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OKAY.TO REMIND EVERYBODY TO PLEASE SILENCE YOUR ELECTRONIC DEVICES, PHONES, LAPTOPS, COMPUTERS, WHATEVER YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE.
[1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]
CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC OVER STAND.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CLERK, WOULD
[2. ROLL CALL/MOMENT OF ART]
YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR CHAPO.HERE, VICE MAYOR PLU IS ATTENDING VIA ZOOM.
[4.a. AB 3209 Discussion/possible action regarding the appointment of a Planning & Zoning Commissioners.]
IS APPOINTMENTS.UH, ITEM A AB 30, UH, ZERO NINE.
DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE APPOINTMENT OF A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS.
UH, MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH, ADDRESS THIS? OH, SURE, MAYOR.
UM, ON APRIL 1ST, UH, TWO APPLICANTS WERE INTERVIEWED FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND BOTH ARE BEING RECOMMENDED FOR A SEAT ON CITY COUNCIL.
AND THAT IS ROB SMITH AND HARMONY WALKER.
ANY DISCUSSION? ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION FROM THE, I MOVE TO APPOINT ROB SMITH TO A SEAT ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR A TERM THAT WILL BEGIN IMMEDIATELY AND END OCTOBER 31ST, 2027, OR UNTIL THE SUCCESSOR IS APPOINTED, WHICHEVER IS LATER, AND TO APPOINT HARMONY WALKER TO A SEAT ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TERM BEGINNING ON NOVEMBER 1ST, 2025 AND ENDING OCTOBER 31ST, 2028 OR UNTIL THE SUCCESSOR IS APPOINTED, WHICHEVER IS LATER.
CAN I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY.
IS SHE ON? HOLLY, CAN YOU HEAR US? I'LL WORK ON IT.
UM, MAYOR, WE NEED TO DO THE CONSENT ITEM.
YOU READY? YEAH, THAT WOULD WORK.
[3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE]
THREE.UH, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNCIL STAFF OR THE PUBLIC TO PULL AN ITEM IF THEY SO CHOOSE IN ADVANCE.
UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT CONSENT ITEMS. APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE, A, B, AND C.
I THOUGHT I HEARD HOLLY JUMP IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
I'M JUST GONNA WORK ON TRYING TO GET THE VOLUME TO YOU.
ANY OPPOSED? NO ONE TO CONSENT ITEMS. SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE APPOINTMENTS AND, BECAUSE I REALLY WOULD LIKE VICE MAYOR PLU TO, UH, VOTE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I, HOLLY I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR US YET.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE HOLLY IS, BUT WE STILL HAVE, UH, ENOUGH VOTES.
[5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS]
ITEM FIVE, SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MYSELF, THE COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, UH, AND YOU CAN ALSO ADDRESS YOUR COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS.ANYBODY WISH TO ADDRESS ANYTHING? OH, YES, MELISSA.
I JUST WANTED TO, UM, MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC IS AWARE THAT THIS MONTH, MONTH OF APRIL IS THE COMMUNITY LIBRARY OF SEDONAS, UM, BIG FUNDRAISING MONTH.
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THEY DO HAVE A $20,000 MATCH.AND SO IT'S HOPE THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY CONTRIBUTED A DOLLAR OR MORE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO, UM, HELP SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY LIBRARY.
THEY ALSO HAVE ROGER NAER COMING TO SPEAK ON THE 26TH OF MARCH.
UM, AND, UH, THAT'S, UH, THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THEY WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO, TO MENTION.
OKAY, BRIAN? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
ON, UH, APRIL 9TH, I, SORRY, I SHOULD SAY 26TH OF APRIL.
YEAH, I HEARD YOU OUT THERE IN THE AUDIENCE CORRECTING ME.
UH, ON APRIL 9TH, I ATTENDED THE, UH, NAAG AREA COUNCIL ON AGING, UH, BIMONTHLY MEETING.
AND, UH, IT CONTINUES TO BE, UH, A LOT OF, UH, CONCERN OVER FUNDING AT, UH, STATE AND FEDERAL LEVELS.
RIGHT NOW, THE ORGANIZATION IS PLANNING ON A NET DECREASE IN FUNDING OF 9.2% FOR THE UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR.
UM, THEY ARE AN AMAZINGLY RESOURCEFUL GROUP THAT FIGURES OUT HOW TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT SENIORS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE FOUR COUNTY AREA THAT MAKES UP THE NACO REGION.
AND, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE WHO FEEL COMPELLED, THEY SHOULD REACH OUT TO THEIR CONGRESSMEN TO ENSURE THAT, UH, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES FUNDING IS MAINTAINED, UH, BECAUSE THAT MONEY IS WHAT FLOWS THROUGH TO THE STATE.
AND THEN ON TO, UH, AREA COUNCIL ON AGING.
AND SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE ARE ONES IN WHICH IT ALLOWS SENIORS TO CONTINUE TO LIVE IN THEIR HOMES, UH, NOT GET INTO INSTANCES OF MEDICAID FUNDED ASSISTED LIVING.
AND THE COMPARISON, ROI ON THAT EXPENDITURE IS, YOU KNOW, STRONG DOUBLE DIGITS.
IT'S OFF THE CHARTS, HOW EFFECTIVE THAT IS.
SO, UM, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT.
UH, ANOTHER THING THAT CAME UP IN PASSING, NACOG HAS A DATABASE OF SENIORS WHO, IF THEY KNOW THAT THE SENIORS HAVE, UH, EITHER, UH, DURABLE MEDICAL EQUIPMENT OR SOME TYPE OF DISABILITY THAT WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM, UH, A QUICK EVACUATION IN THE EVENT OF WILDFIRE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA WORK ON GETTING THAT INFORMATION MADE AVAILABLE TO FIRST RESPONDERS HERE LOCALLY TO HELP IMPROVE, UH, THE ABILITY TO GET PEOPLE EVACUATED SHOULD THAT NEED ARISE.
OKAY, SO, UH, FOR WE, FOR THE EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT, UH, THAT WILL BE COVERED LATER ON THE, IN THE REGULAR BUSINESS.
UH, MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE CARDS FOR THE PUBLIC FORUM? UH, WE DO NOT.
SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM, AND THEN WE COME TO PROCLAMATION
[7. PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS & AWARDS]
RECOGNITIONS OF AND AWARDS.WE HAVE A VERY, UH, FINE PERSON THAT'S, UH, WE WILL BE RECOGNIZING, UH, MARCY ELLIS IS A VERY GOOD FRIEND OF OURS, ALL IN SEDONA.
MARCY, YOU WANNA COME UP AND JOIN ME? JUST MADE IT A NICK OF TIME.
SAY A FEW WORDS AGAIN AFTERWARDS.
WE HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO SAY, SO COME HERE SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE US.
SO THIS IS A, A GREAT HONOR OF MINE AND FOR THE COUNCIL TO RECOGNIZE A WOMAN LIKE MARCIA ELLIS.
I'M VERY PROUD TO BE DOING THIS.
BACK IN 2016, OAK CREEK CANYON AND SEDONA CITY RESIDENCE, DRIVING SOUTHBOUND FROM THE, FROM A DAY IN FLAGSTAFF, FREQUENTLY FACED TRAFFIC BACKUPS OF 45 MINUTES OR MORE TO TRAVEL, UH, THE FINAL 3.5 MILES TO SEDONA, ESPECIALLY ON WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS.
THE CANYON WAS BEING OVERUSED BY VISITORS.
UH, RIPARIAN HABITATS WERE OVERWHELMED BY THE GROWING VOLUME OF CARS, RVS AND FOOT TRAFFIC VEHICLES WERE PARKED IN EVERY AVAILABLE SPOT.
WITH THE NATION'S FIFTH LARGEST CITY, LESS THAN TWO HOURS AWAY, VENETIAN'S UNE
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LUSH FORESTS.MARCELLI WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN ORGANIZING AND BRINGING TO FRUITION THE FIRST OAK CREEK CANYON STAKEHOLDERS MEETING THAT TOOK PLACE ON FEBRUARY 10TH, 2017.
THIS MEETING WAS SO UNIQUE, BUT IT WAS HELD IN AT THE ADOT FLAGSTAFF OFFICES, AND INCLUDED APPROXIMATELY 41 INDIVIDUALS FROM MULTIPLE AGENCIES AND GOVERNING BODIES.
THE ATTENDEES, UH, WERE REPRESENTATIVES FROM AZ PARKS, SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, Y BY COUNTY SUPERVISOR, MATT RYAN, WHO'S HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
ADOT MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, NACO, US CONGRESSMAN, UH, OFFICE, COO, COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS, SEDONA POLICE, SEDONA CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, ARIZONA STATE REPRESENTATIVES, COO, COUNTY SUPERVISOR, UH, AND THEN THE, A DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY, COO, NATIONAL FOREST, SEDONA FIRE, AND THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF AND THE COO, COUNTY SHERIFF.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT ALL OF THE OAK CREEK CANYON STAKEHOLDERS HAD EVER COME TOGETHER IN A SINGLE MEETING TO DISCUSS THE PROBLEMS, CHALLENGES, AND POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS THAT FACED THIS BEAUTIFUL CANYON.
AS A DIRECT RESULT OF THIS MEETING, THE OAK CREEK TRAFFIC MATTERS COMMITTEE WAS FORMED WITH MARCY ELLIS BEING APPOINTED AS A CHAIRPERSON.
THERE'S A LOT MORE TO GO
THIS COMMITTEE MET EVERY SIX WEEKS TO DISCUSS AND REVIEW THE PROGRESS THAT EACH AGENCY WAS MAKING REGARDING IMPROVEMENTS IN THE CANYON.
THE DEGREE OF COOPERATION AMONG AGENCIES WAS OUTSTANDING AND RESULTED IN MANY CANYON IMPROVEMENTS.
SOME OF THOSE WHICH INCLUDE FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA, THE SEDONA IN MOTION PROJECT, TWO LANES CONSTRUCTED GOING SOUTH THROUGH UPTOWN THAT ELIMINATED TRAFFIC BACKUPS IN OAK CREEK CANYON, WHICH WE ALL GET TO ENJOY.
YOU CAN NOW DRIVE SOUTHBOUND ADOT, UH, RESURFACING OF HIGHWAY 89 A FROM THE TOP OF THE SWITCHBACKS TO UPTOWN SEDONA.
THIS IMPROVED SAFETY THROUGHOUT THE CANYON.
A THAT AGAIN, THE REPLACEMENT OF HIGHWAY GUARDRAILS ALONG 89 A IN OAK CREEK CANYON, AND ADDITIONAL GUARDRAILS POST AND CHAIN INSTALLED.
THIS ELIMINATED OVER 300 ROADSIDE PARKING SPACES, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
THEY ALSO DID A REHABILITATION OF PUMP HOUSE, UH, BRIDGE WITH THE ROCK MITIGATION AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT OAK CREEK CANYON.
AND THAT IMPROVED SAFETY THROUGHOUT THE CANYON.
ARIZONA STATE PARKS, UH, PROVIDED NEW FENCING IN INSTALLED AT THE SLIDE.
ROCK STATE PARK CONTROLLED THE NUMBER OF VISITS AND ELIMINATED PEOPLE ENTERING THE PARK WITHOUT PAYING AN INTER-AGENCY AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COO, COUNTY SHERIFF AND THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THIS ALLOWED FOR AN AVAILABLE SEDONA, UH, OFFICER TO RESPOND TO A CALL IN THE CANYON IF THE SHERIFF DEPUTY WAS NOT AVAILABLE AND PROVIDED FOR A SHORTER RESPONSE TIME.
THANK YOU, MARCY ELLIS FOR YOURS.
UH, FOR FOUR YEARS OF OUTSTANDING SERVICE TO IMPROVING CONDITIONS TO OUR BEAUTIFUL OAK CREEK CANYON, PRESENTED THIS 22ND DAY OF APRIL, 2025.
WHAT DO YOU DO? THIS IS FOR YOU.
THIS IS QUITE AN HONOR FOR ME.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH HONOR FOR ME,
I'D LIKE YOU'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS.
I'VE NEVER SEEN MARCIA AT A LACK OF WORDS, AND I THINK SHE HAS A FEW HERE.
SO MARCIA WILL SAY A FEW WORDS, AND THEN MATT RYAN'S IN THE AUDIENCE.
HE CAME DOWN SPECIFICALLY TO SAY A FEW WORDS JUST FOR YOU.
AND I WANNA SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT HIM.
UM, I WANNA, UH, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE RECOGNITION.
FIRST I WANNA RECOGNIZE OUR COMMITTEE STARTING WITH JERRY SHOWALTER, WHO IS INVALUABLE VICE CHAIR AND LONG TERM RESIDENT.
WOULD YOU RAISE YOUR HAND, JERRY? HE'S OVER HERE.
ALSO HERE TODAY IS RICK BLACK.
WILLIAM, RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE HERE.
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STALK UP.UM, AND, UH, I'M MISSING SOMEONE, I THINK.
I AM, I SPENT SO MUCH TIME TRYING TO PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER BEFORE I LEFT THAT I ALMOST DIDN'T GET HERE.
I LOOKED AT THE CLOCK AND SAID, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S THE TIME IT IS.
AND FINALLY, DA DAVE WATERS, WHO WAS CHAIR OF THE OAK CREEK PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION AND APPOINTED ME AND JERRY TO LEAD THE EFFORT.
UM, THEN SPECIAL THANKS TO MATT, RYAN.
MATT, WHERE ARE YOU? I CAN'T, UH, BACK HERE.
WHO WAS THE COCONINO COUNTY SUPERVISOR FOR OUR DISTRICT AT THE TIME, AND WAS THE FIRST TO SUPPORT OUR EFFORTS IN THE COUNTY AND HELP US GET THE WHOLE THING STARTED.
UM, I ALSO NEED TO NAME OTHERS.
IT'S ALWAYS DANGEROUS BECAUSE I'M BOUND TO LEAVE SOMEONE OUT.
AND DEFINITELY NOT ON PURPOSE.
BUT THE FIVE YEAR EFFORT HAD A NUMBER OF CHAMPIONS.
THE CITY OF SEDONA ITSELF DID SUCH A TREMENDOUS JOB REPRESENTED BY YOUR CURRENT MAYOR, SCOTT JALO, WHO WAS THERE ALL THE MEETINGS AND WAS WONDERFUL.
I SHOULD ALSO RECOGNIZE THE PAST CITY MANAGER, JUSTIN CLIFTON, AND THE COUNCIL THAT SUPPORTED THE START OF THIS EFFORT 10 YEARS AGO AT A DO, KEVIN BEASTIE, AUDRA MERRICK, FLOYD RORICK, THE US FOREST SERVICE, AMY TINDER HOLE, AND PAST, WHO WAS THE PAST DISTRICT RANGER, YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD.
STATE PARK, CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, ALL OF DPS.
UM, A DEQ, SPECIAL MENTION OF STATE REPRESENTATIVE BOB THORPE, WHO CAME TO OUR FIRST MEETING AND HELPED US SET UP OUR ORIGINAL MEETING AT THE STATE CAPITAL.
AND CONGRESSMAN TOM HALLAN, WHO SERVED US ALSO VERY WELL.
UH, AFTER NAMING THIS, THESE PEOPLE, IT LEADS ME TO JUST TELL YOU A LITTLE STORY OF HOW WE GOT STARTED.
UH, BOB THORPE SET UP A MEETING AT THE STATE CAPITOL THAT WE ALL WENT TO.
UM, AND IT INCLUDED KEVIN BEASTIE FROM A O HE LISTENED TO OUR STORY AND HE SAID, AND ABOUT OUR FOUR AND A HALF HOUR BACKUP.
AND HE SAID HE DIDN'T WANNA WORK WITH US BECAUSE WE GAVE HIM TROUBLE ON 1 79
SO I LOOKED AT HIM AND SAID, I DON'T CARE IF YOU HAD SIX LANES COMING INTO THE CITY OF SEDONA AND SIX LANES GOING OUT, THEY'D STILL ALL STOP AT THE MIDDLE CIRCLE THERE WHEN YOU FIRST HIT.
A WEEK LATER, HE SENT OUT THE, UH, HE SENT THE HEAD OF A DO OPERATIONS TO MY HOME IN SEDONA, WHICH WAS AMAZING.
AFTER OUR DISCUSSION, HE OFFERED THE ADOT HEADQUARTERS UP IN FLAGSTAFF FOR AN AREA MEETING.
IF WE PUT IT TOGETHER, WE TOOK HIM UP ON THE CHALLENGE.
WE RAISED $5,000 IN ABOUT THREE WEEKS FROM EVERYONE IN THE CANYON, ESPECIALLY THE BUSINESSES.
AND THEN WE WENT ABOUT FOR THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, MEETING WITH EVERY SINGLE CITY COUNCIL PERSON IN SEDONA AND FLAG STAFF, EVERY COUNTY REP, EVERY STATE REP WE COULD GET HOLD OF.
FOUR MONTHS LATER, 51 PEOPLE CAME TO OUR FIRST MEETING, UH, INCLUDING CONGRESSMAN TOM O'HALLORAN.
AND THE RESULT WAS MEETINGS EVERY 10 WEEKS FOR THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, UM, ALL STOPPING, UM, WHEN COVID HIT, AND WE, NOBODY COULD GET TOGETHER AT THAT TIME.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO JUST STOP WITH THIS THOUGH, WITH THE FIRES THAT HAPPENED IN CALIFORNIA.
WE ALL KNOW THE FIRE RISK, AND I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN STILL KEEP WORK GOING, STARTING WITH A CAPACITY STUDY AND, AND MAYBE GETTING TO WHERE WE CAN ELIMINATE ROADSIDE PARKING AND DEVELOP A SERIES OF PARKING LOTS.
AN IDEA THAT OUR WONDERFUL, UM, UH, OUR WONDERFUL VICE CHAIR JERRY SHOWALTER HAS PUT TOGETHER IN CALIFORNIA WITH ALL THE BEACHES, EVERY, THEY HAVE PARKING LOTS, AND EVERY PARKING LOT HAS ALL THE FACILITIES THAT YOU NEED.
RESTROOM FACILITIES, THEY CHARGE TO GET IN THERE, ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
AND JERRY HAS HIS REPORTS READY TO HAND OUT TO EVERYONE ON THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE, FOR RECOGNIZING THE EFFORT.
I HOPE WE ALL, UM, KEEP MOVING ON IT AND DON'T STOP WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE.
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WE DON'T WANT A DISASTER IN THE CANYON LIKE THEY'VE HAD IN CALIFORNIA, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE MORE WORK AND WE'LL ALL BE WORKING ON IT.WE, I WANNA BRING UP MATT RYAN, THE FORMER DISTRICT THREE SUPERVISOR FROM COCONINO COUNTY.
ALRIGHT, WELL, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, JUST TO START OFF, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HOSTING THIS AND, AND ACTUALLY FOR HAVING THIS RECOGNITION TO TRULY DESERVING INDIVIDUAL AND, UH, FIRST TO COMPLIMENT YOU AND THE CITY ON YOUR CONTINUED WORK ON THE SIMS PROGRAM.
UH, DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, BUT INCREMENTALLY, YOU'RE REALLY WORKING ON IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, I COMMEND YOU FOR WORKING FORWARD WITH THAT.
UM, SO AS A COUNTY SUPERVISOR AND WORKING WITH COMMUNITY, UH, AS WE ALL DO, UM, A LOT OF TIMES YOU CAN'T SOLVE EVERYTHING.
UH, YOU REALLY HAVE TO WORK WITH COMMUNITY.
SO I GOT THIS INVITATION TO COME DOWN TO, UH, MARCY'S HOUSE, UH, AND IT ENDS UP THE COMMUNITY OF OAK CREEK WAS AT MARCY'S HOUSE, AND THEY WANTED TO TALK TO ME ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE IT STARTED.
BUT IT EVEN STARTED BEFORE THEN.
UH, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES THAT WE WRESTLE WITH IN, IN TRANSPORTATION.
UH, THE OTHER THING, UH, KEY INGREDIENT, WHENEVER, UM, YOU'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH COMMUNITY, UH, YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR OWN.
YOU HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER WITH COMMUNITY.
YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO COMMUNITY.
BUT YOU ALSO, YOU LOOK FOR THAT CHAMPION.
SOMETIMES YOU LOOK FOR 'EM AND SOMETIMES THEY FIND YOU.
AND SO I THINK THIS IS JUST A, WE SAY, NO, NO,
YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND BOY, WOW, THIS IS GONNA BE A TOUGH ONE.
UH, BUT, UH, UH, THE ONE PIECE, I, AND I JUST GIMME A HALF A SECOND BECAUSE I CAN'T DO IT, BUT I ALWAYS GO BACK TO THE MARKER MEAD QUOTE.
UH, NEVER DOUBT THAT THE SMALL GROUP OF PE OF THOUGHTFUL, COMMITTED CITIZENS CAN CHANGE THE WORLD.
INDEED, IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT EVER HAS.
YOU SEE THE COMMUNITY AND YOU SEE A CHAMPION HERE.
MARCY, YOU'VE BEEN ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL AND SO DESERVING.
UH, THANK YOU CITY OF SEDONA MAYOR COUNCIL FOR, FOR THIS RECOGNITION,
AND, AND I GOTTA GET A LITTLE HUG OUT OF THIS FOR THE COUNCIL.
BUT WE WANT TO GET A NICE PHOTO.
WE CAN'T GIVE UP THIS WITHOUT GIVING ANOTHER CHALLENGE.
STILL LOBBYING, WANT YOU HOLD THIS.
AND JUST FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, WE HAVE A NEW SUPERVISOR.
AS MATT SAID, HE RETIRED FROM HIS POSITION, A NEW SUPERVISOR.
TAMMY IS JUST AS COMMITTED TO DOING THINGS IN THE CANYON.
SHE'S A PHENOMENAL WOMAN AND I'M REALLY PROUD TO BE WORKING WITH HER.
SO LET'S CONTINUE ON WITH THE AGENDA.
I HAVE A WONDERFUL MEMBER I FORGOT TO MENTION.
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OKAY.LET'S GET BACK TO REGULAR BUSINESS.
[8.a. AB 3127 Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding proposed revisions to the Sedona Land Development Code. The proposed revisions include regulations for constructing Private Sport Courts (such as pickleball, tennis, and basketball courts). Case Number: PZ25-00001 (LDC) Applicant: City of Sedona]
EIGHT, A AB 31 27 PUBLIC HEARING.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THE SEDONA LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THE PROPOSED REVISIONS INCLUDE REGULATIONS FOR, UH, CONSTRUCTING PRIVATE SPORTS COURTS SUCH AS PICKLEBALL, TENNIS, BASKETBALL COURTS, CASE NUMBER PZ 25 DASH 0 0 0 1, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, APPLICANT, CITY OF SEDONA.
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, VICE MAYOR.
UM, SO THIS IS AN AGENDA ITEM TO CONSIDER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REVISIONS FOR REGULATIONS ON PRIVATE SUPPORT COURTS.
WE WERE HERE BACK IN OCTOBER FOR OUR WORK SESSION, AT WHICH TIME THE CITY COUNCIL DID GIVE US DIRECTION TO PURSUE THESE CHANGES.
AFTER THE OCTOBER WORK SESSION, WE DID RESEARCH INTO OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE SIMILAR REGULATIONS AND CAME UP WITH SOME THAT WE BELIEVED WOULD WORK FOR SEDONA.
WE WENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.
UM, THE, YOUR PACKET HAD, UM, THE CHANGES ORIGINALLY SUGGESTED OR RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY STAFF, AND THEN AS AMENDED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
UM, THE REGULATIONS THAT WE WERE PROPOSING INCLUDE SETBACKS, LIGHTING TIME, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ADD SOME TIME OF USE ITEMS AS WELL.
UM, BUT I DO NOT HAVE ANY KIND OF FORMAL PRESENTATION, BUT WE ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR LISTEN TO WHAT YOU HAVE AND THEN MOVE ON TO A MOTION IF DEEMED APPROPRIATE.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY FOR, OKAY.
UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE DA, UH, GARRETT, PETE, I DO HAVE ONE MAYOR.
I'M LOOKING AT, WELL, IT'S OUR PACKET, PAGE 1 57.
AND THEN YOU GOTTA GO DOWN TO SEE SETBACKS.
THIS IS WHERE WE, UH, ALLOW, UH, SOME, UH, COMPROMISE ON THE SETBACKS.
IF YOU FULFILL TWO OF THAT LIST OF TOPICS.
ONE THAT I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND IS THAT IS, UH, I I TWO, WHICH IS A COURTS THAT ARE CONSTRUCTED ON A COMMONLY OWNED PIECE OF PROPERTY BY MULTIPLE OWNERS.
AND IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE WE'RE SETTING THE TABLE FOR A GROUP OF PEOPLE IN AN HOA CAN PUT A SPORTS COURT NEXT TO A PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL HOME THAT'S NOT IN THE, YOU KNOW, THAT AND ALLOW THEM TO HAVE A SETBACK, UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY GOTTA MEET TWO OF THE CRITERIA.
BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FUNCTION OF THAT ONE PARTICULARLY IS.
IT WAS MEANT TO BE FOR THE 'CAUSE AS WE LOOKED THROUGH THE AREAS THAT HAD COURTS BUILT, THERE ARE A NUMBER, UH, WELL, NOT A HANDFUL OF HOAS THAT HAVE A TENNIS COURT OR SOMETHING.
THEY GENERALLY DON'T HAVE THAT SETBACK.
UM, BUT IF IT'S A GROUP OF PROPERTY OWNERS COMING TOGETHER AND SAYING, WE WANT TO BUILD THIS, THAT, UM, WE FELT THAT THAT WAS A WAY TO ALLOW THOSE HOAS TO DO IT, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET ONE OF THE OTHER CRITERIA SUCH AS ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THAT 200 FEET HAVE SAID.
AND I, THE IDEA WAS THAT IF AN HOA HAS AGREED TO IT, HOPEFULLY THEY ARE PUTTING IT IN WITHIN THE HOA, UM, WHERE IT WOULD ONLY BE AFFECTING THEIR PROPERTY OWNERS WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CHANGE THAT RE REQUIRE THIS TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET WOULD BE NOTIFIED AND WOULD BE ALLOWED TO COME AND GIVE THEIR OPINION AND THEIR FEEDBACK ON THAT IF A SMALLER SETBACK WAS BEING PROPOSED.
I THINK THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL NEGATIVE
SO I JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ALLOWING, UH, A GROUP OF PEOPLE TO GANG UP ON SOMEONE THAT'S NOT IN THEIR, IN THEIR GROUP.
SO, UM, IN GENERAL, I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH THE HOAS THAT HAVE THEM.
SO OBVIOUSLY I CAN'T, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LARGE SUBDIVISIONS LEFT.
SO IF IT WAS SOMETHING LEFT, IT WOULD, I I GENERALLY, WHAT THE HOAS THAT I CAN THINK OF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT HAVE THEM WERE, IT WAS APPROVED AS A RECREATION TRACT IN THEIR SUBDIVISION, UM, WHEN IT WAS SUBDIVIDED.
SO GENERALLY THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HOUSING TRACKS AND THERE'S A RECREATION
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TRACK.SO HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT AS THE SUBDIVISION IS GOING THROUGH ITS ORIGINAL APPROVAL, THEY WOULD IDENTIFY A RECREATION TRACT THAT COULD SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THIS AS WELL.
I'M SORRY, MAYOR, THERE WAS ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAD.
WHICH WAS ON, UH, PAGE 1 58, AND THIS IS THE NINE FOUR F PRIVATE SPORT COURT WITH THIS DEFINITION HERE.
AND THE PARTICULAR WORDS THAT JUMP OUT AT ME WHEN I READ, WHEN I READ IT IS WE'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE DIMENSIONS NEED TO BE, AND NOT LIMITED TO JUST PICKLEBALL, UH, THE OTHER SPORTS AS WELL, BUT IT SAYS, BUT EXCLUDING POOLS AND DRIVEWAYS USED EXCLUSIVELY FOR ACCESS TO A GARAGE.
SO I'M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED IN THE WRONG HEADED ENFORCEMENT REGIME, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE HAVE NOW, THAT THE WORDS EXCLUSIVELY USED FOR ACCESS TO A GARAGE COULD TURN BAD.
THAT IF SOMEONE HAS A, A DRIVEWAY THAT THEY START TO PLAY BASKETBALL IN THEIR KIDS HERE AT RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL, AND THEY START TO MM-HMM
PLAY BASKETBALL OR YOUNGER KIDS OR WHATEVER.
AND THERE COULD BE AN INTERPRETATION THAT THAT DRIVEWAY IS NO LONGER EXCLUSIVELY USED FOR A GARAGE.
AND, AND, AND I WOULD REALLY GUESS THAT THIS COMES DOWN IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND HOW WE INTERPRET THESE THINGS, AND THE KURT, THE CITY ATTORNEY AS WELL.
BUT YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS FOR ME ABOUT HOW THIS NOT, IS NOT GONNA SQUEEZE SIDEWAYS? UM, I THINK, WELL, THE INTENT OF IT WAS TO NOT ALLOW SOMEONE TO PAVE AN EXTENSIVE AREA AND SAY THAT THIS IS ALL MY DRIVEWAY.
TO REALLY DEFINE IT AS THE DRIVEWAY AS BEING WHAT IS BEING USED TO ACCESS THE GARAGE.
IF YOU DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, YOU COULD DELETE THE WORD EXCLUSIVELY.
KURT, IS THERE ANY THOUGHT FROM YOUR STANDPOINT ABOUT THE WORD DRIVEWAYS USED EXCLUSIVELY FOR ACCESS TO A GARAGE? AND WHETHER YOU'RE DOING SOME RECREATION OUT THERE ON YOUR DRIVEWAY, IS THAT NOW NO LONGER EXCLUSIVE USE FOR A DRIVEWAY OR A GARAGE? UH, NO.
UH, COUNCILOR FURMAN, SO I, I THINK IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S TYPICAL.
PEOPLE EVEN, YOU KNOW, PLAY ALL TYPES OF SPORTS IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS AT TIMES.
AND THE INTENT WAS NOT TO ELIMINATE THAT AS THIS WAS GEARED TOWARDS SPORTS COURT.
SO I DON'T SEE THAT, UM, ENDING THAT ENDING, THAT ABILITY THAT ALREADY EXISTED.
I'D JUST LIKE TO TAG ONTO SOMETHING THAT, UH, COUNCILOR FURMAN WAS JUST, UH, ALLUDING TO.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OR MANY UNBUILT HOAS, UH, REALLY IN THE CITY.
DO WE, DO YOU KNOW, OFF HAND FROM YOUR, UM, ON THE SPOT? WE DO NOT HAVE VERY MANY PARCELS LEFT.
SO THE, THE HOAS I'M THINKING OF THAT HAVE COURTS ARE GENERALLY LARGER PARCELS THAT CAN CLUSTER THEIR HOUSES SO THAT THERE IS A SORT OF RECREATION TRACT.
THE PARCELS, I HAVEN'T DONE AN EXHAUSTIVE, I'M SURE YOU HAVE STUDY OF THEM, BUT THE PARCELS THAT ARE LEFT THAT WE'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE ABOUT POTENTIALLY SUBDIVIDING, ARE GENERALLY FEWER THAN 10 LOTS.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF RECREATION TRACKS BEING PLOTTED IN THOSE.
SO ONE IN PARTICULAR, I'M, UH, FAMILIAR WITH THIS EAGLE VISTA AND THE CHAPEL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE TWO, UH, ONE HOUSE, AND ABU ACTUALLY BUILDING A SECOND HOUSE AND WORKING ON A THIRD.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LOT SPACING IS, WHETHER IT WOULD BE AN OPEN LOT WITH A POTENTIAL FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
UM, SO ALL OF THE LOTS IN THAT SUBDIVISION ARE PLATTED OR ARE PLATTED FOR SINGLE FAMILY USE.
UM, THEY'RE, AS IT'S BEING PROPOSED, IT WOULD BE A CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED ACCESSORY USE.
SO YOU COULD NOT, SO I GUESS IF THE SUBDIVISION, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S EIGHT LOTS IN THE SUBDIVISION AND SEVEN OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS GET TOGETHER AND DECIDE TO BUY ONE AND REPL IT SO THAT IT'S A RECREATION TRACT RATHER THAN A HOME TRACT, UM, I, I GUESS YOU COULD, BUT THEN YOU WOULD STILL HAVE, YOU'D HAVE TO MEET A SECOND ITEM ON THAT LIST, AND THERE WOULD BE, WITH THE REQUIREMENT FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THERE WOULD BE A NOTIFICATION BECAUSE THAT ENTIRE SUBDIVISION IS BOUND BY NEIGHBORHOODS AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE, UH, THEY'D BE TOO CLOSE.
I MEAN, BASED ON THE, FOR THAT ONE, BASED ON WHERE THE SETBACKS ARE ON EACH LOT, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD EVEN BE ABLE TO MEET THE 25 FOOT SETBACK FOR ANYTHING.
WELL, I DON'T THINK SO, BUT I THOUGHT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, I, I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT THAT'S FINE.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I'M SORRY, KATHY.ONE, I WANNA FIRST FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILOR FURMAN'S QUESTION REGARDING THE EXCLUSIVELY FOR ACCESS TO A GARAGE, WOULD, WOULD, WHAT ABOUT IF THE WORD EXCLUSIVELY WAS REMOVED FROM THAT? WOULD THAT HELP ADDRESS THAT POINT? BECAUSE IF IT'S USED FOR A GARAGE, BUT NOT EXCLUSIVELY, WE STILL WOULD WANNA PROTECT IT.
THE ACCESS, I MEAN, UH, THE WORD EX, WHY DOES THE WORD EXCLUSIVELY NEED TO BE IN THERE? I THINK THAT WAS A DEFINITION WE FOUND FROM ANOTHER CITY, AND IT SEEMED LIKE A DEFINITION THAT WOULD WORK.
I DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY ADD THAT.
NOT ATTACHED TO THAT WORD CUT.
I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S DESCRIBING THE AXIS, UM, THE DRIVING PART, NOT NECESSARILY THE USE.
I THINK ANDY WANTS TO ADD SOMETHING.
I, I HAVE A THOUGHT AND IT MIGHT HELP
SO I THINK THE INTENT IS TRYING TO ESTABLISH THAT THIS PARTICULAR DRIVEWAY IS ACCESSING THE GARAGE.
SO IF YOU HAD A, SAY A FORK THAT PEELED OFF THE DRIVEWAY AND WENT AROUND THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE TO, I DON'T KNOW, A FIRE PIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR A PICKLEBALL COURT, THEN AT THAT POINT WHERE THE ACCESS SPLITS OFF, IT'S NO LONGER, THE ACCESS IS NO LONGER EXCLUSIVE TO THE GARAGE.
THE INTENT WAS THAT TO PEOPLE COULDN'T JUST KIND OF PAVE EVERYTHING, KIND OF CONNECT IT ALL, CALL IT ALL THEIR DRIVEWAY AND GET AROUND THE REGULATIONS.
MY, MY SECOND QUESTION, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY GONNA BE MY FIRST QUESTION, UM, UP ABOVE THAT IN SECTION, UH, 3.4 D EIGHT, BUT ON PAGE 1 58, UH, G COURTS SHALL ONLY BE USED FROM 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM OR AS MODIFIED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THE AS MODIFIED, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU ENVISION THOSE MODIFICATIONS COULD POTENTIALLY BE I A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT EXTENDING IT OR LIMITING IT FURTHER, BUT THAT WOULD ALWAYS APPLY TO THAT THEN CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THAT ONE LOCATION TO THAT LOCATION.
OR THEY COULD ALSO MODIFY IT TO SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT.
UM, SO IF THERE WAS, SO AGAIN, GOING THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS REQUIRES A NOTIFICATION TO THE NEIGHBORS.
AND WHAT DO YOU, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MITIGATE THE POTENTIAL NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF A COURT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF A PERSON WAS APPLYING FOR A REDUCED SETBACK BASED ON SECTION C ABOVE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION COULD SAY, WE'LL REDUCE THE SETBACK, BUT WE'RE ALSO GONNA REDUCE YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION.
AND AS A WAY TO MITIGATE THE REDUCED DISTANCE.
BRIAN, MELISSA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO THANK YOU, MAYOR AC ACTUALLY STAYING ON COUNCILOR ELLA'S POINT ABOUT THE CUP, I'M JUST STRUGGLING WITH IF THE LDC IS, UH, SUFFICIENTLY UPDATED NOW BASED ON DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL, THEN WHY DO WE NEED, UH, A CUP? UH, IF, IF THE APPLICANT IS ADHERING TO THE LDC AS WOULD BE AMENDED HERE, THEN ISN'T IT AN AUTOMATIC THAT THEY GET APPROVAL TO PROCEED WHETHER THERE'S A CUP PROCESS IN PLACE OR NOT? SO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ADDS, SO AGAIN, THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND IT WAS THE NOTIFICATION OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT I THINK THAT THEY WERE MOST INTERESTED, AND STEVE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M INCORRECT, HE'S NODDING.
UM, AND WITH THE IDEA THAT, UM, AS WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, THE STANDARD 200 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT, THAT IS WHAT YOU START OUT AT, REQUIRES A FAIRLY LARGE LOT TO GET SOMETHING 200 FEET FROM
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ALL PROPERTY LINES.SO IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING LESS THAN THAT, BASED ON SOME OF THE CRITERIA, THEY FELT THAT A, A NOTE, AND AGAIN, IT WOULD, ANY COURT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT, BUT THE NOTIFICATION OF NEIGHBORS WAS WHAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO IF IT GOES LESS THAN 200 FEET, THEN THEY'RE SEEKING A VARIANCE.
SO THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN THAT, WELL, ORIGINALLY THE WAY THAT THAT WE HAD PROPOSED IT WAS THAT THE DIRECTOR COULD APPROVE A SETBACK REDUCTION IF TWO OF THE FIVE CONDITIONS WERE MET.
AND SO WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT, IT WOULD BE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVING THAT REDUCTION INSTEAD OF THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO TO THE PUBLIC? OKAY.
THEN WE WILL OPEN THIS UP THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION.
WE'LL START WITH, UH, BECKY HOFFER, WHO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY BOB PIKE.
JUST GIVE THE D THE DEPUTY CITY CLERK A CHANCE TO GET READY FOR THE, YOU GOOD FOR THE TIMER? OKAY.
SO BECKY, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, THE CLOCK IS UP ON THE WALL.
I'M, UM, I LIVE IN SAN ANTONIO AND SEDONA BOTH, BUT I SPEND A LOT OF TIME HERE.
I THINK THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION WAS STARTED BY ME WHEN A NEIGHBOR, THE MIC CLOSER.
I THINK THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION WAS STARTED BY ME WHEN MY NEIGHBOR ATTEMPTED TO BUILD A COURT ON, UH, OUR PROPERTY LINE OR 10 FEET FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE.
SO YOU, YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT REGULATING THESE SPORT COURTS, UM, ESPECIALLY IN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS HOODS LIKE OURS, WHICH IS VERY PEACEFUL AND QUIET.
SO NOT ONLY DOES THIS ORDINANCE IMPACT ME AND MY SISTER WHO CO-OWNS THE HOME WITH US, BUT ALSO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR PEACEFUL ENVIRONMENT.
SO I HAVE A VERY VESTED INTEREST IN SEEING THIS ORDINANCE PASS.
UH, I'M ACTUALLY PLEASED WITH THE, THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION AND THE PROPOSED ACTIONS THAT YOU'RE TAKING TO PRESERVE THE QUIET ENJOYMENT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I URGE YOU TO PLEASE PASS THIS ORDINANCE WITHOUT DELAY.
UH, THEN, UH, NORRIS PETERSON WILL BE FOLLOWED.
IT'S BOB PIKE, UH, SEDONA RESIDENT, ALSO IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UH, THE, I WOULD NOT PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY THE NOISE FROM PICKLEBALL COURT, BUT I WOULD, WOULD BE AFFECTED BY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE WILDLIFE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, PROPERTY VALUES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND, AND JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL.
AND, UM, I'M VERY PLEASED THAT WHEN WE CAME TO THIS GROUP BACK IN OCTOBER, UH, YOU SCHEDULED A HEARING, UH, OFFICIAL HEARING FOR IT.
UM, YOU SENT IT OFF TO CITY STAFF.
STAFF DID A WONDERFUL JOB OF CRAFTING THIS REGULATION.
UH, VERY RESPONSIVE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING WAS, WAS VERY ATTENTIVE.
AND, UH, THEY GOT INTO A LOT OF THE, THE WEEDS AS YOU HAVE DONE.
AND I THINK THE REGULATION IS A GOOD ONE.
AND I THINK IT'S FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL THE CITIZENS, UH, IN THE CITY.
AND, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE 476 PEOPLE WHO SIGNED OUR PETITION, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR MAKING DEMOCRACY WORK AND, AND IN A VERY APPARENT WAY.
YOU, YOU KNOW THE DRILL
I'M A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF SEDONA.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
I THINK THE CITY STAFF AND P AND Z HAVE DONE A, A VERY GOOD JOB OF CRAFTING, UH, THE AMENDMENT TO THE LAND USE CODE.
UH, THIS ORDINANCE WILL DO A GREAT JOB, A GREAT DEAL TO PROTECT THE PEACE AND QUIET AND TRANQUILITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND, UH, I THINK YOU SHOULD PASS THIS, UH, ORDINANCE TONIGHT.
ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO, UH, SHARE YOUR CONCERNS AND COMMENTS ON THIS TOPIC? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO, UM, COMMENTS.
YOU WANNA START ON THIS SIDE? OKAY.
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THE ORDINANCE.THE ONLY TWO ITEMS I'VE WITHIN IT THAT I'VE STRUGGLED WITH IS THE EXCLUSIVITY, UH, COMMENT THAT, UH, COUNCILOR FURMAN FIRST WROTE.
AND, UH, I GUESS I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR WHETHER MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DAIS FEEL THAT THAT TOPIC HAS BEEN SUFFICIENTLY DISCUSSED AND UNPACKED OR NOT, OR IF, IF THERE IS A DESIRE FOR ANY TWEAK TO THAT, I'M, I'M OPEN TO HEARING WHAT THAT MIGHT BE.
I'M, I'M JUST NOT REALLY CLEAR MYSELF.
AND THEN THE OTHER IS THE, THE CUP, UM, CARRIE, THANKS FOR THE EXPLANATION.
SO IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO DO WE WANT THE P DO WE WANT P AND Z OR THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO BE THE DECIDING BODY IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S A VARIANCE REQUEST? THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT I THINK, OF HAVING THAT CUP AND THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER, SO LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE B OUR URBAN AGRICULTURE BEEKEEPING ORDINANCE REQUIRES A NOTIFICATION, BUT NO PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IF THAT WAS, IF A NOTIFICATION WAS THE CONCERN, THERE'S A DIFFERENT OTHER WAYS YOU COULD DO THAT WITHOUT A FULL PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I, I SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE.
I JUST, I'M STILL EVEN A LITTLE BIT FUZZY ON WHETHER THE CUP IS, UH, A NECESSITY OR NOT, BUT I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TO THINK ON THAT.
THANK YOU, MAYOR MELISSA? SO, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE ORDINANCE.
I HAD SIMILAR CONCERNS AS TO THOSE THAT WERE MENTIONED.
HOWEVER, I ALSO REALIZED THAT ORDINANCES ARE NOT CRAFTED IN STONE.
AND IF IT TURNS OUT THAT, UM, THE EXCLUSIVITY WORD SEEMS TO BE PROVIDING A PROBLEM FOR RESIDENTS, THEY WILL COME BEFORE US AND THEY WILL COME BEFORE STAFF AND THEY WILL SAY, WE HAVE AN ISSUE.
AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I THINK WE, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT ISSUE ONCE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEMS REALLY ARE WITH THAT TERM.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T KNOW.
UM, AS FAR AS THE CUPI FELT THE SAME THING AT FIRST.
SO THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S OVERLY BURDENSOME, UM, NOT ONLY FOR THE INDIVIDUAL, BUT ALSO FOR STAFF.
UM, AND WHO HAVE TO PREPARE FOR THE CUP HAVE TO BRING IT IN FRONT OF THE PNZ.
THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS TO BE, BE SCHEDULED.
IT FELT LIKE A LOT, UM, FOR A SPORT COURT.
HOWEVER, I WOULD ALSO EXPECT THAT IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE BURDENSOME, THAT WE WILL HEAR ABOUT THAT AGAIN.
AND WE WILL HAVE, HAVE INFORMATION INPUT FROM THE STAFF AS FAR AS WHY IT'S BURDENSOME AND WHAT'S REALLY, WHAT'S GO REALLY GOING ON.
SO AGAIN, THIS COULD BE, UM, US WORRYING ABOUT SOMETHING WHEN THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE TWO SPORTS COURTS, UH, IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
AND SO I, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST LET IT STAND AND, UM, MODIFY IT IN THE FUTURE IF IT REQUIRES MODIFICATION.
DO WE HAVE HOLLY ON? SHE CAN'T HEAR US, BUT SHE CAN HEAR ON A PHONE.
WE HAVE A PHONE GOING AND SHE'S WATCHING ON THE TEAM.
CAN SHE OPINE AT ALL? CAN WE HEAR HER? SO HOLLY, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, CAN YOU, YOU HAVE ANY, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT THE SPORTS COURTS? YOU HEAR ME OKAY ON? I JUST, I'M ON THE TELEPHONE.
ARE WE WE'RE WORKING ON HOLLY.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CUP EITHER.
I JUST THINK IT'S UNNECESSARY, AND I'M NOT SURE WHY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RATIONALE WAS FOR PLANNING AND ZONING TO ADD THIS STEP.
AND I, I AGREE WITH MELISSA THAT IT SEEMS CUMBERSOME TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND TO, UH, DO ALL THIS EXTRA WORK BY STAFF AND BY P AND Z.
SO I, I, I REALLY DON'T, I SUPPORT AN ORDINANCE LIKE WE ASK THE STAFF TO PRESENT, BUT I DON'T SUPPORT A CUP.
IS IS THAT GOOD FOR YOU, HOLLY? THAT'S IT.
YOU DO YOU WANT, UH, TAKING A BREAK?
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OKAY.OKAY, DEREK? UM, I SUPPORT THE CHANGES, UH, REGARDING THE EXCLUSIVITY QUESTION.
UM, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY FINE, BUT WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, DRIVEWAYS DESIGNED PRIMARILY FOR ACCESS TO A GARAGE OR USED PRIMARILY FOR ACCESS TO A GARAGE.
I MEAN, THERE ARE THINGS WE COULD DO IF WE NEED, YOU KNOW, IF COUNSEL FEELS THE NEED TO ADJUST THAT.
UM, SO THAT AS, AS PETE POINTED OUT, WE'RE NOT PENALIZING PEOPLE THAT WE'RE NOT INTENDING TO COVER.
SO, UM, I'M NOT NECESSARILY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LANGUAGE, BUT IF OTHERS ARE, I MEAN, WE CAN LOOSEN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AS FOR THE CUP, UH, I'M ACTUALLY IN FAVOR OF REQUIRING IT.
I, I APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT P AND Z WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND LOOKED AT THIS AND TOOK WHAT STAFF SAID AND SAID, LET'S GO THIS EXTRA STEP.
UM, MY GENERAL OPINION IS THESE THINGS PROBABLY DON'T BELONG IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO IF THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXTRA BURDEN THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT ONE, UM, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
UH, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO NOTIFYING NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND I ASSUME AS PART OF A COP PROCESS, IF ALL THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE 200 FEET SAID, OH, WE'RE FINE WITH THIS, THAT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE THINGS A LOT EASIER AT P AND Z, WOULD IT NOT? YEAH, BUT I MEAN, THAT WAY THE NEIGHBORS GET TO CHIME IN.
INSTEAD OF FINDING OUT AFTER THE FACT THAT THE, UH, DIRECTOR SAID, OH YEAH, THIS GUY CAN BUILD A COURT.
SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THE COP PROCESS.
IT MAY COME UP ONCE OR TWICE, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA COME UP A WHOLE LOT, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT ANY OF THESE SLIPPING THROUGH THE CRACKS.
AND THEN WE HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT SAY, WELL, YOU PASSED AN ORDINANCE, BUT IT DIDN'T REALLY ADDRESS THE PROBLEM.
YEAH, I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE ORDINANCE AND THE EFFORT THAT WE PUT INTO THIS.
YOU KNOW, I WAS UP HERE WHEN WE GAVE STAFF THE DIRECTION TO DO THIS, SO OF COURSE I WOULD FEEL THAT WAY.
LET ME JUST SAY THAT I'VE THOUGHT BOTH WAYS ON THE CUP QUESTION AS WE'VE, UH, DEBATED IT HERE TONIGHT.
UH, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY TRUST STAFF AND HOW WE WOULD LEGALLY INTERPRET THOSE WORDS OR, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT TO DO THAT.
I DID THINK, UH, DEREK, THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAD SOME REALLY INTERESTING WORDING SELECTIONS, AND I WOULDN'T MIND AN ALTERNATIVE LIKE YOU SUGGESTED.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I'M NOT SUPER STRONG ABOUT THAT.
UH, AND THE, SO THE COPI WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE COP BECAUSE OF THE EXTRA NOTIFICATION.
UH, MELISSA, I THINK YOU ALSO ADDED SOME REALLY GOOD WORDS HERE.
I'M NOT REALLY WORRIED THAT THIS P AND Z IS GONNA BE, OR STAFF IS GONNA BE BURDENED BY THIS TOO MUCH.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN ALL THAT MUCH.
AND WE CAN LEARN OVER TIME AND MAYBE P AND Z IN THE FUTURE WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S TRIM OUR CODE AND GET THIS OUT OF THERE.
OR STAFF COULD BRING THAT UP AT SOME POINT AS WE WEAR IT AND SEE HOW IT GOES.
I MUST ADMIT TO HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTBURN
AND I'M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED THAT THE, THERE'LL BE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE OF ALL THE WORDS THAT ARE IN HERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMING OUT A LITTLE BIT UNFRIENDLY, PERHAPS SOUNDING TO FAMILIES AND PEOPLE THAT WANNA DO THINGS IN THEIR BACKYARD.
AND I AM A LITTLE BIT WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO SOME WORK TO ACTIVATE OUR NOISE ORDINANCE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
IT COULD BE, I DON'T THINK IT'S ACTUALLY USED VERY MUCH IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, AND THIS COULD HAVE BEEN A, A VENUE, UH, AN AVENUE FOR US TO ACTIVATE THE NOISE ORDINANCE A LITTLE BIT MORE HAD WE MADE THE NEEDED ADJUSTMENTS TO IT.
AND I HELPED MOVE THIS DIRECTION AS WELL,
UM, SO BUYER'S REMORSE, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
OVER TIME WE'LL SEE WHETHER WE DID THE RIGHT THING OR WHETHER WE GOT TOO STRONG OR, OR NOT.
SO I'M GONNA SUPPORT THOSE CHANGES.
I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS, UH, CHANGE AND I ACTUALLY AM STRONGLY SUPPORT THE CUP BECAUSE IT REQUIRES THE NOTIFICATION AND THE HEARING, THE PROCESS FOR INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
AND AGAIN, UM, AS WAS POINTED OUT BY COUNSELOR DUNN, THERE MIGHT BE TWO OF THESE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T THINK THAT THIS
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WOULD CREATE AN UNDUE BURDEN.'CAUSE THEY, WE DON'T EXPECT THAT MANY OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE DON'T EXPECT THAT MANY.
I THINK IT'S REALLY GREAT THOUGH, THAT THIS WAS A PROACTIVE PROCESS AND WE GOT AHEAD OF IT IN CASE THERE ARE ARE IS A RUSH FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE CRYSTAL BALL.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE PROCESS IN PLACE.
AND I THINK THAT THE CUP FOR ALLOWING FOR THE, UM, INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS IS MORE DISRUPTIVE POTENTIALLY.
WE DON'T KNOW YET THAN JUST A NOISE ISSUE.
IT'S DISRUPTIVE PHYSICALLY BY ITS PRESENCE.
IT COULD BE DISRUPTIVE VISUALLY TO A NEIGHBOR.
IT'S, IT'S, THERE ARE POTENTIAL ISSUES MORE THAN NOISE.
WE, WE DON'T KNOW ALL OF THAT.
SO I THINK THIS, THE LDC IS THE WAY TO GO FOR THIS.
UM, I, I, THE ONLY THING REGARDING THE EXCLUSIVE, THIS JUST WENT AWAY.
UM, I WOULD JUST TAKE THAT OUT.
DRIVEWAYS USED FOR ACCESS TO A GARAGE AND JUST TAKE THAT WORD OUT.
BUT I'M NOT, IT'S NOT A MAJOR STICKING POINT FOR ME.
AS I SAID, I THINK IF THERE'S SOME ISSUE, IT'LL COME BACK, UH, AND CAN BE DONE FAIRLY EASILY.
SO AGAIN, SUPPORTING IT AS IT IS WITH THE CUP IN THERE.
CARRIE, CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING FOR ME? WHAT IS THE RADIUS OF THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION? 300 FEET.
WHICH WOULD COVER A, UH, GOOD SWASH OF NEIGHBORS OR MORE THAN THE 200 FEET THAT THE, THIS SAYS WOULD HAVE TO BE OKAY WITH THE REDUCED SETBACK.
SO I WOULD SUPPORT THE CUPI TRUST THE STAFF.
IF IT GOES TO STAFF INSTEAD OF GOING TO P AND Z, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
UH, WE DO WANT TO, I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT IT, NOT OVERBURDENING THE STAFF AS WAS SUGGESTED FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT WERE ALSO, UH, SPOKEN HERE.
I TRUST THEM TO DO, UH, FULFILL THE OBLIGATION THAT WOULD BE PUT BEFORE THEM.
UH, IF IT HAS TO GO TO P AND Z, UH, THAT'S OUR JOB.
BUT I, I ALSO KNOW HOW MUCH WORK YOU PUT INTO THIS AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT WAS NOT JUST A SIMPLE, UH, DO A QUICK STUDY.
I KNOW YOU PUT A LOT OF WORK IN IT, YOU AND YOUR STAFF, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT.
SO I'M, UH, FINE AS, UH, WRITTEN BY THE STAFF ON THE AGENDA BILL.
I MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2025 DASH FOUR FOUR CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVAL CRITERIA IN SECTION 8.6 C FOUR OF THE LDC AMENDING THE LDC ADOPTING BY REFERENCE THAT DOCUMENT KNOWN AS EXHIBIT A DASH APRIL 22ND, 2025, PROPOSED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REVISIONS, PROVIDING FOR A SAVINGS CLAUSE AND REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES OR CODE PROVISIONS IN CONFLICT HEREWITH.
WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILOR KINSELLA, DO WE HAVE ANY LAST MINUTE DISCUSSION ING? OH, UH, HOLLY, YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY? NO, I'M, I'M GONNA VOTE FOR IT, BUT I JUST OKAY.
DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO INCLUDE A CUP.
AND THOSE OPPOSED WERE UNANIMOUS AND WE DID GET, UH, THE VICE MAYORS VOTE IN SUPPORT.
[8.b. AB 3210 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of a Resolution approving the Ground Lease with Villas on Shelby, LLC (HS Development Partners, LLC) for the Villas on Shelby Affordable Housing Project.]
B AB 32 10.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE GROUND LEASE WITH VILLAS ON ON SHELBY LLC.
DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS, LLC FOR THE VILLAS ON SHELBY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
UH, JEANNIE, YOU'LL BE PRESENTING.
SO, UM, GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I'D LIKE TO INVITE MATT SCHUMACHER TO COME UP AND JOIN ME.
UM, MATT IS THE, UH, ONE OF THE PARTNERS IN HS DEVELOPMENT, LLC.
AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE, UM, YOU AWARE THAT PATRICK MCNAMARA IS ALSO JOINING US IN THE AUDIENCE.
PATRICK, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME AND SIT MAYBE OVER HERE.
PATRICK IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING
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FINANCIAL CONSULTANT THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING WITH.SO IN CASE THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING LITECH, ET CETERA, HE'S AVAILABLE FOR YOU.
UM, SO I THINK, UM, WE'RE HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS, UM, APPROVAL OF GROUND LEASE FOR THE VILLAS ON SHELBY, A 30 ACRE, A 30 UNIT, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM THAT HAS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.
AND WE'RE JUST AT THE FINAL STAGES OF, UM, CLOSING AND GETTING READY TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
AND I THINK I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO KURT RIGHT NOW, OUR LEGAL, BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE LEASE AGREEMENT.
AND SO I'D LIKE YOU TO, YOU KNOW, JUST SORT OF WEIGH IN THERE ON THAT.
SO, UH, THE THERE, THE REASON, THIS IS BACK BEFORE COUNCIL COUNSEL APPROVED A LEASE ORIGINALLY IN MARCH, 2023 AND AGAIN IN DECEMBER, 2023.
UM, AND PRIOR TO THOSE TIMES, THE, UH, BOND INVESTOR AND THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL, THE TAX INVESTOR AND THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL, UM, HAD NOT FULLY REVIEWED THE AGREEMENT.
AND SO THEY NEEDED TO, THEY NEEDED CHANGES IN ORDER TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE L TECH PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S WHY THE, THE REASON IS BACK, THE LEASE IS BACK BEFORE COUNSEL AGAIN.
SO THERE WERE, UH, EVEN SOME LATE LAST MINUTE CHANGES, UM, WHICH COUNSEL CAN DISCUSS IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
[9. EXECUTIVE SESSION ]
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR DISCUSSION FOR ATTORNEY'S ADVICE REGARDING THE GROUND LEASE.DO WE HAVE A SECOND? IT'S SECOND.
SO THAT'LL BE, UH, SECONDED ACTUALLY BY THE VICE MAYOR.
WE'LL BE BACK, RIGHT BACK TO YOU FOLKS.
ALL JUST GONNA KEEP YOU ON THE PHONE.
SO WE'LL START WITH, AND I CAN'T MS. WEISS, BECAUSE I CAN'T PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME
SO, BUT JUST GIVE THE CITY CLERK READY.
START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE ON BOARD WOULD BE MASON.
COUNCIL MEMBERS AND NEIGHBORS.
MY NAME IS TIA WEISS AND I'M A RESIDENT OF PRESCOTT, ARIZONA.
I'VE BEEN LIVING IN YAVAPAI COUNTY FOR OVER 33 YEARS, AND I'M ALSO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF HOPE HOUSE OF SEDONA, THE ONLY BRIDGE HOUSING PROGRAM IN OUR REGION, EXCLUSIVELY SERVING FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN, EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
WE PROVIDE NOT ONLY SAFE SHELTER, BUT COMPREHENSIVE SUPPORT TO HELP FAMILIES STABILIZE AND SUCCESSFULLY TRANSITION INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.
TONIGHT I WANT TO VOICE MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE REVISED GROUND LEASE FOR THE VILLAS ON SHELBY.
AS WORKFORCE HOUSING, WE KNOW FIRSTHAND HOW DIFFICULT IT IS FOR SEDONA FAMILIES TO LIVE WHERE THEY WORK AND WORK-FORCE HOUSING, LIKE THIS IS A KEY PART OF THE SOLUTION.
NATIONAL DATA SHOWS THAT CHILDREN WITH STABLE HOUSING ARE 20% MORE LIKELY TO GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL AND FAR LESS LIKELY TO EXPERIENCE INCARCERATION, EMERGENCY HEALTHCARE NEEDS, AND THE FOSTER SYSTEM THAT MEANS FEWER, FEWER TAX DOLLARS ON, ON THE CRISIS SYSTEMS AND MORE INVESTMENT IN THE WELLBEING OF OUR COMMUNITY.
PROJECTS LIKE THE VILLAS ON SHELBY DON'T JUST PROVIDE HOUSING, THEY PROTECT OUR FUTURES.
I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO MAKING SEDONA LIVABLE FOR THE PEOPLE, UH, THAT ARE TRYING TO WORK HERE.
AND THEN ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I JUST WANT TO STATE THAT I, I WAS UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE I AM A RESIDENT OF PRESCOTT COMING HERE AND I SPOKE WITH JEANNIE ABOUT MY, MY SPECIAL POSITION, WHICH IS THAT I'VE BEEN THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND COMMUTING TO SEDONA FOR ALMOST TWO
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YEARS AND NOT ABLE TO FIND HOUSING HERE AS SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN SE 70% OF A MI MYSELF.SO IT'S KIND OF AN IRONIC POSITION TO BE HELPING FAMILIES WHO WITH SHELTER WHEN I DON'T HAVE ANY MYSELF.
MASON WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, JOE MARTIN.
HELLO, MY NAME IS MASON BRADSHAW.
I RESIDE IN COTTONWOOD, ARIZONA.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL FOR HEARING ME TODAY.
UH, I WANT TO SHOW MY SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT ON SHELBY.
UH, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, I NOW LIVE IN COTTONWOOD, EVEN THOUGH MY FAMILY HAS LIVED IN THE SEDONA AREA SINCE 1949.
UH, I AM A BUSINESS OWNER IN SEDONA AND I ALSO MANAGE OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE SEDONA AREA.
I OVERSEE AROUND 70 EMPLOYEES, MANY OF WHICH LIVE IN COTTONWOOD, UH, CAMP VERDE AND EVEN FLAGSTAFF.
UH, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THE FLAGSTAFF HOUSING MARKET IS QUITE HIGH AS WELL.
UH, THE RENTING PRICES UP THERE IS QUITE HIGH.
I HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE, HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THE HOUSING IN SEDONA, BUT THERE'S NO OPTION FOR THEM.
UM, UH, I THINK I, UM, SORRY, GOT LOST IN MY NOTES.
HERES, I, I BELIEVE THE SHELBY PROJECT WOULD HELP NOT ONLY MY EMPLOYEES, BUT MANY OTHER EMPLOYEES IN THE AREA.
I ALSO THINK THAT NOT ONLY THIS PROJECT SHOULD BE APPROVED, BUT MANY OTHERS.
THERE'S ALSO PROGRAMS LIKE THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, UH, CBD FOR SHORT, UH, THAT WOULD ALSO HELP WITH PROJECTS LIKE THIS.
UH, ENTERING THE CBD UH, PROGRAM WOULD ALSO GIVE US ACCESS TO CREDITS LIKE, UH, THE G-P-L-E-T, UH, WHICH MEANS GOVERNMENT PROPERTY, LEASE, EXERCISE TAX.
UH, WITH THOSE PROGRAMS, I THINK THAT SEDONA WOULD BE A LOT MORE AFFORDABLE AND WE FIND A LOT MORE HOUSING.
JOE MARTIN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DAVID KEY.
JOE MARTIN, CITY OF SEDONA MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I'M IN FAVOR OF THE CITY MOVING FORWARD WITH THE LAND LEASE REPRESENTATIVES FROM DIG STATED AT THE LAST PNZ MEETING THAT A 200 UNIT PROJECT IS GENERALLY MORE ATTRACTIVE TO INVESTORS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SEEING AS WE HAVE A DEVELOPER WILLING TO DO A 30 UNIT PROJECT SHOWS A COMMITMENT FROM THE DEVELOPER TO ADDRESS OUR ISSUE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PROVIDE A QUALITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
THE MEDIUM INCOME IN SEDONA IS $60,000 OR $28 AN HOUR.
TO QUALIFY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, A PERSON WILL NEED TO MAKE 80% OR LESS OF THE MEDIUM INCOME.
80% IS $48,000 A YEAR, OR $23 AN HOUR TO GET AN IDEA OF WHO WOULD QUALIFY FOR THAT, WHO'S ON A CURRENT OPEN JOB LISTING FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA.
THE TWO JOB OPENINGS THAT ARE OPEN RIGHT NOW WOULD BE A PERSON THAT'S A FULL-TIME COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICER AT THE RATE OF 2309 OR A FULL-TIME CITY MAN, CITY MAINTENANCE WORKER STARTING SALARY OR HOURLY RATE OF $18 AND 98 CENTS.
WE HAVE SUCH A NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND WORKFORCE.
I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS LAND LEASE.
DAVID KEY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY CHERYL BARON MASON WAS TRYING TO LEAVE ME A CHEAT SHEET.
HAPPY TO BE WITH YOU ALL AND LET ME FIRST JUST SAY A GREAT THANK YOU TO YOU ALL FOR PURSUING A PROJECT LIKE THIS AND DOING THIS KIND OF WORK.
IT DOES NOT HAPPEN IN ALL COMMUNITIES, AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WORK.
SO THANK YOU ALL FROM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL AND STAFF.
UM, WORKFORCE IS A, A CHALLENGE.
IT IS CITED AS THE GREATEST CHALLENGE FOR OUR MEMBERS.
WE LIVE SURVEYED THEM LAST MONTH, OVER A HUNDRED FOLKS SEEING WORKFORCE RELATED ISSUES WERE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE OF THEIR BUSINESS NOW WITHIN WORKFORCE.
WORKFORCE HOUSING WAS CITED, UH, TURNOVER, UM, AND, AND REALLY WAGES.
THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE ON WAGES AS THE COST OF LIVING GOES UP, AS, AS EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM MOST LIKELY KNOWS.
SO I DO SUPPORT YOU ALL MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS GROUND LEASE, UH, FOR THE SHELBY PROJECT.
UM, AND NAMELY BECAUSE IT DOES CREATE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES BELOW THAT, A MI THAT WAS JUST SPOKEN ABOUT, YOU HAVE DIRECTORS AT CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS DOING MANAGER WORK, AND YOU HAVE FOLKS,
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MANAGERS DOING COORDINATOR WORK.NOW, CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS CANNOT AFFORD THESE LOWER LYING POSITIONS THAT ARE EQUALLY IMPORTANT.
AND THEY'RE SOMETIMES HAVING TWO PEOPLE, UH, BECOME ONE, ONE PERSON DOING TWO JOBS, ONE PERSON WORKING TWO TO THREE PART-TIME JOBS.
UM, SO YOU ALL KNOW I'M, I'M PREACHING TO THE CHOIR HERE, BUT I, I GOTTA SAY IT'S STILL 'CAUSE IT'S, UH, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
AND, UM, YEAH, REALLY JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING THIS.
UM, REALLY SUPPORT THE PROJECT, JEANIE DOING GREAT WORK.
UM, WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MORE HOUSING RIGHT HERE IN SEDONA FOR OUR, UH, OUR WORKFORCE AND OUR EMPLOYERS.
CHERYL WILL BE FOLLOWED BY LUKE SEFTON, AND LUKE WILL BE OUR LAST, UH, SPEAKER.
IF ANYBODY ELSE WISHES TO FILL OUT A CARD, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO THAT, OR YOU HAVE MORE.
I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA, UM, SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, BUT I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE SEDONA LODGING COUNCIL.
WE HAVE 46 MEMBERS THAT I REPRESENT TODAY.
AND YOU MAY NOT SEE THE GENERAL MANAGERS OR THE OWNERS IN THE SEATS BACK HERE.
AND DAVID, THAT WAS A GOOD SEGUE BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING THEIR LINE, THEIR LINE, UM, EMPLOYEE JOBS, SO THEY CAN'T GET AWAY.
THEY CAN'T, IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO WRITE LETTERS.
AND I KNOW BRIAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GET THE BUSINESS OWNERS, GET THE BUSINESS MANAGERS TO, TO SPEAK OUT, AND THEY JUST ARE SO OVERWHELMED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE EMPLOYEES.
BUT I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE EFFORT TO BRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING INTO SEDONA TO BRING WORKFORCE HOUSING INTO SEDONA.
FIVE YEARS AGO, IT WAS A COMMENT LIKE, OH, IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN.
AND NOW LOOK, WE'RE HAVING SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT, SO IT'S MOVING FORWARD, MAYBE A LITTLE SLOWER THAN WE WANT, BUT IT IS MOVING FORWARD.
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS ON THAT.
UM, SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS AGO BEFORE, UM, I BECAME PRESIDENT, STEVE SIGNER WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE LODGING COUNCIL, AND HE STARTED TALKING BACK THEN ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING.
SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK IS, I, I APPROVE OR I NOT APPROVE, BUT I, UM, AM ALL IN FAVOR OF THE SHELBY PROJECT.
UM, BUT I HOPE WE CAN GET IT ACROSS THE STARTING LINE.
LET'S APPROVE IT AND GET IT, CONTINUE THE MOVE ON IT.
UM, YOUR, YOUR APPROVALS WILL SEND A REALLY STRONG MESSAGE TO THE STATE THAT IT'S A CRITICAL ISSUE IN SEDONA.
AND, UM, I COULD TELL YOU STORIES OF EMPLOYEES I HAVE ON TWO HANDS, I CAN COUNT WHERE EMPLOYEES THAT WORK FOR OUR PROPERTIES ARE LIVING IN THEIR CARS.
THEY'RE COUCH SURFING, THEY'RE BEING SEPARATED, BUT FROM THEIR CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE PLACE TO PROVIDE A, A, A ROOM OR A BED FOR THEIR KIDS.
AND, AND YOU HAVE THE POWER TO HELP MOVE US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UH, LUKE STON WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MARK JACOBSON, WHO WOULD BE THE LAST SPEAKER UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE WISHES TO FILL OUT A COURT.
MAYOR, COUNCIL, I'M LUKE SEFTON.
UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU GUYS DIDN'T, WE'VE ALL BEEN AT THOSE MEETINGS, SO I'M VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
I CAN TELL YOU DEVELOPMENT'S DIFFICULT.
YOU NEVER FIND THE PERFECT PROJECT, AND THERE'S ALWAYS ISSUES, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE COURAGE TO MOVE FORWARD AND GET THIS DONE BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED HOUSING.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL GO THROUGH.
LOOK OKAY, MARK JACOBSON, WE WILL BE THE LAST SPEAKER.
I'M MARK JACOBSON, SEDONA RESIDENT, LONGTIME SEDONA RESIDENT.
UM, I MOVED HERE TO RAISE MY KIDS AND SEDONAS A DIFFERENT TOWN THAN IT WAS WHEN I MOVED HERE.
YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE ANY RANDOM NEIGHBORHOOD STREET WAS THE DOTTED WITH HOMES THAT HAD FAMILIES IN THERE.
THOSE FAMILIES ARE ALL GONE FOR THE MOST PART.
YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN REPLACED BY SHORT TERM RENTALS AND, UH, UH, I MEAN, YOU COULD ATTEST THAT WITH, WITH THE SCHOOLS.
YOU KNOW, THERE BARELY ANY STUDENTS AT THE RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL, UH, BIG PARK CLOSED DOWN AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STRUGGLING.
IT'S JUST NOT WHAT IT WAS YEARS AGO.
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SO THAT'S, AS A RESIDENT, UM, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I HAVE BUSINESS HERE AND, UM, IT'S BEEN SAID MANY TIMES TONIGHT.UH, BUT MY, MY CLIENTS ARE ALL THE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND A NUMBER OF YOU ARE, ARE MY CUSTOMERS.
UM, AND AS DAVID KEY FROM THE CHAMBER SAID, AND THEIR STUDY, THAT THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT, AND I CAN CONFIRM THIS FROM TALKING TO MY CLIENTS, THE ONE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM BUSINESSES ARE HAVING TODAY IS THE WORKFORCE LACK OF HELP.
NOT JUST FINDING THEM, BUT RETAINING THEM.
AND I BELIEVE I'VE HEARD STORIES FROM THE CITY HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM WITH STAFF, CITY STAFF.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS, I MEAN, THIS IS A, THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT, BUT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON STUDIES AS FAR AS NEEDING, UH, HOUSING NEEDS, UM, I WAS AT LAST WEEK'S PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING REGARDING THE WESTERN GATEWAY.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE STUDIES WOULD SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, AS OF NOW, THERE'S A DEFICIENCY OF HOUSING OF APPROXIMATELY 2000 UNITS IN SEDONA.
SO A 30 UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A DROP IN THE BUCKET.
AND APPROVING THIS PROJECT SHOULD BE A SLAM DUNK, AS WELL AS, UH, THE SUNSET PROJECT AND THE, THE WESTERN GATEWAY.
I MEAN, THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR 500 UNITS, MORE OR LESS TO MEET THAT 2000, 2000 UNIT DEMAND.
YOU KNOW, AND I THINK ASIDE FROM ALL THAT, I THINK THAT THE CITY SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF A IMPLEMENTATION PLAN ON HOW TO REALIZE THE 2000 EFFICIENT UNITS.
UM, I'M IN TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
I HOPE IT MOVES FORWARD TONIGHT.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THIS SESSION, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC.
UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? UM, YEAH.
I WANT TO, AS MUCH AS I LIKE THIS PROJECT, UH, WE RECEIVED SUBSTANTIAL REVISIONS TO THE LEASE, UH, RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING.
UH, WE NEED TIME TO REVIEW THOSE.
SO I MOVED TO CONTINUE AGENDA ITEM EIGHT B TO 3:00 PM ON MONDAY, APRIL 28TH.
OH, YOU DISCUSSION? YES, GO AHEAD.
YOU KNOW, FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE TONIGHT THAT SPOKE ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT, I KNOW YOU'RE DISAPPOINTED.
UH, WE EXPECTED THAT WE WOULD HAVE, UH, TERMS AND CONDITIONS NAILED DOWN AND BE ABLE TO VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING, AND THAT JUST SIMPLY ISN'T THE CASE.
AND IT'S NOT GOOD BUSINESS TO PROCEED WITHOUT ALL THE I'S DOTTED AND T'S CROSSED.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, LIKE COUNCILLOR FFE SAID, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE PROJECT, HOPE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT.
BUT THE, THE, THE WORK'S NOT DONE AND I HOPE THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL, UM, PROCEED EXPEDITIOUSLY TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION, THE RESPONSES BACK WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A PRODUCTIVE CONCLUSION TO THIS NEXT MONDAY.
I'D LIKE TO ALSO ADD THAT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT EVERYBODY HERE WHO SPOKE HAS TO COME BACK AND SPEAK AGAIN, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK AND VISIT AND ATTEND THE MEETING.
BUT WE'VE HEARD EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SAID.
WE HAVE THE CARDS, UH, BUT THIS IS JUST A MATTER OF, UH, DOING THINGS THE RIGHT WAY.
SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION POINTS? OKAY.
ANY OPPOSED? WE ARE UNANIMOUS.
YOU WANNA TAKE A BREAK NOW OR AFTER THIS? THIS SHOULD BE A QUICK, ANDY, WILL THIS BE THIS ITEM? BE QUICK.
NO UPTOWN IT, IT SHOULD BE QUICK ITEM C.
THEN WE'LL TAKE A, WE'LL TAKE A BREAK AFTER ITEM C.
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SLIDE ONE? YEAH.[8.c. AB 3091 Discussion/possible action for approval of a change order for the SIM 1B -Uptown Road Improvements Project contract with Combs Construction Company, Inc. for the completion of the paving northbound areas from Forest Road to Owenby Roundabout, including the southbound areas, in the amount of $684,178.75.]
AFTERNOON MAYOR.UM, VICE MAYOR, YOU'RE NOT HERE IN ABSENCE IN COUNSEL.
THIS IS OUR, UH, FINISHING OF OUR PROJECT OF SIM ONE B.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY REVIEWED THE POWERPOINT AND ALL THESE ISSUES.
WE'LL TRY TO BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.
UM, THE WHOLE BIG, UH, POINT WAS IN OUR, UM, SCOPING OF THE PROJECT WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
WE DID 18 CORES THAT THEN FOUND OUT DEFICIENCIES IN THE PAVEMENT THAT WHEN WE ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT, UM, THAT WASN'T OBVIOUS.
KURT, CAN YOU JUST HOLD ON FOR ONE? YEAH.
CAN I ASK YOU IN THE AUDIENCE TO PLEASE HOLD YOUR COMMENTS PLEASE.
'CAUSE IT IS, WE CAN HEAR IT UP HERE.
AND, UH, KURT JUST INTRODUCE EVERYBODY WITH YOU TO YOUR OKAY.
KURT HARRIS, PUBLIC WORK CITY ENGINEER.
JONATHAN HOFFMAN, PROJECT MANAGER AND JOHN HALL, OUR, UM, ENGINEERING SUPERVISOR.
WHO ARE HELPING ME WITH THIS PROJECT CONTINUE ON.
SO AS WE WERE IN THAT A YEAR AGO, WE DID THESE 18 CORE SAMPLES AND IT WAS A DISCOVERY FINDING OUT THAT THE, UM, AVERAGE PAVEMENT CONDITION, THE PCI CALLED PAVEMENT CONDITIONING INDEX, WENT FROM, UM, FAILURE TO GOOD, SUBSTANTIAL, THE AVERAGE WEIGHTED ONE WAS FAIR.
SO IN THAT WE CAME UP WITH A PLAN TO DO A DETAILED, UM, IMPROVEMENT TO GET THE ROAD BACK UP TO WHERE IT'LL BE THE MOST DURABLE TO PROVIDE THE BEST VALUE FOR THE CITY AND THE UPTOWN BUSINESSES AND RESIDENCES.
FORTUNATELY, WE PUSHED THIS PROJECT TO THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR IN ORDER TO DO IT AT NIGHT WORK SO WE'RE NOT INTERRUPTING TRAFFIC AND BUSINESSES AND SO ON.
AND FORTUNATELY WITH OUR CONTRACTOR COMBS, THEY'VE UM, ACTUALLY HELD ONTO THE, UH, UM, ASPHALT UNIT PRICE CONTEST.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WE WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOU TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT VALUE AND GET THIS PROJECT DONE AS BEST AS POSSIBLE WITH IMPROVEMENTS IN STRIPING AND SO ON.
UM, AS PART OF THE, UM, A REWARD BACK TO THE UPTOWN RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESSES WHO'VE BEEN COOPERATIVE AND WORKING WITH US WITH ALL OUR OTHER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA.
SO, UM, WITH THAT I CAN GO THROUGH THE POWERPOINT, UH, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN HERE ABOUT THE SEASON.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH JUST WHAT WE DISCUSSED.
THIS IS THE PAVEMENT PLAN THAT, UH, JONATHAN PUT TOGETHER TO SHOW ALL THE DETAILS OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE MILLING AT CERTAIN DEPTHS AND PROVIDING THAT LEVEL OF PAVEMENT.
IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY COMPLICATED PLAN.
WHEN I WORKED AT ADOT, WE LOOKED AT THESE HIGHLY SKEPTICAL BECAUSE IT PUTS, YOU NEED A HIGH, UH, TECHNICAL ABILITY CONTRACTOR, UM, COMBS WITH THEIR SURFACING OR COMMITTED THAT THEY CAN DO THIS.
UM, BUT IT, IT SHOWS THE LEVEL OF DETAIL IN ORDER TO DO THE BEST VALUE OF GETTING THAT PROPER STRUCTURAL DEPTH TO MAKING SURE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A LONG LASTING DURABLE PRODUCT WHEN WE'RE DONE.
AND THIS IS THE SHARED USE PATH THAT WE'RE GONNA DO IMPROVEMENTS ON THERE.
WE HAD SOME POST CRACKING, SO WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY GO IN THERE AND WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK AND REMOVING THAT AS WELL.
SO THAT PROJECT'S GONNA BE DONE.
WE ARE ACTUALLY ADDING TO THE PROJECT, WORKING WITH NANCY AND ARTS TO DO, UM, ANIMAL FOOTPRINTS DOWN WHERE THE SKIP LINE IS IN THE MEDIUM TO BRING THAT ART VALUE INTO THAT UPTOWN AREA TO PROVIDE THAT VALUE.
MENTIONED EARLIER ON OUR OTHER COUNCIL MEETINGS OF THE CALL OF THE CANYON ARTWORK THAT WE'RE BRINGING THERE AS WELL.
SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO MAKE THIS AN ENHANCEMENT AND TRYING TO TIE IN THAT HISTORICAL AND THE VIEWS WITH THE, UM, THE WHOLE ASPECT OF IT.
DEREK, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? PETE? UH, I DO WANT TO ASK YOU A COUPLE QUESTIONS, KURT, AS YOU, YOU, MY, YOU CAUGHT MY EAR HERE.
PERHAPS IT'S MY, NOT CLEARLY READING THE PACKET.
YOU TALKED ABOUT ENHANCEMENTS, ENHANCEMENTS IN THIS CONTRACT 860.
WHAT'S THE VALUE OF THE NEW THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING VERSUS TRYING TO ACHIEVE WHAT WE, WELL, THE ENHANCEMENTS WERE THE ART PROJECTS THAT, SO INSTEAD OF JUST REPLACING THE CONCRETE WITH STANDARD, WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY TRY TO PUT ANIMAL FOOTPRINTS IN THERE FOR, FOR YOUR REPLACE FOR PEOPLE
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TO, THAT WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN.AND WHAT'S THE VALUE OF THE ENHANCEMENTS IN THAT ON THE MIC? WELL, THE OVERALL VALUE OR VALUE WE'RE ASKING BEFORE IS 684,000, BUT FOR LIKE JUST THE UM, FOOT ANIMAL FOOTPRINTS.
THE CALL OF THE CANYON, THAT ARTWORK SO ON, IS THAT'S GONNA BE DONE THROUGH OUR OPERATIONS.
THAT'S NOT ADDED TO THIS PROJECT, BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE ADJACENT BUSINESSES TO BRING ART INTO THE UPTOWN AREA AS PART OF THAT PROMISE THAT WE'RE, WE'VE GIVEN TO THE COMMUNITY.
THEN KURT AND JONATHAN AND JOHN, JUST FOR MY EDIFICATION HERE, I'M LOOKING, I WANNA ASK A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT LESSONS LEARNED.
684,000 IS A BIG CHANGE ORDER.
UH, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT WE INITIALLY DIDN'T PLAN TO GRIND AND DO THE LEVEL OF DETAILED WORK THEN, BUT WE HAD SOME, WE DID OUR BEST WORK TO LAY OUT THE PROJECT AT THE START, BUT THEN WE GOT INTO IT MORE AND WE DID SOME CORE SAMPLES AND WE FOUND IT WASN'T IN THE CONDITION THAT WE THOUGHT, IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE PCI, OUR INITIAL ENGINEERING ESTIMATE WORK THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE MOVING FORWARD SO WE UNDERSTAND WHEN THIS HAPPENS? OR IS IT JUST ONE OF THESE TECHNICAL THINGS THAT HAPPENS? YES.
SO, UM, COUNSELOR PETE, WE, WE LOOKED AT THE BEST OF WHAT THE SURFACE LOOKED AND WE KNEW WE HAD SOME SURFACE DETERIORATION.
UM, BUT ONCE WE TALKED WITH THE EXPERTS AND HAVING NOT JUST ONE, BUT TWO DIFFERENT GEOTECH, UM, TO LOOK AT IT, WE ALL AGREED TO DO CORE SAMPLES AS A TEAM AND IT TO REALLY GET IN THE, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THE WORK, LET'S DO IT RIGHT.
AND THAT WAS THAT AGE OF DISCOVERY.
SO IF I SAY, IF THERE'S SOMETHING TO CHANGE AND WE'RE SEEING LEVEL OF DISTRESS, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND INVEST IN DOING CORE SAMPLES TO GET THAT WHOLE STRUCTURAL RATING SO WE CAN COME TO A BETTER DESIGN SCOPE SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO DO A CHANGE ORDER MOVING FORWARD.
CONSIDER THIS EXACTLY TECHNICAL ANALYSIS IN DEPTH A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND, AND THE UPTOWN AREA IS PROBABLY THE HIGHEST USE OF OUR PAVEMENT STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY THAT'S UNDER THE CITY RESPONSIBILITY.
THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER LESSONS LEARNED THAT I WOULD'VE SAID, OH, WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT FROM THE START.
HOLLY, ARE YOU STILL THERE? I AM.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
UH, SO WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR OUTREACH TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS? THIS IS GONNA BE DONE AT NIGHT.
SO THERE SHOULD REALLY BE ANY IMPACT AT ALL, BUT, OH, WELL, THERE'RE GONNA BE IMPACTS.
SO WE'RE GONNA NEED TO WORK WITH ANY OF THE HOTELS.
AIRBNBS FOR PEOPLE ARE SLEEPING AT NIGHT TO MAKING SURE WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO MINIMIZE ANY BACKUP ALARMS. SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IT AS QUIETLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT THERE'LL BE SOME IMPACTS, UM, DOING AT NIGHT OPERATIONS.
AND THE WHOLE POINT IS TO HAVE THOSE PAVING TEMPERATURES AT NIGHTTIME TO DO THIS.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WITH 55 DEGREES FOR, YEAH, IT'S USUALLY 55 DEGREES IN RISING, BUT AT THAT THIS TIME IN MAY, THAT JUNE, IT SHOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUE AT ALL.
WILL YOU STILL HAVE, AS IN THE PAST, A HOTLINE FOR PEOPLE TO CALL IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES SO THEY CAN GET THE RIGHT PERSON? YEAH, LET ME, LET ME LET JONATHAN STEP ON THAT.
WE'VE GOT BETA PR, WE'VE DONE HANDOUTS, WE, AND HE CAN ANSWER MORE DETAIL.
MAYOR JAO, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF TOUCH ON THAT.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE SHARED USE PATH LAST YEAR, WE WERE ANTICIPATING STARTING THE EXISTING ALTERNATE PAVING.
SO I HAD ALREADY TEAMED UP WITH BETA PR AND WENT TO STAKEHOLDERS AND HOTELS IN THAT AREA.
AND AS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARKING GARAGE HAD STARTED, WE FIGURED IT BEST TO WAIT TO DO ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS OF PAVING TO HAVE DUMP TRUCKS TURN AROUND AND MAKE IT DIRTY AND POSSIBLY TEAR IT UP.
SO THE POINT WAS THE PROJECT WAS DELAYED UNTIL NOW.
SO IT'S A MATTER OF KIND OF JUST RESTARTING OUR COMMUNICATIONS.
ALL THE HOTELS WERE ON BOARD, THEY UNDERSTOOD THE IMPACT, THEY WERE ACTUALLY EAGER TO SEE IT DONE, THEY UNDERSTOOD, THEY JUST WERE ASKING SPECIFIC DATES.
AND THAT'S CURRENTLY, I'M WORKING WITH A CONTRACTOR TO GET EXACT DAYS OF IMPACT SO THEY CAN NOTIFY VISITORS.
AND I KIND OF IN A, IN A LITTLE BIT OF HUMOR, I KIND OF AT THE START OF THIS DISCUSSION TOLD THE CONTRACTOR THIS IS PRETTY MUCH A, UH, AN OUTREACH PROJECT AND A TRAFFIC CONTROL PROJECT WITH PAVING KIND OF ATTACHED POINT BEING, WE COULD DO AN EXCELLENT JOB PAVING AND IT COULD BE PERCEIVED AS A FAILURE IF WE DON'T FOLLOW THE TRAFFIC CONTROL PLANS AND THE OUTREACH CORRECTLY.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M CURRENTLY DOING NOW IS THE OUTREACH PORTION OR STARTING THAT DISCUSSION.
'CAUSE I, I KNOW THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT EXCELLED GREATLY FOR THE PAST FEW PROJECTS
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IN UPTOWN BY COMMUNICATING AND THE, YOU REALLY CUT BACK ON THE AMOUNT OF COMPLAINTS AND PHONE CALLS, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.DO I HAVE A MOTION I MOVE TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CHANGE ORDER NUMBER FOUR IN THE AMOUNT OF $684,178 AND 75 CENTS TO THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WITH COMBES CONSTRUCTION, RESULTING IN A TOTAL CONTRACT AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $5,450,695 AND 14 CENTS.
SECOND BY PETE? OH, BY DEREK? NO, IT IS PETE.
UH, HOLLY, YOU ON BOARD? I'M ON BOARD.
OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A 20 MINUTE BREAK, SO WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU ABOUT A QUARTER TO SEVEN, GIVE OR TAKE A MINUTE OR TWO.
ITEM C, AB 30, WAS IT A 91 DISCUSSION? POSSIBLE ACTION FOR APPROVAL, UH, FOR A CHANGE ORDER FOR SIM? NO.
[8.d. AB 3144 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of a construction contract with Pronghorn Services, LLC, for the Andante Shared Use Path and Drainage Improvements Project, SIM-11n, in the amount of $3,018,684.]
AB 31 44 POSSIBLE, UH, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION, UH, REGARDING APPROVAL OF A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH, UH, PRAGUE HORN SERVICES, LLC FOR THE ANTE SHARED USE PATH AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, PROJECT, THAT'S SIM 11 N IN THE AMOUNT OF, UH, 3,018,684.AND THAT WILL BE, OH, AGAIN WITH YOU GUYS.
OH, QUITE THE SANDY, YOU GONNA QUITE THE, YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY ALL YOU.
UH, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, SANDY PHILLIPS WITH PUBLIC WORKS.
YOU'VE ALREADY MET JONATHAN AND KURT, UM, VERY BUSY TEAM.
OUR PROJECT TONIGHT ON DANTE HAS BEEN, UH, TO COUNCIL A NUMBER OF TIMES.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT SINCE 2007.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BRING TO YOU, THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AND ALL THE WORK WE'VE PUT INTO IT.
UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE GRAPHIC.
UH, NORTH IS TWO, YOUR RIGHT, THE 89 A IS DOWN HERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND THUNDER MOUNTAIN IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
SO THE PATH STARTS AT 89 A ON THE WEST SIDE, THERE IS A SPEED TABLE OR SPEED HUMP LOCATED HERE.
IT GOES UP JUST SOUTH OF THIS IS LYRIC.
THIS CROSSES JUST BEFORE WE GET TO LYRIC CONTINUES UP, THERE'S ANOTHER SPEED TABLE AND THEN CONTINUES ON THE EAST SIDE UP TO THUNDER MOUNTAIN.
SO ON DANTE IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE BETWEEN 89 A AND UH, THUNDER MOUNTAIN AND ALSO A MAIN ROUTE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND TRAFFIC ALONG WITH A SCHOOL BUS ROUTE.
THIS PROJECT IS 2,840 LINEAR FEET, ALMOST A HALF MILE, AND IS WHAT'S PROPOSED IS A CONCRETE SHARED USE PATH.
AND UNDERNEATH THE SHARED USE PATH, WE'RE ALSO PUTTING DRAINAGE STRUCTURES AS WELL AS CONDUIT.
THERE'S, WE'VE DONE POLICE RECORDS SEARCHES AND THERE'S NOT, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY APPLIED FOR A GRANT, UH, WE'VE APPLIED FOR GRANTS A NUMBER OF TIMES ON THIS PROJECT.
THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY SERIOUS ACCIDENTS.
RECENTLY WE APPLIED FOR A RAISE GRANT, BUT THERE HAS BEEN REAL RECENTLY SOME ACCIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO SAFETY IS A HUGE FACTOR ON PUTTING THIS PATHWAY IN.
THE COST THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE CONTRACT IS $3 MILLION.
WE DID A BREAKDOWN APPROXIMATELY $1.5 MILLION GOES TO THE SHARED USE PATH AND THE REST OF IT COVERS ALL THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS WE'VE GOT PLANNED.
SO IS IT THAT ONE? NO, WHICH ONE? THE ONE I HAD BEFORE.
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THERE WE GO.ALRIGHT, SO I WANNA TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD.
UM, OUR OUTREACH BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2022, WE DID A THOROUGH OUTREACH.
WE SENT 353 MAILINGS TO THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD TO INVITE EVERYONE TO COME OUT TO THE LIBRARY AND HELP US, UH, LOOK AT PATTERNS OF THE PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS IN THIS AREA AND WHAT THEIR PREFERRED ROUTE WAS.
SO THIS WAS A BILINGUAL OUTREACH AND WE HAD OVER 30, UH, ATTENDEES TO OUR LAB, OUR LIBRARY MEETING.
BUT LIKE I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, WE ACTUALLY STARTED THIS PROCESS IN 2007 AND PURSUED GRANTS.
SO THE COVID HIT AND, UH, THAT GRANT APP APPLICATION PROCESS WAS, WAS DROPPED.
AND SO WE'RE GLAD TO PICK THIS UP AGAIN WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE RESIDENTS AND THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF THE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS COUNCIL.
SANDY, JUST FOR ME TO INTERRUPT FOR A SECOND.
SO THE OUTREACH, THIS CAME BACK IF MY UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS CAME TO A COUNCIL MEETING AND SPOKE FOR THEIR, UH, THREE MINUTES ASKING FOR THIS PROJECT OR SOME KIND OF A SAFETY, UH, PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE, UH, ON UH, SAFE ROADS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
AND THAT WAS, HOW MANY YEARS AGO WAS THAT? THAT THEY CAME FOUR YEARS AGO.
AND THAT'S WHAT STARTED OUR PROCESS TO HAVE THAT LIBRARY MEETING IN DECEMBER OF 2022.
SO, SO THERE'S A GO PLAN THAT THE STAFF PREPARED AND WITH SIGNIFICANT OUTREACH.
AND ON DANTE, AS PART OF THAT PATHWAY, WE'VE INSTALLED NINE MILES OF SHARED USE PATHWAY ON OUR WAY TO 30 PLUS MILES OF WHAT THE PLAN IS.
SO THIS PLAN, THIS SHARED USE PATH IS PART OF THAT PLAN, AGAIN, TO MAKE ROADS SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS.
AND WHEN WE ACTIVATE THE SPACE, IT BECOMES SELF-POLICING AND FOR A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED.
AND ALSO THESE SOCIAL TRAILS TURN THESE SOCIAL TRAILS INTO SAFE ROUTES FOR PEDS AND BIKES.
SO THIS EXHIBIT THAT WE'VE GOT SHOWS YOU THE STORM DRAIN THAT'S PLANNED UNDER A PORTION OF THE SHARED USE PATH.
AND ALSO I WANNA POINT OUT, LET'S SEE, WHICH ONE IN THIS LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER IS WHAT WE CALL A, A DOME GRATE OR A DRAIN.
WHEN WE PUT THE SHARED USE PATH, THERE IS GONNA BE SOME DRAINAGE BECAUSE OF IT'S GONNA BE RAISED BEHIND.
WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS, SO THE EXISTING PAVEMENT EDGE, WE'RE GONNA PUT A SIX INCH VERTICAL CURB AND GUTTER IN THERE.
IN SOME LOCATIONS WE'VE GOT AN AREA WHERE THERE'LL BE A BUFFER.
THIS AREA ALSO WILL BE AN AREA WHERE WE CAN PUT SOME OF THE MAILBOXES THAT NEED TO BE RELOCATED.
AND ALSO ON THE BACKSIDE, BECAUSE THE SHARED USE PATH COULD BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN SOME OF THE LOTS, WE'RE GONNA BE INSTALLING SOME OF THESE DRAINS TO ALSO DRAIN SOME OF THE LOTS.
SO, UM, I HAD MENTIONED THAT THE SHARED ALONG WITH THE SHARED USE PATH, WE'LL BE INSTALLING CONDUIT.
WE'RE GONNA INSTALL INCH AND A HALF CONDUIT WITH THE COUNCIL APPROVING, UM, MOVING AHEAD OR LOOKING TO MOVE AHEAD WITH WIFI.
THIS WILL MINIMIZE THE IMPACT TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'RE GONNA PUT POLE BOXES ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROADWAY AND THAT'LL HELP WITH THE FUTURE PLANS.
I WANTED TO SHOW, POINT OUT THIS SLIDE.
UM, THE CHOICE TO, UH, CROSS THE ROAD AND START ON THE WEST SIDE AND MOVE TO THE EAST SIDE WAS DRIVEN BY MANY THINGS.
AND I WANNA POINT OUT, WE WANTED TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTS ON, ON DANTE AND THROUGH NOT HAVING TO REQUEST PERMANENT EASEMENTS.
AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE THE ROADWAY IS APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND IT VARIES.
SO THE EXISTING PAVED ROADWAY MEANDERS WITHIN THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WE WOULD, WE ALSO CHOSE THE ROAD, THE ROUTE OF THE SHARED USE PATH TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS.
BUT THE CROSSING IS ALSO A TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE THAT HELPS SLOW DOWN.
AND I MENTIONED ON THAT FIRST SLIDE THAT WE'VE GOT SPEED TABLES OR SPEED HUMPS BEFORE AND AFTER THAT CROSSING.
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SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN BEFORE THEY GET TO THAT PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.I WANTED TO TOUCH ON DRAINAGE.
UM, THERE'S SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS ON THE DRAINAGE SITUATION.
I KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN FLOODING IN THE PAST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THE EXHIBIT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE SHOWS WHAT THE FLOOD CON FLOODING CONDITIONS WERE BEFORE THE CITY DID SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
AND ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU SEE THE RIGHT PIPES THAT WERE INSTALLED IN 2021.
SO RIGHT BEFORE, OH, LET ME GO BACK.
SO LET ME POINT OUT, SO THIS IS THUNDER MOUNTAIN RIGHT HERE.
SO ON THIS ONE ON DANTE'S RIGHT HERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WAS FLOODING IN THIS AREA THAT WOULD CROSS AND COME DOWN ON DANTE.
AND WITH THE NEW IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE PUT IN, THERE'S NO BLUE HERE SHOWN, BUT YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT TO THE EAST, THIS SIGNIFICANT WASH REMAINS.
WE HAVEN'T, UM, UH, THAT HASN'T BEEN A PROJECT YET THAT THE CITY HAS TAKEN ON.
SO THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS THE NEXT PICTURE.
THIS IS 2018 WHERE THIS WAS A SINGLE, UH, 48 INCH PIPE THAT CARRIED THE FLOWS.
AND AFTER OUR IMPROVEMENTS YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, HEAD WALL AND THERE'S A, ACTUALLY A DROP STRUCTURE INTO TWO 60 INCH PIPES.
SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO THE AREA FOR DRAINAGE.
SO WE RECEIVED SIX BIDS FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND THE LOW BID BY SUMMIT CONSTRUCTION, UNFORTUNATELY WAS NOT A COMPLETE SUBMITTAL.
AND SO, UM, WE DISCUSSED IT WITH SUMMIT AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH PRONGHORN, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ONLY, UM, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT LOW BID AND THE SECOND LOW BID.
AND SO WE'RE ASKING, UH, COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL OF PRONGHORN, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT A LOT OF THE BIDS WERE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ARE LOOKING, UH, IF COUNSEL GIVES US THE GO AHEAD AND APPROVAL, WILL GIVE NOTICE TO PROCEED HERE AT THE END OF THE MONTH, BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN MAY.
AND, UH, COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION BY THE END OF THE YEAR IS OUR GOAL.
I DO WANNA TOUCH ON JUST REAL BRIEFLY, THE BUDGET.
WE'RE, UM, HEADING INTO A NEW FISCAL YEAR.
WE HAD SOME MONEY SET ASIDE THIS FISCAL YEAR AND WE GOT A BIT OF A LATE START.
WE DID SOME SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY OUTREACH, SO THAT DELAYED US A LITTLE BIT.
AND SO SOME OF THE MONIES, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SPEND ALL THE MONIES I ANTICIPATE THIS FISCAL YEAR.
AND SO WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS IN FY 26.
I I HAD A LOT OF FACTS AND I TRIED TO SLOW IT DOWN, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR GETTING BOGGED DOWN MORE THAN USUAL.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS SIDE, PETE? YEP.
I WAS WONDERING MAYBE AS MUCH AS A REMINDER EDIFICATION FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS, AS US, CAN YOU KIND OF BRIEFLY GO BACK THROUGH AND GIVE US YOUR TOP REASONS WHY AND DANTE WAS CHOSEN OVER CONCORD OR HARMONY? SO IT IS A BUS ROUTE AND THERE IS SOME, SOME SPEEDING THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT WHEN WE DID OUR OUTREACH THAT IT IS THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE.
AND WHAT WE, WE FIND IS IT'S DIFFICULT TO ASK PEOPLE TO, IF THAT'S THE MAIN NORTH SOUTH ROUTE THAT PEOPLE TAKE TO GET TO THE BUS STOPS AND THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ON 89 A, IT'S HARD TO GET THEM TO GO SIDEWAYS ONTO A DIFFERENT ROAD AND COME BACK.
UM, SOCIAL TRAILS ARE THE SHORTAGE DISTANCE FROM A TO B.
UM, ANDY DID YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? I WAS JUST GONNA THROW OUT THAT THERE WAS ALSO COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR THAT ALIGNMENT AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, I SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON MY BIKE IN THIS AREA AND I, I REMAIN, I IMPRESSED PROBABLY ISN'T THE RIGHT WORD OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT CHOOSE TO WALK IN A DANTE.
IT'S JUST, IF IT'S, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SAFE.
ANOTHER QUESTION, SANDY, I WANTED TO ASK YOU AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF MORE OF A BACKGROUND QUESTION, IS, UH, WHAT THE FUTURE VISION, HOW, HOW WOULD AN SUP AND DANTE CONNECT AND WHAT'S ON MY MIND IS THAT NEW SUP THAT'S GOING ON THE HOUSING PROJECT OVER THERE BY THE FIREHOUSE MM-HMM
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WHAT'S THE FUTURE VISION FOR CONNECTING THAT SEGMENT OVER STRAIGHT, OVER DOWN CANTAL MELODY TO, IT'S NOT CANNIBAL, IT'S CANTAL
DO YOU WANT ME TO
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR, IT WILL LEAVE THE, UM, NAVAJO LOFTS.
ON THE EAST SIDE AND RUN ALONG, UH, OH, I THINK IT COMES RIGHT OUT AT KENVILLE.
AND THEN EVENTUALLY GET TO ANTE AND THEN IT, IT TRAVELS ALONG TRANQUIL.
AND, AND THEN CONTINUES TO THE EAST FROM THERE.
AND THEN LAST QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU, SANDY, IS QUESTION THAT I ASKED A PREVIOUS ITEM HERE TONIGHT.
WE'VE DONE A FEW OF THESE NOW.
WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED ABOUT SORT OF DESIGN CONSTRUCTION OF THESE SUVS THAT MAYBE WE PUT IN THIS PROJECT OR WE'LL GO FORWARD THINKING ABOUT THE NEXT ONES? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, AND I'M GONNA ASK JONATHAN 'CAUSE HE'S OUR, LET ME ADD A COUPLE AND THEN YOU CHANCE CHIME AHEAD.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE ON THIS PROJECT IS SIGNIFICANT OUTREACH.
AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT'S SUPER IMPORTANT.
THERE'S SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS OF WHAT THE PROJECT IS OR WHAT THE IMPACT IS.
SO THAT'S BEEN SUPER SUCCESSFUL FOR US TO HELP, UM, PUT THE RESIDENTS AT EASE.
AND, UM, OUR PROPERTY SURVEY ALSO, A LOT, LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THEIR PROPERTY LINES ARE.
SO A LOT OF OUR OUTREACH FOLLOWS A SURVEY WHERE THEY PUT A PIN OR A FLAG.
WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT BETTER AT OUR SPEED TABLES.
I DON'T, SOME OF OUR SPEED TABLES, WE DID SOME LEARNING ON, I'LL SAY IT THAT WAY,
SO OUR PLANS ARE GETTING MUCH TIGHTER.
SO WE RUN INTO UTILITIES THAT DON'T HAVE THE COVER, UM, THAT THEY SAY THEY DO.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THREE FOOT OF COVER, BUT EVERYONE, UM, HITS ROCK AND THEN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WE FIND 'EM AT A FOOT DEEPER.
SO, SO WE'VE GOT THAT IN OUR, SO WE'RE, WE'RE BETTER AT MINIMIZING, I WON'T SAY ELIMINATING, MINIMIZING OUR CHANGE ORDERS AND OUR PLANS ARE GETTING MUCH TIGHTER.
ANYTHING TO ADD? AND YEAH, TO THAT MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL, UM, PART OF THAT IS LIKE SHE MENTIONED THE OUTREACH THAT'S CRITICAL.
UM, USUALLY THAT'S STARTING ONE TO TWO YEARS PRIOR TO US ACTUALLY STARTING THE PROJECT.
AT THIS POINT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, MOST OF ARE STARTING TO BE HERE LONG ENOUGH TO WHERE WE CAN START A PROJECT THAT EARLY AND SEE IT THROUGH TO COMPLETION.
A BIG CHANGE IN MY PERSPECTIVE OF LESSONS LEARNED.
I'M, I FIXATE ON CONCRETE AND ASPHALT, LET'S BUILD A PROJECT, BUT THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO IT.
UH, BUT IN THE PROJECT ITSELF, NOW THAT I'VE WORKED ON THREE TO FOUR, UH, PROJECTS, SHARED USE PATHS, I CAN START SEEING NOW A PATTERN OF WHAT CAN POTENTIALLY BE NAIL BITERS, WHAT ARE GONNA BE PROBLEMS FORESEEABLE.
SO I CAN KIND OF START MAYBE STARTING TO PLAY MORE OFFENSE INSTEAD OF DEFENSE.
I CAN START TO, YOU KNOW, MITIGATE THOSE ISSUES AND, YOU KNOW, THE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE SPECIFICATIONS, STUFF LIKE THAT, WE CAN START REPEATING THOSE FORMULAS THAT WORK.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE JUST STARTING TO GET BETTER.
A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I NOTICED.
ONE I DIDN'T NOTICE, SANDY UNTIL YOU MENTIONED IT, BURYING CONCRETE, UH, CONDUIT ALONG THE ROUTE.
THERE WAS A GREAT, GREAT FORETHOUGHT FOR FORSIGHT TO THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE.
UM, ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT I THINK ABOUT OFTEN AS I RIDE ON THESE THINGS IS OUR DECISION MAKING ABOUT ROLLED VERSUS SQUARE CURBING.
UH, AND THEN ON DANTE, I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT IT 'CAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF DRIVEWAY ACCESSES, SO WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF ROLLED SECTIONS.
BUT THE USE OF, IF, IF WE FIND A LONGER SECTION WITHOUT DRIVEWAYS IN IT, USING THE SQUARE CURBING CAN BE A PROBLEM FOR FOLKS LIKE ME WHO WANTED TO GET OFF THE SUP AND GET OUTTA THE WAY OF THE PS OR PEOPLE IN THEIR WITH STROLLERS.
AND SO JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT A THOUGHT GOING FORWARD ABOUT WHEN, HOW, AND WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, UM, THE THE CURB TYPE.
AND THEN, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I'LL HAVE FOR YOU ON THE BUDGET, UH, SESSIONS GOING FORWARD AS WE'RE BUILDING THESE THINGS NOW, I'M ASSUMING IT'S HAVING AN IMPACT ON OUR MAINTENANCE, IT'S HITTING ANOTHER BUDGET SOMEWHERE.
AND I'D BE VERY INTERESTED TO KNOW EXACTLY
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UH, HOW WE LOOK, HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH PARTICULAR REFERENCE TO THE THUNDER MOUNTAIN PATHWAY DOWN AT COFFEE POT, WHERE FOR SOME REASON THERE'S LOTS OF GUM THAT LOVES TO BE ON THAT SECTION AND I'M SURE THAT THAT IMPACTS OUR, OUR, UH, MAINTENANCE BUDGET AS WELL.BUT I THINK IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY, THESE ARE VERY VISIBLE PROJECTS THAT ARE VERY BENEFICIAL AND WHEN THEY START TO LOOK BAD, WHETHER IT'S EITHER LOOSE ROCKS OR THE GUM THAT'S ON THE SIDEWALK, WE, WE NEED TO BE TAKING CARE OF 'EM.
UM, IN THE PACKET IT SAYS, EMERGENCY RESPONSE PERSONNEL FROM BOTH SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT SUPPORT THE PROJECT AND DO NOT BELIEVE THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL IMPEDE THEIR EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
WERE THERE ANY MORE SPECIFIC COMMENTS IN ADDITION TO THAT THAT YOU CAN ADD? I'VE MET WITH, UM, CHIEF FOLEY AND ALSO KIRK RIDDEL, WHO'S THE FIRE MARSHAL MM-HMM
AND SO WE'VE GONE OVER THE PLANS AND, UM, TALKED ABOUT ALSO THIS IS ZONE FOUR FOR EVACUATION ZONE THAT THESE SPEED HUMPS AND SPEED TABLES WILL NOT IMPACT, UM, THE EVACUATION IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.
AND, UM, THE, THE SPEED YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, THE APPROACH TO THE RAISED, UM, CROSSWALK, THE MIDBLOCK CROSSING WILL BE, ITS IN ITSELF A SPEED TABLE, BUT YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT THERE WOULD BE A SPEED TABLE ON EITHER SIDE OF IT, UM, UH, APPROACHING, UH, AS A, UH, TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE.
HOWEVER, IN THE PACKET I READ IT AS, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M, I'M SURE I HAVE THIS WRONG, BUT IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN TO ME, IT SAID THAT YOU'RE GOING WITH THE OPTION AND IT ONLY INCLUDES ONE SPEED TABLE.
SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? YEAH, ORIGINALLY I FELT THAT PUTTING THREE SPEED TABLES IN THIS COMMUNITY WOULD BE A BIG IMPACT AND WE COULD ALWAYS ADD THE THIRD TABLE IF THERE WAS, UM, NOT, UM, AN IMPACT TO THE SPEED.
AND WE WOULD WATCH HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TRAFFIC.
BUT, UM, BETWEEN THE TIME I COMPLETED THIS, THAT SUBMITTAL AND I, WE'VE MET WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, UM, MY FEELING NOW AND THERE'S ROOM WITHIN THE BUDGET OF TAKING SOME OTHER THINGS OUT AND ADDING THAT IN, UM, WE CAN, UH, ACCOMMODATE IT WITHIN THE COSTS THAT WE'RE REQUESTING.
WE'RE HEARING SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ABOUT SPEEDING.
SO, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT ANYONE COMPLAINING ABOUT SPEED TABLES.
UH, WHEN WE'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE, THEY WOULD LOVE THAT AND MORE.
SO I HAVE TO CLARIFY, ANDY, PLEASE,
SO IF SANDY IS REQUESTING THAT WE ADD THE SECOND SPEED HUMP, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE THAT REQUEST TO COUNSEL AND MAKE THAT CHANGE AT THIS TIME.
NOW, I WOULD ALSO CLARIFY THAT ALL THREE OF THESE, THE TWO SPEED HUMPS AS WELL AS THE SPEED TABLE AT THE CROSSING ARE SHOWN ON THE PLAN SO THAT THIS IS NOT A NEW ELEMENT THAT'S NOT ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE DESIGN.
I SAW THAT THEY WERE SHOWN ON THE PLAN.
TO THE, UM, TO THE OLD BID ALTERNATIVES.
SAID THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, ONE.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
AND I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE A, A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF EXACTLY HOW MANY ARE GOING IN BE, YOU KNOW, AS WE TAKE ACTION ON THIS TONIGHT.
SO WILL WE HAVE TO CHANGE LANGUAGE, KURT, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS IN OR, YES.
SO BUT SANDY, YOU ARE REQUESTING THE SPEED TABLE THAT IS THE MIDBLOCK CROSSING AND TWO SPEED HUMPS ONE ON EITHER SIDE AS YOU APPROACH, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
SO AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT IN THE MO IN A MOTION.
UM, AND THE SIGNAGE PRIOR TO THE SPEED HUMPS THAT ARE PRIOR TO THE SPEED TABLE, CAN YOU CLARIFY US WHAT THAT SIGNAGE WOULD BE PLEASE? SO, SIGNAGE AND STRIPING, SO IT WE'LL NOTIFY AND THERE WAS SOME CONCERN THAT THE CROSSING IS ON A BEND, BUT WE LOOKED AT THE STOPPING SITE DISTANCE ALONG WITH THE CONSULTANT AND THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH ROOM THAT, UM, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PED CROSSING IS.
SO, I APOLOGIZE, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION ONE MORE TIME?
YEAH, SO THERE WILL BE SIGNAGE AND STRIPING AS WELL AS POTENTIALLY A BLADE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY A BLADE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.
THE, THE SIGNAGE THOUGH, BEFORE THE SPEED HUMPS, ROUGHLY HOW MANY FEET
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DISTANCE WOULD THAT BE? ROUGHLY? 50 50, ISN'T IT 50 FEET? IT, THAT ONE SAYS 50 AND SPEED.YEAH, SO ABOUT 50 FEET, 24 FEET.
SO THERE'LL BE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC CALMING TO GET TO THAT, THE POINT OF THE MIDBLOCK CROSSING.
BECAUSE I I, BECAUSE I DID HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE MIDBLOCK CROSSING AND THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO GET THIS OUT THERE.
SO, BUT THAT YOU'RE ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS.
KATHY, WHEN SHE'S DONE, WHEN DID YOU WANNA TAG ONTO THAT? THE SPEED TABLE SPECIFICALLY? OKAY.
SO SPEED BUMP, TABLE SPEED BUMP.
THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT ANYWHERE ELSE IN TOWN, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THUNDER MOUNTAIN HAS IT, IT'S GOT A NUMBER.
UH, WELL, I, I WOULD, I WOULD FIRST ANSWER THAT THAT IS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION FOR GUIDELINES FOR SPEED TABLES IS TO HAVE SPEED HUMPS IN ADVANCE OF THEM.
THIS IS ALL ABOUT GETTING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SPEED TO WHERE WE WANT TO GET IT TO.
I GUESS MY, MAYBE MY QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE DISTANCE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TABLE AND THE HUMPS? I ALMOST GOT A VISUAL PICTURE THAT IT'S GONNA BE THREE THINGS RIGHT IN A ROW, BUT MAYBE THAT'S A BAD PICTURE.
SO THE CROSSING IS HERE AND THE SPEED BUMP IS BACK HERE.
AND THEN THE OTHER SPEED BUMP IS UP HERE, SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THOSE ARE A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM INTERSECTIONS AND THEY CAN'T BE ON SLOPES.
AND SO WE'RE MEETING ALL THAT CRI ENGINEERING CRITERIA FOR THE SEPARATION.
THEY'RE ALL CALMING, UH, FEATURES.
AND, UM, MY LAST QUESTION I THINK IS FOR NOW ANYWAY, IS THE, IF THERE WERE GOING TO BE ANY DESIGN CHANGES TO THIS THAT WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL CORRECT.
SUCH AS IF THE PLACEMENT OF A MAJOR FEATURE LIKE A SPEED, UH, OR MIDBLOCK CROSSING WAS GOING TO CHANGE, OR IF THE, UH, SIDE OF THE ROAD FOR WHATEVER REASON, IF YOU COME ACROSS SOMETHING MM-HMM
THAT WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL, CORRECT? CORRECT.
WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND, AND I THINK THE KEY JUST, JUST TO POINT OUT, IS A MAJOR CHANGE MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, FOR ANY MINOR CHANGES THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE TAKEN CARE OF AT A STAFF LEVEL, OF COURSE THOSE TYPICALLY WOULDN'T.
BUT WE'RE, ANNETTE AND I ARE SENSITIVE TO CHANGES THAT WE THINK COUNSEL WOULD BE, UH, INTERESTED IN KNOWING ABOUT AND WE WILL CERTAINLY COMMUNICATE THAT WITH COUNSEL IF THAT HAPPENS.
OKAY, BRIAN, THANK YOU, MAYOR.
WHAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT IS, WOULD BE RELEVANT FOR THIS PROJECT? I MEAN, AS, DO YOU THINK THERE'S A RISK OF THAT, OF A MAJOR CHANGE ORDER? WELL, IF WE HADN'T ALREADY INCLUDED THE SPEED HUMPS, ADDING ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE A MAJOR CHANGE THAT I THINK COUNSEL WOULD BE INTERESTED IN.
AND SPEED, BUMP SPEED, HUMP SPEED, TABLE SPEED, WHATEVER, LIKE GIMME SOMETHING TO COMPARE TO.
SO LIKE THE NEWER SPEED, WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM ON DRY CREEK ROAD.
WHAT ARE THOSE? SO THOSE ARE SPEED BUMPS.
SO IT'S A TABLE WHEN IT'S 10 FOOT ACROSS AND IT'S A CROSSWALK AND A SPEED BUMP IS THE SAME SHORTER DESIGN, BUT THE WIDTH IS SO WIDE WIDTH IS ONLY HOW WIDE? IT VARIES.
I LIKE THE ONES ON DRY CREEK ROAD.
WE'RE GETTING BETTER AT SPEED.
SO, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL HAS SEEN A NUMBER OF EMAILS FROM THE PUBLIC WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT, AND OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE DONE TREMENDOUS OUTREACH, BUT THERE ARE STILL QUESTIONS AND SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS I THINK HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.
SOME OF THE CONCERNS WERE PERHAPS UNFOUNDED AND EXPLANATIONS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED, BUT DO YOU, UH, ARE, ARE THERE STILL ANY SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY CONCERNS THAT, YOU KNOW, REQUIRE ADDRESSING? AND, AND I ASSUME IF THERE ARE, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT, BUT JUST FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT STILL SEEMS LIKE IT'S AN OPEN ISSUE TONIGHT? I'M NOT SEEING ANY OPEN ISSUES, BUT ONE THING I FORGOT TO TOUCH ON IN MY PRESENTATION WAS THE WIDTH OF THE STREET AND THAT IT'S THE MAJOR CONCERN TO THE COMMUNITY.
THE, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE TALKED TO ME EVEN TONIGHT.
UM, THE EXISTING PAVEMENT WIDTH IS 24 FEET, 12 FOOT LANES AND IT WILL REMAIN, UM, ON THIS EXHIBIT HERE.
UM, IT GONNA REMAIN 24 FEET FROM EDGE OF PAVEMENT TO FACE OF CURB.
SO, UM, BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON I HAVE BUDGET ON MY MIND LATELY, UM, LIKE A BIG BOOK FULL OF BUDGET ON MY MIND, I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE WITH
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THE BUDGET.SO FIRST OF ALL, THIS BUDGET INCLUDES THE TWO ADDITIONAL SPEED BUMPS THAT YOU'VE DECIDED THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD ON EITHER SIDE OF THE TABLE, IS THAT CORRECT? SO WE'VE REQUESTED APPROXIMATELY 2.5 MILLION FOR FY 26.
AND WE'RE, UM, LET ME GO TO THE SLIDE AND, UM, THE BID ALTERNATIVE IS JUST A LITTLE OVER 3 MILLION THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AND WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO, UM, GET THIS PROJECT STARTED.
AND SO THAT FY 26, THE 2.5 IS SUFFICIENT, SO WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.
SO, SO THE LARGE NUMBER, THE 3 MILLION HAS EVERYTHING IN IT THAT YOU THINK YOU NEED NOW AND THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD TO IT NOT KNOWING WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW? CORRECT.
SO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE BUDGET THE 1.4 MORE OR LESS, AND WHEN WE GO BACK THROUGH THE BUDGET IN A WEEK OR SO, UH, YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 2.5 FOR THIS PROJECT, WHICH YOU'RE HOPING THAT WILL BE APPROVED FOR THE 26TH BUDGET IN ORDER FOR YOU TO COMPLETE THIS.
'CAUSE WE'RE ONLY, I'M HOPING TO SPEND MAYBE A HALF A MILLION THIS FISCAL YEAR AND I'M GONNA DO MY BEST TO DO THAT.
UM, SO THAT WAY WELL, IT'S JUST A ROLLOVER THOUGH, THEN YOU'RE JUST TAKING THE OTHER MONIES AND MOVING IT TO FISCAL YEAR 26 AND THEN TOP OF THAT YOU'RE, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR ANOTHER 2.5 MORE OR LESS IN 26.
AM I UNDERSTANDING? I'M JUST LOOKING AT YOUR LITTLE AMOUNT BUDGETED BOX.
SO I THINK ONE THING TO CLARIFY IS, UM, THERE'S A CONSIDERATION FOR BUDGET AND THEN THERE'S A CONSIDERATION FOR WHAT THE CONTRACT AMOUNT IS DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
AND WE WILL HAVE TO CLARIFY THAT IF THE MOTION INCLUDES THE ADDITIONAL SPEED HUMP, WE'LL NEED TO ADD TO THAT 3.018.
BUT GOING BACK TO YOUR BUDGET POINT THERE, THERE IS MORE BUDGETED BETWEEN FY 25 AND 26 AND THAT VARIANCE BETWEEN THAT AND THE CONTRACT AMOUNT HAS TO DO WITH THE CARRYOVER.
AND I, AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT, BUT THAT WAS WHY I WAS ASKING WHETHER OR NOT THE THREE LITTLE OVER 3 MILLION INCLUDES THE TWO SPEED BUMPS THAT WERE DESIRED.
AND NOW I'M KIND OF THINK I'M HEARING NO, WELL, I I THINK SANDY'S ANSWER WAS TO THE POINT OF BUDGET.
SO THE SPEED HUMP, INCLUDING THAT IS WITHIN OUR BUDGET, BUT THE CONTRACT AMOUNT DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT SECOND SPEED HUMP.
SO WE'LL NEED TO ADD THAT WITH THE MOTION.
IF, IF COUNSEL WANTS, DO YOU, WHAT IS THE FIGURE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDED TO THAT 14,000? YEAH.
WELL, YEAH, THEY'RE ONE PUMP OR TWO, THEY'RE VERY COMPLICATED TO BUILD.
I I I JUST WANNA GET CLARITY ON WHAT IT IS WE'RE SPENDING, WHAT WE'RE SPENDING IT ON, WHETHER OR NOT ALL THE MONIES WERE HERE AND WHAT I HEARD WAS NO, THEY'RE NOT.
AND WE JUST GOT ANOTHER NUMBER THAT WE WOULD INCLUDE IN THE MOTION.
SO YES, JUST TO REITERATE AGAIN, WHAT WE'VE BUDGETED IN FY 25 AND 26 IS WILL FULLY COVER, IT'S SUFFICIENT, BUT THE AMOUNT HERE ON THE CONTRACT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY VOTING ON TODAY, RIGHT, IS NOT THE CORRECT NUMBER AT THIS MOMENT.
NOT IF COUNSEL APPROVES OF THE SECOND SPEED HUMP.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AND WHERE, WHAT WE NEED.
VICE MAYOR, YOU STILL WITH US? I AM, YEAH.
SO WHAT WOULD WE BE, UH, TRYING TO ADD THE SECOND SPEED BUMP INTO THE CONTRACT IF WE APPROVE IT TONIGHT? YEP.
FOR THAT, OR ARE YOU GONNA COME BACK WITH AN ADDITIONAL ASK? NO, IT'S GONNA ADD, WE'RE GONNA ADD, YOU KNOW WHAT IT COSTS, YOU'RE GONNA ADD IT? YEAH.
SO IT'S 14,000 THAT WE WOULD ADD FOR A TOTAL OF 3,032,684.
UH, CAN YOU REFRESH MY RECOLLECTION OF THE BENEFIT OF THE AUDIENCE AND THE COUNCIL, WHY YOU CHOSE TO BUILD TO, YOU KNOW, TO CROSS THE STREET AT A SPEED TABLE AND NOT AT AN INTERSECTION AT MID PARK? WHAT'S THAT MID SHE, SHE'S STAYING AT A MID BUCK.
YEAH, SO IT'S UM, DO YOU WANNA TOUCH ON THAT? GO AHEAD.
SO OUR CONSULTANT, IT'S ACTUALLY A, A TRAFFIC CALMING AND IT'S A SAFE LOCATION TO DO A PED CROSSING MIDBLOCK WITH A TABLE.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DONE AROUND
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THE NATION.WE'VE GOT IT, UM, IN OTHER LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT TOWN, LIKE SOLDIERS PASS DRY CREEK, UM, TO SHELBY.
THERE'S SHELBY, THERE'S QUITE A FEW CROSSINGS.
SO I MIGHT SAY IT A A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY THAT A SPEED TABLE IS A SAFER CROSSING THAN AN AT GRADE CROSSWALK, BUT A SPEED TABLE NEEDS TO BE AT A MID-BLOCK LOCATION BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THOSE VERTICAL DIFFERENCES, YOU CANNOT HAVE THAT, UM, TRANSITION OCCUR IN THE MIDDLE OF AN INTERSECTION.
OKAY, HOLLY, YOU GET, YOU GOT THAT.
AND, AND AGAIN, FOR THE BENEFIT OF, OF MYSELF, COUNSEL AND THE PUBLIC, WHY ARE WE CROSSING THE STREET AND NOT DOING THE SHARED USE PATH ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD? SO VICE MAYOR, I TOUCHED ON, EXCUSE ME, THERE'S A NUMBER OF, UM, LIMITING FACTORS LIKE THE MEANDERING PAVED ROADWAY WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND, UM, THE REQUIREMENT FOR ADDITIONAL PERMANENT EASEMENTS, THE IMPACT TO EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND ALSO IF WE STAYED ON ONE SIDE, LIKE IF WE STAYED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROADWAY AS ORIGINALLY WAS PLANNED WAY BACK IN THE DAY, THEN YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE YOUR STORM DRAIN CONVEY THE FLOW ACROSS TO THE WASH.
SO IT JUST, IT INCREASES THE PRICE OF THE PROJECT, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY.
I THINK, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, ALSO THERE WERE SOME GRADE DIFFERENTIAL ISSUES AT DRIVEWAYS THAT WERE PROBLEMATIC ON THAT UPPER SECTION AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT, UM, CAUSED THE NEED TO CHANGE TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO EXTEND AND YOU COULDN'T, AND YOU COULDN'T START ON THE OTHER SIDE AND GO ALL THE WAY UP, IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE SAME ISSUE.
SO IT'S, IT'S THAT SECTION, IT WOULD BE DOWN, DOWN INSTEAD OF YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT TO BUILD THE ROAD ON THE WEST SIDE OF ANDANTE ON THAT NORTHERN SECTION.
SO I, THE PUBLIC THAT YOU, WHEN YOU DID YOUR OUTREACH, SANDY AND TEAM, WHEN YOU EXPLAINED ALL OF THIS TO THE PUBLIC AND THEY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT ABOUT THE, AND TRUTHFULLY, WE HAVEN'T BEEN QUESTIONED ABOUT THE CROSSING UNTIL RECENTLY.
UM, SO IT HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE THAT REALLY HAS COME UP IN OUR ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS.
WHEN WE DID, UM, OUR OUTREACH DURING THE 60%, WHICH RAN FROM APPROXIMATELY JUNE, JULY THROUGH DECEMBER OF 2024, WE SENT OUT 50 SOME LETTERS AND WE MET INDIVIDUALLY WITH 18 TO 20 PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND THE CONCERN OF THE CROSSING NEVER CAME UP IN ANY MEETINGS THAT I CAN RECALL.
I MEAN, I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THAT THERE'S ONE PARTICULAR RESIDENT THAT HAD ISSUE WITH THE SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT WE HAD THE IMPROVEMENTS ON.
HOWEVER, UM, IT WOULD BE MORE NEGATIVELY IMPACTFUL TO MORE NEIGHBORS THAN THAN ONE IF WE PUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
AND I APP, I APPRECIATE THAT AND I, I HOPE THAT THE, THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE, ARE, UH, FOCUSED ON MINIMIZING THE IMPACT ON NEIGHBOR, ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY AND ON EASEMENTS AND ON DRAINAGE WOULD BE, UH, UNDERSTOOD AND APPRECIATED.
ANYTHING ELSE, SALLY? MA'AM, YOU GOOD? OKAY.
UH, SO I, MY QUESTIONS I WANNA TOUCH ON, UH, I DIDN'T WANT TO DROP AND TAKE ALONG ON THE, ON THE OTHER, UH, COUNSELORS, BUT SO ON THAT FLOW, WHAT YOU SAID, SANDY, IT WOULD CAUSE THE WATER TO FLOW ACROSS THE OTHER SIDE IF YOU DID THE, THE DESIGN DIFFERENTLY? YEAH.
SO THERE'S SIGNIFICANT DITCHES ON A SHEEN.
WELL, WE WOULD HAVE TO, UM, UNDERGROUND EVEN MORE THAN WE ARE NOW, UM, A CULVERT AND THEN CARRY THAT ACROSS TO THE, THE WASH THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE.
SO, SO IT WOULDN'T BE SHEENY ACROSS THE TOP OF THE ROADWAY? NO, BECAUSE THAT WOULD CAUSE ICING IN THE WINTERTIME.
UM, SO I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THIS UH, DISCUSSION WAS, UH, PUT TO THE POLICE CHIEF AND THE FIRE CHIEF AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC THAT THE FIRE CHIEF WASN'T AWARE OF THIS,
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SO, AND I UM, SENT AN EMAIL TO, UH, KIRK RIDDELL WHO IS THE MARSHAL, FIRE MARSHAL WITH SEDONA FIRE.HE'S THE ONE WE'RE WORKING WITH.
SO, AND I ASKED HIM IF HE, UM, HAD CHECKED IN WITH, UH, THE FIRE CHIEF ED, UM, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK, SO IT, THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF MISCOMMUNICATION THERE, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT UM, WHAT WE DO WHEN WE SUBMIT PLANS IS WE COORDINATE WITH KIRK RIDDELL WHO'S THE FIRE MARSHAL.
SO, AND BUT DIDN'T IT GO BEFORE THE PRIOR FIRE MARSHAL AS WELL? UM, PROBABLY DURING PREVIOUS PROCESSES BEFORE WE STARTED THIS IN 2021.
AND I THINK KIRK REELL IS AN ACTING FIRE MARSHAL, SO HE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN AWARE OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT UNTIL WE'VE BEEN UP TO SPEED ON IT.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM FOR THE LAST ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF IS WHAT HIS TITLE IS NOW IT WELL RIGHT.
THAT, THAT'S THE FIRE MARSHALS ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE GOT IT, UH, RECEIVED THE PROMOTION OR NOT, BUT I KNOW HE'S REALLY KNOWLEDGEABLE ON EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO YEAH, WE MEET WITH THEM ALL THE TIME.
MAYOR, WE HAVE QUARTERLY MEETINGS WITH UTILITIES THAT INCLUDES THE, THE FIRE, THEONA FIRE, SO THEY KNOW OF OUR PROJECTS AND, AND THEY'RE ONGOING.
SO, AND THAT'S ME FOUR TIMES A YEAR.
SO TO SAY THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS WOULD NOT BE, UH, AN ACCURATE QUESTION? NO.
UM, SO I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SPEED BUMPS, HUMPS, WHATEVER IN THE PROJECT IF WE APPROVE THAT AND YOU SAID WE CAN'T JUST LEAVE ONE OFF OF THE OTHER SO YOU DON'T HAVE A TOTAL OF THREE AND JUST HAVE TWO AND WAIT AND SEE, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE ITEM WAS, UM, UH, APPROVED IN THE BUDGET, YOU'D RATHER PUT 'EM ALL, ALL THREE IN AT THE SAME TIME? I GUESS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE EQUIPMENT THERE, IT'S, I WOULD PREFER TO PUT ALL THREE IN PER DESIGN.
IT'S, UM, SAFER BECAUSE THEN THAT SLOWS CARS DOWN BEFORE THEY GET TO THE PED CROSSING.
UM, BUT I WAS CONCERNED AGAIN ABOUT THE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT LIKE I SAID, I'VE, I'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WOULD OKAY.
VERY CONCERNED WITH THE SIGNATURE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING.
SO, UH, ALSO I'VE RECEIVED A COMMENT ABOUT MOVING PART OF THE PROJECT OVER TO CONCORD AND YET I UNDERSTAND JUST LAST WEEK THERE WAS A NEAR, NEAR SERIOUS ACCIDENT.
CAN YOU JUST ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE THIS INDIVIDUAL THOUGHT CONCORD WAS A MUCH SAFER ROAD AND CARS TRAVEL LESS, UH, FAST.
YEAH, IT GOES BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT UM, SOCIAL TRAILS TAKE THE SHORTAGE DISTANCE FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND WITH THE BUS STOPS AND THE BUSINESSES DOWN ON 89 A, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET, UM, PEOPLE, MYSELF INCLUDED, TO JOG OUT OF THE WAY TO GO TO A SIDE ROAD.
AND, UM, ONE OF THE FACTS THAT I FORGOT TO SHARE IS THE RACE CROSSWALKS, UM, CAN REDUCE PEDESTRIAN CRASHES BY 45%.
SO BACK TO WHAT ANDY HAD SHARED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ACT, GRADE AND A RAISED CROSSWALK.
IT'S HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON SAFETY.
SO WHY DON'T WE GO TO THE PUBLIC.
WE'LL OPEN THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING TO THE PUBLIC.
WE'LL START WITH MR. UH, DWAYNE GREGORY.
WE FOLLOWED BY TERRY GREGORY, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES IN WHICH TO SPEAK.
THE, UH, TIME IS ON THE CLOCK.
YOU START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENT.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.
I RESIDE AT 500 A DANTE DRIVE, AND I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA FOR 27 YEARS.
I'LL START OUT BY I DEFINITELY IN, IN SUPPORT OF THE ADANTE SIDEWALK.
AND LIKE SANDY SAID, IT'S BEEN IN PROGRESS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS NOW, IT'S COME TO FRUITION.
BUT, UH, WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, THE CURRENT AND FINAL DESIGN HAS NOT BEEN MADE TRANSPARENT TO THE RESIDENTS THAT RESIDE ON A DANTE DRIVE.
THE FINAL DESIGN WAS MADE AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS REVIEW ONLY A FEW WEEKS AGO.
AN INADEQUATE PERIOD FOR MEANINGFUL PUBLIC INPUT.
HENCE, I REQUEST A PAUSE IN THE DESIGN.
SIGNIFICANT CHANGES ARE NOW DISCLOSED THAT RESULT IN MANY RESIDENTS NOW TAKING
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ISSUE WITH THE DESIGN.THE FOUR MAIN AREAS ARE PUBLIC SAFETY, FLOODING THE SIZE OF THE SUP AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE BRIEF STATEMENTS ON EACH AND WOULD ELABORATE IF TIME WOULD PERMIT CONCERN.
PUBLIC SAFETY IS COMPROMISED DUE TO THE TWO BUSIEST STREETS CROSSING, CROSSING THAT'S ON A DANTE DRIVE AND MULE DEER.
A SAFER ALTERNATIVE IS RELOCATING THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS TO LX AND MELODY THAT HAS THE LEAST TRAFFIC.
AND WHERE THERE ARE STOP SIGNS AND ENSURE THE SAFETY AND BETTER VISIBILITY.
SECOND CONCERN, FLOOD DRAINAGE.
MASSIVE SUP CONCRETE IMPERVIOUS SERVICE WILL INCREASE FLOODING.
THE WIDTH AND THE SIZE OF THE ROAD IS CRITICAL BECAUSE IT WILL ENCROACH AND ON EASEMENTS OF PRIVATE PROPERTIES.
THE WIDTH REDUCTION, IF IT WAS REDUCED, MAY ALSO ACHIEVE A COST REDUCTION.
ADDRESSING OR REDUCING THE WIDTH FROM 10 TO 12 FEET TO FIVE TO SIX FEET MAY LOWER THE RISK OF FLOODING BY 50% OR MORE.
NUMBER FOUR IS A ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
SIGNIFICANT VEGETATION AND TREES WILL BE REMOVED.
ESTIMATED OVER 30 TREES WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED OR MORE.
THE DESIGN SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE FOR A MINIMAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ON A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
THESE CHANGES IF IMPLEMENTED, WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY ADDRESS RESIDENTS CONCERN FOR IMPROVEMENT.
TERRY GREGORY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MAUREEN FAUCET.
MY NAME IS TERRY GREGORY, AND I'M A IT'S OKAY.
UM, MY NAME IS TERRY GREGORY AND I RESIDE.
UM, I'M ALSO A SEDONA RESIDENT.
I'D LIKE TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR HEARING MY CONCERNS REGARDING THE CURRENT DESIGN OF THE ANTE SHARED PATH.
UH, SUP, MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE SEP MEETINGS WITH THE CITY FOR OVER THE PAST YEAR, DISCUSSING UNIQUE CHALLENGES OF BUILDING A SIDEWALK ON A DANTE DRIVE.
A YEAR AGO APRIL, WE DISCUSSED MANY OF OUR CONCERNS WITH PUBLIC WORKS ONLY TO BE IGNORED AND DISMISSED.
OUR 30 PLUS YEARS OF WORKING IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY GIVES US CREDIBLE KNOWLEDGE AS WELL AS A STRONG REPUTATION FOR SERVING THIS COMMUNITY.
THE EFFORTS OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY CAMPAIGN HAS PAID OFF THE RECENT RE RETRACTION THAT THE ADANTE DRIVE WILL NOT BE NARROWED AND MORE CONSIDERATION IS, UM, GIVEN, UM, TO SLOWING TRAFFIC FOR, FOR BETTER SAFETY EFFORTS.
WE HAD REQUESTED THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL BE BROUGHT IN ON THE INITIAL DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT A YEAR AGO, APRIL.
THE FIRE HEAD MARSHAL'S OFFICE ONLY RECENTLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THE SEP PROJECT, UH, EXISTING ONLY THREE WEEKS AGO.
AND HE TOLD ME THAT ON THE PHONE, THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
UM, THE FIRE MARSHAL'S RESPONSE WAS THE ROADWAY WOULD NOT BE NARROWED.
AND ON THAT BASIS ALONE, THE PROJECT SHOULD BE PAUSED FOR REDESIGN.
BUT THERE ARE MORE CONCERNING PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES IN THIS FLAW DESIGN, UNSAFE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, UM, A DANTE JUST SOUTH OF LYRIC AND MUL DEER, WHICH WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, THE SPEED TABLE AS WELL AS MUL DEER, BOTH CROSSINGS DO NOT MEET CCR POLICY.
1336, UH, FIRE AL CODE, THE INADEQUATE.
UH, THE CURRENT STORM DRAINAGE INCLUDES ONLY SIX TWO FOOT DRAINS, UH, ON ADANTE DRIVE, WHICH IS INSUFFICIENT TO PROTECT RESIDENTS PROPERTIES.
WHILE THE CITY HAS DOWNGRADED THE FLOODPLAIN CLASSIFICATION DURING THE ONGOING DROUGHT, ALLOWING QUICKER, LESS EXPENSIVE PROJECT APPROVALS, OUR COMMUNITY REMAINS VULNERABLE.
THERE HAS BEEN NO UPSTREAM DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS FROM THUNDER MOUNTAIN, THE MOUNTAIN, NOT THUNDER MOUNTAIN ROAD, OR THE UPPER ADANTE DRIVE, UM, THAT WOULD JUSTIFY DECLASSIFYING ADANTE DRIVE, UM,
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BELOW THUNDER MOUNTAIN ROAD.THE CITY OFFICIALS HAVE STATED, UH, REPEATEDLY IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT THEY ARE ONLY REQUIRED TO BUILD A SIDEWALK, UH, THAT'S MEETING A TWO YEAR FLOOD STANDARD.
THESE STATEMENTS, UH, SEEM TO ALIGN WITH THE CURRENT, UH, SUV'S, INADEQUATE DESIGN OF THE STORM WATER DRAINAGE.
WE URGED THE CITY COUNCIL TO PAUSE THIS PROJECT AND REQUEST A REDESIGN BY AN INDEPENDENT ENGINEERING FIRM.
THE THE CURRENT FINAL PLAN IS ONLY MADE PUBLIC.
MAUREEN FETT WILL BE FOLLOWED BY KARA VAN GRO.
KARA, JUST BRING THE MIC DOWN, UH, TO YOUR MOUTH.
IS THAT BETTER? THAT'S PERFECT.
TO START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
AND, UM, I NEED TO PREFACE WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY BY GIVING A, UH, PARAGRAPH OR SHORT PARAGRAPH OF A COURT ORDER BY THE JUDGE OF THE SUPREME COURT IN ARIZONA, UM, WHICH GIVES ME ALL ESTATE, RIGHT TITLE, INTEREST AND OR CLAIM IN OR TO THE REAL PROPERTY OR ANY PART OF THE REAL PROPERTY, EITHER LEGAL OR EQUITABLE PRESENT OR FUTURE VESTED OR CONTINGENT.
AND WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE SEWER, THE WATER, AND THE GAS LINE BREAK ALONG THAT DITCH? WHO IS GOING TO REPAIR IT? WHO IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT? AND BECAUSE IT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST, THEY'RE ALL ALONG UNDER THAT DITCH THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
AND UM, ALSO ANOTHER THING IS PEOPLE WITH A SIDEWALK THERE, THEY ALREADY WALK ALONG THAT STREET FROM CIRCLE K, THEY THROW ALL OF THE TRASH RIGHT TO THE LEFT, RIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE RIGHT IN MY YARD.
AND I DON'T WANNA HAVE ALL OF THAT TRASH COMING INTO MY YARD UNLESS MAYBE YOU WANNA BUILD ME A EIGHT FOOT FENCE OR SOMETHING.
UM, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME.
AND, UM, BUT I DO THINK THE IDEA OF A SIDEWALK IS A GOOD IDEA.
I JUST DON'T THINK YOU'RE STARTING IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE REDESIGNED.
THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT.
DESIGN ON DANTE IS A VERY STRANGE STREET.
IT IS NOT LEVEL, IT IS NOT STRAIGHT.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, IT'S GOT A MIND OF ITS OWN AND
AND SO FAR THE FLOODING, I HAVE NOT HAD A PROBLEM WITH FLOODING, EVEN THOUGH I'M IN RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FLOOD PAINT FLOODPLAIN.
I HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT.
UH, PARTLY BECAUSE I HAVE A LITTLE DITCH THAT RUNS FROM MY DRIVEWAY RIGHT OUT TO THE DITCH OUT THERE.
AND IT'S WORKED FINE ALL THESE YEARS.
AND AT THE MOMENT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY.
I'M EXHAUSTED AND I NEED MY MEDICINE.
AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU, I'LL THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND PLEASE TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION.
CARAV AND GROW WILL BE FOLLOWED BY TRACY DELANEY.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? ALL RIGHT.
UH, I'M CAROL LAGREE AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
I'M ALSO A BUSINESS OWNER HERE.
UM, UH, I'M MAINLY HERE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR GIVING US A SIDEWALK.
'CAUSE IT DOES DESPERATELY NEED IT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE FALLING IN THE DITCHES, BUT, UM, MY MAIN CONCERN
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IS THE CROSSWALK.I FEEL LIKE THAT'S JUST GONNA BE DANGEROUS.
UH, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS WANNA PUT THE HUMPS TO HELP, BUT I THINK FORCING PEOPLE TO CROSS THE STREET IS A BAD IDEA IN GENERAL.
IF WE COULD, UM, MAYBE SAVE THE MONEY FROM NOT PUTTING THE CROSSWALK AND PUTTING, UM, THE HUMPS IN, MAYBE WE CAN DO EXTRA EXCAVATION OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU WANNA DO.
SAVE THE MONEY FROM DOING THE CROSSWALK TO DO THAT INSTEAD.
THEN ALSO, I THINK IT'S A BETTER IDEA TO KEEP, UM, THE SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE ALL THE WAY UP.
AND I GUESS THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THAT, UM, AS FAR AS PEOPLE'S PROPERTY GOES.
BUT, UM, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A HIGHER LEVEL.
SO WHEN THE WATER COMES DOWN, IT'S RUSHING INTO THE, THE EAST SIDE AND WHEN IT RAINS, THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE WALKING IN A LOT OF WATER.
OR WHEN IT SNOWS, IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE SNOWY EVERYWHERE.
BUT MY POINT IS, IF IF EVERYTHING'S GOING DOWNHILL ONTO THAT SIDEWALK, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE WALKING IN PUDDLES BASICALLY.
UM, ANOTHER THING IS ON THE WEST SIDE, THAT'S WHERE THE KIDS GET THEIR BUS 'CAUSE THE BUS GOES DOWN.
SO IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE WHERE THE KIDS WAIT IN THE DITCHES FOR THEIR BUSES.
'CAUSE I HAD TO, I KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.
UM, SO IF, IF WE COULD HAVE THE SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE WHEN THE BUS GOES DOWN, THE KIDS ARE ON A SIDEWALK, NOT IN A DITCH.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE ALL DOING SOMETHING AND THANK YOU.
SO TRACY DELANEY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY EVAN, UH, PUGLIA.
HELLO, I AM TRACY DELANEY AND I AM A SEDONA RESIDENT.
I'M AT THREE 90 ON DANTE, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE, UH, NORTHERN MOST, I'M SORRY, THE SPEED HUMP
I'VE GOT THE SPEED HUMP RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
I'VE GOT, UM, A HUGE SSU, UH, SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
I'M THRILLED THAT THIS IS MOVING FORWARD.
I WANT IT TO BE SAFE FOR MY SON.
I WANT IT TO BE SAFE FOR MY NEIGHBORS.
I HAVE THE FULL FAITH AND CONFIDENCE THAT YOU ARE PLANNING DRAINAGE THAT'S GONNA HELP US.
UM, I'M ASKING YOU TO PROCEED WITH APPROVING THE BIDS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT ANY LONGER.
I'VE BEEN WAITING, SO THANK YOU.
UH, IS THAT PIERCE? HELLO? UM, MY NAME IS EVAN PIA AND I LIVE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA.
SO GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I AM HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE ANTE SUP.
UM, THE REASON WHY THIS PROJECT ORIGINALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION IS BECAUSE I'M A HOMEOWNER ON ARIA STREET.
SO I'M ONE BLOCK AWAY FROM ANTE.
AND IN FULL DISCLOSURE, I RIDE MY BIKE ALL OVER SEDONA.
I RIDE IT, UH, FOR MY TRANSPORTATION.
I RIDE IT FOR FUN AND I RIDE IT FOR MY WORK, MY PROFESSION.
UM, SO I WAS THRILLED WHEN THE THUNDER MOUNTAIN SUP WAS BUILT BECAUSE I COULD ALMOST GET TO POSSE GROUNDS WHERE I WORK ON, ON SUP OFF OF, OFF OF THE ROAD.
UM, AND SO WHEN THE ANTE PROJECT CAME UP, THIS IS NOW MY NORTHBOUND ACCESS THAT I CAN GET TO THUNDER MOUNTAIN.
SO OBVIOUSLY I SUPPORT THE PLAN, RIGHT? UM, BUT I JUST WANNA BACK UP AND JUST REALIZE THAT THERE'S STILL WORK TO BE DONE, RIGHT? WE NEED TO, UM, CONNECT THUNDER MOUNTAIN TO DRY CREEK ROAD AND THEN ALSO FROM COFFEE POT TO THE PARK.
AND THAT'S JUST ONE, ONE CONNECTION TO KEEP US OFF OF 89 A.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONTINUED ATTENTION TO THESE NEEDS.
UM, IN MY OPINION, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE CHALLENGES AND INCONVENIENCES WHEN WE'RE PUSHING THESE PLANS FORWARD, RIGHT? IT'S EASY TO GET STUCK ON A FEW OF THE SQUEAKY WHEELS AND SOME OF THE UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE MIGHT HEAR OF TONIGHT.
UM, BUT THE SED THE SEDONA COMMUNITY, WE REALLY NEED THIS.
WE REALLY NEED A FULL, ROBUST CONNECTED PLAN TO MATCH OUR PROGRESSIVE OUTDOOR ACCESS.
THIS WILL REDUCE TRAFFIC, IT WILL GIVE US A SAFE PLACE TO RIDE AND RECREATE.
AND AS YOU HEARD TONIGHT, STUDENTS REALLY NEED A SAFE WAY TO GET BACK FROM SCHOOL ON THIS BUS LINE.
UM, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IT REALLY BREEDS THE HEALTHY COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK EVERYONE CAN GET ON BOARD, GET ON BOARD WITH THAT.
SO DUE TO THE CITY'S HARD WORK, WE REALLY HAVE SOME STRONG MOMENTUM ROLLING WITH OUR MULTIMODAL CONNECTIVITY.
I'M HERE TODAY JUST TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE STAY THE COURSE, UM, AND ALWAYS KEEP THE LARGER COMMUNITY
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IN MIND WITH THESE PROJECTS.UM, I KNOW THAT TOGETHER WE CAN ACHIEVE THIS.
SO JUST FOR ONE MOMENT, IF WE COULD IMAGINE IF WE HAVE A SHARED USE PATH FROM UPTOWN TO THE CITY PARK, AND THEN FROM THE CITY PARK TO THE LIBRARY, AND THEN FROM THE LIBRARY TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, HOW AMAZING THAT WOULD BE.
THERE'S ONLY A FEW REMAINING CONNECTIONS IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
SO THANKS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? RAISE YOUR HAND NOW.
OKAY, THEN AMY WILL BE THE LAST.
AMY, YOUR, UH, NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
UM, I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL PLAN TO HAVE A SIDEWALK OF ANY KIND ON THAT ROAD, ESPECIALLY BECOMING A RESIDENT ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO.
UM, MY CONCERN IS THE DRAINING DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS LOOK WONDERFUL, BUT AS I WAS TOLD BY, UH, MR. HUFFMAN CAME TO MY RESIDENCE AND, UH, THE DRAINAGE GOES FROM FOUR 20, MY NEIGHBOR INTO A APPROXIMATELY 27 INCH CULVERT AGAINST, UM, SEMEN THAT WAS POURED BY THE RESIDENT WITHOUT CITY CONSIDERATION OR IMPROVEMENT.
AND, UM, SO THAT'S ONLY MY ONLY CONCERN, THE WATER COMING OFF THE ROAD INTO THAT AREA, WHICH, UH, HIS FIFTH WHEELER HAS BEEN AFFIXED THERE SINCE BEFORE 2009 I FOUND OUT AND IS TILTING AND SINKING.
SO THE ADDED DRAINAGE AND, UH, THE CROSSWALK HAVING FLASHING LIGHTS, I WAS WONDERING IF IT WAS GOING TO HAVE FLASHING LIGHTS, BECAUSE THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS PEOPLE CROSSING THE STREET IN THE DARK.
OKAY, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL, AND WE HAVE, UH, COMMENTS.
UH, I'D LIKE TO START WITH ASKING SANDY TO, AND TEAM TO SPEAK TO THE VARIOUS CONCERNS THAT WE'VE JUST HEARD.
I KNOW YOU WERE WRITING MANY A NOTE AND I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY WELL PREPARED FOR, UH, THIS QUESTION.
SO PLEASE, UM, I HOPE I PICKED, I HOPE I PICKED MOST OF IT UP.
UM, I DID WANNA TOUCH ON THE, UM, A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGN.
SO I TALKED ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT OUTREACH WE DID, UM, OFFERING ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS AT THE 60% PLANS.
AND THERE WAS NO, UM, SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FROM THOSE 60% PLANS TO THE A HUNDRED PERCENT PLANS.
THERE'S NO CHANGE OF ALIGNMENT OR, UH, ADDITIONAL TABLES.
UM, IT, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 60% PLANS AND THE A HUNDRED PERCENT PLANS WAS THE DETAIL OF, UM, ENGINEERING, JUST GETTING INTO THE DETAIL AND MAKING SURE ALL THE I'S ARE DOTTED, THE T'S ARE CROSSED.
SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE A HUNDRED PERCENT PLANS WERE POSTED WITH AN EMAIL ON OUR WEBSITE, SO IT DID GO OUT.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
THE CONCERN ABOUT THE MULE DEER INTERSECTION WITH ON DANTE, UM, THERE'S NO TABLE AT THAT LOCATION.
THAT WAS SOMETHING I HAD HEARD ORIGINALLY.
UM, THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE A GRADE DIFFERENCE.
IT'S WHAT'S CALLED A TWO STAGE STOP IS WHAT SHOULD BE DONE.
SO THE VEHICLE THAT'S HEADED FROM UH, MULE DEER IS RIGHT HERE.
SO WHAT THE VEHICLE SHOULD DO IS STOP BEHIND THE CROSSWALK WHERE THE SHARED USE PATH IS CROSSING AND THEN ROLL FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN MERGE ONTO TRAFFIC.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS.
UM, THE SHARED USE PATHS SLOPE INTO THE ROADWAY.
AND SO ANY INCREASE IN THAT IMPERVIOUS UH, SURFACE GOES INTO THE CURB AND GUTTER AND ON DOWN IN ITS HISTORIC MANNER.
AND THE INCREASE IS, UM, VERY SMALL.
AND UH, WHEN I SHOWED THE DRAINAGE WHAT WAS COMING DOWN THIS ROADWAY WAS APPROXIMATELY 200 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND.
AND CURRENTLY YOU SEE A 48 RIGHT HERE.
IT'S ESTIMATED THAT 48 CFS IN THE A HUNDRED YEAR EVENT, WHICH IS A STORM THAT COULD HAPPEN ONCE EVERY A HUNDRED YEARS-ISH
SO SOMETIMES WE GET, UH, STORMS, THE CITY AND ALL MUNICIPALITIES DESIGN FOR WHAT'S CALLED THE 25 YEAR EVENT,
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WHICH IS AN EVENT THAT, UM, COULD HAPPEN, UM, WITHIN 25 YEARS.SO WE DON'T DESIGN TO ACCOMMODATE THE A HUNDRED YEAR EVENT, BUT WE ALSO LOOK AT WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE A HUNDRED YEAR EVENT WOULD BE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ON THE CROSS SECTION THIS VERTICAL CURB, THIS BUFFER AREA IN SOME AREAS AND THE SHARED USE PASS SLOPE OUT.
SO, UM, THE REMOVAL OF TREES, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WE'VE WALKED IT QUITE A BIT.
WE'VE ADJUSTED THE SHARED USE PATH TO SAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT TREES.
AND WE'VE WORKED WITH THE, A LOT OF PROPERTY OWNERS.
THESE TREES ARE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE'RE GONNA BE REMOVING SOME INVASIVE SPECIES.
THERE'S A LOT OF TREE OF HEAVEN ALONG THIS CORRIDOR.
WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT EIGHT TREES WILL BE REMOVED, BUT WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE THEM.
UH, THERE WAS A STATEMENT THAT, UH, WE'VE ONLY BEEN WORKING WITH THE GREGORY FOR A YEAR, ACTUALLY, THEY ATTENDED THE LIBRARY MEETING IN 2022.
SO THEY'VE BEEN AWARE OF THIS PROJECT MOVING AHEAD FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
WE'VE MET WITH THEM THREE TIMES, UM, AND, AND DID OUR BEST TO, TO HEAR THEM OUT AND TO, UM, WORK WITH THEM ON THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, WE'VE GOT WHAT'S PROPOSED.
WE KNOW ABOUT THEIR FLOODING IN 2009 AND WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.
BUT, UM, WE'RE HOPING TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE THAT AS THIS, IF THIS PROJECT IS TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THE COMMENT ABOUT INDEPENDENT DESIGNER, THIS PROJECT WAS DESIGNED BY A FIRM CALLED PARADIGM.
UH, THEY'RE WELL VERSED IN DESIGN AND HYDRAULICS AND TRANSPORTATION.
THAT'S HOW THEY WERE SELECTED FOR THIS PROJECT.
THE CONCERN ABOUT THE UTILITIES, UH, AGAIN, KURT HAD MENTIONED THAT WE MEET QUARTERLY WITH THE UTILITIES.
WE SEND THESE PLANS TO THE UTILITIES AT 30, 60 AND 90 AND COORDINATE WITH THEM.
THERE IS GONNA BE SOME RELOCATIONS AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING SOME OF THE SERVICES WILL HAVE TO BE ADJUSTED.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE CONTRACT IS THE CONTRACTOR AS WELL AS THE CITY STAFF.
WE'LL WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF, UM, WHEN WE REROUTE THE SERVICE, IF THERE'S ANY OFF TIME.
AND THAT'S ALSO THE CONTRACTOR'S JOB.
WE ALSO DID POTHOLING ON THIS ROADWAY TO LOCATE THE DEPTH OF SOME OF THESE UTILITIES JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HIT THEM.
THE CONCERN ABOUT KIDS BEING DROPPED OFF AND THE DIRECTION.
UM, I WAS OUT THERE YESTERDAY TO JUST SO I COULD CATCH THE SCHOOL BUS AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE BUS HEADS NORTH TO DROP KIDS OFF IN THE AFTERNOON.
I'M ASSUMING THEY PROBABLY HEAD SOUTH.
SO, UM, THEY DROP OFF AT, UM, THEY SKIPPED TRANQUIL 'CAUSE I WAS ABOUT AT TRANQUIL.
UM, SO THEY DROPPED OFF RIGHT AFTER THE COMMERCIAL SECTION AND THEN HEADED UP NORTH.
SO, UM, I BELIEVE THE SHARED USE PATH WILL GIVE THESE KIDS A SAFE PLACE TO WALK WHEN THEY DO GET OFF THE BUS.
THE CONCERN ABOUT THE DRAINAGE GOING, UM, BETWEEN THE LOTS, THE, AND THE, UM, RV THAT'S SINKING THE, FROM LOOKING AT THE AERIAL, THE RV IS SITTING ON SIGNIFICANT FILL.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS PERMITTED OR COMPACTED.
SO IF WHEN YOU PUT FOUR TO FIVE FEET OF FILL, THAT IS GONNA DROP AS YOU GET MOISTURE.
UM, THERE IS A 24 INCH STORM DRAIN THAT GOES BETWEEN THOSE LOTS.
AND WE'VE DONE SOME ANALYSIS ON THAT.
IT'S A STEEP PIPE AND, UM, THE ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT IT CAN ACCOMMODATE THE FLOWS.
DO YOU WANNA TOUCH ON THE FLASHING LIGHTS? WELL, JUST THAT WE'VE KIND OF, WELL, YEAH, THE FLASHING LIGHTS WE CAN ALWAYS ADD, LIKE OUT HERE AT WHITE BEAR AND, UH, THEY HAVE THESE DELINEATORS THAT WE CAN PUT IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, THOSE THINGS ARE USUALLY THAT YOU LOOK TO SEE IF THE, UH, TRAFFIC CALMING FEATURES ARE WORKING.
IF THEY'RE NOT, THERE'S OTHER ADDITIONS THAT WE CAN ADD.
THEY'RE USUALLY OUR AFTER PROJECTS.
UM, YOU CAN HAVE MOTION SENSORS AND I, I MIGHT ADD A A LITTLE BIT TO THAT.
SO, UH, SAFETY IMPROVEMENT, LIKE THAT IS TYPICALLY, UH, IT'S MADE AT A LEVEL THAT'S APPROPRIATE TO THE CONFLICT AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT YOU SEE IN THAT CONFLICT.
AT A LOCATION LIKE THIS, I DON'T SEE FLASHING LIGHTS BEING APPROPRIATE.
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HOWEVER, OUR STAFF ARE IN THE HABIT OF WHEN WE BUILD THESE PROJECTS, OBSERVING THEM FOR A TIME.AND IF WE SEE THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM THAT OUR PROJECT IS NOT ADDRESSING, WE WILL LOOK TO CONSIDER ADDITIONAL, UH, SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS.
SO ON THAT POINT, ANDY, WE'RE A DARK SKIES COMMUNITY, RIGHT? AND IT'S DARK AND THERE'S PLENTY OF TREE COVERAGE ON, ON DANTE.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CONFLICT, I MEAN HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON GETTING HITS TOO MUCH CONFLICT, RIGHT? SO A, YOU KNOW, MANUALLY ACTIVATED FLASHING LIGHT FOR NIGHTTIME IN PARTICULAR.
I MEAN, HOW DO YOU ASSESS WHETHER THAT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT? I COULD PLEASE.
SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT ARE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THE SIGNS, THE STRIPING, THOSE ARE ALL RETROREFLECTIVE, WHICH MEANS WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HAVE A CAR APPROACH THEM, THEY LIGHT UP THE NIGHT.
AND THAT IN ITSELF IS GONNA PUT LIGHT OUT.
AND THAT'S WHY ANOTHER REASON WHY THESE RAISED CROSSWALKS ARE MUCH MORE SAFE THAN JUST A NORMAL STREET INTERSECTION BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT REFLECTION GOING ON.
UM, I WILL ALS ALSO OFFER THAT, UH, ANY HOME THAT HAS THOSE FLASHING LIGHTS IN FRONT OF THEM IS GONNA QUICKLY NOT WANT THEM MM-HMM
AND SO THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE WANT ACCIDENTS TO OCCUR, BUT IT'S TO SAY THAT WE MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS WHERE THEY'RE APPROPRIATE AND WE DON'T GO TO THE EXTENT THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
SO ON A QUESTION LIKE THIS, IS IT APPROPRIATE NORMAL STANDARD THAT, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS 90 DAYS POST PROJECT COMPLETION, THERE IS A MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS TO SAY, HEY, HOW'S IT GOING? AND, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY REVIEW THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
AND IF PEOPLE ARE SAYING, HEY, WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE HAD SOME CLOSE CALLS, YOU KNOW, IN PARTICULAR, UH, CROSSING AT NIGHT, THEN FURTHER CONSIDERATION COULD BE PROVIDED.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS, SANDY AND TEAM.
I INTEND TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
THANK YOU MAYOR ALYSSA, JUST FOR, FOR CLARITY ON THE KIDS, 'CAUSE I HAVE A THING ABOUT SCHOOL KIDS WALKING IN THE STREET AND STANDING IN THE STREET, WHICH I HAVE SEEN ON ANTE.
UM, I HEARD YOU, WHEN THEY'RE COMING HOME FROM SCHOOL, THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET OFF ON THE STP AND, BUT DOESN'T THAT IMPLY THAT WHEN THEY ARE WAITING POTENTIALLY IN FAIRLY DARK CIRCUMSTANCES IN THE MORNING, THEY ARE GONNA BE STANDING ON THE DITCHES OR IN THE DITCHES LIKE THEY ARE TODAY.
DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? SO WHEN THE, THEY'RE WAITING IN THE MORNING.
YEAH, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THAT.
SO AGAIN, BECAUSE THE SHARED USE PATH SWITCHES SIDES, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO PUT THE SHARED USE PATH ON BOTH SIDES.
WELL, SO, UM, THAT WAY, WHEREVER THEY'RE DROPPED OFF, THEY'VE GOT A SAFE PLACE TO GO.
BUT THERE WILL BE AREAS, SO WHEN THE BUS IS HEADED, UM, PICKING THEM UP IN THE MORNING, AND IF IT'S HEAD SOUTHBOUND, WHICH IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WHEN THEY GET PICKED UP, UP HERE AT MORNING GLOW, THEY WILL BE, UM, ON THE SIDE.
BUT IF WHEN THEY'RE DOWN HERE NEAR THIS INTERSECTION WITH MELODY, THEN THEY'LL BE ON THE SHARED USE PATH.
AND THEN WHEN THE BUS IS DROPPING THEM OFF, WHEN THEY DROP OFF DOWN HERE, THEY WILL BE ON THE SIDE.
BUT WHEN THEY'RE UP HERE, THEY'LL BE ON THE SHARED USE PATH.
SO UNFORTUNATELY IT'S INCONSISTENT, BUT I, I'D LOVE TO PUT IT ON BOTH SIDES, BUT OKAY.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYONE WE'RE WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN.
UM, AND BECAUSE IT CHANGES SIDES, THE SCHOOL BUS IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE AT SOME POINT NOT ON THE SIDE THAT HAS OUR SHARED USE PATH.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, AS FAR AS THE TABLE IS CONCERNED WITH THE CROSSWALK AND THE LIGHTS AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF, YOU KNOW, WE'VE KIND OF HAD THIS CONVERSATION.
THIS IS A PART THAT WORRIES ME A LOT TOO 'CAUSE IT IS DARK.
UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE THIS ALL DONE, DO YOU GUYS EVER DO ANYTHING LIKE SEE HOW DARK IT IS FOR SOMEBODY COMING, LIKE YOU'RE DRIVING A VEHICLE, HOW IT LIGHTS UP IF SOMEONE'S CROSSING SO YOU HAVE SORT OF AN IMMEDIATE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT DOES OR DOES
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NOT LIGHT UP ENOUGH WITH REFLECTION TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S, WHO'S SAFE? I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE WALKING WEARING DARK CLOTHES, UM, AT NIGHT, WHICH IS DANGEROUS.I'VE ALSO SEEN PEOPLE ON THEIR BIKES WITH NO REFLECTIVE LIGHTS AND NO HEADLAMP ON THEIR BIKES, WHICH MAKES IT VERY DANGEROUS.
UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS EVER DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I ACTUALLY TALKED TO SEVERAL FOLKS THAT FREQUENT THESE PATHS.
UM, ONE OF THEM IS ACTUALLY ON COUNCIL
UM, I THINK THAT'S SOME OF THE BEST, YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF CAN'T BE OUT THERE AT ALL TIMES, BUT A LOT OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE USING THESE PATHWAYS ARE OUT THERE QUITE OFTEN.
AND THEY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING IS TRYING TO GET THESE FREQUENT USERS TO BE SORT OF A CHAMPION OF, OF THAT SEGMENT OF PATHWAY SO THAT WHEN THEY SEE SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE ISSUES AND, AND, UH, MAYBE A SAFETY ISSUE THAT THEY'RE REPORTING THAT TO US.
UM, I THINK MY FEELING IS THAT THAT'S THE MOST EFFECTIVE THING TO DO.
AND I DO GO OUT TO, UM, THESE CROSSWALKS AND I DRIVE THEM AND I PARK AND STOCK AND WATCH WHAT CARS DO AND PEDESTRIANS, UM, IN PARTICULAR, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRY CREEK AT THE NORTHERN END WHERE RIGHT AFTER THE VOLTI.
SO I WATCHED THAT QUITE A BIT, UM, AS WE WERE APPROACHING THIS.
SO, UM, YES, WE DO GO BACK OUT AND SEE HOW IT ACTUALLY WORKS.
AND THAT'S, I THINK REALLY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND AS WELL THAT WE DON'T JUST BUILD THESE AND THEN WAIT, WE ACTUALLY ARE LOOKING AT THESE THEMSELVES.
UNFORTUNATELY, EVAN, I'M NOW EXPECTING TO GET A REPORT BACK FROM YOU, UM, REGARDING THE, UH, EFFECTIVENESS OF THE LIGHTING ON THAT CROSSWALK.
UM, I AM ALWAYS HAVE BEEN IN SUPPORT OF THES.
I THINK TRYING TO CONNECT OUR COMMUNITY AS UM, EVAN ACTUALLY STATED IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF HOW WE WANT TO SEE OUR COMMUNITY, UM, BOTH FOR OURSELVES AND FOR ANYONE WHO CHOOSES TO COME HERE AND LIVE, OR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO VISIT THAT THEY HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE WAY OF COMMUTING AROUND THIS, THIS CITY WITHOUT HAVING TO WAIT IN TRAFFIC THAT IS SAFE AND IS CONNECTED.
VICE MAYOR, YOU STILL WITH US? I AM.
IT'S ACTUALLY SO TO SOUND, UH, BETTER AS WELL.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT OR TWO OR THREE? I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT AND HAVE BEEN FOR MANY YEARS.
IT'S BEEN OFF AND ON AND I, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES AND THE DIFFICULTIES IN WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO OVERCOME THOSE AND PROVIDE A SAFE AND HEALTHY WAY TO GET, UH, AROUND AS A PASSENGER AND ON BIKES.
UH, DEREK, UH, I TOO SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
UM, I DO WANT TO THANK THE RESIDENTS THAT CAME FORWARD AND TOLD US OUR CONCERNS, UH, THEIR CONCERNS RATHER, UH, THEY DID SO IN MY EXPERIENCE IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER, WHICH ISN'T ALWAYS THE CASE, UH, WHEN BEING FACED WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T AGREE WITH YOU.
UM, AS FAR AS THE CROSSWALK GOES, IS IT PERFECT? NO, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING 2,840 FEET OF STREET WITH NO SIDEWALK, NO NOTHING, JUST DITCHES AND THAT AND, AND CONDENSING THAT PROBLEM DOWN TO A 10 FOOT CROSSING.
UH, TO ME THIS IS KIND OF AN EASY CALCULUS TO MAKE.
UM, I'VE GONE UP AND DOWN THAT STREET I ACTUALLY DROVE BEFORE I CAME TO THIS MEETING.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN A SIDEWALK THERE FOR MANY YEARS.
UH, I THINK THE TIME THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET A SECOND ENGINEERING OPINION OR A THIRD ENGINEERING OPINION OR WHATEVER, UM, THE DELAY THAT THAT WOULD TAKE, UH, I JUST DON'T THINK IS WORTH IT.
I THINK IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE SOMEBODY DOES GET HIT WALKING DOWN THE STREET ON ANTE IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING.
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UM, AND I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT APPROACH.YEAH, I TOO AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT.
I REALLY THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE SUVS THAT WE'RE DOING FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT AND A CONDUCT CONNECTIVITY STANDPOINT, THIS PROJECT REALLY RANKS HIGH FOR ME.
AND SO I'M SUPER PLEASED TO SEE IT MOVING ALL.
ALBEIT I ALSO FEEL THAT MAYBE IT'S LATER THAN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING THERE.
UH, CHANGE IS HARD AND, AND WE ARE, UH, EXPOSING OUR COMMUNITY OF A CHANGE HERE IN THEIR MOBILITY PATTERNS.
AND I THINK IN THE LONG TERM IT'S GONNA BE ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT DECISION.
IT'S TOUGH DECISION TO GET THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CHANGE THAT, THAT WE'RE DOING.
BUT I THINK WE'RE LEARNING AND WE'RE GETTING BETTER.
ONE, UH, KIDS CROSSING, SANDY, DID YOU DO OUTREACH TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND TALK TO THE BUS DRIVERS? AND I'M THINKING PARTICULARLY, I KNOW THAT WHEN I'VE BEEN OUT RIDING AROUND ON COFFEE POT AND MOUNTAIN SHADOWS, I SEE KIDS WAITING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET BECAUSE RIGHT.
WE WAIT FOR THE BUS, THE STOPLIGHT, THE STOP SIGN COME OUT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN BE COACHED TO WHERE TO STAND AND GET ACROSS THE STREET SAFELY.
AND SO I, I WOULD THINK THAT THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, BENEFIT TO TALKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND GETTING RIGHT, GET THAT COACHING CONVERSATION HAPPENING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING ON, ON DANTE FOR MAKING KIDS SAFE AND ON THE LIGHTS AND THE CROSSWALK.
YEAH, I HEAR, UH, AND MY COLLEAGUES AND I TOO AM CONCERNED ABOUT DARK SKIES AND KIDS CROSSING THE STREET AT NIGHT.
UH, AND, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADDED AS LONG AS WE'VE BEEN THOUGHTFUL ABOUT IS THERE A CONDUIT THAT NEEDS TO BE UNDER THIS SPEED TABLE OR SOMETHING, WE GET THAT DONE SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO TEAR STUFF UP IF IN A YEAR WE DECIDE SOMETHING MORE NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU MAYOR.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, OUR SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT REVIEWED THIS FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE AND DIDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, THEY SUPPORT IT.
AND HOW LONG YOU MENTIONED IT BEFORE, BUT I DIDN'T CATCH THE, BECAUSE IT WAS CROSS CONVERSATION.
UH, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL ON THIS? YOU, YOU SAID SOMETHING BEFORE.
SO HE'S KNOWN ABOUT THIS PROJECT FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS.
AND THE, IS THE ROADWAY GOING TO BE NARROWED? NO, IT'S 24 FEET.
AND THE TWO DRAINS THAT ARE BEING SHOWN, UM, THOSE THOUGH ARE IN ADDITION TO THE WORK THAT WAS DONE, THE MASSIVE DRAINAGE WORK THAT WAS DONE THAT YOU SHOWED IN THE DISPLAY AFTER THE FLOODING MM-HMM
SO THE TWO DRAINS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AS ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL TO THE WORK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE? YES.
AND YOU DON'T THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A THIRD DRAIN SOMEWHERE OR NO, A CULVERT.
UM, AND THE RUNOFF FROM THE ROAD WILL BE CAPTURED AND DIRECTED VIA CURBING AND TO THOSE TWO NEW DRAINAGE PIPES, IS THAT CORRECT? THE, SO THE SLOPE OF THE ROAD IS FROM THUNDER MOUNTAIN DOWN TO 89 A.
AND SO THE, THE DRAINAGE WILL BE DIRECTED IN ITS HISTORIC DIRECTION DOWN, UM, OPENINGS LIKE PINON J AND, UM, THE PREVIOUS 24 INCH.
SO IT'LL CONTINUE IN ITS HISTORIC MANNER.
AND THE EIGHT TREES THAT YOU MENTIONED, WILL THEY'LL BE REMOVED? THOSE ARE ALL EIGHT OF THOSE ARE INVASIVE? NO.
SO THERE'S, UM, SOME THAT AREN'T, AND WE HAVE, UH, A FUND IN THE CONTRACT TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO PROVIDE A TREE THAT THEY COULD PLANT ON THEIR PROPERTY AND IRRIGATE.
SO THERE'LL BE A ONE-TO-ONE REPLACEMENT FOR ANYTHING THAT'S NOT AN INVASIVE, NOT PROBABLY NOT THE SAME SIZE.
UM, BUT WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER WHEN IF WE REMOVE A SIGNIFICANT TREE.
AND ONE OTHER POINT, THE, WHEN A SCHOOL BUS IS TRAVELING, STATE LAW REQUIRES WHEN A SCHOOL BUS STOPS AND THE LIGHTS ARE FLASHING, THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S ASSUMING THAT CHILDREN ARE BE CROSSING OR STUDENTS GONNA BE CROSSING TO ACCESS.
SO NO MATTER WHERE YOU PUT THE PATHWAY IN, WHICHEVER WAY THE BUS IS GOING, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SOMEBODY WHO HAS TO CROSS THE STREET ONE WAY OR THE ANOTHER.
BUT THAT'S TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT FOR SAFETY FEATURES BY THE STATE LAW STOPPING TRAFFIC, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, AND I WITNESSED THAT YESTERDAY WHEN I WAS WATCHING THE, THE SCHOOL BUS DROP KIDS OFF.
THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THOSE LAST REMAINING CONCERNS.
UM, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT.
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THAT AT THE CURRENT, AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, THERE ARE NO PEDESTRIAN SAFETY FEATURES, UH, ON THAT.AND IT IS A TRAFFICKED FOOT TRAFFICKED ROADWAY.
UM, AND THIS ALSO I THINK PROVIDES REALLY GOOD CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THUNDER MOUNTAIN AND 89 A AND THAT JUST IMPROVES, UM, ALL OF OUR, UM, DESIRES FOR CONNECTION WITHIN THE CITY.
SO I THANK YOU AND I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, LET'S START WITH THE, UH, CROSSWALK, UH, LIGHTING.
I, I WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT WHAT ABOUT THOSE, UH, BALLARDS THAT WOULD GO ON THE SIDEWALK? MAYBE ONE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE CROSSWALK, WHICH IS DARK SKY.
OH, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING? I THINK, ARE THEY SOLAR OR ARE THEY HARDWIRED? YEAH.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER IF, IF WE NOTICE THAT, UM, THERE'S A NEED.
SO THAT, AND THAT WE WOULDN'T NEED TO HAVE ADDED WIRING OR CONDUITS FOR IF IT'S SOLAR, IT WOULD NOT.
I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT THEY WERE, UH, SOLAR AND WE CAN ADD, WE'VE DONE THAT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY? NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY WE CAN ADD REFLECTIVE BEADS WITHIN THE STRIPING OF THE TABLE THAT ADDS THAT REFLECTIVITY THAT ANDY MENTIONED ABOUT THE SIGN.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WOULD ILLUMINATE AND GIVE A CUE TO THE DRIVER THAT YOU'RE AS A CROSSING.
SO THERE ARE OTHER SAFETIES WE CAN DO THAT AREN'T IN ILLUMINATING LIGHTING.
SO ALSO LET ME, I MAYBE I DIDN'T HEAR CLEARLY ABOUT THE TREES, THE TREES THAT WOULD BE REMOVED.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS 33 TREES.
IS THAT AN HOUR RIGHT OF WAY ON OUR PROPERTY OR IS THAT ON, ON THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, PROPERTY? SO THEY WOULD BE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE'RE ONLY, UM, AND I BELIEVE WHEN WE DID THE CONTRACT, I, UM, HAD MENTIONED TO COUNSEL THAT WE HAD TWO, UH, PROPERTIES WHERE WE NEEDED SMALL, UM, PERMANENT EASEMENTS.
AND THAT'S STILL THE, THE CASE, THE SHARED USE PATH WILL BE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY EXCEPT FOR THOSE TWO PROPERTIES.
SO WE'RE NOT ENCROACHING, WE HAVE GONE OUT AND ASKED FOR TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS JUST TO SMOOTH THE TRANSITION FOR THE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS TO THE SHARED USE PATH.
AND WE'VE GOTTEN 10 OF THOSE, OF THE 27 I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE REQUESTED ALREADY.
I REMEMBER ON THUNDER MOUNTAIN THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ALSO ABOUT DRIVEWAY CONNECTIVITY TO THE SHARED USE PATH AND HOW PEOPLE WOULD GET OUT AND THEY THOUGHT THERE WAS GONNA BE A 12 INCH GAP OR LIP AND IT ALL WORKED OUT GREAT.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE BETTER THINGS ABOUT THAT PROJECT WAS HOW WELL STAFF AT THE TIME WORKED WITH, UH, THE RESIDENTS.
UH, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THE PROJECT CAUSING MORE FLOODING, AND YET YOU GAVE VERY CONVINCING COMMENTS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.
WAS THAT FROM 2020 OR 2022? THE THUNDER MOUNTAIN DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS? 2021 AND 2022.
SO THAT WOULD'VE ADDRESSED ALL THIS FLOODING, BUT YET THE COMMENTS, I, THERE'S A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING, UH, ABOUT THERE STILL BEING DRAINAGE PROBLEMS, BUT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY FLOODING CURRENTLY.
SO WHAT, UH, REALLY PIQUED MY INTEREST WAS THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT THE DESIGNER HAD HYDROLOGY EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE AND WOULD THERE BE A DEGREE IN THERE AS WELL? YES.
AND UM, IN-HOUSE WE ALSO HAVE CERTIFIED FLOODPLAIN MANAGERS ON STAFF AND, UM, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS, SO WE ALL LOOK AT THIS AS A CONCERN, RIGHT? AND SO I'VE BEEN HERE ALL, NOT 33 YEARS, BUT A LONG ENOUGH TIME THAT I'VE SEEN SOME FANTASTIC PROJECTS, AND YET YOU GET THE MONSOON COMING IN AND BOY, IT JUST GOES THE WRONG WAY.
AND THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD CAN COME TWO YEARS IN A ROW.
SO THERE'S NO PLAN THAT'S PERFECT, BUT YOU CERTAINLY PLAN FOR AS BEST YOU CAN.
AND THAT'S, AND I TRIED TO EXPLAIN THAT.
SO LOTS THAT ARE, UM, WE'VE TAKEN AND IMPROVED THE AREA SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY ALL THE DRAINAGE THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND, AND THE RUNOFF THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S, IT CAN HAPPEN DEPENDS ON THE, THE DIRECTION OF THE RAIN COMING DOWN AND WHERE, WHERE IT SPILLS, WHERE THE CLOUD DROPS, RIGHT? AND MR. MAYOR, UH, THE PART OF THIS AS WELL IS WE'RE GOING TO THAT SIX INCH VERTICAL FACE CURVE TO MAKE IT MORE ROBUST TO COLLECT AS MUCH STORM WATER THAT'S GENERATED WITHIN THE LOCAL AREA, UM, AS THAT PART OF THE PROTECT ADJACENT LANDOWNER PROPERTIES VERSUS A ROLL CURB, WHICH HAS A LOWER CAPACITY.
NO, WE'RE DOING THE VERTICAL CURB, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S I DIFFERENCE IS A ROLL CURVE AND THOSE ARE THOSE THINGS THAT WE LOOK THROUGH AS PART OF OUR CHECK TO SEE WHAT'S MOST APPROPRIATE.
THERE WAS ALSO A COMMENT ABOUT THIS, UH, IMPINGING ON PUBLIC SAFETY.
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UH, COMMENTS DURING THIS OR DURING THE PRESENTATION HAVE REALLY ADDRESSED FOR ME.I BELIEVE THAT YOU'VE ADDRESSED MANY OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMENTS, UH, OR CONCERNS.
AND, UM, AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER HERE ON CONCORD, WHICH HAS LESS TRAVEL AND LESS SPEED, THEY HAD A CHILD HIT BY A CAR.
SO YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT IT'S TO ME, UH, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'VE TAKEN PUBLIC SAFETY INTO ACCOUNT DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS.
UH, AND BESIDES IT WAS A COMMENT ABOUT, WELL PUT IT OUT, FORBID AGAIN, HAVE IT REDESIGNED.
I THINK THIS DESIGN, I DON'T SEE ANY DEFICITS IN THIS DESIGN AT ALL.
THE ONLY THING IT WOULD DO IS DELAY THE PROJECT.
AND THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN LONG DELAYED WAY BEYOND WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY DELAYING IT WOULD BE THE WORST THING YOU COULD DO FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO AS YOU COULD TELL, I WOULD SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
SO, SO, UH, WE HAVE OUR COMMENTS.
UH, CAN WE HAVE A, A MOTION PLEASE? KATHY, YOU HAVE THE MOTION? I DO.
I MOVE TO APPROVE AWARD OF THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH PRONGHORN SERVICES LLC FOR ANTE DRIVE, SHARED USE PATHWAY AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, INCLUDING A MIDBLOCK CROSSING SPEED TABLE WITH TWO ADDITIONAL SPEED HUMPS, ONE ON EACH SIDE APPROACHING THE SPEED TABLE IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $3,032,684 SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE WRITTEN CONTRACT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
ANY COMP IF WE BEAT YOU OUT? HOLLY, MELISSA.
ANY, UH, FINAL COMMENTS? HEARING NONE OR IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH SANDY AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
THIS WAS A VERY, VERY INFORMATIVE, INFORMATIVE PRESENTATION.
[8.e. AB 3188 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding proposed State legislation, short-term rental legislation, lobbying efforts, and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona.]
OKAY.ITEM E, AB 31 88, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION ACTION REGARDING THE PROPOSED STATE LEGISLATION, SHORT TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION, LOBBYING EFFORTS, AND STATE BUDGET AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON THE CITY OF SEDONA, KURT.
AND COUNCIL, WE ASK YOU PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS, EXCUSE ME, WITH THE MEETING STILL GOING ON, CAN YOU PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS DOWN? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL? UH, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN TO ADD, IN ADDITION TO THE REPORT, THE, UH, LEGISLATION THAT THE CITY'S STILL TRACKING IS STALLED.
UH, THE NOT A LOT OF ACTION HAS TAKEN PLACE LATELY AS THEY FOCUS ON THE, ON THE BUDGET.
UH, IN FACT, THE GOVERNOR SAYS SHE'S NOT GOING TO BE SIGNING ANYTHING, UM, UNTIL THEY MAKE SOME PROGRESS ON THE BUDGET.
AND SO EVERYTHING THE CITY'S TRACKING HAS JUST BEEN SITTING THERE, UH, OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
AND, UM, I HAVE NO IDEA OF KNOWING WHETHER THEY ACTUALLY GONNA MOVE OR NOT AT THIS POINT.
KATHY? YES, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
SO THE GOVERNOR DID ISSUE THAT STATEMENT SAYING A MORATORIUM ON SIGNING ANY LEGISLATION THAT CAME ONTO HER DESK, BUT I WAS CONFUSED BY THAT LANGUAGE.
COULD YOU SHED SOME LIGHT ON IT? MAYBE? UM, DOES THAT MEAN THAT SHE'LL BE VETOING STUFF THAT COMES BECAUSE IF THERE'S, IF SHE JUST DOESN'T SIGN IT, DOESN'T IT AUTOMATICALLY BECOME LAW WITHIN FIVE DAYS? SHE ONLY HAS FIVE DAYS TO DO A VETO OR SOMETHING AUTOMATICALLY BECOMES LAW.
SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS.
SO I, I BELIEVE IT'S ONLY IF AT THE END OF THE LEGISLATION SESSION SHE HAS FIVE DAYS IF SHE DOESN'T.
UM, SO I THINK SHE HAS SOME TIME RIGHT NOW TO, TO, TO NOT TAKE ANY ACTION.
I I'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT FOR YOU.
YEAH, 'CAUSE IT JUST CONFUSED ME, SO I DIDN'T, I KNEW I WAS MISSING SOME CRITICAL PIECE OF INFORMATION IN THAT.
UM, AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO, THE, THE GOVERNOR DID VETO SB 1164, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY, I WANTED TO GO ON THE RECORD SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A MUNICIPALITY, THANK YOU BECAUSE THAT WOULD'VE GIVEN US UNFUNDED MANDATE, UM, FOR SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE BUDGETED IN TERMS OF, UH, WORKING WITH ICE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY GRATEFUL THAT FOR THAT VETO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF KURT? WELL, THANK YOU KURT.
I APPRECIATE THE, THE SHORT PRESENTATION.
[8.f. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items. ]
ITEM F UH, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. OF COURSE, WE HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW AT THREE O'CLOCK RIGHT HERE.HOPEFULLY HOLLY WILL BE FEELING BETTER.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? HEARING NOTHING ELSE, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.