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FEEL SO INCLINED TO HAND THESE OUT.[Historic Preservation on June 9, 2025.]
THAT TOPIC COMES UP WHEN IT COMES UP.I GOT A COPY OF IT RIGHT HERE, SO.
I PUT ON YOUR DESK, SEND ME, UM, AN EMAIL.
'CAUSE WE'RE HAVING OUR 4TH OF JULY PARTY AT OUR HOUSE.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A A, SOMEBODY COMING FROM NEW YORK TO PLAY CELLO.
UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SPEAKERS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY FROM OUR CON UH, SENATOR'S OFFICE COMING.
BUT SEND ME AN EMAIL AND I'LL SEND YOU AN INVITATION BACK.
PHONE ME PHONE THE OFFICE, AND THEN GIVE YOU YOUR EMAIL.
I'LL WRITE IT DOWN FOR YOU SO I, OKAY.
'CAUSE I, I'M NOT GOOD WITH THAT.
WHERE IN INDIAN GARDENS ARE YOU? EXACTLY RIGHT.
AS YOU GO PAST GARLAND'S ON, ON THE RIGHT, YOU GO BACK, UM, YOU GO BACK, GO ACROSS THE BRIDGE.
BUT DO YOU HAVE THE COAT TO GET IN? OH, YEAH.
THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MY FAULT.
WANTED TO GET UP THERE AND WRAP WITH, UH, LIN MANUEL MIRANDA AND THE CREW DURING TONY'S LAST NIGHT.
DO A LITTLE MIC DROP AFTERWARDS.
UH, WE'LL CALL THIS, UH, MEETING OF THE CITY OF SEDONAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.
UH, GUESS, UH, IF YOU'D ALL STAND AND, UH, JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
MAKE SOME CHURCH AND STATE OVER THERE.
COMMISSIONER WOODS IS EXCUSED.
UH, MOVING ON TO ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO, UH, SHARE STAFF? NO.
UM, I'LL JUST SHARE REAL QUICK, UM, SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING IN MAY, UM, TURN MINE OFF TOO.
UH, UH, WE DID THE, THE SEDONA HISTORIC SOCIETY DID HOST AN EVENT FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, UH, BACK IN MAY, I THINK IT WAS MAY 3RD.
UM, AND, UH, OUR, OUR TURNOUT WAS A LITTLE DISCOURAGED BY, UH, A COUPLE OF FACTORS.
ONE WAS THE MAIL SERVICE, WHICH, UH, DELIVERED, UM, ABOUT HALF THE INVITES I'D SENT OUT BACK TO ME ABOUT TWO DAYS BEFORE THE EVENT.
SO, UH, THAT WAS DISCOURAGING.
AND THEN THE TRAFFIC THAT DAY WAS PRETTY HORRIFIC.
AND WE ACTUALLY HAD A FEW PEOPLE SAY THAT THEY WERE ON THE ROAD AND THEY WERE NOT MOVING, AND THEY WERE TURNING AROUND.
SO, UH, BUT THE FOLKS WHO DID SHOW UP HAD A GOOD TIME.
WE HAD, UH, SEVERAL OF THE, THE LANDMARK PROPERTY OWNERS SHOW UP, AND, UM, THEY ENJOYED GETTING TO KNOW OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS.
UH, THEY ENJOYED, UH, SHARING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WAS SPECIAL ABOUT THEIR, UH, LANDMARKS.
SO, UH, IT WAS A GOOD EVENT ALTOGETHER.
BUT FEW LESSONS LEARNED FOR NEXT YEAR.
ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE WANTS TO SHARE? GREAT.
UH, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 14TH, 2025.
EVERYBODY GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE OVER? MM-HMM
IT'S PROBABLY BEEN A WHILE SINCE ANYONE LOOKED AT 'EM, BUT IF, UH, ANY EDITS, ANY CHANGES? OKAY.
WE WILL SAY THOSE ARE APPROVED.
THEN AS WRITTEN PUBLIC FORUM, THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA.
THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO A RS 38 DASH 4 31 0.01 H, ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO ANY CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
DONNA, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS? NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, DISCUSSION OF THE MAY 28TH HPC MOBILE LANDMARK PROPERTIES TOUR.
UH, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO START
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WITH THERE, UH, GARY, OR DO YOU JUST WANNA, WELL, I, UM, FIRST WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE.I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT SO MUCH, UH, GOING ON THAT TOUR.
AND I WAS, UH, HAD A PRE-SCHEDULED, UH, MEDICAL THING SO I COULDN'T GO.
UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK THE LIST WAS PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE.
I HEARD THERE WAS A COUPLE UPHILL ISSUES AT SOME POINT, AND THAT STUCK SITUATION FOR THE BUS DIDN'T GET STUCK.
WELL, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WAS EVENTFUL OR NOTABLE, UM, FEEL FREE TO PUT IT IN AN EMAIL OR SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD, SHOULD INCLUDE ON A FUTURE SURVEY OF A PROPERTY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, I REALLY WISH I COULD HAVE GONE ON A TOUR.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS HAD A GOOD TIME.
I THINK IT WAS A GOOD TOUR AGAIN.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK COMMISSIONER WOODS, UH, ENJOYED IT.
HE LEARNED, HE GREW UP LIVING IN ONE OF OUR, UH,
I REALIZE I NEED ABOUT $5 MILLION TO BUY THE GAS AWAY HOUSE.
I WANT THAT HOUSE
UH, THE OWNER OF THE GAS AWAY HOUSE, UH, DID REACH OUT TO ME AFTERWARDS AND, AND JUST EXPRESS THAT, UH, HE'S EXCITED THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HE OWNS ONE OF OUR LANDMARKS AND, AND HE, HOW MUCH HE LOVES THE HOUSE.
SO, AND, UH, UH, SAID HE WAS GLAD THAT, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO, TO VISIT.
UH, DONNA, ANYTHING FROM YOUR NOTES THAT YOU WANTED TO SHARE HERE? 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU WERE TAKING NOTES THROUGH THAT HOLE.
JUST CLARIFYING FOR THE MINUTES.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE WANTS TO SHARE ABOUT THAT? WELL, JUST ONE THING THAT WAS INTERESTING, I HAD FORGOTTEN WHERE PUSH MAHA WAS.
AND, AND I THINK WE MENTIONED THIS, YOU KNOW, THE WORK THEY'RE DOING, THEY, THEY DID, UH, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF NO EFFECT, UM, AFTER REVIEW FROM, UH, STEVE MERTIS AND MYSELF.
SO, UM, JUST REPLACING LIKE, FOR LIKE, JUST TO TRY TO IMPROVE IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS DOODLE BA DOODLE BUG RANCH.
UM, THIS IS NOT THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY.
IT IS, IT WAS, IT IS NOT IN THE STATE THAT IT WAS WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED.
IT HAS A SECOND FLOOR ADDED TO IT.
AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IS DO WE KEEP IT, UM, A LANDMARK OR HOW DO WE QUALIFY IT? YOU KNOW, PUT AN ASTERISK BY IT, OR WHAT DO WE DO? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, WHEN WAS, WHEN WAS IT LANDMARKED ORIGINALLY BACK IN THE, IT WAS BACK, UH, VERY EARLY INTO THE, UH, COMMISSION.
UH, HE'S GOT THE BOOK, BUT IT WAS ONE OF THE EARLY ONES BECAUSE FRAN BRUNO REALLY WAS EXCITED ABOUT LANDMARKING, VERY AWARE THAT HAD BEEN ALTERED AND CHANGED, BUT THERE WERE PARTS THAT WERE ORIGINAL.
AND I THINK SOME HAS BEEN UPGRADED SINCE THEN.
SO, I BELIEVE, WAS IT GARLAND'S THAT OWNED THIS? MM-HMM
I BELIEVE THEY DID A FAIRLY EXTENSIVE RENOVATION.
I, I BELIEVE THE GARLANDS WERE THE ONES WHO DID THAT.
UH, IT WAS LANDMARKED IN 2009.
NO, I'M THINKING OF SOMETHING ELSE.
YEAH, YOU'RE THINKING SADDLE ROCK CROSSING.
I'M THINKING SADDLE ROCK, BUT DOODLEBUG.
I DIDN'T, I WAS NOT FOR DOODLEBUG RANCH LANDMARKING.
I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, I WAS NOT FOR IT BECAUSE OF THE ALTERATIONS AND THE CHANGES.
SO IT IS, IT IS NOTED ON THE, ON THE SURVEY AND ON THE, THE LANDMARK THING HERE, WHAT IT READS IS, UH, I JUST HAD IT AND I JUST LOST IT.
UH, SECOND STORY, BEDROOM AND BATHROOM AND OUTDOOR PATIO WERE ADDED IN 19 86, 87, KITCHEN REMODELED ADDING DINING ROOM AND LAUNDRY ROOM IN 1997, SO THAT THE NORTHWEST WING INCLUDED NEW WINDOWS, DOORS, ROOF, AND FASCISTS.
UM, SO IT WAS LANDMARKS DESPITE THOSE CHANGES.
NOT, AND, AND THAT WAS NOT CHANGED AFTER THE LANDMARKS.
THE ONLY THING THAT, THAT I WAS OKAY WITH WAS, IT'S THE BACK PART WHERE THE GARAGE IS.
THE, THAT'S ORIGINAL HAS NOT BEEN MESSED WITH.
I WAS NOT, I DID NOT WANT TO DO, I WAS KIND OF OUT VOTED ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE ORIGINAL, AND
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO ABOUT IT, BECAUSE I, WELL, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING FOR US TO DO BECAUSE IT WAS LANDMARKED DESPITE THOSE CHANGES.WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD CALL SHIPPO AND FIND OUT WHAT THEY WOULD DO? WELL IF WE, IF WE, IF WE LANDMARKED IT AND IT WASN'T APPROPRIATE AT THE TIME, ALL WE'RE DOING IS CRITICIZING THAT RIGHT GROUP THAT THE TIME MM-HMM
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WORTH GOING DOWN THAT ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PRODUCTIVE THAT WOULD NOT CHAIR.
THERE'S ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SIGNIFICANT, BUT YEAH.
PLEASE TIES WITH INDIVIDUALS SUCH AS WHO, WHO, UM, CONSTRUCTED THE CHAPEL, THE HOLY CROSS.
SO SOMETIMES IT'S NOT ENTIRELY ABOUT THE STRUCTURE, IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE PLACE, TOO.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NO, THAT'S A, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT, GARY.
UM, YOU KNOW, MARGARET STA, UM, LIVED THERE.
SHE'S THE ONE WHO, WHO VERY, VERY BRIEF HAD THE, UH, HAD THE IDEA FOR THE, THE, UH, CHAPEL, THE HOLY CROSS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BEEN OWNED BY NOTABLE, UH, SEDONA FIGURES OVER THE YEARS TOO.
WELL, AND MORE RECENTLY, AND WITH ALL THOSE ADDITION, THAT WAS, UH, DAN, UH, GARLAND MM-HMM
THAT DID A LOT OF THAT, BECAUSE I FIRST SAW IT WHEN HIS KIDS WERE YOUNG AND EVERYTHING.
BUT, UM, THAT WAS WHEN I REALIZED HOW MUCH IT HAD BEEN ALTERED.
BUT THE ONLY PART WAS THE BACK PART OF THE GARAGE.
ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE MIGHT DO IS IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT A NEW OWNER NOW AGAIN, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO INCLUDE IT IN PART OF THEIR HOTEL.
WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO SEND THEM A LETTER THAT IT IS LANDMARK.
UM, AND WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE AND WHAT THEY WOULD NEED TO DO.
BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY BACK EAST, UM, HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON.
THEY GO, OH, YEAH, IT'S LANDMARKED.
SO I THINK MAYBE BRINGING THEM UP TO SPEED ON WHAT WE EXPECT FROM THEM WOULD BE IMPORTANT.
WELL, ANOTHER THING TOO IS THEY'RE NOT FROM BACK EAST.
THEY'RE WESTERN AND THEY'RE GOING TO TURN IN POCO DJA BE RENAMED.
IT'S GOING TO BE WESTERN THEME.
AND, UM, I, SO THEY'RE NOT EASTERN THINKING THAT WHAT THEY'RE THINKING IS BUNKHOUSE STYLE.
AND WELL, THAT WE'RE MOVING A LITTLE FARFIELD FROM WHAT, BUT, BUT WHAT, WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS THAT, UM, I AGREE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THE CITY DOES? ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT DOODLE BUG RANCH? YEAH.
UM, I HAVE NO IDEA IF THAT'S SOMETHING, I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN ALWAYS WRITE TO A PROPERTY OWNER AND LET HIM KNOW WHAT SURE.
SO THAT'S NOT OUT OF THE REALM OF, I THINK ESPECIALLY, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR LANDMARK PROPERTY, I, I DO FEEL LIKE THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE THING TO DO, ESPECIALLY ONE THAT'S, UH, THIS WILL BE THE SECOND OWNERSHIP CHANGE SINCE I'VE BEEN IN TOWN IN LESS THAN THREE YEARS.
SO, UM, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A GOOD IDEA.
IS IT SOMETHING THAT, UM, POTENTIALLY WE SHOULD COMPILE JUST A GENERAL YEAH.
INFORMATION THING ABOUT HISTORICAL PRESERVATION AND SEND IT TO ALL LANDMARKED PROPERTY OWNERS.
JUST AS AN ANNUAL REMINDER? JUST AS AN ANNUAL REMINDER.
WE'RE GONNA PUT THE WORK IN THE DEVISE ONE.
DO ONE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
AND IT'S A, A HEALTHY REMINDER, ESPECIALLY GIVEN SOME OF THE THINGS WE SAW ON THE TOUR.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THEN THAT, UM, STAFF PUTS TOGETHER A LETTER THAT WOULD COVER, UH, ALL LANDMARK PROPERTIES, UH, THAT WOULD BE SENT OUT WHEN CONVENIENT, JUST REMINDING THEM OF KEY FACTS AND OBLIGATIONS REGARDING THEIR PROPERTY.
BUT WE CAN DIRECT STAFF, UH, MOTION.
NO, BUT I, AS THE CHAIR CAN DIRECT STAFF TO DO THAT.
SO I WILL DIRECT STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND PRODUCE A LETTER ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, THE MOTION THAT WAS NOT MADE,
WE'LL PUT THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA.
ANYTHING ELSE? THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD TOPIC OF CONVERSATION.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING IS, UH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE GAS AWAY HOUSE.
UM, EVEN THOUGH STRUCTURALLY IT APPEARED TO BE JUST FINE, UH, AND THEY EVIDENTLY HAD PUT A NEW ROOF ON IT SOMETIME IN THE RECENT PAST.
BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S LACKING A LOT.
AND, UH, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT.
AND NORMALLY, IF IT'S JUST THE INTERIOR, I WOULDN'T EVEN BE BRINGING THIS UP.
BUT THE EXTERIOR, SOME OF THE COLLABORATIVE, UH, BOARDS HAVE FALLEN OFF PROPERTY.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE CONDITION OF SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, KEY,
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UH, ELEMENTS IN THAT PROPERTY.WELL, IF WE DO THIS LETTER, I THINK WE COULD ACTUALLY PULL THAT ONE OUT AND ACTUALLY SAY, UM, IN LOOKING AT YOUR BUILDING, WE NOTICED THERE WERE MM-HMM
ISSUES THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED MM-HMM
AND WE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
'CAUSE WE KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO KEEP THE PROPERTY YEAH.
AND YOU MAY ALREADY BE ADDRESSING THEM, BUT COULD YOU PLEASE GET BACK TO US ON WHAT YOU, YOUR PLAN IS TO MITIGATE SOME OF THIS WATER DAMAGE AND FOUNDATION PROBLEM.
BUT I HAVE TO SAY FOR A, A RUBBLE FOOTING, UM, IT'S HELD UP FAIRLY WELL.
WELL, JUST A NOTE, BACK IN THE EARLY 1990S WHEN I FIRST SURVEYED IT, IT LOOKED ABOUT THE SAME WAY MM-HMM
AND I'M, I WAS, YOU KNOW, THINKING THIS IS HOLDING UP REALLY WELL, BUT YES, IT DEFINITELY HAS THINGS THAT NEED FIXED.
IS THIS NOT GONNA STAY THAT WAY FOREVER? IF IT IS NOT FIXED, I ABSOLUTELY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME CARE DONE.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ONE? UM, OKAY.
UH, DISCUSSION OF THE, UH, ARIZONA STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE OR SHIPPO FUNDING CRISIS.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW, UH, IF EVERYONE RECEIVED, UH, AN EMAIL, STEVE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THIS EMAIL OR JACK, UM, FROM, UH, WHY AM I BLANKING ON HIS FIRST NAME? JIM, JIM MCPHERSON, WHO'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE ARIZONA HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, SENT OUT AN URGENT LETTER TO, UH, HIS MAILING LIST ANYWAY, UM, AND, AND I RECEIVED IT.
I DON'T KNOW, UM, GARY, DID YOU RECEIVE IT? I SOUNDED LIKE MAYBE YOU WERE AWARE OF IT WHEN I SENT IT TO YOU, BUT, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU SENT IT TO ME OR I GOT A DIRECT COPY OF IT.
UM, BUT, UH, SO I ASKED THAT IT, IT BE BROUGHT UP HERE.
AND SO, UM, I'M NOT GONNA READ THE, THE FULL FIRST LETTER, BUT I DID ASK JIM FOR AN UPDATE.
AND SO, ESSENTIALLY, UH, THE BACKSTORY IS THAT, UM, FEDERAL FUNDING FOR SHIPPO, UH, IS, IS, UH, RAPIDLY EVAPORATING.
UM, THAT, UM, THE, THE FEDERAL MONIES FOR THE REMAINDER OF FY 25, WHICH IS COMING TO AN END, WERE NEVER RELEASED.
UH, THAT, UH, FEDERAL MONIES FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, HAVE BEEN ALL BUT ELIMINATED FROM THE PROPOSED FY 26 BUDGET, WHICH THE SENATE IS DEBATING RIGHT NOW.
UH, AND THEREFORE, THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE COULD RUN OUT OF MONEY AS SOON AS AUGUST AS IN LIKE TWO MONTHS FROM NOW.
UH, AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT WOULD BE THAT SHIPPO WOULD DISAPPEAR.
UM, THE CLG PROGRAM WOULD DISAPPEAR BECAUSE THERE'D BE NOBODY TO OVERSEE IT.
UH, FEDERAL GRANT MONIES WOULD BE GONE.
STATE GRANT MONIES THAT ARE DISTRIBUTED FROM FEDERAL, UH, SOURCES WOULD, WOULD DRY UP.
UH, AND WE DID, WE WOULD NOT HAVE SHIPPO'S RESOURCES WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, APPLYING FOR NATIONAL REGISTER LISTINGS, UH, IF THE NATIONAL REGISTER WOULD EVEN STILL EXIST AT THAT POINT.
UM, SO THERE'S SOME VERY REAL CONSEQUENCES TO THAT.
UM, AND SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO BRING EVERYONE'S ATTENTION TO THAT AND BE AWARE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO THE, UM, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CUTTING OFF IMLS FUNDS, UH, INSTITUTE FOR MUSEUM AND LIBRARY SERVICES, UH, NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE ARTS FUNDS, NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE HUMANITIES FUNDS, NOW HISTORIC PRESERVATION FUNDS HAVE BEEN, HAVE BEEN WIPED OUT.
SO, UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH WE CAN REALLY DO.
I THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO EITHER BE PUSHED TO THE STATE AND THE STATE'S GONNA HAVE TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE YEP.
TO DO WHAT THEY FEEL, WHICH PROBABLY IS JUST THE LITTLEST THEY CAN AFFORD.
BUT I THINK IT'S JUST, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REALITY OF GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
WELL, ANOTHER THING TOO IS IT BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT FOR LOCAL CITIES.
LOCAL CITIES FUND ARE GONNA HAVE TO STEP UP FOR WHATEVER RESOURCES THEY CAN COME OUT.
I KNOW SOME CITIES HAVE NOTHING.
SOME HAVE A LITTLE, BUT IT'S GONNA COME DOWN TO LOCAL AND THAT'S COULD BE GOOD, OR WHATEVER THAT CITY'S GOT.
SO I DON'T THINK THEY'VE EVER PASSED A LOT OF MONEY DOWN TO THE CITY LEVEL.
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A LOT OF TEACHING AND A LOT OF RESOURCES.AND, UH, MY GUT FEELING IS THE STATE WILL STEP IN, I THINK, AND KEEP THE STATE ARCHEOLOGIST AND SOME OF THESE KEY PEOPLE.
UH, BUT THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE FOUGHT AT ANOTHER LEVEL.
I THINK WE'VE GOT A SERIOUS PROBLEM IN THAT REGARD.
AND THAT IS THAT THE STATE IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A BUDGET BY THE 30TH OF THIS MONTH.
THEY ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE, WHICH MEANS NOT ONLY HAVE WE GOT A PROBLEM NOT HAVING THE BUDGET, BUT THAT STATE GOVERNMENT BY AGENCY WILL START TO SHUT DOWN.
SO WE HAVE REALLY A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
WELL, THEN IT BECOMES EVEN MORE IMPORTANT, WHATEVER WE CAN DO LOCALLY.
IT BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT LOCALLY, WHICH IS WHATEVER YOU CAN DO.
AND I DO KNOW THERE ARE SOME CITIES, THIS WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE, UH, CONFERENCE HOW CONCERNED AND WORRIED AND, UH, NOT, AND NATE, UH, HAS EVEN GONE FURTHER IN-HOUSE.
UM, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULDN'T IMPACT OUR EXISTENCE AS A LOCAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, UM, BUT IT WOULD IMPACT SOME OF THE WORK WE DO.
UM, JIM, I ASKED, UH, I, I ASKED JIM FOR AN UPDATE TO SHARE TODAY.
AND SO, UH, MOST OF HIS UPDATE IS, IS WHAT I ALREADY TOLD YOU.
BUT, UM, UH, HE DID ASK THIS AND I'LL, I'LL JUST READ THIS FROM HIS EMAIL AND I CAN FORWARD THE EMAIL, DONNA TO YOU, UH, LATER.
BUT, UH, IT SAYS, AS PRESERVATION PROFESSIONALS WHO WORK DIRECTLY WITH SHIPPO AND UNDERSTAND ITS VITAL ROLE IN PROTECTING ARIZONA'S HISTORIC RESOURCES, YOUR VOICES CARRY SPECIAL WEIGHT WITH STATE LEGISLATORS.
I WOULD BE DEEPLY GRATEFUL IF THE SEDONA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION COULD CONSIDER ONE PASSING A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING EMERGENCY STATE FUNDING FOR SHIPPO TWO, CONTACTING YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES TO EMPHASIZE SHIPPO'S IMPORTANCE TO SEDONAS PRESERVATION EFFORTS AND ECONOMIC VITALITY.
AND THREE, SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCES WORKING WITH SHIPPO TO DEMONSTRATE THE PRACTICAL VALUE THEY PROVIDE TO LOCAL COMMUNITIES.
SO IT REALLY IS, UH, UH, ADVOCATING TO OUR STATE, UM, REPRESENTATIVES AT, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE POINT TIME TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TO DO IT.
UM, UM, I DON'T, IS THERE ANY ACTION WE CAN TAKE? UM, CAN YOU WRITE A LETTER OF SUPPORT TO SOME, BUT, OR WE HAVE TO AGENDIZE IT AND GO THROUGH ANOTHER MEETING? CAN WE DO AN EMERGENCY STATUS THING? SOMETHING IN AN EMERGENCY BASIS? I BELIEVE, UM, I BELIEVE I CAN ASK FOR A VOLUNTEER.
I BELIEVE I CAN ASK FOR A VOLUNTEER TO STEP UP AND DRAFT A LETTER.
STAFF CAN ASK FOR A VOLUNTEER
WELL, I'M JUST THINKING OF THE LOGISTICS OF, UM, IF A VOLUNTEER WERE TO DRAFT IT, IF IT'S TO GET THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMISSION, IT NEEDS TO BE ON AN AGENDA AND VOTED ON.
BUT GIVEN THE TIME CONSTRAINTS, IF YOU WERE TO ASK FOR A VOLUNTEER TO WRITE A LETTER THAT COULD AT LEAST BE SENT ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION, UH, JUST, UH, WOULD THE STATING, STATING WE, WE WOULD HOPE FOR, WOULD THE CITY COUNCIL TAKE A FENCE THAT WE WERE, WE WERE STEPPING TO THEIR SHOES? HMM.
WELL, WELL, YOU COULD CERTAINLY, WE CAN CERTAINLY PICK A VOLUNTEER AND THEN FROM THERE I CAN WORK WITH LEGAL AND, AND SEE WHERE IT GOES AS FAR AS WHAT WE CAN DO AS FAR AS A RUSH ORDER OR
YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S URGENT, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW THE AVENUES.
I BELIEVE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS PART OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OF THIS CITY, AND IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT A DRAFT FROM THE CITY MM-HMM
UM, THAT'S WHY IF YOU DID WANT TO HAVE A VOLUNTEER DRAFT SOMETHING, IT COMES FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AND COMPASSIONATE LEVEL OF, OF, YOU KNOW, A BODY THAT'S INVESTED IN THIS TYPE OF COMMUNITY ASPECT.
AND THEN STAFF COULD MAYBE POLISH THAT UP AND, AND WORK IT THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND THEN THAT WAY IT'S NOT A, FROM THE COMMISSION NECESSARILY 'CAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO VOTE ON IT AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, SO MM-HMM
BUT AGAIN, IF YOU WANTED TO DRAFT SOMETHING, I CAN CERTAINLY TAKE THAT AND TAKE IT TO LEGAL AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH IT.
I, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING, I BELIEVE THE STAFF COULD SELECT A VOLUNTEER, AND WITH THE COMMISSION'S BLESSING AS A BODY, IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO BACK TO
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A FUTURE MEETING IF THAT VOLUNTEER IS ACCEPTED AS THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE COMMISSION.IF IT, IT PASSES LEGAL, WE SHOULD BE FINE.
SO, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO VOLUNTEER TO DRAFT THAT LETTER? I, I WILL.
IF NO ONE ELSE WANTS TO, I I'LL DO THAT.
I THINK COMING FROM THE COMMISSION HEAD WOULD BE GOOD.
UM, THEN I WILL DO THAT AND SHARE THAT WITH YOU, GARY, AND, UM, YOU CAN SHARE THAT WITH KURT AND, YEAH.
SO, YEAH, IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT GREAT OUT THERE FOR MUSEUMS AND PRESERVATION AND LIBRARIES AND ALL THAT, UM, BACK TO THE FIFTIES, BUT WE WILL, WE WILL DO THE WORK WE CAN AS BEST WE CAN.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, ON THAT OR COMMENTS OR ANYTHING? UH, WITHOUT STRAIN INTO THE POLITICAL
WE'RE GONNA START SEEING LIKE THAT ON ALL ASPECTS OF GOVERNMENT.
UM, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO KEEP OUR EYES AND EARS OPEN AND, AND, UH, NAVIGATE A NEW WORLD.
UH, IF THAT'S CLOSED, UM, DISCUSSION OF INVITING SHIPPO TO SEDONA HPC OLOGY TRAINING.
TAKE IT AWAY, HAN AT, AT THE TIME WE KNEW, BUT I'VE GOT ADRIANA URBAN ALREADY SIGNED UP FOR OUR AUGUST 11TH MEETING TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
AND I THOUGHT, WELL, SHE'S A DYNAMIC SPEAKER.
SHE'S A LOT OF FUN, CUTE AS A BUG, AND, UH, JUMPS ALL OVER IT, JUST REALLY ENTERTAINING.
SHE DOES LITERALLY JUMP ALL OVER
OH, SHE, SHE, YOU KNOW, AND I TOLD HER SHE LIVES IN FLAGSTAFF, SO I WOULD, WE TAKE HER TO DINNER, BUT, UH, SHE'S OUT ON HER SCHEDULE TO COME DOWN.
UH, IT, IS IT TIMELY AT THIS TIME? PROBABLY NOT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU, WE WOULD HAVE TO LET HER KNOW THAT WE DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA CONTINUE.
OH, WHEN I SAID TIMELY, I JUST MEANT THE DISCUSSION.
UM, NO, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE HER DOWN AND WE JUST NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY VERIFY.
THINK DONNA, OR YOU MAY HAVE TO CALL HER AND CONFIRM, BECAUSE SHE PUT IT ON HER CALENDAR AT THE TIME WHEN I WAS TALKING TO HER, AND WE, I SAID WE WOULD CONFIRM.
SO EITHER DONNA OR GARY WOULD HAVE TO CHRIS, HAVE TO COME FORWARD.
SHE WOULD SPEAK TO WHAT GROUP? OUR GROUP, YES.
BUT SHE WOULD COME HERE TO OUR, IT WOULD BE, I THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT, EXCEPT THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY INVITE A COUPLE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE TO COME HEAR IT.
UM, I THINK THE, THE BIGGER PICTURE IS IF THE CITY, IF THE STATE'S NOT, IF THE FELLOW GOVERNMENT'S NOT FUNDING THE STATE MAY NOT FUND, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY ASK, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH OUR GROUP? MM-HMM
SO I, I THINK THERE'S A BIGGER PICTURE WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND MM-HMM
SO WE, AND WE ALWAYS HAVE TO SELL OURSELF TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND THERE'S ALWAYS THAT QUESTION, WHAT DO THEY DO? WHY ARE WE DOING IT? SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF, UH, SHE'S COMING DOWN.
WE SHOULD GET A, A COUPLE PEOPLE HERE WHO CAN HEAR WHAT WE DO.
I THINK THAT'S THE BIG PROBLEM WITH SOME OF THESE COMMISSIONS IS THE CITY COUNCIL DON'T REALLY KNOW, UH, WHAT ACTIONS WE TAKE AND WHAT WE DO.
WE DON'T SELL OURSELF VERY WELL.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO INCLUDE THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL.
SO WHO IS IT THAT WILL SOMEBODY EITHER DONNA WILL HAVE TO CONFIRM? YOU SAID IT WASN'T OUR JOB DATE? WELL, NO, I, I BELIEVE, UH, AND, AND GARY, MAYBE THIS IS SO YOU AND I JUST NEED TO WORK OUT, BUT STEVE GENERALLY TOOK THE LEAD WITH DIRECT, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SHIPPO.
AND WHAT WAS HER NAME AND WHEN WAS SHE COMING? UH, SHE'S COMING ON AUGUST 11TH FOR OUR FOUR O'CLOCK, UM, MEETING, UH, COMMISSION MEETING.
U-R-B-A-N, URBAN ARIANA URBAN PLANNING.
AND SHE IS RECENTLY MOVED TO FLAGSTAFF, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT HER UP, BUT WE WILL NEED TO TAKE HER TO DINNER.
IS THAT DEPENDENT UPON SHIPPO'S FUNDING IN AUGUST? I WOULD HAVE TO THINK IT'S CONTINGENT UPON THAT.
UM, BUT WELL, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY.
SHE WILL HAVE SOMEONE TAKE HER TO DINNER IF I HAVE TO
I THINK THE QUESTION IS DOES SHE HAVE A JOB,
WELL, SHE'S, SHE'S GOT A, A FIST FULL OF JOBS.
SHE DOES A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS, WHICH SHE BOTH, BUT YEAH.
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SO, OKAY.I, I, I THINK LET'S PROCEED AS IF SHE, SHIPPO WILL EXIST, UH, AS IF ARIANA, ADRIANA, ARIANA, ADRIANA, UH, URBAN WILL, WILL HAVE, UM, THAT ROLE AND, AND CAN COME SPEAK TO US IN THAT REGARD.
SO SHE JUST NEEDS TO HAVE CONFIRMATION.
AND IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S THROUGH AUGUST THAT THE FUNDING IS GONNA BE THERE.
NOT AT THE BEGINNING, AT THE END.
SO SHE WOULD STILL BE IN THAT TEMPORARILY
THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER STUPAC FOR, UM, TAKING IT UPON YOURSELF DURING THE, THE MEETING TO, TO TALK TO HER AND, AND, UH, PUT OUT THAT INVITE.
UM, DISCUSSION AND PRIORITIZATION OF PROPERTIES TO ASSESS FOR POSSIBLE LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF, UH, OF OUR, UH, DISCUSSION.
WE STARTED A COUPLE MEETINGS BACK, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING TO IDENTIFY, I KNOW COMMISSIONER STUPAC, UH, HAS IN FRONT OF US A, UM, A LIST OF, OF PROPERTIES SHE'D LIKE TO GO OUT AND SURVEY FIRST, UH, AS A FIRST STEP TOWARDS POSSIBLE MM-HMM
I KNOW THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, YOU'VE HAD SOME, SOME CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNERS OF, OF NICK'S.
WELL, ACTUALLY I, MY CONVERSATION HAD BEEN WITH THE TENANT, THE TENANT MM-HMM
WHO WAS RUNNING THE RESTAURANT.
AND, UM, AND HE DOESN'T SEE, UH, ANYTHING THAT WOULD STAND IN THE WAY OF LANDMARKING THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, APPEARS TO BE FAVORABLY IMPRESSED.
SO, UM, BUT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR, FOR JONATHAN TO CALL ME BACK AND, UH, AND THEN WE'LL GET TOGETHER.
AND GARY AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS TOO, THAT HE'D BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION WITH, UH, WITH THE TENANT.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WANTED TO HAVE THAT ON THE TOP OF THE LIST.
IT HAS TO BE SURVEYED MM-HMM
AND I TALKED TO HIM TOO, AND HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, WHAT CAN I DO INSIDE? I SAID, ANYTHING YOU WANT? YEAH.
AND THEN HE KNEW HE'D BEEN TALKING TO YOU VERY, THAT'S RIGHT.
SO, BUT THIS LIST THAT I HAVE MADE UP, THE FIRST STEP IS, EVEN THOUGH ACAL, THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CEMETERY, WHICH THEY DON'T WANNA LANDMARK, YOU KNOW, UH, THE ELKS LODGE, THEY NEED TO BE LAND, THEY NEED TO BE SURVEYED SO THAT WE HAVE OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION ON SURVEYS.
AND, UM, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO GO UP AND TALK AT, TO GET TO SKY LODGE.
AND, UM, I'LL STILL WORK ON THAT.
BUT I THINK THE TWO NICKS AND THE DOM WOODS HOME ARE THE ONES THAT I THINK CHURCH OF THE RED ROCKS, UM, NEEDS TO BE SURVEYED.
AND THERE'S SOME CONDITION, UH, HOW MUCH HAS BEEN ADDED TO MAKE IT, IT NO LONGER QUALIFY.
THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS IS THE FIRST ADDITION, THE, THE FIRST BUILDING, BECAUSE THEY'VE ADDED TWO BUILDINGS TO IT.
THEY'VE ADDED, UH, THE FIRST ONE WAS NOT THAT ONE WITH THE STEEPLE.
THAT WAS NOT, NO, I KNOW THAT WAS THE SECOND ONE.
RIGHT? UH, THE FIRST ONE IS THIS RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN THAT ONE, AND THEN 1994 WAS THE ADDITION OUT THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW, UH, IF IT IS ALTERED SO MUCH, BUT THEY, THE, UH, SANCTUARY IS THE SAME.
THAT HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE THE SIXTIES.
BUT, UM, THAT'S WHY I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT BE ON THE LIST OF THINGS TO BE THE TROUBLE WITH ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THAT IS GETTING THEM TO APPROVE IT.
UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA GET A GROUP THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO SIGN OFF THAT'S GOING TO BASICALLY LANDMARK AND MAKE IT SO IT CAN'T BE CHANGED IN THE FUTURE.
AND I'VE JUST FOUND WITH DEALING WITH GROUPS, UM, IT'S, YOU DON'T HAVE A PERSON WHO CAN MAKE A DECISION.
YOU HAVE A GROUP YOU, YOU GROUP THINK SO.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S GONNA BE A TOUGH ONE.
I THINK YOU WOULD BE TOO, TOO.
I'VE, I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED IT AND HAVE NO NEGATIVE.
I'M NOT OFFICIALLY JUST SORT OF, I JUST HAVE A FEAR OF SMALL GROUPS.
I, I DON'T BLAME YOU
BUT, UH, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER, THE SUN DOWNER BAR THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER.
DO YOU REMEMBER HOW LONG IT'S BEEN THERE? AT LEAST IT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER.
I, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN IT WASN'T THERE.
AND THAT GOES BACK INTO THE LATE, THE EARLY SEVENTIES.
AND THE SAME THING WITH JUDY'S RESTAURANT WAS THERE IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES AS
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PARSLEY SAGE IN TIME WAS A, THE TROUBLE WITH, WITH THESE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, THE COMMERCIAL OWNERS WOULD BE SHORTSIGHTED TO LANDMARK THEIR PROPERTIES BECAUSE IT REALLY LOCKS THEIR INTO NOT REMODELING OR DOING ANYTHING.UH, SO I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULDN'T ASK, BUT I'M JUST SAYING ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, IT JUST DOESN'T KIND OF MAKE SENSE.
UM, WELL, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S LOOKING AT THE PLAZA AND DUTIES.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO THAT, THAT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR DECADES.
AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME, I'D LIKE TO SEE A LOT OF THOSE BUILDINGS ON WEST SEDONA KNOCKED DOWN AND REBUILT JUST BECAUSE, WELL, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S HOW SOCIETY WORKS.
AND IF IT'S SIGNIFICANT, I GUESS IN MY MIND IS IF IT'S SIGNIFICANT, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
AS OPPOSED TO JUST KIND OF BEING A LITTLE STUCCO PLACE THAT'S BEEN REPAINTED 10 TIMES.
WELL, I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ACTUALLY.
WHO USED IT, WHO THAT? WELL, NOW JUDY AND NICK WERE VERY, THEY'RE WELL KNOWN.
UM, SO, BUT RAINBOW RAVE AND THE SUN DOWNER, THAT'S AN, THAT'S JUST A, THAT'S JUST BEEN HERE FOREVER.
IT'S LIKE EVERY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HANGING OVER AT THE BAR, IT'S WHAT'S LEFT.
THERE ISN'T MUCH LEFT OF THAT STUFF ANYMORE.
BUT WAS IT A FAMOUS PERSON THERE? PROBABLY NOT.
AND IT, IT'S, BUT THEY KEEP FIXING IT.
THERE'S KEEP BA AND FIXING IT, BUT RAINBOW RAY FOCUS, I REALLY WANNA, I'D LIKE TO GET JUST EVEN IF NOTHING MORE TO SURVEY IT.
AND I, AND I THINK WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS, UM, UH, KAREN, IS, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, DOING THE SURVEYS THE FIRST STEP TO, TO KNOWING IF WE'VE GOT SOMETHING TO LANDMARK ANYWAY.
AND, AND IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT NOT GO ANYWHERE AS AS SEA SAID EXACTLY.
SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE SURPRISED AS SEA, WHO KNOWS.
BUT THE FIRST STEP TO, TO DOING IT ALL IS, IS SURVEYING IT.
AND THESE ARE ALL PROPERTIES THAT HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT, UH, WHERE THERE ARE THE PROPER AGE TO BE SURVEYED.
AND SO IT'S A GOOD FIRST STEP.
AND, AND WE KNOW A COUPLE OF THE OWNERS WHO ARE, ARE INTERESTED.
AND I, AND I'M REALLY, UM, THINKING NICK'S AND DON WOODS HOME SINCE THEY'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
LET'S GO ON THAT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN SHOW THE CITY COUNCIL WE'RE DOING SOMETHING.
I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA DO THE, THE WAY, IF YOU WANNA COORDINATE WITH COMMISSIONER WOODS TO, TO GET A COUPLE OF THOSE SURVEYS DONE, UH, AS YOU GUYS DID WITH THE RIGBY HOUSE, UH, I THINK, UH, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
WE, BECAUSE LIKE, I, I WANNA DO NICK'S AND THEN THE DOM WOODS HOME.
'CAUSE I THINK THOSE ARE, ARE ALMOST A DONE DEAL, THEY SOUND LIKE FOR SURE.
SO WE'LL GET THE, I'LL DO THOSE FIRST WITH, UH, BOBBY.
UH, HE SAID THAT HE WOULD HELP ME WITH IT, AND SO THAT'S GOOD.
CHAIR, CAN I INTERJECT? YES, PLEASE.
WHEN, WHEN WE DO THESE SURVEYS, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU PREFER PREFERABLY THAT IT'S DONE IN WORD OR TYPED OR SOMETHING MM-HMM
BUT ALSO I DESPERATELY NEED DIGITAL COPIES OF ANY PHOTOS TAKEN.
UM, 'CAUSE THE ONES THAT ARE EMBEDDED IN THE IMAGES OR THE DOCUMENTS, THEY'RE JUST TOO DIFFICULT TO SCAN AND, AND REPRODUCE.
SO IF YOU CAN GET ME THE DIGITAL COPIES, THAT'S KEY.
UM, AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE PERMISSION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER FIRST, CORRECT.
FOR YOUR SAFETY? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, I, I'M NOT GONNA ATTACK THAT ONE.
AND RAINBOW RAY FOCUS THIS OF ANYBODY THERE.
AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT JUST RIGHT DOWN AND MAKE SOME
I WOULD LOVE TO FIND SOMEBODY AT HOME THERE.
I'VE KNOCKED ON DOORS THAT'S GOT THE ANSWERS.
SO I THINK THIS IS GREAT, AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT WE'VE GOT A COUPLE WHO WE KNOW, UH, ARE GOOD POSSIBILITIES FOR LANDMARKING.
SO I THINK, UH, LET'S KEEP IT MOVING.
AND DEFINITELY, UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR AND, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS ARE GOOD, LIKE WE DID WITH THE RIGBY HOUSE.
'CAUSE SOME OF THE ONES ARE NOT THE GREATEST.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE ON, UH, MY MARKED PROPERTIES? ANYONE WANT TO ADD? MM-HMM.
UH, MOVING ON TO DISCUSSION ON LETTER TO COUNCIL REGARDING THE RIGBY HOME.
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THIS.I WAS LIKE, WHAT IS THIS? UH, SO THIS IS, UH, WE, COMMISSIONER SIGNER HAD, AT OUR LAST MEETING BACK IN APRIL, VOLUNTEERED TO, UH, WRITE A LETTER, UM, ABOUT WHAT WE DISCUSSED, UM, AT THE LAST MEETING WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T TAKE FORMAL ACTION AND REQUEST THAT, UH, AND TY FUTURE OWNER'S HANDS OR T COUNCIL'S HANDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT JUST TO PUT INTO THE RECORD THAT, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN WHATEVER PLANS, UM, COME OUT OF, OF THAT, THAT, UM, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THEM MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO PRESERVE THAT HOUSE WHEN THE TIME COMES TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
SO, UH, THIS WAS COMMISSIONER SIGNER'S LETTER THAT, UH, HE DRAFTED UP.
SO COMMISSIONER SEOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE LETTER?
UM, CAN WE, UH, ATTACH THIS TO, UM, THE LAND, UM, THE WAY THAT THAT'S DESIGNATED WITH THE CITY, ANY BUILDING OVER 50-YEAR-OLD AT THE CITY, IF IT GOES TO GET KNOCKED DOWN, THERE'S A WAITING PERIOD.
I KNOW THERE'S A, IT IT, IT POPS UP.
THEY HAVE TO PHOTO DOCUMENT IT.
WELL, THEY HAVE TO, THERE'S A WAITING PERIOD WHERE WE CAN COME BACK AS THE CITY AND WE CAN HOLD IT.
UM, SO IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN ATTACH THIS TO THAT FILE? SO THERE'S NOT A WAITING PERIOD IN THE LDC? YEAH.
UH, WE PASSED IT ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A PERIOD OF COOL OFF PERIOD WHERE WE COULD, ON HOMES DESIGNATED OVER 50 YEARS OLD, WE COULD, WE HAVE A 48 HOUR, 72 HOUR DEMOLITION HOLE.
IF THE CITY CAN THEN COME AND DO SOMETHING.
BUT I'M SAYING THAT IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT ONE THERE.
I I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE LDC OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PART, AND THEY JUST HAVE TO, UM, LIKE NATE SAID, THEY HAVE TO TAKE PICTURES.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A PHOTO EVIDENCE, AND THEN THEY CAN DEMO THE HOME.
SO WE DON'T, WE CAN'T PUT A HOLD.
UM, 8.7 F DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC RESOURCE.
UH, NO PERSON FORMED CORPORATION OR OTHER ENTITY SHALL DEMOLISH A LANDMARK OR CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR CAUSE OR ALLOW SUCH DEMOLITION TO BE DONE.
UM, LEMME GET TO THE NON, UH, LANDMARK, UM, ARCHITECTURAL DOCUMENTATION PRIOR TO DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN PART ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WITH LATER ADDITIONS, OR IN THEIR ENTIRETY, 50 OR MORE YEARS OLD, MUST INCLUDE ARCHITECTURAL DOCUMENTATION TO PROVIDE A PERMANENT RECORD OF BUILDINGS OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE BEFORE THEIR LOSS.
DEMOLITION APPLICATIONS ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
THESE REGULATIONS APPLY TO ALL DEMOLITION PERMITS, RE PERMIT REQUESTS INVOLVING BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN PART OR IN THEIR ENTIRETY, 50 OR MORE YEARS OLD, BUT ARE NOT INDIVIDUALLY LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC PLACES, AND DO NOT MEET THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
HISTORIC PLACES OR DESIGNATION AS A LANDMARK, UH, DOCUMENTATION IS NOT REQUIRED.
IF THE DEMOLITION WILL BE LIMITED TO AN ADDITION THAT IS LESS THAN 50 YEARS OLD, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
REVIEW REQUIRED, THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT DOCUMENTATION IN CONJUNCTION WITH A DEMOLITION PERMIT APPLICATION APPLICATION SUBMITTAL.
THE DOCUMENTATION WILL BE REVIEWED AND FOUND COMPLETE PURSUANT TO THIS ARTICLE PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A DEMOLITION PERMIT.
UM, THIS'S AS CLOSE TO THAT AS IT GETS.
SO THEY JUST HAVE TO GIVE US DOCUMENTATION ON THE BUILDING BEFORE THEY KNOCK IT DOWN.
I THINK WHAT PORTION THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IS FOR LANDMARK PROPERTIES, WHICH IS, UM, 8.7 F TWO A C NOTICE OF DEMO DEMOLITION.
UM, IT SAYS IF DEMOLITION IS APPROVED, THE PROPERTY OWNER MAY BE REQUIRED TO PUBLISH NOTICE AT LEAST 10 DAYS PRIOR TO THE SCHEDULED DEMOLITION DATE TO THE NEWSPAPER.
GENERAL CIRCULATION ONLY LANDMARKED.
WELL, THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.
BUT THEN I THINK WHAT WE WANNA DO IS GET IT IN THE HANDS OF P AND Z SO THAT WHEN THEY COME TO BUILD ON THAT PROPERTY, P AND Z IS GONNA ASK THE QUESTION.
UM, I GUESS MY IDEA, HOW, HOW DO WE, WHAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO DO THAT? SHOULD WE JUST MAIL THIS? BUT IF THEIR P AND Z'S NOT ACTIVELY WORKING ON A A PROJECT, DOES IT REALLY GET ATTACHED TO ANYTHING? WELL, I SORT OF, UM, WORKED WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ON THIS A LITTLE BIT.
AND FIRST, THE FIRST QUESTION WAS, IS THIS NOT ALREADY A LANDMARKED PROPERTY? IT'S, AND I SAID, WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS THE FIRST SURVEYED PROPERTY PER OUR, OUR, OUR SURVEY.
IT WAS THE FIRST ONE DONE, BUT IT WAS NEVER LANDMARKED, BUT
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IT WAS NEVER LANDMARKED.SO WE'RE JUST CURIOUS WHY IT WASN'T, I BELIEVE THE PROPERTY OWNERS DIDN'T WANT IT FOR A WHILE.
WELL THEN IT WAS, THEN IT WAS WAS THEY SAID, OH, IT ISN'T WORTHY OF IT.
THERE WAS A SURVEY THAT SAID IT HAD BEEN ALTERED TO 91.
UH, BUT, AND IT, BUT I WAS THRILLED WITH IT.
AND, UH, I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT GO ANYWHERE.
'CAUSE I KNEW THE R BEES, BUT THAT'S PERSONAL.
BUT HERE'S THE THING THAT I LEARNED AT OUR, UH, CONVENTION OR, UH, THE, UH, THING WE WENT TO THE IS I KNOW THE CURRENT OWNER DOES NOT WANT TO LANDMARK.
BUT WHAT, AND THEY DO WANNA BUILD APARTMENTS, WHICH IS A WONDERFUL THING.
BUT HERE IS A THOUGHT THAT I GOT AT THE CONFERENCE.
DOES, WHY DON'T THEY PATTERN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THE STYLE OF THE HISTORIC HOME, KEEPING THE HOME AS A CENTER, LIKE AN OFFICE OR SOMETHING, AND MODEL THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN KEEPING WITH THAT HOME SO THAT IT CAN BE PRESERVED.
AND YET THEY HAVE A VERY SPECIAL COMPLEX, THAT'S JUST AN IDEA.
I THINK IT, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, I THINK WE'RE ABOUT FOUR STEPS AHEAD OF OURSELF.
YOU KNOW, I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST KEEP OUR AIR OPEN AND KIND OF FOLLOW THIS AND THEN, THEN WHEN IT ACTUALLY KNOWS THAT IT WAS SOLD AND THEY'RE GONNA SUBMIT TO THE CITY, THEN IT GETS TO THE RIGHT PERSON.
OR WE COULD SEND THIS TO P AND Z, BUT IT MIGHT BE FOUR YEARS LATER BEFORE P AND Z SITS IT, SEES IT.
SO, UH, BUT I DO, I LIKE YOUR IDEA.
AND I THINK THAT BY SAVING IT, IT ALSO, I KNOW P AND Z'S GONNA SIT DOWN AND SAY, WELL, WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME MORE OF THIS IF YOU CAN GIVE US SOME OF THAT.
AND SO I THINK THIS IS AMMUNITION THAT THEY COULD USE, UH, SOMEBODY WE SHOULD CONTACT, UM, IN THIS REGARD, UH, MAKING THE, THE HOUSE PART OF THE DESIGN OF THE PROPERTY MM-HMM
IS, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF PHOENIX HAS DONE ON SEVERAL PROPERTIES MM-HMM
AND ESPECIALLY IN THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND, UM, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY CONTACT THEM FOR SOME RESOURCE MATERIAL AND SO THAT THEY'VE DONE SO THAT P AND Z HAS SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.
THEY SHOWED WHEN WE WENT TO THOSE, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
UH, SO THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, I THINK.
UH, BUT I THINK WE'RE JUST MAYBE JUST A LITTLE AHEAD OF OURSELF.
I THINK AT THIS POINT, I THINK AT THIS POINT, THE THING TO DO IS, IS SUBMIT A LETTER JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE ARE INTERESTED.
WE'VE GOT OUR EYES ON THIS PROPERTY.
WE'RE INTERESTED IN SEEING THE PRESERVATION.
UH, AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT AT A PLACE WHERE THEY DOESN'T, I GUESS THE REASON I THREW OUT THAT INFORMATION IS IT'S ON RECORD THAT I SAID THIS.
AND THAT IT CAN BE REFERRED BACK TO AT SUCH TIME WHEN IT IS PERTINENT.
BECAUSE TO ME, THAT WOULD BE A WAY OF SAVING.
AND IT WAS VERY INTERESTING AT THE CONFERENCE WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, SUCH, THIS TYPE OF THING AND SHOWING A LOT.
WELL, ADRIANA WILL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THIS THAT THEY'VE DONE RECENTLY DOWN THERE AT HER WHEN SHE'S HERE IN AUGUST.
GARY, WERE YOU GONNA HOP IN THERE? I'M SORRY.
I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, UH, MEGAN, IF, HAVE THEY NOT ALREADY ALREADY APPLIED FOR A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AT THAT 50 TRANQUIL? UM, YEAH, THEY APPLIED FOR A ZONE CHANGE, UM, BACK IN DECEMBER.
WE SUBMITTED COMMENTS BACK TO THEM ON JANUARY 16TH, AND WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN A REPLY.
SHOULD, AND THAT'S JUST FOR A ZONING CHANGE THOUGH.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO BE MORE TIMELY.
YOU MIGHT WATCH FOR THAT ZONE CHANGE REQUEST TO COME FORWARD YEAH.
TO PNZ AND SPEAK AT THEIR MEETING IN THE COMMENT PERIOD.
BECAUSE TO SUBMIT IT NOW, WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS BACK, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S GONNA BE PURSUED.
YOU COULD BE SITTING HERE FOR A YEAR OR MORE YEAH.
AND ALSO, UM, PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY TO ADD THINGS INTO THE ZONE CHANGE.
UM, SO WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET MORE THINGS OUT OF THE ZONE CHANGE THAN IF THE, IF THE, UM, ZONING WAS CHANGED AND THEN TRY TO ADD IN THE THINGS LATER.
SO, LIKE DONNA SAID, MAYBE GO TO THE MEETING, MAKE P AND Z AWARE THAT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WANNA KEEP FOR HISTORIC PURPOSES, AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO ADD THAT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
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SO I WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE JUST WAIT AND KEEP AN EYE ON IT.I THINK WE'LL ALL BE, WE'LL ALL BE WATCHING IT.
JUST, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, MEGAN HAVE, UM, THEY SUBMITTED A, UM, CONCEPTUAL PLAN AT ALL? NO.
THEY, THEY HAVE NOT, UM, DONE ANY CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
THEY'RE JUST WANTING TO DO THE ZONE CHANGE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, THEY WANNA SELL THE PROPERTY.
THEY WANT, UM, MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING BUILT ONTO IT.
UM, BUT THEY CAN'T FIND A DEVELOPER BECAUSE NO DEVELOPER IS WILLING TO TAKE IT WITH THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL ZONING IT CURRENTLY HAS.
I THINK WE'RE JUST WATCH AND WAIT.
I, I DON'T SEE THIS SOMETHING BEING RESOLVED QUICKLY.
BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH, UH, 11, UH, KATHY LEVI, THE, UH, SHE'S P AND C.
SHE WAS VERY INTERESTED IN THE SURVEY.
WE JUST DID, WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
GARY, WERE YOU GONNA HOP IN THERE? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, SOMETIMES IT, IT TAKES A MONTH TO GET THINGS GOING.
'CAUSE WE MEET, YOU KNOW, ONCE A MONTH.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS LETTER'S BEFORE YOU, SO IF YOU WANT TO ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM IT AND, UM, DIRECT THE COMMISSIONER TO REVISE HIS LETTER, I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN PUT THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA IF YOU'D LIKE.
JUST AS A IF, 'CAUSE IF IT'S A GENERIC STATEMENT ABOUT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AND YOU WANT THE COUNSEL AND THE COMMISSION TO KNOW ABOUT IT, THEN, I MEAN, THERE'S NO TIME LIKE THE PRESIDENT PRESENT.
WELL, THAT'S, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH OF SENDING A COPY TO P AND Z AND THE CITY COUNCIL JUST SAYING THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE INTERESTED IN.
SO I SEE NO REASON AND, AND NOT TO SEND IT OFF.
I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING.
THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO SUBMIT A LETTER TO P AND Z, WHICH THEN GOES TO, TO COUNCIL ANYWAY.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S, YEAH, IT GETS THE, WE AT, IT GETS THE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE KIND OF UP AND AWARE AND FRONT AND CENTER WHEN IT STARTS TALKING ABOUT IT.
AND THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE THE ACTION HAPPENS WHEN THEY START ASKING THE QUESTIONS.
SO IF YOUR INTENTION IS TO MOVE THAT, THAT'S BEFORE YOU FORWARD, THEN I WOULD JUST SAY THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO VOTE AND SAY, AS WORDED WITH, WE'RE GONNA PUT ON A LETTERHEAD, OF COURSE, SIGNED BY THE CHAIR.
UM, AND DIRECT US WHEN TO SUBMIT THAT, UM, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I SEE A HAND WAVING OVER HERE, AND MY GUESS IS IT'S GONNA SAY THAT, UH, WE ARE AGENDIZED FOR DISCUSSION, NOT ACTION
UM, SO, SO IF WE CAN'T VOTE ON IT, LET'S JUST PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA AND DO IT THEN.
UH, IN THE MEANTIME, WE'LL KEEP OUR EYES ON IT AND IF IT COMES UP, I THINK WE'RE ALL IN CONSENSUS.
UH, LAST THING ON OUR REGULAR BUSINESS REPORT ON THE 2025 ARIZONA HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONFERENCE, WHICH, UH, IMAK IS, IS I, I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF BECAUSE
UH, THERE WERE A FEW I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE GONE TO, BUT
AND IT, THE ONES WE WERE IN WERE ALL AT THE, UH, WALTER CRONKITE AT THE, UH, WALTER IGHT BUILDING, UH, THE, UH, A SU UH, CAMPUS.
BUT, UM, WE WERE STAY, WE STAYED AT THE SPRING HILL SUITES IN DOWNTOWN PHOENIX AND, UH, CHECKED IN ON MAY 13TH.
UH, LOVELY SUITE, EVERYTHING GOOD THERE.
UH, AT, UH, 9:00 AM TO 12 NOON ON MAY 14TH, UH, WEDNESDAY, UH, WE WENT TO THE ONE DISCUSSING HOW TO PREPARE A NATIONAL REGISTRY, A NOMINATION, UH, BASICS TO THE BEST PRACTICES, UH, BUREAUCRACY TO BUSINESS.
SHIPPO HISTORIAN BILL COLLINS WAS THE LEADER WITH GUEST SPEAKERS WITH IN-DEPTH TRAINING, UH, NATIONAL PARK SERVICE GUIDANCE, UM, ASPECTS OF NOMINATION PROCESS AND LOCAL PRESERVATION
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OFFICERS, KEEPER OF THE NATIONAL REGISTER WAS THERE.AND A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION.
I GAVE DONNA A BIG, SHE CAN HOLD IT UP IF SHE CAN CARRY IT, BUT THAT'S A BIG BOOK,
AND, UH, THOUGH, THAT WAS THAT MORNING.
AND THEN AT 1:00 PM TO 5:00 PM THE SAME DAY, EV ADRIANA URBAN TALKED TO US ABOUT, UM, THE, UH, UH, UM, CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
AND, UH, SHE WENT ON DETAILS HOW TO DO IT.
SHE IS A DYNA DYNAMIC SPEAKER.
UH, IN THE EVENING WE WENT TO THE ABBEY ON MONROE STREET FOR A BUFFET AND THE ELIZABETH RUFFNER KEYSTONE ANNUAL AWARD, UH, WHICH TO, UH, WHICH WAS REALLY INTERESTING.
UM, THEN ON THE NEXT DAY, AT 10 30 AT NOON, AND WE HAD AN INTRODUCTION TO THE WESTERN CHAPTER OF ASSOCIATION FOR PRESERVATION TECHNOLOGY FOR MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDINGS, SITES, UH, LANDSCAPES, ARTIFACTS RELATED TO, UH, THEN ONE 40 TO TWO IN, UH, INNOVATIONS IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION OUTREACH, HOW TO ENGAGE COMMUNITIES, YOUTH MINORITY GROUPS AND SO FORTH.
NEXT ONE WAS EDUCATION AND PRESERVATION OF FRANK LLOYD WRIGHTS FOUNDATION AT TALIA AND WEST.
THIS WAS NOT WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.
ALL THEY WANTED TO KNOW IS WHAT THEY DO WITH THESE LITTLE HUTS.
WHAT DO WE DO WITH THEM? THEY'RE FALLING APART.
THEY SAID, PUT A STONE LANDMARK ON THEM.
BUT THAT WAS ALL THAT WAS ABOUT
AND, UM, THEY, UM, THAT EVENING WE WENT TO THE GOVERNOR'S HERITAGE PRESERVATION HONORS AWARDS.
AND THE ONE LOCALLY HERE, WHICH YOU MAY ALL KNOW ABOUT, WAS, UH, GIVEN TO, UM, CLARKDALE FOR PRESERVING THE GAZEBO, WHICH I GUESS WAS QUITE A FIGHT.
BUT THEY WON THE, UH, AWARD, ONE OF THE AWARDS FOR THAT.
AND, UH, THAT WAS, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS THINKING ABOUT.
THEY WOULDN'T SUPPORT HER, BUT SHE WAS THERE AND WE CHEERED.
UM, BUT THEN THERE WAS A RECEPTION LATER AT THE ARIZONA CENTER, AND THAT WAS WHERE OUR ILLUSTRIOUS LEADERS SAID, HEY, WHAT YOU GUYS DOING
UM, AND THEN WE, UM, MADE MANY GOOD CONNECTIONS AND IT WAS AMAZING ON HOW MANY PEOPLE, BOBBY WOODS, COMMISSIONER WOODS KNEW.
AND SO I MADE SOME CONNECTIONS.
I KNEW SOME, UH, PEOPLE FROM THE HOPI MAC'S, WHICH 'CAUSE THEY HAD A THING GOING THERE.
AND, UH, SOME GOOD CON UH, WILLIAMS CLARKDALE, UH, UM, FLAGSTAFF, PRESCOTT COTTONWOOD, UH, LONG WERE REPRESENTED AND MADE SOME GOOD CONTACTS THAT WAY.
WE WERE GOING TO GO, UH, TO ABOUT BAR ABOUT THE BARRIO ON FRIDAY, BUT NONE OF THE PARKING LOTS IN A FIVE MILE RANGE WERE OPEN.
SO WE JUST SAID, SEE YA WENT HOME.
ALL IN ALL, I WOULD SAY IT WAS WORTHWHILE.
I LEARNED A LOT AND MET PEOPLE THAT WERE REALLY IMPORTANT AND I THINK WILL BE IMPORTANT WITH THE, UH, SITUATION WITH FUNDING AND STUFF.
I THINK THESE ARE GONNA BE PEOPLE WE'RE GONNA WANT TO KEEP, UH, HELPING IF WE CAN OR ANY WAY WE CAN WORK THINGS OUT THROUGH THE STATE AND LOCAL COUNTIES.
AND SO ANYWAY, I WAS GLAD THAT, UH, I WANT, AND I THINK DONNA DIDN'T, UH, BOBBY WOODS, DIDN'T HE GIVE YOU A WHOLE THING? UH, HE WAS GOING TO WRITE UP A COMMENTARY ON THE CONFERENCE.
WELL, WHEN YOU'RE BABYSITTING GRANDCHILDREN,
SO ANYWAY, BUT I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I'M, THAT I WAS ABLE TO GO AND I, THE NEXT ONE NEXT YEAR WILL BE IN FLAGSTAFF AND I WILL BE, I WILL BE ATTENDING.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER STUACK ON THAT? GOOD.
WELL THANK YOU FOR THAT RUNDOWN.
UM, AND FOR ATTENDING, UM, FUTURE MEETING DATES, OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING'S JULY 14TH.
WE'LL, WE'LL STAND HERE AND SING LA MAR MARC.
WE DON'T NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
OH, ANYTHING SPECIFIC YOU WANTED ON QUESTION? OH, I'M SORRY, I SKIPPED OVER.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE AGENDA ITEMS SPECIFICALLY? UM, DO WE NEED TO, TO MOVE THAT LETTER OR ARE WE GOOD? CAN
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WE SUBMIT? CAN IT BE SUBMITTED? I, I THINK IF IT'S GONNA BE THE 14TH WE PUT ON THE AGENDA DISCUSSION OF FUNDING AND SHIPPO AND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH SHIPPO ON THE STATE LEVEL FOR AN UPDATE, I THINK WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IT.WE'LL KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
WELL, AND ALSO IF WE COULD PUT ON THE AGENDA, I'M HOPING THAT SOMETIME IN THE NEXT MONTH, UH, BOBBY AND I, UH, COMMISSIONER WOODS AND I CAN GET OUT AND DO A COUPLE OF THESE, UH, SURVEYS.
ANY SURVEYS, PLEASE, UH, LET, LET US KNOW WHEN THEY'RE COMPLETED.
UH, AND WE'LL GET 'EM ON THE AGENDA.
JUST MAKE SURE THAT, YEAH, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, NOT TOO LONG AGO, UM, THE STATE HAD SPONSORED ONE OF THESE, UM, EVENTS AND IT KIND OF FOCUSED ON PHILANTHROPIC ORGANIZATIONS THAT WOULD SUPPORT OUR WORK AND THE WORK IN SHIPPO.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING, UH, IF THERE ARE ANY OF THOSE LEFT.
UH, PROBABLY, UH, I, FROM LAST YEAR'S CONFERENCE, I BROUGHT BACK A, UM, A LIST OF THOSE FUNDERS THAT WERE NOT NECESSARILY JUST GOVERNMENT FUNDERS.
UM, I COULD RECIRCULATE THAT, I COULD BRING THAT BACK AND WE COULD RECIRCULATE IT, UM, NEXT MEETING, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF WHAT'S OUT THERE.
UH, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT COMMISSIONER SE SUGGESTED.
I'M SORRY, WHAT IS
IT'S, IT'S IN OUR OLD BOARD PACKETS, UH, BUT I COULD DIG IT UP AGAIN, BUT IT WAS, UH, FROM, FROM LAST CONFERENCE, IT WAS FUNDING, HISTORIC PRESERVATION WAS A SESSION, AND IT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, HERE'S GOVERNMENT SOURCES, BUT HERE'S NON-GOVERNMENT SOURCES FOR, TO, TO LOOK AT LIKE FOUNDATIONS, THAT KIND OF THING.
AND THAT NUMBER MAY ACTUALLY HAVE GROWN BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GONE ON.
SO, UM, AND AGAIN, WE MAY HAVE MORE CLARITY.
OH, ANOTHER THING, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, ISN'T THE, SOME OF THE PROCEEDS FROM OUR STATE LOTTERY ISN'T THAT OUT DESIGNATED FOR HISTORY.
AND I KNOW FOR PARKS AND STUFF IT IS, BUT I, I THINK IT'S JUST PARKS.
I, I WOULD LOVE TO CHECK TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING, I THOUGHT THEY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION THAT MAY HAVE BEEN, WELL, I THINK, I THINK WE'LL KNOW AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'LL KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE WHERE THERE BUDGET LANDS.
PART, PART OF IT'S FOR EDUCATION AND, AND THAT MAY PUT US IN THAT PARTICULAR PIGEONHOLE.
THEY GENERALLY CONSIDER IT FORMAL EDUCATION, BUT MAYBE, YEAH.
ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD FOR NEXT AGENDA? ANYTHING ELSE FURTHER? THAT'S, UH, IF THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA, THEN MY QUESTION WOULD BE, SHOULD WE SKIP A MONTH? I THINK THE TIMELINESS OF THAT ONE, UM, MIGHT SUGGEST WE SHOULDN'T MM-HMM
SINCE YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, AUGUST 11TH, I BELIEVE IS THE, YOUR AUGUST DATE, AND I WILL BE OUT OF STATE AND MEGAN WILL BE PITCH HITTING FOR ME.
IF YOU HAVE A MEETING IN AUGUST, THAT USED TO BE A MONTH THAT WE TOOK A BREAK.
WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT ARIANA COMING IN NOW.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S SIGNIFICANT THEN IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE STAFF TIME.
I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S CONSIDERATE.
AND I, I LIKE THAT YOU'RE THINKING THAT WAY.
I DO THINK THAT MEETING NEXT MONTH IS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA GIVEN THE, THE STATE OF THE FUNDING.
AND, AND LIKE YOU SAID, I THINK AT THE VERY LEAST, EVEN IF THERE'S, I MEAN, POTENTIALLY WE'VE GOT SOME SURVEYS TO LOOK AT, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, WE'VE GOT SOME, SOME THINGS TO DISCUSS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN THE STATE.
UH, AND HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT US.
SO, UM, AND WE MIGHT THINK ABOUT GOING DARK THE FOLLOWING MONTH, SEPTEMBER.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW THE CITY COUNCIL LOOKED AT IS HOW MANY MEETINGS WE HAVE, AND THEY PUT A COST TO EVERY MEETING.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST, YEAH.
I, I WOULD BE, WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO GOING DARK ON TALK SEPTEMBER.
WELL, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, UH, WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO A CLOSE AND ADJOURN AT 5:03 PM OKAY.
SO SHE'S GOING, WHO THE HELL'S THAT? HEY,
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YOU WERE SAYING THANK YOU PAULA, TO ME.