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[Historic Preservation on April 14, 2025. ]
YOU GUYS, THE, THE MICS ARE LIVE.
I THINK I'M THE LONGEST COMMISSIONER.
IT SEEMS LIKE I JUST KEEP GOING THROUGH LEADERS
WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE SEDONA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO ORDER.
UH, IF YOU'D ALL RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PGI TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
UH, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
I'VE GOT SOMETHING IF NO ONE ELSE DOES, BUT IF YOU GOT YOU, YOU'RE MOVING TOWARDS THE MIC.
I WAS JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UH, THIS IS THE LAST CHANCE YOU HAVE TO PICK ON ME.
'CAUSE, UH, NEXT MEETING GARY WILL, UH, BE IN THIS SEAT AND, UH, I'LL STILL BE HERE, BUT, UH, HE'LL, HE'LL BE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT ON THE, ON THE STAFF SIDE.
UM, UH, AND I'D LIKE TO ANNOUNCE TOO, THAT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY IS GOING TO BE HOLDING AN EVENT FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ON MAY 3RD IN THE HISTORICALLY LANDMARKED APPLE SHED, UM, CELEBRATING THE, UH, THE LANDMARK PROPERTIES THROUGH TOWN.
SO I THANK YOU, GARY, FOR PROVIDING A LIST OF THE, THE LANDMARK PROPERTY OWNERS AND, UM, THEY'VE GOT INVITATIONS TO COME AND, UH, TALK ABOUT, YOU'LL GET A COUPLE MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT WHAT MAKES THEIR PROPERTY SPECIAL.
WE'LL INVITE THE PUBLIC OUT AND, UH, HAVE A FUN LITTLE EVENING.
SO DETAILS WILL BE FORTHCOMING.
WE'LL MAKE SURE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND, AND CITY STAFF, UH, GET THAT.
DID YOU INVITE THE SBE DITCH PEOPLE? UH, THE, I HAVEN'T YET, BUT I WILL.
YEAH, BECAUSE YEAH, THEY'RE, IT'S LANDMARKED.
IT'S, I GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHO ALL ARE.
IF YOU COULD HELP WITH THAT, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
ANYTHING ELSE? HOW ABOUT POTENTIAL FOLKS THAT HAVE BUILDINGS THAT COULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, LANDMARK LANDMARKED? OH, INVITING THEM TO THE EVENT.
SO YOU JUST, YOU INVITE OH YEAH.
BUT CAN YOU GO? YEAH, WE COULD, WE COULD.
HOW YOU CONTROL, WE CONTROL THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COME.
I MEAN, THE FIRE MARSHAL WOULD SAY IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT
IT'S THE ONE OFF OF 1 7 9, AND WE LOOKED AT THAT ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO.
WHERE IS IT? IT'S JUST UP ABOVE, UM, COPPER CLIFFS.
UM, IT'S UP THERE IN NOT THE ARCHES.
WELL, HOLD, HOLD ON A SECOND, GUYS.
WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT ON OUR REGULAR BUSINESS.
UH, WELL, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS? I'M SORRY.
UH, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM MARCH 10TH, 2025.
DID EVERYBODY GET A CHANCE TO LOOK THOSE OVER? DONNA IS ALWAYS SO GOOD ABOUT GETTING THEM OUT YEAH.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ON IT HERE.
IF WE'VE GOT NO EDITS OR ANYTHING, WE'LL SAY THOSE ARE APPROVED.
MOVING ON TO THE PUBLIC FORUM, THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA.
THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO A RS 38 DASH 4 31 0.01 H, ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO ANY CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
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ANY CARDS? NO.CONNIE, THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE.
MOVING ON TO REGULAR, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM.
MOVING ON TO REGULAR BUSINESS DISCUSSION OF INVITING SHIPPO TO SEDONA HPC FOR CLG TRAINING.
UH, THIS WAS LEFT ON, UM, JUST, UH, AS A FOLLOW THROUGH.
UM, EVEN THOUGH BOTH DONNA AND I HAVE TRIED TO CONTACT A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TRYING TO JOIN US,
SO MULTIPLE EMAILS, UM, AND NO RESPONSE.
DON'T, DON'T THEY HAVE A NEW DIRECTOR THAT I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK THE ONE, THE SMALLER GIRL THAT WE KNEW THERE, I THINK I HEARD SHE'D GONE.
SO MAYBE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH.
SHE DID SEND OUT AN EMAIL A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
I FORWARDED TO DONNA ABOUT THE CONFERENCE, BUT I DIDN'T LOOK AT HER EMAIL TAG TO SEE IF SHE'D CHANGED TITLE OR ANYTHING.
IT COULD BE, THAT WOULD EXPLAIN A LOT THEN.
WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING OF TALKING TO THEM AT THE COM A CONFERENCE MM-HMM
TO MAYBE CONNECT WITH THEM AND GET SOME KIND OF A COMMIT, COMMIT COMMITMENT.
I THINK, UH, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT.
HECK, THE CONFERENCE IS COMING RIGHT UP NEXT MONTH, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO, YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN TRY TO PIN 'EM DOWN, UH, THOSE OF US WHO ARE THERE AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.
UM, YES, ARIANA FINALLY RESPONDED REGARDING HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THE CONFERENCE AFTER ABOUT TWO WEEKS, AND INDICATED THAT SHE HAD BEEN VERY BUSY GETTING READY FOR THE CONFERENCE.
SO EITHER APPROACHING HER THERE OR MAYBE GETTING A RESPONSE AFTER IT'S OVER WILL BE A BETTER BET.
DISCUSSION REGARDING THE COMMISSIONER'S REVIEW OF THE RIGBY HOUSE.
I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO COMMISSIONER STUPAC AND WOODS, WHO, UH, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WENT OUT AND SURVEYED, UH, THE OLD RIGBY HOUSE.
AND, UM, YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF THE SURVEY AND FOR PHOTOGRAPHS AND, UM, THEY'RE MUCH BETTER PHOTOGRAPHS AND SOME OF 'EM SHOW EVE'S DETAIL.
AND, UH, THE LAST PHOTOGRAPHS YOU SAW IT, THE, IT WAS PRETTY ROUGH AND THE FOLIAGE AND EVERYTHING.
UH, THE CURRENT OWNERS HAVE DONE SOME WONDERFUL THINGS, AND THERE IS A FEW CHANGES.
THE PA THE, UH, PATIOS WERE ENCLOSED, OR THE DECKS WERE ENCLOSED, BUT DONE WELL.
AND THERE IS OTHER EXAMPLES OF THAT HAPPENING.
AND STILL THE PLACE WAS ELIGIBLE FOR LANDMARKING.
THE CAVEAT OF THIS IS THAT THE CURRENT OWNER, UH, WOULD, DOES NOT WANT TO LANDMARK.
I THINK IF HE WASN'T TRYING TO SELL IT, HE WOULD BE QUITE AMENABLE TO IT.
BUT HE IS NOT WANTING TO HOPING FOR REZONING AND THE CURRENT, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN BUYING IT PRE FOR WAITING FOR REZONING WANT TO BUILD 200 APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
AND I'M HOPING WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TALK TO THEM AND CONVINCE THEM THAT MAYBE THE HOUSE, WHICH IS NOT PLACED IN A SITUATION WHERE IT WOULD PREVENT THE APARTMENTS BEING BUILT.
I'M THINKING THEY MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER IT AS AN OFFICE OR A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE, UH, UH, PARTIES OR, UH, A GATHERING PLACE.
AND SO I'M HOPING THAT AS THE TIME GOES BY AND, AND IT'S SOLD, AND I'M HOPING TO TALK TO THE NEW OWNERS, UH, COMING UP AND SEE IF THEY WOULD DO IT.
I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
UM, REZONING IN SEDONA, YOU KNOW, IS A NEGOTIATION FROM DAY ONE.
AND, UM, I THINK IF WE WOULD SOMEHOW BRING IT TO THE POINT THAT IF THIS PROPERTY WAS SAVED, MAYBE THEY COULD GET MORE, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE OR MORE DENSITY.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IF WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO LOOK DOWN THAT LINE, BUT, UM, IT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT IF WE COULD SAVE A HOUSE AND RECOMMEND, UM, SOME TYPE OF CONSIDERATION, UM, BUT STEVE, CAN WE DO THAT FROM THIS POSITION? OR IS IT JUST SOMETHING WE, AN IDEA? Y YOU CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT SUGGESTION, UM, BUT AS A COMMISSION, UM, WOULD NOT BE A PART OF THAT REZONING PROCESS.
BUT COULD WE, COULD WE WRITE A LETTER SAYING THAT WE FEEL THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT? ABSOLUTELY.
AND THAT ANY CONSIDERATION THAT COULD BE MADE TO SAVE IT, THAT WOULD MAKE
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BOTH PARTIES, UM, HAPPY, WE WOULD SUPPORT, UH, YES.THERE'S NO, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY YOU COULDN'T, COULD WE, OH, I'M SORRY.
COMMISSIONER, UM, HAVE, HAS THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED, UH, DENSITY TRANSFERS BEFORE DENSITY TRANSFERS? RIGHT.
IN OTHER WORDS, TAKING THAT AREA AND INCREASING THE DENSITY OUT OF THE COMMON AREA INTO THE, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION HAS DONE THAT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT P OH, P AND Z.
UM, THAT IS ACTUALLY WITHIN, UH, SOME OF OUR GUIDELINES THAT WHERE WE HAVE, UM, MAYBE ECOLOGICAL REASONS OR OTHER REASONS MM-HMM
THAT WE WILL SUGGEST TO THE DEVELOPER TO, UM, I JUST HAD THE WORD IN MY HEAD AND I JUST LOST IT.
UM, BUT TO, TO CLUSTER, THANK YOU.
UH, BUILDINGS TO SAVE OTHER AREAS.
WE, WE HAVE SOMETHING ON OUR BOOKS, I THINK WE DID SEVERAL YEARS BACK WHERE BUILDINGS OVER 50 YEARS OLD CANNOT RECEIVE A DEMOLITION PERMIT WITHOUT A WAITING PERIOD.
AND IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, WE COULD PUT COMMENTS ON THIS, ON IT.
DID WE BE ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY? SO IF WE WERE TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S ARTICULATE, WRITE A LETTER, UH, COULD WE GET IT ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY AND THEN MAYBE FORWARD A COPY TO P AND Z IN THE CITY AS FAR AS ATTACHING IT TO THE PROPERTY? THAT'S SOMETHING YOU, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE RECORDED THROUGH THE COUNTY.
UM, I, I REALLY COULDN'T ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS MAKING THE SUGGESTION FORWARD THAT FORWARDING THAT TO PC PNC, UM, YEAH, I DON'T SEE WHY THAT YOU COULDN'T.
AND TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE DEMOLITION, UH, THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR BUILDINGS OVER 50 YEARS.
UM, WE STILL HAVE THAT QUESTION.
HONOR, DEMOLITION, PERMANENT APPLICATION.
IS THE BUILDING MORE THAN FIFTH.
SO THEN WHEN YES, WE GO THROUGH, EXCUSE ME, THE PROCESS TO REVIEW THAT AND SEE IF IT NEEDS TO BE SURVEYED BEFORE.
OR IF WE CAN'T SURVEY IT FOR SURVEY IT BEFORE AND SURVEY ASIDE, IT'S GOTTA BE PHOTO DOCUMENTED AS PART OF THAT TOO.
RIGHT NOW, ONE, ONE, UH, P AND Z COMMISSIONER KATHY LEVIN WILL BE GETTING A COPY OF THE SURVEY ON THE PHOTOGRAPH.
SHE WAS VERY INTERESTED TO HAVE THAT.
AND, UH, SHE'LL BE GETTING IT.
I GAVE IT TO DONNA TO, UH, AND TOLD KATHY TO PICK IT UP FROM DONNA.
SO SHE WILL HAVE THAT AND SHE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE, UH, THE SURVEY AND HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS.
SO WITH MAYBE BEING ABLE TO, UM, HAVE THAT IN HER HAND, SHE MIGHT WELL, YEAH.
AND CERTAINLY KATHY IS, IS INTERESTED IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
SHE'S GOT A, A BACKGROUND IN IT VERY MUCH.
BUT, UM, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT WORKFLOW AND, AND GETTING LETTERS WRITTEN BASED ON WHEN WE'VE TRIED TO SET UP, UH, SUBCOMMITTEES AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
WE COULD HAVE SOMEBODY VOLUNTEER TO DO THAT, I SUPPOSE.
BUT, UM, UH, WOULD IT BE MORE DIRECT ACTION AND MORE, MORE OFFICIAL ACTION TO TAKING NON-BINDING RESOLUTION FROM THIS, FROM THIS BODY? IF SOMEONE WERE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CREATE A NON-BINDING RESOLUTION, SAYING THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION HOPES THAT, UH, THE, UH, THE NEW OWNERSHIP AS THEY'RE CONSIDERING DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY, UM, WOULD, WOULD CONSIDER SAVING THAT PROPERTY AND LANDMARKING THAT PROPERTY? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MORE AND MORE DIRECT? I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE, YEAH.
I THINK IT'D BE MORE DIRECT IN SAYING THIS.
WE HOPE THE CITY WOULD WORK WITH THE OWNER, UM, IN, IN A COMPROMISE THAT WOULD SAVE THE BUILDING.
THAT WOULD BENEFIT BOTH PARTIES.
WELL, AND THIS, AND THE ACTUAL SITE AND LOCATION OF THE HOUSE DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM PUTTING THE UNITS BECAUSE IT'S OFF TO ONE SIDE AND IT'S NOT TOTALLY, IT'S BEEN CUT OUT TO BE FLAT, BUT THE SURROUNDING IS MORE FLAT THAN WHERE, SO I, I, I LIKE THE IDEA IT SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION.
UH, WELL I THINK STEVE, WHAT YOU SAID IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING BECAUSE IT HAS TO BENEFIT BOTH PARTIES.
SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS WHEN YOU, UH, BRING UP THE FACT THAT THIS IS A VIABLE BUILDING FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
THE FOLKS THAT MAKE THE DETERMINATION ON, ON PLANNING AND ZONING HAVE I, I'D WANNA INFLUENCE 'EM IN A WAY THAT THAT WOULD HURT EITHER PARTY.
AND I JUST DON'T KNOW THE, THE CORRECT JARGON, BUT I I, I, THAT DOES MAKE ME NERVOUS.
BUT WHAT SHE SAYS, IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT
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THAT IT'S GONNA BE BENEFICIAL FOR BOTH.WELL, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THEY DO SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU KNOW, THEY TAKE THE WHOLE PLOT AND THEN YOU'RE ALLOWED TO BUILD X ON THE PLOT.
AND I KNOW THAT THEY CAN TAKE BUILDING A SPACE OUT AND IT DO NOT COUNT IN THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, I THINK KATHY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, AN EXPERT TO THAT.
BUT I THINK IF KATHY, IF I COULD SPEAK FOR HER, WOULD SAY, WELL, I HAD SOME INPUT FROM US MM-HMM
UH, THEY BROUGHT UP SOME VERY GOOD POINTS.
THESE ARE AREAS THAT BOTH SIDES CAN SIT DOWN AND WORK TOGETHER ON TO SAVE THE BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE BOTH SIDES ONE'S NOT BACKED INTO A CORNER WHERE THEY CAN'T BUILD.
UM, SO, HOWEVER, WELL, AND THAT YEAH.
AND TO THAT POINT, THAT'S WHY I WAS, I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO, MAKE A BINDING RESOLUTION ON THEM ANYWAY.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING IT'S A NON-BINDING RESOLUTION.
THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION FROM US THAT IF WE CAN FIND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN FIND A WAY THAT IS MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL.
I, WE CAN'T TAKE THAT ACTION TODAY, I DON'T THINK, BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY AGENDIZED FOR DISCUSSION.
SO WE'D HAVE TO DO THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING MM-HMM
UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD, UM, WE SHOULD DO WHOEVER'S TAKING, TAKING NOTES,
IT'S ALMOST, IT'S OVER 10 ACRES BECAUSE THERE'S AN OLD RUNDOWN SHED WITH AN OLD MOBILE HOME IN IT, THAT'S HIS PROPERTY THAT'S OFF TO THE SIDE.
AND, UH, SO IT COMES OUT TO A LOT MORE ACREAGE THAN IS SHOWN ON HERE.
AND SO IT GIVES THE POTENTIAL, UH, BUYERS MORE LAND THAT THEY CAN PUT APARTMENTS ON.
SO, UM, I, I, I DEFINITELY, UM, I HOPE WE CAN DO THE BINDING, THE NON-BINDING RESOLUTION TO WANT THAT STATEMENT.
I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE.
IF I MAY, UM, ASK YOU TO, UM, IDENTIFY A COMMISSIONER OR COMMISSIONERS NO MORE THAN TWO, UM, TO WRITE THAT RESOLUTION, UH, TO SEND IT TO ME SO THAT I CAN MAKE IT A PART OF THE NEXT MEETING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY VOLUNTEERS WHO WANNA STEP UP TO DO THAT? UH, YOU CAN
I CAN WELL, WHY DON'T YOU, WHY DON'T YOU DO IT? UM, BECAUSE YOU, YOU SEEM TO BE CONVERSANT WITH THE WHOLE, THE WORDING.
I CAN DO IT, BUT IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE WORDED VERY WELL.
AND I'LL RUN IT THROUGH SPELL CHECK.
SO I'LL PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND SEND THAT.
SO, SO ALSO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS, YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM STAFFING ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, HEY, WE THINK MAYBE THIS, UM, THAT RESOLUTION WILL BE PART OF THE AGENDA DISCUSSION NEXT MEETING, THAT THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS MAY LOOK AT IT AND SAY, HEY, I'D LIKE TO CHANGE THIS LINE OR THIS LINE CHART.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, UM, WE CAN PERHAPS APPROVE.
I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE IN P AND Z, UM, APPROVE THE RESOLUTION WITH THE REVISION OF THIS LINE.
YOU KNOW, UM, SO, UH, KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WELL.
WHERE, WHERE IS THIS PROPERTY CURRENTLY IN THE PLANNING QUEUE? IT'S NOT, IT IS NOT, UH, BEEN BROUGHT BACK TO US.
IS IT A POSSIBILITY, THE REASON IT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT BACK BECAUSE KATHY LEVIN WAS WAITING FOR THE SURVEY AND THE PHOTOGRAPHS? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? 'CAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY NEEDED TO HAVE, SO IT WOULDN'T BE UP TO, UH, MS. LE LEVIN.
UM, IT, 'CAUSE IT, IT WOULDN'T GET TO HER YET.
WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THEM GETTING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS BEFORE IT EVEN MOVES FORWARD.
UM, SO YEAH, WE'RE AT, WE'RE STILL AT THE STAFF LEVEL, UM, WHERE THEY HAVE NOT COME BACK TO US.
SO, SO IF WE APPROVE A LETTER IN JUNE, THAT SHOULD BE ADEQUATE AND TIME, TIME-WISE.
IN FACT, UM, IF THEY WERE TO COME BACK WITH CORRECTED, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING EVERYTHING THAT STAFF HAD TALKED TO THEM ABOUT, IT WOULD STILL TAKE STAFF A COUPLE WEEKS FOR THE REVIEW, THE RE-REVIEW.
UM, AND THEN IF EVERYTHING WAS OKAY, THEN YOU'D STILL BE LOOKING AT PUTTING THEM ON AGENDA, WHICH IS TYPICALLY ANOTHER MONTH, MONTH AND A HALF, TWO MONTHS OUT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE HOUSE ITSELF.
UM, AND, AND I KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER AK, COMMISSIONER WOODS PROBABLY, UH, SAW SOME THINGS.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT STOOD OUT THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE ABOUT, UH, WHAT YOU SAW AND YOU, YOU LIKE ME TO START? YEAH.
HE HAD THE OH, MY FIRST GO AROUND AT THIS.
UH, BUT ONE THING THAT'S STOOD OUT TO ME IS THAT THERE REALLY NO IMPROVEMENTS BEYOND THE EXISTING ROOF STRUCTURE.
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SO IN MY WAY OF THINKING, IF YOU EVER WANTED TO TAKE THIS BACK TO WHERE IT WAS, IT WOULD BE FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S AT LEAST THREE IMPROVEMENTS FILLING IN SOME SPACE UNDER THE ROOF.NOW, TO ME, WHAT'S EASY MIGHT NOT BE AS EASY TO OTHER FOLKS, BUT, UH, SO I WOULDN'T HAVE ELIMINATED IT AS A POTENTIAL, UM, HISTORIC BUILDING SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY, THEY FILLED IN PORCHES.
UM, THE, THERE'S FIREPLACES THAT HAVE BEEN STUC OUT.
I DON'T SEE THEM EVER TAKING THOSE BACK TO THE ADOBE.
UH, THAT'S PROBABLY A REAL ISSUE.
SO THEY HAD ADOBE FIREPLACES AND NOW THEY'RE STUCCO FIREPLACES.
SO IF THAT'S AN IMAGE THAT YOU CAN'T LIVE WITH, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
UM, THEY, THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB WITH KEEPING SOME OF THE DETAIL.
SO ON THE PHOTOS YOU CAN SEE SOME BEAM WORK AND SOME OF THE EAVES, ALL THAT STUFF'S IN GOOD SHAPE AND GOOD INTACT.
AND THEY ALSO WENT BACK TO ON THE ADOBE, AND THEY DID A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT SPOTS.
THEY HAD SOME SPOTS THAT WERE PROBABLY TOO FAR GONE.
SO IN THOSE SPOTS, THEY DID MORE OF A, A, A DRY WASH OVER THE ADOBE.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? IT, IT TAKES AWAY THE, EACH BRICK.
BUT IT'S STILL, IN MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, I SEE BUILDINGS GET IMPROVED LIKE THAT A LOT OVER THE YEARS.
SO IF A BUILDING'S 56 YEARS OLD, IT MIGHT GET THAT SORT OF IMPROVEMENT.
IT DOESN'T RUIN THE BUILDING, IN MY OPINION.
BUT THERE WERE A FEW SPOTS LIKE THAT, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN A LOT OF THE SILLS, EXTERIOR SILLS, SO THEY, THE WOOD WASN'T DETERIORATING.
UM, AND, UH, SO FROM OUR, FROM A FINISHES A MATERIALS STANDPOINT, I THINK THE BUILDING, HE'S DONE A GOOD JOB OF BRINGING IT BACK TO WHERE IT'S GONNA BE MAINTAINED A LITTLE LONGER NOW.
UH, OTHER, OTHER THAN THE FIREPLACES.
I, AND COULD THE ASK YOUR, YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION ON IT? COULD THE STEWING OF THE FIREPLACES HAVE BEEN AN ATTEMPT AT, UM, EROSION CONTROL OF ADOBE ANYWAY, SO IT, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY MORE A PRESERVATION MEASURE THAN YEAH.
DOUBT THAN MAYBE SOME OTHER YEAH.
BECAUSE THEY'RE UNPROTECTED, THEY'RE ALMOST LIKE A PARAPET WHERE THE REST OF THE HOUSE IS UNDER A ROOF MM-HMM
SO IT'S JUST GONNA AUTOMATICALLY PROTECTED.
UH, WHEN THEY'RE EXPOSED WIND AND WATER, THERE'S PROBABLY BETTER WAYS TO PRESERVE THEM AND TRY TO MAKE YEAH.
YOU KNOW, BUT STUCCO'S A COMMON WAY TO, UM, PRESERVE ADOBE.
I'VE TAKEN THREE OF THE CLASSES ON THE STATE ON PRESERVING STUCCO IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
AND THEIR, THEIR COMMENTS HAVE BEEN, YOU, YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIND A, A VIRGIN BUILDING THAT HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED, AND THAT REALLY SHOULDN'T BOTHER YOU.
IT SHOULD NOT BE RADICALLY CHANGED.
THE WINDOWS ALL CHANGED OUT WHEN IT COMES TO ADOBE.
AND THEY EVEN SHOWED US HOW TO FIX AND WHAT WAS TO BE EXPECTED.
UH, SO I, I THINK THAT THESE CHANGES TO, AND, AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS THE BUILDING DOES CHANGE OVER TIME.
IT DOESN'T MEAN IF IT WAS BUILT IN 1923, IT HAS TO BE 1923, IT'S, IT CAN HAVE SOME MOVEMENT MM-HMM
UH, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE ENTIRE CHARACTER.
SO I, I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS AT ALL.
THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT PEOPLE DID TO MAINTAIN IT.
AND I THINK FROM THE STATE POINT OF VIEW, IT WOULD BE FINE.
WELL, I WAS DELIGHTED AFTER SURVEYING IN 1991.
THERE WAS DETERIORATION AND I WAS THRILLED TO SEE THAT IT HAD BEEN RESTORED.
AND THEN WITH, UH, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER WOODS SAYING THAT IT WAS GOOD, UH, IT MADE MY HEART VERY HAPPY BECAUSE I WANT THIS BUILDING
WELL, AT THE STATE MEETING WAS INTERESTING.
THEY TALKED ABOUT WHEN YOU RESTORE A, AN ADOBE BUILDING, YOU SCRAPE THE GROUND AT ITS BASE AND YOU WORK DOWNSTREAM FROM IT, AND YOU BRING THAT DIRT BACK, AND THEN YOU TRY TO REAPPLY THAT DIRT BACK TO THE BUILDING.
SO OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO MAINTAIN IT IS, IS UNDERSTOOD.
AND THEY DID USE THE SOIL FROM THE, UH, SITE FOR THIS.
BUT, UH, IT IS, IT'S DEFINITELY, AND OF COURSE, THE, UM, I HAVE A LITTLE PERSONAL, 'CAUSE I KNEW ELIZABETH AND, AND, UH, DOUG, AND NOT WELL, BUT I, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE SPECIAL PEOPLE, BUT IT'S, AND THEIR RELATION TO THE COMMUNITY IS SPECIAL.
BUT, UH, I AM, LIKE I SAY, I WILL BE CRYING IF WE DON'T GET IT.
UM, AND SO SAME WITH THE STUCCO, WITH THE, WITH THE TREATMENT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THE, ON THE ADOBE WALLS THAT KIND OF, UH, ELIMINATE THE, THE APPEARANCE OF THE, THE MORTAR, MAYBE FROM THE YEAH.
BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRESERVATION MEASURE.
AND IT'S, AND IT WASN'T CONSISTENT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH DETERIORATION WAS THEY USED, UM, THAT METHOD IN OTHER PLACES THEY DIDN'T.
SO, AND THERE'S GOOD PRODUCTS OUT THERE.
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PROBABLY MORE, HE AS A BUILDING THAT HAS A MATERIAL, WELL, PRODUCTS THAT, UH, CAN KIND OF PRESERVE STABILIZERS.UM, EVEN THE ADOBE EXPOSED ADOBE WITHOUT DISCOLORING IT TOO MUCH.
SO ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES WITH THIS HOUSE IS THAT, UM, HOWARD EXPERIMENTED WITH THE, UH, ADOBES.
SO THEY WERE INCONSISTENT BY CONSTRUCTION.
AND, AND THE THING THAT'S NICE TO SEE IS THE CURRENT OWNERS HAVE KEPT THE VEGETATION AT BAY.
AND WHEN I FIRST SAW IT, IT WAS JUST OVERGROWN AND A MESS AND, UH, OWNED BY A CHURCH.
UM, SO IT'S NICE TO SEE THE CURRENT OWNERS HAVE REALLY DONE NICE THINGS AND APPROPRIATE THINGS, AND IT'S JUST LOVELY.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE ON, UH, THE RIG HOUSE? GOOD.
AND, UH, WE'LL BRING THAT BACK, UH, FOR, FOR ACTION, UH, AT A FUTURE MEETING.
UM, DISCUSSION AND PRIORITIZATION OF PROPERTIES TO ASSESS FOR POSSIBLE LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
PUTTING ASIDE THE RIGBY HOUSE, UH,
THAT IS YOUR DAD'S ALL JUST DADS.
UM, AND, UH, I KNOW YOU, YOU WERE GONNA BEGIN SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH AT LEAST ONE OF, OF THE OWNERS ABOUT POTENTIALLY LANDMARKING.
UH, HAVE THOSE PROGRESSED AT ALL? NO, AND I, BECAUSE I'M STILL LEARNING WHAT OUR COMMISSION CAN AND CAN'T DO IT.
I WANT TO BE CAREFUL, BUT I THINK THAT PARTY MIGHT BE A GOOD, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT, HAVING HIM COME TO THAT PARTY AND SEE OTHER FOLKS, UM, YEAH.
AND IT WAS THE THIRD HOUSE DAD EVER DID HERE.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD, UM, IT, IT, IT, YOU WOULD THINK IT WAS HIS HOUSE, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.
SO THERE'S SOME DETAIL THERE THAT ARE, ARE USEFUL AND, AND, UH, IT, IT GOT PAST THAT 50 YEAR CUTOFF.
AND I THINK THAT'S MY LITTLE THING.
I THINK I MIGHT INVITE HIM TO THAT PARTY.
AND COME WITH HIM AND INTRODUCE HIM AROUND AND OH, YES.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THE OWNER OF NICK'S RESTAURANT THAT IS TOTALLY UNTOUCHED.
HAVE YOU GOT SOME COMMENTS? WHAT'S GOING ON? RIGHT.
UM, I TALKED WITH JONATHAN BORK.
UH, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING, AND, AND GARY'S GONNA JOIN US WHEN WE DO.
UH, BUT HE HASN'T CALLED ME BACK YET.
AND HE WILL, UH, HE'S VERY EXCITED ABOUT, UH, THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING THAT BUILDING LANDMARK.
IT'S NICE TO, NICE TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED.
UM, I DIDN'T GET, UH, A CHANCE TO, UH, TO FOLLOW UP ON, UM, I WAS GONNA FOLLOW UP ON THE ELKS LODGE.
I HAVEN'T SPOKEN WITH, WITH THEM.
UM, SO I, I HAVEN'T HAD THAT CONVERSATION YET.
UM, I'VE GOT A NOTE HERE THAT JACK, WERE YOU'RE GONNA TALK TO HOUSE OF SEVEN ARCHES? NO, YOU WERE OH, OKAY.
OH, NO, I MIGHT HAVE BROUGHT IT UP.
THEN YOU GOT THE CONNECTION THERE.
I'LL, I'LL, UH, REACH OUT TO TERRY AND FIND OUT ABOUT THAT.
HAS THE CEMETERY BEEN LANDMARKED? THE, OUT ON 1 79, I THOUGHT.
OH, ON, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO OH, COOKS.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE SEDONA CEMETERY, THEY DO NOT WANT TO LANDMARK.
I WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO THEM AGAIN.
UM, AND THEN I'VE GOT A, UH, A NOTE ABOUT A BENNY GONZALEZ DESIGNED HOUSE IN UPTOWN THAT ONE OF THE TWO OF YOU WERE, I THINK INTO IT.
WAS IS THAT THE POST OFFICE, THE OLD POST OFFICE? YEAH.
WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT SEVERAL TIMES.
AND THE LAST TWO OR THREE TIMES IT WAS LOOKED AT, IT WAS, CAME BACK AND IT WAS JUST TOO MANY THINGS HAD BEEN CHANGED.
AND, UH, EVEN WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO HIM, HE WENT THROUGH AND DID SOME MORE, I DON'T KNOW, KIND OF WEIRD THINGS TO IT.
WHAT'S THE POST OFFICE? IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM DESIGN GROUP.
DID IT BECOME THE POST OFFICE OF, AFTER IT WAS PRI PREVIOUSLY THE POST OFFICE? YEAH, IT WAS THE THIRD POST OFFICE.
WE HAD TWO MORE PREVIOUS TO THAT.
SO IT WAS A POST OFFICE, AND THEN IT BECAME OUR LIBRARY FOR YEARS MM-HMM
AND BEFORE THAT WHERE POST THE CROSS FROM DESIGN GROUP ON JORDAN ROAD ON JORDAN.
DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS, THEY HAVE ALL THOSE OLD CARS PARKED THERE.
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THAT'S FINE.NO, THE, THE THING THAT WE, WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO DO IS GET THE FIRST POST OFFICE, WHICH IS A PAINT STORE NOW, AND IT'S BEEN ALTERED TOO MUCH IN 1991.
IT WAS TOO FAR, BUT THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HART, UH, BUILDING WITH THE WATER WHEEL THAT'S ACROSS, OVER THERE.
THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS WHERE THEY USED TO HAVE THAT COWBOY THAT SAT OUT IN FRONT.
THAT WAS THE SECOND POST OFFICE, THIRD POST OFFICE WAS THE ONE ON JORDAN.
SO WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A FEW
I THOUGHT THAT WAS BUILT AS THE LIBRARY, AND IT WAS ONLY EVER THE LIBRARY.
IT'S BEEN A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS.
THEN, UM, ANY OTHERS THAT HAVE COME UP IN THE INTER INTERVENING TIME? I'LL, UH, I WILL, UH,
UH, AND, AND FIND OUT THEIR INTEREST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS, UM, ELIGIBLE.
IT IT, IF IT ISN'T YET, IT WOULD BE CLOSE 50 YEARS, VERY SOON.
BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, IT WAS THERE IN THE SIXTIES.
I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S LATE SIXTIES, EARLY SEVENTIES, I THINK.
YEAH, BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.
'CAUSE I, I RELATED TO WHEN TO LOCKY P WAS BUILT MM-HMM
AND I VAGUELY RECALL, BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PLACE, UH, IT'S RIGHT BEHIND, UH, THE HILLSIDE SHOPS.
YOU GO UP THAT ROAD AND THERE'S A LITTLE MM-HMM
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO FIND OUT WHO OWNS IT.
IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE SIXES TRACKED HOME.
BUT WHEN I WAS SURVEYING IN 91, COULDN'T FIND ANY REFERENCE TO IT AND COULDN'T GET ANY, ANY INFORMATION ABOUT, AND, AND IT WAS ACT LIKE SOMEBODY'S VACATION PLACE, BUT WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT FALLING APART.
BUT NOW IT'S ALL BOARDED UP AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT IT TO SEE IF WE COULD GET SOMETHING FROM THE COUNTY OR SOMETHING.
UH, AS I, I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS IT OR WHAT'S LANDMARK.
WELL, IT'S JUST BEEN THERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? NO.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF, IT'S WHEN THEY BUILT HILLSIDE, THEY KIND OF CUT OFF THAT HOUSE UP THERE, SO YOU HAVE TO COME UP, I DUNNO HOW THEY APPROVED IT, BUT YOU COME AROUND AND I'VE HEARD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE, THEY, THEY WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF THAT, THAT PARCEL BACK THERE AND MAKE IT COMMERCIAL SO THEY COULD DO MORE PARKING.
BECAUSE IT'S JUST, LIKE YOU SAY, IT'S AN ISLAND.
IF YOU GO TO HILLSIDE AND THEN IT'S FULL, YOU GO TO, YOU GO TO HUDSON'S OVERFLOW LOT.
AND YOU GO OVER A FLOW LOT, AND THEN IT'S RIGHT BACK ABOVE THE OVERFLOW.
YOU GO THE STREET BETWEEN, UH, THE, UH, ARABELLA AND HILLSIDE AND THE CIRCLE K, YOU GO BACK UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CITY STREET OR A PRIVATE STREET, BUT THERE WAS A STREET THERE.
IT IS A PAVED STREET, AND THIS IS RIGHT AT THE END ON THE CUL-DE-SAC.
I, I MEAN, IT WAS THERE IN 91 AND LOOKED LIKE IT'D BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE.
AND I, UH, COULD NOT FIND ANY, ANYBODY THAT OWNED IT OR REFERENCED OR ANYTHING.
AND I DIDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO GO TO THE COUNTY TO FIND OUT.
WELL, WE WERE A BRAND NEW CITY THEN, RIGHT.
BUT I WOULD LOVE TO FIND OUT, IS IT WORTHY CITY'S WORKING ON IT NOW? I CAN SEE THEM.
I DON'T KNOW THE, I DON'T KNOW THE ADDRESS.
I DON'T KNOW THE ADDRESS, BUT I KNOW THAT, UM MM-HMM
IF IT'S SOMEBODY WHO'S A SOMEBODY, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT IF IT'S A NOTHING BUT A LITTLE SUMMER HOME.
I'LL WALK AROUND AND LOOK AT IT ONE DAY JUST TO GET YEAH.
BECAUSE I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT IN A LONG TIME, BUT IT, IT WAS OKAY.
IT'S JUST, YOU COULD TELL IT IT WASN'T LOVED.
COMMISSIONER AK, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, SEE US AFTER THE MEETING, YOU CAN SHOW ME WHICH ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND WE CAN GET YOU MORE INFORMATION.
IT'S JUST ON THE VERY END OF THAT CUL-DE-SAC.
SO YEAH, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK BECAUSE, UH, I, IT PRETTY STANDS OUT BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE IT FROM HIGHWAY 1 79.
IT'S PRETTY ABOVE HILLSIDE KIND OF THING.
BUT WE CAN GET YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION.
BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT, IS IT, WAS IT WORTH ANYTHING? I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT NEW, BUT THEN AGAIN, IT, INSTEAD OF BEATING MY HEAD ABOUT IT, LET'S FIND OUT ABOUT IT AND SURE.
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GO FORWARD OR FORGET IT.SO WE GOT SOME LEADS DOING SOME WORK.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE WANTS TO ADD TO THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE WE, UH, MOVE ON CHAIR? IF I COULD JUST ASK, UM, TO GET A VENDOR UNDER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S NEXT SO THAT IT IS JUST SOMETHING YOU WANT ME TO AGENDIZE THE NEXT TIME OR, UM, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? I, I DO THINK, I MEAN, THIS IS THE WORK OF THE COMMISSION, SO I DO THINK, UM, HOW IT'S AGENDIZED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WORDING IT CAN, CAN BE WORKED OUT, BUT I DO THINK WE OUGHT TO AGENDIZE JUST SO THAT WE CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS CAN HOLD ME ACCOUNTABLE THAT I REACH OUT TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
UH, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER WOODS, UH, UH, CAN, CAN ENSURE THAT, UH, THE PERSON HE IS WORKING WITH IS, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, COMING TO THE, THE EVENTS AND, AND, UH, GETTING, GETTING USED TO THE IDEA AND EXPLORING THE IDEA THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, NICK'S IS MOVING FORWARD.
SO, UH, I THINK CERTAINLY, UH, WE WANNA THE VERY LEAST TOUCH ON THOSE THREE.
DOES IT HELP TO HAVE A NAME OF THE RESIDENCE? THAT PARTICULAR ONE, OR, BECAUSE I NOTICED A LOT OF TIMES YOU LIST IT RIGBY HOUSE OR RIGHT.
I COULD NEVER FIND OUT WHO OWNED IT OR WHAT IT WAS FOR.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE WELL, I, I, I THINK HE'S ASKING A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
I, I, I THINK THE QUESTION IS ACTUALLY, DOES A HOUSE NEED TO HAVE A NAME IN ORDER TO BE LANDMARKED, IS WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING.
AND ALSO JUST TO IDENTIFY THAT'S THE HOUSE TELLING TO IDENTIFY.
BOBBY WAS TALKING ABOUT, I, WE DON'T, THEY DON'T ALL HAVE NAMES.
UH, AND SO SOME OF 'EM ARE JUST KNOWN AS THEIR, BY THEIR ADDRESS.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BROKEN, I BELIEVE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BROKEN ARROW ONE, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, SO WE CAN, AS IT ALL UNFOLDS.
UH, THE COMMON NAME FOR IT WILL KIND OF COME OUT OF THAT, I THINK.
UH, UNLESS, UNLESS YOU KNOW, DON WOODS' NUMBER ONE, THAT'S, THAT'S AVAILABLE.
SO, UM, THERE'S, JUST THROW IT OUT HERE.
I DON'T WANNA TAKE ALL NIGHT, BUT ONE AREA WHEN I WAS GROWING UP THAT SEEMED LIKE HAD SOME EARLY HOMES WAS DOWN BELOW WHERE A ARABELLA IS, AND THERE USED TO BE A CIRCLE K MM-HMM
AND THEN DOWN, IF YOU, WHEN EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD CUP OF GOLD, VERY, I DON'T THINK IT WAS A COUPLE OF GOLD.
AND THE, MY MEMORY IS THERE WAS A NUMBER OF RESIDENCES THAT'S RIGHT DOWN THERE GOING WAY, WAY BACK.
THE HEART DAIRY, AND THE DAIRY BARN IS STILL THERE.
AND, AND WHEN I WAS TRYING TO LANDMARK MM.
THEY WON ME OFF THAT PROPERTY.
SO I HAVE NEVER APPROACHED IT AGAIN.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS 1991.
I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE PEOPLE ARE STILL THAT WAY, BUT IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT, AND YES, THEY ARE DEFINITELY WORTH LANDMARKING.
THERE ARE SEVERAL DOWN THERE THAT ARE INTERESTED.
WE, UH, WE TOOK A LOOK AT A HOUSE DOWN THERE, UM, THAT WAS ONE THAT, UM, WHAT'S HIS NAME CAME UP WITH, WASN'T IT? UM, WASN'T IT DOODLEBUG DOWN THERE? DOODLE BUG? NO, NO, NO.
NO, THIS WAS, THIS WAS A, UH, BUILT FROM A RED SANDSTONE.
AND, UH, AND THE, THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS, IS THAT THE LADY WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY WAS KIND OF WISHY-WASHY ABOUT WHETHER SHE WANTED TO DO IT OR NOT.
AND SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT ANY CONSTRAINTS THAT THE CITY MIGHT HAVE.
AND, UM, I'D, I'D LOVE TO, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT HOUSE, BUT I MM-HMM
THERE'S ONE FAMILY THAT I THINK THAT HAS TWO PROPERTIES DOWN THERE.
THE GRAHAMS. I KNOW IF YOU, YOU REMEMBER THAT JOHN GRAHAM AND HIS, HIS WIFE WAS A, A PRETTY INVOLVED COMMUNITY MEMBER.
PROBABLY SAT ON A, A COMMISSION OR TWO.
SO THEY HAD THEIR RESIDENCE GROWING UP THERE, FAMILY GRAHAM'S, THEN THEIR SON PURCHASED A HOUSE DOWN THERE, AND I THINK IT WAS, UM, OH, THE MOVIE STARS, UH, I'M FORGETTING HIS NAME.
WELL, THE DANSON'S LIVED HERE.
WELL, AND COPPER CLIFFS SAID SO THAT, THAT, THAT, BECAUSE THE YOUNG GRAHAM, UH, JOHN GRAHAM PURCHASED THAT HOUSE FOR HIS FAMILY.
HE LIVES IN PHOENIX PLACE, SAYS THEY'VE KEPT THAT THING IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
THAT'S THE SAME FAMILY THAT HAS, UM, THE HOTEL ON TOP OF THE AIRPORT.
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OH.BUT YEAH, THE GRAHAMS SKY LODGE.
AND THEY'RE PRETTY SHERRY THERE YOU GO, SHERRY.
AND I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY, UM, OPEN TO THAT TYPE OF THING, POTENTIALLY.
SO, BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF HOUSES DOWN THERE.
I'VE BEEN ACQUAINT WITH HER FOR A WHILE.
BUT YEAH, I THINK SHE WANTED SKYLA LODGE LANDMARK.
I SAID NOT READY FOR, BUT IT COULD BE.
GETTING CLOSE IS GETTING VERY CLOSE.
AND I STRIKE UP A CONVERSATION.
I'LL, I'LL CALL SHERRY AND SEE.
SORRY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO STRIKE UP A CONVERSATION?
I ASSUME SHE'S STILL, YOU KNOW, UP THERE IN CHARGE AND YOU ONLY I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HER FOR A WHILE, BUT YEAH, I'LL CHECK INTO IT BECAUSE IT'S, AND IT'S BEEN ADDED ON TO WHEN THINGS CHANGE, BUT THAT, YEAH, I'LL CHECK INTO IT.
THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP, COMMISSIONER.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE? 'CAUSE LAST TIME I ASKED ANYTHING ELSE, A LOT OF GOOD STUFF CAME UP.
WHAT ABOUT THE ELK ELKS LODGE? UH, IT'S ON MY LIST.
UH, I'VE GOT A MEETING TOMORROW IN WHICH, UH, THEIR GRAND PERSON MAY BE, UH, ATTENDING.
UM, THE ISSUE THAT'S GONNA COME UP WITH THEM IS THAT ANYTHING THAT THEY WANNA DO WITH THAT PROPERTY, IT'S ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE ELKS.
INTERNATIONAL BASED IN CHICAGO.
AND SO THEY'VE GOTTA RUN IT ALL THE WAY UP THE CHAIN.
NO, WE RUN INTO THAT EVERY TIME WE ASK 'EM ABOUT SOMETHING WITH THE CEMETERY.
SO, UH, I WOULDN'T PUT A LOT OF HOPE IN IT, BUT I'LL ASK THE QUESTION.
I I WOULD LOVE TO, I WOULD LOVE IT.
IT'S EXACTLY ORIGINAL, UGLY FIFTIES
IT'S ABSOLUTELY, WELL, IT WAS ACTUALLY 64.
IT'S, IT WAS THE MID-CENTURY MODERN.
I KNOW
BUT, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW TILL I BROUGHT IT UP AND YEAH.
SO IT, IT, EVERYTHING HAS TO GO TO CHICAGO AND BACK AND YEAH.
WHAT HAPPENED THEN? IT'S, YEAH.
SO EV EVERY TIME WE TRY TO APPROACH 'EM ABOUT THE CEMETERY THAT COMES UP, SO, UM, BUT WORTH THE ASK.
SO NOTHING VENTURED, NOTHING GAINED, NOTHING VENTURE, NOTHING GAINED.
UH, DISCUSSION OF THE LANDMARK PROPERTIES TOUR.
SO, UM, I DID MAKE SOME PROGRESS AND, UH, I SPOKE WITH OUR NEW, UH, TRANSIT MANAGER, ALSO SPOKE WITH, UH, THE MANAGER OF OUR TRANSIT CONSULTANT.
AND, UM, THEY INDICATED THAT THEY COULD HAVE A BUS FOR US, UH, IN MAY.
THAT WAS, UH, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOMETIME IN MAY.
UM, I WAS TOLD THAT, UM, IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN ON A MONDAY, TUESDAY, OR WE WEDNESDAY, THAT WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL FOR THEM BECAUSE DURING THE MONTH OF MAY, THEY DO NOT RUN THOSE BUSES ON THOSE DAYS.
ON WHICH CHASE MONDAY, TUESDAY, MONDAY, TUESDAYS, AND WEDNESDAYS.
AND I INDICATED WE'D BE LOOKING AT MIDAFTERNOON TO LATE AFTERNOON, MAYBE A THREE TO SIX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND HE SAID THAT WOULD BE FINE.
UM, AS WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR, UH, WE WOULD TAKE MONEY OUT OF THE HPC BUDGET TO PAY FOR, UH, THE, UH, THE SALARY OF THE DRIVER.
UM, BUT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT FURTHER.
BUT, UM, YES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL EXCITED THAT A, WE ASKED ABOUT IT AND B, THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE.
SO THEY, THEY, UH, THE, THE FACT THAT, UH, WE EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THE MICRO TRANSIT BUSES MM-HMM
UM, WHICH THEY ARE IDENTIFYING AS CONNECT VEHICLES NOW.
THEY DO HAVE MICROPHONES, DON'T THEY? YOU KNOW, I DID NOT ASK THAT, QUITE HONESTLY.
UM, IT, YEAH, I, I, I CAN FIND THAT OUT.
YOU DID ASK THAT BEFORE AND I, I FORGOT TO ASK.
UM, AND, UH, UH, IT'S, IT'S MORE INTIMATE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S STILL A LOT OF SPACE.
LIKE I SAID, I THINK THERE'S 13 SEATS THAT ARE ON THE BUS.
UM, IF THE, THE SOONER WE CAN PICK A DATE.
OR, AND THEN I CAN START FINALIZING ALL THAT FOR YOU.
UM, DO WE HAVE A, UH, UH, HPC MEETING SCHEDULED FOR MAY? FOR MAY? YES.
ON THE AGENDA MONDAY, MAY 12TH.
I WAS MISSING, OH, I WAS LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE AGENDA AND IT'S MIDWAY
I'M LIKE, I DON'T SEE, UH, MONDAY, MAY 12TH.
SO, UM, UH, WE HAVE A QUESTION.
JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT THREE OF, YOU'RE LEAVING FOR THE CONFERENCE THE MORNING OF MAY 13TH, AND WE'LL BE GONE MOST OF THAT WEEK.
AND WELL, FOUR OF YOU WILL BE DOWN THERE ONE DAY,
BUT, UM, IF YOU'RE DEBATING ABOUT HAVING A MAY MEETING, JUST KNOW THAT THAT WEEK'S PRETTY
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TIED UP FOR YOU ALREADY.THAT WEEK WOULD BE ONE TO AVOID.
UM, BUT, UH, MY MAY 12TH, WE COULD LOOK AT THE 20TH, 19TH, 20TH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE FOLLOW THE FOLLOWING WEEK.
BUT WHAT DO WE WANNA DO? HE WANTS IT
SO YOU, MONDAY'S NOT GOOD FOR YOU? NO, I'M AT THE MUSEUM.
SO, TUESDAY OR A WEDNESDAY, UM, 20TH.
WHAT WOULD THE 22ND BE? UH, WHAT IS IT? SO THE 22ND WOULD BE THURSDAY.
WEDNESDAY THE 21ST AT WHAT? MEET HERE AT, UH, TWO O'CLOCK.
WELL, HE'D HAVE TO, HE'D HAVE TO LINE UP THOUGH.
BUT SOMETHING TWO O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO IT'D BE WEDNESDAY THE 21ST.
IS THAT A COUNCIL MEETING DATE? YOU'RE NOT HERE THAT DAY.
'CAUSE WE GOT NO, IF WE GOT POSSIBLE, AT WHAT POINT DOES THAT, THEY'LL JUST WON'T DO THAT.
HOW ABOUT THE FOLLOWING WEEK? FOLLOWING WEEK'S? FINE.
I THINK WE'LL BE 15TH THROUGH THE THIRD.
I THINK WE'LL BE OKAY, BUT I'LL DOUBLE CHECK.
SO PERSONALLY, UM, IF THERE IS A SPECIAL MEETING OF, UH, COUNCIL THAT WEDNESDAY, YOU'D BE GOING WITHOUT ME, BUT WELL, YOU, YOU POSSIBLY.
WELL, THIS IS THE LAST TIME WE EVER SEE YOU AGAIN.
NOW YOU'RE, NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO JOIN THE FUN.
WHEN WE'RE ORGANIZING TOURS AND FIELD TRIPS.
YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO COME WITH US.
SO I WILL, UM, I'LL MOVE FORWARD ON MAY 28TH.
UH, AND YOU'RE ALL OKAY WITH TWO O'CLOCK AS THE START TIME? YEAH.
UM, HOW'S DONNA? UNLESS DONNA'S NOT
I WAS GONNA SAY, DONNA, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO RECORD IT.
BUT THE CHAMBERS WILL BE OCCUPIED BY COUNCIL.
BUT WE, WE WOULDN'T NEED THE CHAMBERS.
'CAUSE WE'D BE HOPPING ON A BUS.
OH, FOR THE TOUR? IT'S FOR THE TOUR.
I, THIS, I BELIEVE WE'RE MAKING THIS IN PLACE OF A MEETING OR AN ADDITIONAL, WELL, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.
UH, DO WE NEED TO MEET ON MAY 12TH IF, UH, THE, THE CONFERENCES THAT WEEK MM-HMM
USUALLY IS IT MORE VALUABLE TO ME? HISTORICALLY WE DO NOT CANCEL THAT MEETING.
THINK FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING.
BUT THIS WOULD BE A SPECIAL MEETING ON THE 28TH.
DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY? YEAH.
THAT, THAT WEEK'S GONNA BE BUSY ENOUGH.
OKAY, THEN ON THAT SAME TOPIC, UM, I WOULD NEED TO GET A LIST OF YOUR, THE PROPERTIES THAT YOU WANT TO SEE THAT I CAN GIVE THAT, UH, TO OUR TRANSIT DEPARTMENT AND THEY CAN SET OUT A SCHEDULE.
I, I'VE KIND OF STARTED NOODLING SOMETHING THERE.
UH, SO I'LL WORK ON GETTING THAT TO YOU.
AND I HAVE CONTACT WITH SOME OF THE OWNERS, LIKE, UH, THE GASAWAY HOUSE THAT THANK YOU FOR, THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY WOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO, BUT, UM, I CAN, HE, HE'S TOLD ME IN THE PAST, JUST LET HIM KNOW ANY TIME WE WANT ACCESS, HE'LL, HE'LL GIVE IT TO US.
SO, AND, UM, I'LL REACH OUT TO HIM THIS WEEK AND, AND TRY TO GET THAT AND OKAY.
AND THE WOODCOCK HOUSE IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR, AND THEN THERE'S THE SEDONA, THE SEDONA HOUSE.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL, THEY'RE JUST ALONG THE ROAD.
I KNOW THAT THE LAST TIME, UM, THEY HAD A DRIVER GO OUT AND RUN THE ROUTE JUST TO IDENTIFY AREAS THEY CAN TURN AROUND, TURN AROUND, YOU KNOW.
AND, AND I MEAN, I THINK THERE ARE SOME, WE CAN PROBABLY, WE DON'T NEED TO, WE'VE ALL BEEN TO THE CHAPEL.
I DON'T THINK ALL OF US NEED TO GO TO THE CHAPEL.
WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE JORDAN HOUSE.
UM, WELL, AND LIKE THE GASAWAY HOUSE, THEY DO NEED TO SEE IF WE ARE ALLOWED TO GO UP THE DRIVEWAY.
THAT, THAT WAS ONE THAT THEY NIXED THE LAST TIME, SO, BUT THEY HAD A BIGGER BUS,
BUT IT, BUT WE CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO IN OR GO UP.
WE CAN DRIVE ON 1 7 9 FOR THE, THE GAS AWAY.
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THE WOODCOCK AND THE SCHLEY.WE CAN DO THAT FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, ROAD.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL WORK ON THAT.
WELL, GAS AWAY THOUGH, I THINK IS PRETTY OVERGROWN.
ISN'T GASAWAY, YOU CAN'T SEE FROM THE ROAD? I DON'T, YOU CAN'T ANYMORE.
I HAVEN'T BEEN UP THERE FOR A WHILE.
WELL, IF WE CAN, WELL, WE'LL KNOCK ON THE HOUSE OF THE SEVEN ARCHES DOOR AND LOOK DOWN ON IT FROM THERE.
SHE'S, SHE'S PRETTY, I I'M GLAD YOU'RE CONTACTED BECAUSE SHE'S PRETTY AMENABLE.
UH, THEN AS WE LOOK AHEAD TO THE FUTURE MEETINGS, WE DECIDED, NOT MAY 12TH, BUT UH, THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING WOULD BE JUNE.
WHAT'S THE DATE ON THAT? IT WOULD BE THE SECOND NINTH.
AND SO WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE THINGS ON THAT AGENDA RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE RIGBY HOUSE, UH, TAKING SOME ACTION ON THAT.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UM, BY THE WAY, I'M MOVING INTO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE ON THE AGENDA, RIGHT?
AND I'M PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT THE TOUR WE WENT ON IN MAY, THE PROPERTY TOUR.
THAT'LL TAKE UP A LOT OF TIME.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE LETTER.
ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE WANTS TO SEE ON FUTURE AGENDAS? WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT, UM, I GUESS MAY IS THE PRES HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH MM-HMM
ARE WE INVOLVED WITH THAT AT ALL? SO THAT BY CONTRACT, THE CITY, UH, GAVE THAT TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
SO, SO THE HISTORIC SOCIETY IS ORGANIZED THAT ABOUT MAY 3RD.
I JUST NEEDED TO CONFIRM THAT.
ALWAYS GOOD TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR.
IF NOTHING ELSE, UH, WE'LL ADJOURN AT 4 53.
HEY, THAT'S, BOY, THAT'S SHOWED US MEANING
I'M GONNA RUN A GAS, NATURAL GAS PIPE OUT TO THE MIDDLE OF MY BOTTOM IN THE FIRE PIT BECAUSE THE WOOD'S GETTING EXPENSIVE IN THE HOTEL.
SO MY, MY GUY WHO'S DOING, IT'S SAYING I NEED TO USE THREE QUARTER INCH PIPE, BUT IT COMES OFF A HALF INCH PIPE.
IT DOES, THERE'S A FORMULA THAT I COULDN'T TELL YOU THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
AND APPLIANCES THAT ARE ON IT, IT'S STILL.