, NOT SPEAKING AS HPC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UH, I THOUGHT THE MAYOR HAD A GOOD POINT ABOUT, UH, HOW YOU CLEAN IT.
UH, CLEAN'S A LOT EASIER IF YOU POLISH IT.
UH, AND IT'S A LOT EASIER TO MAINTAIN.
UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO THE ARGUMENT TO MADE, MADE THAT COUNCILOR FOLTZ MADE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A BARN, IT'S A
A BARN YOU WANNA DANCE IN AND TAKE YOUR SHOES OFF MAYBE.
AND I THINK IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT, YOU PROBABLY WANT THE SMOOTHEST FLOOR YOU CAN POSSIBLY GET.
AND I MIGHT ADD RENTAL INCOME FOR SPLINTERS,
WELL, IT'S PART OF SEALING THE CONCRETE TOO, RIGHT? SO IF SOMEONE SPILLS SOMETHING AND IN A CURRENT CONDITION, CONCRETE IS AB ABSORBENT AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A STAIN AND, AND SO ON.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS PART OF IT'S CHARACTER, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THAT MAY ELIMINATE SOME OF THE SMELL TOO.
THAT MIGHT SEAL SOME OF THE SMELL OF THE CRITTERS THAT LIVED IN THERE AS WELL.
JOANNE, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH ON THAT? OKAY.
UM, SO THAT ANSWERS ALL YOUR QUESTIONS.
WHAT WAS THE COUNT? WELL, WHAT WAS, YEAH, HOW DID THAT END UP? ARE WE GOING AHEAD WITH POLISH? I DIDN'T.
HOW MANY OF YOU WANTED THE POLISH SURFACE? I THINK I'M SWITCHING
I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK NANCY BECAUSE STORMY BAY IS SO FABULOUS AND YOU'VE MADE A GREAT DEAL FOR US AND JUST JUMPED ON THAT OPPORTUNITY.
IT REALLY BRINGS A LOT OF CHARACTER AS WELL TO THE PARK.
THE COUNCIL ALSO SHOULD CONSIDER TOO, WE'RE WE'RE WORKING WITH THE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS TO PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE, UM, ACCESS WITH THE ADJACENT ONES TOO.
WE'RE STILL WORKING TOWARDS GETTING ACCESS FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TOO, SO, OH, WHAT YOU MEAN? OKAY, QUESTION.
SO LOS ABOGADOS, EL PORTEL, WE REACHED OUT TO THEM TO SEE IF THEY WOULD LIKE A BACK GATE TO GO IN THERE.
SO THEIR GUESTS, THEIR STAFF, THEIR PEOPLE CAN GET ACCESS TO THE PARK.
WAIT, WE DON'T WANNA START THAT.
AND THE, THE, UH, LOS SALGADOS ACCESS, LIKE WE'RE GONNA DO IN THE SIM UPDATE, WE'RE STILL WALK LOOKING.
IT'S GETTING MORE USE EVERY DAY AS IT'S BEEN THERE.
SO A LOT OF GOOD LITTLE SUCCESS STORIES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT AS WELL.
SORT OF OFF TOPIC, BUT ON TOPIC I JUST WANNA SAY AS WELL, I WAS REALLY GLAD TO SEE YOU GUYS ALL WORKING TOGETHER FOR THE LOUNGE ROCK, UM, AND REUSING, UH, NATURAL RESOURCES THAT WE'RE PULLING FROM ONE SITE IN A REALLY CREATIVE WAY IN ANOTHER SITE.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE LOUNGE ROCK, UM, OVER THERE, YOU REALLY NEED TO GO AND AND, AND TAKE A, TAKE A LOOK.
YOU GUYS DIDN'T REALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, YEAH, YOU CAN BARELY SAY IT.
KA ELLA AND I TOOK A MOMENT TO GET A PHOTO OP GOOD.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST GREAT TO SEE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF THINKING MORE AS, AND THE STAFF AS A TEAM AROUND FINDING ONE RESOURCE SOMEWHERE AND THINKING, WELL THAT'S KIND OF COOL.
I WONDER IF THEY'D BE INTERESTED.
SO, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE SORT OF WORKING TOGETHER, UM, ON THIS PROJECT AND I'M SURE ON, ON MANY OTHER PROJECTS.
WHY DON'T WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE, FIVE MINUTE, 10 MINUTE BREAK, BECAUSE WE NEVER DO FIVE MINUTES
SO 10 AFTER SIX, WE'LL TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK TO YOU.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA START THE MEETING.
CAN WE CLOSE THE DOOR OUTSIDE? PLEASE? LOCK THE DOORS NOW IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING.
[8.c. AB 3180 Discussion/possible direction regarding approval of amended scope of work for ADOH Housing Homeless Shelter & Services Fund contract for proposed Rental Assistance Program for individuals experiencing homelessness.]
C AB 31 80.DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF AMENDED SCOPE OF WORK FOR A O, UH, HOUSING,
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HOMELESS SHELTER AND SERVICES FUND CONTRACT FOR PROPOSED RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FOR INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.UH, AN ANNETTE YOU'RE GONNA START WITH THIS, OR JEANIE, SORRY, I THOUGHT SHE WAS OUT THERE.
I THOUGHT SHE WAS OUT THERE TOO.
I STILL THINK WE SHOULD HAVE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? THAT WAS GOOD.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, NICE TO SEE YOU ALL.
UM, UH, I'M, MY NAME IS JEANNIE BLOOM AND I'M THE HOUSING MANAGER AND TODAY I AM BRINGING FORWARD, UH, THE SEDONA RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND I'M REALLY HAPPY TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROGRAM.
YOU COULD JUST FIGURE OUT THE TECHNOLOGY.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
SO, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THE, UH, WHY WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY.
A, UH, BACK IN JANUARY OF 2024, LAST, UH, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AGO JANUARY, WE, UH, THE CITY OF SEDONA WAS FUNDED BY THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING IN, UH, THE AMOUNT OF AROUND $875,000 TO BRING FORWARD A SAFE PLACE TO PARK FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE EXPERIENCING VEHICULAR HOMELESSNESS.
BECAUSE IN THE CITY, UH, HERE IN OUR AREA, UM, IT'S A PROBLEM.
THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO WORK IN SEDONA.
HOUSING IS AN ISSUE, AFFORDABILITY IS AN ISSUE, UH, INVENTORY IS AN ISSUE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE HAVE, HAVE A STRUGGLE TO FIND HOUSING.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, WE, WE THOUGHT THAT BRINGING FORWARD A PROGRAM, UM, TO PROVIDE A SAFE PLACE TO PARK FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING VEHICULAR HOMELESS WAS A WAY TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, MITIGATE THE PROBLEM.
NOT THE PERFECT END ALL, BE ALL SOLUTION, BUT IT WAS AT LEAST SOMETHING TO HELP THOSE WHO WERE VULNERABLE.
THEN IN MARCH, UH, COUNCIL DID APPROVE AN ORDINANCE TO, UH, WHICH WAS REALLY A CHANGE TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING THAT WAS ON THE PARCEL OF LAND THAT WAS CALLED THE CULTURAL PARK, AKA WESTERN GATEWAY, 40 ACRES.
AND THAT CHANGE WAS TO ADD SAFE PLACE TO PARK AS AN ALLOWED USE.
THROUGH JUNE OF 2026, THAT ORDINANCE WAS REFERRED TO THE CITY'S VOTERS BY REFERENDUM.
THEN IN NOVEMBER, VOTERS REJECTED THE ZONE CHANGE, UM, AND WE WERE UNABLE TO BRING FORWARD THE PROGRAM.
UM, A DO DID RESERVE FUNDING FOR SEDONA.
SO, UH, THEY TASKED US TO, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT, UH, OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME SERVICES TO THE VULNERABLE, UM, PERSONS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I AM GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH A LOT OF INFORMATION DURING THIS PRESENTATION.
I KNOW THAT YOU ALL WILL HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROGRAM.
WE DO HAVE CATHOLIC CHARITIES HERE BEHIND ME, KAMI RAS BAND, WHO IS GOING TO BE,
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UM, IF THE PROGRAM MOVES FORWARD, SHE WILL BE, UM, IN CHARGE OF OPERATING AND MANAGING THE PROGRAM.SO SHE'LL BE HERE AND AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, I AM GONNA GO THROUGH THE INFORMATION.
IT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL TO JUST HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS UNTIL WE GET THROUGH ALL OF IT SO THAT YOU CAN CONTEXTUALIZE IT AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ALL QUESTIONS AT THE END.
SO, THE EVOLUTION AFTER, AFTER THE, UM, THE VOTERS, UH, REJECTED THE ORDINANCE, UH, HOUSING DEPARTMENT WAS WORKING WITH THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND CATHOLIC CHARITIES COMMUNITY SERVICES TO DEVELOP A PROGRAM.
IN LISTENING, WE LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY'S OBJECTIONS TO THE SAFE PARKING PROGRAM.
UM, THIS RENTAL ASSISTANCE WAS, THIS RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM WAS DEVELOPED.
UH, MANY OF OUR CITIZENS WERE CONCERNED THAT THE SAFE PARKING PROGRAM WAS QUOTE, UM, CRUEL, INHUMANE AND DANGEROUS, UH, TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO SLEEP IN CARS.
OUR CITIZENS ADVOCATED, UM, FOR HOUSING THIS POPULATION INSTEAD OF INVITING THE INEVITABLE HEALTH AND SAFETY HAZARDS, THAT'S A QUOTE THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH SLEEPING IN CARS.
AND THEY ALSO STATED, AND I QUOTE, THERE ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE WHEN A, WITHIN OUR SURROUNDING CITY AND NEARBY TOWNS WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS UNDERWAY.
AND THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF FINDING VIABLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN CARS INSTEAD OF CREATING A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO PARK THEIR VEHICLES FOR THE NIGHT.
SO, UH, OUR SEDONA RESIDENTS DID SPEAK AND THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT LISTENED.
THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT IS PROUD TO PRESENT THE SEDONA RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FUNDED BY A O AND MANAGED BY CATHOLIC CHARITIES AS A VIABLE SOLUTION TO BRING TO OUR COMMUNITY IN RESPONSE TO PUBLIC OPINION AND COMMUNITY NEED.
THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, IT'S A PRETTY TYPICAL TYPE OF PROGRAM THAT EXISTS IN MANY, UH, MANY OTHER AREAS THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
SO THIS PROGRAM IS REALLY NOTHING NEW.
WE'RE NOT INVENTING SOMETHING.
UM, IN FACT, LOCALLY IN OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS IN PRESCOTT AND IN FLAGSTAFF, UH, THEY DO HAVE RAPID REHOUSING.
THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS, DIFFERENT TYPES.
THERE'S MAYBE SOME EVICTION PREVENTION, RENTAL ASSISTANCE, UM, AND ALSO THERE ARE STATE FUNDED PROGRAMS IN PRESCOTT AND IN FLAGSTAFF AS WELL AS PARTICULARLY IN PRESCOTT.
I DO KNOW THERE IS A SMALL ORGANIZATION THAT GETS PRIVATE GRANT FUNDING TO PROVIDE GAP, UM, SERVICES AND GAP SORT OF RENTAL ASSISTANCE FOR THOSE WHO MAYBE MAKE TOO MUCH TO QUALIFY FOR RAPID REHOUSING, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO BE SUSTAINABLE IN THEIR RENT.
OKAY? SO THERE'S ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING ALL AROUND US AND IN THE VERDE VALLEY AND IN THE SEDONA AREA, NOT SO MUCH.
RIGHT? SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US.
AND IN FACT, TODAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON, IT'S ON THE RADAR.
TODAY WE LEARNED THAT, UM, THERE WERE TWO BILLS THAT WERE INTRODUCED IN THE STATE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.
AND THESE BILLS DO ADDRESS RENTAL ASSISTANCE PREVENTING EVICTIONS AND HOMELESSNESS.
A COALITION OF LAWMAKERS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE ARE MAKING HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS A PRIORITY.
THIS SESSION WHERE THEY ARE FINALLY BEGINNING TO TAKE SOME ACTION.
UM, I ALSO WANNA TALK ABOUT WHO WILL THE PROGRAM SERVE.
SO THIS IS THE SEDONA RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM TO PROVIDE SHORT TERM TO MEDIUM TERM RAPID RESOLUTION, INCLUDING RAPID REHOUSING FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHO ARE THE HOMELESS.
SO, UH,
THERE'S DIFFERENT VARYING LEVELS.
THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOMELESSNESS.
SO I CAUTION YOU TO GENERALIZE WHEN WE THINK OF HOMELESS AND THOSE AT RISK
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OF BEING HOMELESS, UM, TO, NOT TO GENERALIZE, BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THAT ARE VERY COMPLEX, UM, IN OUR UNDERSTANDING.AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS LATER ABOUT THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF HOMELESSNESS AND HOW YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE IMPACTS ARE, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
SO WHO ARE WE PARTNERING WITH? WE ARE PARTNERING WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES COMMUNITY SERVICE, UH, CATHOLIC CHARITIES COMMUNITY SERVICES.
YOU HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS AT OUR LAST MEETING, BUT I'M GOING TO REPEAT IT, UM, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE WHO WERE NOT, UM, PRESENT AT THAT MEETING.
UH, CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS AN INDEPENDENT, THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING, UH, IN ARIZONA SINCE 1933.
THEY OPERATE AS AN INDEPENDENT 5 0 1 C3 NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, UH, WITH AN INDEPENDENT BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
THEY PROVIDE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES THROUGHOUT EIGHT ARIZONA COUNTIES, INCLUDING YAVAPAI AND COCONINO.
THEY HAVE BEEN VETTED BY THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING, AND THEY SERVE AS THE LCEH REPRESENTATIVE.
AND THAT'S AN ACRONYM THAT IS A MOUTHFUL.
LCEH STANDS FOR THE LOCAL COALITION TO END HOMELESSNESS, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.
BUT, UM, THEY INTERACT AND THEY COORDINATE REGIONALLY WITH COORDINATED ENTRY SYSTEM SERVICE PROVIDERS.
UM, INCIDENTALLY, THE LCEH STRUCTURE, AS SET OUT BY THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING, ASSUMES ENTRY INTO THE COORDINATED SYSTEM.
THERE'S AN ENTRY POINT, UM, THERE'S AN ENTRY POINT INTO THE COORDINATED SYSTEM.
THERE'S A CRISIS RESPONSE AND A REHOUSING STRATEGY.
THE RENTAL, THIS RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM WILL BEGIN TO ENHANCE THE OPERATION OF THIS COORDINATED ENTRY APPROACH IN OUR VERDE VALLEY REGION, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT HAS COME OUT OF THE JANUARY 29TH, UH, WORK SESSION, AND WHICH WAS A REGIONAL CONVERSATION REGARDING HOMELESSNESS, COORDINATION OF CRISIS RESPONSE, AND REHOUSING STRATEGIES.
BUT THAT ASIDE, CATHOLIC CHARITIES OF NORTHERN ARIZONA IS A VIABLE, RESPECTABLE ORGANIZATION WITH INTEGRITY OF MISSION AND RESPONSIBILITY TO THOSE SERVED.
AND I DO HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN THEM, AND NOT ONLY DO I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN THEM, BUT IF THIS PROGRAM DOES MOVE FORWARD FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THE REGION, I WILL BE MONITORING ALL PROGRESS AND EXPENDITURES.
AND ADDITIONALLY, I HAVE ASKED CATHOLIC CHARITIES TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL AUDITS FOR OUR REVIEW.
SO BASICALLY THE GOAL OF THIS PROGRAM IS HOUSING, PERMANENT HOUSING AND HOUSING STABILITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TARGETED UP TO A HUNDRED OR SO HOUSEHOLDS OVER THE TWO YEARS.
UH, WE WILL BE SERVING SEDONA RESIDENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE EMPLOYED AND EXPERIENCING VEHICULAR HOMELESSNESS.
WE KNOW FROM OUR SAFE PLACE TO PARK RESEARCH THAT AT THAT TIME THERE WERE 40 OR SO, UM, THAT WE WERE, THAT WE CONNECTED WITH.
OF THOSE OF PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE, UM, BUT DO NOT HAVE HOUSING AND RESIDE IN THEIR VEHICLES.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY 22 SCHOOL KIDS IN THE SEDONA OAK CREEK SCHOOLS THAT THROUGH MCKINNEY-VENTO.
THEY'RE, THEY ARE CONSIDERED HOMELESS, UH, SENIORS WHO ARE HOUSING CHALLENGED, UH, THE, AND THOSE WITH A CONNECTION TO SEDONA IN SOME FORM.
SO WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT? UH, HOUSING RELOCATION AND STABILIZATION SERVICES.
SUPPORTIVE SERVICES, FOR EXAMPLE, RENTAL ASSISTANCE, DEPOSITS, UTILITY ASSISTANCE, MOVE-IN ASSISTANCE, PET ASSISTANCE, UH, INSPECTION, PROCESSING, HOUSING SEARCH.
'CAUSE IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND HOUSING.
WE WILL HELP THEM, UH, TO LOCATE, UH, THEIR, THEIR RENTAL, UM, STORAGE, TRANSPORTATION, LEGAL CLOTHING, UH, HEALTHCARE, WHATEVER IS DETERMINED ON
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AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS TO SUPPORT PERMANENT HOUSING.CATHOLIC CHARITIES MUST COLLECT AND MAINTAIN DOCUMENTATION CERTIFYING THE PROGRAM, ELIGIBILITY OF THE PARTICIPANTS.
AND, UM, COORDINATED INTAKES AND HOUSING BASED CASE MANAGEMENT WILL BE PROVIDED.
UH, BUDGETING, RESOURCE REFERRALS, CONNECTIONS TO MCKINNEY-VENTO LIAISONS FOR SCHOOL CHILDREN.
SO IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY ROBUST.
A LOT OF WRAPAROUND SERVICES, UM, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE MAYBE, WHO HAVEN'T BEEN HOUSED FOR A WHILE FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
CONTINUING, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN HERE.
PRE TENANCY ACTIVITIES INCLUDE OBTAINING DOCUMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR, UM, BE BEING, UM, RENTING A A HOME.
UH, THERE'S A DEDICATED PROPERTY MANAGER IN NORTHERN ARIZONA FROM CATHOLIC CHARITIES, WHICH WILL ASSIST WITH HOUSING SEARCH, UH, AN ONGOING RELATIONSHIP TO DEVELOP, UH, THE RELATIONSHIP WITH LANDLORDS.
COORDINATE CASE MANAGEMENT WITH OTHER AGENCIES, FOR EXAMPLE, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES IF NEEDED.
UM, CASE MANAGEMENT REGARDING RESOURCES, REFERRALS.
AGAIN, THE GOAL IS HOUSING STABILITY.
THERE WILL BE A STEP DOWN APPROACH TO THE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE.
AND WHEN, UH, IN THE, AFTER I'M FINISHED WITH THE PRESENTATION AND CAMMIE COMES FORWARD, SHE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT MANY OF THESE DETAILS.
UM, THERE WILL BE AN OUT OUTREACH STAFF THAT WILL, UM, IN YAVAPAI COUNTY THAT WILL LOCATE VULNERABLE INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES.
AND THERE WILL BE SCHEDULED OFFICE SPACE FOR CASE MANAGEMENT, FOR INTAKE MEETINGS AND SO FORTH AT THE COMMUNITY LIBRARY.
AND, UM, AND ALSO AT THE CITY, UH, WE WILL BE COORDINATING AND COMMUNICATING WITH SERVICE PROVIDERS, THE SEDONA FOOD BANK, ST.
VINCENT DEPAUL, SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THE LIBRARY TO NAME A FEW AND STAFFING REQUIREMENTS.
SO THIS GRANT, WHICH IS FUNDED BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING, WILL FUND, UH, 1.1 AND A HALF FTES, A CASE MANAGER AND SUPERVISOR AND CATHOLIC CHARITIES, UH, WILL HIRE AND TRAIN THE CASE MANAGEMENT STAFF.
PERFORMANCE METRICS WILL ALSO BE INCLUDED, WHICH INCLUDE THINGS LIKE SERVICE UTILIZATION, METRICS, THE NUMBER OF PERSONS SERVED, THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS SERVED, THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN, NUMBER OF VETERANS HOMELESSNESS STATUS PER HUD DEFINITION, WHICH AGAIN IS VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPLEX, UH, AVERAGE AND MEDIAN LENGTH OF PARTICIPATION.
THERE WILL BE DEMOGRAPHICS, AGE, GENDER, DISABLING, CONDITION CONDITIONS, HISTORY OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, THEIR BENEFIT STATUS, HOW MUCH, WHAT'S THEIR MONTHLY INCOME, HOW MUCH SNAP, WIC OR OTHER KINDS OF BENEFITS ARE THEY RECEIVING? AND THEN THE EXIT OUTCOMES WILL BE INCLUDED.
UM, WHERE DO THEY EXIT TO? OKAY, DO THEY EXIT BACK TO HOMELESSNESS? DO THEY EXIT TO INSTITUTIONAL SETTINGS, TEMPORARY SITUATIONS, PERMANENT HOUSING, OTHER.
SO AS YOU MAY REALIZE, UH, THESE PERFORMANCE METRICS WILL REALLY BEGIN TO PROVIDE A MUCH TRUER PICTURE OF HOMELESSNESS AND HOUSING DATA POINTS IN OUR REGION, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE THEM NOW, RIGHT? SO THIS WILL BEGIN TO COLLECT INFORMATION THAT IS, UM, USEFUL FOR OUR PURPOSES.
AND THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A LARGER COMPREHENSIVE EFFORT TO CONNECT SUPPORT SERVICES REGIONALLY.
UM, WHICH NOT ONLY INCLUDE SUPPORT SERVICES FOR HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS, BUT FOR THOSE WHO ARE AT RISK OF BEING HOMELESS.
THOSE OF THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO ARE VULNERABLE, WHO ARE STRUGGLING.
SO THIS WILL BE A WAY TO CONNECT ALL OF IT.
SO THE CITY WILL REQUIRE FINANCIAL AUDITS AT THE LAST THREE TO RE BE REVIEWED BY THE CITY PRIOR TO OUR CONTRACTING WITH THEM.
CONTRACT TERM WILL BE FOR 24 MONTHS.
CATHOLIC CHARITIES WILL SUBMIT MONTHLY REQUESTS FOR PAYMENT TO THE CITY, UM,
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THAT WILL, UM, TO REIMBURSE FOR THE COSTS THAT WERE INCURRED IN THE PROGRAM, UH, WITH ALL THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATIONS, THE PERFORMANCE METRICS, THE REPORTS, THE, AN ANNUAL AUDIT IS REQUIRED BY THE CITY OF SEDONA.SO WE WILL REQUIRE CATHOLIC CHARITIES, YOU KNOW, AN AUDIT TO AUDIT THEM.
UM, AND THAT CONSISTS OF FINANCIAL AUDIT AND UH, PROGRAM AUDIT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WILL BE REIMBURSED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING FOR ALL OF THESE COSTS.
SO IT IS REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, BENEFICIAL, UM, THAT THE STATE WILL BE FUNDING THE COST OF THIS PROGRAM.
AND I THINK THAT BRINGS ME TO THE END.
SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE ARE SO HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THIS WITH YOU.
KAMI, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME JOIN ME OVER HERE? DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, I DO, BUT I DIDN'T.
I HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT WHENEVER YOU WANNA RUN IT MAYOR, WHENEVER YOU WANNA START.
DEREK, WHY DON'T YOU START FIRST, UH, THANK YOU JEANNIE.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO, UM, I'VE SEEN SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT HOW CATHOLIC CHARITIES WAS CHOSEN OR WHY THEY WERE CHOSEN TO DO THIS.
UH, THERE WAS A MENTION, YOU KNOW, DID WE HAVE AN R-F-Q-R-F-P? COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE WORKING WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES SPECIFIC? YES, I CAN EXPLAIN WHY WE ARE WORKING WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES BECAUSE THEY ARE THE DESIGNATED LCEH REPRESENTATIVE FOR NORTHERN UH, ARIZONA.
AND AS SUCH THEY ARE, AND KAMI CAN EXPLAIN ABOUT THE LCEH, BUT IT'S COORDINATED ENTRY.
UM, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE TO OVERSEE AND COORDINATE THE ENTRY.
UM, WE'VE BEEN IN MEETINGS WITH THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES TO DEVELOP THIS PROGRAM, WHICH CATHOLIC CHARITIES RUNS, UM, SIMILAR PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT EIGHT COUNTIES IN NORTHERN ARIZONA.
SO THE STATE TOLD US THIS IS WHO YOU'RE WORKING WITH BASICALLY.
OR THEY, OR THEY PICK CATHOLIC CHARITIES AS THE ORGANIZATION THAT RUNS THIS KIND OF PROGRAM.
COULD I FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT? YEAH.
ON THAT POINT WE HAVE A DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE THANK YOU.
DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT WE RUN WITH NORTHERN ARIZONA SOLUTIONS HOUSING SOLUTIONS, BUT THEY DON'T RUN THIS.
SO CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS THE ONLY ORGANIZATION IN THIS AREA THAT'S RUNNING, THAT IS EQUIPPED TO RUN THIS KIND OF A PROGRAM FOR US.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, CATHOLIC CHARITIES DOES HAVE THE CAPACITY BECAUSE THIS IS A PRETTY COORDINATED EFFORT AND CATHOLIC CHARITIES DOES HAVE THE CAP CAPABILITY AND THE CAPACITY TO RUN THIS TYPE OF A PROGRAM.
UM, HOUSING SOLUTIONS OF NORTHERN ARIZONA IS PART OF THAT SYSTEM.
I'M GONNA ASK YEAH, WHOEVER HAS THE PHONE WITH THE, THE TRAIN WHISTLE.
I'VE HEARD IT THREE TIMES OR TWO TIMES.
I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING THE FIRST TWO TIMES, BUT IT DOES GET DISTRACTING.
UM, HOUSING SOLUTIONS AND I BELIEVE, UM, THEY ARE IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY TOO, UM, TO SHARE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR ORGANIZATION AND THE HOUSING WORK THAT THEY DO IN OUR REGION.
UM, THEY DO HAVE RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS, UM, WHICH THEY OPERATE IN FLAGSTAFF, BUT THEY ARE, IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE THESE ARE PROPERTIES THAT THEY OWN AND OPERATE.
UH, THEY'RE TRANSITIONAL UH, HOUSING.
THIS IS NOT TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PERMANENT HOUSING.
AND SO TONIGHT WE'RE JUST, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INSTRUCTING YOU WHETHER OR NOT TO APPLY TO A DO TO WITH THIS NEW PROGRAM.
RIGHT? AND THEN THE CONTRACT WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES WILL COME BACK BEFORE COUNCIL FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
IS THAT HOW THIS IS GONNA PLAY OUT OR EXPECTED TO PLAY OUT? YES, THAT'S EXACTLY HOW IT WILL OKAY.
SO IF WE DO GET DIRECTION TO, UM, WORK ON THE AMENDED SCOPE AND BUDGET TO SUBMIT TO DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING FOR THEIR APPROVAL, UM, THAT SCOPE AND BUDGET WILL COME BACK BEFORE COUNSEL WITH, WITH THE CONTRACT FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
AND DOES THIS MONEY, AND MAYBE THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO HAVE
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THIS DISCUSSION, BUT DOES THIS MONEY HAVE TO BE SPENT WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF SEDONA? IT DOES NOT.AND IS THERE, CAN WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WORK IN SEDONA WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
IS THERE A WAY OR ARE WE PERMITTED TO PRIORITIZE SEDONA RESIDENTS OR WE YES.
START WITH SEDONA RESIDENTS AND WORK OUR WAY OUT? WE, YES, WE ABSOLUTELY CAN AND WILL PRIORITIZE, UM, SEDONA RESIDENTS AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
AND THIS IS STRICTLY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRULY HOMELESS.
THIS WON'T BE USED FOR LIKE HOUSING INSECURITY.
THAT'S I ENTERED FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT'S A DIFFERENT FUND.
SO THIS COMES OUT OF THE, ANOTHER ACRONYM, SORRY, THE HSSF FUND, WHICH IS HOMELESS SHELTER AND SERVICES FUNDING.
AND THIS IS VERY SPECIFIC TO ADDRESS PEOPLE WHO ARE LITERALLY HOMELESS.
UM, BUT THAT BEING SAID, I DO WANT TO REMIND THAT BECAUSE CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS THE LCEH AND IS INVOLVED WITH COORDINATED ENTRY AND WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE, UH, CONNECTIONS TO SERVICES FOR OTHERS WHO MAY BE EXPERIENCING, UM, AT RISK OF BEING HOMELESS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A CONNECTION HERE.
WE CAN CONNECT THEM WITH THE ORGANIZATION.
WE JUST CAN'T SPEND THIS MONEY ON THAT.
I HAVE SOME COMMENTS, BUT I'LL RESERVE THOSE COMMENTS LATER.
I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS THAT I WANT TO ASK.
THAT ALL JUST CAME UP AS I WAS HEARING YOUR PRESENTATION ON SLIDE SIX.
YOUR PROGRAM OUTLINE CONTINUED.
YOU TALK ABOUT PRE TENANCY ACTIVITIES AND, BUT I THINK THE PAGE BEFORE YOU TALK ABOUT NEXUS TO SEDONA.
SO YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THIS KIND COUNSELOR AS WELL.
SO WHAT, CAN YOU GIMME SOME, JUST RUN THROUGH SOME SCENARIOS OF WHO GETS IN AND WHO DOESN'T GET IN.
AND I'M WITH SPECIFIC REFERENCE TO THIS NEXUS OF SEDONA.
AND THEN RELATED TO THAT, HOW DO YOU PROVE THAT? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BE MM-HMM
ASKING FOR? 'CAUSE YOU DO TALK ABOUT CHECK IN DOCUMENTS, BUT MM-HMM
NOTHING THAT YOU LISTED TELLS ME THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR NEXUS TO SEDONA.
SO, SO, SO SOME OF THE THINGS ARE, THEY HAVE A JOB HERE, THEY'RE MAYBE THEIR LAST ADDRESS WAS HERE.
UM, THEY, MAYBE THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE ENROLLED IN SCHOOL HERE, UH, OR THEY HAVE FAMILY HERE.
PERHAPS THEY'RE A MEMBER OF A CHURCH HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION OF THEIR NEXUS TO SEDONA.
HOW FAR BACK DO YOU KNOW? ARE YOU GONNA LOOK TO SEE THAT THEY WERE HERE TWO WEEKS AGO? OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR CUTOFF POINT OF SAYING THERE IS A NEXUS? OKAY, SO AS AN EXAMPLE, THE STATE WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO BE APPLYING FOR PUBLIC PUBLIC ASSISTANCE, UM, THAT'S A 90 DAY RESIDENCY.
YOU HAVE TO PROVE YOU'RE A RESIDENT FOR 90 DAYS.
UM, THAT COULD MIRROR THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE, UM, CONNECTED, YOU KNOW, IN A TIMEFRAME.
SO THE INTAKE PROCESS WILL BE LOOKING AT DOCUMENTS, NOT JUST STATEMENTS BY PEOPLE AS TO WHAT THIS NEXT, NEXT IS.
AND I APPRECIATE, I THINK WE PROBABLY ASKED SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS IN THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM AND I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER WE CARRIED THROUGH MUCH OF THE SAME CRITERIA OF THE FOLKS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SERVE OR NOT.
CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION OFFHAND? IS IT DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT IN IN ANY WAYS FROM SAFE PLACE TO PARK OR MUCH SIMILAR OR HOW WOULD YOU CLASSIFY THAT? I, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE GOING TO PRIORITIZE LIKE AT IN SAFE PLACE TO PARK SEDONA PEOPLE AND PEOPLE WITH UM, A NEXUS A CONNECTION TO SEDONA.
IN FACT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO KNOW THAT THERE, THERE IS A NEED AND WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, RESPOND TO THAT NEED LOCALLY.
YOU'VE MENTIONED PRESCOTT AND FLAGSTAFF PROGRAMS THAT HAD SOME SIMILARITIES.
I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAVE ASKED THEM A QUESTION ABOUT WERE THEY AFRAID WHEN THEY LAUNCHED THEIR PROGRAMS, THAT THESE PROGRAMS WOULD ATTRACT NEW PEOPLE TO THEIR COMMUNITIES AND WHAT'S BEEN THEIR EXPERIENCE? HAVE YOU HAD THAT CONVERSATION OR DO YOU KNOW THE RESULTS OF PRESCOTT FLAG PROGRAMS? OKAY, I'M GONNA PASS THIS OVER TO KAMI SINCE SHE HAS DIRECT EXPERIENCE WITH THAT.
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GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNSEL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US BACK TODAY.UM, AS MENTIONED, MY NAME'S KAMI RASMAN.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF HOMELESS SERVICES WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
UM, SO THE SHORT ANSWER IS THERE IS NO DATA OR EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS THAT CREATING PROGRAMMINGS INCREASES THE NUMBER OF FOLKS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN THAT AREA.
I THINK IT GOES BACK A LITTLE BIT TO SOME OF WHAT WAS TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IS NOT EVERYBODY THAT IS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IS VISIBLE.
AND SO YOU TALK ABOUT THE KIDDOS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE MCKINNEY-VENTO LIAISON THROUGH SCHOOLS.
MAYBE THEY'RE IN UNSAFE SITUATIONS, YOU PROBABLY DON'T SEE THOSE FOLKS ON THE STREETS.
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY ALREADY THESE SERVICES IN YAVAPAI COUNTY.
UM, CATHOLIC CHARITIES, WE HAVE SEVERAL PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE UNITS IN THE VERDE VALLEY.
WE HAVE SMALLER DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF RAPID REHOUSING.
WE HAVE COMMUNITY JAIL REENTRY PROGRAMS AND WE'RE JUST ONE OF MANY HOUSING PROVIDERS.
WE KNOW VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION IS DOING AMAZING WORK.
THERE'S THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE GROUPS THAT ARE DOING GREAT WORK.
SO THERE'S ALREADY GREAT PARTNERSHIPS AND GREAT WORK THAT IS HAPPENING HERE.
AND SO I THINK THAT TO LOOK BACK ANECDOTALLY AT THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT THAT PROGRAMMING HAS BEEN HERE, WE HAVE NOT SEEN AN INCREASE IN THOSE AREAS BECAUSE OF THE SERVICES.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TESTIMONY ON THAT.
UH, I'M JUST WONDERING AT SOME POINT AS WE, IF THIS MOVES PAST TONIGHT, IF WE COULD ACTUALLY GET SOME REAL FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE THAT RUN THESE PROGRAMS IN PRESCOTT AND FLAGSTAFF OR ANY OTHER LOCAL VERDE VALLEY ISH ENTITY THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE USEFUL.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEM ON THE RECORD IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO DO SO TO KIND OF ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UH, MY NEXT QUESTION IS, YOUR STAFFING WAS 1.5 FTES, BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT AN OFFICE OR INTAKE AT THE LIBRARY AND CITY HALL.
HOW DOES
UH, SOME HOURS AT THE LIBRARY, SOME HOURS AT THE CITY AND UM, THERE WILL ALSO BE TIME OUT IN THE FIELD TOO.
SO, SO THE WORK THAT'LL BE DONE AT CITY HALL WOULD BE DONE BY THIS 1.5 FTES AT SOME POINT DURING THE WEEK? YES.
THIS IS NOT A BURDEN ON CITY STAFF.
WE'RE NOT ASKING CITY STAFF TO DO SOME OF THIS WORK.
SO I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S THE OUTCOME FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ENTER THE PROGRAM BUT REALLY DON'T WANNA SOLVE THEIR PROBLEM.
THEY'RE REALLY ONLY STAY IN FOR HOUSING.
THEY DON'T CARE TO ADDRESS THEIR ISSUES.
WHAT DO YOU DO? SO THAT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION BASED ON, WE ARE HERE TO PROVIDE HOUSING AND WRAPAROUND SERVICES.
SO WE CAN, WE DO A SELF-SUFFICIENCY MATRIX, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE WE WILL LOOK AT THE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH FOR EVERYBODY THAT CAME IN.
AND YOU CAN SEE DO THEY HAVE A CONNECTION TO A PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN? DO THEY HAVE CONNECTION TO FOOD, DO THEY HAVE CONNECTION TO ALL OF THOSE THINGS? UM, AND WE WILL DO THAT WHEN THEY COME IN.
WE WILL DO THAT WHEN THEY EXIT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A RANGE, BUT PRIMARILY WE'RE THERE TO HELP THEM IDENTIFY HOUSING, HELP THEM GET INTO HOUSING BECAUSE WITH THE RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAM, THE LEASE IS ACTUALLY IN THEIR NAME.
SO WE'RE HELPING THEM NAVIGATE THAT.
WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON HELPING THEM STAY HOUSED.
AND SO WE, MOST OF OUR METRICS THAT WE GATHER ARE SPECIFIC TO HOUSING.
BUT IF YOU GUYS HAD SPECIFIC THINGS OTHER THAN THEIR POSITIVE EXITS INTO PERMANENT HOUSING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO COLLECT, WE COULD CERTAINLY PUT THOSE ON THE LIST AND SEE IF WHAT WE COULD COLLECT THAT WAY.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE AVERAGE FOR RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAMS EXITING INTO PERMANENT HOUSING IS AROUND 70 TO 80%.
CURRENTLY CATHOLIC CHARITIES, WE'VE BEEN OPERATING RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAMS SINCE 2017 AND OUR EXIT INTO PERMANENT HOUSING FROM RAPID REHOUSING IS CURRENTLY 93%.
SO I I I'LL GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK.
YES, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE METRICS THAT TALK ABOUT THE POSITIVE OUTCOMES, BUT I WANNA REFRAME MY QUESTION AND SAY ASK, DO YOU EXIT PEOPLE? DO YOU PROACTIVELY EXIT PEOPLE WHO AREN'T REALLY INTERESTED IN ANYTHING OTHER THAN, SO THEY HAVE A LEASE IN THEIR OWN NAME.
AND SO THEY COULD NOT BE LEGALLY EXITED UNLESS THEY VIOLATED THEIR LEASE.
IT'S NOT A CATHOLIC CHARITIES PROGRAM, IT'S THIS INDIVIDUAL FAMILY HAS A LEASE IN THEIR NAME WITH THE LANDLORD.
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SAME LEGAL EXPECTATIONS AND PROTECTIONS AS ANYBODY ELSE RENTING.AND IS THERE A DRUG AND ALCOHOL POLICY IN THE PROGRAM? THERE'S NOT.
PETE, CAN I ASK A QUESTION BASED ON THE SURE.
ACTUALLY, SO LET'S, SO YOU, I HEARD PETE ASK YOU ABOUT EXITING AND FOR ME IT'S, THERE'S A SLIGHT VARIATION.
SO IT'S, IT'S EXITING THE, THE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE, THE LANDLORD AND THE TENANT, WHICH WE'RE NOT INVOLVED WITH.
BUT WHAT ABOUT WITH THE PROGRAM? CAN YOU EXIT FROM THE PROGRAM AND NOT RECEIVE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE IF THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES? SO WE WOULD ENGAGE CASE MANAGEMENT.
WE WOULD NOT IMMEDIATELY EXIT IF THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES.
SO WE WOULD TRY TO COME ALONGSIDE THE LANDLORD, THE TENANT, AND TRY TO ADVOCATE FOR THEM TO CORRECT ANY ISSUES THAT THEY'RE HAVING CONNECTED TO THEIR HOUSING.
UM, AND THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION 'CAUSE I DO THINK I SHOULD CLARIFY FOR US AN EXIT.
SO WE WOULD FOLKS COME INTO THE PROGRAM, WE HELP THEM WITH THEIR MOVE-IN ASSISTANCE.
WE GRADUALLY DECREASE THE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE WE PAY, BUT WE CONTINUE THAT MONTHLY BASE CASE MANAGEMENT WITH THEM.
BUT AFTER SIX TO NINE MONTHS TO 12 MONTHS, DEPENDING ON THE FAMILY AND THE HOUSEHOLD, 'CAUSE IT'S INDIVIDUAL, THEN WE WOULD EXIT FROM THEIR SERVICES AND THEY CAN REMAIN IN THAT LEASE IN THAT UNIT.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S CONSIDERED A POSITIVE EXIT.
UM, I WAS GONNA ASK A QUESTION, BUT YOU ANSWERED IT IN THAT MY QUESTION WOULD'VE BEEN, SO WHAT IS THE, WHAT INTERCEDENCE DO YOU PROVIDE AND THE SUPPORT ONGOING, BUT I I BELIEVE THAT YOU ANSWERED THAT.
ARE THERE CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH YOU WOULD FORCE AN EARLY EXIT? I MEAN, YOU'D SAID YOU WOULDN'T IMMEDIATELY KICK SOMEBODY OUT IF THEY BROKE THE RULES.
BUT IF THEY KEEP BREAKING THE RULES AND THEY KEEP BEING A PROBLEM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S THE LANDLORD'S JOB TO EVICT THEM IF CORRECT THE TIME COMES.
BUT IS THERE A POINT AT WHICH CATHOLIC CHARITIES SAYS, OKAY, ENOUGH, WE'RE PHASING IT DOWN, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A MONTH AND THEN THAT'S IT.
NO, THE, THE CLIENT COULD REFUSE OUR SERVICES, BUT AGAIN, WE COULD NOT EXIT SOMEBODY FROM A UNIT WITHOUT A LANDLORD EXITING THEM.
SO THE PROGRAM, I'M NOT SAYING NOT, I'M NOT SAYING EXITING THE UNIT.
I'M SAYING THAT THAT'S, THAT'S BETWEEN THEM AND THE LANDLORD.
MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT ABIDING BY YOUR RULES OR IS BEING A PROBLEM REFUSING TO MEET WITH US NO LONGER WANTING OUR SERVICES, HE, WITH YOU BEING A PAIN IN THE BUTT TO THE LANDLORD AND JUST KNOW NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU TALK TO 'EM, THEY JUST DON'T DO ANYTHING, WOULD YOU PUSH THEM OUT OF THE CATHOLIC CHARITIES PROGRAM EARLY? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
THEY COULD BE EXITED EARLY FOR NON-COMPLIANCE.
SORRY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M SORRY.
DID THAT, DID THAT ANSWER IF I DIDN'T ASK IT? WELL, YOU ASKED A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
COULD WE INSTILL AN ADDITIONAL RULE FOR THIS PROGRAM OR, UH, IS IT TAKE ONE OR TAKE IT, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT ALL IF WE WANT, IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT IS WE IS PUT INTO A HOME AND DOES DRINK AND DOES USE ALCOHOL, UH, UH, DRUGS AND 'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF PRODUCTIVE TO THE KIND OF PEOPLE WE WANT HERE.
IF THEY ARE ABUSERS, CAN THEY BE PUT OUT OF THE PROGRAM FOR NOT FOLLOWING THOSE KIND OF RULES? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING WOULD HAVE TO INDICATE THAT TO US IN THE CONTRACT.
THAT IS NOT A CALL THAT WE COULD MAKE.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA JOIN THE PARTY?
NEXT QUESTION I WANNA ASK IS, DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENT OF YOUR FUNDS ARE GOING TO OVERHEAD? YES, WE DO HAVE, WE ARE WORKING ON A BUDGET OUTLINE.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE WAY WE USUALLY HAVE 10% ADMINISTRATION AND WE HAVE OVER 50% GOING DIRECTLY TO CLIENT ASSISTANCE.
AND THEN THERE, THERE'S THE SALARY, ERE AND INDIRECT.
AND THEN THERE'S THE OVERHEAD OF THINGS LIKE TRAVEL OFFICE, SPACE INSURANCE.
BUT MORE THAN 50% IS GOING DIRECTLY TO CLIENTS.
AND ONCE WE GET FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, ONCE WE HAVE A CONTRACT FROM THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING, AGAIN, THEY WILL MANDATE WHAT THOSE SECTIONS ARE FOR US.
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THANK YOU.KURT, I THINK THIS MAYBE IS GOING YOUR DIRECTION.
SO WE REFERENCED THESE BILLS THAT WERE INTRODUCED ARE WE TRACK ABOUT PREVENTATIVE, UH, ACTIONS BY ORTIZ AND I FORGET THE OTHER NAME.
ARE WE TRACKING THOSE BILLS? THEY, THEY WERE NOT ON THE LIST THAT IT WILL BE UP FOR, UH, COUNCIL DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
UH, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD THOSE.
DO WE, DOES ANYONE HAVE AN IDEA WHETHER THEY HAVE A SNOWBALLS CHANCE AND HAVE THEY BEEN ASSIGNED TO A COMMITTEE OR HAD A HEARING? WHAT A LOADED QUESTION.
I THINK THEY WERE JUST, UH, JUST DROPPED IN.
THEY WERE JUST DROPPED THIS WEEK.
YEAH, SO SOMETIMES THEY GET ASSIGNED TO COMMITTEES QUICKLY, BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE INFORMATION ANSWER THAT, YES OR NO.
AND YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ASK, UH, KATHY SENTIMENT LATER IN THE NEXT ITEM.
SHE'LL BE, SHE'LL BE ON UH, RIGHT WITH US.
AND KURT, ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO SAY WE TEAR THROUGH THE A DO FUNDING AND IT'S NOT HAVING THE RESULTS THAT WE WANT THE PROGRAM TO HAVE.
HOW DO WE TALK TO US ABOUT HOW DO YOU CLOSE A PROGRAM DOWN AND TALK TO US ABOUT THE LEGAL RISKS OF IS THERE ANY LEGAL RISK THAT PEOPLE IN THE PROGRAM COULD SUE THE CITY FOR STOPPING SOMETHING THAT THEY RELIED ON? SURE.
SO I DON'T SEE ANY LEGAL RISKS FROM THIS.
THERE'S, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF THAT GOES INTO HOW THEY WOULD CLOSE THE PROGRAM DOWN IF IT COMES TO THAT POINT AND OR THE, THE FUNDS ARE ALL USED UP OR THE TIMELINE TO EXPEND THE FUNDS EXPIRE.
UH, BUT THE CITY'S CONTRACT WOULD BE WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
THE GROUND WOULD BE THROUGH A O AND IN THE CITY'S CONTRACT, WE ALWAYS PUT IN A TERMINATION FOR CONVENIENCE CLAUSE, AND SO THAT WE CAN JUST TERMINATE AT ANY TIME, UM, WITHOUT PROVIDING A REASON NECESSARILY.
AND SO FROM A LEGAL ASPECT, WE'RE, WE'RE COVERED THAT WAY.
ADDITIONALLY, USUALLY IN THIS TYPE OF AGREEMENT, THERE WILL BE AN APPROPRIATIONS CLAUSE SO THAT IF THE MONEY IS NO LONGER APPROPRIATE, EITHER THROUGH FROM THE GRANT THROUGH A, OR COUNCIL DOESN'T APPROVE OF IT, UH, ANYMORE THAN THE PROGRAM CAN BE STOPPED.
UM, THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM, IT'S A, UH, MINIMAL ASSISTANCE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST COUPLE MONTHS PUTTING SOMEONE IN INTO, UH, PERMANENT HOUSING, UH, DOES NOT, IN MY OPINION, CREATE ANY TYPE OF, UH, PROPERTY RIGHT.
OR CLAIM ON THE CITY FOR FUTURE FURTHER ASSISTANCE OTHER THAN WHAT WAS, UH, INITIALLY GRANTED.
YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE MANY THINGS YOU CAN SUE ABOUT WHATEVER YOU WANT, YOU CAN TRY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OPINION YET ABOUT HOW A SUIT MIGHT SURVIVE IN THE COURTS AGAINST US? NO, I DON'T.
I MEAN, I DON'T SEE ONE SURVIVING.
I THINK A MOTION DISMISS WOULD TAKE CARE OF, UH, ANY SUIT THAT CAME FORWARD FROM A, A PARTICIPANT OF THE PROGRAM.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN A PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN USED IN MANY OTHER COUNTIES AND, AND CITIES, AND I'M UNAWARE OF, UM, UH, CATHOLIC CHARITIES MIGHT KNOW OF ANY CASE, BUT I'M UNAWARE OF ANY CASES, UH, WHERE THE CITIES HAVE GOTTEN SUED FOR BEING THE, THE PASS THROUGH GRANT, UM, RECIPIENT.
AND I'LL OPEN THAT QUESTION TO YOU, WHETHER YOU'VE SEEN ANY PAST EXPERIENCE OF I HAVE NOT.
AND THAT MAYOR IS MY LIST OF QUESTIONS.
SO THE 875 PLUS THOUSAND IS ONE TIME GRANT FOR A PERIOD OF OVER TWO YEARS, BUT YOU HAVE A PROJECTION OR A TARGET OF 103 HOUSEHOLDS SERVED OVER A TWO YEAR PERIOD.
HOW WAS THAT NUMBER REACHED IN THAT FIGURING THE MONEY WOULD LAST FOR 103 PLACEMENTS OR, I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, I HAVE A PHONE.
THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO PROVIDE, UM, HOUSING ASSISTANCE TO A HUNDRED AND A HUNDRED FA HOUSEHOLDS.
UH, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE FOLLOW-UPS TO THIS, BUT ARE THERE A, IS 103 THE NUMBER THAT YOU THINK IS READY FOR THIS SORT OF ASSISTANCE? WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL FIND OUT.
ALRIGHT, SO MY FOLLOW UP IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCILOR KINSELLA SAID THIS ORIGINAL GRANT FROM THE STATE WAS FOR TWO YEARS MM-HMM
BUT WE WERE TOLD THAT CLOCK STARTED LAST YEAR.
IT HAD STILL HAVE THEY GIVEN US A GRACE PERIOD BECAUSE OF THE, THE CHALLENGES AND WE OF LISTENING TO OUR COMMUNITY AND UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR COMMUNITY HEAD OF, HEAD OF HAS A VOICE OR ARE WE ALREADY HALFWAY THROUGH IT? SO IN, UH, RELATIONSHIP BUILDING WITH A O AND IN TALKING ABOUT THESE
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ISSUES AND THEY DO UNDERSTAND, UM, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE DO FACE, UM, THEY ARE WILLING TO BE FLEXIBLE.THEY ARE WILLING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT MAKING A HARD STOP.
SO EVERY PERSON WHO APPLIES WOULD RECEIVE A DIFFERENT AMOUNT OF MONEY DEPENDING ON THEIR NEEDS AND WHERE THEY FALL WITHIN THESE.
SO TO YOUR POINT, ABOUT 103 FAMILIES, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU ARRIVE AT THAT WHEN SOMEBODY MAY REQUIRE $5,000, SOMEBODY MAY REQUIRE $6,000, YOU, IT'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT DIVIDING 875, THE 50% OF 8 75 AND SAYING IT'S EVEN TO EACH ONE OF THESE FAMILIES.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE USED OUR PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE WITH RAPID REHOUSING IN COCONINO AND YAVAPAI COUNTY, AND AVERAGED ABOUT $5,000 PER HOUSEHOLD BASED ON WHAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY DONE IN YEARS PAST, BECAUSE SOME FOLKS WILL NOT NEED THAT MUCH.
BUT PART OF THE PROGRESSIVE ENGAGEMENT MODEL IS YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SUCCEED WITH THE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO KEEP THEM STABLY HOUSED.
AND SO THAT IS OUR MODEL WITH EVERY HOUSEHOLD.
AND SO WE WILL DO A PERSONALIZED, UM, HOUSING STABILITY PLAN TO DETERMINE WHAT IS THEIR INCOME, WHAT ARE THEIR EXPENSES, UM, AND HELP THEM BUDGET THEN FOR THAT PROGRESSIVE ENGAGEMENT, FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE THAT WE WOULD OFFER.
AND WHAT ARE THE, UM, OPTIONS WHEN THE 875,000 RUNS OUT? DO WE ANTICIPATE JEANIE, THAT THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL OP GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, OR, YEAH, SO AGAIN, UH, DEPENDING ON FUNDING SOURCES AND, UM, AVAILABILITIES, BUT YEAH, THERE, THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FURTHER FUNDING.
UM, AS WITH ANY PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, AT, UM, THROUGH A DO MM-HMM
THERE ARE DIFFERENT STREAMS. THERE MIGHT BE SOME DIFFERENT MONIES COMING AVAILABLE.
SO WE'RE KEEPING OUR FINGER ON THE PULSE AS THESE OPPORTUNITIES ARISE SO THAT WE CAN BE ABLE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, PLUG THEM IN WHEN NECESSARY.
BUT THEY, THEY HAVE A HISTORY OF FUNDING THESE SORT OF PROGRAMS. UM, HOW DOES YOURS RUN IT? IT DOES.
UM, I THINK TOO, WITH REALLY ENGAGING THE LOCAL PARTNERS, ENGAGING THAT LOCAL COALITION TO END HOMELESSNESS, WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T WANNA RELY ON ONE FUNDING SOURCE OR ONE PROGRAM IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
AND THAT'S THE THING ABOUT COORDINATED ENTRY IS WHEN FOLKS COME IN TO DO AN INTAKE, WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY SIGNING FOLKS DON'T COME IN AND ORDER OFF OF A MENU OF HOUSING.
IT'S, THEY DO A PRIORITIZED ASSESSMENT.
THEY GO THROUGH SOME BASIC QUESTIONS, AND THEN THEY ARE MATCHED WITH THE MOST APPROPRIATE RESOURCE FOR THEM IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS AVAILABILITY.
AND THAT COMES BACK TO, AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH WHEN WE WERE HERE, KIND OF THOSE THREE BUCKETS OF NEED.
YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF LOWER DIVERSION, YOU HAVE THAT MIDDLE RAPID REHOUSING TRANSITIONAL, AND THEN YOU HAVE THAT PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE, THOSE ARE FOR YOUR REALLY HIGH RISK CHRONICALLY HOMELESS FOLKS.
SO THE COMMUNITY HOUSING PARTNERS ARE HAVING THAT WEEKLY OR BIWEEKLY CASE CONFERENCING.
THEY'RE DISCUSSING WHO IS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHO DID WE SEE COME IN THIS WEEK MATCHING UP TO THE APPROPRIATE RESOURCE.
WHEN YOU HAVE A SYSTEM THAT RUNS LIKE THAT, IT'S EASIER FOR THOSE AGENCIES TO LEVERAGE ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
I MEAN, IF WE HAVE AN ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING CONTRACT, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT DES ALSO DOES THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC SECURITY.
THEY ALSO DO RAPID REHOUSING CONTRACTS.
THERE'S ACCESS CONTRACTS OUT THERE THAT WE WOULD HOPE THAT, AGAIN, CATHOLIC CHARITIES JUST WANTS TO BE ONE PLAYER IN THE PARTNER WITH ALL THE OTHER FOLKS HERE IN THE VERDE VALLEY IN SEDONA TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.
LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, UM, I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE, THE HOUSINGS, UM, PROGRAMS, NON-DISCRIMINATION POLICY.
UM, I'M ASSUMING IT'S THE SAME FOR THIS PROGRAM, AND WOULD YOU PLEASE RESTATE IT? YES, I SURE WILL.
UM, SO IN CATHOLIC CHARITIES COMMUNITY SERVICES, HOMELESS SERVICE PROGRAMS, WE RECOGNIZE AND AFFIRM THE DIGNITY, SANCTITY, AND VALUE OF EVERY HUMAN BEING, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR BACKGROUND, BELIEF SYSTEM, ECONOMIC OR SOCIAL STATUS, RACE, ETHNICITY, GENDER, SEXUALITY OR SELF IDENTITY, AGE, HEALTH, GIFTS, ABILITIES, OR ANY SOCIETAL OR OTHER IDENTIFIER.
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THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT ON THE RECORD.UM, WHERE, WHERE THIS IS, PEOPLE ARE COMING IN LOOKING FOR HOUSING AND YOU USED THE TERM BEFORE ABOUT, UH, QUOTE, IDENTIFYING HOUSING.
WHERE DO YOU FIND THE LANDLORDS? WHERE DO YOU FIND THE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES? SO THAT IS DEFINITELY OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE WITH THESE PROGRAMS. WE HAVE OFFERED, AGAIN, I'VE WORKED IN COCONINO COUNTY FOR CATHOLIC CHARITIES FOR ALMOST 15 YEARS.
WE'VE HAD OUR COTTONWOOD OFFICE THAT'S BEEN OPEN FOR 35 YEARS.
WE DO HAVE LONGSTANDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH LANDLORDS.
WE DO TRY TO USE THOSE SAME LANDLORDS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
WE DO THINGS LIKE LANDLORD ENGAGEMENTS.
WE, WE TAKE COFFEE MUGS AND COFFEE.
WE TRY TO CONNECT TO, IN OUR COMMUNITIES, WE FIND WHO DO WE KNOW? BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THOSE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITIES THAT RENT IN OUR COMMUNITIES ARE WILLING TO RENT TO US.
BUT WE'VE HAD REALLY GOOD LUCK WITH LARGE, UM, AGENCIES LIKE, UM, BELLA AND P*****K PROPERTIES, AND THEY WILL A LOT OF TIMES HAVE A SET ASIDE FOR UNITS THAT THEY WANNA USE.
EITHER SOME KIND OF SECTION EIGHT VOUCHER OR VASH VOUCHER OR RAPID REHOUSING FOR.
SO WE'VE HAD SUCCESS THAT WAY TOO.
BUT IT DEFINITELY TAKES A LOT OF WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO ENGAGE THOSE LANDLORDS.
UM, MY LAST QUESTIONS ARE, UM, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF, FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE IN DOING THIS, UM, THE PERCENTAGE OF THE HOMELESS THAT YOU'RE SERVING THROUGH THIS PROGRAM THAT ARE EITHER SENIORS, VETERANS, FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN, DO YOU HAVE A ROUGH BREAKDOWN? GOOD QUESTION.
UM, I DO HAVE, AND I'M GONNA LOOK IT UP BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO JUST GUESS ON NUMBERS.
UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, 76%, AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAMS. MM-HMM
76% OF INDIVIDUAL OF ENROLLED HOUSEHOLDS SECURED AND MOVED INTO HOUSING WHILE ENROLLED 36% ENROLLED INDIVIDUALS DISCLOSED THAT THEY HAVE AT LEAST ONE DISABLING CONDITION AT THE TIME OF ENTRY, 24% OF ADULTS DISCLOSED A HISTORY OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE OR HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
26% OF ADULTS ENTERED THE PROGRAM WITH ZERO INCOME, 21% ONLY EXITED WITH NO INCOME.
SO WE SEE PEOPLE INCREASING INCOME.
UM, AMONG THOSE WHO GAINED INCOME, THE AVERAGE GAIN WAS A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER MONTH.
UM, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS WE CAN PULL.
UM, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE, IF YOU SOME SPECIFICS ON THE POPULATION OF THE AGE DEMOGRAPHICS, WHAT WE'RE VETERANS, WHAT WE'RE FAMILIES THAT WE COULD SEND TO YOU, PLEASE.
I DON'T, I CAN'T PULL IT ALL RIGHT NOW, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY GET YOU THAT.
JUST ON AVERAGE FROM WHAT WE'VE SERVED.
DO YOU WANT ALL THE COUNTIES WE SERVE, OR JUST AN AVERAGE OF LIKE COCONINO AND YAVAPAI? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
SO TO FINISH UP ON THAT, HOW MANY VETERANS DO YOU HAVE THAT DOWN AS HOW MANY VETERANS THAT YOU HAVE? SO ONE OF THE THINGS WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS WE HAVE FULLY ESTABLISHED VETERAN PROGRAMS. WE OPERATE A ROBUST SSVF PROGRAM.
SO AGAIN, PART OF THAT COORDINATED ENTRY INTAKE IS WHEN VETERANS COME IN, IF THEY ARE QUALIFIED, THEY'LL GO TO THOSE VETERAN PROGRAMS FIRST.
BUT IF THEY DON'T QUALIFY OR IF THEIR NEED IS TOO HIGH FOR THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE, THEN THEY COULD COME TO US.
SO I CAN DEFINITELY GET YOU THE BREAKDOWN OF HOW MANY VETERANS WE SERVE IN ALL OUR PROGRAMS AND HOW MANY VETERANS WE SERVE, SPECIFIC TO RAPID REHOUSING, IF YOU'D LIKE THEM.
I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RAPID REHOUSING.
ON HOW MANY, BECAUSE THESE ARE PEOPLE WE SHOULD BE TAKING CARE OF AS MUCH AS EVERYBODY ELSE, SO FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WERE NONE OR IF IT'S A REASONABLE AMOUNT THAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT.
AND I CAN TELL YOU ANECDOTALLY, OUR SSVF CONTRACTS, WE ARE REQUIRED TO SERVE 200 CATHOLIC CHARITIES ALONE, SERVES OVER 225 TO TWO 50 A YEAR.
I THINK THAT THERE IS UNIQUE, UNIQUE PEOPLE.
UNIQUE INDIVIDUALS, UNIQUE VETERANS.
UM, AND NATIONS FINEST IS DOING GREAT WORK.
UM, US VETS IS DOING GREAT WORK.
SO I DON'T, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE VETERAN SERVICES ARE GOING THERE, BUT I CAN ABSOLUTELY TELL YOU WHO IS NOT BEING SERVED BY A VETERAN PROGRAM THAT IS BEING SERVED BY RAPID REHOUSING.
WELL, WE'RE ON STATISTICS OF MY, MY LAST QUESTION WAS,
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BEFORE WE WERE TALKING, WE WERE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE USE OF THE TERM EXIT, RIGHT.YOU USED THE TERM A SUCCESSFUL EXIT, MEANING THAT THERE'S NO LONGER THAT THEY'RE STAYING IN THEIR HOUSING INDEPENDENTLY OF YOUR SERVICES.
DO YOU HAVE NUMBERS ON THE SUCCESS RATE OF, OF HOW OFTEN THAT SUCCESSFUL EXIT IS ATTAINED? YES.
SO FOR THE PROGRAMS WE CURRENTLY OFFER, WE HAVE A 93%.
THAT'S THE 93 YOU SAID BEFORE.
UM, MANY QUESTIONS ANSWERED ALREADY.
THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR THAT.
SO IN TERMS OF, YOU, YOU'VE TOUCHED ON THIS SOMEWHAT ON WHO THE PROGRAM SERVES OR WHO IT CAN SERVE.
AND WHAT I HEARD WAS PRIORITIZE SEDONA RESIDENTS.
PRIORITIZE DOESN'T MEAN EXCLUSIVE UNLESS EXCLUSIVE IS WHAT YOU MEAN.
AND SO I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT CAME UP DURING THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK, UM, UH, INITIATIVE AND, AND UH, LEADING UP TO THE REFERENDUM WAS, WELL, WHO, WHO CAN SHOW UP AND BY LAW HAVE TO BE ADMITTED EVEN IF IN THEORY THAT'S NOT SOMEBODY THAT YOU WANTED TO OR THAT DOESN'T HAVE A NEXUS HERE.
SO I BELIEVE ONE OF THE EXAMPLES WAS THAT A DISABLED PERSON COULD SHOW UP FROM PENNSYLVANIA FOR SAFE PLACE TO PARK AND BE AND, AND BE ENTITLED TO BE ADMITTED, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE A NEXUS TO HEAR.
SO IN THE CASE OF THIS PROGRAM, IS THAT STILL THE SAME KIND OF RULE? OR CAN WE ABSOLUTELY UNEQUIVOCALLY SAY, YOU MUST HAVE A NEXUS TO SEDONA.
WE CAN DECIDE HOW LONG THAT IS.
IF WE WANT THAT TO BE SIX MONTHS, A YEAR, WHATEVER.
HOW HARD AND FAST IS THAT? HOW MUCH CONTROL DO WE REALLY HAVE VERSUS, OH, WELL, THERE'S 3, 4, 5, 6 EXCEPTIONS, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE ARE CREATING A MAGNET EFFECT.
WE CAN ABSOLUTELY REQUIRE A NEXUS TO SEDONA FOR ANY TIME PERIOD, THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS A YEAR.
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? QUESTION IS, CAN WE ABSOLUTELY REQUIRE A NEXUS TO SEDONA AND PICK THE TIMEFRAME FOR WHICH THAT NEXUS QUA QUALIFICATION EXISTS SO THAT WE ARE NOT CREATING A MAGNET EFFECT? SO WE'D HAVE, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ALL OF THE, UM, A DO PROGRAM POLICY AND THE REQUIREMENTS TO, TO ANSWER THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UM, CAMMY, YOU WERE ASKED BY COUNCILOR FURMAN ABOUT THE MAGNET EFFECT.
HE DIDN'T CALL IT THAT, BUT I WILL.
SO MY QUE, WHEN HE ASKED THAT QUESTION, YOU SAID, UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU MEASURE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS A MAGNET EFFECT.
I COULD SAY TO THE CONTRARY, THEN THAT MEANS YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THERE ISN'T A MAGNET EFFECT.
THAT THAT'S EQUALLY TRUE ON THAT ASSUMPTION YOU'RE MAKING.
I I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT THE POINT IN TIME DATA.
I THINK THAT THAT'S A STRUGGLE FOR THE DATA IS NOT BEING COLLECTED IN SEDONA MM-HMM
FOR A BASE FOUNDATION THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT WE COULD COMPARE IT TO AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
I THOUGHT WE HAVE DONE POINT IN TIME THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
WE, WE ACTUALLY, WE DID, WE DID POINT IN TIME COUNT IN JANUARY, UM, AND THE NUMBERS THERE 40, THERE WERE 40 HOMELESS COUNTED.
SO TYPICALLY POINT IN TIME COUNTS ARE SKEWED LOW.
AS A MATTER OF COURSE, RIGHT? EXCUSE ME.
WERE THOSE 40 INDIVIDUALS OR 40 FAMILIES? THEY WERE 40 IN 40 SEPARATE HOUSEHOLD INDIVIDUALS.
YOU CAN BE A HOUSEHOLD OF ONE.
THEY WERE 40 SEPARATE, BUT IF THEY WERE A HOUSEHOLD OF THREE, THEY COUNTED IN THE 40, THEY WOULD, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WERE 40 INDIVIDUAL.
AND THAT WAS SEDONA SPECIFIC ON YOUR POINT IN TIME.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS ON PAGE FIVE OF THE PRESENTATION DECK.
AND THERE'S, UH, 1, 2, 3, 4, IT'S THE FOURTH BULLET DOWN OF THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS MONEY COULD BE SPENT ON, IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? MAYBE BEING IN SEDONA OR THE VERDE VALLEY IS NOT WHERE YOU NEED TO BE AND MAYBE YOU NEED TO MOVE BACK TO PENNSYLVANIA.
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MOVE YOU OUT OF THE AREA AS AN OPTION? SO IN SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, WE WOULD CONFIRM THAT WHERE THEY ARE GOING, THEY HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO BE AND YES.AND THEN ON PAGE FOUR, SO THIS IS THE BACKGROUND ON CATHOLIC CHARITIES COMMUNITY SERVICES.
THAT IS THE LEGAL COMPANY NAME OF YOUR 5 0 1 C3 CAMMIE.
'CAUSE I'M HEARING, I SEE THAT.
AND THEN I'M ALSO HEARING CATHOLIC CHARITIES OF CENTRAL AND NORTHERN ARIZONA.
SO ARE THEY ONE AND THE SAME AS ONE OF DBA OF THE OTHER OR CATHOLIC CHARITIES COMMUNITY SERVICES OF CENTRAL AND NORTHERN ARIZONA.
AND AT THIS TIME, THERE ARE NO CURRENT INVESTIGATIONS LAWSUITS, UH, PENDING AGAINST YOUR ORGANIZATION RELATIVE TO, UH, ANY MISUSE OF FUNDS, ANY ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH, I MEAN, I'VE HEARD CLAIMS OF AIDING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR CURRENT LEGAL STATUS IN THAT REGARD? SO OUR IMMIGRATION, I'LL ANSWER THAT IN TWO PARTS.
SO IMMIGRATION IS A LONGING, LONG AND COMPLEX PROCESS.
BORDER SECURITY AND ENFORCEMENT OF LAW ARE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS.
WHILE THERE ARE SOME CATHOLIC CHARITIES AGENCIES IN THE US THAT DO WORK IN SOME CAPACITY AT THE BORDER, WE ARE NOT ONE OF THOSE AGENCIES.
AND THEN THE LAST AREA OF QUESTIONING IS FOR THE CHIEF.
SORRY, THERE WAS ANOTHER POINT, COUNSEL.
YOU ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT SORT OF THE LEGAL STATUS AND LEGAL YEAH, TWO PARTS.
I'M PAYING ATTENTION HERE, SO SORRY, THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT.
SO WE ARE HAPPY TO PROVIDE OUR AUDITS.
WE ARE HAPPY TO CONNECT YOU TO OUR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATION THAT HANDLES ALL OF THOSE.
WE CAN PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO, TO FURTHER THAT, BUT NO.
UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK ABOUT IS THE CITY'S CAMPING ORDINANCE AND HOW THAT'S ENFORCED.
AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET, UH, A, A BRIEFING A COUPLE OF TIMES A DAY OF ACTIVITY.
AND SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR US TO SEE SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CONTACTED SOMEBODY CAMPING AT SUNSET PARK, CULTURAL PARK, POSSE GROUNDS, WHEREVER, AND THEY'VE MOVED ON.
WHAT IS THE POLICY OF SEDONA PD AS RELATES TO OUR CAMPING POLICY? LIKE, YOU, YOU CAN'T DO IT.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE ENFORCEMENT THAT IS ALLOWABLE TO PD AT THIS TIME? UH, GOOD EVENING.
SO I'LL ALSO LEAN ON KURT BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE CASE LAW.
SO WE DO HAVE A CITY ORDINANCE, AND AS MANY OF YOU PROBABLY ARE AWARE, WE DIDN'T ENFORCE IT, UM, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE, THE THINGS THAT HAVE COME DOWN FROM CASE LAW.
SO THERE WAS ANOTHER RULING THAT HAPPENED THAT WE CAN ENFORCE IT.
WHERE WE GET INTO SOME AREAS THAT ARE REALLY TOUGH IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO OFFER SOMEBODY, UM, FOR SHELTER IN THIS AREA.
SO WE CAN ENFORCE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE ON, UH, PUBLIC PROPERTY TO TRY AND RELOCATE THEM SO THAT THEY'RE NOT SLEEPING IN CERTAIN AREAS.
PRIVATE IS VERY DIFFERENT, AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN ENFORCEABLE BY THE PRIVATE OWNERS TO, UM, RELOCATE THEM.
BUT MOST OF THE TIME FOR US, WE, WE ARE TRYING TO GET THEM TO MOVE ALONG AND NOT TRESPASS ON MOST PROPERTIES.
KURT, DID YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT WHAT RECENTLY CAME DOWN FOR THE UPDATE? 'CAUSE I THINK YOU LEGISLATIVELY SURE, SURE.
AND SO I WOULD JUST ADD TO WHAT THE CHIEF SAID THAT THE, IT WAS ALWAYS ENFORCED ON, ON, ON PUBLIC PROPERTY AGAINST THOSE WHO WERE NOT DESTITUTE HOMELESS.
SO WE GET A LOT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, MOTOR HOMES AND, AND RVS AND CAMPER VANS THAT COME IN.
AND EVEN ON CITY PROPERTY, EVEN DURING THE TIME PERIOD WHEN THE NINTH CIRCUIT SAID WE COULDN'T ENFORCE IT, THAT WAS ONLY AGAINST DESTITUTE HOMELESS PEOPLE.
UM, NOT AGAINST ANYONE WHO WASN'T EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, THAT WAS CHOOSING TO LIVE, UH, UM, A NOMADIC LIFESTYLE.
SO THAT WAS STILL ENFORCED THEN.
UH, BUT THE SUPREME COURT, UH, OVERTURNED THE NINTH CIRCUIT, UH, LAST SUMMER.
AND SO THE CITY'S ANTI CAPA ORDINANCE IS, IS, IS STILL IN EFFECT.
WE NEVER REPEALED IT EVEN DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, WE JUST STOPPED ENFORCING A SMALL PART OF IT.
UH, AND SO IT'S FULLY ENFORCEABLE NOW.
GENERALLY, I BELIEVE PD AS CHIEF WAS GETTING TO WILL GIVE PEOPLE WARNINGS, UM, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE BEEN CONTACTED AND, AND, UH, TELL THEM THE PLACES WHERE THEY CAN
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CAMP LEGALLY OUT ON THE NATIONAL FOREST, UH, PROVIDE OTHER RESOURCES TO THEM.UH, OTHER PLACES THEY, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO FOR ASSISTANCE, UH, BUT IF THERE'S A REPETITIVE, UH, OFFENDER THAN THEY DO GET CITED AND THEY CAN BE PROSECUTED.
UH, IT BEGINS AS CIVIL AND THEN IT CAN, UH, TURN INTO, IT CAN BE, IT CAN BE EITHER, UH, IT USUALLY BEGINS WITH A FINE AND THEN IT CAN TURN INTO A CRIMINAL CITATION.
SO IT CAN BE A CLASS ONE MISDEMEANOR.
HAVE WE DONE THAT? AND HOW MANY CONTACTS DOES IT TAKE BEFORE IT BECOMES CRIMINAL? UH, SO USUALLY YOU'LL JUST GET A WARNING AND THEN A, A CITATION WITH A FINE, AND THEN IT CAN, IF THERE'S A THIRD OR MORE, THEN IT WOULD BE A, A CRIMINAL WITH, UM, A CRIMINAL WHEN FACING EITHER JAIL TIME OR PROBATION.
IN MY ALMOST FIVE YEARS HERE, WE HAVEN'T HAD TO DO ANY JAIL OR PROBATION.
UM, GENERALLY A WARNING IS ALMOST ALWAYS SUFFICIENT.
AND THEN A FINE, IF THAT'S NOT ENOUGH, GETS PEOPLE TO OBEY THE, OBEY THE LAW.
HOW DO WE END UP HAVING LONG-TERM HOMELESS IN THE COMMUNITY THEN? LIKE, HOW ARE THEY ABLE TO STAY, UM, YOU KNOW, OUT OF SIGHT AND THEREFORE WERE NOT ABLE TO USE PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE AS YOU'VE DESCRIBED? CORRECT.
SO THEY'RE NOT, UH, STAYING, UH, CITY PARKS OR THEY'RE NOT STAYING SOMEPLACE VISIBLE, UH, WHERE ANYONE'S, UH, MAKING A COMPLAINT OR THE POLICE ARE SEEN WHERE THEY'RE AT.
MAYBE MORE ON THAT LATER, BUT THANK YOU.
UM, MAYOR, I THINK THAT TAKES CARE OF ME.
SO, SO AGAIN, ALMOST ALL OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED.
ALL, UM, I JUST SORT OF WANTED TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY GOING BACK TO, UM, THE HUGE TAG ON SESSION THAT WE HAD.
AND IF, IF THE LEASES ARE IN THE NAME OF THE INDIVIDUAL WITH WHOEVER THE LANDLORD MAY BE, AND THE, UM, INDIVIDUAL DETERMINES THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING PRETTY WELL JUST BY GETTING WHATEVER FUNDING THEY'RE GETTING FROM YOU FOR SIX TO NINE MONTHS.
UM, AND SO THEY'RE NOT ACTIVELY SEEKING WORK OR ACTIVELY WORKING, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY HAVE BEEN AT THE TIME OF ELIGIBILITY, UM, THEY'VE DECIDED NOT TO CONTINUE DOING THAT.
I'M ASSUMING THAT, UM, YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT THEY WOULD BE EVICTED BECAUSE THEY'RE FOR NONPAYMENT AND THAT YOU WOULD THEN SAY, OKAY, YOU'RE OUT OF THE PROGRAM BECAUSE I'M NOT JUST GIVING YOU X NUMBER OF DOLLARS A MONTH IN ORDER TO DO THIS.
HOWEVER, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, HAS ANYONE EVER COME TO YOU AND SAID, HEY, I THINK THE RENT'S GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT I'M GETTING PAID PER HOUR, AND COULD YOU UP HOW MUCH YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE ME? SO ONE CLARIFICATION IS WE DON'T GIVE ANY FUNDS TO THE CLIENTS.
WE PAY THE LANDLORD DIRECTLY FOR THE PORTION OF RENT THAT THEY WOULD GET.
UM, AND SO YES, YOU ARE CORRECT.
IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO PAY THEIR RENT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE EVICTED.
UM, IF THEY CAME TO US AHEAD OF TIME AND MAYBE THEY HAD A LIFE ALTERING SITUATION WHERE THEY LOST THEIR INCOME OR SOMETHING HAPPENED, WE WOULD CERTAINLY ADVOCATE WITH THAT LANDLORD TO SEE IS THERE ANY OPTION TO LET THEM OUT OF A LEASE WITHOUT A PENALTY TO MOVE SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY COULD AFFORD? OR IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD DO, WE WOULD TRY TO ADVOCATE, WE WOULD TRY TO NAVIGATE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.
INITIALLY THOUGH, WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT SOMEBODY IN A UNIT THAT THEY CAN'T SUSTAIN IDEALLY.
I MEAN, SOMETHING COULD HAPPEN.
THEY COULD HAVE SOMETHING DRASTICALLY CHANGED IN THEIR LIFE WHERE THEY COULDN'T AFFORD THE RENT.
AND WE HAVE SEEN LANDLORDS BE PRETTY OPEN WITH THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO LET THE FOLKS OUT OF THE LEASE.
THEY CAN MOVE SOMEBODY ELSE IN THAT CAN PAY THAT.
AND THEN WE WOULD TRY TO HELP THE PERSON FIND SOMETHING THEY COULD AFFORD.
SO I FREQUENTLY SEE ON, ON VARIOUS SOCIAL MEDIA SITES, UM, REFERENCES TO THE FACT THAT THE LANDLORD HAS RAISED THE RENT OR IS ABOUT TO RAISE THE RENT AND IT'S NOW UNAFFORDABLE.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY AGREEMENT WITH THE LANDLORDS AROUND RENT INCREASES AND HOW THAT PLAYS WITH THIS KIND OF A PROGRAM? SO WE WORK REALLY HARD AND DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO GET A 12 MONTH LEASE FOR THAT CLIENT IN THEIR NAME BECAUSE THEN THE LANDLORD CAN'T INCREASE THEIR RENT IF IT'S NOT A LEASE RENEWAL TIME.
BUT THEY CAN INCREASE IT AT LEASE RENEWAL.
AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS TO THESE INDIVIDUALS, HOW IS THAT HANDLED IF THEY'RE INSIDE OF YOUR NETWORK OF SERVICES, IF THEY CAN NO LONGER AFFORD THAT? I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ANYBODY THAT IS STILL
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RECEIVING FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE AT THAT 12 MONTH MARK.WELL, BUT CAN THEY COME BACK IN, IS WHAT I'M SAYING? SO YOU, YOU'VE GIVEN THEM SAY, SIX MONTHS OF ASSISTANCE, THEY'VE GOTTEN A JOB, BUT NOW THE RENT AT THE LEASE RENEWAL TIME HAS GONE UP MORE THAN WHAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE EARNED AS AN INCREASE, WHICH PUTS THEM AGAIN, AT RISK OF BEING EVICTED.
AND I REALIZE THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE WHEN THEY'RE ALREADY HOMELESS, BUT AS A MONTH OR TWO AWAY FROM THEM ACTUALLY THEN BECOMING HOMELESS.
AND SO CAN THEY REENTER INTO THE SYSTEM OR IS IT SORT OF LIKE, WE HELP YOU ONCE AND NOW YOU'RE SORT OF ON YOUR OWN IF YOU GET PUT INTO THIS COMPROMISING POSITION? AT THAT POINT WE WOULD REFER TO EVICTION PREVENTION OR HOMELESS PREVENTION FUNDS.
UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY'RE OPEN WITH US, WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY.
IF IT'S SIX TO 12 MONTHS LATER AND WE'RE NOT STILL PAY, STILL PAYING ON THEM, BUT OFTENTIMES FOLKS WILL COME BACK TO US SIMPLY BECAUSE WE ARE A KNOWN RESOURCE FOR THEM.
WE CAN HELP THEM NAVIGATE THOSE EVICTION PREVENTION FUNDS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, COCONINO COUNTY HAS, THERE'S OTHER DES PARTNERS HAVE THOSE.
SO AT THAT POINT, THAT WOULD BE AN EVICTION PREVENTION NEED.
AND THESE FUNDS DON'T OFFER EVICTION PREVENTION.
WELL, THE VAST MAJORITY OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED.
AND I WANNA GO BACK TO THE CRITERIA FOR ENTRY.
AND I NEED KURT SOME SOMETHING DEFINITIVE FROM YOU AS TO WHAT RULES APPLY.
WHETHER THE SAME RULES, BECAUSE THEY'RE FEDERAL FUNDS RECEIVED BY A O AS THEY WERE BEFORE, WHETHER THE NEXUS TO SEDONA.
AND I REALLY WANT THAT TO BE VERY, VERY SPECIFIC AND VERY CLEAR.
NOT MUSHY, BUT REALLY, REALLY CLEAR AS TO WHAT THAT NEXUS IS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE HOUSING.
I KNOW I'M TALKING, I'M GIVING A COMMENT, BUT TO ANYBODY WHO, WHO WANTS IT IN VERDE VALLEY, RIGHT? IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL.
SO IF WE ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO HAVE ANYBODY WHO IS A PROTECTED CLASS, DISABLED OR WHATEVER, SENIORS BECAUSE OF THE, THEY'RE OVER 65, ANY AND THEY HAVE NO NEXUS TO SEDONA, BUT THEY WANNA ENTER THE PROGRAM, I NEED TO KNOW THAT WE CAN PREVENT THAT.
YEAH, WE WILL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT.
SO IF COUNSEL MOVES US FORWARD, THE NEXT STEP IS TO GET ALL THE DOCUMENTS FROM ADA, INCLUDING, UM, THE EXACT PARAMETERS OF, OF THE PARTICIPANTS AND WHO'S ELIGIBLE.
SO THAT WILL BE EASILY, EASILY ANSWERED.
CAN I FOLLOW UP TO THAT? SURE.
SO, SO TONIGHT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA NEED A MOTION, IT WOULD BE NO, WAIT, NO, NO, NO.
I'M ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING JUST NO, NO, NO.
YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA NEED A MOTION ULTIMATELY.
SO, BUT, BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE THE FINAL, UH, APPROVAL OF THE PROGRAM BECAUSE THAT STUFF WILL STILL COME BACK TO US.
THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NEXUS AND EVERYTHING.
WHAT WE WOULD ONLY BE SAYING PURSUE THIS IN TERMS OF GETTING, MAKING SURE THE MONEY FROM A O COULD BE REDIRECTED.
IS THAT, DO I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE ACTING ON.
COUNSELOR KINSELLA, THE, THE OBJECT OF TONIGHT'S MEETING IS TO PROVE AN APPLICATION TO A O.
UM, FOR THIS PROGRAM, UH, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE THEN TO DRAFT THE CONTRACT WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES AND THE, UH, GRANT RECIPIENT AGREEMENT WITH A O, UM, AND GET ALL THOSE DETAILS, WHICH WOULD THEN COME BACK.
SO THERE'LL BE ONE, AT LEAST ONE ADDITIONAL APPROVAL NEEDED IF THIS, IT WAS GOING TO GO INTO EFFECT.
THIS IS NOT CREATING A PROGRAM TONIGHT.
SO ON THAT SAME THING, UH, SAME POINT.
SO IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE PEOPLE HERE WITHOUT A NEXUS, THIS PROGRAM MAY NOT MOVE FORWARD.
NOW THAT YOU HEAR THAT, THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK MOST OF US WANT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A, A, A FOUR OR MORE THAT WANT THAT SAME NEXUS TO BE TIGHTENED AND TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR, IF WE, IF IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, DOES IT DIE? I MEAN, THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL.
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WILL BRING IT BACK.UM, AND COUNSEL WILL GET TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES AND PRO PROCEED WITH RECEIVING AND EXPENDING THE GRANT FUNDS FROM ADA OR, OR NOT.
AND MAYOR STAFF WILL, UM, STAFF WILL BRING ALL OF THIS DIRECTION BACK IN OUR CONVERSATION WITH ADA TO, TO FRAME, YOU KNOW, TO LAY OUT THE SCOPE OF WORK, SO TO SPEAK, OF WHAT WE WANNA DO WITH THE PROGRAM.
AND IF THEY TELL US, WE WON'T ACCEPT THAT BECAUSE THE COUNCIL WANTS TO NARROW OF ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA, WHATEVER, WE WILL GET THAT ANSWER FROM THEM.
BUT IF THEY SAY THAT'S GREAT, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH BRINGING THE CONTRACT BACK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
AND THE DAY YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS A OAO.
SO MY QUESTION GOES TO CAMMIE WITH THE, UH, OTHER CONTRACTS THAT YOU HAVE, DO THEY HAVE THAT AS A PART OF IT? I WAS GONNA ASK.
THANKS A LOT,
I, WE DO HAVE SOME PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE CONTRACTS WITH A DO THAT ARE PROBABLY 18, 19 YEARS OLD THAT DESIGNATE A SET NUMBER OF THOSE UNITS HAVE TO REMAIN IN VERDE VALLEY.
THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO AND WE'VE HONORED THAT THIS WHOLE TIME.
UM, SO I THINK THAT IT JUST DEPENDS ON CURRENTLY WHERE THEY'RE AT AND WHAT THEY CAN DO.
NOW I HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO MY FOLLOW UP AND I HAVE A FOLLOW UP
UM, SO IF, IF THIS PROGRAM GOES AS IT'S BEING ENVISIONED, AND IF WE GET TO, YOU KNOW, A POINT OF MOVING FORWARD, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE COULD HAVE SOMEBODY WHO WAS NEXUS TO SEDONA.
SO THEY'VE BEEN HERE AND THEY'RE ON OUR STREETS, BUT WE'RE NOW HOUSING THEM EITHER IN SEDONA OR SOMEWHERE ELSE IN VERDE VALLEY.
SO WE COULD ACTUALLY BE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF HOMELESS IN SEDONA WITH A PROGRAM LIKE THIS.
DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? YEP.
THE, I MEAN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE AN IDENTIFICATION TO SEDONA AS HOMELESS, 'CAUSE ONCE THEY'RE HOUSED, THEY'RE NO LONGER HOMELESS.
BUT I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR MY QUESTION.
SO, SO MINE IS, JUST TO BE CLEAR AGAIN, WHERE THEY'RE HOUSED IS LESS IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF HOUSING THAT WE HAVE.
SO I'M COMPLETELY OPEN TO HOUSING SOMEBODY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS, BUT I'M NOT COMPLETELY O I'M NOT OPEN AT ALL TO HOUSING PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO NEXUS TO SEDONA AT ALL, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THAT HOUSING WAS IN SEDONA OR ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE VERDE VALLEY.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? UNDERSTOOD.
SO THE CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE, THAT OLD ONE IS THAT THEY RESIDE AND THEY LIVE THERE, BUT THERE WAS NO QUALIFICATION TO WHERE THEY WERE WHEN WE DID THEIR INTAKE AND MOVED THEM IN.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING AND I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY IT.
ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING CALL, BUT SO YOU, AND YOU WANNA TAKE INTO THAT? THEY CAN.
AND THEN RESIDE IN VERDE VALLEY FOR THOSE, BUT THE REFERRALS, YOU GUYS WANT TO COME DIRECTLY WITH THE NEXUS FROM SEDONA.
AND THEN WE'LL CUT THIS OFF 'CAUSE I WANT TO GO.
ASSUMING IT'S LEGAL, IS THAT A RESTRICTION THAT CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS GONNA ACCEPT? IS THAT A TERM, IF WE PUT THAT IN THE CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOTTA BE THIS NEXUS TO SEDONA, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HELP? THAT INFORMATION WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU.
SO IN FLAGSTAFF OR PRESCOTT WHERE YOU OPERATE ALSO, DO THEY HAVE, HOW DOES IT WORK THERE? I MEAN, THERE'S A PRIME EXAMPLE.
IF THEY HAVE SOMEBODY WITH A NEXUS TO PRESCOTT OR A NEXUS TO FLAGSTAFF AND THEY'RE HOUSED IN PRESCOTT VALLEY OR WILLIAMS, ARE THERE ANY COMPLICATIONS OF WELL, I DON'T HAVE A NEXUS TO THOSE CITIES, SO THAT'S A PROBLEM.
SO WHEN WE DO A COORDINATED ENTRY INTAKE, IT IS NOTED WHERE THE COUNTY WAS OR THE LOCATION THAT THAT INTAKE HAPPENED.
AND THERE IS ALSO A CATEGORY THAT THE CLIENT CAN DESIGNATE IF THEY NEEDED TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEBODY DID A COORDINATED ENTRY INTAKE HERE AND SAID THEY WANTED TO MOVE TO MOJAVE BECAUSE THEY CAN AFFORD IT, THEY CAN PUT THAT INTO THE COORDINATED ENTRY INTAKE, BUT IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE.
I'M SURE PRESCOTT WANTS TO TAKE CARE OF PRESCOTT PEOPLE SO THEY, THEY WANT THE NEXUS FROM PRESCOTT HOMELESS, BUT THERE'S NO HOUSES
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IN, IN PRESCOTT.BUT THERE'S ONE IN CHINO VALLEY OR THERE'S ONE IN PRESCOTT VALLEY, BUT THERE'S STILL THE NEXUS IS PRESCOTT.
YES, I, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
I HAVEN'T HAD ANY OTHER CONTRACT THAT'S MANDATED.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE A NEXUS FROM WHERE THEY DO THE INTAKE TO WHERE THEY QUALIFY FOR SERVICES.
THE ONLY THING I'VE SEEN IS THE CHOICE OF THIS IS WHERE WE FOUND THE INDIVIDUAL AND THIS IS WHERE THEY WOULD CHOOSE TO GO.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY INDICATION OF FAMILIES OR INDIVIDUAL WORKERS WHO MAY HAVE BEEN DISPLACED BECAUSE OF RENTALS? I DO NOT.
FOR INTAKE, ARE ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO COME IN TO THE, THE PROGRAM OR TO BE EVALUATED FOR ACCESS TO THE PROGRAM, DOES THAT COME IN THROUGH, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? IS THAT HOW YOU'RE ENGAGING WITH, OR DO YOU HAVE, UH, CASEWORKERS WHO MAY BE OUT THERE? OR IF SOMEONE COMES TO YOU AND SAYS, I'M HOMELESS, I HEAR YOU HAVE A PROGRAM HERE.
I LIVE IN SEDONA FOR FIVE YEARS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M HOMELESS AND THEY'LL COME TO YOU.
HOW DO THEY GET INTAKED? SO COORDINATED ENTRY CAN HAPPEN THROUGH ANY HOUSING PROVIDER AND WE ALSO HAVE OUTREACH.
WE HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO THE LIBRARIES ALREADY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEBODY DID AN INTAKE WITH ANOTHER AGENCY FOR COORDINATED ENTRY, THEY GO INTO THAT BY NAME LIST, WHICH IS THEN THE LIST THAT THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS MEET ON EVERY TWO WEEKS TO TALK ABOUT THIS IS WHO'S EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THEN THEY TAKE THE REFERRALS FROM THERE.
SO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO COME DIRECTLY TO CATHOLIC CHARITIES TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THESE FUNDS.
SO SOMETHING I WANNA GO BACK TO, YOU SAID PROBABLY ABOUT 45 MINUTES AGO WAS YOU USE AND REUSE LANDLORDS, SO YOU MUST BE DOING A PRETTY DARN GOOD JOB IF THOSE LANDLORDS WANT TO CONTINUE IN THE SYSTEM, RIGHT? HOW MANY OF THOSE LANDLORDS DO CONTINUE AND HOW MANY LEAVE BALLPARK? YEAH, I MEAN THAT WOULD JUST BE AN ESTIMATION.
I, I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA TONIGHT, BUT WE HAVE SEVERAL LANDLORDS THAT I'VE WORKED WITH THE ENTIRE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE AND WE DO HAVE SOME THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THE LARGER, I CAN THINK OF FIVE OR SIX LARGE THAT WE HAVE CONTINUED WORKING WITH.
AND I CAN THINK OF TWO OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT WE DO NOT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO CARDS.
I HAVE 10 CARDS, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT A HALF HOUR.
SO I'M GONNA ASK EACH PERSON TO THE PERSON ON DECK TO BE STANDING NEARBY.
WE, WE NEED TO KEEP THIS GOING.
WE, EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UH, WE'RE GONNA START WITH MARJORIE HARRIS, WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY SEAN SMITH.
START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
YES, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE SEDONA COMMITTEE CENTER, AND I AM A RESIDENT OF SEDONA AS WELL.
I'M VERY GRATEFUL TO YOU TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW.
I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT MY SENIORS AND IN THIS CASE SENIORS WHO ARE FACING HOMELESSNESS.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS TONIGHT THAT INDICATED A STEREOTYPE REALLY ABOUT WHO'S HOMELESS.
SENIORS ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN THAT CATEGORY.
I HAVE SENIORS WHO COME TO ME WHO NEVER EXPECTED TO BE HOMELESS, WHO SUDDENLY ARE ON SOCIAL SECURITY AND WE ALL KNOW HOW PRICES ARE GOING UP, WHO AND WHO FIND THAT THEY CAN NO LONGER LIVE ON THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY AND THEY CAN NO LONGER WORK.
LET ME TELL YOU A STORY ABOUT A SENIOR.
I HAD A LADY COME INTO MY OFFICE ONE DAY, NICE LOOKING LADY IN HER SEVENTIES, MAYBE EARLY EIGHTIES.
AND SHE SAT DOWN AND I THOUGHT, OKAY, WHAT SERVICES DOES SHE WANT FROM ME? AND WHAT SHE REALLY WAS SAYING IS, I'M HOMELESS.
I HAVE LIVED IN SEDONA ALL, MOST OF MY LIFE.
I HAVE NO FAMILY AND THE ONLY WORK I CAN FIND NOW IS HOUSEKEEPING.
AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT THAT'S A MINIMUM WAGE JOB.
AND ALL THE PRICES HAVE GONE UP.
SO I FOUND A JOB WHERE I WOULD LIVE IN THE HOUSE, THEY GAVE ME A BEDROOM, AND AFTER I GOT OFF MY OTHER WORK, I WOULD COME HOME AND I CLEANED THAT HOUSE AND I WOULD PROVIDE AS A CAREGIVER FOR THAT WOMAN.
AND THAT SEEMED TO BE WORKING PRETTY WELL FOR ME.
AND I THOUGHT, WOW, TO DO THAT AT YOUR AGE AND YOUR FRAILTY THAT I COULD SEE.
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AND THEN SHE SAID, BUT YOU KNOW, THE LADIES' CHILDREN DECIDED THEY WANTED TO MOVE INTO THE HOUSE AND TAKE IT OVER.SO I LOST MY BEDROOM, I DO HAVE MY CAR, I CAN SLEEP IN MY CAR, THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING.
AND I THOUGHT, OH MY GOSH, NO.
'CAUSE IT WAS SUMMER, IT WAS A HUNDRED AND SOME ODD DEGREES AND THAT'S FRIGHTENING.
AND SHE SAID, REALLY WHAT I WANT IS A PLACE TO LIVE.
I'M NOT LOOKING FOR ANYBODY TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE CARE OF ME.
I JUST NEED HELP FINDING A PLACE TO LIVE.
UNFORTUNATELY, AT THAT TIME, I DIDN'T HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE.
I DIDN'T HAVE AN ORGAN, A PROGRAM LIKE YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT WHERE I COULD SAY, HEY, LET ME PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH THIS ORGANIZATION AND WE'LL SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO TO GET YOU INTO SOME PLACE TO LIVE, AT LEAST SHORT TERM.
GET YOU OUT OF THAT CAR, GET YOU OFF THE STREET, HELP YOU TO, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WANTS AGE WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT, AND THAT'S ALL SHE REALLY WANTED.
SO PLEASE DO SOMETHING TONIGHT FOR THESE SENIORS.
OKAY, SEAN, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY SANDRA, ARE YOU STILL HERE? OKAY, THANK YOU.
UH, SEAN SMITH, RESIDENT OF SEDONA.
EVERY CITY NEEDS CAPACITY TO HELP COMMUNITY MEMBERS EXPERIENCING HOUSING INSTABILITY OR LOSS RESOURCES ARE NEEDED TO ENROLL PEOPLE IN SERVICES AND TO MANAGE THEIR CHALLENGES.
WE SHOULDN'T ASK COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO GO ELSEWHERE FOR HELP.
CERTAINLY THERE ARE LESSONS TO BE LEARNED FROM FAILURE, BUT TO SAY, OOPS, OTHER STATES OR METRO METROPOLITAN AREAS ARE SEEING PROBLEMS WORSEN DESPITE SPENDING BILLIONS.
SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN OVERWHELMED IN PLACES.
CERTAINLY THERE ARE LESSONS TO BE LEARNED FROM FAILURE, BUT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE HUMANS ARE STILL EVOLVING THEIR RESPONSE TO HOUSING CRISIS THAT NO SERVICES SHOULD BE PROVIDED AND THAT NOTHING SHOULD BE ATTEMPTED IS TO ME A SPECIOUS ARGUMENT.
THAT ARGUMENT DOESN'T FACTOR IN A COUPLE OF KEY ISSUES.
ONE FACTOR IS SCALE OF THE PROBLEM.
LARGE CITIES FACE MUCH DIFFERENT CHALLENGES IN RURAL COMMUNITIES.
ANOTHER FACTOR IS SOCIETY IS NOT INSURED.
AMPLE SUPPLY OF HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
RESIDENTS IN OPPOSITION TO SOCIAL SERVICES HAVE REPEATEDLY SAID ON SOCIAL MEDIA REGARDING WORKERS EXPERIENCING INSTABILITY, HOUSING INSTABILITY, LET THEM COMMUTE.
THERE'S AMPLE HOUSING SUPPLY IN THE VERDE VALLEY.
THANK GOODNESS THERE IS HOUSING, SOCIAL SERVICES, UH, HOUSING THAT SOCIAL SERVICES CAN SEND PEOPLE TO.
LET'S NOT USE THE FAILURE OF SYSTEMS. HUMANS HAVE DEVISED AS AN EXCUSE TO DO NOTHING.
THOSE IN OPPOSITION TO ANY SOCIAL SERVICES IN SEDONA OFTEN CITE THE BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME ARGUMENT.
I INVITE OPPOSITION TO RENTAL ASSISTANCE TO HELP US UNDERSTAND THE SCALE OF THE INFLUX THEY EXPECT AND ITS EFFECTS WITH OBJECTIVE DATA.
WE SHOULD WORK TO MINIMIZE THE BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME EFFECT.
BUT EXPRESSING THAT AS AN OBJECTION DOES NOT JUSTIFY APPLICATION OF OUR DUTY TO HELP NO MATTER WHAT THE CAUSES OF HOUSING INSTABILITY.
NO MATTER THE PAST FAILURES, WE SHOULDN'T VIEW THOSE IN NEED AS MARAUDERS AT THE GATE.
GATES OF TRANQUILITY OBJECTION ALONE WITHOUT BEING A PART OF THE CONVERSATION ON SOLUTION LEADS ME TO CONCLUDE THE OPPOSITION STEMS FROM A FEAR OF THE POOR, THE FEAR OF THE BROAD AND TRODDEN THOSE WITH ADDICTION AND THOSE WITH POOR MENTAL HEALTH.
LET'S CONTINUE TO HE TO THE MANTRA, IT'S US AND THEM.
AND LET'S GO FORWARD WITH THE SERVICES PROPOSED.
OKAY, SANDRA WILL BE FOLLOWED BY UH, BILL NOTAN.
UM, I HAVE A BOOK FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.
THIS WAS WRITTEN BY MICHAEL BERGER.
HE, THEY BASICALLY, THIS IS THE BIBLE.
GIVE IT TO THE TO CLERK PLEASE.
HE IS A SELF-DESCRIBED, HE WAS HE ADVOCAT FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, OPEN DRUG USE AND ALL OF THAT.
AND SO HE WORKED IN OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.
HE, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND EACH ONE OF YOU READ THAT BOOK.
IT WILL REALLY HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THE HOMEWORK.
EITHER A LOT OF RESEARCH ON IT.
UM, I WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UM, UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE RESEARCH DOESN'T SHOW THAT YOU BUILD IT IN.
IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEN CALIFORNIA'S PROBLEM WOULD BE COMPLETELY SOLVED.
SAN FRANCISCO, I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HAS SEEN THE SCENES.
CHILDREN, THEY HAVE POOP PATROLS.
MY HUSBAND AND I LEFT CALIFORNIA BECAUSE OF THAT.
WE DON'T WANNA TURN SEDONA INTO CALIFORNIA.
SO THE OTHER ISSUE I WANT TO ADDRESS IS, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS TO SERVE 40 PEOPLE.
SO YOUR BUDGET, YOU UH, EXPENSES ARE CLOSE TO 50%.
SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HALF, ALMOST HALF THE MONEY IS GONNA GO TO FUND YOUR ORGANIZATION.
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HOW MUCH MONEY DOES YOUR UPPER MANAGEMENT MAKE? AND THE OTHER ISSUE I HAVE IS THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY SORT OF, UM, REPORTING IN THE WEBSITE OR THE IRS AND THAT SORT OF THING FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS.SO THE NEXT THING I WANT TO ANSWER IS, I DID A QUICK SEARCH HERE AND IT SAYS, IF A CITY RECEIVES FEDERAL FUNDING FOR A HOMELESS PROGRAM, IT MUST COMPLY WITH FEDERAL, FEDERAL LAWS, INCLUDING THE FAIR HOUSING ACT.
AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT AND SECTION 5 0 4 OF THE REHAB ACT, THESE LAWS PROHIBIT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST DISABLED INDIVIDUALS IN FEDERALLY FUNDED PROGRAMS. CAN THE CITY DENY SERVICES BASED ON RESIDENCY? IF THE PROGRAM IS FEDERALLY FUNDED, CITIES GENERALLY CANNOT IMPOSE STRICT RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS THAT EXCLUDE PEOPLE FROM OTHER AREAS.
HAD GUIDELINES DISCOURAGE RESIDENCY RESTRICTIONS AS FEDERAL FUNDS ARE MEANT TO SERVE ALL ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS, NOT JUST LOCAL RESIDENTS.
HOWEVER, SOME CITIES ATTEMPT TO PRIORITIZE LOCAL HOMELESSNESS INDIVIDUALS RATHER THAN OUTRIGHT DENY SERVICES.
WHAT ABOUT A DISABLED PERSON UNDER THE A DA AND SECTION 5 0 4? A CITY CANNOT DENY SERVICES SOLELY BECAUSE A HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL IS DISABLED.
IF THE CITY MAKES AN EXCEPTION FOR SOME NON-LOCAL HOMELESS PEOPLE, BUT DENIES A DISABLED PERSON THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED DISABILITY DISCRIMINATION, THE CITY MUST PROVIDE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR DISABLED INDIVIDUALS UNLESS DOING SO WOULD FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER THE PROGRAM POSSIBLE LEGAL CONSEQUENCES FOR THE CITY.
THE CITY DISABLED PERSON COULD FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THE US DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, OR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
IF FOUND IN VIOLATION OF FEDERAL ANTI-DISCRIMINATION LAWS, THE CITY COULD LOSE FEDERAL FUNDING AND FACE LEGAL PENALTIES.
WE'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION, UH, LATER AT THE END OF THE QUESTIONS THAT IF WE, THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED.
UH, AND THEN DALE CASEY WILL BE AFTER MR. NUNAN, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND MY NAME IS BILL NUN AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
I STOOD HERE A YEAR AGO AND ASKED YOU NOT TO OPEN A HOMELESS PARK IN SEDONA.
I EXPLAINED THE RESIDENTS DIDN'T WANT YOU STARTING A HOMELESS CRISIS HERE BY GIVING AN INCENTIVE FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE TO COME AND STAY IN SEDONA.
I TOLD YOU RESIDENTS WERE FURIOUS.
THEY WERE PLANNING SOMETHING SO DESTRUCTIVE AND CONTRARY TO THE REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF SAFETY, BUT YOU IGNORED THOSE WARNINGS.
SO WE COLLECTED OVER A THOUSAND SIGNATURES IN 24 DAYS TO STOP THE CITY'S DISASTROUS HOMELESS PLAN, AND THEN OVERWHELMINGLY VOTED IT DOWN IN NOVEMBER.
UH, DO DO YOU REALLY NEED ANY MORE EVIDENCE THAT THE PEOPLE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT DON'T WANT YOU SUBSIDIZING HOMELESSNESS? SEDONA.
YET HERE WE ARE AGAIN WITH THE CITY'S EVEN MORE DISASTROUS PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE TO PAY RENT FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE IN SEDONA, UH, BY REUSING THE SAME GRANT THAT WAS SO OVERWHELMINGLY REJECTED A FEW MONTHS AGO.
EXCEPT THIS PROGRAM, I THINK IN MANY RESPECTS IS WORSE BECAUSE THE CRITERIA, UH, FOR ADMISSION TO THE PARK ARE EVEN LOOSER OR THE ADMISSION TO THE, TO THE RENTAL PROGRAM OR EVEN LOOSER THAN THEY WERE FOR THE PARK.
UH, AND FURTHERMORE, I THINK IT IT WAS A GROSS MISCHARACTERIZATION OF INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED THIS SORT OF PROGRAM.
I DON'T THINK ANY, ANY, ANY OPPONENT OF PROP 43, UH, IN THE WILDEST NIGHTMARES COULD HAVE IMAGINED A PROGRAM LIKE THIS.
UH, THERE THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS, SOME THAT I MADE, THAT IF THERE WERE WORKERS WHO DID NEED RENTAL ASSISTANCE, THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE SOME RENTAL ASSISTANCE THERE.
BUT THIS IS, THIS IS NOTHING EVEN REMOTELY LIKE THAT TO PUT THIS IN THE PLAINTIFF'S POSSIBLE TERMS FOR YOU.
HOMELESS PEOPLE LIKE HANDOUTS, HANDOUTS FROM A CITY ATTRACT HOMELESS PEOPLE, HOMELESS PEOPLE BRING DRUGS AND CRIME TO A COMMUNITY AND DEGRADE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR EVERYBODY.
TOO MANY OF US CAME HERE FROM OTHER ONCE BEAUTIFUL PLACES THAT SUBSIDIZED HOMELESS PEOPLE WHO THEN WRECKED THOSE CITIES.
THAT DESTRUCTION WAS MADE POSSIBLE BY SHORTSIGHTED POLITICIANS WHO PRIORITIZED THE UNREASONABLE DEMANDS OF THE HOMELESS OVER THE RIGHTS OF THE REST OF US.
I HOPE NONE OF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW THAT EXAMPLE.
I ALSO REMIND YOU SEDONA ALREADY HAS A HOMELESS PLAN IN PLACE.
A CITY ORDINANCE PROHIBITS PEOPLE FROM ENGAGING IN HOMELESS ACTIVITIES HERE.
AND IF CITY IS CONCERNED ABOUT HOMELESSNESS, IT COULD VIGOROUSLY ENFORCE THAT LAW.
THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT ITSELF SAID LAST YEAR THAT NOT ENFORCING SUCH LAWS HAS BEEN A MAJOR DRIVER OF HOMELESSNESS SINCE IT, DON SHOULD HEED THAT WARNING INSTEAD OF IGNORING IT.
AND INCIDENTALLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT PROGRAM WORKS PRETTY WELL FROM, FROM QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS I'VE HEARD HERE TONIGHT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A LONG-TERM HOME HOMELESS PROGRAM, IN PART BECAUSE THAT ORDINANCE IS BEING ENFORCED.
SO AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A PROGRAM THAT WORKS, I DON'T SEE THE REASON, UH, TO, TO TRY SOMETHING AS DANGEROUS AND RISKY AS THE PROGRAM BEING PROPOSED HERE TONIGHT.
SO I URGE YOU TO VOTE AGAINST, UH, SUBMITTING THE SUBMITTED GRANT APPLICATION.
THAT GRANT IS NOT WORTH TEARING THIS TOWN APART ALL OVER AGAIN.
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YOU'LL FOR, FOR THE TRUST OF THE PEOPLE AND THE RESIDENTS IN TURN WILL EVER DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO CORRECT THAT SITUATION.THANK YOU DALE CASEY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JOETTA WINTER.
I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA 33 YEARS, SO, UH, I'M A NEWBIE.
UH, YOU KNOW, HOUSING HAS BEEN A SITUATION THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR AT LEAST 10 OR 15 YEARS, UH, HERE IN SEDONA.
UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF SHORT TERM RENTALS, UH, THE HOUSING EVEN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS JUST, UH, GONE CRAZY.
IT'S, THERE'S TOO MANY SHORT TERM RENTALS IN OUR SUBDIVISION.
IT'S A SMALL SUBDIVISION OF 40 LOTS.
UH, AS MY NEIGHBOR KNOWS, UH, I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT ANYTIME YOU ARE SUBJECT TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UH, LOOKING OVER YOUR SHOULDER, UH, THEY TAP YOU ON THE SHOULDER IF THEY SEE SOMETHING THEY DON'T LIKE AND THEY CAN MORE OR LESS HANDCUFF YOU AS TO WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO.
FOR EXAMPLE, UM, MY CONCERN IS WITH ANY OF THE RESIDENTS, I THINK IT WOULD BE WHO THE COUNCIL TO REQUIRE IN THE CONTRACT THAT ANY, UH, PERSON WHO IS IN THE PROGRAM CANNOT USE DRUG DRUGS OR ALCOHOL ON THE PREMISES, UH, AT LEAST.
AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE DROPPED OUT OF THE PROGRAM IF THEY ARE CAUGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE TO LIVE BY LAWS AND RULES.
THAT COULD BE ONE OF THE RULES REQUIRED.
NOW, THE PROBLEM IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE OF THE FUNDS MAY SAY YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
SO I'M NOT SURE I WOULD CONDONE WHAT, UH, WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW.
THE FACT THAT, UH, CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS GOING TO BE TAKING 50% OF THAT AMOUNT IS SEEMS TO BE EXTREME.
SO DO YOUR DUE, UH, DILIGENCE AND, UH, I HOPE YOU MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
DALE DUETTA WINTER WILL BE FOLLOWED BY STEVE EGNER.
HELLO, MY NAME'S JOTA WINTER AND I LIVE IN UPTOWN SEDONA.
AND I MOVED HERE FROM CALIFORNIA ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO WHERE THESE SAME HOMELESS POLICIES AND ORGANIZATIONS LIKE YOURS DESTROYED MY CITY AND EXPLODED THE HOMELESS POPULATION.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL.
ARE YOU LISTENING TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS? BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT YOU ARE NOT.
MANY OF US WORKED VERY HARD ON PROPOSITION 4 83 AND WERE SUCCESSFUL IN VOTING, VOTING DOWN THE HOMELESS CAMP AT THE CULTURAL PARK.
IT SEEMS THE CITY IS OBSESSED WITH ENCOURAGING A HOMELESS PROBLEM THAT YOU, YOU ARE NOW FINDING WAYS TO USE THE OVER $875,000 OF ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING FUNDS TO HOUSE THE HOMELESS.
IT'S A CITY REALLY COMFORTABLE WITH PARTNERING WITH A SCANDAL RIDDEN CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
APPARENTLY YOU HAVE ALSO BEEN ABLE TO PERSUADE SIX HOTELS TO HOUSE THE HOMELESS.
WHO ARE THESE HOTELS? I LIVE IN UPTOWN AND I'M SURROUNDED BY HOTELS.
THESE HOTELS NEED TO BE MADE PUBLIC.
IT APPEARS YOU'RE GIVING YOUR CONSTITUENTS THE MIDDLE FINGER.
DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT YOU'RE SO SMART THAT OUR COMMUNITY WON'T EXPERIENCE THE SAME DISASTROUS HOMELESS CRISIS THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE EXPERIENCED WHEN THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED THESE VERY SAME POLICIES? THE MORE YOU NORMALIZE AND SUBSIDIZE THE HOMELESS, YOU WILL OPEN THE DOOR TO GROWING A HOMELESS POPULATION.
PERHAPS YOU SHOULD NOT BE SO DISCONNECTED AT FOR ONCE.
LISTEN TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS WHO OVERWHELMINGLY TOLD YOU
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BY 64% IN NOVEMBER THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE CALIFORNIA.UH, STEVE CIGNA WILL BE FOLLOWED BY GIANNA MCLAUGHLIN.
I'M A LOCAL RESIDENT, 30 YEARS.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING TONIGHT.
I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT YOU'RE LISTENING TO THIS.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM AND I THINK YOU SHOULD SUPPORT IT.
I'D LIKE TO BRING UP SOME FACTS.
MR. NEWAN MADE A COMMENT WHEN HE SPOKE TO THIS LAST YEAR, HIS COMMENT, YOU CAN SEE IT ONLINE.
IT SAID, QUOTE, IF YOU BUILD THIS CAMP NEXT TO THE EVENT CENTER, IT WILL KILL THE EVENT CENTER.
LET'S BE HONEST, THEY KILLED 4 83 WAS ABOUT NOT, UH, HAVING THE OVERNIGHT PARKING, BUT REBUILDING THE EVENT CENTER.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY.
THIS IS THE REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY.
WE VOTED FOR YOU TO WORK IN OUR BEST INTEREST FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY.
OKAY? IT'S NOT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT TURN OUT HERE.
IT'S NOT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT GET ON A CHAIN MAIL AND SEND YOU LETTERS.
IT'S YOU LISTENING TO THE FACTS AND MAKING YOUR DECISION.
AND I TRUST YOU IN THAT, AND I THINK YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB.
I ALSO THINK THERE'S BEEN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THESE ARE HOMELESS PEOPLE.
WE'RE GONNA SPEND FOUR TO $5,000 TO GET SOMEBODY AN APARTMENT SOMEWHERE IN THE VERDE VALLEY.
BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE AND THEY CHARACTERIZE THESE PEOPLE AS SOMEHOW BEING LESS THAN HUMAN.
AND TO YOUR COMMENT, I HOPE SOMEBODY COMES FROM, UH, NEW JERSEY OR MINNEAPOLIS AND THEY PUT THEIR CHILD IN A SCHOOL AND THEY GET ONE OF THE MANY JOBS THAT ARE OPENING HERE.
AND I HOPE THEY SETTLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND IF WE CAN HELP THEM GET AN APARTMENT SOMEPLACE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
SO I SUPPORT THIS PROGRAM AND I TRUST YOU TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
DANNA WILL BE FOLLOWED BY UH, UH, LYMAN BROTHERS.
GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS DANNA MCLAUGHLIN AND I SERVE AS THE CEO OF HOUSING SOLUTIONS OF NORTHERN ARIZONA.
WE'RE A NONPROFIT HOUSING ORGANIZATION THAT SERVES COCONINO AND YAVAPAI COUNTIES.
AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ENCOURAGE THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL TO ACCEPT THE FUNDING SUPPORT THROUGH THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING FOR THE PURPOSE OF CREATING A RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM TO BENEFIT HOUSEHOLDS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WHO ARE CURRENTLY LIVING IN OR WORKING IN THE SEDONA AREA.
A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF SITTING THROUGH A PRESENTATION THAT YOU ALL HEARD ABOUT THE NEED FOR INTERVENTIONS TO SERVE HOUSEHOLDS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS FOR THOSE WHO ARE SUFFERING FROM HOMELESSNESS IN SEDONA AREA.
YOU HEARD FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU HEARD FROM THE FOREST SERVICE, YOU HEARD FROM SOCIAL SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR INTERVENTIONS AND THAT LOCAL HOUSEHOLDS NEEDS MEANINGFUL AND SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN PROVEN STRATEGIES TO IMPACT HOUSEHOLDS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN A POSITIVE WAY.
THE CITY'S CONSULTANT IDENTIFIED RAPID REHOUSING AS AN INTERVENTION STRATEGY TO BE USED FOR TRANSITIONAL AND PERIODIC HOUSEHOLDS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
THE AMAZING THING ABOUT THIS DECISION IS THAT FUNDING FOR THE PROGRAM WILL COME FROM THE STATE COSTING THE SEDONA TAXPAYERS NOTHING.
I WILL TELL YOU AS A PROVIDER OF HOUSING, THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST BARRIERS WE SEE FOR HOUSEHOLDS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS MOVING INTO UNITS THAT WE OWN ARE THOSE UPFRONT COSTS, THE MOVING COSTS OF A DEPOSIT OR THE APPLICATION FEE OR THE FIRST MONTH'S RENT.
AND WE PARTNER CONSISTENTLY AND FREQUENTLY WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES TO HELP CLIENTS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS MOVE INTO OUR UNITS.
IN FACT, WE HAD A HOUSEHOLD MOVE IN AT SHARON MANOR, WHICH IS OUR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING PROGRAM, SERVING VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE JUST YESTERDAY, UTILIZING CATHOLIC CHARITIES FUNDING.
SO FOR $600 OF FAMILY MOVED IN TO PAY DEPOSIT IN A PRORATED FIRST MONTH'S RENT.
AND THAT FAMILY WAITED TWO TO THREE WEEKS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO MOVE IN.
AND IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER AND YOU CAN'T GET INTO HOUSING.
SO OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES HISTORICALLY HAS MADE HOUSING A REALITY FOR HOMELESS HOUSEHOLDS.
AND WE, UM, PARTNER WITH THEM VERY SUCCESSFULLY.
I ALSO WANNA COMMENT ON THE CASE MANAGEMENT COMPONENT OF THIS PROGRAM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A CRITICAL PIECE THAT NOT ONLY HELPS PEOPLE FINANCIALLY GET INTO HOUSING, BUT HELPS THEM STABILIZE.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY OF THE HOUSEHOLDS WE SERVE HAVE TROUBLE IDENTIFYING DOCUMENTS TO MOVE IN, OR, UM, SOCIAL SECURITY CARDS, OR BIRTH CERTIFICATES OR, OR INCOME STATEMENTS.
AND CASE MANAGEMENT SUPPORT HELPS PEOPLE GET OVER THOSE BARRIERS TO HOUSING, MAKING IT A REALITY FOR FOLKS SO THAT THEY CAN, UM, LIVE WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
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OKAY.MR. UH, MR. BROTHERS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY GUY LA MION.
I DO, UH, PRO BONO MEDICINE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN NORTHERN ARIZONA, BUT HOMELESSNESS HAS DESTROYED AMERICAN COMMUNITIES.
UM, I INTERNED IN, IN CALIFORNIA AND SAN FRANCISCO WAS A WONDERFUL PLACE AT THAT TIME, AND IT'S BEEN DESTROYED.
AND, UM, EVERYONE FEELS SORRY FOR THE HOMELESS.
I TRY TO HELP ANYBODY THAT'S SICK, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS PROGRAM IS THE PERFECT PROGRAM.
I THINK IT'S, THERE ARE TOO MANY HOLES IN THIS PROGRAM, AND I FEAR THAT IT MIGHT BE A MAGNET FOR EVERYONE TO COME TO SEDONA.
I THINK, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE WORKED A LITTLE MORE THOROUGHLY BEFORE IMPLEMENTED.
SO I'M, I'M GONNA TEND GIVE THE REST OF MY TIME OVER TO SANDRA.
SHE HAD SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY.
SO EVERYONE'S GOTTA, YOU KNOW, GOD IS IN CHARGE, HAVE NO FEAR.
TRY TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION, BUT IT'S NOT AN EASY DECISION TO MAKE.
IF ANYBODY ELSE WISHES TO, UH, FILL OUT A CARD, DO SO NOW, OR GUY WILL BE OUR LAST THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
COUNCIL, STAFF, AND COMMUNITY.
SO I'VE GOT TO MEET MANY OF THE PEOPLE THIS EVENING THAT I'VE BEEN, UH, COMMUNICATING WITH ONLINE.
I'M LIVE IN SEDONA IN THE CITY, AND, UM, UH, I'M A BOARD CERTIFIED PSYCHIATRIC NURSE WITH 19 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN VETERANS.
10 YEARS EXPERIENCE NORTHERN ARIZONA, WORKING WITH HOMELESS.
UH, I'M AN INSTRUCTOR AT NORTHERN ARIZONA UNIVERSITY.
UH, I CAME HERE IN FULL SUPPORT OF US.
IT'S ONLY GOING FORWARD TO GET A CONTRACT.
LET'S DO IT TO, TO QUOTE OUR PRESIDENT.
LET'S IMPLEMENT THE ART OF THE DEAL.
SO I, I CAME WITH, WITH A PRESENTATION WRITTEN OUT.
UH, BUT I'VE KIND OF CHANGED BECAUSE I DO HAVE, WOULD YOU PUT UP THE SLIDE PLEASE, WITH THE FTES? BECAUSE I DIDN'T, THAT WENT OFF QUICK.
UM, UH, UH, MY, ONE OF MY MAJOR CONCERNS, BIG MAJOR CONCERN IS THAT THE PERMANENTLY, UH, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT NEED PERMANENT HOUSING, I DON'T THINK ARE COVERED BY THIS.
YOU SAID THIS IS SHORT AND INTERMEDIATE TERM HOUSING.
SO THE FOLKS THAT YOUR CONSULTANTS SAID ARE THE MOST, ARE THE MOST VISIBLE THAT POLICE SEE ALL THE TIME, ARE THAT CATEGORY NOT SERVED BY THIS PROPOSAL.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ALSO, VETERANS DO HAVE, UH, EXQUISITE HOMELESS PROGRAMS, UH, THROUGH THE VA.
PEOPLE THAT MAY COME TO YOU MAY HAVE BEEN DISCHARGED FROM THOSE PROGRAMS FOR NON-COMPLIANCE, OR MAY HAVE DISHONORABLE DISCHARGES.
THOSE ARE LIKELY THE TWO CATEGORIES THAT, UM, THAT, UH, DON'T END UP THERE.
UH, CASE MANAGEMENT SEEMS WEAK.
YOU HAVE ONE TO 66 CASE MANAGEMENT.
THE VA HUD VASH HAS ONE TO 15.
CASE MANAGEMENT IS ESSENTIAL TO MAKE SURE F UH, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
PEOPLE WITH LARGE NUMBERS OF SERIOUSLY MENTALLY ILL CHRONICALLY MEDICATION, NON-COMPLIANT CASE MANAGEMENT NEEDS TO, UH, ENSURE, REINFORCE, UM, MEDICATION COMPLIANCE.
ALSO ALCOHOL DRUG TREATMENT FOR PEOPLE WITH ALCOHOL, DRUG PROBLEMS, UH, NEED, NEEDS TO BE MONITORED, UH, BY AN EFFECTIVE CASE MANAGEMENT, UH, PROGRAM.
UH, SO, UM, UH, THOSE ARE THE MAIN POINTS THAT I WANTED TO GO OVER AFTER, UH, AND, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
UH, I, I, I WOULD NEVER WANT TO SEND $875,000 BACK TO THE STATE.
SO, UM, UM, I LO I LOVE Y'ALL.
AND, UH, MY FULL SUPPORT IS BEHIND US MOVING
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FORWARD TO GET A GOOD CONTRACT.OKAY, WE'RE GONNA BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO, UH, HAVE CLOSING STATEMENTS.
UH, DEREK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO KICK THIS ONE OFF AGAIN? SURE.
CAN I START WITH A QUESTION? SURE.
UM, SO THE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVERHEAD AND PEOPLE ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A LOT OF OVERHEAD THAT CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS KEEPING THAT OVERHEAD IS LARGELY THE CASE MANAGEMENT PEOPLE, RIGHT? SO STAFF, SO WE HAVE, THERE'S 10% ADMINISTRATION FOR CUTTING ALL OF THE FINANCIAL PAYMENTS.
SO WE ACTUALLY PAY EVERY LANDLORD EVERY MONTH.
AND THEN THERE IS THE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES OF STAFFING.
AND WHAT, SO OUTTA THAT 50%, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS THE SUPPORT SERVICES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? SO I BELIEVE THAT I HAD SAID OVER 50% IS GOING TO DIRECT CLIENT CARE.
I DIDN'T SAY IF I DID SAY ONLY 50%, I WILL CORRECT THAT THERE'S OVER 50% GOING TO DIRECT CLIENT ASSISTANCE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A FINALIZED BUDGET YET.
AGAIN, WE MADE SOME PREDICTIONS.
EIGHT O AND THE CITY OF SEDONA WILL FINALIZE THAT BUDGET.
THAT WOULD BE SHARED PUBLICLY IF THERE IS A CONTRACT THAT WE COULD LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE LINE ITEM.
BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR YET.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DIRECT CLIENT ASSISTANCE, IS THAT THE PAYMENTS THAT YOU GIVE THEM TO GIVE TO THEIR LANDLORD? YES.
RAPID REHOUSING OR RAPID RESOLUTION PAYMENTS? YES.
AND THAT'S HOW, THAT'S THE 50, THAT'S 50 PLUS PERCENT.
BUT THE POINT, THE, I GUESS PART OF THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IN TRANSITIONING INTO MY COMMENTS IS IT'S NOT LIKE CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS TAKING 50% OFF THE TOP AND STICKING IN THEIR POCKET.
THEY'RE TAKING THIS MONEY AND THEY'RE USING IT TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THESE PEOPLE.
SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT, AM I, AM I DESCRIBING THAT CORRECTLY? CORRECT.
SO THIS ISN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A COMMISSION.
IT'S, THEY'RE TAKING THESE FUNDS TO HELP THESE PEOPLE.
SO THE DIRECT, THE, THE CONCERN, I THINK ABOUT THE OVERHEAD, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE OVERBLOWN BECAUSE THE OVERHEAD, ULTIMATELY, VAST MAJORITY OF IT IS ACTUALLY BEING SPENT ON THE CLIENTS.
UM, THE OTHER THING I'M GONNA POINT OUT, SO BEFORE I WAS SEATED ON THE DAIS, UH, I MADE THE MISTAKE OF, OF DEBATING, UH, OVER PROPOSITION 4 83 WITH, UH, PEOPLE ONLINE, UM, SOME OF WHOM ARE STILL IN THIS ROOM, AND HAPPY TO TALK TO THEM AFTERWARDS.
UM, BUT THERE WERE, THERE WERE DIFFERENT ARGUMENTS THAT I CONSISTENTLY HEARD ABOUT SAFE PLACE TO PARK.
UH, SOME PEOPLE SAID, IT'S INHUMANE, IT'S UNSAFE, IT'S, IT LACKS DIGNITY.
HOW CAN WE BE SO TERRIBLE TO THESE PEOPLE? SO THERE WAS ONE GROUP, WE HAD ANOTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO SAID, WELL, IF WE DO THIS, IT'S GONNA KILL THE AMPHITHEATER.
AND I REALIZED THE AMPHITHEATER WASN'T THE BIG, I DON'T THINK THE AMPHITHEATER WAS A BIG DRIVER FOR THE OPPOSITION TO SAY PLACE TO PARK, BUT I KNOW A LOT OF, THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T WANT TO VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE OF WHAT IT WAS GONNA DO TO THE AMPHITHEATER.
AND THEN THERE WAS A SMALLER NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WERE SAYING, DON'T DO ANYTHING.
SO THIS ALL COMES AROUND TO THE POINT THAT I DON'T BUY THIS ARGUMENT.
THAT PROP 4 83 WAS A, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS MANDATE FROM THE VOTING PUBLIC THAT WE DO NOTHING TO HELP HOMELESS PEOPLE.
I MEAN, I THINK THERE WERE PEOPLE VOTED AGAINST 4 83 OR 4, 4 83, WHICHEVER IT WAS TO OVERTURN COUNCIL'S DECISION FOR A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT REASONS.
AND TO TRY TO SAY THAT IT'S, IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, LOUD VOICE TELLING US NOT TO SPEND ANY MONEY ON THIS, I THINK IS, IS JUST FALSE.
UM, I THINK THE, ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD MOSTLY FROM THE PEOPLE WHO TALKED ABOUT HOW INHUMANE THIS WAS, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO BETTER.
WE CAN DO BETTER FOR THESE PEOPLE.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THEY, THEY WORK IN OUR, THEY WORK WITH US.
A LOT OF TIMES WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE HOMELESS.
AND PEOPLE, RESIDENTS, SOME OF 'EM IN THIS ROOM SAID, DO BETTER.
IS IT PERFECT? NO, NOTHING'S PERFECT.
BUT AS, AS MY, THE PERSON WHO USED TO SIT HERE RESPOND, SAYING, DON'T LET PERFECTION BE THE ENEMY OF GOOD.
IS THAT WHAT, IS THAT WHAT, RIGHT.
SO, I MEAN, THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM THAT'S GONNA GO AWAY IF WE JUST IGNORE IT.
AND I FEEL LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING DON'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT TURN US INTO THE NEXT SAN FRANCISCO.
I JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T BUY THAT.
I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT IGNORES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CORRELATION AND CAUSATION.
THE FACT THAT SOME STATES SPENT MONEY ON HOMELESSNESS AND HOMELESSNESS WENT UP, DOESN'T MEAN SPENDING MONEY ON HOMELESSNESS MAKES HOMELESSNESS WORSE.
AND THERE'S A PRETTY BIG DIFFERENCE.
IT'S LIKE SAYING YOU SPEND MORE MONEY ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CRIME GOES UP.
OH, WELL THEN IT MEANS IF WE SPEND MORE MONEY ON THE POLICE THAN CRIME, IF WE CUT DOWN ON THE COMMENTS
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FROM THE AUDIENCE SO THAT WE COULD, IT'S DISTRACTING TO US.WE'RE TRYING TO HEAR OUR, OUR COLLEAGUES, SO THANK YOU.
BUT I, I WOULD ANALOGIZE IT TO, YOU KNOW, SPENDING ON POLICE SERVICES.
IF YOU, IN ONE YEAR, YOU INCREASE THE POLICE BUDGET AND THEN CRIME GOES UP FOR A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER REASONS UNRELATED TO THE POLICE BUDGET, YOU DON'T REACH THE CONCLUSION THAT, WELL, GIVING OUR POLICE MORE MONEY MEANS THERE'S MORE CRIME.
IT'S NOT, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT GO INTO WHAT CREATES HOMELESSNESS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT UP HERE TALKING ABOUT LIFTING THE CAMPING ORDINANCE.
WE'RE NOT UP HERE TALKING ABOUT LEGALIZING HARD DRUGS OR CREATING INJECTION SITES, OR, NO.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY UP HERE IS ADVOCATING FOR ANY OF THAT STUFF.
IN FACT, I'M ADVOCATING AND WE'LL BE IN DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS THAT WE NEED A RESOURCE OFFICER WHO CAN DEAL WITH THESE FOLKS AND GET TO KNOW THEM AND WE'RE APPROPRIATE, DIRECT THEM TO SERVICES AND ALSO WHERE APPROPRIATE ARREST THEM AND GET THEM OUTTA TOWN.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS FROM A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ANGLES.
AND I, I JUST, WE CAN'T JUST IGNORE THIS ISSUE AND THINK IT'S, THINK IT'S GONNA GO AWAY.
UM, THE RESIDENT REQUIREMENT, I WOULD REALLY LIKE THIS TO BE LIMITED TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN SEDONA OR HAVE A CONNECTION TO SEDONA, THE NEXUS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
BUT IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, ARE WE GONNA LET THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME NON SEDONAS BENEFITING FROM THIS PROGRAM? ARE WE GONNA LET THAT STOP US FROM HELPING SEDONAS PEOPLE WHO DO HAVE THE NEXUS? SO IF THE FEDS TELL US, LOOK, YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.
IF A HANDICAPPED PERSON COMES FROM PENNSYLVANIA, YOU'VE GOTTA ACCEPT 'EM INTO THE PROGRAM, FINE.
BUT THOSE ARE THE STRINGS THAT COME ATTACHED TO THE MONEY.
AND, UH, I DON'T WANNA TURN AWAY THE MONEY WHEN WE'VE GOT A CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE NOW.
AND WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO HELP THEM.
SO, AND AGAIN, JUST TO RECAP, IGNORING THIS PROBLEM IS NOT GONNA MAKE IT GO AWAY.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ADVOCATING FOR.
IF IGNORING PROBLEMS WOULD MAKE THEM GO AWAY, YOU KNOW, WORLD WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. 'CAUSE WE IGNORE JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING.
UH, JUST A COUPLE THINGS TO START.
UM, ONE, I THINK WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT IF, UH, PEOPLE ENTERING THE PROGRAM HAVE BEEN DISCHARGED FROM OTHER PROGRAMS, HAVE SOME HISTORY ABOUT THAT, WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT.
SO I'LL PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR STAFF TO CONSIDER AS IF THIS MOVES FORWARD.
AND THEN TO EVERYONE, IF THERE ARE HOLES IN THIS PROGRAM THAT YOU SEE, LET US KNOW.
I MEAN, SOME OF YOU HAVE ALREADY SPOKE, BUT SOME OF YOU SPOKE GENERICALLY ABOUT THERE ARE HOLES IN THE PROGRAM WITHOUT SPECIFICS, WE SHOULD KNOW.
I, FOR ONE, I WILL ADMIT TO BEING AS SKEPTICAL AS ANYONE ABOUT WHEN CITIES ENTER NEW LINES OF BUSINESSES.
I THINK MY HISTORY ON THIS DIOCESE ALREADY SHOWED THAT.
BUT I ALSO AM NOT MOVED BY CAMPAIGNS THAT JUST PIT FEARS AGAINST HOPE WITHOUT ANY DATA.
THAT'S NOT VERY PERSUASIVE TO ME LOCAL EXPERIENCE SO FAR AS I SEE THIS PROGRAM AS THE POTENTIAL TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS AND GIVE US THAT DATA.
WE'VE TASKED STAFF TONIGHT TO ANSWER SOME VERY SERIOUS AND IMPORTANT QUESTIONS BEFORE WE COMMIT TO THIS PROGRAM.
WE ARE NOT AUTHORIZING A PROGRAM TONIGHT.
I'M REST ASSURED I, FOR ONE, WILL BE SUPPORTIVE OF KILLING A PROGRAM THAT ISN'T MEETING OUR GOALS OR HAS BAD EFFECT.
SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP TONIGHT AND TAKING THE NEXT STEP.
KATHY, I FEEL I, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUES AND AGREE WITH A LOT OF THEM.
AND I, UM, LIKE COUNCILOR FAF, I REMEMBER, UM, BEING SOMEONE FROM THE PODIUM, A WOMAN THAT WAS YELLING AT A SHAME, SHAME THAT THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM WASN'T GOING FAR ENOUGH TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS AND PUTTING PEOPLE IN IN HOMES THAT IT WAS HAVING PEOPLE SLEEP IN, IN THEIR CARS AND HOW THAT WAS INSUFFICIENT.
WELL, AGAIN, YOU TRY TO BUILD SOMETHING BETTER.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS PROGRAM ATTEMPTS TO DO.
IT'S TO TAKE PEOPLE AND PUT THEM IN A HOME.
WE JUST, WE HEARD AND WE ASKED TWICE FOR A REASON.
THERE SEEMS TO BE A 93% SUCCESS RATE THAT'S BEEN QUOTED, UH, FOR THIS, THAT YOU PUT YOU GETTING SOMEBODY IN A HOME.
UM, A LOT OF THE OPPOSITION IS AGAINST HOMELESSNESS.
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AS A PROBLEM IN YOUR COMMUNITY? YOU, YOU HOME PEOPLE, YOU HOUSE THEM.AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ATTEMPTING TO DO.
SO I AM, I AM, I DUNNO, IT'S FRUSTRATING, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU TRY TO DO SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM.
AND THEN THERE ARE JUST CRITICISMS TO THAT, AND IT STARTS TO SEEM AS THOUGH IT'S JUST THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE PROBLEM ADDRESSED.
SO IF, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ANYBODY'S INTENTION, BUT, UH, YOU SHOULD BE AWARE THAT THAT'S HOW IT'S COMING ACROSS.
UM, AGAIN, THERE'S AS AN ASSUMPTION THAT A PROGRAM TO TRY TO END SOMEONE'S HOMELESS SITUATION IS A MAGNET FOR ADDITIONAL HOMELESS.
I DON'T, I UNDERSTAND THAT AS A CONCERN.
UH, BUT I THINK THAT WHAT WE'VE MADE VERY CLEAR UP HERE ON THIS DAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE A REAL CONNECTION TO THE SEDONA COMMUNITY AND THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE HOMELESS.
UM, AND I DON'T, WITH THAT NEXUS, I THINK MITIGATES THE CONCERN OF THAT AREA, IN THAT AREA.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS GETTING US, TONIGHT'S ACTION ONLY GETS US TO THE POINT OF GETTING THE SPECIFICS FOR A CONTRACT THAT CAN THEN BE CONSIDERED.
I THINK THIS IS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
I AM, WHAT GIVES ME THE, THE BEST, UM, HOPE FOR THIS PROGRAM TO BE SUCCESSFUL IS ITS WRAPAROUND SERVICES.
UH, CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS NOT ALONE IN THIS.
BUT THERE WAS REFERENCE TO A MEETING EVERY TWO WEEKS OF VARIOUS HOMELESS SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS THAT SHARE SERVICES AND REFERRALS TO EACH OTHER THAT CAN POINT THINGS OUT TO EACH OTHER.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE KIND OF COALITION BUILDING THAT'S NEEDED TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM HOLISTICALLY.
UH, I I'M SUPPORTING THIS PROGRAM TONIGHT AND I, UH, REALLY WANNA TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL TO SEE WHERE WE CAN GO WITH THIS IN THE SPECIFICS.
SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR COMING UP WITH IT.
I'M GRATEFUL TO ADO FOR BEING FLEXIBLE BECAUSE, UH, I AGREE WITH MR. LAUNION THAT THERE'S MONEY THERE THAT CAN BE USED TO SOLVE A REAL PROBLEM THAT EXISTS IN OUR SEDONA COMMUNITY, OUR VERDE VALLEY REGION, THE STATE OF ARIZONA.
AND HERE'S MONEY THAT'S, THAT'S AVAILABLE TO HELP ADDRESS A PROBLEM THAT REAL PEOPLE, NOT THE HOMELESS, FACELESS, NAMELESS PEOPLE THAT HAVE NAMES HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY, UH, THIS CAN HELP THEM.
AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO DIRECT THAT MONEY TO BE USED FOR SERVICES TO HELP AND TO REDUCE HOMELESSNESS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO, AGAIN, UH, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS.
SO, LOOKING FOR WISDOM ON THIS TOPIC.
YOU KNOW, ONE THING I THINK OF IS, YOU KNOW, UH, THE COMMAND TO LOVE THY NEIGHBOR IS THYSELF.
AND WHO IS OUR NEIGHBOR? IT'S, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY THAT WE COME ACROSS.
UM, AND SO I DON'T THINK I CAN JUST SAY IT'S OKAY TO IGNORE MY NEIGHBOR.
UM, CERTAINLY IN ECONOMIC, UM, GAME THEORY ONE STRATEGY IS ALWAYS TO DO NOTHING.
UM, I DON'T THINK DO NOTHING IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE PUT THE FULL SUITE OF WHAT TO DO IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY IN A WAY THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD ACCEPT.
UM, WHEN SAFE PLACE TO PARK CAME UP, AND I WAS REFLECTING ON, UH, WHAT MR. NOONAN WAS SAYING ABOUT, IT'S BEEN ABOUT A YEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, REFLECTING ON THAT, UM, WE, IT KNOWLEDGE OF SAFE PLACE TO PARK HAD ALREADY BEEN AVAILABLE, OR AWARENESS OF IT COULD HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE FOR 18 MONTHS AT THIS, AT THAT POINT.
AND YET THERE WAS LITTLE KNOWN ABOUT IT.
IT WAS, UH, AN EPIC CHALLENGE TO TRY TO EDUCATE PEOPLE.
AND EVEN UP TO THE DAY OF THE ELECTION AND PAST, THERE WAS MISINFORMATION BOTH AGAINST AND FOR, UM, THAT PROGRAM.
AND IT'S STILL TRUE TODAY, AND IT IS WHAT IT IS.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S A HARD THING TO COMMUNICATE TO A COMMUNITY ABOUT A PROGRAM THAT HAS SOME COMPLEXITY ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS PROGRAM LITERALLY LIKE IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
UM, WE SAW A PACKET LAST WEEK, AND THEN WE GOT A PRESENTATION LESS THAN TWO HOURS BEFORE THIS MEETING.
AND THAT'S NOT GIVEN ANYBODY TIME TO SOCIALIZE WHAT THIS PROGRAM MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE.
FOLKS THAT SPOKE OUT ABOUT THE PROGRAM THIS EVENING
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DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF SEEING THE POWERPOINT IN THE TWO HOURS RUN UP TO THIS MEETING AND ARE PROBABLY JUST PROCESSING IT RIGHT NOW OF WHAT ALL ADDITIONAL DETAIL IS IN THE PROGRAM.AND I STILL DON'T THINK IT'S ENOUGH DETAIL AS IT IS.
UM, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE REFERENDUM ON SAFE PLACE TO PARK AND REFLECT ON THAT AND, AND WHAT ALL WAS COMMUNICATED TO US, I I, WHAT I, WHAT I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A CITY COUNCIL, WE GET ELECTED AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYING THE LONG GAME.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING OUT FOR THE LONG-TERM BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY.
SOMETIMES THAT MEANS MAKING DECISIONS THAT AREN'T POPULAR WITH THE COMMUNITY, BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF DECISIONS.
LIKE, IT'S ONE THING TO SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'VE GOTTA RAISE WASTEWATER FEES.
OKAY, NOBODY LIKES THAT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA TEAR THE COMMUNITY APART.
SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO LAUNCH INTO A SIGNIFICANT PROJECT INVOLVING HOMELESSNESS IS IN A WHOLE DIFFERENT REALM, IS WHAT I DISCOVERED.
AND, UM, AND I DO FEEL LIKE IT RIPPED THE COMMUNITY APART AND I DON'T WANNA RELIVE THAT.
UH, AGAIN, AT THIS POINT, IT'S PART OF WHAT I'VE LEARNED FROM IT.
SO MY VIEW IS, IS THAT WHILE I WANT TO LIKE THIS PROGRAM, I DON'T LIKE IT YET BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT IS FULLY, UM, FLESHED OUT.
I MEAN, CERTAINLY THE QUESTION ABOUT NEXUS AND WHETHER, UH, FEDERAL LAW COULD WIND UP OVERRIDING, WHAT IS A DESIRE FOR A SEDONA NEXUS? THAT'S A HUGE QUESTION MARK FOR ME.
UM, AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW DO YOU MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS WORK THAT A MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY ACTUALLY CAN GET BEHIND.
SO, YOU KNOW, TWO THIRDS OF THE COMMUNITY SAID, WE DIDN'T WANT SAFE PLACE TO PARK.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE TARGETING, TRYING TO GET CLOSE TO THAT FOR PEOPLE THAT WOULD SAY THEY WOULD SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THIS HOUSING VOUCHER PROGRAM.
BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD CONVERSATIONS, WE HAVEN'T HAD OUTREACH TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD A STRONG OPINION ABOUT THE PRIOR PROPOSED PROGRAM.
SO I'M NOT COMFORTABLE EVEN WITH TAKING THIS TO, UH, EIGHT OH, TO APPLY, UH, FOR THE PROGRAM AT THIS TIME.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, UM, AND DISCUSSION, UM, FOLLOWING, UH, NEXT DOOR OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.
I MEAN, SOME OF THE, UH, BACK AND FORTHS THAT I SAW WITH MR. LAUNION, MR. NOONAN, WERE PROBABLY SOME OF THE MORE PRODUCTIVE, UH, DIGITAL CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE SEEN IN QUITE SOME TIME.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE OF THAT OCCUR BEFORE SAYING, YEAH, I WANT TO, UH, SUPPORT THIS PROGRAM.
MR. NUNAN, WHEN WE'RE DONE TONIGHT, I WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO YOU FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
'CAUSE I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT WHERE YOU DO OR DO NOT HAVE SUPPORT FOR THIS.
I HEARD ONE PART ABOUT, UH, SUPPORTING, UM, SOME HOUSING, BUT THEN NOT THIS PROGRAM.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO TALK WITH YOU BRIEFLY ABOUT THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT THIS COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO BE AN ELEVATED COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO ELEVATE OUR DISCOURSE ALSO.
AND WE NEED TO, UM, PRACTICE MORE CIVILITY IN ALL DIRECTIONS.
THAT'S NOT, UH, POKING AT ANYONE IN PARTICULAR.
UM, I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHERE WE DO HAVE, UH, A LOT IN COMMON AS RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY.
I'LL START WITH THE FACT THAT NOBODY HERE WANTS SEDONA TO SUCK, OKAY? AS BLUNT AS THAT IS, NOBODY WANTS SEDONA TO SUCK.
AND THEN THE SECOND IS NOBODY HERE, ESPECIALLY ON THIS DAIS, I DON'T THINK WANTS TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BRING MORE HOMELESSNESS HERE.
SO THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD FILTER IN MY VIEW OF THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO.
WE DON'T WANT TO BRING MORE HOMELESSNESS INTO THE COMMUNITY.
SO I THINK WE NEED MORE CONVERSATION.
UM, I MAY BE ALONE ON THIS TONIGHT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THIS FORWARD TO A O AT THIS TIME.
I KNOW THAT THAT $876,000 IS BURNING A HOLE IN THEIR POCKET, BUT IT IS NOT BURNING A HOLE IN MINE.
SO THAT'S, I THINK, WHERE I'M AT TONIGHT.
MELISSA, SO JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
THE FUNDING SOURCE THAT YOU HAVE IS STATE MONEY? OR IS IT STATE MONEY THAT'S COMING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? IT IS THROUGH THE STATE OR DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING.
SO WE PLAY BY STATE LAWS, OR WE PLAY ONLY BY THE FEDERAL LAWS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLARITY.
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MONEY, IT'S FEDERAL MONEY THROUGH THE STATE STATE, RIGHT.SO, SO EITHER WAY, WHETHER, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, MONEY, UH, PORTIONED AND, AND PAID FOR BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE OR FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, A DO DOES WORK, UM, AND TAKE GRANTS FROM, UH, FEDERAL PROGRAMS. AND SO THEY WILL BE COMPLYING WITH THE FEDERAL RULES AND REGULATIONS.
UM, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THEM DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT.
SO I, I WOULD JUST STATE 'CAUSE IT'S COME UP A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S NOT QUITE AS BLACK AND WHITE, WHITE AS SOME OF THE, THE, UM, SPEAKERS HERE TONIGHT TALKED ABOUT.
THERE IS ROOM FOR IN FEDERAL REGULATIONS FOR LOCAL PREFERENCES, UM, AND FOR US TO ADDRESS SPECIFIC NEEDS, UM, THERE IS ROOM TO, UM, REQUIRE, UH, A LOCAL NEXUS IF THERE'S, UM, DOESN'T HAVE ANY DISCRIMINATORY EFFECT.
UH, AND SO WHERE COMMUNITIES HAVE GOTTEN INTO TROUBLE BEFORE IS WHERE THEY HAPPEN TO BE A PREDOMINANTLY WHITE COMMUNITY, AND THEN THEY WANT A LOCAL NEXUS.
AND THAT ENDS UP KEEPING OUT PEOPLE OF, OF DIFFERENT RACES FROM COMING IN AND, AND DOING THOSE PROGRAMS. SO THAT'S NOT, UH, UH, NECESSARILY AN ISSUE HERE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS, IT'S, IT'S THEORETICAL.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT PROGRAM GUIDELINES FROM FROM ADO, AND THEY, THEY WILL BE THE ONES THAT WILL PRIMARILY DICTATE, UM, HOW THAT WILL PLAY OUT.
WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT EXACTLY ALL THE PARAMETERS ARE AND EXACTLY HOW THIS, YOU KNOW, WILL WORK AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
UM, I I THINK WE'VE EXPRESSED AN OPINION AROUND WHETHER OR NOT THIS SHOULD HAVE A NEXUS HERE IN SEDONA WHERE YOU ARE EMPLOYED HERE, OR YOU WORKED HERE, OR YOU'VE LIVED HERE FOREVER OR WHATEVER IT IS.
UM, I WOULD SAY IF WE DON'T GO FORWARD, WE, WE AREN'T GONNA GET THOSE DETAILS AND WE NEED THOSE DETAILS TO WORK WITH ADA.
WE NEED THOSE DETAILS TO WORK WITHIN THEIR FRAMEWORK SO WE CAN COME UP WITH WHATEVER FANTASY WORLD WE WANNA COME UP WITH AND COMMUNICATE THAT FANTASY WORLD AND GET THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY BEHIND IT.
AND THEN ADO SAYS, NO, THAT DOESN'T FIT THEIR RULES.
IT DOESN'T FIT THEIR STRUCTURE.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS A BALANCE AND IT'S A BALANCING ACT.
UM, AND IF WE DON'T GO FORWARD BY SAYING, FIND OUT WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH ADO SO THAT WE CAN THEN HAVE A REAL PROGRAM TO BRING FORWARD TO DISCUSS WITH PEOPLE BEFORE ACCEPTING THAT CONTRACT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE.
UM, I ALSO HAVE SOME CONCERNS, LIKE, WHY WOULD YOU GO INTO THIS PROGRAM IF YOU DIDN'T WANNA STAY HERE? SO THIS ISN'T SAFE PLACE TO PARK WHERE YOU, YOU SHOW UP AT NIGHT AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO TAKE YOU IN AND WE GIVE YOU SOME POT PORTA-POTTIES AND, YOU KNOW, UM, SOME SHOWERS WHICH WILL UNDOUBTEDLY NOT BE WARM.
UM, AND THIS IS NOT THAT PROGRAM.
THIS PROGRAM SAYS, WE'RE GONNA PUT YOU IN HOUSING, YOU'RE GOING TO SIGN A LEASE, YOU'RE GONNA PUT YOUR NAME ON A LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT SAYS YOU ARE GONNA PAY EVERY MONTH.
WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS IF YOUR INTENT IS TO COME HERE AND NOT DO ANYTHING, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO GET EVICTED.
AND IF YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF EVICTION, YOU HAVE NO TIES TO THE CITY.
WE'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T GO INTO THE PROGRAM ANYWAY.
THAT'S WHAT I HEAR US SORT OF SAYING ON THE DIES TONIGHT.
WE EXPECT TO SEE THAT INSIDE OF WHATEVER PROGRAM YOU'RE GOING TO COME.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE WOULD COME HERE JUST TO GO INTO A PROGRAM THEY CAN'T GO INTO.
UM, SO THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT.
AND I DON'T SEE THIS AS A CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS SOLUTION.
PEOPLE WHO ARE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD OFTEN HAVE A LOT MORE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ISSUES.
THEY HAVE A LOT MORE PHYSICAL HEALTH ISSUES.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF THESE OTHER ISSUES THAT PREVENT THEM FROM ACTUALLY CONNECTING WELL INTO THE COMMUNITY.
THEY ARE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY, AND WE'RE LOOKING TO TRY AND HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE INSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY OR ON THE EDGE AND WANT TO BE IN THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND THAT'S WHO THE PEOPLE ARE.
I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO REACH, THERE'S NO PROGRAM THAT I CAN CONCEIVE OF THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA STOP HOMELESSNESS.
IT'S NOT GONNA STOP PEOPLE FROM SLIDING INTO HOMELESSNESS THROUGH RATE INCREASES THAT ARE UNREASONABLE OR THROUGH THE FACT THAT OUR SALARIES, UM, THEY DON'T MATCH THE INCOME LEVELS THAT YOU NEED IN ORDER TO, TO LIVE ANYWHERE IN THE VERDE VALLEY, NOT JUST IN SEDONA, WHICH I REALIZE MAY HAVE THE HIGHEST OF THE RATES, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANY ONE PROGRAM IS GONNA DO THAT.
I THINK IT TAKES A COMMUNITY TO DO THAT.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON LAST WEDNESDAY.
I THINK THIS IS A STEP TOWARDS US HELPING PEOPLE WHO ARE IN TRANSITIONAL OR PERIODIC HOMELESSNESS USING THE DEFINITIONS THAT WERE GIVEN TO
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US BY OUR CONSULTANTS.THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THEY WILL BE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WHETHER THIS PROGRAM GOES FORWARD OR NOT, THEY WILL STILL BE HERE.
THEY WILL BE SLEEPING IN THEIR CARS.
THEY WILL BE ON THE VERGE OF HOMELESSNESS BECAUSE OF A RATE INCREASE.
THAT'S THE PEOPLE THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO TRY AND SERVE.
AND THEY'RE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND I'D LIKE FOR US TO FIND A WAY TO HELP THEM STAY IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO I WOULD GO FORWARD WITH SAYING YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE AROUND UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU WANT THIS PROGRAM TO BE, HOW IT RELATES TO BEING A MEMBER OF THE SEDONA COMMUNITY, AND THEN WHETHER OR NOT WE THEN AGREE THAT WHETHER IT'S THROUGH BUDGET OR WHATEVER ELSE, WHETHER OR NOT WE AGREE THAT THAT'S A PROGRAM WE CAN GET BEHIND.
AND IF WE CAN GET BEHIND IT, THEN IT'S UP TO US AND OUR STAFF IN THE CITY TO HELP EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY AGREE WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT WE AS SEDONA CAN GET BEHIND.
NOT FOR TODAY, BUT FOR THE FUTURE OF SEDONA.
WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT SAFE PLACE TO PARK, I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH AND, AND I MADE THE COMMENT AT THAT TIME THAT REALLY THE ONLY WAY TO HELP PEOPLE FROM WHAT ALL THE RESEARCH THAT I GATHER IS TO FIND THEM SOMEPLACE TO LIVE, NOT PARK, YOU KNOW, OVERNIGHT, BUT ACTUALLY GET A HOUSE.
SO I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF THIS PROGRAM.
HOWEVER, WE ARE RAW FROM HAVING MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES IN MY OPINION, ABOUT HOW WE PROCEEDED WITH SAFE PLACE TO PARK, AND NOW PEOPLE ARE REACTING TO THAT.
AND THE CHATTER IS THE EMOTIONS BEHIND THE CHATTER IS OFF THE CHARTS.
AND NOW THE PROGRAM WILL BE DISTORTED BEYOND WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO DO.
I FEAR BECAUSE IT'S TOO, A LITTLE BIT TOO MUSHY FOR ME RIGHT NOW.
I, I BELIEVE IT WILL GET CLEARER, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME IN MY OPINION RIGHT NOW.
UH, AND THAT WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO PLUG THE HOLES WITH THEIR FEARS.
AND SO WE ARE GOING TO BE RIGHT BACK WHERE WE WERE A FEW MONTHS AGO CAUSING A HUGE RIFT WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT? I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA, PERSONALLY.
I'VE SAID THIS ABOUT A NUMBER OF, NOT JUST THIS PROGRAM, BUT A A LOT OF ISSUES THAT COME BEFORE COUNCIL.
I DON'T LIKE RECEIVING POWERPOINTS TWO HOURS BEFORE A MEETING.
I CAN'T READ THEM TWO HOURS BEFORE A MEETING.
I CAN'T ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I, I MIGHT THINK OF IF I HAD TIME TO REVIEW IT.
THIS PROGRAM IS NOT ONE THAT WE WERE AWARE OF.
IT'S JUST BEING GIVEN TO US TODAY WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.
UH, WE HAVEN'T HAD TIME FOR PEOPLE TO, TO REALLY UNDERSTAND IT AND APPRECIATE IT AND WEIGH IN ON THE FACTS AS OPPOSED TO THE FEAR.
AND SO I FIND MYSELF IN A CONUNDRUM OF WHAT TO DO OF HOW TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE I REALLY BELIEVE THAT HOUSING PEOPLE IS A GOOD IDEA AND I DON'T HAVE ANY TROUBLES ABOUT SUBSIDIZING THAT.
I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT THESE PROGRAMS ARE FOR, AND I THINK THAT THE STATE, UH, LEGISLATURE UNDER IS BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN A BIPARTISAN WAY, BUT THAT DOESN'T HELP THE SITUATION BEFORE US TODAY.
AND I WOULD, I, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, AND THE MAYOR HASN'T SPOKEN YET, BUT FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, I THINK THAT THERE'S THE VOTES TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, TO, UH, AMEND OUR APPLICATION FOR A O BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, BECAUSE IF WE, IF IF THE, IF THE, WHEN THE WE COME BACK, WHEN WHEN LEGAL GIVES US MORE INFORMATION, WHEN A O GIVES US MORE INFORMATION, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT IT.
UNLESS THAT INFORMATION AND WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO MEETS THE CRITERIA THAT I, I WANNA SUPPORT.
I FEAR WISH WE UNDERSTOOD THESE RULES BEFORE WE HAD TO SUBMIT THE GRANT BECAUSE IF WE, THEN IF WE THEN
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REJECT IT AFTER THEY'VE GIVEN US ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, ABILITY, WHERE IS OUR SITUATION WITH ADA EVER GONNA BE OF MOVING FORWARD ON ANYTHING ELSE? MM-HMMSO THAT'S WHERE I'M A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, ALSO FEEL LIKE IT'S A STICKY WICKET.
AND I, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO.
UH, I NEED THESE PROGRAMS TO BE FLESHED OUT MUCH MORE DETAILED LEVEL BEFORE I'M COMFORTABLE COMMUNICATING TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK IT IS OUR OBLIGATION TO COMMUNICATE TO THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE JUST HAD A REFERENDUM.
AND EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NOTHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S NOT UNDERSTOOD ENOUGH.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
SO I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID.
EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID TONIGHT FROM THE OTHER COUNSELORS.
UM, WE'VE LEARNED A LOT TODAY, BUT I THINK WHAT HASN'T BEEN SAID FROM THIS DAY IS, IS HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE HERE NOW.
WELL, PEOPLE COME FROM OUTTA STATE ANYWAY, NOT EVEN KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON HERE PROBABLY, BUT THEY'RE COMING NOW.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING A NEXUS TO SEDONA, THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO ME.
BUT HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE ALREADY HERE AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING SERVED.
NOW I UNDERSTAND SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, YOU'RE GIVING THEM SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.
WELL, SOME PEOPLE ARE HERE AND HOMELESS, NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE DRUG ADDICTS, NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE BAD PEOPLE, NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALCOHOLICS.
OKAY? THEY'RE LIVING IN OAK CREEK ALREADY.
THERE WAS A PICTURE OR GRAPHIC POSTED ONLINE A WHILE AGO WHEN WE OPENED UP THE UNDERPASS AND THEY HAD SOMEBODY LIVING IN OAK CREEK ACROSS FROM THE, THE, UH, UNDERPASS.
AND PEOPLE WERE ALLUDING TO SEE THEY BUILT THE UNDERPASS.
WELL, I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU, THOSE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE UNDERPASS FOR YEARS BECAUSE THEY HAVE, WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY IN THE UNDERPASS, IN THE, UH, IN OAK CREEK FOR YEARS.
AND YET PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
PEOPLE ARE NOT, ARE NOT ACKNOWLEDGING IT.
THEY'RE LIVING IN THE STORM DRAINS.
THEY'RE LIVING IN THE FOREST SERVICE.
SO WHEN 43 WAS VOTED DOWN, WHICH WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR AND ACCEPTED IT, OF COURSE, BUT I WOULD TALK TO SOME PEOPLE AND SAY, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S THIS OR THAT.
WE WERE GOING TO GIVE HEATED BATHROOMS, NOT PORTA-POTTIES AND A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS.
MANY PEOPLE SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT, BUT THEY VOTED AGAINST IT, BUT THEY WISHED THEY KNEW MORE.
SO MAYBE WE DIDN'T GET THE, UH, THE MESSAGE OUT, BUT THE OPPOSITE OPPOSITION WHO'S HERE TODAY, THEY GOT THEIR MESSAGE OUT AND IT, IT WASN'T A LOT OF, THERE WAS SOME INFORMATION THAT WAS CORRECT, BUT NOT ALL OF IT.
BUT MANY PEOPLE ARE JUST BLINDED BY THE TERM HOMELESS.
OKAY? THEY DIDN'T HEAR THAT WAS TOLD TODAY.
THESE HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE VETS SEX TRAFFICKED THEIR FAMILIES.
SOME WITH, YET WE HAVE 20 CHILDREN ARE INCLUDED IN THOSE FAMILIES WHO HAPPEN TO BE HOMELESS.
OKAY? YET THEY'RE TAGGED AS BEING SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE NOT.
SOMEBODY MENTIONED HERE, GENTLEMAN HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TALKED ABOUT RELIGION AND HOW AND HOW GOOD HE IS.
AND IT'S GREAT THAT HE HELPS SOME OF THESE PEOPLE.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THESE PEOPLE? 20 CHILDREN, YOU, THE COMMUNITY SHOULD TURN THEIR BACK OR TURN OUR BACK ON 20 CHILDREN WHO, WHO KNOWS WHY THEY'RE HOMELESS.
I TEND TO THINK, UH, I KNOW I'VE SAID PUBLICLY, I THINK SHORT TERM RENTALS HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT.
NOT ALL TO DO WITH IT, BUT IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.
WE CAN'T TURN OUR BACK ON THEM.
THEY'RE NOT ALL BAD PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY OUR VETERANS.
THESE PEOPLE, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THAT THEY'RE HOMELESS, THEY GAVE A PART OF THEIR SOUL TO THIS COUNTRY, TO FIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY.
AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT GETTING HELP.
SHOULD WE AS A CITY, TURN OUR BACK ON THE VETERANS WHO DIDN'T TURN THEIR BACK ON US? I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND YET PEOPLE HERE ARE JUST LUMPING EVERYBODY TOGETHER.
THEY'RE COMING FROM SAN FRANCISCO MAYBE.
I'M HOPING THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN HERE.
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WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH.I WANNA KNOW IF WE COULD HONOR THAT NEXUS PORTION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
BUT I'M FINE WITH MOVING FORWARD TO GET THAT INFORMATION.
THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW.
SO I THINK WE HAVE FIVE OR SIX.
YOU NEED A MOTION? NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO, JUST SORRY, FROM A DISCUSSION HERE, BUT NO, THANK YOU.
UM, BUT DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR THIS OR IS THIS JUST A MOTION? YEAH, WE NEED A MOTION.
SO WHY DON'T YOU, UH, GO WITH THE MOTION.
I MOVE TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO PREPARE AN AMENDED APPLICATION AND SCOPE OF WORK TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING FOR HSSF REALLOCATION FUNDING FOR A RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, DEREK, IS THAT OKAY? SECOND BY COUNCILOR FAFF.
UH, PER RULE, SHE CAN ABSTAIN.
GENERALLY IT'S ENCOURAGED TO STATE THE REASON BEFOREHAND AND NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION.
WELL, SHE DID SAY THAT SHE PARTICIPATE IN YEAH, NOT THIS.
WELL, I'LL, I'LL SAY OR, AND OR, AND AB STATE, THE REASON WHY YOU ARE ABSTAINING, I'M ABSTAINING BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE SCOPE OF WORK TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING SHOULD COME TO COUNCIL BEFORE FOR OUR REVIEW BEFORE IT'S SUBMITTED.
SO IT'S FIVE TO TWO, ONE OPPOSED AND ONE ABSTENTION.
IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS 5, 5, 1 WITH ONE.
AND MAYOR, I WANT FOR THE RECORD, I MEAN, MY REASON FOR THE NAY IS THE SAME AS THE VICE MAYOR'S REASON FOR ABSTAINING.
SO, I MEAN, AND I GET, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I, I'M FINE WITH MOVING FORWARD AND SEEING WHAT THE NEXT CHAPTER BRINGS BUSA.
SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S A WORDING PROBLEM BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL WANNA KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS.
AND HERE IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, UM, SCOPE OF WORK TO BE SUBMITTED.
IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IT WILL BE SUBMITTED AT THE TIME, BUT IT'S TO BE SUBMITTED AND THE TO BE SUBMITTED COULD INCLUDE THE FACT THAT IT COMES BACK BEFORE US, BEFORE IT IS SUBMITTED.
SO I THINK THERE'S A WORDING ISSUE IN THE MOTION.
UH, MAYBE THIS IS OUT OF ORDER AND TOO LATE, BUT, BUT THIS DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GIVING IS TELLING THE COMMUNITY WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.
IT IS THE INFORMATION PROBLEM THAT THE VICE MAYOR
PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME AWAY GOING, THEY'RE DOING IT, THEY'RE DOING IT.
SO JUST KNOW THAT NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT GETTING MORE INFORMATION TO SEE IF WE CAN HAVE THOSE, UH, POINTS TAKEN CARE OF.
KURT, YOU WANNA ADDRESS THIS? SO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE MOTION.
IT'S TO PREPARE AN AMENDED APPLICATION.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO GO FORWARD AT THIS POINT.
IT DOES HAVE TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL.
UH, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE APPLICATION WILL BE APPROVED.
WE ANTICIPATE IT WILL BE, BUT RIGHT.
CAN I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT? SAY THAT ONE? CAN I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT? JUST SURE.
I DON'T THINK WE GET THE, UH, UH, VICE MAYOR, COUNCILOR VOLZ.
I DON'T THINK WE GET TO THE STEP YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITHOUT THIS HAPPENING.
I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS GONNA HAPPEN WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, WHAT'S THE, WHY NOT, WE'RE NOT, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE CONTRACT WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES GONNA LOOK LIKE? SO I JUST, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DON'T THINK WE GET TO THE STEP YOU WANT TO GET TO UNLESS WE KEEP THIS THING MOVING FORWARD.
'CAUSE AT SOME POINT, ADA IS GONNA SAY, ENOUGH, YOU'VE HAND RUNG LONG ENOUGH, WE'RE TAKING THE MONEY, WE'RE GONNA GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY WHO WILL SPEND IT.
SO, AND I THINK WE WERE ELECTED TO MAKE DECISIONS AND WE NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS, AND THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE POPULAR.
MARC, YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED.
KATHY, YOU STILL WITH US ON ZOOM? YOU GOT A COUPLE PEOPLE ASKING FOR FIVE MINUTES? YES, SIR.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A, A, A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, MARCY, AND THEN, UH, WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU.
WE DIDN'T, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK WE FORGOT ABOUT YOU
WELL, NO, THEN YOU GOTTA DRIVE HOME IN THE DARK.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A NASTY DRIVE.
I DID THE OTHER EARLY, EARLY MORNING YESTERDAY, AS A MATTER OF FACT.
[8.d. AB 3188 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding proposed State legislation, short-term rental legislation, lobbying efforts, and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona]
31 88.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION OR ACTION REGARDING PROPOSED STATE LEGISLATION, SHORT-TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION,
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LOBBYING EFFORTS AND STATE BUDGET, AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE CITY OF SEDONA, KURT.SO I'LL START OFF JUST BRIEFLY BEFORE WE GET TO THE, THE LOBBYIST UPDATE FROM, UH, THE CITY'S LOBBYIST, KATHY SENSEMAN.
UM, YESTERDAY WAS THE LAST DAY, UH, TO DROP BILLS, TO INTRODUCE BILLS.
IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, UPDATING IN LIVE TIME ONLINE.
UH, BUT AS OF THIS MORNING, AFTER ALL THE BILLS WERE DROPPED BEFORE 5:00 PM AND THEY WERE ALL TALLIED, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS 1,801 TOTAL BILLS RESOLUTIONS, MEMORIALS AND WHATNOT.
SO THERE WAS A LOT THAT WAS DROPPED, UH, YESTERDAY.
THEY, THEY APPEARED TO PRIMARILY BE IN THE HOUSE FOR A TOTAL OF, UH, 944 HOUSE BILLS.
SO THERE'S ANOTHER 140 OR SO HOUSE BILLS TO GO THROUGH.
I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OF TODAY, AND MOST OF 'EM DON'T SEEM TO LIKE THEY APPLY TO THE CITY.
THERE WAS A, A COUPLE THOUGH, THAT MIGHT, THAT WILL PROBABLY BE IN THE NEXT, NEXT REPORT.
UM, THE QUICKLY COMING, UH, UPCOMING DEADLINES ARE FEBRUARY 21ST IS THE LAST DAY TO HEAR BILLS IN THE CHAMBER OF ORIGIN.
SO IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE BILL OR SENATE BILL, YOU NEED TO BE HEARD IN, UM, YOUR COMMITTEE AND THEN YOUR CHAMBER BEFORE THE 21ST.
SO THAT'S JUST, UH, COMING UP FAST.
AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE A MONTH, UH, TO MARCH 28TH TO HEAR BILLS IN THE OPPOSITE CHAMBER.
SO IF YOU CAN GET YOUR BILL PASSED THROUGH THE HOUSE, UM, OR THE SENATE, AND THEN IT NEEDS TO GO THE OTHER CHAMBER, IT NEEDS TO BE HEARD THERE.
SO THOSE ARE THE UPCOMING, UH, DEADLINES.
I HAVE, TRY A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FORMAT THIS YEAR FOR THE, UH, LEGISLATIVE UPDATE IS JUST IN A CHART INSTEAD OF THE INDIVIDUAL ONES.
UM, WHERE THEY ARE HIGHLIGHTED OR ALREADY COLORED, I GUESS IN GREEN AND RED ARE THE ONES I'VE ALREADY, UM, UH, REGISTERED THE CITY IN SUPPORT OF OR AGAINST.
UM, THIS YEAR YOU'LL SEE THERE'S ONLY, UM, TWO SHORT-TERM RENTAL BILLS RIGHT NOW THAT THE CITY ONES ARE ALREADY REGISTERED FOR THE THE LEAGUE BILL.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONES ARE, UH, THE OTHER ONES THE PROPERTY CLASSIFICATION BILL.
UM, AND SO AFTER WE HEAR FROM KATHY, WE CAN, WE CAN RUN 'EM QUICKLY THROUGH THAT LIST.
BUT, UM, IN GENERAL, IN THE PAST WE'VE REGISTERED IN SUPPORT OF JUST ABOUT EVERY SHORT TERM RENTAL BILL.
UM, THIS YEAR I THINK, WE'LL, WE MIGHT BE A, A LITTLE MORE SELECTIVE.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE THAT'S THE, THE LIST, UH, THAT I HAVE.
WE ARE, AND I WILL OF COURSE, TAKE ANY OTHER BILLS THAT COUNSELORS ARE INTERESTED IN AND I CAN REVIEW AND, AND PROVIDE YOU AN EXAMPLE OR A, WHETHER I THINK IT'S A, UH, SOMETHING IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR THE CITY TO WEIGH IN OR, OR NOT.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, COUNCIL'S, UH, FREE TO DECIDE THAT AS WELL.
SO, UH, I'LL TURN THE TIME OVER TO KATHY FOR A MINUTE FOR UPDATE FROM THE, FROM THE CITY'S LOBBYISTS.
MAYOR COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY.
UM, WANTED TO QUICKLY JUST TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, UH, THE GOVERNOR HAS TO PUT OUT A BUDGET FOR THE CONSTITUTION AFTER THE FIRST WEEK OF SESSION.
SO THAT WAS MET WITH A LOT OF HOSTILITY, UM, BY THE, BY THE REPUBLICANS AND THE LEGISLATURE.
THEY CLAIMED THAT SHE HAD PRODUCED AN UN IMBALANCED BUDGET AND THAT SOME OF HER ESTIMATION ESTIMATIONS IN THE BUDGET.
'CAUSE IT'S A THREE YEAR PROJECTED BUDGET, BUSY OFF BY AS MUCH AS 800 MILLION.
UM, AND THAT ALSO WE'VE JUST NOW RECENTLY HEARD THAT, UH, SOME OF OUR AGENCIES HAVE COME IN FOR 340 MILLION IN, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING.
UM, 122 MILLION OF THAT IS IN THE DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES THAT HAS THAT COMMUNITY IN AN UPROAR RIGHT NOW.
UM, HOW THE LEGISLATURE IS LOOKING AT IT IS THEY THINK THAT THERE IS AROUND $200 MILLION TO SPEND, UH, TO PUT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF PUT IN THE BOX AS THEY CALL IT, UM, OF SPENDING.
BUT BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE, THERE'S NO CONSENSUS OF HOW TO SPEND THOSE DOLLARS.
THE SENATE WANTS TO, UM, CALL IT KIND OF THE OPRAH APPROACH, UH, TO GIVE EVERY REPUBLICAN, UH, SENATOR 10 TO $12 MILLION AND SAY, SUSPEND IT HOWEVER YOU LIKE.
UM, BUT IN ORDER TO, FOR US TO TAKE YOUR PRIORITIES, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE A YES ON THE BUDGET.
THE HOUSE DOESN'T REALLY LIKE THAT MODEL, SO THERE DOESN'T REALLY SEEM TO BE A LOT OF CONSENSUS BETWEEN THE TWO CHAMBERS ON HOW TO CONSTRUCT THE BUDGET.
UM, BUT WHAT WE ARE HEARING FROM THE HOUSE IS THAT THEY WANT TO GET AT LEAST SOMETHING OUT ON PAPER BY THE END OF THE MONTH AND THAT THEY ARE SHOOTING FOR, UM, HAVING A BUDGET KNOWN IN APRIL.
'CAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GONE UNTIL JUNE OR JULY, LIKE THE LAST THREE OR FOUR SESSIONS, WHICH IS JUST MISERABLE.
UM, AND IF THEY COULD, AND, BUT SOME OF IT IS NOT JUST THAT THEY WANT TO BE GREAT AND FOLLOW THE A HUNDRED DAY SCHEDULE, IT'S REALLY THAT THEY WANT TO BE DONE BEFORE, UH, THE FED DO THE RECONCILIATION BILL IN APRIL.
AND SO THEY THINK IF THEY'RE OUT OF SESSION, WHATEVER COMES FROM THAT, THEY COULD PICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND SAY, OH, WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT IN THE 2026 LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
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AND IF IT'S REALLY, REALLY BAD, WE'LL HAVE A SPECIAL SESSION.AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT ON, UM, ON THE BUDGET, UM, OR ITEMS THAT ARE REALLY DETRIMENTAL TO, UM, THE, THE CITIES.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, AND AS YOU KNOW, CITIES DOESN'T HAVE A FOOD TAX.
UM, BUT THAT IS A HUGE ONE FOR THE CITIES RIGHT NOW.
THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO GET RID OF, UH, OR ELIMINATE THE FOOD TAX.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WATCHING THAT.
AND THEN, AND THEN THE OTHER ONES THAT WE'RE REALLY WATCHING ARE THE HOUSING BILL, UM, THAT ARE OUT THERE, UH, AND SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
AND, AND, AND I THINK EARLIER ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS MENTIONED SENATOR ORTIZ, YOU KNOW, HAS KIND OF TEAMED UP WITH SOME REPUBLICANS ON SENATE BILL 1229.
AND SO THOSE ARE MOVING IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW, BUT THE LEAGUE AND OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, UH, YEOMAN'S WORK IN IN, IN OPPOSING THOSE BILLS RIGHT NOW.
SO I'LL PAUSE THERE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BUDGET OR IF ANYONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT HOUSING BEFORE I SEGUE INTO SHORT TERM RENTALS.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, LET'S JUST MOVE ON.
KATHY, IS THE REASON THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE ASKING, OR ASSUMING THAT THE BUDGET IS OUT OF, OUT OF BALANCE, IS THAT BECAUSE OF EDUCATION FUNDS 1 23 OR NOT BEING ACCOUNTED FOR? NO, WE'RE ACTUALLY REVENUES HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN, UH, GOOD MM-HMM
AND ABOVE WHAT THEY HAD PREDICTED IN THE, YOU KNOW, UM, EARLIER IN THE LAST BUDGET CYCLE LAST YEAR.
UM, WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS BECAUSE THEY BUDGET, UH, WHEN THEY DO BUDGETING, IT'S A THREE YEAR LOOKOUT.
AND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THAT THE GOV, BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR DIDN'T DO KIND OF SOME OF THE ESTIMATIONS LIKE ON ACCESS POPULATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER POPULATIONS, THEY'RE SAYING THAT, THAT HER ESTIMATIONS ARE INCORRECT ON THAT.
AND SO THEREFORE IT, BY THE THIRD YEAR, IT PUTS THE BUDGET OUT OF BALANCE BY, YOU KNOW, BY 800, POTENTIALLY $800 MILLION.
YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON KIND OF HOW YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT.
YOU COULD ABSOLUTELY ARGUE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, VOUCHERS, YOU KNOW, ARE A BILLION DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, BUDGET LINE ITEM NOW.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, COULD THAT BE THE REASON? AND SO, BUT, UM, BUT IN REALITY, REVENUES HAVE KEPT, YOU KNOW, HAVE KEPT, KEPT UP.
UM, AND IN FACT, WE RIGHT NOW ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, LIKE A $200 MILLION SURPLUS.
AND SO IT REALLY HAS TO DO WITH, UM, THE DIFFERENCES IN HOW THE, THE LEGISLATURE IS LOOKING AT HOW SHE ESTIMATED THREE YEARS OUT IN THE BUDGET.
UM, AND THEY FEEL THAT SHE DID IT ERR IT'S, IT'S ERRONEOUS.
IT'S KIND OF PART OF THE BIGGER THEME OF, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO THROW STICKS AND STONES AT ANYTHING THAT THE GOVERNOR IS DOING.
RIGHT? AND NOT, NOT TO GET POLITICAL, BUT YOU KNOW, THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS ARE COMING UP IN 2026 AND YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE SENATE PRESIDENT RUNNING FOR, YOU KNOW, ATTORNEY GENERAL.
AND, AND SO THERE, THERE'S JUST A, A, A, A SUB LAYER TO EVERYTHING, UM, ABOUT THE, I THINK THE UPCOMING ELECTIONS, EVEN THOUGH WE JUST HAD ONE MM-HMM
UM, BUT THAT'S VERY MUCH KIND OF THE POLITICS ARE ON, YOU KNOW, ON HIGH, UM, AT THE CAPITOL RIGHT NOW.
WHICH YOU COULD ARGUE IS ALWAYS HOW THEY ARE.
BE VERY, HE EVEN MORE HEIGHTENED THIS YEAR AND HOW THEY'RE HANDLING THEIR RELATIONSHIP AND KIND OF DIALOGUE, YOU KNOW, IN SOCIAL MEDIA WITH THE GOVERNOR RIGHT NOW.
ALRIGHT, KATHY, MOVING ALONG TO SHORT TERM, I WOULDN.
KATHY'S 12 SHORT TERM RENTAL BILLS.
COUNCILOR FURMAN HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
KATHY HAS BEEN ASSIGNING BILLS TO COMMITTEE.
THE HOUSE LATER HAS NOT ASSIGNED A SINGLE ONE OF THEM TO A COMMITTEE.
SO THEY GOT INTRODUCED AND FIRST READ, BUT THE, UH, BUT THE SPEAKER IS REFUSING TO MOVE ANY OF THE BILLS TO SAY LIKE, IT'LL GO TO GOVERNMENT OR COMMERCE OR WHEREVER.
UM, I HAD A MEETING WITH THE SPEAKER AND HIS STAFF LAST WEEK, AND, UM, IT WAS PROFESSIONALLY, IT WAS A VERY DISAPPOINTING MEETING AND, UM,
THERE WAS A LOT OF ARGUING THAT OCCURRED.
AND BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE CHIEF OF STAFF SHOWED ME THE STACK OF BILLS THAT WAS JUST PRETTY MUCH LIKE, WE'RE NOT GONNA ASSIGN ANY OF THESE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL ASSIGN 'EM AT THE VERY LAST DAY OF SESSION BECAUSE THEY'RE STATUTORILY REQUIRED TO ASSIGN THEM.
BUT HE WAS JUST LIKE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THESE.
AND WE HAD A HUGE ARGUMENT ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, LET'S SAY IT WAS A VERY NASTY, UNCOMFORTABLE, UM, CONVERSATION WITH THE SPEAKER.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST NOT GONNA HAVE ANY HELP THERE AS LONG AS CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE ARE, YOU
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KNOW, ON STAFF ADVOCATING FOR PAST EMPLOYERS.AND, AND SO SAME TIME WE'VE PIVOTED ON THE STRATEGY.
AND BEFORE I TALK A LITTLE BIT, WE'LL GO BACK TO, SO THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR BILLS REALLY THAT WERE OUT OF THE 12.
THERE'S REALLY FOUR THAT, THAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
ONE OF THEM IS 2308, WHICH IS OUR BILL, THE LEAGUE BILL THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE CAPS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVING CITIES THE ABILITY TO PUT CAPS ON HOW MANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND WHERE THEY COULD BE LOCATED.
THE OTHER ONE, UM, HEARD MENTIONED 2316, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY TAX CLASSIFICATION BILL.
UM, THEN THERE'S ONE, UH, THAT, THAT SCOTTSDALE IS PUSHING THAT'S ON THE, THE VIOLATIONS, UM, PART OF IT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE THREE VERIFIED VIOLATIONS IN ORDER TO REVOKE, UM, AN AIRBNB LICENSE.
AND, UM, SENATOR KAVANAUGH IS LOOKING TO REDUCE THAT NUMBER.
AND THEN THE FOURTH ONE, UM, WHICH ACTUALLY WAS ASSIGNED TO SENATE GOVERNMENT IS 1609, WHICH IS, UM, SENATOR CHE'S, UH, BILL TO BASICALLY REPEAL THE ENTIRE SHORT TERM RENTAL STATUTE.
AND SO THAT'S THE UNIVERSE OF BILLS THAT, THAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THAT HAVE PEOPLE WORRIED.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS ANECDOTE TO SHARE WITH YOU, I WAS AT A A PAC FUNDRAISER LAST WEEK AND I RAN INTO BOTH THE AIRBNB AND THE UM, UH, VRBO, UH, EXPEDIA, UM, LOBBYISTS, AND THEY BOTH SAID, MAN, YOU GUYS ARE MAKING ME EARN MY MONEY THIS YEAR.
SO, UM, SO WE'VE BEEN REALLY BUSY ON THAT AND I THINK, UM, WE'VE GOT SOME IDEAS TO BE EVEN BUSIER, UM, IN THE NEXT WEEK BEFORE, UH, THE BILL DEADLINE.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT NOW AT OPTIONS OF, UM, DOING A STRIKER BILL.
UM, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT FLOOR AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE, UM, TEEING UP.
AND, UM, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO JUST HAVING, WE'VE TALKED TO EVERY, I THINK EVERY MEMBER IN THE THE HOUSE, UH, DEMOCRAT CAUCUS.
UM, AND WE'VE HIT, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE REPUBLICANS.
UM, AND WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH, UM, SUSAN EDWARDS AND HER GROUP, UM, THEY HAVE A, A LARGE, UM, CONTINGENCY OF FOLKS THAT THEY COMMUNICATE THAT ARE WAITING TO BE UNLEASHED ON THIS BILL.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON TRYING TO FIND, UM, YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK WE FOUND ONE, BUT IT'S STILL VERY MUCH IN THE, UM, INFANCY STAGE, JUST, UH, BEFORE THIS CALL HAS SOME GOOD NEWS, UM, THAT HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO SHARE ONCE I HAVE SOMETHING MORE CONCRETE WITH YOU ALL SOON.
UM, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, AT THE CAPITOL EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW, BOOTS ON THE GROUND, UM, TRYING TO PUSH THIS, BUT THERE JUST SEEMS TO BE A COUPLE INDIVIDUALS IN KEY PLACES THAT ARE, UM, JUST IMPEDIMENTS TO HAVING ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SHARED WITH, UH, WITH THE SPEAKER IS THIS PROBLEM'S NOT GETTING SMALLER AND IT'S NOT GONNA GET QUIETER, AND YOU NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU CAN PROTECT YOUR MEMBERS OR JUST EVEN HAVE A DIALOGUE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS, IT'S TIME TO TAKE A LOOK BACK AND SEE IF THIS IS REALLY THE BEST THING FOR, FOR ARIZONA AND ESPECIALLY FOR RURAL ARIZONA.
AND SO, UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WE HAVE SOME VERY POSITIVE THINGS ON THE HORIZON, UM, BUT JUST GONNA BE A LOT MORE WORK AND THAT'S WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR.
SO FOR THAT, I'LL MAYOR, I'LL PAUSE THERE AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
KATHY, I JUST WANT TO VERIFY SOMETHING THAT THE VICE MAYOR JUST TOLD ME.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT MONTE NEGRO'S CHIEF OF STAFF IS THE SAME AS TOMAS CHIEF OF CHIEF OF STAFF? YES, SIR.
AND THAT'S WHY, BECAUSE HE, DIDN'T HE COME FROM AIRBNB? NO.
UH, GOLDWATER INSTITUTE, WHEN WE TALKED TO HIM WITH SPEAKER TOOMA, HE, HE CAME FROM THE GOLDWATER INSTITUTE.
SO WHEN, SO HE HELPED CRAFT THAT BILL, THAT PARTICULAR GENTLEMAN, SO, OKAY.
AND, AND MAYOR, I'LL SHARE WITH YOU THAT, THAT, UH, AT ONE POINT WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT IT BEING, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS, YOU KNOW, OLD AND LOOKING BACK, I CALLED IT, YOU KNOW, LOOK, IT WAS AN EXPERIMENT.
WE WERE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS KIND OF A MOMENT IN TIME WHEN WE WERE DOING WAYMO AND, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE GIG ECONOMY AND, AND YOU KNOW, ARIZONA WAS VERY MUCH ON KIND OF LIKE THE FRONT EDGE OF EXPERIMENTING WITH A LOT OF THESE BILLS.
AND, UH, I, UH, APPARENTLY EXTREMELY OFFENDED HIM BY CALLING THE AIRBNB REAL EXPERIMENTAL
UM, SO, ALRIGHT, UH, PETE, YOU HAD A QUESTION AT ONE POINT.
HE SHARED THAT, UM, MY ARGUMENTS WERE ORWELLIAN
AND SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS, YOU KIND OF GET THE LITTLE BIT OF A FLAVOR FOR IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE NICE STUFF FROM THE MEETING.
UH, PETE FERMAN HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU AND I HAVE SOME MORE.
HI, KATHY, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES, SIR.
YOU MENTIONED THE, UH, SB 1229, THE, UH, BILL FROM MY FRIEND, SENATOR ORTIZ AND HERNANDEZ, UM
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MM-HMMWHAT'S THE, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE STATUS.
HAS IT BEEN ASSIGNED TO COMMITTEE? IS IT? YES.
UM, AND COUNCILMAN, I'M SORRY.
I, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE THE PROTOCOL TO GO THROUGH THE MA GO THROUGH THE CHAIR WITH THE MAYOR AND I CAN'T SEE WHO'S SPEAKING, SO PLEASE APOLOGIZE FOR MY, MY PROTOCOL.
SLIGHT, UM, 1229 DID PASS, UM, FEBRUARY 5TH OUT OF THE HOUSE REGULATORY AFFAIRS COMMITTEE, UH, FIVE TWO, AND THEN THE HOUSE VERSION OF THAT PASSED OUT, UM, BACK ON JANUARY 28TH OUT OF HOUSE COMMERCE EIGHT TO TWO.
SO, SO BOTH MOVE BILLS HAVE MOVED.
I THINK THEY'VE BOTH BEEN THROUGH RULES, BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE FLOOR YET.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO TRACK THAT BILL, KURT, THAT'LL BE IN YOUR UPDATES.
AND THEN THE OTHER BILL THAT I HAVE SOME INTEREST IN, KATHY, JUST BECAUSE I'M ON NAA, AND IT SEEMS TO ME, UH, OUR NAA, WHICH NORTHERN ARIZONA MUNICIPAL WATER USERS ASSOCIATION, WE'RE GONNA, IT SEEMS THE HIGHEST ENERGY BILL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS THE RURAL GROUNDWATER HB 27 14.
AND SO I WOULD JUST APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHT AS I THINK ABOUT MY PARTICIPATION IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS AT NAMA.
WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER? YEAH, SO THERE'S ALSO 27 IN THE SENATE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS 1425.
UM, I, I WAS ACTUALLY AT THE GOVERNOR'S PRESS CONFERENCE WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE DROPPING THIS RURAL GROUNDWATER MANAGEMENT BILL.
UM, AND AGAIN, NOT TO GET SUPER POLITICAL, BUT YOU KNOW, UM, BOTH OF THOSE BILLS ARE INTRODUCED BY, UH, DEMOCRAT MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE.
AND, UM, BEING THE REPUBLICANS CONTROL BOTH CHAMBERS, NOT MANY DEMOCRAT BILLS RECEIVE HEARINGS.
SO THE STRATEGY THAT I WAS, THAT WAS SHARED WITH ME ON THESE TWO BILLS WAS THAT IT WAS REALLY MEANT TO BE KIND OF LIKE A MARKER, YOU KNOW, LIKE A STRATEGY POINT.
BECAUSE WE KNOW IN THE PAST YOU'VE HAD, LIKE REPRESENTATIVE GRIFFIN, UM, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR HER BILL SENT, UH, SENATE BILL, UH, 1221 THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT.
UM, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS ASSUMED TO BE THE STARTING POINT FOR THIS YEAR.
UM, THAT, THAT WHAT THE GOVERNOR DID IN LIKE 27, 14 IN 1425 WAS REALLY JUST TO KIND OF PUT OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, I I, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF RURAL FOLKS THERE AT THE TRUST CONFERENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, WERE STANDING BEHIND THE GOVERNOR, GOVERNOR WAS AT THE PODIUM.
UM, BUT THERE'S BEEN, I HAVE HEARD, UM, WHEN I WAS TALKING TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE THE OTHER DAY, THEY ASKED ME IF I HAD HEARD ABOUT BACKLASH, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THE RURAL, UH, YOU KNOW, SUPERVISORS AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE AT THE MEETING.
AND, UM, I ALSO REPRESENT LA PAZ COUNTY, WHO HAD A SUPERVISOR AT THE COM AT, AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE.
AND SHE HASN'T RECEIVED ANY BACKLASH FROM HER COMMUNITY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING WITH WATER IS GOING TO BE SUPER VOLATILE.
BUT LIKE I SAID, GOING BACK TO 27, 14 IS REALLY JUST A, LIKE, WE'RE PUTTING KIND OF OUR CARDS ON THE TABLE IN WRITING OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND, YOU KNOW, SOME RURAL LEADER, RURAL LEADERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN GROUNDWATER BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO 1221 LAST YEAR.
UM, AND SO, SO I I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS HELPFUL, BUT THAT'S KIND OF, I THINK, HOW PEOPLE VIEW 27 14 AS AS A STARTING POINT FOR THE NEGOTIATIONS.
AND, AND I'VE ALREADY SEEN SOME OF THE LOCAL VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITIES THAT WITHIN NAMAR ARE, MAYBE THERE IS SOME BACKLASH STARTING TO FORM, AND I, I'VE YET TO UNDERSTAND, REALLY DIVE INTO WHAT THEIR ARGUMENTS AGAINST HAVE BEEN.
SO, UH, I'M, I, I, KURT, I'M ALSO INTERESTED, IF YOU REALLY DON'T THINK THIS IS A SEDONA THING, THEN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T NEED TO ENGAGE SO DEEPLY, BUT I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN TRACKING THIS BILL THROUGH YEAH, SIR.
I, I WOULD RE I WOULD RECOMMEND WE STAY ON TOP OF IT, UM, BECAUSE I THINK IF THERE IS GONNA BE ANY CONSENSUS, IT'S GONNA BE SOME COMPROMISE WITH 27 14 AND KIND OF WHAT THE, UM, REPRESENTATIVE GRIFFIN AND FOLKS IN THE AG COMMUNITY WANT.
UM, OR THE GOVERNOR'S NOT GONNA SIGN IT.
AND SO, UM, BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO STAY IN THAT CONVERSATION OR STAY AWARE OF THAT CONVERSATION, UM, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF THEY'RE ABLE TO FIND CONSENSUS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA AFFECT US.
SO EVEN THOUGH 27 14 MAY NEVER GET A HEARING, IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT, I, I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD MEAN WE SHOULDN'T BE VERY ACTIVELY MONITORING AND ENGAGED, YOU KNOW, IN THE OVERALL KIND OF DEBATE CONVERSATION ON RURAL GROUNDWATER OR JUST, YOU KNOW, WATER POLICY THAT AFFECTS US.
SO I DON'T WANNA BE NEGATIVE ABOUT THE BILL, BUT I, YOU KNOW, BUT I, YOU KNOW, TO, SO WHERE WE WOULDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO IT, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD AND KIND OF WATCH AS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONVERSATION OF EMERGES.
BECAUSE I THINK WITH WATER THIS YEAR, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A STRAIGHT UP BILL.
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YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF CLOSED DOOR STAKEHOLDER MEETING, YOU KNOW, UM, KINDA CONVERSATIONS, UM, WITH LARGE STAKEHOLDER GROUPS.SO CLOSED DOOR DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE AREN'T THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEN IT'LL BE THAT KIND OF PROCESS, AND THEN THEY'LL COME OUT WITH A BILL AND PASS IT.
SO THERE, THERE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO WEIGH IN ON A BILL, UM, VERSUS WORKING WITH AMWA OR, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER, THE OTHER GROUP THAT YOU MENTIONED, UM, WOULD BE A GREAT WAY TO STAY AT THE TABLE ON THIS.
I WOULD GONNA TRY TO KEEP THIS MOVING.
UH, KURT, DID YOU, UH, HAVE ANYTHING MORE, I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE RESOLUTIONS THAT WE'VE DONE ONCE, ONCE KATHY'S UH, DONE.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE COUNCILLOR KINSELLA HAS A QUESTION.
IS THIS THE TIME WHERE YOU WANT A SUGGESTION OF ANOTHER BILL FOR CONSIDERATION? BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON YOUR LIST, BUT I KNOW IT'S WHEN THAT THE LEAGUE IS TRACKING.
SO ISN'T THIS A TIME FOR ME TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND ASK ABOUT IT? YEAH.
KATHY, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE HAD ANYTHING ELSE.
YEAH, I, YEAH, I'M OKAY JUST HERE TO ASK YOUR QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
SO THEN, YEAH, THANK YOU, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCILOR.
SO I WILL PUT ON H HP 27 14, THE WA THE WATER BILL.
UM, I KNOW, UH, COUNCILOR FURMAN AND I HAD A DISCUSSION ON IT, AND THERE WERE SOME NEGATIVE THINGS IN IT, I FELT LIKE, BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOME POSITIVE TOO.
UM, AND SO, UH, AND IF IT'S JUST A PLACEHOLDER, I'LL, I'LL PUT IT ON AND, UH, WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO TAKE A POSITION ON IT, UM, AT THE MOMENT, BUT I'LL GET IT ON THERE FOR THE NEXT REPORT AND, AND DELVE INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE AT BOTH COUNCIL FURMAN'S AND, UH, KATHY'S SUGGESTION.
SO, UM, AND THEN OPEN FOR ANY OTHER BILLS THAT COUNSELORS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ADDED TO THE LIST.
SO, UM, HB 2 2 2 1 WOULD ACTUALLY REDUCE IF A CITY OR TOWN REDUCE A POLICE BUDGET.
THE STATE TREASURER IS REQUIRED TO WITHHOLD AN EQUIVALENT EQUIVALENT AMOUNT OF STATE SHARED REVENUE UNTIL THE BUDGET REDUCTION IS RESTORED.
SO THAT'S A REAL ATTACK ON LOCAL CONTROL AND THE ABILITY FOR CITIES AND TOWNS TO SET THEIR OWN PRIORITIES AND MANAGE THEIR OWN BUDGET.
UM, SO I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS ONE THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO GO ON RECORD AGAINST.
I ACTUALLY ADDED THAT TO MY LIST THIS MORNING TO ADD FOR THE NEXT REPORT.
UM, WE HAVE OPPOSED THE SIMILAR BILLS THE LAST TWO YEARS AS WELL.
WHAT DID I GIVE YOU THIS AFTERNOON? I MENTIONED SOMETHING.
I SAID BRING IT UP AND I FORGET WHAT THE NUMBER WAS.
THIS SENATE BILL 1554, WHICH IS THIS ORTIZ BILL, SENATOR ORTIZ'S BILL ON RENTAL ASSISTANCE FUND.
KATHY, DO YOU HAVE A, DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT BILL AND DO YOU HAVE A PERSPECTIVE ON WHETHER IT'LL GO ANYWHERE? UM, DO YOU HAVE A BILL NUMBER ON THAT? I CAN LOOK.
1554, I THOUGHT 1229 WAS THE T'S BILL ON RENTAL ASSISTANCE.
SO 1229 IS THE, THE BSUI BULLOCK BILL ON HOME DESIGN RESTRICTIONS AND PROHIBITIONS RIGHT THERE.
I MEANT TO SPEAK ON THE ONE YOU'RE SPEAKING TO.
SO THAT'S A, YEAH, THAT ONE'S ON OUR LIST TO OPPOSE THE 1554 WAS, YEAH.
ONE ALMA HERNANDEZ, I DON'T HAVE THAT BILL NUMBER.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS ORTIZ, WHICH IS 1554, BOTH HAVING TO DO WITH RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS, BUT NOT MIRROR BILLS.
SO THAT, SO THE ORTIZ BILL WAS ASSIGNED TO REGULATORY SENATE REGULATORY AFFAIRS AND ALSO TO APPROPRIATIONS, BECAUSE THERE'S MONEY YEAH.
SO THERE'S ONE WEEK LEFT TO HEAR BILLS.
AND SO, UM, SO WE'LL KNOW TOMORROW AFTERNOON, THURSDAY MORNING IF IT MADE AN AGENDA OR NOT.
UM, MY GUESS IS, IS BECAUSE THERE'S MONEY ASSOCIATED WITH IT, UM, THAT IT WILL KIND OF BE PART OF THE BUDGET CONVERSATION IF REPUBLICANS WANT IT TO BE.
AND SO, UM, SO, AND, AND IF I'M SENATOR ORTIZ SAYS IN THE MINORITY, UM, I'M, YEP.
DOING EVERYTHING I CAN TO TRY TO GET THAT TO BE IN THE MIX.
UM, BUT I WOULDN'T IF I WAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HANDICAPPING THIS, YOU KNOW, AS A BETTING PERSON, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOT MUCH OF A CHANCE, AT LEAST AS A BILL MOVING FORWARD, UM, SOMETHING POTENTIALLY IN THE BUDGET, POSSIBLY.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THERE, THERE'S JUST NOT GONNA BE A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY AVAILABLE IN THE BUDGET.
SO, UM, MY GUESS IS THIS GOES UNDERGROUND IN THE BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS IF IT GOES ANYWHERE, BUT PROBABLY NOT GONNA MOVE FORWARD AS A BILL AND THE GOVERNOR THOUGH, AT HER PRIORITIES
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HOUSING.COULD YOU TALK ABOUT HOUSING IN GENERAL, NOT JUST SHORT TERM RENTALS, BUT HOUSING AND WHERE, WHERE YOU THINK THAT'S GONNA WIND UP? Y YEAH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A TRICKY ONE.
'CAUSE I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, EARLIER I TALKED ABOUT HOW KIND OF THE VITRIOLIC, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING AT THE CAPITOL IS, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND ANYTHING THE GOVERNOR SAID IN HER STATE OF THE STATE SPEECH WAS KIND OF MET WITH REPUBLICANS AS YOU KNOW, WELL THEN THAT MEANS WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA DO IT.
SO WHATEVER SHE SAID, WE'RE GONNA BE OBSTINATE, SAY WE'RE GONNA DO THE OPPOSITE.
AND NOT TO THROW SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THERE, BUT BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR TALKED ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS AND PARTY HOUSES, I HAD STAFF SAY TO ME RIGHT AFTER THE SPEECH, WELL, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S NOT GREAT NEWS FOR YOU BECAUSE SHE SAID SHORT TERM RENTALS.
AND SO REPUBLICANS AREN'T GONNA WANT TO DO ANYTHING ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS BECAUSE SHE SAID THAT IN HER SPEECH.
AND SO, UM, SO I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME, UM, SOME IMPETUS TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, ON HOUSING.
BUT I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE KIND OF THESE, YOU KNOW, BILLS LIKE 1229 AND 2371 THAT, THAT ARE, AGAIN, MORE PREEMPTION BILLS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND SO YOU COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR VETOING THOSE, PRESIDENT PETERSON HAS SAID, YOU KNOW, LOOK, IF WE CAN'T GET CONSENSUS WITH THE GOVERNOR ON CERTAIN BILLS AND CERTAIN ISSUES THAT SHE'S CONTINUALLY VETOED, THEN WE'RE JUST GONNA START REFERRING THEM TO THE BALLOT.
AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE A DOZEN OR MORE LEGISLATIVE REFERRALS ON THE 2026 NOVEMBER BALLOT, UM, JUST AS A RESPONSE TO THE GOVERNOR VETOING OR NOT WANTING TO, YOU KNOW, COMPROMISE ON THINGS.
AND SO I COULD SEE POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, HOUSING KIND OF FALLING INTO THAT.
LIKE IF SHE VETOES, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE BILLS THAT ARE COMING UP, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY MAY PIVOT AND TRY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY YET.
BUT, UM, BUT THE PRESIDENT WAS KIND OF LIKE, IF SHE WAS GONNA KEEP YEAR AFTER YEAR VETOING THINGS, THEN WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT REFERRALS AND
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, REMEMBER WHEN SOMETHING AT THE BALLOT PASSES IT'S VOTER PROTECTED AND THE LEGISLATURE CAN'T TOUCH IT FOR I THINK TWO OR FIVE YEARS, I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW, WHAT IT IS.
BUT THEN AFTER THAT, THEY CAN ONLY FURTHER THE ACT.
SO THEY CAN ONLY KIND OF GO MORE INTO WHAT IT WAS.
THEY CAN'T TAKE ANYTHING AWAY, AND THEN IT REQUIRES A THREE FOURTH VOTE IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
SO THESE BALLOT REFERRALS ARE, IN MY OPINION, DANGEROUS.
UM, BECAUSE OF THAT FACT IS THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD AMEND SOMETHING OR FIX SOMETHING IS GO BACK TO THE VOTERS AND ASK THEM TO CHANGE IT.
UM, AND SO, UM, SO THAT COULD BE A, A, A TACTIC BY, YOU KNOW, BY THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP IF SHE VETOES OR, YOU KNOW, IF SHE CAN'T FIND CONSENSUS ON THINGS LIKE HOUSING THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO COME TO ANY, I DUNNO, AGREEMENT ON IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
SO MAYOR AND COUNSEL, WE'LL STILL BE, CONTINUE TO BE, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LEAGUE AND CITIES, YOU KNOW, AGAINST WHAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE DOING.
AND, UM, AND I'M SORRY, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF YOU HAVE IN YOUR LIST, BUT LIKE 1698 IS THE KIND OF THE STARTER HOME, UM, BILL THAT THE LEAGUE IS RUNNING TO OFFER, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SOME, INSTEAD OF THE LEAGUE.
AND THE CITY'S ALWAYS BEING LIKE, NO, WE HATE YOUR BILLS.
YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THAT WAS POSITIVE.
AND SO 1698 IS, IS THAT BILL THAT WOULD, UM, PRIORITIZE THE PORTABILITY, UM, BUT THEN ALSO ENSURE THAT TRULY IS KIND OF LOW LIMITED INCOME FOLKS THAT COULD BUY THOSE PROPERTIES.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO BE 120% OF THE POVERTY LINE IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR TO BUY THAT HOME.
UM, AND THERE'S MORE TO IT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE, IN THE HIGH LEVEL OF, OF THAT ONE, I DID NOT INCLUDE THAT ONE BECAUSE IT, IF I RECALL RIGHT, THE LEAGUE, IT WAS ONLY FOR CITIES THAT ARE, UH, ABOVE LIKE 70,000, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
SO, BUT I'LL, I'LL LOOK AT IT, UM, AGAIN.
SO I HAVE, I, SORRY, I DIDN'T READ IT THAT CLOSELY, BUT, BUT THE LEAGUE IS TRYING, AND IT'S KIND OF THE SAME STRATEGY THAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE WATER BILL, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT COULD BE A NEGOTIATING POINT, UM, TO JUST PUT IT ON PAPER AND SAY, YOU KNOW, LOOK, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT 1698 REALLY IS.
SO I HAVE ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU COUNSEL THE, THE LIST OF BILLS WITH THE PROPOSED, UH, POSITION, UH, WHICH IS, UH, THE LEAGUE AND STAFF'S POSITION FOR OR AGAINST.
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UM, WE CAN GO THROUGH 'EM INDIVIDUALLY IF YOU'D LIKE.UH, I KNOW YOU'VE ALL LOOKED AT 'EM, REVIEWED 'EM AS WELL.
SO I THINK, UM, UNLESS I HEAR AN OBJECTION, I'LL MOVE FORWARD THAT WAY.
UM, OR WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO DISCUSS ANY SPECIFIC ONE THAT'S ON THE LIST? NOPE.
SO WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW.
UM, AGAIN, AT ANY TIME IF A BILL COMES TO YOUR ATTENTION OR YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IT, YOU CAN, UH, EMAIL ME OR KATHY AND WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND GET IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, BUT WE WILL GO FORWARD WITH THIS LIST OF BILLS AND THE LISTED CITY POSITION FOR THE TIME BEING.
KATHY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ON THE BILL, THE BILL THAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT FINCHEM FOR HIS REPEAL MM-HMM
I DON'T SEE MUCH, UH, THAT PROBABLY WON'T GET PAST THE PRESIDENT'S, UH, DESK EITHER.
WHAT ARE YOU HEARING ACTUALLY? YEAH, ACTUALLY, THE PRESIDENT DID ASSIGN IT TO THE GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE, AND I HAVE A MEETING ACTUALLY WITH THE GOVERNMENT CHAIR TOMORROW MORNING AT 9:00 AM.
UM, AND WE'LL BE TALKING TO HIM ABOUT IT.
UM, AND I'VE TALKED TO FINCHEM ABOUT HIM GOING TO THE CHAIRMAN, YOU KNOW, TO ASK IT TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE A FUTILE ATTEMPT, BUT AT LEAST THE PRESIDENT DID ASSIGN EVERY SHORT TERM RENTAL BILL THAT WAS INTRODUCED.
HE DID ASSIGN IT TO A COMMITTEE.
UM, AGAIN, UNLIKE THE HOUSE THAT JUST TA HAS SAT ON THE BILLS AND NOT EVEN NOT ASSIGNED THEM AT ALL, THEY'VE BEEN INTRODUCED, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY, THEY'RE SITTING.
SO, KATHY, SHOULD WE BE SUPPORTING THAT BILL FINCHEM'S REPEAL BILL? YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A LONG SHOT, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, HE, YOU KNOW, HE'S OUR SENATOR, UM, AND, AND I THINK WE WANNA SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING OUR ISSUES.
SO I, I WOULD RECOMMEND ADDING THAT TO THE LIST.
FOR SUPPORT, I'M SEEING NODS FROM YES.
WHAT'S INTERESTING, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW, 1609.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE, UH, SHARED IT WITH THE COUNCIL, BUT KURT KNOWS, ANNETTE KNOWS KATHY, YOU KNOW, UH, THE VICE MAYOR KNOWS IT.
WE MET WITH, UH, SENATOR FINCHEM AND ALL ABOUT RETURNING LOCAL CONTROL TO CITIES AND TOWNS ALL ABOUT THAT.
HE DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THE STATE SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN ANY LOCAL CONTROL.
IS THAT CORRECT, KATHY? CORRECT.
SO, ADAMANT, ADAMANT, VERY MUCH ADAMANT.
SO, SO, YOU KNOW, WE DID OUR RESOLUTION, UH, OR TWO WEEKS AGO, NO, A MONTH AGO.
SO I WENT PITCHING THE RESOLUTION TO OTHER CITIES AND TOWNS, AND, UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, ANNETTE WAS ABLE TO GET JOANNE KEEN TO HELP WITH FLAGSTAFF, BUT WE HAVE WITH US, CAMP VERDE, WINSLOW, JEROME, WILLIAMS, LAKE, HAVASU, CAVE CREEK, AND COTTONWOOD HAVE JOINED WITH US.
AND I, WE HAVE THOSE RESOLUTIONS.
WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO WITH 'EM, KATHY? YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT IF WE CAN GET A, UM, HEARING ON A STRIKER, I THINK THAT, UM, WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, I CAN WORK WITH YOU AND WE CAN CREATE A PACKET, UM, FOR ALL THE MEMBERS ON THE COMMITTEE, UM, TO SHARE, SHARE THOSE DOCUMENTS WITH THEM, UM, AS WELL AS I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN, IN, IN THE MEDIA TRYING, YOU KNOW, GETTING ATTENTION AND, AND TALKING TO FOLKS YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD INCLUDE THAT IN A PACKET, YOU KNOW, TO, TO THE MEMBERS, UM, IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET A HEARING ON THIS.
SO, EARLIER IN THIS MEETING, I MENTIONED TO THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC THAT, UH, FEBRUARY 20TH IN PRESCOTT, THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC FORUM OF AT LEAST 10, UH, MAYORS FROM THESE, SOME OF THESE CITIES, SOME OTHER CITIES.
AND I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE, TAKE A COPY OF THESE RESOLUTIONS AND BRING IT TO THAT MEETING AND DISCUSS THOSE, UH, RESOLUTIONS AT THAT MEETING.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK THAT'D BE AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS EVENT, UH, CAME FROM, UH, ONE OF SENATOR FINCHEM'S LIAISONS WITH US AND WHO'S VERY AGGRESSIVE, AND THEY FEEL THAT BY MAKING THIS EVENT HIGHLY PUBLICIZED, GONNA HAVE THE ENTIRE MEDIA OF ALL THE LOCAL TELEVISION CHANNELS, PODCASTS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND MAYBE THAT WILL MAKE A DENT IN THE SPEAKER AND TO GET THINGS MOVING FORWARD, BECAUSE NOW IT'S, EVERYBODY'S GONNA
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KNOW ABOUT IT.I, I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT I HAVE A LOT OF MAYORS ATTENDING.
A LOT OF MAYORS DIDN'T KNOW, I MEAN, THEY KNEW ABOUT SEDONA, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY, THE, THE NEW, UH, ISSUE GOING AROUND THE STATE IS THE CITY OF WILLIAMS. THEY LOST THEIR SECTION EIGHT HOUSING BECAUSE THE SHORT TERM RENTALS ABSOLUTELY CONFIRMED THE HOUSES THAT THEY USED FOR SECTION EIGHT HAVE BEEN REESTABLISHED OR RE OR SOLD TO DEVELOPERS WHO WANNA USE IT FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
UH, SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES HAVE SIMILAR ISSUES, BUT DIFFERENT, AND THE RESOLUTIONS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED ARE NOT THE SAME.
THEY'RE NOT BOILERPLATE FROM WHAT KURT WROTE.
SOME ARE EIGHT PAGES, SOME ARE 10 PAGES, SOME ARE TWO PAGES.
ALL THIS TOGETHER IS GONNA BE DISCUSSED IN PRESCOTT.
IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO JOIN US, UH, WELL, MAY WAS GONNA BE THE VICE MAYOR, BUT I'M GOING WITH THE, UH, COTTONWOOD MAYOR.
IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME, YOU CAN EITHER JOIN WITH ME OR, OR MEET US THERE.
UH, WE'RE ALL WELCOME TO ATTEND THE, THE MEETING ON THE DAY WILL BE, UH, ALL MAYORS.
AND, AND MAYOR, I, I'VE BEEN SOCIALIZING THAT EVENT, UM, WITH DIFFERENT REPORTERS DOWN DOWN HERE.
AND I BELIEVE THE, THE ARIZONA AGENDA, WHICH IS A SUB FACT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BLOG THAT THE KIND OF THE POLITICAL CLASS FOLLOWS, UM, QUITE CLOSELY, UM, IS GOING TO SEND A REPORTER, UH, ONE OF THE REPORTERS UP FOR THAT EVENT.
UM, AND I NEED TO TALK TO YOU OFFLINE.
THEY'RE INTERESTED IN TALKING TO SOME FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EXAMPLE THAT I GAVE 'EM WAS, YOU KNOW, WHOLE STREETS ARE GETTING BOUGHT UP, BUT NOW SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, WAKES UP ONE DAY AND LIVES IN A HOTEL ZONE, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, THEY'RE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO SOME OF THOSE FOLKS.
AND I, I SAID, I'M SURE THE MAYOR CAN GET YOU IN TOUCH WITH, WITH SOME OF THOSE FOLKS, SO, OH, OKAY.
UM, SO I THINK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DRIVING SOME INTEREST AND I THINK THESE RESOLUTIONS THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE THE WORK THAT MAYOR YOU'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, UM, IN THE MEDIA, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WITH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT GROUPS, UM, I THINK, I THINK IS HELPING.
AND, UM, I WANTED TO, TO SHARE, I JUST GOT AN EMAIL THAT THE LEAGUE OF CITIES IS LOOKING FOR IDEAS FOR THEIR ANNUAL LEAGUE CONFERENCE FOR PANEL, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, OFFLINE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN A REQUEST FOR THERE TO BE A RURAL SHORT TERM RENTAL PANEL, UM, UH, FOR THE ANNUAL CONFERENCE CAP ME IN.
AND, UH, KATHY, I, I TOLD YOU ABOUT ANOTHER LOBBYIST THAT I WANT YOU GET IN TOUCH WITH.
WERE YOU ABLE TO, UH, PUT THAT ON YOUR LIST FOR CALLS TO MAKE? YES, SIR.
I'LL BE PA I'LL, YEAH, I'LL BE CALLING HIM IN THE MORNING.
AND I ACTUALLY HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT MAYOR PERSONALLY, SO I FIGURED YOU WOULD.
SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL REACH OUT TO BOTH OF THEM TOMORROW OKAY.
AND THEN, UH, KATHY, SO DO YOU KNOW, UH, OUR COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST, LAUREN BROWN, HAS REACHED OUT TO, UH, A BCT TV, A BC 15, AND, UH, WHAT IT A Z SOMETHING OR OTHER? THEY, IS HE PUBLIC? YEAH, NO, IT WAS IS FAMILY IS FAMILY, THANK YOU.
WHO, THEY WERE BOTH UP HERE LAST WEEK.
WE'RE GOING TO LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THESE EVENTS AND THEY CAN BRING A FILM CREW DOWN TO, UH, THIS EVENT.
IT'S A, TO ME, IT'S, IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.
AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE LIKE FINCHEM WHO IS REALLY, UH, GUNG-HO, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE TEAMWORK.
SO, UH, WHAT ABOUT, UH, WHAT ABOUT SELENA'S BILLS? UH, KATHY? YEAH, UH, REPRESENTATIVE BLISS BILL 2308.
UM, I, I DON'T, DOES NOT APPEAR THAT IT'S GONNA GET ASSIGNED THAT, OF COURSE.
SO THERE'S NO POSSIBILITY OF MOVING IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ASSIGNED TO A COMMITTEE.
SO I, UNFORTUNATELY, I KNOW THE SPEAKER IS BOTTLING UP FOR BILL ON THIS ISSUE.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA SHARE BEFORE WE KILL THIS MEETING? NO, NO.
I, I DON'T WANNA BE THE REASON TO KEEP YOU FROM GOING HOME.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME, MAYOR.
APPRECIATE YOU, EVERYONE ELSE, AND COUNCILMAN WOMAN, UH, PLU FOR YOUR WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN PUTTING IN ON THIS.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP.
BUT DO YOU NEED TO, SEAN, DO YOU NEED TO, UH, HAVE A LOBBYIST HERE, YOU SPEAK, OR? UH, I WOULD LOVE THAT.
SO, KATHY, HANG OUT FOR A MINUTE.
WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT HERE.
SOMEBODY FROM THE, ONE PERSON FROM THE AUDIENCE FEELS HE WANTS TO SHARE SOMETHING WITH YOU.
MARCY, YOU READY WITH THE, OKAY.
SEAN SMITH, UH, RESIDENT OF SEDONA.
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SO, UM, I DON'T WANNA DISCOUNT THE YOUNG VOTE.I THINK A SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN NEEDS TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT DEMOCRACY'S BEING UNDERMINED BY THIS SPEAKER, AND WE NEED TO CONSIDER A SOCIAL DIGITAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN, MARKETING CAMPAIGN.
LIKE SPEND SOME DOLLARS, GET THE YOUNG PEOPLE TO GO TALK TO THEIR PARENTS IN HIS DISTRICT TO BE LIKE, YEAH, NO, DON'T DO THAT.
AND THAT INCLUDES BUYING BILLBOARDS, DOING A DIRECT MAILER.
I MEAN, JUST HIT HIS DISTRICT SO THAT SOMETHING HAS TO STOP THE LOG JAM.
I WAS REALLY PRESENTLY SURPRISED TO SEE THE WARREN PETERSON SOMEHOW FLIPPED AND, AND WE LISTENED TO HIM AND A ZRT, NOT, NOT ON MY WATCH IN AN A ZRT MEETING.
SO NOW I JUST DIDN'T SEE THE HOUSE COMING ALONG LIKE THIS, SO THAT'S REALLY SHOCKING.
BUT, UH, WANNA TURN YOUR ATTENTION TO THE ARIZONA AGENDA IF YOU DON'T READ THAT.
TODAY'S, UH, PUBLICATION HAD A GREAT BREAKDOWN OF HOW BILLS DIE AND DON'T WITH THE TIMELINES AND THE DEADLINES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND, UH, NOTED THAT, UH, REPEAL BILLS OFTEN ARE RARELY GO ANYWHERE.
SO THAT'S A STRIKE AGAINST JUST THE WAY THE AZ LEGISLATURE WORKS, IT SEEMS. BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S SOME IDEATION AROUND THAT.
AND THEN, UH, LASTLY, I AM GOING TO THE MAYOR'S CONFERENCE AND I HAVE THREE SEATS AVAILABLE, SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DRIVE LATE TONIGHT, BUT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN GOING GET AHOLD OF ME.
UH, WE'LL TALK OFFLINE AND, UM, ABOUT BILLBOARDS.
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND THEM.
DOES KATHY, DOES MONTENEGRO HAVE A, UH, ANY BILLBOARDS IN THIS TOWN? ANY IDEA? UH, YEAH, HE'S, UH, HE'S OVER THERE OFF THE, KIND OF THE 10 AND A 1 0 1.
IT WAS LATE FOR US, SO, BUT ACTUALLY EARLY FOR US, WE NORMALLY GOOD FOR 11 O'CLOCK, SO, ALRIGHT, WE'LL TALK DURING THE WEEK.
OKAY, KURT, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? NO, MA'AM.
I, I DO WANT TO JUST SAY ONE THING.
KATHY SENTIMENT HAS BEEN PHENOMENAL, JUST PHENOMENAL TO WORK WITH.
SHE'S JUST DONE THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
SO I JUST WANT THE COUNSEL TO KNOW THAT, UM, ITEM,
[8.e. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items]
UH, AE UH, AB 30 66 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETINGS AND AGENDA ITEMS. AND KATHY, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY MANAGER IS HOW, HOW FAR OUT DOES THIS USUALLY GO? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME ITEMS THAT ARE COMING UP THAT I DON'T SEE ON HERE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE ON A DATE FURTHER OUT OR IF THEY'RE JUST ONE OF THE ITEMS IN PARTICULAR.I WAS MENTIONED TO YOU, I THINK WHEN I MET WITH YOU MONDAY, WHICH IS, UH, PICKLEBALL REGULATIONS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE COMING BACK ON.
THAT'S COMING UP, RIGHT? SO MY QUESTION IS
SO HOW, HOW IS THAT ON A DATE THAT'S FURTHER OUT THAN HERE, OR IT'LL BE PLUGGED INTO WHAT WE HAVE AND HOW FAR OUT SHOULD THIS LISTING USUALLY GO? UM, THANK YOU COUNSELOR GONZAL FOR THE QUESTION.
SO, UM, THAT ITEM SPECIFICALLY ASKED TO GO TO PNZ FIRST BEFORE WE PUT IT ONTO YOUR CALENDAR.
UM, WE ANTICIPATE IT'S GONNA COME BEFORE YOU, I DON'T KNOW, LATE MARCH, EARLY APRIL, APRIL, MARCH WILL BE P AND Z MOST LIKELY.
AND SO THEN A MONTH LATER, SO THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL.
SO ONCE WE KNOW, SO IT'S JUST NOT ALWAYS UP TO DATE THE, THE LIST, BUT IT IS OUT THERE.
UM, AS FAR AS HOW FAR OUT THIS CALENDAR, THE, THE ACTUAL LIVE DOCUMENT GOES RIGHT NOW IT'S OUT TO JULY 9TH FOR STAFF TO BE PLACING ITEMS ONTO IT.
UM, I DID GET SOME FEEDBACK THAT YOU WANT THE COMPLETE LIVING DOCUMENT, EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF THAT STUFF IS VERY TENTATIVE AND DOESN'T HAVE COMPLETE TITLES YET.
UM, SO I CAN TALK TO JOANNE ABOUT THAT ONCE SHE PREPARES THE PACKET.
UM, I GUESS BY THE TIME WE GET AROUND TO TALKING ABOUT IT, IT WON'T BE A COLD WEATHER PROGRAM ANYMORE, BUT I WANT TO, I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION ON THE COLD WEATHER PROGRAM AMONGST OURSELVES, UM, TIGHTENING IT UP.
BUT IF WE HAVE IT NOW AND IT'S NOT COLD, WE NEED FOR NEXT YEAR ANYWAY, SO IT'S STILL RIGHT.
BUT I, I JUST THINK WE SHOULD SET SOME PARAMETERS FOR THAT.
NOT, MAYBE NOT LEAVE IT AS OKAY.
SO, UM, I NEED, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY DISCUSSION? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR TO COME FORWARD? SO TO KNOW IF YOU KNOW WE SUPPORT OR NOT? IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED OR IS THIS YOU'LL GIVE FOR FURTHER INFORMATION? I THINK WE WANNA GO A LITTLE, I MEAN, I JUST WANNA GO A LITTLE FURTHER ENGAGE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL'S VIEW ON, IS THIS A, YOU KNOW, IS THIS AN EMERGENCY MEASURE OR IS THIS A, YOU KNOW, I I GUESS I VIEWED IT GOING INTO THIS THING AS THIS IS SORT OF AN EMERGENCY MEASURE FOR THE POLICE TO USE.
KURT, SHUT ME DOWN IF I'M CAN.
YOU TALK TO KURT AND ANNETTE ABOUT THAT AND IF
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YOU DON'T GET THE ANSWER YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, THEN UH, THEN WE'LL PR WE'LL TALK ABOUT FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.I'VE KIND OF ALREADY TALKED TO ANNETTE ABOUT IT.
WELL, I JUST WANT TO, I I, AND MAYBE YOU GUYS ARE DONE, MAYBE YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANYMORE, BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A PERCEPTION IN THE PUBLIC THAT THIS IS A, A WOMAN FUZZY AND NOT EMERGENCY.
ENJOY YOUR STAY FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE.
AND I THINK THAT ONE, WE COULD TIGHTEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND ALSO INFORM THE PUBLIC THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT, THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS IS INTENDED FOR.
I, I, I SUPPORT THE DISCUSSION, BUT I'D LIKE STAFF TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTION OF WHAT THAT DISCUSSION SHOULD BE.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO PUT A TOPIC OUT THERE THAT'S NOT MORE DEFINED.
SO SHOULD I TALK TO ANNETTE A LITTLE BIT MORE OR KURT OR YEAH.
WOULD I UNDER THANK YOU COUNSELOR FAF.
UM, WHAT I UNDERSTOOD WHEN YOU WERE ASKING ME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROGRAM, UM, IT SOUNDED TO ME LIKE, UM, MORE CLARITY ON WHEN, WHAT THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA IS AND WHEN THE PROGRAM WILL BE USED SO THAT THERE'S CLEAR DEFINITION FOR THE PUBLIC ON THE YES.
USE OF THOSE FUNDS AND, UM, HOW THAT PROGRAM'S GOING TO OPERATE.
AND, UM, IN LOOKING BACK AT MY NOTES, IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS WEREN'T FULLY, UM, EXPLORED POTENTIALLY IN YOUR LAST DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, I HAD SUGGESTED TO THE COUNSELOR IF THERE'S INTEREST OF THE COUNCIL TO BRING THAT BACK, THEN YOU COULD, HE COULD BRING IT UP AT THIS ITEM.
UM, SO THAT I KNEW THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH INTEREST BEFORE I HAVE THE STAFF PREPARE SOMETHING FOR YOU.
BUT THAT, THAT IS WHAT I HEARD, THAT THERE WAS A DESIRE FOR MORE SPECIFICITY AROUND HOW THAT PROGRAM IS OPERATING MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE HAVE THREE IN SUPPORT OF THAT DISCUSSION.
DO WE HAVE A FOURTH FOR FULL? OTHERWISE IT'LL BE AGENDAS FOR IT SOUNDS LIKE THE, THE CITY MANAGERS EXPRESS IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME STAFF TIME.
SO IT'LL BE AGENDAS JUST FOR THE 15 MINUTE INTRODUCTORY ITEM IF WE DON'T HAVE FOUR.
SO JUST, JUST FOR CLARITY, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS HERE.
WE ALREADY SPOKE ABOUT AND VOTED ON A COLD WEATHER PROGRAM, THE EMERGENCY COLD WEATHER PROGRAM.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING THEN IS THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT PROGRAM WAS FLESHED OUT ENOUGH FOR US TO HAVE MADE THE DECISION TO SPEND THE MONEY.
IS THAT, IS THAT KIND OF WHAT I'M GETTING FROM YOU? I, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
'CAUSE WE ALREADY VOTED ON THAT PROGRAM.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD GO THAT FAR, BUT, UM, AND YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A FAILING ON MY PART WHEN I ASKED JANIE, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF INCLEMENT WEATHER? AND SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO LEAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOSE, LEAVE THAT UP TO, AND I, I FEEL LIKE IN MY VIEW, THIS IS, WAS AN EMERGENCY PROGRAM.
IT WASN'T INTENDED AS A, AS A COMFORT THING.
IT WAS A MATTER OF KEEPING PEOPLE FROM DYING FROM HYPOTHERMIA.
SO THAT MAY BE JUST MY OPINION.
MAYBE EVERYBODY ELSE SAYS, NO, WE DON'T WANT, LET ME KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TOO FAR.
SO I, I DON'T WANT TO SORRY COUNSELOR CONSELLA, I DON'T WANNA HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN.
YOU'VE ALREADY, YOU'VE ALREADY SUPPORTED IT.
THIS, THIS IS A, WE HAVE IN THE PAST HAD UPDATES ON PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE AUTHORIZED.
WOULD THIS BE BETTER AS A PROGRAM UPDATE AFTER IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN USED AT LEAST ONCE
BUT I THINK THAT HE'S JUST LOOKING FOR CLARITY ON ONE OR TWO SMALL POINTS.
AND THAT ACTUALLY IS AN IMPORTANT POINT.
YEAH, I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT.
SO, MR. MAYOR, DO YOU SUPPORT THAT THEN? I DO.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT
NO, NO, WE DON'T,
BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? I'M DONE
ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW AT TWO O'CLOCK RIGHT HERE.
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ADJOURNED.