* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE ] [00:00:07] OKAY. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. LET'S CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. SO ON. AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU [2. ROLL CALL ] MADAM CLERK. WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR JALO. HERE, VICE MAYOR PLU. PRESENT. COUNCILOR DUNN. HERE. COUNCILOR FOLTZ? HERE. COUNCILOR FURMAN. HERE. COUNCILOR KINSELLA. PRESENT. COUNCILOR F HERE. THANK YOU. [3.a. Public Comment: Public comment on all budget items will be taken at the outset of the meeting. Each person commenting will have a maximum of two minutes. The entire period for the public comment will not exceed thirty minutes. ] ITEM THREE, SPECIAL BUSINESS WORK SESSION, UH, REGARDING THE CITY OF SEDONA BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 25, 26. THE COUNCIL MAY TAKE ACTION, UH, TO GIVE DIRECTION REGARDING CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED CITY BUDGET OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS. THE CIP UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH THE, THE EACH ITEM NUMBER, I JUST WANT TO, UH, LET THE PUBLIC KNOW PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE TAKEN TODAY, BUT THE, THERE'LL BE A TIME LIMIT OF TWO MINUTES PER PERSON, UH, WITH THE MAXIMUM OF WHAT ARE WE HAD 20 MINUTES. I'M SORRY. 30 MINUTES. OKAY. BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT MANY PEOPLE HERE, SO, UH, THAT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. ALSO, THIS IS A WORK SESSION, SO THE PUBLIC WILL SEE, UH, AND I ENCOURAGE THE, THE COUNCIL TO, TO HAVE SNACKS TO KEEP US GOING. 'CAUSE THIS IS A LONG, LONG PROCESS. SO WE WILL BE EATING FROM THE DAIS. I HAVE A, UH, SCHEDULE. WE'RE GONNA TRY TO STAY ON SCHEDULE. I'M GONNA ASK ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO, UH, TRY TO STAY ON SCHEDULE WITH ME AS WELL. AND, UH, EACH SPEAKER, UH, WILL ALSO BE ON HELD TO A SCHEDULE AS WELL. AND I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYBODY THAT SPEAKS TO START WITH THEIR NAME, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE NEW. START WITH THEIR NAME TO INTRODUCE 'EM TO THE PUBLIC ON THE CAMERA. OKAY. I THINK THAT COVERS THAT. OKAY. SO, OKAY. ITEM [3.b. An introduction to and overview of the 2025/2026 Fiscal Year Budget process will be presented and discussed. ] ITEM B, AN INTRODUCTION TO AN OVERVIEW OF THE 2025 FISCAL YEAR BUDGET PROCESS WILL BE PRESENTED AND DISCUSSED. WE HAVE HERE, WE'LL START WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WE HAVE TWO CARDS. SO I'M GONNA ASK, UH, SKIP DRUM, UH, DROWN. I'M SORRY TO STEP UP TO THE MIC. YOU HAVE, UH, TWO MINUTES. START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. AND, UH, SKIP WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JOHN THOMPSON. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M SKIP DOM. I'M A RELATIVELY NEW RESIDENT OF THIS FINE ART MECCA CALLED SEDONA. UM, IMMEDIATELY UPON LANDING HERE, NOT NINE MONTHS YET, I DECIDED THIS IS WHERE I WANNA LIVE THE REST OF MY LIFE. UM, I SENSE COMMUNITY, WHETHER I'M IN THE GROCERY STORE OR AT ONE OF THE ART GALLERIES. UM, I NEEDED SOMETHING TO DO WHEN I GOT HERE SOME MONTHS AGO. SO I FOUNDED THE SEDONA ARTISTS CONSORTIUM, AND I'M PRODUCING THE FIRST EVER IN-PERSON ONSTAGE SEDONA SCULPTOR SYMPOSIUM AT THE SIF THEATERS ON MAY 13TH. I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE ART AND CULTURE DEPARTMENT PORTION OF THE BUDGET. UM, IT GOES WITHOUT STANDING THAT I BELIEVE BUSINESS AND ART, UH, ARE SIMPATICO AND WILL CREATE AN EVEN MORE ENDEARING SENSE OF COMMUNITY, WHICH I, SINCE I'VE ATTENDED FOUR OR FIVE OF YOUR COUNCIL MEETINGS ON OTHER ISSUES JUST TO OBSERVE COMMUNITY IS A PARENT OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE. THE SYMPOSIUM THAT I'M PRODUCING, UH, HAS SOME NOTABLE PEOPLE ON IT. LINDA GOLDSTEIN IS MY MODERATOR, JAMES MUIR, WHO'S STATUE CAIUS OUTSIDE THE MONUMENTAL PIECE IS GOING TO BE ONE OF MY BRONZE ARTISTS, UH, IN THE DISCUSSION. SUSAN CLEAVER, WHO WAS PREVIOUSLY HONORED BY YOU. THANK YOU. KEN ROWE AND CHRIS NAVARRO. SO, IN SHORT, I WANNA BECOME MORE INVOLVED IN THIS COMMUNITY, NOT JUST IN ART, BUT BY ATTENDING YOUR DELIBERATIONS. HENCEFORTH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, SKIP. WELCOME, WELCOME. THANKS FOR THE WORK THAT [00:05:01] YOU'RE DOING TO BRING MORE ART INTO OUR COMMUNITY, JOHN THOMPSON. AND IF THERE'S NOBODY ELSE HERE, AND I'M NOT SEEING ANYBODY ELSE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK, UH, THIS WILL BE THE TIME TO FILL OUT A CARD. BUT THERE'S NOBODY HERE. SO, UH, JT GOOD MORNING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS, GOOD TO SEE YOU TODAY. UM, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY. JOHN THOMPSON, CITY OF SEDONA. THANK YOU, . UM, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, WHICH I'M SURE WON'T BE A SURPRISE TO ANY OF YOU. UH, SPECIFICALLY, UM, DECISION PACKAGE 48. I'M NOT SURE WHAT AUTO MEANS, BUT IT'S AUTO 48 AND IT'S ON PAGE 2 37. ANYWAY, UM, THIS IS, UH, PROCURED PRODUCTS AND WASTE AUDIT, PROCURE. UM, I'M SURE YOU READ ABOUT IT ALREADY A LITTLE BIT AND MAYBE HAVE FORMED SOME THOUGHTS. UM, IT DID NOT, UNFORT UNFORTUNATELY, DID NOT GET THE APPROVAL, UH, OF A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY MANAGER OR THE BUDGET WORK GROUP. SO I WANTED TO COME AND GIVE A LITTLE, UH, EXTRA PUSH TO HAVE, UH, YOU THINK ABOUT VERY SERIOUSLY WHETHER THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN WORK THIS IN STILL. UM, BRYCE, I'M SURE WE'LL GIVE YOU ALL THE DETAILS WHEN YOU TALK TO HIM. I WON'T GO INTO ALL OF WHAT IT DOES. UM, BUT THE MAIN POINT IS THAT IT'S A WAY FOR US TO GATHER SOME REAL DATA ON ESPECIALLY SCOPE THREE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY CRITICAL. UM, IT'S, UH, VERY HARD TO, TO GET THIS KIND OF DATA AND, UH, UM, 'CAUSE IT'S VERY ELUSIVE AND HAVING AN EXPERT TO DO THAT IS, UH, GONNA BE VERY HELPFUL. UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY, WE COUNT NUMBER ONE AND TWO PRETTY WELL, AND I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS. UH, I THINK BRYCE MENTIONED TO ME, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, UH, ARE IN, IN SCOPE THREE THAT WE, WE LOOK AT. UM, BUT, UH, NOTHING OF THE LEVEL THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET FROM THIS. AND IF WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET OUR, UM, 50 BY 30 GOALS, UH, WHICH JUST KEEP CREEP CREEPING UP CLOSER AND CLOSER, UH, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. UM, THAT WAS TWO MINUTES. OKAY. THANK YOU, JT. I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. SEEING NO OTHER CAUSE AND NOBODY ELSE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AND WE'LL GO TO ANNETTE FOR AN INTRODUCTION. I WAS OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNSEL. GOOD MORNING. ANNETTE ICKER, THE CITY MANAGER, GET MY COMPUTER SET UP HERE. UM, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF OUR, UH, BUDGET WORK SESSIONS WITH YOU. AND, UM, THE STAFF HAS WORKED INCREDIBLY HARD, OH, SINCE, OH GOSH, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, UM, BUILDING THEIR BUDGET REQUESTS FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, ANALYZING THE WORK THAT THEY PERFORM AND DEVELOPING THEIR WORKFORCE OR WORKLOAD INDICATORS. UM, I REALLY WANNA THANK STERLING AND BARBARA AND HER TEAM, UM, FOR DOING ALL THE HEAVY LIFTING TO PREPARE ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH TODAY. UM, AND AS YOU KNOW, THIS WILL BE OUR FIRST TIME THROUGH TOGETHER, BARBARA AND I. UM, AND SO WE DID TRY TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO SOME OF THE MATERIAL BASED ON FEEDBACK I RECEIVED FROM YOU. SO HOPEFULLY, UM, AS WE WORK TOGETHER AND EVOLVE THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WITH YOU, WE'LL BE ABLE TO KEEP REFINING IT IN A MANNER THAT, UM, YOU WILL FIND HELPFUL TO YOU. UM, I WORKED WITH THE TEAM TO TRY AS HARD AS POSSIBLE TO GET THE BUDGET DOWN, UM, INSTEAD OF HAVE IT GROW. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THE BUDGET BEFORE YOU IS ACTUALLY SMALLER THAN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. UM, AND THAT WAS THROUGH A COMBINATION OF DECISIONS. UM, AS YOU HEARD FROM MR. THOMPSON, I DID MAKE SOME DECISIONS AROUND, UM, SEVERAL ITEMS THAT I DID NOT INCLUDE IN THE BUDGET. AND THAT WAS, AGAIN, KEEPING IN MIND, UM, THE INTEREST OF THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY TO SEE OUR BUDGET, UM, NOT GROW, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIALLY IN EFFECT GO DOWN. UM, SO THERE WERE SOME TOUGH CALLS THAT I HAD TO MAKE IN THE INTERNAL PROCESS. UM, BUT AGAIN, ULTIMATELY IT'S YOUR BUDGET AND YOU CAN DECIDE TO CHANGE ANY OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND ADJUST IT HOWEVER YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE COMMUNITY. UM, AND SO WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND, UM, MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. [00:10:01] UM, AND THE WAY THAT BARBARA IS SCHEDULED, THE TIME WE HAVE, UM, MOST OF TOMORROW, AT LEAST HALF OF TOMORROW, JUST FOR COUNCIL DELIBERATIONS ON ALL OF THESE CHOICES. SO TODAY IS JUST HIGHLIGHTING, UM, EACH DEPARTMENT'S REQUEST AND THEN TOMORROW WILL BE REALLY THE, UM, THE REAL WORK, I GUESS I WOULD SAY. SO AGAIN, I JUST WANNA THANK EVERYONE ON MY TEAM FOR ALL OF THE EXCELLENT WORK THEY DID AND ALL THE THOUGHT THEY PUT INTO PREPARING THESE REQUESTS. UM, WE REALLY DO HONOR SERVING OUR COMMUNITY AND PROVIDING THE BEST QUALITY PUBLIC SERVICES THAT WE CAN TO, UM, OUR VISITORS AND OUR RESIDENTS HERE. UM, SO I GUESS WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO BARBARA TO GET INTO THE DETAILS, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY HIGH LEVEL QUESTIONS FOR ME BEFORE WE GET STARTED? NO. OKAY, BARBARA. ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, BARBARA WHITEHORN, DIRECTOR OF FINANCIAL SERVICES, AND WE HAVE STERLING WEST, UM, WHO'S BUDGET AND FINANCIAL ANALYST. AND I ALSO HAVE BURNETT AVI, WHO IS OUR REVENUE SUPERVISOR. SHE'S THE PERSON THAT SENDS YOU THE GREAT INFORMATION EVERY MONTH ON SALES AND BED TAX WITH THE LITTLE TREND ANALYSIS. SO THIS, THIS IS BERNADETTE. UM, FIRST I JUST WANT TO, YOU WANNA GO TO THE AGENDA? YEAH. UM, THE AGENDA IS FAIRLY TIGHT FOR THE DEPARTMENTS. UM, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU LIMIT QUESTIONS DURING THOSE TIMES JUST TO LIKE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE FULL-TIME FOR DISCUSSION TOMORROW AFTERNOON. UM, BUT I, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK LIKE YOU CAN TO ASK QUESTIONS BECAUSE AS YOU'VE PROBABLY LEARNED IN SEVEN MONTHS WITH ME, I'M NOT THAT RIGID. UM, BUT I, I JUST DO WANT US TO BE AS, AS CAREFUL WITH THE TIME AS POSSIBLE SO THAT YOU HAVE LOTS OF TIME TO DISCUSS TOMORROW. LEMME GO ON. AND SO WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THESE AGENDA, THE AGENDAS ARE IN YOUR, UH, PACKET AND THIS IS JUST HOPEFULLY WHAT WE'LL STICK TO. SO SPECIAL THANKS, UM, TO STAFF THAT CONTRIBUTED SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE BUDGET. WE JUST WANTED TO CALL OUT KEEGAN MOORCROFT, CHRISTIE TURK, CARRIE MEYER, IAN RA, BERNADETTE AVI, RUSS MARTIN, CHUCK HARDY, ERIN SEAFORD, AND ROB MCMULLIN FOR THEIR PARTICULAR ASSISTANCE. EVERYONE WORKED ON THIS, I MEAN, TREMENDOUSLY. UM, THESE WERE PEOPLE THAT JUST HELPED US AN AWFUL LOT WITH PARTICULAR THINGS. SO WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE INTO THE ECONOMIC OUTLOOK AND FINANCIAL STATE OF THE CITY. SO AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE, UH, THE KEY WORD FOR OUR ECONOMY RIGHT NOW IS UNCERTAINTY. UM, AS I, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT DIFFERENT ANALYSTS AND S AND S AND P AND BLOOMBERG AND ALL THESE, THEY ALL POINT TO SORT OF SHIFTING POLICY DECISIONS AS DRIVING UNCERTAINTY IN THE MARKETS AND CAUSING A SLOWDOWN IN OVERALL GROWTH. UM, AS WE PROBABLY REMEMBER POST-ELECTION, THE S AND P HAD A BIG LIKE GAIN. UM, AS OF EARLY FEBRUARY, THEY LOST ALL OF THAT GAIN AND THEN SOME BECAUSE OF JUST KIND OF THE UNCERTAINTY IN THE, IN THE MARKETS, OUR, UH, REAL GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT, WHICH MEASURES THE COUNTRY'S LIKE OUTPUT. AND NOT JUST LIKE THINGS, RIGHT, LIKE, BUT OUR ACTUAL LIKE WORK OUTPUT LIKE SERVICES AND, AND STUFF THAT WE PRODUCE. THE TOTAL OF THAT WE SAW A 2.8% INCREASE IN 2024. AND THE AVERAGE OVER TIME IS ABOUT 2.5. IT'S EXPECTED TO GO DOWN TO A LITTLE UNDER TWO FOR THE NEXT, PARDON ME, THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. AND WE STILL REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT OF TARIFFS IS GONNA BE. GO ON. UM, THIS IS FROM SS AND P RATINGS AND THIS IS OUR, UM, GDP GROWTH OVER TIME. SO YOU CAN SEE LOOKING AT IT THAT THE FORECAST IS TO BE UNDER THE AVERAGE FOR A LITTLE WHILE. AND THIS JUST MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, GROWTH IS SLOWING. WE ALSO ANTICIPATE INFLATION COMING DOWN, BUT AT A SLOWER RATE THAN WE WERE SEEING. UM, CONSUMER CONFIDENCE IS PROBABLY THE PIECE THAT WORRIES ME THE MOST. AND I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S LIKE WORRYING ME TREMENDOUSLY, BUT WHEN CONSUMER SENTIMENT GOES FROM WE'RE HAPPY AND WE THINK EVERYTHING'S GOOD, AND WE FEEL LIKE IN SIX MONTHS WE'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE PLENTY OF MONEY TO, WE FEEL LIKE IN SIX MONTHS THINGS ARE GONNA GET TIGHTER AND TIGHTER. MAYBE I WON'T HAVE A JOB. PEOPLE RETRACT THEIR SPENDING OR THEY CAN DO WHAT'S CALLED RETRENCHMENT, WHERE YOU [00:15:01] DECREASE YOUR SPENDING BASED ON ECONOMIC, EXTERNAL ECONOMIC FACTORS THAT CAN HAPPEN EVEN BEFORE A RECESSION ACTUALLY HITS. AND CONSUMER CONFIDENCE, IF IT GETS TOO LOW, CAN ACTUALLY DRIVE A RECESSION BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LIKE SCARED TO SPEND THEIR MONEY BECAUSE THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN. SO CONSUMER, UH, CONFIDENCE, CONSUMER SENTIMENT, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I WATCH REALLY CLOSELY FOR THAT. UM, THE, THE IMPACT OF THE ECONOMIC OUTLOOK IS, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW THAT HOUSEHOLD INCOMES AREN'T KEEPING PACE WITH HIGHER COSTS. UM, DRIVING, SPENDING DOWN EMPLOY UNEMPLOYMENT IS INCREASING. UM, WE'RE EXPECTED TO REACH FOUR AND A HALF PERCENT. IT WAS 4% LAST YEAR, UM, 4.5 ANTICIPATED IN 2026, WHICH IS NOT OUTRAGEOUS. I, I DO WANNA POINT OUT LIKE DURING THE PANDEMIC IT WAS 14.8%, RIGHT? AND WE'VE HAD TIMES OF MUCH HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT. BUT ANYTIME WE SEE UNEMPLOYMENT GO UP, THAT IMPACTS CONSUMER CONFIDENCE, IT IMPACT SPENDING, UM, CONTINUED HIGH INFLATION, BUT HOPEFULLY WILL DECREASE OVER TIME. UM, THEY ARE, ECONOMISTS ARE PREDICTING A SLIGHT INCREASE IN LATE 2025 CALENDAR YEAR. UM, WE HAVE A FAIRLY RESILIENT TAX BASE HERE. I HAVE, UM, MULTIPLE YEARS OF DATA AND WE'LL GO INTO THAT, BUT GO AHEAD. UM, OVERALL, I THINK FISCAL YEAR 26, WE'LL SEE SLOWER GROWTH IN REVENUES. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WILL SEE A DECREASE. WE DID CONSIDER WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DID. UM, BUT OUR BUDGET FOR SALES AND BED TAX, WHICH IS OUR BIG PIECE OF THE BUDGET, IT'S ABOUT 60% OVERALL, INCLUDING EVERYTHING IN THE CITY, WASTEWATER, EVERYTHING, UM, INCREASING SIX AND 7% OVER THE BUDGET, BUT ONLY 1.4% OVER ACTUALS FOR THE YEAR. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE ACTUALS ARE REALLY THE DRIVER FOR HOW WE DETERMINE A TREND. SO IF WE'RE SAYING ONLY 1.4% IS A VERY SMALL GROWTH AMOUNT YEAR OVER YEAR, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE VERY PRUDENT AND CAUTIOUS IN THIS TIME OF UNCERTAINTY AND STATE OF THE CITY. SO A LITTLE MORE ECONOMIC DETAILS FOR THE PRESSURE THAT WE'RE UNDER. UM, IN ELASTIC AND ELASTIC DEMAND, THIS IS LIKE STERLING AND I GETTING A LITTLE GEEKY. UM, ELASTIC DEMAND IS WHEN YOU, YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT IS CHANGEABLE WITH ECONOMIC CONDITIONS. DO PEOPLE BUY RVS DURING LOUSY ECONOMIC TIMES? NOT SO MUCH LOTTO TICKETS, CRUISE VACATIONS, THESE ARE THINGS SPECIFICALLY THAT LIKE GO DOWN. UM, INEL ARE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO BUY, RIGHT? PEOPLE ARE GONNA BUY TEEPEE AND BREAD AND EGGS, MOSTLY , DURING, YOU KNOW, TIMES OF HARD E AND ECONOMY THAT'S CHALLENGING. YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE THOSE ESSENTIALS, AND THAT'S SORT OF THE DIFFERENCE. SO WE LOOK AT THOSE AND OBVIOUSLY VACATIONS AND HOTELS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE GENERALLY FAIRLY ELASTIC. AND AS SEDONA RELIES ON A LOT OF SALES AND BED TECHS GENERATED BY VISITORS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. UM, OUR 61%, AS I MENTIONED OF OUR TOTAL REVENUE FOR THE CITY IS SALES AND BED TAX, AND 80% OF OUR GENERAL FUND REVENUE. SO WE'RE HIGHLY SENSITIVE TO THOSE ECONOMIC PRESSURES. UM, DISCRETIONARY SPENDING IS ANTICIPATED TO GO DOWN. IF WE GO INTO A FULL RECESSION, IT'S BEEN A WHILE. WE'VE MANAGED TO SORT OF KEEP A RECESSION AT BAY. WE CAN'T DO THAT FOREVER AS A NATION, SO WE HAVE TO SORT OF BE AWARE THAT IT COULD GOOD. UM, I WANTED TO SORT OF GIVE HISTORIC CONTEXT FOR HOW THE CITY PERFORMS DURING CHALLENGING TIMES. NOW, DURING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, WE HAD REALLY INTERESTING RESULTS HERE. UM, DURING LOCKDOWN, OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, WENT TO PIECES FOR EVERYBODY. UM, THAT'S WHEN UNEMPLOYMENT PEAKED AT 14.8%. UM, AND THERE'S A STUDY THAT I LINKED HERE THAT THE, THE GOVERNMENT DID, AND IT INCLUDES ARIZONA, IT'S EIGHT REPRESENTATIVE STATES. APPARENTLY WE'RE A REPRESENTATIVE STATE, WHICH IS AWESOME. AND IT ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO SALES TAX IN THOSE STATES DURING THE PANDEMIC. AND THEY WENT DOWN TREMENDOUSLY IN THAT LIKE APRIL TO JUNE PERIOD OF THE INITIAL, LIKE, HOLY COW, WE'RE IN A PANDEMIC, UM, LIKE 14% FOR THE STATE. UM, OUR [00:20:01] SALES TAX REVENUE FOR THAT SAME PERIOD DROPPED 27%, WHICH WAS LIKE, HOLY COW. BUT REMEMBER IT WAS LOCKDOWN, RIGHT? LIKE THAT'S LIKE PEOPLE COULD NOT TRAVEL, UM, HISTORIC BUDGET SHORTFALLS FOR CITIES. AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY KIND OF ANOTHER UNCERTAIN TIME. GO AHEAD. UM, SO IN FISCAL 20 OVERALL, WE SAW A DECREASE OF ALMOST 6% IN SALES TAX AND 13% IN BED TAX FOR THE WHOLE YEAR, INCLUSIVE OF THE PRIOR TWO QUARTERS THAT WERE STILL GOOD BEFORE THE PANDEMIC. AND THEN REALLY JUST, WELL, THREE QUARTERS AND THEN THE LAST QUARTER WHERE THINGS WERE REALLY KIND OF A MESS. SO FISCAL YEAR 20 ONE'S BUDGET WAS CUT WAY BACK, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IT WAS LIKE POSITIONS WERE FROZEN. SPENDING WAS REALLY PULLED BACK BECAUSE WE THOUGHT, OKAY, THIS, THIS TREND WILL CONTINUE AS LONG AS WE HAVE THIS PANDEMIC. UM, AND WE DID SEE LOWER COLLECTIONS THROUGH 2020. SO THE FIRST MONTH OF 2021, JULY OF 2020, WE WERE STILL SEEING LOWER COLLECTIONS. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE WENT CRAZY WHEN, YOU KNOW, AIR ARIZONA DIDN'T HAVE THAT LOCKDOWN, LIKE SAY CALIFORNIA DID, WHERE LITERALLY TO GO TO CALIFORNIA YOU HAD TO HAVE A BUSINESS REASON AND YOU HAD TO PROVE IT BEFORE YOU COULD BOOK A HOTEL OR A FLIGHT TO CALIFORNIA. SO WE WERE SEDONAS ECONOMY BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF OUTDOOR BASED. WE'RE WE'RE MORE RESILIENT IN A TIME LIKE A PANDEMIC BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN COME HERE AND SOCIALLY DISTANCE, THEY CAN STAY IN A HOTEL HERE AND NOT NECESSARILY DO ALL OF THOSE HEAVY PEOPLEY THINGS, IF YOU WILL. LIKE GOING TO DISNEYLAND WHERE YOU CAN'T WALK THREE FEET WITHOUT SOMEONE LIKE SHOULDERING YOU. UM, NOT DELIBERATELY, BUT THERE'S JUST A ZILLION PEOPLE. SO IN 2021, WE HAD THIS CRAZY INCREASE IN SALES AND BED TAX. SALES TAX WENT UP ALMOST 40% AND BED TAX WENT UP ALMOST 72%. AND THAT, THAT'S LIKE VERY, THAT'S AN ANOMALY ACROSS OTHER CITIES THAT RELY ON TOURISM EVEN BECAUSE MOST CITIES ARE NOT OUTDOOR BASED. THE ONES THAT HAVE AN OUTDOOR BASED SORT OF TOURISM ECONOMY DID MUCH BETTER THAN THOSE THAT DID NOT. UM, 22 CONTINUED THAT TREND. AND SO IN 23 WE PUT TOGETHER THIS BUDGET THAT WAS LIKE, YEAH, WE ARE LIKE ROCKING IT. AND THINGS NORMAL NORMALIZED, RIGHT? AND IT WAS LIKE, OH, PEOPLE CAN NOW TRAVEL OTHER PLACES, SO THEY'RE NOT ALL GONNA COME HERE. UM, AND IF YOU WANNA JUST GO TO THE NEXT ONE. SO THIS SLIDE, UM, REALLY TALKS ABOUT HOW THE CITY HAS DONE GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE GREAT RECE ALL THE WAY BACK, RIGHT? OH MY GOD, I WAS 38 YEARS OLD FOR GOD'S SAKE, UM, TO 2008 WHEN THE GREAT RECESSION HIT. AND WE SAW REVENUE DECREASING FROM FISCAL EIGHT TO NINE, FROM NINE TO 10. SO IT WAS, THAT WAS A REALLY CHALLENGING TIME. AND WE CUT A LOT OF POSITIONS. WE DID A LOT OF LIKE BUDGET MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY COULD CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN A, IN A TIME OF, OF JUST A LOT OF CHALLENGES. AND THEN YOU CAN WATCH AFTER THE GREAT RECESSION AS SEDONA JUST SORT OF STARTS INCREASING AND INCREASING AND INCREASING. THEN WE HAVE THE CRAZINESS OF THE PANDEMIC AND WE NORMALIZE. AND WHEN WE NORMALIZED REVENUE AFTER THE PANDEMIC, IT'S STILL LIKE $15 MILLION ANNUALLY, HIGHER THAN PRE PANDEMIC. SO THERE WAS A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT IN HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE COMING HERE, HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE SPENDING. AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO KEEP IN MIND GOING FORWARD, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE KIND OF STEADY EVEN THROUGH THE RECESSION. WE HAD SOME DECREASES, BUT THEY WEREN'T HUGE. AND THEN WE JUST SAW A STEADY INCLINE, STEADY INCLINE, HUGE INCREASE. AND THEN WE LEVELED OFF STILL AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL RELATIVE TO HISTORIC PERFORMANCE. SO WHY, WHY DID THIS HAPPEN? YOU KNOW, AS I TALKED ABOUT THE OUTDOOR, UM, CULTURE, WE ALSO HAVE EASE OF ACCESS FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT A VACATION. THEY CAN DRIVE HERE EASILY FROM UTAH, PARTS OF COLORADO, UM, CALIFORNIA, UH, NEW MEXICO. I MEAN, WE HAVE A LOT OF SURROUNDING AREAS WHERE PEOPLE CAN DRIVE IN AND CERTAINLY THE PHOENIX AREA WHERE IT'S TWO HOURS AWAY. AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN ECONOMICAL VACATION AND YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT A RECESSION, [00:25:01] IS TAKING THE KIDS TO DISNEYLAND AT $400 PER TICKET, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA CONSIDER? ARE YOU GONNA GO, LET'S TAKE A WEEKEND IN SEDONA WHERE WE CAN SPEND $350 A NIGHT FOR A HOTEL OR WHATEVER AND GO HIKING VERSUS THIS HUGE EXPENSIVE VACATION WHERE IN ADDITION TO THE TICKETS, YOU'VE GOTTA PAY FOR THE HOTEL, YOU'VE GOTTA PAY FOR ALL THESE THINGS. I THINK THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THAT SORT OF PERCEIVED ECONOMY IS VERY HELPFUL. UM, OUR ABILITY TO SOCIAL DISTANCE WAS HUGE DURING THE PANDEMIC BECAUSE IF YOU'RE HIKING YOU, YOU ARE UP ON PEOPLE GENERALLY. UM, WE ALSO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF HIGH NET WORTH VISITORS WHOSE BEHAVIOR DOES NOT CHANGE WITH, UH, ANY KIND OF RECESSION. UM, GO AHEAD. SO I THINK THE CHALLENGE OF USING THE PANDEMIC IS THAT THE PANDEMIC HAD A VERY SPECIFIC DRIVER, WHICH WAS THAT EASE OF SOCIAL DISTANCING THAT WHEN WE'RE IN A REGULAR ECONOMIC DOWNTURN, REGULAR, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF ECONOMIC DOWNTURN THAT ISN'T DRIVEN BY A HEALTH CRISIS THAT ISN'T A DRIVER, BUT WE ARE NEVERTHELESS AN EASILY ACCESSIBLE LOCATION FROM A LOT OF SURROUNDING AREAS. WE, WE ARE STILL AN ECONOMICAL ALTERNATIVE TO THOSE REALLY BIG EXPENSIVE FAMILY VACATIONS OR INDIVIDUAL VACATIONS. I KNOW A LOT OF ADULTS THAT ALSO LOVE DISNEY. UM, AND THEN WE STILL OF COURSE HAVE THOSE HIGH NET WORTH VISITORS. UM, SO I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT AND IT'S THAT NORMALIZED, UM, SALES AND BED TAX THAT REALLY SPEAKS TO OUR RESILIENT ECONOMY AND THAT WE CAN USE GOING FORWARD. SO HERE'S OUR, UM, TAX REVENUE FROM FISCAL YEAR EIGHT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL 26. AND WE ANTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, AS USUAL BEING FAIRLY, UH, CONSERVATIVE. BUT I, I THINK, UM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEE SOME GROWTH. IT'S JUST GOING TO SLOW SIGNIFICANTLY. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE THE, YOU KNOW, EIGHT, 10% GROWTH THAT WE HAVE SEEN. UM, I THINK, I THINK 1.4 OVERALL IS A, IS A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION GIVEN OUR EXPERIENCE AND OUR FAIRLY UNIQUE ECONOMY. AND THIS SLIDE IS ACTUALLY THE TREND FOR, UM, YEAR, YEAR OVER YEAR OF SALES TAX AND BED TAX. THIS IS WHAT YOU GET IN YOUR EMAIL. SO Y'ALL KNOW THIS ONE. GO AHEAD. AND THEN HERE, UM, AND I KNOW I TALKED ABOUT THIS IN DECEMBER AND I JUST WANT TO LIKE EMPHASIZE IT THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE OUR BUDGET IN TWO SEPARATE PIECES BECAUSE THE OPERATING BUDGET, WHICH IS ABOUT 55 MILLION IN 2026 IS JUST OVER HALF OF THE WHOLE BUDGET. THE REST ABOUT 46 MILLION IS CAPITAL AND THE CAPITAL BUDGET, THOSE ARE ONE TIME COSTS THAT DOESN'T GO ON FOREVER. AND THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART, YOU SEE THE ORANGE KIND OF GOING UP AND DOWN AND UP AND DOWN ALL OVER. AND THE PLUM, I GUESS COLOR KIND OF BEING MORE LEVEL AS A SLOW INCREASE OVER TIME. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD SEE IN OPERATIONS IS A SLOW INCREASE OVER TIME BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO NEED MORE STAFF FOR PROGRAMS AS THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS GROW. UM, EVERYTHING GETS MORE EXPENSIVE OVER TIME, SO IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO KEEP THAT FLAT. UM, AND THEN CAPITAL WILL GO UP AND DOWN AS YOU SCHEDULE LARGE PROJECTS AND COMPLETE THEM. OKAY. AND THE GENERAL FUND IS THE MAIN FUND OF THE CITY. IT'S THE ONE THAT POLICE ARE IN ALL THE SUPPORT SERVICES. UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S WHERE ALL THE GOVERNMENTAL STUFF HAPPENS AND WHERE THE SALES AND TAX REVENUE, I MEAN, SALES EMBED TAX REVENUE COMES IN, UM, IN THE GENERAL FUND. REVENUES ALWAYS EXCEED BUDGETED EXPENDITURES. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE, THE REVENUE FROM THE GENERAL FUND, THAT GAP BETWEEN ACTUAL AND WHAT, LIKE OUR BUDGETED REVENUE FOR THE GENERAL FUND THAT WE SPEND AND WHAT WE'RE NOT SPENDING IN THE GENERAL FUND IS USED TO SUPPORT CAPITAL PROJECTS AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS OUTSIDE OF THE GENERAL FUND. SO WE HAVE ALL THOSE TRANSFERS THAT GO TO LIKE THE CAPITAL PROJECT FUND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO ISSUE DEBT FOR EVERY PROJECT WE DO. UM, WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE THAT WAY THAT WE CAN CASH FUND PROJECTS. UM, THERE'S A, AN APPROPRIATE TIME FOR DEBT OF [00:30:01] COURSE, BUT BEING ABLE TO FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS WITH CASH IS A, IS AN UNUSUAL AND VERY GOOD PLACE TO BE IN. AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO SPEND A LITTLE TIME ON CITY STAFFING BECAUSE WHEN I WENT BACK TO LIKE FISCAL YEAR EIGHT, FISCAL NINE AND STARTED LOOKING AT THE GREAT RECESSION, I NOTICED THAT WE STARTED, AND LET ME BE CLEAR, THAT FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT INCLUDES PART-TIME POSITIONS. THEY'RE LIKE PERCENTAGES OF AN FTE AND I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW THIS. IT'S REALLY FOR PEOPLE WATCHING SOMETIMES THAT I DEFINE THESE THINGS. 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU ALL KNOW. UM, SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE RIGHT NOW 189 INDIVIDUALS. WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY AND THEN SOME PART-TIME. SO, AND WE HAVE QUITE A FEW PART-TIME PEOPLE. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS TREND FROM OH NINE TO 25, WE HAD A HUGE DIP DURING THE GREAT RECESSION. WE DROPPED FROM ALMOST 167 TO ABOUT 117. SO WE ELIMINATED ALMOST 50 FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS. AND THOSE WERE SOME PART-TIME, SOME FULL-TIME. WE DIDN'T REACH THE FISCAL YEAR OH NINE, AND YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. WE DIDN'T REACH THE FISCAL YEAR OH NINE LEVEL OF 167.9 UNTIL REALLY 23, BUT I SAID 22 BECAUSE WE WERE AT 164. SO IT WAS CLOSE. SO IT TOOK US 13 YEARS TO GET BACK TO THE STAFFING LEVELS WE HAD IN FISCAL OH NINE. AND I THINK THERE'S SORT OF A SENSE THAT OUR, OUR STAFFING HAS INCREASED EXPONENTIALLY. AND THE REALITY IS IT, IT HAS NOT. WE'VE INCREASED IN 16 YEARS, ONLY 13.2%. SO IT'S NOT, UM, NOT AN OUTRAGEOUS INCREASE OVER TIME. IT'S A PRETTY NORMAL INCREASE OVER TIME. BARBARA, CAN YOU HOLD FOR ONE? BRIAN HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU AND THEN I HAD TO DO AS WELL, CAN YOU GO BACK A SLIDE? YES. SO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I'VE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT GOING ON THE MIC. MICROPHONE, PLEASE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UH, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS SLIDE IN. I'VE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GROWTH OF STAFF AND WHATNOT. YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER IT RIGHT NOW, BUT OF THE NEARLY 50 E 50 FTES THAT WERE ELIMINATED IN THE OH NINE TO 12 PERIOD, WHAT WASN'T GETTING DONE WAS, WAS THERE ACTUALLY A NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCE? BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE REALLY ONLY, YOU KNOW, 20 HEADS HIGHER NOW THAN WE WERE ALL THOSE YEARS AGO, BUT WERE WE REALLY MISSING THOSE HEADS? 'CAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE TO OUR RESIDENTS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAVE WE CREATED VALUE FOR THE COMMUNITY BY BRINGING THOSE HEADS BACK AND INCREASING FURTHER BEYOND THAT. AND I KNOW THAT'S A BIG QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S REALLY PREPARED TO ANSWER TODAY. DO YOU HAVE ANDY, WHO'S THE ONLY ONE HERE THAT WAS, I THINK CAN HERE THEN? SO, SO I CAN SPEAK TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH PUBLIC WORKS SPECIFICALLY. WE ENDED UP, UH, UNFORTUNATELY IN THAT SITUATION, LOSING SEVERAL FOLKS OUT OF THAT DEPARTMENT THAT INCLUDED LAYOFFS, UM, FREEZING POSITIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, AS I RECALL, THE BIGGEST HIT TO THAT DEPARTMENT REDUCTION, SORRY THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE BEST WORD, UM, WAS IN PROJECT MANAGEMENT. SO DURING THAT TIME, WE SIGNIFICANTLY CUT BACK ON CAPITAL PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND EXPENDITURE. AND THEN AS THE ECONOMY CAME BACK, WE ADDED SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS BACK. UM, SO I WOULD SAY THE BIGGEST THING THAT WAS CUT BACK ON THAT TIME IN THAT SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT WOULD'VE BEEN CAPITAL EXPENDITURE AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT. ESSENTIAL THINGS CONTINUED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PAVEMENT MAINTENANCE AND THE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT. UM, BUT THERE WAS DEFINITELY A LOT OF EFFORT PUT INTO FOCUSING ON WHAT WAS ESSENTIAL AND REDUCING WHAT COULD BE REDUCED DURING THAT TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. IT'S SOMEWHAT ANECDOTAL. I I GET IT. I, IT'S A BIG QUESTION I'M ASKING AND, AND LIKE AS A COUNTRY, WE FACE CHALLENGES OF KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE CURB REGULARLY, RIGHT? RIGHT. LIKE THE NUMBER OF BRIDGES THAT ARE CONSIDERED TO BE FAILING AND ALL THAT. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, OKAY, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT IT FROM A PUBLIC WORKS PERSPECTIVE AND THAT'S NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT PORTION OF OUR STAFF SO THAT I GET IT RIGHT. BUT OVERALL, ARE [00:35:01] WE, HAVE WE ADDED BACK STUFF JUST BECAUSE WE CAN OR BECAUSE WE'RE NOW CREATING VALUE FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT EITHER WASN'T GETTING CREATED BEFORE OR THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS AN IMPACT, RIGHT? WE HAD THE EQUIVALENT OF FAILING BRIDGES THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND. AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND SO THAT WHEN IT GETS REPORTED THAT, YOU KNOW, HEAD COUNT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT HEADLINE'S GONNA BE, THAT HEAD COUNT'S UP 70 POSITIONS FROM FISCAL 12, NOT THAT IT'S UP 20 FROM FISCAL NINE, RIGHT? AND IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET THE COMMUNITY INFORMED APPROPRIATELY ABOUT WHY. SO I KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA GET INTO IT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT REALLY IS MESSAGING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT. THANK YOU. SO MAY I, I WANT GO AHEAD. MAY I RESPOND TO THAT, MR. MAYOR? SURE. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNSELOR LTZ. AND I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS, UM, GO BACK AND, UH, MAYBE CREATE THE HISTORY OF ALL THE DECISION PACKAGE CHOICES THAT WERE MADE, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED, RIGHT? EACH YEAR THAT PARTICULAR COUNCIL WOULD'VE APPROVED ADDING SOMETHING BACK. AND I'M SURE WE CAN, UM, RESURRECT ALL THOSE BUDGET RECORDS AND CREATE LIKE, SORT OF THE LONG HISTORY OF ALL THE THINGS THAT CAME BACK AND WHY. YEAH. IT'S LIKE A WATERFALL CHART KIND OF A THING. YEAH. YEAH. SO ARE YOU DONE, BRIAN? I'M DONE MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I, ANDY, ANDY, OH, ANDY, GO AHEAD. SO I, I MIGHT ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM THE PUBLIC WORK SIDE. I, I CAN SAY FOR SURE THAT AS POSITIONS WERE ADDED, IT WAS HEAVILY SCRUTINIZED. AND I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. WHEN WE STARTED TO ADD BACK, UM, PROJECT MANAGEMENT STAFF, ROXANNE HOLLAND WAS ONE OF THE FIRST TO COME IN MM-HMM . ALONG WITH HER. YOU MIGHT REMEMBER STEVEN CRAVER. YEP. THEY WERE THE FIRST TWO PROJECT MANAGERS TO GET ADDED BACK. THEY WERE ADDED BACK WITH A CAVEAT THAT ONE SPECIALIZED IN WASTEWATER AND ONE SPECIALIZED IN STORMWATER. AND THEY WERE REQUIRED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IF THAT THOSE TWO AREAS OF THE CAPITAL PROGRAM WERE TO DECREASE, AGAIN, REDUCE AN AMOUNT OF EXPENDITURE, THEIR POSITIONS WOULD GO AWAY. SO IT WASN'T LIGHTHEARTED THAT WE ADDED THOSE POSITIONS BACK. AND THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. THANKS. AND I DO REMEMBER THAT. AND, AND IF I COULD ADD TO, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIKE A, A NUMBER OF WORKLOAD MEASURES AND PERFORMANCE METRICS, LIKE 600. AND THOSE ACTUALLY WERE REQUIRED IF, IF A DEPARTMENT WANTED TO ADD A POSITION, IF THEY WANTED TO GO BACK AND SAY, OH, WE NEED THIS ASSOCIATE ENGINEER THAT WE ELIMINATED IN, I CAN'T REMEMBER, 10. UM, THERE HAD TO BE A WORKLOAD MEASURE AND PERFORMANCE METRICS TO SAY, THERE'S A REASON FOR THIS. WE'RE NOT RESPONDING TO THESE THINGS TIMELY, OR THE WORKLOAD IS TOO MUCH FOR THE CURRENT STAFF. THANK YOU. SO I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THAT SOME OF THESE FULL-TIME, AND I DON'T KNOW, PART-TIME AND PUBLIC WORKS AND POLICE I THINK ARE THE MOST CRITICAL TO, TO OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR COMMUNITY. BUT WE HAVE OTHER, UH, UH, GROUPS THAT WE'VE ADDED TO HAVE A BETTER CITY, LIKE, UH, SUSTAINABILITY, UH, THE ARTS AND, UH, NOW TOURISM, WHICH IS A BETTER CONTROL OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING HERE. SO THEY, THOSE SHOULD BE, AND I'M SURE THERE'S OTHERS, I'M JUST OFF THE CUFF, BUT THOSE SHOULD BE HIGHLIGHTED BECAUSE IT'S, THEY'RE BRINGING OUR COMMUNITY TO A BETTER PLACE. IT'S NOT JUST WILLY-NILLY JUST HIRING PEOPLE. SO, UH, I'M HAVING STERLING NOTE THIS, SO THAT AT THE, UM, PRESENTATION OF THE, THE TENTATIVE BUDGET ADOPTION AT THE END OF MAY, WE CAN BRING THIS INFORMATION BACK TO YOU AND JUST WANTED TO PUT THESE HIGHLIGHTS. 'CAUSE I, I AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCILOR FO THAT I'M SURE THE HEADLINES MAY, UH, MENTION THOSE NUMBERS, BUT THERE'S NOTHING BEHIND IT. WE WOULDN'T NEED TO PUT THE, THE, UH, POSITIVES ARE IN OUR CITY ON WHAT THOSE, EACH OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS AND EACH OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE DOING TO MAKE OUR LIVES BETTER EVERY DAY. THEY SHOULDN'T BE FORGOTTEN. EXCELLENT. VICE MAYOR, THIS, UH, CHART THAT'S UP THERE, OR THIS SLIDE? ARE THOSE THE NO, THE ONE THAT WAS THERE. THANK YOU. ARE THOSE EXACTLY THE POSITIONS THAT WERE ELIMINATED OR ARE THEY SOME OF THE POSITIONS? THEY ARE, SOME OF THEM, I HAD TO GO BACK THROUGH INDIVIDUAL BUDGET BOOKS. [00:40:01] AND THE POSITIONS ARE NOT LISTED IN THE BUDGET BOOKS AS HERE ARE THE FIVE PEOPLE IN PUBLIC WORKS AND HERE ARE THE FOUR SAY, UM, THE STAFFING INFORMATION IN THERE IS LIKE 70% OF THE CITY MANAGER GOES HERE, 20% HERE. SO THEY'RE A LITTLE CHALLENGING. SO WHAT I DID WAS OVER TIME I WAS LIKE, OKAY, I SEE THIS ENGINEER. I DON'T SEE IT IN THAT YEAR. SO THAT'S HOW I DETERMINED, I KNOW THIS IS NOT COMPLETE BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE TO, I WOULD'VE SPENT A LOT, I PROBABLY SPENT THREE HOURS ON IT, WHICH IS ASININE. THAT SOUNDS ASININE FOR THIS MUCH DATA. BUT BECAUSE IT WAS OLD PAPER RECORDS AND NOT EVERY YEAR WAS REPORTED EXACTLY THE SAME, THESE WERE THE ONES THAT I KNOW HAPPENED BECAUSE I COULD SEE THEM GO AWAY, OR I READ IN THE MANAGER'S MESSAGE IN THE BUDGET, THESE POSITIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATED OR THESE LAYOFFS. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO BARBARA, JUST TO CLARIFY, THOSE POSITIONS ALL CAME BACK IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER EXCEPT POLICE? YEAH, I DON'T THINK ALL OF THEM DID IN THE SAME, LIKE, THERE'S NO ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES DIRECTOR NOW OR DIFFERENT POSITIONS, BUT DIFFERENT TITLES. YEAH. SO THERE MAY BE DIFFERENT LIKE TITLES AND THERE MAY BE SOME THAT WE HAVE RESTRUCTURED. AND IF ANNETTE, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT OR SURE. UM, OBVIOUSLY I WASN'T HERE AT THAT TIME, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST ONE, UH, SORT OF CAVEAT TO ALL OF THIS. IT WAS 13 YEARS AGO, UM, THAT'S A LONG TIME AGO. A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY IS EXPECTED TO DO, UM, LAW CHANGES, UM, SERVICE DEMAND CHANGES, THINGS LIKE THAT HAVE OCCURRED. UM, UH, DECISIONS BY PAST COUNSELS TO ADD NEW SERVICES. LIKE, UM, I THINK THE MAYOR JUST REFERENCED, YOU KNOW, TAKING THE DMO RESPONSIBILITY, CREATING A TRANSIT PROGRAM, CREATING A HOUSING PROGRAM, THINGS LIKE THAT, POLICY DECISIONS. UM, AND THOSE THINGS OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T EXIST UNDER THIS SCENARIO WHEN THESE REDUCTIONS WERE MADE. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD DRAW ONE-TO-ONE, UM, CONCLUSION THAT THESE EXACT THINGS THAT WENT AWAY 13 YEARS AGO ARE THE EXACT THINGS THAT OVER TIME WERE ADDED BACK. I THINK THE POSITIONS THAT WERE ADDED BACK WERE BASED ON POLICY CHOICES OF THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME REGARDING CERTAIN PROGRAMS, UM, AND STAFF LEVELS. AND AGAIN, UM, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF POSITION REQUESTS FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. AND I ONLY, UM, RECOMMENDED INCLUDING A SMALL AMOUNT. UM, SO I THINK EVERY YEAR THE COUNCIL IS FACED WITH THAT CHOICE OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY MORE, UM, POSITIONS DO WE NEED TO PROVIDE THE HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE NOW. UM, AND IT'S ALWAYS A REALLY CHALLENGING DECISION EACH YEAR. I THINK YOU GUYS PROBABLY FEEL THE PRESSURE EVERY YEAR FOR, UM, WHAT FOLKS WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDED BACK IN. UM, YEAH, SO ANYWAY, I WOULD JUST CAUTION AGAINST, UM, LINKING WHAT HAPPENED 13 YEARS AGO TO WHAT THE CITY LOOKS LIKE TODAY. 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE, WE'VE EVOLVED DOING DIFFERENT THINGS. OKAY, THANKS. UH, YEAH, ANDY, AND THEN WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE FORWARD OFF, UH, THE TIME WE GAINED. SO TO MAKE SENSE OUT OF WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER, SO ONE ASSOCIATE ENGINEER WAS LAID OFF AND THEN THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS WAS RETIRED. I TOOK THAT POSITION, THEY DIDN'T BACKFILL MINE, SO THAT'S NOT SHOWN HERE. AND THEN WASTEWATER AND ENVIRONMENTAL, THAT'S ALL PART OF PUBLIC WORK. SO ALL OF THAT INSPECTION STAFF WAS ASSISTING CAPITAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT YOU MIGHT SAY. SO THAT'S ALL ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AREA THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. AND POSITIONS HAD DIFFERENT TITLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS ALWAYS HIGHLIGHTED TO ME, WHICH I'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR IS THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT WE'VE NEVER BROUGHT THOSE NUMBERS BACK UP FROM BACK IN, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE YEARS. SO WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD. SO, UH, BARBARA, OKAY. ARE YOU ALMOST DONE OR SO HA, . OKAY. OKAY, GO AHEAD. UM, NEXT I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EXPENDITURE LIMIT, THE ARIZONA EXPENDITURE LIMIT AND HOME RULE. AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, WE HAVE A HOME RULE, A REQUIREMENT FOR A VOTE IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE WITH HOME RULE IN 2026. AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT FOR THE BROADER AUDIENCE AS TO WHAT THE EXPENDITURE LIMIT IS, WHAT HOME RULE IS, AND WHAT SORT OF THE IMPACT IS. SO THE EXPENDITURE LIMIT IS, THIS [00:45:01] IS A LIMIT SET BY THE STATE OF ARIZONA. IT'S AUTOMATIC, IT'S BASED ON FULL-TIME POPULATION GROWTH. AND AN INFLATION FACTOR HOME RULE, WHICH IS AN OPTION LIKE VERSUS THE EXPENDITURE LIMIT, ALLOWS A CITY TO SET A LOCAL LIMIT BASED ON THE ADOPTED BUDGET ANNUALLY. SO IT BASICALLY SAYS, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE AND YOU'RE GONNA SET THE EXPENDITURE LIMIT BASED ON THAT, UM, HAS TO BE ADOPTED EVERY FOUR YEARS. IF, IF YOU DO THAT. AND WE PASSED HOME RULE IN 2022. SO HOME RULE AND THE EXPENDITURE LIMIT WERE ADDED TO THE CONSTITUTION IN 1980. AND THE CALCULATION FACTORS FOR 2025 ARE THAT YOU TAKE, WELL, THEY'RE THE SAME EVERY YEAR, BUT TO CALCULATE IT FOR, FOR, UM, RIGHT NOW IS YOU TAKE THE POPULATION CHANGE FROM JULY 1ST, 1978 TO JULY 1ST, 2023. AND THAT MOVES FORWARD A YEAR EVERY YEAR, UM, NOT THE 78, BUT THE, YOU KNOW, JULY 1ST, 2023 BECOMES 2024 FOR 2026. AND THEN THE INFLATION FACTOR IS FROM THE US BUREAU OF ECONOMIC ANALYSIS AS OF MARCH 24. SO IT'S A YEAR BEHIND. AND THEN THE BASE BUDGET THAT THEY USE THESE FACTORS TO INFLATE TO THE LIMIT ARE ACTUAL LOCAL REVENUES TO THE CITY IN 1980. SEDONA WASN'T INCORPORATED IN 1980 AND ANY CITY THAT'S INCORPORATED LATER, THE STATE ACTUALLY DID A CALCULATION BASED ON THE CITY'S PERCENTAGE POPULATION OF THE COUNTIES IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS. AND FOR US IT WAS COCONINO AND YAVAPAI. AND THEY DETERMINED THAT OUR 1980 BASE BUDGET WAS ABOUT 2.9 MILLION. THAT'S PROBABLY REASONABLE. UM, POPULATION IN 1978 WAS 7,050. OUR POPULATION IN 2023 WAS 9,771. SO OUR POPULATION FACTOR IS 1.386, WHICH IS A 38.6% INCREASE OVER THOSE YEARS. AND THEN THE INFLATION FACTOR, THE BEA INFLATION FACTOR IS 3.7558. WHY THEY HAVE TO MAKE IT SO MANY LIKE DECIMALS, I DON'T KNOW. UM, SO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS EXPENDITURE IS WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, HERE'S THIS CALCULATION, BUT WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY MEAN? IT, WHAT IT MEANS IS BASICALLY EVERYTHING THAT WE DO WOULD HAVE TO FIT IN THAT LIMITATION. AND I'LL TELL TELL YOU IN A SECOND HOW MUCH THAT IS. THAT MEANS POLICE, PUBLIC WORKS, PARKS AND REC, ALL THE SUPPORT SERVICES, IT EVEN INCLUDES THE ENTERPRISE FUND FOR WASTEWATER, EVEN THOUGH WASTEWATER IS RATE DRIVEN, OR IT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE, AND IT INCLUDES CAPITAL EXPENDITURES AND DEBT SERVICE. THE ONLY THINGS THAT ARE EXCLUDED FROM THAT LIMITATION ARE GRANTS, DONATIONS, DEPRECIATION, INSURANCE CLAIMS INCURRED, BUT NOT REPORTED. WHICH I MEAN, THAT'S NOT HUGE AND INVOLUNTARY COURT JUDGEMENTS. SO VERY LITTLE IS EXCLUDED. THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR ACTUAL CALCULATION, IF I DO THE MATH, I GET 15 MILLION 4 11, 971, THE STATE DOES THE SAME MATH AND GETS 15 MILLION 4 11, 5 42, WHATEVER, LIKE THEIR NUMBER IS, IS THE NUMBER RIGHT? BUT I DIDN'T WANNA JUST PUT THEIRS BECAUSE ANYONE COULD DO THE MATH AND NOT GET THAT RESULT. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GOT THAT EXACTLY, BUT THAT IS OUR EXPENDITURE LIMIT. THAT 15.4 MILLION, THE AMOUNT OF THE CITY'S BASE BUDGET THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THAT LIMITATION IS 91.6 MILLION. HOLD FOR ONE. YES. VICE MAYOR, YOU HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. I DO. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT, UH, DEBT IS EXCLUDED. SO IT, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THE LAST TIME WE WERE HOME, RULE UP THAT IT PUSHED, SINCE WE MOSTLY DO PAY AS YOU GO MM-HMM . IN ORDER TO HAVE ANY KIND OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, WE WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO INCUR MORE DEBT, RIGHT? SO IT'S ACTUALLY COST TAXPAYERS MONEY 'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO PAY INTEREST ON BONDS AND WE INCUR DEBT. BUT THAT'S WHAT IT PUSHES YOU TOWARDS. IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING? I THOUGHT THAT DEBT WAS EXCLUDED AND I THOUGHT THAT CAPITAL WAS POSSIBLY AN EXCLUSION. AND I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH AND I TALKED TO, UM, ONE OF MY FRIENDS WHO'S A REVENUE MANAGER IN SCOTTSDALE, AND THEY ACTUALLY HAD A MUNICIPAL ELECTION TO [00:50:01] EXCLUDE THOSE THINGS. LIKE THEY, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO EXCLUDE THAT FROM THEIR LIMIT BECAUSE THEY WENT AND HAD AN ELECTION. UM, AND THEN I WENT ON THE STATE'S WEBSITE AND DID A LOT OF RESEARCH AND FROM WHAT I CAN UNDERSTAND, DEBT IS NOT EXCLUDED FROM THE LIMIT. UM, THAT SORT OF SURPRISED ME BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, THIS SEEMS ILLOGICAL JUST THE WAY WASTEWATER THAT SEEMED ILLOGICAL. UM, BUT IN THEIR FACT, FAQ SECTION, THERE'S ACTUALLY A QUESTION. IS DEBT SERVICE EXCLUDED? AND IT SAYS NO, THEN WE HAVE BEEN MISINTERPRETING THIS FOR THE YEAH, I REALLY WAS SURPRISED BY THAT BECAUSE NORMALLY DEBT SERVICE IS SOMETHING THAT IS SORT OF SACROSANCT. UM, SO I, I AM, I CONTINUE TO DO RESEARCH ON THIS AND TALK TO PEOPLE BECAUSE I FIND IT VERY COMPLICATED AND REALLY CHALLENGING TO UNDERSTAND WHY SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE LIKE, NO, IT'S NOT AN EXCLUSION. AND I FEEL LIKE THERE HAS TO BE MORE, MORE INFORMATION BEHIND IT. UM, BUT IT, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, AND PLEASE DON'T ASSUME THAT I LIKE KNOW EVERYTHING BECAUSE I TOTALLY DON'T. AND I'M RELYING ON OTHER EXPERTS AND THE STATE'S WEBSITE, EVEN IF WE EXCLUDE DEBT SERVICE FROM THAT, WE'RE STILL AT 83 MILLION. SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SORT OF, WHETHER IT'S EXCLUDED OR NOT YES, MATTERS, BUT IN THE SENSE OF WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR OUR BUDGET, NOT, NOT A LOT, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T WE HAVE TO TAKE THE CAPITAL BUDGET AND IN ORDER TO HAVE ANY CAPITAL AT ALL GO OUT AND INCUR MORE DEBT? YES. IF, IF DEBT IS EXCLUDED AND WE WERE AS A CITY USING THE EXPENDITURE LIMITATION, WE WOULD HAVE NO CAPACITY FOR, UM, CAPITAL PROJECTS WITHOUT ISSUING DEBT. AND I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO LOOK INTO THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, SCOTTSDALE TELLS ME NO, IT'S NOT EXCLUDED AND THE STATE'S WEBSITE SEEMS TO SAY IT'S NOT EXCLUDED. UM, BUT I, I STILL DON'T FEEL A HUNDRED PERCENT CONFIDENT WITH MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LIMITATIONS. SO, YOU KNOW, BUT E EITHER WAY, I THINK WE ARE IN, IN A PLACE THAT AT LEAST OUR, OUR BUDGET IS AT LEAST FIVE TIMES WHAT, MAYBE SIX, FIVE OR SIX TIMES WHAT THE LIMIT IS FOR THE CITY IF WE WERE TO HAVE TO USE THAT. OKAY, BARBARA. ALL RIGHT, SO THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE TALKING ABOUT REQUIRED FUNCTIONS OF GOVERNMENT AND THE VERSUS THE, THE DEBT LIMIT. OUR REQUIRED FUNCTIONS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE ARE LIKE POLICE OPERATIONS, DEBT SERVICE, MAYBE INCLUDED, MAYBE NOT WASTEWATER, STREETS AND FACILITIES PLANNING AND PERMITTING, CITY ATTORNEY MANAGEMENT, SUPPORT SERVICES, STORM WATER, THESE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE. AND THE CLERK, OBVIOUSLY THESE REQUIRED FUNCTIONS COST ANNUALLY ABOUT 42.4 MILLION. SO THAT'S 2.75 TIMES THE LIMITATION. AND IF WE TAKE DEBT SERVICE OUT OF THAT, THAT'S STILL 33 MILLION, WHICH IS ABOUT 2.1 TIMES. SO EVEN IN OUR ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED FUNCTIONS, WE ARE WELL BEYOND WHAT THE LIMITATION LIMIT WOULD LET US FUND. AND WE HAVE OTHER FUNCTIONS, AND THESE ARE SORT OF THE DESIRABLE THINGS, RIGHT? LIKE WE WANT TO DO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, UM, PUBLIC TRANSIT, WE WANT TO DO PARKS AND RECREATION, SUPER IMPORTANT ARTS AND CULTURE, SHORT TERM RENTALS, HOUSING COMMUNICATIONS, AND OUR TOURISM DEPARTMENT. SO ALL THESE OTHER FUNCTIONS ARE ABOUT 49 MILLION. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE WHOLE THING, AND WE'RE AT ABOUT SIX TIMES THE LIMIT. SO I GO TO THE NEXT, AND BASICALLY IF WE WERE AT THE LIMIT, WE COULD FUND OUR DEBT SERVICE, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE FIRST AND ABOUT 87% OF POLICE OPERATIONS AT THEIR, AT THEIR CURRENT LEVEL. SO, AND IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THAT IN A, IN A MORE HOLISTIC WAY, IT'S ABOUT 17% OF TOTAL CITY OPERATIONS THAT COULD BE COVERED UNDER THE LIMIT. AND I, I DON'T SAY THIS TO BE LIKE, OH MY GOD, THE LIMIT'S SO TERRIBLE. [00:55:01] I THINK THE STATE'S INTENT WITH THE LIMIT IS VERY GOOD. I THINK IT SAYS, HEY, CITIES SHOULD NOT GROW OUT OF CONTROL WITH THEIR BUDGETS. THEY NEED TO KEEP THEIR BUDGETS IN LINE WITH SOMETHING. BUT WHEN YOUR COMMUNITY THAT HAS A SMALL FULL-TIME POPULATION AND A SIGNIFICANT SERVICE OF VISITORS AND COMMUTERS AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING INTO THE COMMUNITY OF SAY, 3 MILLION A YEAR, IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT ANIMAL TO LOOK AT THAT VERSUS A CITY LIKE I, I DON'T KNOW, ONE OF THE, THE FAST GROWING SUBURBS OF PHOENIX THAT THEY HAVE THESE POPULATION GROWTH FACTORS THAT ARE HUGE AND EVEN MOST OF THOSE CITIES EITHER ADOPT HOME RULE OR A PERMANENT BASE ADJUSTMENT, WHICH IS WHERE YOU SAY, OKAY, OUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW IS 105 MILLION, WE'RE GONNA ADOPT A PERMANENT BASE OF 160 SAY, AND SCOTTSDALE DOES THIS WHERE THEY ADOPT A PERMANENT BASE AMOUNT. AND THEN EVERY FEW YEARS WHEN THEY START TO REACH THAT, AND I, I THINK IT'S AT 10 OR SO YEARS, THAT THEY'LL, THEY'LL GET CLOSE TO THAT LIMIT AND THEN THEY'LL ADOPT ANOTHER PERMANENT BASE ADJUSTMENT AND THAT GIVES THEM SORT OF ROOM. AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF IT. I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS THE APPLICATION AS A ONE SIZE FITS ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW IT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE POPULATION AND INFLATION ARE THE DRIVERS. AND I THINK THAT'S NOT THE CASE IN, IN EVERY CITY. AND I THINK IN INFLATION, I THINK THE INFLATION FACTOR IS LOW. I MEAN, I KNOW IT COMES FROM, UH, THE BEA, BUT I STILL THINK IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY ACCOUNT FOR THE REALITY. SO WHAT'S NEXT FOR SEDONA? UM, WE HAVE TO DO EITHER ANOTHER HOME RULE ELECTION OR A PERMANENT BASE ADJUSTMENT ELECTION IF WE WANT AS A CITY NOT TO REVERT TO THAT 15.4. AND I'M ACTUALLY SIGNIFICANTLY AHEAD OF TIME. UM, AND I DON'T THINK ALL OF THE PEOPLE FOR THE WORK GROUP ARE HERE, RIGHT? YEAH. SO WE NEED, WE NEED TO WAIT A MINUTE FOR THE OTHERS AND WELL, WHY DON'T WE DO QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH, BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY ASKED THE QUESTIONS, UH, DURING THE, UH, PRESENTATION ALSO, WE COULD TAKE A BREAK ONE SLOT EARLY IF WE NEED TO TO MAKE SURE THAT ENOUGH OF THE COMMITTEE IS HERE. YEAH. SO, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FOR BARBARA? UH, I SHOULD KNOW THAT I SPEAK FASTER THAN I THINK I DO. NO, ACTUALLY YOU DID. GOOD. DEREK HAS SUZANNE, DEREK, UH, COULD YOU BACK UP A COUPLE OF SLIDES? OKAY, YEAH, THAT ONE. OKAY, SO THIS IS WITH HOME RULE, JUST TO PUT THIS IN REALLY PLAIN TERMS, THEN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. MM-HMM . WITHOUT HOME RULE, ALL THESE SERVICES DISAPPEAR. YES. INCLUDING WHAT, 15% OF THE POLICE BUDGET? IS THAT? YEAH, ROUGHLY CORRECT. OKAY. SO NO HOME RULE IS BASICALLY ANARCHY. IT'S, UM, IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY CHALLENGING. I, THAT WAS SUCCINCT. THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, OPTIONS FOR COUNCILS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION AND WE HAVE TO DO, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN THINGS, BUT ESSENTIALLY THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE ELECTIONS FOR INCREASES. SO HAVING GONE THROUGH HOME RULE SEVERAL TIMES, I THINK SOME OF US ON HERE AS WELL, UH, IT'S INTERESTING THAT WHEN WE WOULD BRING UP THE DISCUSSION OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, PEOPLE WOULD SAY TO US, OH NO, WELL, PARKS AND REC WOULDN'T GO AWAY, OR THIS WOULDN'T GO ARTS AND CULTURE. WELL, THEY, THEY NEVER TOUCH ARTS, ARTS AND CULTURE. THEY, PEOPLE LOVE THAT EITHER WHICH WAY. BUT WHEN WE WOULD SAY THAT ALL THESE ESSENTIAL SERVICES WOULD GO AWAY, NOBODY WOULD BELIEVE US. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN A SLIDE LIKE THIS THAT REALLY HIGHLIGHTS WHAT WILL GO AWAY. AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN THAT. AND, AND I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S WAY MORE OF A LOSS THAN I WOULD THINK. AND, UM, YEAH, AND I ALSO WANT TO ASK ONE MORE THING IF SO, HOME RULE EVERY FOUR YEARS, BUT A PERMANENT BASE ADJUSTMENT IS, IT'S ONGOING. IT'S NOT EVERY FOUR YEARS UNTIL WE GET TO THAT POINT. AND YBA COUNTY JUST MOVED THEIR PERMANENT BASE ADJUSTMENT UP BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE SERVICES THE PAST YEAR OR SO. I DON'T HAVE A LIST OF WHAT THOSE SERVICES ARE, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY REALLY NEED, THEY NEEDED TO BOOST THAT NUMBER UP BECAUSE, UH, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY OUR LIBRARY WAS CUT THEIR FUNDING FOR OUR LIBRARY AND OTHER [01:00:01] SERVICES. BUT, UH, AND THAT'S JUST ANECDOTAL. I HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WOULD GO AWAY. UH, MELISSA? THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEARD DURING THE LAST, UH, HOME RULE ELECTION WAS, UM, FOR NO HOME RULE WAS THAT, UH, THAT WAY RESIDENTS CAN JUST GET A REFERENDUM ON A BALLOT EVERY TIME THE CITY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WANT TO ASK TO THE CLERK IS, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT UNLESS THERE'S ALREADY AN ELECTION GOING OUT STATEWIDE, UM, REFERENDUM ELECTION SPECIAL ELECTIONS ARE NOT FREE. AND SO I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT THE COST WAS. SO PEOPLE ARE AWARE THAT ANYTIME THEY WANT THE CITY TO ASK THEM FOR PERMISSION, THERE IS A FEE. AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE BUDGET REQUEST IN THE REFERENDUM WOULD HAVE TO COVER THAT COST. MADAM CLERK, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY. MY GUESS WOULD BE BETWEEN, IT COULD BE 25,000 TO 30,000 FOR AN ELECTION. SO I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE. I'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, AT THAT TIME WE'D FIGURE THAT OUT FROM THE COUNTY AND WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE BETWEEN YAVAPAI AND COCONINO. BUT I'M ADDING THAT INTO THE BUDGET EACH YEAR NOW GOING FORWARD IN CASE THERE IS A SPECIAL ELECTION. SO ON THAT, AND MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY THIS, UH, MADAM CLERK WOULD BE, IF THERE'S AN ONGOING ELECTION, WE, UH, WITH COPI, WE WOULD SHARE IN THE COURSE OF THE MAILING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THE, THE COST OF THAT. BUT IF THERE'S NO ELECTION GOING ON, WE NEED TO DO A SPECIAL ELECTION, WE WOULD BEAR THE ENTIRE FRONT. I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THERE'S, THERE ARE ELECTIONS IN THE OFF YEAR THAT GO ON THAT ARE CONSOLIDATED. SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE TIMING OF COURSE, AND WHEN THAT WOULD BE. BUT WE DO GET DISCOUNTED RATES FROM THE COUNTIES. OKAY. SO I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT WE WOULD BEAR A HUNDRED PERCENT COST. OKAY. MELISSA, ARE YOU DONE? BECAUSE DEREK HAS A QUESTION. OKAY. DEREK, GO AHEAD. I, UNLESS A QUESTION THAT COMMENT, CAN YOU DO THE, GO BACK TO THE GO BACK ONE SLIDE. THE ANARCHY SLIDE? YEAH. THE ANARCHY SLIDE, UH, COUNSEL AND CLERK, UM, ARE, ARE GONE. SO HOW DO WE HAVE THE SPECIAL ELECTION IF WE'RE NOT FUNDING A WELL THAT'S, THAT'S MELISSA'S POINT. CITY CLERK. THERE'S NO CLERK. IT'S REALLY VALID BECAUSE THE REALITY IS LIKE YOU WOULD PROBABLY, ASSUMING DEBT SERVICES INCLUDED, WHICH I BELIEVE IT IS, YOU WOULD PROBABLY END UP CUTTING POLICE WAY, WAY, WAY DOWN. YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE COUNSEL AND CLERK. YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN THINGS. AND WHEN YOU PUT ALL THOSE HAVE TOS, IT'S SO MUCH MORE THAN THAT LIMIT. IT'S LIKE, HOW DO YOU PRIORITIZE? WE KNOW WE HAVE TO HAVE KURT AND ANNETTE AND THE COUNSEL AND THE CLERK, RIGHT? SO MAYBE THE POLICE BUDGET'S 40%. YEAH, I MEAN IT REALLY IS LIKE, HOW DO YOU THEN SAY, OKAY, WE HAVE TO REDUCE OUR BUDGET FROM A HUNDRED PERCENT TO LESS THAN 17. AND I, I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE, THE KEY IS THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A REASONABLE WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN WITHOUT HAVING MASSIVE IMPACTS CITYWIDE. I MEAN, I DON'T, WE WOULD NEVER MOW GRASS EVER AGAIN. WE WOULD, I I MEAN THAT SOUNDS HORRIBLE, BUT THE REALITY IS LIKE PARKS AND RECREATION BECOMES A NICE THING THAT YOU CAN'T DO. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT ARE, ARE IMPORTANT I THINK TO THIS COMMUNITY, LIKE HAVING PUBLIC TRANSIT, MANAGING OUR OWN TOURISM, THOSE, THOSE THINGS, UH, WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING WE COULD DO. THIS IS REALLY TELLING, UH, VICE MAYOR AND THEN KATHY, EVERYBODY'S FOCUSED ON HOME RULE. BUT I'M NOT, I MEAN, I AM, BUT I'M NOT FOR THIS QUESTION. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS TOMORROW, AND YOU AND I HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT A LITTLE BIT. I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE REVENUE FORECAST AND UH, I THINK I HAVE MORE CONCERN ABOUT THE POTENTIAL REVENUE FALLOUT FROM, UH, A LOSS OF TOURISM. AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE OUR REVENUE BASED ON A, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE, IT'S STILL A PERCENTAGE HIGHER THAN THE ACTUALS OF FY 25. SO TOMORROW WE'LL BE ABLE TO PLAY AROUND WITH, IF WE LOWER THE FORECAST, THIS WILL BE THE RESULT. ABSOLUTELY. IN VARIOUS SCENARIOS. YEAH. AB ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE THE, THE WHOLE SCENARIO THING FROM MUNI CAST THAT WE USE [01:05:01] AND WE CAN ADJUST REVENUES, ADJUST EXPENDITURES, HOWEVER, HOWEVER WE WANT TO. OKAY, THANK YOU. YEAH, THAT SHOULD BE FUN. OKAY, BRIAN AND THEN KATHY YOGA. OH, I THOUGHT YOU SAID ME. AND THEN, THEN KATHY. KATHY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO ON THE HOME RULE, DOOMSDAY SCENARIO, UM, THIS IS POLICE OPERATIONS. LEMME BACK UP. I'M PHRASE THIS A DIFFERENT WAY. THERE IS A BILL PENDING AT THE MOMENT. THERE IS A BILL, UM, HB 2, 2, 2, 1, LAW ENFORCEMENT DEFUNDING PROHIBITION. IF THAT BILL PASSES AND GETS TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK AND FOR SOME REASON WOULD BE SIGNED, WHICH I WOULD VERY MUCH HOPE THAT OUR GOVERNOR WOULD NOT BECAUSE OF THE BURDEN THAT THIS WOULD PUT ON MUNICIPALITIES, AND I THINK SHE WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT. UM, BUT THIS WOULD PREVENT, AS YOU SAID BEFORE, IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THE CLERK'S OFFICE, THAT, THAT A COUNCIL EXISTS, THAT THERE'S ANY MINIMAL AMOUNT OF PARKS AND RECREATION FUNDING. WE WOULD HAVE TO CUT THINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, ELSEWHERE. SO POLICE WOULD HAVE TO BE BROUGHT DOWN SINCE IT'S SUCH A HUGE PART OF THE BUDGET SIGNIFICANTLY TO FUND OTHER NECESSARY COMPONENTS. HOWEVER, IF THIS BILL PASSED, WE WOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM DECREASING FUNDING IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO WE WOULD THEN BE SADDLED WITH THAT TOO. AM I STATING THAT CORRECTLY? SO, SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS, THE, THE HOME RULE IS A CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT AND THAT'S A LEGISLATIVE REQUIREMENT. SO I THINK THE CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT WOULD TRUMP. UM, AND SO SOME REDUCTION WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE ALLOWED. UM, HOW MUCH WOULD BE UP TO, UH, COURT AND, AND I DON'T, I, OKAY. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, I, YOU KNOW, DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THAT YOUR ANSWER ON THAT. ONLY BECAUSE THIS WOULD PROHIBIT, YES, IT'S A STATE. THE CONSTITUTION'S STILL GONNA SAY YOU HAVE TO MAKE, YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS PROTECTED, SO THEREFORE THE SYSTEM GOES INTO PLACE. BUT THEN THERE'S THIS OTHER ARM SAYING, EXCEPT THAT YOU CANNOT GO HERE TO CUT YOUR, YOU KNOW, TO CUT THE, TO TRIM THE FAT SO THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT THESE OTHER THINGS. I DON'T SEE THEM AS RELATED. I DON'T, I, AND I THINK THAT'S MY PROBLEM TRYING TO POINT OUT RIGHT. ARM DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE LEFT ARM IS DOING IN TERMS OF THE STATE GOVERNMENT ON THESE ISSUES. HOPEFULLY WE NEVER GET TO THAT POINT. JUST, WELL, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S LOOMING. IT IS LOOMING COUNCIL. SO THAT'S A VALID CONCERN. I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT THE CITY'S ARGUMENT WOULD BE BECAUSE, UH, OF THE, IF WE WERE LOST THE HOME RULE, AND THEREFORE THERE WAS A, THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE LIMITATION DROP DOWN TO 15 MILLION, THE CITY COULD DO ACROSS THE BOARD CUTS AND ALL THE DEPARTMENTS TO GET DOWN TO THE 15 MILLION OF SIMILAR SIZE. AND I THINK THAT WOULD, THAT REQUIREMENT, CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT WOULD TRUMP, UM, A LEGISLATIVE REQUIREMENT. 'CAUSE THE, THAT BILL IS NOT GOING IN, YOU KNOW, INTO THE CONSTITUTION. BUT THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY AND COULD BE LITIGATED. SO, OKAY. VICE MAYOR ON THIS TOPIC, JUST ON THIS TOPIC, I WAS COMMUNICATING WITH KATHY SENSEMAN A FEW MINUTES AGO ON THIS SUBJECT, ACTUALLY. AND SO WHAT SHE'S, THAT'S OUR LOBBYIST FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW. AND WHAT SHE SAID WAS THAT, UH, SHE SAYS IT PASSED THE HOUSE, BUT IT WAS AMENDED. SO IT HAS TO GO BACK TO THE SENATE FOR, UM, A DO, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH THE AMENDMENT. SO IT ACTUALLY HAS PASSED BOTH CHAMBERS, BUT IT WAS AMENDED IN THE HOUSE. SO THE SENATE HAS TO ADOPT THAT AMENDMENT. UH, SHE SAID THAT SHE CANNOT SEE THE GOVERNOR SIGNING THIS, HOWEVER IT IS LIKELY IT'S GONNA COME TO HER DESK. SO WE'LL KNOW, WE'LL KNOW WHETHER SHE DOES OR SHE DOESN'T SHORTLY. RIGHT. SO WE CAN FACTOR THAT INTO CONSIDERATION IF WE HAVE TO. OKAY. BRIAN, THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, BARBARA OR WHOEVER KNOWS THEIR, THE ANSWER, 'CAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE PAST, BUT ON THIS HOME RULE THING, UM, IF HOME RULE FAILED, YOU COULDN'T GET THE VOTERS TO APPROVE AN OVERRIDE. SO THEN YOU'RE INTO THESE EXTREME AUSTERITY MEASURES. WHAT HAPPENS WITH ALL THE MONEY WE'RE COLLECTING , IT STAYS IN THE BANK AND WE CONTINUE TO COLLECT IT. YOUR AUTHORITY TO COLLECT THE TAXES DOESN'T GO AWAY. AND THAT WAS THE SITUATION YAVAPAI COUNTY WAS IN AND COCONINO WHERE THEY WERE COLLECTING REVENUES THAT THEY COULD NOT SPEND. AND THAT BANK ACCOUNT WAS JUST GROWING. UM, AND THAT WAS HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE TO THE TAX PAYERS THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE A TAX INCREASE. ALL IT'S DOING IS ALLOWING THEM [01:10:01] TO ACCESS MONEY THEY'VE ALREADY COLLECTED. SO THERE'S NO, UM, TAX RELIEF, SO TO SPEAK TO THE TAXPAYERS OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS PASSES. THOSE COLLECTIONS WILL STILL HAPPEN. OKAY. AND THEN ISN'T THERE ALSO ANOTHER AVAILABLE STRATEGY THAT YOU CAN PUT TO THE LOCAL VOTERS, A PBA, A PERMANENT BASE ADJUSTMENT AND HOME RULE IN THE SAME ELECTION? YOU DID THAT QUESTION. YES, WE DID THAT. YEAH. BEFORE YEAH, WE DID. YOU DID? YEAH. WHAT AND THE PBA FAILED. YEAH. BUT HOME RULE SUCCEEDED. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S KIND OF COUNTERINTUITIVE BECAUSE THE, BECAUSE THE PBA WAS SO LOW. OH. THAT IT WAS GONNA BE USELESS. WE DIDN'T PBA, IT WAS A CITIZENS INITIATIVE. INITIATIVE. OH. THEY WANTED IT VERY LOW. OKAY. OKAY. GOT IT. IT WAS HIGHER THAN 15 MILLION. IT WAS 30 MILLION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT WAS HIGHER THAN 15 MILLION, BUT IT WASN'T ENOUGH TO FUND THE GOVERNMENT. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN LAST QUESTION FOR BARBARA, IN THE TIME THAT YOU HAVE ALLOTTED FOR THE, THE CITIZEN BUDGET WORK GROUP, DOES THAT INCLUDE TIME FOR COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE GROUP MADE? NOT INVOLVING BUDGET ITEMS THEMSELVES, BUT THE OTHER COMMENTS AROUND, YOU KNOW, PROCESS, THINGS LIKE THAT? BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT A NUMBER OF THOSE REMARKS WERE WORTHY OF OUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. AND JUST I'M WONDERING WHETHER WE HAVE, ARE GONNA HAVE TIME FOR THAT AB ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. SO, BRIAN, TO THAT, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO START ACCORDING TO SCHEDULED NINE 40. IF WE START AT NINE 20, WELL, NO, IT'S ALREADY CLOSE TO, BUT EVEN NINE 30, THAT WILL GIVE US AN ADDITIONAL 10 MINUTES. AND I THINK THAT I, I AGREE. I WANT TO GIVE THEM AS MUCH TIME OR EXTRA TIME THAT WE CAN, SO THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER WAY. SO DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OTHERWISE, WE'LL TAKE A BREAK NOW AND RECONVENE EVEN IF WE DO IT AT, UH, 9 25, 9 30. WHAT'S THE COUNCIL'S, UH, APPETITE? OKAY. WHY DON'T WE DO, UH, NINE 30. NINE 30? OKAY. WE'LL WE RECONVENE THEN. THANK YOU. EXTRA BREAK TIME RATHER THAN EXTRA CONVERSATION TIME. WOULD THAT BE A 10 MINUTES CUP? WHAT, WHAT LOOK IS THAT [3.d. Community Input ] OKAY. NOW FOR THE BUDGET WORK GROUP, AS YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM, WOULD YOU JUST SAY YOUR NAME? SO, BECAUSE WE ARE ON CAMERA AND WE WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW WHO'S, I MEAN, I KNOW YOUR, THE INFORMATION'S IN THE BOOK, BUT I WANT THE PEOPLE TO PUT A NAME WITH THE FACE. SO IS EACH ONE OF YOU COME UP? IF YOU COULD DO THAT, I'D APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. MY NAME IS JOLENE PEARSON, AND I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING THE FIRST PART OF THE, UM, PRESENTATION TODAY. UM, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE. CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? ARE YOU NOT HEARING? IS THAT OKAY NOW? PERFECT. OKAY. SHALL I START OVER? ? THAT'S OKAY. TAKE YOUR TIME. TAKE A DEEP BREATH. MY NAME'S JOLENE PEARSON. UM, I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA FOR 20 YEARS, OWNED PROPERTY HERE FOR 35 YEARS, AND MY PARENTS CAME, UH, BUT I DIDN'T GET TO STAY ALL THAT TIME, BUT IN THE 1960S. SO I HAVE A LONG HISTORY WITH SEDONA. UM, ANOTHER MEMBER OF OUR COMMITTEE IS, WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK TODAY, IS CHRISTIAN EATON CHRISTIAN. WOULD YOU STAND, UM, CHRISTIAN'S BEEN HERE FOR EIGHT YEARS. AND, UM, ANOTHER, THE THIRD PERSON WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK IS ED KETTLER. ED, WOULD YOU STAND? ED'S BEEN HERE FOR 20 YEARS. TWO. TWO YEARS. SORRY. I WAS LOOKING AT CAROL'S, UM, NUMBER AND CAROL BREEN, WOULD YOU STAND? UM, SHE HAS BEEN HERE FOR 20 YEARS, NOT TWO. UM, THE OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR COMMITTEE WERE BOB LEWIS, WHO'S BEEN HERE FOR FIVE YEARS. UM, CHRIS FORMANT, WHO'S BEEN HERE FOR EIGHT. LINDSEY SACHS, THREE YEARS, UH, SCOTT LAW, 18 YEARS, AND JOHN BUSIER 28 YEARS. SO, UM, AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE A LOT OF, UM, UH, RANGE IN TIME, UM, HAVE OF HAVING BEEN HERE. AND WE ALSO HAVE A, A BIG RANGE IF, UM, EXPERIENCE AND, UM, EXPERTISE. WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF THE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA. UM, THIS MORNING [01:15:01] I WAS THINKING ABOUT EXERCISE AND I FIND IT'S A LOT EASIER TO THINK ABOUT EXERCISE THAN TO ACTUALLY DO IT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE EXERCISE IS WE EXERCISE PHYSICALLY, WE EXERCISE MENTALLY. UM, WE HAVE EXERCISED OUR, UM, CITIZENSHIP, UH, DUTIES. AND IT WILL BE UP TO THE COUNCIL TO EXERCISE THEIR AUTHORITY AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO, UM, PASS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. WE HOPE THAT OUR DELIBERATIONS HAVE NOT BEEN AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY. UM, WE GAVE THIS A LOT OF THOUGHT, UH, NOT ONLY DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS, BUT ALSO OUTSIDE THE DISCUSSION TIME AND, UM, WE WERE SERIOUS ABOUT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WITH THAT, UM, IF WE COULD HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UH, CONSENT ITEMS THAT, UM, THE CITIZENS BUDGET COMMITTEE OR WORK GROUP RANKED. YES. AND ALSO WERE RANKED YES BY THE CITY MANAGER. SO I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THOSE THINGS. UM, YOU'VE ALL HAD THIS PACKET AHEAD OF TIME FOR ABOUT A MONTH, AND, UH, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THE POINT, BUT THERE WERE MANY, UM, DECISIONS THAT WERE UNANIMOUS AMONG THE, UM, GROUP AND ALSO THAT THE CITY MANAGER CONCURRED WITH OUR DECISION, OR OF COURSE SHE MADE HER DECISION INDEPENDENTLY, BUT IT WAS THE SAME DECISION. SO WE ARE, THEY WERE NOT GOING TO GO OVER ALL OF THAT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAID NO ABOUT WAS THE, UM, SU NUMBER 48, THE SUSTAINABILITY PROCURED PRODUCT AND WASTE AUDIT. UM, IT WAS OUR THOUGHT THAT EACH DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE, UM, COGNIZANT OF SUSTAINABILITY WITHIN THEIR OWN AREA AND DO WHAT THEY CAN TO PROMOTE AND ENSURE SUSTAINABILITY. UM, THE POLICE, UM, ITEM NUMBER 55, THE TESLA, WE SAID NO, AND THAT WAS PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, A LOT HAS HAPPENED ABOUT TESLA SINCE THEN, SO IT WAS PROBABLY A REALLY GOOD THING. UM, PUBLIC WORKS. UM, THE ITEM 58, THE MUNICIPAL POWER WASH CLEANING, WE THOUGHT THAT, UH, WE SHOULD EXPLORE USING EXISTING STAFF TO DO THAT RATHER THAN CONTRACTING WITH SOMEBODY TO COME AND DO POWER WASHING. SO, UM, THERE WERE NOT A LOT OF, UM, DETAILS THAT, UM, THAT YOU NEEDED TO HEAR ABOUT FOR THOSE ITEMS. UM, ITEM 18, THE IT VEHICLE FOR REMOTE, UM, LOCATIONS, WE SAID, YEAH, THEY NEED A VEHICLE, BUT IT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE ELECTRIC. IT SHOULD BE EITHER GAS OR HYBRID, AND THE CITY SHOULD BUY IT, NOT LEASE IT, UNLESS OF COURSE THERE'S A MUCH BETTER ECONOMIC REASON FOR LEASING RATHER THAN BUYING. IT WOULD BE, UM, PROBABLY MORE APPLICABLE TO LEASE AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE THAN, UM, THAN A GAS OR HYBRID. JOLENE, CAN YOU JUST HOLD FOR ONE SECOND? THE CITY MANAGER WANTS TO JUMP IN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I DID WANNA LET THE WORK GROUP KNOW THAT I DID. UM, YOU'LL SEE TOMORROW IN MY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I DID AGREE WITH THIS ONE. UM, IT WILL BE PURCHASED OUTRIGHT AND, UM, A GAS VEHICLE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE REMOTE LOCATIONS THAT THEY NEED TO GO TO SERVICE WHERE OUR TOWERS ARE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . OKAY. CONTINUE ON. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, NUMBER 10, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. WE HAD A LOT OF CONCERN, UM, ABOUT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PROGRAM. UM, LOST THE MIC. SORRY, [01:20:02] THIS MIC OVER A LITTLE, MAYBE THAT'LL HELP. UM, ONE IS WE THINK THAT THE POOR STAFF PERSON IS EXTREMELY OVERWORKED AND OVERSTRESSED, SO WE RECOMMENDED THAT, UM, SHE GET SOME HELP. UM, PROBABLY TWO FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES TO HELP WITH THAT. UM, WE NEED, UM, A SUSTAIN, WE NEED A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THAT DEPARTMENT AND IT NEEDS MUCH BETTER TECHNOLOGY, UM, TECHNOLOGY THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO PULL, UM, DATA FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PLATFORM ABOUT COMPLAINTS, ABOUT NOISE, GARBAGE LIGHTS, UM, AND, UM, OTHER, YOU KNOW, ILLEGAL OCCUPANCY IF THERE LIKE 25 PEOPLE IN A HOUSE. UM, WE DIDN'T THINK THAT PURSUING, UH, ENFORCEMENT OF SEX OFFENDER REGISTRATION OR NO NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION WAS, WAS WORTH DOING. I MEAN, THEY DON'T DO THAT IN HOTELS, SO, UM, AND HER, UM, HER TIME IS REALLY LIMITED. SO WE FOCUS ON THE PUBLIC NUISANCES. UH, FOCUS ON, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ANNOY CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE NEAR THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. UM, IF THERE IS MORE OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW ABOUT THOSE INCIDENTS AND ENFORCE AND CAN PENALIZE PERHAPS FINE, UM, THEN WE THINK THAT'S WHERE THE FOCUS SHOULD BE ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. UM, PUBLIC WORKS, TWO FULL-TIME TRAFFIC CONTROL ASSISTANCE, THOSE WOULD BE MOTORCYCLE POLICE? NO. UH, OKAY. CROSSING GUARDS, SORRY. UM, WE WONDERED IF MAYBE THERE WOULD BE, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO REASSIGN PEOPLE IF THE CROSSWALK AT TO LOCKY P WAS NOT AN OP A, A CONCERN ANYMORE. UM, AND SO WE SAID NO, WE, WE DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR THAT, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, THE CITY OWNS PROPERTY FOR DEVELOPMENT AND WE FEEL THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE UTILIZED BEFORE THE CITY BUYS ANYMORE PROPERTY. UM, MUCH OF THE CITY PROPERTY THAT IS AVAILABLE PERHAPS FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT WAY IS ALREADY IN AN AREA WHERE THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE. THE POLICE ARE ALREADY THERE, THE FIRE IS ALREADY THERE, WOULD BE MUCH MORE SENSIBLE THAN TO START AT SOME PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS. EXCUSE MY VOICE. I, MY ALLERGIES ARE DRIVING ME NUTS TODAY. I FEEL YOUR PAIN. . OKAY, NEXT. UM, THESE ARE ITEMS THAT THE CITY MANAGERS SAID NO, AND WE SAID YES. UM, THE UTILITY LOCATIONS SPECIALISTS AND INSPECTOR, UM, IF WE SAID NO, BUT IF THERE'S A BACKLOG, IT SHOULD BE FILLED. MIGHT BE DEPENDENT ON A SUCCESSION PLAN. UH, THE FACILITIES PLAN CONSULTANT, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LAST PLAN WAS DONE OR WHETHER IT'S BEEN UPDATED THAT WE FELT THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT FIRST BEFORE WE CONTRACTED FOR A NEW PLAN. CONSULTANT PARKS AND RECREATION, THE SECURITY CAMERAS IN THE POSSE GROUNDS PARK. UM, WE FELT THAT $13,000 WAS A, A VERY REASONABLE EXPENSE FOR THE CAMERAS TO IMPROVE THE SECURITY AND TO DETER VANDALISM, PROBABLY ONE VANDALISM INCIDENT WOULD COST $13,000 TO RECTIFY. NEXT, PLEASE, IF I MIGHT JUST CLARIFY [01:25:01] ON THAT PLEASE. PARTICULAR DECISION PACKAGE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, THE REASON I SAID NO IS, UH, BECAUSE WE PULLED IT OUT AND FUNDED IT IN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET, UM, BECAUSE WE HAD THE FUNDING TO DO IT THIS YEAR. THAT'S GREAT. YEAH. YEAH. SO I DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT, I DON'T WANT CAMERAS IN THE PARK FOR VANDALISM, BUT WE FOUND THE MONEY IN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET, SO IT WASN'T NECESSARY TO. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY, GREAT. SO, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, HAVE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, AND SO ON AT THE END, BUT, UM, THIS IS THE BASIS OF MY PART OF THIS, UH, PRESENTATION. WE THOUGHT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ONE PERSON DO IT ALL. SO I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE NEXT PRESENTER, CHRISTIAN. AND THERE YOU ARE. AND I'M JUST GONNA MOVE MY STUFF. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. SO WE WANTED TO COME WITH SOME EYES OF LOOKING AT SOME THINGS THROUGH PRIOR BUDGET WORK GROUPS AND SEE THINGS THAT WERE, UM, STACKING UP OVER TIME. THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO, UH, COUNCIL IN THE PAST. UM, AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST ITEMS THAT WAS BEEN BROUGHT UP REPETITIVELY WAS FIRE PREVENTION AND PREPAREDNESS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THAT IS, UM, EVERYONE REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS ON PREVENTION. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN COORDINATOR COME INTO EXISTENCE THIS YEAR. UM, AND WE HOPE THAT A LARGE PART OF THE ROLE WOULD BE ON PREVENTION AND WORKING ACROSS AGENCIES WITH THE FOREST SERVICE IN WHATEVER'S POSSIBLE TO WORK ON PREVENTION ISSUES AS OPPOSED TO FOCUS SOLELY ON HOW DO WE EVACUATE PEOPLE WHEN THE EMERGENCY ARISES. UM, AND I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY ON THE MINDS OF A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TOWN, ESPECIALLY GIVEN CURRENT EVENTS ACROSS THE WEST. UM, BUT YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO HONE THAT POINT IN THAT IT, A LOT OF US, EVERYBODY REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON PREVENTION, UM, WHICH WOULD BE HAPPENING THROUGH CROSS AGENCIES, THROUGH A PS WORK AND THROUGH FOREST SERVICE WORK. AND WE HOPE THAT THAT'S PART OF THAT, UM, DELEGATION OF THAT ROLE, UM, FOR PLANNING AND PERMITTING. UH, THERE'S A CONSENSUS GENERALLY ALONG GROUP MEMBERS AND ALSO, UM, IN THE PAST HOW MAYBE WE'RE NOT QUANTIFYING PERFORMANCE METRICS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF STORIES, UH, ANECDOTAL STORIES OF PEOPLE EITHER GETTING, YOU KNOW, ASSIGNED PERMIT OR DIFFERENT KINDS OF BUILDING PERMITS AND IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, A HOLE THAT THEY CAN'T GET THROUGH. UM, AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS MORNING I WAS THINKING WHILE THE INTENTION MAY BE GOOD, BUT THE OUTCOME MAY NOT BE AS GOOD, RIGHT? LIKE WE WANT, WE, WE INTEND WELL WITH, WITH THE PROGRAM, BUT ARE THE PERFORMANCE METRICS, LIKE HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR A PERMIT TO GET APPROVED? UM, AND HOW MANY REDRAFTS HAVE TO HAPPEN, THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, IT JUST SEEMS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ANECDOTAL STORIES AMONGST PEOPLE THAT THAT IS NOT, UM, THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT GENERALLY HAPPY WITH REGARD TO THAT. SO, AND THEN TRAILS MANAGER, THIS IS ANOTHER CROSS, UM, AGENCY ROLE THAT WE THINK IS VERY USEFUL, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR TOWN, GIVEN OUR ECONOMIC DRIVER. UM, YOU KNOW, WE SPEND, UH, I MEAN WE GET A LOT OF OUR, UM, INCOME THROUGH TOURISM THAT COME HERE TO UTILIZE THE TRAILS ALMOST PRIMARILY. UM, AND WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE A ROLE IN THE CITY GOVERNMENT THAT ADVOCATES WITH THE, UH, AGENCIES AND LIKE THE US FOREST SERVICE AND OTHER AGENCIES TO IMPROVE THOSE TRAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT CAN SORT OF LEAD THOSE PROJECTS, UM, AND COORDINATE WITH, WITH THE FOREST SERVICE, CONSIDERING IT IS PROBABLY OUR LARGEST ECONOMIC DRIVER. NEXT SLIDE NOW FOR TALENT MANAGEMENT. UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN VERY CLEAR IN THE PAST, LIKE REPEATEDLY. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL HAS TAKEN ON IN VARIOUS YEARS THROUGH STUDIES OF, YOU KNOW, SALARY STUDIES AND ET CETERA. UM, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AFFECTING THE CHANGE THAT IS DESIRED. UM, WE STILL HAVE WHAT WE ALL CONSIDER A HIGH TURNOVER RATE, UM, WHEN THE CITY EMPLOYS. SO I THINK THE BIGGEST POINT HERE IS THAT THIS CITY HAS ALL THE RESOURCES IT NEEDS TO RETAIN THEIR EMPLOYEES AS BEST THEY CAN. AND I JUST, I THINK GENERALLY, UM, [01:30:01] WITH OUR GROUP, WE DON'T FEEL THAT THE TURNOVER RATE, THAT PERCENTAGE BEING THAT HIGH ISN'T REFLECTIVE OF A CITY THAT HAS ALL THE RESOURCES THEY NEED TO, UM, RETAIN EMPLOYEES. I THINK THE GOAL HERE IS WE SHOULD BE AN ORGANIZATION. WE SHOULD STRIVE TO BE AN ORGANIZATION THAT NO ONE EVER WANTS TO LEAVE, UM, OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES. SO I THINK THIS GOES SIMILAR HAND IN HAND WITH, UM, PERFORMANCE METRICS, BUT, UM, UNDERSTANDING THE WORKFLOWS AND BOTTLENECKS AND THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THERE IN ORDER TO BE EFFICIENT WITHIN THE CITY GOVERNMENT AND ORGANIZATION. SO WE WANNA ALSO HOLD STAFF ACCOUNTABLE FOR BEING CUSTOMER FOCUSED. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, NOW FOR HOUSING, UH, OBVIOUSLY I THINK THAT'S A BIG TOPIC HERE IN THIS TOWN AND CERTAINLY THE SUN, THE BUDGET WORK GROUP COMMITTEE HAS A LOT OF IDEAS ON WHAT CAN BE DONE. AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS THAT EMPLOY HOUSING COULD BE A REALLY AMAZING TOOL THAT WE COULD UTILIZE IN TERMS OF RETENTION AND EMPLOYEE RETENTION. UM, THERE'S MORE INFORMATION IN THERE, BUT WE FEEL THAT THAT IS ONE OF THE BIG BOTTLENECKS IN TERMS OF, UM, RETAINING EMPLOYEES IS HOUSING. AND I THINK WE ALL ARE AWARE OF THAT, BUT WITH ALL OF THESE HOUSING PROJECTS, POTENTIALLY ONE OF THEM CAN BE, UM, EARMARKED FOR EMPLOYEE HOUSING SPECIFICALLY. UM, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO I'VE SEEN OTHER TOWNS PERMIT, UM, LIKE RUBBER STAMP A DU PERMITS, SO THEY COULD HAVE FREE PLANS FOR BUILDING ADU SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO, UM, GET A DRAFTSMAN AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO SPEND ALL THIS MONEY UP FRONT IN ORDER TO GET PERMITS. THE CITY CAN JUST PROVIDE PERMITS FOR ADUS THAT THE CITIZENS CAN THEN JUST TAKE AND HAVE A BUILDER BUILD. THAT'S ANOTHER IDEA THAT I'VE SEEN IN OTHER CITIES THAT ARE TRYING TO INCREASE A DU USAGE AS WELL. UM, NOW ED IS GONNA COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE BUDGETING AND SOME OTHER ISSUES. YEAH, YOU CAN. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. ED, WOULD YOU BRING THE MIC UP CLOSER TO YOU? OKAY. I'M REALLY TOLD THAT I'M TOO QUIET. YEAH, SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED THE MIC UP. YEAH. UH, ED KETTLER AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR VISITING THE CI CITIZENS', UH, WORKING GROUP ON THE BUDGET. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL AND MAYOR, THE CITY STAFF, HERE'S THE CITIZEN'S PERSPECTIVE. 'CAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SEDONA BETTER JUST LIKE YOU DO. UM, WE LOOKED AT THE CURRENT PROCESS FOR THE BUDGET REVIEW AND WE HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. ONE OF THE FIRST ONES IS IT'S TOO NARROWLY FOCUSED. OUR GROUP WAS LIKE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET THROUGH A SODA STRAW. WE DIDN'T GET THE WHOLE PICTURE. WE ONLY GOT THE CHANGE PACKAGES OR PROPOSALS. AND IT'S REALLY NOT ENOUGH FOR THE CITIZENS TO NOT UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PIE. WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT A VERY NARROW SLICE OF IT. SO WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE WHOLE BUDGET NEXT YEAR, WHAT'S COMING IN THE CA, WHERE THE CAPITAL PROGRAMS ARE, UH, WHAT STATUS THEY'RE IN, AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE TOTAL VIEW SO WE CAN PROVIDE A BROADER SET OF GUIDANCE AND FEEDBACK TO THIS GROUP. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE SEEMED TO NOTICE WAS ALSO IS THAT THERE WERE NO CLEAR CUT PRIORITIES. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LIST OF THINGS ON THE WEBSITE THAT HAS ALL THESE LIST OF THINGS, BUT THERE'S NO PRIORITY NUMBERS ASSIGNED TO THOSE. WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO US? YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S NUMBER TWO, WHAT'S NUMBER THREE? EVERYTHING CANNOT BE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. SO WHICH ONES, WHEN WE COME INTO THIS BUDGET PROCESS, WHAT ARE THE KEY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED? OKAY. AND SOME OF THE THINGS MAYBE WE DON'T MAKE, WE MAKE FUNDING DECISIONS BASED ON THAT'S NOT AS CRITICAL. WE NEED THAT MONEY OR RESOURCES TO FLOW SOMEWHERE ELSE. UM, SOME OF THE PAST RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE WORKING GROUPS HAVE NOT BEEN, UH, FOCUSED ON OR AT ALL OR IGNORED. UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE US SOME FEEDBACK ON, IF YOU DON'T LIKE OUR DECISIONS, PLEASE TELL US WHY YOU WENT THAT WAY SO WE CAN HELP UNDERSTAND AND GET THAT COMMUNICATION CYCLE GOING. UM, ZERO BASED BUDGETING TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE WORLD THROUGH A SODA STRAW, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MORE OF A WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO DIFFERENT THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR AS OPPOSED TO A CLEAR CUT, LET'S GO BACK TO GROUND ZERO WITH SOME OF THIS, MAYBE A DEPARTMENT A YEAR AND SAY, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? IS IT ADDING BENEFITS? IS IT DOING WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE [01:35:01] DOING? AND MAKE THE CHANGES AND MAKE THE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS THAT WAY. UM, NEXT SLIDE. UH, WHEN WE LOOKED AT, UH, SOME OF THE PERFORMANCE METRICS, ANNETTE, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE? 1200 AND SOMETHING. THERE WAS A HUGE NUMBER OF 'EM. IT IS 600. OKAY. THERE WAS A VERY LARGE NUMBER, BUT THEY'RE NOT CONSISTENT AND PROBABLY NEED TO BE NARROWED DOWN SO THAT BY DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE KEY CUSTOMER SERVICE DELIVERABLES, YOU KNOW, AND, AND FEEDBACK LIKE HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO DO, GET A PERMIT DONE? HOW MANY CYCLES DOES IT TAKE TO GET COMPLETED? BECAUSE THE HIGHER THAT LAST NUMBER IS, THE LOWER THE CUSTOMER SATISFACTION IS. IT'S A FRUSTRATION FACTOR. SO WHAT ARE THE KEY THINGS IN EACH OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT TELL YOU WHETHER THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB CORRECTLY ACCORDING TO THE USERS OF THAT SERVICE? OKAY. UM, LAST ON THIS LIST IS, UH, A CAPITAL PROJECT THAT'S CALLED THE BUS BARN OR THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY. UH, AND WE'RE SPENDING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH FOR A STUDY, BUT WHAT IS THE NEED? OKAY. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT THIS, IT'S, WELL, IT'S INCONVENIENT FOR TWO PEOPLE TO DRIVE TO FLAGSTAFF OR PRECUT OR PHOENIX AND THEN DO REPEAT THE CYCLE TO GO BRING THE VEHICLE BACK. WELL, $20 MILLION BUYS A LOT OF TRIPS AND A LOT OF FRUSTRATION. OKAY? GIVEN THE ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY THAT WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER, THIS THING OUGHT TO BE PARKED. AND UNTIL YOU'VE GOT A BUSINESS PLAN THAT SAYS, I'M GONNA GET THE, THE SEAS, YOU KNOW, CAMP VERDE, VILLE COTTONWOOD CLARKDALE, AND THE VERDE VALLEY ORGANIZED, AND THIS IS A REGIONAL MAINTENANCE FACILITY FOR MULTIPLE MUNICIPALITIES. IT'S, YOU'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY TO NOT P**S OFF A COUPLE OF EMPLOYEES A COUPLE TIMES A MONTH. YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING THIS. THIS ONE OUGHT TO BE PARKED UNTIL YOU'VE GOT A BUSINESS PLAN THAT SAYS IT'S COHERENT. WE CAN SEE THAT WE'RE GONNA GET BENEFIT NOT JUST FOR THE CITY, BUT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. AND YOU'VE GOT BUSINESS PARTNERS SUPPORTING THIS. THIS IS A BAD IDEA. SO, UM, LAST, UM, SLIDE. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US AND UNDERSTANDING OUR PERSPECTIVE AS CITIZENS AND PARTICIPANTS IN THIS GREAT ORGANIZATION. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND ALLOWING US TO SHARE OUR VIEWPOINTS ON HOW TO MAKE SEDONA GREAT. I'M OPEN FOR QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANKS ED. WE'LL START WITH, UH, COUNCILOR FULTZ. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, I'VE GOT A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND PERHAPS SOME COMMENTS. UH, PAGE 50, UH, THAT'S THE STARTS WITH FIRE PREVENTION AND PREPAREDNESS ON THAT PAGE. UM, THE TRAILS MANAGER ROLE, WAS THERE A UNANIMITY AMONGST THE GROUP FOR ADDING THAT ROLE? I SEE HEADS NODDING YES AND NO. THERE WAS, UM, NOT UNANIMOUS. LIKE NOT EVERYBODY WAS WANTING IT, BUT IT ALSO WASN'T LIKE WE DIDN'T TAKE A VOTE ON THAT BECAUSE MAJORITY, YEAH, IT WAS A LARGE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO OCCUR. OKAY. UM, IT WASN'T, WE DIDN'T VOTE ON IT LIKE ALL THESE OTHER ITEMS. OKAY. AND IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT LIKE THIS POSITION WOULD HAVE LITERALLY NO AUTHORITY ON ANYTHING GETTING DONE ON THE NATIONAL FOREST. I, I THINK IT'S A COORDINATOR, RIGHT? AND IT'S LIKE TRYING TO UTILIZE OUR RESOURCES IN OUR TOWN AND PUT A LITTLE BIT OF ECONOMIC INTEREST IN THAT POSITION. THAT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, OKAY. AND THEN ON THE NEXT PAGE UNDER TALENT MANAGEMENT, STOP DOING STUDIES. HOW DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH TO PAY TO RETAIN? HOW MUCH DO WE KNOW TO OFFER TO RECRUIT IF WE DON'T STUDY TO KNOW WHAT THE MARKET RATE IS WHEN THE MARKET KEEPS CHANGING RAPIDLY? I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF HYPERBOLE. UM, I JUST THINK THAT OVERALL WE DIDN'T, IF, IF, IF OUR LAST STUDY DIDN'T REALLY AFFECT THE CHANGE THAT WE'RE HOPING TO AFFECT, WHY IS THIS NEXT STUDY GOING TO, UH, IS DID ANYTHING, DID OUR METHODOLOGY CHANGE? LIKE OUR RETENTION RATE HASN'T IMPROVED GREATLY. UM, YEAH, WE CAN'T IMPROVE. SO, UM, I THINK YEAH, CLEARLY YES STUDIES ARE NEEDED, BUT, UM, WHAT ARE WE DOING DIFFERENTLY THAN OUR LAST STUDY AND THE STUDY BEFORE THAT HASN'T REALLY BEEN EFFECTIVE. I'M ASSUMING THAT GIVEN YOUR FOCUS ON THE BUDGET, YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T DO A STUDY OF THE HR DEPARTMENT AND EVERYTHING THAT IS BEING DONE TO MAKE THIS A DESIRABLE PLACE TO WORK. IS THAT FAIR? LIKE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT THE DIFFERENT INITIATIVES THAT HAVE BEEN EXECUTED ON TO TRY TO MAKE THIS A PLACE THAT PEOPLE WANNA STAY, THAT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT DOLLARS? YEAH. IS THAT, I THINK WE'VE HEARD A FEW THINGS. YOU WHAT? WE DID NOT. [01:40:01] YOU DID NOT. OKAY. YEAH, I MEAN THERE'S, I I GOT THE SENSE FROM LISTENING TO YOU ALL THAT THERE'S SOME INFORMATION. YEAH. YOU DIDN'T GET EVERYTHING THAT MIGHT CHANGE YOUR PERSPECTIVE SOMEWHAT. AND YOU KNOW, JUST TALKING ABOUT METRICS, LIKE IF YOU GO INTO THIS THREE INCH NOW THICK BOOK, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE METRICS IN HERE THAT WOULD LEAD TO SOMEBODY UNDERSTANDING PERHAPS WHAT THE CUSTOMER SERVICE LEVEL IS. BUT I'M GONNA COME BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND BECAUSE I THINK MORE CAN BE DONE ON THAT. AND I DO WANT TO REFER TO THAT IN A MOMENT ON THE NEXT PAGE, UH, ON HOUSING. I BELIEVE THERE WAS A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL THAT HAD GIVEN DIRECTION THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME FORM OF TURNKEY, UH, PROGRAM DEVELOPED FOR ADUS. AND THAT'S A TBD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TBD IS, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THIS BODY, AT LEAST A MAJORITY HAS SAID, YEAH, WE WANNA MAKE THAT AN EASIER, UM, PROGRAM TO, FOR EASIER PROCESS FOR THOSE, UM, DWELLING UNITS TO BE, UH, CONSTRUCTED AND, AND PUT INTO USE. UM, THE NEXT PAGE, UM, INTERESTING OBSERVATIONS, ED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THINGS THROUGH A SODA STRAW. UM, WE GET TO MEET, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE TIMES A MONTH. SO OUR STRAW IS REALLY WIDE, RIGHT? IT'S A FIRE HOSE, IT'S A FIRE HOSE. AND I DO WONDER, UH, BARBARA, YOU KNOW, IS IT REAL? AND, AND ANNETTE, IS IT REAL? HOW REALISTIC IS IT? I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME YOU ALL SPENT ALREADY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SPENDING TWO FULL DAYS RIGHT NOW DIVING IN AND THAT'S ON TOP OF ALL THE OTHER MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THIS WE ALREADY HAVE SOME INKLING OF. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REALISTIC. I'M NOT SAYING I OPPOSE GREATER INFORMATION SHARING FOR THE GROUP GOING FORWARD. I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S A QUESTION OF HOW, HOW DEEP CAN YOU GO? HOW MUCH TIME CAN STAFF DEDICATE TO PROVIDING THAT ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF INFORMATION THAT YOU ALL MIGHT WANT TO HAVE? I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS, BUT I HEAR YOU. UM, ALSO ON THAT PAGE, PAST RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN IGNORED. I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN MY TIME ON, UH, COUNSEL, I'VE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORKING GROUP. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I'M GOING TO AGREE ON ALL OF THEM. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS BODY, WE MAKE OFTENTIMES VERY DIFFICULT DECISIONS AND WE ARE NOT UNANIMOUS ON IT. WE'VE HAD A VERY DIFFICULT TIME ON MONDAY WITH A VERY IMPORTANT PROGRAM AND WE WERE NOT UNANIMOUS. AND, UM, SO THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS AGREED WITH THE BUDGET WORKING GROUP, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO THIS YEAR EITHER, I'M SURE, RIGHT? SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAY, YES, WE'RE GONNA SAY NO AND VICE VERSA. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HEARD AND IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVEN'T BEEN VALUED. 'CAUSE IT REALLY IS A BIG DEAL. I LOVE THAT WE HAVE THIS GROUP. I REALLY DO. AND YOUR INPUT REALLY MATTERS. RYAN, COULD I ADD SOMETHING THERE? MM-HMM . I JUST, I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND RECOGNIZE THAT ALL THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO, 'CAUSE UH, I ATTEND MEETINGS ONLINE AND I KNOW IT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEER EFFORT THAT YOU GUYS DO PUT ON. AND SO THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I DO RECOGNIZE THAT IT DOES COME FROM YOUR GUYS' HEART AND I REC AND I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS GOT ON THERE IS, UM, DURING OUR, MY PAST, UH, BUDGET WORK GROUP COMMITTEE A FEW YEARS AGO, WE RECOMMENDED, YOU KNOW, NINE TO ONE NOT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE SAFE PLACE TO PARK. AND WE KNOW KIND OF WHAT DISASTER THAT WAS. IT ENDED UP BEING, AND SOMETIMES THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. OKAY. UM, THE LAST ITEM ON THAT PAGE, THE, THE ZERO BASED BUDGETING, UH, YES, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SEVERAL OF US HAVE ASKED FOR THAT OR SOME VARIANT THEREOF. I'M NOT SURE WE'RE QUITE GETTING THAT ON THIS, UM, BUDGET PRESENTATION THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO BE ASKING FOR THAT WE GET SOMETHING THAT DOES EXAMINE FROM A BOTTOMS UP PERSPECTIVE WHAT WE'RE DOING SO THAT WE DO HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING FOR THE INVESTMENT WE MAKE IN PEOPLE AND RESOURCES. SO THANK YOU AND PLEASE KEEP POKING US ABOUT THAT ON THE LAST PAGE. UM, THE CONSISTENT PERFORMANCE METRICS, UH, HAVING PERSONALLY GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING A PERMIT TO BASICALLY RECONSTRUCT MY HOUSE, THE METRICS ARE THERE FOR HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET THE PERMIT APPROVED, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE, HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU HAVE TO GO BACK? AND THAT IS REAL. SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO ADD ANOTHER LEVEL TO THE METRICS THAT WE USE THAT WOULD PROVIDE FURTHER INSIGHT INTO WHAT THE CUSTOMER SATISFACTION LEVEL MIGHT JUST BE. SO THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT. AND UH, LASTLY, THE BUS BARN THING. TOTALLY AGREE. GOTTA HAVE A BUSINESS [01:45:01] PLAN. TOTALLY AGREE. THANK YOU. MELISSA, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? UM, JUST A COUPLE THINGS. UM, BRIAN COVERED MOST OF WHAT I HAD. I, I, I THINK AT ONE POINT WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING HOUSING, IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED FROM THE DIOCESE THAT WE LOOK AT WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR CITY WORKERS AND SOME PROGRAM THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. TBDI DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GONNA SEE ANYTHING BACK ON THAT. UM, SO AM I, AM I IMAGINING THAT OR NO, MA'AM. UH, THANK YOU COUNCILOR DUNN FOR THE QUESTION. UH, WHEN, AND I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T HAVE THE, UM, PRIORITIES DOCUMENT IN, IN THE BUDGET, BUT I'LL BRING IT TOMORROW FOR YOU WHEN YOU DO YOUR DISCUSSION AND YOUR DELIBERATION. BUT IN YOUR MOST RECENT PRIORITY SETTING, WHEN YOU RANKED THE, UM, STRATEGIES UNDER THE HOUSING CATEGORY, EMPLOYEE HOUSING, UM, IS ON THAT LIST, BUT IT WAS UH, I BELIEVE LIKE THE THIRD OR THE FOURTH DOWN. UM, BUT I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH RUSS AND WE ARE TALKING INTERNALLY ABOUT WHAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, THAT WAS THE OTHER POINT I WAS GONNA BRING UP WAS WE DID GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF ACTUALLY SAYING NOT EVERYTHING'S A PRY ONE, BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE IN THE PAST WHERE WE HAD SIX PAGES OF PRIORITIES AND NONE OF THEM WERE RANKED AT LEAST NOT EVEN RANKED GENERALLY, BUT RANKED WITHIN A CONCEPT. SO THIS YEAR WE ACTUALLY DID THAT EXERCISE, WE DID RANK THINGS. UM, AND SO IF YOU'RE UNFAMILIAR WITH THEM, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THEM, UM, WHEN YOU UNDER YOU, YOU GO INTO THIS CONTEXT. YEAH, SO THE, UM, NEW PRIORITIES DOCUMENT, UM, THE STAFF IS BUILDING OUT THE DESCRIPTIONS AND EVERYTHING WITHIN THOSE, UM, TOPICS RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THEM INTERNALLY AT THE LEADERSHIP TEAM MEETING, WHICH I BELIEVE IS NEXT WEEK, AND THEN GET IT PUBLISHED ON THE WEBSITE JUST TO FINALIZE ALL THE WORDING AND EVERYTHING. YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE PROBLEM IS TIMING HERE. SO IF WE GO THROUGH THE PRIORITY SETTING, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT AVAILABLE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE BUDGET, NOT AFTER THEY'VE ALREADY HAD TO WALK THROUGH AND DIDN'T REALIZE WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE RANKED PRIORITIES IN DIFFERENT AREAS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MY FEEDBACK AS, AS FAR AS THAT GOES. UM, OTHER THINGS THAT I HAD HERE. UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW, IS IT A REQUIREMENT THAT THE PEOPLE WHO SIT ON THE BUDGET HAVE ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH CITIZENS ACADEMY? NO. AND I'M WONDERING IF IT SHOULD BE, BECAUSE WHEN I HEAR THINGS LIKE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEPARTMENTS DO, WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT SOME OF THESE ACRONYMS MEAN AND WHAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS DO, THAT'S ALL IN THE CITIZENS ACADEMY. SO IT COULD BE THAT THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD, UM, SORT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, OVERVIEW OF WHAT IS HAPPENING INSIDE THIS BUDGET BOOK. IF YOU'VE ACTUALLY, UM, SAT THROUGH, UH, THE COURSE AND I'M, I'M STARING AT KEEGAN RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, BUT IT JUST FEELS TO ME, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF COUNCIL FEELS, BUT IT FEELS LIKE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THIS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITY'S DOING. KAGAN, DO YOU HAVE A FEW WORDS? YES, THANK YOU. COUNSELOR DUNN. TYPICALLY MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS TO RECRUIT FROM OUR PAST CITIZENS ACADEMY. AND THIS YEAR THERE WAS FOUR WHO HAD GONE THROUGH THAT PROGRAM AND TWO, RETURNING FROM PAST BUDGET WORK GROUPS. SO EVERYBODY HERE SHOULD KNOW WHAT ALL THESE DEPARTMENTS DO AND UM, HOW THEY'RE MEASURED AND WHAT A TCA IS AND YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. CSAS AS YOU KNOW, ALL OF THIS, CORRECT, IT WAS FOUR OUT OF NINE WHO HAD BEEN PART OF THE CITIZENS ACADEMY IN THE PAST. SO AS OF NOW, THAT WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT IT CERTAINLY COULD BE. WELL, I JUST, I WOULD JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE, THE COUNCIL FEELS, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD GIVE YOU DIRECTION TO LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL FOR SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO SAT THROUGH THE BUDGET. BARBARA AND I HAVE ALSO BEEN WORKING ON A WAY TO MAKE THIS PROCESS BETTER AND WE JUST REFLECTED ON THAT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. SO THE, THE WORK GROUP WOULD JUST CONTINUE TO GET BETTER. KEEGAN, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO, TO DO SOME KIND OF A HYBRID, UH, UH, ASSISTANCE ACADEMY FOUR, THE BUDGET WORK GROUP WHEN THEY COME ON. SO THEY, EVEN IF YOU DO A, YOU KNOW, SHORTER VERSION FROM EACH DEPARTMENT SO THEY HAVE A BETTER, UH, UNDERSTANDING. 'CAUSE I'M SEEING A LOT OF THINGS IN HERE THAT SEEM TO COME FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS LIKE MELISSA'S TALKING ABOUT. SO THAT MIGHT HELP THEM UNDERSTAND BETTER AND GIVE A, UH, MORE INSIGHTFUL RESULTS. YEAH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BARBARA AND I WERE LOOKING AT FOR FUTURE [01:50:01] YEARS ARE HAVING A CONSISTENT RECURRING WORK GROUP. SO THESE PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE TO LEARN A BUDGET IN EIGHT HOURS. UM, THEY WOULD BE COMING BACK, THEY WOULD HAVE EXPERIENCE IN BUDGETING, NONPROFIT, UM, FINANCE, UM, WHICH MOST OF THESE PEOPLE DO, BUT WE WERE THINKING IT COULD BE MORE OF A RECURRING WORK GROUP LIKE THE, THE TECH ATTACKER. THAT'S ONE IDEA. I'M SURE THERE'S A FEW MORE THAT THE CITY MAGIC CAN COME UP WITH OR, OR BARBARA. SO THANK YOU. CONTINUE, MELISSA, JUST, JUST ONE MORE THING REALLY, UM, THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED AND THAT IS, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION AGAIN PERSONALLY ABOUT GOING THROUGH AND GETTING PERMITS AND, AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING, BUT EVERY PROJECT IS DIFFERENT. AND SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHEN WE TALK ABOUT METRICS THAT SAY, HOW MANY TIMES DID I HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN ITERATION? BECAUSE THERE COULD BE REAL REASONS WHY. AND A LOT OF US PROBABLY ARE NOT ENGINEERS. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER AND UM, YOU KNOW, YOU WE, WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL WITH PERFORMANCE METRICS THAT CAN BE MISLEADING AS FAR AS UNDERSTANDING. YEAH, ONE PROJECT ACTUALLY ONLY WENT THROUGH ONE ITERATION, BUT ANOTHER ONE HAD TO GO THROUGH 20. WELL, YOU'RE GONNA GET SOME SUMMARY OF THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT PERFORMANCE METRICS AND THAT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO REFLECT THE REALITY POTENTIALLY OF WHAT YOU SEE. SO WHEN WE COME TO THESE PERFORMANCE METRICS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I TRY TO DO IS LIKE READ THROUGH THEM AND BELIEVE ME, SOME DEPARTMENTS HAVE, I SWEAR TO GOD, A MILLION, UH, PERFORMANCE METRICS LISTED AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS THEY'RE TRYING TO TELL ME WITH THAT METRIC. AND IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THAT KIND OF THING WITH PERFORMANCE METRICS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO, UM, DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE AND UNDERSTAND EVERY DETAIL OF HOW THOSE ARE MADE. AND THAT'S A LOT OF STAFF TIME FOR US TO DO THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE REALLY THOUGHT AS A COUNCIL THAT WAS IMPORTANT, WE WOULD BE DEDICATING IN MY MIND A LOT OF STAFF TIME OR HIRING AN EXPENSIVE CONSULTANT TO GO THROUGH THAT AND THROUGH ALL THE PAPERWORK IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THOSE METRICS ARE BASED ON. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? I DO. I WAS A MEMBER OF THE CITIZENS WORK GROUP FOR FIVE YEARS. SO IN THE PAST IT HAS BEEN CONTINUING. NOT EVERYBODY WAS ON THERE EVERY YEAR, BUT SEVERAL PEOPLE WERE ON THERE FOR MULTIPLE YEARS. AND AS YOU POINTED OUT, KEEGAN, IT DID, IT DID HELP NOT STARTING FROM ZERO EVERY YEAR AT THE SAME TIME. IT INCLUDED THE ENTIRE BUDGET. AND I'M NOT SURE HOW WE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE DONE THE WORK THAT WE DID WITHOUT SEEING THE FULL CONTEXT OF WHAT THE BUDGET INCLUDES. NOW IT WAS INTENSIVE, IT WAS INTENSIVE FOR FINANCE STAFF AND THE THEN CITY MANAGER REALLY DIDN'T LIKE THE GROUP TO BE HONEST, AND WAS TRYING TO RE REDUCE AND REDUCE AND REDUCE THE REMIT OF THE GROUP. UH, BUT WE REVIEWED THE OPERATING BUDGET, THE CAPITAL BUDGET, THE DECISION PACKAGES, EVERYTHING, AND THEN WE WOULD DO A SPECIAL PROJECT ALSO LIKE A DEEP DIVE INTO SOMETHING, UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT. SO IT WAS, IT WAS INTENSIVE ON STAFF'S PART, BUT UH, I FELT LIKE IT WAS REALLY VALUABLE AND I UNDERSTOOD THE BUDGET INSIDE AND OUT AFTER THAT BECAUSE I SPENT SO MUCH TIME LOOKING AT IT AND HAD SO MANY YEARS TO REVIEW IT. AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A FINANCE BACKGROUND, BUT GOVERNMENT FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT BUDGETING IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM THE CORPORATE WORLD AND IT TAKES A, YOUR HEAD HAD TO GET ADJUSTED TO THAT TAKES A LONG TIME SOMETIMES TO DO THAT. AND I'VE SPOKEN TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE BUDGET REVIEW GROUP LIKE FOR A YEAR, AND FRANKLY THEY DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND OUR BUDGET . AND IF I MAY, UM, THANK YOU COUNSELOR FOR THAT. I AGREE THAT THE CURRENT SCOPE OF WHAT THIS GROUP DOES IS VERY NARROW AND THAT MAKES IT CHALLENGING BECAUSE WE HAVE ONLY THREE MEETINGS AND THEY'RE EXPECTED TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THESE DECISION PACKAGES WITHOUT REALLY HAVING A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE BUDGET. AND WHILE ON THE FIRST DAY WE TRY TO PROVIDE THIS, HERE'S WHAT WE DO, HERE'S THE WHOLE BUDGET THAT REALLY IS LIKE DRINKING FROM A FIRE HOSE. AND IT'S LIKE ME TRYING TO CRAM ALL THIS INFORMATION INTO A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME [01:55:01] THAT I THINK IS NOT ALLOWING THE GROUP THE SPACE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND IT. SO I, I THINK RESTRUCTURING THE WAY THAT WE DO THIS IS, UM, WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. I I FEEL LIKE IT IS, IT IS VERY NARROW AND VERY LIMITED AND THAT'S CREATES FRUSTRATION REASONABLY. I CAN UNDER, I CAN APPRECIATE THAT WE'VE MET FOR MONTHS, NOT THREE TIMES FOR MONTHS. SO IT'S A COMMITMENT ON THE MEMBERS OF THE WORK GROUP'S PART AS WELL AS THE STAFF. YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD? WE, WE PLEASE. THANK YOU. STILL MORE OF US TO SPEAK. SO WE TRY TO BE UNDERSTAND CONCISE. I UNDERSTAND KIND OF TWO THINGS. ONE, MY INITIAL RESPONSE WAS TO MELISSA'S ISSUE THAT SHE HAD RAISED ABOUT METRICS IN MY FORMER LIFE, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THAT WORLD. AND I THINK THE THING THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH METRICS IS YOU DON'T NEED A VOLUME OF THEM. YOU KNOW, YOU NEED AT FIVE AT MOST. FEWER IS BETTER AND THEY NEED TO BE DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC AND THEY NEED TO BE DRIVEN BY WHAT IS THE DEPARTMENT'S PURPOSE, WHAT IS IT SUPPOSED TO ACCOMPLISH? AND SO I THINK SIMPLIFYING THOSE METRICS IS A CRITICAL ISSUE. OKAY, THANKS. ALRIGHT. UH, ICE MAIL YOU DONE? NO, I'M NOT DONE. OKAY. UH, WHAT WAS THE STA SO WE HAVE NOT SEEN RETENTION STATISTICS, SO IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU FEEL LIKE WE HAVEN'T IMPROVED, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THEM FOR THIS YEAR. DOES ANYBODY? IT'S A NET. HAVE THEM, I DON'T HAVE THEM FOR THIS YEAR. I KNOW LAST YEAR WAS 20% TURNOVER, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, MAYBE THEY'RE IN HERE STERLING'S LOOKING AND SO IS A NET. SO I LOOKED AT THE HR TAB, I DIDN'T SEE THEM THERE. RIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, WELL THANK YOU COUNSELOR. UM, PLU, I'LL SHOOT A LITTLE NOTE OVER TO RUSS TO MAKE SURE WHEN HE DOES HIS PRESENTATION, HE BRINGS THAT. OKAY. IS RUSS STILL DOING AN EXIT INTERVIEW ON WHY PEOPLE, UH, OR HAVE LEFT? YES. YES. WE OFFER THOSE TO EVERY EMPLOYEE THAT'S LEAVING THAT ARE NOT MANDATORY, BUT YES. OKAY. UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO JOIN IN ON, UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT MY COLLEAGUES MADE WHERE I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO A ZERO BASED BUDGET. I THINK IT'S TIME. IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE. UH, AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO DO IT AGAIN. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR, BUT YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, BRAND NEW, PROBABLY NOT EVEN, UH, YEAH, I WASN'T EVEN HERE. . YEAH. WELL STERLING WAS, YEAH. HOLD IT ALL TOGETHER. . UH, AND UH, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU GUYS, AND MAYBE YOU CAN'T ANSWER IT BECAUSE OF THE LIMITATION ON THE INFORMATION THAT YOU RECEIVED, BUT IF WE WANTED OUR BUDGET TO, TO BE FLAT OR DECREASE, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING VARIOUS AND A SUNDRY POSITIONS, WHAT WOULD YOU CUT? SO IF, IF WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED IT FLAT FOR EVERY POSITION YOU RECOMMEND, THE POSITION NEEDS TO BE CUT OR THE EQUIVALENT IN DOLLARS. DID YOU DO THAT EXERCISE AT ALL? WE DID, WE DID NOT, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE PRIORITIZATION WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO US. AND ALSO HAVING, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THE THREE INCH THICK DETAILS, BUT HAVING A, A CONCEPT OF WHERE DOES THIS BUDGET FIT WITHIN THE FLOW, WHAT WAS DONE BEFORE WAS THIS, UM, CONSIDERED BEFORE AND NOT DONE AND WHY? AND IS HOW DOES THIS, UH, PROVIDE A PLATFORM FOR NEXT YEAR AND THE YEAR AFTER THAT, LOOKING AT JUST ONE YEAR IS VERY DIFFICULT. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US PLAN OUR OWN LIVES THAT WAY. IT'S REALLY HARD TO, UH, TO MAKE A COHESIVE PLAN WHEN YOU, THERE'S SO MANY BLANKS. OKAY. WE, WE DON'T THINK, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY REALLY SIMPLY THE MOST, UM, CONTROVERSIAL, UM, UH, PART OF CITY IS THE TRANSPORTATION PLANE THAT WAS THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL IN OUR GROUP. TRANSPORTATION. TRANSPORTATION, OKAY. AND THE LAST THING I I, YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO STOP THE BUS BARN MAINTENANCE FACILITY PROJECT RESONATED WITH ME. THANK YOU. OKAY. QUICKLY. [02:00:01] YEAH. SO, UM, I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AS WELL. I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, I WILL SAY IT AGAIN. UM, I FIGURE WHEN THE TRANSPORTATION FOLKS ARE HERE, WE WILL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AROUND THIS ITEM AS WELL AS SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE IN MY MIND THAT ARE WORRISOME ABOUT OUR TRANSPORTATION PLAN. SO IF YOU'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN HEARING THAT CONVERSATION, WAIT TILL THE TRANSPORTATION FOLKS ARE UP HERE, COME BACK OR GET ONLINE AND, YOU KNOW, PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT WE SAY. THANK YOU. THANKS MUSTA. DEREK, WHAT INFORMATION WERE Y'ALL GIVEN ABOUT THE BUS BARN? UM, I KNOW WE DID OUR PROCESS WHERE WE LOOKED AT THE CONTRACT AND THEY TOLD US GENERALLY WHAT IT WAS GONNA BE. WERE YOU JUST TOLD IT'S A BUS BARN, IT'S GONNA COST $20 MILLION OR WERE YOU GIVEN MORE INFORMATION? THE SHORT ANSWER IS WE WEREN'T GIVEN ANYTHING. THIS WAS NOT ANY OF THE PACKAGES WE GOT AND THAT'S WHY WE ASKED FOR, WE WANT TO SEE THE WHOLE ENCHILADA NEXT TIME SO THAT WE CAN DO THIS. THIS WAS BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND HEARD FROM THE CITY AND THROUGH RED ROCK NEWS, THAT GREAT PARAGON OF JOURNALISTIC VIRTUE, UM, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY LIMITED, BUT WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS IT'S DISCONCERTING TO US. OKAY. OKAY. I KNOW WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, WE WERE KIND OF LIKE, YOU DON'T NEED TO ELABORATE, YOU'RE FINE. WE DID GET A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION AND WE WERE TOLD, UM, WHEN THE, UM, DEPARTMENT HEAD CAME IN TO TALK WITH US AND, AND WE WERE TOLD THAT ONE OF THE REASONS IT WAS SO EXPENSIVE WAS THAT, UM, IT REQUIRED SO MUCH, UM, EQUIPMENT AND ROOM TO TURN BUSES AROUND, ET CETERA. UH, SO WE DID GET SOME INFORMATION, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WASN'T IN ORIGINAL SCOPE. IT, IT WAS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL PACKAGE. WE GOT THAT WHEN, FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEAD. I I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT HE CAME AND DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING TO US. WE, WE DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS AND GET SOME ANSWERS. OKAY. UM, QUESTION FOR ANNETTE, THAT CONTRACT, THE DESIGN CONTRACT'S ALREADY BEEN SIGNED, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND ALREADY IN PROCESS. OKAY. 'CAUSE I, I MADE MAYBE TOO LATE TO PAUSE THAT, BUT I DO THINK BEFORE WE PROCEED ON THAT, WE OUGHT TO BE AS IT'S A DESIGN CONTRACT THAT WE AWARDED. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO COUNSEL, UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS WILL BE A TOPIC DISCUSSED AND, UM, OUR TRANSIT ADMINISTRATOR, AMBER IS READY TO TALK ABOUT THAT, THE TRANSPORTATION, OR EXCUSE ME, THE TRANSIT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, ALL OF THE BIG PICTURE OF WHAT THIS IS ABOUT AND TIMING AND, AND ALL OF THAT. SO YES, WE WILL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION DURING THIS SESSION. TOMORROW. TOMORROW. TOMORROW. OKAY. SHE WILL TOUCH ON IT DURING HER, UM, TRANSIT PRESENTATION. IS THAT TOMORROW? YEAH, WHICH IS TOMORROW. AND THEN OF COURSE YOU HAVE YOUR DELIBERATIONS AS WELL AND IT'S IN THE CAPITAL PLAN SO YOU CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION WHEN YOU'RE REVIEWING THE CAPITAL PLAN. SO THERE'S MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES OKAY. FOR YOU. I'LL SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR TOMORROW THEN. OKAY, THANKS. OKAY, PETE, THANKS MAYOR. JUST REAL QUICK, UH, I AS WELL SHARE SOME, LET ME JUST BACK UP AND SAY, WE'VE HEARD THIS, UH, ISSUE WITH THE BUDGET WORK GROUP FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS ABOUT WHAT THE MISSION AND SCOPE IS, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY TIME FOR THE CITY MANAGER AND THE FINANCE MANAGER PERHAPS TO RETHINK EXACTLY WHAT THE MISSION AND SCOPE IS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH US ABOUT HOW IT'S INTENDED TO BE. UM, IT'S DIFFICULT, RIGHT? YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A BUNCH OF WORK. WE JUST GOT ALL THE LAST DOCUMENTS NOW, SO WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO FADE IT IN THE SCHEDULE TOO. BUT, UM, ABOUT, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FROM MY EXPERIENCE ON THE GROUP AS WELL, UM, I, TOUCHING ON THE METRICS, EXPANDING ALSO TO THE OBJECTIVES. I'D ACTUALLY LIKE THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF TO REALLY COME BACK TO US. I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS YOUR FIRST FULL YEAR THROUGH IT. I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW YOUR METRICS ARE LOOKING AND WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO DIFFERENT. UM, THE OBJECTIVES AS WELL IS LISTED IN THE BUDGET DOCS. THERE'S A LOT OF WHICH LOOK LIKE MISSION STATEMENTS AS OBJECTIVES FOR EACH DEPARTMENT, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CLARITY THAT COULD BE BROUGHT TO THEM AS WELL. SO THAT'S ANOTHER STATUSING THING THAT I WOULD LOVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL TO HEAR WHAT YOUR FUTURE PLANS ARE. YEP. FOR THAT ZERO BASED BUDGETING. OF COURSE, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A FAN. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOWEVER, THAT IT'S THE LATEST AND GREATEST WAY TO THINK ABOUT WHAT DIFFERENT BUDGET ALTERNATIVES ARE. SO I'D, I'D LOVE TO HAVE A FUTURE DISCUSSION ABOUT, ABOUT THAT. [02:05:01] UH, UM, AND THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, UH, IS ALSO ONE THAT I'VE GOT LOTS OF MY OWN QUESTIONS, SO I SUSPECT THAT WILL BE AN IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION TOMORROW AT VARIOUS STAGES. AND I DO SU LEMME JUST GO BACK AND JUST SUPPORT MELISSA, THE IDEA OF REQUIRING BUDGET WORK GROUP FOLKS, YOU ON THE MIC, PLEASE. THE, THE, THE, THE IDEA OF REQUIRING BUDGET WORK GROUP MEMBERS TO HAVE GONE THROUGH THE CITIZENS ACADEMY IS AN INTERESTING IDEA. SO I'D LOVE THAT TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT IN YOUR PACKAGE OF WHERE WE GO WITH THE BUDGET WORK GROUP IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU PETE. KATHY, A LOT'S BEEN SAID ON THE MACRO LEVEL, SO I'M NOT GOING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, REPEAT ALL THAT. BUT I DO HAVE A MICRO QUESTION, WHICH IS ON WHEN YOU HAD YOUR DISCUSSION ABOUT HOUSING AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU'VE MADE IN HERE. UH, IT WAS INTERESTING THAT I THOUGHT ONE OF YOUR SUGGESTIONS IS OPPORTUNITIES TO BUY AND CONVERT UNDERPERFORMING HOTELS, MOTELS TO HOUSING. AND I AM, DON'T NAME NAMES, BUT I'M CURIOUS IF YOU ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED . YOU DID NOT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE, WELL, NO, I HAD ONE MORE. UM, NOPE. I'M GONNA LET IT GO THERE. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU. THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS TOO, BUT YET IT WAS IN THE BOOK, IT MADE IT SEEM LIKE THERE WERE UNDERPERFORMING HOTELS IN OUR CITY, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I'VE NEVER FOUND ONE. SO, BUT IT MAKES IT SEEM LIKE THERE ARE, AND THE COMMENT WAS MADE WITHOUT BASIS. SO, UH, I ALSO WANT TO, UH, TOUCH BASE WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO ASK DID THE, UH, BUDGET WORK GROUP HAVE ACCESS TO, UH, UH, HUMAN RESOURCES TO GET SOME OF THESE ABOUT THE PROCESS OF A HIGH LEVEL WHY PEOPLE ARE LEAVING? OR MAYBE EVEN DIG DOWN TO A MEDIUM LEVEL OF WHY PEOPLE WERE LEAVING. WELL, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HUMAN RESOURCES DID MAKE A PRESENTATION TO THE BUDGET WORK GROUP. I WAS, I WOULD THINK YES, BUT DID WE GRANT THEM DIRECT ACCESS TO RUSS OUTSIDE OF THE FORMAL MEETINGS TO DIG DOWN INTO INFORMATION? NO. NO. I WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO DIG DOWN. THAT'S CONFIDENTIAL. I, I GET THAT BECAUSE EVEN WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. BUT FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, FOR IN THIS BOOK, WHICH IS PUBLIC RECORDS FOR PEOPLE CAN SEE IT SAYS EXPLORE CORPORATE BEST AND BRIGHTEST APPROACHES. WELL, WE DO THAT AND HOW WOULD ANYONE KNOW THAT WE DON'T. RIGHT? BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN STRESSED BY HUMAN RESOURCES THAT WE DO LOOK FOR THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST. AND WHY ARE WE LOSING SOME PEOPLE HIGH LEVEL IT'S HOUSING. I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME VERY HIGH LEVEL. I THINK WHEN ANDY WAS STILL IN HIS OLD DEPARTMENT, THEY LOST AN INCREDIBLE, HIGHLY TALENTED INDIVIDUAL, BEST AND BRIGHTEST BECAUSE HE COULDN'T FIND HOUSING HERE. HE WAS COMING FROM PRESCOTT, I BELIEVE, AND HE WAS ABLE TO BRING SOME KNOWLEDGE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO FARM OUT TO A CONTRACTOR OR CONSULTANT TO DO, BUT WE COULDN'T KEEP HIM. HE, HE WAS HIRED, BUT HE LEFT. AND I THINK THAT WE'VE LOST OTHER PEOPLE. BUT THAT'S NOT REFLECTED IN HERE. YOU JUST AS, I DON'T WANNA SAY ASSUMING, BUT TO, TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE PARAGRAPH REALLY HAS ME CONCERNED BECAUSE IT, IT WOULD GIVE THE PUBLIC THE IMPRESSION THAT WE DON'T HIRE THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST. AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF GOES WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND TO GET THE BEST AND WE PAY WELL AND OUR BENEFIT PACKAGES ARE, ARE GOOD AND ALL THAT THINGS, BUT THERE'S OTHER REASONS WHY PEOPLE LEAVE. UH, WE LOSE POLICE OFFICERS, WHICH ALWAYS IS, UH, UH, POINT FOR ME. THEY GO OTHER PLACES FOR WHATEVER REASON. OKAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT WE ARE, THEY'RE NOT THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST. I THINK THEY, DAWN ARE THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST. SO, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO OPINE ON THAT, UH, UNLESS YOU REALLY WANT TO. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WE DIDN'T THINK THAT YOU ATTEMPTED TO GET THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST THE PROBLEM OR, AND HIRE THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST. THE PROBLEM IS RETAINING THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST AS YOU'VE JUST POINTED OUT. WELL, WE DO. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, NOBODY THINKS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, UNQUALIFIED PEOPLE OR NOT, NOT SEARCHING FOR THE BEST. IT'S JUST THE RETENTION. I UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M READING THE, THE PARAGRAPH, WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU PUT TOGETHER WE DIDN'T PUT TOGETHER. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND IT'S, THAT'S, SO THAT'S ONE ISSUE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND PERMITS AND HOW MANY REVISIONS THERE ARE. NOW I KNOW THAT THAT'S PROJECT SPECIFIC. SO YOU MAY HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A HOMEOWNER [02:10:01] OR DEVELOPER HAVE, HAVE A PROJECT. I'M NOT GONNA PICK ON ANYONE ON THIS DAIS THAT HAS TO, THAT JUST RECENTLY WENT THROUGH A PROJECT. 'CAUSE I KNOW HE WAS, I'M SURE HE WAS PERFECT BECAUSE HE WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING LESS RECENT. SOUNDS LIKE IT'S DONE , RIGHT? . BUT UH, YOU KNOW, EVERY PROJECT IS DIFFERENT. SO TO HAVE A METRIC OF, WELL, HOW MANY TIMES DID IT HAVE TO GO THROUGH A REVISION? YOU'RE NOT GONNA KNOW UNTIL THE PROJECT GOES FORWARD BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE DEVELOPER OR THE HOMEOWNER WANTS TO DO SOMETHING AND THEY TRY TO PUSH IT THROUGH AND IT GETS KICKED BACK FOR WHATEVER REASON FROM STAFF. ARE YOU SAYING THAT AFTER TWO REVISIONS OR THREE REVISIONS, OUR STAFF SHOULD STOP OPINING ON IT OR REQUIRING IT? BECAUSE I, I KNOW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, I KNOW A COUPLE OF PROJECTS IN MY TIME THAT THEY WOULD GIVE THEIR, UH, STAFF WOULD GIVE COMMENTS TO THE DEVELOPER AND THE DEVELOPER WOULD TAKE A YEAR TO GET BACK TO STAFF WITH THOSE REVISIONS. BUT YET THEY BLAME THE CITY FOR TAKING SO MUCH TIME. THERE'S A WHOLE LOT TO THAT. AND I'M SURE YOU WEREN'T PRIVY TO THAT, BUT TO ME IT'S LIKE YOU TOOK THE APPROACH OF, WELL, WE'RE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB. THAT'S THE WAY I I, THAT'S THE WAY THE BOOK MAKES IT SOUND. AND I'M SURE THAT WASN'T YOUR INTENTION, BUT THAT'S THE WAY I READ IT THEN. THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE MIC PLEASE. ON THE MIC. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS DIALOGUE IS REALLY MOVING US IN A DIRECTION THAT WE NEED TO GO FOR IN THIS MEETING. EVERYBODY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK CERTAIN QUESTIONS. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT WORRIES ABOUT TIME. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT, AND I'M NOT PICKING ON THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED. I THINK MAYBE THE PROBLEM IN THAT CA IN THOSE CASES THAT YOU BROUGHT UP MR. MAYOR, ARE UH, PROBLEMS OF COMMUNICATION. MAYBE MAYBE THE, UH, DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO COMMUNICATE TO THE PERSON WHO'S SUBMITTING THE PLAN. WELL, THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE'VE HAD THIS DELAY. AND IT WOULD BE, I BUILT A HOUSE A FEW YEARS AGO AND THERE WERE MULTIPLE, UM, REQUESTS FOR CHANGES TO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ELECTRICAL PLAN. IT SEEMED TO ME THAT ALL OF THOSE CHANGES FOR ELECTRICAL COULD HAVE BEEN DONE AT ONCE. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. I THINK YOU MISINTERPRETED WHAT WAS IN THE REPORT AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TRY TO CORRECT THAT INFORMATION. OUR VIEW OF THE STAFF OVERALL AND OF THE, OF THE CITY IS THAT YOU DO A GREAT JOB. YOU KNOW, OUR PERCEPTION IS WHAT CAN WE HELP YOU DO TO DO IT BETTER? UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE KEPT HEARING ABOUT WERE POSITIONS THAT WERE CHRONICALLY NOT GETTING FILLED BUILD. AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT IS WHEN YOU HAVE THESE CRITICAL OPEN ISSUES, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU CAN DO TO TRY TO ATTRACT THAT CALIBER OF TALENT THAT YOU NEED? AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD NOT PRESENTED NECESSARILY WAS THAT WITH SOME OF THESE CRITICAL POSITIONS, THE PAY WAS TOO LOW. AND SO FIX IT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM. YOU KNOW, NOT ALL POSITIONS REQUIRE THE SAME CALIBER OF TALENT. NOT ALL POSITIONS REQUIRE THE SAME MARKETPLACE. IF YOU HAVE A CRITICAL POSITION AND YOU'RE PLAYING IN THE NATIONAL FIELD, THEN PAY THE NATIONAL RATE. SO THAT'S WHERE WE WERE COMING FROM. YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OFTENTIMES WHAT WE WERE HEARING IS YOU COULDN'T FILL A HIGH LEVEL POSITION. AND SO YOU'RE HAVING TO BRING IN LOWER LEVEL SKILLED PEOPLE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO GET THAT CALIBER OF TALENT. YOU KNOW, THE SENIOR PLANNING POSITION WAS THE ONE THAT KEPT COMING UP AS KIND OF THE, THE PROBLEM JOB, RIGHT? AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE KERNEL OF A LOT OF OUR SPEAKING. SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF CLARIFY THAT. AND THAT HELPS CLARIFY A LOT. AND I THINK MAYBE THE ANSWER IS, WHEN YOU TOUCHED ON IT, IS COMMUNICATIONS WITH HR AND THE COMMITTEE. SO THEY COULD HAVE ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS BEFORE IT CAME INTO PAPER, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PRIORITIES, WE NEVER SAW THOSE PRIORITIES. AND, YOU KNOW, AS A MEMBER OF THE WORK GROUP, YOU KNOW, WE WERE THERE FOR THREE LONG DAYS, YOU KNOW, FROM 8:00 AM TO 5:00 PM OKAY. AND IT, AND I THINK ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THAT GROUP WERE THERE BECAUSE THEY CARED ABOUT THE STUDY AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE [02:15:01] A CONTRIBUTION THAT WAS RELEVANT. BUT IF YOU DON'T GIVE PEOPLE SUFFICIENT INFORMATION TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS, THEN YOU END UP BEING FRUSTRATED. AND SO THOSE ARE THINGS HOPEFULLY TO CONSIDER IN NEXT YEAR'S GROUP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. I APPRECIATE. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE A LITTLE BEHIND, BUT NOT TOO FAR BEHIND. UH, CHUCK WILL GO ON WITH, UH, IT MAYORAL THANK THE COMMITTEE AGAIN FOR THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT YOU PUT IN. HOLD ON. WHAT? EVERYBODY'S SPEAKING TOO MUCH. WHAT? SAY THAT AGAIN. I JUST, AS, AS WE TRANSITIONED, I WANTED TO JUST SAY AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE COMMITTEE FOR THE TIME AND THE EFFORT, THE DEDICATION THAT YOU DID PUT IN. REALLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THE SUGGESTIONS HERE TODAY RESONATED. I THINK, BRIAN, I'M NOT USED TO SOMEBODY ELSE STEALING MY THUNDER, BUT THANK YOU COUNSELOR KINSELLA FOR STEALING MY THUNDER. 'CAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE THANKED THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORKING GROUP VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS AND THE FACT THAT YOU DO CARE LIKE YOU DO. SO THANK YOU. THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO TOO. THANK YOU. EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM. AND HERE'S A ONE PAGE THAT [3.e. Operating Budgets and Decision Packages ] WE DIDN'T. SO AS WE MOVE INTO THE DEPARTMENT BUDGETS, UM, OUR FIRST SLIDE THERE ARE THE DECISION PACKAGE TIERS FROM THE CITY MANAGER. AND THOSE ARE COLOR CODED AS LIKE RECOMMENDED, WHICH IS YES, BASICALLY GREEN TIER ONE IS ORANGE TIER TWO, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, UM, IN LIGHT OF FUNDS AND PRIORITIES IS BLUE. AND THEN NOT RECOMMENDED IS RED. AND THEN WE DID INCLUDE THE CITIZENS BUDGET WORK GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS ON EACH ONE AS WELL, SO THAT YOU COULD SEE CITY MANAGER WORK GROUP AND HEAR FROM THE DEPARTMENTS. OKAY. THANKS. OKAY, CHUCK. I'M CHUCK HARDY, THE IT DIRECTOR, CITY SEDONA. UM, FOR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SOME INCREASES. YOUR, YOUR, OUR LARGEST INCREASE WAS IN MAINTENANCE. UM, A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, THE NEW ERP SYSTEM. THE, UM, THERE'S ONGOING COSTS. UH, SO THERE'S A LINE ITEM IN THERE FOR 238,000, UH, FOR ONGOING COST FOR THE, FOR THE NEW ERP SYSTEM. UH, WE ONLY NEED THAT IF WE START IMPLEMENTATION, UH, PRIOR TO THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. AT THE TIME OF DOING THE BUDGET, IT LOOKED LIKE THAT LOOKED 50 50. AT THIS POINT, I'M GONNA SAY PROBABLY NOT. UM, SO THAT MIGHT BE A LINE ITEM THAT WE CAN MOVE INTO, INTO, UH, CONTINGENCY, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THAT BY 238,000. DO YOU HAVE THE NEXT PAGE? UH, ONE TIME COSTS, UH, COMMUNITY, UH, DEVELOPMENT. UH, THERE'S A COUPLE MONITORS FOR THE NEW PLANTER POSITION. I HEARD MENTION A LITTLE BIT THERE. UM, A LITTLE BIT LARGER MONITORS. UH, WE'RE ALSO GOT A PORT SWITCH AND A SUBNET FIREWALL. UH, WE'VE BEEN HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH THE, UH, UH, TRANSIT. UM, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SOFTWARE, THEIR OWN SECURITY, UM, SYSTEMS. AND IT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE RUNNING A VIRUS THAT, UM, UH, BASICALLY OUR PORTS WERE BEING HIT BY THEIR EQUIPMENT, UH, ONE COMPUTER IN PARTICULAR. THEN IT BECAME ANOTHER COMPUTER AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT. IT, IT TOOK A WHILE AND TOOK THEM TO GET INVOLVED, BUT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THEIR SECURITY SOFTWARE IS LOOKING FOR VULNERABILITIES, BUT THEY'RE HITTING OUR NETWORK ON THAT. UH, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WITH THOSE TWO ITEMS IS WE'RE GONNA COMPLETELY ISOLATE TRANSIT SO THEY CAN'T TOUCH ANYTHING WITH THEIR SECURITY STUFF. UH, IN GIS WE'RE ASKING FOR A NEW PLOTTER THAT INCLUDES, UH, A FEW THREE YEARS OF MAINTENANCE. UH, THAT CURRENT PLOTTER IS 10 YEARS OLD. IT'S, IT'S PRETTY OLD. IT'S STILL RUNNING, BUT IT'S 10 YEARS IS MORE THAN LONG ENOUGH. UM, IN IT, THERE'S A, A PORT SWITCH. WE'RE PUTTING MORE DENSITY UP IN, UH, BREWER ROAD AREA AND ALSO THE CALL MANAGER UPGRADE. UM, THE CALL MANAGER IS CURRENTLY ON THAT WOULD BE A LOT HIGHER DOLLAR ITEM. UH, BUT WE HAVE IT ON OUR, OUR VIRTUAL SERVERS, OUR VMS. AND SO WE DON'T NEED TO BUY ANY HARDWARE. ALL WE NEED TO DO IS A SOFTWARE UPGRADE. AND THAT CUTS THE COST IN AT LEAST HALF. UM, IN PD THERE'S A FEW ADDITIONAL COSTS. UM, IN THE ONE TIME, UH, WE'RE GOING FOR AN EXTRA G TAC COMPUTER FOR AFTER HOURS, UH, JUST IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS TO ONE OF THEIR G TACS. UM, THAT'S THEIR MOBILE COMPUTERS. THEY'VE GOT A SPARE, THEY CAN JUST GRAB, UM, OTHER ITEMS INCLUDE SOME DESKTOP WORKSTATIONS. THERE'S SOME FOR, UH, THEIR CSAS. UM, THOSE ARE LOW COST, BUT THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE FOR THEIR, UM, UM, [02:20:02] OH, THE THING THAT FLIES, I'M HAVING A BRAIN FART OR MY FRENCH DRONE. THE, UH, DRONE CORRECT TO DO THE DRONE SOFTWARE. UM, ANYWAYS, UH, THOSE ARE A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THOSE THAT DO THAT. UH, WE HAVE OUR USUAL MDTS AS MOBILE DATA COMPUTERS, ALSO KNOWN AS THE GT TAX. UH, WE DO AN ANNUAL REFRESH OF CHUCK, CAN YOU JUST DO CLOSER TO THE MIC PLEASE? BECAUSE YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. OTHERWISE, OUR IT DEPARTMENT'S GONNA COMPLAIN. SO THE IT DEPARTMENT NEEDS MONEY TO BUY. WE'LL, MIKE STEMS WE'LL HELP LONGER NIGHT. YEAH. CAN WE GET LONGER STEMS BE GOOD? THAT'S A, THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA. THE, UM, UH, SO THE MDTS, WE REPLACE FIVE EVERY YEAR. UM, THEY HAVE A FIVE YEAR LIFESPAN. IF WE WAITED AND REPLACED ALL 'EM AT ONCE, THAT'D BE LIKE $140,000 HIT. UH, SO WE JUST KIND OF ROTATE THOSE THROUGHS IN, IN THE RSA TOKENS, YES, THAT'S A ONE TIME, THAT'S A LOW DOLLAR. THOSE, UM, THOSE ARE THEIR LITTLE KEY FOBS THAT ALLOWS 'EM TO SECURELY CONNECT INTO THE PD NETWORK SYSTEM. UH, AND THOSE HAVE ABOUT A FIVE YEAR, UH, BATTERY LIFE WASTEWATER. THE CCTV COMPUTER THAT'S IN THE VAN, UM, THE HARDWARE IN THAT COMPUTER IS ONLY CAPABLE OF WINDOWS 10, WHICH HITS END OF LIFE IN ABOUT OCTOBER. SO THAT'S A SECURITY RISK. ALONG WITH THAT, WE HAVE TO DO THE GRANITE NET SOFTWARE UPGRADE. SO THE COMPUTER AND THE LAST ITEM THERE, GRANITE, GRANITE NET SOFTWARE, UH, THAT'S ALL KIND OF LIKE ONE ITEM TO UPGRADE THEIR, UH, VAN TO A MORE SECURE SYSTEM. AND ALSO A COUPLE LARGER MONITORS FOR THE SCADA SYSTEM. THE DECISION PACKAGE, IT DOES NOT HAVE A, UH, ANY KIND OF, UH, VEHICLE AT THIS POINT. UH, WE'VE ALWAYS TRADITIONALLY WENT AND, UH, WE WILL GO AND RESERVE A, UH, POOL VEHICLE. UH, WE WILL MAKE OUR BEST GUESS OF WHAT WE NEED TO GO FIX SOMETHING. UM, WE'LL LOAD IT UP. UM, WE WILL GO TO THE LOCATION, UM, WE'LL FIND OUT, OH, I NEED YADA YADA. SO WE GO BACK, GO GET YADA YADA, GO BACK OUT, UM, FIX THE ITEM, COME BACK AND UNLOAD. SO WE, UH, WE'RE WASTING TIME WITH LOADING AND UNLOADING. AND WE'RE ALSO, UH, WASTING TIME, UH, GOING BACK AND FORTH IF WE HAD A VAN. THE IDEA WITH THAT IS WITH SHELVING AND FULLY STOCKED, UH, BEING FULLY STOCKED, THAT SHOULD MINIMIZE RETURN TRIPS. 'CAUSE WE'LL HAVE ALL THAT STUFF THAT WE NORMALLY COME BACK FOR IN THE VAN. UM, WE ALSO HAVE QUITE A FEW REMOTE LOCATIONS. BREWER ROAD, THE Y WE'VE GOT MINUTES, YARD, UH, POLICY GROUNDS SAN'S NOT THAT FAR. WE DON'T NEED A VAN FOR THAT. THE, UH, THAT WAS A JOKE THAT, AND WE ALSO HAVE, UH, FURTHER REMOTE LOCATIONS. SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE EQUIPMENT ON TOP OF MAGUS MOUNTAIN THAT ONCE IN A WHILE WE HAVE TO GET UP TO, UM, WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT UP ON AIRPORT ROAD AS WELL. MAGUS IS THE FURTHEST, UM, THAN PROBABLY WASTEWATER THAN AIRPORT ROAD. GREAT. EXCELLENT. THAT'S ALL COOL QUESTIONS FOR CHUCK? OKAY. VICE MAYOR AND THEN WE'LL GO. CHUCK, CAN YOU TELL US, UH, IN YOUR FTE GROWTH, WHAT POSITIONS HAVE YOU ADDED SINCE 2015, YOU HAD FOUR POSITIONS. UH, 20 15, 16 AND THEN AN FY 26 YEAR AT SIX, A LITTLE OVER SIX. UM, WE HAD A PART-TIME HELP DESK POSITION. UM, SO THAT WENT FROM THE 4.6 TO THE 5.0 AND THEN WE ADDED ANOTHER ENGINEER, UM, TO, UM, HELP OUT WITH THE, UH, WORKLOAD IN IT. UH, ONE OF THE PERFORMANCE METRICS YOU'LL, YOU'LL LOOK AT IS, UM, WE WANT TO KEEP OUR ENGINEERS ENGINEERING AND UM, HAVE OUR HELP DESK PERSON WORK WITH THE HELP DESK. UM, THE ENGINEERING LOAD WAS BEGINNING TO GET A LITTLE BIT TOO LARGE. UH, IN FACT THIS YEAR WE DID UP, UM, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES TO TRY TO HELP OUT OUR ENGINEERING AND UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO UP THE SERVICES, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR THAN IT IS TO HIRE ANOTHER FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE. UH, BUT THAT WAS FOR AN ENGINEERING POSITION. ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT REFILLING PAM POSITION? UH, WE HAVE SOMEONE STARTING MONDAY. WHOA. GREAT. AS GOOD. YEP. WELL, WE'LL FIND OUT. . OKAY. UH, BRIAN, YOU HAD SOMETHING? YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. IN THE ACTUAL IT SECTION OF THE BOOK ON UH, PAGE IT FOUR, AND I WISH ANNETTE WAS HERE. UM, ANDY MAYBE YOU'LL BE ABLE [02:25:01] TO SPEAK TO IT. UM, EVERY ONE OF THESE SECTIONS HAS A PERSONNEL LINE AND IT SHOWS WHAT THE, UM, REQUESTED INCREASE OR WHAT SOME INSTANCES DECREASE WOULD BE IN PERSONNEL COSTS. AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE SALARY STUDY THAT HR HAS CONDUCTED. YES. I REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT THERE'S A FUNDAMENTAL MISS HERE THAT WE'RE NOT HEARING ABOUT THIS SALARY STUDY IN TOTAL OF THIS IS WHAT WE LEARNED. BECAUSE WHEN I GO THROUGH THESE SECTIONS, I MEAN LIKE IN SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, PLUS 15% AND HERE IT'S PLUS 1% AND LIKE, ARE WE GONNA GET THE FULL VIEW OF THIS IS WHAT THE SALARY STUDY TOLD US? YES. THAT IS, UM, ONE OF THE PRESENTATIONS SCHEDULED TODAY IS FOR TO COME IN, OH, EXCUSE ME, TOMORROW. SO I GUESS OUT OF ORDER FOR UNDERSTANDING THE CHANGES, BUT AT THE VERY HIGH LEVEL, THE SALARY SURVEY, UM, RESULTS ARE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET NOW. OKAY. UM, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR HOW TO ADJUST ALL OF THOSE, I DID PUT INTO THE BASE BUDGET TO SEE HOW MUCH THAT WAS GONNA AFFECT EVERYTHING. MM-HMM . AND SINCE WE'RE STILL ABLE TO HAVE THE OVERALL BUDGET LOWER THAN THE CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET, EVEN WITH THAT IN, I LEFT IT IN. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER POINT ON THAT, THAT, UH, RUSS WILL EXPLAIN IS THAT THE SALARY SURVEY ADJUSTS THE PAY RANGES FOR EACH TYPE OF POSITION, BUT DOESN'T NECESSARILY EQUATE TO THE INDIVIDUAL IN THAT POSITION GETTING THAT AMOUNT OF AN ADJUSTMENT. SO WE'RE ADJUSTING THE PAY RANGES AND THEN FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHERE THE INTERNAL EQUITY, UM, WHICH IS ANOTHER KIND OF EVALUATION FORMULA, SHOWED THAT WE NEEDED TO ADJUST AN INDIVIDUAL PERSON WITHIN THAT SCALE, THEN WE DID THAT AS WELL. UM, AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S NOT AN ACROSS THE BOARD EVEN AMOUNT THAT'S APPLIED TO EVERYBODY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. BECAUSE EACH POSITION HAD DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHANGES. UM, YOU KNOW, SOME ARE ALREADY AT MARKET AND THERE WAS NO CHANGE. UM, OTHERS WERE BELOW SO WE HAD TO BRING THEM UP. RIGHT. UM, AND HE'LL GO OVER ALL OF THAT. OKAY. MM-HMM . AND THEN ALSO THE LAST THING I WOULD COMMENT ON IS, UM, WE DO HAVE DEPARTMENTS WHERE THEY HAVE, UM, NEW PO PEOPLE TAKING POSITIONS. SO THEY'RE AT A LOWER, UH, LEVEL ON THE PAY RANGE THAN THE PERSON THEY REPLACE. SO YOU'LL SEE, UM, DECREASES, I GUESS IN THE PERSONNEL BUDGET. 'CAUSE WE JUST HAVE A, UM, A NEWER PERSON IN THE POSITION, FOR EXAMPLE. OKAY. I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE HAD, I MEAN IT'S 113 PAGES FROM NOW, WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT IN THIS UH, DECK THAT WE RECEIVED TODAY. UM, OKAY, THAT'S FINE. UH, ALSO IN THE IT SECTION, IT PAGE FIVE IT EXPENDITURES PER FTE, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT A GOOD BENCHMARK IS FOR THAT? I MEAN, WE'RE SAYING WE'RE PROJECTING IT TO BE $10,600 IN IT EXPENDITURE PER FTE. IS THAT GOOD? IS THAT BAD? LIKE WHAT'S, WHAT, HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT THAT? UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE BENCHMARKS. I KNOW, I REMEMBER WHEN THEY STARTED IT AND, UH, WAS JUSTIN, THAT WAS THE CITY MANAGER BACK THEN. AND, UM, HE HAD MENTIONED THAT WE'RE JUST GONNA COLLECT THESE NUMBERS AND, AND LOOK FOR TRENDS AS FAR AS WHAT IS A GOOD NUMBER, UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT. I MEAN, FOR LIKE A PLACE LIKE, UM, UH, CITY OF PHOENIX, THAT NUMBER'S GONNA BE HIGHER. BUT FOR A PLACE LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, A A A MUCH SMALLER TOWN THAN CONWAY, THAT NUMBER IS GONNA BE LOWER. BUT I DON'T HAVE A GOOD NUMBER THAT WOULD FIT SEDONA. OKAY. AND THEN HELP DESK REQUESTS RECEIVED FROM FY 24 TO ESTIMATED 25, IT NEARLY DOUBLED. WERE WE NOT COUNTING AS MANY OF THOSE BEFORE? I'M ASSUMING THAT SURELY WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A DOUBLING IN THE NUMBER OF HELP DESK REQUESTS FROM 3,900 TO 75, 64. SO ARE WE JUST COUNTING DIFFERENTLY MAYBE? UM, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO GET A ACCURATE COUNT 'CAUSE WE GET A LOT OF WHAT WE CALL WALK BYS. UH, WHEN WE GO OVER TO A BUILDING, SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON TRYING TO GET THAT BETTER. MM-HMM . UM, UH, BUT THERE ALSO HAS BEEN INCREASES. OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, OR A COMMENT, THE IT VEHICLE, UM, UH, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A BETTER VIEW OF LIKE OUR FLEET THAT WE HAVE OUTSIDE OF POLICE [02:30:01] TO KNOW DO WE REALLY NEED TO DO THIS? LIKE, I GET IT THAT IT'S CONVENIENT. YOU TALKED ABOUT IF WE DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING WE NEED, THEN YADA YADA, WE GOTTA GO BACK AND GET SOMETHING ELSE. IS THAT A $55,000, YADA, YADA, I DON'T KNOW. RIGHT. AND AS COUNCILOR PETE LIKES TO REMIND ME, IT'S NOT JUST THE $55,000 DOWNSTROKE NOW IT'S INSURANCE, MAINTENANCE, FUEL, UH, YOU KNOW, ET CETERA. SO THERE'S AN ONGOING COST TO THIS TOO. I DON'T KNOW, DO WE HAVE GOOD UTILIZATION ON OUR FLEET RIGHT NOW? ARE WE MAXED OUT ON THAT? LIKE THAT, LIKE THAT RUNS THROUGH MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, RIGHT? YES. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. COUNSELOR LTZ, UM, THAT BECAME APPARENT TO BARBARA AND I RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS THAT WE NEED, UM, TO HAVE A CENTRALIZED FLEET MANAGEMENT, UM, PROGRAM, SO TO SPEAK. NOT THAT WE NEED EMPLOYEES TO DO IT, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, A TEAM OF THE STAFF TO COME TOGETHER AND REVIEW THIS. UM, IT'S, EACH DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, MANAGING THEIR OWN OR DEALING WITH THEIR OWN NEEDS FOR EQUIPMENT LIKE VEHICLES, UM, WHICH IS FINE. AND PAST CITY ADMINISTRATIONS HAD, UM, UH, RECOMMENDED THAT WE USE THE ENTERPRISE LEASING PROGRAM, THINGS LIKE THAT TO, UM, DEAL WITH OUR FLEET. BUT AT THIS POINT WE FEEL LIKE A FRESH LOOK IS NEEDED TO SEE, UM, HOW WE'RE MANAGING THAT. WHAT ARE POOL CARS VERSUS ASSIGNED CARS? YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE MAINTENANCE COSTS? REPLACEMENT COSTS, ARE WE SAVING FOR THEM? WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE SURPLUS ONES THAT AREN'T BEING USED ANYMORE AND ARE WE ACTUALLY GETTING RID OF 'EM? AND I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE DEEP DIVE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. AND, UM, THAT BEING SAID THOUGH, WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET AND EVALUATED ALL OF THESE VEHICLE REQUESTS, I DID SAY NO TO SEVERAL OF THEM. AND, UM, BUT CHUCK HAD A COMPELLING ARGUMENT AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE POOL VEHICLE FOR HIM TO BORROW TO DO THIS. WELL, AND SO I DID, UM, AGREE ON THIS ONE PARTICULAR ONE TO INCLUDE IN THE BUDGET. UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE LIKE TOO MANY VEHICLES. UM, IT'S JUST HOW WE'RE, UM, KIND OF KEEPING TRACK OF AND MANAGING AND UM, MAKING THE DECISIONS GOING FORWARD WITH THEM AS THEY'RE AGING OUT OF THE FLEET. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY ON OUR RADAR. WE TALKED ABOUT IT. OKAY. AS WE WERE PUTTING ALL OF THIS TOGETHER, OH, I, I WAS GONNA ASK IF IT'S A BIG ENOUGH PROBLEM THAT IT CAN'T WAIT FOR NEXT YEAR FOR YOU ALL TO DO THE, THE LOOK AT THE FLEET SITUATION THAT WE HAVE. ALTHOUGH I WAS SAYING THAT YOU WERE, UH, SOMEWHAT CONVINCING FOR ME THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE YOU SAID YOU'VE ALREADY SAID NO TO OTHERS, UM, I'LL, I'LL CERTAINLY TAKE THIS ONE INTO GREATER CONSIDERATION. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE I WAS GONNA SAY, HEY, IF WE'RE GONNA RE-LOOK AT EVERYTHING, THEN MIGHT NOT JUST WAIT A YEAR. LIKE, THIS IS NOT MISSION CRITICAL, RIGHT. IT'S, IT'S CONVENIENCE FIRST AND FOREMOST. RIGHT. IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT HELP. MM-HMM . OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO MELISSA, WE SKIPPED YOU, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? OKAY. I DID. OKAY. DID I SKIP YOU? YEAH. OH, I DID, I DID. ALRIGHT. THERE YOU GO. EVERYBODY THOUGHT YOU STARTED. I THOUGHT I DID TOO, SO, OKAY. WELL YOU DID, BUT THEN YOU, ANYWAY. NO PROBLEM. I, I I JUST, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY A TAG ON TO BRIAN'S COMMENTS. WE WERE GIVEN INFORMATION, ACTUALLY THIS STARTED BEFORE MY TIME, BUT WE'VE ASKED OVER THE YEARS TO, FOR AN ANALYSIS OF THE ENTERPRISE PROGRAM, IS IT WORKING, IS IT NOT WORKING? IS IT SAVING US MONEY AS IT WAS INTENDED TO DO OR NOT TO SHIFT NOW TO BUYING A CAR WITHOUT THAT ANALYSIS OF THAT PROGRAM TO ME IS THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. NOT THAT WE SHOULDN'T GET A, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A VEHICLE FOR IT, IT'S JUST IN GENERAL, IF WE'RE SHIFTING FROM A LEASE PURCHASE TO A OUTRIGHT PURCHASE, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND WHAT THAT PRO. SO IF YOU CAN GET THAT PROGRAM ANALYSIS DONE BEFORE WE COMPLETE THE BUDGET PROCESS, IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU COUNSELOR. PLU. UM, WELL I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THE FULL BLOWN FLEET ANALYSIS BEFORE THE END OF THIS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE MAY 27TH. UH, BUT WE CAN BRING YOU MORE INFORMATION ON WHY OUR PROCUREMENT OFFICER RECOMMENDED TO ME THAT WE JUST OUTRIGHT PURCHASE THIS PARTICULAR VEHICLE AND NOT DO IT THROUGH THE ENTERPRISE LEASE, WHICH HE DID DO THAT ANALYSIS FOR THIS SITUATION. SO I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT. [02:35:01] BUT IN TERMS OF THE BIG PICTURE, WHETHER ENTERPRISE IS A GOOD DEAL FOR US OR WE'RE MOVING AWAY FROM IT, THAT'S GONNA TAKE US SOME MORE TIME TO DO THAT ANALYSIS. OKAY. WE GOOD? OKAY. LET'S GO WITH DEREK AND COME BACK. . UM, I JUST WANNA, BUT NOT LEAST SOMETIMES YOU DEFINITELY, AND ACTUALLY I'M LAST, I DO THAT ON PURPOSE. GO AHEAD. I WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE, THIS ISN'T JUST A MATTER OF CONVENIENCE. I MEAN, HOWEVER MUCH TIME THE IT STAFF ARE SPENDING, LOADING AND UNLOADING THE VAN AND MAKING MULTIPLE TRIPS FROM WHEREVER IS TIME SPENT NOT DOING THEIR JOB. I MEAN, NOT TO SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR JOB, BUT I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S DOWNTIME, IT'S TRAVEL TIME AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO GET THEM PROPERLY EQUIPPED WHERE THEY NEED TO BE MORE QUICKLY, THEN WHATEVER THE PROBLEM IS IS GONNA GET FIXED MORE QUICKLY AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE MORE TIME TO ADDRESS THE NEXT PROBLEM. SO, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT, WELL, IT'S JUST CONVENIENCE. SAME WITH THE BUS BAR. AND WE SAY, WELL, IT'S JUST CONVENIENCE. YEAH, IT'S CONVENIENCE, BUT IT'S ALSO HAVING A STAFF MEMBER DRIVE DOWN TO PHOENIX OR FLAGSTAFF OR, OR WHEREVER. SO I JUST THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. THANKS DEREK. PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. CHUCK. UH, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. KINDA LIKE, UH, LOOKING AT YOUR IT FIVE PAGER METRICS. ONE CURIOUS ONE TO ME WAS THE, UH, PUBLIC ACCESS TO GIS INFORMATION WEB HITS HAD GONE WAY DOWN. UM, AND JUST BECAUSE IT'S PUBLIC FACING, DO YOU KNOW WHY DID WE, DO WE LOSE A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT MADE A LOT OF REQUESTS? OR DID WE MAKE, DID WE MAKE THE SYSTEM HARDER TO USE OR, WELL, WHAT THAT'S ACTUALLY DERIVED FROM IS THE NUMBER OF WEDGE WEBPAGES THAT WE HAVE, UH, WHERE THE MAPS ARE. AND THAT HAS GONE DOWN QUITE A BIT. UH, UH, WE CAN THEORIZE ON IT, BUT, UH, MY TAKE ON IT, MY, MY BEST GUESS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH MORE, YOU KNOW, MAPS AND INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET OUT, OUT THERE. GOOGLE MAPS, UM, OTHER SOURCES YOU'RE SAYING? CORRECT. HMM. OKAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND THEN, UH, I NOTICED NOT IN YOUR 26 OBJECTIVES WAS ANY ROLE IN THE BROADBAND CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON. IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME TO ASK, DID DID YOU HAVE A ROLE IN THE INTERNAL WORK THAT WAS GOING ON WITH BROADBAND CONVERSATIONS BEFORE? DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD HERE? DID YOU MISS THAT IN YOUR OBJECTIVES OR WHAT? UM, I, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED. THE, UM, THERE'S BEEN REAL NO CHANGE SINCE THAT ONE. UH, YOU KNOW, MOVING, UH, GETTING COUNCIL RESOLUTION TO SELECT ONE PARTICULAR ISP, UH, THE ONLY REAL CHANGE. I CHECKED IT, UH, JUST A FEW DAYS AGO. UM, I, I'LL SPOT CHECK IT EVERY NOW AND THEN IS OCCASIONALLY THE TIME I'M OUT A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. SO YOU ARE INVOLVED, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO HEAR AND YOU WILL CONTINUE TO BE AS IT MOVES FORWARD. I THINK YOU HAVE UH, SOMETHING TO ADD TO THAT CONVERSATION. SO THANK YOU. AND THEN JUST THE ONE CON QUESTION I HAD ABOUT YOUR IT VEHICLE, YOUR JUSTIFICATION DIDN'T TELL ME. YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT LOADING UP AND LOADING DOWN AND THE CONVENIENCE EFFORT. HOW OFTEN WOULD YOUR STAFF HOP IN A VEHICLE? OR DO THEY, IS IT ONCE A DAY, ONCE A WEEK, FOUR TIMES A DAY? UH, PULLING AN AVERAGE IS, IS DIFFICULT. UM, IF I HAD TO MAKE A GUESS BE ONCE, UH, BETWEEN ONE AND MAYBE TWO A DAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. GOOD. TRY TO DO AS MUCH POSSIBLE REMOTE. YEP. YEP. AND I ALSO AM INTERESTED, UH, CITY MANAGER ABOUT UNDERSTANDING OUR FLEET MANAGEMENT UPDATE WHEN YOU GET THAT TO THAT. THANK YOU. KATHY, YOU'RE NOT LAST, BUT YOU ARE THE BEST. THANK YOU. I'M GLAD YOU RECOGNIZE THAT. ABSOLUTELY. UM, ON YOUR IT PAGES TWO AND THREE, I I JUST ABOUT YOUR FY 26 OBJECTIVES, AND I'M NOT PICKING ON ANY PARTICULAR OBJECTIVE, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING, UH, DOWN TOWARD THE END THIRD, FROM THE BOTTOM ON PAGE IT TWO, YOU'VE GOT MIGRATE FROM DIALING NINE TO SEVEN TO DIAL OUT PREVENTING ACCIDENTAL 9 1 1 CALLS. HOW OFTEN DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN AND HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO ACTUALLY DO THAT EXERCISE? UH, THE, THE COST IS JUST OUR ENGINEERING TIME. IT HASN'T BEEN A HIGH PRIORITY. UM, IT USED TO HAPPEN 20 TIMES A MONTH OR SO. HOW MANY, UH, 20 TIMES A MONTH BETWEEN 20 AND 40. WELL, I COULD TELL YOU WHY, BUT, UM, AND WHAT HAPPENS IS, I KNOW PD COULD TELL YOU MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT IF THEY GET A 9 1 1 CALL, THEY HAVE TO SHOW UP. EVEN IF YOU CALL BACK AND SAY, I'M SORRY. AND YOU DON'T HAVE A PROJECTED COST ON THAT ROUGHLY, JUST, IT'S JUST GONNA BE STAFF TIME. IT'S OKAY. AND MY OTHER QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH, UM, ON PAGE IT 3 1, 2, 3, 4 FROM THE BOTTOM, NO WRONG, THREE FROM THE BOTTOM, THE PD BODY AND VEHICLE CAMERA SYSTEM. UM, [02:40:01] I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M REMEMBERING THIS CORRECTLY. THAT USED TO BE IN THE PD BUDGET AND LAST YEAR GOT MO OR THE YEAR BEFORE IT GOT MOVED INTO THE IT BUDGET. IS THAT CORRECT? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE SO THAT I HAVE THE, THAT RIGHT IN MY HEAD. UH, THE ANY SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE IS, SHOULD BE THE IT BUDGET. SO THIS HAS ALWAYS CONSISTENTLY BEEN, BECAUSE I THINK I RECALL THAT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN THE PD BUDGET BECAUSE SOMETHING WAS MOVED INTO IT. I THOUGHT I REMEMBERED THAT AND I WANTED TO HAVE THAT CONTEXTUALLY AS I'M EVALUATING ALL THIS, MOST OF IT HAS BEEN IN, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW THINGS CAUGHT THAT WERE NOT IN IT, THAT HAVE BEEN MOVED OVER AND THAT'S TRUE OF A FEW OTHER DEPARTMENTS. OKAY. SO ON THIS, BECAUSE I, BECAUSE THIS LOOKS LIKE, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT EXPENDITURE. SO I'M JUST WONDERING, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT, WHERE I, IN MY HEAD PUT THIS IN TERMS OF PD COSTS AS WELL. SO I'M JUST, OKAY, YOU'VE ANSWERED, I'M GOOD. THERE'S ALWAYS A TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND FOR ANY EX EXPENDITURES IN IT THAT RELATE TO DEPARTMENTS IN THE GENERAL FUND. SO EFFECTIVELY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT STILL PAYS FOR IT, BUT BECAUSE IT IS AN INTERNAL SERVICE, IT'S LIKE AN INTERNAL SERVICE CHARGE. OKAY. THAT THAT, THANK YOU. THAT'S OF CONTEXT. OKAY. YOU'RE GOOD? MM-HMM . OKAY. HI CHUCK. UH, MY FIRST QUESTION I HAVE, UH, IT DOESN'T PERTAIN TO SOME OF THE OTHERS ISSUES, BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE MDTS. DOES THAT CHANGE BECAUSE OF THE NEW ENHANCED, UH, UH, RADIO SYSTEM WE'RE PUTTING IN? DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THOSE NUMBERS? DO WE NEED A NEW MDT SYSTEM TOO? UH, NO. THEY'RE, THEY'RE SEPARATE. IT GOES GOOD. OKAY. I WAS CONCERNED 'CAUSE YOU SAID WE DO WHAT, FIVE A YEAR? CORRECT. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS GONNA INCREASE. UH, LET ME ADDRESS THE 9 1 1 CALLS TO SOMEONE WHO USES THE INTERNAL PHONE TO GET OUTSIDE THE CITY. NORMALLY INSIDE THE CITY WE DO NINE AND THEN, UH, 9 2 8. IF YOU GO BEYOND, YOU HAVE TO GO LIKE A FLAGSTAFF, YOU HAVE TO DO NINE ONE. IS THAT THE WAY? IT IS NOT. OH, OUTSIDE THE, UH, YOU HAVE TO DO, THERE'S A ONE IN THERE. I COULD SEE SOMEBODY MAKING A MISTAKE AND DOING A SECOND ONE. SO THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD. I'VE NEVER MADE THAT MISTAKE, BUT I COULD SEE IT HAPPENING. UH, AS FAR AS THE, UH, VEHICLE, I SUPPORT THE VEHICLE BECAUSE I, I'M SURE MOST OF US AREN'T JUST THINKING HOW MANY EXTERNAL LOCATIONS WE HAVE NOW, UH, ON, ON THE CITY, UH, PROPERTY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO TO. AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT YOU HAD SOMETHING ON MINGUS. I THOUGHT THAT WAS PART OF SEDONA FIRE. UH, THEY HAD A, A UH, TOWER ON MINGUS. I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD TO GO UP THERE, BUT I COULD SEE YOU DRIVING ALL THE WAY UP THERE AND NOT HAVING ONE CONNECTOR OR WHATEVER YOU NEED. YEP. RIGHT. SO, UH, I, I GET IT. UM, SO, UM, LET ME SEE. AND HOW MANY EXTERNAL LOCATIONS DO WE HAVE? YOU HAVE BREWER, YOU HAVE, UH, NEXT DOOR. ABOUT HOW MANY DIFFERENT LOCATIONS? UM, OFF THE TIME. I HEAD AROUND 12. UM, BUT IT'S IN THE, UH, IT'S ONE OF THE, UH, BENCHMARKS, WELL, IT'S, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACT. OKAY. IT'S AROUND 12. IN NEXT COUPLE YEARS WE'LL GO, WE'LL HAVE THE PARKING GARAGE AND WHATEVER WE'RE DOING WITH MAINTENANCE, WHETHER IT'S OUT AT WASTEWATER, ANOTHER, ANOTHER LOCATION. SO IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE SOMETHING LARGE AND TRANSPORT TO INSTALL IT AND YOU HAVE A POOL VEHICLE THAT'S A TINY LITTLE ESCAPE. IT DOESN'T WORK TOO WELL, DOES IT? CORRECT? OCCASIONALLY WE'LL BRING IN OUR OWN VEHICLE THERE. I BROUGHT MY PICKUP TRUCK IN A FEW TIMES TO MOVE, BUT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO USE YOUR PICKUP TRUCK, SO. OKAY. I, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. UH, MELISSA SHAW, MAYOR, YOU HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP. OKAY. SO, SO I'M JUST GONNA JUMP IN ON THE VEHICLE SINCE THIS SEEMS TO BE RADICALLY IMPORTANT. UM, I CERTAINLY GET IT. UM, I JUST, I, I REALLY DO UNDERSTAND ALL THE THINGS YOU NEED TO CARRY AROUND JUST IN CASE YOU NEED A PIECE OR A CHIP OR, IT'S, IT'S A LOT. AND I GET THAT. SO I DIDN'T BRING IT UP 'CAUSE IT SEEMED REASONABLE TO ME. AND IT JUST, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING PAID FOR OUTRIGHT AND BEING LEASED TO ME IS ALMOST AT THIS POINT IRRELEVANT. IT'S GONNA COME OUTTA THE BUDGET. IT'S GONNA COME OUT OF THE BUDGET. IF IT'S LEASED, IT'S GONNA COME OUTTA THE BUDGET IF WE PAY FOR IT. UM, THE LEASE MAY OR MAY NOT INCLUDE MAINTENANCE. SO MAINTENANCE MAY OR MAY NOT BE A SEPARATE LINE ITEM THAT WILL HAVE TO BE HAPPENING, WHETHER IT'S LEASED OR IT'S PAID. SO YES, UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR FLEET IS DOING AND WHETHER OR NOT THE ENTERPRISE PROGRAM IS A BETTER PROGRAM THAN OUTRIGHT PURCHASE, WHETHER OR NOT THE LIFETIME OF THE VEHICLE IS BETTER, I GET ALL OF THAT. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE NEED THE VEHICLE, IT'S COMING OUTTA THE BUDGET. IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE IT'S COMING OUTTA THE BUDGET. SO I JUST WANNA SAY I SUPPORT GETTING A VEHICLE AND I AM SURE THAT STAFF WILL FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE PAYING FOR IT. [02:45:02] OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE. YES. OH, PETE. YES. I'M SORRY. YOU DID ASK. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, CHUCK, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION NUMBER UNIQUE SYSTEMS IS ALSO INCREASING. IS THAT A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING? UH, IT'S NEITHER GOOD NOR BAD. IT'S A WORKLOAD INDICATOR. UH, UNIQUE SYSTEMS, UH, TELLS YOU HOW MUCH DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES THAT WE NEED TO TRY TO KEEP IN OUR HEAD. UM, SEVEN HUNDRED'S QUITE A BIT. YEAH. UH, FOR THE AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES WE HAVE, UH, WE DO HAVE NOTES GO BACK AND FORTH, BUT IT IS A WORKLOAD INDICATOR. YOU KNOW, YOU WORK ON ONE SYSTEM, YOUR BRAIN GETS INTO IT. YOU, YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT IT ALL DOWN AND THEN SOMEONE CALLS ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE AND YOU HAVE TO FLUSH THAT AND RELOAD UP ALL THAT. IS THERE ANY, IS THERE AN EFFORT WHEN PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT A NEW SYSTEM THAT YOU TRY TO DO SOMETHING WITH AN EXISTING SYSTEM BEFORE ADDING? UH, WE DO STANDARD STANDARDIZED SYSTEMS. UH, WINDOWS 10, UH, CERTAIN SUITE OF SERVERS. WE DON'T DO APACHE SERVERS. UH, WE DO INSIST ON CERTAIN STANDARDS. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN JUST A QUICK NOTE, BARB, UH, IN, IN ALL THESE MOVING FORWARD BRACKETS IN MY MIND MEAN A NEGATIVE NUMBER, . SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FORMATTING ISSUES, I THINK IN SOME OF THESE WHERE THERE'S NON BRACKETED AND BRACKETED AND I, I'D LOVE TO SEE THE, SO COUNSELOR, WE HAVE NEW, UH, BUDGET SOFTWARE WITH QUESTA. I TRIED TO REWORK IT A HANDFUL OF TIMES AND FOR SOME REASON EVERY TIME IT DOES AN OUTPUT, IT JUST PUTS THESE BRACKETS AROUND IT. SO THAT'S AN ONGOING QUESTION I HAVE WITH QUESTA RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU CHUCK FOR PRESENTATION. THANKS FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR KEEPING THIS, UH, SYSTEM BULLETPROOF. THANKS. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE INTO MY SECTION AND I'M GONNA GO AGAIN FAST THAT MAYBE WE CAN, UH, CATCH UP A LITTLE BIT ON TIME. UM, FINANCIAL SERVICES IS A PRETTY EASY ONE. UM, OUR OVERALL CHANGE IS JUST 3%. WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES GOING DOWN, SALARIES AND BENEFITS IS GOING UP BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF SALARY SAVINGS LAST YEAR THAT WE REALLOCATED TO OTHER THINGS. UM, SO WELL THIS YEAR THAT WE'RE IN, UM, SO THAT'S THE, THE DEAL THERE. OUR ONE-TIME COST IS REALLY JUST THE WASTEWATER RATE STUDY, WHICH WE PLAN TO DO THE RFP FOR THAT BEFORE THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. AND THEN, UM, AND THEN DO THE ACTUAL STUDY DURING NEXT FISCAL YEAR. AND OUR DECISION PACKAGE IS ACTUALLY SORT OF CITY MANAGER AND FINANCE. IT'S GRANT MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE ADD-ON, UM, CALLED ECIS. UM, AND THAT'S TO HELP WITH MANAGING, MANAGING GRANTS AND COMPLIANCE AND ALL THOSE THINGS. SO QUESTIONS ABOUT FINANCE. THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. BARB, JUST ONE QUESTION ABOUT YOUR METRICS. SEEING THE PERCENT OF PURCHASES ON THE PCARDS GOING DOWN, IS THAT A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING? IT IT, IN THE, IN THIS CONTEXT, IT'S A GOOD THING. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE IS A PURCHASE ORDER IN PLACE, THAT WE'RE NOT THEN USING A PCARD BECAUSE THOSE TWO THINGS DON'T LINK. UM, IF WE WERE ABLE TO LINK THEM APPROPRIATELY, WE COULD DO THAT. BUT IT IS BETTER IF WE HAVE A PURCHASE ORDER IN PLACE FOR US TO EITHER DO AN A CH OR WE WOULD PREFER AN A CHA CHECK. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING IT IS REFLECTIVE OF WE'RE ACTUALLY USING MORE OF THE PURCHASE ORDER SYSTEM THAN PCARDS. GOOD. THANK YOU. NEXT QUESTION IS AN OLD QUESTION, BUT I THOUGHT I'D ASK YOU ONCE AGAIN, UH, ANY, I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT SDR REVENUE BREAKOUT. AGAIN, WE, WE'VE HAD THIS ISSUE IN THE PAST. WE ARE GETTING SOME SDR REVENUE PROJECTIONS FROM, UH, ARE THROUGH THE TOURISM FOLKS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S YOUR DATA AS WELL. DO YOU HAVE DIFFERENT DATA? THE BREAKOUT, HE'S REFERRING TO THE BREAKOUT ON THE BED TALKS BETWEEN HOTEL MOTELS VERSUS ST. YEAH, UN UNFORTUNATELY THE RULE IS THAT, AND IT'S NOT INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYERS THAT IT'S DRIVEN BY, BUT IT'S THE CONSOLIDATIONS. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST 10 QUOTE INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYERS AT THE STATE LEVEL. AND ONE INDIVIDUAL IS AIRBNB. SO IF YOU'RE LISTING YOUR HOME THROUGH AIRBNB AND YOU USE THEM FOR YOUR FINANCIAL STUFF, THEY'RE CONSIDERED ONE TAXPAYER BY THE STATE INSTEAD OF A THOUSAND. SO WE DON'T HAVE [02:50:01] 10 OF WHAT THE STATE DEFINES AS THOSE INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYERS TO BE ABLE TO LEGALLY BREAK THOSE OUT. I HEAR YOU. THAT'S, I THINK THAT THAT'S THE SAME EXPLANATION THAT WE'VE GOTTEN IN THE PAST. DOES SCOTTSDALE, DID THEY CHANGE THEIR OPINION AT ALL? THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN 10. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ABLE TO DO IT. SDR, HOW CAN THAT BE? WHAT OTHER, IT'S ONLY LIKE FIVE DIFFERENT, UH, MARKETPLACE. THEY HAVE, WELL, YOU, IF YOU DO YOUR STUFF YOURSELF, LIKE IF YOU ARE DOING YOUR TAXES YOURSELF, THEN YOU ARE AN INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYER FOR PER THE STATE. BUT IF YOU SUBMIT THEM THROUGH AIRBNB OR VRBO OR ONE OF THOSE OTHERS, YOU'RE JUST A CONSOLIDATED TAXPAYER WITH THAT OVERARCHING COMPANY. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE THE REALITY IS THERE'S HUNDREDS OF TAXPAYERS UNDERNEATH THAT AIRBNB UMBRELLA, RIGHT? AND I TALKED TO SCOTTSDALE 'CAUSE MY FRIEND WORKS THERE, AND I WAS LIKE, WHY ARE YOU ALLOWED TO DO IT? AND SHE WAS LIKE, YEAH, WE'VE GOT MANY MORE THAN 10. BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF LIKE SMALL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES THAT PAY THEIR OWN TAXES. THEY DON'T GO THROUGH AN A, ANOTHER AGENCY. I THINK WE DO. AND THAT'S, I FIND IT REALLY FRUSTRATING BECAUSE THE REALITY IS WE HAVE WAY MORE THAN 10, BUT THE WAY THE STATE REPORTS IT, THEY'RE LIKE, NOW YOU DON'T. SO IN THE, IN THE NOISE OF OUR STR EFFORTS, I'M REFLECTING BACK THAT WE'VE GONE OVER KURT AND YOU'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IN SOME OF THE FINANCE DOCU FROM THE STATE, IT ACTUALLY SAYS THAT THE TAXPAYERS, THE TAXPAYER, NOT THE TRANSMITTING COMPANY. AND SO HAVE WE ALSO THOUGHT ABOUT IN ANY OF OUR STR EFFORTS AS WE MOVE ON HERE IN THE FUTURE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A CLARIFICATION FROM THE STATE TO ACTUALLY DO THAT. SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE'VE PRESENTED THAT INFORMATION. SO THE, THE LAW DOES SAY IT'S THE TAX PAYER INFORMATION THAT'S PROTECTED AND, AND NOT TAX REMITTERS, RIGHT? AND THE AIRBNB IS REALLY PER THE DEFINITIONS OF TAX REMITTER. UM, AND SO THEIR INFORMATION, THEY'RE JUST TRANSMITTING THE INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYER ANYWAY. SO WE'VE PRESENTED THAT TO A ADO AND THEY'VE REJECTED THAT. UM, SO THE ONLY OPTION THEN WOULD BE TO TRY TO FORCE SOME LEGAL CONFLICT OR TRY TO GO ABOVE THEIR HEAD TO LIKE THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND GET THEM TO CHANGE IT AND OH, YEAH. OR IT COULD BE PART OF A LEGISLATIVE EFFORT AS WELL. RIGHT. IF WE GET ANY MOVEMENT ON STRS, COULD WE TRY TO TACK THAT INTO IT? YES. OR, OR A CHANGE IN THE STATE LAW TO, TO CLARIFY THAT. SO, OKAY. SO BARBARA, WHY DON'T YOU CONTINUE AND THEN WE'LL DO MORE QUESTIONS WHEN YOU QUESTIONS ON THIS. YEAH. OKAY. BRIAN, HOW, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE? HOW MANY PAYERS? THE QUESTION, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE? HOW MANY STR HAVE? HOW MANY PAYERS? PAYERS? OH, HOW, UH, GOSH, I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TAXPAYERS TOTAL? SORRY. WE CAN, WE CAN CUT GET BACK TO YOU WITH THAT. YEAH, BUT IT'S SOMETHING LESS THAN 10 APPARENTLY. RIGHT? BUT IT MIGHT BE NINE, MIGHT BE NINE . WE JUST HAVE TO START FORM YOUR OWN COMPANY, START PAYING AND THEN WE CAN EXACTLY. I'M SORRY, MAYOR, I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION FOR BARBARA. AND AGAIN, IN OUR DATA AS THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT, MANY DIFFERENT PLACES WE'RE REPORTING BED TAX AND SALES TAX. AND I KEEP THINKING TO MYSELF THAT LODGING IS A, SUCH A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THAT. SO LODGING PAYS FOR ALL THE BED TAX IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, AND THEN OUT OF THE SALES TAX IT'S ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER. SO I COULD KIND OF DO THAT MATH, BUT I'M WONDERING IF WE WOULDN'T BENEFIT BY ACTUALLY IDENTIFYING, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF OUR TAX BASE LODGING IN BOTH SOURCES AND THEN OTHER SALES TAX. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M GETTING AT, WE HAD A DISCUSSION THE OTHER DAY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS LODGING GROWING AND THE REST OF RETAIL DROPPING. AND I, AND I, I CAN'T EASILY DO THE MATH WITH NUMBERS THAT I SEE ALL THE TIME AND I'D BE MORE, I'D BE INTERESTED IN GETTING SOME INSIGHT INTO THAT. ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY. BRIAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON THE SAME TOPIC BEFORE WE, I THINK MY QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED, SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS, CONTINUE ON, BARBARA. OKAY. SO GENERAL SERVICES IS, EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY. SORRY, I, I WANTED TO, I DIDN'T SEE IT. I'M SORRY. IT'S OKAY. I WASN'T SURE IF SHE WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT THE DECISION PACKAGE AGAIN BEFORE MOVING ON. UH, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU MAYOR AND COUNSEL, UM, THAT THIS RECOMMENDATION IS A TIER ONE. WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS YET. UM, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IT IS NOT IN THE BUDGET NOW. UM, AND THAT, UM, BUT IF YOU WERE TO CONSIDER ADDING ADDITIONAL, UM, DECISION PACKAGES TOMORROW TO THE BUDGET, UM, THIS WOULD BE ONE IN THE, YOU KNOW, [02:55:01] TOP PRIORITY THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND ADDING IN, BUT WE CAN LIVE WITHOUT IT FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR WHATEVER. UM, IT WOULD BE GREAT THOUGH FROM, UM, OUR ACCOUNTING AND AUDITING AND COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL, UM, REPORTING AND ALL OF THAT TO, UM, NOT HAVE SUCH A MANUAL SYSTEM, ESPECIALLY WITH GETTING THE GRANTS. BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT THAT TIER ONE MEANS AND IT'S BASICALLY, IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET YET. OKAY. UH, BRIAN. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. ANNETTE, OR, UM, BARBARA, THIS IS NOT FOR SPORT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, BUT ON FINANCE PAGE FIVE ON THIS TOPIC, LIKE IT SAYS, I BELIEVE IT WILL PAY FOR ITSELF IN A YEAR OR LESS WITH THE EFFICIENCIES IT WILL CREATE IN MANAGING GRANTS. THAT'S PRETTY ANECDOTAL. I MEAN, IS THERE ANY REAL ROI PROJECTION ON THIS? SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST GOING ON TO TRUST ME INTUITIVELY. SURELY IT'LL BE BETTER THIS WAY. YEAH. SO, UH, COUNSELOR, THIS WAS WRITTEN BY OUR, THE CITY'S GRANTS ANALYST. UM, THERE'S NO KNOWING ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT GRANTS WE WILL RECEIVE, BUT IN TALKING TO HIM, THERE ARE CONSIDERABLE GRANTS THAT THE CITY IS NOT PURSUING JUST BECAUSE OF THE CAPACITY OF HOW THEY'RE CURRENTLY MANAGING THE GRANTS. SO IN THIS SOFTWARE, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ECIS DOES IS IT DOES SHOW YOU GRANTS THAT MIGHT NOT BE NECESSARILY ON YOUR RADAR. MM-HMM . SO I, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS, IS EXPOSING THE CITY TO MORE GRANTS THAN IT'S CURRENTLY PURSUING. I GUESS IN THAT REGARD, I, I MEAN THIS IS, THIS IS A, A TRUST ME ASK IS WHAT I INTERPRET THAT AS. AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION ON IT NOW, BUT IF WE DID SAY, YOU KNOW, YES FOR THIS, I WOULD REALLY WANNA SEE ONE YEAR FROM NOW SOME KIND OF ROI JUSTIFICATION THAT IT WAS WORTH IT AND WHETHER WE CONTINUE TO PAY FOR IT OR NOT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'D JUST LIKE TO NOTE FROM ANNETTE WHY IT'S A LOW PRIORITY. UM, I WOULDN'T THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S A LOW PRIORITY. I JUST, I PUT IT IN TIER ONE, WHICH IS THE VERY NEXT BELOW THE ONES THAT I DID PUT INTO THE BUDGET. OKAY. SO, UM, I, I, I THINK, LIKE I SAID IN THE BEGINNING, I HAD TO MAKE A LOT OF TOUGH CHOICES ON WHAT WENT INTO THE BASE BUDGET FOR YOUR REVIEW, KNOWING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE A LOWER BUDGET IF POSSIBLE. UM, AND YEAH, SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY, ALL OF IT ADDS UP EVENTUALLY. RIGHT? I GET SO I THOUGHT IT WAS, UM, AND I ALSO DIDN'T LIKE JUST SAYING OUTRIGHT NO. IN THE PAST IT WAS A YES OR A NO RECOMMENDATION. AND ON THIS I FELT LIKE, WELL, THERE'S NUANCES TO ALL OF THESE. SO I THINK IT'S NOT AN OUTRIGHT NO, BUT IT'S MAYBE A NOT THIS YEAR, I GUESS, UNLESS WE FEEL THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO ADD IT IN. OKAY. I THAT EXPLAINS IT. THANK YOU. OKAY, CONTINUE ON BARBARA. OKAY. SO THE GENERAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE EMPLOYEES. IT'S WHERE WE RECORD, UM, OTHER STUFF, DEBT SERVICE, CONTINGENCIES, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR THE WHOLE CITY, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT. SALARIES THAT SALARIES AND BENEFITS ARE ASSIGNED TO THAT DEPARTMENT FROM OTHER AREAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, PERCENTAGE OF ANNETTE'S TIME, A PERCENTAGE OF MINE, BUT THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC EMPLOYEES IN THIS AREA. UM, THE INCREASE THIS YEAR IS THE CONTINGENCIES LAST YEAR HAD PARTICULARLY LOW CONTINGENCIES CITYWIDE OF ABOUT 920,000. UM, OVER TIME TAKING OUT THE HUGE CONTINGENCY WE HAD IN PLACE FOR THE WESTERN GATEWAY, UM, THE AVERAGE IS CLOSE TO 3 MILLION A YEAR. SO WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO WHERE THAT WAS. I'M NOT SURE WHY LAST THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT WE'RE IN WAS A BIT LOWER, SO JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. UM, MOVING ON TO THE SMALL GRANTS BUDGET, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THESE THINGS 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE IMPORTANT. THIS IS HOW MANY SMALL GRANTS WE HAVE, UM, AVERAGE AWARD AND THE TOTAL AMOUNT. AND THEN THE NEXT PAGE ARE THE SERVICE CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE WITH, YOU KNOW, SERVICE PARTNERS, THE HUMANE SOCIETY, VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS, ALL OF THOSE AND HOW MUCH THOSE, UH, CONTRACTS ARE. AND THEN ARE, BEFORE YOU MOVE OFF THE SLIDE OF, I MIGHT COMMENT, THIS IS ONE OF THE DECISION PACKAGES AS WELL. UM, SEVERAL OF THESE ENTITIES HAVE COME [03:00:01] TO ME, UM, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WITH, UH, VARIOUS CHALLENGES THEY'RE FACING ON, UM, THEIR OWN EXPENDITURES FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS AND HAVE ASKED FOR AN INCREASE, UM, ABOVE WHAT WAS ALREADY IN THE CONTRACT FOR FY 26. UM, AND SO, UM, I DID CREATE A DECISION PACKAGE PLACEHOLDER THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT TOMORROW WHERE I ADDED AN ADDITIONAL 5%, AND THAT'S THAT LAST COLUMN I BELIEVE ON THE SLIDE. UH, HOWEVER, FOLKS LIKE THE HUMANE SOCIETY HAVE ASKED FOR, UM, MORE THAN THE 5% THAT I PUT INTO THE DECISION PACKAGE. SO AGAIN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT TOMORROW ABOUT HOW MUCH, UM, THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO ADJUST ANY OF THESE. THEY'RE ALL IN THE THIRD YEAR OF THEIR THREE YEAR. THIS WILL BE THE THIRD YEAR OF THEIR THREE YEAR CONTRACT. SO WE'LL BE GOING INTO NEGOTIATING NEW ONES AGAIN NEXT YEAR. OKAY. AND THIS NEXT SLIDE IS JUST LOOKING AT OUR OUTSTANDING BONDS. WE HAVE ABOUT 54 MILLION OUTSTANDING, MOSTLY TRANSPORTATION, SEDONA IN MOTION PROJECTS. UM, AND THEN THIS IS A LIST OF THE OUTSTANDING BONDS. I KNOW THAT'S SUPER EXCITING. UM, BUT THE NEXT SLIDE IS REALLY, THE IMPORTANT ONE FOR 26 DEBT SERVICE IS ABOUT 8.1 MILLION AND THEN IT DROPS TO ABOUT 5.2, AND THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR IT DROPS DOWN TO JUST OVER FOUR. SO WITHIN THE NEXT TWO YEARS, OUR DEBT SERVICE WILL BE HALVED. AND I THINK THAT'S, I IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND FOR CONTEXT FOR HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE SPENDING ON DEBT SERVICE. AND I ACTUALLY GOT THIS CHART DIRECTLY FROM STIFEL, LIKE I HAD THEM, I WAS LIKE, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? AND THEY, AND THEY PUT THIS TOGETHER SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS CONVERSATION ON, IT'S A CHART IN OUR BOOK. HOLD ON, PLEASE. UH, KATHY FIRST PLEASE. OKAY, BARBARA, DO WE GENERALLY HAVE, UM, PREPAYMENT ABILITY ON SOME OF THESE OR ARE THERE PENALTIES? WE ONLY HAVE ONE THAT HAS A PENALTY AND IT'S ACTUALLY ONLY GOT ONE MORE PAYMENT AND THAT'S NEXT YEAR. AND THAT'S THE ONLY ONE WITH A PENALTY. IT'S THE ONLY ONE WITH A PENALTY. SO ANY OF THESE COULD BE PAID DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO TRY AND SAVE SOME OF THE, THE INTEREST DEBT I, THE ONES THAT ARE CALLABLE. RIGHT. YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS BETTER THAN I CAN. 'CAUSE YOU'RE THE FINANCIAL SPECIFICALLY, I'M INTERESTED IN THE SERIES 2022. YEAH. WITH THE, EXCUSE ME, WITH THE SERIES 2022, THAT IS CALLABLE, UH, JULY 1ST, 2032 WITHOUT PREMIUM. UM, IN TERMS OF PREPAYMENT, UH, I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK ON THE DETAILS IF THERE IS A PENALTY, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE FOR ANY OF THE 2022 THROUGH 2024 THERE IS A PENALTY. UM, BUT I'LL HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW, UM, FOR TOMORROW'S CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. OKAY, VICE MAYOR, THEN PETE, THEN BRIAN. WELL ACTUALLY IT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION AS WELL. SINCE WE HAVE UNALLOCATED FUNDING, WE WERE CHOOSE TO REDUCE OUR DEBT, WHICH BONDS ARE WE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH? SHOULD THAT BE THE DECISION OF THE COUNCIL? UM, THE SECOND SERIES 2015 ENDS IN 2027, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ONE WOULD BE WORTH, UH, PREPAYMENT. SO THE REALLY THE FIRST WOULD BE THE SERIES 2022. SO I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO WHEN WE CAN BEGIN PREPAYMENT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE ON ANY OF THESE. THERE ARE PREPAYMENT PENALTIES, BUT I, AGAIN, I I HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT. WE HAVEN'T SPENT ALL OF THAT SERIES 2022 BOND PROCEEDS. RIGHT. UM, ACTUALLY, I DUNNO, ON THAT 1, 20 24 WE HAVE, UM, 2022. I'D HAVE TO LOOK. WE JUST HAD A, UH, A PAYMENT COME IN FOR ABOUT 6 MILLION. UM, AND WE WERE SITTING AT 18. SO I'D SAY WE'RE ABOUT, I, I'M JUST ESTIMATING, BUT ABOUT 11 MILLION REMAINING IN WHAT WE CAN DRAW DOWN ON. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. ALSO, PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. I WAS, UH, I FOUND THAT CHART HELPFUL. I WAS ASKING, I WAS THINKING QUESTIONS LIKE THIS AS WELL, AND IT WASN'T IN THE BOOK, BUT I SEE IT'S IN THE PRESENTATION. SO, UH, BUT THE WAY I WAS LOOKING AT IT WAS ON GI GS FOUR, LOOKING AT THE GENERAL FUNDS AND SEEING THE DEBT, UH, I'M NOT GONNA CALL IT A BUBBLE, BUT THE, THE, UH, GENERAL FUND PAYMENTS JUMP QUITE A BIT IN FISCAL YEARS 29 THROUGH 39. SO I WAS ASKING THE SAME KIND OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER WE CAN GET AHEAD ON SOME OF THAT STUFF TO REDUCE THE IMPACT OF THAT JUMP. AND LIKE MY COLLEAGUES LOOKING AT WHERE MIGHT WE PARK SOME SURPLUS FUNDS AND [03:05:01] I WOULD POINT TO GS FIVE AND THE FINANCED PURCHASES, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY TO GS NINE, THE MICRO TRANSIT VEHICLES AND THE FOUR OTHERS BELOW THAT ARE GENERALLY SPEAKING THE HIGHEST INTEREST RATE FINANCED DEBT THAT WE HAVE. AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE LOOKING TO PAY OFF TO SAVE THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF MONEY. SO I LOVE THAT MY COLLEAGUES ARE THINKING SIMILARLY ABOUT WHERE WE MIGHT USE SOME SURPLUS. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. YOU BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH AGAIN. COUNSELOR KINSELLA, YOU CAN'T KEEP UP. BRIAN, YOU'RE ON FIRE. WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO YOU FIRST, BRIAN, FOR NOW ON . NO, AND I KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE THAT, BUT BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. MAKES ME BE QUOTABLE, YOU KNOW, I I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I AVOID THAT AT ALL COST. I KNOW. OKAY, BARBARA. OKAY, WELL THAT'S THE END OF GENERAL SERVICE AND AT THIS POINT WE SHOULD BE DOING CITY ATTORNEY AND THEN CITY CLERK AND SHORT TERM RENTAL, BUT AT 1130 WE'RE SCHEDULED FOR THE MUNICIPAL COURT. SO I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD JUST DO THOSE OUT OF ORDER SO THAT THE JUDGE DOESN'T HAVE TO YEAH, AND I DON'T WANT, HE'S STANDING THERE WITH A CA WITH A CANE, SO I GET IT. YEAH, HE JUST BOUGHT THE CANE JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT. HE DOESN'T REALLY NEED IT, BUT YEAH. SO YOU WANT HAVE IT JUDGE NOW. HONOR, SYMPATHY. OKAY, SO WE'LL, WE'LL START WITH MUNICIPAL COURT AND THEN GO BACK TO CITY ATTORNEY, CITY CLERK AND ST. JUDGE, YOU WANNA SIT DOWN? I'LL BRING YOU A MIC INSTEAD OF STANDING AT THE PODIUM OR YOU GOOD AT THE TABLE? OKAY. OKAY. OH, OKAY. I GOTTA PLAY TWICE. WELCOME BACK, JUDGE. THANK YOU. SO PAUL SCHLEGEL, PRESIDING MAGISTRATE, IT'S ALL YOURS. OKAY. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE STILL STRUGGLING WITH AT THE COURT IS OUR PERSONNEL ISSUE. UM, WE HAVE THREE COURT SPECIALISTS RIGHT NOW. WE JUST WERE FOUND OUT YESTERDAY THAT ONE OF THEM IS GONNA LEAVE. UM, SHE FOUND HER DREAM JOB, I GUESS SO. UM, SO THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH, SHE'S HAPPY WHERE SHE'S AT WORKING WITH US, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHE HAS A PASSION FOR DOING ELSEWHERE, SO CAN'T BLAME HER FOR LEAVING. UM, WE HAVE INTERVIEWED, UM, SEVERAL APPLICANTS. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING AN OFFER TO TWO OF THOSE APPLICANTS. UM, RIGHT NOW MY STAFF IS JUST STRUGGLING TO KEEP THEIR HEADS ABOVE WATER AND I ASKED MY COURT ADMINISTRATORS TO JUST PRIORITIZE WHAT WE NEED TO GET DONE, YOU KNOW, JUST TO ESSENTIALLY SURVIVE DAY BY DAY. UM, SO THAT MEANS WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ANY POST ADJUDICATED CASES. UM, UM, WE'RE NOT REALLY DEALING WITH ANY FAIR CASES RIGHT NOW. SO THE STAFF THAT I HAVE, AND IT'S GONNA BE DOWN TO TWO AS OF MAY 15TH, UM, SO THE TWO PEOPLE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO BRING A BOARD WOULDN'T START UNTIL SOMETIME IN JUNE. THAT'S THE, THE PROJECTION. SO RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD THEN LEAVE US AS OF MAY 15TH WITH JUST TWO COURT SPECIALISTS AND A COURT ADMINISTRATOR AND A PART-TIME WORKER AS WELL. UM, SO IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR MY STAFF RIGHT NOW TO JUGGLE EVERYTHING. THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING IS THAT WE'VE GOT A, A LOT OF APPLICATIONS FOR THIS LAST GO AROUND, BUT THE QUALITY OF THOSE APPLICANTS IS QUESTIONABLE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS AND OFFER THE POSITION TO THE, WHAT WE CONSIDER THE BEST, BEST PROSPECTS. BEST AND BRIGHTEST. YEAH. YES, WE'VE HEARD THAT. YEAH. UM, BUT RETENTION IS A, IS AN ISSUE. UM, WE'VE HAD TO LET GO OF SOME, SOME STAFF RECENTLY. UM, WE DON'T HAVE A COURT SECURITY OFFICER RIGHT NOW. UM, WE ARE, WE HAVE INTERVIEWED FOR THAT POSITION AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE AN OFFER TO AN INDIVIDUAL FOR THAT POSITION. UH, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THAT POSITION BE MADE FULL TIME. UM, IT IS A MANDATE, WELL, WE HAD A SECURITY ASSESSMENT DONE, AND THAT'S BASED ON SOME OF THE DECISION PACKAGES THAT WE'RE REQUESTING. IT'S REMODELING OF THE COURT, UH, THE REMODELING OF THE HALLWAY AND A FULL-TIME COURT SECURITY OFFICER. THOSE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE, UH, SECURITY ASSESSMENT THAT WAS RECENTLY COMPLETED. UM, BUT WITH, WITH REGARDS TO THE COURTROOM ITSELF, UM, IT IS MANDATED BY THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT THAT THE BENCH BE, HAVE BULLETPROOF MATERIAL. UM, SO THERE ARE SOME REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE NOT COMPLIED WITH FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE. AND IT'S ALSO [03:10:01] GONNA PROVIDE, OBVIOUSLY MORE SECURITY FOR OUR STAFF AND FOR THE PUBLIC. UM, AND THAT'S THE SAME WITH THE FULL-TIME COURT SECURITY OFFICER. UM, THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE A PART, HAD A PART-TIME SECURITY OFFICER, THOSE INDIVIDUALS KNOW WHAT THAT PERSON'S HOURS WERE, SO THEY WOULD WAIT UNTIL HE LEFT AND THEN THEY COME TO THE COURT. AND SO IT, IT CAUSED SOME ISSUES. UM, AND SOME CONCERNS. UM, AS FAR AS STAFFING, UM, I'M REQUESTING TWO MORE COURT SPECIALISTS. I KNOW THAT'S A BIG REQUEST, BUT WE ARE JUST SO UNDERSTAFFED AND IF WE, IF WE ARE FULL, FULLY STAFFED, WE'RE STILL JUST STRUGGLING TO KEEP HER HEADS ABOVE WATER. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M REQUESTING AT THIS POINT. AND JUDGE, I BELIEVE THAT ALL BUT THE TWO ADDITIONAL SPECIALISTS WERE SUPPORTED BY THE BUDGET WORK GROUP AS WELL AS THE CITY MANAGER. YES, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. SO, UH, BRIAN BEFORE KATHY GOES, YOU WANT TO APPLY? YEAH, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY THUNDER THIS TIME TO BE STOLEN, BUT, UH, IN ANY CASE, THANK YOU MAYOR. JUDGE, UH, THANKS FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING. SURE. I THINK IT'S STILL THIS MORNING. YES. UM, IN COURT DASH FOUR IN OUR PACKET, THAT'S WHERE THE REQUEST FOR THE TWO SPECIALISTS IS LOCATED. AND YOU STATED IN THERE THAT ACCORDING TO, UM, STATISTICS BY THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE OF THE COURT, THE COURT SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROCESS APPROXIMATELY 350 FILINGS ANNUALLY. IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE IN FILINGS THAT WE SEE HERE VERSUS WHAT THAT THREE 50 LOOKS LIKE? I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING FOR SOME EDUCATION HERE OR IS IT REALLY JUST A FILING? AS A FILING? AS A FILING? UH, WHEN WE HAVE DIFFERENT FILINGS, CRIMINAL FILINGS, OBVIOUSLY, UH, CIVIL TRAFFIC FILINGS AND, UM, CITY ORDINANCE FILINGS, UM, EACH ONE HAS A DIFFERENT TIME SPAN. CRIMINAL FILINGS USUALLY HAVE A A A TIME SPAN OF, I WOULD SAY, TO GET RESOLVED ANYWHERE BETWEEN TWO MONTHS TO A YEAR. REALLY. UM, CIVIL TRAFFIC FILINGS ACTUALLY GET RESOLVED A LOT QUICKER BECAUSE THEY'RE EITHER GONNA PAY THE FINE OR THEY'RE GONNA REQUEST A, A CIVIL TRAFFIC HEARING ON THAT AND WE SET THOSE RATHER QUICKLY. UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR CIVIL TRAFFIC HEARINGS, SO IT DEPENDS ON THE, THE NATURE OF THE FILING. UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UM, LOOKING AT THE NOTES THAT I BROUGHT AS FAR AS POST ADJUDICATED CASES, AND I HAD TALKED TO Y'ALL PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THE NEED TO HAVE A, A, A SPECIALIST TO JUST WORK POST ADJUDICATED CASES. RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT. UM, WE HAVE 18,817 POST ADJU CASES THAT WE ARE NOT TOUCHING RIGHT NOW. 18,000, 18,817, GOING BACK MANY YEARS BACK TO 1989. OH GOD. YEAH. IS THERE ANY EXPOSURE TO THE CITY YES. THAT, THAT'S SITTING THERE LIKE THAT? LEMME THINK. NOT, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. OKAY. NO. MM-HMM. SO JUST A, A BEST PRACTICE WE'RE NOT ADHERING TO. YEAH. OKAY. AND SO YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW THE CLERKS ARE PROCESSING APPROXIMATELY 600 FILINGS ANNUALLY, SO COMPARED TO YOUR 350 BENCHMARK, WE'RE MAXED OUT. YEAH. IS THERE ANY WAY TO GENERATE, SORRY, I GOTTA ASK, IS THERE ANY WAY TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE OUT OF THE COURT TO PAY FOR ANY OF THIS? UM, THE MORE CASES WE CAN PROCESS AND GET FILED OR GET, GET RESOLVED, UM, BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE STAFF TO DO THAT. AND ANY ABILITY TO FINE AT A HIGHER LEVEL DISCOUNT LESS, UM, AGAIN, I'M OUTTA MY ELEMENT HERE. I'M JUST ASKING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD TOUCH, UH, AS FAR, AS FAR AS FINES ARE, I MEAN, THERE'S A BOND BOOK THAT WE GO BY MM-HMM . UM, AND THERE ARE SOME MANDATORY SENTENCING REQUIREMENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, DUIS HAVE MANDATORY SENTENCING. UH, BUT THE, THE JUDGE DOES HAVE DISCRETION ON NON-MANDATORY SENTENCING CASES. BUT I USUALLY GO BY THE BOND BOOK AND UH, WHAT THAT FINE IS ESTABLISHED AS. OKAY. AND THEN ON THE COURT SECURITY OFFICER, YOU SAID THAT THERE ISN'T ONE CURRENTLY. MM-HMM . SO ARE YOU HIRING TEMP SECURITY OR LITERALLY YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SECURITY AT ALL RIGHT NOW? WE DON'T HAVE ANY SECURITY AT ALL RIGHT NOW. UM, [03:15:01] THE OFFER IS GOING OUT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM HR THAT IT'S GOING OUT SOMETIME THIS WEEK TO AN INDIVIDUAL TO START ON MONDAY, NEXT MONDAY, WHICH WOULD BE NICE. 'CAUSE WE HAVE A JURY TRIAL SET FOR NEXT WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. IS THERE ANY WAY TO PREVENT THE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT SOVEREIGN CITIZENS ARE POTENTIALLY, UH, DIFFICULT INDIVIDUALS. IS THERE ANY WAY TO PREVENT THEM FROM ACCESSING YOURSELF OR STAFF? CURRENTLY WHEN COURT IS NOT IN SESSION? NO. THE COURT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. SO, AND ACTUALLY THE TRIAL THAT'S SET FOR NEXT WEEK IS A SOVEREIGN CITIZEN TRIAL, SO IT'S GONNA BE INTERESTING. OKAY. BUT LIKE, LIKE YOU CAN ABOUT, THE ONLY THING YOU CAN GET INTO HERE AT CITY HALL IS LIKE THIS ROOM. RIGHT. WITHOUT HAVING A BADGE OR WHATNOT. SO ARE YOUR, IS YOUR CHAMBER, ARE THE OFFICES THAT THE CLERK'S WORK IN, ARE THEY THEY'RE SECURE. THEY'RE SECURE. YEAH. IT'S THE COURTROOM ITSELF IS THE EXPOSURE? NO, THE COURTROOM WHEN, NOT WHEN. I DON'T HAVE A, WHEN I'M NOT ON THE BENCH, WE HAVE THE COURTROOM LOCKED ALL THE TIME. SO THE PUBLIC ONLY HAS ACCESS TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND THE HALLWAY THAT GOES IN FRONT OF THE CLERK'S WINDOWS. OKAY. SO THAT'S THE ONLY ACCESS THAT THEY HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THANK YOU, MAYOR. MELISSA, NATHAN, UM, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO THANK YOU ER, COMING ALL THE WAY OVER HERE. IT'S APPRECIATED. UM, I'M THE COURT SPECIALIST. I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE WHEN I READ THE TEXT, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ASKING FOR ONE, BUT WHEN I READ THE HEADING, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ASKING FOR TWO. NO, I'VE ASKED FOR TWO. YOU'RE ASKED FOR TWO. 'CAUSE IT KEEPS TALKING ABOUT A, AN ADDITIONAL COURT SPECIALIST AS OPPOSED TO TWO ADDITIONAL COURT SPECIALISTS INSIDE OF THE TEXT. BUT YOU REALLY WANT THIS TO BE TWO, IT'S JUST THAT THE DESCRIPTION IS INCORRECT. YEAH, I THINK I DID TWO DECISION PACKAGES FOR EACH SPECIALIST. I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. I ORIGINALLY DID AND WE COMBINED THEM AND ARE BAD FOR NOT CHANGING HIS GRAMMAR TO MATCH WHAT WE DID. SORRY. BIG CATCH. WELL, IT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT THANK YOU. NOW I UNDERSTAND, UM, I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, THE CITY MANAGER. SO YOU'VE MADE THE COURT SPECIALIST REQUEST, UH, A TIER TWO. WHY, WHY IS THAT A TIER TWO GIVEN THE JUSTIFICATION THAT WE JUST HEARD? THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU, UH, COUNSELOR DUNN FOR THE QUESTION. UM, THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE WE, UH, ADDED A POSITION IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. AND, UM, I JUST, FROM THE DATA PROVIDED WAS UNABLE TO SEE WHAT, UM, IMPACT THAT HAD ON ALL OF THE SITUATION THAT HE'S BEEN DESCRIBING. SO I WASN'T SURE THAT ADDING TWO MORE VACANT POSITIONS TO THE BUDGET, UM, MADE SENSE RIGHT NOW, GIVEN WHAT'S GOING ON. SO THE, I DIDN'T OUTRIGHT SAY NO, BUT GIVEN THE OTHER POSITION REQUESTS THAT ARE IN THE DECISION PACKAGES FOR CONSIDERATION THAT AREN'T IN THE BUDGET YET, I DIDN'T SEE THESE AS, UM, RISING ABOVE. HOWEVER, IF WE WERE TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PATROL OFFICERS IN PD AND BE GENERATING MORE CITATION VOLUME THAN WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW, I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO REVISIT WHETHER THEY WOULD NEED ANOTHER STAFF PERSON BECAUSE WE WOULD GENERATE MORE VOLUME THAN WHAT WE ARE NOW. OKAY. SO, SO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU. YOU STOLE MY THUNDER. OH, , UM, ON WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, 'CAUSE THEY KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND. YOU STOLE MINE, BUT, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. UH, THE REASONING THAT YOU USED, THE REASON YOU USED IS THAT LAST YEAR, AN ADDITIONAL, UH, COURT SPECIALIST ADDED TO THE BUDGET AND YOU DIDN'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAD ENOUGH RETURN ON INVESTMENT METRICS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT ROLE, WHICH I'M ASSUMING WAS FILLED, WHICH I UNDERSTAND HAD DIFFICULTY FILLING AND RETAINING. UM, THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE BASIS OF YOUR DECISIONS. YOU REALLY WEREN'T CLEAR AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE GOT A VOLUME INCREASE FROM THAT INDIVIDUAL. IS THAT, AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? OKAY. SO JUDGE, THAT, THAT WOULD GO BACK TO YOU AS TO HOW WE GET THE KIND OF METRICS THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT ROLES THAT YOU'VE HAD PREVIOUSLY FILLED, UM, ARE ACTUALLY PRODUCING WHAT YOUR INTENT WAS. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD A CONSISTENCY WITH STAFF PERSONNEL TO REALLY MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. UM, AS FAR AS, WHEN WE HAD FOUR COURT SPECIALISTS, WE DID HAVE ONE WORKING POST ADJUDICATED CASES. BUT NOW THAT WE'RE, UH, [03:20:01] BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT CONSISTENCY, WE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT AVAILABILITY FOR A, TO TAKE A CLERK AND PUT THEM JUST ON POST ADJUDICATED CASES. AND THAT'S WHAT THE ORIGINAL POSITION WAS THAT WE HAD ASKED FOR LAST TIME THAT WAS GRANTED. SO IS THAT POSITION STILL OPEN? YES, IT IS. SO BASICALLY YOU HAVE ONE OPEN AND THEN THIS WOULD GIVE YOU THREE. WELL, SO WE HAVE TWO AND ONE'S LEAVING. SO WE'RE, AND WE HAD NO WAIT, SO WE HAD FOUR OPENINGS. UM, WE'RE GONNA BE AS OF MAY 15TH, WE'LL BE DOWN TO TWO SPECIALISTS. SO WE'RE GONNA HIRE HOPEFULLY TWO MORE SPECIALISTS. SO WE GET BACK TO FOUR. AND THEN I'M STILL REQUESTING TWO ADDITIONAL MORE. SO YOUR TOTAL COUNT WOULD BE SIX? YES. YOU CURRENTLY HAVE TWO, YOU HAVE TWO OPEN POSITIONS, AND YOU HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL ONES THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING. CORRECT. GIVEN, I, I, I KNOW I STEPPED AWAY FROM THE DAIS AND PROBABLY MISSED ALL THE IMPORTANT THINGS YOU SAID, BUT, UM, WHAT, HOW DO YOU FEEL SINCE YOU, YOU, WHAT I DID HEAR WAS THAT YOU, YOU'RE HAVING A HARD TIME FILING PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE QUALITY, UM, LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE THAT YOU NEED. GIVEN THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE TWO OPEN ONES, DO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT YOU CAN FILL THOSE TWO PLUS AN ADDITIONAL TWO IN THIS BUDGET YEAR? TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T KNOW HOW CONFIDENT I AM ABOUT THAT. OKAY. BASED ON THE, THE QUALITY OF APPLICATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED, UM, THERE ARE SOME INDIVIDUALS THAT WE ARE TARGETING PERSONALLY TO SEE IF THEY WOULD HAVE INTEREST IN COMING TO WORK HERE. UH, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY COMMITMENTS FROM THEM. UM, AND AGAIN, IT TAKES ABOUT A YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF TO ADEQUATELY TRAIN SOMEBODY IN THE COURT SYSTEM AND THE COURT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. SO RIGHT NOW, OUR OLDEST CLERK WOULD BE THERE, I'D SAY SIX MONTHS. SO, SO THEY'RE STILL LEARNING, SO. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU. SURE. UM, MAYOR, ONE MORE COMMENT IF I MIGHT. UM, I BELIEVE THE COURT PERSONNEL, UH, PAY RANGES, UM, WERE FOUND TO BE BELOW MARKET IN THE STUDY AND WE WILL BE GETTING ADJUSTED. AND HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS WITH THE RECRUITMENT OF QUALIFIED PEOPLE. UM, AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO, ON THAT RECRUITMENT SIDE, LIKE ENTICE THESE QUALIFIED PEOPLE OVER TOTALLY OPEN TO THAT, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO FOCUS ON GETTING THOSE POSITIONS FILLED, TRAINED UP AND RUNNING, UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, BEFORE WE START ADDING MORE TO THE WHOLE BATCH. BUT AGAIN, THE COURT'S NOT REALLY UNDER MY, UM, DIRECT SUPERVISION, BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT THEM WITH THE SALARY SCHEDULES AND ALL OF THAT, WE, WE ARE, SO DO THESE, DO THESE, UH, ONE-TIME COSTS, ONGOING COSTS, SALARY COSTS? ARE THEY REFLECTIVE OF THIS NEW AMOUNT OR ARE THEY YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. HI, JUDGE. NICE TO SEE YOU. HOPE YOU'RE RECOVERING WELL DAY BY DAY. THANK YOU. I JUST HAD A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE COURTROOM REMODEL, ALL SECURITY REMODEL AND FULL-TIME COURT SECURITY OFFICER. ARE THE, WHEN YOU DID THE, YOUR ASSESSMENT, YOUR SECURITY ASSESSMENT, WERE THESE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE? WAS THIS A BEST PRACTICE? WHAT, WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OF THAT? BOTH. UM, LIKE I MENTIONED, THE, THE COURTROOM ITSELF IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH A OC REQUIREMENTS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, WE DON'T HAVE A BULLETPROOF BENCH. UM, UM, A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH REGARDS TO THE HALLWAY ITSELF IS SECURITY ISSUES PLUS CONFIDENTIALITY ISSUES. YOU CAN HEAR EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON OVER IN PARK AND REC JUST BECAUSE OF THE OPEN NATURE OF THE CEILING. UM, SO CONFIDENTIALITY IS AN ISSUE. UM, 'CAUSE WHEN WE HAVE ATTORNEYS TALKING TO THEIR CLIENTS, WE DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY TO HEAR WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AS WELL AS WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED IN, IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE. SO, SO IT IS BOTH A CONFIDENTIALITY AND SECURITY ISSUE. THANK YOU. SURE. OKAY. DEREK, UH, JUST HAVE A COMMENT THAT I DON'T WANT US TO VIEW THESE REQUESTS THROUGH THE LENS OF HOW MUCH MORE WE'RE GONNA COLLECT AND FINDS. RIGHT? UM, [03:25:02] A EFFICIENTLY FUNCTIONING COURT SYSTEM WILL GENERATE MORE REVENUE, BUT THAT'S NOT ITS PURPOSE. SO I JUST, I DON'T WANNA GET TOO HUNG UP ON RETURN ON INVESTMENT WHEN WE JUST, WE NEED TO HAVE FUNCTIONAL COURT. THAT'S, I WAS GONNA GET THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YEAH. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I DON'T THINK FINES ARE ACTUALLY PAYING FOR THE DEPARTMENT. IF WE HAVE MORE FINES, IT ACTUALLY COSTS MONEY, RIGHT? THIS IS NOT A COST RECOVERY BUSINESS THAT WE PAY A MILLION BUCKS A YEAR ON OUR OWN, IN ADDITION TO THE FINES. MY QUESTIONS FOR YOU, JUDGE, ARE, OH, I DID WANNA CLARIFY THAT. YOU HAD SAID THAT THE SALARY INCREASES WERE INCLUDED, BUT THE PERSONNEL BUDGET DOESN'T CHANGE. HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT. I, WELL, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND TALK TO RUSS, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT, UM, ADJUSTING AT THE TIME THAT THIS WAS BUILT BEFORE, I THINK MAYBE SOME FOLKS WERE GIVING THEIR NOTICES POSSIBLY, BUT I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH WHERE THE INDIVIDUALS ARE IN THE CURRENT PAY GRADE, AND THAT WHEN WE CHANGE THE PAY GRADE, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT GET, UM, AN ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE CORRECT SPOT. BUT IT HELPS WITH THE RECRUITMENT SIDE BECAUSE NOW WE CAN ADVERTISE THE JOB WITH THE HIGHER PAY RANGE. SO IT'S MORE ATTRACTIVE TO THE APPLICANTS, THE INDIVIDUAL'S ALREADY ON STAFF MAY OR MAY NOT GET AN ADJUSTMENT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, AND THEN JUDGE, IN YOUR WRITEUP FOR THE FULL-TIME COURT SECURITY OFFICER, YOU CITE THE HOURS OF OPERATION AS EIGHT 30 TO FOUR 30. THAT'S WHEN THE FRONT DOOR IS UNLOCKED, RIGHT? IT'S ACTUALLY OPEN AT EIGHT O'CLOCK, BUT YEAH. DID THE PART-TIME SECURITY OFFICER JUST COME WHEN COURT WAS IN SESSION? NO. MM-HMM. HOW OFTEN IS COURT IN SESSION? UH, IT DEPENDS ON THE SCHEDULING. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS MORNING, WEDNESDAY MORNINGS WE HAVE ARRAIGNMENTS AND WE HAD A WALK-IN WARRANT ISSUE. UH, AN INDIVIDUAL IS ISSUED A WARRANT AND HE WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT WITH THE COURT. MM-HMM . UM, SO I WAS ON THE BENCH, UM, MOST OF THE MORNING. AND THEN TUESDAYS ARE OUR VERY, ARE OUR BUSIEST DAYS, AND WE HAVE PRETRIAL CONFERENCES AND A CHANGE OF PLEA HEARINGS. UM, AND BENCH TRIALS ARE SET WHEN, WHEN OPEN ON THE CALENDAR. IT COULD BE TUESDAY AFTERNOON, WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON. UM, THURSDAYS ARE CIVIL TRAFFIC. WE TRY TO KEEP THURSDAYS OPEN FOR CIVIL TRAFFIC HEARINGS AS WELL AS MONDAYS. UM, AND WE WERE SETTING ORDER TO SHOW CAUSES ON MONDAYS AS WELL. BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE STAFF TO, TO DEAL WITH THE POST ADJUDICATED CASES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CUT BACK ON SETTING THE ORDER TO SHOW CAUSES. WELL, THAT, THAT QUESTION OF MINE SHOWS MY FACT THAT I HAVEN'T COME TO VISIT YOU YET, JUDGE, IT'S STILL ON MY LIST AND I, I NEED TO DO THAT. A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS HERE FOR YOU IS ONE, ON THE PERFORMANCE INDICATORS THAT YOU GAVE US, WERE FINE. MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT YOU REPORT OTHER INDICATORS TO THE STATE COURT SYSTEM. CAN WE CONSOLIDATE THOSE? CAN WE GET THAT SAME INFORMATION THAT YOU REPORT TO THE STATE? I THINK AS FAR AS THE MONTHLY, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE MONTHLY? NO, I'M, THE WEBSITE THAT I VISITED IN THE PAST HAD INDICATORS ON IT. I THINK ONE OF THEM WAS CASELOAD PER EMPLOYEE. AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME OTHER USEFUL METRICS ON THERE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN OUR INFO. SO I DON'T HAVE TO GO REMEMBER WHERE THAT COURT SYSTEM WAS AND SURE. AND DO THAT. SO PERHAPS FOR FUTURE BUDGET DOCUMENTS, AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GIVE US A SUPPLEMENT FOR THIS YEAR OF WHAT THOSE NUMBERS YOU'RE REPORTING TO THE STATE ARE. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. SURE. AND THEN MY FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU IS, WE HAD SOMEWHAT OF A CONVERSATION EARLIER THIS YEAR, LATE LAST YEAR SOMETIME WHEN WE, UH, I'M NOT, I THOUGHT YOU WERE IN THE CONVERSATION, BUT I'M REFERRING TO A CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD ABOUT, UH, COURT DIVERSION PROGRAMS. AND I THINK YOU EXPRESSED SOME INTEREST IN THE POTENTIAL FOR COURT DIVERSION PROGRAM FOR HOMELESSNESS STUFF OR WHATEVER. I DON'T SEE THAT IN YOUR OBJECTIVES TO START THINKING ABOUT THAT AND WORKING WITH IT. I KNOW WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, HOMELESSNESS PROGRAMS, AGAIN, AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT ON OUR OWN WORK, I SURE WOULD LIKE YOUR INPUT INTO THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION AND US TO REALLY THINK ABOUT A DIVERSION PROGRAM TO SEE IF WE CAN'T GET SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WHO JUST RECEIVE FINES, WALK IN YOUR COURT, WHETHER THEY PAY 'EM OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW. BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY TO TREAT THAT PROBLEM. UH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO, TO SEE THAT YOU HAVE TIME AND YOU PUT IN YOUR OBJECTIVES TO [03:30:01] THINK ABOUT THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND KATHY HAS NOTHING. I HAVE JUST A FEW. UH, JUDGE, DO YOU HAVE THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST SOFTWARE THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH? IS ANOTHER SOFTWARE PACKAGE THAT WE COULD, UH, OR YOU COULD IMPLEMENT THAT WOULD HELP STREAMLINE NO, NOT SAYING NO. RIGHT? I'M SORRY. I WAS JUST BECAUSE I'VE BEEN OVER TO THE COURT MAYOR AND I DO SEE THE ISSUES, UM, THAT THE JUDGE HAS DESCRIBED. I HAVE SAT WITH HIS STAFF TO UNDERSTAND JUST, YOU KNOW, AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH IN THE, UH, COURT. I BELIEVE IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO USE THE STATE COURT'S OKAY. SOFTWARE SYSTEM. WE CAN'T PUT IN OUR OWN SYSTEM. AND THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE CHALLENGE COMES BECAUSE IT'S NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, INTEGRATED WITH OUR ACCOUNTING SOFTWARE, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO THERE'S A LOT OF MANUAL PROCESS THAT HAS TO HAPPEN OKAY. TO SYNCHRONIZE THINGS. SO, SORRY FOR STEALING YOUR THUNDER, BUT NO, THAT'S FINE. . IT'S, IT'S CALLED THE AJAX SYSTEM THAT WE USE. RIGHT? I REMEMBER YOU REFERRED TO THAT LAST YEAR. UM, WOULD IT PAY ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT, UH, COUNCIL FURMAN WAS ASKING ABOUT FOR DIVERSION, UH, COURT, MILITARY COURT FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, HOMELESSNESS TO HAVE TRAFFIC CASES HEARD BY A SEPARATE HEARING OFFICER, AND THIS WAY WE'D REMOVE SOME OF THE CASELOAD FROM YOU? WOULD THAT JUST MAKE IT HARDER FOR YOUR STAFF TO DO MORE? I THINK IT WOULD MAKE IT MORE COMPLEX. OKAY. YEAH. THAT I'M NOT, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO DO THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO STREAMLINE WHAT WE CAN, UH, TO HELP YOU. SO, UH, IN THOSE CASES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 18,000, WAS THAT ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THE COO COUNTY, UH, COURTS DID ON THEIR ASSESSMENT BACK LAST YEAR HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THOSE FINANCES? OH, NO. NOTHING TO DO WITH ALL WITH THAT. AND THEN, UH, SO, AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR SECURITY OFFICER, I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT HE HAD TO LEAVE FOR WHATEVER REASON. BUT, UH, AND I UNDERSTAND HAVING SOMEONE FULL TIME, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT YOU NOT HAVING SOMEONE THERE FOR A JURY TRIAL OF THAT MAGNITUDE. DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO SEDONA, UH, POLICE TO HAVE SOMEONE THERE IF NECESSARY? WE DO. UM, WHEN WE FEEL THE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AWARE OF CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS MM-HMM . AND SOME CONCERNS MM-HMM . THAT THEY MIGHT CAUSE. SO IN THE EVENT THAT HAPPENS, WE ALWAYS MAKE ARRANGEMENTS WITH THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE AN OFFICER THERE. OKAY. I DON'T, JUST DON'T WANNA HAVE A PROBLEM OVER THERE WITH YOU. UH, OKAY. THAT'S MY QUESTION. THEN BRIAN HAS ONE FOLLOW UP AND THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON. I HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, ME TOO. WE'RE ABOUT A HALF HOUR BEHIND. JUST A CLARIFICATION, UH, FOR COUNSELOR. F UM, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR THE COURT TO BE A PROFIT CENTER , WE KNEW THAT. OKAY. SO MY QUESTION ABOUT WAS ABOUT DEFRAYING, THE INCREMENTAL COST OF MORE BODIES. AND SO IF THERE, IF WE WOULD EXPECT THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE REVENUE THAT DEFRAYS THAT COST, WELL THAT'S GREAT, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE, UH, CENTRAL TO, YOU KNOW, MY PERSONAL VOTE ON WHETHER WE APPROVE THOSE SPOTS OR NOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. OKAY. I'LL CALL ON MYSELF. UH, IN THE LAST WEEK, I'VE HAD TWO PEOPLE TALK TO ME ABOUT MEDIATION SERVICES, AND IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I EVEN HEARD THAT WE EVER HAD A PROGRAM ON MEDIATION. AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHETHER THAT INCLUDED, UH, THE COURTS IN ANY WAY, BUT ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY MEDIATION PROGRAMS THAT THE CITY HAS RUN? I I KNOW KURT HAD SENT ME AN EMAIL WHEN I WAS OUT, AND I HADN'T RESPONDED TO IT. UM, I THINK HE HAD ASKED IF I WAS AWARE OF ANY MEDIATORS IN THE VERDE VALLEY, AND I'M NOT, UNFORTUNATELY. SO, SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND VICE MAYOR, IT HAS NOT INCLUDED THE COURT. IT'S BEEN A SEPARATE MEDIATOR. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE AN ATTORNEY, BUT SOMEONE TRAINED IN CONFLICT DISPUTE RESOLUTION. UH, WE HAVE FOUND A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN, IN TAKING THAT, UH, CONTINUING THAT ON, UM, AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICES WORKING IN GETTING CONTACT WITH THOSE, UM, POTENTIAL MEDIATORS RIGHT NOW. OKAY. I'LL TALK TO YOU OFFLINE ABOUT THAT THEN. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD, MELISSA. THANK YOU. SO I, I'M SORRY, I'M STILL MULLING OVER THE, THE NUMBER OF PERSONNEL AND SOMETHING YOU SAID HAS BEEN TICKING OVER IN MY HEAD AND HOW LONG IT TAKES TO DO THE TRAINING FOR THE COURT SPECIALISTS THAT YOU SAID AROUND A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF. AND THAT YOUR MOST SENIOR COURT SPECIALIST RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT SIX MONTHS INTO THE ROLE. RIGHT. WOULD YOU HAVE ENOUGH RESOURCES TO DO THE TRAINING ADEQUATELY IF YOU SUDDENLY HAD FOUR NEW POSITIONS? PHIL, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE EASIER WHEN TO TRAIN MULTIPLE PEOPLE AT ONE TIME THAN JUST TRAIN ONE AND THEN A COUPLE MONTHS LATER. SO DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO DOES THE TRAINING NOW? CERTAINLY NOT THE SIX MONTH [03:35:01] IN PERSON, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO. OUR COURT ADMINISTRATOR REALLY DOES ALL OUR, ALL OUR TRAINING. UM, COO COUNTY SUPPOSED TO HAVE A TRAINING OFFICER, SO TO SPEAK, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT PERSON, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE ASKED FOR SOME HELP. UM, YAVAPAI COUNTY HAS ONE AS WELL. UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT VERY HELPFUL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. SO OUR COURT ADMINISTRATOR REALLY, AND OUR, OUR TEMPORARY SPECIALIST WHO'S GOT, OH, I DON'T KNOW, 30 PLUS YEARS EXPERIENCE IN THE COURT SYSTEM IS ALSO A GOOD, UH, SOURCE, UH, OR RESOURCE FOR HELPING TRAINING THE NEW SPECIALISTS. UM, AND IT, FRANKLY, IT TAKES AWAY FROM OUR, MY COURT ADMINISTRATORS TIME TO DO HER JOB BECAUSE SHE'S ANSWERING ALL THESE QUESTIONS AND HELPING TRAIN THESE NEW INDIVIDUALS. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . COVER EVERYBODY. MM-HMM . OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FOLLOW UP? OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU, UH, JUDGE, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO THE NEXT, UH, COUPLE OF DEPARTMENTS, THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, KURT CAN SPEAK TO THIS OR I CAN, IT'S PRETTY EASY. . THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND COUNSELOR. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ONLY CHANGE IS BASICALLY, UH, PRIMARILY COMES FROM SALARY AND BENEFITS, UH, WHICH IS DUE TO THE SALARY ADJUSTMENT. AND THAT STUDY IN ALL THREE OF MY DIRECT REPORTS ARE LOOKING AT, UH, LITTLE INCREASES. ANY QUESTIONS, PETE? THANK YOU, MAYOR. KURT, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT, UH, WHETHER IT'S IN THIS BUDGET YEAR OR THE NEXT. I KEEP THINKING OF THE VALUE THAT I RECEIVED IN PAST LIFE ABOUT, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL TRAINING THAT, UH, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICER WOULD DO TO, UH, COUNSEL, WHETHER IT'S REVIEWING CASES IN THE STATE OR NATIONWIDE ABOUT KIND OF ETHICS OR DIFFERENT INTERESTING LEGAL DECISIONS. AND YOU GIVE US SOME, UH, E UH, EMAILS OCCASIONALLY, BUT IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO ENGAGE IN THE DIALOGUE AND REALLY KINDA, UH, GROK SOME TRAINING ON ISSUES OR WAYS TO THINK ABOUT, UH, ISSUES FOR US AS A COUNCIL AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SURE. UH, GOOD, GOOD SUGGESTION. ONE IDEA I'VE HAD, UH, THAT WE'VE NEEDED TO ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT IS, UM, UH, DISRUPTION AT PUBLIC MEETINGS. AND, UH, THAT'S REALLY COME TO HEAD, LIKE DURING COVID THERE ENDED UP BEING A LOT OF, AND EVERYTHING'S RECORDED NOW, SO THERE'S TONS OF GOOD VIDEOS OUT THERE OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND CITY AND COUNTY MEETINGS THAT, UH, GO POORLY FOR ALL INVOLVED EVENTUALLY. AND SO THERE'S SOME GOOD TRAINING THAT COULD BE DONE THERE, UM, OPEN TO ANY OTHER IDEAS, BUT I CAN ALSO LOOK AT OTHER, UM, CHANGES THAT DIRECTLY AFFECT CITY COUNCILORS, UM, AND KEEP THEM UP TO DATE ON THE LAW. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KURT VICE MAYOR? SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPACT TO POTENTIAL IMPACT IF WE BRING ON FOR NEW POLICE OFFICERS ON THE COURT SYSTEM, BUT WHAT POTENTIAL IMPACT DOES THAT HAVE ON THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE? PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE STILL HAS CAPACITY. UH, SO IT WAS, TO ME, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LIKE THE JUDGE, HOW THE JUDGE USED TO BE PART-TIME, BUT IT WAS HARD TO FILL IT. UM, AND SO, UH, SAME THING HAPPENED WITH THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE A A LONG TIME AGO, BUT THE NUMBER OF CRIMINAL CASES HAS IN INCREASED JUST A LITTLE BIT OVER THE YEARS. AND SO IT HASN'T, THERE'S NOT A NEED FOR LIKE ANOTHER PROSECUTOR, ANOTHER HALFTIME PROSECUTOR, YET THE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE INCREASE I THINK YOU SEE IN THE COURT IS FROM CIVIL SIZE CIVIL CITATIONS. THANKS. YEP. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD, KURT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THE NEXT DEPARTMENT IS CITY COUNCIL. UM, I DON'T KNOW JOANNE, IF YOU WANNA DO THAT OR YOU WANT ME TO, I'M HAPPY TO DO IT. AWESOME. ALRIGHT. SO FOR THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET, UM, THERE WERE JUST, THERE WAS AN INCREASE FOR THE MEALS. WELL, I'LL LET YOU GO AHEAD AND TALK TO THE, THE FIRST SLIDE, BARBARA, TO THIS. OH, OKAY. SORRY. I SEE IT NOW. ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S AN INCREASE TO THE MEALS. AS EVERYONE KNOWS FOOD EXPENSES ARE UP. YOU GUYS HAVE ABOUT 60 MEETINGS A YEAR. UM, ALSO WE'VE GOT TWO COUNSELORS, UH, A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THEIR CELL PHONES ANNUALLY. AND THEN WE NEEDED TO INCREASE TRAVEL AND TRAINING, UM, NOT ONLY FOR THE LEAGUE OF CITY AND TOWNS THAT THE COUNSELORS GO TO, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, MEETINGS AND CONFERENCES, UM, THAT THE OTHER COUNSELORS DO LIKE TO ATTEND. SO THAT'S HELPING WITH THOSE EXPENSES. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? YEAH, VICE MAYOR ASK, WELL, KATHY CELL PHONES, COULD YOU EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT PLEASE? YES. I ASKED YOU ALL IF YOU WANTED CELL [03:40:01] PHONES EARLIER THIS YEAR. MAYOR JALO HAS A CELL PHONE AND COUNSELOR FAF ASKED FOR A CELL PHONE. THE REST OF YOU WERE NOT INTERESTED IN CELL PHONE. I'M READY TO TURN MINE IN BY THE WAY, AND THAT'S A CHOICE. YOU CAN MAKE THE CHOICE. AND THAT'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE YEAR FOR THE TWO TWO PHONES, CORRECT. I'M TURNING MINE IN. SO IF THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL PHONE, IT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL COST HALF OF THAT. SO NOBODY ELSE ASKED FOR ONE , HE'S GIVING YOU HIS, YOU WANT ONE, YOU GOT GIMME, WHERE'S THE TOILET? . BUT WITH THAT POWER COMES RESPONSIBILITY, ON THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, THE DECREASE THERE EVERY TWO YEARS WE DO THE COUNCIL PORTRAIT AND FRAMING. AND SO THAT'S NOT NEEDED FOR NEXT YEAR. SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY REMOVED FOR NEXT YEAR. AND ALSO, UH, THE LAST VENDOR WE USED FOR THE PORTRAIT FRAMING WAS SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER THAN SOMEONE WE HAD USED IN THE PAST. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? VICE MAYOR, YOU'VE HAD SOMETHING WHAT THEY CUT TO GET IT? NO, IT'S, YEAH. OKAY. UH, OKAY. THAT WORKS. ALRIGHT. AND BACK TO JOANNE FOR CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. AH, . ALRIGHT. SO THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE THERE, WE DID DO SOME DECREASES, UM, IN OUR OFFICE EXPENDITURES, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THERE ARE FOR THE REQUEST THAT WE HAVE TO HIRE A CONSULTANT FOR THE HOLISTIC VIEW OF OUR CONTRACT RETENTION AND OUR CONTRACT PROCESS. UM, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF CONTRACTS. WE HAVE OVER 1200 CONTRACTS. AND SO IT'S FINDING NOT ONLY WHAT THE, UM, RETENTION POLICIES ARE, WE HAVE THAT, BUT IT'S DETERMINING WHAT CONTRACTS AND AGREEMENTS WE HAVE THAT DO HAVE CITY VALUE GOING FORWARD. SO THEY MAY BE HELD LONGER THAN THEIR RETENTION, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A VALUE AND A HISTORIC VALUE TO THE CITY. SO HIRING A CONSULTANT TO HELP STAFF AND DEPARTMENTS, UM, THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND THEN THE OTHER EXPENSES FOR TRAVEL AND TRAINING ARE DIRECTLY RELATED. THE INCREASE THERE OF 2,600 IS DIRECT RELATE, DIRECTLY RELATED TO, UM, THE POTENTIAL, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ANNUAL TRAININGS AND CERTIFICATION TRAININGS IF THAT DECISION PACKAGE IS APPROVED BY COUNSEL. OKAY. AND THEN I'M ALSO, UM, I SPOKE TO EARLIER BUDGETING ANNUALLY NOW FOR ELECTIONS WHERE WE DID THAT EVERY TWO YEARS AND WE DID IT LIKE AS A ONE-TIME EXPENSE, BUT WE SHOULD BE HAVING THAT IN OUR BUDGET CONTINUOUSLY IN CASE THERE ARE REFERENDUMS AND INITIATIVES THAT COME THROUGH. I UNDERSTAND THAT. VICE MAYOR, YOU HAD A QUESTION. I DO HAS THE, REMIND ME OF THIS, UM, HAS CODE ENFORCEMENT MOVED INTO YOUR OFFICE THAT'S IN THE DECISION PACKAGE FOR THE POTENTIAL, UM, STR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER? AND WE'LL SPEAK TO THAT HERE NEXT WITH THE STR PORTION. THAT POSITION, UM, IF APPROVED, THAT POSITION WILL BE HOUSED AND, UM, UNDER THE CITY CLERK'S DEPARTMENT, BUT THE REST OF CODE ENFORCEMENT IS NOT UNDER THE CITY CLERK. CORRECT. OKAY. CAN I FOLLOW UP ON THAT? SURE. IF YOU USE THE ONLINE APP, YOU KNOW, TO PUT IN A COMPLAINT, YOU KNOW, THAT GETS RESOLVED, BUT THAT'S HANDLED IN YOUR OFFICE YES. IN TERMS OF THE BUDGETING, YES. BUT IS THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD GO TO YOUR, THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICE THAT GOES TO ALL DEPARTMENTS, NOT JUST CODE ENFORCEMENT RELATED. SO SPREAD ACROSS EVERYTHING. I, YES. THANK YOU. PERFECT, PETE. THANKS MAYOR. UH, SORT OF FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, WHAT, WHAT'S OUR VISION AND OUR GOAL FOR CITIZENS CONNECT? YOUR USAGE OF IT? WELL ACTUALLY IS PROJECTED TO DECLINE A LITTLE BIT IN YOUR METRICS, AND I'M SURE THAT'S JUST A GUESS. I, I GET THAT. YEAH. YOU KNOW, IS IT A, IS IT A GOOD TOOL THAT WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF EFFORT TO PROMOTE AND BUILD THE USE OF IT? I MEAN, OTHER CITIES, THAT'S ONE OF THE PRIMARY WAYS FOR CITIZENS TO REGISTER. AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT OUR VISION IS AND WHETHER WE'D REALLY LIKE TO BUILD. YES. AND WE USED TO HAVE A BUTTON ON THE HOMEPAGE FOR THAT. UM, IT'S NO LONGER ON THE HOMEPAGE FOR IT, BUT IT DOES GET USED. WE'VE GOT LIKE APPROXIMATELY 400 A YEAR, UM, COMPLAINTS THAT COME THROUGH THERE AND WE FIND THE USEFUL TOOL AND WE CAN BASICALLY [03:45:01] PROVIDE, I BELIEVE THAT WAS A ADMINISTRATION REQUEST EARLIER ON. AND COUNCIL WAS INTERESTED IN JUST THE AMOUNT OF, AND PROVIDING CITIZENS A WAY TO REPORT SIMPLY RATHER THAN CALLING UP THE CITY HALL AND, UM, SAYING THAT THEY HAVE A POTHOLE IN THE AREA AND HOW THAT WORKFLOW IS PROCESSED. SO IT IS A USEFUL TOOL FOR TOOL FOR US. DID WE BUILD IT ONCE AND JUST USED IT OR HAVE WE MADE INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE UI OR THE BACK END OF THAT SYSTEM OVER TIME? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. I'M NOT AN IT PERSON. I MEAN, WE'VE, WE RUN IT THE WAY IT IS. WE'VE GOT THE TYPES OF REPORTING IN THERE. WE HAVEN'T ADDED ANY NEW REPORTING BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ADDRESS THE TYPES OF REPORTS THAT WE DO GET. YEAH. YOU KNOW, AS A SOMEWHAT FREQUENT FLYER OF THAT YEAH. DEVICE, I THINK THERE ARE SOME UI IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD BE DONE. OVERALL, IT'S USABLE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IF WE WANT TO USE IT, WE NEED TO INVEST IN IT. AND SO I THINK THERE'S A PROCESS WITHIN THE REST OF CITY HALL, WHETHER IT'S LAUREN OR THE IT FOLKS, OR SOME U SOFTWARE UI FOLKS THAT COULD HELP US REALLY MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, A STELLAR DEVICE THAT OUR RESIDENTS WANT TO USE. AND, AND SO I SUSPECT THAT THERE MIGHT BE AN OBJECTIVE ADDED ON OTHER DEPARTMENTS OF TAKING A LOOK AT CITIZENS CONNECT. AND ANNETTE, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO THAT? I'M JUST GOING TO PREVIEW FOR YOU THAT, UM, I BELIEVE OUR, UM, OUR COMMUNICATIONS TOURISM AND ECONOMIC INITIATIVES DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR BEHIND ME, UH, WHEN SHE PRESENTS TO YOU WE'LL PROBABLY HIGHLIGHTS SOME, UM, ENHANCEMENTS. WE'RE PLANNING FOR CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT THROUGH, UM, UH, THE CREATION OF AN OMBUDSMAN, UH, POSITION TO HELP CITIZENS. AND THE CITIZEN CONNECT IS PART OF, YOU KNOW, THE OVERALL BIG PICTURE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. SO. GREAT. THANKS. AND THEN, JOE, JUST A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER FOR STR. ARE THEY CROSS-TRAINED? IF THEY'RE NOT BUSY, DO THEY GET TO DO OTHER CODE ENFORCEMENT? YES. CAN WE, CAN WE GO, UH, IS EVERYBODY READY TO GET TO THAT PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION? I AM. OKAY. 'CAUSE I'M GONNA STEP YEP ONTO THE OVER TO THE PRESENTATION TEAM. YOU GOTTA CHANGE HATS AND GO OVER THERE, . OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SORRY, MAYOR, COUNSELORS, VICE MAYOR FOR NOT INTRODUCING MYSELF BEFORE MY ITEM. JOANNE COOK, CITY CLERK . I AM HERE WITH THERESA ARTHUR, SHORT-TERM RENTAL SPECIALIST. WE ALSO HAVE TONY, UH, TONY VERO, HE'S OUR SENIOR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. AND WE'VE GOT STEVE MERTIS, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HERE. IS HE NEW OR I . ALRIGHT, SO LAST MAY IN 2024, UH, WE HEARD FROM CITY COUNCIL THAT YOU BASICALLY WANTED US TO STEP UP OUR ENFORCEMENT, UM, OF ALL CITATIONS RELATED TO, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND AT THAT TIME WE ALSO HEARD THAT THERE WERE CONCERNS OVER CITATIONS BEING DISMISSED AND THAT IS NO LONGER HAPPENING. UM, SOME IN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WASN'T PROVIDED IN THE, SORRY, I GOTTA TAKE A BREATH IN THE DECISION PACKAGE, UH, THAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO YOU. UM, STAFF DID SOME RESEARCH FROM ABOUT JULY 1ST, 2023 TO MARCH 12TH OF THIS CURRENT YEAR. AND BASICALLY THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY 800 COMPLAINTS SUBMITTED TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT. AND THEY DID A SAMPLING OF ABOUT JUST UNDER 500. IT WAS 497, 496. AND OF THOSE COMPLAINTS, 299 WERE RELATED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SO THAT INCLUDED PERMITS THAT WAS JUST UNDER ONE 15, UH, A HUNDRED TRASH, UH, 50 LIGHTING, EXTERIOR LIGHTING, AND THEN WEEDS AND UNSIGHTLY. AND THOSE WERE, WERE SMALLER. AND THEN OVER THAT SAME TIMEFRAME, THE STR HOTLINE RECEIVED 744. AND THEN, UH, THERESA, I'LL LET HER SPEAK TO SOME OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS NOW, WHETHER OR NOT THESE, [03:50:01] UM, COMPLAINTS WERE SUBSTANTIATED OR UNSUBSTANTIATED, BUT THAT IS THE TOTAL OF THE COMPLAINTS AND SO CURRENT WITH THE CURRENT STAFFING THAT WE HAVE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE STR, LIKE WE'VE SAID IN THE DECISION PACKAGE, WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE, UM, CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR BASICALLY REGISTRATIONS AND PERMITTING. NOT ANY OF THE NEW, THE SEX OFFENDER SCREENINGS, NEIGHBOR NOTIFICATION, UM, EMERGENCY CONTACT INFORMATION AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S ALL UP TO DATE. SO DURING THE TIMEFRAME OF CODE ENFORCEMENT SAMPLING, WHICH WAS JULY THROUGH JULY OF 23 THROUGH MARCH OF THIS YEAR, UM, OF THE COMPLAINTS, THE 744 COMPLAINTS RECEIVED BY THE HOTLINE, 128 OF THEM WERE REFERRED TO CODE. SO THOSE ARE THINGS LIKE TRASH COMPLAINTS, LIGHTING COMPLAINTS, NOISE COMPLAINTS ARE HANDLED THROUGH PD, SO THEY'RE NOT REFERRED TO CODE. UM, IT COULD HAVE BEEN ISSUES WITH, UM, AGAIN, WEEDS OR PROPERTY ISSUES, BUT, SO I REFERRED 128 OF THOSE 744 COMPLAINTS DIRECTLY TO CODE FOR FOLLOW UP. MOST OF THOSE, I WOULD SAY THE VAST MAJORITY WERE TRASH COMPLAINTS DURING THAT TIME. WE HAD, UM, PROBABLY, I WOULD SAY 95% OF ALL OF THOSE 128 WERE TRASH COMPLAINTS FOR FOLLOW UP TO CODE. SO THAT'S STILL REMAINS FAR AND ABOVE THE MOST IMPACTFUL COMPLAINTS COMPLAINT THAT WE RECEIVE ON THE HOTLINE. UM, SO WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CONTINUE THE CITATIONS FOR PERMIT COMPLIANCE AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING THROUGH 47 OF THEM RIGHT NOW. AND THOSE WILL NOT BE DISMISSED. SO WE HAVE THE NEW EXPERIENCE OF, UM, VISITING COURT AND PROVIDING EVIDENCE. I WILL HAVE MY FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SIT ON IN, ON SEVERAL HEARINGS. UM, IT'S ABOUT TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY, SO MAY, I THINK IT'S MAY 17TH THAT WE'LL BE SITTING IN. SO I'LL BE SITTING WITH CODE AND WE'LL BE PROVIDING EVIDENCE TO THOSE, FOR THOSE PROPERTY MANAGERS WHO ARE, OR PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE CONTESTING THEIR CITATIONS. BUT THE INTENT IS NOT TO DISMISS THEM. AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD, I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO, OF THAT 47 CITATIONS, I'VE TALKED TO PROBABLY 16 OR 17 OWNERS. AND SO FAR WE HAVE, SO FAR WE HAVE FIVE HEARINGS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CONTESTING. AND OF THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE, THE REST OF THEM HAVE JUST PAID THEIR CITATIONS. AND RIGHT NOW, OF THAT 47, 29 OWNERS HAVE UPDATED AND RENEWED THEIR PERMITS LIKE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO. AND SO WE'LL SEE AS WE WORK THROUGH THE REST OF THOSE 47, IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WANTS TO CONTEST. BUT, UM, I HAVE COLLECTED EVIDENCE THAT I'LL PRESENT TO THE COURT, UM, FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD EVIDENCE. SO THIS WILL BE A NEW EXPERIENCE FOR THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL DEPARTMENT JUST TO HAVE CITATIONS RUN THROUGH A HEARING PROCESS. AND I WILL BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK AS TO OUR SUCCESS. UM, I DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE TO SPEAK WITH ANY KIND OF AUTHORITY, BUT I, I THINK WE'LL BE PRETTY SUCCESSFUL 'CAUSE THE EVIDENCE IS STRAIGHTFORWARD DATA COLLECTED ON HOW MANY DAYS PEOPLE WERE OPERATING WITHOUT A VALID PERMIT. SO, UM, THAT HAS WORKED REALLY WELL. WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO, I'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO LIKE THE AUDITS FOR THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE, THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO BE CITED ON. THERE JUST ISN'T TIME. UM, BUT THAT WILL COME, I HAVE, I DO HAVE TWO WEDDINGS THAT ONCE THIS PROCESS IS FINISHED, I'LL BE WRITING UP NOTIFICATIONS FOR, AND WE'LL BE CITING THEM FOR ADVERTISING AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND A WEDDING VENUE. AND WE'VE ALSO COLLECTED SOME EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS THAT THEY ARE SHORT-TERM RENTALS HOSTING. SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT SET OF EVIDENCE IS ACTUALLY CAPTURING THINGS IN THE ACT. SO I HOPE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY REVOKE THOSE PERMITS. AND I'M SURE THERE'LL BE A COURT DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. SO I'LL BE VERY INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT HOW THAT GOES AS WELL. SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE GAINED SOME GROUND, I'M ACTUALLY PLEASED ABOUT THE ABILITY TO FOLLOW UP ON WEDDINGS AND, AND HOPEFULLY PUT A STOP TO THAT. AND IN [03:55:01] ADDITION TO THE, UM, OTHER, OTHER AREAS IN THE CODE THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS YET, WE DO HAVE ALSO THE IMPLEMENTATION WITH THE NEW A DU ORDINANCE THAT WAS, UM, RECENTLY PASSED. THAT IS A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND CODE WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF THAT. BUT THERE IS THE RESEARCH THAT THE STR, UM, OFFICE WILL BE DOING TO INITIATE THAT OVER TO CODE ENFORCEMENT, BASICALLY GATHERING DATA. 'CAUSE IF, IF PROPERTIES ARE ADVERTISING THREE UNITS, WE CAPTURE THAT AND LOOK AT IT'S, IT'S WITHIN THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROGRAM'S PURVIEW TO SHUT THE ADDITIONAL UNIT DOWN. IF IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, UH, PLANNING HAS SUBSTANTIATED IS ALLOWED, OR IF THERE ARE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ADVERTISING FOR A, A CASITA OR ADDITIONAL UNIT WITH A KITCHEN, THEN THEY WILL BE CONTACTED AND GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER TAKE THE KITCHEN OUT OR CHANGE THEIR CONFIGURATION ABOUT HOW THEY'RE RENTING. SO THAT'S A WHOLE LEVEL OF RESEARCH THAT WILL BE UNDERTAKEN. UM, I HAVE NOT YET, BUT YES, I'M, I'M AWARE OF THAT. THAT'S ON THE CALENDAR. UM, COUNCIL COUNCILOR FURMAN, I DID JUST WANNA INTERJECT YOUR AN THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION YES. WHEN THIS, OUR INTENT WOULD BE TO HIRE A QUALIFIED, UM, HOPEFULLY A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WITHIN WITH EXPERIENCE THAT WE COULD HIT THE GROUND RUNNING WITHOUT HAVING TO TRAIN SOMEONE AND TAKE THAT TIME FOR THE CERTIFICATIONS THAT IF WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH. AND THEN YES, OF COURSE THE INTENT FOR THIS PERSON IS AS WELL TO SUPPORT THERESA IN THE PROGRAM TO SUPPORT, UM, HELPING KEEP THE EMERGENCY CONTACT INFORMATION UPDATED, RUNNING REPORTS AND DOING THAT ANALYZING AND FOR ANSWERING THE PHONE, UM, AND TAKING PHONE CALLS AND, UM, HELPING EITHER PROPERTY OWNERS OR JUST TAKING COMPLAINTS. GREAT. JOE, I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT HELPS A LOT. AND SO I THINK WHAT I NOW HEAR, THERESA, WHEN YOU TESTIFIED YOU SPOKE TO 128 REFERRALS THAT YOU GAVE TO CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT THIS PERSON IS GONNA DO ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS, GONNA HELP YOU DO ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT IN THE REST OF YOUR TESTIMONY IN ADDITION TO THE 128 REFERRALS THAT YOU WOULD THAT'S CORRECT. I GET IT. I GET IT. I GET IT. AND THEN, UH, MAYBE CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE SORT OF THE, THE MANAGEMENT PHILOSOPHY HERE ABOUT HAVING CODE ENFORCEMENTS HIRED AND MANAGED IN ONE DEPARTMENT AND THEN ANOTHER ONE IN ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, WHETHER IT'S IS, IS THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE GONNA PAY FOR ONE, BUT IT'S STILL SORT OF REVIEWED AND MANAGED FROM A CENTRAL LOCATION? OR IS THE CLERK'S OFFICE NOW ALSO GONNA HAVE TO GET EXPERIENCE IN MANAGING CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS? HOW, HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT MATRIX MANAGEMENT VERSUS, EXCUSE MY TERM, THE SILOING OF STAFF IN DIFFERENT THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION COUNSELOR FOLTZ? UM, YES FOR A MINUTE. OH, DID I JUST CALL YOU FO ALMOST IT'S NOT JUST ME. SEE, OKAY, I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. SORRY. I'LL DO BETTER AFTER I HAVE LUNCH. , UM, UH, COUNCILOR FURMAN, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. UM, YES, WE CAN DO A TEAM APPROACH, EVEN THOUGH ACCORDING TO THE ORG CHART, UM, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WILL BE IN THE CITY CLERK'S BUDGET HIERARCHY. UM, BOTH GROUPS HAVE BEEN MEETING TO, UM, IDENTIFY HOW THIS IS GONNA WORK AND ENSURE THAT THERE'S CLEAR COMMUNICATION IN WHICH CASES GO TO WHICH PEOPLE AND WHO'S DOING WHAT. AND SO I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WHATSOEVER, UM, THAT THEY'RE, THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP BECAUSE OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN THE JOB DESCRIPTION THAT SOMEHOW THEY HAVE TO ONLY LIVE IN ONE DEPARTMENT. I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE JUST FINE AND IT'S GONNA BE A VERY GOOD COLLABORATION. LIKE I SAID, JOANNE AND STEVE HAVE ALREADY BEEN MEETING, UM, IN ANTICIPATION OF, UM, HOPEFULLY THIS BEING APPROVED SO THAT WE WE DO A GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. YES. AND ALSO HELP WITH GOOD COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE TWO. YES, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THIS WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT TO US BY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. AND SO, UM, WE HAVE BEEN MEETING, UM, PROBABLY FOR THE PAST FIVE MONTHS TALKING THROUGH THE, UM, WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. AND SO I, I DON'T HAVE ANY DOUBT OR ANY CONCERNS, UM, MYSELF. [04:00:02] GOOD MORNING. IT'S STILL MORNING, RIGHT? NO. GOOD AFTERNOON. HI. UM, STEVE MYS, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. UH, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. UH, YES, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CLERK'S CLERK'S OFFICE AND UH, UM, ALTHOUGH WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE FULL FTE TO BE IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE, THE ALLOCATION IS MORE 75%, AT LEAST AT WHAT WE'RE GUESSING AT CLERK'S 25% COM DEV. MY GUESS IS ONCE THIS PERSON, IF APPROVED, GETS INTO THE, THE JOB CYCLE, UM, IT WILL BE A LOT CLOSER TO 90%, UH, CLERK'S OFFICE. UM, BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH NOW, UM, THAT THERESA HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET TO. UM, AND, UH, UH, IT'S GONNA ALLOW, UH, TONY AND STAN TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE OTHER ISSUES A LOT, BIT, A LOT BETTER, THAT ARE STILL TIED TO SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UM, AND ALSO THE REST OF THEIR, THEIR DUTIES. SO, OKAY. UH, HOLLY, YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR ANNETTE? UH, ACTUALLY FOR ANYBODY WANTS TO ANSWER IT. WILL THIS INDIVIDUAL BE CROSS-TRAINED SO THAT THEY CAN SUPPORT CODE ENFORCEMENT IN OTHER AREAS? SHOULD THERE BE A NEED AND A DOWNTIME IN THIS AREA? DOWNTIME. THERE WON'T BE ANY DOWNTIME. I, I, WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT, I DON'T THINK I CAN ANSWER THAT. WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT THE ECONOMY TANKS AND YES, TRAVEL, I, I, I THINK I CAN ANSWER TO THAT. AND THIS WAS PART OF THE INITIAL DISCUSSION. SO YES, THIS PERSON WILL BE CROSS-TRAINED, UM, AS PART OF WHAT, UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND, UH, BUILDING SAFETY'S GONNA BE BRINGING FORWARD. UH, LATER ON, UH, WE ARE LOOKING TO ADOPT OUR NEW CODES. PART OF THAT WILL BE THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. AND WE WOULD HOPE THAT THIS PERSON WOULD ALSO BE CERTIFIED, UH, IN THAT. THANKS STEVE. OKAY. BRIAN AND THEN I THINK PETE, DEREK. OKAY. AND I ALWAYS LOVE TO TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMICS OF IT. SO KURT, CURT, ALL OF THIS PERSON'S COST GOES INTO WHAT IT COSTS TO ADMINISTER SHORT-TERM RENTALS, RIGHT? SO THIS CAN BE PASSED ON IN THE FORM OF THE ANNUAL PERMIT COST TO STR OWNERS, RIGHT? SO THAT WOULD BE THE PREFERRED, UM, WAY TO HANDLE THIS. THE COST OF THE ENTIRE PROGRAM SHOULD BE, UH, THE BURDEN OF THE BUSINESSES. UH, BUT THE STATE HAS PREEMPTED THE CITY AND LIMITED, LIMITED ONLY TO THE COST OF, UH, PROCESSING THE PERMIT AND ISSUING THE PERMIT. YEP. I KNEW THAT. I THINK WE NEED TO DEFINE THEN, AND IT'S CAPPED AT TWO 50 AND WE'RE UP TO TWO 10. TWO 10, WE'LL GET THERE IN A, I'M A LOT LESS ENTHUSIASTIC NOW. DARN IT. , IF THERE IS A, IF WE HAVE TIME TO LOOK INTO THE NEED AND ADDRESS, UH, THE SOFTWARE ISSUE OR ISSUES AND LOOK INTO BETTER SOFTWARE THAT HAS MORE REPORTING CAPABILITIES, UM, WE DIDN'T, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MOST EXPENSIVE, UH, SOFTWARE PROGRAM WAS NOT PURCHASED. BUT IF THAT COST DOES GO UP OR IF WE NEED TO HAVE TWO RUNNING AT THE SAME TIME IN ORDER TO TRANSITION IN A YEAR, UM, THAT ITSELF WOULD BRING UP THE, UM, PERMITTING COST AND GET US CLOSER OR AT TWO 50. SO THAT'S POTENTIALLY POSSIBLE. SEEMS TO ME ALSO THAT AS PART OF RE PERMITTING, ONE COULD BE LOOKING AT THE EXPERIENCE OF PROPERTIES OVER THE PRIOR 12 MONTHS. AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WELL THAT MIGHT REQUIRE A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO DO THAT. SO SURELY WE CAN, UH, DEFINE OUR PROGRAM IN A WAY TO PULL SOME OF THIS IN. RIGHT. THERE IS, SO, SO CURRENTLY THERESA HAS TO DO THAT WORK. THE NEW CODE OFFICER, THERE WILL BE SOME PERCENTAGE OF HIS TIME OR HER TIME OR HER THAT, UH, WILL BE, BE, UH, ALLOCATED TOWARDS THAT. THE SAME. AND EVEN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS A LITTLE BIT THAT'S PUT IN THAT THERE'S A SPREADSHEET WE GO THROUGH WITH FINANCE EVERY YEAR TO COME UP WITH THE COST OF THE PERMITTING. RIGHT. AND WE, THAT'S WHAT WE DID USE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT CURRENTLY TO GET US TO THE TWO 10. WE, WE DID THAT THIS YEAR. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, I HAVE A COUPLE. NO, YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THERESA, WHEN YOU MENTIONED BEFORE THAT SOME OF THE, UH, YOU HAVE SOME CITATIONS GOING OUT OR HAVE GONE OUT, THEY'VE GONE TO COURT. HAVE THOSE, NOW THOSE PROPERTIES COME INTO COMPLIANCE OR ARE THEY STILL NOT IN COMPLIANCE OF THE 47 PENDING CITATIONS OR THE 47 IN PROCESS CITATIONS, 29 [04:05:01] OF THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE CURRENTLY RE PERMITTED. SO, SO IT WORKING, I STILL HAVE, I STILL HAVE A FEW THAT THERE WERE, THERE ARE FOUR OF THEM WHO ACTUALLY STOPPED ADVERTISING. SO THAT BROUGHT THEM INTO COMPLIANCE. BUT THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME WHEN THEY DID ADVERTISE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE BEING CAPTURED ON. RIGHT, RIGHT. THE, IN THE PAST COUNSEL MAY BE AWARE THAT WHAT HAPPENED IS PEOPLE WOULD GET CITATIONS AND THEN IF THEY CAME INTO COMPLIANCE, THE CITATION WAS DISMISSED. UM, SO ANTICIPATING THAT EXPECTATION FOR THIS YEAR WHEN THE LIST OF CITATIONS WAS PUT TOGETHER, THE EVIDENCE OF THEIR ADVERTISING WITHOUT A PERMIT WAS COLLECTED, WEBSITES, SNAPSHOTS, THINGS LIKE THAT ALONG WITH KIND OF A DATE FOR WHEN DID THE PERMIT EXPIRE, WHEN ARE THESE CITATIONS BEING SET UP? SO HOW MANY TOTAL DAYS AS OF THE TIME OF CITATION HAVE THEY BEEN ADVERTISING WITHOUT A PERMIT? SO I WAS ANTICIPATING, 'CAUSE ONCE SOMEONE PERMITS THE EVIDENCE OF OPERATING WITHOUT A PERMIT WENT AWAY. SO THIS NEW PROCESS ALLOWS FOR THE COLLECTION OF EVIDENCE OF THE STATE OF THE, THE PERMIT OR THE PROPERTY BEFORE THE CITATION WAS SENT OUT. OKAY. SO THEY'RE STILL GONNA GET CITED FOR THE FACT, EVEN IF THEY CAME INTO COMPLIANCE THAT FOR 20, 30, 60 DAYS THEY WERE ADVERTISING WITHOUT A PERMIT. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE ABOUT THE NONRESPONSIVE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE HOTLINE. AND IT'S HOTLINE'S SUPPOSED TO GET A RES, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CALL, YOU CALL THE HOTLINE, HOTLINE'S SUPPOSED TO CALL THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO ANSWER. THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT AREN'T ANSWERING THE HOTLINE. THAT'S ANOTHER VIOLATION OF THOSE PEOPLE GOING TO BE NOW LOOKED AT FOR THE FUTURE ENFORCEMENT. YES, THEY WILL. YES THEY WILL. 'CAUSE IT'S VERY CLEAR IF, IF THE HOTLINE CALLS THE ONE, ONE OF MY PARTICULAR CONCERNS IS IT'S, IT'S LAID OUT IN CITY CODE VERY CLEARLY THAT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE EXPECTED TO KEEP THEIR INFORMATION CURRENT. THAT MEANS THEIR MAILING ADDRESS, THAT MEANS THEIR EMERGENCY CONTACT INFORMATION. AND IT'S NOT A HUGE OCCURRENCE, BUT THERE IS A FAIRLY REGULAR OCCURRENCE WHERE THE HOTLINE WILL CALL SOMEONE AND THE PERSON WHO ANSWERS THE PHONE SAYS, I'M NO LONGER THE PROPERTY MANAGER. IF THAT RESPONSE IS GIVEN, THAT PROPERTY WILL GET CITED. THAT'S, THAT'S STRAIGHT UP. AND IF WE HAVE ADDITIONALLY PROPERTIES THAT FAILED TO RESPOND TO A COMPLAINT, UM, THEN, THEN THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR THEM TO BE CITED AS WELL. SO I'VE RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM RESIDENTS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHO CALLED THE HOTLINE AS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO, AND THEY'LL GET THE CALL BACK FROM THE HOTLINE SAYING THE PROPERTY OWNER NEVER EVEN ANSWERED THEIR PHONE. AND, BUT THEY'RE, IT'S A HOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A EMERGENCY CONTACT IS AN EMERGENCY OF WHATEVER THE MAGNITUDE, BUT THEY'RE STILL SUPPOSED TO ANSWER THE PHONE. WELL, I BELIEVE, AND KURT, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CODE IS WRITTEN SO THAT THE, THE HOTLINE CAN EITHER, UM, TALK DIRECTLY TO THE CONTACT OR LEAVE A MESSAGE AND WHETHER THE LE MESSAGE IS LE LEFT OR WHETHER THERE'S A RESPONSE, THERE SHOULD BE A RESPONSE TO THE COMPLAINT. AND I'M SURE AS, AS PEOPLE START GETTING CITED FOR THEIR RESPONSIVENESS, THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE CLARIFIED AND COME UNDER SCRUTINY BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RECEIVING CITATIONS. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS I'M, AS WE ARE, AS WE ARE CITING PEOPLE FOR PERMIT NON-COMPLIANCE, THERE'S BEEN AN INTERESTING LEVEL OF KIND OF SURPRISE AND SHOCK THAT OWNERS ARE GETTING CITED FOR THIS. AND AS THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROGRAM CONTINUES TO KIND OF DRIVE BETTER ACCOUNTABILITY, I THINK THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST CONTINUE TO CLARIFY UNDERSTANDINGS AS OWNERS REALIZE THAT THE CITY IS, IS FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THESE THINGS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I, I'M GOOD. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? VICE MAYOR, I WOULD JUST MAKE A COMMENT TO YOU THAT I HAD LUNCH WITH SOMEBODY YESTERDAY AND THEY SAID, IS IT TRUE THAT THE CITY IS NOT ENFORCING COMPLIANCE? 'CAUSE THAT'S THE WORD ON THE STREET. AND I SAID IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE, BUT IT WILL TAKE A WHILE, I THINK TO FILTER THROUGH THE ECOSYSTEM. IT'S, YEAH, I THINK IT WILL. I I HAVE AN ANNUAL, UM, NEWSLETTER THAT GOES INTO RED ROCK NEWS IN JUNE. SO AS IF, IF THERE IS A VOTE TO ADD AN EXTRA PERSON, IT'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE GOALS ARE AND WHAT WE INTEND TO DO. BUT I AGREE WITH YOU VICE MAYOR, THAT THERE'S WHAT GOALS ARE AND THEN THERE'S WHAT YOU DELIVER AND IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE ANOTHER YEAR OF EXPERIENCE FOR RESIDENTS TO SEE THAT, THAT WE'RE DELIVERING BRIAN, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON. SEEMS LIKE A NICE OPPORTUNITY TO NETWORK WITH LOCAL MEDIA. [04:10:01] LIKE WHEN THE TWO INSTANCES OF, UH, WEDDINGS TAKING PLACE LIKE THAT NEEDS TO BE LIKE FRONT PAGE ARTICLE, JUST NOT PART OF THE CITY TALK ARTICLE IN JUNE. RIGHT. SO WE CAN DEFINITELY GET SOME, SOME AIRTIME OUT OF THAT. I WOULD THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT IN THE CHAPEL NEIGHBORHOOD THERE WAS A, WHAT IS BELIEVED TO BE A WEDDING THIS PAST WEEKEND WITH AMPLIFIED MUSIC AND THE HOTLINE DID THEIR JOB, BUT CALLED THE PROPERTY OWNER AND GOT NO RESPONSE. SO, BUT I THINK AT THAT POINT THEY CALLED PD AND PD WAS ABLE TO BRING SOMEBODY INTO COMPLIANCE 'CAUSE IT, IT STOPPED. BUT, WELL, I'M REALLY GRATIFIED THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED TWO PROPERTIES THAT ACTUALLY HAVE I BEEN VISITED BY PD AND EVIDENCE HAS BEEN COLLECTED AND I HAVE WORKED FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE CALLING IN COMPLAINTS IF THEY FEEL IT'S A WEDDING TO IDENTIFY IT AS A WEDDING. AND PD HAS BEEN VERY GOOD. MM-HMM . WHEN, WHEN THE OFFICERS HAVE GONE OUT, WHEN THEY KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A WEDDING, THEY WILL WORK TO COLLECT EVIDENCE. SOME OF THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE IS THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL CALLING IN NOISE COMPLAINTS AND HOTLINE INSTRUCTIONS ARE ANY MENTION OF A WEDDING DAY OR NIGHT. WHENEVER IT IS THEY CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY, THE HOTLINE CALLS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. YES. THEY'RE, THEY'RE CALLING SEDONA PD TO FOLLOW UP AND GATHER EVIDENCE. THE ISSUE IS IF THE HOTLINE RECEIVES A NOISE COMPLAINT, IT'S A DIFFERENT PROTOCOL. OKAY. UM, NOISE COMPLAINTS BEFORE 10:00 PM THEY CALL THE EMERGENCY CONTACT NOISE COMPLAINTS AFTER 10:00 PM THEY DO CALL SEDONA POLICE, BUT A LOT OF WEDDINGS HAPPEN DURING THE DAY OR IN THE AFTERNOON. SO THERE'S STILL SOME EDUCATIONAL PIECES THAT, UM, RESIDENTS JUST WILL CONTINUE TO WORK TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF THAT. SO, 'CAUSE THAT LANGUAGING IS IS IMPORTANT. RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ARE WE GOOD? MM-HMM . OKAY. THANK YOU JOANNE. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THERESA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TONY AND STEVE, THE NEW GUY. YEAH, I GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. IS THAT, I THINK THAT ENDS IT NOW. OKAY. SO YOUR CHOICE COUNSEL, I WANT TO ASK, WE HAVE, WE'RE SLATED FOR AN HOUR FOR LUNCH. WOULD YOU WANNA TAKE 45 FOR LUNCH AND THEN, BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY HALF HOUR BEHIND, I WOULD SAY 30. YEAH, ME TOO. 30 MINUTES FROM LUNCH. I'M FINE. 30. OKAY. THEN WHY DON'T WE COME BACK AT, GO FOR LUNCH NOW AND WE'LL COME BACK AT ONE. OKAY, JOE. OKAY. SO YOU GOT TIME CONCERNED ABOUT I WAS ALL GOOD THINGS COME TO THOSE WHO WAIT. YEAH. YOU GO WHY ARE YOU HUNGRY? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. OKAY, JOE, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE'RE BACK AND WE HAVE BARBARA AND STERLING AGAIN. ALL RIGHT, TED, WE'RE GONNA START WITH ARTS. YEP. I BELIEVE CITY MANAGER'S, OFFICE AND ARTS AND CULTURE. SO LET ANNETTE SPEAK TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THEN MOVE INTO ARTS AND CULTURE AFTER. THANK YOU. UH, MAYOR COUNCIL AGAIN. ANNETTE SERED, CITY MANAGER. UM, MY PROGRAM IS VERY SMALL. IT'S FIVE PEOPLE THAT CONSISTS OF MYSELF, ANDY DICKEY HERE, UM, NANCY LATTANZI, AND, UH, CHRISTIE TURK, MY ASSISTANT BACK HERE. AND THEN A VACANT DEPUTY CITY MANAGER POSITION. UM, ON THE CHART HERE, IT SHOWS THAT OUR BUDGET IS INCREASING, UM, IN TERMS OF THE SALARY AND BENEFITS, AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT THAT REPRESENTS. UM, IN THE FY 25 BUDGET THAT WE ARE IN NOW, UM, THE VACANT DEPUTY CITY MANAGER POSITION WAS BUDGETED BY THE FORMER FINANCE DEPARTMENT AS A NEGATIVE. UM, THEY DEDUCTED THE VACANT, UH, THE, THE DOLLARS FROM THE VACANT POSITION, UM, AS SOME KIND OF A BUDGET OFFSET. UM, AND SO I HAVE NOT FILLED THAT POSITION, BUT I AM IN THE BEGINNING, UH, STAGES OF RECRUITMENT PROCESS RIGHT NOW. AND SO THOSE FUNDS HAVE BEEN MOVED BACK UP INTO, UM, THE PROGRAM FOR THAT POSITION. AND SO, UH, THAT WAS SORT OF AN ACCOUNTING MECHANISM THAT WAS USED, UM, IN PRIOR YEARS WHEN THERE WERE VACANT POSITIONS AND WE'RE NOT, UM, USING THAT ACCOUNTING METHOD ANYMORE. SO WHEN WE HAVE VACANT POSITIONS, UM, THEY WILL BE SHOWN AS FUNDED IN THE BUDGET UNLESS THEY'RE CUT. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING ENORMOUS SALARY INCREASES IN MY PROGRAM. THIS IS JUST ADDING BACK THE [04:15:01] POSITION. UM, LET'S SEE. AND THEN THE, WE ALSO HAVE INCLUDED IN HERE, UM, FUNDING, I BELIEVE I THOUGHT WE HAD IT IN HERE, BUT THE, UM, COST OF THE, UH, LOBBYING, UM, SERVICES CONTRACT FOR NEXT YEAR. IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANNA CONTINUE THAT, THERE'S FUNDING IN MY BUDGET FOR THAT. AND THE INTENTION IS THAT IF I CAN FIND A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER WITHIN INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS EXPERIENCE, I CAN FINALLY RELIEVE OUR ESTEEMED CITY ATTORNEY SO HE CAN GO BACK TO CITY ATTORNEY JOBS AND THE, UM, INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS WOULD COME BACK TO CMO, BUT I'M SURE THAT KURT WOULD STILL ASSIST US. YEAH. UM, IN TERMS OF DECISION PACKAGES, THESE ARE IN, UH, QUOTE THE CITY MANAGERS PROGRAM. UM, BUT ACTUALLY THEY'RE, UH, UH, THE FUNDING ENDS UP IN THE GENERAL SERVICES BUDGET THAT, UM, BARBARA TOUCHED ON EARLIER. UM, SO I'VE CREATED A PLACEHOLDER, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE FIRST LINE OF $200,000 FOR A POTENTIAL LARGE GRANTS PROGRAM. YOU PREVIOUSLY HAD A REQUEST FROM SOME OF THE, UM, ARTS COMMUNITY COME BEFORE YOU AND EXPLAIN THAT OUR CURRENT SMALL GRANT PROGRAM WASN'T, UH, A GOOD MATCH FOR THEIR LARGE ORGANIZATIONS, UM, AND THAT THEY THOUGHT PERHAPS THE COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER A DIFFERENT FUNDING MECHANISM FOR LARGE ARTS ORGANIZATIONS. AND SO I PUT A PLACEHOLDER IN THE DECISION PACKAGES FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TOMORROW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE THAT OR NOT. THE OTHER ONE I REFERRED TO EARLIER WHERE OUR, OUR EXISTING COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDERS, UM, ARE GOING TO BE IN THE LAST YEAR OF A THREE YEAR CONTRACT NEXT YEAR, AND MANY OF THEM HAVE ASKED FOR AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE FOR THAT LAST YEAR. UM, THIS $86,000 REPRESENTS A 5% ACROSS THE BOARD INCREASE FOR ALL OF THEM. UM, BUT WE'LL TALK TOMORROW MORE ABOUT, UM, IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER, UM, OTHER AMOUNTS FOR THAT AND, UM, WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING. SO NONE OF THOSE ARE IN THE, IN THE BASE BUDGET. YEP. SO ANNETTE, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ONE THING THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT. AN ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER THAT'S BEEN IN THE BUDGET ALL ALONG. IT JUST HASN'T BEEN FILLED FOR THE, SINCE THE TRANSITION FROM ONE CITY MANAGER TO THE OTHER. AND I, I, I KNOW FIRSTHAND HOW MUCH THAT POSITION NEEDS TO BE FILLED, SO MM-HMM . UM, BUT IN CASE ANYONE'S WATCHING THAT MAY THINK IT'S SOMETHING NEW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING NEW. IT'S BEEN IN THE BUDGET ALL ALL ALONG. CORRECT. IT'S NOT A NEW POSITION, BUT THE FUNDING THAT WAS IN THE POSITION WAS, UM, I DON'T KNOW, ADJUSTED OUT OR SOMETHING BECAUSE IT WAS VACANT. SO AGAIN, IT WAS JUST AN ACCOUNTING ISSUE. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE POSITION DIDN'T EXIST. SO YOU'RE CORRECT, NOT A NEW POSITION. OKAY. BARBARA, NEXT UP IS NANCY LATTANZI WITH ARTS AND CULTURE. GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. GOOD TO BE HERE. NEW EXHIBIT UP NORTHERN ARIZONA WATERCOLOR SOCIETY. JUST WENT UP THE 30TH ANNIVERSARY AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE, UM, RECEPTION IS THE EIGHTH. IF YOU CAN MAKE IT FOUR TO SIXTH. OKAY. DID YOU WANNA START ABOUT OH YES. AND NANCY ASKED ME TO DO HER, UM, OPERATING BUDGET, UH, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO DO FOR ANYBODY. SO IN DIRECT COST, SHE'S INCREASING ABOUT 10%. THAT'S, UM, REALLY DRIVEN BY SALARY AND BENEFITS INCREASE. AND, UM, AN INCREASE IN CAPITAL, WHICH IS FOR LIKE MURALS AND ART THAT WE WOULD PUT IN THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S INCREASING A LITTLE BIT, BUT OF COURSE THAT I BELIEVE IS FUNDED FROM THE 1%. YEAH, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT. YEAH. SO THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH THE 1%. OKAY. SO YEAH, I DON'T HAVE MUCH, UM, BUT I DO WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN PLAQUES AND STANDS THAT MATCH THE ONES SIMILAR TO THE VIEW WALK FOR THE FOUR ROUNDABOUTS. AND I THINK IT'S MUCH BETTER BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ALONG THE WALKWAY AND, UM, MORE ELABORATE. THERE COULD BE A QR CODE TO LEARN ABOUT THE ARTIST AND THE, THE WORK, UM, AND PLACE THAT AT EACH, UM, UM, LOCATION FOR THE FOUR ROUNDABOUTS THAT ARE GONNA BE COMPLETED BEFORE, UM, THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE, THE COST COME IN 5,000 WAS FOR, UM, THE ACTUAL STANDS AND PLAQUES, WHICH IS THE [04:20:01] ESTIMATE WE'RE GETTING FOR THE VIEW WALK. AND THEN FOR THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE PIECES TOO WOULD BE ANOTHER THOUSAND FOR EACH ONE. SO THAT'S ALL THAT WAS. UM, I ALSO WANNA MENTION THE 1% FOR THE CAP FOR THE RANGER STATION PROJECT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA ABSORB. UM, OUT OF THE 1%, 5,000 FOR A MURAL, I'LL BE WORKING IN COLLABORATION WITH KSBI HAD MENTIONED. UM, AND THAT PERMANENT ARCH SHOULD GO INTO THE RANGER STATION PARK AND THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE DONE IN OCTOBER. A MURAL IN THE PARK OR ON THE BUILDING WITHIN THE RANGER STATION BUILDING. I'M SORRY? IN THE BUILDING? INSIDE THE BUILDING, YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. BUT THE, THE PROJECT WOULD BE COMING UP IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, IN OCTOBER TO WORK ON KSB IS GETTING, COLLECTING SOME GRANT MONEY FROM THAT. AND WE WOULD JUST CONTRIBUTE 5,000. THE ARTIST IS FROM ALASKA AND HIS FEES ARE CLOSE TO 30,000. IT'S A HUGE PROJECT. IT'S A COMMUNITY PROJECT AND WE'LL HAVE STUDENTS IN, YOU KNOW, ALL GENERATIONS, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON IT TOGETHER. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER 5,000, GO AHEAD. IS IT THE BARN OR THE HOUSE? IT'S GONNA BE IN THE BARN IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. UM, AND ALL THOSE DETAILS HAVE TO BE IRONED OUT. I KNOW THERE'S NO HVAC AND AS LONG AS IT'S SEALED, I THINK IT SHOULD BE. OKAY. SO, UM, THAT'S IN THE WORKS. THAT'S A LOCAL ARTIST IS GONNA DO IT. DID. NO, THAT'S AN ALASKAN ARTIST WHO I THOUGHT YOU SAID, BUT THAT'S WHY. OH, OKAY. BECAUSE HE'S INCREDIBLE AND HE PITCHED HIS WORK. HE GOES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY DOING THIS. AND IF YOU LOOK UP JAMES HAVENS, YOU'LL BE BLOWN AWAY. HIS, HIS WORK IS INCREDIBLE. HE'S A, UM, NATURALIST. HE DOES A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES BACK INTO, UM, MARINE BIOLOGY AND ECOLOGY AND FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND CONSERVATION. AND HE WOULD COME AND DO A, A MURAL THAT IS WITH PLANTS AND ANIMALS, INDIGENOUS TO SEDONA. UM, HE DOES SEDONA LANDSCAPES. HE'S THINKING OF MOVING HERE TOO. UM, AND YOU KNOW, ANNETTE AND I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT IT AND KSB, UM, JUST ASKED FOR THE CITY'S, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD COLLABORATE WITH THEM. SO THERE IN COUNCIL, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UH, IT KEEPS SEDONA BEAUTIFUL, BROUGHT THE PROJECT IDEA TO US AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS ARTIST ON DOING THIS PROJECT IN SEDONA AND CAME TO US AS A LOCATION, AS A SITE FOR THE PROJECT. UM, AND IT SOUNDED LIKE IT COULD BE A GOOD FIT. SO, UM, IT'S ONE COMING TO US. IT'S NOT ONE THAT WE SOLICITED INITIALLY, RIGHT. SO, AND THEN KSB IS PULLING TOGETHER MOST OF THE FUNDING FOR IT. AND THEY, I BELIEVE, UM, WE'RE PLANNING TO SUBMIT A SMALL GRANT APPLICATION AS WELL RELATED TO THIS PROJECT. SO, UM, IT WOULD BE CITY FUNDED. UM, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT. JUST A PORTION BOTH THROUGH THIS PROGRAM. AND THEN IF THAT SMALL GRANT IS APPROVED. OKAY, KATHY, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA SAY WHAT I'M THINKING. SO ISN'T THE INTERIOR DESIGNATED THAT? AND YOU CAN MAKE A CHANGE LIKE THAT, THAT THE MURAL WOULD TAKE UP THE WHOLE, HAS THAT BEEN CLEARED? AND WE CHECKED THAT THAT CAN BE DONE IN TERMS WELL, YEAH, I SPOKE WITH SANDY AND KURT HARRISON PUBLIC WORKS WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER ON, AND THEY SAID IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WELCOME AND COULD BE DONE. YEAH, BUT DOESN'T THE STATE HISTORIC OFFICE OF PRESERVATION OR STATE WHATEVER, WELL THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER STEP THAT I WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO KURT ABOUT. UM, BUT SHOULDN'T WE KNOW THAT BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT BUDGETING FOR IT? YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE SAYING PE SO HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION SHOULD HAVE A, THAT COMMISSION? THE STATE OFFICE. OH, THE STATE OFFICE. BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE, I BELIEVE THERE MAY BE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT SOME PROHIBITION INTERIOR IT'S OKAY. IS IT? YEAH, IT'S EXTERIOR THAT YOU HAVE TO GET PERMISSION DRAWER. THEY DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION. I REMEMBER WE HAD THAT. IT'S EXTERIOR HVAC. SO THIS WAS FOR INTERIOR, RIGHT? YES. THIS IS INTERIOR. DON'T THEY JUST DO EXTERIOR? YES. SO IT SHOULD BE OKAY. OKAY. UM, YEAH. 'CAUSE AND WE'VE ALSO, UM, SPOKEN TO PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT, IF IT'S SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE, THE COUNCIL DECIDES THEY WANT TO DO THOSE, UM, UM, HVAC UPGRADES, WOULD THIS PREVENT ANY OF THAT FROM HAPPENING? AND THEY SAID NO. SO WOULDN'T, AND KSB IS ALSO GETTING FUNDING FROM A CF TO PAY FOR THE ARTIST AS WELL AS SUBMITTING TO OUR SMALL GRANTS. AND THEN IN THE END WE HAVE A LETTER, UM, THAT LEGAL HAS CRAFTED, UM, THAT THEY WILL, THE CITY WILL ONLY, THE WORK CITY WILL WHAT? OWN THE OWN THE PIECE. OWN THE PIECE. SO WE WILL HAVE IT AND WE WILL STORE IT WILL BE IN OUR BUILDING. I THINK IT'LL BE BEAUTIFUL. UM, HIS WORK IS AMAZING. AND IF WE HAVE WEDDINGS OR WHATEVER'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THAT IN THE BARN, IT'S A GREAT BACKDROP THAT WE WILL, IT'LL BRING VALUE TO THE, TO THE BUILDING. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT JUST IT DIDN'T GO OUT TO LOCAL ARTISTS HERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A CITY SANCTIONED PROJECT. IT'S KSB, RIGHT? IT WAS KSB. OKAY. DEREK, I'M TRYING TO PICTURE THE INTERIOR OF THAT BARN. IS, ARE THERE ANY SURFACES ON WHICH TO [04:25:01] PUT A MURAL? I MEAN, I PICTURE BEAMS AND A WALL THEY'RE GONNA TEAR OUT AND WE WERE GONNA STAND IT ALONE. LIKE WHEN YOU WALK INTO THE BIG ROOM TO THE LEFT OF THE ROOM, I DON'T HAVE VISUALS OF IT, BUT, UM, IT WOULD FIT THERE. I MEAN IT'S, I THINK THE SIZE WAS, UH, 12 TO 16 FEET WIDE BY 10 FEET HIGH. IT'S A BIG PIECE, BUT, BUT IT'S A STANDALONE. IT'S NOT, UM, THEY'RE NOT PAINTING THE WALL OF THE YOU SAID MURAL I STAND MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE WITH THAT. APOLOGIES. NOW IT'S A STANDALONE. IT'S A STANDALONE PIECE. OKAY. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. PETE, I'M GONNA MOVE OFF OF THE MURAL IF, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO TALK. ANYBODY WANNA TALK ABOUT THE MURAL THAT'S NOT GONNA BE ATTACHED TO THE WALL? ? THE URAL MURAL. THE NON MURAL. RIGHT. ALRIGHT, PETE, GO AHEAD NANCY. IN YOUR, UH, FISCAL YEAR OBJECTIVES, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT YOU LISTED ABOUT PARTICIPATING IN THE UNDER CROSSING ART. CURIOUS WHETHER YOU'VE GOT A ROLE IN THAT? UM, ANDY'S BROUGHT ME IN FOR INPUT . SO HOW DO YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT? SO I THINK NANCY WAS INTENDING TO LOOK AT SOME OPTIONS THERE, BUT ONE THING THAT WE'RE COORDINATING FOR NEXT YEAR WAS LOOKING AT ADDING A FEW PANELS FOR THAT PORTION OF A CREEK WALK. SO IT'D BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW AT THE VIEW WALK AREA. THIS WOULDN'T BE A CAPITAL EXPENDITURE, HOWEVER, IT WOULD BE, UH, A FAIRLY MINOR EXPENSE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS BEING LOOKED AT THERE. BUT I THOUGHT NANCY WAS ALSO LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS FOR LIKE A POSSIBLE MURAL AND RIGHT. AND I HAD PUT, AND I JUST SPOKE WITH STERLING BEFORE THIS MEETING, I HAD PUT A POTENTIAL, UM, AMOUNT, 20,000 FOR FUTURE POTENTIAL MURALS THAT COULD GO IN THE CREEK WALK OR IN THE UNDERPASS OR WHEREVER. UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS GONNA STAY IN FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 OR 27. I THINK IT WAS BUMPED TO 27. ANNETTE STERLING JUST MENTIONED THAT TO ME. YEAH. SO DURING THE CIP PROCESS, WE HADN'T FUNDED FY 26 FOR CITY ART MURALS. SO THAT'S CURRENTLY ZERO, BUT IT IS FUNDED FY 27 GOING FORWARD. SO IF COUNCIL WOULD WANNA MOVE FORWARD, WE COULD ADD THAT ADDITIONAL AMOUNT BACK INTO FY 26. AND WHETHER IT'S THE A CIP PROJECT OR JUST NANCY'S INVOLVEMENT IN THINKING ABOUT WHAT ART IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE THING TO HAVE IN YOUR OBJECTIVES FOR THIS COMING YEAR. 'CAUSE I THINK YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING TO ADD. OKAY. UM, AND THEN I MAYOR YOU MISSED MY, UM, DESIRE TO ASK CITY MANAGER SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HER ELEMENT. SO I'M GONNA DO THAT THEN THAT ON CMO THREE, I DON'T SEE YOUR OBJECTIVES FOR 20 THIS FISCAL YEAR. YOU ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU HAVE ALL YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS. WONDERFUL. BUT I DON'T, AND THEN WE GO TRANSITION RIGHT INTO THE ARTS PROGRAM. I DON'T SEE ANY OF YOUR OBJECTIVES FOR, OH, THIS HERE. OOPS. WHICH COUPLES THEN WITH, I THINK WE TYPICALLY HAVE, UM, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. IT, IT COUPLES WITH THE CONVERSATION WE HAD DURING THE REVIEW THAT YOU WERE GOING TO, UH, DOCUMENT, YOU KNOW, YOUR ACT, YOUR DESIRES OF THINGS TO ACHIEVE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. OKAY. UM, SO TO CLARIFY, MY UNDERSTANDING IN THE BUDGET DOCUMENT IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL'S OBJECTIVES WERE ALSO THE SAME OBJECTIVES LISTED HERE. SO I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE JUST BEEN A TYPO OR SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T GET PLACED IN HERE. 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE THEM. YEAH. SO WE DON'T HAVE, I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY, UH, OBJECTIVES, BUT WHAT I'VE NOTICED IN PRIOR YEARS, THE, THE CMO OBJECTIVES OR DERIVED OUT OF THE WORK SESSIONS. AND SO IT'S A RELATIVELY SHORT, SHORT SECTION THAT WE'VE HAD FOR COUNCIL AND CMO OBJECTIVES BECAUSE IT'S REALLY DERIVED OUT OF WHAT COMES FROM THE WORK SESSIONS. SO WE CAN DEFINITELY ADD THAT IN BEFORE THE BUDGET BOOK. AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT. I BELIEVE I DID PREPARE ALL OF THAT. I THOUGHT I GOT THAT ALL SUBMITTED. SORRY. AND I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE KIND OF FOCUSED ON OUR OBJECTIVES AND THAT'S GOOD. BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WANNA DO RELATIVE TO MANAGING, YOU KNOW, YOUR STAFF AND I WOULD SORT OF LIKE TO SEE THE INSIGHT AS TO WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU AND THE THINGS YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. YEAH. AND THEN LASTLY, I'M GONNA MENTION THIS NOW 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, UH, WHEN A, A A DIFFERENT TIME BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A, A MORE GLOBAL REQUEST. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US REDOUBLE THE EFFORT AND DO SOMETHING REALLY SPECIFIC AND THOUGHTFUL, STRATEGIC IS A BETTER WORD ABOUT INCREASING THE SPANISH LANGUAGE RESIDENT COMMUNICATION AND PARTICIPATION IN OUR EVENTS. SO I KNOW THAT LAUREN WOULD HAVE A GREAT ROLE AND PUBLIC WORKS IS DOES STUFF WHEN IT'S TIME FOR [04:30:01] THEM. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY, UH, HERE FOR THE SUP THAT RAN THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S, AND THAT COULD BE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, BUT IT'S HISTORICALLY SOMETHING WE'VE STRUGGLED WITH. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US ACTUALLY PUT SOMETHING FORMAL TOGETHER TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO INCREASE PARTICIPATION, UH, AT OUR MEETINGS. AND SURE. WE, WE DO HAVE, UM, SOME OF THAT IN THE SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM. BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE BIGGER OVERALL, UM, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ACCESSIBLE TO THE LATINO COMMUNITY. YEAH. RIGHT. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT WHEN THE PROJECT STARTED, I THINK IT WAS BEFORE YOU WERE HERE, PETE, WE HAD MACKENZIE JONES WHO WAS, WHO SPOKE VERY FLUENT, AND SHE WAS ABLE TO BRING A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE ON BOARD. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE HERE NOW, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF OUTREACH. EXACTLY. YES. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS GREAT AT THE START. AND IT LOOKED LIKE IT FIZZLED AT THE END BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, THERE'S LOTS OF REASONS. I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT WE'VE DONE A, A BETTER JOB IN, WE'VE HAD SOME OVERT ACTIVITIES IN THE PAST. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THOSE OVERT ACTIVITIES OKAY. IN THE FUTURE. SO I COULD, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET SOME CLARITY THEN. ANNETTE, YOU, YOU'RE GETTING SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS FROM, FROM PETE AND YOU'RE WRITING THEM DOWN, BUT DON'T YOU NEED CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL BEFORE YOU DO SOME OF THESE THINGS? OR YOU JUST ASSUMING, AND I THINK YOU PROBABLY WOULD GET CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ALL AS A GROUP BE, UH, GIVING INPUT ON. WELL, I THINK, UM, YOU ALL WILL BE GIVING FEEDBACK TO ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT PRESENTATIONS YOU'RE HEARING, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF A BUDGET IMPACT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, FOR HAVING A SPECIFIC LATINO OUTREACH PROGRAM OR WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO TALK TO LAUREN AND BECAUSE IT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD FALL INTO HER SHOP. UM, I MEAN, I CAN GO BACK AND TRY TO THINK OF SOMETHING AND WELL, I PREPARE SOMETHING OR WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE COUNCIL LIKE, AS LONG AS WE ALL OPINE, I THINK YOU'D PROBABLY GET SUPPORT ABOUT IT. BUT IT'S JUST, I WANNA BE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, WHETHER IT'S A BUDGET ITEM OR JUST A CHANGE IN THE WAY THINGS ARE DONE. I KNOW A COUPLE OF IDEAS HAVE BEEN MOVED AROUND AND IT SHOULD BE A CONSENSUS OF THE COUNCIL. SO. OKAY. VICE MAYOR PETE PROMPTED MY THINKING. AND THIS IS JUST A FYI, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY AMERICORPS VOLUNTEERS WE HAVE NOW. TWO, IS IT TWO? SOMEWHERE ALONG THAT LINE. BUT THAT PROGRAM IS ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK. OH, AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. MM-HMM . SO TO WHATEVER DEGREE IT IMPACTS OUR BUDGET, WE OUGHT TO BE FOLLOWING THAT. UH, ANY, OH, I JUST HAVE ONE MORE. YEAH. UM, JUST TO TAG ONTO THE 1% FOR THE CIP FOR THE RANGER STATION PARK, I PUT IN ANOTHER, BESIDES THE 5,000 FOR THIS MURAL WE SPOKE ABOUT, I PUT IN ANOTHER 5,000 TO PURCHASE ART MARK ROUND, WHO IS AN ART HISTORIAN, HAS INCREDIBLE ART AND LITHOGRAPHS THAT MAX ERNS PRINTED DOROTHY TANNING PAINTINGS BY LILLIAN WELLHELM SMITH. AND THAT'S PARTICULAR INTEREST, 'CAUSE LILLIAN OWNED THAT PROPERTY THAT THE RANCH IS ON CHI, IT WAS SHAKIRA RANCH BACK IN THE DAY. AND ALL THOSE PAINTINGS WERE DONE RIGHT ON THAT CREEK, AND WE CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE SOME OF THEM. SO I LOOKED AT THEM AND I CHOSE A FEW THAT WILL GO OVER BEFORE I ACTUALLY PURCHASE THEM, BUT THEY CAN BE HUNG IN THE HOUSE OR THE BARN, DEPENDING WHAT THE RENOVATION LOOKS LIKE. I WASN'T SURE WHERE THEY WERE GONNA GO. THAT'S, WELL, THE HOUSE HAS GOT HVAC, SO THAT, THAT'S FINE. AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DO WITH THE BARN, IT'S A, IT'S A POSSIBILITY, BUT IT'LL BE ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS REALLY SPECIAL. SO THAT WOULD BE REALLY COOL. YEAH. SO I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR NANCY? OKAY. MOVING RIGHT ALONG. WE'VE GOT, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. STEVE IS, THAT GUY KEEPS POPPING UP EVERY ONCE FOR A WHILE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HELLO, MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. OKAY. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO GO LINE BY LINE HERE. I THINK THE, EXCUSE ME. THE BIG, UH, PICTURE HERE IS THAT, UH, OUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UH, BUDGET LINE ITEM HAS DECREASED, UH, GREATLY. AND, UH, MUCH OF THAT IS DUE TO, UM, THE GREATER EXPERIENCE [04:35:01] AND KNOWLEDGE NOW OF OUR PLANS EXAMINER, UH, WHO HAS TAKEN IT UPON HERSELF TO, UH, PUSH HERSELF, UH, TO LEARN MORE AND MORE AND TO DO MORE AND MORE. AND, UH, I HAVE TO GIVE HER PROPS. SHE'S DONE A A GREAT JOB. SO FOR THE, UH, THE FIRST LINE HERE, UH, WE'RE REQUESTING THE 24,500 FOR A TEMPORARY CITY EMPLOYEE FOR RETIREMENT. UM, BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO, UH, NEXT YEAR. AND WE WANTED THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, HAVE OUR, OUR PREVIOUS, UH, UH, LONG-TERM PLANNER COME BACK AND DO PROJECTS FROM TIME TO TIME IF APPLICABLE. SO I WANTED TO HAVE THAT OPTION THAT, UH, IF, IF IT WAS THE RIGHT PROGRAM, THE RIGHT TIMING, UM, THAT I WAS, I WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, PROCURE HER SERVICES AGAIN. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER COMES FROM. UM, THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S NO, NOBODY ON THE HOOK FOR A PERMANENT SPOT. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT. I SHOULD HAVE, I SHOULD HAVE CONTINUED WITH THAT THOUGHT PROCESS. UM, WE HAVE ACTUALLY AT THIS POINT TAKEN A STEP BACK OR, OR A MORATORIUM A LITTLE BIT SINCE WE HAVE SO MANY NEW PEOPLE ON STAFF RIGHT NOW. WE DIDN'T WANNA HIRE YET ANOTHER ONE, UH, IN SUCH A HIGH POSITION, UM, THAT WOULD NEED, UM, MORE TRAINING. SO, UH, WE'RE ALMOST AT A POINT WHERE, UH, THE NEWER, UH, PEOPLE ON STAFF, UH, ARE DOING WELL, THAT, THAT THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD. AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING TO, UH, GO OUT FOR THE SENIOR PLANNER POSITION AGAIN. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP. THANK YOU. AND THEN, UM, I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE IS, IS PRETTY MUCH SELF-EXPLANATORY. UM, THE, OH, THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT FOR THE WESTERN GATEWAY MASTER PLAN, THAT'S JUST BASICALLY $20,000 CARRYING OVER INTO THE, UH, THE NEXT YEAR. UM, KNOWING THAT, EXCUSE ME, THAT THE PROCESS WILL NOT BE COMPLETED IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR STEVE. SO THEN, WHAT'S THE 1 75 DECISION PACKAGE ABOUT WESTERN GATEWAY THEN? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, SO PHASE ONE OF THIS PROCESS IS THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. ONCE THAT GETS DONE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MASTER PLAN, WHICH IDENTIFIES THE USES IN LOCATIONS, UH, THAT, UH, COUNCIL HAS APPROVED. UM, THE 175 IS FOR AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. WE ARE NOT DEVELOPERS, I'M NOT A REAL ESTATE, UH, PERSON. UH, FOR SOMEBODY TO SAY, HERE IS THE BEST WAY TO TAKE THIS MASTER PLAN AND ACTUALLY DEVELOP IT, WHETHER IT'S US, UM, SELLING THE LAND, LEASING THE LAND, DO WE PART IT OUT? UM, SO WORKING THE, DO WE GO WITH A MASTER, UM, UH, DEVELOPER, UM, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHO WE GET AS, UH, AS OUR CONSULTANT FOR THAT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MORE ALONG THE LINES OF, NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS PLAN, WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT? HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD TO ACTUALLY GET THESE BUILDINGS UP? OKAY. THANK YOU STEVE. I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING ABOUT THIS ITEM TOMORROW. TRYING TO STAY ON TRACK TODAY AS COUNSELOR. SO YOU'RE STEALING MY, UH, REMINDED US AT LUNCH TODAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. EXCELLENT. SO NOW YOU'RE MAKING, MAKING ME HOLD MY QUESTION . WILL DO. OKAY. UH, KATHY, DO YOU HAVE A, A PETE? YEP. THANK, THANK YOU MAYOR STEVE. UH, QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, ONE THING I'VE NOTED OVER THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR IS THAT P AND Z DOESN'T HAVE ALL OF ITS MEETINGS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE DOING ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET OR YOUR ORGANIZATION SOMEHOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LACK OF WORK OR BOTTLENECK OR WHATEVER HAS BEEN FOR ALL THAT IS. ARE YOU EXPECTING THAT TO CHANGE? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE FIXED TO GET MORE THINGS TO P AND Z? SO MUCH OF THAT IS, IS WHAT'S COMING TO US, UM, EVERY YEAR. WE DO NOT, WE HAVE SEVERAL, UH, VACANT DAYS FOR P AND Z THROUGHOUT EVERY, EVERY SINGLE YEAR IN THE PAST. UM, I CAN ONLY THINK OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE HAD, UM, SHORT, UH, IN, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, UH, FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS. UM, AND MANY OF THOSE HAVE TAKEN MULTIPLE ITERATIONS OF REVIEW. [04:40:01] UH, AND, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MAYBE I CAN SEGUE INTO, UM, THE BUILDING PERMIT SIDE AS WELL, UM, BECAUSE I DID WANT TO TRY TO ADDRESS, UH, THE STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE BY THE CITIZENS WORK GROUP ABOUT HOW TOUGH IT IS TO GET A PERMIT HERE IN TOWN. I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PERFORMANCE NUMBERS, THEY'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN BETTER THIS YEAR. AND WHAT PEOPLE DON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IS THAT WE ARE JUST ONE SIDE OF THIS WHOLE EQUATION THAT, UM, WE CAN TURN AROUND OUR FIRST REVIEW IN SEVEN TO 10 DAYS, AND YET THE APPLICANT WILL TAKE 30 TO 40 DAYS TO GET THE PLANS BACK. SO I THINK IT, IT, IT, IT, WE NEED TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER LOOK OR THOSE THAT ARE COMPLAINING, UH, NEED TO BE TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THE ACTUAL PROCESS. AND WHAT WE'VE STARTED TO DO IS SEND OUR PLAN REVIEWS TO BOTH THE APPLICANT AND THE CONTRACTOR OR ARCHITECT WHO SUBMITS THOSE PLANS SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN SEE THAT, YES, UM, THIS IS GONNA TAKE A LONGER TIME BECAUSE THE PLANS WERE NOT IN GOOD SHAPE AND WE HAVE 63 ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED. SO WHETHER WE ARE AT FAULT AT DOING BETTER PLAN REVIEWS, DEEPER DIVES INTO PLAN REVIEWS, UM, MAKING SURE WE TRY TO CATCH AS MUCH AS WE CAN, BECAUSE MY PHILOSOPHY IS WE DO A MUCH BETTER JOB ON PLAN REVIEWS, THEN IT'S EASIER OUT IN THE FIELD, THEN OUR, OUR INSPECTOR DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE LONGER OUT IN THE FIELD BECAUSE IF HE'S GOING BY AN APPROVED SET OF PLANS THAT WE DID CORRECTLY, THEN EVERYTHING THAT'S DONE PER THAT PLAN, UM, SHOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, UH, MEET CODE. SO IN, IN BOTH INSTANCES, WHETHER IT'S THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, WHETHER IT'S A BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW, UM, I THINK WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT BOTH SIDES OF IT. AND I, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS, OUR PERFORMANCE NUMBERS, THEY'VE EITHER BEEN THE SAME OR LESS TIME-WISE, UH, FOR, UH, AND THE METRICS IS, IS, UM, THE AMOUNT OF DAYS FROM WHEN WE FIRST GET THE PERMIT TO WHEN WE EITHER APPROVE IT OR, OR SUBMIT OUR FIRST ROUND OF COMMENTS, AND THOSE ARE, UH, EQUAL TO OR LESS THAN WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR. YEP. YEAH. TO SORT OF ADDRESS THAT, WHAT CAN OFTEN BE A MISPERCEPTION ABOUT SORT OF WHOSE HANDS IT IS, THERE MIGHT BE A METRIC OR EVEN POSTED ON THE WEBSITE WITH EACH PROJECT ABOUT WHERE'S THE SHOCK CLOCK, WHO'S GOT IT RIGHT. SURE, SURE. AND HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN IN THEIR HANDS, KIND OF YES. THING. YES. AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED DURING OUR ERP, UH, R-F-P-E-R-P, UM, UH, MEETINGS THAT WE HAD, UH, WITH EACH OF THE APPLICANTS, UH, WAS CAN WE USE THAT SYSTEM TO GIVE US THOSE, THOSE TIMEFRAMES? RIGHT. AND, UH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE A LOT BETTER OFF, UH, ONCE WE DO, UH, FIND A NEW ERP SYSTEM. SO, AND IS THE ERP SYSTEM ALSO GONNA FACILITATE DIGITAL PLAN SUBMITTALS? YES, SIR. DIGITAL PLAN, UH, SUBMITTALS PLAN REVIEWS AND INSPECTIONS. SO, UM, IT'LL, IT'LL ONCE, ONCE WE, THERE'LL BE THAT, THAT LEARNING CURVE, BUT ONCE WE GET GET IT GOING, I THINK, UH, WE, WE WILL FIND SOME EFFICIENCIES. YES. AND THEN, MAYOR, I'VE GOT QUESTIONS ON BOTH THOSE DECISION PACKAGES, BUT WE'RE REALLY GONNA DO THAT TOMORROW. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANNA DEFER WITH ALL THOSE QUESTIONS TO I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER, YEAH. YEP. GOOD. THANK, I'D LIKE TO TAKE ONTO SOMETHING THAT PEACH HAS BROUGHT UP, OR THAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT RESPONDING BACK TO THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTOR. WITH THAT BEING DONE, WHICH IS GREAT. 'CAUSE I KNOW IN, IN ALL THE PAST YEARS THAT A LOT OF TIMES THE APPLICANT THOUGHT THAT WE WERE DRAGGING OUR FEET WHEN IT WAS ACTUALLY THE DEVELOPER. ARE YOU SEEING ANY RESULTS FROM THAT NEW POLICY WHERE THEY, SO YOU WERE GETTING THOSE COMPLAINTS? YES. UM, WE'RE NOT SEEING RESULTS IN TURNAROUND TIMES. I THINK WHERE WE'RE SEEING RESULTS ARE, AND THIS IS SAD TO SAY, UM, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE PERIODS, UH, OR TIMES WHERE THE APPLICANT CALLED US UP AND SAID, WHAT'S GOING ON? WHAT'S THE STATUS? UM, YOU KNOW, MY ARCHITECT SAYS, YOU'VE HAD THESE PLANS FOR THREE WEEKS, ARCHITECT NEVER SUBMITTED IT. SO IT'S VERY EASY FOR, UH, PEOPLE TO POINT AT THE CITY AND OUR PROCESSES. AND, AND, AND AGAIN, DON'T GET ME WRONG, WE, WE TAKE OUR TIME IN DOING THESE THINGS. I WANT TO DO IT RIGHT. AND I, I GET IT, SOME CITIES DON'T HAVE THAT TIME TO DO THAT, AND SO THEIR PROCESSES ARE QUICKER. UM, THEY HAVE, UH, DIFFERENT METRICS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO MEET. UM, UH, SO WE'RE ALWAYS HERE. WELL, I, I CAN GET THIS IN THIS CITY QUICKER AND THAT'S GREAT, BUT [04:45:01] OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO DO A PROPER REVIEW, UH, TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR, UH, THOSE THAT ARE, ARE GETTING THIS WORK DONE FOR THEIR PROPERTIES. OKAY. VICE MAYOR, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT LAST YEAR I REMODELED MY HOUSE AND MY CONTRACTOR TOLD ME LOVES WORKING WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA. HE SAID, THE COUNTY IS A NIGHTMARE AND THE CITY IS A PLEASURE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHEREIN LIES THE ISSUES, BUT I WILL JUST SHARE ONE EXPERIENCE THAT WAS VERY POSITIVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'RE NOT PERFECT. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M TRYING TO DO, UM, UH, IN THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR IS, I WANNA START, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT YET. UM, I SIT DOWN WITH STEVE, I DON'T KNOW. UM, I WANNA START A PROCESS WHERE OUR CONTRACTORS, OUR OUR DESIGNERS, UM, ARCHITECTS THAT I CAN HAVE A MONTHLY MEETING, UH, FOR AN HOUR OR TWO, COME ON IN, LET'S TALK CODE, LET'S TALK PROCESSES, LET'S TALK, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOUR, WHAT ARE YOUR COMPLAINTS, WHAT ARE YOUR ISSUES? SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS ON MY BOOKS, UM, TO, TO DO IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THAT'S IN YOUR SPARE TIME. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. I KNOW, UH, MELISSA, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? BRIAN? THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS, STEVE, ON THE CD THREE, UNDER LONG RANGE PLANNING, CFAS ARE NOT REFERENCED. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS THERE'S NO INTENTION THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT AN UPTOWN CFA OR WESTERN WEST SEDONA, CFA AT ALL DURING THE UPCOMING YEAR? UM, GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE, UM, IT IS OUR INTENT TO LOOK AT THE UPTOWN CFA. IN FACT, THE DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN, UM, I DUNNO IF YOU REMEMBER, BUT IN THE LAST COMMUNITY PLAN, THE CFA WAS DOUBLED IN SIZE, KNOWING THE DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE NOW, MY THOUGHT IS, UM, IT WOULD LEND, UH, UH, BE BETTER FOR THE CITY, RIGHT? IF WE DID IT IN TWO PHASES, WE CAN COMPLETE THAT DOCUMENT FOR WHAT USED TO BE THE UPTOWN CFA AREA AND THEN COME BACK AND COMPLETE IT FOR THE REST OF THE AREA. UH, SO THAT IS THE INTENT. OKAY. UM, IT DEFINITELY IS ON, ON MY WORKLOAD SCHEDULE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MR. MAYOR, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT TO THAT? I DID. UM, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA APOLOGIZE. I THOUGHT THAT YOUR PRIORITIES WERE IN THE BUDGET BOOK, AND WE JUST REALIZED IN A QUICK EMAIL BETWEEN STERLING AND I THAT IT WAS NOT INCLUDED, BUT IT IS PREPARED. SO WE'LL GET THAT PRINTED INTO TOMORROW FOR YOUR, UM, DELIBERATIONS. BUT IN REGARDS TO THIS QUESTION, UM, UNDER THE LAND USE GOAL, UM, THE FIRST PRIORITIES THAT YOU HAD, UM, IDENTIFIED WERE UPDATE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH IS ON HERE, REVISE THE DEVELOPMENT AND SET OF GUIDELINES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING POLICY, UM, THE WESTERN GATEWAY MASTER PLAN IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY. AND THEN AFTER THAT WAS THE UPTOWN CFA, AND AFTER THAT WAS THE WEST SEDONA CORRIDOR PLAN. AND, UM, SO I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, BASED ON THAT AND STAFFING CAPACITY, IF WE'RE DOING THESE OTHER PROJECTS THIS COMING YEAR, I DON'T KNOW HOW REALISTIC IT IS TO DO AN UPTOWN CFA AS WELL. UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. YEAH. THANK YOU. BLESS YOU, . SO, SO CAPACITY AND PLANNING IS OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE GREATEST BOTTLENECKS WE HAVE. WE ALL KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN THAT WAY, I THINK AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, WHICH ISN'T TERRIBLY LONG COMPARED TO SOME OF THESE FOLKS. UM, BUT WE HAVE TALKED IN THE PAST ABOUT, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE STAFF TO DO IT, IT'S GREAT TO BUILD THAT CAPACITY, UH, IN-HOUSE, BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT UTILIZING A THIRD PARTY IN ORDER TO WORK ON SOME OF THIS STUFF SOONER THAN, WELL, WE OUGHT TO DO THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S REALLY ANY CONTINGENCY IN THE BUDGET AT THIS POINT TO INCREASE OUR CAPACITY THROUGH THE USE OF A THIRD PARTY IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THIS SOONER. AND AS I RECALL, AS IT RELATES TO UPTOWN IN PARTICULAR, THE VARIOUS ITEMS THAT COUNCIL HAS ASKED TO HAVE INCORPORATED [04:50:01] AS PART OF THE GARAGE PROJECT OF LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE ONE-WAY TRAFFIC ON SOME OF THE UPTOWN STREETS AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA. LIKE, THE IDEA, I THINK WAS THAT THAT WOULD ALL WIND UP DOVETAILING INTO A CFA AND WE'RE EXPECTING THAT STUFF TO BE HAPPENING NOW. SO IF, IF WE NEED A CONTINGENCY FOR ADDITIONAL LABOR, YOU KNOW, I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD AGREE WITH THAT OR NOT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND THESE TWO DECISION PACKAGES ARE CONSULTANTS. ANDY, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE CHOPPY AT THE BIT. I'M JUST REALLY SURPRISED , UM, HOW MUCH HEAT I TOOK OVER HIRING A CONSULTANT FOR, UH, PLANNING, UH, IN RELATION TO THE GARAGE. BUT, UM, DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT ON A, ON A CONTINUAL BASIS IS BEING ABLE TO BRING IN OUTSIDE ASSISTANCE FOR SURE. NO, I, I'VE BEEN A PROPONENT OF LOOKING AT THIS FOR PLANNING LIKE THIS, LIKE FOR CFAS FOR A LONG TIME, SO, WELL, LONG TIME'S RELATIVE, BUT FOR A SHORT TIME COMPARED TO YOU ANDY. SO, SO STEVE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS, UH, EMPLOYEE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR 24 5 WOULD POSSIBLY BE DOING, BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT PERSON, YOU, THERE'S NO WAY IT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO BE STAFF DRIVEN. SO WE HAVE TO BE FULLY STAFFED FIRST BEFORE I CAN FIGURE OUT EXACTLY, UM, HOW TO BEST UTILIZE THAT STAFF. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE GET LUCKY AND WE GET A REALLY GOOD, UH, UH, SENIOR PLANNER IN THIS NEXT GO AROUND AND SOMEONE WHO HAS TACKLED THESE PROJECTS IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS WE WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, LEEWAY TO DO SO. UM, BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE UNKNOWN THINGS RIGHT NOW. A WILL WE FILL THE POSITION IN ENOUGH TIME? B, WILL THAT PERSON BE EXPERIENCED ENOUGH TO JUMP RIGHT IN? UM, AND THEN WHAT ELSE IS, IS, IS ON THE HORIZON, I'M GONNA A LIST OF THINGS HERE THAT ARE ON MY PLATE. UM, SO, AND THAT'S WHERE THE COUNCIL PRIORITIES COME IN, UM, TO, TO KNOW WHERE YOU WANT US TO DIRECT OUR, OUR RESOURCES THE BEST. UM, SO YEAH, I, IT'D BE GREAT TO SAY GIVE ME 10 PEOPLE, BUT EVEN THEN, I DON'T KNOW, YOU'D STILL NEED THE MANAGEMENT FOR THAT. YOU'D STILL, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY THAT RIGHT NOW I, I DON'T THINK I CAN ANSWER FULLY. OKAY, MELISSA, SO THIS IS JUMPING ON. UM, THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WENT ALONG WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE GARAGE THAT ANDY WAS LOOKING SO ASTOUNDED JUST A SECOND AGO, DIDN'T, WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE COUNCIL, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHEN MONTHS AGO, UM, WE HAD THAT LONG CONVERSATION AND WE SAID, YES, THE CONSULTANTS THAT YOU'LL BE HIRING TO LOOK AT PARKING FEES AND WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE RESIDENT PARKING AND ALL THAT STUFF WAS GONNA BE OUT OF ONE OF THESE POSITIONS BECAUSE THESE POSITIONS HAD NOT BEEN FILLED. SO HAS THAT NOT HAPPENING OR IS THAT HAPPENING, OR WHAT'S THE STATE? WE DID HIRE A CONSULTANT TO HELP WITH THAT PROCESS. UM, YOU KNOW, COMPLETING, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL OF THOSE TASKS, SOME OF THAT WORK IS HAPPENING IN IN-HOUSE. THAT WAS, I GUESS, THE STRUGGLE OF GETTING THROUGH TO HAVING THAT CONTRACT APPROVED AT THE TIME WAS THE EXPECTATION THAT THAT WAS ALL GONNA BE DONE IN-HOUSE. AND SO YES, WE DID HAVE TO BRING IN OUTSIDE ASSISTANCE TO HELP GET ALL OF THAT WORK DONE, BUT WHAT WE SAID AT THE TIME WAS THAT WE WOULD COORDINATE WITH PLANNING STAFF ON THE PLANNING SIDE OF IT. SO WHILE, WHILE THESE GUY, THESE CONSULTANTS THAT WE HIRED ARE HELPING TO COMPLETE THE TASKS, WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE PLANNER THAT WE WERE GONNA BE COORDINATING WITH. BUT WE ARE, UH, WE ARE COORDINATING WITH THE PLANNING STAFF THAT WE DO HAVE. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I'M GONNA REPEAT BACK WHAT YOU SAID. OKAY. AND THEN TELL ME WHETHER OR NOT I'VE GOT IT. UM, SO WE DO HAVE CONSULTANTS WHO ARE HIGHER. THEY ARE REVIEWING THINGS LIKE WHAT SHOULD PARKING FEES BE, WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DO, UH, RESIDENT ONLY PARKING IN UPTOWN. SO ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. RIGHT. UM, HOWEVER, IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT, YOU STILL NEED TO HAVE THE PLANNER, WHICH WE DO CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE. IS THAT NO, NO. THE, ALL THESE DELIVERABLES ARE MOVING FORWARD AND WE WILL COMPLETE THEM. OUR HOPE WHEN WE STARTED THIS WAS THAT WE WOULD HAVE A IN-HOUSE STAFF PERSON THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE LEAD, [04:55:01] UM, INVOLVED IN COMPLETING THESE TASKS. WHILE WE DON'T HAVE THAT, WE DO HAVE PLANNING STAFF AND WE ARE INCLUDING THEM IN WHAT WE DO FOR THESE PROJECTS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THIS WEEK WE WERE JUST KICKING OFF SOME BIG PARTS OF THE WORK THAT ARE HAPPENING. SO IT'S, IT'S MOVING FORWARD AND, UM, OUR EXPECTATION IS BY THE TIME WE DO OUR NEXT SIM UPDATE THAT WE WILL HAVE A LOT TO REPORT ON. SO YES, IT IS MOVING FORWARD, IT WILL BE COMPLETED. UM, AND WE WILL COORDINATE WITH OUR PLANNING STAFF. YEAH. BUT THE COORDINATION HERE IS JUST APPRAISAL AS OPPOSED TO RELYING ON THEM TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT SOME OF THE WORK BECAUSE WE'RE USING THE CONSULTANTS. AND THIS IS NOT AN ADDITIONAL BUDGET ITEM BECAUSE YOU'RE USING BUDGET SALARY BUDGETING THAT'S ALREADY THERE BECAUSE I DON'T SEE A DECISION PACKAGE FOR THAT. OR YOU USING BUDGET THAT'S ALREADY THERE. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, STEVE, YOU GOT YOUR HOUSING COORDINATOR NEXT? YES. AND THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU, STEVE. THANKS, STEVE. I PUT THIS, THAT WAS NOT MINE. OKAY. SORRY, DID I LEAVE THAT THERE? NO, IT'S APOLOGIZE. YEAH, MAYBE. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING BUDGET. UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE HAS BEEN A 36% DECREASE IN THE, IN THE HOUSING BUDGET. AND THAT'S MAINLY DRIVEN BY, UH, COSTS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY ASSOCIATED WITH SAFE PLACE TO PARK EQUIPMENT COSTS, UTILITY COSTS THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO THOSE ARE NOW OUT, UM, OF THE BUDGET FOR OBVIOUS REASONS IT DIDN'T GO FORWARD. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. UM, THE 36% DECREASE, THAT IS ALSO, UM, THAT'S OPERATING, THAT INCLUDES THE OPERATING EXPENSES, THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED TOWARDS, UM, VERDE VALLEY HOMELESS COALITION UTILITIES, AND THE SPECIAL PROGRAM THAT IS RELATED TO THE, UH, THE RENT LOCAL PROGRAM, WHICH, UM, IT HADN'T GOTTEN A LOT OF TRACTION. AND SO THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ABOUT. UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT FIRST SLIDE? OKAY. UM, HERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ONE-TIME COSTS AND VERY PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY THAT THE CDBG GRANT, THE HOME REPAIR GRANT, UM, 275,000 THAT'S PROJECTED TO, UM, BE, THAT'S A GRANT, RIGHT? AND SO WE'RE PROJECTED TO DRAW DOWN FROM THAT GRANT THAT AMOUNT. IT COULD CHANGE A LITTLE BIT BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE BASED ON WHAT WAS, WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN EXPENDED OUT OF THE $406,000. SO YOU COULD SEE A LITTLE CHANGE IN THAT. AND THEN, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT RETAINING, WE'RE PUTTING OUT, WE'D LIKE TO PUT OUT AN RFP, UH, TO RETAIN A HOUSING STRATEGY CONSULTANT SO THAT WE CAN BUILD OUT THE HOUSING PLAN, UM, THAT WE FEEL THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE A COMPREHENSIVE SORT OF BLUEPRINT FOR WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH HOUSING, HOUSING, UH, DEVELOPMENTS, UH, WHAT KINDS OF HOUSING WE NEED, HOW MANY UNITS ARE NEEDED OF WHAT'S AMIS, WHAT DOES OUR WORKFORCE LOOK LIKE, WHAT KINDS OF PROGRAMMING WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO, UM, I'LL, YOU KNOW, UH, HELP OUT THE COMMUNITY. SO WHAT WOULD BE BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY. UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT SIDE? YES. UH, SO JEANNIE, THE, UM, THE NACO GRANT IS A, IT'S ANNUAL DRAWDOWN, OR WHAT'S THE NOVEMBER 23RD DATE ABOUT? IS THAT CORRECT? SO BARBARA, WOULD [05:00:01] YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THE GRANT IS LIKE ALLOCATED, THIS IS A $406,000 GRANT THAT WE GOT FROM CDBG. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NOVEMBER 23RD DATE IS REFLECTIVE OF. I'M SORRY, WAS THAT LAST YEAR? I AM, IT MUST BE LAST YEAR, BECAUSE WE DID GET IT LAST YEAR. IT WAS, AS WE RECALL, IT WAS REALLOCATED YES. FROM ONE PROGRAM TO ANOTHER PROGRAM. AND IT WAS APPROVED, PERHAPS IT WAS APPROVED AT, AT THAT DATE. YOU KNOW, I, I WISH I COULD ANSWER THAT AND SOUND REALLY INTELLIGENT, BUT I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK UP. OKAY. I THINK THAT IT, THIS PIECE CAME FROM SOME DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS PRIOR TO RECEIVING IT, AND WE SHOULD HAVE REWORDED IT. JUST LET US KNOW TOMORROW. I'LL MAKE SURE. YES. UM, IN TERMS OF THE HOUSING STRATEGY CONSULTANTS, SO ARE WE IN SYNC ON A TIMELINE? 'CAUSE HERE WE ARE MARCHING DOWN WESTERN GATEWAY. WE WANNA HAVE A DESIGN. A DESIGN SAYS HOW MANY UNITS WE'RE GONNA HAVE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A STRATEGY WHICH SAYS HOW MANY UNITS WE NEED. TO ME THESE ARE, THEY NEED TO BE LIKE THIS RIGHT NOW. I SEE THEM LIKE THAT. MM-HMM . SO, SO, SO CURRENTLY WHAT WE'RE OPERATING UNDER IS THE DATA FROM THE 2020 AND 2021 HOUSING ASSESSMENT THAT WAS DONE BY ELLIOT P*****K AND, AND COMPANY. UM, AND, AND IN THOSE REPORTS IT TALKS ABOUT 1600 UNITS THAT WE NEED. RIGHT? SO, SO I THINK THE HOUSING STRATEGY CONSULTANT WILL DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH INTO LIKE HOW MANY UNITS OF EACH A MI, YOU KNOW, AND I SUPPORT THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION. MY QUESTION IS, I DON'T WANNA APPROVE A WESTERN GATEWAY STRATEGY WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT, WHAT OUR OVERALL HOUSING STRATEGY IS. HOW MANY DIFFERENT UNITS, BECAUSE I KEEP HEARING THE STAFF TALK ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WORKFORCE HOUSING MEANS. 'CAUSE EVERYBODY USES IT FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSE. THE COMMUNITY HEARS THAT AND THEY HAVE THEIR IDEA OF WHAT THAT MEANS. I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING BECAUSE I'M SURPRISED HAVE TO ADMIT THIS. I'M SURPRISED WHEN I HEAR CERTAIN THINGS COME OUT OF CERTAIN PEOPLE'S MOUTHS BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN LINE WITH WHAT I THINK, NOT WHAT I WANT, BUT WHAT I THINK WE WERE SAYING AT SOME POINT. SO THIS DOCUMENT TO ME, IS REALLY IMPORTANT SO THAT EVERYBODY, INCLUDING THE COMMUNITY IS ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THIS. SO THINKING ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE, YOU ARE NOT STARTING TO HIRE SOMEBODY UNTIL JULY AND YOU'RE COMING IN JULY TO ASK US TO APPROVE A PLAN, I'M NOT GONNA BE HAPPY ABOUT IT. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE COMPLETE. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW, UH, WE IMPLEMENT A PLAN WITHOUT A STRATEGY. AND SO I'M THINKING THAT MAYBE WE CAN ACCELERATE THE HIRING OF THIS CONSULTANT OR SOMETHING THAT BRINGS THEM MORE TOGETHER. IF I MAY, MR. MAYOR. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IN RECENT CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, OUR REGION AROUND HOUSING AND TRYING TO GET, UM, UH, A MORE INTENTIONAL HOUSING, REGIONAL HOUSING EFFORT AGAIN, UM, IS THAT, UM, THIS FIRM THAT DID THE FIRST HOUSING STUDY, ELLIOT ELLIOT P*****K. ELLIOT P*****K, YES. THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN RETAINED BY YAVAPI COUNTY AND THEY'RE UPDATING THE COUNTYWIDE HOUSING DATA. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF WHAT COVERS SEDONA, BUT, UM, I WAS GOING TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT LIKE, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO, COULD WE ADD ON A PIECE FOR SEDONA AND GET OUR DATA UPDATED FROM THAT OLD REPORT, UM, IF HE'S GONNA BE DOING IT ALREADY FOR YAVAPAI COUNTY. AND I THINK AT LEAST THAT PIECE WILL HELP WITH THE WESTERN GATEWAY MASTER PLAN DISCUSSIONS, EVEN IF IT'S NOT THE FULL BLOWN, UM, BIG STRATEGY OVER THE LONG TERM. BUT THEY ARE UPDATING THAT DATA AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS MY INTENT, WAS TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT GETTING SEDONA UPDATED AT THE SAME TIME AND WHAT WOULD THAT COST US? SO THEY'RE UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE YAVAPAI COUNTY RIGHT NOW? YES. WHAT I WAS TOLD [05:05:01] YESTERDAY, YES. YEAH. IS THAT OKAY, I WANT TO JUST TAG ONTO THAT IS I TOO HAVE A PROBLEM WHERE WE HAVE OUR OWN PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD AND IN THE EL EL ELLIOT P*****K PLAN, COTTONWOODS IMPENDING HOUSING IS NOT PART OF THAT. CAMP VERDE'S ONGOING PROJECT IS NOT PART OF THAT. THAT'S OVER A THOUSAND UNITS, IF NOT ALMOST 1500 UNITS FOR THE VERDE VALLEY NOW DO. SO I NEED TO KNOW BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, UH, WESTERN GATEWAY AND WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE THREE STORIES, FOUR STORIES, 400, 500, WHATEVER THAT IS, WE NEED TO LOOK REGIONALLY TO SEE HOW MUCH DO WE REALLY NEED? BECAUSE ARE WE GOING TO BE OVERBUILDING OR BUILDING ENOUGH? SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE VICE MAYOR SAID ABOUT YOU'RE GONNA GOING TO BE HIRING THE HIS CONSULTANT, BUT THEN YOU'RE GONNA ASK US TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE A DECISION ON THE GATEWAY WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA. SO I TOO WILL BE CONFLICTED. UH, I WOULD LIKE AN ANSWER FROM, UH, OKAY. I CAN, I CAN JUST FIRST COMMENT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, GOOD POINTS. UM, THANK YOU. UH, THE, THE DATA THAT COMES OUT OF THE VERDE VALLEY HOUSING ASSESSMENT FROM 2021 TALKS ABOUT 3,300 UNITS DOWN VERDE VALLEY WIDE. SO IF THE REST OF THE REGION IS BUILDING A THOUSAND UNITS, THAT'S STILL NOT MEETING THE NEED THAT IS CURRENT FOR THE ENTIRE VERDE VALLEY. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE THING. AND I THINK THAT, UM, WE ARE BEGINNING TO TALK ABOUT AND LEARN AND DETERMINE WHAT THESE REGIONAL, UM, NEEDS ARE, WHAT THE OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING, AND HOW TO BEST TO COLLABORATE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES. I KNOW THAT DOESN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WESTERN GATEWAY, BUT IT DOESN'T. YEAH. IF I MIGHT ADD, INSTEAD OF YOU MIGHT, INSTEAD OF LEANING OVER AND STEALING HER MIC, UM, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT ALL THIS, RIGHT? WE WISH WE HAD MORE INFORMATION AND WE WISH IT WAS MESHING BETTER. BUT LIKE JEANNIE SAID, EXCUSE ME, WE KNOW FROM 2020 WHAT WE'RE LACKING IN THE REGION. WE'RE NOT CLOSE TO THAT YET. WE KNOW THAT WE'VE LOST 500 MORE HOMES TO RENTAL, UH, SINCE 2020. AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT WHEN WE COME THROUGH, COME FORWARD WITH THE MASTER PLANS VIEW, EVEN IF IT'S 400 UNITS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, AND THAT STUDY SAID 1,620 UNITS FOR SEDONA ALONE WAS THE GAP. SO I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IS YES, COTTONWOODS BUILDING HOMES, BUT DOES THAT MEAN SOME OF OUR, UM, LOWER PAID WORKERS HAVE TO NOW DRIVE A HALF HOUR, 40 MINUTES, WHATEVER, AND IT ADDS TO THEIR COSTS INSTEAD OF HAVING, UH, AFFORDABLE HOMES HERE IN SEDONA WHERE THEY WORK. SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE EQUATION THAT WE'RE THINKING OF AS WELL. SO YOU'RE RIGHT, I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE FULL ANSWERS RIGHT NOW, BUT UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT PIECE AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY AS I'M SURE MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE AS WELL. JUST BECAUSE WE NEED 1600 DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA PUT THEM IN THE WESTERN GATEWAY. AGREE. AND SOME PEOPLE MIGHT GET THAT WRONG IMPRESSION. YES. I MEAN, THERE'S ALREADY COMMENTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT WHATEVER THEY, THEY THINK IS GONNA BE THERE AND IT'S NOT, IT WAS NEVER DECIDED. RIGHT. SO, AND THEN IS IT WORKFORCE HOUSING? IS IT, IS IT MARKET RATE RENTALS? IS IT GOING TO BE ASSISTED LIVING THAT NONE OF THAT'S BEEN DECIDED. SO THAT'S WHAT'S GOING THROUGH MY MIND AND I WOULD NEED TO SEE SOME KIND OF A BETTER PLAN BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING. ALRIGHT, KATHY AND THEN BRIAN. HOUSING IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE TO US UP HERE AND OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY THAT WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE BIG PICTURE. BUT I'M TRYING TO BRING THIS BACK INTO OUR BUDGET DISCUSSION AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE THINK THAT THERE'S A LACK OF INFORMATION THAT WE NEED IN A TIMELY WAY TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS GOING FORWARD, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT BUDGETING THIS INTO NEXT YEAR. BUT WHY CAN'T WE, WHEN WE HAVE OUR CONVERSATION TOMORROW ABOUT SOME SURPLUS FUNDS, WHY CAN'T THIS BE MOVED UP IN THAT? LIKE WHY WOULDN'T SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, TO GET THIS INFORMATION AND PAY A CONSULTANT FEE THAT [05:10:01] WE NEED AT THE MOMENT TO GET THAT INFORMATION, WHY COULDN'T WE HAVE THAT AGENDA AND DO THAT IN THE, OUR CURRENT BUDGET? WHY DO WE HAVE TO, IF WE THINK THAT THERE'S INFORMATION THAT WE NEED, WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT TO GET IT? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. COUNCILOR KINSELLA, THE, UM, THE ARIZONA BUDGET LAW DOESN'T ALLOW US TO ADD OR INCREASE, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE BUDGETS TO DO THAT. BUT IF WE WERE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE EXISTING OPERATING BUDGET WHERE THERE'S ANY SAVINGS THAT COULD BE SHIFTED OVER TO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, YOU KNOW, TO DO THAT, UM, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT, BUT WE CAN'T LIKE INCREASE THE OVERALL BUDGET, UM, TO ADD A NEW PROJECT. UM, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO SEE IF THERE'S VACANCY SAVINGS SOMEWHERE. I'M, I MEAN AS WE'VE HEARD BARBARA SAY BEFORE, JUST AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF THE BUDGET, WE TYPICALLY ONLY SPEND LIKE 85% OF IT BY THE END OF THE YEAR, 90%. UM, SO THERE'S ALWAYS SOME UNENDED FUNDS AT THE END OF THE YEAR. IT'S JUST IDENTIFYING WHERE THOSE ARE AT TO DO THE ACTUAL TRANSFER INTO A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ACCOUNT. UM, AND SO I'M HOPING TO FIND OUT LIKE, CAN WE GET ON THIS, UM, PROJECT WITH THE COUNTY? 'CAUSE THAT SEEMS LIKE THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO GET THAT DATA. UM, THE OTHER THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM COUNCIL AS WELL, WHICH IS WHY I WAS SUPPORTING JEANNIE'S CONSULTANT REQUEST ON THE STRATEGY IS THIS, UM, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN AND PROCESS, UM, TO TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING ISSUES TO HELP INFORM WHATEVER THAT STRATEGY'S GONNA BE. AND SO WE WOULD USE THIS CONSULTANT TO HELP US WITH THAT. AND THERE'S SEVERAL FIRMS THAT SPECIFICALLY DO THIS IN THE HOUSING SPACE. UM, BUT I THINK THAT AGAIN IS SOMETHING THAT COULDN'T BE DONE BY THE TIME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WESTERN GATEWAY. UM, I DON'T THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD TAKE MANY MONTHS TO DO A PROPER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS ON HOUSING GENERALLY, BUT WE CAN GET THE DATA PART ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS, THAT TYPE OF THING UPDATED AND AT THAT TIME IF WE WERE GONNA, SO IF, IF, BECAUSE I SAW SOME NODS AROUND THE DAY YES. AS WELL AS I WAS STATING THAT. SO IF WE WERE GOING TO MOVE THAT UP CALENDAR WISE TO GET THAT INFO AGAIN, THAT ALSO COMES TO US BECAUSE AS THAT WOULD BE A CONTRACT THEN, SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME ABOUT RIGHT. ALSO ABOUT WHAT WE EXPECT TO GET FROM THAT VERSUS WHAT WE ARE DOING IN HOUSE. 'CAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT, I'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN ON AN IN-HOUSE LEVEL AS WELL, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION THAT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, FOR RIGHT NOW. BUT I MEAN THAT I, SO I THINK THAT'S OUT THERE. SO I'M JUST LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE'S SORT OF AGREEMENT AROUND GIVING YOU THAT DIRECTION. YEAH, I SEE A BUNCH OF NODS. OKAY. MELISSA'S NOT NODDING, BUT SHE HAS A QUESTION SO I WANNA MAKE SURE BRIAN, WHAT WAS, BRIAN WAS NODDING, HOLLY WAS NODDING. DEREK WAS NODDING. SO MY QUESTION ACTUALLY GOES BACK TO THE, UM, PEOPLE WE HAD WHO DID THE HOMELESS STUDY AND I WAS PRETTY SURE THAT I HAD READ AT THAT TIME. AND AGAIN, IT'S BEEN A WHILE, SO MAYBE I'M JUST MAKING IT UP. BUT, UH, THEY WERE GONNA PRESENT US WITH A STRATEGY AROUND HOW WE WERE GOING TO DEAL WITH THE PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, UM, ARE UN HOMED IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH INCLUDED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVER REALLY SAW A STRATEGY. WE, WE SAW HERE'S A BUNCH OF PROGRAMS YOU COULD DO. YES. BUT THAT'S NOT A STRATEGY. SO, UM, AND THANK YOU COUNSELOR DUNN, THE, UH, VM OR VM I ALWAYS FORGET HOW TO PRONOUNCE IT. IT'S VM VM, YEAH. UM, IS SCHEDULED TO COME BACK TO YOU AFTER THEY COMPLETE THE RESOURCE MAPPING TASK THAT YOU JUST, UM, DID A CHANGE TO THEIR CONTRACT AT THE LAST MEETING BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK FROM, UM, THE WORK SESSION YOU HAD WITH THEM. SO THEY'RE DOING THAT WORK NOW AND THEN THEY WILL BE BACK TO YOU WITH THE RESULTS OF THAT. AND THE, UM, STRATEGY RECOMMENDATIONS, AGAIN, THAT'S, I IN MY MIND DIFFERENT THAN THE HOUSING STRATEGY, BIG HOUSING STRATEGY, WHICH IS TALK IN MY MIND TALKS ABOUT THE FULL RANGE OF PRICE POINTS AND HOUSING UNIT TYPES AND THAT TYPE OF THING. UM, WHERE I BELIEVE VM IS REALLY ONLY LOOKING AT THAT LOWER END OF THE HOUSING SPECTRUM, LIKE ONE SLICE. SO WE HAVE ONE GROUP DOING A SMALL PIECE OF STRATEGY AND WE NEED TO HIRE SOMEONE ELSE TO DO SORT OF THE BROADER STRATEGY AROUND [05:15:01] THE MIX OF TYPES THAT WE NEED BASED ON THE KINDS OF WORKFORCE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AM I FOLLOWING THAT CORRECTLY? OKAY. THANK YOU BRIAN. ARE WE GOOD? THANK YOU. SO I STRONGLY AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR THAT I'M NOT KEEN ON, UH, BLESSING ANY PLANS FOR THE WESTERN GATEWAY SAYING, WELL, WE NEED LOTS OF HOUSING, SO WHATEVER IT IS, IT'LL BE, IT'LL MEET SOME NEED. LIKE I'M NOT AT ALL ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THAT APPROACH. I AGREE WITH COUNSELOR KINSELLA THAT, UM, IF WE'VE GOT AVAILABLE BUDGETS, LET'S GET THIS HOUSING STRATEGY CONSULTANT ENGAGEMENT GOING SOONER THAN LATER. I THINK THAT IT IS, I THINK YOU GOT SEVEN PEOPLE THAT WILL HAVE SEVEN OPINIONS WITH A DECENT AMOUNT OF OVERLAP. BUT BOY, I WOULD BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT THE STRATEGY CONSULTANT CONTRACT AND THEIR SCOPE OF WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GONNA WANT OUT OF THAT SO THAT IT'S NOT ANOTHER CASE OF, YOU KNOW, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE PLAYING GOTCHA WITH YOU WHEN THEY'RE PRESENTING AND OH, OKAY, WELL THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ANOTHER SCOPE OF WORK. SO I WOULD REALLY STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT, UH, COUNCIL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INPUT ON WHAT'S GONNA BE IN THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. UM, I ALSO THINK THAT IT, WE CAN COME UP WITH WHAT WE THINK THE NUMBER IS OF HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS WE NEED HERE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS A CARRYING CAPACITY FOR THAT. AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT SEEING, ABOUT DECIDING, OH, WELL WE STILL NEED 2000 UNITS, SO LET'S, LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT THE MIX IS FOR 2000 UNITS. WELL, WHAT IF REALLY ALL WE CAN DO IS PUT IN FIVE OR 600 AMONGST ALL THE PROJECTS. SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY PRACTICAL ABOUT IT. I DON'T THINK THAT, MY HYPOTHESIS IS, IS WE CAN'T SOLVE THE SEDONA HOUSING SHORTAGE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF SEDONA, EVEN WITH THE NEWLY EXPANDED ANNEXED LAND. UM, OR AT LEAST NOT WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT 10 YEARS TO SAY THE LEAST. SO, UM, YEAH, I WANT US TO BE VERY INTENTIONAL AT THIS POINT. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN JUST, UH, APPROVING HOUSING FOR HOUSING'S SAKE. CORRECT. AND UH, I REALLY HOPE THAT, UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE SEE THE WESTERN GATEWAY PLAN IN FRONT OF US, AGAIN, I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE TRYING TO, TO SPECIFY, OH YEAH, WE WANT 475 UNITS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE NEED INPUT FROM DEVELOPERS ON WHAT CAN BE BUILT, WHAT CAN PENCIL. SO I'M GETTING OFF TRACK A BIT WITH THAT, BUT THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. THAT'S MY TED TALK. THANK YOU. BRIAN. ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE. OKAY. OH, OKAY. UM, OKAY. DECISION PACKAGE. UM, SO WE HAD PUT IN A DECIS A DECISION PACKAGE FOR, UM, CONTINGENCY MONIES FOR HOUSING INITIATIVES, WHICH WOULD GENERALLY BE USED FOR, UM, ANY POTENTIAL LAND ACQUISITION POTENTIAL DIFF UM, FEES FOR ANY DEVELOPMENTS AND ANY OTHER HOUSING RELATED INITIATIVES. WELL, I PERSONALLY AM LOOKING, I'M NOT INTERESTED RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE BUDGET, THE BUDGET WORK GROUP SAYING THAT THEY DIDN'T WANNA SEE ANY LAND ACQUISITION. 'CAUSE WE HAVE THREE PROJECTS THAT HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD FIRST, AND I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT, WHETHER WE NEED THE, UH, THE MONEY FOR THE DIFF DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY UHHUH, BUT I'M A LITTLE, UH, APPREHENSIVE ABOUT GOING LOOK, LOOKING AT $2 MILLION FOR A LAND ACQUISITION. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE MINDSET WAS FOR A LONG TIME, IF SOMETHING'S AVAILABLE, LET'S GRAB IT. SO WE CAN DO HOUSING IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE HAVE THREE PROJECTS AND WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH, YOU KNOW, BUILDING ON THOSE THREE PROJECTS OR WELL, TWO PROJECTS AND THE, THE CULTURAL PARK. SO, UH, MAYOR, AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT THIS TOMORROW ACTUALLY DECISION? WELL, I'M JUST, YES, BUT I'M JUST, SHE'S MENTIONING IT AND I JUST WANT TO LET HER KNOW, UM, NANCY, UH, NOT NANCY, SORRY. JEANIE CANNOT BE HERE TOMORROW, SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO DISCUSS THIS ONE TODAY WHILE SHE'S HERE. SORRY, I'M LIKE TAKING YOU TOTALLY OFF TRACK BY DOING THAT. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, I, UH, VICE MAYOR AND THEN BRIAN SINCE WE WERE INVITED TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW WE COULD DO THAT. I, I'M CONFUSED AS TO WHY THIS IS HERE. FRANKLY, WE HAVE $15 MILLION SITTING IN A HOUSING FUND. ISN'T THAT [05:20:01] USABLE FOR THIS PURPOSE? THIS IS PART OF THAT 15 MILLION. IN ORDER TO SPEND ANY OF THAT MONEY, COUNCIL HAS TO ALLOCATE IT WITHIN THE OPERATING BUDGET. YOU, YOU HAVE TO SAY, YES, WE'RE ALLOWING THIS RESERVE TO BE SPENT IN THE BUDGET, OTHERWISE WE'RE STUCK WITH IT SITTING IN A RESERVE BECAUSE OF ARIZONA RULES THAT WON'T LET US AMEND THE BUDGET DURING THE YEAR. OH, I GET IT. YOU CAN'T CHOOSE TO USE AN EXISTING RESERVE DURING THE FISCAL YEAR UNLESS YOU BUDGET IT. OKAY, SO THIS WOULDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE TO BUDGET IT FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO USE IT. RIGHT. AND AS A CONTINGENCY, IT MEANS BASICALLY YOU CAN CHOOSE TO SPEND IT OR NOT. UM, AND IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE AT COUNCIL'S DISCRETION TO DECIDE TO USE IT. UM, BUT IT'S JUST PUTTING IT IN THE BUDGET SO THAT IT'S AVAILABLE TO BE SPENT AS OPPOSED TO SITTING IN THE RESERVE WHERE IF WE FOUND A PIECE OF PROPERTY, WE WOULD PROBABLY BORROW MONEY FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND THEN PAY THEM BACK THE FOLLOWING YEAR. FOLLOWING YEAR. OKAY. THANKS BARBARA. CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ON SOMETHING THERE? GO AHEAD. ON THIS, ON THE BRAIN, BUT THIS WOULD ONLY REFER TO LAND PURCHASES SPECIFICALLY FOR HOUSING PURPOSES. LET'S SAY WE WANTED A PIECE OF LAND FOR PRESERVATION PURPOSE THAT COULD NOT, THAT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE ACCESSED THROUGH THIS MECHANISM THEN. IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, COUNSEL CAN DECIDE HOW TO USE THE MONEY AND IF WE PUT THE MONEY IN A CONTINGENCY FOR HOUSING, IT'S IN THE OPERATING BUDGET, YOU AS, SO WE COULD PURCHASE LAND FOR COULD SAY WE'VE DECIDED TO USE THIS MONEY FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE THAT'S WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW AS LONG AS IT'S AVAILABLE WITHIN THE BUDGET TO SPEND JUST ON THAT. I WOULD IT BE EASIER FOR US POLITICALLY TO RETAG THAT, UH, LINE OF, INSTEAD OF LAND ACQUISITION, WELL IT DOESN'T SAY HOUSING, RIGHT? SO IT WOULDN'T MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE, BUT DOES PEOPLE UP UP ON TOP? YES. SO MAYBE FOR JUST PRESERVATION BEING ADDED INTO THERE, BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, WELL, YOU'RE JUST GONNA, IT'S MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE, THE TITLE IS. YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN. IT IS THESE ARE FUNDS COMING OUT OF THE HOUSING FUND. UM, SO JUST BE AWARE OF THAT. BUT I THINK YOU CAN LABEL IT AS A CONTINGENCY FOR ANYTHING THAT YOU, AS THE GOVERNING BODY WANT TO DO. BRIAN'S THINKING, I COULD SEE ONE MORE CLARIFICATION TO MINE THOUGH. COULD I FINISH UP WHAT I WAS ASKING? GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. SO IT'S REALLY, YES, IT HAS TO BE IN THE BUDGET THERE, BUT IT'S SORT OF JUST A PLACEHOLDER BECAUSE THE $2 MILLION, IF IT WAS GOING IN FOR LAND ACQUISITION DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S AN INTENT TO USE IT. BUT IF IT WAS LOWERED TO A MILLION DOLLARS TO BRING THE OVERALL BUDGET DOWN, LET'S JUST SAY, THEN WE COULDN'T EVER INCREASE THAT LINE. IS THAT CORRECT? EXACTLY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD THAT CORRECTLY. THANK YOU. IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. RIGHT? EXACTLY. YOU COULD ONLY INCREASE IT AT THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, BRIAN. OKAY. WE'RE WE'RE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT TO CALL IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, LIKE YEAH, I KNOW. LIKE, LIKE IT'S A SHELL GAME OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE SITTING IN A PUBLIC MEETING RIGHT NOW, SO I MEAN, IT IS WHATEVER IT IS IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT LET'S NOT CALL IT ONE THING AND ACTUALLY PLAN ON USING IT FOR ANOTHER. LET'S BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA ESTABLISH A CONTINGENCY IT COULD BE A RANGE OF USES, BUT LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. OKAY. UM, MY QUESTION, JEANNIE, I 2 MILLION, IT'S A NICE ROUND NUMBER. I GET THAT. A MILLION, 95,000, I ASSUME SOMETHING, UH, THERE, THERE WAS SOME REASON THAT YOU, WE ARRIVED AT 1,000,090 5,000 FOR DIFF DEVELOPMENT FEES. YEAH. LIKE WHAT WOULD THAT BE? GOOD QUESTION. CAN WE HAVE ANNETTE ANSWER THAT FIRST? OH, WOULD, IS THAT, WOULD YOU LOOK AT NO, I WASN'T GOING TO ANSWER THAT. IT WAS GOING THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION, BUT GO AHEAD. OKAY. YEAH, NO, IT'S A VERY BRIEF ANSWER THAT, UM, THAT IS THE CALCULATION OF, I THINK I BA BASED IT ON MAYBE THREE DEVELOPMENTS OF A TYPICAL SIZE, UH, WHAT THE DIFF WOULD WORK OUT TO BE. AND THAT'S WHAT IT, AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT THE NUMBER. WHAT DID YOU USE AS A TYPICAL SIZE? UH, LIKE A 30 UNIT. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. UM, MR. MAYOR, MAY I CLARIFY SOMETHING FOR THE DISCUSSION ON THE CONTINGENCIES? SO, UM, WE DO HAVE IN THE CAPITAL PROJECT'S BUDGET, IN THE CIP WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, WE DID PUT A, [05:25:01] UM, I FORGET HOW MUCH IS IN THERE, BUT A CONTINGENCY IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET FOR LAND ACQUISITION THAT'S NOT DESIGNATED FOR ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT. BECAUSE WE DID HEAR FROM COUNCIL IN THE PAST THAT YOU WERE HOPING TO HAVE THAT, UM, IDENTIFIED SO THAT WHEN OPPORTUNITIES CAME UP YOU HAD ACCESS TO SOMETHING. AND SO THAT IS TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM THIS DECISION PACKAGE. THIS DECISION PACKAGE IS WITHIN THE HOUSING FUND. DO YOU PLAN TO, DO YOU WANT US TO PLAN TO BE ABLE TO DO A LAND ACQUISITION IN FY 26 FOR HOUSING? AND IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT, UM, YOU WOULD LIKE US TO DO THAT OR HAVE THAT ABILITY IN FY 26, THEN THIS MONEY WOULD STILL BE IN THE HOUSING FUND, BUT IT WOULD BE IN YOUR RESERVE OR WHATEVER. SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO GET CONFUSED ABOUT WANTING LAND ACQUISITION FOR THINGS THAT ARE NOT HOUSING RELATED. THAT'S ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR IN A DIFFERENT, HOW MUCH? UM, ANDY WAS JUST LOOKING IT UP FOR ME. UH, TWO, 2 MILLION WE HAVE, IS IT 2 MILLION? OKAY, SO WE HAVE THE SAME 2 MILLION. OH, WE HAVE 2 MILLION IN TWO PLACES. WELL, SO IN THE CIP, THE ONE I'M LOOKING AT, IT SAYS AN FY 26. UM, IT'S PW FIVE. WHEN WE GET THERE, WE PUT 1.3 IN FY 26, 2,000,027, 2,000,028. SO SINCE THAT'S A 10 YEAR CIP, WE JUST PUT PLACEHOLDER, UM, EACH YEAR, WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FOR TRANSIT OR FOR PARKS OR FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, PRESERVATION, WHATEVER, IT'S GONNA BE JUST NOT THE HOUSING. OKAY. THAT CLARIFIES IT FOR ME TOO. SO THIS IS SPECIFIC TO HOUSING AND IT IS, LIKE BARBARA SAID, IF YOU WANT TO BRING SOME MONEY OUT OF THE HOUSING RESERVE TO BE ELIGIBLE TO BE USED IN FY 26 IF AN OPPORTUNITY COMES UP. OKAY. DEREK AND THEN PETE IN THE NEAR TERM, I HAVE ZERO APPETITE FOR BUYING MORE LAND FOR HOUSING. RIGHT. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT LITTLE PROJECTS HERE AND THERE AND EVERYWHERE AND WE'VE GOT THE WESTERN GATEWAY, WE'VE GOT THE DELLS. I MEAN, CALL IT HOUSING CONTINGENCY, CALL IT SOMETHING, BUT I JUST, I DON'T SEE LAND ACQUISITION. IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S ONE SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR IT TO GO ON THE MARKET SO WE CAN SNATCH IT UP. I JUST, I DON'T SEE US GETTING THERE IN THE NEXT, WITH, WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR. WHO KNOWS FEW YEARS FROM NOW. WELL, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING COMING UP THAT WOULD BE JUST EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT'S NOT ON THE MARKET YET, SO, AND CALL IT A CONTINGENCY. THERE YOU GO, PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. I WANT TO TURN MY ATTENTION BACK TO THE DIFF FOR DEVELOPMENTS. AND I'M ASSUMING AT THE TOP OF THIS PAGE HOUSING FIVE, IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONTINGENCY. AND SO THIS WOULD BE A SET ASIDE FOR ONLY PROJECTS THAT MEET THIS WORD AFFORDABLE. RIGHT? SO NOT A GENERAL HOUSING DIFF FEE. RIGHT? THIS IS, AND THEN AS MY THOUGHT HERE IS THAT PER OUR EXPERIENCE, THESE PROJECTS TAKE A LONG TIME. IS THERE ANYTHING MOVING IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR THAT IS AN THE AFFORDABLE LINE THAT MIGHT BE A DIFF CANDIDATE? UM, YEAH, THERE IS, UM, THERE IS THE, THE GOODROW THAT IS POTENTIALLY COMING ONLINE THAT IS GOING THROUGH PLAN REVIEW. THERE ARE 27 AFFORDABLE UNITS AS PART OF THAT PROJECT. UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE GETTING SOME KIND OF RESPONSE FROM THE DEVELOPER SOON. I DON'T KNOW WHEN, BUT WHENEVER THEY DECIDE TO DO THAT. WE ALSO ARE GOING TO HEAR IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR WHETHER OR NOT THE 24 11 STATE ROUTE 89 A WAS APPROVED FOR A 9% LITECH PROJECT. UM, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THAT WILL GO AS QUICKLY AS THAT CAN GO. UM, WHICH IS 10 YEARS, A LONG TIME , BUT, BUT COUNSELOR, UM, DON'T FORGET THAT THE 9% PROJECTS ARE INFINITELY EASIER THAN WHAT WE JUST EXPERIENCED WITH THE 4%. THAT'S WHAT WE BELIEVE. UM, SO THEN BACK, BACK TO THE GOOD ROW PROJECT OR PERHAPS ANOTHER HOUSING PROJECT THAT WAS SMALL SQUARE FOOT, MAYBE AMENITY LIGHT. IT WOULD MARKET RATE BE AFFORDABLE, ATTAINABLE. I'M GONNA SWITCH WORDS. OKAY. TO OUR WORKFORCE. WE COULDN'T USE THIS RESERVE FOR THAT PROJECT. I, I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THE INTENT OF THE DIFF UM, PAYMENT ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPERS WHEN THEY QUALIFY FOR THE DIGA, WHICH [05:30:01] I THINK IS MULTIFAMILY. I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO IT FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. BUT MY COLLEAGUE HERE TO MY RIGHT CAN CONFIRM THAT. CAN WE PAY THAT, UM, IF WE PAY THE DIFF FOR DEVELOPER THROUGH THE DIGA? THAT'S FOR MULTIFAMILY, CORRECT? NOT SINGLE FAMILY. IT'S FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE'VE DONE IT FOR A SINGLE UNIT BEFORE. OH, WE HAVE, OKAY. BUT IT'S MY APOLOGIES BUT'S REAL SMALL AMOUNT WHEN IT'S A SINGLE UNIT. OKAY, THEN I GUESS WE CAN, I WAS THINKING IT WAS DEFINED AS MULTIFAMILY, BUT WE IT, BUT I JUST WANNA SEE THAT WE'RE GONNA TITLE THIS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONTINGENCY AND DO WE NEED TO BE MORE GENERIC WITH THE LANGUAGE OF THAT POTENTIALLY. SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, ALL OF THIS HAS TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. UM, SO LIKE IF YOU'RE GONNA PURCHASE ANY LAND, WE HAVE TO BRING BACK A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT. COUNCIL HAS TO AGREE TO BUY IT. UM, SAME THING WITH THE DIFF WAIVERS OR PAYMENTS, UM, DIFF OR SO THE FEE WAIVER PERMIT, UH, WAIVERS OR WASTEWATER CAPACITY FEE PAYMENTS ON BEHALF OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, IT SAYS WHAT'S THE DIG IS A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT BASICALLY IT'S GONNA HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR, UH, APPROVAL LIKE IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR LIKE IN THE CASE OF, AND SHELBY, YOU JUST APPROVED AS PART OF A MOTION ON TUESDAY. SO, UH, YOU CAN LABEL IT HOWEVER YOU NEED TO, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S GOTTA COME TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. SURE. IT'S GOTTA COME TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. BUT WHAT I, IN THE MIRACLE THAT SOMEONE DECIDES TO MOVE A NON DIGGA ATTAINABLE HOUSING PROJECT, IF THIS RESERVE OR THIS LINE ITEM WAS ENTITLED AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONTINGENCY STAFF WOULD SAY, YOU CAN'T USE THIS BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T AUTHORIZE IT FOR THAT USE. SO SHOULD WE BE A LITTLE BIT MORE GENERIC IN LABELING WHAT THE INTENT OF THIS ITEM IS? SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING. SO ARE YOU DESCRIBING LIKE ANY PERSON THAT'S BUILDING A HOME, IF IT'S LIKE FOR A LONG-TERM RENTAL AND SOMEHOW THEY'RE GOING TO COMMIT TO THAT, THAT THE CITY WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY THE DEVELOPMENT FEES FOR THEM? UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GONNA BE MARKET RATE IS THAT I'M NOT SO INTERESTED IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, BUT IF THERE'S A MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL PROJECT THAT JUST DOESN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH DIGA AND IT DOESN'T NEED A ZONING CHANGE OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT NONETHELESS THEY CAME TO US AND SAID, LISTEN, WE'RE JUST ABOUT TO BUILD THIS, BUT I'M SHORT THIS MUCH, CAN YOU WAIVE, CAN YOU PAY SOME FEES FOR ME? THOUSAND? THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AT ATTAINABLE RATES. I THINK THAT WOULD COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL. IT'D BE AN AUTOMATIC NO FROM STAFF BECAUSE THERE'S NO ABILITY FOR STAFF TO WAIVE EXACTLY. DIFF FEE. EXACTLY. SO IT'S ALREADY AN AUTOMATIC NO, THE ONLY WAY FOR THE FOR IS THROUGH THE DIGA THROUGH FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THAT STILL HAS TO GET COUNCIL'S APPROVAL. I I I'M WITH PETE. IS THE LANGUAGE GOING TO BE PROHIBITIVE SO NARROWLY CONSTRUCTED THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TOLD WE CAN'T USE IT FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE IF IT JUST SAID HOUSING CONTINGENCY VERSUS AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONTINGENCY OR SOME NO. SO GOING BACK TO, TO BARBARA'S POINT, THE, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WHETHER IT'S IN RESERVES OR OR AN OPERATING BUDGET. AND SO THIS IS AN OPERATING BUDGET, YOU CAN CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WANT. COUNCIL CAN THEN SPEND IT. BUT THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S ALL PETE'S ASKING FOR IS A TERM THAT ENCOMPASSES DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES. IT, IT IS. AND IF IT'S, EVEN IF IT'S IN THE OPERATING BUDGET, IF IT GOES IN A LINE ITEM LABELED AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONTINGENCY, I THINK WE WOULD GET A RESPONSE FROM STAFF THAT SAYS, OH, YOU CAN'T USE IT FOR THAT CREATIVE PROJECT, NOT WITHIN THE OPERATING BUDGET. BECAUSE COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SAY WE WANT TO USE THESE FUNDS FOR THIS REGARD. IT'S KIND OF LIKE USING SALARY SAVINGS TO PAY PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. THE FACT THAT IT'S IN SALARIES AND BENEFITS DOESN'T PROHIBIT THE CITY FROM SAYING, WE'RE GONNA, THIS MONEY HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED TO BE SPENT, WE'RE GONNA SPEND IT OVER HERE BECAUSE WE CAN'T HIRE FOR THIS POSITION. SO WE HAVE TO BRING SOMEBODY ON BOARD TO HELP OUT. IT'S THE SAME KIND OF THING. IT WOULD BE, WE PUT THIS CONTINGENCY HERE AND WE CAN USE IT FOR CONTINGENT THINGS, BUT WOULD IT GET TO US BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE STAFF'S GONNA SEE IT AND SEE THIS LABEL ON IT. WELL, WE CAN CHANGE THE LABEL AND IT'S THE DEAD THE TRACK AND IT DOESN'T GET TO US. THIS ISN'T A DIFFICULT THING. I CAN LITERALLY SCRATCH OUT . YEAH, I MEAN ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS TAKE OFF AFFORDABLE AND THAT'S MM-HMM . OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN I HAD A QUESTION, MELISSA. OKAY. MELISSA'S, MELISSA'S FIRST, I JUST WANNA PUT A POINT ON THIS. THE WORDING IS IRRELEVANT. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING TO US IS FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE, CAN WE MOVE $3,095,000 [05:35:02] OUT OF THE HOUSING RESERVE AND MOVE IT INTO THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR? AND, AND IF WE DON'T NEED $2 MILLION FOR LAND ACQUISITION, BUT I NEED $2 MILLION FOR UM, GIFT PAYMENTS, IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE I'VE GOT $3 MILLION AND $93,095,000 SITTING IN MY OPERATING BUDGET FOR ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOUSING BECAUSE IT CAME OUTTA THE HOUSING. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE LINE ITEM SAYS, SO LONG AS YOU BRING IT BACK TO US AND WE WILL SAY THAT MAKES SENSE, LET'S USE PART OF THE $3,095,000 FOR THAT PURPOSE. SO WE'RE ARGUING ABOUT SEMANTICS, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING TO DO WITH SEMANTICS. THIS IS JUST MOVING MONEY OUT OF A PLACE. WE CANNOT TOUCH IT TO A PLACE WHERE IT CAN BE TOUCHED UPON STAFF COMING TO US AND US THEN GIVING DIRECTION TO STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND TOUCH IT. AM I INCORRECT? YOU ARE CORRECT. VERY LOGICAL. OKAY. OKAY. THIS IS ON THE SAME TOPIC. YES, IT, WELL, IT FLOWS, IT WAS MY INDEPENDENT QUESTION, BUT IT'S A GREAT SEGUE FROM MELISSA TOO. OKAY, GO ON. WHICH IS, IT GOES BACK TO THE FACT THAT WE OKAY, $2 MILLION AS A CONTINGENCY FOR LAND ACQUISITION HERE, KNOWING THAT IT'S FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUDGET, BUT THEN THERE'S $2 MILLION IN THE CAPITAL. SO IS IT, YOU KNOW, OKAY. A SQUARE IS ALWAYS A RECTANGLE. THE RECTANGLE IS NOT ALWAYS A SQUARE. RIGHT. SO COULD YOU COULD THAT THE HOUSING FUND CAN'T BE ACCESSED UNLESS IT'S HERE. SO IT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE 2 MILLION IN THE CAPITAL BECAUSE THAT COULD BE, SO IT'S, I'M TRYING TO GET TO, IS THERE A REDUNDANCY HERE? BECAUSE I WAS A PROPONENT FOR PUTTING A LINE, AN ACQUI, A LINE PLACEHOLDER IN THERE FOR POTENTIAL LAND ACQUISITIONS IF WE SAW SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THIS IS NOW DUPLICATIVE. NO, NO, NO. WE HAVE OTHER TYPES OF, UH, PURPOSES THAT THE COUNCIL MAY WANT TO ACQUIRE LAND FOR THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO HOUSING AND THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE CIP. BUT THE CAPITAL ONE COULD BE ACCESSED FOR SOMETHING USED FOR HOUSING, WHEREAS THE HOUSING HERE CAN'T BE USED TO ACCESS FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN HOUSING. NO, IT CAN. SHE JUST, THAT'S WHY I AM CONFUSED BECAUSE ANNETTE IS, I'M GETTING IT FROM ANNETTE A NO, AND I'M GETTING IT FROM BARBARA. YES. WELL AT LEAST THAT'S HOW I'M HEARING YOU HAVE AS, AS COUNSEL, YOU HAVE SAID THE HOUSING FUND IS GONNA DO HOUSING STUFF AND YOU SET ASIDE MONEY IN THERE FOR HOUSING. RIGHT. THE 15 MILLION. SO YOU'RE, IF, IF YOU MOVE THIS FORWARD, YOU'D BE BUDGETING A PORTION OF THAT THAT YOU AS COUNSEL SET ASIDE FOR HOUSING. NOW YOU CAN DECIDE AS COUNSEL TO SAY, WELL WE DID SET IT ASIDE FOR HOUSING, BUT WE WANNA DO THIS INSTEAD. THAT IS WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW ONCE IT'S IN THE OPERATING BUDGET. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT DUPLICATIVE BECAUSE THIS, THIS IS COMING FROM A PLACE WHERE YOU ALL DESIGNATED IT SPECIFICALLY FOR HOUSING. SO, AND THAT OTHER MONEY, WHICH IS 1.3 BY THE WAY, IT'S 2 MILLION THE YEARS AFTER, UM, IS FOR ANY LAND ACQUISITION. SO YEAH. AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY LIKE FROM THE STAFF LEVEL, I WOULD NOT APPROVE SOMEBODY SPENDING HOUSING FUND DOLLARS ON A NON HOUSING FUND PROJECT. RIGHT. BUT THE COUNCIL CAN, SO IF YOU CHOSE, BECAUSE THESE ARE POLICY DECISIONS THAT YOU'VE SAID WE HOUSING IS A POLICY, UM, INITIATIVE OF OURS. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA PUT ASIDE THAT NOBODY ELSE CAN SPEND, UM, FOR HOUSING. BUT AS A POLICY CHOICE YOU CAN SAY NOW WE'RE GOING TO LOWER OUR INVESTMENT IN HOUSING AND USE THE MONEY FOR WHATEVER. OKAY. SO THERE'S NO LEGAL RESTRICTION ON THE HOUSING FUND. IT IS A DISCRETIONARY FUND. IT'S JUST SET THERE BY YOUR POLICY. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW UNLESS, OKAY, SO I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION ON THIS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS. SO IF THIS, IF THE, IF THERE WAS A, IF THERE WAS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE WERE FOR WHATEVER REASON INTERESTED IN, WE COULD MIX AND MATCH, WE COULD TAKE A A MILLION FROM THE CAPITAL, FROM THE 2 MILLION DESIGNATED THERE AND A MILLION FROM THE, THE HOUSING ONE THAT WE'RE DESIGNATING THERE FOR THE 2 MILLION. RIGHT. SO THESE COULD CONCEIVABLY BOTH BE REDUCED AND STILL EXIST. I'M JUST LOOKING AT, I JUST THINK THIS IS MORE MONEY THAN I HAD IN MY MIND FOR WHAT WE MIGHT EVER NEED IN ONE YEAR FOR A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY THAT MIGHT PRESENT ITSELF. YES, YOU CAN DO THAT. AND THEN THE QUESTION I WOULD ASK YOU [05:40:01] IF YOU DECIDED TO PULL MONEY FROM THE HOUSING FUND FOR A NON HOUSING LAND ACQUISITION IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD WANT IT REPAID. OKAY. IN A FUTURE YEAR TO BRING THE HOUSING FUND BACK FULL OR NOT. UM, YEAH. OKAY. SO, UH, MOVE, IT'S TOTALLY UP TO THE COUNCIL HOW MUCH MONEY YOU WOULD LIKE TO SET ASIDE FOR NEXT YEAR FOR POTENTIAL LAND ACQUISITION OF WHATEVER IT IS. AND THEN IF YOU KNOW THAT TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT, WE CAN SPLIT IT UP HOWEVER. SO THIS IS JUST THE STARTING POINT, YOU KNOW, PROPOSAL. OKAY. THAT STAFF, UM, DEVELOPED. WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE ON SIDE? DEREK DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING FROM BEFORE? NO. OKAY. I WAS HOPING YOU ALL BUT WE'RE WAITING TILL TOMORROW TO THUMBS UP. THUMBS DOWN ON THIS. YES. RIGHT. WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING NOW. WE JUST DISCUSS SINCE JEANIE'S ONLY HERE TODAY. YES. GREAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON HOUSING OR ARE WE GOOD? OKAY, WE'RE GOOD. ALRIGHT. I KNOW YOU'RE VERY GOOD BUT I AM SO GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH COUNSELORS. OKAY WE HAVE UH, PARKS AND REC NEXT BECAUSE NOW WE'RE OFF OFF SCHEDULE AGAIN. LET'S DO THE FUN PROJECTS. YEAH, GOOD. THE GUY WHO BRINGS US PUTS SMILES ON EVERYBODY'S FACE. I KNOW. GOOD. THANK YOU. GET ALL OUR QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, WE ALL GOOD BYE DONNA. GOOD SEEING YOU. OKAY, I AM JOSH FRUIN PARKS AND RECREATION MANAGER. THANKS FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY AND GOING THROUGH THIS. UM, FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION BUDGET, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN OVERALL CHANGE FOR THIS PORTION. THE SALARY AND BENEFITS WILL OBVIOUSLY BE THE PART THAT'S DISCUSSED WITH HUMAN RESOURCES AND ROSS WHEN HE DOES HIS PART. UM, FOR THE OTHERS OUR OPERATING EXPENSES ACTUALLY DECREASED. 13,000 PROFESSIONAL SERVICES HAVE A DECREASE OF ABOUT 9,000 AND THEN A SMALL DECREASE ON A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS. PART OF THOSE ARE MAKING A SHIFT WHERE SOME OF THOSE ARE GETTING REALLOCATED TO THE EQUIPMENT AND SPECIAL SUPPLIES PORTION THERE. SO IT'S LESS OF US RENTING THINGS WHICH WOULD BE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND MORE OF US HAVING OUR OWN EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO USE ON AN ONGOING BASIS. WE RATHER THAN FREQUENTLY DOING SOME OF THOSE RENTALS. AND THEN ALSO A LOT OF THOSE ARE COMING FROM ONE TIME BEING THE INCREASE IN THAT EQUIPMENT SPECIAL SUPPLIES, SO THEIR ONE TIME PIECES EQUIPMENT WHICH WE'LL GO THROUGH ON THAT ONE TIME SHEET. BUT THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED THERE IN THE PARKS OR FOR OUR PROGRAMS THAT WE CAN DO THERE. ALSO ON THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES PART, I WANTED TO TOUCH, SINCE THAT IS A BIG BUDGET ON IT WITH THE $231,000 BUDGET FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. A BIG CHUNK OF THAT OF OURS IS THE WAY THAT IT'S BUDGETED WITH THINGS LIKE SUMMER CAMPS. OUR YEAR ROUND TENNIS LESSONS AND PROGRAMS LIKE THAT ARE, THOSE ARE 80 20 SPLITS WITH THE INSTRUCTOR. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF MAYOR JAB JABA WANTS TO TAKE SOME TENNIS LESSONS AND HE PAYS A HUNDRED DOLLARS, WE'RE PAYING 80 OF THAT TO THE TENNIS INSTRUCTOR AND THAT'S COMING OUT OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. WE HAVE HAD A HUGE INCREASE IN THOSE, ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS THAT WE DO THAT WITH, UM, WHETHER IT'S THE SUMMER CAMPS AND THE ADDITION OF MORE OF THOSE AS WELL AS THE YEAR-ROUND TENNIS LESSONS IN THOSE. SO FROM THOSE AMOUNTS WE'VE GONE FROM 23,000 BUDGETED FOR THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR THOSE PAYOUTS TO OVER 45,000 THIS YEAR. AND THOSE ARE JUST THE PAYOUTS TO THOSE INSTRUCTORS THERE. SO THAT'S AN PART OF THAT INCREASE THERE THAT'S LOOKING LIKE A BIG CHUNK BUT IT'S REALLY ALSO BRINGING IN 20% MORE REVENUE FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE THAT'S PAID THERE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PART THERE? OKAY. FOR OUR, OH YEAH, THERE WE GO. FOR OUR ONE TIME COSTS, PULL THAT UP HERE ON OUR ONE TIME COSTS, WE HAVE FEW ITEMS HERE. UM, ADDITIONAL SHADE UMBRELLAS AT THE POOL. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALWAYS FREQUENTLY REQUESTED IS MORE SHADE EVERYWHERE BUT ESPECIALLY THERE AT THE POOL. HAVING AN A ED AND CABINET IN POSSE GROUNDS PARK, THAT'S A BIG AREA OF CONCERN TO ME AS WE DON'T HAVE AN A ED THERE IN THE PARK ANYWHERE WITH THE PICKLEBALL, TENNIS, SOFTBALL, SOCCER FIELDS THAT ARE THERE. UM, AND FREQUENTLY REQUESTED ITEM FROM THOSE PICKLEBALL PLAYERS IS THAT'S KIND OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC WHERE THAT'S LIKELY GONNA BE NEEDED. AND SO HAVING ONE OF THOSE, THERE IS A BIG PUSH OF MINE TO HAVE THAT THERE. AND THEN SOME FEW SMALL ONES LIKE BASIC FITNESS EQUIPMENT FOR THE HUB SO WE CAN EXPAND AND DO SOME MORE YOGA CLASSES AND UM, SOME OF THE FITNESS CLASSES THERE THAT PEOPLE ARE SEARCHING FOR SOME LIFE JACKETS AND LIFEGUARD BUOY REPLACEMENT OPEN SWIM ACTIVITY APPARATUS. SO THAT WAS ONE WE ADDED SORT OF A TESTER LAST YEAR. WE ADDED AN APPARATUS IN THERE THAT'S KIND OF A LOG ROLL CLIMBER DURING OPEN SWIM. AND DURING OUR OPEN SWIM IN THIS PAST YEAR WE HAD, I HAVE MY NUMBERS HERE, [05:45:01] OUR POOL USE FOR LAST YEAR DURING OPEN SWIM AND LAP SWIM WE HAD 7,900 SWIMMERS IN 2023 FOR THE FY 23. AND IN LAST YEAR FOR THE LAP SWIM AND REC SWIM WE WERE 9,856. SO IT SHOWS ALMOST A 2000 PERSON INCREASE DURING THAT. AND FOR OUR DAYS OPEN THAT CITY USE, WE WERE 72 IN 22, 89 AND 23 AND 122 IN 24. SO WE'RE ALMOST AN EXTRA THIRD ON THAT THAT WE'RE EXPANDING THAT POOL USE. AND PEOPLE REALLY LOVED THAT REC SWIM APPARATUS THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR BROUGHT KIDS AND FAMILIES TO THE POOL THAT THEY'D COME DURING THAT REC SWIM AND LOVE TO USE IT, CLIMB ON IT, PLAY WITH IT. SO WE'D LIKE TO ADD ANOTHER OPTION, WHICH WOULD BE THIS PIECE AND IT COULD BE HAVE 'EM BOTH IN THE WATER INTERCHANGEABLE CERTAIN DAYS OF THE WEEK AND JUST CONTINUE TO BRING THAT FUN ASPECT TO THE POOL RATHER THAN IT JUST BEING THE SQUARE BLOCK OF WATER. HAVE A LITTLE FUN IN THERE TOO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE DRAWING THOSE FAMILIES TO THE POOL. ADDITIONALLY, POSSE GROUNDS, PARK SIGN UPGRADES, THERE'S A LOT OF FADED OLD SIGNS IN POSSE GROUNDS PARK AS WE'VE MADE A LOT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS. THERE'S ALSO LACKING PARTS WHERE IT'S NOT SHOWING THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, IT'S NOT SHOWING THE BOCCE COURTS, THE DISC GOLF COURSE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT UPGRADING THE PARK SIGNAGE AS WELL AS NAVIGATIONAL SIGNAGE TO THE POOL AND TO THAT DISC GOLF COURSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT IS ANOTHER BIG PRIORITY. AND THEN IN THE POOL WE ARE IN NEED OF A REPLACEMENT A ED AND CPR TRAINER. SO THOSE ARE THE MANNEQUINS AND DUMMIES THERE AS WELL AS THE FAKE A ED. OURS HAVE BEEN IN USE FOR ABOUT NINE YEARS AND SOME OF OUR GETTING PRE PRETTY BEAT UP THAT WE'RE SAVING THAT CPR DUMMY AND HE'S LOOKING LIKE HE'S BEEN THROUGH A ROUGH DAY. CAN'T SAVE HIM ANYMORE. NO, HE'S BEYOND SAVING. SO HAVING ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE AND THEN THAT REPLACEMENT A ED FOR A LIFEGUARD TRAINING THERE. AND ALSO WITH THE LIFEGUARD TRAINING WE'RE OF COURSE DOING OUR OWN LIFEGUARD TRAINING BUT WE'VE ALSO EXPANDED THAT TO NOW INCLUDE THE SEDONA MASTERS TEAM AND RACE PACE SWIM CLUB. SO WE'RE TRAINING SOME OF THEIR LIFEGUARDS THAT ARE USING THE POOL YEAR ROUND. THAT WAY THEY'RE ON THE SAME PROGRAM AS US RATHER THAN PREVIOUSLY THEY WERE FOLLOWING THE RED CROSS STANDARDS WHILE WE WERE FOLLOWING STAR GUARD STANDARDS. GETTING EVERYONE ON THE SAME PAGE MAKES IT A MUCH MORE SMOOTH PROCESS THERE AND EASIER FOR THEM INSTEAD OF HAVING TO BRING A CONTRACTED TRAINER IN TOO. SO THAT'S ADDITIONAL USE THAT WE'LL GET OUT OF THOSE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT TOO. PERFECT. AND THEN FOR DECISION PACKAGES, WAIT BEFORE YOU GO TO DECISION PAGE. YES, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. UH, I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT AT THE DOG PARK THAT PEOPLE ARE PARKING IS AN ISSUE AND I KNOW PARKING IS AN ISSUE THROUGHOUT THE PASTA GROUNDS PARK, BUT ALSO THAT UH, HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE SLEEPING THERE. HAVE YOU BEEN GETTING COMPLAINTS? YES. YES. AND THAT IS THROUGHOUT NOT JUST THE DOG PARK. UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE WORKED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON AND THEY HAVE DONE EXTRA PATROLS THROUGH THERE AND I BELIEVE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB GETTING SOME OF THOSE CAMPERS AND THAT TYPE OF CREW TO NOT STAY THERE OVERNIGHT. UM, BUT THEN YOU COME THROUGH AT 5:00 AM AND THEY'RE DRIVING RIGHT BACK IN THE MORNING AND THEY'LL HANG OUT FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET IN THE SAME LOCATION TOO. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT BOTH WAYS. SURE THERE ARE PROBABLY PEOPLE GETTING AWAY WITH CAMPING OVERNIGHT HERE AND THERE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO FIRST THING IN THE MORNING DRIVING IN AND SETTING UP CAMP FOR THE DAY TILL THE EVENING LIKE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO. SO IT DOES GO BOTH WAYS THERE TOO. DO YOU THINK IMPROVED SIGNAGE WOULD HELP? YES, THAT WOULD HELP. THE OTHER CHALLENGE THAT WE GET IS THERE'S A LOT OF GROUPS THAT ASK FOR DOG PARK ONLY SIGNAGE, PICKLEBALL, COURT ONLY, SIGNAGE HUB, RENTAL ONLY SIGNAGE, SKATE PARK ONLY SIGNAGE. AND THOSE ARE ALL REAL REQUESTS THAT I'VE GOTTEN MULTIPLE TIMES. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IF WE BREAK IT DOWN, WE ALREADY HAVE LIMITED PARKING IN THE PARK. IF WE BREAK ALL THOSE DOWN INTO, YOU CAN ONLY PARK IN THESE SPACES. IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE SKATE PARK, YOU CAN ONLY PARK HERE IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE DOG PARK, YOU'RE CUTTING OUT SO MUCH PARKING WHEN WE DO OUR EVENTS OR FOR THE HIKING OR EVERYONE THAT JUST COMES FOR GENERAL PARK USAGE, THAT IT WOULD CUT OUR PARKING IN HALF IF WE'RE LIMITING ALL THOSE SEPARATE GROUPS. SO IT'S, I KNOW THAT'S A CONCERN AND A CHALLENGE WITH PEOPLE, BUT THAT'S KIND OF OUR STRUGGLE AND DECISION MAKING THERE A LITTLE BIT WITH THE DOG PARK. WE DO HAVE SIGNAGE UP IN THE DOG PARK AREA THAT'S ONE HOUR PARKING ONLY. AND SO THAT HAS HELPED 'CAUSE IT GETS PEOPLE LIKE THE HIKERS AREN'T PARKING THE DOG PARK AS MUCH OR THEY'RE RISKING GETTING A TICKET. BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT. AND WOULD NO LOITERING HELP, DO YOU THINK? YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING THAT YEAH. TRIES TO EDUCATE PEOPLE. IT CERTAINLY COULD. UM, BUT PEOPLE, ACCORDING TO THE PARK RULES, THEY ARE ABLE TO COME AS SOON AS IT'S 5:00 AM AND STAY UNTIL 10:00 PM SO THAT'S PART OF THAT CHALLENGE. PEOPLE REALLY CAN COME AND HANG OUT IN THE PARK FOR THAT FULL TIME AS LONG AS THEY AREN'T SLEEPING OVERNIGHT. PARK RULES? YES. YEAH. IT USED TO SAY [05:50:01] SUNRISE TO SUNSET. UM, I THINK THAT WAS A LEGAL REASON WHY IT HAD TO CHANGE TO SPECIFIC HOURS. CORRECT. OR POLICE ENFORCEMENT. SOME SOME STILL SAY SUNRISES, SOME SAY IT'S, IT'S HARDER TO ENFORCE. OKAY. WHEN IT'S JUST THAT, 'CAUSE THEN THERE'S ALWAYS DEBATE. SO SET TIMES IS THE PREFERRED. SO I THINK POSSE GROUND AND SUNSET MIGHT SAY IT, BUT NOT ALL TRAILS AND EVERYTHING ELSE HAVE A EXACT TIME. WE DON'T HAVE NOT PUT IN THERE AN ESTABLISH TIME FOR RANGER STATION PARK FOR EXAMPLE. OKAY. SO THERE IS UM, SOME AMENDMENTS TO THE PARK RULES COMING TO COUNCIL IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO. WE'LL SEE. WE JUST STARTED WORKING ON THEM. YEAH. UM, AND ONE OPTION TO DO IS TO PUT PARK RULES OUTSIDE OF THE CODE. RIGHT NOW THEY ALL EXIST IN CITY CODE. UM, AND COUNCIL CAN DELEGATE SOME OF THAT AUTHORITY TO THE DEPARTMENT TO UPDATE AND CHANGE PARK RULES QUICKER THAN HAVING COUNCIL APPROVE EVERY SINGLE PARK RULE, WHICH IS HOW IT'S BEEN SET UP SO FAR. SO THAT'S SOMETHING, UM, WE MIGHT CONSIDER. OKAY. SO MAYBE YOU CAN COLLABORATE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE THINGS. DEFINITELY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, DEREK, IS THERE ANY PLAN TO INSTALL LIGHTING AT THE SOCCER FIELD AT PO GROUND? THAT IS ONE OF OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU, I BELIEVE TOMORROW. SO YES. GREAT. IT IS, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH IT IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PART, BUT IT IS, UM, VERY SHIELDED LIGHTING THAT FOCUSES JUST ON THE SOCCER FIELD AREA WITH ALMOST ZERO OUTSIDE GLOW, WHICH I KNOW IS A LOT OF THE PEOPLE'S CONCERN. UM, BUT YES, THAT IS ONE OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PROPOSALS. I GOT A SUDDEN FLURRY OF EMAILS FROM PEOPLE ASKING FOR THAT. OF COURSE MOST OF 'EM ARE THE SAME FAMILY, SAME LAST NAME, BUT, OH, ANYWAY. SEEMED LIKE A GOOD IDEA, PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME SAYING THAT TOMORROW WE'RE DOING THE DECISION PACKAGES, BUT WE ALSO ARE GONNA GO LINE BY LINE THROUGH THE CAP. YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO I'M GONNA ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE HUB UPGRADE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE. AND MY QUESTION IS ABOUT SOUND QUALITY. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A COMPLAINT THAT THE SOUND IS TERRIBLE IN THERE. I DON'T READ YOUR, UH, DECISION PACKAGES ADDRESSING THAT. WHAT'S YOUR CURRENT THOUGHT? IS IT IMPOSSIBLE? IS IS IT A FUTURE THING? IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE. IT WOULD TAKE SOME WORK WITH SOME LIKE ECHO CURTAINS AND SOME OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS IN THERE. AND THEN IF WE WANTED TO DO A PERMANENT SPEAKER SETUP IN THERE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY, IT'S BRING IN YOUR OWN PORTABLE SOUND SYSTEM OR OUR SPEAKERS IF IT'S OUR EVENT AND THEN PLAY IT. BUT YEAH, IT'S VERY, VERY ECHOY AND NOT SET UP TO BE A CONCERT SPACE THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED IN THERE. MODIFICATIONS LIKE THAT COULD BE MADE, BUT THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS UPGRADE PROCESS HERE. YEAH, IT'S NOT PART OF THE UPGRADE. IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN JUST CONCERTS. EVEN SPEAKING EVENTS IN THERE ARE JUST NOT THAT ABSOLUTELY USER FRIENDLY. SO DO YOU INTEND, IS THAT ON YOUR LIST TO BRING TO US AT SOME POINT? JUST NOT THIS NEXT YEAR? JOSH? YEAH, . CAN I JUMP IN? UM, I'M PRETTY SURE I'M GONNA DOUBLE CHECK REAL QUICK. PRETTY SURE THAT'S IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DECISION PACKAGES. OH. I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY'RE SPLIT THE WAY THEY ARE, BUT PRETTY SURE I SAW THAT IN THERE. I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TAKE A LOOK REAL FAST. OKAY. I WILL THEN ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. UH, IT'S ALSO, NO, I'LL ASK IT TOMORROW ABOUT THE FITNESS EQUIPMENT. JUST BE READY TO TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH REQUESTS AND STUFF THAT YOU'VE GOT. I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY ACTIVITY IN GRAY BACK PARK AND SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT WHY YOU WOULD WANNA THROW, UH, FITNESS EQUIPMENT IN THERE AND THEN SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME COURAGE. IT COULD BE I UNDERSTAND , I, YOU KNOW. YEAH, YEAH. WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT MORE ABOUT THAT TOMORROW. UH, AND THEN ON THE CREEK SIDEWALK, I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT THE CONTENT NOW, BUT I DID WANNA MENTION THAT ON THE APRIL 18TH NAMAH MEETING THAT I ATTENDED, SASHA STORZ AND REBECCA DAVIDSON FROM THE NATIONAL FOREST FOUNDATION WERE THERE AND PRESENTED AND THEY MIGHT BE A GRANT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE WORKING WITH, TALKING WITH ON THE CREEK SIDEWALK. OKAY. SO SOMEONE SHOULD BE, UH, UH, REACHING OUT TO THEM. AND THEN MY FINAL QUESTION WAS, YOU'VE GOT SOME SHADE AT THE POSSE GROUNDS, WHERE IN THE BUDGET OR NOT IN THE BUDGET IS, UH, SHADE WATER, REST, UH, ON THE SUVS? IS THAT ANYWHERE IN THE CAPITAL PROGRAM FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR NOT? UM, LET'S SEE. I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME OF THAT IN OPERATIONAL. OKAY. SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT TOMORROW WHEN WE GET TO PUBLIC WORKS. UM, IT SHOULD BE IN THERE. AND THEN BACK TO THE OTHER QUESTION BEFORE IT'S IN ONE TIME COSTS IN PUBLIC WORKS, WHEN WE GET TO THEIR SECTION, THEY'VE GOT WHAT'S LABELED AS AB UPGRADES, PROJECTORS, SCREENS, AUDIO SUPPORT AND KITCHEN UPGRADES. SO THAT ALL LOOKS [05:55:01] LIKE IT'S THE HUB. YES. THAT'S PART OF IT. OKAY. YES. WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO MIGHT SOUND LIKE SOUND BAFFLING THOUGH, , RIGHT. WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO WILL ADD SOME OF THAT. IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE IT LIKE THE PERFECT SPEAKING AND CONCERT EXPERIENCE LIKE YOU'RE ASKING A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE PROJECTOR SCREEN, A PROJECTOR, MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT MORE FITTING FOR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY KATHY. BRIAN, JUST QUICKLY, WHEN'S THE NEXT TIME PARKS AND REC COMES IN FRONT OF COUNSEL JUST FOR A PERIODIC UPDATE OR IS THERE A TIME THAT THAT'S SCHEDULED? I DO NOT HAVE A TIME, BUT HAPPY TO COME GIVE AN UPDATE ANYTIME. I'M NOT ASKING FOR THAT NECESSARILY THEN. SO ON UH, P AND R ONE, UH, YOU REFERENCED 20 FISCAL 25 ACCOMPLISHMENT OF THE NUMBER OF SUMMER CAMPS HELD AND SO FORTH. AND I BRING THAT UP ONLY BECAUSE IN OUR SESSION LAST WEDNESDAY WITH JIM ROUNDS TALKING ABOUT, UM, NEEDS OF THE WORKFORCE AND WHATNOT, CHILDCARE WAS, UH, ONE OF THE SUBJECTS THAT HE BROUGHT UP. AND WHILE I DON'T WISH TO SEE THE CITY BECOME A DAYCARE PROVIDER DIRECTLY, YOU KNOW, THE SUMMER CAMPS THAT WE PROVIDE ARE A, A PSEUDO SUBSTITUTE FOR THAT. AND SO THE, UH, THE SEED I WANNA PLANT FOR US TO AT LEAST BE THINKING ABOUT IS, IS FOR WHAT WE ALREADY ARE PROVIDING IN THE FORM OF ORGANIZING THESE CAMPS. CAN WE BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, EXTENDED DAY FOR THOSE SO THAT THEY REALLY CAN FUNCTION AS AN ALL DAY CAMP EXPERIENCE SO THAT OUR WORKERS CAN MORE READILY WORK, UH, DURING THE SUMMER. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO JUST PUT IN THERE. AND OTHERWISE I HEAR RAVE REVIEWS ABOUT PARKS AND REC STAFF. AWESOME. THANK YOU. EVERYWHERE I GO AROUND TOWN. SO KUDOS TO YOU AND THE TEAM. THANK YOU. WITH THE SUMMER CAMP PORTION, WE HAVE NOT DONE, SO WE BASICALLY FOR THIS SUMMER HAVE TWO SUMMER CAMPS A WEEK. SO THERE'S ONE IN THE MORNING, ONE IN THE AFTERNOON TO SOMEWHAT FUNCTION AS THAT. IT WON'T BE LIKE A FULL, WON'T COVER SOMEONE'S FULL DAY, BUT SOMEONE LIKE THAT. AND WE'RE COVERING TOPICS FROM THEATER TO ART TO SPORTS TO PICKLEBALL TO EVERYTHING. SO EVERYONE GETS A WIDE ARRAY OF THINGS. AND THERE'S A WIDE ARRAY OF COSTS FOR THAT TOO THAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP DOWN LOW. BUT SOME OF THOSE RANGE FROM MOUNTAIN BIKE CAMPS, A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE TO THEATER CAMPS FREE TO ATTEND. SO MAKING THAT WORK FOR EVERYONE. WE ALSO HAVEN'T WANTED TO COMPETE WITH WEST SEDONA SCHOOL IN DOING A SUMMER CAMP BECAUSE THEY DO A FULL DAYCARE TYPE SITUATION IN THE SUMMER THAT THEY DO THROUGH A GRANT FUNDED PROGRAM FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. SO WE HAVEN'T WANTED TO COMPETE WITH THEM AND TAKE AWAY WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING ON OUR END AND OFFERING LIKE A YOUTH CAMP. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING IF IT'S A NEED OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE COULD LOOK AT OFFERING IN THE FUTURE. OKAY. AND YOU COULD LOOK AT OTHER PERIODS WHEN SCHOOL IS NOT IN SESSION, FALL BREAK, SPRING BREAK, ET CETERA. NOT EVERYBODY GETS TO TRAVEL DURING THOSE TIME PERIODS. AND THE CHARTER SCHOOL IS ALSO PARTICIPATING IN PROVIDING, UH, CAMP ACTIVITIES. UM, AND IT'S NOT LIMITED TO THE STUDENTS OF THE CHARTER SCHOOL, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE ALSO PARTICIPATING. OKAY. OR PROVIDING, I SHOULD SAY. THANK YOU, MELISSA. ANYTHING? OKAY. ONE ADDITIONAL MAYOR IF I COULD REAL QUICK. CAN I, CAN I GO? OH YEAH, SORRY. YOU GO. THANK YOU. YEP. THANK YOU. UH, QUESTION ON THE A ED AND CABINET POSSE GROUNDS. IS ONE GONNA DO IT? WE'D LOVE MORE THAN THAT ONE WILL DO IT IN, IN THAT POSSE GROUNDS PARK AREA, BUT I WOULD, BECAUSE TO RUN I'VE ACT IN MY LIFETIME, I'VE HAD TWO SAVES WITH AN A ED. OKAY. AND WE ALMOST HAD AN ISSUE HERE NOT TOO LONG AGO ALMOST. AND IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, NEARBY AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO, BECAUSE NOTHING HURTS MORE THAN HAVING TO RUN TO GET THE AED AND BE SO OUTTA BREATH. YOU CAN'T RUN BACK OR NEED IT YOURSELF OR NEED IT YOURSELF OR YOU CAN'T DO AN A ED YOURSELF. SO, YOU KNOW, UH, AND I KNOW THERE'S A COURSE THAT I KNOW THAT THERE'S A, A RE A RECERTIFICATION ON IT, BUT I'LL TAKE ONE LIFE THAT WE COULD SAVE. ABSOLUTELY. AND YOU, YOU MENTIONED PICKLEBALL, TENNIS, BASKETBALL, YOU GET SOMEBODY THAT'S THE MAYBE THE, UH, AT THE AGE WHERE THEY WOULD NEED IT. LET'S PUT IF YOU COULD DO SOMETHING MORE. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT TOMORROW. ABSOLUTELY AGREE. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, PETE? YEAH, SORRY JOSH, UH, ON YOUR, UH, PERFORMANCE INDICATORS, PR THREE, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR ORGANIZED SPORTS PROGRAM OFFERED IS NOT INCREASING THIS NEXT YEAR. IS THAT STAFFING ISSUE AN INTEREST ISSUE? A CREATIVE IDEA ISSUE? WHY IS THAT STAGNATING? WHICH ONE WAS THAT READING FOR? IT'S THE WHAT? OH YES. YEP. SO THE ORGANIZED SPORTS PROGRAMS [06:00:01] OFFERED SPORTS PROGRAMS. YEP. UM, YEAH, FROM THAT WE'RE REALLY JUST KIND OF MEETING THE NEEDS OF THOSE ORGANIZED SPORTS PROGRAMS. I BELIEVE WE HAVE. SO ONE DID GO AWAY, WHICH WAS BEST AND IT WAS LIKE OUR PRESCHOOL SPORTS PROGRAM THAT WE'VE TAKEN IN-HOUSE INSTEAD OF THAT EXTERIOR ONE. AND WE ARE ADDING YOUTH BASEBALL THAT WILL BE THROUGH, ITS SHOWTIME SPORTS, SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE REALLY THROUGH US, BUT WE WORKED WITH SHOWTIME SPORTS TO COME AND OFFER A YOUTH BASEBALL PROGRAM THAT THEY'RE GONNA START IN THE FALL HERE. UM, AND THE SAME WITH A YSO AND SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS, THEY ARE SEPARATE THAT RUN THE SPORTS PROGRAM HERE AND ARE MEETING THAT SOCCER NEED OR MEETING THAT BASEBALL NEED THAT THERE HASN'T REALLY BEEN A BIG NEED FOR ADDITIONAL ONES THAT PEOPLE HAVE ASKED FOR. UM, ANOTHER ONE WAS FLAG FOOTBALL, THAT PEOPLE WERE LIKE, WE SHOULD HAVE A FLAG FOOTBALL LEAGUE. WE TRIED IT HERE, DIDN'T GET ENOUGH TEAMS. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE HAVE TWO TEAMS THAT ARE PLAYING AND PRACTICING HERE AND THEN PLAYING IN COTTONWOODS LEAGUE. SO IT'S RESIDENTS OF SEDONA PLAY AND PRACTICE HERE, THEN TRAVEL TO COTTONWOOD FOR THE GAMES. AND IT'S MEETING THOSE FEW FAMILIES NEEDS THAT WE'RE KIND OF SEEKING THAT ACTIVITY. GREAT. THANK YOU. HOW DO YOU DO THAT? ALL THAT TOGETHER? HOW DO YOU, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU, YOU PULL IT ALL TOGETHER NICELY. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU JOSH. THANK YOU. I THINK WE'RE ON TO LAURA NEXT. THANK YOU. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M LAUREN BROWN, THE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. SO THE NAME OF MY GAME THIS YEAR WAS, UH, REALLY REALLOCATING THE BUDGET THAT I HAD. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT I HAVE A FLAT BUDGET. UM, THAT WAS REALLY INTENTIONAL FROM ME. UH, AND THE, UH, INCREASES ARE ONLY COMING FROM THE, UM, ANY PROPOSED, UH, SALARY INCREASES, UH, AS PART OF JUST THE YEARLY SALARY INCREASES THAT WE GIVE ON MERIT AND WHATEVER COMES FROM THE SALARY STUDY. UH, THIS WAS BECAUSE AS A, AS A NEW DEPARTMENT, UM, I KIND OF, I'VE BEEN REFINING EACH YEAR GETTING A LITTLE BIT BETTER AT KIND OF PREDICTING, OKAY, THIS MUCH, UM, IN THIS LINE ITEM AND THIS MUCH IN THIS LINE ITEM AND THEN SAYING, OH, WE KINDA NEEDED A LITTLE BIT HERE AND A LITTLE BIT LESS THERE. UM, BUT IN GENERAL, EVERYTHING WAS, UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE TOURISM PROGRAM WAS ALL ABOUT REALLOCATION. UH, THE A OT CO-OP WAS JUST ONE EXAMPLE, UM, OF THIS, UH, LAST YEAR I HAD MORE MONEY IN ADVERTISING VERSUS MARKETING AND IN REALITY, UM, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE EQUAL, BUT THAT KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHAT WE APPLY FOR IN THE A OT CO-OP EACH YEAR. SO JUST TRYING TO TAKE A BEST GUESS AT THAT. BUT THAT WAS JUST ONE EXAMPLE. SO LET'S SEE HERE. CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT, OH, YOU'RE ALREADY ON IT. GREAT . UM, AND THEN ON THE COMMUNICATIONS AND ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION SIDE, THE BUDGET REMAINS THE SAME, UM, EXCEPT FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE COMMUNITY SURVEY, THAT'S $20,000 THAT WAS REMOVED. SINCE WE DO THAT, WE DON'T DO THAT EVERY YEAR. WE DO THAT EITHER EVERY OTHER YEAR OR ONCE EVERY THREE YEARS, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CITY MANAGER, UM, DEEMS TO BE USEFUL. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE THERE. SO HERE'S JUST A SLIDE OF SOME OF THE MAIN EXPENDITURES IN MY DEPARTMENT. I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT HELPFUL. UM, WE HAVE 350,000 PLANNED IN DESTINATION MARKETING COSTS. THAT'S THE SAME AS IT IS THIS YEAR. WE HAVE 105,600 IN OTHER ADVERTISING COSTS. SO THAT'S THINGS LIKE, UM, THE A OT CO-OP, ANY ADVERTISING OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE IN THAT. THAT'S THE VIDEOS ON SEDONA NOW AND OTHER KINDS OF THINGS LIKE THAT. WE, WE HAVE 341,400 IN MARKETING. SO WHAT THAT, UH, THE MAIN EXPENDITURES AND THAT ARE THE MARKETING AGENCY STRATEGY AND THE CREATIVE CREATION COSTS THAT GO WITH OUR MARKETING CAMPAIGNS. UM, TRANSIT MARKETING, UM, ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IS IN TRANSIT MARKETING. UM, THE A OT CO-OP, UH, MARKETING ITEMS ARE IN THERE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. THEN WE HAVE, UH, 350,000 FOR THE VISITOR CENTER. AS [06:05:01] WE ALL KNOW, IT'S ACTUALLY 3 51, BUT, UM, WHEN I MADE THE BUDGET, IT WAS 350, $80,000 FOR MEDIA AND TOURISM INDUSTRY HOSTING AND TRADE SHOW COSTS. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE CALL THE TRAVEL TRADE INDUSTRY. I INTENTIONALLY LAST YEAR, UM, MADE A FUND IN OUR BUDGET SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT. UM, SO, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT I COULD BREAK THAT OUT FOR FOLKS, UM, IN CASE WE GOT ASKED ABOUT THAT. BUT THAT'S THE, THE TRADE SHOWS THAT WE GO TO. AND IT'S WHEN, UM, TRAVELING, UH, EITHER TRAVEL AGENTS OR MEDIA COME IN TOWN AND WE HOST THEM AND WE PAY FOR A PORTION OF THEIR HOTEL OR THEIR ACTIVITIES OR THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S WHERE THEIR MONEY COMES FROM. WE'VE GOT $60,000 IN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACTS FOR THE TOURISM PROGRAM. UM, SO WHEN WE HAVE MAYBE A SPECIAL PROJECT ON, UM, WHEN WE CRUNCHED DATA FROM THAT LAST MEETING WHEN WE SAID, HEY, WE'VE GOT THIS STORY THAT WE THINK THAT WE THINK WE'RE TRYING TO TELL, HOW DO WE, UM, GET THE DATA TO SUPPORT THAT? OR HOW DO WE CRUNCH THE DATA AND THEN TELL THE STORY? WE RELY ON, UM, UM, OUTSIDE HELP FOR THAT. WE'VE GOT 75,000 PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACTS FOR THE COMMUNICATIONS PROGRAM. THAT'S BEEN THE SAME THAT IT'S BEEN FOR PROBABLY THREE YEARS NOW. UM, AND THEN $17,900 FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LOCAL ORGANIZATION SUPPORT. SO THAT'S BEEN THE SAME AS WHEN MOLLY HAD THE PROGRAM. UM, AND THAT'S REALLY HELPING TO FUND OUR, UM, PARTNERS LIKE, UM, VV RIO, ZA LOCALE, E KONA, UM, ON SOME OF THEIR INITIATIVES THAT TOUCH, UM, SEDONA BUSINESSES SPECIFICALLY. AND ON THE, UM, ONE TIME, AS CHUCK MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT 10,000 IN THERE FOR THE BROADBAND CONSULTANT. THAT'S WHAT HE ASKED FOR, UM, FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR. AND THEN THE LAST THING I'LL SHARE, I THINK THAT'S IT ON MY SLIDES. YEAH. UM, THE LAST THING I'LL SHARE IS JUST WHAT ANNETTE SAID ABOUT KEEGAN'S POSITION THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON UPDATING HER JOB DESCRIPTION. I WAS ACTUALLY EMAILING RUSS WHILE ANNETTE SAID THAT. SO GOOD TIMING. UM, AND THAT'S TO INCLUDE, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT HER JOB DESCRIPTION INCLUDES BEING A MAIN POINT OF CONTACT FOR EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS THAT ARE COMING IN TO ALL OF OUR INBOXES. UM, AND SHE CAN HELP GUIDE THEM THROUGH THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS, UM, MAYBE TAKE SOME OF THE WORKLOAD OFF OF, UM, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES, UH, THEY'RE EMAILING FIVE, SIX STAFF MEMBERS AND WE DON'T KNOW. AND THEN WE'RE ALL SENDING RESPONSES BACK. WE'RE ALL TAKING TIME TO DO THAT. UM, WE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO THE OTHER PERSON UNLESS WE JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A, A GREAT WAY TO REDUCE SOME, UM, REDUNDANCY THERE. BUT, UH, THIS IS, UM, SHE'S EXCITED ABOUT THE, YEAH, SHE'S HERE. UH, SHE'S EXCITED ABOUT IT AND, UH, I THINK IT'LL BE A GREAT, A GREAT WAY TO, UM, CONNECT SOME MORE DOTS FOR RESIDENTS AND, AND INCLUDE OUR, OR UM, IMPROVE OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE, UM, ESPECIALLY ON THIS. AND IF I COULD ADD COUNSEL, THIS IS A RESOURCE FOR YOU AS WELL. WHEN CONSTITUENTS ARE REACHING OUT TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND YOU DON'T QUITE KNOW WHERE TO SEND THEM FOR HELP WITH DEALING WITH WHATEVER ISSUE AT THE CITY, UM, THE INTENT WOULD BE THAT YOU COULD FORWARD THAT TO KEEGAN AND SHE'LL HELP THOSE PEOPLE NAVIGATE WHATEVER DEPARTMENT PROCESS, UM, COMPLAINT, WHATEVER THEY'RE HAVING. UM, AND WE'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER, OR I'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE SINCE I GOT HERE LAST YEAR THAT IT SURE WOULD BE GREAT IF WE HAD AN OMBUDSMAN TYPE POSITION AT THE CITY FOR THIS, UM, CONSTITUENT SERVICE SORT OF, UM, ACTIVITY. SO I THINK IT'LL BE REALLY POSITIVE. AND, UM, I BELIEVE THE BUDGET WORK GROUP ALSO BROUGHT THIS UP ABOUT, UM, ABOUT THAT. AND WE'VE ALSO HEARD THAT FEEDBACK FROM THE FOLKS IN THE CITIZENS ACADEMY AS WELL, THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING. AND UM, SO I'M REALLY EXCITED THAT KEEGAN'S WILLING TO TAKE THAT ON AND THANK YOU LAUREN. OKAY. BRIAN, THANK YOU MAYOR. LAUREN, I HOPE THAT YOU REALLY DON'T WANNA BE THE DMMO FOR THE STATE. SO I, UM, YEAH, IT'S AN, THAT'S AN INTERESTING WORDING. UM, I, I THINK THAT THEY WERE TRYING, YEAH, WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT. IT'S LIKE, CONGRATULATIONS ANDREW, YOUR JOB JUST GOT . THIS IS OUR SECOND GRAMMAR ISSUE OF THE DAY, , BUT YOU CAN HANDLE IT. NO PROBLEM. OKAY, SO I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION AND ONE, WELL, TWO QUESTIONS. SO ON CTEI, PAGE THREE UNDER FY 26 OBJECTIVES, YOU'VE GOT ONBOARD ONE COORDINATOR, BUT I DON'T [06:10:01] SEE ANY PLANNED HEAD HEADCOUNT CHANGES ON THIS PAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO CAN YOU RECONCILE THAT? OKAY. SO, UM, I JUST GOT THERE AND WHERE IS IT? CITY PAGE THREE. UNDER YOUR FY 26 OBJECTIVES, BULLET NUMBER FOUR SAYS ONBOARD ONE COORDINATOR. UM, SO WE'LL BE HAVING, UH, SINCE WE ARE HIRING THE COORDINATOR SO LATE, UM, ONE OF MY OBJECTIVES IN FISCAL YEAR 26 IS TO ONBOARD THAT COORDINATOR STARTING. SO, SO THAT ROLE IS PART OF THE SEVEN THAT'S IN FY 25 RIGHT NOW. YES. SORRY, THAT WAS CONFUSING. WE WE'RE JUST, HI, WE'RE DOING INTERVIEWS NEXT WEEK, NEXT WEEK. SO I ASSUME THE ONBOARDING WOULD BE HAPPENING IN FISCAL YEAR 26TH. OKAY. AND THEN ONE OTHER QUESTION, COMMENT, THOUGHT, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. UH, THIS MORNING BARBARA WALKED THROUGH KIND OF A MACRO ECONOMIC LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE US AND OBVIOUSLY THE REGIME IN WASHINGTON'S CREATING TREMENDOUS CHAOS AND UNCERTAINTY AND SO ON. PERSONALLY, I'M NOT ALL THAT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT HAVING A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR CITY, UH, JUST GIVEN THE DYNAMICS OF WHO COMES HERE AND SO FORTH. BUT, UM, IS THERE ANY THOUGHT THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO HAVING ANY KIND OF A CONTINGENCY TO JUICE SOME ADVERTISING A LITTLE BIT MORE SAY IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR? IF IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES ARE STARTING TO SUFFER? UM, YEAH, I'D ACTUALLY LOVE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION FROM A COUNCIL LEVEL. IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WANTED ME TO THINK ABOUT OR PLAN FOR, THEN I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT. I, SHORT OF THAT, ANDREW AND I HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS. IF IT ENDS UP BEING SOMETHING LIKE COVID WHERE, UM, CERTAIN, CERTAIN AUDIENCES DROP OFF AND THEN CERTAIN AUDIENCES COME MORE AND IT'S THIS CRAZY UNPREDICTABLE ENVIRONMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF WATCHING THAT. I DON'T WANNA BE TOO PREDICTIVE WITH IT AND YES. YET I DON'T WANNA BE SO REACTIVE THAT, THAT WE GET BEHIND THE BALL. UM, WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS IF I DIDN'T HAVE A CONTIN CONTINGENCY, UH, THEN COMING TO YOU REALLY QUICKLY, SO IF, UM, I WOULD, SO FOR EXAMPLE, EVEN WITH THE SUMMER CAMPAIGN WITH OUR, SOME OF OUR BUSINESSES ARE VERY NERVOUS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WERE SEEING APRIL NUMBERS NOT BE AS STRONG AS THEY WANTED TO BE. IF I WAS CONTINUING TO SEE THAT, THEN IN JUNE I WOULD WANNA COME TO YOU AND SAY, HEY, IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD ADD SOME MORE MONEY TO THE SUMMER MARKETING CAMPAIGN IN THESE AREAS WITH THIS INTENDED, UM, OUTCOME FROM IT? SO THAT WAS MY PLAN. UM, BUT IF WE'D RATHER HAVE A CONTINGENCY, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE ME FEEL BETTER. UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I DON'T COME TO YOU TO ASK YOU FOR PERMISSION ON HOW TO USE IT, BUT TO AT LEAST HAVE THAT CARVED OUT AND KNOW THAT THAT WAS THERE, I'M FINE TO GO THAT THAT ROUTE TOO. I ASSUME IF YOU WERE TO COME ASKING FOR THE USE OF A CONTINGENCY, IT WOULDN'T BE BASED ON WHAT THE BUSINESSES IN TOWN ARE TELLING YOU, BUT IT WOULD BE BASED ON THE DATA THAT WE'RE SEEING FROM THE CAMPAIGNS THAT WE'RE RUNNING. CORRECT. WHICH IS IT'S, UH, AS MUCH AS I COULD BECAUSE THE SALES AND BED TAX REPORT IS DELAYED BY TWO MONTHS, 45 DAYS AT THE VERY BEST. YEAH. AND IT'S MORE LIKE 60 DAYS. YEAH. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT A CAMPAIGN, IF I STARTED IN MAY, I MIGHT NOT HAVE THE RESULTS ON THAT SALES AND BED TAX UNTIL YEAH. AUGUST, WHICH IS WHEN WE'RE GONNA END THE CAMPAIGN, RIGHT? SO IT GETS REALLY HARD. BUT WHAT WOULD BE INTERESTING IS, IS A CONVERSATION WITH CHERYL BARON AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, CAN WE GET A SAMPLING OF BUSINESSES ANONYMIZED OR NOT THAT SHARE DATA EVERY MONTH? AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A CONSISTENT VIEW OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH BUSINESSES THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE REGULARLY PROMOTING THEIR BUSINESS PROPERLY, RUNNING IT PROPERLY, AND FOR WHICH YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER TIMEFRAME ON INSIGHT INTO WHAT'S GOING ON. HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT FURTHER OFFLINE. LEE, WE, THIS HAS BEEN, I DON'T KNOW, WE'VE PROBABLY BROUGHT BROUGHT THIS UP UP FOR THE LAST 18 MONTHS. WE'VE PROBABLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FROM A COUNCIL LEVEL, BUT NOTHING MOTIVATES SOMETHING LIKE THAT. LIKE A DOWN ECONOMY WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE SEEKING CHANGE, SO MAYBE THAT COULD MM-HMM . UM, BE THE STRAW THAT BROKE THAT BACK. OKAY. AND THEN AT THE RISK OF COUNSELOR DUNN CHOKING THE LIFE OUT OF ME RIGHT NOW, , UM, WE HAD AN EXTENSIVE TALK ABOUT CONTINGENCIES SET UP IN THE BUDGET. SO IF, I THINK I HEARD RIGHT AFTER ALL OF OUR MM-HMM . QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT, [06:15:01] WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE CONTINGENCIES THAT WOULD ADD UP TO OVER $4 MILLION. THOSE COULD BE TAPPED FOR THIS PURPOSE, RIGHT? YES. AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE OPERATING CONTINGENCIES AS WELL, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHERE THIS WOULD COME OUT OF. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU, MIR. OH, PERFECT. SEGUE INTO WHAT I WANNA TALK ABOUT. I'M THINKING WORST CASE SCENARIO MM-HMM . WE'VE, WE DON'T HAVE THE SPRING NUMBERS 'CAUSE IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT SPRING JUST YOU'S ENDING TODAY, I GUESS A COUPLE WEEKS. BUT IF WE GOT THE NUMBERS FOR THE SUMMER AND THEY'RE REALLY DOWN OR WE START LOOKING AT THE, AT THE BOOKINGS, AND IT'S AN INDICATOR, AND I KNOW PATTERNS HAVE CHANGED RECENTLY ABOUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE BOOKING, BUT FOR ME, THE SUMMER CAMPAIGN MIGHT BE OVER. WE MIGHT NEED TO DO A FALL CAMPAIGN. UH, I SAID I DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS THIS MORNING, I DON'T KNOW IF WE ACTUALLY TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHO OUR TOURISTS ARE. WE, WE NOW CAN MEASURE THEY'VE SEEN AN AD AND THEN THEY ARRIVE HERE. BUT JUST IN GENERAL, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL, RIGHT? INCLUDING CANADA. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CANADIAN, THIS IS JUST TOTALLY ANECDOTAL, BUT I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CANADIAN WHO SPEND THE WINTER HERE. THEN THE STATE SAYS THAT THEIR BUDGET IS CONTRACTING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING REVENUE. AND IT'S FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, BUT IT'S LIKE $600 MILLION. IT'S NOT IN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT NOTHING. SOME OF THAT IS FROM TOURISM. SO THEY'RE SAYING THAT CANADIAN VISITATION IS DOWN BY 70%. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS FOR SEDONA, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANNA COME TO THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW FOR VARIOUS AND SUNDRY REASONS. SO IF WE UNDERSTOOD WHERE OUR VISITORS ARE COMING FROM A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND WE MIGHT NEED THE HELP OF OUR, OF THE, UH, CHAMBER TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS, I THINK IT WOULD HELP INFORM US OF HOW NERVOUS WE SHOULD BE ABOUT THE FORECAST FOR TOURISM, WHICH DIRECTLY RELATED TO OUR SALES TAX AND BED TAX, BASICALLY OUR REVENUE FOR THE CITY. YEAH. UM, SO I'M GONNA LET ANDREW GROSSMAN OUR TOURISM MANAGER SPEAK ON THIS. UM, WE, IN THE QUICK, UH, IN THE TIME THAT WE TALKED, UM, THIS MORNING I HAD HIM DO A LITTLE BIT RES OF RESEARCH ON OUR INTERNATIONAL VISITATION. UM, OUR BIGGEST VISITOR IS GOING TO BE, UM, THE CANADIAN VISITOR. UH, AND SO HE'S GOT SOME INFORMATION ON THAT. GREAT. THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. UM, AS MUCH AS LAUREN AND I SAT DOWN WITH THIS TODAY, I DIDN'T JUST START THINKING ABOUT THIS TODAY. I KNOW TO HONEST WITH YOU, THIS HAS BEEN A BIG PART OF WHAT I'VE BEEN SPENDING MY DAY ON, IS JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT, KIND OF DIVE INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, BUT, UM, SOME OF MY TOUR TOURISM RESEARCH FRIENDS, UM, ONE OF THEM IS ONE OF THE CONSULTANTS THAT WE HAVE FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT LAUREN MENTIONED THAT'S HELPING US GET KIND OF DEEPER, DEEPER INTO THE RESEARCH THAT WE'RE DOING. UM, SORT OF WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THIS IS FEELING A LITTLE COVID ESQUE. IT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT MARK TWAIN QUOTE OF, YOU KNOW, HISTORY DOESN'T REPEAT ITSELF, BUT IT OFTEN RHYMES. AND WHAT I'M HEARING, IT'S SIMILAR IN TERMS OF UNCERTAINTY AND CHANGING TRAVEL PATTERNS, RIGHT? UM, SO JUST 'CAUSE ONE THING CHANGES DOESN'T MEAN THAT ANYTHING ELSE DIDN'T CHANGE, RIGHT? SO, UM, AND IN ADDITION TO JOINING THE A OT MISSION IN EUROPE LAST MONTH, UM, I'VE ALSO BEEN CONNECTING WITH KIND OF NATIONAL PEERS, NATIONAL AGENCIES, JUST TRYING TO GET DEEPER INTO THIS CONCEPT. I MEAN, I THINK THAT KIND OF THE, THE, THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND THEN I'VE GOT MORE, BUT WOULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, INBOUND VISITATION TO THE US IS DOWN ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT THERE ARE SIGNS THAT DOMESTIC VISITATION IS CHANGING AS WELL. UM, BUT IF YOU GET INTO THIS, SO AS FAR AS INTERNATIONAL DATA, UNFORTUNATELY SEDONA, LIKE MANY OTHER RURAL DESTINATIONS, DOES NOT HAVE VERY STRONG INTERNATIONAL DATA. UM, THE REASON WHY IS THAT WE DON'T, WE'RE TWO HOURS FROM AN INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. UM, WE'RE JUST A SMALL COMMUNITY. WE DON'T TYPICALLY PAY FOR THE TYPES OF REPORTS THAT A PHOENIX WOULD PAY FOR TO GET THESE ROBUST NUMBERS, BUT WE ALSO LACK THE ROBUST DATA SETS THAT ARE UTILIZED TO MAKE THOSE STRUCTURED REPORTS. UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT PHOENIX REAL QUICK. UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO FEEL COMFORTABLE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT, UM, WITH THIS STUDY THAT CAME OUT IN TWO TH UH, 20 23, 40 3% OF INTERNATIONAL VISITORS TO PHOENIX WERE CANADIAN, FOLLOWED BY 26% MEXICO. NOW I KNOW THAT SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL ARIZONA OVER INDEXES COMPARED TO US OR WE UNDER INDEX IN MEXICO. SO I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE SAYING THAT SOMETHING AKIN [06:20:01] TO 50% OF OUR INTERNATIONAL VISITORS ARE CANADIAN. UM, AND THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, ME LOOKING AT THIS WITHOUT ANY OTHER PROOF POINT, LOOKING AT THE DATA, I FEEL COMFORTABLE KINDA THAT NUMBER. AND THEN I DID CONNECT WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT LODGING PROPERTIES THIS WEEK ANONYMOUSLY JUST TO SAY, HEY, WHAT ARE YOU FEELING? KIND OF TRYING TO DIG INTO YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS COUNSELOR FOLTZ. UM, AND OBVIOUSLY EVERY LODGING PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT. WE WOULD HAVE TO SURVEY THEM ALL. THAT WOULD BE A PRIMARY RESEARCH PROJECT THAT WE WOULD'VE TO UNDERTAKE. AGAIN, PROBABLY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE LODGING COUNCIL. BUT, UM, A RANGE THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING IS THAT IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN MAYBE FIVE TO 15% OF TOTAL OVERNIGHT STAYS ARE INTERNATIONAL. UM, WHICH AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE RANGE THAT I, I GUESS FEEL, FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING TODAY. UM, BUT WE KNOW THAT, UM, THEY'RE SPENDING MORE, RIGHT? THEY'RE STAYING LONGER. SO I WOULDN'T CORRELATE REVENUE DIRECTLY TO OVERNIGHT. UM, SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT, THAT THAT TOTAL PERCENT OF REVENUE IS ACTUALLY RATHER HIGHER AND THEN WITHIN THAT 50% IS WHAT WE COULD MAYBE ATTRIBUTE TO CANADA ALONE. UM, SO THEN KIND OF INTO THE MACRO OF THIS, JUST WANNA SHARE I GUESS SOME NEGATIVE NEWS FROM THIS WEEK IS THAT, UM, THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION REMOVED SEVERAL OF THE MEMBERS FROM BRAND USA, UM, BOARD, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL DMO. UM, IT'S THE ONE THAT'S REALLY IN CHARGE OF MONITORING AND KIND OF MANAGING INBOUND VISITATION. SO WE HAVE KIND OF CHANGES IN LEADERSHIP THAT ARE UNDERWAY THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FILLED, UM, AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL. SO THAT'S A PRETTY NEGATIVE UPDATE FROM FROM THIS WEEK. UM, JUMPING INTO THE CANADA MARKET, AND I'M GONNA GIVING YOU NATIONAL NUMBERS HERE, AND I WILL SAY THAT WHEN I'VE TALKED TO FOLKS, I THINK ARIZONA WILL FARE BETTER THAN AREAS THAT ARE ON THE CANADIAN BORDER BECAUSE THEIR ECOSYSTEMS AND CLIMATE ARE THE SAME. SO IF YOU'RE GONNA, IT MIGHT BE YOU'D GO FROM TORONTO DOWN SOUTH, RIGHT? UM, AND THEN COME INTO THE US IF YOUR CLIMATE AND ENVIRONMENT AND SORT OF EXPERIENCE IS SIMILAR, SO ESSENTIALLY ON THE BORDER, I THINK THOSE WILL FARE WORSE. THERE'S NO SEDONA IN CANADA, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T JUST NOT HAVE THAT, RIGHT? SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN I'M HEARING THAT THAT'S A TREND. I'D HAVE NOTHING TO SUPPORT THAT OTHER THAN LOGIC AT THIS POINT. UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT TOURISM ECONOMICS, UH, BETWEEN APRIL AND SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR, THEY'RE 24% DOWN IN AIR, AIR TRAVEL. SO THEY'VE SAW BASICALLY A QUARTER OF THE MARKETS DISAPPEARED, UM, OVER THE LAST TWO MONTHS FROM, FROM CANADA, FROM A A DRIVE MARKET, WHICH AGAIN, IS NOT GONNA TYPICALLY GET TO US, BUT DRIVE MARKETS AROUND THE SAME AMOUNT OF A QUARTER. SO A QUARTER OF THE CANADIAN MARKET INTO THE US HAS VANISHED. UM, AT THE MOMENT, UH, LONGWOODS, WHICH DOES SURVEY WORK, UH, THEY SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, 60% OF CANADIANS, UM, WANT TO TRAVEL LESS TO THE US IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. 36% OF THEM HAD PLANNED TO TRAVEL, BUT CANCELED THOSE PLANS. I HAVE HEARD SIMILAR COMMENTS FROM HOTELS. UM, SOME TOUR OPERATORS THAT THEY WERE HOSTING WERE STRUGGLING TO FILL THE SEATS FROM CANADA. UM, AND ONLY 42% OF CANADIANS BELIEVE THE US IS WELCOMING OF VISITORS WHILE 38 BELIEVE THAT AMERICAN VALUES THAT ONLY 38 VALUE INTERNATIONAL VISITORS. SO THERE'S THAT KIND OF PERCEPTION IS CHANGING. UM, THE FLIP SIDE THOUGH IS WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE DOMESTIC MARKET, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE SEEING THIS INBOUND GO DOWN. UM, WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE DOMESTIC LEVEL? SO 80% OF US CONSUMERS SAY THEIR TRAVEL BEHAVIOR WILL CHANGE IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. ONE THIRD SAID THEY WILL TRAVEL CLOSER TO HOME. 24% WILL CHANGE TO A LESS EXPENSIVE MODE OF TRANSPORTATION, AND 22% ANTICIPATING ADJUSTING THEIR LENGTHS TO STAY. SO THERE IS A CHANCE. AND THEN AS WELL, US TRAVELERS ARE FEELING LESS COMFORTABLE TRAVELING INTERNATIONALLY. SO THEY MAY LIKELY CHOOSE TO SPEND THOSE DOLLARS THEY WERE GONNA SPEND INTERNATIONALLY IN THE US, WHICH I DO THINK BODES WELL FOR SEDONA. AGAIN, I THINK IT'S WHAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO, COUNCILOR FOLTZ. UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY JUST LIKE OUR BED IN SALES TAX, THERE'S, THERE'S A LAG WITH A LOT OF THIS. SO, UM, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE MMGY, AGAIN, DIFFERENT FIRM. I PULL A DIFFERENT REPORTS FOR THIS, BUT, UM, THEY'VE GOT A TRAVEL IN INTELLIGENCE REPORT, WHICH LOOKS AT INTENT TO TRAVEL AT THE LEISURE AND BUSINESS LEVEL. UM, THE MOST I'VE SEEN IS THE Q4 2024. UM, SO I'M EAGER TO SEE WHAT THE Q1 IS, 'CAUSE I WILL INCLUDE MARCH. UM, BUT BASICALLY PRIOR TO THE RECENT EVENTS OF THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS, WE'VE SEEN A SHIFT WHERE THOSE AT THE 250 PLUS HOUSEHOLD INCOME HAVE A HIGHER INTENT TO TRAVEL. AND THOSE WITH THE LOWER THAN A HUNDRED HOUSEHOLD INCOME ARE KIND OF LESS INTENT TO TRAVEL. SO WE'RE SEEING THAT GAP WIDEN AND IT WAS SLIGHTLY WIDENING. UH, MY HUNCH IS THAT THAT GAP HAS WIDENED QUITE A BIT. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR US? YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING A SHIFT IN TRAVEL PATTERNS. I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS WILL NET OUT FOR SEDONA. UM, I THINK I CAN GUARANTEE YOU WE'RE GONNA SEE LESS INTERNATIONAL. WE MAY LIKELY SEE MORE LUXURY DOMESTIC. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS FOR LOWER INCOME DOMESTIC AND KIND OF HOW, AGAIN, THAT ALL SORT OF NETS OUT FOR US. UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S [06:25:01] THE BEST I GOT FOR TODAY. AND WORST CASE FOR CAN CANADA, CANADA WOULD BE 5%, RIGHT? YEAH. SO IF WE THOUGHT THAT CANADA WAS 10, IF WE THOUGHT THAT WE HAD 10% OF INTER OF OUR OVERNIGHT VISITATION WAS INTERNATIONAL, 5% OF THAT WAS CANADA. IF YOU TAKE A QUARTER OF THAT, YOU DROPPED, I THINK IT'S LIKE 1.15. I'M NOT GREAT AT MATH ON THE FLY, BUT YOU GOTTA THINK THAT THAT QUARTER THAT VANISHED OUTTA THE CANADIAN MARKET IS PROBABLY MORE CONCENTRATED ON THE BORDER COMMUNITIES THAN IT IS DOWN HERE. SO I'M CONFIDENT THAT IT'S GOING DOWN. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING DOWN A QUARTER RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS CHANGING WIGGLY. I DID HEAR THAT THIS IS ONE PERSON'S PERSPECTIVE. I GUESS THERE WAS A NEWS SHOW THEY SAID THAT CANADIANS STILL DON'T WANNA BE IN CANADA DURING THE WINTER MM-HMM . BUT INSTEAD OF GOING TO FLORIDA OR ARIZONA, THOSE WERE THE TWO STATES THEY MENTIONED THEY'RE GOING TO MEXICO. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . MAKES SENSE. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, I GUESS IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN TO CLOSE THIS CONVERSATION FOR ME THAT YOU COULD ESTIMATE? OR IS IT JUST IMPOSSIBLE WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE OF ALL THESE, SO INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL'S DOWN, WHAT DOES THAT REPRESENT? DOMESTIC TRAVEL MAY BE UP. WHAT DOES THAT REPRESENT? IS IT NET OUT? CAN'T, YOU CAN'T ESTIMATE. I DON'T ESTIMATE. OKAY. DEREK, IF YOU DO A SORT OF ON THE FLY MARKETING CAMPAIGN, WOULD IT BE TO OUR TYPICAL MARKETS OR WOULD YOU JUST FOCUS IT ON SAFE PHOENIX? I HAVE NO IDEA. I'LL HAVE TO PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THAT. OKAY. UM, PRIOR TO SOMEBODY OVER HERE SAYING TO EVEN DO A FALL CAMPAIGN, I'VE NEVER EVEN PUT THAT ON MY RADAR BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS EVEN POLITICALLY POSSIBLE. SO, UM, I'LL HAVE TO, I'LL HAVE TO GIVE THAT SOME THOUGHT. I WOULD WANNA, UM, LOOK AT THE DATA. I'D WANNA CONTACT OUR MARKETING FIRM AND REALLY PUT A GOOD STRATEGY AROUND IT AND THEN PUT IT IN FRONT OF ALL OF US SO THAT WE CAN TALK IT OUT ON WHAT'S BEST TO MOVE FORWARD. I MEAN, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS PHOENIX WOULD BE FOCUSING IT ON PHOENIX WOULD BE BETTER BECAUSE SOMEONE FROM NEW YORK ISN'T GONNA MAKE A, LET'S DO A SPUR OF THE MOMENT TRIP TO SEDONA. RIGHT? RIGHT. WHEREAS SOMEBODY IN PHOENIX MIGHT SAY, HEY, LET'S GO TO SEDONA THIS WEEKEND AND MAKE A TRIP ON, YOU KNOW, ONE DAY'S NOTICE OR TWO DAYS NOTICE. WHEREAS SOMEONE FURTHER OUT IS GONNA HAVE TO PLAN FURTHER AHEAD. SO YEAH. SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ON MY LONG RANGE PLAN IS A, UM, TAKING THE DAY TRIPPER AND MAKING THEM AN OVERNIGHT STAY. AND SO THAT'S USUALLY GONNA BE VEGAS, LA, SAN DIEGO, AND PHOENIX AND TUCSON. SO, THANK YOU. UM, AND I HEARD IT BROUGHT UP BEFORE YOU TALK WITH LODGING COUNCIL, INSTEAD OF GOING BY, YOU KNOW, TAX, UH, OR BAD TAX GOING DOWN OR WHATEVER BOOKINGS, LIKE THE VICE MAYOR SAID, IS THAT SOMEWHAT A GOOD INDICATOR IF THE BOOKINGS DROP? THEY'LL, THEY'LL KNOW A MONTH OR TWO IN ADVANCE ON BOOKINGS. YEAH, WE'LL SEE, WE'LL SEE SMITH TRAVEL RESEARCH, WHICH IS, UM, ABOUT 80% OF THE ROOM NIGHTS OR ROOM ROOM INVENTORY IN SEDONA. WE SEE THAT WITHIN ABOUT A MONTH. UM, AND THEN SAME THING WITH KEY DATA. WE ALWAYS LOOK TO THE CITY SALES AND BED TAX AS SORT OF THE, THE AUTHORITY ON HOW THINGS WENT. BUT, BUT THAT'S TOO LATE. SO. YEAH. BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN, AND I ALSO GET SMITH TRAVEL. I, I GET IT ON A WEEKLY BASIS. IT DOES GET CORRECTED AND I GET THE MONTHLY REPORT. THAT'S WHY YOU TYPICALLY DON'T SEE THE WEEKLY BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT GETS CORRECTED. BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO LOOK INTO THIS A LITTLE, A LITTLE EARLIER. I GUESS TO YOUR POINT. I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT IT WAS SOMETHING WORTHWHILE TO WORK WITH. AND YOU JUST WORK WITH LOGIC CASTLE DIRECTLY, RIGHT? YEAH. WE ALSO HAVE OUR BOOKING PASTE TREND REPORT. UM, IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD, UH, FOR THE NEXT TWO AND A HALF, THREE MONTHS. EVERYTHING IS IN THE RED. WELL, THAT'S, AND I'M TRYING, BEFORE I SOUND AN ALARM, I'M TRYING TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT IS SAID THAT IT'S IN THE RED BEFORE, DID IT END UP BEING THE RED IN OUR SALES AND BED TAX OR, UM, FROM THE HOTELIERS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO JUST MAKE SURE I, I DON'T READ TOO MUCH INTO THAT, BUT EVEN OUR BOOKING PACE, UM, HOW MANY HOTELIERS DO WE HAVE ON THAT? WE HAVE EIGHT. YEAH. SO THERE'S EIGHT HOTELS ON THAT. I MEAN, IT'S, I I ACTUALLY DID A QUICK ANALYSIS ON THIS FOR MARCH, BASICALLY. SO BOOKING PACE WAS SAYING THAT WE WERE GONNA BE DOWN 9% IN OCCUPANCY IN MARCH. WOW. WE ENDED UP 4% DOWN IN OCCUPANCY, BUT 4% UP IN A DR AND THEN THE REVENUE NETTED [06:30:01] OUT BASICALLY EVEN. SO AGAIN, IT'S OCCUPANCY IS NOT THE ONLY METRIC TO LOOK AT, BUT THE BOOKING PLATE, THE BOOKING PACE IS NOT PROJECTING WHAT I'M SEEING IN THE SMITH TRAVEL. WELL, I'D JUST RATHER GIVE YOU WHATEVER TOOLS YOU NEED FOR YOUR TOOLBOX TO JUST REACT. AND WE, IF WE GIVE IT TO YOU AHEAD OF TIME AND YOU JUST GO WITH IT, I'D RATHER DO THAT FOR YOU. SO BRIAN, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA WRAP IT UP. 'CAUSE WE'RE ALL FINISHED OVER HERE YET. I THOUGHT DIDN'T DEREK'S OR, AND YOU HAVE, I HAVEN'T GONE. I DON'T MM-HMM . OKAY, THEN LEMME GO TO, UH, BRIAN AND I, I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU HAD YOUR HAND TOO. OKAY, BRIAN. UH, I'M GONNA PASS FOR NOW. OKAY, THEN, PETE. YEAH, I, I MEAN, OH, FOR THE LAST YEAR, THE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN ABOUT THE BOOKING WINDOW HAS DROPPED, THEN IT'S SHIFTED MORE TO LATE BOOKING. AND SO IT'S TRICKY. MEAN YOU REALLY GOTTA BE CAREFUL ABOUT ALL THAT. QUESTIONS FOR YOU, LAUREN? UH, I'M LOOKING ON, I'D LIKE TO CALL IT SETI, CTEI. OH, I LIKE THAT. I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT. , WHERE WERE YOU LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE CALLING IT? SETI SETI. SETI SETI. YEAH. APPARENTLY FORGOT YOU. YOU'VE GOT, UH, SOME TBDS LISTED AT F FARES, LOCAL THANK VVI RIO AND A KONA. I HEARD YOU SAY FORES, THE LOCALE AND VVI RIO. THOSE ARE IN YOUR BUDGET. YOUR FUND RING THE CONTINUATION OF THE FAR AS THE LOCALE PROGRAM. AND WE ARE, WE HAVE A CONTRIBUTION. WE DON'T TOTALLY FUND IT, BUT WE HAVE A, A CONTRIBUTION TO IT. AND THEN, UM, PART OF SOMETHING THAT I WANNA DO LAST YEAR WAS, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE HOLDING THEM TO A ACCOUNTABILITY METRIC STANDARD. UM, THEN WE AS AN ORGANIZATION DECIDED THAT WE WERE GOING TO TRY AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF METRICS IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE THEY, THEY, IT IS CRAZY. AND THEN LATER ON WE DECIDED THAT LET'S NOT LOSE THOSE ONES. SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S A PLACEHOLDER THERE. UM, WE'VE GOT THE EMAILS OUT, WE'VE BEEN HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS. UH, OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE IT BY THE TIME THE FINAL BUDGET BOOK HAPPENS. GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, RIGHT ABOVE THAT IS YOUR VISITOR'S, THE VISITORS CENTER DROPPING IN THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR. AND THEN MY MIND GOES TO THE, UH, KIOSK PROGRAM. SO IF YOU START, COUNT, IF THAT GETS IN AND STARTS GETTING USED. AND IS THAT COUNTING TOWARDS VISITOR CENTER PEOPLE IN A METRIC? SO YOU THOUGHT, SO I SAID THAT THE VISITOR CENTERS WERE GOING TO DROP. YEAH, IT WENT FROM ONE 60 TO ONE 50. UM, THAT IS THE ESTIMATE. SO THAT WAS HOW WE'RE PACING RIGHT NOW. AND I KEPT IT AS THE PROJECTION. I KEPT IT THE SAME AS ONE 50. YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, I, I SH I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE MADE IT IF WE WERE PACING THIS YEAR TO, TO PROBABLY KEEP IT AT, IF I WERE REDOING THAT NOW, INSTEAD OF WHEN I DID IT IN DECEMBER, I PROBABLY WOULD SAY 1 75. OKAY. SO USAGE OF THE KIOSKS WILL BE IN THAT METRIC. SO WE MIGHT SEE THAT RISE OR WILL THE KIOSK? IT'S NOT IN THAT METRIC. AND I SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE A NEW TRICK IN WHICH WE MEASURE THAT . YEAH. YEP. ALL RIGHT. THEN A QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK IS REALLY ABOUT THE FAM STUFF, BECAUSE WE ARE THE STATE DESIGNATE, WE ASKED THE STATE TO DESIGNATE US AS THE DMMO. I THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT LANGUAGE OF THAT SLIDE. MM-HMM . DOING THE FAM VISITS IS A, A NEW THING FOR US IN HISTORICAL SENSE. WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR THE LAST YEAR OR WHATEVER. DO WE HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE ABOUT HOW WE OPERATE THAT JUST IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S FAVORS ASKED AND THERE'S FAVORS DELIVERED AND SOME FREEBIES START TO FLOW AND, YOU KNOW, IT STARTS TO GET ON A LITTLE SLIPPERY SLOPE. AND I'M WONDERING IF WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT, AND MAYBE HAVE ALREADY EXECUTED THE IDEA OF A POLICY ABOUT HOW WE ACTUALLY OPERATE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC POLICY. ELLA, ANDREW TALK ABOUT HOW WE TRY AND SPREAD THE LOVE WITH ALL OF OUR BUSINESSES, BUT GO AHEAD. YEAH. SO, UM, MY MAJOR GOAL IS TO SPREAD OUT THE KEY PEOPLE. WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR HOTELS WITH THESE OFTEN. SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE PRIMARY ENGAGEMENT HAPPENS. AND, UM, WE, JAMES JUST DID A FANTASTIC JOB UPDATING THE HOTEL GRID AND WENT THROUGH THE GRID. AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH LIKE, ALL RELEVANT HOTELS WITHIN THAT GRID THIS FISCAL YEAR. AND I THINK THAT'S THE POLICY, RIGHT? IS AT VERY LEAST WE'VE REACHED, WE GIVE EACH HOTEL AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE. AND THIS YEAR WE HAVE ACHIEVED THAT GOAL. UM, WE'RE ON TRACK TO HIT ABOUT 40 FANS THIS YEAR, JUST FOR KIND OF CONTEXT ON HOW MANY THAT IS. AND TO DATE, WE'VE HOSTED 130 PEOPLE, UM, WITHIN THOSE, WITHIN THOSE 40 FAMS. UM, AND THEN AGAIN, JUST CONTINUING TO KIND OF CYCLE THROUGH [06:35:01] THE RESTAURANTS. SO, UM, SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANNA PLAY, PLAY WITH US IN THE SANDBOX, I GUESS THE BEST WAY TO PUT OTHER PEOPLE'S DO. BUT, UM, WE ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT FOLKS GET OPPORTUNITIES. AND I'M ACTIVELY INVITING FOLKS, IF WE HAVEN'T WORKED WITH YOU ON FAMS, PLEASE CONTACT ME AND WE'D LOVE TO FIND A, FIND A FIT THAT CAN WORK. SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE POLICY THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, IF THAT'S, YEAH. YEP. THAT SOUNDS LIKE GREAT AND GREAT RESULTS. UH, I, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST SET IT OUT THERE PERHAPS A NET FOR YOU AND KURT TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER BEST, BEST OF INTENTIONS, RIGHT. WHETHER WE OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING IN PLACE SO THAT FUTURE GENERATIONS OF US WOULD ADHERE IT TO THE SAME IDEALS THAT WE SET FORTH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, THEN WE ARE SLATED TO TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK, RIGHT? WE GOT COMMUNICATION. YOU'RE DONE. OKAY. 15 MINUTE BREAK. CAN YOU PUT THAT DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE BEHIND SCHEDULE. I, I'M, I'M WELL AWARE WE'RE BEHIND SCHEDULE. THAT'S MY, AND THAT'S MY CONCERN. SO I, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD GET BACK IN 10 MINUTES, BECAUSE SOME OF US COME BACK LATER THAN, WELL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SAY 10, WE'LL BE BACK IN 15. YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SO MANY REASONS WHY WE LOVE YOU SO MUCH, . OKAY, LET'S GO. UH, 22. WAIT TWO MINUTES, 20 MINUTES TILL THE HOUR. 22. THE HOUR 22. THAT'S GONNA GIVE US, NO, LET'S DO, YES. 12 MINUTES. OKAY. OKAY, WE'RE BACK ON. AND WHO IS STARTING NOW? I BET IT'S BARBARA AGAIN. SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER. IT'S, WHAT PAGE IS THAT? UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. WE'RE ACTUALLY THESE NEXT COUPLE OF SECTIONS I REORDERED IN CASE WE WERE RUNNING LATE. SO PUBLIC WORKS IS UP NOW AND THEY ARE RIGHT AFTER SUSTAINABILITY AND WASTEWATER IN YOUR POWERPOINT. OKAY. AND THEN WE WILL GO BACK TO SUSTAINABILITY AND WASTEWATER. 99. IT'S ON TOP IN SMALL LITTLE NUMBERS. I KNOW. LITTLE BITTY FOR ALL OF US THAT ARE SAY OVER 50 AND CAN'T SEE THEM. SORRY, IT'S SANDY. NO, YEAH, I'M JUST TEASING. STERLING. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MAYOR VICE MAYOR COUNCIL. KURT HARRIS, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, CITY ENGINEER. UM, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. UM, AND TO YOUR RIGHT, AND TO YOUR RIGHT, SANDY PHILLIPS. SANDY PHILLIPS, OUR ASSISTANT PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. LOOKING LEFT. TRYING TO LOOK RIGHT. UM, UH, JUST ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? UM, I'M NOT GONNA TRY TO GO THROUGH, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE NOW PUSHED, SO, UM, HELP ME, HELP YOU. WHAT, GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION. YEAH. SO THIS IS OUR PUBLIC WORKS. THAT'S IT. BUT OPERATIONS, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH SELF-DESCRIBED IN HERE ABOUT OUR SALARY OR BENEFITS, OUR MAINTENANCE REALLY. I WAS PREPARED TO GO TO THE OTHER SHEETS ON THESE. THESE ARE ALREADY VETTED THROUGH OUR, UH, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THE, UM, CITIZENS WORK GROUP. UH, UTILITIES IS THE ONE THINGS I WANT UP THAT, THAT REALLY WENT UP ON OUR WATER BASED ON ARIZONA WATER INCREASES, UH, FOR OUR PARKS. THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG ONES THAT STOOD OUT TO ME. KURT, YOU MIGHT POINT OUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE BIG CHANGE IN OPERATING AND MAINTENANCE? UM, THAT'S A BIG NUMBER THERE. SO THEY MIGHT WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT'S INVOLVING. IT'S THE CONTINUATION OF OUR EXPANSION OF OUR SERVICES. SO IN PARKS AND RECS BRINGING ON, UM, EXTENDED SHARED USE PATHS, IT'S ALSO PAVING. PAVING. WE, WE REALLY PUSH TO, UH, ENHANCE OUR PAVING. AND PART OF OUR ONE TIME YOU'RE GONNA SEE ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE HIGHWAY USER REVENUE FUNDS THAT ARE ALLOCATED PRETTY STANDARD MONEY THAT WE RECEIVE THAT HAS TO GO BACK TO STREETS TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO FOR PAVING IN OUR PARKING AREAS AND THE PARKS AND RECS. SO WITH THE ADDING OF, UH, RANGER PARK, UM, THE SHARED USE PATH, UM, INCREASING SERVICES AND USE AT THE FACILITIES AT POSSE GROUNDS FOR THE PICKLE BALL, UM, THOSE ARE THOSE TYPE OF OPERATIONS, UM, COSTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING IN THERE. WE WERE HOPING TO DO PART OF THIS IN 26. IT'S BASED UPON YOUR DIRECTION. IF THERE'S A NEED, UM, TO ACTUALLY ADD MORE PARKING IN THERE. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO THAT. THAT'S BY THE HUB, UH, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. UM, IF IT GETS NEEDED TO, RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT NEEDED. SO WE'RE ONLY GONNA DO THAT IF IT'S REQUIRED, IF PICKLEBALL PARKING OVERFLOWS AND NOW THERE'S A CONFLICT WITH THE HUB USE. [06:40:01] WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, ALLOCATE MONEY WITHIN OUR OPERATION BUDGET TO ADD PARKING. OKAY. PETE, THANK YOU. SO IN THE OPERATIONS BUDGETS, LOOKING FORWARD, IS IT JUST MORE STAFF TIME? IS IT MORE STAFF? WHAT'S BEEN THE IMPACT ON THE SUVS SO FAR? AND EVEN LOOKING FORWARD AS WE CONTINUE TO DO MORE, THAT THOSE ARE THOSE, UM, OPTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE INSPECTION. OPERATION MAINTENANCE, THAT'S STUFF THAT LANCE, OUR PARKING MANAGERS TO UH, UM, ASSESS WITH US TO LIKE WHAT YOU, THE COUNCIL'S ALL REQUESTED IN IS PROVIDING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN GOING IN AND REPLACING PANELS, DOING CUTBACK OF VEGETATION, ALL THOSE KIND OF, UH, LINE OF SIGHT ISSUES THAT WE'RE SEEMING TO GET. WE'RE GETTING. UM, NOW THAT WE'RE COMING ON, WE'RE GETTING MORE USE, WE'RE GETTING MORE FEEDBACK FROM, UM, USERS AND ADJACENT LANDOWNERS ABOUT INCREASING LINE OF SIGHT, ADDING STOP BARS, ALL THOSE KIND OF PEDESTRIAN, UH, BICYCLIST CONFLICTS THAT WE'RE NOW WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS. MAYBE, MAYBE I CAN OPERATING BUDGET ALREADY. NOT A, IT'S NOT A DECISION PACKAGE. IT'S NOT A CIP. CORRECT. IT'S BUILT IN LOOKING FORWARD. ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IS GO INTO EXISTING SIDEWALKS AND WE GRIND THEM. YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THAT HERE AT CITY HALL. MM-HMM . I THINK SOME OF THAT'S HAPPENED WITH SOME OF THE NEW SHARED USE PATHS NOW. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IT'S JUST STARTING TO HAPPEN. BUT THE INCREASE IN THAT BUDGET IS PROBABLY PRETTY MINIMAL AT THIS POINT. CORRECT. AND THEN YOU'VE, YOU'VE ALSO ADDED WE CONTROL, UM, TO SOME OF THE SHARED USE PATH AREAS. UM, ALSO, AGAIN, THE INCREMENTAL INCREASE TO THAT AREA OF THE OPERATING BUDGET IS PRETTY SMALL AS I UNDERSTAND IT. GOOD. ALRIGHT. GOOD. AND, AND ONE OTHER AREA THAT I, I THINK YOU MIGHT TOUCH ON THERE WOULD BE, UM, SOME OF THE SGIS PATH THAT'S BUILT IN THE DE UH, STABILIZED DE DECOMPOSED GRANITE. UM, WE'VE HAD SOME AREAS THAT HAVE FAILED AND HAD TO COME BACK AND REESTABLISH THAT. AGAIN, THE COST OF THAT IS PRETTY MINIMAL AS I UNDERSTAND IT. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S, YEP. SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT MY NOTES FROM WHEN WE REVIEWED THE, UM, BUDGETS, UM, INTERNALLY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, THAT I CAPTURED RELATING TO THE OPERATING AND MAINTENANCE COSTS AND PUBLIC WORKS, AND I THINK I GOT IT CORRECT, BUT IF I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW. UM, A BIG CHUNK OF IT HAS TO DO WITH OUR SHARE OF THE MAINTENANCE OF THE POOL. UM, AND THOSE COSTS KEEP GOING UP AND THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ONGOING REPAIRS NEEDED TO BE MADE AND WE HAVE TO PAY, UM, HALF OF THAT. AND LAST YEAR THAT WAS $600,000. SO WE'RE, YEAH, THE POOL IS A VERY BIG MAINTENANCE EXPENSE FOR PUBLIC WORKS. I THINK THE PATH MAINTENANCE, UM, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE A LITTLE MORE REASONABLE. YEAH. THEY'RE LESS, LESS CROSSLY, BUT THE POOL IS A BIG CHUNK OF THIS, UM, PORTION, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE 1 98 INCREASES RELATED TO OUR ESTIMATES FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE OVER AT THE POOL. OKAY, GREAT. THAT'S A GOOD POINT IN THAT, AND YOU SHOULD, YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT PAGE OF THE PUBLIC WORKS ONE TIME COSTS. THERE'S ISSUES IN THERE ABOUT THE POOL, THE HUB, ALL THOSE THAT I'LL GET TO. UM, BUT SINCE YOU'RE ON TOPIC IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE THIS YEAR AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD TO THE NEXT YEAR. WE WENT AHEAD AND INVESTED IN GETTING POOL PARTS IN ADVANCE. UM, WE KIND OF GOT CAUGHT IN YEARS BEFORE WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PARTS, THE POOL WAS CLOSED, WE GOT A LOT OF NEGATIVITY THAT, SO OUR PUMP THAT WE JUST INSTALLED OVER A YEAR AND A HALF AGO FAILED AND WE ENDED UP HAVING A BACKUP PUMP THAT WE COULD PURCHASE AND INSTALL THAT HAD ALSO A WARRANTY WITH IT. SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO INCORPORATE IN OUR OPERATION MAINTENANCE BUSINESS TO GIVE US BE MORE RESILIENT, MORE ROBUST AND QUICKLY RESPONSE. BUT, UH, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WILL BE IN THE ONE TIME COSTS. GREAT. OKAY. THEN TURNING TO PW SEVEN, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE IS THAT NATIONAL CITIZEN SURVEY, THE QUALITY OF STREET REPAIR THAT KIND OF WENT DARK? DID THAT QUESTION DISAPPEAR FROM THE ANNUALS SURVEY? I DUNNO. SHE TRYING TO GET THERE. WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK IT UP AND COME BACK TO THAT IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YEP. CAN YOU, CAN YOU SAY IT AGAIN? [06:45:01] I WAS HALF PAYING ATTENTION. NO WORRIES. IT'S ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THE PAGE. IT'S THE NATIONAL CITIZEN SURVEY, THE QUALITY OF STREET REPAIR. WE HAD AN ANSWER BACK IN 23, BUT IT'S BEEN DARK. THERE'S NO DATA PAST THAT. NATIONAL CITIZEN SURVEY. QUALITY OF STREET REPAIR. YEP. AND IT'S ON PAGE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN PW SEVEN? WHAT'D YOU SAY? PW SEVEN. P SEVEN. OKAY. GIMME A SECOND. OKAY, THANKS. AND THEN SIMILAR ON THE NEXT PAGE, PW EIGHT, WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME OF THE DELAY DATA, WHICH ALSO HAS BRACKETED NODE NUMBERS FOR THE LAST, LAST YEAR. AND PROJECTION FOR NEXT YEAR. I'M WONDERING IS DID WE CHANGE THE PARAMETER? IS IT NOW REPORTED AS SOMETHING ELSE? WHY DON'T WE HAVE DATA FOR DAYS OF DELAY? 89 A UPTOWN AND 1 79. THAT'S ON THE NEXT PAGE. NEXT PAGE. NO, NOT, I'M NOT SURE. THAT MUST BE AN OVERSIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND THEN MY, UH, ANDY, I THINK YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION BEFORE, BUT IT WAS IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT, THE SHADE STRUCTURES FOR THE SUVS, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE TALKED ABOUT SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CHANGES IN THE OPERATING BUDGET. IT'LL BE, OUR INTENT IS TO START THAT EFFORT WITH NOT A CAPITAL EFFORT, BUT A, A SMALLER, YOU KNOW, DO LIKE A SPOT IMPROVEMENT SO THAT WE ESTABLISH A CONSISTENT BRAND YEAH. OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. YEAH. WITH, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN BENCHES, SHADE STRUCTURE, THAT SORT OF THING. SO THAT WE'RE NOT HODGEPODGING WITH THIS, BUT WE CAN CREATE SOMETHING AND, AND TEST IT OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT'S WHAT WE WANT BEFORE WE BRAND IT ACROSS ALL, ALL OF THE SYSTEMS. GREAT. I, I THINK THAT'S WISE TO KIND OF START WITH SOMETHING YOU CAN MANAGE. SO IN THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WILL WE SEE JUST THE DESIGN OR ARE YOU GONNA ACTUALLY TRY TO EXECUTE ONE OR TWO OR SOMETHING? NO, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO INSTALL ONE LOCATION. OKAY. SO WE'LL SEE SOMETHING NEXT YEAR THAT WE CAN, RIGHT. YEAH. WE ARE IN PROCESS OF PUTTING A SHADE STRUCTURE AT THE TRANSIT AT POSSE GROUNDS AT THIS TIME WITH, UH, COOPERATION WITH SUSTAINABILITY. GOOD. PERFECT. THANK YOU. AND WE'RE ACTUALLY REDOING THAT WHOLE GRAVEL LOT AS WELL. SO THAT'S IN PROCESS. WE HOPE TO GET THAT DONE THIS YEAR. OKAY. AND THE, UH, SUP PRIORITIZATION, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT AT ANOTHER, AT THE SIM PART. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION HERE I'VE GOT JUST WAS THE CURIOSITY. ALL THAT DIRT AND MATERIAL, WE MOVED OUT TO THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. THAT'S, YOU CAN SO SEE ON 89 A DRIVING INTO TOWN. WHAT DO WE EXPECT TO DO THIS NEXT YEAR? IS IT GONNA GROW? IS IT GONNA SHRINK ? IT WILL SHRINK ? UM, YEAH, THAT WAS ALL THE MATERIAL THAT WE WERE TAKING FOR REPURPOSING. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING WITH, UM, OUR MAINTENANCE AND A VENDOR TO COME UP AND INSTEAD OF IMPORTING, UH, PINK, UH, DECOMPOSED GRANITE THAT COMES ALL THE WAY FROM THE VALLEY, UM, THAT WE APPLY THIS GLUE TO DO DG, WE'D LIKE TO DO THAT IN-HOUSE AND USING THAT PRESORTED MATERIAL. RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE RIGHT MIX AND APPLICATION AND HOW MUCH GLUE SO WE CAN USE THAT. AND THEN ONCE WE GET THESE OTHER SIM PROJECTS ARE WITH LANDSCAPING, WE WANNA DO ADD ALT TO THE CONTRACTS TO, SO THE CONTRACTORS, AND WE AREN'T PAYING FOR ALL THAT IMPORT THAT THEY WILL BE ACTUALLY USING THAT MATERIAL, UM, WITHIN THE CITY. UM, AND THEN AS THESE CONTRACTS RELEASED, SO WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR IT, WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE THEM DO THE SORTING AND CRUSHING AND GRINDING. SO WE CAN REUSE THAT. THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS REPURPOSE THE MILLINGS, BROKEN CONCRETE AND ALL THAT. 'CAUSE THAT MAKES GREAT BASE MATERIAL. IT'S ALL PART OF THE SUSTAINABILITY REPURPOSING AND ALL THAT. SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE, UM, ACTUALLY GOING DOWN OVER TIME. BUT THAT'S AN ASSET. AND IN THE SUP CONTRACT THAT WE JUST APPROVED, IF THEY NEEDED MATERIAL, IS IT IN THERE FOR THEM TO USE THAT? GREAT. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT IF YOU DON'T MIND. SURE. SPECIFICALLY ON THAT, THOSE PILES, HOW MUCH DID THAT SAVE US FROM TO DROP IT THERE AS OPPOSED TO TAKING IT ELSEWHERE OUTTA THE CITY AND OUTTA THE VALLEY? WASN'T THERE A CON SIGNIFICANT, I DON'T KNOW IF KURT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT AT THE TIME, DUE TO THE TIMING OF WHEN HE APPROXIMATELY TOOK THAT POSITION. BUT BACK WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT FOREST ROAD IN THE GARAGE, IT WAS IN THE MAGNITUDE OF MILLIONS, MILLIONS, JUST TO KEEP IT. AND THEN LAUREN HAS SOMETHING ALSO. UM, YEAH, I CAN FOLLOW UP ON YOUR CONVERSATION OR YOUR QUESTION, PETE. OH YEAH. COUNSELOR FURMAN, HOLD ON FOR JUST ONE MINUTE. I THOUGHT YOU WAS, IT WAS ADDRESSING MY QUESTION. OKAY. SO, SO $2 MILLION THAT WE SAVED ALONE JUST TO KEEP THAT MATERIAL. IS THAT CORRECT? SO A LOT OF THE, THE SAVINGS THAT WE REALIZE IN THOSE SITUATIONS IS DUE TO JUST HAULING, RIGHT? THE HAULING COST IS, IS VERY [06:50:01] EXPENSIVE, BUT WHAT WE GET AS A SIDE BENEFIT TO IT IS WHEN WE CRUSH IT DOWN AND, AND MAKE IT INTO OTHER USABLE PRODUCTS AND THEN REUSE IT. SO, UM, THE INITIAL SAVINGS WERE, YOU KNOW, ONE TO 2 MILLION IN THAT RANGE. AND THEN ON THE OTHER END, ONGOING SAVINGS IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO SEE THAT FOR YEARS TO COME. RIGHT. WHICH IS GOOD PLANNING. YEP. AND MAYOR, WE USE THAT AS A CREDIT, UM, DEFICIT WITH CHANGE ORDERS WITH EXISTING CONTRACTS ON THAT. SO WE'RE REALIZING SAVINGS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH SUSTAINABILITY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR AGENDA BILLS OF WHAT WE SAVED, UH, THERE'S A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF JUST AT LEAST $1.2 MILLION THAT WE SAVED, UM, ON OUR, UM, UH, JUST OUR SIM ONE B UH, WE USED ALL THE MILLINGS AND SO ON WHEN WE DID THAT BACK FILLING WITH THAT LARGE RETAINING WALL. SO YEAH, WE EXPECT THAT'S GONNA BRING BACK SAVINGS AND REPURPOSING FOR THE CITY FOR YEARS TO COME. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. PETE, LAUREN HAS AN ANSWER FOR YOU. YEAH, SO I'LL JUST SAY, UM, IT GETS HARD WITH THE, WITH OUR BUDGETING AND THE FISCAL YEARS, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE GAPS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY SURVEY BECAUSE WE ONLY DO IT ONCE EVERY EITHER TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS. RIGHT. SO IT GETS FUNKY. UM, UH, THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN HERE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ONE IN FISCAL YEAR 23, BUT WE DO HAVE ONE IN FISCAL YEAR 20. LET'S SEE. OKAY. WE WOULD, WE WOULD'VE HAD ONE IN FISCAL YEAR 23. WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD ONE IN FISCAL YEAR 25 AND 24. AND WE DO HAVE ONE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO LET ME JUST GIVE YOU THE RESULTS. UM, AND WE CAN FILL THIS IN, I'M SURE ON THE BUDGET DOCUMENT. UM, STREET REPAIR FROM THE NATIONAL COMMUNITY SURVEY. UM, PLEASE RATE THE QUALITY OF EACH OF THE FOLLOWING SERVICES IN SEDONA STREET REPAIR. UM, THIS IS, UH, EXCELLENT PERCENT EXCELLENT OR GOOD. IT WAS 48% WHEN WE DID THE SURVEY IN 2018 YEAR 2018 CALENDAR YEAR. UM, 57% IN 20 20, 50 8% IN 2022, AND 58% IN 2024. SO SINCE 2020 WE'VE BEEN, UM, PRETTY MUCH FLAT AT 58%, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THE NATIONAL BENCHMARK. SIMILAR TO THE NATIONAL BENCHMARK. OKAY. WHEN I LOOK AT THAT NUMBER, AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHAT I SAW, PAVEMENT QUALITY AT PO, UH, PO SOLDIER PASS AND SOME OF THE OTHER ROADS THAT I EXPERIENCED, I WONDER IF WE COULD DO BETTER. AND WHETHER YOU HAVE EVER HAD THOUGHTS ABOUT MAYBE CHANGING OUR STANDARD, DOING A LITTLE BIT MORE, ESPECIALLY AS WE START TO PROMOTE MULTIMODAL STUFF, MORE WALKING AND BIKING AND PERHAPS, AND WITH A SCORE OF 58%, ALTHOUGH IT'S THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, WE'RE A PRETTY PROSPEROUS CITY. MAYBE WE COULD DO BETTER. AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU'VE EVER HAD THOUGHTS ABOUT PUSHING THAT NUMBER EVEN MORE. WELL, HISTORICALLY, WE'VE GONE THROUGH, UH, ASSESSMENTS, UM, IN THAT CONSIDERATION. YOU KNOW, WE, AS AN EXAMPLE, WE COULD MILL AND PHIL, UH, EVERY STREET AND NOT DO THE THE FAST PROGRAM AT ALL. AND THAT WOULD BE A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THAN WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. OVER TIME, WE, WHEN WE STARTED TO APPLY THE FAST, IT WAS SORT OF A, A TEST TO SEE THE INITIAL VERSION OF WHAT WE DID WAS MUCH CHEAPER THAN WHAT WE DO TODAY. BUT WE DID GET A, A GOOD AMOUNT OF, UH, COMPLAINTS FROM THE COMMUNITY. WE'VE REFINED WHAT WE DO WITH THAT TODAY. NOT TO GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL, BUT WE WILL PUT DOWN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INITIAL MATERIAL AND THEN LATER WE'LL PUT A, A LAYER OR TWO OF, UH, SEAL COATING OVER THAT. WHAT THAT DOES IS IT SMOOTHS OUT THE FINAL PRODUCT AND IT MAKES IT THICKER AND MORE DURABLE. THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFIT TO IT, BUT THAT COMPLAINT THAT WE USED TO GET WAS MORE ABOUT HOW ROUGH IT LOOKED AND HOW ROUGH IT FELT. MM-HMM . TODAY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS A LOT SMOOTHER, BUT IT'S ALSO, UH, IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT WE USED TO DO, BUT IT'S ALSO STILL QUITE A BIT CHEAPER THAN DOING A MELON FILL. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, WE, WE CONTINUED TO LOOK AT WAYS TO IMPROVE THAT PROGRAM AND WE'RE CERTAINLY, UH, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR KURT COMPLETELY HERE, BUT I THINK HE WOULD AGREE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY AT SOME POINT TO DO A DEEP DIVE INTO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW WE MIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE PROGRAM EVEN MORE ROBUST THAN IT IS TODAY. YEAH. IT'D BE INTERESTING TO, TO HEAR [06:55:01] WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE OR, AND, AND COST . RIGHT. BECAUSE THIS, RIGHT. AND KURT IS ONE THAT LOVES TO GEEK OUT ON THAT TOPIC. SO, UH, YEAH. WE'RE ACTUALLY IN A GOOD LOCATION COMPARED TO EVERYBODY ELSE. COUNCILMAN PETE. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PCI, OUR PAVEMENT CONDITIONING INDEX, WHEN WE REALLY DID OUR ASSESSMENT TWO YEARS AGO, WE'RE RIGHT WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. I PUSHED LAST YEAR TO GET MORE MONEY INTO THAT, TO DO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, NOT JUST LOOK AT UH, WHAT IS THE MINIMUM, WHAT WE CAN TRY TO EXTEND THE LIFE, DO MORE AGGRESSIVE FOG COATING, LIQUID ASPHALT, A LOT OF THAT TOO IS UM, WE NEED TO DO MORE EDGE CONTROL, UM, AND DROP OFF CONTROL AND ALL THAT. SO IT'S LOOKING AT THE WHOLE SYSTEM BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT JUST DOING THAT AND YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE PAVEMENT, NOT LOOKING AT THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT AND THE DRAINAGE, WE'RE JUST CREATING MORE PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD. SO YEAH, WE, WE COULD YOU GIVE US THE RESOURCES, WE COULD SPEND IT AND THAT'S A BIG ONE. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO KIND OF LOOK AT OF WHAT THE MATERIALS ARE. OIL PRICES WERE GOING UP AND UP AND UP. WELL NOW THEY SEEM TO BE GOING DOWN. SO THOSE ARE THOSE THINGS WE'RE ANTICIPATING NEXT YEAR. SO BASED UPON THE OIL PRICES, WE MIGHT BE DOING MORE FLUSH COATING OR MORE OF THAT LIQUID ASPHALT WHERE WE'RE KNOWING WE'RE GETTING THAT CRACK CEILING. AND THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THAT CRACK CEILING, UH, PAVEMENT, UM, IMPROVEMENTS. YEP. UM, BUT LIKE ANDY SAID, IF YOU GO TO, UH, MILL AND FILLS AND WE'VE HAD UM, UM, NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS FROM CITIZENS, I DON'T LIKE THIS. WHY DON'T WE GET PCCP PAVEMENT, UH, CONCRETE, PORTLAND CONCRETE IN AND AND CEMENT. YEAH. THAT WOULD BE THE BEST. THEY WOULD LAST 20, 30, 40 YEARS. BUT IT'S SO COSTLY AND THERE'S OTHER ISSUES WITH IT AS WELL BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE SHEET RUNOFF AND YOU HAVE TO DO MORE DRAINAGE CONTROL. SO YOU'RE, WE'RE CONSTANTLY ON TRYING TO FIND THAT SWEET SPOT. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FOR MY, MY PHILOSOPHY GOVERNING PHILOSOPHY HERE IS THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS TAKE CARE OF WHAT YOU GOT BEFORE YOU START ADDING NEW STUFF. AND SO, AND I AND I MANY DAYS DON'T FEEL THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR PAYMENT MAINTENANCE IS, IT'S QUITE HITTING THE MARK FOR ME. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO, IT'S NOT OFTEN ENOUGH. YOU KNOW, WHEN I SEE, ESPECIALLY AGAIN, WHAT I JUST, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT I SAW ON SOLDIER PASS ROAD, YOU KNOW, WE NOW PAVE THAT NORTHERN HALF AND I HAVEN'T BEEN OVER THERE IN A WEEK, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT THE REST OF THE SOLDIER PASS, BUT THERE ARE BIG POTHOLES AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR OTHER THAN A CAR. AND SO WE, AND I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S A GOOD EXPERIENCE AS A CAR. SO JUST, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD THINKING ABOUT THAT, THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE. 'CAUSE WE DID MILL AND FILL ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION TO 89 BECAUSE THE ROAD WAS SO FAR DETERIORATED. YEAH. SO THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE. AND THEN TOWARDS THE NORTH WE WILL BE JUST DOING A LIQUID, UH, SURFACE SEAL AND TREATMENT. 'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY ALL IT NEEDS RIGHT NOW. BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THAT GOOD ENOUGH SPOT. 'CAUSE THERE'S SO MANY OTHER ROADS THAT ARE AT THAT POOR LEVEL. ONCE WE GET ALL THOSE TREATED AND WE'RE OUT OF THAT RED AND WE'RE KIND OF IN THE YELLOW, I THINK THEN WE CAN USE OUR RESOURCES TO GO IN AND LOOK AT THESE ARTERIAL ROADS WHERE WE KNOW WE'RE GETTING THAT HIGH POINT. AND THAT'S WHY LAST TUESDAY I CAME AND PRESENTED AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL VOTING IN UNANIMOUSLY TO GIVE US THE CHANGE ORDER TO DO THAT DEEP DIVE AND THAT DEEPER TREATMENT IN UPTOWN. TO ME THAT'S INVESTING THAT MONEY FORWARD. ALRIGHT. I'M GONNA JUMP OFF THAT HOBBY HORSE . SURE. THAT EVERYONE'S TIRED OF BEATING THAT ONE. THE LAST THING, AND I MAYBE SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT UP WHEN JOSH WAS HERE, BUT A QUESTION I WANNA ASK 'CAUSE I REALLY THINK IT'S A PUBLIC WORKS ISSUE, IS THAT WE USE SOME OFF-COLOR MATERIAL TO DO SOME GRAVEL FIXED WORK AT PASTA GROUNDS PARK IN THE BIKE TRACK WHERE THE JUMPS ARE. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE PAVEMENT MATERIAL, NOT RED ROCK SEDONA MATERIAL. IT LOOKS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. DO WE HAVE ANY PLANS TO FIX THAT DECISION? YEAH, THAT WAS, UH, KIND OF RUSHED BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO GET IT DONE BEFORE THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL AND THEY WERE USING MILLINGS BECAUSE THAT WAS SUCH A BETTER PRODUCT TO GET THAT LEVEL OF SLOPE AND DRAINAGE CONTROL AND TRYING TO MEET ALL OF OUR CUSTOMER'S CONCERNS. BUT WE CAN COME BACK AND ACTUALLY USE ALL THAT MATERIAL THAT WE HAVE AT THE, UH, STORAGE YARD AND PROVIDE THAT TO GIVE THAT RED LOOK ON IT. IS THAT A PLAN OR DO YOU NEED SOME KIND OF DECISION TO, CAN WE MOVE ON WITH THIS? THIS, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT PART OF THIS. IS IT IT IS PART OF THE BUDGET. IT'S WHETHER IT'S IN THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR OR IT'S NOT. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT UH OKAY. NEEDS TO BE PUSHED. YEAH. BUT WE'RE ALREADY LATE. WE'RE AN HOUR LATE. SO IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, I'D APPRECIATE IT. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESPOND TO YOUR, COULD I GET A QUES ANSWER TO MY QUESTION? THE QUICK ANSWER IS IT IS IN THE OPERATING BUDGET. OH, [07:00:01] GREAT. THANK YOU. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. VICE MAYOR KURT, I, I HEARD YOU SAY THERE WERE NO PLANS TO ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING TO POSSE GROUNDS IS, DID I HEAR RIGHT? NO, THERE ARE, WE JUST HAVEN'T, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED. HAVEN'T DONE IT UNTIL WE'RE ABSOLUTELY NEEDED. WE DON'T GO OUT AND JUST DO THINGS WILLY-NILLY. WE'RE KIND OF, WE'LL DO IT WHEN IT'S REQUIRED TO. AND THAT WAS JUST NORTH OF THE HUB IN THAT LITTLE CORNER IN THERE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH SANDY, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DESIGN WE PLAN TO DO IN-HOUSE. WE KNOW THE COST, WE JUST HAVEN'T PULLED THE TRIGGER AND THAT'S PART OF OUR OPERATION BUDGET. SO, UM, EXCELLENT. AND THAT'S WHEN, WHEN WE KNOW THAT THE PICKLEBALL IS STARTING TO ENCROACH INTO OTHERS RIGHT NOW IT'S WORKING. SO, UM, NOTHING, NO REASON TO FIX SOMETHING IF IT'S WORKING IN OUR OPINION, UNLESS WE GET DIRECTION FROM YOU FOLKS. WELL, DOG PARK IS OVERSUBSCRIBED, SHALL WE SAY. SO THEY NEED PARKING. THIS WOULD BE CLOSE PROXIMAL. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD SOLVE THAT. IT, IT MIGHT SOLVE IT WHEN PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GOING TO THE DOG PARK HAVE SOMEWHERE ELSE TO PARK. CORRECT. CORRECT. THERE IS CIRCULATION TRAFFIC THAT WE HAVE SEEN ON HIGH VISITATION AREAS, BUT YOU KNOW, ALL BETS ARE OFF WHEN IT'S SPRING BREAK. I HEAR YOU . OKAY, YOU GUYS, OH, THE NEXT PAGE? MM-HMM . OKAY. WHERE'S THE ONE ONE BACK ONE TIME? I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. THIS IS TO ANNETTE. IF WE'RE GONNA BUY VEHICLES, SHOULD WE BE TRYING TO BUY THEM BEFORE THE TARIFFS ON THEM? MAKE THEM TWICE AS EXPENSIVE AS THEY ARE NOW, LIKE TRYING TO GET SOME CARS THAT ARE ACTUALLY ON THE LOT. THANK YOU. UM, COUNCILOR PLU, UM, THE UH, WAY THAT WE PURCHASE VEHICLES IF WE'RE JUST BUYING THEM OUTRIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT, IS WE USE, UM, THE STATE PURCHASE AGREEMENT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN NEGOTIATED AND ESTABLISH FOR PRICE POINTS. AND I'LL HAVE TO CHECK WITH OUR PROCUREMENT OFFICER IF THAT, UM, PRICE AGREEMENT INCLUDES ANY POTENTIAL ADJUSTMENTS FOR THINGS LIKE TARIFFS. BUT RIGHT NOW, UH, THE QUOTES THAT WE HAVE ARE, UM, FIRM AND THOSE ARE THE QUOTES THAT WE USED FOR THE COSTS AND THE BUDGET. SO BECAUSE WE'RE USING THAT CONTRACT, UM, YEAH, THEY MIGHT HAVE AN ESCALATION FACTOR OR SOMETHING ELSE IN THE CONTRACT. AND I DID ASK, UM, IAN, OUR PROCUREMENT OFFICER EARLIER WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE IT VEHICLE, JUST REAL QUICK, THE STATE PRICE AGREEMENT PRICES, UM, ARE ROUGHLY 8% LOWER THAN THE ENTERPRISE COST FOR ACQUIRING THE VEHICLE. AND THEN THE ENTERPRISE LEASE HAS ON TOP OF THAT THE INTEREST PAYMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND SO THAT THE, THAT WAS WHY HE RECOMMENDED TO ME THAT WE JUST OUTRIGHT PURCHASED THE IT VEHICLE. 'CAUSE IT WAS OVERALL SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER. ACTUALLY I WAS THINKING ABOUT MORE THAN VEHICLES WE STOCK UP ON SUPPLIES THAT ARE SUBJECT TO PRICE INCREASES. WELL I KNOW THAT ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW WE'RE ASKING OUR CONTRACTORS TO GET THINGS ORDERED THAT WE'VE, WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT ALREADY, SO. YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. OKAY. SO THIS IS THE ONE I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN. IF YOU HAD SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I CAN GO THROUGH THESE ON EACH ONE AND KIND OF EXPLAIN IN DETAIL WHAT THEY'RE AMOUNTED. UM, THE BIG ONE THAT POPPED TO ME WAS LIKE GOLF CART, WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WORKS IS HAVING A TEE TIME? NO, THAT'S ACTUALLY FOR OUR TCAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PURCHASE A SECOND ONE BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF OUR MOST SUCCESSFUL THINGS WE ENGAGE TO, IT'S A NEWER ONE THAT HAS LONGER DISTANCE, UH, BECAUSE THE EXISTING ONE'S NOT GETTING OUR CREWS OUT TO BACK AND BEYOND THAT DUTY POST. SO IT'S JUST A REPLACEMENT, NOT AN ADDITIONAL NO, IT'S AN ADDITIONAL. SO WE'D LIKE TO USE THE EXISTING ONE TO GO TO UPTOWN AND GET A NEWER ONE TO GO TO BACK AND BEYOND. THE TITLE SAYS REPLACEMENT, RIGHT. IF IT WAS NEW, SHOULDN'T IT BE IN DECISION PACKAGE VERSUS UM RIGHT. ARE YOU SURE? YEAH, I'M PRETTY SURE WE WANTED TO, IF IT IS, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT AND WE WENT AND KEEP THE EXISTING ONE. BUT, UM, THE WHOLE POINT WAS, UM, IF WE KEPT THE EXISTING ONE THEN WE COULD USE THAT LOCALLY. 'CAUSE THE BATTERY'S NOT GOING AS FAR, THE NEWER ONE WE'RE GONNA GET CAN GO MUCH FARTHER AND IT CAN GO A COUPLE DAYS WITHOUT A CHARGE. THAT WAS THE BIG ISSUE. AND TO, AND THAT WAS TO GO TO [07:05:01] BACK AND BEYOND. SO THE, THE VEHICLE'S NOT STUCK IN TRAFFIC DURING HIGH VISITATION TIMES. SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE A REPLACEMENT, NOT AN ADDITIONAL UNIT. WELL THAT'S, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS AND I I THOUGHT IT WAS, IT'S JUST A REPLACEMENT. YES. BUT YOU WOULD BE KEEPING THE OTHER ONE. SO INSTEAD OF ONE THERE WOULD BE TWO. IF WE CAN'T THEN WE CAN'T. NO, WE CAN'T. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THIS YEAR THAT WE'VE TRIED TO REALLY GET ACROSS TO OUR DEPARTMENTS THAT AS PART OF THE VEHICLE PROGRAM YOU CANNOT REQUEST A REPLACEMENT AND KEEP THE OLD UNIT. AND SO WE YEAH. WE'LL BE REPLACING IT. WE'RE TRYING TO DRIVE THAT, THAT MESSAGE. SO NOW THIS WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL NO, NO, IT'LL BE A REPLACEMENT. OKAY. BUT DO WE, WE REPURPOSE UH, THE, THAT GOLF CART SOMEWHERE ELSE, THE PARKS AND REC MIGHT HAVE GO, NOPE, WE HAVE TO SELL IT. IF THEY DID DO THAT, THEY WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT A DECISION PACKAGE. THE REASON FOR THAT IS, UM, I THINK IT WAS COUNCILOR FURMAN THAT WAS POINTING OUT THE ONGOING COST OF A UNIT THAT GETS KEPT. YOU CAN'T JUST KEEP AN OLD UNIT AND SAY THAT'S NO A NO COST CHANGE. IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A FUTURE COST. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT I NOTICED, WHICH I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT FOR A COUPLE YEARS, UH, PD HAS REPURPOSED TWO UH, UH, FORDS VEHICLES. THEY TOOK THE LIGHTS OFF, THEY NOW IT'S COMMUNITY, UH, UH, SERVICE AID THAT'S WITHIN THEIR DEPARTMENT. SO, SO THAT'S OKAY TO, HOPEFULLY THEY CAME OUT PATROL AS LONG AS THAT WAS MADE CLEAR WHEN THE DECISION WAS MADE TO GET A NEW VEHICLE. RIGHT. OKAY. AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. SO WITH, WITH THE NEW STAFF, WHAT I WAS ALLUDING TO EARLIER, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE NEW STAFF ARE CLEAR ON THAT MESSAGE. 'CAUSE THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME IN THIS BUDGET PROCESS THAT WE REALIZED THEY WERE NOT CLEAR ON THAT. SO IT'S PART OF OUR SORT OF HOPEFULLY NEW FLEET MANAGEMENT PROCESS BECAUSE WHAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT WE REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW MANY VEHICLES AND PIECES OF EQUIPMENT EACH DEPARTMENT NEEDS. AND THEN IF THEY'RE SAYING WE'RE REPLACING THIS, THEN WE'RE GONNA SURPLUS IT. UM, BUT IF THEY'RE WANTING TO REPURPOSE IT AND PURCHASE NEW, THAT'S ALSO OKAY. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THE CITY, HOW MUCH THE MONEY'S GONNA BE GOING FORWARD, THOSE THINGS. SO IT'S REALLY, UH, SORT OF A SHIFT IN THE MANAGEMENT OF OUR FLEET, WHICH WOULD BE WHY KURT'S LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS A VERY NEW THING THAT WE, THAT WE DECIDED THIS YEAR WAS REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN WE SAW HOW CHALLENGING IT IS FOR THE DEPARTMENTS TO MANAGE SORT OF INDIVIDUAL FLEETS. I UNDERSTAND. AND THIS IS FULLY ENCLOSED GOLF CART. IT HAS A BETTER BATTERY RANGE. IT AND IT'S TOTALLY STREET LEGAL HAS A LOT OF OTHER BENEFITS THAT THE EXISTING ONE DOESN'T. UM, ALSO JUST TO HIT ON THESE POINTS IN HERE, THESE ARE A LOT OF INDIVIDUAL LINES THAT ATTEND TO THE POOL THAT YOU WERE PREVIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT. UM, THOSE ARE REPAIRS AND SO ON THE ASPHALT REPAIRS, MOST OF THAT MONEY IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BENCHES PARK WIDE. WE ARE TRYING TO STANDARDIZE THAT AND MAKE THEM UM, UM, THAT BRANDING AND THAT USE TO THE USER ACROSS ALL THE PARKS. UM, THAT WOULD BE THE SAME KIND OF BENCHES THAT WE WOULD PUT INTO THE SHARED USE PATHS ONCE WE GET THOSE IDENTIFIED, THAT KIND OF THINGS. BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE ASPHALT REPAIRS 'CAUSE THAT'S OUTSIDE THE HIGHWAY USER REVENUE FUNDS, UM, TO HAVE THAT AS WELL. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE SANDY BROUGHT UP THE INTERN. WE'D LIKE TO GET AN INTERN ON AS PART OF OUR ONBOARDING AND OUR SUCCESSION PLANNING AND REACH OUT. WE WOULD FIND IT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD USE. AND THEN WE'VE ALSO HAD GREAT SUCCESS IN GETTING OUT OF OUR, UM, OUR PAPER AND GOING TO ELECTRONICS AND UM, CONSOLIDATING OUR SORT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT GETTING A, UH, UH, ATTEMPT TO HELP US CONVERT ALL OF OUR AS BELTS INTO ELECTRONICS AS WELL. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE LINE ITEMS. SO THANKS MAYOR. SHOULDN'T THESE BE DECISION PACKAGES WE'RE ADDING? YEAH, ALL THESE THANK YOU. SEEMS INCONSISTENT WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS. UM, WELL EACH DEPARTMENT HAS SOME ONE TIME COSTS IN THEIR BUDGET THAT ARE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER SMALL DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND THE, UH, FINANCE BROKE THOSE OUT FOR YOU SO YOU WOULD KNOW OF THEIR OPERATING BUDGET. WHAT WAS ONE TIME VERSUS ONGOING? UM, BECAUSE PUBLIC WORKS COVERS SUCH A SUBSTANTIAL BREADTH OF ACTIVITIES AND IS ONE OF OUR LARGEST, IF NOT THE LARGEST DEPARTMENT, IT LOOKS LIKE A FAIRLY LONG LIST. UM, IN REGARDS TO LIKE THE INTERIM POSITION, UM, SPECIFICALLY THEY DID SUBMIT [07:10:01] THAT TO ME AS A DECISION PACKAGE. AND BECAUSE IT'S A TEMPORARY POSITION AND IT'S AN INTERN AND IT'S A LOW COST, I WAS THE ONE THAT SAID, I DON'T THINK THIS QUALIFIES AS A DECISION PACKAGE IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT WITHIN YOUR BASE BUDGET TO BRING AN INTERN ON TEMPORARILY. THAT SEEMS LIKE A, UM, WITHIN MY AUTHORITY WITH PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT, UM, TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ADDING AN ACTUAL FTE, THERE'S NO BENEFITS INVOLVED. IT'S A ONE TIME THING AND I FELT THAT IT WAS, UM, TOO SMALL OF AN ITEM FOR THE COUNCIL TO DEBATE. SO THAT WAS WHY I ASKED THEM TO JUST GO AHEAD AND PUT IT IN THEIR BASE BUDGET. YEAH, WELL SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S OTHER ITEMS ON HERE THAT YOU'D WANNA, WELL THAT'S UP TO $164,000 SO IT'S NOT INSIGNIFICANT ROLLED UP. SO, BUT THEY DO HAVE LIKE A $9 MILLION DEPARTMENT BUDGET AND INDIVIDUALLY THEY'RE WITHIN ALL DIFFERENT PROGRAMS WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS. UM, BUT YEAH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE THESE TO BE TREATED AS DECISION PACKAGES, WE CAN UM, I THINK THEY NEED TO BE GROUPED BY WHAT FACILITY THEY'RE TIED TO. LIKE, UM, KURT SAID SEVERAL OF THESE ARE RELATED TO THE POOL. SOME OF THEM ARE RELATED TO THE HUB BECAUSE HIS STAFF IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FACILITY MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP. UM, BUT IT'S YOUR PLEASURE, YOU KNOW. WELL IT'S LIKE JOSH HAS A HUB UPGRADE. MM-HMM . IS THIS PART OF THAT OR SEPARATE FROM THAT? IT'S NOT. SO THIS IS MORE ON THE FACILITY SIDE OF UH, MAINTENANCE OF THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY MAINTENANCE. AND AS FAR AS HOW THOSE, I'M SURE YOU GUYS WENT THROUGH A PROCESS OF HOW TO SPLIT THEM OUT AND I'M NOT PRIVY TO HOW THAT WENT. SO MAYBE KURT YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT. YEAH, THESE ARE THE, THESE ONE, THESE ARE SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY ARE. THEY'RE ONE TIME COSTS FOR THE OPERATION MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITY. SO IF YOU READ IT, IT'S LIKE, UH, THE CURTAIN PANELS, WINDOW COVERINGS, A MOP SINK, THOSE ARE ALL TYPE OF THINGS TO ACCENTUATE THE WINDOWS TO. UM, YEAH, LIKE THERE'S NOT A MOP SEEK IN THERE. UH, THE SAME THING GOES FOR THE, UH, THE POOL. IT'S LIKE TO TREAT THE DECK AND UH, CRACKING IN THE DECK TO TREAT THE LOCKER ROOM, TO DO THE FLOORING, THOSE KIND OF STUFF. SO THEY'RE KIND OF MORE OF OUR MAINTENANCE SIZE THAT COMES THROUGH OUR, SO IN THE END, MAYBE I COULD CIRCLE BACK AND TYPICALLY WHAT WE WILL DO IS ANYTHING THAT'S DEFINITELY A MAINTENANCE TYPE OF ITEM WILL GO THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS. IF IT'S A PROGRAM TYPE MORE ASSOCIATED THAT GOES THROUGH PARKS AND REC. SO THAT'S HOW THOSE ARE SPLIT OUT AS FAR AS DECISION PACKAGE OR NOT. WHILE YOU COULD GROUP SOME OF THESE, TYPICALLY IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE CONSIDERING THEM ON THE, IN INDIVIDUAL BASIS, THE WAY THE DECISION PACKAGES WORK IS THEY HAVE TO MEET A CERTAIN THRESHOLD INDIVIDUALLY BEFORE THEY, UM, GO INTO THAT CATEGORY. KATHY, LAST YEAR I THINK WE HAD A PLOW ATTACHMENT REPLACEMENT THAT WE WERE DEBATING THEN, AND THAT WAS A DECISION PACKAGE. YET HERE, THIS ONE IS NOW FOR ALMOST $19,000, NOT AS A DECISION PACKAGE. SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WERE TREATED DIFFERENTLY IN TWO YEARS. I KNOW THERE WAS A TRUCK INVOLVED AT ONE POINT TOO. YEAH, BUT THE PLOW WAS SEPARATE. WE TALKED ABOUT THE PLOW AS WELL AS A DECISION PACKAGE. I KNOW, I KNOW LOOKING RIGHT AT YOU BY THE WAY. I WAS SUPPORTIVE OF IT. THAT ONE . SO SOME OF WHAT, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BARBARA AND I, IT'S OUR AND STERLING, IT'S OUR FIRST TIME, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE FULL PROCESS. AND SOME OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO, ALTHOUGH MAYBE NOT WELL IN THIS EXAMPLE, UM, WAS TO, UM, STREAMLINE IT AND UM, MAKE SURE THAT THE ITEMS THAT WERE IN THE DECISION PACKAGES WERE POLICY DECISIONS. UM, AND THAT IF THERE WAS ROUTINE MAINTENANCE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, WE FELT WE NEEDED TO JUST GET THOSE TAKEN CARE OF. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE HAPPY TO, IF YOU WANNA VOTE ON ANY OF THESE, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL. UM, BUT YEAH, WE WERE TRYING TO, UM, I GUESS I WAS WARY, WARY OF GIVING YOU A DECISION PACKAGE LIST WITH LIKE A HUNDRED THINGS ON IT THAT'S LIKE TOTALLY UNMANAGEABLE IN THIS SETTING AND TRYING TO MAKE SOME EXECUTIVE, UM, JUDGMENT ON WHAT REALLY RISES TO THE LEVEL. UM, SO, BUT I DON'T RECALL THE PLOW REPLACEMENT SITUATION. SO SORRY ABOUT THAT ONE. IT WAS ONLY A BIG PLOW. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. YEAH, THIS IS THE ATTACHMENT. IT'S NOT THAT, [07:15:01] THIS IS JUST THE CUTTING EDGES. SO ANYTIME WE HAVE ACCUMULATION OF SNOW OF SIX, EIGHT INCHES, WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE EDGES. WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING LOW ON THAT. SO WE DIDN'T GET THAT LAST YEAR. WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A WINTER THIS YEAR. IT WAS REALLY IN PREPARING FOR NEXT YEAR. SO AGAIN, WE HAVE THAT STUFF ON HAND. THAT WASN'T THE QUESTION. I WE APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT IS. I, WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE POINT OF THINGS BEING TREATED CONSISTENTLY FOR OUR DECISION PROCESS. I THINK WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, BUT I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT I JUST WANNA STAY ON TRACK OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET TO. AND SO I HAVE AN OPINED ON THIS AT ALL. I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT ANNETTE IS TRYING TO SAY. THERE'S ARE SMALL ITEMS IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS PUT TOGETHER. I'M FINE WITH THE WAY YOU DID IT. I UNDERSTAND HOW OTHER ITEMS ARE DECISION PACKAGES, BUT THESE ARE ALL SMALL ITEMS IN AND OF THEMSELVES. SO I'M FINE. I DON'T KNOW. BUT THE REST OF US HERE, STERLING. YEAH. SO THE REPLACEMENT PLOW IS $8,000. THE VEHICLE OUTPUTTING COST MAKES UP THE REMAINING AMOUNT AND UNDER ZERO BASED BUDGETING, ALL OF THESE, UH, BUDGETARY INCREASE WOULD BECOME FORWARD AS A DECISION PACKAGE. SO THE CITY DOES DO A MODIFIED VERSION OF ZERO BASED BUDGETING, UH, WITH A THRESHOLD OF $25,000 OR ABOVE. UM, THAT'S THE ANSWER. THAT'S THE ANSWER. THANK YOU, STERLING. OKAY. I I WOULD JUST SAY THOUGH, TO FINISH THIS COMMENT IS THAT THE HUB UPGRADES ARE $78,600. OKAY. IN THE PARKS AND REC BOOK NOW IS NUMBER TWO, AV UPGRADES, PROJECTOR SCREENS, KITCHEN UPGRADES. IS THAT THE HUB OR IS THAT SOMETHING ELSE? THAT'S THE HUB. SEE, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE 18. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE REAL COST IS. SO IT'S 78,000 PLUS 18,000 SO THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT IN ONE PLACE. THEN ANOTHER PLACE. WELL WHO'S CHARGING? WHO ARE YOU CHARGING IT TO? IS THIS COMING FROM OUT OF PUBLIC WORKS OR IS THIS BEING CHARGED TO THE HUB? THIS WOULD COME OUT OF PUBLIC WORKS. THERE'S ACTUALLY A SEPARATION FOR WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT. RIGHT. WHICH YOU ALL UNDERSTAND. AND WE ACTUALLY, ANNETTE AND I WENT THROUGH THIS EXERCISE WHERE WE WENT THROUGH AND PICKED OUT ALL THESE, THERE WERE LIKE SIX HUB DECISION PACKAGES AT ONE POINT AND WE TRIED TO CONSOLIDATE ALL OF THE HUB. OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T PICK OUT THIS INDIVIDUAL ITEM BECAUSE IT WASN'T A DECISION PACKAGE. UM, BUT WE DID TRY TO DO THAT FOR YOU ALL BECAUSE WE UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE HOW MUCH ARE WE GONNA SPEND THIS YEAR ON THE HUB AND RIGHT. EXACTLY. THANK YOU. SO THAT WAS OUR INTENT. OKAY, DEREK AND THEN BRIAN NOW LET'S MOVE ON. I'M FINE WITH THE WAY THIS IS, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING DOWN INTO THE WEEDS OF THE WEEDS OF THE WEEDS ON SOME OF THIS STUFF. AND I MEAN, AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO TRUST STAFF TO EXERCISE DISCRETION THAT WHAT IS A, YOU KNOW, HIGH LEVEL ITEM THAT SHOULD BE COMING FOR COUNCIL AND WHAT'S A MOP SINK OR A, YOU KNOW, SO OKAY. RESPONSE TO THAT THOUGH, IT'S NOT ABOUT TRUSTING OR NOT TRUSTING STAFF. IT'S ABOUT US UP HERE UNDERSTANDING WHAT A PROJECT COSTS AND OTHER COSTS THAT WE MAY NOT BE CONSIDERING WHEN WE MAKE A DECISION THAT FACTOR IN. AND WE DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN'T LOOK AT THE IT HOLISTICALLY BASED ON THE, THE, THE THING THAT'S BEING TOUCHED. IT'S BEING TOUCHED BY ALL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND BECAUSE THAT'S SEPARATED OUT, WE DON'T KNOW THE FINAL PROJECT COSTS. SO IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT, IT'S ABOUT OUR UNDERSTANDING JUST AS A RESPONSE. THANK YOU. OKAY, BRIAN. THANKS MAYOR. UM, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A, YOU KNOW, POSTMORTEM HERE OF OKAY, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO DIFFERENTLY NEXT TIME AROUND? RIGHT? LIKE, I MEAN, I DON'T CARE TO SEE THAT IT WAS $770 FOR HUB FITNESS EQUIPMENT, FOR BASIC FITNESS CLASSES, YOU KNOW, OR THE $3,600 FOR THREE SAMSUNG GALAXY Z FOLD FIVE CELL PHONES. UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T NEED TO TO TO KNOW ABOUT THAT. UM, AND, AND MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME DIRECTION TO US THAT OKAY, LIKE THE LIST WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, LIKE THAT'S REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE AN FYI MORE THAN ANYTHING, AS LONG AS WE JUST UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS RATHER THAN US JUMPING INTO THE WEEDS ON IT. UM, WHAT ACTUALLY GOT MY ATTENTION ON WHAT WAS A ONE-TIME VERSUS A DECISION PACKAGE ACTUALLY WAS THE HOUSING STRATEGY CONSULTANT AT $105,000. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SHOWN AS A ONE TIME BECAUSE IT WAS VIEWED AS A SLAM DUNK THAT, WELL, OF COURSE WE'RE ALL GONNA WANT THAT. OTHERWISE AT 105 KI WOULD'VE ASSUMED THAT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A DECISION PACKAGE. AND WE'RE CERTAINLY GONNA SEE IT IF THE ACTUAL CONTRACT COMES IN ABOVE A HUNDRED K. SO THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT SURPRISED ME THAT WAS SHOWING UP AS A ONE TIME AND NOT IN A DECISION PACKAGE. CAN I OFFER ONE MORE CLARIFICATION AND I'LL MAKE IT FAST, I PROMISE. PLEASE. BECAUSE WE WANNA MOVE ON . SO FOR THE MOST PART, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE ARE ALL REPLACEMENT MAINTENANCE THINGS. MM-HMM . THAT'S PUBLIC WORKS. [07:20:01] WHAT YOU SAW FOR THE HUB FROM, UH, PARKS AND REC IS AN UPGRADE. IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. I GOT IT. OKAY. IT SAYS A UPGRADE. UPGRADE. I, I, I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT'S WHY I SAID FOR THE MOST PART, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S A REPLACEMENT OF, OF THE AV SYSTEM THAT'S THERE, THAT'S NOT FUNCTIONING WELL. RIGHT. THEY PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID UPGRADE ON THAT DESCRIPTION. AND, OOPS. OKAY. AM I MAY I, UM, JUST COMMENT ON THE, OF COURSE, THE CONSULTANT CONTRACT, THE 105. SO WHAT I WAS THINKING OF WHEN I WAS PUTTING ALL OF THIS TOGETHER WAS, OKAY, I KNOW WHAT THE COUNCIL'S TOP PRIORITIES ARE FROM THE PRIORITY SETTING AND WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM ALL OF YOU, AND THE NEED FOR HOUSING PLAN AND ALL OF THAT. SO I, UM, AGAIN, JUST I GUESS, ASSUMED THAT IF I WAS BUILDING THE HOUSING BUDGET, YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE THESE THINGS AS THE PRIMARY ACTIVITY FOR THE HOUSING FUND IN THE NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT IT AND ASKED ABOUT IT, AND IT'S IN YOUR PRIORITIES. AND SO, UM, BUT I, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE PUT IT AS A DECISION PACKAGE, BUT, UM, THAT WAS THE REASON WHY THAT ONE WAS IN. SURE. THIS WON'T TAKE VERY LONG, I PROMISE. WHAT I KEEP HEARING FROM, FROM PEOPLE IN SOME REGARDS IS WHEN JOSH COMES BACK TO TELL US ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT THE PARK, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SHOULD PROBABLY COME BACK AND DO IS TELL US WHAT THE HUB'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THE BENEFIT IS TO THE COMMUNITY FROM ALL THE WORK THAT'S HAPPENING AT THE HUB, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH REPLACEMENTS OR THROUGH UPGRADES OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE THAT'LL GIVE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY A REALLY GOOD PICTURE OF WHAT WE JUST AGREED TO DO FOR THOSE VARIOUS PROJECTS. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. JUST PASSING THAT ALONG AS A THOUGHT. OKAY. ARE YOU GOOD? YEAH, KURT, I'M, I'M GOOD. UM, WE CAN GO TO THE DECISION PACKAGE PAGE. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, CITY MANAGERS AND ALL THAT RECOMMENDED THOSE YES. ON THE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS FOR THE TCAS, THAT'S TO GIVE US MORE FULL TIME, UH, FOR TIME, WHICH SEEMS TO BE A BIGGER HIGHER DEMAND THAT THAT'S THE FACE OF THE CITY AS PEOPLE ARE ENTERING. UM, ALL THOSE ARE PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY. IF YOU WANT ME TO EXPOUND ON THEM, I PLEA I WILL. BUT I LIKE JUST ONE THING ON THE DEAD TREE REMOVAL, EXPLAIN. IS THAT GONNA BE WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT COST US WAY MORE THAN $35,000. THAT'S WHY WE MADE IT AS A DECISION PACKAGE, BECAUSE WE WANT TO INCREASE AND FOCUS ON THAT. AND PART OF THAT WAS TO GET, UH, ARBORISTS TO HELP US DECIDE IS IT ALIVE, IS IT DEAD? AND WELL, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO, BUT THAT WOULD BE ON CITY PROPERTY, NOT OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY. RIGHT? OH, YEAH. NO, THIS IS ALL, BUT THEN THE CITY RIGHT AWAY AND OUR PARKS FOLLOWING, UH, DIRECTIONS OF OUR FIREWISE BECAUSE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I GET A COMMENT FROM A NEIGHBOR THAT SAYS, OH, THAT THE GUY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, HE DOESN'T REALLY, IT'S A VACANT LOT. CAN YOU GO HAVE THE CITY COME AND KNOCK DOWN THOSE TREES BECAUSE THEY'RE DEAD? AND I ALWAYS SAY NO, BUT CALL THE OWNER WHO OF THE PROPERTY WE DO. BUT IT IT, IT, WHEN WE'RE PUSHED IN THE SUB AND THE FIRE MARSHALS DIRECTING THAT, YES, THEN WE WILL END UP DOING THAT. BUT THAT'S USUALLY A DIRECTED BY SOMEONE ELSE. I GOT IT. THANK YOU. BUT WE DON'T DO THAT VOLUNTARILY YET. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE DECISION PACKAGES? YEAH, JUST ON THE DECISION PACKAGES. YEAH. PERFECT. SO, UM, I KNOW I READ THIS IN THE PACKET, SO I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE. COULD YOU, UM, I'M ASSUMING ANNETTE OR ANDY, COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THE WORKING GROUP SAID NO ON THE TWO C ON THE CONVERTING THE TCA, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? OH, WELL, BARBARA, YEAH, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. UM, THEY FELT THAT THE COST WAS TOO HIGH AND THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW CONVERTING A POSITION COULD STILL COST A, UM, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. BUT THAT, I THINK WHAT THEY, THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT IT WASN'T THAT WE WERE EXACTLY CONVERTING, BUT YOU HAVE PART-TIME AND YOU'RE MAKING FULL-TIME, AND THEY WERE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE COST, BASICALLY. SO HERE, THE ONGOING COST THOUGH, IS NOT JUST SALARY IF THEY'RE FULL-TIME, IT'S ALSO WHATEVER OTHER PACKAGES YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM IN ORDER THE BENEFITS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH TIME PEOPLE DON'T RECEIVE. YEAH, THANKS PETE. IF NO, ON THE MUNICIPAL POWER WASH, WHAT THEN WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO ABSORB THAT WITHIN OUR OPERATION BUDGET. AND THE REASON IS, IS WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT DECISION PACKAGE IS BECAUSE IT, WE POWER WASH, UM, UPTOWN, UH, ALL THE TRANSIT STOPS AND PARKS AND RESTROOMS, WHAT WE'RE FINDING, WE'RE GETTING OVER TIME, MORE REQUESTS TO DO SO OVER AND [07:25:01] OVER AGAIN. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, UM, IN THIS OUTSOURCING, UM, IN-HOUSE MAKING A DECISION PIVOT POINT ON WHAT'S THE BEST VALUE FOR THE CITY. UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A GREAT VENDOR THAT'S HELPING US DO THAT. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT, BUT IF IT'S VOTED NO, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO ABSORB IN OUR OPERATION BUDGET. ANNETTE, ANY OTHER COMMENT? YOU'RE THE NO, UM, WELL, WHEN, UM, WE DISCUSSED THIS ONE, UH, WE HAVE STAFF ON HOUSE TO DO THIS TYPE OF WORK, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IN THE PAST, THE DEPARTMENT HAD ASKED FOR, UM, POWER WASHING EQUIPMENT OF OUR OWN TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS AS AN IN-HOUSE FUNCTION AND NOT CONTRACT IT OUT. AND, UM, I GUESS JUST HONESTLY, I WASN'T CONVINCED THAT THERE, THAT WE NEEDED TO DO BOTH IN-HOUSE AND CONTRACT OUT WITH SOMEBODY AT 50,000 TO, UM, TO DO THIS. MY UNDERSTANDING, THE FREQUENCY HAS INCREASED OVER TIME BASED UPON INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND MERCHANTS. AND NOW WE'RE EXPANDING TO DO A LOT OF OUR WASHING IS DONE AT THOSE TRANSIT CENTERS, GARBAGE CANS AND SO ON, WHERE THEY'RE BASICALLY LEAKING OUT AND CREATING A STAIN. SO THAT'S WHERE WE SPEND A LOT OF OUR IN-HOUSE TIME, WHERE THE, THE VENDOR TIME, IT'S CALLED TLC, PROVIDES REALLY GOOD VALUE TO THE CITY AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND DOING UPTOWN, HOW'S GUM ON THE SUVS REMOVED? YEAH. SO HOW IS GUM ON? USUALLY THAT'S SCRAPED OFF. WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAUL A PRESSURE WASHER JUST TO GO AND DO A SPOT. IT'S WHAT, IT'S BASED ON THE NEED. BUT WE EXPECT THAT IF WE CONCENTRATE PEOPLE, THAT'S WHERE YOU TYPICALLY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO POWER WASH. SO WHEN THE COUNCIL'S PUSHING US TO PUT BENCHES OR SHADE STRUCTURES, WE EXPECT EVENTUALLY WILL BE POWER WASHING THERE TOO. AGAIN, EXPANDING SERVICES. OKAY. DEREK, UM, ELABORATE FOR ME AGAIN ON THE, SO THE DEAD TREE REMOVAL, THIS 35,000, THIS IS AN ADD-ON OR AN EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING THE ARBORIST. THIS IS TO HIRE AN ARBORIST, JUST TO HIRE THE ARBORIST TO HELP US FOR ALL OF THE AMOUNT OF THAT WE'RE SPENDING. WE'RE WATCHING THE TREND AND WE'RE SPENDING A LOT MORE OF THIS IF WE JUST DO IT, UM, WITHIN OUR OWN HOUSE STAFF IS, WITHOUT HAVING A LICENSE ARBORIST, WE GET A LOT OF PUSHBACK WITH PEOPLE WHO SAY IT'S NOT DEAD, IT'S NOT SICK. OKAY. SO WE WOULD JUST WANT TO HAVE THAT LEVEL OF DATA AND AUTHORITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION. UM, SO WE CAN QUICKLY KEEP MOVING ON AND ADDRESS THIS. SO JUST SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS, WE'RE NOT SPENDING ONLY $35,000 CITYWIDE ON DEAD TREE? NO, THAT'S, THERE'S A BIG PART OF OUR BUDGET. WE DO IN-HOUSE LANDSCAPING WITHIN OUR PARKS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. THAT INCLUDES A DOTS WHERE WE'RE ADDRESSING DEAD PLANTS AND SO ON. AND, OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'RE TRYING TO REMOVE THEM BEFORE THEY'RE DEAD. OKAY. GO. THE QUESTIONS I SEE SUSTAINABILITY THEN. I DON'T KNOW. SUSTAINABILITY. WELL, THANK YOU ALL. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, KURT. WHICH PAGE IS THAT? SUSTAINABILITY? THAT WOULD BE 93. THANK YOU. THE TINY LITTLE NUMBERS ON THERE. TEASING YOU. 'CAUSE WE'RE OLD . OKAY, BRYCE. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, MY NAME'S BRYCE BECO, SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER. UH, SO WITH OUR, UH, OVERALL BUDGET, UH, THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS RESPECTIVE YEAR, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF OF CHANGES, UH, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITHIN OUR OPERATING BUDGET. UH, THE MAIN DRIVERS, UH, THAT YOU SEE, OBVIOUSLY THE SALARY AND BENEFITS PIECE. UH, THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UH, SECTION IS MAINLY ASSOCIATED WITH COMPOSTING. UH, SO IT'S THE COMPOSTING, UH, SERVICES AT THE CITY FACILITIES AS WELL AS THE COMPOSTING, UH, THAT IS TAKEN CARE OF BY OUR VENDOR, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY COMPOSTING PROGRAM. UH, THAT CONTRACT THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THEM HAS STAYED RELATIVELY STEADY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AND DIDN'T HAVE ANY INCREASES. SO AFTER FOUR OR FIVE YEARS RUNNING THAT PROGRAM, I ANTICIPATING THAT THE, THE COSTS WILL GO UP A LITTLE BIT ON THE COMPOSTING SIDE OF THINGS, UH, THAT WILL DRIVE UP THAT, UH, COMPONENT TO IT. UH, WE GENERALLY TRY TO, UH, KEEP OUR PROGRAMMING, AS YOU WELL KNOW, ALL KIND OF ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UH, CLIMATE ACTION PLAN PROGRAMMING AREAS, SO BUILDINGS AND ENERGY, TRANSPORTATION AND LAND USE, UH, MATERIALS AND CONSUMPTION, UH, WATER AND NATURAL SYSTEMS AND CLIMATE RESILIENCY. UH, SO WE'VE, UH, HAD A NUMBER OF PROGRAMMING, [07:30:01] UH, OPTIONS THAT HAVE KIND OF BEEN WENT WITHIN THAT OVER THE, OVER THE YEAR. UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING, UH, WITHIN OUR BUDGET BEING ABLE TO, UH, LAUNCH A FEW ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS WITHIN THAT. UH, THERE'S BEEN, UH, INTEREST FOR, UH, A HEPA AIR FILTER PROGRAM, UH, FOR, UH, LIKE WILDFIRE, UH, PREPAREDNESS AND THE LIKE FOR HOMES. UH, WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO LAUNCH THAT WITHIN OUR CURRENT FUNDING, UH, ALLOTMENTS, UH, FOR THAT. AS WELL AS, UH, WE'RE EXPLORING A, UH, AC LOAN PROGRAM, UH, FOR FOLKS THAT HAVE, SAY AN AC UNIT GO OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER AND IT'S 105. AND SO, UH, BEING ABLE TO GET A, A PORTABLE AC UNIT TO THEIR HOME FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, UH, TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF STILL PROVIDE THAT SERVICE, UH, OF BEING ABLE TO COOL DOWN THEIR RESPECTIVE PROPERTY, UM, AS THEY CAN TRY TO WEATHER THOSE HIGH IMPACT MONTHS OF THE LIKE. SO THOSE ARE TWO KIND OF THE MAIN, UH, PROGRAMS, UH, THAT WE CAN STILL, UH, BE ABLE TO LAUNCH WITHIN OUR CURRENT OPERATING BUDGET. UH, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, WITHIN THAT, UH, THERE IS A WATER CONSERVATION BUSINESS PROGRAM, UH, THAT WE'RE, UH, PARTNERING WITH ARIZONA WATER COMPANY ON, WITH THE GOAL OF LAUNCHING THAT HERE IN LATE SUMMER, UH, EARLY FALL. UH, THAT WOULD STILL ALSO BE WITHIN OUR PROGRAMMING, UH, OPERATION BUDGETS FOR THE RIPPLE EFFECT EFFORTS, UH, THAT, UH, I'M SURE YOU HAVE ALL, UH, SEEN, UH, DIFFERENT MARKETING THROUGHOUT THE, THE YEAR ON AND THE LIKE. AND, UH, JUST VERY HAPPY TO SAY THAT KEEPS SEDONA BEAUTIFUL, RECENTLY RECOGNIZED, UH, THOSE EFFORTS, UH, FOR, UH, AN ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP AWARD. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. UM, I DO ALSO WANNA HIGHLIGHT ONE OTHER, UH, UH, INFORMA BIT OF NEWS THAT I'LL ALSO WILL COME UP TOMORROW. UM, THE, WE JUST GOT WORD VERY, UH, LATE LAST NIGHT THAT, UH, OUR APPLICATION FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY CONSERVATION BLOCK GRANT, UH, THAT'S RELATED TO THE, UH, DECARBONIZATION DESIGN, UH, WORK FOR ONE OF THE CIP PROJECTS, UH, WAS APPROVED. UH, AND SO WE'RE, UH, THAT AWARD AMOUNT IS, UH, IS $250,000. WOW. UH, THAT WERE, UH, AWARD FOR THAT. SO, UH, THAT WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU HERE SHORTLY, UH, FOR REVIEW AND THE LIKE. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT ONE. UH, WE'RE, WE'RE QUITE ANTICIPATING US SKIDDING THAT ONE, BUT, UH, IT CAME THROUGH. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. CONGRATULATIONS, BRYCE. WHERE'S THAT MONEY COMING FROM? SO, IT'S DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY MONEY, UH, THAT IS BEING, UH, WAS DISTRIBUTED TO THE, UH, GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF RESILIENCY, AND THEN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF RESILIENCY, UH, UH, ARIZONA, E-E-C-B-G, UH, PROGRAM, UH, WAS OPEN FOR MUNICIPALITIES AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT, UM, WEREN'T, UH, ELIGIBLE FOR THE LARGER E-E-C-B-G UH, PROGRAM AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. UH, AND SO WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR THAT 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR THE ONE, UH, AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. MAYBE WE'RE LUCKY, I THINK. SO BRIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR BRYCE, IT'S NOT IN YOUR BUDGET PER SE, BUT IT CERTAINLY PERTAINS TO SUSTAINABILITY. CAN YOU JUST COMMENT ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF OR EXPERIENCE WITH RURAL COMMUNITIES, UH, FUNDING EITHER DIRECTLY OR, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY SUBSIDIZING RECYCLING PROGRAMS VERSUS MAKING IT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PRODUCER OF SAID WASTE? GREAT QUESTION. UH, FROM MY, UH, UNDERSTANDING WITH, UH, RURAL COMMUNITIES IS THAT, UH, AND I HONESTLY EVEN PUT THIS INTO LARGER, UH, MUNICIPALITIES AS WELL, UH, WITH THE WAY THE CURRENT STRUCTURE HAS BEEN SET UP, A LOT OF THE RECYCLING, UH, EFFORTS KIND OF FALL ON THE MUNICIPALITIES, UH, TO HELP, UH, FUND OR OFFSET OR ENCOURAGE, UH, RECYCLING EFFORTS AND HAVE, UH, OUTSIDE ADDITIONAL PARTNERSHIPS AND THE LIKE. UM, A LOT OF THE EFFORTS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE PLACED ON THE PROVIDER OR THE PRODUCER OF THOSE MATERIALS, UH, HAS FACED, UH, PUSHBACK, UM, LOBBYING FIRMS OR THE, LIKE, HAVE HAD KIND OF, UH, AN OUT OUT OUTSIZED WEIGHTED ROLE AND KIND OF PUSHING BACK ON IT, CITY OF FLAGSTAFF HAD A, UH, I FORGOT HOW MANY YEARS AGO NOW, BUT THEY, THEY TRIED TO IMPLEMENT A PLASTIC BAG BAN, UH, AND WHEN THEY WENT TO DO THAT, THE STATE LEGISLATURE CAME BACK WITH A BAN ON BANS. UH, SO THE, UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S LESS ABILITY FOR, TO MOVE THAT LEVER OF IT. UH, SO MOST OF THE MUNICIPALITIES HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, OF THAT COMPONENT. OKAY. AND ARE WE UNIQUE, DO YOU THINK THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE WASTE HAULER THAT PROVIDES DEDICATED CURBSIDE RECYCLING? NO, UH, DEFINITELY NOT UNIQUE FOR, UH, FOR SMALL RURAL COMMUNITIES. UH, GENERALLY OUR RURAL COMMUNITIES WILL, [07:35:01] WILL HAVE A VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF WASTE HAULERS, UH, IN THE AREA. UH, AND SO BEING IN THAT POSITION WHERE WE HAVE AT THIS POINT KIND OF ONE WASTE HAULER WITH THE, UH, BETWEEN WASTE MANAGEMENT, A LITTLE BIT OF TAILORED WASTE, LIKE IT'S A, IT'S A SMALL POOL AND THAT'S NOT UNIQUE, UH, FOR SEDONA OR THE RURAL COMMUNITIES. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU AND CONGRATS ON THAT GRANT. THAT IS QUITE THE SURPRISE. AND, UH, GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, CONTINUE ON, BRYCE. UH, SO THE DECISION PACKAGE, UH, THAT WAS, UH, SUBMITTED, UH, WAS A, AN OBJECTIVE THAT, UH, WAS IN OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. IT WAS TO IMPLEMENT A COMPREHENSIVE, SUSTAINABLE, UH, PROCUREMENT POLICY. UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME KIND OF STOP STARTS OVER THE YEARS ON WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, UH, WHAT CAN KIND OF GO INTO THAT. UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE LACKING, UH, WAS WHAT WE FELT WE WERE LACKING IS ADDITIONAL DATA JUST TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT, UH, A PUSH FOR ONE PRODUCT OR ANOTHER. I, UH, DIDN'T WANT OUR, UH, OUR DEPARTMENT, OUR EFFORTS TO BE SAYING, HEY, WE NEED TO BUY THESE TYPE OF PENS OR WHATNOT, WHEN THAT ISN'T LIKE OUR BIGGEST AREA OF, OF, UH, IMPACT. UH, SO THE NOTION BEHIND THE, UH, PROCUREMENT, UH, PROCURED PRODUCTS AND WASTE AUDIT WAS ESSENTIALLY TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, OUR SPENDING, GET US AN IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE AT, UH, WITH, UH, OUR VARIOUS, UH, PRODUCTS THAT WE PROCURE, BUSINESS TRAVEL, UH, AND THE LIKE, UH, AND BE ABLE TO HELP US IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES FOR BOTH THE PROCUREMENT OF, UH, THINGS, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, WHERE WE POTENTIALLY, UH, BE ABLE TO TRY TO BUILD THOSE PARTNERSHIPS THAT ARE CURRENTLY, UM, UH, AS WE REFERENCED EARLIER, IT WAS DIFFICULT, UH, FOR RURAL COMMUNITIES TO GET. UH, AND SO THE ASPECT WOULD HAVE A RESEARCH, UH, GROUP WITH US TO TRY TO HELP US FIND WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES MAY BE DOING THAT, THAT HAVE KIND OF OVERCOME THOSE RESPECTIVE HURDLES. UH, AND THE OTHER COMPONENT OF IT IS, IS THAT WAS MORE THAT INFORMATION IS CONSOLIDATED AND LIKE WE CAN HELP, UH, IT'LL HELP US BUILD OUT OUR SCOPE THREE EMISSIONS, UH, CATEGORIES THAT WE, UH, WE CALCULATE CURRENTLY WE CALCULATE TWO OF THEM. UH, THERE'S 13 IN TOTAL. UH, A LOT OF THEM ARE SPEND BASED, UH, UTIL SPEND BASED DATA FOR THE SCOPE THREE SIDE OF THINGS. UH, SO IT'D HELP US START TO BUILD THAT PLATFORM, UH, GOING FORWARD. UH, THERE ARE CERTAIN PARTS OF IT THAT WE, UH, COULD BRING IN HOUSE, UH, OR, AND HAVE ADDITIONAL, UH, CHATS WITH FINANCE, UH, AND OUR, UH, FELLOW DEPARTMENTS AND THE LIKE ON, UH, WHAT WE CAN KIND OF MODIFY OR GET THE BEST DATA OUT OF IT. UM, BUT THE, THE INITIAL ASK WAS TO SEE IF WE CAN LEVERAGE SOME OF OUR, OUR OUTSIDE, UH, SOURCES TO HELP US WITH THAT. IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN SPEAK TO MY RECOMMENDATION OR WOULD YOU PLEASE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. OKAY. UM, SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS TYPE OF PROJECT OR THE SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVES OR ANYTHING. UM, THE ISSUE FOR ME IS THAT IN THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE'RE GONNA BE IMPLEMENTING THE NEW ERP SYSTEM, AND WE ARE GOING TO BE DEMANDING A LOT OF INTERNAL TIME OF STAFF TO GET THAT SOFTWARE SYSTEM IMPLEMENTED. AND IT WILL AFFECT EVERY BUSINESS PROCESS THAT WE DO. AND I FELT LIKE OUR TEAM JUST DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ALSO TAKE ON A SUBSTANTIAL PROJECT LIKE THIS ON TOP OF THAT. UM, WHICH WILL ALSO CAUSE UH, CHANGE IMPLEMENTATION AND THE TYPES OF PRODUCTS WE'RE SAYING WE'RE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO ORDER, YOU KNOW, FROM ASPHALT TO WHATEVER. AND IT'S JUST A LOT OF CHANGE MANAGEMENT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND, UM, I WANT, WHEN WE DO THESE THINGS, I WANT THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND I WANT THE STAFF TO EMBRACE IT. AND IF WE'RE ASKING 'EM TO DO TOO MUCH ALL AT THE SAME TIME WITH CHANGES TO BUSINESS PROCESSES AND EVERYTHING, UM, I WORRY THAT, THAT IT WOULDN'T BE A SUCCESSFUL IMPLEMENTATION. SO I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THIS IN A FUTURE YEAR. BUT I FEEL LIKE OUR PRIORITY FOR STAFF TIME IS GOING ON NON, UM, SERVICE PROJECTS TO THE PUBLIC IS REALLY NEEDS TO BE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ERP AND GETTING ALL OF THOSE BUSINESS PROCESSES DEALT WITH AND DATA CONVERTED AND ALL OF THAT. SO THAT'S KIND OF IN THE WEEDS, BUT JUST MY CONCERN, THE CAPACITY OF THE STAFF TO DO THIS IN ADDITION. PETE, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. UH, BRYCE, EXCUSE ME. JUST IN TERMS OF THE CLIMATE WE'RE IN CURRENTLY, YOU'RE USING PRODUCTS AND WASTE AUDIT WASTE MEANS MORE OF LIKE WHAT'S GOING TO THE TRASH AND PREVENTING THAT VERSUS WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE? UH, CAN YOU REPEAT THE LAST PART PLEASE? I'M SORRY. WASTE MEANS DIVERTING FROM THE TRASH, NOT GOING TO THE TRASH VERSUS WASTE, FRAUD [07:40:01] AND ABUSE. YES. YEAH. THE, THE WASTE COMPONENT OF THE MATERIAL THAT WE HAVE THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE, IS IT GOING TO LANDFILL? DO WE HAVE A RECYCLING? IS THERE AN UPCYCLE OPPORTUNITY FOR IT? THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, BY THE WAY, BRYCE, HOW ARE THOSE NEW TRASH CANS WORKING OUT? THE ELECTRONIC ONES, LIKE YOU HAVE PHOTOED HERE. UH, ARE THEY WORKING OUT? ARE THEY NOT BEING VANDALIZED? ARE THEY BEING UTILIZED? UH, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF, UH, LITTLE HICCUPS ON THE SOFTWARE SIDE OF THINGS WHERE A COUPLE OF BATTERIES WENT DEAD ON 'EM, AND THEN THEY WERE GIVING US FALSE SIGNALS ON, UH, HOW FULL THEY WERE AND, AND, AND THE LIKE WITH THEM. SO WE'VE HAD A, A COUPLE OF CHALLENGES TO GET THROUGH WITH THAT. UH, I HAVEN'T, UH, HEARD ANY RESPONSES ON VANDALISM, UH, TO THE RECEPTACLES, UH, OR THE LIKE, UM, WE'RE JUST, ACTUALLY, I THINK IT WAS, IT'S TODAY WE'RE SUBMITTING OUR, THE FINAL STATUS REPORT FOR THE A DEQ GRANT, UH, WHICH THOSE, THOSE, UH, RECEPTACLES ARE, ARE FOR, UH, A DEQ HAS BEEN, UH, VERY PLEASED WITH THE, THE PROGRESS OF, OF THOSE RECEPTACLES. SO, UH, I THINK OVERALL THEY'VE BEEN WELL RECEIVED. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO WORK OUT SOME, UH, LITTLE SOFTWARE ISSUES AND SOME, UH, LOGISTICAL, UH, COMPONENTS WITH STAFF ON THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY, UH, MELISSA? SO I'M REALLY DOING THIS AS A PLUG BRYCE. UM, SO MAY 10TH YOU HAVE A LIMITED ELECTRONICS, UH, RECYCLING EVENT HAPPENING, UH, INSIDE OF YOUR BUDGET. SO THAT WAS MY LITTLE PLUG FOR PEOPLE SHOULD BRING THEIR ELECTRONICS AND WHATEVER OVER TO POSSE GROUND. ALRIGHT. SO HOW MANY OF THESE EVENTS DO YOU HAVE INSIDE OF YOUR, YOUR OPERATING BUDGET ACCOUNTING RIGHT NOW? 'CAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL WHEN I SEE THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE LINED UP. UH, AT THE MOMENT, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE HAD THIS YEAR WE HAD TWO, LAST YEAR WE HAD THREE. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO BUILD OUT, UH, ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES WITH OUR, UH, FELLOW COMMUNITIES. UH, LAST, UH, LAST YEAR WE WERE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH, UH, COCONINO COUNTY ON, UH, A MONTH'S PARK DROP OFF THAT ALLOWED SEDONA RESIDENTS TO, UH, STOP AT THAT ONE AND DROP OFF, UH, ADDITIONAL MATERIALS. UH, THE COUNTY HAS GONE, IS GOING THROUGH A COUPLE OF CHANGES AT THE MOMENT, SO THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO, UH, BE ABLE TO, TO HELP US OR FACILITATE ADDITIONAL ONE LIKE THAT. UH, SO AT THE MOMENT IT'S TWO, UH, WE HAVE ROOM TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND ON THAT. THE FALL EVENT, UH, IS THE MORE EXPENSIVE ONE. UH, THE, THE FALL EVENT, UH, HAS ALL OF THE, UH, PAINTS, PESTICIDES, UH, HARD TO, THE HARD TO DISPOSE OF CHEMICAL ITEMS THAT KIND OF DRIVE UP THAT COST. UH, THAT EVENT, UH, RUNS RIGHT ABOUT 55 TO $60,000, UH, OR SO FOR THAT ONE. THE SPRING EVENT, UH, HAS, UH, HAS BEEN ABOUT 10 TO 12 OR SO. WOW. UH, WE DO, UH, WE, WE ARE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND ON THAT. UH, IT JUST, THE TIMING KIND OF GOT MESSED UP WITH SOME OF OUR ADDITIONAL, UH, PARTNERS IN THE LIKE, BUT UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT, UH, IT'S BEEN WELL RECEIVED AND AS YOU SAID, THERE'S, WE, WE HAD A RECORD TURNOUT THIS PAST YEAR. UH, AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY TRYING TO FIND MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO GET THOSE TO LAUNCH EFFECTIVELY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . AND THOSE ARE ALL LISTED OUT IN, IN YOUR SUS PAGE THREE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I SAID REFERENCE TO THEM. IT DOESN'T HAVE NUMBERS OF THE EVENTS, BUT IT CERTAINLY REFERENCES THEM. YEAH. IT'S REFERENCED IN, IN THOSE, IN THOSE TABLES. IT'S NOT JUST DISTINCTLY BROKEN OUT WITHIN THAT, BUT THAT'S OUR GOAL IS TO FIND ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, UH, FOR THE DISPOSAL OF THOSE ITEMS. OKAY. I THINK THAT COVERS IT. OKAY. CONTINUE ON BRYCE, WHAT THAT, ARE YOU DONE? YEP. THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAD. ALRIGHT. BRING ON ROXANNE. ALRIGHT. . AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT BEFORE ROXANNE STARTS THAT WHEN YOU SEE THE ONE TIMES FOR ROXANNE'S BUDGET, SOME OF THEM LOOK VERY BIG, BUT I, I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE STANDARD MAINTENANCE EVERY YEAR AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE SEEING AN INCREASE OF 500,000 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ONE TIMES. THE REALITY IS HER, HER BUDGET IS ONLY INCREASING 223,000. THESE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE PLANNED FOR AND BUDGETED UNDER MAJOR MAINTENANCE EVERY YEAR. IT'S JUST CALLING OUT WHAT SPECIFIC THINGS SHE'S DOING THIS YEAR. OKAY. SO I HAVE, I HAVE 12 MINUTES. [07:45:01] UH, OKAY. IT'S SEVEN AND A HALF, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. UH, ROXANNE HOLLAND, DIRECTOR OF WASTEWATER. UM, OVERALL OUR OPERATING BUDGET IS, UM, NOT CHANGING MUCH, UH, AT ALL FROM LAST YEAR OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, THE SALARY ADJUSTMENTS THAT'LL BE DISCUSSED TOMORROW. UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME DECREASE IN OUR OPERATING AND MAINTENANCE BUDGET, WHICH IS RELATED TO THE REPLACEMENT OF OUR UV SYSTEM, WHICH WILL HAVE A LOWER COST FOR BULBS AND, AND REPLACEMENT ITEMS FOR THAT. UM, OUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ARE GOING UP AND I CAN DISCUSS SOME OF THOSE. THOSE ARE, A LOT OF THOSE ARE ONE TIME, UM, COSTS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE NEXT PAGE AS WELL. UM, FOR THOSE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WE'VE GOT A DAM BRICK ANALYSIS THAT IS BEING REQUIRED BY A DWR, THAT'S A $70,000 EFFORT. UM, OUR, OUR, UH, CONTRACTED LAB TESTING HAS GONE UP ABOUT 11,000, BUT ABOUT 6,000 OF THAT IS ADDITIONAL PFAS TESTING THAT WE'VE, WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE. SO WE'RE GONNA DO PFAS TESTING TWICE A YEAR. UM, WE'RE SEEING A, A LARGER NEED FOR SCADA SUPPORT THAT IS A, UH, BASICALLY A PROGRAMMER THAT COMES AND HELPS US WITH OUR AUTOMATED SYSTEM. UM, AND THEN WE ARE DOING A ONE TIME, UH, YARD PIPING PLAN. SO THAT IS ALL THE UNDERGROUND PIPES AT OUR TREATMENT PLANT THAT GO FROM PROCESS TO PROCESS. THE LAST TIME THAT WAS DONE WAS ABOUT 2010, I BELIEVE. AND WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS UPGRADES SINCE THEN. THIS PUTS ALL OF OUR PIPING ON ONE SET OF PLANS SO THAT WHEN WE NEED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO PIPING OR VALVE OFF THINGS OR SOMETHING BREAKS, WE CAN EASILY FIND IT RATHER THAN, UM, SEARCHING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT AS-BUILT DRAWINGS. SO, UM, AND THEN SOME DEAD TREE REMOVAL AT OUR LIFT STATIONS, IT'S 20,000 OF THAT. THE INCREASE IN UTILITIES REFLECTS JUST RATE INCREASES FOR WATER AND ANTICIPATED INCREASES FOR A PS AS WELL. UM, AND THEN WE, WE HAD, WE'VE SEEN SOME DECREASES IN OUR TRAVEL TRAINING MAINLY BECAUSE WE HAD A, A LARGE ONETIME EXPENSE THIS FISCAL YEAR FOR SOME CDL TRAINING, WHICH WE WON'T HAVE NEXT YEAR. UM, SO AS BARBARA MENTIONED, UM, OUR ONETIME, MUCH OF EVERYTHING IN HERE IS JUST REPLACING EQUIPMENT. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT THAT IS, UH, NEARING ITS END OF LIFE OR, UM, AS KURT MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THEY KEEP A SPARE POOL PUMP. WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF PUMPS AND WE KEEP A SPARE FOR ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. GOOD. SO WE'VE, WE'VE USED OUR SPARES AND NOW WE NEED TO REPLENISH OUR SPARES. SO THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF THOSE COSTS ARE. UM, THERE'S VERY LITTLE IN, IN THE, UM, ASPECT OF LIKE ADDING A, A SERVICE OR SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE AND ONE OF THOSE IS THE DUMP TRAILER. UM, BUT THAT IS MINIMAL. IT FALLS UNDER THAT $25,000 THRESHOLD AND ACTUALLY WE'LL HELP EFFICIENCIES WITHIN OUR OPERATIONS. AND, UM, CURRENTLY WHEN WE NEED A TRAILER, WE GO TO, UH, RYAN IN MAINTENANCE AND BORROW HIS AND THEN HE'S OUT A TRAILER AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO SOME EFFICIENCIES THERE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE ONE TIME COSTS? NO. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, OUR FTE GROWTH WE ARE, UM, OVER THE YEARS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS WHAT THOSE CHANGES WERE EACH TIME OR YEAH. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW STAFF, UM, AT THE MOMENT. SO THAT'S ALL I HAD. ROXANNE, EXCUSE ME, ROXANNE ON THAT, ON SOME OF THE OTHER FTE CHARTS THAT WE'VE SEEN, WE WENT BACK FURTHER IN YEARS AND WE SAW IT HIGH AND DIP DOWN AND START TO RISE UP. DO YOU KNOW WHAT, HOW DID STAFFING LOOK? 2008, 2009? UM, 2008, 2009 WOULD'VE BEEN 10, PROBABLY THAT 0.5 WAS WHEN I WAS HIRED ON, UM, AS PROJECT MANAGER WITH PUBLIC WORKS. UM, AND THEN ONCE I TRANSFERRED OVER TO WASTEWATER AND BROUGHT THOSE CAPITAL, THE MANAGEMENT OF THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS WITH ME, THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE 10.6 THAT BECAME A WHOLE, AND THEN WE ADDED ONE, ONE OTHER POSITION THAT YEAR SO WISELY DURING THE DOWNTURNS. WE DIDN'T CUT STAFF AT THE WASTEWATER 'CAUSE IT WAS DEEMED CRITICAL. IS THAT CORRECT? I ASSUMED. YEP. THANK YOU, BRIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. HI, ROXANNE. ON, UH, WW FIVE IN OUR BINDER, YOUR KPIS COST FOR COLLECTING [07:50:01] A MILLION GALLONS IS LOOKING LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROJECTING ABOUT A 25% INCREASE IN COST PER MILLION AND THEN ALSO COST PER MILLION GALLONS FOR AQUIFER RECHARGE. ALSO LOOKS LIKE A 25% OR MORE INCREASE IN THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR. MM-HMM . UH, WHAT'S DRIVING THOSE TYPES OF INCREASES? UM, SO IT COULD BE MATERIAL COST, ELECTRICITY, UM, THIS DOES INCLUDE SALARY AND, AND BENEFITS AS WELL, UM, INTO THE CALCULATION. BUT THAT'S 25% THAT, THAT THIS IS PROJECTING. I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG INCREASE. UM, WE WE'RE, WE HAVE INCREASED SOME OF OUR BUDGET, UM, FOR REPAIRING SOME MANHOLES, FOR REPAIRING SOME LATERALS. WE'VE SEEN SOME THINGS AGING AND BREAKING AND SO THAT'S ALL, UM, BUILT INTO THOSE PROJECTIONS. OKAY. UM, HOW MANY MILLION GALLONS DO WE WIND UP PRODUCING A YEAR? 420. OKAY. AND THIS COST PER MILLION GALLONS, THAT'S LITERALLY LIKE FOR, FROM THIS COMING YEAR IT'S 2,500. THAT'S NOT, WELL, IT'S CLEARLY NOT 2.5 MILLION. SO IT'S, IT REALLY IS 2,500. THERE'S NO, UM, RIGHT. SO IT'S $2,500 PER MILLION GALLON PER MILLION GALLON. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK OUR ANNUAL BUDGET MM-HMM . AND WE DIVIDED THAT BY OUR PROJECTED TOTAL FLOW, WHICH IS THE 420 ISH MILLION. OKAY. SO I'M DOING MY MATH HERE. 15 C BARBARA, LEMME PULL UP MY 15. SO 420 AT ANOTHER $500. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND INCREASED COST TO PROCESS OR TO COLLECT IN THAT CASE. RIGHT. OKAY. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY. MELISSA? NO. OKAY. ANYTHING. OKAY. , ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. UH, OKAY. YEAH, CIP IT'S WHAT THE CIP WILL BE. THE CIP WILL BE MORE INVOLVED? YES, EXACTLY. OKAY. SO THEN I'LL PREPARE TO SPEND MORE TIME ON TOMORROW. GOOD. TODAY. OKAY. THIS MEETING WILL BE CONTINUED TOMORROW. 8:00 AM SHARP. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.