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          [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]
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          OKAY. 
          UH, PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, IF YOU PLEASE SILENCE YOUR PHONES AS A REMINDER, I'D APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. 
          PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          I, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND NOW JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE, IF YOU WILL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ YOUR CALL? MAYOR JALO. 
          HERE. 
          VICE MAYOR PLU. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILOR DUNN? HERE. 
          COUNCILOR LTZ. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILOR FURMAN? HERE. 
          COUNCILOR KINSELLA. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILLOR FAF HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          [3.a. AB 3121 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of Council Priorities. ]
ITEM THREE. 
          UH, BEFORE WE GO TO THE ITEMS, IF ANYONE HEARS, UH, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA BE, UH, ACCEPTING CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          TODAY IS A WORK SESSION. 
          UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE, SPECIAL BUSINESS, A AB 31 21, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF, UH, COUNCIL PRIORITIES. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE ANNETTE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. 
          AS YOU'RE ALREADY AWARE, UM, YOU DID YOUR PRIORITY SETTING RETREAT BACK IN DECEMBER. 
          UM, FROM THAT RETREAT, UH, BETWEEN JOANNE AND I, WE, UM, DRAFTED UP THE LIST OF EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD HEARD THE COUNCIL TALK ABOUT AS A POSSIBLE PRIORITY. 
          UM, OUR EXERCISE BACK IN DECEMBER WAS STRUCTURED AROUND THE NEWLY ADOPTED SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN, AND WE BROKE UP THE DISCUSSION BY GOAL AREAS THAT ARE, UM, LISTED IN YOUR PLAN TO START USING THIS, UM, DOCUMENT TO HELP GUIDE US IN OUR DECISION MAKING. 
          UM, SO THE DOCUMENT I HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN IS WHAT WAS IN THE COUNCIL PACKET. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE RETREAT IN DECEMBER, WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO A FINAL WRAP UP. 
          SO THIS IS JUST THE DRAFT. 
          UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IN THE, UM, DRAFT, THERE'S A COMBINATION OF ITEMS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, YOUR NEW, UH, BIG PICTURE IDEAS YOU WANNA ADD TO THE LIST, THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY, UM, OR NOW AT THIS POINT, SOME THINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE OR, UM, IMPLEMENTED. 
          UM, SO THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S WORK SESSION IS TO TRY TO, UM, HAVE A CONVERSATION TOGETHER AT A LITTLE HIGHER LEVEL ON THESE GOAL AREAS TO PRIORITIZE WITHIN THOSE, OR ACROSS THOSE, UM, IN THAT DIRECTION FROM YOU IS WHAT STAFF WILL USE TO, UM, BUILD OUR PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FY 26. 
          HELP ME, WHEN PEOPLE COME TO ME ASKING FOR NEW PROJECTS OR RESOURCES OR WHATEVER, DOES IT TIE INTO WHAT THE COUNCIL SAID WAS A PRIORITY, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT, I WANTED TO, UM, PULL UP FOR YOU A MATRIX, WHICH I GAVE YOU A HARD COPY AT THE DAIS. 
          UM, AND WHAT I DID HERE IS TAKE THE SAME INFORMATION, UM, BUT PUT IT MORE IN A WORKSHEET FORMAT BY THE GOAL AREA. 
          AND UNDER THE GOAL AREA, I CAPTURED, UM, YOU KNOW, THE HIGH LEVEL CONCEPT OF THE IDEAS THAT WERE IN THAT, UM, DRAFT FROM THE DECEMBER MEETING. 
          AND WHAT I THOUGHT I WOULD ATTEMPT TO DO WITH YOU IS HAVE, UM, YOU TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES AND WITH ME ABOUT HOW WE WOULD, UM, OR HOW YOU SEE THESE AS YOUR PRIORITIES. 
          AND I COULD USE THIS WORKSHEET TO CAPTURE WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BULK OF THE CONSENSUS OF THE COUNCIL IS AROUND RANKING ANY OF THESE, OR ANY PARTICULAR ITEMS THAT MIGHT BE A STAFF PROJECT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY QUOTE A COUNCIL PRIORITY TO TRY TO TEASE THAT OUT IF NECESSARY. 
          UM, AND SO THE WAY THAT I WOULD, UM, SUGGEST, UM, THAT WE START IS MAYBE NOT WITH CIRCULATION, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S THE FIRST PAGE IN YOUR PACKET. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY THE MORE, UM, ROBUST ONE, A LOT TO IT. 
          AND MAYBE START WITH ONE OF THE SIMPLER ONES JUST TO GET 
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THE FEEL OF, UM, WORKING THROUGH THIS AND ALSO TO TEST IT OUT AND SEE IF THIS IS WORKING FOR YOU. 
          SO I'M TOTALLY OPEN TO HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE THIS DIALOGUE TO HAPPEN AND HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UM, WORK THROUGH PRIORITIZING. 
          UM, SO I'VE GONE TO THE PAGE OF ECONOMY AND TOURISM, AND ON OUR DRAFT STRATEGIC PRIORITY, UM, LIST THAT WAS IN THE PACKET, WE REALLY ONLY HAD TWO ITEMS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED UNDER THAT GOAL THAT CAME OUT OF THE RETREAT. 
          AND THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD BECAUSE THESE TWO ITEMS ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY BY THE STAFF. 
          UM, BUT YOU MAY HAVE SOME COMMENTS YOU WANNA MAKE ABOUT EITHER OF THESE GOAL AREAS OR THESE PRIORITIES FOR US TO UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, YOU'VE ALREADY ADOPTED A TOURISM STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          IT'S RELATIVELY FRESH. 
          YOU'LL BE GETTING, UM, MORE INFORMATION FROM, UM, YOUR TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD AT YOUR MARCH MEETING WITH SOME ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU THAT COULD IMPACT THE BUDGET. 
          UM, BUT I THOUGHT, OKAY, LET'S JUST TEST THIS LITTLE WORKSHEET AND SEE HOW THIS WORKS, UM, OF THESE TWO ITEMS UNDER OUR ECONOMY AND TOURISM GOAL, I ASSUME THE COUNCILS IN SUPPORT OF THEM, I WOULD MARK THEM DOWN AS PRIORITIES FOR STAFF TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON. 
          BUT, UM, MAYOR, WOULD YOU LIKE FOLKS TO OPINE ON THESE, UM, ITEMS AND TO SEE HOW PEOPLE ARE FEELING ABOUT THEM? OR TESTING MY ASSUMPTION THAT YOU DO WANT US TO CONTINUE WORKING ON IMPLEMENTATION OF BROADBAND AND, UM, OUR TOURISM PLAN? I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS TO SAY WITH EACH ONE AT LEAST TO GET STARTED. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THEM AS FAR AS YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          AND THEN IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON, AND MELISSA HAS A GENERAL QUESTION ON HOW TO REFRAME THIS, IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANT IT WORDED DIFFERENTLY OR WHATEVER IS, YOU KNOW, THE FINALIZATION, THAT'S GREAT. 
          SO I JUST, I JUST HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION ON, UM, THE PROCESS. 
          SO THIS HAS BEEN MENTIONED BY AT LEAST ME DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS IN THE PAST. 
          AND THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WAY TO GET REALLY GREAT PROJECTS DONE IS TO EITHER HAVE ENOUGH STAFF TO DO THEM ALL OR TO HAVE FEWER PROJECTS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND THIS DOESN'T TELL ME LIKE WHAT DEPARTMENTS ARE BEING ASKED TO DO THE WORK WHEN WE BRING THIS UP. 
          AND SO AT SOME POINT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND, ARE WE OVERLOADING PUBLIC WORKS? ARE WE OVERLOADING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO THE POINT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO A GREAT JOB ON ALL OF THESE? AND THEN PRIORITY HAS TO BE BASED ON WHAT STAFF WE HAVE AND, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT TO JUST HAVE OPEN POSITIONS WE CAN'T FILL, BUT RATHER WHAT ARE THE STAFF WE HAVE NOW AND POSITIONS WE HAVE OPEN? UM, AND WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE TOO MANY PROJECTS IN THAT ONE AREA. 
          AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THESE ARE NOT SIMPLE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE BEAD STUFF IS, MIGHT BE SOME PUBLIC WORKS, THERE'S SOME SUSTAINABILITY, THERE MIGHT BE WHATEVER. 
          AND I, AND I'M NOT ABLE TO NECESSARILY TEASE APART WHAT MEMBERS OF YOUR STAFF, WHAT TEAMS IN YOUR STAFF ARE ACTUALLY BEING IMPACTED BY US SAYING, OH YEAH, LET'S GO DO THAT. 
          WELL, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE MORE UP TO ANNETTE TO DECIDE, UH, INSTEAD OF US GOING DOWN THE LIST OF, WELL, WHAT DEPARTMENT WE LEAVE IT TO ANNETTE OR TO ANDY TO THEY KNOW HOW IT WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED AND FOR THEM TO SAY, NO, THAT'S TOO MUCH, OR NO, THAT'S FINE, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED IN THE PAST. 
          AND SO IT'D BE, IT WOULD BE GREAT JUST TO KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH BUDGET COMING, IT'D BE GREAT TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT I'M GOING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, DECISION PACKETS AROUND MORE INDIVIDUALS NEEDED IN CERTAIN AREAS BECAUSE WE'VE ASKED FOR THAT WORK WHEN MAYBE WE DON'T REALLY NEED THAT WORK. 
          THAT'S NOT OUR TOP PRIORITY. 
          'CAUSE WE'VE NOT BEEN GOOD IN MY MIND AT ACTUALLY CHOOSING PRIORITIES. 
          THEY ALL ARE P ONE. 
          AND I THINK AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS, UM, ANDY AND I CAN SPEAK TO THAT AND LET YOU KNOW IF THERE IS, YOU KNOW, A CHALLENGE WITH ONE OF THESE, UH, IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WHY I START WITH THIS ONE IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD IS YES, WE HAVE A COMMUNICATIONS TOURISM DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, THEY ARE STAFFED TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN. 
          UM, IF THERE'S SOME REASON THAT, UH, THAT WE RUN INTO ANY CHALLENGES IN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN, WE WOULD BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE THAT SORT OF ELEMENT TO IT. 
          UM, AND THE SAME WITH THE BROADBAND, THE BEAD, UM, THAT'S GRANT MONEY GOING TO A PRIVATE SECTOR ENTITY TO IMPLEMENT. 
          AND SO WE ARE NOT LIKE THE IMPLEMENTERS NECESSARILY, BUT WE WILL HAVE IMPACT WHENEVER THAT, UM, ISP COMES TO TOWN AND SAYS, 
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HEY, WE'RE READY TO START TRENCHING. 
          WE NEED RIGHT OF WAY PERMITS. 
          DO WE HAVE A PLAN FOR WHAT PART OF THE CITY YOU WANNA START IN? THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, CHUCK'S BEEN WORKING ON THAT, SO I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ONE AS WELL. 
          UM, IF PUSH CAME TO SHOVE AND YOU HAD TO SAY, OR I HAD TO COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, WE REALLY CAN'T ACCOMPLISH X OR Y, YOU KNOW, THEN I WOULD, I WOULD COME BACK TO THAT. 
          UM, I GUESS ON THIS ONE, I THINK ECONOMY AND TOURISM IS A GOAL OF THE CITY. 
          THESE ARE THE TWO THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I HEARD ANYTHING IN THE RETREAT THAT YOU FELT WE WERE MISSING ANYTHING TO ADD TO THIS. 
          UM, BUT IF YOU WANT, WE COULD MAKE THIS A YES NO IN THE COUNCIL PRIORITY BOX INSTEAD OF LIKE A RANKING. 
          AND THEN WE COULD COME BACK AROUND AT THE END AND SEE IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO LIKE FALL OUT. 
          DOES THAT, WELL, WE JUST GO DOWN, GO DOWN THE DAYS AND SAY, YES, IT'S A PRIORITY OR NO, IT'S NOT TO THAT PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL. 
          I MEAN, THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE, WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ANYWAY. 
          IT WOULD BE KIND OF DIFFICULT TO TURN AROUND AND SAY, OH NO, IT'S NOT A PRIORITY ANYMORE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, ANYBODY HAVE AN OPINION ON HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED DIFFERENT? THANK MAYOR. 
          I, I THINK LIKE MELISSA, SOME ALSO HAVE STRUGGLED WITH THIS ISSUE ABOUT EVERYTHING CAN'T BE A PRIORITY, RIGHT? AND SO WHAT, AND I MENTIONED THIS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT , WHATEVER IT WAS A WEEK AGO OR SO, I CHOSE IN MY OWN MIND TO STRUCTURE IT WITH THREE LEVELS OF PRIORITIES. 
          EVERYTHING'S A PRIORITY, BUT THERE'S ONE LEVEL THAT'S GET IT DONE. 
          ASAP, THERE'S THE SECOND LEVEL, WHICH WOULD BE SLIP ONLY FOR COUNTS A PRIORITIES, RIGHT? SO IF, IF, IF YOU GOTTA CHOOSE, PICK AN A AND THIS ONE CAN SLIP A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND MY THIRD LEVEL OF PRIORITY IS GET IT DONE WHEN THE STAFFING IS ALIGNS TO GET IT DONE. 
          AND SO I FOUND THAT HELPFUL TO SORT OF RANK 'EM. 
          JUST, I DIDN'T WANT TO GO BEYOND THREE BECAUSE I CAN'T TRACK BEYOND THREE , , BUT I FELT, I FELT IT WAS USEFUL TO DO SOME TYPE OF RANKING OF EACH ONE. 
          I'M A LITTLE, SO YEAH, ALWAYS WHEN YOU DO THIS KIND OF THING, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE'RE GONNA START WITH ECONOMY AND TOURISM BECAUSE IT'S EASY. 
          I DON'T WANT THAT THEN TO PUSH OTHER THINGS THAT WE MIGHT ACTUALLY RANK ABOVE IT. 
          SO YOU KIND OF GO BACK THEN AND TRACK ALL YOUR A'S AND SAY, ARE THESE REALLY ALL A'S? OR WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING. 
          BUT, SO THAT WAS JUST A, A, A THOUGHT THAT PERHAPS IT'S HELPFUL TO COUNCIL, BUT THAT, THAT'S, I HAVE A, A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL. 
          FURMAN, IN YOUR MIND WHEN YOU WERE KIND OF COMING UP WITH THAT, DO YOU THOUGH, HOW MANY THINGS WOULD ACTUALLY END UP IN YOUR A VERSUS YOUR B VERSUS YOUR C? I MEAN, YEAH, LOGICALLY THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE, BUT STILL, DO WE END UP PUTTING EVERYTHING IN A, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, I I DON'T THINK WE STILL GET AROUND THAT PROBLEM. 
          I DID THE, I DIDN'T DO THE MATH, BUT IF I LOOKED THROUGH MY SHEET, I CERTAINLY DIDN'T DO ALL A'S, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHETHER THAT CAME OUT. 
          I WOULD SUGGEST WE HAVE THE FOURTH CATEGORY, WHICH IS WHY, AGAIN, IS THIS ON THE LIST? , YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE FREE TO COME BACK AND SAY, WE'VE GOT ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON. 
          LET'S THINK ABOUT IS THIS SOMETHING WE WANT TO EVEN CALL A PRIORITY OR DO WE WANNA PUT OUT ON THE BACK BURNER? I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT A COUPLE OF THOSE, WHICH WE'LL COME TO IN NEW TERM. 
          BUT WE HAD THE CONVERSATION, I THINK IT WAS, WAS IT LAST YEAR OR WAS IT ACTUALLY NOW TWO YEARS AGO THAT COUNCILOR FOLTZ BROUGHT UP, WHICH WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS OTHER LIST, THE THINGS THAT ARE, ARE ON ONGOING. 
          WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF WHY ARE WE RECONSIDERING THOSE QUOTA A A NEW PRIORITY, YOU KNOW, OR A PRIORITY. 
          'CAUSE TO ME IT'S LIKE IT'S SETTING FOR NEW, THOSE ARE UNDERWAY THAT THE SHIP IS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT OUT TO SEA AT THIS POINT. 
          ANYWAY. 
          WHY ARE WE REVISITING THAT? THAT SHOULD BE ON ITS LIST AND TAKEN IN AWAY OUT OF THE CONVERSATION. 
          'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DETERMINED THAT I DON'T WANNA KEEP REVISITING THINGS THAT WE'VE YEAH. 
          AND COUNSELOR AL YOU'LL SEE ON SOME OF THESE THAT, UM, I DID NOT PUT EVERYTHING FROM THE DRAFT LIST ONTO THIS WORKSHEET FOR THAT VERY POINT. 
          UM, THE REASON THAT I LEFT THESE TWO, FOR EXAMPLE, ON IS BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A MESSAGE THAT IS SENT BY THE COUNSEL TO THE GENERAL COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT THE BIG PRIORITIES ARE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO STILL HEAR ABOUT, UM, THE 
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PRIORITY COUNCIL HAS AROUND A REALLY EFFECTIVE TOURISM MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND THE INTEREST IN BRINGING BROADBAND TO THE AREA. 
          SO I CAN SEE AN ARGUMENT FOR SOME BIG THINGS STILL NEED TO STAY ON YOUR PRIORITY LIST, I WOULD RECOMMEND EVEN IF WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON THEM. 
          UM, BUT THERE WERE SOME THINGS ON THE DRAFT LIST, LIKE ESTABLISHED POET LAUREATE PROGRAM, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, CHECK, CHECK, CHECK. 
          SO I DIDN'T PUT THEM ON THIS WORKSHEET TODAY. 
          GOTCHA. 
          UM, SO I TRIED TO USE A LITTLE BIT OF JUDGMENT ABOUT WHICH ONES I PUT IN HERE FOR TODAY. 
          UM, SO, UM, BRIAN, NATHAN, HOLLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I DO AGREE WE SHOULD HAVE A LETTERING SYSTEM, NOT JUST PRIORITY. 
          UM, JUST WHY DON'T YOU CONTINUE ALONG THE WAY WE COULD SEE, I MEAN, YEAH. 
          DO YOU WANNA DO A LITTLE PRACTICE OF SURE. 
          IF YOU THINK THAT TOURISM STRATEGIC PLAN JUST QUICKLY GO AROUND. 
          SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD TO DO LIKE A RAPID FIRE WITHOUT GETTING TOO AGONIZED OVER WHAT YOUR ANSWER IS. 
          AND WE CAN ALWAYS GO THROUGH ANOTHER ITERATION OR TAKE A BREAK AND I CAN TALLY 'EM UP OR WHATEVER AND COME BACK. 
          BUT IF YOU WANTED TO DO THE, THE A B, C THING THAT COUNCILOR FURMAN SUGGESTED, WE COULD TAKE A STAB AND I CAN CAPTURE IT ON HERE AND SEE IF THAT WE SHOULD HAVE CARDS. 
          , I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF TOURISM STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          THAT IS AN ONGOING PROJECT. 
          WE, YES, I THINK WE'VE ALL SUPPORTED THAT IN THE FUTURE, UH, IN THE PAST RATHER TO, AND HAVE INTEREST IN MOVING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. 
          SHOULD THAT BE A PRIORITY? IT'S STILL GOING ON. 
          IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO GO ON UNTIL WE DECIDE, UH OH, WE ARE NOT INTERESTED. 
          I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING ANYTIME SOON. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO REALLY TREAT THAT. 
          UH, HOLLY? WELL, I THINK FROM A PUBLIC FACING PERSPECTIVE, IF WE TOOK OFF TOURISM MANAGEMENT, THEN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND OTHER FOLKS WOULD FEEL LIKE IT'S NO LONGER A PRIORITY OF THE COUNCILS. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH WE ARE IMPLEMENTING IT, SOMEBODY'S BUZZING AWAY. 
          WHO'S, WHO'S BUS? I'M BUZZING, BUT IT'S OH, OKAY. 
          STOP IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LEAVE IT ON THERE. 
          OH, I SEE. 
          SAME PERSON PROBABLY. 
          YEAH, I THINK IT IS. 
          WHAT, GO AHEAD. 
          I WAS, MINE WENT OFF AT THE SAME TIME TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          SO LET'S, LET'S CONTINUE PLEASE. 
          UM, SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT IT SHOULD BE ON THERE. 
          I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          WE'RE JUST GETTING THE COMMUNITY TO START TO TRUST US THAT WE REALLY CARE ABOUT TOWARDS THE MANAGEMENT AND THAT WE'RE WILLING TO PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS AND HIRE THE STAFF AND THE STAFF ARE DOING GREAT. 
          SO IT'S, TAKE IT OFF TO ME AS A, MAYBE VIEWED SYMBOLICALLY THAT WE NO LONGER FEEL LIKE IT IS A PRIORITY. 
          SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW WE HAVE DEFINED THIS AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THINK ABOUT IT. 
          YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE NOT ON THE LIST, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN MM-HMM . 
          IT'S NO LONGER THERE. 
          SO IF WE WERE SAID, THESE ARE NEW PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, IF WE DEFINED IT IN A WAY THAT WAS CLEAR AND WE KNOW HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS, UH, WELL HOW ABOUT HAVING A, B, C, BUT A PRE-APPROVED OR ONGOING NOT PART OF THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE AT THE TOP OF THAT LIST. 
          THESE ARE IN PROCESS AND IT WOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S STILL THERE AT THE TOP AND THEN WE HAVE AN A, B, AND C FOR NEW PROJECTS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I WANNA, I AGREE. 
          SO THIS WAY, SO THIS WAY YOU'RE, YOU'RE LIKE TOURISM THAT HAS TO, IN MY MIND, I'M SURE YOU AGREE, BUT I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY HERE, BUT I WANT, I EXPECT THAT TO CONTINUE BECAUSE OF EXACTLY THE REASON WHY, BECAUSE WE, I'M SEEING SOME REALLY GOOD POSITIVE RESULTS FROM THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT, SO I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE AN A NORMALLY, BUT IT'S ONGOING. 
          SO HOW WOULD WE, UH, SEPARATE THAT OUT TO BE, UH, AN ONGOING PROJECT AND THAT, WELL I CHANGED THE TITLE OF THE COLUMN ON THIS INSTEAD OF STAFF PROJECT TO JUST ONGOING AND I CAN JUST PUT AN X ON THOSE TWO AND WE CAN MOVE ON. 
          OR CAN WE SAY NEW COUNCIL PRIORITY OR SURE. 
          NEW PRO. 
          SOME WAY TO INDICATE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          THERE'S SOME, MELISSA, I HAD A HAND UP BEFORE, SO, SO I THINK THIS IS REALLY COMPLICATED. 
          IT'S COMPLIC, IT'S, AND THIS IS REALLY COMPLICATED BECAUSE IMPLEMENTATION OF TOURISM STRATEGIC PLAN IS HUGE. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S A PRIORITY. 
          I IDEA OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS A PRIORITY. 
          IT'S ONGOING. 
          WE PROBABLY ALL SAY YES, WE NEED 
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TO DO TOURIST MANAGEMENT. 
          THE QUESTION BECOMES WHEN YOU HAVE ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE INSIDE OF IT, WHICH ARE THE ONES WE THINK THE STAFF REALLY NEEDS TO WORK ON IN ORDER TO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY THE BEST. 
          AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE TOURISM GUYS ARE DOING, OR GALS, SORRY, UM, ARE DOING. 
          AND THIS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD SAY, YES, WE SHOULD BE DOING THIS. 
          BUT WHEN YOU GOT INTO THE DETAILS OF IT AND THOSE DETAILS COME BEFORE, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD SAY, WELL I THINK THAT'S PRI I DUNNO, I ALWAYS SAY PRY ONE, BUT A  PRY A, WE HAVE TO, I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, WHY DID YOU MAKE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHY DID YOU MAKE THIS OTHER ONE PRICE C WHERE ALL WE'RE DOING IS CONTINUING TO KICK THAT PRY DOWN THE ROAD. 
          SO EITHER TAKE IT OFF COMPLETELY OR MOVE IT UP AND, AND EXECUTE IT. 
          SO, UM, THIS, I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE WOULD ARGUE THAT YES, WE SHOULD DO A STRATEGIC PLAN ON TOURISM. 
          IT'S EVERYTHING UNDERNEATH IT THAT NEEDS FOR COUNCIL TO POTENTIALLY SAY WHAT WE SH WE THINK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO OR HAVE YOU TELL US THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN GET PRO, UH, PROJECT C DONE UNLESS WE DO A FIRST. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK, UM, MY VISION WAS THAT, UH, THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL WOULD COME TO YOU THROUGH THE BUDGET WORK SESSIONS WHERE WE KNOW YES, THEY WANT THE TOURISM, TOURISM STRATEGIC PLAN IMPLEMENTED. 
          I WORK WITH LAUREN AND ANDREW THE PRESENTATION AT THE BUDGET WORK SESSIONS. 
          LIKE, HERE'S HOW WE'RE GONNA GET THAT DONE WITH OUR RESOURCES THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          UM, TO ME THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. 
          AND WE DON'T WANT TO DIVE TOO DEEP INTO THOSE WEEDS, RIGHT? SO KEEP IT VERY HIGH LEVEL. 
          WE TURN IT OVER TO ANNETTE, WE'RE INTERESTED IN IMPLEMENTING A STRATEGIC PLAN ON TOURISM. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND LET ANNETTE DECIDE, WELL, WHERE'S GONNA BREAK DOWN? 'CAUSE IF WE WANNA PICK INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS WITHIN THAT, I THINK IT'S, IN MY OPINION, GOING TOO DEEP. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE HERE. 
          THAT IT IS THE BUDGET. 
          IT'S WHERE THEY'RE GONNA ASK US FOR MONEY TO DO SPECIFIC ITEMS OF WORK, AND WE HAVE TO JUST DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA ALWAYS USE THIS PHRASE SNOWPLOWS, RIGHT? SO , SO, UM, AND THAT, AND THAT IS INSIDE OF THE BUDGET. 
          I'M JUST SAYING IF WE'RE AT THIS LEVEL, THIS HAS TO REALLY JUST BE A YES OR NO, RIGHT? DO WE BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO DO THIS PLAN? AND, AND I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY YES, CATHERINE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IT, IT, IT'S ALONG SIMILAR LINES IS THE FLYING THE OINTMENT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S NEW TO DO A STRATEGIC PLAN, IT'S A NEW PLAN EVERY YEAR AS YOU'RE DEVELOPING IT. 
          SO IS IT A NEW ITEM VERSUS AN ONGOING ITEM? I MEAN, IT'S, A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE JUST GRAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WHICH IS WHY WE GET INTO BOGGED DOWN INTO LONG CONVERSATIONS LIKE WE'RE ABOUT TO, RIGHT. 
          WHAT MELISSA SAID, CAN WE MOVE ON ? YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          WHAT, WHAT. 
          SO YES, DO YOU HAVE A PROGRAM? ? ALRIGHT, SO LET'S SEE. 
          WHAT SHOULD WE TRY TO TACKLE NEXT BASED ON WHAT'S ON HERE? UM, HOW ABOUT IF I CLICK ON ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY? BECAUSE THAT DOES HAVE, SO I AGREE. 
          I THINK WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT B IS ALSO A YES. 
          YES. 
          JUST TO GET YOU BOTH LINE ITEMS. I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN. 
          THE BE PROJECT, THE BROADBAND, EVERYONE IS IN AGREEMENT. 
          THAT'S ALSO A YES YES. 
          PROJECT. 
          YES. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO. 
          SO IS THAT AN A OR A B OR A C? . 
          IT'S A Y. 
          ALRIGHT, SO ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY. 
          SO THIS HAS SOME REALLY BIG TOPICS IN IT. 
          UM, I LISTED THEM, YOU KNOW, IN CATEGORIES BASED ON WHAT WAS IN THE DRAFT AND THE MINUTES. 
          AND UH, SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT, YOU KNOW, WASTEWATER AND WATER RESILIENCY IS A PRIORITY. 
          WE DO HAVE A COMBINATION OF ONGOING, YES, WE'RE DOING OUR FACILITY PLAN AND THEN THINGS THAT POTENTIALLY COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE ON THAT TOPIC. 
          UM, I'VE HEARD ABOUT WILDFIRE PREPAREDNESS AND RESILIENCY IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. 
          UM, BRYCE'S PRESENTATION, HE REMINDED, OOPS, WHAT IS THIS, SORRY. 
          TEAMS KEEPS TRYING TO OPEN. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY HE'S DOING THAT. 
          UM, UH, AND THEN IN OUR, UM, SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT, BRYCE HAD RAISED, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF TOPICS. 
          DO WE WANNA WORK ON HEAT MITIGATION, ADAPTATION THINGS? DO WE WANNA WORK ON INVASIVE SPECIES 
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REDUCTION? DO WE WANNA LOOK AT RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECTS AT THE COMMUNITY LEVEL? UM, AND SO THIS ONE I THINK IS DEFINITELY ONE FOR US TO HEAR FROM YOU AND CHEW ON. 
          LIKE, ARE THE, WHICH OF THESE TOPICS HERE REALLY ARE A BIG PRIORITY IN THE NEXT YEAR? SO IF YOU ENVISION YOURSELF A YEAR FROM NOW SITTING HERE, THINKING BACK ON WHAT WE ACCOMPLISHED AND PUT OUR MONEY INTO ON THESE TYPES OF BIG PROJECTS, WHICH DO YOU SEE AS THE ONES THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO SEE SOME MOVEMENT ON? WE'VE MOVED THE NEEDLE ON IT ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING IN THAT, UH, IN THAT AREA. 
          VICE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S MISSING HERE IS OUR SUSTAINABILITY GOAL FOR 2030. 
          OH. 
          UM, I PUT THE CARBON REDUCTION PLAN IMPLEMENTATION, BUT I CAN RENAME THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE AS THE, THE 2030. 
          I FORGOT THE NAME OF THE PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THAT THE ONLY, I MEAN, IS THAT COMPREHENSIVE ENOUGH? I THINK SO. 
          CARBON REDUCTION, THE ONLY THING, WHAT DO YOU THINK, ANDY? OUR GOALS, IT'S GREENHOUSE EMISSIONS REDUCTION. 
          RIGHT? WHICH IS, YEAH, BUT YEAH. 
          UM, SO IT'S, IT'S THE GOALS COMING OUT OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, RIGHT? UM, YOU COULD CALL IT THE 2030 CAP GOALS. 
          I'M THINKING, OH, JOANNE HAS HER HAND UP. 
          I THINK SHE KNOWS THE, THERE'S A WHOLE MUNICIPAL, IT WAS IN YOUR, UH, LAST FISCAL YEAR GOAL AS EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES TO REDUCE CARBON EMISSIONS BY 50% BY 2023, IF THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          20 23, 30, 20 30, 20 30. 
          YEAH. 
          IT MUST, YEAH, THAT MUST BE A TYPO. 
          2023 WAS THE YEAR WE SET 2030. 
          SORRY, THAT'S MY TYPO. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA QUOTE 2030 GOAL OF 50% REDUCTION. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE, I RETYPED IT THERE. 
          REDUCE CARBON EMISSIONS BY 50% BY 2030. 
          SO, SO I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE A STAB AT THIS AND MAYBE I'LL GET BEATEN UP HERE ON THE DAIS AND THAT'S FINE. 
          . 
          UM, I, I THINK TO ME ON THIS PAGE PARTICULARLY, THERE'S ONE A AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS LIKE A B. 
          OKAY? OKAY. 
          FOR ME, IT'S, IT'S WILDFIRE PREPAREDNESS AND RESILIENCY BECAUSE IT'S IS AN IMMEDIATE LIFE THREATENING ISSUE. 
          SO I SEE THAT AS AN A. 
          AND IF I'M GONNA SET THAT ASIDE AS DIFFERENTIAL FROM EVERYTHING ELSE, THEN I THINK I MOVE THAT TO A AND I MOVE EVERY, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS TO BI DON'T LIKE THE YES NO APPROACH BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME THING. 
          I LOOK AT SOME, I LOOK AT ALL THESE AND GO, YEAH, THESE ARE IMPORTANT, BUT SOME OF 'EM ARE A HELL OF A LOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHERS. 
          SO I FEEL LIKE WELL, THAT'S THE, ON A STRAIGHT YES. 
          NO, I WOULD SAY YES TO THE FIRST TWO AND NO TO THE REST OF THEM, BUT, WELL, BUT THE LAST ONE, WE ADOPTED A PLAN, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, AS MUCH AS WE ADOPTED THE PLAN, IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT WILDFIRE MITIGATION. 
          I, I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU'RE, YOU WOULD TAKE IT OFF. 
          NO, NO. 
          SHE HAS A PROBLEM WITH MY POINT. 
          NO, I, I'M RANKING IT LOWER. 
          MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO RANK IT LOWER THAN THE OTHERS. 
          I'M NOT, BUT IF WE HAVE TO DO A YES NO, THEN, YOU KNOW, TO ME THE FIRST TWO, NO, I, I WOULD RATHER DO LETTERS. 
          I BELIEVE THE YES NO CONCEPT WAS IF IT'S JUST AN ONGOING OKAY. 
          TYPE OF THING. 
          BUT, UM, THESE OTHER ONES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T REALLY STARTED HEAT MITIGATION AND ADAPTATION. 
          WE HAVEN'T REALLY STARTED INVASIVE SPECIES REDUCTION IN A REALLY LIKE TARGETED WAY. 
          UM, WE HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED AT RENEWABLE ENERGY. 
          SO THESE ARE BIG CONCEPTS COMING FORWARD THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, PLANS OR WHATNOT. 
          BUT, UM, AND ONE COULD ARGUE WILDFIRE PREPAREDNESS AND RESILIENCY. 
          I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, WE'VE DONE SOME WORK, BUT HAVE WE DONE LIKE A REALLY TARGETED, SPECIFIC EFFORT? LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT STEVE MURS BROUGHT UP, SHOULD WE HAVE A REALLY ROBUST FIREWISE PROGRAM AND GET AN ARBORIST ON CONTRACT AND PARTNER WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT? AND I THINK I MIGHT HAVE ONE RELATED TO THAT ON LIVABILITY AS WELL. 
          YEAH, I HAVE ALL THE FIREWISE STUFF, UM, ON LIV LIVABILITY, FIREWISE. 
          IT'S NOT HERE. 
          ANOTHER SHEET? NO, IT'S PART OF THE WILDFIRE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, I THINK THIS ONE'S JUST AN INTERESTING ONE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT THINGS. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO VISUALIZE WHERE'S THE CITY GONNA BE AT IN JUST ONE YEAR FROM NOW, MAKING A REALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON ONE OF THESE, WE WOULD HAVE TO REALLY TARGET, YOU KNOW, WE COULDN'T SPREAD OUT OVER ALL OF THESE, OR WE WON'T GET MUCH DONE ON ANY OF THEM. 
          CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION THOUGH, OF SOMETHING IN THAT SAID THOUGH? 
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OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE GOTTA GO TO BRIAN. 
          YEAH, I'M SORRY. 
          IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, BRIAN? IT, IT'S TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE YOU SAID SOME OF THESE WE HAVEN'T STARTED AND THEN YOU USED INVASIVE SPECIES REDUCTION AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          RIGHT? AND I'M JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW BAD INVASIVE SPECIES ARE AT THE MOMENT. 
          SO I, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO GIVE A PRIORITY TO THIS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW PERVASIVE THE PROBLEM IS. 
          'CAUSE THAT HASN'T BEEN PRESENTED. 
          SO, AND ALSO COULD THAT BE DEALT WITH FOR THE, UH, ARBORIST? WELL, THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE CLARIFICATION OF LIKE, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? SO I WOULD KNOW HOW TO LIKE GAUGE THIS. 
          AND I DIDN'T WANNA CUT INTO BRIAN, BUT SINCE YOU JUST MENTIONED IT, I WANTED TO HELP. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, KURT HARRIS, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, I THINK HE TOUCHED ON IT BRIEFLY IN THE RETREAT, BUT HE IS A BIG PROPONENT THAT WHAT ON OUR OWN PROPERTIES WE SHOULD BE REMOVING INVASIVE SPECIES, STOPPING THE SPREAD OF THEM. 
          UM, IT IS A BIG EFFORT. 
          IT COULD BE CONTROVERSIAL BECAUSE IT MAY ENTAIL THE USE OF, YOU KNOW, HERBICIDES OR WHATEVER. 
          SO TO TAKE ON A BIG PROGRAM LIKE THAT, WE'LL TAKE, YOU KNOW, TIME AND EFFORT AND CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCIL ON HOW YOU WANT US TO APPROACH THAT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I HAVE IT AS ITS OWN TOPIC, BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, OF INTEREST TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND IT'S NOT A EASY TASK. 
          UM, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THOSE TYPES OF PLANTS SPECIES DO DAMAGE THE WATERSHED, UM, AND CAUSE OTHER PROBLEMS IN THE AREA CHOKING OUT NATIVE SPECIES. 
          THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT AS FIRE RESILIENT AS NATIVE SPECIES, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          BUT THEY ARE COMMONLY USED UNFORTUNATELY IN SOME LANDSCAPING HERE. 
          AND THAT'S PROBABLY THROUGH LACK OF EDUCATION AROUND THOSE PLANT PRODUCTS. 
          UM, THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WERE, SHOULD WE UPDATE OUR LANDSCAPING CODE TO REQUIRE MORE NATIVE SPECIES AND NOT ALONE NATIVE, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A BIG CONVERSATION WRAPPED AROUND THIS TOPIC, UM, WHICH WE HAVE A LOT OF STAFF EXPERTISE AND ENERGY AND INTEREST IN IT. 
          BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM, FROM OTHER THINGS. 
          SO IF WE KNOW THAT, UM, YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN THAT, WE COULD CERTAINLY, UM, PREPARE SOMETHING ABOUT HOW WE COULD START TACKLING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          BUT THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE THAT WOULD BE A NEW COUNCIL PRIORITY, UM, AND HOW THAT SHAKES OUT, YOU KNOW, AGAINST OTHER THINGS. 
          BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, AT THE RISK OF GOING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE A LITTLE BIT, I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT WILDFIRE PREPAREDNESS AND RESILIENCY IN THAT. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHEN THE WORK PLAN AS PART OF THE BUDGET REVIEW IS IN FRONT OF US, THAT THERE IS A ABSOLUTELY CRYSTAL CLEAR POSITION ON WHAT WE ARE DOING, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, AND WHAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO IN RESPONSE TO THE REPEATED INPUT THAT WE'RE RECEIVING FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          THAT I THINK, FRANKLY, WE ARE INCAPABLE OF. 
          NOT THAT WE'RE INCAPABLE, BUT WE'RE UNINFORMED ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO IT, AND IT CONTINUES TO LEAVE A QUESTION MARK OVER OUR CARE AND INTEREST, THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENRY, ET CETERA. 
          AND IT'S GOTTA BE ADDRESSED. 
          AND, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING THAT GETS ASKED OF US, BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE ARE OR ARE NOT GOING TO DO. 
          AND, AND HAVE A COMMUNICATION PLAN THAT IS CLEAR, SIMPLE, DISTINCT PEOPLE CAN FIND THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO FIND SO THAT THE, THIS CONSTANT DOUBTING AND FEARING THAT WE'RE HEARING IS ADDRESSED. 
          AND MAYBE THEY'LL STILL BE PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED, BUT RIGHT NOW, I FEEL LIKE, UH, THE QUESTIONS, THE COMMENTS THAT ARE POSED TO US, IT FEELS LIKE LARGELY FALL ON DEAF EARS THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, BEING RESPONSIVE SUFFICIENTLY FOR, UH, WHAT IS BEING SAID TO US. 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, SORRY, PROBABLY IN THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT JUST FEELS LIKE SOMETHING THAT, UH, NEEDS TO BE PART OF THIS PARTICULAR CATEGORY, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO US, UH, IN LATER APRIL. 
          AND, AND I JUST FURTHER TO THAT, YOU KNOW, ANNETTE, YOU SHARED WITH US EARLIER THIS WEEK THAT THE MEETING ON APRIL 2ND IS ESSENTIALLY BEING TAKEN OVER BY THE FIRE DISTRICT, WHICH MEANS, YOU KNOW, YET AGAIN, WE'RE LOSING CONTROL OVER WHATEVER NARRATIVE WE WANT TO HAVE AND WE NEED TO HAVE ONE. 
          SO MY 2 CENTS, 
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THANK YOU. 
          I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD TO THAT. 
          I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I TOTALLY, WELL, WE ALL GET THE SAME EMAILS, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETIMES IN A, A FEW INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT GETTING WHAT THEY WANT, SO THEY WILL REPEATEDLY SAY THAT WE'RE NOT LISTENING. 
          WHEN WE OBVIOUSLY, AND IT CAME OUT, WHAT'S THAT BULLET AND YOU JUST PUT OUT THE OTHER DAY? OH, THE MONTHLY ROUNDUP, RIGHT? THE MONTHLY ROUNDUP. 
          IT, THOSE, A LOT OF THE ISSUES WERE ADDRESSED THERE, BUT I THINK MAYBE WE HAVE TO GET THAT MESSAGE OUT MORE THAN JUST THE ROUNDUP. 
          I THINK MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE SUCCINCT BECAUSE WE ARE ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS, BUT BECAUSE INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT GETTING THE EXACT ISSUE THAT THEY WANT, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY ASKS OF THE CITY, RIGHT? BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT CLEAR FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MESSAGING US WHAT WE ARE GONNA DO, WHAT WE'RE NOT GONNA DO, WHEN ARE WE GONNA DO IT. 
          AND THE TIMING IS RIGHT AS WE'RE IN BUDGET PREPARATION NOW TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS F DEFINITIVELY BY THE TIME THE END OF APRIL ROLLS AROUND. 
          GOOD POINT. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MELISSA. 
          THAT, SO, UM, I THINK THE WILDFIRE PREPAREDNESS AND RESILIENCY IS OBVIOUSLY AN A OR A ONE, RIGHT? WHATEVER METRIC WE'RE USING. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY COMPLICATED. 
          AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS, UH, WE HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WHEN THE WASTEWATER FOLKS WERE HERE AROUND SHOULD WE FIND SOME WAY TO USE SOME OF OUR WASTEWATER ONCE IT'S BEEN TREATED FOR WHATEVER IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE TREATED FOR, THOUGH, WHO KNOWS WHAT THAT MEANS? NOW, UM, COULD WE USE IT AS A DEFENSE MECHANISM? IF THERE'S A FIRE, CAN WE USE IT AS ADDITIONAL WATER? DO WE NEED WATER RESILIENCY IN OUR COMMUNITY, NOT JUST FOR FIRE, BUT FOR WHATEVER ELSE WE DO? SO, TO ME, WASTEWATER SLASH WATER RESILIENCY ALSO SORT OF MESHES INTO WHY WILDFIRE PREPAREDNESS AND RESILIENCY. 
          I MEAN, IF THERE'S A WILDFIRE AND YOU CAN'T GET ANY WATER OUT OF THE RIVER, YOU CAN'T GET ANY WATER OUT OF OAK CREEK BECAUSE IT'S BEEN CONTAMINATED WITH ASH, THEN WHERE ARE WE GETTING OUR WATER FROM? SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND I KNOW THAT, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO RELY ON THAT FOR THEIR WATER. 
          SO TO ME, AND THEY LIVE HERE IN SEDONA, SO THAT'SS COMPLICATED. 
          SO TO ME, THAT'S ALSO AN A OR A ONE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW THOSE PIECES WORK TOGETHER. 
          AND THEN I'M GONNA GO DOWN AND JUST THROW THIS IN THERE BASED ON SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, A CITY MANAGER SAID IF WE HAVE AN INVASIVE SPECIES PROBLEM, WHERE THOSE INVASIVE SPECIES ARE A, NOT AS FIRE RETARDANT AND B MAY ACTUALLY FLAME HIGHER BECAUSE OF THEIR PROPERTIES, THE OIL PROPERTIES, WHATEVER. 
          I'M NOT A BOTANIST, BUT YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE ARE PLANTS THAT ARE MORE FLAMMABLE. 
          AND SO IF THAT THEY ARE IN THAT CLASS, IN ORDER FOR US TO TALK ABOUT WILDFIRE PREPAREDNESS, WE ALSO NEED TO SAY WHAT PLANTS DO WE NEED TO GET RID OF THAT DON'T BELONG HERE, THAT COULD ACTUALLY INCREASE THE FLAMMABILITY OF OUR CITY. 
          SO I THINK IT'S COMPLICATED. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WHETHER THAT FITS, BUT FOR SURE I WOULD PUT WASTEWATER WATER RESILIENCY AND WILDFIRE PREPAREDNESS AND RESILIENCY AS HIGH LEVEL ITEMS WITH LOTS OF THINGS INSIDE OF THEM AS A P ONE FOR ME, VICE MAYOR, UH, I AGREE WITH, WITH BOTH OF MY COLLEAGUES. 
          AND THEN MY QUESTION IS, WHERE DOES IT SIT IN OUR STRUCTURE? THE RESPONSIBILITY YEAH, RESPONSIBILITY FOR IMPLEMENTING IT, THE RESPONSIBILITY, UM, WHO IS THE SINGLE POINT, YOU KNOW, OF CONTACT TO PULL ALL THIS TOGETHER BECAUSE IT CROSSES MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS FOR WILDFIRE PREPAREDNESS AND RESILIENCY, BUT, AND INCLUDED IN THAT COULD BE THE INVASIVE SPECIES AND THE WASTEWATER RESILIENCY. 
          SO I THINK THAT, UM, WHAT THIS HIGHLIGHTS IS THAT THIS IS A TEAM EFFORT ACROSS THE CITY. 
          AND SO ULTIMATELY THOSE TEAM EFFORTS ARE LED BY ANDY AND MYSELF. 
          SO IT INVOLVES WASTEWATER, INVOLVES SUSTAINABILITY, INVOLVES PUBLIC WORKS. 
          I MEAN, UM, A LOT OF THESE ARE NOT, UM, ISOLATED TO ONE DEPARTMENT. 
          IT REALLY IS A TEAM EFFORT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FOSTER IS NOT HAVING SILOED, UH, PROJECTS, BUT INSTEAD TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THESE ARE BIG COMMUNITY GOALS THAT REQUIRE, AND WE MAY HAVE OUTSIDE PARTNERS THAT WE HAVE TO BRING IN TO ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THESE RIGHTS PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT, WHATEVER. 
          SO THAT, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A ENOUGH OF AN ANSWER FOR YOU, BUT THERAPIST, BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE OVERLOADED, SO THIS IS HUGE. 
          YEAH, I THINK TO DO IT WELL, I GUESS I FEEL LIKE THAT'S OUR 
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JOB THOUGH, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR PRIORITIES HAPPEN. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          BUT THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO JUGGLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I WOULD AGREE THAT THOSE TWO ARE SUPER IMPORTANT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WASTEWATER AND WELFARE, IF I COULD COMPLETE MY RUN DOWN MY LIST, SO I WOULD'VE PUT INVASIVE SPECIES IS, I'M SORRY, I HAVE TO USE PRY 1, 2, 3, . 
          UM, I WOULD PUT THAT AS A PRY TWO UNTIL SOMEONE TOLD ME HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO INTERLEAVE IT INTO WHAT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING AND HONESTLY HIT HEAT MITIGATION AND ADAPTATION RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECTS, IF THERE'S NO TOWN, 'CAUSE WE'VE BURNED DOWN, THEY SEEM LESS RELEVANT, UM, TO ME AND THE CARBON REDUCTION PLAN, I GET IT. 
          AND IT'S A GREAT GOAL AND I DON'T, I'M NOT TRYING TO POO THE GOAL, BUT WE'RE SEDONA, WE'RE NOT THAT BIG. 
          AND EVEN IF WE DO OUR PART, IT'S NOT GONNA BE NECESSARY AND SUFFICIENT FOR ANY MAJOR SCHEME. 
          SO IF THOSE PEOPLE COULD BE USED BETTER SOMEWHERE ELSE, I WOULD MAKE THAT A PRY THREE. 
          IT'S SORT OF A NICE TO HAVE, UM, FOR ME RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT, EVEN THOUGH PERSONALLY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND I DO ALL THE RIGHT THINGS MYSELF. 
          I'M THINKING ABOUT THE BROADER ASPECT OF WHAT THE CITY NEEDS TO DO. 
          THAT'S MY OPINION. 
          WELL, UH, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WE HAVE A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THAT WE PUT TOGETHER. 
          ARE WE GOING TO JUST DISMISS IT AND SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA EVEN TRY TO ACHIEVE THAT? I MEAN, IT WAS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT AND WE PROMISED THE COMMUNITY, SO I I'M LOATHED TO REMOVE IT. 
          I DIDN'T REMOVE IT, I JUST LOWERED ITS PRIORITY. 
          I KNOW, BUT IT'S 2030. 
          IT'S ONLY A COUPLE OF YEARS AWAY, BRIAN. 
          BUT WHY ISN'T IT AN ONGOING, AS OPPOSED TO ONE OF THESE NEW THINGS? IT'S, IT'S ONGOING. 
          1, 2, 3. 
          SO IT SHOULDN'T BE HERE ANYWAY. 
          IT'S JUST A YES NO, WELL, IT, YEAH, IN THAT SENSE, BUT I DON'T WANNA LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT PEOPLE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT AND ENERGY AND WE SPENT MONEY AND MM-HMM . 
          WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE WERE GONNA TRY TO ACHIEVE THIS. 
          AND THERE WAS A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THIS DURING THAT TIME. 
          SURE. 
          THIS IS THAT GRAY AREA AGAIN, BECAUSE YES, IT'S ONGOING, BUT IT REQUIRES NEW COMMITMENT EVERY YEAR IN TERMS OF, SO WE'RE GOING TO CUT THIS AND FUND THAT AND ESTABLISH THIS OR, SO IT, IT'S ONGOING, BUT IT'S NEW, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT'S, IT, THERE'S SO MUCH CROSSOVER IN THESE THINGS. 
          YOU HAVE TO PRIORITIZE THE RESOURCES. 
          WHERE DO YOU WANT TO TURN AROUND AS MUCH AS EVERYTHING IS A PRIORITY, LIKE WITH THIS, OKAY. 
          THE WILDFIRE AND THEN THE, UH, THE PLAN. 
          WELL, I THINK WILDFIRE, YOU KNOW, IF IT CAME TIME TO FUND ONE VERSUS THE OTHER, WILDFIRE SHOULD BE WAY AHEAD. 
          'CAUSE OF, IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          I MEAN, IF WE DON'T HAVE A TOWN, WE DON'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHAT OUR, UH, POLICY HAS BEEN TILL 2030. 
          RIGHT. 
          FOOTPRINT. 
          WELL THEN, THEN THAT'S NUMBER ONE. 
          AND NOTHING ELSE IS NUMBER ONE IF WE DON'T HAVE A TIP, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE COULD BE A NUMBER TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT TO ME, YOU KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO, REMEMBER WE'RE SURROUNDED BY FOREST. 
          THEY'RE GONNA DO A, A FIRE BREAK SOMEWHERE, SOMEDAY, SOMETIME, BUT WE HAVEN'T, THERE'S NO COMMITMENT OF WHEN AND WHERE IN THE CITY THEY'RE GONNA DO THE FIRE BREAK. 
          IT'S ALL IN THE FOREST. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A LOT THAT WE CAN REALLY DO. 
          BUT WHAT WE CAN DO, WE HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH IT AS FAR AS THE FIRE MITIGATION OF COURSE. 
          BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS BASICALLY THROW EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          I'M, I'M NOT. 
          BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE PRIORITY, WE HAVE TO, LIKE I SAID, IF WE DON'T HAVE A TOWN, WE DON'T HAVE, WHAT DO WE HAVE? AND BRIAN, I, I'M GOING TO CHANGE THIS A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE A CASE THAT I'M COMING BACK TO INVASIVE SPECIES JUST 'CAUSE IT WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE. 
          UM, THAT, THAT'S A SEA FOR ME. 
          IF WE'RE USING THE A, B, C SYSTEM MM-HMM . 
          OR A P THREE, WHICHEVER WAY, DORA ME, PROBABLY C3. 
          SO, UM, BUT THAT IT'S A C ONLY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT OF INVASIVE SPECIES THAT ARE HERE AND IF IT'S BEING DONE PER PROJECT. 
          AND THIS, I MEAN, AND, AND ANDY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE THE BEST IDEA OF THIS, LIKE IT'S JUST SORT OF A POLICY THAT SHOULD BE PUT IN THAT IF YOU'RE GOING IN AND DEVELOPING, UH, A PIECE OF LAND THAT INVASIVE SPECIES ARE REMOVED AS A PART OF THAT OR SOMETHING, IS THAT REALLY A COUNCIL PRIORITY TO SET, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OR IS THIS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS 
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A POLICY DECISION THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS MADE THAT INCORPORATED INTO THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON? I, I JUST DON'T KNOW. 
          LIKE WHEN I'M LOOKING AT MY ABCS IN THIS LIST, I'M THINKING, WHERE DO I WANNA PUT THE RESOURCES? RIGHT? AND TO ME, AGAIN, IT'S WILDFIRE AND PREPAREDNESS, RESILIENCY. 
          A, THE REST OF THEM ARE B WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE INVASIVE SPECIES, WHICH IS A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN FOR ME. 
          SO A C IF, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE THOUGH? I'M TRYING, I'M NOT STICKING BY THIS, THIS ISN'T, I'M JUST SAYING, I'M TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THAT MAKES SENSE IN TERMS OF FRAMEWORK. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS, AND I KEEP HEARING COUNSELOR KINSELLA SPEAK TO IT, OF YOU DON'T HAVE THE FULL CONTEXT. 
          YOU DON'T KNOW THE COST, YOU DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS. 
          AND I AGREE, AND I, SO I REALLY KIND OF WONDER WHAT THE POINT IS OF THIS EXERCISE RIGHT NOW OTHER THAN TO LOOK AT IT AND MAYBE SIMPLY JUST SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IN, IN CONSIDERING ALL OF THESE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HERE'S THREE OR FOUR THAT MAYBE DROP OFF, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA SEE, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET REVIEW AND THAT'S WHEN RUBBER'S GONNA HIT THE PAVEMENT. 
          SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH USE THERE'S GONNA BE FOR ANNETTE AND STAFF, HONESTLY. 
          I MEAN, UNLESS WE JUST SAY A FEW OF THESE, LIKE, EH, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT A PRIORITY. 
          OTHERWISE YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE PREPARING A BUDGET PRESENTATION ON ALL THESE THINGS ANYWAYS. 
          RIGHT. 
          EVEN IF IT'S A C3, PROBABLY C3, THREE C PRY, WHATEVER, LIKE EVEN IF IT'S THAT YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE PRESENTING SOMETHING TO US FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          RIGHT? WELL, I THINK IF SOMETHING WAS, UM, CONSISTENTLY LIKE THE LOWEST PRIORITY MM-HMM . 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD PREPARE ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET TO DO IT, OR WE WOULD SAY HERE'S LIKE A MINIMAL START TO THIS, UH, ASSUMING THAT IT'S GONNA COME BACK IN THE NEXT YEAR. 
          UM, I MEAN, I WILL TAKE ALL OF THIS FEEDBACK INTO CONSIDERATION AS TO HOW MUCH, UH, HOW ROBUST THE INVESTMENT I WILL PROPOSES FOR ANY OF THESE THINGS BASED ON THIS. 
          SO I THINK IT IS USEFUL FOR ME TO HEAR ALL OF YOUR THOUGHTS AND WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT ANY OF THESE PARTICULAR TOPICS. 
          SO, I MEAN, WOULD IT, OH, AND THAT BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR  SAY, WOULD IT BE MORE HELPFUL FOR US TO SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, COUNSELORS TAKE THE NEXT 10 OR 15 MINUTES AND SCORE EVERYTHING 1, 2, 3 OR A, B, C, WHATEVER, AND HAND IT TO YOU AND LET YOU SUMMARIZE THE SCORING AND NOW YOU HAVE SOME SENSE OF PRIORITIZATION, LIKE, OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST GONNA SIT HERE AND SOME OF THESE THINGS WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IN DETAIL, SOME OF 'EM ARE NOT MM-HMM . 
          I, I JUST, I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE THIS IS GONNA BE OVERLY PRODUCTIVE AND YOU, YOU ELIMINATE, WE ALL IN AGREE, WE ELIMINATE ONE PARTICULAR THING, OTHERWISE WE DO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THIS WAY ANNETTE KNOWS THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THAT AT ALL. 
          UH, DEREK, THAT'S ALONG THE LINES OF, WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS WE HAVEN'T EVEN MADE IT THROUGH ONE OF THESE SHEETS YET. 
          LET'S GO THROUGH AND RANK IT. 
          WE'VE BEEN ALREADY GOING FOR, WE DID ONE SHEET, RIGHT? 50 MINUTES WITH TWO ENTRIES. 
          BUT I MEAN, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE ALL EITHER VERBALLY OR WE JUST WRITE IT DOWN AND HAND IT IN, IF WE ALL GO THROUGH THE SHEET AND JUST RANK, RANK, RANK BREAK AT LEAST, THEN WE'VE GOT, OKAY, HERE'S OUR STARTING POINT. 
          SO IS THIS REALLY OKAY? THEN WE CAN GO HOME. 
          CAN CAN I, CAN I JUST ASK WHAT AN EXAMPLE OF A RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECT AT COMMUNITY SCALE IS SOLAR FACILITY. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, SOLAR IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IN, IN THAT AREA. 
          WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SOLAR, UM, SOLAR FACILITIES APPLIED TO OUR, OUR MUNICIPAL, UM, LIKE CITY HALL FOR INSTANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO CITY PROPERTIES BECOMING SOME KIND OF RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCE, RIGHT. 
          INSTEAD OF WHATEVER WE, WE USE TODAY. 
          RIGHT? OKAY. 
          THEN I GET CONFUSED ABOUT THAT, ANDY, BECAUSE I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT WAS MAYBE IN YOUR CARBON IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WHICH I'M OKAY NOT SCORING BECAUSE I'M THINKING IT'S A YES. 
          I THINK I'VE SEEN OUR STAFF BE VERY PROACTIVE ON THINKING ABOUT CARS AND SOLAR AND ELECTRIC CHARGERS AND ALL THAT SEEMS TO BE HAPPENING. 
          SO I DON'T FEEL THAT I NEED TO GIVE THAT A PRIORITY, BUT WHEN I READ THIS THING ABOUT COMMUNITY SCALE, I DON'T THINK ABOUT THE MUNICIPAL WORK. 
          I THINK ABOUT I I WOULD'VE THOUGHT YOU WERE THINKING OTHER THAN MUNICIPAL WORK. 
          AND, AND ACTUALLY YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          I'M SORRY, I MISSPOKE. 
          SO WHEN YOU TALK SPECIFICALLY, AND I CAN'T, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T READ THAT. 
          BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY SCALE, NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, BUYING CREDIT FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY 
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THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY GENERATED RIGHT HERE IN THIS, IN THIS AREA. 
          THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. 
          I WAS ALSO THINKING THAT THE SOLAR CO-OP WAS A COMMUNITY. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT THEY PUT IT TOGETHER. 
          SURE. 
          WHICH IS WAS AN EXCELLENT PROJECT. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT ALL OF THAT WAS PART OF CAP. 
          AND WHEN THEY PRESENT IT, IT ALL GOES UNDER CAP, WHICH IS ALL, ALL INSIDE OF ONE WORD OR ONE ITEM HERE, CARBON REDUCTION PLAN IMPLEMENTATION, WHICH HAS NOW BEEN RENAMED . 
          UM, BUT SO, SO TO ME THAT'S JUST A SUBSET OF THE OTHER ONE. 
          SO WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN RID OF ANYTHING, IT'S JUST, WE JUST MOVED IT. 
          AND, AND THEN I'LL JUST THROW THE OTHER WRINKLE THAT I STRUGGLE WITH HERE IS THAT IN OUR PACKET, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY GOAL HAD 13 ITEMS AND NOW WE'VE GOT SIX MM-HMM . 
          AND OKAY. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GROUP THOSE. 
          AND I MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT PRIORITIES OF SOME OF THOSE THAT I SAW ON THE 13 NOW, AND YOU'RE ASKING ME TO GIVE IT AN OVERALL PRIORITY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I COULD DO, BUT I, I DO STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT. 
          SO I, I MIGHT COUNTER THE GO THROUGH YOUR SHEET AND GRADE STUFF, BUT ON THE, THE MORE DETAILED PROJECT, RATHER THAN THIS HIGHER LEVEL ONE THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S GROUPED. 
          SO GIVE YOUR, GIVE YOUR AB AND CS ON EACH ONE OF THE BULLETS ITEM THEM IN YOUR PACKET. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO DO YOU WANNA TAKE A BREAK AND DO A LITTLE SCORING EXERCISE AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT? WE JUST GO ON THE LIST, WE'LL CALL 'EM OUT AND YOU PUT 'EM UP THERE. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DEFEND OUR, WE JUST, SO WHICH, WHICH ARE WE DOING? ARE WE DOING THE HIGHER LEVEL ROLL UP? YEAH. 
          OR PETE'S IDEA OF DOING BASICALLY INDIVIDUAL PROJECT LEVEL ALMOST, WHICH FOR SOME OF THEM, MAYBE START WITH WE'RE HAVING ENOUGH TROUBLE GETTING THROUGH THOSE. 
          I THINK WE START, WHICH I DO LEAVE SOME OF THOSE OFF BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY EITHER COMPLETED OR YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN US THE DIRECTION ON THE, ON A COUPLE OF THEM. 
          SO, OKAY, I'LL GO DOWN THE LIST. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          UH, WASTEWATER B WILDFIRE A, RIGHT. 
          HEAT MITIGATION, C, INVASIVE SPECIES REDUCTION. 
          C, IF IT'S ON ITS OWN, JUST INVASIVE SPECIES REDUCTION FOR THE SAKE OF IN SPEC INVASIVE SPECIES REDUCTION. 
          BUT IF IT'S PART OF WILDFIRE, THEN IT'S AN A. 
          SO NOT SURE HOW YOU WANNA RANK THAT ONE. 
          UH, RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECTS COMMUNITY SCALE C, CARBON REDUCTION PLAN IMPLEMENTATION. 
          C I'M NOT, I REALIZE IT'S ONGOING, BUT TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE TO DIVERT RESOURCES FROM WILDFIRE PREPAREDNESS TO KEEP THE CARBON REDUCTION PLAN MOVING FORWARD, I'M MUCH MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WILDFIRE. 
          B WASTEWATER A WILD WILDFIRE PREPAREDNESS A, I DID HEAT MITIGATION. 
          B, INVASIVE SPECIES B ONLY BECAUSE THAT'S NEW. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CONTRIBUTES TO WILDFIRE STUFF OR NOT. 
          I'M WILLING TO, DID YOU SAY HAVE A B PRIORITY TO GET IT MOVING SO I CAN UNDERSTAND IT MORE? C FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY AND, AND A YES FOR THE CARBON . 
          THAT'S NOT A CHOICE. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW. 
          I, I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD TO RANK THAT BY THE PREVIOUS RULE. 
          OKAY. 
          KATHY? READY? ANNETTE, I THINK I GOT YOURS ALREADY, BUT UNLESS YOU WANNA CHANGE THEM. 
          NO, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH REALLY QUICKLY. 
          OKAY. 
          BA, B, C, B, B. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND THE LAST B BEING CARBON REDUCTION IS ONLY BECAUSE IT'S ONGOING. 
          SO I, I FEEL IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO RIGHT. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT WAS BA, B, C, B, B. 
          AND I'LL GIVE YOU, LEMME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY AND I'LL CONVERT THE TWOS AND THREES TO B'S AND C'S. 
          . 
          I DO, IF YOU GUYS ARE TALKING, LET'S START OFF WITH B. 
          A, C, C, B, B, B. 
          AND I ALREADY HAVE YOUR A C. 
          OOPS. 
          TAKING A YES. 
          YOU GOTTA FIND THE FULL CIRCLES. 
          SCANTRON, WHAT WERE THE LAST THREE? UH, C, B, B, C, B. 
          HOLLY, AA. 
          C, B, C, B. 
          OKAY. 
          SO A, A, C, B, C. 
          I THINK I'M GONNA HAVE ALL AS ON THIS ONE, BUT I'M REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE I DON'T 
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UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M DOING. 
          BUT LIKE THERE MIGHT BE PROJECTS IN HERE THAT ARE EASY, FAST, CHEAP AND ALL. 
          AND IF I KNEW ABOUT THEM, I WOULD SAY A, GET IT, IT'S A GREAT PROJECT. 
          I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE I'VE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO REALLY WRITE, YOU KNOW, I, I GET THE FEELING WE'RE ALL ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT PRIORITY OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS REALLY WORKING, HOW DO WE ALL FEEL? DO YOU THINK THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A GOOD EXERCISE OR, I KNOW, I THINK THE QUESTION THAT SHOULD GO TO ANNETTE, BECAUSE IF SHE FEELS THAT SHE'S GETTING SOME DIRECTION OUT OF THIS EXERCISE, THEN, BECAUSE IT'S ALL GONNA ASK BRIAN, TO BRIAN'S POINT, IT'S GONNA COME BACK TO US IN A MORE DETAILED WAY. 
          SO IS THIS PROVIDING AN THAT DIRECTION TO PREPARE THAT? OOPS. 
          THE NEXT STAGE? YEAH. 
          UM, AGAIN, I FEEL IT'S VALUABLE FOR ME, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL FRUSTRATED. 
          UM, I WAS NERVOUS HONESTLY, COMING INTO THIS WRAP UP PORTION OF THE SESSION, NOT HAVING DONE THIS WITH YOU ALL BEFORE AND NOT, YOU KNOW, AND HEARING THE FEEDBACK FROM YOU FROM SEVERAL OF YOU THAT IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, IT WAS LIKE TOO MUCH OF A PROJECT LIST. 
          WE WANNA FOCUS ON HIGHER LEVEL CONCEPTS AND TRYING TO THINK OF HOW TO FRAME SOMETHING FOR, UH, YOU TO WORK THROUGH THIS TO TRY TO GET, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE PROJECT WEEDS AND INTO HIGHER LEVEL CONCEPTS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS MY ATTEMPT TO TRY TO, BUT I MEAN, JUST TRY TO FOCUS THAT TYPE OF CONVERSATION AND NOT WORRY ABOUT HOW MUCH IS IT GONNA COST OR WHAT'S THE PROJECT, BECAUSE WE'LL GO BACK AND FIGURE THAT OUT AND TALK YOU THROUGH THAT AT THE BUDGET. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, BUT HAPPY TO BE FLEXIBLE FOR HOWEVER THIS WILL WORK FOR YOU TO MAKE IT FEEL WORTHWHILE. 
          I JUST DON'T WANT A PROJECT THAT WE'VE APPROVED THAT'S IN THE PLAN THAT SOMEHOW IS A C HERE, BUT IT IT, BUT WE'RE, WE'VE APPROVED IT ALREADY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          'CAUSE WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS CATEGORIZED UNDER ONE OF THESE DOESN'T GET LOST. 
          GOTCHA. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ERIC, ULTIMATELY AN THAT'S THE ONE ASKED TO DECIPHER THIS, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS FROM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE A HIGH LEVEL POLICY STANDPOINT EXCEPT MAYBE PLANT REDUCTION. 
          CLEARLY WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THAT WILDFIRE REDUCTION IS A BIG DEAL AND IS OR NOT, I MEAN, ACROSS THE BOARD, EVERYONE A-A-A-A-A, I MEAN, SO I DO THINK THERE IS SOME VALUE IN THIS. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          I JUST WANT, THAT'S WHY I PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY APPROVED, LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T WANNA SEE ONE OF THEM GET DERAILED BECAUSE OH, NOW IT'S IN THIS OTHER COLUMN. 
          IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND IT'S ALWAYS ALREADY MOVING FORWARD, FINE. 
          UM, BUT CLEARLY WE'VE GOT SOME PRIORITIES HERE. 
          WE'VE GOT WILDFIRE NUMBER ONE. 
          A NUMBER ONE, EVERYBODY'S THINKING ABOUT IT WITH THE FIRES GOING ON IN LA SO I, I THINK THERE'S SOME VALUE IN THIS. 
          I THINK WE GO THROUGH THE WHOLE SHEET AND THEN OKAY. 
          LOOK AT IT. 
          VICE MAYOR. 
          YEAH. 
          READY? MELISSA? SO I, I FIRST JUST WANNA SAY IF THIS IS SUPPOSED TO HELP US THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE ORIENTING TOWARDS FUNDS BUDGET, THEN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE ONGOING, I MEAN, THINGS PRIORITIES CHANGE AND, AND THINGS WITHIN THE CITY CHANGE. 
          LIKE TWO YEARS AGO WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT WILDFIRE MITIGATION AND WATER RESILIENCY AND THOSE THINGS. 
          WE WERE, WERE, WE WERE, WE WERE, BUT WE WEREN'T, WE WEREN'T SAYING HOW MUCH WE WANT MONEY TO GO. 
          I'VE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS PRIORITY ONE FOR LIKE FIVE YEARS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SERIOUSLY. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW, THE THING IS WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE MONEY PART OF IT. 
          WHAT? AND, AND ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT NEVERMIND, NEVERMIND. 
          SO, UM, UH, I WOULD PUT WASTEWATER AND RESILIENCY AS AN A WILDFIRE AS AN A, UM, HEAT MITIGATION ADAPTATION AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          A C INVASIVE SPECIES, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PART OF WILDFIRE PREPAREDNESS AND MITIGATION OR NOT. 
          SO IT'S EITHER, TO ME IT'S EITHER AN A OR A C. 
          UM, RENEWABLE PROJECTS, A COMMUNITY SCALE TO ME IS JUST PART OF CAP. 
          SO IS THE OTHER ONE. 
          IT'S AN ONGOING PROJECT AND YES, WE SHOULD CONTINUE LOOKING AT IT, UM, UNTIL WE GET TO BUDGET AND THEN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S WHERE WE WANNA SPEND MONEY ON SPECIFIC PROJECTS. 
          A-A-C-B-C-Y-I CAN DO THAT AGAIN IF YOU WANT. 
          A-C-Y-A-C-Y-A-C-Y-A . 
          THE THIRD ONE WAS C, THIRD ONE WAS C, THEN B, C AND YBCY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH SHEET DO YOU WANNA DO NEXT? OKAY. 
          UM, WELL 
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DO YOU WANNA TACKLE THE BIG ONES? CIRCULATION AND HOUSING. 
          WHAT ABOUT WE HAVE CIRCULATION HOUSING. 
          UM, THE COMMUNITY GOAL, WHICH IS PRETTY SIMPLE BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE RANGER STATION PARK UPGRADES LAST NIGHT. 
          UM, AND YOU TALKED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT A LARGE GRANTS PROGRAM FOR ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATIONS. 
          UM, SO I WOULD CALL THESE BOTH WISE. 
          SO I THINK THE COMMUNITY ONE IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE YOU'D WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, THE LAND USE ONE. 
          UM, THERE ARE THO THAT DEFINITELY I'M INTERESTED IN YOUR INPUT THERE. 
          UM, WE HAVE HAD COUNCIL DIRECTION IN THE PAST ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE. 
          IT'S NOT DONE. 
          IT HASN'T EVEN STARTED. 
          I THINK IT'S STILL A PRIORITY TO ME. 
          IT'S A PRIORITY JUST BECAUSE SO MANY THINGS, UH, MECHANICALLY THAT HAPPENED IN THE CITY COME OFF OF THAT. 
          AND IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          UM, THERE WAS THE UPTOWN CFA IDENTIFIED AT YOUR RETREAT. 
          UM, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STAFF CAPACITY AND ABILITY TO GET THESE, THIS TYPE OF PROJECT EXECUTED, WE DEFINITELY HAVE A STAFFING, UM, DEFICIENCY AND LONG RANGE PLANNING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          AND IF THAT WAS A BIG PRIORITY THAT YOU WANTED TO SEE THAT DONE IN THE NEXT YEAR, THEN I WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK WITH SOME KIND OF PROPOSAL FOR YOU ON HOW WE WOULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          WHAT IEA CONSULTANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, YOU'VE MENTIONED WANTING TO REVISE THE DIGA. 
          I THINK THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD THAT, THAT, THAT WAS A REQUEST. 
          UM, AND THEN THE CONCEPT OF A CORRIDOR PLAN, I'LL CALL IT, UM, FOR 89 A THROUGH WEST SEDONA WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE RETREAT. 
          AGAIN, THAT WOULD TAKE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN HOUSE RIGHT NOW TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR EVEN DO A, A EDUCATIONAL SESSION FOR YOU ON FORM-BASED CODE. 
          SO, UM, HOW, WHICH I GUESS I WOULD THROW OUT, UM, UH, WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU, I GUESS, BETWEEN GETTING THE LDC UPDATED AND, UM, THE UPTOWN CFA, UM, THE DIGA ONE WILL, WILL COME FORWARD. 
          WE'LL, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT NOW. 
          UM, THE DIGA ONE WAS JUST A LITTLE MINOR EDIT, WASN'T IT? WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT REDOING THE WHOLE DIG. 
          I THINK THERE WERE A FEW EDITS WE WERE NO, THERE WERE SOME PROPOSED EDITS THAT ARE NEEDED, BUT ALSO A LARGER, A LARGER REDO. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BECAUSE IT HAS NOT SERVED, UH, AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY ATTENDED. 
          OKAY. 
          IT HASN'T BEEN USED. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU WANT US TO DO THOSE, THAT ONE SHEET NOW? UM, SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE, UM, TAKE A MO A MOMENT AND DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS ONE'S EASIER. 
          YEAH, THIS ONE'S EASIER. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I THOUGHT THE , UH, LAND CODE UPDATE. 
          A CFA PLAN. 
          C DIG A A WEST CORRIDOR PLAN. 
          SCRATCH IT. 
          . 
          AC. 
          AC. 
          TOO BAD. 
          THERE'S NOT A D IN THERE. 
          THAT'S SCRATCH. 
          OH. 
          AC B KATHY, I'M WAITING FOR HER. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          A BAB. 
          ABBA. 
          . 
          EXACTLY. 
          , AB, ABBA. 
          AB AB. 
          ABBA. 
          OKAY. 
          A, B, A C OR ELIMINATED FOR NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          A C. 
          A C. 
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OKAY. 
          THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR. 
          A BAD. 
          SEE, THIS IS WORKING. 
          THIS IS, WE LOOK AT IT TO MAKE IT A POINT. 
          DELETE. 
          SCRATCH. 
          WE OUTTA HERE BEFORE MIDNIGHT. 
          DON'T YOU WORRY ABOUT IT. 
          IT'S GOING FAST ACTUALLY, NOW IT'S GOING FASTER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND BRAND A, A, A C. 
          SO IS 89 A THE WEAKEST LINK? GOODBYE. 
          WHAT IS THAT? I MEAN, HOW DO, HOW DO WE HANDLE IT? UM, PROCESS. 
          IT'S UP TO HER. 
          I GUESS. 
          I THINK WE NOTE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S OUT THERE. 
          I'M SURE IT'LL COME BACK FOR MORE DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, BUT NOT THIS YEAR IN THIS BUDGET HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          LIVABILITY? SURE. 
          SO, UM, IN THIS ONE I TRIED TO CAPTURE ALL OF THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY TYPE THINGS. 
          UM, AND SO, LIKE I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, UM, DEFINITELY HEARD AN INTEREST IN THE FIREWISE PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY AT THE RETREAT. 
          UM, WHICH WOULD BE A PARTNERSHIP WITH SEDONA FIRE. 
          'CAUSE THEY KIND OF RUN THAT. 
          UM, WE HEARD INTEREST IN, UM, GETTING THE UPTOWN EMERGENCY ALERT SYSTEM GOING. 
          UM, WE HAVE A NEED TO UPGRADE OUR POLICE RADIO COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM WITH SEDONA FIRE. 
          AND THEN WE HAD ALSO, UM, HAD A DISCUSSION FROM THE POLICE CHIEF ABOUT A NEED FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR, UH, POSITION, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THAT'S SPREAD ACROSS MULTIPLE PEOPLE. 
          AND IF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE IF WE HAD A DEDICATED RESOURCE, IF THAT WAS A COUNCIL PRIORITY, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, THEN WE WOULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. 
          SO ANNETTE, FOR THE UPTOWN EMERGENCY ALERT SYSTEM, I THOUGHT THAT WAS FUNDED A HUNDRED PERCENT BY THE CO COO COUNTY. 
          THIS SAYS, UH, PARTNERSHIP WITH  COUNTY MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          THE, THE INITIAL INSTALLATION IS, UH, AND THEN IT'LL BE THE ONGOING, UH, MAINTENANCE COSTS AND OPERATION OF IT FROM YEAR TO YEAR AFTER THAT. 
          BOTH IN TANDEM. 
          YOU'RE GOOD. 
          , IS THAT GONNA HAPPEN IN FY 26 ? THE LATEST ESTIMATE IS BY THE SUMMER THEY'RE HOPING TO BREAK GROUND. 
          THEY WEREN'T MORE SPECIFIC. 
          SUMMER. 
          SUMMER OF, WHEN YOU SAY SUMMER? THAT 25, 26, 27. 
          OKAY. 
          COMING AROUND. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          2030. 
          BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF CALLS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I CAN MAKE THAT ONE A YES, IF YOU WANT THAT. 
          IT'S JUST ALREADY YES. 
          GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          OR PROCESS. 
          THAT'S A YES. 
          DO WE WANT TO GO DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN? YEAH. 
          SO THE, I WILL, UH, CLARIFY THAT THE RADIO SYSTEMS UPGRADE IS SOMETHING WE'RE IN CONVERSATION WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NOW AND SCOPING OUT LIKE THE ACTUAL WORK THAT WILL BE DONE IN FY 26 ON THAT PROJECT. 
          AND WE WILL HAVE A, UM, WE HAVE HAD MONEY AS A PLACEHOLDER IN OUR CIP IN THE PAST FOR THIS. 
          UM, AND NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT TO, TO ACTUALLY DO IT AND IMPLEMENT IT. 
          SO, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT'S A PRIORITY, I THINK. 
          BUT I I'M HOPING THAT THIS IS ALSO A YES, BUT IT WILL BE A BUDGET ITEM IN THE CIP, SO, ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YOU WANNA GO DOWN THE LIST? YOU READY? FOUR IS ALL THE WAY DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          OR AA? YES. 
          A HOWEVER YOU, HOW YOU, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO WRITE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          PETE, A, A, A B. 
          JUST KATHY. 
          I THINK SHE'S READY. 
          I THINK I JUST DELETED. 
          MAYBE NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          B, B, BA. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY, OKAY, GOOD. 
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MY GUESS IS HAD CONVERSATION. 
          A, A A C. 
          MM. 
          OH. 
          HI. 
          ARE YOU COMING TO HELP ME? YES. 
           HOLD. 
          WELL, A YES. 
          YES. 
          A OKAY. 
          A YES. 
          YES. 
          A A. 
          YES. 
          A A. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, NEXT LIST. 
          SO DID WE GET MOST, DID WE GET YOURS? YEP. 
          YOU OKAY? DO YOU WANT TO GO TO HOUSING? WE HAVE TWO LEFT. 
          HOUSING AND CIRCULATION. 
          AND THE CIRCULATION ONE. 
          UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE SUCH BIG CATEGORIES, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS FROM THE PREVIOUS ONES, THAT MIGHT BE CHALLENGING. 
          BUT WE DIDN'T DO THE, UH, COMMUNITY GOAL. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I MARKED THOSE AS BOTH. 
          YES. 
          BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT SOME RANKING ON THEM, UM, I AM HAPPY TO UNDO THAT. 
          I THINK YOU STATED YOU CAPTURED IT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          GOOD. 
          YEAH, THAT'S FINE. 
          UM, WE, I, I THOUGHT I HAD HEARD A MAJORITY AT THE RETREAT SAY THEY WERE INTERESTED IN A LARGE GRANTS PROGRAM AND THEN YOU DISCUSSED PARK LAST NIGHT. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE HOUSING AND CIRCULATION. 
          GREAT. 
          SO FOR HOUSING, THE WAY I SUMMARIZED WHAT WAS IN THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING, UM, EFFORT INTO A REGIONAL HOUSING COLLABORATION. 
          SORRY, HANG ON A SEC. 
          BACK ON THE COMMUNITY GOAL, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW CREATE A LARGE GRANTS PROGRAM IS A YES. 
          THAT IMPLIES SOMETHING THAT'S FUNDED THAT, UH, IS GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A AUTOMATIC OKAY. 
          I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY TAKE. 
          SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT, HOW THAT BECOMES A YES. 
          LIKE ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S A YES. 
          LIKE SOMEHOW WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON PREVIOUSLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S TOTALLY FAIR. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          I THOUGHT AT THE RETREAT WE DIRECTED STAFF TO COME BACK WITH AN OUTLINE OF A PROGRAM AND THEN WE WOULD DECIDE MM-HMM . 
          YES. 
          AND HOW MUCH WE WANTED TO FUND IT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT OF IT AS A YES. 
          IT'S YEAHS CAPTURED. 
          WE GAVE DIRECTION ON THAT. 
          WE DID. 
          IT'S UNDERWAY. 
          SO, UM, I AM PREPARING, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE DECISION PACKAGE PROCESS, THAT PROPOSAL OF HOW THAT GRANT WOULD WORK IN A PROPOSED DOLLAR AMOUNT. 
          BUT COUNCILOR FOLTZ IS CORRECT THAT IT'S NOT ALREADY FUNDED OR UNDERWAY, LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. 
          SO I GUESS IT'S KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE THERE. 
          AS I RECALL THE DISCUSSION, IT WAS MORE ABOUT WHETHER WE SEPARATE THE LARGE FROM THE SMALL SO THAT THE LARGE GRANTS PROGRAM ISN'T. 
          THAT WAS, AS I RECALL IT, I DON'T, LIKE BRIAN SAID, I DON'T REMEMBER US REALLY SAYING, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA DO IT, BUT EVALUATING SPLITTING IT. 
          SO IT IS, UM, SET UP AS A DECISION PACKAGE THAT'LL, IN THE PROJECT, IN THE BUDGET, SO THAT YOU STILL HAVE TO APPROVE IT. 
          IT'S NOT AUTOMATICALLY IN THE BUDGET YET. 
          DO YOU WANT TO RANK IT? YEAH, I, WELL I THINK WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          YES. 
          AND YES. 
          UH, WE'VE ALREADY, BECAUSE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, WELL THIS IS GONNA BE FOR THE BUDGET AND THEN RANGER STATION WE JUST TALKED ABOUT LAST NIGHT, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO HOUSING. 
          UM, THESE ARE THE, UM, 
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THE BIG ITEMS OUT OF THAT, UH, ORIGINAL LIST. 
          UM, THERE IS THE, UH, EFFORT FOR REGIONAL HOUSING COLLABORATION THAT, UH, WE HEARD, UM, THERE IS THE DESIRE OF THE COUNCIL'S PREVIOUS PRIORITIES AND DISCUSSION AGAIN ABOUT CONSTRUCTION, CONSTRUCTING MORE HOUSING UNITS. 
          I DID PUT IN HERE BETWEEN 60 AND 120% OF A MI, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE LITECH PROJECTS AT 60% AND BELOW. 
          BUT TOTALLY OPEN TO IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT OR MAKE IT LESS SPECIFIC. 
          UM, YOU HAVE THE HOMELESSNESS STRATEGIC PLAN COMING TOWARDS FINALIZATION. 
          SO I IMAGINE IN THE FY 26 BUDGET, THERE WOULD BE SOME IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT. 
          UM, AT THE RETREAT, WE DID HEAR AFTER YOUR DISCUSSION WITH OUR HUMAN RESOURCES MANAGER, UM, UH, SOME INTEREST IN SHOULD WE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE HOUSING PROGRAM, WHETHER THAT'S, UM, GUARANTEEING LEASES OF CERTAIN UNITS OR HAVING SOME KIND OF, UM, SPACE, UH, FOR PEOPLE TO LAND IN WHEN WE'RE RECRUITING STAFF TO HELP 'EM TRANSITION INTO THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THAT, UH, I PUT THAT ON THERE IF YOU WANT US TO WORK ON THAT. 
          UM, YOU DID TALK QUITE A BIT ABOUT INCREASED CODE ENFORCEMENT OF SHORT TERM RENTALS ALONG WITH THE LEGISLATIVE AG ADVOCACY FOR NEW REGULATIONS, UM, WHICH IS ONGOING. 
          BUT I WOULD IMAGINE IN THE FY 26 YEAR, WE WOULD NEED TO AGAIN, UH, KNOW THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT EFFORT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE INCLUDED THEM IN THE BUDGET FOR THE LOBBYIST, ET CETERA, FOR ANOTHER LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          ERIC, START DOWN THERE NOW. 
          UM, BECAUSE YOU THE NEW GUY. 
          I KNOW THAT'S FUN. 
          I AM GONNA SAY CAAB, BB AND JUST I'LL ADD ON THE LAST ONE. 
          IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T THINK THE ADVOCACY'S IMPORTANT. 
          I THINK IT'S PROBABLY UTAH. 
          WE WILL LET YOU KNOW AFTER THE END OF THIS SESSION, THINGS HOPEFULLY MIGHT CHANGE. 
          HOPEFULLY I'M OPTIMISTIC FOR THE FIRST TIME. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          UH, A FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, I'D LIKE TO SPLIT MY VOTE A FOR THE EXISTING PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE THAT WE KNOW ABOUT AND ARE MOVING SEE FOR NEW ONES MORE. 
          OH, LET'S FOCUS ON THE ONES, THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE KNOW AND GET 'EM ACROSS THE GOAL LINE IMPLEMENTATION. 
          AGAIN, I'M GONNA SPLIT MY VOTE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A HOUSING PLAN YET THAT'S APPROVED. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO CREATE THE PLAN OR DECIDE THE PLAN WITH AN A PRIORITY AND NO SCORE ON IMPLEMENTATION YET, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA EVENTUALLY DECIDE CREATION OF EMPLOYING HOUSING. 
          I PUT B FOR BUDGET. 
          I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT AS A YES, BECAUSE IT'S JUST GONNA BE A BUDGET DISCUSSION. 
          BUT INCREASED CODE ENFORCEMENT A AND LEGISLATIVE ADVOCACY. 
          A . 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW WITH ANDY'S HELP, WE CAN STREAM THAT EVEN FASTER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RANDY. 
          . 
          OKAY, I GOT B ON COLLABORATION. 
          A ON HOUSING UNITS, A ON STRATEGIC PLAN, C ON THE EMPLOYEE HOUSING, PROGRAM B ON INCREASED ENFORCEMENT AND B, OR IT'S REALLY A YES ON LEGISLATIVE ADVOCACY BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING IN, IN THE BUDGET AND GOING ON. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, B AND WITH PETE, A AND CI, I LIKE THAT IDEA. 
          FOCUSING ON TWO DIFFERENT POINTS. 
          UH, B, BA AND A U. 
          YES. 
          SAY, OKAY, 
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GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          CAI LIKE THAT SPLIT IDEA TOO. 
          A FOR THE PROJECTS WE HAVE AND ONLY WHEN THEY'RE DONE. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          SO HOMELESS STRATEGIC PLAN, LIKE THE SPLIT THERE TOO. 
          SAY A TO A FOR EXISTING. 
          THEN ONCE THOSE ARE DONE, DO YOU HAVE A A GRADE FOR NEW? WELL, A FOR THE NEXT SET, BUT NOT UNTIL THOSE ARE DONE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO A AND A. 
          YEAH, I THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH ON THE PLATE OF THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW. 
          NOW I THINK THERE'S TOO AND THEY NEED TO GET STUFF DONE THAT 'CAUSE NOTHING'S BEEN DONE YET. 
          OVER THE FINISH LINE. 
          IS PIZZA, UH, THE HOME OF STRATEGIC PLAN A TO COMPLETE IT? I HAVE NO IDEA AFTER THAT. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA SAY. 
          AND THE MONEY THAT THEY SHOWED US WAS UNBELIEVABLY, YEAH. 
          UNAFFORDABLE. 
          UM, HOUSING PROGRAM. 
          B CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          B. 
          LEGISLATIVE ADVOCACY. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M PROBABLY GONNA BUCK THE TREND. 
          I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT REGIONAL HOUSING COLLABORATION ENTAILS. 
          HOW COMPLICATED IT IS, HOW MUCH RESOURCE IT NEEDS. 
          I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 
          HOWEVER, I WOULD SAY THAT IF WE DON'T DO IT REGIONALLY, IT'S GONNA BE EVEN MORE DIFFICULT FOR US TO GET IT DONE. 
          SO I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S AN A AT LEAST TO EXPLORE. 
          UM, I AGREE. 
          A, LET'S GET WHAT WE'VE GOT DONE AND THEN LET'S EXPLORE WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO. 
          SO I WOULD WITHHOLD THE NEXT ONE PROBABLY A, A B FOR ME OR AN A, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH IS REQUIRED FROM THE CITY IN ORDER FOR US TO GET THOSE NEXT SET GOING. 
          UM, I ALSO AGREE, IMPLEMENTATION, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS, SO I, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON IMPLEMENTING. 
          SO YES, AN A, INSTEAD OF SEEING PIECEMEAL PROJECTS, IT WOULD BE LOVELY TO HAVE A PLAN THAT THOSE PROJECTS FIT INTO. 
          SO I KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADED. 
          SO A ON CREATION AND I HAVE NO IDEA UNTIL I ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THE PIECES ARE GOING TO BE. 
          UM, CREATION OF EMPLOYEE HOUSING. 
          I'M AN A HERE, I'VE HEARD HOW WE CAN'T, UH, ATTAIN, UM, WE CAN'T ATTRACT AND WE CAN'T RETAIN PEOPLE BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THAT PROGRAM LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, INCREASE CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          UM, THAT'S A B FOR ME. 
          AND YES, CONTINUE LEGISLATIVE ADVOCACY. 
          OKAY. 
          B, B, B. 
          DID YOU WANNA CAS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT SPLITTING, UH, INSTRUCTION. 
          GREAT. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I MISSPOKE ON SIX. 
          THE 61, 1 20. 
          THAT SHOULDN'T BE A C. 
          THAT SHOULD BE A A. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO GLAD ANDY'S HERE FOR THE NEXT ONE BECAUSE THESE ARE BIG TOPICS WITH THE, AS YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR YEARS. 
          UM, SO THE CIRCULATION GOAL HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, A HUGE GOAL OF THE CITY. 
          AND WHEN YOU SAW THE UM, UH, RETREAT, UH, PRESENTATION BY OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, YOU SAW THAT A VERY LARGE PORTION OF THE CITY'S BUDGET IS DEDICATED TO THIS GOAL. 
          A LOT OF CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          UM, SO, UH, IN THIS ONE, UM, WE HAD, UH, SUGGESTIONS FOR TRANSIT SYSTEM IMPROVEMENT. 
          SO WE DO HAVE A TRANSIT PLAN THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING AND THERE ARE VARIOUS THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY. 
          AND THEN THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT THAT WOULD BE NEW PROJECTS UNDER THAT PLAN FOR THE COMING YEAR. 
          UM, AND BASED IN, I KIND OF WISH I HAD BROKEN THOSE OUT FURTHER NOW ON THIS, BUT, UM, IT'S THE UPTOWN CIRCULATION STUDY AND THEN THE FIXED BUS ROUTE EVALUATION WHERE THE TWO NEW THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT THE RETREAT, IF YOU ARE HAPPEN TO 
          [01:25:01]
BE LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE BIG LAUNDRY LIST DRAFT, UM, TRAFFIC MITIGATION, I'LL HAVE TO LET ANDY TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          WE HAVE SO MANY SIM PROJECTS GOING ON WITH TRAFFIC MITIGATION THAT WILL CONTINUE TO COME FORWARD TO YOU. 
          UM, IN THE CIP YOU HAVE A SIM UPDATE COMING, UM, AT THE END OF THIS MONTH ON THAT. 
          BUT, UM, TRAFFIC MITIGATION I THINK CONTINUES TO BE A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY. 
          UM, UNDER MULTIMODAL IMPROVEMENTS, WE HAVE OUR, UM, UH, SHARED USE PATH PLAN THAT'S BEEN MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, IN THE RETREAT YOU TALKED ABOUT A DESIRE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF EVALUATION CRITERIA MATRIX THAT, UM, WOULD BE USED TO IDENTIFY WHERE THE NEXT SHARED USE PATHS, TRAILS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AND WHY. 
          UM, AND, UH, ANDY PREPARED THAT FOR YOU AND SENT THAT OUT TO YOU ALREADY SO YOU COULD SEE, UH, WHAT HE HAD COME UP WITH. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT, THIS WOULD BE THE CATEGORY WHERE IF THERE WAS ANY INTEREST IN ADDITIONAL STAFFING FOR, UH, MULTIMODAL EFFORTS, TRAIL COORDINATION AND MANAGEMENT, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          RIGHT NOW, UM, WE DO ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, BUT THEY ARE ASSIGNED TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT, UM, UH, POSITIONS. 
          UM, AND THERE WAS A REQUEST, AS YOU KNOW, UH, FROM THE COMMUNITY OF HAVING THAT CONSOLIDATED INTO ONE DEDICATED POSITION. 
          UM, WE ALSO IN THIS CATEGORY TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC SAFETY AND PATROL. 
          THE POLICE CHIEF TALKED TO YOU ABOUT STAFFING LEVELS BEING STILL AT 2009 LEVELS. 
          UM, THERE'S INCREASED DEMAND ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR TRAFFIC MITIGATION, YOU KNOW, DURING HIGH CONGESTION EVENTS. 
          AND THAT SPREADS THEM THIN FOR COVERAGE OF PATROL IN OTHER WAYS. 
          UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, PARKING MANAGEMENT, PARKING ENFORCEMENT, WE HAVE A NEW PARKING MANAGER. 
          WE'RE DEVELOPING ALL OF THOSE PLANS AND THE CONSOLIDATION THAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, HOW WE'RE GOING TO MONITOR, ENFORCE CHARGE, UH, FEES, ALL OF THAT. 
          IT'S PART OF THAT. 
          UM, SO ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE TECHNICALLY UNDERWAY, . 
          SO THAT AGAIN, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU NEED TO RANK THESE OR NOT, OR IF YOU HAVE PARTICULAR OPINIONS ABOUT THE LEVEL OF EFFORT IN ANY ONE CATEGORY OVER ANOTHER, BUT CERTAINLY INTERESTED IN YOUR FEEDBACK HERE. 
          BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE SUBSTANTIAL THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE BUDGET AND HAPPENING. 
          UM, SO NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO RANK THESE OR NOT. 
          I THINK THEY'RE ALL YESES ANYWAY. 
          THEY'RE ALL, YEAH, THERE ARE. 
          I DON'T THINK, UM, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYONE WOULD DISAGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THERE'S SOME NUANCES. 
          THEY'RE HUGE BUCKETS, HANDS ON. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. 
          YEAH, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T PUT TOO MUCH EFFORT INTO THE FIXED ROUTES AT THIS POINT. 
          IT'S NOT A HIGH PRIORITY FOR ME. 
          I DON'T KNOW ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE, BUT I'D LIKE TO, TO SEE US GET MORE TO, TO LOOK AT MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE SHUTTLE SERVICES THAT WE HAVE. 
          WHEN YOU SAY SHUTTLE, THE TRANSIT. 
          THE TRANSIT MICRO. 
          THE MICRO TRANSIT. 
          WELL, AND ALSO ARE THERE THE TRAILHEAD, THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLES. 
          YEAH. 
          AS OPPOSED TO STARTING DOWN THE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE FINISHED WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. 
          AT LEAST LET'S FINISH THOSE RIGHT BEFORE WE DO. 
          'CAUSE THE FIXED ROUTE WILL BE A FIXED ROUTE. 
          BUT THIS IS SOMETHING, ONE HELPS WITH THE TOURIST, THE OTHER HELPS WITH OUR RESIDENTS, WHICH IS REALLY WELL RECEIVED, WHICH SHOULD BE EXPANDED. 
          YOU GOT THAT ANDY? HE WANTS. 
          NO, BUT DO YOU STILL WANT TO GO DOWN THE LIST? HOLLY? GO AHEAD ANDY. 
          AS FAR AS EXPANSION, YOU MEAN THE HOURS OF SERVICE? WELL, THE COMMUNITY, THE, THE MAP COME DOWN TO THE CHAPEL, GO UP TO THE UPTOWN, GO UP, YOU KNOW, SO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE PART OF THE SYSTEM AND NOT, WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING SOME, RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE GETTING READY TO LAUNCH A NEW, UM, I GUESS, UH, CREATION OF ALL OF THE MARKETING MATERIALS FOR THE SPRINGTIME. 
          SO THIS IS HAPPENING LIKE RIGHT NOW, WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE CHANGING THE HOURS OF SERVICE FOR THE, THE CONNECT SYSTEM. 
          AND AS I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE PAST, WE WANTED TO PUSH THAT LATER INTO THE EVENING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE MICRO TRANSIT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          SO THAT'S IN PROCESS. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT INITIALLY. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT YOU'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE SERVICE AREA, RIGHT? WELL, WE'D LIKE THAT BECAUSE NOW WE'RE EXCLUDING CERTAIN PARTS OF THE, THE COMMUNITY. 
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YEAH. 
          AND ESPECIALLY IN SOME PEOPLE IN UPTOWN ARE OLDER, THEY COULD USE THE, THE SERVICE TO HELP THEM GET TO A DOCTOR OR TO SHOPPING. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD BE LOOKING AT AND ANALYZING BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT TIME THAT WE DO ANOTHER MARKETING, UH, A SERVICE CHANGE. 
          OKAY. 
          BASICALLY, WHAT'S THE CURRENT CONSTRAINT ON THE GEOGRAPHY? WE CAN SERVE? NUMBER OF VEHICLES, NUMBER OF DRIVERS. 
          WHAT'S THE IT, IT, IT'S BOTH, RIGHT? SO IF WE EXPAND THE AREA, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP OUR RESPONSE TIME WITHIN A CERTAIN ACCEPTABLE RANGE. 
          AND TO DO THAT, WE WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE MORE, MORE ACTUAL BUSES, WHICH MEANS MORE OPERATORS. 
          SO IT WOULD REALLY BE BOTH. 
          WELL AT LEAST GO WITH THE LOW HANGING FRUIT FIRST. 
          EXPAND THE HOURS FIRST. 
          'CAUSE YOU CAN USE THE EXISTING, BUT ULTIMATELY I'D LIKE TO GET TO THE ENTIRE CITY AND OUR RESIDENCE. 
          MAYBE IT'S A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, AND MAYBE OUR NEW TRANSIT MANAGER CAN FIGURE OUT GRANTS OR WHATEVER ELSE. 
          I THINK THAT'D BE A GREAT TASK FOR HER WHEN SHE STARTS, UH, TO START, WHAT WOULD BE NICE IS THE NEXT, HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO THIS, BUT ONE OF THE NEXT STEM UPDATES THAT WE HAVE, WE COULD INCLUDE HER AND HAVE HER REPORT ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          YEAH. 
          IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO SHE BE, THAT'D BE HER FIRST WEEK. 
          I'M SORRY, WITH THE NEXT SIM UPDATE HER FIRST WEEK? NO, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ONES AFTER THAT BECAUSE OKAY. 
          SHE ACTUALLY STARTS THE DAY AFTER. 
          OH, . 
          SO, YEAH. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          SURE. 
          SO I REALIZE EXPANDING THE HOURS IS THE LOW HANGING FRUIT, BUT IF WE HAVE A CHOICE, ONE OR THE OTHER, I THINK MY FIRST PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO EXPAND THE GEOGRAPHY SO THAT WE'RE FIRST COVERING ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS AND NOBODY'S BEING LEFT OUT BEFORE WE START DOING ADDITIONAL HOURS. 
          THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THE WHOLE CITY COVERED BEFORE WE START ADDING ADDITIONAL DAYS OR ADDITIONAL HOURS. 
          BUT THAT'S JUST MY PREFERENCE. 
          SO IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO SHIFT HOURS, NOT ACTUALLY ADD THEM RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THIS WON'T, THIS WON'T REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL RESOURCES. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE FOR MV IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE MORE OF A, A CHALLENGE TO, TO GET THAT STAFF. 
          'CAUSE YOU GOT, OF COURSE, WHEN YOU GO LATER INTO THE EVENING, YOU'VE GOT LESS PEOPLE THAT WANT TO WORK THAT SHIFT. 
          SO, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE DEALING WITH THAT, BUT, SO OKAY. 
          YOU HAVE THE ALL THAT DOWN, MELISSA. 
          SO UNDER THE MULTIMODAL IMPROVEMENTS, ARE YOU INCLUDING THAT DISCUSSION AROUND A COORDINATOR TO HAVE A LARGE PLAN AROUND HOW WE MOVE PEOPLE AROUND THE CITY? WHETHER IT'S TO TRAIL HEADS OR IT'S A ACROSS, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THAT EVACUATION EMERGENCY WILDFIRE OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, GOING BACK AND HAVING THAT CONVERSATION ON THE DIES AROUND CONNECTIONS BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH I REALIZED IN THE PAST HAS BEEN CONTROVERSIAL. 
          AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD. 
          HOWEVER, NOWADAYS WE ONLY HAVE TWO MAIN ROADS OUT. 
          AND IT MIGHT BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO, IF YOU ONLY HAVE ONE WAY IN AND OUT OF YOUR SUBDIVISION OR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE IN ORDER TO GET IN AND OUT, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE EMERGENCY VEHICLES GOING IN AN OPPOSITE DIRECTION TO YOU. 
          SO IS THAT ALL INCLUDED KIND OF IN THIS CONVERSATION WHEN WE COME TO BUDGET MM-HMM . 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          AND WE DID, UM, INCLUDE A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIONS IN THE BUDGET SURVEY THAT WENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC TO, UH, GAUGE THAT LEVEL OF INTEREST AGAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          ARE WE ASSUMING THAT STEPHANIE, THAT THE CHIEF IS GOING TO RAISE THE, IN A DECISION PACKAGE? THE STAFFING LEVELS FOR THE PD? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL THE LEVELS ARE JUST THE TWO ADDITIONAL PATROL. 
          UM, SO THERE ARE A COMBINATION OF DECISION PACKAGES RELATED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT ARE RELATED TO EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, THE RESOURCE OFFICER, AND THEN, UH, GENERAL PATROL STAFFING. 
          WHAT WAS THE LAST POINT? I'M SORRY. 
          PATROL STAFFING. 
          WOULD THAT BE MINIMUM STAFFING? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY, THEN I THINK, SO I JUST REALIZED THAT ONE ITEM THAT IS NOT ON HERE, AND WE CAN PLUG IT INTO, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WANT IT ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY OR LAND USE OR WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE IT. 
          BUT, UH, WE DID, UM, 
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TALK ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF THE CREEK WALK AT THE RETREAT MM-HMM . 
          AND I KNOW YOU'VE RECEIVED SOME PUBLIC INPUT FOR TODAY ABOUT THE CREEK WALK. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE AN ITEM COMING UP ON YOUR AGENDA AT THE NEXT MEETING ABOUT THE ACQUISITION OF THE A O PARCEL. 
          UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO, DO YOU WANNA DISCUSS THE CREEK WALK CONCEPT AS A PRIORITY, AS A COUNCIL PRIORITY OR NOT IN THIS CONTEXT? SINCE THAT'S COMING UP THOUGH, THAT WOULD SUPERSEDE ANY DISCUSSION THAT WOULD HAPPEN NOW IN ANY DISCUSSION THAT WOULD HAPPEN NOW, WOULD ACTUALLY, I THINK BE PREMATURE TO THE PRESENTATION AND THE INFORMATION THAT'S COMING FORWARD. 
          I, I, I, I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I WANNA SEE THIS AS PART OF THIS EXERCISE. 
          I THINK I WANNA WAIT FOR THAT DIS RIGHT WHEN WE MOVE AHEAD. 
          SO IS THAT ON A CONSENT OR IS THAT ON THE NO, THE ACQUISITION OF THE ADO PARCEL IS A REGULAR ITEM ON THE FEBRUARY 25TH MEETING. 
          SO, CORRECT. 
          I THINK IF WE DISCUSS IT NOW, WE'RE ALREADY SAYING HOW WE WOULD ANTICIPATE WE WOULD BE TAKING POSITION ON THE ISSUE. 
          SO, ANNETTE, WHEN WE DO DISCUSS IT, THE NEXT SECTION, NEXT SET OF MEETINGS, JUST REMEMBER TO ASK US A QUESTION THEN AT THE END OF THE DISCUSSION. 
          YEAH, NO PROBLEM. 
          WOULD THAT WORK FOR YOU? SURE. 
          ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS WE WANT HER TO ADDRESS? MAYBE THAT'S, OR DO YOU NOT WANNA EVEN GET INTO THAT? NOT, NOT NOW. 
          LET'S SAY PART OF THIS DISCUSSION. 
          I JUST WANTED TO PREPARE SO SHE'S PREPARED. 
          I, I HEAR WHAT KATHY'S SAYING AND I DON'T WANT US TO GET, UH, CROSS FACE. 
          I WANNA RUN A FOUL OF CURT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT HERE SHE GOES. 
          , UH, I SAW THE PHOTOS, YOU KNOW, THEY CAME, WE ALL SAW THE PHOTOS. 
          UH, AND IS IT, IS IT CART AND HORSE? SO WHAT I'M THINKING OF IS IT SEEMS LIKE A, UM, WOULD BE GOOD TO TAKE A, A LITTLE WALK OUT THERE BEFORE WE DECIDE TO PURCHASE PROPERTY FOR THE PURPOSE SYSTEM. 
          I'M ALREADY WORRIED. 
          I KNOW, WE'RE THAT WE'RE, IT'S NOT AGENDIZED, RIGHT? IT'S A SPECIFIC ITEM. 
          I THINK WE'RE, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT, BUT IT'S, BUT I HEAR YOUR SUGGESTION. 
          YEAH. 
           AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING THERE TO WALK ON TO MAKE IT SAFE TO YEAH, I WAS GONNA, I WAS GONNA SAY TALK ABOUT THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IT IS PRETTY STEEP. 
          RIGHT? UM, THE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO THROW OUT THERE IS THERE IS A CONSIDERATION OF THE PARCEL WE'RE LOOKING AT WOULD BE THE VERY SOUTH END OF THE CREEK WALK. 
          I THINK A LOT OF THE, WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FEEDBACK FROM HAS BEEN THE MORE OF THE NORTH END. 
          YES. 
          WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN IT'S ON THE, CAN WE? YEAH. 
          SO WE, BUT I HAD, THAT'S WHAT I PICKED UP FROM IT TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WORK FOR YOU, COURTNEY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT GORDON. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, NOT ON, IT'S NOT ON HERE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT FOR A MINUTE IS THE, WE, I THINK WE DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES FOR ANOTHER BYPASS. 
          WE DID THAT. 
          NO, THAT WE DID. 
          WE DID. 
          HOLD ON. 
          WE DID. 
          BUT THAT WAS GONNA WORK THROUGH THE, THE STATE AND THE, UH, THE RIGHT, THE REGIONAL, THE REGIONAL, UH, GROUP. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ACTUALLY DOING THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA LOOK FOR STATE AND STATE GRANT MONEY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, AND THEY ARE LOOKING AT IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO THE STAFF IS WORKING ON, UM, COORDINATING THAT REQUEST THROUGH THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN THAT NACOG IS DEVELOPING. 
          UM, WE ALSO INCLUDED A QUESTION ABOUT THAT ON THE BUDGET SURVEY THAT WENT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO GAUGE AGAIN, THE LEVEL OF INTEREST TO THAT, UH, TYPE OF, UH, PROJECT. 
          UM, SO WE COULD WAIT TILL THE SURVEY RESULTS COME BACK TO SEE WHAT YOU WANTED SAY ABOUT THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND OG DID PUT IT ON THEIR PRIORITY LIST, RIGHT? IT IS ON THE PRIORITY LIST. 
          I BELIEVE THEY'VE, THEY'VE ALREADY MET NIKKI CHECKS THAT SHE MET WITH, HAD ONE MEETING. 
          SO THAT YOU, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE V-V-T-P-O IS THE VERDE VALLEY TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION AND YEAH. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE AWARE OF THE CITY'S DESIRE TO INCLUDE THAT PROJECT IN THERE. 
          ANDY, WHO SITS, I USED TO SIT ON THAT, BUT KURT, UH, HARRIS IS OKAY. 
          IS THE CITY OF SEDONA REPRESENTATIVE, COULD WE GET SOME UPDATES FROM HIM THROUGH YOU? SURE. 
          WE SEND UPDATE AS THEY COME UP TILL WE, SO THE COUNCIL'S AWARE. 
          'CAUSE IT IS VERY, YOU KNOW, INTERESTING, UH, TOPIC, UH, AND NEWSWORTHY FOR US. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE HIM REPORT ON V-V-T-P-O TOPICS IN GENERAL OR SPECIFIC TO JUST SEDONA THE PROJECT? WELL, THAT PARTICULAR A BYPASS ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          WHERE THEY ARE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT, UH, OF PROJECTS. 
          I'M SURE I HAVEN'T BEEN, 
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I HAVEN'T ATTENDED ONE OF THOSE SINCE I, I LEFT VICE MAYOR, BUT, UH, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF PROJECTS, SO, ALRIGHT. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          THAT WAS IF, UNLESS FOLKS HAVE OTHER COMMENTS ON ANYTHING RELATED TO CIRCULATION, UM, NO, NO. 
          JUST FIX IT. 
          GET TAKEN CARE OF BEFORE DOING OUR BEST. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT ABOUT THAT. 
          AND VICE SMEAR HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT FIXED ROUTE C, LOW PRIORITY, WHICH I, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH. 
          I THINK WHAT I WANTED TO SAY WHEN WE GET OUR NEW TRANSIT MANAGER IS LOOKING AT OUR TRANSIT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, THIS COUNCIL REALLY HASN'T LOOKED AT IT. 
          AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR A NEW CONSULTANT STUDY TO REFRESH IT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING LET'S ALL GET OUR MINDS AROUND WHAT'S IN THERE. 
          IF I, IF I COULD, I TOTALLY AGREE. 
          AND THE OTHER CONSIDERATION WITH, WITH THAT IS SOME OF THESE FIXED ROUTE, UM, CONSIDERATIONS WE'RE GONNA HAVE ARE GONNA TAKE A LOT OF LEAD TIME, A LOT OF POLITICAL EFFORT TO BUILD UP TO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          SO IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME, IT'LL BE LESS, LESS A PROJECT ABOUT DEVOTING MONEY TO IT VERSUS STAFF AND COUNCIL TIME, UM, TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THOSE POLITICAL ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHY DON'T WE, IF WE GO ON TO THE NEXT SECTION, WHY DON'T WE TAKE A 10, 15 MINUTE 15 MINUTE, SO FIVE, TWO, UH, FIVE, FIVE TO FOUR. 
          I SAY FIVE TO FIVE. 
          THAT'LL BE A LITTLE TOO LONG. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FIVE, TWO LETTERS OFF. 
          IT TOOK A WHILE TO GET HERE. 
          OKAY, WE'RE BACK. 
          AND NOW THIS 
          [3.b. AB 3189 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of an Ordinance amending Sedona City Code Chapter 2.20 Council Procedures, Sections 2.20.090 (Robert’s Rules of Order Revised) and 2.20.100 (Suspension of Rules), and proposed amendments to the Sedona City Council Rules of Procedures and Policies. ]
IS GONNA BE KURT'S TERM. 
          THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. 
          MADAM VICE MAYOR AND COUNCILOR. 
          SO BEFORE WE, BEFORE YOU NOW WE HAVE THE, UH, COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURES. 
          UH, THE RED LINES IN THERE ARE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UM, AND THEY ARE MOSTLY CLEAN UP, UH, SMALL REVISIONS. 
          I'LL GO THROUGH THEM JUST ONE BY ONE QUICKLY. 
          IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEND MORE TIME ON ANYONE, JUST INTERRUPT ME. 
          UM, IF ANYONE WANTS TO DISCUSS A RULE THAT'S NOT IN HERE BY REDLINE ALREADY AS WE COME BY IT, I'M HAPPY TO STOP AT THAT AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, THE, THE FIRST ONE, THE FIRST TWO HERE IS JUST SOME CLARIFICATION LANGUAGE AND THE PURPOSE STATEMENT. 
          AND WE WANTED TO KEEP IT IN MIND IN THE FOREFRONT OF THE OPEN MEETING LAW. 
          UH, ALSO CONTROLS A LOT OF WHAT GOES INTO THESE RULES AND A LOT OF WHAT WE DO HERE IN THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS. 
          SO THOSE WERE ADDED IN THERE. 
          UM, IN RULE TWO, UH, WE WERE LOOKING TO UPDATE RULE 2D CONDUCT AND PUBLIC MEETINGS, UM, UPDATE THE, UH, HOW WE, HOW WE ACTUALLY DO IT. 
          UH, THE MAYOR'S, THE LANGUAGE FROM THE PREVIOUS MAYOR AND CURRENT MAYOR HAS BEEN TO SILENCE YOUR PHONES AS ABOUT ASK, UH, THE RULES REQUIRED EVERYONE TURN OFF THEIR PHONE. 
          SO THAT WAS AN UPDATE. 
          COUNCILOR FERMAN, DID YOU HAVE I JUST PROCEDURE HERE AGAIN? YEAH, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON RULE ONE. 
          SURE. 
          AND IS THIS HOW YOU WANNA DO IT, MAYOR, OR DO YOU WANT KURT TO GO THROUGH HIS THING OR? I WOULD PREFER YES. 
          YOU WOULD PREFER WHAT? KURT GOES THROUGH THE LIST AND YOU WANT HAVE QUESTIONS OF YOU GOING DOWN THE LIST INSTEAD OF JUST GOING HAPHAZARD. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I THINK OTHERWISE WE GO BACK AND FORTH TOO MUCH. 
          AND SO IF WE CAN STAY ON RIGHT, AND I CAN GO A LITTLE SLOWER AND MAKE SURE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BRING UP ANOTHER RULE HAS TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I WANT TO START BY TALKING ABOUT, UH, ONE B FOUR, WHICH IS OUR TEMPORARY RULE CHANGE, WHERE IT'S BEEN IN THE RULES THAT WE DO A MAJORITY VOTE TO, UH, TEMPORARILY SET ASIDE OUR RULES. 
          AND I WOULD, I I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT MY UNCOMFORTABLENESS OF HEAT OF THE MOMENT. 
          EASIER DECISIONS. 
          I WOULD THINK, UH, IN THE HEAT OF A MOMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF A MEETING, IF WE'RE TRYING TO TEMPORARILY CHANGE A RULE THAT IT SHOULD BE MORE THAN A 50% VOTE. 
          CAN YOU GIMME AN EXAMPLE? PARTICULARLY WE'VE, WE'VE NEVER DONE IT, BUT I'M LOOKING TO THE FUTURE AND MOST OF, MANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT I'M GONNA MAKE TODAY ARE LOOKING AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN WASHINGTON DC AND THE UNITARY EXECUTIVE AND THE, THE CONGRESS KIND OF GIVING AWAY ITS POWER. 
          AND I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 
          AND SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT HOW EASY WE ON THIS BODY HAVE GONE THROUGH OUR RULES ONCE A YEAR, AND WE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO IT, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT IF SOMEONE'S GOT SOMETHING HAPPENING 
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AT THE LAST MINUTE DURING A MEETING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU JUST WANNA SUSPEND A RULE THAT, THAT'S TOO EASY. 
          KATHY, PHILOSOPHICALLY, I, I AGREE. 
          UM, JUST TO THE WORDS OF THIS THOUGH, IT ONLY PERTAINS TO RULES NOT GOVERNED BY ORDINANCES OR THE CITY CODE OR THE OPEN MEETINGS LAW. 
          SO MOST OF THE STUFF IS, THIS DOES NOT PERTAIN TO AS I READ THIS, BUT IT DOES PERTAIN TO EVERYTHING ELSE CONTAINED IN THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF RULES IN THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DO DIFFERENTLY THAN ROBERT'S RULES OR DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND, AND THE SUSPENSION BY A MAJORITY VOTE. 
          SO FOUR COUNSELORS, UM, HAS, AS FAR AS I, I THINK IT'S BEEN IN THERE SINCE THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND IN THE, MY TIME HERE, ALMOST FIVE YEARS, IT, WE SUSPENDED IT ONCE, WHICH WAS JUST RECENTLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER TIME. 
          I KNOW IT'S A RARE THING, BUT IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO THE RD SEN UH, APPEAL THE RD SEN UH, SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. 
          THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME. 
          I'M ALSO, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE APPLY IT, UM, CONSISTENTLY. 
          'CAUSE FOR AN EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A RULE ABOUT NO EATING ON THE DAIS. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE MEETINGS THAT GO LIKE ALL DAY, LIKE BUDGET PRIORITIES, VARIOUS WORK SESSIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE JUST DO IT. 
          BUT WE DON'T ACTUALLY TAKE A VOTE TO SUSPEND THAT RULE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, IT'S A RULE THAT NOBODY REALLY FOLLOWS ANYONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          WE, IT'S THAT SECTION. 
          COME ON, . 
          SO I SHOULD SAY ONLY A FEW DON'T FOLLOW THE RULE , I WOULD, YOU KNOW, MAYOR AND COUNCIL ON, ON THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY, IT SAYS, UH, REFRAIN FROM EATING. 
          SO IT'S NOT A PROHIBITION, IT'S A, YOU SHOULD REFRAIN FROM IT. 
          UM, SO IT WASN'T A HARD RULE TO BEGIN WITH. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY I'VE NEVER HAD, I'VE NEVER, YOU KNOW, STOPPED COUNSELORS IF THEY WANTED TO. 
          AND IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DRINKING TOO. 
          AND SO IT'S LIKE EVERYONE'S UP THERE, YOU KNOW, WITH THEIR WATER SEEMS FINE. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S WHY THAT ONE HASN'T COME. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER EXAMPLES. 
          YOU HAVE COUNCILOR KINSELLA, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE GENERALLY, LET'S NOT MAKE IT TOWARDS JUST A PRO. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          IT WAS ONLY EASIER. 
          IGNORE ANY OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE OTHERWISE HAVE A GREATER, UH, A THREE FOURTH MAJORITY VERSUS A SIMPLE MAJORITY FOR SUSPENSION OF ANY RULE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, AND THEN THE, THE COUNTER ARGUMENT TO THAT IS THAT IT THEN BECOMES A MINORITY RULE. 
          SO IF YOU MAKE IT THREE-FOURTHS AND ONLY, UH, TWO COUNSELORS, UH, YOU NEED SIX COUNSELORS. 
          UM, SO IF TWO SAY NO, THEY DON'T WANT TO SUSPEND THE RULE OR NO THEY DON'T WANNA DO, THEN THEY ARE TRUMPING THE, UH, THE REST OF COUNCIL OR, OR ONE IN THAT CASE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, OR BE SIX TO ONE. 
          SO THAT'D BE THREE, FOUR STILL. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOU NEED TWO JUST TO STOP THAT SENSITIVE TO THE POINT THAT YOU RAISED. 
          AND AS I SAID, PHILOSOPHICALLY AGREE WITH YOU. 
          I, I DON'T, I DON'T THOUGH SEE THIS AS RISING TO THE NEED OF THIS A CHANGE AT THE MOMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO GET IN FRONT OF WHEN THE HORSE GETS OUT OF THE BARN. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PAINT WEIRD SCENARIOS THAT IN THE NEXT ELECTION A MAYOR AND THREE OTHER COUNSELORS COME IN HERE AND WANT TO START WHOLEHEARTEDLY CHANGING THE RULES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          LIKE A RECENT EXAMPLE NATIONALLY. 
           MM-HMM . 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT, IS THAT A GOOD THING? I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. 
          WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT THESE RULES AND MAKING THEM RIGHT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO I THINK IT'S TIME TO PROTECT THEM, ESPECIALLY AT THE LAST MINUTE. 
          MELISSA, BRIAN, ANYTHING TO SAY? I MEAN, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT I UNDERSTAND THE POINT AND, UM, WE DON'T DO IT SO OFTEN THAT IT'S REALLY A, IT'S REALLY A CONSIDERATION. 
          SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU COULD CHANGE THIS RULE AND MAKE IT A SUPER MAJORITY AND IT STILL WOULDN'T GET EXERCISED VERY FREQUENTLY. 
          SO, UM, I THINK IT'S, THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S NO HARM IN MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT. 
          UM, I JUST, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE USED AS OFTEN AS WE THINK IT MIGHT BE. 
          I HOPE IT'S NEVER USED, BUT I, I SEE NO POINT OF CHANGING IT RIGHT NOW. 
          I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT THE WAY IT IS AND I THINK I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL LONGEST THAN EVERYBODY HERE NOW. 
          AND I DON'T THINK MAYBE EXCEPT RD OLSEN WAS THE ONLY TIME IT WAS USED TO MAKE IT MORE STRINGENT. 
          JUST BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT LOOKING FOR, AGAIN, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT US, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE, BUT LET, AND OF COURSE WHATEVER WE DO DOESN'T BIND IN THE HANDS OF ANY FUTURE COUNCILS. 
          BUT LET, LET'S LEAVE IT UP TO THEM. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO, UH, THE RULES ARE SUBJECT TO THE ORDINANCE THAT'S CREATING THEM, UH, THE INITIAL ORDINANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL FIRST ADOPTED, UH, AND ALLOWED COUNCIL TO THEN THEREAFTER AMEND THE RULES OF PROCEDURE BY 
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SIMPLE MAJORITY VOTE. 
          UM, AND AN ORDINANCE PER STATE LAW IS ALWAYS GONNA ONLY REQUIRE FOUR VOTES TO, TO AMEND. 
          SO THE, UM, IF YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, IF YOU MAKE IT HARDER TO AMEND THE RULES, THEN IT MIGHT FORCE FOUR COUNSELORS TO, YOU KNOW, IF TWO PEOPLE ARE PULLING UP AMENDING THE RULES, THEN YOU COULD END UP WITH FOUR COUNSELORS TOSSING OUT ALL THE RULES ALTOGETHER. 
          RIGHT BRIAN? SO I, I GUESS REALLY THE PRACTICAL ASPECT OF IF YOU MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT NOW IF, IF A FUTURE GROUP WANTS TO PULL SOME SHENANIGAN, IT IS JUST GONNA MAKE THEM KICK THE CAN DOWN THE CURB A LITTLE BIT SO THAT THEY CAN GO AND JUST CHANGE THE ORDINANCE BACK TO A MAJORITY. 
          IF THAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. 
          LIKE IT WHAT YOU'RE FEARFUL OF. 
          IF, IF IT'S DESIRED TO BE DONE, IT WILL STILL BE DONE. 
          IT MAY JUST TAKE ANOTHER 30 DAYS OR SOMETHING. 
          BUT IT'LL STILL END UP WHAT WE FEAR IS WHAT WILL STILL HAPPEN. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IS IT CONSENSUS HERE TO MAKE THE CHANGE IN SUPPORT OF WHAT PETE'S SUGGESTING? NO. 
          I, I I FEEL LIKE COUNCILLOR FURMAN'S PROPOSED IT AND EVERYONE ELSE SEEMS LIKE IT'S OKAY THE WAY IT IS. 
          I DON'T RIGHT. 
          I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THANKS FOR THE IDEA. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU PROTECTING THE ORGANIZATION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ANY OTHER CHANGES IN RULE ONE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          RULE TWO. 
          RULE TWO. 
          THE FIRST ONE I HAVE IS IN UM, RULE 2D, WHICH IS CONDUCT IN PUBLIC MEETINGS. 
          AND IT WAS A CHANGE TO BRING IT INTO UPDATE TO HOW THINGS ACTUALLY WORK. 
          TODAY WE MUTE OUR PHONES. 
          UM, THE VIBRATIONS USUALLY AREN'T LOUD ENOUGH TO, TO BOTHER PEOPLE. 
          ALTHOUGH TODAY, UNLESS  AND KURT WERE, WILL YOU MAKE AN ADDITIONAL CHANGE HERE? YOU MADE THIS CHANGE NOW. 
          SO AT THE BOTTOM IT'S NOW EACH PAGE TELLS US WHAT RULE THAT WE'RE ON. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT SOME OF THESE EVEN GO ON MULTIPLE PAGES. 
          LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT PACKET PAGE 17, WHICH IS, I HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE IT'S RULE TWO G AND G EXTENDS ONTO THE NEXT PAGE. 
          CAN WE SEE, CAN WE SHOW THAT THAT'S STILL G YEAH. 
          CONTINUED. 
          YES. 
          I THINK WE CAN TIE UP ON THE BOTTOM WE DID ADD IN THE RULE, UH, WHAT RULE YOU ARE ON BECAUSE IT IS RULE THREE'S THE LONGEST AND SOMETIMES YOU FORGET WHICH RULE YOU'RE IN. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, WE CAN LOOK AT, SO FOR THIS PAGE IT WOULD BE RULE TWO A THROUGH D. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ONE IS RULE THREE. 
          DO DO WE WANT FROM THE IS ON THIS BOARD? OH, DAMN. 
          AGAIN, IT'S RIGHT THERE. 
          REFRAIN. 
          IT SHOULD BE RIGHT HERE. 
          RIGHT HERE. 
          NUMBER 10. 
          DOES ANYBODY FEEL THAT THERE'S A REASON TO ADDRESS THIS? COUNSEL COUNSELORS SHALL REFRAIN FROM EATING. 
          I, I MEAN I, THEY DO DON'T GENERALLY EAT, BUT OCCASIONALLY I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TOUCH IT. 
          I THINK QUITE HONESTLY, I THINK THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD AT ABOUT VERY SURREPTITIOUSLY DOING THINGS AND THERE'S HEALTH REASONS FOR SOME TO BE DOING IT AND I DON'T SEE A REASON TO TOUCH IT. 
          BUT DOES ANYBODY, BUT IT SHOULD BE JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT DOES HAPPEN UP HERE. 
          SO THEREFORE WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD OWN THAT, YOU KNOW, , RIGHT? WE PROHIBITION, YOU KNOW, SHOULD OWN IT. 
          BUT'S, I SAID NO, YOU I OWN IT. 
          ME SHOULD HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          I'VE GOT ANOTHER ROLL THREE. 
          I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT RULE THREE A FIVE, WHICH IS EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          SO WE'RE ON RULE TWO. 
          JUST MAKE SURE WE WERE THREE. 
          NO WE'RE TWO. 
          WE WERE IN TWO STILL. 
          JUST MAKE SURE WE GOT, OKAY, WE'RE READY. 
          WE'RE LOOKING. 
          ANY, ANYONE ON RULE TWO BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY, WELL, WE'LL WAIT FOR A SECOND QUESTION. 
          JUST, UH, HOW CAN YOU READ THAT TWO E THREE? I KNOW IT'S LIKE RIGHT UP ON MY NOSE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UM, YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA, OKAY, LET THAT GO. 
          GO TO F THREE REFERS TO LIKE CITY TALK ARTICLES ASSIGNED TO BE WRITTEN BY COUNCILORS SUCH AS CITY TALK, BUT THERE AREN'T THOSE ANYMORE. 
          SHOULD WE REFLECT THAT THIS HAS BEEN, SHOULD THIS BE REMOVED OR AT LEAST THE REFERENCE TO THE CITY CHECK COLUMN SHOULD BE REMOVED? WILL BE, WE'LL INCLUDE THE DISCLAIMER. 
          I WOULD RATHER LEAVE IT FOR THE REASON BEING THEY MAY COME BACK. 
          WELL I JUST, THE CITY TALK IS THE PART PART I'M TALKING ABOUT REMOVING THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT MAYBE THOSE AREN'T NOT, NOT STANDARDIZED, NOT SAY SPECIFICALLY CITY TALK, BUT ARTICLES SUCH AS THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, IT SHOULD JUST TAKE OUT SUCH AS CITY TALK. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          ARTICLES ASSIGNED TO BE WRITTEN BY COUNSELORS WILL INCLUDE YES, I THINK PERFECT. 
          I THINK 'CAUSE EVEN THIS EVENT ON THE 20TH, I ALREADY HAVE THEM SPEAKING BEFORE IT EVEN STARTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          THERE'S A DISCLAIMER FOR ALL OF US. 
          SO IT'S, I YEAH. 
          'CAUSE I JUST THINK USING ANY EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT'S NOT 
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A REALISTIC EXAMPLE CONFUSES IT RATHER THAN CLARIFIES IT. 
          YEP. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          NO CONCERNS FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT. 
          SO. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON RULE TWO? OKAY. 
          OKAY, THEN RULE THREE, SOME GENERAL CLEANUP AND OKAY. 
          A THERE, LET'S DO KURT'S FIRST BEFORE WE GET TO PETE'S. 
          UH, RULE THREE B PRESIDING OFFICER DUTIES. 
          UH, THESE ARE THE DUTIES OF THE MAYOR. 
          UM, JUST SOME GENERAL CLEANUP ON RIGHT. 
          HOW TO DO IT. 
          ONE, ONE ADDITION. 
          HERE IT IS, IT'S ALREADY CONTAINED FURTHER DOWN, BUT I PUT IT HERE. 
          'CAUSE IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO TO REMEMBER, BUT ANYONE CAN, UM, ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL, UH, CAN CHALLENGE THE, THE MAYOR'S RULING ON, ON, UH, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SPEAKERS GOING BEYOND THEIR TIME. 
          UM, AND TO DO SO THEY JUST MAKE A MOTION. 
          IT DOES NEED A SECOND AND THEN IT CAN BE DEBATED. 
          AND THEN IF A MAJORITY VOTES FOR IT, THEN IT'S ADOPTED. 
          AND SO THE MAYOR'S PROCEDURAL RULING CAN BE OVERTURNED. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, SOMETIMES THERE'S REQUESTS THAT REOPEN PUBLIC COMMENT MAYBE FROM, YOU HEAR IT FROM THE GALLEY FROM MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR SAYS NO. 
          UM, AND THAT'S HIS RIGHT UH, TO DO. 
          UH, AND THEN IT'S THE RIGHT OF ANY COUNSELOR TO CHALLENGE THAT. 
          IF THEY DID, DIDN'T LIKE THAT PROCEDURAL DECISION, WOULD THIS ALSO PERTAIN TO JUST 'CAUSE IT'S AN EXAM? 'CAUSE THAT TODAY, SO IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE. 
          WE IN THE PAST HAVE USUALLY TAKEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON, ON MATTERS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. 
          BUT SINCE THIS WAS A WORK SESSION, UM, IT WAS SAID THAT THERE WOULD BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT TAKEN. 
          THERE ARE ONLY THREE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          SO WHY WOULD WE GO OUT OF OUR WAY TO MAKE SURE TO SAY THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN THERE ARE ONLY THREE PEOPLE WHO OBVIOUSLY HAD AN INTEREST IN COMING. 
          SO CAN A DECISION LIKE THAT BE CHALLENGED AS WELL? YES. 
          SO, UH, YOU'VE GOT ONE C THERE, THE PRESIDING OFFICER TO RESOLVE QUESTIONS OF PARLIAMENTARY LAW OR PROCEDURE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE THE PROCEDURAL. 
          SO IT'S BEEN, UM, THE, THE MAYOR AND IT'S RIGHT ON THE AGENDA, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR, UM, IT'S AT HIS DISCRETION, UM, TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          THERE IS NO PUBLIC FORUM, WHICH WE COULD, WE WILL GET TO THAT ONE IN A SECOND ON, UH, THE, THESE SPECIAL SESSIONS WORK SESSION MEETINGS. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, IF THE MAYOR SAYS NO PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL CAN SAY, UM, CAN RAISE THAT, RAISE AN OBJECTION TO THAT. 
          UH, AND THEN IF IT GETS A SECOND, THEN DISCUSSION AND THEN A VOTE AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ALLOWED ON THAT ITEM. 
          I'D ADDRESS THAT. 
          I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO BE VERY CONSISTENT IN WHAT WE DO. 
          SO WORK SESSIONS, UNLESS IT TURNS INTO A, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE HAVE AN ACTUAL MEETING WHERE WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON SOMETHING, WE'RE NOT GONNA VOTE AT A A WORK SESSION USUALLY. 
          SO WHY HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT UNTIL WE'RE READY TO VOTE ON IT? AND TO ME THAT'S AN EXTRA STEP. 
          AND WORK SESSIONS, I TRY NOT TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT . 
          SO I'M BEING VERY CONSISTENT IN WHY WHAT I DO. 
          'CAUSE I WANT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TRANSPARENCY. 
          THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT WORK SESSIONS, THERE'LL BE NO COM PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC MEETING IN THE FUTURE TO ADDRESS THE SAME TOPIC. 
          AND IT WOULD OF COURSE BE A PUBLIC COMMENT AT THAT TIME. 
          I GET YOUR POINT. 
          I JUST, FOR ME, I GUESS IT, IT'S JUST, I THINK USUALLY THERE'S SUCH A LOW ATTENDANCE AT WORK SESSIONS ANYWAY THAT WHEN SOMEBODY COMES, YOU KNOW, AND HAS AN INTEREST, I DON'T WANNA RULE THAT OUT. 
          PLUS I THINK IT'S PART OF THE EARLY VETTING AND WORKING THROUGH, UH, POSITIONS. 
          I LIKE TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC INPUT ON THAT. 
          AND WHAT I TRY TO DO IS, UM, KEEP THE MEETING MOVING EVEN THOUGH IT'S A WORK SESSION AND MAYBE THERE'S THREE PEOPLE AND WHY I ANNOUNCED IT LIKE TODAY IS IN CASE THESE PEOPLE THOUGHT, OH, MAYBE THERE WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENT, I WANTED TO CLEAR IT SO THEY DON'T WAIT AROUND. 
          WE'VE HAD PEOPLE JUST COME IN TO, TO SAY THAT THREE MINUTES AND THEY LEAVE AND THEY DON'T EVEN LISTEN TO, UH, THE MEETING. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT. 
          BRIAN, MAYOR, I THINK ON THIS POINT, IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU AND WHETHER YOU'RE BEING CONSISTENT OR NOT, I THINK THERE'S JUST THE BROADER QUESTION OF WHEN WE'RE MEETING PUBLICLY, DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE INPUT TO US? SO, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSISTENCY ON THIS POINT. 
          NO COMPLAINTS WHATSOEVER, RIGHT? YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES AS WE'VE AS, AS THEY EXIST. 
          I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IS DO WE WANNA ALLOW PEOPLE TO SPEAK WHENEVER WE'RE GETTING TOGETHER PUBLICLY IN THIS CHAMBER? I THINK I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS YES, WHY NOT? UM, IF FOR SOME REASON IT WAS, YOU KNOW, UH, FULL, 
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UH, YOU KNOW, FULL CHAMBER AND PEOPLE OUT IN THE AUDIENCE, THEN THE MAYOR HAS THE OPPORTUNITY OR THE RIGHT TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, INSTEAD OF THREE MINUTES, IT'S TWO MINUTES. 
          UH, YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SAY, HEY, IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING NEW TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION, THEN JUST SAY DITTO, WHATEVER EVERYBODY ELSE SAID. 
          SO THERE'S WAYS OF, I THINK STILL TRYING TO KEEP US MOVING ALONG, BUT I WOULD JUST LEAN TOWARDS LETTING THE PUBLIC HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO US. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THREE. 
          ANYBODY ELSE WHO FEELS THE SAME? YEAH, I, I, I SUPPORT THAT AS WELL. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD, BUT YEAH, WHEN, UH, IT WASN'T THIS MEETING BUT IT WAS A PREVIOUS ONE AND SOMEONE CAME UP HERE AND YOU SAID, NO, WE DON'T ALLOW COMMENT AT, AT OUR WORK SESSIONS. 
          AND I WAS JUST FRANKLY EMBARRASSED MM-HMM . 
          AND WASN'T UP TO SPEED. 
          REMEMBERING THE RULE THAT I COULD CHALLENGE THAT. 
          AND I THOUGHT ABOUT IT AGAIN TODAY, WHEN, WHEN YOU DID THAT. 
          I JUST THINK IT'S DISRESPECTFUL TO OUR PEOPLE. 
          IF ANYONE TAKES THEIR TIME TO COME TO ONE OF OUR MEETINGS AND I WANT TO HEAR FROM 'EM. 
          IT'S A, JUST A MUTUAL RESPECT. 
          AND THEN REGARDING THE CONSISTENCY, IT'S NOT EXACTLY INCONSISTENT MAYOR, BUT WHEN WE HAD OUR SESSION ON THE HOMELESSNESS AND WE HAD LOTS OF THE PROVIDERS IN THE AUDIENCE, WELL, I THINK TECHNICALLY THAT WAS PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          THEY WERE COMING UP TO THE MIC. 
          SO I MEAN, THEY HAD A SPECIAL INTEREST RATHER THAN A GENERAL INTEREST. 
          BUT NONETHELESS, IT, IT, I I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE WITH THE CONSISTENCY ARGUMENT THERE. 
          WELL, THEY, I DIDN'T LOOK AT THEM AS PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          I LOOKED AT THEM AS THEIR PROVIDERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE GIVING AND ADDING TO THE CONVERSATION. 
          NOT SOMEONE WHO'S GONNA GIVE AN OPINION OF, WELL I LIVE HERE, THIS IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, THIS IS WHAT MY CONCERNS ARE. 
          THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE GIVING, YOU KNOW, I'M PART OF THE DISCUSSION. 
          IT'S A BLURRY LINE. 
          I WOULD SAY IT, IT MIGHT BE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TABLES HERE TO HAVE ALL THOSE PEOPLE SIT AT A TABLE. 
          AND CERTAINLY IF WE HAD ENOUGH TABLES, I THINK I WOULD'VE HAD EACH OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS REPRESENTED AT A TABLE AND THEY, AT THAT POINT, THEY WOULD'VE HAD MORE THAN THREE MINUTES BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE PART OF THE, THE ANSWER. 
          AND SOME OF THEM WOULD BE TALKING FOR WAY MORE THAN THREE MINUTES. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I, I DON'T SEE AS BLURRY IN MY MIND, BUT SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE PART OF THE ANSWER TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST ONE MORE THING. 
          AND FOR ME IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT, UM, THEY SAY THEY'RE THREE MINUTES AND THEY LEAVE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT LISTENING TO US. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT'S NOT THEIR JOB NOT TO LISTEN TO US. 
          BUT IT IS MY JOB TO HAVE TO LISTEN TO THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S THREE HERE. 
          MELISSA, DO YOU AGREE? SO I DO, IF PEOPLE TAKE THE TIME AND EFFORT TO NOT STAY AT HOME AND WATCH THIS, BUT COME HERE AND TRY AND FIND A PARKING SPACE, THEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY, IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T, THEY'RE JUST HERE TO LISTEN OR BE SUPPORTIVE. 
          I THINK THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. 
          SO I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH, YOU KNOW, ALL MEETINGS ALLOWING FOR SOME KIND OF PUBLIC SPEAKING, UM, OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND, AND ALONG THAT LINE, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE RULES LIKE GIVING YOUR TIME TO SOMEONE ELSE? YEAH, THAT CAME UP LAST NIGHT. 
          COULDN'T FIND IT. 
          I WAS LOOKING FOR, I COULDN'T FIND IT. 
          IT SHOULD BE IN RULE THREE Q ABOUT THE PUBLIC INPUT, WHICH, WE'LL, WE'LL GET THERE. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THIS CHANGE NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE. 
          IF COUNCIL IS LOOKING TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT AT BOTH THE REGULAR MEETINGS. 
          UH, SO, AND THERE'S TWO PART, YOU GOT PUBLIC COMMENT ON AN AGENDA ISLAND AND THEN YOU GOT PUBLIC FORUM. 
          UM, AND WHETHER YOU WANT THAT AT BOTH MEETINGS AS WELL, AN OPEN FORUM, UM, WE CAN CHANGE THAT IN IN THREE Q. 
          SO WHY DON'T WE TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC FORUM. 
          WE CAN GET DOWN THERE. 
          UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT IN BETWEEN. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IT'LL, IT STILL REMAINS THE SAME IF ANYONE DOESN'T LIKE THE, UH, PROCEDURAL DECISION. 
          OTHER PROCEDURAL DECISION. 
          IF, IF COUNSEL CODIFIES THIS IN THE RULES, THEN THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC FORUM AND PUBLIC COMMENT AT BOTH THOSE MEETINGS. 
          IF THAT'S, SO WHERE IS THIS? GIMME THE LETTER AND NUMBER Q WE'RE GETTING DOWN. 
          UM, YOU TO PAGE 28. 
          WAS THERE ANYTHING BEFORE WE GET DOWN TO THAT ONE THAT WE WANTED TO JUST SOME, IT WAS JUST ALL REGULAR CLEANUP, I FEEL LIKE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT JUST SAYING THERE'S GONNA BE PUBLIC COMMENT AT ANY WORK SESSION OR, SO THERE'S TWO, YEAH, THERE'S, WHEN YOU, THE PUBLIC FORUM, WE OFTEN, WE OFTEN CONFUSE THE, THE TWO, BUT YOU HAVE BOTH PUBLIC FORUM AND THEN PUBLIC INPUT CONCERNING AGENDA ITEMS. SO ONE'S PUBLIC FORUM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING YOU CAN TALK ON ANYTHING, NOT ON THE AGENDA AND THEN ONE'S PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT YOU CAN COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEMS. SO TO EVERYBODY'S HERE WHO IS LOOKING FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT, I GET IT. 
          I FINE. 
          AS OPPOSED TO TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. 
          I WOULD RATHER KEEP THAT FOR, UH, REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          I FIGURED YOU'D BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          BUT THIS WAY PEOPLE CAN OPINE 
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ON THAT TOPIC. 
          OKAY. 
          I AND I WOULD ACTUALLY SUPPORT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO INSTEAD OF GOING FOR A FOURTH HERE IN THREE Q, THE WAY WE, I HAD IT, IT WAS, IT WAS TO CLARIFY THAT THE PUBLIC FORUM'S GONNA BE AT EACH REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. 
          UM, SO THAT'S COVERED. 
          AND THEN IN THREE, TWO, THE WAY WE'D BEEN DOING IT IS PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE REGULAR COUNCIL. 
          SO WE CAN DELETE THAT DURING THE AGENDA PORTION OF, WE JUST DELETE THE, THE REGULAR IF WE WANNA MAKE IT EXTRA CLEAR WE PUT OF ANY COUNCIL MEETING. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF, GIVE US A NUMBER. 
          SO WE'RE IN THREE Q2 PUBLIC INPUT. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND WE WERE ADDING IN REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. 
          UM, BUT WE CAN MAKE IT THE COUNCIL MEETING. 
          MAYOR. 
          YEAH, WE'LL JUST LEAVE IT OF THE COUNCIL MEETING. 
          OF A COUNCIL OF A COUNCIL MEETING. 
          SO IT'S ANY, OKAY, HOLD ON MELISSA, JUST HOLD ON. 
          ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY, SO I HAVE A CONCERN HERE. 
          AND WE HAVE SPECIALIZED MEETINGS, PRIORITY SETTING MEETINGS AND BUDGET MEETINGS. 
          UM, ARE WE INCLUDING THOSE AS WELL? BECAUSE WE, I WOULD THINK WE ARE GONNA HAVE POTENTIALLY, JUST TO BE HEADS UP, A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING TO SPEAK ABOUT BUDGET MM-HMM . 
          WHICH IS GONNA SPAN A LOT OF DIFFERENT ITEMS. WHICH IF BUDGET ITSELF IS JUST THE AGENDA, IT COULD BE ON THINGS WE HAVEN'T EVEN YET SPOKEN ABOUT AS BUDGET. 
          SO JUST SORT OF LIKE THROWING THAT OUT THERE THAT WE HAVE THESE TWO SORT OF SPECIALIZED MEETINGS AND, AND HOW DO WE REALLY WANNA HANDLE, NOT THAT I'M AGAINST IT. 
          OH, ADAM CLERK. 
          I THINK THERE'S, UH, WE INCLUDE IN THE AGENDA THAT THERE IS TIME, LIKE BEFORE THE BUDGET MEETINGS THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPEN FOR, UH, AN ALLOWED 30 MINUTE TIME FOR TOTAL COMMENTS. 
          SO WE DO INCLUDE THAT. 
          SO IT'S MORE LIKE PUBLIC FORUM? NO, IT'S IT'S STILL CO COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IT'S BEFORE THE SESSION ACTUALLY BEGINS. 
          YES. 
          AND GENERALLY WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE COME. 
          I KNOW , THAT'S WHY I WAS CONFUSED. 
          IT'S ON TOPIC, RIGHT? IT'S ON TOPIC. 
          IT'S ON TOPIC OF THE BUDGET, NOT ON TOPIC OF THE ITEM, YOU KNOW, UH, TRAILS. 
          OKAY. 
          A TRAIL COORDINATOR. 
          OKAY. 
          AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          BUT THEY COULD TALK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE BUDGET AND FOR HALF AN HOUR. 
          AND WHAT ABOUT PRIORITY STUDIES? THREE? YEAH, LET ME CLARIFY. 
          TOTAL SPEAKERS OF A HALF AN HOUR, WHICH MEANS NOT AN INDIVIDUAL, YOU HAVE TO KNOCK 'EM DOWN TO ONE MINUTE A PIECE RIGHT. 
          OR SOMETHING IF, AND THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED. 
          BUT, AND WHAT AND WHAT ABOUT PRIORITY SETTING? IS THAT CONSIDERED THAT WAS A PUBLIC MEETING. 
          THEY ARE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND COUNCIL CAN TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT OR NOT. 
          IT'S UP TO COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
          TO DATE. 
          HAVE WE EVER, IS THAT ALSO WORDED THAT WAY? MADAM CLERK? I DON'T RECALL. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE SO THOUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT ON THE TABLE THAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE THAT IF WE'RE CONSISTENT THAT IN, IN THE PRIORITY SETTING, PUBLIC MEETING, IF WE ALSO ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWING TOPIC OR PUBLIC FORUM SPEAKING AT THE BEGINNING, IT MUCH AS WE DO AS BUDGET, I CAN LOOK UP THE MINUTES WHILE YOU'RE TALKING ON SOMETHING ELSE. 
          I'LL LOOK IT UP. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE. 
          GREAT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          TO HAVE A LIMIT ON THE TOTAL TIME. 
          SURE. 
          OF WHICH THE MAYOR COULD DO AT ANY POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S RIGHT IN THERE FOR THE PUBLIC INPUT FIRST MEETING. 
          I REGRETTED DOING IT EVER SINCE   BECAUSE I ACTUALLY REGRETTED DOING IT THE FIRST TIME. 
          SO, UH, OKAY. 
          , SO THAT'S THREE, TWO. 
          YOU'RE GOOD FOR, FOR THAT? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GOOD WITH THAT. 
          NEXT PAGE, PUBLIC FORUM WILL ONLY BE ON THE, THE REGULAR MEETING PUBLIC COMMENT ON, SO ARE WE ON EACH COUNCIL MEETING? UH, 29. 
          28. 
          29. 
          SO WHERE'S THE, UM, WHERE'S THE ? YEAH. 
          WHERE, WELL, I CAN GIVE MY TIME TO SOMEONE ELSE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, B TWO. 
          SO Q2 B, THE MAYOR MAY GRANT ADDITIONAL TIME. 
          SPEAKER, I SAY, IT SAYS THE MAYORS MAYOR MAY GRANT ADDITIONAL TIME TO SPEAKERS REPRESENTING TWO OR MORE. 
          HOLD ON, JOANNE. 
          AND WE HAD JUST CHANGED THAT TO LAST UPDATE A YEAR AGO OR MORE. 
          I PULLED UP THE AGENDA AND IN THE AGENDA WE ACTUALLY PUT IN BOLD THAT FOR THE COUNCIL RETREAT, LIKE YOU ASKED, THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC FORM OR PUBLIC COMMENT AS THIS IS A CITY COUNCIL RETREAT. 
          WE JUST ADD THAT IN THAT AGENDA. 
          SO THE AGENDA RETREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT'S FINE FOR THE RETREAT, BUT THE BUDGET YEAH. 
          AND THE BUDGET DIFFERENT. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE VOTING THAT'S 30 MINUTES. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          JUST WANNA BE SURE WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          [02:10:02]
SO THEN BACK ON THREE Q2, THE PUBLIC INPUT. 
          DO WE NEED TO SPECIFICALLY EXEMPT RETREAT OR IT WOULD BE ODD TO YEAH. 
          TO JUST CALL THAT ONE OUT. 
          IT WOULD BE ODD TO ELIMINATE ONE. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE MAKE MORE SENSE TO LEAVE IT BACK IN THE MAYOR'S DISCRETION IF YOU'RE GONNA START CALLING OUT JUST ONE OR TREAT IT LIKE THE BUDGET THING. 
          YOU, YOU LUMP IT IN FRONT WITH SOME TIME LIMIT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT DOES GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT. 
          TO COME AND STAND IN FRONT OF US AND SAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE FEEL ARE IMPORTANT. 
          SO THAT BEFORE WE START TO TALK ABOUT IT, WE KIND OF HEARD FROM THE PEOPLE WHO HAD, UM, ENOUGH ENERGY AND INTEREST TO SHOW UP HERE AND LET US KNOW IN PERSON THE THINGS THAT THEY FOUND TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          THANK YOU MELISSA. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S AT MAYOR'S DISCRETION, HE DOES NOT HAVE TO ALLOW THAT. 
          SO AGAIN, FOR AN EXAMPLE FROM LAST NIGHT, THE MAYOR SAID, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO HEAR LET YOU USE THE REST OF YOUR TIME FROM THAT OTHER PERSON WHO HAD ACTUALLY ALREADY SPOKEN. 
          AND SO, RIGHT. 
          UH, BUT IF SOMEONE DIDN'T LIKE THAT, UH, A CALL ALONG THOSE LINES, THEN THEY CAN, UH, OBJECT AND IT CAN GO TO APPEAL THAT RULING TO ALL OF COUNSEL. 
          AND IN THE PAST, WHAT WE'VE NORMALLY DONE OR I'VE DONE WAS SOMEBODY WILL SAY, OH, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK WITH THE THREE PEOPLE. 
          IT WOULD BE DONE AHEAD OF TIME. 
          IT WAS VERY CLEAR NOT, WELL, I, I, I DON'T HAVE AS MUCH TO SPEAK ABOUT NOW. 
          I'M GONNA SEED MY TIME ANOTHER MINUTE AND A HALF TO SOMEBODY BY THE TIME WE SET THE CLOCK AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          IT'S MORE OF A, IT, I THINK IT'S MORE OF AN, I GUESS, I GUESS WHAT I WAS, WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK WAS WHETHER OR NOT THAT DECISION SHOULD BE CLEAR, LIKE AT THE BEGINNING OF PEOPLE SPEAKING TO JUST SAY, I'M NOT SEATING THE TIME TO OTHERS. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT HAS HAPPENED BECAUSE PEOPLE DO IT ALL THE TIME. 
          AND SO WE'RE NOT CONSISTENT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE SAY, YES, YOU CAN HAVE SOMEONE SPEAK FOR SIX MINUTES VERSUS, YOU KNOW MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE THEN THEY, THEN THEY CAN JUST FILL OUT 20 CARDS AND SAY I'M SEATING ALL MY TIME TO, THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT. 
          WELL, ME TOO. 
          FOR ME, LAST NIGHT, THE DIFFERENCE WAS THAT THE, THE PERSON WANTED TO SEED TIME TO SOMEBODY WHO HAD ALREADY SPOKEN. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, BUT IF THEY HAD WANTED TO SEED THEIR TIME TO SOMEBODY WHO WAS NOT ALSO GONNA SPEAK, THEY HAD THE REMAINDER OF THEIR TIME, WE HAD LIMITED THE TIME. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THAT I WOULD BE MORE LENIENT FOR THAT. 
          BUT AGAIN, NOT, NOT UNDER THE SCENARIO OF LAST NIGHT BECAUSE THE PERSON ALREADY SPOKE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I, UM, PRETTY LENIENT WHEN IT COMES TO, IN THE BEGINNING IN ADVANCE, SOMEONE WILL SAY, WELL, WE'VE GOT THREE PEOPLE HERE. 
          WE'RE GONNA GIVE NINE MINUTES TO THIS PERSON. 
          BUT THESE ARE THE CARDS FOR THAT NINE MINUTES. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT HAS TO BE A CARD. 
          I AGREE. 
          I THINK I HANDLED IT JUST FINE. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          PLANNING AND ZONING APPEALS. 
          YEP. 
          JUST CAPITALIZING AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION INSTEAD OF JUST LABELING IT AND PLANNING AND ZONING ISSUE. 
          UM, CLARIFYING THAT QUASI-JUDICIAL CAPACITY. 
          THE ONLY TIME THE CITY COUNCIL ACTS ON THAT IS WHEN IT'S HEARING, WHEN IT'S ACTING AS THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UH, WHICH IS WHEN YOU'LL HEAR AN, AN APPEAL FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HEARING OFFICER, UM, AND COMING DOWN TO AGENDAS. 
          WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RED LINE AND THE BLUE LINE? OH, THEY WOULD JUST CHANGE AT DIFFERENT TIMES. 
          OKAY. 
          LIKE, IT GOT SAVED AND THEN LATER ANOTHER CHANGE CAME BACK. 
          SO, UM, R UM, THIS IS A, A NEW ONE I EMAILED COUNSEL ABOUT THAT WAS NOT IN THE PACKET. 
          SO RULE THREE R ONE. 
          I'M SORRY, BEFORE YOU GO ON, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT FOR A SECOND? TO THE PLAYING ZONING APPEAL? YES. 
          UM, FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, APPEALING AND DEFENDING PARTIES WILL EACH HAVE FIVE MINUTES PER ONE PARTY OR PER THREE MEMBERS IN A PARTY. 
          . 
          UM, 'CAUSE WE'VE HAD THAT WHERE, SO IT'S EACH PARTY, IT'S EACH PARTY GETS TO, BUT, AND FOUR, THE REASON LETTER, IF YOU'RE THINKING OF THE MOST RECENT APPEAL, THERE WERE ACTUALLY TWO APPEALS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THERE WAS TWO PARTIES APPEALING ONE PARTY DEFENDING. 
          SO YOU ENDED UP WITH 15 MINUTES OF REBUTTAL TIME. 
          ONE FOR THE DEFENDERS AND TWO FOR THE, UH, TWO DIFFERENT APPEALING PARTIES. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IF THERE ARE TWO PARTIES ON THE SAME SUIT OR CLAIM, SO WE DON'T, YEAH, WE DON'T DISTINGUISH IF THEY EACH FILL OUT AN, AN APPEAL AND THEY EACH PAY THE PRICE, UH, THE $750, WHATEVER, IT'S TO APPEAL. 
          UM, THEN THEY EACH GET THEIR, THEIR TIME, THE 20 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR POSITION, AND THEN THE FIVE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL. 
          SO THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN TREATED ANYWAYS. 
          UH, IT'S EVEN IN THE MOST RECENT SCENARIO, THE APPEALING PARTIES HAD SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT REASONS, OR ACTUALLY SOMETHING QUITE DIFFERENT REASONS AS TO WHY THEY WERE APPEALING. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          R YOU SAID 
          [02:15:01]
IS NEW DETERMIN. 
          SO DETERMINATION, SO R WAS NOT IN THE PACKET. 
          IT'S A LATE EDITION. 
          AND, AND RULE R ONE FRR ONE F, THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS. 
          UH, CURRENTLY COUNCIL HAS ESTABLISHED AN AGENDA TEAM COMPRISED OF, AND IT DICTATES WHO'S ON THE TEAM AND HOW OFTEN THEY, THEY MEET, UM, AND WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. 
          UM, I PROPOSE THAT WE REMOVE THAT FROM THIS, FROM CITY COUNCIL PURVIEW AND LEAVE THAT UP TO THE CITY MANAGER OR CITY CLERK TO, UH, TO PRIORITIZE AND, UH, THE, THE AGENDAS. 
          I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS 'CAUSE THE, ANOTHER OPTION HERE WOULD BE TO MAKE THAT AGENDA TEAM MEETING PUBLIC, A PUBLIC MEETING MM-HMM . 
          CORRECT. 
          AND WHAT I THINK ABOUT THAT IS THAT CITY STAFF AND THE CITY MANAGER COME TO THE DECISIONS ABOUT, ARE WE READY FOR A COUNCIL ITEM? YOU KNOW, IS THE STAFF READY? IS IT ALL DONE? UM, I THINK BY ELIMINATING THE MAYOR, VICE MAYOR'S PRESENCE, YOU POTENTIALLY ELIMINATE SOME OF THE POLITICAL FEEDBACK ABOUT AS THE AGENDA READY. 
          I DON'T THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATING THE MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR IN THE NOT. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS CALL THE MEETING, THE MANAGER'S MEETING. 
          IT'S THE MANAGER'S MEETING, BUT THE MANAGER CAN INVITE WHOEVER THE, OR THE CITY CLERK'S MEETING, WHOEVER, YOU KNOW, DECIDES THEY WANT TO TAKE ON THIS, UH, THIS ROLE. 
          THEY CAN INVITE WHOEVER THEY WANT TO. 
          SO THEY COULD STILL INVITE THE, AND AND IN SOME CITIES IT'S JUST THE CITY MANAGER AND THE MAYOR SIT DOWN AND, AND, AND DO THAT. 
          THEY DON'T INVITE, YOU KNOW, THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY CLERK AND THE CITY ATTORNEY. 
          UM, AND SO IT WOULD REALLY BE LEFT UP TO THE CITY MANAGER WHO THEY WANTED TO. 
          SO IT COULD BE THE MANAGER, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR. 
          YOU COULD STILL DO A ROTATING COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          UM, IT COULD JUST BE STAFF, UH, BUT IT WOULD BE, YOU'D BE RELINQUISHING CONTROL OF THIS AND LETTING THE CITY MANAGER, UM, MAKE THE DETERMINATION HOW SHE WOULD WANT TO RUN THAT MEETING. 
          I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT IT JUST BECOME A PUBLIC MEETING. 
          IT'S A NINE O'CLOCK MONDAY MEETING THAT'S ON BROADCAST AND WE WATCH IT PLAY OUT LIKE ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEETING. 
          THIS IS, YEAH. 
          SO WE DON'T REALLY HOLD IN HERE, SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BROADCAST IT. 
          BUT THE, IT COULD BE, UM, WE, WE MEET ON TEAMS, UM, IF IT WOULD CONTINUE IN THAT SAME FORMAT. 
          AND SO IF COUNCIL WANTED TO KEEP IT, THEN THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO, UH, PUBLISH THE TEAMS LINK, UH, SO THAT ANYONE COULD JOIN IN ON THE TEAMS AS A VIEW ONLY PARTICIPANT AND THEY COULD WATCH THAT, WATCH THE AGENDA TEAM MEETING ON 9:00 AM ON MONDAY. 
          I PREFER THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          LIKE THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO SIT IN AT THE MOMENT, YOU KNOW, UNLESS IT'S, THERE'S THIS SORT OF, YEAH. 
          I MEAN, WE WOULD SCHEDULE THAT. 
          I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND OF WHEN A VARIOUS COUNCIL MEMBER CAN GO OR CAN'T GO SO THAT WE DON'T IT'S A ROTATING. 
          IT'S ROTATING. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I THINK THAT I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO TO WHICHEVER MEETING OR NOT GO. 
          UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THE WHY. 
          I DON'T SEE HOW THIS BOGS THINGS DOWN. 
          IF IT WAS JUST NOTICE THE WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE NOTICED IN A VERY, UM, PERFUNCTORY WAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT IT WAS OPEN AND WHY CAN'T THE PUBLIC WATCH IT? NO PUBLIC INPUT FOR THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S A WORKING MEETING JUST TO GET TO THAT. 
          BUT WHY NOT MAKE THAT NOTICE SO THAT SOMEBODY WAS IN INTEREST CAN OBSERVE, OBSERVE. 
          AGAIN, KEY WORD IS OBSERVE, RIGHT? HOLD ON, BRIAN, THE QUESTION TO ANNETTE, ISN'T THERE DISCUSSION OF THE CURRENT STATE OF WORK PRODUCT AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT WHILE ALL I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WHY THAT NEEDS TO, IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S SHOULD BE SECRETIVE ABOUT THAT PER SE, BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, LIKE IF DISCUSSING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT COMPLETE OR IT'S NOT READY AND WHATEVER, LIKE JUST THE DISCUSSION OF THAT COULD LEAD TO MISUNDERSTANDINGS, UH, INCORRECT ASSUMPTIONS, UH, FOR ANYBODY WHO DECIDES TO DIAL IN AND, AND LISTEN. 
          AND I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT GO WITH THAT. 
          UM, AND FOR, SO FOR THAT REASON, IT WOULD ALMOST SEEM LIKE, WELL THEN WHY NOT JUST HAVE CITY MANAGER AND MAYOR OR CITY MANAGER AND CITY CLERK, WHATEVER, UH, BUT NOT GO TO THE TROUBLE OF DOING THAT ON A, UH, LIVE TEAMS. I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, I JUST, I GUESS IT JUST DEPENDS HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO BE TALKING ABOUT 
          [02:20:01]
WORK PRODUCT THAT'S IN PROCESS, RIGHT? AGAIN, NOT SEEKING TO BE SECRETIVE OR LACK TRANSPARENCY. 
          I MEAN, TODAY YOU ALL IN ON STAFF CAN WORK AND YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY LOOKING OVER YOUR SHOULDER, UM, AT EVERY MOMENT. 
          SO I, I DON'T HAVE A HARD AND FAST FEELING ABOUT THIS, BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT OCCURRED TO ME AS THIS TOPIC WAS DISCUSSED. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING AS WELL. 
          BUT ALSO, THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES DURING THOSE MEETINGS WE'LL GET LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT THEN NOW WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE LIKE WE HAVE TO DO IN A REGULAR MEETING. 
          OH, WE'RE GONNA GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          OH, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING? IT RIGHT NOW? THEY, IT SEEMS TO WORK, BUT I LIKE KURT'S IDEA ABOUT THIS CHANGE BEING UNDER THE CITY MANAGER. 
          IT MAKES MY JOB EASIER. 
          UH, BUT FOR EXACTLY THE REASON WHY, WHAT BRIAN JUST BROUGHT UP, THERE'S A LOT OF TOPICS THAT COME UP, PROJECTS THAT COME UP. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MAYBE SIX MONTHS OUT AND IF SOMEBODY WERE TO SIT IN ON THAT MEETING AND SAY, WELL, I JUST HEARD THEM TALKING ABOUT WHY ISN'T IT STARTED YET? WHY ISN'T IT MOVING FORWARD? THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS TO SIFT THROUGH AND DECIDE WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA AND, UH, WHAT'S PUT OFF FOR MAYBE, UH, TWO WEEKS OR A MONTH. 
          AND USUALLY IT'S, ANNETTE WILL HAVE SOME INPUT ON THAT. 
          'CAUSE SHE KNOWS WHAT THE STAFF RESOURCES ARE. 
          KURT WILL OR PINE, I MEAN, WE'VE ALL BEEN, I THINK KATHY'S THE ONLY ONE THAT HASN'T, 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN IN THE MORNINGS, BUT THEY, EVERYBODY'S AT BEEN IN ATTENDANCE. 
          THEY SEE IT FLOWS AND WE'RE DONE USUALLY WITHIN 30 TO UH, AN HOUR. 
          30 MINUTES TO AN HOUR. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE WAY IT'S WORKING NOW. 
          IT'S AGAIN, WELL, BUT, BUT AGAIN, WHAT BRIAN JUST SAID REALLY IS MORE OF A CONCERN. 
          IS ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC REALLY ITCHING TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE? HAS ANYONE SAID, WHY DON'T YOU LET THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATE IN THIS? NO, NOT, NOT THAT I'VE HEARD. 
          I I THINK WE HAVE TO ADMIT THAT THERE'S A GENERAL SENSE THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T ALWAYS OPERATE OUT IN THE OPEN AND THERE'S SECRET STUFF GOING ON. 
          THIS HAS BEEN A CONVERSATION THAT'S BEEN HAD IN THE PAST IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS WHY I BELIEVE THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS SHOULD BE CONDUCTED IN THE PUBLIC. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS IN A WAY. 
          IT'S, IT'S LIKE IT'S A STAFF MEETING, RIGHT? IS WHAT IT IS. 
          'CAUSE NO DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE ABOUT THE END PROJECT TOLD IT'S A STAFF MEETING, THEN IT DOESN'T NEED COUNCIL ON IT AT ALL. 
          WELL, OKAY, WELL MAYBE IT SHOULD BE UP TO THE CITY MANAGER, I THINK, TO DECIDE WHO SHOULD PARTICIPATE. 
          THE, IT CHANGES ALL THE TIME. 
          IF PEOPLE HEARD SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA IN TWO WEEKS, HALF THE TIME IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. 
          IN TWO, TWO WEEKS IT GETS PULLED BECAUSE IT'S NOT READY. 
          AND THEN, SO THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR MISUNDERSTANDINGS AND, AND, AND COMPLICATIONS. 
          AND THEN WE DO TALK ABOUT PERSONNEL ISSUES. 
          AND SOMETIMES THAT COMES UP. 
          SOMETIMES THERE'S LEGAL ISSUES THAT COME UP. 
          SO THEN, THEN, BUT THERE SHOULDN'T BE DISCUSSED IN THAT SETTING. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH AN AGENDA ITEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, ALRIGHT. 
          YOU'VE, WE'VE ALL HAD OUR OPINIONS. 
          DO WE HAVE, I THINK I HAVE, UM, UH, TRUE WHERE MELISSA HAS, I DON'T THINK SHE'S OPINED ON THAT AT ALL. 
          DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW I THINK, UH, I THINK IT BELONGS IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE UNDERNEATH THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY MANAGER. 
          AND THE CITY MANAGER MAY INVITE WHOMEVER HE OR SHE CHOOSES TO INVITE TO THAT MEETING. 
          AND IT IS, IN MY MIND, MORE OF A STAFF MEETING AND A PREP MEETING THAN IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM DEREK. 
          I, I AGREE. 
          I WOULD, THE ONLY THING I WAS GONNA ADD IS ASKING JOANNE WHAT'S THE ADDITIONAL BURDEN TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE OF DOING ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM AND YEAH, CREATING ANOTHER AGENDA. 
          IT'S A SHORTER AGENDA, BUT CREATING ANOTHER AGENDA WOULD BE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL TO DO EVERY TWO WEEKS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL MOVE ON. 
          I THINK, KURT, DO YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTION? SO YEAH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S FOUR FOUR REMO. 
          UH, YEAH, FIVE FOR, UH, REMOVING IT AS PROPOSED UP HERE ON THE SCREEN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          CONTINUING ON. 
          ALRIGHT, SCROLLING DOWN. 
          YOU'RE STILL IN R RIGHT? WELL WE JUST WENT OUT OF, WELL, WE'RE ENDING R IS THE LAST ONE IN IN, UH, RULE THREE IF, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA? WELL, I, AGAIN POINTING OUT THAT TO ME, AND YOU'VE EXPLAINED THIS BEFORE AND I'M SORRY IF I NEED A REFRESHER, BUT A AND G TO ME SEEM TO CONFLICT. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THEY DO SOMEWHAT. 
          SO, UH, COUNSELOR OR RULE A IS THE EVERYONE'S FAVORITE RULE. 
          UM, WHERE, UH, IF THE CITY MANAGER DETERMINES IT'S GONNA TAKE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          IF TWO COUNSELORS REQUEST SOMETHING, 
          [02:25:01]
UM, THEN IT GETS PUT ON FOR A 15 MINUTE. 
          BUT IF YOU GET FOUR OR MORE, THEN IT'LL BE SCHEDULED FOR A GENERAL REGULAR MEETING. 
          AND THEN STAFF WILL DO ALL THE, ALL THE WORK TIME IS NEEDED TO DO TO GET THAT SCHEDULED. 
          UH, SO G STATES OR THE FORMER G SO IT COULD JUST STATE AN AGENDA ITEM SUBMITTED BY COUNSELORS PER RULE A SHALL BE PLACED ON A RIGHT. 
          THE, THE GOAL IS TO GET IT ON THAT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT GOALS. 
          THE GOAL OF THAT ONE IS TO GET IT ON WITHIN TWO MEETINGS, BUT SOMETIMES THE AGENDA TEAM JUST CAN'T FIT IT IN. 
          SO IT JUST, THEY DO THE LANGUAGE DOES CONFLICT THOUGH. 
          SO RIGHT. 
          YOU THE ADDING THE CLAUSE THAT YOU JUST SAID WOULD PER RULE A, SO I THINK YOU WOULD JUST LEAVE THE TWO OUT. 
          THAT'S FINE TOO. 
          AGENDA I'M SUBMITTED BY COUNSELOR SHALL BE PLACED ON A REGULARLY SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING. 
          I HAVE TO SAY I HATE THIS RULE. 
          . 
          I HATE THE I. 
          WELL, A, YOU HATE A YEAH, I DO. 
          I DO TOO. 
          I CAN'T STAND A SO IT USED TO JUST BE AND BECAUSE IT'S INCONSISTENT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S SOMEWHAT ARBITRARY. 
          PLUS IT WAS DONE BECAUSE OF CERTAIN COUNCIL PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT, THEY WERE NO LONGER ON COUNCIL WHO USED TO ASK FOR A HUGE AMOUNT OF STAFF. 
          SO ON THE SAME TOPIC OVER AND OVER AND AND OVER, OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO KAREN WAS DRIVING HER CRAZY. 
          SO WHAT WAS ADDED WAS ALL OF THIS, AND I JUST HIGHLIGHTED UP HERE, IT USED TO JUST BE TWO COUNSELORS COULD PUT IT MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THERE MAY BE SOME WISDOM IN LEAVING IT IN HERE. 
          SO CURRENTLY THERE'S, IT SEEMS LIKE ANYTIME A COUNSELOR RAISES AN AN ISSUE, THERE TENDS TO BE FOUR MORE COUNSELORS INTERESTED IN THAT SAME ISSUE. 
          AND SO IT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR THE CURRENT COUNCIL. 
          UM, IN THE FUTURE. 
          IT OBVIOUSLY THAT COULD CHANGE. 
          UM, I THINK IT HAPPENED WITH TWO COUNSELORS IN THE PAST. 
          YES. 
          WITH TWO COUNSELORS. 
          DO YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF STUFF. 
          OH, KERVIN AGAIN, PLEASE DON'T TURN ON A MICROPHONE. 
          PLEASE DON'T USE NAMES. 
          SO I THINK THAT THE ISSUE HERE ISN'T ABOUT THE NUMBER OF COUNSELORS WHO ARE INTERESTED. 
          IT'S ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME THAT'S REQUIRED IN ORDER TO RESEARCH WHETHER OR NOT THE AGENDA ITEM. 
          AND SO IF THE CITY MANAGER DETERMINES THAT IT'S GONNA REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME, THEN THERE HAS TO BE A MAJORITY OF COUNSELORS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THAT ITEM. 
          THAT'S THE WAY I READ THIS. 
          AND THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TWO COUNSELORS DECIDE THAT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW X AND IT'S GONNA TAKE, YOU KNOW, FOUR STAFF MEMBERS TWO WEEKS TO DO IT. 
          SO I THINK THAT THIS ROLE MAKES SENSE AND WE SHOULD JUST LEAVE IT AS IT IS, EVEN IF IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE AT THE TIME IN WHICH WE BRING UP THE AGENDA ITEMS. SO WHAT WORK IS G DOING? G IS, IS, WELL THAT'S THE PROBLEM. 
          YEAH. 
          G'S IS TRYING, IS ESTABLISHING THAT COUNCIL GENERALLY EXPECTS IT TO BE WITHIN THE NEXT TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS ONCE IT'S REQUESTED, UM, SUBJECT TO BEING POSTPONED BECAUSE OF PRIORITIES DETERMINED BY THE AGENDA TEAM. 
          BUT COULD THAT BE JUST COMBINED IS PART OF THE LAST BIT OF A YEAH, I MEAN, IT, IT CAN GO THERE INSTEAD OF HAVING IT, IT'S OF THIS AND THEY'RE SORT OF FAR APART FROM EACH OTHER. 
          WE COULD MOVE IT UP TO B MIGHT BE MAKE MORE SENSE. 
          YOU COULD DO THAT TOO, KURT, IF THAT MAKES YOU HAPPY. 
          YEAH, I FEEL LIKE THEY ARE, THEY ARE SPEAKING TO TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          ONE'S GETTING IT ON THE AGENDA AND ONE'S THE TIMING OF THE AGENDA ITEM REQUEST. 
          WHAT'S THE WORD TWO IN THERE THAT THAT SEEMS TO CONTRADICT? YEAH, IT'S ALSO THIS IDEA OF THIS 20 MINUTE, I MEAN IT TWO MINUTES, RIGHT. 
          HAVING, OKAY. 
          MOST OF THE COUNSELORS UP HERE HAVE NOT LIVED THROUGH IT. 
          RIGHT? THREE OF US HAVE LIVED THROUGH IT AND THE, THE 20 MINUTE PRESENTATION TO TRY AND CONVINCE TO SHOULD BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA. 
          AND MEANWHILE THE WHOLE THING COULD HAVE BEEN RESOLVED IN 10 MINUTES. 
          WE WENT THROUGH, WE LITERALLY WENT THROUGH THAT. 
          WE WENT THROUGH THAT. 
          IT WAS SO CONVOLUTED AND INEFFICIENT. 
          WASTEFUL AND FRUSTRATING. 
          SO, CAN I ASK, I HAVE A SUGGESTION. 
          KURT, CAN YOU LOOK THIS OVER AND TRY STREAMLINE IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THESE? I'VE I'VE LOOKED THAT OVER. 
          YEAH. 
          LET'S HEAR COUNCILOR F'S SUGGESTION. 
          MAYBE SOME NEW EYES ON THIS. 
          AN AGENDA ITEM. 
           AN AGENDA ITEM. 
          AN ITEM AGENDAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THESE RULES SHALL BE PLACED ON A REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING AGENDA WITH ATTEND TWO MEETINGS OF THE SUBMITTED REQUEST. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU COULD DO THAT BECAUSE SOME ITEMS MAY TAKE ACCORDING TO, YOU KNOW, STAFF, BUT WE KEEP THE LANGUAGE SUBJECT TO POSTPONEMENT FOR PRIORITIES AND WELL PRIOR OR, UH, STAFF AVAILABILITY FOR RESEARCH OR HOWEVER, BECAUSE THAT WAS ALWAYS THE PROBLEM WHERE IT 
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WAS ASKED THIS UPSTAIRS. 
          I'M TRYING TO JUST MAKE THIS JUST A TIMING, STRICTLY A TIMING THING. 
          I GET IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU DID A GOOD JOB FOR A ROOKIE COUNCIL PERSON. 
          , BUT, BUT, UH, COUNCILOR CONSELLA IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          UH, WE'VE, WE, THREE OF US HERE HAVE GONE THROUGH IT AND IT'S, IT'S JUST A WASTE OF TIME. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND IT COULD BE STREAMLINED IN OTHER WAYS. 
          I'M, I'M JUST HOPING. 
          BUT TO, YOU KNOW, RESOLVE COUNCILOR DUNN'S CONCERN, THEN YOU'D HAVE TO JUST SKIP THE TWO COUNSELORS CAN PUT IT ON AN AGENDA AND YOU JUST NEED TO GET FOUR. 
          'CAUSE THEN THE TWO COUNSELORS COULD, COULD, COULD REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED HOURS OF STAFF TIME PREPARING SOMETHING THAT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T SUPPORT. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM FOR THE CURRENT COUNCIL, BUT RIGHT. 
          BUT I FOUR I WOULD OBJECT TO THREE. 
          I COULD GO FOR IF, IF YOU WANNA RAISE THE THRESHOLD TO THREE, THAT'S FINE. 
          BECAUSE THE REASON THAT I DON'T BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE FOUR IS BECAUSE THAT IS ALREADY A MAJORITY AND YOU WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO HAVE A MINORITY POSITION BROUGHT FORWARD FOR VETTING. 
          SO I MEAN, I IT'S JUST NOT SMALL D DEMOCRATIC TO NOT EVER BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO SHUT DOWN THE MINORITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          WITHOUT, SO, SO I MEAN, BUT I DON'T MIND RAISING THE WHOLE THRESHOLD OF THREE AND WE GOTTA GET A THIRD PERSON TO GET ON THE QUESTION. 
          SO I, THE AGENDA, I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION, KURT. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE QUICK IF WE DID THAT. 
          SO A COUNSELOR AT THE END OF THE COUNCIL MEETING PROPOSES A NEW ITEM. 
          WE JUST NEED TWO MORE TO NOD THEIR HEADS OR SAY, YES, I'LL SUPPORT THAT AND THEN IT I'LL DO, IT'S MOVES FORWARD. 
          BUT I CAN SPEAK TO TWO OTHER COUNSELORS ABOUT ANY TOPIC. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          SO YOU ALREADY, I CAN MAKE A YES. 
          YOU CAN ALREADY MAKE A PITCH TO TWO OTHER COUNSELORS. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO I'VE ALREADY GOT MY QUORUM. 
          IT'S NOT A QUORUM, BUT IT'S FOR THIS PURPOSE. 
          YOU CAN GET YOUR, YOUR SUPPORT MY DUCKS IN A ROW. 
          YES. 
          SO AS LONG AS WE'RE ALL HAPPY ABOUT THE FACT THAT THREE PEOPLE CAN HAVE ALREADY DECIDED THAT THEY'LL SUPPORT EACH OTHER AND NOBODY ELSE, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ANYONE ELSE SAYS THEY, THEY'RE GONNA GET IT ON THE AGENDA. 
          THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THREE PEOPLE AND FOUR PEOPLE. 
          'CAUSE WITH FOUR PEOPLE, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE ONE PERSON WHO HAS NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN A PREVIOUS CONVERSATION WHO'S GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE ULTIMATELY THE DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM. 
          BUT CURRENTLY IT ONLY TAKES TWO TO GET IT ONTO THE AGENDA. 
          RIGHT. 
          AT LEAST LEAST FOR THE INTRODUCTORY ITEM IF THE CITY MANAGER, AND THAT'S PART OF IT TOO. 
          THE CITY MANAGERS DON'T ALWAYS SPEAK UP AND SAY THAT'S GONNA TAKE TOO LONG. 
          UM, KAREN DID. 
          OH YEAH. 
          TO IN CERTAIN SCENARIOS. 
          YES. 
          SO 'CAUSE THEY IRRITATED HER TO NO END. 
          SO I MEAN LIKE THAT COULD ALL BE, UH, WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED. 
          COULD ALL BE DELETED. 
          YOU COULD CHANGE IT TO JUST, WE DON'T KNOW, TO THREE COUNSELORS. 
          WE CAN ALWAYS TRY IT. 
          ONE, WE CAN ALWAYS JUST DELETE AND GO BACK TO TWO AND SEE HOW IT GOES FOR A LITTLE WHILE. 
          UM, CAN I ASK, BECAUSE BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING DELETING, SO I'D LIKE TO DEFER TO ANNETTE BECAUSE OF HAVING THE CONVERSATION WITH KAREN AND UNDERSTANDING THE REASONS. 
          I, I REALLY WANT THE CITY MANAGER'S INPUT ON THIS TO BE SURE THAT SHE ALSO AGREES WITH THIS. 
          IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, SHE'LL UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS FOR STAFF TIME, BUT SHE'S MUCH, SHE HAS A MUCH HIGHER THRESHOLD OF GOING CRAZY. 
          I WAS TRYING TO READ HER BODY LANGUAGE ON THIS AND I'VE DECIDED I NEVER WANNA PLAY POKER WITH YOU. 
          NO . 
          EXACTLY. 
          BECAUSE SHE'S TOO CALM. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT SHE'S NOT HERE FOR NINE YEARS. 
          SO  UH, OKAY. 
          WELL THANK YOU MAYOR FOR, UM, ASKING ME TO INPUT ON THIS. 
          UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'LL SAY IT HASN'T BEEN A PROBLEM FOR ME SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT AN ISSUE WITH THIS CURRENT COUNCIL. 
          UM, I GUESS IF, UM, IF TWO PEOPLE CAME TO ME AND WANTED ME TO DO SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT ON, FOR EXAMPLE, THE COUNCIL PRIORITY LIST OR IDENTIFY PROJECT OR SEEMED TO BE, YOU KNOW, UM, LIKE A DIFFICULT THING TO DIVERT STAFF OF, OF OTHER PRIORITIES, I WOULD WANT SOME MECHANISM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND SEE IF WE REALLY WANTED TO DO THAT. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW, IF YOU ALL FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE I WOULD HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IS THROUGH THIS LITTLE ROLE. 
          I MEAN, IF IT'S SOMETHING WHERE I COULD JUST CONFER WITH THE MAYOR OR SOMEBODY, UM, LIKE I SAID, IT HASN'T BEEN A PROBLEM. 
          BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF THIS RULE. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT INDIVIDUAL COUNSELORS DIRECTING STAFF OFF ON NO, IT WASN'T, IT WOULDN'T BE DIRECTING STAFF. 
          IT WOULD BE DIRECTING YOU MM-HMM . 
          TO DIRECT STAFF. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT PROTOCOL'S BEEN SET IN STONE. 
          SO, UM, I DO UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS WRITTEN THE WAY IT WAS, THAT IT WAS A MAJORITY. 
          'CAUSE THAT MEANS THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL'S INTERESTED IN THE TOPIC OR WHATEVER. 
          UM, SO, BUT I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH WHAT HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO IT THAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE'RE 
          [02:35:01]
HERE TO WORK FOR YOU AND YOU'RE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE TO BRING THE ISSUES FORWARD THAT NEED TO BE TALKED ABOUT. 
          UM, AND THEN IF IT BECOMES A PROBLEM, WE COULD REVISIT IT. 
          UM, I, I GUESS SINCE IT HASN'T BEEN A PROBLEM, I WOULDN'T THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE IT. 
          BUT, BUT IT, LIKE KURT SAID SEVERAL TIMES, THIS COUNCIL OF WORK SEEMS TO WORK HARMONIOUS HARMONIOUSLY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WHERE IT'S, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH WHERE IT DIDN'T WORK MM-HMM . 
          AND IT FRUSTRATED THE CITY MANAGER AND WE DON'T WANNA SEE YOU GET FRUSTRATED. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, IF IF WE WERE TO REQUIRE, I WOULDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE A PROBLEM REQUIRING FOUR COUNSELORS OR THREE COUNSELORS, UH, IF THE CITY MANAGER PUSHED BACK, RIGHT. 
          IT'S THIS INCH 20 MINUTE PRESENTATION AND THAT WHOLE THING. 
          WELL, SO WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT? AND IT, BUT, AND I GET IT, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT 20 MINUTES COULD BE JUST SO IS THE PURPOSE OF THAT JUST TO GIVE A PREVIEW OF THE ISSUE TO GET MORE SUPPORT TO YEAH. 
          TO GET MORE SUPPORT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THAT'S BECOME, THAT'S BECOME THE OBSTACLE BECAUSE IT'S ALSO BECOME A DISCOURAGEMENT YEAH. 
          FROM PROCEEDING WITH, I MEAN, YOU AND I HAVE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PROCEEDING WITH SOMETHING AND NOT TRYING TO GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE RIGAMAROLE. 
          UM, SO I MEAN, I, I AM, I'M, AGAIN, I'M THINKING, BUT AGAIN, THE, THE THREE IS NOT A MAJORITY, UH, OF THE COUNCIL. 
          IT'S THREE ARE ALLOWED TO DISCUSS A TOPIC UNDER THE OTHER RULES. 
          THREE, IF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, A MINORITY POSITION DESERVES TO BE HEARD, IN MY OPINION. 
          UM, SO IF YOU CAN GET THREE COUNSELORS OVER ONLY A SEVEN MEMBER BODY TO SAY WE THINK IT'S WORTHY OF A DISCUSSION. 
          I, I I, I JUST, I'M, I'M STANDING BY MY SUGGESTION THAT WE JUST FLIP THIS TO THREE TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA AND THINK MAY BUT UP. 
          HOLD ON ONE MORE TIME. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA ADD A COMMENT THAT SINCE WE CHANGED, UM, YOUR MEETING AGENDA AND ADDED UPCOMING MEETING SCHEDULE TO YOUR AGENDA, WE'RE INCLUDING THE FUTURE CALENDAR ON THERE. 
          I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE THAT DIALOGUE AT THE END OF EVERY MEETING, UM, AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVEN'T REQUIRED FOUR PEOPLE DURING THOSE DISCUSSIONS TO ADD AND, OR HAVE WE, I GUESS I'VE JUST, SO WE, WE'VE BEEN WATCHING FOR FOUR GENERALLY, BUT WE'RE REALLY IN KIND OF WATCHING FOR, FROM THE CITY MANAGERS. 
          'CAUSE THE CITY MANAGER GETS TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT REQUIRES TWO OR FOUR OR IT'S GONNA BE THE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S TOO MUCH WORK AND WHETHER THEY SUPPORT IT OR NOT. 
          SO I, SO IN A WAY WE'VE REALLY BEEN DOING FOUR ANYWAY, LOOKING FOR FOUR NODS. 
          AND SO IF YOU BUMPED IT DOWN TO THREE AND CUT OUT THAT WHOLE SECOND PART OF THIS, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THE DIALOGUE, YOU IN A VERY SIMILAR POSITION AND THE COUNCIL MEETING ALREADY WITHOUT THE CONFUSION. 
          RIGHT? WELL ACTUALLY WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DOING, I'M SORRY. 
          NO, WE'RE NOT DOING THE DIALOGUE. 
          WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO BY THIS RULE . 
          SEE, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO WAIT FOR FOUR NODS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT'S ONLY WE WE ARE NO, NO, RIGHT THERE IT SAYS AN ITEM SUPPORTED BY AT LEAST FOUR COUNSELORS SHALL BE PLACED ON THE FUTURE AGENDA WITHOUT THE NEED FOR AN INTRODUCTORY ITEM DISCUSSION. 
          YES. 
          BUT IT'S ONLY, IT WAS ONLY FOR SUBSTANTIAL RESEARCH. 
          YES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT WE USE IT ALL TIME WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL RESEARCH. 
          WE REQUIRE FOUR PEOPLE EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO RESEARCH, POTENTIALLY NO STAFF TIME OR 10 MINUTES. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING THIS RULE. 
          WELL IT'S BEEN, WE, WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING IT. 
          'CAUSE FOUR CUTS OUT THAT WHOLE SECOND PART. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO MOVE TO THE SECOND PART. 
          'CAUSE IF YOU GET FOUR, THEN YOU'RE DONE. 
          AND SO IF IT WAS THREE, WHAT'S THE EXPECTATION THEN YOU'D HAVE TO DO THIS 20. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          OH, I THINK YOU, WHAT'S THE EXPECTATION? IT'S ON THE AGENDA. 
          ARE YOU EXPECTING A STAFF REPORT NOW? YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THREE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, WE NORMALLY EXPECT STAFF TO GIVE US SOME, START AN ITEM AND TALK ABOUT IT. 
          SO ARE YOU EXPECTING, I DIDN'T SUGGEST THREE. 
          I JUST FOR THE PERSON TO PUT THREE, ANYTHING OTHER THAN A CHANGE TO OUR RULES. 
          THE CURRENT SET OF RULES, THE CURRENT SET OF RULES ARE DONE SUCH THAT TWO PEOPLE CAN PUT ON THE AGENDA, BUT IT'S UP TO THEM TO CONVINCE TWO OTHER PEOPLE TO MAKE IT STAFF DIRECTOR ONLY IF, SEE THAT'S NOT RIGHT. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT THE RULE SAYS. 
          BUT THAT'S HOW WE'VE APPLIED IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE RULE SAYS ONLY IF THE ITEM REQUIRES MORE THAN TWO HOURS OF STAFF TIME, WHICH GENERAL, I MEAN, DRAFTING THAT AGENDA, BILL'S PROBABLY AN HOUR ALONE. 
          SO IT REQUIRES MUCH MORE THAN THAT FOR ONE PERSON. 
          SO TWO HOURS OF STAFF TIME. 
          SO SUBSTANTIAL RESEARCH AND OR STAFF TIME, WHICH IS ANYTHING MORE THAN TWO HOURS. 
          SO I MEAN IT'S, NOBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS AND DOESN'T APPLY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH IT. 
          IT WAS LEFT UP TO THE CITY MANAGER TO DETERMINE WHAT REALLY IT'S BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CITY MANAGER DETERMINES SUB SUBSTANTIAL, WHICH IS GENERALLY MORE THAN TWO HOURS. 
          SO I, SO THEN MY PROBLEM 
          [02:40:01]
WITH MOVING THREE TO PUT SOMETHING ON AGENDA MIGHT THEN IMPLY THAT STAFF HAS GOTTA DO SOME SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WORK ON, YOU KNOW, THIS RECURRING TOPIC, THE PROBLEM THAT WOULD, THE ORIGINAL PROBLEM THAT GOT ADDRESSED BY THIS RULE THAT WE DON'T WANNA DO. 
          SO FOUR, IF FOUR PEOPLE SAY IF IT'S FOR, IT'S THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL IN THIS DIRECTION OF STAFF, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO I WOULD SAY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT I SHARE THAT FEAR COUNCIL AFFIRMING. 
          'CAUSE I MEAN, STAFF WILL DO WHAT IT FEELS LIKE IT NEEDS TO DO TO, TO RESOLVE THE REQUEST. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA, UM, SHORTCHANGE IT, BUT THEY'RE ALSO NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, QUIT EVERYTHING ELSE AND JUST FOCUS ON THAT NEW REQUEST BY COUNSEL FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS UNTIL IT GETS ON AN AGENDA. 
          UM, AND THE EVERY REQUEST FROM COUNSELORS THAT I'VE HEARD IN MY TIME HERE, YOU KNOW, OF LATE, I GUESS IS UH, ARE REASONABLE REQUESTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY'RE SOMETHING THAT'S PERTINENT TO WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          THEY'RE TIMELY. 
          SO. 
          WELL, YOU HAD TO SEE LAST NIGHT, DEREK SUGGESTED, IT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE. 
          DEREK SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO RE TALK ABOUT THE WEATHERIZATION PROGRAM. 
          NOW IS THAT GONNA REQUIRE TWO HOURS OF RESEARCH? I DON'T THINK SO. 
          THINK, BUT IT TOOK FOUR OF US TO BE ABLE TO GET IT. 
          NO, I ONLY TAKE TWO. 
          BETWEEN THE EVALUATING THE PROGRAM, UM, AND GETTING THE MORE INFORMATION HE WANTED AND JUSTIN GENDER BILL THAT THE CITY MANAGER BASICALLY SAID THAT WAS GONNA BE SUBSTANTIAL, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE THEN LOOKING FOR FOUR INSTEAD OF THE INTRODUCTORY ITEM. 
          IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE BECAUSE WE USE IT AS A BAD EXAMPLE BECAUSE I'M STILL NOT CLEAR ON EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA BE COMING FORWARD BECAUSE CAN I, CAN I SPEAK ON THAT? I SUPPORTED IT ONLY TO GET US MOVING. 
          I DON'T HAVE TO GO THERE ON THE SUBSTANCE OF IT. 
          IT'S NOT IZED. 
          OKAY. 
          LET WELL, BUT CAN I SAY I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T EXPECT A NEW STAFF REPORT. 
          I EXPECTED THE SEVEN OF US TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT OF THE INFORMATION WE'D ALREADY HEARD. 
          I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED JANIE TO COME BACK AND TAKE US BACK THROUGH THE PROGRAM OR GIVE US A REPORT ABOUT A PROGRAM THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN IMPLEMENTED YET. 
          I THINK WE SEVEN JUST NEED TO TALK A BIT MORE. 
          YEAH, I FEEL LIKE, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S MAYBE A DIFFERENT QUESTION, WHICH IS YES, STAFF DIDN'T PROBABLY KEPT, IF AFTER THE COUNCIL'S ALREADY VOTED ON AN ITEM AND GIVEN DIRECTION, WHAT'S THE PROCESS TO REVISIT SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON? BUT IT'S, HE'S NOT ASKING FOR A RECONSIDERATION. 
          THERE IS A RULE OF RECONSIDERATION. 
          HE JUST WANTS TO HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION. 
          THERE'S NOT A RULE ON ON HAVING ANOTHER DISCUSSION ON ALREADY PASSED. 
          REALLY WHAT HE WAS ASKING FOR WAS JUST A CLARIFICATION ON OR DIAL IN ON THAT ONE POINT. 
          AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY GOOD POINT. 
          I DON'T WANNA OVERTURN THE PROGRAM, BUT I WANT ARE WE, ARE WE KIND OF LIKE OFF THE, PROBABLY THE TOPIC NOW AND AND GOING INTO ANOTHER TOPIC THAT IS NOT AGENDIZED, BUT IT'S AN EXAMPLE. 
          THAT'S WHAT NO, I THINK IT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THIS THAT WE'VE, WE AT LEAST I DIDN'T, I FEEL LIKE THE CITY MANAGER DID AS WELL THAT THAT WAS GOING TO REQUIRE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME OF STAFF TO, AND SO MAYBE WE MISINTERPRETED IN THAT EXAMPLE. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE LOOKING FOR FOUR TO MOVE THAT FORWARD. 
          'CAUSE IF THERE WAS ONLY GONNA BE TWO, THEN WE WERE GONNA, WE WERE GONNA DO THE INTRODUCTORY 20 MINUTE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU. 
          THE THREE OF US TALK AFTER THIS MEETING. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THAT ON? OKAY, SO WHERE ARE WE NOW? LET'S, LET'S, LET'S MOVE ALONG. 
          THERE'S NO CONSENSUS ON CHANGING IT, IT SEEMS LIKE. 
          WELL, BUT MAYBE BRIAN HAS A SCOPE OF INSIGHT THAT HE CAN, HE USUALLY COMES UP WITH SOMETHING. 
          WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS TWO VERSUS FOUR THING, RIGHT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO DROP THE TWO, CHANGE THE FOUR TO THREE AND ANNETTE WILL TELL US IF IT HAS SOMEHOW BECOME ONEROUS AND IF IT HAS THEN WE REVISIT THIS AND ALTER IT. 
          SO YEAH, I MEAN WE COULD DELETE ALL OF THAT LANGUAGE AND JUST HAVE IT BE AT LEAST THREE COUNSELORS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S, SEE HOW IT WORKS. 
          WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE IT AGAIN. 
          COUNCILOR KINSELLA SAID SHE WAS OKAY WITH THAT. 
          MAYOR, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT? COUNCILOR LTZ IS OKAY WITH THAT. 
          I JUST WANTED SEE IF WE GOT ENOUGH TO MAKE. 
          YEAH, GIVE IT A SHOT. 
          WHAT YOU GONNA DO WITH GG CAN REMAIN THE SAME. 
          'CAUSE JUST SAYS ANY, SO IT, WE'LL JUST TAKE OUT TWO. 
          I'LL JUST SHOW YOU REAL QUICK. 
          WE ALREADY TOOK OUT, I ALREADY TOOK OUT TWO AND G SO IT'S WHEN AN AGENDA ITEM SUBMITTED BY COUNSELORS, WHICH WILL BE THREE NOW PER RULE A, UM, RIGHT IN THE MEETING. 
          I MEAN YOU ONLY TOOK SIX YEARS TO DO THAT. 
          I KNOW, RIGHT? AND, AND YOU'RE GONNA MOVE THAT UP, RIGHT? SO IT'S LIKE RIGHT NEXT TO THE THING TO WHICH IT REFERS FOR THOSE OF US WHO KNOW WHO, WHO LOSE THE DRAFT POTENTIALLY BETWEEN A AND G. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVE. 
          LET'S MOVE ALONG. 
          KURT, YOU GOT, YOU GOT THAT NOW? ALRIGHT. 
          HOPEFULLY I MESS UP THE FORMATTING TOO BADLY. 
          YOU PROBABLY DID, BUT YOU'LL FIX IT. 
          IT SAYS JOANNE DID IT SO WE'RE GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SHE MESSED IT UP IF ANYONE ASKS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE MOVED G UP TO BE RIGHT AFTER THAT AND IT'LL BE THREE COUNSELORS AND WE CAN REVISIT THIS IN A YEAR OR EARLIER IF ANNETTE UH, SAYS WE NEED TO THANK YOU. 
          SO THAT COMPLETES, 
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UH, RULE THREE. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO GO BACK ON RULE THREE AND TALK ABOUT THREE A FIVE OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          AND MY IDEA HERE IS THAT NOT THAT OUR PROCESS FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION IS BAD, BUT MY OPEN GOVERNMENT CONCERN IS THAT OUR PROCESS RIGHT NOW IS WE MEET AT THREE IN OPEN SESSION, WE CONVENE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE END EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          WE COME BACK TO AN OPEN SESSION AT THREE 30 OR FOUR O'CLOCK AND WE REPORT OUT SOMETIMES AN ACTION TAKEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          AND THAT'S ALL FINE. 
          MY IDEA HERE IS THAT THAT REPORTING OUT AT THE END OF OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION IS NOT DONE UNDER BROADCAST. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY DONE IN THE PUBLIC. 
          IT'S VOICE, VOICE RECORDED, BUT IT'S NOTHING ELSE. 
          SHE WANTS TO USE YOUR MIC. 
          SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU RECORDED. 
          THAT'S, YEAH. 
          SO MY IDEA IS THAT ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA, WE DO PUT AN ITEM ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA. 
          THAT IS A, THAT'S KIND OF THE SUMMARY REPORT OUT OF WHAT HAPPENED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          JUST SO IT IS NOW IN THE PUBLIC ON OUR BROADCAST, THE ACTION THAT THE COUNCIL HAD TAKEN. 
          COULD YOU BETTER DEFINE SUMMARY? SO IT, YOU KNOW, THE ITEM MIGHT SAY IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST EXECUTIVE SESSION SUMMARY AND, AND IT MIGHT BE NOTHING MORE THAN NO ACTIONS WERE TAKEN OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          THAT'S THE END OF THE ITEM. 
          OR IT MIGHT BE WE GAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY A 5% RAISE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE REPORTED OUT OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION WHEN WE DID IT OFFICIALLY. 
          THIS ISN'T AN OFFICIAL ACTION ANYMORE. 
          IT'S JUST A NEWS UPDATE FOR EVERYBODY LISTENING IN OF THE ACTION THAT WE DID TAKE. 
          BUT WE'VE NEVER TAKEN THAT, THOSE ACTIONS IN EXECUTIVE, WE COME BACK INTO REGULAR, IT'S CALLED DO REPORT ON IT. 
          IT'S CALLED OPEN SESSION, BUT IT'S NOT BEING RECORDED. 
          IT'S SO MAY COUNCIL. 
          IT'S BEING VOICE RECORDED BUT IT'S NOT BEING BROADCAST. 
          LET ME USE THE RIGHT WORDS. 
          IT'S NOT BEING BROADCAST, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY BEING COMMUNICATED TO THE PUBLIC. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCURATE, PETE. 
          NO, HE'S RIGHT. 
          HOLD ON. 
          HE'S SAYING IT'S NOT BEING REPORTED TO THE PUBLIC DURING THE REGULAR MEETING, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE, IT'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S DONE OPENLY. 
          THERE'S NO VIOLATIONS. 
          HE'S NOT, THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THE PROCESS. 
          I'M JUST SAYING WE COULD BE MORE OPEN THAN WE ARE BY GIVING A LITTLE SUMMARY TO EVERYONE ELSE THAT DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT AROUND AND SEE WHEN WE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AND BE HERE FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          COULD YOU HOLD FOR ONE SECOND? SURE. 
          LET ME WORK WITH THE CITY CLERK HERE. 
          JOE. 
          CAN'T THE CAMERAS BE TURNED ON AGAIN WHEN WE COME BACK? UH, AREN'T THEY TURNED ON? NO, NO, WE'RE, NO THEY'RE NOT FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION SESSIONS. 
          HE'S NOT SAYING MR. MAYOR, HE'S NOT SAYING DOING THAT DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION MEETING, HE'S SAYING. 
          SO WE'RE NOW, WE'RE AT FOUR 30. 
          WE START A REGULAR MEETING. 
          AN AGENDA ITEM DURING THAT MEETING WILL BE EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT. 
          YEP. 
          WE DO HAVE AN AUDIO RECORDING FOR THE OPEN. 
          YES. 
          WE DO PORTION ONE AND OR PORTION TWO THAT GETS POSTED ON THE WEBSITE. 
          SO THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          IT'S AUDIO. 
          IT'S JUST NOT, IT WOULD BE A VIDEO, A STANDING AGENDA ITEM AFTER PROCLAMATIONS. 
          IT'D BE ITS EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT. 
          NONE, 99% OF THE TIME IT'LL BE A NONE. 
          UM, ONCE IN A WHILE THERE'LL BE SOME ACTION WE TOOK OPENLY AT, AT THE END OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT COULD BE REPORTED EXACTLY AT THE REGULAR SESSION MEETING. 
          IT TOOK ME A LITTLE BIT TO UNDERSTAND IT AS WELL. 
          YEAH, ME TOO. 
          I TRY. 
          BUT, SO IF THERE WE HAVE A STAFF, YOU KNOW, UH, EVALUATION AT OR LEGAL ADVICE, IT WOULD, SO LEGAL ADVICE IS NEVER, WE DON'T EVER REPORT THAT AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          HOW WOULD YOU, HOW WOULD YOU IT WOULD ONLY BE, IT WOULD ONLY BE, SO COUNSELOR KINSELLA IS OUR MOTION MAKER, UH, GENERALLY, UH, WHEN WE COME OUTTA EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          SO IT'D ALMOST ONLY BE WHATEVER COUNSELOR KINSELLA SAYS JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          SO WHEN SHE SAYS I, IN OTHER WORDS, IN OTHER WORDS IT WOULD BE EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT REPORT. 
          UH, THERE WAS A MOTION TO GIVE WHICHEVER EMPLOYEE AN INCREASE. 
          YES. 
          SO HALF THE TIME IT'S THAT AND THE OTHER HALF THE TIME. 
          AND OTHER WOULD BE, THERE WAS LEGAL ADVICE WAS GIVEN AND RECEIVED WITH NO ACTION OR YEAH, WE WOULDN'T EVEN GO THAT FAR. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE, THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE WHEN COUNSEL TAKES ACTION WOULD BE, UM, COUNSEL DIRECTED STAFF TO PROCEED AS DIRECTED IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE, I THINK THE ONLY OKAY. 
          ONES THAT EVER COME UP. 
          BUT IT'S EITHER VAGUE DIRECTIONS OR IT'S, UM, ACTION ON PERSONNEL MATTERS. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S MORE TRANSPARENT. 
          UH, MAYOR, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE IN-DEPTH STUFF. 
          NO, NO. 
          BRIAN, I MEAN FOR ADDING THAT KIND OF TIME TO THE AGENDA, I'M THINKING WE NEED TO ELIMINATE SOMETHING ELSE FROM THE AGENDA, SEE WHAT GETS STARTED. 
          BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEAS WHAT THAT COULD BE. 
          SO I'LL, I'LL YIELD BACK TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION, THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION, MAYBE, MAYBE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. THERE YOU GO. 
          [02:50:02]
WOW. 
          LIKE WORDS. 
          GOOD TIMING THOUGH, BRIAN. 
          AND THEN KURT, IF I COULD ASK, WE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY AS A COUNCIL TO SCHEDULE AN OFF A MIDWEEK EXECUTIVE SESSION ON A, A LEGAL TOPIC AND DO THAT RIGHT. 
          BY POSTING IT CORRECTLY. 
          SO I MIGHT SAY THAT THIS REPORT WOULD COVER ANY POTENTIAL EXECUTIVE SESSIONS WE HAD FROM THE LAST TIME WE REPORTED OUT. 
          JUST SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND THE NEXT YOU COULD OCCURRING COUNCIL MEETING IT WOULD BE ADDRESSED. 
          EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          YOU COULD ALSO, IF TO LIMIT IT, UH, YOU COULD DO IT JUST ON THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETINGS OF THE MONTH. 
          SURE. 
          LIKE THE MOMENT OF ART TOO. 
          SO IT'S NOT EVERY YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          COULD BE SECOND BECAUSE THE FIRST IS ALREADY TAKEN OUR FIRST MEETING, BUT YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF MOMENT OF ART AT THE MOST, THIS, AT THE MOST, THIS REPORT OUT IS A MINUTE, RIGHT? YES. 
          OUR MOTIONS AREN'T LONG, SO SOUNDS LIKE A MOMENT TO ME. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING ALONG. 
          IT'S AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK, SO I'VE GOT A, I'M ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT, PETE? I'M GOOD WITH THAT, YEAH. 
          GOT ANOTHER ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE, DO I HAVE A MAJORITY THAT SUPPORTS THAT SOUNDS LIKE THREE NODS OR FOUR NODS. 
          , I'M LOOKING FOR AT LEAST FOUR AND NODDING. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AS LONG AS IT CAN BE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE MORE IN INVOLVED IN THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MY NEXT ITEM THERE IS, I'M GONNA JUST PUT A PLACEHOLDER IN HERE. 
          UM, EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT. 
          DID WE CARE WHETHER IT'S THE FIRST MEETING OR THE SECOND MEETING? I WOULD RATHER SEE IT JUST ON THE, JUST REGULARLY OR EVERY MEETING. 
          WELL JUST AFTER AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          KNOW, BECAUSE WE, WE, I, WE DON'T HAVE 'EM EVERY MEETING ANYWAY. 
          NO WEDNESDAY MEETINGS, NO WORK SESSION. 
          IT'S JUST THE, THE TWO TUESDAY MEETINGS, THE NEXT PROCEEDING. 
          BUT, BUT THEN IF IT COMES TO A MOMENT OF ARC, WE DON'T WANNA, IT'S ONLY WE'LL HAVE POSTPONE I'LL, I'LL GET SOME LANGUAGE THERE AND PUT IT IN. 
          ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ITEM MAYOR, IS, UH, ON PICK PAGE 24. 
          IT'S A RULE THREE I THREE, WHICH IS ON TOPIC HERE BECAUSE WE REFER TO THE MEETING'S AUDIO RECORDING, UH, OR THE MEETING'S, I'M SURE. 
          RECORDING PAGE IN WHAT PAGE? 24 IS RECORDING. 
          RULE THREE I THREE RULE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          SO WE TALK ABOUT THE RECORDING AND THE ONLY RECORDING THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS THE VIDEO AND WE HAVE AUDIO, BUT IT'S NOT SEARCHABLE. 
          IT'S REALLY CUMBERSOME. 
          I'VE HAD TWO OPPORTUNITIES RECENTLY WHERE I'VE HAD TO GO BACK TO FIND EXACTLY WHAT I SAID, AND IT WAS, IT'S DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A LONG MEETING. 
          THE SENSITIVITY OF THE GRANICUS SEARCH BAR IS, IS CUMBERSOME. 
          SO YOU END UP MAYBE PLAYING IT AT TWO TIMES SPEED AND HOPE YOU CATCH WHAT IT IS. 
          WHATEVER. 
          WE USED TO HAVE THE AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED TRANSCRIPT. 
          YES. 
          BUT THAT WAS ELIMINATED BECAUSE IT WASN'T ACCURATE. 
          SURE. 
          SUBSTANTIALLY NOT ACCURATE. 
          MATTER OF FACT, IT WAS ONE OF THE COUNSELORS WAS MISQUOTED IN THE PAPER BECAUSE THEY LISTENED TO THAT, UH, AND IT WASN'T ACCURATE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I WAS MISQUOTED THE PAPER AND IT WAS AC I MEAN, IT COULD HAVE BEEN ACCURATE. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          BUT IT, IT TOOK ME A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME TO GENERATE THE RECORD I NEEDED TO PROVE TO SOMEBODY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO I, I'M GOOD WITH US BEING VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT ACCURATE, BUT IT ENDS UP JUST BEING THE BETTER SEARCH TOOL FOR ME TO FIND WHEN I SAID SOMETHING. 
          I GET THE TIMESTAMP, THEN I GO BACK TO THE VIDEO AND ACTUALLY LISTEN TO WHAT HAPPENED IN THE MEETING. 
          AND IT JUST, IT'S WAY MORE EASY FOR US TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          I, AND I DO THE SAME. 
          I WATCH THE MEETINGS ALSO, BUT, UH, ESPECIALLY EVEN P AND Z'S, UH, MEETINGS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THE TECHNOLOGY IS REALLY, UH, THERE AND WHAT ARE WE GONNA PUT A DISCLAIMER ON EVERY VIDEO THAT THIS MAY NOT BE ACCURATE. 
          YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT SWAG. 
          I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK WE WANT ON ABOVE THE TRANSCRIPT, IF, IF COUNSEL WANNA GO BACK TO HAVING TRANSCRIPTS OF THE, OF THE MEETINGS VERY BIG BOLD THAT THIS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AI GENERATED AND, AND IS NOT ACCURATE. 
          RIGHT. 
          IS THERE A COST TO GOING BACK TO TRANSCRIPTS? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          WE JUST DON'T ALLOW IT TO BE PUBLIC ANYMORE. 
          WE HAVE ACCESS TO IT. 
          IT'S JUST NOT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. 
          SO WITH THAT SAID, PETE, IF YOU HAD ACCURATE, UH, ACCESS TO IT FOR YOURSELF OR ALL OF US HERE? YEAH, BUT IT WAS THE, WAS THE WEEKEND. 
          I DID ALL THAT WORK. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THE, THE FACT THAT I'M REALLY CONCERNED THAT THERE'S CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS AND GROUPS THAT EVEN IF IT HAS A DISCLAIMER ON THERE MIGHT MISS IT AND GO WITH WHAT THEY HEARD. 
          AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UH, A CONFLICT. 
          UH, MADAM CLERK, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? WELL, THEY'RE READING IT. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT LISTENING TO THE TRANSCRIPT. 
          THEY'RE READING THE TRANSCRIPT. 
          AND SO FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S JUST, THERE'S TYPOS BECAUSE IT'S WHAT THE AI HEARS. 
          SO BASICALLY IT'S THINGS LIKE 
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MAYOR JALO, IT'S, HE'S ALWAYS MAYOR JLO. 
          AND SO IT'S JUST LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THAT THE, THAT'S IT. 
          I LEARNED TO DANCE THEN ON THE BLOCK. 
          SO, AND YEAH. 
          AND SO DIFFERENT NAMES. 
          AND THEN I BELIEVE THAT THE ISSUE WAS BETWEEN, UM, A COUNSELOR STATING 16% VERSUS 60%. 
          AND SO THAT'S A PROBLEM. 
          IT WAS, BUT THAT'S MY POINT. 
          THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE. 
          AND IT WAS A HUGE PROBLEM IN THE, IN ONE OF THE PAPERS. 
          AND IT, I MEAN, AND THEN THE RETRACTION IS ALWAYS LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? SO WOULD, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE ON THE WRITTEN FORMAT TO HAVE A WATERMARK THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS? BECAUSE I, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK SWAG. 
          I BELIEVE THERE IS SOME INDICATION I'M THE TRANSCRIPT, BUT I'M REALLY ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE WERE BITTEN REALLY HARD, UH, BY IT ONCE. 
          IS THERE A REASON THAT WE COULDN'T SUPPORT THE MAYOR'S POSITION ON THIS? I DON'T, THERE'S TOO MUCH ROOM FOR IN. 
          I'M NOT ON A SATURDAY. 
          SOME PEOPLE WORK EIGHT DAYS LIKE I DO . 
          HOW DO, HOW DO YOU GET ACCESS TO, HOW WOULD WE GET ACCESS TO IT RIGHT NOW? I HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE LOG LOGIN. 
          I COULD ASK IF THERE, IF WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER ADMINISTRATIVE LOGIN WITH YOUR PASSWORD TO DO THAT. 
          I COULD ASK AND IT COULD BE ONE, ONE FOR ALL SEVEN OF US. 
          I COULD ASK. 
          OKAY. 
          WOULD THAT WORK FOR YOU, PETE? SO YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE IT, DEREK, YOU MIGHT MYSELF, BUT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING BITTEN TWICE. 
          IT, IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT. 
          I'M WILLING TO TAKE STEPS. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY, THEN LET'S GO WITH THAT. 
          SO WE'LL WAIT TO HEAR BACK FROM THE CITY CLERK YEAH. 
          ON THAT, UH, CHANGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT I, I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT MM-HMM . 
          IT WAS NOT GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHERE ARE WE NOW? I AM DONE ON RULE THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT PAGE IS RULE FOUR? THAT'S RULE FIVE IS RULE FOUR. 
          ALRIGHT, SO RULE FOUR A, THE MAYOR, I HAVE IT ON THE PRESENTATION. 
          SO IT'S PAGE 32, RULE STARTS FOUR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FOUR STARTS ON 32. 
          OKAY. 
          THE SUGGESTION HERE IS TO ADD IN THE A RS REFERENCE AS TO WHERE THE MAYOR IS CALLED THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY IN TWO LOCATIONS IN THE, IN THE STATE STATUTE AND A RS 9 2 73 B, AND ALSO IN 9, 2 36. 
          I DIDN'T BOTHER PUTTING IN BOTH, BUT THAT QUESTION HAS COME UP A COUPLE TIMES. 
          AND SO TO HELP ANSWER THAT FOR THE PUBLIC, UM, AND STAFF, I JUST PUT IT IN RIGHT HERE. 
          SO I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT TOO, MAYOR AND, AND KURT, IT JUST GOES BACK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT REALLY DOES THAT STATUTE SAY AND WHAT DOES IT ACTUALLY MEAN AND WHAT DOES SUBSEQUENT ANY LEGISLATION OR COURT CASES ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS? BECAUSE THIS IS A, ALSO, FOR ME, IT'S A, A, A CONFLICT WITH MY CONCEPT OF THE COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE STATE LAW DOES NOT DEFINE WHAT IT MEANS BY CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER. 
          IF YOU WERE TO ASK ME WHO THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE CITY IS, I WOULD SAY IT'S THE CITY MANAGER. 
          UM, WHO, AND THAT THE, UH, THE, UH, MAYOR IS MORE LIKE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          IF, IF THIS WAS A CORPORATION, UM, OR CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, IF IT'S A CORPORATION. 
          AND SO THAT'S COVERED IN, IN B WHERE IT SAYS THE MAYOR HAS THE FOLLOWING DUTIES AND INCLUDES BE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COUNCIL, PRESIDE OVER ITS MEETINGS. 
          UH, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT ADDS HISTORICALLY, THE REASON I BELIEVE THEY WERE CALLED THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER IS BECAUSE THE CIVIL RULES OF PROCEDURE REQUIRED, UM, ANYONE SUING A CITY TO SERVE ITS CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER. 
          AND SO THEY SERVED THE MAYORS. 
          EVENTUALLY, I THINK EVERYONE REALIZED IT WAS HARD TO FIND THE MAYORS WHO SOMETIMES DON'T HAVE REGULAR OFFICE HOURS OR ANY OFFICES. 
          AND SO THEY DECIDE, WELL, THE CITY CLERKS HAVE REGULAR OFFICE HOURS AND AN OFFICE AND WE CAN SERVE THEM A LOT EASIER. 
          AND SO BOTH THE RULES AND THE STATE LAW CHANGED, UM, TO LIST THE ABILITY TO SERVE CITY CLERKS. 
          UM, OTHER THAN THAT REASON, I DON'T KNOW, UM, WHY IT, UH, BUT IT'S STILL IN TWO SECTION OF LAW, WHY THEY CALL IT THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER. 
          IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S JUST CARRIED OVER FOR 'EM, UM, DECADES AGO. 
          AND, AND THERE IS A, I BET MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN IT, THE LEAGUE OF ARIZONA TOWNS AND CITY'S PUBLICATION ON THE COUNCIL MANAGER, FORMER GOVERNMENT. 
          AND THERE IS A PARAGRAPH IN THERE WHERE THEY ACTUALLY, THEY ALSO SAY THAT COUNCIL MANAGER, FORMER GOVERNMENT IS A BOARD CHAIRMAN, CEO STRUCTURE WHERE THE CEO IS THE CITY MANAGER. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING JUST REMOVE A, SO I, 
          [03:00:01]
NO, MY SUGGESTION WAS JUST TO CLARIFY WHERE THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER CAME FROM AND TO REFERENCE THE STATE LAW, UM, REMOVING OUTTA THE RULES OF PROCEDURE. 
          OBVIOUSLY IT'S STILL THE MAYOR'S STILL THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER PER STATE LAW, WHETHER WE LIST IT IN OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE OR NOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I THINK PETE'S, PETE'S, UM, POSITION IS TO REMOVE A, I WOULD PREFER TO REMOVE, UH, FOR A, FOR A , IT'S WHAT IT IS. 
          IT'S RULE FOUR, A MAYOR FOUR POWERS OF DUTIES, A PURSUANT TO BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          JUST REMOVE THAT ONE. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THERE. 
          BUT LIKE YOU SAID, ACCORDING TO STATE STATUTE, THAT'S THE STATE STATUTE. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO, WHICH REALLY DOES SUPERSEDE WHATEVER IS BELOW IT, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          AND THEN BACK TO COUNCILOR FURMAN'S POINT IS THE STATE DOESN'T DEF THE STATUTE DOESN'T DEFINE IT. 
          THE COUNCIL MANAGER, FORMER GOVERNMENT ESTABLISHED ELSEWHERE IN STATE LAW AND CITY ORDINANCES. 
          AND THESE RULES OF PROCEDURE REALLY SET UP THE CITY MANAGER AS THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER. 
          SO IT'S AN ACCURATE STATEMENT EITHER, BUT NOT MAYBE IN PRACTICE DOESN'T DO ANY WORK. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND MAY LEAD TO CON SOME, TO SOME CONFUSION. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD LEAD TO SOME CONFUSION. 
          SOME, UH, COUNSELS HAVE IT, SOME DON'T. 
          UH, I'M FINE WITH LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE IT IS BY STATE STATUTE AND ULTIMATELY WHETHER IT'S DEFINED TO, UH, PETE'S, UH, STANDARDS. 
          AND LIKE HE SAID, HE STARTED OFF, I BELIEVE HIS WORDS WERE, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, OR, AND I'M PARAPHRASING. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THAT'S HIS COMFORT LEVEL. 
          BUT THIS IS THE WAY IT HAS BEEN HERE FOR, UH, SINCE THE CORPORATION, I BELIEVE, SINCE, UH, YES, AS FAR AS I KNOW, 2 88. 
          BUT, BUT THE LAW WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WELL PREDATES THAT. 
          I THINK IT GOES BACK INTO THE FORTIES, 1940S OR SO WHERE IT SAYS, I'LL FINE WITH IT STAYING THE WAY IT IS. 
          BUT THERE IS, THERE IS NO DEFINITION IN THE STATE. 
          IT'S A STATUTE THAT SAYS SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY SAY ANYTHING. 
          YES. 
          THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF THAT. 
          SO THIS IS INDICATING THAT THERE'S A STATUTE WHOLE LOT OF THAT SAYS THIS STATUTE, IT DOESN'T, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO QUOTE EVERY SECTION. 
          THE STATUTE DOES SAY THAT. 
          IT JUST DOESN'T GIVE ANY MEANING BEHIND IT OR THE PURPOSE. 
          SO, AND WE DON'T QUOTE EVERY SECTION OF THE STATE LAW IN OUR RULES. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, WE DON'T REFERENCE EVERYTHING. 
          NO, BUT WHETHER WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT OR NOT, IT'S WHAT IT SAYS, THE THE REASON THE REFERENCE WAS ADDED WAS BECAUSE IT, THE QUESTION HAD COME UP A COUPLE TIMES. 
          AND SO IT'S LIKE, WELL, THIS IS WHY IT'S IN HERE. 
          IT'S BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE STATE LAW SAYS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE GOT, UH, MR. MAYOR, UH, LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS. 
          WE'VE GOT, UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA AND FURMAN, UH, DELETING THAT PARAGRAPH A. 
          SO I NEED A COUPLE MORE COUNSELORS WEIGH IN. 
          WHEN WE SAY LEAVE IT AS, AS IS, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THE PURSUIT TO A RS NINE DASH, LEAVING THAT, LEAVING THAT, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          TO, YEAH, TO ELIMINATE THE CONFUSION. 
          I WOULD LEAVE IT AS TO WHERE THE EXECUTIVE OFFICER CAME FROM. 
          I WAIT IT WRITTEN HERE. 
          I WOULD LEAVE IT. 
          I WOULD PUT IT THAT WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE GOT TWO AND TWO. 
          THIS SIDE OF THE JI HAVE NOT PARTICIPATED IN THIS DISCUSSION, SO I ABSTAIN, . 
          OH, WE'RE GONNA GET TO THAT TOO. 
          I KNOW WE DIDN'T GET THERE YET, BUT IT'S ALREADY GETTING LATE. 
          SO, UH, UNLESS THERE'S SOME FINANCIAL, UH, BENEFIT THERE. 
          I, AND I DIDN'T GIVE YOU A QUARTER OR ANYTHING. 
          SO THERE'S NO FINANCIAL BENEFIT. 
          , UM, BRIAN HOLLY, I THINK IT'S FINE THE WAY IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S THREE, I THINK IT'S GOOFY. 
          UM, BECAUSE THE MAYOR'S ROLE IS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, NOT CEO, THAT, UM, THE CITY MANAGER IS SO, I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH DELETING IT. 
          IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE AUTHORITY OF THE MAYOR ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          SO WE'RE THREE THREE IRONIC. 
          MELISSA? YEAH. 
          IRONICALLY. 
          NO, HOLLY DIDN'T FINE. 
          NO, SHE SAID IT IS FINE THE WAY IT WAS. 
          OH. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OH, THE POWER. 
          MELISSA  IT'S LIKE BEING VICE PRESIDENT . 
          I ACTUALLY, I'VE ACTUALLY ALWAYS THOUGHT OF THE COUNCIL AS A BOARD AND THE MAYOR AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD AND THE CEO WHO HAS TO MAKE ALL THE THINGS HAPPEN AS THE CITY MANAGER. 
          SO, UM, WHETHER THIS IS THE STATEMENT ACCORDING TO THIS OR NOT, I THINK THAT IT IS AT ODDS WITH HOW WE ACTUALLY DISCUSS THE ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF COUNCIL, MAYOR, AND THE CITY MANAGER. 
          SO I WOULD REMOVE IT. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          OKAY. 
          SOUNDS LIKE WE GOT MAJORITY SUPPORT. 
          JUST STRIKE A ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE IN, I HAVE SOMETHING IN, 
          [03:05:01]
IN RULE FOUR. 
          THINK IN THAT SECTION. 
          IN RULE FOUR, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IN RULE FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO UNDER, UM, FOUR A, FOUR F, WE'RE BACK TO THE LOCAL EMERGENCY THING. 
          I'VE MADE THIS CASE BEFORE WHERE I THINK IT SHOULD BE DECLARED BY PROCLAMATION, A TEMPORARY LOCAL EMERGENCY. 
          AND THAT ANYTHING THAT LASTS OVER 60 DAYS NEEDS TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR SUPPORTING, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR, BECAUSE THIS IS, OKAY, THIS GOES BACK TO TIMES OF COVID. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S WAS UNFAIR IN A WAY THAT THE POOR MAYOR GOT SADDLED WITH ALL OF THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO COUNCIL ACTION IN SUPPORT OR TO OVERTURN IF, FOR, FOR REASON. 
          THEY THOUGHT, BUT USUALLY IT'S GONNA BE IN SUPPORT. 
          UM, SO I, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE CLARIFICATION HERE THAT ANYTHING THAT'S NOT TEMPORARY NEEDS TO COME BACK BECAUSE THE MAYOR, ANY MAYOR SHOULDN'T BE CARRYING THAT BURDEN SOLELY OF AN EMERGENCY SITUATION IN, IN OUR CITY. 
          SO IT'S, I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS ANY, THE COUNCIL COULD HAVE OVERTURNED THE, THE MAYOR AT ANY TIME. 
          SO THE MAYOR CAN ISSUE A PROCLAMATION. 
          I THINK A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THAT DECISION BY THE MAYOR. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO HAVE TIMEFRAMES OR BE TEMPORARY OR NOT. 
          UM, IF COUNCIL HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT, THEN THEY CALL A MEETING. 
          WHERE WOULD, I WAS GONNA SAY, WHERE WOULD YOU REFERENCE IN OUR RULES THE ABILITY TO OVERTURN A PROCLAMATION? SO WHERE ARE WE? I THINK IT EXISTS IN THE, WE'RE ON PAGE 32. 
          ON PAGE 32, RIGHT WHERE WE WERE. 
          OH, RIGHT. 
          WHERE WE WERE , WE GOT FAR . 
          SO I BELIEVE THAT'S IN THE CITY ORDINANCES ON THE, ON EMERGENCIES. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN THE RULES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WHICH IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU'RE NOW MAKING SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS. 
          N NOT HAVE A REFERENCE OR EVEN A CROSS REFERENCE TO IT HERE, AND HAVE TO KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMEWHERE ELSE TO SEARCH IT OUT. 
          I DON'T CURRY, I'M NOT SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR OBJECTION TO CLARIFYING LANGUAGE OF JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING OVER 60 DAYS COMES BACK TO COUNSEL FOR AFFIRMATION. 
          IT DIDN'T, COUNCIL ASKED YOU REMEMBER THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          COUNCIL ASKED TO WEIGH IN AND WAS TOLD, TOLD THAT THEY COULDN'T. 
          THAT'S CORRECT TOO. 
          THAT IT WAS ONLY THE PURVIEW OF THE MAYOR. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND COUNCIL HAD NO AUTHORITY. 
          AND THEN WELL LOOK AT HAPPENED IN COTTONWOOD WHERE THE MAYOR TOOK THE BURDEN ON AND THERE WAS NOT ANY SORT OF AFFIRMATION BY COUNCIL WITH THAT. 
          AND THAT TURNED INTO A HUGE COMMUNITY UPROAR DOWN THERE. 
          AND I MEAN, WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN IT MIGHT BE THAT THE STATE LAW IS WHAT GIVES THE MAYOR THAT AUTHORITY. 
          AND SO THAT IF, IF COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO WEIGH IN, AND SO PUTTING IN THE RULES WOULDN'T NECESSARILY MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 
          COULD YOU JUST LOOK INTO THAT, IF THAT'S THE CASE OR NOT? YEAH, I'D BE, AND IF, IF IT IS NOT, IF THERE'S AN ABILITY FOR COUNCIL TO WEIGH IN, IF IT'S CHANGE THIS, IT'S OBVIOUSLY OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I'LL RESEARCH THAT. 
          DEREK, I WAS LETTING HIM FINISH WHATEVER YOU THOUGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I WILL YEAH. 
          RESEARCH THAT FOR YOU COUNSELOR KINSELLA, THE 60 DAYS BEFORE WE MOVE ON FROM THE EMERGENCY CONCEPT, SHOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT, NOT NECESSARILY HERE, BUT SOMEWHERE PUTTING IN OUR RULES, THE CONCEPT THAT, YOU KNOW, DECLARING AN EMERGENCY FOR PURPOSES OF PASSING AN ORDINANCE IS NOT THE SAME AS THIS. 
          'CAUSE IF YOU RECALL, WHEN WE, WE HAD THE, UH, EMERGENCY DECLARATION FOR, UM, AMBIGUOUS HOUSING, HOUSING, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. 
          THERE WAS THE BOT. 
          THE BOT. 
          THE BOT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF. 
          THAT WAS THE ISSUE. 
          PEOPLE, PEOPLE JUMPED ON THAT AND WERE LIKE, OH MY GOD, THEY'RE SAYING IT'S AN EMERGENCY. 
          DO WE HAVE SOMEWHERE IN WHERE OUR RULES, I MEAN, I THINK THEY, THE EMERGENCY AGAIN, IS ALL, I THINK THAT'S CONTROLLED BY STATE LAW. 
          DECLARING A, A PASSING AN ORDINANCE BY EMERGENCY MOTION IS DIFFERENT THAN DECLARING AN EMERGENCY. 
          I GET THAT. 
          BUT MY QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE HAVE SOME REFERENCE TO THAT SOMEWHERE IN THESE RULES? RIGHT. 
          SO WE CAN SAY TO PEOPLE, LOOK, THIS, YOU KNOW, AN EARTHQUAKE IS NOT THE SAME THING. 
          IT'S AN EMERGENCY, BUT THE BOND PASSAGE IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF I EMERGENCY BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO SAY THAT WE WERE SHOEHORNING, YOU KNOW, THE OR YEAH, YOU WERE SHOEHORNING THE BOND PASSAGE INTO COVER. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO JUST SOMEWHERE THE RULES TO EXPLAIN THAT THOSE ARE BOTH, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE BUT LEGITIMATE CONCEPTS. 
          YEAH. 
          I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT'S CONTAINED IN THE CURRENT RULES. 
          I CAN LOOK AT PUTTING THAT IN. 
          'CAUSE NO ONE'S GONNA LOOK AT STATE LAW IF WE TELL 'EM IT'S IN STATE LAW. 
          NO, NO. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PUTTING THAT IN. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHER COUNSELORS IS, IF THE, ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS 
          [03:10:01]
TO PUT IT IN? THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, BETWEEN, I WOULD JUST GET SOMETHING HERE THAT AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE AND A DECLARATION OF AN EMERGENCY THAT'S AFTER 60 DAYS. 
          NO, NO. 
          NOT THE 60 DAY THING FOR NOW. 
          UH, WE GOTTA LOOK TO SEE, I GOTTA LOOK TO SEE IF COUNCIL CAN, I WAS LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT HOLLY JUST SHOWED ME, WHICH I, I'LL BRING UP IN A SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT EXPLAIN TO ME, WHAT ABOUT THE BOND WHEN WE'RE DECLARING AN EMERGENCY FOR, TO BE ABLE TO DO A BOND, RIGHT. 
          THAT BID US. 
          SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CLARIFYING LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF EMERGENCIES. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR CLARIFY THAT EMERGENCY, RIGHT? THAT EMERGENCY. 
          THAT EMERGENCY. 
          I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. 
          EMERGENCY . 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, I'D LIKE TO BRING THIS UP HERE. 
          HOLLY JUST BROUGHT THIS TO ME ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT THE CEO POSITION AND SAYS HERE, RIGHT STATUTE TITLE IX AND SAYS SECTION B, THERE SHALL BE ELECTED A MAYOR OF SUCH CITY WHO SHALL BE THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE CITY. 
          THAT'S NOT AMBIGUOUS AT ALL. 
          THAT'S REALLY CLEAR. 
          NO. 
          YEAH. 
          WE WEREN'T SAYING THAT THAT STATUTE'S NOT AMBIGUOUS OR UNCLEAR. 
          WE WERE SAYING THAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THE SECOND PART, WHAT IS THE MAYOR BEING THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER? WELL, HOW FAR DO YOU WANT TO, I MEAN, TO ME IT'S, IT'S DEFINED. 
          THERE SHALL BE, UH, WHO SHALL BE THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE CITY. 
          DOES ANY COUNSELOR WANNA CHANGE THEIR POSITION ON REMOVING FOUR A? OKAY. 
          WE STILL HAVE FOUR FOR REMOVING IT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? FOUR. 
          YEAH. 
          AND RULE FOUR BEFORE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN THE, UM, THERE WAS REALLY ONLY ONE OTHER SUBSTANTIVE, I THINK COUNCILOR FURMAN YOU WANTED TO WEIGH IN ON. 
          UM, SO RULE 5G TALKS ABOUT ATTENDANCE AT COUNCIL COMMISSION, COMMITTEE BOARD, OR TASK MEETINGS BY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          UM, THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY LISTED IS THAT THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL'S, UM, MAY FROM TIME TO TIME TO BE INVITED TO INITIATE. 
          SO IT'S THE LAST PART, G ONE TWO. 
          UM, THEY MAY BE INVITED FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT THEY CANNOT BE PERMANENT MEMBERS OF ANY STAFF INITIATED COMMITTEE, TASK FORCE OR WORK GROUP MEETINGS. 
          UH, WITH THE CHANGE THAT COUNCIL DID, UM, TURNING THE AGENDA TEAM MEETING OVER TO CITY MANAGER, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING CHANGING THAT, DELETING THAT LAST PART, THAT THEY CANNOT ALWAYS ATTEND AND THAT THEY MAY NOT BE MEMBERS. 
          I'M SORRY, I'M NOT FINDING WHERE YOU ARE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          SO IT'S NOT, IT'S G PARAGRAPH G IT'S THE PARAGRAPH AFTER. 
          YEAH. 
          TWO YOU ALWAYS ATTENDED. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO MY, MY KURT, MY QUESTION TO YOU, KURT, WHEN I READ THIS IS THAT THIS IS 180 DEGREE SHIFT IN A POLICY. 
          AND SO I HAD A CHESTER FENCE QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT WHY WAS THIS PUT IN HERE? YEAH. 
          AND I, WE HAVE TO KNOW, WELL, I KNOW WHY IT WAS PUT IN HERE. 
          I WAS THERE WHEN PUT IN, I BELIEVE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M INTERESTED THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. 
          'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T GO CHANGE AND THINGS GET PUT IN FOR A REASON. 
          AND IF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE WERE COUNSELORS WHO WERE ATTENDING CERTAIN COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND COMMISSIONS AND BEING, UH, OPINING DURING THOSE MEETINGS SPEAK. 
          YEP. 
          THEY'RE OPINING IN THOSE MEETINGS. 
          AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE TO OBSERVE PRIMARILY NOT TO BE PART OF, IF THEY'RE NOT ON A COMMISSION OR THEY'RE NOT ON THE BOARD, THEY WERE BEING LOOKED AT TO, UH, ESPECIALLY DURING THE, THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. 
          THEY WOULD SIT IN OR THEY, UH, WOULD UH, BE PART OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. 
          AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT INSIGHT. 
          AND TO ME IT WAS LOOKING AT, THEY, THEY, THEY D HAVE A DIFFERENT PURVIEW. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, YOU WANNA HAVE A, AN OPEN, HONEST DISCUSSION FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE READING THE INFORMATION AND NOT BEING SWAYED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          AND IT WAS HAPPENING THAT THEY WERE BEING SWAYED. 
          SO AT LEAST ONE OR TWO, UH, INSTANCES. 
          SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY COULDN'T SIT ON THE BOARD. 
          THEY COULD SIT AND OBSERVE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT NOT BE PART OF IT. 
          SO THEN PERHAPS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE. 
          'CAUSE THESE ARE STAFF INITIATED COMMITTEES, TASK FORCE, AND THOSE AREN'T GENERALLY OPEN UP OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT EVEN STILL, SO THEY'RE ONLY, IT SAYS HERE THAT THE COUNCILS ONLY, THEY MAY BE INVITED TO ATTEND THOSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT SOME OF THEM WANT TO, BUT THEY'RE NOT SITTING ON, SITTING ON THE COMMITTEE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS, SO IF, IF CITY MANAGER HAS AN AGENDA TEAM MEETING NOW AND SHE WANTS TO INVITE THE MAYOR OR VICE MAYOR OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER COUNSELORS AT TIMES TO, TO ATTEND HER STAFF, HER AGENDA TEAM MEETING, UM, THIS, WE GET IN TROUBLE WITH THE SECOND PART HERE. 
          IT SAYS THEY MAY NOT SERVE AS REGULAR MEMBERS OF THESE COMMITTEES, TASK FORCE AWARD GROUPS. 
          SO, SO THAT'S WHERE THE SUGGESTION TO CHANGE THIS COMES FROM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DOESN'T THAT 
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BRING UP THE PREVIOUS, THE POTENTIAL FOR THE PREVIOUS PROBLEM? AGAIN, IT SAYS PARTICIPATE, RIGHT? THEY MAY BE INVITED TO PARTIC INTEND TO PARTICIPATE, BUT IT'S THE LAST CLAUSE. 
          THEY MAY NOT SERVE AS REGULAR MEMBERS OF THOSE COMMITTEES TASK FORCE OR WORK GROUPS THAT I WAS LOOKING TO REMOVE FROM THE RULES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MY PURPOSE FOR BRINGING THIS UP WAS BECAUSE IT'S 180 DEGREE SHIFT IN POLICY. 
          I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A, A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE REASONS WHY IT WAS THERE BEFORE AND THE REASONS WHY WE'D WANNA CHANGE. 
          SO I JUST, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION THEN. 
          BASED ON US TURNING THIS OVER TO THE CITY MANAGER, THE AGENDA SETTING, IF THE MAYOR AND THE VICE MAYOR ARE ALWAYS THERE, THEN ARE THEY SERVING AS REGULAR MEMBERS? CORRECT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY MANAGER'S INTENTION IS, BUT IF SHE WERE GOING TO INVITE THEM AT EVERY MEETING, THEN THAT THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BE REGULAR MEMBERS. 
          IT WOULD APPEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IS OF THE WORK GROUP, JUST DESPITE THE SAME AS YOU ON THE, IT JUST SRC RIGHT? YOU'RE A REGULAR MEMBER. 
          THIS YEP. 
          THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT A STAFF ONE. 
          BUT, BUT IT'S KIND OF WELL, IT IT IS. 
          BUT THIS, THIS KURT, THIS IS NOT BY STATE STATUTE, THIS IS BY OUR RULES, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO, SO BY CHANGING THAT, IT'S A TASK FORCE. 
          I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY TO WHAT THIS PERTAINS TO WHAT, WHICH COMMITTEE STAFFS, I MEAN, IT'S STAFF INITIATED COMMITTEES, TASK FORCE, OR WORK GROUPS. 
          SO SOMETHING, A STAFF ONE. 
          SO SOMETHING HERE'S A, A RECENT, HOLD ON, A RECENT EXAMPLE MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP YOU WORK THROUGH THIS. 
          SO NANCY LATTANZI CREATED A STAFF INITIATED WORK GROUP FOR THE POET LAUREATE SELECTION COMMITTEE. 
          UM, AND UNDER THIS RULE, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL COULD PARTICIPATE, RIGHT? AND SO WE SENT OUT THE INVITATION TO YOU IF YOU WANTED TO JOIN THAT STAFF INITIATE COMMITTEE TO JUDGE BE PART OF THE JUDGING FOR THE POET LAUREATE. 
          UM, WE DID PUT IN THERE THOUGH THAT WE WOULD KEEP IT TO THREE OR FEWER COUNSELORS, YOU KNOW, TO NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH OPEN MEETINGS, LAW, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          BUT THAT IS A CURRENT EXAMPLE WHERE YOU CAN SEE HOW, UH, HOW IT WORK, I GUESS. 
          AND SO WITH THE STAFF INITIATE COMMITTEE AND THE ABILITY OF THE COUNCIL TO HELP PARTICIPATE, IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE. 
          AND IT'S MAKING ME THINK THAT COUNSELORS SHOULD NOT BE PART OF THAT BECAUSE THE RECOMMENDATION IS BEING MADE TO COUNCIL ABOUT WHO THE POET LAUREATE WOULD BE. 
          SO WHOEVER IS PARTICIPATING GETS TO VOTE ON WHO COMES BEFORE THEM FOR A VOTE. 
          BUT THAT HAPPENS LIKE REGULARLY WITH COUNCIL APPOINTEES, P AND Z, UM, HPC, YOU KNOW, THERE'S COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES THAT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. 
          SO THAT WOULD ARGUABLY BE PROHIBITED UNDER THE RULES WHERE IT SAYS THEY CAN'T SERVE AS A REGULAR MEMBER OF THOSE COMMITTEES. 
          IT'S LIKE THEY CAN ATTEND OCCASIONALLY AND, AND, AND OPINE, BUT YOU COULDN'T ACTUALLY BE A MEMBER OF HER, UH, POET LAUREATE. 
          WELL, IN THE POET LAUREATE EXAMPLE, THAT WORK GROUP IS MEETING REGULARLY. 
          AND SO WE ONLY INVITED THE COUNCIL TO PARTICIPATE IN ONE PIECE OF IT. 
          THEY'RE NOT GOING TO EVERY SINGLE COMMITTEE MEETING OR INVOLVED IN THE ENTIRE PROCESS. 
          IT'S JUST ONE PIECE OF THE PROCESS. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE OKAY. 
          YEAH, YOU'RE OKAY RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST SAYING. 
          BUT IF YOU WANTED 'EM TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE AND ATTEND EACH OF THE MEETINGS AND HAVE ONE, ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE, UH, COUNCIL BE PROHIBITED BY THE CURRENT RULE, BUT IT WOULD BE ALLOWED IF WE DELETE THAT LAST CLAUSE. 
          I'M FINE WITH THE DELETION. 
          I'M NOT CLEAR ON HOW I FEEL HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TIME BECAUSE THIS IS, UM, WHERE WE'RE AT IN A FEW OF THE CHANGES THAT I NEED TO LOOK UP TO THIS. 
          WE'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, IF I FEEL PRETTY SOLID ABOUT, I'LL JUST PUT ON A CONSENT AGENDA AND, AND THEN COUNSELOR CAN PULL IT IF THEY WANT TO. 
          BUT I'LL BRING THESE CHANGES BACK AT A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING. 
          UM, SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE TIME TO, TO EXPLORE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          YOUR FEELINGS ON THAT, I GUESS. 
          UNLESS WE JUST HAVE A, AND COUNCILOR FURMAN, YOU FLAGGED IT. 
          DID YOU HAVE A, SINCE YOU'VE THOUGHT, THOUGHT ABOUT IT THE MOST, DID YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON THE CHANGE OR NOT? WELL, I, FOR ONE, AM OPEN-MINDED TO THE IDEA OF HOUSING, HAVING COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEES. 
          AND SO YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE THIS KIND OF CHANGE TO NOW IT WOULD BE PUBLIC MEETINGS THEN. 
          YEAH. 
          IF IT'S A COUNCIL ONE, IT WOULD BE ALREADY PUBLIC. 
          THIS IS A STAFF INITIATED TO ALLOW COUNSELORS TO BE THE MEMBERS OF THOSE IF INVITED NOT TO FORCE THE WAY IN. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I THINK KATHY TOUCHED ON IT BEFORE THAT 
          [03:20:01]
A STAFF INITIATED COMMITTEE IS TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S EVENTUALLY GONNA COME TO COUNCIL AND HAVING COUNSELORS GO THERE INFLUENCES THE DISCUSSION IN A WAY THAT MM-HMM . 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW TO THINK ABOUT. 
          SO I, I I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THE WORDING OF THE RULES BEFORE THE CHANGE, EVEN THOUGH, YEAH, PROHIBITING REGULAR. 
          OKAY, WELL WHY DON'T WE GO DOWN TODAY, DEREK, WHERE ARE YOU? LANGUAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND DOES PETE AS AND KATHY'S NOT SURE. 
          I REALLY DON'T KNOW. 
          I NEED TO THINK MORE ABOUT THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT IN LIGHT OF THE OTHER CHANGE ABOUT ELIMINATING OR CHANGING THE RULES COMMITTEE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I MEAN, FOR THAT ONE THEN, IF, AND THAT DECIDES YOU WANTED A COUNSELOR OR MORE ON THE AGENDA TEAM, SHE, SHE COULD EITHER ROTATE THROUGH COUNSELORS, BUT SHE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ALWAYS HAVE LIKE THE MAYOR OR VICE MAYOR THAT MEETING. 
          THEY'D HAVE TO BE EVERY OTHER TIME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          OR EVERY, I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO THE REST OF OUR COLLEAGUES, HOLLY, I DID NOT, UH, I'VE PARTICIPATED IN, IN MEETINGS. 
          I THOUGHT THEY TASK FORCES. 
          I THOUGHT THEY WERE VALUABLE. 
          YOU'VE BEEN ON TASK FORCES. 
          THIS WOULD PRECLUDE US FROM BEING ON A TASK FORCE IN THE FUTURE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I DON'T THINK IT'S, I THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE IT NOW SEPARATELY. 
          I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE POET LAUREATE, BUT I THINK THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE BECAUSE NOT ALL TASK FORCES ARE INFLUENCING DECISIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          I, THIS IS A HARD ONE BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU NEED CATEGORY A AND CATEGORY B , YOU KNOW? WELL, I'D RATHER DO IT NOW AS OPPOSED TO PUT IT, PUT IT OVER, UH, TO A FUTURE TIME. 
          HAVE IT GO CONSENT AGENDA. 
          YOU'RE GONNA PULL IT AND WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. 
          WELL WE'RE, IT'S COMING BACK TO US ANYWAY, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          I CONSENT. 
          BUT WE HAVE, WE'RE, WE'RE AT 2, 2, 1 UNDECIDED YET. 
          SO I, I REALLY, I COUNSEL DON'T I REALLY WANNA UNDERSTAND, PUT THIS ONE OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, MELISSA  THE PRESSURE AGAIN. 
          WELL, WE STILL HAVE BRIAN. 
          SO I THINK THE CONTEXT REALLY DOES PLAY A PART IN, IN WHAT WE'RE, HOW YOU WOULD APPLY SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          SO IF YOU REMOVE THE, THE STRIKEOUT, IF THE STRIKEOUT IS GONE, IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT YOU CAN SERVE, UM, AS A REGULAR MEMBER, AS I READ THIS, IT'S JUST THAT THERE HAS TO BE LESS THAN FOUR INDIVIDUALS. 
          THAT'S WHAT THIS WOULD, WOULD NOW SAY. 
          UM, AND I AGREE IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHAT THE TASK FORCE IS. 
          SO FOR INSTANCE, WITH THE, UM, HOUSING, UM, I TASK FORCE OR COMMITTEE OR WHATEVER IT WAS, WAS CITY INITIATED. 
          IT WASN'T CITY INITIATED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          WELL THEN THAT WOULD BE THE GSRC, NOT CITY INITIATED. 
          UM, BUT YOU'RE THE CITY REPRESENTATIVE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY MUDDY. 
          YOU'RE GONNA BE ASKING, BUT IT SAYS PARTICIPATE IN STAFF INITIATED COMMITTEES, TASK FORCE OR WORK GROUPS. 
          YEAH. 
          TASK FORCE IS NOT STAFF INITIATED. 
          IT'S A SEPARATE PHRASE. 
          RIGHT? IT'S A TASK FORCE. 
          NO, IT'S MUST TO BE ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE STAFF INITIATED. 
          THE STAFF INITIATED APPLIES TO EACH OF THOSE. 
          SO STAFF INITIATED COMMITTEE IS STAFF INITIATED TASK FORCE OR STAFF INITIATED WORK GROUP. 
          THIS COMMA IS SO IMPORTANT. 
          , , CALM IS KILL. 
          UM, SO YEAH, THIS IS SPECIFIC TO STAFF INITIATED GROUPS OF ANY TYPE, AGAIN. 
          AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO MAKE TO THINK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE YOU WANT TO ENSURE THAT COUNCIL'S NOT INFLUENCING THE STAFF OR OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE INVITED INTO THOSE COMMITTEES. 
          'CAUSE YOU WOULD ASSUME ANYTHING THAT STAFF INITIATED WILL END UP IN FRONT OF COUNCIL AT SOME POINT IN TIME. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THE QUALMS. I I WOULD JUST SAY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NO FACTS IN EVIDENCE. 
          AND SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY IF THIS IS COMFORTABLE, WE JUST GO WITH THIS. 
          AND IF IT TURNS OUT THIS DOESN'T WORK, THAT WE FIND THAT WE'RE HAVING COUNCIL INFLUENCING, UM, STAFF COMMITTEE DECISIONS AS THEY COME IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, THEN, WHICH I WOULD LEAVE UP TO THE CITY MANAGER TO, YOU KNOW, INFORM COUNCIL THERE'S SOME ISSUE, THEN WE CAN REVISIT THIS AND SAY, 
          [03:25:01]
YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT'S THE SPIRIT OR INTENTION. 
          HOW WILL WE KNOW THAT THOUGH? ? WHAT'S THAT? SORRY? HOW WILL WE KNOW WHETHER WE'RE IN, WHETHER THE STAFF ARE BEING INFLUENCED? I MEAN THEY'RE GENERALLY, WELL I, I WOULD ASSUME, I WOULD ASSUME THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY MANAGER OR ONE OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CITY MANAGERS, DIRECTORS, WHOEVER IS DOING THIS, WOULD COME AND SAY, WE FEEL REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE NOT GOING IN THIS DIRECTION BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TWO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. 
          I DON'T KNOW IT, THIS IS VERY FUZZY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          THIS IS REALLY FUZZY. 
          AND YOU CAN GO EITHER WAY HERE AND DECIDE EITHER WAY. 
          ALL YOU CAN DO IS SAY WHICHEVER WAY YOU CHOOSE. 
          IF YOU'RE WRONG, YOU CAN CHANGE IT BACK. 
          THAT, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON COUNCIL IS GONNA TRY TO COERCE STAFF INTO DOING ANYTHING. 
          BUT I THINK STAFF ARE JUST NATURALLY GOING TO SORT OF SUBCONSCIOUSLY . 
          WELL THEN YOU CAN TAKE, THEN YOU CAN DO THE STRIKE UP. 
          NO, SO I THINK, I MEAN, I DISAGREE THAT THE STAFF IS GOING TO INVITE A COUNSELOR BECAUSE THEY WANT THEIR INPUT ON SOMETHING. 
          LIKE THAT'S THE POINT OF IT. 
          UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE POET LAUREATE, IF THEY WANTED HIM TO BE A MEMBER OF THAT, THERE'S THE MAYOR'S ARTS AWARD, YOU KNOW, ARGUABLY HE SHOULD BE ON HIS OWN COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NAMED AFTER HIM AND BE A MEMBER OF THAT. 
          BUT I, I DON'T, TO BE FAIR, YOU DON'T WANNA BE, I DON'T KNOW. 
          NO, NO, NO, I DO, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY INPUT IN WHO THE CHOICE IS. 
          YOU DON'T RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT ARGUABLY YOU, YOU MIGHT NEED WANT TO OR THE STAFF MIGHT WANT YOUR INPUT ON THEM. 
          SO, OR SOME OTHER FUTURE WE HAD, WE HAD A TASK FORCE. 
          KATHY AND I WERE ON THIS WOULD PRO, IF IT DIDN'T DO THE STRIKE, I WOULD PROHIBIT IT. 
          WE WERE INVITED BY THE CITY MANAGER TO DO A DEEP DIVE INTO THE CHAMBER CONTRACT. 
          AND THAT WAS A LOT OF WORK. 
          AND WE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          UH, BUT WE DID A LOT OF WORK AT THE REQUEST OF THE, OF THE CITY MANAGER BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT. 
          WE HAD AN, THE AGENDA BILL. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THERE WERE THREE OF US ACTUALLY. 
          'CAUSE TOM WAS ON IT TOO. 
          BUT HE DIDN'T DO ANY WORK, BUT HE WAS ON IT. 
          . 
          NO, I DIDN'T SAY THAT. 
          UH, . 
          BUT WE WOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM, FROM DOING THAT UN UNLESS WE DID THE STRIKEOUT. 
          FINE. 
          DO THE STRIKEOUT. 
          I, I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S FINE TO DO IT. 
          OKAY, BRIAN. 
          SO IS THAT ILLEGAL? I VOTE TO ADJOURN, BUT UM, I THINK IF I SAY I'M GOING ALONG WITH THE VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELOR DUNN, I BELIEVE I'M SAYING SOMETHING CONSISTENT, AM I NOT? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING. 
          SAY THAT AGAIN BRIAN. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          HE'S GOING ALONG WITH, UH, THE THREE OF US SO THAT WELL AND NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I AM, I'VE MADE UP MY MIND AFTER DIGESTING THIS AND I AM SUPPORTING THE CHANGE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I THINK I AM TOO. 
          IT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY. 
          AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE CAN GO BACK AND CHANGE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF CHESTER'S TENDS FENCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE, WE'LL NEED TO PUT IT BACK. 
          BUT  MR. THE COMMON NEEDS TO GO BACK. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? WELL, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COUNSEL. 
          THAT'S BASICALLY IT. 
          SO LIKE IN RULE SIX, WE WERE JUST UPDATING IT. 
          WE USED TO CALL IT THE CITIZEN INFORMATION CARD. 
          A NOW IT'S THE PUBLIC COMMON CARD. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT IS ON THE AGENDA. 
          UM, ADDING IN A NEW SUBSECTION TO THE ABILITY OF COUNSEL TO, UM, OR THE POLICE REALLY TO REMOVE SOMEONE WHO'S SERIOUSLY DISRUPTING THE, THE PUBLIC MEETING, WHICH THANKFULLY WE'VE NEVER HAD TO DEAL WITH. 
          UM, AND THEN JUST SOME BASIC CLEANUP IN, IN RULE SEVEN. 
          AND THEN NOTHING IN THE POLICIES IF I OH, IN COMPLIANCE WITH OPEN MEETING LAW AND PUBLIC RECORDS LAW. 
          BUT OTHER THAN THAT, SO I HAVE ANOTHER TO BRING UP. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS IN HERE. 
          SURE. 
          WHICH IS THE RULES ON RECONSIDERATION. 
          WHERE IS, WHERE IS THAT EARLY? SO THAT'S, YEAH. 
          RULE THREE, THAT'S THREE. 
          UM, THREE UNDER ALL THE RULES. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          11, 11 3 11, 3 SOMETHING. 
          11 THREE. 
          WHAT'S THE LETTER? THREE E THREE E 11. 
          THREE E 11. 
          THERE WE IS. 
          OKAY. 
          PAGE 23. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ANY ABSENT COUNSELOR WITHIN 60 DAYS HAD ANY ABSENT COUNSELOR, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BEING ABSENT AND THEN FOR UP TO 60 DAYS THAT YOU CAN BRING IT BACK. 
          BECAUSE ROBERT'S RULES, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO SOMEBODY WHO VOTED IN THE MAJORITY, IF YOU WERE ABSENT, YOU DIDN'T VOTE IN THE MAJORITY, YOU DIDN'T VOTE, YOU WEREN'T THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I DON'T MIND AN ABSENT COUNSELOR LOBBYING SOMEBODY ELSE TO BRING IT FORWARD. 
          BUT I THINK THAT, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES 
          [03:30:01]
WHERE WE NEED TO STAY AS CONSISTENT WITH LIKE BASIC PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE AND ROBERT'S RULES. 
          UM, RATHER THAN GOING SO FAR AFIELD IN OUR OWN RULES THAT IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S GENERALLY ACCEPTED BEST PRACTICE. 
          UM, I I JUST THINK THAT IT'S JUST, THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH OF THE, IF YOU GO ON A VACATION AND YOU WEREN'T THERE FOR AN ITEM, YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE VOTE TURNED OUT, YOU GET TO BRING IT BACK. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          I THINK THAT, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          I AGREE. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE AT ALL. 
          I DO AGREE. 
          SO IT WOULD BE, IF THE MAJORITY WANTED, WE WOULD STRIPE ANY ABSENT COUNSELOR WOULD JUST BE MM-HMM . 
          IT WOULD BE ANY COUNSELOR WHO VOTED WITH THE PREVAILING SIDE COULD REQUEST IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WOULD LEAVE ANYONE ABSENT FOR HEALTH REASONS OR VACATION REASONS. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET SOMEONE ON THE PREVAILING SIDE IN ORDER TO BRING BACK A RECONSIDERATION BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T, THEY WEREN'T A PART OF THE DEBATE, THE CONVERSATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE OF THE VETTING, I MEAN, YOU COULD WATCH IT ON TV AND THINK YOU WERE A PART OF IT, BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME AS STARING YOUR COLLEAGUES IN THE EYE. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I HAVE STRUCK THOSE FOUR WORDS. 
          THE ABSENT COUNSELOR OR, AND IT'S JUST ANY COUNSELOR WHO VOTED IN THE PREVAILING SIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE WE DONE WITH THAT? I, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          KATHY, THAT WAS YOUR LAST, UH, THIS IS MY LAST ONE. 
          I'M TURNING TO PETE, SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE. 
          I I DID HAVE ANOTHER ONE AND I'M NOT GONNA, I KNOW I'M NOT GONNA MAKE MUCH OF A CASE OF IT BECAUSE I REALLY THINK THE RULES ARE A DESIGNATION FROM COUNSEL OF, OF ASSIGNMENT OF A DUTY, BUT IT IS IN RULE SEVEN AND IT'S ABOUT THE WHAT PAGE? UH, 39 RULE SEVEN A PAGE 39. 
          I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. 
          39. 
          39. 
          SO THIS IS ABOUT THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENTS OF THE, UH, LIAISON ROLES, WHICH I, I WANNA BE CLEAR, I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM  WITH IT. 
          IT'S BEEN WORKING FINE. 
          UM, BUT IT IS A, ON THE FACE PRIMA OFFALY, IT IS A CONFLICT WITH COUNCIL MANAGER, FORMER GOVERNMENT OTHER THAN THIS RULE DOES US, THE COUNCIL DE UH, DESIGNATING OUR POWER TO APPROVE THINGS TO THE MAYOR. 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE FINE, BUT I JUST, IT IT, IT IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS TO ME THAT STRIKES, IT'S REALLY NOT COUNCIL MANAGER FORM GOVERNMENT. 
          UH, I WOULD PREFER THAT THE MAYOR BRING HIS RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL BODY AND WE PROVE IT AS A REGULAR ORDER OF BUSINESS ON THAT TIME. 
          BUT I DO UNDERSTAND IT'S ALL FINE BECAUSE THE RULE IS ESSENTIALLY THE, A PREVIOUS COUNCIL DELEGATING THAT AUTHORITY JUST TO THE MAYOR, WHICH WE MAY BE COMFORTABLE WITH, BUT IT ISN'T COUNCIL MANAGEMENT FORMER GOVERNMENT. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          ANYBODY WHO AGREES WITH PETE, I'M NOT AS STRONG. 
          I DO THINK THAT THAT'S A BETTER WAY, BUT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING AT ALL THAT I FEEL VERY COMPELLED BY AT THE MOMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FUTURE WILL BRING . 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I'M NOT SEEING ANY OTHER SUPPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE FROM COUNSEL? NOPE. 
          UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE? UM, PAGE. 
          PAGE PLEASE. 
          THAT WAS THE START. 
          IT'S ON THE SCREEN. 
          IT WAS, LET'S SEE WHAT PAGE. 
          OH, UP, DOWN WAY AT THE BEGINNING. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          WAS IT A, SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN BEFORE THE RULES. 
          YEP. 
          OH, BEFORE THE, RIGHT AFTER THE PACKET. 
          YEP. 
          NOW I GOTCHA. 
          RIGHT AFTER THE AGENDA. 
          BILLING 10, PAGE 10. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AH, YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I DID HAVE A NOTE ON THERE FOR, UM, SO 2.20 POINT 100. 
          UM, WHY ARE WE CHANGING THE THRESHOLD? SO THE COUNCIL RULES, UH, THIS GOES TO THE COUNCILOR FURMAN'S POINT EARLIER. 
          ALLOW THEM TO BE AMENDED BY A SIMPLE MAJORITY. 
          AN ORDINANCE INCLUDING THIS ONE ONLY NEEDS A SIMPLE MAJORITY TO, UH, CHANGE IT. 
          AND SO IT SEEMED TO BE MORE CONSISTENT TO HAVE IT JUST BE 10 PAGE TIME. 
          A MAJORITY INSTEAD OF A THREE-FOURTHS, A THREE-FOURTHS VOTE, UM, IS SIX COUNSELORS FOR, ON A BODY OF SEVEN YOU HAVE TO ROUND, IT'S 5.25, YOU GOTTA ROUND UP TO SIX. 
          YOU DON'T GET TO DO A QUARTER COUNSELOR. 
          SO, SO KURT, IT MAY BE USEFUL OF, I BELIEVE YOU HEARD, I HEARD YOU SAY BEFORE THAT WE AS A BODY, AS A ENTITY, THE CITY USED TO DO A LOT OF STUFF IN ORDINANCE. 
          THEN WE CAME UP WITH OUR RULES AND WE MOVED A LOT OF STUFF HERE. 
          AND THIS IS KIND OF ARTIFACTS 
          [03:35:01]
THAT STILL SIT OUT IN AN ORDINANCE THAT KURT WOULD WANT TO CLEAN UP. 
          YEAH. 
          SO CORRECT. 
          THE, THE THREE-FOURTHS VOTE IS IN THIS CONTEXT WAS REALLY ONLY SUSPENDING ANY MATTER. 
          UM, I MEAN, SO ONE IT CO CORRESPONDS WITH THE, THE, THE COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE AND THEN IN THE PROVISIONS IT ALLOWS THE CITY CODE IN ANY PROVISIONS IN THAT TO BE SUSPENDED BY JUST A MAJORITY. 
          SO A MAJORITY VOTE AS WELL INSTEAD OF THREE THREE-FOURTHS. 
          SO IT WAS JUST TO BE CONSISTENT. 
          UM, IF COUNCIL'S PREFERENCES LEAVE THAT THREE-FOURTHS HERE, I WOULD AT LEAST CHANGE IT AND SEPARATE OUT THE CITY CODE CAN BE TEMPORARILY SUSPENDED. 
          UM, WELL THREE-FOURTHS OF VOTE, BUT THE CITY RULES OF PROCEDURE ONLY NEED A MAJORITY. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ALREADY DECIDED WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THAT WITH THE COUNCIL. 
          RULES OF PROCEDURE WAS A MAJORITY. 
          I'M FINE WITH YOUR SUGGESTION. 
          FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER ISSUES? ALRIGHT, WELL THEN I WILL, UNLESS I HEAR ANYTHING ELSE, I WILL UH, LOOK INTO THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION AND OVERVIEW SITE AUTHORITY BY COUNSEL AND ALSO ADDING IN A, SOMEWHERE IN THE RULES IF APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, OR IF THERE'S A GOOD PLACE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DECLARING AN EMERGENCY AND PASSING AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE ORDINANCE WILL COME BACK WHEN? THE PRE RULES OF PROCEDURES? YEAH, I THINK WE DO IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME. 
          I DON'T HAVE NO REASON TO DO IT SEPARATELY, SO, UM, AND IT WON'T BE IN TWO WEEKS, SO IT'D PROBABLY BE IN A MONTH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, 
          [3.c. Discussion/possible action regarding ideas for future meetings/agenda items. ]
ITEM C, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING IDEAS FOR FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS. DID YOU HAVE THAT ONE THAT YOU WERE GONNA DISCUSS WITH ME THAT ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE HOURS WORTH, RIGHT. 
          STILL THE TWO AND FOUR RULE TODAY? THAT'S TRUE. 
          THAT'S 
          [5. ADJOURNMENT]
TRUE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          HEARING NOTHING ELSE, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. 
          ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO JOIN ME ON THE 20TH IN PRESCOTT. 
          PRESCOTT? LET ME KNOW. 
          I.
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