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WELL THEN WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE CITY OF SEDONAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO ORDER.
UH, IF YOU'D ALL STAND AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
NOW, THIS SAYS ONE LEG STICKING OUT.
ROLL CALL CHAIR MYERS PRESENT.
AND COMMISSIONER STUACK PRESENT.
AND COMMISSIONER SE IS UNEXCUSED JUST NOT PRESENT FOR THE MOMENT.
I SEE STAFF REACHING FOR THE MIC.
UM, I, I WOULD'VE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA, BUT IT HAPPENED AFTER, UH, I JUST HAD A MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPERS OF THE OAK CREEK, UH, HERITAGE LODGE THAT IS GOING TO BE, UM, BUILT.
UH, AND I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT SOME OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY, AND THEY MADE THE COMMENT THAT, UH, THEY WOULD BE HAPPY, UH, TO HAVE THEM SURVEYED FOR US.
SO JUST WANTED TO LET THE, UH, COMMISSION KNOW THAT, UH, THAT WAS STATED IN A RECENT MEETING.
HEARING NOTHING ELSE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 10TH, 2025.
HAVE WE ALL READ THROUGH THEM? ANY COMMENTS? EDITS, CORRECTIONS, HEARING NONE, WE'LL SAY THOSE ARE APPROVED.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA.
THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO A RS 38 DASH 4 31 0 1 H, ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO ANY CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
ANY CARDS FROM THE PUBLIC? DONNA? OKAY.
UM, IS THERE A COMMENT FROM STAFF
THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM FORUM, UM, AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR BUSINESS.
I WAS GONNA ASK CHAIR IF I CAN MOVE BACK ONE MY FAULT.
I WANTED TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW SENIOR PLANNER OH, OKAY.
THIS IS GARY LIKENESS AND, UH, GARY WILL BE TRAINING TO TAKE, UH, THIS SEAT RIGHT HERE.
UH, SO HE'LL BE TAKING OVER AS THE LIAISON, STAFF LIAISON FOR THE, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
GARY'S BEEN HERE FOR ALL OF TWO WEEKS IN ONE DAY.
I THINK, UH, MY, MY ORIGINAL THOUGHT IS MAYBE ONE OR TWO MORE MEETINGS AND OKAY.
BUT YEAH, I DON'T WANNA JUST THROW IT IN HIS LAP AND THEN SURE.
SO WHENEVER HE FEELS COMFORTABLE.
LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
WHERE DO YOU COME FROM? UM, THANK YOU.
UM, MY NAME'S GARY IS, WAS MENTIONED.
I AM MOST RECENTLY FROM THE KINGMAN, ARIZONA AREA.
AND BEFORE THAT, UM, NEW MEXICO LOS ALAMOS AREA.
SO BEEN A PLANNER THROUGHOUT THE WEST HERE.
BEEN INVOLVED WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, JUST HELPING CRAFT, UM, ORDINANCES AND, UM, GIS INVENTORIES OF HISTORIC, UM, LANDMARKS AND, AND WHATNOT.
UH, MOVING ON TO OUR REGULAR BUSINESS, UH, A COMMISSIONER TRAINING FROM KURT CHRISTENSEN.
CHAIR MYERS AND COMMISSIONERS.
SO, I THINK LAST TIME I WAS HERE, JACK WAS THE ONLY ONE, UH,
I DON'T KNOW IF STEVE WAS OR NOT.
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I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER IF HE WAS AT THE MEETINGS OR NOT.SO IT'S, UH, SO IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK AND IT'S GOOD TO DISCUSS, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF THE OPEN MEETING LAW, UM, CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND A FEW LEGAL AREAS THAT TOUCH ON THE, UM, HPC.
AND I WANNA BEGIN WITH THE, THE ROLE OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, COMMISSION, UH, WHICH I'M PRETTY SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF.
BUT THE WAY I SEE IT, THERE'S A, THERE'S A HIERARCHY OF LAW.
YOU GOT LIKE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, YOU GOT ARIZONA STATE LAW, UH, THEN YOU GOT LOCAL CITY CODE.
UH, AND THEN BELOW THE CODE WE GOT OUR, UM, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, WHICH WE WILL, WHICH THE HPC COMMISSION HAS HAD COUNCIL ADOPT THROUGH.
ITS, UH, THE COMMISSIONER HANDBOOK, UH, THE HPC HANDBOOK.
UH, AND SO THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN THE CITY CODE, UH, BUT IN THE CODE YOU'VE GOT YOUR FOUR PRIMARY, UH, DUTIES AS OUTLINED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION, DISTRICT DESIGNATION, ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, AND CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR NO EFFECT.
SO THOSE ARE YOUR FOUR PRIMARY AREAS.
BUT THE CODE ALSO OUTLINES THAT THERE'S O OTHER DUTIES, UM, IN, THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION'S, OPERATING RULES AND PROCEDURES AS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
SO IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR HANDBOOK, UM, AND ALSO THE, THERE'S A LARGER COMMISSIONER HANDBOOK, THEN THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION IN BOTH OF THOSE, UM, THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD GO GO THROUGH.
AND THEN, UH, WHAT I, I WAS, WHEN I WAS LOOKING, PREPARING FOR THIS, I LOOKED THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT, AND THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT COULD PROBABLY BE UPDATED.
THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE, OVER THE YEARS, AND SO SOMETIMES THE COMMISSION, UM, HANDBOOK HASN'T NECESSARILY KEPT UP TO DATE WITH, WITH CURRENT PRACTICES OR THE WAY THE LAWS ARE IN RIGHT NOW.
SO THERE'S SOMETHING TO, TO LOOK INTO.
UM, I THINK WE TOOK A, AN AMENDMENT TO CITY COUNCIL IN YOUR HANDBOOK A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, JUST TO MOVE FROM SEVEN COMMISSIONERS DOWN TO FIVE.
AND THAT WAS THE LAST TIME IT WAS REALLY CHANGING.
SO IT WASN'T REALLY A, I MEAN, IT WAS SUBSTANTIVE IN THAT IT CHANGED THE NUMBERS, BUT NOT THE, WHAT THE COMMISSION'S TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH OR DO.
SO IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE FROM THESE FOUR PRIMARY ROLES, UM, OR TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY, THEN, THEN YOU CAN PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT IN YOUR, IN YOUR, UH, OPERATING RULES AND PROCEDURES, AND WE CAN TAKE THAT TO CITY COUNCIL AND SEE IF CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THAT OR NOT.
SO THAT'S HOW THE, THE COMMISSION'S SET UP AND HOW IT WORKS, UM, IN THE HANDBOOK.
THERE'S A FEW THINGS, UM, I WANTED TO POINT OUT IN THE HPC HANDBOOK, UM, THE CHAIRPERSON'S THE LIAISON WITH CITY STAFF.
UH, SO, UM, NATE'S THE ONE WHO GETS TO TALK WITH, UH, THE CITY STAFF GENERALLY.
SO, UH, BUT ANYONE ELSE OBVIOUSLY IS FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, UH, ALL THE COMMISSIONERS SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
UH, WE HAVE ONLY HAD, I THINK THE, THE, YEAH, THE, WHATEVER THE CORRECT TERM IS, WE ONLY HAD TO REMOVE ONE COUNSELOR, I THINK,
UH, AND SO HOPEFULLY THAT DOESN'T EVER HAVE TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
UM, AND THEN ALL MEETINGS OF THE COMMISSION SHALL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND NOTICES PROVIDED BY ARIZONA LAW.
ANOTHER ONE THAT COMES UP, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, IS ABSTAINING, UM, UH, IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WE, THE COMMISSIONERS SOMETIMES DON'T LIKE THE HEAT OF HAVING TO DECIDE SOMETHING.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE TO APPROVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR MAYBE NOT APPROVE IT, YOU KNOW, FROM DEVELOPERS AND NEIGHBORS.
AND IT GETS REALLY, CAN GET PRETTY CONTENTIOUS.
WE DON'T GENERALLY IN HPC HAVE THAT SAME TYPE OF, UH, TROUBLES, BUT IT CAN COME UP SOMETIMES AND YOU CAN FEEL, YOU KNOW, PUSHED AND PULLED FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
AND SO SOMETIMES MEMBERS, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS WANNA JUST NOT VOTE AND NOT AB ABSTAIN.
UM, AND, BUT THE RULES, GENERALLY, WE HAVE A COM, A PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION, H AND HPC COMMISSION TO MAKE THOSE TOUGH DECISIONS SOMETIMES.
UH, AND SO WE NEED YOU TO VOTE ON THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST, WHICH WE'LL GO OVER AGAIN.
UH, CAN WE, ARE YOU TAKING QUESTIONS NOW OR? YEAH, I'LL TAKE 'EM THROUGHOUT.
UH, SO THE ONLY WAY THAT SOMEBODY CAN, CAN ABSTAIN IS THROUGH A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
SO THE ONLY WAY THAT'S ALLOWED IN HPC RULES AND SO, AND PLANNING AND ZONING RULES TOO, IT'S DIFFERENT ON CITY COUNCIL.
CITY COUNCIL HAS GIVEN THEMSELVES A RIGHT TO ABSTAIN FROM ANYTHING.
IT'S DISCOURAGED, BUT THEY CAN, UM, AND AT ANY TIME ANYONE WANTS TO ABSTAIN FROM SOMETHING THROUGH FOR, IN YOUR CASE, THROUGH A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, THEN YOU'RE JUST SUPPOSED TO ANNOUNCE IT AHEAD OF TIME AND THEN NOT PARTICIPATE AT ALL IN THE DISCUSSION.
SO YOU DON'T GET TO INFLUENCE YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO VOTE ONE WAY, BUT THEN NOT HAVE TO VOTE YOURSELF.
SO GENERALLY YOU JUST STEP OFF THE DA AND YOU HAVE A SEAT IN THE AUDIENCE, OR YEAH.
SO I MEAN, AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THIS WILL COME UP, I MEAN, UM, FOR YOU, FOR ME YEP.
YOU KNOW, IS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE MUSEUM, WE WERE INVOLVED WITH A FEW LANDMARK PROPERTIES.
SO IF WE WERE EVER GOING TO COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION FOR HISTOR, UH, A, UM, CERTIFICATE OF NO EFFECT OR, OR APPROPRIATENESS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, I WOULD HAVE TO, UH, UH, ANNOUNCED A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND, AND RECUSE MYSELF.
AND SO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CAN PROVIDE YOU AN OPINION ANYTIME.
SO IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IT, UM, WE'LL GO THROUGH IT IN MORE DETAIL.
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BUT IN, IN GENERALLY, A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, YOU, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE INTERESTED IN THESE PROPERTIES, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ON THIS COMMISSION.AND SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN OPINIONS ON WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU KNOW, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR, UH, NO EFFECT OR WHATEVER YOU HAPPEN TO BE VIEWING.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER GENERALLY, IF YOU LIVE, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE STREET, UM, ARGUABLY EVEN NEXT DOOR WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
UM, IT'S WHETHER YOU HAVE A PQ AREA OR PROPRIETARY INTEREST IN THE OUTCOME.
SO, UM, AN OWNERSHIP OR MONEY INTEREST IN HOW THIS TAKES PLACE.
SO, UM, THAT WILL GET YOU A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
SO IF YOU EVER HAVE A QUESTION, THEN YOU CAN SHOOT ME AN EMAIL AND I'LL GET YOU AN EMAIL BACK IN WRITING.
UM, AND THAT WAY IF ANYONE GETS IT WRONG, YOU CAN JUST BLAME THE ATTORNEY.
YOU CAN BE LIKE, I ASKED, DOES THAT NEED TO BE ANNOUNCED IN ADVANCE OR CAN IT BE ANNOUNCED FROM THE DAY? YEAH, IT CAN BE ANNOUNCED RIGHT THEN.
SO, UH, I MEAN, PREFERABLY YOU WOULD'VE THOUGHT OF IT BEFOREHAND, AND THEN WE CAN GET YOUR WRITTEN OPINION BEFOREHAND, BUT, RIGHT.
YOU CAN ALWAYS, IF YOU JUST REALIZE YOU MIGHT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, THEN WE CAN ALWAYS, UH, TAKE IT ON THE FLY TOO, SO.
WE, OUR OFFICE IS JUST OVER THERE, AND WE'RE USUALLY HERE ON MONDAYS AT FOUR O'CLOCK.
SO, UM, YOU COULD GET AN OPINION PRETTY QUICK, BUT, UM, YEAH, IT, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ANNOUNCED LIKE ON THE AGENDA AHEAD OF TIME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
YOU CAN ANNOUNCE IT JUST BEFOREHAND THAT I HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
UM, AND SO I'M NOT GONNA PARTICIPATE IN THIS CONVERSATION.
UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, ONE AREA THAT COMMISSIONERS P AND Z, EVEN COUNSELORS SOMETIMES GET IN TROUBLE A LITTLE BIT, IS WHERE, UM, THEY DON'T IDENTIFY THEIR OPINION AS BEING THEIR OPINION ON ONLY, AND NOT THAT OF THE CITY OR OF THE COMMISSION, OR OF THE COUNCIL.
AND SO, UM, ANYTIME YOU RESPOND TO SOMEBODY, UM, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S IN WRITING OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, UH, ORALLY, UH, IT'S GOOD TO LET 'EM KNOW, HEY, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.
I DON'T, I'M NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE, THE COMMISSION.
IF IT'S ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA COME UP.
UM, THE COMMISSION AS PER YOUR HANDBOOK AND THE RULES, AND, AND THE CITY ORDINANCE SHOULD ONLY BE DISCUSSING ITEMS THAT RELATE WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW.
UH, SO THE FOUR MAIN CATEGORIES THAT WE LISTED EARLIER, AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE IN, IN YOUR COMMISSION HANDBOOK.
SO, UM, AND THEN NUMBER SEVEN JUST KIND OF SAYS THE SAME THING AS FIVE.
SO, UM, KURT, I'M SORRY, ANOTHER QUESTION, AND, AND MOSTLY THIS, SORRY, EVERYBODY ELSE UP HERE, MOSTLY IT'S BECAUSE I HAVE A VERY COMPLEX, UH, ROLE.
UM, SO GOING BACK TO NUMBER FIVE, QUALIFYING ANY RESPONSE.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF, UH, IF WE GO BACK TO THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING THAT I WAS AT, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE RANGER STATION, UH, SHOULD I HAVE, UH, QUALIFIED THAT SINCE I WAS NOT SPEAKING AS A COMMISSIONER? UM, NO.
SO WE, UNLESS YOU COME, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE USED TO YOU COMING FROM H FROM THE, THE HISTORIC SOCIETY.
AND THAT'S HOW I INTRODUCED MYSELF.
SO, YEAH, WE DON'T, COUNCIL DOESN'T CONSIDER USE, UNLESS YOU WERE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, NATE MYERS, UM, HISTORIC SOCIETY AND HPC COMMISSIONER MM-HMM
THEN YOU'D WANNA QUALIFY THAT THIS IS ONLY YOUR SPEECH, ONLY ONE ORGANIZATION.
SO I THINK YOU'VE ALWAYS DONE A FINE JOB, NATE.
UH, YOU DO A GOOD JOB WHEN YOU'RE COMING IN, EVEN SPEAKING ON SOMETHING THAT YOU, I THINK YOU'VE EVEN SAID THIS IS NOT FROM THE HPC, THIS IS JUST ME.
I'VE DONE THAT A COUPLE TIMES.
UM, HERE'S THE OPEN MEETING LAW.
IT'S THE, UH, PUBLIC POLICY OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA TO HAVE ALL MEETINGS IN PUBLIC HUB.
UM, AND IF I'M, IF IT'S A CLOSE CALL, I'M SUPPOSED TO CONSTRUE IT IN FAVOR OF IT BEING OPEN.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE GENERALLY DO.
SO SOMETIMES THERE'S GRAY AREAS, UM, WITH EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, UH, WHICH, UH, WON'T, I DON'T THINK WILL EVER COME UP HERE FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
BUT YOU NEVER KNOW, UM, CRAZY THINGS COME UP.
BUT IF, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT GETS TO BE CLOSED, I'M, UH, THE LAW SAYS THAT WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS AS OPEN AS POSSIBLE, AND THAT'S WHAT THE CITY DOES.
EVEN BEING IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, THE CITY ATTORNEY BEING WITH THE CITY, IT'S, THERE'S, I MEAN, SO FEW THINGS THAT ARE LIKE HIDDEN OR SECRETIVE, THERE'S REALLY, LIKE NOTHING OTHER THAN WE GET TO DISCUSS HOW MUCH WE WANNA PAY FOR A PROPERTY BEFORE WE GO PUBLIC WITH IT.
RIGHT? BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY KNOW HOW MUCH COUNCIL'S WILLING TO PAY FOR IT.
AND YOU LOSE ALL, YOU KNOW, CHANCES OF GETTING A BETTER DEAL.
UM, LITIGATION, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME PERSONNEL MATTERS.
THERE'S VERY FEW THINGS THAT ARE NOT PUBLICLY, ALWAYS PUBLICLY DISCUSSED WITH, WITH CITY COUNCIL EVEN, UM, LET ALONE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
UM, SO HERE'S THE REQUIREMENT.
ANY MEETING OF A PUBLIC BODY, UM, UH, SHOULD BE OPEN SO EVERYONE CAN ATTEND.
UM, AND ALL LEGAL ACTION OF PUBLIC BODY SHALL OCCUR DURING A PUBLIC MEETING.
SO THAT ONE COMES UP AGAIN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SOMETIMES WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT ACTION COUNSEL MAY WANT TO TAKE, UM, ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY MAY WANT TO PAY FOR PURCHASING A PROPERTY, OR HOW MUCH THEY'RE WILLING TO SETTLE A LAWSUIT FOR.
UH, BUT COUNSEL CAN'T TAKE THAT ACTION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION SO WE CAN THEN GO NEGOTIATE WITH THE OTHER PARTY, AND THEN WE ALWAYS HAVE TO BRING BACK THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT OR THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT TO COUNCIL IN A PUBLIC MEETING FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON IT AND DECIDE IT.
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IS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.IT'S ANY, UM, PUBLIC BODY, ANY BODY THAT MAKES DECISIONS, LEGAL DECISIONS, THAT IS APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL OR EVEN A SUBGROUP OF CITY COUNCIL.
SO CITY COUNCIL DECIDES THEY WANT TO APPOINT TWO COUNSELORS TO GO, UH, DISCOVER OR RESEARCH OR, UM, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH SOME POLICY OR PROCEDURE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UH, LET'S SAY SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THEY WANT TO HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL SUBCOMMITTEE OF COUNCIL THAT BECOMES A PUBLIC BODY.
AND THOSE MEETINGS HAVE TO BE OPEN AS WELL.
SO, UM, YES, JACK, UM, AS PART OF OUR WORK PLAN, WE DISCUSSED, UM, AT TIMES HAVING SMALL WORK GROUPS, UH, IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE AIMING AT.
UH, AND, UM, I WONDER HOW THAT FITS INTO WHAT YOU'VE JUST DISCUSSED.
SO THE, YOU'RE, I, I WOULD KEEP IT LESS THAN YOU CAN MEET WITH STAFF INDIVIDUALLY, ALWAYS.
AND, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE OR, OR NOT LIKE TO SEE.
UM, BUT WITH JUST FIVE MEMBERS, THREE OF YOU OF QUORUM.
AND SO THE THREE OF YOU SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSING OUTSIDE OF ANY, UM, PUBLICLY AGENDIZED MEETING.
SO IF YOU WANNA HAVE A WORK GROUP, SMALL GROUP WITH THREE OF YOU JUST, YOU GOTTA JUST HAVE AN AGENDA AND PUBLISH IT, AND THE PUBLIC WOULD BE OPEN TO COME.
UM, OR THE, THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TO WORK WITH TWO PEOPLE.
WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK, SO YOU CAN DO TWO PEOPLE IF THEY'RE GOING OUT TO SURVEY A SITE OR SOMETHING.
UH, IS IS THE NUMBER THREE OR IS IT THE QUORUM, THE IMPORTANT THING, THE, THE SAME THREE IS THE QUORUM WITH WELL, RIGHT.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING IF YEP.
I MEAN, FOR OUR PURPOSES, I GUESS DOESN'T REALLY MATTER FOR YOUR PURPOSES.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT, AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE'LL GET TO, YOU KNOW, UM, A MEETING IS ANY DISCUSSION THAT TAKES PLACE WITH THREE OR MORE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
SO, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S, UH, DONE, UM, ALL AT THE SAME TIME OR DONE THROUGH EMAIL OR TEXT MESSAGING OR PHONE CALLS OVER A PERIOD OF WEEKS OR MONTHS.
UM, IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN THREE OF YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THE SAME TOPIC OUTSIDE OF AN AGENDIZED MEETING, THEN THAT'S A POTENTIAL OPEN MEETING LAW VIOLATION.
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT USING A CITY VEHICLE TO GO LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE SITES, AND IT WOULD BE HOPEFULLY THE WHOLE COMMISSION.
WOULD WE NEED TO TAKE DONNA WITH US TO, WOULD WE HAVE TO HAVE A RECORDING OF WHAT SAID? NO? SO THERE'S NO REQUIREMENTS, UM, TO RECORD EVERYTHING.
THE, THE AUDIO RECORDINGS WE DO IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE OPEN MEETING LINE REQUIREMENTS.
THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS TO HAVE MEETINGS OR MINUTES OF MEETING.
SO, UH, DONNA'S MINUTES WOULD JUST STATE THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, THE MEETING STARTED AT WHATEVER TIME THEY GOT IN A CAR AND THEN WENT AND VISITED A SITE, AND THAT X HOURS, HOURS ONE GAVE FOUR IS ONE OF US COMMISSIONERS CAN'T WRITE THAT.
WE WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO HAVE DONNA WRITE IT OR ONE OF THE COMMISSIONS.
WE WOULD YOU NEED IT ON AGENDA.
IF YOU'RE ALL GONNA GO DO A SITE VISIT, WHETHER YOU DRIVE TOGETHER SEPARATELY, UM, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO.
AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, UM, YEAH, IDEALLY YOU WOULDN'T BE DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE SITES MUCH OUTSIDE OF AN O UH, OPEN MEETING.
SO IT'LL HAVE TO BE AN AGENDA.
THE DRIVING TOGETHER IS MAYBE THE BEST IDEA 'CAUSE OF WHAT THE CONVERSATION MIGHT INCLUDE IN THE CAR.
WELL, SEE, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING THE VANS AND GOING AS A, A ANNOUNCED MEETING.
BECAUSE IT WOULD BE THE GROUP AND WE'D BE DRIVING, LOOKING AT SITES, AND SO IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN, AN OPEN MEETING THEN YOU WOULD WANT DONNA WITH YOU TO TAKE MINUTES, I GUESS, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA RECORD IT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
YEAH, DONNA, IF IT'S GONNA BE
AND WE DID DO THAT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF.
AND AND YOU WEREN'T HERE AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO, UM, IT WAS DISCUSSED SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR'S MEETING, WE'RE GONNA POSSIBLY, UH, COMMANDEER ONE OF THE CITY'S BUSES.
UH, HAVE, UH, THE FULL COMMISSION ON THERE.
UM, WE WOULD'VE, UH, UM, POSTED THAT, UM, AS A PUBLIC MEETING.
UH, YOU DONE ALL THE, ALL THE PRE, UH, WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY? UM, NOTICE NOTICES.
UM, AND, AND YES, WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE STAFF ON BOARD TO TAKE THOSE NOTES SO THAT, AGAIN, IT WAS VERY FREE AND OPEN.
IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, THE SAME PEOPLE DISCUSSING, TAKING THOSE NOTES AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT, SOME PEOPLE WOULD SEE THAT AS AN IMPER PER WELL, THAT, THAT BRINGS UP ANOTHER SUBJECT, WHICH IS IN MAY WE HAVE THE STATE MEETING COMING UP, AND I'M SURE THERE WILL BE AT LEAST THREE OF US.
SO, SO, SO WHAT WE DO IN THAT CASE, AND THE SAME THING HAPPENS WITH CITY COUNCIL, IS THEY WILL ALL GO TO THE SAME COMMUNITY EVENT.
UM, AND THE SECOND PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE U LIST IS LEGAL ACTION.
ALL LEGAL ACTION PUBLIC BODY SHALL OCCUR DURING PUBLIC MEETING.
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BE, THERE MAY BE A QUORUM, OR THERE'S ANTICIPATED TO BE A QUORUM OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEMBERS AT SUCH AND SUCH MEETING.UH, ALL OF CITY COUNCIL WILL GO DOWN TO THE LEAGUE ANNUAL EXECUTIVE MEETING IN AUGUST.
AND SO WE JUST POST NOTICE THAT THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE DOWN THERE.
AND, UM, BUT NO LEGAL ACTION IS EXPECTED TO BE CONSIDERED DISCUSSED OR TAKEN.
UM, SO YEAH, YOU'LL BE THERE DISCUSSING IN GENERAL YOUR ROLES WITH THE STATE HISTORIC, UM, PRESERVATION OFFICE, BUT YOU'RE NOT, UH, GONNA BE TAKING ANY LEGAL ACTION ON ANY ITEM.
SO IT'S MOSTLY EDUCATIONAL, BUT, BUT JUST BECAUSE THERE IS A QUORUM, THEN THAT'S, UM, WHY WE WOULD STILL POST AN AGENDA ANYWAY.
SAT I SAT IN THEIR CHAIRS, UH, AT MY LAST JOB.
AND, UM, WE USED TO HAVE TO POST, YOU KNOW, QUORUM MAY ATTEND NOTICES YEP.
YEAH, WE TAKE A C VAN AND A COMMISSION WITH A POSTED EVERYTHING LEGAL.
WHAT IF WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANT TO GO, HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT? 'CAUSE THAT COULD BE LIKE, OH BOY, YOU COULD GO SEE PUBLIC
HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE THAT? SO SOMETIMES, I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE, UH, I MEAN, GENERALLY A LOT OF THOSE MEETINGS THE PUBLIC COULD ATTEND.
THEY COULD ALSO GET A TICKET AND GO, I DON'T KNOW, UH, HOW IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR THE, THE STATE SHIPPO, BUT I MEAN, I'M NOT EXPECTING THAT.
BUT IF IT'S ANNOUNCED AND SOMEBODY CAN SAY, WELL, I WANNA SEE THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
THEN THEY CAN BUY A TICKET AND COME, UM, AND
SO I WAS GONNA CLARIFY TOO, THAT TYPICALLY IN WORK SESSIONS, THE STAFF LIAISON DOES THE MINUTES.
SO THE OPEN MEETING PROCEDURES ARE ACTUALLY PRETTY, UH, LOW.
YOU JUST NEED TO POST NOTICE ON THE WEBSITE 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING.
SO WE CAN ADD A, UH, GENERALLY WE TRY TO GET OUT, YOU KNOW, A WEEK OR TWO AHEAD SO THAT THE PUBLIC HAS PLENTY OF ADVANCED NOTICE.
UH, BUT IT ONLY NEEDS TO BE POSTED 24 HOURS IN, IN ADVANCE.
SO THINGS CAN CHANGE UP TO THAT QUICK.
UM, SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY HAMPERED IN OUR ABILITY TO MOVE QUICKLY IF WE NEED TO.
UM, IF WE REALLY NEED TO, IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY OR SOMETHING, CITY COUNCIL, P AND Z, WHATEVER, WE CAN, UM, SCHEDULE MEETINGS PRETTY QUICKLY.
SO, UM, ANY VIOLATION, UM, UH, OF A OPEN MEETING, LAW VIOLATION, UH, CAN, CAN LEAD TO A FINE FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, CAN LEAD TO YOU BEING REMOVED AS A COMMISSIONER.
UM, AND DOWN HERE I PUT THE MOST COMMON WAYS, IN THIS CASE, IT'S JUST GONNA BE DISCUSSIONS WITH YOUR FELLOW COUNSELOR.
SO IF YOU'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED AN ITEM WITH ONE COUNSELOR, YOU'RE GONNA WANNA BE CAREFUL.
UM, YOU'RE FREE TO DISCUSS IT, UM, WITH JUST ONE OTHER.
'CAUSE IF YOU DISCUSS IT WITH A THIRD, OR IF THEY GO, THEN DISCUSS WITH A THIRD COUN COMMISSIONER WHAT YOU HAD JUST SAID.
AND THEY SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER SO AND SO SAID THIS, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE CALL THE, THE DAISY CHAIN.
UM, OR THE HUB AND SPOKE, UM, TYPE VIOLATION.
SO IT CAN BE ONE CHATTY COMMISSIONER THAT LIKES TO TALK WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE, OR IT COULD BE JUST INADVERTENTLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, UH, YOU TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING AND NOT REALIZING THAT YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER COMMISSIONER'S THINKS SO AND SO OF THIS, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE THAT RIGHT THERE, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH A SMALL COM COMMISSION, IT'S EASIER TO, TO VIOLATE.
SO, UH, THE LARGER COMMISSIONS LIKE, UM, THE, UH, TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD WITH LIKE 11 MEMBERS, THEY GET A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAT CAN TALK TO.
UM, THE HUB AND SPOKE IS ALSO ANOTHER WAY THAT IS VIOLATED IS, IS USED AS USING STAFF.
UM, SO SOMETIMES YOU TRY TO SAY YOU COULD, UM, DIRECTING STAFF OR JUST TRYING TO GET INFORMATION FROM STAFF.
WHAT DID COMMISSIONER, WHAT DOES THE CHAIR THINK OF THIS? IF YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT ANOTHER COMMISSIONER THINKS ABOUT SOMETHING, YOU'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION.
IF YOU'RE ASKING STAFF, WHAT DOES ANOTHER COMMISSIONER OR THE CHAIR THINK OF THAT NOW YOU'VE HAD BASICALLY A POTENTIAL OPEN ME LAW VIOLATION BY HAVING A DISCUSSION ON ONE TOPIC THAT COULD COME TO COMMISSION FOR LEGAL ACTION OUTSIDE OF A, A AGENDA PUBLIC MEETING.
SO, AND IT IS A VIOLATION TO MERELY DIRECT STAFF TO VIOLATE OPEN MEETING LAW.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY ACTUALLY GO THROUGH WITH IT.
SO, UM, BE CAREFUL WITH THAT ONE.
UH, AND THEN THE PENALTIES, UM, UH, FINE AND REMOVAL FROM OFFICE, UH, FOR KNOWINGLY VIOLATING THE OPEN MEETING LAW.
UH, SO WE'RE HERE, OF COURSE, TO TRY TO HELP YOU NOT EVER HAVE THAT BECOME AN ISSUE.
SO IF YOU EVER HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, THEN UH, FEEL FREE TO EMAIL.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR STAFF LIAISON IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT OR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
UM, THE CLERK'S OFFICE ALSO DEALS A LOT WITH OPEN MEETING LAW.
UH, DONNA, UH, KNOWS IT PRETTY WELL AS ALSO, AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
SO ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS, THEN, UH, FEEL FREE TO, UH, EMAIL US THE PANEL.
THE CIVIL PENALTIES $500 FOR EACH VIOLATION.
AND IF YOU CONTINUE TO DO IT, THEN IT CAN GET INCREASED AT $2,500.
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UH, THE CITY CANNOT PAY.IT'S AGAINST THE PERSON, SO AGAINST YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
SO THE DOWNSIDE OF BEING, UM, OUR PUBLIC BODY.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOU AND ALL THAT YOU DO, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING TO BE CAREFUL OF.
UM, AND NOW, AS WE WERE DISCUSSING A LITTLE BIT, THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST LAW, UM, THE COMMON KIND OF DEFINITION IS A REAL OR SEEMINGLY INCOMPATIBLE, UH, INCOMPATIBILITY BETWEEN ONE'S PRIVATE INTEREST AND ONE'S PUBLIC DUTIES.
UM, BUT IN ARIZONA, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A FAIRLY NARROW DEFINITION OF IT.
AND THAT DEFINITION, I'LL SKIP THROUGH SOME OF THIS, UM, IS, UM, RIGHT HERE IN 38, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D SEE MY REPORT, YOU CAN'T.
BUT IN THE BOTTOM, UH, 38 DASH 5 0 2 11, A SUBSTANTIAL INTEREST.
UH, SO IF YOU HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL INTEREST IN A, A LEGAL ACTION THAT MAY COME BEFORE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
AND THAT MEANS ANY NONS SPECULATIVE PECUNIARY OR PROPRIETARY INTEREST, EITHER DIRECT OR INDIRECT, OTHER THAN A REMOTE INTEREST.
AND A REMOTE INTEREST IS ACTUALLY, UM, SOME OF THOSE ARE PRETTY INTERESTING AND DEFINED.
LIKE YOU CAN OWN UP TO LIKE, I FORGET WHAT IT IS, EIGHT OR 10% OF A COMPANY THAT'S GONNA BE DOING BUSINESS BEFORE YOUR BOARD AND STILL NOT HAVE A DIRECT
THERE'S SOME INTERESTING AMOUNT THAT ARIZONA'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IS MORE LAX THAN I THINK THE PUBLIC IS.
AND SO THERE'S ALWAYS THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION TO WATCH OUT AS WELL.
BUT IN GENERAL, A PECUNIARY, UM, OR PROPRIETARY INTEREST, JUST AS PECUNIARY MEANS MONEY.
THE COURT'S HELPFULLY TOLD US BACK IN 1993, AND PROPRIETY REMAINS OWNERSHIP.
SO IF YOU HAVE A MONETARY OR OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN SOMETHING COMING BEFORE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, THEN UM, REACH OUT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND WE CAN GET YOU AN OPINION ON OR TO HELP YOU NAVIGATE WHETHER THAT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR NOT.
UM, THE PENALTIES FOR A VIOLATING A CONFLICT OF INTEREST LAW ARE A LITTLE, UM, MORE SEVERE.
UH, INSTEAD OF JUST A CIVIL PENALTY AND REMOVAL FROM OFFICE, ANYONE WHO VIOLATES A CONFLICT OF INTEREST LAW, IF YOU DO IT INTENTIONALLY, THEN IT'S A CLASS SIX, UM, FELONY, WHICH IS THE LOWEST LEVEL FELONY, BUT IT'S STILL A FELONY.
UM, WHICH MEANS YOU COULD BE PUNISHED BY PRISON TIME, ALTHOUGH ANY FIRST TIME OFFENDER IS GONNA GET, UM, PROBATION, UH, THE MOST, UM, BUT RECKLESSLY OR NEGLIGENTLY IS A CLASS ONE MISDEMEANOR.
CLASS ONE MISDEMEANOR CAN STILL BE PUNISHED BY SIX MONTHS, JAIL, $2,500 FINE AND A YEAR PROBATION.
UM, IN THE PAST, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY IN THE STATE, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY P AND Z COMMISSIONERS OR HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSIONERS OR ANYONE AT THAT KIND OF LEVEL OF, UH, COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE EVER BEEN CHARGED WITH, UM, A CONFLICT OF INTEREST VIOLATION.
SO IT'D BE PRETTY RARE FOR IT TO COME UP.
UH, BUT IT IS THERE, UM, IT'S WHEN YOU GET TO CITY COUNSELORS OR LEGISLATORS, UM, THAT THEY, THEY GET THEMSELVES IN TROUBLE SOMETIMES.
SO, UH, ALTHOUGH NOT EVER HERE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, THANK GOODNESS.
SO, UH, THAT'S THE PRESENTATION ON THE OPEN MEDIA LAW AND CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND GOING OVER A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR GUYS' DUTIES AS HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSIONERS.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, I WAS, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE.
I'D LIKE TO ADDITION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE TO THE ORDINANCE OR TO YOUR HANDBOOK? NO.
WELL, WHAT ARE THE ORDINANCE? I I'VE NEVER SEEN THE HANDBOOK, SO I DON'T KNOW
WELL, UM, I, I, UH, THE ORDINANCE THAT I WRIT YEP.
OMITTED AN ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THERE.
AND I JUST WONDER, IS THIS SOMETHING WE WOULD ALL, THAT WOULD BE DONE PUBLICLY AND BROUGHT UP AS AN AGENDA ITEM KIND OF A THING? YEP.
SO IF YOU WANNA PROPOSE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL ITEM AND THE LDC SECTION 8.7, YOU GOT B, C, D, AND E THERE, UM, THEN YOU CAN ADD AN, UH, AN F OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, NEXT SECTION THAT COMES UP.
UH, YOU CAN AGENDIZE IT AS A PROPOSAL.
UH, YOU, UM, AND SO YOU'D WANNA REACH OUT TO STAFF FIRST.
THEY CAN GIVE YOU THEIR COMMENTS ON IT, WHETHER THEY THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT.
UM, BUT EVEN IF THEY DON'T, YOU CAN BRING IT TO ALL YOUR COMMISSION.
IF THE COMMISSION AGREES, THEN THEY CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO AMEND IT, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THROUGH AN ORDINANCE UPDATE, AND THEN COUNCIL CAN AMEND IT OR NOT AT, AT THEIR DISCUSSION.
IF IT WAS AN OMISSION THAT, AT THE TIME I WROTE THIS IN 91, IT'S YEAH.
UH, IT HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING STEVE, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND NEEDS TO BE ADDED.
ORDINANCES, IF IT'S AN ADDITION LIKE THAT, THEN COUNCIL WOULD'VE TO HAVE TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS ON IT.
BUT, UM, THEY, WE, WE DO ORDINANCES EVERY, EVERY OTHER MONTH PROBABLY.
WE'RE UPDATING SOME ORDINANCE, SO YEP.
IT CAN JUST FIT IN THAT CYCLE.
WELL, I HOPE IT'S A QUICK WORD.
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I'M AN ARCHITECT.MY DAD WAS AN ARCHITECT BEFORE ME MM-HMM
AND SOME OF HIS BUILDINGS ARE GETTING OLD ENOUGH HERE IN SEDONA THAT THEY QUALIFY TO GO ON THE HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
IN NO WAY IS THAT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR ME TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE COMMISSIONER, OR IS IT, UH, TO PROVIDE, PROVIDE INFORMATION OR TO SIT ON THOSE ABOUT, SIT ON THOSE DECISIONS, THOSE DECISIONS.
UM, SEND ME AN EMAIL AND WE CAN LOOK AT IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT WE COULD, UH, YEAH, DEFINITELY LOOK INTO IT TO MAKE SURE.
SO I HAVE, I HAVE A LIST OF A FEW TODAY,
BUT THIS WOULD BE, AND I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO IF THERE, EXCUSE ME, IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE AGENDA TO DISCUSS RIGHT.
SO SHOULD I, SO IF YOU'RE JUST DISCUSSING, YOU'RE NOT GONNA TAKE ANY ACTION ON 'EM TODAY, THIS BACK
SO IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE NOT LOOKING TO ACTUALLY MAKE ANY OF THEM, DESIGNATE THEM A LANDMARK RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE JUST HAVING AN INITIAL DISCUSSION, THEN YOU'RE FINE FOR TODAY.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEND ME AN EMAIL AND I, I THINK IT'S, THE ANSWER'S GONNA BE, NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, BUT LET ME TAKE A LOOK.
UM, AND CONFIRM WHETHER YOU HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, DIRECT PECUNIARY PROPRIETOR INTEREST IN THAT, SO, YEAH.
UH, I MIGHT NEED TO SEND YOU AN EMAIL ABOUT THIS ONE TOO, BUT JUST THINKING ABOUT IT, LIKE, WHAT ABOUT, UM, SOMETHING AT JORDAN HISTORICAL PARK, UM, WHERE I'M THE LEASE, BUT I'M NOT THE OWNER, SO I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN OWNERSHIP STAKE IN IT, LIKE, BUT YOU YEAH.
BUT YOU'RE, BUT YOU WORK FOR THE OWNER TOO, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THAT ONE WOULD PROBABLY BE CLOSE ENOUGH.
BUT YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT, AGAIN, I WOULD ERR ON THE SIDE OF, YOU COULD SEND ME AN EMAIL, I WOULDN'T GET YOU AN ACTUAL OPINION, GIMME ALL THE DETAILS.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN HAVE ANYTHING IN MIND, BUT IT'S JUST WHEN IT COMES, AS I WAS THINKING ABOUT BOBBY'S SITUATION, I WAS LIKE, OH, THIS ONE'S COMPLEX.
SO, I MEAN, GENERALLY IF YOU LIVED IN THE HOUSE, THAT WAS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, DESIGNATED RIGHT.
YOU GENERALLY, IF YOU WERE JUST THE LESLIE, I'D PROBABLY SAY NO.
UM, BUT SINCE YOU THE, YOU WORK FOR THE OWNER, THEN IT'S, IT'S A CLOSER CONNECTION.
SO I'D PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, I'D LEAN TOWARDS YES.
SO, BUT YEAH, YOU CAN SEND ME AN EMAIL AND I'LL GET YOU WRITTEN ACTUALLY, THAT, THAT BRINGS UP THE CITY OWNS YEAH.
AND IF WE'RE CITY COMMISSIONERS,
SO, UH, YEAH, I DON'T SEE, UH, YOU VOTING ON ANY PROPERTY, WHETHER THE CITY PURCHASED IT BEFORE OR AFTER, OR WHENEVER, YOU KNOW.
I MEAN, IF LIKE A RANGER STATION, RIGHT.
SO BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY HOUSE WHICH IS OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTION
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PECUNIARY PROPRIETARY INTEREST IN IT.
WE, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, SO IT, WE EXPECT YOU TO BE INTERESTED IN THESE PROPERTIES, UM, AND HAVE A BIAS AS TO WHETHER THEY SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE DESIGNATED A LANDMARK.
UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY WE, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL CHOOSES, UH, COMMISSIONERS LIKE YOU, THEY WANT PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THE, IN THE SUBJECT.
UM, AND SO SAME THING HAPPENS AT P AND Z.
UH, P AND Z COMMISSIONERS CAN HAVE STRONG FEELINGS FOR OR AGAINST CERTAIN PROJECTS, UM, AND BE VERY VOCAL ABOUT IT.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S A PECUNIARY PROPRIETARY INTEREST IN THE OUTCOME OF IT.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.
ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR MEETING.
AND, UH, THANKS FOR BEARING WITH US AND PUTTING IT OFF A MONTH,
DID YOU WANT USE THIS OR USE IT? OKAY.
MOVING ON TO, UH, FIVE B DISCUSSION AND APPROVAL OF THE 20 25, 20 26 WORK PLAN.
UM, I WILL PREFACE THIS BY, BY SAYING, UH, COMMISSIONER FEENEY MAY REMEMBER, UH, US WORKING ON THIS AND BE LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE.
WHAT, WHY IS THIS BACK ON HERE? UH, AS, AS, UH, STEVE AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE AGENDA, WE REALIZED THAT WE'D NEVER ACTUALLY TAKEN A VOTE ON IT, AND IT NEEDED A COUPLE OF, OF AMENDMENTS, UH, AND CLARIFICATIONS.
UH, SO THOSE CHANGE HAVE BEEN MADE, UH, PART OF IT IS SAYING 25, 26 SINCE, UH, AS, AS IT WAS WRITTEN DOWN, IT WAS THOUGHT OF AS A CALENDAR YEAR, BUT IT REALLY NEEDS TO LINE UP WITH THE CITY'S FISCAL YEAR, WHICH BRIDGES THAT, THAT, UH, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, UH, WAS THAT, UH, NOT ONLY TO SEEK OUT FUNDING OR POSSIBLE GRANT FUNDING FOR FUNDING SURVEY, BUT, YOU KNOW, CONDUCT THE SURVEY AS WELL, UH, WAS NOT ON THERE EVEN THOUGH IT WAS THE NEXT LOGICAL, UH, STEP.
UH, WE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER TO CODIFY IT IN WRITING
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THAN, UH, NOT.UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THOSE WERE THE ONLY CHANGES TO THAT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF STEVE, YOU WANT TO, UH, ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? UH, JUST THANK YOU, THANK YOU CHAIR.
UM, JUST THAT, UM, IT ALSO GIVES YOU ALL ONE MORE CHANCE TO SAY, HEY, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE ADDED OR NOT.
SO, UM, IF YOU THINK IT'S GREAT IF THE WAY IT IS, OKAY.
BUT IT, IT JUST GIVES YOU ONE MORE CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND SO REALLY WHAT, WHAT THE WORK PLAN DOES FOR, ESPECIALLY FOR, FOR BOBBY AND KAREN IS, IS JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, KNOW, UH, THIS ALL CAME OUT OF THE DISCUSSION LAST YEAR THAT CAME FROM CITY COUNCIL SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS HPC AND WHAT IS HPC DOING? UH, AND SO THIS IS US SAYING WE ARE GOING TO LANDMARK THINGS.
WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT UPDATING SURVEYS.
WE'RE, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, CREATING DISTRICTS AND, AND THINKING ABOUT, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AND, AND IN A WIDER SCALE THAN JUST SINGLE PROPERTIES.
UM, AND, AND JUST PUTTING IN THERE, UM, THAT KINDA STUFF.
THE, THE COMMISSIONER TRAINING, YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT IS, UM, IS GOING TO THE, TO THE CONFERENCE, CONFERENCE CONFERENCE AND THE CLG TRAINING.
PART OF THAT IS, UH, POTENTIALLY HAVING SOMEBODY FROM SHIPPO COME UP HERE AND TALK TO US IN ONE OF OUR MEETINGS.
UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING EDUCATION FOR ALL OF US.
'CAUSE THAT'S IN THE MINUTES TALKING ABOUT BUILDING, COMING UP FROM THE, UH, CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, ARIANA GLG.
BUT YEAH, I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS.
I'M WONDERING ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF ARIANA NOW BECAUSE WE'RE SO CLOSE TO THE STATE CONFERENCE.
WELL, WE MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE CONFERENCE.
ARE WE STILL THINKING ABOUT INVITING THE COUNCIL TO TAKE PART IN THAT? I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
CAN WE ASK OR INVITE COUNSEL TO DO SUCH THINGS? I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
I KNOW THAT WAS AN IMPOSSIBILITY AT MY LAST WORKPLACE.
I HAVE AN AVENUE TO AT LEAST ASK.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO FORMULATE, UNFORTUNATELY THE PERSON WITH THE ANSWER JUST LEFT.
WAS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IT WOULD, WE WOULD JUST TAKE ONE PERSON FROM THE, UH, COUNSEL? WELL, I, I THINK LET'S NOT GET BOGGED DOWN IN THE DETAILS OF HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
LET'S, I'M THINKING OF THE, THE NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND.
BUT LET'S THINK ABOUT LIKE THE FULL WORK PLAN SINCE THAT'S WHAT'S AGENDA IS NOT PLANNING OUT OUR TRAINING SESSIONS.
I WAS THINKING GOING TO THE ACCOUNT, THE, UH, AGAIN, YEAH.
AGAIN, BUT LET'S, LET'S STICK TO THE BIG PICTURE HERE,
SO WHEN I LOOK, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE TO ME.
THIS SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY GOOD DIRECTION.
AND, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ALONG THIS PATH ANYWAY.
I MEAN, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM OUR AGENDAS THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS, THIS IS A PATH WE'RE GOING ON.
IT'S REALLY JUST WE REALIZED WE NEVER ACTUALLY TOOK A FORMAL VOTE OR ANYTHING.
SO, UH, IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, UM, CAN I MAKE A MOTION OR IN SUMMARY YEAH.
THAT, THAT WE ACCEPT THE, UH, UH, WORK PLAN FOR 2025, 2026 AS PRESENTED TO US? UH, I'M SORRY, BEFORE WE TAKE A SECOND, DONNA, DO I NEED TO OPEN AND CLOSE A PUBLIC FORUM ON THIS? IT WOULD BE A GOOD, I.
UM, DO I NEED TO WAIT FOR THE SECOND OR SHOULD I NO, JUST OPEN AND CLOSE IT BEFORE THE MOTIONS.
SO BE, LET'S PRETEND THAT MOTION HADN'T BEEN MADE YET.
UH, AND SEEING NO PUBLIC DISCUSSION, WE'LL CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC FORUM AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A MOTION.
UH, SO I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE WORK PLAN FOR THAT'S PRESENTED BEFORE US FOR 2025 THROUGH 2026.
UH, DISCUSSION FIVE C, DISCUSSION OF INVITING SHIPPO TO SEDONA.
HPC OR, OR FOR CLG CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT TRAINING.
UM, I PUT THIS IN, IN THE AGENDA, UH, IN HOPES THAT, UM, ARIANA WOULD'VE GOTTEN BACK TO ME BY THIS TIME.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, I DO NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR YOU OTHER THAN TO SAY, I DID CONTACT HER THROUGH AN EMAIL, LET HER KNOW THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR ONSITE,
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UM, TRAINING FROM HER IF POSSIBLE.IS THIS SOMETHING, THIS MAY BE TOTALLY NOT POSSIBLE.
CAN WE, LIKE, MAYBE NATE CAN GO SAY, CAN WE SIGN YOU UP? IS THAT LEGAL TO DO? COULD HE DO THAT? GO TALK TO HER IN PERSON AND SAY, CAN WE SIGN YOU UP FOR A DATE TO COME UP? SURE.
I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THAT WOULD BE AN IMPROPRIETY.
UM, IT'S, UH, NOT A DISCUSSION THAT YOU ALL ARE HAVING AT THE CONFERENCE AND SAYING, YES, LET'S DO THIS.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING THAT DECISION RIGHT NOW IN, IN A PUBLIC MEETING, AND THEREFORE NATE WOULD BE ACTING ON THAT.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE.
DO, DO WE NEED TO GET COUNSEL'S APPROVAL? NO, I THINK THIS IS WITHIN, AND I MIGHT BE OUT ON LEDGE HERE, BUT I THINK IT'S WITHIN, UH, YOUR TRAINING REQUIREMENTS, UHHUH,
SO, WELL, THEREIN LIES THE RUB BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A QUORUM OF US HERE, WE'RE BEING TRAINED.
DO WE HAVE TO MAKE IT DISCLOSED TO THE PUBLIC? OH, YEAH.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT, IT HAS TO HAVE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.
IT JUST MEANS THAT, OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO NOTICE, UM, THE MEETING.
I'M SURE THE WHOLE TOWN REALLY WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT THE CLG
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ONE? OKAY.
FIVE D CONTINUATION OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ME RIGBY HOUSE AS IT RELATES TO POSSIBLY SURVEYING THE HOUSE IN LIGHT OF A REQUEST TO REZONE THE PROPERTY UPON WHICH IT SITS.
UM, DID YOU WANNA START WITH AN UPDATE? YEAH, IT'S ALL ABOUT ME TODAY.
I MEAN, ONCE KURT LEFT, IT'S ABOUT ME.
UM, I AGAIN HAD HOPE TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION FOR YOU.
WHAT I HAVE IS THAT, UM, UH, CORRECTIONS, UH, AND COMMENTS WERE SENT BACK TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WHO WAS LOOKING TO GO THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS.
UM, THEY HAVE, UM, I, I DON'T WANNA SAY STALLED BECAUSE THAT ALMOST, UH, UH, DENOTES, UH, THAT, THAT THEY'RE STOPPING.
BUT, UM, THEY'VE SLOWED THE PROCESS AT THIS POINT ONCE THEY'VE SEEN THOSE COMMENTS.
AND SO, UM, IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE, UH, THAT REZONING PROCESS IS GOING TO PICK UP QUICKLY VERY SOON.
SO, UM, I DID NOTICE, UM, THAT A CERTAIN COMMISSIONER HERE HAD DONE THE SURVEY OF THAT HOUSE.
I, I BROUGHT THE SURVEY BOOK TODAY.
UM, AND, UH, PICKING UP ON THE DISCUSSION FROM THE LAST MEETING, UM, I STILL KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT WHENEVER YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, CONTACT THE PROPERTY OWNERS, I CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION.
BOBBY AND I ARE GONNA GO IN ABOUT A WEEK AFTER THE STORMS AND, UH, WOULD LIKE TO GO OUT AND SURVEY IT OKAY.
TO SEE WHAT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
UM, AND OF COURSE IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WISHES, WE WILL TALK TO THEM AS WELL.
BUT IF THEY'RE NOT HOME, I CAN'T GO INSIDE, BUT I CAN SURE.
I I'M NOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT'S THEIR PROPERTY.
WE SHOULD HAVE PERMISSION FROM THEM AHEAD OF TIME.
AND, UH, I WOULD, I REALLY, BILL, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE, I'M SORRY.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE THE I DON'T KNOW.
AND, UH, LET THEM KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT SOME BIG THREAT, THAT WE JUST NEED TO UPDATE OUR, GET THE, UH, SURVEY AND SEE IT IS STILL APPROPRIATE TO BE LANDMARKED.
AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE POSSIBLY TRYING TO SELL IT TO THE DEVELOPER THAT WANTS TO DEVELOP IT.
AND I THINK I MENTIONED THIS AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, THAT IT WOULD BE REALLY WONDERFUL TO SAVE THE HOUSE LIKE THEY DID OVER AT, UH, NOT TOY P, BUT, UH, THE RESORT THERE BECAUSE THEY MIGHT, LOS ABOGADOS, LOS ABOGADOS, THEY SAVED THE OLD HOUSE THERE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THEY COULD WORK BY SAVING THAT, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A NEAT THING TO HAVE.
BUT THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT IF THE PROSPECTIVE BUYER.
BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING THE OWNERS NOW, THE
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EXISTING OWNERS ARE, ARE PUTTING THEIR FOOT ON THE BRAKE, ON GETTING THE REZONING, DO YOU GET THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY MAY NOT BE INTERESTED IN SELLING ANYMORE? UH, OR IS THERE ANY FEELING YOU GET OF YEAH.UM, I DON'T, I HAVE NOT BEEN A PART OF THOSE MEETINGS.
UM, AND EVEN IF I HAD A FEELING, UM, I'D BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO, UH, STATE, ESPECIALLY IN A PUBLIC MEETING, UM, WHAT THE OWNERS MAY OR MAY NOT BE THINKING OF.
ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT, UM, THOSE COMMENTS WERE, WERE SENT TO THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, UM, FOR, FOR THAT, UH, REZONING PROCESS.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY JUST WANTED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND, AND RETHINK, UH, UH, HOW THEY'RE GONNA ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS.
AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I KNOW AT THIS POINT.
IT, I, I SPOKE TO THE, THE OWNERS LAST WEEK, UM, AND THEY, THEY ARE EXPECTING A, A CALL FROM A SURVEYOR, SO, UM, THEY'LL BE EXPECTING YOUR CALL.
UM, BUT, UM, UH, I THINK WHEN I SPOKE TO THEM INITIALLY ABOUT THIS, UH, I THINK THEY THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE A CONDITIONAL, UH, UH, GETTING THIS DONE WAS A CONDITION OF REZONING.
AND SO THEY WERE TRYING TO MOVE, MOVE, MOVE, MOVE, MOVE.
UH, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I LET 'EM KNOW THIS WOULD NOT BE CON, YOU KNOW, REZONING WOULD NOT BE CONDITIONAL UPON THE SURVEY, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE ANYTHING SHOULD HAPPEN IF ANYTHING SHOULD HAPPEN THERE.
WELL, AND THE LAST SURVEY DONE IN 2014 DEEMED THAT IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY IN SHAPE TO BE LANDMARKED, WHICH I, THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE NEED TO GO OVER THERE.
AND, UM, C HAS IT CHANGED SO MUCH THAT IS NO LONGER, WHICH IS A MOOT POINT THEN, IF THAT'S THE CASE THAT PUTS THAT, YOU KNOW, NO MORE.
THEREBY WE GO BACK TO RESOURCE RECOGNITION.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
AND, AND FOR THAT THIRD PART IS TO JUST HAVE A BETTER SURVEY OF THAT HOUSE REGARDLESS MM-HMM
I WANT TO GO INSIDE
I HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN A LONG TIME.
I WANNA SEE WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO IT.
ANYTHING ELSE ON, UH, THAT HOUSE, THAT PROPERTY? UH, NO.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? JUST YEAH, BECAUSE I'M SO NEW TO THIS.
HOW DO WE DECIDE WHO GOES OVER TO THAT PROPERTY TO DO THAT, THAT, UH, INVESTIGATION? BECAUSE I JUST, I'M, I, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT DOING ANYTHING I CAN DO, BUT HOW, HOW DO WE COME TO THAT DECISION? HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? UM, THAT WAS, THEY REACHED OUT TO ME AND SAID THEY WANTED, THEY WERE READY TO, TO GET AN UPDATED SURVEY ON IT.
UM, AND THEN HOW DID WE DECIDE THE TWO? SO WE HAD A COUPLE, WE HAD A COUPLE OPTIONS.
WE COULD HAVE GONE OUT AND HIRED SOMEBODY OUT.
UH, UM, AND THERE WERE A COUPLE PEOPLE WE COULD DO THAT WITH.
UH, BUT I KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER STUPAC DID THE ORIGINAL SURVEY ON IT, UM, AND IS PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
AND, UM, SO I WANTED TO GIVE HER THE, THE FIRST OPTION TO, TO DO IT.
SO IF SHE WANTED TO ME, I ASKED HER IT WAS OKAY TO TAKE YOU SO YOU COULD SEE WHAT A SURVEY'S ALL ABOUT.
AND ALSO YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF ARCHITECTURAL ASPECTS IS, SO THAT'S WHY I, I AM, I'M HOPING, I'M GLAD YOU'RE GONNA GO ALONG.
SO, SO WHEN WE GET THESE OTHER PROJECTS, POTENTIALLY WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT YOU, YOU'LL TRY TO GET THE BALL ROLLING ON WHO MIGHT BE TAKE THE LEAD ON IT, AND THEN WHO MIGHT BE THE OTHER PERSON THAT GOES ALONG.
IS THAT HOW IT KIND OF GOES DOWN? IT, IT'S ALL GONNA, I, I THINK IT'LL BE PROBABLY A CASE BY CASE BASIS ON SOME OF 'EM.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, SOME OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE CAUGHT UP AND SWEPT UP IN THIS OVERALL SURVEY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, UH, GETTING DONE FOR EVERYTHING.
UM, AND, AND IDEALLY THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE CAN MOVE THE BALL FORWARD.
BUT IF WE IDENTIFY A COUPLE THAT WE NEED TO, UH, UH, SURVEY INDEPENDENT OF THAT OR EARLIER OR, OR, OR WHATEVER, UM, YEAH, WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, WHETHER IT'S HAVING SOMEBODY ON THE COMMISSION DO IT, WHETHER IT'S, UH, WE DON'T HAVE TIME OR, OR RESOURCES OR WHATEVER.
UH, WE NEED TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO DO IT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW THAT CAN BE DONE.
SO IS THAT GENERALLY KIND OF YES.
I MEAN, THE CITY IN THE PAST, I MEAN THAT FOR, FOR THE LANDMARK PROPERTIES WE DID LAST YEAR, WE HIRED OUT.
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MAYBE TO KIND OF CLARIFY, AND, AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I DID WANNA TALK ABOUT THOSE TWO.UH, UH, THE PROCESS WAS THAT ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS, MR. FEENEY, UM, ACTUALLY DID, UH, HELP THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITH THE APPLICATION AND, AND THE SURVEY THAT GOES WITH THE APPLICATION.
BUT THEN WE DID HIRE, UH, A, A PERSON TO, UH, DO THE FULL BLOWN SURVEY THAT WAS USED TO MAKE THE, THEN BRING, UH, FORTH TO THE COMMISSION TO, UH, TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO LANDMARK THAT PROPERTY.
SO THAT THAT FULL BLOWN SURVEY BECAME THAT, UM, THE BIGGER PIECE OF THE PUZZLE TO HELP COMMISSION, UH, DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO, UH, APPROVE, UH, THAT PARCEL OR THOSE PARCELS.
SO, UM, IN THE BE, I'M SORRY, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT HOW IT COMES ABOUT COMES ABOUT SOMETIMES.
AND IN THE BEGINNING, IT, IT COULD DEFINITELY BE WHAT YOU, YOU ARE, UH, SUGGESTING RIGHT NOW AS TO HAVE A COMMISSIONER OR TWO COMMISSIONERS DO THE INITIAL INVESTIGATION, UM, BRING BACK THAT INFORMATION, OR MAYBE SUBMIT THAT APPLICATION IN THE SURVEY AS WAS DONE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER FEENEY, UH, WITH THE TWO PRIOR LANDMARK.
AND THEN WE START THAT PROCESS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY HIRING A, UH, UH, SOMEBODY A, A A CONSULTANT FOR THAT JOB, BECAUSE THEN, THEN THE SURVEY DONE BY THAT PERSON IS MUCH MORE IN DEPTH.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ONE? GREAT.
UH, MOVING ON TO DISCUSSION AND PRIORITIZATION OF PROPERTIES TO ASSESS FOR POSSIBLE LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
UM, AND, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL PART OF, UH, ENSURING THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING OUR WORK PLAN.
WE'RE IDENTIFYING PROPERTIES TO LANDMARK.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT A FEW LAST TIME AROUND, UH, I WILL SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS ASKED TO GO OUT AND, AND MAKE CONTACT WITH THE OWNERS OF THE, THE CEMETERY OUT ON 1 79.
UM, AND A, A QUICK UPDATE THERE.
THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN, IN PURSUING LANDMARKING AT THIS TIME.
UM, SO, UM, BUT I, I THINK WE WANTED TO BRING THIS UP AND, AND CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION.
I, I, I KNOW BOBBY, YOU BROUGHT, UH,
UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE THOUGHTS, BUT, UH, YOU BROUGHT A LIST.
SO
I ACTUALLY FOUND A NOTEBOOK WHERE HE RECENTLY, BY HIS HAND, YOU MIGHT LOOK AT, THIS IS INTERESTING, BY HIS HAND, HE STARTED LISTING ALL HIS PROJECTS.
SO I, LOOKING AT THAT LIST, I JUST PUT DOWN THE ONES THAT WERE MEETING THAT 50 YEAR CRITERIA AND THREW A COUPLE IN THERE THAT AREN'T HOUSES AND AREN'T IN SEDONA, JUST FOR CONTEXT.
BECAUSE IT'S JUST, IF WE MAKE THE LIST, IT'S NICE TO HAVE THE CONTEXT.
SO, SO THERE'S ABOUT, UM, THERE'S A FEW HOUSES ON THERE, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THEM, BUT ONE IN PARTICULAR, IT WAS A MID-CENTURY MODERN, AND IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS THE THIRD OR FOURTH HOUSE HE DID.
AND MAYBE IT WAS LOFTON WAS THE NAME.
I HAPPEN TO KNOW THE NEW OWNER OF THAT PLACE.
AND, AND SO I REACHED OUT TO HIM NOT KNOWING WHAT I CAN REALLY TALK ABOUT, BUT, AND SAID, HEY, UM, I TOLD HIM I'M ON THE COMMISSION AND IF THERE WAS ANY INTEREST AT ALL FROM YOUR STANDPOINT AND THE COMMISSION HAD AN INTEREST, THEN WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND HE SAID, FINE.
AND, UH, WHICH PROPERTY? IT WOULD BE NUMBER FOUR? LOUGHLIN.
SO IT'S BROKEN ARROW, NUMBER THREE.
IS IT NUMBER THREE BROKEN ARROW? WELL, THAT THERE'S A LONG 10.
SO
AND THE NUMBERS ARE FUNNY BECAUSE IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NOTEBOOK, HE STARTED NUMBERING HOUSES AND I COULDN'T TELL IF IT WAS NUMBER ONE IN SEDONA, NUMBER TWO IN SEDONA, AND THEN HE SKIPPED THE NUMBER.
SO IT'S A LITTLE, HE WAS GETTING OLDER AND I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, AS HE'S KIND OF LISTING THESE OUT.
BUT, UM, SO I JUST LIMITED, LIKE I
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SAID, TO THE FIF THAT MADE THE 50 YEARS MM-HMMAND, UH, SO, BUT THE MID MODERN FOR MY DAD ANYWAYS WAS KIND OF THE EARLY, HE HAD A ONE WAY SLOPING ROOF MM-HMM
AND, UH, HE DID A LOT OF THOSE HOUSES INFLUENCED, UH, BY THAT, UH, THAT GENRE, LET'S SAY.
UM, AND THEN AS HE WENT THROUGH HIS CAREER, HE HAD OTHER SORT OF, UH, TYPES OF BUILDINGS, IF YOU WANNA CALL 'EM THAT.
UH, SO THAT ONE WAS A, THERE'S AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE, SIX CANDIDATES IN THERE THAT, THAT KIND OF GENRE THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE FOR YOU.
AND, AND IF I BROUGHT A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT 'EM, YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT 'EM AND SEE IF IS UH, IS THE RACKET CLUB STILL THERE? YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY IT IS NOT, BUT I WANNA PUT THAT IN, IN THERE FOR CONTEXT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN 50 YEARS.
WHAT IS IN FOOTHILL CELL? YEAH.
THEY'LL BE, UH, LONG LOCKTON BROKEN ARROW.
IS THAT SEDONA WEST SUBDIVISION OR BROKEN ARROW? WHICH BROKEN ARROW IS, IS AS YOU HEAD TOWARDS THE VILLAGE IS OFF TO THE RIGHT BY THE CHURCH.
SO I THINK THAT GETS, I THINK THAT MAKES IT, THAT'S THE CITY.
YES, IT IS NEAR, NEAR, UM, CHAPEL.
IT'S, UM, NEAR THE CHURCH OF THE RED ROCKS.
BUT IT, UM, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE CEMETERY.
BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS JUST MY LIST.
BUT WHAT WAS FUN FOR ME IS I HAPPENED TO FIND MY DAD'S WRITING THIS LONG LIST.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S THE SUMMARY OF THE, OF THOSE 50 YEARS.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST LIKE, UM, YOU, YOU ALMOST WANTED TO MAKE THE WOODS, YOU KNOW, DOWN WOOD HOUSES LIKE WE DO WITH, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER ONES.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT DOWN WOODS IS MM-HMM
HAS DESIGNED, 'CAUSE HE WAS ONE, ONE OF THE MAJOR DESIGNERS IN TOWN.
BUT HE'S NEVER, HE'S DOESN'T HAVE A HOUSE ON THE, ON THE, ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
BECAUSE HE, YOU KNOW, HE, UM, BUILT HIS HOUSE UP AT THE END OF MOUNT SHADOW DRIVE AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S PRETTY, THAT'S FAIRLY NEW.
BUT I REMEMBER WHEN HE BUILT IT.
'CAUSE I WAS HONORED TO KNOW YOUR PHONE.
BUT, UM, NO, I, I THINK THAT, UH, DEFINITELY IN MY OPINION, IF THEY QUALIFY, IT WOULD BE FUN TO DO AT LEAST ONE OR TWO.
BECAUSE HE WAS A SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECT AND IT WAS LIKE, YOU'VE GOT A DON WOODS HOME.
I MEAN, THAT WAS THE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, REACTION YOU WOULD GET.
WE HAVE ONE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US.
BUT THAT, WELL, HE'S GOT A BUNCH.
YOU, HE WAS THE ONE YOU WENT TO.
I'D LOVE TO, BUT NOT SO MANY 50 YEARS AGO.
BUT I'D LOVE THAT LIST IS JUST 50 YEARS OR BEYOND, SO, I MEAN, YEAH.
NO, I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME OF HIS LANDMARK.
AND YOU GOT ONE OWNER THAT'S INTERESTED.
I JUST, YEAH, I JUST TALKED TO HIM AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I COULD MENTION IT TO YOU GUYS.
'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA HURT ANYBODY'S FEELINGS EITHER WAY.
LIKE, OH, THE COMMISSION DOESN'T WANT THAT BUILDING OR WHATEVER.
OR, OR TODD AND HIS WIFE DON'T WANT IT TO, TO BE RECOGNIZED, BUT THEY DO.
SO IN FACT, HE HAS IT INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU TALK ABOUT MAD'S, UM, UM, YEAH, HOWARD MAD.
HE HAS THE, UH, IT WAS THE FIRST ONE HE LIVED IN WITH HIS PARENTS AND THEY HAD THE ADOBE MM-HMM
TO PURCHASED AN ADOBE BUILDING ON HIS BLOCK.
NOT DONE BY D DAD, BUT IT'S FROM 64.
SO HE, HE THREW THAT OUT THERE AT ME TOO.
SO THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER BUILDING, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EARLY ADOBE BUILDINGS, IT'S ONE OF THE FEW MM-HMM
I'M ALMOST CERTAIN IT'S NOT BURN ADOBE'S MUD.
IT'S, I KNOW BECAUSE IT'S DETERIORATING.
UH, BUT THEY'VE DONE A PR IT HAD LONG OVERHANG, SO IT'S OKAY.
IS THIS A MEDU? IT'S NOT A MEDU.
HE, HE COULDN'T GIMME THE ARCHITECT, BUT, BUT HE, HE'S ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT'S KIND OF INTERESTED IN THIS SORT OF THING.
AND I THINK HE LOOKED AT PURCHASING A DOLE HOUSE, ACTUALLY, NOW I'M THINKING ABOUT IT.
SO THAT'S WHY HE, YOU KNOW, HE'S ALL ABOUT IT.
AND, AND WHERE IS THE, WHERE IS THIS LOOK? THIS WAS HIS, HE, IT'S, IT'S LIKE TWO DOORS DOWN FROM HIS HOUSE.
HE, HE, HE PURCHASED THAT AND, AND HE, I THINK HE LIKES THE OLDER BUILDINGS.
SO THEY LIKE THE OLDER BUILDINGS.
THEY, THEY FIX 'EM UP AND THEN THEY, THEY RENT THEM.
THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT ON HERE? IT'S ON, IT'S NOT ON THERE.
BUT I'M JUST SHARING, I THINK 'CAUSE THE, THE ADOBE BUILDING THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT THAT MANY AROUND.
NO, THAT'S, THAT MIGHT BE ONE THAT
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CAN LOOK INTO FURTHER AND FIND OUT IF IT REALLY IS TRULY ADOBE AND, AND 64, THIS IS LOCATED AGAIN WHERE? IT'D BE ON THE SAME STREET, I THINK.WELL, I DID A BROKEN ARROW BROKE.
OH, I KNOW WHICH, OH, I KNOW WHO OWNED THAT
OH, I THINK THAT WAS THE FORD GRANT HOUSE.
WAS NOT BUILT IN THE LATE FIFTIES.
HE THOUGHT IT WAS 64, BUT WELL, THAT'S CLOSE.
OH, THAT'S WHO I KNEW THOSE PEOPLE VERY WELL.
I JUST GOT TO THINKING ABOUT ANOTHER POSSIBILITY.
AND THIS ONE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SURVEYED, KAREN, SO YOU MIGHT KNOW IT, IT WAS A BENNY GONZALEZ CONSTRUCTION, I THINK IT WAS UPTOWN.
AND IS THAT THE LIBRARY? AND THAT'S THE ONLY DENNY GONZALEZ THAT'S UP HERE.
I THINK YOU DID THE LIBRARY THAT'S ALONG THE LIBRARY.
I THINK, I THINK WE LOOKED INTO IT.
SOMETHING WASN'T READY FOR, IT WASN'T OLD ENOUGH OR SOMETHING.
SO THAT MIGHT NOT BE, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
THAT'S WHY I DID THAT LIST LAST WEEK, BECAUSE, UH, THERE WAS ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE PLENTY OF NEWCOMERS.
AND, UH, I THINK IT'S VERY EXCITING.
BUT DEFINITELY, I, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT A DON WOODS HOME, OR MORE THAN ONE SHOULD BE LANDMARKED, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHEN BOBBY, WHEN DID YOUR DAD MOVE TO SEDONA? UM, 67.
SO, AND THAT'S WHEN HE STARTED DECIDING? AND HE WAS, HE DID, I DON'T THINK HE HAD A PROJECT, BUT, UH, HE, HE DID SOMETHING FOR PHIL MORRIS' FAMILY.
I THINK THAT WAS HIS PROJECT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY.
HE HAD A JOB OR TWO STILL IN PHOENIX.
BUT THOSE FIRST YEARS, YOU CAN SEE WERE LEAN.
WHY? SO 69 IS HIS FIRST HOUSE.
SO WE WERE HERE IN 67, SO HE WAS DOING SOME LONG DISTANCE STUFF IN PHOENIX STILL, AND JUST TRYING TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
I MEAN, SEDONA WASN'T A BIG DEAL THEN.
I MEAN, IT WAS, IT WAS JUST STARTING TO COME IN.
IT WAS A, A SMALL LITTLE TOWN.
BUT NO, IT, IT, UH, I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, AND YOU SAY YOU HAVE SOMEBODY INTERESTED AND THE ADOBE HOUSE TOO.
IT'S, WHAT I CAN DO IS IF, IF THIS IS THE PROCESS, I CAN GET A, SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE HOUSE AND TAKE, MAYBE TAKE A PICTURE OR TWO OF THE OTHER HOUSE, THE ADOBE HOUSE.
AND, UH, AND AS WE GO ALONG, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY TALKING MAYBE A COUPLE HOUSES, THERE'S A COUPLE PROJECTS A YEAR.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, SHOULD WE, UM, I'LL JUST BRING MORE INFORMATION AND GO FROM THERE.
OH, SHOULD, SHOULD WE GIVE BOBBY A, A FORM, UH, A SURVEY FORM, SINCE THESE PEOPLE ARE OKAY TO DO? YEAH.
AFTER YOU DO THE ONE WITH ME, YOU'LL KNOW WHAT TO DO.
AND YOU COULD JUST TAKE THE FORM AND FILL OUT THE FORM.
AND, UH, YOU CAN GO BY YOURSELF.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY I'D LIKE TO GO.
I, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THESE UP BECAUSE YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
I BELIEVE THAT CYNTHIA CAME UP WITH A, UM, A, UH, FILLABLE, UH, PDF FORM AS WELL.
SO WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHERE THAT IS.
UM, HOW WE GET, GET AHOLD OF IT.
THAT MAKES THINGS A LOT EASIER.
I CAN, I CAN ACTUALLY CHECK THE WEBSITE TO SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN GRAB.
AND TO HAVE SOMEBODY INTERESTED RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY FANTASTIC.
WELL, AND AND YOUR DAD, I WAS LIKE,
I MEAN, HE REALLY WAS DON WOODS.
I MEAN, IT WAS, IT WAS A SPECIAL THING.
UM, I DUNNO IF ANYONE ELSE CAME WITH, WITH ANYTHING.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE THOUGHTS, BUT, UH, HAPPY TO, TO LET KAREN OR, OR JACK, UH, IF YOU CAME WITH ANY PROPERTIES YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER, OR THOUGHTS YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT.
UH, I, I THINK UNFORTUNATELY STEVE ISN'T HERE.
KAREN, DID YOU THINK OF ANY IN THE WELL, NO.
I WAS JUST DISAPPOINTED ABOUT THE CEMETERY.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU MIND PUTTING A PLAQUE WITH THE DATE OF WHICH THERE IS NO DATE? I, I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT, WELL, IT'S UPSET ON THAT ONE'S.
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IT'S THE OWNER'S DECISION.THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
THAT, THAT'S, IS THAT ONE ON, ON PINE? YEAH.
IT'S HARD TO FIND IT FROM THE HIGHWAY.
THEY HAVE TO GO PAST MORGAN AND THEN TWO BLOCKS TOGETHER.
UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE, UH, I JUST KIND OF WANNA THROW OUT ONE.
I HAVEN'T HAD DIRECT CONVERSATIONS, BUT, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, UH, ELIGIBILITY WOULD BE ON THIS BUILDING, BUT THE BUILDING THAT HOUSES NICK'S RESTAURANT, APPARENTLY THE NEW OWNERS ARE, ARE INTERESTED IN THE HISTORY OF THAT.
AND, UM, PURSUING, UH, FINDING OUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, I'VE NOT HAD THE DIRECT CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF THAT BUILDING.
IT'S, IT'S NOT IN THE 2014 SURVEY.
WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, IT WAS THERE WHEN WE MOVED TO OWNER.
SO 60? YEAH, IT GOES WAY BACK SEVEN.
I WAS GONNA SAY IT WAS A, IT WAS DIFFERENT.
I DON'T, IT'S, IT'S OWNED BY A FELLOW, UH, AND HIS WIFE FROM LOUISIANA.
THE OTHER, THE, HIS NAME IS JONATHAN BORK, I BELIEVE.
AND, UH, AND THE FOOD ACTUALLY IS ACTUALLY GONE UP A STEP.
IT'S REALLY GOOD BECAUSE WHEN NICK SOLD, HE SOLD IT TO THIS COUPLE FROM THE MIDDLE EAST.
BUT, SO THEY SAID, OKAY, I GOTTA GO THERE NOW.
UM, WELL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE JUST BECAUSE THAT'S DEFINITELY, SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN FOLLOW UP ON, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW ABOUT THAT.
UH, THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
UM, AND, AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANYBODY KNOWS THAT, A REASON WHY IT SHOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE PURSUED A LITTLE BIT TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT IT.
UH, THE OTHER ONE THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT, UH, AND THIS ISN'T A BUSINESS, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A HOME OR ANYTHING, BUT IT IS A STRUCTURE.
UM, WHAT ABOUT MIDGLEY BRIDGE? IT'S OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS INSIDE CITY LIMITS.
I WAS THINKING IT WAS INSIDE CITY LIMITS.
I WISH WE COULD, DANG IT'S COUNTY.
GOSH, I THOUGHT IT WAS INSIDE CITY LIMITS.
AND THAT'S A WONDERFUL, I WISH THAT IT COULD BE SOMEHOW LANDMARKED BECAUSE IT'S GOT THE FABULOUS HISTORY ON THESE, ON THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, BECAUSE THEY GENERALLY GET MADE OVER QUITE A BIT OVER THE YEARS.
WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT? IT'S TOUGH.
UH, OFTENTIMES THEY, THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR LANDMARKING BECAUSE THEY, THEY GET CHANGED SO, SO MUCH.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE US TO SEE IF WE CAN, UH, THIS IS PARTLY BECAUSE WE GOT BURNED, UH, ON ONE OF THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT I'VE BEEN A PART OF LANDMARKING, UH, WHERE IMMEDIATELY THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT RECOGNITION, UH, ON A RESIDENCE.
UM, AND, AND SO IT MAKES ME SAY, WELL, WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT, AND THE REASON THEY DIDN'T WANT IT WAS 'CAUSE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY DIDN'T WANNA BUG THEIR NEIGHBORS WITH IT.
UM, AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, PART OF ME THINKS, YOU KNOW, WE OUGHT TO BE LOOKING MORE AT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND AND DISTRICTS ANYWAY, PLACES WHERE AS WE PUBLICIZE THESE THINGS, PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY GO AND SEE THEM, UH, AND ARE ENCOURAGED TO GO AND SEE THEM.
I JUST GOT TO THINKING ABOUT, UH, A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT IS CLOSE TO COMMERCIAL.
AND IT'S THE, THE HOUSE OF THE SEVEN ARCHES.
I'M NOT SURE IT'S ELIGIBLE YET.
I, I I DON'T THINK IT'S ELIGIBLE JUST YET.
I DON'T THINK IT'S AT THAT 50 YEAR THRESHOLD.
IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S CLOSE.
IF IT'S CLOSE, WE DON'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 50 YEARS.
SO, BUT, AND I THINK ONCE, I MEAN, ONCE IT'S ELIGIBLE, I THINK TERRY WOULD, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONVERSATION WITH HER.
I, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK SHE'D BE OPEN TO IT.
'CAUSE I HAVE TALKED TO HER 'CAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS OLD ENOUGH A WHILE BACK, AND IT'S NOT.
AND OF COURSE A LOT OF MORE DETAIL.
'CAUSE SHE THINKS ONE HISTORY AND I KNOW ANOTHER HISTORY ABOUT IT.
BUT DEFINITELY I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT LAND.
AND IT MIGHT BE NOW, I WAS GONNA SAY, WE NEED TO GO, IT'S GONNA BE CLOSE.
IT'S, I THOUGHT IT WAS 76 OR 77, BUT I'M NOT SURE.
YEAH, I KNOW IT WAS NOT THERE, YOU KNOW, EARLIER THAN THE SEVENTIES.
WELL, SEE, WE RAN INTO THIS CONVERSATION WITH 56 LINKS.
AND THE THING THAT PUSHED IT OVER INTO A LANDMARK IS THE FACT THAT, UM, THE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY OF THIS THING, PLUS THE FACT, UH, THAT IS SO
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UNIQUE.UH, SO AGE ALONE IS, IS NOT REALLY THAT BIG AN ISSUE IF IT'S CLOSE.
NOW YOU ARE AWARE THE KIVA HOUSE IS FOR SALE? I AM.
THEY'RE ASKING THEM, UM, WHAT, 1.2 MILLION? MM-HMM
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'LL JUST DO THIS WALK UP.
DO WHY, WHY DON'T I JUST DO THIS THEN YOU CAN HEAR ME.
UM, WHY I, I, WHY DON'T WE DO CHECK ON THE HOUSE OF THE SEVEN GABLES
BUT WHY DON'T YOU CHECK? BECAUSE WE CAN GO, YOU CAN GO ONLINE TO THE COUNTY RECORDS WHEN IT WAS BUILT.
BECAUSE I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE DEVILMENT TWINS LIVED THERE.
AND AT ONE TIME, LUCILLE BALL'S BROTHER.
WELL, I REMEMBER SOME OF THE OLD TIMERS SAYING, NO, OUR KIDS USED TO PLAY WITH HIS KIDS AND LUCILLE.
AND SHE WOULD COME ONCE IN A WHILE TO VISIT, BUT NEVER LIVED THERE.
THAT WAS, ISN'T THAT HER BABY GRANDMOTHER? IT'S IN IT.
I DIDN'T KNOW THEM WELL ENOUGH TO YEAH.
BUT, UM, YEAH, INTERESTING HOUSE, INTERESTING HISTORY FOR SURE.
AND THERE'S A LITTLE WONDERFUL LITTLE HOUSE THAT SITS UP BEHIND HILLSIDE THAT I WANTED TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT BACK IN 1991.
IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE TRACT HOME.
IT'S UP ABOVE HILLSIDE AND ONE OF THOSE ROADS THAT GOES UP.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, WHETHER IT'S, WE, WE NEVER, THE CURTAINS WERE ALWAYS DRAWN.
UH, IT LOOKS ALMOST ABANDONED, BUT I KNOW IT'S OLD ENOUGH.
BUT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO I THOUGHT MAYBE WHEN WE DO OUR RUN AROUND IN THE VAN, WE COULD, MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE.
I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS IT, DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
I'D LOVE TO FIND OUT SOMETHING.
OH, WE WOULD'VE TO PASS RIGHT THROUGH THERE.
IS THAT THE GREEN ONE? IT'S, IT'S, NO, IT'S NOT THE ONE.
I'M, IT'S ONE SITS RIGHT THERE ON THE EDGE.
IT'S GOT KIND OF A CORAL, MAYBE SOME GREEN, BUT IT'S JUST A LITTLE TRACKED HOME LOOKING.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF IT.
IT MAY BE ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS HISTORICALLY, BUT I'D SURE LIKE TO FIND OUT MM-HMM
ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION AT THE MOMENT? WELL, I WAS JUST WONDERING, THE ELKS LODGE, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THE NATIONAL GENERALLY DOESN'T, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU BROUGHT THAT UP LAST TIME AND I, I, UH, SHOULD BE SEEN, UH, SOMEBODY FROM ELKS TOMORROW.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL START THE CONVERSATION WITH THEM TOMORROW.
'CAUSE I, 'CAUSE I AM AN ELK AND, UH, I, BECAUSE OF MY HUSBAND, I'M, UH, ELK, WIDOW OF AN ELK.
I'M SORRY YOU BROUGHT THAT UP LAST TIME.
AND I, I, UM, YEAH, I, I'D LOVE TO SEE, I I SHOULD HAVE A MEETING THIS WEEK WHERE I'LL SEE THEM.
SO, I MEAN, THE REASON I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT IS IT'S NOT CHANGED.
IT'S NEVER BEEN ADDED ON TO OR DONE.
IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS MM-HMM
I THINK ABOUT WHAT IT'S ON THE THING IT'S ON, IT WAS 64 OR 70.
THAT'S, AND UM, THEY USED A LOT OF THAT IN THE SEVENTIES.
THAT'S WHAT PUT, NO, I'M PRETTY 60 SIXTIES UHHUH.
I DON'T HAVE MY LITTLE THING WITH ME, BUT YEAH, IT, AND I WENT, OH, WOW.
AND, UH, I, I'D LOVE TO, IF THERE'S ANY WAY, AND I KNOW, I KNOW.
I MEAN, THE COMPLICATING FACTOR IS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE, THE, UH, NATIONAL AND THAT'S, THEY WOULDN'T, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE A SAY LOCALLY.
AND THAT WOULD WOULD BE THE ELKS OR ALL MM-HMM
BECAUSE ANY CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD WITH THEM ABOUT THE CEMETERY, THEY HAVE TO RUN IT ALL THE WAY UP TO CHICAGO.
BUT WE CAN START THE DISCUSSION, SEE IF THEY'D LIKE, YEAH.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, IT'S SO PERFECT.
IF WE CAN'T GET SOMETHING LANDMARKED THIS YEAR, I WANNA KNOW WHY
UM, I AM, I FOUND THE, UH, FILLABLE APPLICATION.
UH, IT IS NOT ONLINE, SO I WILL SEND IT TO YOU ALL.
IN FACT, I'M TRYING TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN I GOT A MESSAGE BACK TO SAY THAT YOU MIGHT NOT OPEN IT THE WAY I SEND IT.
NOT, MAY NOT BE ABLE TO OPEN IT THE WAY I SENT IT, SO I'M GONNA TRY IT AGAIN.
UM, ALSO, I WOULD, UH, REMIND, UH, THE COMMISSION THAT OUR FISCAL
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YEAR IS UP JUNE 30TH.SO THE MONEY AND THE BUDGET FOR LANDMARKING OF THIS BUDGET YEAR IS DONE JUNE 30TH.
SO, UM, NOT TO
IS THERE SOME, I MAY, I MAY BE JUMPING TOO FAR TO GET.
SO IT GOES EVERY SIX MONTHS, OR IS IT JUNE TO JUNE IS OUR FISCAL JUNE 30.
SO, UH, JULY 1ST TO JUNE 30TH IS THE FISCAL YEAR.
SO YOU WOULD BE GUIDING US, OR OUR NEW FELLOW WOULD BE GUIDING US ON HOW TO GET AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED PRIOR TO, UH, IN FACT, WE, YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR THE LAST DISCUSSION OF THAT, BUT YES.
UM, THOSE MONIES HAVE ALREADY BEEN PUT INTO THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 26.
UM, AND, UH, THE BUDGET PROCESS IS CONTINUING RIGHT NOW.
IN APRIL, I'LL BE IN FRONT OF, UH, SITTING AT THIS TABLE, UH, IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THOSE ITEMS. GREAT.
UH, DISCUSSION OF THE LANDMARK PROPERTIES TOUR.
UM, I THINK, UH, WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS, IS, UH, TRYING TO COME UP WITH A TOUR WHERE EITHER, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO SWING BY ALL OF 'EM, UH, OR MAYBE SWING BY, YOU KNOW, BREAK THE CITY IN HALF FROM THE Y AND YOU KNOW, DO IT ACROSS TWO TOURS THAT THE LOGISTICS OF THAT GETS A LITTLE HARDER WITH NOTICES AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT, UH, SO MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE ONE TOUR, IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT A TIME AND WAY TO DO IT WHERE WE'RE NOT STUCK IN TRAFFIC LIKE WE WOULD'VE ENCOUNTERED TODAY.
IT WAS BRUTAL, BUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF SWING BY AND, AND ACQUAINT ALL OF THE, THE COMMISSION WITH THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE LANDMARKED TO DATE, BUT ALSO TO BE ABLE TO HAVE STAFF AND COMMISSION GET EYES ON THOSE BUILDINGS.
UH, NOBODY'S OFFICIALLY KIND OF LOOKED AT 'EM IN A LONG TIME AND, AND, YOU KNOW, CHECK ON CONDITIONS, THAT KIND OF THING.
THERE'S, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE GASAWAY HOUSE.
THAT'S THE ONE I'M SCARED ABOUT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN WE CAN, I, WE, WE CAN GET TO IT.
BUT IT'S NOT, THE OWNER WILL DRIVEWAY, THE OWNER WILL, UH, WORK WITH US ON THAT.
HE, HE'S LET ME KNOW THAT IN THE PAST.
BUT I'M, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT ONE.
THAT ONE'S MY BIG CONCERN RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN DOC WOODCOCK'S HOUSE.
SO I, I, MY PREFERENCE PERSONALLY WOULD BE TO TRY TO DO IT ALL IN ONE GO, EVEN IF IT'S A LONGER AFTERNOON.
UM, BUT, UM, JUST 'CAUSE THE LOGISTICS OF, OF TRYING TO WORK THAT OUT ACROSS A COUPLE MEETINGS WOULD BE TOUGH.
I MEAN, UH, I THINK WE CAN DO IN A COUPLE, I THINK WE COULD DO IT IN A COUPLE HOURS, I THINK A COUPLE HOURS.
BECAUSE YOU JUST WOULDN'T STOP AND WALK AROUND.
I DON'T EVEN THINK WE NECESSARILY HAVE TO GET, WE JUST KIND OF STOP IN FRONT AND SAY THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
THIS IS EXACTLY, UH, HERE'S WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT IT FROM THE LAST TIME IT WAS SURVEYED.
LET'S, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE, UH, THE LARSON PROPERTY.
UM, THAT'S UP AT, UM, AIRPORT AND, UH, AND, UH, 89 A, IT'S ON THE CORNER.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DIDN'T YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROUND THE YEAH, WHAT THE ROUND BUILDING.
THE OWNERS DIDN'T, WELL THEY DIDN'T WANT, THEY, WE WERE NOT WELCOME.
WELL, SO THAT WAS WHY FOR MY CONCERN, I'D LOVE TO DO IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THE LARSONS OWNED IT, BUT MY GUESS IS I DON'T THINK BOB WANTED IT.
NO, IT WAS, WAS DEFINITELY, DON'T YOU DARE I MEAN, NOT THREATS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT WAS MADE VERY CLEAR.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO APPROACH IT AGAIN.
'CAUSE IT'S A WONDERFUL BUILDING.
UM, AGAIN, I SHOULD BE SEEING THOSE OWNERS THIS WEEK.
I COULD START THAT DISCUSSION.
UM, DOES THE CITY HAVE A VAN? WOULD WE HAVE TO RENT A VAN FROM ONE OF THE TOUR COMPANIES? SO, UM, BEFORE I WAS ABLE TO, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DID LAST TIME WAS WE WERE, WELL I WAS ABLE TO ACQUIRE A CITY BUS THE LAST TIME.
UH, BUT THAT WAS, UH, AT A POINT WHERE THE TRANSIT SYSTEM WAS JUST GETTING UP AND, AND STARTED.
SO, BUT IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT I CAN DISCUSS WITH OUR TRANSIT.
UH, UH, ROBERT HAS LEFT, BUT WE HAVE HIRED A NEW, UH, TRANSIT
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MANAGER.SO I HAVE NOT MET HER YET, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN BROACH, UH, BROACH THAT SUBJECT WITH HER.
UH, AND TALKED TO, UM, THE TRANSIT, UM, COMPANY THAT WE HIRED TO RUN THAT.
UM, WE HAVE, INCLUDING THE LINKS HOUSE AND, UH, THE CHAPEL TALK HOCKEY, WE HAVE 22 LANDMARKS, SO MM-HMM
THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'D WANNA KIND OF PUT
AND CAN IT BE DONE? UH, I MEAN, KEEPING IN MIND THAT AT LEAST TWO PROPERTIES ARE GONNA ACCOUNT FOR FIVE, FIVE LANDMARK BUILDINGS.
AND MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO GO TO JORDAN HISTORICAL PARK.
NO, I MEAN, HONESTLY, UH, UM, THERE'S, I LITERALLY HAVE EYES ON IT EVERY DAY,
UM, BUT UH, YOU KNOW, AND THE RANGER STATION IS MAYBE ONE WE DON'T NEED TO PUT EYES ON EITHER 'CAUSE THERE'S EYES ON IT ALL THE TIME.
BETWEEN THOSE TWO, THAT'S FIVE OF THE LANDMARK BUILDINGS.
SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING DOWN TO 17 THEN.
AND IF WE DIDN'T NEED TO, UH, REVISIT THE NEWEST ONES, I'M, YEAH.
I'M NOT SURE WE NEED TO VISIT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CHAPEL.
FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING WERE WRONG WITH THAT, WE'D KNOW
I THINK WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THE CHAPEL.
UM, BUT, UH, SO WE CAN, UH, WE CAN, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WHY DON'T WE CONTINUE A CONVERSATION.
AND, AND WE CAN KIND OF, AND, UM, IN BETWEEN THE THREE OF US KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT A PATH COULD BE AND MM-HMM
WE, WE PROBABLY WANNA WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE BUSY SEASON DIES DOWN ANYWAY.
BECAUSE I DROVE IN FROM PHOENIX, UH, EARLY AFTERNOON TODAY, AND IT WAS BACKED UP AT THE Y BUT IT WASN'T BACKED UP UP AIRPORT ROAD.
UH, BUT WHEN I CAME HERE, JUST, WHAT WAS THAT? AN HOUR, HOUR, 15 MINUTES LATER IT WAS BACKED UP ALL THE WAY PAST AIRPORT ROAD.
SO LIKE THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS WHEN I CAME UP TO YEAH.
UM, WE'VE GOT, UH, SPRING BREAK, UH, WE'VE GOT SPRING TRAINING.
WE'VE GOT, UH, ALL THE, UM, SNOWBIRDS HEADING AROUND THE STATE BEFORE THEY LEAVE.
UM, AND GENERALLY IT, IT DIES DOWN A WHOLE LOT AFTER MAY, UH, THE MIDDLE OF MAY.
SO MAYBE THAT WOULD BE, AND THE THOUGHT IS THAT, UM, BEFORE WE TOOK A, I THINK IT WAS ONE OF OUR ACTUAL CITY BUSES, UM, WE DO HAVE MICRO TRANSIT BUSES NOW THAT I BELIEVE HOLD UP TO 13 PEOPLE.
THAT'S, SO THAT SHOULD BE MORE THAN ASK IF YOU HAD MORE THAN FINE FOR OUR SITUATION.
DO THEY HAVE MICROPHONES IN THEM? I DUNNO.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE, UH, IF THE BUS DRIVER HAS ACCESS TO THAT.
SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN FIND OUT AS WELL.
IT WOULD BE REAL HELPFUL BECAUSE IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE FIVE OF US PLUS STAFF, UH, IT WOULD BE BEST BECAUSE HERE ON THE RIGHT IS YOU NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY WITH THE MICROPHONE.
UM, WE HAD TROUBLE NEGOTIATING THE BUS THE LAST TIME WHEN WE WERE IN UPTOWN.
IT WAS, BUT I THINK WE WOULDN'T DO THE TOUR THE SAME WAY.
'CAUSE THAT WAS LOOKING AT POTENTIAL LANDMARK BUILDINGS AND POTENTIAL DISTRICTS TOO, VERSUS, UM, WELL, I KNOW JANINE POINTED OUT A LOT OF STUFF THAT HAD BEEN ON THE SURVEY.
SO, AND, AND, AND I THINK IN THIS CASE WE'D BE LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL LANDMARK BUILDING SO WE COULD KIND OF ZIP THROUGH SOME OF THAT.
WITHOUT ENCOUNTERING SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES, BECAUSE THAT WAS, YEAH.
WHO WOULD BE DRIVING? WOULD WE HAVE A BUS DRIVER? I CAN DRIVE
UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO, UM, BASICALLY HIRE ONE OF THEIR DRIVERS TO DRIVE US.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? I, WE'LL KEEP, WE'LL KEEP WORKING THERE.
AND THEN, UM, 5G DISCUSSION OF THE RANGER STATION, PARK AND COUNCIL DIRECTION.
I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO STAFF
WELL, I WANTED, UH, TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA IN CASE, UM, ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, CHAIRMAN, UH, MYERS WAS THERE, UH, AT THE CITY COUNCIL.
IF, IF ANYBODY ELSE HAD FOLLOWED ALONG, AND IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT, UH, THAT TOPIC, I KNOW THAT, UH, IT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO THE COMMISSIONER'S HEARTS HERE.
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I GUESS I CAN GIVE YOU, UH, A GENERAL ROUNDUP OF, OF THE DISCUSSION.AND, UH, IT'S CENTERED AROUND WHETHER OR NOT TO, UH, INSTALL MECHANICAL SYSTEMS TO CONDITION THE AIR WITHIN THE BARN, SO THE HEAT AND TO COOL.
UM, AND IF THAT WERE DONE, WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT WOULD BE.
AND THAT IS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO THEN MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ENERGY CODE, WHICH DOES HAVE SOME ALLOWANCES FOR HISTORIC BUILDINGS, BUT NOT FULL AND COMPLETE.
SO YOU'D BASICALLY BE LOOKING AT, UM, INSULATING THE BUILDING.
UM, AND ONCE YOU INSULATE IT, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH LOOKING AT, UM, UH, DRYWALL, AT LEAST IN THE WALLS, BECAUSE YOU'RE EITHER GONNA HAVE FIBERGLASS WITH CRAFT PAPER, WHICH IS FLAMMABLE, SO IT DOES NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING COVERING IT.
OR IT'D BE SPRAY FOAM, WHICH AGAIN, IS SOME IS FLAMMABLE, SOME IS NOT.
AND THERE'S A SPRAY YOU CAN SPRAY OVER IT.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT THE BEST OF LOOKS.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WERE LOOKING AT, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF INSTALLING DRYWALL, UH, AND TAKING AWAY THE LOOK OF A BARN.
WELL, I'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CER CERTIFICATION.
THE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT IT, BECAUSE IT'S A HISTORIC PROPERTY, SO NOT, NOT ON THE INTERIOR.
OH, THAT'S, SO I WAS, I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT'S SO OPEN THAT YOU CAN SEE IT.
THE PROBLEM IS, AS I REMEMBER, IS THAT THE, UM, THE PRESENCE OF THE EXTERIOR, UM, STRUCTURES, IF YOU WILL, UH, AND USUALLY ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, HVAC, UM, THAT WOULD HAVE A PRESENCE THAT WE DON'T WANT.
ONE THING THAT DID COME UP, AND AS LONG AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, STEVE, IS, UH, POLISHING THE FLOORS.
UH, THE THING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT AND WAS FROM THE BEGINNING IS THAT THERE ARE VERY MODEST GRADE SEPARATIONS, UH, WITH THE SLABS IN THAT BARN.
AND POLISHING THE FLOOR IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA TO COMPLY WITH A DA MM-HMM
AND IT WOULDN'T HARM THE STATUS.
UM, UH, THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SEALERS, SOME WHICH MAY BE, UM, LESS GLOSSY THAN OTHERS.
SO YOU CAN STILL RETAIN, MAYBE NOT EXACT, BUT YOU KNOW, MORE, MORE OF A, UH, THE ORIGINAL LOOK IF YOU WILL, UH, IF YOU CHOOSE PROPERLY ON THOSE SEALERS.
AND, UM, AND THE, UM, THE FINISH I THINK WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE THAN FOR OTHER KINDS OF ACTIVITIES IN THE BARN.
YOU KNOW, UH, PEOPLE IN NORTHERN ARIZONA LOVE TO BARN DANCE AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD SURFACE TO DO IT ON.
SO, YOU KNOW, SO THAT OPENS UP SOME NEW POSSIBILITIES AS WELL.
AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT, AT THAT MEETING WAS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT IT TO BE USED, WE WANT THE BUILDINGS TO BE USED.
SO THERE ARE GOING TO BE EVENTS WHICH PEOPLE MAY SPILL DRINKS OR WHATEVER, AND IT'S, IT'D BE A LOT EASIER, MORE CLEANLY, UM, UM, MORE HYGIENIC, UH, TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CLEANED UP EASIER.
'CAUSE YOU WERE MENTIONING, UH, PRODUCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT ABOUT PRODUCE MARKET OR, YOU KNOW, SURE.
ECOMMERCE MARKET KIND OF THING, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU JUST OPEN THE GARAGE DOORS AND YEAH.
YEAH, THAT'D BE A GREAT PLACE FOR THAT FOR SURE.
AND YOU KNOW, SOME, I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SEE FOR SURE, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THESE TENT CITIES THAT GO UP ON EVERY WEEKEND, OVER THE WEEKEND OUT IN PARKING LOTS AND STUFF.
AND IF WE COULD ELIMINATE ONE OF THOSE AND HAVE THOSE HELD OVER AT THE RANGER STATION, IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE THERE.
SO THE, THE CULMINATION OF THAT WAS THAT, UM, COUNCIL, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS UNANIMOUS, BUT I THINK, UH, DEFINITELY THE MAJORITY, UM, TALKED ABOUT NOT PUTTING IN MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT THIS TIME.
UM, TAKING A YEAR OR TWO TO, UM, TO SEE WHAT THE FEEDBACK IS AND HOW MUCH USE IT IS IT WOULD BE GETTING THROUGHOUT THE HEAT OF THE SUMMER AND THE COLD OF THE WINTER AND, AND, UH, THEN MAKING A BETTER DETERMINATION, UH, FURTHER ON DOWN THE
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LINE IN REGARD TO THAT.WELL, THE OTHER THOUGHT I HAD WAS IT HAS ELECTRICITY TO IT, THERE'S LIGHTS.
YOU COULD PLUG IN SOME FANS TO CIRCULATE THE AIR.
NO, IT'S NOT AIR CONDITIONING BUT'S FANS.
AND I DO BELIEVE THAT IS THE INTENT OF THE DESIGN.
IF WE WERE NOT GONNA, UM, CONDITION THE BUILDING THAT YES, THERE WOULD BE SOME LARGER FANS IN THE CEILING TO, TO CIRCULATE THE AIR.
I SEE JUST SO MANY POSSIBILITIES.
EVEN IF IT DOESN'T GET SEALED UP, I THINK IT'S GOT, SO YES.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING FEED FEEDBACK.
I JUST, ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? I, I WANTED TO GIVE THE, THE COMMISSION AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THAT IF THEY WANTED TO.
I'M SORRY, HAS IT, HAS IT ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON? SO IT WAS DIRECTION GIVEN, SO IT WASN'T REALLY A VOTE PER SE.
UM, BUT PUBLIC WORKS WAS LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON THAT AND WHICH WAY TO GO, SO OKAY.
WELL, I BELIEVE THAT ID OF A SENSE OF PLACE CAME UP AND, UH, THIS COMMISSION IS VERY INTERESTED IN MAINTAINING THAT, SO, YES.
FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. OUR NEXT MEETING IS MONDAY, APRIL 14TH, UM, AT 4:00 PM UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION AND ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF, UH, THE, THE BUDGET TIMING THAT, UH, THAT STEVE BROUGHT UP.
IF, IF WE COULD GET SOME INFORMATION, BOBBY, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, I'LL WORK THE, THE ONES, UH, I'VE, I'VE BEEN MADE AWARE OF, UH, AND, UM, SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD GET ANYTHING DONE BEFORE THE BUDGET YEAR RUNS OUT, BUT CERTAINLY, UH, WE'LL GET 'EM IN THE HOPPER.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THE SAME WORD.
WHERE ARE WE ON THIS
WE WOULD HAVE SOME, UH, PLANS MM-HMM
THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT AFTER THAT BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THIS, WE'RE BASICALLY STARTING FROM SCRATCH ON SOME OF THESE THINGS WE'RE, AND WE'RE GETTING SO THAT THEY'RE READY TO JUMP ON.
FROM SENATOR TO, AND, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE IMPORTANT, IT'S LESS IMPORTANT PROBABLY, THAT WE GET SOMETHING RUSHED AND DONE BY JUNE 30TH MM-HMM
THAN IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE, UH, SHOW WE'RE GETTING THINGS DONE.
AND EVEN IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE IN CALENDAR 25, UH, EVEN IF NOT FISCAL 25, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD STEP FORWARD.
UM, AND THIS, YOU KNOW, THE CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD TODAY, I THINK LINES US UP TO, TO BE ABLE TO, TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND I, I KNOW IT, DONNA'S GONNA SAY THIS IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, SO I CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT NOW, BUT NO, I WAS
AND YOU'VE ALREADY DONE TWO FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.
WERE THEY IN FFY 25? I'M NOT QUITE SURE OF THAT.
I MEAN, I WAS THINKING IT WAS LIKE MAY, BUT I COULD BE WRONG.
I THOUGHT IT WAS, BUT I COULD BE WRONG.
'CAUSE WE GOTTA WAIT UNTIL TRUTH.
WELL, I'M, WE'RE NOT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE REALLY GONNA BE READY ANYWAY.
I MEAN, IT'S MARCH NOW AND YEAH.
NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT, KAREN.
LIKE, LET, LET'S, UH, LET'S MOVE, LET'S, LET'S NOT LET IT SIT.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT JUNE 30TH DATE CAN, YOU KNOW, LET, LET'S NOT, UH, FALL ALL OVER OURSELVES TO HIT THAT BECAUSE LET'S GET IT RIGHT.
LET'S GET IT RIGHT RATHER THAN GET IT RUSHED.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU INDICATING YOU WANNA CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS IN ITEM E ABOUT THE POSSIBLE LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS? YES.
SORRY, BOBBY, WERE YOU GONNA SAY SOMETHING? YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
UH, ONE THING KEEP IN MIND, YOU ARE ON FUTURE AGENDA DATES AND ITEMS. YES.
I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE BALL ROLLING ON AN ADDITION TO THE, UM, THE, UM, YEAH.
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UM, ORDINANCE MM-HMMAND I'D LIKE TO GET SOMETHING PUT IN AN ADDITION ON THE ORDINANCE, WHICH WAS OMITTED WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'VE SPOKEN WITH STEVE ABOUT, AND STEVE KNOWS ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S THE ONE WHERE I, WE ARE, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE ORDINANCE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A LANDMARK ON A SITE, LIKE WE HAVE THE SITE MM-HMM
BUT WE CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT, AND I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT LANGUAGE AND I DON'T, I, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT OR, OR LOOK INTO WHAT SHOULD I DO ABOUT THAT.
UH, SO, UM, AT FIRST, IF, IF YOU COULD NOW JUST CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO I, I HAVE A BETTER AGENDA ITEM.
WHAT, WHAT WE NEED TO ADD TO THE ORDINANCE, UH, WHICH IS RULES WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THAT WAS OMITTED WHEN I WROTE IT, UH, ABOUT LANDMARKING A SITE.
SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THERE'S SEVERAL PLACES THAT ARE SITES THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE, BUT WE'D LIKE TO, THAT'S NOT LISTED.
SO THE PROPERTY ITSELF AND NOT THE PROPERTY WOULD BE A, A SITE LANDMARK.
AND THAT WE NEED TO PUT THAT IN AS LANGUAGE INTO, AND I ASSUME WE'D HAVE TO TALK TO YOU OR THE ATTORNEY TO FIND OUT THE CORRECT LANGUAGE TO USE, BUT I BELIEVE IT NEEDS TO BE ADDED.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, UM, THAT WE DO HAVE SOME SITES WHICH HAVE, UM, HISTORIC, UH, WELL STRUCTURES ON THEM THAT AREN'T HOUSES OR BUILDINGS OR SUCH.
AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT THAT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT JUST, OH, WHAT'S HIS NAME? THE FAMOUS ARTIST? UM, MAX, ER MAX.
AND EVEN THAT I DROVE BY AND WENT, THAT'S STILL KIND OF, BUT IT'S A SITE.
AND WE, WE SEEM TO KNOW THE OWNER HAS BEEN QUITE EXCITED TO GET THAT, BUT WE CAN'T PUT THAT KIND OF A LANDMARK UP WITHOUT ADDING IT TO THE ORDINANCE.
IT HAS TO BE ANOTHER, UH, ADDED.
BECAUSE I, I, AND THAT'S, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
I WANNA MAKE SURE I AGENDIZE THAT PROPERLY.
UM, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT THE COMMISSION HAS IN, IN THE PAST LOOKED AT, UM, LANDMARKING.
NOW YOU MENTIONED THE WALL AT MAX ERNST'S PLACE, LANDMARKING, OTHER THINGS SUCH AS, UM, UH, A WATER WHEEL OR, UM, PART OF THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM THAT STILL MIGHT BE AROUND.
SO SOME OF THOSE ARE ON THE, UM, LIST THAT HAVE BEEN LA LANDMARK, BUT THEY'VE OWNED MM-HMM.
AND THOSE WOULD BE SITES MM-HMM
AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER PLACES THAT I'VE COME ACROSS THAT THIS USED TO BE HERE AND IT WOULD LIKE TO, THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT.
UH, THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE.
AND THAT'S WHEN I FOUND OUT, OOPS, WE CAN'T, BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT OKAY.
I'LL, I'LL PUT THAT, UM, IF, IF YOU, IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS MORE THE NEXT TIME, I CAN AGENDIZE THAT.
OTHERWISE I CAN JUST MOVE FORWARD ON THE STAFF SIDE OF THINGS.
UM, TO SEE, I THINK WE DO MM-HMM
AND I CAN ALSO GET AN INTERPRETATION FROM KURT.
I I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, IF WE COULD GET AN INTERPRETATION FROM KURT ON, ON THAT WHOLE QUESTION, WHETHER OR NOT WE TRULY HAVE TO.
YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER FEENEY JUST BROUGHT UP, UH, UH, TO ME THE OB DITCH MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, IS THAT ALREADY A SITE THAT, DO WE HAVE WE MM-HMM
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING, SO.
I THINK IT'S WORTH, UH, ASKING IT'S NOT LANDMARKED AS A SITE.
IT HAS BEEN PUT ON, I BELIEVE IT'S IN SOME OF OUR SURVEYS.
WHAT THE OMB DITCH? NO, IT'S A LANDMARK.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PLAQUE IS, BUT IT'S LANDMARK.
WELL THEN I, THIS PHYSICALLY, THERE'S A DITCH THERE THOUGH, RIGHT.
ON A NATIONAL BASIS, IF YOU CONSIDER, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CIVIL WAR BATTLEFIELDS MM-HMM
UM, THAT THOSE ARE IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT SEE A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, SOME CHANGES IN THE, IN THE TERRAIN OF THESE THINGS, BUT THEY'RE JUST SITES, THAT'S ALL.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED THE CLARIFICATION BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A THOUGHT THAT MAYBE THERE WAS A HISTORIC BUILDING HERE.
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IT WAS DEMOLISHED, SOMEONE ELSE BUILT SOMETHING NEW, BUT WE STILL WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT HERE'S WHERE SOMETHING WAS.AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED THE, THE CLARIFICATION.
I HAVE A PLACE THAT I, IT'S MOST SAD POINTS, BUT, UH, USED TO BE THE, UH, OM OMB, THE NOT ONE B DITCH THE, UH, MOTEL UP, JUST GOING NORTH OUT TOWN.
I WORKED SO HARD WITH THAT FAMILY TO TRY AND GET IT LANDMARKED.
BUT IT'S WHERE THE PURDY PRETTYMAN? NO, NO, IT'S THE, THE PRETTYMAN, I THINK, UH, ACROSS FROM LOMA.
UH, THAT I'D LIKE TO DO A SITE THERE BECAUSE THAT HOTEL GOES WAY BACK.
AND HE USED TO DO WITH THE GUESTS, HE DID THE COLORADO RIVER SHOW, THE FILM OF IT.
WHEN I, WHEN WE NEED TO HOLD THIS TO FUTURE MEETING DATES, PLEASE.
AGENDA ITEMS. WELL, WELL, IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE IZING AND I, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET A CLARIFICATION OF THE DIRECTION THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER STUACK WAS, UH, WAS GIVING ME.
ANYTHING ELSE? GREAT, THANK YOU.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO WE HAVE ONLY TWO AGENDA ITEMS. WE ONLY HAVE TWO AGENDA ITEMS FOR, UNLESS, WELL, WE'LL, WE MAY COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETWEEN NOW AND THEN ABOUT THE RIGBY HOUSE.
SO MAYBE WE COULD AGENDIZE THAT.
OH, THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THINGS.
THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT WE ARE SAYING.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE ON THE NEXT ONE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN OTHER THINGS WON'T COME UP.
UH, NO NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.