* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE] [00:00:03] OKAY, WE'RE GONNA CALL THE FOUR 30 MEETING TO ORDER. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC STANDARDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, [2. ROLL CALL/MOMENT OF ART] MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR JALO. PRESENT VICE MAYOR PLU. HERE. COUNCILOR DUNN. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FOLTZ. HERE. COUNCILOR KINSELLA. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FAF. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FURMAN IS ALSO HERE. COUNCILOR FURMAN . SORRY. EASY. HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? WOW. CAUGHT THAT. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. UH, THE FIRST MEETING OF EVERY MONTH, WE HAVE A WONDERFUL, UH, PRESENTATION ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF ART FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO, NANCY LATTANZI, WHY DON'T YOU START THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. BEFORE I START THE PRESENTATION, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UM, THIS THURSDAY, CAROL BENAL, WHO'S A SOLO ARTIST THAT IS UP RIGHT NOW, UM, WILL BE HERE DOING A PAINTING DEMONSTRATION IN THIS ROOM, THREE 30 TO FIVE 30. EVERYBODY IS INVITED. AND UM, HER EXHIBIT COMES DOWN APRIL 24TH. SO IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED IN PURCHASE, JUST LET ME KNOW. SHE'S GENEROUSLY OFFERED 20% OFF OF EACH PIECE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. SO THIS IS REALLY EXCITING. THANK YOU ALL CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVING THIS POET LAUREATE PROGRAM. WE HAVE, WE'RE JUST BEGINNING TO LAUNCH IT AND TODAY WILL BE THE FIRST DAY YOU GET A SNEAK PEEK AT THE SEVEN FINALISTS. SO APRIL IS POETRY MONTH AND THE TIMING ALL LINED UP AS WE WERE HAD HOPED. A POET LAUREATE IS RECOGNIZED FOR DEMONSTRATING THEIR PASSION AND INVOLVEMENT IN POETRY WITH THE GOAL OF ELEVATING LITERARY ARTS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS INSPIRING AN EMERGING GENERATION OF POETS IN OUR SCHOOLS. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS. WE RECEIVED 13 SUBMISSIONS AND WE CHOSE THE WORK GROUP CHOSE SEVEN FINALISTS. FIVE ARE ADULTS AND TWO ARE YOUTH. AND I WANNA THANK THOSE WHO ARE ON THE WORK GROUP. JUDY POE, TASHA SPES, REX AEROSMITH. REX, YOU WANNA STAY ON? WHERE IS REX? REX IS THE ONE WHO HAD THIS IDEA, SO LET'S GIVE IT A HAND TO REX. IT'S HAPPENING, IT'S FINALLY HAPPENING. UM, AND UH, CHRISTOPHER FOX GRAHAM, WHO IS WATCHING IN TV LAND AND BARBARA WHITEHORN, OUR DI DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, WHOSE DAD IS A POET AND SHE'S VERY INTERESTED IN POETRY. UM, AND HER, YOUR REVIEWS WERE EXCEPTIONAL. SHE REALLY GAVE A LOT OF THOUGHT TO, UM, REVIEWING THE PACKETS. SO, UM, IF YOU WANNA KNOW MORE, 'CAUSE THIS IS A LIMITED TIME ABOUT EACH POET, WHICH I CAN'T GET INTO HERE, PLEASE COME TO THE PERFORMANCES. THERE ARE THREE. SO THE FIRST IS WEDNESDAY, APRIL 16TH, SIX TO EIGHT AT COMMUNITY, UH, LIBRARY. SEDONA, MONDAY, APRIL 21ST FROM SEVEN TO NINE AT MARY FISHER. AND MONDAY, APRIL 28TH FROM SIX TO 8:00 PM AT TILAK. AND I HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION IF YOU DIDN'T CATCH THAT. SO LET'S START WITH OUR FINALISTS. UNFORTUNATELY, THE FIRST ONE HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY AND SHE'S OUT OF AREA, BUT SHE HAS, UM, SENT IN A VIDEO. HER NAME IS T PACE AND HER POEM IS A VALENTINE FOR DIANE DEMA AND FIONA APPLE, PLEASE WATCH. HI, MY NAME'S T AND THIS POEM IS CALLED A VALENTINE FOR DIANE DEMA AND FIONA APPLE. HOW I LIVE AND LOVE DEPENDS ON THE DAY. SOME DAYS IT'S DRAGGING MYSELF OUT OF BED TO TRUDGE THROUGH THE MUDDY TRENCHES TO LIVE AND LOVE IS TO JUST KEEP SWIMMING. DESPITE A DYSFUNCTIONAL FIN IN SELECTIVE MEMORY. LIVING AND LOVING IS ROOTING FOR MY FELLOW WOMAN. FOR WHEN THEY WIN, I WIN TOO. 'CAUSE THERE'S ENOUGH FOOD TO SUSTAIN US ALL. AND I WILL CRADLE YOUR WORDS AS IF I BIRTH THEM MYSELF, AS IF THEY FRACTURED FREE FROM MY SKULL, LIKE ATHENA FROM ZEUS. AND I'LL COOK YOU A MEAL AND I'LL SET YOU A SPOT AT MY TABLE. 'CAUSE THERE'S ROOM FOR YOU HERE. EVEN IF WE NEED TO SQUISH SOME CHAIRS, I WILL STAND UP FOR YOU AND GIVE YOU MINE. [00:05:01] THERE'S ROOM TO CREATE AND SHARE. WHEN I SUPPORT YOU, I SUPPORT MYSELF TOO. MY VICTORIES ARE HERE AND THERE. MY VICTORIES ARE HERS AND THEIRS LOVING YOU IS LOVING ME TOO FOR PLATONIC LOVE. THANK YOU. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW THE PROCESS, IT WAS, UM, ANONYMOUS SO ALL THE NAMES WERE COVERED. SO WE ARE JUST MEETING EVERYONE NOW WITH YOU. UM, THE NEXT POET IS GARY EVRY AND HE WILL PROF, UM, READ THE CAVE OF SHANNON D ONE OF HIS POEMS, THE CAVE OF SHAAR. WHAT ELSE MATTERS EXCEPT THAT SOMEONE LOVED HIM AND LOVED HIM DEARLY ENOUGH TO PLACE FLOWERS ON HIS GRAVE. THE ARCHEOLOGIST CAREFULLY EXCAVATES SCRAPING THE REMAINS OF A 60,000 YEAR OLD NEANDERTHAL INTO A SAC SO THE SAC CAN BE SHIPPED TO A DISTANT LABORATORY WHERE ALL THE CONTENTS CAN BE WEIGHED AND ANALYZED. THERE IS SO MUCH OF PREHISTORY THAT IS LOST, THE SOCIAL STRUCTURE OF A TRIBAL GOVERNMENT. THE COMPLEXITY OF HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS, EVEN THOUGH THE SIZE OF THE NEANDERTHAL BRAIN AND THE LENGTH OF THE TONGUE SCREAMED FOR A LANGUAGE, NOT A SINGLE WORD HAS BEEN RETAINED. THE ARCHEOLOGIST IS TRYING TO FIT TOGETHER THE PIECES OF THE PAST AS IF HE IS ASSEMBLING A JIGSAW PUZZLE. PICTURE. HE IS AMAZED. THERE IS SO MUCH FLOWER POLLEN IN THIS LITTLE GRAVE IN THE BACK OF THE CAVE OF SHAAR. IT REPRESENTS SO MANY MORE FLOWERS THAN COULD HAVE EVER BLOWN INTO THE BACK OF THE CAVE, EVEN DURING THE MOST VIOLENT OF STORMS. SO ALL WE KNOW ABOUT THIS DEAD TRI LUDITE 60,000 YEARS AFTER THE FACT, THIS BRUTISH BARBARIAN WHOSE LIFE WAS RULED BY BLADE BLOOD AND BUTCHERING, WAS THAT SOMEONE LOVED HIM AND LOVED HIM DEARLY ENOUGH TO PLACE FLOWERS ON HIS GRAVE. THANK YOU GARY. NEXT UP IS MARTHA ENTON AND HER POEM IS WILDFIRE. HELLO, COUNCIL MEMBERS, WILDFIRE, HOT WINDS, SCORCH, DESERT FIELDS, UNFURLING DISASTERS, YIELDS FIRE, FLOODS, UNENDING DROUGHT, ALL NAMED TO CALL US OUT. FIRE AND FURY FAN THE FLAMES, HEARTS AND MINDS TORCHED AND MAIMED. WE'LL FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, BURN, BURN, BURN TILL ALL THE LESSONS HAVE BEEN LEARNED. WE THINK WE'RE SEPARATE FROM LAND AND TREE FORGETTING. MYSTERY IN SAND AND SEA ANCESTORS CALL FORTH WISE REVELRY. REMEMBER LIFE WEAVES A TAPESTRY, BRAID YOUR HAIR AND WEAVE THE THREADS TO BLANKET THE EARTH IN PEACEFUL PRAYER. WE ARE ALL CALLED TO DO THIS WORK. WE'LL BRING THE LIGHT, LIGHT, LIGHT, TURN, TURN, TURN TILL ALL THE LESSONS HAVE BEEN LEARNED. WE'LL SHARE THE LIGHT, LIGHT, LIGHT. LEARN, LEARN, LEARN TILL ALL THE LESSONS HAVE BEEN EARNED. THANK YOU MARTHA. NEXT UP IS CAMILLE LAFE WITH THE STONE WHALES. [00:10:04] THANK YOU COUNCIL AND THE LIBRARY AND NANCY AND TASHA AND REX AND ALL THE JUDGES FOR PUTTING THIS PROGRAM TOGETHER. IT'S SUPER EXCITING. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I WANNA CHECK, OH, I ALSO HAVE TO SAY THANK YOU TO MY FRIEND FAMILY FOR BEING HERE. AWESOME. UM, AND ANY HIKERS, ANY HIKERS IN THE ROOM? OKAY, BECAUSE THIS, UM, POEM WAS INSPIRED BY A HIKE THAT I TOOK AND LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE IT IS. THERE ARE MANY CLUES. THE STONE WHALES, DO YOU SEE THEM? THE STONE WHALES BREACHING OUT OF BEDROCK NIBBLING AT THE SUN, THEIR SLENDER MOUTHS HOLDING ATMOSPHERE. THEIR HUMPS SPOUTING JUNIPER INTO AN OCEANIC SKY. THEIR SANDSTONE SKIN WEARING MARINE CALCIFIED CORAL TUFTS OF GRASS SPROUTING AMID FALLEN FINS ALONG THIS DESERT REMNANT OF AN ANCIENT INLAND SEA. DO YOU HEAR THE COYOTES SING FOR THEM? DOWN ROCKY WASHES BETWEEN BOULDER FALL ALONG RED DIRT UNEARTHED BY HATCHET SWING AND PICKAXE POUND BY BIKER TIRE AND HIKER TREAD THE TRAIL SCRAPED BEAR BELOW THE STONE WHALES ON THE WEST END OF THE OLD TOWN DUMP. I SING FOR THEM TOO. RIGHT HERE WHERE BOOTS SCUFF AND POLES POKE WHERE FINGERS TAP AS WORDS EVOKE THE HEFT OF GHOSTS. WHAT IS CONJURED FOR YOU AS THE TENDER CUP OF MARIAL LILY ENDANGERED AT LAST SWAYS WITH DOUBT BETWEEN ROOFING AND REBAR, STEEL BEAMS AND RUSTED CANS. SACRED DE AND BROKEN GLASS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CAMILLE. AND THE LAST OF THE ADULT POETS ARE, UM, IS CLINT F FRANKS WITH LOVES LOST HORSES AND YOU HAVE TO BE . WELL, NO, HE'S REALLY A KID AT HEART. . YEAH. I WANT TO YOU THE THANK ECHO, THE THANK YOU, UH, THE CITY OFFICIALS, NANCY RAS. GOOD IDEA . THIS IS GONNA BE A FIRST TWO. I'VE NEVER READ A POEM OFF AN IPHONE BEFORE, BUT MY, MY, UH, PRINTER WAS DOWN APRIL. THIS ISN'T THE POEM, IT IS APRIL. POETRY LOVE, LOVE LOST. THIS IS CALLED LOVES LOST HORSES FOR HELENA. AND THERE'S AN EPIGRAPH, UH, FROM A WELL-KNOWN ONE FROM, UH, ROBERT BLY. EVERY BREATH TAKEN BY THE WOMAN WHO LOVES AND THE MAN WHO LOVES, GOES TO FILL THE WATER TANK FROM WHICH THE SPIRIT HORSES DRINK. LET'S NOT SAY WE FAILED OR LOVED TOO LITTLE. LET'S SAY THE WALK TO THE SPRING GOT TOO LONG WITH OUR COPPER BUCKETS AND TOW, LET'S SAY WE TRIED TO GET HOME, BUT THE SPIRIT HORSE IS SO THIRSTY IN WAITING, BROKE THE GATES AND FLED. LET'S SAY THAT OUR LOVE IS NOW RUNNING WILD OVER HIGH GRASSY PLAINS AND SCULPTED GORGES WITH THE ANCIENT AMBER SUN IN ITS EYES. SURMISING VOLCANOES AND SNOWY BUTTES EFFORTLESSLY DRINKING FROM HUNDREDS OF SPRINGS AT ONCE. AND THE BEAUTY OF OUR WRECK. A THOUSAND PURPLE OWLS CLOVER SPROUTING FROM THE HOLLOW PRINTS THAT ALWAYS LEAD TO THE MOON'S WHITE SHOULDER AND CANYONS FULL OF SOFT RAIN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CLINT. AND NOW FOR THE YOUTH POETS. FIRST UP, FELICIA ELIZABETH GRACE FOES WITH PATIO OF THE FIVE FACES. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. THIS POEM WAS, UH, DEEPLY INSPIRED BY AK AND IT'S CALLED PATIO OF THE FIVE FACES. THE ODD HAIL FACES ARE WAITING CALMLY [00:15:01] WITH LIPS, THE COLOR OF A ROOSTER'S COMB, AND EYES BLACK AS THE NIGHT THE THIGH FACES REMAIN APATHETIC, RESTING ON THE PATIO CARPETED WITH LUSH MOSS. THEY ALL EMULATE EACH OTHER'S FACES OF FROSTY MILKINESS AND ORDINARY NOSES. THEY'RE STRAIGHT EYEBROWS LIE PERFECTLY STILL THEY ARE ROOSTING IN PEACE AND DO NOT WANT TO BE DISTURBED. WHAT ARE THE FACES TRYING TO TELL US? WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THEIR RELAXATION? THEIR NEUTRAL FACIAL EXPRESSIONS COULD BE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT EVERY LIVING CREATURE NEEDS A MOMENT TO DAYDREAM. PERHAPS THE FIVE FACES DO NOT WANT US ALWAYS RUSHING. I BELIEVE THE FACES ARE TRYING TO CONVINCE US TO BE JUST LIKE THEM, BUT WITHOUT INTERFERING OR RUINING ANYTHING. NO ONE KNOWS WHY THE FIVE FACES PREFER TO BE BLANK, BUT I KNOW THEY WANT US TO CHOOSE GOOD OVER EVIL AND MAINTAIN THE HUSHED AND SIMPLE MOMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FELICIA. AND FINALLY, OUR LAST YOUTH POET IS ANYA BLUE LEOR AND SHE'LL BE READING STORIES OF THE DEAD. HI. THANK YOU EVERYONE. UM, SO THIS WAS AN ENGLISH CLASS ASSIGNMENT THAT I DEFINITELY TOOK AWAY TOO SERIOUSLY BECAUSE I LOVED IT SO MUCH. UM, AND OUR UNIT AT THE TIME WAS TRANSCENDENTALISM. SO TO START OFF, I HAVE A QUOTE. AND WHAT IF THOU WITHDRAWN, SILENCE FROM THE LIVING AND NO FRIEND. TAKE NOTE OF THY DEPARTURE THAN OPSIS BY WILL AND CULLEN BRYANT. STORIES OF THE DEAD COTTONWOOD LEAVES DRIFTING DOWN, WHISPERING IN THE WIND. THE TREE TELLS STORIES SPEAKING SILENTLY TO THE BIRDS OF TIMES THAT HAVE LONG PASSED. A THOUSAND BENDING BRANCHES COVER THE SKY IN A GREEN CURTAIN. SOFT COTTON SEEDS SPRINKLE DOWN, SPREADING SPRING ACROSS THE WORLD. SEASONS PASS LEAVES, DARKEN LIVES BEGIN AND END. THE TREE STAYS WATCHING, LISTENING, WAITING. THE HUMMINGBIRDS AND WOODPECKERS SIT BY AND LISTEN TO HER SLEEP. CRACKING BARK CURVES TWISTING UP HER TRUNK. A FOUNDATION RIPPING AT THE SEAMS BENT, BRANCHES CRASHED TO THE GROUND. HER CANARY CANOPY COVERS THE EARTH. THE TREE TELLS STORIES SPEAKING SILENTLY TO THE BIRDS OF TIMES BEFORE THEM. THE BIRDS WHISPER HER STORIES TO THE CHILDREN AS THEY LAY UPON HER BED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANYA. AND THERE YOU HAVE IT. THOSE ARE OUR SEVEN FINALISTS. I REALLY, UM, URGE EVERYONE TO COME TO THE, UM, PERFORMANCES AND THEY'LL BE UP ON THE WEBSITE OR JUST REACH OUT TO ME AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU NANCY. [3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE] OKAY, ITEM THREE. OKAY, WE'LL CONTINUE. ITEM THREE, CONSENT ITEMS. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC STAFF OR THE COUNCIL TO HAVE ANY ITEMS, UH, PULLED. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING OF ANY INTEREST TODAY, SO, UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE A THROUGH G, SECONDED BY SECOND. OKAY. COUNCILOR DUNN ON SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. APPOINTMENTS. WE HAVE NONE. SUMMARY [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS] OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MYSELF, THE COUNCILORS OR THE CITY MANAGER. UH, ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? [00:20:01] PETE? THANK YOU MAYOR. I'M, UH, PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE AND KIND OF RIFFING ON OUR MOMENT OF ART HERE TODAY. UM, I THINK, UM, ALL MY COLLEAGUES ARE AWARE THAT THE, UH, COCONINO PLATEAU WATERSHED PARTNERSHIP OF WHICH I'M THE COUNCIL LIAISON, HAS AN ANNUAL FOURTH GRADE WATER ETHICS CONTEST. UH, LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT A SEDONA SCHOOL ENTERED. IT WAS WEST SEDONA SCHOOL AND THEY WON THE ESSAY PART OF IT. IT WAS AWESOME. THIS YEAR, UH, TEACHER EMILY MORIN AND HER, TWO OF HER STUDENTS AT RUNNING RIVER SCHOOL TOOK THE SECOND AND THIRD PLACE ART AWARDS. SO THAT'S AWESOME. SHOWING BY, UM, THE STUDENTS AND THE TEACHER AND SEDONA AND RUNNING RIVER. AND I'M VERY PLEASED TO SEE THAT. AND JUDY POE IS NOT HERE ANYMORE. PERHAPS YOU'VE GOT MORE ART COMING TO DISPLAY IN YOUR LIBRARY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER, UH, THINGS TO REPORT? NO. OKAY. UH, THIS IS AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME WE'LL JUST REPORT ON THE EXECUTIVE SESSION WE JUST HAD, UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT WE REVIEWED THE CITY MANAGER'S, UH, UH, EVALUATION AND NO ACTION WAS TAKEN. OKAY. FIVE. A PUBLIC FORUM. UH, MADAM CLERK, DO YOU HAVE ANY CARDS? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. [7. PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS & AWARDS] PROCLAMATIONS. ITEM SEVEN, PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS. WE HAVE SEVERAL, I'LL SPLIT THAT WITH THE VICE MAYOR. SO THE FAIR HOUSING PROCLAMATION. AND THAT WILL BE DIANNA. ARE YOU HERE, DIANNA? YEAH, THERE YOU ARE. OKAY. I THOUGHT I SAW YOU BEFORE. HELLO. HELLO DEVONNA. HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING? I'M DOING WELL. SO LET'S READ THIS PROCLAMATION FOR YOU. OH, I'M SO GLAD YOU HAD IT 'CAUSE I JUST HAD A MOMENTARY SCARE THAT I HAD TO READ SOMETHING I DIDN'T HAVE . YOU KEEP IT IN THE SAFEKEEPING . OKAY. UH, PROCLAMATION FAIR HOUSING MONTH, APRIL, 2025, WHEREAS THE FEDERAL FAIR HOUSING ACT WAS PASSED IN APRIL, 1968 IN ORDER TO TAKE STEPS TOWARD ELIMINATING DISCRIMINATION AND HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES BASED ON RACE, COLOR, NATIONAL ORIGIN, UH, RELIGION, SEX, FAMILY STATUS, AND DISABILITY, AND TO FURTHER HOUSING CHOICES FOR ALL AMERICANS. AND WHEREAS THE SCC MISSION IS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF, UH, THE SENIORS, UH, ON THE GREATER SEDONA AREA IN THE YEAH. ON THE GREATER SEDONA AREA. AND WHEREAS THE MONTH OF APRIL IS NOW CELEBRATED AS A FAIR HOUSING MONTH, BOTH NATIONALLY AND LOCALLY. AND WHEREAS, UH, THE ONGOING STRUGGLE, UH, FOR DIGNITY AND OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR ALL IN HOUSING IS NOT THE EXCLUSIVE, UH, PROVINCE, UH, OF THE FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENTS. AND, UH, VIGOROUS LOCAL EFFORTS TO COMBAT DISCRIMINATION AND EXPAND HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES CAN BE EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE. AND WHEREAS, UH, SEDDON NEED SAFE, DECENT, AFFORDABLE, AND INCLUSIVE HOUSING AND THAT ILLEGAL BARRIERS TO EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND HOUSING, NO MATTER HOW SUBTLE DIMINISH THE RIGHTS OF ALL. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF SEDONA SUPPORTS THE EFFORTS OF FAIR HOUSING ORGANIZATIONS CONCERNED CITIZENS AND THE HOUSING INDUSTRY TO CREATE BROADER HOUSING CHOICES IN SEDONA AND YAVAPAI COUNTY AND COCONINO AS WELL, AND TO PROMOTE UNDERSTANDING OF THE FAIR HOUSING ACT. AND WHEREAS INCLUSIVE, WELCOMING AND AFFORDABLE COMMUNITIES PROMOTE DIVERSITY AND, AND CLIMATE CONDUCTIVE CONDUCIVE, EXCUSE ME, TO, UH, EQUATE AND VIBRANT DEVELOPMENT END. WHEREAS IN HONOR OF FAIR HOUSING MONTH, WE PRESENT THIS PROCLAMATION TO HOUSING SOLUTIONS OF NORTHERN ARIZONA FOR THEIR WORK PROMOTING HOUSING EQUITY AND PROVIDING SAFE, DECENT AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING THROUGHOUT SEDONA AND THE VERDE VALLEY. NOW THEREFORE, I SCOTT BLO, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, HEREBY PROCLAIMED THE MONTH OF APRIL, 2025 TO BE FAIR HOUSING MONTH IN SEDONA. AND I HEREBY URGE ALL INDIVIDUALS, AGENCIES AND INSTITUTIONS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE OBSERVANCE OF CONT BY CONT BY CONTI, BY CONTINUING OUR EFFORTS, UH, TO ELIMINATE HOUSING DISCRIMINATION IN OUR COMMUNITY AND TO INCREASE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL ISSUED THIS EIGHTH DAY OF APRIL, 2025. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. YES, THANK YOU. YES. IS THERE A PICTURE? I THOUGHT THERE WAS A PICTURE. YEAH. AND, AND I'M FORTUNATE TO HAVE SOME OF MY STAFF HERE WITH ME TOO. MICROPHONE. YEAH. [00:25:04] COULD YOU PLEASE GO OVER HERE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. BE WHEREVER YOU WANNA SEE. HELLO? YES. TURN AROUND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU ALL. OKAY. AND I'VE ASKED THE VICE MAYOR TO DO NUMBER TWO. ACTUALLY, SHE'S DOING NUMBER THREE, BUT , WE'RE TAKING THESE OUT OF ORDER. OH, WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT? , GO FOR IT. OKAY. THIS IS, OH, THIS IS WEIRD. I I'M NOT GOING OUT OF ORDER, BUT IT HAS SOMEBODY ELSE'S NAME ON IT. OH, I DIDN'T, OKAY. WHEREAS NEXT, THE AESTHETIC KEVIN IS NOT HERE. NO, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T YOU. IT WAS OKAY. THE OTHER PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS THE AESTHETIC BEAUTY AND WONDER OF A NATURAL NIGHT SKY IS A SHARED HERITAGE OF ALL HUMANKIND. AND WHEREAS THE EXPERIENCE OF STANDING UNDER A STARRY NIGHT SKY INSPIRES FEELINGS OF WONDER AND AWE ENCOURAGING A GROWING INTEREST IN SCIENCE AND NATURE, PARTICULARLY AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE AND VISITORS FROM OUTSIDE THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES. AND WHEREAS LIKE POLLUTION HAS SCIENTIFICALLY ESTABLISHED ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONSEQUENCES, WHICH RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON THE ECOLOGY AND HUMAN HEALTH OF ALL COMMUNITIES. AND WHEREAS 80% OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION, INCLUDING MANY PEOPLE IN SEDONA, LIVE UNDER A DOME OF LIGHT POLLUTION, EXCESSIVE ARTIFICIAL LIGHTING AT NIGHT THAT DISRUPTS NATURAL DARKNESS AND MAY NEVER EXPERIENCE THE VISUAL WONDER OR ECOLOGICAL AND HEALTH BENEFITS OF LIVING UNDER A DARK SKY. AND WHEREAS LIGHT POLLUTION REPRESENTS A WASTE OF NATURAL RESOURCES, AMOUNTING TO ROUGHLY $3 BILLION PER YEAR OF WASTED ENERGY IN THE UNITED STATES AND CONTRIBUTES TO DIMINISHED ENERGY SECURITY. AND WHEREAS ARIZONA HOSTS 10% OF THE WORLD'S LARGEST TELESCOPES, INCLUDING THE WORLD'S LARGEST OPTICAL TELESCOPE AND MANY OF THE WORLD'S MOST REVERED OBSERVATIONS, INCLUDING THE LOWELL OBSERVATORY, THE SMITHSONIAN ASTROPHYSICAL OBSERVATORY, WHIPPLE OBSERVATORY, THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA'S, MMT, AND LARGE BINOCULAR TELESCOPE OB OBSERVATIONS KIT, PEAK NATIONAL OBSERVATORY, AND THE VATICAN OBSERVATORY. AND WHEREAS OPTICAL ASTRONOMY, WHICH IS BOTH HINDERED AND ENDANGERED BY UNFETTERED LIGHT POLLUTION, REPRESENTS A STATEWIDE CAPITAL INVESTMENT OF MORE THAN $1.3 BILLION AND AN ANNUAL ECONOMIC RETURN OF OVER $280 MILLION, INCLUDING AN INDIRECT ATTACHMENT TO MORE THAN 180,000 JOBS THROUGH THE AEROSPACE AND DEFENSE SECTOR. AND WHEREAS ARIZONA IS HOME TO DOZENS OF NOCTURNAL WILDLIFE SPECIES, INCLUDING THE BLACK FOOTAGE FERRET, ONE OF THE MOST ENDANGERED MAMMALS ON THE NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENT. AND THESE SPECIES RELY ON UNDISTURBED NIGHT ENVIRONMENTS TO HUNT MATE AND THRIVE. AND WHEREAS DARK SKY INTERNATIONAL, THE GLOBALLY RECOGNIZED AUTHORITY ON LIGHT POLLUTION RECOGNIZES INTERNATIONAL DARK SKY WEEK TO RAISE AWARENESS OF THE EFFECTS OF LIGHT POLLUTION, PROVIDE FREE EDUCATION, RESOURCES, AND SOLUTIONS TO THE PUBLIC, AND ENCOURAGE THE PROTECTION AND THE ENJOYMENT OF DARK SKIES AND RESPONSIBLE OUTDOOR LIGHTING. NOW THEREFORE, I SCOTT JALO, THE MAYOR OF SEDONA ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, HEREBY DECLARES APRIL 21ST THROUGH 28TH, 2025, AS INTERNATIONAL DARK SKY WEEK ISSUED THIS EIGHTH DAY OF APRIL, 2025. WONDERFUL. CAN, CAN I SAY JUST A FEW WORDS BEFORE YOU I GUESS SO. OKAY. , IT, IT'S JUST SO IMPORTANT FOR SEDONA BECAUSE BOTH SEDONA AND KEEP SEDONA BEAUTIFUL. WERE AT THE FOREFRONT OF THE DARK SKY MOVEMENT. WE'RE THE EIGHTH DARK SKY COMMUNITY IN THE WORLD. IT STARTED UP ON FLAGSTAFF, AND THROUGH THE JOINT EFFORT OF KSB IN THE CITY, WE BECAME THE EIGHTH. AND THAT SPREAD TO, UH, CAMP VERDE, TO COTTONWOOD, TO THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK. AND WE'RE [00:30:01] NOW A DESTINATION FOR TOURISTS TO COME WHO ENJOY THE DARK SKIES. AND IT'S AN EVER-GROWING NICHE IN TOURISM. IT'S GONNA BE VAL, VERY VALUABLE FOR US. UM, NEXT WEDNESDAY, APRIL 16TH, WE HOPE TO HAVE KEVIN SCHINDLER SPEAK AT KEONA. BEAUTIFUL. THE REASON I SAY WE HOPE TO IS WE FOUND OUT ABOUT A WEEK AGO THAT, UM, DOGE CUT THE FUNDS THAT ARIZONA HUMANITIES USES TO, UH, GIVE GRANTS FOR SPEAKERS. AND KEVIN WAS TO COME TO US THROUGH ARIZONA HUMANITIES. WE FOUND OUT, UH, LESS THAN AN HOUR AGO THAT THAT PROGRAM IS CUT OFF, I THINK THREE DAYS FROM NOW DONE. ARIZONA HUMANITIES IS OVER. WE'RE HOPING KEVIN IS STILL GOING TO COME. KSB WILL LET EVERYBODY KNOW ABOUT THAT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A POINT THAT THE BUDGET CUTS ARE HITTING US HERE IN ADDITION. THANK YOU. ONE MORE TIME. THANK YOU. OKAY. HELEN MCNEIL, THANK FOR THANK YOU RECEIVING THIS THANK YOU AND THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS. YES, SURE. SO, PROCLAMATION, KEEP YOUR PETS FIRE SAFE WEEK MAY 5TH TO THE 11TH, 20 20, 25, WHEREAS MORE THAN 40,000 PETS DIE EACH YEAR IN FIRES. AND WHEREAS MORE THAN 500,000 ANIMALS ARE AFFECTED BY FIRES EACH YEAR. AND WHEREAS PETS BRING JOY AND COMFORT TO THEIR OWNERS AND HELP OWNERS, UH, TO REMAIN ACTIVE AND LIVE LONGER. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF SEDONA IS COMMITTED TO BEING A, UH, LIVABLE AND VIBRANT COMMUNITY THAT ENCOURAGES THE HEALTH AND ACTIVITY OF ALL OF ITS RESIDENTS. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF SEDONA HAS A LARGE AND GROWING POPULATION OF PET OWNERS, AND WHEREAS THERE ARE STRATEGIES AND TOOLS THAT WILL ASSIST IN KEEPING PETS SAFE. AND THAT WILL, IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE ASSIST FIREFIGHTERS IN MAKING TIMELY RESCUES IF NEEDED. AND WHEREAS THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT, THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA, THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER, AND THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS COALITION HAVE COME TOGETHER AND RECEIVED GENEROUS SUPPORT FROM THE ARIZONA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION TO INCREASE PET FIRE SAFETY AWARENESS, TO PROVIDE EDUCATION AND INFORMATION ABOUT PET LOCATION DETECTORS TO ALL RESIDENTS WITH, WITH PETS, AND TO PROVIDE FREE PET LOCATION DETECTORS, UH, TO GET, UH, PET A ADOPTERS AND LOWER INCOME RESIDENTS THAT WILL ASSIST FIREFIGHTERS IN LOCATING THEIR PETS MORE QUICKLY IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE. WOW. NOW, THEREFORE, I, SCOTT BLO, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, HEREBY RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF PETS TO THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF SEDONA RESIDENTS AND THE VALUE OF INCREASING FIRE SAFETY AWARENESS ON THE PET, ON THE PART OF PET OWNERS TO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF MAY 5TH AS KEEP YOUR, UH, PETS FIRE SAFE WEEK AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS OF THE OF SEDONA TO LEARN MORE ABOUT PET SAFETY AND TO TAKE ACTION TO KEEP THEIR PETS SAFE IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE ISSUED THIS EIGHT DAY OF APRIL, 2025. AND IF I CAN, UH, PLEASE TAKE JUST A MOMENT. I WANNA SAY A FEW THANK YOUS, UM, BEGINNING WITH, UH, YOU MAYOR JABAL, VICE MAYOR PLU, AND, UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS PROCLAMATION. UM, I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE CLERK'S OFFICE, JOANNE AND, UM, MARCY, MARCY FOR HELPING ME NAVIGATE THIS PROCESS. UM, I ALSO WANNA THANK, UH, OUR PARTNERS AND, UH, THE HUMANE SOCIETIES HERE, JOANNE BRAILLER AND BRENDA RIDDEL, BUT ALSO THE FOLKS FROM VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS, THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER, AND ALSO ARIZONA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION RESCUE RETRIEVERS, AND THE SEDONA VERDE VALLEY FIREFIGHTERS CHARITY FOR THEIR SUPPORT, WHICH IS MAKING THIS WEEK POSSIBLE. AND I HOPE EVERYONE WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS WEEK, STOP BY ONE OF OUR FIREHOUSES. WE WILL HAVE FREE PET SAFETY INFORMATION FOR YOU. WE WILL HAVE FREE PET ALERT [00:35:01] STICKERS THAT YOU CAN USE. UM, BUT BELIEVE ME, KEEPING YOUR PET SAFE, I KNOW WHAT MY 13-YEAR-OLD DOG MEANS TO ME, AND, UM, WHY HE'S BARKING AT ME AS I'M LEAVING TO COME HERE. AND SO I DON'T WANT ANY OF US TO FEEL GUILTY WHEN WE LEAVE OUR PETS HOME ALONE, UH, AND EVER TO HAVE TO FACE THAT. AND I DON'T WANT OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO HAVE TO DELIVER THAT TERRIBLE MESSAGE. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND ALSO THANK YOU TO CHIEF MISSOULA FOR HIS SUPPORT AS WELL. OKAY. YOU WANNA HAVE THE WHOLE TEAM COME ON? DO YOU NEED US TO MAKE A CALL? PULL AN AMBULANCE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VERY WELCOME. OKAY. OKAY. [8.a. AB 3205 Discussion/direction to staff regarding the options available for the ADOH Homeless Shelter and Services Fund grant in the amount of $875,638.] REGULAR BUSINESS ITEM EIGHT, A AB 32 0 5 DISCUSSION, DIRECTION TO STAFF REGARDING THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR THE A DO HOMELESS. THANK YOU. UH, HOMELESS SHELTER AND SERVICE FUND GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF 875,638. JANIE, YOU'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, VICE MAYOR. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. UM, TODAY, UH, THIS AGENDA ITEM WILL DISCUSS THE, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE EIGHT OH HOMELESS SHELTER AND SERVICES FUND GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $875,638. SO TO BEGIN, UM, JUST TO, TO REMIND, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE WHO MAY NOT KNOW THE BACKGROUND AND PURPOSE OF THIS GRANT, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY THE, THE AMOUNT IS 8 75 6 3 8. THE ORIGINAL ALLOCATION WAS FOR THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK PROGRAM. THIS COMES OUT OF THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING, UH, HOMELESS SHELTER AND SERVICES FUND GRANT. SO, UM, THE PROPOSED REALLOCATION FOR THE FUNDING IS TO SOMETHING CALLED THE SEDONA RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. AND THE PURPOSE OF THE PROGRAM WOULD BE TO PROVIDE RENTAL ASSISTANCE TO SUPPORT HOUSING STABILITY IN PERSONS AND FAMILIES EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. UM, I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FUNDING SOURCE AND THE GUIDELINES FOR THE FUNDING. UM, IT IS, UH, AS PART OF THE STATE'S BIPARTISAN BUDGET, IT WAS FUNDED BY THE ARIZONA STATE GENERAL FUND. UH, THIS FUND WAS CREATED TO PROVIDE SHELTER AND ESSENTIAL SERVICES FOR PERSONS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. UH, GOVERNOR HOBBS AND THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING ALLOCATED $40 MILLION IN GRANTS STATEWIDE, INCLUDING THE $875,638 FOR SEDONA. UM, THE, UH, SO, SO WHO, WHAT THIS NEEDS TO SERVE IS, UM, IT MUST ALIGN WITH HUD'S DEFINITION OF LITERAL HOMELESSNESS. SO WHAT THAT DEFINITION SAYS IS THAT THIS IS TO SERVE, UH, FOLKS WHO ARE LIVING UNSHELTERED. SO WHETHER THEY'RE LIVING IN CARS ON THE STREETS AND PLACES, NOT MEANT FOR HUMAN HABITATION, OR IT COULD BE, UH, SOMEBODY EXITING AN INSTITUTIONAL [00:40:01] SETTING THAT DIDN'T, DOESN'T HAVE HOUSING. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH LITERAL HOMELESSNESS. UM, WE CAME BEFORE COUNCIL ON FEBRUARY 11TH. WE WERE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. UM, AND WE BROUGHT FORTH A PROGRAM THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT BROADER IN SCOPE. IT WAS A REGIONAL, A REGIONAL APPROACH. UM, WE ALSO WANTED TO, UH, COUNCIL DURING THE DISCUSSION WANTED TO CLARIFY THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS TO EXPLORE POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON SEDONA HOMELESS STUDENTS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT A REGIONAL VERSUS A SEDONA SPECIFIC APPROACH. SO, UH, REGARDING THE HOME, THE SEDONA HOMELESS STUDENTS, UM, SEDONA SCHOOL STUDENTS FALL UNDER A DIFFERENT CATEGORY, A DIFFERENT SORT OF DEFINITION OF HOMELESSNESS, UM, WHICH IS GUIDED BY THE MCKINNEY-VENTO LAW. THAT'S A FEDERAL LAW. AND THAT INCLUDES INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE COUCH SURFING OR WHO MAY BE DOUBLED UP IN, IN HOMES, BUT THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY EXPERIENCING LITERAL HOMELESSNESS, WHICH IS WHAT THIS FUNDING NEEDS TO, UM, TARGET. SO, UH, THE STATE LEGISLATURE FOR THIS FUNDING IS VERY CLEAR THAT THESE FUNDS MUST BE USED FOR LITERAL HOMELESS AND THEREFORE, SOME OF THE HOMELESS STUDENTS WHO ARE IN SEDONA MAY NOT QUALIFY FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM. WE TALKED ABOUT THE REGIONAL VERSUS THE SEDONA SPECIFIC APPROACH. UM, THE REGIONAL APPROACH AIMED TO MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ASSISTED WHILE ENSURING EFFECTIVE RESOURCE ALLOCATION. THIS DECISION TO DEVELOP THE PROGRAM REGIONALLY WAS BASED ON FINDINGS THAT WERE CITED IN THE SEDONA HOMELESSNESS NEEDS ASSESSMENT REPORT THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY OUR CONSULTANTS, UM, AS WELL AS DISCUSSIONS DURING THE JANUARY 29TH COUNCIL, UH, WORK SESSION WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, UH, REGIONAL APPROACH. WE, WE BROUGHT TOGETHER KEY REGIONAL STAKEHOLDERS TO ADDRESS THE NEED FOR A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH TO HOMELESSNESS AND SUPPORT SERVICES FOR LOW INCOME INDIVIDUALS. OKAY. THE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED MODEL THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL ON THE 11TH, AGAIN, IT WAS FOR A BROADER REGIONAL APPROACH. THE KEY ELEMENTS WERE, UM, A PARTNERSHIP WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES WHO, UM, ARE ACTUALLY HERE TONIGHT IN THE AUDIENCE. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM AFTERWARDS. UM, THIS WOULD PRIORITIZE, WE WOULD PRIORITIZE PEOPLE IN SEDONA, AND IT WOULD ALSO CONDUCT OUTREACH INTO THE GREATER VERDE VALLEY. AND THIS DOES ENSURE THAT THE FUNDS ARE SPENT. UH, IT'S, IT WOULD USE, UM, USE OF THE COORDINATED ENTRY SYSTEM. WE WOULD, THE PROGRAM WOULD BE IN COLLABORATION WITH EXISTING SERVICE PROVIDERS AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE HERE TO ENHANCE SERVICE DELIVERY AND, UH, WRAP AROUND CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICES TO ACHIEVE LONG-TERM HOUSING STABILITY, BECAUSE THAT IS THE GOAL, HOUSING STABILITY. SO THIS REGIONAL APPROACH, AGAIN, UH, WAS LANDED UPON TO ENHANCE THE SERVICES REGIONALLY AND IMPORTANTLY, UM, BECAUSE 70% OF SEDONAS WORKFORCE LIVES OUTSIDE OF SEDONA. UH, SO THEY COMMUTE INTO THE CITY FOR WORK AND IT, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE SERVING SEDONA BY SERVING SEDONAS WORKFORCE. SO THIS PRO PROGRAM, AS IT WAS WRITTEN THEN WAS PROJECTED TO SERVE APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED HOUSEHOLDS OVER THE COURSE OF TWO YEARS. UM, DURING THE COUNCIL MEETING, UM, WE STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO, UM, COME BACK WITH AN AMENDED SCOPE OF SERVICES THAT WAS KIND OF SEDONA SPECIFIC TO SERVE THE LOCAL COMMUNITY AND, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, THE, THE PERSONS THAT WE WERE SERVED HAD A VERIFIABLE, UM, SEDONA CONNECTION. SO, UM, WHILE THE AMENDED APPROACH CLEARLY PRIORITIZES ASSISTANCE FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH STRONG TIES TO SEDONA, UM, IT ENSURES THAT THE PROGRAM DIRECTLY BENEFITS THE LOCAL COMMUNITY RIGHT BY, [00:45:01] YOU KNOW, RESIDENCY, SCHOOL PARTICIPATION. MAYBE THEY, THEY WORK HERE. UM, THE CHALLENGES, THERE WERE SOME CHALLENGES WITH THAT BECAUSE IT REDUCES THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE CAPABLE OF BEING SERVED. UM, AND IT IS PRETTY MUCH UNLIKELY THAT THE CITY WILL EXPEND THE FULL GRANT. UM, AND ADDITIONALLY, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING MAY PREFER THE BROADER SERVICE AREA TO BE, UM, SERVING A GREATER NUMBERS OF FAMILIES. UM, THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE OPTION. OKAY. SO, UM, SO, SO FAR WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE REGIONAL APPROACH, THE BROADER SCOPE, UM, THAT WOULD BE, UM, PARTNERING WITH A, A LOCAL, UH, NONPROFIT TO ADMINISTER THE GRANT. UM, THE ALTERNATIVE, UH, AMENDED SCOPE WOULD BE VERY SP SEDONA SPECIFIC, UM, AND WOULD REACH A LESSER AMOUNT OF FAMILIES. UM, BUT WE DO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE OPTION, AND THAT WOULD BE TO REQUEST A TRANSFER OF THE GRANT TO A QUALIFIED NONPROFIT. AND, UH, WHY DO WE WANNA DO THIS? WELL, IT WOULD MAXIMIZE THE FUND UTILIZATION. IT WOULD REDUCE THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN FOR THE CITY. IT WOULD EXPAND HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE PEOPLE. UM, AND IT WOULD ALSO ENSURE DATA COLLECTION FOR FUTURE, UH, POLICY DECISIONS. THIS OPTION, UM, PRE PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE THAT ALL FUNDS ARE UTILIZED EFFECTIVELY WHILE IT MAINTAINS A COMMITMENT TO PERSONS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN SEDONA AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. UM, AND SINCE MORE THAN 70% OF SEDONAS WORKFORCE LIVES OUTSIDE THE CITY, A REGIONAL APPROACH WOULD REALLY SERVE SEDONAS WORKFORCE AS WELL. SO, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO FOLLOW, UM, TO TRANSFER THE GRANT TO A QUALIFIED NONPROFIT FOR ADMINISTRATION. AND THE REASONS WHY IT FOLLOWS THE EIGHT O GUIDELINES TO FORECAST THE MONIES BROADLY, IT'S GOING TO BE REGIONAL. IT WILL REACH MORE PEOPLE. THE CITY WILL BE INVOLVED WITH THE DATA AND WILL REGULARLY ENGAGE WITH THE SELECTED NONPROFIT TO MONITOR THE OUTCOMES. WE WILL BE BRINGING THESE RESOURCES TO THE TABLE. SO WE WILL, THE CITY OF SEDONA WILL BENEFIT FROM PROVIDING, UH, REQUESTING THIS TRANSFER BECAUSE WE WILL BE WORKING, UH, CLOSELY WITH THE SELECTED NONPROFIT. AND THE BEST PART OF ALL IS THAT WE WILL BECOME PART OF THE REGIONAL SUPPORT NETWORK. WE WILL BE HELPING MORE PEOPLE IN THE REGION. WE WILL BE HELPING PEOPLE, INCLUDING THOSE WHO ARE OUR SEDONA RESIDENTS, UM, AS WELL AS THOSE IN SEDONAS WORKFORCE WHO LIVE OUTSIDE THE CITY AND COMMUTE DAILY, UM, TO SERVICE AS OUR BUSINESS AND OUR COMMUNITIES. SO THAT IS PRETTY MUCH MY PRESENTATION, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME NEXT STEPS. UM, WE ARE ASKING COUNSEL TO DECIDE FOR YOUR DECISION ON TRANSFERRING, REQUESTING THE TRANSFER. SO WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS THAT WE WOULD, UM, CONTACT THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING. WE WOULD REQUEST THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS. UH, WE COULD ADD A PROVISION IN THE REQUEST THAT WE WOULD ENGAGE WITH THE NONPROFIT AND ALSO BE, UM, REQUESTING THE DATA AND THE REGULAR REPORTS TO, UM, ENSURE, YOU KNOW, POSITIVE OUTCOMES. WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH, UM, WITH THE PROGRAM. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL ESTABLISH REPORTING AND ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES. AND SO WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO CITY COUNCIL TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. BEFORE WE DO THAT, ANNETTE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO ADD? THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. UM, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, UM, A COUPLE OF THE POINTS THAT JEANNIE MADE. THANK YOU, JEANNIE, FOR THE PRESENTATION. UM, SO AT THE LAST COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC, YOU DID ASK US TO EXPLORE, UM, HOW WE COULD AMEND THE PROGRAM TO BE SEDONA SPECIFIC AND DISCUSS WITH ADA ABOUT A NEXUS AND ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA, WHICH WE DID HAVE THAT, UM, PHONE MEETING WITH THEM AND TALKED ABOUT THE COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO SERVE, UM, FOLKS WITH A DIRECT TIE IN SEDONA AS WELL AS [00:50:01] THE, UM, KIDS AT THE SEDONA OAK CREEK SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND IT WAS IN THAT DISCUSSION WITH A O STAFF WHO ARE IN CHARGE OF ADMINISTERING THESE FUNDS AND MAKING SURE THEY MEET THE LEGISLATURE'S INTENT AND THE GOVERNOR'S INTENT FOR THEIR USE. THAT WE LEARNED ABOUT THIS DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO DEFINITIONS OF HOMELESSNESS THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO SERVE THE STUDENTS AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WE HAD HOPED. UM, IN THAT LAST CONVERSATION WITH YOU, UM, AND DURING THAT CONVERSATION IS WHEN THE, UM, OPTION FOR, UM, BASICALLY REASSIGNING OUR GRANT AWARD BACK TO A O IS WHERE IT WOULD GO. UM, AND THEN THEY WOULD DIRECTLY CONTRACT WITH THE SERVICE PROVIDER TO DELIVER, UM, WHAT IS INTENDED BY THE GOVERNOR AND THE STATE LEGISLATURE FOR THESE FUNDS. UM, AND THEY DID COMMIT TO US THAT IF THE COUNCIL, UM, DID WANT TO TRANSFER THE GRANT BACK TO A O FOR THEM TO ADMINISTER THAT THEY WOULD, UM, SPEND THE MONEY IN THE VERDE VALLEY AND THERE WOULD STILL BE A BENEFIT TO SEDONA. SO THAT'S, UM, WHAT JEANIE WAS DESCRIBING ABOUT A TRANSFER. SO OUR, OUR GRANT WOULD ACTUALLY JUST BE TRANSFERRED BACK TO EIGHT O FOR THEM TO, UM, ADMINISTER DIRECTLY WITH ANOTHER PROVIDER INSTEAD OF US BEING THE MIDDLE PERSON OF THE, OF THE DELIVERY OF THE MONEY. UM, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. MM-HMM . UM, AND I WROTE IN THE AGENDA, BILL, MY RECOMMENDATION AFTER THINKING ABOUT THE DISCUSSION WITH ADO AND OUR OTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNCIL ABOUT AN INTEREST IN REGIONAL HOUSING AND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANT TO BE GOOD PARTNERS WITH OUR REGION AND THE OTHER CITIES ON THESE BIGGER ISSUES, THAT IT MADE SENSE TO ME, UM, THAT THE FULL AMOUNT OF THAT GRANT COULD BE EX EXPENDED ACROSS, UM, THE VERDE VALLEY, INCLUDING SEDONA. UM, IN THE AGENDA BILL, WE DID TALK ABOUT IF WE DID THE SMALLER PROJECT WITH THE SEDONA NEXUS, OUR ESTIMATE WAS WE COULD SERVE ABOUT 25 FAMILIES COMPARED TO THE ORIGINAL 150. UM, AND EIGHT O WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT THAT WOULD BE TOO SMALL AND NOT MEET THE LEGISLATURE'S INTENT FOR THIS GRANT. SO, UM, THAT IS WHAT WE LEARNED IN THE INTERIM MM-HMM . SINCE THE LAST MEETING. SO WHY DON'T WE START WITH QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC. ANY PARTICULAR ORDER? SEE, I HANDLE RIGHT NEXT? I DIDN'T SEE, OH, OKAY. WELL, DEREK, YOU WANNA START? WE'LL WORK OUR WAY DOWN. UM, SO QUESTION FOR ANNETTE. YOU SAID WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SERVE STUDENTS. THE ISSUE ISN'T THAT WE CAN'T SERVE THE STUDENTS, IT'S JUST THAT THEY, WE WOULD NOT BE GOING BY THE MCKINNEY-VENTO DEFINITION OF HOMELESSNESS, RIGHT? THE CHILDREN, IF THERE WERE STUDENTS WHO MET THE STATE DEFINITION, UM, I THINK, THINK UNDER THIS PROGRAM THEY COULD BENEFIT, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO, UM, THE DISTINCTION IS THAT, UM, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THE FAMILIES IDENTIFIED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT UNDER THE MCKINNEY MANTO PROGRAM, UM, WOULD ALSO MEET THE SAME CRITERIA OF THE STATE FUND. UM, IF THEY DO MEET THE CRITERIA UNDER THE STATE FUND, THEY COULD STILL BE SERVED BY THIS PROGRAM MM-HMM . OKAY. UM, BUT THERE WAS AN INTEREST OF THE COUNCIL TO TRY TO WORK WITH AS MANY OF THOSE FAMILIES AS POSSIBLE. AND WHILE WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT UNDER THE EIGHT OH PROGRAM COUNCIL COULD ASK STAFF TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT WE COULD DO WITH OUR OWN CITY RESOURCES AND BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU AT A FUTURE MEETING TO TALK ABOUT A PROGRAM TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, IT JUST WOULDN'T BE UNDER THIS EIGHT OH FUNDING MECHANISM. AND IN THAT CASE, WE WOULD SET THE PARAMETER, CORRECT? WE, IT WOULD BE OUR DEFINITION, WHICH MIGHT BE MCKINNEY VETA. CORRECT. OKAY. UM, QUESTION FOR JEANIE. DO YOU SENSE THAT IF WE DO ASK THEM TO REDIRECT THIS MONEY, IT'S JUST GONNA KIND OF SOUR OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH ADO AND WE'VE BEEN GOING FROM ONE OKAY. SAFE PLACE TO PARK AND THEN THIS, AND THEN, OKAY, NOW WE'RE TURNING THE MONEY BACK TO 'EM. HOW, WHAT'S YOUR FEEL FOR THAT? IS THAT, THANK YOU. UH, COUNCILLOR FAFF? YES. I FEEL LIKE, UM, A REQUEST TO TRANSFER THE GRANT WOULD NOT SOUR THE RELATIONSHIP WITH A O FRANKLY. UM, WE, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, THEY WERE OPEN TO THAT. AND THEY DO UNDERSTAND, UM, [00:55:02] UM, THEY DO UNDERSTAND THE, AND THEY'RE VERY, UH, GENEROUS WITH THEIR TIME. YOU KNOW, THEY UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY ARE WILLING TO, UM, TRY TO MAKE THIS WORK IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE FOR, FOR EVERYBODY CONCERNED. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . NO OTHER QUESTIONS. UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. MY QUESTIONS WERE ALSO ABOUT THE TRANSFER TO A O, WHICH THE CITY MANAGER AND COUNSELOR FAF. OKAY. KATHY, IF WE STUCK WITH THE, UM, ORIGINAL ALTERNATIVE, UM, IF WE DID NOT EXPEND THE FUNDS, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE UNENDED FUNDS? BECAUSE IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT, UM, GRANT, YOU KNOW, WE GET REIMBURSED FOR, FOR THE EXPENSES, RIGHT? SO IF WE, IF WE DON'T EXPEND THE MONTH THE FUNDS, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IT JUST STAYS WITH THE STATE. RIGHT. SO MY QUESTION IS, IS DO WE KNOW, AND I THINK I'D INDICATED, YOU KNOW, THIS QUESTION, UM, DO WE KNOW IF THE MONEY SINCES, IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT, IT'S TIED UP SORT OF FOR US THEN FOR THE YEAR, IS THAT CORRECT? SO LIKE ANOTHER PROGRAM WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ACCESS THOSE FUNDS, IS THAT CORRECT? EVEN THOUGH WE ARE MAKING A PRETTY EDUCATED GUESS THAT WE WOULD NOT EXPEND THE FULL $875,638. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNSELOR. KINSELLA, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UH, WE WOULD SIGN A CONTRACT WITH THE STATE AND AMENDED CONTRACT WITH THIS, UM, REDUCED SCOPE AND WOULD HAVE A REDUCED BUDGET. AND SO THEY WOULD KNOW THAT WE WOULD NOT BE REQUESTING REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE FULL AMOUNT FROM THE GET GO. AND AT THAT POINT, I THINK THE EIGHT OH LEADERSHIP WOULD LOOK AT HOW THEY WOULD WANNA REALLOCATE THE BALANCE TO SOMETHING ELSE. OKAY. SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO SINCE IT WOULD BE AMENDED IN THE AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO SPEND, CORRECT. THE MONEY WOULD NOT BE WASTED IS OR TIED UP IS IT WOULD BE YOU REALLOCATED CONCURRENTLY BY ADO. OKAY. UM, SECOND QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, IF WE GO WITH THE ALTERNATIVE THREE, WHICH IS THE SECOND ALTERNATIVE TONIGHT, WHICH IS TRANSFERRING THE FUNDS, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF ASSURING THAT THERE IS A NEXUS TO SEDONA BECAUSE IT BECOMES A REGIONAL PROGRAM. UH, AND WE ORIGINALLY, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WAS WERE TO SERVE SEDONA PERSONS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. SO THAT THAT DOES CONCERN ME THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF A PROGRAM, UH, A PROBLEM THAT EXISTING RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARD. UM, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND FROM THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CONSULTANT THAT WE REALIZE THAT HOMELESSNESS IS, IS A REGIONAL ISSUE HERE IN THAT IF YOU'RE IN SEDONA ONE DAY, YOU MIGHT BE IN COTTONWOOD THE NEXT DAY, OR YOU KNOW, THAT THERE IS SOMETHING OF THAT. SO I'M TRYING, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GRAPPLE WITH HERE IS THAT NEXUS TO SEDONA, MAKING SURE THAT IN THE, BECAUSE THE USING THE MONEY REGIONALLY WIDENS THE POOL SO MUCH. SO INSTEAD OF 25 ENTITIES COMPETING FOR FUNDS, IT'S NOW A HUNDRED IT COMPETING FOR FUNDS. SO THAT, I'M JUST WORRIED THAT SEDONA PERSONS WITH THE NEXUS TO SEDONA WON'T BE SERVED IN THE SAME PROPORTION BY HAVING THIS REGIONAL. SO THAT'S NOT A REASON NOT TO DO IT. I'M JUST, IT'S, WHAT I'M GRAPPLING WITH AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS HOW DO WE STILL MAKE SURE THAT SEDONA IDENTIFIED PERSONS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS GET SERVICES. SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT PLEASE? SO ANNETTE, I COULD, I COULD GIVE A, A SHORT ANSWER ON A POINT, BUT, AND THEN I'LL PASS IT TO YOU. OKAY. SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE ORIGINAL, UH, PROPOSAL WAS TO CREATE A PRESENCE FOR THE NONPROFIT IN SEDONA, RIGHT? SO THERE WERE, UM, OFFICE HOURS AT THE SEDONA LIBRARY, THERE WERE OFFICE HOURS, UH, IN, IN CITY SPACE THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE WANTED TO, I MEAN THAT COULD STILL BE AVAILABLE AND IT COULD CREATE A PRESENCE SO THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE OF A SEDONA CONNECTION AND, AND I JUST WANTED THAT'S IT. PASS IT TO YOU. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. THE, THE UNDERSTANDING THAT I HAVE OF HOW THE PROGRAM OPERATES IS THAT IT'S, UM, [01:00:01] THROUGH CASEWORKER SERVICES, BUT ALSO THEY NETWORK WITH, UM, CURRENT PROVIDERS OF OTHER TYPES OF SERVICES THAT, UM, PERSONS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS MAY ACCESS LIKE THE FOOD BANK FOR EXAMPLE. AND SO WE COULD CERTAINLY TALK TO THE STATE ABOUT, WE WOULD LIKE TO ENSURE THAT THOSE SAME ENTITIES THAT CATHOLIC CHARITIES WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO WORK WITH IN SEDONA FOR REFERRALS AND ACCESS TO PEOPLE NEEDING ASSISTANCE WOULD STILL OCCUR. UM, AND THAT IT'S NOT ALL JUST CONCENTRATED IN CAMP VERDE FOR EXAMPLE, BUT THAT THEY HAVE, UM, AN ABILITY TO, UH, I AND I BELIEVE THAT'S THEIR INTENT IS THAT THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THIS NETWORK OF REFERRALS HAPPENING AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S OUTREACH AND PEOPLE KNOWING THAT THE, UM, RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO THEM. UM, AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY OFFER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO OPERATE SOMEWHERE IN SEDONA TO CONNECT WITH PEOPLE THAT NEED THE RESOURCE. THE LANDLORDS THEMSELVES MAY NOT BE IN SEDONA WHERE FOLKS END UP FINDING A PLACE TO RENT AND RECEIVE THE ASSISTANCE. BUT, UM, OUTREACH TO EDUCATE AND TOUCH THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO KNOW THAT THIS IS AVAILABLE AND THEY COULD POSSIBLY QUALIFY FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE IN ANOTHER, UH, LOCATION WOULD HAPPEN, UM, THROUGH THAT WHOLE NETWORK OF REFERRAL SYSTEMS. UM, THE THIRD QUESTION I HAVE AT THE MOMENT IS THE TRANSFER TO A QUALIFIED NONPROFIT TO MAXIMIZE IMPACT OF SUSTAINABILITY QUALIFIED NONPROFIT. WE WERE GOING TO, UNDER OUR SCENARIO, UM, SAFE PLACE PARK SCENARIO ONE, RENTAL ASSISTANCE SCENARIO TWO, TRANSFER SCENARIO THREE. THAT'S THE WAY I AM LOOKING AT IT. SO UNDER SCENARIO TWO, UM, WE WERE GOING TO CONTRACT WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES. DO WE HAVE REASON TO THINK THAT CATHOLIC CHARITIES WILL STILL BE THE QUALIFIED, UM, SERVICE PROVIDER WHEN THE MONEY IS REDEFINED RE UH, ASSIGNED? YES. THANK YOU COUNSELOR KINSELLA THE, UM, CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH A O THEY DID SAY THAT CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS A SELECTED AND QUALIFIED NONPROFIT PROVIDER OF THESE SERVICES AND THEY HAVE WORKED WITH THEM IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE OR IN THIS AREA AND THAT, UM, THEY HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO DO THIS PROGRAM AND ALL THE LANDLORD CONTACTS ALREADY. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY WOULD WORK WITH THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, BRIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. I THINK I'M GONNA CONTINUE ON COUNCILLOR ELLA'S LINE OF QUESTIONING. SO JEANIE, YOU MENTIONED AT THE END OF YOUR PRESENTATION THE, THAT THAT, THAT A O NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT THAT UM, PLAYED INTO THE FACT THAT WE WANTED A STRONG NEXUS TO SEDONA AND SO FORTH, UM, WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT WE, UH, HAVE THEM, UH, EXPEND THE DOLLARS THROUGH A QUALIFIED NONPROFIT. UM, WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON OUR ABILITY TO INFLUENCE THAT OPTION STILL TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO EIGHT O, LOOK WE WERE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ATTRACTIVE ELEMENT OF THESE FUNDS AND IT BEING A REASON THAT PEOPLE WOULD COME HERE JUST FOR THOSE FUNDS AND HENCE WE WANTED THIS REALLY STRONG NEXUS. SO YOU'VE EXPRESSED THAT TO A O AS I UNDERSTAND. HOW DID THEY RESPOND TO THAT? DO THEY RESPECT THAT? DO THEY GO, OH YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE AND IF WE GO WITH THIS NEW OPTION SURE. YOU KNOW, WE COULD ENVISION USING THAT THINKING THROUGH THE QUALIFIED NONPROFIT. I KNOW IT'S LIKE A LONG ONGOING QUESTION, BUT ARE YOU WITH ME STILL? YEAH, PRETTY MUCH. OKAY. SO . SO, UM, THANK YOU COUNSELOR LTZ. UM, SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, YOU'RE ASKING ME IF ADA WAS OPEN TO THE SEDONA CONNECTION. I'M ASKING YOU IF I'M ASKING FOR YOUR CRYSTAL BALL. THAT SHOULD, SO THAT, SHOULD WE, UH, UH, APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF TO DEFER THIS OFF TO A THIRD PARTY, DO YOU THINK A DO WOULD APPRECIATE THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE WANTED TO APPLY AROUND [01:05:01] THE NEXUS IN PARTICULAR? OR ARE THEY GONNA BE MORE FREEWHEELING AND COME ONE COME ALL I KNOW I'M ASKING YOU FOR WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW. I'M ASKING YOUR OPINION ONLY SO I CAN THANK YOU. SO YOU WANT ME TO DO YOU, DO YOU WANNA TAKE THAT ? SURE. I MEAN I CAN, BUT OKAY. BUT WE DID HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH ED O COUNSELOR, LTZ, UM, LIKE I SAID ABOUT THE SEDONA NEXUS AND THE INTEREST OF, UH, THE COUNCIL. UM, AND THEY DID REMIND US THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM THEIR STATE PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS AN UNDERSERVED AREA OF THE STATE FOR THESE TYPES OF SERVICES AND THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN INVESTING THOSE FUNDS IN THIS AREA TO MAKE SURE THOSE SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE. UM, THAT BEING SAID, THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT WAS TO TRY TO SERVE AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE AS AND AND EXPEND THOSE FUNDS ON THESE DIRECT SERVICES AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND SO, UM, THEY WERE NOT, THERE WERE A LITTLE LUKEWARM ABOUT OUR ORIGINAL REQUEST TO SCALE IT DOWN TO JUST THE SEDONA NEXUS BECAUSE, UM, IT DOESN'T MEET THE FULL INTENT OF THE LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR TO GET THESE FUNDS OUT TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. UM, SO I THINK THEY'LL BE RESPECTFUL OF, WE WOULD LIKE SEDONA PEOPLE STILL INCLUDED IN OUTREACH TO HAPPEN HERE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS. BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD ACCEPT THE TRANSFER AND THEN ONLY SPEND THE MONEY IN ON SEDONA NEXUS PEOPLE. I THINK THEY WILL DO VERDE VALLEY REGION BECAUSE THAT'S THE UNDERSERVED REGION OF THE STATE. UM, I GUESS I, MAYBE I DIDN'T QUITE PHRASE MY QUESTION EXACTLY RIGHT. YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO WHAT I'M ASKING. THANK YOU. UM, THIS 875,000 WINDS UP GOING TO A NONPROFIT FOR THE VERDE VALLEY. WOULD YOU ENVISION THAT THROUGH THAT NONPROFIT, NOT JUST SOLELY A SEDONA NEXUS, BUT THEN A VERDE VALLEY NEXUS? YES, I THINK THEY WOULD. IF THE PERSON'S ACCESSING THE SERVICE IN THE VERDE VALLEY AREA, THEN THEY WILL ATTEMPT TO SERVE THEM, I BELIEVE. UM, AND I, I GUESS IF YOU'RE ASKING ON A BIGGER SCALE, IF SOMEONE'S COMING FROM PHOENIX NOW AND TRYING TO GET THE SERVICE UP HERE, WOULD THEY DISTINGUISH THAT AS, YOU KNOW, AN ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA? I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE. I'D HAVE TO ASK, UNLESS THAT IS THE QUESTION I'M TRYING TO ASK. THANK YOU. SO THERE, THERE IS A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT. THERE'S A RESIDENCY PROVISION. WHAT KIND OF RESIDENCY STATES OR UNITED STATES OR VER IN, IN THE AREA. OKAY. RIGHT. OKAY. UH, I THINK THAT'S, GO, GO AHEAD ON THAT FINISH. YEAH. OKAY. HE HE DID. HE DID. HE DID. SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT A NEXUS STILL EXISTS, JUST A NEXUS IS A WIDER AREA OF THE REGION, RIGHT? SURE. ALL THE MONEY GETS SPENT. OKAY. SO ON THAT WE STILL, IS THERE, IS THERE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE HAD THE NEXUS TO SEDONA WILL STILL BE SERVED NOW UNDER THE NEXUS FOR THE REGIONAL, THE WIDER REGIONAL? YES. YES. THANK YOU. I THINK I'M GOOD FOR NOW, MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BRIAN. MELISSA, I'M GONNA JUMP ON THIS THIS FIRST BEFORE I HAVE MY OTHER QUESTIONS. 'CAUSE I, I WANNA MAKE THIS REALLY SIMPLE. I'VE HEARD THINGS LIKE WE BELIEVE WE WILL ASK. UM, THESE ARE ALL VERY SOFT TERMS. I THINK WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS, IS THERE AN ASSURANCE THAT WE WILL BE CONSIDERED, SEDONA WILL BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE VERDE VALLEY TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THE RESOURCES, TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE RESOURCES, SO FORTH AND SO ON, AS OPPOSED TO NO ASSURANCE. IT'S JUST WE'RE IN THE VERDE VALLEY, SO WE'RE GONNA HOPE FOR THE BEST COUNSELOR DUNN. UM, IN THE CONVERSATION WITH ADA STAFF, THEY DID, UM, STATE CLEARLY TO ME THAT WHEN WE REQUEST THE TRANSFER OF THE GRANT, THAT WE COULD, UM, IDENTIFY SOME TERMS FOR THAT AND THEY THREW THINGS OUT. LIKE YOU'LL GET, UM, DATA AND REPORTING THAT YOU REQUEST, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH TELLS ME THAT WE HAVE SOME INFLUENCE ON WHAT THAT NEW CONTRACT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES. JUST THAT THEY'RE SERVING, YOU KNOW, MORE PEOPLE IN THE AREA. AND SO I THINK THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS [01:10:01] ABOUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE X, Y, Z THING HAPPENS BEFORE WE GIVE UP OUR AWARD, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE TRUSTING THEM TO GO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH THE MONEY. RIGHT. BUT WE CAN GET IT SPELLED OUT THAT THIS IS, WE'RE WILLING TO TRANSFER THE AWARD IF THESE THINGS HAPPEN. I GUESS AS WHAT, AND ARE YOU, IS THERE AN EXPECTATION FROM STAFF THAT WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU WHAT THAT LIST IS TONIGHT AS PART OF THIS CONVERSATION? SURE. JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE AWARE OF THAT AS WELL. YES. IF THE COUNCIL'S INTERESTED IN THAT OPTION, THEN YES, ABSOLUTELY. I'D WANNA KNOW WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR REQUESTS ARE SO WE CAN GO BACK AND TALK TO ADA ABOUT THAT. TO, TO PUT THE PAPERWORK TOGETHER FOR A TRANSFER. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I AM COMPLETELY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRANSFERRING OTHER THAN THE MONEY. ARE WE TRANSFERRING JUST, HEY, WE'RE GONNA HELP HOMELESS OR ARE WE TRANSFERRING A RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM REQUEST? MM-HMM . THIS IS A RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM REQUEST. OKAY. SO IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE IS THAT IT ISN'T ABOUT BEING HOMELESS AND JUST BEING HOMELESS. COME HERE, SIT IN YOUR CAR FOR A FEW MONTHS AND YOU HAVE RESIDENCY AND NOW YOU CAN GET SERVICES. THIS IS ABOUT, YOU HAVE TO PAY RENT. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT WITH SOME LANDLORD SOMEWHERE IN THE VERDE VALLEY. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A JOB AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SHOW TO THAT LANDLORD THAT YOUR JOB IS NOT PANHANDLING OVER ITS SAFEWAY, BUT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A REAL JOB. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PROGRAM FROM THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE. AM MY UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY STILL? YEAH. CRYSTAL CLEAR. OKAY. SO, UM, I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, I THINK GENERALLY FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND. THIS IS NOT JUST A SAFE PLACE TO PARK MM-HMM . NEXT STEP UP. YOU, THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT. THIS REQUIRES YOU TO HAVE A JOB. YOU HAVE TO SIGN A LEASE AGREEMENT. YOU'RE NOT GETTING YOUR WHOLE RENT PAID, YOU'RE GETTING SOME SUBSIDY OFF OF YOUR RENT. YOU STILL NEED TO HAVE A JOB, YOU STILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD, YOU JUST CAN'T AFFORD WHAT OUR CURRENT RATE STRUCTURE IS. MM-HMM . OKAY. UM, I WANT TO JUMP BACK FOR A SECOND TO, UM, FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN IN, IN OUR AREA, IN OUR SERVICE AREA, UNDERSTAND THAT NOT ALL OF THEM WILL MEET THE CRITERION AS IT IS CURRENTLY SET FORTH. THEY'RE NOT LIVING IN THE CARS WITH THEIR PARENTS OR, OR LIVING IN A TENT OUT IN THE FOREST WITH THEIR PARENTS. IF THEY'RE COUCH SURFING OR IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, UM, LIVING WITH SOME RELATIVE THAT HAPPENS TO BE HERE, THEY WOULD NOT QUALIFY TO FOR THIS PROGRAM. BUT IF THEY ARE LIVING IN THEIR CAR WITH THEIR PARENTS, UM, OR THEY ARE LIVING IN A TENT IN THE FOREST, THEIR PARENTS ARE WORKING BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT RENT. THEY WOULD BE QUALIFIED. THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM ARE IN WHICH OF THOSE BUCKETS. SO IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE HOPING BY GETTING THE DATA THAT WOULD BE PART OF OUR AGREEMENT HERE IS TO FIND OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THAT BUCKET, WHICH WOULD THEN GIVE US AS A CITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANTED TO TRY AND HELP THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT CURRENTLY ABLE TO MEET THE DEFINITION, NOR CAN THEY MEET THE COST OF, UH, THEIR OWN RENT. DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? YES, YOU DID. OKAY. THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS AND I'M THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY VICE MAYOR. ALL MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YES. SO MY, I'D LIKE TO THANK COUNCILLOR DUNN FOR HAVING THAT CLARITY. THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD THE PROGRAM TO BE AND THAT DOES MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN A WAS GOING TO BE. AND I APPRECIATE THAT, UH, DIFFERENTIATION. SO THANK YOU FOR ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS. ALL OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED, UH, COMPLETELY. UH, DEREK, DO YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CATHOLIC CHARITIES. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA HAVE THEM COME UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE. EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. HI. BRING YOUR MIC UP. OH, SORRY. MY NAME'S KAMI RASMAN. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF HOMELESS SERVICES WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES. AND I'M SANDY FLORES. I'M THE SENIOR PROGRAMS DIRECTOR FOR NORTHERN ARIZONA FOR CATHOLIC CHARITIES. SO Y'ALL DID A PRESENTATION A WHILE BACK WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PLAN B, I GUESS . UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT SERVICES AND ALL THE COORDINATION, EVERYTHING. IF THIS MONEY COMES TO YOU VIA A REDIRECT OF THE FUNDS TO A O IS IT GONNA BE BASICALLY THE SAME PROGRAM? SO I THINK WE WANNA BE REALLY CLEAR THAT, AND I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION THAT THE FUNDS [01:15:01] WOULD GO BACK TO A O IT'S A O'S DECISION TO WRITE A CONTRACT FOR A SUBCONTRACTOR THAT WOULD MEET SPECIFIC POINTS. WOULD WE BE INTERESTED IN HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND COMING TO THE TABLE AND SEEING WHAT THAT IS? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. UM, CAN I SAY ONE OTHER THING? YEAH. OKAY. UM, I THINK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE MCKINNEY-VENTO PROGRAMS IS REALLY POIGNANT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING IS WORKING WITH MCKINNEY LIAISONS IN EVERY COMMUNITY THAT WE WORK WITH TO TRY TO MATCH UP THIS LIST. WE RECOGNIZE THAT THESE FUNDS ARE FOR LITERALLY HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THERE ARE NOT OTHER FUNDS AVAILABLE THAT COULD WORK WITH THAT OTHER POPULATION. AND SO I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS ABOUT LET'S FIGURE OUT WHO THESE FAMILIES ARE, LET'S DETERMINE WHAT BUCKET THEY GO INTO AND DETERMINE AS A COMMUNITY WHAT RESOURCES WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT. AND THAT IS PART OF THE WORK THAT COORDINATED ENTRY DOES. AND THERE ARE SOME EVICTION PREVENTION FUNDS COMING INTO THE COMMUNITIES IN THE NORTH THAT CAN SERVE THOSE FAMILIES. AND THAT'LL BE UP TO, THAT WOULD BE, IF WE DO THIS, THAT WOULD BE UP TO EIGHT OH AND CATHOLIC CHARITIES TO WORK OUT BASICALLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. MAY I ADD ONE MORE THING? SURE. UM, THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAD ABOUT THE REGION AND THE REGIONAL BOUNDARIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE DO HAVE EXISTING CONTRACTS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING THAT HAVE SPECIFIC BOUNDARIES LIMITS FOR THE FUNDS. SO THAT IS SOMETHING I BELIEVE YOU COULD INFLUENCE. YOU COULD SUGGEST THAT IT, IT COVERS A CERTAIN REGION. AREA. GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, LET'S GO TO THE PUBLIC. DAVID KEY WILL BE, FIRST WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ELIZABETH, UH, SAILING. DAVID, DO YOU KNOW THE DRILL NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENT? HELLO, MAYOR COUNCIL, UH, DAVID KEY, A RESIDENT OF SEDONA, UH, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE GREATER SEDONA CHAMBER. UM, SO AS USUAL BEING UP HERE, I'D WANNA TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SPEAKING TO OUR WORKFORCE AND OUR EMPLOYERS. UM, I HAVE HEARD STORIES OF PEOPLE STRUGGLING WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. UM, MIND YOU FOLKS THAT MAY LIVE IN THE REGION, BUT WORK HERE IN SEDONA. SO I DO SUPPORT YOU ALL LOOKING AT A REGIONAL SOLUTION TO A REGIONAL CHALLENGE. I THINK THAT FEELS APPROPRIATE. UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR NATION'S STRUGGLING WITH THESE ECONOMIC ISSUES BECAUSE OF INFLATION, BECAUSE OF A LOT OF PROGRAMS AND FUNDS THAT HAVE CONTINUED ON DESPITE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN COMMUNITIES OR MUNICIPALITIES OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD THEM. NOW, THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE PROGRAMS THAT'S GONNA RUN OFF THE RAILS. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT HAS GREAT, UH, CONDITIONS THAT YOU ALL ARE GONNA PUT AND PLACE ON IT. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT HAS A TIMELINE. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT HAS A SET BUDGET. SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR ANYBODY THAT MIGHT BE HESITANT OR FEARFUL OF A PROGRAM LIKE THIS, WELL IT SEEMS TO HAVE CONSTRAINTS. THIS ISN'T A RUNAWAY TRAIN, AND I DO SYMPATHIZE WITH THOSE WHO COME FROM COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE LARGE POPULATIONS OF FOLKS STRUGGLING WITH HOMELESSNESS. THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE TO RESPOND TO THIS. IT'S A VERY TIMELY ISSUE NOW MORE THAN EVER, INFLATION HAS WAGED ITS WAY THROUGH OUR ECONOMY INFLATED OUR ASSETS AND WAGES HAVE NOT QUITE FOLLOWED SUIT. UM, SO I DO FEEL THIS PROGRAM IS VERY TIMELY. APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION, UM, THE CLARITY THAT YOU ALL PUT INTO THESE DECISIONS. AND, UH, I IMAGINE THAT YOUR WORK IS, IS NOT IN VAIN GENIE. SO THANKS FOR WHAT YOU DO AS WELL. AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR CATHOLIC CHARITIES, IF, IF SO, CALLED UPON, UH, FOR PURSUING THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DAVID. ELIZABETH WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JOE MARTIN, I HAVE TO START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. UM, MY NAME'S ELIZABETH SLAIN AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. UM, AND I'M THE SUPPORT COORDINATOR FOR HOPE HOUSE OF SEDONA. UM, I ALSO WORK AS AN OFFICE ADMIN, ADMIN, OFFICE ASSISTANT AT SEPTON ENGINEERING. AND I'M ALSO THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE PTA AT WEST SEDONA. SO I KNOW FIRSTHAND THE, THE ISSUES WITH HOMELESSNESS, UM, AND MANY DIFFERENT ANGLES. . UM, UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU, UM, TO SUPPORT THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE FUNDING FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN OUR COMMUNITY. UM, IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING SHELTER AND CARE MANAGEMENT, HOPE HOUSE WORKS WITH MULTIPLE LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS, REGIONAL ORGANIZATIONS TO ADDRESS OUR, UH, HOUSING NEEDS. UM, ONE WAY IS THROUGH, UH, SOMETHING CALLED THE NO WRONG DOOR COORDINATED ENTRY FOR THE, UM, COUNTY SYSTEM OF CARE, WHICH IS MANAGED IN OUR PART OF ARIZONA BY CATHOLIC CHARITIES, WHICH IS A HIGHLY CREDIBLE AGENCY OPERATING IN COTTONWOOD. UM, THIS MEANS THAT HOPE HOUSE CAN NOT ONLY SUPPORT FAMILIES LIVING IN THE HOUSE, UH, BUT WE ARE ALSO ABLE TO PROVIDE CRITICAL ACCESS AND NAVIGATION FOR SEDONA RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORS IN CRISIS, CONNECTING THEM WITH HOUSING, OTHER SERVICES AND SUPPORT ACROSS NORTHERN [01:20:01] ARIZONA. UM, THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE FUNDING BEING CONSIDERED TONIGHT WOULD HAVE A DIRECT AND IMMEDIATE IMPACT. UH, IT COULD HELP FAMILIES IN OUR PROGRAM MOVE MORE QUICKLY INTO PERMANENT HOUSING. IT WOULD PREVENT NEW NEWLY UNHOUSED INDIVIDUALS FROM FALLING DEEPER INTO CRISIS. IT WOULD ALSO REDUCE THE LONG-TERM COSTS OF INSTABILITY, BOTH FOR FAMILIES AND FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. UH, STUDIES SHOW THAT UNHOUSED YOUTH ARE NEARLY THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO END UP IN THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM. UM, SO STABLE HOUSING IS NOT ONLY A FOUNDATION FOR WELLNESS AND EDUCATION, BUT ALSO A POWERFUL TOOL IN BREAKING CYCLES OF INCARCERATION AND GENERATIONAL TRAUMA. UM, SO ANYTHING THAT HELPS THE, THE HOMELESS IN SEDONA, I THINK NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. JOE MARTIN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY BILL NEWAN. JOE MARTIN, CITY OF SEDONA. THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. UM, I'M SPEAKING ON THE TOPIC OF REGIONALISM. I REALLY FEEL THAT WHEN WE WORK WITH THE WORKFORCE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, MANY FOLKS ARE COMMUTING INTO SEDONA THAT LIVE IN RIM ROCK, UH, CAMP VERDE, COTTONWOOD, CLARKDALE, AND JEROME. AND WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THIS ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS AS A REGIONAL ISSUE, NOT JUST A CITY OF SEDONA ISSUE. SO I SUPPORT THE, THE CONCEPT OF USING THIS FUNDS TO HELP OUR HOMELESS HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND IN THE REGION. AND I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF MOVING THESE FUNDS, EITHER, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT PHASE TWO, WHERE WE CONTRACT WITH, WITH CATHOLIC SOCIAL OR CATHOLIC CHARITIES, OR WE GIVE IT TO A A O EIGHT OH AND, UH, AND THEN, UH, HAVE THEM ALLOCATE IT. I THINK MY CONCERN AS, UH, LONG-TERM CITIZEN OF ARIZONA IS THAT WE'RE REQ WE ARE RELYING ON THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE STATE TO GIVE US HELP TO PUT THIS MONEY INTO FUNDS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE'RE TRUSTING THE STATE, HELP OUR COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF US MAYBE HAVING MORE CONTROL OVER THOSE FUNDS AS OF DOING PHASE TWO, WHICH IS NOT ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT, BUT I APPRECIATE THE TIME. JUST SAY THAT AGAIN. REGIONALISM IS SUPER IMPORTANT. IT SAVES US MONEY LONG RUN. WE WORK AS A TEAM AND WE MAKE OUR COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITIES AROUND US STRONGER. THEREFORE, WE ARE ALL STRONGER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JOE. BILL NEWAN WILL BE OUR LAST SPEAKER. IF ANYBODY ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK, NOW IS THE TIME TO FILL OUT A CARD. OTHERWISE, BILL WILL BE OUR LAST SPEAKER. BILL NEWAN. I LIVE IN SEDONA. I WANNA READ FROM AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO ALL OF YOU, UH, BY MYSELF AND 56 OTHER LOCAL RESIDENTS WHO OBJECT TO THE STATE GRANT. UH, IT READS IN PART AS FOLLOWS, THAT SEDONA SHOULD NOT REAPPLY FOR THE $875,000 GRANT FROM THE STATE OF ARIZONA. THE GRANT IS A SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM, UH, THE PROGRAM WILL ONLY ATTRACT MORE HOMELESS PEOPLE TO SEDONA AND CAUSE A SERIOUS PROBLEM HERE IN THE FUTURE. IN NOVEMBER, 2024, UH, RESIDENTS OVERWHELMINGLY REJECTED THE CITY'S PLANS TO USE THE EIGHT OH FUNDS FOR A HOMELESS CAR PARK. THE NEW PROPOSAL TO WORK WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES TO SUBSIDIZE HOUSING FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE IS FAR MORE CONTROVERSIAL AND A LESS ACCEPTABLE PROPOSAL. IF A CITY OR STATE PROCEEDS WITH THE HOMELESS SUBSIDY PLAN, UH, IT COULD TEAR SEDONA APART FOR YET ANOTHER YEAR AND UNDERMINE CONFIDENCE IN THE REPRESENTATIVE NATURE OF OUR CITY AND STATE GOVERNMENT. IN ADDITION, SEDONA SHOULD NOT IN ANY WAY COLLABORATE WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES ON ANY SOCIAL PROGRAM THAT NON-GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATION HAS BECOME, HAS BECOME DIVISIVE AND CONTROVERSIAL. AND ITS TAX EXEMPT STATUS WAS REVOKED BY THE WISCONSIN SUPREME COURT AND IS CURRENTLY BEING SCRUTINIZED BY THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS NEITHER CATHOLIC NOR CHARITY CITIES THAT PROVIDE HOMELESS HOUSING DRIVE AWAY LOCAL BUSINESSES. THIS HAPPENED RECENTLY IN KIRKLAND, WASHINGTON. ONE OF THAT CITY'S LARGEST BUSINESSES IS LEFT BECAUSE A HOMELESS FACILITY OPENED THERE. SEDONA WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DIVERSIFY ITS BUSINESS BASE IF IT PROVIDES HOMELESS ACCOMMODATIONS THAT DISCOURAGED NONT TOURISM BASED BUSINESSES FROM MOVING HERE. WE COMMEND SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR VIGOROUSLY ENFORCING ANTI CAMPING ORDINANCES TO MAINTAIN PUBLIC ORDER AND HELP PREVENT A CHRONIC HOMELESS CRISIS. HERE WE ENCOURAGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE STEPS TO DISCOURAGE PANHANDLING BY DRIFTERS LIKE THOSE PROFILED IN A RECENT RED ROCK NEWS ARTICLE, THE UNDERSIGNED URGE THE CITY, THE CITY COUNCIL TO REJECT ANY PLANS TO APPLY FOR THE EIGHT OH GRANT. INSTEAD, THE CITY SHOULD REDOUBLE EFFORTS TO DISCOURAGE A LOCAL HOMELESS CRISIS OF THE KIND THAT RUINED MANY OTHER CITIES IN RECENT YEARS. SO THAT WAS THE END OF THE LETTER, BUT I WANT TO ADD THAT IT'S A BIT OF AN AFFRONT TO THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS, UH, THAT THE CITY RECONSIDERED APPLYING FOR THIS GRANT OR THAT THE STATE OF ARIZONA IS STILL TRYING TO FOIST IT ON US THROUGH THIS. NGO 64% [01:25:01] OF LOCAL RESIDENTS VOTED AGAINST TAKING THESE STATE FUNDS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE MONEY WILL CAUSE MORE HOMELESSNESS HERE. AND IF YOU, UH, DON'T BELIEVE US, THEN READ THE COMMENTS OF A NOMAD WHO WAS INTERVIEWED IN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER AND SAID THAT GIVING FREE THINGS TO HOMELESS PEOPLE MIGHT ENCOURAGE MORE HOMELESS PEOPLE TO BE HERE. BE COMFORTABLE, FEEL WELCOME. I SUBMIT IT'S NOT THE ROLE OF THE CITY OR STATE TO DO THAT. AND IT'S A MISUSE OF PUBLIC FUNDS AND CONTRARY TO THE EXPRESSED WILL OF THE RESIDENTS WHO VOTED AGAINST IT. AND IN MY REMAINING TIME, I WANTED TO ADDRESS THIS IDEA THAT SOMEHOW PEOPLE HAVE TO BE EMPLOYED, UH, TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM. I, I READ, UH, THE CONTRACTS THAT, UH, WERE BEING PROPOSED UNDER THE, THE, THE, THE SECOND, UH, PROPOSAL. AND I, YOU HAVE TO, UH, ADHERE TO HUD GUIDELINES. AND I DON'T THINK THAT YOU CAN, UH, LIMIT IT TO PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEBODY WITH A DISABILITY WHO DOESN'T HAVE A JOB. SO I THINK THAT'S A MISTAKE. OKAY, WE'LL CLOSE THIS PORTION AND, UM, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL FOR FINAL COMMENTS. WE'LL START ON THE SLIDE. ARE YOU READY? OKAY, BRIAN. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANOTHER TOPIC THAT I HAVE THOUGHT MORE ABOUT IN THE LAST 14 MONTHS THAN THE MATTER OF HOMELESSNESS. IT HAS INDEED BEEN DIVISIVE. IT HAS INDEED BEEN STRESSFUL FOR FOLKS, UM, NO MATTER HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THE ISSUE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN THIS WAS IN FRONT OF US IN FEBRUARY THAT I COMMENTED ON WAS THAT THERE'S JUST BEEN A LACK OF CONVERSATION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WITH THE RESIDENTS IN PARTICULAR. AND, AND I STILL FEEL LIKE THAT'S A PROBLEM. AND, UH, I WANT TO THANK THE VICE MAYOR FOR, UH, PARTNERING WITH ME TO SPEAK WITH A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS SINCE THE, UH, LAST TIME THIS TOPIC WAS IN FRONT OF US. SO, UH, WE'VE MET WITH BILL NUNAN AND JOEO WINTER AND SANDY, AM I GONNA GET THIS RIGHT? CIO? BO OCCHIO. ALRIGHT. I'M WORKING ON IT. UM, AND, AND WE'VE MET WITH THESE FOLKS A COUPLE OF TIMES AND WE'VE HAD, UM, SOME VERY ENLIGHTENING CONVERSATIONS. I APPRECIATE IT. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND YOUR PERSPECTIVE. I UNDERSTAND BETTER NOW. UM, I THINK WE ALL SURPRISED EACH OTHER WITH FINDING A LITTLE BIT OF COMMON GROUND ON, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF, UH, CONCERNS OR ISSUES. A FEW OF THEM THAT I WANT TO JUST HIGHLIGHT ARE THAT, YOU KNOW, NOBODY DENIES THAT THERE AREN'T HOMELESS PEOPLE HERE, BUT THERE IS A PERSPECTIVE ABOUT WHETHER IT IS A BIG MONUMENTAL PROBLEM DESERVING OF BIG GOVERNMENT RESOURCES OR NOT. AND, AND IT, WHEN WE'VE SPENT NO MONEY ESSENTIALLY ON IT, TO GO FROM THAT TO 875,000 IN TWO YEARS IS A PRETTY BIG RAMP UP, UH, FOR, UM, ADDRESSING SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I MOST LIKED IN FINDING COMMON GROUND WAS THAT WE DO CARE ABOUT CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE WITHOUT STABLE HOUSING. AND THAT THERE IS AN INTEREST IN BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE NEEDS IN PARTICULAR. UH, SO THAT WAS GOOD. AND, AND ALSO THAT, YOU KNOW, AS MR. NEWAN JUST MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE FELLOW THAT WAS FRONT PAGE ON, UH, RED ROCK NEWS, UH, EXTOLLING THE VIRTUES OF, YOU KNOW, A HOMELESS VAN LIFE, UH, WITH 20 DIFFERENT SIGNS TO PREY ON THE, UM, THE, THE SENSIBILITIES OF PEOPLE, UM, THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. UM, AND I'M GLAD THAT THE, THE CITY MANAGER IS ALREADY WORKING ON THAT WITH, UH, SIGNAGE THAT WILL DISCOURAGE PANHANDLING, UH, AT USUAL SUSPECT, UH, LOCATIONS AROUND TOWN. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, ANNETTE. UM, I'VE ALSO DONE SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, RESEARCH, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT. I'VE SPOKEN WITH A LEADER OF A NONPROFIT THAT FOCUSES ON THE 16 TO 21-YEAR-OLD RANGE OF HOMELESS. AND IT'S, UH, IT'S CALLED COVENANT HOUSE. THEY'RE A INTERNATIONAL NONPROFIT. I ACTUALLY SPOKE TO SOMEBODY IN VANCOUVER, BRITISH COLUMBIA, AND IN SHARING WITH HER THE EXPERIENCE HERE AND THEN LISTENING TO WHAT HAVE BEEN KEY SUCCESS FACTORS FOR, UM, ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS ELSEWHERE, I FOUND THREE GLARING CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR GRANT. UM, NUMBER ONE IS A REPEAT OF WHAT I SHARED AT THE BEGINNING, THAT WE'VE LACKED, UH, COMMUNICATION WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS, OUR RESIDENTS BEING THE PRIMARY ONE. AND I WENT BACK AND I LOOKED AT THE, UH, THE WORK FROM VI ON WHO THEY TALKED TO, AND THEY TALKED TO A GREAT SMATTERING OF, OF FOLKS THAT TOUCH UPON [01:30:01] HOMELESS BUT DIDN'T TALK TO RESIDENTS. SO WE'VE GOT A GAP THERE STILL. UM, WHEN I DESCRIBED THIS PROGRAM, I WAS ASKED, DOES IT, IS IT COMPATIBLE WITH YOUR STRATEGY THAT YOU HAVE? AND I SAID, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ONE YET. AND JUST KIND OF LIKE, THAT'S A REALLY BIG PROGRAM TO TAKE ON WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A STRATEGY. AND THEN THE THIRD PIECE WAS, UH, THAT CONCERNED ME WAS, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO SPEND ON SOMETHING. AND YOU HAVE NO PLAN FOR WHAT TO DO AT THE END OF THE TWO YEARS. SO THEN WHAT? BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE NECESSARILY GONNA MAKE THE PROBLEM GO AWAY. SO I FEEL LIKE AS A CITY, WE STILL HAVE AN AWFUL LOT OF COMMUNICATION TALKING, UNDERSTANDING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. WE NEED A STRATEGY. I KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON THAT, BUT IT STILL HASN'T BROUGHT IN THE IMPORTANT VOICE OF OUR RESIDENTS. AND I REALLY WANNA SEE THAT, UH, ADDRESSED AS WE MOVE FORWARD. IN TERMS OF, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION IN FRONT OF US THIS EVENING. I SUPPORT MOVING THAT MONEY BACK, UH, TO, UH, EIGHT OI CERTAINLY HOPE THAT WE WILL PROVIDE DIRECTION THAT SAYS THAT ANY RECIPIENT NEEDS TO HAVE A STRONG NEXUS THEN TO THE VERDE VALLEY SO THAT IT'S NOT A COME ONE COME ALL. IT'S NOT AN INVITATION FOR VAN LIFERS TO PARTICIPATE, UM, IN THIS, UM, I'D LIKE TO HAVE CONSENSUS FROM MY COLLEAGUES UP HERE THAT WE PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT CHILDREN IN FAMILIES THAT DON'T QUALIFY FOR THIS EIGHT OH PROGRAM. SO THE COUCH SURFING KIDS, THE DOUBLING UP KIDS. I'D LIKE FOR THERE TO BE SUPPORT THAT WE WOULD HAVE STAFF, UH, DETERMINE WHAT COULD BE DONE. AND IF THAT NEEDS TO BE FUNDED WITH SOME CITY MONEY, THEN BRING THAT FORWARD AT A FUTURE TIME. I'D LIKE TO SEE THERE BE A WORKING GROUP. I HOPE THAT COUNCIL WOULD ALSO SUPPORT A WORKING GROUP BEING ESTABLISHED THAT, UH, CAN PROVIDE SOME INPUT ON THIS TOPIC TO STAFF, UH, GOING FORWARD. UH, I THINK THAT PRETTY WELL COVERS ME AT THIS POINT. I CERTAINLY WANNA THANK, UH, JEANNIE AND LAURA, I KNOW YOU ALL PUT A LOT OF ENERGY INTO THIS. I KNOW IT'S WILDLY FRUSTRATING THAT, UH, YOU WORK HARD ON SOMETHING AND THEN THERE'S NOT ALWAYS COMPLETE SUPPORT FOR IT. BUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US LEARNING SOMETHING HERE RIGHT NOW. AGAIN, I WANNA THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE TAKEN THEIR TIME TO SPEAK WITH ME AND THE VICE MAYOR. IT'S REALLY BEEN VERY HELPFUL. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE TIME. AND AGAIN, I INTEND TO SUPPORT THE MOTION, UM, IN THE PACKET TO MOVE THIS MONEY OFF TO A NON, UH, AN A NON AN NGO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, BRIAN. MELISSA. SO I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO THE PAST, I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THE PAST. I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING NOW. AND WHAT I BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE DOING NOW IS I WOULD GO WITH MOVING A DO MONEY FURTHER INTO THE REGION AND ALLOWING US TO DO THE REGIONAL SUPPORT. I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HAVE SOME KIND OF ASSURANCE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE, UM, IN SEDONA HAVE A WAY OF GETTING RESOURCES, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S AT THE LIBRARY TO GET IT OR WHEREVER IT IS, TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE PROGRAMS. THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO CAMP VERDE, WHICH COULD BE A HARDSHIP FOR THEM TO GO THERE TO FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION. UM, FOR SURE. UH, I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR THERE TO BE SOME WAY FOR US TO EMPHASIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A WAY TO, TO REACH OUT TO, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE LITERAL HOMELESS, WHO HAVE CHILDREN, UM, IN OUR COMMUNITY, IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS, TO TRY AND HELP THEM, UM, FIND A WAY TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH TO ME THIS IS MORE ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAN PROVIDING JUST ANYTHING FOR PEOPLE WHO, UM, ARE CURRENTLY LITERALLY HOMELESS. UH, I ALSO DO SUPPORT THE IDEA THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION AT SOME FUTURE DATE AROUND IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO, UM, AS A CITY FOR, FOR THOSE CHILDREN, UM, AND THEIR FAMILIES WHO ARE NOT MEETING THE CRITERIA OF LITERAL HOMELESSNESS, BUT DON'T HAVE A PLACE OF THEIR OWN TO BE AND NO STABILITY AS THEY MAY BE ASKED TO MOVE. AND IF THEY'RE A TEENAGER, THEY MAY BE SURFING, COUCH SURFING BY THEMSELVES. UM, AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A HEALTHY THING TO DO EITHER. SO, UM, I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, UM, TO COUNSELOR FO'S POINT FOR US TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH STAFF. AND OF COURSE IT'LL BE, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY OF YOU ALSO AGREE, BUT I WOULD MOVE TO GO AHEAD AND, AND MOVE THE MONEY OUT INTO THE REGION. UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE FOR US [01:35:01] TO HAVE SOME ASSURANCE THAT IT WILL HELP AS A FORM OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN SEDONA FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN SEDONA. THANK YOU, MELISSA. VICE MAYOR. I ALSO SUPPORT MOVING THE GRANT, UH, EXCUSE ME, FROM SEDONA TO, UH, AN NGO IN THE VERDE VALLEY AND SERVE THE VERDE VALLEY. YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THE GRANT WOULD SERVE BY BACK BACKDOORING INTO IT, YOU KNOW, SAYING IT WOULD BE AN AVERAGE OF $5,000 AND HERE'S 875,000. SO THEREFORE IT WOULD SERVE THIS NUMBER OF PEOPLE. AND THAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE, IT WAS A HUNDRED, 150 IS MORE THAN WE HAVE IN SEDONA TO SERVE. SO I DON'T SUPPORT A SMALLER PROGRAM BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO SEE ALL THE MONEY IN BEING USED IN THE VERDE VALLEY 'CAUSE IT IS AN UNDERSERVED COMMUNITY. AND IF THE MONEY WAS TO RETURNED TO BE RETURNED TO EIGHT OH, AND WE KEPT IT HERE WITH THAT SMALLER AMOUNT, WE HAVE NO ASSURANCES AT ALL THAT IT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE USED IN, IN THE VERDE VALLEY. SO I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT WE ARE A REGION AND OUR CONSULTANT TOLD US THAT PEOPLE MOVE ALL THROUGHOUT OUR REGION. SO IT'S NOT WHERE THEY'RE, UH, MAYBE IN THIS FOREST TODAY AND IN CAMP VERDE TOMORROW. I'M ALSO MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT RENTAL ASSISTANCE FOLLOWING THIS ONE. AND IN LOOKING AT DOING SOME RESEARCH AND, AND, UH, TALKING WITH JEANNIE TODAY, WE HAVE CURRENT AVAILABLE RENTALS INFORMATION FROM ZILLOW, NO, NOT SCIENTIFIC, BUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S FOR RENT AND A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT. RIGHT NOW THERE'S 21 2 BEDROOM APARTMENTS ON THE MARKET WITH AN AVERAGE RENT OF $3,277. THAT IS MORE MONEY THAN A TYPICAL MEMBER OF OUR WORKFORCE IF THEY'RE IN THE HOSPITALITY BUSINESS CAN AFFORD. SO IN THINKING ABOUT, AND IN, FOR A THREE BEDROOM, IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY AND YOU NEED A THREE BEDROOM, THERE ARE 18 AVAILABLE WITH AN AVERAGE RENT OF $4,795. SO THE LIKELIHOOD THAT, THAT WE WOULD FIND RENTALS IN SEDONA IS VERY, VERY LOW. SO WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH THE VERDE VALLEY TO SERVE OUR WORKFORCE AND OUR COMMUNITY. SO I, I REALLY SUPPORT THIS REGIONAL IDEA, BUT I WOULD, UH, I WOULD REQUEST FROM A O REMOVE THE MONEY TO AN NGO THAT THERE BE A LOCATION IN EACH COMMUNITY IN THE VERDE VALLEY WHERE THE COORDINATED CASE ENTRY IS CONDUCTED. THEREFORE, WE DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR SEDONA FOLKS CAN GO, UH, TO SEDONA OR THEY CAN GO TO SOME OTHER COMMUNITY WITHIN THE VERDE VALLEY TO APPLY. AND THAT WAY THERE'S NOT ONE CENTRAL PLACE, BUT THERE'S, IT'S DISPERSED AND IT COULD ACCOMMODATE WHETHER WHERE THEY WORK OR WHERE THEY LIVE, WHICH MAY BE THE SAME PLACE, AND IT MAY NOT BE THE SAME PLACE. SO I, I WOULD REQUEST THAT I, AND ALSO ASSURANCES THAT OUR RESIDENTS WOULD BE SERVED, THOUGH THOSE FOLKS WHO HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE RESIDENT, HAVE NEXUS TO SEDONA. AND WE CAN DEFINE, WE HAVE TO FIND THAT SO WE CAN PUT THAT IN WRITING. AND THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR DEREK. UH, SO FIRST OFF, I, I JUST WANNA RESPOND TO COMMENTS MADE BY A MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE. UM, 64% OF VOTERS DID NOT REJECT THIS GRANT. THEY REJECTED SAFE PLACE TO PARK, WHICH WAS TIED TO THIS GRANT, BUT THAT WAS ALL THE REFERENDUM TALKED ABOUT, WAS SAFE PLACE TO PARK, THAT'S WHAT GOT VOTED DOWN. UH, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A FACILITY. UH, SOMEONE SAID WE'RE GONNA LOSE BUSINESS IF WE BUILD A FACILITY HERE. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A FACILITY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RENTAL ASSISTANCE. UM, WAS ALSO THE COMMENT THAT CATHOLIC CHARITIES TAX STATUS WAS IN, IN DANGER. UM, I LISTENED TO THE ORAL ARGUMENTS BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT. UH, NO, IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE SUPREME COURT IS GONNA SIDE WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES ON THIS CASE. SO I, YOU KNOW, [01:40:02] THOSE ARE ALL SORT OF AS AN ASIDE, BUT, UM, I SUPPORT THE MONEY GOING BACK TO A O UH, TO BE REFERRED TO A LOCAL QUALIFIED ORGANIZATION. UM, THE HOMELESSNESS HERE IS A REGIONAL ISSUE. YOU KNOW, AS OUR CONSULTANTS SAID, WE HAVE PEOPLE MOVING, YOU KNOW, IN AND OUT OF THE, IN AND OUT OF THE AREA. UH, AND I THINK THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO USE IT, UH, TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM AT A, AT A REGIONAL LEVEL. UM, I THINK THE MONEY, I THINK WHEN WE SEND IT BACK TO A O OR NOT SEND IT BACK, I GUESS WE DON'T EVEN HAVE IT NOW, BUT REFER IT BACK TO A OI DON'T THINK WE ATTACH STRENGTHS TO IT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. WE WANNA SAY, OKAY, WELL WE, WE'RE GONNA GIVE THE MONEY BACK, BUT WE WANT ASSURANCES FROM YOU TO, YOU'RE GONNA DO A, B, C, AND D. NO, JUST LET IT GO BACK TO EIGHT. OH, LET THEM DO IT. UH, LET THEM SERVE THE VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITY. WE'RE PART OF THAT COMMUNITY. UH, SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS, UH, HOMELESS RESIDENTS WILL BENEFIT FROM IT. UM, BUT I JUST, I DON'T THINK, WE DON'T NEED OUR NAME ON THIS. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A SEDONA PROGRAM. WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE OUR HAND ON THE STEERING WHEEL. UH, I GUESS THE ONLY QUALIFIER I WOULD ADD IS THAT WE WANT THE DATA. UH, I WOULD SAY WE WANNA SEND THIS MONEY BACK, BUT WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE GET THE DATA SO THAT WE CAN USE IT IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE WANT TO TRY TO DEAL WITH THIS ON OUR OWN INSTEAD OF USING GRANT MONEY. SO, PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS, UH, OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE ON THE DIOCESE. SHORTENED MY TIME AT THE MIC HERE TODAY. I DO ALSO SUPPORT THE TRANSFER. UH, IT IS REGIONAL PROBLEM AND REGIONAL SOLUTIONS ARE THE RIGHT, UH, APPROACH. UH, I AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR FAFF ABOUT UPDATES. WE SHOULD BE KIND OF SPECIFIC ABOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE DATA SHOWS, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS THING. AND I REALLY DON'T WANT IT TO BE JUST A REPORT TO STAFF EITHER. I THINK THAT THIS ITEM SHOULD SURFACE BACK IN PUBLIC AND TO THE COUNCIL, WHETHER IT'S PERSONALLY AT A COUNCIL MEETING OR JUST SOME TYPE OF REPORT. I LEAVE THAT TO OTHERS TO DECIDE ABOUT HOW THAT SHAKES OUT. SOME OF IT WILL BE WHAT'S IN THE REPORT, BUT, UM, WE SHOULD KNOW AND WE SHOULD LEARN. 'CAUSE THERE IS A LOT ABOUT THIS ISSUE THAT, UH, OUR COMMUNITY DOES NOT KNOW. AND SO WE NEED TO LEARN. UH, I DO, UH, SUPPORT THE IDEA OF, OF WORKING GROUP TO, UH, UH, WORK WITH SCHOOLS, UH, OR, OR ON THIS ISSUE. I THINK THAT WAS THE PROPOSAL IN GENERAL. I, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD, AND, UH, I, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME TYPE OF LOCAL PRESENCE, UH, IN THIS REGIONAL PROGRAM HERE IN SEDONA. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FREQUENCY OF THE LOCATION SHOULD BE, THAT'S FOR OTHERS TO DECIDE, BUT AT LEAST THERE SHOULD BE SOME COMMITMENT TO COMING THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY AT SOME FREQUENCY TO SEE IF WE CAN ADDRESS PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING OR KIDS IN SCHOOL, OR THAT MAY QUALIFY FOR THE PROGRAM 3, 4, 5, BEYOND JUST THIS PROGRAM. I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE US TO ADDITIONALLY ENGAGE WITH THE NONPROFIT THAT IS SELECTED HERE, UH, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, BUILD AND DEEPEN THE RELATIONSHIP THAT EXISTS WITH, UM, UH, AN ENTITY. PERHAPS NOT LO UH, UH, UH, HOMED IN SEDONA. UH, WE NEED TO BE GOOD PARTNERS IN THE REGIONAL, UH, IN THE VERDE VALLEY ON THIS ISSUE. AND IF IT'S AN ENTITY THAT EXISTS IN COTTONWOOD OR CAMP VERDE, THAT DOESN'T STOP US FROM, UH, WORKING WITH THEM. TALKING WITH THEM. AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MAY BE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE THAT THERE'S A FUNDING REQUEST THAT I WOULD BE WILLING TO LISTEN TO, UH, ON THIS ISSUE. AND, AND, AND ADDITIONALLY WORKING WITH THE SCHOOLS, UH, NOT JUST THROUGH THE GRANT, BUT ACTUALLY US REACHING OUT TO NOT JUST, UH, THE, THE PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT THERE ARE OTHER SCHOOLS IN TOWN THAT WE NEED TO TALK WITH AND UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF THEIR STUDENTS. UM, YEP. SO THAT MY COMMENTS. THANK MAYOR. THANK YOU PETE. KATHY, THANK YOU. UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK COUNCILOR FAF FOR THOSE CLARIFICATIONS. 'CAUSE WE'VE DISCUSSED THEM IN OTHER MEETINGS, BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT YES, THE WISCONSIN CATHOLIC CHARITIES HAS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ARIZONA CATHOLIC CHARITIES, AND IT'S, I THINK IT IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION FOR THE RECORD. UM, THE OTHER, TAKING IT A STEP FURTHER, IT IS THE VOTE THAT HAPPENED. UM, THE RECALL VOTE, THE REFERENDUM VOTE WAS ACTUALLY A VOTE ON ZONING TO NOT CHANGE ZONING TO ALLOW A PROGRAM FOR SAFE PLACE TO PARK. SO I CAN'T EQUATE THAT TO SAYING GRANT MONEY CAN'T BE USED TO SERVE A NEED, A POPULATION IN NEED. I SEE THESE AS SEPARATE ISSUES, UH, ZONING FROM, UH, A, A SERVICE NEED. UM, THAT BEING SAID, JUST AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATIONS. I, [01:45:01] I ALSO SUPPORT THE TRANSFER OF THIS BACK TO AN NGO. I THINK THAT THAT'S THE BEST USE OF THE FUNDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE UTILIZED TO MEET THE GOALS THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD, WHICH IS TO SERVE THE HOMELESS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVE A NEXUS TO SEDONA THAT ARE WORKING IN SEDONA THAT MAY BE LIVING IN THE FOREST, THAT MAY BE LIVING OR HAVE, BE STAYING ON THE STREETS IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY. WHATEVER THE SITUATION IS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FULL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE FROM THE STATE CAN BE UTILIZED. AND I DO WORRY ABOUT TYING UP FUNDS, UM, THAT WOULDN'T BE UTILIZED IF WE DO NOT MAKE THAT TRANSFER. I DO THOUGH ALSO IT WAS, UM, OUR CITY MANAGER SAID THAT ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT WAS DIRECTING STAFF TO DEVELOP SOMETHING WITH OUR OWN FUNDS THAT WOULD MEET THE SPECIFIC NEEDS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO LAY OUT. AND I THINK EVERYBODY UP HERE SPOKE TO THAT. FOR ME SPECIFICALLY, THAT HAS TO DO WITH WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL AS WELL AND TRYING TO SERVE, UH, THE FAMILIES THAT, THAT, THAT ARE HOMELESS, THAT HAVE CHILDREN IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HERE. BUT I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER PREPARED. I DON'T WANT TO CONFLATE THESE, THESE ITEMS. UM, SO I AM WILLING TO TRANSFER THIS AWARD. ALSO, THOUGH, I DO LIKE THE IDEA, UM, OF THERE BEING SOME ASSURANCE MADE ABOUT, I DON'T WANT SEDONAS PERSONS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS TO GET, TO HAVE OBSTACLES IN THEIR WAY OF APPLYING. SO I, LIKE, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO IT WAS THAT SAID ABOUT HAVING A, A LOCAL PRESENCE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO APPLY. I DON'T WANT AN OBSTACLE BEING THAT SOMEBODY WHO'S IN SEDONA, UH, HAS TO GET TO COTTONWOOD OR CAMP VERDE TO MAKE AN APPLICATION. SO I DO THINK I'D LIKE SOME ASSURANCE THAT THERE'LL BE SOME WAY TO ENABLE TO MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT AN, TO HAVE AN OBSTACLE REMOVED. AND THAT I WOULD ASSURE THAT THAT NEXUS, AT LEAST IN THEORY, STILL DOES EXIST IN TERMS OF APPLICATION. I UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT WILL BE THE AWARD, AND I AGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT THAT THAT WOULD BE FOR REACHING US, TRYING TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. BUT I THINK IN ORDER TO APPLY, I THINK THAT IS A REQUEST THAT WE CAN FIRMLY PUT OUT, STRONGLY PUT OUT THERE. UM, SO WITH THOSE COMMENTS, AGAIN, I, I SUPPORT THIS TRANSFER. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, UH, DEREK, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THOSE, UH, POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP. AGAIN, UH, I I THINK IT'S DISAPPOINTING THAT, UH, CATHOLIC CHARITIES WAS BROUGHT UP IN A NEGATIVE LIGHT, UH, FOR SOMETHING THAT AN ORGANIZATION ACROSS THE COUNTRY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR, NOT THE ONE IN ARIZONA. IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING THAT THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE SEPARATE, HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH, UH, WISCONSIN, HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH OTHER PARTS, EVEN BACK EAST. OKAY? THIS IS A SEPARATE ORGANIZATION THAT IS ALREADY VETTED BY THE STATE OF ARIZONA. SO, UH, BUT YET IT CONTINUES TO COME UP AND IT'S, THAT'S KIND OF DISAPPOINTING. UM, BRIAN, THANK YOU FOR ALSO MENTIONING, UH, EVERYTHING THAT YOU DID BEFORE ABOUT ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY. I APPRECIATE THAT. UH, I WASN'T AWARE, AND THAT'S REALLY GOOD THAT YOU TWO WERE ABLE TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU SAID THAT THERE, EVERYBODY WAS ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN IT CAME TO CHILDREN, THE HOMELESS CHILDREN. AND THAT IS MAKES ME FEEL REALLY GOOD. UH, BECAUSE LAST TIME I WAS TOLD BY OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, THERE ARE 20 CHILDREN THAT ARE HOMELESS IN SOME WAY, COUCH SURFING, LIVING IN THE FOREST WITH THEIR PARENTS OR WHATEVER. BUT IT'S, IT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM. SO I ALSO WOULD SUPPORT THE, UM, CREATION OF EITHER A COMMITTEE THAT I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT LOOKING AT, UH, THE HOMELESS FOR CHILDREN. IF WE CAN HELP THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, ANY OF THE SCHOOLS IN OUR COMMUNITY, NOT JUST OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, WHETHER IT'S THE, THE CHARTER SCHOOL, UH, RUNNING RIVER, WHATEVER IT IS, UH, IF WE COULD LOOK AT EVEN LEGALLY DOING THAT WITHOUT THE GIFT CLAUSE COMING INTO PLAY, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. UM, LET'S SEE. I DON'T SUPPORT, UH, PUTTING RESTRICTIONS ON A DO. THEY, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THEY DO IT BEST. THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES, THEY HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP. LET THEM FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING HERE IN SEDONA THAT, UH, I THINK KATHY MENTIONED, OTHERS HAD MENTIONED THIS WAY, THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WILL HAVE A DIRECT LINK. OF COURSE, WE HAVE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO ARE HIGHLY TRAINED IN DEALING WITH THE HOMELESS, UH, CONDITIONS IN OUR CITY. AND IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH A, UH, A HOMELESS OFFICER, THAT WOULD BE, UH, A, A GREAT ASSET FOR US. UH, I TOTALLY WILL SUPPORT, UH, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, GIVE THE MONEY BACK OR WE CAN'T GIVE IT BACK, AS WE SAID, UH, SHIFT THE RESPONSIBILITY BACK TO A DO. SO, CAN I HAVE A, UM, [01:50:01] A MOTION PLEASE? OKAY. MELISSA, I MOVE TO DIRECT STAFF TO REQUEST THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING TO TRANSFER THE A O HOMELESS SHELTER AND SERVICES FUND GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $875,638 TO A QUALIFIED NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION FOR INDEPENDENT ADMINISTRATION WITHIN THE VERDE VALLEY. I'LL SECOND THAT. KATHY SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY A MAYOR, I'M SORRY. POINT ORDER. I'D LIKE TO ASK YES, PLEASE. A QUESTION OF THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT WHETHER YOU FEEL YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH DIRECTION ABOUT YOUR NEGOTIATIONS WITH A O 'CAUSE I HEARD A VARIETY OF OPINIONS UP ON THE DIOCESE, SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE YOU THINK WE LANDED. THANK YOU, COUNSELOR FURMAN. I WAS TAKING NOTES AS ALL OF YOU WERE SPEAKING, AND SO I DO HAVE, UM, A MAJORITY, UM, COMMENTING ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS, UM, ACCESS AVAILABLE IN THE SEDONA AREA, AND THAT IT'S IN, THAT THE MONEY IS SPENT IN THE VERDE VALLEY REGION. UM, I THINK THOSE WERE THE TWO PRIMARY ONES. AND THE DATA, THE DATA, THE DATA, THE COLLECTION OF THE DATA, AND THE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE WHOEVER IS SELECTED TO SERVICE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THAT'S GOOD FOR YOU, MAYOR. UH, FOLLOWING ON THAT, PLEASE, ANNETTE, WHAT DO YOU THINK WAS THE, UH, CONSENSUS UP HERE ABOUT RESTRICTION ASKING FOR RESTRICTIONS ON THE GRANT IN TERMS OF A NEXUS TO LIVING IN THE VERDE VALLEY? I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE HEARD LIKE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE HAVING YOUR CAKE AND EATING IT TOO PART, AND, AND I'M ALL FOR HAVING IT BOTH WAYS ON THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I'M IN THE MINORITY OR MAJORITY ON THIS. I'M UNSURE. SO I HEARD A MAJORITY OF YOU SAY THAT, UM, YOU SUPPORT THE REGIONAL APPROACH, THAT YOU SUPPORT THIS GRANT BEING ALLOCATED TO SOMEONE THAT'S SERVING THE VERDE VALLEY, MAKING SURE THAT SEDONA RESIDENTS HAVE, UM, EQUAL ACCESS, EASY ACCESS AS WELL. UM, AND I DID HEAR FROM CATHOLIC CHARITIES TESTIMONY THAT A O DOES FREQUENTLY HAVE CONTRACTS THAT HAVE A GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARY ESTABLISHED. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S DIFFICULT TO ASK FOR THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S LIKE A BIG STRING THAT, UM, FOLKS MIGHT BE CONCERNED ABOUT. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. I DO PLAN TO COMMUNICATE THAT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. THANKS, BRIAN. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? WE ARE UNANIMOUS. OKAY. OKAY. VICE MAYOR, I WAS GONNA TAKE A BREAK. I, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING. I THINK WHEN WE HAVE PROGRAMS THAT ARE THIS DIVISIVE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AND THIS CONTROVERSIAL IN OUR COMMUNITY, THAT WE SHOULD ESTABLISH WORKING GROUPS AND BRING IN COMMUNITY MEMBERS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE BETTER ENGAGEMENT, BETTER UNDERSTANDING, AND HOPEFULLY AVOID, UH, ANTAGONISM AND HOSTILITY SO WE CAN, I THINK WE FOUND WHEN WE WERE ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THAT WE ACTUALLY WERE CLOSER, UH, IN OUR POINT OF VIEW AND PERSPECTIVE. THEN ONE WOULD IMAGINE, BUT PEOPLE GET DIVIDED INTO CAMPS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S THEM AND US. SO I, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT, THAT WE, WE CHANGE A LITTLE BIT OF THE WAY WE OPERATE. MAYBE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. MM-HMM . DISCUSS IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, 20 MINUTE BREAK. WE'LL COME BACK AT A QUARTER TO SEVEN. WE ARE BACK AND THE CLERK IS IN THE SEAT. OKAY, [8.b. AB 3204 Discussion/possible action for approval of amendment to the Rent Local Program by raising the monthly rental cap to $2,500 to better align with current market rates and encourage more homeowners to participate.] WE ARE BACK. ITEM EIGHT B AB 32 0 4. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION FOR APPROVAL OF, OF AMENDMENT TO THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM BY RAISING THE MONTHLY RENTAL CAP TWO 2,500 TO BETTER ALIGN WITH CURRENT MARKET RATES AND ENCOURAGE MORE HOMEOWNERS TO PART PARTICIPATE. I GUESS IT'S GONNA BE YOU, JENNY. OKAY. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. UM, COUNSELORS, UH, MAYOR V AND VICE MAYOR. SO, UM, YES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM AND WE, WE SIMPLY WANT TO RAISE THE MONTHLY RENTAL CAP TO $2,500 PER MONTH FROM THE ORIGINAL $2,200 PER MONTH. SO WE WANT TO DO THIS TO BETTER ALIGN WITH CURRENT MARKET RATES AND ENCOURAGE MORE HOMEOWNERS TO PARTICIPATE, [01:55:01] THEREBY CREATING A LARGER HOUSING INVENTORY AND MORE, MORE HOUSING FOR, UM, UH, PEOPLE WHO NEED IT, PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE, UH, OUR WORKFORCE IN SEDONA. SO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND AND OVERVIEW. THE PURPOSE OF THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM, IT WAS CREATED IN RESPONSE. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT WAS CREATED BACK IN 2022 WAS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE INCREASING CONVERSION OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES INTO SHORT TERM RENTALS, WHICH EXACERBATED THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHORTAGE FOR SEDONAS LOCAL WORKFORCE. UM, THE PROGRAM DOES OFFER FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO HOMEOWNERS TO CONVERT THEIR PROPERTIES INTO FROM SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES INTO LONG-TERM RENTALS FOR LOCAL WORKERS. THE PROGRAM WAS OFFICIALLY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL IN AUGUST OF 2022, AND THE INITIAL BUDGET WAS $240,000. UH, MODIFICATIONS WERE MADE FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, IN TESTING IT OUT FROM AUGUST, 2022, CAME BACK BEFORE COUNCIL IN DECEMBER OF 2022 TO ENHANCE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PROGRAM. WHO IS THE PROGRAM DESIGNED TO HELP? WELL, IT'S DESIGNED TO HELP OUR MID TO LOW INCOME WORKFORCE. UM, TYPICALLY THOSE IN THE 80 TO ONE 150% A MI RANGE, UH, ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME RANGE. UM, SO BY MAKING THIS SMALL INCREASE IN THE RENTAL CAP, WE CAN, AGAIN, WE CAN BRING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE PROGRAM. UM, WE CAN INCREASE, UH, THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF IT FOR MORE HOMEOWNERS, AND WE CAN MAKE MORE INVENTORY AVAILABLE TO MORE RENTERS. UH, WE DID ACTUALLY SPEAK WITH INTERESTED CITIZENS WHO, UM, HOMEOWNERS THAT WERE INTERESTED IN THE PROGRAM. AND, UM, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T PULL THE $2,500 OUT OF THE AIR BY MAGIC. WE TALKED TO CITIZENS AND THEY INDICATED, SEVERAL OF THEM INDICATED THAT IF WE DID RAISE THE CAP TO $2,500 INSTEAD OF THE $2,200, THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO CONVERT THEIR HOMES, UM, INTO LONG-TERM RENTALS. SO, TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT, UH, HAS HAPPENED, UH, IN THE PROGRAM SO FAR SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 20 22, 7 PROPERTIES WERE ENROLLED. OKAY? THAT'S, UM, NOT A LOT, RIGHT? SEVEN PROPERTIES WERE ENROLLED. IT HOU IT WAS HOUSING 19 INDIVIDUALS. UH, THREE OF THOSE HOUSEHOLDS DID RENEW THEIR LEASES IN YEAR TWO. SO THAT WAS GOOD. THEY EXTENDED THEIR LEASE. UM, THE RENT FOR THE PARTICIPATING PROPERTIES IN THE PROGRAM NOW IS 1500, BASICALLY $1,500 A MONTH TO $2,200 A MONTH. UM, THE, IN THE INCENTIVE, THE INCENTIVE FOR THE PROGRAM, UM, FOR THE THREE BEDROOM HOMES, THOSE HOMEOWNERS WOULD CURRENTLY RECEIVE A $10,000 INCENTIVE, UH, FROM THE CITY IN ADDITION TO GETTING THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR RENT PAYMENTS FROM THE TENANTS. UM, SO, BUT DESPITE PROGRAM EFFORTS, THE PARTICIPATION RATES DO REMAIN LOW BECAUSE THE RENTAL CAPS ARE KIND OF MISALIGNED WITH, UH, OUR MARKET RATES. SO WHY DO WE NEED, WHY DO WE NEED TO CHANGE? WHY DO WE NEED TO ADJUST THE RENT? LOCAL PROGRAM, $2,200 RENTAL CAP FOR THREE BEDROOM HOMES NO LONGER ALIGNS WITH THE CURRENT MARKET RATE, WHICH HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY. UM, THEY, WE'VE HAD IN INQUIRY INQUIRIES INTO THE PROGRAM 49 TOTAL IN INQUIRY INQUIRIES WITH MOST POTENTIAL PARTICIPANTS HAVE BEEN DISCOURAGED BECAUSE THE RENTAL CAP IS BELOW WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW, CAN, CAN BEAR. SO IT'S BELOW MARKET RATE. UM, AS OUTLINED IN THE AGENDA BILL, THERE IS A DISPARITY BETWEEN, UM, SO I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MARKET DATA. SO THERE'S A DISPARITY BETWEEN THE HUD REPORTED FAIR MARKET RATE FOR YAVAPAI COUNTY AND SEDONAS REAL CURRENT, UH, RENTAL MARKET. SO ACCORDING TO HUD FAIR MARKET RENTS FOR YAVAPAI COUNTY, THIS IS IN TOTAL, UH, RANGE FROM A ONE BEDROOM IS ABOUT $1,200 [02:00:01] A MONTH. IT GOES UP TO A THREE BEDROOM IS $2,050 PER MONTH, RIGHT? BUT IN THE CURRENT SEDONA MARKET, WE DID KIND OF LIKE AN AD HOC STUDY ON WHAT THE CURRENT, UM, MARKET RATES FOR, FOR SEDONA. THESE RANGE FROM ONE BEDROOM 1700 A MONTH TO A THREE BEDROOM, 3,500 A MONTH AVERAGE. SO THAT'S A LITTLE, THAT'S A DISPARITY BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, TOTAL YAVAPAI COUNTY. SO, UM, THIS DISPARITY REALLY DOES UNDERSCORE THE MISALIGNMENT OF THE CURRENT RENTAL CAP IN THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS WE WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE THE MONTHLY RENTAL CAP FROM, AGAIN, FROM 2200 TO 2,500 FOR THREE BEDROOM HOMES. THE $2,500 CAP COMBINED WITH THE $10,000 INCENTIVE FOR A THREE BEDROOM HOME WOULD BRING THE TOTAL RENT CLOSER TO THE MARKET RATE OF $3,500, MAKING THE PROGRAM MORE FINANCIALLY ATTRACTIVE TO HOMEOWNERS. SO IF YOU WERE TO CHARGE A $2,500 RENT, YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY 12 MONTHS AND YOU ADD IN THE $10,000 INCENTIVE AND YOU DIVIDE, YOU DIVIDE THAT BY 12 ACTUALLY. UM, AND THEN YOU GET SOMETHING MORE IN LINE $3,333 PER MONTH, WHICH IS CLOSER TO THE 3,500 THAT, UM, IS CURRENT, IS A CURRENT AVERAGE. UM, BY MAKING THE ADJUSTMENT, WE WOULD, AGAIN, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE PARTICIPATION. THE 25, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, THE CAP WITH THE INCENTIVE INCENTIVIZE INCENTIVIZES THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO PARTICIPATE. THEY GET MORE OF A COMPETITIVE RATE, A MORE ATTRACTIVE RETURN FOR LONG-TERM RENTALS. AND THE MOST IMPORTANT IN MY VIEW IS THAT IT DOES SUPPORT THE WORKFORCE HOUSING THE INCREASE IN THE, THE RENT, UM, WILL BROADEN THE PROGRAM'S REACH, ENABLING MORE LOCAL WORKERS LIKE FAMILIES THAT NEED A LARGER HOME TO ACCESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN SEDONA, RIGHT? SO, UM, AGAIN, THERE'S FINANCIAL INCENTIVE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER. THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE RENT BY RAISING IT. UM, IT WILL PROVIDE A STABLE INCOME STREAM TO PROPERTY OWNERS. THE COMMUNITY IMPACT IS PRETTY GOOD BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNERS WILL CONTRIBUTE TO SOLVING THE LOCAL HOUSING CRISIS. THAT IT ENHANCES COMMUNITY STABILITY, IT CREATES GOODWILL AND THE LONG-TERM INVESTMENT. HOMEOWNERS CAN BENEFIT FROM MAINTAINING THEIR PROPERTIES AS LONG-TERM RENTALS, YOU KNOW, UH, REDUCING MAINTENANCE COSTS ASSOCIATED THAT COULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH TURNOVER. WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THERE ARE POSITIVE BENEFITS FOR THE RENTERS. UM, INCREASED HOUSING ACCESS, RIGHT? THE EXPANSION INCREASES THE AVAILABILITY OF HOUSING, PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE IN NEED OF LARGER HOMES. FAMILIES, RENTERS, ESPECIALLY FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN, WILL HAVE ACCESS TO WIDER INVENTORY. UM, THE LONG-TERM RENTAL AGREEMENTS PROVIDE RENTERS WITH HOUSING STABILITY, WHICH IS VITAL FOR LOCAL WORKERS LOOKING TO ESTABLISH ROOTS IN SEDONA. AND ALTHOUGH THE $2,500 IS STILL LOWER, WORKS OUT TO BE LOWER THAN THE FULL MARKET RATE OF 3,500, RIGHT, WHICH I MENTIONED THE ADDITION OF THE $10,000 INCENTIVE MAKES THE RENT MORE AFFORDABLE THAN TYPICAL MARKET RATES, HELPING LOCAL FAMILIES FIND STABLE HOUSING OPTIONS. SO, UM, FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS FOR THE CITY, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A BIG IMPACT, RIGHT? SO THE INITIAL BUDGET ALLOCATION WAS $240,000 IN THE, SO I'M GONNA TELL YOU NOW THE INCENTIVES THAT WE PAID IN 23, 24, 25. IN 23, WE PAID EIGHT $8,500 IN INCENTIVES. IN FISCAL YEAR 25, WE PAID, I'M, I'M SORRY, IN A FISCAL YEAR 24, WE PAID $31,250 [02:05:02] IN INCENTIVES. AND THEN IN 25 TO DATE, WE HAVE PAID 14,250. WE HAVE REMAINING BUDGET, UM, I THINK IT'S LIKE 85,000 IN, IN, IN OUR BUDGET. AND, UM, MOVING FORWARD, WE DO HAVE, UM, BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR AS WELL. SO THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL COSTS TO THE CITY BUDGET. THE PROPOSED ADJUSTMENT WILL NOT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL FUNDS. UM, THE INCENTIVE AMOUNTS WILL REMAIN THE SAME. THE ONLY CHANGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THIS MINOR ADJUSTMENT TO THE RENTAL CAP, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN MODIFIED FOR THREE YEARS. IT'S THE ADJUSTMENT IS DESIGNED TO CLOSE THE GAP, UM, BETWEEN FAIR MARKET RENT AND THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM RENTAL RATES, ALLOWING FOR THE PROGRAM TO NET WIDEN THE REACH WITHOUT INCREASING THE OVERALL COST TO THE CITY. UM, AND WHAT WE EXPECT IS THAT THERE WILL BE THE INCREASE IN THE RENTAL CAP IS EXPECTED TO RESULT IN MORE PROPERTY OWNERS PARTICIPATING. AND OF COURSE, THE BUDGET WILL BE MONITORED, ADJUSTMENTS CAN BE MADE IF NECESSARY, UM, TO ENSURE THAT THE PROGRAM DOES REMAIN SUSTAINABLE. BUT, AND HOW DO WE MEASURE SUCCESS? WELL, WE COULD, WE COULD TRY THIS AT $2,500 A MONTH, RIGHT? AND WE LOOK, WE LOOK FOR AN INCREASE OF SAY, 20% OVER A NINE MONTH PERIOD JUST TO TEST IT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GETTING TRACTION IN THIS, UM, RENTAL INCREASE? IF CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND TALK ABOUT IT AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. BUT I, YOU KNOW, RECOMMEND THAT THE, UM, CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THE, THE INCREASE SO THAT IT WILL BETTER ALIGN WITH, UH, CURRENT MARKET RATES AND ENCOURAGE GREATER HOMEOWNER PARTICIPATION AND PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR LOCAL EMPLOYEES. UM, AND I ALSO ADDED IN SOME, I GAVE A, UM, LIKE A ONE SHEETER OF INFORMATION THAT TALKS ABOUT THE A MI LEVELS, THE ANNUAL, WHICH EQUATES TO AN ANNUAL INCOME AND THE MAXIMUM RENT. SO LET ME TRY TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR WITH THAT. SO IF YOU ARE THE, THE RENTS AND THE A MI FOR A, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FAMILY OF FOUR, UM, I USED A FAMILY OF FOUR BECAUSE IF YOU ARE RENTING A THREE BEDROOM ROOM, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE, YOU KNOW, TO USE TO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S A GOOD SIZE FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE. SO, UM, FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR, FOR A THREE BEDROOM HOME, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU ARE A FAMILY OF FOUR AND YOUR INCOME LEVEL IS AT THE 80% ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME, THAT MEANS THAT YOUR ANNUAL INCOME FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR IS $68,240. THE MAXIMUM RENT THAT YOU COULD PAY, UM, IF WE ARE USING THE, THE, UH, 30% OF YOUR INCOME, RIGHT? THE MAXIMUM RENT AT 30% OF YOUR INCOME THAT YOU COULD AFFORD WOULD BE ONE, IT'S ABOUT $1,700 PER MONTH. IF YOU ARE AT THE 100% A MI THAT MEANS YOUR ANNUAL INCOME WOULD BE AROUND $85,000. AND THE MAXIMUM RENT THAT YOU COULD AFFORD WITH THAT WOULD BE $2,100 AND 120 A MI. YOUR ANNUAL INCOME IS 102,360. THE MAXIMUM RENT THAT YOU COULD AFFORD AT 30% OF YOUR INCOME WOULD BE ABOUT 2,500. SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE $2,500 PER MONTH RENT AT 1:50 AM I. UM, YOUR ANNUAL INCOME IS ONE 27,000. MAXIMUM RENT YOU COULD AFFORD COMFORTABLY IS THREE, $3,100 PER MONTH. SO THAT JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU A LITTLE SENSE OF, UH, THE RANGE OF RENTS. UM, WE ALSO DID A VERY QUICK, UM, CURRENT POINT IN TIME, UM, ESTIMATE, ESTIMATE OF AVAILABLE RENTALS. AND, UM, IT SHOWED THAT, [02:10:02] UH, WOW, FOR, FOR A STUDIO, THE RENT RANGES WERE BETWEEN 1,218 OR $1,900. UH, A ONE BEDROOM RANGED FROM $1,500 TO $1,900. TWO BEDROOMS RANGE FROM 1950 TO $4,600 AND A THREE BEDROOM IN SEDONA. UM, TODAY RENT, RENT RANGES ARE $2,950 TO $9,750. OF THOSE THREE BEDROOMS, 18 OF THEM ARE AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW TODAY. AND OF THOSE 18 AVAILABLE, ONLY TWO OF THEM WOULD. UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'RE IN, UH, THE A MI RANGES THAT I JUST MENTIONED FOR OUR WORKFORCE, ONLY TWO OF THOSE THREE BEDROOM RENTALS YOU WOULD QUALIFY. SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW. UM, I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH ENDS MY PRESENTATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, GINNY. MM-HMM . SO TO MY LEFT, DEREK, NO, PETE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, VICE MAYOR, EARLIER IN THE MEETING YOU HAD QUOTED SOME RENTAL NUMBERS. WERE THESE, THESE NUMBERS YOU USED? I DIDN'T CATCH THAT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT, JEANNIE. YOU GAVE US THE AMOUNTS THAT WE PAID, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS OF PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROGRAM IN THESE YEARS. YES. UM, UM, THE, THERE ARE, THERE WERE SEVEN. IT'S IN HERE, UH, IS IT IN THERE? SEVEN HOUSE, SEVEN PROPERTIES FOR A TOTAL OF, UH, 19 PAGE THREE, THREE PERSONS SERVED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR, FOR LET ME KNOW THAT I DIDN'T, I, I WAS LOOKING ON THE NEXT PAGE AND I SAW THE AMOUNT, THE BUDGET AMOUNTS, BUT NOT THE NUMBERS. AND THEN, UH, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU KATHY. YEAH, I, I, I THINK YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS IN YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT IT REALLY HAD TO DO WITH THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATION. SO AGAIN, JUST TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, CHANGING THE CAP AMOUNT HAS NO IMPACT ON THE BUDGETED AMOUNT BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY DEPENDENT ON THE AMOUNT OF FAMILIES THAT GETS SERVED. UM, BUT MY QUESTION IS AT THE, YOU HAVE A PROJECTED BUDGETED AMOUNT FOR FY 26 OF $50,000. WE'RE GONNA BE GOING INTO BUDGET DISCUSSIONS. SO THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED. BUT AT THE CURRENT AMOUNT OF 85 TO 50, OR THE PROJECTED AMOUNT TO 50,000, IF THERE WERE AN INCREASE FROM 2,500 EVEN TO 2,700, WOULD THERE BE ENOUGH IN THE BUDGETED AMOUNT PROJECTED TO COVER WITH A PROJECTED INCREASE AS WELL OF PARTICIPANTS BECAUSE THE CAP HAS BEEN RAISED? MM-HMM . ARE WE BUDGETING ENOUGH? WELL, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, COUNSELOR KINSELLA, AND I DO APPRECIATE YOUR BRINGING IT UP. UM, AT THE TIME THAT THE, UM, PROJECTED BUDGET NUMBERS WERE PROJECTED, UM, THAT THAT WAS A NUMBER THAT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON PAST PERFORMANCE, BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE REALLY WANT TO TRY TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO INCREASE HOUSING INVENTORY. SO IT, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE'LL HAVE TO SEE, UH, WHAT KIND OF TRASHION WE GET IN THE PROGRAM TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, IS THAT, IS THAT ENOUGH FOR FISCAL 26? AND THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER, SO, BUT WE CAN COME BACK IF WE FIND THAT IT IS SUCCESSFUL, WHICH WHAT IS WHAT WE WANT. WE CAN DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT WITHOUT THERE BEING ANY CONSTRAINT ON THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. COUNSELOR. KINSELLA, UM, THE HOUSING FUND HAS SUFFICIENT RESOURCES TO COVER THIS PROGRAM, YOUR LOAN PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, THE LAND ACQUISITIONS AND THINGS THAT YOU'VE, UM, BEEN, UH, PURSUING AS PART OF YOUR, UM, INFORMAL HOUSING STRATEGY, I GUESS I WOULD SAY. UM, AND SO YES, IF THERE'S A NEED TO, UM, DO A BUDGET, WE CALL IT A LINE ITEM TRANSFER, YOU KNOW, REDUCE ONE EXPENSE IN THE FUND AND INCREASE THIS ONE, IF IT BECOMES REAL POPULAR, WE CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BRIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. JEANNIE, I'M LOOKING AT THE MOST RECENT, UH, CITY OF SEDONA TOURISM PROGRAM, INFORMATION THAT ANDREW PROVIDES AND, YOU KNOW, OCCUPANCY NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY OF ST 44%, [02:15:01] 36%, 32%. IT'S A LOWER TIME OF YEAR, RIGHT? I MEAN, I'M SURE IT'S IN THE FIFTIES, MAYBE EVEN PUSHING 60 FOR MARCH, APRIL SINCE ITS PEAK SEASON. BUT THE NUMBER OF AS REGISTERED ST HAS CONTINUED TO INCREASE OVER THE LIFE OF THE PROGRAM, AND YET WE STILL AREN'T GETTING MEANINGFUL TRACTION. MM-HMM . UM, AT WHAT POINT DO WE JUST SAY THAT THIS IS A STRATEGIC DISTRACTION FROM OUR EFFORTS OVERALL? WELL, , I LOVE YOUR QUESTIONS. . UM, STRATEGIC DISTRACTION. I THINK THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK IT IS A DISTRACTION. I THINK THAT IT IS A PROGRAM THAT COULD, IF IT HELPS ONE FAMILY IN MY VIEW, THAT'S SUCCESSFUL, RIGHT? AND SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE NEED TO CONTINUE THE, THE PROGRAM BECAUSE WE HAVE TO, UM, WE HAVE TO MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF EFFORTS TO BE ABLE TO COVER A LOT OF THE, THE NEED. AND SO I THINK THIS IS ONE TOOL THAT CAN HELP IN WHATEVER LIMITED WAY IT CAN. WOULD WE LIKE IT TO BE MORE SUCCESSFUL? SURE. UM, TO, TO DO THAT, UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AT AN OVERHAUL OF THE ENTIRE INCENTIVE STRUCTURE. MM-HMM . WHEN WE GET, I MEAN THERE'S HOW MANY HUNDRED RENTAL UNITS IN THE THEORETICAL PIPELINE, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE EAGERLY AWAITING SHELBY TO, UH, TO BREAK GROUND, ET CETERA. LIKE AT SOME POINT DO WE SAY, OKAY, THIS IS NOW A STRATEGIC DISTRACTION BECAUSE WE'VE ADDED ALL THESE UNITS AND NOW WE SHOULD PUT THIS MONEY TO SOME OTHER USE? WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL CAN LOOK AT DOWN THE ROAD. MM-HMM. FOR SURE. YEAH. YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK FOR NOW, UM, WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN NO MATTER HOW SMALL, UM, OF A, OF A RETURN WE GET ON THAT. I THINK IF YOU'RE, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE HELPING ONE FAMILY, IT'S MEANINGFUL. OKAY. THANK YOU, JEANIE. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU BRIAN. MELISSA, VICE MAYOR. SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. ONE IS, REMIND US, 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THIS PROGRAM IN A WHILE MM-HMM . IS THAT $10,000 INCENTIVE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? NO, THAT IS A ONE-TIME INCENTIVE. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO IN A WAY, IT COVERS THE INCREASE COVERS THE FIRST YEAR, GETS CLOSER IN THE FIRST YEAR AND THEN GOES AWAY. AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY ONLY THREE HOUSEHOLDS HAVE RENEWED THEIR LEASES IN YEAR TWO. DO WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHERS? YES. IF, AND THAT IS, THAT IS A VALID ARGUMENT BECAUSE IF, UM, OF COURSE IF THE INCENTIVE WERE AVAILABLE FOR MULTIPLE YEARS, THERE WOULD BE MORE TRACTION IN THE PROGRAM. THERE WOULD BE MORE LONGEVITY, YOU KNOW, FOR A RENTER, FOR EXAMPLE, TO, UM, CONTINUE IN IN THE PROGRAM. SO IT FEELS LIKE IT'S A ONE YEAR PROGRAM. MM-HMM . UM, THE INCENTIVE IS FOR ONE YEAR, BUT AGAIN, THREE, YOU KNOW, THREE OF THE SEVEN FAMILIES HAVE RENEWED THE LEASE. DO YOU KNOW WHY THE OTHERS DIDN'T RENEW? DO YOU HAVE ANY VISIBILITY INTO THAT? UM, YES. IN SOME CASES IT'S BECAUSE THE INCENTIVE WAS NOT AVAILABLE AND THEREFORE IT WAS NOT MEANINGFUL FOR THE HOMEOWNER TO CONTINUE. I, IN SOME CASES, THE, UM, TENANT MOVED AWAY, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S VERY, A COUPLE OF VARIOUS REASONS I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS PROGRAM. I MEAN, I SUPPORT, UH, WE'RE NOT DOING SUPPORTING, BUT I SUPPORT THE INCREASE. BUT YEAH. IS THAT SUFFICIENT? BECAUSE IF THE, AND THIS IS NOT EVEN A SHORT TERM RENTAL CONVERSION, THIS IS JUST RENTAL ASSISTANCE? OR IS IT A, THIS IS A SHORT TERM RENTAL CONVERSION. IT'S OKAY. YES. GET CONFUSED BY THE DIFFERENCES IN THE PROGRAMS. SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER WE NEED SOMETHING ELSE THEN, BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY SIGNING UP NOW. AGAIN, TRYING TO BRING MY MEMORY BACK. IT'S A, WHAT IS THE RESTRICTION? IT'S A ONE YEAR RESTRICTION. YEAH. SO I CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THAT BECAUSE WHEN IT FIRST STARTED, THERE WAS A THREE YEAR RESTRICTION ON YES. AND THEN THAT WAS REVISED. THERE WAS NO TRACTION. SO THAT WAS REVISED TO [02:20:01] ONE YEAR LEASE IN DECEMBER OF 2022. SO IT'S BEEN THAT WAY PRETTY MUCH SINCE THE INCEPTION. UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LOOKED, UM, THERE ARE SOME OTHER PROGRAMS OUT THERE. THIS, UH, RENT LOCAL TYPE OF PROGRAM IS, UM, REPLICATED. I MEAN WE SORT OF COPIED IT FROM TAHOE, UM, AND, UM, SUMMIT COUNTY, BRECKENRIDGE, UM, SEVERAL PLACES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. MOSTLY TOURIST, TOURIST BASED AREAS. AND, UM, WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, THOSE PROGRAMS, UH, WHICH ARE INCENTIVIZED A LITTLE BIT MORE RICHLY. I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I THINK ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT BEFORE US TODAY, THAT WE SHOULD ASK THE STAFF IF MY COLLEAGUES AGREE TO COME BACK AND GIVE US SOME OPTIONS FOR HOW TO REALLY GET TRACTION IN THIS PROGRAM. MM-HMM . FOR, SINCE IT IS A CONVERSION, IT'S BRINGING, BUT IF IT'S A ONE YEAR CONVERSION, I'M THINKING OUT LOUD, IT'S ONE YEAR CONVERSION. YOU HAVE A ONE YEAR INCENTIVE. AND SO MAYBE THESE, LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE OTHER PROGRAMS, PERHAPS THERE ARE MODIFICATIONS IN ADDITION TO THE INCREASE IN THE CAP THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER. I'M HAPPY TO, UM, LOOK INTO THAT AND BRING FORWARD, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION. DO YOU SUPPORT THAT? I WOULD SUPPORT THAT AS A, FOR A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM FOR, RIGHT, YEAH. TO LOOK AT. ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT. I QUESTION JUST SEEKING CLARITY ON THIS ISSUE, IT'S $10,000 OF MAXIMUM PAYMENT ONE YEAR, 25,000 MAXIMUM PAYMENT IN THE PROGRAM. SO IS IT REALLY JUST A ONE YEAR PROGRAM OR IS IT A TWO AND A HALF YEAR PROGRAM? I MEAN, IT WAS ONE YEAR FOR THAT HOUSE, FOR THAT ONE PROPERTY. SO WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM INCENTIVE OF 25,000 MEAN? SO SOME HOMEOWNERS OWN MULTIPLE PROPERTIES. YEAH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. YOU, YOU GOOD? OKAY. THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. MY QUESTIONS WERE, UH, ASKED AND ANSWERED. SO WHY DON'T WE OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC. UH, WE SAW WE ONLY HAVE ONE CARD. IF ANYBODY ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK, LINDSAY, UH, STEP UP TO THE MIC. I THINK THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME. MM-HMM . RIGHT? OKAY. SO YOU START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. GREAT. MY NAME IS AND WELCOME TO THE PODIUM. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. MY NAME IS LINDSAY HAMMERSMITH. UM, I'M A SEDONA RESIDENT, UH, MOTHER OF FOUR. SO I'VE BEEN APPRECIATING THIS IN THIS CONVERSATION. I APPRECIATE THE CARING FOR OUR FAMILIES. UM, MY HUSBAND AND I OWN A SMALL BUSINESS HERE. UM, WE'RE IN THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE A LONG-TERM PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY. UM, I AM IN AWE OF THE WORK THAT JEANIE IS DOING. UM, SHE HAS INVITED LOCAL VOICES TO BE A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION, SO I WANTED TO STAND WITH HER. UM, I THINK YOU'VE ALL BROUGHT UP VERY VALID POINTS. UM, I DO THINK IT NEEDS TO BE REITERATED THAT THE, UM, THE HOUSING THAT WE NEED IS TWO TO THREE BEDROOM TO INCLUDE OUR FAMILY COMMUNITIES, UM, INSTEAD OF JUST STUDIOS OR, UM, SMALL ONE BEDROOM UNITS. UM, I HAVE ALSO BROUGHT THE, UM, WHAT TODAY IS ON THE MARKET. I LOOKED AT, UM, THE LOCAL COMPANY, SONSONA RENTAL, SEDONA ELITE, FOOTHILLS PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND CANYON RUN. UM, AND I AGREE WITH THE AMOUNTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP TODAY, UM, THE LOCAL RENTAL AMOUNTS. UM, AND SO I JUST, UM, AM APPRECIATIVE HEARING OF THE QUESTIONS AND THE CONCERNS OF HOW TO MAKE THIS PROGRAM BETTER. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, IT CAN BE IMPROVED. UM, BUT I WILL SAY WHAT WE'LL SEE WE'RE SEEING ON THE RENTAL AROUND THE SALES MARKET IS THAT A LOT OF THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS NOW ARE GOING UP TO MARKET. AND IF THEY WERE SOLD TODAY, I KNOW OF A LOCAL ONE, A THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH, THAT IF I WERE TO PURCHASE THAT, MY MORTGAGE WOULD BE ABOUT 4,000 A MONTH. SO YOU REALLY KIND OF PERPETUATE THIS NEEDING TO DO A SHORT TERM, UM, RENTAL CONTINUATION. SO I DO THINK THAT CREATIVE SOLUTIONS ARE BEING BROUGHT UP. UM, I DO THINK THAT IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH OUR LANDLORD COMMUNITY, WHICH ARE REALLY WONDERFUL PEOPLE THAT ARE, ARE TRYING TO KEEP RENTAL AMOUNTS LOW, BUT ARE SEEING, RAISING HOA COSTS. THEY ARE SEEING RAISE RAISED MAINTENANCE, UM, AND VENDOR BILLS. AND THEY'RE DEALING WITH, IF THEY'RE LOOKING WITH WORKING WITH A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY, THEY'RE SEEING ABOUT A 12% MANAGEMENT FEE AS WELL. SO WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE [02:25:01] THAT THESE INVESTMENT, THESE LONG-TERM INVESTMENT HOLDINGS MAKE SENSE FOR BOTH THE OWNERS, UM, AND AS WELL AS SUPPORT OUR LOCAL RENTAL COMMUNITY. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND JUST WANTED TO STAND HERE IN SUPPORT OF, UM, HOUSING SOLUTIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LINDY. WE'LL CLOSE THIS SESSION WITH THE PUBLIC. I'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL, UH, COMMENTS. BRIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I'M FINE WITH GIVING THIS A TRY, UH, AS REQUESTED, BUT I'M SKEPTICAL THAT IT'S GONNA WORK. I REALLY AM, UH, AGAIN, REFERRING BACK TO THE, UH, TOURISM REPORT FROM JANUARY. IT ONLY SHOWS THE MOST RECENT THREE MONTHS AT THE TIME. SO REVPAR IN JANUARY IS $103, WHICH MEANS THE AVERAGE SHORT TERM RENTAL IS STILL GROSSING $3,200 A MONTH. RIGHT NOW. THAT'S A BLEND ACROSS 1, 2, 3, HOWEVER MANY BEDROOMS. RIGHT? BUT WE'RE COMPETING AGAINST ECONOMICS THAT ARE STILL TOUGH. I MEAN, YOU'RE SHOWING US THIS, WE BELIEVE YOU, RIGHT? UM, THAT THE ECONOMICS THOUGH OF INCENTING A SHORT TERM RENTAL OWNER WHEN THEIR REVPAR IN THE WORST MONTH OF THE YEAR IS $103. THAT'S TOUGH. 'CAUSE IN NOVEMBER IT WAS 158, SO THAT MEANS THERE WERE LIKE 46, 4700 REVENUE GROSS THAT MONTH. SO OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, THIS IS, IT'S, IT, IT'S REALLY HARD FOR THIS PROGRAM TO COMPETE IN THE, HENCE SEVEN PROPERTIES IN TWO PLUS YEARS, RIGHT? SO, UM, I'M WILLING TO GIVE IT A SHOT. I JUST THINK WE GOTTA BE REALISTIC AND LOOK FOR OTHER AVENUES TO SEE WHERE WE CAN APPLY SOME CREATIVITY. 'CAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET ANY REAL MEANINGFUL ADDITIONAL, UH, TRACTION ON THIS. AND I DO WONDER, AND I, AND I'M SURE THIS IS A A TER, TERRIBLY UNFAIR QUESTION, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF THE SEVEN PROPERTIES THAT HAVE CONVERTED? ARE THEY FULLY RENOVATED OR ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, JUST SCRAPING BY AS, AS AN STR? BECAUSE WHAT WE HEAR FREQUENTLY IS, IS, HEY, WHEN SOMEBODY CONVERTS A PROPERTY TO AN STR, THEY RAISE THE LEVEL OF THE QUALITY OF THE HOME AND EVERYTHING. AND SO I ALMOST WONDER, YOU KNOW, IF ANY OF THESE SEVEN THAT HAVE GONE INTO RENTAL, ARE THEY ONES WHERE THE OWNER DIDN'T MAKE THE INVESTMENT, DOESN'T WANT TO MAKE THE INVESTMENT, MAYBE THEY CAN'T EVEN GET THAT 103 REVPAR IN JANUARY. AND SO THAT'S WHY THIS PROGRAM'S ATTRACTIVE. I DON'T KNOW, IT, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO, TO HAVE SOME INSIGHT INTO THAT, BUT I SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE ASK IS, I JUST THINK THIS IS GONNA BE, I I JUST DON'T SEE US GETTING MUCH MORE TRACTION THAN WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU BRIAN. MELISSA? SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF US TRYING THIS. I THINK, UM, IF WE GO BACK IN TIME AND WE GO BACK IN HISTORY FOR WHEN THIS PROGRAM STARTED, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE KIND OF STR DENSITY THAT WE HAVE NOW. AND I THINK THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAD 10% OF OUR HOUSING STOCK AND NOW WE HAVE ALMOST 18% OF OUR HOUSING STOCK IN SHORT TERM RENTALS. UM, I THINK IT, IT BEGS TO COUNSELOR FULTON'S POINT THAT PEOPLE ARE MORE APT TO TAKE RENTAL HOMES AND MAKE THEM STRS THAN THEY ARE TO ALLOW THEM TO REMAIN RENTAL REGARDLESS OF THE INCENTIVE. SO I, I THINK THIS, WE MIGHT NEED OTHER OPTIONS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS WE'RE DOING UNTIL WE HAVE ENOUGH OF OUR OWN HOUSING UNITS, UM, THAT ARE IN AN AFFORDABLE SPACE THAT WE SAY THERE'S NO POINT IN TRYING TO GET PEOPLE WHO HAVE, ARE MAKING MONEY ON STRS TO CONVERT. UM, AND UH, THE OTHER THING THAT WORRIES ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS IS THERE'S A ONE YEAR INCENTIVE AND THEN THEY CHOOSE NOT TO RENEW IT. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING THERE IF SUDDENLY THEY CAN'T RENT THAT HOME ANYMORE? 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IT BACK INTO AN STR. SO ALL YOU'RE DOING IS DEFERRING HOMELESSNESS, UM, FOR THESE, THESE FAMILIES POTENTIALLY, UM, ARE DEFERRING THE FACT THAT THEY CAN BE FOUR PEOPLE IN A THREE BEDROOM. NOW THEY'RE GONNA BE FOUR PEOPLE IN A STUDIO. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL OF THAT. IT'S A COMPLEX PROBLEM. I UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, CERTAINLY I AGREE, UM, WITH THE VICE MAYOR, PROBABLY ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM, WE SHOULD HAVE A, A DEEPER CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, UM, WHICH STAFF CAN PRESENT TO US. BUT, UM, I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS. I'M WILLING TO TRY IT. UM, I TOO HAVE MY CONCERNS ABOUT ITS LONGEVITY IN THE CURRENT, UH, CLIMATE OF OUR, OUR CITY VICE MAYOR. I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT LINDSEY [02:30:01] HAMMERSMITH, WE JUST APPOINTED TO THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD. SO COUNCIL MEET LINDSEY, CONGRATULATIONS. TURN A NICE PINK COLOR. . I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN TO YOUR FIRST MEETING YET, BUT , UH, I SUPPORT THE PROGRAM WITH ALL THE CAVEATS THAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WHEN I WAS ASKING QUESTIONS. OKAY, DEREK. UM, I SUPPORT THAT ASK. I DO THINK WE NEED TO ATTACK THIS PROBLEM FROM ALL ANGLES. UM, MAYBE WHEN WE DO GET SOME OF THESE UNITS, BILL IS WHATEVER BUILT, UH, THEN WE MAY LOOK AT THIS AND DECIDE WE DON'T WANNA CONTINUE IT. BUT FOR NOW, I MEAN, WE, I'M LOOKING AT HERE IT SAID SEVEN PROPERTY OWNERS PROVIDING HOUSING FOR A TOTAL OF 19 INDIVIDUALS TO 19 PEOPLE THAT THIS PROGRAM DID HELP. SO, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE, IS THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN OF THIS SO TERRIBLE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT GETTING RID OF IT. I DON'T KNOW. UH, MAYBE WE NEED TO INCREASE THE INCENTIVES. MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE A INCENTIVE THAT INCREASES. IF YOU LEAVE THE PROPERTY IN THE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, FOR SUBSEQUENT YEARS, YOU GET, GET MORE INCENTIVES AND MAYBE THEY GO UP OR, YOU KNOW, STUFF WE CAN TALK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE, OBVIOUSLY. BUT, UM, I SUPPORT THIS CHANGE AND I WANNA SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU, PETE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I TOO SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. I DO ALSO SUPPORT THE REVALUATION OF THE MODEL. I WILL PUT OUT THERE THOUGH THAT MY UNDERSTANDING THIS PROGRAM WAS CONTRARY TO, UH, COUNCILOR FO'S COMMENTS. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO COMPETE IN THE MARKETPLACE. WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THAT TRIP LEVEL WHERE A COMMUNITY-MINDED STR OWNER MIGHT BE INCENTIVIZED TO CONVERT. AND, AND, UH, I WOULD BE VERY WARY ABOUT US TRYING TO BE IN THE MARKETPLACE COMPETING, BUT THANK YOU, KATHY. YEAH, THAT WAS HOW I REMEMBERED IT TOO. WE WERE TRYING TO APPEAL TO, UM, SOMEONE'S BETTER SIDE, RIGHT? UM, AND SO I THINK THAT WE CAN NEVER COMPETE WITH THE MARKET. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT, AND THAT'S NOT OUR ROLE AS GOVERNMENT. BUT I DO, IT BRINGS ME TO A QUESTION OF I SUPPORT THE, THE REQUEST, BUT THE REQUEST IS FOR 2,500, UM, CAP, WHY WOULDN'T WE BE LOOKING AT THE $2,700 CAP THAT YOU ALSO PROVIDED US ALTERNATE NUMBERS ONTO CAPTURE A WIDER POTENTIAL? MAY I ANSWER PLEASE? OKAY. SO I THINK THAT THE, I THINK IN MY VIEW THAT THE $2,700 RENT FOR OUR WORKFORCE IS NOT, UH, IS NOT APPROPRIATE. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GOING TO, UM, IT'S A BURDEN. YOU KNOW, THAT EXTRA $200 A MONTH TO A FAMILY CAN MEAN A LOT. SO YOU THINK WE WOULDN'T BE CAPTURING OUR TARGET, WE'D BE CAPTURING A HIGHER INCOME THAN THE TARGET. AND THEN ALSO TO FURTHER ANSWER THE QUESTION, UM, IN MY, UM, CONVERSATIONS WITH POTENTIAL, UM, WITH HOMEOWNERS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE IN THE PROGRAM, THEY INDICATED THAT $2,500 WOULD BE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO THEM. THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD CONSIDER CONVERTING THEIR PROPERTY IF THEY WERE, UM, IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TO RENT TO $2,500 RATHER THAN THE $2,200 CAP. SO, AND WE CAN REVISIT THAT WHEN, WHENEVER WE REVISIT THE REST OF THIS TOO. I MEAN, I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THE ASK FOR THE 2,500. SO THAT'S NOT, NOT AN ISSUE. I ALSO SUPPORT THAT WE DO LOOK AT, UM, OTHER INCENTIVE, YOU KNOW, RE-UPPING THE INCENTIVE. UM, I THINK THAT COUNCILLOR FAFF HAD A GOOD SUGGESTION THAT IF YOU STAY IN THE PROGRAM FOR ADDITIONAL YEAR, HERE'S AN ADDITIONAL INCENTIVE AND HERE'S AN ADDITIONAL INCENTIVE FOR THIRD YEAR. I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS TO EXPLORE, AND YES, I DO SUPPORT YOUR ASK AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU. OKAY. I SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT CA, KATHY KINSELLA SAID ON ALL POINTS TO JUST MOVE THIS MEETING ALONG. SO, UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? I MOVE TO AMEND THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM BY RAISING THE MONTHLY RENTAL CAP TO $2,500 TO BETTER ALIGN WITH CURRENT MARKET RATES AND ENCOURAGE MORE HOMEOWNERS TO PARTICIPATE. SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCIL. KINSELLA, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JEANNIE. THANK YOU. OKAY, UH, [8.d. AB 3145 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of the Linking Agreement between the Sedona Police Department and Zetron, Inc., in the amount of $1,107,587.30.] COUNSEL, I'M GOING TO JUST MAKE A CHANGE IN THE, UH, AGENDA AND MOVE D TO UP TO THE NEXT, UH, POINT AND SWITCH, UH, C AND D. SO I'M GOING TO [02:35:01] PUT MY GLASSES ON SO I CAN READ AND WE'LL TAKE, UH, AB 31 45 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF THE LINKING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TRON INC. IN THE AMOUNT OF 1,107,000, UH, FIVE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY SEVEN THIRTY. SO I, GOOD. OKAY. UH, GOOD EVENING. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY OVER A LITTLE BIT? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNSELORS AND VICE MAYOR. UM, MY NAME IS AARON LOEFFLER. I'M THE SUPPORT SERVICES MANAGER FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT AN UPDATE TO THE CURRENT POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, RADIO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. THE PD HAS, UH, BEEN PLANNING THE RADIO CIP, WHICH IS CO-MANAGED WITH THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT SINCE 2016. THE ORIGINAL PROJECT INCLUDED A FOUR PHASED APPROACH TO REPLACE SIMULCAST EQUIPMENT AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT SEDONA, AND EFFORTS TO IMPROVE AND EXPAND RADIO COVERAGE BY MODIFYING THE CURRENT SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT, WE ARE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO RE AVOID ALL THE REMAINING PHASES LEFT IN THIS PROJECT. AND, UH, WITH THAT, WE'RE READY TO, FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE THAT WILL BRING THIS PROJECT. FINALLY, TO COMPLETION, STAFF ARE REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF THE LINKING AGREEMENT WITH TRON INC. THE IMPLEMENTATION PARTNER SELECTED BY THE FI SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT. IF APPROVED, PLANNING AND EXECUTION OF THIS PROJECT WOULD BEGIN ON, UH, OR AROUND JULY 1ST, 2025 WITH A CUTOVER AND PROJECT COMPLETION DATE, UM, SOMETIME IN JULY OF 2026. SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO DON AND RICK FROM TRON TO FURTHER DISCUSS SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. UM, MY NAME IS RICK FELT AND I REPRESENT TRON AND, UH, DON BROWN HERE. HE'S THE SALES ENGINEER THAT'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR QUITE A WHILE, . UM, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE AND THANKS FOR HAVING US. DO YOU WANT ME, UM, SO TODAY, AND MR. MAYOR, DO WE HAVE ABOUT 15 MINUTES? IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND? IF YEAH. OKAY. IF YOU CAN KEEP IT TO THAT, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. SHORTER WOULD BE LESS. THAT WOULD BE BETTER. YES, SIR. I'LL DO MY BEST. OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA TALK REAL QUICK ABOUT ZE TRON. WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UM, THE SEDONA, UH, RADIO DESIGN, THE COVERAGE, AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE AS FAR AS RADIO COVERAGE, AS WELL AS THE PRICING. SO JUST TWO SLIDES ON TRON, JUST TO KNOW THAT, UM, WE ARE A VERY REPUTABLE COMPANY AND WORLD WORLDWIDE COMPANY. WE HAVE OVER 80 YEARS OF, UH, EXPERIENCE WITH, UH, IISO 9,001 CERTIFIED. UM, WE'RE IN 80 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OVER 500 DIFFERENT CONSOLES. YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME OF THOSE CONSOLES POSITIONS ACTUALLY HERE IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA, AS WELL AS 20, OVER 20,000, UH, RADIO SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. ALSO A FEW HERE IN ARIZONA. SO TRON ITSELF, WE, OUR PORTFOLIO IS PRETTY WIDE IN THE FACT THAT WE DO COMMAND AND CONTROL, WHICH IS BASICALLY A DISPATCH. SO YOUR DISPATCH, UM, SERVICES ARE, WE HAVE A DISPATCH CENTER IN COTTONWOOD. UM, BUT ULTIMATELY THAT USES OUR MAX ACOM. THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS, THAT'S WHAT THAT CORE, UH, COMMAND AND CONTROL MEANS. AND THEN ON THE LAND MOBILE SIDE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, UM, THAT'S, UH, THE, THE LMR RADIO PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND IT'S MORE OF THE MOUNTAINTOP RADIO EQUIPMENT. SO THIS SLIDE IS JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT EVERY SINGLE SYSTEM THAT WE DO IS SPECIALIZED, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOUR MOUNTAINS ARE BEAUTIFUL, BUT THEY'RE HARD FOR US TO NAVIGATE RADIO COMMUNICATIONS THROUGH. AND, UM, SO EACH ONE OF OUR SYSTEMS HAS TO BE CUSTOMIZED, RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. WE'VE COME ON SITE, WE'VE GONE TO SITES, ALL THE SITES, WE'VE, UH, DONE COVERAGE STUDIES, EXHAUSTED COVERAGE STUDIES, AND MADE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHERE FIRST RESPONDERS NEED TO HAVE THAT. UM, AND THEN WITH THAT, IT GOES TO PROJECT MANAGEMENT. SO WITH THIS PROJECT, IT WILL BE ASSIGNED UP ONE PROJECT MANAGER, HOPEFULLY FOR BOTH POLICE AND [02:40:01] FIRE. UM, AND THAT PERSON WILL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PROPERLY, IT'S ON BUDGET THAT IT MAKES, UM, ALL THE GANTT CHARTS LINE UP WITH HOW WE DO THE SITES. AND WE WORK WITH THE CITY AND THE FIRE DISTRICT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING GOES APPROPRIATELY, TRAINING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND ALL THAT TECHNICAL SUPPORT AFTER THE FACT IS ALSO LAYING THERE AS WELL. SO HERE'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF SOME OF OUR, UM, OUR CUSTOMERS RIGHT NOW IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA. SO IF YOU GO, UM, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE NATIONAL PARKS AND THE US FOREST SERVICE USE OUR EQUIPMENT, SO ANY PARK RANGER AND WHAT HAVE YOU. UM, AND THEN ALSO THE OTHER, OBVIOUSLY, SEDONA FIRE. UM, THE YAVAPAI JAIL, UM, IS A, ONE OF OUR SYSTEMS RIGHT NOW SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CITY WE'RE PROPOSING TO THE CITY OF SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS, UM, DPS DOWN IN THE STATE, AND, UM, AS WELL AS SCOTTSDALE AND QUITE A FEW OTHERS, UM, IN THE AREA. SO, OH, YEAH. AND A PS SO THIS IS A GENERIC SYSTEM, DEGRA DESIGNED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A FLAVOR FOR WHAT AND HOW, UH, WE BUILD A SYSTEM. AND I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO DAWN. SO DAWN, YOU CAN GO THROUGH THIS REAL QUICK. THIS IS, UH, A DIAGRAM, JUST A GENERIC DIAGRAM SHOWING RADIO EQUIPMENT CONNECTED TOGETHER BY AN IP BACKHAUL OR ETHERNET. AND THAT'S REPRESENTED BY THE BLUE. THE BOXES SHOWN HERE ARE RADIO EQUIPMENT WITH, UH, NETWORK CONNECTIVITY. UM, THE, THE IDEA BEHIND, OR, OR THE, THE MAIN TAKEAWAY ON THIS SLIDE IS TO SEE THAT IT IS, UM, I LIKE TO USE LEGO BLOCKS AND WE CAN ADD OR TAKE AWAY, UM, AND BUILD UP, AND THAT'S WHERE THIS IS FITTING REALLY WELL WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE QUITE A FEW OF THESE PIECES ALREADY IN PLAY. SO THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE JUST ADDING MORE BRICKS, UM, INTO THE SYSTEM AND EXPANDING. SO EACH ONE OF THOSE SITES THAT SAY RECEIVER TRANSMITTER, ALL OF THOSE RECEIVERS IN THE RACK AT THE TOP ARE ON CHANNEL ONE, AND THEY'RE VOTED. SO IF THERE IS SOMEBODY ON A HANDHELD RADIO CALLING FOR HELP, UM, AND THEY'RE IN THAT AREA ON THE LEFT WHERE THERE'S ONLY MAYBE THREE OF THE RECEIVERS IN THE AREA THAT ARE ACTIVATED BECAUSE THEY'RE SPREAD OUT ALL OVER THE PLACE, UM, THE SYSTEM WILL TAKE THOSE THREE SIGNALS, FEED IT BACK TO A CENTRALIZED SERVER THAT THEN DECIDES WHICH AUDIO IS THE BEST, AND THEN IT SENDS THAT BACK OUT TO ALL OF THE TRANSMITTERS SIMULTANEOUSLY. THAT'S WHERE THE SIMULCAST COMES IN. IT'S SIMULTANEOUS BROADCAST SO THAT THE ENTIRE AREA IS LIT UP WITH THAT CALL FOR HELP. AS WELL AS THAT SIGNAL THEN GOES TO THE DISPATCHER THROUGH A DIGITAL FIXATION INTERFACE, AND THE DISPATCHER CAN ALSO HEAR THE CALL. THE CALL IS ALSO RECORDED FOR ANY ISSUES ON PLAYBACK. UM, THE PRIMARY SYSTEM CONTROLLER IS THE ONE THAT'S DOING THE DECISION ON WHICH IS THE BEST VOTING AND THE BEST RECEIVED SIGNAL. THEN THERE'S A REDUNDANT ONE SITTING THERE LISTENING FOR, UH, A PROBLEM. AND IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, IT'LL TAKE OVER AUTOMATICALLY. SO THE SYSTEM IS VERY REDUNDANT IN THAT WAY AS WELL AS THERE'S MULTIPLE CHANNELS IN, IN MULTIPLE AREAS. BEFORE YOU CONTINUE ON, UH, BRIAN, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DO. THANK YOU, MAYOR, CAN YOU, UH, YEP. BACK THERE. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE SECURITY OF THIS SYSTEM? SO WHEN I SEE IP NETWORK, THEN I START WONDERING, OKAY, YOU KNOW, HOW HACKER PROOF IS THIS, IS THIS A CLOSED SYSTEM OR IS THIS OPEN TO THE INTERNET? NO, NO, NO, NOT AT ALL. THIS IS A CLOSED SYSTEM WITH SEVERAL FIREWALLS AND ROUTERS, UM, COMPLETELY SEPARATE. UM, YEAH, CLOSED CIRCUIT. OKAY, SO NO RUSSIAN HACKERS ARE GONNA BE DOING A, UH, DEMAND FOR PAYMENT TO OPEN THIS BACK UP AGAIN. NOPE. IT'S, THANK YOU. A COMPLETE AIR GAP TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD. OKAY. CONTINUE ON. OKAY. SO, UM, IN THIS, UM, IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT BLURRY WHEN IT GOT CONVERTED TO A PDF, BUT, UH, THE, THE BOXES ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF GRAY AND WHITE IN THE DOTTED AREAS. AND THOSE, UH, SITES OR THOSE AREAS OR SITES THAT HAVE THE GRAY AND WHITE, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT, UM, THE PD WILL BE CO-LOCATED WITH, UH, THE PSEUDO FIRE DISTRICT. UH, THUS SHARING RESOURCES, UM, AND, AND, UM, LICENSING AND ALL THAT FUN STUFF AS, AS FAR AS OWNING A RADIO SITE, UH, THE SITES THAT ARE WHITE ONLY ARE, UH, JUST AREAS THAT THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE VERY, UM, KEY ON HAVING, UH, COVERAGE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE CITY WE'RE COVERING. YEAH. YEAH. SO THIS IS, UM, UM, [02:45:01] PERHAPS BEST CASE SCENARIOS WHERE PERHAPS THERE MIGHT BE SOME CHALLENGES IN, IN THE CIRCLED AREAS THAT WE WERE, UM, EARLY ON TOLD ABOUT. AND SO OUR GOAL WAS TO, UM, GO ABOUT AND, UH, TRY TO SOLVE THOSE, AGAIN, BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY , BUT A LOT OF, UH, ROCKS AND VALLEYS, RIGHT? AND SO WE DID OUR BEST. AND SO THE NEXT SLIDE, DON CAN GO THROUGH AND EXPLAIN THE COVERAGE. IT'S, UM, IT'S, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING FROM MARS, BUT REALLY IT'S NOT, IT'S SEDONA IN THE DISTRICT. SO, SO THERE'S, UM, SOFTWARE OUT THERE THAT WE USE THAT, UH, PREDICTS RADIO, UM, PROPAGATION. AND, UM, WE'VE REMOVED THE SITES FOR, UM, SECURITY, SECURITY REASONS. AND, UM, SO WITHIN THE AREA, WE HAVE SEVERAL, UH, RIGHT NOW IN THIS DIAGRAM, SEVERAL TRANSMITTERS BROADCASTING OUT TO A HANDHELD RADIO IN THE FIELD. UM, THE GREEN IS WHERE THE SIGNAL AIR QUAL, OR THE, THE QUALITY OF THE RADIO RECEIVED SIGNAL IS CRYSTAL CLEAR. UH, WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE YELLOW, IT STARTS TO GET NOISY, AND WHERE IT GETS RED ARE CHALLENGING AND IT'LL BE CUTTING IN AND OUT. UM, BUT CERTAINLY, UH, PRETTY MUCH FROM OAK CREEK ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO PAST THE WASTE TREATMENT PLANT. WE'VE GOT PRETTY IDEAL RADIO COVERAGE WITH THE, UH, PROPOSED SITES. AND ALSO YOU CAN NOTICE THAT DARK AREAS ARE AREAS WHERE THERE ARE, THE COVERAGE IS LIMITED. SO JUST TO KNOW THAT, UM, WHICH IS THE BOTTOM OF A VALLEY, RIGHT? SO, SO REGARDING THE PRICING, UM, THE INFORMATION'S IN FRONT OF YOU, IT'S PRETTY STANDARD OPERATION FOR US. AS FAR AS THE RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE ITSELF, THAT'S THE STUFF THAT GOES ON THE MOUNTAINTOPS. UM, WE INCLUDE SPARES BECAUSE OUR, AND WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH IT, BUT WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE CAN EXCHANGE EQUIPMENT, EQUIPMENT QUICKLY. SO THERE'S NO MORE OPENING UP TECHNOLOGY ANYMORE, OPENING UP A BOX AND PUTTING A SOLDERING GUN TO IT, YOU JUST SHIP IT BACK, RIGHT? SO, UM, THAT IS FOR THE SPARES. THE SERVICES ARE JUST FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND PRE-STAGE IT, MAKE SURE IT WORKS, TURN IT ON, MAKE SURE THE SIMULCAST TIMING IS CRITICAL, UM, MAKE SURE THAT ALL WORKS AND WE'LL BE HERE ON SITE TO DO THAT AS WELL AS A TRAINING, UM, THAT WILL HAPPEN HERE, SEDONA, FOR THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE. AND THEN, UM, THERE'S SOME OTHER FILTERING AND WHAT HAVE YOU THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. SO THAT'S OUR COMMITMENT TO YOU ON THAT PRICE. AND THAT'S IT. HOW'D I DO? GOOD. VERY GOOD. QUICK QUESTION. SO WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT YOU PULL OUT A UNIT FOR SEND OUT FOR REPAIR AND YOU JUST POP A NEW ONE IN, WILL WE HAVE OR SIT ON A FIRE? WILL THEY HAVE REPLACEMENT PARTS SO THAT WE'RE NOT DOWN ANY EQUIPMENT AND IS THERE ANY REDUNDANCY? SHOULD SOMETHING GO AND, UH, AWRY AND WE DON'T WANNA HAVE A, A TOWER DOWN OR WHATEVER THE EQUIPMENT IS AT THE HIGH TECH STUFF? YEAH, GOOD QUESTION, MR. MAYOR. THE, THERE IS, SEDONA IS GETTING THE SAME SPARE PACKAGE FOR THEIR RADIO SYSTEM. SO REALLY WE HAVE TWO RADIO SYSTEMS TOGETHER. AND SO THEY WILL HAVE THEIR SPARE PACKAGE APPROPRIATE TO THE MATH THAT WE DID FOR HOW MANY SITES AND BOXES THEY HAVE. AND, UM, THE CITY OF SEDONA POLICE WILL HAVE THE SAME. SO YEAH, THERE SHOULD BE PLENTY FOR ANY KIND OF REDUNDANCY OR, YOU KNOW, LIGHTNING STRIKES OR WHAT HAVE YOU. DOES IT AUTOMATICALLY ROLL OVER TO THE OTHER SYSTEM? SHOULD WE HAVE A LIGHTNING STRIKE AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY, YEP. TOWER GOES IN. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. YEP. ALRIGHT. VICE MAYOR, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. WE COULD GO TO THE, THE SEDONAS IN MARS. , THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. HOW MUCH IMPROVEMENT ARE WE GONNA GET IN THESE? I MEAN, ARE THEY, I IMPROVABLE WE HAVE A TERRAIN THAT WE CAN'T CHANGE, HAVE MOUNTAINS THAT DON'T MOVE. SO HIGH SCHOOL, CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT? WE'LL JUST TALK GENERALLY OF THOSE BRANDS. OKAY. YEAH. YES. IT'S A HUGE IMPROVEMENT COMPARED TO WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY. OKAY. YES, IT'S SIGNIFICANT. YES. SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT, YES. THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WHERE ARE THESE PARTS MADE? OH, GOOD QUESTION. UM, SO ALL OVER QUESTION. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO ALL OVER THE PRICING THAT YOU HAVE IS, IT'S, WE'VE COMMITTED TO IT, RIGHT? UNTIL THE END OF WE'VE COMMITTED TO THE PRICING UNTIL THE END OF THIS QUARTER. SO, UM, THIS QUARTER, WELL, BUT THAT DOESN'T HELP US SINCE JULY 1ST IS THE START OF OUR FISCAL YEAR, RIGHT? SO JULY 2ND, I DUNNO, WE'LL THINK OF SOMETHING, BUT MY POINT BEING IS THAT MOST OF OUR EQUIPMENT IS MADE, SOME OF IT'S MADE IN CANADA, SOME OF IT'S MADE IN THE US IT'S PUT TOGETHER IN THE US SO A MAJORITY OF IT IS IN THE US BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE COMMITTED TO THAT PRICE. OKAY. AVAILABILITY? YES, BECAUSE AVAILABILITY IS NOT THE PROBLEM. DO YOU HAVE, YOU DON'T ORDER FOR EACH CLIENT YOU HAVE? YES, WE HAVE. WELL, SO WHEN I SAY, [02:50:01] WHEN I SAY CUSTOMIZED, THE EQUIPMENT'S THE SAME. IT'S JUST HOW WE USE THAT EQUIPMENT. NO, I UNDERSTAND. BUT OKAY. YOU KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE WORLD. YEAH. I'M TRYING NOT TO SAY ANYTHING . SO YOU HAVE THE EQUIPMENT OR YOU HAVE TO ORDER? YES. YOU HAVE THE EQUIPMENT. WE DO HAVE THE EQUIPMENT, YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, KATHY? SO, YES, THE FISCAL YEAR QUESTION. UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS NOW FOR APPROVAL, BUT THIS ACTUALLY, THE ORDER WON'T GO IN UNTIL JULY ONE, RIGHT? SO THIS IS FOR FISCAL YEAR 26? THAT IS CORRECT, YES. I'M JUST, WHEN THE, AND WAIT, WE DISCUSSED THAT? YEP. YEAH, THERE WERE. OKAY, PETE, THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU KNOW, AS AN ENGINEER I HAVE A HUNDRED QUESTIONS, BUT AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I KNOW HOW COMPLEX AND DIFFICULT THESE PROJECTS ARE. I APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE STAFF THAT CAN TAKE IT ON AND, AND SUPPORT FROM THE, FROM THE VENDORS. THESE ARE, THESE ARE REALLY INTERESTING AND VERY DIFFICULT COMPLEX PROJECTS, SO THANK YOU. OKAY, GARRETT, BRIAN, ANYTHING GOOD? OKAY, MELISSA, NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. JUST WANNA BE SURE. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE NO CARDS. UH, SO WHY DON'T WE GO TO, UH, FINAL COMMENTS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS? I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING. OKAY. THEN CAN WE HAVE A MOTION? YES. YES. I, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE LINKING AGREEMENT WITH TRON, INC. FOR PD OH TWO RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE ENHANCEMENT, CIP IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,107,587 AND 30 CENTS. 30 CENTS. SECOND. OKAY, SECOND. BY WHO? PETE. OKAY. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AND YOU OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS. OKAY. GREAT JOB, AARON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. CHRISTMAS. [8.c. AB 3150 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of City Hall Window and Door Replacement Construction Contract to Caliente Construction, Inc. in the amount of $248,490.] OKAY. UM, AB 31 50 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF OF CITY HALL WINDOW AND DOOR REPLACEMENT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT TO, UH, ENTE CONSTRUCTION INC. IN THE AMOUNT OF $248,490 AND 20 CENTS. NO . GOOD EVENING. , EVEN NUMBER. THANK YOU. HEY, SANDY. UM, GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR. WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS EVEN QUICKER THAN THAT. THAT'S OKAY. SO WE ARE GONNA ZOOM THROUGH THIS. SO, UM, THIS CAMPUS WAS CONSTRUCTED BACK IN 1997 AND WE'VE DONE QUITE A FEW OF THE FACILITY ASSESSMENTS TO LOOK AT WHAT'S REQUIRES THE FIRST ATTENTION OF, UM, I'M SORRY, SANDY PHILLIPS PUBLIC WORKS. LARRY FAR HAT FACILITIES MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR. CAN'T RECOGNIZE HIM WITH I KNOW YOU LOOK PRETTY GOOD. DRESSED NICE. THEY'RE PRETTY SHARP. UM, SORRY I JUMPED INTO THINGS. IT'S OKAY. SO, UM, WE'VE, UM, LOOKED AT THE FACILITY AND WE'RE PARTNERING WITH SUSTAINABILITY AND, UM, LARRY AND HIS TEAM HAVE IDENTIFIED CRITICAL NEEDS. AND SO WHAT'S BEFORE YOU IS A PROJECT TO REPLACE FIVE DOORS AND THREE WINDOWS. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT IS, IS WE'RE ONLY DOING SMALL PORTIONS BECAUSE STAFF IS SUPER BUSY. AND WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE, SO WHAT WAS PICKED OUT AND SCOPED IN THIS PROJECT IS IT'S GOING TO BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AND SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE A MISHMASH OF DOORS AND WINDOWS. SO, UM, AS YOU KNOW, UM, A LOT OF OUR DOORS ARE, HAVE GAPS. AND SO THE EFFICIENCY THAT WE STRIVE FOR, UM, IS NOT THERE. A LITTLE GAP. IT'S A LITTLE GAP. SO THEY'VE BEEN SLOWLY, UM, REPLACING SOME WINDOWS. SO WE'VE BEEN NICKING AT THIS. SO THIS IS JUST A CONTINUATION. AND THIS IS ALSO BEFORE YOU IN THE BUDGET FOR FY 26 IS TO CONTINUE TO DO, UM, UH, CONTINUE TO WORK AT ON THE CRITICAL PIECES OF THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY. SO, UM, JUST A COUPLE PICTURES OF THE BUILDINGS, UM, WE'RE STARTING ON THE VOLTI, SOME OF THOSE DOORS THERE. UM, YOU ALL KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN IN A MEETING THERE, YOU KNOW WHICH ONE THAT IS. . SO, SO THE LEAD TIME'S SUPER LONG, SO WE'VE GOT 10 TO 12 WEEKS. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS STARTED. THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION TIME WILL ONLY BE 21 DAYS, AND OF COURSE, LARRY AND HIS TEAM WILL COORDINATE WITH STAFF, UM, AND WE'LL FIND SOME PLACE FOR THEM TO WORK WHILE THEY'RE WORKING ON THE FRAMES. AND I HAD TO INCLUDE A PICTURE. , , [02:55:01] THAT PLAYGROUND DID THAT . UM, I'M AT THE BREWER OFFICE OFTEN, AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, THERE'S KIDS THERE ALL THE TIME. IT IS, BUT THERE'S NO KIDS IN OUR CITY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. YEAH, GREAT JOB. ANOTHER GREAT JOB. IT WAS GORGEOUS. YEAH, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF IT. SO IT WAS, ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. HOW LONG YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE IT THROUGHOUT THE CAMPUS, RIGHT? YES. IT'S A MULTI-YEAR PHASE PROJECT. SO DO YOU KNOW, UH, HOW LONG THAT ENTIRE PROJECT WILL TAKE WITH ALL ITS PARTS AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU'RE OUT? DEPENDING ON THE BUDGET, BUT I THINK FOR 26 IT'S LOOKING, WE'RE TRYING TO GET 600,000, SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO QUITE A BIT MORE IN 26. UH, I WOULD IMAGINE IT WOULD BE FOR THE WHOLE CITY HALL COMPLEX, A FIVE YEAR PHASE PROJECT. FIVE YEAR? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME, MAYOR PETE. YEAH, THANK YOU. MAYOR. I, I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY MORE DIRECTED TO ANNETTE OR PERHAPS BARBARA. HOW DO I THINK ABOUT WHY THIS IS A CIP FUNDED PROJECT VERSUS MAYBE A RESERVE PROJECT? AND WHAT ARE, WHY ARE DOORS AND WINDOWS NOT IN OUR BUILDING, YOU KNOW, KNOWN REPLACEMENT RESERVE? OKAY. SO THANK YOU JOANNE, FOR TURNING THE MICROPHONE ON HELPFUL. UM, THE REALLY OVER TIME, I THINK WE WILL START TO INCLUDE THESE KINDS OF THINGS IN OUR SORT OF ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT. I THINK THE REALITY IS THAT THESE ARE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WE COULD HAVE ANTICIPATED, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY ARE A CAPITAL PROJECT. UM, NORMALLY SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD BE A CAPITAL PROJECT, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE THOSE FUNDS SORT OF AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, LIKE BUYING A ANOTHER CAR. AND WE, WE KNOW THAT CAR IS DONE WITH ITS USEFUL LIFE. WE'VE ALREADY PUT THOSE MONIES IN THE FUND. UM, UNFORTUNATELY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THE THE COST IS MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT WE WOULD'VE BEEN PUTTING IN. SO IN THIS CASE, IT'S A LITTLE UNIQUE, BUT GENERALLY FOR A MAINTENANCE RESERVE LIKE THAT, IT, IT WOULD COVER THINGS LIKE THIS. YEAH, I'M, I'M PLEASED TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT, BARBARA. 'CAUSE I, I FOR ONE, OPERATE ON A PHILOSOPHY OF WHEN WE AS A CITY BUILD A BUILDING OR PUT IN A SIDEWALK, WE REALLY SHOULD BE BUDGETING FOR THE ONGOING COSTS OF THESE THINGS AND NOT HAVE UNFUNDED THINGS HANGING OUT THERE IN THE CIP PROGRAM. SO, THANK YOU. OKAY. KATHY? NO, DEREK, BRIAN, DON'T FEEL YOU HAVE TO. LARRY, THANKS FOR PREVIOUSLY ANSWERING MY QUESTION ABOUT THE BREAKOUT BETWEEN MATERIALS AND LABOR. YOU'RE WELCOME. CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO, I MEAN, WHAT IS IT THAT REALLY DR DRIVES THAT MATERIAL COST? BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF UNITS IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT A BIG NUMBER, BUT THE COST PER UNIT'S PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL. SO BEING THAT IT'S A COMMERCIAL FACILITY, UM, THE PRODUCTS THEMSELVES ARE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE FOUND ON A RACK IN A WAREHOUSE. MM-HMM . SO THESE ARE GONNA BE ALL CUSTOM BUILT. UM, THEY ARE DESIGNED TO LAST LONGER THAN YOUR RESIDENTIAL WINDOW. UM, THE LIFE EXPECTANCY ON THE NEW WINDOWS IS 30 PLUS YEARS, UH, WITH A WARRANTY. I BELIEVE IT'S 15 YEARS ON MANUFACTURED DEFECTS. I THINK THAT'S DRIVING THE PRICE. UM, BUT OUR FIXTURES HERE, THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS ARE UNIQUE. THEY ARE COMMERCIAL, BUT THEY ARE A, UM, OR WOOD WITH A BRONZE CLAD METAL EXTERIOR FINISH. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOUR STANDARD RESIDENTIAL VINYL WINDOWS. UM, THEY'RE JUST BUILT TO LAST LONGER. AND THAT'S PUSHING THE PRICE. IT IS AN AMERICAN MADE PRODUCT. UH, IT'S, UH, MADE IN MINNESOTA, UM, BY MARVIN WINDOWS. UM, AND THEY WEREN'T AVAILABLE UP UNTIL RECENTLY. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY QUITE LUCKY TO CONVERT TO A DIFFERENT BRAND, UM, AND NOT HAVE AN AESTHETIC THING GOING ON FOR FIVE, SIX YEARS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. UM, IT, IT JUST GETS UP THERE. SO, BUT THIS IS JUST FOR SIX DOORS, RIGHT? IT'S FOR FIVE, FIVE OPERATING DOUBLE DOORS MM-HMM . AND THEN THREE FIXED PANEL DOUBLE WINDOWS. AND THE HEIGHT ON, ON THESE FIXTURES ARE, UH, SLIGHTLY ABOVE EIGHT FEET. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOUR STANDARD, UH, RESIDENTIAL OR EVEN INTERIOR DOOR, WHICH IS GONNA BE ABOUT 81 OR 82 INCHES IN HEIGHT. UM, SO THAT ADDS TO THE COST, BUT ALSO THAT THEY HAVE TO BE CUSTOM FABRICATED. THEY'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT EVEN BEFORE THEY ORDER, THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND THE MANUFACTURER REP VERIFY SIZES, SO THERE'S NO DISCREPANCY. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE MY ANSWER. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU, MAYOR MELISSA, VICE MAYOR. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE NO CARDS FOR THIS. OKAY. [03:00:01] UM, SO LET'S GO FOR FINAL COMMENTS. ANY, ANYTHING AT ALL? OKAY. ANY FINAL COMMENTS? JUST GLAD THAT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DRIVE A TRUCK UNDERNEATH THE GAP IN THE VOLTE CONFERENCE ROOM ANYMORE. THANK YOU. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT ONE FOR FIVE YEARS. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE. I MOVE TO APPROVE AWARD OF THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH CALIENTE CONSTRUCTION INC. FOR THE CITY HALL WINDOW AND DOOR REPLACEMENT PROJECT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $248,490, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A WRITTEN CONTRACT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. OKAY, SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [8.e. AB 3188 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding proposed State legislation, short-term rental legislation, lobbying efforts, and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona.] ALRIGHT, KURT, WE'RE GOING TO SWITCH, SWITCH OVER TO YOU AND KATHY SENSEMAN, WHO CAME ALL THE WAY FROM A LONG WAY AWAY. JUST SAY, HI. THANKS SANDY . YEAH, I WONDERED WHY THAT WENT OFF. I DUNNO. I REALLY NEED IT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. UH, HAPPY TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. UH, WITH THE CITY LOBBYIST, KATHY SENSEMAN, UH, WE SENT OUT THE REPORT, UM, EARLIER, NOT A LOT TO REPORT OTHER THAN THE, THE LAST BILL THE CITY WAS SUPPORTING HB 2023. THE MUNICIPAL GENERAL PAN PLAN AMENDMENT BILL, UH, FAILED BECAUSE IT, UH, DIDN'T GET A, UH, HEARING IN THE SENATE, UH, DESPITE PASSING OUT OF THE HOUSE, UH, 50 SOMETHING TO ZERO. SO, UM, IT LOOKED REALLY GOOD MOVING FORWARD. AND THEN I JUST NEVER MADE IT ANYWHERE, UM, IN THE, IN THE SENATE. AND THEN FOR AT LEAST ON THE FLIP SIDE, TWO BAD BILLS, THE CITY HAD REGISTERED AGAINST SB 1313, THE MUNICIPAL RECYCLING PROHIBITION, WHICH PROHIBITED THE CITIES FROM EVEN ENCOURAGING RECYCLING OR RECOMMENDING RECYCLING, UM, FAILED. AND, UH, HB 24 26, THE MUNICIPAL COUNCIL VACANCIES, UH, BILL FAILED ALSO, WHICH, WHICH REQUIRED COUNCILS, UH, TO, UM, APPOINT FILL VACANCIES EARLIER THAN, UH, WHAT IS CURRENT PRACTICE. SO, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO REPORT ON, ON WHAT WAS SENT OUT. BUT, UH, UH, KATHY HAS SOME MORE TO REPORT, BUT HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL AT ANY TIME. HI, MAYOR. COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY. I'M GLAD TO BE HERE IN PERSON. THE FIRST THREE MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION ARE A LITTLE BUSY, SO IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO GET UP HERE JUST WITH THE TIMING OF THINGS. SO I'M REALLY HAPPY TO BE HERE WITH YOU ALL TODAY. UM, I THOUGHT I'D START WITH JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. SO WE'RE 86 DAYS IN, UM, AND WE'VE PASSED KIND OF ALL THE DEADLINES THAT THEY HAVE FOR BILLS TO BE HEARD IN COMMITTEE. UM, SO REALLY ALL THAT'S LEFT FOR THEM TO DO THAT'S HOLDING UP SESSION IS FOR THEM TO GET A BUDGET DONE, WHICH DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO GET DONE ANYTIME SOON. UM, ON, ON A HAPPY NOTE ON THAT THOUGH, IS THEY ARE, UM, THE STATE DOES HAVE, UH, REVENUE. SO WE'RE NOT IN A DEFICIT POSITION WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT STATE SHARED REVENUE BEING, YOU KNOW, UH, ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK FOR NOW. UM, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY THINK THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PROBABLY APPROXIMATELY ABOUT $600 MILLION FOR DISCRETIONARY SPENDING, UM, THAT THEY'RE GONNA DIVIDE UP BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE AND THE GOVERNOR. SO WE'LL SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE'RE REALLY WATCHING FOR IS KIND OF THIS, UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR IS DEMOCRAT AND THE LEGISLATURE IS REPUBLICAN. AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THREATS GOING ON OF IF THE GOVERNOR'S GONNA KEEP VETOING BILLS THAT THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE KEEPS SENDING THAT THEY COULD REFER, UM, SOME OF THOSE BILLS TO THE BALLOT. SENATE PRESIDENT HAS INDICATED THAT HE COULD REALISTICALLY SEND UP TO A DOZEN OR MORE QUESTIONS TO THE BALLOT FOR THE NOVEMBER, 2026. UM, AND SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, THE FOOD TAX, WHICH DOESN'T AFFECT YOU GUYS, UM, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ONE. UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER ONE OUT THERE THAT IS, UM, WHAT WAS IT? SCR UH, 1001, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A TWO THIRDS VOTE FOR ANY TAX INCREASES THAT A CITY, OR IF YOU SEND IT TO THE VOTERS, IT WOULD REQUIRE A TWO THIRDS VOTE. UM, THAT MIRRORS WHAT IS THE STANDARD PRACTICE AT THE LEGISLATURE THAT REQUIRES A TWO THIRDS VOTE FOR ANY TAX INCREASE. SO I THINK THEY'RE THINKING WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER. UM, AND SO, UH, SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY SEE, UH, A REFERRAL ON WATER, UM, WHICH I THINK NO ONE THINKS IS A GOOD IDEA TO VOTER PROTECT WATER LAW IN THE STATE. UM, AND SO, UH, HOUSING IS ANOTHER ONE. AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE HOUSING BILLS THAT ARE OUT THERE IN A SECOND. [03:05:01] UM, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY REFERRING, DON'T YOU STOP, I'M SORRY, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE STOP ME. I'M HAPPY TO, I I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE TWO THIRD, UH, FOR TAX INCREASE MM-HMM . AND YOU SAID THAT THAT'S STANDARD PRACTICE ALREADY IN THE LEGISLATURE. CORRECT. BUT ISN'T THAT FAIRLY RECENT THAT, THAT WAS RAISED TO THAT THRESHOLD IN THE LEGISLATURE? DIDN'T THAT JUST HAPPEN IN THE PAST COUPLE YEARS AS WELL? N NO, UH, MAYOR, UH, COUNCILWOMAN, UM, NO, FOR THE LEGISLATURE, IT'S BEEN THAT WAY ON THE LAST, UH, NOVEMBER BALLOT, THERE WAS, UH, A QUESTION TO THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE, FOR BALLOT MEASURES WOULD REQUIRE A 60% VOTE. OKAY. YEAH. IT WAS A VOTER ENACTED REQUIREMENT ON THE LEGISLATURE, I BELIEVE. YEAH, CORRECT. YEAH. BUT IT WAS A WHILE AGO. I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND I JUST AS A POLICY NERD, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU VOTE OR PROTECT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THE LEGISLATURE CAN ONLY FURTHER THE ACT. THEY CAN'T GO BACKWARDS ON IT. AND SO, UM, AND IT'S A THREE FOURTH VOTE TO CHANGE ANYTHING. SO WHEN PEOPLE VOTE ON SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT AND IT PASSES, IT'S REALLY SET IN STONE AND THE ONLY WAY TO FIX IT IS TO GO BACK TO THE BALLOT. SO THAT'S WHY I PERSONALLY THINK IT'S KIND OF DANGEROUS THROWING, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE POLICY ISSUES THAT SHOULD BE A BILL TO THE VOTERS AND LETTING THINGS FALL WHERE THEY MAY, LIKE, ELECTION LAW IS A BIG ONE THAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT AS WELL, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT CONSENSUS THERE. UM, AND SO WE'RE KIND OF ALL WAITING TO SEE IF THAT WAS AN IDLE THREAT OR, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE'RE AT THAT STAGE OF SESSION WHERE WE'RE THROUGH COMMITTEES AND NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, UM, ALL OF THE BILLS GETTING SENT TO THE GOVERNOR PROBABLY, OR THE MAJORITY OF THEM SENT TO THE GOVERNOR IF THEY'RE PASSED IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS OR SO. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT'S KIND OF THE BIG HANGING ONE THAT EVERYONE DOES WANT TO REFER TO THE BALLOT IS PROP 1, 2, 3 ON EDUCATION, BECAUSE THAT IS EXPIRING IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, UM, WHICH IS $300 MILLION TO EDUCATION. BUT THE LEGISLATURE DID, UH, PUT A PLACEHOLDER OF MONEY IN THE BUDGET. SO SCHOOLS WILL BE KEPT WHOLE, EVEN IF THAT EXPIRES. AND SO, UM, THERE, THERE ISN'T A CONSENSUS YET ON WHAT TO DO. THERE'S KIND OF THE, JUST DO THE SAME THING FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, YOU KNOW, LIKE KEEP THE STATUS QUO, DON'T MAKE ANY CHANGES. AND THEN THE KIND OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SPECTRUM IS, UM, LET'S EARMARK IT ALL FOR TEACHER PAY. UM, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD GIVE APPROXIMATELY BACK OF THE NAPKIN MATH IS $4,000 PER TEACHER PAY RAISE. WOW. UM, AND THAT WOULD MOVE US KIND OF IN THE NATIONAL SCALE OF ALL 50 STATES TO RIGHT IN THE MID TWENTIES, UM, FOR BOTH STARTING TEACHER PAY AND FOR, UM, UH, OVERALL TEACHER PAY. AND SO THAT SEEMS TO BE A MOTIVATING FACTOR FOR SOME MEMBERS OUT THERE. UH, THE, THERE ARE SOME REPUBLICANS THAT ARE PUSHING TO MEMORIALIZE, UM, UH, UH, SCHOOL CHOICE AND SPECIFICALLY EMPOWERMENT SCHOLARSHIPS, ESAS, UM, INTO THE, THE PROPOSITION. UM, AND SO WE WILL, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT. SO GOING BACK TO MY ADMONISHMENT ABOUT PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT, THEN IT'S SET IN STONE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE RAMIFICATIONS. AND I THINK, UM, I THINK THE GOVERNOR IS PUSHING TO HAVE THESE NEGOTIATIONS ALONGSIDE THE BUDGET IN ORDER TO HAVE SOME LEVERAGE, UH, IN THE NEGOTIATIONS. UM, BUT, BUT WE'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE A, A REFERRAL TO THE BALLOT ONLY REQUIRES A SIMPLE MAJORITY OF THE LEGISLATURE. AND AS YOU KNOW, THE LEGISLATURE NOW HAS A TWO SEAT KIND OF CUSHION REPUBLICAN CUSHION THERE. SO, UM, SO THERE'S A LOT KIND OF GOING ON THERE, BUT ALSO NOTHING, 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IT, A LOT OF WHAT IFS. UM, BUT WE'RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS THERE, BUT WE ASSUME IT'S GONNA GO ALONGSIDE THE BALLOT. UM, JUST ON FRIDAY, I WAS TALKING WITH THE, UM, THE SENATE, UH, APPROPRIATIONS CHAIRMAN, AND HE SAID, WHAT'S THE HURRY? YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY PUT KIND OF EARMARKED THE MONEY TO KEEP SCHOOLS WHOLE, SO WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO DO A BALLOT REFERRAL IMMEDIATELY. WE COULD WAIT AND DO IT IN NOVEMBER, 2026. BUT AS YOU GUYS ALL KNOW, THAT'S THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS. AND SO THERE'S BIG QUESTION MARKS OF WHAT, WHAT WILL THE ELECTORATE DO? UM, AND HOW WOULD THAT FARE IN THAT ENVIRONMENT? AND SO THERE'S JUST A WHOLE LOT OF QUESTION MARKS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THAT. BUT I THINK EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME TABLE PAGE IS THAT SOMETHING DOES NEED TO BE DONE AND SOMETHING DOES NEED TO BE REFERRED. IT'S JUST THE DEVIL IN THE DETAILS THAT WE'LL SEE ON THAT. KATHY, COUNCIL FULL QUESTION. KATHY, WERE YOU SAYING THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF A BALLOT REFERRAL THAT WOULD COMBINE THE 300 MILLION AND MAKING ISA PERMANENT? UH, MAYOR, UH, COUNCILMAN, UM, UH, YES AND NO. SO THE 300 MILLION, SO WHAT THEY DID WAS, IN THE LAST REFERRAL ON IT, THE PROP 1, 2, 3 WAS TO INCREASE THE WITHDRAWAL FROM THE STATE TRUST LAND OR THE STATE TRUST THAT'S THERE FOR EDUCATION. SO IT WENT FROM 2.5 TO 6.9%. [03:10:02] WOW. THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT CONTINUING THAT 6.9%. AND IF YOU ALL REMEMBER 10 YEARS AGO, THE SKY WAS FALLING AND THAT WAS GONNA DEPLETE THE ACCOUNT, AND WE WERE GONNA START GOING BACKWARDS WITH THE CORPUS OF THE ACCOUNT. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. WE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE MONEY AND IT'S GROWING. SO I THINK PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE KEEPING THAT 6.9 AT THAT 6.9% NUMBER THAT YIELDS $300 MILLION. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THAT $300 MILLION COMES FROM. SO IF THEY WERE TO GO BACK TO 2.5, THEN YOU'RE ONLY IN LIKE THE 125, 150 MILLION RANGE FOR EDUCATION. OKAY. BUT I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT AND TYING THAT WITH ISSA VOUCHERS. YES. OKAY. SORRY, MAYOR. SORRY, MY COUNCILMAN, UH, THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION, YES. UM, THEY, THERE ARE SOME REPUBLICANS THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT, UM, ADDING FROM A SCHOOL CHO SCHOOL CHOICE PERSPECTIVE, ADDING LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY END UP VOTER PROTECTING ESAS AS A FUNCTION, AS A FUNCTION OF EDUCATION. I THOUGHT THAT STATE LAW SAID THAT YOU CAN'T COMBINE APPLES. I MEAN, THAT, TO ME, THAT'S APPLES AND ORANGES. AND I THOUGHT THAT STATE LAW SAYS YOU CAN'T DO THAT. WELL, I THINK THEIR ARGUMENT IS IT'S ALL ABOUT STATE FUNDING. WHAT IS THAT STATE FUNDING PAYING FOR? AND SO I THINK THAT THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE PEOPLE CAN EASILY CREATE A BRIDGE TO WHERE THEY WANT TO GO. GOT IT. ON THAT. BUT, UM, BUT I DON'T THINK IT, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT THAT VIOLATES THE SINGLE SUBJECT RULE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CONTINUE. I HAVE A QUESTION. OH, HOLD ON. YES. YEAH, GO HOLLY. I'M JUST WONDERING, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY, UH, STATISTICS THAT SHOW THAT SINCE THE SSA PROGRAM WAS STARTED THAT SCHOOL, THE CHILDREN ARE DOING BETTER? ARE WE MEASURING PROGRESS BY STANDARDIZED TESTS OR WHATEVER THEY USE TO MEASURE PROGRESS? UM, MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL WHEN PLAGUE, UM, NO, BECAUSE, UH, PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THE STANDARDIZED TESTING. SO THERE IS REALLY NO APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON OF WHERE, WHERE PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE AND WHERE FOLKS EXERCISING THE ESA AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE. SO IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE THAT. BUT I CAN SHARE, 'CAUSE THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL, LIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, TIRADE IS OUR THIRD GRADE READING LITERACY IS JUST HORRIBLE, RIGHT? LIKE, WE'RE IN LIKE THE 30% FOR THIRD GRADERS ACROSS THE BOARD READING. AND WHEN YOU START LOOKING INTO DEMOGRAPHICS AND KIND OF DRILLING DOWN ON THAT, UM, CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHICS ARE IN THE TEENS AND SINGLE DIGITS. IT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THIRD GRADE LITERACY AND KIDS READING IS JUST A HORRIBLE STATE RIGHT NOW. BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF MY PERSONAL TIRADE ON THAT. BUT THAT'S MEASURED JUST FROM PUBLIC SCHOOLS, CORRECT? PUBLIC SCHOOLS, CHARTER SCHOOLS, DISTRICT SCHOOLS, YEAH. YEAH. CORRECT. BUT, BUT AT LEAST VICE MAYOR, YOU SHOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE NOW KNOWING THAT THE E OF VOUCHERS CAN'T BE USED TO PAY FOR EARTH'S FLAT BOOKS AND BATHROOM REMODELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE'S REALLY SOLID CONTROLS IN PLACE NOW. THANK YOU . ON THAT NOTE, I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SUBJECT. UM, SORRY TO GET OFF SUBJECT, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT, THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EDUCATION EARLIER AND IT'S AN IMPORTANCE TO SO MANY OF YOU. SO JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT. UM, I'LL QUICKLY GO INTO HOUSING. UM, A LOT OF THE HOUSING BILLS HAVE DIED, UM, THANK GOODNESS. UM, THE, THE ONE THAT'S OUT THERE THAT, UH, THAT HAS MOST OF THE, THE LEAGUE AND THE CITIES, UH, ON FIRE IS 1229. UM, THAT'S THE PLANNING HOME DESIGN RESTRICTIONS. UM, THAT ONE IS FOR COMMUNITIES OF 70,000 POPULATION AND OVER. SO IT REALLY DOESN'T IMPACT US. THEY ARE POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT, UM, LOWERING THAT POPULATION THRESHOLD, THE 35,000. BUT AGAIN, THAT STILL ISN'T EVEN GETTING CLOSE TO TOUCHING YOU GUYS. THERE'S ALWAYS NEXT YEAR THERE'S YEAH, EXACTLY. BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE ONCE IT GETS IN, ONCE IT GETS IN, UH, LAW, IT'S VERY EASY TO CHANGE NUMBERS. AND SO, UM, SO WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON THAT ONE. UM, AND, UH, I THINK THAT THEY'RE KIND OF CALLING IT A CAUCUS SPLITTER BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF REPUBLICANS THAT, THAT ARE ON ONE THAT ARE OPPOSED TO IT. A COUPLE JUST CAME OUT TODAY ON, ON TWITTER ON X SAYING THAT THEY, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WANNA, THIS DOESN'T REALLY BALANCE LOCAL CONTROL AND HOW HOUSING NEEDS. AND SO, UM, SO I THINK THAT THERE'S A FULL COURT PRESS ON THAT ONE, SO YOU MAY HEAR ABOUT THAT, BUT AGAIN, IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT YOU. UM, THE 1529, WHICH WAS THE MUNICIPAL HOUSING FOR PRE-APPROVED DESIGNS, UM, THAT ONE, UH, IS MOVING, IT'S PASSED KIND OF AT THE FINAL STAGES. UM, AND THEN 24 47, [03:15:01] WHICH WAS A SELF-CERTIFICATION PROGRAM, UM, THAT ONE THE GOVERNOR DID, UH, DID SIGN. AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE WHOLE DEBATE IS AROUND THIS 1229 RIGHT NOW ON THE HOUSING ISSUE. UM, BUT I DID WANNA TALK QUICKLY ABOUT THE HOUSING TRUST FUND THAT'S OUT THERE. UM, SO THAT IS 1357 SENATE BILL 1357. UM, THE GOVERNOR, WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY THE GOVERNOR. UM, THE LEGISLATURE IS USING CONTINUATION BILLS, AND THIS IS THE HOUSING FUND CONTINUATION BILL. AND THERE ARE SOME IN THE LEGISLATURE THAT ARE USING CONTINUATION BILLS THAT SHOULD JUST BE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE FOR 10 MORE YEARS, SEVEN MORE YEARS, WHATEVER THAT, YOU KNOW, IS USUALLY 10 YEARS IS THE MAX. UM, AND PUTTING A LOT OF POLICY IN IT TO TELL THOSE AGENCIES WHAT TO DO. AND SO THIS ONE, UM, ON THE HOUSING TRUST FUND IS REALLY NO DIFFERENT. UM, THEY ARE, UH, ACTUALLY, UH, WAS GOING TO BE, UH, UH, CONTINUED TILL I THINK 20 29, 20 30. UM, AND THEN AN AMENDMENT JUST RECENTLY, THEY ARE ONLY CONTINUING IT FOR ONE YEAR. AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THAT AGENCY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A, UM, A SUNSET REVIEW PROCESS AGAIN AND KIND OF ALL OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, LOBOTOMY THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO BE CONTINUED. AND SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT HITS A, UM, I THINK IT'S A LEGISLATIVE WAY TO ENACT PAIN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SO MUCH TO THAT PROCESS AND UNCERTAINTY TO IT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO OPERATE AN AGENCY. UM, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DO, THEY ARE APPROPRIATING IN THAT, IN THAT CONTINUATION ANOTHER $1.65 MILLION. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER BILLS THAT ARE OUT THERE, SUCH AS THE DD, THE DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITY BILL THAT WAS JUST DROPPED THIS WEEK, UM, IN THAT BILL, IN ORDER TO SOLVE THE $122 MILLION, UM, CRISIS AT DES FOR DD UH, POPULATION, THEY ARE LOOKING AT WITHDRAWING, UH, WHAT WAS IT, $38 MILLION FROM THE HOUSING TRUST FUND TOWARDS THAT 122 MILLION. UM, AND THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT SOME OTHER FUNDS LIKE THE ARIZONA COMMERCE AUTHORITY, UM, WITH THE COMPETES FUND TAKING $10 MILLION OUT OF THAT. UM, AND SO THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT SPENDING THE, THE KIND OF THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR SPENDING, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO PULL IT FROM OTHER, UM, EXECUTIVE AGENCIES TO FUND THAT $122 MILLION SHORTFALL. UM, AND THEN THERE'S BEEN A WHOLE HOST OF COMMITTEE HEARINGS ON, YOU KNOW, UH, BUDGET MISMANAGEMENT BY THE GOVERNOR. AND SO IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATELY I THINK CREATED A LITTLE BIT OF A POLITICAL CIRCUS AROUND THIS POPULATION OF KIDS AND FAMILIES. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE HOW, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT. BUT I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE LEGISLATURE IS TRYING TO PLAY POLITICS AND SEND THE GOVERNOR A BILL THAT, UM, UH, THAT THEY KNOW SHE WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR HER TO SIGN BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE CHRISTMAS TREE ADD-ONS TO IT. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT. BUT EVERYTHING LIKE THE, IF THERE WAS A, UH, NAME OF THE GAME FOR THE LEGISLATURE, IT WOULD BE LEVERAGE, YOU KNOW, ON EVERYTHING, UH, DOWN THERE. UM, I DID WANT TO TOUCH REALLY QUICKLY ON 1517, WHICH IS THE OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE BILL. UM, I KNOW I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS, UM, WITH ANNETTE AND WITH KURT AND THE MAYOR AND SEVERAL OF YOU, YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT. UM, THE, THE ORIGINAL BILL, UH, HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY AMENDED AND PAIRED DOWN. AND SO BEFORE THEY WERE TRYING TO RAISE THE WEIGHT OF OFF HIGH WHEEL VEHICLES BY A THOUSAND POUNDS. AND WHEN I TALKED TO THE POLARIS LOBBYIST, SHE HAD SHARED THAT NOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MORE ELECTRIC MOTORS, THAT THEY ARE HEAVIER. AND SO THEREFORE THEY NEEDED THAT INCREASE IN THE VEHICLE WEIGHT. YEAH. IN 1517 THOUGH, THEY DO GO BACK TO THE 2,500 AND IT'S NOW ABOUT THE, UM, TEMPORARY GENERAL USE PERMIT FOR OUT OF STATE, UM, FOLKS COMING IN. UM, SO, UM, WE'LL STILL BE WATCHING IT FOR THAT GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT, BUT, UM, IT HAS SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED FROM WHERE IT WAS, UM, IN ITS FIRST ITERATION OUT THERE. UM, ANY, ANY INDICATION THAT IT'S GONNA GET A, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE SECOND OR THIRD READ WHERE IT'S AT IN THE HOUSE. UM, OH, WHERE DID IT PUT IT? UH, YEAH, IT, IT DID IT, IT SHOULD, IT PASSED OUT OF CAUCUS. YEAH, THIS PAST WEEK. UM, THE BILL IS, UM, WHEN IT PASSED OUT OF THE SENATE, IT WAS 1711, WHICH INDICATES THAT THAT'S A PARTISAN BILL VOTE. UM, SO WE'LL SEE WHAT THAT VOTE LOOKS LIKE IN THE, IN THE HOUSE WHEN IT COMES OUT, BECAUSE THAT WILL BE KIND OF A TELL OF WHAT THE GOVERNOR MAY DO. UM, HISTORICALLY IN THE FIRST TWO YEARS, UM, OF OUR GOVERNORSHIP AND IN THIS YEAR SO FAR, BILLS THAT HAVE A STRICT PARTISAN LINE VOTE HAVE GENERALLY ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY [03:20:01] BEEN MET WITH A VETO. UM, SO WE'LL SEE HOW, HOW THIS BILL FAIR IS COMING OUT OF THE HOUSE AND KIND OF BE ABLE TO, TO GUESS, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE THAT TRAJECTORY MAY BE. UM, AND THEN I THINK I'VE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE BILLS THAT I HAD ON MY LIST FOR YOU. UM, OH, AND SO OBVIOUSLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE, SHORT TERM RENTALS, SORRY, I JABBER. UM, BUT, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO AS YOU KNOW, OUR BILL NEVER EVEN GOT ASSIGNED TO A COMMITTEE, AND SO IT'LL PROBABLY GET ASSIGNED TO A COMMITTEE ON THE VERY LAST DAY OF SESSION. AND SO, UM, HAD SOME VERY HEATED WORDS WITH THE SPEAKER AND HIS CHIEF OF STAFF. UM, PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST UNPROFESSIONAL MEETINGS I'VE EVER HAD IN 25 YEARS OVER THIS BILL. UM, WE WERE, UM, MOVING TO HAVE A STRIKER IN HOUSE GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE AND THE SPEAKER SHUT THAT DOWN, SO WE COULD NOT DO THAT. UM, BUT WE'VE CONTINUED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND, AND LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS AND, UM, MAYOR AND I HAVE, UM, SPEED DIAL TALK ALL THE TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT STRATEGY AND THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING. AND SO I THINK, UM, AS WE'VE BEEN MOVING THE CONVERSATION, 'CAUSE IN THE PAST IT'S BEEN, WE JUST NEED TO FIX THE WHOLE THING FOR THE WHOLE STATE, RIGHT? AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE LEAGUE HAS PUSHED THINGS TO BE THIS KIND OF LIKE ONE SIZE FITS ALL APPROACH TO FIXING THAT. AND THAT JUST DOESN'T HAVE ENS CONSENSUS WITH ANYONE REALLY. UM, ONLY BECAUSE IT'S THE SCOTTSDALE PARTY HOUSES ARE NOT THE PROBLEMS THAT, THAT WE HAVE HERE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND SO THERE, THERE'S JUST NOT A COHESIVENESS IN THAT. BUT WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT RURAL ARIZONA, UM, MEMBERS PERK UP AND WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. IN FACT, SOME OF THE MOST CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE HAVE SAID, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN FIGURING OUT HOW TO SOLVE FOR A SEDONA SIZE KIND OF IN SMALLER AND SEE IF THAT WORKS, GIVING LOCAL CONTROL AND YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT DO? AND THEN EXPANDING IT FROM THERE. AND SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME TRACTION WITH SOME UNLIKELY FOLKS, UM, ON THIS ISSUE. UM, AND IT HELPS THAT WE'VE HAD A, UM, KIND OF CAST A WIDE NET OF THE, A LOT OF THE FOLKS THAT WE'RE TALKING TO ABOUT THIS. AND SO, UM, THERE ARE SOME REPUBLICAN BIG DONORS THAT HAVE STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT IT THAT WE'RE ASKING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND THAT SEEMS TO BE MOVING THE NEEDLE. UM, SPEAKER HAS PROMISED THAT HE WILL, UH, COORDINATE A MEETING WITH US, UM, WITH THE GOLDWATER INSTITUTE AND SOME OTHERS TO KINDA SEE WHAT WE CAN HASH OUT PERHAPS. UM, AND I'M WORKING, WORKING ON THAT. UM, AND REPRESENTATIVE BLACKMAN, WHO IS THE HOUSE GOVERNMENT CHAIR, UM, WORKING WITH HIM AND REPRESENTATIVE BLISS AND REPRESENTATIVE ETTE TO GO TO THE SPEAKER AND SAY, I WANT HAVE A SPECIAL COMMITTEE HEARING TO FOCUS ON RURAL ARIZONA AND RURAL, UM, UH, RURAL SHORT TERM RENTAL ISSUES. UH, WHICH I THINK WILL DOVETAIL NICELY INTO, UM, A LOT OF THE WORK THAT THE MAYOR HAS BEEN DOING WITH, WITH THE, UH, UM, MAYOR FORUMS AND SOME OF THE ACTIVITY OF JUST THE BEING ON THE PHONE. I APPRECIATE, PROBABLY BURNED OUT YOUR PHONE, MAYOR, OF ALL THE CALLS YOU'VE BEEN MAKING TO MAYORS. UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, EVEN AMONGST RURAL, THERE WASN'T A COMPLETE CONSENSUS ON WHAT WE SHOULD DO. AND SO THERE WAS, UH, REPRESENTATIVE GILLETTE HAD A BILL FOR MOJAVE COUNTY THAT DEALT WITH FROM THE COUNTY ASSESSOR THAT DEALT WITH, UM, UH, THE PROPERTY TAX, UM, HER POSITION WAS, THE ASSESSOR'S POSITION WAS, LOOK, IF THEY'RE ACTING LIKE AN AIRBNB, THEY'RE ACTING LIKE A HOTEL, THEN THEY SHOULD BE TAXED AT THE COMMERCIAL RATE. AND SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING OUR STRIKER, UM, I, AND THE, THE LOBBYISTS FROM THAT AREA WERE ARGUING OVER WHAT SHOULD BE IN THE STRIKER, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO IT, BUT THEN THE SPEAKER SHUT IT DOWN. SO WE STOPPED ARGUING ABOUT IT, BUT IT WAS KIND OF LIKE THIS, WELL, WHAT SHOULD WE DO? AND THEN WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY TAX MAY BE THE EASIER FIX, AND SO LET'S JUST FOCUS ON THAT, WHICH DOES NOTHING FOR US. AND SO I WAS ARGUING WE SHOULD BE SHOOTING FOR THE MOON BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE VOTES. IF WE COULD GET THIS THING TO THE FLOOR, WE DO HAVE THE VOTES BETWEEN THE DEMOCRAT CAUCUS AND WITH THE, YOU KNOW, AND EVEN THE SPEAKER WHEN I SPOKE TO HIM, SAID, HE GOES, I BET THE MAJORITY OF MY REPUBLICAN CAUCUS WOULD VOTE FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL BILL. YES, SIR. WHAT IS SHOOT THE MOON TO YOU, . YEAH, WELL, A FULL, FULL LOCAL CONTROL, YOU KNOW, UM, YEAH, BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DOES THAT MEAN, OH, NOW WE CAN CAP IT, BUT EVERYTHING'S GRANDFATHERED, SO WE'RE STILL STUCK WITH 18% HERE OR SOMETHING TO CLAW BACK. YEAH, I MAYOR, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER FULTZ. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK FOR THAT IT WOULD, [03:25:01] BECAUSE OF THE, UM, UH, THE TAKINGS, UH, ISSUE, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A GRANDFATHERED IN AND THROUGH ATTRITION ABLE TO DIAL, TO DIAL THAT BACK WITHOUT FACING A LAWSUIT. BUT IT'S THE STATE LEGISLATURE THAT CREATED THE PROBLEM. SO HOW ABOUT THEY PAY THE 2 0 7 CLAIMS? YEAH. WELL, I'M GONNA PHONE A FRIEND WITH KURT ON THAT ONE. I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR FOLTZ. YEAH, AND, AND KURT'S HEARD ME WITH, WITH THESE RAMBLINGS FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS RUNNING NOW. SO THANK YOU, KURT. TELL BRIAN AND KURT, UH, EVEN KATHY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT WOULD HAPPEN GRANDFATHERING, BUT IT WOULD ALSO GIVE US THE RIGHT TO NOW, UH, CHARGE THEM A YEARLY INSTEAD OF $250 FINE, 2,500 OR A THOUSAND, WHATEVER IT WOULD BE. UH, DO MORE INSPECTIONS. BUT YOU SEE, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD GET IN TROUBLE BECAUSE THEY, I'M SURE THEY'D BE LOOKING LIKE IF THEY GAVE US THAT, YOU KNOW, OLIVE BRANCH AND WE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IT AND WE WENT CRAZY THAT WE'D GET, WE'D GET HURT LATER ON. BUT IT, THEY, I THINK IT WOULD GIVE US OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO CONTROL THEM BETTER. AND THEN WE COULD TURN AROUND AND SAY, UH, WELL, WE'D HAVE NO MORE, BUT YOU'RE GONNA, NOW YOU HAVE TO MEET THE FIRE CODES OR YOU HAVE TO MEET WHATEVER CODES. IT WOULD GIVE US SOMETHING. AM AM I CLOSE TO BEING RIGHT KURT? THAT IS HOW I SEE IT. AND THEY, THEY ARE KIND OF THREE SEPARATE ISSUES. THE STRS AND THEN GRANDFATHERING IS IN KYLIE, DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE STATUE THAT IT APPLIES ANYTIME ANYONE HAD BUILT SOMETHING LEGALLY AT THE TIME, AND THEN IT BECOMES LATER ILLEGAL OR LEGAL NON-CONFORMING USE. AND THEN THE SAME THING WITH PROP 2 0 7, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A VOTER. UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A PROPOSITION, SO THE VOTERS DID THAT. SO THE LEGISLATURE CAN'T NECESSARILY GET AROUND THAT ANYWAY, SO WE'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH THOSE NO MATTER WHAT LOCAL CONTROLS EVERY, WHERE ARE THEY WITH THAT COUNTY BILL FOR THE TAXING. UH, IT ALSO WAS NEVER ASSIGNED TO A COMMITTEE AS WELL. IT PRETTY MUCH EVERY STR BILL THAT WAS IN THE HOUSE DID NOT GET ASSIGNED TO A COMMITTEE AND WILL PROBABLY BE ASSIGNED, LIKE I SAID, ON THE LAST DAY, BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO ASSIGN EVERY BILL. OH, OKAY. VICE MAYOR, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE SPEAKER RE THE FORMER, THERE WAS A FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF WHO JUST RETIRED. CORRECT. SO THE NEW CHIEF OF STAFF IS THE SAME MINDSET. MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PLU. UM, IN THE CONVERSATIONS WITH CESAR CHAVEZ AND, YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING THE, THE NEW CHIEF OF STAFF, UM, WE'RE OPTIMISTIC THAT IT WILL BE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION BECAUSE, UM, THE NEW CHIEF OF STAFF DID NOT PREVIOUSLY WORK FOR THE GOLDWATER INSTITUTE. YEAH, I JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTION. YEAH. . AND THE MOST UNPROFESSIONAL MEETING YOU'VE HAD IN 30 YEARS WAS WITH THE FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. MY SECOND QUESTION, WHICH IS CHANGING THE SUBJECT. SUBJECT, ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT MEDICAID AT ALL? UH, MAYOR COUNCILMAN PLU? UM, YES, A LOT. AND, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THE LEGISLATURE IS NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT EVERY HEALTHCARE ENTITY, UM, THAT YOU CAN IMAGINE, I REPRESENT, UM, A HOSPITAL, UM, ONE OF THE MAJOR HOSPITALS IN THE VALLEY. AND THAT IS ALL I TALK ABOUT WHEN WE'RE THERE. AND IT, AND IT IS WHAT IS THE TRICKLE DOWN FROM WHAT THE FEDS DO TO US. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE THE, UM, UH, CRITERIA. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE HAD A MEDICAID EXPANSION THAT IN, UH, I THINK GREW THE MEDICAID POPULATION TO 135% OF POVERTY. UM, AND SO WE'RE WORRIED THAT THAT COULD GET DIALED BACK. AND THEN ALL OF THE, THE ANCILLARY ISSUES THAT COME WITH THAT OF, YOU KNOW, UN UM, UNINSURED CARE GOING TO EMERGENCY ROOMS AND, YOU KNOW, THE INCREASED COST TO EVERYONE, UM, OUT THERE. AND SO, YEAH, SO IT IS TALKED ABOUT. THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF LIKE EVENTS AND LUNCH AND LEARNS WITH LEGISLATORS AND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO PREPARE FOR, FOR WHAT POSSIBLY COULD COME DOWN. AND I MEAN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN THROWN AROUND AS IT COULD BE BELOW A BILLION DOLLAR HOLE IN OUR, IN OUR STATE BUDGET, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT WITH MEDICAID. AND SO IT, IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD NOT BE GOOD. 'CAUSE OUR RAINY DAY FUND ONLY HAS ABOUT $1.5 BILLION IN IT. AND THAT'S KIND OF A, FOR A BILLION DOLLAR PROBLEM, THAT'S, WE WOULD SOLVE IT FOR A YEAR MAYBE. UM, AND SO IT'S, IT'S SIGNIFICANT. AND I KNOW FOLKS ARE GOING BACK TO DC AND TALKING TO THE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION, UM, AND, UH, TRYING TO HEAD IT OFF, BUT NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IS ACTUALLY GONNA COME OUT OF THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANKS MAYOR. KATHY, CAN YOU GIVE US ANY INSIGHT AS TO WHAT HAPPENED TO, UH, BLISS'S BILL ABOUT SMALL CITIES AND VOTING ON THE GENERAL PLANS AND WHETHER IT'S [03:30:01] GOT A FUTURE OR NOT? YOU KNOW, DO YOU RECALL WHAT NUMBER? I DON'T RECALL THE NUMBER. KURT, RECALL KURT, WHAT NUMBER THAT IS? THE FIRST ONE IS THE FIRST ONE. YEAH. UH, UH, YEAH, I MEAN THE, UH, MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FURMAN, UM, THAT BILL NEVER RECEIVED A HEARING IN THE SENATE. AND WHAT HAPPENS A LOT OF TIMES IS THAT BOTH CHAMBERS KIND OF PASS OUT EACH OTHER'S BILLS. 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF HARD TO LOOK SOMEONE IN THE EYE SITTING IN THE SAME CHAMBER, AND THEN IT GOES TO THE OTHER CHAMBER, AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE WHEEL OF DEATH, YOU KNOW, OVER THERE FOR A LOT OF, FOR A LOT, LOT OF BILLS WHEN THEY CROSS CHAMBERS. AND SO IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. UM, I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS ONE OF WHAT GOT CAUGHT UP, UM, IN THAT ISSUE. UM, SO NO, I, I'M SORRY. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY ABOUT THAT ONE, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY MAKE SOME INQUIRIES ABOUT THAT FOR, I'D BE INTERESTED IN ALSO KNOW WHETHER IT'S SENATOR BLISS, THANK YOU FOR CARRYING THE BILL AND PUSHING THE EFFORT, BUT, YOU KNOW, ARE DOES SHE STILL HAVE THE APPETITE TO CARRY IT AGAIN? AND YEAH. WELL, UM, MAYOR, UH, COUNCILMAN FURMAN, UM, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTATIVE BLISS IS, IS REALLY A FABULOUS MEMBER FOR, FOR THIS COMMUNITY. UM, SHE AND I WERE JUST TALKING THIS WEEK, SHE CALLED ME WITH AN IDEA ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SO SHE'S STILL THINKING ABOUT THAT, AND I THINK HER HEART IS VERY MUCH IN HOW DOES SHE HELP THE COMMUNITY. UM, AND SO I'LL, I'LL REACH OUT TO HER AND ASK HER ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, KINDA WHAT SHE KNOWS ABOUT THAT. UM, BUT SHE HAS BEEN, I I WOULD SAY, UM, IN THE TIME THAT SHE'S BEEN DOWN THERE, WHEN SHE TAKES ON AN ISSUE ONCE, SHE DOESN'T ABANDON IT. AND SO I WOULD, UM, I WOULD THINK WITHOUT HAVING TALKED TO HER, UM, GIVING HER THE BENEFIT OF HAVING TALKED TO HER, UM, THAT THIS COULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHE WOULD TAKE ANOTHER RUN AT, LET HER KNOW I TRIED TO GIVE HER A PROMOTION. YEAH. , WHAT TIMES? CHARM. . OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, MAYOR, CAN I JUST TALK, UH, ABSOLUTELY. THERE WAS JUST ONE MORE BILL THAT I, I WANTED TO BRING UP TO YOU GUYS. UM, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU AND NO IMPACT. UM, BUT THERE IS AN AXON BILL, IF YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD ABOUT THAT ONE. THAT'S THE BIG, KINDA LIKE FORTUNE 500 COMPANY IN SCOTTSDALE THAT, YOU KNOW, HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF ISSUES WITH IT. SENATE BILL 1543. UM, AND SO, UM, WHILE IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU GUYS DIRECTLY, THE, IF AXON MOVES OUT OF THE STATE, WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT IT WOULD BE THE TAXES THAT THEY PAY WOULD BE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS CUT TO THE STATE BUDGET. AND THE PAYROLL, THE PAY, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT THEIR PAYROLL IS OVER 400 MILLION. AND SO IF THEY WERE FORCED TO RELOCATE, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT THE PROPONENTS FOR THE BILL ARE MAKING OF LIKE, WHY, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE SHOULD BE ON BOARD WITH THIS BILL IS BECAUSE OF, AND, AND THE ARGUMENT THAT THEY WERE MAKING TO ME ABOUT, UM, ANOTHER ONE OF MY MUNICIPAL CLIENTS THAT'S A LARGER CITY, UM, OF WHY THEY SHOULD BE ENGAGED IN IT, WAS BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT THE STATE SHARED REVENUE IF THE BILL DOESN'T PASS, AND AXON DOES IN FACT LEAVE THE STATE. AND SO, UM, SO THERE'S A BUNCH OF ISSUES THAT DON'T DIRECTLY IMPACT YOU, BUT HAVE THESE LIKE KIND OF TENTACLES INTO, UM, OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT DO IMPACT SMALLER CITIES. AND SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. NOT SUGGESTING YOU TAKE A POSITION OR DO ANYTHING ON IT, BUT JUST THAT A, THAT IS A BILL WITH HIGH STAKES THAT GOES BEYOND JUST THE POPULATION IN, IN THE BILL. UM, THAT, THAT I'M KEEPING AN EYE ON WHO'S FOR IT, WHO'S AGAINST IT? UH, SO, UM, , SO AGAINST IT IS PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE, UH, SCOTTSDALE LEGISLATORS ARE VEHEMENTLY, YOU KNOW, OPPOSED TO IT. UM, AND THEN IT, IT'S KIND OF A HODGEPODGE OF REPUBLICANS AND, AND DEMOCRATS. AND, UM, I TALKED TO ONE OF THE PROPONENTS OF IT TODAY, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THE FENCE IF IT'S, IF IT'S GONNA PASS OR NOT. UM, BUT IF I COULD TELL A QUICK STORY, WHAT'S REALLY FUNNY IS I WAS TALKING TO ONE OF THE, UM, FOLKS FROM SCOTTSDALE LEGISLATOR THAT'S FIGHTING IT, AND HE WAS SAYING, HE GOES, GOSH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RURAL, UH, YOU KNOW, LEGISLATORS ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE KILLING US ON THIS BILL. AND HE GOES, THEY JUST ARE, ARE SUCH A BLOCK, THEY VOTE IN A BLOCK, YOU KNOW? AND, AND I WAS LIKE, YOU REALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY THINK SO BECAUSE TRYING TO WRANGLE ALL THE RURAL LEGISLATORS, YOU KNOW, ON SHORT TERM RENTALS AND OTHER THINGS IS LIKE HERDING CATS SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF THESE ISSUES. BUT HIS PER, BUT HIS PERCEPTION OF THE RURAL CAUCUS WAS, YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS BILL AND, AND BECAUSE IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM. AND SO THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE THESE FREE AGENTS OF HOW THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY'RE GONNA VOTE ON IT. IT'S VERY MUCH THE ULTRA CONSERVATIVES ARE OPPOSED. AND, UM, UH, AND THEN THERE'S KIND OF THE REST OF THE BOTH CAUCUSES ARE, ARE THERE. AND SO IT WAS JUST KIND OF THIS REALLY INTERESTING DYNAMIC, WHICH, AND I'LL KIND OF CONCLUDE MAYOR OF, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, THAT THERE'S THAT PERCEPTION OF THE RURAL CAUCUS, AND THEN THERE'S THE ACTUALITY OF IT. AND, UM, AND I THINK THE [03:35:01] WORK THAT THE MAYOR'S DOING WITH RURAL MAYORS TO TALK TO THEM AND GET 'EM ON THE SAME PAGE IS SO IMPORTANT. BECAUSE I'VE HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE, UM, ONE THAT HAVE BEEN VERY, UM, GRATEFUL TO THE MAYOR FOR BEING SO OUTSPOKEN ABOUT IT IN THE MEDIA, HAVING THESE FORUMS, UM, BUT ALSO ARE SAYING LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE A RURAL CAUCUS AT THE LEGISLATURE. YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEED TO START EDUCATING OUR RURAL MEMBERS INSTEAD OF JUST, YOU KNOW, LETTING THEM GO TO THE CAPITOL. AND THEN RURAL ARIZONA REALLY DOESN'T TALK TO THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, AND SO THERE'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, LATINO CAUCUSES, THERE'S MI MINING CAUCUSES, THERE'S WATER CAUCUS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL THESE CAUCUSES, BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A RURAL CAUCUS THAT IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, DOING THE LUNCH AND LEARNS OF LIKE ONCE A MONTH, BRINGING ALL OF THEM IN AND HAVING FOLKS LIKE YOU COME AND SPEAK TO THEM ABOUT IMPORTANT ISSUES. AND I THINK KIND OF THE WORK THAT THE MAYOR'S DONE AND, AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNCILMAN PLU AND OTHERS, YOU KNOW, HAVE DONE ON THIS ISSUE, UM, I THINK ARE ALL BUILDING UP TO DOING MORE OF THAT AT THE LEGISLATURE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA ELEVATE A LOT OF THESE RURAL ISSUES AND CREATE THAT BLOCK, UM, AT THE LEGISLATURE. BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, WE, IT WAS DIFFICULT GETTING ON THE SAME PAGE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY TAX AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANNA DO WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH MORE LOCAL CONTROL. AND, AND I THINK THE MORE WE KEEP TALKING AND THE MORE WE KEEP BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER, UM, THE BETTER SHAPE WE'RE GONNA BE ON, NOT JUST SHORT TERM RENTALS, BUT ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT AFFECT, UM, UH, RURAL ARIZONA. AND I THINK WE NEED TO ELEVATE THAT VOICE OF THE, THE CHALLENGES THAT, THAT YOU ALL HAVE. SO I, I'LL CONCLUDE THERE. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BE VERBOSE THIS EVENING. I KNOW WE'RE, IT'S GETTING LATE IN THE EVENING, BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KATHY, BEFORE YOU JUST GO, SO WHENEVER WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING, UH, THIS MAYOR'S FORUM, IT SUGGESTED WE BRING SOME OF THE COUNTY SUPERVISORS TOGETHER MM-HMM . BY US WORKING TOGETHER WITH THEM, NOT IN THE QUORUM, RIGHT? IT WOULD JUST BE A FEW OF EACH THAT YOU THINK IT'LL MAKE A BIGGER DIFFERENCE AT THE CAPITAL. YES. I MEAN, I THINK THE MORE WE CAN AMPLIFY THE RURAL VOICE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE, AND THE MORE WE CAN, UM, LEVERAGE PEOPLE'S RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEIR LEGISLATORS, AND SO THEY'RE HEARING FROM, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE FRIENDS, ELECTED FRIENDS, AND THEY'RE STARTING TO HEAR ABOUT THAT WHEN THEY GO TO DISTRICT MEETINGS OR THOSE SORT OF THINGS. SO I THINK, I THINK THE MORE WE CAN SPEAK TO PEOPLE LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYOR, YOU AND I LIKE TALK TO THE, THE RURAL SCHOOLS ASSOCIATION, YOU KNOW, NOT TOO LONG AGO AND, AND TRYING TO HELP SOME OF THESE GROUPS THAT KIND OF ONLY SEE THEIR ISSUE ON THIS, RIGHT? AND, AND TRYING TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THAT LIKE, YOU MAY NOT CARE ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BUT WHEN YOU'RE SEEING DECLINING ENROLLMENT AND YOU'RE SEEING ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS, THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR AND THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD CARE ABOUT THAT ISSUE. AND SO, UM, THE MAYOR AND I, AND ESPECIALLY THE MAYOR, HAVE BEEN TALKING TO ANYONE THAT WILL LISTEN TO US ON THIS ISSUE AND TRYING TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE WHEN THEY MIGHT NOT THINK IT IS DIRECT IMPACT TO THEM. AND SO WE'VE BEEN, I THINK, MAKING SOME GOOD INROADS, BUT AGAIN, I THINK FOCUSING ON OR HELPING TO FOSTER A RURAL CAUCUS, UM, OF, OF, OF LEGISLATORS THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, HAVE FOLKS LIKE YOU TAKING TIME TO COME TO THE CAPITOL AND TALK TO THEM, UM, AND REALLY FOCUSING ON SOME KEY ISSUES, I THINK IS GOING TO, TO MOVE THE NEEDLE IN THE FUTURE. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN THIS YEAR. AND, AND I APOLOGIZE. I, I HATE LOSING ON AN ISSUE, BUT I KNOW FOR LACK OF TRYING. YEAH. BUT, UH, BUT YEAH, BUT I THINK, I THINK, I THINK IT, WE, WE HAVE MOVED THE BALL FORWARD. IT MIGHT NOT JUST FEEL LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE. UM, AND I THINK THERE ARE FOLKS THAT WE'RE TALKING TO THAT HAVE NEVER TAUGHT, WANTED TO TALK TO US ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND SO WE JUST NEED TO FOSTER THAT OVER THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, TILL NEXT SESSION, MAYBE SOME PEOPLE WILL RESIGN AND RUN FOR CONGRESS OR ATTORNEY GENERAL OR OTHER POSITIONS. SO WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES. THANK YOU, KATHY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. UH, ITEM [8.f. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items.] F AB 30 66, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS. BRIAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED? I DO. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF, UH, COUNSEL WOULD ENTERTAIN IZING AN ITEM TO DISCUSS, UH, WILDFIRE SAFETY IN THE, WITH, WITH THE SPECIFIC FOCUS AROUND, UH, POTENTIAL ORDINANCE FOR, UH, FIREWISE, UH, FOR FIRE BREAKS AROUND THE CITY. SO IT COULD INVOLVE FOREST SERVICE, UM, BUT WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE INTEREST IN DISCUSSING THAT AS A PROACTIVE STEP FOR THE CITY TO TAKE TO PROTECT ITS RESIDENTS FROM WILDFIRE. DO YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST? UH, POINT OF ORDER. KURT, CAN I ASK WHAT, WHAT'S OUR RULES NOW? , UH, THREE COUNSELORS TO AGENDIZE IT. I SUPPORT IT. [03:40:02] I SUPPORT IT. I SUPPORT IT. I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO WON'T SUPPORT THAT. YOU, I JUST WANNA SEE WHO, WHO, WHAT YOU WERE GONNA SAY. OKAY. AND ARE THERE ANY OTHER FEATURING AGENDA ITEMS? DO WE NEED TO RESTATE THE EARLIER ONE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT? I THINK WE CAPTURING OR, OR NOT? I THINK WE SHOULD, WHAT WAS IT AGAIN? . THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING, BECAUSE I DON, ARE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY HAS AN OPTION FOR LOOKING AT OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT AND HOMELESS CHILDREN? YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE. AND, AND WHAT WE WOULD DO TO MOVE THAT FORWARD. YES. YES. THANK YOU, MELISSA. YES. WELCOME. THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T WANT TO FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS. RIGHT? I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I ALSO HAD NOTED ONE OTHER REQUEST DURING YOUR DISCUSSIONS, AND THAT WAS BRINGING BACK MORE REVISIONS FOR THE RENTAL CAR PROGRAM. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. WE HAVE 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. UH, ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. WE DO NOT HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW. I KNOW BRIAN'S REALLY UPSET ABOUT THAT. DISAPPOINTED SO, AND KATHY WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK. SO, OKAY. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. [10. ADJOURNMENT] THANK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.