* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. THANK YOU, JOE. [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE] [00:00:02] OKAY. WE ALL HERE? OKAY. WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO PLEDGE OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LITERACY AND JUSTICE. BRAW. OKAY. JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE, IF YOU WILL. I. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [2. ROLL CALL/MOMENT OF ART] OKAY. MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR JALO. HERE, VICE MAYOR PLU. PRESENT. COUNCILOR DUNN. HERE. COUNCILOR FOLTZ. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FURMAN. HERE. COUNCILOR KINSELLA. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FAF HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND ITEM TWO, MOMENT OF ART. NANCY, I KNOW YOU HAVE SOMEBODY REALLY SPECIAL TO ME THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, SPEAKING TODAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS MARCH'S WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH. AND IT'S THE PERFECT MONTH TO CELEBRATE SUSAN CLEAVER. UM, I AM HONORED TO CELEBRATE HER LEGACY TODAY. SHE IS ONE OF THE MOST ACCOMPLISHED SCULPTURES IN THE AMERICAN WEST. SUSAN IS A MASTER OF HER MEDIUM WHO HAS EARNED GOLD, SILVER, AND BRONZE AWARDS WITH MORE THAN 200 SCULPTURES TO HER NAME. MANY ARE ON DISPLAY IN MUSEUMS THROUGHOUT THE WEST AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY. HOW FORTUNATE WE ARE THAT SHE HAS BEEN AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR ART COMMUNITY. FOR OVER 50 YEARS, SUSAN HAS BEEN ON AN INCREDIBLE JOURNEY RECOGNIZED BY THE ART WORLD, WHICH INCLUDES CURATORS, GALLERIES, ART PUBLICATIONS, AND INSTITUTIONS. HER BRONZE SCULPTURES ARE INSPIRED BY HER TIME WITH THE NORTH AMERICAN CULTURES AS WELL AS HER COWGIRL EXPERIENCES. SHE SO BEAUTIFULLY COMMUNICATES WHAT BEING IN TOUCH WITH LIVING CULTURES AND THEIR HISTORY CAN SYMBOLIZE AND PERSONIFY. SUSAN STARTED AS A PAINTER, TAUGHT AT THE SEDONA ARTS CENTER, WAS ON THE CITY OF SEDONAS FIRST ARTS COMMISSION, AND SHE WAS ALSO ON THE ART AND PUBLIC PLACES COMMITTEE FOR 16 YEARS. HER NUMEROUS SCULPTURES ADORNED MANY OF OUR PUBLIC SPACES. HER MOST ICONIC PIECE, WHICH WE ALL KNOW IS HER MONUMENTAL 10 FOOT SEDONA SCHLEY INSTALLED AT THE LIBRARY. AND THIS WAS AWARDED TO HER BY THE CITY IN 1993 AT SEDONA MEDICAL CENTER. SUSAN GENEROUSLY VOLUNTEERED TEACHING RECOVERING CANCER PATIENTS HOW TO SCULPT. EACH WOMAN CREATED THEIR OWN PIECE USING SUSAN'S CHANGING WOMAN'S SCULPTURE AS INSPIRATION. HER MOST RECENT ACCOMPLISHMENT, WHICH WE ALSO ALL KNOW, WAS THIS PAST DECEMBER WHEN HER LARGER THAN LIFE SIZE MONUMENTS OF THE HISTORIC PUEBLO POTTERS, MARIA AND JULIAN MARTINEZ WERE INSTALLED IN THE CANYON DRIVE ROUNDABOUT. FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS, HER WORK HAS BEEN REPRESENTED AT MOUNTAIN TRAILS GALLERY IN ALKI, A LITTLE UNKNOWN FACT. INSIDE EACH OF HER ARMATURES, SUSAN ATTACHES A CLAY HEART AS INTEGRAL TO THE SCULPTURE'S ESSENCE, ALWAYS CELEBRATING LIFE AND THE GRATITUDE THAT SHE FEELS, ESPECIALLY FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA, HER TRUE HOME THAT GAVE HER HER FIRST CHANCE. THIS PAST NOVEMBER, SUSAN RECEIVED A LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD, UM, FOR THE MAYOR'S ARTS AWARDS. AND THE FOLLOWING VIDEO THAT WE ARE GOING TO, UM, WATCH ARE EXCERPTS FROM THE INTERVIEW I HAD WITH HER IN HER STUDIO. AND THIS WAS FILMED BY BRIAN REINHARDT. SO PLEASE SIT BACK, ENJOY, AND LEARN MORE ABOUT SUSAN'S JOURNEY IN HER OWN WORDS. I AM SUSAN CLE AND I MOVED TO SEDONA IN 69, WHICH WAS 50 YEARS. AND IT WAS A REALLY SMALL LITTLE TOWN THEN, AND I LOVED IT. UH, I LIVED IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND GREW UP THERE. MY GRANDPARENTS WERE RANCHERS IN ORANGE COUNTY, SO I ALWAYS LOVED TO PAINT AS A CHILD. I PAINTED A LOT. AND, UH, ONE POSTER CONTEST IN SCHOOL, IN GRADE SCHOOL, GOT TO GO TO LAGUNA ART FESTIVAL AND, UH, BE IN THE CHILD, UH, SECTION [00:05:01] OF THE ART FESTIVAL. AND I WON A BLUE RIBBON, SO THAT WAS ENCOURAGING. UM, SO MOVING TO SEDONA WAS SUCH A TREAT AFTER SMOGGY CALIFORNIA. AND ONE THING I DID, UH, WHEN I MOVED HERE, THE FIRST THING I DID WAS SIGN UP FOR AN ART CLASS AT THE ART CENTER. AND, UH, THAT I MET ALL KINDS OF GREAT LADIES AND THAT REALLY STARTED ME OUT ON THE RIGHT FOOT. SO, UH, SEDONAS BEEN GOOD TO ME, REALLY HAS, BUT THEN YEARS LATER I WANTED A, A GOOD JOB AND I KNEW THERE WAS A FOUNDRY HERE IN TOWN AND, UH, I KNEW IT WAS ART CASTING, HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH ART. SO I WENT AND APPLIED FOR A JOB. AND THE OWNER HAD NEVER HIRED WOMEN BEFORE. HE DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY THAT WASN'T A MAN . SO ANYWAY, HE, UH, FINALLY HIRED ME. I WENT BACK THREE TIMES AND HE TRIED EVERY EXCUSE HE COULD. UM, THERE'S ONLY ONE BATHROOM, AND I SAID, I DON'T CARE IF THE DOOR LOCKS FINE. SO, UH, HE FINALLY SAID, WELL, WE'LL TRY YOU OUT FOR A MONTH. AND I ENDED UP WORKING THERE FOR NINE YEARS AND HE DID HIRE SOME OTHER WOMEN TOO, FOUND THAT WOMEN COULD DO IT JUST FINE. HE THOUGHT IT WAS TOO HEAVY. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE LEARNED TO LIFT HEAVY THINGS. AND, UH, SO I DIDN'T REALLY SCULPT FOR A COUPLE YEARS. AND, UM, A LOT OF THE GUYS THAT WORKED THERE WERE ALL SCULPTURE STUDENTS FROM NAU AND THEY ENCOURAGED ME TO START MAKING SOMETHING . AND THEY ENCOURAGED ME TO TAKE A CLASS AT NAU, WHICH I DID TWO DAYS A WEEK. AND IT WAS ANATOMY FOR SCULPTORS AND THAT WAS A BIG HELP, REALLY BIG HELP. UM, SO THE MEN THAT OWNED THIS, THE FOUNDRY WAS REALLY NICE ABOUT LETTING US USE THE FOUNDRY FOR OUR OWN PIECES AND GO AHEAD AND CAST OUR OWN BRONZES, BUT WE JUST HAD TO PAY FOR THE MATERIALS. SO THAT WAS A GREAT START BECAUSE ARTISTS HAVE A HARD TIME COMING UP WITH THE MONEY FOR CASTING 'CAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE. A LOT OF OUR BIG NAME COWBOY ARTISTS OF AMERICA USE THE LAUNDRY, INCLUDING LOCAL JOE BIELER. SO I GOT TO WORK ON ALL THESE GREAT ARTISTS' WORK, AND THEY COME IN THE WAX ROOM WHERE I WORKED AND TELL ME LITTLE TRICKS OF THE TRADE. IT WAS A GREAT EDUCATION AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT. UH, IT WAS THE BEST. SO ALL THAT WAS A WHOLE NEW WORLD TO ME, AND I LOVED IT 'CAUSE I ALWAYS LOVED WESTERN ART AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT. AND I HAD HORSES AT HOME AT THAT TIME, AND SO I COULD SCULPT HORSES BECAUSE I KNOW EVERY PART OF A HORSE FROM BRUSHING 'EM AND CLEANING 'EM. SO, UM, IT ALL JUST FELL INTO PLACE. IT REALLY DID. AND MY TIME, WHICH I HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT, UM, BEING AN INDIAN TRADER AT MARBLE CANYON, THAT CAME INTO PLAY TOO WHEN I STARTED SCULPTING BECAUSE I KNEW SO MANY NAVAJO FRIENDS. MY GRANDCHILDREN ARE HALF NAVAJO AND THEY MODELED FOR ME. AND IT JUST IS AMAZING HOW IT ALL HAPPENED BECAUSE I, I KNEW ALL THESE GREAT NAVAJO FRIENDS AND I ALSO KNEW, UM, HOW TO DO THE FOUNDRY PART AND IT ALL CAME TOGETHER. SO, UM, WHEN I WAS STILL WORKING AT THE FOUNDRY, I TOOK A CLASS FROM KEN OTTINGER AT THE SEDONA ART CENTER. I WANTED TO SCULPT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO START. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO BUILD THE ARMATURE, SO I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE GREAT. AND IT WAS AT NIGHT, SO I COULD STILL WORK DURING THE DAY AND TAKE HIS CLASS AT NIGHT. SO I DID THAT MAYBE THREE OR FOUR YEARS, I'M NOT SURE. AND IT WAS GREAT. IT WAS IN THE POTTERY ROOM. EVERYBODY COULD LEAVE THEIR SCULPTURES THERE, NOT HAVE TO TAKE 'EM BACK AND FORTH. SO ANYWAY, AFTER FOUR YEARS OR SO, UM, KEN ASKED ME TO TAKE OVER THE CLASS. HE WAS TIRED OF TEACHING. SO I DID. AND THEN I TAUGHT THERE FOR TWO NIGHTS A WEEK FOR FIVE YEARS. AND THEN AFTER THAT, I STILL WOULD TEACH, UH, CLASSES ONCE IN A WHILE AT THE ART CENTER AND THAT OFF AND ON FOR 15 YEARS WHEN SEDONA BECAME A CITY, I WAS ON THE FIRST, UH, ARTS COMMISSION. AND, UH, THAT WAS INTERESTING. I LOVED IT. IT WAS GREAT. AND THEN AFTER THAT I JOINED ART AND PUBLIC PLACES COMMITTEE AND WE REALLY GOT A LOT OF THINGS DONE. WE PLACE MANY SCULPTURES AROUND TOWN, SO IT WAS A GOOD EXPERIENCE. I LOVE PUBLIC ART AND I THINK IT JUST REALLY ENHANCES OUR CITY. SO I WAS ON ART AND PUBLIC PLACES COMMITTEE FOR 16 YEARS. SO SEDONA SCHLEY WAS A BIG EVENT IN MY LIFE. UM, THERE WAS A COMPETITION THAT THE RED ROCKS ARTS [00:10:01] COUNCIL PUT ON ABOUT, I THINK ABOUT EIGHT PEOPLE ENTERED THEIR MAQUETTES. AND I WAS SO LUCKY BECAUSE I WON. SO I DID KNOW LISA SCHLEY, UM, GRANDDAUGHTER. AND SO SHE MODELED FOR ME IN, IN THE DRESS I HAD AND THE SHOES. AND SHE, HER FAMILY FELT LIKE, UM, SHE WAS A LOT LIKE HER GRANDMOTHER AND LOOKED A LOT LIKE HER. AND, UH, THE ART CENTER LET ME USE THEIR ART BARN TO SCULPT HER IN. AND IT WAS A WHOLE SUMMER PROJECT. PEOPLE COME AND GO AND WATCH ME SCULPT. AND IT WAS REALLY FUN 'CAUSE A LOT OF LOCALS HAD COME IN AND VISIT WITH ME WHILE I WORKED. SO THERE, SHE STANDS IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY, BUT SEDONAS A BIG PART OF MY LIFE, REALLY. AND HER STORY TOO. I USED TO FEEL LIKE I WAS A LITTLE BIT LIKE SEDONA BECAUSE I LIVED ON THE CREEK AND I HAD KIDS PLAYING IN THE CREEK ALL DAY. AND UH, I USED TO THINK ABOUT HER. AND SO ANYWAY, THAT STARTED ME ON MY SCULPTURE CAREER AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I BECAME KNOWN FOR. I STILL LOVE THE PAINT AND MY TIME OFF FROM SCULPTING, BUT I LOVE SCULPTURE BECAUSE IT'S SO TACTILE AND, UH, WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU DO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE AN ILLUSION OF THINGS IN THE BACKGROUND OR THINGS UP FRONT, IT'S JUST WHAT IT IS. AND I GUESS I'M JUST THAT WAY SO IT WORKS FOR ME. SO TO GET TO DO A SCULPTURE FOR THE MUSEUM WAS A REAL HONOR. AND IT'S A STORY STORYTELLING COWBOY. AND, UM, TWO CHILDREN LISTENING TO HIS STORIES PIECE CALLED CHANGING WOMAN. IT'S A WOMAN WRAPPED IN A BLANKET. AND I'VE DONE THE SON PIECE THAT WAS, UH, REALLY RESEARCHED. WE HAD A ANTHROPOLOGIST FROM THE MUSEUM OF NORTHERN ARIZONA AND HE, UH, ADVISED ME ON THE CLOTHING THEY WORE AND THE JEWELRY AND ALL THAT. NOW I GET TO DO A ROUNDABOUT AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND IT'S A MARIA AND JULIAN MARTINEZ WHO WERE POTTERS AND THEY WERE A COUPLE AND THEY DID, UH, BEAUTIFUL WORK TOGETHER. THEY INVENTED THE BLACK ON BLACK POTTERY THAT SO FAMOUS. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AN ARTIST, ALWAYS WANTED TO BE AN ARTIST. AND, UH, MY DREAM HAS COME TRUE. I'M SO BLESSED AND SO LUCKY THAT I CAN DO THIS. DON'T SEE ANYTHING. WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT AND, UH, SOMEWHAT MAYBE STORMY NIGHT, BUT, UH, YOU ALL TOOK A CHANCE AND CAME AND I'M SO HAPPY. BUT, UM, ANYWAY, I WANTED TO THANK, UH, NANCY LATTANZI. IT'S BEEN SUCH A BIG HELP AND SUCH A GREAT PERSON AND BRIAN, WHO, UH, PUT TOGETHER THIS WONDERFUL LITTLE, UH, FILM. AND I WANNA THANK SEDONA AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S BEEN MY BEST FRIEND. IT'S REALLY HELPED ME THROUGH AND MADE ME, UH, APPRECIATE ART AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO, UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. THANK YOU, SUSAN. THANK YOU, SUSAN. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TODAY AND I APPRECIATE SEEING YOUR ARTWORK AT THE ROUNDABOUT THAT I PASS THREE OR FOUR TIMES A DAY AND I FORGOT TO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WELL, THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU, . THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANKS. [3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE] OKAY, ITEM THREE CONSENT ITEMS. UH, THIS IS OPPORTUNITY WHERE, UH, THE COUNCIL, THE, UH, STAFF OR THE COMMUNITY HAS AN INTEREST OF PULLING AN ITEM. AND I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE FIVE, UH, 3G TODAY. YES, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM 3G, MAYOR, BECAUSE I'M AWARE OF, UH, SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO IT. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OKAY. SO CAN I HAVE, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT, UH, WANNA BE PULLED? YES, I THREE I PLEASE. THREE I. OKAY. SO THEN CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR, UH, THREE A TO F, INCLUDING H? YES. I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE. A, B, C, D, E, F, AND H. SECOND. SECOND, SECOND BY BRIAN. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AND ANY OPPOSED? POSED [3.g. AB 3203 Approval of a contract amendment for professional services with Huitt-Zollars for the SIM-11m Dry Creek Shared Use Path Improvements in the amount of $13,900 ($113,600 New Total Contract Value).] NONE. OKAY, SO LET'S GO WITH G FIRST. UH, KATHY? YES, I'M AWARE. THIS IS THE ITEM REGARDING, UM, THE SHARED USE PATH FOR SIM 11 DRY CREEK ROAD. UH, AND THIS IS A CONTRACT FOR IMPROVEMENT SEEN AMOUNT OF $13,900. UM, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE FILLED OUT A CARD YET, BUT [00:15:01] PERHAPS THEY COULD COME TO THE MIC AND SPEAK AND THEN FILL OUT THEIR CARD IF THEY HAVE IT. DIANA, YOU'RE WELCOME TO JUST TO COME UP TO THE MIC. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS DIANA NICHOLS. I'M A LOCAL HERE IN WEST SEDONA. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR TIME FOR OUR CITY, EACH OF YOU. I KNOW YOU ALL WORK HARD. UM, I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY NEIGHBORS, UH, IN KACHINA SUBDIVISION. AND WE HAVE A CONCERN FOR SAFETY, UH, NOT JUST FOR OURSELVES, BUT ALSO FOR THE CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES THAT ATTEND SCHOOL AT THEONA CHARTER SCHOOL. UM, AND I'M GONNA READ YOU A, A LITTLE BLIP. IT'S A COMBINATION OF EMAILS FROM OUR, UM, MY NEIGHBORS IN THE KACHINA SUBDIVISION. SO CAN YOU, YOUR MICROPHONE UP A LITTLE BIT? CAN YOU HEAR ME BETTER NOW? PERFECT. MY APOLOGIES. UH, SO WE'RE HOPEFUL TO BE GIVEN BACK THE LEFT HAND TURN LANE, UH, ON DRY CREEK ROAD INTO THE KACHINA SUBDIVISION. UH, WE'RE HOPEFUL FOR THIS BECAUSE, UH, OF TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND DRIVERS HEADING NORTH ON DRY CREEK ROAD GO FAR TOO FAST. UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT NOT TOO LONG AGO, UH, WITH SOME BAD RESULTS. UH, SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS, THEY'VE BEEN REAR-ENDED TWICE WAITING TO TURN INTO THE KACHINA SUBDIVISION. AND YOU ALL MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THAT THERE IS JUST ONE ENTRY POINT INTO THE KACHINA SUBDIVISION. THERE IS NO, UH, ACTUAL INGRESS EGRESS, UH, JUST INGRESS AS IT WERE. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BIKE LANE ISN'T ALSO, ISN'T SAFE AS DRIVERS TRY TO PASS BY, BY ENCROACHING INTO THE BIKE LANE. UH, SO THERE IS A THIRD PARTY OF POTENTIAL SAFETY ISSUES OF NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN AND FAMILY, WHETHER THEY'RE WALKING TO THE SCHOOL OR IN CARS OR NEIGHBORS TRYING TO GET HOME, BUT ALSO PEOPLE IN THE BIKE LANE. UM, IT'S A SAFETY H HAZARD. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT QUITE CERTAIN WHY THE CITY TOOK IT AWAY, UH, BUT THERE WAS SOME COMMENTARY THAT MAYBE IT WOULD BE COMING BACK. SO WE'RE SUPER HAPPY TO SEE IT BEING DISCUSSED TONIGHT. UM, SO I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF ALL RESIDENTS IN KACHINA SUBDIVISION TO SAY, PLEASE, PLEASE GIVE IT BACK FOR SAFETY REASONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DIANA. OKAY, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE? UH, NO. ANDY, DID YOU WANT TO, KURT, BECAUSE THIS WAS PULLED FROM CONSENTS, WE CAN DISCUSS IT BRIEFLY, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. UH, SO ANDY, DO, DO YOU WANT JUST ADDRESS HOW THE DESIGN, UH, ADDRESSES THE POINTS THAT WERE RAISED ABOUT THE LEFT HAND TURN, PLEASE? YEAH, SO WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING WITH THIS ITEM IS THE, UM, ADDITION OF SCOPE TO THE, THE DESIGN CONTRACT TO ALLOW CONSIDERATION AND DESIGN OF ADDING BACK THE, THE LEFT TURN LANE THAT, THAT SHE'S, UH, SPEAKING TO. SO IT WILL BE IN THE DESIGN. THAT'S THE EXPECTATION. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, KURT, DO YOU WANT TO, SHOULD I HOLD THIS FOR THE NEXT, UH, ITEM SO WE CAN GO OVER I AND, OR DO WE, DO WE NEED TO DO THEM SEPARATELY? THEY'RE, THEY'RE VOTED ON SEPARATELY NOW, MA'AM. OKAY. OKAY. SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR GI WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 3G, WHICH IS AB 3 2 0 3 FOR THE APPROVAL OF A CONTRACT AMENDMENT FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WITH WHIS. I HOPE I PRONOUNCED THAT RIGHT. FOR THE SIM 11 DRY CREEK SHARED USE PATH IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $13,900. SECOND. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE. [3.i. AB 3198 Approval for adoption of a new Fund Balance & Reserves Policy, superseding the Policy adopted on June 27, 2023.] WE'LL MOVE ON TO AYE. SO VICE MAYOR, DID YOU WANT TO, UH, ADDRESS THIS IN ANY WAY? NO, I JUST WANTED BARBARA TO SPEAK TO IT. OKAY. BARBARA. HI. YOU HAVE A MICROPHONE THERE, RIGHT? I DO. YOU COULD DO THAT THERE IF YOU WANT. WHATEVER YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH. ALL RIGHT. I'LL STAY HERE. UM, IS IT WORKING? YEP. CAN'T TELL WHEN YOU'RE TALKING INTO IT. UM, THIS IS AN UPDATE TO OUR FUND BALANCE AND RESERVE POLICY AND IT, IT'S REALLY UPDATING THE LEVELS OF RESERVES ACCORDING TO BEST PRACTICES AND THE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND THE CITY OF SEDONA. UM, SOME OF THE MOST OBVIOUS CHANGES ARE IN THE CAPITAL RESERVE REQUIREMENT. WE HAVE A, A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND. AND IN THAT FUND, OUR PREVIOUS POLICY REQUIRED THAT WE TAKE THE AVERAGE TOTAL SPEND OF THE NEXT THREE YEARS FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS AND RESERVE THAT, UM, THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS THAT EVERY YEAR WE WERE DOUBLE FUNDING [00:20:01] ALL OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE ONLY BUDGETED OUR SYSTEM THAT WE HAD ONLY ALLOWED US TO BUDGET THREE YEARS OF CAPITAL. SO EVERYTHING WE WANTED TO DO WAS KIND OF IN THOSE THREE YEARS. UM, SINCE THE GENERAL FUND IS ACTUALLY WHERE MOST OF THE MONEY FOR OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS COMES FROM, WHAT I INCLUDED IN THE GENERAL FUND SECTION OF THE RESERVE, WHICH IS ON PACKET PAGE 1 56, IS A CAPITAL RESERVE THAT THE COUNCIL MAY, AT ITS DISCRETION ESTABLISHED FOR THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS EXPENDITURES. 'CAUSE WE'RE ALREADY ASSIGNING THAT MONEY ANNUALLY IN OUR BUDGET. WHAT THE CAPITAL RESERVE WOULD ALLOW FOR IS IF WE WANNA SAY, WE KNOW WE WANT TO DO X PROJECT NOT NEXT YEAR, BUT THE YEAR AFTER. SO WE'RE GONNA PUT SOME MONEY INTO IT NOW, AND THEN NEXT YEAR WE'RE GONNA PUT MORE MONEY INTO IT TO BE PREPARED FOR A SPECIFIC PROJECT. BUT IN GENERAL, THERE'S NOT A BEST PRACTICE AND I DON'T FEEL THAT THERE'S A BENEFIT TO REALLY ESSENTIALLY DOUBLE FUNDING OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS. I THINK IT DOES REQUIRE LONG-TERM PLANNING AND CONSIDERATION, BUT WE WILL BE BRINGING YOU THIS YEAR, A 10 YEAR CAPITAL BUDGET AND A 10 YEAR FORECAST FOR OPERATIONS. AND FROM THERE, I THINK IT IS EASIER TO SET A CAPITAL RESERVE THAT MORE FITS THE CITY'S NEEDS THAN JUST BEING KIND OF A LET'S RESERVE EVERYTHING WE CAN JUST IN CASE. OKAY. AND THAT AND MARIN COUNCIL, UM, ANNETTE ICKER, CITY MANAGER, UM, IN OUR BUDGET PREPARATIONS, WHICH WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU AT THE END OF APRIL. UM, BARBARA, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, ANDY DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, AND OUR BUDGET ANALYST, UM, UH, STERLING, WE ALL TALKED ABOUT, UM, WHAT SHOULD WE PUT INTO THIS PROPOSED BUDGET PENDING THIS DECISION BY THE COUNCIL AS LIKE A PHASING IN OF THIS NEW POLICY. AND SO RIGHT NOW IT'S AT, UH, 50% RESERVE INSTEAD OF THE A HUNDRED PERCENT LEVEL THAT WAS AT BEFORE. SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT. OKAY. WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER ANOTHER BLABER? SO THIS WILL AUTOMATICALLY REDUCE OUR BUDGET. UM, IT DOESN'T RE REDUCE THE BUDGET. WHAT IT REDUCES IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE IN A, IN A RESERVE THAT ISN'T AVAILABLE FOR COUNCIL TO ALLOCATE TO OTHER THINGS IN THE BUDGET. SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE BUDGET DIRECTLY, IT JUST AFFECTS THE AVAILABLE FUNDS FOR THE BUDGET. CORRECT. IN TOTAL. BUT YOUR CAPITAL BUDGET WILL LOOK SMALLER. IT'LL BE SMALLER. RIGHT, RIGHT. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THERE, BUT WE WON'T HAVE TO HAVE AS MUCH MONEY IN THE CAPITAL FUND TO COVER THIS A HUNDRED PERCENT RESERVE, BASICALLY. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I I LOVE THE IDEA OF 10 YEARS, BUT, UH, CAPITAL SO WE CAN REALLY SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT FOR A WHILE, SO THANK YOU. YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. REALLY WE NEED TO THANK STERLING WEST FOR IMPLEMENTING THE NEW BUDGET SOFTWARE. HE'S THE GREATEST. SO, OKAY. UH, YEP. BRIAN, THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, QUESTION FOR BARBARA AND ANNETTE, JUST YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION OF THE SEDONA RESERVE POLICY AS IT RELATES TO THE GENERAL FUND IN PARTICULAR, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCES FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY, CAN YOU CHARACTERIZE, YOU KNOW, THE DEGREE TO WHICH YOU WOULD SAY, GEE, UH, WE HAVE CONSERVATIVE POLICIES, WE'RE WELL FUNDED, WE'RE VERY SECURE, THAT SORT OF THING? ABSOLUTELY. UM, BEST PRACTICE AND THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION, GFOA OF THE US AND CANADA, UM, PROVIDES BEST PRACTICES FOR, FOR CITIES AND COUNTIES AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT SORT OF GIVE YOU A GUIDELINE. AND THE MINIMUM THAT THEY RECOMMEND FOR AN OPERATING RESERVE IS 16% OR TWO MONTHS OF OPERATIONS. BASICALLY, IF THERE'S A NATURAL DISASTER OR SOMETHING THAT PREVENTS REVENUE FROM COMING INTO THE CITY, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO OPERATE FOR TWO MONTHS WHILE WHATEVER'S GOING ON GETS RESOLVED. IN THE CASE OF MOST OF THE CITIES THAT THEY SPEAK TO AND, AND SCHOOLS AND COUNTIES, THEY'RE LOOKING AT PROPERTY TAX REVENUE AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, A TWO MONTH DELAY, YOU'LL STILL GET ALL OF THE MONEY. IN THE CASE OF SEDONA, BECAUSE WE DON'T LEVY A PROPERTY TAX, WE'RE CONSIDER A LITTLE RISKIER AS FAR AS OUR REVENUE. [00:25:01] IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T GET ENOUGH REVENUE, WE HAVE MORE REVENUE RIGHT NOW THAN WE NEED FOR OPERATIONS, WHICH IS A GREAT PLACE TO BE. HOWEVER, LIKE WITH THE PANDEMIC, EVEN THOUGH WE CAME BACK REALLY QUICKLY AND DID REALLY WELL, THERE WERE MONTHS WHERE DURING THE LOCKDOWN WE DIDN'T SEE THE LEVEL OF SALES AND BED TAX THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY SEE. AND THAT MONEY DOESN'T COME BACK TO US LATER, LIKE PROPERTY TAX. SO IN THAT CASE, GFOA RECOMMENDS THAT YOU SORT OF ANALYZE THE RISK AND YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE BEST FOR YOUR PARTICULAR CITY. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO STAY WITH WHAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS A 30%, IT'S ABOUT THREE AND A HALF MONTHS OF RESERVES BECAUSE THAT REALLY DOES PROVIDE THE CITY SORT OF A CUSHION FOR, YOU KNOW, IF THINGS ARE NOT GREAT, WE'VE GOT THIS AVAILABLE EMERGENCY RESERVE THAT CAN HOLD US FOR A FULL QUARTER AND A LITTLE, WHICH IN ALL LIKELIHOOD AT THAT POINT WE WOULD START TO SEE A RECOVERY. GOOD. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY. CAN I HAVE AN ITEM, A MOTION FOR ITEM I I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM THREE. AYE SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AND THE OPPOSED, UNANIMOUS. OKAY. UH, APPOINTMENTS, WE HAVE NONE. [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS] SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MYSELF, THE COUNCIL, UH, CITY MANAGER OR CITY ASSIGNMENTS. UH, DEREK. SO SEDONA RECYCLES HAD ITS ANNUAL MEETING, UM, AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THEIR UPCOMING NEEDS FOR EQUIPMENT THAT'S WEARING OUT. SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE HEARING FROM THEM DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. UM, THEY ALSO JUST WANTED TO MAKE VERY CLEAR HOW MUCH THEY APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT THEY'VE BEEN GETTING FROM THE CITY, AND THEY'RE HOPING OBVIOUSLY TO SEE THAT RELATIONSHIP CONTINUE. GREAT. THANK YOU PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. I SPOKE, UH, THE LAST MEETING, BUT WE HAVE MORE DETAILS, SO I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYONE THAT SATURDAY, MARCH 22 IS WORLD WATER DAY 9:00 AM TO 1:00 PM ARE THE HOURS AT SLIDE ROCK STATE PARK? THE PARTNERS, THE SPONSORS ARE THE CITY OF SEDONA, THE OAK CREEK WATERSHED COUNCIL AND ARIZONA WATER COMPANY. AND HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE. I'LL BE THERE MANNING THE, UH, CPAC, THE CP W BOOTH, SO. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. KATHY, ANYTHING? BRIAN, MELISSA, VICE MAYOR. JUST SAY THAT, UH, UNFORTUNATELY THE MAD ORTIZ POTTERY SHOW HAD TO BE RESCHEDULED BECAUSE OF INCLEMENT WEATHER LAST WEEKEND FOR THE SADONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY. SO IT WILL BE RESCHEDULED AND YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUY THIS FABULOUS POTTERY IN THE NEAR FUTURE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THE ST. PATRICK'S DAY PARADE? WHY DID YOU ANNOUNCE THE ST. PATRICK'S DAY PARADE? JUST A REMINDER TO EVERYBODY THAT THE ST PATRICK'S DAY PARADE IS HAPPENING, UH, AND IT'S SUPPOSEDLY RAIN OR SHINE THIS COMING SATURDAY WITH A KICKOFF AT, UH, 10:00 AM IS A KICKOFF, I BELIEVE, UH, UP ON JORDAN ROAD. SO EVERYBODY WEAR YOUR GREEN AND SHOW UP AND YOUR RAINCOATS, POSSIBLY YOUR YEAH, GREEN UMBRELLAS GREAT GREEN UMBRELLA, DAVE. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. OKAY. UH, YESTERDAY I HAD THE UNIQUE EXPERIENCE OF, UH, UH, MEETING MAYOR BARBER FROM JEROME. AND SHE'S A, A WONDERFUL WOMAN. SHE'S BORN AND RAISED IN JEROME, AND WE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET AFTER ACTUALLY MEETING THE WEEK BEFORE OR THE WEEK AND A HALF BEFORE AT THE MAYOR'S FORUM. AND, UH, IN PRESCOTT. I WANTED TO MEET WITH HER AND GET TO KNOW HOW SHE'S BEING IMPACTED BY SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND SHE HAD A LOT TO SHARE. SO, UH, THAT WAS A VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE, UH, FOR ME AS WELL. THAT'S ONE MORE MAYOR THAT I REALLY AM GETTING TO KNOW BETTER. AND WORKING TOGETHER AS FIVE MAYORS IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING. UH, TODAY, UH, ANNETTE AND I WENT TO THE BY COUNTY, UH, TWO SUPERVISORS. UH, DISTRICT THREE. DISTRICT TWO, DISTRICT THREE, UH, HELD A, AN EVENT FOR THE FIVE, UH, MAYORS AND MANAGERS. AND UH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO QUARTERLY AND IT WAS VERY EYE-OPENING AND THAT, UH, SHE HAS A FEW THINGS TO REPORT ON THAT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I THINK PRIMARILY TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT, UM, THE DIFF THE FIRE DISTRICTS THAT COVER, UM, THE VERDE VALLEY REGION, THIS AREA, UM, ARE WORKING TOGETHER ON A COMMUNITY, UM, RISK REDUCTION PLAN, WHICH IS LIKE WILDFIRE MITIGATION PLAN FOR THE REGION, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES SEDONA. UM, AND SO THAT [00:30:01] WAS GREAT TO HEAR, UM, ON THAT FRONT. UM, AS FOR HERE LOCALLY TO SEDONA, AS YOU KNOW, THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT IS SPONSORING A COMMUNITY FORUM APRIL 2ND AT THE SEDONA PERFORMING ART CENTER, FOUR O'CLOCK. WE'LL BE PARTICIPATING ALONG WITH OTHER FIRE RELATED AGENCIES AND A PS TO GIVE, UM, OUR RESIDENTS OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN AND ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT WILDFIRE PREPAREDNESS, UM, FROM THE CITY SPECIFIC SIDE OF THINGS. UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, SOME WORKSHOPS HAPPENING AT THE LIBRARY THROUGH OUR SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT, MARCH 24TH AND 25TH ON FIREWISE SPECIFICALLY. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO, THROUGH A VARIETY OF WAYS, UM, GET THE WORD OUT AND DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES OUT FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO GET EDUCATED. I'M ALSO AWARE THAT I BELIEVE WEDNESDAY, NO, TOMORROW, CORRECT. HOLD ON THE 13TH. THAT'S A TWO DAYS. THURSDAY. THURSDAY, EXCUSE ME. ON THE 13TH. SEDONA WOMEN IS SPONSORING ALSO WILDFIRE PREPAREDNESS OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY AT ST. LUKE'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH. SO, UM, ST. ANDREW'S, ST. ANDREW'S, I'M SORRY, ST. ANDREW'S. MY APOLOGIES, STILL LEARNING THE NAMES OF ALL THE CHURCHES. . UM, YEAH, SO THERE IS A LOT OF THAT GOING ON, BUT THE WORK BEING DONE BY THE TWO FIRE DISTRICTS THAT WE LEARNED ABOUT TODAY IS SPECIFICALLY, UM, AS WELL LINKED TO A STATEWIDE EFFORT. AND THE GENTLEMAN FROM, UM, THE VERDE FIRE DISTRICT, IS THAT THE NAME OF IT? VERDE? YEAH, HE'S NOW THE PRESIDENT OF THE BIG ASSOCIATION. BUT ANYWAY, IT'S INTENDED TO WORK WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANIES TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND RECOGNIZE ALL THE WORK THAT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE DOING FOR FIRE MITIGATION TO TRY TO KEEP THEIR HOUSE INSURANCE OR, UM, STOP IT FROM GOING UP BECAUSE IT TURNS OUT THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE USING OLD DATA, OLD MAPS, OLD AERIALS, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO, UM, THERE IS A BIG EFFORT HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, AT THE LEVEL ABOVE US AS WELL TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS, DID I COVER IT ALL? I THINK THERE WAS A LOT. THAT'S IT'S PLENTY, BUT THANK YOU. OKAY. IT WAS, IT WAS VERY EYEOPENING. IT, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING THE REPORT. OKAY. CAN I JUST MENTION THAT THE SEDONA WOMEN MEETING ON THURSDAY AT ST. ANDREW'S BEGINS AT 10 O'CLOCK. IT'S FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, SO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO ATTEND MAY ATTEND. OKAY. AND THEN KURT, DID YOU WANT TO GIVE THE REPORT FOR THE EXECUTIVE SESSION? THERE'S NOTHING TO REPORT. THANK YOU. PERFECTLY FINE. THANK [6. PUBLIC FORUM] YOU. OKAY. ITEM SIX, PUBLIC FORUM IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC FORUM. AS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA, NOW IS THE TIME. I HAVE ONE CARD FROM, UH, DEBORAH WILKIE. I WANNA COME UP AND SPEAK YOU, YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. CLOCK IT ON THE WALL AND UH, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR. MY NAME IS DEBORAH WILKE. THIS IS MY THIRD TIME HERE TO TALK ABOUT A VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM AT SOLDIER PASS TRAIL. I DECIDED TO COME BACK BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET ANY RESPONSE FROM ANYONE AND I NEED SOME HELP. I WAS HOPING TO GET CITY SUPPORT ON THIS ISSUE TO COME UP WITH A WAY FOR ME TO CONTINUE MY MUCH NEEDED SERVICE, HELPING OUR VISITORS AND HELP THE SOLDIER PASS NEIGHBORHOOD. I FEEL SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE BECAUSE OF THE THOUSANDS OF VEHICLES THAT DRIVE DOWN TO THE TRAILHEAD EVERY DAY WHEN THE GATE IS CLOSED. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THIS WAY. THERE IS AN IMMEDIATE SOLUTION. I'M GONNA CUT MOST OF THIS OUT 'CAUSE I HAVE MORE THAN THREE MINUTES. UM, I STARTED HELPING OUR VISITORS TWO YEARS BEFORE THE CITY SHUTTLE EVEN EXISTED. SO WHEN THE SHUTTLE STARTED, I WORKED ONLY MONDAY, TUESDAY, AND WEDNESDAY FOR A YEAR AND A HALF AS TO NOT UPSET THEIR NEW PROGRAM. THEN IT BECAME SO BUSY, THEY WERE OVERWHELMED. PEOPLE STARTED CALLING ME FOR RIDES BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE WRITING ABOUT ME ALL OVER THE INTERNET FROM WORKING THOSE THREE DAYS. THEN I STARTED HELPING THE SHUTTLE AND THEY REALLY APPRECIATE MY HELP. AND SO DO THE OFFICERS WHO PATROL THE AREA. THE SHUTTLE IS USUALLY FULL AND WITH ITS LIMITED CAPACITY, THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE THIS MORE EFFICIENT IS TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO DROP OFF AT THE TRAILHEAD. THIS REALLY HELPS IF DROPPING OFF IS ALLOWED. ONLY ONE PERSON NEEDS TO FIT ON THE SHUTTLE, WHICH HOLDS 20 OR IN MY VAN OR WALK THE MILE OR TWO. THE ELECTRIC SIGN SHOULD READ LOCAL TRAFFIC ONLY. NO PARKING ANYWHERE PAST THIS POINT AND BEYOND SOLDIER PASS OR CARRUTH AND CARRUTH OR THE IMMEDIATE SOLUTION IS TO POST SOMEONE THERE, LIKE AT BACKHOE, BEYOND WHEN THE SHUTTLE RUNS AND ONLY [00:35:01] LET LARGE GROUPS GO DOWN TO DROP OFF OR PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, RED ROCK, JEEPS, DELIVERIES AND SHUTTLES. AND THEY CAN TELL PEOPLE ABOUT THE SUNRISE TRAIL, WHICH NO ONE SEES OR OFFER INFORMATION ABOUT THE SHUTTLE PARKING. THE VOLUNTEER RANGERS MIGHT EVEN BE ABLE TO DO THIS AND IT WON'T COST THE CITY A THING. THERE IS NO REASON FOR ANYONE TO DRIVE DOWN THERE BECAUSE THE GATE IS CLOSED FOR THE NEXT FIVE WEEKS OR SOMETHING. AND IF ANYONE HERE HAS EVER BEEN DOWN THERE ON A WEEKEND OR DURING SPRING BREAK, YOU WOULD SEE THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT DRIVE TO THE TRAIL BECOME FRUSTRATED, DRIVE BACK, MISS THE SHUTTLE, OR IT'S FULL AND END UP WALKING AND WASTING AN HOUR OR MORE. THE REASON I'M HERE AGAIN, IS TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT A MESS THIS IS AND ASK WHY AREN'T WE DOING SOMETHING TO HELP OUR VISITORS ON HIKERS HAVE A GREAT EXPERIENCE INSTEAD OF A BAD ONE. I AM OFFERING TO HELP IN THIS SITUATION AND MAKE IT GREAT FOR THEM. SO I HAVEN'T WORKED SINCE MY COURT DATE ON FEBRUARY 3RD, WHICH I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT 'CAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE TIME. I TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE. I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN, EVEN THOUGH NO ONE HAS TOLD ME I CANNOT GO BACK. I NEED TO KNOW FOR SURE AND I NEED THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE HARASSING ME TO LEAVE ME ALONE. I REALLY WANT TO GET BACK TO HELPING EVERYONE. SO I HOPE I CAN GET SOME ANSWERS THIS TIME AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE AND SHOULD NOT BE IGNORED. THANK YOU, DEBORAH. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND YOUR COMMENTS. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT ITEMS? NOT ON THE AGENDA. SEEING NONE, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM. UH, ITEM SEVEN, PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS. WE HAVE NONE. [8.a. AB 3194 Discussion/possible action/direction on visitor services for the Tourism Program, and approval of a 1-year contract with the Greater Sedona Chamber of Commerce for continued operations of the Uptown Visitor Center in the amount of $351,440 for FY 2026, and the option to renew for FY 2027 in the amount of $358,892, and purchase of digital kiosks and associated costs in the amount of $115,000.] UH, ITEM EIGHT, REGULAR BUSINESS ITEM, A AB 31 94 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION AND DIRECTION ON A VISITOR, UH, VISITOR SERVICES FOR THE TOURISM PROGRAM AND APPROVAL OF A ONE YEAR CONTRACT WITH THE GREATEST SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR CONTINUED OPERATIONS OF THE UPTOWN VISIT CENTER IN THE AMOUNT OF 351,440 UH, DOLLARS FOR FY 2026 AND THE OPTION TO RENEW FOR FY 2027 IN THE AMOUNT OF, UH, 358,892 AND PURCHASED A DIGITAL KIOSK AND ASSOCIATED COSTS IN THE AMOUNT OF 115,000. OKAY, WHO MIGHT THIS BE? LAUREN, I'M GONNA START. OKAY, SO GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. TODAY WE'RE GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT TWO TOPICS. THE FIRST ONE, UM, IS THE DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE VISITOR CENTER. AND THE SECOND IS, UM, THE OPTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DIGITAL KIOSKS IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. UM, WE CAN TAKE QUESTIONS AS WE GO, UH, BUT I'LL ALSO STOP AFTER, UM, EACH OF THE TWO TOPIC ITEMS AND HAVE FOCUSED DISCUSSION AND GET DIRECTION THEN AS WELL. SO, UM, IN ADDITION, NEW GREATER SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, CEO AND PRESIDENT DAVID KEY IS WITH US TONIGHT. SO WELCOME, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. UM, AND HE'LL HELP, UH, HELP US PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE VISITOR CENTER AND THE ASSOCIATED METRICS. SO TO FRAME THIS DISCUSSION, WE'VE BEEN THINKING OF VISITOR SERVICES AS SOMETHING THAT HAS A LOT OF MOVING PARTS. UH, YOU HAVE THE CONCIERGES AT THEIR LEVEL, GIVING PEOPLE INFORMATION KIND OF ON THE GROUND FLOOR THERE. WE HAVE BOTH THE CITY AND THE CHAMBER'S WEBSITES. WE HAVE THE SEDONA SHUTTLE AND IN-ROOM VIDEOS WE HAVE BOTH VISITOR CENTERS. THAT'S THE UPTOWN VISITOR CENTER AND THE RED ROCK RANGER DISTRICT VISITOR CENTER. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE POTENTIALLY DIGITAL KIOSKS. SO WE'VE BEEN REALLY TRYING TO THINK OF IT AS AS MANY DIFFERENT THINGS. UM, ALL OF THESE WORK IN TANDEM WITH THE CITY'S MESSAGING BEING A KEY PIECE OF ALL OF THESE COGS. THIS GOES HAND IN HAND WITH OUR INITIATIVE IN THE SEDONA TOURISM PLAN THAT SAYS THE DMMO SHOULD PROVIDE A ROBUST VISITOR SERVICES STRATEGY. SO YOU ALL ASKED THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD OR THE TAB, WHICH WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS HERE TONIGHT, I THINK. YES, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. UM, YOU ASKED THEM TO LOOK INTO VISITOR SERVICES AND TO THINK ABOUT HOW ELSE WE COULD BE DOING THINGS. SO THIS LED TO MONTHS OF DISCUSSION, UM, IN 2024 THAT INCLUDED BRAINSTORMING AND A DEEP DIVE INTO THE VISITOR CENTER'S BUDGET. AND THE TAB CIRCLED AROUND TWO MAIN ITEMS. THAT IS THE UPTOWN VISITOR CENTER AND THE IMPORTANCE OF TECHNOLOGY. SO BEFORE I GET INTO THE TAZ RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU, I'M GONNA HAVE ANDREW TALK ABOUT THE VISITOR LIFECYCLE. SO AS LAUREN JUST ACKNOWLEDGED, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES TO VISITOR SERVICES, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE STAGE IN THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE. UM, THERE ARE OTHER STAGES. SO THIS IS A GRAPHIC THAT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU KNOW, I WAS USING WHEN I WAS AT TRAVEL OREGON. I'VE TALKED TO THE FOLKS AT PARKS CANADA, THEY USE IT. A LOT OF US THAT HAVE DONE SALES HAVE USED SOMETHING SIMILAR. SO THIS IS KIND OF A UBIQUITOUS CHART. [00:40:01] I LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS SPECIFIC VERSION IS ISOTOPE THREE, BUT, UM, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL RATHER SIMILAR. UM, AND I WANT QUICKLY SHOW YOU WHAT I WOULD DEFINE THE DIFFERENT STAGES AS. SO YOU GOT INSPIRE, WHICH IS WHEN SOMEBODY BEGINS TO THINK ABOUT THE DESTINATION, YOU THEN HAVE PLAN. THAT'S WHEN THEY START TO LEARN ABOUT THINGS TO DO IN THE DESTINATION. THEY START TO BOOK, WHICH IS WHEN THEY FINANCIALLY COMMIT TO THE DESTINATION, TYPICALLY THROUGH AN ANCHOR PURCHASE LIKE A HOTEL, GROUND TRANSPORTATION OR A, OR A, YOU KNOW, SIGNATURE TOUR OPERATOR. THEN THEY COME INTO THE DESTINATION, THAT'S WHEN THEY EXPERIENCE THE DESTINATION. AND THEN WHEN THEY LEAVE, THEY THEN SHARE. UM, SO ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE INSPIRED, IT'S, I STARTED THINKING ABOUT A PLACE IN OUR CASE, IT'S, THEY STARTED THINKING ABOUT SEDONA. UM, THEN THEY START TO SAY, OKAY, WELL IF I WAS TO GO THERE, WHAT WOULD I DO? THEY START GETTING EXCITED ABOUT COMING THERE. THEY START TO LEARN ABOUT THE THINGS TO DO. UM, THEN AGAIN, THEY GO TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR, THEY BOOK IT, AND THEN THEY COME AND THEY HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE. AND VISITOR SERVICE IS THE TRIP STAGE. THERE'S A LOT OF ACTORS THROUGHOUT THIS LIFECYCLE. UM, WE WOULD HOPE THAT THE DMO IS REALLY THE LEAD ON THE INSPIRATION. WE'RE THE ONES THAT REALLY AIM TO MANAGE THE REPUTATION OF SEDONA. WE WANNA BE ABLE TO CONTROL THE NARRATIVE ABOUT HOW WE WANT YOU TO EXPERIENCE THE EXPECTATIONS THAT WE SET AROUND RESPONSIBLE AND RESPECTFUL USE. WE'RE KIND OF THE TIP OF THE SPEAR. THAT'S REALLY WHAT OUR MARKETING CAMPAIGNS ARE DESIGNED TO BE. GET YOU THINK OF SEDONA. UM, THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S QUITE A FEW ACTORS THAT HELP WITH THE PLANNING STAGES. WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, OUR SCENIC SEDONA WEBSITE. THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE CHAMBERS VISIT SEDONA WEBSITE. MAYBE THEY LOOK AT LAND MANAGERS, THEY START TO LOOK AT THE TRAIL INFRASTRUCTURE. THEY START TO READ THE VISITOR GUIDES. THEY START TO LEARN ABOUT THE EXPERIENTIAL ELEMENTS. THEY START TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LOOK AT BUSINESS REVIEW WEBSITES. THOSE ARE ALL DIFFERENT PARTS OF KIND OF THE PLANNING STAGES. AND THEN OUR TEAM LEAVES DURING BOOK. WE'RE NOT ACCEPTING REVENUE. WE DON'T HAVE POINT OF SALE. THAT'S WHEN IT'S REALLY HANDED OFF TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR HOTELS. AGAIN, AIRLINES ARE A BIG ONE HERE, BUT MAYBE IT'S CAR RENTALS, UM, TO OUR OPERATORS AND THEN VISITOR SERVICES. UM, SO WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, EACH OF THESE PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SET EXPECTATIONS. THE CHALLENGE IS THAT IT'S A LOT OF DECENTRALIZED ACTORS THAT ARE THE ONES THAT ARE SHARING INFORMATION TO VISITORS. SO THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE, AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES OF HOW WE'VE GOTTEN TO THINK ABOUT VISITOR SERVICES, IT'S NOT JUST THE INFORMATION WE SHARE WHEN YOU'RE HERE. IT'S THE INFORMATION THAT'S SHARED TO YOU AND THE EXPECTATIONS THAT'S SET WITH YOU BEFORE YOU ARRIVE. SO A LOT OF THE WORK THAT WE DO TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE PRESENT INFORMATION TO GET YOU TO COME TO SEDONA SHOULD REFLECT THE SIMILAR TYPE OF INFORMATION THAT YOU GET WHEN YOU ARRIVE. AND ALLOWS US TO REALLY KIND OF CONTROL, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PRESENTATION IS THE WHAT WE WANT. AND I REALLY WOULD WILL JUST CONTINUE TO LEAN INTO THIS IDEA OF KIND OF REPUTATION MANAGEMENT, UM, IS REALLY, I THINK, A CORE OUTCOME IF WE CAN DO THIS WELL. AND I THINK WHEN WE GOT REALLY THINKING ABOUT VISITOR SERVICES OVER THE LAST MANY MONTHS, IT'S HOW DO WE REALLY WORK WITH ALL THE ACTORS WITHIN THAT VENN DIAGRAM THAT LAUREN SHOWED TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY'RE HERE, THAT'S OUR CHANCE TO REALLY DO THIS. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO GETTING THEM HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO BACK TO YOU LAUREN. OKAY. SO ALL OF THE WORK FROM THE TAB CULMINATED IN THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATION. IT STARTS WITH WHAT THEY SUPPORT AND THEN, UM, IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY RECOMMEND. I KNOW IT'S LONG, BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD. SO HERE WE GO. UM, THE TAB SUPPORTS THE DESIRE TO THINK OF VISITOR SERVICES AS MANY COMPONENTS WITH THE UPTOWN VISITOR CENTER AS JUST ONE OF THOSE COMPONENTS. THE IMPORTANCE OF THE UPTOWN VISITOR CENTER AS A PHYSICAL SPACE THAT PROVIDES VISITOR SERVICES, THE NEED TO TEST TECHNOLOGY THAT ENHANCES THE DELIVERY AND REACH OF VISITOR SERVICES IN SEDONA, BUT NOT AS A REPLACEMENT TO A VIS PHYSICAL VISITOR CENTER. THE OPTIMIZATION OF THE LAYOUT OF THE UPTOWN VISITOR CENTER AND THE IDENTIFICATION THAT THE UPTOWN VISITOR CENTER IS LEAN WITH NO OBVIOUS LINE ITEM TO DECREASE SUBSTANTIALLY. OKAY, SO THEREFORE THE TAB RECOMMENDS THE CURRENT MODEL OF CITY FUNDING 80% AND THE CHAMBER FUNDING 20% OF THE UPTOWN VISITOR CENTER BUDGET, SIMILAR TO FISCAL YEAR 2024, A TECHNOLOGY PACKAGE PACKAGE FEATURING DIGITAL KIOSKS OF NO MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. THE TESTING OF DIGITAL KIOSKS, INCLUDING MOBILE ENGAGEMENT TO DETERMINE IF THIS METHOD OF DELIVERING VISITOR SERVICES RESONATES WITH VISITORS. AND IF SO, TO CONSIDER INSTALLING ADDITIONAL DIGITAL INFORMATION KIOSK IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS. DOING SO WILL BE AN INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE FOR THE DELIVERY OF VISITOR SERVICES IN SEDONA, THE EXPANSION OF RO. THERE WE GO. THE EXPANSION OF ROBUST WORLD-CLASS INFORMATION ON THE DIGITAL INFORMATION KIOSKS TO OFFER AN UNPARALLELED VISITOR EXPERIENCE, VISITOR SERVICES EXPERIENCE, INCLUDING A CURATED TRAIL MAP TO ASSIST WITH VISITOR MANAGEMENT, RESTAURANT AND SHOPPING LISTINGS, HOTEL AND [00:45:01] EXPERIENCE LISTINGS AND BOOKING ABILITY, RED ROCK, RED ROCK PASS PURCHASE ABILITY, SEDONA SHUTTLE INFORMATION, A MOBILE APP VERSION OF THE KIOSK, AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE CHAT BOT. EASY STREAMLINED WAYS TO SEND THE INFORMATION TO A MOBILE DEVICE AND ACCESS TO NEW DATA ANALYTICS RELATED TO VISITOR ENGAGEMENT WITH THE KIOSKS. NOW I KNOW THIS WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL. UM, THE TAB WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEXT INFORMATION WASN'T LOST, BUT THEY ALSO RECOGNIZED THAT SOME OF THESE REQUIRE FUNDING IN ORDER TO COMPLETE. AND WHILE THEY WEREN'T AS CONCERNED AS WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR WHAT AND HOW, THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT JUST FROM A, UM, A CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT STANDPOINT, THAT ON THE RECORD THEY SAID, HEY, WE'VE NOTICED THAT THESE ARE SOME, SOME ARE LOW HANGING FRUIT AND SOME SOME ARE ALREADY IN PROCESS ACTUALLY. UM, BUT SOME ARE HARDER TO DO. UM, THESE ARE THINGS THAT, UH, COULD IMPROVE THE UPTOWN VISITOR CENTER. SO THEY SAID SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS MAY INCLUDE A KID FRIENDLY TABLE WITH ENGAGING CHILDREN'S ACTIVITIES, A WRAP OF THE BUILDING WINDOWS WITH THE CITY'S TOURISM PROGRAM BRANDING AND CAMPAIGNS. WE'RE ACTUALLY IN PROGRESS OF DOING THAT RIGHT NOW. AN AUDIT OF THE WRAP CARD DISPLAY, INCLUDING EASIER WAYS TO INTEGRATE QR CODE, USE AN INTEGRATIVE 3D TOPOGRAPHIC MAP, AN INTERACTIVE DISPLAY OF THE LOCAL GEOLOGY AND WILDLIFE. SO THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS PLACE MORE THAN JUST A PLACE TO EITHER GET INFORMATION, UM, OR UM, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF THE VOLUNTEERS. THEY WANT IT TO BE A PLACE THAT ACTUALLY DRAWS PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE PLACE. RIGHT? OH, I WANNA SEE THAT COOL THING INSIDE THE VISITOR CENTER. I HEARD IT WAS COOL TO SEE THAT TYPE OF THING. UM, ENHANCING SUSTAINABILITY MESSAGING WITH THE UPTOWN VISITOR CENTER AND OFFERING A LITTLE LOCAL PRODUCT SHOWCASE. AGAIN, UH, ANOTHER REASON TO GO THERE. UM, OUTSIDE OF THE REASONS WHY WE ALREADY KNOW PEOPLE GO THERE. SO WITH THAT, I WILL HAVE DAVID, OH YES, OH FOUR KATHY, I'M SORRY. YOU SAID SOME OF THEM ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY. I HEARD YOU REFER TO ONE OF THEM AS UNDERWAY. WHAT OTHERS ARE? UM, I BELIEVE VISITOR CENTER'S BEEN STARTING THE LOCAL PRODUCT SHOWCASE AS WELL. SO HAVING A, A TABLE THAT'S SET UP THAT DOESN'T SELL THE PRODUCTS. 'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY GETTING YOU TO THEN GO TO THAT BUSINESS, BUT INSPIRING THEM TO SAY, HEY, DID YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS A LOCAL PRODUCT THAT'S PRODUCED HERE? SO TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT THE LOCAL BUSINESS COMMUNITY. SO I KNOW THAT VICKI, VICKI SENT ME THAT UPDATE. OKAY, SO THAT AND THE KIDS' TABLE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE UNDERWAY. UM, SORRY, THE, UM, BUILDING WRAP. OH, THE BUILDING WRAP? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY, CONTINUE. OKAY. UM, DAVID, I'M GONNA HAVE YOU TALK ABOUT THE VISITOR CENTER UPDATE. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, HAPPY TO BE HERE WITH YOU TODAY. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. UM, FOR ANYBODY WHO ISN'T AWARE OF WHO I AM, THE NEW PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE GREATER SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UM, PRIVILEGED TO BE HERE AS A PART OF THE LARGER COMMUNITY AND I VALUE THE PARTNERSHIP THAT ALREADY STANDS. AND SO I'M HERE TODAY JUST SEEKING THAT WE EXTEND THAT PARTNERSHIP, UM, AND REALLY EMBRACE THE POTENTIAL OF THINKING STRATEGICALLY AND MOVING LONG TERM. UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING, UH, THE OPTION OF A ONE YEAR EXTENSION SHOULD OUR PARTNERSHIP CONTINUE TO BE FRUITFUL. UM, SO LET ME GET INTO, TODAY I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT OUR SERVICES AS THEY'RE OUTLINED IN THE CONTRACT THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN PROVIDED A BRIEF REVIEW OF THE FISCAL YEAR 24, UM, BUDGET AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS JUST FOR ANYBODY WHO WASN'T THERE AT THE TIME. I, OF COURSE WAS NOT THERE AT THE TIME, BUT I GOT PLENTY OF CONTEXT FROM THOSE INVOLVED. AND THEN WE'LL JUMP INTO WHERE WE'RE AT FOR FISCAL YEAR 25. THAT WAY YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF HOW THINGS ARE GOING NOW, THAT WAY IT CAN INFORM THE DECISION THAT WE MAKE TODAY AROUND FISCAL YEAR 26 AND THE POTENTIAL OF A FISCAL YEAR 27 EXTENSION. SO THIS IS A, AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST AND OF COURSE WE GO ABOVE AND BEYOND. UM, OUR STAFF HAS BEEN DOING A FANTASTIC JOB TO OPERATE AND STAFF THE VISITOR CENTER HIRE AND TRAIN THAT STAFF MAINTAIN AND UPKEEP THE FACILITY AND THE GROUNDS OPERATE 57 HOURS A WEEK. UM, THAT'S MINUS CHRISTMAS AND THANKSGIVING. UM, AND THAT'S OF COURSE WITH EXCEPTION TO ANY PUBLIC EMERGENCIES, WHICH IS A SMALL ADDENDUM THAT WE'VE HAD TO THE EXISTING CONTRACT. UM, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE, AS WE'RE AWARE OF PANDEMICS, WILDFIRES, UNFORTUNATE INSTANCES, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN REMINDED OF, UH, EVEN IN JUST THE LAST FEW MONTHS. UM, WE WANT TO ASSIST ALL WALK-INS AND GUESTS WHO CALL IN OR GO ONLINE SEEKING ASSISTANCE. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. UM, KNOWLEDGE OF TRAILS IN BUSINESSES, OF COURSE, AS ANDREW MENTIONED, BEING RESPECTFUL AND CONSCIOUS AND AWARE OF THEMSELVES WHILE THEY'RE HERE. AND I THINK OUR VOLUNTEERS AND OUR STAFF DO A GREAT JOB OF THAT. UM, KEEPING RECORDS OF STATISTICS AND METRICS. THAT WAY WE CAN REPORT BACK TO YOU ALL WHAT THAT INTERACTION [00:50:01] EXPERIENCE LOOKS LIKE FOR OUR GUESTS. OF COURSE, UH, WE WANNA BE GREAT FINANCIAL STEWARDS OF THIS PARTNERSHIP, AND SO WE WANNA BE AUDITING THOSE FINANCIALS WITH YOU AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE, UH, CONSISTENT, UH, PARTNERS AS THE THE 80 20 PARTNERS. SO, UM, JUST A SMALL HIGH LEVEL VIEW, COMMUNITY VALUE OF A VISITOR CENTER. UM, JUST THAT CONNECTION, THAT CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE. WE HOPE THAT PEOPLE HAVE AN EXPERIENCE THAT CONTINUES TO BRING THEM BACK, INCREASES ENGAGEMENT, MAKES THEM AWARE AND CONSCIOUS AS I'LL CALL IT, CONSCIOUS TOURISM. THAT'S ECO-CONSCIOUS, THAT'S CONSCIOUS OF THE, THE RESIDENTS HERE AND THE HOPE THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE, THEY ARE RESPECTFUL OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND THEY TREAT SEDONA HOW WE WOULD TREAT SEDONA. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE A THRIVING ECONOMY. SO PROMOTING THOSE BUSINESSES AND OF COURSE PER THE CONTRACT, NON-EXCLUSIVE, SO THAT IS NOT CHAMBER MEMBERS EXCLUSIVELY. THAT IS ALL BUSINESSES TOGETHER. UM, SO IN THE FISCAL YEAR OF 24, WE HAD A GOAL OF 150,000 WALK-INS. WE ACHIEVED 104% OF THAT GOAL FOR THE VISITORS ASSISTED ELECTRONICALLY, UM, THAT'S ONLINE OR BY TELEPHONE. UH, WE ACHIEVED 94% OF THAT GOAL. AND JUST AGAIN, A LITTLE CONTEXT SETTING, THE VOLUNTEER HOURS ARE ABOUT 6,601, I SHOULD SAY. NOT ABOUT THEY WERE EXACTLY, WE USE AN APP TO TRACK THAT, UM, WHICH IS ABOUT A 3.17 FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT. AND FOR ANYONE LISTENING WHO'S NOT AWARE OF HOW THAT NUMBER IS CALCULATED, THAT'S REALLY THE 52 WEEKS IN A YEAR DIVIDED BY A 40 HOUR WORK WEEK. SO REALLY JUST SAYING HOW MUCH HELP DO THEY PROVIDE? WELL, OUR VOLUNTEERS ARE REALLY HAVING THAT IMPACT OF LET'S SAY MORE THAN THREE ADDITIONAL FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES. AND, UM, AT THE CURRENT BUDGET, VOLUNTEERS ARE WHAT MAKES THIS ALL WORK YEAR OVER YEAR. SO SMALL CHANGES IN THE BUDGET, AGAIN, JUST REALLY CONTEXT BUILDING FOR ANYBODY WHO WASN'T PRESENT AT THE TIME. UM, WE MOVED FROM A MORTGAGE INTEREST REIMBURSEMENT STYLE TO A RENT. UM, AND THAT RENT OF 20,000, 25,500 FOR A YEAR FOR A PROPERTY OF THAT SIZE. AND UPTOWN IS, IS REALLY A, A GREAT RATE TO SAY AT THE LEAST. UM, SO WE'RE KEEPING A, A CONSERVATIVE FISCAL BUDGET HERE. UM, WE ARE MINDFUL OF A FEW THINGS THAT DID COME UNDER BUDGET IN FISCAL YEAR 24, MONITORING IT RELATIVE TO FISCAL YEAR 25. UM, THINGS THAT WE CAME IN UNDERNEATH, UH, STAFF DEVELOPMENT. SO YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS LOWER. THE VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION AND DEVELOPMENT HAD LOWERED DURING THAT YEAR. WE DIDN'T QUITE NEED THAT FULL BUDGET. UM, THINGS LIKE SUPPLIES, UH, WE OPTED TO GO WITH A SMALLER PRINTER INSTEAD OF A LARGER PRINTER THAT HAS A LOT OF OVERHEAD COSTS. UM, THE SMALL, UH, WELL NOT SMALL, THERE'S A FAIRLY LARGE, UH, DIFFERENCE IN THE SALARIES PROJECTED AND THE SALARIES THAT WERE ACTUALLY EXPENSED IN THAT YEAR. UM, SO WE MOVED FROM TWO FULL-TIME STAFF TO ONE PART-TIME DIRECTOR, EIGHT PART-TIME PEOPLE. SO THE INCREASE THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE WAGES, UM, IS ACTUALLY DUE TO INCREASING PART-TIME ASSISTANCE AS A RESULT OF THAT FULL-TIME EMPLOYMENT, UH, REDUCTION. AND OF COURSE THOSE CONTRIBUTIONS AS YOU'LL SEE TIED TO THOSE WAGES AND SALARIES. UM, GROUP INSURANCE OF COURSE GOING DOWN, UM, OUR IRA CONTRIBUTIONS AND PAYROLL TAX. UM, SO THAT'S REALLY JUST CONTEXT SETTING HERE TOO. UM, I ALSO WANNA PREFACE HOW THIS YEAR IS GOING WITH SOME ONLINE REVIEWS. I'D SEEN SOME OF THE PREVIOUS SURVEYS THAT WERE GOING OUT IN OUR NEWSLETTER AND JUST TO BE, YOU KNOW, FAIR, FAIRLY SELF-CRITICAL, I DIDN'T THINK THAT THOSE SURVEYS WERE GETTING ENOUGH ENGAGEMENT. SO REALLY I COME HERE TODAY TO SAY THIS IS A SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU'LL FIND ON GOOGLE REVIEWS, WHICH IS A FAIR PLACE TO START IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING GOING TO A NEW RESTAURANT OR GOING TO A STORE THAT'S 4.7 STAR AVERAGES FROM 457 REVIEWS. SO REALLY JUST SHARING WITH YOU ALL AND THE COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN THE CONSISTENT FEEDBACK THAT ARE, OUR STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS ARE FRIENDLY. THEY GIVE PERSONALIZED SERVICE EVEN THOUGH THE VISITOR CENTER IS FAIRLY BUSY FROM TIME TO TIME, UH, SOMETIMES FIELDING A THOUSAND PEOPLE IN ONE DAY, UM, THEY MENTION IT'S THE PERFECT FIRST STOP IN SEDONA. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT'S JUST A POINT OF ENGAGEMENT. LIKE I'D MENTIONED A GREAT PLACE TO REMIND THEM, UH, OF COURSE THAT PEOPLE CALL THIS PLACE HOME AS DO I. UM, SO WE WANT THEM TO BE RESPECTFUL ON THOSE HIKING TRAILS, UM, AND WHEREVER POSSIBLE WE CAN SEND THEM TO TRAILS THAT AREN'T AS POPULATED AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO CONSCIOUSLY REDIRECTING PEOPLE, SPREADING LOW LOVE TO DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND ATTRACTIONS. UM, AND SO MY RECOMMENDATION ON THE NOTE OF THE SURVEY IS REALLY THAT WE LOOK FOR WAYS TO DO SOME MORE DATA COLLECTION INSIDE [00:55:01] THE VISITOR CENTER. UM, RECENTLY I WAS AT THE AIRPORT AND THEY HAD A THUMBS UP OR A THUMBS DOWN IN THE RESTROOMS. AND WHILE THAT MAY SEEM SIMPLE, IT'S PROBABLY PRETTY EFFECTIVE AND IT PROBABLY JUST GIVES THEM A SIGNAL THAT IF YOU'RE GETTING ENOUGH THUMBS DOWN, IT'S SOMETHING WORTH LOOKING AT. SOMETHING WORTH EVALUATING. UM, OF COURSE WE COULD EXPLORE IN-PERSON SURVEYS SHOULD WE HAVE THE ASSISTANCE OF ADDITIONAL VOLUNTEERS, PART-TIME STAFF OR PERHAPS A SHARED INTERN. UM, SO THAT'S REALLY JUST MY RECOMMENDATION. OF COURSE WE CAN CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THAT, DEVELOP NEW IDEAS, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE GOAL BEING THAT WE GET MORE DATA, MORE RELIABLE, CONSISTENT DATA ON MORE SO, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE UNDERSTANDING SATISFACTION, BUT I THINK WE COULD UNDERSTAND MORE. I THINK WE COULD DIVE A LITTLE DEEPER. SO THE FISCAL YEAR 25 UPDATE, REALLY WE ARE JUST SAYING THAT WE ARE FAIRLY ON TRACK. UM, THIS YEAR OUR GOAL 150,000 PEOPLE, UM, ASSISTED, UH, WE ARE AT 50% OF THAT GOAL. UM, AND THIS TIME LAST YEAR WE WERE AT 43%. SO WE ARE SEEING A SLIGHT INCREASE AND I'LL GIVE SOME MORE DATA, UH, TO BACK THAT UP THERE. UM, VISITORS ASSISTED ELECTRONICALLY OR TELEPHONICALLY, UM, WE ARE ABOUT 43% OF THAT GOAL. AND THIS TIME LAST YEAR WE WERE AT 37% OF THAT GOAL. SO REALLY THAT'S SUGGESTING THAT THERE'S A WEIGHTED CONSISTENCY TO THE SPRING. I THINK THAT'S OUR, OUR BIG POPULAR SEASON HERE. SO THIS IS THAT YEAR OVER YEAR GROWTH OF DATA THAT I ALLUDED TO. UM, SO WE ARE SEEING A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT DOUBLE DIGIT INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR AT THE VISITOR CENTER AND WE COULD ATTRIBUTE THAT TO MANY THINGS WE CAN EVER SAY FOR SURE, AND EXACTLY. BUT MY HOPE IS THAT IT SUGGESTS A COMBINATION OF TWO THINGS, AN INCREASE OF VISITORS AND AN INCREASED LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT DUE TO PRIOR EXPERIENCE OR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR PRIOR VISITORS. UM, A COUPLE SMALL TESTIMONIALS HERE. UM, I'VE GOT NATE MEYERS, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE SEDONA MUSEUM AND HISTORICAL SOCIETY. UM, THIS WAS AN UNPROMPTED, UM, TESTIMONIAL. SO THESE WERE NOT COLLECTED ON PURPOSE. THESE, THIS CAME TO MY INBOX. UH, I'M TWO MONTHS NEW ON THE JOB AND SO I THINK PEOPLE ARE JUST LOOKING TO GIVE ME A BETTER IDEA OF THE IMPACT. AND SO I WON'T READ THIS ALL TO YOU. UM, BUT HE SUMMARIZED IT AS EACH GUEST IS GONNA GET A SURVEY ASKING ABOUT HOW THEY HEARD ABOUT THE MUSEUM, WHERE THEY WERE DIRECTED FROM. AND ABOUT 1,175 GUESTS SAID THAT THEY CAME TO THE MUSEUM AS A RESULT OF THE VISITOR'S CENTER. SO THAT'S ABOUT 10% OF THEIR VISITORS, UM, TO THE MUSEUM. AND UH, ADDITIONALLY, THE AVERAGE VISITOR SPENDS ABOUT $9 IN THEIR GUEST SHOP. SO NATE JUST SHARED WITH ME THAT THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THERE WAS ABOUT $22,000 OF IMPACT TO A LOCAL ATTRACTION AS A RESULT OF THE VISITOR CENTER. NOW I'M SURE THEY WOULD DO A JUST FINE AND GREAT JOB WITH ALL THEIR MARKETING TOOLS. UM, SO THIS IS JUST REALLY, AS WE SUGGESTED EARLIER, AS ANDREW MENTIONED, THIS IS A HOLISTIC CYCLE. SO I'M NOT NECESSARILY HERE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE VISITOR CENTER IS THE END ALL BE ALL, BUT IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE, UM, ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM HERE FOR VISITORS. UM, AND THEN JOEY NAVARRO FROM DESTINATION TATTOO, HE'S THE OWNER. HE ESSENTIALLY SAID TO US, HEY, I HIRED TWO NEW PEOPLE AND I, I REALLY ATTRIBUTE THAT TO GROWTH AND CONSISTENT REFERRALS FROM THE VISITOR'S CENTER. SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT THE END ALL BE ALL, BUT JUST GOOD TO HAVE THAT FEEDBACK. I KNOW THAT WE'RE MEASURING SATISFACTION HERE OF THE VISITORS, BUT WE'RE ALSO MEASURING SOME OF THE SATISFACTION OF IS THIS PROVIDING A VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY. ANY QUESTIONS THUS FAR? I REALIZE I'M JUST MOVING ON THROUGH IT FOR Y'ALL. WE GOOD? OKAY. OKAY. UM, SO THAT LEADS US TO THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 26 AND POTENTIAL FISCAL YEAR 27 BUDGET. UM, AS I MENTIONED, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FEW CHANGES AND SO I'LL START AT THE TOP, REALLY BUILDING MAINTENANCE. UM, THAT 5% INCREASE IS REALLY DUE TO LABOR, AS WE ALL KNOW, THE COST OF LIVING AND THE COST OF LABOR IS GOING UP. SO WE'RE REALLY FACED WITH THAT, WHICH IS TIED TO OUR WAGES AND SALARY. OF COURSE, WE WILL GET INTO THAT. UM, OUR REAL ESTATE TAX WILL BE CONSISTENTLY GOING UP. AND THEN THE NOTABLE PIECE OF THE ARIZONA WATER COMPANY, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UM, THEY'RE PROJECTING A 35% INCREASE. UM, AND, AND REALLY THE FIRST OF 2026 IS OUR ESTIMATE BASED ON PREVIOUS IMPLEMENTATIONS OF THESE, UM, INCREASES. SO THIS IS OUR BEST GUESS AS TO WHAT WILL ANTICIPATE OUR UTILITY BILL BEING. AND SO A LOT OF UNCHANGED EXPENSES. WE'RE LOOKING TO BE, LIKE [01:00:01] I SAID, FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE. WE DON'T WANNA HAVE ANY LINE ITEMS AS THE TAB SUGGESTED THAT ARE HIGHER THAN THEY SHOULD BE, ESSENTIALLY. SO OUR SUPPLIES, YOU'LL SEE SLIGHTLY DOWN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST BEING MORE EFFICIENT WITH OUR PRINTING, TRYING TO BE COMPETITIVE, UM, WITH SOME OF OUR QUOTES WHEN WE'RE ORDERING NEW PRODUCTS. UM, WE'RE ANTICIPATING, YOU KNOW, THAT STAFF DEVELOPMENT STAYING ABOUT THE SAME, THAT VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION GOING DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT SO THAT WE HOLD TWO SEMI-ANNUAL EVENTS TO SHOW OUR VOLUNTEERS SOME LOVE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. UM, AND SO OUR GOAL IS NOT TO DO LESS, BUT TO DO MORE WITH LESS, TO GET CREATIVE, TO BRING IN PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY TO SHOW THOSE FOLKS SOME LOVE BECAUSE THEY DO WORK HARD AND THEY'RE VERY, UM, FRIENDLY AND INTENTIONAL. UM, I SHOULD MENTION, I'VE BEEN A PREVIOUS VISITOR AND THEY'VE BEEN GOOD TO ME. SO THAT'S JUST A FIRSTHAND, UH, TESTIMONIAL THERE. BUT, UM, UH, AGAIN, 5% INCREASES, UH, SALARY, WAGES, PAYROLL, TAXES, IRA CONTRIBUTIONS GROUP INSURANCE SEES THINGS ARE ALL VERY RELATED, VERY TIED TO EACH OTHER. THE COST OF TURNOVER FOR STAFF IS ACTUALLY PRETTY IMPACTFUL. SO THIS BUDGET IS BUILT ON THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT GOOD PEOPLE, WE'RE GONNA KEEP THEM AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP THEM HAPPY. AND SO, UM, A COUPLE OTHER NOTABLE, UM, NUMBERS THAT YOU MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW, WHY IS THAT DIFFERENT? SO COUNTER MAPS, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE 14 FIVE AND THEN YOU'LL SEE 72 50, WE HAVE ALTERNATING, UH, ALTERNATING CYCLES IN HOW MANY MAPS WE'RE ORDERING AND AT WHAT VOLUME. SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON FOR THAT DIFFERENT NUMBER. ANOTHER NOTABLE DIFFERENCE IS THAT CPA COSTS FOR 1200. UM, THAT WAS AN ADDITION IN FISCAL YEAR OF 24. SO THAT WAS ADDED INTO THE BUDGET. UH, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE IT IN THE ACTUAL COLUMN AND NOT THE ORIGINAL 2025 BUDGET COLUMN. UM, NOW THAT IT IS A KNOWN QU QUANTITY, IT'S DISAPPEARING. I SEE THAT AS A PART OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS BECAUSE THAT 15% ADMIN CHARGE IS REALLY MY OVERSIGHT THAT OF GARY, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR. UM, SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S GOING AWAY. I SEE THAT AS A PART OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES. SO IT IS, OF COURSE, WITHIN OUR ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET. UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO DIVE IN ANY QUESTIONS THERE? UM, BECAUSE MY NEXT SLIDE IS QUESTIONS . OKAY. SO ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION? I HAVE ONE. UH, DAVID, THANKS FOR COMING TODAY. UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER, SO EXPLAIN TO ME ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR RETENTION OF YOUR, UH, VOLUNTEERS. AND, UM, I KNOW IT'S VERY CHALLENGING FOR THE VISIT CENTER AND OR ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION TO HAVE VOLUNTEERS, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR YOUR ORGANIZATION WITH THE AMOUNT OF VAST KNOWLEDGE THAT'S REQUIRED. SO WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO, UH, ONE RETAIN, TWO TRAIN, UH, OR TO, UH, ENCOURAGE NEW PEOPLE TO COME IN? ABSOLUTELY. SO WE HAVE ONE DIRECTOR, EIGHT PART-TIMERS AND ABOUT 30 VOLUNTEERS. I SAY ABOUT, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME SEASONAL FLUCTUATIONS YEAR OVER YEAR, WE'VE STAYED FAIRLY CONSISTENT. UM, AND SO ONE OF OUR PART-TIMERS IS ACTUALLY MOVING AWAY. SO WE DID START FLOATING THAT POSITION IN THE NEWSPAPER. WE'LL HAVE IT UP ON INDEED. WE'LL BE DOING ACTIVE ENGAGED, UM, SEARCH FOR THIS BECAUSE A PART-TIME POSITION ONLINE ISN'T GOING TO ATTRACT A TON OF ATTENTION ON ITS OWN. SO THIS WILL BE AN INTENTIONAL SEARCH ON THE VOLUNTEER. SPECIFICALLY, WE'D LIKE TO REESTABLISH AND REENGAGE THE COMMUNITY WITH OUR ASSOCIATE MEMBERSHIP, WHICH IS FOR INDIVIDUALS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. AND A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT MIGHT BE SOMEONE RETIRING OUT OF THEIR BUSINESS OR SELLING THEIR BUSINESS AND STILL WANTING TO BE INVOLVED AS AN INDIVIDUAL. SO MY GOAL THERE IS LET'S ENGAGE FOLKS AS SOON AS THEY RETIRE, FOR EXAMPLE, OR AS SOON AS THEY SELL THAT BUSINESS, LET THE, GET THEM ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY AS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE SEEN WITH OUR FAMILY OR FRIENDS THAT HAVE RETIRED. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S EASY TO KIND OF GET CAUGHT IN A LULL. AND, UH, JUST SPEAKING PERSONALLY, I'M TRYING TO GET MY DAD ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO I'D LOVE TO SEE IF HE'S UP HERE STAYING WITH ME. HE LEARNS MORE ABOUT SEDONA. MAYBE HE, HE THROWS IN A COUPLE SHIFT AS A VOLUNTEER. BUT, UM, REALLY WANNA ENGAGE THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE NEW TO TOWN AND WHO ARE RETIRING. AND ALSO TO WORK. WE HAVE SO MANY VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS, AND I SAY THAT WITH SURPRISE IN MY VOICE, A PLEASANT SURPRISE BECAUSE I'M TWO MONTHS NEW AND I'VE ALREADY ENCOUNTERED SIX OR SEVEN ORGANIZATIONS WITH DOUBLE DIGIT VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE CONSISTENT AND PASSIONATE. AND MAYBE WE COULD EXPLORE SOME OFF SEASON ENGAGEMENT, RIGHT? SO IF SOMEBODY FINISHES UP AN ACTIVE, ENGAGED FULL-TIME CYCLE IN THE FILM FESTIVAL, COULD WE NOT ENGAGE THEM IN THE SPRING IN OUR, THE HEIGHT [01:05:01] OF ART PEAK TIME TO SAY, HEY, JOIN US FOR A FEW MONTHS. WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO GET BACK TO WATCHING FILMS AND THAT WORK ISN'T EASY AND IT STARTS AS SOON AS THE THE FILM FESTIVAL ENDS. UH, SO I'VE HEARD AND BEEN TOLD. UM, SO THAT'S REALLY KIND OF THE THREE POINT PLAN THERE. UM, ALSO, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE INTERNSHIP CONCEPT THAT YOU'VE FLOATED? YEP. SO I JUST CREATED A, A TEMPLATE FOR SOMETHING WE COULD EXPLORE A VISITOR CENTER INTERN. I THINK IT'D BE A GREAT WAY FOR US TO BRING UP THAT NEXT GENERATION, THAT FUTURE PART-TIMER, THAT FUTURE FULL-TIMER TO LEARN ABOUT TOURISM IN THE CITY, TO LEARN ABOUT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THROUGH THE CHAMBER AND TO WORK IN THE VISITOR CENTER. BRINGING SOME NEW LIFE, SOME NEW PERSPECTIVE TO THE CITY. I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS MIGHT BE POISED TO GET A LITTLE EXPERIENCE AS THEY HEAD INTO COLLEGE OR SOMEONE IN COLLEGE WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT CAREER PICKED OUT JUST YET. MAYBE THEY'RE IN BETWEEN THEIR THIRD TO FOURTH YEAR IN COLLEGE AND THEY NEED SOME MORE EXPERIENCE ON THE RESUME. I WOULD LOVE TO BUILD OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO TRANSFER SOME OF THAT KNOWLEDGE. OUR VOLUNTEERS, SOME OF THEM JUST KEEP IT ALL UP HERE. RIGHT. AND ON THAT NOTE, YOU KNOW, ANDREW AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT KEEPING THAT TRAINING CONSISTENT, DEVELOPING SOME SOPS. I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT FOR US TO HELP CREATE CONSISTENCY IN TRANSITION AND CONSISTENCY AMONG DIFFERENT SHIFTS, DIFFERENT VOLUNTEERS. OF COURSE, THEY'RE EACH GONNA HAVE THEIR PERSONALIZED EXPERIENCES, THEIR PERSONALIZED RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT AT LEAST A CONSISTENT PROCESS. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. CONTINUE WITH YOUR QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT. OKAY. WELL, IS THAT OKAY? IT'S BACK TO ME. OKAY. THANKS. NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR DAVID? THANK YOU. OR OKAY. NOT YET. LET ME KNOW IF YOU THINK OF ANYTHING. YEAH. OKAY. IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE. UM, SO REGARDING THE TABS DETERMINATION THAT THE VISITOR CENTER IS ON PAR OR BETTER THAN COMPARABLE LOCATIONS, HERE'S A CHART THAT SHOWS SOME OTHER DESTINATIONS AND THEIR ESTIMATED ANNUAL VISITATION, HOW MANY PEOPLE VISIT THEIR VISITOR CENTER AND THE ANNUAL VISITOR CENTER BUDGET. UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE ALIGN MOST CLOSELY WITH SANTA FE, UM, EVEN THOUGH OUR VISITOR CENTER GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE ENGAGEMENT THAN THEIRS. UM, SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING COUNSEL TO CONSIDER TONIGHT IS, UH, A ONE YEAR CONTRACT FOR 3 51 440, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, WHICH IS WHAT DAVID JUST SHOWED, UM, WITH AN OPTION TO RENEW IN FISCAL YEAR 27 FOR FISCALLY, OR FOR 3 58, 8 92. UM, ALTERNATIVELY WE COULD STRUCTURE THE AGREEMENT FOR TWO YEARS, UM, WITH THE AMOUNTS LISTED ON THE SCREEN. UH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS NOW OR IF YOU WANT TO WAIT, UM, AFTER YOU HEAR ABOUT DIGITAL KIOSKS, WE CAN HAVE ONE MEGA DISCUSSION, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE IT, UM, YOUR CHOICE, WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO DO. OKAY. QUESTIONS AT ALL? YEAH, BRIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR LAUREN. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE TALKED OVER THE PAST YEAR ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE PLANS FOR VISITOR SERVICES. AND ONE OF THE ASKS I'VE HAD WAS THAT THE TAB WOULD BE LOOKING AT VISITOR SERVICES FROM A BLANK SHEET OF PAPER PERSPECTIVE. CAN YOU DESCRIBE AT A HIGH LEVEL, UM, THE DEGREE TO WHICH THE TAB, UH, CONSIDERED, UH, HOW TO PROVIDE VISITOR SERVICES IN A WAY THAT DIDN'T AUTOMATICALLY START WITH, WELL, EVERYBODY HAS A VISITOR CENTER, SO WE SHOULD TOO. YEAH, I THINK, UM, I THINK IT WAS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM AND SO THEY HAD TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT AND THEN WANNA DO A DEEP DIVE INTO IT. SO THAT IS WHAT THEY DID . UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ASKED THEM TO, UM, TAKE OFF ALL BLINDERS OF COST AND FEASIBILITY AND ALL THAT. THINK ABOUT THE LOCATIONS THAT YOU'VE BEEN TO. WHAT DID YOU LIKE? WHAT DIDN'T YOU LIKE? UM, YOU KNOW, DO SOME EXPLORATORY MISSIONS YOURSELVES AND COME BACK AND REPORT TO US. UM, AND THEY CAME BACK AND THE TWO THINGS THAT THEY CIRCLED ON WERE A PHYSICAL SPACE AND OUR LACK OF TECHNOLOGY HERE. AND SO THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE DIRECTION WE HAVE TONIGHT OF WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. UH, PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION, ANDREW. I THINK IT WAS REALLY IN YOUR PRESENTATION WHERE I THINK YOU SAID THAT, UH, ANDREW, THE BOOKING WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT YOUR CIRCLE OF TASKS THERE, BOOKING, WE DON'T HAVE A [01:10:01] POINT OF SALE, BUT THEN ON YOUR SLIDE NINE, THE TAB WAS RECOMMENDING SOMETHING ABOUT BOOKING AVAILABILITY. AND I BELIEVE I'VE HEARD YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT ON OUR WEBSITE TO DO BOOKING. AND SO I'M, I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THAT AND SOMEWHAT CONCERNED ABOUT PICKING FAVORITES. AND SO HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? YEAH, SO WE DID EXECUTE A BOOK DIRECT FUNCTION, WHICH IS WHAT THAT'S REFERRING TO AS, I GUESS OUR ROLE, UM, WITH WHAT YOU SAID. THAT IS ESSENTIALLY A, A FUNCTION ON OUR WEBSITE THAT WILL BRING YOU TO WHAT LOOKS AND FEELS LIKE AN ONLINE TRAVEL AGENT WEBSITE. BUT WE DON'T CONDUCT THE BOOKING. THE BOOKING IS DONE AT THE PROPERTY LEVEL. SO THE POINT OF SALE STILL EXISTS AT THE HOTEL, BUT WE'RE DRIVING THEM DIRECTLY TO A PATH TO PURCHASE. WHEREAS BEFORE IT'S MORE, THESE ARE HOTELS THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT. SO IT'S A MORE INTENTIONAL WAY OR SORT OF MORE SOPHISTICATED WAY TO DRIVE PEOPLE TO A PATH TO PURCHASE. 'CAUSE IT SHOWS YOU THE AVERAGE DAILY, UH, IT SHOWS YOU THE ACTUAL RATE FOR THE NIGHTS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. SO IT'S CALLED BOOK DIRECT. UM, BUT THE POINT OF SALE STILL EXISTS AT THE HOTEL. UM, AND WHY IT'S DIFFERENT IS THAT IT'S REALLY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE POINT OF SALE. AND I, SORRY FOR NOT MENTIONED THAT EARLIER, WHERE IT BECOMES THE RESERVATION EMAIL, THE FOLLOW UP ABOUT YOUR STAY. THERE'S A WHOLE SERIES OF COMMUNICATIONS THAT OCCUR WHEN A BOOKING HAPPENS. IT'S NOT JUST WHEN THE POINT OF SALE OCCURRED, BUT IT'S THE ROLE IN THE VISITOR LIFECYCLE WHEN THAT PRIVATE SECTOR ENTITY TAKES OVER. AND THEN THEY'RE THE ONES PROVIDING INFORMATION. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT A REALLY WELL EXECUTED VISITOR LIFECYCLE IS THAT AS YOU MOVE THROUGH EACH STAGE, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE TALKING TO DIFFERENT ACTORS, SIMILAR INFORMATION IS BEING SHARED. UM, I WAS AT THE LODGING COUNCIL THIS MORNING, SHARED THEM SOME OF OUR CONTENT PRIORITIES RELATED TO RIDING THE SHUTTLE, SOME OF THE NEW HIKING MAPS THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT WHEN WE GET TO DIGITAL KIOSKS. HOW CAN THE LODGING COUNCIL AND VIS-A-VIS THE PRIVATE SECTOR INDUSTRY HERE, TOURISM RELATED BUSINESSES, SHARE THAT COMMUNICATION OUT. THEY COULD EMBED THE SAME CONTENT. SO WHEN YOU GET YOUR CONFIRMATION EMAIL FROM A HOTEL, IT SAYS, DID YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A SHUTTLE? GO TO IT. SO IT BECOMES THE ROLE OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO COMMUNICATE AFTER THE BOOKING OCCURS. OKAY. AND THEN SPEAK TO MY NO PICKING OF FAVORITES. PART OF MY QUESTION. YEAH. UM, FOR A BOOK DIRECT SPECIFICALLY, UM, YEAH, THERE'S A FILTERED LIST. IT'S RANDOMIZED, IT'S PRESENTATION. AND SO IF YOU'VE, I'VE TRIED SEARCHING IT AND IT'S NOT THE SAME ENTITY AND IT'S A LIST OF EVERY HOTEL IN THE CITY THAT IS WITH THEIR PRICING. WE DON'T HAVE PRICING AVAILABILITY FOR EVERY HOTEL. 'CAUSE IT'S RELATED TO THE, UM, THE, THE RESERVATION MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT THEY HAVE. I THINK WE'VE GOT ABOUT AN 80% CAPTURE WHERE WE ACTUALLY SHOW THE RATE. BUT, UM, IT ESSENTIALLY LOOKS LIKE AN OTA IF. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS ONLINE TRAVEL AGENT, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE AN EXPEDIA WHERE YOU TYPED IN SEDONA HOTELS. IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF INTERFACE EXCEPT WE DON'T TAKE ANY MONEY FROM IT. EXACTLY. YES. EXACTLY. YEAH. YOU ANTICIPATED MY QUESTION. THERE YOU GO. UH, COULD YOU JUST, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ACTUAL RATE, AS YOU SAID, FOR HOTEL, BUT IT DOES EVERY HOTEL, NOT EVERY HOTEL. OKAY. IT DEPENDS ON THEIR RESERVATION SYSTEM. RIGHT. SO MY QUESTION IS THOUGH, BUT IS THERE, YOU KNOW, HOW THERE'S SOMETIMES THOSE CATEGORIES OF LIKE $1 SIGN, $2 SIGN, $3 SIGN. IS THERE SOMETHING SO THAT WHEN SOMEBODY GOES ON THAT THEY KNOW AT AN EYEBALL, YOU KNOW, LEVEL THAT YOU KNOW THEY WANNA LOOK AT IN THIS CATEGORY PRICE CATEGORY? THEY CAN FILTER BY LODGING, PROPERTY TYPE, AND PRICE. OKAY, THANK YOU. BUT TO THE, I THINK THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THE UNFILTERED LIST IS EVERYTHING. AND IT TYPICALLY SHOWS DIFFERENTLY EACH TIME YOU CLICK, BUT THEY CAN BREAK IT DOWN, THEN YOU CAN INTO ONLY THIS PRICE RATE. EXACTLY. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL HAVE MORE AFTER THE KIOSKS. YEAH, THAT, THAT, OH, THIS IS GONNA SEPARATE THE TWO. SO THANK YOU. UH, VICE MAYOR AND THEN DEREK. SO THEN THE LIST OF TAB RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE VISITOR CENTER IN THIS CONTRACT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW, DOES THAT ASSUME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO INCLUDE SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS OR WOULD THEY BE ADDITIONS, FINANCIAL ADDITIONS? YEAH, SO, UM, AS ANDREW AND LAUREN AND I HAVE DISCUSSED, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WRAPPING THE WINDOWS, UM, THAT'S NOT REALLY LIKE AN OPERATIONAL EXPENSE. THAT'S MORE OF A, A PROMOTIONAL EXPENSE. AND OF COURSE THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, GREAT REAL ESTATE TO MAKE USE OF, TO, TO SPREAD YOUR NEW MESSAGING AND, AND MARKETING CAMPAIGNS. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO TO PARTNER ON IT. BUT AS OF NOW, THAT IS NOT IN THIS BUDGET. WHO'S PAYING FOR THAT? LAUREN? WE PAID FOR THE, FOR THE WRAP. OKAY. YEP. AND WHAT ABOUT SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS WITH AN INTERACTIVE 3D MAP, TOPIC, GRAPHIC MAP, THEY SEEM, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING WE WOULD PURCHASE OR WE WOULD ASK THE CHAMBER? THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT SEEMED FURTHER OUT MM-HMM . UM, AND I, I KNOW THAT WE WEREN'T INTERESTED IN PURCHASING [01:15:01] THINGS THAT AREN'T OURS ANYMORE. SO WE ARE VERY WELL AWARE OF THAT. UM, THE INTERESTING ONE WITH THAT SPECIFICALLY IS SPACE. YOU ALL HAVE BEEN IN THERE, IT'S A VERY TIGHT SPACE. MM-HMM . A TOPOGRAPHIC MAP IS GOING TO TAKE UP QUITE A ROOM. UM, QUITE A LOT OF ROOM. AND, UH, THE, UM, UH, THE FOREST SERVICE VISITOR CENTER HAS, HAS ONE OF THESE. SO THAT WAS KIND OF UP FOR DEBATE AT THE TAB. I MEAN, I, I THINK THEY WERE GENERALLY IN SUPPORT OF IT, BUT THEY ALSO RECOGNIZED THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE CHALLENGING IF IT WASN'T SOME SORT OF MAYBE OUTDOOR TYPE OF THING. UM, IN THAT INSTANCE IT COULD BE, UM, A SCULPTURE OF A SORT, YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE IT BEING MADE OUT OF BRONZE OR SOMETHING THAT CAN WEATHER THE ELEMENTS AND THINGS. SO SHOULDN'T LET SUSAN CLEAVER GET AWAY. RIGHT. WAIT. UM, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, I DON'T FOCUS TOO MUCH, ESPECIALLY ON THE 3D, UM, MAP BECAUSE I KNOW HOW MUCH INVESTMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE BOTH IN REAL ESTATE AND PRICE THAT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE TO GET IT THERE. I JUST PICKED IT OUTTA A LIST. YEAH. . BUT SOMETHING LIKE, LET'S TAKE THE KIDS TABLE. YEAH, I KNOW THEY'RE TOTALLY INTERESTED IN THAT. YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD ABSOLUTELY TAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT'S LOW HANGING FRUIT. WHAT KIND OF COOL THINGS COULD YOU PUT AT THAT KID'S TABLE TO MAYBE MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE ENGAGING? THAT CAME FROM, UM, ONE OF THE PARENTS ON THE TAB. MM-HMM . SAID, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE A 4-YEAR-OLD AND I COULD VERY EASILY, YOU KNOW, JUST WITH A FEW TWEAKS THAT COULD BE EASILY DONE. SO I, I WON'T SPEAK FOR YOU, BUT I, I ASSUME THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WITHIN REASON, WHEREAS OBVIOUSLY THE MAP IS GONNA BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WORK OUT. YEAH. AND I THINK USING THESE AS A, A PLACE OF IDEATION, UM, I'M HAPPY TO ENGAGE THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO SEE WHAT CONTRIBUTIONS MIGHT BE POSSIBLE, UM, WHETHER IT BE AN ITEM OR, OR FINANCIAL, UH, CONTRIBUTION. IT'S GREAT. AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT THE TAB PROVIDED THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MARY DEREK, SO HOW IS THE CITY'S SHARE? 80% SHARE PAID OUT? IS THAT PAID OUT OVER TIME? IS IT A REIMBURSEMENT? IS THAT BECAUSE I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET. UH, THE CITY'S 80% SHARE WAS 4 24, 1 20 ACTUAL WAS 2 96, 7 30. NOPE. IT HAPPENED TO THE DIFFERENCE. DOES THAT MEAN WE JUST NEVER PUT THAT MONEY OUT THERE OR CORRECT. I BELIEVE THEY BILL US QUARTERLY, CORRECT. ANNETTE? MONTHLY. MONTHLY. MONTHLY. I BELIEVE IT'S MONTHLY. OKAY. AND IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT. OKAY. WE, WE REIMBURSE THEM 80% AND THEY PAY 20%. OKAY. SO THE MONEY'S NOT JUST SITTING THERE AT THE END OF THE YEAR. IT'S HASN'T BEEN PAID OUT IF THEY COME IN UNDER BUDGET. OKAY. CORRECT. THANK YOU, MELISSA. AND THEN I'LL GO, SO IT'S, IT'S A QUESTION, BUT NOT REALLY NECESSARILY ABOUT THE VISITOR CENTER. I MEAN, UM, IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR TAG RECOMMEND SLIDE, I KNOW YOU JUMP BACK. NO PROBLEM. JUMP BACK. NO, YOU GOT, SHOULD JUST BOOKMARKED IT AT THE END, OR IS IT, I THINK WE'RE GOING BACK. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO SOME OF THE ITEMS ON THIS, I'M, I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT ANDY AS WELL AS LOOKING AT YOU GUYS OVER HERE. I JUST WANT ANDY TO PAY ATTENTION. SO, UM, , UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE GARAGE, FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IS AT THE VERY TOP OF THE GARAGE PUTTING, UM, UH, IN INFORMATIONAL STUFF ABOUT THE MOUNTAINS THAT YOU'RE SEEING AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. AND SO IT JUST SEEMS THAT AS THOUGH THAT STARTS TO COME INTO REALITY, THESE MIGHT BE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT MAYBE AT THE TOP OF THE, UM, THE GARAGE INSTEAD OF LIKE JUST THE MOUNTAINS. MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING MORE, MAYBE IT'S TOPOGRAPHICAL, MAYBE IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THERE ARE OTHER PLACES THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE MANAGE WHERE WE MAY HAVE TOUCHPOINTS, UM, FOR VISITORS AND THAT WE SHOULDN'T TRY TO NECESSARILY FIT ALL OF IT INTO THE VISITOR CENTER BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE'S GONNA GO TO THE VISITOR CENTER. UM, SO I, I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF SAY AS A CITY, MAYBE WE ALSO NEED TO, TO THINK ABOUT THIS IN A BROADER SCOPE. MM-HMM . THANK YOU, MELISSA. POINT TAKEN. SO I WANNA GO BACK TO, UH, THE TAB DISCUSSION, BUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON, SEE WHAT THE TAB RECOMMENDED FOR THE, UH, ELECTRONIC, UH, TELEPHONE CALLS THAT HAVE COME IN. IF THE CHAMBER WERE NOT TO DO THAT, HOW ELSE WOULD IT BE DONE? AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK OTHER THAN WALK-INS THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT THE CHAMBER VOLUNTEERS, UH, DO [01:20:01] ON A DAILY BASIS, THAT IF WE DID NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS RIGHT. HOW WOULD IT GET DONE? DID THEY HAVE AN OPINION ON HOW ELSE TO DO IT? UH, WE DID NOT HAVE THAT EXACT DISCUSSION, BUT JUST FROM A, UM, HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO, WE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE IT IN HOUSE AND, RIGHT. YEAH. I, I THINK SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO PICK UP, PICK UP THAT TORCH. I THINK THE, THE OTHER COMMENT COULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE DID MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DIGITAL KIOSK STRATEGY, WHICH WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET, BUT THE AI CHATBOT OTHER DESTINATIONS ARE USING IN THAT WAY. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S THE REPLACEMENT, BUT, UM, WE'D DEFINITELY EXPLORE IF THAT COULD BE PART OF THE, PART OF THE SOLUTION. TO ME IT'S VERY IMPERSONAL FOR SOMETHING THAT IF SOMEONE'S CALLING FROM, UH, ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND WANTS TO GET INFORMATION AND THEY'RE CALLING OUR VISIT CENTER. I'VE HEARD THE VOLUNTEERS ON THE PHONE, THEY GIVE REALLY GOOD INFORMATION, NOT A CHAT BOX. I, I HATE THE AI. SO ANYWAY. UH, OKAY. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO THE CARDS? OKAY. SO WE HAVE THE CARDS. WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT, EXCUSE ME, THE CARDS FOR BOTH ITEMS THOUGH, INCLUDING THE KIOSKS. SHOULDN'T WE DO THAT? UH, JUST FOR THE WHOLE, IT'S ALL AN ITEM. WELL, IT DOES VISIT CENTER. WE VICTORIA'S HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE VISIT CENTER. CHERYL BARRON, ARE YOU ABOUT THE VISIT CENTER OR JUST THE KIOSK OF BOTH? BOTH. OKAY. AND CRAIG? UM, BOTH. OKAY. SO WHY DON'T WE WAIT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . UH, WE'LL WAIT. THIS WAY WE COULD, IN THE INTEREST OF IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO BE ABLE TO DO IT NOW. IT'S POSSIBLE. UH, WELL, IT'S POSSIBLE THEY'RE ASKING, THEY'RE THEY'RE GIVING US OUR COMMENTS OR THEIR COMMENTS AND THEN WE COULD DISCUSS IT AFTERWARDS. IT'S YOUR CALL MAYOR, BUT I THINK IT'S OUTTA CONTEXT WITHOUT THE PRESENTATION ON THE KIOSKS. OKAY. SO LET'S WAIT THEN. SORRY CRAIG. ALRIGHT, THEN LET'S MOVE ON TO THE, THE KIOSK DISCUSSION. GREAT, GREAT. SO, UM, AS LAUREN MENTIONED, AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT STARTED THIS CONVERSATION WAS, YOU KNOW, THE REQUEST, UM, TO LOOK INTO HOW DO WE DELIVER VISITOR SERVICES IN SEDONA AND DON'T IMMEDIATELY THINK OF A PHYSICAL SPACE. UM, I THINK ONE THING THAT RESULTED FROM THAT, IN ADDITION TO THIS UNDERSTANDING THAT VISITOR SERVICES HAPPENS WITH A LOT OF ACTORS THAT AREN'T JUST THE CITY OF SEDONA OR THE CHAMBER AND THE VISITOR CENTER. THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER ACTORS THERE. IT ALSO SITS WITHIN A LARGER VISITOR VISITOR LIFECYCLE. YOU KNOW, TO ME IT REALLY LOOKS AT LIKE, WHAT IS THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE WANT TO BE SHARING WITH PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE VISITOR LIFECYCLE? AND THEN VISITOR SERVICES IS THAT STAGE. IF NOW YOU'RE HERE, WHAT DO YOU, YOU NEED TO KNOW? SO I I, I DO THINK THERE WERE SOME FINDINGS ON HOW DO WE DELIVER VISITOR SERVICES WITHOUT A, WITHOUT A PHYSICAL SPACE. BUT WE DID LEAD END UP WITH THE PHYSICAL SPACE IS A, IT IS A, IS A GOOD STRATEGY, BUT IN ORDER TO TRULY ANSWER THE QUESTION, UM, I'D SAY THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE ENDED UP COMING TODAY WITH A DIGITAL INFORMATION KIOSK STRATEGY, WHICH IS, UH, PHYSICAL DELIVERY. YOU WALK UP TO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN A, THAT'S NOT IN A BUILDING, AND YOU RECEIVE THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE ARCHITECTED WITHIN THAT, WITHIN THAT DIGITAL SPACE. UM, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY THIS REALLY COMES BACK TO THESE BROADER GOALS. I THINK I I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, WHEN WE'RE IN KIND OF OUR PEAK TIMES, HOW DO WE MAKE MORE VISITORS FEEL LIKE LESS? UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A, A WAY THAT I LOOK AT THIS INFORMATION ARCHITECTURE AND WHY THIS RECOMMENDATION CAME FORWARD. IF WE CAN CREATE A MORE INFORMED VISITOR THAT, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDS OUR EXPECTATIONS OF THEM, UNDERSTANDS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, HOW WE WOULD CURATE THIS PLACE, IDEALLY THEY'LL MOVE FASTER OR WITH LESS FRICTION THROUGH THE DESTINATION. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEFINITELY PERFORMING WELL WHEN IT COMES TO THE TOUCH POINTS THAT WE GET AT THE PHYS PHYSICAL VISITOR CENTER, BUT THE EXPLORATION OF A DIGITAL KIOSK STRATEGY HELPS US NOT ONLY COMMUNICATE THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL TOUCH POINTS, BUT GIVES US A WAY TO REPORT ON THE ACTUAL ENGAGEMENTS THAT WE GET AT THESE. SO TO ME IT IS, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST SOMETHING FOR US ALL TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, IS THE DIGITAL KIOSK STRATEGY ONE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AS IT RELATES TO THINKING OUTSIDE OF A PHYSICAL SPACE. CAN YOU GO INTO WHAT LESS FRICTION MEANS TO YOU? YEAH, I MEAN THERE'S, I I ALWAYS USE KIND OF THE CONTEXT FROM PUBLIC LAND MANAGEMENT, WHICH LOOKS AT, UM, THE THREE E'S OF ENGINEERING, EDUCATION AND ENFORCEMENT. UM, WE NEED TO, [01:25:01] YOU KNOW, ENGINEER OUR DESTINATION TO ALLOW FOR THE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE. UM, THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT I DO. I THINK THAT'S REALLY AN ANDY'S WHEELHOUSE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. UM, BUT EDUCATE PEOPLE ON HOW TO DO THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, EDUCATE THEM MORE ABOUT HOW TO USE A ROUNDABOUT, EDUCATE THEM TO MAYBE BUY A RED ROCK PASS BEFORE THEY GET TO THE TRAILHEAD. SO NOW THERE'S LESS OF A WAIT TIME AT, AT THE TRAILHEAD ITSELF GETTING, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE PERSON OR ONE VISITOR TO MOVE MORE QUICKLY AND REDUCE PINCH POINTS AND FRICTION. GETTING THEM TO BE MORE AWARE OF THEIR SURROUNDINGS AND HOW TO MOVE SO THEY DON'T JUST DRIVE INTO SEDONA PARK THEIR CAR AND SAY, WHAT DO I DO NEXT? RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT CAN, THAT CAN LEAD TO FRICTION OR FRANKLY CONGESTION AT DIFFERENT TIMES. SO A MORE INFORMED VISITOR, I LIKE TO USE THE TERMINOLOGY LIKE HOW DO WE CREATE A SMARTER VISITOR IS ALWAYS KIND OF THE CHALLENGE THAT I WAKE UP OF THINKING A LOT OF THE TIME, WHICH IS A LITTLE WEIRD, I KNOW. BUT, UM, DEFINITELY LIKE AN, AN OUTCOME OF THAT AS A SMARTER VISITOR WHO CREATES LESS OF AN IMPACT OR CREATES LESS OF A WAKE BEHIND THEM. OKAY. CONTINUE ON. COOL. SO, UM, THE, THE, THE CONCEPT HERE IS THAT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, UP TO TWO, I'M SORRY, UP TO THREE. UM, REALLY TWO OR THREE, UM, DIGITAL INFORMATION KIOSKS THAT WOULD BE LOCATED OUTDOORS AND PRIORITY VISITOR LOCATIONS. UM, THE, NONE OF THESE ARE CONFIRMED. UM, WE WOULD REALLY GO INTO THAT ACTUAL CONFIRMATION PROCESS IF THIS IS APPROVED. BUT LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, LOCATIONS IN UPTOWN AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE FLOATED THIS TO WENDY AND AK. SHE'S BY NO MEANS SAID, YES, I'M ON BOARD, BUT SHE HASN'T SAID NO. SHE DEFINITELY SAID I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE. UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, WHERE, WHERE THAT ONE'S AT. I THINK DEFINITELY CONVERSATIONS AROUND THE PARKING GARAGE. I LOVE THAT POINT. UM, THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE ANOTHER TOUCH POINT WITH VISITORS, , WHETHER IT BE A KIOSK, IF THAT'S WHERE WE WANNA PUT ONE. BUT DEFINITELY A A POINT AT WHICH PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR INFORMATION FOR SURE. UM, AND THEN WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, WE REALLY WANTED THEM TO BE LOCATED OUTSIDE. AGAIN, THIS WHOLE CONCEPT OF THINKING OUTSIDE OF A PHYSICAL SPACE IS REALLY WHY WE GOT TO OUTDOOR KIOSKS. BUT THEN WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. SO WE SPENT TIME LOOKING AT TWO SIDED, OR ONE SIDED, TWO SIDED AS A, NOT QUITE DOUBLE, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY MORE THAN A SINGLE SIDED, BUT IT CREATES TWO INTERACTION POINTS RATHER THAN ONE WHICH CAN REDUCE LINES. UM, WE ASKED MANY, MANY TIMES IF THEY WERE GONNA BE HEAT TOLERANT AND CLIMATE CONTROLLED FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY UP TO ABOUT 130 DEGREES, WHICH WE KNOW IS THE GROUND'S HOTTER THAN, BUT I SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEDONA OR ARIZONA RIGHT NOW. AND IT WAS EVEN, WE STARTED ASKING, IT WAS STILL PRETTY HOT. SO, UM, WE FEEL GOOD WITH THAT RESPONSE. UM, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT SIM CARD TECHNOLOGY, SO WE'D BE ABLE TO BASICALLY LOOK AT THIS AS A BIG CELL PHONE ESSENTIALLY AS, AS IT RELATES TO THE DATA PLAN. UM, WOULDN'T BE RELYING ON WIFI AT THAT POINT. UM, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S INSTALLATION COSTS THAT WOULD BE INCURRED IF WE WANTED TO INSTALL THESE OUTSIDE. AND THEN, UM, WHEN CONDUCTED THE REVIEW OF THE VENDORS, WE ASKED FOR A FIVE-YEAR WARRANTY. 'CAUSE I THINK REALLY ONE OF THE AHAS THAT AT LEAST I HAD, AND MAYBE I SHOULDN'T HAVE NEEDED AN AHA FOR IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ASKING FOR A, A A, A DECISION PACKAGE. BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S AN ANNUAL REQUEST. IT'S SORT OF A ONE-TIME REQUEST, BUT THEN IT WAS, OKAY, BUT WHEN WOULD THE NEXT LARGE REQUEST COME? AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, WHERE WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR WARRANTY ON ANY OF THE VENDORS THAT WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING. UM, AND THEN LAUREN ALLUDED TO THIS A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY HAD A LITTLE CONVERSATION AROUND THE BOOK, BOOK DIRECT FUNCTIONS, BUT, UM, THIS IS REALLY, WHEN I GET INTO THE, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION ARCHITECTURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONVEY, AND IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO A DIGITAL KIOSK, IT REALLY WOULD BE UNIQUE TO HOW WE'RE LOOKING TO BUILD OUT SCENIC SEDONA, HOW WE WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, THEMING OUR CAMPAIGNS. AND THE EXAMPLE THERE WOULD BE, AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, OUR REDEFINED STEWARDSHIP VIDEO FROM OUR MOST RECENT WINTER CAMPAIGN, IT REALLY SHOWCASES PEOPLE IN A SHUTTLE RIDING, RIDING THE SEDONA SHUTTLE CONNECT OR THE SEDONA SHUTTLE TRAILHEAD ROUTE. THAT'S OUR INSPIRATION POINT. THAT'S THEM SAYING, OH, I DIDN'T REALIZE IF I SAW SOMEBODY ELSE IN SEDONA, THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE IN A SHUTTLE. THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY THEN GO DIRECTLY TO OUR WEBSITE, THEY FIND OUR GETTING AROUND PAGE, IT STARTS TO TALK ABOUT THIS. THEY'VE ALREADY SEEN IT A COUPLE TIMES. AGAIN, IF IT ALL WORKS OUT, THEY BOOK AT A LODGING PROPERTY IN THE CONFIRMATION EMAIL, IT REMINDS 'EM THAT THE SHUTTLE'S A THING. SO THEY CAN THINK ABOUT THAT AND THEN THEY PARK IN THE PARKING GARAGE AND THEY SAY, OH WOW, THAT SHUTTLE THING I'M SEEING NOW FOR THE FOURTH TIME, WE'VE EDUCATED THEM MORE. WE'VE CREATED THAT, THAT KIND OF SMARTER VISITOR. SO THAT IS A THROUGH POINT OF THE KEY, THE KIOSK BEING A MEDIUM THROUGH WHICH WE'RE CONVEYING THIS INFORMATION TO THEM WHEN THEY'RE IN MARKET. AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT OUR TEAM IS DOING PRIOR TO THEM ARRIVING TO SEDONA, BUT IT REINFORCES THAT MESSAGE. SO AGAIN, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BRING THE BOOK DIRECT HOTELS FUNCTION. A LOT OF THIS IS TIED TO THE SIMPLEVIEW CRM THAT WE USE TO MANAGE SCENIC SEDONA. SO THERE'S A COMPLETE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN OUR WEBSITE AND THE EXECUTION OF THE KIOSK STRATEGY. IT'S NOT ONE-TO-ONE, BUT WE'RE ALREADY, THE WORK THAT GOT DONE THE LAST TWO YEARS IS PROBABLY 60% OF THE WORK THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO AS IT RELATES TO SETTING UP THE KIOSK FOR LAUNCH. UM, BOOK DIRECT. [01:30:01] AND I THINK THE OTHER POINT TOO, COUNCIL FURMAN, IS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE, PEOPLE DO BOOK DAY OF HOTELS. IT'S NOT THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, BUT BECAUSE IT'S TYPICALLY AN ANCHOR PURCHASE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT OPTIMISTIC THAT WE'LL GET A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT ON A HOTEL BOOKING, BUT BOOK DIRECT TOURS IS THE ONE THAT WE HAVE LOOKED INTO. THAT ONE IS MORE COMPLICATED. THERE'S LESS CONNECTIVITY TO THE RESERVATION SYSTEMS FOR ACTIVITIES. UM, SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SHOW PRICING AS MUCH AS WE'D BE ABLE TO SHOW FOR THE HOTELS. BUT, UM, THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY A MODULE THAT WE HAVE SET UP. THAT WOULD BE A NEW MODULE WE WOULD, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO EXPLORE. BUT I LOOK AT, AT IT AS I USED TO, I USED TO LIVE IN NEW ZEALAND FOR A LITTLE BIT, AND WHEN YOU GOT INTO THE COMMUNITY, THERE WERE ALL THE POTENTIALLY VISITOR CENTERS, BUT SORT OF TOUR OPERATOR CONCIERGES, AND YOU COULD WALK IN AND BOOK, BOOK YOUR BUNGEE, BOOK YOUR JET BOAT DIRECTLY WITH A PERSON. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO HAVE THAT HERE, BUT THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT IF WE WANTED TO PURSUE THAT MODULE. UM, THE DIGITAL TRAIL MAP, I KNOW THAT AT LEAST, UM, I HAD A CHANCE TO SHARE THIS WITH, UM, TWO OF YOU AT THE LODGING COUNCIL TODAY, BUT, UH, WE HAVE BEEN MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR DIGITAL TRAIL MAPPING STRATEGY, WHICH I THINK HAS A REALLY STRONG APPLICATION FOR THIS CONCEPT. UM, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH IT WITHOUT THIS CONCEPT AS, AS WELL. UM, BUT BASICALLY WE'VE GOTTEN ACCESS TO THE, UM, BACKEND OF THE PUBLIC LANDS PORTAL WITHIN ALL TRAILS, WHICH WE ARE VERY CONFIDENT AS A HIGHLY USED APP FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE HIKING AROUND SEDONA. IF YOU TYPE IN HIKING IN SEDONA, IT'S THE FIRST THING THAT POPS UP. UM, WE CAN ESSENTIALLY CURATE OUR OWN CUSTOM MAPS WITHIN ALL TRAILS. SO WE CAN DEFINE THE TRAILS THAT SHOW UP ON THE MAP. UM, IT DOESN'T REMOVE THEM FROM ALL TRAILS. IT JUST FROM OUR CURATION WHEN WE ARE DOING THE INSPIRE PLAN BOOK TRIP, UM, THAT'S ALL YOU WOULD SEE IF WE LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD, WHICH WE KNOW WE DON'T, BUT IT'S THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO. UM, AND WHAT WE'RE ALSO DOING IS, A SIDE NOTE IS WE KNOW THAT THE SOCIAL TRAILS ARE ON ALL TRAILS. UM, I MET WITH THEM THIS MONTH AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN HELP, UM, LOOKING AT GETTING A VENDOR ON BOARD TO GO INTO OPEN STREETE MAPS WHERE WE CAN RECATEGORIZE THE PRESENTATION OF SOCIAL TRAILS OR NON-SYSTEM TRAILS AND THAT ESSENTIALLY DEPRIORITIZES THEM ON THIS. SO, UM, THAT'S PART OF OUR DIGITAL TRAIL MAP STRATEGY. WHAT'S REALLY EXCITING IS IF IT'S DONE IN THIS FORMAT, IF WE'RE JUST DOING IT IN PLAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN WE'VE TOLD THEM BEFORE THEY'RE HERE HYPOTHETICALLY, YOU KNOW, I CAN TOGGLE ON AND OFF TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE DAY, WHICH THEN MEANS THAT IF I HEAR THAT THERE'S A PART OF, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC LANDS THAT ARE CONGESTED, WE COULD JUST TAKE THAT OFF THE TRAIL IF WE KNOW THAT THERE'S AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE AT THE, AT THE, AT THE PARKING GARAGE. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY TO, TO DO THAT TODAY, BUT IT PROVIDES THIS REALLY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO POTENTIALLY KIND OF OPEN AND CLOSE CHANNELS OR LANES TO DIFFERENT TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE DAY. AND THAT IF WE DID THAT, IT'D BE MUCH MORE SUCCESSFUL IF WE HAD THIS SORT OF PHYSICAL TOUCHPOINT AT A KIOSK WHERE PEOPLE ARE WALKING AROUND. I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE AS SUCCESSFUL IF WE NEEDED SOMEBODY TO KNOW THAT THEY HAD TO GET TO OUR WEBSITE OR SOMEONE ELSE'S, UM, PLACES TO EAT. UM, THAT'S A PRETTY OBVIOUS ONE. IT'S BASICALLY A, A A, A RESTAURANT GUY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE ABLE TO HAVE UP MAYBE BUY CUISINE TYPE AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO GET PEOPLE TO THINK OF THAT. WE ALREADY MENTIONED THE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE BOT. UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. I HAVE TALKED TO SOME OF MY DMO FRIENDS THAT ARE, THAT ARE JUMPED, THAT HAVE JUMPED INTO THIS. SOME OF THEM HAVE FOUND SUCCESS, SOME OF THEM HAVE NOT. UM, SO I THINK IT'S ONE THAT WE DEFINITELY EXPLORE, UM, THE UTILITY OF, UM, BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE LAUNCHED IT. UM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF WALKING TOURS, YOU KNOW, THIS IDEA OF PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT IS ANOTHER WAY TO SAY WALKING TOURS AROUND TOWN. UM, REALLY INSPIRING PEOPLE TO DO THINGS RIGHT. I MEAN, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE PARTS OF THE INFORMATION ARCHITECTURE BUILD OUT IS PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT FOR US. WE STARTED WITH HIKING. WE'D LOVE TO GET INTO BIKING. MAYBE THERE'S CULTURAL CLASSES THAT YOU CAN GO TO. MAYBE THERE'S A VERDE VALLEY WINE TRAIL, MAYBE THERE'S AUDIO TOURS THAT GET SET UP. IT JUST GIVES PEOPLE THINGS TO DO. AND AGAIN, IT'S CURATING THE WAY THAT PEOPLE CONSUME SEDONA AND THIS BEING ANOTHER MEDIUM THROUGH WHICH THEY CAN DO THAT. EMERGENCY ALERTS, THAT'S PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY. UM, HISTORIC SITES IS KIND OF TIED TO THAT PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THINGS. EVENTS, UM, PURCHASE OF RED ROCK PASS. BY NO MEANS ARE THESE IN ORDER OF IMPORTANCE, BY THE WAY. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT. BUT, UM, PURCHASE OF RED ROCK PASS. AGAIN, IF WE GET THEM TO DO THAT BEFORE THEY GET TO THE TRAILHEAD, NOW WE'VE REDUCED FRICTION AT THE TRAILHEAD. UM, PHOTO BOOTH. FUN IDEA. YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS, I'VE ALWAYS FLOATED THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, A A DEVIL'S BRIDGE BACKDROP, GET YOUR PICTURE HERE AND THEN, AND THEN GO HIKE LATER. YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME FUN WITH IT. UM, MAPPING DIRECTIONS. THAT'S KINDA LIKE A GOOGLE, GOOGLE FUNCTION. UM, DIGITAL BROCHURES, SELF-EXPLANATORY. UM, ITINERARY BUILDER, THIS IS ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, I, WE'VE TALKED TO FOLKS, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON KIND OF HOW SUCCESSFUL THIS IS. IT DOES MEAN THAT THEY'RE ON THE KIOSK FOR LONGER, TYPICALLY, IF YOU'RE DOING THAT. BUT, UH, WE'LL KIND OF GET TO IT. BUT THERE IS, UM, SORT OF AN AUTOMATIC TIME LIMIT YOU COULD SEND TO KICK PEOPLE OUT TO EXPERIENCE IT ON THEIR PHONE, WHICH IS WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE FOLKS IS, YOU KNOW, GET THEM ON THEIR PHONE AND THEN THEY CAN HAVE A DEEPER ENGAGEMENT. SO IT'S REALLY THE, THE INTERACTION THAT GETS THEM TO WANNA LEARN MORE, BUT IT'S HARDER TO GET THEM TO WANNA LEARN MORE WITHOUT THE INTERACTION, ESSENTIALLY. UM, PLACES TO SHOP [01:35:01] VISITOR EDUCATION, SAFETY INFORMATION, WE SAID THE VERDE VALLEY WINE TRAIL, UM, COMMUNITY PARKS. AND THEN TO KIND OF BUILD ON DAVID'S COMMENT, YOU KNOW, COULD WE BUILD IN SOME SORT OF VISITOR SURVEY COMPONENT? UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON INTERCEPT STUDIES. COULD WE DO KIND OF A SHOESTRING ONE BY JUST GETTING SOME INFORMATION ON HOW LONG YOU'RE SAYING HOW MUCH YOU SPEND, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, UM, THAT'S JUST A RANDOM SMATTERING OF, OF ONES I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF I WAS GONNA PUT THESE IN ORDER OF IMPORTANCE, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY BUSINESS INFORMATION, UM, DEFINITELY THE TRAIL MAP, THE RED ROCK PASS, THE SHUTTLE INFORMATION, I MEAN THOSE TO ME IS WHAT WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO WHEN THEY INTERFACE WITH THE KIOSK. ANDREW, I'M THINKING THAT THAT ONE COMPONENT YOU TALKED ABOUT ON TRAILS THAT YOU CAN, UH, ESPECIALLY OLD TRAILS, THAT IS A PROBLEM WITH, UH, MANY PARTS OF THE CITY WHERE PEOPLE ARE CREATING THEIR OWN TRAILS, SOCIAL TRAILS, AND ALL TRAILS HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM TO STOP THE PEOPLE FROM COMING IN. I KNOW I'VE HAD IT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AT OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. I THINK MYSTIC HILLS HAS ALSO HAD A PROBLEM. SO THAT IN ITSELF IT WOULD BE A HUGE, UH, IMPROVEMENT. AND I'M SURE YOU'LL BE WORKING WITH THE FOREST SERVICE IF THEY LET YOU KNOW THERE'S A CERTAIN AREA THAT THEY DON'T WANT SOCIAL TRAILS THAT YOU COULD WORK AT. UH, TURNING THOSE OFF THE WAY YOU SAID. YEAH, AND IN THEORY, THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD WITH. UM, YOU KNOW, WE MET WITH A GENTLEMAN IN NEW MEXICO THAT'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR THE FOREST SERVICE THERE. UM, HE ESSENTIALLY HANDED ME THE, THE, THE, THE PLAYBOOK , HERE'S HOW YOU DO THIS. UM, AND ONCE WE GET, UM, THE VENDOR THAT I'VE IDENTIFIED UNDER AGREEMENT, UM, MY GOAL WOULD BE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE FOREST SERVICE AND THEY JUST SAY BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM. AND THEN WE GO IN. UH, IT'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE TURNOVER. I THINK ALL TRAILS PULLS THE BASE MAP UP. I THINK IT'S EVERY TWO TO THREE MONTHS, BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE A PATH FORWARD, UM, WHICH I WAS REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR. IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, WHAT I'VE GATHERED, THIS WAS SORT OF A COMPROMISE THAT GOT MADE WITHIN THE LAST 12 MONTHS BETWEEN THE US FOREST SERVICE AND THE MAP PROVIDERS. AND THIS WOULD EXTEND TO GAIA AS WELL AND, AND OTHER ONES. IT'S NOT JUST ALL TRAILS, BUT UM, FOR THE MAPS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED MOVING FORWARD WITH, NOT ONLY IS IT THE CURATION OF THE TRAIL EXPERIENCES THAT WE WANT TO GUIDE PEOPLE TO THROUGHOUT THE VISITOR LIFECYCLE, BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THAT IF THEY WANTED TO EXPLORE MORE WITHIN THAT EXPERIENCE, THAT THEY ONLY CAN REALLY SEE THE PROMINENTLY FEATURED FOREST SERVICE SYSTEM TRAILS. GREAT, THANK YOU. AND I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, SO THAT IS ONLY ON OUR PLATFORM THOUGH. THAT IS NOT, IF THEY GO TO ALL TRAILS, THEY WILL STILL BE THERE, BUT AT LEAST FROM WHAT WE CAN CONTROL. SO THE SOCIAL TRAIL, SO THERE'S TWO THINGS. ONE IS THE CUSTOM MAPS AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE REMOVAL OF THE SOCIAL TRAILS ON THE BASE LAYER, THE REMOVAL ON THE, SO THE REMOVAL OF THE SOCIAL TRAILS ON THE BASE LAYER HAPPENS ACROSS ALL TRAILS. GOT IT. THE CUSTOM MAP. SO RATHER THAN SEEING THE WHOLE TRAIL SYSTEM AS AN OPTION, THE CUSTOM MAP SHOW YOU THE HIKES. IT'S, I MEAN, GIVEN THE SEDONA CONTEXT, IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE CITY'S TOURISM PROGRAMS VERSION OF THE SECRET SEVEN. UM, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY US DOING THAT, WE'VE GOT SIGNATURE HIKES, SOLITUDE HIKES, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO DYNAMICALLY CHANGE WHAT THOSE ARE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN I THINK THE PREVIOUS, THE PREVIOUS CAMPAIGN. UM, SO YEAH, THERE'S TWO WINS HERE. ONE IS WE CAN, WE CAN CONTROL THE NARRATIVE AROUND WHAT WE WANT YOU TO HIKE AND WE CAN SHARE THAT WITH EVERYBODY AND WE CAN CHANGE IT IN REAL TIME. AND THEN SIDE TO THAT, UM, WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS EXPLORATION OF A PARTNERSHIP TO DO WHAT WE'VE SEEN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY DO, WHICH IS REMOVE SOCIAL TRAILS FROM THE BASE LAYER. EXCELLENT. THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO INTO THE NEXT SLIDE? OR WE CAN, THERE'S TWO MORE LEFT, SO WHY DON'T WE JUST FINISH IT UP. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. UM, AND HERE'S JUST KIND OF OTHER, OTHER PRESENTATIONS OF THE, OF THE TECHNOLOGY. THIS IS KIND OF THE MOBILE APP VERSION THAT YOU'RE SEEING AT THIS POINT. UM, AND THEN THERE ARE SORT OF THESE DIFFERENT SQUARES BECOME THE INTERACTIVE KIND OF TOUCH POINTS THERE. SO, UM, EVEN THEN YOU'RE SEEING SORT OF THE MAPPING FUNCTION, AVAILABILITY YOU'RE SEEING SORT OF LIKE ASSUME KIND OF THINGS TO DO UP THERE AND THEN THAT'S JUST ANOTHER INTERFACE. HOW MUCH STAFF TIME'S REQUIRED DO YOU FEEL TO FULFILL ALL THESE, UH, ITEMS TO KEEP UPDATING THEM AND YEAH, IT, IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE CHATTED ABOUT WITH LAUREN A. LITTLE BIT. I'D SAY THAT, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HEARD. UM, I GOTTEN SPECIFIC TESTIMONIALS FROM FOUR DIFFERENT DS, UM, ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH, WITH THESE. THEY SAY THAT IT'S, YOU NEED TO HAVE A LEAD CONTACT BASICALLY FOR THE, FOR THE ARCHITECTURE. I THINK THAT EACH OF THESE LIKE BROS OR CELLS I GUESS, UM, COULD MAYBE HAVE A DIFFERENT OWNER. JAMES AND OUR TEAM HAS BEEN REALLY LEADING THE SIMPLE VIEW ARCHITECTURE. SO HE'S ALREADY DONE A LOT OF THAT, WHICH IS WHAT I KIND OF MEAN. IT'S ALREADY KIND OF BEEN DONE, BUT REQUIRES ONGOING MAINTENANCE. SO I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, JAMES, REALLY THIS WOULD EXTEND INTO HIS EXISTING ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ALL TRAILS ARCHITECTURE, I'VE GOT EXPERIENCE WITH THAT. [01:40:01] I'D PROBABLY KEEP THAT WITHIN MY WHEELHOUSE, BUT KEEGAN'S BEEN A REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL PARTNER IN THAT. AND KIND OF THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE TRAILS, I'M NOT AN AUTHORITY ON THAT, SO I REALLY LOOK TO THE TEAM FOR IT. BUT THE, THE STRATEGY, THE CONCEPT THAT WOULD STICK WITH ME. AND THEN, UM, OTHER ASPECTS OF THIS I SEE WITH THE DESTINATION DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY HIRING THE APPLICATION CLOSES IN EIGHT DAYS, I BELIEVE. SO, UM, I THINK IT'D BE EACH OF THE CELLS WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN KIND OF OWNERS, BUT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY IT WOULD ALL SIT UNDERNEATH KIND OF, KIND OF MY PURVIEW AT THAT POINT. ALRIGHT, GREAT. THANK YOU LAUREN. YEAH, IT IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT AND MAINLY BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA DO THIS IF IT'S NOT AMAZING, CORRECT. IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, HALF COOL , I'M NOT INTERESTED IN IT, IT NEEDS TO BE A GREAT USER EXPERIENCE AND IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY USEFUL TO THE VISITORS. SO THAT USUALLY MEANS THAT SOMEONE HAS TO TAKE THE CARE AND THE TIME TO REALLY METICULOUSLY MAKE SURE THAT THE CONTENT, THE WORKFLOW, THE UM, THE USER EXPERIENCE, ALL OF THAT HAS TO BE TOP NOTCH. SO I'M WATCHING, I'M WATCHING THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED OF HOW MUCH STAFF TIME IT'S GONNA TAKE. I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE MORE THAN MORE THAN WE THINK IT IS, BUT WE DID, LIKE ANDREW SAID, UM, BUILD SOME OF THE, UM, NEW POSITION. WE BUILT SOME OF THAT, UH, INTO THAT. SO WOULD THAT BE FOUR HOURS A DAY, FIVE HOURS A DAY, OR EVERY OTHER DAY? WHAT'S YOUR, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT? UM, I THINK WE WOULD TAKE KIND OF ONE CELL AT A TIME. I THINK I WOULD START WITH, I MEAN WE DON'T NEED ALL THESE CELLS, NOR WOULD WE MAYBE END UP WITH ALL THESE CELLS. I MEAN, INFORMATION OVERLOADS IMPORTANT. IT'S KINDA LIKE, WHAT DO WE REALLY WANT THEM TO KNOW? AND WE CAN MAKE IT SEASONAL TOO. YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE A MORE MANAGEMENT FOCUSED PRESENTATION OF THE INFORMATION DURING HIGH SEASON AND A MORE EXPERIENTIAL FOCUSED, FOR EXAMPLE. RIGHT? I MEAN THAT'S, THERE'S, WE CAN CHANGE THIS IN REAL TIME. UM, I THINK AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS HAS BEEN SET UP. WE WITH A SIMPLE VIEW OF IT. AND THEN I THINK THAT WE WOULD WANT TO PRIORITIZE LIKE THE SEDONA SHUTTLE INTEGRATION, THE RED ROCK PASS AND PROBABLY THE DIGITAL TRAIL MAP AND YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S KIND OF FRONT, FRONT HEAVY, BUT HOLD ULTIMATELY THEN IT BECOMES AN ONGOING WELL, I UNDERSTAND MAINTENANCE. YEAH. THANK YOU KATHY. YEAH, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR 'CAUSE I THINK THE MAYOR RAISED A GOOD POINT. UM, YOU, THIS ISN'T WHAT, IF WE WENT FORWARD WITH THIS, IT WOULD NOT TRANSLATE INTO THE REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL STAFFING. YOU, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ABSORBING THIS WITHIN THE POSITIONS IN THE, YOUR DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY. IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. JUST WANTED THAT TO BE CLEAR. THANK YOU. PETE, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE SOMETHING. I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. YEAH, I'LL, I'LL TAKE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO, UH, ANDREW, YOU TALKED ABOUT WHETHER PROTECTION, I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT SUN SCREENING AND THE BAD EXPERIENCE AT THE GAS STATION, PAYMENT STATIONS WHERE IT GETS BLEACHED OUT. YOU CAN'T SEE, THAT'S ALSO IN YOUR, IT'S NOT JUST TEMPERATURE, YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT SUN DAMAGE UV. YEP. UV. AND THEN TO KIND OF FOLLOW UP ON THIS, YOU, YOU SPENT MOST OF YOUR TIME TALKING ABOUT KIOSK, BUT THEN THE PICTURE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, IT'S APPS ARE, ARE WE DOING, IF WE BUY THE KIOSKS, IS THERE AN APP THAT COMES WITH IT AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME INFORMATION, THE SAME UI, THE SAME, IT COULD BE POTENTIAL THAT IN THE END MANY MORE PEOPLE USE THE APP THAN THE KIOSK. THAT'S OKAY. YEAH, I THINK FOR US IT'S HOW MANY FOLKS ARE GETTING ACCESS TO VISITOR SERVICES WHILE THEY'RE IN MARKET AND WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN INSTIGATE THE ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION? YEP, YEP. I THINK THAT'S AWESOME. AND I, I, I, I FAVOR THAT BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT LAUREN, AS YOU SAID, WELL DONE AN AWESOME APP, YOU KNOW, COULD BE A SUPER SUCCESS. OKAY. AND, AND, AND VERY HELPFUL. AND THEN YOU TALKED ABOUT DATA FROM YOUR KIOSKS. UH, I'M ASSUMING WE COULD ALSO GET, YOU KNOW, THAT THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN, HOW'S THE, HOW'S THE APP DOING? OR YEAH, DOES THE APP ITSELF GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK OR HOW MANY, HOW MUCH USAGE THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS ARE GETTING AND WE'LL KNOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE SPENDING THEIR TIME AND YEAH, WE WOULD GET THAT. AND THEN I THINK THAT KIND OF VISITOR SURVEY ONE IS THE FEEDBACK CONCEPT WHERE WE COULD ASK THEM QUESTIONS, BUT YEAH, WE'D BE ABLE TO SEE USER SESSIONS, WHAT THEY CLICKED ON, HOW LONG THEY WERE THERE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND THEN I THINK, UH, DAVID IS PROBABLY A QUESTION TO YOU IS THAT I FAVOR THE, THE CONCEPT, THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS KIND OF THING, BUT IT WOULD SEEM TO ME TO BE VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A COMMON [01:45:01] APPROACH TO OUR VISITORS AND THE FOLKS IN THE VISITORS CENTER MIGHT ALSO HAVE THE APP AND USE THAT TO GUIDE THEIR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE VISITORS. I THINK IT'S REALLY ONE VOICE IS ONE OF MY CONCERNS. ANOTHER ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT IT COULD BE ONE OF THE BEST WAYS FOR US TO GET FEEDBACK SORT OF WITH PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW IN-HOUSE ABOUT HOW'S THE APP DOING? WHAT'S WORKING WELL, WHAT'S NOT WORKING WELL? WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT DAVID ON WHEN WE OPERATE THE VISITOR'S CENTER? WHAT'S THE INTEGRATION WITH THAT KIOSK OUTSIDE GONNA BE, OR THE APP PEOPLE COULD SHOW, THE VISITORS MIGHT ACTUALLY COME IN AND SAY, I'VE SEEN THIS, BUT TELL ME MORE ABOUT THIS OR WHATEVER. I'D LOVE TO SEE IT. I'M COMMITTED TO UNIFIED APPROACH AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE KIND OF CHARTING SOME NEW TERRITORY AND FIGURING OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. BUT I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF, AS I MENTIONED, THINKING LONG TERM, THINKING STRATEGICALLY COMING IN LINE WITH A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE, WHICH COULD BE, YOU KNOW, JOINT AROUND THIS APP AND MAYBE THERE'S AN IPAD. I COULD TELL YOU SOME OF THE FOLKS ARE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE KEEN TO BE PULLING UP AN IPAD EACH TIME. LIKE I SAID, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF UP HERE. BUT I THINK IT'D BE GREAT FOR A NEW STAFF MEMBER, A NEW VOLUNTEER TO HAVE A GREAT BASE OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMEBODY THAT JUST REALLY WANTS TO HELP, BUT MAYBE THEY'RE NEW TO TOWN. WE SEE THAT ALL THE TIME. PEOPLE LOVE TO HELP AND GET ENGAGED. BUT LIKE I COULD TELL YOU, I COULD ONLY RECOMMEND A HANDFUL OF TRAILS MYSELF. UM, SO I, I THINK, YEAH, I THINK IT, IT PROVES TO BE A, A PIVOTAL PART OF THAT UNIFIED APPROACH AND, AND STANDARDIZING, UM, HOW WE INTERACT WITH FOLKS AND, AND WHERE WE LEAD THEM AND, AND UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE LEAD THEM SOMEWHERE, ARE THEY GOING THERE, RIGHT? SO I THINK THE APP CAN RECONFIRM SOME OF THOSE ASSUMPTIONS. GREAT. THANK YOU DAVID. THANK YOU MAYOR. ALRIGHT, LET'S GO ON TO THE LAST, UH, SLIDE AND UH, THEN WE'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC. YEP. UM, SO WE ARE BASICALLY, UM, HAVE THE DECISION PACKAGES FOR $115,000. UM, LEMME STEP IN. YEP. I'LL TAKE IT A BREAK. YEP. UM, SO THIS WAS COMING TO YOU AS A DECISION PACKAGE FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, BUT WITH SALARY SAVINGS, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HIRED OUR COORDINATOR UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR. THERE IS MONEY IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. THE CITY MANAGER HAS THE PROCUREMENT AUTHORITY TO PURCHASE SOMETHING UNDER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. BUT BECAUSE I HAD ALREADY TEED IT UP AS A DECISION PACKAGE, WE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS REALLY BEST TO TAKE IT TO YOU, UM, TONIGHT TO SEE IF YOU GUYS WANT US TO ACCELERATE THIS AND PURCHASE IT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET 'CAUSE IT IS A POSSIBILITY. SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE WITH THIS ITEM SPECIFICALLY. IT'S $115,000 TOTAL, UM, 90,000 IN KIOSKS, THAT'S ONE TIME, UM, 10,000 IN ANNUAL LICENSING AND SUPPORT. THAT OBVIOUSLY IS, UM, ONGOING 5,000 FOR ANNUAL SIM CARDS SLASH CELL CELLULAR CONNECTIVITY. UM, THAT'S GONNA BE ONGOING. AND THEN 10,000 IN INSTALLATION COSTS. I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO HERE. IT CAN BE AS SIMPLE AS ROLLING 'EM UP AND, YOU KNOW, DRILLING 'EM INTO THE GROUND AND MAKING SURE THAT I HAVE A POWER SOURCE OR IT CAN BE MORE COMPLICATED WITH DO I NEED TO BREAK INTO CONCRETE? UM, BUT THIS WAS THE BEST THAT OUR PUBLIC WORKS COULD TE TEAM COULD TELL US WITH THE LIMITED INFORMATION I HAD. SO I JUST TOOK A, A REALLY BALLPARK GUESS. UM, I HAVE BEEN IN TALKS WITH BOB ABOUT, UM, IF WE DO DO IT IN THE PARKING GARAGE, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN THAT BE ACCOMMODATED? AND HE'S VERY WILLING TO, UM, WORK WITH ME ON THAT. SO, UM, THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT IS, AND I GUESS WE'RE GONNA, UM, JOIN IT WITH THE, THE VISITOR CENTER IS, UM, THE PREVIOUS VISITOR CENTER QUESTION. AND THEN DO YOU WANT US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PURCHASING THE DIGITAL KIOSKS IN THIS FISCAL YEAR? UM, IN TERMS OF STAFFING, THAT WILL DEFINITELY BE MORE INTENSIVE ON US. UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS, I THINK A, A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE A BIG PROJECT, ME AND ANDREW SAY, OKAY, BY APRIL OF NEXT YEAR, WE'LL WE'LL START TO GET THAT, UM, IN THE WORKS THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY, UM, IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY ACCELERATE ALL OF THAT. WE WOULD HAVE THEM, UM, SHIPPED IN HERE BEFORE THE END OF JUNE. LIKE WE HAVE TO, UM, WITH OUR BUDGET REQUIREMENTS, UH, AND THEN, AND THEN WORK ON OBVIOUSLY GETTING, GETTING THE CONTENT POPULATED. SO, OKAY. KATHY, AND THEN, UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA DISCUSS THIS, THIS UNTIL WE HEAR THE PUBLIC, SO OKAY. THERE'S A QUESTION YEAH. FOR THIS. THANK YOU. UM, SO AGAIN, BACK TO THE, THE INTEGRATION WITH APPS ON YOUR PHONE, THE COST FOR THAT IS INCLUDED IN THIS SLIDE? CORRECT. AND WHAT ABOUT UPGRADES THAT WILL BE NEEDED TO THE APP ONGOING? THAT WOULD BE ON US AS OPPOSED TO AN INDEPENDENT USER THAT DOWNLOADED IT? CORRECT. SO HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT, I'M JUST TRYING TO KNOW ABOUT WHAT THE ONGOING, WHAT THE FUTURE COSTS MIGHT BE ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH WHAT. YEAH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S UNDER THAT KIND OF ANNUAL LICENSING AND SUPPORT. SO THAT'S THE, THAT WOULD INCLUDES THE ANNUAL SOFTWARE SOFTWARE FEES. SO THERE'S KIND OF THE, THERE'S KIND OF THE ONE, IT'S THE ONETIME FEES ARE SORT OF THE, THE [01:50:01] HARDWARE ITSELF. THAT'S A BIG CHUNK OF IT, BUT THEN IT IS SETTING UP THE DIFFERENT APPS, BUT THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF THEM WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, INCLUDED IN THAT LICENSING AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. OKAY. CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU VOTE? YES. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO NOW, AND THEN I'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC PLEASE. YEAH. HI. SO I'M GONNA GO BACK TO YOUR PROPOSED LOCATIONS. I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT METHODOLOGY YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THEM. UM, YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW WHERE PEOPLE HANG OUT AND, YOU KNOW, ARE THEREFORE THOSE THE RIGHT PLACES TO, TO, TO PUT THEM? THAT SORT OF THING? 'CAUSE THIS IS A, A FAIRLY LARGE INVESTMENT AS A, YOU KNOW, UH, PILOT, RIGHT. UM, FOR US TO TRY AND PEOPLE COULD GET HOOKED ON IT AND THEN WE TAKE IT AWAY, WHICH IS LIKE NEVER A GOOD THING . SO I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT METHODOLOGY YOU'RE PLANNING ON USING. AND LET ME GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND IN MY HEAD IS WHEN WE SAY WE HAVE 75,000 PEOPLE COMING TO THE VISITOR CENTER OF THREE AND A HALF MILLION, UM, THAT MIGHT BE ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE THREE AND A HALF MILLION WHO EVER GO TO THE VISITOR CENTER, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. SO WHERE ARE ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE? SO I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT THE METHODOLOGY WAS YOU WERE GONNA USE FOR, TO DETERMINE WHERE YOU WERE GONNA PUT THESE TWO OR THREE, UH, KIOSKS. SO CAN I JUST ASK THAT MAKES SENSE. UH, THE QUESTION LIKE, WE ARE DISCUSSING THE BUDGET IMPLI IMPLICATIONS AND THE FINANCING, NOT THE PICKING OF THE LOCATIONS THAT COULD BE DONE LATER. YOU HAVE TO DECIDE, DO WE WANNA HAVE THESE, UH, UNITS OR NOT? OKAY. BUT BECAUSE WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE IN THE PARKING GARAGE, WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE IN, UH, ARIA, WHERE WHEREVER IT'S GONNA BE, WE CAN ALWAYS DISCUSS THAT WE JUST NEED TO GET MOVING WITH THE ITEMS THEMSELVES. CAN I, CAN I OFFER A COMMENT THAT WOULD HELP ME CLOSE THE LOOP? UM, I THINK THAT WE CAN DO MORE RESEARCH IN THIS. THIS WAS ME AND ANDREW AND THE TAB THINKING, WHERE DO WE THINK WE SEE THE MOST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE? WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A LINE OUT THE DOOR OF THE VISITOR CENTER SOMETIMES THAT MAYBE WE COULD CAPTURE SOME PEOPLE WITH THERE. SO THAT'S WHY THAT WAS LOCATED THERE. UM, THE PARKING GARAGE IS AN EASY ONE FROM AN INSTALLATION STANDPOINT. 278 CARS 72 272 72. UM, GIVE, GIVE OR TAKE. AND THEN, YEAH, AND THEN OF COURSE MIDBLOCK FOR ME, UM, WHEN I'M DRIVING, THAT'S ALWAYS WHERE I SEE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE GOING LIKE THIS. UM, AND TO LOCK AK, OF COURSE WE KNOW THAT'S ONE OF OUR TOP DESTINATIONS, BUT WITH ALL OF THAT SAID, UM, I THINK WE DO NEED TO DO A MORE THOROUGH UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND WHERE THE BEST TOUCH POINTS ARE FOR THEM. YEAH. AND I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT WHERE NOT TO PUT THEM AS WELL. UM, AND WE REALLY DIDN'T FIND, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE IN WEST SEDONA THAT MADE SENSE TO US. SO THAT THAT WAS SORT OF, SO WE KIND OF DID PROCESS ELIMINATION. AND THEN WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA? AND I THINK ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE QUESTION MARKS IS WE MIGHT FIND A GREAT LOCATION THAT WE THINK WE KNOW HAS A LOT OF VISITORS, BUT THEN THE INSTALLATION COST WOULD BE UNREAL. WE'D HAVE TO RUN GROUND WIRE UNDER THE ROAD THAT WOULD PROBABLY NOT MAKE IT TO THE TOP. SO THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF A MATRIX THAT WE'VE GOT THAT I HOPE THAT LAUREN AND I COMMENTED ON, BUT WE WOULD, THIS WOULD PUT US IN A POSITION TO DO A MUCH DEEPER REVIEW AND VALIDATE SOME OF THE QUE SOME OF THE UNKNOWNS THAT WE HAVE. BUT LAUREN, I THINK YOU RAISED A VERY GOOD POINT. THIS CAN GO TO, TO THE TAB, LET THEM DECIDE AND THEY'LL DO THE RESEARCH. SO, UH, BRIAN, YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ASK OR? NO, I'LL, I'LL WAIT FOR A DISCUSSION. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. LET'S GO TO THE PUBLIC. UH, CRAIG SWANSON. YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY CHERYL BARON. HI, MY NAME IS CRAIG SWANSON, RESIDENT OF SEDONA, AND I'M ON THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD TO YOUR, UH, POINT ABOUT THE BLANK SLATE. WE, I THINK STARTED WITH A BLANK SLATE, BUT THE FIRST THING EVERYBODY ON TAB FILLED IN WAS THE PHYSICAL VISITOR CENTER ONTO A BLANK SLATE. NONE OF US COULD IMAGINE HAVING VISITOR SERVICES IN SEDONA WITHOUT A PHYSICAL VISITOR CENTER. THERE ARE SIMPLY TOO MANY PEOPLE WHO WOULD NOT USE SOLELY ELECTRONIC MEANS, WHO NEED THAT FACE-TO-FACE INTERACTION. AND ABOUT THAT, ON PAGE 180 7 OF YOUR PACKET, IT TALKS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE VISITOR CENTER SEES 10.7% OF THE UNIQUE VISITORS. BUT I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER PORTION OF THAT THAT'S NOT BEING RECOGNIZED IS THAT IT'S THE FIRST TIME VISITORS THAT WE REALLY WANT TO CAPTURE. THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME, HAVEN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE. DON'T KNOW. THE ETIQUETTE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO. AND MY SUSPICION IS THE NUMBER OF FIRST TIME VISITORS WHO COME TO THE VISITOR CENTER IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN 10.7%. SO IT FURTHER [01:55:01] SUGGESTS THAT THE PHYSICAL VISITOR CENTER IS A REALLY IMPORTANT THING. UH, THE OTHER THING THAT WE ALL FILLED IN ON THAT BLANK SLATE OF SHEET OF PAPER BESIDES THE PHYSICAL VISITOR CENTER, WAS THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY AND MAKING IT SO THAT PEOPLE DID NOT HAVE TO USE THEIR PHONE. THE KIOSKS ARE A WAY TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION 24 7, WHEREVER THEY EXIST. AND IT'S EASY FOR ANYBODY TO COME UP TO IT AND INTERACT WITH IT AND GET THE KIND OF INFORMATION THEY NEED. IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT'S MORE TECH SAVVY AND THEY WANT TO PUT IT TO THEIR PHONE AND THEY WANT TO USE IT, THEY CAN. AND THIS ALLOWS THEM TO, UH, DO THAT. UM, SO I JUST WANT TO SAY I THINK IT'S A TRUE STATEMENT THAT UNANIMOUSLY TAB BELIEVED THAT THE PHYSICAL VISITOR CENTER IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY FOR A TOWN LIKE SEDONA. AND THAT IF WE DON'T TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE NEW TECHNOLOGIES LIKE A KIOSK, WE'RE MISSING THE BOAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CRAIG. ALRIGHT, CHERYL, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, VICTORIA. HELLO, CHERYL BARON, RESIDENT OF SEDONA. UH, SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IN UPTOWN CHAIRWOMAN OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND PRESIDENT OF THE LODGING COUNCIL, . UM, SO JUST A FEW NOTES. UH, I'M IN FAVOR, VERY STRONG IN FAVOR OF THE VISITOR CENTER FUNDING FOR AN ADDITIONAL YEAR PLUS. UM, AND THANK YOU ANDREW AND LAUREN FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING ON IT, BECAUSE THE DATA THAT THEY'VE BROUGHT TO YOU IS, IS WHAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR, AND IT'S AMAZING DATA FOR US TO USE AS WELL. THE TECHNOLOGY BEING DISCUSSED TODAY WILL CERTAINLY ENHANCE THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE, BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO DEVELOP THE DATA FROM THOSE MACHINES AS WE INTEGRATE NEW TECHNOLOGY. IT'LL TAKE TIME, UM, TO ESTABLISH USER TRENDS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE ARE NOT REPLACING THE PERSONAL TOUCH THAT THE VISITOR CENTER PROVIDES. INSTEAD, THE GOAL SHOULD BE TO ENHANCE IT. THE BLEND OF HUMAN INTERACTION AND TECHNOLOGY WILL ALLOW OUR TEAM TO OFFER THE BEST VISITOR EXPERIENCE. UM, WHETHER YOU ARE A TECHIE OR A VISITOR THAT LIKES PERSONALIZED INTERACTIONS, VISITORS WILL BENEFIT FROM QUICK ACCESS TO INFORMATION THROUGH THESE TOOLS WHILE STILL HAVING THE ABILITY TO TALK WITH A FRIENDLY, KNOWLEDGEABLE, VOLUNTEER AND STAFF AT THE VISITOR CENTER. TOGETHER WE CAN CREATE A WELCOMING AND MEMORABLE EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYONE. BY OPTIMIZING THE SYNERGY BETWEEN TECH AND HUMAN INTERACTION, WE CAN BETTER MEET THE DIVERSE NEEDS OF OUR VISITORS. THIS COMMITMENT WILL ALLOW US TO GATHER AND ANALYZE FEEDBACK MORE EFFICIENTLY. PAVING THE WAY FOR CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT IN OUR SERVICES. THE VISITOR CENTER HAS LONG BEEN A CORNERSTONE OF OUR COMMUNITY, PROVIDING ESSENTIAL INFORMATION THAT FOSTERS A STRONG CONNECTION BETWEEN VISITORS AND LOCAL BUSINESSES. THIS FUNDING IS CRUCIAL, NOT JUST FOR MAINTAINING OPERATIONS, BUT ALSO FOR THE GROWTH AND VITALITY OF OUR LOCAL ECONOMY. SO THANK YOU, UM, FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THE VISITOR CENTER IN THE PAST, AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD. TOGETHER, WE'RE SHAPING A NEW VISITOR EXPERIENCE IN SEDONA THAT COMBINES OUR RICH HISTORY OF PERSONAL FACE-TO-FACE COMMUNICATION WITH INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY TO GUIDE US INTO THE FUTURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, CHERYL. UH, VICTORIA, YOU'RE NEXT. ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO, UH, SPEAK? THEN? YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A CARD OR YOU COULD DO IT AFTER, BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE CARD. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, VICTORIA TKI, COTTONWOOD RESIDENT. I CAN'T BELIEVE I HAVE TO FOLLOW CHERYL BARON, THOUGH, . UM, ANYWAY, MOST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK ALL OF YOU, MAYOR BLO, UM, CITY MANAGERS, PICARD, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, UM, FOR ALL YOUR KINDNESS, YOUR, UH, GUIDANCE AND YOUR SUPPORT. UM, THE CITY IS THE DMO, UH, FOR SEDONA. AND SO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASSIST YOU WITH ALL YOUR TOURISM PROGRAMS, UM, TO PROVIDE A GOOD PROPORTION OF THE VISITOR SERVICES PIE AS WELL. UM, WE'RE A TOOL FOR YOU AND WE'RE GRATEFUL ESPECIALLY TO YOU TOO AS WELL, LAUREN. AND, UM, AND ANDREW, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, WE WELCOME, UH, VISITORS. WE SAY, HI, WELCOME TO SEDONA. UH, HOW CAN I HELP? AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT NOW MORE THAN EVER, THAT WE ALLOW VISITORS TO FEEL SEEN AND HEARD. UM, ESPECIALLY OUR INTERNATIONAL VISITORS APPRECIATE THIS EVEN MORE. UH, THEY'VE SPENT CONSIDERABLE TIME AND MONEY TO TRAVEL TO SEDONA, SO THEY'RE HOPING TO HAVE A NICE OUTDOOR ADVENTURE AND MAYBE [02:00:01] A METAPHYSICAL EXPERIENCE OR A CLOSER CONNECTION WITH THEIR FAMILY AND NATURE. UM, WE ALL WANT, WITH THE LOCALS EXPERIENCE, WE DON'T WANT A TOURISTY EXPERIENCE OURSELVES. WE WANT SOMETHING LOCAL AND GENUINE. AND SO WE ARE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT. UM, GOSH, WE ALSO SUPPORT, UM, TOURISM ON A STATEWIDE LEVEL BY SUPPLYING MONTHLY DATA TO THE ARIZONA OFFICE OF TOURISM. UM, WE LIKE TO PROMOTE AND EDUCATE FOLKS ON, UH, CITY SERVICES LIKE THE SEDONA SHUTTLE AND THE PARKS AND RECS, UH, PROGRAMS. UM, WE DID ASSIST ALMOST 170,000 VISITORS DURING THE CALENDAR YEAR LAST YEAR. UH, WE DO BELIEVE VISITORS MAKE GOOD CHOICES WHEN THEY GET GOOD INFORMATION. UM, FROM THE DATA WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE THE BUSIEST VISITOR CENTER IN THE STATE. UH, WE ENJOY A CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE GRAND CANYON, OTHER NATIONAL MONUMENTS, HERITAGE SITES. UH, PLUS WE HAVE OUR OWN, YOU KNOW, 400 MILE, UM, US FOREST SERVICE TRAIL SYSTEM. WE ARE A TOP DESTINATION FOR OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, WELLNESS, TOURISM, AND METAPHYSICAL HAILING TO, WE HAVE SEEN OUR WALK-IN NUMBERS INCREASE, UH, FROM 10 TO 20% COMPARING MONTH TO MONTH. UH, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEE THESE NUMBERS RISE WITH THE NEW PARKING GARAGE. UM, WE DO SEE, UH, REPORT VI UH, WE DO SEE, UM, REPEAT VISITORS AS WELL. I ASSISTED A COUPLE TODAY, THAT WAS JUST IN YESTERDAY. THEY'RE STAYING AT THE MARRIOTT, SO I DIRECTED THEM TO THE TRAIL HEADS BY THE MARRIOTT, UH, YAVAPI, UH, COLLEGE THAT TRAILHEAD, UM, AND, UM, THE RED ROCK STATE PARK. SO THEY WERE REALLY HAPPY WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, AND AS FAR AS THE TAB RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THEY'RE VERY, VERY BENEFICIAL. I WAS ABLE TO WALK AROUND, UH, THE VISITOR CENTER WITH, UH, FRESH EYES AFTER THE RECOMMENDATIONS. THINK ABOUT THE FLOW, UM, A VISITORS, THINK ABOUT THE MATERIALS, THE MESSAGING, UM, WANTING THAT TO POP MORE AND BE A LITTLE BIT LESS. OH GOSH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. YOU CAN FINISH YOUR, YOUR SENTENCE. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, UM, UM, WORKING ON ALL THE TAB RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE CAN DO. UM, WE'VE ALREADY CLEARED THE DOORS FOR THE, UM, MESSAGING AND POSSIBILITY OR POSSIBLY, UH, SUSTAINABILITY MESSAGING FOR THE CITY, WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE TO DO. ALRIGHT, VICTORIA. UM, I GUESS THAT'S IT, HUH? . THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, VICTORIA. OKAY. UH, DIANA NICHOLS. AND YOU, YOU ARE THE LAST PERSON, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO A CARD. OKAY. HELLO AGAIN EVERYBODY. DIANA NICHOLS HERE. UH, VERY NICE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR EFFORTS. UM, I'M CURIOUS, AS FAR AS OTHER CITIES THAT ARE LIKE KIND TO SEDONA, WE ARE NOT PHILADELPHIA. I NOTICED AT THE BOTTOM OF ONE OF THE, UH, PHOTOS IN THE PRESENTATION IT SAID LIKE, LOVE PHILLY. UH, I'VE TRAVELED EUROPE AND, AND THESE KIOSKS ARE IN PLACES FOR TOURISM AND THEY ARE USEFUL. UM, BUT I AM CURIOUS WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE MORE LIKE SEDONA THAT ARE MORE OUTDOORSY, WHERE PEOPLE COME HERE AS FAMILIES WITH INTENTION TO BE, UH, NOTICING NATURE AND GET AWAY FROM THE THINGS THAT A TYPICAL CITY OFFERS. UH, SO MAYBE PLACES LIKE, I DUNNO, ASPEN OR TELLURIDE OR SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT. I'M KIND OF CURIOUS TO HEAR ABOUT NUMBERS. IF YOU HAVE ANY. YOU ASK US THE QUESTION, WE'LL ASK IT TO THEM. OH, MY APOLOGIES. I'LL DIRECT IT AT YOU. SORRY. UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY OF THOSE TOURISTS USE THOSE AS TOUCH POINTS VERSUS THE TOTAL TOURIST DRAW? SO I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE DATA NUMBERS. UM, I THINK THAT, UH, SOME NICE, UH, LOCATIONS WOULD BE FOR, UH, POSSE GROUNDS PARK AS WELL AS YAVAPAI COLLEGE. UM, WE HAVE MANY EYES THAT GO TO POSSE GROUNDS PARK FOR DIFFERENT EVENTS. AND, UH, SAME THING FOR YAVAPAI COLLEGE, BECAUSE THE GERDNER TRAILHEAD OVER THERE DRAWS MANY, MANY TOURIST EYEBALLS. I, I'M SUPPORT OF ANY EXTRA EYES THAT THIS BRINGS, UH, TO LOCAL BUSINESSES. AS I'M SPEAKING AS PRESIDENT OF OUR LOCAL ORGANIZATION, SEDONA, X, Y, Z, WHICH HAS A LOT OF ATTENTION TO SMALL BUSINESS AND SUPPORTING LOCALLY. PERSONALLY, I'M RESISTANT, UH, AS I DO NOT LOVE TECHNOLOGY. HOWEVER, I'M MARRIED TO A MAN WHO'S MY OPPOSITE . HE LITERALLY BUILDS COMPUTERS AND REPAIRS THEM HERE AS A LOCAL SMALL BUSINESS IN SEDONA. I'M AWARE THAT I'M AN ANOMALY IN MY GENERATION AND I AM AWARE THAT THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS PREFER USING SCREENS AS OPPOSED TO COMMUNICATING IN PERSON. SO EVEN THOUGH I AM OPPOSED, I FEEL THAT IT'S A GREAT MOVE FOR OUR CITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DIANA. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. DO YOU WANT TO JUST ADDRESS SOME [02:05:01] OF, UH, DIANA'S COMMENTS? YEP. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THEM, BUT BECAUSE WE APPLY. YEP. SO, UM, WE SPECIFICALLY ASKED ONE OF THE VENDORS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, HEY, SO DON'S GOT GIVE OR TAKE, YOU KNOW, 3 MILLION VISITS. UM, IS THERE A PARTNER THAT YOU'VE WORKED WITH THAT IS SIMILAR TO US? AND THE RESPONSE WAS BIG BEAR CALIFORNIA HAS A FEW MORE MILLION VISITORS IN SEDONA, BUT THEIR ENGAGEMENT NUMBERS WERE AROUND 2,500 TO 5,500 VISITORS PER MONTH PER KIOSK. UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN LAUREN AND I SAW THAT WE WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I WOULD DEFINITELY DO CONSIDER THE LOW END OF THAT. SO IT'S SOMETHING CLOSER TO 2,500 OR 3000 PER MONTH. AND THAT'S, AGAIN, JUST A SPECIFIC TESTIMONIAL. UM, OTHER DESTINATIONS THAT I DID NOT ASK FOR ENGAGEMENT NUMBERS MORE OF. HOW HAS YOUR EXPERIENCE BEEN? UM, VISIT ESTES PARK, ONE OF MY OLD PARTNERS BACK IN COLORADO, WE ACTUALLY FUNDED THEM TO INSTALL A TRUE OMNI KIOSK THROUGH A GRANT PROGRAM THAT I HELPED SET UP A FEW YEARS AGO. I REACHED BACK OUT TO MY OLD COUNTERPART THERE, RACHEL. UM, JUST HEARD BACK TODAY THAT, UM, THEY HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE. AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE ENGAGEMENT NUMBERS. AND THEN, UM, WE KNOW THAT, UM, JENNIFER WEISEL H OVER IN PARK CITY HAS ALSO BEEN EXECUTING A KIOSK STRATEGY. SO THOSE ARE AT LEAST, I THINK MORE THAN HALF OF THE DESTINATIONS THAT WE GOT IN TOUCH WITH ABOUT THIS, I'D SAY LOOK AND FEEL LIKE A RURAL, OUTDOOR BASED, UM, DESTINATION. OKAY. THANKS. ALRIGHT. UM, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS I SHOULD SAY? OKAY. YOU WANNA START? YEP. OKAY. UM, IT'S NO SECRET THAT, UH, FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS I'VE BEEN, UH, PLACING A VERY CRITICAL EYE ON, UH, TOURISM PROMOTION AND MANAGEMENT, BE IT FROM, UH, THE CHAMBER OR, UH, THE CITY. AND, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, WAYS THAT WE'VE GONE ABOUT ADDRESSING THE, THE CRITICAL ASSESSMENT IS ESTABLISHING A TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD. AND IN MY VIEW, THE MOST IMPORTANT TASK WE GAVE THEM INITIALLY WAS TO ASSESS VISITOR SERVICES. AND SPECIFICALLY WHETHER THERE SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE AN INVESTMENT IN A PHYSICAL VISITOR CENTER HERE IN SEDONA. WE, UH, VERY PAINSTAKINGLY CHOSE THE MEMBERS OF THAT TAB. THEY'RE A GREAT MIX OF RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS, UH, ALL VERY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE. UH, SO NOW THEY'VE COME BACK AND SAID UNANIMOUSLY THAT THEY SUPPORT HAVING A PHYSICAL VISITOR CENTER. UM, I FEEL COMPELLED TO, UH, RESPECT THAT OPINION. UH, SO, UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WILL SUPPORT, UH, THE CONTINUATION OF THE VISITOR CENTER CONTRACT, UH, WITH THE OPTION FOR A SECOND YEAR AS THAT WAS PRESENTED. UH, SO I THINK I, I, YOU KNOW, BOB, YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE LEFT NOW, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND I KNOW YOU'RE A CONVERT, AS I SEEM TO RECALL. SO, UH, IF YOU BECAME A CONVERT, THEN I FIGURE I CAN BECOME ONE TOO. SO, AND IT DOES HIGHLIGHT, AS DIANA WAS SAYING, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS OF WANTING TO CONSUME INFORMATION. AND WHILE, YOU KNOW, MAYOR, THE KEY, THE KIOSKS ARE NOT FOR YOU. YOU KNOW, MR I DON'T LIKE AI CHATBOTS, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S PRETTY COOL. UH, SO, UH, WE ARE PROVIDING DIFFERENT CHANNELS FOR ACCESS TO INFORMATION. I GET THAT. SO I'M SUPPORTIVE, UM, REGARDING THE KIOSKS. UM, IT'S ALSO NO SECRET THAT I'VE COMPLAINED ABOUT $3,500 SINKS AND $5,000 TOILETS, AND NOW WE'RE BUYING $30,000 GIANT CELL PHONES. BUT YOU DID COME BACK AND SAY THAT, UH, SOFTWARE IS A BIG PART OF IT. SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE EDGE OFF OF THAT. AND I WILL NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT $30,000 GIANT TELEPHONES, UH, CELL PHONES NOW, . UH, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME SOME PEACE THERE. UH, SO I, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF, UM, THE INVESTMENT IN TECHNOLOGY AND IN REACHING OUR VISITORS IN A DIFFERENT SORT OF WAY. AND I'M DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN GETTING THEM LAUNCHED OFF OF THE, UH, KIOSK AND ONTO THEIR MOBILE DEVICE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE WAITING IN LINE AND GIVING UP AND, AND LEAVING AND TO COUNSELOR DUNN'S COMMENT OR QUESTIONING ABOUT LOCATION THAT REALLY IS IMPORTANT. AND THIS IS THE LAST TIME, WE'LL, WE WILL BE HAVING ANY OPINION ABOUT LOCATION. SO JUST PLEASE NO UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, ESPECIALLY MID-BLOCK UPTOWN OF CREATING A REASON FOR PEOPLE TO BE CROSSING THE ROAD AND STOPPING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. 'CAUSE THEY SEE THIS COOL ELECTRONIC DEVICE THAT THEY WANT TO GO CHECK OUT. SO THAT IS A, A CONCERN AS FAR AS LOCATIONS GO. UM, I THINK THAT THAT PRETTY WELL COVERS IT. I MEAN, THANK YOU DAVID. THANK YOU LAUREN. THANK YOU ANDREW. [02:10:01] AGAIN, THE TAB. YOU GUYS HAVE ALL DONE A TON OF WORK TO, UH, GET TO THIS POINT, UH, FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S COME AND SPOKE ON BEHALF OF IT TONIGHT. I THANK YOU AS WELL. THANK YOU, MAYOR MELISSA. SO I THINK EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS, I HAVE NEVER BEEN A FAN OF, UM, THE VISITOR CENTER IN UPTOWN, BUT I AM A FAN OF VISITOR CENTERS, WHICH I KNOW SOUNDS BIZARRE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IS CURRENTLY WHERE OUR VISITOR CENTER IS. UM, AND, AND MY, MY OBJECTION HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHY ARE WE PUSHING PEOPLE TO UPTOWN, UM, THROUGH THE Y WHERE WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON THE Y. SO, UM, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONFLICT, WHICH IS HENCE MY COMMENT. MAYBE THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO ARE USING THE VISITOR CENTER AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO UPTOWN ANYWAY. WHERE ARE THE REST OF THE PEOPLE? UM, AND, AND I AGREE, I DON'T WANNA STOP TRAFFIC, I DON'T WANNA DO ANY OF THAT SORT OF THING. SO MY ONLY THING ABOUT THE VISITOR CENTER IS, AND I'M WILLING TO FUND IT FOR ANOTHER YEAR, IS I WOULD LOVE TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING IN THE VISITOR CENTER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU SUBMITTED IN THE PACKET 23 SURVEYS OUT OF 75,000 VISITS. WE DON'T EVEN, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER, THE NUMBER OF ZEROS BEFORE YOU GET TO THE ONE IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. SO I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING THERE. ARE WE GIVING THEM THINGS THAT THEY REALLY WANT? ARE THERE WAYS, HOW DOES THAT TIE TO OUR KIOSKS? WE KNOW, CAN WE MAKE THAT A BETTER EXPERIENCE? DO WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DO? HOW DO WE TIE IT ALL TOGETHER? AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE VISITOR CENTER. SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT ONE YEAR WITH AN OPTION FOR ANOTHER YEAR, BUT I'D REALLY LOVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING, WHAT'S THE INTERACTIONS THAT THEY'RE HAVING THERE, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA GET THAT ON THE KIOSKS BECAUSE IT'S DIGITAL AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A THING FOR APPS. SO, UM, I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SO, SO THAT'S IN THE VISITOR CENTER ON THE, THE KIOSKS. UM, I'M A HUGE TECH PERSON. LIKE I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS I LOVE TECH. UM, AND SO I BELIEVE, AND I'VE BEEN ARGUING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE SOMEWHERE THAT WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO GET MORE INFORMATION THOUGH, TO GET WHEN THEY'RE GOOGLING EVERYTHING AND THAT WE COULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DIRECT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE GOING TO THE RIGHT PLACES TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE GOING TO THE PLACES WE REALLY WISH THEY WOULDN'T GO RIGHT NOW. AND I DID LAUGH, ANDREW, AT YOUR TAKE A PHOTO OF DEVIL'S BRIDGE AND THEN DON'T GO THERE. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, I GOT THAT. AND, UM, I HEAR IT FROM PEOPLE WHO COME AND VISIT ALL THE TIME. OH, WE, WE SHOULD GO TO THE DEVIL'S BRIDGE AND WE LOOK AT 'EM AND GO, NO, NO, YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T. AND SO I, I THINK THAT ALL THOSE IDEAS ARE BRILLIANT AND I THINK BEING ABLE TO BRING THEM IN AND THEN HAVE A EASY WAY FOR PEOPLE TO START AT THE KIOSK AND SAY, OH, I CAN PUT IT ON MY, MY, MY LITTLE CELL PHONE FROM THE GIANT CELL PHONE. UM, I THINK MAKING THAT SUPER SIMPLE WOULD BE JUST BRILLIANT BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING IN THE REST OF THIS COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S GONNA BE EQUALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE NEED TO BE AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS A COMMUNITY TO TRY AND MAKE IT A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR THEM, BUT TO MAKE IT A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR US AS WELL. UM, AND, AND REALLY SORT OF PULL THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. SO I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF US MOVING AHEAD NOW AND TRYING TO GET THEM UP AND RUNNING. UH, AND I'M, AGAIN, I'M IN FAVOR OF ONE MORE YEAR, UM, FOR THE, THE VISITOR CENTERS WITH MY LITTLE CAVEAT. OKAY, VICE MAYOR, I'M REALLY EXCITED BECAUSE FOR AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR, MAYBE EVEN FOUR YEARS, I'VE BEEN WANTING TECHNOLOGY, FEELING LIKE THE VISITOR CENTER WAS GREAT FOR THE PERSONAL TOUCH AND IT STOPPED THERE. AND, UM, AND TO CAPTURE THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T, DON'T WANT THE PERSONAL TOUCH IN ANOTHER WAY. SO I'M VERY EXCITED AND I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB IN LOOKING AT, UH, THE TECHNOLOGY RECENTLY. I WAS OVERSEAS AND THEY'RE EVERYWHERE, KIOSKS. AND THEY'RE HEAVILY, HEAVILY USED BY THE PUBLIC. AND I LIKE TO TOUCH SCREEN AND THEY'VE ADVANCED SO MUCH FROM WHEN THEY WERE ORIGINALLY, UH, DEPLOYED THAT IT REALLY MAKES IT VERY EASY. THE USER INTERFACE IS REALLY EASY AND IT'S A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION. UH, I SUPPORT THE ONE YEAR EXTENSION WITH THE RENEWAL OPTION AND THE TECHNOLOGY. NOW, I DID LISTEN TO THE TAP MEETINGS, BUT THE TWO MEETINGS WHERE THE TAP DISCUSSED THIS, AND I THINK THAT, UM, THAT [02:15:01] CRAIG UNDERPLAYED IN, IN HIS STYLE, THE IMPORTANCE TO THE TAB OF THIS TECHNOLOGY PIECE, UH, THEY WERE VEHEMENTLY IN FAVOR OF IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, UH, BECAUSE THEY REALLY FEEL, AND THIS IS WHY I SUPPORT THE ONE YEAR, BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT WE NEED TO TAKE THIS PILOT. AND THAT'S WHY THEY WANNA DO IT NOW. ALSO BECAUSE THEY WANT THAT TIME TO HAVE A FULL YEAR OF OPERATIONS SO THAT THEY CAN ASSESS WHAT OTHER CHANGES MAY NEED TO BE MADE TO THE VISITOR CENTERS ONCE WE'VE ADOPTED THE TECHNOLOGY. SO I WILL EXPRESS THAT ON THEIR BEHALF. BOB WRIGHT, ACCURATE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR DEREK. SO WHEN I FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT THE ISSUE OF THE VISITOR CENTER, I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, WELL, THERE'S AN EASY PLACE TO SAVE $350,000. UM, BUT AT SOMEONE'S SUGGESTION, I WENT TO THE VISITOR CENTER AND I SPENT, I DUNNO, HOUR OR TWO THERE. AND I WATCHED THE INTERACTIONS BETWEEN THE VISITORS AND THE VOLUNTEERS, AND I LOOKED AROUND, I, YOU KNOW, WHEN I PICTURED THE VISITOR CENTER, I FIGURED IT WAS GONNA BE ONE OF THOSE RACKS THAT YOU SEE AT THE FRONT OF THE HOTEL WITH ALL THE POORLY PLACED CARTS. UM, AND I DIDN'T SEE WHY WE WERE SPENDING MONEY TO KEEP THAT AFLOAT, BUT GOING THERE AND WATCHING OUR VOLUNTEERS INTERACT WITH THE VISITORS WAS, WAS EYEOPENING. UM, THEY HAD STORIES, THEY HAD ADVICE FOR, DON'T GO HERE THIS TIME OF DAY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TRYING TO STEER PEOPLE INTO, YOU KNOW, REALLY ENJOYING SEDONA IN A, IN A, I DUNNO, MAYBE A LESS INTRUSIVE WAY. UM, SO I, I COMPLETELY CHANGED MY VIEW ON THE VISITOR CENTER. I AM DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF FUNDING IT FOR ANOTHER YEAR. UM, I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THE, THE ONE-ON-ONE. UH, AND I JUST, I FEEL LIKE IT'S IMPORTANT. UH, THE KIOSK, I FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT. UM, I, WHEN I GO TO A RESTAURANT, I DON'T WANNA ORDER MY FOOD ON AN IPAD WHEN I GO TO THE GROCERY STORE. I DON'T WANT TO SELF-CHECK MYSELF OUT. YOU KNOW, I GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND THERE'S 20 MACHINES AND THERE'S 15 CASH REGISTERS AND NONE OF 'EM ARE OPEN. I DON'T WANT THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE TECHNOLOGY ALREADY EXISTS RIGHT HERE ON OUR PHONES. SO I FEEL LIKE WE COULD ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING WITH SIGNS ADVERTISING OUR WEBSITE. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T NEED TO GO TO A $30,000 CELL PHONE AND TAP A BUNCH OF STUFF IN TO HAVE TO THEN BE TOLD, WE'LL, GO TO OUR WEBSITE, JUST ADVERTISE THE WEBSITE. THAT'S WHAT I THINK. I, I JUST DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE CAN JUSTIFY THE COST. UM, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT TECHNOLOGY BEING OBSOLETE QUICKLY. UM, I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A SITUATION. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THESE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE THE NEW HOT ITEM AND THEY PUT 'EM UP AND THEN THREE OR FOUR YEARS LATER, NOBODY'S SERVICING 'EM ANYMORE. AND THEY SIT THERE, YOU KNOW, DORMANT, HANGING ON THE WALL. AND I JUST, I KIND OF SEE THIS GOING THE SAME DIRECTION. SO I'M A NO ON THE KIOSKS, YES. ON THE VISITOR CENTER. OKAY. PETE. THANK COMM, MAYOR. SO I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE COUNCILLOR FOLTZ, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR A COUPLE YEARS ON VISITOR CENTER 2.0, AND I WANNA SAY THAT I SEE MOVEMENT AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, AND THE TAB FOR CONSIDERING IT AND STARTING TO PUSH THE BALL AND, AND, AND GETTING CREATIVE. YOU KNOW, THE PAST YEAR I'VE CONTINUED MY VERY UNSCIENTIFIC SURVEY OF EVERYONE THAT I'VE MEET ON THE TRAILS OUT THERE, MUCH TO MY WIFE, CHAGRIN, LOTS OF EXTENDED CONVERSATIONS WITH STRANGERS ON THE TRAILS. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, AND I'M STILL SEEING ROUGHLY THE SAME NUMBER, ABOUT 10% OF THE PEOPLE I RUN ACROSS HAVE GONE TO THE VISITOR CENTER. SO THAT HASN'T CHANGED. AND THE NUMBER KIND OF CORRELATES TO WHAT WE KNOW THAT EXISTS. BUT WHAT I HAVE REALLY COME TO LEARN IN THE PAST YEAR, IN THE NUMBER ONE SENTIMENT OF THE VISITORS THAT I TALK TO NOW, TALK ABOUT HOW FRIENDLY SEDONA IS AS A DESTINATION. AND I THINK THAT'S AWESOME. THAT'S THE MOST FREQUENTLY COMMENTED THING OF PEOPLE THAT I TALK TO. AND SURELY I AGREE THAT THE VISITOR CENTER CONTRIBUTES TO THAT SENTIMENT, BUT SORT OF GIVEN THAT PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT STOP BY, IT'S REALLY THE RETAIL WORKERS, THE HOTEL EMPLOYEES, THE SDR HOSTS, THE PUBLIC SERVANTS, EVEN THE RESIDENTS REALLY, THAT ARE, THAT ARE THE HEROES IN MAKING THAT SENTIMENT COME TRUE. AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT THING THAT [02:20:01] CONGRATS TO ALL KEEPING UP. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO KEEP THIS ECONOMIC MIRACLE. THAT'S SEDONA, UH, MOVING Y YOU KNOW, JUST THIS MORNING I WAS LISTENING TO A PODCAST AND I WAS REMINDED OF A QUOTE BY, UH, MAYA ANGELO THAT, UH, ANGELOU THAT I THINK IS A HOSPITALITY, UH, UH, SEGMENT STANDARD, RIGHT? I'VE LEARNED THAT PEOPLE WILL FORGET WHAT YOU SAID AND WHAT YOU DID, BUT THEY'LL NEVER FORGET HOW YOU MAKE THEM FEEL. AND THAT NEEDS TO BE JOB ONE FOR ALL OF US THAT RUN BUSINESSES AND, YOU KNOW, ARE AROUND HERE AND ARE INVOLVED IN THIS COMMUNITY TO KEEP, UH, TO KEEP THE, WELL, AS I SAID BEFORE, THE ECONOMIC MIRACLE ALIVE. NOW, I'VE HEARD, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE MESSAGES THAT WE RECEIVE FROM, UH, THE, OUR BUSINESSES ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE, OF THE VISITOR CENTER. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S EXCELLENT. PLEASE CONVEY THOSE MESSAGES TO DAVID AND THE CHAMBER. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY, WHO NEEDS TO HEAR THIS THE MOST ABOUT THAT YOUR BUSINESSES, YOUR CUSTOMERS, YOUR PEOPLE THAT PAY YOUR BILLS. THE MOST OF THEM THINK THAT THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO DO, BUT IT'S, IN MY OPINION, NOT THE PRIMARY MISSION OF THE VISITOR'S CENTER. RIGHT? UH, ESPECIALLY A, A TAXPAYER FUNDED, LARGELY VISITOR CENTER. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE FAIR TO ALL IN THE VISITOR CENTER, CAN'T PLAY FAVORITES. WE, WE JUST CAN'T GET INTO THAT GAME OF, AND, AND WE HEAR MANY STORIES ABOUT RESTAURANT RECOMMENDATIONS OR BUSINESS RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THAT MAKES ME A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE. THE PRIMARY MISSION OF THE VISITOR CENTER IS REALLY TO ATTRACT VISITORS, TO MOTIVATE THEM TO STAY LONGER, TO RETURN SOON, SPEND MONEY, YOU KNOW, MORE, MORE OF THEIR MONEY HERE. I ALWAYS THANK THE VISITORS THAT I TALK TO ABOUT THANKING THEM FOR SPENDING, UH, ALL THEIR MONEY HERE. 'CAUSE WE KNOW IT'S AN EXPENSIVE PLACE. UH, THEY NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE FEEL GOOD ABOUT SEDONA, LIKE MAYA ANGELOU SAID, AND TO STAY SAFE, RESPECT THEIR SURROUNDINGS, AND TO REALIZE THAT SEDONA ISN'T A THEME PARK. IT'S A COMMUNITY AND A HOME TO OUR RESIDENTS. SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO CONTINUE TO THINK MORE ABOUT THE ROLE AND THE MISSION OF THE VISITOR CENTER AND THIS EVOLUTION TO 2.0 AND BEYOND. I THINK WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS. I SUPPORT THE ONE YEAR CONTRACT WITH THE OPTION. I ASSUME THAT THE SECOND OPTION WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR A DISCUSSION OR BE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, UH, IN, IN THE NEXT YEAR AFTER THAT. I DON'T WANNA TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF FOR THE MOTIVATION TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE. UM, I DO SELF-CHECK , UH, SO I SUPPORT THE KIOSKS. I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE ELEMENTS OF US MOVING TO THINK ABOUT OTHER WAYS. AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'LL WORK, MAYBE THE APP WILL BE JUST WAY MORE POPULAR THAN THE KIOSKS THEMSELVES, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO LEARN. IT IS A POPULAR TECHNOLOGY IN OTHER PLACES, AND I'M IMPRESSED BY THAT. UM, AND I'M IN FAVOR OF DOING THAT, YOU KNOW, AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE. SO, THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, KATHY. FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK OUR STAFF BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS WAS ONE OF THE MOST THOROUGH AND INFORMATIVE, UM, PACKAGES THAT WE'VE GOTTEN ON A MATTER. UM, I JUST, THIS WAS A PLEASURE TO READ AND ALL THE INFORMATION WAS THERE. QUESTIONS THAT I HAD WERE ANSWERED BEFORE I GOT TO ASK THEM. SO, UM, I, I JUST THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK WENT INTO THIS FROM THE RESEARCH THAT WAS DONE TO THE WRITING AND THE, AND THE PRESENTATION OF THE INFORMATION. SO I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I THINK, UM, ALSO IT'S A REFLECTION OF THAT. I THINK IN SOME WAYS WE'VE TURNED A CORNER OF UNDERSTANDING TOURISM A LITTLE BIT MORE UP HERE, UP HERE, AT LEAST US THAT ARE HOLDING THE SORT OF THE DOLLAR SIGNS, THE, THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT RESTRICTS YOU GUYS. UM, AND A LOT OF THAT IS DUE TO THE, THE TAB. UH, AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT THAT A FULL LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS CAME OUT. THAT THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE PANEL FROM THIS CITY THAT WAS ABLE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS, UM, AND CONCERNS, REVIEW THEM FROM A RESIDENT PERSPECTIVE, A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, AND A TRAVEL PERSPECTIVE. I, I, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE TAB HAS BEEN IN PLACE AND THE WORK THAT WAS DONE IN TANDEM WITH YOU GUYS, AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES HAPPENING NOW AT THE CHAMBER. WELCOME, DAVID. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S, UM, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY WORKING TOGETHER GOING FORWARD. UM, I REALLY, I, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS. UH, LET ME DO THE KIOSKS FIRST. UH, I THINK THAT THE KIOSKS ARE, AND I UNDERSTAND CONCERNS ABOUT THAT TECHNOLOGY BECOMES, [02:25:01] YOU KNOW, OUTDATED AS SOON AS IT GETS PUT IN PLACE. BUT I, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT AS WELL, THE UPDATING FOR THE, FOR THE APP. I, I THINK THIS IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE THOUGH. UM, I THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR IT. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PEOPLE WHO WANT THE PERSONAL TOUCH. I'M ONE OF THEM THAT WANTS TO GO TO A VISITOR CENTER SOMEPLACE. UH, BUT I THINK MOST PEOPLE DO NOT AT THIS POINT. THEY BYPASS THAT. THIS ACTUALLY MIGHT ENTICE PEOPLE TO GO TO THE VISITOR CENTER IF IT'S, IF THERE'S A LINK IN THAT, THERE'S A WAY TO GET MORE INFORMATION OR PERSONAL ANECDOTAL EXPERIENCES. UH, I DON'T SEE THESE THINGS AS I, I SEE THEM AS TWO NECESSARY COMPONENTS. SO I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE KIOSKS. I ALSO REALLY LIKE THE IDEA THAT IT CAN BE EXPEDITED SO THAT WE WILL HAVE TIME TO EVALUATE THEM BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD AGAIN NEXT YEAR. THIS BEING, YOU KNOW, YEARLY REVIEWS THAT WE DO AND THAT IT'S ACHIEVED WITH SAVINGS, THAT, AGAIN, KUDOS TO YOUR DEPARTMENT FOR HAVING GOTTEN SO MUCH WORK DONE AND ACTUALLY HAVE SAVINGS THAT CAN EXPEDITE THIS AND BRING IT INTO THIS FISCAL YEAR, WHICH ALSO FURTHER REDUCES STRAIN ON THE NEXT BUDGET THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT SHORTLY. SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S LIKE, CHECK THE BOX, CHECK THE BOX, CHECK THE BOX. GOOD JOB. WELL DONE. THANK YOU. I DO SUPPORT THE KIOSKS, UM, THE VISITOR CENTER. I, I REALLY LIKE THAT THIS CAME FORWARD IN A DIFFERENT WAY THIS YEAR. THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S ALREADY OUT THERE, THAT IT IS A ONE YEAR, BUT WITH THE OPTION FOR ONE YEAR, AND THAT THE DOLLAR SIGN IS ALREADY OUT THERE FOR THE YEAR TO COME, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH IT'S A REVIEW AND IT'S NOT GONNA ESCAPE GOING THROUGH THIS, THE TENSION IN A WAY IS SORT OF OFF IN TERMS OF KNOWING ALREADY WHAT'S COMING AND THE ASK AND WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE GOING FORWARD. AND THAT IS A PIECE OF WHAT I SAID IS I THINK WE'VE TURNED A CORNER ON, ON UNDERSTANDING AND, AND ON, AND UNDERSTANDING HOW TO WORK TOGETHER AS WELL. SO I, I SUPPORT THIS, UM, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST I'VE EVER FELT ABOUT GOING FORWARD WITH THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE VISITOR CENTER FOR, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL YEARS. SO I, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF BOTH OF THESE INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS. WHICH BRINGS ME TO A PROCEDURAL QUESTION AND ISSUE THAT I HAVE THOUGH, WHICH IS THAT I, I DON'T THINK THIS SHOULD BE ONE RESOLUTION BECAUSE I THINK THERE SHOULD ACTUALLY BE TWO RESOLUTIONS. I WANNA GET KURT'S INPUT ON THIS BECAUSE I THINK THAT APPROVING THE VISITOR CENTER CONTRACT IS A, AN ISSUE AND THAT THE KIOSKS ARE AN ISSUE BECAUSE THEY DON'T BOTH HAVE DIFFERENT BUDGETARY IMPLICATIONS, AND THEY ARE BOTH ALSO, I DON'T WANT THEM CONFUSED THAT THE KIOSKS ARE, UH, SOMEHOW INTERTWINED WITH WHATEVER MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE WITH THE, WITH THE VISITOR CENTER OR CHANGES IT MAY OCCUR. SO I WOULD BE, WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT, AND YOU, I MADE YOUR COMMENTS AT MAYOR, SO I'M SORRY, BUT WHEN WE GET TO A POINT OF MAKING A MOTION, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE MAKE THIS AS TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS. UM, AND THAT, THAT'S JUST, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO BE THINKING ABOUT. I'M SEEING A LOT OF NODS AROUND THE DAY, SO, AND I HAVE LANGUAGE WORKED OUT IN MY HEAD FOR THAT. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY AFTER YOUR COMMENTS. WELL, YOU JUMPED THE GUN. OH. BECAUSE WITH DEREK'S COMMENT THAT I HEARD VERY LOUD AND CLEAR, AND I, I'M GOING TO ADDRESS IT AS WELL. BUT I, YOU KNOW, I WAS GONNA ASK KURT IF WE COULD SEPARATE THESE MOTIONS INTO TWO YEAH. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THEY CAN BE ONE MOTION OR TWO MOTION EITHER WAY IS FINE. OKAY. UM, THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME. SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR RAISING IT, KATHY. I APPRECIATE THAT. UH, DEREK RAISED A REALLY GOOD POINT. I REALLY HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT AND I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. UH, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A KIOSK GOING AWAY THAT QUICK. BUT AS A HYBRID, IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT HAVING A KIOSK UP AT POSSE GROUNDS OR OR KIOSK UP AT THE CULTURAL PARK. WELL, THERE WE CAN HAVE SIGNS WITH AN APP 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT HEAVILY, HEAVILY, UH, TOURIST. UH, BUT IN UPTOWN, I THINK THE KIOSK IS IMPORTANT. LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, RIGHT? SO, BUT I WILL SUPPORT THIS, UH, AS, UH, WRITTEN BY THE, THE STAFF. UH, IT'S IN ITS ENTIRETY, THE KIOSK AND THE VISITOR CENTER. UH, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE OUR, I THINK THE TAB ACTUALLY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT FOR THE FUTURE. MAYBE IN FIVE YEARS OR FOUR YEARS, WE MAY NOT NEED MORE KIOSK BECAUSE THE APPS ARE DOING THEIR JOB BETTER. IT'S, IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT, UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE BIG CELL PHONES RUNNING AROUND IN UPTOWN. SO, UH, IT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT, WELL, WHAT DO THEY DO AT THE VISIT CENTER? I'VE SAT HERE FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW SAYING VICTORIA IS AN [02:30:01] AMAZING PERSON AT THE VISIT CENTER. DONNA, BEFORE HER WAS AN AMAZING MANAGER AT THE VISIT CENTER. WE SHOULD ALL GO TO THE VISIT CENTER TO SEE WHAT GOES ON. UH, IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. I JUST HOPE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE WITH THOSE KIND OF STAFF PEOPLE, THOSE VOLUNTEERS, WELL INTO THE FUTURE AND JUST KEEP THEM GOING BECAUSE THE KIOSK IS GOOD IN ITS PLACE. I COULD SEE IT MID-BLOCK IF SOMEWHERE AWAY FROM, UH, IT'S NOT DIRECTING TRAFFIC TO IT, I GET IT. BUT IT'S A DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE VISIT CENTER. BUT THEY EACH HAVE THEIR OWN USE. SO, UH, I, I APPRECIATE THE TAB IMMENSELY. I, I, YOU KNOW, IN HEARING THE REPORT AND WATCHING THE TAB, UH, HEARINGS OR MEETINGS, A LOT OF WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG HAS, WAS, UH, SPOKEN DURING A TAB MEETING HOW GOOD THE VISIT CENTER IS. AND THEY, THEY STARTED FROM ALMOST FROM SCRATCH AND WORKED INTO IT. THAT WAS GOOD. UH, AND THEY DO SUPPORT THE KIOSKS, SO I'M GLAD THAT THAT HAPPENED. SO, UH, ANYWAY, UH, DO YOU WANNA SEPARATE THIS? YOU HAVE, UH, MAY WE MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT? I'M SORRY. SORRY, COMMENT. I JUST HAVE TO MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT. I REALIZE THESE ARE ABOUT TO MOST LIKELY GET SEPARATED, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE NOTE THAT SOME OF THESE KIOSKS, WHILE TECHNOLOGY CAN BE CONFUSING, IT CAN BE EXPENSIVE, IT CAN BECOME OBSOLETE. WE DO STILL HAVE DISABLED PEOPLE, NONVERBAL AUTISTIC, UM, REALLY ALL SORTS OF NEURODIVERGENCE. UM, MAYBE PEOPLE WHO ARE ANTISOCIAL SINCE THE PANDEMIC, BUT REALLY JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT THAT IT'S AN ACCESSIBILITY FACTOR AS WELL AS THOSE INTERNATIONAL VISITORS. I KNEW WHEN I WENT OVERSEAS AND I FOUND A KIOSK THAT I COULD CHANGE TO MY LANGUAGE, I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOSH, THIS IS, MY ANXIETY IS, IS SO MUCH LOWER THAN THAN WHEN I GOT HERE BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STILL A LANGUAGE BARRIER, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE OVERSEAS THAT HAVE LEARNED, UH, ENGLISH AT, AT OUR BENEFIT. SO THAT'S REALLY COMMENT. THANKS DAVID. I APPRECIATE THAT. SO, UM, DOES THE COUNCIL AGREE TO SEPARATE THESE TWO? YEAH, I AGREE. SO, UH, WHAT'S THAT? YES, I DO. OH, I WOULD HOPE SO. OKAY. SO KATHY, YOU YOU WANT TO YEAH. SO I'LL MAKE THESE AS TWO MOTIONS. YES. FIRST, I MOVED TO APPROVE A CONTRACT FOR SERVICES WITH THE GREATER SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN THE AMOUNT OF $351,440 FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE VISITOR CENTER FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026, WITH AN OPTION TO RENEW IN FISCAL YEAR 2027 IN THE AMOUNT OF $358,892. SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AND THE OPPOSED UNANIMOUS. OKAY. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FOR THE CITY TO PURCHASE THE DIGITAL KIOSKS IN FISCAL YEAR 2025 FOR $115,000. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A SECOND. THAT'S FROM THE VICE MAYOR. UH, AND, UH, OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. OKAY. ONE, UH, UH, OPPOSITION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU FOR A GREAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A 20 MINUTE BREAK. UH, SO 7 25, JOE. OKAY, WE ALL HERE? WHAT IS THIS? ALRIGHT, WE'LL COME BACK. OH, MORE CARDS. OKAY. GET THAT DAVID KEY GUY. WHAT DOES HE WANT? ? I USED TO, OKAY. THIS'LL COME BACK INTO, HAS [8.b. AB 3148 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of an award of 25-12RFP to HS Development Partners, LLC for a 9% LIHTC Multifamily Housing development at 2411 W. State Route 89A, and approval of a Lease Option Agreement, contingent upon receiving a 9% LIHTC award and successfully negotiating a Lease Agreement with the City.] HAPPENED HERE. DISCUSSION ITEM B, AB 31 48. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF AN AWARD OF 25 DASH 12 RFP TO HS DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS, LLC FOR A 9% LITECH MULTIFAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, UH, AT 24 11 WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A AND APPROVAL OF A LEASE AGREEMENT, LEASE OPTION, UH, AGREEMENT CONTINGENT UPON RECEIVING THE 9%, UH, LIGHT TECH AWARD AND SUCCESSFULLY NEGOTIATING A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY. JEANIE, THAT'S GOING TO BE YOU, YOU'LL START, YOU'LL BE STARTING? YES. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. TODAY, AS THE MAYOR SAID, WE WILL BE DISCUSSING, UH, THE SELECTION OF A DEVELOPER RELATIVE TO A 9% LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROJECT AT 24 11 WEST STATE ROUTE 89 [02:35:01] A. SO TO JUST PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT, UM, AN RFP WAS ISSUED ON JANUARY 2ND TO SELECT A DEVELOPER WHO CAN DELIVER A COMPETITIVE APPLICATION TO THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING BY THE APRIL 1ST DEADLINE FOR A 9% LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENT. THE, UM, PARCEL AT 24 11 WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A WAS IDENTIFIED FOR THE PROJECT. AND TONIGHT'S ACTION IS SIMPLY TO SELECT THE DEVELOPER AND APPROVE THE NEGOTIATION OF A LEASE OPTION AGREEMENT CONTINGENT UPON SUCCESSFULLY WINNING THE, UH, HIGHLY COMPETITIVE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT AWARD FROM THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING. SO WE SIMPLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO, UM, HAVE YOUR DIRECTION AS TO WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION OR NOT. UM, AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE LITECH PROGRAM, UM, INCIDENTALLY, SO AT A RECENT EIGHT OH ARIZONA DEPARTMENT HOUSING MEETING, UM, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT UPCOMING RULE CHANGES WERE OUTLINED FOR THE LE 20 26, 27 QUALIFIED ALLOCATION PLAN. AND, UM, SO FOR NEXT YEAR, THE PROGRAM RULES AND THE QAP WILL CHANGE. UM, HOW WILL THESE CHANGES IMPACT THE CITY OF SEDONA? WELL, ESSENTIALLY, THEY NEED TO DO MORE HOUSING WITH LESS HOUSING IS CRITICAL EVERYWHERE, AND THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING IS WORKING TO PROVIDE EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF RESOURCES BY BUILDING MORE HOUSING UNITS ACROSS THE STATE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS GOAL. UNDER CONSTRUCT, UNDER CONSIDERATION IS THE REDUCTION OF THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TAX CREDITS THAT EACH DEVELOPER CAN ACCESS E EITHER BASED ON THE TOTAL UNIT COUNT PER DEVELOPMENT, OR SIMPLY TO REDUCE THE MAXIMUM AWARD ALTOGETHER. SO I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS LATER IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT, UH, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PROJECTS NOT FOR THIS ROUND OF FUNDING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, BUT FOR ANY PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE UNDER NEXT ROUNDS. OKAY. SITE LOCATION, THE GREEN, CAN I JUST ASK YOU ONE QUESTION? YES. IS LITECH ALL STATE FUNDED, OR IS THERE FEDERAL FUNDS WITH THAT? SO YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. YEAH. GOOD EVENING. UH, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THE PROGRAM IS A FEDERAL PROGRAM. UH, IT'S PART OF THE IRS CODE, SECTION 42. IT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE 1986. UM, IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED PROGRAM WHERE THESE TAX CREDITS, UM, THEY'RE FEDERAL INCOME TAX CREDITS THAT CORPORATIONS TAKE. UM, AND THOSE ARE, UM, SYNDICATED BASICALLY AND SOLD FOR AN INVESTMENT INTO THE, UH, LITECH, UH, FOR THAT TAX. UH, BASICALLY A TAX BENEFIT. UM, SO IT IS A, IS A FEDERAL PROGRAM THAT'S ADMINISTERED BY THE STATES. THE CHANGES ARE BEING MADE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, STATE LEVEL. SO THE CHANGES FOR 2026 ARE BEING MADE AT THE STATE LEVEL? CORRECT. EACH STATE HAS A DIFFERENT METHOD OF IMPLEMENTING THE PROGRAM. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . SO, AND, UM, I'M SORRY, I NEGLECTED TO, UH, INTRODUCE MATT SHOEMAKER. SORRY. HE IS, UM, WITH HS DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS, AND WE'LL BE HEARING MORE ABOUT HIM AND FROM HIM A LITTLE BIT LATER. UM, OKAY. SO NOW LET'S LOOK AT THE SITE, UH, THE GREEN RECTANGLE IN THE CENTER OF THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT SHOWS THE LOCATION ON 89 A IN THE WEST SEDONA COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND THE FUTURE WEST SEDONA COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA AS IDENTIFIED IN THE CITY OF SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN. THE SITE, WHICH WAS, UM, THE CITY PURCHASED FROM A HOTEL DEVELOPER WAS STRATEGICALLY AND INTENTIONALLY IDENTIFIED FOR INCOME INFORMED HOUSING AND WORKFORCE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT WITH AFFORDABLE RENTS. SO WHY HERE? WHY IN THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION? WELL, THERE'S A FEW REASONS. NUMBER ONE, THE LOCATION IS REALLY NEAR DESIRABLE ELEMENTS THAT MAKE A LITECH APPLICATION MORE COMPETITIVE. IT'S HIGHLY WALKABLE. THERE'S PROXIMITY TO THINGS LIKE TRANSPORTATION, [02:40:01] SUPERMARKETS, URGENT CARE, HEALTHCARE FACILITIES, PHARMACIES, PARKS, AND RECREATIONAL TRAILS. BUT PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY TOO, UM, WE REFERENCED SEDONAS COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH WAS RECENTLY APPROVED BY COUNCIL. AND ITS GUIDING PRINCIPLES TO STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY LIVABILITY AND CONNECTIONS BY CREATING DIVERSE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES TO ATTRACT YOUNG PEOPLE AND FAMILIES, AND MEETING THE NEEDS FOR DIVERSE HOUSING OPTIONS TO EXIST FOR ALL TYPES OF RESIDENTS, INCLUDING RETIREES, FAMILIES, AND ESSENTIAL AND CRITICAL WORKERS. THE SITE LOCATION IN THE FUTURE, WEST SEDONA COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA SPEAKS TO THE STRATEGIC IDENTIFICATION OF TRANSITIONAL AREA AREAS FOR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES TO TRANSFORM THE AREA TO LIVABLE, WALKABLE DESTINATION. AND THE SITE CONFORMS TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN'S FUTURE LAND USE MAP GUIDELINES THAT ALLOW FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING IN THIS LOCATION. SO WE, WE FOLLOW THE SORT OF THE, THE GUIDELINE, YOU KNOW, THE GUIDING GUIDELINES OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN. UM, THAT IS WHAT WE KIND OF LIVE BY IN SEDONA. WE WANT TO TRY TO FOLLOW THOSE GUIDELINES IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO WITH THE CITY. SO HERE IS A VIEW OF THE LOT IN SITU. YOU CAN SEE THE VACANT LOT IN, UH, THE LOWER PART OF THE SCREEN. SAFEWAY IS JUST ACROSS 89 A BUILDERS FIRST SOURCE TO THE EAST AND WINDHAM PROPERTY AND TIMESHARES TO THE WEST AND THE SOUTH. THERE IS AN URGENT CARE FACILITY JUST TO THE WEST ON 89 A AND GAS STATIONS AND A TRANSIT STOP ARE NEARBY. SO THE EVALUATION AND RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PROJECT, UM, WE ASKED AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS TO SUBMIT PROPOSALS BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE FINANCING, FEASIBILITY AND LEVERAGING DEVELOPMENT, QUALITY MANAGEMENT PLAN, FEASIBILITY AND AFFORDABILITY. THE SCORING CRITERIA THAT WE, UM, SPECIFIED ALIGNS WITH THE SCORING CRITERIA BY THE STATE TO AWARD LITECH PROJECTS IN ORDER TO ENSURE THE SELECTED DEVELOPER WILL HAVE A HIGHLY COMPETITIVE APPLICATION TO THE STATE OF THIS PROPO. THIS RFP, WE RECEIVED THREE PROPOSALS, AND THESE THREE PROPOSALS WERE SCORED BY A REVIEW PANEL MADE UP OF CITY STAFF WITH EXPERTISE IN FINANCE, HOUSING, AND PLANNING. AND OF THE THREE HS DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS SCORED THE HIGHEST. UM, AND I AM PLEASED THAT MATT SCHUMAKER FROM HS DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS HAS JOINED US THIS EVENING. AND HE WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT, UM, AS, AS REQUIRED. UM, BONNIE DEMI IS ALSO HIS BUSINESS PARTNER AND SHE WAS UNABLE TO TRAVEL HERE FROM OHIO TONIGHT. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SELECTED DEVELOPER. UM, HS DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS HAVE BEEN ACTIVE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING SINCE 2003. UH, THEY DO HAVE EXPERTISE IN MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, PROJECT PLANNING, FINANCING, CONSTRUCTION, AND LEASE UP ACTIVITIES. UH, THEIR EXPERIENCE IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. UH, REGARDING LITECH PROJECTS, THEY HAVE SECURED FOUR 9% LITECH NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS WITHIN THE PAST FIVE YEARS. AND ONE 4% LITECH BOND TRANSACTION, WHICH IS BILL IS ON SHELBY . UM, THEY ARE EXPERIENCED IN BUILDING DIVERSE CAPITAL STACKS FINANCING AND FUNDING. UM, THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH A RPA FUNDING STATE HOUSING TRUST FUND, THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT, HOUSE OF HOUSING, FORWARD ALLOCATED TAX CREDITS, GRANTS, AND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES. UM, SO THESE TOOLS ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM AND THEY KNOW HOW TO SORT OF STACK THEM UP. UM, AND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MANAGEMENT PIECE, WHICH, UH, IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF ANY LITECH PROJECT BECAUSE TENANT AFFORDABILITY NEEDS TO BE QUALIFIED AND REGULAR COMPLIANCE REPORTING TO THE STATE IS REQUIRED [02:45:01] TO, TO ENSURE THAT, UM, THE AFFORDABLE LE THE AFFORDABILITY LEVELS ARE CONSISTENT WITH, UM, WITH THE PROGRAM. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT PROPOSED CONCEPT. SO IT, IT, UM, CALLS FOR 36 HOUSING UNITS FOR RESIDENTS AT OR BELOW THE 60% AREA MEDIAN INCOME. UM, THE US DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT RULES FOR LITECH PROJECTS REQUIRE THAT RENTS BE AFFORDABLE AT 60%. UM, AND THE NEXT SLIDE AFTER THIS WILL ILLUSTRATE WHAT THOSE AFFORDABLE RENTS WILL LOOK LIKE. UM, THE PROJECT WILL BE A MIX OF UNITS THAT WILL INCLUDE ONE, TWO, AND THREE BEDROOMS EACH WITH ITS OWN WASHER DRYER. AND THE, UM, A LITTLE THING ABOUT THE PROPOSED THREE STORY CONCEPT. THIS IS EXPECTED TO CHANGE AS IT MOVES THROUGH THE PLANNING REVIEW PROCESS. THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF UNITS AND THE AFFORDABILITY WILL REMAIN AS STATED IN THE, UM, A DO LITECH APPLICATION FOLLOWING THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING CRITERIA AND GUIDELINES. BUT THE ACTUAL ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND THE AESTHETICS OF THE PLAN IS EXPECTED TO CHANGE AS THE PROJECT MOVES THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS AND VARIOUS CITY REVIEW AND APPROVALS. UM, IF THERE IS ANY ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, SUCH AS THREE STORY IN THIS LOCATION, IT WILL COME BACK FOR COUNCIL APPROVAL IN A, IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. IF IT, IF THE THREE STORIES, UM, IS REQUESTED IN THE FINAL PLAN, IN ANY CASE, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THIS PROJECT WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. SO HERE ARE THE RENTS THAT WE CAN EXPECT. THEY RANGE, UH, FROM $547 FOR A ONE BEDROOM TO, UH, THE HIGH END WOULD BE A THREE BEDROOM FOR 1295, $1,295 PER MONTH. SO YOU COULD SEE THAT, UM, THERE ARE DIFFERENT RENTAL, THERE ARE DIFFERENT A MI PERCENTAGES IN THIS CHART, 40%. SO DEPENDING ON YOUR INCOME LEVEL, YOU COULD RENT A ONE BEDROOM FOR 5 47, 7 0 3, OR 9 33 BASED ON YOUR AREA. MEDIAN INCOME QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ABOUT THAT AT THIS POINT. RIGHT. THANK YOU. MAYOR JEANNIE, ARE WE REQUIRED, OR IS THE DEVELOPER REQUIRED TO OFFER THOSE LOWER RENTS AT 50 AND 40 OR CAN IT JUST ALL BE AT LIKE THE 60% LEVEL? FOR INSTANCE, THEY, THEY HAVE TO AVERAGE AT 50% A MI. RIGHT? THEY, THAT IS FOR, FOR A COMPETITIVE APPLICATION, YES. OKAY. , THE MIX OF UNITS, 1, 2, 3, BEDROOM AND THE NUMBER, HOW WAS THAT ARRIVED AT? THROUGH DESIGN AND ALSO TRYING TO, UH, PROVIDE THE MOST OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO, UM, RESIDENTS AND FAMILIES OF THE COMMUNITY. UM, YOU USUALLY HAVE, UH, DEPENDING ON THE PARKING CRITERIA, THE SITE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FINAL DESIGN OF THE PROJECT, UM, IN THE COMMON SPACE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE SOMETIMES BALANCED. UH, YOU KNOW, MORE ONES, LITTLE BIT LESS TWOS, SOMETIMES MORE THREES. UM, IT JUST, SO THAT COULD CHANGE DURING THIS PROCESS OR THIS IS FIXED. ONCE YOU SUBMIT THE APPLICATION, IT'LL BE FIXED. JUST THE, THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT WILL, UH, WILL BE MODIFIED. SO WHAT IF TWO BEDROOM, WHAT IF THREE STORIES WAS NOT APPROVED? COULD IT STILL GO FORWARD? YES. AND WOULD THE UNIT COUNT CHANGE? UH, IT COULD SLIGHTLY CHANGE, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE ABOUT 36 UNITS AS WE FINALIZE THAT, THOSE SMALL MODIFICATIONS ON THE DESIGN, UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD FLUCTUATE A, A SMALL PERCENTAGE HERE AND THERE. SO THERE MIGHT BE 10, 10 TWOS AND [02:50:01] 10 THREES AND OR 15, 10 AND FIVE, OR, YOU KNOW, YEAH. SO, AND THAT'S ALLOWED BY EIGHT O MM-HMM . THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. KATHY. IT GOT ANSWERED. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. LAST SLIDE. SO, PROPOSED FINANCING AND THE NEXT STEPS ON THIS, UH, TOTAL PROJECT COST HERE IS 19 MILLION HS. DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS IS REQUESTING A SOFT LOAN IN THE AMOUNT OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA, WHICH MAXIMIZES THE SCORING RELATIVE TO THE QAP. IT'S ALL ABOUT GETTING THE POINTS FOR THE APPLICATION FOR LITECH. AND WITH A $100,000 SOFT LOAN THAT IS EXTRA POINTS, UM, THERE IS A CONSTRUCTION LOAN AND PERMANENT LOAN FROM INDEPENDENT SOURCES. THE COMMITMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AND THERE'S A DEFERRED DEVELOPER FEE. UM, JEANNIE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? PERMANENT LOAN PER I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND PERMANENT. OKAY. SO THE PERMANENT LOAN IS, ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION PORTION OF THE PROJECT IS COMPLETE, THEN IT MOVES INTO A PERMANENT LOAN. AND MATT BEING THE EXPERT, UM, HOUSING DEVELOPER COULD PROBABLY ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT TO THAT. IT'S, IT'S THE LONG TERM FINANCING PORTION. LOOK AT IT AS YOUR, LIKE YOUR HOUSE MORTGAGE. SO IT'S LIKE A 30 YEAR YES. 50 YEAR OR SOMETHING. YEAH, USUALLY BETWEEN, YEAH, 18 TO 30 YEAR TERM, 30 TO 40 YEAR AMORTIZATION ONLY COVERED THE CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS A SHORT PERIOD. RIGHT. THANK YOU. CAN YOU TALK ON THE MIC NEXT DOOR PLEASE? OH, I'M SORRY, PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. SURE. I, I'M LOOKING AT OUR PACKET, PAGE 2 33, WHICH IS THE SUBMITTAL FROM HS PARTNERS WHERE IT SAYS TO MAXIMIZE POINTS 9% APPLICATION, IT COULD BE A SOFT LOAN OR WAIVER OF FEES FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. HOW DID WE SELECT THE SOFT LOAN OF THOSE OPTIONS THAT YOU PUT ON THE TABLE? SO THE WAIVER OF FEES IS, UM, THROUGH THE DIGA, WE ALL, WE DO WAIVE FEES, RIGHT? FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS, BUILDING PERMIT FEES ARE WAIVED, UM, PLAN REVIEW FEES ARE WAIVED AND, UM, IMPACT FEES ARE WAIVED. SO, UM, UM, NO, THAT, JUST TO CLARIFY REAL QUICKLY, THE IMPACT FEES ARE NOT WAIVED. WE WOULD PAY FOR THOSE FROM LIKE THE HOUSING FUND ON THE DEVELOPER BEHALF, BUT WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY, I BELIEVE, WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT AND PLANNING FEES, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES CAN'T BE WAIVED. YEAH. SO THAT WOULD BE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT NEGOTIATED, JUST LIKE WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU DO WHEN PEOPLE ASK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF THOSE THINGS. THANK YOU, ANNETTE. SO I'M, BUT I'M NOT CLEAR ABOUT THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION. IT SEEMS THAT YOU PUT ON THE TABLE THAT WE COULD EITHER DO A SOFT LOAN OR WAIVER OF FEES, WHICH COULD ALSO MEAN THE COUNCIL PAYS SOME OF THE FEES THAT ARE IN THIS. AND THIS COUNCIL HAS, UH, OPINED ITS FAVORABILITY TO, FOR THE RIGHT PROJECT THAT WE MIGHT PAY FEES FOR SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT IN THE FUTURE. SO I WANNA KNOW WHY THE SOFT LOAN IS THE ANSWER RATHER THAN THE WAIVER OR PAYMENT OF FEES. HOW WAS THAT DECISION MADE? IT IS SPECIFICALLY SPECIFIED THAT THAT IS 100% A POINTS ITEM AND THE WAIVER OF FEES IS SOMEWHAT, UH, SUBJECTIVE. COULD BE. SO I SEE. SO IT WAS A MAXIMIZATION OF CORRECT, OF THE FAVORABILITY OF APPROVAL. CORRECT. SOME KIND OF DECISION AND COUNSELOR. UM, THE, WHETHER THE FEES ARE PAID BY THE CITY OR THE CITY GAVE A LOAN TO THE PROJECT, THAT MONEY'S ALL COMING FROM THE SAME POT FROM THE HOUSING FUND. SO IT'S STILL GONNA BE THAT EXPENSE, WHETHER WE CALL IT A LOAN OR WE'RE PAYING THE FEES. SO IF THE APPLICATION IS STRONGER BECAUSE WE CALL IT A LOAN AND SET IT UP THAT WAY, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE IT'S AS COMPETITIVE AS POSSIBLE. I CAN UNDERSTAND THE MAXIMIZATION OF POINTS BY CALLING IT A LOAN, BUT A LOAN IS DIFFERENT THAN PAYMENT OF FEES. IT, IT HAS A DIFFERENT CONNOTATION IN THE, IN MY MIND AND IN THE PUBLIC'S MIND, I THINK. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. CAN I TAG ONTO WHAT IS A SOFT LOAN? I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT TERM. A SOFT LOAN IS A LOAN WITH FAVORABLE TERMS. IT'S EITHER LOW INTEREST OR A NO [02:55:01] INTEREST LOAN. OKAY. BUT IN ONE THE CITY GETS REPAID AND THE OTHER IT DOESN'T. RIGHT? YEAH. SO CORRECT. MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND, AND VICE MAYOR AND THE SOFT LOAN, GENERALLY IT'S GOING TO BE, THE REPAYMENT IS GONNA BE FROM CASH, EXCESS CASH, UM, PROCEEDS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT, WHEREAS THE, THE ALTERNATIVE IS A FIXED RATE, UM, WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE MONTHLY PAYMENTS, YOU KNOW, FOR 30 YEARS OR WHATEVER THE RATE IS. THAT'S CORRECT. CAN SOFT LOAN BE FORGIVEN? SO A CITY LOAN, THE CITY CAN DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH ANY OF ITS LOANS. UM, BUT NO, GENERALLY ANY TYPE OF CITY LOAN WON'T BE, UM, I MEAN ULTIMATELY UP TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE FORGIVEN. SO IT IF, ALTHOUGH I GUESS, I GUESS, AND OVER THE TERM OF A 75 YEAR LEASE, IF IT'S NOT ALL REPAID, THEN GENERALLY AT THE TERMINATION OF LEASE, IT WOULD NOT ALL BE PAID. SO IT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY BE FORGIVEN, BUT NOT ALL PAID. OKAY. OKAY. LAST PAGE. OKAY. SO, SO THE NEXT STEPS, UH, WE WILL LEARN OF THE LE AWARDS ON JUNE 2ND. IF THIS PROJECT DOES GET AWARDED, THE, THEN THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL UTILIZE A LAND LEASE FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA TERMS TO BE NEGOTIATED WITH THE CITY BY THE CITY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PROCESSES WILL FOLLOW NORMAL PROCEDURES. PROJECT APPLICATION WILL BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WILL BE NEGOTIATED AND PLAN SUBMITTALS FOR BUILDING PERMITS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. UH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE WE'VE RUN INTO THIS IN THE PAST, THAT IN THAT REGULAR ORDER OF PROCEDURE MM-HMM . THAT THE, THERE WOULD BE AT LEAST A PRELIMINARY P AND Z REVIEW PRIOR TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT COMING FORWARD. IS THAT GUARANTEED? THERE WILL BE PLANNING AND ZONING? YES, IT WILL ALL. SO I HAVE TO SAY THAT WITH US COMING FORWARD NOW AT THIS POINT TO AWARD THE PROPOSAL FOR THE RFP, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT WITH THIS ENTIRE PROCESS, AND WE WANT TO FOLLOW THE, ALL OF THE, UM, PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY IN ORDER TO GET THIS PROJECT OR HOUSING PROJECTS BUILT. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IS WHY WE ARE COMING FORWARD STEP BY STEP TO KEEP YOU INFORMED, TO KEEP THE PUBLIC INFORMED OF THE PROJECTS AS THEY EVOLVE AND DEVELOP. WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT HOUSING IS A VERY CRITICAL ISSUE, THAT HOUSING IS, UM, UM, COULD BE CONTR CONTROVERSIAL. AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING THINGS MOVING AND THAT WE'RE KEEPING THE INFORMATION FLOWING. SO IN TERMS OF PLANNING AND ZONING, ALL OF THOSE, ALL OF THOSE STEPS WILL BE FOLLOWED, UM, AS APPROPRIATE, UM, TO THE CITY. SO I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER COUNSELORS IS THAT YES, THIS WILL FOLLOW THE NORMAL PROCESS OF GOING TO P AND Z FIRST BEFORE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT COMES FORWARD. I BELIEVE SO, YES. RIGHT, KURT? I MEAN, I THINK WE HAD A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OVER THE PAST YEAR WHERE WE CAME TO YOU EARLY MM-HMM . UM, WHICH WAS OUT OF THE NORM. BUT IN THIS CASE, IT'S ANTICIPATED TO GO STEP BY STEP THROUGH THE PROCESS UNLESS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING EARLIER. AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL NOT ONLY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, BUT THE LAND LEASE AGREEMENT. SO, UM, I MEAN, WE, THE LAST COUPLE TIMES WE'VE TRIED TO COME TO COUNCIL FIRST FOR DIRECTION TO HELP HELP SPEED THINGS ALONG, UH, AND GET, UH, SOME DIRECTION FOR WHEN WE GO TO P AND Z. UH, BUT WE TEND TO HEAR FROM COUNSEL THAT YOU'D RATHER HAVE IT GO TO P AND Z FIRST. AND SO, UH, THERE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE A LAND LEASE AGREEMENT, UM, EITHER, UM, WITHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT UNTIL EVERYTHING'S FIGURED OUT THROUGH P AND Z PROCESS IN THIS CASE. SO IF THERE'S AN AWARD ON JUNE ONE FROM, UM, ARIZONA APARTMENT OF HOUSING, UH, WE COULD THEN SCHEDULE IT FOR THE NEXT AVAILABLE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. MM-HMM . UM, ASSUMING THAT THE DEVELOPER'S READY TO GO THAT QUICKLY. SO I MEAN, THE EARLIEST COUNCIL WOULD SEE THIS WOULD BE JULY OR AUGUST. OKAY. TAG ON TO THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I THINK, KURT, THIS IS DIRECTED AT YOU ON PACKET PAGE 2 27 AND THE POTENTIAL MOTION FOR THIS ITEM. I GET CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY APPROVING, BUT MY SPECIFIC QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK YOU BASED ON THE TOPIC WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, IS THERE THE WORD CONTINGENT? WHAT, WHAT'S CONTINGENT HERE? YOU TALKED ABOUT THE LEASE AGREEMENT'S GOTTA [03:00:01] COME BACK, IT'S GOTTA GO THROUGH OUR PROCESS. THE DESIGN IS GONNA GO THROUGH P AND Z AND THE COUNCIL. SO THERE'S WHAT WORK IS CONTINGENT DOING THE TWO CONTINGENCIES, UH, IN ORDER FISCAL PROCEEDS. NUMBER ONE, THEY RECEIVE AN AWARD OF THE 9% LITECH, UM, FROM A DO. IF THEY DON'T RECEIVE IT, THEN, THEN THIS IS OVER THIS POTENTIAL DEAL. AND THE SECOND CONTINGENCY IS THAT THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER SUCCESSFULLY NEGOTIATE A LAND DEVELOPMENT OR A LAND LEASE AGREEMENT FOR THIS PROPERTY. SO, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SHORTENED TIMEFRAME, UM, AND THE NEED TO GET THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, INTO THE APPLICATION INTO EIGHT, OH, UH, REALLY SOON HERE ON APRIL ONE, UH, WE DIDN'T FEEL THERE WAS GONNA BE ENOUGH TIME TO COMPLETELY NEGOTIATE A LAND LEASE AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW. AND SO THE ONLY THING COUNCIL'S APPROVING TONIGHT IS THIS OPTION AGREEMENT CONTINGENT UPON THOSE TWO THINGS HAPPENING. FIRST THEY GET 9% AWARD, AND THEN SECOND, UM, THE COUNCIL AND THE DEVELOPER'S ABLE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON A FINAL LAND LEASE AGREEMENT. SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE PROCESS THAT HAPPENED ON SHELBY COUNSEL. IN THAT CASE, COUNSEL APPROVED A, UM, AN OPTION AGREEMENT IN MARCH OF 20, UH, 23. AND THEN, UM, THE LAND LEASE AGREEMENT CAME BACK TO COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL IN DECEMBER OF 2023. WE'RE HOPING TO BE A LITTLE QUICKER, UM, THAN THAT NINE MONTH PERIOD. UH, BUT THAT'S WAS THE TIMEFRAME FOR THAT ONE, WHICH WAS ENDED UP BEING A 4% LITECH PRO, UH, PROJECT. OKAY. YOU GOOD, PETE? NOT NECESSARILY. BUT IF THE REST OF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S CONTINGENT HERE, THEN BLESS YOU, . RIGHT. OKAY. UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOUR QUESTION. I THINK IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, BIG QUESTION ON EVERYBODY'S MAY, SHOULD BE ON EVERYBODY'S MIND. WHERE ARE WE WITH THE SHELBY PROJECT? AND TELL ME WHY WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR COMPANY. I LIKING THE DESIGNS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. YOU, YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND WITH THE PROJECT YOU HAVE NOW, SO EXPLAIN THAT TO ME SO THAT YEAH. AB ABSOLUTELY. UM, SO WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO CLOSING. ALL OF OUR FINANCING IS DONE. UM, WE ARE, UH, WORKING ON THE FINAL DOCUMENTS WITH, UH, THE CITY OF SEDONA. NOW. OUR PLANS WERE, ARE BEING RESUBMITTED, UM, BACK TO THE CITY TOMORROW MORNING, UM, ON SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS. UM, SO THOSE, THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE, THE, THE FEW MAIN ITEMS THAT WE HAVE LEFT. BUT WE EXPECT A GROUNDBREAKING CLOSING, UH, IN THE BEGINNING OF APRIL. AND, UH, A GROUNDBREAKING WITH, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY MEMBERS, ALL OF YOU, UH, DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, STAKEHOLDERS, UH, TO BE, YOU KNOW, IN EARLY MAY WHEN WE CAN COORDINATE EVERYONE'S SCHEDULE. SO WE'VE, WE'VE, THERE WAS AN, UH, A STATE ISSUE WITH TAXES AND BONDS WHERE THE VOLUME CAP RAN OUT. SO THAT CAUSED US, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT OF TIME OF DELAYS. IT WASN'T JUST US, IT WAS DOZENS OF PROJECTS. UM, UM, BUT WE WERE GIVEN DIRECTORS DISCRETION, UM, A FEW MONTHS AGO. SO THAT WAS GOT US BACK ON TRACK. SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE BIGGEST, BIGGEST DELAY IS 'CAUSE WE WERE SCHEDULED TO TRY TO CLOSE AT THE END OF LAST YEAR. I'M AWARE. AND THAT'S WHY I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED NOW TO GIVE ANOTHER CONTRACT TO THE SAME COMPANY, QUITE HONESTLY. I MEAN, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. SO, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT INFORMATION THAT, SO YOU'RE SAYING BEGINNING OF APRIL? YEP. OKAY. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT, THAT WE HAVE? UH, ARE YOU DONE WITH THE PRESENTATION? I THINK MAY, BEGINNING OF MAY. OKAY. GRAND. I HAVE A QUESTION. GROUNDBREAKING, GROUNDBREAKING, GROUNDBREAKING BEGINNING OF MAY WITH EVERYONE'S SCHEDULES. OKAY. BUT THE SHOVEL, YOU'RE GONNA START WORK IN APRIL? YEAH, WE, YEAH. EVERYTHING CLOSES AND SHOVELS ARE IN THE GROUND THE NEXT DAY. AND WE IN MAY IN MAY OR IN APRIL? THE, IN APRIL. IN APRIL, OKAY. YEAH. OKAY, DEREK. BUT WE WILL, WE WILL SCHEDULE THE GRAND OPENING FOR MAY. I'M AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE GRAND OPENING AS I AM ABOUT SHOVELING THE GROUND. GOTCHA, GOTCHA. THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERN ON TO CLARIFY THOUGH. OKAY, DEREK. AND THEN, UH, BRIAN, I'M ON PAGE, UH, SO OH YEAH, THIS DOES, YEAH, THIS DOES END THE PRESENTATION. SO WE ARE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS. OKAY. I'M ON PAGE 2 33 OF THE PACKET THAT SHOWS THE AERIAL VIEW. UM, IT'S JUST A ROUGH RENDERING, I GUESS, OF WHAT YOU WANNA BUILD. DOES THIS WORK, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO FALCON PLACE, DOES THIS WORK AS A SITE? YEAH, THE ACCESS RIGHT IN THE BACK ON, ON THE, THE FIRE ACCESS, ANYTHING. I MEAN, I, I DROVE BY THIS ON THE WAY OVER HERE, AND THERE'S A PRETTY BIG DROP BETWEEN THIS SITE AND FALCON PLACE. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOUR PROPERTY ABUTS THE FALCON PLACE OR THIS PROPERTY. DO YOU WANNA, [03:05:01] SO THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU CANNOT HAVE ACCESS TO FALCON PLACE, CAN YOU STILL MAKE THIS SITE WORK? MM-HMM . UM, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, THEY, THEY FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE WILL HAVE ACCESS OR NOT, THAT WE WILL HAVE A FIRE TURNAROUND WITH A FIRE. AND IF THERE IS NEEDS TO BE AN ACCESS, IT WON'T BE, IT WOULD LIKE MORE OF A CRASH CRASH GATE FOR FIRE ACCESS. WHERE THOUGH, IF YOU, ON THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE BY THE FALCON, HAVE YOU BEEN TO THIS SITE? YEAH. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING THE, BRING IT DOWN THE GRADE DOWN SUBSTANTIALLY TO BRING, TO GET IT TO THAT ONE. WE GONNA HAVE TO GRADE, GRADE IT UP AND GRADE IT TOGETHER. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S COMMON AREA OF PART OF WYNDHAM. RIGHT. I DON'T, WELL, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT E EMAIL, SO. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ALLUDING TO. AND THAT, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION IF, IF YOU CANNOT GET ACCESS TO FALCON PLACE FOR WHATEVER REASON, UM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THERE'S ALSO OPPORTUNITIES ON BLUE HERRING. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON FALCON. UM, AND THE FIRE DISTRICT ALREADY LOOKED AT IT AND TENTATIVELY OPINE THAT WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO ACCESS. UM, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. SO THERE'S, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS, AND THIS IS ALSO WAS THEIR PLAN THEY SUBMITTED IN, IN THE RFP, UM, THE RFP, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE 'EM TO BUILD EXACTLY THIS. THEY NEED TO GET IN A WINNING APPLICATION INTO A DO. SO THEY HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS UNTIL THEY SUBMIT THEIR, THEIR PLAN. SO I EXPECT THIS, IF IT HASN'T ALREADY CHANGED, THAT IT WILL, UH, CHANGE QUITE A BIT BEFORE THEY PUT IN THE APPLICATION. KURT, WHY WOULDN'T WE NEED TO ACCESS POINTS? ISN'T, I THOUGHT THAT WAS CODE YOU JUST SAID THEY'VE LOOKED AT IT DETERMINED WE WOULD NEED TO, WHY WOULDN'T WE NEED TO? WE WON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO. THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH TO BLUE HERON. THEY COULD FIGHT ANY FIRES FROM THERE. SO I THINK THIS WILL LIKELY, THIS WILL GET FLOCKED. THE, THE BUILDINGS WILL BE ON THE CLOSER TO BLUE HERON, UM, AND THE DRIVE AISLE WILL BE IN BETWEEN, UM, PRO SOURCE AND, UM, AND THEN THE BUILDINGS. AND SO THAT THEN THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO ANY ADDITIONAL FIRE FIGHTING IF THEY NEED IT FROM BLUE HERON. I SEE BEHIND YOU THAT MR. TEZ WANTS TO JUMP IN. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WAS JUST GONNA BACK UP WHAT KURT WAS SAYING. I PERSONALLY DID SPEAK WITH THE ACTING FIRE MARSHAL ABOUT THIS VARIANCE, UH, ISSUE. AND THAT WAS HIS REPLY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE, IT WOULD BE CLOSE ENOUGH TO BLUE HERON THAT THEY COULD SET UP THE ENGINES ON THAT SIDE AND FIGHT THE FIRE, UH, FROM THAT ROAD. AND SO THAT DIDN'T NEC THEY DIDN'T NEED THE SECOND MEANS OF ADDRESS OR ACCESS. AND, AND ADDITIONALLY THE SITE, YOU KNOW, WHICH THE CITY WAS LOOKING AT WHEN IT PURCHASED, IT ALREADY HAS TWO DRIVEWAYS ON 89 A. AND SO AS THE LAST RESORT, YOU'RE GONNA, WE WILL KEEP BOTH THOSE DRIVEWAYS, UM, SO THAT THERE'S YOUR TWO ACCESSES, RIGHT, RIGHT THERE. SO THAT'S NOT THE PREFERRED, UM, USE. THEY'D LIKE TO CLOSE OFF ONE OF THOSE, UH, AND, AND GET ACCESS OR AT LEAST FIRE ACCESS OFF OF BLUE HERON. UH, BUT THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY PLENTY TO, TO BETER DETERMINED THERE. SO NONE OF THAT'S ANYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO NECESSARILY FIGURE OUT WHETHER DEVELOPERS FIGURED OUT YET. THAT'D BE DONE THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS THROUGH P AND Z. WHERE IS BLUE HERON? THE, THE, THE, THE NORTH SOUTH ROAD DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF THIS SITE? IS THAT A PUBLIC RIGHTAWAY? CAN YOU SEE NOW IT'S ALL, IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD. IT'S WHO OWNS IT? THIS IS BLUE, THE WYNDHAM. SO, WELL, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT SAID NO. YEAH. SENT US THE LETTER. SO THE, THE LETTER WE RECEIVED WAS ABOUT HEIGHT. IT WASN'T NECESSARILY ABOUT NO WYN. IT SAYS NO EGRESS AND EGRESS. SO THERE'S, THERE'S OPTIONS FOR THE CITY THERE IF IT WANTS TO. SO, OKAY, THERE'S ROOM FOR NEGOTIATION. THERE'S, I DON'T WANNA KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH. SO HOLLY HAST, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S FINISHED, BUT THEN STILL BRIAN, NO, LET BRIAN GO AND THEN I HAVE A OKAY. BRIAN, COMPLETELY SEPARATE QUESTION. OKAY, BRIAN. AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK TO KATHY'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE ALSO. OKAY. THEN KATHY, FINISH UP. OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT THE, ONE OF THE CONCERNS, BECAUSE FALCON PLACE AS WELL WAS, WAS REFERENCED, UM, IN CORRESPONDENCE THAT WE RECEIVED, BUT BY THAT WYNDHAM NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE PROTECTED, PROTECTED WOULD, WOULDN'T HAVE TRAFFIC, UH, GOING IN BY NOT HAVING TO HAVE THAT SECOND INGRESS EGRESS. RIGHT. SO THE SECOND ONE, YES, THEY WOULDN'T, YOU WOULD, THERE WON'T BE THERE ANY IMPACT ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN 89 A. AND, AND I BELIEVE THE IDEA ALSO IS IT COULD JUST BE A FIRE ACCESS FOR AN EMERGENCY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK TOO. WHICH, WHICH IS WHAT WE REQUIRE LOTS OF DEVELOPMENTS TO REQUIRE CROSS ACCESS, UM, UH, ESPECIALLY FOR FIRE PURPOSES. ALRIGHT, SO LET ME JUMP INTO THAT TOO. ON THE SAME TOPIC. UH, JEANNIE, HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO, UH, THE WYNDHAM ABOUT A G YOU KNOW, NOT GATED CHAINED FIRE ACCESS ONLY? [03:10:01] IS THAT A, A POSSIBILITY? SO, SO I ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED WITH THEM. UM, IT'S COMING UP VERY SOON ABOUT, UM, DISCUSSING THESE ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. SO WE WILL BE, UM, I'LL BE COMMUNICATING WITH THEM AND WE'LL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, FINDING OUT, NEGOTIATING WITH THEM WHAT, WHAT WE COULD, UM, EXPECT FROM THEM. SAME TOPIC. GO AHEAD. KURT. DOES BLUE HERON, SO BLUE HERON IS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, HE SAID A DIFFERENT TOPIC. NO, BLUE HERON. I'M SORRY, YOU SAID IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD. IS THERE, IS THERE EMERGENCY SERVICES EASEMENT ON IT OR ANYTHING? OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO ACQUIRE? SO, UH, NO, THERE'S ALWAYS WOULDN'T HAVE MAY JUST SAY, WE DON'T WANNA GIVE YOU ANYTHING. WE DON'T WANNA GIVE YOU ACCESS DOWN HERE. OUR DEPARTMENT HAS ACCESS TO ANY, INCLUDING PRIVATE ROADS IF YOU WANT FIRE SERVICES. SO, UM, FIRE SERVICE TO SERVE THIS PROPERTY. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND IF IT DIDN'T MEET ALL THE CODES REQUIREMENTS AND IT WOULDN'T BE BUILT. OKAY. ALRIGHT, BRIAN. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR, ON PACKET PAGE 2 33, IT MENTIONS THE 75 YEAR GROUND LEASE TERM. UH, AND THEN AT THE END OF THE INITIAL AFFORDABILITY PERIOD OF 30 YEARS, THE CITY HAS THE OPTION TO PURCHASE THE PROJECT FOR A HUNDRED DOLLARS. WHAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF THE COMMERCIALLY STANDARD REQUIREMENT FOR THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY SO THAT AT THIS 30 YEAR POINT, SHOULD THE CITY CHOOSE TO EXERCISE ITS OPTION, IT'S NOT BUYING A SLUM? LIKE WHAT, WHAT WHAT ASSURANCE IS THERE THAT THIS PROJECT THAT THIS PROPERTY IS, IS PROPERLY MAINTAINED OVER THAT 30 YEAR TIME PERIOD? SO THE, THE, THE MAINTENANCE, UM, PLAN IS BUILT IN TO THE, THE, UM, INTO THE PROJECT, RIGHT? SO THERE IS A TIMELINE OF MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES THAT IS RELATIVE TO THIS PROJECT? ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. IN THIS PROGRAM, THERE'S A LOT OF OVERSIGHT AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONSERVATIVE, UH, THIS THAT'S PUT INTO DEALS. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO NOT ONLY, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, FUNCTION, UH, VERY WELL, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE FUNCTION FOR THE LONG TERM. UM, SO, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S EXTENDED USE PERIODS. SO THE AFFORDABILITY RESTRICTIONS HAVE TO JUST THROUGH A TAX CREDIT PROGRAM GONE FOR 30 YEARS. UM, SO THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY LOOK AT THOSE PROJECTS, WE LOOK AT THOSE PROJECTS AND WE CAN'T SELL THESE PROJECTS. LIKE WE HAVE TO KEEP THEM FOR AT LEAST TILL THAT 30 YEAR PERIOD. AND I ALSO HAVE PERSONAL GUARANTEES TO MAKE SURE NOT ONLY THAT THE COMPLIANCE, THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO LIVE THERE ARE LIVING THERE. UM, BUT ALSO THE OPERATIONS OF THE PROJECTS. I HAVE OPERATING DEFICIT GUARANTEES. UM, AND THAT THE PRO PROJECT FUNCTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A, WE DON'T, YOU CAN'T SELL THESE PROJECTS. SO ME AND MY BUSINESS PARTNER, WE HAVE TO, WE'RE WE'RE PART OF YOUR COMMUNITY. SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S OUR, OUR LIVELIHOOD, IT'S OUR REPUTATION. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE BECOME A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND THESE PROJECTS ARE, YOU KNOW, VERY IMPACTFUL TO THE RESIDENTS LIVES. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE DO THIS, SO. OKAY. BUT YOUR FINANCIAL MODEL INCLUDES RESERVES FOR YES, ABSOLUTELY. REPLACING ROOFS? ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S GONNA BREAK AND NEED TO BE REPLACED IN 30 YEARS, RIGHT? YES. EVERYTHING. RIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MAYOR. AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL. IN THE LEASE, THE PROPOSED LEASE LANGUAGE, IT, IT SAYS THAT IF THEY FAIL TO MAINTAIN REPAINT, REBUILD, UM, REPLACE ANYTHING THAT'S BROKEN WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER NOTICE FROM THE CITY, THEN THE CITY CAN TERMINATE THE LEASE. SO THEY'RE, THEY'LL HAVE ALL INCENTIVE TO KEEP THE PROJECT, UM, KEPT UP. OKAY. VICE MAYOR. SO I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT IN FLAGSTAFF. MM-HMM . IT'S A 76 UNITS AND YOU GOT 9% FOR THAT, RIGHT? 9% CREDITS. YEAH. OKAY. SO IN THE APPLICATION THAT WE'VE GOT IN OUR PACKET, YOU, WE HAVE YOUR APPLICATION BASICALLY, AND WE HAVE LETTERS FROM FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AWARDING YOU, UH, FUNDING, FINANCING FOR THIS PROJECT, OUR PROJECT. DIDN'T YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT FOR FLAGSTAFF PROJECT AS WELL? YEAH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE FINANCING COMMITMENTS. OKAY. AND EVERYTHING'S CONTINGENT. IF YOU COULD AWARD, SO YOU, YOU HAD FINANCING COMMITMENTS, YOU GOT THE AWARD, AND YET FLAGSTAFF SAYS THAT YOU'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE FINANCING AND THAT YOU HAVEN'T, YOU'VE ONLY COMPLETED A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF THE 76 UNITS. THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE PROJECT'S COMPLETE. UH, WE FINISHED THE END OF [03:15:01] NOVEMBER AND WE'RE ALMOST FULLY LEASED UP. OKAY. SO THERE'S A DISCONNECT THERE. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. YEP. DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THOUGH. YEAH, YEAH. NO, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ALMOST FULLY LEASED AND WE'LL BE ON A WAITING LIST FOR IN THE NEXT FEW, FEW WEEKS, SO, GREAT. THANKS FOR THAT. YEAH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THE QUESTIONS. UH, DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE BEFORE I GO TO THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. SO LET'S OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. WE HAVE DAVID KEY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY CHERYL BARON. DAVID, IT'S THE FIRST TIME UP THERE. THREE MINUTES. AND START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. MY NAME IS DAVID KEY. I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA. I ALSO SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE GREATER SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. UM, I'VE BEEN TOLD TO BE GOOD, BE BRIEF AND BE GONE, SO I'M NOT GONNA USE THE FULL THREE MINUTES. UM, I DO WANNA SAY THAT I AM GRATEFUL THAT THE LITECH PROGRAM EXISTS, UM, IN CASES WHERE PROJECTS LIKE THIS WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT THESE CONDITIONS, WITHOUT MAKING IT, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY VIABLE FOR A PROFITABLE ORGANIZATION TO TAKE PART. UM, I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING. I THINK THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION, SOME NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS THAT COME WITH THE TERM AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND I THINK SOME FOLKS, AND REALLY JUST SAYING THIS FOR, I DON'T THINK ANYONE IN THE ROOM, BUT MAYBE WHO MIGHT WITNESS THIS ONLINE, IT'S NOT JUST AN INTERCHANGEABLE TERM, WORKFORCE HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I THINK IT'S A VERY INTENTIONAL TERM. I THINK IT REALLY SERVES THE PEOPLE THAT SERVE US IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL TERM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED INTO THESE DISCUSSIONS, WHICH IS INCOME ALIGNED HOUSING. UM, SOME FOLKS, THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, PRIVILEGE REALLY OF HAVING THAT INCOME THAT SUPPORTS THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT THEY NEED THAT WOULD SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE. SO I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THE ONE, TWO, AND THREE BEDROOM OPTIONS. UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WE HAVE SURROUNDING MARKETS THAT WOULD SUPPORT HOUSING AT A DIFFERENT COST, BUT THEN INCREASED COSTS OF TRANSPORTATION, INCREASED COST OF CHILDCARE, UH, QUALITY OF LIFE GOES DOWN THE LONGER YOU SPEND ON THE ROAD. SO ALL THAT TO SAY, UM, I SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS LIKE THIS. I'M GLAD THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING THE D DUE DILIGENCE. I TRUST THAT THIS DEAL WILL WORK OUT IF IT'S A GOOD DEAL, IT WON'T WORK OUT IF IT'S NOT. UM, BUT REALLY I'M EXCITED TO SEE US CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THIS HOUSING CRISIS THROUGH THE HOUSING FUND, THROUGH THE LITECH PROGRAM. REALLY TAKE CARE OF OUR DEDICATED WORKFORCE IN THESE LOCAL BUSINESSES. SEE THEIR, THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVE DRAMATICALLY WITH ACCESS TO INCOME ALIGNED HOUSING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DAVID. OKAY. CHERYL, BE FOLLOWED BY LINDA MARTINEZ. ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO, UH, SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD. UH, OTHERWISE WE'LL CLOSE IT OUT AFTER LINDA. GO AHEAD, CHERYL. HI, CHERYL BARON, RESIDENT OF SEDONA. UM, AND ON BEHALF OF THE LODGING COUNCIL AND ALL OF THE HOSPITALITY WORKERS IN THIS AREA, I APPRECIATE THE DUE DILIGENCE LIKE, UH, DAVID JUST MENTIONED AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE EVEN HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING IS VERY ENCOURAGING. UM, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN DESPERATE NEED OF HOUSING. SO THE FLATS ON BLUE HERON POTENTIALLY PROVIDE WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR OUR COMMUNITY. LET ME ASK YOU TO THINK FOR A MOMENT ABOUT THE FACES OF THE PEOPLE WHO SERVE US EVERY DAY. THE HEALTHCARE WORKERS, UM, THE TEACHERS SHAPING OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS, THE SERVERS, THE CASHIERS WHO GREET US WITH A SMILE WHEN WE GO OUT TO DINNER. THESE ARE OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR FRIENDS, AND THE VERY FABRIC OF OUR CITY. YET BEHIND THOSE SMILES, MANY OF THEM ARE STRUGGLING. THE COST OF HOUSING HAS SOARED, FORCING THEM TO MAKE TOUGH CHOICES, DECISIONS THAT NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO FACE. IMAGINE BEING A SINGLE PARENT, WORKING TWO JOBS JUST TO KEEP A ROOF OVER YOUR CHILD'S HEAD. I HAVE A BRIEF STORY. I HIRED A HA HOMELESS PERSON TO BE A HOUSEKEEPER WITH MY SMALL BUSINESS. RIGHT AFTER THAT, SHE WAS ABLE TO GET, UM, AN APARTMENT THAT WAS WAY TOO EXPENSIVE FOR HER, BUT SHE DID IT SO THAT SHE COULD KEEP HER SON. IF SHE DIDN'T PROVIDE HIM OR PROVIDE A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT FOR THEIR FAMILY, SHE WOULD LOSE CUSTODY OF HER SON. SHE NOW CAN'T AFFORD THAT APARTMENT AND IS GETTING EVICTED. THE GOOD STORY IS, UM, THERE'S A HOUSING UNIT THAT JUST GOT, THAT IS JUST BEING OPENED IN COTTONWOOD. UM, WHAT'S THE NAME OF IT? OAK WASH. OAK WASH. SHE GOT APPROVED FOR A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT IN OAK WASH, AND SHE NOW HAS, SHE'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE RENT THAT WE SAW HERE. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY SHE'D BE ABLE TO MAKE IT AND KEEP HER SON. THAT'S A BIG DEAL, AND THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF THESE FAMILIES ARE FACING. [03:20:01] SO I, I CAN'T EVEN EXPRESS ENOUGH HOW MUCH I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT AND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE IN SEDONA REGARDING WORKFORCE HOUSING. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING THAT. THANK YOU, CHERYL. OKAY, LINDA, GOOD EVENING. MAYOR JALO AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, LINDA MARTINEZ, UH, RESIDENT OF SEDONA AND THE GRASSROOTS HOUSING ADVOCACY GROUP, UM, YET HAD, WE'D SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE VISITOR CENTER AND KIOSK TO MAKE OUR VISITORS FEEL WELCOME. AND MR. FURMAN, YOU HAD MADE A COMMENT ALSO TO REMEMBER THAT WE ARE A COMMUNITY, WE'RE A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS APPLICATION. LET'S NOT LOSE SIGHT OF WHAT THIS IS. THIS IS NOT THE, WE IT'S NOT GET INTO THE WEEDS OR THE DETAILS OF IT, BUT IT'S TO PROCEED TO GO FORWARD. AND THIS SPEAKS TO, UM, WELCOMING AND MAKING A PLACE AND A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM FOR OUR WORKERS, OUR FAMILIES, AND OUR SENIORS. SO, A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT. AT 30 TO TO 60% OF A MI WE'RE LOOKING AT AROUND $23,000 TO $40,000 A YEAR. THAT COULD BE SENIORS ON FIXED INCOMES TO PEOPLE WORKING IN OUR SCHOOLS, IN OUR BANKS, IN OUR STORES, IN, IN A, UH, HOSPITALITY. WE DON'T, WHATEVER THEIR JOB MAY BE. BUT THIS IS REALLY ALIGNED WITH SO MANY OF THE INCOMES IN SEDONA. ADD TO THAT, THAT WE INCREASED OUR SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN FEBRUARY BY ANOTHER PERCENT, PUTTING US AT 1,222 SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WHICH YOU ALL KNOW, AND IN THE AREA, WHY NOT THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK OR SURROUNDING AREAS, WE'RE ALMOST AT 2000 SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SO WE ARE LOSING, AND THIS IS SUCH A SMALL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE, IT'S 36 UNITS AND WE NEED IT DESPERATELY. ALSO, YOU PROBABLY ARE ALREADY AWARE THAT THE FOOD BANK HAS INCREASED THEIR, THEIR, UH, THAT THEIR, UH, USERS BY 25 TO 30%. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE. SO WITH THAT, JUST KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS FEDERAL MONEY. THAT MONEY MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE NEXT YEAR IF THEY DON'T MAKE IT INTO THE APPLICATION THIS YEAR. THEY MAY NOT HAVE THAT MONEY AVAILABLE NEXT YEAR. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING AT A FEDERAL LEVEL, BUT THINGS ARE CHANGING RAPIDLY. AND AFTER 30 YEARS, THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION. WE MIGHT CONSIDER HOUSING TRUST WORKING WITH THE NONPROFIT LIKE HOUSING SOLUTION OF NORTHERN ARIZONA, AND WE CAN KEEP IT AFFORDABLE. THERE'S A LOT OF EXCITING OPTIONS, BUT IT ALL BEGINS WITH YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, LINDA. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND CLOSE OUT THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. UH, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO NOW COMMENTS. DEREK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START? SURE. UM, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. UM, I DID HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE ACCESS ISSUES WITH THE NEIGHBOR, UH, THE FACT THAT THEY'RE SURROUNDED BY PRIVATE STREETS, BUT I HAVE FAITH IN OUR PUBLIC WORKS FOLKS AND, UH, KURT TO GET ALL THAT WORKED OUT. UM, THIS IS WHY WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY AND I'M ACTUALLY REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, ON THE TABLE THIS QUICK. UH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET HOUSING DONE, WE NEED TO GET SHOVELS ON THE GROUND, AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY. SO I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE IT, PETE. YEAH, THANK YOU MAYOR. I, UH, 2:00 AM GONNA SUPPORT THIS PROJECT UNDER, YOU KNOW, WITH MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHAT WE ARE APPROVING HERE TONIGHT IS THE SELECTION OF THIS PARTNER, THE APPLICATION FOR A LITECH PROJECT. I THINK THEN A STAFF, IF, IF THE AWARD IS GRANTED, THEN STAFF NEGOTIATES A LEASE AND THEN IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL. NO OTHER DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE ON THIS PROJECT OTHER THAN PERHAPS THE NUMBER OF UNITS WE'RE KIND OF LIMITED THERE. BUT THE DESIGN ISN'T SET. THE ACCESS OUT THE SOUTH ISN'T SET. YOU KNOW, NOTHING HAS REALLY SET THIS COUNCIL. WE'LL GET, AND P AND Z AND OTHER STAGES ALONG THE WAY. WE'LL GET MORE BITES AT THE APPLE AND LOOK AT THE DESIGN AND APPROVAL AND ALL THE REST. SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT. KATHY, UH, ONE FINAL QUESTION. IF THIS GOES IN NOW FOR THE, THE APPLICATIONS, AND IT'S A HIGHLY COMPETITIVE PROCESS FOR THE 9%, IF WE'RE NOT SUCCESSFUL, DOES THIS GO BACK IN AROUND FOR 4%? SO IF WE ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL WITH THE 9%, WE STAFF, HOUSING STAFF AND, UM, CITY STAFF WILL PUT TOGETHER [03:25:01] SOME SUGGESTIONS TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR YOUR FINAL DECISION. ULTIMATELY, THIS IS YOUR DECISION. MM-HMM . WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A 4% PROJECT RIGHT NOW. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 9%. AND SO NOTHING TIME, NOTHING HAPPENS AUTOMATICALLY. IF, IF, IF THIS, THIS, THIS IS ONE APPLICATION FOR 9% FOR THIS, AND IF IT DOES, IT'S NOT SUCCESSFUL, WE START OVER, AUTOMATICALLY GOES INTO THE POOL THOUGH, POSSIBLY. SO IT, UM, IT IS POSSIBLE TO, TO DO A 4%, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, AT SUCH TIME WHEN IF, IF WE DO NOT GET AWARDED THE 9%, THEN WE WILL BE COMING BACK. WE START OVER. OKAY. YES, THAT'S FINE. THE QUESTION. THANK YOU. RIGHT. THAT WAS THE QUESTION. UM, SO KATHY, CAN I JUST INTERRUPT? SURE. KURT, WOULD WE HAVE TO REISSUE AN RFP? YES, MOST LIKELY. OKAY. OKAY. SO, UM, THANK YOU. GOOD QUESTION. WE CAN LOOK AT THE, THE LANGUAGE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY, BUT MOST LIKELY IT'LL BE A NEW RFP. OKAY. UM, OKAY. JUST UNDERSTANDING THE CO COMPETITIVE PROCESS THAT IT IS. BUT I, I JUST HAVE TO SAY I DO SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION, UM, AGAIN, AS WAS SAID BY MY COLLEAGUE OVER HERE, THAT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WHAT WE'RE APPROVING HERE TONIGHT IS A SELECTION OF THE PERSON, THE ENTITY THAT WILL BE GOING FORWARD AS THE APPLICANT FOR THIS. UM, ALSO WITH THE CAVEAT THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT 36 UNITS IS SORT OF IN STONE HERE BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION, BUT THAT THE MIX MIGHT BE SUBJECT TO CHANGE. UH, AND, AND OF COURSE THAT THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND THE BUILDING LAYOUTS EVEN NUMBER OF BUILDINGS MIGHT BE SUBJECT TO CHANGE. IS THAT THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. ACCORDING TO P AND Z APPROVAL AND THEN A DA. YES. OKAY. THAT IS CORRECT. SO WITH THE, WITH THOSE UNDERSTANDINGS AND THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH A P AND Z REVIEW BEFORE WE GET TO THE POINT OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, I HAVE TO SAY I THINK THIS IS A REALLY PERFECT LOCATION FOR A PROJECT OF THIS TYPE DUE TO ITS PROXIMITY TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, TO SUPERMARKET AND OTHER AMENITY SHOPPING. UM, I THINK IT'S A SMALL PROJECT AT 36 UNITS, UH, ONE THAT THE CITY DESPERATELY NEEDS IS SOMETHING AT THIS LEVEL. SO I, I FULLY SUPPORT GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU KATHY. BRIAN, THANK YOU MAYOR. I SUPPORT THE ASK. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU BRIAN. MELISSA, I HAVE SUPPORTED WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECTS IN THE PAST. I CONTINUE TO SUPPORT WORKFORCE, WORKFORCE HOUSING. I ALSO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT BRINGING IN FAMILIES AND SUPPORTING FAMILIES IN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK THIS PROJECT FITS THE BILL. SO I AM IN SUPPORT. OKAY. VICE MAYOR, I TOO SUPPORT THE PROJECT AND I WANNA THANK YOU. THIS IS INCREDIBLY QUICK. WE, WE JUST CLOSED ON THIS PROPERTY LIKE TWO WEEKS AGO AND SO HAT'S OFF TO YOU. IT'S A VERY TIGHT DEADLINE TO MAKE, SO THANK YOU. SO I TOO WILL SUPPORT IT FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY STATED. WE NEED TO REPEAT THE COMMENTS SO I TOO SUPPORT IT. CAN I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? I, NOBODY'S ON THE PAGE. I KNOW . I GOT IT. HOLD ON. KATHY DROPPED THE BALL. I GOT ACADEMY, DROPPED THE BALL. I, I MOVED TO APPROVE AWARD OF 25 DASH 12 R-F-P-L-I-H-T-C, DEVELOPMENT AND MANAGEMENT TO HS DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS LLC TO DEVELOP A 9%, I COULD SAY LITECH MULTIFAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AT 24 11 WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A AND APPROVAL OF A LEASE OPTION AGREEMENT CONTINGENT UPON HS DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS RECEIVING A 9% L TECH AWARD SUCCESSFULLY NEGOTIATING A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? WE UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. TRY TO BEAT THAT STORM COMING ON YOUR WAY, ON YOUR WAY BACK HOME. [8.c. AB 3200 Discussion/possible action regarding adoption of a Capital Assets Policy.] OKAY, ITEM C, AB 3,200. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING ADOPTION OF A CAPITAL ASSETS POLICY. I'M GUESSING THIS WOULD BE BARBARA. I DUNNO WHY I WOULD COME UP WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD JUST BE A GOOD GUESS. SORRY, I FORGOT I WAS NEXT. . [03:30:01] I WAS, I WAS ALL IN ON THE HOUSING THING AND NOT THINKING ABOUT THAT. I WAS NEXT. SO, UM, BEFORE YOU IS, UH, WELL IT'S NEW, BUT IT'S ALSO THE FIRST ONE THAT THIS CITY HAS HAD, WHICH IS A POLICY ESTABLISHING HOW WE ACCOUNT FOR AND MANAGE OUR CAPITAL ASSETS IN THE CITY. UM, AND OF COURSE, CAPITAL ASSETS ARE ASSETS THAT ARE CAPITALIZED OR DEPRECIATED OVER TIME VERSUS JUST ANY OTHER ASSET. UM, USUALLY REALLY LARGE ASSETS INCLUDING LAND, BUILDINGS, ALL THOSE THINGS. AND SINCE THE CITY HAS OVER 220 MILLION, UM, NET OF DEPRECIATION IN CAPITAL ASSETS, I THINK HAVING, UM, THIS POLICY IS, IS IMPORTANT. I KNOW IT'S SO EXCITING. LIKE YOU CAN HARDLY HOLD YOURSELVES BACK, BUT TRY. ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR BARBARA? NO, SIR. PETE. THANK YOU MARY. UH, SO BARBARA, THANKS FOR PUTTING TOGETHER A, A POLICY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE FUNCTIONALLY, RIGHT? THE SEDONA HAS A REPUTATION BEING WELL-MANAGED OVER TIME, AND I THINK OUR BALLOT SHEET AND BUDGET SHOWS THAT. ARE YOU SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGING ANYTHING IN THE POLICY THAT WAS IN PRACTICE BEFORE? NO. NO, NOT SUBSTANTIALLY. THERE ARE A COUPLE CHANGES LIKE, UM, ESTABLISHING A THRESHOLD FOR DIFFERENT ASSETS OF LIKE 50,000 FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS, WHICH WE, WHICH WE DO USE RIGHT NOW, INCREASING VEHICLES FROM FIVE TO 10,000 FOR A MINIMUM BECAUSE 5,000, WE'RE NOT GONNA FIND ANY VEHICLES FOR 5,000. UM, THOUGH WE DO, TO BE CLEAR, IF WE HAVE LIKE COMPUTER AND SOFTWARE ASSETS THAT ARE LESS THAN THAT, WE COMBINE THEM AND CAPITALIZE THEM ON THE WHOLE BECAUSE THEY STILL NEED TO BE TRACKED AND THEY ARE DEPRECIABLE ASSETS. AND, UH, THE GASB, THE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING STANDARDS BOARD NOW SAYS WE HAVE TO DO THAT EVEN WITH THOSE SMALLER, LIKE HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE ITEMS, RIGHT? SO NOTHING IN THIS POLICY WILL IMPERIL THE GOOD FINANCIAL PRACTICES THAT WE NO, IT, IT REALLY JUST LAYS IT DOWN AND SAYS THIS ASSET IS THIS KIND OF THING. HERE'S HOW LONG IT SHOULD BE DEPRECIATED OVER. IT'S JUST MAKING MORE CLEAR WHAT WE WERE ALREADY DOING IN PRACTICE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I'M NOT SEEING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ANY COMMENTS? OKAY. UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION I MOVE TO ADOPT THE PROPOSED CAPITAL ASSETS POLICY? SECOND. SECOND, MELISSA SECOND. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE. WE UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. THAT WAS THE SHORTEST PRESENTATION WE'VE HAD ALL YEAR. I TOLD STEVE I'D TRY TO BEAT HIM HOME, RIGHT. . THANK YOU. [8.d. AB 3202 Discussion/possible action regarding a Customer Construction Agreement for Line Extension, Removal, Relocation, Conversion or Conduit with Arizona Public Service Company for the Forest Road Connection Project and Uptown Parking Garage in the amount of $438,009.33.] OKAY, ITEM D. GOOD WORK, BARBARA. YEAH, REALLY GOOD. AB 32 0 2 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A CUSTOM CUSTOMER CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT FOR LINE EXTENSION REMOVAL, RELOCATION CONVERSION, OR CONDUIT WITH ARIZONA PUBLIC SERVICE COMPANY FOR THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION PROJECT AND UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE IN THE AMOUNT OF 438,000, UH, $9 AND 33 CENTS, BOB AND NOT LEGAL. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. KURT HARRIS, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. I HAVE BOB WELCH, THE PROJECT MANAGER ON OUR FOREST PROJECT. UM, THIS IS THE A PS CUSTOMER CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT FOR THE FOREST ROAD PROJECT. UM, THE REASON WE'RE HERE IS THIS IS AN EXISTING OVERHEAD LINES THAT WERE IN CONFLICT WITH PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION AND NEEDED TO BE RELOCATED TEMPORARILY AND THEN PERMANENTLY. THIS AGENDA BILL ADDRESSES THE ADMINISTRATION FINALIZATION AGREEMENT TO COMPLETE THIS WORK. IT FOLLOWS AN ESTIMATE PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED FOR BUDGET PURPOSES. UM, HERE'S A MAP TRYING TO SHOW HERE. YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, CONTOURS HERE. THIS IS A MAJOR FEED POINT. YOU CAN SHOW THAT. YEAH. SO YEAH, JUST TO RELATE REAL QUICKLY WHERE, WHAT FACILITIES AND WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH UNDER THIS CUSTOMER AGREEMENT. UM, THIS CUSTOMER UH, CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT ACTUALLY DEALS WITH THIS TEMPORARY OVERHEAD LINE THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE TO SUPPORT THE CONSTRUCTION WORK ON FOREST ROAD. AND IT SUPPORTS AS WELL THE PERMANENT RELOCATION OF A PS FACILITIES WITHIN THE FOREST ROAD RIGHT OF WAY AS WELL AS [03:35:01] THE DEDICATED, UH, PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT IN THIS AREA HERE. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT THIS, UH, A PS CONNECTION IS A MAJOR POWER SOURCE CONNECTION THAT COMES IN FROM THE WEST AND THEN ALSO FROM THE SOUTH. SO PART OF THIS PROJECT IS GONNA PROVIDE EXTRA POWER SUPPLY TO THE WHOLE UPTOWN AREA, UM, TO MAKE THE UPTOWN AREA MORE RESILIENT FOR, UH, POWER SUPPLY IN CASE OUTAGES AND SO ON. AGAIN, IT'S PUTTING EVERYTHING UNDERGROUND AS WELL. UH, BUDGET ITEMS WAS, UH, A PS IS A, THE TEMPORARY INSTALLATION WAS UNDER BUDGET AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT, AND A PS IS PARTNERED IN REPURPOSING EXISTING CONDUIT THAT HELPED TO STAY WITHIN BUDGET AS WE MOVED ON TO THE PERMANENT INSTALLATION, WHICH WE HAVE THERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. THE PERMANENT INSTALLATION IS A LITTLE BIT OVER BUDGET, BUT OVERALL THIS IS WITHIN THE POWER BUDGET THAT WE'VE OUTLINED FOR THIS COMPANY, FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, OVERALL THE PROJECT REMAINS IN BUDGET, UH, WITHIN BUDGET AND WE'RE PRESENTING THIS TO YOU TODAY FOR YOUR APPROVAL QUESTIONS QUESTION, DEREK, JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS NOT A CHANGE ORDER, CORRECT? NO, NO. THIS IS, ITS APPROVAL. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE, JUST GOING INTO IT, WE KNEW WE WERE GONNA SPEND THIS MUCH MONEY TO DO THIS WORK AND WE'RE NOW DOING THAT. YES. THANK YOU PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, KURT, YOU HAD SAID THAT THIS ELEMENT OF THE PROJECT IS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE INITIAL ESTIMATES, BUT IT'S STILL WITHIN THE POWER BUDGET FOR THE PROGRAM. WOULD, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE HAD SOME CONTINGENCY IN THE OVERALL POWER BUDGET THAT THIS HAS FELL? HOW, HOW DID YOU WORK THAT MAGIC OF BEING A LITTLE OVER BUDGET BUT STILL ON BUDGET ? YEAH, SO WE HAD ESTIMATED ROUGHLY $400,000 FOR THIS WORK ON, ON THE PART OF A PS. WHAT ULTIMATELY HAPPENED IS A PS WAS HELD ABLE TO WORK WITH US ON SOME EXISTING, UH, CONDUIT THAT WAS IN PLACE THAT RAN TO THE UPPER END OF THE PROJECT. AND I'LL POINT THAT OUT IN HERE. UH, WHERE THEY HAD PLANNED TO, UH, DO SOME ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS DUE TO THE LIMITED COVER THAT WOULD, THAT THE FORCE WOULD PROJECT WOULD PLACE ON THEIR UTILITY. THEY WERE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE, THE TRENCH, EXISTING TRENCH WAS IN ROCK AND QUALIFIED FOR SOME SHALLOW COVER. AND, UH, IT AVOIDED US HAVING TO PLACE IT PUT IN PLACE, UH, A COUPLE OF EXTRA PULL BOXES AND SOME ADDITIONAL CONDUIT, WHICH SAVED US ROUGHLY AROUND $170,000. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU MAYOR KATHY? YES. YOU MENTIONED THAT THE, THIS WILL PROVIDE AN EXTRA POWER SOURCE FOR UPTOWN. IS THERE ANOTHER BENEFIT AS WELL THAT IS BURYING THESE LINES IN TERMS OF FIRE RISK AND FIRE SAFETY ISSUES? YES. THAT WOULD HELP PREVENT THAT. IT'S NOT PROVIDING ANOTHER POWER SOURCE IS JUST PROVIDING A MORE RESILIENT UNDERGROUND WITH A HIGHER CAPACITY FOR POWER SUPPLY TO MEET GROWING DEMAND IN THE UPTOWN AREA. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT BY EXTRA, THAT IT WAS INCREASING THE POWER THERE AND AGAIN, AND IT, THIS ALSO DOES CONTRIBUTE TO FIRE SAFETY. CORRECT. ANYTIME YOU BURY OVERHEAD POWER LINES, YOU'RE REDUCING FIRE HAZARDS. THANK YOU, BRIAN. ANYTHING MELISSA VICEMAN AND I HAVE NOTHING AS WELL. OKAY. ANY, ANY COMMENTS? OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION? MELISSA? MELISSA PLEASE? SURE. UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CUSTOMER CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT WITH ARIZONA PUBLIC SERVICE COMPANY IN THE AMOUNT OF FOUR THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED THIRTY EIGHT THOUSAND NINE DOLLARS AND 33 CENTS. OKAY, ANY DISCUSSION? SECOND. THANK YOU. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET TO 33 CENTS OUT MY LAST QUESTION, BUT I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU. UH, ALRIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? WE UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU MAYOR VICE. MAYOR COUNCIL. THANK YOU KURT. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. BOY. AFTER EIGHT 30, THE PRESENTATIONS GO QUICKER, DON'T THEY? WELL, CAN ONLY HOPE. OKAY. HOT SEAT TIME. . [8.e. AB 3192 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of an Ordinance amending Sedona City Code Chapter 5.25 Short Term-Rental (STR) Regulation.] OKAY. ITEM E, AB 31 92. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SEDONA CITY CODE CHAPTER 5.25. SHORT TERM RENTAL STR REGULATION, KURT AND THERESA. OKAY. [03:40:06] GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL, IF TO WAKE MY VOICE BACK UP. SO I, KURT AND I HAVE COME TO YOU TONIGHT TO ASK FOR SOME AMENDMENTS TO SHORT-TERM RENTAL CODE. AND THEY ARE BORN OF THE EXPERIENCE OF THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. WE JUST LAUNCHED THE BEGINNING OF THE THIRD YEAR FOR THE PERMIT PROGRAM. SO THESE ARE THINGS, UM, REFINEMENTS, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE CURRENT AMENDMENT TO, UM, MAKE IT MORE EFFECTIVE. SO YOU HAD A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH THEM. I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH THE AGENDA BILL BRIEFLY AND THEN I'LL ANSWER QUESTIONS AND, AND ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION. SO THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS SOME LANGUAGE, UM, AROUND SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT REQUIRE PERMITS. AND THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A PERMIT NOT ONLY TO ADVERTISE, BUT TO ACTUALLY RENT A PROPERTY. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT GIVES US A LITTLE MORE LATITUDE THAT IF SOMEONE IS RENTING WITHOUT A PERMIT OR ADVERTISING WITHOUT A PERMIT AND RENTING WITHOUT A PERMIT, THAT EXPANDS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A CITATION AND FOREIGN ENFORCEMENT. SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY DIRECT. UM, THE SECOND ITEM IS AROUND RENEWING PERMITS. AND I BELIEVE THE LAST TIME I PRESENTED THE COUNCIL THERE WAS SOME CONCERN AND SOME COMMENTARY ABOUT ENSURING THAT SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS RECEIVE THE FULL YEAR OF THE PERMIT THAT THEY PAY FOR MM-HMM . AND AT THE TIME WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL SOFTWARE WAS ALLOWING, UH, PEOPLE TO RENEW, BUT THE RENEWED PERMITS STARTED WHENEVER THEY RENEWED. SO IF THEY RENEWED EARLY, THEY LOST A PORTION OF THE PERMIT. SOFTWARE WASN'T SET UP TO DO THIS DIFFERENTLY. WELL, I NEGOTIATED A CHANGE WITH GOV OS AND THE NEW CHANGE IS THAT IF SOMEONE RENEWS THEIR PERMIT EARLY, THE NEW PERMIT STARTS ON THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THE PREVIOUS PERMIT. SO REGARDLESS OF WHEN THEY EX WHEN THEY RENEW, THEY WILL GET THE FULL LENGTH OF THEIR PERMIT AND THEY WILL HAVE THAT NEW PERMIT, UH, RENEW ON TIME. THE OTHER SIDE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D CALL IT A BENEFIT, IT DEPENDS ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE. THE SOFTWARE ISN'T, UM, ADAPTABLE. SO WE'RE NOW SUPPORTING PEOPLE WHO RENEW EARLY TO GET THEIR FULL PERMIT. BUT SOMEONE WHO RENEWS LATE WHEN THEY RENEW THEIR NEW PERMIT WILL START RETROACTIVELY TO THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THE PREVIOUS PERMIT. SO IT'S A A FORM OF ENCOURAGEMENT FOR PEOPLE TO RENEW ON TIME. JUST, JUST LIKE THE DMV WITH YOUR AUTO REGISTRATION. IF YOU MISS A MONTH OR TWO AND YOU GO TO RE-REGISTER YOUR CAR, THEY MAKE IT RETROACTIVE TO WHEN YOUR REGISTRATION EXPIRED. SO THERESA, SAY YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT YOU KNOW IS SIX MONTHS NON-COMPLIANT HAVING REGISTERED AND THEN THEY WANNA REGISTER AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. IT GOES BACK TO THE SIX MONTHS WHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DOCUMENT WHERE THEY WERE IN FACT ADVERTISING. OH YEAH. THERE'S, THERE'S NO QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA WANNA RENEW THEIR PERMIT 'CAUSE UM, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE BEEN CITED QUITE A BIT. SO THEY'RE GONNA BE CITED AND THEN LOSE SIX MONTHS OFF OF A PERMIT. OKAY. BUT YES, YES. WHENEVER, WHENEVER THEY RENEW AND IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. I'VE ALREADY HAD SOME PEOPLE RENEWING LATE AND, YOU KNOW, THEY LOSE A WEEK OR, OR A MOMENT OF TIME OFF OF THAT. BUT NOW YOU HAVE SOMEBODY, THE SAME PERSON, SIX MONTHS AND THEY'RE GIVEN A CITATION. IS THAT CITATION FOR THE ONE INSTANCE OF SIX MONTHS OR EVERY DAY, EVERY WEEK OR EVERY MONTH. COUNSEL IS AWARE THAT I HAVE LIMITS IN TERMS OF PAPERWORK, IN TERMS OF TIME FOR, FOR CODE, AND I, HOW OFTEN WE CAN CITE MM-HMM . AND IF, UM, THAT SITUATION CHANGES, I'LL BE HAPPY TO CITE MONTHLY, WEEKLY THAT I THINK THE CITATION PROGRAM WILL ADAPT BASED ON MY ABILITY TO ENFORCE THAT. I I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR WORKLOAD COUNSEL. IT, IT COULD BE ANY OF THOSE. SO A, A SINGLE CITATION COULD INCLUDE EVERY DAY THAT THEY WERE IN VIOLATION. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. SO, UM, YOUR WORKLOAD IS ANOTHER . YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WELL THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S THE ONLY LIMITING FACTOR OTHERWISE, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, PETE? YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, LOOKING AT THIS LANGUAGE THAT YOU POINTED OUT, 25 30, AND IT DOES SAY NO PERSON SHALL AND IT'S PROHIBITED, RIGHT? YOU GOTTA HAVE WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE, WHAT IS THE ENFORCEMENT HERE IN THE SECTION? WHAT IF SOMEONE TAKES OVER, YOU KNOW, BUYS A PLACE AND STARTS TO SHORT TERM RENTAL AND THEY DON'T [03:45:01] HAVE A PERMIT, THEY'RE FLOATING OUR LAWS, WHAT DO WE DO? WE GET CONTACT WITH THEM, THEY GET NOTICE OF PERMITS REQUIRED AND THEY GET A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME, MAYBE TWO WEEKS TO GET THEIR PERMIT AND THEN THEY GET CITED. WHAT ABOUT THE SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR THAT THEY WEREN'T? WELL, WHAT I WANNA SAY IS THAT I'M THROUGH THE WEBSITE ON A REGULAR BASIS AND I WON'T TELL YOU THAT GOBOS IS FOOLPROOF. UM, I'D LIKE TO TELL THE TRUTH TO COUNCIL . UM, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT I WORK THIS PROGRAM AND I'M IN THE SOFTWARE A LOT AND I SEE WHO'S NEW AND I SEE, SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF SOMEONE ADVERTISING FOR SIX MONTHS AND MY NOT CATCHING IT IS REALLY SMALL. I TRUST THAT IMPLICITLY. YEAH. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GOV OS I'M NOT TOO FOND. YEAH. SO YEAH, YOU IS ANOTHER STORY . WELL, AND AND THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER DAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. PETE, ARE YOU DONE? YEAH, I GUESS I, I WONDER WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WHETHER THERE'S FLEXIBILITY HERE FOR US TO BE STRICTER. THIS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE IN THIS TOWN. IF SOMEONE SHOWS UP AND STARTS TO RENT AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT, I DON'T KNOW WHY OUR INITIAL ACTION ISN'T STRONGER THAN WHAT I HEARD. CAN IT BE CERTAINLY IT CERTAINLY CAN. I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. TO, TO PETE'S POINT, I WOULD THINK THAT ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO GET INTO THEIR SHORT TERM MENTAL BUSINESS AT THIS POINT, 10 YEARS INTO THE PROGRAM DOES DOESN'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE REGISTERED IF THEY'RE COMING TO SEDONA. RIGHT. WELL, HERE'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE. UM, UH, JOE AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH COMMUNICATIONS AND ARE HOPING TO DO KIND OF A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE ON THE WEBSITE. MM-HMM . WE'RE TWO YEARS INTO THE PROGRAM, WE KNOW A LOT MORE. THERE'S A LOT MORE INFORMATION AND THE LANGUAGE WILL BE CLARIFIED AND A LOT MORE DETAILED. AND SO SETTING THOSE EXPECTATIONS UP FRONT, I THINK IT'S REASONABLE THAT PEOPLE GO READ THE WEBSITE BEFORE THEY START SHORT-TERM RENTING. THAT CAN BE STATED CLEARLY, THEN WE FOLLOW THROUGH. YOU AGREE PETE? WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. OKAY. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS CONTINUE ON? SO WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF TURNOVER FROM SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SO SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE BOUGHT AND SOLD. THERE ARE A LOT OF OWNERS THAT COME IN THAT BUY A PROPERTY SPECIFICALLY THAT HAS BEEN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND THEY WANNA RENT IT AGAIN. AND, UM, I THINK THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT PERMITS DON'T TRANSFER. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS NEXT PIECE, THE LANGUAGE I WANTED AMENDED WAS TO REQUIRE THAT AN OWNER TAKE DOWN THEIR LISTINGS BEFORE THE NEW OWNER STARTS SHORT TERM RENTING. 'CAUSE UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, IF YOU ASSUME SOMEONE ELSE'S LISTINGS BEFORE YOU HAVE YOUR PERMIT, YOU'RE ADVERTISING WITHOUT A PERMIT. SO I HAVE BEEN REFUSING TO ISSUE A NEW PERMIT APPLICATION UNTIL A FORMER OWNER TAKES THEIR LISTINGS DOWN. AND I DO MANAGE THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MORE FORMALLY LAID OUT SO THAT IT'S UNDERSTOOD BY EVERYONE, AND I DON'T HAVE TO CONTINUE TO EXPLAIN THIS TO EVERYONE ONE AT A TIME. VICE MAYOR. SO I SAW AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR A LARGE, YOU KNOW, WHOLE HOUSE, SHORT TERM RENTAL. AND IN THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY, THEY WERE SELLING THE PROPERTY. THE SELLER SAID THERE WAS X HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OF BOOKINGS THAT WOULD GO WITH THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S HOW THEY ADVERTISE THE PROPERTY. I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S MISINFORMATION BASED ON MY VIEWPOINT. SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, AS AN OWNER OF A PROPERTY CHOOSES TO SELL AND THEY HAVE BOOKED ALL THESE RENTALS, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS IN ADVANCE AND PEOPLE HAVE PAID SO, SO MAY COUNSEL, I DON'T, I THINK THE SELLER AND BUYER CAN COORDINATE AND THEY GET THEIR PERMIT AND THEY COULD HAVE THEIR, THE OLD ONE END ON THE SAME DAY THAT THE NEW ONE STARTS. RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. THERE COULD BE SOME COORDINATION THERE. SO, UM, AND ALSO I'M SURE AIRBNB HAS A WAY OF TAKING DOWN AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR A DAY OR TWO OR A WEEK OR SOMETHING. WELL, IT'S NOT EVEN AN ADVERTISEMENT, BUT IT'S A CONTRACT. THE SIDE, THE LISTING, THE LISTING, THE LISTING, THE LISTING DOWN AND THEN PUTTING BACK UP, BUT NOT NECESSARILY TERMINATING ALL OF THE, UH, BOOKINGS. THERE IS A WAY TO DO THAT. UM, OWNERS CAN PAUSE THEIR LISTING AND I'VE BEEN WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT AS A WORKAROUND BECAUSE WHAT A PAUSE LISTING DOES IS IT MAKES THE PAGE INVISIBLE FOR FUTURE BOOKINGS. OH. SO IT PRESERVES THE, UM, THE RATINGS AND THE REVIEWS [03:50:01] AND IT PRESERVES THE EXISTING BOOKINGS. AND I WILL ACCEPT THAT BECAUSE FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, IF I CAN'T CLICK ON THE LINK AND SEE THE LISTING, IT'S DOWN. OKAY. SO YES, I WILL, I WILL DO THAT. BUT WHAT I WON'T ACCEPT IS, IS JUST THAT THE LISTING STAYS UP. HEAR YOU. OKAY, NEXT POINT. SO THE NEXT POINT IS REQUIRING THAT, UM, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PROGRAM BE ABLE TO CITE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADVERTISING AS WEDDING VENUES. NOT JUST HOSTING EVENTS, BUT ADVERTISING. ARE WE STILL HAVING THAT? OH YEAH. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. SO THERE ARE TWO PROPERTIES THAT I AM AWARE OF AT THIS POINT IN TIME THAT HAVE BEEN ADVERTISING FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. AND THERE'S BEEN EFFORT MADE TO ENCOURAGE NEIGHBORS TO CALL A HOTLINE AND REPORT SOMETHING IN PROGRESS. AND IT, IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING. PEOPLE LIKE TO COMPLAIN AFTER THE FACT. UM, BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN AN EVENT REPORTED IN A WAY THAT EVIDENCE CAN BE GATHERED. SO THAT CAN BE CITED. SO BEING ABLE TO CITE SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR ADVERTISING AS WEDDING VENUES DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT WE CATCH THEM HOSTING A WEDDING. OKAY. THE LAST, I BELIEVE THE LAST LAST ITEM IS JUST ADDING SOME LANGUAGE, CLARIFYING THE RELATIONSHIP OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITH ADUS. AND ESSENTIALLY, UM, AN A DU IS RECOGNIZED NOW AS AN ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT BUILT AFTER DECEMBER OF 2024. AND ANYTHING BUILT BEFORE DECEMBER OF 2024 AS A GUEST HOUSE AND PROPERTIES OPERATING AS GUEST HOUSES MAY CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITHOUT THE OWNER HAVING TO LIVE ON SITE PROVIDED THEY DON'T HAVE A KITCHEN OR THEY CAN OPERATE EITHER WAY, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED THE KITCHEN AND PROPERTIES WHO THAT ARE OPERATING WITH AN A DU AFTER DECEMBER, 2024 IF THEY BUILD AN A DU, IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A KITCHEN, THE OWNER HAS TO LIVE ON SITE TO OPERATE IT AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. AND ALL THIS LANGUAGE IN THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE DOES IS REFER THAT BACK TO THE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. YES. SO, SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS SECTION IS TITLED USE REGULATIONS UNDER THE CHAPTER 5.25 OF THE CITY CODE. SO THIS IS A SECTION THAT EVERY PROPERTY OWNER, OR AT LEAST THEIR MANAGEMENT COMPANY HAS BEEN AWARE OF AND LOOKED AT AND READ. AND SO IT'S, THE REASON WE'RE PUTTING THIS IN OR PROPOSING TO PUT THIS INTO THIS NEW SUBSECTION G, IS BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO TRY TO FIND ALL THE RULES ON ACCESSORY DRILLING UNITS A TO USE IN, UM, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THERE, IT CAN BE KIND OF BURIED IN THE LAND DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT CODE AND, AND IT CAN BE IN, IT'S IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS, THE DEFINITIONS, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THIS IS A SECTION WE FIGURED, UM, HOMEOWNERS PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES WE'LL LOOK AT. AND SO WE WANTED IT TO BE CLEAR RIGHT HERE. SO THIS ISN'T A NEW RULE OR LAW, IT'S NOT CHANGING ANYTHING, IT'S JUST THE EXACT SAME THING COUNCIL ALREADY ADOPTED BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2024 AND WHEN INTO EFFECT JANUARY 1ST, 2025. UM, AND IT'S JUST CLARIFYING THAT THERE'S TWO, UH, CATEGORIES OF, UH, ACCESSORY UNITS. ONE'S THE NEW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS STARTING JANUARY 1ST, 2025. AND THAT HAS THE RESTRICTION, THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL RESTRICTION IF ANYONE BUILDS AN A DU, UH, BEGINNING SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2024 OR, OR GETS A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, UM, UH, AFTER SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2024. THAT'S AN A DU. EVERYTHING THAT RECEIVED A A, A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY BEFORE SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2024 IS WHAT THE CODE CALLED THE GUEST QUARTERS. UM, COUNSEL, AS PART OF THAT CHANGE, REMOVE GUEST QUARTERS FROM THE CODE. SO THAT DEFINITION'S NOT THERE ANYMORE, BUT THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN THEIR ILLEGAL, UH, NON-CONFORMING USE, UH, WHICH MEANS THEY DON'T HAVE THAT RESTRICTION ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS. NOW THERE ARE OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BE EXCEPTIONS. UM, SOME ADUS MAY HAVE BEEN BUILT BEFORE THE CITY WAS INCORPORATION. THERE'S PROBABLY A COUPLE OUT THERE, UM, THAT WE KNOW OF. UM, BUT WHERE THE, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF DISCONNECT AS PEOPLE ARE SEEING THAT AN A DU, THEY HAVE TO LIVE ON SITE. MOST, NO ONE OWNS AN A DU YET PER THE DEFINITION. UM, THAT STARTED JUST THIS YEAR. UM, SO THERE ARE NO ADUS, UM, THAT THIS CODE AFFECTS, BUT IT WILL GOING FORWARD. SO, AND AGAIN, THIS ISN'T A NEW CODE, IT'S JUST A, A REPEAT OF WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. VICE MAYOR AND THEN PETE, I REMEMBER US TAKING OUT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE GUEST HOUSES, BUT NOW WE REFER TO A GUEST HOUSE. SO, SO WHERE IS IT DEFINED? SO THERE, THERE, IT'S NO LONGER GUEST HOUSES. SO THE REASON I PUT IN HERE, [03:55:01] INCLUDING GUEST HOUSE OR CASITA OR I PROPOSED PUT IN HERE IS BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE COMMON TERMS, WHAT PEOPLE CALL IT. NO ONE SAYS, DO YOU WANNA COME STAY IN MY GUEST QUARTERS IN MY BACKYARD OR DO YOU, OR YOU CAN STAY IN MY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, YOU KNOW, IN MY BACKYARD EVERYONE SAYS A GUEST, YOU CAN STAY IN MY GUEST HOUSE OR MY CASITA. THAT'S THE COMMON TERMINOLOGY HERE IN THE SOUTHWEST. UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE USING THAT. THOSE ARE NOT DEFINED, THOSE ARE JUST THE, THE COMMON TERMS. AND THE KEY PROVISION HERE IS WITH A FULL KITCHEN, NO GUEST HOUSE OR CASITA, WHICH PER THE CODE IS PRIOR CODE WAS A GUEST QUARTERS, NO GUEST QUARTERS WAS ALLOWED TO HAVE A FULL KITCHEN. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY HAD, UH, ENFORCED FOR MANY YEARS. UM, AND SO IF ANYONE WAS FOUND WITH A A MEANING A, A, AN OVEN, A A FULL STOVE, AN OVEN, THEN THEY WERE REQUIRED TO CONVERT IT BACK. AND PRIMARILY THAT'S FOR PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY REASONS. UM, THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GAS LINE OR ELECTRIC LINE WAS FULLY PERMITTED AND INSPECTED AND INSTALLED CORRECTLY. UM, SO THAT'S THE, IN HERE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT CLEAR 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WOULD CALL IT, A GUEST HOUSE OR CASITA WITH A FULL KITCHEN. IF YOUR GUEST HOUSE OR CASITA WAS APPROVED BEFORE, UH, SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2024 AND HAS THE KITCHENETTE LIKE IT SHOULD, UH, THEN THIS DOES NOT AFFECT YOU. SO THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THAT DATE, THE SEPTEMBER DATE. YES. THAT DATE COMES FROM THE STATE LAW. UH, IT WAS HB 27 20. THE MAJORITY OF HB 27 20 DOES NOT APPLY TO THE CITY 'CAUSE WE'RE UNDER 70,000. UH, BUT THE SECOND PART OF HB 27 20 AMENDED STATE LAW A RS NINE, UH, DASH 500 POINT 39, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL BILL TO ALLOW US TO REQUIRE, UM, OWNERS OF NEW ADUS TO LIVE ON SITE, UM, IF THEY WANT TO RENT IT OUT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL. AND WE CAN STILL USE THAT DATE DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T. SO THE FIRST PART OF THAT BILL APPLIED TO THE CITY'S 70,000 AND MORE. THE SECOND PART OF THE BILL WAS A CHANGE TO A ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SECTION OF STATE LAW, UM, THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE 70,000 PERMIT. I KNOW, BUT SO YES, WE DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD UNTIL JANUARY. SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, WHEN THE BILL WENT INTO EFFECT. AND SO THAT'S THE DATE. I JUST WANT YOU TO ANSWER QUESTIONS WE'VE BEEN GETTING IN THE EMAILS TO ANSWER ANY OF THEM. YES. AND THEN, UH, HOW IS THIS SECTION, WE RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS FROM PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT IF WE APPROVE THIS SECTION, IT'S GOING TO RUIN THEM FINANCIALLY. AND I ASKED THEM TO PLEASE TELL ME HOW THAT WAS THE SITUATION. AND I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A RESPONSE FROM ANYBODY, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS AS TO WHAT PEOPLE MAY BE MISINTERPRETING TO THINK THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE, THIS IS GONNA DESTROY THEIR LIVELIHOOD? SO THE CONFUSION IS BETWEEN A GUEST QUARTERS AND AN A DU. UM, AND SO THEY ASSUME WHEN THEY READ THIS, THAT THEY LOOK IN THEIR BACKYARD AND THEY ASSUME THAT'S AN A DU PER THE SEDONA LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PER THE SECTION. WHAT, UM, EVERYONE HAS IN THEIR BACKYARD IS NOT, UH, GENERALLY GONNA BE IN A DU RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A GUEST, A PRIOR APPROVED GUEST QUARTERS. AND SO THIS WON'T HAVE AN EFFECT ON THEM. SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE, THE COUNCIL WAS EMAILED ONE LETTER FROM SOMEONE WHO HAD A GUEST QUARTERS, A GUEST HOUSE BUILT IN 1993. AND THEY SAID WE'RE, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'VE, THEY'VE OPERATED A SHORT TERM RENTAL SINCE IT BECAME LEGAL TO AND SO THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO LOSE THE HOUSE OR WHATEVER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I MEAN, WE LOOKED IT UP, IT WAS A GUEST HOUSE THAT WAS PERMITTED, UM, APPROVED AND IT SHOULD JUST HAVE A KITCHENETTE. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH IT. SO FOR THE RECORD, PEOPLE WHO HAD APPROVED AND PERMITTED GUEST HOUSES OR GUEST QUARTERS AT THE TIME THAT HAD A KITCHENETTE, THERE WOULD BE NO IMPACT TO THEM AT ALL FROM THIS CHANGE. THAT'S CORRECT. VICE MAYOR. AND SO THE KEY, UH, TERM OR CLAUSE HERE AGAIN IS WITH A FULL KITCHEN. SO IF YOU HAVE ILLEGALLY OR UNPERMITTED, YOU KNOW, UH, CONVERTED YOUR GUEST HOUSE OR CASTED WITH A FULL KITCHEN, THEN THAT'S NOW AN A DU. AND SO THE OPTIONS FOR THOSE PEOPLE ARE TO CONVERT IT BACK, UM, OR TO COME GET IT IN PERMITS AFTER THE FACT. BUT IF YOU COME IN AND NOW AND GET A PERMIT AFTER THE FACT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET ISSUED A, A NEW CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AS AN A DU AND YOU WILL NO LONGER BE ALLOWED TO USE IT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL UNLESS YOU LIVE UNLESS YOU LIVE ON SITE. YEAH, I TAG ONTO THAT. YEAH, I WANNA TAG ON THAT TOO. DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CATCH THAT? SO YEAH, I MEAN WE, WE, WE GENERALLY RELY LIKE ALL CODE ENFORCEMENT, WE, WE RELY ON PEOPLE PERMIT, UM, MAKING COMPLAINTS. UM, WE DO THERESA GONNA SPEAK MORE TO THAT MONITOR THE, THE LISTINGS AND, AND WATCH, UH, FOR PICTURES OF THE INSIDE OF HOUSES, UM, ON AIRBNB LISTINGS. UM, UH, BUT YEAH, NO, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE, WE DO NOT PROACTIVELY GO IN AND, AND LOOK AT EVERYONE'S, UM, GUEST HOUSE TO, YOU KNOW, ON A REGULAR BASIS TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANY ILLEGAL CONVERSIONS. NO, NO CITY DOES. I WAS REALLY WONDERING ABOUT THAT SCRAPING THERESA, THE WORK THAT YOU DO IF, IF IT WAS PERMITTED FOR A KITCHENETTE AND IT APPEARS ON AIRBNB SAYING IT'S GOT A FULL KITCHEN IN IT. DO WE CATCH THAT? YES. THANK YOU. SO YEAH, [04:00:01] WHAT I'D WE DO SAY WE DO AND UH, MORE FREQUENTLY WE'LL CATCH ON AIR ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT THEY'VE ILLEGALLY CONVERTED BEDROOMS. SO THEY'LL TAKE SOME BASEMENT UNIT THAT HAS A TINY LITTLE HIGH WINDOW THAT DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR EGRESS, UH, IN CASE THERE'S A FIRE EMERGENCY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TWO BUNK BEDS IN THERE AND YOU'RE GONNA PUT A BUNCH OF LITTLE KIDS IN THERE AND IT'S JUST COMPLETELY UNSAFE. SO THOSE ARE THE ONES, IF WE DO CATCH ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEN THEY GET UM, NOTICES OF VIOLATIONS, THEY GET CITATIONS AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO CONVERT IT BACK AND, OR, AND, OR GET A PERMIT AND ACTUALLY MAKE IT AN ACTUAL BEDROOM, YOU KNOW, EXCAVATING AN ACTUAL EGRESS WINDOW OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. KATHY, THANK YOU. I THINK THE VICE MAYOR COVERED IT WELL, BUT I WANT TO ASK THIS AGAIN IN A DIFFERENT WAY JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S ABSOLUTELY CLEAR. 'CAUSE IT HAS BEEN A MATTER OF CONCERN TO PEOPLE. SO THIS CHANGE IN THAT LANGUAGE OF G ABOUT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY ANYBODY CURRENTLY OPERATING IS GOING TO DO BUSINESS. CORRECT? IT'S NOT GONNA FORCE A CHANGE ON ANYBODY, IS THAT RIGHT? YES, CORRECT. ASSUMING THEY'RE LEGAL LEGALLY RIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE. IF YOU HAD AN ILLEGAL UNIT IN THE FIRST PLACE, THEN YOU COULD STILL BE FACING REPERCUSSIONS. DEREK. SO ACCESSORY BELONGING, UNIT REFERENCED, UH, DEFINED IN THIS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IS THAT THERE ONE PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE CODE THAT SAYS THIS IS WHAT AN ACCESSORY DOLE IS? YES. OR DO YOU HAVE TO JUMP AROUND THROUGH THE WHOLE CODE TO GET THE ANSWER? IT'S IN, I BELIEVE IT'S IN SECTION 9.3 OF, UH, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND WE REF REFERENCED THAT IN WHERE WE CHANGE IT HERE AS PROVIDED IN AND GIVE THE SECTION NUMBER. SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO LOOK IT UP SO IT'S QUICKER FOR THEM. YEAH. IN FACT, ACTUALLY WHAT WE CAN DO IS PROVIDE A HYPERLINK TO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, UH, UM, WHICH WE GENERALLY WOULD ANYWAY. SO AT ANY DEFINED TERMS, I THINK WE CAN JUST HYPERLINK IT RIGHT TO THE DEFINED TERMS. SO IF YOU CLICK ON IT, PERFECT. SO YEAH, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S ONE OF THE TWO OPTIONS IS DONE. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? WELL, SHE HASN'T FINISHED. OH, I'M SORRY. I THINK THAT'S IT. NO, GO AHEAD. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE LAST CHANGE. THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE LAST CHANGE. WELL, THERE'S, I MEAN, THERE'S A MINOR ONE IN THE, UH, PENALTIES. WE WERE JUST KIND OF CLARIFYING THAT. UM, WE WERE ALL FOCUSED ON THAT ONE ITEM. SO THIS IS THE OH F YEAH. YEAH. SO THIS HAS COME UP WEIRDLY ENOUGH. YOU THINK IF YOU TOLD AIRBNB TO TAKE DOWN YOUR ADVERTISEMENT, THEY WOULD, BUT SOMETIMES THEY DON'T RESPOND VERY PROMPTLY. AND THE OWNERS ARE, UM, HAVE COMPLAINED TO THE CITY OF THAT. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OF AIRBNB, BUT WE FIGURED WE COULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO LISTEN TO THE HOMEOWNERS AND TAKE DOWN THE ADVERTISEMENT IF THE OWNER REQUESTS IT, THAT IS AN ISSUE. UM, I KNOW BOOKING.COM DOESN'T TAKE LISTINGS DOWN. THEY WILL JUST MAKE THE PAGE UNAVAILABLE. SO WHEN YOU TRY TO BOOK THE CALENDAR, BUT THE PAGE IS STILL THERE. AND THE CONTENTION AROUND THIS IS THAT YOU CAN UNBLOCK OR BLOCK A CALENDAR AT ANY POINT IN TIME. SO WE WANNA SEE, I MEAN, AFTER OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT PAUSING LISTINGS, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN PAUSE AND UNPAUSE A LISTING AS WELL, BUT THERE'S AN EXTRA STEP THERE WITH THE PAGE NO LONGER BEING VISIBLE. AND I KNOW OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, UM, OWNERS HAVE HAD TO REALLY WORK ON VRBO AT TIMES TO GET THEM TO TAKE A LISTING DOWN AND IT BECOMES AN ATHLETIC EVENT. AND, UM, BOOKING.COM IS NOT VERY RESPONSIVE. SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE ACTUALLY SUPPORTING OWNERS NOW IN DOING WHAT THEY KNOW IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. OKAY. KURT, WE CAN'T GO INTO THE SEX OFFENDER, UH, UH, INFORMATION BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE IS IT IN THERE AT ALL? SO WE, I COULD JUST ASK WHERE WE ARE WITH IT'S, IT'S IN THE CODE. OKAY. SO WE CAN, SO WHERE ARE WE WITH, UH, DOING THAT? UH, HERE'S THE BACKGROUND CHECK AND IT'S REALLY JUST A SEX OFFENDER BACKGROUND CHECK ON THE PRIMARY, UM, RENTER. OKAY. SO, AND YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE, UM, THE RANDOM, CORRECT. YES. SORRY, IT'S LATE. UM, NOT KIDDING. AS THE PERMIT RENEWALS ARE STARTING TO SLOW DOWN AND SO ON MY TO-DO LIST, IS THAT FIRST ALL I NEED TO KNOW? YEAH. THANK YOU. SO YES, IT IS. THAT'S FINE. RIGHT UP THERE WITH, UH, UPDATING THE WEBSITE. YES, MA'AM. BUT I, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY MORE TO IT. THANK YOU. UM, WELL THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGED IS THAT WHEN I DO RANDOM AUDITS OF ACCOUNTS, I'M GOING TO DO THE WHOLE LIST OF SHORT TERM RENTAL REQUIREMENTS. SO IF YOUR TBT IS EXPIRED, IF YOU ARE MISSING EMERGENCY CONTACT INFORMATION, ANY ONE OF THOSE THINGS OR ALL OF THEM TOGETHER WILL REQUIRE A CITATION. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I WANNA UPDATE THE WEBSITE IS AND GET A NEWSLETTER OR IS I WANT OWNERS TO KNOW THAT. BUT YES, THAT WILL BE MOVING FORWARD. I'M GLAD YOU'RE ON OUR SIDE. THANK YOU. OKAY, LET'S OPEN UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. DIANA, [04:05:01] YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY THAT GUY. CAMERON WILDE. STUCK IT OUT ALL NIGHT. LOOKS LIKE WE'RE THE LAST TWO STANDING. THAT'S ALRIGHT. BACK HERE. THE TOP QUALITY, THE TOP. THANK YOU ALL FOR STAYING LATE FOR US AND, UH, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE BEING HERE TONIGHT. UM, MY STATEMENT IS BASED ON DATA AND ECONOMICS REGARDING THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TOPIC. AND I'M JUST HERE TO DELIVER SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU GUYS. I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE HOLLY'S FACE A FEW DAYS AGO LAST WEEK AT THE PRESENTATION OVER IN COTTONWOOD AT THE REC CENTER RECREATION CENTER. UH, IT WAS PAID FOR IN PART BY OUR LOCAL MLS, WHICH I'M STANDING HERE REPRESENTING TODAY. I'M A MEMBER OF THE DIRECTOR OF THE BOARD OF OUR LOCAL M-L-S-S-V-B-A-R, SEDONA VERDE VALLEY ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS. AND WE PAID IN PART FOR THIS DATA PRESENTATION. UH, AND THE OTHER PART WAS PAID FOR BY NAR, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS, UM, AND BUMMED THAT MORE PEOPLE COULDN'T ATTEND, BUT HAPPY THAT HOLLY WAS THERE. UH, THE FULL REPORT WAS DONE BY A REPUTABLE RESEARCH COMPANY AND IS PACKED WITH SOME PRETTY INTERESTING DATA, UH, THAT I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO LOOK INTO. UH, IT COMPARED US AS A CITY ON A FEW DATA POINTS TO SEVERAL LIKEKIND COMMUNITIES, UH, WITH THE OVERALL VIEW ON HOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS IMPACT US LOCALLY HERE IN SEDONA AND THE VERDE VALLEY. 'CAUSE SOMETIMES WE FORGET WE ARE CONNECTED WITH OUR LITTLE BITTY SISTER CITIES OVER THERE. UM, IT'S ALSO CONNECTED TO ONE OF MY FAVORITE TOPICS, WHICH IS SUPPORTING LOCAL. UM, IT DRIVES THIS WHOLE TOPIC AROUND SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND WHAT WE DO WITH 'EM AND GOOD OR BAD, OR HOW DO WE MAKE USE OF IT. I WAS SHOCKED TO SEE IN ONE OF THE DECK SLIDES IN THE REPORT THAT IT DRIVES OVER 3000 JOBS FOR LOCAL WORKERS. I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY INTRIGUING. UH, SUPPORTING AND PAYING ATTENTION TO LOCAL SMALL BUSINESSES AND THEIR NEEDS ARE IMPORTANT TO ME. IT'S VERY INTERESTING, UH, TO READ HOW THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TOPIC REALLY HITS US HERE IN SEDONA, IN THE VERDE VALLEY. UM, ECONOMICALLY, IT WAS REALLY NICE TO SEE THAT WE'RE GETTING QUITE A BIT OF OUR PERCENTAGE OF OUR COFFERS IN THE CITY FROM SHORT-TERM RENTAL. IT WAS SURPRISING TO SEE THAT IT WAS SO HIGH. UM, I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO LOG ONTO OUR LITTLE BITTY MLS HOSTED WEBSITE AS SB VA R.COM. I KNOW YOU ALL PROBABLY DON'T HAVE VERY MUCH FREE TIME. I CERTAINLY DON'T, UM, BUT TRY TO MAKE TIME FOR IT. UM, MAYBE READING YOUR MORNING COFFEE. SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT INSTEAD OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TOPIC BEING A DIVISION IN OUR TOWN, I HOPE THAT IT CAN, YOU KNOW, BE A DECISION TO BRING US ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE I KNOW IT DOES CERTAINLY MAKE SOME OF YOUR BLOOD BOIL. UM, I'M LOOKING AT SOMEBODY WHOSE BLOOD IT MAKES BOIL RIGHT NOW, SO I'M PERFECTLY CALM. THANK YOU. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY LITTLE BIT THERE ON THE SHORT TERM RENTAL TOPIC, AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR LISTENING AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU DIANA. DIANA, EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL HAS A COPY OF THE REPORT. MM-HMM . CAMERON, WILD NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, MY NAME'S CAMERON WILD. I LIVE IN SEDONA AND I RUN A VACATION RENTAL MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT MANAGES 40 RENTALS IN SEDONA. UM, SO I'VE HEARD ALL THE, THE WORDS TODAY, UM, ADDRESSING SOME OF THESE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED. AND I STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT BECAUSE THERE'S WHAT'S BEING SAID AND THERE'S WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. UM, SO THIS PROPOSED SECTION G HERE IS STATING THAT AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT MAY NOT BE USED AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNLESS THE OWNER USES THE PROPERTY AS THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE. UM, AND WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT AN A DU IS NOT THE SAME THING AS A GUEST QUARTERS, BUT AS SEVERAL OF YOU POINTED OUT, GUEST QUARTERS IS NOT DEFINED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AN A DU IS DEFINED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE LDC SAYS THAT AN A DU INCLUDES ITS OWN ENTRANCE TO THE OUTSIDE SLEEPING AND SANITATION FACILITIES, A KITCHENETTE OR MAY INCLUDE ITS OWN KITCHEN. SO WE HAVE THE WORD KITCHENETTE IN THE DEFINITION OF AN A DU. SO THE, WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD IS A GUEST QUARTERS IS IN FACT STILL DEFINED AS AN A DU. UM, SO THEREFORE THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD IN FACT APPLY TO ALL ADUS IN SEDONA AS DEFINED IN THE LDC, WHETHER THEY HAVE A KITCHENETTE OR A FULL KITCHEN. UM, IF COUNSEL AND STAFF INTEND FOR THIS AMENDMENT TO ONLY APPLY TO NEWLY PERMITTED ADUS AS I THINK THEY DO, UM, SECTION, SECTION G UH, CAN'T REMAIN AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN. UM, THE LDC ALREADY STATES THAT ADUS IS, WHICH WAS ISSUED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ON OR AFTER SEPTEMBER 14TH, SHALL NOT BE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNLESS THE PROPERTY OWNER LIVES IN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. SO I THINK IT'S SOMEWHAT REDUNDANT TO ALSO MODIFY [04:10:01] THE SDR ORDINANCE. UM, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, WHY NOT JUST ALIGN THE STR ORDINANCE WITH WHAT IS ALSO SAID IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND INCLUDE THAT DATE. SO TO AVOID ANY CONFUSION, UM, I'M ASKING THAT WE JUST ADD THAT DATE TO THIS STR ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. UM, AND DOING THAT WE'LL ENSURE THAT DOZENS OF SEDONA PROPERTY OWNERS THAT CURRENTLY OPERATE ADUS CAN BE CONFIDENT THAT THEY'RE STILL OPERATING WITHIN THE LAW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CAMERON. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL. OKAY. COMMENTS QUESTION FOR KURT? SURE. OKAY. KURT, IS THERE, IS THERE SOME, SINCE WE DID GET A NUMBER OF EMAILS ON THIS AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A CONCERN OUT THERE, IS THERE ANY LANGUAGE THAT YOU WOULD PROPOSE IT WOULD ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS TO A SORT OF ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS? ALTHOUGH I THINK THE INTENTION IS CLEAR. WELL, CAN I JUST CLARIFY IF THAT'S INTENTIONS AS IT'S CONCERNS, AS LEGITIMATE CONCERNS, OR WELL, ACCORDING TO LEGAL, UH, DEFINITIONS, IF IT MAY NOT BE, UH, A REAL CONCERN, IT MAY BE OPPOSING. WELL, I THINK THEY, IT'S A CON, PEOPLE HAVE A CONCERN. AND WHAT I'M ASKING, KURT, IS IF HE'S COMFORTABLE, IF THERE'S LANGUAGE THAT HE WOULD THINK WOULD HELP CLARIFY IT SO THE PEOPLE'S CONCERNS WOULD GO AWAY. OKAY. THANKS. YEAH. SO, SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU. AND COUNCILOR KINSELLA, I, I DON'T SHARE THOSE CONCERNS. THE, UH, GUEST QUARTERS WAS DEFINED IN THE CODE UP UNTIL IT WAS AMENDED BY COUNCIL JUST LATE LAST YEAR. UM, WE ALWAYS HAVE COPIES OF THE OLD CODE, SO IF YOU WANNA KNOW IF YOU HAVE A GUEST QUARTERS, YOU CAN GO BACK AND PULL THAT DEFINITION. UH, BUT WHEN YOU TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF THE CODE, YOU, YOU TAKE IT ALL THE WAY OUT. YOU DON'T LEAVE OBSOLETE DEFINITIONS IN CODES ANYMORE. UM, BUT THEY ARE GRANDFATHERED IN, THEY'RE ILLEGAL NON-CONFORMING USES. SO ALSO THE IDEA OF PUTTING A, A DATE HERE, WHAT THAT DOES IS IF YOU PUT IN A DATE HERE ON THIS ONE WITH THE ADDITION OF THE GUEST HOUSE OR COED WITH A FULL KITCHEN, IF YOU PUT A DATE IN THERE THAT'S NOW MAKING ALL THOSE ILLEGAL, UM, UH, UNPERMITTED GUEST HOUSE WITH A FULL KITCHEN THAT'S MAKING THEM, UM, NOT HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW A DU ORDINANCE, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE AN A DU, IF THEY'VE UPGRADED TO A FULL KITCHEN WITHOUT A PERMIT ILLEGALLY DONE SO. SO I DON'T THINK YOU CAN INCLUDE A DATE HERE. UM, SO THE OPTIONS WOULD EITHER BE, YOU COULD DELETE THE, INCLUDING THE GUEST HOUSE CO SEED WITH A FULL KITCHEN, WHICH I THINK IS A, A, A MORE BENEFICIAL CLARIFICATION VERSUS YOU COULD DELETE THAT OUT AND THEN PUT IN THE DATE, THE SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2024 DATE. BUT IT'S ALREADY, THAT DATE'S ALREADY IN THE LEC. IF ANYONE HAD, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS THAT CAN BE LOOKED UP THERE, WE ALREADY SAID WE CAN DO SOME HYPERLINKS TO THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. UM, WE CAN GET THAT, YOU KNOW, HOOKED UP A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT TYPE OF DWELLING UNIT THEY HAVE. OKAY. GO BACK TO YOUR FIRST SUGGESTION. THAT LANGUAGE AGAIN, YOU SAID COULD EITHER OR IN THE SECOND ONE WAS THE EITHER OR IS, SEE I'VE HIGHLIGHTED HERE THE, INCLUDING ANY GUEST HOUSE OR RECEIPT WITH A FULL KITCHEN, YOU CAN'T PUT IN A DATE WITH, YOU CAN'T PUT IN THE SEPTEMBER 14TH DATE. SO IT, YOU COULD DELETE THAT AND THEN YOU COULD PUT IN THE DATE, OR YOU CAN LEAVE THIS HERE AND NOT HAVE THE DATE. THAT'S HOW, UM, TWO SENTENCES I SEE IT. NO, BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING BEFORE ABOUT, THERE COULD BE OTHER LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT LIKE PARENTHETICALLY INCLUDED GUEST HOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU SAID SOMETHING BEFORE. SO I, I WHAT I MEANT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I SAID I GUESS NECESSARILY, BUT, UH, IT'S NOT FAULT. WHAT I MEANT WAS WE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HYPERLINK IT. THE, THE DEFINITION OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT THAT DATE CAN ALL BE HYPERLINKED HERE SO THAT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE HERE AS WELL. SO I, UM, OKAY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANSWERING THE QUE QUESTION THAT I ASKED ACTUALLY THOUGH, WHICH IS I'M ASKING YOU, I AND I ANS I SAID NO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR. NO, YOU WERE CONCERNED. DIDN'T SHARE THE CONCERN. BUT WHAT I ASKED YOU IS, IS THERE LANGUAGE THAT YOU WOULD ACCEPT THAT WOULD ADDRESS THEIR CONCERN? NOT ANY THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED AND NOT ANY THAT I'VE THOUGHT OF. OKAY. THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. UH, PETE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING BEFORE I GO TO MELISSA? NO, NO QUESTION. OKAY, MELISSA, SO KURT, I HEARD SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AND ALL THAT LEAVE THIS, LEAVE THIS ALONE BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA LINK IT OVER TO, UM, THE LDC. YES. WHAT I HEARD WAS IN THE LDC, THE DEFINITION IS INCORRECT AND THE DEFINITION STILL REFERS TO THE TERM KITCHENETTE OR FULL KITCHEN. IF THAT WERE TRUE, THEN I UNDERSTAND THE CONFUSION, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE LDC SITTING IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW. NO. THE, AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. SO IN, IN THE PAST GUEST QUARTERS WEREN'T REQUIRED TO HAVE ANY KITCHEN, UH, FACILITY. IT COULD HAVE BEEN JUST A, A BEDROOM BATHROOM. UH, AND THAT COULD HAVE BEEN YOUR GUEST HOUSE OUTBACK, YOUR CASINO. UM, WE, GOING FORWARD THE STAFF PROPOSAL, WHAT COUNCIL ADOPTED IT WAS THAT AN A DU BEGINNING, UM, JANUARY 1ST, 2025 [04:15:01] HAS TO HAVE AT LEAST A KITCHENETTE, BUT WE DIDN'T WANNA NECESSARILY REQUIRE EVERYONE TO PUT IN A FULL KITCHEN IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO. SO IT WAS THEIR OPTION. SO, SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE ANOTHER DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN A DU AND A GUEST HOUSE IS THE GUEST QUARTERS. BUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID, SO, SO YOU MAY HAVE TO, TO MAKE IT, UM, COMPLETELY NON BUILDER PERSON, UH, NON-ENGINEERING PERSON LANGUAGE, BUT AT LEAST A KITCHENETTE OR A FULL KITCHEN YES. IMPLIES THAT IF IT HAS AT LEAST A KITCHENETTE, THEN IT'S AN A DU. SO, BUT THAT WOULD BE BUILT AFTER, UM, SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2024. SO THE DATES ARE THERE AND CLEARLY STATED THERE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE DATES THERE. CORRECT? CORRECT. SO BY DOING THE LINK, YOU SHOULD GET THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE KITCHENETTE IS LINKED TO A DATE AS OPPOSED TO ANYTHING YOU BUILD NOW THAT HAS A KITCHENETTE. YEAH, I MEAN WE COULD PUT IN THE DATE BEFORE THE INCLUDING I, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT IT NECESSARILY CLARIFIES IT, BUT I CAN, I'M, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT HERE 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA LINK IT TO THE LDCI JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE LDC, IF SOMEONE WERE TO, TO JUMP THERE, THAT WOULD BE VERY CLEAR. YEAH, I BELIEVE IT'S CLEAR. UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT'S REVIEWED THIS AS WELL. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE ANY, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES. OKAY. ANDY, WE ARE INTO, UH, COMMENTS. UH, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS SAY ONE THING? NO, THE PUB, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD HAS BEEN CLOSED. I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. ESPECIALLY NOT ON A MICROPHONE AND YOU'RE NOT STANDING THERE AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE ENTERTAINED. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. YES, I HAVE A COMMENT. OKAY. I I'M NOT, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS AT THIS POINT BECAUSE I DON'T, I I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S, I WOULD LIKE, AND WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE HAD CONCERNS WHERE WE'VE TRIED TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CLEAR ON WHAT WE MEAN SO THAT THEY, THEIR CONCERN IS, IS ADDRESSED OR AT LEAST UNDERSTOOD. I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THAT POINT HERE. AND WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE HAD AN AGENDIZED ITEM THAT IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION AND SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC HAS SPOKEN ON IT, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO THROW QUESTIONS BACK TO THEM. SO, I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE REMAINING CONCERN IS NOW THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. UM, I'D LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO RAISE THE CONCERN. I'D LIKE FURTHER INPUT. BRIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS THAT IT SORT OF FEELS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE AS FEW OF WORDS AS POSSIBLE FOR THIS RATHER THAN IF IT TAKES AN EXTRA PARAGRAPH TO SPELL IT OUT, TO MAKE IT ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, THEN WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THAT? WELL, I THINK THAT WAS ASKED OF KURT AND HE SAID LEGALLY THIS IS OKAY. YEAH, I MEAN THAT IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION IF NOT LEGALLY. YEAH, I MEAN IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE THE ITEM G BACK AND TRY TO SPELL IT OUT MORE CLEARLY IF THERE'S STILL CONFUSION AMONG COUNCIL MEMBERS. HOLD ON, MELISSA. SO IF THAT WERE THE CASE THOUGH, KURT, WOULDN'T YOU GET THE SAME BENEFIT OF JUST LIFTING THE LDC DEFINITION AND PLACING IT HERE? I MEAN, ISN'T THAT REALLY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT? YEAH, I MEAN, SO THIS IS, THIS IS A REDUNDANT SECTION. I, I EXPLAINED THE REASON WE PUT THIS IN HERE IS 'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE WAY MORE LIKELY TO FIND IT HERE THAN THEY'RE EVER GONNA FIND IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. UM, THERE'S NO CONFLICT BETWEEN THE TWO. UM, THE, SO I, YEAH, I MEAN IT, THAT WAS THE REASON IT WAS SHORT IS IT WAS ALREADY CONTAINED ELSEWHERE IN THE CODE, IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO IT DIDN'T NEED TO BE LONG HERE, BUT IT'S, WELL, BUT WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING, AND COUNSEL SHALL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS IF WE WANT TO EXPAND THAT OUT THEN ISN'T THE SIMPLEST THING JUST TO PULL IT OUT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND PLACE IT HERE AS WELL, IF THIS IS TO MAKE IT JUST EASIER FOR THEM TO FIND IT AND STILL HAVE THE HYPERLINKED THING GO BACK TO THE LONGER LISTING OF THINGS INSIDE A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. DOES, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON TO DUPLICATE ALL OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTIONS FULLY HERE. UM, JUST THE DEFINITION I THINK ISN'T PART OF THE ISSUE HERE THAT THE LDC SPEAKS TO WHAT THE CODE IS TODAY, WHICH WE CHANGED IN JANUARY. YEP. AND WHAT THIS MIGHT, PUTTING AN IDEA OUT THERE, WHAT THIS MIGHT SAY IS LEGALLY PERMITTED GUEST [04:20:01] QUARTERS BEFORE JANUARY 1ST, 2025 ARE GRANDFATHERED, RIGHT? YEAH. SOMETHING SIMPLE, RIGHT? WHETHER THAT HAS A LEGAL RISK IN THERE, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF CLARIFICATION WELL, I'M GONNA ASK THAT QUESTION. IF THERE'S A LEGAL RISK. YEAH, IF THERE'S NO LEGAL RISK, THEN OKAY, BUT THERE'S A LEGAL ISSUE, WHICH IS WHERE I WAS GOING BEFORE. THAT'S MY CONCERN. THERE ISN'T, WELL, LET'S, I KNOW HE SAID THERE WASN'T, I GENERALLY DON'T LIKE YEAH. TAKING, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WE'VE GOTTA REPEAT THIS DEFINITION, THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT PLACES IN THIS CASE, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH CONFUSION, NOT ONLY AMONG THE PUBLIC, BUT AMONG THE COUNSELORS. WHY NOT JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT MAY NOT BE USED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL UNLESS THE OWNER LIVES ON THE OWNER'S PRIMARY RESIDENCE. AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS, AND JUST DUPLICATE THE DEFINITION, LIKE MELISSA SAID, I MEAN, GENERALLY I DON'T LIKE DOING THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, IT REWARDS, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T WANNA SAY REWARDS LAZINESS, BUT KIND OF 'CAUSE I MEAN THE ORDINANCE ARE, THE ORDINANCES ARE THERE FOR A REASON. UM, BUT AS MUCH TROUBLE AS WE'RE HAVING BOTH WITH THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING IT AND EVERYBODY UP HERE UNDERSTANDING IT TO ME JUST MAKES SENSE TO DO IT THAT WAY. SO MAY IN COUNSEL THE TO DO THAT, YOU BASICALLY, YOU'RE JUST TAKING OUT THE, INCLUDING ANY GUEST HOUSE OR CO SEATED WITH A FULL KITCHEN. AND THEN WE COULD HYPE DO THE HYPERLINK FROM ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT RIGHT. TO THE DEFINITION. WHAT I'M SAYING IS GET RID OF YOUR LITTLE BAR OVER THERE, DELETE AS DEFINED IN THE CITADEL LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, INCLUDING ANY BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. AND THEN TAKE THE DEFINITION FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COPY IT VERBATIM TO THIS PARAGRAPH. MM-HMM . SO LET ME JUST NOT DO, IT DOESN'T SPEAK TO ANYTHING BILLED BEFORE JANUARY 1ST, 2025. AND THAT'S THE CONFUSION THAT THERE'S LOTS OF THESE THINGS OUT THERE THAT WERE BUILT PRIOR TO, IF THEY GO TO THE LDC RIGHT NOW, IT REALLY ONLY SPEAKS TO ADUS BEING BILLED AFTER JANUARY 1ST, 2025. WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THE UNITS BEFORE? THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION, IT'S A SECOND SENTENCE. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO I MEAN, IT'S OBVIOUS THEY'RE FINE. THEY DON'T, IT DOESN'T NEED A SENTENCE TO SAY A LEGALLY PERMITTED HOUSE IS STILL LEGALLY PERMITTED JUST 'CAUSE OF CODE. APPARENTLY IT DOES . IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, I MEAN, WE'VE ONLY HAD, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY, WE GOT FOUR EMAILS, FIVE EMAILS, FIVE PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED AND HALF THEM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T EVEN THINK HAVE ADUS IN THE CITY. IT, I THINK IT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF, OF AN INDUSTRY AND THAT INDUSTRY IS PREVALENT IN OUR TOWN AND WE ARE TRYING TO REGULATE THAT INDUSTRY. AND THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO HAVE CLARITY OF DEFINITIONS, MEANINGS, CIRCUMSTANCES. I, I, I THINK I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, ACHIEVE BY NOT BEING AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE. SURE. I MEAN, WE CAN WORK REWORK AND BRING IT BACK. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW. IT'S, I THINK, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF AN INDUSTRY WHEN ONLY SIX PEOPLE IN THE ENTIRE CITY HAVE HAS SENT EMAILS. IT'S, SOME PEOPLE ARE, ARE CONFUSED OR SOME PEOPLE CONFUSED BY ONE PERSON WHO'S TOLD THEM ABOUT IT, BUT THEY BROUGHT TO THEIR, OUR ATTENTION NONETHELESS. I DON'T AGREE, BUT MAYOR OKAY, MAYOR, YES. I THINK THERE'S A MAJORITY UP HERE THAT WANTS ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION AND I, AND I GET THAT. SO, BUT I, I WAS JUST UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE, UH, THE INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE, WHICH IS, I STAND BY MY STATEMENT. I, I UNDERSTAND. SO WE YOU WANT TO TABLE THIS AND BRING IT BACK. WHAT'S THE RISK THERE VERSUS JUST APPROVING IT WITH DIRECTION TO YOU TO CLARIFY, ADD SOME ADDITIONAL I COULD DO THAT TOO. YEAH. UM, SO YEAH, IF COUNSEL JUST WANTS TO, I, I THINK IT'D BE BEST TO JUST BRING IT BACK ON A CONSENT AGENDA IN, IN TWO WEEKS. SO WE WILL GET THE LANGUAGE, UM, THAT'S A LIGHT CALENDAR, SO IF IT NEEDED TO GET PULLED, UM, WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ON IT. BUT WE WILL JUST PUT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IN TWO WEEKS. I'LL GET THE LANGUAGE IN THERE. OKAY. UM, TO SEE IF WE CAN GET IT CLEAR. UM, AND WE'LL GO FROM THAT POINT. SO I WON'T NEED ANY ACTION TONIGHT THEN. OKAY. [8.f. AB 3188 Discussion/possible action regarding proposed State legislation, shortterm rental legislation, lobbying efforts, and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona.] ITEM F AB 31 88. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING PROPOSED STATE LEG. WAIT A MINUTE. WE HAVE STATE LEGISLATION, SHORT, SHORT-TERM RENTAL LOBBYING EFFORTS AND STATE BUDGET AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON THE CITY OF SEDONA. DID I MISS SOMETHING? I DID NOT MISS ANYTHING. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO JUST ONE, UH, REAL ITEM TO DISCUSS, UH, IF I CAN PULL UP THE, THANK YOU, TERESA, THE REPORT. THANK YOU. UH, THERE WAS A FLOOR AMENDMENT ON SB 1517, THE OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLES BILL. AND, AND, UM, AT LEAST WE ARE HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THE THOUSAND POUND WEIGHT INCREASE, UH, WAS REMOVED. UM, ALTHOUGH AS WE'VE SUSPECTED, 'CAUSE IF YOU PAY ATTENTION, YOU CAN SEE THE LARGER, UM, OVER 2,500 POUND OHVS DRIVING [04:25:01] AROUND THE CITY. SOMETIMES I'VE, I'VE SEEN 'EM ON DRY CREEK ROAD. MM-HMM . THE, THE LARGE, UM, POLARIS EXPEDITIONS, UH, APPARENTLY THEY ARE BEING LICENSED NOT AS OHVS, BUT UH, POTENTIALLY AS JUST REGULAR MOTOR VEHICLES, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT, UM, LICENSED FOR ON HIGHWAY USE, DON'T HAVE, UH, ALL THE RE THE MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO AND HAVE NOT FOR HIGHWAY SERVICE TIRE. SO WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, BUT WE ARE, UM, GOING TO LOOK INTO THAT. BUT IT, IT IS POSITIVE, I FEEL THAT THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THE BILL. UH, AND THEN THE BILL HAS ALSO BEEN AMENDED TO EXTEND THE OHV STUDY COMMITTEE, THE STATE OHV STUDY COMMITTEE FOR TWO MORE YEARS. UH, BUT IT DOES HAVE ONE, IT'S KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, PROS AND CONS LIKE MINI LEGISLATION. UH, IT DOES REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR OUT OF STATE LICENSED O HVS, UH, TO GET AN IN-STATE LICENSE IN ORDER TO OPERATE HERE. SO CURRENTLY, IF I LIVE IN, YOU KNOW, COLORADO AND I HAVE MY OHV AND I WANT TO TRAILER IT HERE, UH, TO DO SOME TRAILS, I HAVE TO GET A $25 OHV PERMIT FROM THE STATE AHEAD OF TIME BEFORE I CAN DRIVE IT AROUND LEGALLY IN ARIZONA. UM, THIS WOULD REMOVE THAT REQUIREMENT. UM, SO OUR CURRENT POSITION HAS BEEN AGAINST THIS BILL. IT IS, UM, GETTING CLOSE TO THE END OF THE MONTH WHEN IF IT DOESN'T GET A HEARING, UM, IN THE OR, OR GET TOTAL OR VOTED ON IN THE, IN THE SENATE AND THEN GET A HEARING IN THE HOUSE THAT IT'S NOT GONNA, UM, WON'T GO ANYWHERE. UH, BUT THERE'S A CHANCE IT COULD BE HEARD AT THE LAST MINUTE IN THE SENATE AND THEN GO TO THE HOUSE. SO, UM, MY QUESTION, I GUESS FOR COUNCILS, IF ANYONE HAS ANY IDEAS ON WHETHER THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE CITY'S POSITION ON THIS BILL BASED ON THE, UH, FLOOR AMENDMENT THAT TOOK PLACE LAST WEEK? UH, HOLLY, I THINK THE IDEA OF HAVING A STUDY COMMITTEE FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS IS A GOOD IDEA. IF, IF THE WEIGHT REMAINS AS IT IS NO INCREASES, AND THE BILL IS JUST TO HAVE A STUDY COMMITTEE, WHY WOULDN'T WE SUPPORT THAT? SO THE, THE ONE DOWNSIDE IS THE AMENDMENT ALSO ALLOWED OUT-OF-STATE OHP TO OPERATE IN THE CITY WITHOUT GETTING OR OUT IN THE STATE WITHOUT GETTING A STATE LICENSE. YEAH. SO, SO JUST LET ME MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THAT $25 OUT OF OUT-OF-STATE PERMIT IS USED TO FUND LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR OHVS AS WELL AS, UM, IT GOES TOWARDS THE STATE PARKS, WHERE THE STATE PARKS THEN USE THAT TO DO GRANTS, TO HELP PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN DAMAGED BY OHVS, DO RESTORATION WORK OR ANY OF THE OTHER SORTS OF THINGS. SO BY REMOVING THAT REQUIREMENT, THEY'RE ALSO REMOVING FUNDING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT PUBLIC LANDS ARE NOT BEING ABUSED BY THOSE OH FEES. BUT ARE THEY REMOVING IT OR THEY'RE JUST KEEPING IT AS IS? NO, BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING BILL STILL WOULD ALLOW OUT OF STATE LICENSE. WAS THAT FROM THE, YOU KNOW, SO CURRENTLY IF I HAVE MY OH FEE AND I'M OUTTA STATE AND I WANNA OPERATE IN ARIZONA, I HAVE TO PAY $25. OKAY. THIS IS REMOVING THAT REQUIREMENT. SO NOW IT'S, IT'S RECIPROCITY. THE STATE WILL HONOR OHV, UM, PERMITS, LICENSES FROM OTHER STATES, BUT THEN FUNDING COMES OUT, LIKE MELISSA SAYS, CORRECT, THERE WILL BE A FUNDING LOSS. SO IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH FUNDING WAS REALLY RAISED DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME. AND WAS IT EVEN, WAS IT A LOT? THAT'S INTERESTING. OKAY. YEAH, I CAN, IF THERE'S INTEREST, I CAN FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW MUCH MONEY CAME IN THROUGH THE PERMITTING. WELL, WE THE DECISION NOW, SO YEAH. YEAH. BUT IT, I'D STILL BE INTERESTED. YEAH. THANK YOU BRIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. KURT, HELP ME REMEMBER LIKE THE, THERE STATE LAW SAYS LIKE YOU CAN'T MIX APPLES AND ORANGES IN A BILL, SO TO SPEAK, RIGHT? ISN'T THIS KIND OF MIXING APPLES AND ORANGES NOW THEY, THEY ALL HAVE TO DO WITH ALWAYS FEES. SO, UH, THAT, THAT RULE'S BEEN PRETTY BROADLY INTERPRETED FOR A WHILE. SO, AND IF, IF WE WERE OFFENDED BY THE FACT THAT, UH, SOMEHOW THE HEAVIER ELECTRIC OHVS ARE GETTING, UH, LICENSED, WHAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT AVENUE TO, UH, PURSUE THAT THROUGH COURTS? OR HOW WOULD YOU GO ABOUT IF, IF WE THOUGHT THAT'S, WE NEEDED TO STAND UP FOR THAT, THAT'S ONE. BUT THE HEAVIER OHV CURRENTLY ON THE ROAD IS NOT AN ELECTRIC ONE. IT'S JUST A, A MINI JEEP THAT HAS AC AND HEATING AND IT'S FULLY ENCLOSED. UM, BUT LACKS ALL THE SAFETY REQUIREMENT THAT A ON-ROAD VEHICLE HAS, LIKE A JEEP WITH AIRBAGS, CRUMPLE ZONES, BUMPERS. DOES IT HAVE DIRECTIONALS? JUST CURIOUS. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO THINK THE EXPEDITION DOES THE EXPEDITION SOUNDS LIKE IT DOES, BUT WHAT WOULD, SO, SO GO AHEAD. YEAH. UM, THE, THE, IT'S, UM, YEAH, I DON'T, THERE'S LIMITED ABILITY FOR THE CITIES TO SUE THE STATE, I GUESS, OR SUBDIVISIONS OF THE STATE. UM, UH, SO IT [04:30:01] WOULD JUST BE REACHING OUT PRIMARILY TO OUR CONTACTS FOR SET MVD, UM, THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL, A UH, WHATNOT. AND WE CAN, WE'D START THAT ROUTE. OR COULD A CONCERNED GROUP OF CITIZENS, A CON CONCERNED GROUP OF CITIZEN WOULD HAVE A YES. COULD, WOULD THEY HAVE STANDING? YEAH, THEY'D HAVE MORE LIKELY HAVE STANDING THAN A CITY SUING THE STATE SINCE WE'RE A SUBDIVISION OF IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. AND, AND PURSUING THAT WITH OUR CONTACTS ARE, ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT? ARE YOU, YES. SO, UH, WITH ONE OF OUR ENGAGED RESIDENTS, WE WERE GONNA WAIT TO SEE IF, UH, IF SHE GOT ANY CONTACT BACK, BUT IF NOT, THEN WE WILL. AND MAYBE WE'LL DO IT SOONER, UM, IN COORDINATION, TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T HELP BUT WONDER, AND WE'VE ASKED THE QUESTION, KURT AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS, HOW MUCH LIABILITY THE STATE, YOU KNOW, COMING UNDER BECAUSE LET'S SAY YOU HAVE AN ACCIDENT WITH ONE OF THESE CARS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE SAFETY FEATURES AND THEY ALLOWED IT, THEY LICENSED IT AND MADE IT LEGAL, BUT THEY STILL DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE SAFETY FEATURES. WHO'S REALLY LIABLE, SAY A FATALITY OR ANYTHING ELSE? BECAUSE THE ACCIDENT WAS CAUSED BY NOT HAVING COUPLE ZONES, NOT HAVING ANTILOCK BRAKES, NOT HAVING DIRECTIONAL SIGNALS. IF THEY DON'T HAVE DIRECTIONAL SIGNALS, I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY THE STATE WOULD TAKE THAT BURDEN OF, UH, LIABILITY. BUT THEY ARE, IT, IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. SO, ALRIGHT, WHAT ELSE YOU GOT FOR US, KURT? I, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT HB 2371. SB 1229. YES. I THINK I READ TODAY THAT THEY REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE MUNICIPALITIES FROM 70,000 TO 30,000, UNLESS THAT WAS A, SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, TODAY. UM, I DON'T THINK SO. I THOUGHT IT WAS STILL 70,000, BUT I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THAT. YEAH. AND REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL BECAUSE THAT STARTS GETTING ME NERVOUS. YOU THINK THE LINE KEEPS MOVING, RIGHT? EXACTLY. AND THEN THIS BILL HB 24 26, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE AGAINST IT. SO YEAH, THAT ONE'S, UH, CHANGED. SO, OR ORIGINALLY IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN 30 DAYS YOU HAD TO FILL A VACANCY NOTICE AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S NOT REALLY POSSIBLE TO FIND A GOOD QUALIFIED CANDIDATE TIME. UH, SO THEY HAVE AMENDED THIS, UM, TO, TO MEET THE TWO PRIMARY CONCERNS. ONE, THEY SAID, OKAY, FINE, YOU HAVE 60 DAYS AND THEN TWO, IT PROVIDES AN EXCEPTION IF NO CANDIDATE MEETS THE QUALIFICATION. SO IF YOU CAN'T FIND ANYONE THAT, SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE APPLYING DON'T EVEN LIVE IN THE CITY OR AREN'T ELIGIBLE TO TO HOLD OFFICE. SO, UH, THOSE WERE THE PRIMARY CONCERNS. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY WOULD NECESSARILY BE FOR THIS, UM, AS IT IS, UH, AGAIN, A, A MORE PREEMPTION ON LOCAL CONTROL. UM, BUT THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME IMPETUS TO BE AGAINST IT AS THERE WAS WHEN THE BILL WAS FIRST, UM, DROPPED EARLIER IN THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION. SO, I MEAN, WE COULD JUST REMOVE OUR POSITION OR BUT BILL DOES, UM, IT'S STILL AGAINST LOCAL CONTROL. CORRECT. SO IT IS DICTATING HOW COUNCIL GIVES A TIMEFRAME FOR COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE STAY AGAINST THIS. IT'S GONNA PASS, RIGHT? SO WE'RE ON RECORD IS DOING THE RIGHT THING AND LIKE, OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, [8.g. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items.] OKAY. ITEM G, AB 30 66, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY. HEARING NOTHING ELSE? MAYOR CAN I, SORRY, CAN I PLEASE INTERRUPT. I'M SORRY. I WAS GETTING, I KNEW YOU WERE GONNA GO TO ADJOURN REALLY QUICK. I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYONE THAT THERE IS NO WORK SESSION MEETING TOMORROW BEFORE WE GET OFF THIS ITEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. WELL, DIANA, MAY YOU COME US FOR THE HECK OF IT. I DON'T KNOW. SORRY FOR THAT. . THANK YOU. THE VOICE SOME. I'M SORRY. OKAY. HEARING NOTHING ELSE, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.