May 20, 2025 Planning and Zoning

I JUST REMEMBERED, SO THAT'S GOOD.

I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY TO PLEASE TURN YOUR CELL PHONES OFF.

MY CELL, MYSELF INCLUDED.

[2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF]

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.

ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.

START WITH STAFF.

THE ONLY ANNOUNCEMENT I HAVE IS THAT WE DO HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER ON THE DAAS THIS EVENING.

AND SO IF ROB WANTS TO, IF YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF OR SAY ANYTHING, UM, THIS WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY OR WE CAN JUST WELCOME YOU.

UH, MY NAME IS ROB SMITH.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT IN SEDONA SINCE 2019.

I PRACTICED ARCHITECTURE FOR ALMOST, FOR OVER 40 YEARS IN DES MOINES, IOWA, UH, WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ROCKS AND EVERYTHING'S VERY FLAT.

UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO MY SERVICE ON THE COMMISSION AND MAKING SEDONA A GREAT PLACE.

AND I AM ESPECIALLY HAPPY THAT NOW I GET MORE THAN THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

OKAY, DOES ANYBODY ELSE UP HERE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR ANNOUNCEMENTS? OKAY.

[3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES a. April 15, 2025 (R)]

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES.

APRIL 15TH, 2025.

IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS, IT'LL STAND APPROVED.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC FORUM.

THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.

THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS 38 4 31 0.01 H.

ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.

AND I DON'T SEE ANY CARDS UP HERE RELATED TO THAT AGENDA ITEM.

SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THAT.

MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING

[5.a. Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for a Time Extension/Amendment to a previously approved Development Review application. The Amendment would add a phasing plan to the project and provide additional time for the construction of a 5,000 square foot Meadery/coffee house, 3,000 square foot warehouse, and 15 multifamily housing units (Alkemista). The property is zoned Commercial (CO), is ±0.87 acres, and is located northeast of the intersection of W State Route 89A and Goodrow Lane. APN 408-24-070L & M]

PROCEDURES.

SO WE'LL START WITH FIVE, A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR A TIME EXTENSION AMENDMENT TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION.

THE AMENDMENT WOULD ADD A PHASING PLAN TO THE PROJECT AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL TIME FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT METERY COFFEE HOUSE, 3000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE AND 15 MULTIFAMILY HOUSING UNITS.

ALCHEMIST, THE PROPERTY IS IN COMMERCIAL IS 0.87 ACRES AND IS LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF WASTE WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A AND GOOD ROAD LANE.

A PN 4 0 8 2 4 0 7 0 L AND M.

CARRIE.

OKAY, SO THIS IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED BY GARY, ONE OF OUR SENIOR PLANNERS, OUR SENIOR PLANNER.

OKAY, WE'LL TURN OVER.

THANK YOU, CARRIE.

UH, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND WELCOME.

UM, I WAS REMINDED THAT MY POWERPOINT WAS VERY LONG AND I AGREE.

SO I'M GONNA ZIP THROUGH IT FOR THE MOST PART.

BUT, UH, BE ASSURED THAT EVERYTHING THAT, UH, WAS GONNA GO, I WAS GONNA GO OVER, UM, IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORTS, WHICH I'M SURE YOU READ A HUNDRED PERCENT BEFORE YOU GOT HERE.

SO, WITH THAT, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS ALCHEMIST PZ 2 5 0 0 0 0 2, A TIME EXTENSION SLASH AMENDMENT FOR A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT, UM, PROPOSAL.

UM, THEIR PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE A MEAD BREWERY, UH, COFFEE ROASTING IN 15 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

THE ADDRESS IS 2144 WEST STATE ROUTE, UH, 89 A OR AND 40 GOOD ROW LANE.

THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE SERGIO GOMEZ, UH, GOMA, AND THEY ARE, UH, THE APPLICANT AND THE THE REPRESENTATIVE ARE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AFTER, UH, OR WANT THEM TO PRESENT, THEY'RE HERE.

UM, IT'S APPROXIMATELY A, JUST UNDER AN ACRE, EIGHT POINT 0.87 ACRES.

AND IT'S A VACANT COMMERCIAL SPACE.

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AGAIN, THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN 2021.

THIS IS THE SITE AND HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THERE.

THE PROPERTY LINE HAS BEEN, UH, SINCE THEN, YOU CAN SEE THAT FINE YELLOW LINE.

IT'S BEEN CHANGED SINCE THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL WAS APPROVED IN ANTICIPATION OF THE PHASING AND AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.

AND SO THAT'S THE WILD RESORT TO THE WEST AND WEST MALL PLAZA TO THE SOUTH.

AND MOVIE THEATER AND ENTERPRISE RENTALS, UH, TO THE EAST.

I WENT OVER THIS.

THIS IS JUST A SITE PLAN THAT WAS RE REVIEWED.

UM, AND THIS IS KIND OF THE CHRONOLOGY HERE.

WE WON'T GO THROUGH THAT.

OTHER THAN THAT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID APPROVE THIS ON JUNE 6TH, 2023.

UM, BUILDING PERMITS, UH, THIS IS A TIME EXTENSION REQUEST.

UH, PROJECTS WILL EXPIRE IF THEY'RE NOT ACTED ON.

AND SO, UH, THE APPLICANT IN THE INTEREST OF, OF KEEPING THE PROJECT GOING, HAD TO COME FORWARD AND, AND RE FORTH AND REQUEST A TIME EXTENSION FROM THE, THE BODY THAT APPROVED THIS ORIGINALLY, WHICH IS THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION.

THE, UH, APPLICANT ALSO PROPOSES, WHICH WAS DIFFERENT FROM THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.

UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING A PHASED APPROACH TO THIS.

SO I THINK THEY BETTER UNDERSTAND THE FINANCING AND THE DEVELOPMENT TIMEFRAMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THEY'RE PROPOSING A, UM, PHASED APPROACH.

AND SO IN RECOGNITION OF THAT, WE'VE PROVIDED THIS, UM, TABLE HERE.

THEY WANT TO DO, UM, CONSTRUCT BUILDING NUMBER ONE.

THEY WANNA START IT, UM, IN JULY OF THIS YEAR AND FINISH IT BY 2027 JULY.

SO TWO YEARS.

THEN THEY JUMP TO BUILDING FOUR AS LABELED ON THE SITE PLAN.

UM, THEY WANNA START THAT IN AUGUST OF 2027, AND FINISH THAT ABOUT A YEAR LATER AS WELL.

AND THEN BUILDING THREE, THEY WANNA START THAT IN AUGUST OF 2028.

FINISH THAT, UH, LESS THAN A YEAR LATER IN 2029.

AND THEN BUILDING NUMBER TWO, UH, MAY OF 2029 AND FINISH THAT BY DECEMBER OF THAT YEAR.

SO THIS IS THEIR NEW APPROACH, WHICH IS, IS, UH, BETTER BECAUSE IF THEY RUN INTO ISSUES WITH TIMING, THIS, IF APPROVED, GIVES US THE GUIDANCE, WHAT WE CAN KEEP CONTINUING MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT ASSUMING IT'S EXPIRED.

OR JUST, JUST TO CONFIRM, SO THIS IS THE LATEST SCHEDULE 'CAUSE IT WAS IN CONFLICT WITH THE STAFF REPORT THAT WAS ONLINE .

YEAH, I WAS GONNA GET TO THAT.

WE NOTICED THAT WE HAD DONE BUILDINGS ONE THROUGH FOUR ON OUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT WE NOTICED THAT THE APPLICANT HAD PUT BUILDING FOUR IN ORDER, JUMPED IT UP, AND SO IT THREW US OFF.

SO WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROCESS NOW THAT THEY WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PHASING AND THE, UM, I'LL GIVE YOU A POWERPOINT SLIDE AT THE END THAT SHOWS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF AND IT'S THE CORRECT ORDER.

THANKS FOR FINDING THAT AND BRINGING THAT UP.

UH, STAFF IN THE STAFF REPORT BELIEVE THAT ALL THE CRITERIA FOR THIS DECISION HAS BEEN MET.

UH, I TALKED ABOUT THE PHASING SCHEDULE.

THERE IT IS.

UM, THIS IS, THIS IS JUST A, SHOWS YOU BUILDING ONE IS AGAINST STATE ROUTE 89 A THAT SHOWS YOU BUILDING FOUR IS UP THERE IN GREEN.

AND I TALKED ABOUT THE TIMEFRAMES.

THEY WANT TO WORK ON THOSE.

AND THEN BUILDING THREE, BUILDING TWO, AND THOSE WOULD BE THE FOUR PHASES.

CAN YOU GO BACK? IT JUST WENT A LITTLE BIT FASTER.

YOU START FROM, CAN YOU GO WHAT? YEAH, THANK YOU.

OKAY, GOT THAT.

COULD, COULD YOU NAME WHAT THE BUILDINGS ARE? I THINK I KNOW, BUT I DON'T WANT BE WRONG.

YEAH, SO THAT'S BUILDING NUMBER ONE.

YOU'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE NUMBER OF THE BUILDING? NO, I WANT, THAT'S THE METERY.

CAN, CAN THAT WOULD BE THE METERY, THAT FIRST BUILDING.

AND I BELIEVE THREE UNITS ABOVE AND THE THREE UNITS ARE INCLUDED IN IN PHASE ONE? YES.

AND SO THAT IN THE RECOMMENDED, UM, MOTION, IT STILL STANDS THE FIRST PART OF THE MOTION.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, THE OTHER BUILDINGS I'M NOT AS CLEAR ON, BUT THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND ALSO CARRIE WENT THROUGH THIS REVIEW PROCESS.

SO BUILDINGS FOUR AND THREE ARE HOUSING UNITS, AND THEN BUILDING TWO IS HOUSING UNITS IN A WAREHOUSE STORAGE AREA.

THAT'S THE WAREHOUSE STORAGE AREA.

UM, IT'S BUILDING NUMBER TWO.

AND AS MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS, UH, WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT APPLY TO THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, APPROVAL, AS WELL AS WITH THE PHASE, THE PHASING APPRO, THE PHASED APPROACH.

IT'S SORT OF IN CONFLICT WITH THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IN 2021 BECAUSE IT SAYS MUST BE DONE IN ONE PHASE.

SO WE HAD TO, UM, GO THROUGH THE CODE AND SAY THIS WILL AMEND THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL.

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BUT THEN THE SECOND PART WOULD JUST BE, UM, THIS NEW UPDATED, UM, PHASE, UM, PHASED OUTLINE.

AND THEN SO ALL OTHER CONDITIONS IN THAT ORIGINAL APPROVAL WOULD STAND AS WELL.

AND WITH THAT, I STAND FOR QUESTIONS.

ROB, DO YOU WANNA START? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

UM, HAVE WE HAD ANY OTHER RECENT DEVELOPMENTS PHASED THIS WAY? UM, PARK PLACE DID A PHASING SCHEDULE TO, YOU KNOW, THEY GROUPED DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.

OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

THE, WE'RE WATCHING THAT NOW, YEAH.

SO THAT THEY WOULD START VARIOUS BUILDINGS IN DIFFERENT PHASES, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE END.

I'M NOT REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT END RESULT.

NO.

BUT NO OTHER PROJECTS YOU CAN THINK OF THAT WHAT I'M MM-HMM .

I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I'M JUST CURIOUS.

UH, HAVE THERE BEEN MANY PROJECTS WE SCHEDULE LIKE THIS AND THEN THEY DON'T FINISH OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IN THAT KIND OF WAY? I MEAN, ANY PROJECT CAN'T PHASED OR NOT A PROJECT CANNOT FINISH THAT.

YEAH, THEY DON'T, YEAH.

THEY DECIDE TO STOP BUILDING PARTWAY THROUGH.

UM, OKAY.

BUT NOTHING THAT STICKS OUT IN YOUR MIND? NO.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I HAVE ONE.

SO IS THE JULY 25, IS THAT IN CONCRETE? IF THEY WAIT TILL SEPTEMBER? IS THERE AN ISSUE? ACTUALLY, THAT WOULDN'T REALLY MATTER? UH, OTHER THAN I GUESS THE TIMING OF THE BUILDING PERMIT, BUT THE START OF CONSTRUCTION, UM, I DON'T THINK REALLY, REALLY? WHAT DO YOU THINK, CARRIE? OTHER THAN JUST THE EXPIRATION OF A BUILDING PERMIT? YEAH, SO THEY, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE AN ACTIVE BUILDING PERMIT.

UM, I BELIEVE IF THEY NEED TO GET THAT EXTENDED, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET IT EXTENDED PAST THEN.

SO THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO HAVE THEIR FIRST INSPECTION BY JULY.

AND LIKE GARY SAID, THE APPLICANT IS IN THE AUDIENCE, IF YOU WANNA ASK THEM ABOUT THEIR CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE.

UH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP WAS, UH, THEY REFERRED TO FUNDING AND COMMUNICATION ISSUES.

I'M WONDERING IF THAT HAS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN SORTED OUT OR IS ANTICIPATED TO BE SORTED OUT, AND MAYBE THEY COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

AND THEN ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE WE HAVING A STRONG COMMITMENT THAT THIS WILL BE THE BUILDING PHASING? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE DON'T WANNA SEE IS THE RESIDENTIAL GETS MOVED TO THE END AND THEN THE PROJECT ENDS, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING.

SO IS THERE A COMMITMENT THAT THE 1, 4, 3 2 WILL REMAIN? THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED.

BUT THEY, AGAIN, THEY COULD PROBABLY ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS BETTER THAN WE CAN.

IT'D BE GREAT IF THEY COULD STEP UP.

HELLO, NAME SERGIO GOMA FOR ALTA.

SO, UM, BASICALLY WE HAD FUNDING FOR ALL THESE TO BE STARTED LAST YEAR.

AND, UM, UH, OUR FUNDING, OUR LOAN, UM, EXPIRED SOMETIME, I THINK SECOND WEEK OF JUNE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND WE WERE TRYING TO GET THE CITY TO APPROVE US CONDITIONALLY TO, TO ALLOW US TO START, UM, THE, THE WORK.

BUT, UM, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THEM TO GIVE US, UM, ANY KIND OF PERMIT TO START THE WORK BECAUSE THE BANK NEEDED PROOF THAT WE HAVE STARTED THE WORK BEFORE THEY CANCELED THE LOAN.

SO WE GOT THE PERMITS ACTUALLY MAYBE SEVEN DAYS LATER AFTER THE LOAN EXPIRED.

BOTH LOAN EXPIRED.

SO WE HAD THE FULL PROJECT FUNDED AND UM, THAT WAS THE MAIN ISSUE.

WE WEREN'T ABLE TO, TO GET AN EXTENSION FOR 10 DAYS FROM THE CITY IN ORDER TO GET THOSE.

AND WE WERE, WE WERE, UH, SAYING THAT THAT DATE IS GONNA COME AND OUR LOANS WILL BE CANCELED AND WE WILL HAVE TO EXTEND AND PHASE OUT THE PROJECT MM-HMM .

BECAUSE THE INTEREST RATES, UH, UH, JUST TRIPLED OVERNIGHT AND IN THOSE CONDITIONS JUST UNFEASIBLE TO, TO FUND THE PROJECT.

SO, UH, THE, UH, INTENT OF PHAS IT OUT IN THIS WAY IS THAT, UH, WE ARE WATCHING THE INTEREST RATES GOING DOWN IN ORDER TO GET THEM, UH, SO THAT THE PROJECT IS FEASIBLE AS THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TRANSPARENCY.

COULD I GO AHEAD.

COULD I FOLLOW UP ON THAT? SO IF FUNDING, IF RATES CONTINUE TO GO DOWN, COULD SOME OF THIS BE EXPEDITED? YES, OF COURSE.

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HOW MANY CHARLOTTE? OH YEAH.

HI, CHARLOTTE.

FIVE .

UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE EXTENSIONS.

UM, NORMALLY OUR EXTENSIONS GIVEN FOR TWO YEARS AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE TWO EXTENSIONS.

CORRECT.

AND IF THEY'RE FOR TWO YEARS EACH, THIS EXTENSION IS ACTUALLY FOR A LONGER PERIOD BECAUSE OF THE PHASING.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THAT, HOW THAT WORKS.

I MEAN, WE'VE TAKEN WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE A TWO YEAR EXTENSION AND TURNED IT INTO A, WELL, LONGER THAN THAT EXTENSION MM-HMM .

UM, WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF ANOTHER ONE AFTER THAT.

IS THAT CORRECT? TAKE A STAB.

UM, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE, THIS PROPOSAL AMENDS THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN, WHICH SETS OUT A PHASED APPROACH, WHICH IS ALLOWABLE IN THE, IN THE LDC, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SO RATHER THAN JUST A STRAIGHT, WE WANT A TWO YEAR, UM, TIME EXTENSION.

THIS IS ACTUALLY AMENDING THE OLD PLAN OF SAYING WE WANNA DO A PHASED APPROACH, WHICH CHANGES THAT ENTIRELY.

BUT WE ARE STILL GIVING POTENTIALLY AN EXTENSION.

AND THE EXTENSION IS FOR THE TIME PERIOD THAT'S SET OUT IN THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL NOW.

IT'S LONGER THAN A TWO YEAR EXTENSION.

IT'S A TIME EXTENSION SLASH AMENDMENT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

SO THEY ARE GETTING MORE TIME, BUT THEY ARE IMPLEMENTING A PHASING SCHEDULE RATHER THAN JUST GOING WITH A STRAIGHT ADDITIONAL TWO YEARS.

SO IF, AND IF, IF YOU FELT THAT THE LEAD THIS TOO FAR, 'CAUSE I, I'M NOT ADVERSE TO, TO THIS, I'M JUST WONDERING YEAH.

IF, AND THEY COME BACK AGAIN BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN THEM, WE'VE GIVEN THEM ONE EXTENSION NOW POTENTIALLY TODAY.

I MEAN, AND THEN THEY COULD POTENTIALLY COME BACK WITH YET ANOTHER ONE THAT GOES BEYOND 2029.

SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN ANOTHER AMENDMENT TO THEIR PHASING SCHEDULE.

AND AT THAT TIME YOU COULD DECIDE WHETHER, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD LOOK AT IF ANYTHING IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE HAS CHANGED, IF THERE'S ANY CONDITIONS WITHIN THE CITY THAT HAVE CHANGED.

BUT, UM, AT THIS TIME THEY WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, THESE, THIS WOULD BE CONSTRUCT, YOU KNOW, START CONSTRUCTION OF EACH OF THESE BUILDINGS BY THESE DATES, UM, RATHER THAN START CONSTRUCTION OF THE WHOLE PROJECT WITHIN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

IT IS A PRETTY LONG TIMEFRAME, BUT, OKAY.

CARRIE, LEMME ASK YOU THIS, JUST FOR THE GENERAL EDUCATION FOR EVERYBODY.

LET'S SAY THEY FINISH AND COMPLETE BUILDING ONE.

UM, COULD THEY OPEN THAT UP BEFORE THE REST OF THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED? YES.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR.

EACH, EACH BUILDING WILL BE ISSUED A SEPARATE RIGHT PERMIT.

I MEAN, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE THE PARKING AND, YOU KNOW, ENOUGH THERE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO USE THE BUILDING.

SO ULTIMATELY BUILD THE FIRST PHASE WOULD PROBABLY BE A LOT OF THE SITE WORK AS WELL.

INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE BUILDING IN ORDER TO BE FUNCTIONAL.

I'D LIKE, CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION? UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

OH, SORRY.

SO YOU HAVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY CARDS FOR THIS ONE.

LEARNING, LEARNING AS WE GO.

UM, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC.

I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS UP HERE FOR THAT ITEM UNLESS THIS PERSON COMING IN WANTS TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT.

NOW CAN I, WE'LL CLOSE THE, OKAY, NOW I'LL CLOSE IT.

MADAM CHAIR? YES.

UM, IF I COULD ADD TO, UM, THE VICE CHAIR'S, UH, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS, UM, BY PHASING, IT ACTUALLY GIVES US BETTER CONTROL OVER THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDINGS.

UM, IF IT WERE JUST A TWO YEAR TO START, THEN THE ONLY THING PUSHING THEM ALONG TO COMPLETE ALL THE BUILDINGS WOULD BE THE, UH, POSSIBLE EXPIRATION OF THE BUILDING CODE.

HERE.

THEY'RE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THEM, UH, HAVE A CONTROL WHERE EVERY YEAR THEY'RE GONNA START A NEW BUILDING.

SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT IN IF I COULD.

ANYBODY ELSE? NO.

ALCHEMIST, CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVAL CRITERIA AND LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.3 D AND SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL LISTED AT THE END OF THIS STAFF REPORT.

I'LL GIVE YOU A MOTION.

UH, I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER PZ 25 0 0 0 0 2 TE AMENDMENT

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I'LL SECOND IN.

YEP.

UM, CAN I HAVE TO FIX THAT? 'CAUSE THE STAFF REPORT'S INCORRECT.

OH, SO THIS, THE CONDITIONS AS AMENDED ON THIS SCREEN.

AND SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS, UH, AS AMENDED IN THE PRESENTATION.

AND I'LL SECOND THAT.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

[5.b. Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for a Preliminary Plat approval to create 11-unit subdivision at 463 Brewer Road on ± 5.72 acres. (Canyon Vista). The subject property is zoned Single-Family Residential (RS-10) and is located on the west side of Brewer Road, between Prochnow Road and Juniper Lane. APN: 401-20-027G.]

SO MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM FIVE B, PUBLIC HEARING.

DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL TO CREATE A, AN 11 UNIT SUBDIVISION AT 4 6 3 BREWER ROAD ON PLUS OR MINUS 5.72 ACRES.

CANYON VISTA.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL RS 10, AND IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF BREWER ROAD.

BETWEEN PROC, NOW ROAD AND JUNIPER LANE, A PN 4 0 1 DASH 20 DASH 0 27 G.

CASE NUMBER PZ 23 DASH 0 0 0 5 SUB FOR SUBDIVISION APPLICANT.

O PROPERTY OWNER IS CV DEVELOPMENT SEDONA INCORPORATED.

WILLIAM, HIRE SIX IT SIX.

ALL RIGHT.

CARRIE, MEGAN YATES, ONE OF OUR ASSISTANT PLANNERS WILL BE TAKING YOU THROUGH THE PRESENTATION FOR THIS ONE.

WILL CONSTRUCT THE NEW ROAD THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION AND NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

UH, SO THIS IS FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR, UH, CANYON VISTA SUBDIVISION APPLICATION NUMBER PZ TWO THREE DASH 0 0 0 0 5.

UM, SO RIGHT HERE WE HAVE, UH, PLATING PROCEDURES.

SO NORMALLY WE DO A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW FOR ANY, UM, UH, SUBDIVISIONS OVER 10 UNITS.

THIS ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS FOR EIGHT UNITS AND, UM, WAS CHANGED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE APPLICATION DUE TO BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO, UH, CHANGING IT TO A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.

AND BECAUSE OF THE, UM, DENSITY OF THE SUBDIVISION AND CHANGING TO A CLUSTER, IT WAS, UH, THE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW WAS WAIVED.

AND SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT STAGE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION, CITY COUNCIL ACTION AND, UH, IF NEEDED, REVIEW AND, UM, FINAL.

ALRIGHT.

UM, SO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCEDURES ARE SET FORTH IN LDC SECTION 8.5 A.

UM, IT'S PROVIDES A ME MECHANISM FOR YEAH, FOR THE CITY TO REVIEW THE OVERALL PLAN FOR PROPOSED SUBDIVISION TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE.

UM, THE COMMISSION SHALL REVIEW THE PREMI PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION AND RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIAL BASED ON THE GENERAL APPROVAL CRITERIA IN SECTION 8.3 POINT E FIVE.

UH, HERE, RIGHT HERE IS THE VICINITY MAP YOU CAN SEE IN THE MIDDLE, UM, THAT IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY OFF OF BREWER ROAD IN BETWEEN PROC NOW AND JUNIPER LANE, AND ANOTHER AERIAL MAP THERE.

AND THIS IS THE, UH, PRELIMINARY PLAT.

SO PROJECT HISTORY, UH, IS SUBDIVISION OR SUB 2005 DASH SEVEN WAS FOR AN EIGHT UNIT TRADITIONAL SUBDIVISION.

THE PROCESS WAS NEVER COMPLETED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.

AND SO, UM, THEY CAME BACK IN 2021 AND, UH, PUT IN FOR 21 DASH 0 0 0 1 3, AGAIN FOR THE SAME EIGHT UNIT SUBDIVISION.

UM, THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED IN 2021.

COMMAS WERE, WERE PROVIDED IN NOVEMBER OF 21, AND THE APP APPLICATION WAS ABANDONED IN 22 DUE TO LACK OF RESUBMITTAL.

SO THE CURRENT PROJECT IS, UH, SO THE ADDRESS IS 4 63 BUREAU ROAD.

THE OWNER IS WILLIAM HARE, WHO IS HERE AND WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

UH, IT IS APPROXIMATELY 5.72 ACRES AND THE, UM, DENSITY IS 1.92 UNITS PER ACRE.

UM, IT'S VACANT AND THIS IS FOR AN 11 UNITS SINGLE FAMILY CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.

AND THE APPLICANT

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THE COMMUNITY PLAN FOR THIS IS TWO TO FOUR DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, SO SINGLE FAMILY MEDIUM DENSITY, AND THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED RSS 10 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AND THEY'RE DOING A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.

SO THE MINIMUM PARCEL AREA FOR A SUBDIVISION IS THREE ACRES.

THIS IS 5.72 APPROXIMATELY.

UM, MINIMUM LOT WIDTH IS 25 FEET.

AND THE MAXIMUM DENSITY IS FOUR UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS WHAT IS ALLOWED IN RS 10.

UM, THERE IS NO HOME CONSTRUCTION BEING PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.

SO THIS IS JUST FOR THE SUBDIVISION, NOT FOR THE HOMES.

UM, SO THE LAYOUT IS THERE'S GONNA BE ONE POINT OF ACCESS FROM BREWER ROAD TO THE NEWLY CONSTRUCTED ROAD.

THE LOTS ARE CLUSTERED TWO AREAS.

UM, THE LOWER HALF LOTS, ONE THROUGH FIVE, AND THEN THE UPPER HALF SIX THROUGH 11, UM, ONE THROUGH THREE ARE GONNA SHARE A DRIVEWAY LOTS, FOUR AND FIVE WILL SHARE A DRIVEWAY.

AND, UM, SHARED ACCESS IS NOT SHOWN FOR LOT SEVEN THROUGH 11, AND THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ENOUGH AREA FOR THEM TO HAVE INDIVIDUAL DRIVEWAYS AND SIDEWALKS ARE NOT BEING PROPOSED.

THEY'RE PROPOSED.

UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE THEM BY A FOUR WITH A FOUR FOOT, UH, WIDE TRAIL.

UM, SO REVIEW CRITERIA, AND, UH, THIS IS JUST TO HIT ON THIS SECTIONS, OF COURSE, ALL OF THE REVIEW WAS PUT IN THE STAFF REPORT AND IN THE SUBDIVISION CHECKLIST, WHICH WAS AVAILABLE IN YOUR PACKETS.

UM, LOT PLANNING SENSITIVE LANDS, BLOCK LAYOUT, UM, AND THEN THE FINDINGS OF 8.3 E 8.5 E THREE.

AND OF COURSE, LIKE I SAID, THIS, UH, DOES NOT INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY REVIEWS.

THIS IS NOT REVIEWING FOR THE HOMES.

AND, UH, THE FUTURE RESIDENCES WILL BE REVIEWED UNDER THE, UM, STAFF LEVEL, LIKE NORMAL HOUSES ARE, AND THEY'LL HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THE LDC REQUIREMENTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.

UM, SO THE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS FOR ARTICLE SEVEN, UM, THIS IS JUST A COUPLE OF HITS ON THE NON-COMPLIANCE AREAS.

UH, THE PLACEMENT ORIENTATION AND I IRREGULAR SHAPES OF THE LOTS.

THE ACCESS EASEMENT FOR LOT FIVE DOES NOT MEET THE 30 FOOT WIDE REQUIREMENT.

LOTS.

SIX THROUGH 11 ARE LOCATED NEAR THE CREST OF THE RIDGE LINE, UM, WHICH COULD CAUSE SILHOUETTING OF THE BUILDINGS.

WE, UH, DIDN'T GET A COMPLIANT SITE, UH, LINE OF SIGHT, SO WE WEREN'T SURE IF THEY WILL BE SIL SILHOUETTED OR NOT.

UM, THEY'RE REPLACING SIDEWALKS WITH A FOUR FOOT WIDE TRAIL THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO GIVE THE SAME PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AS SIDEWALKS WOULD LOT SEVEN THROUGH 11 DO NOT APPEAR TO HAVE SUFFICIENT SPACE, AS I STATED, FOR, UH, INDIVIDUAL DRIVEWAYS.

AND THE SHARED DRIVEWAY IS NOT SHOWN, UH, WRITTEN APPROVAL FROM THE UTILITY.

UM, COMPANIES WITH RESPECT TO THE EASEMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN SUBMITTED.

TRACK C IS THE 30 FOOT WIDE EASEMENT AND DOES NOT INCLUDE SIDEWALKS OR PROVIDE SPACE FOR BIKE LANES.

AND THERE IS A COUPLE PORTIONS THAT THERE IS GRADING PROPOSED OUTSIDE OF TRACK C WITHIN THE NO DEVELOPMENT TRACK, TRACK A AND TRACK B.

UM, SO OF COURSE THE FULL EVALUATION WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT AREAS OF NONCOMPLIANCE FOR SECTION 8.3 E FIVE, UM, IMPACT ON ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS.

LACK OF CLARITY REGARDING CONTACT TO NEIGHBOR, PROPERTY OWNERS AND HOAS ABOUT THE CHANGE TO THE CLUSTER.

SUBDIVISION BUILDING ENVELOPES ARE IRRE IRREGULARLY SHAPED AND DO NOT FOLLOW THE TOPOGRAPHICAL OR NATURAL FEATURES.

A COMPLIANT LINE OF SIGHT WAS NOT PROVIDED TO DETERMINE IF THE BUILDINGS WOULD BE SILHOUETTED.

COMPLIANCE WITH UTILITIES HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED AND, UM, TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WAS NOT UPDATED FOR THE 11 UNIT CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.

AND SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT HAD CONCERNS REGARDING THE SINGULAR ACCESS AND DEAD END TURNAROUNDS DUE TO IT BEING IN THE WILDLAND URBAN INTERFACE AREA.

UM, REVIEW AGENT COMMON OR, UM, REVIEW AGENCY COMMENTS.

THESE ARE OUTSTANDING COMMENTS THAT, UH, STILL HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED BY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PLANNING BY US PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT, THE PUBLIC INPUT.

UM, THERE WAS A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN

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THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL, UH, APP SUBMITTAL THAT, UM, SO THAT THERE WAS TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THE LETTER REFERENCES THE PREVIOUS ABANDONED APPLICATION FROM 2021.

UM, THE REPORT STATES THAT AN ADDITIONAL FORMAL PUBLIC MEETING ISN'T NECESSARY, ALTHOUGH IT HAS CHANGED FROM THE EIGHT UNIT TRADITIONAL SUBDIVISION TO AN 11 UNIT CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.

UH, AND THERE WAS A LETTER IN THE PLAN IN THE REPORT THAT STATED THAT THEY WERE GONNA SEND IT OUT TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEY WERE GONNA PROVIDE, UM, AN UPDATED PLAN OR REPORT TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE THAT.

UM, ALL OF THE PROJECT WAS ON THE WEBSITE.

IT WAS POSTED IN THE RED ROCK NEWS MAILING TO PROPERTY OWNERS.

AND YOU GUYS HAVE RECEIVED ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SO IN CONCLUSION, UM, THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS FACILITATES THE DETAILED PLANNING SUBMITTAL REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.

THE COMMISSION SHALL REVIEW THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIAL BASED ON THE GENERAL APPROVAL CRITERIA ON IN SECTION 8.3 E FIVE.

AND BASED ON THE LACK OF COMPLIANCE TO LDC, ARTICLE SEVEN.

AND SECTION 8.3 E FIVE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT AS SET FORTH IN CASE NUMBER PZ 2 3 0 0 0 0 5 CANYON VISTA SUBDIVISION.

THANK YOU, MEGAN.

THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT STAFF REPORT.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

OKAY, SO WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC GOT THAT RIGHT THIS TIME.

I'LL GO.

UM, SO I'M GONNA KEEP THIS SHORT AND SWEET TO ME.

UH, I CAN'T ENTERTAIN THIS PROJECT WITHOUT UTILITY INFORMATION AT THE VERY MINIMUM, LET ALONE ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW.

UM, THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ARIZONA WATER THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE, UM, ABILITY TO RUN THROUGH THAT RIGHT OF WAY MAKES IT SO, LIKE ANY OF MY QUESTIONS, LIKE WE COULD GET THROUGH ALL THE QUESTIONS OF THE ACTUAL PLAT, BUT WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION, IF ARIZONA WATER FOR SOME REASON COMES AND SAYS WE COULD DO EIGHT, WE CAN'T DO 11, THEN THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT.

SO FOR ME, THE INCOMPLETENESS OF THIS PACKET, UM, MAKES ME THINK THAT IT SHOULD COME BACK WHEN IT'S COMPLETE.

AND SO I'M NOT GONNA ASK ANY PARTICULARS.

ROB, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSED ROADS, ET CETERA.

IS THIS THE TIME TO ASK THOSE? YES.

AND STAFF ANSWERS THEM MM-HMM .

OR THE APPLICANT? YES.

UM, THE, UH, THE 11 SITES, ARE THOSE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS OR IS THAT A PROPERTY DEFINITION AND THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH SETBACKS? THOSE, THOSE ARE, IF, IF I MIGHT, UM, SPEAK AS THE OWNER, UM, THOSE ARE BUILDING ENVELOPES.

THEY, THEY, THEY LEGALLY SERVICE LOTS.

UH, I MIGHT BACK UP FOR A SECOND.

I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS HERE.

SOME OF THIS STUFF IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME DISAGREEMENT OR CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT WE'VE PROVIDED, BUT OVERALL IN THIS PROPERTY, WHAT, I'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY SINCE 2007 AND, AND IT IS ALWAYS HAD A TOPOGRAPHICAL CHALLENGE AS YOU SAW TODAY.

UH, IT ALSO IS AN INFILL PROJECT.

IT'S IN HIS HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S BEEN BUILT OUT.

AND ONE OF MY CONCERNS GOING IN HERE IS I DIDN'T WANT TO DROP SOMETHING IN HERE THAT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THE LAND AND LOOKED LIKE IT HAD JUST BEEN DROPPED IN, IN 2025.

UM, WE, WE ORIGINALLY HAD A LAYOUT BASED JUST UPON A TRADITIONAL SCHEMATIC, KIND OF, I DON'T WANNA SAY IGNORING THE TOP TOPOGRAPHY, BUT JUST A STANDARD LOT LAYOUT.

UM, WHAT THAT WOULD'VE DONE WOULD'VE ALLOWED INDIVIDUALS WHO BOUGHT THOSE LOTS TO CUT INTO THESE HIGHLY VISIBLE, SENSITIVE HILLSIDES WHEREVER THEY MIGHT PLEASE TO BUILD A HOME.

UH, WHEN WE WERE TALKING WITH STAFF, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH STAFF, AND THIS PROJECT'S BEEN ON AND OFF AND DISCUSSED FOR YEARS, INCLUDING WITH MY NEIGHBORS.

BUT WHEN WE WERE TALKING WITH STAFF, THE ISSUE CAME UP OF CREATING A CLUSTER AND WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA.

I CAN TELL YOU IT TOOK US QUITE A BIT OF TIME AND QUITE A BIT OF, UH, MY SAVINGS, BECAUSE THIS IS MY SAVINGS.

I, I OWN A HUNDRED PERCENT OF IT.

IT IS PART OF MY RETIREMENT.

I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPER.

AND GONNA NOT GONNA BE DEVELOPED.

BUT WE, WE CAME UP WITH THIS, UH, SCHEMATIC AND, AND ONE OF THE DRIVERS FOR THIS SCHEMATIC, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT, IS THESE STEEP HILLSIDES ARE PROTECTED

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WHAT I DO NOT WANT TO DO IS TO CREATE A SCAR UP THAT HILLSIDE, WHICH IS VISIBLE FROM 1 79 FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, ANY, I I DON'T WANNA DO ANY MORE DISTURBANCE UP THERE THAN I NEED TO DO TO ENSURE READY ACCESS FOR THE INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE THERE AND FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

UM, AND I THINK SEEING THE SITE, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO MAYBE MORE SPECIFICALLY TO YOUR QUESTION, UM, THESE ARE BUILDING ENVELOPES AND SOMEBODY ENTITLED TO BUILD THEIR RESIDENTIAL HOME WITHIN THAT ENVELOPE.

SO I'M RESTRICTING THE ABILITY OF MY POTENTIAL BUYERS ABOUT WHERE THEY CAN BUILD THEIR HOMES AND THAT, THAT'S A HIT FOR ME.

BUT I THINK THE SITE DEMANDS THAT WITH REGARDS TO THE, THE, THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, I THINK IT, IT FUNCTIONS MORE LIKE A CONDOMINIUM REGIME, , UH, UM, IN THE SENSE THAT, AND I ACTUALLY USED TO BE A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION LAWYER, SO I, I GET A BIT OF THIS, BUT YOU'VE GOT THAT DARKER AREA THAT'S SURROUNDING THOSE ENVELOPES.

THAT WILL BE A SEPARATE COMMON AREA TRACKED, AND THAT TRACT CAN BE MANIPULATED.

OUR ANTICIPATION IS THAT WHEN THIS IS APPROVED, WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH A DECLARATION THAT SPECIFICALLY PROVIDES WHAT EACH OWNER CAN DO IN THOSE AREAS.

AND WHAT I'M REALLY TALKING ABOUT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT EXTENDING THE HOME, BUT IT'S, UH, LANDSCAPING, UH, PUTTING DRIVEWAYS IN.

'CAUSE IT'S COMMON AREAS GONNA BE OWNED AND COMMON BY THE ASSOCIATION, UH, AND THOSE SORTS OF DETAILS.

BUT THIS IS WHERE THE HOMES WOULD BE LOCATED.

UH, THE WHITE TRACKS, UH, ON THE HILLSIDES ARE, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING TO BE PROTECTED.

UM, AGAIN, I DON'T, THIS MAY END UP BITING ME, UM, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, I PRACTICED LAW FOR 11 YEARS HELPING HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS DEAL WITH THE MESS THAT WAS LEFT WITH THEM BY THEIR DEVELOPERS.

IT DIDN'T REPRESENT DEVELOPERS.

AND I, I, I DO NOT WANT TO LEAVE HERE.

UH, I, I WANT TO LEAVE A DEVELOPMENT AS HARMONIOUS WITH THE SURROUNDINGS AND AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE MITIGATES THE VISUAL IMPACT, UH, BOTH FROM 1 79 AND AROUND.

SO THAT DROVE THIS LAYOUT.

IS THERE A SPECIFIC QUESTION IN THERE? I DIDN'T ANSWER? UH, THE TRAIL YES.

AS I UNDERSTAND THE TRAIL, IT CONNECTS THE UPPER LEVEL TO A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO, SO LET ME TALK ABOUT THE TRAIL, AND I THINK THE TRAIL ALSO TIES INTO SIDEWALKS AND THIS DISCUSSION OF SIDEWALKS AND BIKE PATHS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, THE FIRST THING I WANT TO BE CLEAR, UH, EVERYBODY SHOULD BE CLEAR, IS THAT ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO REMAIN PRIVATE.

THE, THE CITY HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR.

THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN TAKING OVER THIS ROAD.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE A PUBLIC ROAD.

OKAY? SO IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE A, A ROAD.

IT'S EFFECTIVELY GONNA SERVE LIKE A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY UP THERE.

THERE IS NO PUBLIC ACCESS, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY PUBLIC ACCESS.

ALTHOUGH I REALIZE THROUGH SOME COMMENTS THAT I'VE GOT NEIGHBORS WHO ARE TREATING THIS LIKE FOREST ACCESS AND SENDING THEIR AIRBNB FOLKS UP THROUGH THERE, WHICH I'M NOT THAT EXCITED ABOUT.

UM, WITH REGARDS TO SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS, UH, THERE, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT IN THE GENERAL LAND CODE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT SIDEWALKS.

AND IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, RIGHT? THERE'S A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC POLICY REASON AS A GENERAL RULE TO TRY TO CREATE AN INTERCONNECTED, UH, SYSTEM OF PEDESTRIAN WAYS.

I GET THAT.

UM, THE CHALLENGE YOU'VE GOT HERE THAT SAID THERE WAS A SPEC SPECIFIC PROVISION IN THE CODE THAT SAYS WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH STEEP SENSITIVE HILLSIDE, BECAUSE THERE'S THIS IMPLICIT RECOGNITION THAT WE DON'T WANNA DESTROY HILLSIDES JUST A WEDGE IN SIDEWALKS.

OKAY? AND IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH THAT SITUATION, WHICH WE ARE, THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO PUT IN A TRAIL.

SO WE'VE PUT IN A TRAIL FROM THE BOTTOM.

UH, WILL ANYBODY EVER USE THAT TRAIL IF IT'S PUT IN, I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC THROUGHWAY HERE.

BUT WE'RE FLEXIBLE WITH REGARDS TO THE LOCATION OF THE TRAIL, UH, IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT IT'S NEEDED.

AND, UM, SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A 30 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY ON THERE.

AND MY ANTICIPATION HONESTLY IS THAT WHOEVER LIVES UP TOP AND THEY WANNA WALK, THEY'RE GONNA WALK DOWN THE ROAD.

THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANYBODY ON THAT ROAD .

UM, BUT IF THEY WANT A PATH, WE'LL WE'LL PUT THAT PATH IN.

ALRIGHT.

UM,

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UH, MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, UH, WITHIN A 30 FOOT RIGHT OF WAVE WITH THE ROAD, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL WIDTH OF THE ROAD? AND WITH THE CURVES OF THE ROAD, HOW DO, IS IT ADEQUATE FOR TRUCKS, MOVING VANS, UH, FIRE TRUCKS? UH, I DON'T KNOW IF A, UH, ALLIED MOVING TRUCK CAN GET UP THERE, BUT WHAT, WHAT KIND OF TRUCKS CAN MANEUVER THIS ROAD IN THESE CURVES? WELL, I CAN, FIRST AND FOREMOST, LET ME TAKE THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE, WHICH IS THAT'S ABSOLUTELY THE CASE THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN GET UP THERE.

THEY'VE BEEN ON SITE MULTIPLE TIMES, O OVER THE YEARS WE'VE WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH THEM AND ADJUSTED THESE PLANS TO, UH, PUT IN THE HAMMERHEAD UP TOP, UH, THE TURNAROUND NEAR LOTS ONE AND TWO BASED UPON SOME SPECIFIC FEEDBACK JUST TO ENSURE THEY COULD TURN AROUND.

AND WE'VE ADJUSTED THAT SO WE HAVE ACCESS THERE.

UH, LUKE, WE'VE GOT, AS I RECALL, 24 WE'RE PROPOSING A 24 FOOT WIDE PAVED SURFACE FROM CURB TO CURB, FROM, FROM CURB TO CURB, FROM BACK TO CURB TO BACK TO CURB IS 24 FEET.

THOUGH IT'S, UH, SORRY, LOOKING, I'M JUST, I'LL GO OVER HERE.

GOOD EVENING.

I'M, UH, LUKE SEPTON WITH SSON ENGINEERING.

I'M THE CIVIL ON THIS AND BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

BUT YEAH, WE, UM, UH, TRIED TO KEEP THE ROAD AS NARROW AS POSSIBLE WHEN WE WENT TO THE FIRE DORY, UM, THE FIRE MARSHAL'S BEEN IN AND OUT AND NOW SHE'S GONE, BUT WENT BACK WITH FORTH WITH HER AND KURT AND THEY WANTED US TO ADD ANOTHER COUPLE FEET.

SO WE WIDENED IT OUT.

UM, AND WE ALSO DID, IN OUR SUBMITTAL, WE DID A PLAN WHERE WE SHOW HOW THE FIRE TRUCKS CAN GO UP AND DOWN AND TO MEET THE CODE.

UM, AND IT, AND THE FIRE TRUCK CAN DO IT AT THE ONE TIGHT CURB.

WE ACTUALLY KIND OF DID A, A ELBOW OUT SO THAT THEY HAD A LITTLE EXTRA ROOM.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WENT THROUGH ALL OUR SUBMITTALS AND WHAT WE DID SUBMIT A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS UPDATED AND A LOT OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE THERE, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF GOING BACK AND FORTH.

BUT IN THE LAST SUBMITTAL, WE HAD A LOT OF THOSE THINGS WE THOUGHT WERE ANSWERED.

THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

WELL, OKAY.

I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY AND, UH, IT WOULD BE NICE IF SOMEDAY YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL IN PUTTING SOMETHING ON THERE.

UM, I'VE GOT A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE CURRENT PLAN IS.

UM, I THINK I JUST WANNA ASK ALL OF MY QUESTIONS AND YOU CAN ANSWER THEM IN ANY ORDER YOU'D LIKE.

FIRST OF ALL, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON AN EMERGENCY EXIT OTHER THAN THE, THE ONE IN AND OUT ROAD? IS IT THE DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, NEIGHBORS? UM, SO THAT'S ONE QUESTION I HOPE YOU CAN ANSWER.

UM, YOU SAID, YOU MENTIONED THAT I BELIEVE THAT THERE WOULD BE AN HOA MM-HMM .

UH, THIS IS EHOA GOING TO ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

UM, AND THEN, UM, I GUESS WILL IT BE THE HOA THAT MAINTAINS THE PATH? UM, AND LASTLY, THIS THING ABOUT, I READ YOUR SUBMITTAL WHERE YOU SAY, IN COMPLIANCE IN COMPLIANCE IN COMPLIANCE, AND THEN I READ THE CITIES WHERE NOT IN COMPLIANCE AND NOT IN COMPLIANCE.

IS THERE LIKE MISCOMMUNICATION GOING ON OR YOU MISSING EACH OTHER, OR WHAT'S THE DEAL? THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS, SO, OKAY.

I'LL TRY TO REMEMBER THEM AND COUNT YOU TO, UH, REMIND ME.

UH, WITH REGARDS TO ACCESS, UH, WE ORIGINALLY HAD TWO POINTS OF ACCESS OFF OF BREWER.

WHERE YOU SEE THE COMMON DRIVE THAT GOES, WRAPS AROUND LOT FOUR AND GOES UP TO LOT FIVE.

UH, THAT ORIGINALLY CAME OUT UNDER BREWER AND, AND AT THE REQUEST OF STAFF, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT MULTIPLE ENTRY POINTS GOING ON TO BREWER.

WE CONSOLIDATED, CONSOLIDATED THAT UNDER THIS PLANT TO ONE ONE POINT OF ENTRY.

UH, THAT POINT OF ENTRY.

ALSO, BY THE WAY, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE OUT THERE, CAN SEE, UM, WE WANT TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL ENTRYWAY.

UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO HISTORIC KIND OF WALLS OR MARKERS THERE.

UM, AND IT'S OUR PLAN TO, TO KEEP THAT THERE WITH REGARDS TO ACCESS FROM ANY OTHER POINT ON THIS 5.7 ACRES.

YOU WANT TO POINT ME TO IT, I'D BE HAPPY TO TRY TO WORK IT OUT.

UH, THE CHALLENGE THAT, THAT WE HAVE, JUST THE REALITY ON THE GROUND IS THAT TO THE NORTH, THE SKY RIDGE SUBDIVISION WAS APPROVED.

THERE'S A LONG HISTORY SOMETIME OVER DINNER,

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I'LL TELL YOU.

I'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL THAT.

UM, BUT WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, UH, THEY'VE GOT LOTS BACKING UP THERE.

THERE'S, THERE'S NO PHYSICAL WAY OR LEGAL WAY TO CONNECT THOSE TWO.

AND HISTORICALLY THERE'D BEEN A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD DO THAT AND LOOP IT AROUND.

BUT I, THAT OPTION JUST GOT FORECLOSED TO ME ONCE SKYRIDGE WAS, UH, IN PLACE.

UH, THE A THE OTHER ACCESS, I GUESS POTENTIALLY IS IN LES SPRINGS.

I'M SURE THEY DO NOT WANT THAT.

AND IT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC, UH, GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THEIR HOMES AND OTHER DRAINAGES.

AND, AND THEN ON THE, UH, BOTTOM LEFT SIDE, THAT'S ALL NATIONAL FOREST.

SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, AGAIN, I'LL GO BACK TO, AND IF YOU'VE BEEN ON THE SITE, YOU UNDERSTAND LIKE TOPOGRAPHY IS REALLY DRIVING WHAT WE, WE, WE CAN DO HERE.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS OUR PROPOSAL RIGHT NOW WITH THE MAIN ENTRY.

AND I DON'T, WE'VE NEVER SEEN ANOTHER OPTION THERE.

UM, SECOND QUESTION WAS HOA MAINTENANCE, THINGS LIKE THAT? UM, I'LL GIVE YOU MY THOUGHTS ON THAT.

UH, THERE WILL NEED TO BE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION BECAUSE THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION WONT LEGAL TITLE TO THE COMMON TRACKS.

AND IT WILL CORRESPONDINGLY BE THE OBLIGATION OF THE OWNERS AS MEMBERS OF THAT HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION TO MAINTAIN THE COMMON INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING THE ROAD WHICH THE CITY SAID IT DOES NOT WANT.

AND OF COURSE, THE PATH AND IT ATTENTION FACILITIES AND THESE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR THE COMMON BENEFIT OF ALL OWNERS.

UM, WITH REGARDS TO SHORT TERM RENTALS, , I'VE DEALT A LOT WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS AS AN ATTORNEY.

I, I I, I WANT TO START BY SAYING, I, I ASSURE YOU I UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF SHORT TERM RENTALS AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO RESORT COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

AND A LOT OF THIS ALSO COURSE DRIVEN BY HUGE CAPITAL BUYING UP HOMES AND JUST TURNING AROUND AND RUNNING THEM.

UM, I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A BLANKET RULE IN SEDONA ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS.

AND I KNOW THAT'S A HARD ONE.

UH, I'VE HAD A DISCUSSION HERE.

HERE'S MY THOUGHTS ON, ON, ON RESTRICTING RENTALS.

WHEN, WHEN A PROPERTY OWNER RESTRICTS HIS RIGHT TO RENT, HE SHOULD GET A CONCOMITANT BENEFIT THAT HIS NEIGHBORS ARE LIKEWISE RESTRICTING THEIR RIGHT TO RENT.

IT, IT'S, EVERYBODY SHARES IN THE COST OF THAT AND EVERYBODY SHARES IN THE BENEFIT OF THAT.

UH, I HAD A MEETING WITH, UH, FACE TO FACE, OR ACTUALLY SOMEWHERE ON THE PHONE, UH, WITH MY NEIGHBORS A FEW YEARS BACK.

THIS ISSUE CAME UP.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE CHALLENGE I'VE GOT IS, YOU KNOW, THESE HOMES DOWN BELOW ME ARE THAT THEY'RE ALL RIGHT IN THE SAME AREA.

AND I CAN TELL YOU NO HANDS WENT OF 'EM.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A HOUSE, UH, RIGHT NEAR THE ENTRY THERE THAT IS CONSTANTLY TURNING AIRBNB FOLKS IN IT.

I, I CAN'T REALLY PUT MYSELF IN A POSITION WHERE I'M GONNA CUT OFF THE RIGHTS OF MY OWNERS AND POTENTIALLY ME.

'CAUSE I MAY END UP LIVING THERE TOO.

AND YET I'M LOOKING DOWN ON A HOUSE THAT EVERY DAY AS PEOPLE PUMPING THROUGH IT.

THAT SAID, UM, FOR MY OWN REASONS FOR THE, THE INTERNAL OPERATION OF THE SUBDIVISION AND THE CREATING A PEACEFUL SPACE UP THERE, THERE WILL BE RESTRICTIONS IN THE DECLARATION WITH REGARDS TO CERTAIN RENTAL USES.

WHAT THOSE ARE, HOW I'M GONNA IMPLEMENT THOSE, I'M NOT SURE AT THIS TIME.

BUT, UM, THERE IS, UH, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THIS TURNED INTO WHAT IS EFFECTIVELY JUST A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT OF IT.

UM, SO I, I DO INTEND TO PLACE SOME PRIVATE RESTRICTIONS ON THERE TO ENSURE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, IF I'VE GOT A RETIRED PERSON LIVING IN LOT SEVEN AND THEY WANT TO GO TO BED EARLY, AND, AND THE PERSON IN LOT EIGHT IS, YOU KNOW, HAS GOT PEOPLE MAKING NOISE AND PARKING ALL OVER THE PLACE AND DISTURBING THEIR PIECE, I, I, I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.

SO AT THIS STAGE, I HAVEN'T THOUGHT THE DETAILS OF THAT, BUT THAT'S MY INTENTION.

TO ADDRESS THAT.

UH, WHEN THIS IS APPROVED IN THE DECLARATION INSTRUMENT, UH, THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION.

I'M SORRY, I FORGOT.

LOST TRACK OF IT.

WELL, IT'S MORE TO DO WITH YOUR COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE CITY.

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UM, I, I, I'LL SPEAK FROM OUR STANDPOINT THAT WE, WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE DONE OUR BEST AND I THINK THE STAFF HAS DONE AS BEST TO KEEP COMMUNICATING ON, ON, UH, ISSUES WHERE WE THINK, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE STAFF BELIEVES WE HAVE NOT COMPLIED AND WE BELIEVE WE HAVE COMPLIED.

UM, THERE ARE SOME PROVISIONS IN, UH, THE CODE THAT ARE, HOW DO I WANNA PUT IT OPEN TO INTERPRETATION.

UM, YOU KNOW, MY ENGINEER, OKAY, HE'S, HE'S WORKED IN THIS DOWN FOREVER AND HAS DIRECT CONTACT WITH STAFF ON SPECIFIC ISSUES WHERE, UH, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SPEAK IN GENERAL ABOUT THAT AND JUST SAY THERE'S A GENERAL ISSUE, YOU KNOW, UM, OF WHY THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A DISAGREEMENT ON ISSUES.

BUT THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY, WE, WE BELIEVE THIS COMPLIES WITH THE CODE.

WE BELIEVE IT'S A THOUGHTFUL SUBDIVISION.

UH, I KNOW MAYBE I'LL SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.

I KNOW THERE'S CONFUSION AND, AND IT'S NOT JUST IMPACTING US ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH ASSURANCE IS ENOUGH ASSURANCE FROM THESE UTILITIES THAT IF AND WHEN THIS THING GETS APPROVED, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE ABLE TO GET UTILITIES IN THERE.

I, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN OF, OF, OF PNZ AND OF COUNSEL TO ENSURE THAT YOU DO NOT APPROVE A FINAL PLAT.

AND THEN WE TURN AROUND AND ARIZONA WATER, FOR EXAMPLE, SAYS, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T GONNA WORK FOR US.

UH, STAFF HAS TAKEN THE POSITION, OR AT LEAST WE'VE HEARD, UH, ON TIME TO THE STAFF'S POSITION AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, YOU NEED ALL YOUR PERMITS IN PLACE, YOU HAVE TO PULL PERMITS.

AND YET WE'RE DEALING WITH UTILITY COMPANIES SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA ISSUE PERMITS UNLESS WE HAVE A FINAL PLAQUE.

'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO ISSUE A PERMIT IF THIS THING'S NOT GONNA GO AHEAD.

AND IT ALSO CREATES THIS, UH, WE, WE SAW IT WITH THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME UP HERE EARLIER.

LIKE IF YOU, IF YOU START, IF, IF IF PERMITS ARE PULLED IT, THERE'S A, THE, THE CLOCK STARTS TICKING.

AND IF YOU'RE NOT THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS, THEN AND THAT GETS DRAGGED OUT AND HISTORICALLY IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO GET SOMETHING APPROVED IN THE CITY, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOUR PERMITS ARE EXPIRING, THEN YOU'VE GOT, YOU'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH.

WE HAVE PROVIDED STAFF, I BELIEVE, UH, I'VE, AND I'VE READ THEM, UH, ESSENTIALLY AN ASSURANCE, ALL THESE UTILITIES LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY AND THE DESIGNS AND THEY'VE ALL SAID, YES, WE CAN WORK WITH THAT.

BUT I DON'T FIND ANYWHERE IN THE CODE WHERE WE ARE ACTUALLY REQUIRED TO PULL FORMAL PERMITS.

AND WE'VE GOT SOME UTILITY COMPANIES SAYING WE'RE NOT GONNA ISSUE PERMITS UNLESS WE HAVE FINAL PLAT.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT.

SO CAN I FOLLOW UP ON MY COMMENT, SO TO SPEAK TO ARIZONA WATER SPECIFICALLY? RIGHT.

THE DOCUMENTATION WE HAVE SAYS IT'S FINE WITH EIGHT.

I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A PERMIT.

I JUST WANTED SAYING I'M FINE WITH 11.

ONE, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS.

ONE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S REALLY BUSY AND TO GO THROUGH WITH THAT AND START GETTING THEM BECAUSE THEY WON'T REVIEW THE PLANS UNTIL THEY GET THE FINAL SET.

MY ENGINEERING SET, WE'RE IN THE PRELIMINARY PHASE, THINGS WILL CHANGE IF YOU GUYS HAVE SUGGESTIONS OR COUNSEL, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE FINAL GRADING AND DRAINAGE AND REPORTS AND ALL THAT.

WE HAVE 'EM IN PRELIMINARY AND THEY WON'T TAKE THAT UNTIL WE GET THE PLAT APPROVED AND WE FINALIZE IT.

AND THAT'S TOWARDS WHEN WE'RE DOING THE FINAL PLAT AND WE'RE PULLING A PERMIT WITH THE CITY.

BUT YOU'RE GET, YOU GOT THE EIGHT IS WE, WE GOT 11 AND THE WATER COMPANY CAME BACK.

I MEAN, THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WEREN'T IN THERE THAT WE DID SUBMIT WAS SOME OF THE COMMENTS.

AND THEY SAID, UNTIL WE GET THE FINAL STUFF, WE WON'T REVIEW IT.

BUT EVERYTHING ELSE LOOKS FINE.

I DEAL WITH GLORIA WITH THE WATER COMPANY DOWN IN PHOENIX.

SHE'S THE ONE THAT USUALLY DOES THE ADMINISTRATION, UH, EVERY WEEK BECAUSE I GOT A LOT OF PROJECTS GOING ON.

AND SO IT GETS AND THEIR WAY BEHIND.

SO THE MORE WORKLOAD YOU PUT ON THEM, YOU KNOW, I'M, YOU SEE HOW THIS ONE, EVERYTHING EXPIRED.

I'M DEALING WITH THAT ON A COUPLE OTHER PROJECTS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THINGS GET EXPIRED BECAUSE SOME THINGS HAVE TAKEN TOO LONG.

AND SO, YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERESTIMATE THE TIME THIS PROCESS TAKES AT ALL.

I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS, NOT IN QUITE IN THIS WAY, BUT MYSELF.

UM, I THINK IT'S JUST MY COMMENTS WERE BASED ON, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE THE, WHETHER THE INFORMATION EXISTS OR NOT, I PERSONALLY DO NOT HAVE IT IN MY PACKET THAT I REVIEWED.

ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS I MIGHT SAY WITH, LET'S JUST TAKE WATER.

THE, THE, THE CHANGE IN THIS PLAN FROM

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I, I DON'T THINK IT MAKES ANY MATERIAL CHANGE TO THE DESIGN OF THE WATER SYSTEM.

ALRIGHT.

I, THAT, THAT'S NOT MY YARD.

THAT'S, I, I, I UNDERSTAND.

UH, JUST SO WE'RE, WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

SO, UM, WATER'S NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE.

AND, AND GENERALLY ARIZONA WATER ISN'T.

IT'S MOSTLY THAT IF WE'RE BEING ASKED TO MAKE A DECISION, WE NEED ALL THE INFORMATION TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

AND WHETHER THAT INFORMATION EXISTS OR NOT, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A LOT THAT WASN'T IN OUR PACKET.

AND I'LL POINT OUT THAT EVEN THE CITY OF SEDONA SEWER DEPARTMENT SAYS THEY WON'T, UM, GIVE US GUARANTEE UNTIL THE END EITHER, YOU KNOW, SO WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A GUARANTEE FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US.

THEY GO, IT'S A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE WHEN WE TURN IN AND WHEN WE'RE WORKING FOR A PERMIT.

SO I CAN'T EVEN GET IT FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA.

UH, LUKE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED 'CAUSE I'VE SAT HERE FOR A WHILE ON THIS COMMISSION AND I'VE HAD THINGS THAT CAME THAT HAD LETTERS FROM WATER COMPANIES AND SO FORTH, AND YOU'VE BEEN ON THOSE PROJECTS.

SO WHAT'S CHANGED IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS THAT WE NO LONGER HAVE LETTERS STATING THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE SEWER, THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET SEWER, YOU KNOW, PICKUP.

IT HASN'T CHANGED.

I STILL HAVE THOSE LETTERS.

SERVICEABILITY LETTERS.

AND THEN ON SOME PROJECTS IT'S JUST, THERE'S DIFFERENT PROJECTS.

LIKE, THIS IS A SUBDIVISION, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS.

LIKE, UM, SOME OF THE RESORTS AND, UM, THEY JUST, BUT FOR THIS, WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO GET THE UTILITIES TO SAY SOMETHING AND THEY JUST CAME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, SAID, HEY, WE'LL REVIEW IT, BUT IT LOOKS OKAY.

AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN PUTTING IN THEIR LETTERS IS THAT, HEY, WHEN WE GO BACK TO THEM AND SAY, HERE, WE NEED ELECTRIC WATER, SEWER, IF IT DEGRADES THEIR CUSTOMERS, EXISTING CUSTOMERS, THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE ONE ON THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.

AND, UM, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY IS SERVICES ARE DISMAN DIMINISHED.

AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR YOU OR NOT, BUT SIMILAR IN A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT, UM, TRAFFIC STUDY.

DID YOU ALL DO THAT? I DID THAT FOR THE 11 UNIT WAS UPDATED TO 11.

I MEAN IT, THAT SOME OF THE THINGS WERE UPDATED IN YOUR PACKET, BUT I DID FIND THAT IN YOUR PACKET.

IT SAYS 11.

SO, AND WE DID DO, UH, CROSS SECTIONS.

AND SO HOW YOU SEE HOW THE TOP THERE, WE DID PROVIDE SOME CROSS SECTIONS TO SHOW YOU THAT THE HOUSES ARE DOWN LOWER AND THAT WAS PART OF BRINGING THOSE HOUSES FORWARD.

BEFORE WE USED TO HAVE THE ROAD GO ALONG THE RIDGE, BUT WORKING WITH STAFF, WE PUT THE ROAD AT THE BACK AND PUT THOSE HOMES DOWN BELOW THAT HILL.

SO I'M GONNA PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THIS ISSUE AS WELL.

UM, I AGREE WITH WHAT COLLIE HAS SAID AS WELL.

I MEAN, IN THE PACKET, THIS IS, THIS IS ALSO A FORCED SUBMITTAL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

SO THIS ISN'T THE FIRST OR SECOND SUBMITTAL AND IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, CODE REQUIREMENTS AREN'T BEING MET.

BUT IN PARTICULAR, I'M SORT OF STUCK ON THE, UH, CAPACITY ISSUE AS WELL BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO WORK.

AND IT'S STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT ARIZONA WATER COMPANY HAS SAID THAT THEY HAVEN'T RECEIVED ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION.

AND IF I JUST, LET ME FINISH.

YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR UNDER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 8.3, E 5K, I THINK I GOT THAT RIGHT.

APPROVAL CRITERIA APPLICABLE TO ALL DEVELOPMENT SUBDIVISION AND REZONING APPLICATION SECTION K.

I'LL JUST READ IT TO YOU 'CAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT.

UM, K PROVIDES ADEQUATE PUBLIC SERVICES AND FACILITIES, ADEQUATE PUBLIC SERVICE AND FACILITY CAPACITY MUST EXIST TO ACCOMMODATE, USES PERMITTED UNDER THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT THE TIME THE NEEDS OR DEMANDS ARISE WHILE MAINTAINING ADEQUATE LEVELS OF SERVICE TO THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.

PUBLIC SERVICES AND FACILITIES INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO ROADS, POTABLE WATER, SEWER SCHOOLS, PUBLIC SAFETY, FIRE PROTECTION LIBRARIES AND VEHICLE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS AND ACCESS WITHIN THE SITE AND TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

AND HOW I'M PERCEIVING WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

WILL WILL THIS WORK? WILL IT WORK? SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN APPROVE SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO WORK.

AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS THE FOURTH SUBMITTAL, THE STAFF HAS BEEN PRETTY CLEAR.

UM, THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR JOB IS TO NOT ONLY REVIEW THINGS, BUT TO ALSO HELP DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS DO THE RIGHT THING IF WE BUILDERS ARE NOT BUILDERS.

AND SO, UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I'M CURIOUS TOO AS TO WHY THIS IS STILL, THERE'S STILL SO MANY QUESTIONS AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, CAN WE EVEN DO IT? SO, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BASIC GUIDELINES PER THE CODE FOR, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO A PLOT.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M STUCK.

DIFFERENT, UH, THAN OUR LAST SUBMITTAL AND WHERE WE WENT DOWN THE CHECKLIST AND ANSWERED EVERYTHING.

WELL I WAS EVEN OUR, THE LETTER OF INTENT IN THERE THAT THEY GAVE WAS

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OKAY, SO YOU'RE, SO ARE YOU SAYING THE STAFF REPORTS MISSING? SO WE DON'T, SO WE DON'T HAVE THE LATEST AND THE GREATEST.

I DON'T THINK SO.

I MEAN, THERE'S STUFF MISSING OUT OF THERE THAT SUBMIT INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET WAS WHAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED ON THE LAST REVIEW.

SO IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT VERSION OF SOMETHING, THEN WE DON'T HAVE IT.

WHICH MEANS THAT WE DON'T HAVE IT TO REVIEW IN ORDER TO MAKE, I BELIEVE AN EDUCATED, EMPOWERED DECISION.

AND THE PACKET WAS OUT LAST WEEK, SO IF YOU GUYS WOULD'VE SEEN THINGS THAT WERE INCORRECT, YOU COULD HAVE LET STAFF KNOW LIKE, HEY, THAT'S NOT THE MOST UPTODATE.

YEAH, IT'S A LONG PACKET.

I GET THAT THINGS GET MISSED.

YEAH, THEY WON'T CHANGE THAT.

AND CHARLOTTE, I KNOW YOU'RE THERE, SO , I DON'T WANNA FORGET YOU AS WELL, IF YOU WANNA PIPE IN.

UM, ACTUALLY IN, IN TERMS OF QUESTIONS, UM, YOU'VE REALLY ADDRESSED ALL OF ADDRESSED THE ONES I HAD.

I, I WOULD JUST SAY SOME OF THE THINGS WHICH STAFF FOUND, UM, CURIOUS OR OR LACKING ARE NOT BIG IMPEDIMENTS TO ME.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE SHAPE OF THE LOTS CHOSEN, I'M ASSUMING THOSE SORT OF STUB THINGS WERE GARAGES PERHAPS OR ANTICIPATED BECAUSE THE GARAGES, UM, SO I, I CAN GET OVER SOME OF THOSE, BUT, UH, THE RIDGE LINE AND THE, THE VIEW, UM, THERE'S JUST A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE TIGHTENED UP.

AND I DON'T, I STILL DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW LOT SEVEN THROUGH 11 WOULD NOT HAVE DRIVEWAYS THAT THE DRIVEWAYS CAN BE FOR THEM TO PROVIDE AS OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPER.

PROVIDING IT FOR THE OTHER LOTS.

THAT DOESN'T QUITE MAKE SENSE IF I, MR. CORRECTLY.

I, UM, ALSO, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, WELL, SOMEWHERE IN THE PACKET IT SAID THERE WAS A POTENTIAL FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS WILL BROUGHT THAT UP AS A QUESTION.

AND MR. HIGHER SEEMED TO SAY, WELL REALLY THERE ISN'T, IF YOU GO LOOK AT SKYRIDGE, YOU LOOK AT LAKE SPRINGS, THERE REALLY ISN'T.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S EVEN A STATEMENT IN THE PACKAGE WHEN THEY'RE REFUTING IT RIGHT NOW.

AND THE OTHER THING I WAS A LITTLE CURIOUS ABOUT, IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE A GATED SUBDIVISION? MY INTENTION IS NOT TO PUT A GATE HERE.

I I THINK IT WOULD CLASH QUITE A BIT WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEN THE IDEA THAT NOBODY'S GONNA BE GOING IN THERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN SAY THAT IF THIS, IF YOU'RE NOT BARRING THE ENTRANCE WITH A GATE.

SO THAT BRINGS UP THE IMPORTANCE OF THE TRAIL TRAILS THROUGH, EVEN IF IT TURNS OUT TO JUST BE A CIRCULAR TRAIL.

UM, JUST OVERALL, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, AS TIER HAS SAID, THE NUMBER OF, UH, SUBMITTALS THIS HAS GONE THROUGH AND THE CONDITION OF THE PACKET AT THIS STAGE STILL IS SURPRISING TO ME.

AND I SUSPECT THAT STAFF JUST LET THIS COME TO US BECAUSE THEY WERE IN EFFECT THROWING UP THEIR HANDS AND SAYING WE'VE TOLD 'EM AS MUCH AS MANY TIMES AS WE CAN.

NOW YOU TELL 'EM.

UM, SO I GUESS IN A LITTLE BIT WE'LL GET A CHANCE TO TELL YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

I MIGHT TAKE A SECOND TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION ON DRIVEWAYS UP TOP.

SO WE, WE'VE SHOWN WHAT EFFECTIVELY IS THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE ROADWAY ON THAT COMMON AREA WITH THE HAMMERHEAD? OKAY.

THE INTERSTITIAL SPACE BETWEEN THAT HAMMERHEAD AND THOSE INDIVIDUAL BUILDING LOTS WILL BE COMMON AREA OPEN FOR MANIPULATION.

AREAS THEN FOR LANDSCAPING AND CONNECTING, RIGHT? YES.

MEANING IT'S NOT LIKE THE HILLSIDES, IT'S PROTECTED AND THE CONNECTIONS OFF OF THE ROAD THAT YOU SHOW, UH, WILL GO IN, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND, UM, AND I'VE GOTTA ADDRESS THAT IN, IN THE DECLARATION INSTRUMENT BECAUSE WHAT I'M DOING THERE IS PUTTING A DRIVEWAY IN THAT'S SERVICING FEWER THAN ALL, ALL OF THOSE PROPERTIES.

BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE THERE TO CONNECT.

THE REASON WHY WE HAVEN'T SHOWN IT YET, 'CAUSE WE'RE IN PRELIMINARY IS, YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS IS WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW THIS PLAN CONCEPTUALLY, OKAY, WORKS.

YOU ALL AGREE THIS WORKS, WORKS FOR IT.

UM, SO I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'D SAY.

I WOULD SAY ALSO WITH LOTS FOUR AND FIVE AND ONE, TWO, AND THREE, WHERE I'M SHOWING THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL ASKED ME TO SHOW THAT AND WE DREW IT OUT.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE LITTLE HAMMER HEADS ON THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE FIRE MARSHAL BEFORE SHE LEFT WANTED US TO DO.

AND THE GRAY

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AND, AND, UM, MAYBE I DO NEED TO GATE IT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I NEED TO THROW A FENCE AROUND THIS WHOLE THING.

'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I WENT UP THERE TODAY AND SOME OF YOU ALL WERE UP THERE AND, UM, SOMEBODY PUT UP A, A SERIES OF HAY BALES AND OBVIOUSLY BEEN SHOOTING THEIR BOW ON MY PROPERTY, BY THE WAY.

IT WOULD'VE GONE STRAIGHT INTO MS. SCOTT'S HOUSE IF HE'D MISSED IT.

UH, THERE'S OTHER, OTHER EVIDENCE OF PEOPLE GOING UP THERE AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A TENSION IN ERRORS IN, IN SEDONA.

LIKE, LIKE PEOPLE WANNA GET OUT INTO NATURE, BUT IT DOES NOT GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO GO ON TO PRIVATE PROPERTY.

THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC THROUGHWAY, YOU KNOW? AND MY HOPE IS THAT THE OWNERS WILL BE ABLE TO ENJOY THEIR PRIVACY ON THEIR PROPERTY THE SAME WAY EVERYBODY WHO LIVES IN SEDONA GETS TO ENJOY THEIR PRIVACY ON THEIR PROPERTY AND DOESN'T HAVE THE PUBLIC GOING THROUGH, WITHOUT PUTTING UP FENCING AND GATES.

'CAUSE I JUST THINK THAT WOULD CLASH WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT THE, THE, THE SYSTEM IN THERE, UH, TO THE EXTENT WE PUT A, A TRAIL OR ANY OTHER PEDESTRIAN WAY IN THERE, UM, IT IS BETTER UNDERSTOOD AS A PRIVATE AMENITY.

IT, IT IS NOT A PUBLIC THROUGHWAY.

AND, UM, I I'M SURE EVERYBODY HERE CAN APPRECIATE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU OWNED A PIECE OF LAND, YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH YOUR LAND TO GET TO THE FOREST.

A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING INTO SEDONA, I'M HERE FOR TWO DAYS, I DON'T CARE.

I'M GONNA GO CUT THROUGH HERE.

CUT THROUGH THERE.

SO, UH, I, I WOULD LIKE THE OWNERS WHO LIVE HERE TO ENJOY THE SAME PRIVACY THAT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES.

UH, BUT WITHOUT HAVING TO FENCE AND GATE THE WHOLE THING OFF.

'CAUSE I JUST, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA GO OVER WELL WITH MY NEIGHBORS AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING I WANT TO DO.

SO THERE'S A TENSION POINT THERE.

SO ONE LAST QUESTION.

UM, IN THE, UH, COMMUNICATION WE GOT FROM VARIOUS NEIGHBORS, I ASSUME ONE OF THOSE WAS YOUR DOWNSTREAM NEIGHBOR, UH, REFERRED TO AS DOWNSTREAM IN YOUR PACKET BECAUSE THERE COULD BE A RUNOFF ISSUE THAT, AND YOU WOULD BE SOMEHOW DEALING WITH THAT TO, TO, UH, PROTECT HIS PROPERTY.

HAS THERE BEEN COMMUNICATION WITH HIM, UH, TO HIS SATISFACTION ON THAT? I, I, I BELIEVE THE PROPERTY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE HOUSE IMMEDIATELY TO THE LEFT OF THE ENTRY, WHICH IS, UH, THE SHARI PROPERTY.

AND I WAS JUST, UH, MRS. SHERI PASSED AWAY ABOUT A YEAR AGO, AND, UH, I'M SAD TO HEAR, UM, BUT HER SON AND DAUGHTER NOW OWN THE PROPERTY THROUGH A TRUST.

AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO HIM REPEATEDLY.

WE SPOKE TO HIM SPECIFICALLY A WHILE BACK ABOUT DRAINAGE AND ASSURED HIM, YOU KNOW, THAT NOT ONLY IS IT NOT GOING TO INCREASE DRAINAGE, BUT ACCORDING TO OUR METRICS, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO CUT THE CURRENT SHEETING DOWN.

SO HE'S SATISFIED WITH THAT.

UM, AND I WAS ALSO TALKING TO HIM TODAY ABOUT THIS ENTRY AND OUR PLANS FOR THE ENTRY.

'CAUSE IT, IT IMPACTS HIM.

IT IS HIS ENTRY POINT.

UM, AND, UH, YES.

AND SO WE'RE IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH HIM, WITH THE LANDOWNERS THERE.

DOES ANYBODY IN THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY.

I'LL OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE I HAVE ANY CARDS.

BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

DISCUSSION.

WHEN SOMEONE DOESN'T BELONG IN MY COMMUNITY.

YOUR PIECE OF PROPERTY IS BEAUTIFUL AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW FOLKS TO OWN PROPERTY AND HAVE THE BEAUTIFUL VIEWS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY, PRETTY SPECIAL.

UM, IN LISTENING TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, YOUR PRESENTATION AND, AND LUKE'S PRESENTATION, I'M STILL REALLY HESITANT, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVING THIS.

AND, AND I KNOW YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS AND IN OUR COMMUNITY ACTIVATION IN SEDONA, NOT JUST GETTING FROM PUBLIC PLACE TO, TO PUBLIC PLACE, BUT JUST THE ACTIVATION OF COMMUNITY DOES DEAL WITH SIDEWALKS, DOES DEAL WITH PEOPLE COMING ON PROPERTY AND STATING THAT THIS IS NOT GONNA BE FENCED AT THIS POINT.

UM, I LIVE IN A FENCED COMMUNITY, UM, A GATED COMMUNITY, AND I KNOW

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AND SO WHEN THESE FOLKS WANT PRIVACY, THEY'LL NOT GET IT.

AND IF IT'S NOT GATED, UM, I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH NOT HAVING THE UTILITIES, NOT HAVING A CLEAR APPROVAL FROM FIRE, A CLEAR APPROVAL FROM PUBLIC WORKS, UM, THAT THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, A SUITABLE WAY TO GO.

UH, THE HAMMERHEAD LOCATION VERY CLOSE TO THE RESIDENCE IN LAY SPRINGS IS A CONCERN.

UM, WHERE THAT HAMMERHEAD IS, THERE'S A HOME PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT AREA.

WHAT'S THE CONCERN? THE HAMMERHEAD LOCATION'S PRETTY CLOSE TO SOMEONE'S PROPERTY IN LAY SPRINGS.

SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A CONCERN.

UM, AND HAVE YOU, HAD YOU HEARD FROM ANYONE IN YOUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH FROM THE LAY SPRINGS BOARD OF DIRECTORS REGARDING THIS PIECE? UH, BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, NO.

I, I WILL SAY WITH REGARDS TO, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HAMMER AT UP TOP, RIGHT? YEAH.

UM, WE ORIGINALLY HAD THE ROAD WHERE IT CURRENTLY EXISTS, TURNING ALONG THAT EDGE LINE.

AND IT WAS AT THE EXPRESS FEEDBACK OF STAFF RIGHT.

THAT WE CHANGED TO THIS DESIGN.

AND I, I GET IT THAT, YOU KNOW, A NEIGHBOR MIGHT NOT WANT TO LOOK DOWN ON A, A NEIGHBOR AND ANOTHER SUBDIVISION MIGHT NOT WANNA LOOK DOWN ON A ROAD MM-HMM .

UM, BUT , YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.

I MEAN, WE, WE ARE BUILDING THESE OUT.

I I I'M JUST TAKING WHAT MY COMMENTS ARE.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

OH, SORRY.

UM, AND SO I, I AM CONCERNED WITH THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION OR THE, THIS PACKET'S NOT CORRECT OR WE'RE MISSING PIECES.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL AT THIS POINT THAT THIS IS A, A PROJECT THAT WE CAN, CAN APPROVE MM-HMM .

WELL, WELL ACTUALLY I HOPE IT IS APPROVED.

UM, BUT I'M NOT READY TO BE ONE THAT VOTES FOR IT UNTIL THE LDC ISSUES ARE MM-HMM .

WE'RE DONE.

UH, AND SO, UH, HOPEFULLY THE WORK CAN BE DONE AND THERE'RE GONNA BE A MEETING OF THE MINDS AND IT CAN BE BROUGHT BACK TO US AND WE CAN SAY YES.

WHAT WILL SAID IS, I AGREE, ROB, SINCE THIS IS MY FIRST MEETING, I'M STRUGGLING WITH WHAT TO SAY, .

BUT, UH, YOU DO HAVE A, A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF GROUND.

IT WAS BEAUTIFUL TO WALK AROUND AND TO VISUALIZE WHAT WAS HAPPENING.

BUT I AGREE THAT THE, UH, ROAD WIDTHS AND, UH, STAFF CONCERNS ARE REAL.

AND, UH, ALSO AS I LOOK AT THE FOOTPRINT LAYOUTS, UM, I, I'D, I'D WRESTLING WITH WHAT ELSE I WOULD DO, BUT I DON'T THINK I'D DO THIS, CHARLOTTE.

UM, I REALLY HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO ADD, EXCEPT I DON'T THINK IT'S READY FOR PRIME TIME.

UM MM-HMM .

SOME OF THESE DIFFERENCES IN INTERPRETATION BETWEEN THE OWNER AND STAFF ARE RESOLVABLE.

UM, BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THEM SET OUT IN A MUCH MORE HEIGHT PACKET, UM, SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHY HE FEELS LIKE A CERTAIN CRITERIA DOES NOT NEED TO BE MET.

AND JUST WHAT POINT, COUNTERPOINT, JUST DOWN THE LINE.

UM, AND I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME IN PROCESS, SO I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME AND, UM, TIGHTEN IT UP, BRING IT BACK.

UM, I DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE SITE ITSELF.

I'VE DRIVEN PAST IT MANY TIMES APPARENTLY, BUT NEVER REALLY EXPLORED IT.

UM, I'M SURE IT WOULD BE VERY NICE.

I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT ONLY, UH, WITHOUT ANY KIND OF EMERGENCY ACCESS, NOT HAVING ANY SECONDARY METHOD OF GETTING OUT OF THERE.

ESPECIALLY IF THESE PEOPLE ARE USING 'EM, MS. SHORT TERM S THEN IT'S, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE AREA TRYING TO GET OUT IN CASE OF A FIRE.

SO THAT'S IT FOR MY COMMENTS.

THROW ONE WINNER IN.

SURE.

UM, IF, WHEN THIS COMES BACK TO US, CAN WE HAVE FIRE HERE? IS THAT SOMETHING WE'VE HAD THEM HERE FOR THINGS BEFORE WE COULD EXPLORE THAT IF IT YEAH.

CAN WE EXPLORE INVITING FIRE? IF, IF, WHEN THIS COMES BACK? THANK YOU.

ALL THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS SAID.

AND I JUST MIMIC WHAT

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I ABSOLUTELY HOPE THAT YOU CAN FULFILL YOUR DREAM.

I JUST THINK AT THIS POINT THAT IT'S NOT IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THERE.

AND AFTER FOUR SUBMITTALS, IT'S, IT'S DISAPPOINTING.

AND, UM, I JUST, I FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE INFORMATION IN A MORE COMPLETE PACKAGE, COMPREHENSIVE PACKAGE THAT REALLY MEETS ALL OF THE CONCERNS.

AND IF WE KNOW THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY EVEN DO IT.

BUT, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, REPEAT WHAT WILL SAID.

I HOPE IT COMES BACK AND I HOPE WE CAN GET IT DONE.

AND I HOPE YOU CAN HAVE YOUR DREAM, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO, UM, I, I, I HOPE YOU DON'T TAKE WHAT WE'RE SAYING AS YOU KNOW, AN UNDER LACK OF SUPPORT.

IT'S JUST THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A BEAUTIFUL PLACE FOR SOMEBODY TO LIVE.

AND WE HOPE THAT YOU CAN DO THIS.

SO WITH THAT AND A MOTION, ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I THINK IT'S 26.

DO YOU HAVE TO PACK IT UP? GO BACK UP.

OH, THANK I DO IT.

YOU GONNA DO IT? YOU FOUND IT.

I'LL SECOND YOU GO.

HOLD ON.

I MOVE TO RECOMMEND TO THIS SEDONA CITY COUNCIL DENIAL OF THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PRT AS SET FORTH IN CASE NUMBER PZ 23 DASH FIVE SUB CANYON VISION SUBDIVISION BASED ON LACK OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.5, AND CON CONSISTENCY WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLOT AND FAILURE TO SATISFY THE SUBDIVISION FINDINGS WITH APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ACCOMPANY EXHIBITS WHICH STAFF REPORT AND EXHIBITS ARE HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

I SECOND THAT MOTION.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

MOTION IS APPROVED FOR DENIAL.

WE'LL GO WITH THAT UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE.

THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK BEFORE THE WESTERN GATEWAY.

15 MINUTES.

SO MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM FIVE, OR SORRY, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING THE WESTERN GATEWAY MASTER PLAN.

OKAY, WE'RE LIVE NOW.

OKAY, WE'RE BACK IN SESSION.

ALL RIGHT,

[6. Discussion/Possible Direction regarding the Western Gateway Master Plan.]

CASE NUMBER PZ TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 0 0 4 MASTER PLAN, APPLICANT, CITY OF SEDONA.

CARRIE, THANK YOU.

UM, THIS IS ANOTHER WORK SESSION FOR THE WESTERN GATEWAY MASTER PLAN.

I AM JOINED AT THE TABLE BY JAY HICKS OF DIG STUDIO AND JEFF NER IS ALSO HERE.

UM, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH US TO DEVELOP THIS MASTER PLAN AND JAY IS GOING TO TAKE YOU THROUGH A PRESENTATION, UM, AND THEN WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AFTERWARDS.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH MADAM COMMISSIONER, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

SO WE HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION, UM, IT'S SOMEWHAT MAYBE REDUNDANT ON OUR FIELD TRIP THIS MORNING, SO I THINK THAT WAS VERY GOOD JUST TO WALK THROUGH THINGS TOGETHER.

UH, AND SO I WANNA JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME OF YOU SEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SO THIS IS MORE REFINEMENT.

WHAT WE REALLY WANNA START LOOKING AT TODAY IS THERE'S UM, UH, SOME DISCUSSION ON THE AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY BENEFIT WE WANNA LOOK AT.

WE WANNA LOOK AT, UH, BASICALLY THE UNIT NUMBERS.

WE HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION AROUND THOSE.

WE WANNA LOOK AT SOME COMPARABLE PROJECTS AND THEN ALSO A POSSIBLE PHASING.

SO I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS ACTUALLY BUILDS OUT.

ALRIGHT, SO THE FIRST IS A LITTLE BIT OF A REFINEMENT.

THAT WAS BEFORE.

UM, REALLY IT'S MUCH WHAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE.

I HAD THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT.

SO THE ONE THAT REALLY HAS NOW CHANGED IS WHERE WE HAD BLOCK 10 WAS A RE UH, WHICH REALLY HAS CHANGED ON THIS ONE.

SO WE JUST BLOCK 10.

YOU SEE NOW WITH THE MULTIFAMILY, THERE WAS ONE TO WHERE IT HAD THE REC CENTER ONLY

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IN THAT SITE.

WE'VE NOW, NOW DROPPED THAT ONE.

THE BIGGEST CHANGE ON THIS, THIS UH, PO BASICALLY THIS LINE IS REALLY, UH, HOW THINGS ARE GROUPED AND THEN ALSO THROUGH HOW WE'VE REALLY ILLUSTRATED.

SO WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW IT ALL WORKS OUT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLE A REC CENTER OR IT COULD BE JUST A PARK IN THE COMMUNITY.

UH, BASICALLY BENEFIT AREA ITSELF.

THERE'S ALSO, WE JUST, UH, AND AGAIN DURING, LET ME JUST BACK UP ONE TOO.

THE MIXED USE BLOCK HAS A NUMBER OF USES.

WE HAVE ILLUSTRATED EVERYTHING FROM RESIDENTIAL USES, MIXED USE, RESIDENTIAL TO LARGE, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE LARGE USER AND THEN ALSO EVEN A SERIES OF, UH, OFFICE BUILDINGS.

SO THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE PROBABLY THE MOST FLEXIBILITY AND THAT'S BASICALLY BLOCKS ONE AND TWO.

WITH THAT, WE'VE WENT AHEAD AND STARTED LOOKING AT A FAIRLY COMPREHENSIVE, UH, LOOK AT WHAT WE ALWAYS CALL THE LAND USE DATA.

SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE STARTED PUTTING IN EVERY LAND USE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS MORE FROM A TEST FIT STANDPOINT, REALLY IT'S ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE LARGER USES AND, BUT THE INTENT IS, IS TO REALLY SHOW HOW THINGS FIT ON THE SITE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ACTUALLY TRULY FIT.

AND SO THE TWO CATEGORIES TO REALLY LOOK AT RIGHT NOW ARE THE BUILDING HEIGHTS.

SO CURRENTLY YOU CAN GO TO ABOUT 22 UP TO 27 AND POSSIBLE UP TO 37 FEET.

TO DO A THREE OR FOUR STORY, YOU WOULD NEED TO GO UP TO ABOUT 45.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S STARTING TO SHOW UP ON SOME OF THESE CHARTS.

ALSO THE UNITS.

AND AS YOU LOOK AT THIS DEVELOPMENT CAPACITY, AND PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THESE ARE CAPACITY NUMBERS.

THIS IS THE MAX WE'RE LOOKING AT.

SO THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THIS COULD ACTUALLY YIELD.

NOT SAYING THAT YOU KNOW, THAT YOU HAVE TO HIT THE MAXIMUM.

THIS JUST SAYS THIS IS THE AMOUNT THAT IT ACTUALLY CAN REASONABLY HOLD BASED ON THIS TEST FIT.

THERE'S NOTHING SAID.

YOU CAN ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, PUT FEWER, UH, BASICALLY FEWER UNITS ON.

SO THIS STARTS GIVING SOME INFORMATION EVEN TO THE POINT WHERE WE START LOOKING AT EVEN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON LIKE THE BLOCKS, BASICALLY THE MULTI-USE BLOCKS, WHICH IS ABOUT 70,000 SQUARE FEET.

SO WE'VE TRIED TO BE VERY REALISTIC ON THE NUMBER OF PARKING, UH, THE SURFACE PARKING, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS A COMET THAT CAME OUT LAST TIME TO MAKE SURE IF WE'RE LEAVING SURFACE PARKING, IS IT REAL SHOWN THE PLANET END IS NOW ONE OF AN EXAMPLES.

I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD JUST PUT THIS IN.

AND AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN DOING MAINLY NOT SO MUCH LOOKING AT YOUR CURRENT ZONING UH, CATEGORIES, BUT WE'VE REALLY LOOKED AT THE TEST FITS MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE TO SEE WHAT ACTUALLY WOULD ACCOMMODATE IF YOU APPLIED YOUR MULTI-FAMILY CODE THAT YOU HAVE TODAY, WHICH IS 20 UNITS TO THE ACRE, AND YOU CAN GET UP TO 37 FEET.

REALLY IT'S MORE ABOUT TWO STORY.

AND THEN THERE'S AN OCCASIONAL THREE STORY.

SO THAT'S HOW YOU GET TO THAT POINT.

SO IF YOU LOOKED AT A GROSS AMOUNT AND WHAT WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GROSS ACRES, WE'RE INCLUDING ALL THE ROADS, ALL THE OPEN SPACE, ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

SO ON THE LEFT WOULD SHOW THAT WE HAVE ABOUT 600.

IT IT YIELD UNDER YOUR CURRENT KIND OF ZONING CODES IF IT WENT THAT WAY, WAY 614 UNITS.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE TO THE RIGHT, UH, BASICALLY WHAT THAT'S SHOWING IS I'VE JUST TAKEN OUT THE NET OF THE OPEN SPACE AND THAT'S IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER AND WHAT THAT REALLY YIELDS NOW IS 502.

AND WHAT THAT REALLY SHOWS IS IT'S A GOOD CHECK AND BALANCE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 504 SHOWN ON THE TEST FIT.

SO THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY CLOSE.

SO WE'RE NOT ASKING OR WE'RE NOT REPRESENTING SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S OUT OF LINE SO TO SPEAK, BUT YOUR CURRENT ZONING, IT'S JUST THE AMOUNT OF UNITS I THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE, UH, NOT ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING.

AND I'LL GO THROUGH THAT ON THE PHASING MAYBE TO HELP BREAK THAT DOWN TOO.

CAN I JUMP IN ON TO THE QUESTION? GO AHEAD.

IT WOULD BE NICE NOT HAVE TO HAVE A LOOP ROAD CUTTING THROUGH THAT PARCEL.

UM, WHEN YOU SAY IT'S NOT REALLY TAKING ZONING INTO ACCOUNT, ARE THESE PARKING COUNTS BASED ON OUR CURRENT PARKING CODE? THEY ARE, YES.

YEAH, TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE, THE PLANS ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

THE ONE THING I SHOULD CLARIFY ON THE CHART IS THE OPEN SPACE.

AND SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE PER PARCEL OR IT CAN BE SORT OF A SHARED OPEN SPACE THROUGHOUT.

AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM THE STANDPOINT OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, YOU COULD PROBABLY APPLY THE OPEN SPACE TO THE OVERALL AMOUNT RATHER THAN TRYING TO SATISFY IT PER PARCEL.

THE SECOND ONE IS PROBABLY, UH, THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S PROBABLY CHANGED THE MOST.

AND AGAIN, A LOT OF THE SAME AREAS OF THE MULTI-USE AND THE RESIDENTIAL ESTATE THE SAME.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AND SO ONE OF THE MAJOR PIECES IS OBVIOUSLY TAKING BLOCK 10, WHICH WAS THE TWO, BASICALLY TWO STORY APARTMENTS AND REALLY LOOKING THAT AS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT, MEANING, YOU KNOW, IN WITHIN THE CITY.

AND THAT'S ABOUT, UM, TOTAL, IT'S ABOUT, I THINK 7.7 ACRES.

WE ALSO DID A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WITH THE ROAD BECAUSE IF THAT BECAME ALL ONE PARCEL OR BASICALLY A CITY USE,

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SO WE'VE ACTUALLY BACKED IT OFF.

AND THEN THE ANTICIPATED USE WOULD BE, IS THERE STILL A DRIVE THAT COULD ACTUALLY STILL GO TO OBVIOUSLY THE WESTERN GATEWAY TRAILHEAD? SO IN ANY WAY IT COULD EVEN BE ON SPECIAL EVENTS THAT THAT ACCESS MAY BE EVEN CLOSE, WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THE ENTIRE AREA.

SO RATHER THAN BEING COMBINED TO A 2.9 OR A 4.8, YOU COULD ACTUALLY COMBINE IT INTO MUCH LARGER COMMUNITY BENEFIT AREA.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE MAJOR ROAD ACTUALLY CHANGED ON THAT PIECE.

AND JUST AN ILLUSTRATION, WHETHER IT'S A REC CENTER OR WHETHER IT'S OVERALL, YOU CAN START SEEING HOW THE MORE THE, THE WIDER DARKER, UM, THE WIDER, EXCUSE ME, UH, GRAY LINES NOW START SHOWING THE ROADWAYS ON HOW IT LOOPS THROUGH.

UM, THIS PARTICULAR ONE I SEE WE HAVEN'T REALLY CHANGED MUCH OF THE LAYOUT.

WE DO WANNA POINT OUT, BECAUSE WE WERE ON SITE TODAY IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES.

WE HAVE THE COMM KIND OF THE COMMUNITY USE OR THE COMMUNITY PARK, WHICH REALLY IS DRIVEN TOWARD ATTRACTING THE GREATER, BASICALLY THE GREATER COMMUNITY.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IS BECAUSE NOW THAT PEOPLE WILL BE LIVING HERE AND THEY DO HAVE, UH, A FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY A HIGHER DENSITY LIVING, WE SEE THAT AS NEEDING AT THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

SO NOT TO SAY THE PUBLIC CAN ENJOY IT, BUT IT'S REALLY FOCUSED ON THAT.

AND THE EXISTING TERRACE SCENE THAT'S THERE FROM THE, UM, FROM THE AMPHITHEATER ACTUALLY MAKES A PERFECT, YOU KNOW, TERRACE AS IT GOES UP WITH A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES.

WE ACTUALLY WALKED IT TODAY AND IT COULD HAVE A MULTIPLE ABUSES USES.

AND AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE, THE NUMBERS ONCE MORE IS WE HAVE THE SAME SORT OF HEIGHT ISSUES.

UH, ON ONE IT GOES UP TO 45, EVERYTHING PRETTY MUCH OTHERWISE STAYS PRETTY CLOSE EVEN THOUGH ON ON THREE STORY IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A, AT LEAST THE ABILITY TO GO TO 35 OVERALL.

AND THEN THIS ONE YIELDS FOUR 15 AND IF WE DO THE SAME, UH, KIND OF EXERCISE WHERE WE WENT BACK AGAIN, IF WE LOOKED AT TAKING BLOCKS 10 AND ALSO FOR CAN BE USE OUT OF IT, IT WILL STILL YIELD ABOUT 514 ON A GROSS BASIS.

IF WE NET IT OUT, IT'S ACTUALLY COMES BACK DOWN TO 402 AND CURRENTLY WE'RE AT 415 ON THE OTHER PLANT.

SO WE'RE REALLY CLOSE.

WE DIDN'T DO THIS TILL AFTERWARDS, HONEST, UH, WE WERE REALLY CLOSE.

BUT EVEN WALKING TODAY, THERE'S SOME ITEMS IN HERE WE WOULD PROBABLY, OR BLOCKS WE WOULD TIGHTEN UP A LITTLE BIT.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE AREA IN AND AROUND THIS ZONE IS PROBABLY TOO TIGHT UP AGAINST UH, THE WASH AREA THAT'S THERE NOW.

AND SO I THINK WE'D WANT TO TIGHTEN THAT UP EVEN TO THE POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE BLOCK UP BLOCK, UH, BASICALLY THREE WHERE TOWN THEM ARE, WE WOULD PROBABLY TIGHTEN THAT UP BY TWO OR THREE.

AND AGAIN, ONCE WE WERE ON SITE A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH A PLAN IN HAND, THINGS STARTED MAKING SENSE AND OTHER THINGS JUST LIKE YOU COULD TIGHTEN UP A LITTLE BIT, YOU COULD EASE UP A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE.

SO ANYWAY, BUT IT WAS A, IT WAS A GOOD WALKTHROUGH, WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SORT OF VISUALIZE THE PIECES AND PARTS THAT ACTUALLY MAKE UP THE PLAN.

THIS JUST ILLUSTRATES REALLY SORT OF THE TWO ROAD ALIGNMENTS, JUST TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR.

UH, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT IT AND EVEN TO THE POINT WHERE, UM, SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT REALLY DOES CUT APART THE TWO BLOCKS, WHEREAS THIS ONE REALLY JOINS THE TWO IF THEY CAME TOGETHER.

THE OTHER ASPECT TOO, I JUST WANNA MENTION RIGHT NOW THIS IS THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY.

THERE PROBABLY COULD BE SOME FLEXIBILITY MOVING THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER DEPENDING ON THOSE BLOCKS USE.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULD RECOMMEND ON ANY OF THE PLANS THAT THE PARCELS COULD PROBABLY FLEX LIKE 20% IN SIZE JUST SO YOU HAVE THAT ABILITY TO KIND OF MOVE THESE THINGS AROUND JUST A LITTLE BIT, NOT DRASTICALLY.

BUT OVERALL, JUST A SLIGHTLY, WE ALSO STARTED LOOKING A LITTLE BIT AT STREET SECTIONS.

SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW, THIS WOULD BE CULTURAL PARK PLACE INTERSECTION AT THIS POINT.

AND AS YOU COME UP THROUGH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT HAS MUCH MORE, UH, KIND OF ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND MAINLY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TWO THINGS.

ONE IS IF THERE'S EVER A PASS SYSTEM THAT'S REALLY DEVELOPED ALONG OR BIKE LANES THAT WE CONTINUE 'EM ALL THE WAY INTO THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AND ALSO THE WESTERN GATEWAY TRAILHEAD AND THEN ALSO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOUR PARK AND RIDE THAT'S CURRENTLY NOW WITH A WIDER SIDEWALK SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY BRING PEOPLE THROUGH.

AND SO THERE'S MANY WAYS YOU CAN KIND OF SLICE AND DICE THIS AND EVEN TO THE POINT WHERE YOU COULD ACTUALLY HAVE SEPARATED BIKE PATHS OR YEAH, SEPARATE BIKE PATHS COMPLETELY OR EVEN GO TO A MULTI-USE PATH THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UP TO 12 OR 15 FEET WIDE TOO.

SO LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT I THINK THE MAIN THING HERE

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IS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION THAT REALLY DOES CONNECT THE OUTER COMMUNITY INTO, INTO THIS.

ALONG WITH BEING ABLE TO HAVE TRANSIT, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE TRANSIT ROUTES THAT COME THROUGH.

THE NEXT ONE IS REALLY IN AND AROUND SORT OF THE MULTI, UH, MULTI-USE AREA.

AND THIS ONE IS ALWAYS ANTICIPATED THAT IT COULD HAVE A COMMERCIAL USE OR RETAIL USE, BUT IT MAY JUST BE UM, YOU KNOW, AN OFFICE OR COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE.

AND JUST HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DO HEAD IN PARKING I THINK IS GOOD BECAUSE ONE SIDE SPECIFICALLY MAYBE THIS SIDE COULD HAVE THE HIDDEN PARKING WHERE YOU MAY HAVE TOWN HOMES OR APARTMENTS ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THEY'RE STILL QUITE ISOLATED BUT STILL BE ABLE TO BRING EVERYBODY TOGETHER.

AND AGAIN, HAVING ALL THIS THROUGH THIS ONE IS MORE OF A COMPLETE STREETS PROGRAM TO WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE SO MUCH THE WHOOPS, SORRY, THE UM, YOU DON'T SO MUCH HAVE THE PARKING, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE UM, THE BIKE LANES HAVING THEIR OWN, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE SHARING A LANE.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER.

AND THEN THE THIRD IS REALLY SORT OF THE COMMON STREET THAT GOES THROUGH AND DEPENDING, AND THIS REALLY DEPENDS ON ONCE IF THIS IS DEVELOPED, WHAT THIS ROAD WANTS TO BE, WHETHER IT'S CONSIDERED A MAJOR COLLECTOR AND THEN IT HAS TO FALL PRETTY MUCH INTO CITY STANDARDS.

YOU MAY NOT HAVE PARKING ON THE SIDE, BUT THE INTENT IS ANYTIME THAT WE CAN PUT PARALLEL PARKING, IT AUTOMATICALLY SLOWS THE SPEED DOWN.

AND SO EVEN THOUGH I THINK, I THINK CULTURAL PLACE IS SIGNED AT 25 AND IT DOES PRETTY WELL RIGHT NOW BECAUSE PART OF IT'S GRAVEL, BUT IT MAY BE A NICE LITTLE SHOT DOWN THE HILL.

AND SO I THINK AS YOU GO THROUGH, THINK ABOUT SORT OF THE FRICTION ON THE SIDES JUST TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.

SORRY, TAG IT HERE.

HANG ON, LEMME JUST GET PAST THIS.

THERE WE GO.

ALSO, WE WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE OVERALL, UH, OPEN SPACE AND THEN ALSO THE TRAIL SYSTEM.

THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN SPACE WITHIN HERE, ESPECIALLY INTERNAL.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ROBUST TRAIL SYSTEM.

THERE'S MAKINGS OF THAT FROM SORT OF THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE, BUT ALSO BEING ABLE TO CONNECT NOT ONLY TO BASICALLY OUT TO 89 A INTO THE BIGGER COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO THE US FOREST SERVICE.

THERE'S ALSO, IN FACT IT'S, WE HAD , WE WERE HERE PRETTY MUCH ALL DAY AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU SKETCH THINGS AND YOU WISH YOU COULD SHOW MORE THINGS TONIGHT YOU THAT YOU WE'VE KIND OF BEEN WORKING ON.

BUT WE EVEN LOOKED AT A POSSIBLE TRANSIT ROUTE THAT LITERALLY WOULD COME THROUGH AND IT COULD COME UP AND HAVE A STOP IN THIS ZONE.

USE DEVELOPMENT, AGAIN, IT COULD TAKE THE FORM OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

IT COULD HAVE ANOTHER STOP AND IT ACTUALLY COULD EVEN LOOP UP, GO IN FRONT OF THE REC CENTER AND THEN RIGHT BACK OUT AGAIN AND BACK OUT.

SO LIKE I SAID, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT LOOP JUST CONSTANTLY WORKS THROUGH THERE AND WE WILL ADD A DIAGRAM ON A POSSIBLE TRANSIT ROUTE ON THROUGH HERE.

SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT.

THAT WAY IT ACTUALLY DOES CONNECT EVERYTHING, NOT JUST FROM A ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND A PASSIVE PATH SYSTEM, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR CONNECTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS BUT ALSO INTO THE GREATER HOLE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.

ALRIGHT, AND I GONNA PASS THIS GUY BY, I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT, AND YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THIS, BUT IT'S MORE JUST A REFRESHER ON THE TYPICAL, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF OF PRODUCT TYPES.

FORGIVE ME THAT THEY'RE NOT SEDONA RED OR BROWN COLOR, BUT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO LOOK AT THE MASSING AND THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE, UH, INVOLVED IN THEM.

SO THIS WOULD BE SORT OF THE TRADITIONAL TOWN HOMES THAT WE'RE ILLUSTRATING.

UH, BASICALLY WITHIN THIS TOP, UH, THIS TOP AREA, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS MOST LIKELY JUST A TWO STORY WITH A TUCK UNDER PARKING AND BEING ABLE, AND WE WERE ALL UP THERE TODAY, THE VIEWS ARE OBVIOUSLY PHENOMENAL FROM UP THERE AND IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, JUST A SPECTACULAR AREA FOR KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR HOUSING AND PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY LIVE THERE.

I KEEP HITTING THE WRONG ONE, SORRY.

THE OTHER IS, AGAIN, GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS, WHICH MOST PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH.

THOSE ARE TWO STORY WALK-UPS, THE THREE TO FOUR STORY APARTMENTS.

THESE TAKE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SHAPES AND SIZES AND CONFIGURATIONS AND DEPENDING ON FLORIDA HEIGHT, PARAPETS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY HAVE A PEAKED ROOF OR NOT.

THIS JUST SHOWS A THREE WHERE THIS IS ACTUALLY A FOUR THAT ACTUALLY HAS A RELATIVELY LOW PROFILE JUST BECAUSE JUST THE WAY IT'S ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED ITSELF.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANNA MENTION, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT THIS IN IN DEPTH TODAY, UH, AND ONCE YOU'RE IN THIS SPACE AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, VISUALIZE AND WE HAD CARRY OUT THERE HOLDING A 25 FOOT HIGH STICK OUT THERE, WHICH WAS GREAT AND WE ALL WERE ABLE TO STEP BACK.

SO I THINK WE STARTED FEELING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE SCALE OF THIS WOULD BE AT EITHER TWO, THREE OR FOUR STORIES WORRIES AND FORWARD.

DO YOU MIND HELPING ME OUT THERE? YEP.

SORRY.

YEP.

UH, MIXED

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IT CAN BE ALL HOUSING, IT CAN BE RETAIL WITH HOUSING ABOVE.

IT CAN BE ONE LARGE USER, IT COULD BE A SERIES OF USERS.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY KEY JUST TO KNOW HOW MUCH FLEXIBILITY YOU CAN HAVE WITHIN THE MIXED USE AREAS THEMSELVES.

ALSO THE INTEGRATION AND, AND WE'VE, YOU'VE SEEN I THINK THIS SLIDE BEFORE, UM, WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT I THINK WHAT ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY SPACE, THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT SPACE IS JUST THE OPPORTUNITY NOW THAT IT GIVES THE OVERALL COMMUNITY TO GATHER, UH, WHETHER IT'S JUST FOR FESTIVALS OR YOU KNOW, CONCERTS OR WHATEVER ELSE.

I THINK IT'S KEY NOW TO SORT OF BASICALLY TO BUILD YOUR COMMUNITY.

UH, JEFF WAS JUST UP IN FLAGSTAFF, UH, AT THE, I THINK IT'S CALLED PEPSI CENTER.

THE PEPSI, YEAH.

SO IT WAS INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT WAS SORT OF A TOURIST SOMEWHAT, BUT MOST EVERYBODY, HE COMMENTED TO ME, ALMOST EVERYBODY THERE WAS FROM THE COMMUNITY ITSELF.

SO THEY CREATED A COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE, YOU KNOW, ON A REGULAR BASIS.

AND I THINK THIS COULD HAVE A SIMILAR KIND OF DRAW BASICALLY FOR YOUR, YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY, A REC CENTER.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK AND DISCUSSION AND, AND ON REC CENTERS IT PROVED OUT AS, YOU KNOW, A NEED OR ACTUALLY A WANT BY THE COMMUNITY.

IT DOES FIT WITHIN THE SITE ITSELF.

OBVIOUSLY IT GIVES YOU A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, ASPECTS.

WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT POSSIBLE CLIMBING WALLS OVER THE POOL.

SO ANYWAY, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS WE CAN WORK WITH, BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS YET TO BE DETERMINED, BUT AGAIN, IT JUST SHOWS YOU THAT IT COULD BE PART OF THAT OVERALL COMMUNITY FIELD.

I WANNA CHANGE IT JUST A LITTLE BIT TO SOME OF YOUR, UM, THE COMMENTS, OR EXCUSE ME, NOT COMMENTS, BUT THE SORT OF YOUR COMPARABLE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE IN YOUR TOWN TODAY.

AND CARRIE AND STEVE WERE ABLE TO HELP US ON THIS AND I MAY MISQUOTE SOME OF THESE, SO PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I GET 'EM WRONG.

UH, THIS WAS BUILT IN ABOUT 2015 TO PRESENT, IT'S TOTAL OF 16 POINT, EXCUSE ME, 3.8 ACRES OR SO, 68 TOTAL UNITS AT ABOUT 16.6 DEVELOPMENT UNITS PER ACRE, UNITS PER ACRE.

SO THAT'S ABOUT THIS ONE.

THE VISUAL WINDHAM OPINION LOFTS YEAR BUILT 2020.

IT IS 2.26 ACRES, 45 UNITS AND ABOUT ALMOST 20 UNITS TO THE ACRE.

OBVIOUSLY TAKEN VERY, I THINK VERY EARLY IN ITS, UH, COMPLETION NAVAJO LOTS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

UH, BASICALLY FOUR AND A HALF ACRES, 60 UNITS ABOUT 13.3.

AND I BELIEVE IS THIS A FOUR SALE PRODUCT? IS THAT RIGHT? THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE PLAT PROCESS.

THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

GOING THROUGH THE PLAT PROCESS, RIGHT.

BROOK APARTMENTS, THIS IS BUILT SOME TIME AGO, UH, 87, BUT I THINK IT'S STILL INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S KIND OF TUCKED INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 4.39 ACRES, 54, BUT IT TURNS OUT, WHICH IS INTERESTING, IT'S UH, WITH NOT INCLUDING OR INCLUDING EVERYTHING MUCH LIKE I WAS SHOWING YOU BEFORE ON OURS WHERE IT HAD THE GROSS ACREAGE, IT'S ABOUT 12.3, BUT IF YOU TAKE OUT SORT OF THE UNDEVELOPED AREA OR SORT OF THEIR OPEN SPACE AREA, IT JUMPS UP TO ABOUT 16 UNITS TO THE ACRE.

OKAY, GOOD.

SO I WANT TO JUMP TO A LITTLE BIT OF SORT OF CONCEPTUAL PHASING JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF REALIZE OR SEE VISUALIZE HOW THIS WOULD COME TOGETHER WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT, UH, SEVEN TO EIGHT ACRES OF COMMUNITY BENEFIT.

YOU TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY 400 PLUS, UH, OR SOMEWHERE AROUND 400 UNITS.

AND SO THIS IS PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ENVISIONED OVER A 10 TO 15 YEAR PERIOD.

AND SO, UH, WHAT I WANNA TRY TO ILLUSTRATE IS SORT OF HOW YOU MAY TAKE THIS DOWN IN PIECES BASED ON A COUPLE DIFFERENT ITEMS, WHETHER INFRASTRUCTURE OR THE POINT AT WHICH, UH, A COUNCIL CAN ACTUALLY MAKE DECISIONS AROUND A PROPERTY OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS OR SO.

SO STARTING OUT WITH A BASE PLAN, I'VE JUST LOCATED TWO OPEN SPACES.

THIS IS ONE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE VERY SOUTHWEST CORNER, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THE GATEWAY ARRIVAL AND THEN ALSO THE ESCARPMENT, WHICH IS JUST ABOVE WHAT THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT WOULD BE.

SO YOU COULD GO IN FIRST PHASE AND YOU COULD SAY, OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO EIGHTY TWO A HUNDRED TWENTY, UH, BASICALLY APARTMENTS.

AND CURRENTLY YOU HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT COMES UP TO THIS POINT AND SO YOU'RE RELATIVELY SERVED ALREADY.

UH, THE OTHER PORTION IS YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP PART OF THE PARK AND GET IT AT LEAST USED AND FUNCTIONAL.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMPLETELY BUILD IT OUT.

SO THIS SORT OF LIKE A VERY EASY KIND OF FIRST PHASE AND IT'S SORT OF DIPPING YOUR TOE INTO SORT OF THE DEVELOPMENT

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AND SEE WHAT COULD BE YIELD, I MEAN WHAT THE MARKET WOULD YIELD ON A POSSIBLE HOUSING TYPE AND DIVERSITY, OH SHOOT, SORRY, I KEEP HITTING THE WRONG ONE.

I GOT TWO, TWO OF 'EM HERE.

ALRIGHT, LET ME GET BACK TO THIS.

THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE IS IF YOU WOULD WANT TO, AND YOU COULD ACTUALLY COMBINE THESE TWO TOGETHER.

THIS COULD ACTUALLY GET, YOU KNOW, TO ABOUT 152 UNITS OR SO, BUT ACTUALLY BRINGING THE TOWN HOMES IN.

BUT IF THIS WAS ALL A TOWN HOME PRODUCT, YOU WOULD PROBABLY WANNA DO ALL THESE PIECES AT ONE TIME.

AND AGAIN, WHILE YOU KNOW WHETHER A REC CENTER'S ON, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE DISCUSSION OR MADE A DECISION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION TODAY.

IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE YEARS OR ONE YEAR OR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW BEFORE YOU HAVE TO MAKE ANY DECISION ON BLOCK 10.

THE SAME ON BLOCK ONE AND TWO, BECAUSE OF THE VARIOUS USES, IT MAY TAKE A WHILE, UH, TO REALLY SORT OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT SHOULD BE, SHOULD IT BE MORE HOUSING, SHOULD IT BE SOME LARGER USE? SHOULD IT BE, UH, A RETAIL OR, YOU KNOW, SOME USE LIKE THAT.

SO BLOCK 10, ONE AND TWO, JUST THINK OF THOSE AS ALMOST LIKE THE CITY'S LAND BANKING.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY OVER THE YEARS TO DO THOSE.

GOSH, SORRY, I KEEP HITTING THE WRONG ONE.

THE NEXT ONE, AND I SHOULD HAVE BROKEN THIS IN.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU LOOK AT THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND THEN YOU PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN, YOU GO, AND WE SHOULD HAVE BROKEN THESE APART.

BUT WHAT YOU COULD DO IS YOU COULD ACTUALLY THEN GO FROM THESE TWO BLOCKS EVEN TO THE 88, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE 80 UNITS, YOU DON'T NEED TO JUMP INTO BASICALLY A TWO 80 OR SOMETHING RIGHT OFF THE START.

SO EVEN WITH THIS ONE NOW, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY AT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 232 UNITS AT EVEN THESE PIECES.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS A RELATIVELY EASY THING TO GET TO CURRENTLY BECAUSE YOU'RE ABOUT, YOU'RE MAYBE GETTING INTO A LIFT STATION, MAYBE NOT, BUT YOU'RE NOW YOU'RE KIND OF GOING UP OVER THE RIDGE.

IT WOULD PROBABLY, IT MAY ALSO TRIGGER DOING THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY FROM, YOU KNOW, YEAR ONE TO YEAR X TO REALLY LOOK AT THESE PARCELS.

THE NEXT IS IF YOU FINALLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE MIXED USE BLOCK, YOU MAKE THE DECISION, YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

AND AGAIN, IT CAN BE EMPLOYMENT, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING FROM A LARGE USER.

IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE USERS.

AND THEN IF SOMETHING GOES AWRY WITH, YOU KNOW, THE REC CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THAT INTO HOUSING BECAUSE 15 YEARS FROM NOW, YOU MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE.

SO YOU MAY BE SAYING, OKAY, WE DON'T NEED THE LAND, OR AGAIN, BLOCK SEVEN SATISFIED WHAT WE CAN DO ON THIS PROPERTY AND WE'RE DONE.

SO THE ALTERNATE OF THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY YOU GO AHEAD AND BRING IT ALL THE WAY IN.

AND AGAIN, THAT COULD BE DECIDED DAY ONE, OR IT COULD BE DECIDED DAY 15, OR EXCUSE ME, YEAR 15.

SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A FEEL ON HOW THIS THING MAY BE BE TAKEN DOWN IN SORT OF BITE-SIZED PIECES RATHER THAN, BECAUSE YOU SEE ALL OF THESE UNITS AT ONE TIME, YOU GO, OH MY GOSH.

BUT IF YOU START LOOKING AT DELIVERING ANYWHERE FROM 80 TO A HUNDRED UNITS EVERY FIVE YEARS, IT, YOU KNOW, THEN IT STARTS GETTING, MAKES YOU BACK INTO FOCUS AGAIN AND AGAIN AT YEAR 10 OR 15, IT CAN ALWAYS BE REEVALUATED WHETHER ARE WE MEETING WHAT WE NEED, UH, OR NOT AND DOES, YOU KNOW, OTHER PROPERTIES NOW SATISFY WHAT WE NEED ALSO.

AND WITH THAT ALL YIELD THE FLOOR.

SO I THINK THE PROCESS AT THIS TIME WILL BE, I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE AND WE HAVE SOME MORE CARDS.

UM, IS THAT WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR SOME QUESTIONS AND SOME DISCUSSION AND THEN WE WILL OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC.

AND I DO HAVE CARDS HERE, SO IF YOU HAVEN'T FILLED ONE OUT, PLEASE DO SO.

EVERYBODY'S OPINION IS VALUED AND IMPORTANT.

UM, I APPRECIATE THE TIME IT'S TAKEN TO SIT THROUGH THIS.

SO LET'S SEE.

LET'S START WITH THE COMMISSION.

ANYBODY WANNA SPEAK UP FIRST? I'LL GO FIRST.

OKAY, GO FOR IT.

I HAVE A, I'VE MADE IT TWO HOURS, SO NOW I CAN SPEAK.

UM, SO WE CAN ASK ANY QUESTION.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO COMPLIMENT THE, UH, PLANNING TEAM.

UM, WE HAD A TOUR THIS TODAY AND, UM, IF YOU COULD SHOW THE SLIDE FOR, UH, OPTION TWO BUILDING TEST FIT.

WE GOT IT.

WERE PART OF THE AMPHITHEATER AS A COMMUNITY GARDEN.

GO YOU QUICKER THAN I CAN.

YEP.

UH, THE ONE TO TWO STORY TOWN HOMES IN THE, UH, SOUTHWEST CORNER FOLLOWS THE NATURAL GRADE AND THEY TALKED ABOUT REUSING THE PLATFORMS AND STEPS THAT

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I THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY GOOD, UH, USE OF NOT TEARING DOWN THE ENTIRE AMPHITHEATER SITE AND, UH, USING SOME OF THAT AND, UH, THE LARGE PIECE GOES BY.

BUT A LOT OF THAT, UH, UH, THE CONCRETE'S IN GREAT CONDITION AND I THINK THAT WAS A REALLY, A REALLY NICE MOVE, UH, IN THAT AREA.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO COMPLIMENT YOU ON, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF REROUTING THE STREET.

UH, IT'S INTRIGUING THE CONNECTION THAT CAN BE MADE BETWEEN COMMUNITY SPACES.

UM, PERHAPS THAT'S NOT CONCRETE OR PAVED AS IT IS NOW, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT, UH, DRIVING ALONG THE EDGE OF THE HILL AND LOOKING AT THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT COULD BE KIND OF INTERESTING.

UH, I, I COMPLIMENT YOU ON THAT, THAT CHANGE.

UM, AND SO THAT'S, UH, IIII DO, I I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS.

UM, YOU'VE GOT THEM AS THREE TO FOUR STORIES, RIGHT? CORRECT.

UM, AS, AS A, AS AN ARCHITECT WHO DI DESIGNED MULTI-HOUSING AND BUILDINGS, UM, I THINK ONCE YOU GET TO THREE STORIES, YOU'VE GOT A SIZABLE MASS OF A BUILDING AND ANOTHER STORY'S, UH, NOT A BIG ISSUE FOR ME PERSONALLY.

UM, I THINK A DESIGNER COULD CLEVERLY UH, NOT ACCENT THE VERTICAL, CREATE HORIZONTALS, PERHAPS A STRONG BASE.

I THINK, UH, I WOULD, UH, SUPPORT FOUR STORY.

UH, I JUST THINK IT'S UP TO THE DESIGNER TO MAKE IT NOT LOOK LIKE A MONOLITH BOX.

UM, PERHAPS THE FOURTH FLOOR IS ONLY 75% OF THE BUILDING.

PERHAPS IT SETS BACK FROM THE EDGE.

MAYBE THERE'S MORE GLASS.

THERE'S MANY THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE.

I THINK WHAT IT DOES IS IT INCREASES OPPORTUNITY FOR HOUSING AND IT GIVES MORE OPEN SPACE BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST GOING THAT WAY.

UM, I HAD A QUESTION ON THE COMMUNITY PARK.

IN YOUR MIND, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE, OR SOMEONE'S MAYBE YOU CARRY, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS PARK AND POSSE GROUND? 'CAUSE I JUST ATTENDED THE RED DIRT CONCERT AND YOU KNOW, THERE WERE MANY CITIZENS THERE.

WHAT, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN YOUR MIND? SO WE TALKED WITH JOSH IN OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS HE HAD IS THAT THE FESTIVALS THAT THEY'RE HAVING AT POSSE GROUND RIGHT NOW ARE OUTGROWING POSSE GROUND.

AND SO IT'D BE A VERY SIMILAR PARK, OBVIOUSLY NOT AS MANY BALL FIELDS, SO THAT WOULD ALLOW THE BALL FIELDS AT PASTA GROUND TO REMAIN OPEN FOR PUBLIC TO USE.

BUT THIS WOULD ACCOMMODATE A, A LITTLE BIT OF A LARGER EVENT THAN THEY'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE RIGHT NOW AT POSSE GROUND.

YEAH, I DID ATTEND THE FOOD TRUCK FESTIVAL AND IT WAS WITH ALL THE OTHER ACTIVITIES, IT WAS CERTAINLY BUSY.

UM, MY QUESTION FOR MAYBE STAFF IS, UH, THE REPORTS ABOUT THE HOUSING SHORTAGE, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF UNITS THAT WERE SHORT.

UM, MY QUESTION IS HOW DOES THIS NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS ADDRESS THE NEEDS AS FAR AS AFFORDABILITY FOR WORKER HOUSING? I HEAR A LOT ABOUT MY WORKERS HAVE TO TRAVEL LONG DISTANCE.

UH, IF WE HAVE 400 TO 500 HOUSING UNITS, UM, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT ISSUE IN BUILDING THIS MANY AND JUST NOT MAKE IT A LOT OF RICH PEOPLE FROM PHOENIX COME UP IN BY BUY A EXPENSIVE APARTMENT.

UM, SO THAT IS ONE OF THE BENEFITS TO THE CITY OWNING THE PROPERTY THAT AS YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE COMPLETE ANSWER TO THAT YET, BUT AS WE ISSUE RFPS, IF THIS PLAN EVENTUALLY GOES, WE CAN WORK IN AFFORDABILITY LEVELS A MI LEVELS SERVICING WORKER, LOCAL WORKERS AND THAT SORT OF THING, AND THAT CAN BE CRAFTED INTO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN WE PUT AN RFP OUT.

SO THERE'S SOME CONTROL OVER TRYING TO GET THIS TO SERVE THE WORKERS OF THE CITY.

CORRECT.

UM, MY LAST QUESTION, UH, HAS TO DEAL WITH, UM, AT THE LAST PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, PATRICK SCHWEISS OF THE, UH, SEDONA FILM FESTIVAL SPOKE AND REALLY WANTED TO BE PART OF THIS, PART OF THIS PROJECT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T CARVE OUT A PARCEL NOW THAT IT'LL GO THROUGH A PROCESS FOR THAT.

AND AM I ALLOWED TO SPEAK TO THIS? YEAH.

I I'M STILL LEARNING WHAT I CAN SAY AND WHAT I CAN'T ALL THE TIME.

HUH? JUST LOOK AT KURT.

I JUST LOOK AT THE ATTORNEY.

AM I OKAY? YOU'RE FINE.

COMMISSIONER SMITH.

FOR A PARTICULAR SITE AND, UH, AS A PERSON THAT ATTENDS AND WATCHES TYPICALLY 56 MOVIES DURING THE FESTIVAL, UM, I, I LOVE THE FESTIVAL AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT PART FOR THEM TO BE HERE.

UM, HE, HE, HE LOBBIED

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SPAC IS A BIG PART OF THEIR, UH, PRO OR OF THE FESTIVAL, AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT, A GREAT SYNERGY.

UM, SO MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH, UM, WHERE THAT MIGHT BE, UM, THERE, UH, SO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SHARE, UH, YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS OF WHETHER OR NOT, UH, A LARGE USER LIKE THAT GETS THE HIGHWAY AND REDUCES HOUSING AND PERHAPS ENERGY OF A MULTI-USE AREA RETAIL, UH, VERSUS BEING WHERE YOU SHOW THE REC CENTER BACK IN THAT PART OF THE SITE, WHICH MEANS THE, THE STREET IN MY MIND BECOMES MORE PART OF THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

AND JUST TO SHARE THE PROS AND CONS IN YOUR MIND OF THOSE TWO CHOICES.

UM, SO MY SENSE IS THAT THE MO UH, BASICALLY THE MIXED USE PARCEL PROBABLY IS THE BEST.

AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS THAT ARE REALLY ACCESSIBLE.

YOU'RE NOT BRINGING THE PUBLIC IN, UH, BEYOND SORT OF THE FRONT GATES, SO TO SPEAK.

IT ALSO, UH, IF IT DID GO THE PLACE, THE REC CENTER, WOULD IT WORK? YES.

UM, MY SENSE OF IT IS THOUGH THAT'S A DRAW THAT DRAWS, UH, PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY TOURISM IN IT COULD, UH, AND I THINK THE FOCUS OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT, THEY REALLY WANT THIS AREA TO BE FOCUSED ON THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO THAT'S WOULD BE SORT OF THE PROS AND CONS.

BUT EVEN JUST FROM PURE'S LOGISTICS, BEING ABLE TO HAVE A FRONTAGE, YOU KNOW, ALONG 89 A, UH, IT HAS A SISTER TO IT TO THE SOUTH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AT THE SCHOOL.

SO THE SCALES ARE PROBABLY VERY MUCH THE SAME, BUT ALSO THE ABILITY, UH, YOU KNOW, PARKING, UH, BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, ACCESS, BEING ABLE TO GET EITHER RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, COMING INTO THE WESTERN, YOU KNOW, THIS WESTERN ENTRANCE OR BACK TO CULTURAL PLACE TO HIT THE, UH, BASICALLY THE, THE, UH, SIGNAL LIGHT ITSELF, BUT ALSO NOT INTERFERING SO MUCH WITH THE DAILY USERS OF THE SITE.

THOSE ARE QUESTIONS I HAD, BUT I MIGHT THINK OF ANOTHER ONE.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU COLLIE.

UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND THESE, UH, NEW CONCEPTS.

I AGREE WITH THE, THE ROAD REALIGNMENT IS REALLY INTERESTING.

UM, I LOVE THE IDEA OF COMPLETE STREETS AND SLOWING PEOPLE DOWN.

I LIVE IN A HYPOTHETICAL SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PEOPLE GO REALLY FAST AND THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS YOU CAN CALL 'EM TRAFFIC THAT PEOPLE DON'T NOTICE.

SO I THINK THAT'LL BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO ENCOURAGE.

AND THINKING OF THAT STREET, I'M WONDERING ABOUT, UM, THAT THE ENTRANCE BETWEEN THE MIXED USE BLOCKS, ARE YOU PLANNING TO, UH, COMPLETE ISH STREET, THE ENTRANCE THERE TO KIND OF SLOW PEOPLE DOWN INTO THE, UM, COMMUNITY? OR ARE YOU WAITING UNTIL THAT FIRST INTERSECTION PROBABLY THE, WELL, OBVIOUSLY NO, NO, IT'S PERFECT.

NO, IT IS A GOOD QUESTION.

I THINK IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW THAT BLOCK DEVELOPS OUT.

AND SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A, A TURN COMING FROM A 40, 45 MILE AN HOUR STREET IN, RIGHT? SO IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT IN, WHICH IS YOU'RE VERY OPTIMISTIC THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING 40 TO 45 RIGHT THERE .

SO IN THE DESAL LANE, YOU HOPEFULLY THEY'RE SLOWING DOWN TO TURN THE CORNER, RIGHT? UH, THAT THERE IS PROBABLY HALF THAT STREET IS A DE CELL AREA.

AND I THINK WHAT YOU TRY TO DO IS START INTRODUCING THE FRICTION ABOUT HALFWAY UP THAT STREET.

NOW WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, PARALLEL PARKING OR HEADING PARKING, MAYBE NOT THE BEST THING TO PUT THERE MM-HMM .

JUST BECAUSE OF PEOPLE ARRIVING SO QUICKLY.

BUT I THINK THE MAJOR PIECE WOULD BE, UH, AT THAT INTERSECTION IS WHERE YOU'D REALLY SEE IT.

IN FACT, LOOKING AT THIS AND DEPENDING ON THE USE, WHAT MAY ACTUALLY HAPPEN IS THAT RATHER THAN HAVING THE T INTERSECTION, LEMME KIND OF GO BACK TO A DIFFERENT PAGE THAT'S ALRIGHT HERE.

RATHER THAN HAVING A T INTERSECTION, THIS MAY ACTUALLY BE BETTER AS A CURVE AND HAVE THIS COME OFF JUST TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE NOT CIRCULATING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT HAVE A VERY DEFINABLE ROAD SYSTEM ONCE YOU'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS YOU'RE NOW IN SORT OF PUBLIC REALM.

SO THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT.

SO YEAH, I THINK ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO PROMOTE PEOPLE GETTING OUTTA THEIR CARS ANY SECOND, THEY'RE IN THIS, ONCE THEY'RE IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE WANT THEM OUT OF THEIR CARS AND PERMANENTLY OUT OF THEIR CARS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

OPTION TWO, BUT ONE THING I FEEL LIKE WE'RE MISSING IS THAT PARK, I REALLY ACTUALLY HAVE BECOME PRETTY INTERESTED IN A PARKING GARAGE ON THIS PARCEL SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE TO PRESERVE MY THOUGHT, MY, MY BIG THOUGHTS IN THIS PLANNING, LIKE MY BIGGEST HIGHEST 10,000 FOOT IS THE MORE DENSE BASICALLY WE CAN BE WITH PARKING, HOUSING, ALL THOSE THINGS, THE MORE OPEN SPACE OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE.

UM, I'M, I, I'M LEANING

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SO THAT'S MY 10,000 FOOT LOOK RIGHT, IS I AGREE THAT COMMUNITY OPEN SPACE IS A HUGE PRIORITY WHERE WE ALSO HAVE THESE NEEDS.

THESE NEEDS.

SO LIKE THE IDEA OF COLLECTING PARKING IN A PARKING GARAGE IS MORE EFFICIENT THAN SURFACE PARKING.

AND THEN CREATING DENSITY AND HOUSING SO WE HAVE MORE OPEN SPACE IS LIKE REALLY WHERE MY BRAIN IS AT.

SO THE ONLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE THING IN, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT A FINAL ANYTHING, YOU CAN STILL PUT A PARKING GARAGE HERE, BUT THAT'S WHERE I FIND WHAT I FIND MYSELF MISSING WHEN LOOKING AT OPTION TWO IS LIKE HOW DO WE GET RID OF THAT SURFACE LOT OVER BY THE REC CENTER POTENTIALLY, OR AT LEAST REDUCE IT AND GET PEOPLE OUT OF THERE BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A VERY EASY WALK WITH COMPLETE STREETS FROM BASICALLY ANYWHERE IN HERE TO ANYWHERE ELSE.

UM, SO I REALLY, I WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS A LOT OF CREDIT FOR TAKING WHAT I FELT LIKE WAS A TON OF FEEDBACK FROM US THAT WAS MAYBE VAGUE AND VERY DIFFERENT AND TURNING INTO SOMETHING THAT I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, I CAME INTO THIS MEETING BEING LIKE, OKAY, LIKE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN.

BUT NO, THIS IS REALLY, THIS IS REALLY, REALLY GREAT.

AND TO, TO SPEAK TO LIKE THE, THE PARK SYSTEMS I, I'M IMAGINING LIKE SAY WE GET THE FILM FESTIVAL ON THOSE FRONT TWO PARCELS, WHICH WE ALL VOICED SUPPORTIVE LAST TIME.

LIKE COULD YOU IMAGINE THAT IF THAT BACKSPACE IS OPEN AND IT'S LIKE READY FOR FESTIVALS, THEM HAVING THEIR BLOW UP SCREENS BACK THERE OR EVEN JUST LIKE INCLUDING THAT AS PART OF THE FILM FESTIVAL, THEN WE HAVE, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW HOW CONGESTED THE MIDDLE OF TOWN GETS AROUND HARKENS DURING THE FILM FESTIVAL MM-HMM .

AND IF WE CAN KIND OF COLLECT THEM, GET THEM OUT OF THEIR CARS TO STAY OUT OF THEIR CARS, THERE'S MAYBE FOOD OVER THERE.

YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT JUST CHANGES THE DYNAMIC OF TOWN DURING A VERY BUSY EVENT MOMENT, WHICH I THINK EVERYONE IN TOWN COULD AGREE THAT MOMENTS TO REDUCE TRAFFIC AND PEAK LOADING IS ALWAYS NICE.

SO, UM, OKAY.

JUST A REAL QUICK, SO THAT'S REALLY GOOD COMMENT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF IF THERE IS A MAJOR USE AND THERE'S A MAJOR USE, THIS STREET REALLY NEEDS TO REALLY RESPOND TO THAT ON HOW YOU LINK THEM UP.

'CAUSE THE LAST THING YOU WANNA DO IS DUMP SOMEBODY ONTO A STREET AND COME AROUND MM-HMM .

SO WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN'T STRENGTHEN SORT OF THAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION BETWEEN THESE TWO.

'CAUSE I THINK IF YOU CAN SEW THESE PIECES TOGETHER AND THEN WHATEVER THIS IS, WHETHER IT BECOMES RETAIL YEAH.

OR WHATEVER ELSE, AT LEAST EVERYTHING THEN NOW IS SEWN AND IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT OF A SPINE SORT OF, IT'S LITERALLY THE SPINE EVERY, ALL THE OTHER PATHS KIND OF SPIN OFF OF.

I THINK WALKING, INTERCONNECTED, WALKING, ESPECIALLY FOR LIKE THE PEOPLE GOING TO WESTERN GATEWAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT, FINDING THOSE CONNECTIONS THAT MAKE IT FEEL LIKE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, SELF-SUFFICIENT WALKING, BIKING.

I'M SURE WE COULD HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH ADOT AND HANUKAH NODDING SO.

KIND OF.

I THINK HAVING INTENTIONAL PEDESTRIANS, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THEM IF YOU DON'T RIGHT.

WE SEE THAT ALL OVER TOWN ANYWAY, THAT MIDDLE OPEN SPACE, IF WE DON'T, IF YOU'RE NOT INTENTIONAL WITH PATHS THEY WILL GET MADE MM-HMM .

WHICH IS SOMETIMES FINE, SOMETIMES NOT.

BUT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO LIKE DIRECT PEOPLE LIKE EVENT KIND OF SPACE OR EVEN LIKE MOUNTAIN BIKE FEST, YOU HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF MOUNTAIN BIKERS POTENTIALLY GOING TO THIS TRAILHEAD.

LIKE WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, WITH THEY HAVE VANS THAT MOVE PEOPLE AROUND.

SO ALL THESE, ALL THESE THINGS.

UM, OKAY.

I'M GLAD YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE ROADS AND THE, AND THE WALKING MU FOR SLOWING PEOPLE DOWN ALL THE TIME.

, UH, CARRIE SAY WE HAVE LIKE A HUGE AMOUNT OF WALKING ACROSS 89 A AT RED ROCK LOOP ROAD AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T SPEAK FOR ADOT, BUT GENERALLY WOULD ADOT SUPPORT LIKE ADDITIONAL PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE, WHETHER THAT BE LIGHTING OR WHETHER LONGER CROSSING TIMES OR LIKE PAINTED PEDESTRIAN.

I'M JUST LIKE, IF WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE CROSSING FOR WHATEVER REASON, I'M WONDERING HOW SUPPORTIVE ADOT IS WHEN WE TOUCH 80 9:00 AM.

UM, SO I HAVEN'T TALKED TO 'EM ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY.

I KNOW FOR SOME OF THE LARGER EVENTS LIKE THE, THE HALF MARATHON, THEY'LL PARK AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND, AND WALK ACROSS AND SOMETIMES THOSE EVENTS WILL HIRE LIKE CROSSING GUARDS ESSENTIALLY TO INCREASE VISIBILITY AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T, YOU KNOW, STARTING THEIR CROSSING TWO SECONDS BEFORE THE LIGHT CHANGES.

AND SO THERE'S THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S JUST FOR A SPECIFIC EVENT, UM, THERE'S THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE, BUT IF IT BECOMES A MORE STEADY THING,

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OKAY, COOL.

ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID AT THE SITE VISIT TODAY WAS, AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, DREAMLIKE NOT REALITY IS HAVING A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE.

BECAUSE THEN THAT'S YOUR GATEWAY TO SEDONA RIGHT THERE.

SO I THINK THERE'S SOME NEAT, NEAT IDEAS THAT, YOU KNOW, ASIDE, IS THERE WAYS TO AVOID DEALING WITH ADOT? HOW DO WE LOOK AT THAT? BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME REALLY EXCITING CON CONNECTIVITY THAT WAY AS WELL BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING ACROSS THE STREET THAT'S CORRECT.

LIKE BETWEEN THE TRAILHEAD PARKING LOT AND THEN THE HIGH SCHOOL OFF HOURS BECAUSE PEOPLE DO USE THEIR PARKING LOT FOR OTHER THINGS OFF HOURS.

THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL PARKING ACROSS THE STREET, UM, WHICH I THINK SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO A RELATIVES ACCOUNT.

THERE'S A LOT OF TRAILS OVER THERE TOO THAT PEOPLE FROM THIS SIDE COULD BE.

IF YOU WANNA GET PEOPLE OUTTA THEIR CAR, YOU GOTTA MAKE IT EASY FOR THEM TO GET FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE US TO MAYBE WE TAP ADOT AND JUST SAY HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS.

I MEAN, THERE'S A SCHOOL THERE, WE HAVE A, THERE'S A REALLY GOOD ARGUMENT REGARDLESS OF THIS TO MAKE THAT A VERY SAFE, PEDESTRIAN WAY MM-HMM .

BECAUSE THERE'S A SCHOOL THERE NO MATTER WHAT MM-HMM .

BUT I THINK IT JUST WOULD BE A NICE EX EXPLORATION OF THAT CROSSING.

AND THEN IN THE SAME VEIN, KEEPING PEDESTRIANS SAFE WHO ARE USING THAT OTHER, SO SAY A PEDESTRIAN COMES OUT MIXED USE AND WANTS TO GET ACROSS THE STREET, MAKING SURE THEY HAVE A VERY SAFE WAY, WHICH AGAIN, WE'D HAVE TO TALK TO A O 'CAUSE THAT'S THEIR SIDEWALK, BUT DOING SOME SIDEWALK PLANNING ON THE FRONT OF THE PARCEL ON 89 A, IT'S NOT FUN TO WALK ON 89 A IN ANY PART OF 89 A.

SO MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE DON'T GET DISCOURAGED AND KIND OF CAUGHT UP THINKING ABOUT RUNNING.

I REALLY HOPE NO ONE WOULD THINK ABOUT RUNNING ACROSS THOSE FOUR LANES OF HIGHWAY, BUT I KNOW IF I'M THINKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW, SOMEONE WOULD DO IT.

SO WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.

UM, YEAH, I I REALLY THINK OPTION TWO IS, IS REALLY GOOD.

I'M REALLY, REALLY IMPRESSED.

UM, I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING ON I LIST.

I AGAIN MAY COME BACK, BUT, OKAY.

WELCOME.

WELL, I'M GLAD I DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT ALL OF THOSE THINGS, .

UH, BUT I DO, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I REALLY APPRECIATED THE, UM, SITE VISIT TODAY WHERE WE WALKED OVER THE WHOLE THING IN SPITE OF HOW, LIKE, I FELT LIKE I WALKED THREE MILES, BUT, UH, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS WORTH IT.

AND, UM, UM, SO, AND I LIKE NUMBER TWO AS WELL, SO IF YOU WANNA PUT THAT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE KEEPING TRACK, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO DO.

THE ONE, UM, THERE WERE JUST A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO PUT OUT THERE THAT I DON'T FEEL THAT WE AS A COMMISSION HAVE MUCH SAY IN, BUT SINCE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OUR COUNCIL FOLKS HERE TONIGHT, THEY MIGHT LISTEN TO THIS, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, UM, THE REC CENTER IS SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE'LL DO SOON.

MAYBE WE PROBABLY WON'T DO SO SOON.

NOT SURE.

MAYBE THE PARK, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THAT I THINK THE PUBLIC HAS WEIGHED IN THAT THE REC CENTER IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT AND IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE AN INDOOR SWIMMING POOL AND THAT SORT OF THING, UM, THAT PEOPLE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO.

SO, UH, SOME OF US ONLY HAVE SO MANY YEARS LEFT AND I'D LIKE TO EXPERIENCE WHAT THAT'S LIKE .

SO ANYWAY, UH, IF THAT, UH, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE SAYING, OKAY, IT'S HAPPENS THIS DATE, IT'S NOT GONNA COME TO US AS, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

UM, BUT SINCE I HAVE A MICROPHONE, I'M GONNA SAY THAT RIGHT NOW, .

AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, UM, THE PARK, WHICH IS SOMETHING, AGAIN, THESE ARE THINGS FOR THAT ALL THE PUBLIC CAN ENJOY.

I THINK THE SOONER THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN SOME OF THOSE, THE MORE BUY-IN THERE'S GOING TO BE FOR SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT MAYBE ARE A LITTLE QUESTIONABLE, UH, TO, IN THE PUBLIC'S EYE, BUT ARE PERHAPS ARE NECESSARY.

JAY AND JEFF TALK ABOUT SOME OF THEIR IDEAS OF THAT, THOSE PARCELS OR THOSE PIECES OF LAND AND HOW WIDE THEY ARE, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, YOU KNOW, TOP PLAYGROUNDS, COMMUNITY GARDENS, DOG RUNS, YOU NAME IT, IS JUST SUPER COOL.

SO, UM, SO I THINK THAT'S ALL.

I'M GONNA END IT RIGHT THERE.

BUT IT WAS, UH, IT WAS VERY WORTHWHILE GOING AROUND THE PROPERTY TODAY.

UH, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL, SOME VIEWS THERE ARE JUST AMAZING.

AND, UH, HOPEFULLY, UM, WE WILL FIND BUILDERS AND THOSE THAT WILL HAVE SOME IMAGINATION AND ALLOW IT TO LOOK AS BEAUTIFUL WHEN THEY GET DONE AS IT DOES NOW.

UM, I'LL, I'LL ECHO WHAT ALL OF US ON THE SITE VISIT HAD SAID IS THAT THE SITE VISIT WAS PHENOMENAL.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I CAME AWAY WITH AS WE LOOK AT THE TERRACE FROM THE OLD SEATING THAT WAS IN THE CULTURAL CENTER, IS YOU, WHEN YOU WALK THAT AND YOU, AND YOU LISTEN TO, TO

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AND RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE IT'S SPRING, ALL THE NATURAL PLANTS ARE BLOOMING.

SO YOU REALLY GET A NICE VISUALIZATION OF WHAT THIS GARDEN SPACE COULD LOOK LIKE.

SO, UM, IT WAS VERY, A VERY ENERGIZING, EXCITING.

AND, AND THEN LOOKING AT THE VIEWS AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR TOWN HOMES, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND IN A, IN THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND BEING ABLE TO ACTIVATE THE COMMUNITY THE WAY IT WAS, IS THAT I DEFINITELY COULD SEE IN THIS COMMUNITY, I BELIEVE THAT INCOME'S NEVER GONNA MATTER HERE.

'CAUSE YOU HAVE THESE BEAUTIFUL VIEWS, YOU HAVE THESE BEAUTIFUL PARKS, YOU HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL WAY TO INTERACT WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

SO YOU MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A MULTIMILLIONAIRE LIVING THERE AND SOMEBODY WHO'S A SERVER AT A LOCAL HOTEL LIVING IN THE SAME COMMUNITY INTERACTING TOGETHER.

IT WAS VERY, VERY MOTIVATING, VERY EXCITING.

UM, I AGREE WITH ROB.

I THINK THAT THE, IN REGARDS TO THE HEIGHT OF SOME OF THESE TWO TO FOUR, THREE TO FOUR STORIES, UM, IT WOULDN'T AFFECT THE VIEW SHED VERY MUCH AND IT WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE THE HOUSING THAT WE'RE DESPERATELY IN NEED OF NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.

SO I, UH, I AM, I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES.

UM, I KNOW THE COMMUNITY REALLY WANTS A RECREATIONAL CENTER.

UM, BUT THE FINANCE PERSON IN ME, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE THAT PUTS THAT ON THE CITY FINANCIALLY.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS FROM NOW TO 10, 15 YEARS.

I MEAN, WHO KNOWS WHAT WE'LL SEE AND WHAT COOL BUILDING MATERIALS WILL BE OUT THERE, WHAT OUR COMMUNITY WILL LOOK LIKE THEN AND, AND HOW WE WE MANAGE THIS LAND.

UM, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE, UM, MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE YOGA FESTIVAL.

I MEAN THE, JUST THE OPPORTUNITIES BETWEEN BOTH PARKS, POSSE, AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, THIS COMMUNITY SPACE.

AND I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

SO THE COMMUNITY PARK WOULD BE WHERE WE WOULD SEE SEDONA RESIDENTS GOING TO FOR VENTS.

BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK WOULD REALLY BE FOR THE FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE.

THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS COULD COME TO IT, BUT IT KIND OF MAKES IT, AGAIN, THE FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE, THAT THEIR OWNERSHIP, THIS IS THEIR SPACE.

THIS IS THE SPACE THAT THEY HANG OUT AND THEY ACTIVATE WITH THEIR FAMILIES.

SO, UM, A SUPER EXCITING, UH, OPPORTUNITY AND, UH, AND WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO ON THE MIXED USE PARCEL, IF IT'S THE SNOW FILM FESTIVAL, UM, JUST IT, I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO BE SUCH A FABULOUS OPPORTUNITY.

AND, UH, I'M SUPER EXCITED FOR IT.

AND I, AND I LIKE PREFERRED.

I LIKE OPTION TWO.

AND I GUESS I LIKE IT IN THAT IDEA WHAT YOU SAID, JAY BEING ABLE TO CUT THAT ROAD OFF AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOUR PARK IS DOUBLE OR HAS, HAS GOTTEN BIGGER.

SO I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

SO AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE.

YOU'VE REALLY MADE A GREAT IMPACT.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, CHARLOTTE.

OH, YOU'RE MUTED.

I THINK YOU'RE MUTED.

YOU'RE MUTED.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES.

UM, AT, UM, THE 6.5 ACRE SITE, THE ONE WITH THE THREE AND FOUR STORY BUILDINGS, THOSE ARE 324 HOUSING UNITS ON 6.5 ACRES.

UM, AND BY THE WAY, IF PEOPLE COULD BE A LITTLE CLOSER TO THEIR MICROPHONES WHEN THEY SPEAK, I COULD PROBABLY HEAR IT A LITTLE BETTER TOO.

IT'S, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE HARD FOR ME TO HEAR EVERYTHING.

UM, I WAS GOING TO START BY SAYING THAT THE PACKET THAT WE RECEIVED DID NOT SEEM THAT MUCH DIFFERENT TO ME THAN THE ONE WE SAW IN MAY OR APRIL, WHENEVER THE LAST ONE WHEN IT WAS.

BUT WITH ALL THESE SLIDES NOW ARE COMPLETELY NEW TO ME.

EITHER I MISSED THEM AND THEY WERE SENT TO ME, OR, OR I, YOU KNOW, I'M SEEING 'EM FOR, I'M SEEING 'EM FOR RIGHT NOW FOR THE FIRST TIME.

AND IT'S A LOT FOR ME TO ASSIMILATE 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT MORE DETAIL HERE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO START WITH THAT.

BUT I, I WANNA GO BACK TO SOMETHING MORE FUNDAMENTAL THAT I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT.

AND THAT IS THE DENSITY.

I WAS TRYING TO THINK WHY THE DENSITY WAS BOTHERING ME SO MUCH.

I THINK IT'S OVERLY DENSE, UM, IN HOUSING UNITS.

AND I THINK, UH, I CAME TO THE DECISION THAT THE WORKER HOUSING, WHEN I'D ASKED THE QUESTION LAST TIME ABOUT WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL HOUSING IS GONNA BE, UM, RENT SUBSIDIZED, AND IT WAS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 25% BASED ON STAFF OR BASED ON DIGS IDEA.

SO LET'S JUST SAY 25% ON THE HIGH END.

IF YOU LOOK AT,

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THAT'S 50 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

NOW, NOT ALL OF THOSE WERE GOING TO BE, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT BLOCK SEVEN AND, AND NOT, AND JUST THAT ACREAGE RIGHT THERE, UM, WHICH NOW SAYS 280 UNITS, BUT PREVIOUSLY WHEN I DID MY MATH, IT WAS 324.

SO SOMETHING HAS CHANGED AGAIN, BUT NEVERTHELESS, UM, IT'S A VERY HIGH DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE THAT COULD SATISFY GIGA IF ALL OF THEM WERE WORKER HOUSING, BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ALL WORKER HOUSING.

SO MY QUESTION IS, IF, IF WE'RE TREATING THE WHOLE AREA AS IF IT'S DIGA WHEN ONLY 25% OF IT MIGHT BE, OR TO PUT IT ANOTHER WAY, HOW CAN WE JUSTIFY TO OURSELVES THE DENSITY FOR THE REMAINING NUMBER OF UNITS IN THAT, JUST IN THAT BLOCK, IF THERE IS NO RED SUBSIDY FOR THEM, THEIR MARKET? RIGHT.

UM, I THINK THIS QUANTITY OF, UM, OF MARKET RIGHT UNITS, UM, WELL, I'M TRYING TO READ MY WRITING AND IT'S GETTING, IT'S GETTING DARK WHERE I AM.

UM, OH, OKAY.

I, I THINK THIS DENSITY IS SOMETHING THAT'S OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THE REST OF SEDONA, AND I STILL BELIEVE THAT THIS NEEDS TO FIT INTO THE OVERALL LOOK AND FEEL OF SEDONA.

SO MY QUESTION IS HOW DO WE JUSTIFY, AND IF YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

I, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY BUY THAT.

UM, HOW CAN WE JUSTIFY HAVING THIS AMOUNT OF DENSITY ON MARKET RATE UNITS? WE DON'T DO THAT ANYWHERE ELSE IN TOWN.

AND, AND LET'S FACE IT, WE'RE WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA HAVE THAT MANY WORKER HOUSING UNITS OUT HERE BY, BY STAFF AND BY THE ESTIMATE.

AND I GUESS THAT'S BASED ON WHAT THEY THINK THE MARKET, THE DEVELOPERS WILL, WILL COVER.

SO THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL STUMBLING BLOCK FOR ME.

I CAN'T GET PAST THE IDEA THAT IT'S TOO DENSE.

AND HOW DO WE JUSTIFY IT? IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT, HOW DO WE JUSTIFY IT? 'CAUSE IT'S A PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

I CAN BASICALLY, YES, , THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

THIS IS JAY.

UM, SO I, I, I THINK EVERY TIME YOU SEE ONE OF THESE NUMBERS, EVERYBODY, THESE ARE MAXIMUMS. AND SO THE INTENT ON THIS PROJECT IS TO GIVE THE CITY AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY GOING FORWARD.

UM, AND SO BEING ABLE TO EITHER, AND THIS IS WHY I WAS GOING THROUGH THE PHASING PLAN.

IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THE FIRST, UH, AMOUNT SHOULD BE 80, UH, UNITS, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU BASICALLY OFFER OUT AS YOU START SEEING THE ABSORPTION OR THE DIFFERENT, UH, WHAT WE ALWAYS CALL THE MARKET DIVERSIFICATION, MEANING THE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES YOU CAN START ZEROING IN AND WHETHER IT'S ALL FOR RENT OR FOR SALE, OR A COMBINATION OF YOU CAN START GOING THROUGH THAT.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT TO BE SAID THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THIS WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

BUT IT DOES GIVE THE CITY THE FLEXIBILITY OVER THE NEXT 10, 15 YEARS TO ADDRESS AN ONGOING HOUSING, NOT JUST OF TODAY, BUT WHAT THEY MAY FORESEE, WHICH MAY ACTUALLY BE LESS, IT MAY BE MORE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RELATIVELY LANDLOCKED.

THIS IS A PARCEL THAT'S, UM, THAT'S SERVED BY UTILITIES ALREADY.

UH, AND SO IT'S ALREADY WITHIN YOUR CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND I GUESS I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, RATHER THAN GOING LOW NUMBERS, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE YOU TO STAY HIGH.

AND THE ONLY REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS SO YOU HAVE MAXIMUM, UH, FLEXIBILITY MOVING FORWARD 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE ABLE TO HIT THIS.

BUT NOW YOU NEED TO ADJUST THAT MODEL BECAUSE NOW IT LEFT SOMEBODY ELSE BEHIND OR YOU NEED TO PROVIDE THIS.

IF YOU START OUT LOW AND YOU SET AN INFRASTRUCTURE IN LOW, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY BRING IT UP IN THE, IN THE NEXT KIND OF PHASES AS YOU GO THROUGH.

SO, LIKE I SAID, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO THINK OF THE MAXIMUM BEING THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA ABSOLUTELY DO.

I THINK THAT'S WHY I WAS SHOWING THE PHASING PLAN.

SO YOU COULD TAKE THIS THING DOWN IN BITE SIZE THAT WOULD THEN REFLECT, UH, THE, THE MARKETPLACE OR YOUR HOUSING NEED OR YOUR INCOME NEED.

AND SO YOU MAY FIND THAT THE FIRST PHASE MAY DID CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY DID CERTAIN THINGS FOR YOU,

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SO, LIKE I SAID, IT JUST, IT JUST GIVES YOU THE FLEXIBILITY AS YOU GO FORWARD.

AND I WOULD SAY EVEN AS, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY LOOK AT IT BLOCK BY BLOCK.

YOU COULD LOOK AT IT SAYING THAT WE KNOW THIS WOULD HAVE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 350 TO 450 UNITS.

WE THINK THAT'S GONNA BE ABOUT RIGHT OVER THE NEXT 15.

BUT YOU, WHAT I'VE TRIED TO DO IN THIS, AND THIS IS WHY I'VE TRIED TO EXPLAIN IT THROUGH THIS ZONE ON THE, ON THE PHASING, THAT YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GIVE YOURSELF MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY.

ANYBODY THAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS HAS 18 MONTHS OUT IS A RISK ON WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, LET ALONE 5, 10, 15 YEARS OUT.

AND SO IF YOU EVER LOOK AT A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT IS OF SIZE, THERE'S ALWAYS THAT FLEXIBILITY AS YOU MOVE THROUGH TO CHANGE YOUR PRODUCT ACT.

THERE'S A REASON WHY YOU DON'T PLA LOTS FOR FIVE TO 10 YEARS OUT.

YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S, AND SO, LIKE I SAID, AS YOU GO THROUGH, YOU JUST WANT THAT FLEXIBILITY FROM THE CITY.

AND AGAIN, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF YOU WERE DOING THIS FROM A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULD PROBABLY SAY, OH MY GOSH, THEY COULD DO THIS TO US.

YOU GUYS ARE THE LANDOWNERS.

YOU GUYS SET THE RULES WHEN IT GOES OUT THE DOOR.

THAT'S THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IN THIS, THIS KIND OF, THIS BASICALLY MASTER PLAN.

YOU GUYS ARE IN CONTROL.

I'M JUST ASKING THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, DON'T HANDCUFF YOURSELF RIGHT OFF THE START, JAY.

I THINK THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND PHASING, I UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT THIS IS GONNA BE DONE IN PHASES.

I QUESTION MAYBE YOUR, UM, ROLLOUT OF THOSE PHASES.

IF THE CITY'S NUMBER ONE INTEREST IS PROVIDING WORKER HOUSING, I WOULDN'T PUT IT AT THE TAIL END OF THE PROJECT.

UM, BUT, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN, IT WOULD'VE, THE WORKER HOUSING, UBSTANCE HOUSING WOULD'VE BEEN IN BLOCK SEVEN SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT'S THE LARGEST GROUP OF HOUSING.

AND UM, PRESUMABLY THERE'S SOME ECONOMIES OF SCALE IN BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THREE STORY OR FOUR STORY.

BUT THAT DOESN'T STILL ADDRESS MY DENSITY QUESTION.

UH, HOW ARE WE JUSTIFYING, LET ME ASK, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.

WOULD THE WORKER SUBSIDIZED HOUSING BE, UM, A PARTICULAR APARTMENT BUILDING IN TOTAL, OR WOULD IT BE MIXED IN LIKE THE THIRD FLOOR OF EACH OF THESE WOULD HAPPEN TO BE THE WORKER HOUSING? AND HOW WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE MIXED OR WOULD IT BE NOT MIXED IN WITH THE OTHER, UH, MARKET RATE HOUSING IN THE SAME BUILDING? YEAH, THEY TYPICALLY ARE IN THE SAME BUILDING AND THEY DON'T, UM, TYPICALLY YOUR RESIDENTS DON'T KNOW THAT.

UH, IT'S BASICALLY A VOUCHER.

IF YOU WENT THROUGH TAX CREDIT, IT'S A VOUCHER PROGRAM.

AND SO NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR, UNLESS THEY DISCLOSE IT, DON'T KNOW THAT, AND THERE'S NOT FLOORS ASSOCIATED WITH IT OR A BUILDING ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

AND SO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, AND I, I DON'T SEE THE CITY, YOU KNOW, DOING AN ALL TAX CREDIT DEAL HERE.

AND I KNOW THAT THOSE ARE SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT SOMETIMES.

AND I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME THAT ARE RENT CONTROL.

THERE MAY BE SOME AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER WHEN THEY COME IN THAT, THAT THEY HIT 80 A MI, UH, 80 TO 1:20 AM I.

SO EVEN NOT EVEN A TAX CREDIT, IT COULD BE EVEN STAGGERED ON BASICALLY THE INCOME BASE.

SO I WOULDN'T THINK OF IT AS THE TAX CREDITS AS BEING, UM, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SEGREGATED, BUT IT COULD BE MIXED IN.

CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

IF I, FROM A LDC STANDPOINT, GIVEN OUR CURRENT RESTRICTIONS ON DENSITY FOR MULTI-HOUSING, HOW DO WE JUSTIFY THIS LEVEL OF DENSITY WHEN IT IS MARKET RATE UNITS NOT, UH, SUBSIDIZED? SO VICE QUESTION.

NURSES, AND, AND FIREFIGHTERS.

VICE CHAIR HOSSAIN.

THIS IS C CHRISTENSEN CITY ATTORNEY.

I, I'M GONNA BACK UP JUST ONE QUESTION BEFORE ONE.

I DON'T THINK WE KNOW THE MIX AT ALL.

STAFF.

I MEAN, THAT'D BE, THAT'S STAFF'S GUESSTIMATE RIGHT NOW BASED ON, UH, MARKET RATES AND WHAT COULD HAVE, WE'D LOVE THE, THE WHOLE THING TO BE, YOU KNOW, WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR TEACHERS, NURSES, FIREFIGHTERS, POLICEMEN MM-HMM .

UM, I DON'T THINK STAFF IS LOOKING AT ANY TAX CREDITS ON THIS PARCEL AT ALL.

THE CITY COUNCIL JUST APPROVED, UH, THE VILLAS ON SHELBY AS A LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT.

UM, AND THAT'S SUBJECT TO 60% A MI.

UH, BUT THAT WON'T WORK FOR, YOU KNOW, THE TEACHERS,

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AND SO IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOMETHING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF A HUNDRED PERCENT, 120, 150% A MI.

UM, AND WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE RENTAL RESTRICTIONS, THEN THAT'S GONNA JUST DICTATE, YOU KNOW, THE WHAT PERCENTAGE YOU CAN DO.

SO, I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU CUT DOWN THE OVERALL NUMBER OF UNITS, THEN YOU'RE JUST CUTTING DOWN THE NUMBER OF, OF, OF WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS AS WELL.

UH, BUT IT'S ALL JUST BEEN A GUESSTIMATE SO FAR.

AND I, I AGREE.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU CUT, CUT DOWN THE OVERALL DENSITY, YOU'RE GONNA CUT THE PERCENTAGE THAT, OR YOU'RE GONNA CUT THE NUMBER THAT ARE, UM, GOING TO BE WORKER HOUSING.

BUT IF YOU ARE ONLY SAYING, AND AGAIN, I ASKED THE QUESTION SEVERAL TIMES, I KEPT GETTING 20 TO 25% IS THEIR ESTIMATE.

UM, THEN THE, THE SHEER, THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF UNITS, EVEN IF YOUR DENSITY IS LOWER, IS NOT GONNA BE THAT MUCH DIFFERENT FOR THE, I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT I THINK IT'S REALLY A, A RELATIVELY SMALL SUBSET OF THE OVERALL AMOUNT OF HOUSING.

AND SO I DON'T, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE CAT, THE TAIL'S WAGGING THE DOG AND WE'RE GOING SO DENSE WHEN WE'RE NOT REALLY BENEFITING, UH, TO THE EXTENT YOU MIGHT THINK THE PEOPLE THAT WE ORIGINALLY SAID WE WERE THERE TO BENEFIT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.

VICE CHAIR.

AND I THINK THE ONLY OTHER COUNTERPOINT TO THAT IS THAT, UM, IF, SO ONE WHEN WE NEED, WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE UNITS.

UM, BUT TWO THOUGH, I THINK THE OTHER THING STAFF HAS HAD TALKED ABOUT IS THAT THOSE WORKFORCE UNITS WOULD BE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE SITE.

IT WOULDN'T JUST BE ONLY IN BLOCK SEVEN OR BLOCK FIVE OR BLOCK THREE, THAT WE'D HOPEFULLY HAVE THEM THROUGHOUT.

UM, AND THEN IF THE LAST POINT IS JUST BY HAVING MORE UNITS AVAILABLE IN THE CITY, THE IDEA IS THAT THAT MIGHT HELP MARGINALLY TO PREVENT, HELP AFFORDABILITY AND PREVENT FURTHER, UH, PRICE INCREASES.

'CAUSE THERE IS SUCH A DEMAND FOR HOUSING MM-HMM .

RIGHT? I JUST DON'T WANT THIS PROJECT TO, YOU KNOW, BE THE, THEY'RE THE BRUNT OR, OR, OR WE THINK IT'S THE SALVATION FOR, UM, A PROBLEM THAT'S MUCH BIGGER.

THAT'S CORRECT.

I THINK IT'S VERY HOLISTIC.

IT WILL, IT WON'T SOLVE ANY OF THESE PROBLEMS. SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THE REST OF SEDONA OR, OR LET THEM FEEL LIKE THE REST OF SEDONA.

I'M ALL FOR THE COMMUNITY SPACES THAT MIXED USE, UM, ALONG THE HIGHWAY, NOT NECESSARILY RESIDENTIAL, BUT MIXED USE, NOT MORE THAN TWO STORY.

I LIKE THE ADDITIONAL ROADWAY, UM, REC CENTER.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT FALLS IN THE PRIORITY LIST.

I ASSUME THOSE DISCUSSIONS, UM, THE PHASING AND OWNING OR RENTING, THOSE ARE ALL, UH, COUNCIL DISCUSSIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, WILL BE TAKING PLACE.

UM, I DON'T WANNA BEAT IT TO DEATH, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON THIS IS TOO DENSE.

OH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ALSO A SHOUT OUT TO, UM, ERIC BRAND, A FORMER PNZ COMMISSIONER WHO SENT IN SOME VERY GOOD, UH, COMMENTS THAT I DID NOT SEE.

AND AT THE TIME OF THE LAST MEETING, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHEN THEY CAME IN VIS-A-VIS THAT MEETING, BUT HIS POINTS WERE ABOUT, UM, NEAR THE TRAIL HEAD, NOT HAVING RESIDENTIAL UNITS OVERLOOKING THE TRAILHEAD FROM THE STANDPOINT OF PRESERVING THE WONDER AND SO FORTH.

UM, IT JUST WOULDN'T, HE THOUGHT THAT WAS NOT PREFERABLE.

AND THEN ALSO, UM, NOTHING TOO TALL FACING THE, UH, 89 A I AGREE WITH HIM ON BOTH OF THOSE.

THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU, CHARLOTTE.

UM, JAY, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT A MASTER PLAN IS A, LIKE A THEORETICAL STRUCTURE FOR WHAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WILL LOOK LIKE.

NOTHING IS SET IN STONE.

IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO MAX OUT EVERYTHING.

UM, I THINK THAT THERE CAN BE SOME CONFUSION AROUND THAT.

UM, MASTER PLANS CAN BE VERY TRANSFORMATIVE IF THEY'RE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY NEEDS.

AND THEN IT LEADS YOU TO START TALKING ABOUT, WELL, WHAT ARE THE COMMUNITY NEEDS THAT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU TALK TO, RIGHT? SO FOR SOME PEOPLE IT'S THE REC CENTER, WHICH WILL ENHANCE MENTAL AND PHYSICAL WELLBEING.

IT'LL BE A PLACE FOR OUR YOUNGER GENERATIONS, UM, TO HANG AS WELL AS OUR ELDERLY GENERATIONS.

UM, OTHER PEOPLE WANT OPEN SPACE, THEY WANT COMMUNITY GARDENS.

THEY WANT, UM, TO PRESERVE THE OUTSIDE NATURE AND THE BEAUTY AND THE WONDER, AS CHARLOTTE SAID, THEN YOU TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE AND IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS PLAN, I AM A PLAN TWO GIRL.

UM,

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I THINK IT'S BALANCED.

IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF ALL OF THAT.

IT'S GOT THE, THE COMMUNITY SPACE, THE OPEN SPACE, THE RESIDENTIAL, IT'S, IT HAS THE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL HUB FOR THE FILM FESTIVAL.

SO IT SORT OF MEETS EVERYTHING IN A VERY SYNERGISTIC RELATIONSHIP, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATE.

UM, UM, WHAT ELSE WAS I GONNA SAY? THE FIELD VISIT TODAY WAS HUGE FOR ME PERSONALLY.

ALL I CAN DO IS SHARE MY EXPERIENCE.

AND MY EXPERIENCE WAS, UM, FIRST I WAS SURPRISED THAT THERE WAS NOBODY THERE FROM THE PUBLIC.

IT WAS JUST US.

UM, WHICH ALLOWED US TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME WALKING AROUND, WHICH WAS REALLY FABULOUS.

BUT REALLY BEING ABLE TO HAVE A GRASP ON THE SCALE.

AND IT'S ONE THING TO LOOK AT THIS IN, YOU KNOW, 2D, IT'S ANOTHER THING TO BE OUT THERE BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND REALLY UNDERSTAND BUILDING HEIGHTS AND, YOU KNOW, ADJACENT TO THE 89 A AND YOU HAVE A PI COLLEGE AND REALLY WALK AROUND AND UNDERSTAND WHAT A TWO STORY, OR THREE STORY OR FOUR STORY BUILDING LOOKS LIKE.

AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE WERE OUT IN THE FIELD WAS, YOU KNOW, THE OLD AMPHITHEATERS, YOU KNOW, THE PLATFORM HEIGHT WAS ABOUT 40 SOMETHING FEET, AND THEN THE UPPER ARC IS IN THE FIFTIES SOMEWHERE.

AND THAT REALLY GIVES YOU A PERCEPTION OF WHAT DOES A FOUR STORY, THREE, THREE STORY, FOUR STORY BUILDING LOOK LIKE.

AND WHEN YOUR BOOTS ON THE GROUND, WHAT YOU REALIZE IS THAT THOSE BIGGER, TALLER BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, NOT NECESSARILY CONCRETELY BEING DONE, BECAUSE THIS IS A MASTER PLAN, IT'S TO GIVE AN IDEA, IT'S A WELL THOUGHT OUT DOCUMENT OF WHAT IS POTENTIALLY POSSIBLE TO BE DONE.

AND ALLOW THAT IS THAT THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE PLACED THEM IS THAT YOU REALLY WON'T SEE THEM.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE REALLY GRASP THAT UNLESS THEY GO OUT IN THE FIELD, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT I DIDN'T UNTIL I WALKED IT TODAY.

SO I FELT VERY COMFORTED BY THE EXERCISE OF PUTTING THE STICK UP AND GOING AND LOOKING AT THE AMPHITHEATER.

AND WE WALKED ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP OF THE AM THE AMPHITHEATER STEPS TO PROBABLY WHERE THE LIGHTING CREW USED TO BE.

AND TO BE ABLE TO LOOK OUT AND REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF THE VIEW SHED IS STILL GOING TO BE VERY MUCH PRESERVED.

UM, THE PLAN WAS VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT, AND NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY AFTER WALKING IT.

UM, AND SO I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

I EVEN HAD THE THOUGHT TODAY, I MAY JUST SELL MY HOUSE AND MOVE IN HERE BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A WALKABLE COMMUNITY, A PLACE YOU CAN GET OUT OF YOUR CAR, A PLACE THAT CAN SERVICE ALL OF ITS RESIDENTS, IT'S THE COMMUNITY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE, I SPOKE FOR A LONG TIME LAST TIME ON APRIL 15TH ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY AND WALKABLE STREETS AND, UH, THE CONNECTION AND THE INTERCONNECTEDNESS.

AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO BE BOLD.

I KNOW BOLD IS UNCOMFORTABLE FOR PEOPLE.

UM, I KNOW CHANGE IS UNCOMFORTABLE FOR PEOPLE.

I LIKE TO COME FROM A PLACE OF MORE OF A GROWTH MINDSET OF WHAT IF THIS COULD BE BETTER THAN WE COULD POSSIBLY IMAGINE? I LIKE THAT IT'S ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF TOWN, SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THIS MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT WHERE EVERYBODY HAS TO COME UP THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WEST SEDONA.

UM, I THINK THIS COULD BE MAGNIFICENT IF IT'S DONE WELL.

AND I LIKE THAT THE CITY'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, SORT OF, I DON'T LIKE TO USE THE WORD CONTROL 'CAUSE THAT'S THE WRONG WORD, BUT A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, UM, ENGAGEMENT AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.

AND I DO FEEL LIKE IT MEETS A LOT OF EVERYBODY'S DIFFERENT NEEDS.

AND, UM, YEAH, LIKE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE REC CENTER, WHAT IF YOU COULD HAVE A CLIMBING WALL WITH VIEWS OF THE RED ROCKS AND PEOPLE THAT COULD LEARN IT? I'VE NEVER TRIED ROCK CLIMBING, ALWAYS WANTED TO, BUT WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF I HAD A PLACE WHERE I COULD GO AND LEARN HOW TO DO IT, UM, BESIDES GOING OUT IN THE REAL WORLD AND BREAKING MY NECK.

UM, SO, UM, I THINK IT'S GREAT.

UM, I'M HOPING THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL GET BEHIND THIS AND KIND OF PUT OUR FEARS AND CONCERNS AND TRY AND WORK COHESIVELY TOGETHER.

WE DID LOOK AT THE TRAILHEAD, UM, AS IT WOULD BE ADJACENT TO THOSE, UM, TALLER STRUCTURES.

I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.

UM, IT IS ALSO A VERY LIMITED EXPOSURE.

AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S SOME WAY WE COULD COHESIVELY WORK TOGETHER TO, AT THAT POINT WHERE THE TRAIL COMES CLOSE TO THOSE BUILDINGS, MAKING THAT SOME SORT OF LIKE STATION POINT FOR FIXING BIKES AND WATER STATIONS AND SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE, MAKE IT WORK FOR BOTH PARTIES SO THAT IT, IT, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, IT'S ALWAYS FOR THE GREATEST OF THE WHOLE.

SO, UM, WHAT ELSE DO I WANNA SAY? LET'S SEE.

OH, DIVERSITY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT DIVERSITY, WE TALK ABOUT FINANCIAL DIVERSITY.

WE TALK, UH, ABOUT DIFFERENT KINDS OF, UM, PURPOSE DIVERSITY, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO APPRECIATE AGE DIVERSITY.

AND I THINK A PROJECT LIKE THIS ENHANCES AGE DIVERSITY.

'CAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HOUSING.

UM, AND NOT JUST ABOUT FINANCIALS.

I THINK AGE DIVERSITY CULTIVATES INCLUSIVE COMMUNITIES WHERE INTERGENERATIONAL INTERACTION HAPPENS.

AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY GREAT.

AND WE ALSO, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FUTURE OF SEDONA, YOU KNOW, WHEN

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YOU TALK TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO ABOUT RETENTION AND HOW DO WE KEEP OUR YOUTH HERE? AND TIMES ARE CHANGING, THINGS ARE GETTING MORE PROGRESSIVE, AND I WOULD LIKE SEDONA TO PERHAPS BE A TAD BIT MORE VISIONARY ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING MOVING FORWARD.

AND IT MAY BE UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT I'M ASKING THAT EVERYBODY IN OUR COM COMMUNITY KIND OF VIEW IT AS A CONTAINER WHERE IT MAY GET STRETCHED A LITTLE BIT.

WE MAY BE UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT PERHAPS THIS COULD TURN OUT TO BE SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY FABULOUS.

AND I THINK IF WE CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE WORKSHOPS, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE DIALOGUE, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE PEOPLE SHOW UP AND SHARE THEIR OPINIONS.

UM, LET'S, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF BEING RIGID, LET'S CON YOU KNOW, START BEING IN THE GROWTH MINDSET AND REALLY SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

I AM EXCITED ABOUT THIS, AND AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID, I DON'T WANNA PUT LIMITS ON IT.

UM, AND THAT'S WHY THE MASTER PLAN PLAN IS LIKE THE UMBRELLA.

I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, TO BE ABLE TO SHIFT AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, PIVOT AS WE NEED TO, DEPENDING ON THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND THIS IS GOING TO TAKE ABOUT 20 YEARS.

SO WHAT WE NEED TODAY, 10 YEARS FROM NOW MAY BE COMPLETELY SEPARATELY DIFFERENT.

SO I DON'T WANT US TO PUT LIMITS ON THINGS.

I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE OPTIONS.

I THINK FLEXIBILITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT CARES SO MUCH AND IS SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS CITY.

SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE HARD WORK.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

UM, I CAN TELL JUST FROM LOOKING AT THIS, THAT YOU REALLY LISTENED TO WHAT EVERYBODY SAID THE LAST TIME AND WE REALLY, WE APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS UNTIL WE GO TO THE PUBLIC? NOPE.

SO I'D LIKE TO OPEN THIS FOR PUBLIC, SEE IF I CAN DO THIS RIGHT.

BOONDOGGLE EVEN DEVELOPED OVER FIVE YEARS OR MORE INVOLVED CITY FUNDS OR CITY GUARANTEED FINANCING, A MAJOR CALAMITY MAY FOLLOW.

OH, THE RULES.

UH, THREE MINUTES.

, THERE'S A THREE MINUTE RULE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE ARE TWO CARDS IN HERE THAT ARE GONNA BE COMBINED FOR A SIX MINUTE PRESENTATION.

SO, UM, YES, THANK YOU COLLIE.

MAKE SURE YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.

SO THE FIRST PERSON TO SPEAK IS GOING TO BE WILLIAM SPRING.

THANK YOU, WILLIAM, FOR YOUR TIME.

AND THEN NEXT WILL BE MARY BY, MY NAME IS WILLIAM SPRING.

UM, QUALIFICATIONS TO ADDRESS THIS MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.

I'M A 20 YEAR RESIDENT.

SEDONA, I'VE BEEN ON THE SITE MANY, MANY, MANY TIMES.

I HAVE A BACKGROUND IN SIGNIFICANT LEVELS OF MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

I'M A HU APPROVED DEVELOPER, NEVER HAD A DEFAULTED OR FAILED PROJECT.

DEVELOPERS AND HUD FINANCING RESPONDED, DEMAND STUDIES, NOT GUESSTIMATES OF CITY IMPOSED REQUIREMENTS OF MULTIFAMILY DEMAND.

I RECENTLY CONTACTED CITY LEADERSHIP WHEN I CONFIRMED THE CITY WAS LOOKING TO BUILD WHAT IS NOW FOUR TO 500 UNITS OF PROPOSED HIGH RISE, HIGH DENSITY, 50 RACK APARTMENTS.

I EMAILED GUESSTIMATED TO THE COUNCIL PERSON BACK TO THEM BASED ON EXPERIENCE.

THE DEMAND FOR SEDONA WOULD BE 30 TO 50 ADDED UNITS PER YEAR.

THE COUNCILPERSON RESPONDED BY EMAIL, SENDING ME THE 2020 CITY HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND FIVE-YEAR HOUSING ACTION PLAN.

YOUR DEMAND STUDY TO WIT PAGE 52, 4 0.2, DEMAND FOR HOUSING GENERATED BY EMPLOYMENT GROWTH.

SO ANOTHER POPULATION IS FORECAST TO GROW BY 395 PERSONS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS BASED ON AN AVERAGE SIZE OF TWO PERSONS PER UNIT HOUSING DEMAND FOR 200 UNITS OR 20 UNITS PER YEAR, OVER 10 YEARS, 200.

IN ANY CASE, THE FORECASTED HOUSING DEMAND IS MODEST.

THE REALITY IS POPULATION 2020, SEDONA 10,000 328, 20 24, MOST RECENT 9,740.

WE HAVE LOST 540 88 RESIDENTS DIVIDED BY FOUR.

WE HAVE ACTUALLY LOST 147 RESIDENTS PER YEAR IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, NOT ADDING 40 PER YEAR PER THE PROJECTION THAT WAS DONE.

YOUR DEMAND STUDY BASED ON MY OWN STUDY, 500 UNITS OF ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY WOULD BE 25 YEARS OF DEMAND TO FILL 20 PER THE COUNCIL PERSON ALSO SENT ME THE ALREADY APPROVED PROJECTS UNDERWAY.

CITY HAS APPROVED ALREADY FOUR PROJECTS TOTALING 182 UNITS, AN ADDITIONAL FIVE UNITS SUPPLY OF DEMAND.

THE CITY'S PROPOSED ADDITIONAL MAJOR PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT WOULD BURY THESE EXISTING PROJECTS ALREADY APPROVED.

WITH SUBSTANTIAL OVER BUILDING DEVELOPERS WOULD HAVE TO MARKET TO COTTONWOOD AND THE VERDE VALLEY TO FILL THIS OVER BUILDING ESTIMATED AT 750 COMMUTER CARS PER DAY JUST FROM THE APARTMENTS TO OUR ALREADY SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC ISSUES.

THE CITY'S SURVEY OF RESIDENTS OPINIONS ON THE TOPIC OF THE CULTURAL PARK.

AKA GATEWAY SHOWS A STRONG PAR PREFERENCE FOR A REC CENTER LIKE COTTONWOODS, BEAUTIFUL REC CENTER, AND A PARK NOWHERE IN NO HORROR RESIDENTS EXPRESSING WITHOUT EVEN BEING AWARE OF THE CITY'S OWN STUDY, ANY DESIRE FOR THIS PROPOSED MASSIVE OVERBUILDING BEYOND THE A HUNDRED AND TWO EIGHTY A HUNDRED EIGHTY TWO UNITS ALREADY APPROVED.

IF THIS PROPOSED

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IT'S HAPPENED TO, UH, MANY OTHER CITIES, ONE OF WHICH I WAS A MUNICIPAL ATTORNEY OF IN ILLINOIS IS A HIGH DENSITY 50 RESIDENTS PER ACRE MULTIFAMILY RENTAL PROJECT.

THE CITY'S VISION FOR OUR ENTRYWAY AND GATEWAY.

THANK YOU, WILLIAM.

OKAY, MARY.

AND THEN NEXT WE HAVE JESSICA MADAM CHAIR COMMISSIONERS.

I'M MARY BYRD.

MY RESIDENCE IS SEDONA, ARIZONA, THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK AREA.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE FINE ART MUSEUM OF SEDONA.

I'LL GIVE A REAL QUICK HISTORY AND THEN INFORMATION ON WHY WE THINK THE MUSEUM SHOULD BE AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY PROJECT.

THE SEDONA ART MUSEUM IS A NONPROFIT CORPORATION, AND WE GOT OUR, UH, 5 0 1 C3 EXEMPT STATUS IN NOVEMBER OF 2014.

WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING BUSINESS AS THE FINE ART MUSEUM OF SEDONA, THE ACRONYM BEING FAMOUS.

OUR MISSION IS TO PROVIDE A UNIQUELY VERDE VALLEY EXPERIENCE OF ORIGINAL WORKS OF ART AND PRESENT TEMPORARY EXHIBITS OF THE HIGHEST ARTISTIC MERIT FOR THE PURPOSES OF AN EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE.

IN OCTOBER OF 2024, WE, WE ARE, WE OPENED UP A 1200 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL LOCATION.

WE HAVE ROTATING EXHIBITS THERE.

THIS FIRST LOCATION WILL CONTINUE TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AND BE A SPRINGBOARD FOR A LARGER PERMANENT MUSEUM.

WE HAVE DONE MUCH DUE DILIGENCE OVER THE YEARS.

WE'VE DONE COMMUNITY SURVEYS THAT SHOW THAT 60% OF RESIDENTS ARE IN FAVOR OF AND WOULD SUPPORT AN ART MUSEUM.

WE'VE DONE SPEAKER EVENTS, WE DID AN EXTENSIVE FACILITY AND BUSINESS PLAN.

WE INDICATED THAT ONCE THE LAND IS IDENTIFIED, A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN WILL BE INSTITUTED.

WE FEEL THAT BLOCK ONE AND OR TWO ON 89 A IS THE BEST SPOT FOR A MIXED USE CULTURAL CENTER.

THIS AREA COULD ACCOMMODATE FAMOUS, THE SEDONA FILM FESTIVAL, THE SEDONA BALLET AND OTHERS.

A PUBLIC SCULPTURE PARK COULD TIE THE TWO, ALL THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES TOGETHER AND COULD BE USED FOR EVENTS.

THE PROPOSED THEATER THAT THE FILM FESTIVAL IS TALKING ABOUT COULD BE USED FOR DANCE, MUSIC, ART FILMS AND PRESENTATIONS, THEREBY UTILIZING THEIR VENUE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY.

IN THE PUBLIC SURVEYS THAT WERE DONE BY THE CONSULTANTS, MUSEUMS WERE IDENTIFIED AS A HIGH PRIORITY BY RESIDENTS.

WE, UH, I WENT OVER ALL THE WW PLAN SEDONA.ORG DOCUMENTS BEFORE THIS, AND I SEE THAT WE FIT IN WITH THE MASTER PLAN.

NUMBER FIVE, FOSTER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND COLLABORATION.

NUMBER SIX, CREATE PUBLIC SPACES AND CULTURAL INTEGRATION IN THE, UH, THE DIFFERENT, UH, SURVEYS THAT WERE DONE.

MUSEUMS WERE HIGHLY SUPPORTED IN THE, UH, BUBBLE DIAGRAM.

THEY WANT A VITAL MIX OF USES.

IT FITS INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND RECREATION CONCEPT.

IT INCORPORATES CULTURAL AND COMMUNITY AMENITIES.

THE, UH, PUBLIC AND THE PLAN WANTS DEDICATED SPACE FOR ART EXHIBITS, MUSEUMS, AND PUBLIC GARDENS.

WE COULD PARTNER WITH YAVAPI COLLEGE AND RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL.

WE URGE THAT THE CITY AND, UH, THIS COMMISSION CONTINUE TO DIALOGUE WITH US AS FAR AS AN ART MUSEUM ON THE SPOT.

THANK YOU MARY JESSICA.

AND FOLLOWING JESSICA WILL BE.

BILL, I LIKE WHAT MARY SAID.

SHE DIDN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT HIGH DENSITY HOUSING, TALL BUILDINGS.

SORRY.

CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME? RESPECT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.

EXCUSE ME.

CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE? SIERRA SEDONA, WEST.

SEDONA.

AMERICA'S, AMERICA'S RED ROCK SHOWPLACE.

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I JUST WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER MAKING IT WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT, WHICH IS WHAT MARY SAID.

SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE CAN GATHER.

I WORE MY ORIGINAL SHIRT TO SHOW YOU THAT THERE WERE, THERE WERE DREAMS ABOUT THIS CULTURAL CENTER.

IS IT A SHOWPLACE TO HAVE HOUSING AND NOT CULTURE, WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY MEANT FOR IN EVERY FORM FROM EVERY MODALITY.

THIS IS NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

I THINK I'VE BEEN ASLEEP WHEN I THOUGHT MAYBE WE COULD HAVE LAND TO WALK ON TRAILS.

NATURAL NATURE.

THAT'S WHAT SEDONA IS TO ME.

I CAME HERE 35 YEARS AGO WHEN SEDONA USED TO SERVE THEIR COMMUNITY.

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I'M, I'M JUST REALLY SAD AND DISAPPOINTED THAT WE'VE GONE THIS FAR AND WE'RE EVEN HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE ON BEAUTIFUL, AMAZING SINGULAR LAND AND TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PLEASE DON'T LET THIS GO FORWARD.

THANK YOU JESSICA.

BILL, AND YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY.

OKAY, SUZANNE, AND ONE SECOND.

SUZANNE AND SANDRA ARE GONNA COMBINE.

SO MY NAME IS BILL NUNAN.

I LIVE IN SEDONA.

IT APPEARS THIS COMMISSION INTENDS TO APPROVE A WESTERN GATEWAY PLAN THAT WOULD ADD HUNDREDS OF UNITS OF HIGH DENSITY SUBSIDIZED HOUSING IN THE CULTURAL PARK.

THAT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE I THINK THE IDEA IS OPPOSED BY MOST PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.

AND IT'S ALSO UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE IT WOULD LARGELY ELIMINATE WHAT'S LEFT OF SEDONAS SMALL TOWN CHARM.

SO THERE'S A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE ABOUT THIS PROJECT, UH, ABOUT THIS PROJECT THAT WOULD FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THIS TOWN FOREVER GIVING GIVEN ITS IMPORTANCE, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST, EXCUSE ME, TO SUBMIT THE CULTURAL PARK PLANS TO VOTE TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.

BUT THE CITY HAS ADVISED US THAT IT'S NOT LEGALLY POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO DO THAT.

THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE RESIDENTS DO HAVE THE POWER UNDER THE ARIZONA CONSTITUTION TO CIRCULATE A BALLOT INITIATIVE PETITION.

AND IF WE COLLECT ENOUGH SIGNATURES, WE CAN PUT AN ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL TO A VOTE.

THEREFORE, A GROUP OF RESIDENTS HAVE PREPARED SUCH A PETITION.

WE PLAN TO FILE IT LATER THIS WEEK AND WE'LL BEGIN COLLECTING SIGNATURES NEXT WEEK.

THE INITIATIVE IS CALLED THE CULTURAL PARK PRESERVATION ACT.

IT WOULD KEEP THE CULTURAL PARK OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR RECREATION AND CULTURAL ACTIVITIES SUCH AS HIKING, BIKING, MUSEUMS, A FILM FESTIVAL, AND THEATRICAL OR MUSICAL, UH, PRODUCTIONS.

THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY OPERATE, BUILD, OR IMPROVE ANYTHING IN THE CULTURAL PARK, BUT IT CAN DO THOSE THINGS OR ENTER INTO AGREEMENTS WITH OTHERS TO DO THEM IF THERE'S SUFFICIENT SUPPORT FOR IT.

THE PRESERVATION ACT DOES PROHIBIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OR OVERNIGHT CAMPING IN THE PARK.

IT'S ALSO OUR HOPE THAT TAKING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CULTURAL PARK OFF THE TABLE WILL REDIRECT ATTENTION TO THE DELLS AS A PLACE WHERE TRULY AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING CAN BE BUILT.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME EXCELLENT PLANS PUT FORWARD OVER THE YEARS TO BUILD EVERYTHING FROM TINY HOMES TO AN RV, UH, UH, PARK AT THAT LOCATION.

AND NOW IS THE TIME FOR SERIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO GET THAT DONE.

I RECOMMEND THAT YOU READ ALAN AELS, UH, THOUGHTFUL ANALYSIS OF THE ECONOMICS OF WORKFORCE HOUSING AND HIS PROPOSAL FOR THE DELLS THAT HE RECENTLY MADE AVAILABLE TO THE CITY, AND I HOPE HE HAS MADE ALSO AVAILABLE TO THIS COMMISSION.

IF SEDONA IS SERIOUS ABOUT MAKING TRULY AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING AVAILABLE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, THEN PLEASE CONSIDER THESE OPTIONS.

PLANNING PROCESS IS ALARMINGLY OPAQUE DECISIONS ARE BEING JUSTIFIED BASED ON 78 SURVEY VOTES WITH CONTRADICTORY INTERPRETATIONS OF WHAT SUPPORT MEANS.

THANK YOU BILL.

SUZANNE AND SANDRA, SUZANNE STRAUSS.

SEDONA, I'M READING A GUEST PERSPECTIVE AS WRITTEN BY DANIEL JENSVOLD THAT WAS PRINTED THE RED ROCK DES ON MAY 14TH.

MR. JENSVOLD IS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTS OF THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK.

SEDONA DESERVES BETTER THAN SMOKE AND MIRRORS THE PROPOSED TO REPLACE HIS DODA CULTURAL PARK WITH HIGH DENSITY HOUSING.

AS OUTLINED IN THE RECENT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SESSION IS NOT ONLY DEEPLY FOGGED, IT'S A TRAGIC MISSTEP THAT RISK, UM, ERASING A CORNERSTONE OF SEDONAS CULTURAL ENVIRONMENT AND HISTORIC IDENTITY.

LILY KILLER.

THIS LAND WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY EXCHANGED WITH THE NATIONAL FOREST SERVICE WITH A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD SERVE AS A PUBLIC SPACE.

BULLDOZING THIS TO CREATE DENSE APARTMENTS, ROADS, AND HIGH RISE BUILDINGS.

VIOLATES THAT PROMISE AND IGNORES WHAT MAKES SEDONAS SO UNIQUE WITH RESPECT TO CULTURAL VALUES, NOT PRODUCT TYPES.

THE SUGGESTION TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING AMPHITHEATER AND REPLACE IT WITH APARTMENTS WHILE TOSSING OUT THE IDEAL OF A COMMUNITY BENEFIT ZONE NEAR THE TRAILHEAD.

AS A CONSUL CONSOLATION PRIZE IS A SHORTSIGHTED AND HOLLOW.

THE AMPHITHEATER WAS A SIGNIFICANT GATHERING PLACE FOR CONCERT CEREMONIES AND COMMUNITY CONNECTION.

THAT LEGACY DESERVES REVIVAL, NOT DESTRUCTION.

A 775 PERSON EVENT ZONE SQUEEZE INTO THE BACK CORNER OF THE PROPERTY OR A WATERED DOWN VERSION OF THE 400 FOR A RECREATION CENTER, CANNOT REPLACE WHAT THE SPACE WAS ONCE MEANT OR WHAT IT COULD BE.

AGAIN, SUCH A ZONE COULD NEVER HOST EITHER A WORLD CLASS MUSIC ACT OR A GATHERING OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF SEDONA.

WITH REGARD TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT CONCEPTS, WE DO NOT NEED MORE STRIP MALL AESTHETICS OR OUT OF TOWN DEVELOPER PRODUCTS DESIGNED TO BE ATTRACTIVE TO INVESTORS RATHER THAN TO THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD IN THEORY LIVE IN THEM.

WE NEED A VISION FOR SEDONA THAT REFLECTS OUR DEEP SENSE OF PLACE.

THIS IS A FLAWED PROCESS WITH A FLIMSY SUPPORT.

THE

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PLANS ARE SHIFTING MID PRESENTATION AND WORST OF ALL, THE PUSH TOWARDS 482 UNITS, INCLUDING FOUR STORY AND POTENTIALLY 48 HIGH BUILDINGS, SEEMS DRIVEN MORE BY WHAT CAPITAL INVESTORS WANT THAN BY THE NEEDS OR DESIRES OF ACTUAL SEDONA RESIDENTS.

WHEN A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER QUESTIONED THE JUMP IN THE QUESTIONED THE JUMP IN DENSITY AND CALL THE SUPPORT FIGURES WEEK, SHE WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT HOUSING, BUT AT WHAT COST? WE'RE TOLD THESE UNITS WILL HELP WORKERS, BUT LET'S BE HONEST, THEY WON'T BE AFFORDABLE IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY.

THERE'S A NO GUARANTEE ON DEED RESTRICTION, WORKFORCE HOUSING, AND EVEN DICK STUDIO'S REPRESENTATIVE ADMITTED THAT CAPITAL INVESTORS ARE PRIORITIZING AFFORDABILITY, THEIR CHASING PROFIT.

THAT MEANS LUXURY UNITS, NOT THE HOUSING SOLUTION.

WERE BEING SOLD.

SEDONA NEEDS WORKFORCE HOUSING, YES, BUT NOT HERE.

ENVIRONMENTAL AND AESTHETIC DAMAGE.

THANK YOU, SUZANNE.

SANDRA, EXCELLENT.

I'M SANDRA , WEST SEDONA ENVIRONMENTAL.

I'M CONTINUING, UH, SUZANNE'S, UH, PRESENTATION HERE.

60% OF THIS 41 ACRE SITE WOULD BE PAVED OVER WITH BUILDINGS AND ROADS, EVEN THOUGH CITY STAFF DELIBERATELY.

AND MS LITERALLY PRESENTED A REOPENING OF THE AMPHITHEATER AS REQUIRING EVEN MORE PARKING IN ORDER TO TRY TO STEER SUPPORT TOWARD A HOUSING PROPOSAL.

MASSIVE STRUCTURES UP TO 48 FEET TALL WOULD TOWER OVER ONE OF SEDONAS LAST OPEN WEST SIDE ENTRIES JUST TO HIGH DEVELOPMENT FROM D DRIVERS ON 89 A.

THAT'S NOT RESPECTFUL, THAT'S NOT A RESPECTFUL DESIGN THAT SMOKE AND MIRRORS THIS DEVELOPMENT CHIPS AWAY AT SEDONAS.

NATURAL BUZZER ZONES BURDENS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, INCREASES TRAFFIC AND THREATENS THE VISUAL HARMONY THAT DRAWS PEOPLE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

TRAFFIC AND CHAOS VERSUS CULTURAL REVIVAL, EVEN AS RESIDENTS COMPLAIN THAT SEDONA STREETS ARE CHOKED.

ADDING 490 NEW HOMES AT THE CULTURAL PARK WOULD ADD UP TO 4,900 DAILY TRIPS TO THE APPROXIMATELY 26,000 SR 89 A CURRENTLY EXPERIENCES WORSENING THE CONGESTION RESIDENTS THREAT BY CONTRAST, REVIVING THE PARK AS A MUSIC AND ARTS VENUE WITH DRAW VISITORS WHO BOOK EXISTING ACCOMMODATIONS, ADDING ONLY OCCASIONAL MANAGEABLE EVENT TRAFFIC.

UNLIKE DAILY RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC EVENT ATTENDANCE BILLS, GRADUALLY A REVIVED AMPHITHEATER WOULDN'T HIT ITS 5,500 PERSON CAPACITY OVERNIGHT.

IT WOULD TAKE YEARS TO GROW AUDIENCE SIZE, GIVING THE CITY THE TIME IT NEEDS TO DEVELOP A ROBUST SHUTTLE AND TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

FOR PEAK EVENTS, A COMPREHENSIVE TRAFFIC STUDY MUST COMPARE THESE DIVISIONS BEFORE LOCKING A PATH THAT RISK OVERWHELMING OUR ROADS.

LET'S CHOOSE A VIBRANT CULTURAL VENUE OVER A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE AND KEEPS THEONA OUT LIVABLE A BETTER WAY FORWARD.

INSTEAD OF SELLING OFF OUR CULTURAL LEGACY TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER, IMAGINE WHAT THE CULTURAL PARK WOULD BECOME WITH TRUE INVESTMENT IN ITS ORIGINAL PURPOSE.

A RESTORED AMPHITHEATER AND PERFORMING ARTS VENUE FOR FESTIVALS, FILMS, AND MUSIC EDUCATIONAL INSTALLATION, CELEBRATING THE REGION'S INDIGENOUS HISTORY AND NATURAL BEAUTY, ECO-CONSCIOUS DESIGN THAT HONORS SEDONA NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACES THAT DROVE BOTH LOCALS AND VISITORS AND GENERATE SUSTAINABLE REVENUE.

I HELPED DESIGN THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK OVER 25 TH TH 25 YEARS AGO WITH A VISION TO BLEND ART, NATURE AND COMMUNITY.

THIS LAND WAS NEVER INTENDED FOR DENSE HOUSING.

IT WAS A GIFT TO SEDONA SPIRIT.

I BELIEVE IT STILL HAS THE POTENTIAL TO SERVE FUTURE GENERATIONS AS A VORTEX OF THE ARTS OF FOR SEDONA IN THE GREATER VIRGIN VALLEY, NOT ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT PROJECT LET'S HONORABLE WAS PROMISED AND PROTECT WHAT REMAINS SEDONA IS NOT ANTHEM, IT'S NOT PHOENIX, AND IT SHOULDN'T LOOK LIKE A COPY PASTE, MASTER PLAN SUBURB.

WE ARE WORLD RE ROUND FOR OUR NATURAL SPLENDOR AND ARTISTIC SOUL.

THANK YOU, SANDRA.

I BELIEVE THIS SAYS SCOTT ROSS.

AM I READING THIS RIGHT? LAST NAME'S DEFINITELY ROSS.

LAST NAME'S DEFINITELY ROSS.

AND A 1.52 ACRES FOR, FOR PARKS.

ROBERT KESTER.

UH, COSTER COSTER.

AND AFTER ROBERT WILL BE PEGGY.

HI, MY NAME'S ROBERT COSTER.

I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA AND I THINK I'M DRINKING OUT OF DIFFERENT WELL WATER THAN A LOT OF THE PEOPLE HERE.

UM, AND I LISTENED TO, TO THE PROPOSAL, UM, I I I LISTENED TO A HALF ACRE ONE

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AND I IMAGINE HOW BIG THAT IS.

YOU KNOW, HALF AN ACRE IS ONE LOT, NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO WITH THAT.

I, I LISTEN TO THE, THE DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF, OH, JUST TWO STORIES.

OH, NO, NO, MAYBE FOUR STORIES.

OH, IT'D BE HIDDEN DOWN BECAUSE IT'S DOWN LOW.

AND I LOOK AT THAT, I'M THINKING, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER PEOPLE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE MASS BUILDING LIKE ANTHEM AND OTHERS PLACES.

AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DRIVE DOWN TO IRVINE, CALIFORNIA OR LOS, OR DOWN TO LOS ANGELES OR, OR, UM, DOWN TO PHOENIX.

AND YOU LOOK AT THESE PLACES THAT ARE JUST ROW HOUSE, A STACK BY STACK BY STACK.

DEFINITELY NOT SEDONA.

DEFINITELY NOT PART OF WHAT WE MOVED HERE FOR.

DEFINITELY NOT PART OF THE ENVIRONMENT WE WANT TO KEEP AND NOT THE TREASURES WE WANT TO GIVE TO THE NEXT GENERATION DOWN THE ROAD.

UM, I, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THINGS THAT ONCE THEY'RE DONE, YOU CAN'T UNDO THEM.

THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE FOR 10, 20 YEARS.

I HEAR ABOUT PHASING.

LET'S START PHASING.

WELL, THIS IS GONNA BE A 5, 10, 15 YEAR PROJECT, UH, WITH CONTINUING CONSTRUCTION, CONTINUING EYESORE IN THE COMMUNITY.

UH, YES, IT GIVES, IT'S A MASTER PLAN.

IT CAN ADJUST, BUT AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF THIS, THIS WHOLE AREA THAT'S THERE WAS TO BE A DRAW, AN EYE APPEALING THING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR PEOPLE THAT COME TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE A LOT OF VALUE IN THIS, THIS CITY.

YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT IT AS IT'S A MIXED BLESSING THAT WE HAVE THREE, 4 MILLION TOURISTS A YEAR.

I HATE IT WHEN IT'S A, YOU KNOW, SPRING BREAK.

I LOVE THE MIDWEEKS, BUT I ALSO LIKE THE RESTAURANTS AND OTHER THINGS THAT A LOT OF THESE THINGS BRING.

BUT IT'S A VERY DELICATE BALANCE.

AND IF YOU START WORKING ON THAT BALANCE AND DESTROYING IT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE AN IRVINE OR, OR A, A GILBERT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH 500, FOUR OR 500 UNITS AND JUST STACK HIM IN THERE AND, AND, AND, AND BASICALLY THINKING YOU'RE, YOU'RE CREATING CULTURE BY GIVING A HALF ACRE, TWO ACRES FOR COMMUNITY AND WALKING PAST AND THIS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT WHAT THE PICTURE REALLY IS GONNA LOOK LIKE 5, 10, 15 YEARS AGO.

IT'S GONNA BE CRAP.

IT'S GONNA BE JUST LIKE THE CRAP THAT I'VE SEEN IN IRVINE, THE CRAP THAT I'VE SEEN DOWN WHEN I GO TO ANTHEM.

IT'S GONNA BASICALLY TAKE FROM THE BEAUTY OF WHAT THIS THIS COMMUNITY OFFERS.

YOU HAVE A REAL GEM HERE.

YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP THAT GEM, UH, AND IT PROVIDES A LOT OF VALUE TO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TRY TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

UH, LISTEN TO COMMUNITY, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN MULTIPLE TIMES UP TO THESE SESSIONS AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE NOT LISTENED TO.

OH, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER SESSION TO SEE IF WE GET A DIFFERENT VOTE.

UM, MY TIME'S UP.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU ROBERT.

PEGGY, THANKS FOR THE HELP.

ALL IS PEGGY HERE.

OKAY, MOVING ON TO KATHY.

AFTER KATHY WILL BE GREG.

AND THAT SHOULD BE IT.

NOT TOO FAR AWAY FROM YOUR VICE CHAIR.

AT ANY RATE, UM, I'M GONNA MAKE IT SHORT AND SWEET.

I DON'T LIKE THE PROJECT.

I WENT TO THE MEETING WHERE I HAD THE RED TOKEN AND THE GREEN TOKEN.

AND THE RED TOKEN I PUT IN PREFERRED NUMBER ONE IN THE GREEN ONE.

I PUT IT IN PREFERRED NUMBER FOUR, WHICH I THINK HAS DISAPPEARED SOMEPLACE.

AT ANY RATE, WHAT I'M SAYING IS I LOVE SEDONA FOR SO MANY REASONS.

THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS SOMETHING FOR ALL OF US, NOT THIS.

I MOVED UP HERE FROM PHOENIX AT ONE TIME, HONOLULU LATER.

THIS ISN'T WHAT I MOVED TO.

I'M HOPING YOU'LL TURN THIS DOWN AND REALIZE THAT MYSELF AND OTHERS WILL BE CIRCULATING THE INITIATIVE.

WE WILL BE WORKING HARD TO FIND OUT WHAT THE SEDONAS REALLY WANT.

I THINK THEY WANT THE CULTURAL PARK.

MY NAME'S UH, GREG KIRKHAM.

I'VE BEEN IN SEDONA FOR, UH, 25 YEARS NOW.

IN FACT, CALI WAS ONE OF MY STUDENTS.

I WAS THE PRINCIPAL AT WEST SEDONA SCHOOL.

AND YOU WERE AWESOME.

I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY, UM, I FEEL LIKE I, I FELL ASLEEP.

UM, AND I, I WOKE UP AND I SAW THIS PROJECT AND I THOUGHT, THIS IS NOT SEDONA.

THIS IS NOT THE VOICE OF SEDONA.

I'VE BEEN AROUND A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.

I DON'T GO TO

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ATHENS TO HIKE OR TO SEE THE SCENIC BEAUTY OR FOUNTAIN HILLS.

UM, I'VE BEEN TO THE CULTURAL PARK AT LEAST THREE TIMES.

I USED TO HIKE ALL THE BIG MOUNTAINS.

MATTER OF FACT, UM, CALI'S, UH, FATHER TOOK ME UP, UH, CAPITOL BUTTE.

HE WAS THE FIRST ONE TO SHOW ME THE WAY UP THERE.

I USED TO HIKE THE BIG MOUNTAINS AND I LOVED IT.

NOW I'M HIKING ALL THE TRAILS THAT I PASSED UP BECAUSE OF HEALTH REASONS.

THE CULTURAL PARK.

I, I JUST WAS THERE A COUPLE NIGHTS AGO WITH MY WIFE.

UH, WE WALKED THE TRAILS.

IT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I FEEL YOU SHOULD PRESERVE, THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO BE.

UM, I REALLY SUPPORT THE AMPHITHEATER.

UM, MY VERY FIRST YEAR HERE AS PRINCIPAL, I HELD THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS FOR ODYSSEY OF THE MIND.

WE COLLABORATED WITH YAVAPAI COLLEGE.

WE HAD OVER 5,000 PEOPLE ATTEND.

WE DID OUR AWARD CEREMONY AT THE CULTURAL PARK.

THE HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATIONS USED TO BE AT THE CULTURAL PARK BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH PRISTINE BEAUTY.

AND I, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT PROPERTY.

I, I SEE YOUR JOB AS TRYING TO PRESERVE IT.

AND WE'VE HAD SO MUCH TAKEN AWAY.

AND WHEN WE MOVED HERE, WE KNEW IT WAS GONNA GROW AND WE ACCEPT THAT GROWTH THAT'S PART OF LIVING IN A COMMUNITY.

BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS GOING UP TO HELP THE SEDONA WORKFORCE.

UH, SIT ON A LOFTS IS GONNA BE JUST A, A BLOCK FROM MY HOUSE.

AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT THESE PROJECTS ARE GOING ON, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE MOST PRISTINE PROPERTIES IN SEDONA.

MY REALTOR TOOK ME TO THE CULTURAL PARK WITH MY KIDS AND MY WIFE.

AND, UH, WE LOOKED AT THE AMPHITHEATER AND THE FIRST THING WE DID IS WE WENT TO A CONCERT, I THINK IT WAS CALLED THE GIN BLOSSOMS. WE EVEN SAW WILLIE NELSON THERE.

UM, WE LOVE THE ARTS.

I THINK IT'S A PERFECT PLACE FOR, UM, ALL THE THINGS THAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED.

AND I WAS GLAD TO SEE PATRICK TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THE THEATERS THERE.

WHAT A PERFECT PLACE FOR IT.

AND HOW IT WOULD NESTLE IN WITH THE AMPHITHEATER AND THE OTHER PROPOSALS FOR THE ARTS.

SEDONA IS ABOUT THE ARTS, AND I THINK IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE PRESERVATION OF PROPERTY, THE SCENIC BEAUTY.

AND I, I JUST DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING GOING UP, ESPECIALLY AT THE CULTURAL PARK.

SO I HOPE YOU'LL AT LEAST TAKE THESE WORDS.

I WISH I HAD WRITTEN THEM DOWN BEFORE I CAME, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK FROM THE HEART THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE SOMETHING THAT'S WORTH SAVING.

THANK YOU, GREG.

THAT'S VERY HEARTFELT.

OKAY, SO I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I THINK I DO.

IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE BEAUTIFUL CULTURAL PARK WHERE I GOT TO WATCH MY FRIENDS GRADUATE WHERE I DID NOT BECAUSE I WAS TOO YOUNG BEFORE IT CLOSED.

UM, I REALLY ENJOYED THAT PUBLIC COMMENT.

UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DIDN'T GET IT FROM GREG, I GREW UP HERE.

HE WAS MY PRINCIPAL.

UM, I REMEMBER GOING TO CONCERTS AT THE CULTURAL PARK, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, DON'T REMEMBER OR WHATEVER COMBINATION, THE REASON IT CLOSED IS COMPLICATED, BUT IT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THE LACK OF COMMUNITY SUPPORT.

THERE WAS A LOT OF COMPLAINTS AND A LOT OF, UM, I WAS A KID, SO I DON'T KNOW THE INTRICACIES, BUT WHAT I REMEMBER IS IT BEING BLAMED ON NOISE AND CROWDING AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

I WOULD LOVE IT TO STILL EXIST.

I MEAN, IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE PLACE.

I SAW BANDS THERE WHEN I WAS TOO YOUNG TO SEE THE BANDS THAT I WAS SEEING THERE, .

UM, BUT ULTIMATELY THE COMMUNITY WAS THE REASON IT'S NOT THERE.

SIMPLICITY SIMPLISTICALLY THE REASON IT'S NOT THERE.

UM, SO I REALLY, I FEEL FOR, I WISH IT WOULD'VE NEVER WENT AWAY RIGHT FROM WHAT IT WAS WHEN I WAS A KID.

I REALLY, REALLY DO.

BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME TO THESE MEETINGS FOR OTHER HOUSING PROJECTS AND KNOW THAT WE GET FOUGHT ON EVERY SINGLE HOUSING PROJECT.

AND PART OF THE REASON THAT IN MY OPINION, THIS IS WE'VE ROLLED DOWN THIS HILL, IS BECAUSE NO HAS BEEN SAID SO MANY TIMES AND THE POPULATION DECLINE OF OUR COMMUNITY, WHETHER THAT IS A PROPONENT OF HOW IT'S KIND OF A CHICKEN OR EGG THING.

IS IT BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE? IS IT BECAUSE OF TOO MANY AIRBNBS? IS IT BECAUSE OF AN AGE DECLINE? I THINK THERE'S A, A ROLE TO BE PLAYED IN ALL OF THAT, BUT THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY IS A LONG, LONG, LONG HISTORIC STORY ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.

IN MY PERFECT DREAM WHERE I WAS SLEEPING, GREG AND I WOKE UP,

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UM, SO I, IT'S JUST IN, REMEMBER THIS WAS A, THIS IS A SPECIAL PLACE, BUT SONSONA HAS CHANGED A LOT SINCE I WAS A KID.

EV EVERYWHERE HAS, EVERYWHERE I'VE EVER LIVED HAS CHANGED A LOT SINCE I WAS A KID.

THERE'S MORE HUMANS ON THE PLANET THAN EVER, AND THE WAY WE MOVE IS DIFFERENT THAN WE'VE EVER MOVED.

SO I APPRECI I REALLY, REALLY ENJOYED THE REFLECTION AND THE DREAM THAT IT JUST NEVER SHUT FOR A MOMENT.

UM, BUT I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO COME TO THESE THINGS AND SUPPORT THE PROJECTS WHERE YOU WANT TO SEE THEM.

UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT IS A HARD JOB FOR ALL OF US WHO LIVE HERE AND VOLUNTEER TO DO THIS TO SAY YES WHEN ALL WE HEAR IS NO.

AND, AND OUR POPULATION IS SUFFERING.

OUR PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING.

AND IT, YOU KNOW, I CAN SHARE AGAIN, JUST MY EXPERIENCE, BUT THE AMOUNT OF PHYSICIANS I'VE LOST, THE AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, MY FAVORITE, YOU KNOW, SERVER AT CAFE JOSES, THE AMOUNT IT, I MEAN IT'S ALL ACROSS THE BOARDS, YOU KNOW, FRIENDS, YOUNG FAMILIES THAT HAVE LEFT.

UM, SO THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NEED AND IT'S ABOUT TRYING TO FIND THE BALANCE AND TRYING TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE GREATER PART OF THE WHOLE.

AND I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN AS WE NAVIGATE THAT.

UM, SO YEAH.

ANYBODY ELSE? UM, YOU ROB? UH, I, YEAH, CHARLOTTE HAS, UH, I SEE YOU CHARLOTTE .

GO AHEAD, ROB.

UM, I, I THINK THE, UH, I THINK, UH, OPTION ONE HAS SOME INTERESTING ISSUES, UH, ALONG THE ROAD, ALONG THE HIGHWAY BECAUSE, UH, IT INTRODUCES A CULTURAL PIECE WITH THE SEDONA FILM FESTIVAL.

AND IF THIS IS A CULTURAL PARK, IT, UH, INTRODUCES THAT.

AND, UH, BUT I LIKE ALL THE REST ABOVE THAT PART.

AND, UH, IN OPTION TWO, I JUST THINK THE STRIDES OF THAT BACK AREA, AND I THINK A RECREATION CENTER IS SOMETHING WE COULD ALL PUSH FOR, BUT I THINK THE, UH, ENERGY OF WHAT'S ON THE HIGHWAY IS GREAT IN OPTION ONE.

AND I THINK THE ENERGY OF EVERYTHING ELSE, ESPECIALLY LIKE NOT BRINGING UP, UH, TO YOUR, TO EVERYBODY'S CONCERN, UH, BRINGING UP THREE STORY BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE HIGHWAY, UH, OPTION ONE HAS THAT.

OPTION TWO ONLY HAS ONE AND TWO, ONE AND TWO STORY TOWN HOMES, WHICH I THINK ARE VERY, A VERY GOOD OPTION IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO EVERYTHING CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY, UH, IS LOW SCALE, UH, JUST LIKE MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND AS YOU GET TO THE BACK, IT GETS HIGHER.

SO I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A, A GOOD MOVE IN THE FACT THAT THE LOW SCALE PIECES ARE ALL UP FRONT.

AND THE ENTRANCE TO THE CULTURAL PARK IS A CULTURAL FACILITY BEING THE, PERHAPS THE SEDONA FILM FESTIVAL.

I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN SOME OF THEM, BUT IF WE COULD JUST GO THROUGH THEM.

CHARLOTTE, UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION MAYBE MORE FOR KURT.

UM, BASED ON THE COMMENTS FOR ONE OF THE, UM, PUBLIC SPEAKERS, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CITIZEN REFERENDUM, CAN THAT ACTUALLY BE, UM, PUT IN PLACE OR, OR FILED BEFORE THERE'S ACTUALLY BEEN ACTION BY CITY COUNCIL? SO, UH, YEAH.

THANK YOU VICE CHAIRMAN.

SO, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'VE, I'VE RESEARCHED A LOT, SO YOU CAN TAKE THIS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT RIGHT NOW, IS THAT THAT ZONING BY INITIATIVE IS, IS NOT ALLOWED IN ARIZONA.

UM, ARIZONA SUPREME COURT HAS RULED AGAINST THAT, UM, MANY DECADES AGO, I BELIEVE.

UM, AND THAT ZONING ZONE CHANGES ARE, ARE ONLY ALLOWED, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH ORDINANCE AND THEN THEY CAN BE, UM, APPEALED OR PREVENTED THROUGH REFERENDUM AFTER THE FACT LIKE YOU, LIKE YOU MENTIONED.

IF I MAY, UM, PART OF WHAT WE WERE HOPING TO DO HERE TONIGHT MM-HMM .

WAS GET ANSWERS, UH, FROM, UH, THE QUESTIONS IDENTIFIED ON PAGE 88 OF THE PACKET.

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PERHAPS EACH COMMISSIONER COULD RUN THROUGH 'EM QUICKLY.

PAGE AGAIN, PAGE 80.

UM, I NEED TWO FEW.

DO YOU CARE FOR, UH, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY THOUGHTS, THAT'S FINE AS WELL, BUT IT WOULD DEFINITELY HELP.

STAFF.

UM, YEAH, SO THE CONSULTANT GOING FORWARD, THE FIRST ITEM, SO I THINK THAT WE'VE HEARD THAT THE PREFERENCE OF THE COMMISSION IS TO GO FOR PREFERRED OPTION TWO.

UM, WHICH HAS, AS JAY HAD POINTED OUT, THE, HAD A 415 UNIT MAXIMUM, UM, BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT THEY HAVE RUN.

AND SO WHAT WE ARE ALSO LOOKING FOR IS THEIR, A MINIMUM NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS THAT THE COMMISSION FELT WOULD BE, UM, KIND OF THE, THE FLOOR OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR ON THE SITE.

IF WE'RE GOING FOR HOUSING.

I PRETTY MUCH AM IN SUPPORT OF JAY'S COMMENT.

THAT THIS IS THE MAX.

AND LET THE FLEXIBILITY FOR COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT TO DECIDE WHAT GOES WHERE, WHAT THE MARKET WANTS.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

THE ONLY BENEFIT OF A MINIMUM THAT I CAN THINK OF IS TO LIKE OVERCOME LIKE MASSING AND, AND LIKE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT OF LIKE SUPPORTING DEVELOPERS AND GET IN NAVIGATING THAT.

BUT I DON'T, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL HAVE THE SUPPORT OF GETTING THROUGH THAT KIND OF DESIGN DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT IT.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL A STRONG PUSH TO CREATE A MINIMUM BECAUSE THAT WOULD PIGEONHOLE HOW, LIKE, SAY WE DON'T WANT, SAY IN 15 YEARS, WE DON'T WANT HOUSING IN BLOCK SEVEN OR WHATEVER.

I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE LIMITED EITHER.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ? I MEAN, OR DO YOU WANT AN OPINION FROM EACH OF US OR NO? IF ANYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION, WE, WE WANT TO HEAR IT, BUT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY NEEDS TO SPEAK.

GOOD.

UM, THE NEXT QUESTION THAT WE HAD WAS DIVERSITY OF HOUSING VERSUS AMOUNT OF HOUSING.

UM, WITH THE, THE KINDA EXPLANATION BEING THAT, UM, INCORPORATING DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING SUCH AS TOWNHOUSES AND TWO STORY WALKUPS VERSUS HIGHER DENSITY APARTMENTS.

YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH A LOWER TOTAL NUMBER BUT A HIGHER DIVERSITY.

AND SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT SERVES A GREATER POPULATION, YOU MIGHT HAVE A LOWER NUMBER, BUT A HIGHER DIVERSITY NET.

WE WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS A, A STRONG FEELING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER FROM THE COMMISSION ON THAT.

I'LL SPEAK ON THAT AGAIN.

UM, ALLOWING, AGAIN, THIS CONCEPT OF HAVING MORE DIVERSE HOUSING IS IMPORTANT.

AGAIN, IT GIVES POWER BACK TO THE CITY OR POWER, NOT POWER, WHAT'S THE WORD WE USED? FLEXIBILITY.

FLEXIBILITY TO THE CITY, UH, TO LOOK TO SEE WHAT THE NEEDS ARE AT THE TIME OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND, YOU KNOW, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I, I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR SPACE, BE HONEST.

ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY.

UH, YES.

CAN I THROW IN SOMETHING? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

OF COURSE.

UM, IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION WE'VE SEEN THINGS CALLED SENIOR HOUSING REFERENCES TO THAT IT, I'VE BEEN, UH, BLOCK AND UM, I DON'T SEE THAT REFERENCED ANYMORE.

I ASSUME IF SOMETHING'S A TWO STORY APARTMENT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT THE POSSIBILITY OF SENIOR HOUSING.

BUT, UM, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THE, THE EXISTING COMMUNITY IN SEDONA, UM, SENIOR HOUSING, SOMETHING WITH A CONTINUUM OF CARE OPTIONS POSSIBLY.

AND WE SHOULD MAYBE INVESTIGATE THAT OR ALLOW FOR SOME SPACE FOR THAT.

THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, CHARLOTTE.

WELL, I THOUGHT IT WAS THERE BEFORE AND IT SEEMS TO HAVE DISAPPEARED.

I WONDER IF, WHAT, DIDN'T WE HAVE DISCUSSION THAT THAT SENIOR HOUSING MAY END UP BEING IN THE OTHER PART OF THE WESTERN GATEWAY WHERE THE MEDICAL CENTER WAS, WAS THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS LAST TIME WAS LOOKING AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY YEAH.

MAPS.

BUT I THINK ALSO SENIOR HOUSING COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO ONE OF THE MULTIFAMILY BLOCKS AS A YEAH, FOR SURE.

WE'RE, I MEAN WE'RE NOT PLANNING THAT AREA RIGHT NOW,

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I MEAN, THE NEXT ONE I FEEL LIKE WE GOT A PRETTY STRONG ANSWER 'CAUSE IT WAS THE AMOUNT OF COMMIT, COMMUNITY BENEFIT SPACE AND YOU, EVERYONE KIND OF SEEMED TO, UM, HAVE THE PREFERENCE FOR THE, THE PLAN WITH HAVING MORE COMMUNITY BENEFIT SPACE AROUND THE TRAILHEAD.

SO UNLESS YOU'VE CHANGED YOUR MIND IN THE LAST COUPLE HOURS, WE'LL MOVE ON FROM THAT ONE.

AND THEN JUST THE LAST ONE, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU'VE HEARD, UM, THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE LAST MEETING, IN THIS MEETING, THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THE COMMERCIAL BLOCKS.

AND AGAIN, WE CAN'T COMMIT TO ANY SINGULAR USE, BUT IF, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD THE LAST TIME AROUND THAT YOU WERE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF POTENTIALLY THE FILM FESTIVAL.

YOU HEARD THE ART MUSEUM SPEAK TONIGHT.

AND SO IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC USES, UM, WE WOULD WANT THAT YOU FEEL WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THE CITY IN THOSE SPACES, WE WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, HOW THE COMMUN OR HOW THE MASTER PLAN IS WRITTEN DOES ACCOMMODATE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY IF WE WANT THIS COMMUNITY TO BE WALKABLE, UM, YOU'LL NEED SOME SORT OF FOOD.

FOOD AND ALSO A SMALL GROCERY STORE OF SOME SORT SO THAT THEY CAN PURCHASE FOOD.

'CAUSE THERE IS NOT, ON THIS SECTION OF TOWN, THERE'S NOT A PLACE TO BUY FOOD.

UM, 'CAUSE I THINK THE NEXT PLACE WOULD BE THE CIRCLE K OR WOULD THE GROW OR WELL, WHICHEVER.

THERE'S JUST NOT A WALKABLE PLACE FOR A SMALL, LIKE A SMALL MOM AND POP KIND OF PLACE.

UM, I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S SUPER, SUPER KEY IF WE WANT HIM TO WALK.

I AGREE.

JOE.

I, I HAD ACTUALLY WRITTEN DOWN THE LAST TIME LIKE A SMALL MARKET GROCERY, MEDICAL GYM, PHARMACY BANK, IF SOMEBODY COULD GET MONEY, POTENTIAL CHILDCARE SPACE.

SO THOSE ARE SORT OF COMMUNITY SERVING RETAIL THAT ARE NOT ALL THE SAME.

UM, THAT IF WE WANNA MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE YEAH.

GOING ALONG WITH THAT, UH, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT FRONT CULTURAL KIND OF USES FILM FESTIVAL, MUSEUM.

WHATEVER.

UM, BUT I DID BRING UP IN THE LAST MEETING, AND I DIDN'T REMEMBER UNTIL JUST NOW ABOUT AT THE POTENTIAL LOSS OF UNITS, WHICH I THINK WE ALL KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT, UH, FIRST FLOOR MIXED USE IN HOUSING FOR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

WHERE THAT'S, IT'S NOT FOR THE PEOPLE COMING OFF 89 A IT'S FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE MM-HMM .

AND MAYBE THE PEOPLE WHO NEED A GATORADE AFTER THEIR BIKE RIDE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T BRING ENOUGH WATER.

'CAUSE THAT NEVER HAPPENS HERE.

UM, BUT THAT WAS FRONT BUILDINGS REALLY BEING THE GATEWAY TO THE CULTURAL KIND OF EXPERIENCE FILM FESTIVAL WHO, WHO WHATEVER CONGLOMERATE OF, YOU KNOW, SEDONA LOVING CULTURAL COMES TO BE ON THOSE FRONT BUILDINGS, BUT THEN THE REMINDER OF THE POTENTIAL FOR FIRST FLOOR MIXED USE FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.

AND I'VE REMINDING ME, AND I'VE ALSO SEEN TOO IDEAS POPPED AROUND IN OTHER CITIES, ESPECIALLY ALONG LIKE BIKE TRAILS AND WALKING TRAILS OF SMALL COMMERCIAL PLACES.

SO TINY ICE CREAM PARLOR, TINY, YOU KNOW, PICKUP.

SO THAT AS THERE WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS BEING FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT THEN IF WE HAD A LOT OF TOURISM, THEN THEY, YOU KNOW, JUST A SMALL SPACE TO PICK A SNACK UP, A SALMON SHOP OR DRY GOODS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, I DON'T WANNA USE THE WORD POPUP, BUT I HAVE SEEN THAT IN SOME BIGGER CITIES WHERE THERE'S JUST THESE SMALLER SPACE.

SO AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, DO WE PUT IN THESE LITTLE TEENY POCKETS OF, OF ALLOWING COMMERCIAL USE WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA? SOMETHING THAT I, I REALLY HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT UNTIL YOU JUST SPOKE, WHICH IS DO WE HAVE THE, NOT INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DELIVER FOOD AND THINGS TO A GROCERY STORE AND ALL THAT? IS THAT BUILT INTO TO PART OF, I MEAN, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA DO THAT? IF YOU, IF YOU GO TO SAFEWAY, THEY GO IN BEHIND SAFEWAY AND THEY DELIVER THE STUFF.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TRUCKS, LIKE HOW TRUCKS GET IN? YEAH.

TRUCK THAT WOULD ANSWER THAT PART OF YEAH.

HOW THE SITES DESIGNED.

IF THAT'S THE USER THAT IS SELECTED, IT'S PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS FOR THE PLAN.

THE CITY MAKES SURE THAT THE SEMIS THAT NEED TO SURVIVE, LIKE SERVE THE AREA CAN FIT.

AND IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH SEDONA REALLY EARLY IN THE MORNING, THEY JUST PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF A DMA AND A LOAD RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AND RUN ACROSS THE STREET.

SO, BUT IT'S PART OF THE PLAN.

IT'S PART OF THE PLANNING, BUT LOADING AREAS AND DELIVERY AREAS WOULD BE PART OF A DEVELOPMENT PLAN BASED ON THE SELECTED, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER ENDS UP WITH A A SITE.

UH, NOT TO SOUND LIKE I'M GOING BACK ON WHAT I SAID ABOUT WHAT A GREAT ARCHITECT COULD MAKE A FOUR STORY BUILDING LOOK LIKE TOO.

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UM, AS I LOOK, AS I LOOK AT THE OPTIONS AND HEAR PEOPLE ABOUT THE HEIGHT ON THE SITE, I, I WONDER IF WE MIGHT, AND IT IS GONNA DEPEND ON MAYBE CROSS SECTIONS OR I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SOME, YOU USE COMPUTER MODELING TO JUST QUICKLY LOOK AT MASSING.

BUT, UH, PERHAPS AS WE, WE GO FROM ONE TO TWO STORY AND THEN WE JUMP RIGHT UP TO THREE TO FOUR ON OPTION TWO TO MAYBE LOOK AT THAT.

THAT'S THE AREA I'M WRESTLING WITH MOST IS THE SCALE OF THAT BACK CORNER.

AND I KNOW WHEN WE WALK THE SITE TODAY, WE KNOW IT'S WAY DOWN IN THE HOLE.

UH, BUT I THINK ABOUT ITS VIEWS FROM THE COMMUNITY PARK, UH, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE TAKE THE ROAD RIGHT ALONG THERE AND IT CHANGES THE SCALE OF THAT.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT, THAT AREA MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER CHOICE THAT'S LESS DENSE.

AND I'M NOT SAYING ONE STORY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WILL BE A SHAME, UH, TO NOT HAVE THE DENSITY, BUT MAYBE IT DROPS IT BY A HUNDRED OR SOMETHING.

AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT BLOCK SEVEN IS PROBABLY GONNA BE ONE OF THE LAST BLOCKS THAT WE DEVELOP.

SO I THINK TOO THAT JUST GIVES, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, GIVE IT THE, THE HIGH CEILING AND THEN AT THAT TIME WHEN THEY'RE READY TO DEVELOP IT, DEVELOPMENT AND CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T FIT THIS, THIS LOOK, YOU WANNA PUT SOMETHING HERE? IT DOESN'T.

THAT WE DON'T THINK GOES.

NO, I, I AGREE.

I THINK WHAT, WHAT JAY SAID ABOUT DON'T CUT OFF YOUR NOSE, LEAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR WHATEVER HAPPENS.

I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT SAME EXPRESSION, .

WHAT'S THAT? DON'T CUT OFF YOUR NOSE DESPITE YOUR FACE.

SO I THINK WE HAVE SOME GOOD FEEDBACK, UM, JUST AS FAR AS MOVING THIS FORWARD.

UM, SO RIGHT NOW THE DRAFTS OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE HAVE ARE UP ON PLAN SEDONA.COM AND OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

UM, WE WILL LEAVE THOSE UP FOR AN EXTRA COUPLE DAYS, UM, JUST IN CASE ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN, IN COMMENTING.

UM, I THINK WHEN WE WERE HERE, MAYBE IN APRIL, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY DOING A PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, WE DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DATE.

SO WE DO NOT HAVE A DATE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT NOW.

WE'LL PROBABLY BE DOING SOME MORE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, UM, WITH SOME OF THE DRAFTS THAT ARE DEVELOPED FROM SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE'VE GOTTEN TODAY AND THROUGH THIS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

UM, AND SO, UM, WE WILL DEFINITELY KEEP THE COMMISSION, UM, IN THE LOOP ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT.

BUT ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC, IF YOU GO TO PLAN SEDONA.COM, YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR UPDATES AND WE'LL KEEP THE MAILING LIST THAT WE HAVE, UM, THAT WE'RE BUILDING THROUGH THAT UPDATED AS WELL AS FAR AS NEXT STEPS IN THE PROCESS.

SO YEAH, SO IF YOU THINK OF ANYTHING BRILLIANT IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, LET US KNOW.

UM, BUT THEN, LIKE I SAID, ALSO THE, THE DOCUMENT IS OPEN AND AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT@PLANSEDONA.COM, PROBABLY AT LEAST THROUGH THE END OF THE WEEK.

PROBABLY THROUGH NEXT WEEK.

'CAUSE I PROBABLY WON'T TAKE IT DOWN ON FRIDAY.

ON TO AGENDA ITEM SEVEN, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT DOING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM.

SO CLOSING AGENDA ITEM SIX.

MOVING

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LIKE WE HAD ORIGINALLY THOUGHT MIGHT BE HAPPENING IN JUNE, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON FUTURE AGENDAS.

SO WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED AS WE ADD STUFF TO FUTURE AGENDAS.

NOTHING.

JUNE 3RD.

AND SO WHAT WE DON'T KNOW YET ABOUT JUNE SI 17TH? I, NOT FOR SURE, BUT IT'S 90% SURE THAT'S GONNA BE CANCELED UNLESS SOMETHING COMES UP IN THE NEXT TWO DAYS, WHICH I DON'T THINK IT WILL.

OKAY, WONDERFUL.

OKAY, SO IF THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS, WE ADJOURN AT 8 0 8.

DO YOU NEED A MOTION? NO, NO.

NOPE.

JUST A WORK SESSION.

I'M GONNA MAKE MY FIRST MOTION.

THANK YOU EVERYBODY.