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OKAY,[1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]
BEFORE WE BEGIN, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S HERE TO HEAR OUR SIM UPDATE.IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT THREE HOURS.
YOU DON'T MIND, YOU'RE JUST GONNA HANG OUT.
RIGHT? SO WE'RE GONNA SWITCH THE ITEMS BECAUSE I KNOW CHRIS WOULD MUCH RATHER BE SOMEWHERE MORE FUN THAN THIS.
IS THERE A CAKE OVER THERE? YEAH.
SO WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, AND A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
[ 2. ROLL CALL]
DEPUTY CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR BLO.[3.b. Recognition of Sedona Police Sergeant Christopher Stevens.]
BUSINESS.SO, UH, RECOGNITION OF SEDONA POLICE SERGEANT CHRIS STEVENS
WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? I KNOW WE JUST, SO SERGEANT STEVEN STARTED WITH SERGEANT STEVEN STARTED WITH TO SIT ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN 2005.
AND I ACTUALLY RETIRES THIS SATURDAY.
THAT'S BAD FOR US, BUT GOOD FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
I WOULD GUESS ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR ALL THOSE YEARS OF SERVICE TAKING CARE OF OUR COMMUNITY, KEEPING US SAFE, AND WATCHING OVER US.
WE COULDN'T ASK FOR A FINER MAN TO DO IT.
SO, SERGEANT STEVENS CURRENTLY SUPERVISES A PATROL SQUAD WITH THREE OFFICERS AND OVERSEES THE MOTOR UNIT AND COM.
UH, THE COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS WHO CONDUCT THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT IN UPTOWN AND THE TRAILHEAD, AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB.
WE SEE THAT DAILY ON THE REPORT.
SERGEANT STEVENS MOST PROUD MOMENT AT THE SEDONA, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT INCLUDE OH TWO TWO LIFESAVING COMMENDATIONS.
ONE FOR PERFORMING CPR AND USING AN A ED DURING THE FEBRUARY 24TH.
UH, FEBRUARY, 2024, AN EMERGENCY CALL FOR AN EMPLOYEE AT SAFEWAY WHO WASN'T BREATHING.
AND THEN NOVEMBER, 2020, PROVIDING MEDICAL AID TO A MAN IN WEST SEDONA.
YOU, YOU'LL REMEMBER THOSE TWO PEOPLE FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
I'VE HAD FOUR OF THEM IN MY CAREER.
SO YOU, YOU DON'T FORGET WHEN YOU SAVE THOSE PEOPLE, YOU DON'T.
SO SERGEANT STEVENS WILL BEGIN A NEW CAREER ON JUNE 9TH.
JULY 9TH, AND GIVE YOURSELF SOME TIME TO
I WOULD AN ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND I'M VERY PROUD FOR THEM TO HAVE YOU.
AND I THINK THEY MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE.
IS THAT THE MIC? NOBODY WANTS
WELL THEN WE DEFINITELY WANT YOU TO HAVE THE MIC.
I PROBABLY DON'T NEED THE MIC ON.
BUT, UH, I LIKE HOLDING THE MIC AND THEN THEY GAVE ME, THEY GAVE ME A FEW MINUTES.
I WAS LIKE, OH MY, OH, I'LL TAKE THAT NOW.
IT'S ALL IN ALL, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, I APPRECIATE, UM, THE, UH, THE GESTURES AND THE UH, UH, UM, RECOGNITION.
IT'S BEEN A SOMETIMES LONG 20 YEARS, AND SOMETIMES IT GOES VERY FAST.
SO, UH, UM, I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO, UH, SERVE IN DIFFERENT CAPACITIES AND ROLES THROUGHOUT MY 20 YEARS.
UM, DURING THAT TIME, IT HAS, UH, HELPED ME TO PROGRESS AND BECOME A BETTER PERSON AND HOPEFULLY SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE THAT I COME IN CONTACT WITH.
MY WHOLE GOAL WHEN I STARTED POLICING WAS TO CHANGE LIVES IN A POSITIVE MANNER.
UM, WE ALWAYS SAY THAT, BUT, UH, THAT'S WHY I'LL NEVER FORGET THE, UH, THE TWO LIFESAVING AWARDS
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BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET INTO THIS PROFESSION TO ARREST PEOPLE.AND BY SAVING TWO LIVES, IT, UM, AFFECTS ME.
AND IT MAKES ME, UM, REMEMBER THAT, HEY, AT LEAST SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, I MADE A DIFFERENCE.
AND THAT'S ALL THAT I ASKED WAS I MADE DIFFERENCES.
AND THAT'S WHY I SHOWED UP TO WORK, WAS TO MAKE THOSE DIFFERENCES.
AND, UH, I AM GOING TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE.
UM, I'LL BE WORKING IN NORTHERN ARIZONA, COVERING NORTHERN ARIZONA.
AND I HOPE, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A LOT OF CASES
SO I HOPE TO CONTINUE, UM, UH, BUILDING ON THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT I'VE BEEN CREATING AND BUILDING FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.
WELL, LET'S JUST GET, IF WE CAN WITH KEEGAN, JUST ONE OF MYSELF IF I CALL HER STRAIGHT
I DON'T WANT THE FOLLOW, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, YEAH, THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
SEE, THIS IS WHAT THEY SAY THEY'RE GONNA MISS.
YOU'RE GONNA MISS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A FEW WILL BE YOUR FAVORITE.
I KNOW YOU GUYS, EVERYBODY STAND UP TOO, SO YOU CAN READ THE PHOTO.
YEAH, WE'LL DO A COUPLE ARE ARE WE GONNA PHOTO YOU HERE? FRONT? HEY, I DON'T APPRECIATE THAT.
EVERYONE TURN TOWARDS THE CENTER AND TAKE ONE BIG FAT.
WHAT DO YOU, OKAY, EVERYONE LOOK AT STEVENS AND POINT AT HIM AND LAUGH.
YOU READY? EVERYONE? BIG SMILE.
YOU'LL SEE MY FAMILY AND THEY'LL BE HERE ON SATURDAY.
HEY, HOLLY, ARE YOU, DO I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL SEE YOU GUYS AGAIN, SO I APPRECIATE IT.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE.
AND YOU UP TIRED? I'M GOING THROUGH THE BACK OF THE SHADOW.
I NORMALLY LOOK TABLE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I CAN'T.
I CAN'T JUST, I JUST GOT HERE AND YOU'RE LEAVING.
YOU KNOW,
YOU NEED COME SATURDAYS SUPPOSED.
OKAY, TIME IS, WE GOT ONE LEFT ONE.
SEE, NOW WE, ALMOST EVERYBODY'S GONE.
[3.a. AB 3153 Discussion/possible direction regarding Sedona In Motion (SIM)]
ITEM A AB 31 53.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING SEDONA IN MOTION SIM PROJECTS.
OVERVIEW WITH UPDATES ON TRANSIT AND THE UPTOWN PARKING.
WHO'S GONNA START? GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL.
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DIRECTOR.I'M SORRY TO LET YOU DOWN THAT WE ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON IN THE AUDIENCE AND WE HAD IT FILLED HERE AND WE DON'T HAVE CAKE, BUT WE'VE GOT EXCITING NEWS TO SHARE WITH YOU.
UM, LET'S GO ON THIS JOURNEY TOGETHER.
STRAP IN, KEEP YOUR HANDS TO INSIDE THE VEHICLE
I'M GONNA DO THE PRESENTATION.
YOU GUYS ALREADY READ THE AGENDA BILL.
HOPE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT COME TO MIND WHEN WE GET TO THOSE SLIDES.
PLEASE BRING THOSE QUESTIONS UP.
UM, I'M GONNA START OFF AND THEN WE'LL HAND OUT OFF TO TRANSIT.
AND WE'RE ALL BEEN EXCITED WITH AMBER BEING HERE.
AND THEN WE'LL HAND IT OVER TO LANCE IN PARKING.
AND WE'VE GOT OUR CONSULTANT HERE, ATHENA.
UH, THAT'LL STEP IN AND THEN I'LL WRAP UP THE REST OF IT.
SO WE HAVE TILL FOUR O'CLOCK AND, UM, WHEN WE'RE OFF.
I'M EXCITED TO START OUT THERE.
I KIND OF ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE AGENDA.
UM, THE TRANSIT METRICS IS WHERE I WANNA SPEND SOME TIME WITH Y'ALL ON TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE DATA IS SHOWING US AND THE REAL GOOD SUCCESSES THAT WE'RE HAVING.
I PUT THE LITTLE VIDEO OF HERE, WHAT WE SHARED LAST TIME, JUST AS KIND OF REMINDER TO SHARE EVERYBODY AND OUR AUDIENCE THERE ON THE CAMERA ABOUT SIM AND UPTOWN AND CONNECTIVITY AND MOBILITY.
UM, OH, AND THEN I CAN'T FORGET SANDY'S HERE AS WELL.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT OUR SUCCESS OF THE STEPS PROGRAM AND OUR SHARED USE PATH.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS.
I'M AMBER WAGNER, THE TRANSIT ADMINISTRATOR, AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO, UH, GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON OUR TRANSIT PROGRAM, UH, SIM SEVEN AND EIGHT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO START BY GIVING YOU A ROADMAP OF TODAY'S UPDATE.
UH, WE'LL BEGIN BY REVIEWING OUR OVERALL RIDERSHIP TRENDS, WHICH HELPS US MEASURE HOW WE ARE PERFORMING.
UH, WE'LL DIVE INTO PERFORMANCE OF THE, UH, TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE, WHICH IS OUR LONGEST RUNNING SERVICE.
AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW IT, UH, WITH SOME DISCUSSION ON THE CONNECT ON DEMAND MICRO TRANSIT.
I'LL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON OUR TRANSIT MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FACILITY, AND I'LL SHARE A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE UPTOWN CIRCULATOR FEASIBILITY STUDY, UH, WHICH ALIGNS WITH OUR PARKING STRATEGY AND SUPPORTS OUR UPTOWN ACCESS.
FINALLY, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UM, WHAT TO EXPECT.
WE HAVE AN UP UPCOMING COUNCIL WORK SESSION SCHEDULED AT THE END OF JUNE, WHERE WE WILL TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO THE TRANSIT PROGRAM, RIDERSHIP TRENDS, OUR SEDONA TRANSIT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, FUNDING NEEDS, AND TENTATIVE GRANTS OUTLOOK.
LET'S BEGIN WITH A MILESTONE THAT DEMONSTRATES JUST HOW FAR WE'VE COME SINCE WE STARTED OUR INITIAL SERVICE IN MARCH OF 22.
AT THE END OF THIS MARCH, WE CELEBRATED OUR HUGE ACHIEVEMENT AND MILESTONE WITH OUR 1000000TH RIDER ON OUR SEDONA TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE SERVICES.
AND THAT'S A GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT.
I'M SO GLAD THAT I WAS BE ABLE TO BE HERE FOR THAT.
UH, AS OF APRIL 30TH, UM, WE'VE PROVIDED MORE THAN 1,000,060 9,712 TOTAL BOARDINGS, UH, IN THE YEARS THAT WE'VE OPERATED THIS SERVICE.
THIS PROGRESS SHOWS STEADY GROWTH AND, UH, SHOWS A REALLY AN ADOPTION OF OUR COMMUNITY AND VISITORS SUPPORT OF THIS PROGRAM.
WE'VE SEEN YEAR OVER YEAR GROWTH THAT HAS REMAINED POSITIVE FROM FISCAL YEAR 24 TO 25.
CURRENTLY, WE'RE SEEING A 5% INCREASE.
IF YOU LOOK AT FISCAL YEAR 23, UH, THE YEAR THAT WE'VE OPERATED IT FOR A FULL YEAR FROM FISCAL YEAR 25, UH, WE, OUR BOARDINGS ARE UP 21.5%.
THIS GROWTH AFFIRMS THAT THE TRAILHEAD SERVICE THAT WAS PRIMARILY CREATED TO, UH, EASE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS AND TO ALLEVIATE CONGESTION AS A STRATEGY FOR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT IS VALUABLE AND IT IS INCREASINGLY BEING UTILIZED BY OUR COMMUNITY AND THOSE THAT VISITED.
NOW, LET'S LOOK AT OUR NEWEST SERVICE, OUR CONNECT ON DEMAND.
AND, UH, THIS WAS LAUNCHED AT THIS FALL, UH, THE END OF AUGUST.
AND IT'S A FLEXIBLE MICRO TRANSIT OPTION, UH, DESIGNED TO SERVE RESIDENTS AND OUR VISITORS, UH, WITHOUT FIXED ROUTE CONSTRAINTS.
AND AS OF APRIL 30TH, CONNECT HAS ALREADY PROVIDED 11,763 PASSENGER TRIPS.
HOLD ON, COMPLETED TRIP ONE WAY OR A ROUND TRIP PASSENGER TRIP IS ONE WAY.
WE EXTENDED THE SERVICE HOURS AND DAYS STARTING MARCH 2ND THROUGH APRIL 27TH TO ALIGN
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MORE CLOSELY WITH OUR TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE AND OUR PEAK SPRING VISITOR DEMAND.UH, BASED ON OUR POSITIVE RESPONSES AND RIDERSHIP DURING THESE EXTENDED HOURS, WE DECIDED TO CONTINUE THE EVENING SERVICE UNTIL 8:30 PM THROUGH JUNE.
WE ARE, UH, HOPING THAT THIS EXTENSION HELPS US TEST THE FEASIBILITY OF THESE LONGER HOURS, ESPECIALLY AS WE REFINE OUR OUTREACH AND MARKETING APPROACH AND EFFORTS.
WE ARE CLOSELY MONITORING OUR USAGE PATTERNS AND COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
AND ALSO JUST THIS SUMMER TO PROMOTE OUR ON-DEMAND SERVICES IN GREATER EXTENT.
WE ARE ROLLING OUT A MARKETING CAMPAIGN WITH SOME KEY TACTICS, WHICH INCLUDE DISTRIBUTING OUR UPDATED MATERIALS, PARTNERING, PARTNERING WITH OUR HOSPITALITY PARTNERS, UH, LAUNCHING A FREE RIDE COUPON CAMPAIGN TO BOOST AWARENESS AND OUTREACH TO INCREASE RIDERSHIP.
WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR STACK CHAIRMAN AND SOME VOLUNTEERS TO HELP PROMOTE AND DISTRIBUTE THOSE COUPONS.
UH, WE'RE ALSO DOING TARGETED OUTREACH TO OUR RESIDENTS, OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS AND BUSINESSES.
UH, WE ARE INCREASING VISIBILITY WITH ONBOARD SHUTTLE SCREENS AND IN-ROOM HOTEL VIDEOS.
UH, THE GOAL IS TO ENCOURAGE BOTH OUR RESIDENTS AND THOSE VISITING TO CHOOSE THE SHUTTLE OVER DRIVING AMBER FOR ONE.
AMBER, HOW CLOSE TO REAL TIME IS THE DATA AVAILABLE TO YOU TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE RIGHT NOW HAVING THE, UH, EXTENDED HOURS INTO THE EVENING? UH, HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT LIKE LAST WEEK, FOR INSTANCE? DO YOU YET KNOW? ARE YOU WAITING ON YEAH, I CAN LOOK, LOOK AT IT.
I GIVE IT A FEW DAYS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY UPLOADS, BUT WE'RE SEEING AS, AS OUR VISITATION IS DOWN, UH, WE, WE'VE SEEN IT STEADY OUT.
IT'S DECREASED SOME, BUT IT'S STILL HIGHER THAN THE LEVELS.
WE'RE STILL AVERAGING ABOUT A HUNDRED ON THE WEEKENDS.
UH, THURSDAY AND MONDAY ARE OUR LOWEST DAYS, TYPICALLY.
AND SOMETIMES IT CHANGES, LIKE IT'LL CHANGE AS OF MEMORIAL DAY, IT WAS REALLY BUSY THIS WEEKEND.
SO WE ARE ABLE TO SEE THAT IN REAL TIME AND LOOK AND ANALYZE THAT.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT COULD TRIGGER YOU TO SAY, GEE, WE SHOULD CONTINUE THE, UH, EXTENDED, UH, EVENING HOURS PAST JUNE 30TH? I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AS WE PROVIDE ADDITIONAL OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY, BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US EXTENDED A LITTLE FURTHER OR MAYBE JUST LOOK AT THE PERFORMANCE HOURS AND LOOK AT MAYBE THE EARLY HOURS WHERE SOME OF OUR USAGE IS NOT, IT'S NOT AS UTILIZED AS MUCH COMPARED TO THE EVENING HOURS.
SO MAYBE ADJUST SOME OF THOSE SERVICE HOURS.
IS IT YOUR BASED ON DEMAND? OKAY.
I MEAN, IS IT YOUR EXPECTATION THAT YOU'RE NOT EXPECTING THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE A EX, YOU KNOW, A HIGH LEVEL OF THIS EVENING USAGE ALL THE WAY TO JUNE, AND THEREFORE YOU'RE NOT INTENDING TO COME BACK AND SAY, OH, WE OUGHT TO JUST GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE THIS THROUGH THE SUMMER? I'D HAVE TO, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT DATA AS WE APPROACH IT THROUGH THE OUTREACH.
I THINK WITH ME JUST STARTING AND WITH THE TRANSITION BETWEEN ROBERT AND MYSELF MM-HMM
I'D LIKE TO TAKE SOME TIME TO MARKET AND OUTREACH THIS SERVICE TO A GREATER EXTENT, WHICH I THINK WE EXPANDED THE HOURS, WE HAD NEW STAFF INVOLVED, AND I REALLY THINK THAT WE JUST NEED TO SPEND SOME MORE TIME ON MAKING SURE WE HAVE ADEQUATE OUTREACH ON THIS NEW SERVICE.
THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR ANNETTE, BUT IF WE OPERATE AT A COST DEFICIT, UM, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT LET'S, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO OPERATE EXTENDED HOURS WHERE THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO OPERATE AT A DEFICIT? LIKE, ARE WE BUDGET CONSTRAINED FROM BEING ABLE TO DO THAT? LIKE HOW WOULD WE ON THE FLY, LIKE IF WE DECIDE THAT WE REALLY SHOULD EXTEND, UH, THIS TIME, HOW WOULD WE, HOW DO WE DO THAT? I'M ABOUT TO SNEEZE.
UM, THANK YOU COUNSELOR FOLTZ.
AND ANDY WAS JUST SAYING HE COULD ALSO HELP ANSWER THE QUESTION.
UM, IN THE TRANSIT FUND, YOU DO HAVE A $5.3 MILLION RESERVE, I BELIEVE.
UM, JUST THAT WAS SET ASIDE FOR FUTURE EXPANSION OF THE TRANSIT SERVICE.
AND I THINK IF WE DEEMED THIS AN EX AN EXPANSION OR PERMANENT ONE, UM, WE DO HAVE RESOURCES SET ASIDE.
UM, BUT IF YOU DID WANT TO DO IT ON A LONG-TERM BASIS AND INCREASE THAT SUBSIDY, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE MORE OF A DIALOGUE ABOUT THAT.
AND WHETHER YOU WANT TO ADJUST THE FARES, HOW MUCH SUBSIDY, WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG COULD THIS MONEY LAST AND IF IT'S GONNA IMPACT SOME OTHER
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EXPANSION.BUT IN THE SHORT TERM, YEAH, WE COULD, WE COULD TAKE CARE OF IT, BUT, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING ANYTHING.
I JUST WANNA KNOW, DO YOU HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY WITHIN OUR BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO OFFER MORE SERVICE IF THE DEMAND AND INTEREST IS THERE? RIGHT.
SO NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY WITHIN OUR BUDGET, BUT WITHIN THE SERVICE ITSELF.
SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO EXTEND THESE HOURS WITHOUT INCURRING ADDITIONAL COSTS.
THE WAY WE DID THAT IS WE HAVE SO MANY BUS BUSES ALLOCATED TO THIS SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
WE WERE ABLE TAKE SOME BUSES IN THE MORNING AND SHIFT THEM TO THE EVENING BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A LOW DEMAND IN THE MORNING.
AND THAT'S, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR PROVIDER MV TRANSIT ON LOOKING AT THOSE ADJUSTMENTS WITH THE SERVICE.
WE DON'T NEED ALL THE VEHICLES AT ONE TIME.
SO WE CAN KIND OF SHIFT THAT BASED ON DEMAND FOR US TO SPREAD THAT OUT TO, TO EFFICIENTLY OPERATE THE SERVICES.
AMBER, YOU HAD MENTIONED, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE EXTENDED HOURS.
YOU HAD MENTIONED NEW STAFF, BUT THEN THAT WAS MITIGATED A LITTLE BIT HERE WITH THE APPROACH.
WE JUST HEARD ABOUT, YOU SAID MARKETING AND OUTREACH, YOU TALKED ABOUT SDRS.
WHERE IS COVERING THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE COVERAGE SIT IN YOUR AGENDA YET? I THINK ONE OF THOSE WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND AS I GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE SERVICE AREA, I THINK WE DISCUSSED THIS DURING THE BUDGET WORK SESSION.
I THINK WHEN, IF THOSE AREAS ARE IDENTIFIED, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH CURRENT USAGE.
I THINK WE USED A PRETTY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH IN TERMS OF WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE DEMAND WAS WHEN WE WERE ROLLING OUT THE SERVICES.
UH, WHILE WE TRY TO MAKE SERVICE ADJUSTMENTS DURING DIFFERENT, LIKE WE DON'T WANNA DO ONE EACH MONTH.
WE'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IF THERE WERE OTHER POSSIBILITIES FOR SERVICE AND STRATEGIZE ON WHEN WE'D MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS.
POSSIBLY ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR.
AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION, FEEL FREE TO TAKE ON IF YOU'RE HAVE MORE ON YOUR SLIDE HERE, BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE PERCENT OF SHARED RIDES.
YOU DEFINE THAT AS TWO OR MORE PASSENGERS, CAN TWO PEOPLE BOARD AT THE SAME TIME FROM THE SAME HOUSE AND BE CONSIDERED A SHARED RIDE? YES.
IS THERE A WAY TO COUNT HOW MANY IS SHARED RIDES ARE CAR OFF THE ROAD SHARED RIDES, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S DIFFERENT PEOPLE RIDING AT THE SAME TIME? DIFFERENT, LIKE WE PICK UP DIFFERENT PEOPLE, WE'RE PICKING THEM UP TOGETHER, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT'S THAT TWO PEOPLE BOARDING FROM THE SAME LOCATION MAY NOT.
AND IF THEY'RE GOING THE SAME NECESSARILY BE A, THEY WOULD'VE TAKEN ONE CAR IF THE SHUTTLE WASN'T THERE.
YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW I'M ABLE TO UTILIZE, LOOKING AT JUST PARTICULAR TRIP DATA, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT THOSE TRIPS WERE TO CERTAIN DESTINATIONS.
BUT I, I'LL, I'LL, I CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION DEPENDING ON IF I CAN GET THAT WITH OUR SOFTWARE VICE MAYOR.
SO HOW DO WE JUDGE WHETHER 11,673 PASSENGERS IS MEETING EXPECTATIONS LOWER, HIGHER? DO WE HAVE ANY NUMBERS THAT WE'VE TARGETED THAT WE CONSIDER TO BE, YOU KNOW, HITTING THE, HITTING IT OUT OF THE BALLPARK OR, AND I LIKE TO LOOK AT IT AT PASSENGERS PER HOUR AND WE HAVEN'T SET THOSE STANDARDS, I BELIEVE, AND I WOULD'VE TO GO BACK TO WHEN THIS SERVICE WAS INITIALLY STARTED.
SO WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY SET A BASELINE FOR THAT YET.
WE'RE STILL SORT OF ESTABLISHING THAT AT THIS TIME.
BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT, UM, WHERE WE WANT TO BE.
I THINK IN THE SPRINGTIME WE WERE, WE WERE IN LINE WITH WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS WERE, UH, OUR DESIRES FOR DEMAND FOR THE SYSTEM, BUT WE'RE STILL WANTING TO INCREASE RIDERSHIP, UM, TO MAKE THAT WHAT WE HAD IN THE SPRINGTIME MORE OF A NORM VERSUS THAT BEING A PEAK FOR THE SYSTEM.
YOU LOOK AT IT LIKE PASSENGERS PER HOUR OR LIKE THE COST PER TRIP.
AND THAT, THAT HAS CHANGED, UH, BASED ON THE MONTHLY RIDERSHIP.
AND IN MARCH WE WERE, UH, IT WAS DEFINITELY BETTER THAN WHEN WE WERE ONLY PROVIDING LIKE 700 TRIPS IN A MONTH WITH THE INITIAL MONTH THAT WE STARTED.
WELL, WHEN WE WERE RIDING THE, THE CONNECT TO GO UP TO, UH, THE RIBBON CUTTING.
TO, UH, THE OTHER DAY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, WITH THE, WHAT WAS HE, THE VICE PRESIDENT OF, OF MV? HE WAS OUR GENERAL MANAGER.
AND HE WAS RELAYING SOME ANECDOTAL INFORMATION ABOUT RESIDENTS.
AND WHAT HE WAS SAYING WAS THAT SOME RESIDENTS HAVE SOLD THEIR VEHICLES AND THEY'VE JUST USED THE SHUTTLE TO GET AROUND TOWN, OR THEY'VE PUT THEIR VEHICLES IN THE GARAGE AND THEY'RE JUST USING THE SHUTTLE AND HOW EXCITED THEY
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WERE AND THEIR REGULARS, YOU KNOW, THEY GO ON CERTAIN DAYS EVERY WEEK AND IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO, AND SO I SAID, WELL, THEY SHOULD BE OUR SPOKESPEOPLE AND TALK TO OTHER FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE AND WHY IT'S SO BENEFICIAL TO THEM.BUT WHEN WE DO THE DEEP DIVE, YOU'LL LEARN THAT WE ARE VERY DATA DRIVEN UP HERE.
SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE RESIDENTS VERSUS VISITORS AND WHAT TIMES OF THE DAY ARE BUSIEST, YOU KNOW, TO UNDERSTAND WHO'S USING THE SERVICE AND WHEN THEY'RE USING IT, AND HOW CLOSELY IT'S TIED TO THE SHUTTLE GOING TO THE TRAIL HEADS VERSUS GOING AROUND TOWN.
THOUGH I THINK ALL OF US WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT INFORMATION.
I PLAN TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TIMES A DAY IS REALLY EASY TO EXTRAPOLATE FROM THE DATA.
UH, SOMETIMES TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO OUR RESIDENTS AND WHO ARE IN THE, IN THE SHORT TERM RENTALS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT.
BUT WE DO KNOW A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS CALL IN, SO, UH, OUR DISPATCH AND OUR OPERATORS KNOW THEM BY NAME.
WE'LL ALSO LOOK AT OUR, OUR DESTINATIONS, OUR ORIGINATIONS AND DESTINATIONS SO THAT YOU CAN GET A GOOD LOOK ON WHO'S WHERE WE'RE PROVIDING THE SERVICE TO, WHERE AND FROM.
SO HOPEFULLY IT'LL HELP AND IT'LL PAINT A BIGGER PICTURE OF THE SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED.
CAN I TAG ON OH, TAG ON? SURE.
TAGGING ON TAGGING ON AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT, GO AHEAD.
SO ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT THE VICE MAYOR'S TALKING ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING LIKE WHEN THESE RIDES ARE TAKING PLACE AND BEING ABLE TO RELATE THAT TO THE DASHBOARD FROM KIMLEY HORN AND BEING ABLE TO, TO SHOW LIKE, GEE, YOU KNOW, IF IF WE'RE TAKING OFF EVEN A FEW PERCENT OF CARS AT PEAK TRAVEL TIMES, THEN WE'RE REALLY GETTING VALUE FOR THIS BECAUSE IT'S THAT LAST FEW PERCENT OF CARS THAT CAUSE THE MOST PAIN.
SO IT WOULD BE GREAT TO BE ABLE TO TIE ALL OF THAT TOGETHER AND SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S MAKING AN IMPACT.
BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE SAY, OH, WELL THE NUMBERS AREN'T THAT BIG AS FAR AS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE UTILIZING EITHER THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE OR TRANSIT CONNECT, BUT TO, UH, SHUTTLE CONNECT.
UH, BUT TO, UH, TO TAKE OFF JUST THOSE LAST FEW PERCENTAGE POINTS OF TRAFFIC ACTUALLY IS REALLY SIGNIFICANT.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TOOTING OUR HORN TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE.
AND I THINK WE'VE STARTED THAT PROCESS WITH KIMLEY HORN.
WE HAVEN'T POPULATED THE DATA YET, BUT WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION, SO I UNDERSTAND IT.
IS IT TAKING ON, 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T GONE YET.
I, I HAVEN'T GONE GONE YET EITHER.
UM, SO YES, I'M TAGGING ON, ON THE TAGGING ON, UM, TRYING TO FORMULATE MY THOUGHTS AND, AND TO OCCUR ON EITHER SIDE OF ME, STARTING ON MY RIGHT SIDE, HOW MANY OF OUR TRIPS GO THROUGH THE Y SO WHEN WE START TO TALK ABOUT IMPACTING TRAFFIC, IT'S THE WHY THAT WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW.
LIKE, IF WE DON'T EVER TAKE THE CONNECT THROUGH THE Y THEN I'M, I'M CON I WOULD BE CONCERNED THAT THE NUMBERS WE SEE ARE NOT AS IMPACTFUL AS WE THINK THEY ARE, JUST BY LOOKING AT THE NUMBER.
BUT IF THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE Y IF THEY'RE GOING INTO UPTOWN, IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, FROM WEST EDON, IF THEY'RE GOING FROM THAT OTHER DIRECTION, IF THEY'RE GOING OUT TOWARDS, WE DON'T EVEN GO AS FAR AS CHAPEL.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU START TO LOOK AT THAT DEMAND, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHERE WE HAVE OUR BIGGEST ISSUE, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS THE WHY.
IT MAY BE FOREVER, BUT THAT TO ME WOULD BE PRETTY IMPORTANT TO KNOW.
SO I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, AS OF THIS WEEK, FOLKS THAT GO INTO GOOGLE NOW AND PUT IN A TRIP ARE BEING DIRECTED THROUGH FOREST ROAD.
SO TO YOUR POINT, WE WANNA LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE Y AS WELL AS WHAT WOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH THE Y HAD FOREST ROAD NOT BEEN.
YEAH, BUT THAT BRINGS UP A DIFFERENT POINT, RIGHT? SO THAT BRINGS UP THE POINT OF ARE YOU GOING TO EVENTUALLY END UP BLOCKING ON FOREST ROAD BECAUSE YOU HAVE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE ALLOWED SOME OTHER SYSTEM TO SAY, ALWAYS TAKE THE BYPASS AND PRETTY SOON THE BYPASS IS THE WAY EVERYBODY GOES.
AND SO SUDDENLY WE'RE SLOWING DOWN WHEN YOU GET TO THE TOP OF FOREST ROAD OR THE BOTTOM, WHICHEVER DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING IN.
SO TO ME, THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BE EQUALLY IMPORTANT.
AND I'M SURE KIMBERLY HORN IS WELL AWARE AND WELL ON IT, BUT, UM, TAKING
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THE SHUTTLE THROUGH THERE AS THAT TRAFFIC DEMAND INCREASES BECOMES AN ESSENCE AN ALTERNATE WHY.SO JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT EITHER OF THOSE DIRECTIONS IS GOOD TO KNOW, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND ACTUALLY JUST THIS WEEK WE STARTED COLLECTING VOLUME DATA ON FOREST ROAD FOR THE FIRST TIME AS WELL, SO WE'LL, WE'LL KNOW IF WE'RE TOO SUCCESSFUL
OR WHATEVER SUCCESSFUL ENOUGH MEANS.
UM, SO, UM, MY LEFT SIDE, ONE OF TAG ONS IS, UM, DO WE KNOW ANYTHING FROM RESIDENTS REGARDING WHY THEY ARE OR ARE NOT, UH, USING THE, THE CONNECT, THE ON DEMAND? AND I ASK THAT BECAUSE OF THE LONG, THE ONLY GOING UNTIL EIGHT 30, IF PEOPLE ARE USING THIS OR WANTING TO USE THIS SO THEY CAN GO OUT TO THE BAR, UM, YOU KNOW, THEN EIGHT 30 MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TIME, OR IF THEY'RE HAVING DINNER AND DINNER IS SEATING AT EIGHT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE THE THE CONNECT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET HOME.
SO FIRST TO YOUR MARKETING POINT, DO THEY, DO THEY EVEN KNOW THAT THROUGH THE END OF JUNE THEY CAN DO THIS? WHAT IS IT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO AS RESIDENTS? AND I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE STR VERSUS RESIDENT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT A RESIDENTIAL ESTABLISHMENT YOU GO TO IS ACTUALLY A SHORT-TERM RENTAL VERSUS A PERMANENT RESIDENT OR A PART-TIME RESIDENT.
AND I GET THAT, BUT IN SOME WAYS, UM, I THINK IT DOESN'T MATTER.
BECAUSE IF WE CAN GET PEOPLE WHO ARE IN SHORT TERM RENTALS TO NOT DRIVE THEIR CARS, THAT'S STILL A CAR NOT ON THE ROAD.
UM, AND SO IF THEY'RE DOING THIS OR NOT USING IT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET WHERE THEY WANT TO GO HOME FROM, THEN I THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE AND, AND, AND SHOULD BE WEIGHED IN.
BUT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT RESIDENTS ARE TRYING TO DO AND UM, WHY THEY'RE NOT USING THE FACILITY, WHICH COULD JUST BE IGNORANCE, I THINK WOULD BE, UM, REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE WE WOULD SAY ANYTHING AROUND, DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THE SERVICE OR CHANGE THE TIMES ON THE SERVICE OR WHATEVER, WHAT ARE THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY? SO, UM, THOSE WERE MY TAG ONS.
YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT EXPANDING THE SERVICE AREA.
IF WE TARGETED THOSE AREAS, OR, AND I'M PARAPHRASING, YOU MAY HAVE SAID SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
UH, THE, THERE'S VERY SPECIFIC AREAS THAT ARE NOT COVERED.
THE CHAPEL, UH, AND I BELIEVE IN PETE'S NEIGHBORHOOD, HE'S OFF BY A BLOCK.
RIGHT? IS IT JUST ONE BLOCK OUT OF THE SERVICE AREA? TWO.
WELL, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE GOOD.
WHICH NEIGHBORHOOD? WHAT'S THAT? WHICH NEIGHBORHOOD DID YOU SAY? NORTH OF SANBORN.
AND THE EVERYTHING SOUTH OF POCO DIABLO OR WHATEVER IT'S GONNA BE CALLED NOW WITH THE NEW NAME.
BUT, UM, THERE'S NO SERVICE WHATSOEVER AND I UNDERSTAND WHY, BUT WE HAVE A LARGE, UH, GROUP OF ELDER PEOPLE THAT COULD USE THE SERVICE AS MUCH AS EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO IT WOULD BE NICE WITHIN A YEAR OR TWO IF WE COULD EXPAND THAT SERVICE.
I'M TRYING TO BE, YOU KNOW, GIVE SOME EXPECTATION THERE.
UH, FOR THE FUTURE WE WILL LOOK AT THAT.
AND I KNOW, UM, WE ALSO ARE COLLECTING DATA FROM JUST OUR DISPATCH, UH, WHEN THEY'RE GETTING AND RECEIVING CALLS ON DO YOU SERVE X LOCATION? AND IN TERMS OF KIND OF A WAY TO LOOK AT WHAT THE TRIP PURPOSES ARE AND, UH, FEEDBACK ON THE TRIPS THAT WE'RE SEEING BEING PROVIDED.
OUR APP PROVIDES FEEDBACK AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, UH, REACHING OUT TO OUR SOFTWARE PROVIDER AND SENDING OUT SOME RANDOM SURVEYS AND, UH, ASKING THEM THESE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
AND THEN FOR THE TIMEFRAME, UH, EVENING SERVICE UNTIL EIGHT 30, DO YOU KNOW THE DATA FOR THAT? UH, ARE THOSE PEOPLE GOING UP TO TILL EIGHT 30? ARE THEY GOING TO OUR RESTAURANTS? ARE THEY GOING TO OUR ART GALLERIES? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY GOING TO TRAILHEAD OR COMING BACK FROM A TRAILHEAD? WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF RESTAURANT USE.
AT LEAST WE WERE IN MARCH AND APRIL, AND, UH, I'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, UH, WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR IN MAY.
BUT WE CAN, WE CAN PROVIDE ALL THAT ISOLATE THE DATA ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING, WHAT THE TRIP PURPOSES ARE FOR THE EVENING SERVICE, EVEN IN THE MORNINGS TOO.
WE COULD ISOLATE IT BY THOSE TIME OF DAYS.
I KNOW THAT HILLSIDE, THAT, YOU KNOW WHERE THE HILLSIDE IS ALREADY, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UH, THEY WOULD, THEY'RE CHALLENGED BY NOT HAVING ENOUGH PARKING.
AND IT WOULD BE GOOD IF OUR RESIDENTS KNEW THAT THEY COULD TAKE THE SHUTTLE TO, TO HILLSIDE AND IT'S THREE RESTAURANTS THERE.
ANY, ANYTHING ELSE? OH, DEREK, ARE THE SHUTTLES EQUIPPED WITH AEDS?
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THE, OOH, THE FIBRILLATED A EDI DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE.BUT IT'S A, BUT IT'S A GOOD, NO, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION TO ASK.
IS THAT PART OF THE STANDARD FOR THE I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY ARE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY ARE IN THE TRANSIT INDUSTRY.
I THINK THE, THE, THERE'S USUALLY A KNOWLEDGE OF WHERE THE ADDS ARE FOR THE OPERATORS IN CASE ONE IS NEEDED.
UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS ON BOARD EACH VEHICLE.
I MEAN, I EXPECT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WERE HAULING AROUND ARE SENIORS.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY BY THAT?
I DON'T HOW MANY, HOW MANY SHUTTLES DO WE HAVE? HOW MANY AEDS WOULD WE HAVE TO BUY? AND YOU HAVE FIVE.
SO FIVE AEDS AND TRAIN THE DRIVERS HOW TO USE THEM.
YOU WANT OXYGEN? UH, EPIPENS, UH, I WAS GONNA ACTUALLY, I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT SMALL MINI PHARMACY.
LIKE WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT NARCAN.
HOPEFULLY OUR RESIDENTS, OUR, UH, ELDER RESIDENTS AREN'T IN NEED OF THAT.
WHERE ARE YOU DRAWING THE LINE? YOU KEEP ON SAYING THE ELDER.
BASICALLY ANYONE OLDER THAN ME.
BUT SERIOUSLY, I, I DO, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SOME OF THESE BASIC THINGS ON HAND.
SO PARTICULARLY THE, I SUSPECT WE'RE HAULING A VULNERABLE POPULATION AROUND ADDRESS THAT.
ANDY, WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS WE'LL CHECK IN WITH OUR VENDOR AND SEE WHAT THEY RECOMMEND.
YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, THEY, THEY OPERATE SYSTEMS ACROSS THE NATION.
SO IF WE'RE NOT UP TO INDUSTRY STANDARD, WE WANT TO KNOW THAT AND ADDRESS IT.
AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION ON WHAT, WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PROVIDING AND WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL AMENITIES SUCH AS THAT IN TERMS OF EMERGENCY SERVICES TO, TO ANSWER COUNCILLOR FOLTZ, I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE HAVE A TRIAGE CENTER IN EACH OF THE SHUTTLES, BUT JUST SOME OF THE BASICS.
UH, TO POINT OUT WHAT IS PROBABLY THE OBVIOUS TO YOU GUYS, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT BEFORE WE HAVE THE DETAILED STUDY SESSION, BUT I'M ASSUMING YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE STR DATABASE AND YOU COULD CROSS MATCH, PICK UP AND DROP OFF REFERENCES.
AND THAT MIGHT BE A REALLY GOOD WAY TO DIG INTO WHAT THE STR VERSUS RESIDENT USAGE IS.
WE'VE HAD SOME INITIAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL OF THE TRIP DATA, WHICH HAS THE ORIGIN AND DESTINATION, AND WE CAN, I BELIEVE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL DATABASE IS UP TO DATE, SO WE COULD UTILIZE THAT.
ARE WE GOOD? HOW LABOR INTENSIVE WOULD THAT BE?
THAT THAT IS, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW YET.
WE'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
HAVE WE MENTIONED YET THAT WE'RE COMING BACK NEXT MONTH FOR THE DEEP DIVE? THAT OKAY.
WELL, AND I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS.
I TOO AM STILL GETTING ACCLIMATED WITH THE SERVICES AND LOOKING AT THE DATA, UH, IN GREATER DETAIL.
AND I'VE BEEN HERE THREE MONTHS NOW, SO, UH, THIS IS ALL JUST GREAT INFORMATION.
I'M LOOKING AT IT, UH, BASED ON SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS, SO I, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
UM, IN ADDITION TO OUR EXISTING SERVICES, WE'RE ALSO PLANNING FOR OUR, OUR FUTURE MOBILITY, UH, OPTIONS HERE IN SEDONA.
THE UPTOWN FEASIBILITY OR CIRCULATOR FEASIBILITY STUDY IS A PLANNING EFFORT TO SUPPORT OUR BROADER PARKING GOALS AND OUR, OUR UPTOWN ACCESS GOALS.
THE PURPOSE IS TO EVALUATE A FIXED DROUGHT CIRCULAR THAT WOULD CONNECT THE NEW PARKING GARAGE WITH DESTINATIONS LIKE UPTOWN TILLOCK AND THE HILLSIDE SHOPPING CENTER.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH A PREFERRED VENDOR WHO WILL CARRY OUT THE STUDY.
THE TENTATIVE KICKOFF WOULD BE IN JUNE, AND A FINAL REPORT WOULD BE IN DECEMBER.
AT THE END OF DECEMBER, OR BEGINNING OF 2026.
AMBER IS, UM, HO HOW'S HOSE GONNA BE INCLUDED AFTER HILLSIDE? I, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
ARE YOU ASKING IF IT'LL HAVE A STOP SPECIFICALLY? I DON'T THINK WE KNOW THAT YET.
IT'D BE, IT'LL BE PART, BUT, BUT DURING THE STUDY, IF IT CAN BE SOME WAY, BECAUSE I SPOKE TO A LOT OF THE GALLERY OWNERS THERE, AND THEY REALLY ARE VERY CHALLENGED FOR PARKING.
AND, UH, THEY WERE SAYING THAT THEY WOULD LOVE TO BE INCLUDED IN SOME WAY.
WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING IN BETWEEN HILLSIDE AND ZOS OR JUST ONE EXTRA STOP.
UH, AS LONG AS IT'S SAFE AND OFF THE ROAD, I THINK THAT THEY WOULD BE APPRECIATIVE.
WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT STUDY.
THEY WILL BE TAKING A LOOK AT OUR, OUR DATA FROM EVEN CONNECT
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TO THE VERDE SHUTTLE AND, AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING.AND THEY'LL, I THEY'LL IDENTIFY SOME OF THOSE STOPS AND GIVE US DIFFERENT ALIGNMENTS AND DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO LOOK AT AS LONG AS IT'S INCLUDED IN THE STUDY.
I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE IT PART OF PETE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YES, MA'AM.
I WOULD HOPE THAT IN THE CIRCULATOR STUDY WE'D HAVE SOME, UH, DETAIL ABOUT PAST EFFORTS AND WHAT WAS GOOD OR NOT GOOD ABOUT 'EM AND WHY THEY FAILED.
WHAT WE NEED TO LEARN FROM HISTORY ON THIS TOPIC.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE THE DISCUSSION OF THE ROAD RUNNER CIRCULATOR SERVICE THAT WAS, UM, DISCONTINUED IN 2011, WHICH CONNECTED AREAS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, SUCH AS UPTOWN AND HILLSIDE, UH, LOOKED LIKE IT FACED SOME CHALLENGES WITH UNMET RIDERSHIP AS WELL AS JUST BROADER FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS.
'CAUSE IT WAS FOLLOWING THAT ECONOMIC DOWNTURN.
UH, BARBARA LAST NIGHT SHOWED US THE, THE CHART THAT SHOWED THE, THE SPENDING AND WHERE SERVICES WERE CUT.
SO DUE TO THE OUTCOME OF THAT, I THINK THE SERVICE WAS ELIMINATED.
I THINK WE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE NIMBLE AND WE HAVE STAFF SUPPORT NOW OF THE SERVICE AND WE'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT PERFORMANCE METRICS.
BUT ALL OF THIS FROM THIS STUDY WILL BE DATA DRIVEN AND WILL HELP US MAKE NEAR TERM AND LONG TERM DECISIONS.
SO I'M GONNA TAG ON HERE AS WELL.
I KNOW I'VE SAID THIS TO THE CITY MANAGERS, BUT AS PART OF YOUR FEASIBILITY STUDY, UM, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED OR WOULD YOU CONSIDER LOOKING TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD DO THIS VIA PARTNERSHIP SO THAT THERE MIGHT BE A SERVICE THAT ALREADY EXISTS OUT THERE IN THE WORLD THAT DOES THIS FOR A LIVING, SO TO SPEAK, AND, UM, THEREFORE MIGHT BE WILLING TO COME INTO SEDONA AND PROVIDE THIS KIND OF CIRCULATOR SERVICE, WHICH MAY ALSO THEN GO OUT TO THE RESORTS AND BRING THE RESORT PEOPLE IN SO FORTH AND SO ON? 'CAUSE THESE, THESE COMPANIES DO EXIST.
WE ALSO POTENTIALLY HAVE PEOPLE IN TOWN WHO HAVE, UM, VEHICLES THAT COULD BE ALSO DRAFTED INTO THIS KIND OF A SERVICE.
AND THEY MAY ALSO BE INTERESTED IN THIS FROM, UM, A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE OF BRINGING, TAKING ON THE CIRCULATOR SERVICE INSTEAD OF THE CITY DOING IT DIRECTLY THEMSELVES.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS MIGHT CONSIDER SORT OF INVESTIGATING AS WELL AS PART OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WE'LL GO THROUGH.
I THINK THOSE SORTS OF, UH, OPPORTUNITIES ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
YEAH, I THINK FOR, FOR CERTAIN THE SCOPE IS TO LOOK AT OUR EXISTING SERVICES, AVAILABLE PROVIDERS AND TO PROVIDE, UH, TWO TO THREE, I I BELIEVE UP TO THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
AND WE DO, THEY'LL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.
UH, THE ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT THOUGH IS IF THERE IS FEDERAL FUNDS, UH, THAT WILL BE COMMITTED TO THIS OR THAT WE APPLY FOR, IT WILL BE A LIKELY SOMETHING THAT WE WILL HAVE TO PUT A SOLICITATION OUT AND IT WILL BE A COMPETITIVE BID, LIKELY LIKE OUR SERVICE WITH MV.
MELISSA, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT TO ME? WHO YOU THINK THESE SERVICE PROVIDER? I MEAN, WELL, I'M TRYING NOT TO MENTION SPECIFIC COMPANIES IN THIS CONVERSATION, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN, I THERE ARE, THERE ARE SERVICES THAT, UM, EXIST, UM, IN OTHER CITIES WHERE THEY PROVIDE A SERVICE THAT ALLOWS AN INDIVIDUAL TO PAY FOR A ONE DAY TICKET, FOR INSTANCE, AND THEY CAN GET ON AND OFF, UM, AT ANY POINTS IN, AROUND THAT CITY BASED ON WHATEVER THOSE POINTS ARE THAT ARE SET UP.
AND, UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, A COMPANY IN TOWN THAT HAS THE CAPABILITY OF DOING THE SAME THING, SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO SEE IT AS A, A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY.
YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S, I'M NOT ASKING VERY DETAILED, BUT YEAH, I'M NOT ASKING FOR NAMES.
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK WE WOULD NOT WANNA LIMIT ANY OF OUR OPTIONS ON THE DELIVERY OR HOW SERVICES DELIVERED.
SO ALL THINGS WE WOULDN'T WANT TO EXCLUDE ANY, ANY OF THAT.
WE'D WANNA TAKE ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND LASTLY, UH, TO SUPPORT THESE CURRENT AND FUTURE SERVICES, UH, THERE IS LIKELY A NEED TO BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE TO, TO KEEP PACE.
UH, THE TRANSIT MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS CENTER WILL LIKELY BE PROJECTED TO BE ONE OF OUR MOST IMPORTANT LONG-TERM CAPITAL PROJECTS.
UH, THIS FACILITY WILL CENTRALIZE OUR OPERATIONS, MAINTENANCE AND ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY FRAGMENTED BETWEEN, UH, MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.
WE HAVE OUR TEMPORARY SPACE IN A FORMER RESTAURANT WHERE OUR OPS IS LOCATED RIGHT NOW, JUST ACROSS, OVER AT THE PROPERTY.
UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY, UH, AT CAPACITY AT THAT, THAT FACILITY.
IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR US TO ADD ADDITIONAL VEHICLES ONTO THERE.
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12 THIRD PARTY MAINTENANCE, UH, CONTRACTORS WITHIN THE REGION.UH, OUR KEY, WHAT WAS THAT? NU WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER? ABOUT 12 WOW.
BETWEEN COTTONWOOD PRESCOTT AND HERE AND IN THE AREA.
BETWEEN OUR WARRANTY PROVIDERS AS WELL AS JUST OUR SERVICE PROVIDERS.
DOES YOUR WARRANTY COMPANIES COME UP HERE TO SERVICE? UH, BELIEVE WE'RE IN THE, WE FINALLY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND SOMEONE IN COTTONWOOD THAT COULD DO SOME OF THE WARRANTY WORK.
IT'S HARD BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S A FORD ISSUE THAT YOU CAN GO TO A FORD SHOP, BUT OTHER TIMES DUE TO THE HOW THEY'RE CONSTRUCTED THEN MANUFACTURING WITH THE FIBERGLASS BODIES, YOU NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE ACTUAL MANUFACTURER PROVIDE THAT WARRANTY.
AND BEFORE IT WAS EITHER IN PHOENIX OR PRESCOTT, AND NOW I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOMEONE IN COTTONWOOD THAT CAN DO THAT.
WHICH IS, WHICH IS A REAL POSITIVE THING FOR US.
SO IT JUST DECREASES OUR TRAVEL TIME AND STAFF TIME AND THE TURNAROUND TIME.
AND THE ABILITY TO KEEP VEHICLES IN SERVICE VERSUS OUTTA SERVICE WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE GREAT LENGTHS TO GO TO FOR MAINTENANCE.
AND THIS ONE, UH, AMBER, I BELIEVE THIS COUNCIL IN THE PAST HAS EXPRESSED SOME INTEREST THAT WE DO SOME OUTREACH REGIONALLY TO OTHER POTENTIAL USERS AND SEE IF WE CAN FORM SOME PARTNERSHIPS HERE.
HAS THAT WORK BEGUN? UH, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD SOME INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH COTTONWOOD AREA TRANSIT AND VALLEY VERDE CAREGIVERS, AND THEY HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN US, IF THIS FACILITY WERE TO BE CONSTRUCTED FOR THAT, FOR US TO DO THEIR MAINTENANCE.
ARE WE SEEKING DESIGN INPUT IDEAS FROM OTHERS? UH, YES.
WE ARE, WE'RE IN THE INITIAL, AS IN THE MILESTONES.
WE'RE IN KIND OF THAT SPACE PROGRAMMING AND PRELIMINARY CONCEPT DESIGN STAGES.
AND WE HAVE PROVIDED, WE'RE STILL KIND OF IN THE, THE EARLY STAGES OF THAT.
SO AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION, WE WILL PROVIDE THAT TO OUR PARTNERS AND IT PROVIDES US OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO SEEK OTHER PARTNERSHIPS AS WELL FOR THIS TO, TO SOLIDIFY.
UH, JUST TO ADD, UH, COUNCILMAN PETE, UH, WE, WE ARE INVITING THEM TO OUR DESIGN REVIEW KICKOFF MEETINGS WITH THE, THE CONSULTANT.
WHEN WE HAD OUR INITIAL KICKOFF, UH, THEY WERE ALL AT THE TABLE AND, UH, PROVIDED SOME INPUT.
UH, ANOTHER KEY THING TO THIS IS CONSTRUCTION WILL BE PHASED BASED ON AVAILABLE GRANT FUNDING.
UH, WE'RE ACTIVELY PURSUING AND IDENTIFYING FEDERAL SOURCES SUCH AS FTA SECTION 53 39, WHICH IS BUS AND BUS FACILITY FUNDING.
AND THERE'S OTHER DOT FUNDINGS, UH, SUCH AS, I THINK FLAP, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT ACRONYM STANDS FOR.
FEDERAL, FEDERAL, FEDERAL LANDS ACCESS, ACCESS PROGRAM PLANNING OR PROGRAM
AND WE'RE ALSO IDENTIFYING OTHER REGIONAL PARTNERSHIPS FOR THIS FACILITY.
I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT THIS FACILITY IS NOT JUST A BUS STORAGE FACILITY, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN ESSENTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO HELP US SUPPORT AND MAINTAIN RELIABLE AND EFFICIENT TRANSIT OPERATIONS IN SEDONA AND LIKELY ALLOW US TO, UH, CONTINUE TO GROW OUR PARTNERSHIPS WITHIN THE REGION.
I THINK, I THINK WE, OH, YOU'RE DONE.
QUESTIONS JUST TO LET, AND WE'LL EXPLORE MORE ABOUT THIS FACILITY AND OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE END OF JUNE AT OUR WORK SESSION.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT I'VE PROVIDED AS OUR UPDATE TODAY? I'M JUST LOOKING AT PETE TO MAKE SURE OFF
WE ARE EXCITED THAT THIS IS THE FIRST AND MANY, UH, SIM TRANSIT UPDATES WE'LL HAVE WITH AMBER.
YOU'VE DONE IT LIKE YOU WERE DOING IT FOR FIVE YEARS.
AND WE'RE REALLY FORTUNATE TO HAVE ROBERT AND AMBER TO FOLLOW, TO CARRY THIS PROGRAM FORWARD.
WE CAN CONTINUE ON, UM, RIGHT INTO PARKING.
WE HAVE LANCE LONGWAY LONGWAY, WHO'S BEEN HERE, AND, UH, NATASHA FROM ATHENS CONSULTING.
SHE HAD TO BE A PINCH HITTER FOR US TODAY.
UH, HEATHER, WHO WAS GONNA BE COMING IN, GOT ILL.
SO THE LAST MINUTE, NATASHA SAID I'LL BE THERE.
SO I GOT THE FIRST COUPLE SLIDES.
UM, JUST THE, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE SO HAPPY TO HAVE
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ATHENA CONSULTANTS HELPING US WITH, UH, DEEP DIVES INTO TALKING WITH ANYTHING FROM A PROPERTY OWNER TO SOMEBODY THAT WORKS IN UPTOWN.UM, THE PRINCIPALS, OBVIOUSLY THE PARKING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, THE RESIDENT PARKING HELP FACILITATE, UH, SOME TYPE OF EMPLOYEE PROGRAM.
UH, THE FEE STRUCTURE AND THEN THE PARKING CONSOLIDATION THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT ON THERE.
I THINK THE, THE OPENING OF FOREST ROAD, WE'RE GONNA SEE DIFFERENCE IN THE TRAFFIC AND MAYBE EVEN PARKING HABITS.
I'VE TALKED TO A FEW OF THE, UH, PINK JEEP DRIVERS.
UM, ANYTIME THEY'RE HEADING WEST, THEY'RE USING FOREST.
SO THAT'S AT LEAST ONE MORE VEHICLE OUT OF THE Y UH, WE HAVE THE PARKING GARAGE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT TECHNOLOGY AND, AND THE TRENDS THAT, THAT IT'S BRINGING.
UM, I THINK WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT WAYS OF BEING ABLE TO MONITOR PARKING, WHETHER IT'S EACH STALL, A LOOP COUNTER THAT THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS DO THE RIGHT JOB OR THE PUCKS IN, IN THE GROUND THAT TELL YOU THE OCCUPANCY, UM, WAY FINDING.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT PARK ONCE AND WITH WHAT AMBER'S DOING.
I THINK IT, IT'LL PAY OFF, ESPECIALLY ONCE THE GARAGE IS OPEN, WE CAN USE THE TRANSIT TO CIRCULATE AROUND UPTOWN AND TO LOCKA AND HILLSIDE.
UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS WE LOOK AT TECHNOLOGY, WE CAN MERGE EVERYTHING TOGETHER IN PARKING AND TRANSIT SO THAT WE GOT JUST ONE PLACE WHERE YOU CAN OPEN IT UP AND EITHER YOU CAN GET A RIDE ON A BUS OR YOU CAN FIND A PLACE TO PARK YOUR CAR.
AND THEN, UH, JUST BRINGING UP CITYWIDE PUBLIC PARKING EVALUATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S A TRAILHEAD THAT'S INSIDE THE CITY OR SOMEPLACE THAT WE JUST SEE SIGNIFICANT, UH, ISSUES WITH TOO MANY PEOPLE TRYING TO PARK.
WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE CONSULTANT AND, UH, THANK YOU.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS.
I AM THE FOUNDER AND MANAGING PARTNER OF ATHENA PARTNERS STRATEGY GROUP.
UH, JUST A QUICK LITTLE BACKGROUND ABOUT WHAT MAKES US QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT PARKING.
UM, I'VE BEEN DOING PARKING AND TECHNOLOGY FOR OVER 20 YEARS, AS WELL AS OUR OTHER EMPLOYEES HAVE ALL BEEN IN PARKING TECHNOLOGY, UM, ACROSS UNIVERSITIES, CITIES, UM, FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
SO JUST WANNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE QUICK SNAPSHOT ABOUT WHO ATHENA IS.
WE ARE SUPER EXCITED TO BE WORKING WITH THE CITY.
UM, EVERY TIME I TELL SOMEBODY, OH, I'M GOING TO SEDONA, I HAVE SOME WORK THERE, NOBODY FEEL SORRY FOR ME,
NOBODY'S SAID A SINGLE WORD ABOUT WHAT IT WAS LIKE, EXCITED.
BUT WHEN I SAY SEDONA, OH, WE DON'T FEEL BAD FOR YOU.
SO ANYWAY, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN HERE A COUPLE TIMES NOW FOR THIS PROJECT I'VE BEEN PREVIOUSLY, BUT IT'S SUCH A GREAT, GREAT TOWN AND CITY TO BE A PART OF.
UM, WE'RE GONNA GO INTO A LITTLE BIT WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR AND WHAT THE PLANS ARE MOVING FORWARD.
UH, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ON BOARD VERY LONG, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
SO, UM, THE QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE MAY HAVE TO BE, UH, DEFERRED TO OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH WILL PROBABLY BE IN ABOUT THREE MONTHS.
WE'LL HAVE A LOT MORE TO SHARE WITH YOU ON THE DATA THAT WE'VE COLLECTED.
UM, I HEARD YOU SAY YOU'RE DATA DRIVEN.
WE'RE GONNA BOMBARD YOU WITH SO MUCH DATA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT, BUT THAT'S HOW WE MAKE GOOD EDUCATED DECISIONS.
WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR IS, UM, ASIDE FROM THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD, UH, VIRTUALLY WITH, WITH LANCE AND WITH ANDY AND ANNETTE, UM, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED, YOU KNOW, COLLECTING DATA AND THEN WE DID A SITE VISIT, WHAT WAS THAT, TWO, THREE WEEKS AGO? MM-HMM
SO WHAT WE DID IS WE WENT, UH, DOOR TO DOOR AND, UH, TALKED WITH NUMEROUS BUSINESSES AND EMPLOYEES.
SOMETIMES THE BUSINESSES WERE THE OWNER AND THE EMPLOYEE.
UH, WE PASSED OUT SURVEY CARDS, UH, THAT HAD A QR CODE.
THE SURVEY IS ANONYMOUS SO THEY CAN, UM, FEEL FREE TO GIVE COMMENTS.
UH, THUS FAR THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY POLITE.
UM, I WILL SHOW YOU A SLIDE AS TO WHAT WE'VE COLLECTED SO FAR.
AND NEXT TIME AFTER WE KIND OF CLOSE IT OUT, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE, THE DATA AND WHAT THE, UM, OVERVIEW IS OF EACH OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASKED AND, UH, THE PREVAILING COMMENTS, THE OVERARCHING THEME IF YOU WILL.
UM, SO WE DID THAT, UM, AND HOLD ON, I'M GOING OFF
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SCRIPT A LITTLE BIT HERE GUYS.AND WE, UM, DID SITE VISITS TO MULTIPLE LOCATIONS TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF WE DID DECIDE TO GO WITH A EMPLOYEE, UM, PARKING SOLUTION, WHERE MIGHT WE UTILIZE THAT? I KNOW WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT THAT THE EMPLOYEES ARE HAVING ON THE, THE PARKING.
ARE THEY PARKING ON STREET OR DO THEY INTEND TO PARK IN THE GARAGE? ARE THEY PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS? AND I THINK, UM, ALL OF THAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, BUT WE NEED TO KIND OF COLLECT ALL THAT DATA AND, AND SEE WHAT IS GOING TO BE A FIT SO THE EMPLOYEES DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING, YOU KNOW, IGNORED RESIDENTS DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING IGNORED.
SO, UM, SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND THEN IN THE NEXT MEETING WE'LL OBVIOUSLY COME BACK TO YOU WITH WHAT'S THAT? GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOME TECHNOLOGY RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING NOW.
UM, WE THINK WE HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS THAT WILL FUTURE PROOF, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST TAKING ONE STEP FORWARD, BUT REALLY TAKING 10 STEPS FORWARD, FUTURE PROOFING, GETTING THE MOST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK.
AND SO WE'LL PRESENT TO YOU A LOT OF DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY OPTIONS.
AGAIN, WE ARE JUST PRESENTERS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA PERSUADE YOU TO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER DECISION YOU MAKE BASED OFF OF, UH, THE NEEDS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA PRESENT TO YOU.
WE'VE ALSO, UM, ENGAGED THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO ALSO HELP US ENGAGE WITH, UH, THE BUSINESSES.
AND I KNOW AFTER I LEFT LAST TIME, HEATHER CONTINUED TO MEET WITH SOME OF THE, THE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT HAVE PARKING AS WELL.
SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO ENGAGE WITH THEM AS WELL.
UM, CAN I PUSH YOU ON THAT SLIDE? IF YOU COULD GO BACK? YEAH.
SO WHERE IT SAYS THAT IDENTIFY BROAD SUPPORT FOR PERMIT SYSTEM ALIGNED WITH CITY POLICY, WHAT EXACTLY CITY POLICY ARE YOU DOES THIS REFERRING TO? WELL, IT REFERS TO WHAT YOUR, YOUR CURRENT CITY POLICY IS.
I, I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WE'VE RECEIVED THAT YET, BUT MM-HMM
WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF IT ALIGNS WITH WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE OR IF WE NEED TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SOME CHANGES IN POLICY.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOUR RESIDENTS, RIGHT? THEY DON'T REQUIRE A PERMIT RIGHT NOW.
UM, AG ALSO WITH ON STREET PARKING WITH THE PAID PARKING TIME LIMITS, UM, RATE CHANGES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'LL HAVE A DEEP DIVE DISCUSSION INTO ALL OF THAT.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RESIDENT PERMIT PARKING SYSTEM, IS THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM
PROBABLY THAT WE ALREADY DO HAVE A POLICY.
SO YOU SHARED WITH THEM WHAT, WHAT OUR PERMIT SYSTEM LOOKS LIKE NOW.
DOES THAT HELP? THAT'S THE PERMIT SYSTEM UP.
THAT, THAT'S ONE AREA WHERE WE'VE IMPLEMENTED THAT SYSTEM, BUT THE, THE FRAMEWORK FOR THAT IS BUILT INTO OUR CODE BECAUSE WE IMPLEMENTED NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
IS THAT WORKING? I MEAN, I HAVEN'T HAD A COMPLAINT IN A LONG TIME.
THERE ARE TIMES WHEN, YOU KNOW, ON A RARE OCCASION SOMETHING BREAKS DOWN AND, AND THERE'S AN ISSUE.
BUT OVERALL, THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IS THAT IT, IT DOES WORK.
AND I THINK IT WAS REQUEST IN ROOM SHADOWS FOR SOME TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT, WHICH IS A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY.
BUT THAT, THAT WAS THE ONE COMPONENT THAT WAS MISSING UP THERE.
AND WE'RE LOOKING CITYWIDE AT THAT AS WELL.
SO PETE AND BRIAN, WHAT? NO, I SAW HIM, MELISSA.
SO YOU TALKED ABOUT ENGAGING, UM, AND SURVEYS AND ALL THAT WITH BUSINESSES.
HOW ABOUT THE RESIDENTS? WE HAVE NOT ENGAGED WITH THE RESIDENTS AS OF YET.
'CAUSE THEY'RE A PRETTY IMPORTANT PIECE TO WHAT'S GOING ON UP THERE.
ATHENA HAS NOT, BUT LANCE, DO YOU WANT SPEAK TO? I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO SOME RESIDENTS.
THEN, UM, TOPIC FOR A FUTURE CONVERSATION.
I SUSPECT, UM, I'M STILL STRUGGLING WITH THE IDEA THAT WE AS A CITY ARE GOING TO SOMEHOW SUBSIDIZE OR SUPPORT EMPLOYEE PARKING UP IN UPTOWN.
THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS A BUSINESS ISSUE.
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ISSUE.THAT AS A CITY, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE AN ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH THEY CAN BE SUCCESSFUL IN THEIR BUSINESS, WHICH I THINK WE'RE DOING BY MAKING SURE THAT VISITORS AND RESIDENTS HAVE PLACES TO PARK AND CONVENIENCE AND THEY UNDERSTAND HOW TO FIND PARKING.
SO THEY CAN GO UP THERE, THEY CAN SHOP, THEY CAN DO ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN FOR ME THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THE EMPLOYEES HAVE A PLACE TO PARK.
YEAH, THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S A BUSINESS ISSUE.
ENGAGING WITH THE CHAMBER IS ABSOLUTELY IN MY MIND, THE RIGHT THING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF COUNCIL FEELS ABOUT IT, AND THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE TIME TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, BUT, UM, I AM, I'M A LITTLE OFF PUT BY THE IDEA THAT WE'RE EXPLORING REMOTE PARKING AND SHUTTLE SOLUTIONS FOR EMPLOYEES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET EMPLOYEES PARKING.
UM, I THINK BRIAN EXPRESSED IT BRILLIANTLY WHEN WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, UM, I DON'T KNOW, A HUNDRED YEARS AGO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE GARAGE AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, IF EMPLOYEES WANNA PAY FOR WHATEVER IT IS WE CHARGE TO PARK IN THE GARAGE, THEY CAN PAY WHATEVER WE'RE CHARGING TO PARK IN THE GARAGE.
SO, UM, I AM, I'M STILL NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE SHOULD BE SPENDING, UM, OUR TAX MONEY, MY MONEY, AND OTHER RESIDENTS MONEY.
CAN I MAYBE CLARIFY SOMETHING ON THAT? SO RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'VE DONE AND WHAT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING IS DATA COLLECTION.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT CONFIRMING HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WE HAVE IN THE AREA.
WE'RE TALKING TO BUSINESSES ABOUT DO THEY HAVE AN EMPLOYEE PARKING ISSUE? DO THEY WANT TO SOLVE IT? THE NEXT STEP IN THIS PROCESS, WHAT WE COMMITTED TO COUNCIL TO DO IS TO HELP FACILITATE THIS DISCUSSION.
AND THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IF BUSINESSES DON'T STEP UP AND TAKE THE LEAD ON AN IMPLEMENTATION PHASE OF WHATEVER'S DETERMINED COULD BE DONE HERE, THAT'S WHERE THE CITY'S PARTNER STOPS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT POINT.
YEAH, I CAN JUST ADD ONTO THAT.
AS IT RELATES TO EMPLOYEES, THE REASON THAT WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THIS, AND WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT IT'S SUBSIDIZED OR NOT AT THIS POINT, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S PURELY JUST SEEING WHAT THE SNAPSHOT LOOKS LIKE.
BECAUSE IF EMPLOYEES ARE TAKING UP PARKING THAT YOUR VISITORS AND RESIDENTS SHOULD BE USING, THAT HAS A HUGE IMPACT, RIGHT? SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET AN OVER, UM, OVERARCHING IDEA.
AND IN TALKING WITH THEM, WHAT WE'RE LEARNING IS A LOT OF THEM ARE PARKING IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND TAKING UP THOSE SPACES, OR THEY'RE TAKING UP, UH, SPACES ON STREET.
UM, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, SO WE CAN PRESENT IT TO YOU ALONG WITH OPTIONS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION NOW.
I, I, I BELIEVE, ARE WE AGENDIZED FOR THAT DISCUSSION? YEAH, BUT IT'S REASONABLY RELATED.
WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION.
WELL, NO, JUST TO, TO PUT THE, THE WANTS AND DESIRES OF SOME OF THE COUNCIL OUT THERE, AND THEN WHILE THEY'RE DOING THEIR STUDY, THEY COULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION OF WHAT THE, THE COUNCIL'S EXPECTATIONS ARE, NOT TO ASSUME INFORMATION THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
SO, AND I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, BUT BRIAN, GO AHEAD.
UM, YEAH, COUNCILOR DUNN, NOTHING'S CHANGED IN MY MIND AS FAR AS WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO.
UM, MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUSINESSES IN UPTOWN AND THE, THE STRUCTURES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT THERE, LIKE VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING IS LEGAL NON-CONFORMING FROM A PARKING PERSPECTIVE.
I MEAN, THERE'S JUST LIKE LITERALLY ALMOST NO BUSINESSES OWN ANY PARKING IN UPTOWN.
I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING, BUT A LOT, A LOT DON'T.
SO, I, I DON'T THINK I, I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR DUNN THAT, UH, I, I DON'T WANT TO CLOSE THE DOOR, BUT, UM, I CERTAINLY HAVE CONCERN THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE BAILING OUT BUSINESSES THAT DON'T OFFER PARKING, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT EVEN ENOUGH FOR THEIR OWN CLIENTS CUSTOMERS, LET ALONE FOR, UH, EMPLOYEES.
UM, I AM QUITE CURIOUS ABOUT THIS NOTION THAT YOU'VE EXPLORED POTENTIAL REMOTE PARKING AND SHUTTLE SOLUTIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE AN AWFUL LOT OF INTEREST IN REMOTE PARKING SOLUTIONS FOR FUTURE TRAILHEAD USE, FUTURE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE USE, AND SO FORTH.
SO IF YOU'VE COME UP WITH SOME NEW LOCATION, BOY, I'M ALL EARS TO HEAR WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
'CAUSE I'M NOT AWARE OF WHAT IT WOULD BE.
HAVE YOU IDENTIFIED ANYTHING, OR IS IT JUST EXPLORED MEANS? YEAH, WE OUGHT TO LOOK INTO THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT AREAS LIKE, UH, THE PARK AND RIDE, UH, LOT THAT WE HAVE ON THE WEST SIDE BY THE HIGH SCHOOL.
COULD THERE BE SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO USE THAT? YOU KNOW, IS
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THAT A PLACE THAT YOU CAN PARK FOR A LOWER COST TO GO WORK IN UPTOWN? IS IT FREE? SO ALL OF THAT'S BEING EXPLORED.SO THEN IF YOU USE THAT LOT FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING, THEN WHERE ARE SHUTTLE USERS GOING TO PARK? AND WHO'S GONNA PAY, WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR THE NEXT $26 MILLION PARKING GARAGE? RIGHT.
SO JUST TO REITERATE WHAT I WAS SAYING BEFORE, AND LANCE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YOU'VE BEEN IN THE DATA COLLECTION MODE, CORRECT.
SO BEFORE WE GO INTO SOLUTIONS, WE REALLY WANT TO SEE THAT, SO FOLKS FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY ARE GONNA TAKE LEAD ON THAT.
AND ANDY, YOUR POINT'S WELL TAKEN, LIKE MY ASSESSMENT AFTER HAVING READ THE POWERPOINT AND WHAT I'M HEARING SO FAR IN THE DISCUSSION IS IN MANY WAYS, THIS IS A VERY PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW.
YOU COULD ARGUE THAT WE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE HAVING IT YET.
UM, GIVEN OUR INSATIABLE DESIRE TO ASK QUESTIONS, GET INTO DATA
UM, I, I WILL ASK, YOU KNOW, LANCE, YOU WERE ASKED, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAVE WE DONE AS FAR AS, UH, RESIDENT OUTREACH? YOU SAID YOU'VE TALKED TO SOME RESIDENTS.
SO HOW MANY RESIDENTS IN UPTOWN HAVE BEEN SPOKEN TO SO FAR? 10 TO 15 THAT I'VE TALKED TO.
SO SOME OF 'EM, BUSINESS OWNERS TOO, PROPERTY MANAGERS.
WE, WE'VE MADE MAJOR PROMISES TO THE RESIDENTS IN UPTOWN THAT WE WOULD BE DRIVING, INSISTING ON THE KINDS OF, UH, STRATEGIES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING INTO.
AND IN MY MIND, THEY SHOULD BE AT THE FOREFRONT OR AT LEAST, UH, BEING HEARD FROM AT A SIMILAR TIMEFRAME AS WHAT BUSINESSES ARE.
SO THAT FEELS LIKE A GAP RIGHT NOW.
AND I WOULD CERTAINLY URGE YOU TO, UH, ENSURE THAT WE'RE HEARING THEIR VOICE LOUD AND CLEAR SOONER THAN LATER.
I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, SAID BY MY COLLEAGUES OVER HERE ABOUT THE BUSINESS PARKING.
AND I THINK THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A COMPLICATED SUBJECT HERE.
AND SOME OF IT GOES BACK TO OUR, OUR, UM, OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? SO, UH, HAVEN'T WE, THERE WAS AT ONE TIME A PAYMENT IN LIEU OF PARKING THAT BUSINESSES COULD, COULD OFFER, AND I THINK THAT PREDATES A LOT OF THE COUNCIL THAT'S SITTING UP HERE TO KNOW ABOUT THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT BUSINESS'S EXPECTATION REGARDING PARKING WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT THAN A DIFFERENT BUSINESS THAT DOESN'T, DID NOT PARTICIPATE OR CONSIDER THAT PROGRAM.
AS WELL AS DIDN'T WE, AND I WANNA KNOW THIS TO FRAME OUR, OUR DISCUSSION WHEN WE GET TO IT.
UM, BUT DIDN'T WE REDUCE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THE LDC, UM, FOR SOME COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES IN ONE OF THE LAST GO AROUNDS? UH, I KNOW WE DID.
FOR CERTAIN BUSINESSES THAT WE LOOKED AT, THERE WERE WAIVERS THAT WERE GIVEN.
I'VE GOT, I DON'T WANNA MENTION SPECIFIC BUSINESS NAMES, BUT I'VE GOT A COUPLE IN MY HEAD HERE, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS A, UH, SYSTEMIC CHANGE THAT WE MADE OR IF THAT WAS PER, YOU KNOW, A WAIVER.
YEAH, NO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A, A ACROSS THE CODE KIND OF A CHANGE.
UM, THERE WAS THE, IN LIEU, AS YOU MENTIONED, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S EVER TAKEN AN ADVANTAGE OF THAT, AS I RECALL.
UM, BUT NO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ANY ACROSS THE BOARD KIND OF CHANGE.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I JUST WANT US TO BE AWARE OF AS WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS IS THAT WE'VE BEEN REALLY ALL OVER THE MAP REGARDING PARKING.
WE WANT, WE'RE GONNA BUILD IT.
WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SUBSIDIZE HERE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA FAVOR ANYBODY.
WE HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THE MAP.
AND THAT'S DANGEROUS WHEN YOU'RE STARTING TO PUT, YOU KNOW, POLICIES IN AND WHEN YOU'RE STARTING TO ACTUALLY COME UP WITH THE PHYSICAL STRUCTURE.
NOW THAT'S SUPPOSED TO ANSWER A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
WE DO NEED TO HAVE SOONER THAN LATER THESE POLICY DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE, AND THAT WAS WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT WITH, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, MY QUESTION ABOUT CITY POLICY, BECAUSE WHICH, WHICH CITY POLICY VERSUS WHICH NON-EXISTENT CITY POLICY REALLY MORE, MORE APPROPRIATELY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, NOT IN TO THAT SLIDE, BUT I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE NOW THAT I THINK WE'RE, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE FALLING BEHIND THE TIMELINE THAT'S APPROPRIATE TO START HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS AS THIS ALL STARTS TO COME ONLINE.
WELL, WOULDN'T THAT ALL COME ABOUT ONCE THEY GET THE INFORMATION AGAIN? I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO FRAME, TO YOUR POINT THAT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE NEED TO FRAME SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF GENERAL GUIDANCE, NOT FINE TUNED, BUT I, I, I DON'T WANT STAFF, YOU KNOW, OFF SPENDING A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY IN ONE AREA AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, OH, NO, NO, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAD IN MIND.
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THEY KNOW WHAT WE HAD IN MIND? OH, WE NEED THAT.SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANNA DO FOR THE FEATURE ITEM, JUST TO TARGET ON A WORK SESSION THAT WE COULD, AS FAR AS TIMELINE.
I DON'T KNOW IF LANCE, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF HE WAS GONNA GET TO THIS OR NOT, BUT BY THE NEXT EM UPDATE, THE EXPECTATION I'VE HAD IS THAT WE WILL HAVE THE RESULTS OF THE STUDIES BE PREPARED TO APPROACH ANY POLICY CHANGES THAT WE NEED TO, TO FACILITATE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF.
BUT WOULDN'T IT BE GOOD IF WE DO IT NOW TO SHARE SOME OF THE EXPECTATIONS WE HAVE NOW? YEAH.
BEFORE YOU COME UP WITH THE INFORMATION AND BEFORE YOU DO YOUR STUDY AND BEFORE YOU DO YOUR OUTREACH.
IF THERE ARE POLICY CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU HAVE NOW, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT.
WELL WE CAN, LET'S GET UP TO THIS POINT.
PETE, UH, UH, DEREK, YOU HAVE A QUESTION AND, UH, A COMMENT.
UM, I AGREE WITH COUNSELORS DUNN AND LTZ.
I DON'T PARTICULARLY WANT TO SUBSIDIZED PARKING, BUT I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE NEED TO REALIZE THAT WE'RE ELIMINATING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATING HOW MANY SPACES THAT ARE BEING USED BY BUSINESSES.
RIGHT? SO SUDDENLY WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF THESE SPACES AND THEN SAY, OKAY, NOW YOU CAN PAY OR GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
LISTEN, CAN YOU RESPOND? YEAH.
NO, AND I THINK WE SHOULD GO INTO THIS A LITTLE DEEPER, NOT TOO DEEP, BUT
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN HERE IS THEY'LL EVENTUALLY PROBABLY SPEAK ABOUT THE FACT ABOUT CONSOLIDATION.
'CAUSE THE GARAGE WAS ALSO ABOUT CONSOLIDATION.
SO THERE ARE GOING TO BE LEASED LOTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT WE WILL BE RELEASING.
AND THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING THOSE TO BE CONSIDERED BY BUSINESSES AS SOME ARRANGEMENT THEY CAN MAKE FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING.
SO THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS THAT ARE THERE.
WE ALSO, AS A CITY, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, AND I'M SURE ANDY WILL CORRECT ME IF I AM INCORRECT, WE SUBSIDIZE THE VERDE SHUTTLE.
UM, AND BECAUSE WE SUBSIDIZE THE VERDE SHUTTLE, WHY IS THAT NOT PART OF THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT MOVING EMPLOYEES FROM THE PLACES THAT THE SHUTTLE GOES, UM, INTO THE CITY WHERE MAYBE OUR LOCAL TRANSIT SHUTTLES PICK THEM UP? SO REMOTE PARKING IS STAY, KEEP YOUR CAR AT HOME.
RIGHT? IF YOU'RE IN A PLACE WHERE THE VERDE SHUTTLE COMES.
SO IT JUST FEELS LIKE THERE'S OTHER GAPS HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DISCUSSED SORT OF IN OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT I, YOU KNOW, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE ARE BEING EXPLORED OR BEING BROUGHT UP.
UM, AND WE'RE NOT JUST FOCUSING IN ON, ON A MORE TRADITIONAL KIND OF SOLUTION.
VICE MAYOR, I REALIZE THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS PREDATED YOU AND ANNETTE AND CERTAINLY ATHENA
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR YEARS.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR YEARS.
BUT, UH, ONE OF THE, I ONE OF THE REASONS WE WANTED TO HAVE PERMIT PARKING ON THE STREET WAS SO EMPLOYEES COULDN'T PARK THERE.
WE DON'T WANT EMPLOYEES PARKING ON THE STREET.
AND IF WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL PERMITS, THEN WE CAN HAVE ENFORCEMENT.
'CAUSE EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE A A PERMIT IS NOT ENTITLED TO PARK THERE.
SO THAT WAS ONE, UM, STRATEGY THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED.
AND PERHAPS THAT'S HASN'T BEEN CONVEYED TO YOU AS FAR AS, UH, PERMIT PARKING FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
WHICH IS WHERE THAT A LOT OF THE EMPLOYEES ARE PARKING RIGHT NOW.
IT, IT HAS, IF I MAY, UM, AND IT GOES BACK TO THE EMPLOYEE SURVEY.
IT, WE WANTED TO ASK THEM WHERE THEY ARE PARKING.
SO WE ARE GETTING SOME OF THAT DATA BACK FROM THEM CURRENTLY AND THEY ARE PARKING ON STREET, WHICH LEADS US TO THE NEXT, DO WE NEED A RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PARKING PROGRAM TO PREVENT THAT? SO IT ALL TIES IN TOGETHER.
SO I AGREE WITH YOU THAT EMPLOYEES PARKING IN INAPPROPRIATE AREAS HAS A TRICKLE EFFECT.
AND, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA, ON THE ONE HAND, IT'LL HELP BUSINESSES 'CAUSE THEY HAVE EMPLOYEES ON THE OTHER HAND DOESN'T HELP BUSINESSES.
'CAUSE THEN THERE'S NOWHERE FOR CUSTOMERS TO PARK.
I WANNA, KATHY SUPPORT THE VICE MAYOR IS RIGHT ABOUT THE TIMING BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS WHEN I WAS ON P AND Z, WHICH IS FIVE TO EIGHT YEARS AGO.
SO IT DOES PREDATE ALMOST EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM EXCEPT ANDY
NOTHING IN SEDONA PREDATES ANDY
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YOU'RE GONNA MAKE HIM REALIZE HE CAN RETIRE.I KNOW, RIGHT? HE'S ONLY 29 THERE.
I WAS IN MY TWENTIES WHEN I STARTED HERE,
UM, BUT TO THAT POINT OF IT BEING FIVE TO EIGHT YEARS AGO, I ALSO DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA STILL MAKE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WHAT WE THINK TODAY IS THE SAME AS WHAT WE THOUGHT FIVE TO EIGHT YEARS AGO.
UM, IT MIGHT BE, IT MIGHT NOT BE.
SO AGAIN, GOES BACK TO WE NEED A ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE TAGGING ON.
OR COULD A PETE TAGGING DEREK HAVE SOMETHING ON JUST A SIMPLE TAG ON, WHICH IS THERE NEEDS TO BE STRUCTURE TO THAT CONVERSATION, RIGHT? LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE IT.
BUT LIKE, WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO DO IT.
DISCUSS NO, BUT SHARE OUR WANTS AND DESIRES, IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD.
WELL, WHAT DO WE WANT MEAN IN THAT STRUCTURE? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT, WHAT DO WE WANNA PROVIDE? YES.
SO DO, IS THERE SOMETHING WE WANT STAFF TO KNOW SO THAT IT'S, THE STRUCTURE IS WITHIN THE STRUCTURE.
I MEAN, UH, THAT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.
THE STRUCTURE'S WITHIN THE STRUCTURE.
I REALLY TRIPPED OVER THAT ONE.
UH, I, I, NO, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S OUR STRATEGY BEHIND EMPLOYEES? IS IT STILL WHAT THE VICE MAYOR SET? WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, WHAT ARE OUR FEELINGS ABOUT WHAT WE WANT FOR RESIDENTS? WHAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S TAKING EACH PIECE AND SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AND GET A CONSENSUS DECISION AMONGST US MM-HMM
OF WHAT THE POLICY IS SUPPOSED TO BE THAT THEY'RE BUILDING A PLAN FOR.
SO THAT'S JUST, THAT NEEDS TO BE A STRUCTURED, FACILITATED DISCUSSION OF EACH OF THOSE PIECES.
I KNOW THAT I HAD, UH, THOUGHT I'D BE AT JURY DUTY TODAY, AND SO PERHAPS I'M A LITTLE BIT, UH, BEHIND, I'M SCRATCHING MY HEAD A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE NOTHING IN THE PACKET SPOKE TO ME ABOUT SUBSIDIZED EMPLOYEE PARKING.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT GOT DRAGGED UP OTHER THAN IT WAS THE PAST CONVERSATIONS.
UH, CLEARLY THOUGH, THE DISCUSSION IS BORE FRUIT.
SO IT'S, IT'S GOOD THAT IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I WAS PRETTY CLEAR AT EARLIER PARTS OF THINGS THAT WE APPROVED, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, PERMIT PARKING IN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND PREVENTING EMPLOYEES FROM PARKING.
THERE WAS A, A KEY FEATURE FOR ME.
ANOTHER ONE THAT COUNCILOR KINSELLA HAD MENTIONED THAT I WANNA JUST TAG ONTO IS THE CONSOLIDATED PARKING ELEMENT OF IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY ARE WE TRYING TO FREE UP SOME OF THE SPOTS THAT WE USE, I THINK SOME OF US HAD THOUGHT PERHAPS WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET HIGHER AND BETTER USE OF THOSE LOTS, NOT JUST OTHER PAID PARKING LOTS.
AND THAT THEN SPEAKS TO THE LDC REVISIONS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED.
REDUCING PARKING MINIMUMS, CHANGING LOT, UH, PERCENT OCCUPIED, UH, BOUNDARY LIMITS AND ALL THE REST.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN JUST PARKING.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE FOR THE USES TO SHIFT, UH, TO PROVIDE, UH, HIGHER AND BETTER USE.
OH, I THOUGHT YOU HAD SOMETHING.
DO YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH.
DO YOU PREDATE COOK'S CEMETERY?
WERE YOU GONNA SAY SOMETHING? I WAS JUST GOING TO TAG ON WITH COUNCILOR, UH, FURMAN, THAT A CFA, YOU KNOW, A AN ACTUAL IMPLEMENTED CFA HAS ALSO BEEN A PRIORITY THAT WE'VE EXPRESSED DESIRE FOR, WHICH OF COURSE IS, UH, CAPACITY CONTROLLED BY OUR STAFF AVAILABILITY.
BUT THAT SPEAKS BOTH TO THE HIGHER, HIGHEST AND BEST USE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WELL, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
WHAT WOULD A TANGLED WEB WE WINGING? I'LL SAY YES.
AND THEN I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST THAT WHEN WE COME BACK FOR A FURTHER WORK SESSION, IT MAKES SENSE THAT WE WOULD HAVE ONE JUST ON THE TOPIC OF EMPLOYEE PARKING.
AND AT THAT POINT, WE CAN BRING ALL THE DATA.
WE CAN HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME FOLKS HERE THAT REPRESENT, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESS SIDE WHERE THEY WANNA MAKE SOME CHANGES AND, AND SORT OF LEAD, LEAD THAT EFFORT.
UM, SO IF, IF THAT'S KIND OF THE DIRECTION WE, WE CAN WORK IN THAT WAY AND, AND BE PREPARED FOR THAT PROBABLY BY SOMEWHERE AROUND THE END OF SUMMER, I'M THINKING.
SO I'D LIKE TO TAG ON TO ANDY.
UH, JUST A REMINDER ON OUR SIM UPDATES STAFF, TAG IT ON, I HAD TO SAY IT.
BUT THIS, OUR EMPHASIS IS THIS, UM, IN MAY WAS TRANSIT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN PARKING IN SEPTEMBER, OUR NEXT SIM UPDATE WILL BE PARKING, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO TRANSIT AND THEN WE'LL BE SIM.
SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, WE'RE IN A ROTATION.
SO WE PLAN ON EMPHASIZING THAT AT OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING.
SO KURT BROUGHT EV EVERYBODY AT THIS TABLE,
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WHEN WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION, THE CONCERN WAS RESIDENTIAL PARKING.WILSON SMITH AND VEDER WERE THE, THE ROADS UP TO MESQUITE WHERE EMPLOYEES FROM, ACTUALLY, I DON'T, I, THERE'S NO WAY OF NOT MATCHING LAB.
MOST OF, UH, THEIR EMPLOYEES WERE PARKING ON THOSE STREETS AND WALKING DOWN.
AND, UH, I HAD TO, LAST YEAR I WENT WITH MIKE WISE ON A TOUR OF UPTOWN, AND WE WENT DOWN TO LE AND THEY STILL HAVE THEIR PARKING PROBLEMS DOWN THERE, BUT YET THEY HAVE WHAT THEY HAVE AND IT, IT IS WHAT IT IS, I GUESS.
BUT THEIR EMPLOYEES DON'T PARK THERE.
I'M GUESSING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR OUTREACH, JUST MAKE A MENTAL NOTE OF THIS WAS WHERE THEY'RE PARKING.
ARE THEY STILL PARKING THERE? ARE THEY GOING UP TO APPLE ON THOSE SAME STREETS? BUT THE RESIDENTS BELOW MESQUITE WERE ALL COMPLAINING AT THE TIME, BUT NOW I UNDERSTAND MANY OF THOSE HOMES ARE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SO, BUT THERE IS ONE OR TWO PEOPLE WHO FORTUNATELY STILL LIVE THERE FULL TIME AND I'M SURE WE'LL HEAR ABOUT THEM.
YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE, IF EMPLOYEES ARE STILL PARKING THERE, BUT YOU MIGHT WANNA BRING THEM INTO THE FOLD AND HAVE A MEETING IN UPTOWN, WORK WITH THE CHAMBER, UH, OR THE UPTOWN GROUP TO SEE IF YOU CAN HAVE A MEETING JUST WITH THE PEOPLE ON THOSE STREETS.
UM, BECAUSE THAT WAS REAL BAD PROBLEM.
SO, UH, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG DISCUSSIONS.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MAKING EACH OF THOSE ONE WAY AND WHATEVER DIRECTION, PARKING ON ONE SIDE WITH A PERMIT.
SO, SO I, I DON'T, DON'T KNOW IF, IF I SHOULD CLARIFY THIS FIRST.
SO THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF TIMES OVER THE YEARS.
I KNOW THE ONE WAY, UH, CONSIDERATION WAS SOMETHING VERY EARLY IN SIM THAT WE LOOKED AT.
THERE WAS IMMEDIATE CONCERN FROM THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE THAT FOLKS DIDN'T WANT ONE WAY STREET CONVERSIONS.
THAT'S STILL A CONSIDERATION TO LOOK AT AND TO WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, TAKE A FRESH LOOK AT, BUT INITIALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS RESTRICTING THE PARKING.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIRST CONSIDERATION.
AND, AND THAT'S BE, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT CONSOLIDATION, WHILE WE'RE BRINGING THE GARAGE ON ONLINE AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, HOW DO ALL THESE THINGS WORK TOGETHER? ULTIMATELY, WE WILL NEED TO COMPLETE THE CFA WHEN WE HAVE THE STAFF CAPACITY TO DO SO WITH THAT.
WE'LL BE LOOKING AT WHAT WE DO WITH ONE WAY, UM, WHERE WE ACTUALLY ALLOW PARKING, WHERE WE MIGHT ADD MULTIMODAL FACILITIES AND THOSE SORTS OF THREE THINGS ON THOSE STREETS IN THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA.
HOPEFULLY, DID I LOSE ANYBODY ON THAT
AND TO BE HONEST, THAT'S THE ONLY HANGUP OF NOT REACHING OUT TO THE RESIDENTS YET, UH, COUNCILMAN FOLTZ, IS BECAUSE WITHOUT HAVING A CONCRETE PLAN, MORE THAN JUST A DISCUSSION TO BRING TO THEM WHEN WE ACTUALLY REACH OUT TO THEM.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST DISCUSSIONS.
THESE ARE ALL OUR OPTIONS AND ALTERNATIVES.
SO WE ARE HOPING TO GET SOMETHING MORE SUBSTANTIAL WHEN WE DISCUSS INTO THAT.
SO WE CAN TELL THEM, THESE ARE OUR OPTIONS, A, B, C OPTIONS OR GEE TURN.
THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK.
BECAUSE WE TEND TO GET A LOT OF NEGATIVE FEEDBACK WHEN IT'S JUST, HERE'S WHAT WE THINK WE WANT TO DO.
AND THEN EVERYBODY THROWS UP ON IT.
WELL, IT'S, IT'S GETTING A BETTER PLAN THAN JUST DISCUSSIONS WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.
I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE FOLKS FEEL LIKE THEIR INPUT ACTUALLY COULD MATTER AND WELL, YEAH.
THAT IT'S NOT JUST, HERE'S THREE OPTIONS TO CHOOSE AMONGST.
SO THEY REALLY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE EXPRESSING A OPINION ON MAYBE THREE OPTIONS, THEY STILL DON'T FEEL LIKE THEIR INPUT WAS UTILIZED TO DEVELOP THE THREE OPTIONS.
THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S THE RUB.
THAT'S A STEP BEFORE WHERE YOU ARE.
I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE PROBLEM.
UM, 'CAUSE EVEN IF YOU PRESENTED THREE OPTIONS, THEY MAY NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT EACH OF THOSE OPTIONS REPRESENT, UM, IMPACTFULLY.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE STILL IN A GATHERING THE DATA PHASE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND IF, IF WE, WHO IS THEY? UH, THE RESIDENTS.
WELL, THAT'S WHY WE, WE KNOW OUR RESIDENTS PRETTY WELL IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, WANNA BE REPRESENTED.
AND THIS IS WHY WE'RE SAYING SPEAK TO THE RESIDENTS BEFORE YOU COME UP WITH YOUR THREE OPTIONS.
I I, I THINK IN THE LONG RUN, UH, BECAUSE OF THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE STILL ACTUALLY LIVING ON
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THOSE THREE STREETS, THEY SHOULD BE HEARD.AND, AND THAT'S THE, THE, THE THEORY BEHIND THIS SURVEY IS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEIR PAIN POINTS ARE AND THEN SOLVE FOR THE PAIN POINTS.
WE WILL NEVER MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
SO, AND THERE'S MORE INTO IT THAT WE CAN GO INTO OFFLINE.
SO ANDY CAN, I'M SURE, SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE HISTORY UP THERE.
THINK, I THINK WE ACTUALLY COVERED EVERYTHING ON THIS PAGE.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY APRIL OF 25.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A YEAR.
UM, IT WOULD, IT'S ONLY BEEN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
LYNCH, WERE YOU EVEN HERE THEN?
UH, YEAH, WE CAN GO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, SO THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY.
JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THE SURVEY, UM, THIS WAS JUST ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.
AND AGAIN, WE ARE STILL COLLECTING THE DATA, SO, BUT WE JUST WANTED YOU TO HAVE A SNAPSHOT OF THAT.
WOULD YOU SUPPORT A SPECIAL PARKING PER PERMIT PROGRAM JUST FOR EMPLOYEES AND BUSINESS OWNERS? A SPECIALIZED PERMIT PROGRAM PROGRAM COULD GIVE EMPLOYEES AND BUSINESS OWNERS LIMITED ACCESS TO HIGH DEMAND PARKING AREAS WHILE KEEPING PRIME SPOTS MOSTLY AVAILABLE FOR CUSTOMERS AND VISITORS.
THE OVERWHELMING ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION SO FAR HAS BEEN A 75%.
WOULD YOU SUPPORT, UM, HOW WOULD YOU RATE PARKING IN UPTOWN? SEDONA? AGAIN, THIS IS COMING JUST FROM EMPLOYEES AND POSSIBLY BUSINESS OWNERS AT THIS POINT.
UM, TWO AND A HALF STARS, WHICH IS ABOUT THE INDUSTRY STANDARD, JUST TO BE CLEAR.
HOW MANY, UM, I THINK WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT 30 TO 40 AT THIS POINT.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE'VE ONLY DONE THIS FOR A COUPLE WEEKS AND IT'S STILL OPEN AND WE'RE STILL COLLECTING.
AND THAT NUMBER FLUCTUATES DAY TO DAY AS THEY COME IN, IN, AND IT'S FROM A SELECT, UM, SEGMENT.
SO IT'S UNSCIENTIFIC AND NOT REALLY REPRESENTATIVE.
UM, IT'S FROM THE EMPLOYEES, UM, IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA THAT ARE PARKING ON STREET OR BEHIND.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, SO I THINK WHAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW IS, SO FAR THIS IS WHAT WE'VE SEEN.
THIS IS NOT AT ALL INDICATIVE OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET AS A FINAL RESULT OF THIS SURVEY.
IT COULD SWITCH A PRELIMINARY.
SORT OF A, A BASE PROBLEM WITH THIS THOUGH, WHICH IS YOU'RE ASKING EMPLOYEES, WOULD YOU PREFER A PERMIT SYSTEM THAT BENEFITS YOUR SUBGROUP AS OPPOSED TO THIS BEING SOMETHING THAT ASK RESIDENTS ON WHOSE HOUSE IN FRONT OF IT WOULD BE THE PARKING WOULD BE IMPACTED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, HOW THEY FEEL? I I, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS 75% OF THIS HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE RESIDENCE YET.
UNDERSTAND THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE TO MOVE THEM TO A SPECIFIED LOCATION, WOULD THEY BE SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING A DESIGNATED PLACE TO PARK VIA PERMIT? MAYBE A DISCOUNTED RATE WE HAVE NEVER THROWN OUT, UM, THAT IT WOULD BE SUBSIDIZED.
THAT'S, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER TOPIC OF CONVERSATION.
SO, SO, SO THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS, YOU KNOW, IT'S 75% YES.
BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE PROBABLY THINK IT'S NOT GONNA COST THEM ANYTHING.
AND THAT IT'S GONNA BE VERY CONVENIENT.
AND WHEN YOU TURN AROUND AND TELL 'EM, YOU KNOW, IT'S $150 A MONTH FOR THIS PER PARKING PERMIT, YOU KNOW, THEN IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.
HE ACTUALLY DID ASK IF THEY WOULD PAY.
UM, HEATHER HAS IT, WHO'S SICK IN BED.
UM, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS IF THEY WOULD PAY, UM, OKAY, BUT THIS QUESTION, THE 75% YES.
UNLESS YOU'RE NOT INCLUDING THE ACTUAL TRUE QUESTION.
DOESN'T IT? IT JUST SAYS, HEY, WOULD YOU BE COOL WITH THIS? AND AT THAT LEVEL YOU COULD SAY, YEAH, SURE.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA COST ME ANYTHING.
IT MAY BE VERY CONVENIENT AND COST ME NOTHING, SO, SURE, WHY NOT? AND WHAT'S INTERESTING IS, IF YOU ARE AWARE, THE TURNOVER IN MOST OF THOSE BUSINESSES IS HUGE.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA GET THESE 75, 70%, 75% ONE DAY, THREE MONTHS LATER, THOSE PEOPLE MAY BE GONE.
MAYBE THEY GO TO A DIFFERENT BUSINESS.
SO YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL WITH THE QUESTION IN THE WAY IT'S PHRASED.
BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S REPRESENTATIVE.
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TOTALLY.ONE IS THAT, THAT, UH, IN TERMS OF THE PARKING GARAGE, ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS FROM THE RESIDENTS WAS THAT THEY WERE NEVER SURVEYED.
ONLY THE BUSINESSES AND THE EMPLOYEES WERE SURVEYED AND THE RESIDENTS WERE NEVER SURVEYED.
SO IT WAS A VERY, IT'S A VERY SENSITIVE SUBJECT.
I FEEL LIKE WE ARE REPEATING THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST, RIGHT.
THAT WERE STARTING WITH EMPLOYEES.
I, I NEVER, I GO BACK TO, TO COUNSELOR DUNN'S OPENING STATEMENT, WHICH STARTED THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION.
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE PARKING AND PERMITTING PROGRAM IS NOT FOR EMPLOYEES AND BUSINESS OWNERS, IT'S FOR RESIDENTS.
SO WHERE IS THIS COMING FROM? SO, SO LET ME, LET ME TRY TO JUMP IN HERE.
THEY'RE GATHERING DATA ON TWO DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS.
ONE IS A RESIDENT PARKING AREA AND ONE IS A POSSIBLE EMPLOYEE PARKING AREA WHERE A POSSIBLE WAY TO MANAGE THAT IS THROUGH A PERMIT SYSTEM.
THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE GETTING MIXED TOGETHER RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY
BUT THE THING IS, THEY HAVEN'T MADE THE SECOND STEP TO THE RESIDENTS YET.
AND, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GATHERING DATA ON IS THERE EVEN A DESIRE BY THESE BUSINESSES AND THE EMPLOYEES THEMSELVES TO SOLVE THEIR PARKING ISSUE? I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA SOLVE THEM.
AND, AND, AND THIS IS NOT AN ALL INCLUSIVE DATA DUMP TO YOU.
IT'S A PRELIMINARY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HEARING BACK.
BUT IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
AND RATHER THAN ARRIVE THERE AND THEN WE APPEARS SAY, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANTED AT ALL.
WHICH COULD HAPPEN AND HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
LET'S GIVE SOME DIRECTION NOW SO THAT, CAN YOU REPEAT SO THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ALL THIS WORK AND THEN IT GETS THROWN OUT THE BATH WATER.
YOU KNOW, SO IF I MAY, THAT IS FULLY OUR INTENTION TO INCLUDE THE RESIDENTS.
THE BUSINESSES OBVIOUSLY IMPACT THAT.
AND IT WAS, UM, AS A PHASED APPROACH, EASIER TO START WITH A VERY SIMPLE SURVEY BECAUSE THE ONES WITH THE RESIDENTS IS GOING TO, UM, ENTAIL MUCH MORE POINTED QUESTIONS.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DISSEMINATE THAT SURVEY TO THE RESIDENTS, BUT IS COMPLETELY OUR INTENTION TO INCLUDE THE RESIDENTS, BUT AGAIN, THE BUSINESSES IMPACT THEM.
SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST A SNAPSHOT, BUT THERE WILL BE A LOT MORE INFORMATION COMING IN THE NEXT COMING MEETINGS.
ALRIGHT, SO LET ME GIVE YOU A HEADS UP ON THAT.
THERE WAS A DISCUSSION FOR A POSSIBLE ROAD BYPASS FOR THE FUTURE OF SOMETHING CALLED FOREST ROAD.
AND THERE WERE PEOPLE IN FOREST IN THAT AREA.
THE LOWER SECTION OF UPTOWN THERE WERE ADAMANTLY AGAINST IT.
ONE OR TWO SPOKESPERSONS WERE ADAMANTLY AGAINST IT.
AND IT, IT REALLY WASN'T, THEY WEREN'T QUERIED WELL.
BUT YET THIS, THIS, UH, CITY MANAGER, ACTUALLY TWO CITY MANAGERS AGO, HAD THE IDEA THAT TO LET'S MAIL THEM EVERYBODY IN UPTOWN AN EMAIL, OR NO, IT WAS ACTUAL A LETTER.
AND ANDY TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE RIBBON CUTTING, WHICH WAS REALLY PROFOUND.
WAS IT 80% OF THE PEOPLE IN UPTOWN NOW FROM BEING ALL AGAINST IT? 80% WERE SUPPORTING IT.
RIGHT? SO IT'S IMPORTANT HOW YOU GET THAT INFORMATION AND SENDING AN EMAIL, SENDING A A A QUESTIONNAIRE MAY NOT DO IT.
SENDING A A LETTER TO EVERYBODY IN UPTOWN, WHICH IT WORKED BEFORE.
IT SHOWS THAT WE'RE TAKING THEM IN TO CONSIDERATION MORE THAN JUST AN EMAIL.
MORE THAN JUST A QUESTION THAT SOMETIMES MAY BE SKEWED ONE WAY OR WE'RE ACCUSED OF SKEWING IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND IT'S NOT, BUT THE ACCUSATIONS COME OUT VERY QUICKLY.
SO I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THE HISTORY ADVICE MAY HAVE TALKED ABOUT SHE GOT A THOUSAND PERCENT AND THE FEEDBACK AND WE'RE OPEN TO DOING AN INVITATION TO ROUND TABLE SESSIONS, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE INCLUDED IN THAT THEIR OPINIONS AND THEIR RIGHT CONCERNS WERE, WERE HEARD BECAUSE ESPECIALLY SOME PEOPLE SEE UPTOWN IT AND IT, THEY'RE NOT WRONG.
IT COULD BE A FIRE ISSUE IN EVACUATION ISSUE.
SO WE WANT ALL, AND THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER SUBSET OF PEOPLE THEY NEED TO BE HEARD AS WELL.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED.
OH, ONLY TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS TOPIC, JUST LIKE WHERE WE WERE GOING WITH, UH, THE, THE MICRO TRENDS THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, BLOOD'S
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IN THE WATER NOW THE SEVEN SHARKS ARE CIRCLING AND YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, I MEAN I'M FIRST AMONG SHARKS, SO I MEAN, I, I'M SAYING THIS TO MYSELF LIKE AT SOME POINT WE GOTTA LET THIS KEEP MOVING HERE.UH, SO WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.
I THINK, AND I GET IT, I THINK POINTS WELL TAKEN THAT THIS IS VERY PRELIMINARY.
THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
I THINK THEY'VE HEARD US LOUD AND CLEAR THAT A RESIDENT PERSPECTIVE NEEDS TO BE FIRST IN PRIORITY, UH, IN TERMS OF HOW WE DESIGN OUR POLICY AND THE RESULTING STRATEGIES.
UH, AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO NOT, UH, CONTINUE TO, TO CIRCLE AROUND THE, THE FISH IN THE WATER.
ARE YOU GONNA CIRCLE THE OTHER HALF? ACTUALLY, I WANTED, WANTED TO LOOK AT THE QUESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THEY'RE WORDED OR NOT, UM, IN THE SURVEY, BUT THERE'S IMPLICATIONS HERE, RIGHT? UM, STRONG INTEREST IN PROVIDING A SHUTTLE SERVICE WHO'S PROVIDING THAT SHUTTLE SERVICE, RIGHT? SO THIS GOES BACK TO HOW MUCH DOES IT COST.
SO DEPENDING ON, ON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING OR HOW YOU'RE ASKING IT, YOU'RE SORT OF LEADING THE WITNESS SO TO SPEAK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, CITY ISN'T NECESSARILY PROVIDING A SHUTTLE SERVICE.
SO ARE YOU ACTUALLY TEEING UP BUSINESSES TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY THOUGHT THE CITY WAS GONNA DO AND WE'RE GONNA TURN AROUND AND SAY, UH, NO, THE BUSINESSES ARE GONNA DO THAT.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, BROAD SUPPORT FOR THE PERMIT SYSTEM, SAME, SAME SORT OF THING.
WHO'S PROVIDING THE INCENTIVES FOR THE CARPOOLING AND THE USING, WHAT ARE THOSE INCENTIVES? I MEAN, THE DEVIL REALLY IS IN THE DETAIL IN THESE QUESTIONS COULD BE A LITTLE MISLEADING.
AND THEREFORE THE DATA THAT YOU'RE GATHERING MAY NOT BE AS ACCURATE AS, YOU KNOW, WE UP HERE ON THE DAIS WOULD HOPE FOR.
AND SUBSEQUENTLY, THIS IS JUST SORT OF LIKE HEADS UP, UM, IN A FRIENDLY WAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAME IN AND THESE WERE THE ANSWERS THAT YOU GAVE US IN THE END OF SUMMER, WE'RE GONNA BE DIVING INTO THOSE DETAILS AND WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING ABOUT THOSE DETAILS.
AND SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE ANSWERS, UM, WE'RE JUST GONNA SAY, WHAT DID WE SPEND OUR MONEY ON? MM-HMM
SO AT LEAST THAT'S MY OPINION.
DEREK, UM, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO SOMETHING ANDY SAID A FEW MINUTES AGO.
YOU MENTIONED RESIDENT PARKING AREA.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STREETS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT, NOT A CENTRALIZED RESIDENT PARKING, RIGHT? FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS? THAT'S CORRECT.
YEAH, I JUST HEARD THAT AND I PICTURED A LOT.
NO, JUST FOR RESIDENTS AND I, THE PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PARK IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSES.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO YEAH, THE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE HOMES IN THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA WOULD BE REQUIRED PERMIT.
I THINK WE SHOULD ACTUALLY JUST SKIP 'CAUSE I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN CLEAR DIRECTION THAT WE MAY NEED TO REVISE A FEW THINGS WHEN WE COME BACK.
SO I THINK WE CAN, UM, YEAH, LET'S JUST SKIP THAT ONE.
UM, WELL WE KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT CENTRALIZED REMOTE PARKING LOT FOR EMPLOYEES AT A POSSIBLE SHUTTLE SERVICE.
UM, HOPEFULLY THIS ONE'S A LITTLE MORE, MORE PALATABLE.
UPGRADE ENFORCEMENT AND OCCUPANCY TRACKING BY REPLACING COSTLY AND INEFFICIENT INGROUND SENSORS WITH MODERN CAMERA BASED LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY.
IN ESSENCE ENFORCEMENT IS EVERYTHING RIGHT? YOU CAN PUT ALL THE POLICIES IN PLACE, UM, TIME CONSTRAINTS, RESIDENTIAL PERMITS, BUT WITHOUT THE ENFORCEMENT OF IT OF THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY YOUR, YOUR KEY COMPONENT.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE'LL COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO CAMERA BASED.
UM, WE'LL DISCUSS SENSORS, WE'LL DISCUSS, UH, AI AND LPR OPTIONS TO MAKE THE PROGRAM MORE EFFICIENT.
UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME PILOT PROGRAMS TO TEST TIME OF DAY AND SEASONAL PRICING STRATEGIES.
I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A STATIC PRICING, UM, MODEL RIGHT NOW.
UM, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GET FEEDBACK ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT DYNAMIC PRICING AND SEASONAL PRICING.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT, UM, TO OBVIOUSLY MAXIMIZE, UH, YOUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
MAYOR, BRIAN AND PETE, WHY DON'T YOU GO COUNSELOR FURMAN, I'VE HAD PLENTY OF MIC TIME.
AND IF THERE'S ONE OR TWO EMPTY SPOTS
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ON THE BLOCK, THEN YOU LET THE PRICE FLOAT.IF IT STARTS TO GET TIGHT, THE PRICE JUST AUTOMATICALLY STARTS TO GO UP.
IS ARE THOSE TECHNOLOGIES YOU'RE CONSIDERING? YES.
UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS KNOW, COUNSEL, I BELIEVE HAS PROVIDED CLEAR DIRECTION THAT THE COST OF THE GARAGE SHOULD ULTIMATELY BE BORN FROM PARKING FEES.
UH, NOT LIMITED TO THE GARAGE ONLY, BUT PARKING FEES.
SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CRYSTAL CLEAR.
THANK YOU THAT THAT HAS BEEN RELAYED TO US.
AND RECOMMENDATIONS WILL, UM, INCLUDE THAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THE CENTRALIZED REMOTE PARKING LOT IN SHUTTLE SERVICE, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE IDEA.
I'M OPPOSED TO WHO PAYS FOR IT.
SO I WANTED TO BE REALLY CLEAR IF THAT WERE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAME BACK TO AND YOU CAME TO CHAMBER AND BUSINESSES AND SAID THIS WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA AND THIS WOULD REALLY WORK, HALLELUJAH.
I MEAN THAT, THAT WOULD BE A BRILLIANT SOLUTION POTENTIALLY, RIGHT? I'M JUST OPPOSED AND CHOKING AT THE IDEA THAT THE, THE CITY POTENTIALLY IS THE ONE WHO IS, UM, BUYING THE LAND AND SETTING UP THE PARKING AND DOING THE SHUTTLE.
THAT'S NOT THE IDEA I'M OPPOSED TO RIGHT, RIGHT.
UM, SOME CITIES LIKE TO OFFER AMENITIES, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS AMENITIES AND THEY'RE NOT OVERLY INTERESTED IN MONETIZING THEIR PARKING.
UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK PARKING CAN BE A GREAT ASSET TO, TO UTILIZE.
SO, UM, I THINK FROM WHAT WE'RE GATHERING HERE TODAY, UM, YOU WILL BE PLEASED WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE MAKE AND WHAT YOU DO WITH THEM IS UP TO YOU.
UM, THE ONLY REASON WE TALKED ABOUT PILOT PROGRAMS IS JUST TO PUT SOMETHING INTO ACTION, UM, SOONER RATHER THAN, THAN LATER.
IT'S NOT A MUST, BUT IT'S AN OPTION.
SO WE ALWAYS WE'RE, WE'RE THROWING OUT OPTIONS AT YOU.
UM, AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE PERMIT PROGRAM TO SUPPORT RESIDENTS.
LET'S JUST BYPASS THE LOCAL EMPLOYEES FOR RIGHT NOW,
UH, SO NEXT STEPS, UM, WHEN WE COME BACK, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE A LOT MORE FINDINGS, UM, A LOT MORE DATA TO SHARE WITH YOU.
WE ARE INGESTING COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF DATA RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT, THAT LANCE AND, AND ANDY HAVE BEEN PROVIDING TO US.
SO, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE WILL BOMBARD YOU WITH DATA POINTS, UM, AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS, UM, REGARDING THE SHUTTLE TECHNOLOGY LOCATIONS, THE RESIDENTIAL ASPECT OF IT.
UM, BUT LASTLY WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THE OUTREACH AND THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING WITH THE EMPLOYEES, BUT THAT WILL EXPAND GREATLY AS WE, UM, GET TO THE RESIDENCE, WHICH SHOULDN'T BE THAT FAR OUT, JUST TO BE CLEAR.
DO I DARE ASK QUESTIONS?
ALRIGHT THEN ACTUALLY, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? A SUGGESTION? IT DOESN'T SAY SUGGESTIONS UP THERE.
I THINK I HAD AN THERE, BUT, BUT, UM, AS YOU START TO THINK, AND YOU'VE BEEN, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON UPTOWN THE UPTOWN BUSINESSES, BUT IF YOU START TO THINK ABOUT THE IDEA OF CENTRALIZED REMOTE PARKING SHUTTLE THAT THE BUSINESSES ARE SUPPORTING, THAT MIGHT BE CITYWIDE.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU MIGHT, WHEN YOU WORK WITH THE CHAMBER FOR INSTANCE, FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE OTHER BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT FROM WEST SEDONA ALL THE WAY THROUGH UPTOWN WHO MIGHT FIND THAT SORT OF A, AN AMENABLE IDEA OR A USEFUL IDEA FOR THEIR, UM, FOR ALL OF THEIR EMPLOYEES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PASS THAT ON.
YOU WANNA TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK? YEAH, YOU MAY BE GOING TO WHAT, LIKE NINE O'CLOCK TONIGHT? YEAH, EXACTLY.
SO LET'S MEET BACK HERE AT, UH, 3 55.
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OKAY.KURT, YOU READY TO GO NON-LEGAL, KURT? YES.
WELL, I'VE JUST BEEN NOTICING WE LOST OUR LAST SPECTATOR, BUT THIS IS TRANSPORTATION.
SEDONA IN MOTION UPDATE AND WE HAVE AN EMPTY AUDIENCE.
WE'RE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT IF THIS PLACE WAS FULL.
ARE YOU SAYING WE'RE EMPTY
YOU, YOU WE'RE, YOU'RE PART OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT JUST SHOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.
IF THIS PLACE WAS FULL, THEN
WELL, I MEAN IT'S ANECDOTAL, BUT IT SEEMS RELEVANT.
UM, WELL THANK YOU FOR HANGING IN HERE AS WELL.
I MEAN, I'VE GOT SANDY AND WE'VE GOT BOB.
UH, WE WENT THROUGH OUR, OUR, UH, TRANSIT AND OUR PARKING UPDATES AND NOW IT'S JUST OUR UPDATE ON OUR SIM IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AGAIN, YOU SAW EVERYTHING IN THE AGENDA.
BILL, THIS IS THE DATA DASHBOARD WE PULLED OFF.
THAT WAS FROM, UM, THE Y AND I MADE SOME NOTES IN HERE FIRST.
UH, UH, MORE SLIDES WILL SHOW IT.
UH, THE DATA SHOWS THAT WE, WHAT WE'RE DOING SIM IS WORKING.
UM, WE ARE GONNA ADD DOODLE BUG TO THE Y AS DATA.
THERE'S NOT A 2024, THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT ON THIS AT THIS TIME.
SO ONCE NEXT YEAR COMES AROUND, WE'LL INCLUDE THAT CHART FOR YOU ALL.
UM, THIS IS JUST NUMBERS, BUT KURT, I COULD THROW OUT IF, IF IT'S DESIRED.
IN 2025, JANUARY THROUGH APRIL, WE SAW TRAVEL TIMES FROM DOODLEBUG TO THE Y.
THAT RANGE FROM 10 MINUTES TO ABOUT 20 MINUTES.
IT'S ABOUT 1.9 MILES FOR THAT SEGMENT.
AND UH, AS KURT MENTIONED, WE WILL CONTINUE TO TRACK THIS INTO THE FUTURE.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS BASICALLY ALL DATA.
IT'S ALL GOING INTO THE Y ROUNDABOUT.
SO ANDY AND I HAVE BEEN KICKING AROUND WITH KIMLEY HORNED, WHICH IS THE BEST WAY TO TRY TO CONDENSE ALL THIS INFORMATION AND SHOW IT IN ONE EASY GRAPH.
I THINK THE DATED DASHBOARD WE WERE, I WAS LOSING YOU GUYS OR LOSING OUR AUDIENCE.
SO WHAT WE'VE COME UP TO, THIS IS A SUMMATION OF ALL, UH, AVERAGE DAILY VOLUME AND UM, MINUTES, TRAVEL TIME INPUT OF ALL THREE LEGS INTO THE Y.
UM, WE'RE USING JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH AND APRIL 3RD OF THE FIRST THIRD OF THE YEAR BECAUSE THAT'S OUR LOWEST AND THEN OUR HIGHEST, UH, UH, VISITATION VOLUMES.
AND THEN BY DOING A SUMMATION, THEN WE'RE REMOVING OUT ALL OF THE OUTLIERS.
THE PROBLEM WITH LOOKING AT, UH, TRAFFIC DATA IS THE OUTLIERS.
IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT, IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, IF A BUS COMES IN, IT SKEWS THE DATA OUT AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO DIGEST IT.
SO TRYING TO REMOVE OUT ALL THOSE OUTLIERS IS THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH THIS.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA PRESENT TO YOU ON EVERY SIM UPDATE TO KIND OF EASY TO LOOK OUT HOW WE'RE DOING AS OUR METRICS.
KURT, EVEN THAT OUTLIER DATA CAN BE USEFUL.
I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE DOING SOME ANALYSIS ON THE OUTLIER DATA AS WELL.
AND THAT'S THE DETAILS OF THE TRACTION DA DATA DASHBOARD.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD EASILY PRESENT AND HAVE HIGH CONFIDENCE THAT THESE ARE THE VALUES 'CAUSE WE'RE SOFTENING ALL THOSE, UM, NOISE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS CLEAR.
I THINK IN THE AGENDA BILL, IT WAS MORE CLEAR THAN WHAT I'M SEEING HERE, THAT IN THIS GRAPH, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING FOR 24 AND 25, THE TOTAL, SO ALL THREE LEGS THAT GO INTO THE Y ARE BEING ADDED TOGETHER.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IN JANUARY, THAT 25,400, THAT'S A TOTAL OF THE THREE LEGS ADDED TOGETHER.
AND SIMILARLY THE TRAVEL TIME DATA IS ADDED AS WELL.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR.
KURT, WHEN DOES THE, OR WHEN WILL THE TRAVEL ADVISORY SIGN ON 17 GO INTO EFFECT? OH, THAT'S OFF OF, UH, GENERAL CROOK HILL ON I 17.
I PUT THAT IN THE AGENDA BILL.
I BELIEVE THE DID PASS THE, UH, STATE TRANSPORTATION BOARD, UM, THAT THEY SELECTED THE LOW BID.
SO THE NOTICE TO PROCEED SHOULD BE HAPPENING, UM, WITHIN A
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WEEK OR TWO.AND THEN I KNOW WHEN I WAS REACHING OUT TO THEM, THERE'S A LONG LEAD TIME, SO THERE WAS LIKE A FOUR OR FIVE MONTH PERIOD JUST TO GET THE MATERIAL BEFORE THEY START BREAKING CONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT SIGN WILL NOT BE DONE UNTIL AL ALSO KURT, AREN'T THEY STARTING AT THE SOUTH END AND WORKING NORTH? SO RIGHT NOW I THINK ADOS FOCUS IS DOWN AT THE, WHERE THE FLEX LANES ARE.
WELL THAT'S WHAT WAS IN THE ENGINEER'S DESIGN.
ONCE THE, IT'S BEEN THE BID AND THE CONTRACTOR'S BEEN AWARDED, THEN WE CAN GET THE CONTRACTOR SCHEDULE BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE MULTIPLE CREWS THAT COULD START IN FLAGSTAFF AND WORK IN BETWEEN.
I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO WORK WHERE THE FLEX LANES, BLACK CANYON CITY, WHERE ALL THAT CONSTRUCTION IS.
BUT OUR EXPECTATION IS IT'S GONNA BE PROBABLY HALFWAY INTO THE PROJECT BEFORE WE GET TO GENERAL, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO ANDY, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO THINK ABOUT THIS CHART AND ADDING THE THREE LEGS, BUT FOR THE TOTAL PEAK TRAVEL TIME, CAN YOU TALK THROUGH HOW THAT THREE LEGS, HOW THAT'S SHOWING UP HERE? YEAH, AND I GUESS KURT, IF YOU WANT ME TO START ON THAT, GO AHEAD.
SO IF WE TAKE, IN THIS CASE WE'RE LOOKING AT BELL ROCK BOULEVARD TO THE Y WE'RE LOOKING AT RAINBOW TROUT FARM TO THE Y AND THEN COOKS HILL AIRPORT ROAD TO THE Y.
IF YOU TAKE BACK ON THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE, KURT, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK UP THERE SURE.
AND YOU GO TO, UM, WHOOPS, I GOT THE CURTS.
SO IF YOU GO TO, UH, JANUARY FOR BELL ROCK TO THE Y YOU'VE GOT SAY IN 2025, A 20 MINUTE, UM, TEN SECOND TRAVEL TIME.
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS THAT, UH, THE, UH, THE 20 MINUTES, EIGHT MINUTES AND FIVE MINUTES FROM THE THREE ADDED TOGETHER.
SO THAT SHOULD BE AND AND THEN GO BACK.
SO, SO LIKE THE 20 MINUTES AND 10 IN JANUARY, UH, FOR BELL ROCK, IS THAT THE AVERAGE PEAK TIME AMONG ALL THE SATURDAYS OR THAT IS LIKE A SINGULAR ONE INSTANCE PEAK? IT'S THE AVERAGE PEAK AVERAGE PEAK CUMULATIVE, YEAH.
SO THAT'S JUST, I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THE DATA.
THIS IS THE, THE, UH, CHART THAT WE'VE COME TOGETHER.
THE, SORRY, ARE YOU GONNA HIT ON WHAT WE, WHAT WE GOT OUT OF THIS CHART?
SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA SKIP OVER IT.
UM, AVERAGE DAILY VOLUMES, THE BIG ISSUES YOU CAN SEE IS THE VOLUMES THAT OVER CONSISTENTLY INCREASE ON, ON ALL MONTHS AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC FROM 2024 TO 2025.
SO WE'RE GETTING MORE TRAFFIC COMPARED TO LAST YEAR.
UM, AND THEN A SUMMATION HOW MANY CARS AND PLUS, AND THEN THE SATURDAY PEAK TIME TRAVELS DECREASED OVER, UM, IN GENERALLY FROM 2024 TO 2025 AT 13 IN APRIL IT WAS UP TO 22 MINUTES LESS.
UM, SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD NEWS.
HOW ARE YOU GONNA COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE COMMUNITY? 'CAUSE YOU NEED TO REALLY BE CROWING ABOUT THIS.
YOU NEED TO SHOW IT ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THE PERCENTAGE REDUCTION IS ENORMOUS.
AND, AND BACK TO THE MORE COMPLICATED VERSION OF THE DASHBOARD, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DRILL DOWN TO EACH PROJECT THAT HELPED GENERATE THESE TRAVEL TIME SAVINGS AS WELL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THIS DATA.
AND THE NEXT, SO THIS IS JUST A LINE DIAGRAM TO KIND OF SHOW THAT DIFFERENCE VISUALLY.
UM, THE, THE, THE ORANGE IS, UH, 2025 AND THE YELLOW IS 2024.
SO YOU, AGAIN, THIS IS A VISUAL TO SHOW THAT DIFFERENCE IN TRAFFIC VOLUME BETWEEN THE TWO YEARS OVERALL.
AND THE SAME THING FOR IF THE INVERTED FOR THE PEAK TRAVEL TIME.
SO TRAFFIC VOLUME INCREASES, BUT THE TRAVEL TIME DECREASED CONSIDERABLY.
CAN I JUST JUMP IN? SO AGAIN, CROWING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GREAT RESULTS THERE, THERE WAS A POST ON MONDAY ON NEXT DOOR AND SOMEBODY WAS LIKE, OH MY GOSH, THE TRAFFIC'S BACKED UP ON 1 79 TO, WHAT WAS IT, HILLSIDE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEY WERE COMPLAINING THAT IT WAS BACKED UP TO HILLSIDE, YOU KNOW, AND,
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AND SEVERAL PEOPLE WERE LIKE, UM, YOU, YOU DO REALIZE IT'S A, A FEDERAL HOLIDAY.AND SECONDLY THAT'S LIKE NOTHING.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS? UM, AND THEN HERE'S A TOTAL SUMMATION COMPARISON LINE CHARTS, SAME KIND OF THING, JUST OVER UNDER KIND OF A BETTER, UM, AND THE IMPLICATIONS I WANT TO THROW IN HERE JUST ABOUT HOW THE INCREASED VOLUME OF TRAFFIC IMPROVED THE TRAVEL TIMES.
UM, AND UH, THE LIST AS I'M ATTRIBUTING TO THESE ARE THE AMARA RIGHT HAND TURN, THE FOREST ROAD TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THE ZIPPER MERGE, UH, THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, UH, WITH CLOSING CROSS REC DURING THE PEAK CONGESTION TIMES.
AND I ALSO WANNA SAY THE LOS SAL GOGGLES EXIT MUST HAVE CONTRIBUTED AS WELL BECAUSE, UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO COME IN AND DO SOME, UM, RUT AND POTHOLE, UM, ON THE GRAVEL PART OF THE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S USED SO MUCH.
SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE AT RANGER PARK AND JUST LOOK OUT HOW MANY VISITORS ARE USING THAT.
AND GOOD THING WITH LOS AVOS, THEY'RE ALL IN.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA ADD A, UH, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE RANGER PARK.
UM, THEY, THEY KEEP GETTING FEEDBACK, UM, THAT THEIR EMPLOYEES AND THEIR GUESTS ARE REALLY, UM, REALIZING THE TIME SAVINGS ABOUT USING THAT AS A ONE-WAY EXIT.
UM, GOOD STUFF THAT WE CAN REACH OUT TO THE OTHER MERCHANTS IN THE AREA ABOUT OUR PORTAL LANE EXTENSIONS AS WELL.
UM, AGAIN, THE FUTURE PROJECTS, THE SIM, UH, FIVE B, THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION THAT'S GONNA FURTHER, UH, DECREASE THESE TRAVEL TIMES.
HOW MUCH WE DON'T KNOW, WE'RE GONNA START TRACKING THAT IN JUNE.
KIMBERLY HORN, WE'RE GONNA DO SOME, UH, TRAFFIC COUNTS, UM, AS WELL.
BUT THE OVERALL NETWORK DELAY REDUCTION IS ABOUT 47%.
AND THAT'S WITH THE GARAGE IN.
SO WE'RE SOMEWHERE BELOW THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
BUT AS WE GET A YEAR FROM NOW, WE EXPECT THIS SHOULD BE A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE.
SO THAT'S 47% OF THE ALREADY IMPROVED TIME TRAVEL? NO, THIS WAS FROM KIMLEY HORNS WHEN THEY WERE ORIGINALLY DOING THEIR SIM UH, UH, TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS ANALYSIS.
SO THAT WAS WHAT THE ORIGINAL, UM, BEFORE WE EVEN STARTED THE SIM UP PROJECTS THAT, THAT INCLUDE ALL THESE OTHER PROJECTS THAT BEEN COMPLETED.
SO IT'S, AND FOR SPECIFICALLY, THIS WAS FOR, UH, FOREST ROAD CONNECTION AND THE PARKING GARAGE.
SO WHEN WE GOT THE CONNECTION DONE, BUT WHEN THE GARAGE COMES ONLINE, WE EXPECT TO REALIZE THIS 47% REDUCTION.
THIS WAS GOING BACK TO MANY SIM UPDATES AGO WHERE THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL, UM, TRANSPORTATION NETWORK IN THIS REGION.
IT'S THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, THE MARA NORTHBOUND IMPROVEMENTS FOREST ROAD GARAGE, ALL OF THAT TOGETHER.
SO THE SIM IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE EXPECTING IN THIS AREA TO HAVE A 44 4, I'M SORRY, 47% REDUCTION IN DELAY ON THE NETWORK, ON THE OVERALL SYSTEM.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT INCLUDED THE LOS ADOS THAT, THAT WAS MY POINT, UH, FOR THEIR, SO THOSE, SO THE NEXT SLIDE DOWN SHOWS ALL THE PROJECTS IN THIS REGION, AND AS I RECALL, THEY WERE COUNTING ALL OF THOSE.
IT JUST FEELS LIKE WE'VE ALREADY ACHIEVED IN SOME OF THE PROJECTS.
SUBSTANTIAL TRAVEL TIME DECREASES.
THAT SHOULD MAKE THE OVERALL, ONCE THE GARAGE AND FOREST ROAD WE START MEASURING FOREST ROAD SHOULD GIVE US MORE THAN 47%.
IT COULD BE THAT THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES AS, AS YOU RECALL, AS WE WORK THROUGH ALL OF THIS, THAT UM, ONCE WE GET TO A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE EVEN MORE DIFFICULT TO, TO MAKE IMPROVEMENT AT THAT POINT.
ALRIGHT, WELL NOW THESE ARE THE SIM PROJECT STATUS UPDATES.
AS YOU CAN TELL, WE UPDATED THE, UH, UH, FOREST ROAD CONNECTION AS COMPLETED.
IT'S THE DARK BLUE NOW, WHICH IS EXCITING.
SO WE'RE CHANGING SLOWLY FROM THE, UH, LIGHT BLUE TO THE DARK BLUE AND CONSTRUCTED PROJECTS.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE NEXT TIME WE MEET, WE'LL HAVE SIM ONE B DONE BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE ALL THE PAVING
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DONE IN, UM, UPTOWN.SO THAT AGAIN, WILL TURN TO BRIGHT BLUE.
UH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN FOR YOU.
HEY, KURT, BEFORE WE GO TOO FURTHER BEYOND, IS THIS A WRONG TIME OR DO YOU HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE, UM, ADAPTIVE LIGHTING FOR THE Y WHERE THAT IS AS FAR AS A DOT'S, UH, DISCUSSION? YES.
SO THAT IS, UM, WE, WE ARE STILL IN DISCUSSIONS WITH ADOT.
WE HAVE THE, UH, THE MEMO OF OUR TESTING THAT WAS DONE TO SHOW THAT THE DATA SHOWS THIS WILL WORK AND IT'LL REDUCE, UM, TRAFFIC INGESTION INCREASE FREE FLOW.
UM, SO
UM, MAKING SURE WE ARE CORRECT WITH THE DATA.
SO WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH KIMLEY HORN.
AND SO I NEED TO GET THAT DONE.
AND THEN ONCE I APPROVE IT, THEN WE'RE GONNA APPLY FOR THE ENCROACHMENT PERMIT.
WE'RE JUST GONNA SUPPLEMENT TO THAT BECAUSE WE NEED AN ENCROACHMENT TO A PERMIT TO DO ALL THOSE TESTS.
SO IT'S A FOLLOW UP WITH THEM.
AND THEN, UM, WE'VE ALREADY MENTIONED TO THEM THIS IS A PRIORITY TO THE CITY AND WE WANNA ENGAGE WITH THEM.
THEY'RE WORKING WITH THEIR PHOENIX FOLKS, THE REGIONAL TRAFFIC FOLKS TO SAY, BECAUSE THIS IS NEW EMERGING TECHNOLOGY, IT'LL INCLUDE ADOT EXECUTIVE LEVEL IN ORDER TO GET APPROVALS TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW I'M HEARING REALLY POSITIVE THAT THERE, THERE, THE FLAGSTAFF NORTH CENTRAL DISTRICT IS SUPPORTING US IN DOING THIS.
AND NO TIMELINE, NO TIMELINE JUST TO BE, BE APPROVED.
WELL, WE HAVE TO GET WITH ADOT TO MAKING SURE THAT WE GET THOSE APPROVAL SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO COME UP WITH A DESIGN AND DO ALL THAT.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THAT, THAT, THAT INITIAL STAGE.
ANYWAYS, IT SHOWED THIS VIDEO.
YOU WANNA SEE IT AGAIN? YEAH, IT'S A GOOD VIDEO.
YEAH, WE PAID ALL THIS TIME AND MONEY.
SO I
SO PLEASE,
AND NOW THIS IS WHAT WE STREAM TOGETHER ON SOME AERIALS FOR THE FOREST ROAD CONNECTION, UM, FROM START TO FINISH.
UM, THIS IS, UH, HYPERLINKED TO OUR OWN SHAREPOINT, SO IT SHOULD BE, UM, MAKE SURE IT'S BACK HERE.
AND, UH, NO MUSIC, BUT I CAN SING TO IT.
SO DO I, UH, YOU CAN TELL 24 WHERE THE GARAGE HAS BEEN WORKED ON KIND OF LITTLE DRONE VILLAGE OF BACK IN TIME.
THE RETAINING WALLS ARE GOING UP.
BOB, YOU WANT TO DO SOME NARRATION? COME UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT IT.
UH, THE HEART ROCK ON THIS RETAINING WALL SEEMS TO GOT, UM, ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
PEOPLE ARE NOW, THIS IS A DESTINATION PLACE FOR TOURISTS.
SO YOU'LL BE SEEING THERE QUEUING.
SORRY, HAVE THEY STARTED PUTTING IN THE LANDSCAPING HAR ROCK? YEAH, THEY'RE WORKING ON IT NOW.
TH THAT'S A SOCIAL MEDIA THING THAT PEOPLE ARE TAKING PICTURES.
DOES EVERYBODY KNOW ABOUT THE HEART ROCK? NO.
CAN YOU POINT OUT WHERE IT'S AT? DO YOU KNOW? UH, I CAN, YEP.
WHEN WE WERE THERE ACTUALLY AT THE RIBBON CUTTING AND DOING OUR, UH, THERE, LET'S SEE.
BOB, IS IT, IT'S NOT ALL THE WAY ON THE TOP.
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IT'S A LITTLE MORE BACK.OH, COME ON AT THE, SANDY SAID IT'S AT THE TOP.
WELL, REALLY, IT'S NOT POPPING OUT, BUT IT'S RIGHT HERE ABOUT CENTER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROCK WALL AND IT'S REALLY, IT STANDS OUT HEART.
LET'S SEE IF I CAN, IT MIGHT BE HIDDEN BY ONE OF THOSE BACKHOES.
SO ANYWAY, IT'S THE LATEST SELFIE STATION.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ALL RIGHT, KURT.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE STANDING IN THE ROAD.
PLEASE DON'T HAVE AN ACCIDENT DRIVING THROUGH THERE LOOKING FOR THE HEART ROCK.
PETE, HAVE YOU WALKED UP THE SHARED USE PATH YET FROM THE BOTTOM? AFTER THE RIBBON CUTTING, WE WALKED UP IT FROM THE BOTTOM, FROM NEARLY THE BOTTOM.
I HAVE NOT DONE THE WHOLE TRANSIT YET.
I'M JUST WONDERING, COULD YOU NOT YET I BETTER HIKE THAN I AM, SON.
WHAT ARE WE DOING? THE STREET LGE COMPETITION.
IS THERE A LA LANDSCAPE PLAN? WE CAN SEE? YEAH, THEY'RE DOING IT.
NO, THEY'RE WORKING ON LANDSCAPE NOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF BOB WANTS TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON WHEN WE EXPECT THAT TO BE COMPLETE.
IS THAT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, BOB? YEAH, THAT SHOULD BE THE MIC.
SO, SO THEY'RE WORKING ON IRRIGATION IN LANDSCAPE RIGHT NOW, AND THAT SHOULD BE COMPLETE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL.
SO, UM, WE'RE BASICALLY AT A PUNCH LIST ITEM STAGE AT THIS POINT IN TIME WITH, UM, ROUGHLY A HALF A DOZEN OR SO ITEMS YET THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETED.
BUT THE LANDSCAPING AND THE IRRIGATION IS ONE OF, OF THE PRINCIPAL ONES THAT, UH, STILL NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED AT THIS TIME.
ARE THERE GONNA BE BENCHES ON THE, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PLANS FOR BENCHES WITHIN THIS PROJECT, BUT IT'LL BE ANOTHER PHASE.
BUT IS IT PLANNED? WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOKING AT BENCHES THROUGHOUT THE CITY ON, ON OUR CHARGE USE PATH.
BUT, BUT FOR FOREST ROAD, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE WALKING UP THAT AND YOU START TO GET A LITTLE TIRED SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE NO, NO.
I COULD TELL YOU NO, I'M NOT GONNA DO IT.
OH, HERE'S, HERE'S THE GARAGE.
SO A RECENT BUY OVER, THIS WAS DONE MAY 12TH WHEN WE DID THE RIBBON COATING.
MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE THE HEART ROCK.
SO IT'S GOTTA BE HERE SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? SHOULD BE RIGHT ABOUT THERE.
SEE IF WE CAN, IT WAS ON A LOT OF THE, UH, PICTURES THAT WE HAD FOR HERE SOMEWHERE.
I DO, WE NEED A SIGN TELLING THE TOURISTS NOT TO STAND ON THE ROAD.
SO ANOTHER ASPECT OF WHAT'S ON THE PUNCH LIST, WE JUST DROVE BY, UM, IN THIS AERIAL FLIGHT, THE PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OWNS OFF TO THE RIGHT AND THE CONTRACTOR IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON FINISHED GRADING THAT PARTICULAR LOT AT THIS TIME AS WELL.
NOW, IF YOU WANNA BACK UP, CURTIS, THE CITY'S, THE CITY HAD PURCHASED TWO PARCELS OFF TO THE RIGHT.
WELL, ACTUALLY ONE PARCEL THAT HAD TWO, TWO PIECES TO IT.
UM, WHERE YOU SEE THE EQUIPMENT NOW SITUATED, KURT IS, UH, CIRCLING WITH HIS CURSOR.
UH, THE CONTRACTOR'S WORKING ON FINISHED GRADING THAT SITE AS WELL AS ONE OF THE MAJOR ITEMS LEFT.
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GUTTER HAD CRACKS IN IT, THEY'VE GOTTA COME BACK AND PULL THAT ALL OUT AND PUT IN NEW CARB CREEK.AND I'M GONNA FAST FORWARD WHERE WE WERE AT.
HAVE THERE BEEN ANY ISSUES GOING LEFT INTO THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION AT ALL FROM 89? A 89? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
A WHAT? FROM 89 A MAKING A LEFT TURN ONTO FOREST ROAD.
I I TO THAT I'VE HAD COMMENTS, COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE GONE RIGHT BY IT AND NOT REALIZED THAT THEY CAN MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN INTO THERE SIGNS THERE.
THEY STILL, THEY STILL, PEOPLE JUST STILL THINK THAT IT'S ONLY A ONE WAY ROAD FROM UPTOWN DOWN TO, UM, THE TERMINATION POINT HERE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC THAT THEY SHOULD, YOU KNOW, CAN USE THIS TO GET INTO UPTOWN FROM WEST SEDONA.
ONE THING I WAS MENTIONING EARLIER IS WHEN IT FIRST OPENED GOOGLE DIDN'T RECOGNIZE IT.
IT DIDN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION TO SHOW IT AS A COMPLETE ROUTE YET THAT HAS NOW BEEN RESOLVED.
OUR GIS DEPARTMENT DID AN AMAZING JOB ACTUALLY WHILE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT BEFORE I WENT ON GOOGLE MAPS AND, UH, APPLE MAPS AND I PLUGGED IN THREE ADDRESSES THAT THE EASIEST ROUTE SHOULD BE BY USING THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION.
I PLUGGED IN A STORE IN PINON POINT.
I PLUGGED IN A RESIDENTIAL ADDRESS.
UH, ACTUALLY TWO DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL ADDRESSES, BOTH OF WHICH WOULD BE REALLY EASY FROM THERE.
BOTH, UH, BOTH IN ALL THREE SCENARIOS IN BOTH SYSTEMS. IT TOOK ME THROUGH THE Y SO I, I DID THIS MYSELF LAST NIGHT.
IF YOU'RE AT THE END AT THE EAST END OF FOREST ROAD, WHEN YOU PUT WHERE YOU PUT IN THE ADDRESS FOR IT WILL, WHEN, WHEN TRAFFIC'S NOT BUSY, IT WILL SEND YOU THROUGH THE YI COULD GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC ADDRESS, BUT I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, I DID THE STARTING POINT FROM HERE.
I PUT IN CITY HALL AND I WENT TO THE SP SPECIFIC ADDRESS THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ALIGNMENT AND IT TAKES YOU ON THE ALIGNMENT.
I CAN SHOW YOU ON MY PHONE, THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
THEY HAVE THE, THE, THE STATE SIGNS UP AND THE ONES WITH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS THE NAME, IT HAS THE WHATEVER THAT, AND I KNOW GOOGLE'S DONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF APPLE'S DONE YET.
SO YEAH, APPLE'S NOT DONE YET.
THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT.
THAT'S A LOT MORE DIFFICULT THAN GETTING GOOGLE TO GET THEM TO UPDATE.
IT'S ALSO WE WANT TO GET GARMIN AS WELL, THEIR SERVICE WITH ALL THAT.
I HAD TO DO THE SAME THING FOR THE APACHE TRAIL AND I WORKED AT ADOT, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S BEEN STRIKED NOW, UM, WHERE I'M PUTTING THE CURSOR ON HERE.
SO IT SHOULD BE PRETTY WELL EVIDENT TO THE DRIVER AS WELL.
I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT HAND TURN, PULL ALL THE WAY OVER IN THE LEFT HAND TURN.
THERE WASN'T ANY, UH, TRAFFIC OTHER THAN ME AND THEY WERE FAR AHEAD OF ME.
PEOPLE ARE OVERSHOOTING IT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WITH TIME AND IT WAS DARK WHEN I WAS WITNESSING THAT.
SO IT'S LIKE ANYTHING I THINK IS MORE, THEY'RE GONNA EXCUSE.
AND THEN OF COURSE DURING THE DAY, THEY'RE SEEING ALL OF THE FINISH WORK GOING ON THERE TOO.
THAT MIGHT BE CONFUSING TO THE USER.
ANNETTE, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD IN OUR, YOU KNOW, NEWSLETTER THAT GOES OUT IN THE DID YOU KNOW.
AREA, BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY JUST EXPECT THAT'S TO STILL BE A TURN, YOU KNOW, THE REGULAR DIVIDING LINE, BUT JUST EDUCATION.
UM, NOW OUR SIM ONE B, UM, NOW I'M GONNA GO INTO THE DETAILS.
WE WENT AHEAD AND GOT THE CRACK FIX ON THERE AND IF YOU CAN TELL THERE'S THE, I THINK THAT'S, UH, GREAT BLUE HERON FOOT, UH, LITTLE FOOTPRINTS IN THERE THAT THEY'VE DONE.
AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE PAVING, UH, THE END, UH, IN TWO WEEKS, STARTING JUNE 9TH, STARTING ROUTE TO 35 MANZANITA LAKE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'LL BE EXCITING PROJECT TO GET DONE.
UM, I THINK THERE'S, SPEAK TO THE ROOF, IT'S KIND OF A REWARD TO GET OUTTA HERE, UH, BUSINESSES AND THE P UH, AND THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVED IN UPTOWN DURING ALL THIS CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY CAN GET A BRAND NEW PAVEMENT AND IMPROVEMENTS IN THERE.
UM, THAT HOPEFULLY WILL LAST 15, 20 YEARS, UM, WITH JUST MAINTENANCE WORK ON IT.
SO HERE'S OUR SIM THREE, A UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE.
IT KIND OF SHOWED THE AERIAL DRONE ON THIS.
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PICTURES AS OF MAY.I COULD TRY TO GET THE, UH, LATEST PICTURES OF SHOWING WHAT THE FINISHED WALL'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WITHIN THAT SUBFLOOR OF THE GARAGE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE PASSED AS OF, UM, LAST NIGHT WITH YOUR, THE CHANGE ORDER WAS TO GET THAT FINISHED FIT FACE SO IT MATCHES WHERE THE STRUCTURE OF THE GARAGE IS GONNA BE.
YES, I THINK IT TURNED OUT VERY NICE.
IT'S GOT A, UM, IT'S ORANGE PEEL LOOK TO IT OR A YEAH, KIND OF.
SO IT'S NOT A FLAT FINISHED FACE.
IT'S A GOT A NICE TEXTURE TO IT.
AND THEN SIM FIVE B, OUR FOREST ROAD CONNECTION.
THANK YOU FOR ALL COMING OUT TO THE RIBBON CUTTING.
UH, AS WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT LANDSCAPING CONTINUES, UM, I WENT AHEAD THE, SHOWED THE AERIAL PHOTOS AND THIS WAS JUST A GOOD PHOTO THAT, UM, GILLY TOOK FOR ME, UM, LAST WEEK.
AND HERE'S OUR SIM FOUR C PEDESTRIAN CROSSING OAK CREEK.
I PUT THIS IN HERE AS WELL AS A REMINDER.
WE'RE, WE'RE DONE WITH THE PROJECT.
WE STILL HAVE SOME REMAINING ITEMS, WHICH WAS THE MEETING BARRIER.
WE HAVE THOSE TEMPORARY BARRIERS IN THERE.
AS A REMINDER, WE, UH, TRY TO GET A O AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT AND WE'RE DENIED.
UM, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY COMING UP WITH, UH, ANOTHER, UH, CONCEPT TO GET THAT ENCROACHMENT PERMIT AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO, UH, PUSH THROUGH AND TRY TO GET DONE AS A PRIORITY PROJECT TO FINISH THAT OUT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO MIRROR THE BARRIER THAT WAS IN UPTOWN AND THAT DIDN'T WORK BECAUSE OF THE SITE ISSUES.
IT CREATED A, A BLIND FOR THOSE LEFT HAND TURN MOVEMENTS IN THERE.
UH, WE JUST SUBMITTED THE, UH, A DRAFT CROSSWALK ANALYSIS WITH THE ADJACENT MERCHANT.
I MET WITH THEM, UM, GETTING THEIR COMMENTS, UM, AND MOVING FORWARD, UM, WITH THE, THE WARRANT ANALYSIS WITH THE CROSSWALK.
AND WE'LL BE GOING TO FINAL AND BE WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND WE'LL KEEP YOU GUYS ABREAST OF WHAT THAT OUTCOME'S GONNA BE.
SANDY, DID YOU, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ASK? SORRY.
JUST, JUST CHECKING, STRETCHING OUT.
UH, KURT WHO DID THE WARRANT ANALYSIS, IT WAS KIMLEY HORN.
UH, THEY HAD ALL, THEY WERE THERE WITH US WITH THE, UM, Y ROUNDABOUT METERING.
SO SOME OF THE DATA THAT COLLECTED, WE REPURPOSED AND REUSED IT WHILE THE TIME THERE TO HAVE THEIR CAMERAS TO GET THAT PEDESTRIAN DATA.
SO THE WARRANT ANALYSIS INCLUDES IS FOUR, UM, DIFFERENT, UM, DATA SETS, UH, THAT, THAT WE DID.
LOW, LOW VISIT, LOW PEAK TIMES, HIGH PEAK TIMES, AND SO ON TO GIVE US THE BEST DATA, UH, RESULTS.
SO, KURT, YOUR DISCUSSION OR A MINUTE, A MINUTE AGO YOUR COMMENT I SHOULD SAY, WHERE YOU SAID THAT A, I DIDN'T LIKE THE MEDIAN, UH, FENCING OR BARRIER.
WHAT IS, UH, THAT THE WHOLE, THAT THE ENTIRE LENGTH, I MEAN, WHAT ABOUT WHERE THE CROSSWALK IS AND IT'S GONNA BE GATED TO OPEN OR CLOSE, WHATEVER THAT NEEDS TO BE HIGH ENOUGH SO PEOPLE CAN'T JUMP OVER.
YEAH, SO WHAT WE ORIGINALLY DID WITHIN THE PROJECT, WE SHOWED WHAT WE HAD IN, UM, THE UPTOWN AND BASICALLY IT WAS A LINE OF SIGHT ISSUE.
SO AS CARS WERE QUEUING IN THAT LEFT HAND TURN, UH, BECAUSE OF THE CONFIGURATION OF THAT BARRIER, THEY COULDN'T SEE THE OTHER VEHICLE.
SO, AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO LIKE A MAG STANDARD, UM, THAT LOOKS INDUSTRIAL.
SO WE'RE HAVING TO REVISIT THAT TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF ARTIST RUSTED STEEL LOOK.
UM, THAT IS NOT INDICATIVE OF WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW IS THE TEMPORARY BARRIERS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S SO LINE OF SIGHT ISSUE IS THE HEIGHT I WOULD THINK SO.
THEY WOULD NORMALLY REQUEST TO HAVE IT LOWERED SO THAT YOU COULD SEE FROM A CAR.
IS THAT, SO PART OF THAT'S ALSO HORIZONTAL.
IT'S, IT'S GOING INTO THE, THE SITE TRIANGLE THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE VEHICLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE A PEDESTRIAN AND MM-HMM
UM, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT MAKING SURE THAT IT IS TALL ENOUGH AT THE SAME TIME TO AT LEAST BY THE CROSSWALK, INVITING PEOPLE TO JUMP OVER IT AND THAT SORT OF THING.
BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A CHALLENGE WHEN I SEE THEM JUMPING, IT'S, THEY LOOK BOTH WAYS AND LEAP OVER.
SO YEAH, IT'S DIFFICULT ON A LINE OF SIGHT IS WHEN YOU'RE COMING AT AS AT AN ANGLE.
IF YOUR FENCE ISN'T OPENED UP OR YOU CAN SEE THROUGH IT, BUT IT'S CLOSED THIS WAY, THEN YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH THAT FENCE LINE UNLESS YOU OPEN THIS WAY.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS THAT ADA HAS WITH THAT STYLE FENCING.
AND WE WERE LOOKING TO UTILIZE A SIMILAR FENCING
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THAT WAS USED UP ON UPTOWN FENCING AREA AND, UM, THEY OBJECTED TO THAT IN OUR INITIAL SUBMITTAL.WHAT I UNDERSTAND THEY ACTUALLY WENT TO UPTOWN AND SIMULATED WHAT IT WOULD LOOK AND, UH, THAT WAS THE ISSUE.
SO WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT DESIGN.
BRIAN AND KATHY? UH, KATHY WAS FIRST.
OH, UM, WITH YOUR CRYSTAL BALL, WHAT IS YOUR TIMELINE PROJECTION FOR THE ADOT REVIEW AND THESE NEGOTIATIONS AND COMPROMISE AGREEMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, THE LAST TWO BULLET POINTS THAT ARE REFERENCED THERE.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S YOUR CRYSTAL BALL TIMELINE? IT'S USUALLY IN AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT.
THOSE ARE 30 TO 45 DAYS THAT THEY TAKE TO REVIEW THE PRO THE, YOUR SUBMITTAL.
SO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE SUBMITTAL, UM, KNOWING A OT AND THE CITY THAT THEY'VE BEEN REALLY PARTNERING WITH US BECAUSE REALLY WE'RE FIXING ADOS ISSUES WITHIN THEIR RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WE'VE BEEN GETTING AN EXPEDITED, UM, TREATMENT IN THE PAST, HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE.
I THINK COUNSELOR, IS YOUR QUESTION MORE GEARED TOWARDS THE WARRANT ANALYSIS? YES.
OUR TARGET IS BY THE NEXT SIM UPDATE TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND GET DIRECTION FROM, FROM COUNSEL ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, WITH, WITH THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THERE INTO THE FUTURE.
THAT'S JUNE YOU'RE PROJECTING TO COME BACK? SO IT'LL BE IN SEPTEMBER.
SEPTEMBER IS OUR NEXT SIM UPDATE.
IT'S IN THREE MONTHS, FIRST WEDNESDAY, UM, MEETING THAT, THAT'S REALLY IN DEALING WITH WHAT THE, UM, DATA OUTPUT, WHAT THE WARRANT ANALYSIS SAYS, BUT THEN IT, I THINK THE MORE DIFFICULT TIME AND TIMELINE WAS GONNA GET COMPROMISED WITH THE, WITH THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE MERCHANTS AND ADOT.
SO THERE'S THREE PARTS THAT WE HAVE TO GET A COMPROMISE THROUGH.
WHERE WHERE DOES ON THAT COMPROMISE, WHERE DOES DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL FACTOR INTO THAT? IT'S SO, AND, AND IF I COULD JUST TO FOLLOW UP, UH, SEPTEMBER 10TH IS THE DATE WE'RE TARGETING FOR THE NEXT HIM UPDATE, JUST SO EVERYBODY CAN PLAN FOR THAT.
BUT, UM, I THINK WE WILL BE GIVING THE RESULTS OF THE WARRANT ANALYSIS, THE DATA THAT WE HAVE OPTIONS AT THAT POINT FOR HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH PERMANENT, UM, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENTS, UH, CONSIDERATION OF OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER THERE AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WILL BE ALL PART OF WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO GO OVER AT THAT POINT.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I'LL MOVE ON.
AND HERE'S OUR SIM FOUR F UH, MAYOR ROUNDABOUT ADAPTED SIGNALS.
UM, WE WANT TO COMPLETE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR AS PER YEAR DIRECTION.
UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY SCOPING THE TECHNOLOGY ALTERNATIVE IS WITH, UH, OUR CONSULTANT.
UM, THE BIG ATTRIBUTES ARE TO PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY AND THEN THIS IS ALL PART OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THE DYNAMIC SEQUENCING AND COORDINATION FOR TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THE Y INTO UPTOWN.
AND THIS WOULD INCLUDE PART OF THIS CROSSWALK OF 1 79.
UH, IT MIGHT AS PART OF THIS INCLUDE OTHER ROUNDABOUTS, PERHAPS SLY, SO ON.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE SUCCESS AND REALLY THE, THE ENGAGEMENT AND FEEDBACK FROM ADOT.
WE HAVE TO WORK BY THEIR, UM, GUIDANCE AND, UH, BUY IN.
UH, THESE, WE WANNA INCORPORATE A COURSE, UH, ON THE SIM FIVE E, WHICH IS THE 89, A FOREST ROAD CONNECTION AND RANGER CONNECTION THAT WE'D LIKE TO INCORPORATE SOME TYPE OF ACTIVATION PUSH BUTTON FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS TO MAKE THAT SAFER FOR THEM AS WELL.
THIS IS GONNA BE ALL PART OF OUR SHARED USE PATH AND CONNECTIVITY MOBILITY.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT TECHNOLOGY ON TRYING TO MAKE THIS ALL WIRELESS, UM, SOLAR, SO IT'S EASY TO INSTALL, UM, IT'S RELIABLE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WE CAN ADAPT AND CHANGE TO IT AS NEEDS HORIZONS FOR, UH, MOSTLY COST SAVINGS AND FLEXIBILITY.
A QUESTION ON THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE EXISTING SIGNALS.
SO ADOT OWNS THE SIGNALS THROUGHOUT WEST SEDONA, UH, BUT WE HAVE THE ONE IN UPTOWN FOREST ROAD, RIGHT? SO, AND, AND THESE ONES WOULD BE OPERATED, MAINTAINED, OWNED BY ADOT.
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WE'RE GONNA DO IT AND DO THE IMPROVEMENT, ADOT IS GONNA MAKE US MAINTAIN AND PAY FOR 'EM AND REPAIR FOR THEM.SO THAT'S, THIS ENCROACHMENT PERMIT IS GONNA BE VERY, SO WE'RE, IT'S THREE DIFFERENT LEGS HERE.
WOULD WE BE ABLE TO CO WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE ABLE TO COORDINATE WITH OUR SIGNALS UPTOWN, CORRECT.
BUT WHAT, BUT WILL WE BE ABLE TO COORDINATE WITH THE ADOT? THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION WITH ADOT BECAUSE THE, AS I'VE MENTIONED TO YOU BEFORE, THEY JUST UPDATED THE HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE THROUGH 89 A MM-HMM
YOU'VE ALL MENTIONED THAT THERE'S GLITCHES.
ANDY AND I REACH OUT TO ADOT WHEN THEY'RE STILL GLITCHING WORKING THROUGH THE HARDWARE THAT'S WORKING WITH THEIR TRAFFIC FOLKS.
SO YES, THAT'S ALL PART OF THIS.
WE NEED TO WORK WITH THEIR SIGNALS TO TELL US WHEN THESE PLATOONS AND HIGH TRAFFIC IS TO COORDINATE THE, THE, THE SIGNALING SEQUENCING TO GET THOSE LEGS MOVING TO PROVIDE THAT FREE FLOW TRAFFIC.
SO MOST OF THOSE ARE ALL RUN THROUGH ALGORITHMS AND THIS IS WHERE AI IS REALLY COMING INTO USE AND PRACTICALITY.
SO LUCKILY THE MORE CRITICAL CONNECTIVITY IS GONNA BE WITH THE SIGNALS THAT THE CITY OPERATES.
SO
AND THIS TIES INTO A BIGGER DISCUSSION WITH OUR EMERGENCY EVACUATION OF WORKING WITH ADOT THROUGH TRAFFIC CONTROL FOLKS FOR OUR EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER, WHICH IS TIED INTO THE EMERGENCY, UM, SIRENS AND ALL THAT FOR US TO HAVE CONTROL OF OUR DESTINY IN ORDER TO MOVE THESE IN CASES OF EMERGENCIES.
SO WE'LL BE PARTNERING WITH THEM.
UM, WE HAVE TO IN ORDER TO, UM, IMPROVE EFFICIENCIES IN TRAFFIC AND ALL.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COMING TO THE BOARD 'CAUSE THEY'RE REALIZING WE'RE FIXING A REALLY ESTATE ISSUE AS A SMALL, I DIDN'T WANNA SAY THAT.
I'VE SAID IT BEFORE BUT I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT TODAY.
AND SIM FIVE A PORTAL, LANE BREWER ROAD, UM, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, LOS ALDOS, THE ONE WAY IS WE'RE REALLY FINDING GOOD SUCCESS IN THAT.
UH, I'LL COME IN AND REMIND MYSELF TO PUT ANOTHER TRAFFIC COUNTER IN THERE, UM, TO DO THIS OCCASIONALLY JUST TO SHOW WHEN WE FIRST OPEN IT TO NOW AND HOW MUCH TRAFFIC'S BEING USED TO THERE AS WELL.
I'M EXCITED THAT AS LOS SGAS IS FOLLOWING UP ON THE COMMITMENT OF SEPARATING PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC FROM THAT AND HAVING, UM, THEY'RE GONNA NOT ONLY HAVE ONE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT ACCESS PER PEDS FOR THEIR GUESTS AND USERS TO GO INTO RANGER PARK.
AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL EVEN BRING MORE USE OF THAT.
AND WE'RE NOT MIXING PEDESTRIANS IN TRAFFIC.
UM, SO THAT'S DEMONSTRATING VALUE.
AGAIN, THIS IS GONNA HELP, UM, SHOW THAT THIS PROJECT'S GONNA WORK AND IT'S GONNA HAVE, UM, A LOT MORE SUCCESS IN CONNECTIVITY AND RELIEF FUND.
UH, THE PARTNERING, I'M STILL WORKING WITH THE LAYOUT.
WE WENT THROUGH OUR THIRD ONE.
I THINK WE'RE AT THE FINAL STAGES OF BRINGING IN THEIR COMMENTS.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO TO DESIGN AND WITH THEIR 30 60 90 DESIGN, WE'LL BE REACHING OUT WITH THEM AND LOS ADOS AND WE'LL START DOING OUR OUTREACH.
THIS IS A PROJECT LIKE, UH, THE, UH, THE, THE Y ROUNDABOUT METERING.
WE'D LIKE TO DO DESIGN AND BUILD THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
IT'S ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES IN PUBLIC WORKS TO DELIVERY OUR 'CAUSE.
WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
AND NOW WE'RE AT SIM FIVE D, THE RANGER BREWER INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH ADJACENT LANDOWNERS TO GET ALL OF THE EASEMENTS.
UM, IT'S STILL TAKING LONGER THAN I ANTICIPATED, BUT WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, WE HOPE TO HAVE THIS PROJECT, ALL OF THE EASEMENTS, TCES, ALL THAT ARE IN.
SO IT'S A SHOVEL READY PROJECT BECAUSE OUR NEXT STEP IS HOPING TO GET THIS CONGRESSIONAL DIRECTED SPENDING REQUEST.
THAT WAS, UM, SUBMITTED TO, UM, MARK KELLY, SENATOR MARKS KELLY'S OFFICE DONE TWO, THREE WEEKS AGO NOW.
UM, WE'LL BE OPTIMISTIC ON THAT.
AND UM, AND THEN AGAIN, WE WANT TO DO THESE ADJACENT LAND ACQUISITIONS BECAUSE IT VAL PROVIDES THAT VALUE ENGINEERING FOR THE PROJECT WHILE MEETING YOUR, UH, DIRECTION AND HAVING MORE OPEN SPACE AND VARIABILITY, UM, FOR FUTURE PROJECTS WITHIN THE AREA.
UM, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO FIVE E AS YOU REMIND COUNCIL, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE DESIGNER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN BUILD THESE PROJECTS INDEPENDENTLY OR COLLECTIVELY, INCLUDING THE RANGER EXTENSION IT ALL BASED ON, UH, THE AVAILABLE FUNDING.
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AND DEAR MY HEART 'CAUSE I SPENT ALL THE TIME WRITING AND FOLLOWING UP FOR OVER TWO YEARS NOW ON THE ARIZONA STATE LEGISLATURE GRANT.UM, THAT'S BEEN IN A HOUSE BILL AND SUPPORTIVE, WE'VE HEARD GOOD NEWS FROM NACO AND OTHERS, BUT THE, THE, THE LEGISLATURE HAS STILL NOT PASSED THE ARIZONA FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET TO DATE.
UM, SO WE'RE HOLDING OUT THAT HOPEFULLY WE GET THIS.
AND THE REASON THIS IS SO COMPLICATED, BECAUSE IF IT'S STATE REGISTER FUNDING WITHOUT FEDERAL FUNDING, THEN THE CITY WE CAN CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTER THIS PROJECT AND ADOT HAS ALREADY DIRECTED US TO DO SO.
IF WE CAN'T AND WE GET FEDERAL FUNDING, LIKE ROBERT MENTIONED, $1, IT HAS TO BE DONE THROUGH FEDERAL STANDARDS.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO UPDATE THE DRAWINGS TO HAVE ALL THOSE SPECIFICATIONS OF BUY AMERICA AND ALL THOSE FEDERAL STANDARDS, THE DAVIS BACON WAGES AND SO ON.
AND THEN IT'S STILL ON ADOT TO, THEY INDICATED THEY WILL ADMINISTER TO THE PROJECT.
I'VE ASKED IF THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THEIR FIVE YEAR PLAN.
SO, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHEN WE GET FUNDING THEY CAN BE NIMBLE ENOUGH TO, THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS.
I DON'T WANT TO DELAY THE DELIVERY OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO ADMINISTER IT.
SO THEY'VE VERBALLY, UM, NOTIFIED ME THAT THEY, THEY CAN DELIVER THE PROJECT BASED ON THE FUNDING IF THEY HAVE TO BE, IF IT'S FEDERALLY, UM, FUNDED.
SO THREE BIG PROJECTS, UH, WE HOPE WE CAN DO.
AND WE, WHEN WE THESE COME ONLINE, WE REALLY HAVE, UH, FAITH IN KNOWING THAT WE'RE GONNA RELIEVE THAT.
UM, CONGESTION AT THE Y MELISSA, I THREW THIS IN HERE.
SO WHEN WE PUT IN THE FOREST ROUNDABOUT, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAS BEEN ASKED IN THE PAST IS AROUND THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT.
UM, DOES THIS PROJECT INCLUDE THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE PLANNING FOR BREWER TO SORT OF CUT IT DOWN FROM BEING A ROUNDABOUT TO SORT OF, SO WE STILL NEED TO WORK THROUGH THE DETAILS OF WHAT THAT IS AND WE PLAN TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL TO, TO WORK THROUGH THE FINAL, UM, I GUESS ULTIMATE DESIGN OF WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE.
WOULD YOU IMPLEMENT IT AT THE SAME TIME THAT YOU DO FOREST RANGERS STATE ROUTE 89? IT'D BE SIMILAR TIMING.
TIMING, BUT DEFINITELY THE FOREST ROAD ROUNDABOUT WOULD NEED TO BE BUILT AND FUNCTIONAL BEFORE WE COULD REDUCE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF BREWER.
I I PUT THIS IN HERE AS WELL JUST TO KIND OF SHOW OVERALL ON OUR PATH SHARED USE PATH NETWORK AS A REMINDER, UM, THAT KIND OF SHOWS AN OVERVIEW OF HOW ALL OF THIS WILL TIE IN.
AND THEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW, YOU KNOW, TRANSIT SIM PROJECT WITH THIS MULTIMODAL IS TO GIVE THAT CONNECTIVITY AND MOBILITY IN THIS WHOLE AREA.
AGAIN, I THREW THIS CORRIDOR RENDERING IN HERE.
UM, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THAT OVERVIEW OF HOW THIS IS GONNA LOOK.
THIS ONE OF COURSE HAS THE FUTURE TRANSIT HUB OR RIDE EXCHANGE AND HOW THAT LAYS OUT, UM, AT THIS TIME.
AND THEN THIS IS THE SIM FIVE EIGHT PORTAL BREWER EXIT.
UM, THIS WAS THE LAST REVISION THAT WE HAD ABOUT THREE WEEKS, FOUR WEEKS AGO NOW.
UM, I MET WITH, UH, THE LOCAL, UM, MERCHANT ADJACENT LAND OWNERS.
UH, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO LOOK AT BUILDING THIS BRIDGE RIGHT NOW.
I TRIED TO DO WHAT THE MOST, UH, HIGH VALUE COST EFFECTIVE IS.
SO WE MIGHT HAVE TO CHANGE THE, UH, THE AN UH, O BLEAKNESS OF THIS, UM, ONE-WAY BRIDGE, UM, WAS ONE OF THEIR COMMENTS AND SOME OF THIS.
SO THIS WAS ALL TO WORK WITH THEM ON GETTING THEIR PARKING UPDATES.
BUT WE'RE NOT DESIGNING THOSE.
SO ONCE WE MOVE FORWARD AND DESIGN IT WILL ONLY BE WITH OUR PORTAL RUNWAY ROAD.
THEY WILL DO THEIR OWN IN-HOUSE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION FOR THEIR PARKING.
BUT WE NEED TO INCLUDE IT ALL THIS BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME LAND EXCHANGE BASED UPON, UM, THE CITY WANTS TO OCCUPY, OWN THE LAND OF SOLDIERS WASH, WHICH ISN'T RIGHT NOW.
SO WE CAN MAINTAIN AND CLEAN THAT AND MAINTAIN IT AS WE WANT.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, UH, CHANGES IN THAT WHOLE POINT.
SO THIS IS JUST THE CONCEPT OVERVIEW.
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RIGHT NOW TO GET ONTO 89 A FROM BREWER ROAD IS REALLY DIFFICULT IF YOU'RE GOING WEST, DIFFICULT TO GO EAST, BUT IT'S REALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GO 'CAUSE YOU'RE GOING INTO THAT ROUNDABOUT AND IT'S REALLY HARD.SO I DON'T EVEN USE IT ANYMORE IF I CAN HELP IT BECAUSE I FIND THE Y IS BETTER.
YOU CAN BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE, SO IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE OUT ON BREWER ROAD FROM PORTAL ROAD TO BREWER ROAD, RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA BE GOING TO THAT ROUNDABOUT, WHICH IS GONNA HAVE CHANGES TO IT TO MAKE IT MORE USEFUL, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THIS IS BREWER ROAD, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO IF YOU WERE GOING TO LEAVE BREWER AND YOU WANTED TO GO TO WESTBOUND 89 A MM-HMM
YEAH, YOU WOULD JUST SIMPLY ENTER HERE, COME AROUND AND FOLLOW THIS RANGER EXTENSION AND THEN YOU WOULD FOLLOW AROUND AND GO THIS WAY.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS THAT ROUNDABOUT? IS THAT THE FOREST ROAD ROUND? WHAT IS ROUND THAT ON THE ROAD? THIS IS RANGER, THIS IS RANGER BREWER ROUNDABOUT.
NO, THE RIGHT, THIS WOULD BE THE PORTAL.
YEAH, THIS WILL BE THE PORTAL LANE.
SO IF YOU'RE LEAVING THAT MERCHANT, YOU WOULD COME IN HERE.
SO, AND THEN THIS IS OUR RANGER PARK.
SO THIS IS, IF YOU WANTED KIRK, CAN I INTERRUPT THE ROUNDABOUT ON THE, ON THE RIGHT IS THERA UH, THE NEW FOREST ROUNDABOUT? THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING, YES.
SO IS THIS GOING TO GET YOU TO FOREST ROAD BYPASSING BREWER ROAD? YES.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO GET TO BREWER HERE, YOU WOULD JUST SIMPLY STAY IN THIS RIGHT LANE AND YOU WOULD FOLLOW ALL THE WAY INTO BREWER INBOUND TO GO SOUTHBOUND AND LEAVING.
YOU WOULD JUST COME ON THIS ROUTE.
DO, DO YOU HAVE DATA ON, ON HOW MANY CARS AT THE MOMENT? HOW MANY VEHICLES COME OUT? UH, THE ONE THAT THE VICE MAYOR'S TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE COMING OUT ON THAT ROUNDABOUT, NOT THE Y THE REAR RANGER ROUNDABOUT.
HOW MANY ARE TRYING TO HEAD TO WEST SEDONA? DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE THAT DATA? I MEAN, NOT WITH YOU AT THE MOMENT.
I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW THAT DATA BECAUSE, UH, BECAUSE THEORETICALLY THAT'S THE VOLUME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUSH DOWN TO THIS.
SO I'M WONDERING IF, IF THIS IS GONNA ALLEVIATE THAT ISSUE.
SO LET'S SAY YOU'RE COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, HILLSIDE CHAPEL, WHATEVER YOU WANNA, YOU WANNA CUT THROUGH, OR YOU'RE ON BREWER, YOU'RE UP IN THAT NEIGHBOR AND YOU WANNA COME THROUGH AND YOU AND YOU, YOU CUT THROUGH.
ARE YOU STILL, 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE VICE MAYOR'S SAYING ABOUT THAT DIFFICULTY AT THAT PARTICULAR ROUNDABOUT.
YOU CAN'T BREAK IN THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL COMING IN, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP GOING TO THE OTHER ROUNDABOUT.
UM, IS THIS GOING TO ALLEVIATE THAT? I WONDER TWO THINGS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A PROJECTION ON, ON THE RELIEF THAT THIS COULD PROVIDE.
TWO THINGS ARE GONNA HELP WITH THAT.
ONE BY TAKING THE BREWER, THE TWO ROUNDABOUTS AND MOVING THEM APART MM-HMM
THAT INTERACTION FRICTION IS GONNA REDUCE SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING THAT'S GONNA HELP WITH GAINING ACCESS IN THE INTERSECTION IS GONNA BE THE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THE Y.
WE WILL HAVE SIGNAL METERING MM-HMM
AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE SIGNAL METERING AT THE Y WE WANT TO DO THAT NEXT YEAR.
WE WANT TO GET DATA, WE WANT TO SHOW HOW THIS WORKS AND SO ON.
AND WHEN THIS IS BUILT, WE'RE GONNA INCORPORATE SIGNAL METERING BECAUSE REMEMBER WE REMOVE THAT TRANSIT EXIT BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE PREEMPTION WITH THE SIGNAL METERING.
UM, SO THAT'S A BIG HUGE COST SAVINGS ON THIS.
SO THAT SIGNAL METERING IS THE SAME KIND OF THING.
IT KEEPS THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND REDUCES THAT CONGESTION.
AND WHAT WE'VE SHOWN IN OUR STUDIES AT THE Y WHAT FAILS AT THE Y IS WHEN YOU'RE HAVING CUES THAT BACK UP INTO THE Y THEN IT SHUTS ALL THREE LEGS DOWN, WHICH IS FURTHER EXACERBATES THE SYSTEM.
SO THE BIG POINT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW IS NOW WE'RE DOING ALL THESE BYPASSES AND NOW IF WE CAN KEEP IT IN FREE FLOW, WE'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE THOSE ISSUES LIKE WE DID IN THE PAST.
DO YOU ANTICIPATE EVENTUALLY SIGNALS AT THE RANGER BREWER ONE AS WELL? WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE, WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT WHEN IT'S NEEDED, RIGHT? I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO
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OVER, YOU KNOW, PROMISE AND UNDER DELIVER.SO PART OF THIS IS DATA DRIVEN.
AND SO JUST LIKE YOU SAID WHEN WE DID ALL THIS MODELING, UM, REMEMBER THE PREVIOUS SIM UPDATES, THEY SHOWED THE CARS AND THEY WERE SO DIGITAL AND SMALL, THAT'S THE TRAFFIC MODELING.
SO ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN PLANNED OUT AND IT'S THE DATA THAT WE JUST SHOWED, IT'S, IT'S WORKING.
ONE THING IN MIND WITH WHAT COUNCILOR KINSELLA WAS, WAS ASKING ONE PROJECT IN OUR PLAN IS TO PUT IN A SIGNAL AT RANGER 1 79.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS WHOLE CORRIDOR AND HOW WE CAN MAKE IT WORK MORE EFFICIENTLY.
THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT HERE COUNSELOR.
AND THAT AGAIN, IS GONNA HAVE PREEMPTION BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE BUSES BEEN ABLE TO TURN HERE AND GET TO THE HUB OR RIGHT.
EXCHANGE PART OF OUR AGREEMENT, WHICH IS ALL PART OF THIS WARRANT ANALYSIS OF THIS CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENT IS WORKING WITH ADOT TO HAVE THAT RIGHT HAND TURN SLIP LANE THAT WOULD THEN TIE INTO PORTAL FROM RANGER IS HERE AS WELL.
WE WILL GET TO THAT ONCE THE DATA DRIVES IT THAT WE NEED TO DO, UM, THOSE PROJECTS TO FURTHER REDUCE FRICTION.
SO ON THAT SLIDE THAT YOU'RE ON, YOU SEE THE Y AND THE BREWER ROAD AS IS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND IF YOU GO TO THE LEFT, THE FAR LEFT AND THAT NEW ROUNDABOUT, THAT'S FOREST ROAD, RIGHT? MM-HMM
THIS IS THE 89 A FOREST RANGER EXTENSION.
SO WHERE IS THE NEW BREWER ROUNDABOUT ON HERE.
AND YOU'RE GONNA GO FROM THAT ROUNDABOUT TO FOREST ROAD ROUNDABOUT.
THIS IS WHAT OUR, IT USED TO BE A ROAD.
THIS IS WHY THE WHOLE HUGE CONNECTION.
AND SO BOB, THIS TEAM GOT THIS, THIS CONNECTION, WHICH IS JUST THE FIRST PART AND THEN WE NEED TO FINISH WITH THIS RANGER EXTENSION.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE 'CAUSE YOU HAVEN'T DESIGNED IT ELIMINATING THE EXISTING BREWER ROAD ROUNDABOUT, CORRECT? NO, WE, WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR AHEAD OF OURSELVES, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE PUNCH LIST ITEMS THAT WE ARE, WE WANT TO GET THIS, THESE TWO FINISHED, READY TO GO BECAUSE MONEY, UH, FEDERAL OR STATE FUNDS WANT SHOVEL READY PROJECTS.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I CAN GO TO THEM AND SAYING, WE HAVE ALL THE EASEMENTS, WE ALL VALUE THE LAND, THE TCS ARE READY, GIVE US THE MONEY AND WE'LL DELIVER THIS PROJECT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S MY GOAL TO DELIVER FOR YOU GUYS IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND THEN ONCE THAT'S DONE, THEN WE CAN COME IN AND INCORPORATE THIS.
'CAUSE WHATEVER WE DO HERE IS GONNA BE FAR CHEAPER THAN WHATEVER WE'RE DOING ON ALL THESE OTHER PROJECTS.
AND THAT AGAIN, IS REALLY TO REMOVE THIS, AS ANDY MENTIONED, BECAUSE THIS ROUNDABOUT IS CREATING ISSUES IN FREE FLOW FOR THE Y.
SO IF WE CAN GET THIS REMOVED AND MAKE THIS EFFECTIVELY PART OF IT, WE KNOW THROUGH THE TRAFFIC MODELING WE'RE GONNA GET BETTER LEVEL OF SERVICE OR FREE FLOW THROUGH THE Y ROUNDABOUT.
CAN I JUST FINISH? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
UH, BUT I HOPE THAT THAT BREWER ROAD ROUNDABOUT IS VERY CLOSE TO BE BEING IMPLEMENTED AT THE TIME THE OTHERS ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED.
THIS, THIS IS REALLY A SIMPLE, EASY PROJECT COMPARED TO THIS BIG PROJECT.
THIS WOULD BE REALLY AN APPENDIX, UM, TO THIS MAJOR ROUNDABOUT IMPROVEMENT.
AND SO WHY IS IT SIMPLER AND EASIER? 'CAUSE YOU'RE CLOSED SHUTTING, SHUTTING IT DOWN.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT REMOVING IT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE JUST GONNA PUT IN SOME BARRIERS, MAYBE ELONGATE.
SO THE ROUNDABOUT WILL JUST BE A, A RIGHT OUT, A RIGHT IN AND WITH AND, AND MOVING.
SO IT'S REALLY GONNA REMAIN AND FUNCTIONAL, BUT IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE MUCH EASIER TO MODIFY COSTLY AND TIME.
YOU GO BACK TO THE QUESTION OF WHY CAN'T WE REMOVE IT? THAT WAS MY, THAT REMOVE, IF I COULD TAG ON THERE WORD IS, HAS BEEN UNFORTUNATELY A BIT SENSITIVE, KURT.
SO I DON'T THINK HE MEANT WHAT HE EXACTLY SAID THERE.
WE, WE WOULD BE REMOVING THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE ROUNDABOUT, THE, THE ENDING RESULT OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
WE HAVE NOT WORKED THAT OUT YET.
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COUNCIL WITH THAT.CAN YOU SEE THESE LITTLE LINES THAT GO IN THERE THAT'S JUST BASICALLY SHOWING THAT WE'RE JUST GONNA EXTEND THIS CURB LINE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW YET.
WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE YET.
SO THE REASON WHY IT'S SIMPLER IS YOU'RE NOT ADDING FUNCTIONALITY.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING THIS MORE EFFICIENT AND YOU'RE REMOVING SOME OF THOSE CONFLICT POINTS.
THEREFORE IT'S AN EASIER CONSIDERATION FOR ADA THAN ADDING A BRAND NEW INTERSECTION.
KATHY? YEAH, ANDY, YOU, YOU PARTIALLY ADDRESSED THE POINT THAT I WAS GONNA MAKE BEFORE, BECAUSE I KNOW KURT, IN YOUR PRESENTATION JUST, JUST A COUPLE MINUTES AGO, YOU TWICE USED THE TERM, REMOVE THAT ROUNDABOUT AND THEN IN, UH, TWO SENTENCES LATER SAID, WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA REMOVE IT.
AND I THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN MISUNDERSTANDING ON THE DAIS OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS ABOUT THAT.
AND I THINK THERE'S CERTAINLY MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE, IN THE PUBLIC, UM, ABOUT THAT WORDING.
SO I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO WORK ON A WAY OF PRESENTING THAT MORE CLEARLY SO THAT THERE'S A SHARED UNDERSTANDING.
IT'S REMOVING THE FUNCTIONALITY OF IT AS A ROUNDABOUT, BUT NOT REMOVING IT TOTALITARIAN.
SO NOT REMOVING IT UNTIL WHAT? TOTALITY.
REMOVING IT AS A FUNCTIONING ROUNDABOUT AS IT IS.
AND THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WHY CAN'T WE REMOVE IT? UM, THAT'S COULD BE AN OPTION.
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO, IT'S NOT GONNA FUNCTION AS A ROUNDABOUT.
IT'LL BE FAR LESS EXPENSIVE JUST TO MAKE IT, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A SPEED DEVICE.
NO, IT'S, IT'S A WONDERFUL THING.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
ALL I KNOW IS THAT IT'S, IT'S A PROBLEM BEING NEXT TO THE Y AND AND IT'LL ONLY BE RIGHT TURN NOW.
YOU CAN'T CIRCULATE AROUND THAT ROUND.
IT'S NOT A ROUNDABOUT ANYMORE.
IT'S JUST A SPEED DEVIATION IN THE ROAD.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, SO, SO PART OF WHAT WE WANNA WORK THROUGH ON THE, ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE, IS THERE, THERE ARE BENEFITS TO THE CALMING SIDE OF IT AND THERE ARE BENEFITS TO OPENING IT UP WHERE WE WANT TO SETTLE OUT ON THIS.
SO I'M AFRAID TO COMMIT TO A FULL LOOK AT WHAT IT EXACTLY WILL BE WHEN WE'RE DONE.
SO WE, WE DO PLAN TO COME BACK AND, AND SHARE THAT, UM, WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE ON THAT.
SO, SO PERHAPS THE NEXT ONE I'LL HAVE SOME TYPE OF CONCEPT FOR YOU SO WE CAN AT LEAST SHOW YOU SOME OPTIONS.
AND I THINK WE'RE HERE, UH, PORTAL BREWER EXIT.
ANY ANY QUESTIONS HERE? NO, WE'RE GOOD.
AND NOW WE'RE IN OUR STEPS SHARED USE PATH.
UM, I'LL TAKE IT FOR SANDY, UNLESS SHE WANTS TO COME OVER.
IF YOU'VE GOT DETAILS SHE CAN ANSWER FROM UP THERE.
SO AGAIN, ANOTHER GREAT, UM, CELEBRATION OF HOW FAR WE'VE COME SINCE ANDY STARTED THIS WHOLE STEPS PROGRAM.
THE CITY STARTED THE PROGRAM, WELL CITY WITH YOUR DIRECTION AND SO ON.
SO IT WENT FROM ZERO AND HERE WE ARE IN 20, 25 AT NEARLY 10 MILES.
WE'VE GOT, UM, A A LOT OF PROJECTS IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO FINISH UP BY THE END OF THIS, UH, FISCAL YEAR.
UH, CASE IN POINT IS, UM, A LITTLE, LITTLE HORSE, UM, THAT WERE ALREADY OUT IN DESIGN.
WE HOPE TO GET THIS CONSTRUCTED AND INSTALLED.
UH, WE HAVE DRY CREEK, UM, WE'RE FINISHING UP THOSE.
SO AS WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING MOMENTUM AND WE'RE GETTING UP TO SPEED NOW WITH PROJECTS THAT BOB'S COMING OFF OF AND SO ON, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE, UH, AVAILABLE STAFF TO FOCUS ON THAT AS WELL.
AND WE KEEP, UM, LOOKING AT FOR, UM, ALTERNATIVE FUNDING TO, UH, SUPPORT THESE AS WELL.
UM, QUESTION ABOUT THE GREEN LANES.
I BROUGHT THIS UP ANDY TO YOU BEFORE THAT THEY'RE NOT GREEN ANYMORE.
SO I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT PLEASE.
AND I BELIEVE YOU WERE LOOKING AT THAT.
AND AND THAT'S JUST ANOTHER THING THAT WITH MAINTENANCE, YOU GOTTA CONSTANTLY FRESHEN 'EM UP.
UM, BRIAN, I GUESS ALONG THOSE LINES ON SHELBY HEADING TOWARDS
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THE RECYCLING CENTER, THERE'S TWO RAISED CROSSWALKS AND THERE'S LIKE A WARNING OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE 15 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT, BUT THERE'S NO PAINT ON THE CROSSWALKS THEMSELVES.I WILL FREELY ADMIT I'VE LAUNCHED OVER THOSE MULTIPLE TIMES.
I STILL HAVE NOT LEARNED MY LESSON.
UH, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING IF THOSE HAD REFRESHED.
USUALLY THEY HAVE CHEVRONS AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE.
THOSE ARE NOT FRIENDLY ABOVE 15 MILES AN HOUR, UNLIKE THE NEWER ONES THAT ARE FABULOUS AT ANY SPEED.
KIRK, WHERE ARE YOU WITH THE, UM, ADANTE PROJECT TO START? OH, THAT'S, UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S BEEN OUT TO BID, BEEN AWARDED.
THE CONTRACTOR IS, WE'RE WORKING, SANDY'S WORKING WITH THEM TO DELIVER.
WE'RE HOPING THEY'RE GONNA START HERE IN JUNE, UM, AND ACTUALLY START WORK.
UM, BUT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SO MUCH UNDERGROUND WITH, UH, STORM DRAINAGE AND UTILITY RELOCATIONS.
THEY WERE LOOKING AT GETTING MATERIALS AND SO ON, WHICH IS ACTUALLY GIVING US MORE TIME TO WORK WITH, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORS IN ORDER TO REMOVE THEIR, UM, ITEMS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, SO IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF WORKING TO OUR BENEFIT, BUT WE'RE PUSHING THE CONTRACTOR TO START AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THOSE CONFLICTS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF ALL BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
UM, MOST OF 'EM, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH A COUPLE RIGHT NOW AND, UH, HOPEFULLY IT RESOLVES QUICKLY AND IN THE CITY'S FAVOR.
KATHY, CAN YOU JUST REFRESH YOU, WHERE ARE WE, UM, IN TERMS OF THE INTERPRETIVE PA PANELS? OH, THAT'S, SO I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE A BUNCH OF THEM IN HAND AND WE'LL BE INSTALLING THEM.
DO YOU HAVE A TIMEFRAME FOR THAT? I GOT AN EMAIL WHEN I WAS HERE PRESENTING, SO I KNOW THAT THEY'RE BEING FINISHED.
THEY'RE WORKING WITH OUR MAINTENANCE TO GET ALL OF THE HARDWARE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE START TO BE INSTALLED.
I, MY GOAL, UH, COUNSELOR IS TO GET 'EM DONE WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS PAVEMENT AND SO ON.
SO ALL THOSE ASPECTS ARE BEING DONE.
UM, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE, UM, MUSEUM TO GET THE FOUNDATION DONE FOR THE CALL OF THE CANYON THAT'S GONNA GO THERE IN THAT LITTLE PATIO, PINK JEEP TOURS THAT'S HAPPENING.
UM, BUT THAT NEEDS A PERMIT AND WE NEED AN ENGINEERING DESIGN AND SO ON.
SO THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BE DONE WITHIN A MONTH, WEEKS, UM, AS WELL.
AND WE'RE ONLY AN HOUR OVER, THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED AT TWO.
YEAH, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FIVE.
OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO HOURS.
ONE THING WE DIDN'T COVER IN THE SLIDE DECK TODAY, BUT IT'S IN THE PACKET, UH, IS THE, UH, ONGOING OR LONGSTANDING, I SHOULD SAY, NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIONS ITEM.
AND I JUST WANT TO CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, SHIFT DIRECTIONS.
WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT AS NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIONS.
WE TALK ABOUT IT AS EMERGENCY USE ONLY EGRESS, UH, AND WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH OUR COMMUNITY.
I DON'T THINK THE RESULTS OF ONE SURVEY SHOULD, UH, SHOULD DETER US TOO MUCH.
I THINK PEOPLE, UH, DON'T, THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE HEARD EXACTLY WHAT A CHANGE IN, IN STRATEGY MIGHT HAVE BEEN YET.
I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE MORE EDUCATION AND I DO THINK REALLY WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT AS EMERGENCY USE ONLY EXIT, ALTERNATIVE EXIT PLANS, NOT REALLY TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIONS, NOT TALK ABOUT IT BEING OPEN ALL THE TIME EXCEPT FOR EMERGENCIES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN MAKE SOME PROGRESS ON DOING THIS.
I KNOW OUR COMMUNITY IS, UM, REALLY INTERESTED IN EMERGENCY PLANNING AND EMERGENCY EXITS, ALTERNATIVE ROUTES, UH, DURING EMERGENCIES.
AND SO WE SHOULD, UH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO CONTINUE THAT THOUGHT.
COUNSELOR FURMAN, IS THAT STRICTLY FOR EMERGENCY EGRESS OR IS IT A SHARED USE PATH THAT CAN BE USED DAILY BUT ONLY DRIVEN UPON IN AN EMERGENCY? YEAH, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, A CHAIN BLOCKING THESE THINGS OFF FROM CAR TRAFFIC DURING THE DAY OR DURING ALL, ALL THE TIME EXCEPT FOR EMERGENCY.
BUT PEOPLE WILL USE THEM AND WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT IT AS A SHARED USE PATH THAT IS NOT VEHICULAR ACCESSIBLE.
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AND YOU CALL THAT EMERGENCY CONNECTIONS COUNCIL, WHAT WAS THE TERM YOU USED? OH, DON'T ASK ME TO BE THE MARKETING GUY.I I, I'LL SHARE MY NOTES WITH YOU.
SO I, I'D LIKE TO CHIME IN AND SAY I COMPLETELY AGREE.
WE HAVE SO MANY AREAS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT WERE BUILT A MILLION YEARS AGO AND THEY HAVE ONE WAY IN, AND THAT'S ALSO THE WAY OUT.
AND THAT IS DURING AN EMERGENCY GOING TO CREATE ISSUES.
UM, AND QUITE HONESTLY, MANY MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY ARE ALREADY EXPERIENCING ISSUES WITH GETTING INSURANCE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE ROADS ARE NOT CONNECTED.
AND SO THEY DON'T, THEY ONLY HAVE ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.
AND INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE FREQUENTLY NOW USING THAT AS AN EXCUSE, UM, TO EITHER DENY INSURANCE, FIRE INSURANCE, OR TO RAISE INSURANCE SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO I, I THINK THAT THIS REALLY IS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THIS IS, WE NEED TO, TO RETHINK THE DESIGN SO THAT WE HAVE A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE WHEN WE DO HAVE AN EMERGENCY SITUATION HERE.
'CAUSE WE DO STILL, NO MATTER WHAT, YOU GOTTA END UP ON 89 A OR YOU'RE GONNA END UP ON 1 79.
IS THAT A DOCUMENTED ISSUE WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANIES? I KNOW ABOUT THE CANCELING OF INSURANCE, BUT THAT THE LACK OF EMERGENCY EGRESS IS ONE OF THE REASONS.
YEAH, I'VE ACTUALLY HEARD IT FROM SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS THAT THAT WAS THE REASON STATED WAS THAT UM, THE COMMUNITY THEY'RE IN ONLY HAS ONE ROAD IN, IT'S THE SAME ROAD THAT'S OUT.
WELL THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD DO OUTREACH AGAIN, BECAUSE I WAS AROUND DURING THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS PROJECT AND IT WAS A RESOUNDING NO FROM THE COMMUNITY FOR LACK OF INFORMATION.
AND MAYBE WE DIDN'T DO A GOOD ENOUGH JOB IN GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT.
AND WE HAVE NEW INFORMATION NOW AND WE NOW WE HAVE THE FIRE ISSUES THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE 8, 7, 8 YEARS AGO.
SO, WELL, WE ALSO HAVE THE ISSUE THAT FEMA REALLY, WHEN THEY REDREW THE FEMA, UM, HIGH RISK MAP, SEDONA IS NOW IN THE HIGH RISK MAP.
SO, BUT THAT'S WHY IF WE DO IT RIGHT AND WE DO SOME MORE PUBLIC OUTREACH AND MAYBE WE DO SOME SMALLER MEETINGS WITH DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS INDIVIDUALLY, THAT'D BE GOOD.
UM, APPLICABLE TO YOUR CONVERSATION IS WHEN WE FIRST RAN OUT WHERE SIM FIVE D THE BREWER RANGER, A LOT OF THE BREWER RESIDENTS WERE VERY CONCERNED THAT WE WERE CREATING MORE CONGESTIONS WITH THEM, BUT MEETING WITH THEM ONE-ON-ONE AND SHOWING THEM, NO, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
THE STOP SIGN'S WORKING IS VERY LIMITED.
WE PLAN TO HAVE YOU NOW ADD MORE INGRESS EGRESS SO YOU HAVE MORE OPTIONS.
SO THAT'S ELIMINATING THAT CONGESTION POINT.
SO IN AN EMERGENCY THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND THEY WERE, UM, WELCOME AND OPENING AND UNDERSTOOD IT.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU.
[3.c. Discussion/possible action regarding ideas for future meetings/agenda items]
GO TO ITEM D DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING IDEAS FOR FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY.I, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING NAH COME AND TALK TO US.
THEY HAVE ALREADY, WHEN YOU MEAN AGAIN, WE, NO, WE HAD, THEY DID COME, WAS HERE HOW LONG AGO? FOUR MONTHS.
PROBABLY A FEW MONTHS YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN TRAVELING.
WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK, BUT THEY WERE HERE AND PRESENT IT ON THEIR FUTURE PLANS AND CONCEPTS AND RIGHT.
BUT I DON'T RECALL NEEDING TO BRING THEM BACK AGAIN IN THE SAME CALENDAR YEAR.
WELL, IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO SCHEDULE SOMETHING WITH THEM.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO THEM TO SCHEDULE ANOTHER UPDATE.
IS THAT AN UPCOMING MEETING? WELL HOW ABOUT THIS, CAN YOU CHECK AND SEE IF THEY'VE MADE ANY PROGRESS WITH THEIR PLANS OF THEIR PROPERTY THAT THEY COULD SHARE WITH US? AND THEN SO THAT PIECE IS UNDERWAY AT THE STAFF LEVEL.
BUT IT MAY NOT BE SHAREABLE WITH IN A PUBLIC MEETING, UH, AND MAY, BUT IF IT IS, THEN WE COULD COME AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
I'M HAPPY TO TOUCH BASE WITH THEM ON THAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO PICK ONE TOPIC THAT HE REALLY DIDN'T TOUCH ON WHEN HE WAS HERE.
BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T READY TO TALK ABOUT IT, RIGHT? SO MM-HMM
SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS? OKAY, HEARING NONE.
[5. ADJOURNMENT]
WE ARE ADJOURNED.[03:00:01]
THANK YOU.