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          OKAY. 
          GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. 
          WE'RE NOW GONNA CONTINUE YESTERDAY'S MEETING. 
          MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR JALO. 
          HERE. 
          VICE MAYOR PLU. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILOR DUNN? HERE. 
          COUNSELOR FOLTZ. 
          PRESENT? COUNCILOR FURMAN? HERE. 
          HERE. 
          OH, WHAT, WHAT? I'M SO SORRY. 
          AWESOME. 
          BECAUSE HE THREW ME OFF. 
          I'VE GOT A PROXY COUNSELOR. 
          KINSELLA ALSO HERE. 
          COUNSELOR F UH, HE'S NOT HERE YET, BUT I THINK HE'S ON THE WAY. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL SHOW HIM HERE WHEN HE, WHEN HE WALKS IN. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, AT LEAST WE'RE STARTING OFF ON THE RIGHT TRACK. 
          SO ON THE, UM, THE AGENDA HERE, WE HAVE PD TO START NOW, BUT WE'RE GOING TO PUT THEM DOWN, UH, THE LIST A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND WE HAVE AMBER, WHO'S THIS IS GONNA BE HER FIRST TIME PRESENTING FOR US, SO LET'S BE CALM WITH HER. 
          GENTLE, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          JOANNE, CAN YOU SHOW COUNCILLOR FAF AS BEING HERE? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOW SHE CAN, GEE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. 
          WHAT? . 
          SO LIKE THAT, THAT GOOD? OKAY. 
          AMBER, ARE YOU READY FOR ME? WELCOME. 
          I'M, I'M READY FOR YOU. 
          YEAH, IT WAS AN INTERESTING NIGHT LAST NIGHT, SO I SAW IT ON MY TEXT AND IN THE EMAIL. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, WELL, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN HEAR EVERYTHING. 
          DO TRY TO STAY CLOSE TO THE MIC BECAUSE THEY ARE I KNOW. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          IS THAT BETTER? IS THAT BETTER? THANK YOU. 
          UM, GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS. 
          I'M AMBER WEGNER. 
          I'M THE NEW TRANSIT ADMINISTRATOR. 
          I'VE BEEN ON BOARD WITH THE TEAM FOR ABOUT TWO MONTHS NOW. 
          UH, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. 
          IF I AM UNABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, I WILL DEFINITELY SEEK CLARIFICATION AND I'LL PROVIDE FOLLOW UP. 
          UH, MY FIRST WEEK I HAD AN INITIAL RUN THROUGH WITH THE FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET, SO I DO HAVE TO ADMIT THAT THOSE BEFORE, UH, ROBERT, UH, SPENT SOME TIME WORKING ON THIS 26 BUDGET. 
          I'M HAPPY AND PLEASED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR 26 OPERATING BUDGET HERE AT TRANSIT. 
          UH, JUST SOME KEY TAKEAWAYS WITH OUR OPERATING BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 IS THAT THERE'S MINIMUM CHANGE, UH, FROM THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET. 
          UH, IT REMAINS LARGELY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAD IN 25. 
          THERE ARE NO NEW SERVICE EXPANSIONS PLANNED, AND WE'RE MAINTAINING THE CURRENT LEVEL BASED SERVICES FOR THE THREE SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED HERE IN SEDONA. 
          UH, OUR CONTRACTED SERVICES AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WITH THE OPERATORS OF THE THREE SERVICES, MV AND, UH, UH, COTTONWOOD AREA TRANSIT, UH, COMPRISE A LARGE PORTION OF OUR BUDGET, INCLUDING FUEL. 
          IT'S ABOUT 2.3 MILLION FOR THOSE SERVICES FOR DIRECT SERVICES ON THE STREET. 
          UH, THERE'S NO SERVICE EXPANSIONS AS I INDICATED, UH, BUT OUR USAGE IS STRONG. 
          UM, WE HAVE ABOUT 21,000 REVENUE HOURS SCHEDULED, UH, THE SAME AS WE DID FOR 25, UH, FOR 26. 
          UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEING FOR, UH, FISCAL YEAR 25 IS GOOD. 
          UH, AND I HAVE SOME GOOD NEWS. 
          OUR RIDERSHIP HAS INCREASED AND STAYED STRONG. 
          OUR TRAILHEAD RIDERSHIP, UH, AS OF THE THIRD QUARTER IS AT ABOUT 2% INCREASE OVER THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO, UH, SHARE WITH YOU ALL THAT IN MARCH AND APRIL. 
          OUR CONNECT SERVICES, UH, EXCEEDED AND, UH, EXPANDED. 
          WE PROVIDED IT WAS ABOUT 150% INCREASE IN RIDERSHIP THAT WE SAW IN MARCH. 
          WE SAW 3,300 RIDES, AND IN APRIL WE SAW ABOUT 2,700 RIDES. 
          SO IN FEBRUARY, WE WENT FROM ABOUT 43 TRIPS A DAY, UH, TO ABOUT OVER A HUNDRED AND 110 TRIPS A DAY. 
          DURING MARCH AND APRIL, WE SAW 60% OF THOSE RIDES WERE SHARED. 
          SO THE INTENT OF PROVIDING A SHARED RIDE, UH, WE, WE ACHIEVED THAT AND WE'RE EXCITED. 
          UH, WE ARE BACK TO OUR NORMAL SERVICE HOURS FOR BOTH SERVICES. 
          UH, BUT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO PROMOTE THE EVENING EXPANSION HOURS A LITTLE BIT MORE TILL THE END OF JUNE. 
          SO I WANTED TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH, CAN YOU GO OVER A LITTLE BIT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THE EVENING PROMOTION? HOW THAT'S GONNA BE DONE 
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AND WHERE, UH, WE'RE PER, WE'RE JUST EXPANDING THE HOURS. 
          WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE THE SAME HOURS AS WE DID. 
          IT OPERATES UNTIL ABOUT EIGHT 30. 
          NO, BUT HOW ARE YOU GONNA GET THAT MESSAGE OUT, , BRIEFLY? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DEEP. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YOU DON'T WANT THE OPERATIONAL END. 
          UH, WE ARE GONNA BE WORKING WITH THE HOSPITALITY PARTNERS, CONCIERGE, I BELIEVE ANDREW IS ALSO WITH, UH, TOURISM GONNA BE REACHING OUT AND WORKING WITH THEM. 
          WE'RE GONNA REACH OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS AND JUST TRY TO PROMOTE, UH, SOME OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS HAVE PROVIDED SOME REALLY GREAT IDEAS IN TERMS OF, UH, DOING SOME, SOME DINE SERVICES AND, AND WORKING ON, ON GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT TO UTILIZE THE SERVICES. 
          AND DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE TIMEFRAME WILL BE, WHETHER IT'S 1, 2, 5 YEARS BEFORE THE ENTIRE CITY WILL BE COVERED INSTEAD OF JUST THE CORE CITY? I I HONESTLY CAN'T GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, I'M STILL KIND OF COLLECTING DATA AND LOOKING AT IT, KIND OF BASING IT ON THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. 
          BUT AS WE SEE A, A GROWTH AND WHEN, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CONNECT SERVICES? YES. 
          I THINK WE'RE KIND OF DOING A DEEP DIVE RIGHT NOW IN SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE POSSIBLY KIND OF WHAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, WHAT WE KNOW WE CAN COVER AND, AND MAKE SLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON NEIGHBORHOODS AND AREAS. 
          SO IF ANYONE HAS SUGGESTIONS OR IF THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS, JUST LET US KNOW. 
          WE CAN WORK ON THAT. 
          WELL, IT'S BELOW POCO DIABLO HAS BEEN ELIMINATED FOR THE TIME BEING BECAUSE OF JUST LACK OF VEHICLES AND LACK OF PERSONNEL AND ABOVE. 
          I THINK IT'S UPTOWN AND, UH, WELL, EVERYTHING NORTH OF OKAY. 
          IS THE CITY HALL. 
          WHAT, WHAT'S THE LIMIT ON, I KNOW PETE DOESN'T GO TO YOUR NAME. 
          IT'S THUNDER MOUNTAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          THUNDER MOUNTAIN. 
          YEP. 
          NORTH OF THUNDER MOUNTAINS. 
          AND IT'S, WE HAVE A LOT OF EL EL ELDER PEOPLE, AND I DON'T WANNA SAY OLD, BUT OLDER THAT HAVE BEEN ASKING, ESPECIALLY IN, UH, THE CHAPEL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND BELOW POCO DIABLO FOR, TO HAVE THAT SERVICE. 
          I KNOW ME, I'M NOT AN ELDER. 
          I KNOW THAT  THAT YOU ASKED, THAT IS AN ITEM THAT I PLAN TO WORK ON AND LOOK AT AND JUST KIND OF ANALYZE WHAT THE CURRENT SERVICE AREA IS. 
          I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH IT, AND I DON'T KNOW IT LIKE RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          I GET IT. 
          BUT THOSE ARE SOME ITEMS, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DESTINATIONS AND SOME OF OUR MAJOR GENERATORS RIGHT. 
          AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE A KEY COMPONENT. 
          UH, OUR STAFF PLANS TO MAKE OUTREACH TO THOSE, THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, FOURTH ITEM ON THE, ON ON, JUST SOME OF THE KEY TAKEAWAYS IS THAT WE ARE, UH, IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, SELECTING A CONTRACTOR FOR UPTOWN CIRCULATOR STUDY, UH, THAT IS IN THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. 
          UH, WE ARE IN THE EVALUATION STAGE OF SELECTING A CONTRACTOR. 
          UH, WE HOPE TO AWARD EARLY SUMMER KICKOFF IN JUNE AND JULY. 
          AND THAT'S JUST A STUDY. 
          JUST A STUDY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE WILL DEFINITELY KEEP YOU ALL APPRISED. 
          UH, THERE'LL BE SOME ENGAGEMENT AND, UH, DISCUSSION AND INPUT THAT, UH, SCOPE IS TO LOOK AT TRANSIT CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN UPTOWN THE NEW PARKING GARAGE, UH, ALONG WITH ALAKA P**I AND THE HILLSIDE AREA. 
          SO. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          SO, UH, JUST LOOKING AT THE BUDGET, UH, JUST SOME KEY POINTS. 
          UH, THE, FOR THE SALARY, THE ADJUSTMENTS ARE BASED ON THE NEW CITY COMPENSATION STUDY. 
          UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT WERE THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. 
          UH, THERE'S AN INCREASE THERE THAT IS BASICALLY OUR INCREASE IN SERVICES FOR MV FOR THE TWO SERVICES. 
          IT IS A 1.8% INCREASE FROM 25 PER OR FROM FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          AND, UH, THEN THE CONTRACTS, THAT'S 52,500, THAT IS OUR CONTRACT WITH COTTONWOOD AREA TRANSIT. 
          AND THAT IS AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 15%. 
          UH, THEY ARE SEEING RISING OPERATOR WAGES AND RELATED TO EMPLOYEE RELATED EXPENSES, SUCH AS BENEFITS, INCREASE IN FUEL AND MAINTENANCE COSTS. 
          AND WE'RE SEEING THAT FLAT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THAT SERVICES. 
          FOR THE SERVICE. 
          IT'S A PARTNERSHIP. 
          THE, THE ROUTE IS BETWEEN COTTONWOOD TRANSIT, SEDONA, AND THE STATE. 
          THE STATE'S FUNDING, WHICH IS FEDERAL FUNDING, HAS REMAINED FLAT AND COSTS HAVE INCREASED. 
          SO IT'S INCREASED THE LOCAL SHARE FOR THOSE SERVICES. 
          THOSE ARE SOME OF THE KEY AREAS OF THE 26 BUDGET, UH, FOR THE OPERATING PORTION. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? VICE MAYOR, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR BARBARA. 
          IS THERE ACTUAL DEBT SERVICE IN 
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PUBLIC TRANSIT, OR IS THIS JUST SPREAD OVER ALL THE DEPARTMENTS? THE DEBT SERVICE THAT YOU SEE IN MOST OF THE DEPARTMENTS IS RELATED TO ENTERPRISE, UH, LEASES. 
          UM, WE'RE MOVING AWAY FROM THOSE. 
          WE WE'RE UNABLE TO COMPLETE THE FULL ANALYSIS, BUT WE'LL BE DOING THAT THIS YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S REALLY THE RIGHT DECISION FOR THE CITY. 
          BUT AT THIS POINT, WITH INTEREST RATES COMING IN A LITTLE HIGHER ON THOSE AND THE COST OF THE VEHICLES, THE DIFFERENTIAL IN, IN THE BASE COST IS A LOT. 
          IAN'S BEEN LOOKING AT EACH INDIVIDUAL LEASE. 
          SO AS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT VEHICLES FOR THIS YEAR, WE'VE LOOKED AT EACH INDIVIDUAL LEASE VERSUS PURCHASE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. 
          BUT WE WILL BE COMPLETING THAT FULL ANALYSIS THIS COMING YEAR. 
          UH, AMBER, THE, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, OR CAN YOU IN THE FUTURE COLLECT DATA ON THE CONNECT TO SEE THE MIX BETWEEN TOURISTS AND RESIDENTS? WE'RE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          WE DO HAVE OUR REGULARS AND I WOULD PROBABLY SAY IT'S, IT'S MAYBE A 40 60 SPLIT OR A 30 70 SPLIT OF WHAT WE SAW IN, IN MARCH AND APRIL. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE, UH, REGULAR, OUR, OUR REGULARS THAT RIDE DAILY, UH, THEY'RE UTILIZING IT FOR GROCERIES, PHARMACY, RECREATION, AND, UH, WE, THEY'RE, THEY CALL IN AND, AND WE'VE GOT QUITE A FEW FOLKS THAT UTILIZE THE SERVICE. 
          MAYBE YOU COULD USE THEM AS SPOKESPEOPLE. 
          ABSO, I ACTUALLY THOUGHT, THOUGHT ABOUT THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF OUR ENGAGEMENT PLANS TO GET SOME OUTREACH. 
          THAT'S GREAT THOUGH. 
          IT'S HIGHER THAN I WOULD'VE EXPECTED AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A REAL UBER SERVICE HERE, OR IF WE DO, IT'S VERY SPORADIC. 
          UH, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT IS REALLY BRINGING PEOPLE TO YOU AS A SERVICE. 
          AND I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT WE COULD PROVIDE THAT IF THEY KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          WELL, WE'RE GETTING THE WORD OUT. 
          SO, AND WE'RE TRYING, AND I'M GONNA TAKE A LOOK FURTHER DEEP DIVE INTO THE DATA, LOOKING AT OUR ORIGIN AND DESTINATIONS AND LOOKING AT THE HEAT MAPS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TELL WHEN THEY'RE AT HOTELS, UH, WITH THE VISITORS. 
          UH, THE INTERESTING THING THAT WAS, THAT'S BEEN KIND OF GREAT, AND I THINK IT'S HOW WE HAD PLANNED IT, BUT I HADN'T BEEN HERE INITIALLY, IS HOW IT REALLY COMPLIMENTED THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE SERVICES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          KIND OF HOW WE INTENDED IT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOME OF THE LOTS WERE FULL, PARTICULARLY THE 1 79 LOT FOLKS WOULD GO BACK TO THEIR HOTEL. 
          THEY WERE LOOKING AT OTHER AREAS OR MAYBE GOING TO OTHER TRAILHEADS. 
          BUT A LOT OF, WE PROVIDED A LOT OF SERVICE TO THAT TRAILHEAD, UH, AT 1 79 FOR THE SHUTTLE CONNECT SERVICE, THE PARK AND RIDE LOT. 
          SO TO THAT POINT, AMBER, IF SOMEONE'S COMING FROM A HOTEL IN WEST SEDONA, THEY CAN'T, WELL, I DON'T THINK IT GOES BELOW POCO DIABLO. 
          IT DOESN'T REALLY HELP. 
          AT CHURCH OF THE RED ROCKS, I WAS GONNA ASK IF IT WOULD DROP PEOPLE OFF AT THE SHUTTLE STOP OF CHURCH OF THE RED ROCKS, AND THEN THEY TAKE THE ADDITIONAL, UH, TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE TO, UH, CATHEDRAL. 
          THE, THE ACTUAL CONNECT SERVICE GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE 1 79 LOT FOR THE PARK AND RIDE SHUTTLE. 
          IT'S FREE, ISN'T IT? MM-HMM . 
          IF YOU GO TO THE SHUTTLE LOT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WE, UH, IT IS NOT FREE NO. 
          FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, NO, NO, I DIDN'T THINK SO. 
          BAIL ON THAT. 
          THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS TO MAKE THAT FREE, BUT THERE WAS A DECISION THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO, UH, PRIORITIZE VISITORSHIP OVER RESIDENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO WE DID NOT GO IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          GOT IT. 
          WHICH BY THE WAY, I JUST WANNA TAKE A  A MOMENT AND POINT OUT THAT I'M AMAZED AT HOW WELL AMBER'S DONE IN HER SHORT TIME HERE. 
          OH YEAH. 
          TO EVEN KNOW WHAT 1 79 AND THE 1 79  IS, I EXPECTED TO BE INTERJECTING A LOT THIS MORNING AND I'M LIKE AMAZED HERE. 
          SO, GREAT JOB, AMBER. 
          THANKS ANDY. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          UH, BRIAN, THANKS, MAYOR. 
          YOU KNOW, ON THE QUESTION OF KNOWING THE SPLIT BETWEEN TOURISTS AND, UH, RESIDENTS, I WONDER IF THE, UH, GEOFENCING THAT OUR TOURISM DEPARTMENT HAS DONE IN ORDER TO IMPROVE THEIR ABILITY TO TRACK MARKETING CAMPAIGNS. 
          I MEAN, CLEARLY TWO DIFFERENT, UH, SOFTWARE APPLICATIONS, BUT AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK HAS BEEN DONE TO IDENTIFY, UH, LOCATIONS THAT, UH, VISITORS ARE RESTING THEIR HEADS AT NIGHT. 
          AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO INTEGRATE THAT WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE CONNECT SURFACE, THAT MIGHT BE, UH, ONE WAY OF, UH, OF GETTING AT THAT. 
          I THINK BEYOND THAT, UM, YEAH, WELL DONE SO FAR. 
          UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW. 
          IF I, IF I COULD JUST MAYBE, UH, FOLLOW UP WITH SOME INFORMATION ON THAT. 
          SO AMBER IS ALREADY STARTING TO WORK WITH OUR TOURISM FOLKS, UM, AND SHARE DATA BETWEEN THE TWO, UH, PROGRAMS. BUT WE DO HAVE, SHE MENTIONED EARLIER THIS, THIS PROGRAM THAT SHOWS HOTSPOTS. 
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SO IT IS A GEOFENCING TYPE APPLICATION THAT SHOWS US WHERE TRIPS ARE ORIGINATING FROM AND WHERE THEIR DESTINATIONS ARE. 
          SO WE HAVE THAT DATA, BUT TO YOUR POINT, I THINK IT IS GOOD TO, UH, COORDINATE THE DATA WE HAVE IN THIS PROGRAM WITH OTHER PROGRAMS. YEAH. 
          MAYOR, ONE OTHER THING, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE VICE MAYOR WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE REGULARS BEING A POTENTIAL SOURCE OF AMBASSADORSHIP AND, UH, WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH THAT. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOT A TRANSIT ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT IS PACKED WITH PEOPLE WITH LOTS OF IDEAS, RIGHT. 
          AND SOME OF THEM COMMUNICATE THOSE IDEAS TO COUNCIL AS WELL. 
          UM, SO I'VE SEEN SOME, SOME ACTUALLY SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO PROMOTE, UH, THE, THE CONNECT SERVICE, INCLUDING LIKE THURSDAY NIGHT FOR LOCALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO I DO HOPE THAT, UM, THOSE IDEAS ARE, ARE GETTING SOME SERIOUS CONSIDERATION. 
          I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SUGGESTED, I KNOW DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE GOOD OR, OR DOABLE, BUT I'VE READ THE, THE MOST RECENT ROUND AND I WAS LIKE, MAKES SOME SENSE. 
          SO, NO, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO. 
          UH, OUR, OUR LAUREN AND HER TEAM AND, UH, OUR, OUR, OUR MARKETING, UH, CONSULTANT THAT WE UTILIZE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT. 
          AND, AND WE DO, WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT IDEAS FOR CONNECT. 
          THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO KIND OF PROLONG THAT EVENING EXPANSION, UH, TO, TO, TO DO THOSE TYPE OF PROMOTIONS. 
          AND HONESTLY, WITH THE TRANSITION BETWEEN ROBERT AND MYSELF, UH, AT THE END OF FEBRUARY, UH, I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE DUE DILIGENCE TO TRY TO DO SOME MORE ENGAGEMENT ON THE EVENING SERVICE FOR IT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO BE COLLECTING DATA MOVING FORWARD FOR THAT TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE GOING TO RESTAURANTS AT NIGHT BECAUSE WE WANNA PROMOTE OUR RESTAURANTS. 
          AND THIS WAY THEY'RE NOT, IF THEY WANT TO GO OUT AND THEY WANT TO HAVE, HAVE A FEW COCKTAILS ALONG THE WAY, THEY'RE NOT DRIVING. 
          SO THIS, AND IT WOULD BE GOOD ON A LOT OF IDEAS OR A LOT OF POINTS WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM A RESIDENTIAL HOME AS OPPOSED TO A HOTEL AND THEY'RE GOING TO RESTAURANTS OR OTHER PLACES. 
          BECAUSE IT WOULD BE GOOD MOVING FORWARD. 
          YOU COULD, YOU COLLECT THAT DATA, YOU COULD COLLECT THAT INFORMATION AND THAT DATA. 
          UH, BUT AS WE LOOK AT OUR, UH, OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS, WE'RE REALLY GONNA BE WORKING ON THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS. 
          AND WORKING WITH OUR STACK AND OUR STACK COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN, UH, THEY'VE, THEY'VE GOT SOME GREAT IDEAS AND WE'LL PROVIDE ALL THE DATA. 
          THEY, THEY TEND TO SHARE THEM QUITE OFTEN WITH US. 
          . 
          AND HOW LONG DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE EVENING HOURS TO LAST? I'M, I'M INDICATING, JUST SO WE CAN COLLECT SOME DATA TILL THE END OF JUNE, BUT I'M OPEN FOR SUGGESTIONS. 
          UH, YEAR TO DATE ON THE SPENDING FOR FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          WE HAVEN'T SPENT ALL THE FUNDS THAT WE'D PLANNED 'CAUSE WE, IT GOT OFF TO A LATE IMPLEMENTATION. 
          IF WE CAN GIVE MORE SERVICES TO OUR RESIDENTS, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE BEST SCENARIO. 
          WE JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PROVIDE A TIMELINE RIGHT NOW TO COLLECT THE DATA, KIND OF MEASURE, KIND OF PUT OUT SOME GOALS THERE FOR MAYBE SOME OF THOSE EVENING RIDER RIDERSHIP AND, AND, AND KIND OF WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM COLLABORATIVELY ON THAT VICE MAYOR. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, THIS IS THE SHUTTLE CONNECT ONLY OPERATING THURSDAY THROUGH THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. 
          SUNDAY. 
          SAME AS THE TRAILHEAD RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT IF WE, SO THAT'S ANOTHER AREA TO LOOK AT TOO, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. 
          WE DID SEE, UH, A LOT OF GROWTH IN THE RIDERSHIP WHEN WE PROVIDED IT MONDAY, TUESDAY, AND WEDNESDAY. 
          UH, BUT IT WAS ALSO DURING THE PEAK SERVICE, SO WE'D HAVE TO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW WE WE'RE JUST GOING TO WORK ON THE EVENING HOURS FOR RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          PETE, THANKS MAYOR. 
          DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR WORK PLAN ANYWHERE THIS YEAR TO COME, MAYBE COME BACK TO US AND TALK ABOUT THE 2020 TRANSIT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND YOUR ANALYSIS OF IT AND WHAT WE'VE DONE AND WHAT WE HAVEN'T DONE AND HOW IT'S LOOKING GOING FORWARD? AND KIND OF THAT, I I SUMMARY OF, OF THE PLAN IS THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR ALL OF US TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE WE WANNA BE, WHAT WE SEE, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS CIRCULATOR STUDY IN THE LENS OF THE THE STEP. 
          I I, YES. 
          I, I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT AND I PLAN ON DOING THAT. 
          AND IT WOULD BE GREAT IF I COULD BRING THOSE IDEAS AND WE COULD PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION TO YOU ALL TO LOOK AT AND JUST, UH, WANNA PUT THE IDEA OUT THERE THAT THE NEXT SIM UPDATE IS MAY 28TH. 
          I'M PRETTY SURE. 
          AND THAT WILL BE AMBER'S FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE A REPORT TO YOU AND A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH IN WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY. 
          I'M, AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          UH, I ACTUALLY NEED TO PUT OUT THERE THAT I HAVE POTENTIAL JURY DUTY, OH NO. 
          NOW AT 
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THAT TIMEFRAME, BUT I'M THINKING THAT, UH, WE MIGHT WANNA SPEND EVEN MORE TIME THAN JUST BURIED IN THE SIP UH, THE SIM UPDATE. 
          'CAUSE I, I THINK ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LEAF THROUGH THE CAPITAL BUDGET IN THE OUT YEARS, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY AT STAKE. 
          AND I THINK IT BEHOOVES US ALL TO, UH, TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, YOU KNOW, AS, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T HAVE TO ACT AND WE CAN'T FIND FUTURE COUNCIL STILL IN AS IT'S IN THE BUDGET. 
          IT'S KIND OF AN ENDORSEMENT OF COUNCIL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT FUTURE SPENDING. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER REVIEW AT SOME POINT. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE OPERATING OR THE CIP PROCESS? THE CIP YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          BOTH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND AS I AM FAMILIARIZING MYSELF WITH, WITH THE CIP PROJECTS AND HOW THEY TIE INTO THE STIP, I'M, I'M TAKING INTO CONSIDERING THOSE ITEMS AND THE ITEMS THAT I KNOW THAT YOU WOULD ALL PROBABLY LIKE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON, UH, AS WE LOOK AT THE MULTIPLE PHASES OF, OF THE STIP AND WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          THIS ACTUALLY MIGHT BE A REALLY GOOD TIME TO POINT OUT THAT AFTER WE COVER OPERATING, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN SAYING THAT CAPITAL'S GONNA BE COVERED TODAY. 
          AMBER NEEDS TO BE OUT OF THE OFFICE LATER THIS AFTERNOON. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA DIVE RIGHT BACK INTO CAPITAL FOR TRANSIT AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH OPERATING. 
          SO, OKAY, MELISSA, SO THIS IS REALLY DIRECTED TO YOU, ANDY, SO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES ARE AND THE CONSIDERS ARE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY MM-HMM . 
          UH, ESPECIALLY GIVEN PROJECTS AND GIVEN, UH, CURRENT ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY, UM, OR ESPECIALLY AROUND GRANTS AND GRANT FUNDING. 
          DO YOU WANT THAT CONVERSATION TO BE BROUGHT UP WHEN KURT SPEAKS, OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO BRING THAT UP NOW? SO THEY BOTH, SO WE, WE WILL GET INTO CAPITAL HERE IN A MINUTE AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHY KURT'S HERE IS WE'RE GONNA COVER COVER. 
          I FIGURED YOU. 
          SO, SO THAT'S ONE PIECE OF IT. 
          THE OTHER IS THE FUNDING. 
          UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO DIRECT THAT TO AMBER KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE UNTIL YOUR BIG PRESENTATION ON THE 28TH? BUT, BUT MANY, MANY PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF GRANT FUNDING THAT IS INSIDE OF THE BUDGET AROUND SUPPORTING PURCHASE AND MAINTENANCE OF VEHICLES AROUND OUR ROUTE, AROUND A LOT OF YOUR OPERATIONAL EXPENSES, LET ALONE YOUR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES TO BRING IN, YOU KNOW, NEW, NEW SERVICES. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT ASKING YOU FOR AN ANSWER NOW, BUT ON THE 28TH, IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT FOR US TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO, IF ANYTHING, IF THERE ARE, IS NO GRANT MONEY AVAILABLE? UM, YOU, BECAUSE ROBERT WAS ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT 80% OR MORE WILL BE FROM FEDERAL FUNDING. 
          UM, MAYBE NOT. 
          SO, UH, I JUST WOULD LOVE FOR US SORT OF NOT JUST THE COUNCIL, BUT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPACT ON TRANSIT AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THINGS LIKE, UM, CHARGE FOR THE SHUTTLE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY FREE TO THE TRAILHEADS, WHATEVER YOUR PLAN IS. 
          IT'D BE REALLY GREAT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF SAFETY NET YOU'VE BUILT INTO TRANSIT SINCE I FEEL LIKE WE AS A COMMUNITY AND WE AS A COUNCIL, BELIEVE TRANSIT IS A CRITICAL PIECE OF THE FUTURE FOR OUR COMMUNITY, NOT JUST FOR VISITORS, BUT ALSO FOR LOCALS AS WELL. 
          SO I WANTED TO GET THAT KIND OF OUT THERE. 
          AND I REALIZE YOU DON'T REALLY PROBABLY NECESSARILY KNOW YET, UM, 'CAUSE YOU'VE JUST STARTED. 
          BUT ON THE 28TH, IT WOULD BE REALLY LOVELY FOR YOU TO PRESENT TO US WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AS YOUR SAFETY NET. 
          AND THEN I'LL SAVE THE OTHER COMMENTS WE KNOW ARE COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY FOR KURT NON-LEGAL KURT . 
          AND HE'S EXCITED. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          WELL, HE LOOKS LIKE HE'S EXCITED. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE SOME OF THIS, UH, GUIDANCE AND DISCUSSION ON, ON WHAT INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE TO SEE FROM THE TRANSIT PROGRAM. 
          UH, I'LL TAKE SOME NOTES AND, AND HOPEFULLY I CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, UH, ON THE 28TH. 
          THANKS, MAYOR. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS, DO WE HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN FOR THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY? I WAS GONNA DO THAT WITH KURT. 
          HUH? I WAS GONNA BRING THAT UP WITH KURT. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          WE CAN DO IT NOW BECAUSE IF WE, IF WE DO, THEN THAT WOULD BE PART OF WHAT I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THE 28TH. 
          AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE, THE, UH, BUDGET ADVISORY, UH, COMMITTEE THAT THEY, THEY WERE ASKING FOR THAT AS WELL. 
          SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT, IT'S A CONTROVERSIAL PROJECT. 
          YEAH, I, I, I, I'VE, I'VE, I UNDERSTAND THAT AFTER, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU PICKED UP ON THAT, I, I PICKED UP ON THAT . 
          UH, I GUESS ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO NOTE, AND I'M STILL KIND OF ANALYZING AND LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION, AND, UH, I'VE 
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PROVIDED SOME, UH, INFORMATION TO, UH, TO KURT AND THROUGH THE TEAM. 
          BUT, UM, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW IN 26, THE ONLY FUNDS THAT ARE PROGRAMMED FOR THIS FACILITY IS THE DESIGN ELEMENT. 
          AND, UH, WE DO HAVE FEDERAL FUNDS TO MATCH THOSE. 
          UH, THERE'S AN ESTIMATED, WE PUT OUT THE REST ESTIMATED IN 27 AND 28, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE DESIGN PHASE. 
          WE'RE KIND OF COLLECTING OUR DATA, PROVIDING SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE KEY AREAS IN THE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, SUCH AS A BUSINESS PLAN. 
          UH, WHILE ONE HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED, UH, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION AND, UH, WE PLAN TO, UH, KIND OF ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THROUGH THE DESIGN AND ANALYSIS, UH, AS WE COLLECT THIS INFORMATION INFORMATION. 
          BRIAN, DO YOU REMEMBER OFFHAND WHAT THE PROJECTED SQUARE FOOTAGE IS OF THE MAINTENANCE CENTER BIG? I CAN GET YOU THAT ANSWER. 
          IT'S ON A SPREADSHEET THAT WE JUST RECEIVED A COUPLE DAYS AGO. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS I WAS IN A, WELL, WHEN WE MET WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT ABOUT THEM BUYING 4 0 1 JORDAN, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED WAS, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE FIREHOUSE? AND THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH, NO PROBLEM. 
          RIGHT? I'M LIKE, UHHUH , WE'VE BEEN THERE. 
          UH, SO THEN I HEARD CHIEF ED SPEAKING AT A PUBLIC EVENT A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT $1,100 A SQUARE FOOT IS WHAT THEY WERE SEEING AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, MINOR HEART PALPITATIONS OVER THAT. 
          SO I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THE PROJECTED COST PER SQUARE FOOT IS FOR THIS, BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY SOME SIMILARITIES THAT CONCRETE HAS TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE MUCH HEAVIER LOADS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, LIKE A FIREHOUSE. 
          SO I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS IF WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR ENORMOUS DISAPPOINTMENT IF THIS IS GONNA COME IN, YOU KNOW, EVEN BIGGER THAN, YOU KNOW, THOSE PROJECTED NUMBERS. 
          SO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW. 
          I CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION ON FOLLOW UP. 
          DEREK, ARE WE TALKING TO ANY OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AT THE DESIGN PHASE? I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PARTNERING WITH THEM ON SOME OF THIS STUFF, BUT I DON'T WANNA FIND OUT AFTER IT'S ALREADY BEEN DESIGNED THAT THEY WOULD PARTNER WITH US IF WE HAD ONLY ADDED THIS ELEMENT TO THE PROJECT IN OUR INITIAL DESIGN. 
          UH, AND, UH, KIND OF PLANNING AND PROGRAMMING STAGE, UH, WITH THE CONSULTANT. 
          THAT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT A MONTH AGO, RIGHT? KIND OF, IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST MEETINGS IN TERMS OF THIS OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE FACILITY. 
          UH, WE, WE HAD, UH, THE, UH, COTTONWOOD AREA TRANSIT FOLKS INVOLVED, AS WELL AS THE VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS INVOLVED. 
          AND OG UH, HIS ALSO BEEN PART OF THIS DISCUSSION TO HELP US. 
          AND AS WE CONTINUE WITH THE DESIGN AND THE ANALYSIS, UH, THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO KIND OF SOLIDIFY AND REACH OUT TO ADDITIONAL PARTNERS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I THINK IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS. 
          THE OTHER, UH, CITIES AND TOWNS IN THE VERDE VALLEY DON'T HAVE TRANSIT, BUT MAYBE IT WOULD GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE A, A PROJECT IF, UH, WE HAD THE FACILITY TO, TO AMBER. 
          DO I REMEMBER CORRECTLY? I BELIEVE THE YAVAPAI APACHE NATION IS ALSO INCLUDED. 
          OH, NICE. 
          I BELIEVE THEY ARE. 
          I HAVE NOT MADE COMMUNICATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          OR PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM. 
          AND I PLAN TO MAKE OUTREACH. 
          I THINK THE ORIGINAL, UM, DISCUSSION HAS BEEN ABOUT THIS FACILITY INITIALLY, UM, I GUESS BEING SIZED TO SUPPLY WHAT THE CITY WILL EVENTUALLY NEED FOR THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT FOR THE CITY'S SEDONAS TRANSIT, UH, PROGRAM NOW. 
          SO THAT WHAT WHAT I MEAN IS, WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SIZE THIS BUILDING UNDERSTOOD. 
          MUCH LARGER TO ACCOMMODATE THESE OTHER AGENCIES. 
          INITIALLY, THE PRIMARY FOCUS, GOING BACK TO GRANT FUNDING THAT WE'VE PURSUED IS FOR TRANSIT. 
          WITH THAT IN MIND, THE, THE DESIGN IS FOCUSED ON BEING ABLE TO EXPAND THE FACILITY AND ADD ON TO IT TO ACCOMMODATE OUR OWN FLEET. 
          UH, POSSIBLE SCHOOL DISTRICT, FIRE DISTRICT, OTHER AGENCIES. 
          BUT THAT WOULD BE ADDED ON. 
          WHAT ABOUT, UH, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, INSTEAD OF USING WHOEVER WE'RE USING IN AS HODGEPODGE. 
          I UNDERSTAND TO HAVE ONE PLACE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE EXPANSION. 
          SO THE INTENT IS THAT THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT A PHASE TWO, IF YOU WILL, WOULD LOOK AT THOSE ADDITIONAL SERVICES. 
          THE INITIAL SERVICE WOULD BE OFFSETTING WHAT 
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MV IS DOING INITIALLY. 
          NOW SENDING OUR, OUR MAINTENANCE SERVICES OUT TO OTHER ENTITIES ACROSS, ACROSS THE STATE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING TO OFFSET THE COSTS INITIALLY THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND BRING THOSE COSTS DOWN. 
          BUT AS FAR AS A BUSINESS PLAN, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE YET. 
          OKAY. 
          BRIAN, YOU HAD A COMMENT? YES. 
          THANKS, MAYOR. 
          SO, UM, YOUR COMMENT, AMBER, ABOUT, UH, ALSO TALKING WITH NACO, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FACILITATING A VERDE VALLEY MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, BUT THEY'RE ALSO FACILITATING A VERDE VALLEY TRANSIT PLAN AS WELL. 
          SO IF, DO YOU KNOW THE FOLKS THERE THAT YOU CAN PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL THEM NOW? YES, I DO. 
          UM, TODD AND, UH, PEDRO ARE, ARE VERY OPEN AND, UH, WE ACTUALLY WERE JUST VISITING WITH THEM YESTERDAY. 
          TYLER AND I WERE, IN TERMS OF SOME GRANT FUNDING. 
          FANTASTIC. 
          UM, I'M OUR CITY'S REPRESENTATIVE TO THE BOARD OF NACOG, AND IT'S ALL I CAN DO TO JUST TRY TO FIGURE OUT, LIKE, DO WE HAVE ALL OF OUR PEOPLE KNOWLEDGEABLE OF WHO TO TALK TO AT NACO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF OPPORTUNITIES AND WHATNOT. 
          AND I WILL SAY IN RESPONSE TO COUNCIL OR DUNN'S REMARKS ABOUT, UM, GRANT FUNDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AT THE NACOG MEETING BOARD MEETING, IT WAS LAST WEEK, UM, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR SAID, LOOK, WE'RE USED TO EVERY YEAR HAVING UNCERTAINTY AROUND FUNDING BECAUSE OF THE MERCURIAL BEHAVIOR OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE. 
          HE SAID, THIS YEAR WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN WASHINGTON, THE UNCERTAINTY IS TRULY OFF THE CHARTS. 
          AND ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT THEY, THAT NACOG IS INVOLVED IN IS AT RISK FUNDING WISE, UP TO AND INCLUDING HEAD START, WHICH I KNOW IS NOT A TRANSPORTATION ISSUE, BUT IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT PROGRAM AND EVERYTHING IS PERCEIVED TO BE AT RISK RIGHT NOW. 
          AND LIKE THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IS SAYING, LOOK, I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, CRY WOLF HERE. 
          LIKE WE'RE USED TO UNCERTAINTY, BUT THIS IS OFF THE CHARTS RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. 
          I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT TRANSIT HOLISTICALLY BECAUSE ROBERT AND I, I UNDERSTAND WHY WAS OPERATING AGAINST A TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN THAT WAS DEVELOPED 10 YEARS AGO. 
          NOW, THERE'S NOTHING THAT HAS SUPERSEDED IT, HOWEVER, LIFE HAS SUPERSEDED IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO REVISIT THAT BECAUSE IT ASSUMED A MASS TRANSIT OPERATION THAT OF FIXED ROUTES THAT I'M NOT SURE MAKES SENSE ANYMORE. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DO. 
          BUT IF WE'RE BUILDING A FACILITY TO HOUSE A FULL SCALE TRANSIT ENTERPRISE THAT PERHAPS IS NOT WARRANTED, I THINK AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE, THE, THE HORSE, THE CART, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION. 
          I MEAN, EVEN THE DESIGN IS WILDLY EXPENSIVE, BUT WHAT ARE THEY DESIGNING TO MM-HMM . 
          AND, AND I JUST THINK BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD ON THIS, WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          AND WHEN WE COME BACK ON THE 28TH, WE CAN SPEAK TO THAT, UH, IN MORE DETAIL. 
          I ALSO HEAR, I, I BELIEVE WHAT COUNSEL IS INDICATING IS, AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION GOES, THAT'S NOT TO MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE'VE SECURED FUNDING OUTSIDE OF CINDY, UH, CITY FUNDING THAT WILL COVER AT LEAST A MAJORITY OF THAT COST. 
          AND WHATEVER MATCH WE HAVE TO MAKE FROM THE CITY, WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AS FAR AS OFFSETS FROM OTHER REVENUE. 
          AND SO I I, I THINK WE'VE HEARD THAT MESSAGE CLEAR AND WE WILL INTEND TO WORK TOWARDS THAT. 
          SO ANDY, WILL THE SIM UPDATE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE END OF THE MONTH BE A FULL SIM UPDATE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I'M ANTICIPATING FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE COUNCIL AND WITH AMBER, THAT WE'RE GONNA BE FOCUSING ON HER A LOT. 
          AND I MEAN, SHE'S GRABBED THIS INFORMATION, SHE ABSORBED THIS STUFF REALLY WELL, BUT I COULD SEE TRYING TO TAKE UP A LOT OF THE, UH, IF IT'S A THREE OR FOUR HOUR, WE HAVE TO DECIDE HOW LONG IT'S GONNA BE AS A WORK SESSION, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA CUT THAT BACK. 
          I THINK WE ALL HAVE A LOT OF, UH, QUESTIONS, BUT MAYBE WE WANNA SPLIT THE, THE TOPIC. 
          I YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY, UH, DISCUSS THAT INTERNALLY. 
          THE, THE TWO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, KURT, BUT I THINK THE TWO MAIN AREAS THAT WE WANNA HIGHLIGHT ON THE 28TH ARE GONNA BE TRANSIT AND PARKING. 
          YAY. 
          OH, PERFECT. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          AND, AND THAT TIES BACK TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FUNDING OFFSET HERE, RIGHT? UM, THERE WAS DISCUSSION 
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EARLIER ABOUT, UH, DO WE NEED TO MOVE TOWARDS FEE FOR TRANSIT THAT ALSO RELATES TO FEE FOR PARKING AND HOW THOSE TWO WORK TOGETHER? UH, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD SPLIT THE TOPIC YEAH. 
          AND HAVE THOSE TWO BE HIGHLIGHTED AND THEN A FOLLOW UP MAYBE THE FOLLOWING MONTH WITH THE OTHER THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OUR RESIDENTS ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON BOTH OF THOSE, RIGHT. 
          PARKING AND UH, UH, TRANSIT. 
          AND, AND I, JUST TO CLARIFY, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO COVER BEYOND THOSE TWO TOPICS ANYWAY, SO I THINK THAT WORKS OUT WELL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, YES, MELISSA. 
          SO I THINK ONE OF LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT MAY BE HELPFUL FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, WHETHER THEY'RE ON CONSOLE OR THEY'RE IN THE AUDIENCE OR WHATEVER, IS WHAT THE COSTS ARE IF WE DON'T DO THIS. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE DON'T REALLY TALK ABOUT IS LIKE, HOW MUCH STAFF TIME IS BEING WASTED BY DRIVING TWO HOURS TO PHOENIX, HANGING AROUND FOR WHATEVER, AND THEN DRIVING TWO HOURS BACK. 
          YOU KNOW, WHO IS THAT STAFF? WHAT COULD THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IF THEY WEREN'T DOING THAT? UM, WHAT ARE THE COSTS? BECAUSE IF WE'RE DOING IT OURSELVES, ALL THOSE COSTS ARE GONNA RISE FOR PARTS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, SKILLS AND WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, DO WE, DO WE PAY 10% MORE THAN THE COST? DO WE PAY 25% MORE? HOW MUCH MORE ARE WE PAYING TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE PROVIDE THAT PART FOR US, UM, AND INSTALL IT? SO IT'S JUST LIKE THOSE ARE, I KNOW THOSE SOUND LIKE MINUTIAE, BUT IF YOU KIND OF PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER, IT'S SORT OF LIKE SAYING, IF WE DID THIS OURSELVES OVER X NUMBER OF YEARS, WE WOULD SAVE Y NUMBER OF DOLLARS AND WE WOULD SAVE, YOU KNOW, Z AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME, WHICH COULD BE PUT TOWARDS SOMETHING ELSE TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT THAT WOULD BE, WE DON'T DO THAT. 
          I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING A LOT IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, BUT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT OTHER TRADE OFF IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THIS, I THINK THAT'D BE HELPFUL FOR US TO HAVE PERSPECTIVE ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          I COULD THROW OUT JUST ONE QUICK EXAMPLE. 
          RIGHT NOW OUR OPERATIONS ARE, ARE, UM, HOUSED IN THE SONOMA BUILDING. 
          THAT BUILDING IS 45 PLUS YEARS OLD. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA LAST A VERY LONG TIME. 
          AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BUILT IN A WAY THAT'S CONDUCIVE TO OPERATING A TRANSIT SYSTEM. 
          ONE, ONE OF THE WAYS, UM, THAT IT'S NOT SUFFICIENT IS IN STORAGE CAPACITY FOR OUR BUS. 
          OUR BUSES, WE'RE ALMOST AT CAPACITY NOW. 
          SO CONSIDERING THAT IF WE WERE TO NEED TO MOVE THOSE OPERATIONS TO A MORE APPROPRIATE FACILITY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE RENTAL COSTS IF IT'S NOT A, A, YOU KNOW, A FACILITY THAT THE CITY OWNS. 
          SO THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF THE OFFSET COST. 
          AND WE'RE SEEING THAT, I MEAN, WHEN WE STARTED THE, JUST FROM MY PERS MY PERSPECTIVE, UH, WHEN WE STARTED THE TRAILHEAD SERVICE, IT WAS, IT WAS FIVE VEHICLES, UH, FIVE, SIX OPERATORS, UH, WITH, UH, WITH SOME ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF OF SAFETY DISPATCH AND A GM. 
          AND NOW WE ADDED CONNECT AND THAT BRINGS AN ADDITIONAL FIVE TO SEVEN OPERATORS. 
          THOSE VEHICLES, WHICH ARE 10 CURRENTLY, AND THEY'RE HOUSED IN ABOUT A 1200 SQUARE FOOT SPACE. 
          THERE'S NO TRAINING ROOM. 
          UM, THERE, THERE'S JUST, IT'S NOT REAL CONDUCIVE, UH, FOR A WORK ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND IT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER WHEN, PARTICULARLY FOR OUR, OUR PEAK SEASON, WE HAVE ALL THOSE OPERATORS, ALL THAT STAFF IN THE BUILDING GOING IN AND OUT. 
          UH, SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT I SEE. 
          UH, WE'VE GOT 11 MAINTENANCE VENDORS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY UTILIZING. 
          UH, THIRD PARTY. 
          UH, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL. 
          UH, A LOT OF THESE CAPITAL, OUR VEHICLES ARE FEDERAL ASSETS. 
          WE HAVE A DUTY AND AN OBLIGATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MAINTAINED CORRECTLY AND FOR SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS. 
          AND THOSE THAT, THAT WE TRANSPORT, WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT, UH, A FIRST PRIORITY ON WITH SOME OF THESE VENDORS. 
          AND SOME OF THEM ARE GREAT AND THEY WORK WELL WITH US, BUT ONSITE MAINTENANCE OR HAVING IT CLOSER IS DEFINITELY, UH, PRUDENT IN TERMS OF BEING, BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT THE QUALITY OF WORK, UM, MAKING SURE THAT MECHANICS ARE CERTIFIED AND TRAINED APPROPRIATELY. 
          LIKE WE'RE JUST, THEY'RE NOT OPERATING ON A, ON A, ON A SEDAN. 
          UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OPERATING ON SOME HYBRID VEHICLES AND SOME CUTAWAYS. 
          UH, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN JUST GOING TO THE FORD DEALERSHIP. 
          SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CURRENT CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE SEEING AND WE DON'T HAVE, AS WE'VE CONTINUED TO GROW THE SERVICES WHICH HAVE BENEFITED OUR COMMUNITY IN THOSE 
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VISITING IT, UM, WE ARE, WE'RE LIKE ONE BREAKDOWN AND A ACCIDENT AWAY FROM NOT BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE BASE LEVEL SERVICE. 
          SO JUST IN TERMS OF OUR FLEET CAPACITY. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN I JUST BEFORE YOU GO VICE MAYOR, I JUST WANNA, WE'RE OFF TRACK BY 10 MINUTES, WHICH ISN'T BAD, BUT I'D LIKE TO STAY ON, ON, UH, TOPIC. 
          I KNOW SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO LEAVE, UH, ON TIME TODAY AT THE END OF THE DAY. 
          SO LET'S TRY TO STAY, UH, AS CLOSE TO SCHEDULE AS POSSIBLE VICE MAYOR AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S JUST VERY QUICKLY, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR A BUYER BUILD ANALYSIS. 
          OH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY WHAT IT'S, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO CONTINUE ON OR YOU, ARE YOU DONE WITH THE PRESENTATION OR, UH, FOR THE OPERATING? I AM, UH, THERE'S, DO I, DO Y'ALL WANNA KNOW? THERE'S A ONE TIME TRANSIT EXPENSE IN THE OPERATING, UH, FOR TABLET REPLACEMENT MM-HMM . 
          AND THAT IS ABOUT 9,700. 
          AND THAT IS TO REPLACE AN UPGRADE OUR, OUR TABLET TABLETS. 
          AND THEY'RE JUST LIKE A, A A MOBILE TABLET THAT IS MOUNTED ON THE DASHBOARD, BUT IT'S THE KEY PIECE OF COMMUNICATION. 
          UH, OUR, OUR REAL TIME TRACKING AND OUR SOFTWARE FOR THE ON DEMAND AND, UH, FOR THE FIXED ROUTE. 
          THESE TABLETS WERE INITIALLY PURCHASED RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE TRAILHEAD DURING KIND OF THAT COVID LIKE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUE. 
          AND THEY'RE OLDER AND THEY'RE DUE TO LACK OF AVAILABILITY, THEY HAD TO BUY DIFFERENT ONES FOR THE ON DEMAND. 
          THIS WOULD UPGRADE THEM ALL SO THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE FLEXIBLE AND WE COULD TAKE 'EM IN AND OUT OF ALL THE VEHICLES. 
          SO THIS COST IS FOR THE UPGRADE OF THOSE, WHICH IS A KEY COMPONENT OF US PROVIDING THE SERVICE. 
          AND IT HAS A SMALL IMPLEMENTATION FEE TO GET THE, GET THE SOFTWARE APPLICATIONS ON THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU JUST EXPLAINED ALL MY QUESTIONS THAT I HAD ABOUT THAT, SO THANKS FOR TOUCHING ON THAT . 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE'RE HERE TO, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE CAPITAL BUDGET. 
          AND I HAVE KURT HERE TO LEAN ON. 
          I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE, I MEAN, WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT THE, UH, TRANSIT MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FACILITY. 
          I, I REALLY WANT YOU ALL, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A FACILITY THAT NOT ONLY JUST STORES VEHICLES, BUT THIS IS HOUSING AND ADMINISTRATION AND OPERATIONS COMPONENT AND TRAINING, FUELING AND OUR MAINTENANCE, UH, THIS IS WHAT IT WAS PLANNED AND INTENDED FOR. 
          UH, AS I DISCUSSED, UH, IN 26 THE UPCOMING BUDGET WE HAVE THE PLANNING AND THE DESIGN FUNDS, UH, PROGRAMMED ONLY. 
          THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION FUNDS INCLUDED IN THIS 26 REQUEST. 
          AND THIS 26, UH, IS FOR THE CONTRACT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITH KIMLEY HORN. 
          WE'RE IN THE DESIGN PROCESS, UH, ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION IS IN 27 AND 28. 
          CLEARLY WE HAVE A KIND OF A GRANT, UH, GRANT FUNDING STRATEGY ON THIS. 
          AND AS WE LISTENING TO YOUR CONCERNS, WE'LL BRING THIS INFORMATION TO THE SIM, WE'LL COLLECT DATA AND ANALYSIS AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, AND LOOK FOR, FOR FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR EMMA BEFORE WE GO OVER TO KURT? NOPE. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          I JUST WANNA QUICKLY JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON ABOUT OUTREACH. 
          EVEN THOUGH THE INITIAL DESIGN FACILITY MIGHT BE JUST FOR US, IF YOU DON'T DESIGN FOR THAT EXPANSION AT THE START, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT MISS SOME THINGS AND I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THIS BEING POTENTIALLY A VERDE VALLEY OPPORTUNITY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I AGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, KURT. 
          GOOD MORNING MAYOR. 
          VICE MAYOR COUNCIL. 
          YEAH, JUST TO ADD A FURTHER DETAIL ON THE TRANSIT MAINTENANCE OPERATION RIGHT NOW WITH KIMLEY HOR, YOU'RE SPEAKING TO THEM. 
          AM I SPEAKING OKAY WITH KIMLEY HORN, THEY'RE DOING THEIR SPACE ANALYSIS FOR THE, THE CENTER. 
          AND IN THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE AND ALSO WHAT THOSE FUTURE NEEDS ARE IN THE PRELIMINARY PART THAT WE'RE AT. 
          A LOT OF THESE TRANSIT OPERATORS ARE ACTUALLY SEEKING OUT AND GETTING INPUT TO US. 
          THEY'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          FOR ALL THE POINTS THAT, UM, AMBER BROUGHT UP ON THAT THERE IS NO CERTIFIED MECHANICS IN CENTRAL NORTHERN ARIZONA FOR THESE OPERATION COSTS. 
          SO I JUST WANNA LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT IT'S NOT A BIG OUTREACH FOR US OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TRANSIT COMMUNITY. 
          THEY'RE ACTUALLY COMING TO US. 
          SO WE'RE DOING THE SPACE ANALYSIS RIGHT NOW. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL BRING UP THIS, UM, BUSINESS PLAN, UH, TO KIMLEY HORN. 
          IT MIGHT BE PRELIMINARY TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING DONE BY THE END OF THE MONTH, UM, TO ACTUALLY HAVE HARD NUMBERS. 
          BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK 
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WHERE WE'RE AT AND GIVE YOU THAT STATUS TO SEE WHAT THAT, UM, PENCILS OUT IN THE DESIGN ALL ALONG HAS BEEN TO INCORPORATE WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE FOR THAT TRANSIT CENTER BUT TEND TO LOOK AT FUTURE. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GUYS KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA END, UH, ALL THOSE UTILITIES, UM, CONNECTIONS AT A WALL. 
          WE'LL INCORPORATE A PLAN THAT WE CAN ADD, UM, IN FUTURE YEARS WHEN IT'S NEEDED AND SO ON. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN THE PLAN THE WHOLE TIME AND TALKING ABOUT FLEET AND SO ON. 
          WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT WHAT OUR FUEL CAPACITY WOULD BE FOR FUELING OUR POLICE VEHICLES ALL IN, IN-HOUSE VEHICLES THERE. 
          THAT WOULD BE A BIG COST SAVINGS TO THE CITY OF NOT HAVING TO GO TO, UM, A LOCAL GAS STATION HERE AND THEN ALL THAT. 
          SO THE MAINTENANCE FUELING, ELECTRICAL CHARGING WHERE WE COULD STORE EQUIPMENT AND ACTUALLY SERVICE OUR, UM, OUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION EQUIPMENT AS WELL. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE NEXT COUPLE OF CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE ONES OUT YEARS. 
          WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING NEW ON THE RIDE EXCHANGE. 
          THE BUS ACQUISITION IS FY 27. 
          THE ONLY THING COMING UP IN ADDITION TO THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS CENTER IS THE BUS STOP IMPROVEMENTS. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THAT PROJECT? UH, AND KURT MIGHT BE THE BEST ONE TO GIVE A QUICK BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THAT PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          UM, WOULD YOU LIKE THAT? YES, PLEASE. 
          YES. 
          SO THAT, THAT WHOLE BUS STOP STARTED, UM, WITH THE PREVIOUS TRANSIT, UH, MANAGER ROBERT WEBER AND WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT'S A BIG SAFETY DRIVER BECAUSE RIGHT NOW VERDE SHUTTLE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THEY STOP IN THE ROAD. 
          IT'S ALSO A TRAFFIC ISSUES AND SO ON. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT AND THE CHALLENGE IS, IS TRYING TO GET, UH, TO SIZE THESE PULL OFF STOP IMPROVEMENTS BASED UPON RIDERSHIP. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING TO GET THAT INFORMATION FROM THE VERDE RIDE AND ONCE WE HAVE THAT WE'RE GONNA COME FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN AND SO ON. 
          BUT WE HAVE TO GET THE DATA FIRST. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN REALLY BEEN, UH, HINDERED BY THAT AT THAT PROJECT THIS YEAR. 
          WE'RE GONNA KEEP MOVING FORWARD. 
          A BIG ISSUE ON THAT TOO IS A BUS STOP THAT WE'RE DOING OUT AT DRY CREEK TO ALLEVIATE THE CONGESTION OF THE DROP OFF AND PICK UP, UM, AT THE TRANSIT STOP OUT THERE AS WELL. 
          SO, AND KURT, SOME OF THESE STOPS WILL INCLUDE SHADE STRUCTURES, BENCHES, THINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT? YES, IT'S A FULL SERVICE. 
          IT'S, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S HOW BIG IS THE DESIGN FOR THE PULLOUT AND REENTRY INTO TRAFFIC AGAIN? SO WE HAVE TO KNOW THE RIDERSHIP TO HAVE THAT CAPACITY AND VOLUME AND THEN ONCE WE KNOW THAT SIZE, THEN WE CAN DO THE IN FILLING OF THE SHADING STRUCTURES, IMPROVEMENTS AND, AND ALL THAT. 
          DRINKING FOUNTAINS IS A BIG, BIG CONCERN AS WELL. 
          SO BRIAN, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          I'M A HUGE FAN OF THIS, UH, PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          MAKES A TON OF SENSE. 
          I'VE SEEN PLENTY OF, HAD PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO STOP BEHIND THE BUS ON THE STREET WAITING FOR PEOPLE TO BOARD OR EXIT. 
          AND I CAN APPRECIATE THE DANGER IN THAT. 
          IS THIS ACTUALLY ENOUGH MONEY TO GET MUCH OF ANYTHING DONE? I MEAN I  I HATE ASKING BUT I KNOW, I KNOW. 
          LIKE, I MEAN TO DO YEAH, I KNOW. 
          I MEAN I JUST THINK ABOUT THE ONE OVER BY HARKINS PLAZA, LIKE HOW MUCH IS THAT GONNA COST TO DO A CUTOUT? GOTTA MOVE SIDEWALK. 
          GOOD LORD. 
          LIKE HOW 1 75? THAT'S JUST FOR THE DESIGN AND RIGHT NOW SINCE IT'S, IT'S JUST THE SCOPING. 
          SO THAT'S JUST THE DESIGN FEES. 
          THE 402 50 IS SOMETHING TO PICK OUT WHAT THOSE PRIORITIES ARE. 
          SO WE HOPE TO DO A WHOLE COMPLETE DESIGN AND THEN PHASE THAT AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION. 
          BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST ONES WE WANNA LOOK AT. 
          WE DON'T WANT BUSES TO STOP IN EXISTING RIGHT HAND TURN. 
          MM-HMM  DEACCELERATION ACCELERATION LANES, WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          SO WE'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT. 
          SO YEAH, ONCE WE HAVE THAT DATA AND PART OF THAT IS GONNA BE A PRIORITY, THEN WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU FOLKS FOR UM, BUDGET APPROVAL TO ADD MORE OF THESE AMENITIES AND SO ON. 
          OKAY. 
          I THOUGHT THE 1 75 WAS ACTUALLY GONNA GET SOMETHING DONE THAT WASN'T JUST AS SOMETHING YEAH. 
          DARN IT. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          JUST, JUST ONE QUICK NOTE, KURT, I BELIEVE WE HAVE OPERATING BUDGET THAT WILL ALLOW US TO DO SOME SMALLER IMPROVEMENTS AT SOME OF THESE STOPS, RIGHT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE ARE PLANNING TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS. 
          IT'S BUT NOT THE BIGGER ONE. 
          IT'S IT'S OKAY. 
          IT'S JUST GOOD TO KNOW. 
          I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT. 
          I THINK IT'S VALUABLE AND IMPORTANT. 
          UM, FOR BARBARA AND CREW, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE CAPITAL PROJECT DETAILS PAGE, IT HIGHLIGHTS WHAT'S VERY CONFUSING ABOUT ALL OF THESE THAT YOU HAVE THESE PRIOR YEAR ESTIMATE NUMBERS AND YOU WIND UP INCLUDING THEM IN THE PROJECT TOTALS AND YOU WIND UP OVERVALUING THE PROJECT TOTAL. 
          'CAUSE LIKE UP HERE IT'S RIGHT, IT'S 8 25 BUT IN THE BOOK IT'S 9 75 'CAUSE YOU INCLUDE THIS PRIOR YEAR ESTIMATE FIGURE. 
          AND THAT'S LIKE IN ALL OF THESE THROUGHOUT THE BOOK JUST FYI. 
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SO ANYWAYS, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          OKAY, CONTINUE ON. 
          SO, SO IF I COULD JUST THROW OUT REAL QUICK 'CAUSE MY, MY LONGEVITY HERE, UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME WHERE COUNCIL WAS ASKING AND MAYBE THE MAYOR REMEMBERS ASKING TO KNOW WHAT PRIOR COSTS WERE BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO KNOW THE FULL ALL IN COST OF WHAT THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN AND A PROJECT LIKE THAT. 
          THERE'S QUITE A LONG HISTORY THERE . 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF COST TO, BUT ANDY, LIKE EVERY SINGLE THING HAS, IT SAYS PRIOR YEAR ESTIMATES, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S JUST WHAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY ESTIMATED TO COST. 
          NO, THOSE ARE ACTUAL A PRIOR EXPENDITURES, PRIOR YEARS ARE ACTUALS. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S REALLY UM, A MISNOMER. 
          AND WE MAY BE ABLE TO CHANGE THAT IN THE SOFTWARE BECAUSE THOSE WOULD BE ACTUALS FROM PRIOR YEARS PLUS 2025, WHICH WOULD BE AN ESTIMATE. 
          SO YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE COST THAT WE ESTIMATE WILL HAVE BEEN SPENT ON THAT PROJECT THROUGH THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS WHY IT SAYS ESTIMATE. 
          UM, BUT IT IS A LITTLE CHALLENGING AND MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE A DEFINITION OR WE SHOULD SAY FROM INCEPTION THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, WHEN I GET SOUND A LITTLE MORE YEAH. 
          WHEN I LOOK OUT AT THE PROJECT TOTAL, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT IT'S STILL TO COST US. 
          THAT'S WHY I, YOU KNOW, I SEE, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE IS SHOWING NINE, SO FUTURE 75 VERSUS COST THAT WE HAVE ALREADY. 
          PARDON ME MM-HMM  LIKE FUTURE EXPECTED COST VERSUS ACTUAL ALREADY EXPENDED. 
          UM, YEP. 
          WE MAY BE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO LIKE PULL THOSE TWO OUT. 
          I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THESE PROJECTS HAVE COST US IN THE PAST, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          YOU WANNA KNOW LIKE, WELL WHAT ARE WE COMMITTING GOING FORWARD, RIGHT? AND I WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR THIS BUDGET NOW, NEXT, NEXT YEAR. 
          DON'T, DON'T GO SPEND ANY MORE TIME TO UPDATE THIS STUFF NOW. 
          LIKE IT IS, IT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          WE, WE GOT THE DEFINITION NOW. 
          ALL GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT PAGE OF C UM, YEAH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ON THE OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          OH, THE NORTH STATE ROUTE 1 79 PARK AND RIDE. 
          THAT'S BEEN ONGOING. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD FURTHER CHALLENGES WITH PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          IT'S TO ADD DELAYS. 
          THEY WANTED MORE, UH, LANDSCAPE DESIGN THAT WE HAD TO INCLUDE. 
          UM, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT BATHROOM TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT WHAT WE'RE DOING AT PROPOSED FOR RANGER. 
          UM, ALSO WE'RE GONNA BE DOING A TURNAROUND AT THE DRIVEWAY, SO WE KEEP ADDING REVISIONS TO THAT DESIGN. 
          WE HOPE TO FINISH THAT, UM, SHORTLY HERE AND GET TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND THEN NEXT YEAR WOULD BE CONSTRUCTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO KURT, YOU JUST MENTIONED LIKE BATHROOMS AT RANGER AND AND SO FORTH AND ANDY, YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY WORKED HARD ON THIS, UH, AS WELL. 
          I MEAN, I IMAGINE KURT, YOU AND SANDY PROBABLY AS WELL ON THIS, WHAT'S IT COST US? LIKE WE REALLY DO NEED TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IT COST US JUST TO MAINTAIN PORTA JOHN'S VERSUS GO DROP IN A HALF A MILLION, THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION FOR A BATHROOM. 
          SO DO WE HAVE A ROUGH IDEA LIKE WHAT'S IT COST FOR A PORTAGE ON FOR A YEAR? UH, ROUGH IDEA. 
          I WOULD WOULD SAY A FRACTION OF  OF THAT . 
          UM, A LOT OF TIMES LIKE AT, AT THIS FACILITY WE HAVE, GOSH, I THINK IT'S LIKE FOUR UNITS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? I I I UNDERSTAND. 
          I'M JUST, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHAT'S WHAT'S ONE COST JUST TO BE ABLE TO EXTRAPOLATE THAT OUT AND GO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND ON ONE PERMANENT BATHROOM FACILITY. 
          COULD WE RENT FOR FLORIDA JOHN'S FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS? I ACTUALLY DID THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A REAL CONSIDERATION. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE, THE RESTROOM FACILITY FOR THE RANGER STATION PARK, I DID THAT ANALYSIS, BUT I CAN'T SEEM TO RECALL RIGHT NOW WHAT THAT WAS. 
          I WANNA SAY, UM, IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH AT THIS LOCATION. 
          IT IT'S THE HAND, IT DEPENDS, IT DEPENDS ON THE VENDOR AND SO ON. 
          BUT THE AVERAGE COST PER MONTH AT, UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AT RANGER AT THEIR, THE INVOICES THAT I'M SEEING, IT'S ABOUT TWO TO $3,000 A YEAR. 
          A MONTH? A MONTH. 
          A MONTH, YES. 
          BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING IN AND MAINTAINING THESE ON WEEKLY. 
          AND SO DURING THE SEVEN NOW THEY'RE GONNA BE HIGHER. 
          SO I'D ASSUME THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE LIKE THREE TO 4,000. 
          AND THE REASON IS THEY'RE COMING IN ALMOST EVERY OTHER DAY WHEN WE GO TO SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. 
          AND WE'RE ALSO SEEING IT ALL HAS A LOT OF, UH, CAUSE AND EFFECT FROM HOW THE FOREST SERVICE ARE MAINTAINING THEIR PIT TOILETS AT THE DIFFERENT TRAIL HEADS THAT WE FIND OUT THAT THEY'RE COMING IN AND, 
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YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY TAKING TOILET PAPER FROM OUR FACILITY THAT WE ASSUMED ARE TAKING TO THE OTHER ONES THAT, AND NOW WITH THE FOREST SERVICE, SO WE EXPECT, I'M EXPECTING THESE KIND OF OPERATION COSTS WILL INCREASE AND THEN IT'S THE USER AS WELL. 
          SO WHEN I BROUGHT ABOUT RANGER AND THIS FACILITY, WE'RE TRYING TO COMBINE 'EM TO HAVE THAT LEVEL OF CONSISTENCY FOR ALL THE USERS AND SO ON. 
          AND THIS IS, AND IT'S TAKING TIME BECAUSE WE WANNA GET IT RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA USE THAT MOVING FORWARD AT ALL OUR, IF WE DO BATHROOMS AT OUR PARKS AND SO ON. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO USE THAT BRANDING, WHAT THE STYLE IS AND SO ON. 
          AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THESE BATHROOMS. WHAT ARE THOSE COSTS PER SQUARE FOOTAGE? WELL, WHAT CAN'T WE GET A TILT UP DESIGN AND ONE OF THOSE PREFABS? WELL THEN YOU GET IN THE DATA AND YOU LOOK AT THE DATA, OH YEAH, WE'RE GONNA SAVE MONEY. 
          AND THEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT, WELL NOW YOU GOTTA ASSEMBLE IT. 
          AND IT DIDN'T INCLUDE ALL THE CONNECTIONS. 
          WE'RE ALMOST AT THE SAME PRICE OF WHAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY. 
          SO THESE, THESE FACILITIES ARE VERY COSTLY AND SO ON. 
          AND, AND WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS DO A LOT OF, UM, UPGRADES, STAINLESS STEEL, HARDENED WATERPROOF. 
          SO WE'RE NOT SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY IN OUR, UM, OUR JANITORIAL AND CLEANING UP. 
          'CAUSE THEY DO GET A LOT OF, UH, THEY GET A LOT OF USE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WHEN WE, BUT WHEN THESE DO COME IN FRONT OF COUNSEL, JUST KNOW THAT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS GONNA BE MM-HMM . 
          WHAT'S THE COMPARISON, RIGHT? I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A RELEVANT COMPARISON TO KNOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, DULY NOTED. 
          ALL YOURS. 
          UM, I THINK THE LAST IS THAT INTERSECTION, UM, THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT MONEY IN NOW AS PART OF OUR DESIGN AND WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH KIMLEY HORN, THIS IS AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          WE'VE HAD A LOT OF INCOME. 
          WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE, WE'VE ALREADY OPENED DIALOGUE WITH ADOT AND PARTNERING WITH THEM. 
          IT'S UNDETERMINED AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          IF WE COME INTO DESIGN WITH ADOT, WANT TO PARTNER AND PUT THAT IN THEIR FIVE YEAR PLAN, WE WANNA START THAT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THAT POSITION THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUR TRANSIT AT. 
          IT'S A SAFETY IMPROVEMENT. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE COME BEFORE YOU AND ALREADY TALKED ABOUT A TRA TRA UH, TRAFFIC INTERCHANGE. 
          WE DON'T KNOW YET. 
          WE'RE STILL GETTING THE SCOPING, THE SURVEYING, WE'RE DOING THE SURVEYING. 
          NOW, ONCE WE HAVE THE SURVEYING DATA, WE EXPECT TO WORK WITH A CONSULTANT AND ADOT TO COMMENT ON WHAT THAT TRAFFIC INTERCHANGE WHERE IT'S GONNA BE. 
          CAN I FOLLOW THAT UP WITH A, A QUICK LITTLE NOTE. 
          BECAUSE OF THE UNCERTAINTY OF THE FUNDING FOR THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE FACILITY, THIS, THIS PROJECT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE OTHER. 
          SO WE ARE OPEN TO THE IDEA OF, FOR ONE, DOES THIS HAVE TO BE GRANT FUNDED OR IT DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD AND DO WE WANT TO MOVE THIS OUT TO FY 27 OR NOT SO THAT IT GIVES US TIME TO SHORE UP WHAT ALL OF THAT LOOKS LIKE IN TIMING. 
          THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION. 
          WHAT IF WE MOVED IT OUT? 'CAUSE WHAT, WHAT IS THE 300,000? WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE SPENDING THAT ON? THAT'S ACTUALLY GETTING THE SURVEY DAY AND DURING THE SCOPE AND CONCEPT DESIGN AND THEN ENGAGING WITH ADOT WITH A CONSULTANT OF HOW THIS ISN'T INCORPORATED. 
          ADOT HAS A WHOLE SAFETY PLAN TO THAT CORRIDOR. 
          SO WE WANNA DOVETAIL INTO THAT AND THEN IN, IN FIND OUT ARE THEY INTO THIS, THE FOREST SERVICES DRIVING THIS AS WELL? OTHER PRIVATE ENTITIES ARE DRIVING THIS. 
          SO KURT, IT'S DESIGN. 
          YEAH, IT'S DESIGN. 
          IT'S DESIGN. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE A SEPARATE CONTRACT. 
          IT'S NOT PART OF THE KIMLEY-HORN EXISTING CONTRACT, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          AND IT HAS GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL. 
          UM, SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL SHOULD KNOW IN THE COUNCIL, BASED UPON ALL OF THE METRICS OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT HAS THE WETLANDS. 
          IT'S SURROUNDED BY FOREST SERVICE. 
          ROBERT TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT WE FEEL WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GO AFTER GRANT FUNDING BECAUSE OF ALL THESE METRICS THAT CHECKS THE BOX FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          IF IT STILL EXISTS. 
          EXPLAIN TO ME WHY IT'S FOREST SERVICE, UH, WHY THEY HAVE A, A HAND IN THIS WHEN IT'S NOT THEIR LAND. 
          THE INTER, THE INTERSECTION IS REALLY OUR PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES. 
          HOW DO THEY, AND THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO CONTRIBUTE ANYWAY. 
          SO WHERE DO THEY PLAY A HAND? THEIR INTEREST HAS TO DO WITH PROVIDING ANOTHER CONNECTION TO THAT FOREST AREA AT THE NORTH END OF THE PLANT. 
          SO AT THAT NORTH END, ON THE EAST SIDE, THAT'S ACTUALLY A FOREST ON THE NORTH END. 
          ULTIMATELY, NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO, IT'S ALL FOREST, BUT RIGHT. 
          THEY'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING FINANCIALLY IN ANY WAY, ARE THEY? WE DON'T HAVE A COMMITMENT FROM THEM. 
          UH, I'M SURE THEY HAVE A TON OF FUNDING THEY'D LIKE TO GIVE TO US FOR THAT. 
          YEAH, OF COURSE WE DON'T HAVE A COMMITMENT FOR THAT AT THIS POINT. 
          I THINK IT'S GONNA BE USED ON 
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MORGAN ROAD, BROKEN ARROW. 
          THE MONEY'S GONNA GO THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MUCH NO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT WAS MY POINT. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          I WANTED, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT THIS AND THE FUNDING AND THE GRANT AND THE FOREST SERVICE. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE CLIFFHANGER, UM, OHV TRAIL, SO IT BECOMES POSSIBLE TO CONNECT TO 5 25. 
          THE MONEY COMES FROM THE STATE PARKS GRANT OPPORTUNITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, AND IT, AND THAT'S BASED ON THE OHV DEKAL MONEY THAT IS RAISED BY PEOPLE HAVING TO HAVE A DECAL, UM, IN ORDER TO USE THE, THE OHV TRAILS HERE IN THE STATE. 
          SO THAT, THAT WAS THE PLAN WAS THAT THEY WOULD APPLY, OR THE GSRC WOULD USE, UM, TREAD LIGHTLY TO APPLY FOR A GRANT TO HELP FUND GETTING WHATEVER'S GONNA GO IN THERE, WHETHER IT'S RUNABOUT, IT'S CROSSOVER, WHATEVER IT IS, SO THAT IT COULD, THEY COULD REROUTE, UM, CLIFFHANGER AWAY FROM HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT OUT IN THE CLIFFHANGER AREA. 
          UM, IT ALSO TAKE PRESSURE OFF SOME OF THE 1 52, SO THAT, THAT IS ACTUALLY, UH, WHERE ALL THAT OTHER GRANT OPPORTUNITY MAY COME FROM IS FROM THE STATE PARKS. 
          THAT'S VERY HELPFUL TO ME. 
          THANK YOU, MELISSA. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND MR. MAYOR, IF I MIGHT, UM, FOLLOW UP TO COUNSELOR JEN'S COMMENTS. 
          UH, I BELIEVE YOU'LL BE RECEIVING REQUESTS FOR, UM, MEETINGS ON YOUR CALENDAR, UH, COORDINATED THROUGH CHRISTIE, WHERE ALEX SCHLUTER OF THE FOREST SERVICE, UH, WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH YOU ON THESE TOPICS IN ADVANCE OF COMING TO A COUNCIL MEETING AND ACTUALLY HAVING A DISCUSSION AND COUNCIL SESSION. 
          SO THAT IS COMING SOON. 
          ANDY, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. 
          SO GIVEN THESE ADDITIONAL INTERESTS IN THIS PROJECT, DO WE WANT TO KEEP THE DESIGN IN FY 26? IS THERE SUPPORT FOR THAT? I THINK WE'RE ALL, I UNSURE. 
          IT'S SO UNCERTAIN, BUT SOME OF THE UNCERTAINTY, OF COURSE, WILL BE SHORED OF BY GOING THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS AND EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT. 
          BUT EVEN SPENDING THE MONEY DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS, I DON'T HOW THE, THE REST OF THE COUNCIL FEELS ABOUT THAT. 
          KATHY, WELL QUESTION. 
          SO REALISTICALLY, IF THE MONEY WAS STILL IN 26, WOULD YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE TIME CAPACITY TO SPEND IT TO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, TO DO THAT, TO GET THAT DONE? YES. 
          REALLY , BECAUSE THE DESIGN, YES, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT IN THERE. 
          I MEAN, AND THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO NOT GO FULLY FORWARD. 
          SO, I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE WOULD WANNA, IT WOULD END UP BEING PUSHED OFF ANYWAY, BECAUSE THEN WHY PUT IT IN THE BUDGET NOW, KURT, WAS THIS A JOHN HALL PROJECT? YES. 
          DO JOHN, WE DO, WE DO HAVE CAPACITY. 
          WE HAVE CAPACITY, AND IT'S REALLY TIED TO THE TRANSIT OPERATION FACILITY. 
          WE PULLED IT OUT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO TRY TO SEPARATE THIS FOR GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AND FUNDING, BUT IF WE MOVE FORWARD, WE NEED TO DO THIS. 
          UM, AND, UH, REALLY IS THEN, UH, WE'RE ALREADY DISCUSSING THIS WITH ADOT TO SEE IF THEY WANNA PUT THIS IN THEIR FIVE YEAR PLAN. 
          SO THERE'S ARE ALREADY WHEELS IN MOTION. 
          SO EVERYTHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS CONCEPT SCOPE AND GOING INTO DESIGN. 
          AND WITH THIS IN HAND, THAT'S GONNA GIVE US A LOT MORE LEVERAGE TO GO AFTER CONSTRUCTION, UH, GRANT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE, UM, TRANSIT MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BEING, IF WE DON'T GO INTO A FIVE YEAR PLAN, IT PUTS US BEHIND AND THEN TRY TO CATCH UP IN A LATER TIME. 
          IT'LL HURT US. 
          SO, UH, CAN I ASK A QUESTION, PLEASE? SURE. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, SO WE THINK ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF THE BUSES MOVING BACK AND FORTH SAFELY ACROSS VERY HIGH SPEED 89 A RIGHT THERE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHAT ABOUT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PEOPLE? I MEAN, THEY HAVE TO MOVE BETWEEN THE SIDES OF THE ROAD TO RIGHT NOW IN ORDER TO GO MAINTAIN THE, UM, PIPING AND STUFF THAT ARE OVER IN THE DELLS AND, AND WATCHING ALL THAT, DOES THIS HELP THEM AT ALL TO HAVE THIS ROUNDABOUT OR WHATEVER IT IS GONNA BE THERE? CURRENTLY THERE'S A, THEY HAVE AN UNDERPASS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, AND THAT'S LIKE A ONE LANE TYPE OF ACCESS THAT IN A CULVERT THAT GOES UNDERNEATH THE HIGHWAY. 
          SO THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT, UM, ACCESS TO THE EAST SIDE OF, UH, SO THIS, THIS WOULDN'T HELP THEM AS THEY GO FORWARD. 
          THEY'LL JUST CONTINUE TO USE THE UNDERPASS? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S MOVE ON, KURT. 
          UM, NO, THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE CONCEPT. 
          IT'S NOT JUST GONNA HELP US. 
          IT'S GONNA HELP US AT THAT MATERIALS YARD THAT WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY WHERE WE ALL THAT ALLOWING LARGE TRUCKS. 
          WE WANT TO INCORPORATE THAT INTERCHANGE 
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TO ADDRESS ALL THOSE MULTIPLE USE. 
          AND IT'S JUST LIKE YOU MENTIONED, UM, MELISSA, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT IS THOSE LARGE VEHICLES TO HAVE THAT DEACCELERATION ACCELERATION LANE. 
          SO WHEREVER THAT TRANS, IT MIGHT NOT BE RIGHT IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR, UH, MAINTENANCE FACILITY OR THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, BUT THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED THROUGH THIS DESIGN THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING NEXT YEAR. 
          KURT, IS THAT ROUNDABOUT SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAVE ON TWO 60 AS HIGH SPEED? I CAN'T, WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS TIME. 
          IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, IT'LL PROBABLY BE A PHASING PROGRAM THAT WILL, WILL DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS NOW AS THIS MAINTENANCE FACILITY COMES IN OPERATION. 
          BUT IT'S REALLY IS WHAT THAT FOOTPRINT'S GONNA BE. 
          WHERE IS IT GONNA BE ATED, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY LOCATED TO BRING IN AND ADDRESS ALL THESE ISSUES WE HAVE. 
          WE'RE REALLY SELLING THIS TO ADOT AS THEIR, IT'S A SAFETY IMPROVEMENT. 
          THEY'RE ALREADY DOING, UH, A SAFETY PERMANENT PAGE SPRINGS BECAUSE OF THE ACCIDENT DATA AND ALL THAT. 
          SO THE ACCIDENTS AND SPEED, WHEN WE DO OUR SPEED ANALYSIS DRIVES THAT AS WELL AND LINE OF SIGHT, RIGHT. 
          VICE MAYOR, THEN WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE ON. 
          BUT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FACILITY, WE WOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT THIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          I WOULD THINK EVENTUALLY WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOMETHING EVENTUALLY. 
          YES. 
          BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE ACCIDENTS WOULD DRIVE THAT IN A REGIONAL, UM, IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. 
          ADO T'S ALREADY LOOKING AT THAT AND THAT'S THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD THAT THEY'VE KNOWN THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE, THEN ADOT SHOULD PAY FOR IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS WELL. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE PARTNERING WITH THEM. 
          AND REMEMBER, THIS IS ADOT RIGHT AWAY. 
          THEY'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISIONS. 
          WE'RE JUST GONNA SHARE THAT DATA WITH THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT IS NOW IN THE CITY LIMITS. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          BUT IT'S THEIR ROAD. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE WANNA PLAY IN THE SANDBOX NICELY NOW. 
          RIGHT? EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE YOU GOOD? I THINK I'M GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN SOME MORE QUESTIONS? UH, ANYTHING MORE FOR AMBER OR, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. 
          I JUST WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR THE TIME THAT YOU SPENT WITH ME THIS MORNING ON, ON OUR OPERATING AND THE CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          VERY IMPRESSIVE. 
          JUST A KNOWLEDGE BASE IN JUST A, JUST A, A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          YOU ANSWERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND I REALLY THINK PUBLIC WORKS AND KURT, UH, AND ANDY FOR THEIR SUPPORT ON, ON EVERYTHING THAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH SO FAR IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS, . 
          SO I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          WELL, WE CAN EASY ON YOU TODAY, BUT THE END OF THE MONTH, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 
          THANKS, BEAR. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          OKAY, NEXT UP WOULD BE, UH, HUMAN RESOURCES. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COUNSEL. 
          THIS IS, SO, UH, RUSS MARTIN, HR MANAGER HERE, UH, JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT WALL. 
          SO I APPRECIATE, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO PAY ATTENTION, UH, THROUGHOUT YESTERDAY, ESPECIALLY, UH, YESTERDAY MORNING. 
          AND SO I'M HOPEFULLY A LITTLE PREPARED FOR SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE MIGHT TALK ABOUT WITHIN, IF YOU WILL, THE, THE HR SCOPE OF THE BUDGET. 
          AND THEN WE'LL ROLL INTO THE, THE SALARY STUDY AFTER THAT. 
          SO, UM, PRETTY SIMPLE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME BUDGET, UH, THAT I GOT LAST YEAR, UH, SHORT OF THIS ACTUAL SALARY SURVEY, WHICH, UH, AS WE DISCUSSED LAST YEAR, HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO EVERY OTHER YEAR. 
          UH, SO THIS YEAR IS ONE OF THOSE THAT WE WOULDN'T NEED TO BUDGET FOR THAT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UH, REDUCTION. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING I'LL CALL OUT IS RECRUITMENT. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A COST. 
          UH, IT'S A, IT'S PROBABLY, WELL IT IS THE LARGEST OPERATIONAL COST, UH, FOR US. 
          UM, THAT WENT UP, I PUSHED IT UP LAST YEAR ABOUT 20,000 MORE. 
          UH, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT THIS YEAR. 
          PLUS, I THINK, UH, MOST RECENTLY THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR RECRUITMENT, AND THEN ALSO, UH, LOOKING AT THE ADDITIONAL DEPUTY CITY MANAGER RECRUITMENT. 
          THOSE ARE GOING OUT TO, UH, DUFFY GROUP, WHICH WAS SUCCESSFUL IN RETAINING OUR CURRENT CITY MANAGER. 
          SO WE'LL BE USING THEM. 
          SO WE'LL, WE'LL BE ADJUSTING THAT BUDGET, BUT I AM LEAVING IT WHERE IT'S AT. 
          I, AGAIN, I THINK THAT FOR THE MOST PART, UH, WHAT I CAN ANTICIPATE IS THAT A YEAR FROM NOW I WOULDN'T, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE PROBABLY GONNA HAPPEN IN, IN RETIREMENTS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          I'LL SEE HOW THIS YEAR HOPEFULLY WILL BE MORE OF A NORMAL YEAR GOING FORWARD, UH, AND TRY TO RETAIN THOSE COSTS. 
          THE REASON I SAY I WON'T NEXT YEAR IS I PROBABLY WILL BRING BACK TO YOU A LITTLE MORE, UH, MAYBE DETAIL ABOUT RECRUITMENT. 
          THAT WHOLE LINE ITEM TAKES CARE OF A LOT OF THINGS. 
          SO IF A POLICE OFFICER COMES, WE HAVE AN ON, UH, A SERIES OF, UH, INCENTIVES THAT THEY RECEIVE WHEN THEY COME ON, WHEN THEY COME ON, UH, THEY GO THROUGH THE FIRST THREE MONTHS 
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OR THEY GO THROUGH THE ACADEMY AND THEN AFTER SIX MONTHS, AFTER A YEAR THEY'RE RECEIVING SMALL BONUSES. 
          IT ALL COMES OUT OF THOSE ACCOUNTS. 
          THOSE ARE INTENDED TO BE FOR THOSE TOUGH TO FILL JOBS. 
          NOW I SAY THAT AS THE EXAMPLE, THE EVALUATION AND THE CONVERSATION YOU KIND OF HAD YESTERDAY ABOUT TOUGH TO FILL JOBS YOU HAD WITH YOUR CITIZENS GROUP. 
          WE NEED TO EVALUATE OPTIONS, UH, THAT OTHERS ARE USING AND WHAT WE COULD USE THAT MIGHT HELP US, UH, INCLUDING THE CONVERSATION WITH HOUSING AND HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP THERE. 
          SO WHAT I SAY TO YOU NOW IS THAT I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ANSWERS AS TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, BUT I THINK WHEN WE SIT HERE, UH, PROBABLY IN A RETREAT SETTING, UH, GOING FORWARD, WE'LL BRING SOME OF THAT THERE. 
          HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR WITH A BUDGET, I'LL HAVE SOME FISCAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH SOME OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. 
          AND THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO CONSIDER THOSE, UH, DIRECTLY. 
          AND THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT WE WILL SPEND MORE TIME ON THAN 10 MINUTES ON HR NEXT YEAR IS MORE OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS AND HOW THAT AFFECTS OUR BUDGET. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS HERE? I YOU HAVE SOMETHING, PETE? 'CAUSE OTHERWISE I WAS, YEAH, I RECALL PART OF OUR CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WAS GETTING DATA, RETENTION DATA AND THEN OUTGOING INTERVIEW DATA. 
          I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT PERCENT OF FOLKS ACTUALLY AVAIL THEMSELVES IN THAT. 
          YEAH, I, WE, UH, SO EXIT INTERVIEW, UH, DATA IS ONE THAT I, UH, HAVE AGGREGATED. 
          UH, AND SO WE GET A PRETTY GOOD RUN ON THAT. 
          I SPEND TIME DOING THAT NOW. 
          UH, ACTUALLY MEETING WITH THEM, UH, 30, 45 MINUTES, GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, THOSE INTERVIEWS TAKE AND WE GO THROUGH ALL THE DETAIL THAT I COULD HAND YOU AN INTERVIEW, UH, AND YOU COULD SAY, OKAY, COOL, I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT'S FROM. 
          SO WE DO A REALLY, TRY REALLY HARD TO MAKE THAT ANONYMOUS SO THAT WE GET THE BEST WE CAN. 
          OBVIOUSLY I KNOW WHO GAVE THAT, BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THAT IN AGGREGATE IS HOUSING IS AN ISSUE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING THE HOUSING THEY WANT FOR THE PRICE THAT THEY CAN, THAT THEY'D LIKE TO PAY, RIGHT? SO EVEN IF YOU'RE IN CORN OR YOU'RE IN COTTONWOOD OR YOU'RE IN KENT VERDE, THE HOUSING THAT YOU GET IS MAYBE BIGGER. 
          BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE COMMUTE, RIGHT? SO THEN IF YOU MOVE CLOSER AND YOU'RE HERE, THE MONEY YOU'RE SPENDING FOR HERE COSTS YOU MORE AND YOU GET LESS HOUSE, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE IN A SMALLER UNIT. 
          IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT THEY CAN'T FIND HOUSING. 
          I THINK A COUPLE YEARS AGO, AT LEAST IN THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS, THAT WAS A DIFFICULT THING. 
          THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM. 
          THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WHEN YOU COMPARE IT AGAINST, AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD, UH, TURN TO OUR CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM AND OUR STUDY AND HOW WE PAY PEOPLE. 
          WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PEOPLE FROM THE VALLEY, THE HOUSING OPTIONS ARE NUMEROUS AND FOR VALUES THAT ARE MUCH EASIER TO GET TO THAN OURS UP HERE, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'RE GONNA PAY THAT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT IN CAMP VERDE OR COTTONWOOD AS OPPOSED TO BEING ABLE TO DO THAT CLOSER IN PROXIMITY. 
          SO THERE'S ALL THOSE TRADE-OFFS PLUS THE OPPORTUNITY THERE. 
          SO HOUSING ISN'T NECESSARILY UNAVAILABLE, IT'S JUST THE TYPE OF HOUSING. 
          SO I HEAR THAT A LOT THAT WHEN I TALK ABOUT HOUSING, IT'S JUST THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT THEY HAD TO GET AND HOW FAR THEY COMMUTED. 
          THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHERE THEY EXPECTED. 
          THE BIGGEST ISSUE, I THINK IS MOST PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE A JOB WHERE THEY'RE CLOSER TO THEIR HOME. 
          WE STILL LOSE, AND THIS IS AGAIN, A PRECURSOR TO THE CONVERSATION WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE. 
          WE STILL LOSE IF WE'RE CLOSE IN OUR LITTLE AREA, BUT EVEN EXTENDED TO, ESPECIALLY FLAGSTAFF, IF WE'RE PAYING THE SAME AS SAY THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF OR THE COUNTIES OR THE CITIES AROUND US, IF WE'RE PAYING ANYWHERE CLOSE, THEY SAVE THEMSELVES A 30 MINUTE COMMUTE, RIGHT? AND OR THEY'RE CLOSER TO THEIR FAMILY AND THEIR LIFESTYLE. 
          SO WE'VE LOST A COUPLE OF STAFF FOR THAT REASON BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE OTHERWISE NOT SIGNIFICANTLY HIGH ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO SAY, I CAN BE CLOSER. 
          I CAN GO HOME FOR LUNCH. 
          I CAN DO THOSE THINGS. 
          SO IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE HAVE, IF YOU WILL, THE PREMIUM TO COME HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE TAKING TIME OUT OF THEIR DAY TO COME HERE IN THAT COMMUTE. 
          OR THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND HOUSING, WHICH AGAIN, Y'ALL KNOW IS A PREMIUM AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY THE ANSWERS THAT I GET. 
          IT'S NOT, UH, I DON'T LIKE WORKING HERE. 
          I I TELL YOU, IT'S, IT'S VERY GOOD. 
          UM, WE GET VERY HIGH SCORES FOR, UH, OUR HEALTHCARE. 
          WE GET GOOD HIGH SCORES FOR RETIREMENT. 
          WE GET GOOD HIGH SCORES FOR OUR BENEFITS IN GENERAL, INCLUDING TIME OFF. 
          IN FACT, A LOT OF TIMES THEY SAY, I'M GONNA MISS THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE AND WORK HERE 
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FOUR DAYS A WEEK AND HAVE THE TIME OFF THAT I WAS AFFORDED WHEN I WORKED HERE. 
          I WON'T GET THAT IN X OR Y. 
          RIGHT? SO, BUT SO RUSS, YOU USED THE WORDS PRETTY GOOD UPTAKE. 
          CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC? FIF TO HALF OUR EMPLOYEES LEAVING GO THROUGH THE EXIT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO NOW THE STATS, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE OVER YEAR MAY TO MAY, UH, SO THAT INCLUDES THE RETIREMENT OF YOUR FORMER CITY MANAGER, RIGHT? SO JUST IN YOUR TIMELINE OF LIFE, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 
          UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 20% OR SO. 
          IT WAS 18.8, FISCAL YEAR 24, BASICALLY FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          IF YOU DO THAT, UM, WE'RE AT 17.4. 
          SO WE ARE GOING DOWN NOW IF YOU RECTIFY THAT, I'M GOING TO, BECAUSE PERCENTAGES GET REALLY GOOFY. 
          'CAUSE YOU SAY, WELL HOW MANY FTE AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, I'M, I TALKED TO THEM YESTERDAY GOING, I NEED TO SWITCH THAT UP BECAUSE FTE IS MUCH MORE ACCURATE. 
          UH, PORTRAYAL OF THAT RIGHT NOW IT'S UP AGAINST 165 AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN ACCURATE NUMBER. 
          AS YOU SAW YESTERDAY, IT WAS ABOUT ONE 90. 
          THAT BEING SAID, YOU HAVE ABOUT 29 TURNOVER YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          SO 28.7. 
          SO THAT GIVES YOU LIKE AN FTE CAL. 
          'CAUSE YOU KNOW, UM, ALMOST 10, 9.8 OF THOSE WERE EITHER RETIREMENTS OR THEY WERE TERMINATED. 
          NOW, WHEN I SAY THAT, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS A NICE THING TO SAY, BUT IT DOES DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY WERE TERMINATED PROBABLY FOR A REASON. 
          SO ONLY ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE STAFF IN THAT PERCENTAGE ARE ACTUALLY LEAVING FOR SOME OTHER REASON. 
          RIGHT? THE THIRD OF THAT ARE HAPPENING 'CAUSE THAT'S CELEBRATION. 
          THEY'RE RETIRING OR THEY'RE TERMINATED AND IT'S ABOUT HALF AND HALF OF THAT THIRD OF THAT 30 OR SO EMPLOYEES A YEAR. 
          YOU GOOD, PETE? OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LEAVING, HOW MANY PARTICIPATE IN YOUR EXIT INTERVIEW? UH, I THINK, THINK I COUNTED 11 YESTERDAY, SO YEAH, NOT HALF. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, AND KEEP IN MIND I GENERALLY TRY TO GET AHOLD OF IT AND TALK TO THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE TERMINATED, BUT THEY GENERALLY ARE THE ONES THAT I CAN COUNT OUT. 
          RETIREES TEND TO DO A GOOD JOB OF RESPONDING TO THAT. 
          AND THEN THE OTHERS, IT'S A HIT OR MISS SOME, SOME POINT. 
          I, I ALWAYS TRY TO SCHEDULE, BUT I DON'T ALWAYS GET, I WOULD SAY COOPERATION. 
          BRIAN. 
          AND THEN, UH, PETER, YOU DONE? I'M DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          BRIAN AND THEN KATHY. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          RUSS, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT INCENTIVES TO THAT IT MIGHT BE ASSOCIATED WITH RETENTION FOR THE HARDER TO FILL JOBS, LIKE PD. 
          UH, YOU ALSO MENTIONED LIKE ACADEMY. 
          SO WHEN, WHEN ACADEMY IS INVOLVED, WE'RE HIRING SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT ACTUALLY A CURRENT POLICE OFFICER AND THEN WE'RE PAYING THE COST FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH ACADEMY ROUGHLY. 
          LIKE WHAT DOES THAT COST? OOH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. 
          I REALLY DON'T KNOW. 
          I KNOW THE TIMELINE IS LIKE 20 WEEKS. 
          SO THAT'S A PAYROLL NUMBER, BUT I, BEYOND THAT, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE DO YOU DAD GETS PAID FROM THE PD BUDGET AND I'LL SEND A NOTE OVER TO THE CHIEF AND ASK HER TO HAVE THAT WHEN SHE COMES LATER THIS MORNING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS, IS LIKE, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ACCUMULATING THESE COSTS. 
          THAT'S AN INVESTMENT IN THE EMPLOYEE TO, UH, HAVE THEM GO THROUGH ACADEMY AND THEN THERE'S THESE OTHER RETENTION BONUSES AND WHATNOT. 
          IS THERE ANY CLAW BACK IF THEY LEAVE VOLUNTARILY? LIKE IF WE PAY FOR ACADEMY AND THEN THEY LEAVE SIX MONTHS AFTER THEY FINISH 'CAUSE THEY GOT A SWEET JOB DOWN IN THE VALLEY. 
          DO WE CLAW BACK ANY OF THE INVESTMENT THAT WE'VE MADE IN ACADEMY? WELL, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEM SOME SORT OF INCENTIVE TO STICK AROUND, BUT IT'S GENERALLY ENDS AT ABOUT A YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          SO NO. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT CUTS BOTH WAYS. 
          IF, IF WE'RE GONNA INVEST IN SOMEBODY, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXPECT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO STAY A PERIOD OF TIME. 
          AND AT LEAST FROM A PRIVATE BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, WHEN I INVEST IN SPECIFIC TRAINING FOR EMPLOYEES WHERE I'M SPENDING MANY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, THEN I HAVE THEM SIGN AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT IF THEY LEAVE VOLUNTARILY WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, THEN THEY OWE ME AN, AN AMORTIZED AN UNAMORTIZED PORTION OF THAT COST. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE. 
          I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING THAT ACADEMY IS NOT CHEAP. 
          SO ANYWAY, JUST FROM A PAYROLL PERSPECTIVE ANYWAY, RIGHT? SO THAT, THAT CONCEPT IS, IS ONE. 
          AND I, I SAY THAT AS YOU'LL HEAR IN A MINUTE, WE DO WELL TO PAY OUR OFFICERS. 
          SO I THINK WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT RUN, IF YOU WILL, AWAY, UH, BECAUSE IF THEY STAYED IN THE VALLEY, WE ARE MEETING THE REST OF THEM. 
          SO THEY IN SOME WAYS HAVE TO TAKE A PAY CUT, 
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ESPECIALLY IN THAT FIRST INITIAL YEAR WHERE THEY'RE A JUNIOR OFFICER, ET CETERA. 
          UH, BUT IT'S STILL A POSSIBILITY. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I THOUGHT WE'VE HEARD THAT, THAT WE GET POACHED FOR HIGHER WAGES IN THE, IN THE VALLEY. 
          WELL, SO WHICH IS IT? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER SAYING THOSE WORDS, BUT I KNOW IF I'LL TELL YOU IN THE YEAR AND A HALF I'VE BEEN HERE, THAT'S NOT BEEN THE QUE THAT, THAT HASN'T BEEN A CONCERN OF MINE. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY GETTING THEM RECRUITED. 
          UH, WE'VE HAD A FEW RETIREES AND FILLING THOSE AND TRYING TO FIND THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, TO THAT, OLIVER HAS BEEN AWESOME AT RECRUITING. 
          SO I THINK WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FILL A LOT OF THE ROLES THAT EVEN A YEAR AGO WE WERE HAVING A HARD TIME. 
          SO OVER THE LAST YEAR WE'VE BEEN MORE SUCCESSFUL AT RECRUITING, BUT UH, RETENTION HASN'T BEEN AS HARD A PROBLEM AT LEAST RECENTLY AS OKAY. 
          AT LEAST IN THE SHORT TENURE I'VE BEEN HERE. 
          GOOD, THANK YOU. 
          I'M GONNA, IF MAKE A NOTE, MY QUESTION GOT ANSWERED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHAT I'VE UNDERSTOOD IS THAT AT TIMES WE'LL HAVE YOUNGER, UH, OFFICERS COME IN, THEY GET BORED IN OUR SYSTEM AND THEY GO TO THE BIGGER CITIES FOR MORE EXCITEMENT IN THEIR JOB. 
          UM, AND THEN OLDER, WE HAVE EXCITEMENT HERE, OFFICERS SHOULD COME TO COUNCIL. 
          BUT AS FAR AS BEING POACHED, I, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT, BUT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THE CHIEF COULD CLARIFY FOR US. 
          SO, UH, BEFORE YOU GO DOWN OR YOU ARE ALWAYS CORRECT, SO GO AHEAD. 
          I, ONE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN RECOUP ACADEMY COSTS AND TWO, EVEN IF WE COULD, I IMAGINE THAT WOULD PUT A PRETTY GOOD SIZE DENT IN RECRUITMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, HEY, COME WORK FOR US BY THE WAY YOU LEAVE, I THINK IT'S OKAY TO HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS OF PEOPLE IF WE'RE GOING TO INVEST IN THEM, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXPECT THAT THEY WILL STICK AROUND FOR A MINIMUM, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          NOT, NOT ASKING FOR INDENTURED SERVITUDE FOR FIVE OR 10 YEARS, I MEAN 12 MONTHS, ONE YEAR. 
          LIKE, THAT'S NOT UNDER UNUSUAL QUESTION FOR KURT. 
          CAN WE, CAN WE IMPOSE THAT AS A CONDITION TO EMPLOYMENT OF EMPLOYMENT? UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'D HAVE TO LOOK SPECIFICALLY INTO THE POLICE OFFICERS. 
          I KNOW ALL OF OUR OFFICERS WERE TRAINED SOMEWHERE AND NOT NECESSARILY ALL THROUGH THE CITY. 
          SO, UM, OFTEN IT'S A KIND OF A SHARED COST OF DIFFERENT POLICE DEPARTMENTS WHO WOULDN'T SIGN THAT. 
          I'M NOT HELL BENT ON THIS, BUT I MEAN, THE REALITY IS WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXPECT SOMETHING. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE NOT A SLUM LORD EMPLOYER, RIGHT? SO IF WE'RE INVESTING IN PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE NORM, IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE TO EXPECT THAT WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, RECEIVE SOME BENEFIT FROM THAT, THAT THEY ACTUALLY STICK AROUND A WHILE. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE RELOCATION PACKAGES ARE A, A REALLY GOOD ONE ALSO, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND 10, 20,000 AND, AND RELO A COST OR WHATEVER IT'S ON, NOT UNREASONABLE TO EXPECT YOU'RE GONNA STICK AROUND 12 MONTHS. 
          YEP. 
          IF I MAY, UM, ON RELOCATION, THAT IS THE CASE. 
          I DO WRITE THAT IN THE OFFER LETTERS. 
          THEY NEED TO STAY FOR SO LONG, OTHERWISE THEY HAVE TO REIMBURSE US FOR THOSE COSTS. 
          UM, I DID SEND A NOTE TO THE CHIEF ASKING HER TO BE PREPARED TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THIS TOPIC AS FAR AS I KNOW, OR I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE A YEAR, BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ANYBODY LEAVE LIKE SIX MONTHS AFTER THE ACADEMY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          I, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF THAT. 
          UM, WE HAVE HAD SOME PEOPLE NOT ABLE TO COMPLETE THE ACADEMY AND THEREFORE THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO STAY EMPLOYED WITH US BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW COMMON IT IS THAT THE OFFICERS LEAVE IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRAINING, BUT I ASKED HER TO BE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT. 
          SO WHAT, JUST TO YOUR POINT, JESUS, SHE BROKE THE MICROPHONE, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WE'RE GONNA CHARGE YOU FOR THAT, I DO IT LIKE EVERY YEAR. 
          SO, AND THEN I'LL GET TO YOU. 
          SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, UH, EMPLOYEES ARE WANTING TO DRIVE LONG DISTANCES AND I MEAN, BIGGER CITIES ARE GONNA DRIVE AN HOUR TO GET TO WORK, BUT I THINK OUR POLICE ARE A DIFFERENT ANIMAL. 
          THEY'RE GIVEN A CAR, UH, TO USE AND THERE'S A LIMIT TO HOW FAR THEY, WHAT'S IS IT 50 MILES OR 30 MILES? YEAH, I WANNA SAY IT'S, I WANNA SAY IT'S 45 OR IT'S 45 MINUTES OR 45 MILES. 
          WE JUST HAD THAT CONVERSATION LIKE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. 
          ACTUALLY. 
          I KNOW THERE WAS ONE THAT LIVED IN JEROME WHERE SOMEWHERE HE HAD TO LEAVE HIS CAR IN CLARKDALE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL THE CASE, BUT, BUT IS THAT A REASON? I MEAN, IF WE'RE LOSING POLICE FOR THAT PARTICULAR REASON AND GETTING A CAR, I, I FIND THAT HARD TO YEAH, I I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE. 
          AND IN GENERAL, WHEN I WAS SPEAKING ABOUT SOME OF THOSE EXIT INTERVIEWS, I WASN'T SPEAKING ABOUT POLICE IN GENERAL. 
          NO. 
          SO, OKAY, THAT'S ON THAT ISSUE, BUT HOW IS 
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THE PERCENTAGES, UH, ON POLICE RELATED TO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS? BECAUSE THIS PAST YEAR THERE WERE QUITE A FEW, UH, YEAH. 
          IN THE DEPARTMENT AS A WHOLE, UH, IT WAS ABOUT A THIRD OF THOSE DEPARTURES WERE, YEAH, NINE OUT OF THE, I THINK I SAID 29, 28 0.7. 
          AND IS THAT HIGHER THAN THE REST OF THE DEPARTMENT? WELL, THEY ARE THE, THEY ARE PUBLIC WORKS RIGHT BEHIND IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THOSE ARE THE LARGER EMPLOYER, UH, SECTIONS IN OUR ORGANIZATION. 
          BUT YEAH. 
          AND YOU'VE DONE EXIT INTERVIEWS ON THOSE EXITING, UH, SWORN AND CIVILIAN FROM PD BACK TO THE POINT I MADE EARLIER. 
          MOSTLY NOT, NOT COMPLETELY, NO. 
          YEAH, SO IT'S JUST CONCERNING TO ME. 
          NO, YEAH, I, BUT I, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF, OF THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, I THINK AGAIN, YOU'RE SEEING PUBLIC WORKS. 
          PUBLIC WORKS HAS A LOT OF VOLUME AND A LOT OF THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE TCA PROGRAM, UH, THAT TCA PROGRAM IS BY THE NATURE OF A, A TURNOVER BASED KIND OF PROGRAM, RIGHT? THEIR ENTRY LEVEL, PART-TIME POSITIONS, NO BENEFITS, ET CETERA. 
          UH, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, THAT NUMBER, SO IT, IT CREEPS THAT NUMBER UP IN PUBLIC WORKS FOR THAT REASON AS WELL. 
          SO, BUT YEAH, POLICE, BUT THE TURNOVER, AGAIN, YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THE RETIREMENTS, AGAIN, WHEN I SAY NINE, THAT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE LEAVING IN A HUFF READY TO GO. 
          UH, THOSE ARE EITHER TERMINATIONS, THEY DON'T QUITE MAKE IT THROUGH ACADEMY OR THE RETIRING. 
          AND OF COURSE THAT INFORMATION'S HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL ANYWAY. 
          YOU CAN'T SHARE. 
          YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN RETIRE ME TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE RETIREMENTS HAPPEN. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I, I, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT YOU CAN BREAK THAT NINE DOWN IF YOU NEED BREAK DOWN OF ALL THAT. 
          I MEAN, I, I BREAK IT DOWN . 
          WELL, YOU HAVE TO AND IT HAS NAMES ON IT TO YOUR POINT. 
          BUT, SO I CAN KNOW EXACTLY AND I'M TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, A CODED SYSTEM SO I KNOW PART-TIME VERSUS OTHER, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS OUR PROBLEM PART-TIME? AND YOU DISCUSSED THIS EARLIER, I'LL JUST PUT A PLUG OUT FOR A TCA FULL-TIME. 
          THE MORE WE CAN GET FULL-TIME TCAS, THE EASIER IT IS TO NOT HAVE THOSE TURNOVERS, RIGHT? SO THERE'S A COST TO TRAINING, COST TO, AND IF THEY CAN BE FULL-TIME, THEN WE GET HIGHER QUALITY, SO ON AND SO FORTH, RIGHT? SO FROM AN HR PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S A VOLUME, UH, THAT WE FACE A LOT AND IT WOULD HELP. 
          SO, AND MY LAST QUESTION BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE VICE MAYOR, YOU HEARD, UH, THE COMMENTS FROM THE BUDGET WORK GROUP AND THEY TALKED ABOUT RETENTION AND IT SEEMED LIKE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD HEAR OR KNOW ABOUT. 
          UH, AND I MEAN, CAN YOU ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE? I CAN YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM CONFIDENTIALITY, I'LL SEND YOU WHAT THEY GOT. 
          I LITERALLY SENT A RESPONSE TO THE GENERAL STUFF. 
          I CAN SEND AN EMAIL AND FORWARD YOU THAT EMAIL SO YOU SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE INFORMATION THEY GOT IN CONTEXT, YOU KNOW, TO GO THROUGH. 
          I COULD PULL IT UP AND READ IT TO THE POINT YOU'LL GET IT AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF GET A CONCEPT OF THAT. 
          I'LL SEND THAT AS SOON AS I'M DONE HERE. 
          THAT WAY YOU HAVE IT IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT. 
          AND IS THAT INFORMATION SENT TO THEM BEFORE OR AFTER THEIR DELIBERATIONS? WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW IN THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS, BUT I THINK IT WAS AFTER THEIR FIRST MEETING THAT THEY WERE ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          THOSE WERE FORWARDED TO ME BY KEEGAN. 
          I SAID, DO I NEED TO MEET WITH THEM? I GAVE HER A PRETTY GOOD SYNOPSIS AS BEST I COULD WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, DIVULGING ANY RIGHT CONFIDENTIALITY OF HOW THE PICTURE LOOKS. 
          AND THAT WAS AT THAT TIME. 
          AND SO I CAN GIVE YOU THAT AND THAT MIGHT HELP GIVE YOU CONTEXT TO WHAT YOU HEARD EARLIER. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO ASCERTAIN IF THEY HAD THE INFORMATION, THEY DIDN'T ABSORB IT OR THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT, AND THEN YOU FOLLOWED UP WITH IT. 
          I TEND TO THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PROVIDE THEM INFORMATION. 
          AND SO, UH, BARBARA, IN THEIR FIRST MEETING WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET AND THE CONTEXT AND THE HISTORY, UM, HUMAN RESOURCES RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION WAS ONE OF THE AREAS. 
          AND THEY HAD QUESTIONS THAT KEEGAN SENT TO RUSS AND HE RESPONDED BEFORE THEIR SECOND MEETING. 
          AND THEIR SECOND AND THIRD MEETING IS WHEN THEY ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH DECISION PACKAGES AND STARTED MAKING DECISIONS. 
          SO THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE CONNECTED WITH THE INFORMATION AND HAD THAT CONVERSATION. 
          I AGREE. 
          I WOULD BE, IT'S PROBABLY HARD PRESSED TO THINK THAT THEY, YOU DIDN'T PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T ABSORB IT. 
          SO THANKS FOR CLARIFYING VICE MAYOR AND THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON. 
          SO I HAVE TWO, TWO QUESTIONS OR TWO COMMENTS. 
          THE BUDGET WORK GROUP SAID THEY DIDN'T SUPPORT THE TCAS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THEM. 
          AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM EITHER BECAUSE WE HAVE NO INFORMATION. 
          AND THE INFORMATION I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, 
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WHICH I SAW SOMEWHERE, WAS ABOUT OVERTIME WE WOULDN'T BE PAYING OVERTIME. 
          WELL, WHAT IS THE OVERTIME THAT WE'RE PAYING? I, WE NEED MORE ANALYSIS. 
          IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKED TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES OR MOVE EMPLOYEES FROM PART-TIME TO FULL-TIME, WE, I WOULD APPRECIATE UNDERSTANDING THE REAL COSTS. 
          SO THERE'S TURNOVER COSTS, THERE'S OVERTIME COSTS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S CHEAPER TO MAKE THEM FULL-TIME THAN IT IS TO KEEP THEM AT PART-TIME. 
          BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. 
          CAN I MAYBE CLARIFY? MM-HMM . 
          SOME INFORMATION ON THIS. 
          I WHAT? BUY AND BUILT FOR EVERYTHING. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO FOR THE MOST PART, THE TCA PROGRAM IS MADE UP OF PART-TIME EMPLOYEES. 
          THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE STAFF IN THAT PROGRAM. 
          WE DO HAVE, UH, OUR RIGHT OF WAY SPECIALIST OVERSEES THE PROGRAM AND WE HAVE ONE TCA THAT IS FULL-TIME IN THAT GROUP. 
          WHAT WE'VE FOUND OVER THE YEARS IS THAT FULL-TIME POSITION IS MUCH EASIER TO FILL THAN ALL THE PART-TIME POSITIONS. 
          THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS WE'RE NOT ASKING TO ADD NEW FTES. 
          NOW, WE MAY HAVE MORE FTES ON THE BOOKS, BUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE PUT OUT IN THE FIELD WILL BE THE SAME. 
          WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO IS TO BE ABLE TO SHORE UP THOSE POSITIONS AND CREATE A COUPLE THAT ARE EASIER TO FILL BECAUSE THEY'RE FULL-TIME. 
          WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, IN THE PROGRAM, ADD MORE HOURS THAT WILL BE BILLED TO THE PROGRAM. 
          I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          IT MAKES SENSE. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE IT'S A, THIS IS THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE LACK OF INFORMATION GIVES A NEGATIVE RESULT. 
          AND SO IF WE COULD HAVE BETTER INFORMATION YEAH, THEN, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, YEAH, WE'D MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 
          ANNETTE AND I HAVE TRIED OUR BEST TO GET, I BELIEVE THAT WAS A PUBLIC WORKS, UH, DECISION PACKAGE. 
          WE'VE BEEN REALLY TRYING TO GET BETTER INFORMATION TO COME INTO THOSE DECISION PACKAGES. 
          SO WE AGREE WITH YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, SO I THINK YOU'RE GONNA INTRODUCE THE SALARY SURVEY NOW. 
          I, I CAN. 
          AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IF, IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS FINISHED WITH THE GENERAL QUESTIONS, COULD YOU EXPLAIN, I WAS SURPRISED WE DID A SALARY SURVEY WHEN WE JUST DID ONE LAST YEAR. 
          SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE THINKING ABOUT THAT AND HOW OFTEN YOU ANTICIPATE THAT WE'LL BE DOING THESE ADJUSTMENTS AND WHY WAS IT THAT THEY WEREN'T ALL FROM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT LAST YEAR'S WASN'T COMPREHENSIVE TO INCLUDE EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS YEAR. 
          SO THE LAST ONE I THINK WAS DONE IN 22. 
          AND WHEN WE SAY THIS LAST YEAR, WE, WE WERE GOING THROUGH IT IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND THIS IS THE CULMINATION OF THIS YEAR'S WORK IS NOW, UM, I, I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE BUT A YEAR AND A HALF. 
          AND IN THAT TIME, THIS IS THE ONLY ONE WE'VE DONE. 
          SO THE 22 I THINK WAS THE LAST TIME INCLUSIVE OF THE CONSULTANT. 
          SO THE CONSULTANT DID THE LAST ONE. 
          NOW THE DIFFERENCE TO THE REAL POINT IS THIS ONE WE DID A LITTLE MORE COMPREHENSIVELY. 
          I HAD REQUESTED, UH, TO DO UH, A PHYSICIAN ANALYSIS QUESTIONNAIRE. 
          AND SO SOME OF YOU MIGHT KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE ASKED YOU WHAT YOU DO AND DAILY, MONTHLY, YEARLY, WHAT IS IT THAT YOUR JOB ENTAILS? SO THAT THERE WAS A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT QUESTIONNAIRE, UH, THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE EMPLOYEES AND EMPLOYEE GROUPS, RIGHT? SO IF YOU HAVE A GROUP OF EMPLOYEES, LIKE A POLICE OFFICER, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE IT TO EVERY ONE OF THEM, BUT THEY FILLED THOSE OUT. 
          WE, WE RETAIN THAT INFORMATION. 
          THAT IS ONLY GOING TO START TO BE HELPFUL GOING FORWARD BECAUSE THEN I CAN TAKE THAT INFORMATION, LOOK AT JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND UPDATE ALL OF THEM. 
          SO THAT'S THE PROJECT GOING FORWARD WITH THAT RESULT, THE PROJECT THAT IS NOW AND WHAT WE GOT AND WHAT HE'LL TALK ABOUT IS REALLY JUST THE COMPENSATION STUDY. 
          AND THAT IS INTENDED TO BE EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS JUST TO CHECK IN WITH THE MARKET. 
          NOW AGAIN, AND HE'LL GO THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT WITH YOU, BUT MY GOAL IS TO BE HAVING NO REASON FOR THE STUDY. 
          'CAUSE WE FIND OUT THAT A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF OUR JOBS ACTUALLY ARE MEETING MARKET. 
          NOW YOU'LL FIND THAT ONLY 50%, AND THIS IS JOBS NOT, NOT ACTUAL PEOPLE ACTUALLY ARE TO MARKET. 
          THAT'S ACTUALLY A SUCCESS. 
          AND IF YOU CAN GET HIRED A SAY 75 IS MY PERSONAL GOAL. 
          THE NEXT TIME WE DO THIS, WE HAVE 75% OF OUR JOBS THAT ARE TO MARKET. 
          WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB IN THOSE INTERIM YEARS. 
          PICK HOW MANY INTERIM YEARS DO YOU DO IT? OVER MY CAREER, I'VE GONE 6, 8, 10 YEARS WITHOUT DOING A STUDY. 
          THAT'S GENERALLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE 
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RESOURCES. 
          AND YOU'RE HOPING AND YOU'RE GUESSING THAT YOU'RE IN MARKET AND THEN YOU FIND OUT PER JOB, WE'RE NOT IN MARKET. 
          I THINK, AGAIN, IF WE WANT TO BE ON THE TOP OF THE, THE PILE WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME HERE, KEEPING UP WITH THAT CLASSIFICATION STUDY, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE TO MARKET, ESPECIALLY THOSE JOBS THAT WILL COME OUT IN THE MARKET TO BE HIGHER THAN WHAT OTHERS ARE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE FALLING BEHIND. 
          THE IRONY IS I CAN LOOK AT THAT LIST AND I CAN TELL YOU WHY SOME OF THESE JOBS ARE HARDER TO FILL AND IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THAT, THEY'RE LESS THAN COMPENSATED IN OUR SYSTEM. 
          NOW WHY IS THAT HAPPENING? IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING COLAS AND OTHER THINGS. 
          IT'S 'CAUSE THE MARKET MOVES FOR SOME OF THOSE SPECIALTIES AND HE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. 
          SO CHECKING IN EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS WITH THAT, AGAIN, THE COST IS RELATIVE TO ABOUT 20,000 FOR THAT. 
          FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD, JUST CHECKING THE MARKET, CHECKING THE NUMBERS. 
          WE DID A LITTLE BIT, WELL, A LOT MORE THAN THAT THIS TIME. 
          WE DON'T ANTICIPATE DOING THAT EVERY TIME. 
          IN FACT, THAT SHOULD BE DONE MAYBE FIVE, SEVEN YEARS. 
          JUST 'CAUSE YOU WANT TO KEEP THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS UP TO DATE AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING AND ACTUALLY UP TO DATE AS WELL. 
          AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          THAT'S SIGNIFICANT, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEONE COMING IN TO BE ABLE TO UPDATE OUR JOB DESCRIPTIONS FOR THAT PURPOSE. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THAT WAS INFORMATION YOU NEEDED. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS HELPFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, LAST YEAR WE DID THIS HUGE CROSS THE BOARD INCREASE, MERIT INCREASE. 
          I THOUGHT THAT WAS BASED ON MARKET SUCCESSFULLY. 
          50% OF IT STAYED WITH IT. 
          NOW HAD YOU NOT DONE THAT, PROBABLY WE DIP BELOW THAT. 
          BUT KEEP IN MIND IN A FEW MINUTES YOU'RE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, 5% OF MARKET ON MOST JOBS. 
          IF YOU DON'T DO A TWO AND A HALF PERCENT, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME, THEN YOU'RE 7.5% RIGHT? THE NUMBERS GET HARDER TO KEEP UP. 
          AND I SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT YOUR COMPETITORS ARE FINDING TOO, RIGHT? SO THE MORE YOU ARE ABLE TO TAKE THOSE COLA, SO A YEAR FROM NOW WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MARKET ADJUSTMENTS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COLA IN THE SENSE THAT TRYING TO DO OUR MARKET ADJUSTMENT, KEEP UP WITH COST OF LIVING, BUT MAKING SURE THAT OUR EXISTING WORK THAT WE DID FOR THIS AT LEAST HAS A BETTER CHANCE OF SURVIVING A COUPLE YEARS OF MARKET ADJUSTMENTS. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY THE WHOLE POINT. 
          SO WHAT WAS, SO LAST YEAR, WHAT WAS THAT BASED ON? 'CAUSE I THOUGHT WE DID SOME KIND OF A SURVEY TO DETERMINE WHERE WE WERE IN THE MARKET. 
          I THINK LAST YEAR WAS MORE FOCUSED ON YEAH. 
          THE, THE INFLATION THAT WE WERE SEEING, UH, IN THE MARKET. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE I THINK TWO AND A HALF, 3% WAS YOUR COST. 
          COST OF LIVING. 
          AND, AND I, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, AND AGAIN I WASN'T HERE, BUT I, IN REMEMBERING HOW KAREN HAD HAD COUCHED THAT CONVERSATION. 
          I THINK YOUR DISCUSSION WHEN BUDGET AT THIS TIME OF THAT WAS OVERREACH IN THAT. 
          AND THEN ONCE YOU GOT HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR AND YOU SAW SOME OF THE RETURNS ON REVENUE, THEN YOU COULD ADJUST AGAIN TO TRY TO STAY UP TO MARKET. 
          SO YOU DIDN'T GET A FULL ADJUSTMENT IN JULY, IF YOU WILL. 
          YOU LOOKED AT JANUARY, IF I RECALL. 
          THAT WAS KIND OF, AND TO YOUR POINT, SHE KIND OF BROUGHT IN WHAT IT WAS AND WE WERE IN A FAIRLY STEEP INFLATION CURVE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS THERE AND I THINK WE WERE CATCHING UP. 
          AND AGAIN, I THINK TO THE SUCCESS, AT LEAST 50% OF OUR JOBS STAYED OR ARE IN SOME CASES ABOVE MARKET, WHICH IS GOOD, RIGHT? SO THAT NECESSARILY IS THE SUCCESS YOU SEE. 
          I THINK THE GOAL, LIKE I SAID, IS TO HAVE EVEN MORE OF THAT GOING FORWARD. 
          THAT'LL BE PART OF OUR CONVERSATION A YEAR FROM NOW IS WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN THE MARKET? WHAT IS THE COST OF LIVING? HOW ARE WE KEEPING UP WITH THE JONESES? THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, CONTINUE ON. 
          WELL LET ME SHARE THE MICROPHONE  BEFORE I HAVE TO SWALLOW IT. 
          HUH. 
          UM, I, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MATT, UH, IN THE LAST, I'D SAY NOW OVER SIX MONTHS, UH, PUTTING TOGETHER THIS IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          UH, MATT HAS A VERY KEEN UNDERSTANDING OF THE SEDONA MARKET. 
          HE'S BEEN WITH US A COUPLE OF TIMES, UH, THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          SO IT'S VERY GOOD. 
          IT WAS VERY EASY FOR ME TO WORK THROUGH THIS. 
          I THINK IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, DON'T BE AFRAID TO ASK THEM FOR SEDONA, IF YOU WILL. 
          HE DOES THIS NOT ONLY ALL OVER ARIZONA BUT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. 
          HIS TEAM, UH, AS WELL, WE'RE FORTUNATE TO GET HIM DIRECTLY AS ONE OF THE, THE TOP END. 
          HE'LL INTRODUCE HIMSELF IN A SECOND, BUT, UH, WE APPRECIATE WHAT WE'VE DONE TO DATE. 
          WHAT YOU'LL FIND AS WE GO THROUGH, UH, THE NEXT FEW MINUTES IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. 
          STAY UP TO MARKET, STAY ABOVE MARKET. 
          IT'S NOT A CHEAP THING TO DO, BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY PREVIOUS HISTORY, IF YOU DON'T TRY TO KEEP UP, IT'S JUST THE NUMBER JUST KEEPS BUILDING. 
          AND SO YOU'LL KIND OF SEE THAT HERE IN A MINUTE. 
          SO MATT, 
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SOMEBODY GETS SLIDES THAT SOMEBODY'S BLESSING TO CONTROL THE SLIDES. 
          WOULD YOU RATHER STAND AT THE PODIUM OR WOULD YOU RATHER SIT AT A DESK? I'M OKAY HERE. 
          I THINK FOR A MOMENT, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO BE HERE. 
          MADAM VICE MAYOR, YOUR QUESTIONS I THINK ARE RIGHT ON POINT. 
          UM, WITH RESPECT TO KIND OF THE LEAD IN EO TO THIS AND WHERE YOU WERE GOING, I THINK WITH THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          SO WHO GETS TO RUN MY SLIDES? ANYBODY? SOMEBODY? ALRIGHT, GO FOR IT. 
          UM, RUSS ALLUDED TO THIS, THIS IS PROBABLY OUR THIRD OR FOURTH STUDY, UH, WITH THE CITY MAYBE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, 12 YEARS, SOMEWHERE IN THERE. 
          UM, WE HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO WORK WITH QUITE A FEW CITIES AROUND ARIZONA. 
          SOME, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN ONCE. 
          SO CERTAINLY WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          THIS WAS OUR FIRST DEEP DIVE INTO JOB DESCRIPTION REVIEW, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A MOMENT. 
          BROADLY THE WHY, YOU KNOW, ASPECT OF THIS, AND YOU LOOK AT TIMING FROM A 2022 WAS THE LAST 1, 20 23 IN THE MARKET WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY EXCEPTION WHEN IT CAME TO INFLATION AND WAGE GROWTH. 
          UM, SO THAT IS INCLUDED A LITTLE BIT IN THESE NUMBERS. 
          CERTAINLY, UH, YOUR CITY IN PARTICULAR WAS ABLE TO REACT IN THOSE BROAD STROKES IN TERMS OF OFFERING A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT IN AN EFFORT TO MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, GROWTH AT THE CPI LEVEL. 
          SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OVER TIME, GENERALLY PUBLIC SAFETY MOVES IN THEIR OWN ORBIT AND THEN ULTIMATELY JOBS MOVE AT DIFFERENT PACES. 
          SO WE DO PERIODICALLY LOOK AT, IN THIS CASE, 90 OR A HUNDRED DIFFERENT JOBS AND JOB DESCRIPTIONS TO REALLY ANSWER KIND OF TWO QUESTIONS. 
          ONE, WHERE ARE WE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE JOBS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FILL, UH, THE AGENCIES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO COMPETE WITH, HOW ARE WE DOING IN RELATION TO MARKET? THE FOLLOW UP IS FAR MORE OF A PHILOSOPHICAL CONVERSATION, IF NOT A POLICY STATEMENT ON YOUR BEHALF, UH, OR STAFF ON YOUR BEHALF. 
          AND THAT IS WHERE DO WE WANT TO BE OR WHERE DO WE NEED TO BE IN ORDER TO RECRUIT IN AN ORDER TO RETAIN? SO OUR GOAL AS A THIRD PARTY COMPLETELY OBJECTIVELY IS TO STUDY EVERY POSITION THAT YOU HAVE AT THE CITY. 
          UM, MAKE AN EFFORT TO REVIEW JOB TITLES THAT MAKE SENSE, JOB DESCRIPTIONS THAT NEED TO BE UPDATED, UM, AND ULTIMATELY DETERMINE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT DATA CAN WE BRING TO YOU AS DECISION MAKERS TO MAKE YOU KNOW, SURE THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WHEN YOU ESTABLISH YOUR BUDGET. 
          YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE AND WHERE DO WE WANT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO BE SO VERY STRATEGICAL, VERY INTENTIONAL. 
          UM, UH, MY PAD ANSWERS USUALLY EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS. 
          YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS IDEALLY HAVE A LONGER SHELF LIFE THAN THE MARKET DATA, YOU KNOW, IN AND OF ITSELF. 
          BUT MY GOAL IS THAT WE'RE HOPEFULLY, AND I'M NOT AN ECONOMIST, THAT WE'RE APPROACHING NOW YEARS WHERE WE SEE, I WOULD SAY KIND OF ONE ADJUSTMENT A YEAR, NOT TWO. 
          UH, WE DID HAVE A YEAR IN THERE WHERE AGENCIES DOING, YOU KNOW, TWO COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS A YEAR, UH, 2023 AS I MENTIONED, JULY ONE, JANUARY ONE. 
          SUDDENLY IT WAS LIKE MY, MY DATA WAS GOOD FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, A YEAR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THING. 
          WE'RE USED TO JULY ONE KIND OF BEING A BELLWETHER. 
          AND THE VARIABLES AMONGST THE MARKET IS DO I SEE AN ADJUSTMENT ON MY ANNIVERSARY DATE OR AM I ELIGIBLE FOR SOMETHING LIKE A MERIT OR THAT, THOSE TYPES OF ADJUSTMENTS. 
          BUT THE WORLD GENERALLY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE 20 11, 20 12, AND THEN I WOULD SAY 2020 COVID, THE WORLD TENDS TO MOVE IN TWO CHUNKS. 
          ONE, DO WE MOVE YOUR PAY STRUCTURE? SO WHEN I ASK CITIES, ARE YOU MOVING YOUR STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, AND BY HOW MUCH? AND THEN ARE YOU MOVING YOUR PEOPLE? AND BY HOW MUCH? SOMETIMES IT'S THE AMOUNT THE STRUCTURE MOVED SOMETIMES, AND IDEALLY IT'S MORE THAN WHAT THE STRUCTURE MOVED BECAUSE OF THINGS LIKE MERIT, STEP, ADJUSTMENTS, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          OUR PARTICULAR, UH, SCOPE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE DID ENGAGE THE WORKFORCE. 
          UH, WE REMIND EVERY EMPLOYEE, UM, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DO THESE THAT DON'T GO BUY A NEW TRUCK SIMPLY BECAUSE YOUR CITY'S DOING A SALARY SURVEY. 
          THAT IS NOT THE MEANS THAT EVERYONE SEES A SALARY INCREASE. 
          RARELY DOES ANYBODY EXPERIENCE A WINDFALL SIMPLY BECAUSE WE'RE STUDYING YOUR JOB DESCRIPTION AND WE'RE STUDYING, UH, THE MARKET. 
          BUT PICTURE NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY THINGS GOING ON. 
          I'M REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE TIMING BECAUSE I WAS A COUPLE OF PLACES THE LAST FEW WEEKS AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, IT'S LIKE ELON MUSK ASKING EVERYBODY TO WRITE DOWN WHAT THEY DO. 
          TRY TO GET PAST THAT. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HEALTHY ORGANIZATIONS DO ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M SENSITIVE TO ORGANIZATIONS YOUR SIZE BECAUSE YOUR STAFF WEAR MULTIPLE HATS, RIGHT? JOB DESCRIPTIONS ARE NOT THESE CUTE LITTLE, I'M ONE PERSON AND I DO ONE THING AND MY COWORKER DOES, YOU KNOW, ONE THING. 
          NOW CONTRAST THAT OBVIOUSLY UP AGAINST, YOU KNOW, AN AGENCY WITH 5,000 EMPLOYEES. 
          THEY MIGHT HAVE 27 PEOPLE THAT DO ONE THING. 
          UH, YOUR STAFF, IN FACT NONE OF THEM DO. 
          JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ONE THING GIVEN YOUR SIZE, GIVEN I THINK THE SERVICE LEVEL EXPECTATIONS, GIVEN YOUR PERFORMANCE EXPECTATIONS, THERE IS CERTAINLY A SPIRIT OF WHAT I WOULD CALL BROADER JOB DESCRIPTIONS, RIGHT? AND SO IT'S VERY INTENTIONAL THAT WE ASK EMPLOYEES TO WRITE DOWN WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY SPEND THEIR TIME SO THAT WE CAN FULLY APPRECIATE 
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THEIR JOB WHEN MAKING THOSE EXTERNAL MARKET COMPARISONS. 
          WE ARE PROPOSING SOME MINOR TITLE MODIFICATIONS HERE AND THERE. 
          WE WANNA BE CONSISTENT ABOUT HOW WE DEFINE WORDS LIKE SPECIALIST, ASSISTANT COORDINATOR, TECHNICIAN, MANAGER BEING REALLY INTENTIONAL AND AS CONSISTENT AS POSSIBLE DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT. 
          WE WANNA LOOK AT LAYERS, WE WANNA LOOK AT JOB FAMILIES, WE WANNA LOOK AT CAREER LADDERS. 
          BECAUSE GENERALLY UNDER THE BROADER UMBRELLA OF DOING THESE STUDIES, I EVEN HAVE A TENDENCY TO SAY, OOH, IT'S ABOUT RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION. 
          I WANNA FLIP THAT AROUND. 
          IT'S REALLY ABOUT RETENTION AND RECRUITMENT. 
          IF WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT GETTING PEOPLE HERE, HOW DO WE MAINTAIN OUR SUCCESS IN KEEPING THEM HERE? DO WE HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GROW? DO WE HAVE THE MEANS TO GROW SO THAT I'M NOT MAYBE JUST WAITING FOR THAT NEXT LEAD OR THAT NEXT SUPERVISOR TO, TO RETIRE, RESIGN, THAT KIND OF THING BEFORE I CAN GET PROMOTED. 
          SO LOOKING AT LEVELS, LOOKING AT CAREER LADDERS, LOOKING AT JOB FAMILIES IS ALSO PART OF THAT. 
          WE'VE COMPLETED REALLY PHASE ONE OF THE MARKET EXTERNAL ANALYSIS. 
          WE'VE STARTED ON SOME BENEFITS, LOOK, BUT MY FOCUS TODAY WILL BE THE BASE PAY, LOOKING AT JOB DESCRIPTIONS OUT IN THE MARKET, LOOKING AT PAY SCALES AND PAY STRUCTURES OUT IN THE MARKET TO ANSWER THOSE TWO BIG QUESTIONS. 
          HOW ARE WE DOING? AND THEN WHERE DO WE WANT TO BE OR WHERE DO WE WANT TO FIT IN THAT MIX THAT HOPEFULLY ALLOWS US TO RECRUIT AND TO RETAIN. 
          UH, WE ARE PROPOSING A UPDATE TO THE SALARY RANGE TABLE FOR MOST POSITIONS. 
          UH, SO WE HAVE MODELED OUT UPDATED PAY RANGE PLACEMENTS THAT ALIGN TO MARKET THAT ALSO LOGICALLY INTERNALLY MAKE SENSE. 
          WE ARE PROPOSING PAY RANGE ADJUSTMENTS FOR POLICE AS WELL TO RETURN THOSE RANGES, UH, TO MARKET. 
          MY NEXT SLIDE, I BELIEVE HIGHLIGHTS THE COMPARISON AGENCIES. 
          THERE ARE HISTORY TO THESE AGENCIES. 
          SOME OF THEM COULD PREDATE US COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          UH, BUT REALLY THE GLOBAL EFFORT WAS WHERE DO WE GET PEOPLE FROM? WHERE DO WE LOSE PEOPLE TO CERTAINLY WHO HAS JOBS LIKE OURS KNOWING IN AS MUCH THAT WE HAVE SOME VERY, VERY UNIQUE FACTORS AS A TOURISM DESTINATION, UH, AS A SLIGHTLY HIGHER COST OF LIVING, HIGHER COST OF HOUSING DESTINATION. 
          WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE STAND IN THIS BROADER, I'LL CALL IT GLOBAL, YOU KNOW, MIX. 
          THIS IS ALSO A TOPIC WORTHY OF STRUGGLE, RIGHT? LIKE WHO SHOULD WE COMPARE TO AND WHO DO WE WANT TO PAY? LIKE, I'M GONNA THROW ANOTHER VARIABLE IN THERE. 
          WHO DO WE DIRECTLY COMPETE WITH, RIGHT? BECAUSE GENERALLY I'M GONNA SAY THAT MOST OF OUR POSITIONS ARE FILLED WITH PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE WITHIN COMMUTING DISTANCE OF OUR BUILDINGS. 
          ASTERISK, NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE GIVEN SOME OF THOSE OTHER FACTORS LIKE A HIGHER COST OF LIVING AND A HIGHER COST OF HOUSING. 
          SO THERE IS A HISTORY TO THIS, YOU KNOW, SURVEY AGENCIES. 
          THERE'S A MARKET INFLUENCE FROM THE VALLEY, UH, THE PHOENIX METRO AREA AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE KIND OF CLOSER IN, I WOULD SAY LAYER THAT IN MAYBE WITH SOME MOUNTAIN COMMUNITIES AND A KIND OF A FLAGSTAFF, A WINSLOW, YOU GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SIZE. 
          SO I WOULD SAY COMPARATOR RATHER THAN COMPETITOR. 
          SO WE'VE GOTTA GO SOMEWHERE TO GET DATA. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          DO YOU, AS YOU GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT WHAT THAT INFLUENCE OF THE VALLEY IS? YOU SEVEN OF OUR 15 CITIES HERE ARE DOWN FROM DOWN IN THE VALLEY. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST CURIOUS ABOUT HOW BIG OF AN INFLUENCE THAT IS. 
          SURE, YEAH, THERE'S NOT ANY DIRECT TRENDS. 
          I DO HAVE SOME SURVEY EXAMPLES IF WE WANT TO GO TO ONE. 
          IF WE WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, SO THAT YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF KIND OF WHAT THAT MARKET DATA LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, YOU'LL SEE SOME COLUMNS UN HIDDEN WHEN I GET INTO A POLICE OFFICER EXAMPLE. 
          BUT FROM CITY TO CITY, FROM AGENCY TO AGENCY, WE DO SEE A COUPLE OF VARIABLES. 
          ONE, HOW WIDE THEIR SALARY RANGE STRUCTURE IS. 
          THE BEAUTY OF DOING WHAT WE DO IN THE LANE THAT WE STAY IN PUBLIC SECTOR AGENCIES USE FORMAL SALARY PLANS. 
          THEY PUBLISH THEM, THEY'RE IN THEIR BUDGET, THEIR JOB DESCRIPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE, IT'S OPEN RECORDS ABLE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET INFORMATION THAT IDENTIFIES, HEY, WE HAVE A JOB IN THIS CASE YOUR MAINTENANCE WORKER, HERE'S WHAT WE CALL IT AND HERE'S WHAT WE PAY IT. 
          WHAT DOES DIFFER FROM CITY TO CITY IS HOW WIDE OR NARROW THE PAY RANGE STRUCTURES ARE FROM PLACE TO PLACE. 
          ALSO, WHAT VARIES IS HOW THOSE CITIES CHOOSE TO ADMINISTER SALARIES FROM ENTRY TO TOP OUT. 
          SOME AGENCIES HAVE STEP PLANS FOR ALL OF THEIR JOBS. 
          SOME HAVE AN OPEN RANGE WITH A MINIMUM, A MIDPOINT AND A MAXIMUM. 
          SOME HAVE A VERY WIDE RANGE, MEANING THEIR MINIMUM LOOKS LOW. 
          WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT IN A MINUTE IN THE PHOENIX EXAMPLE FOR POLICE SOMETIMES THEN THEIR RANGE LOOKS REALLY HIGH ON THE TOP END. 
          SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN MY FIRST COUPLE OF EXAMPLES, AND LARGELY AT MY SUMMARY LEVEL IS MIDPOINT. 
          I WANT TO SEE YOUR JOURNEY LEVEL COMPETENT PERFORMERS BE PAID AT MIDPOINT. 
          OKAY? SO MY FIVE TO SEVEN YEAR PEOPLE THAT ARE MEETING OR EXCEEDING EXPECTATIONS, I NEED THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR RANGE SO THAT I HAVE ROOM TO HIRE NEW HIRES SOMEWHERE IN THE BOTTOM TWO QUARTILES, AND I HAVE ROOM TO REWARD MY STAR PERFORMERS AND MY LONGER TENURED INDIVIDUALS ABOVE THAT. 
          SO KNOW THAT WHEN I START TO USE SOME TERMS LIKE MARKET AVERAGE MIDPOINT, THOSE ARE FAIRLY INTERCHANGEABLE, AT LEAST FOR THE PURPOSES OF OUR DISCUSSION. 
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WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE HERE IS THAT THERE'S NOT DIRECTLY A MARKET INFLUENCE ON SOME OF THESE EXAMPLES. 
          WHEN I LOOK AT KIND OF AVERAGES, YES, A, A TEMPE, A SCOTTSDALE, A PHOENIX, A MESA, WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THOSE FOUR IS THAT THEY LOVE TO ELBOW EACH OTHER OUT OF THE WAY. 
          SO YOU ARE GONNA SEE A LITTLE BIT OF MOVEMENT WHEN WE THROW A TEMPE AROUND BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS TRY TO STAY ABOVE PHOENIX AND SCOTTSDALE, BUT THE MINUTE THAT THEY DO THAT, SCOTTSDALE REACTS , RIGHT? SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CLOSED LOOP AND THE REALITY GETS STRONGER I THINK FOR POSITIONS LIKE POLICE OFFICER WHERE THEY'RE HIGHLY PORTABLE AND IN FACT YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, IN THE GAME OR TRYING TO STAY IN THE GAME. 
          I ALSO TRY TO AVOID GOING TO REGIONAL COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT MEETINGS WHERE I MIGHT MEET COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM MULTIPLE CITIES BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT ME AND MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON  ON THESE CITIES COMPETING, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE BURDEN I THINK OF BEING A PUBLIC AGENCY AND HAVING ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE THERE, UM, IS EVERYBODY KNOWS YOUR WORKFORCE KNOWS THERE ARE SO MANY SIGNING BONUSES FOR POSITIONS EVEN OUTSIDE OF PUBLIC SAFETY NOW, YOU KNOW, SIGN ON BONUSES FOR SOMEBODY WITH A CDL, UM, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T SEE THAT REALLY IN THE CIVILIAN WORKFORCE UNTIL ABOUT 22, 23 POST COVID, WHERE SUDDENLY IT WAS, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEES WERE KIND OF RUNNING THE WILD, WILD WEST A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND THEY SAID, I WANNA WORK FROM HOME AND I WANNA WORK THREE THROUGHOUT THREE TWELVES AND I WANT A SIGN ON BONUS AND I WANT FLEXIBILITY AND YEAH. 
          ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          I FEEL LIKE THAT SETTLED IN, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT, BUT KNOW THAT THE THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS SURVEY DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN INFLUENCE. 
          I THINK SO TOO. 
          DOES THE VALLEY, THERE ARE NO FUZZY NUMBERS IN HERE. 
          I WOULD SAY. 
          WHAT I MEAN BY THAT SPECIFICALLY FACTUALLY, YOUR COST OF LIVING AND YOUR COST OF HOUSING IS HIGHER THAN THE VALLEY. 
          UH, WE'RE MODELING EVERYTHING BACK TO THE AVERAGE OF EVERYTHING. 
          AND SO WE HAVE NOT TAKEN ANY REAL INFLATIONARY MEASURES AROUND, WELL, LET'S JUST TRY TO BE VALLEY PLUS FIVE OR VALLEY PLUS 10. 
          THIS IS OUT OF THESE 14 OR SO AGENCIES. 
          HERE'S WHERE WE LAND. 
          AND I'M TRYING TO GET YOU AT LEAST BACK TO THE MIDDLE OF THAT. 
          AND THEN IF WE'RE PREPARED, EVEN IF IT'S A MULTI-YEAR DISCUSSION, WE CAN DISCUSS BEING AHEAD OF THAT AVERAGE. 
          SO I'LL CIRCLE BACK ON THAT BECAUSE YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT. 
          THIS EXAMPLE GIVES US JOB BY JOB NOW. 
          SO MY WORK THAT SITS BEHIND MY SUMMARY DOCUMENTS IS AN EFFORT TO COMPARE JOB DESCRIPTIONS. 
          YOU'LL NOTICE AN ABUNDANCE OF TITLES FOR YOUR CITY MAINTENANCE WORKER, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT JOB DESCRIPTIONS, LOOKING AT DUTIES, LOOKING AT QUALIFICATIONS, KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS REQUIRED. 
          YOUR CURRENT MIDPOINT IS ABOUT 50 4K, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE MARKET MIDPOINT IS ABOUT 50 4K. 
          YOUR CURRENT MIDPOINT IS 48 K. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE A POSITION IF WE IDENTIFY ABOUT HALF OF OUR JOBS AS BEING BEHIND MARKET. 
          THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE I'M GONNA USE 5% PLUS OR MINUS 5% TO DEFINE COMPETITIVE. 
          THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A POSITION WHERE WE'VE SLIPPED A LITTLE BIT BEHIND MARKET. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY IF I LOOK HERE AT, YOU KNOW, PAY RANGE AT THE MIDPOINT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE GAME UP AGAINST A PRESCOTT, A PRESCOTT VALLEY, SLIPPING BEHIND FLAGS, SLIPPING BEHIND THE COUNTY, SLIPPING BEHIND MAYBE A, A PAYSON OR A COTTONWOOD, YOU KNOW. 
          SO IF I LOOK TO KIND OF THE MIDDLE OF THIS ARRAY, THE, THE VALLEY IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS GONNA STAY A LITTLE BIT ABOVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR AVERAGES ARE. 
          CAN I ASK YOU JUST TO TAKE A BREAK FOR ONE SECOND? YES, SIR. 
          I HAVE A CO A QUESTION OVER HERE AND I HAVE QUESTIONS MYSELF AND I THINK SOME OTHERS MIGHT HAVE QUESTION. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU DON'T MIND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          SO EARLIER YOU TALKED ABOUT MANY OF THE EMPLOYEES GET HIRED FROM THE LOCAL COMMUNITY IN WHICH THEY RESIDE, AND I CAN SEE THAT FOR SOME OF THE POSITIONS AND OTHERS, NOT LIKE THE SENIOR PLANNER. 
          CORRECT? I DON'T THINK WE'RE HIRING LOCALLY UNLESS WE HAPPEN TO BE POACHING THEM. 
          RIGHT? BUT A CITY MAINTENANCE WORKER, ON THE OTHER HAND, I SEE THAT BEING A LOCAL HIRE, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY MOVING HERE FOR THAT JOB. 
          SO YOU'RE COMPARING AGAINST OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. 
          BUT A JOB LIKE THAT I WOULD KIND OF SAY, OKAY, WHAT LOOKS SORT OF, KIND OF SIMILAR TO THAT IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, BECAUSE WE ARE LIKELY PULLING THEM FROM THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND MY HYPOTHESIS WOULD BE THAT OUR SEDONA MIDPOINT COMPARED TO THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH WE ARE OPERATING, THAT'S PROBABLY PRETTY STRONG AND PROBABLY ISN'T MINUS 11%. 
          SO DO YOU CONSIDER THAT AT ALL? AND HOW DO YOU TAKE, YOU KNOW, IF I'M PUSHING BACK ON YOU, HOW DO YOU TAKE THAT EXAMPLE? BECAUSE AGAIN, SENIOR PLANNER I, I'M BUYING INTO THIS METHODOLOGY ALL DAY LONG. 
          YEAH, A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND BY HAPPY ACCIDENT WE'RE GONNA END UP IN THE SAME SPOT, YOU KNOW, TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          IF I, IF I INCLUDE COTTONWOOD IN THAT, YOU KNOW, KINDA LOCAL NUMBER, THEN I THINK YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROBABLY IN DECENT 
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SHAPE. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT'S INTERESTING I THINK OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS IS HOW INTENTIONAL A LOT OF AGENCIES HAVE HAD TO GET WITH SKILLED TRADES, YOU KNOW, IN LABOR. 
          UH, THOSE POSITIONS HAVE PROVEN VERY, VERY DIFFICULT, YOU KNOW, TO FILL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, BUT I WOULDN'T DISAGREE. 
          I THINK THE QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THAT LOCAL LABOR FORCE TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, I DON'T BELIEVE I'M GONNA UPROOT, YOU KNOW, MY KIDS' SCHOOL DISTRICT AND CHANGE HOUSES TO GRAB YOUR NEXT CITY MAINTENANCE WORKER, YOU KNOW, POSITION IN SEDONA. 
          UH, SO I WOULDN'T DISAGREE, BUT I THINK THAT HISTORICAL DIRECTION FROM THIS BODY HAS BEEN, HERE'S THE COMPARATORS FOR ALL JOBS, AND WE HAVE CONSISTENCY FROM, YOU KNOW, ENTRY TO TOP. 
          WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT MARKET FOR ALL OF OUR POSITIONS. 
          SO WHEN I GET TO THE TOP, THE ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, WE HAVE THE EXERCISE IS THE SIZE AND THE SCOPE, RIGHT? SO WHEN I LOOK AT A DIRECTOR IN SEDONA AND A DIRECTOR IN TEMPE, YEAH, WE COULD BE 10 TIMES THE STAFFING LEVEL. 
          WE COULD BE 10 TIMES THE BUDGET. 
          AND SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BATTING A LITTLE BIT BELOW THAT DIRECTOR LEVEL WHEN WE PULL THOSE COMPS. 
          SO WE DO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, BUT MAYBE NOT THE OTHER DIRECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO TO THAT POINT, BRIAN, I WOULDN'T WANT TO TRY TO JUMP IN. 
          UH, IN THE VERDE VALLEY, THE MAYORS, UH, WE MEET REGULARLY, THE MANAGERS MEET REGULARLY, BUT WHEN BRIAN MENTIONED SENIOR PLANNER, THAT REALLY STRUCK A NERVE WITH ME BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE, THE POOL, OR I SHOULD SAY THE POOL IS VERY, VERY LOW. 
          IT'S VERY, VERY CHALLENGING. 
          SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND THEM. 
          AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE MANAGER AND I WILL BE MEETING AND, AND THE VICE MAYOR WILL BE MEETING WITH THE LOCAL COLLEGE, HOPEFULLY NEXT TWO WEEKS, UNLESS IT GETS POSTPONED YET AGAIN. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THE COLLEGE TO GIVE THESE KIND OF COURSES, UH, TO THIS, YOU KNOW, TO PEOPLE IN THE VERDE VALLEY. 
          UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE ALL HURTING. 
          I TALK TO THE MAYORS AND THEY SAY WE, WE HAVE A HARD TIME WITH PLANNERS. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE WORKERS, UH, YES, I GET IT. 
          UH, A LOT OF THESE, UH, POSITIONS, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THERE SEEMS TO BE A CHALLENGE. 
          SO WHEN YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH, ARE YOU GETTING THAT KIND OF INFORMATION OF WHAT THE AVAILABILITY IS? NOT SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, DOWN IN THE VALLEY. 
          WELL, THEY COME UP HERE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IN THE VERDE VALLEY HERE, VERY SLIM PICKINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT, I MEAN, THAT JOB IN PARTICULAR HAS EBBED AND FLOWED OVER THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS. 
          I THINK WHEN WE SAW THE RECESSION, THEY SUDDENLY, THERE WERE PLANNERS EVERYWHERE AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY ALL GOT KICKED LOOSE. 
          THERE WAS NO DEVELOPMENT GOING ON. 
          THERE WAS NO GROWTH. 
          THERE WAS NO, SO REALLY FROM OH NINE TO 12, THERE WAS AN ABUNDANCE. 
          I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM GOT YOUNGER, YOU KNOW, IN THE MEANTIME, EITHER OVER THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS. 
          SO INDIRECTLY, I WOULD SAY NO. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS A PAPER EXERCISE UNTIL IT'S NOT. 
          BUT I LIKE, I LIKE SOME REINFORCEMENT THAT I'M HEARING, AND THAT IS HR REALITIES, RIGHT? BECAUSE I COULD COME TO YOU WITH PERFECTLY OPPOSING VIEWS. 
          YOU KNOW, I MIGHT HAVE A POSITION THAT LOOKS LOW ON PAPER AND YOU SAY, WE GOT CANDIDATES OUT THE DOOR, NOT A PROBLEM. 
          AND THEY ALSO COULD BE TRUE, YOUR RANGE, IF THERE'S A SCARCITY OF PLANNERS, AND I OFFER A REALLY HIGH RANGE COMPARED TO MARKET, I SAY, WOW, YOU LOOK GREAT. 
          YOUR FINE COMPARED TO MARKET BEEN VACANT FOR 14 MONTHS. 
          SO THOSE TWO THINGS CAN ABSOLUTELY, YEAH. 
          BE TRUE. 
          I THINK TO ME, WE GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT DOES THE DATA SAY? AND THEN WHAT IS RUSS'S REALITY WHEN HE POSTS IT? RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK THAT THOSE ARE REALLY CRITICAL WHY YOU DO THESE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. 
          I THINK THAT PLAYS IN. 
          OKAY, RUSS? YEAH. 
          WELL, ON THIS SPECIFIC ANSWER, WE'RE LIKE 9% BEHIND. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADJUST THE SENIOR PLANNER SPECIFICALLY. 
          AND, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT MONEY'S NOT THE ONLY ISSUE, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SUPER COMPETE. 
          AND THAT GOES BACK TO KIND OF, WHICH JOBS DO YOU DECIDE TO KIND OF DIFFERENTIATE? SOME MAY BE A LITTLE LOWER, SOME MAY BE A LITTLE HIGHER. 
          AND THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE IF THAT'S A DIRECTION AT SOME POINT RIGHT NOW WE JUST WENT, HERE'S WHAT MARKET IS. 
          UM, MR. MAYOR, UM, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE COMPETITION WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR, WHICH I THINK MIGHT HAVE BEEN ALONG WHAT BRIAN WAS ASKING ABOUT. 
          I WAS ON A CALL TWO DAYS AGO WITH A PLANNING CONSULTING FIRM THAT WAS INTERESTED IN WHAT PROJECTS ARE HAPPENING HERE. 
          AND THE PRINCIPAL, UM, WAS EXPLAINING TO ME ABOUT HOW THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO GROW THEIR ARIZONA CONTINGENT BECAUSE THEY'VE RECENTLY HIRED SENIOR PLANNERS, PLANNING MANAGERS FROM PHOENIX, FROM MESA, FROM TUCSON, FROM ALL THESE PUBLIC SECTOR, UM, EMPLOYERS NOW ARE IN THE PRIVATE SIDE FOR CONSULTING WORK. 
          AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT ELEMENT. 
          WE, I MEAN, OTHER THAN JUST TO TRY TO LAYER IN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE DATA, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE. 
          I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE SECTOR DATA IN THE DATA, YOU KNOW, HERE. 
          SO WE'VE GOT OUR AVERAGE OF OUR 14 OR SO COMMUNITIES AT 53 IN THIS EXAMPLE. 
          AND 
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THEN ERI, MY ECONOMIC RESEARCH INSTITUTE IS A PUBLISHED SURVEY DATABASE, BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THOSE PRIVATE EMPLOYERS, UM, AREN'T OVERLY WILLING TO GIVE US DATA. 
          THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, AS SUBJECT TO KIND OF THOSE OPEN RECORDS AS THE INDIVIDUAL CITIES ARE. 
          BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PORTABILITY, CERTAINLY HR, FINANCE, UH, IT, UH, LABOR AND TRADES. 
          AND NOW, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY PLANNING AND ENGINEERING IS A WHOLE INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, LOVES TO STEAL, YOU KNOW, AND POACH WHAT'S NOTABLE, I THINK IS WHERE THE LINE, THE BALANCE TIPS IN FAVOR OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR. 
          AND IT'S USUALLY THOSE KIND OF THOSE PROFESSIONAL POSITIONS. 
          THEY HAVE BONUSES, THEY HAVE STOCK OPTIONS THAT HOPEFULLY COVER THE SPREAD AND THEN SOME ON MAYBE OFFSETTING YOUR PUBLIC PENSION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT IS ALSO AN AGE WEIGHTED KIND OF QUESTION AROUND WHAT OUR WORKFORCE, YOU KNOW, MIGHT VALUE. 
          BECAUSE GENERALLY THE PUBLIC SECTOR IS FAIRLY COMPETITIVE FOR ENTRY LEVEL POSITIONS. 
          WHEN YOU FACTOR IN PAID TIME OFF, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY ANNUAL INCREASES OF SOME KIND AS WELL AS A PENSION, THAT'S PRETTY WELL SUPPLEMENTED BY THE EMPLOYER. 
          THAT PERCENTAGE OF MY TOTAL COMP IS PRETTY GENEROUS AT THE ENTRY LEVEL OF OUR POSITIONS. 
          THAT LEVELS OUT AT MAYBE THE PROFESSIONAL FOUR YEAR DEGREE LEVEL, LIKE A PLANNER. 
          UH, AND THEN STARTS TO TIP IN FAVOR WHEN I START TALKING ABOUT MAYBE A PLANNING MANAGER OR, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER TYPE OF POSITION THAT HAS STAFF THAT HAS A DEGREE THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONAL WORK BEING DONE, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE GOT BONUSES AND YOU'VE GOT OTHER THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOUND REALLY, REALLY ATTRACTIVE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ALLUDED TO, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO STEAL, YOU KNOW, AND POACH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PUBLIC SECTOR, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHERE ELSE YOU MIGHT GO TO GET, YOU KNOW, THEM SHORT OF KIND OF THE GROWING YOUR OWN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CONCEPT. 
          UM, AND THAT, THAT JOB IN PARTICULAR, NOW CERTAINLY IN 25 YEARS OF DOING THIS, EVERYBODY'S STRUGGLED TO GET A DISPATCHER, A POLICE OFFICER, OCCASIONALLY CDL POPS UP, OCCASIONALLY IT POPS UP AND NOW PLANNING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF POPPING UP AND THAT'S, I'LL BE IN LAKE HAVASU IN TWO WEEKS HAVING THE EXACT SAME CONVERSATION. 
          THEY'VE GOT SOME VERY HIGHLY SKILLED, VERY SPECIFIC POSITIONS TO TRY AND FILL THAT ARE ALMOST DISRUPTIVE TO THEIR OWN INTERNAL EQUITY, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE REALITY OF TRYING TO GET AND KEEP THOSE POSITIONS DON'T FIT IN THAT CITY HIERARCHY. 
          THEY DON'T FIT NECESSARILY IN THAT CITY ORG CHART TO SAY, WELL, I PAY THEM AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, BUT SUDDENLY I'M PAYING THEM WHAT I'M PAYING A MANAGER OVER HERE AND THEY'RE NOT A MANAGER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THING. 
          SO IT'S JUST KIND OF BROADLY, WE SEE THAT WHEN THERE'S NOT, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, 80 OTHER OPTIONS. 
          SO IF I'M A PLANNER AND I LIVE IN PHOENIX, I MIGHT DRIVE TO TEMPE OR I MIGHT DRIVE TO CHANDLER, I MIGHT DRIVE TO GILBERT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS THERE WHERE I DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY MOVE MY HOUSE COMPARED TO MAYBE TRYING TO GET ONE IN SEDONA OR LIKE HAVE A SEWER, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          OKAY. 
          HOLD ON ONE SECOND BRIAN. 
          AND WE'RE REALLY BEHIND NOW. 
          SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW. 
          OKAY, THANKS MAYOR. 
          SO WHAT ABOUT THE NON-COMP, COMPENSATORY NON-FINANCIAL COMPONENTS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE IS INTRINSIC VALUE IN OUR RED ROCKS, RIGHT? AND, UH, IN A FORMER LIFE, I LIVED IN ORLANDO. 
          I DIDN'T WORK FOR THE WALT DISNEY COMPANY, BUT YOU KNOW, LOTS OF PEOPLE I KNOW, UH, DID RIGHT? AND THEY PAID POORLY. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR JOB. 
          FOR JOB, RIGHT? WHITE COLLAR, BLUE COLLAR DIDN'T MATTER. 
          THEY PAID POORLY. 
          BUT THE INTRINSIC VALUE OF YOU WORK FOR THE WALT DISNEY COMPANY CARRYING SOME WEIGHT, WELL, OUR DISNEY WORLD ROCKS OUT THERE, RIGHT? SO HOW DOES INTRINSIC VALUE, UH, LIKE THAT AND, AND GETTING TO WORK WITH FABULOUS PEOPLE LIKE THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL AND OUR RESIDENTS PLAY INTO PART. 
          UM, DON'T LAUGH TOO HARD, ROSS DON'T FALL OVER. 
          WELL, I SELL IT ALL THE TIME. 
          , I'M SALES CHIEF RIGHT HERE, BUT SERIOUS, HOW EXACTLY THAT, BUT SERIOUSLY, THERE'S INTRINSIC VALUE HERE THAT IS UNIQUE THAT THE VALLEY, I DON'T THINK CAN COMPETE WITH, RIGHT? SO HOW DOES THAT PLAY IN? AND I THINK FOR, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF KIDS THAT ARE COMING OUTTA SCHOOL PRETTY SOON, ONE'S, YOU KNOW, STUDYING PUBLIC POLICY. 
          I THINK IF I PUT HIS LENS ON FOR A MOMENT, HE WOULD, HE WOULD AGREE WITH YOU AESTHETICALLY AND THEN MAYBE TELL YOU IT DOESN'T PAY THE BILLS, RIGHT? SO I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE AT IN YOUR CAREER IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, LOCALE. 
          UH, 'CAUSE AS I STAND HERE AS A 50 SOMETHING YEAR OLD, I DON'T DISAGREE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THING BECAUSE I WORK FROM HOME ANYWAY, IT'S ME AND THE DOGS, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DURING THE DAY, IT WOULD BE GLORIOUS TO PARK RIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW, WITH A WINDOW. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT FOR THE WAGE EARNER, DEPENDING ON THE POSITION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, WHERE THEY CAN AFFORD TO LIVE VERSUS WHERE THEY WORK IS THE CHALLENGE. 
          WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME IN SEATTLE, YOU KNOW, MAJOR METRO PEOPLE ARE NOT LIVING IN SEATTLE, THEY'RE DRIVING INTO SEATTLE TO GET THAT WAGE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THING. 
          SO THERE MAY BE SOME OF THAT WHERE YOU COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, WELL, IF YOU JUST DRIVE A HALF AN HOUR, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AT LEVEL PLAYING GROUND WITH THESE OTHER 
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AGENCIES JUST TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE CAN OFFER THAT. 
          I THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU JUST HIGHLIGHTED ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE COMMUNICATING WITH OUR RESIDENTS ABOUT HOUSING, WHAT WE PAY, WHAT'S REASONABLE TO EXPECT. 
          BECAUSE YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT MAKING THE COMMUTE FOR A WAGE, A HIGH WAGE IN SEATTLE, AND WE HEAR THE OPPOSITE HERE OF A LOW WAGE WORKER SHOULD BE PERFECTLY HAPPY TO MAKE THE DRIVE IN TO BE ABLE TO WORK HERE. 
          IT'S, IT'S TOTALLY TURNED UPSIDE DOWN. 
          AND, AND TRYING TO GET THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT IS QUITE CHALLENGING. 
          YEAH, NO, IT'S MULTI-LAYERED, YOU KNOW, FOR SURE. 
          EVEN THE HOUSING DISCUSSION AROUND WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO OFFER TO PROVIDE RELIEF OR ASSISTANCE IS NOT A SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATION EITHER. 
          MR. MAYOR, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE ON. 
          IS THERE ANY MORE TO THE, THE PRESENTATION? UH, QUITE A BIT. 
          SO I'LL MOVE QUICKLY. 
          WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY, COULD YOU JUMP AHEAD TO THE RIGHT, THE LINE, WE'LL GET TO THE PUNCH LINE POTATOES IF YOU CAN PLEASE, BECAUSE YOU GOT IT. 
          WE WE'RE MORE THAN, HOLD ON. 
          WE'RE MORE THAN AN HOUR, UH, BEHIND. 
          OKAY, GO. 
          TWO MORE SLIDES. 
          WE'RE NOT NO, WE'RE NOT. 
          30 MINUTE CHIEF IS SCHEDULED TO COME IN ONE ABOUT 10 30. 
          WELL, SO, WELL, WE'RE DUE TO TAKE A BREAK, WHICH WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO TAKE IN IN FIVE MINUTES. 
          WE SHOULD TAKE A BREAK BEFORE THAN I IS BREAK, BUT WE ARE, UH, DEBATE THIS AND ON THAT. 
          TWO MORE, TWO MORE SLIDES, MR. MAYOR. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          TWO MORE SLIDES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, HIGH LEVEL, RUSS ALLUDED TO THIS, WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR PAY STRUCTURE, ABOUT HALF OF THE POSITIONS SURVEY WITHIN MARKET AND HALF OF THE POSITIONS SURVEY OUTSIDE OF MARKET. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WOULD REMEDY THAT. 
          SO WHEN I REDO THE MATH, ALL OF OUR JOBS HAVE A SIMILAR RELATIONSHIP TO MARKET. 
          WE ARE PROPOSING THAT SOME POSITIONS MOVE TO A HIGHER PAY RANGE. 
          WHEN WE DO THAT, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE SALARIES. 
          SO I SHIFT FROM THAT 90% OF PAPER EXERCISE, WHICH IS THIS SLIDE TO SAY, HEY, YEAH, SOME OF OUR JOBS NEED TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT PAY RANGE. 
          AGAIN, NOT A WHOLESALE ADJUSTMENT FOR EVERYBODY, BUT WHEN WE MOVE THOSE RANGES, I WANNA PONDER MOVING THE SALARIES TO AVOID COMPRESSION AND ALLOW SOME OF THAT MARKET MOVEMENT TO GET TO THE PEOPLE. 
          SO I'M NOT JUST LEAVING EVERYBODY AT THE MINIMUM OF YOUR PAY RANGE. 
          WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING ABOUT A 7% ADJUSTMENT FOR THE POLICE SALARY RANGES TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE ALIGNING TO MARKET THERE. 
          SO IF WE GO ONE MORE SLIDE, UH, WE WILL SEE THAT ESTIMATES HERE, THE AVERAGE CIVILIAN EMPLOYEE WILL SEE JUST OVER 4%. 
          THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT WILL SEE NOTHING, MEANING THEIR PAY RANGE WAS FINE. 
          SO IN THE CONTEXT OF 2025 IN IMPLEMENTING THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY, THERE'S NOT AN ADJUSTMENT FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY POINTED TO THE STUDY. 
          THAT 7% ADJUSTMENT FOR PD, ABOUT 150 5K BASE COST, UH, INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, THE AVERAGE CIVILIAN MOVEMENT, UH, LIKE I SAID, JUST OVER 4%, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR SOME LITTLE BIT LESS, YOU KNOW, FOR OTHERS ABOUT 700 K, 720 5K INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. 
          THAT GETS US TO NEUTRAL BUOYANCY RIGHT BEFORE OTHER AGENCIES WILL BE PONDERING 2026. 
          WE HAVE ANTICIPATED A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. 
          AND SO TOO, AS YOUR STAFF WITH RESPECT TO BUDGETING AS A PLAN FOR 2026, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, MERIT, UH, RELATED SALARY ADJUSTMENTS. 
          SO REALLY STUDY POINT TO STUDY 2025, REACT REALIGN TO MARKET, AND THEN KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          I WANT TO SEE SALARIES MOVE THROUGH THOSE STRUCTURES. 
          I WANT TO SEE OBVIOUSLY THE ADOPTION OF THOSE UPDATED RANGES THAT ALLOW US TO RECRUIT NEW HIRES AT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE FIRST QUARTILE, BUT ALSO KEEPING PEOPLE MOVING THROUGH YOUR RANGES. 
          SO EVERYTHING YOU'VE BEEN DOING IS SPOT ON, BUT WE HAD A 2023 IN THERE WHERE THE AVERAGE GROWTH WAS EIGHT AND A HALF TO 10%, RIGHT? SO WE DID HAVE SOME POSITIONS THAT FELL BEHIND, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT THOSE RANGES BE MOVED AND REPLACED BACK TO MARKET AVERAGES AND SOME ADJUSTMENT CONSIDERED FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS IN THOSE AFFECTED JOBS. 
          AND THEN CONTINUE TO BUDGET, UH, PER THE MERIT, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION FOR 2026. 
          THAT'S MY PUNCH. 
          BRIAN, THINK YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I THINK, WELL, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          I MEAN, THIS, WE'RE WE'RE FINAL COMMENTS ON THIS NOW, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE WORK. 
          I FOUND THE PRESENTATION TO BE HIGHLY COGENT AND, UH, VERY HELPFUL. 
          UH, I THINK THERE'S STILL DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST THE CASH AND, AND, AND COMPENSATORY ELEMENTS OF THE EMPLOYMENT RELATIONSHIP, BUT THIS MAKES SENSE. 
          SO THANK YOU, MELISSA, YOU HAVE A FEW WORDS, JUST FINAL COMMENTS. 
          I, I AGREE. 
          UM, HAVING BEEN A MANAGER, HAVING HAD TO SET UP PAY SCALES AND COMPETE IN A VERY TOUGH MARKET FOR SKILLED PEOPLE, UM, YOU OFTEN GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. 
          SO IF YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT WILLING TO 
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COMPETE, THEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE EMPTY ROLES, I BELIEVE, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET HIGH QUALITY CANDIDATES APPLYING. 
          SO PEOPLE LOOK AT PAY FIRST, AND THEN THEY LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER COMPENSATION WHEN THEY'RE MAKING THESE DECISIONS. 
          AND WHILE I AGREE, THIS IS A BRILLIANT PLACE TO LIVE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HELP THEM SEND THEIR KIDS TO COLLEGE OR PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE. 
          SO, UM, I, I REALLY, OR FIND A PLACE TO LIVE, PAY FOR GAS, WHATEVER IT IS. 
          UM, SO I, I THINK THAT WE NEED, WE NEED TO BE COMPETITIVE FOR HIGH QUALITY CANDIDATES, AND I THINK THIS HELPS US GET THERE. 
          VICE MAYOR. 
          WELL, I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR CITY MAINTENANCE WORKER CHART, AND COTTONWOOD CAN MAKE $10,000 MORE THAN IN SEDONA. 
          SO GUESS WHERE I'M GOING? RED ROCKS, RIGHT? . 
          THEY LIVE THERE. 
          ANYWAYS, BEGIN. 
          I COULD STILL SEE THEM. 
          . 
          I'M NOT COMING TO SEDONA TO WORK. 
          AND I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY A SPOT ON COMPARISON SINCE IT'S 15 MINUTES, 20 MINUTES DOWN THE ROAD TO CITY HALL FROM CITY HALL TO CITY HALL. 
          I THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THIS. 
          AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE POLICE OFFLINE. 
          I KNOW WE'RE RUNNING LATE, BUT I DO HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT, AND I THINK WE HAVEN'T GIVEN IT SUFFICIENT AIRTIME BECAUSE WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT BEING OFF, YOU KNOW, OFF THE BUDGET. 
          BUT I, I THINK IT'S REALLY CRITICAL. 
          I MEAN, THE HEART OF OUR, OF OUR OPERATIONS ARE OUR PEOPLE, AND WE SPEND MORE TIME ON, YOU KNOW, A BUS THAN WE HAVE ON OUR PEOPLE. 
          SO WISH WE HAD MORE TIME TO DISCUSS THIS. 
          DEREK, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION. 
          UM, I, TO ECHO THE VICE MAYOR'S COMMENT, YOU KNOW, OUR PEOPLE ARE, OR, AND WE DO NEED TO SPEND MORE TIME TALKING ABOUT THEM THAN WE DO THE BUSES. 
          UM, I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT NOT JUST BEING COMPETITIVE, BUT BEING AHEAD OF THE CURVE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S COMPETITIVE TODAY IS NOT GONNA BE COMPETITIVE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. 
          AND IF WE WANT TO ATTRACT THE TOP TALENT, UH, AND KEEP THE TOP TALENT WE ALREADY HAVE, UH, WE NEED TO BE PREPARED TO PAY FOR IT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S THIS PERCEPTION IN THE PUBLIC THAT, OH, IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO GET TO WORK AND SITAN, IT'S LIKE, IT'S NOT, I MEAN, IT'S A JOB. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THE EXPERIENCE I COME FROM IS, YOU KNOW, HAVING CHILDREN IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THESE TEACHERS, THEY GET PRICED OUT OF THEIR APARTMENT, SO THEY MOVE TO COTTONWOOD AND THEN THEY COMMUTE FOR A WHILE, AND THEN THEY SAY TO THEMSELVES, WHY AM I DRIVING TO SEDONA AND I CAN GET THE SAME OR BETTER JOB IN, YOU KNOW, FIVE MINUTES FROM MY HOUSE? AND THEN THEY QUIT. 
          SO, I, I, AGAIN, I JUST, I THINK WE NEED TO BE BEYOND COMPETITIVE. 
          WE REALLY WANT TO DO THE JOB. 
          THANK YOU, PETE. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU IKE, UH, TO APPRECIATE THE WORK AND LOVE AND APPROACH, UH, AND A PROCESS THAT WE USE TO GET THERE. 
          UH, I TOO THINK THAT OUR EMPLOYEES ARE A GREAT ASSET AND WE SHOULD SPEND MORE TIME THINKING AND TALKING ABOUT 'EM. 
          UH, THAT SAID, I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE THAT WE CAME UP WITH AN APPROACH THAT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT BROAD BRUSH TO ME IN TERMS OF, UH, THE INFLUENCE THAT WE PUT. 
          WE DEVELOPED A SINGLE APPROACH WITH A LARGE INFLUENCE OF DOWN IN THE VALLEY. 
          RURAL LIVING IS DIFFERENT THAN URBAN LIVING. 
          UM, AND SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WERE GETTING AT ABOUT WHERE YOU ACTUALLY DRAW IN THE POOL FROM, YOU KNOW, MIGHT INFLUENCE THINGS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT DIRECTION, BUT IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY BROAD APPROACH. 
          AND I WOULD THINK THAT WE COULD GET A LITTLE BIT MORE SCIENTIFIC REALISTIC ABOUT WHAT THE COMPETITIVE POOL IS FOR THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF JOBS. 
          THERE'S SOME THAT WE TALKED ABOUT PLANNERS WHERE YOU DO DRAW FROM A BIG AREA AND YOU GOTTA COMPETE ACROSS THE BIG AREA, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT AREN'T. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THAT WOULD SHAPE OUT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE DID JUST A VERDE VALLEY MAINTENANCE WORKER THING, WE WOULD STILL SEE THE INFLUENCE OF COTTONWOOD IN THERE, WHICH WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT, AND LESS OF THE TOP FOUR OR FIVE WERE FROM DOWN IN THE VALLEY, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT LIFESTYLE. 
          THAT SAID, YOU ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT SOMEHOW THAT THE COST OF LIVING IN SEDONA IS DIFFERENT THAN OTHER PLACES IN RURAL ARIZONA. 
          AND SO THERE MIGHT BE A FACTOR ABOUT COST OF LIVING RATHER THAN JUST 
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THROWING IT IN A FACTOR THAT COMES DOWN FROM THE VALLEY. 
          BUT I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT THOSE CONCERNS OF MINE WOULD HAVE A GREAT EFFECT OR NOT. 
          WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT 50% OF OUR WORKFORCE IS REALLY KIND OF CAUGHT UP IN THE NUMBERS THAT WE GENERATED. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE NEXT TIME WE GO THROUGH, WE THINK ABOUT IT WITH A LITTLE BIT FINER BRUSH. 
          I THINK IT WAS A, A, YOU KNOW, A REALLY NICE CONVERSATION AND A GOOD START. 
          THANK YOU, KATHY. 
          I ECHO WHAT'S BEEN SAID, BUT I'M REALLY, I'M, I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED BY THIS BECAUSE I WISH WE HAD HAD THIS, I IT DESERVES A MUCH MORE IN DEPTH DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH. 
          AND I, I WISH IT HAD BEEN A, A SEPARATE BEFORE WE GOT INTO LOOKING AT THE BUDGET, BECAUSE THE IMPACT OF THIS IS HUGE ON THE BUDGET, AND WE WANNA DO RIGHT BY OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          OUR EMPLOYEES DO RIGHT BY US , YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY IMPORTANT, BUT, UM, IT'S HUGE IMPACT. 
          AND IF WE, UM, HAVE A FINANCIAL IMPACT BY, UH, BIG INCREASES IN CERTAIN AREAS, YOU KNOW, TO STABLE THINGS OUT, WE DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR OTHER THINGS. 
          WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THAT FIRST BEFORE. 
          SO WE HAD THAT IN MIND TO PROVIDE CONTEXT FOR OUR DECISION MAKING ON THE REST OF THIS, INSTEAD OF THIS BEING LIKE THE TWO THIRDS OR THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY THROUGH OUR, OUR, THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GATHERING TO MAKE THESE BIG MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DECISIONS. 
          SO I I, I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED BY, BY THIS, UM, AGAIN, THE EMPLOYEES ARE, WE ARE NOWHERE WITHOUT THEM. 
          THEY'RE THE BACKBONE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DIGEST THIS IN CONTEXT OF EVERY OTHER DECISION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE IN JUST A COUPLE OF HOURS. 
          SO, UH, OKAY, THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU ANY INFORMATION, BUT THAT CERTAINLY THAT LETS ME VENT. 
          SO THANK YOU, . 
          UH, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. 
          THE ONLY THING I'M NOT SEEING HERE, MAYBE I MISSED IT, IS I'M NOT SEEING THE COST OF HOUSING IN THE MIX. 
          AND FOR SOMEONE WHO'S GONNA COME HERE, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE HOUSING. 
          AND THAT'S BEEN A, AN ISSUE HERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          WELL, ACTUALLY SINCE 20, WHAT? 15, 16, NO, 17 WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, WINSLOW PARADISE VALLEY, THEY HAVE HOUSING AND IT'S PROBABLY, I'M ASSUMING, AND THAT'S WHY IT SHOULD BE IN HERE, WHAT THE COST OF HOUSING IS INTO THE MIX WHERE IT, IT PROBABLY MORE AFFORDABLE FOR HOUSING. 
          BUT COMING UP HERE TO THE VERDE VALLEY, IT'S A PROBLEM. 
          AND I'M NOT SEEING, YOU KNOW, UH, COMPARISON. 
          CO WOOD'S THE ONLY ONE HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, CAMP VERDE, CLARKDALE, THEY SHOULD BE IN THE MIX ON WHAT THEY'RE PAYING. 
          UH, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE HOUSING CHALLENGES, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH IT. 
          I COULD SEE MORE IN THIS, UH, UH, EXAMPLE THAT I, IT WOULD HELP US, BUT I DEFINITELY, UH, AGREE WITH MY, UH, UH, FELLOW COUNSELORS. 
          THIS IS THE BACKBONE OF THIS CITY EMPLOYEES. 
          IF WE DON'T HAVE EMPLOYEES HERE, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A SENIOR PLANNER. 
          WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, A A TO ME THAT'S CRITICAL. 
          WE NEED THAT TO MOVE FORWARD, TO HAVE FUTURE, UH, PROJECTS. 
          WE NEED TO HAVE THAT POSITION FILLED. 
          AND IT'S A CHALLENGE. 
          I KNOW, AND THAT'S REALLY WORKING HARD ON DOING THAT. 
          SO IT'S NOT A LACK OF TRYING, UH, THE CITIZENS BUDGET GROUP SAID, OH, HIRE THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST. 
          AND I TOOK EXCEPTION WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, YESTERDAY. 
          BUT I KNOW WE ARE DOING THAT. 
          OKAY, BUT IF THERE'S NO HOUSING HERE OR WE'RE NOT COMPENSATING THE PEOPLE WELL ENOUGH, WE'RE NOT GONNA ATTRACT ANYBODY, LET ALONE THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST. 
          SO, UH, MAYBE YOU WANNA HAVE HOUSING COMPS IN THERE AS WELL IN YOUR NEXT REPORT OR, GOT IT. 
          SO WE UNDERSTAND. 
          MAYBE WE DO HAVE TO PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF HOUSING. 
          SO VICE MAYOR RUSS, WHEN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT PEOPLE'S EXPECTATIONS ABOUT HOUSING, SO THEY COULD LIVE IN COTTONWOOD, HAVE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE SAME PRICE AS LIVING IN SEDONA. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS, UH, DO YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING, THE MIX OF HOUSING, RIGHT? AND WE'RE BEEN LEANING, NOT THAT WE'VE DONE A LOT, BUT WE'VE LEANING TOWARDS, UH, SMALLER UNITS. 
          AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT IS THE MAKEUP OF OUR WORKFORCE MEAN? OUR PEOPLE HAVE FAMILIES BECAUSE WE'RE NOT FOCUSED ON, ON THAT SO MUCH. 
          AND MAYBE WE NEED TO, I FEEL LIKE WE OPERATE WITHOUT SUFFICIENT DATA TO DO OUR JOB SOMETIMES. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU TALK TO THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT OR NOT AND HOW THAT ALL FACTORS. 
          YEAH, I DON'T WANNA TAKE WIND OUT OF A FUTURE SAIL, BUT IT'S, I ALLUDED TO IT A MINUTE AGO WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE EXIT INTERVIEWS. 
          YEAH. 
          A UNIT IS A 
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UNIT AND A HOUSE IS A HOUSE. 
          BUT THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RETENTION, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN GET 'EM IN, YOU GET 'EM STARTED AND THEY START TO LOVE IT AND YOU HOPE TO SELL 'EM ALL THE BENEFITS OF LIVING HERE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THE REALITY OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS I WOULDN'T GIVE UP ON THAT CONCEPT, EVEN IF YOU CAN'T BUILD, YOU KNOW, A 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOME ON AN ACRE IN SEDONA TO GET 'EM HERE. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY REALLY WANT. 
          THE HOPE OF THOSE PROGRAMS GENERALLY IS TO GET 'EM HERE, GET 'EM SOLD ON IT, LOVE THE CULTURE, LOVE THEIR JOB, AND THEN AS THEY PROGRESS THROUGH HOUSING, THEY MIGHT FIND THOSE OPTIONS WITHIN A DISTANCE. 
          SO FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, IT'S STILL WORTH TRYING TO FIND THAT ENTRY, THAT INITIAL HOUSING OPPORTUNITY. 
          THAT, AND, AND I SAY THIS PART OF THAT IS, IS BECAUSE ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE JOBS THAT PEOPLE ARE MOVING FROM OTHER AREAS, THEY DON'T HAVE AN IDEA OF THE MARKET. 
          WE LIVE HERE AND WE KIND OF TAKE IT FOR GRANTED THAT CAMP VERDE IS JUST RIGHT THERE AND IT'S A 30, 40 MINUTE COMMUTE. 
          AND I USED TO TRAVEL AN HOUR IN SEATTLE, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF COMMUTE. 
          IT'S A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO IF WE CAN BRING THAT PERSON FROM SEATTLE IN FOR THE SENIOR PLANNER, AND BELIEVE YOU ME, WE WERE WORKING ON SOMEONE LIKE THAT. 
          SO THIS IS NOT A HYPERBOLE HERE. 
          IT'S REAL. 
          THE REALITY OF IT IS, IS THAT THEY STILL HAVE TO GET INTO A HOUSE TO START SOME HOUSING, SOME SHELTER, AND THEN WORK FROM THERE. 
          AND THAT'S, I THINK, WHAT WE HAVE TO, AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I WANNA WORK WITH TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE EASY OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE IT IS, I SELL EVERYTHING. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT CONVERSATION, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT HOUSING? WELL, YEAH, BUT I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH HOW FAR IS CLARKDALE AWAY AND WHERE DO MOST PEOPLE, SO ALL THAT CONVERSATION WE GET CUT TO THE CHASE REALLY EASY AND GO, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'VE GOT A $1,500 UNIT THAT'S AVAILABLE WHEN YOU START HERE, AND THEN YOU CAN CHECK THE MARKET OUT WHEN YOU GET HERE AND GET YOURSELF TO WHAT YOU WANT IN CORNFIELD. 
          YOU CAN GET A THREE ACRE PROPERTY FOR $3,000 AND GO BUY YOUR HOME ONCE YOU MOVE UP THE LADDER IN IT. 
          I MEAN, ALL THOSE CONVERSATIONS, ENOUGH SAID, BUT YOU GET THE POINT. 
          THAT'S REALLY WHAT I THINK OUR HOUSING HAS TO WORK WITH THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GET. 
          BUT LET ME JUST SAY THOUGH, JUST TO START OUT WITH THAT BASIC UNIT, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS VERY BASIC. 
          YEAH. 
          ARE WE LOOKING AT FAMILIES? ARE WE LOOKING AT COUPLES BECAUSE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN A STUDIO VERSUS A ONE BEDROOM VERSUS A TWO BEDROOM? I HAVE A TENDENCY TO TELL MY OWN STORY. 
          I STARTED IN VAIL AT A 600 SQUARE FOOT UNIT WITH MY WIFE AND I IN A FIRE DOOR. 
          ON THE OTHER SIDE WAS MY OFFICE. 
          SO THAT WAS CITY HALL, RIGHT? THERE WAS A ONE, TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNIT. 
          A POLICE OFFICER WHO HAD THREE KIDS, WAS IN THE THREE BEDROOM. 
          A PERSON WHO HAD ONE CHILD WAS IN THE TWO BEDROOM. 
          I WAS IN THE ONE BEDROOM. 
          'CAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN. 
          I WAS THERE ABOUT SIX MONTHS. 
          THEN I MOVED TO A STUDIO WITH MY WIFE. 
          WE FINALLY FOUND HOUSING, BOUGHT A 700 SQUARE FOOT, TWO BEDROOM CONDO AND HAD A BABY, RIGHT? THAT JUST GIVES, SO I DIDN'T GET MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE UP, BUT I WAS MOVING, TRYING TO FIND MY WAY THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          I WOULD'VE, AND THAT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO. 
          BUT THE POINT IS THE SAME. 
          I THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO HAVE AT LEAST SOME OF THOSE VARIED OPTIONS. 
          AND I THINK WE WOULD BE REMISS IF WE DIDN'T HAVE SOME MORE FAMILY OPPORTUNITY, NOT JUST ASSUMING SOMEONE'S SINGLE OR JUST MARRIED. 
          SO THAT'LL BE PART OF WHAT, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANNA TAKE THE WIND OUTTA THAT CONVERSATION, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, AT LEAST TO HELP ME IN THAT SALES JOB. 
          THANK YOU, DEREK. 
          UH, JUST TO GO TO WHAT COUNSELOR ELLA SAID EARLIER, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, ALTHOUGH I ADMIT I LAST MISSED THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT A OR WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A, AN ACROSS THE BOARD INCREASE. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING THE RANGES WHERE I FEEL THEN WE'RE PUTTING HR IN THE POSITION TO SAY, OKAY, WE NEED TO PAY THE SENIOR PLANNER X BECAUSE WE NEED TO ATTRACT ONE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT HAVE TO PAY THE CITY MAINTENANCE WORKER THAT MUCH MORE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A, A DIFFERENT POOL OF, OF PEOPLE TO PULL FROM. 
          UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GIVING THEM THE FLEXIBILITY OR THEY'RE ASKING THAT WE GIVE THEM THE FLEXIBILITY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I PERSONALLY DON'T FEEL LIKE I NEED THE INDIVIDUAL BREAKDOWN OF THE DATA. 
          UM, THE SECOND THING I'LL SAY IS, I'M ACTUALLY GLAD WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION TODAY BECAUSE I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE THE FRESHEST THING IN OUR MIND WHEN WE START HAVING THE DISCUSSION. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER STUFF'S IMPORTANT. 
          UH, I DON'T WANNA DISCOUNT ANY OF IT, BUT WHEN WE START DISCUSSING, OKAY, WHAT ARE WE GONNA SAY YES TO, WHAT ARE WE GONNA SAY NO TO? I WANT THIS TO BE THE FRESHEST THING IN MY MIND. 
          KATHY. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST WANNA ADD TO THAT, THAT I THINK THAT THE CONTEXT THOUGH IS BROADER BECAUSE YOU'RE, WHAT WE'RE, THERE'S ONE SEGMENT OF THIS IS ABOUT THE SALARY RANGE FOR STARTING 
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SALARIES, BUT THEN IF YOU ADJUST THAT YOU HAVE EXISTING EMPLOYEES IN SOME OF THE SAME EXACT CATEGORIES. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS JUST, IT'S AS FAR REACHING, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THAT. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE BAD WORD THESE DAYS, RIGHT? EQUITY, RIGHT , UM, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE EQUITY IN HERE. 
          AND THIS IS, THIS IS SO BROAD ON THE BUDGET, IT'S JUST A HUGE, HUGE IMPACT TO, TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          SO, UH, IT'S JUST BEYOND SALARY RANGES FOR STARTING POSITIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON. 
          THIS IS NOT UNLIKE NORTHERN ARIZONA. 
          HEALTHCARE HAS BEEN SHARING WITH US THAT, UH, AND THEY COULD PAY A LOT FOR DOCTORS AND SUCH. 
          HOUSING IS THE BIGGEST, UH, HINDRANCE IN HIRING AND THE SCHOOLS AND SOME OTHER THINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THEY, THEY WOULD RATHER LIVE IN FLAGSTAFF WITH AS MUCH MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOUSING IN VERY DIFFERENT HOUSING. 
          THEY HAVE IT UP THERE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE IT IN THE VERDE VALLEY. 
          AND I SAY VERDE VALLEY BECAUSE TO ME IT'S A WHOLE COMMUNITY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND, UH, WHAT DO WE HAVE NEXT? SO WE INCH FOR A BREAK, RIGHT? WE'RE IN FOR A BREAK. 
          I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT, ANNETTE? I SAID YOU ARE IN FOR A BREAK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ARE YOU, ARE WE MOVING TO POLICE NEXT OR ARE WE JU WE ARE, YES. 
          THEY SHOULD BE HERE IN JUST A MINUTE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE WILL BE BACK AT, UH, JUST A LITTLE BEFORE 20 OF TAKE, WE'LL TAKE JUST ABOUT A 10 MINUTE BREAK, GIVE OR TAKE. 
          I THINK THIS CONVERSATION, THIS IS, TRY NOT TO FOCUS ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE ARE BACK. 
          WE'RE ALL HERE. 
          YOU ARE THERE. 
          OKAY, CHIEF, NICE TO SEE YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          GOOD MORNING, . 
          YOU LOOK WELL RESTED. 
          SO GOOD TO . 
          I GOT SOME SLEEP. 
          YES. 
          OH GOOD. 
          THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME, UH, HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME THIS MORNING SO I COULD COME IN MORE CLEAR AND ARTICULATE, HOPEFULLY. 
          UH, SO, UM, GOOD MORNING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. 
          UH, MY NAME'S STEPHANIE FOLEY, CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, WITH ME, I'LL LET MY TEAM INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. 
          HI MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          I'M JESSICA BRYSON, I'M THE EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TO THE CHIEF, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          MY NAME'S AARON LOEFFLER. 
          I AM THE SPORTS SERVICES MANAGER, COMMANDER CHRIST. 
          SO WE BROUGHT ALL THE HEAVY HITTERS TO HOPEFULLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AND PROVIDE THE MOST INFORMATION POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD PUT TOGETHER. 
          SO, UH, WE DO HAVE A PRETTY BIG PRESENTATION. 
          I'M SURE YOU, YOU SAW WE EVEN MOVED SOME SLIDES TO THE ADDENDUM SECTION. 
          UM, SO HOPEFULLY YOU FEEL THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF DATA AND THAT WE SUPPORTED A LOT OF OUR REQUESTS. 
          UM, BUT I DO ANTICIPATE YOU'LL HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          SO WE'LL TRY AND LEAVE ENOUGH ROOM AT THE, AT THE END TO GET THROUGH THOSE. 
          SINCE SOME OF OUR SLIDES ARE A LITTLE MORE INTENSIVE, UM, YOU MIGHT HAVE A QUESTION AS WE'RE PRESENTING ONE, BUT HOPEFULLY AS WE GET TO MAYBE THE NEXT OR THE SECOND, UH, WE'LL ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          SO WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO, LIKE I SAID, LEAVE SOME TIME. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT, I WANTED TO START WITH JUST, UH, THE, THE FIRST SLIDE OF OUR OVERALL AS, AS YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE HAVE HAD SOME INCREASES AND, UH, THE, THE REDUCTIONS. 
          AND I'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE, UM, DIFFERENT SECTIONS AS FAR AS THE BUDGET OF WHERE THE INCREASES HAVE COME BEFORE GOING INTO THE DECISION PACKAGE. 
          SO, UM, THIS ONE IS, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC SAFETY RETIREMENT, WHICH I KNOW BARBARA TYPICALLY COVERS. 
          SO I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME AND I WILL TRY TO DO MY BEST NOT TO READ EACH SLIDE BECAUSE I KNOW YOU CAN. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA HIGHLIGHT THINGS OFF OF IT. 
          SO ON THIS ONE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT ARE GOING IN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EQUIPMENT AND SPECIALTY SUPPLIES, A LOT OF THAT IS REPLACEMENT. 
          SO WE HAVE OUR HELMETS AND VESTS THAT ARE, UH, RIFLE RATED THAT ARE EXPIRED THAT WE ARE PUTTING INTO THE BUDGET TO REPLACE. 
          SO THAT BECAME A HIGHER COST. 
          UM, TRAVEL AND TRAINING WE'RE INCREASING BECAUSE AS IT IS, IF WE LOOK AT THE BREAKDOWN PER PERSON, SO AN OFFICER, UM, IN OUR CURRENT TRAINING AND TRAVEL BUDGET WOULD GET $2,000 
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ALLOCATED TO THEM, WHICH NOWADAYS WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOTELS DOESN'T REALLY STRETCH AS FAR AS IT ONCE DID. 
          SO WE ARE INCREASING THAT. 
          SO NOW THAT, UM, WE HAVE IT MORE DIVIDED UP TO EACH PERSON WOULD HAVE ABOUT $4,000 IN, UM, A YEAR FOR ANY TRAINING, WHICH GOES TO A LOT OF, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR SWORN, UH, OUR AT LEAST THREE TO FIVE DAYS OF TRAINING. 
          AND THAT MEANS, UH, WHETHER IT'S FOR BECOMING A FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR OR DRIVER TRAINER, SO THAT WE HAVE SOME OF THE INSTRUCTORS IN-HOUSE AND THAT HELPS US, UH, HAVE MORE, UM, ONE-ON-ONE TRAINING AND ALSO HAVE OUR DEVELOPMENT IN-HOUSE VERSUS SENDING EVERYBODY AWAY, WHICH WOULD BE EVEN A HIGHER COST. 
          SO, UH, WE ARE JUST MAKING THOSE ADJUSTMENTS OVER TIME TO INCREASE WITH HOTEL TRAVEL, GAS AND, AND EVERYTHING TO INCREASE THAT BUDGET. 
          SO, UM, I'M GONNA MOVE PAST THAT UNLESS THERE'S MORE SPECIFIC WITHIN THAT. 
          'CAUSE THE NEXT SLIDE I THINK, UM, GOES THROUGH A LITTLE BIT MORE OF WHAT SOME OF THOSE WERE LIKE I WAS DISCUSSING AS FAR AS UM, THE PORTABLE BREATH, UH, OUR PORTABLE BREATH TEST IS SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE FIELD VERSUS BRINGING EVERYBODY BACK TO DO OUR INTOXILYZER. 
          SO IF WE'RE DOING A DUI INVESTIGATION, WE HAVE THAT DEVICE IN THE FIELD THAT DOES A PER PRELIM PRELIMINARY, UM, RESULT. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN SEE OUR SCHEDULING SOFTWARE. 
          WE CURRENTLY USE EXCEL, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE PAST USING EXCEL FOR SOFTWARE. 
          FOR US, IT'S A LITTLE MORE INTUITIVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, UM, TYPE IN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR VERSUS, UH, YOU KNOW, SCROLLING THROUGH AND MAKING TAB TABLES AND STUFF. 
          AND I'M NOT REALLY GREAT AT THAT. 
          SO IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE A SOFTWARE. 
          UM, CHIEF, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          YEP. 
          I'M NOT SEEING, AND MAYBE YOU HAVE ENOUGH SOUND METERS 'CAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT SOUND AT NIGHT PARTIES AND SUCH SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          UH, AND AT CERTAIN TIMES POLICE HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT. 
          ARE THEY FULLY EQUIPPED, UH, WITH THAT TOOL IN A TOOLBOX? NO, WE DON'T USE SOUND METERS ACTUALLY. 
          WE USE JUST THE STANDARD DEFINITION OF WHAT DISORDERLY CONDUCT WOULD BE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WOULD OUR CITY ORDINANCES FOR DISTURBANCE LEVELS AND TIMES, UM, THAT THAT'S MORE OF A CODE ENFORCEMENT TO ACTUALLY HAVE THOSE AND THEN GO THROUGH THE TRAINING OF THOSE DEVICES? I UNDERSTAND. 
          I I JUST WASN'T SURE WHERE YOU WERE, UH, CURRENTLY. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW AFTER A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD, 10 O'CLOCK OR NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, IT GOES FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT TO UH, PD. 
          SO JUST REASONABLE NOISE LEVELS WOULD BE GOOD. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELCOME. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THE, THE, I GUESS WE'LL CALL IT THE MORE SIGNIFICANT SECTION THAT WOULD TAKE TIME OF THE DECISION PACKAGES FOR POSITION? JUST ONE MAYOR, CHIEF, I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING, WHAT IS THAT IN YOUR PACKET? THERE WAS A BIG REPORT WITH LOTS OF CHARTS. 
          I THINK IT WAS ON THE STATE OF RECRUITMENT. 
          A LOT OF REALLY INTERESTING QUESTIONS THAT ARE KIND OF POSED IN THERE. 
          I DON'T NEED YOU TO GO THROUGH IT TODAY. 
          I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SOME TYPE OF CONVERSATION SOMEDAY ABOUT CHANGES TO ENHANCE RECRUITMENT, THE TIME BETWEEN APPLICATION AND HIRE, AND JUST WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE STATISTICS THAT WERE IN THERE. 
          THOSE, UH, CHECK, UH, UH, GRAPHS AND IDEAS ABOUT KIND OF WHO'S DOING WHAT AND WHAT WE'RE DOING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE BIG ISSUES OVER THE DAY. 
          BUT IT WAS A REALLY FASCINATING, UH, BIT OF INFORMATION FOR ME. 
          SO I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          WELL, AND, AND THANK YOU. 
          'CAUSE I APPRECIATE THAT COUNSELOR FURMAN, WE'VE, WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF A STRUCTURE CHANGE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY, UM, OVERSEEING OUR HIRING AND RECRUITMENT, WHICH IS SERGEANT OLIVER. 
          AND SHE'S DOING A REALLY AWESOME JOB WITH IT. 
          WE HAVE MORE APPLICATIONS COMING THROUGH AND MORE INTERVIEWS AND BACKGROUNDS GOING ON, AS YOU KNOW, UM, OUR BACKGROUNDS CAN BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN A TYPICAL JOB. 
          SO IT'S NOT, UM, ALWAYS SUCCESSFUL TO GET EVERYBODY THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          BUT WHAT, UM, SERGEANT OLIVER'S DONE IS REALLY AMAZING WORK FOR WHAT WE'RE BRINGING IN FOR, UM, PEOPLE TO COME TEST. 
          SO, UH, WE ARE TRACKING A LOT MORE TO SEE FROM THE TIME SOMEBODY GIVES US THEIR APPLICATION TO, WE DO AN INTERVIEW TO, TO THE NEXT STEP SO WE CAN SEE WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT IF WE LOSE SOMEBODY, 'CAUSE ANOTHER AGENCY DID IT FASTER, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO, TO STREAMLINE IT EVEN MORE? IT MIGHT, THIS MIGHT BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ASK IF YOU HAD AN ANSWER TO COUNCILOR FO'S QUESTION BEFORE ABOUT WHAT DOES THE ACADEMY COST AND WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE BAILS OUT OR EITHER IN THE ACADEMY OR WITHIN SIX MONTHS AFTER THE ACADEMY. 
          UM, IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN ANSWER THAT NOW AND I DID NOT DO THE WORK FOR IT. 
          SO, UM, THANKS TO MY TEAM 'CAUSE THEY WERE RESEARCHING THAT AS, AS YOU GUYS ASKED, AND I WAS ADVISED. 
          SO THE ACADEMY COST COMES JUST A LITTLE SHY OF 6,000 THAT WE PUT OUT TO PUT THE PERSON THERE. 
          UM, THERE'S PER DIEM THAT'S PRORATED. 
          UM, SHOULD THE PERSON NOT MAKE IT, THEY CHOOSE TO LEAVE, THEY DON'T COMPLETE IT SUCCESSFULLY. 
          THAT IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE THEM SIGN THAT THEY WOULD THEN PAY BACK 
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THE REMAINDER AMOUNT AT THE PRORATED FOR WHAT THEY DIDN'T FINISH. 
          SO WE GIVE 'EM $1,100 TO GO WITH TO BUY THEIR MEALS AS THEY SEE ACCORDINGLY. 
          UH, THE HOUSING'S ABOUT 36 75. 
          WE PAY YAVAPI 500 FOR THE REGISTRATION AND DEPOSIT. 
          THERE'S UNIFORMS AND THEN WE HAVE TO GIVE, UH, AMMUNITION FOR THEM TO DO DURING THE FIREARMS TRAINING. 
          SO ALL THAT COMES TO JUST ABOUT 6,000 TO PUT SOMEBODY AT THE ACADEMY THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE UNIFORM, THE VEST AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER COSTS. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE ACADEMY SPECIFICALLY. 
          AND THEN I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT IF SOMEBODY COMPLETES THE ACADEMY AND THEN GETS POACHED. 
          SO A FEW YEARS AGO THERE WAS A LAW THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE, IT'S 41 18, 28 0.02 THAT THEY HELPED ASSIST BECAUSE SOME OF THE SMALLER AGENCIES WOULD UPFRONT PUT THESE COSTS OUT AND THEN LARGER AGENCIES WOULD COME IN AND TAKE 'EM WITHIN THOSE FIRST THREE CRITICAL YEARS TO GET YOUR MONEY BACK. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK THAT UP LATER, NOT TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING THEY DID CREATE ON THE FIRST YEAR, IF YOU WERE TO DO THAT, WHAT YOU'D HAVE TO PAY BACK AS A PERCENTAGE THE SECOND YEAR AND THIRD YEAR THAT THOSE AGENCIES COULD GO TO. 
          AND I'LL JUST USE ONE JUST FOR AN AN EXAMPLE. 
          IF MESA PD WANTED SOMEBODY THAT JUST GRADUATED, GRADUATED AND IN THE FIRST YEAR THEY WENT THERE, WE WOULD GIVE MESA PD THOSE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT OFFICER AT THAT TIMEFRAME AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY US BACK. 
          NOW THAT CAN BE GOOD FOR SMALLER AGENCIES 'CAUSE THEY MIGHT NOT BE WILLING TO DO THAT, BUT SOME LARGER AGENCIES PROBABLY HAVE THAT MONEY IN THEIR BUDGET AND ARE WILLING TO PAY THAT TO STILL GET, UM, A LATERAL OFFICER. 
          BUT, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS A STATE, WE DID SEE HOW WE STARTED ALL TRYING TO FIGHT FOR THE SAME POOL OF PEOPLE. 
          AND SO THEY STARTED TRYING TO ALSO CREATE SOME INCENTIVES TO AT LEAST KEEP THE OFFICERS WITHIN THAT AGENCY FOR THE FIRST THREE YEARS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT CAME FROM THAT THAT I COULD HELP VICE MAYOR? A QUICK QUESTION. 
          UH, LICENSE PLATE READERS, I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN HERE IS WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT? WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING THAT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET WITH MONEY THAT WE HAVE SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PUT IT INTO TO NEXT YEAR. 
          GREAT. 
          SO WE ARE, UM, WORKING WITH ADOT TO TRY AND GET PERMITTING FOR SOME OF THE SIGNS THAT HAVE TO GO UP FOR SOME OF THE POLLS AND THEN WORKING WITH KURT HARRIS TO USE CITY POLLS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE TO PUT THOSE. 
          SO HOPEFULLY WE HAVE THE MAJORITY UP BEFORE THE END OF JUNE. 
          I'M HOPING THAT IT DOESN'T GO INTO NEXT FISCAL YEAR, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE EXPEDITIOUSLY TO GET THAT DONE THIS YEAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, CONTINUE ON. 
          OKAY, SO THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO THE DECISION PACKAGES AND PRIMARILY, UM, I'M GOING TO DISCUSS THE OFFICER POSITIONS AS FAR AS THE FIVE PATROL AND THE THREE FOR THE TRAFFIC UNIT. 
          UM, THERE ARE OTHER DECISION PACKAGES FOR THE PART-TIME RECORDS CLERK, THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, WHICH I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS PRIOR. 
          SO I REALLY WANNA SPEND MORE OF THE BULK GOING THROUGH THOSE EIGHT OTHER POSITIONS TO HELP YOU SEE FORMULAS THAT WE USE THAT HELP SAY WHERE WE SHOULD BE AT IN OUR STAFFING LEVELS. 
          UM, AND WITH THIS, UH, ERIN IS GONNA ASSIST ME WITH, UM, SOME OF THE WORK THAT SHE DID WITH THE DATA. 
          SHE REALLY ENJOYS THAT. 
          SO I'M SUPER LUCKY BECAUSE I DON'T ENJOY IT AS MUCH GOING THROUGH ALL THOSE DIFFERENT TABLES AND CREATING CHARTS AND THINGS. 
          BUT, UM, BOTH JESSICA AND ERIN LOVE THAT STUFF. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, SURROUND PEOPLE SMARTER THAN YOU AND, AND IT WORKS OUT REALLY WELL . 
          SO WE WILL, WE WILL BEGIN AND IF I START SEEING THE STARI, YOU KNOW, STA EYE, 'CAUSE THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION, I'LL TRY AND SLOW DOWN OR IF I READ ANY OF THE FACES AND MAYBE I LOST YOU, I'LL, I'LL TRY AND SLOW DOWN OR ANSWER A QUESTION, BUT HOPEFULLY IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND WAITING TILL THE END, YOU MIGHT GET SOME OF THOSE ANSWERS AT A DIFFERENT SLIDE THAT YOU'RE JUST NOT SEEING ON THAT FIRST BEING PRESENTED. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WILL BE WAITING FOR YOU THEN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT WAS TALKED ABOUT ON THE FIRST DAY WITH BARBARA OF OUR STAFFING LEVELS. 
          SO IN LOOKING AT WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN OVER THE YEARS, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE STAYED WITHIN 27 TO 30. 
          THERE IS A TIMEFRAME AROUND 2009 WHERE WE WERE AT 32. 
          SO YOU, YOU PROBABLY ARE WONDERING WHY IT'S NOT IN HERE, BUT THREE OF THE POSITIONS THAT GOT US TO 32 WERE GRANT, UM, SPONSORED. 
          TWO WERE FOR OUR, UM, SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER THAT WERE PARTIALLY GRANT, UM, FUNDED. 
          NOW OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE SOURCE OFFICER IS FUNDED FULLY WITHIN OUR BUDGET AND THE SCHOOL NO LONGER CONTRIBUTES. 
          BUT BACK THEN WE HAD TWO THAT WERE FOR THE SCHOOL AND THEN WE HAD ONE THAT WAS ON A COPS GRANT. 
          UM, SO THREE POSITIONS WERE DIFFERENT BECAUSE ONE WAS IN PANT AND THEN TWO WERE SRO. 
          SO ONCE THOSE CAME OUT, THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN SEE WE WENT TO 29 AND WE'VE ALWAYS STAYED JUST AROUND THAT NUMBER, UM, SINCE 2006 WHEN WE WERE 27. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR STAFFING CHALLENGES, AS YOU KNOW, UM, OUR POPULATION IS 9,700, A LITTLE BIT OVER THAT, BUT WE HAVE THE AVERAGE OF 3 MILLION 
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VISITORS. 
          SO IF WE JUST BREAK THAT DOWN DAILY, THAT PUTS US ABOUT 8,200 ADDITIONAL. 
          AND THAT'S NOT SAYING, I MEAN THERE COULD BE A HOLIDAY WEEKEND, WE COULD HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT AND WE KNOW THAT GOES UP, BUT IF WE JUST TRY AND USE THAT AS A STANDARD 97, 71 AND 8,200, THEN UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, WE'RE TRYING TO USE OUR PERMANENT POPULATION AND OUR VISITING TO SAY WHAT SHOULD OUR STAFFING LEVELS. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE. 
          WE AS OF TODAY, UM, NOW HAVE MORE SQUARE MILES IN OUR JURISDICTION. 
          SO WE WERE 18.6 AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL, WE ARE NOW AT, LET'S SEE, 2372 WITH THE ANNEXATION. 
          SO, UM, WE HAVE A MAP JUST TO, TO HELP SHOW THAT, UM, I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THAT AS WELL. 
          SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR CURRENT STAFFING IS AND THEN THE PROPOSAL. 
          SO HERE'S OUR ORGANIZATIONAL CHART. 
          THE DARKER GREEN IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOR CIVILIAN STAFF. 
          THE DARKER BLUE IS OUR SWORN STAFF. 
          THEN THE LIGHTER COLORS OF THE GREEN AND BLUE ARE WHAT I'M PROPOSING AND ASKING FOR. 
          SO THAT HOPEFULLY SHOWS A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAKDOWN OF THE REQUEST VERSUS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          SO HOW DOES OUR STRUCTURE WORK WITHIN OUR SWORN STAFF? WE WORK 12 HOUR SHIFTS ON ONE WEEK, IT'S FOUR DAYS. 
          ON THE SECOND WEEK IT'S THREE. 
          SO THAT WEDNESDAY IS THE DAY THAT FLIP FLOPS BETWEEN SQUADS. 
          SO WE HAVE FOUR SQUADS TOTAL, WHICH COMPRISE OF A SERGEANT AND THREE OFFICERS. 
          THAT IS WHAT WE CONSIDER OUR FULL STAFFING ONE SERGEANT, THREE OFFICERS. 
          UM, ACCEPTABLE STAFFING THAT'S BEEN OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN THREE AND MINIMUM STAFFING IS TWO. 
          SO WHAT I CAN SAY ABOUT MINIMUM STAFFING, THAT'S NO LONGER, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE WITHOUT HAVING REAL RISK AND LIABILITY. 
          SO IN INCREASING THAT, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS ONE ADDITIONAL OFFICER PER SQUAD TO GO ONTO THAT TO INCREASE. 
          SO THAT WOULD ALSO THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THESE LEVELS, FIVE WOULD BE FULL STAFFING, FOUR WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE, THREE WOULD BE THE NEW MINIMUM. 
          UM, SOME OF THE STAFFING DIFFICULTIES COME WHEN YOU HAVE ILLNESS INJURIES, UM, PEOPLE WANTING TO TAKE VACATIONS, MATERNITY LEAVES, MILITARY LEAVE, THOSE ALL FACTOR IN AND THAT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT BRING OUR STAFFING DOWN. 
          UM, AND THEN CAN CREATE THOSE CHALLENGES ON HOW WE TRY TO FIT IN AND BEST UTILIZE OUR STAFF TO, UM, STILL GIVE THE THE SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND CREATE THE SAFETY AND SECURITY. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS IS, UM, WE WEREN'T ALWAYS DOING THE BEST IN OUR HEALTH AND WELLNESS AND, UM, AND HELPING EVERYBODY. 
          I MEAN BACK IN THE DAY WE LOVED TO WORK A LOT OF OVERTIME. 
          WE LIKED BUYING NEW CARS AND PUTTING MONEY TOWARDS THAT AND DOING ALL THE FUN THINGS. 
          NOW OUR YOUNGER GENERATION HAS LEARNED THAT THERE'S MORE FOR, UM, THEIR OWN PERSONAL TIME AND WELLNESS. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS A DECLINE IN SIGNING UP FOR OVERTIMES THAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT HAVING A, A MUCH BETTER BALANCE. 
          SO, UM, IF WE DON'T HAVE A REALLY GOOD BALANCE OURSELVES IN THAT AND REQUIRING PEOPLE TO WORK SPECIAL EVENTS WHEN WE HAVE THEM COMING IN AND NOT MANDATING THE OVERTIME, THEN THAT CAN CREATE RETENTION ISSUES FOR US FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO GO GO TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WHERE THEY HAVE MORE STAFFING OR HAVE MORE, UM, AVAILABILITY TO TAKE VACATIONS, GO TO TRAININGS AND GET THAT PERSONAL GROWTH. 
          SO, UM, WE'VE BEEN MANAGING THESE OVER ALL THE YEARS, AS YOU CAN SEE WHEN WE'VE GONE DOWN IN OUR NUMBERS AND WE HAVEN'T INCREASED THEM AS ADEQUATE AS FAR AS THE TRAVELERS OR EVEN, UM, THE REST OF THE CITY AS A WHOLE FOR THE INCREASES, WE'VE STAYED PRETTY CONSISTENT AND UM, IN, IN EVERYTHING I'M SEEING, THIS IS NOT SUSTAINABLE FOR US ANY LONGER. 
          WE NEED TO INCREASE IT. 
          JUST BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD KEEP DOING GOING FORWARD. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE I'M REALLY TELLING YOU THE NINE OFFICERS THAT I'M REQUESTING, UM, ARE A NEED AND THAT IS WHAT I'M SUGGESTING FOR US TO, UM, GET TO A BETTER POSITION TO HANDLE THE INCREASE IN CALLS AND THE TYPES OF CALLS WE'RE GOING TO AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE OUR COMMUNITY THE SAFETY AND LIVABILITY THAT THEY DESERVE. 
          AND ALSO, UM, OUR, OUR OFFICERS TO ENSURE THAT THEY GET TO GO HOME AT THE END OF THE DAY AND HAVE THE STAFF AND, AND THE SUPPORT THAT THEY REQUIRE TO, TO HANDLE CALLS. 
          SO CHIEF TO THAT POINT, UH, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE. 
          I THINK IT, IT'S LONG OVERDUE. 
          IT'S SOMETHING I'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR TO INCREASE MINIMUM STAFFING FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          BUT I DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND I FOUND THAT TWO INSTANCES WHERE YOU WERE DOWN, YOU NEED TO PUT A FACE ON WHAT CAN HAPPEN. 
          YOU RECENTLY HAD AN ISSUE WHERE, UH, THERE WAS UH, AGAIN, A PERSON EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. 
          IT WAS AN ISSUE WHERE A CAR WAS TAKEN AND IT TURNED INTO A REAL PROBLEM 
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FOR, UH, YOUR DEPARTMENT AND YOU WERE DOWN A POSITION. 
          IT COULD HAVE GONE BAD REALLY QUICK AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. 
          I KNOW THAT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO THERE WAS, UH, A SHOOTING, I THINK THE FIRST SHOOTING IN THIS DEPARTMENT AND YOU WERE DOWN MANPOWER AT THAT FOR THAT PARTICULAR TIME AS WELL. 
          AND THAT SHOULD NEVER, I MEAN, IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED, YOU NEVER KNOW, I DON'T WANNA DO A MONDAY, MONDAY, MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK, BUT I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK HAD YOU HAD THAT ONE EXTRA OFFICER, HOW MAYBE THINGS COULD HAVE CHANGED. 
          SO I WOULD, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE PUTTING THESE EXTRA MANPOWER IN THE BUDGET. 
          UH, I THINK WITH EVERY DAY WE SEE ON YOUR, UH, REPORT THAT WE GET TWICE MULTIPLE CALLS FOR A PERSON EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND THOSE CAN GO BAD REALLY, REALLY QUICK. 
          SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH LOOKING FOR THAT EXTRA MANPOWER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, JUST GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE CHALLENGES. 
          THE THE BIGGEST THING I WANNA HIGHLIGHT IS WHEN WE HAVE OVERTIME, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA SEE MORE ERRORS BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING PEOPLE PAST EVEN THE 12 HOUR SHIFT. 
          SO A 12 HOUR SHIFT THAT TURNS INTO 14 HOURS, 15 HOURS, ALL THOSE EXTRA HOURS THAT WHAT WE SEE ON, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS OUR COLLISIONS CAN GO UP, OUR USE OF FORCE CAN GO UP OUR CITIZEN COMPLAINTS. 
          IT'S A DIRECT RELA YOU KNOW, CORRELATION TO WORKING EXTRA HOURS AND, AND THAT FATIGUE SETTING INTO WHAT, WHAT WE WOULD EXPERIENCE ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          SO WE WANNA AVOID GETTING TO A POINT WHERE WE, UM, CONTINUE TO INCREASE ANY OF THOSE. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT. 
          SO YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT, MAYOR, ABOUT WHAT A BUSY DAY LOOKS LIKE. 
          AND I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO SAY IS EVEN THOUGH, UM, WE SAY THAT WE HAVE 30 SWORN, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S ON AT ANY GIVEN TIME. 
          THAT'S WHY I REALLY TRY TO BREAK DOWN AND SAY THE FULL STAFFING WOULD BE A SERGEANT IN THREE OFFICERS. 
          BUT THAT IS RARE TO RUN THAT 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE ASSUMING NOBODY TAKES A DAY OFF, NOBODY'S GOING ON VACATION, RIGHT? NOBODY'S GOING TO A TRAINING AND NOBODY GETS INJURED BY DOING THE JOB. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S UM, THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. 
          AND THAT'S NOT HOW WE DO OUR DAILY OPERATIONS. 
          SO WHEN WE HAVE CALLS, WE HAVE THREE BEATS WITHIN THE CITY. 
          SO WE HAVE OUR WEST SIDE, OUR ROVER, AND THEN OUR EAST SIDE UNIT. 
          UM, SO THAT THERE'S OWNERSHIP OVER THOSE AREAS SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEM WHEN SOMETHING CHANGES. 
          AND UH, BUT MOST OF OUR CALLS NOWADAYS ARE TWO PERSON CALLS. 
          THEY'RE NOT A SINGLE PERSON. 
          SO IF WE HAD A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SITUATION, MINIMALLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THREE AT THAT AND THAT'S BECAUSE ONE'S GONNA STAY WITH THE VICTIM, ONE'S GONNA BE WITH THE SUSPECT AND THEN YOU HAVE ONE TO OVERSEE. 
          SO THE PERSON THAT'S HANDLING THAT CALL WOULD INTERVIEW ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE AND REALLY TRY AND GATHER THE MOST INFORMATION TO DETERMINE IF ARREST IS NEEDED. 
          SO A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE THAT ONLY INVOLVES TWO PEOPLE MINIMALLY IS GONNA INVOLVE THREE PEOPLE AT THAT CALL. 
          SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, THAT MIGHT TIE UP AN ENTIRE SHIFT. 
          IF YOU THINK ABOUT IF WE ONLY HAVE TWO ON, THEN THAT'S ALL WE HAVE AND WE'RE NOT HANDLING ANY OTHER CALLS AND THEY MIGHT BE DELAYED IF FOR SOME REASON WE HAD TWO CALLS THAT REQUIRE MULTIPLE OFFICERS, NOW WE'RE SPLITTING OR WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER RESOURCES. 
          IF IT'S DURING THE DAY, THEN YOU HAVE INVESTIGATIONS. 
          WE DO HAVE THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO PULL A LITTLE MORE. 
          WE HAVE OUR MOTOR OFFICERS, OUR MOTORCYCLE OFFICERS, YOU HAVE COMMANDER DOWELL AND MYSELF THAT CAN ALSO RESPOND IN THOSE SITUATIONS. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO STAFF FOR BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES THAT ARE ALSO VERY IMPORTANT. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, GIVEN ALL THESE CALLS AND WHAT WE CAN SEE, THEN WE NEED TO INCREASE THOSE OFFICERS THAT ARE RESPONDING TO THOSE CALLS AT THAT MOMENT. 
          CHIEF, WAS THERE ANY INFORMATION THAT CAME OUT OF THE OR YET OUTTA COTTONWOOD THAT HAD JUST HAD THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SHOOTING JUST THE OTHER DAY? WERE THEY FULLY STAFFED? I DIDN'T ASK ABOUT THEIR STAFFING. 
          I DID CHECK WITH THEIR CHIEF TO SEE HOW THEY WERE DOING. 
          AND LIKE US, WHEN WE HAVE A BIGGER CALL, WE USE OTHER RESOURCES. 
          I DO KNOW THAT WHEN THEY HAD THEIR, THEIR SHOOTING, OTHER AGENCIES CAME TO ASSIST THEM. 
          JUST LIKE WE HAD AN INCIDENT LAST NIGHT AND WE HAD YAVAPAI COUNTY, UM, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND COTTONWOOD COME TO SUPPORT US AS WELL. 
          SO IN THE VERDE WE'RE VERY LUCKY 'CAUSE WE ALL SUPPORT EACH OTHER KNOWING WHERE, WHERE WE ARE IN OUR STAFFING AND THE NEED TO ALWAYS HAVE MORE. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR STAFFING LEVEL WAS FOR THAT SPECIFIC CALL. 
          AND I GUESS I, I DIDN'T REALLY CONSIDER IT TO BE A NEED IN THIS AS I, YOU KNOW, REALLY MY FOCUS IS REALLY OUR COMMUNITY AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE AND, AND REALLY THE NEED FOR US TO IN INCREASE FOR OURSELVES. 
          BUT WHEN WE GET IN SOME OF THOSE MOMENTS AND IT MIGHT TAKE MYSELF OR COMMANDER DOWELL 30 MINUTES TO GET IN 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO GET DRESSED, THEN WE KNOW THAT THERE'S OTHER 
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SURROUNDING AGENCIES THAT ARE 10 MINUTES AWAY THAT ARE GONNA GET HERE UNTIL WE CAN BRING IN MORE OF OUR OWN RESOURCES. 
          IT JUST SHOWS THAT YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN FROM ONE SHIFT TO THE NEXT. 
          NO. 
          AND THAT'S THE THING ABOUT OUR JOB, IT'S NOT REALLY PREDICTABLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE ON, YOU KNOW, AND SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WELL, IT WASN'T A REALLY BUSY TODAY. 
          WELL, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT. 
          AND WE'RE PLANNING FOR EVERY DAY TO BE BUSY AND TO PROVIDE THAT SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE AND SAFETY. 
          THANKS FOR DOING THAT. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          SO, UM, WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          THIS, SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A QUICK BREAKDOWN TO SHOW YOU HOW, HOW IT LOOKS FOR RIGHT NOW, HOW OUR STAFFING IS. 
          THEN IF WE GO TO THE NEXT, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, ADDING ONE MORE OF FIVE OF THOSE SPOTS TO, TO THE, THE, UM, THE SQUADS INDIVIDUALLY, BRIAN. 
          SO THEN, OKAY, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. 
          CHIEF, THE SERGEANT THAT IS THE SQUAD LEADER, IS THE SERGEANT HERE AT THE POLICE STATION OR ARE THEY OUT AND ABOUT ALSO, TYPICALLY? SO IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND WE DO HAVE IT COVERED IN ANOTHER ONE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER IT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE ON THIS. 
          SO, UM, A SERGEANT'S RESPONSIBILITY IS, YES, THEY CAN HELP ASSIST HANDLING CALLS, BUT THAT IS NOT THEIR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR, THEIR SUPERVISOR, UM, DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES TO CHECK REPORTS, LOOK AT THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS, UM, DO USE OF FORCE APPROVALS. 
          SO THEY HAVE A LOT MORE ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THEM VERSUS HANDLING CALLS. 
          AND WE WANT THEM GOING OUT TO THE SCENE WHEN WE HAVE A, A BIGGER INCIDENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, UM, INCIDENT COMMAND OVER THAT AND THAT, UM, SOMEBODY ISN'T, THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A HIGHER LEVEL VERSUS BEING IN IT IN THAT MOMENT. 
          SO THE SUPERVISORS HAVE A LOT MORE, UM, RESPONSIBILITIES THAN TAKING CALLS. 
          MELISSA, I JUST REMEMBERED WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ASKING FOR . 
          I KNOW, BUT I, WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE. 
          SO THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER, IS THAT A SWORN OFFICER? IT IS. 
          AND WHEN SCHOOL IS NOT IN SESSION, HOW IS THAT SWORN OFFICER DEPLOYED? SO TYPICALLY WHAT WE TRY TO DO, SO THAT THEY MIRROR THE SCHOOL, IS THAT'S THE TIME THEY TAKE THEIR VACATIONS PRIMARILY. 
          AND THEY DO HAVE CONFERENCES THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER TO STAY ON TOP OF ACTIVE ATTACKER AND OTHER TYPES OF PROGRAMS THAT BENEFIT THAT PERSON THAT'S IN THE SCHOOL. 
          HOWEVER, ON THE TIMES WHERE HE RIGHT NOW IS NOT IN SCHOOL SESSION AND IS NOT TAKING VACATION OR ON A TRAINING, THEN WE FIT HIM INTO ONE OF THE SQUADS THAT MIGHT HAVE A SHORTAGE BASED ON THEIR VACATION SCHEDULE OR TRAINING. 
          SO, UM, TYPICALLY WE TRY AND LET HIM HAVE THAT SAME TIME OFF THAT THE SCHOOL DOES, BUT, UM, HE DOES ASSIST IN, IN COVERING AS WELL. 
          LET'S ALL TRY TO REFRAIN FROM ASKING, MYSELF INCLUDED. 
          SO CONTINUE ON. 
          SO GOING MORE INTO THE MOTOR OFFICER AND, AND THIS REQUEST SPECIFICALLY. 
          SO AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TWO MOTORCYCLE OFFICERS. 
          WE JUST RECENTLY HAD THE SECOND ONE COMPLETE THE, THE MOTOR SCHOOL. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, THAT SCHOOL IS ONLY OFFERED THREE TIMES A YEAR, SO IT'S REALLY HARD AND YOU HAVE TO WAIT TO GET INTO ONE OF THE PROGRAMS. UM, BUT HE HAS COMPLETED IT, SO NOW WE DO HAVE TWO OUT AND YOU'LL SEE THEM SPACED OUT SO THAT WE HAVE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK COVERAGE. 
          HOWEVER, BOTH OF OUR MOTOR OFFICERS ALSO FIT IN DIFFERENT ROLES AS I'VE, AS I HEARD WHEN WE HAD THE, UM, LAST PERSON TALK ABOUT HOW WE ALL FIT MANY DIFFERENT HATS AND WEAR THEM AND, AND WHAT WE DO. 
          SO OUR TWO MOTOR OFFICERS ARE ALSO OUR SWAT OFFICERS ARE SPECIAL WEAPONS AND TACTICS. 
          SO THEY GO TO A LOT OF THAT TRAINING. 
          THEY'RE FIREARMS AND THEY PROVIDE A LOT MORE INSTRUCTION TO OUR, OUR STAFF. 
          SO, UM, 60% OF THEIR TIME WAS ON NON-TRAFFIC RELATED DUTIES, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS INCREASE ALSO OUR MOTOR CAPACITY SO THAT WE HAVE EVEN A WIDER RANGE AND ACTUALLY CREATE A SQUAD SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAW WITH OUR, OUR, UM, SWORN STAFF FOR, FOR REGULAR DAY COVERAGE. 
          SO CREATING A SQUAD THERE SO THAT THEY HAVE A SUPERVISOR AND FOUR ASSIGNED TO THEM OF THAT ASSIGNMENT. 
          ONE WOULD BE A SERGEANT, ONE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL MOTOR OFFICER, AND ONE WOULD BE A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE INSPECTOR. 
          SO I DO HAVE A SLIDE THAT GOES OVER WHAT THE, UM, COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, UM, INSPECTOR DOES. 
          UH, AND I WON'T READ THROUGH IT ALL, BUT I WAS HOPING THIS HELPS, UM, PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. 
          IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE HAD IN THE PAST, BUT THIS OFFICER RETIRED IN 2024, SO WE WANT TO GET SOMEBODY BACK. 
          WHAT WE ALSO NOTICED IS HAVING HIM ON A SQUAD DID NOT ALLOW HIM TO UTILIZE THOSE SCHOOL THAT THE SCHOOLS AND TRAININGS AND CERTIFICATIONS HE WENT THROUGH BECAUSE HE HAD TO HANDLE REGULAR CALLS. 
          SO BY TAKING THAT PERSON OUT AND PUTTING THEM ON A SQUAD, WE CAN UTILIZE ALL THAT TRAINING, UM, MORE TO MORE OF A BENEFIT BY BEING PART OF THE TRAFFIC UNIT ITSELF AND FOCUSING ON TRAFFIC 
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ENFORCEMENT. 
          SO THERE IS A HIGH LIABILITY TO THE HAZARD THAT, UM, HEAVIER WEIGHT VEHICLES LIKE DUMP TRUCKS, SCHOOL BUSES, TOW TRUCKS, HAVE THAT. 
          UM, WE WANNA INSPECT BRAKES, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE PROPER, UM, UH, THAT SOMETIMES IT'S EVEN JUST THAT THEY'RE GETTING THE SLEEP THAT THEY NEED TO SO THAT THEY'RE NOT, UH, A RISK ON THE ROAD. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT GOES INTO IT. 
          UM, IF YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, UM, WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF HAVING, UM, MOTOR OFFICERS? A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH OUR RESPONSE TIMES. 
          AS YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME TRAFFIC IN TOWN AND SO THEY'RE ABLE TO NAVIGATE THAT AS I TALKED IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR WHEN, WHEN YOU, UM, DID APPROVE THE SECOND MOTOR. 
          SO, AND AT THAT TIME YOU HAD ASKED ME IF I NEEDED MORE, I SAID, LET ME, LET ME SEE WHAT THIS ONE GIVES ME AND, AND REEVALUATE IT. 
          AND SO WHAT I SAW WAS, UM, WE WEREN'T E WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET TO A PEAK TO EVEN REALLY IMPACT TRAFFIC THE WAY WE WANTED TO BY, UM, ENFORCEMENT EDUCATION TO GET THE REDUCTION THAT I'LL SHOW YOU LATER IN COLLISIONS AND, AND OTHER THINGS. 
          SO I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO INCREASE THAT. 
          WE NEED TO HAVE MORE, UM, OF AN ABILITY TO GET THROUGH TOWN THROUGH THE TRAFFIC, UM, HELP WITH OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE. 
          UH, AS FAR AS THE TIMEFRAMES AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME REVENUE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          IT'S NOT MASSIVE. 
          SO I DO DO NOT WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, BY DOING THIS, WE'RE GONNA INCREASE EXPONENTIALLY THOSE, BUT THERE THERE IS. 
          AND THE BIGGEST ONE IS THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE INSPECTOR BECAUSE THEIR, THEIR FEES ARE AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL THAN WHAT OUR CIVIL FEES ARE, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE FEDERAL FEES ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT THEY DO AND THEY CAN ACTUALLY PUT VEHICLES, UM, OUT OF ORDER AND NOT ALLOW THEM ON THE ROAD UNTIL THOSE ARE FIXED, WHICH IS GREAT FOR OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE'RE ENSURING THE SAFETY THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A BAD COLLISION, UM, ON, ON THE ROADWAY. 
          SO THIS WAS, UM, ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. 
          SO WE PUT A COUPLE OF YEARS ON THERE. 
          UM, THIS IS CALENDAR JUST SO THAT YOU CAN SEE. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, THE YEAR TO DATE IS FROM JANUARY TO MARCH 31ST WHEN WE RAN THESE NUMBERS TO PUT 'EM INTO THE SLIDE. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THE COLLISIONS WE'RE PRETTY MUCH ON PAR WITH WHERE WE'VE BEEN. 
          THAT'S THE TOOL THAT I'M UTILIZING TO SAY EVEN WITH THE TWO DEDICATED MOTORS. 
          AND LIKE YOU SAW BEFORE, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THEIR TIME WASN'T DEDICATED TO IT BECAUSE THEY WERE HELPING COVER SQUADS FOR SHORTAGE. 
          SO THEY WEREN'T IN THEIR PRIMARY, UM, ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE WERE WANTING SO THAT WE COULD SEE THE IMPACT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE. 
          SO HERE'S JUST SOME NUMBERS FOR YOU ON, ON OUR COLLISIONS AND WHETHER THEY'RE INJURY, NON-INJURY OR FATALITIES. 
          UM, AGAIN, OUR, OUR TRAFFIC WARNINGS AND CITATIONS ARE PRETTY MUCH CONSISTENT. 
          OUR TRAILHEAD, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WERE TO TRY AND TIMES THAT BY FOUR TO GET THROUGH ALL THE QUARTERS, UM, YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT BECAUSE THIS IS OUR SLOWEST, IF YOU WILL. 
          UM, SO THE NEXT NINE MONTHS, UM, IS WHERE YOU'LL SEE A LOT MORE OF THE INCREASE IN IN TICKET WARNINGS. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA GO INTO WHAT WE USE FOR THE DATA TO, TO SUPPORT THE REQUEST FOR THE NUMBER SPECIFICALLY TO THE INCREASE IN SWORN STAFF. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT FIVE DIFFERENT THINGS AND IN THE ADDENDUMS YOU'LL SEE THERE'S MORE INFORMATION IN THERE. 
          WE'RE JUST REALLY STREAMLINING SOME OF THESE. 
          SO ICMA IS A BENCHMARK THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY USED. 
          UM, IT STARTED IN 2003, WHICH REALLY IS MORE SO FOCUSED ON YOUR POPULATION. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, UM, AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I WON'T READ THROUGH EACH, BUT THERE'S THE RANGE OF 1.8, UM, TO 4.3 PER 1000. 
          SO, UM, WHEN WE GO THROUGH WHAT OUR NUMBERS ARE, THE 3.8 AND THE 4.3, IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES YOU'LL SEE THAT'S BASED ON OUR REGION, OUR 10,000 POPULATION UNDER 10, AND THEN ALSO THE WESTERN REGION. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT WITH JUST OUR POPULATION ITSELF OF THE 97 71, THEN, UM, THE SUGGESTION THROUGH THE I CMA IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE 37 SWORN OFFICERS. 
          IF WE USE THE 4.3 AT THAT RANGE, IT WOULD SAY THAT WE NEED 42. 
          AND SO AGAIN, JUST TO TELL YOU, WE ARE CURRENTLY AT 30. 
          SO ONE IS SAYING THAT WE'RE SEVEN SHORT ONE'S SAYING WE'RE 12. 
          IF WE ADD IN THE VISITING POPULATION OF THE 82 USING THOSE SAME NUMBERS, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S SAYING WE NEED 69 AND 78. 
          AND THIS, AGAIN, WHEN WE GO THROUGH IT, WE'RE GONNA EXPLAIN THIS ONE ITSELF LOOKS AT POPULATION AS ITS STRONGEST TOOL. 
          WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU OTHERS THAT WE USE CALL FOR SERVICE TIME ON CALLS TO SHOW WHERE THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BE. 
          SO, UM, I MEAN, I JUST BASICALLY SAID THIS, BUT THIS SLIDE WILL GIVE MORE OF THE INFORMATION, SO I DON'T WANNA SPEND TIME THERE. 
          UM, SO WHEN I SAID THAT WHAT NUMBERS WE USE TO SHOW THE STAFFING IS BASED ON 
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OUR CITIES THAT ARE FEWER THAN 10,000 RESIDENTS, WE, THE NUMBER WOULD BE 3.8 AND THEN THAT'S WHY WE USE THAT ONE. 
          AND THEN WITH THE WESTERN REGION, WHICH WE'RE IN, THEY'RE SUGGESTING A 4.3 MEASURE OF OFFICERS PER 1000 RESIDENTS. 
          SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THOSE NUMBERS AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT, WHICH IS, UH, ANOTHER MODEL BASED ON, ON DETERMINING IT. 
          SO, AND THIS IS MORE ON WORKLOAD, SO WHAT I WANNA SHOW YOU IS IN 2024, WHEN YOU LOOK, LOOK AT OUR WORKLOAD FROM MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, THE DIFFERENCE IN THOSE CALLS ARE ABOUT 300, WHICH MEANS FIVE TO SIX CALLS A DAY. 
          SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. 
          UM, GIVEN THAT ENTIRE YEAR ON A SUNDAY, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE CALLS ARE ON A SUN, AND THEN ON OR ON A MONDAY, AND THEN ON A SUNDAY, THAT'S ABOUT A 300 CALL DIFFERENCE, FIVE TO SIX CALLS A DAY, UM, PER DAY, AND THEN 55, UM, CALLS TOTAL WHEN YOU BREAK IT OUT. 
          AND THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT, WHAT WE SAW WAS WE WERE HAVING SOME STAFFING CHALLENGES ON OUR FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY WITH SOME INJURIES. 
          SO OUR, OUR, UM, STAFFING HAD GONE DOWN. 
          SO WHAT WE DID ON THIS NEXT SLIDE, WE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AND WE SHIFTED, UM, SOME STAFF TO BE MORE OF A SWING, WHICH YOU CAN SEE. 
          THEN OUR CALLS WENT BACK UP, WHICH REALLY SUGGESTS THAT WHEN OUR STAFFING'S LOWER, OUR PROACTIVITY DOES GO DOWN BECAUSE WE TAKE A MORE DEFENSIVE APPROACH IN HANDLING, MEANING THAT WE'RE NOT OUT THERE, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR AS MANY THINGS AS WE SHOULD BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING. 
          'CAUSE A CALL MIGHT COME IN, WE DON'T WANNA BE TIED UP ON SOMETHING ELSE. 
          WE WANNA BE ABLE TO HANDLE WHAT WE NEED TO. 
          SO WHEN OUR STAFFING GETS BACK TO A, A BETTER, UM, PLACE, THEN WE ARE BOTH PROACTIVE AND, UM, THEN TAKING CALLS AS THEY COME IN VERSUS BEING STRICTLY MORE DEFENSIVE AND REACTIVE. 
          CAN I ASK A SPECIFIC QUESTION ON THIS CHART? OKAY. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I DIDN'T THINK CALLS FOR SERVICE EVER INCLUDED PROACTIVE ACTIVITY. 
          THEY DO. 
          UM, AND THESE MEASUREMENTS, AND YOU'LL SEE ON ANOTHER SLIDE, THEY'LL, THEY'LL, ONE OF THE, THE MODELS ASKS US TO TAKE OUT TRAFFIC STOPS. 
          SO WE TAKE THOSE OUT AND STILL SHOW THE NUMBERS. 
          BUT CALLS FOR SERVICE CAN BE A CALL THAT WE ARE CALLED TO, IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT WE SELF-INITIATE. 
          IT CAN BE A REQUEST THAT COMES IN FOR EXTRA PATROL OR AN AREA CHECK. 
          SO IT'S ALL CALLS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HANDLE IN, IN WHAT THIS MODEL IS. 
          SO THAT'S A REALLY GREAT QUESTION SO THAT IT CAN BE UNDERSTOOD MORE. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE ON ANOTHER SLIDE, WE WILL TAKE OUT THE TRAFFIC STOPS, THE SELF-INITIATED TO SHOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M GONNA TRANSFER IT OVER TO AARON AND SHE'LL DISCUSS THIS HEAT MAP THAT WE DID AND SOME OF THE OTHERS BECAUSE IT GETS PRETTY, UM, INTENSE. 
          SO SOME OF YOU THAT REALLY LOVE DATA MIGHT ENJOY THIS NEXT PART A LITTLE MORE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? CAN YOU JUST GO A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MIC PLEASE? OKAY. 
          SO THIS UH, HEAT MAP IS, UM, A SNAPSHOT OF A SLIDE THAT YOU SAW A COUPLE, UH, SLIDES AGO, BROKEN OUT IN 2024 BY DAY. 
          THIS IS JUST BREAKING IT OUT BY PEAK WORKLOAD, WHICH WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS, UM, IN A COUPLE MORE SLIDES. 
          SO THIS IS JUST SHOWING YOU BLESS, BLESS YOU. 
          UM, THE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT ARE PER HOUR AND WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT IS IT SHOWS YOU, OBVIOUSLY THE RED IS WHEN IT'S BUSIER AND GREEN IS UM, WHEN IT'S A LOWER CALL VOLUME. 
          BUT WHEN WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS, THERE ARE TIMES THAT WE SAID THAT WE CAN GO DOWN TO POSSIBLY TWO, WHICH IS BETWEEN 2:00 AM AND 10:00 AM. 
          WELL REALLY YOU CAN SEE THAT ONLY FOUR OF THOSE EIGHT HOURS ARE LOWER PEAKS WHERE WE HAVE LOWER CALL VOLUMES. 
          AND WHEN THAT'S BROKEN OUT, IT'S REALLY NOT IDEAL TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON THERE. 
          WHEN WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE TIME TO CALL, THE TIME TO PROCESS THESE ACTUAL CALLS FOR SERVICE, WHICH WE'RE GONNA GET INTO. 
          SO THIS JUST SHOWS THAT, UM, WE HAD 20,292 CALLS FOR SERVICE IN 2024 IN THE ADDENDUMS THAT YOU RECEIVED. 
          I ALSO BROKE OUT 2025 TO JUST SHOW THAT WE'RE TRENDING IN THE SAME, UM, MANNER, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE THREE MOST, UM, SLOWER TIME, UH, FOR SEDONA SO FAR. 
          UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT AS A COMPARATIVE. 
          OKAY, SO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER THAT OUR CURRENT MINIMUM STAFFING RIGHT NOW IS FOUR SWORN, WHICH INCLUDES THREE OFFICERS AND ONE SERGEANT. 
          UM, AND REALLY THE SERGEANT HAS A LOT OF ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES. 
          SO THEY'RE NOT THE PRIMARY OFFICER THAT IS RESPONDING TO CALLS FOR SERVICE, WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL THESE SLIDES 
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BECAUSE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT AND WHAT I ANALYZED WAS, UM, WHAT AN OFFICER, UH, ONE OFFICER RESPONDING AND BEING THE RESPONSIBLE OFFICER. 
          AND A LOT OF THE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT WE HAVE ARE ACTUALLY, UM, MANDATORY OR A MINIMUM OF TWO OFFICER RESPONSE. 
          AND SO SOME OF THE OTHER OFFICERS ARE ALSO TOUCHING ON SOME OF THESE, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE MAIN OFFICER ON THESE CALLS. 
          SO, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THIS CAN, THE VOLUME CAN BE, UM, I'M SORRY, THE DUE TO THE CALL VOLUME MINIMUM STAFFING CAN BE REDUCED, BUT IT'S NOT OPTIMUM BECAUSE WHAT WE ANALYZED AND FIGURED OUT IS THAT AN, UH, AVERAGE CALL FOR SERVICE TAKES 53 MINUTES FOR AN OFFICER TO, UM, TO ACTUALLY PROCESS A CALL. 
          SO WHEN YOU BREAK THAT OUT IN THAT MINIMUM TIME PERIOD, IF YOU ONLY HAVE TWO OFFICERS DOWN THERE, IT EQUATES TO 44 MINUTES OF THEIR TIME FOR EACH OF THOSE OFF HOURS. 
          SO IF ANYTHING HAPPENS OR THEY NEED ANY ADDITIONAL INFO, YOU KNOW, UM, OFFICERS TO ASSIST WITH, THERE'S NOT THE STAFFING AVAILABLE FOR IT. 
          SO ANOTHER ONE OF THE MATTHEWS THAT WE, THAT I ANALYZED WAS THE ICMA RULE OF 60, WHICH HAS A LOT OF COMPONENTS THAT YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY ANALYZE. 
          BUT THE THREE BASIC RULES ARE THAT 60% OF YOUR SWORN OFFICERS SHOULD BE DESIGNATED TO PATROL. 
          OF THOSE 60, NO MORE THAN 60% OF THEIR TIMES SHOULD BE ON, UM, SHOULD BE FOR CALLS FOR SERVICE. 
          SO THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT OTHER TIME AVAILABLE FOR PROACTIVITY OR BEING READY FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN. 
          AND, UM, HANDLING THOSE CALLS FOR SERVICE SHOULD NOT EXCEED 60% OF A DUTY HOUR. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THOSE, I ALSO HAD TO ANALYZE THERE THEIR AVAILABLE TIME. 
          SO IN A GIVEN YEAR, IF AN OFFICER JUST WORKS OR ANYBODY JUST WORKS STRAIGHT TIME, 80 HOURS AND A TWO WEEK PAY PERIOD FOR 26 PAY PERIODS, THAT'S 2080 HOURS I HAD TO ANALYZE. 
          UM, AND I WANTED TO UH, PREFACE THIS AS WELL. 
          SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT IS IN HERE THAT WE HAVE GIVEN AS DATA IS FOR OUR FISCAL YEAR, BUT A LOT OF THIS DATA AND THE MAJORITY OF THE DATA WAS ANALYZED AT A CALENDAR YEAR BECAUSE I HAD TO ANALYZE OFFICERS AVAILABLE TIME, WHICH CAME FROM A DP OVER A CALENDAR YEAR TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORKING. 
          AND SO LOOKING AT WHAT THEIR REGULAR HOURS WERE, UM, I HAD TO REDUCE WHAT THEY ACT WENT TO TRAINING AND HOW MUCH THEY WERE ON LIGHT DUTY OR IF THEY WERE OUT ON ADMINISTRATIVE BELIEVE. 
          AND SO WHEN I LOOKED AT EVERYBODY, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN RESPONSE, I'M JUST BREAKING STUFF HERE, , WHEN I LOOKED AT EVERYBODY THAT COULD HAVE WORKED ON PATROL, WE ONLY HAD 61% OR 61.8% OFFICERS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AVAILABLE FOR THOSE CALLS. 
          AND IDEALLY IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT, RIGHT? SO IF YOU LOOK AT, WE HAD ALL 30, WE ACTUALLY ONLY HAD 61% OF OUR STAFF THAT WAS AVAILABLE, RIGHT? AND THEN IF WE ANALYZE WHAT UTILIZING THE SIX RULE OF 60, WE WANNA SAY, OKAY, OF THAT, OF THAT OFFICER AVAILABLE TIME, WHAT WERE THEY AVAILABLE TO BE OF, UM, OF, YOU KNOW, TO DEDICATE 60% OF THEIR TIME TO PATROL, WE ONLY HAD 40.9% OR 41% AVAILABILITY. 
          SO WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT OUR CURRENT STAFFING NEEDS AND JUST SIMPLE MATH, IF WE HAVE 30 SWORN AND WE HAVE TO PUT 60% OF THOSE AND DEDICATE THEM TO PATROL, THAT'S 18, RIGHT? WE ONLY HAVE 16 'CAUSE WE HAVE FOUR SQUADS WITH THREE, BLESS YOU, BLESS YOU OFFICERS AND A SERGEANT. 
          SO THEN IF I LOOK AT THAT, WHAT I HAD, UM, AND SAY THAT WELL REALLY ONLY HAD 40% BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY AVAILABLE 61% AND I WANT THEM TO BE AVAILABLE, UM, OR NOT TO MAXIMIZE 60%, THEN I REALLY ONLY HAD 12. 
          SO I'M STILL AT A DEFICIT. 
          WHAT I WANNA DO IS GET THEM TO 75%, WHICH IS WHAT INDUSTRY STANDARD SAYS, THE IACP, THE FBI, THE ICMA SHOWS THAT STAFFING, UM, SHOULD YOU SHOULD HAVE TO BE FULLY CAPABLE TO TAKE CALLS FOR SERVICE WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY IS YOU WANT THEM TO BE 75%. 
          BECAUSE 25% OF THAT TIME IS GONNA BE TRAINING AND VACATIONS. 
          UM, AND SO WHEN I ANALYZE THAT, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN ONE OF THE ADDENDUMS, WE WOULD'VE NEEDED 13 ADDITIONAL OFFICERS. 
          SO THIS NEXT SLIDE, I'LL JUST GO, UM, UM, PASS BECAUSE I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          AND, UM, BUT WHAT I DO WANNA SAY IS THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS, UM, THE RULE OF 60 IS JUST MUCH MORE THAN THE THREE, UM, STEPS THAT IT TAKES. 
          IT IS MEANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, UH, COMPREHENSIVE AND ROBUST, UM, ANA, UM, ANALYSIS OF WHAT YOUR COMMUNITY NEEDS. 
          AND SO THE OFFICERS THAT YOU NEED TO, TO FULFILL THOSE. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT, AS I STATED EARLIER, UM, 
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ALL CALLS FOR SERVICE IN 2024, WE ACTUALLY HAD 63% OF THE, UH, HOURS THAT OFFICERS WERE AVAILABLE TO. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, IS SHE ON THE WRONG ONE? OH, OKAY. 
          UM, WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR CALLS FOR SERVICE, BUT IN 2025, WHAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRENDING IS, UH, 71%. 
          AND THEN AS I STATED EARLIER, IF WE WERE GONNA, WITH THE RULE OF 60, STILL ON NUMBER THREE, IF WE WANNA SAY 6% SHOULDN'T BE MORE THAN CALLS FOR SERVICE, WE ARE AT 53 MINUTES. 
          SO WE'RE EXCEEDING THAT AND WE CAN GO OVER, UM, THE NEXT ONE AND GO TO THE SATURATION INDEX. 
          OKAY, SO WHAT THIS IS IS A DEMONSTRATION AND A BREAKOUT OF, UM, THE PREVIOUS SLIDES THAT YOU SAW, THE HEAT MAP AND THE CALLS FOR SERVICE BY DAY. 
          AND THIS IS TO SHOW WHAT THE OFFICER'S THRESHOLDS ARE IN 2024, WHAT WE WANT THEM TO BE AT. 
          SO THIS IS TAKEN IN CONSIDERATION WHAT THE MOST CALL THE PEAK WORKLOAD OF WHEN THE CALL IS, THE HIGHEST CALL VOLUMES WERE TAKEN IN CONSIDERATION THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE AVAILABLE 25% OF THE TIME AND THAT 60% SHOULDN'T BE MORE THAN 60, SHOULDN'T BE, UM, USED FOR THESE CALLS FOR SERVICE TO SEE WHAT OUR REQUIRED, OUR REQUIRED STAFFING IS. 
          WHAT THIS REALLY IS, IS A SUPPLY AND DEMAND ANALYSIS WE'RE LOOKING AT TO SEE WHAT OUR DEMAND IS OR WHAT OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE, AND THEN WHAT THE SUPPLY IS, WHAT OUR STAFFING NEEDS ARE. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THIS ANALYSIS REALLY, IT JUST BREAKS DOWN. 
          AND WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE THIS RULE OF 60 STATES THAT THE SATURATION INDEX OF 60 OR THE THRESHOLD IS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT REALLY OFFICERS SHOULD OPERATE AT SO THAT THEY CAN OPTIMALLY PERFORM THEIR JOB WHEN THEY ARE AT A 60% WORKING CAPACITY OR MORE THAN THEY ARE IN A REACTIVE MODE AND LESS PROACTIVE BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY JUST WAITING AROUND IT BEFORE THE NEXT CALL FOR SERVICE TO HAPPEN. 
          AND THE NEXT ONE I I TALKED ABOUT ALREADY WITH THE EXPIRATION DATE. 
          SO WHEN, UM, LOOKING AT 2024 AND BREAKING ALL THAT DOWN, UM, THE, I AM SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT OUR REQUIRED STAFFING AND TAKING IN THOSE CA CONSIDERATIONS AND ALL THOSE CALCULATIONS AND WHAT OUR CURRENT STAFFING NEEDS. 
          THIS SHOWS THE DEVIATION OR WHERE WE EITHER ARE A DEFICIT OR OVERAGE. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A DEFICIT OF 54, 2 FEW OFFICER HOURS IN ANY GIVEN DAY. 
          AND WHEN YOU DIVIDE THAT ACTUALLY BY, UM, 24 HOURS IN A DAY, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE TOO FEW OFFICERS PER DAY REVERSING THAT FORMULA GIVES US THE SAME EXACT THING. 
          WE'RE TAKING THAT PEAK WORKLOAD, WE ARE, UM, MULTIPLYING IT BY WHAT OUR CURRENT STAFFING IS OR, OR DIVIDING IT AND TO SEE WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR SATURATION INDEX IS. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE AT OUR CURRENT STAFFING LEVELS, THE MAJORITY OF OUR DAY WE'RE EXCEEDING 60% OFFICERS ARE. 
          UM, AND WITH OUR CURRENT PROPOSED STAFFING, UH, THIS IS, IT REDUCES IT. 
          I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE HERE THAT, UM, I DID NOT INCLUDE SERGEANTS IN THIS PURPOSELY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, AGAIN, THE MAIN ONES THAT REP CALL TO THAT REPORT TO THE CALLS FOR SERVICE. 
          SO, AND THIS GIVES A BREAKDOWN. 
          SO WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT? AS I STATED EARLIER, THAT THIS MODEL STATES THAT THIS IS OPTIMAL LEVEL THAT YOU WANT OFFICERS TO PERFORM AT, IT SHOWS THAT THEIR MINDSET BEGINS TO SWITCH FROM BEING PROACTIVE TO REACTIVE AND THAT THEY'RE BASICALLY OVERWHELMED AND THAT THEY ARE OVERWORKED, WHICH IS THE SAME. 
          AND I CAN GO OVER THE NEXT ONE. 
          DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED ME TO A LOOK AT? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, I THINK WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT. 
          SO AARON AND CHIEF, WHY DON'T YOU, UH, TAKE, CAN YOU TAKE ONE BREAK SO WE CAN GO THROUGH YES. 
          I'M SURE THERE'S QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS. 
          IF NOT, THEN WE CAN JUST MOVE FORWARD. 
          SURE, YEAH, WE HAVE ONE MORE, UM, MODEL THAT GOES THROUGH IT SO WE, WE CAN TAKE A BREAK BEFORE WE START THE NEXT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM ADE BRIAN? YEAH, I MEAN, THREE METHODS TO JUSTIFY THE ASK. 
          THEY'RE ALL SLAM DUNKS , LIKE WHY ARE WE GONNA GO LOOK AT A THIRD ONE NOW? THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING. 
          YOU HAD ME. 
          HELLO? SO, OH, I LIKE THAT MOVIE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          WELL, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING TRYING TO GET TO, SO ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND I'M HAPPY TO, UM, MOVE ON AND NOT EVEN GO THROUGH ALL THESE. 
          THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS NOT TO INUNDATE WITH DATA AND OVERLOAD WITH INFORMATION INDUSTRY, BUT BUS STANDARDS WE DID THAT. 
          , THANK YOU VERY WELL. 
          I MIGHT ADD, THANK YOU. 
          INDUSTRY BUS STANDARDS STATES THAT YOU SHOULD U REALLY LOOK AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT MODELS TO GET A MORE COMPREHENSIVE VIEW OF WHAT YOUR STAFFING 
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NEEDS ARE BASED ON YOUR COMMUNITY AND YOUR OFFICER AVAILABILITY AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          SO I WANTED TO GIVE A BETTER PICTURE OF WHAT THAT ACTUALLY LOOKED AT TO MAKE SURE IT DIDN'T LOOK SKEWED TO BE LIKE, I USE THIS MODEL AND THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS AND IT'S POSITIVE. 
          SO EVERY MODEL THAT WE LOOKED AT, IT SHOWED NO MATTER HOW WE ANALYZE THIS, THERE'S A NEED. 
          SO YOU JUST GAVE US THE JUMBOTRON EXACTLY. 
          EFFECT FOR THE QUESTION. 
          I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION THOUGH. 
          AND THIS WAS VERY, VERY IMPRESSIVE TO ME. 
          I LEARNED A LITTLE BIT TODAY, BUT WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EXACTLY HOW MUCH TIME FOR EVERY CALL, ARE SUPERVISORS WATCHING A CLOCK FOR EVERY, UH, EVERY DISPATCH CALL? I MEAN SOME, YOU KNOW, YOU, ANY KIND OF CALL COULD TAKE AN HOUR, IT COULD TAKE 10 MINUTES. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, BUT THIS IS, IT'S MOST MORE SO OF AN AVERAGE AND THE, THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS SPILLMAN, WHICH IS OUR CAT RMS, WHICH IS OUR MAIN DATABASE THAT EVERYTHING'S STORED IN, WE CAN RUN NUMBERS THROUGH THAT TO ACTUALLY SEE, SO THAT'S NOT SAYING, I MEAN, WE HAVE SOME CALLS THAT ARE 10 MINUTES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE SIX HOURS. 
          SO THE AVERAGE RIGHT IS, IS WHERE WE SHOW WHAT THEY'RE SPENDING ON A CALL. 
          AND THAT CAN BE ANYTHING, ANYTHING FROM A FRAUD WHERE YOU'RE PROVIDING MORE RESOURCES, RIGHT? AND THAT'S THAT IMMEDIATE CALL. 
          BUT THERE ARE SUPPLEMENTS THAT HAPPEN WHEN YOU GO TO WRITE A SUBPOENA TO GET SOME BANK RECORDS. 
          SO THAT'S JUST THAT INITIAL CALL THAT WE'RE SPENDING TIME ON. 
          THAT'S NOT SAYING THE EXTRA WORK THAT GOES INTO IT THAT MIGHT THEN MOVE OVER TO THE INVESTIGATIONS UNIT TO DO, UM, ADDITIONAL WORK WITH. 
          SO, UM, THE SERGEANT'S NOT REALLY MONITORING THE CLOCK NECESSARILY. 
          IF FOR SOME REASON WE HAVE PEOPLE ON A CALL, DISPATCH WILL ADVISE IF THERE'S TRAFFIC THAT'S PENDING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEIR JOBS IS TO THEN REALLOCATE RESOURCES, MAYBE SEE IF, UM, SOMEBODY ELSE CAN GO HANDLE IT. 
          IF THEY INITIALLY GO TO START THAT CALL OR THEY SWITCH OUT AN OFFICER THAT'S BACK UP ON ANOTHER SCENE AND THEN THAT FREES UP SOMEBODY TO GO TO ANOTHER CALL. 
          SO THEIR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO REALLY OVERSEE WHAT'S HAPPENING ON ANY GIVEN SHIFT, ANY CALL AND REALLOCATE OR CALL IN FOR ADDITIONAL RESOURCES OR HANDLE. 
          I WAS JUST CONCERNED THAT OFFICER OFFICES AREN'T RUSHED, UH, FOR, FROM EITHER DISPATCH OR WHOEVER, BECAUSE THAT WOULDN'T BE THE GIVING THE BEST SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY TO LICENSE. 
          WELL, I, I DON'T DISAGREE AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT STATEMENT. 
          THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE OF WHAT AARON FOUND WAS WE ACTUALLY DO EXCEED SOME OF THE TIME BECAUSE I THINK THE, THE BENEFIT THAT YOU ALL ENJOY THAT OUR COMMUNITY ALSO ENJOYS IS THAT WE'RE WILLING TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME TO EXPLAIN IT VERSUS JUMPING CALL TO CALL, WHICH I THINK, UM, YOU, YOU SEE IN, IN, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT SAT SATISFACTION SURVEYS OR THE COMMENTS OR THE COMPLIMENTS THAT WE GET EMAILED THAT THEY'RE REALLY, UM, THANKFUL THAT WE SPEND TIME TO EXPLAIN THINGS A LITTLE MORE. 
          SO WE DON'T WANNA GET TO A POINT WHERE WE ARE JUMPING CALL TO CALL OR WE'RE RUSHING OR WE'RE NOT PROVIDING THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE BECAUSE THAT'LL HAVE A DIRECT, YOU KNOW, UM, RELATION TO, UM, SOME OF THAT INFORMATION THAT YOU GET BACK. 
          SO WE WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THE ONLY WAY NOT TO KEEP HAMMERING IT, BUT THE ONLY WAY THAT WE SEE TO DO THAT IS TO INCREASE OUR STAFFING SO WE CAN MAINTAIN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED AS A CUSTOMER SERVICE BASIS. 
          I THINK OUR POLICE DEPARTMENTS ARE, ARE GREAT AMBASSADORS TO OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE, UH, OUR TOURISTS, BUT PRIMARILY OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. 
          SO THANK YOU BRIAN. 
          THAT'S A GREAT POINT THAT YOU BROUGHT UP BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT IS, I THINK IT IS A SLAM DUNK. 
          SO WHY CONTINUE ON, MELISSA, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING, PETE? OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN UH, BUDGET BOOK CAME OUT, I HAD A LONG LIST OF QUESTIONS AND THEN WHEN THE PRESENTATION CAME OUT, IT MUCH OF A LOT OF WHAT I WAS ASKING WAS KIND OF IN THERE, SO THANK YOU. 
          FIRST TIME I'VE EVER SEEN THREE STAFFING ANALYSIS IN, IN FOR A JUSTIFICATION. 
          SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, KUDOS ON THAT, I THINK. 
          AND, AND EACH OF 'EM GAVE ME SOME DIFFERENT INSIGHTS. 
          SO, UH, QUESTIONS I DO HAVE FOR YOU. 
          CAN YOU PULL UP ONE OF THE HEAT MAPS MIGHT BE LIKE 1 31, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          JUST THIS STICKS OUT TO ME TO THINK ABOUT. 
          I, THE DATA LOOKS DIFFERENT TO ME THAN I WOULD'VE EXPECTED. 
          I WOULD'VE EXPECTED MORE FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY AND LATE NIGHTS. 
          WELL, JUST TO ANSWER THAT, GO BACK TO TWO SLIDES BEFORE THAT, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WHAT WE SAW WAS A DIRECT CORRELATION WAS THAT WE WERE STAFFED LESS ON FRIDAY, SATURDAY SUNDAYS BECAUSE OF INJURIES AND OTHER ISSUES. 
          SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS SLIDE, GO BACK THAT, YEP. 
          THIS ONE, THAT'S WHERE WE COULD SEE IT. 
          SO, UM, COMMANDER DOWELL AND I, YOU KNOW, SPOKE ABOUT OUR, OUR STAFFING WASN'T GETTING BETTER. 
          THE, THE INJURIES AND OTHER THINGS WERE TAKING LONGER TO GET THOSE PEOPLE BACK. 
          SO WE MADE AN ADJUSTMENT WITHIN OUR STAFFING TO CREATE SOMEBODY THAT WENT TO MORE OF A SWING SHIFT VERSUS HAVING THAT 6:00 AM OR 
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6:00 PM SHIFT. 
          WE, WE SWITCHED IT TO EITHER THEY STARTED AT 2:00 PM AND WORKED TO 2:00 AM SO THAT IT GAVE US BETTER, UM, MID COVERAGE. 
          SO ONCE WE DID THAT, THEN THIS IS WHAT WE SAW, IT WENT BACK OUR, IT WAS A DIRECT CORRELATION TO SHOWING THAT WHEN WE HAVE BETTER STAFFING STAFF, WE HANDLE MORE CALLS BECAUSE AGAIN, THE CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE ALSO INCLUDE THE PROACTIVITY. 
          SO THEY WERE MORE PROACTIVE IN NATURE WHEN THEY HAD MORE SUPPORT STAFFING. 
          YEAH, AND THAT GOES BACK TO THAT EARLIER QUESTION I ASKED, AND I GOTTA STUFF THAT IN MY HEAD YET THAT PROACTIVE CALLS ACTIVITIES ARE INCLUDED IN THESE NUMBERS AND I'M JUST NOT USED TO THINKING OF IT THAT WAY. 
          WHAT DO, WHAT IS THE BREAKDOWN ROUGHLY OF CALLS THAT COME IN VERSUS SELF-INITIATED ACTIVITY? I, IT'S APPROXIMATELY, UM, 20% OR LESS IS, UM, SELF SELF-INITIATED AND THOSE SELF-INITIATE. 
          AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING TRAFFIC STOPS BECAUSE SOME TRAFFIC STOPS ARE NOT LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, SELF-INITIATE, RIGHT? THERE'S A REASON TO PULL 'EM OVER. 
          AND, UM, SO THIS I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE EXTRA PATROL OR, UH, AREA CHECKS AND BUSINESS CHECKS. 
          AND SOME OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY PUBLICLY INITIATED BECAUSE THERE'LL BE A SPEEDING REQUEST. 
          SO WATCH A NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING OR, AND, AND THE BEST ONE TO USE THAT TOO, THAT I THINK YOU GUYS WOULD REALLY REMEMBER IS WHEN WE DID THAT, UM, REDUCTION IN SPEED ON MORGAN ROAD. 
          YEAH. 
          SO FOR SIX WEEKS WE HAD A CALL FOR SERVICE IN THAT WAS REOCCURRING EVERY DAY TO HAVE SOMEBODY GO THERE, SIT, MONITOR, AND DO ANY ENFORCEMENT THAT MIGHT HAVE COME UP. 
          YEP. 
          SO SOME OF THE REQUESTS, ALTHOUGH THEY LOOK PROACTIVE, ARE STILL A REQUEST FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE RESPONSIVE TO. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          I, I WAS REALLY LOOKING AT THAT CHART, JUST THINKING ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT TELL ME ABOUT, IS IT OUR VISITORS THAT ARE GENERATING OUR WORKLOAD OR IS IT NOT? AND SO THE DATA JUST LOOKED DIFFERENT THAN I THOUGHT AND I GOTTA PONDER IT FOR A MUCH LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, SO I'M NOT GONNA DWELL ON THAT. 
          UM, AND I, I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT STATISTICAL DATA, YOU GOT SOME OF THAT IN THERE, BUT I THINK IN THE END, YOU'VE, YOU'VE GIVEN ME A LOT TO THINK ABOUT, ABOUT, UH, OUNCE OF PREVENTION VERSUS A POUND OF CURE AND WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON WITH OUR STAFF. 
          AND AS THE CHAIRMAN OF YOUR P-S-P-R-S-I THANK YOU FOR GETTING AFTER THIS BEFORE WE SEE AN UPTICK OF OF STUFF. 
          THE OTHER QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK WAS ABOUT YOUR MOTOR OFFICER JUSTIFICATION. 
          IT SEEMED TO, I HEARD, IT SEEMED TO ME THAT YOU, I WAS SAYING THAT THE MOTOR OFFICERS WEREN'T REALLY DOING A LOT OF MOTOR WORK BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO FILL IN FOR OTHER STUFF WHILE THE FIVE OFFICER REQUESTS FOR PATROL IS GONNA FIX SOME OF THAT. 
          SO WHY WOULDN'T YOU FIX THE DEMAND SIDE ON THE PATROL AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS ON THE MOTOR OFFICERS YET ON ANOTHER YEAR BEFORE JUST STUFFING MORE OFFICERS THAN MOTOR? IT'S ACTUALLY, SO IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND I THINK WHAT I, MY BEST ANSWER IS, IS THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT WE NEED NINE, I'M SAYING FIVE OF THEM I'D LIKE TO PUT ON PATROL ASSIGNED TWO SQUADS AND FOUR OF THEM I'D LIKE TO CREATE A MOTOR. 
          SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT I ONLY NEED FIVE, I'M SAYING I NEED NINE AND HERE'S HOW I'D LIKE TO CREATE THE STRUCTURE TO GET THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THEN THEY CAN HANDLE CALLS FOR SERVICE SPECIFICALLY, STILL BE AVAILABLE FOR SOME OF THOSE UPTICKS THAT THEY CAN GO AND RESPOND BECAUSE OF OUR RESPONSE TIMES AND TRAFFIC THAT THEY CAN DO THAT. 
          BUT THEN THEY CAN ALSO DO THE PROACTIVITY TO REDUCE OUR COLLISIONS AND OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'RE ALSO HAVING ASSOCIATED SO THAT OFFICERS CAN FOCUS ON CALLS FOR SERVICE AND CRIMES AND THOSE, AND THE MOTORS CAN MORE SPECIFICALLY FOCUS ON OUR TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AND EDUCATION THAT IS STILL REALLY NEEDED. 
          AND SO BY ADDING THE TWO MOTORS AND YES, A LOT OF THEIR WORK WENT TO COVERING THOSE SHIFTS. 
          SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY ALL RELATED. 
          SO IN TOTAL THERE ARE NINE OFFICERS THAT WERE ASKING FOR AND THE STRUCTURE OF HOW TO GET THERE ON WHAT THEIR DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES IS WHERE I BROKE THEM OUT INTO THOSE DIFFERENT DECISION PACKAGES. 
          IDEALLY, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH ALL THIS INFORMATION AND YOU GET TO THE AVERAGE OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT MODELS THAT WE USE, IT'S SAYING THAT IT'S MORE NEEDED TO HAVE 13 AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR 13, I'M ASKING FOR NINE. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT BREAKDOWN IS GOING. 
          AND THE ONE THAT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IS THAT COMMUNITY OUTREACH OFFICER THAT IS MORE DEDICATED TOWARDS HELPING WITH SERVICES AND HOMELESSNESS. 
          SO OF THOSE NINE, THAT'S HOW YOU'RE SEEING ME TO BREAK 'EM OUT INTO DIFFERENT ROLES THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GET TO ALL THESE DIFFERENT, UM, ISSUES THAT WE'RE SEEING AND HAVE MORE OF A FOCUS AT HANDLING SOME OF THE, THE CONCERNS. 
          GOOD. 
          CHIEF, I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY AN INTERESTING ANSWER AND I HADN'T READ YOUR PACKET AS SORT OF STATING IT 
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THAT WAY. 
          AND SO THAT GIVES ME A DIFFERENT WAY OF THINKING ABOUT IT. 
          UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. 
          ARE THE, OF THE DATA THAT YOU SHOW, WE DID HAVE A BIG UPTICK IN PARKING TICKETS ISSUED. 
          IS THAT THE MOTOR OFFICERS OR IS IT MORE THAN JUST MOTOR OFFICERS WHO'S DOING THE TICKETS FOR PARKING? IT, IT'S, UH, IT'S A GROUP. 
          UM, IT, IT COULD BE ANYBODY. 
          IT COULD BE OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS. 
          UM, BECAUSE IF IT'S A CITY ORDINANCE, OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS CAN WRITE THOSE. 
          OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE AIDES, OUR MOTOR OFFICERS WILL ALSO DO THOSE PATROL OFFICERS WILL, BECAUSE AT TIMES WE CAN HAVE AN ISSUE DOWN DRY CREEK, WE CAN HAVE ONE AT SOLDIERS PASS AND WE CAN HAVE ONE AT BACK, GO BEYOND AND WE'RE SPLITTING UP RESOURCES ACROSS. 
          SO DEPENDING ON THE AREA, THEN THAT'S ALSO, UM, INDICATIVE OF WHO WE'RE SENDING BASED ON WHO CAN WRITE WHAT TYPE OF TICKETS. 
          YEP. 
          SO WITH ADDITIONAL MOTOR OFFICERS IN THE POOL, IS IT YOUR PROJECTION THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE AN EVEN MORE AN INCREASE IN PARKING TICKETS AND SPEEDING TICKETS ISSUED? IS THAT YES. 
          OH YEAH. 
          THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF, YEAH, YESTERDAY. 
          UM, AND IDEALLY SEEING THE INCREASE IN TICKETS AND WARNINGS ALSO, WE WOULD EVENTUALLY START SEEING THE DECREASE IN COLLISIONS OR, I MEAN, COLLISIONS ARE GONNA HAPPEN, BUT WE WANNA SEE A DECREASE IN THE INJURIES AND OR FATALITIES. 
          AND BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE BECOMING, UM, A DETERRENT AND WE'RE EDUCATING MORE. 
          AND SO THOSE ARE SPECIFIC STATISTICS ARE COLLISIONS AND INJURIES AND FATALITIES INCREASING OR THEY'RE NOT DECREASING WITH THE TWO THAT WE, WE ALREADY HAVE. 
          SO IN MY OPINION IS WE HAVEN'T REACHED THE LEVEL OF BEING OUT THERE IN ENFORCEMENT THAT WE NEED TO SEE A DECREASE. 
          WE'RE JUST SEEING A CONSISTENCY GOING ACROSS. 
          SO WE'RE NOT GETTING AT THE MAJORITY THE, THE BIGGER ISSUE. 
          AND IS THERE A STANDARD METRIC THAT SAYS WE'RE HIGHER THAN WE SHOULD BE? I BET WE COULD LOOK IT UP THROUGH, UM, THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY. 
          I FORGOT THEIR ACRONYM, BUT YEAH, IT'S A, UM, I BET THEY PROBABLY HAVE ONE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR POPULATION AND VISITING. 
          UM, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT WHERE THE MAJORITY OF OUR WORST COLLISIONS HAPPEN, THOSE ARE GONNA BE MORE ON 89 A NOT IN THE ROUNDABOUTS. 
          'CAUSE THE ROUNDABOUTS REALLY DO SLOW THEM DOWN IN THEIR, THEY'RE NOT INJURY, RIGHT? BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT ANYWHERE FROM, YOU KNOW, SOLDIERS PASS WEST OUTSIDE THE CITY, THOSE ARE WHERE THE MAJORITY OF OUR, UM, WORST COLLISIONS TYPICALLY OCCUR. 
          SO BY BEING ABLE TO FLOOD THOSE AREAS MORE, THEN IDEALLY WE WOULD BE ABLE TO STOP MORE OF THE RED LIGHT RUNNING AND THE HIGHER SPEEDS THAT CREATE THOSE TYPES OF WORSE COLLISIONS. 
          THE OTHER THING IS, IS OUR, OUR TRAFFIC UNIT ISN'T BEING PROACTIVE WHERE, UM, IF WE HAD MORE, WE COULD DO MORE, MEANING WE COULD DO MORE DUI SATURATIONS, WE COULD BE OUT THERE FOR LIKE WHAT THE MONTH OF APRIL WAS, WAS DISTRACTED DRIVING AWARENESS MONTH. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, HANDS FREE THIS MONTH IS SEATBELT. 
          SO IF WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE THAT, THEN WE COULD ACTUALLY DO THE EDUCATION SIDE AS WELL AND GO OUT THERE AND DO WHAT A LOT OF OTHER, UM, CITIES AND AGENCIES DO TO REDUCE COLLISIONS THAT INVOLVE INJURY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT WEARING SEATBELT. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M REALLY MOTIVATED TO FIX PROBLEMS AND I HEAR YOU CLEARLY SAYING THAT YOU'VE GOT A WORKLOAD ISSUE IN STAFFING, SO YOU NEED MORE. 
          I'M WITH YOU ON THAT. 
          ON THE MOTOR OFFICER SIDE, I THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE S-CURVE AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE TOP OF THE S-CURVE, YOU COULD THROW A LOT OF MONEY ON SOMETHING AND NOT CHANGE A PROBLEM VERY MUCH. 
          SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE WITH OUR TRAFFIC ISSUES? YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD SOME DATA THAT SHOWED THAT WE WERE A LITTLE TOO HIGH IN, IN, UM, UH, SPEEDING AND DUIS AND WHAT OTHER TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT WOULD CONVINCE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN NEED FOR, FOR THAT TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT. 
          UH, AND I, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD THAT AS YET, BUT MAYBE WE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ENFORCEMENT AS IT IS TO GET THE DATA THAT WE NEED TO SAY WHERE ON THAT CURVE THAT WE ARE. 
          SO YEAH, AND, AND THANK YOU BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND MOTOR AND, AND WE WERE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF JOKING AND SAYING, WELL, DO YOU NEED FOUR? YOU KNOW, AND WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO WITH ALL THIS? AND I SAID, WELL, LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN DO WITH TWO FIRST THAT HELPS WITH THAT DATA. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, I DIDN'T SEE THAT I DIDN'T GET TO SEE A REDUCTION, WHICH IN PART RIGHT, CAN TELL ME THAT IT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ENFORCEMENT AND EDUCATION LEVEL THAT WE NEED TO. 
          UM, BUT IDEALLY, LIKE I SAID, WITH OUR STAFFING, KNOWING THAT WE'RE UNDER MINIMALLY NINE AND SAYING I NEED NINE AND THEN I CAN REALLOCATE RESOURCES AS NEEDED, THIS IS HOW I'M JUST DIVIDING UP THAT STRUCTURE REGARDLESS IF FOR SOME REASON DOWN THE ROAD IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT WE'RE REALLY NEEDING DEDICATED TRAFFIC UNITS, WHICH I CAN'T IMAGINE SINCE THAT'S BEEN OUR NUMBER ONE CONCERN IN THIS CITY FOR 
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I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AND I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 20 AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT, UM, THAT HAVING PEOPLE DEDICATED TO THAT HAS A DIRECT, YOU KNOW, CORRELATION WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE GET BY BEING MORE VISIBLE AND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO CHANGE BEHAVIOR OUT THERE. 
          SO IF AT SOME REASON IT SHOWED THAT WE WEREN'T NEEDING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THREE PEOPLE ON MOTORCYCLES AND A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, THEN THEY WOULD BE REALLOCATED. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T NEED THOSE PEOPLE, IT'S SAYING THAT WE NEED 13 TO BE AT THE NUMBER THAT WE DO FOR WORKLOAD. 
          I'M SAYING THAT I'D RATHER HAVE THESE PEOPLE FOCUSED ON HANDLING THESE TYPES OF CALLS AND THESE, THESE PEOPLE HANDLING THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          OKAY, ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, I JUST WANT TO, BEFORE YOU GO, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING. 
          WHEN, AND WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION YEARS PAST, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC ISSUES, THE PUBLIC HEARS TRAFFIC CONTROL, YOU ARE DOING TRAFFIC OR ACCIDENT AND SPEEDING AND AWARENESS. 
          SO IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          AND FORTUNATELY YOU ARE WORKING REALLY WELL WITH PUBLIC WORKS, UH, ENGINEERING FOR A TRAFFIC MITIGATION ISSUE WITH THE Y WHICH IS COMING ALONG FANTASTIC IN JUST ONE YEAR'S TIME. 
          WE'VE MADE GREAT STRIDES IN THAT INFORMATION, BUT IT WOULD, PEOPLE ARE EXPECTING COPS AT INTERSECTIONS DIRECTING TRAFFIC TO MOVE TRAFFIC. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER GONNA HAPPEN HERE UNTIL WE GET THE ADAPTIVE, UH, LIGHTING SYSTEM AT, AT THE Y. 
          SO I MEAN ALL THESE TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX, UH, WILL HELP. 
          BUT WHEN YOU SAY TRAFFIC, IT'S REALLY BEHAVIOR CONTROL. 
          IT'S NOT SO MUCH TRAFFIC CONTROL BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA CONTROL TRAFFIC. 
          WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT? YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO CONTROL TRAFFIC, RIGHT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMING IN, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONTROL IS THE POTENTIAL NUISANCE AND OTHER ISSUES THAT IT CREATES. 
          AND WHEN, I MEAN, ANY CALL THAT HAPPENS, WHETHER IT'S REALLY A POLICE RELATED MATTER OR NOT, WE'RE YOUR FIRST ONE TO RESPOND. 
          SO THAT DOES INCLUDE TRAFFIC CONTROL BECAUSE A LIGHT GOES OUT UNTIL A ADOT CAN GET DOWN. 
          IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, THE Y INTERSECTION WHERE NOW WE UNDERSTAND WE NEED A BETTER METERING SYSTEM AND WE'RE WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS, YOU KNOW, AND ENGINEERING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOME CORRECTIVE ACTIONS THERE. 
          BUT TYPICALLY WHEN AN ISSUE HAPPENS, WE'RE THE ONES THAT INITIALLY HANDLE IT AND THEN WE STRATEGIZE HOW TO, HOW TO GET IMPROVEMENTS THAT MIGHT TAKE LONGER, THAT MIGHT TAKE MORE MONEY. 
          SO THOSE AGAIN, ARE DIRECT RELATIONS TO OUR RESOURCES. 
          AND SOME OF WHAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY EVEN TALKED ABOUT TODAY ARE ALL THE EXTRA EVENTS THAT COME INTO TOWN THAT ARE TRAFFIC CONTROL RELATED. 
          SO WHEN WE HAVE THE SEDONA RUN, WE'RE DOING ROAD CLOSURES THERE TO ENSURE THE SAFETY ON, ON THE, ON UH, DRY CREEK. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S WHEN WE HAVE THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FEST, IT'S WHEN WE HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT BRING THREE TO 4,000 PEOPLE IN. 
          SO SOME OF THOSE CAN BE TRAFFIC CONTROL, BUT THEY CAN ALSO BE TRAFFIC RELATED AND THEN EVENT CONTROL. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE JUST KEEP MAKING WORK WITHIN OUR STAFFING AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT WORKING WELL FOR US. 
          WE, WE NEED TO GET ADDITIONAL SUPPORT AND AS YOU KNOW, IF WE GO FURTHER DOWN, WHAT WE WERE WANTING TO SHOW IS FOR OUR DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE NOT GROWN TO THE SAME LEVELS THE REST OF THE CITY HAS. 
          AND WE ARE, WE ARE REALLY STRESSING THAT WITH NEW DEPARTMENTS, ME BEING DEVELOPED, UM, OTHER DEPARTMENTS GOING BACK TO PRE 2009 LEVELS AND OR, UM, ADDITIONAL, WE HAVE MAINTAINED THE SAME AND WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T HANDLE THAT ANY LONGER WITH THE INCREASES OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ONLY ADDED MORE HOTELS. 
          ALL THIS HAS A DIRECT RELATION ON OUR RESPONSE. 
          AND I THINK THIS COUNCIL GETS THAT. 
          IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING THE WORD TRAFFIC AND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING WITH THIS MANPOWER AND YOU'RE GONNA BE KEEPING PEOPLE SAFE, WHICH IS JUST AS IMPORTANT. 
          IT'S MOVING TRAFFIC. 
          IT'S SUCH, IT'S A TERRIBLE THING TO SEE THE RED ROCK MOUNTAINS WHEN YOU'RE SITTING IN TRAFFIC. 
          IT'S NOT TOO BAD. 
          COUNCILOR DUNN, YOU HAD A QUESTION AND THEN WE WANNA BE MOVING FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, SO WHAT, WHEN YOU ASKED FOR THE OTHER MOTOR OFFICER, WHICH FEELS LIKE A MILLION YEARS AGO NOW, UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE OBJECTS OF THAT INDIVIDUAL WAS THEY COULD GET THROUGH THE TRAFFIC IN ORDER TO SECURE A SCENE BEFORE A CAR CAN ACTUALLY GET THROUGH THE TRAFFIC AND AND DO WHATEVER IT IS THEY NEED TO DO WHEN THEY GET TO THE SCENE. 
          I'M ASSUMING THAT IS STILL TRUE AND THAT HAVING MORE MOTOR OFFICERS WOULD ALLOW YOU TO, IN ESSENCE DISPERSE BETWEEN 89 A AND UPTOWN AND, YOU KNOW, 1 79 WHERE YOU MAY HAVE MULTIPLE SCENES OCCURRING SIMULTANEOUSLY. 
          IS THAT UM, CORRECT OR AM I COMPLETELY OFF? NO, YOU'RE COMPLETELY ON. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          UM, IT IS GETTING DOWN 1 79, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A DIVIDED HIGHWAY, ONE LANE, UM, THAT THE MOTOR OFFICERS ARE ABLE TO TRAVEL THAT MORE, UM, BACK GO BEYOND WHEN YOU HAVE CONGESTION DRY CREEK. 
          IT ALLOWS THEM TO, TO GO IN AND OUT OF TRAFFIC MUCH EASIER THAN WHAT 
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A PATROL VEHICLE COULD TAKE. 
          AND SO MY POINT WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE ALSO AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS MORE, THERE'S MORE USES FOR THE MOTOR OFFICERS THAN EDUCATION, THAN STOPPING SPEEDERS, THAN HANDING OUT TICKETS. 
          THEY ALSO ALLOW US TO MOVE OUR POLICE, UM, OFFICERS TO WHERE THEY MAY BE NEEDED BECAUSE WE HAVE TRAFFIC ISSUES WHICH MAY NEVER BE RESOLVED TO THAT POINT WHERE WE CARE. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR, UM, ALLOWING ME TO SAY THAT AND THEN I WANNA ADDRESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. 
          ANNETTE, AM I AN ELEPHANT? WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE ELEPHANT? WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I WAS WEARING GRAY TODAY. 
          THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. 
          OH, THE DECISION. 
          SO ON THE DECISION PACKAGES, WE'VE JUST HEARD A LOT OF INFORMATION AROUND WHY WE SHOULD HAVE, UM, EIGHT OF THE NINE OFFICERS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TAGGED AS TIER ONE AND TIER TWO AND NOT A YES. 
          AND SINCE THAT IS COMING FROM THE CITY MANAGER, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE CITY MANAGER SAW THEM AS TIER ONE AND TIER TWO AND NOT YES, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          COUNSELOR DUNN. 
          UM, PRIMARILY THIS WAS DRIVEN BY, UM, WHAT I HEARD OUT OF THE COUNCIL RETREAT AND PRIORITY SETTING SESSION ABOUT, UM, THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FUNCTION, WHICH WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON EITHER. 
          AND THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH OFFICER WERE HIGH PRIORITIES. 
          AND SO THOSE, I DID PUT INTO, UM, MY RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY SHOULD BE ADDED. 
          UM, WHEN IT CAME TO THE, UM, LARGER REQUESTS FOR THE NINE, OR I GUESS IT'S EIGHT OFFICERS SPLIT BETWEEN THOSE TWO, UM, GIVEN THE SUBSTANTIAL, UM, EXPENSE RELATED TO THAT, I REALLY FELT THAT THAT WAS WORTHY OF THE COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION SINCE WE HADN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT IN YOUR PRIORITY SETTING. 
          SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, UM, THESE IN RELATION TO ALL THE OTHER SORT OF TIER ONE REQUESTS. 
          UM, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD FOR STEPHANIE OR THE CHIEF, EXCUSE ME, THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WAS, UM, CAPACITY TO ONBOARD ALL OF THESE PEOPLE IN THE SAME YEAR AND WHETHER THERE WAS ANY, UM, OPTION FOR PHASING THEM IN IF THE BUDGET CAPACITY OR THE COUNCIL INTEREST, UM, DIDN'T SUPPORT ALL EIGHT AT THE SAME TIME. 
          UM, GIVEN THAT WE ALSO ARE RECRUITING NOW FOR POSITIONS. 
          UM, SO IT JUST CAME FROM A SORT OF PRACTICAL IMPLEMENTATION KIND OF A MINDSET. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T DENY THE DATA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT'S JUST, OKAY, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO TRY TO TACKLE THIS, UM, AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF THE GENERAL COUNSEL INTEREST TO TRY TO KEEP THE BUDGET FROM GROWING. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA BE THE REALLY JUST INTERESTING DISCUSSION THIS AFTERNOON ON ALL THESE TRADE-OFFS OF, OF WHERE THE PRIORITIES ARE AND HOW WE WANNA FILL THESE GAPS. 
          SO I HOPE THAT HELPS. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, THAT ACTUALLY WAS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. 
          SO WOULD YOUR STAFF HAVE CAPACITY TO BRING ON THESE LARGE NUMBER OF OFFICERS, INCLUDING LIKE THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR DURING THE COURSE OF A SINGLE YEAR? SO WE CERTAINLY INTEND TO, AND LIKE I SAID, WITH THE RESTRUCTURE AND HAVING SERGEANT OLIVER THAT IS DEDICATED SOLELY TO RECRUITMENT, RETENTION, WELLNESS AND PEER SUPPORT, WE NOW HAVE SOMEBODY, LIKE I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, THAT HER WHOLE FOCUS IS BREAKING DOWN OUR TIMELINES, CONTACTING PEOPLE, SETTING UP INTERVIEWS, AND THEN WE'RE DOING BACKGROUNDS. 
          SO IDEALLY THEY WOULDN'T BE ALL BRAND NEW, NINE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO GO TO ACADEMIES. 
          THIS WOULD BE IDEALLY A SPLIT BETWEEN, HOPEFULLY WE WOULD GET FOUR THAT ARE LATERALS AND FOUR THAT WOULD BE NEW. 
          THAT WAY WE CAN SPACE IT OUT OVER THE YEAR AND, AND ALSO USE OUR STAFF FOR THE TRAINING IN THAT TO, UM, TO ONBOARD THESE PEOPLE. 
          SO PART OF IT IS ALSO THE INCENTIVES THAT WE WANNA DO TO GET LATERAL OFFICERS BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD ON A DEPARTMENT TO GET ALL BRAND NEW. 
          AND IF WE GOT ALL NINE NEW REALLY WE'D BE PRETTY YOUTHFUL. 
          AND THAT ALSO CAN CREATE CHALLENGES. 
          SO WE ARE GONNA DO A REALLY GREAT MOVEMENT TO, UM, TRY AND GET A MIX OF LATERAL AND NEW OFFICERS. 
          SO, UM, I'M CONFIDENT WE WILL PUT FORTH A A, UM, REALLY GREAT PUSH WITH GOING TO THE DIFFERENT JOB FAIRS LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING AND KEEP OUR APPLICATIONS COMING IN. 
          WE HAVE FOUR SLOTS FOR THE NEXT ACADEMY. 
          SO WE HAVE ONE PERSON IN THE ACADEMY RIGHT NOW THAT'S GONNA 
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GRADUATE JUNE 5TH, AND THEN THE NEXT ACADEMY STARTS IN JULY AND WE HAVE FOUR SLOTS THERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO FILL BASED ON RETIREMENTS, UM, AND SOME OTHERS. 
          SO YEAH, I, I FEEL LIKE, UM, WE'RE GONNA DO A REALLY GOOD PUSH TO GET THOSE POSITIONS AND MOSTLY BECAUSE OUR DEPARTMENT NEEDS IT AND OUR OFFICERS KNOW WE NEED IT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE AT THEIR MAX, THEY, THEY WANT THEIR TIME OFF AND, AND I'M GONNA DO, UM, THE BEST THAT I CAN TO ENSURE THAT WE GET THE STAFF BECAUSE I CAN SEE THE NEED AND THAT'S WHAT WHERE WE NEED TO GO TOWARDS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN I JUST DO A FOLLOW UP ON THAT? GO AHEAD. 
          WHAT IS THE CURRENT VACANCY FACT? I THINK RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THREE, BUT WE KNOW OF TWO RETIREMENTS COMING UP THIS YEAR. 
          IS THAT PRETTY CONSISTENT? CONSISTENT? UM, YEAH, WE CAN GO ANYWHERE FROM ONE TO FIVE. 
          I MEAN THE, OF THE SWORN STAFF. 
          SO WE HAVE TWO RETIREMENTS COMING UP WITH, UM, STAFF SERGEANTS THAT ARE OVER 20 YEARS. 
          SO THEY HAVE LET US KNOW THAT WE HAVE A DISPATCHER THAT HAS 25 YEARS THAT'S LET US KNOW SHE'S GETTING READY TO RETIRE. 
          SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY RECRUITING. 
          WE DON'T JUST WAIT TILL WE HAVE A A DEFICIT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH US IT CAN TAKE A YEAR TO GET SOMEBODY ON THE ROAD. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALWAYS RECRUITING. 
          UM, SO I THINK RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THREE OF THE LINE LEVEL AND WE STILL HAVE AN OPEN COMMANDER POSITION. 
          SO IT IS FOUR TOTAL THAT WILL WE'LL BE GOING TOWARDS. 
          BUT THREE OF THOSE ARE OFFICERS CHIEF, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE, UH, UH, WHAT'S THAT SPECIAL RETIREMENT, UH, PROGRAM? UH, THE DROP PROGRAM? THE DROP PROGRAM, THEY STAY LONGER. 
          UM, ONE OF OUR SERGEANTS IS NOT TRYING TO DO THE DROP, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET INTO A DIFFERENT PART OF THE PROFESSION AND GET BACK TO INVESTIGATIVE WORK AND NOT REALLY WEARING THE UNIFORM AND HAVING THE STRESS OF SHIFT WORK. 
          SO HE IS NOT LOOKING TO DO THE DROPS. 
          UM, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE RIGHT NOW IS IN THE DROPS PROGRAM. 
          NO, NOBODY DROP. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL GET TO HIM. 
          GO AHEAD BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UM, LIKE COUNCILOR FURMAN, THE, THE, THE SUM TOTAL OF ADDING NINE SWORN OFFICERS IN RESPONSE TO THE MODELING, THAT ACTUALLY WAS AN AHA FOR ME. 
          I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEAR THREE THERE, ONE THERE, ONE THERE. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS HELPFUL WHEN JUSTIFYING HEAD COUNT AND I MEAN YOU'RE REALLY JUSTIFYING IT BASED ON RESIDENTS COUNT AS OPPOSED TO THE TOURISM, UH, POPULATION. 
          'CAUSE THAT WOULD DRIVE IT EVEN FURTHER. 
          BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD GO ABOUT STAFFING, YOU DID YOUR TOURISM CALCULATION ON A JUST DAILY LEVEL LOADED BASIS, BUT WE, WE KNOW THAT THE WEEKEND DOMINATES, RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT LIKE THE MOTOR OFFICER, UM, REQUEST FOR THREE THERE IS THAT, DO YOU ENVISION THAT THAT BEING FOCUSED AROUND WEEKENDS AVAILABILITY TO, TO CORRESPOND TO THE FACT THAT TOURISM DRIVES SO MUCH OF WHAT HAPPENS HERE? YES. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO IT'S SEVEN DAYS A WEEK COVERAGE, BUT THE OVERLAP OF THOSE DAYS WOULD HAPPEN PRIMARILY ON THE WEEKENDS ALONG WITH SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, STAFFING THAT BEEFS UP. 
          BECAUSE DURING THE WEEKDAYS, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, WE HAVE INVESTIGATIONS, WE HAVE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER, WE HAVE COMMANDER DOWELL AND I MM-HMM . 
          ON THE WEEKENDS, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE TRY AND UTILIZE SOME OF THESE OTHER SPECIALTIES TO COME IN AND FILL SO THAT WE STILL STAY AT THAT COVERAGE. 
          SO YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AGAIN, LIKE FROM A ADDING NINE SWORN, LIKE YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB OF JUSTIFYING THAT AND SO THEN IT'S LIKE, THEN IT'S THE, OKAY, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA LOOK LIKE THE COMMERCIAL, UH, VEHICLE OFFICER? IS THAT THE RIGHT MM-HMM . 
          COMMERCIAL. 
          YEP. 
          YEAH, I NEED A LITTLE MORE WHY ON THAT. 
          LIKE ARE WE REALLY MISSING THAT RIGHT NOW? LIKE I SEE TREMENDOUS VALUE IN THESE OTHER ADS IN TERMS OF IMPROVING THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M THE NINE YOU JUSTIFIED, RIGHT? BUT THIS COMMERCIAL VEHICLE OFFICER, THAT ONE I'M KIND OF LIKE, EH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I MEAN THAT'S PART OF THEIR FUNCTION IN THE SPECIALTY THAT THEY WOULD HOLD OF CERTIFICATIONS, BUT THEY ARE STILL TRAFFIC RELATED AND OFFICERS CAN'T DO THE SAME TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT ON LARGER HEAVY VEHICLES. 
          SO I COULD PULL OVER A DUMP TRUCK, RIGHT? AND I COULD BE LIKE, WOW, THIS CAR DOES NOT LOOK GREAT, BUT I CAN'T MEASURE THE TIRES, I CAN'T MEASURE THE WEIGHT, I CAN'T SEE IF THE BRAKES ARE AT THE CAPACITY THEY SHOULD BE AND A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE PERSON CAN, AND WHICH MEANS THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY STOP A WORSE COLLISION FROM HAPPENING. 
          THEY CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CARRYING THE WEIGHT BETWEEN AREAS THAT THEY SHOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S BUSES SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A COLLISION WITH A BUS THAT HAS OUR STUDENTS ON IT. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S PROACTIVE IN THE SENSE OF MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES AND GUIDELINES BECAUSE AN AREA LIKE THIS WOULD ALSO NOT KEEP PEOPLE AS HONEST BECAUSE THEY WOULD KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF 
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ENFORCEMENT. 
          SO WHERE OTHER AREAS HAVE THAT AND THEY WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE CAREFUL ON HOW THEY TRAVEL THOSE ROADS, OURS ARE A LITTLE MORE OPEN THAT HAVE A LITTLE MORE, UM, LIABILITY TO THEM BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, UM, WE'RE KNOW, WHAT DO I WANNA SAY? ENFORCING OR OVERSEEING THAT. 
          SO I, I GET IT. 
          I MEAN I FEEL LIKE YOU GOTTA TRY TO GET A SPEEDING TICKET IN SEDONA, RIGHT? SORRY IF THAT HURTS. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IT'S TRUE. 
          DEPENDS WHO, DEPENDS WHO . 
          BUT LIKE IN THIS CASE, LIKE, ARE WE GONNA LITERALLY STOP A 18 WHEELER IN FRONT OF WHOLE FOODS AND THE MOTOR OFFICER'S GONNA GET OUT AND START WEIGHING ON, YOU KNOW, THE WEIGHT UNDER EACH AXLE ON 89 A BLOCKING TRAFFIC. 
          LIKE ARE WE REALLY GONNA DO THAT? SO IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          WE WOULD STOP THE VEHICLE AND THEN WE RELOCATE THE VEHICLE TO AN AREA THAT ALLOWS US TO DO THE ONE TO THREE HOUR INSPECTION. 
          SO YES. 
          BUT IT WOULDN'T SAY ONE TO THREE HOURS. 
          YES. 
          WHOA. 
          SO IT, THEY WOULD NOT BE ON 89 A OR 1 79. 
          WE WOULD MOVE TO A, A LOCATION THAT ALLOWS YOU TO DO THAT INSPECTION, WHICH AGAIN, IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE A REGULAR OFFICER DO THAT. 
          THIS WOULD TAKE SOMEBODY POTENTIALLY OUT FOR ONE TO THREE HOURS. 
          AND IT'S NOT THAT IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, BUT IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN SO THAT WE HAVE THAT OWNERSHIP, UM, OF PEOPLE FOLLOWING THOSE RULES AND GUIDELINES. 
          AND IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC TYPE OF TRAINING. 
          SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT THAT THEY WOULD DO THIS EVERY DAY OR THERE'D BE A TRUCK A DAY, OR, I MEAN, IT COULD BE, IT COULD END UP BEING ONE A WEEK, BUT THEY WOULD ALSO STILL RESPOND TO ALL THESE OTHER CALLS BECAUSE IT'S STILL IN THE NEED OF OUR OVERALL, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT IN A DEFICIT RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THEY WOULD STILL HANDLE COLLISIONS. 
          THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WITH THAT EXTRA TRAINING, IF THEY WENT TO A COLLISION WHERE WE SUSPECT THAT THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE VEHICLE, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT CAN ACTUALLY DIG DEEPER INTO SEEING IF THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT VEHICLE. 
          THAT WAS PART OF WHY THE COLLISION EVEN OCCURRED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEIR TRAINING JUST ALLOWS IT DIFFERENT. 
          THEY DO RECONSTRUCTION OF HIGHER, UM, COLLISIONS THAT COULD INCLUDE FATALITIES. 
          SO THEIR TRAINING ALLOWS US ALSO TO HAVE SOMEBODY ON, ON STAFF THAT CAN DO THE MEASUREMENTS AND THE CALCULATIONS OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S WAY MORE THAN I'VE EVER LEARNED, SO, UM, OKAY. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO I, I, I'M SATISFIED. 
          I, I DON'T NEED MORE, UNLESS THERE'RE . 
          THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D PUT IN HERE IS OBVIOUSLY WE'RE A HIGH TOURIST AREA. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESSES WHO OPERATE, UH, JEEPS, RVS, SO THEY CAN DO THE LIBRARY INSPECTIONS AS WELL. 
          SO THEY CAN GO IN THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE COMPLIANT WITH THESE THINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE OTHER COMPANIES ARE DOING, THEY HAVE INSURANCE, THEY HAVE DRIVERS, AND THEY'RE DOING THIS. 
          SO IT ADDS TO THAT COMMERCIAL PART OF IT. 
          IF ONLY THERE WASN'T MORE THAT COULD BE INSPECTED ON OHV. 
          I WAS LIKE, DON'T OPEN THAT CAN OF WORMS. I WAS GOING TO, BUT THANK YOU MAYOR KATHY. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT A POSITION REQUESTED IN YOUR DECISION PACKAGE TO THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE INSPECTOR. 
          SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT ONE OF YOUR YES, IT IS. 
          IT IS. 
          WHERE, WHERE IS IT'S PART OF THE THREE MOTOR OFFICERS. 
          IT'S ONE OF THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          IS IT ONE OF THE ONES IN THERE? OKAY. 
          IT'S ONE OF THE TRAFFIC UNITS. 
          SO I'M, I'M DIVIDING OUT HOW I WOULD LIKE TO CREATE A TRAFFIC UNIT THAT HAS FIVE THE SAME. 
          SO I NEED THREE ADDITIONAL. 
          ONE WOULD BE A SUPERVISOR, ONE WOULD BE ANOTHER MOTORCYCLE OFFICER, AND ONE WOULD BE A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE THAT WOULD MAKE UP THE TWO THAT I HAVE AND THE THREE I'M REQUESTING. 
          SO I WAS SHOWING YOU HOW I'M DIVIDING THAT OUT BASED ON WHAT I SEE AS NEEDS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S NOT ADDING TO THE 10 AND A HALF FTES. 
          NO, I'M JUST, I'M SHOWING YOU WHERE, WHERE I WOULD PUT AND, AND WHAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO CHIEF, TO THAT POINT, UH, THIS IS REALLY HELPING ADOT AS MUCH AS IT'S HELPING OUR COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S ON ADOT ROADS. 
          ARE WE OPEN TO ANY, OR ARE THERE ANY AVAILABLE, UH, FUNDING FROM THEM, UH, TO HELP BY HAVING THIS HIGHLY TRAINED OFFICER ON THEIR ROADS? ARE THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY FUNDING FROM THEM THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR? SO IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE HAD TWO SEPARATE OFFICERS HOLD THIS, UM, RESPONSIBILITY, ADOT WORKS WELL WITH US. 
          THEY'LL HELP WITH TRAINING. 
          THEY PROVIDE SOME TRAINING AT A REDUCED RATE, OR THEY CAN DO IT FREE. 
          THEY'LL COME IN AND HELP DURING OUR INSPECTIONS. 
          WE CAN GO TO GET, BECAUSE THERE IS A MANDATORY AMOUNT OF INSPECTIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO SO WE CAN JOIN THEIR DETAILS TO KEEP UP THOSE SKILLS. 
          UM, THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN WILLING TO PROVIDE US SOME INSTRUMENTS AND TOOLS THAT THEY HAVE SO THAT WE LIKE, LIKE THE WEIGHT MACHINES, I FORGOT WHO, WHO WAS MENTIONING THAT. 
          SO THEY WILL HELP US WITH SOME SUPPLIES AS WELL. 
          UM, WE HAVEN'T ASKED FOR IT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANNA WASTE MONEY IF WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THE POSITION. 
          BUT, UM, SHOULD THAT OPEN UP? OF COURSE WE WOULD LOOK FOR ANY OPPORTUNITY TO HELP SUPPORT SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT THAT GOES ON IN LINE WITH THAT. 
          AND IT'S NOT IN HERE, BUT IF 
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YOU GET THAT POSITION, THERE'S A VEHICLE REQUIRED, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, A REGULAR, UH, UH, FORD, UH, INTERCEPTOR FOR THAT. 
          YOU'RE GONNA NEED SOME KIND OF A TRUCK THAT'S NOT IN HERE AT ALL. 
          IT'S, IT'S IN THE DECISION PACKAGE ITSELF. 
          SO EVERY DECISION PACK, NO, I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          EVERY DECISION PACKAGE HAS THE EQUIPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH IT, THE UNIFORMS, THE VEHICLE. 
          UM, SO WE PUT THAT IN. 
          SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, WE'RE TELLING YOU ALL THAT IT WOULD COST AS FAR AS SALARY, VEHICLE, UM, UNIFORMS, EVERYTHING. 
          SO WE DID TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND THAT'S A GREAT, UM, QUESTION THAT YOU'RE ASKING. 
          SO TWO OF OUR VEHICLES THAT WE WOULD DO, SHOULD WE GET THESE POSITIONS? ONE FOR THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH OFFICER IS A TRUCK AS WELL TO HANDLE ANY CARRY OUT ITEMS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO FROM SOME OF THE ENCAMPMENTS THAT WE HAVE, THE ABILITY TO TAKE THAT OUT VERSUS OUR, OUR VEHICLES RIGHT NOW. 
          AND ALSO THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE WOULD BE A TRUCK, THE MOTOR OFFICER, YOU KNOW, IS A MOTORCYCLE. 
          SO THOSE ARE ALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE INDIVIDUAL POSITIONS. 
          GOOD. 
          'CAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THERE, BUT I KNOW WHAT GOES WITH THAT, ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND I COULDN'T IMAGINE HOW IT WAS GONNA FIT IN THE EXPLORER. 
          SO, SO MAYOR ON THE CHART UP ON THE SCREEN, THE COLUMN IN THE CENTER, THE ONE TIME COST REFLECTS THOSE TYPES OF ITEMS. YEAH. 
          GOOD. 
          BARBARA, YOU HAD SOMETHING? SHE DID. 
          SHE'S GOOD THAT WAY. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, UH, THAT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE. 
          UH, VICE MAYOR, YOU HAD A QUESTION. 
          I DO THE, YOU KNOW, CONSTANTLY SEEING THESE HUGE TRUCKS, THEY'RE DELIVERING GOODS TO OUR BUSINESSES, BUT OUR STREETS WEREN'T DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE THE SIZE OF THESE TRUCKS. 
          AND I FEEL SOMETIMES THEY ARE A HAZARD THE WAY THEY PARK. 
          WOULD THIS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INSPECTIONS FOR VEHICLE SAFETY, BUT THEIR PRESENCE TO ME IS UNSAFE IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS. 
          IS WOULD THAT OFFICER OR DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DEAL WITH THAT? SO THE, BESIDES, YOU KNOW, THEIR BREAKS AND, AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, PHYSICAL FACTORS? YES. 
          BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR FOCUS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M THINKING THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALLUDING TO OR SOME THAT SIT IN THAT LEFT TURN LANE THAT, UM, PUT DOWN THEIR LIFT GATE AND THEN GO ACROSS THE STREET CREATING ANOTHER ISSUE. 
          SO YES, THAT IS WHAT THEY WOULD WORK AT TO TRY AND GET THEM TO EITHER USE A SMALLER VEHICLE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THE ROADS OR PARK SEPARATE AND THEN FIND A BETTER WAY TO MOVE THOSE MATERIALS OVER. 
          SO THAT IS WHERE THEY COULD FOCUS MORE, UM, AND GO THROUGH THE, THE REGULATIONS OF WHAT, WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THEM TO DO THAT? WELL THE, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS THERE WAS A TRUCK PARKED, AND THIS IS A KIND OF A, A WEIRD TRAFFIC LIGHT ANYWAY ON ANTE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO, UM, THE HOTEL AIDEN, THE ADRIAN, WHAT'S IT CALLED? AIDEN. 
          HMM? AIDEN. 
          AIDEN. 
          AIDEN. 
          YEAH, AIDEN. 
          THEY WERE COMPLETELY BLOCKED A LANE WHERE IF YOU WANTED TO CROSS, YOU COULDN'T CROSS OR YOU WOULD, YOU'D GO INTO THE LANE THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT OF AND IT WAS COMPLETELY BLOCKED. 
          SO I I JUST, BESIDES BEING THE SIZE OF THE VEHICLE, I SEE THEM OVER THERE ALL THE TIME. 
          USUALLY THEY'RE NOT PARKED IN A, UM, IN WHERE  IN A LANE THAT'S BEING USED FOR, FOR TRAFFIC ACROSS 89 A, BUT, UH, IT DIDN'T, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE VERY HAZARDOUS ALL OVER TOWN IN MY VIEW. 
          YEAH. 
          SO TO TO SAY THAT, THAT'S WHY FOR ME, I'M SAYING THAT WE REALLY NEED THIS TRAFFIC TYPE OF UNIT TO DEAL WITH THESE ONGOING ISSUES BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE MAJORITY OF, OF THAT IS TAKEN ON BY THE STAFF THAT'S WORKING, THAT IS TRYING TO GET THAT IN WHILE GOING TO CALLS. 
          AND I'M TRYING TO, TO ALSO CREATE A PROACTIVE APPROACH WITH HAVING PEOPLE DEDICATED TO LOOKING TO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS TO FIX THEM BEFORE WE HAVE OTHER SITUATIONS. 
          AND YES, BY HAVING A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, UM, INSPECTOR AND YOU KNOW, A TRAFFIC OFFICER, THEIR FOCUS WOULD BE MORE TOWARDS THOSE TYPES OF RIGS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I COULD TELL YOU A, A MOTOR OFFICER WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO GO AND TALK TO THAT PERSON ABOUT BLOCKING LANE AND PARKING ON THE HIGHWAY BECAUSE THERE ARE STATE LAWS THAT DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          I COULD ENFORCE THAT SAME WAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO TAG TAGGING ON THOUGH, SEMIS ON 89 A IN THE SUICIDE LANE, THE SAME TRACTOR, BUT WITH A SLIGHTLY SMALLER TRAILER IN THE SUICIDE LANE ON 
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1 79 NORTH OF AK. 
          IS THAT ACTUALLY ILLEGAL OR NOT? IT'S HAZARDOUS AS ALL CAN BE, BUT IS IT ACTUALLY ILLEGAL? YEAH, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T PARK AND STOP ON THE HIGHWAY, EVEN IF IT'S THE SUICIDE LANE. 
          UM, WELL WE DON'T QUOTE, IT'S A TRAVEL LANE . 
          SO, UM, THAT THAT LEFT TURN LANE IS NOT MEANT FOR PARKING. 
          ARE WE REALLY GONNA START ENFORCING THAT? I MEAN, I GOTTA BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD HAVE A MATERIAL IMPACT ON SEVERAL OF THESE BUSINESSES WHERE THERE PROBABLY IS NO ALTERNATIVE. 
          REALISTICALLY, I THINK WE WOULD FIRST START BY TAKING THAT EDUCATIONAL APPROACH TO SAY, HEY, IS THERE A BETTER LOCATION TO DO THIS IN VERSUS WHERE IT IS OCCURRING? UM, SO IT WOULDN'T BE A, A ZERO TOLERANCE. 
          RIGHT? AND WE'RE STARTING TO HAND OUT ALL THESE TICKETS. 
          WE'RE GONNA TRY AND WORK WITH PEOPLE TO SEE IF THERE'S A BETTER PLACE TO DO THAT UNLOADING OR IF THEY CAN BRING A SMALLER VEHICLE TO DO THESE DELIVERIES, RIGHT? BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE COMPANIES AREN'T JUST DELIVERING TO THAT ONE RESTAURANT OR WHATEVER THE LOCATION IS. 
          THEY'RE DOING A LOT. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING THEIR LOADS TO DO AND MAXIMIZE THAT, RIGHT? SO WHAT WE WOULD WANNA ASK THEM IS TO REDUCE THAT TO MEET OUR NEEDS AS WELL BY KEEPING OUR ROADS SAFE VERSUS WORRYING ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO GO TO AND STACKING THAT TRUCK TO DO ALL THOSE VERSUS MAYBE HAVING ONE TRUCK COME HERE THAT'S SMALLER AND THEN DOING THAT TYPE OF TRAVEL IN ANOTHER VEHICLE, WHICH WOULD ADD COST TO THEIR COMPANY. 
          BUT I THINK, UM, COMMANDER DOWELL WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING THAT WAS TIERED. 
          I, I THINK WHAT YOU'LL FIND WITH MANY OF THEM, IT IT'S A CONVENIENCE THING FOR 'EM. 
          IT'S NOT AS MUCH AS THEY DON'T HAVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          SOMETIMES IT'S A CONVENIENCE THING. 
          BUT WHAT I'LL SAY IS ON THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE THING, THESE COMMERCIAL DRIVERS KNOW THAT MOST OF US OFFICERS DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT THEM WITH A MICROSCOPE. 
          THIS ONE DOES. 
          IT ONLY TAKES ONE OR TWO MICROSCOPE CHECKS WITH THEM BEFORE THE WORD GETS OUT AND THEN THEY ALL START, OH, I DON'T WANT TO BE UNDER THE MICROSCOPE. 
          THEY DON'T WANT THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT ONE TO THREE HOURS. 
          WE INSPECT THEM. 
          SO IT'S, IT WILL BECOME A COMPLIANCE THING ALMOST IMMEDIATELY YOU'LL SEE THE IMPACT. 
          SO TO BRIAN'S POINT, AND I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE CVI COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, UH, OFFICER, BUT I KNOW THIS WAS LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO FOR HIDEAWAY HOUSE AND THAT SMALL GROUP OF STORES, THEY HAVE NO PLACE ELSE TO GET DELIVERIES NOW THAT, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS CORRECT AND STILL A HAZARD, BUT I WOULD, I I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT ON THOSE STORES IF THEY CAN'T GET THEIR DELIVERIES AND THEY HAVE, FROM CONVERSATION I HAD WITH THE OWNER OF HIDEAWAY HOUSE YEARS AGO, YOU ACTUALLY, THE LAST OWNER, HE SAID, I HAVE NO OTHER WAY OF GETTING DELIVERY IN. 
          THEY'RE NOT GONNA BRING A SMALLER TRUCK UP TO ME. 
          SO I, I'D JUST BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA PUT ANY BUSINESSES OUT OF BUSINESS OR RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH, WITH THE ECONOMY. 
          I DON'T WANNA EVEN MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM. 
          WELL, AND I, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE DON'T TAKE A ZERO TOLERANCE APPROACH. 
          WE REALLY TRY TO FIND SOLUTIONS BEFORE WE JUST GO OUT THERE AND START TICKETING. 
          SO THAT'S NOT OUR GOAL EITHER. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE VERY COMMUNITY FOCUSED AS YOU GUYS KNOW AS WELL, THAT WE TRY AND WORK AND FIND SOLUTIONS. 
          THERE MIGHT NOT ALWAYS BE ONE. 
          SO THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO WITH VERY SPECIFIC LOCATIONS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, WE WANT SOMEBODY THAT CAN FOCUS ON THAT AND HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP AND TRY AND WORK TO, TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHY I APPRECIATE THE RELATIONSHIPS AND COMMUNITY IS IMPORTANT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, YOU HAVE MORE TO IT I'M SURE, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE RESOURCE OFFICER AND, UH, ACTUALLY, UM, YOU GOOD? UNLESS YOU HAD QUESTIONS ON THOSE AT, AT THE BEGINNING I WAS STATING THAT, I KNOW WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT, UM, THE THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT POSITION. 
          YES. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, COMMUNITY OUTREACH. 
          SO I DID NOT PUT THE SAME, UM, PACKET TOGETHER FOR THAT. 
          BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'RE ALL HERE, WE'RE READY TO ANSWER. 
          IF IT'S ABOUT THE PART-TIME RECORDS CLERK, UM, WE CAN ANSWER THOSE. 
          I JUST KNOW THAT A BULK OF THE INFORMATION WAS AT THE, THE LARGE INCREASE OF THOSE NINE THAT WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO SHOW WHY. 
          BUT, UM, THAT IS THE CONCLUSION. 
          I I JUST, THE LAST CHART THAT WE HAD WAS REALLY JUST A A, A BREAKDOWN. 
          CAN YOU GO BACK ONE, UM, OF, OF THIS JUST REALLY SHOWING, UM, WHAT OUR, OUR OVERALL WAS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE REQUESTING THIS YEAR. 
          THAT'S A HELPFUL SLIDE TOO. 
          'CAUSE THE OTHER DECISION PACKAGE DIDN'T BREAK IT OUT THE SAME WAY. 
          SO THIS REALLY HELPED VICE MAYOR YOU HAVE A, A COMMENT? UH, I I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND. 
          THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH OFFICER'S A SWORN OFFICER, CORRECT. 
          AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR IS NOT CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE SUSTAINABLE POLICE PATROL VEHICLES, YOU STILL NEED THE VEHICLES, RIGHT? ARE YOU, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TESLA? THE ELECTRIC ? YEAH, I'M TALKING ABOUT ABOUT, THERE'S A ONE TIME COST FOR, 
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THAT WAS ONE VEHICLE $150,000. 
          THAT WAS, THAT WAS FOR THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE. 
          THAT WAS THE TESLA FOR THE PILOT PROGRAM TO SEE IF WE COULD MOVE OUR PATROL FLEET TOWARDS ELECTRIC. 
          WE WANTED TO PILOT AND TRY ONE BEFORE WE PURCHASED MANY OR WENT TOWARDS SOMETHING TO, TO NOT HAVE BE. 
          SO THIS IN THIS INCLUDED THOUGH THE COST OF GOING OUT THERE TO GET IT, THE ADDITIONAL TRAINING THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE DEFENSIVE DRIVING. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE OUR OTHER VEHICLES. 
          SO THIS COST WAS ASSOCIATED WITH UPFITTING PURCHASE AND TRAINING. 
          IS THERE ANOTHER VEHICLE OTHER THAN TESLA, ANOTHER BRAND OTHER THAN TESLA THEY WOULD FALL THAT YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERING OR TESLA WAS THE ONLY ONE? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT'S BEEN DOING THE RESEARCH ON THE POLICE ELECTRIC FLEETS AND THAT MOST OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS USING EVS ARE USING TESLAS. 
          UM, THE REASON WHY I SAID NO TO THIS ONE IS BECAUSE, UM, IT IS NOT A REPLACEMENT VEHICLE FOR THE CURRENT FLEET. 
          UM, THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL VEHICLE JUST TO TRY IT OUT AND SEE IF IT COULD WORK AND, UM, WHICH IS FINE. 
          BUT WE ALSO, WHEN YOU SEE SUSTAINABILITY PACKAGES IN THE CIP, WE'RE WORKING ON TRYING TO GET OUR CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT ALL OF THESE FLEET VEHICLES WE'RE PURCHASING. 
          AND I HAD A HIGH CONCERN THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN PLACE FIRST AND WE BRING ONE OF THESE ON AND WE CAN'T KEEP IT CHARGED AND HAVE THOSE PROBLEMS, THAT THE, UM, THE WILLINGNESS OF THE ORGANIZATION TO ACCEPT SOMETHING LIKE THIS AS THE FUTURE FLEET ITEM, IT WOULDN'T BE A SUCCESSFUL PILOT. 
          SO I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GET OUR CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE BEFORE WE KEEP ADDING MORE EVS. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA GET SUPPORT ON THAT BRAND , SO, BUT THEY'RE REALLY COOL TO DRIVE, AREN'T THEY? I I THINK YOU AND I DID ENJOY THAT CYBER . 
          WE DID . 
          I I DON'T THINK IT'S A GREAT POLICE VEHICLE FOR US, BUT I DID HAVE FUN THAT DAY, SO. 
          YEP, ME TOO. 
          SO THEN IT WAS WORTH IT. 
          WELL, YEAH. 
          UM, OKAY, SO THAT'S CONCLUDES YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          THAT DOES VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU VERY, THIS WAS VERY, VERY INSIGHTFUL. 
          WE'VE COME A LONG WAY IN ONE YEAR ON A MULTIPLE LEVELS AND IT'S REALLY APPRECIATED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING AND CONSIDERING OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE, HOW ABOUT WE DO 45 MINUTES FOR LUNCH? HALF HOUR 45. 
          OKAY, WELL, OKAY, WELL WE HAD 12 TO ONE, UH, SLATED, BUT IF WE CAN CUT OFF, I WAS GONNA CUT OFF 15 MINUTES, MINUTES. 
          DO YOU WANNA CUT A HALF HOUR? OKAY. 
          WE'RE MISSING 60 MINUTES FROM THE MORNING PORTION. 
          THE CAPITAL BUDGETED LONG RANGE, RIGHT? WE TOOK THAT OUT ALREADY. 
          NO, WE, NO WE DIDN'T, WE NO WE DIDN'T. 
          WAIT A MINUTE. 
          WE'RE AN HOUR AND 15 BEHIND RIGHT HERE. 
          I THOUGHT WE HAD THE, UH, UHUH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          HALF HOUR JOANNE. 
          HALF HOUR PLEASE. 
          WE'VE AN HOUR AND A HALF BEHIND. 
          SO NOW THAT CUTTING THAT HALF HOUR TO CONVENIENT HOUR BEHIND. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'LL SEE YOU IN A HALF AN HOUR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WHAT, SLEPT ON IT. 
          OH, WE STILL GOT, THERE'S THAT OTHER PART THAT I DIDN'T WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT. 
          THEY DON'T SPEAK, THEY DON'T SEE TOWARDS THE LATER, THE NEXT STEP FOR THEM. 
          THEY MAY NOT BE PLANNING TO ATTEND THEN SEND AN EMAIL. 
          WHERE ARE THEY GOING AT THREE 30? LEMME SEE BACK THERE. 
          OKAY, SHIRLEY, WHO'S UP NEXT? OKAY, I GOTTA GO. 
          CIP. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT, BYE. 
          READY? I'M READY. 
          OKAY, GO FOR IT. 
          ALRIGHT, MAYOR AND COUNSELOR, WE'RE GONNA JUMP INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. 
          UH, TO MY RIGHT I HAVE KURT HARRIS AND SANDY PHILLIPS, AS WELL AS JOHN HALL AND OF COURSE, UH, BARBARA WHITEHORN. 
          SO, UH, REAL QUICKLY I'M GONNA JUST DO A HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY OF THE CIP BEFORE WE DRILL DOWN INTO INDIVIDUAL, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. 
          SO AS A DEFINITION, CIP IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND ABOVE WITH A THREE YEAR LIFE. 
          THIS IS A 10 YEAR PLAN. 
          THIS IS A SHIFT FROM MCLEAN TO QUESTA. 
          WITH THE SOFTWARE THAT WE'RE UTILIZING NOW, ENABLES US TO HAVE A, A BETTER FUNCTIONALITY WITH A 10 YEAR PLAN. 
          UH, THE POLICY IS BALANCED, SO IT DOES REQUIRE 17.8 MILLION OF UNRESTRICTED CAPITAL RESERVES TO COVER SEDONA AND MOTION PROJECTS REQUIRES 5.3 MILLION ALLOCATION FROM THE GENERAL FUND. 
          UH, IT'S A SURPLUS TO COVER UNRESTRICTED CAPITAL RESERVE REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND THEN IT ALSO INCLUDES 4.6 MILLION TRANSFER FROM TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX FUND TO COVER PUBLIC TRANSIT PROJECTS. 
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THIS SHOWS, UH, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BY CATEGORY. 
          SO WE HAVE, UM, IN TWO COLUMNS CARRY OVER AND NEW APPROPRIATION. 
          SO IT STARTS WITH OUR HIGHEST GROUP, WHICH IS SEDONA IN MOTION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OUR MUNICIPAL COURT, WHICH IS A DECISION PACKAGE. 
          WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE ANYTHING IN ARTS AND CULTURE FOR THIS YEAR, BUT AFTER TALKING WITH NANCY, THERE IS SOME INTEREST IN PUTTING ABOUT $20,000 IN THE ARTS AND CULTURE PROJECT, UH, FOR SOME RELATED MURAL PROJECTS. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING, UM, WE CAN DISCUSS. 
          THIS IS, UH, HISTORICAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BY EXPENDITURES. 
          SO IF WE LOOK AT, UH, STARTING IN FY 23, WE SAW A REALLY BIG JUMP AT 56.8 MILLION. 
          22.1 MILLION OF THAT WAS A LAND PURCHASE. 
          AND THEN IN 2024 WE SAW A LITTLE BIT OF A DECREASE BACK DOWN TO A NORMAL OR, OR SOMEWHAT NORMAL BUDGET. 
          IT IS STILL MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE HISTORICALLY SEEN AT 33 MILLION. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL EXPENDITURES ARE. 
          FOR OUR FY 25, THE BUDGET WAS 48.3 MILLION. 
          AND THE ESTIMATED ACTUALS WERE STILL WORKING ON THIS, BUT THE ESTIMATE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 35 MILLION OR 72%. 
          I KNOW KURT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BE A MUCH HIGHER UTILIZATION RATE. 
          AND THEN WE DO HAVE 3 MILLION THAT WAS IN LAND PURCHASE. 
          UM, SO TOTAL LESS LAND IS 32 MILLION. 
          SO THE CURRENT BUDGET AS IS FOR CIP FOR FY 26 IS LOWER THAN FY 25 AT 45.9 MILLION. 
          AND THEN THIS SHOWS JUST THE SIGNIFICANT CIP PROJECTS FOR FY 26, THE LARGEST BEING THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE. 
          UM, NEXT WOULD BE RANGER ROAD, THE BREWER ROAD ROUNDABOUT, EXCUSE ME. 
          WE HAVE THE, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PROCESS UPGRADES, AND THEN THE ANTE SHARED USE PATH. 
          THIS IS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BY FUNDING SOURCE. 
          SO THE MAJORITY OF THE CIP IS FUNDED BY CAPITAL RESERVES. 
          WE DO HAVE OUR DEBT FINANCING AND THEN TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX BEING THE NEXT LARGEST GROUP WITH WASTEWATER REVENUES FOLLOWING RIGHT AFTER THAT. 
          AND JUST WANTED TO CALL OUT. 
          THE REMAINING ARPA FUNDS ARE COMMITTED TO THE WASTEWATER PROJECTS. 
          UM, AND THIS JUST HAS TO BE COMPLETED BY DECEMBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WITH THAT WE'LL JUMP INTO THE INDIVIDUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FIRST AS JUST ALPHABETICALLY, WHICH IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          UM, AND I CAN TALK TO THIS. 
          UM, SO WHEN WE MET TO TALK ABOUT CONTINGENCIES, UH, THE GENERAL IDEA WOULD BE TO PUT A $2 MILLION CONTINGENCY. 
          SO THIS IS REALLY DEPENDENT ON COUNCIL'S INTEREST AND HAVING THIS. 
          SO FOR FY 26, THIS IS ZERO, AS WE DO HAVE CALLED OUT THAT THIS IS A DECISION PACKAGE. 
          BUT FOR ALL FUTURE YEARS WE DID PUT A $2 MILLION PLACEHOLDER. 
          UH, AGAIN, THIS WILL BE REVIEWED ANNUALLY IF COUNSEL DOES HAVE INTEREST TO KEEP THIS PLACEHOLDER IN HERE WITH ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I, I HAVE JUST A GENERAL QUESTION. 
          WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THESE PROJECTS AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THEM AFTER THEY'RE ALL DONE. 
          OR HOW ARE WE DOING THIS? GOOD QUESTION. 
          UM, MY, MY PLAN, UH, BY SMEAR PLU IS JUST TO TAKE NOTES IF YOU WANT TO MAKE DECISIONS, IF IT'S EASIER TO MAKE DECISIONS AS WE HIGHLIGHT EACH PROJECT, WHETHER YOU'D LIKE TO APPLY FUNDING OR PUSH OUT TO A FUTURE YEARS, UM, I'M GONNA KEEP TRACK OF THESE UPDATES SO THAT IN THE AT TE BUDGET ADOPTION, THESE ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU MAKE ARE, ARE REFLECTED. 
          SO IT'S REALLY, IF YOU'D LIKE TO REVIEW EVERYTHING NOW OR IF IT'S EASIER AS WE GO ALONG, MAKE DECISIONS, I CAN GO ALONG. 
          DO YOU AGREE? GOING ALONG? YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          OH, WELL I AGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE SOME OF THEM, YEAH. 
          STERLING, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LISTS? THAT ONE, SO THIS IS ALL WE HAVE IN THERE, RIGHT? EXCEPT FOR A COUPLE MORE THINGS. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE A VERY LONG LIST OF, THERE'S A LOT OF SMALLER ITEMS. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY BOTTOM OTHER CIP PROJECTS, A AMOUNT TO 32. 
          ALRIGHT, TOTALING 8.5 MILLION. 
          WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 
          HOW DOES THE COUNCIL FEEL GO DOWN THE LIST RIGHT HERE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU WE'RE, WE'RE OPPOSED TO OR WANT MORE INFORMATION? UH, WHAT'S THAT? YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PAGE? MARY, YOUR PART, YOUR BOOK. 
          I CAN'T, I'M SORRY. 
          CAN'T YOU SEE AROUND THE YEAH, NO, THIS PAGE HERE. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING THAT SOME OF US ARE, WANT MORE INFORMATION OR WE'RE GOOD WITH AND WOULD SUPPORT IN ORDER TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS? SO, I MEAN, WHY TALK ABOUT THINGS IF WE'RE UNANIMOUS SUPPORT OR MORE THAN FOUR OF US. 
          ANDY, CAN I THROW OUT, UM, ON SIM 11 WE'RE INTENDING TO GO THROUGH THE MATRIX AND TALK ABOUT SOME CHANGES IN THAT AREA THAT WE PROPOSE. 
          OKAY, WELL THAT'S A DIFFERENT 
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STORY, BUT YOU KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BECAUSE I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT, I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT SIM 11. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, THE ONES THAT ARE ONGOING, 'CAUSE THEY'RE ONGOING, RIGHT? CAN WE JUST MAYBE SAY THEY'RE ONGOING AND THERE'S A COMMITMENT TO THOSE AND NOT GO INTO THEM IN DETAIL OR WELL, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING. 
          I MEAN, THE PARKING GARAGE IS ONGOING, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY ONGOING. 
          IT'S CONSTRUCTION PHASE. 
          THEY'RE BUILDING IT. 
          BUT PW FIVE IS REAL ESTATE LAND ACQUISITION. 
          THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT NEEDS A OH, I SEE. 
          A NOD OF YES OR NO, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ONGOING. 
          RIGHT? SO SHOULD WE GO DOWN THE LIST AND WE WE COULD DO A THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN, OR WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          DOES THAT WORK? OKAY. 
          SO THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE, DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS? IS THIS JUST A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? IS THIS ADDING TO THE TOTAL PRICE OF THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE OR IS THIS JUST AN ALLOCATION OF MONEY WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT? RIGHT. 
          THIS IS THE PORTION OF THE BUDGET YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED FOR THE PARKING GARAGE THAT WILL BE SPENT IN FY 26. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST TO RELEASE THAT MONEY. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE. 
          DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS? A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          OKAY. 
          RANGER ROAD BREWER. 
          ROAD RANGER EXTENSION IMPROVEMENTS. 
          IT'S IN A DESIGN. 
          UH, RIGHT. 
          HOW WE VICE MAYOR? OH YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WAIT, WHAT TREATMENT PLANT PROCESS UPGRADES. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE NOT DOING THAT. 
          UH, WE HAVE SUPPORT OR DO WE NEED MORE INFORMATION? THIS, THIS WAS NOT ABOUT THE, UH, IRRIGATION LAND OR THE, THE WELLS. 
          WELLS OR ANY, THESE ARE JUST KIND OF PUMPS AND THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET'S GO DOWN TO ROXANNE. 
          HELLO. 
          FOR THE FY 26 PORTION, THAT IS FOR OUR UV UPGRADES, WHICH IS ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT AND IN CONSTRUCTION. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ABOUT THE SHARED USE PATH. 
          ANDY, YOU SAID THAT, UH, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, SO KURT, CAN YOU, ARE YOU READY TO ADDRESS THAT NOW OR WANTS DO ALL SIMILAR. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO FOREST ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WE JUST APPROVE THEM , RIGHT? UH, PORT LANE TO RURAL ROAD CONNECTION. 
          OH NO'S. 
          WHAT TO TALK ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I THINK WE HAVE MAJORITY CONSENSUS. 
          CAN I SEE THAT AGAIN? IS, BUT, BUT THE OTHER OPTION IS, IS DO YOU WANT TALK ABOUT IT? WELL, WOULD YOU YEAH. 
          ANY OTHER OPTION IS TALK ABOUT IT'S NOT THUMBS DOWN TO THE PROJECT. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT'S FINE. 
          UH, I, I AND I WOULD REALLY RATHER HAVE A FULL UNANIMOUS ON CERTAIN THINGS OR TALK ABOUT YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I I TOTALLY GET THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          CITYWIDE BUSINESS SOFTWARE, PETE? YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DRY CREEK ROAD PATHWAY WHITE BEAR AT THE TWO FENCES. 
          THAT'S THE DISCUSSION. 
          SIM 11, IT'S ALL PART ALL THE SIM OKAY. 
          NO, ALL THE SHARED USE PATH SIM EVIDENCE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE TRANSIT MAINTENANCE OPERATION CENTER, WE'LL TALK ABOUT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. 
          REAL ESTATE LAND ACQUISITION, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          I THINK WE'RE UNANIMOUS ON THAT. 
          YES, WE'VE APPROVED IT ALREADY. 
          OKAY. 
          IMPROVEMENTS AT RANGER STATION INTERIOR RESTORATION OF HOUSE AND BARN, UH, PR, UH, ZERO THREE B. 
          I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE THE OTHER CIP. 
          SO DID THAT HELP YOU TO MOVE FORWARD? IT DOES. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          I DON'T WANNA KEEP FEEDING DEAD HORSES WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SUPPORT OR TOTALLY AGAINST GO, GO BACK TO THE, UM, HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH IS THE START, RIGHT? YEP. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SAW ON THE 1.3 MILLION. 
          CORRECT? YES. 
          THIS AGAIN IS, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE MONEY FROM THE HOUSING FUND RESERVE AND MOVE IT UP INTO, UM, A CONTINGENCY WITHIN THAT BUDGET NEXT YEAR, UM, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACQUIRE LAND FOR HOUSING OR TO PARTICIPATE IN, UM, A DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE DEVELOPER IS DOING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IS REQUESTED FEE WAIVERS? YES, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. 
          BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN FY 26, SO, WELL I DIDN'T PUT IT IN. 
          I, UM, BECAUSE I WANTED THE COUNSEL TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          AH, SO I HAD UM, UM, JEANIE CREATE THE DECISION PACKAGE BECAUSE OF IT BEING NEW AND, UM, NOT LIKE A TYPICAL CIP PROJECT, BUT IF YOU DO WANT TO DO THAT, WE WOULD CAPTURE IT, I GUESS IN THE CIP AS A CONTINGENCY FOR HOUSING. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT, DO YOU JUST WANT THE PRESENTATION? YOU GONNA MAKE A DECISION THOUGH? YEAH. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
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SO BRIAN, UM, I'M OKAY WITH PUTTING IT IN, BUT I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO COMPUNCTION THAT WE NEED TO GO FIND A USE FOR IT. 
          AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME YESTERDAY TALKING ABOUT HAVING THIS POTENTIALLY IN THE BUDGET FOR THE FLEXIBILITY THAT IT AFFORDS, EVEN IF IT WINDS UP BEING TRANSFERRED OUT OF, WELL, EVEN IF IT MEANS BEING USED FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN HOUSING, SHOULD THE NEED ARISE. 
          AND IF I CAN CLARIFY ADDITIONALLY WHY I DIDN'T PUT IT IN, I HAD UM, HEARD THROUGH YOUR DISCUSSIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR ON VARIOUS PROJECTS RELATED TO HOUSING, UM, AND INTEREST OF THE COUNCIL TO COMPLETE CURRENT PROJECTS AND GET THINGS GOING ON PROPERTY WE ALREADY OWN. 
          WHICH WAS, AGAIN, I THOUGHT, I'M NOT SURE THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO, UM, WANT TO ADD THIS TO THE BUDGET IN THIS YEAR, BUT I DID PUT IT IN FY 27, BUT HAPPY TO HAVE YOU PUT IT IN THIS YEAR AS WELL. 
          IT'S A NET ZERO EFFECT TO THE OVERALL BUDGET. 
          OKAY, I SEE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT WOULD JUST COME DOWN, YEAH, IT DECREASES THE RESERVE AND INCREASES ON THE YEAH, IT, IT WILL STILL INCREASE THE TOTAL BUDGET, LIKE SUBJECT TO THE LIMIT KIND OF THING. 
          BUT IT IS NOT DEPENDENT ON A REVENUE COMING IN BECAUSE IT ALREADY IS PART OF A RESERVE. 
          AND I THINK AS WE PUT THAT TOGETHER IN THE BUDGET, WE WOULD CALL OUT THOSE THINGS THAT ARE COMING FROM RESERVES SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          GONNA COME DOWN TO THE MIDDLE. 
          BRIAN, YOU WENT, MELISSA, YOU HAVE AN OPINION? YEAH, SO I, I THOUGHT WE SORT OF BEAT THIS HORSE TO DEATH YESTERDAY. 
          UM, THIS MONEY IS NOT COMING OUT OF REVENUES. 
          THIS MONEY IS COMING OUT OF A RESERVE. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE THIS MONEY. 
          IF WE DON'T, YOU PUT IT IN THE BUDGET, IT'S STILL SITTING IN OUR BANK ACCOUNT SOMEWHERE. 
          SO I THINK WE DO MOVE IT INTO THE BUDGET WHETHER IT GETS USED FOR THIS OR NOT. 
          BUT THEN AGAIN, MAYBE, UH, THE PARCEL IN 89 A MIGHT GO TO, YOU KNOW, LITECH OR WHAT USED TO BE SUNSET LOFTS MIGHT GO, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE OF ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          SO WE MIGHT WANT TO USE SOME OF THAT FOR, YOU KNOW, DIFF FEES OR WHATEVER, OR GOODROW WITH DIFF FEES. 
          AND SO I'D RATHER HAVE THAT MONEY AVAILABLE THAN TO BE ABLE TO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE IT FOR THAT PURPOSE UNTIL NEXT YEAR. 
          THEREBY POTENTIALLY DIS YOU KNOW, DELAYING HOUSING PROJECTS IN THE CITY. 
          THANK YOU MELISSA. 
          VICE MAYOR. 
          I, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PUTTING IT IN THE BUDGET, BUT I HAVE A HUGE ISSUE ABOUT DESIGNATING $2 MILLION FOR LAND ACQUISITION. 
          AND I KNOW WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE WITH IT, BUT IN TERMS OF POLICY, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE THERE WRITTEN LIKE THAT BECAUSE ASSUMING THAT MY COLLEAGUES AGREE WITH ME, I THINK WE SHOULD DO WHAT WE'RE BUILD ON WHAT PROPERTY WE HAVE BEFORE WE GO LOOK FOR MORE LAND. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA GET DISTRACTED FROM THE WESTERN GATEWAY BY SMALL INFILL PROJECTS. 
          SO WE HAVE THREE PROJECTS THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO MOVE AND ALL THE LAND IS ACQUIRED, WHETHER IT'S GOODROW DEVELOPER'S LAND OR IT'S, IT'S 89 A AND IT'S SUNSET, WHICH IS OUR LAND. 
          I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH AND CULTURAL PARK. 
          SO IT'S MY VIEW AS STAFF, LIKE YOUR DIRECTION TOTALLY DEFINES WHERE IT GOES. 
          BUT I AM HAPPY IT'S IN THE HOUSING FUND. 
          SO IT'S IN THERE REGARDLESS. 
          AND WE CAN JUST CALL IT CONTINGENCY FOR INITIATIVES IF THAT WORKS FOR THE COUNTY. 
          THAT WOULD HELP ME. 
          DEREK. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY, I CALL IT HOUSING CONTINGENCY AND MOVE ON. 
          OKAY. 
          PETE, YOU GOOD WITH THAT? I, I AM, I LOOK OUT IN, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE IN THE FUTURE YEARS SEEING THIS CONTINUE TO BE THERE. 
          I WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE A ANNUAL CONVERSATION TILL WE'VE HAD THAT LONGER STRATEGY DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT REALLY SHOULD BE OUT THERE. 
          KATHY. 
          I AGREE IT SHOULD BE AN ANNUAL. 
          I AGREE WITH THE NAME CHANGE. 
          I AGREE IT SHOULD BE AN ANNUAL DISCUSSION, BUT I ALSO DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, UH, I, THE REVENUE'S THERE, I GET THAT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE TO FIND THAT IT'S IN THE FUND, BUT IT'S STILL PUTTING THE NUMBER IN STILL DRIVES THE BUDGET NUMBER UP. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH I WANT TO ESTABLISH THE PLACEHOLDER, I THINK IT'S A GOOD POLICY. 
          DOES IT HAVE TO BE $2 MILLION? I MEAN, WHY CAN'T WE JUST PUT, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY SINCE WE DO HAVE THE OTHER PROPERTIES AT THE MOMENT THAT WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS TO ESTABLISH THIS AS A PLACEHOLDER AND, AND TO START PUTTING POLICY TOGETHER. 
          COULD WE LOWER THIS DOWN TO A MILLION? I MEAN, IT DEPENDS WHAT THE POTENTIAL NEED IS, RIGHT? IF, IF WE NEED TO HELP JUICE A PROJECT ON LAND WE 
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ALREADY OWN A MILLION MAY NOT GET US VERY FAR, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          AND, AND IT'S NOT 2 MILLION. 
          IT'S PROPOSED AS 3.095 AS A INITIATIVES CONTINGENCY. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL WE HAVE THE OTHER FUND THAT ALSO THOUGH THERE WAS MONEY ALLOCATED TO FOR LAND ACQUISITIONS IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET OTHER THAN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUND MONIES. 
          SO WHEN YOU PUT THOSE TOGETHER NOW, I MEAN, DO WE NEED THAT MUCH MONEY AVAILABLE IN THAT FLEXIBLE WAY? I'M LOOKING TO TAKE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY SO THAT THE BUDGET LINE, THE BOTTOM LINE DOLLAR THAT GETS RELEASED IS THE BUDGET CAN BE REDUCED BY HALF. 
          WHAT, WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THE LAST AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE CITY WAS GONNA HAVE TO KICK IN FOR SUNSET? WASN'T IT GETTING UP TO LIKE SIX OR 7 MILLION? YEAH, IT WAS ALMOST EIGHT. 
          IT WAS LIKE 7.7. 
          THAT'S JUST MY SUGGESTION. 
          SO I'M LOOKING TO CUT THE BUDGET DOWN WHEREVER WE CAN, BUT I GET IT. 
          YOU KNOW, MY ISSUE IS I DON'T WANNA BUY ANY MORE LAND AT ALL UNTIL WE USE WHAT WE HAVE, BUT TO BE USED USING THIS MONEY FOR THOSE OTHER INITIATIVES WOULD BE GOOD. 
          I LIKE THE NAME CHANGE, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE BUDGET BEING ARTIFICIALLY HIGH. 
          SO IT'S LIKE, WHICH WAY DO WE GO? SO I THINK WE ARE SPLIT ON THIS RIGHT NOW. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE EVENLY SPLIT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. 
          CAN I ASK KURT A QUESTION? OKAY. 
          OR BARBARA? BOTH. 
          UH, SO LET'S SAY WE REDUCED SUNSET AND LET'S SAY IT WAS $7 MILLION. 
          IS THAT REPORTED IN ONE BUDGET YEAR? IF IT'S SPENT OVER TWO BUDGET YEARS? JUST BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE UH, COMMITTING TO IT. 
          SO, UM, TO HELP OUT A TINY BIT, BARBARA, THE POTENTIAL OF UM, THAT $7 MILLION WAS ONE OF THE BALANCE SHEET LOAN, UM, PROJECTS THAT WE DID NOT, UM, ULTIMATELY END UP AGREEING TO, BUT STILL POTENTIALLY OUT THERE. 
          SO I THINK THE, SO IT'S NOT A BUDGET ISSUE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD A 7 MILLION ISH DOLLAR BALANCE SHEET LOAN IN THE HOUSING FUND, HOW WOULD THAT SHOW UP FOR THE BUDGET SIDE? I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, RIGHT? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M ASKING. 
          SO A BALANCE SHEET LOAN, BECAUSE IT'S COMING, IT WOULD BE COMING OUT OF A BALANCE SHEET ACCOUNT, A RESERVE, AND WE WOULD TAKE IT OUT OF THE RESERVE AND BOOK A RECEIVABLE FOR THAT. 
          THAT'S ONLY BALANCE SHEET. 
          THE BUDGET IS BASED ON REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES. 
          SO WHEN YOU DO A LOAN LIKE THAT, IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR BUDGETED ITEMS BECAUSE THE REALITY IS IT'S A NET ZERO, RIGHT? WE'RE TAKING IT FROM THIS SIDE WHERE WE HAVE CASH AND WE'RE PUTTING IT OVER HERE AS A, YOU OWE US CASH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT REDUCES THE NEEDS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          LOAN NEVER, RIGHT? SO, SO LET'S REDUCE THE NUMBER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO JUST TO CLARIFY THE, OKAY, SO IT'S AT, AS YOU POINTED OUT, IT'S REALLY AT 3,095,000. 
          CAN WE BRING IT DOWN TO TWO? SO IT'S A RIGHT. 
          AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS FEELS TO ME LIKE WE'RE DOING FALSE ECONOMIES, RIGHT? WE ALREADY HAVE THIS MONEY. 
          THE MONEY IS GONNA SIT THERE IN THE BANK AND EARN 1% OR WHATEVER OUR INTEREST IS. 
          AND INSTEAD OF US BEING ABLE TO USE IT, IF WE HAVE HOUSING PROJECTS COME, IF A HOUSING PROJECT COMES AND GOOD ROAD SAYS I'M GONNA BUILD 27 AFFORDABLE UNITS, 'CAUSE REMEMBER NOT OUR LAND, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA PAY MY DIFF FEES THEN I'M NOT GONNA DO IT. 
          AND SO WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY THE DIFF FEES BECAUSE WE DECIDED NOT TO MOVE IT OUT OF THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT AND PUT IT IN THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE BUDGET. 
          AND NOW HE SAYS, FINE, I'LL DO 27 MORE MARKET RATES. 
          WELL, SO WE LOSE OUT ON THAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          WHAT I DON'T THINK YOU DO LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE INTO HER PERSONAL TIME, PLEASE. 
          YES. 
          I THINK THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO ME. 
          SO WRITER PERSONAL PRIVILEGE. 
          UM, SO YOU DON'T LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE YOU HAVE OTHER AVENUES OPEN TO YOU. 
          YOU CAN ALWAYS BORROW MONEY FROM A FUND AND THEN PAY IT BACK AFTER IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          WE COULD FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          IT'S ABOUT THE BUDGET, THE BOTTOM LINE BUDGET NUMBER. 
          WE KNOW REALISTICALLY OR PROBABLY IT'S UNLIKELY TO ACCESS THIS. 
          SO WHY WOULD WE SAY THERE'S GONNA, LET'S JUST INFLATE THE BUDGET ANOTHER $10 MILLION KNOWING WE'RE NOT GONNA USE IT. 
          WHY WOULD YOU INFLATE THE BUDGET THAT WAY? I MEAN I'M USING A HYPERBOLIC NUMBER OBVIOUSLY, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IF WE WANT IT AS A PLACEHOLDER, MAKE IT A PLACEHOLDER NUMBER. 
          SO I'M FINE WITH THE 2 MILLION. 
          AND KEEP IN MIND 
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THE MILLION 95, JEANNIE SAID THAT THAT WOULD COVER THREE GOODROW SIZED PROJECTS. 
          SO WE SHOULD BE FINE. 
          AND FOR DIFF FEES, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE WONDERING WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT. 
          DEREK VICE MAYOR, DID YOU FINISH WHAT YOUR COMMENT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WHAT BRIAN SAID IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. 
          SHE INCLUDED GOODROW IN HER MILLION 95,000 FOR DE FEES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          SO ARE WE GOOD WITH REDUCING THAT NUMBER? SO WE'RE BASICALLY REDUCING THE LAND ACQUISITION NUMBER BY A MILLION, IS THAT CORRECT? WE'RE NOT CALLING IT THAT. 
          YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW. 
          I'M INITIATIVE. 
          I'M LOOKING AT THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HEAR SO THAT WE'RE OKAY. 
          2 MILLION FOR THIS LINE ITEM. 
          FOR THE LINE ITEM, YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          2 MILLION FOR THIS LINE ITEM. 
          EXACTLY THAT WAY. 
          SO IF WE CAN BORROW THIS FROM OURSELVES WITHOUT ACCOUNTING FOR IT IN THE BUDGET, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IF WE HAVE OR WE HAVE TO NOT QUITE . 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OR IF WE'RE LENDING MONEY TO A DEVELOPER FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FROM THAT RESERVE THAT WE HAVE, THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO INCREASE THE BUDGET BECAUSE THAT'S A BALANCE SHEET ITEM ONLY. 
          BUT IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE TAKING MONEY OUT OF OUR RESERVE AND ADDING IT TO OPERATIONS SO THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY SPEND IT, WHETHER IT'S A CONTINGENCY OR AN ACTUAL BUDGET ITEM, THAT IS PART OF THE TOTAL BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY THEN WHY ISN'T THE NUMBER ZERO? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GOOD WITH THE TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ARE WE NOW DO A THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN ON 2 MILLION ON THIS LINE ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          HOLLY? 2 MILLION. 
          OKAY, GOT IT. 
          OKAY, VERY GOOD. 
          THAT HELP YOU BARBARA? OKAY. 
          WOULD COUNSEL LIKE TO, TO DISCUSS A CO THREE, WHICH IS CITY ARTS MURALS AND YOU HAVE THAT UP HERE STERLING, BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING NANCY WAS ASKING TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY INTO FY 26, CORRECT? YEP. 
          WHEN STAFF INITIALLY MET, WE DECIDED TO REDUCE THIS TO ZERO JUST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT AT THE TIME NANCY HAD A PROJECT LAID OUT. 
          UM, BUT SHE DID AFTER HER DEPARTMENT MEETING MENTION THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO POTENTIALLY ADD ABOUT 20,000 TO THIS. 
          AND THAT WOULD COME FROM THE 1% CORRECT? FOR OUR FUNDING SOURCE? CORRECT? YEAH. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE WE IN SUPPORT OF THAT? YEAH. 
          THUMBS UP OF WHAT THIS IS FOR 20 K. 
          2020 K. 
          20 K. 
          THIS, THIS BUDGET YEAR FOR THE MURAL FOR THE UM, BARN. 
          IT SAYS ZERO. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, SHE ASKED FOR IT. 
          SO IN HER PRESENTATION, ARE WE UNANIMOUS? MM-HMM. 
          OKAY, WE'RE UNANIMOUS. 
          NOW THESE ARE ALL, ARE ANY OF THESE IN THE BASE BUDGET? YEAH, THAT'S WHY I'M CONFUSED TOO. 
          WELL THE MURALS ARE NOT RIGHT, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S IN THE FY 26 COLUMN IS WHAT I INCLUDED IN THE BASE BUDGET. 
          MM-HMM  UH, EVEN THOUGH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS ALSO CALLED THE DECISION PACKAGE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT ONE WAS NOT. 
          SEE HOW THE COLUMN SAYS ZERO UNDER FY 26. 
          SO THAT ADDED, SO IF THERE'S A NUMBER IN THAT FY 26 CELL, THEN I DID INCLUDE IT IN MY BASE BUDGET. 
          SO THIS ONE WHERE YOU PUT 2 MILLION IN HERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 2 MILLION. 
          I'D LIKE TO KEEP A TAG. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH, I THINK STERLING, WHAT WE'VE ADDED TO THE BUDGET AS WE DISCUSSED THIS SO WE CAN GO BACK AND SEE IF WE STILL, WE NEED A BIG NUMBER ON THE SCREEN. 
          WE, SO RIGHT NOW YOU'RE AT 2 MILLION AND $20,000. 
          YEAH. 
          SO ON THE DECISION PACKAGES WHEN YOU HAD THEM AS GREEN, SO YES, YOU WERE IN AGREEMENT. 
          WERE THOSE FACTORED IN OR NO DECISION PACKAGE AT ALL WAS FACTORED IN? NO DECISION PACKAGES ARE IN THE BASE BUDGET. 
          I JUST ORGANIZED THEM AS HOW I WOULD ADD THEM IN IF I WAS KING FOR A DAY. 
          . 
          BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THE DECISION PACKAGES. 
          SO I GUESS I WOULD SAY THESE POTENTIALLY YOU MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER THESE YOUR TENTATIVE THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN TILL YOU GET TO SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE AFTER THE CIP AND THE DECISION PACKAGES AND VICE MAYOR PLU, I WILL PULL UP THIS SPREADSHEET AND AS WE GO ALONG I WILL EITHER CREDIT OR DEBIT WHATEVER YOU DECIDE TO, TO REMOVE OUT. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE A BIG PICTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO CAN I GO BACK TO THE CITY ART MURALS FOR A MOMENT? 'CAUSE I, I, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT 'CAUSE I WAS TAKING NOTES ON THE PREVIOUS ONE AS WE MOVED ON TO THIS, THIS, SO THIS IS WHAT IS THE REAL, WHAT REALISTICALLY IS THIS GONNA BE UTILIZED? I MEAN PUTTING IT IN, IS IT REALLY THERE'S A PLAN FOR THIS? YES. 
          YES. 
          THIS IS THE PROJECT NANCY DESCRIBED WITH KEEPS IT ON A 
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BEAUTIFUL, I BELIEVE, UM, AT THE RANGER STATION AND USING THE ONE, OH, IT'S THAT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL I HEAR PLUS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A MURAL, THAT'S A PAINTING. 
          IT'S NOT ON A WALL, IT'S NOT A MURAL. 
          THAT'S WHY I KEEP THINKINGS OF THINKING. 
          IT'S A DIFFERENT PROJECT. 
          THE LARGE SCALE FLAT ART PIECE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S A, UM, PLUS THE POTENTIAL FOR THE PEDESTRIAN UNDER CROSSING, UM, MURAL. 
          UH OH, THEY'RE BACK FOR MARK. 
          THEY'RE BACK. 
          . 
          HE IS ON. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I KNOW FOR THE CITYWIDE BUSINESS OFFER THAT YOU ALL GAVE THUMBS UP, IS THERE ANY INTEREST TO TO DISCUSS THIS ONE OR MOVE ON? KEEP GOING, MOVE ON, MOVE ON. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          NEXT IS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AT THE MUNICIPAL COURT. 
          THIS IS A DECISION PACKAGE WHICH WOULD ADD ABOUT $70,000 TO THE FY 26 BUDGET. 
          I, I APOLOGIZE. 
          UM, WE DECIDED IN THE INTERNAL MEETINGS TO SPLIT THIS OUT OVER TWO YEARS. 
          SO THIS WOULD HAPPEN IN A TWO YEAR PHASE BETWEEN FY 26 AND FY 27 AND UM, I BELIEVE IT'S IN RIGHT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE MM-HMM . 
          YES. 
          SO IT IS IN, AND THE REASON I PUT IT IN IS BECAUSE THIS WAS BASED ON THE MOST RECENT SECURITY ASSESSMENT AND THEY GAVE ME THE PUBLISHED REPORT WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          I'VE SENT THE FORMAL NOTICE TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT WE INTEND TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS IF YOU, IF IT GETS APPROVED IN THE BUDGET FOR THE BULLETPROOFING AND ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, UH, ANDY, HOW LONG HAVE WE HAD POSSESSION OF THAT BUILDING AND UTILIZING THE COURTHOUSE IN THAT FACILITY? TWO YEARS. 
          THREE YEARS. 
          THREE YEARS. 
          IT'S COMING ON THREE YEARS AND WE'VE BEEN HOLDING BACK AND WE'VE BEEN RESISTANT IN THE PAST. 
          I THINK MORE AND MORE THE CHALLENGES, JUST LIKE WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE, THE SAFETY OF THE POLICE OFFICERS. 
          WE WANT TO KEEP THEM SAFE. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING MORE TOO, UH, AT THE COURTHOUSE AS WELL. 
          AND SO I WOULD SUPPORT THAT AND MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THAT ASSESSMENT IS THIS IS THE LAST OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE. 
          RIGHT? SO, UH, I I DO, I DO A THUMBS UP. 
          THUMBS DOWN, ANNETTE. 
          AND SO YOU UNDER SAYING IT'S THE LAST THAT HAS TO BE DONE AND IS, WHY IS IT COMPELLING? IT HAS TO BE DONE THIS YEAR? UM, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THEY KEEP FAILING THEIR COURT SECURITY ASSESSMENTS EVERY YEAR BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN DONE BY THE STATE. 
          AND UM, I WOULD IMAGINE IF AN INCIDENT HAPPENED THERE AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE PROPER STUFF THAT THAT CREATES A RISK, WE WOULD BE RELIABLE FOR US. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND AND BRIAN HAD ASKED YESTERDAY IF THERE WAS, IF, IF WE WERE EXPOSED AND THE ANSWER WAS NO. 
          YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION YESTERDAY. 
          YOU SAID, DO WE HAVE EXPOSURE? IS THAT IN REGARDS TO THIS COURT SECURITY OFFICE? NO, THAT WAS, I THOUGHT THAT WAS IN THAT ONE HALLWAY. 
          NO, THAT WAS THE OUT AND OUT SECURITY. 
          SAFETY OF AND WELFARE OF PEOPLE. 
          SO THE UM, THERE WERE TWO PROJECTS. 
          ONE IS TO FIX THE CEILING 'CAUSE THERE'S AN EXPOSED CEILING I GUESS, AND THE WALL DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CEILING. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE JUDGE WAS DESCRIBING. 
          PEOPLE CAN HEAR CONFIDENTIAL CONVERSATIONS AND THE COURT WANTS THAT CLOSED OFF. 
          AND THE OTHER PART IS IN THE COURTROOM PUTTING THE BULLETPROOFING AND THE APPROPRIATE DIAZ OR WHATEVER THEY CALL THE JUDGE'S BENCH. 
          AND I, AND I THINK THOSE WERE THE TWO PRIMARY PIECES. 
          AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE PART THAT, UH, KATHY'S REFERRING TO FOR BRIAN WAS TALKING ABOUT IS IT, IS HIS STAFF ACCESSIBLE TO UH RIGHT. 
          IF THE CALL, BUT IT, THAT'S LOCKED. 
          BUT THE COURTROOM, IF ANYONE'S IN THERE GETS PASSED THE SECURITY, HE'S HE WOULD BE, UH, SUSCEPTIBLE TO UH, HARM. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE STAFF ARE BEHIND APPROPRIATE, UM, GLASS AND SECURITY ON THE STAFF SIDE ALREADY. 
          THAT WAS THE FIRST BIG REMODEL THAT SANDY'S NODDING HER HEAD 'CAUSE I THINK SHE WAS IN CHARGE OF ALL THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO THIS IS THE LAST PIECE THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE COURTROOM ITSELF AND THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN HIS CHAMBERS AND PARKS AND REC. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO WE HAVE UH, SUPPORT FOR THAT? WE ARE UNANIMOUS. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT ARE, THIS CATEGORY IS OTHER PUBLIC WORKS AND THE ONE THAT DID COME UP ON THE LIST WAS THE REAL ESTATE LAND ACQUISITION. 
          BUT HAPPY TO DISCUSS ANY OF THESE THAT COUNSEL'S INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          I KNOW IT'S THE WESTERN GATEWAY IMPROVEMENTS IS NOT THIS NEXT YEAR, BUT I STILL REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN REALLY IS. 
          AND 
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I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S SIGNIFICANT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT THAT THIS COMING YEAR, BUT IT'S A BIG QUESTION MARK IN MY MIND ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT I HAVE IN MY MIND IS IN THIS NEXT YEAR OR EVEN IN THIS YEAR, WHETHER WE'RE APPROACHING SOMEONE LIKE ULI TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM DEVELOPERS IN A MORE TIMELY WAY. 
          YES. 
          SO IN THE DECISION PACKAGE SITE, THERE'S THE CONSULTANT CONTRACT REQUEST FOR THE WESTERN GATEWAY IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THIS PIECE IS, UM, LIKE HARD INFRASTRUCTURE IF WE NEED TO EXTEND UTILITIES ON THE SITE TO GET THE SITE PREPPED FOR ANYTHING. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GUESSTIMATED THAT THE BULK OF THAT WOULD ACTUALLY NOT HAPPEN TILL FY 28 GIVEN THE PLANNING PROCESS, ET CETERA. 
          UM, AND THEN I WOULD EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T ASK ABOUT IT, UM, BUT THE CITIZEN BUDGET WORK GROUP DID ASK, ORIGINALLY THE FACILITY STUDY WAS IN A DECISION PACKAGE AND ON THAT LIST I SAY NO AND THEY WERE WONDERING WHY IT WAS BECAUSE I TOOK IT OUT OF THAT AND JUST WENT AHEAD AND PUT IT INTO THE CIP AS A RECOMMENDED PROJECT. 
          UM, SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE I MADE A YES AND PUT IT IN THE CIP. 
          OKAY. 
          WES, THE COUNCIL ON THIS, WHICH ONE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? OH, WE GOOD. 
          ZOOM INDIVIDUALLY. 
          YOU WANT WE CAN DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO UPTOWN ENHANCEMENTS, UM, THERE'S NOTHING PROPOSED FOR THAT. 
          NOTHING, CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANNA BE SURE THERE WASN'T A CHANGE OF MIND FACILITIES STUDY. 
          AGAIN, THIS HAS TO BE THIS YEAR OR IT'LL HAVE TO, OR C YEAH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN PUSHING, UM, EVERY BUDGET YEAR AND I, I PUSHED ON SANDY AND OUR FACILITIES CREWS SO WE CAN GO AND DO A PROPER ASSET OF OUR FACILITIES. 
          AS ANDY MENTIONED, WE HAVE SOME OLDER BUILDINGS, THE UA, UM, WE HAVE ALL THESE PARKING AREAS THAT AREN'T PART OF OUR NORMAL PAVING, UH, UPDATES, UM, STRUCTURES. 
          SO ON TO LOOK AT DRAINAGE. 
          SO THAT FACILITY STUDY IS I WANT TO DO SO I CAN COME BACK TO YOU FOLKS SAYING THIS IS WHAT OUR PLAN IS MOVING FORWARD. 
          RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A PLAN, BUT IT'S NOT SEGMENTED. 
          I'D LOVE TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY TELLING US WHAT THEIR BEST, UM, AN IMPARTIAL PLAN IS. 
          AN IMPARTIAL YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF WE WANT, WE CAN INCLUDE THAT PLAN TO ADD, MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A BUSINESS PLAN. 
          UM, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY ADD, UH, PROJECTED DOLLARS ON THAT. 
          AND ANNETTE, THE, SINCE THE NUMBER IS IN HERE, THIS WAS ALREADY FIGURED IN YOUR BASELINE, CORRECT? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A CONSENSUS HERE. 
          A THUMBS UP. 
          OKAY. 
          WE YOU HAVE THAT JOANNE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE REAL ESTATE LAND ACQUISITION. 
          SO JUST FOR CLARITY, THIS LAND WOULD BE FOR, FOR INSTANCE, CREEKSIDE PURCHASE FOR PRESERVATION AS OPPOSED TO ANYTHING OTHER LIKE A HOUSING, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS CLEAR WHAT THIS LAND ACQUISITION IS ABOUT. 
          AND YOU MIGHT WONDER WHAT THAT BIG $22 MILLION ITEM IS. 
          THAT'S FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE BREWER OFFICE OUT IN, WAS THAT 29? IS THAT WHEN IT'S DUE? 30? YEAH, 2030. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN THERE YEAH, YEAH. 
          BEGINNING IN 2030, THAT'S WHEN IT'S AVAILABLE TO PURCHASE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE IT, THAT'D BE WHEN IT'S FIRST AVAILABLE AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S OPTION TO SELL, UM, BUT THEN NO LATER I THINK THAN 2040 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TO WORK ON THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES. 
          , I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT. 
          WE'RE MAKING THESE INVESTMENTS INTO THIS PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LEASING MM-HMM . 
          I MEAN, HOW SOLID IS OUR, YOU KNOW, RIGHT. 
          OF FIRST REFUSAL. 
          WHAT IF THEY DON'T WANNA SELL AFTER ALL THAT TIME? SO I BELIEVE, I'D HAVE TO GO LOOK IT AGAIN, BUT IT'S, IT'S SOLID. 
          IF THEY EVER WANNA SELL, WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL. 
          UH, THEY JUST COULDN'T SELL BEFORE 2030. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND THEN THEREAFTER THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO SELL TO THE CITY, BUT UNTIL THE END OF THE LEASE, WHICH WOULD BE 2040 I THINK OR THEREABOUTS. 
          OH, SO THEY WERE REQUIRED AT THAT POINT TO SELL IT TO US? AT SOME POINT THEY'LL BE REQUIRED. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY'RE JUST, THEY, THEY WEREN'T SURE WHETHER THEY WANTED TO SELL IT EARLIER OR LATER. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THEY NEGOTIATED. 
          AS LONG AS AT SOME POINT THEY HAVE TO YES. 
          RECOVER OUR INVESTMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ON THE REAL ESTATE LAND, ARE, ARE WE LOOKING AT REDUCING THAT NUMBER DOWN OR ARE WE STICKING AT THE 1.3? I WOULD ZERO IT OUT. 
          THAT'S AN ACTUAL NUMBER, ISN'T IT, ANDY? 
          [04:40:02]
THE LAND, THE 1.3? UM, YES IT IS. 
          THAT'S THE PARCEL B. 
          SO WE  PARCEL, RIGHT? SO WE PURCHASED THE FIRST PARCEL AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SECOND PARCEL THIS YEAR. 
          THIS IS CREEK WALK. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT? NO, IT'S LAND THAT'S PR, SOMEONE MENTIONED CREEK WALK. 
          I, YES. 
          THE LAND PRESERVATION. 
          SO THE CREEK WALK IS PR 10. 
          AND LET ME LOOK AT THIS REAL QUICK. 
          LET'S GET THERE WHEN WE GET THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          SURE. 
          NEXT. 
          THAT'S THE NEXT PAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I, NO, I'M FALLING ON THIS ONE. 
          OKAY, I'M FINE ON THIS ONE. 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          HERE'S THE NUMBER. 
          SO AS EARLY AS JULY 26TH, 2029, BUT NO LATER THAN JUNE 30TH, 2040, WE'RE NOW OFFICIALLY HAVING THREE CONVERSATIONS AT ONE TIME. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT, SO LET'S, LET'S GET THUMBS UP OR DOWN ON THIS. 
          YES, WE HAVE REAL ESTATE LAND. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE UNANIMOUS ON THAT, JOE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY THEN CITY HALL WINDOW AND DOOR REPLACEMENT. 
          AND THIS IS PART, THIS 500 IS FOR PART THAT WE'VE ALREADY SORT OF COMMITTED TO WITH THE ONGA. 
          OKAY, VERY GOOD. 
          THIS IS JUST THE, UH, FINANCE DEPARTMENT, NOT THE WHOLE COMPLEX, RIGHT? NO, IT'S MOVING ON TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WE ALREADY CONTRACTED RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          PARTNERS OFFICE, THE MANAGER, THE FIRST PART, WHAT HAVE WE CONTRACTED FOR THE ENTIRE FACILITY? NO, THE UM, 300,000 FOR THE DOORS AND WINDOWS ON FINANCE AND UM, THE VOL ROOM. 
          RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR, BECAUSE IT HASN'T, THAT'S WEED OVER. 
          WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE LIST FOR THE, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          EXPLAIN WHAT THIS, THIS ITEM IS TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS AND DOORS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE. 
          SO WE'RE TAKING IT A LITTLE BIT A YEAR AT A YEAR. 
          SO WE'VE BROKEN IT UP AND DOING SMALL BUILDINGS AT IT. 
          SO THIS PORTION WILL GIVE US HOW MUCH MORE, WHAT BUILDING OR THE BALANCE. 
          IT'LL COMPLETE WHAT WE'VE STARTED AT THE VOLTI AND THE FINANCE AND IT'LL MOVE ON TO UM, OTHER PRIORITY PROJECTS. 
          SO FOR INSTANCE, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HAS SOME WINDOWS. 
          OKAY, QUESTION. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME SURPLUS FUNDS AND WE COULD ALLOCATE MONIES TO SOME CAPITAL PROJECTS TO GET THEM OUT OF THE ONGOING BUDGET, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO IS THAT SOMETHING, WHY WOULDN'T WE LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? DO YOU MEAN TO, UM, ACCELERATE THIS PROJECT AND  TO ACCELERATE IT? AND ALSO AGAIN, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE OVERALL BUDGET NUMBER, YOU KNOW, BEING HIGHER THAN I'M COMFORTABLE WITH GOING INTO. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          I'M USUALLY PRETTY OPTIMISTIC PERSON. 
          I AM VERY PESSIMISTIC AT THE MOMENT. 
          I THINK THAT WE HAVE A BUDGET THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT HAS A, UH, INCREASED PROJECTION OF INCREASED REVENUES. 
          ALTHOUGH VERY CONSERVATIVE PROJECTION. 
          I'M NOT SO SURE. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW I MYSELF HAVE CANCELED TRAVEL PLANS FOR THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE POLITICAL CLIMATE AND THE ECONOMIC CLIMATE WHICH ARE COMPLETELY LINKED. 
          UM, I CAN'T BE THE ONLY PERSON THINKING THAT WAY. 
          SO I THINK SINCE WE'RE SUCH A TOURISM DEPENDENT ECONOMY, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT INFLATING A BUDGET BEYOND WHAT OUR REVENUES WILL REALISTICALLY COULD COME IN AT, AT A LOWER RATE. 
          SO IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE SOME CASH IN THE BANK, SO TO SPEAK, RIGHT? WHY WOULDN'T WE USE THAT IN PLACES WHERE WE CAN TO KEEP THE BUDGET AS SOMETHING THAT'S MORE MANAGEABLE, EVEN IF IT'S JUST TO INSTILL CONFIDENCE IN OUR CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY THINK THAT WE'RE BEING VERY RESPONSIBLE WITH THE NUMBERS. 
          RIGHT? KATHY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT USING SURPLUS? MM-HMM . 
          DOESN'T THAT STILL FLOW BACK THROUGH THE BUDGET ANYWAY? SO IT'S IT'S JUST LIKE, IT'S JUST ANOTHER RESERVE ESSENTIALLY THAT WE'RE PULLING FROM. 
          SO IT STILL HITS THE, THE BUDGET THE SAME WAY. 
          DOES IT HIT THE SAME? IT'S FY 25 VERSUS FY 26, RIGHT? I'M TALKING ABOUT USING THE FY 25 RESERVE RESERVE ONLY IF IT SPEND 25 THEN IT BECOMES SURPLUS AFTER THAT AND THEN IT'S JUST NEW, NEW BUDGET. 
          IF WE CORRECT, IF WE, IF WE WERE TO CONTRACT FOR ANOTHER PROJECT, SAY WE WENT OUT AND WERE ABLE TO CONTRACT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, THOSE FUNDS WOULD BE COMMITTED, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE CARRIED OVER AND WOULD STILL INCREASE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET BECAUSE WE'RE CLOSE TO THE END OF THE YEAR AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF BEING ABLE TO COMPLETE A PROJECT AND PAY IT OUT AND BE DONE WITH IT IS, IS PROBABLY PRETTY SLIM. 
          I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT, WHAT WE DO. 
          I LIKED YOUR IDEA, KATHY, BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE SPENT. 
          THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE. 
          MAYBE THERE'S THINGS WE COULD ACCELERATE INTO 
          [04:45:01]
25, WE COULD ACCELERATE THINGS LIKE VEHICLE PURCHASES, RIGHT? THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND SEE WHAT KIND OF POTENTIAL SURPLUS WE HAVE AND WHAT WE COULD LIKE, ORDER AHEAD AND, AND DO THOSE THINGS AND, AND IF IT WOULD BE YOUR DIRECTION FOR US TO DO THAT WE CAN GO BACK AND SEE WHAT WE CAN PUSH THROUGH QUICKER. 
          BUT I, I THINK A LOT OF THOSE THINGS, EVEN EVEN VEHICLES, I QUESTION IF IT, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THEM IN TIME. 
          SO THE LIKELIHOOD IS WE'RE STILL NOT GONNA HAVE PAID THEM UNTIL 26. 
          THERE MAY BE OTHER THINGS AND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. 
          UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY, AS CLOSE AS WE ARE TO THE END OF THE YEAR, MOST OF THE LARGER THINGS WE WOULD WANT TO PURCHASE OR COMMIT TO RIGHT NOW ARE GONNA END UP CARRYING OVER, EVEN THOUGH IT'S FISCAL YEAR 25 MONEY, IT, IT STILL INCREASES THE 26. 
          SO WE COULD DO A QUICK LOOK AT THIS AFTER WE GENERATE OUR PRELIMINARY LIST OF CIP PROJECTS AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO. 
          BUT, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK ON THAT TOO WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND MAYBE AS A NEW PRACTICE IN FUTURE YEARS, YOU KNOW, IN JANUARY WITH A PROJECTED SURPLUS, WE OUGHT TO BE SEEING WHAT WE COULD GO AHEAD AND JAM IN BEFORE THE YEAR IS OUT. 
          'CAUSE IT'S REALLY TOO LATE RIGHT NOW IS THE MORAL OF THE STORY. 
          AND I LIKE YOUR IDEA NONETHELESS TO PS PR . 
          THIS IS, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT COULD DO PROJECT. 
          IT'S NOT A CRITICAL PROJECT. 
          IT'S A NICE TO HAVE PROJECT AND IT'S HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          SO I'M GONNA SAY IT COULD WAIT, CAN I SPEAK? THE ONLY REASON WHY THIS TO ME IS MORE URGENT THAN IT LOOKS, IS BECAUSE OF THE RISING COSTS OF HEATING AND COOLING. 
          AND, UM, IF OUR CURRENT WINDOWS AND DOORS ARE NOT AS GOOD AS THEY SHOULD BE, WE'RE GONNA BE PAYING PERHAPS MORE THAN HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WOULD BE PAYING IF WE WERE TO REPLACE THEM WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE EFFICIENT AND, AND THEREFORE WAS REDUCING OUR OVERALL SPEND IN CITY HALL OR FOR, FOR ENERGY. 
          AND I HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE GUYS OVER THERE LIKE SANDY AND KURT TO SAY, IF I'M LYING, THE PRIORITIES SHOULD BE HIGHER. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          I MEAN, IF WE'RE REALLY COMMITTED TO SUSTAINABILITY, TO ME THAT IS A COMMITMENT. 
          WELL, LET'S HEAR, HEAR FROM BRYCE? OH, JUST HAPPENED TO BE HERE. 
          BRYCE. 
          LETS PUT ONE SILENT. 
          . 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UM, FOR THE WINDOWS AND DOORS REPLACEMENTS, UH, WINDOWS AND DOORS ARE KIND OF TRADITIONALLY YOUR NOT GREAT ROIS FOR ENERGY SAVINGS AND THE LIKE. 
          UH, SO GETTING WINDOWS AND DOORS REPLACEMENTS WOULD HELP WITH THE ENERGY EFFICIENCIES OF THOSE BUILDINGS. 
          BUT COVERING THE COST OF, UH, 500,000 OR, UH, IN TOTAL FOR THE 1.6 OR SO MILLION FOR THAT RESPECTIVE PROJECTS, IT'S NOT GONNA, UH, CATCH UP AND MAKE, UH, AN ROI CASE BASIS ON THAT RESPECTIVE PROJECT. 
          UH, IN TERMS OF THE ASSET, UH, OF THE FACILITY ITSELF. 
          UH, THEN YOU'RE IMPROVING THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THE ASSET AND IMPROVING, UH, ON THE VALUE OF THAT ASSET GOING FORWARD. 
          AND THEN THERE'S SOME SECURITY CONCERNS WITH THE, THE LIGHT, THE, WITH THE, UH, WINDOWS AND DOORS IN THE CURRENT STATE AS, AS A WHOLE AT THE MOMENT. 
          UM, BUT IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT DOING IT NOW WOULD BE ABLE TO RECOUP, UH, THOSE, UH, COST EXPENDITURES AND UTILITIES THAT WOULD BE INCREASING IN THE FUTURE, UH, IT MOST LIKELY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CATCH UP, UH, TO THOSE INCREASES THAT WE WOULD SEE. 
          UH, DEREK, I, TO ME THIS ISN'T ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY. 
          IT'S ABOUT WE GOTTA TAKE CARE OF OUR FACILITIES AND THE PLAN IS TO DO THIS A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME. 
          AND WE HAD A PRESENT THIS, WE HAD A PRESENTATION ABOUT THIS, WHAT, ONE MEETING AGO, TWO MEETINGS AGO. 
          AND THEY SHOWED US A BUNCH OF STUFF THAT WAS FALLING APART, FRANKLY. 
          YEAH, BUT THAT'S FOR THIS YEAR. 
          WAS THAT THIS YEAR? YEAH, THAT WAS THIS A CONTRACT THAT WE APPROVED FOR WORK THIS YEAR? STILL THESE ARE DIFFERENT ONES AND THESE ARE STILL THE SAME KIND OF CONDITIONS, BUT THIS IS THE NEXT STEP OF RIGHT. 
          KEEPING CITY HALL VERTICAL. 
          UH, SO, AND WE'LL SEE THAT NEXT CONTRACT WHEN IT COMES UP AND WE'LL GET THAT SAME DATA. 
          BUT I AGREE WITH EXACTLY WHAT DEREK JUST SAID. 
          IT IS ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, BUT IT'S ALSO ABOUT SECURITY AND, AND FUTURE COST. 
          RIGHT? YOU DON'T DO IT THIS YEAR. 
          IT GETS WORSE. 
          AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, KURT, DO YOU KNOW, UH, CERTAIN AREAS IN THE COMPLEX? I THINK IT, YOUR OFFICE GOT FLOODED OUT OR THERE WAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO FROM A MONSOON? WELL, 
          [04:50:01]
I THINK WHAT YOU MIGHT BE RE REFERRING TO IS A FEW OFFICES HAD, UM, INFILTRATION FROM, UH, BASICALLY THE ROOF DENTING. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT COLLECTS RAINWATER. 
          SO IT DIDN'T COME THROUGH THE WINDOWS AND DOORS. 
          NO, IT'S COMING THROUGH THE DOORS AS WELL. 
          . 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          I'D LIKE TO ADD TO, THERE'S A SAFETY COMPONENT. 
          WHAT WE'RE STARTING THIS YEAR IS ACTUALLY SOME DOORS THAT ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO OPEN OR DON'T OPEN AT ALL, CAN'T OPEN AT ALL. 
          SO IT'S PART OF OUR EGRESS EMERGENCY. 
          SO THERE'S NOT JUST SUSTAINABILITY, THERE'S A SAFETY COMPONENT. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE WE IN SUPPORT? OKAY. 
          SIX ONE. 
          THE VICE MAYOR BEING DISSENTING VOTE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          WESTERN GATEWAY IMPROVEMENTS. 
          NOTHING THERE. 
          CONCESSION STAND, RESTROOMS, RENOVATION. 
          SO HOW, HOW MANY YEARS HAVE WE BEEN PUTTING THIS OFF? UH, ANDY? QUITE A FEW. 
          EIGHT AT LEAST, PROBABLY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IF WE WANT PEOPLE TO CONTINUE TO USE OUR PARK, THEY NEED A NICE, A CONCESSION STAND. 
          AND IT'S, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY GOES NEXT TIME IT'S $350,000, BUT THIS TIME 30,000, THAT'S FOR THE DESIGN. 
          THAT'S THE DESIGN, THE DESIGN NEXT. 
          SO WE'RE PLANNING ON REMODELING IT THIS YEAR AND THEN CONSTRUCTION THE FOLLOWING YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW WE DID A COUPLE LITTLE ADDITIONS IMPROVEMENTS WHILE WE WERE DOING THE PICKLEBALL COURT, BUT THAT WAS JUST A BIAS TIME TO GET HERE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO WE HAVE A THUMB UP? THUMB DOWN FOR THE WE UNANIMOUS JOE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, RANGER STATION, UH, RESTORATION HOUSE IN BARN. 
          SO ON THIS ONE WE HAD A MILLION DOLLARS BUDGETED FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, BUT THE ARCHITECT THAT WE FOUND THAT HAS HISTORY WITH HISTORIC, SORRY, MAYOR, UH, MAY I SPEAK TO THIS? AND, UM, THE ARCHITECT HAS MOVED QUITE SLOW. 
          WE'RE AT 90% PLANS. 
          THEY'RE CURRENTLY, WE'RE WAITING FOR PERMITS, BUT I'M, WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY CARRYING IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. 
          AND SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SPEND THAT 1.5 THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND THIS, UM, 1 MILLION WILL GO TOWARDS THE BARN RENOVATION NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND WHAT WE'LL PROBABLY DO IS ASK FOR MONEY THE FOLLOWING YEAR. 
          FY 27 FOR THE HOUSE. 
          MELISSA, SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS REALLY MORE OF A CARRYOVER. 
          WE ALREADY ALLOCATED THE FUNDS IN LAST BUDGET AND WE'RE MOVING THAT BUDGET TO THE, THE COMING BUDGET. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND STERLING AND BARBARA PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT YET. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN ON THIS. 
          ARE WE READY? OKAY. 
          MELISSA, I DIDN'T SEE WHAT YOU WERE DOING. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WE ARE UNANIMOUS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, RANGER STATION. 
          WE DID THAT RANGER STATION, UH, SHADE STRUCTURE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE, IT'S JUST THE SHADE STRUCTURE, NOT, SO THIS IS PERGOLA AND SHADE STRUCTURE FOR THE PLAYGROUND, RIGHT? WE NEED TO FINISH NOT THE BATHROOMS AT RANGER STATION. 
          PARK. 
          NO, WE NEED TO FINISH THIS PROJECT UP. 
          UNANIMOUS, UH, SUNSET PARK IMPROVEMENTS SHOULD DO. 
          SO THIS IS ASPHALT IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS AROUND THE SPLASH PAD AND, UM, AROUND THE TURF, AROUND THE SPLASH PAD. 
          SO STRIPING TO IMPROVE THE PARKING REPLACE AND FURTHER IS, IS THIS NOT, SO THE SIDEWALK ISN'T IN GREAT SHAPE AS YOU ENTER THE PARK FROM SUNSET EITHER? IS IT PART OF THAT AS WELL? YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT? GO AHEAD. 
          I'M NOT SURE ON YES, JOSH, THIS, THIS WOULD INCLUDE PART OF THAT. 
          SO IT IS, UM, IT IS THE ENTRYWAY INTO SUNSET PARK. 
          IT WOULD BE REVITALIZING THAT ENTRYWAY A LITTLE BIT WITH SOME TURF REDOING THE SIDEWALK STRIPING IN THE PARKING LOT AREA. 
          AND THEN AROUND THE SPLASH PAD CURRENTLY IS PRETTY LIKE BEAT UP, MUDDY SWAMPY AREA. 
          IT WOULD BE MAKING ASTROTURF IN THAT SPOT AROUND THE SPLASH PAD THERE TOO. 
          TAKING CARE OF THE AREA THERE A LITTLE BIT. 
          IS IT UNSAFE? IT'S NOT UNSAFE NECESSARILY. 
          IT JUST, IT BECOMES A MUD PIT IMMEDIATELY. 
          AND SO IT'S UNKEMPT OR THE WORD LIKE THAT. 
          WE GET RAIN HERE SO OFTEN. 
          SO JUST IT GETS THE SPLASH PAD WATER MOSTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM WITH THAT. 
          SOME SUPPORT IMPROVEMENTS. 
          YES. 
          NO, NO. 
          I KNOW WHERE I AM HERE. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM. 
          SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          SO WHAT IS THE POINT? OKAY. 
          WHAT IS THE POINT OF THESE PRIORITIES IF WE APPROVE ALL THE IMPORTANT ONES AND WE DON'T APPROVE THE ESSENTIAL ONES? . 
          RIGHT. 
          I'M CONFUSED. 
          WELL, AGAIN, MY BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE ALREADY IN THE BASE BUDGET THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US. 
          SO I'M, IT'S NEW NUMBERS THAT I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THAN BECAUSE 
          [04:55:01]
WELL, THE NEW NUMBERS HAVE TO BE OFFSET BY THE NUMBERS THAT ARE IN THERE. 
          YOU WANT YES, CORRECT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BECAUSE WE, WE SAID, I JUST WANNA MAKE A STATEMENT. 
          WE SAY THAT THE BUDGET IS LOWER THIS YEAR, THE NEXT YEAR, BUT IT REALLY ISN'T, IF WE PUT ALL THESE DECISION PACKAGES IN, IT'S GONNA BE HIGHER. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT BEYOND HOW MANY, THERE'S A LOT. 
          COUNCILOR PLU. 
          UM, NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IS LOWER THAN THE CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET BY ROUGHLY I THINK $3 MILLION AS IS, I THINK. 
          UM, SO DEPENDING ON, EXCEPT WE JUST ADDED 2 MILLION MM-HMM . 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          SO, SO WE'RE AT A NET OF 1 MILLION . 
          WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE DECISION PACKAGES YET. 
          AND THE TOTAL OF THE DECISION PACKAGES THAT I PUT A YES TO IS ROUGHLY 1.6 MILLION, I THINK IS WHAT THOSE CALCULATED OUT TO. 
          SO . 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHERE ARE WE WITH THE SUNSET PARK IMPROVEMENTS? UM, YES. 
          BACK EXIT. 
          OKAY. 
          CREEKSIDE PRESERVE PATH. 
          WHAT IS THAT? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT ONE PLEASE? DO YOU GUYS WANT ME TO GIMME THAT ONE? THIS IS LOOKING AT THE VERY FIRST EFFORT ON THIS PROPERTY, WHICH WILL BE A STUDY TO SEE. 
          I'M TRYING TO GET MY PLACE HERE. 
          YES. 
          SO LOOKING AT WHAT, WHAT WE MIGHT POTENTIALLY DO WITH THE PROPERTY AS A, THIS IS THE, THE VERY WELL THE, THE PROPERTY THAT WE PURCHASED THIS YEAR ALONG 1 79, THE ADOT PARCEL. 
          SO WHETHER OR NOT THAT TURNS OUT TO BE A CREEK PARK OF SOME KIND OR WHATEVER THE CASE. 
          BUT THIS WOULD BE A STUDY LOOKING AT WHAT OUR POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES ARE FOR THAT. 
          AND WE HAVE HEARD FROM SEVERAL BUSINESSES IN THE AREA THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY PLANNING CONCEPTS AROUND HOW THIS WOULD BE UTILIZED AND THE IMPACT TO THEM AND THEIR PARKING AND HOW WE WOULD PLAN TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          UM, AND SO THAT WOULD ALSO BE PART OF THIS IS TO WORK WITH, UM, THE PROPERTIES WITH JASON AND HOW THIS FUTURE VISION MIGHT PLAY OUT. 
          WE JUST ACQUIRED THIS. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY URGENCY TO THIS. 
          THIS IS ONE I'M COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE KICKING DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND WE JUST GOT THIS, WE'VE GOT SO MUCH ON OUR PLATE WITH CULTURAL PARK AND ALL. 
          I DON'T, YEAH. 
          UH, UM, I FEEL THE SAME. 
          DEREK DID YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP? UH, IS THIS BUILDING UP TO THE UH, CREEK WALK? YES. 
          THIS PIECE. 
          'CAUSE I'D KILL THE WHOLE CREEK WALK. 
          RESIDENTS DON'T WANT IT. 
          THE NEIGHBORS DON'T WANT IT. 
          I MEAN, I'M AN EASY THUMBS DOWN ON THIS ONE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          RIGHT. 
          I'M NOT SUPPORTING IT NOW. 
          UH, LIKE I SAID, WE JUST BOUGHT THE, I AGREE WITH KATHY. 
          WE JUST BOUGHT THE LAND. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GONNA GO AWAY. 
          WE COULD WAIT A YEAR. 
          IT'S A WAY TO CUT BACK A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO START. 
          SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I JUST WANT TO ADD, A BIG PART OF THIS IS TO DO A SURVEY SO WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THE ORDINARY HIGH WATERMARK IS. 
          THAT'S ESSENTIAL TO WORK WITHIN THE FLOODWAY. 
          SO WE KNOW WHAT THE REGULATORY PERMIT REQUIREMENTS THROUGH EPA A A DQ ARE. 
          AND THAT WAY WITH THAT WE'LL KNOW A LOT MORE WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO AND, AND ASSOCIATED COSTS TO DEVELOP. 
          WE CAN WAIT, WE CAN WAIT A YEAR. 
          SORRY KURT. 
          OH, IT'S ALRIGHT. 
          LET YOU KNOW. 
          AND ARE WE SAYING WE'RE WE WANTED TO SEE THIS FEATURED OUT? YEAH. 
          PUSHED OFF OR NOT? YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SUNSET PARK PLAYGROUND. 
          SO I'LL START WITH THIS AND JOSH CAN, UM, CHIME IN. 
          SO THE PLAYGROUND THAT'S FOR FIVE AND OLDER IS, UM, NEEDED REPAIR REPEATEDLY YEAR AFTER YEAR. 
          AND SO, UM, THE SURFACE CANOPY AND FOOTINGS ARE GOOD, BUT THIS'LL MAKE IT A DA ACCESSIBLE. 
          AND ALSO, UM, WE HAVE AUTISM C CERTIFIED. 
          AND SO IT'LL MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND BRING IT UP TO THIS IS THE ACTUAL IMPROVEMENTS, NOT A STUDY TO DO THE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          REPLACE BROKEN TALK ABOUT WORN OUT SAFETY FOR KIDS AND A DA YEAH, I COULD DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PAGES HERE, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF TO GO DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MULTI-USE FIELD LIGHTING. 
          SO THIS IS DARK SKY COMPLIANT LIGHTING ON THE ONLY FIELD THAT DOESN'T HAVE LIGHTS. 
          AND THIS IS USED FOR AS, UM, A YSO, THE SOCCER FOR KIDS FLAG FOOTBALL AND OTHER SPORTS YES. 
          WILL GIVE MORE ACCESS TO OUR RESIDENTS AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          SINCE WE, UM, BUILT A PICKLEBALL COURT ON ONE, THE ONE THAT HAD LIGHTS. 
          SO A LOT OF ACTIVITY HAS MOVED TO THE MULTI-USE FIELD. 
          SO THERE'S A NEED FOR LIGHTING. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. 
          IS THIS WHAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING EMAILS ABOUT THIS? YES. 
          . 
          SO, 
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AND THIS IS ADDRESSING, RIGHT, YOU SAID WE'RE GETTING EMAILS. 
          THIS WOULD BE ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS IMPROVEMENT TO POSSE GROUND PARK. 
          150,000. 
          SO THIS IS, UM, REMODEL OF THREE REMODELS, ALSO 80 DA ACCESS TO THE SOFTBALL FIELD. 
          AGAIN, BECAUSE WE REMOVED ONE SOFTBALL FIELD THAT HAD A-D-A-A-D-A ACCESS. 
          WE NEED TO MAKE THE OTHER SOFTBALL FIELD, UM, ACCESSIBLE OF COURSE. 
          AND THEN IT ALSO INCLUDES, UM, SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BAN STADIUM SEATING. 
          I'LL STOP THERE. 
          THE SEATING TWO FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE PLAN ON DOING WE GOOD STADIUM SEATING FOR THAT. 
          BRIAN, ONE QUESTION, IS THIS THE ONE WHERE IT SAYS LIKE ADDING STADIUM SEATING AT THE AMPHITHEATER THOUGH? YEAH, THE AMPHITHEATER? NO, THE BARBARA'S PARK. 
          BARBARA'S PARK. 
          BARBARA'S PARK. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          AND IT'S STADIUM SEATING SOUNDS LIKE A LOT BIGGER THAN IT IS. 
          IT'S WHERE THE, SO THERE'S THE GRASS AREA IN THE PAVILION AND THEN IT GOES UP TO THAT LAND UN LANDSCAPED AREA. 
          IT WOULD BE ADDING A FEW MORE ROWS OF THOSE GIAN BASKET SEEDINGS IN THAT LANDSCAPED AREA ABOVE THE GRASS FOR ADDITIONAL SEATING THERE. 
          ABIAN SEATING. 
          BUT IT'S NOT REALLY FOLD OUT UP, CORRECT? YES. 
          NO, IT WOULD BE GIAN SEATING LIKE IS CURRENTLY IN THE BACK SECTION OF THE PAVILION, BUT A COUPLE MORE ROWS OF THAT IN THAT SLANTED AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S LIKE IN KIND IMPROVEMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE WE UNANIMOUS OR MM-HMM. 
          HOLLY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THAT TAKES US TO POLICE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. 
          UH OKAY. 
          FOR THE RADIO INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE BODY-WORN CAMERA THAT CAN WE DO THOSE TOGETHER? AND UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, CAN WE JUST, ARE WE UNANIMOUS ON THOSE? YES. 
          YES. 
          WELL, I, BUT ALSO IT'S IMPERATIVE POLICE STATION REMODELED PHASE TWO. 
          UH, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF WHEN IT WAS DONE LAST, THEY WERE TOLD 10 YEARS OUT. 
          SO, UH, THAT IT, THE BUILDING AS IT IS OR THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS IT WAS DONE SUPPOSED TO LAST 10 YEARS, I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT, WHAT THIS PHASE TWO REALLY REPRESENTS, BUT I CHIEF YOU WANT TO COME AND DISCUSS IT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. 
          SO, UH, THIS IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DEPARTMENT THAT WASN'T TOUCHED WITH THE REMODEL. 
          THAT IS THE DISPATCH CENTER, WHICH, UM, NOT BECAUSE OF DOORS AND WINDOWS, BUT IS FLOODED BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THAT LANDSCAPING IS BETWEEN MY BUILDING AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S BUILDING THAT, UM, ARE, ARE, UH, LINES THAT ARE, UM, VERY IMPERATIVE TO OUR RADIO COMMUNICATION GO. 
          UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE UNDERGROUND AND WET MOST OFTEN AND WE HAVE TO BRING IN PUBLIC WORKS TO, UM, PUMP IT OUT AND DO OTHER THINGS. 
          SO THERE'S PART OF OUR DEPARTMENT, I'LL SAY A THIRD OF IT, TWO THIRDS HAS BEEN REMODELED, A THIRD OF IT REMAINING TO THE RECORDS. 
          AN ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE HAS NOT BEEN TOUCHED AND IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF REPAIR WHEN, UM, I MEAN SOME OF THIS WAS BEFORE ME. 
          I MEAN OBVIOUSLY I'VE WORKED AT THE DEPARTMENT FOR 20 YEARS, SO I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT AGREEMENT FOR 10 YEARS. 
          UM, WHAT I'M AWARE OF IS WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE. 
          AND, UH, WE NEED A REMODEL ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          SO THAT FIRST AMOUNT IS TO, UM, HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN AND TELL US WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WE NEED. 
          AND THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR IT WOULD BE TO BEGIN WORK. 
          SO THERE WAS, I THINK ANDY, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          THERE WAS A STUDY THAT WAS DONE A WHILE AGO. 
          SO WE WERE AWARE OF SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WHEN IT CAME UP, WE ONLY DID THE TWO THIRDS, WHICH WAS MORE OF THE SWORN SIDE AND OUR LOCKER ROOMS AND, AND THOSE AREAS, THIS WOULD ADDRESS THE OTHER SIDE THAT DURING THAT OTHER STUDY WE WERE AWARE OF. 
          THAT WAS A CONCERN, BUT, WELL, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          SO JUST TO GIVE YOU MY 2 CENTS, THE FORMER CITY MANAGER WAS VERY CLEAR TO ME WHEN SHE LEFT. 
          SHE AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT IT WOULD, IF IT CAME UP THAT IT WAS AGREED WITH THE FORMER CHIEF, BUT I THINK YOU WERE THE DEPUTY CHIEF AT THE TIME THAT, THAT, UH, RENO LAST RENOVATION WOULD LAST 10 YEARS, WHATEVER THAT WAS, SHE DIDN'T, UH, ELABORATE. 
          BUT THAT WAS THE AGREEMENT AT THE TIME. 
          AND WAS IT IN WRITING? PROBABLY NOT. 
          CITY MANAGER. 
          ANDY. 
          I, I, I THINK I COULD CLARIFY MAYBE A LITTLE BIT. 
          I THINK WHAT, UH, THE CITY MANAGER WAS REFERRING TO AT THE TIME WAS SHE WASN'T IN SUPPORT OF FURTHER EXPANSION. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          I THINK NO, AND AND YOU'RE RIGHT BECAUSE THE AREA THAT'S BETWEEN THE CITY MAN OR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND OURS, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING, TAKING OVER AND CLOSING IN THAT STRUCTURE OF WHERE THAT DRAINAGE IS. 
          AND THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE WAS IN SUPPORT OF AT THE TIME BECAUSE WE ALSO CONSIDERED, UM, USING MORE OF KURT'S SPACE AND POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT A RELOCATION FOR THAT. 
          BUT THEN WE HAD THE AWA BUILDING THAT WE WERE ABLE TO UTILIZE AND THOSE 
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THINGS ARE CHANGING. 
          SO I, UM, JUST THE CORRECTION, I WASN'T THE DEPUTY CITY OR THE DEPUTY CHIEF AT THAT TIME EITHER, SO I WAS NOT IN ON THOSE CONVERSATIONS UNFORTUNATELY. 
          SO I WON'T HAVE THAT. 
          I AM AWARE OF THE STUDIES AND, AND OTHER CONCERNS THAT GO ON FOR OTHER AREAS OF OUR DEPARTMENT THAT NEED THE REMODEL. 
          BUT WE DID CONSIDER THE, UM, EXPANSION AND TAKING OVER SPACE INTO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AREA AND THEN CLOSING THAT OPENING THAT'S BETWEEN OUR BUILDINGS. 
          SO THAT'S NOT THIS NO, IT'S, THIS IS JUST EXACTLY WHAT WATERPROOFING, IT'S UTILIZING THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE AND REMODELING IT. 
          SAME FOOTPRINT SO THAT WE HAVE SAME FOOTPRINT. 
          IT MIGHT INCLUDE THAT BACK PATIO AREA THAT'S BETWEEN MY OFFICE, MY EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT, AND THE SUPPORT SERVICES MANAGER THAT'S UN UNDERUTILIZED THAT WE COULD EXPAND OUT AND THEN PUSH OUR HALLWAYS SO THAT WE HAVE MORE OFFICE SPACE FOR, FOR, UH, BETTER USE. 
          OKAY. 
          BRIAN. 
          BUT DON'T GO ANYWHERE CHIEF. 
          SO CHIEF, IS THIS RE-IMAGINING THAT SPACE OR JUST UPDATING IT? A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH, I THINK IS WHAT THAT STUDY WILL COME BACK BECAUSE I THINK THE SPACE IS UNDERUTILIZED WITH THE WAY THE HOLLOWAYS WERE DEVELOPED AND HOW THE OFFICES AND ANGLES ARE THAT I DON'T THINK, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S MAXIMIZING THE SPACE THAT WE COULD WITH, WITH OTHER OFFICES AND, AND ALLOWING THE GROWTH. 
          ALSO, OUR DISPATCH CENTER THAT HAS TWO WORKSTATIONS IS UNDERUTILIZED FOR ALSO THAT SPACE. 
          THAT'S THE RESTROOM THAT THEY HAVE TO USE. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE 24 7 AND CAN'T WALK FREELY AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, THEIR HEADSET. 
          SO IT'S GIVING THE KITCHEN AND THE RESTROOM AND THAT UPDATE TO THEM FOR HAVING A 24 7 SPACE. 
          SO IT WAS, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT LIKE 2000 SQUARE FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? LIKE HOW ROUGHLY. 
          OH MAN, THAT IS NOT MY STRENGTH. 
          I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE TWO, $200,000 JUST TO REMA DO A LITTLE REIMAGINING SEEMS REALLY STEEP. 
          THAT'S A STUDY FOR SOMEBODY TO COME IN AS AN ARCHITECT TO TELL US WHAT NEEDS TO UM, HAPPEN IN THERE. 
          ISN'T THAT WHAT WE DID THAT FOR? YEAH. 
          SO THAT TWO HUNDREDS FOR SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND HELP US REIMAGINE IT AND GO AND UPDATE IT FROM WHAT WAS DONE, I THINK IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO WHEN WE LAST HAD THAT, THE LAST ONE, NOT PICKING ON YOU OR PD, THAT, THAT'S JUST A CRAZY NUMBER IN MY MIND FOR A COUPLE OF THOUSAND SQUARE FEET TO REIMAGINE. 
          LIKE THERE'S GOTTA BE A BETTER, MORE COST EFFECTIVE WAY, UH, TO, TO, TO REIMAGINE THAT SPACE. 
          AND I KEEP HEARING THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND I THINK HE SHOULD PAY FOR IT. 
          WHATEVER WE WIND UP DOING. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE WE DOING A VOTE? SO THE THE OTHER THING IS, I GUESS THE COUNCIL SHOULD, SHOULD ALL KNOW THAT THE LP BY COUNTY IS LOOKING TO, UH, CHANGE A DISPATCH CENTER OR CREATE THEIR OWN DISPATCH CENTER. 
          WHETHER I SUPPORT THAT OR NOT, WE MAY MOVE DISPATCH OUT. 
          THAT'S THE HOPE FROM THE ALBA COUNTY. 
          NOT THE HOPE FOR ME, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE HAVING SOME KIND OF DECISION ON THAT BEFORE WE INVEST MONEY INTO THE DISPATCH CENTER. 
          WELL I THINK THE, THE BIGGEST THING IS THAT WE'RE A PSAPS, WE'RE A PRIMARY. 
          SO THAT MEANS WE GET THE 9 1 1 CALLS THAT COME INTO THIS AREA. 
          SO, UH, WE TOOK THAT OVER WHEN SEDONA FIRE MOVED OVER INTO THE COTTONWOOD REGIONAL CENTER AND WHAT YAVAPAI WAS PROPOSING WASN'T NECESSARILY A REGIONAL CENTER ON THIS SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN. 
          THEY WERE REALLY GOING MORE TOWARDS THE OTHER. 
          AND WHAT THE STUDY REVEALED IS THEY'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN AND DOING THAT AS A REGIONAL CENTER. 
          AND YET THE SHERIFF IS LOOKING AT ELSEWHERE . 
          SO I, I AGREE WITH YOU AND I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF I SUPPORT THAT. 
          I DON'T WANNA EVER GIVE UP A, A PIECE OUT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH MORE CLARITY FOR DISPATCH BEFORE WE INVEST ANY KIND OF MONEY INTO IT, PETE? WELL, I THINK THE, THE MONEY THAT NEEDS TO BE INVESTED IS PARTLY OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS AN ONGOING ISSUE OF THE MOLD AND OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE, UM, WHERE MOST OF OUR WIRES ARE UNDERWATER. 
          AND THAT IS NOT IDEAL WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR DISPATCH CENTER THAT YOU PULL UP TILES AND WE DRAIN IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND PUT FANS IN THERE. 
          I GET THAT. 
          SO I MEAN, PART OF THAT IS WHAT THE REMODEL NEEDS TO ADDRESS TO KEEP THAT FUNCTIONING, NOT NECESSARILY JUST REMODELING TO IMPROVE THE SPACE. 
          I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST WATERPROOFING, THAT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING A STUDY TO EXPAND AS WELL, RIGHT? YOU SAID THE BACK PATIO POSSIBLY. 
          OR YOU'RE NOT LOOKING TO GO INTO, UH, KURT'S OFFICE. 
          WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO GO INTO A KURT'S OFFICE. 
          WE'RE HAVING SOMEBODY COME IN AND TELL US IF IT'S EVEN ADVANTAGEOUS. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          WELL, NO, I'M JUST ANSWERING THE QUESTION THAT YOU SAID THAT I SAID I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY. 
          SO THAT BACK PATIO IS NOT WHAT I'M SAYING THAT THEY WOULD SUGGEST WE DO, BUT THERE'S UNUSABLE SPACE THAT I IMAGINE WHEN THEY, 
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SOMEBODY COMES IN AND LOOKS AT IT, THEY'LL OVERALL LOOK AT OUR ENTIRE SPACE TO SEE HOW TO MAKE IT MORE FUNCTIONING WHILE LOOKING AT THE NEEDS TO UPDATE THE DRAINAGE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA SAY 'CAUSE IT'S, THAT IS NOT MY STRENGTH IS REMODELING AND KNOWING SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          SO I'LL JUST BE CLEAR ON THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY. 
          BUT THEY DO NEED TO COME IN AND, AND HELP US SEE WHAT IS BEING UTILIZED BEST. 
          JUST THE SAME WAY WE DID WITH TWO THIRDS OF THE DEPARTMENT FOR THE SWORN SIDE THAT NOW WE NEED TO DO ON THE OTHER. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO ENCLOSE THE SPACE BETWEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND HOURS AT THIS POINT. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE BIG NEED. 
          BUT WHILE THEY'RE IN THERE FIXING THE DRAINAGE, THEN YES, IT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US TO USE THAT TIME TO DO WHATEVER ELSE IS NEEDED. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I WAS GONNA ASK ANNETTE TO COMMENT ON WHY IT WAS ESSENTIAL AND NOT IMPERATIVE AND WHAT ELSE YOU'VE HEARD ON THIS CONVERSATION. 
          UM, THANK YOU COUNSELOR HERMAN? UH, WELL I SHARE A CONCERN OR I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING WITH THAT DRAINAGE ISSUE AND THE DAMAGE TO THE PHONE LINES, ET CETERA. 
          I'VE ALSO HEARD ABOUT, UM, DARE I SAY IT OUT IN PUBLIC, THAT WE HAVE HAD, UM, LIKE RATS LITERALLY CHEW THE LINES APART AND TAKE THEIR INTERNET DOWN, UM, TO THEIR SERVER. 
          SO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE LIKE REALLY FUNDAMENTAL AND NEED TO GET ADDRESSED. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL POSITIONS IN PD, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO PUT SOME BETTER OFFICE SPACE IN THERE TO ACCOMMODATE THE COUPLE OF POSITIONS THAT WILL BE COMING ON BOARD IF YOU GO WITH MY RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UM, SO I FELT LIKE THIS WAS JUSTIFIED WHEN I REVIEWED EVERYTHING. 
          AND I THINK BACK IN THE DAY WHEN THIS WAS PLANNED, THE, THE, THE PAST RENOVATION, IT WAS, IT WAS THE ASK BY THE FORMER CHIEF THAT, I MEAN, LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE HALLWAYS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT WAS A LOT. 
          AND THE FORMER CITY MANAGER HAD SAID TO ME THAT SHE THOUGHT THIS THE SPACE COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER UTILIZED, MAYBE NOT AS WIDER HALLWAYS, MAYBE DIFFERENT LAYOUT, BUT SHE WENT WITH IT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF, YOU KNOW, FOR 10 YEARS IT'S GONNA HAVE TO WORK. 
          OF COURSE SHE'S NOT HERE ANYMORE. 
          SHE DOESN'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE MORE IN DEPTH. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD SUPPORT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THAT, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          WE WANNA KEEP DISPATCHERS SAFE FROM RATS THAT WASN'T MENTIONED. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          UH, DRAINAGE ISSUES. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T JUST WATER, UH, PROTECT THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, DIG DOWN AND DO SOME WATER, WATER, UH, PROTECTION. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW IF $200,000 IS WE BEAT THIS HEAD HORSE. 
          YEAH, I KNOW. 
          CAN WE PLEASE ON THIS? OKAY, SO, UH, $200,000. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE A VOTE? YES. 
          I'M GONNA NOT SUPPORT THIS. 
          FIVE TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T SUPPORT THE COST. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THINK IT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO DO WHAT RYAN AND SCOTT WERE IN. 
          THOSE HAVE MAJORITY CONSENSUS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE FOR YOU CHIEF? NO, IT'S PUBLIC TRANSIT. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          TRANSIT MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS CENTER. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH, I'VE GOT JOHN HALL TO ADD MORE DETAILS SINCE HE'S, UM, JONATHAN. 
          HA. 
          AND I'VE BEEN, UM, PROJECT MANAGING THIS, UM, FOR SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. 
          I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER IN THE MORNING, UM, WITH AMBER. 
          UM, ANY MORE QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN ANSWER AT THIS POINT IN TIME? ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE TIRED OF TALKING WITH US? NO, PASS TO JOHN. 
          I'M NEVER TALKING WITH HIM. 
          JUST TRYING NOT TO BE AN EDUCATOR. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UH, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE TRANSIT MAINTENANCE OPERATION CENTER? CAN I JUST ASK AGAIN? WHAT'S, WHAT'S SPECIFIC PART OF THE WHOLE PROJECT? IS THIS SUPPOSED TO DO? BECAUSE YOU, WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR DESIGN, RIGHT? FROM THIS BUDGET CARRY OVER. 
          THIS IS, SO THIS IS CARRY OVER ON THE DESIGN? THIS IS ON DESIGN AND THAT IT'S WHAT, LIKE HALF GRANT FUNDED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? OR MORE THAN THAT? IT'S MORE THAN THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DO YOU KNOW THE SPLIT? IT'S ABOUT 700,000. 
          1.8 MILLION. 
          OH, I WAS, I WAS THERE'S 1.4. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          YOU GOT IT. 
          BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING IT TO BE RECORDED FOR QUALITY PURPOSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BARBARA . 
          THE OVERALL, CAN YOU ALSO SAY WHO YOU ARE? MY NAME IS JOHN HALL AND I'M THE 
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ENGINEERING SUPERVISOR. 
          PUBLIC WORKS. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          SO THE, UM, THE TOTAL DESIGN, UH, TO THE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL AND CIVIL TEAM IS 1.8 SOME MILLION DOLLARS. 
          AND WE PLAN ON SPENDING ABOUT 400,000 OF THAT THIS FISCAL. 
          AND THAT 1.44 THAT YOU SEE THERE IS FOR NEXT FISCAL. 
          AND I BELIEVE FROM MEMORY IT'S $700, 700,000 OF THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, GRANT FUNDED. 
          YEAH. 
          I CAN GIVE YOU AN, AN EXACT ESTIMATE. 
          JOHN. 
          IT'S 720,000 GRANT AND THEN THE REMAINING COMING FROM TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX. 
          718,000. 
          I'M OKAY WITH THE DESIGN. 
          HOLLY. 
          YEP. 
          I DON'T LIKE THIS PROJECT AT ALL. 
          I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH REALLY INFORMATION. 
          I DON'T KNOW A QUICKER WAY TO DO IT THOUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK UH, NEXT YEAR THE 8.9 MILLION IS GONNA HAVE A BIG CONVERSATION. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          TRANSIT RIDE EXCHANGE. 
          THERE'S NOTHING THERE. 
          THERE'S NOTHING THERE. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          AND THE BUS ACQUISITION IS ZERO THERE. 
          BUS STOP IMPROVEMENTS. 
          I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THAT. 
          I, OKAY. 
          THE Y PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S THE, THE BUILDING, THE IMPROVEMENTS TO DO EXACTLY LESS THAN A ZERO. 
          I THINK IT'S ZERO. 
          UH, 89 A UH, 1 79 PARK AND RIDE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          JOHN, I COME BACK UP. 
          IS THAT YOU? YES, IT'S, YES. 
          THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT. 
          CONVINCE ME AS TO WHY NOW? CAN THAT YEAH. 
          AND NOT LATER NORTHBOUND. 
          UH, IT'S 1,000,070. 
          I PARK AND RIDE. 
          IS THERE ANY PROPERTY TO BUY FOR THAT? NO, THAT'S OUR BOING THAT WE HAVE. 
          BOING PROPERTY NORTH JUST MEANS NORTH SIDE, NOT NORTHBOUND. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          BECAUSE IT, I HAD, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I THOUGHT. 
          THERE'S NO MORE PROPERTY FROM 17 UP NORTH. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, YES. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO IMPROVE THAT. 
          DIDN'T WE ALREADY? WE DO SOMETHING CARRY, YES, CARRY OVER. 
          THIS IS THE PROJECT PLAN. 
          THIS IS THE PROJECT. 
          WE'RE UNDER DESIGN. 
          WE WERE HOPING TO GET TO CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE OF THE LAND ACQUISITION WE HAD TO MOVE MONEY FROM IT. 
          I JUST MENTIONED THIS MORNING WE ADDED SOME MORE IMPROVEMENTS TO SATISFY PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE WE ADDING? WE'RE ADDING ABOUT 30 PARKING SPACES. 
          THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. 
          THE UNDERWAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S THE WAY, AND THIS IS TRYING TO GET MORE PEOPLE TO PARK SO IT DOESN'T OVERFLOW WITHIN AN HOUR OF OPENING AND SPRING BREAK. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S POPULAR. 
          OKAY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          I DO THINK THAT THERE, I I HAD THE SAME CONFUSION THAT THE MAYOR DID TOO EARLIER TODAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT, THAT WORDING MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          'CAUSE IT, IT REALLY IS THE PARKING RIDE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 1 79. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS A FUTURE SOUTH SIDE OF 1 79 THAT LOOKS LIKE NORTHBOUND, WHICH WE'RE ACTUALLY ON THE SOUTHBOUND SIDE ROAD. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS. 
          I CAN I SO MAYBE YOU KNOW WEST SIDE 1 79. 
          I I YOU'LL FIGURE IT OUT. 
          LET ME THROW OUT THAT. 
          THAT'S THE OFFICIAL NAME OF THE LOT ON GOOGLE AND IT TOOK ROBERT, UH, QUITE AN EFFORT TO GET THAT ONTO GOOGLE. 
          WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE IT, BUT THAT'S THE OFFICIAL NAME. 
          . 
          AND WE'RE, YEAH, WE USED TO BE CALLED BOW STRING AND WE'RE GETTING AWAY FROM THAT. 
          WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SUPPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          GOING DOWN TO, I COULD TUCK YOU INTO THAT INTERSECTION. 
          7,500 WEST 89 A, WHAT IS IT? THE LAST ONE. 
          SO THIS IS GETTING INTO THE TRANSIT HUB AND, AND WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION THIS MORNING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS OUGHT TO WAIT. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          UNTIL WE MAKE A DECISION ABOUT HOW AND WHEN WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE REST. 
          THAT, THAT I BELIEVE IS WHAT I REMEMBER. 
          THAT'S THE, THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          OR WHATEVER POTENTIAL, POTENTIAL, WHATEVER THE INTERSECTION'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE PITCH FOR WHY TO DO IT NOW VERSUS PUSH IS THAT YOU NEED TO DO THIS IN ORDER TO APPLY FOR GRANTS TO GET IT FUNDED. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT, IT WOULD HELP BY BRINGING IN THESE PARTNERS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING TO THE PROJECT. 
          IT WOULD HELP THE CITY'S CASE IN THOSE GRANT APPLICATIONS. 
          SO YEAH. 
          EXCEPT IF WE DON'T GO FORWARD, IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T GO FORWARD WITH MORE FUNDING TOWARDS THE TRANSIT MAINTENANCE CENTER NEXT YEAR, THERE'S NOTHING TO GET A GRANT FOR BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO DO THIS WORK. 
          THAT WAS MY QUESTION AROUND WHETHER OR NOT THIS HAD ANY ADVANTAGE TO JUST THE WASTE MANAGEMENT FACILITY, WASTEWATER FACILITY, WHERE I UNDERSTOOD THAT TO BE NO, THIS WOULDN'T, THEY, THIS HAS NO ADVANTAGE JUST TO WASTEWATER. 
          SO BASED ON THAT, I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS SHOULD WAIT UNTIL WE KNOW FROM THE COUNCIL WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING FORWARD. 
          'CAUSE THOSE GRANTS WILL EITHER BE THERE OR THEY WON'T PAY OPPORTUNITIES. 
          YEP. 
          SO WE 
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PUSH FORWARD. 
          SO IS THAT A JUST PUSH IT OUT ANOTHER YEAR? YES, PLEASE. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          UPTOWN PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THAT IS NOTHING. 
          WE DIDN'T PUT ANYTHING IN THERE THAT WAS LIKE BATHROOMS IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE NOW DEFERRING. 
          OKAY. 
          UPTOWN PARKING GARAGE. 
          THAT'S ALREADY IN, IN, IN THE WORKS ANYWAY. 
          UPTOWN RESIDENTIAL PARKING IMPROVEMENTS. 
          WHAT IS, WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS THIS? THAT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          THAT'S NUMBER THREE. 
          WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY DOES THIS MEAN? THIS IS PART OF OUR PROMISE TO THE UPTOWN COMMUNITY OF OUR PARKING PLAN TO DO A CFA TO STUDY ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA PROTECT THEIR RESIDENTIAL PARKING AND INCORPORATE, NOT, NOT CFA, BUT YES. 
          UPTOWN PARKING IMPROVEMENTS. 
          YES. 
          UPTOWN. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN, UH, ALRIGHT. 
          EAST FOREST ROAD IMPROVEMENTS JUST APPROVED. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT IT JUST APPROVED IT. 
          YOU JUST APPROVED THAT. 
          WHY IS THIS? THIS IS SEPARATE FROM THE GARAGE THAT GOES TO FOREST ROAD BY PINK JEEP. 
          AND ALSO THERE'S GONNA BE TWO PARKING SPOTS. 
          THANKS. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT OAK CREEK IMPERATIVE. 
          MUST DO. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS ACTUALLY IS A PROJECT THAT WE COULD PUSH OUT THAT WAS GONNA BE A POSSIBLE SIGNAL THAT WE PROMISED TO PUT IN FUTURE BUDGET. 
          SO IT'S BEEN IN HERE, IT'S PENDING THAT WARRANT ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE UNDERWAY WITH RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, A SIGNAL WHERE? EXACTLY? AT TILLOCK CROSSWALK. 
          AT THE CROSSWALK. 
          AT THE CROSSWALK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO RIGHT. 
          IF THE CROSSWALKS WARRANTED AND IN ORDER TO KEEP IT, IT NEEDED TO BE SIGNALED, THIS WOULD BE THE BUDGET FOR THAT IMPROVEMENT. 
          I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO, WE WILL VERY SOON BE ABLE TO REPORT ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S NECESSARY. 
          SO IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT PART OF A CONTINGENCY, UH, CONSIDERATION, I THINK THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. 
          AGREED. 
          I THINK WE COULD PUSH IT OUT. 
          YES. 
          ANDY, WOULD THERE BE ANY VALUE IN HAVING CONTINGENCY FOR IMPROVED BARRIERS AT THE CROSSWALK IN ORDER TO DISCOURAGE THE ZOMBIE HOARD THAT, UH, WE SAW ON, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA OVER THE EASTER WEEKEND OR WHATEVER THAT WAS? JUMPING OVER, JUMPING OVER IT, YOU KNOW, BARBED WIRE, ELECTRIC SHOCKS. 
          UH, VERY SHARP CACTI FORCE CADAVERS. 
          ACTUALLY, YOU DO MAKE A GREAT POINT. 
          UM, WE DON'T NEED THIS MUCH FUNDING, BUT WE DO NEED TO RESERVE SOME OF THAT FOR THE PERMANENT MEDIAN, UH, FENCING. 
          I'M PROBABLY NOT IN HERE. 
          WELL IT'S, THAT'S PART OF IT. 
          SO I, I WASN'T REMEMBERING WHEN I OFFERED TO MAKE THAT CONTINGENCY THAT A PORTION OF THAT WOULD BE FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE. 
          SO CAN WE REDUCE THIS NUMBER DOWN TO HALF? KURT, YOU GOT A GOOD, UH, LIKE A HUNDRED. 
          OUR FIRST ATTEMPT WAS, UM, NOT ACCEPTED BY ADOT, SO WE'RE HAVING TO COME BACK AND RE-LOOK AT THAT. 
          BUT I WOULD SAY A SAFE NUMBER, 300,000. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT WAS 300,000 BARRIERS? THE BARRIERS WITHIN THE MEDIAN THAT GO FROM THE BRIDGE ALL THE WAY UP TO RANGER ROAD? WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT WOULD BE A DDOT COMPLIANCE? WHAT DO YOU MEAN ADOT DIDN'T AGREE. 
          WE TRIED TO EMULATE, UM, IN KIND WHAT WAS DONE IN UPTOWN, BUT WHEN WE APPLIED FOR THE PERMIT, ADOT REJECTED IT BECAUSE IT WAS A LINE OF SIGHT ISSUE BASED UPON THE ORIENTATION OF THE DRIVER AND THE CONFIGURATION. 
          SO WE'RE HAVING TO RE-LOOK AT THAT. 
          SO THEY WANT A DIFFERENT DESIGN IS THE QUICK ANSWER. 
          AND WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO CAN WE AMEND THIS TO 300? YES. 
          WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT. 
          300? YES. 
          300. 
          300. 
          WE ARE UNANIMOUS. 
          CAN I ALSO ASK THOUGH, THE, THE ONGOING BEAUTIFICATION ART ISH STUFF THAT'S ELSEWHERE IN THE BUDGET? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THE WHY, UH, WHY ADAPTIVE SIGNALS? I KNOW WHAT THAT IS. 
          WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT ? WE'RE WAITING FOR FUNDING. 
          WE'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING WITH ADOT AND WE'RE GONNA PUSH THIS TO GET THIS DONE NEXT YEAR. 
          IT'S ONE OF OUR IMPERATIVE PROJECTS. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN YOU, WELL, UNANIMOUS YOU CHANGE THAT, THAT PRIORITY AND MAKE IT A HIGHER PRIORITY MORE THAN IMPERATIVE. 
          MUST DO. 
          WELL WILL DO. 
          BUT THERE IS THE THING HIGHER HIGHEST, ISN'T IT? THAT'S THE HIGHEST. 
          THAT IS THE HIGHEST. 
          THAT IS THE HIGHEST MA'AM. 
          REALLY IMPERATIVE. 
          I COULD ADD AS MUST DO. 
          THERE'S A GUN TO YOUR HEAD. 
          WHAT'S HIGHER THAN THAT? ? TO ME ESSENTIAL IS 
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HIGHER, BUT WHATEVER. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          PORTAL LANE, BREWER ROAD 1.5. 
          THAT'S THE ROUNDABOUT. 
          THAT'S THE ONE WAY, UM, ROAD EXTENSION TO BREWER THAT I'M ENGAGING WITH TO LOCK AND AND THEY, THEY WANNA CALL THAT THE DRIVEWAY AND, AND SO ON, BUT WE'RE YEAH. 
          WITHIN UH, THE SECOND REVISION, I NEED TO MEET WITH THEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S THE EXIT ROADWAY OUT AT THE OCK. 
          YEAH. 
          WE NEED A BRIDGE OVER SOLDIER'S WASH. 
          IS THIS REALISTIC IN FY 26? IS THIS A REALISTIC EXPENDITURE FOR THAT PROJECT IN FY 26? YES. 
          YES. 
          AND AND MAYBE I COULD ADD TO THAT, THAT WE, YOU MAY RECALL THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH A CERTAIN PORTION OF DESIGN ALREADY AND WE'RE ESSENTIALLY GETTING READY TO MOVE BACK INTO KIND OF FINALIZING THAT DESIGN. 
          SO WE'RE PRETTY FAR INTO THE DESIGN PROCESS ALREADY. 
          IT'S A MATTER OF GETTING THAT FINALIZED AND THEN, UH, GOING THROUGH BIDDING AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          THIS IS SO YES, MAYOR TAGGING ON. 
          TAGGING ON, UM, OKAY, SO MAYBE WE START SPENDING MONEY, BUT IS TWO THIRDS OF THIS GONNA WIND UP BEING A CARRY OVER TO THE NEXT YEAR ANYWAYS AND SO WE ONLY FUND IT AT A HALF A MILLION NOW AND A MILLION THE NEXT YEAR. 
          THAT WAS WHY, THAT'S WHY I SAID IN FY 26, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          IT JUST, LIKE MOST OF OUR PROJECTS, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES THAT NEED TO COME TOGETHER IN ORDER TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, MOVE EFFICIENTLY THROUGH THE YEAR. 
          WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT TO LOCKY, PKE REP REPRESENTATIVES CAME TO US AND WANTED TO WORK WITH US TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD. 
          WELL, OKAY, BUT THAT'S THAT'S A DIFFERENT, BUT, BUT BUT STILL WE END UP HOW MUCH OF OUR CIP BUDGET DO WE WIND UP SPENDING EVERY YEAR? 60%. 
          YEAH. 
          60%. 
          SO WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T DO ONE? WE DON'T SPEND 40%. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHY DON'T WE DO ONE THIRD NOW TWO THIRDS IN THE NEXT YEAR AND IF WE'RE ACTUALLY IN NEED OF THE FUNDS WE'RE GONNA HAVE 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T SPEND THEM ON SOMETHING ELSE. 
          YEAH, IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A, THAT TAKES A MILLION OUT OF THE BUDGET AND IT'S NOT MM-HMM . 
          IT'S A GOOD CONCEPT. 
          BUT IS THIS THE PROJECT TO DO IT ON? DOESN'T MATTER. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          DOESN'T MATTER. 
          'CAUSE THERE'LL BE A PROJECT TO DO IT ON. 
          OKAY. 
          I I WOULD SUPPORT THAT TO AT SPEND 60% WHERE WAS GOING. 
          OKAY, MOVING ON. 
          SO LET'S DO THAT. 
          DO WE HAVE SUPPORT FOR THAT ACROSS, LISTEN, IF WE REDUCE THIS NUMBER AND WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE WORK DONE, WOULD IT LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WE GET DONE? BECAUSE THE BUDGET IS ONLY, WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE BUDGET FROM ANOTHER TO BORROW PROJECT, BORROW ANOTHER PROJECT. 
          DO ALL THAT STUFF AGAIN, HAVE TO BORROW NO, NO, NOT ON THAT. 
          NOT, NOT, WE WOULD TAKE PERSON TIME SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          CAN WE LISTEN THAT PLEASE? UH, WE WOULD TAKE FUNDING FROM ANOTHER PROJECT TO COVER THE PAYMENT, BUT IT'S JUST A JOURNAL ENTRY. 
          RIGHT. 
          JUST MEANS THAT PROJECT'S DELAYED. 
          WHATEVER WE TAKE IT FROM THIS IS, IT'S JUST INTERESTING MESSAGING THAT YOU'RE, AFTER ALL THE PUSH FOR GETTING A BACK ENTRANCE OUT OF LOCKY PCE, WE'RE NOW GONNA START GETTING FANCY WITH WORDS ABOUT WHETHER IT'S IN THE BUDGET OR NOT. 
          TAKE IT OUT OF SOME OTHER I I WOULD AGREE. 
          THIS IS A PRIORITY PROJECT. 
          IT'S A PRIORITY PROJECT FOREVER. 
          LET'S LEAVE IT IN THE BUDGET THE WAY IT'S, ALRIGHT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? I'M FINE WITH REDUCING THE NUMBER 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S A REALISTIC SPEND ON THIS PROJECT. 
          I THINK I WANNA PRESERVE THIS IN THE, IN THE BUDGET AS A LINE WITH A NUMBER TO IT BECAUSE WE'RE COMMITTED TO IT. 
          I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS A REALISTIC SPEND ON IT. 
          SO CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? YEP. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE VERY NEXT PROJECT THAT YOU'RE GONNA DISCUSS. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS GOING TO DO THE NEXT, WHICH IS $5 MILLION. 
          EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO EVEN BETTER. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE AGREEMENT ON THAT. 
          CAN WE HAVE THUMBS UP, THUMB DOWN ON OKAY. 
          PORTAL LANE. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW RANGER BREWER AND WE'RE SAYING IT'S, IT'S THE FULL 1.5, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          RANGER BREWER, UH, ROUNDABOUT AND RANGER EXTENSION IMPROVEMENT. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT? WE'RE GONNA CUT THAT IN HALF OR JUST PUT THAT OFF WAS YOUR SUGGESTION KURT? UM, IT'S AT THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION. 
          UM, WE'RE APPLYING FOR A CONGRESSIONAL DIRECT, UM, UM, GRANT FOR THIS. 
          WE JUST SUBMITTED THAT ON THURSDAY. 
          SO HALF SOUNDS GOOD. 
          HALF SOUNDS GOOD. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE NEED SUPPORT, BUT THAT MEANS WE'RE PREPARED TO PULL TWO AND A HALF FROM SOMETHING ELSE IF WE ACTUALLY GET TO THAT LEVEL OF EXPENDITURE. 
          AND WE'RE, I MEAN I WAS JUST PUSHING A MILLION, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUSHING TWO AND A HALF AND SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH PUSHING TWO AND A HALF. 
          IT'S ABOUT THE TIMING, BUT YES. 
          YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH IT. 
          OKAY. 
          HOLLY CHRISTIAN, I'LL SAY THAT, UM, AT A MEETING I WAS AT LAST WEEK, SENATOR KELLY SAID ALL CONGRESSIONAL DIRECTED SPENDING IS NOT HAPPENING. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, FOR FY 25, I KNOW THIS 
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IS FOR NEXT YEAR, BUT IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY PASS CONTINUING RESOLUTIONS, CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED FUNDING IS ELIMINATED. 
          SO IT'S ONLY IF THEY ACTUALLY PASS BUDGETS. 
          SO FOR THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY MM-HMM . 
          EVEN THAT THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN AWARDED HAVE NOT RECEIVED FUNDING. 
          SO I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          I I WAS GONNA ASK, I WAS GONNA ASK WHETHER IT CHANGES THE PERCEPTION IN THE FUNDING STREAM OF USS PUSHING IT DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I THINK, HOLLY, YOU JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTION. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA TWO AND A HALF. 
          TWO AND A HALF. 
          WE HAVE SUPPORT TWO AND A HALF. 
          TWO AND A HALF, BUT WE'RE PUSHING THE OTHER TWO AND A HALF TO THE FOLLOWING YEAR. 
          WE'RE NOT JUST HOPING FOR, WE'LL DO THIS AGAIN NEXT YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW WE'RE GOING TRAFFIC COMING AND SUP WHITE BEAR TO PINION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS A SHARED USE PATH THAT'S GONNA GO FROM WHITE BEAR DOWN TO 89 A AND WRAP. 
          SO THIS IS ALREADY, UM, WE'LL FINISH THE DESIGN THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          SO THIS STARTS CONSTRUCTION AND IT WON'T BE UNTIL THE END OF FY 26. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD SEGUE INTO STARTING THE STRATEGIES PATH DISCUSSION. 
          AND I'LL START OFF BY POINTING OUT, THE REASON THIS ISN'T AEM 11 IS BECAUSE YOU'LL SEE THE, THE BEGINNING DESCRIPTION IS TRAFFIC CALMING. 
          THIS GOES BACK TO OUR STRATEGY 10, STRATEGY 10 OUT OF THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN HAD TO DO WITH, UH, TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT IN THE WEST 89 A CORRIDOR. 
          SO THIS IS THE FIRST PROJECT THAT WE WOULD PURSUE WITH THAT. 
          AND DO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU? SURE. 
          IT'S DRY CREEK ROAD ON MY DRY CREEK ROAD IS A CITY STREET? YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          WHO IS IT THAT DETERMINES THE SIGNAGE? LIKE, YOU KNOW THAT LITTLE SIGN THAT'S BY THE LIBRARY? WHO, WHO IS IT THAT PUTS THAT THERE ON DRY CREEK ROAD ITSELF? IF YOU'RE BEYOND THE A DOT RIGHT OF WAY, IT WOULD BE CITY. 
          WHICH LITTLE SIGN ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE BLADE. 
          THE ONE THAT HAS THE PEDESTRIAN. 
          OH, THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE. 
          THE ONE THAT WE JUST GOT FIXED. 
          OH. 
          PEDESTRIAN CROSSING. 
          THAT WAS OUR RIGHT OF WAY. 
          UH, FOLKS THAT PUT THAT IN AND THEY DID WARN US WHEN WE DID IT THAT IT WOULD BE GETTING RAN OVER. 
          SO NICE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT'S BETTER THE SIGN THAN A PEDESTRIAN. 
          YEAH. 
          WHICH BY THE WAY, THE, UM, THE CITIZENS CONNECT PROGRAM WORKED GREAT FOR THAT. 
          'CAUSE I CALLED THAT IN ON USING THAT PROGRAM AND IT WAS FIXED WITHIN LIKE TWO DAYS. 
          OH, NICE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET'S MOVE ON. 
          SO, UH, WHERE ARE WE WITH THE TRAFFIC COMING AND SHARED USE PATH WHITE BEAR TO PINION? UH, I THINK WE QUESTION, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE MAINTENANCE? YEAH. 
          UH, MATRIX FIRST. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          STERLING, IF YOU DON'T MIND PULLING THAT UP. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE TO ZOOM IN ON THAT? I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW LITTLE THAT WOULD LOOK UP THERE. 
          SO LET'S SEE. 
          THE CONCEPT HERE ON THE LEFT IS WHERE YOU SEE THE PROJECTS. 
          THE ORDER IS REALLY BASED ON THE INITIAL SETUP OF THIS MATRIX AND HOW THE SCORING WOULD COME OUT. 
          YOU CAN SEE ON THE FAR RIGHT THERE, THE COLORS VERTICALLY. 
          OH, PERFECT. 
          SORRY, IS HARD COPY OF THIS IN OUR BINDER. 
          WHERE, WHERE I CAN'T FIVE IS THIS. 
          I THOUGHT THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FIVE A. 
          IT'S WHAT I WAS GIVEN YESTERDAY. 
          BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN FIVE A. 
          YES. 
          I, THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS. 
          YOU CHANGED IT SINCE YESTERDAY MORNING STILL? YES, I DID. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          A COUPLE THINGS THAT I'VE ADDED. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE WAITING UP HERE. 
          THERE HAS BEEN A SUGGESTION TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THIS, THIS COLUMN, THESE COLUMNS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED WHERE, WHERE I SUBMITTED THIS, THE TOP IS IN LINE WITH THAT. 
          THE SUGGESTION TO CHANGE IS THE BOTTOM LINE HERE. 
          AND THE WEIGHTING, OR THE TOTAL SCORE ON THIS SIDE IS BASED ON THAT ORIGINAL, UH, WEIGHTING. 
          AND IF WE COULD SCROLL TO THE RIGHT, JUST SLIGHTLY TO THE RIGHT, YOU'LL SEE IF WE MAKE THE CHANGE. 
          THESE ARE THE SCORES THAT YOU WOULD GET. 
          SO THIS COLOR HERE, IF YOU, IF YOU GO TO THE RIGHT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IN LINE WITH WHAT OUR BUDGET SAYS, THIS PURPLE IS IMPERATIVE, MUST DO, RED IS ESSENTIAL, SHOULD DO IMPORTANT COULD DO AS THIS BEIGE COLOR, LOW PRIORITY WOULD BE THE HIGHLIGHT. 
          YELLOW. 
          AND DO I REALLY NEED A HARD COPY OF THIS? 'CAUSE I, IT'S, I REALLY NEED A HARD COPY OF THAT. 
          CAN WE GET THOSE? SURE. 
          UM, I, I, YEAH. 
          SHOULD WE, DO YOU WANNA TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND WE CAN GET THEM PRINTED OUT OR 
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WE CAN PRINT THEM WHILE YOU TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE? PRINT THE ONE WHILE HE TALKS ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING YEAH, IT'S, ARE YOU ABLE TO SEND TO THE PRINTER FROM YOUR I CAN PRINT TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I CAN'T. 
          SO IN TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE, COULD I ASK THEN BACK TO THIS PROJECT THAT WAS IN FRONT OF US, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THE CONTENT IS OF THIS PROJECT YET. 
          YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          UH, THIS ACTUALLY STARTED BEING IN OUR BUDGET LAST YEAR IN FY 25, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT. 
          SO, UM, ESSENTIALLY, JOHN, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN HERE IF YOU NEED TO ADD TO WHATEVER I SAY. 
          BUT THE PROJECT RUNS ALONG DRY CREEK ROAD STARTING AT WHITE BEAR THROUGH THE DRY CREEK ROAD 89, A INTERSECTION TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF 89 A AND THEN UP TO PINON DRIVE. 
          THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD EXPAND THAT SIDEWALK TO THE WIDTH OF ASHER'S PATH. 
          WE WOULD UPGRADE THE CROSSWALK ACROSS 89 A TO INCLUDE OUR GREEN, UM, STRIPING THAT WE'VE APPLIED IN OTHER AREAS. 
          AND PART OF THE CONSIDERATION IS ACTUALLY ELIMINATING ONE OF THE NORTH SOUTH CROSSWALKS. 
          AND I KNOW THIS GOES AGAINST SOMETHING THAT CERTAIN FOLKS HAVE SAID IN THE PAST, BUT THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE WANNA HAVE OUR MULTIMODAL CROSSING OCCUR IN ONE LOCATION AND MAKE THAT AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE. 
          ONE OF THE REASONS THERE IS WE'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE THE NUMBER OF CONFLICT POINTS BY HAVING TWO CROSSWALKS. 
          YOU HAVE DOUBLE THE LEFT TURN CONFLICTS ACROSS THAT. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, WE WANNA HIGHLIGHT THE ONE CROSSWALK WITH THE EXTRA WIDTH, THE EXTRA STRIPING, ALL OF THAT SORT OF THING. 
          THIS IS AN A DOT JURISDICTION, SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE EASY. 
          IT WOULD BE THE FIRST SHARED USE PATH ON 89 A CONNECTING OVER FROM DRY CREEK ROAD TO PINON DRIVE. 
          UM, ANDY, IS THIS ALSO BY DOING THIS, THIS IS HOW YOU GET THE LEFT HAND TURN INTO KACHINA, RIGHT? UH, THAT'S A DIFFERENT PART. 
          THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          THIS, OH, BUT YOU JUST REMINDED ME THAT ANOTHER PART OF THIS IS LOOKING AT THE INTERSECTION AT WHITE BEAR AND DRY CREEK IMPROVING THOSE CROSSWALKS AS WELL. 
          LIKELY HAVING ONE OF THOSE BE A RAISED CROSSWALK AND INCLUDING THE GREEN STRIPING ON THAT CROSSWALK. 
          WHICH ONE WOULD BE THE RAISED? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE KNOW THAT YET, RIGHT JOHN? WHETHER SHE'S ASKING WOULD IT BE THE CROSSWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE INTER INTERSECTION? IT WOULD PROBABLY BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED THAT YET. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THE GREEN CROSSING WOULD BE THE NORTH SOUTH CROSSING THAT'S EXISTING NOW. 
          OH, AND ON, ON NORTH SOUTH, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT CONNECT UP THAT SUP TO THE SUP THAT'S, THAT'S THERE NOW LEADING TO THE LIBRARY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SORRY, JOHN. 
          I WAS GONNA ADD ALSO, I THINK WE DISCUSSED RECENTLY THE LEFT TURN LANE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE AT WHITE BEAR AND, AND DRY CREEK RIGHT NOW. 
          TODAY WE HAVE THAT STRIPED OUT, WHICH WAS ALSO A RESULT OF THE PROJECT THAT HAPPENED IN 2018 THAT TOOK OUT THE LEFT TURN LANE AT KACHINA. 
          SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD FIX THAT SITUATION IN THIS INTERSECTION AS WELL. 
          NOW THAT SHARED USE PATH AS, AS JOHN WAS SAYING, WOULD RUN FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF WHITE BEAR ALONG DRY CREEK ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 89 A ACROSS 89 A AND DOWN TO PINON DRIVE. 
          ONE OF THE BIG DRIVING FACTORS HERE IS WE'VE HAD SEVERAL REPORTS TO THE CITY ABOUT CONCERNS WITH SAFETY. 
          THIS IS A PRIMARY CORRIDOR FOR THE CHARTER SCHOOL KIDS WALKING TO AND FROM SCHOOL AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          DID I LEAVE ANYTHING OUT YOU GUYS? OH, ACCESS TO THE LIBRARY TOO. 
          PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. 
          OH. 
          AND, AND ON TOP OF ALL OF THIS, I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THERE'S BEEN DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA AND THERE'S FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL WITH THE WATER COMPANY DOWN THE STREET. 
          AND JUST WITH ALL OF THAT IN THE MIX, WE HAVE MORE MULTIMODAL TRAFFIC HERE THAN WE USED TO HAVE, SO, OKAY. 
          WELL, BRIAN JUST LEFT. 
          SO, UM, WHY DON'T WE WE'RE, IF WE HAVE RIGHT, IF WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ANYWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, 
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DO WE HAVE ONE? THERE'S, THERE MIGHT BE DISCUSSION ALSO THERE, THERE'S ONE MORE PROJECT IN HERE THAT'S ADDED. 
          UM, I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY THIS IS MY FAULT. 
          THIS IS A BRAND NEW TOOL THAT WE HAVEN'T USED IN THE PAST AND IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME THAT SIM 10 A WOULD BE A PROJECT THAT WE NEED TO ADD IN HERE. 
          YOU KNOW, IN RETROSPECT IT SEEMS VERY CLEAR, BUT A SECOND PROJECT THAT GOT ADDED IN, UH, WELL, NO, THERE'S MORE THAN THAT. 
          EVEN. 
          I'M TRYING TO READ THIS AND HAVING A HARD TIME . 
          UM, THERE'S A DRAINAGE PROJECT SOMEWHERE IN THERE, SD 13, THAT'S A DRAINAGE PROJECT. 
          IT'S THE FIRST, UM, SEGMENT OF EAST WEST CONNECTOR, SOUTH OF 89 A CONNECTING TO PINON AND RUNNING TO, TO THE EAST. 
          OH, BUT THAT'S NOT HERE NOW, RIGHT? NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IN THAT LIST. 
          IT WAS ACTUALLY A FY 25 PROJECT. 
          EL CAMINO ROAD AREA DRAINAGE. 
          IT'S UNDER DESIGN RIGHT NOW. 
          GOT IT. 
          UM, MOST OF THE FUNDING FOR THAT WOULD COME FROM YAVAPAI COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL FUNDING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO A PRIMARY ASPECT OF THAT PROJECT IS DRAINAGE, BUT IT WOULD HAVE A SHARED USE PATH ON TOP OF IT. 
          IT'S A FAIRLY SHORT SEGMENT OF PROJECT, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT WOULD CONNECT OVER TO THE PINON DRIVE, UH, PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AS FAR AS HERE NOW, SO WE, WE HAVE, SO THIS IS 10, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          THERE'S TWO MORE PROJECTS THAT I ADDED IN HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DOWN HERE YOU'LL SEE COOK COOKS HILL 89 A AND THEN UP HERE COOKS HILL, US FOREST SERVICE. 
          THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS. 
          WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS PLEASE? UM, THESE ARE BRAND NEW PROJECTS. 
          OKAY, BUT ARE THEY ON NO, THEY'RE ON THIS. 
          THEY'RE BRAND NEW. 
          THEY'RE NOT IN HERE AT ALL. 
          NO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE BY, BY CREATING THIS MATRIX, WE'RE MAKING COPIES. 
          IT'S CAUSED US TO REALIZE THAT THOSE ARE TWO PROJECTS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN HERE AND WEREN'T. 
          SO THESE GO BACK, THERE'S A LONG HISTORY HERE. 
          THEY WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE GO PLAN, BUT ONE OF THE PROJECTS ALONG 89 A DOWN HERE, IT WAS PENDING A EFFORT BY THE DEVELOPER ON COOKS HILL. 
          I THINK YOU KNOW WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          THAT'S DEVELOPED AMANTE MARIOSA, THEIR INTENT WAS TO BUILD A PORTION OF THIS SHARED USE PATH. 
          THEY EVEN TRIED TO WORK THROUGH ADOT TO GET THAT PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD AND THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE, UH, PURSUING THIS PROJECT WOULD BE THE CITY TAKING THAT OVER AND MOVING IT FORWARD. 
          YOU CAN SEE IN THE SCORE OF THE MATRIX, THE FOREST SERVICE PROJECT HAS IT UP HERE IN THE IMPERATIVE, UH, CATEGORY. 
          IT WAS A VERY HIGH, UH, PRIORITY IN THE GO PLAN. 
          THE REASON THIS HASN'T MOVED FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS OTHER PROJECTS PRIMARILY IS BECAUSE WHEN WE APPROACHED THE FOREST SERVICE TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO WITH URBAN PATHWAYS OR SHARED USE PATH ON THE FOREST SERVICE, WE WERE TOLD, NO, YOU CANNOT DO THAT. 
          SUBSEQUENTLY, THEY'VE BACKED OFF ON THAT AND THEY'VE LEFT THE DOOR OPEN TO IT. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE HERE IN A SECOND, I'LL MOVE TO ANOTHER PAGE WHERE I CAN SHOW YOU THAT WE HAVE A PROPOSAL, UM, SHOWING HOW WE CAN MOVE THAT FORWARD. 
          DOES EVERYBODY HAVE A HARD COPY NOW? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          LIKE I WAS SAYING BEFORE, THE TOTAL SCORE ON THE LEFT IS THE ORIGINAL WAITING THAT WE HAD. 
          LOOKING ON THE RIGHT, THIS WOULD BE A CHANGE. 
          AND LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GO, UM, TO THE TAB THAT SAYS BUDGET AT THE BOTTOM DOWN THERE. 
          OH, DANG IT. 
          WE SHOULD HAVE PRINTED THAT ONE TOO. 
          OKAY, GO BACK. 
          IF YOU COULD PRINT THAT WHILE WE TALK ABOUT THE PROJECTS. 
          SO, SO RIGHT NOW WHAT WE HAVE IN PROCESS, THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED, THEY'RE ALL FY 25 AND THE ONES HIGHLIGHTED, HIGHLIGHTED ARE FY 26. 
          AGAIN, YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE FOREST SERVICE COLUMN HERE BECAUSE THAT JUST HADN'T BEEN ON OUR PROJECT LIST YET. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SAME THING WITH THESE PROJECTS DOWN HERE. 
          THEY'RE NOT IN OUR PROJECT LIST AT THE, AT THIS MOMENT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SOME OF THESE MAKE SENSE BECAUSE THERE'S A VERY LOW SCORE. 
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SO THE, THE IDEA WOULD BE FIRST, WHERE DO THESE PROJECTS FALL IN OUR WORK LIST AS FAR AS WHAT FISCAL YEAR WE'RE WORKING ON THEM IN RELATION TO THE SCORE THAT THEY HAVE. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT CONSIDERATION WILL BE, DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT IN THE WAITING AND IF WE DO THE RIGHT COLUMN WOULD BE WHAT THAT WOULD CHANGE. 
          SO THAT'S SETTING UP THE CONSIDERATION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AS FAR AS, WELL, SO THE CHANGES REQUESTED OUTSIDE FUNDING THE REQUEST IS TO TAKE THAT FROM A WEIGHT OF TWO TO A WEIGHT OF ONE, REDUCING THE WEIGHTING FOR THE COST OF THE PROJECT, REDUCING THE WAITING FOR CONSIDERATION OF IF DESIGN IS ALREADY COMPLETE, RAISING THE WAITING BASED ON, UM, HAVING A HIGH VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, VEHICLE TRAFFIC, AND ALSO RAISING BY ONE POINT, UM, THE CONSIDERATION OF IF YOU HAVE A HIGH VOL, HIGH VOLUME OF, UH, MULTIMODAL. 
          AND THEN AT THE FAR END IT LOOKS LIKE REDUCING THE WEIGHTING BASED ON, UH, IF THE PROJECT WOULD CONNECT TO TRANSIT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA BREAK AWAY FROM THE BOOK AND GO TO THIS? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST FOR THIS, THE SIM, RIGHT? WELL, THERE'S ONE THAT THIS REALLY AFFECTS US ON DANTE, RIGHT? I, BUT IF YOU KEPT IT IN THE TOP, IT MAKES ANTE THE 1, 2, 3, 4, THE FIFTH HIGHEST I MIGHT ASK. 
          I AS FAR AS WHAT OUR WORKFLOW IS, YOU'LL SEE IT DOESN'T CHANGE IT BY MUCH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND SO I WOULD ASK, NOW THAT THIS IS SEEN, DO WE REALLY NEED TO CHANGE THIS OR NOT? IT APPEARS THAT MAYBE WE DON'T, AND I AM SORRY, I'M JUST THROWING THIS AT YOU. 
          IT'S JUST, ALRIGHT, SO HOW ARE WE ON THIS? THIS IS VERY HELPFUL, MAYOR. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, ANDY, IT REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE MUCH LOOKING BETWEEN THE TWO COLUMNS, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU AND WHOMEVER ELSE PUT THIS SCORECARD, SCORECARD TOGETHER. 
          I MEAN, YOU WERE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT IT. 
          I MEAN, GIVE SEVEN OF US AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT. 
          WE'LL COME UP WITH SEVEN DIFFERENT ANSWERS, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, , LET'S, LET'S GET, LET'S GO THROUGH THE FUNDING EXERCISE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THE VALUE OF THE EXERCISE, AS ANDY POINTED OUT, WAS THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE MISSING ELEMENTS THAT ARE NOW ON THE LIST. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT WE TAKE THOSE OFF THE LIST? NO, IT'S JUST NOT CHANGED. 
          AND THEN MAYBE, AND ONCE THAT'S GOING FORWARD, ONCE WE'RE ABLE TO PRINT THAT OTHER SHEET, I THINK YOU'LL SEE IT. 
          IT JUST GIVES US BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE PROGRAM LOOKS LIKE AND HOW TO SEQUENCE WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          SO JUST TO CONFIRM, YOU'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH, UM, THE RE ANDY'S RECOMMENDATION TO ADJUST THE WAITING ON THE, TO NOT ADJUST IT? TO ADJUST IT? NO, NO, NO. 
          I'M RECOMMENDING WE KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. 
          OH, WE ALL ON BOARD WITH THAT? YEAH. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT I USED IN REVIEWING THE WHAT GOES IN THE CIP FOR 26 VERSUS OUT YEARS AS WELL, TRYING TO MAKE IT ALL LINE UP AND BE CONSISTENT. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE'RE BRINGING PROJECTS FORWARD TO AN INDIVIDUAL AGENDA BILLS, YOU KNOW, IT'S CLEAR WHY AND THE TIMING AND THAT ALL OF THAT BECOMES MUCH MORE, UM, COORDINATED, I GUESS, IN TERMS OF THE LOGIC OF WHY AND WHEN PROJECTS ARE COMING TO YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          SO SHELBY TWO HAS, IS IMPERATIVE, THE HIGHEST RANKING, BUT IT DOESN'T RANK THE HIGHEST ON THIS LIST, SHOULD WE? WHETHER WE CHANGED IT OR DIDN'T CHANGE? IT'S STILL NOT IN THE TOP. 
          NOT FAR AWAY, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE TOP. 
          AND YET IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE IN THE CIP BOOK. 
          DOESN'T IT HAVE GRANT FUNDING OR SOMETHING THAT EXPIRES? SO HERE, HERE'S AN UNFORTUNATE TIMING SITUATION. 
          WHAT YOU SEE 
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IN THE CIP RIGHT NOW DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THIS DONE YET. 
          WELL, WHAT, SO THE PROJECTS THAT I RECOMMENDED IN FY 26 DO ACCOUNT FOR THIS. 
          WHAT WAS NOT, UH, CAUGHT UP WAS THE LABELING. 
          IT STILL HAD THE OLD LABELING FROM OUR PAST CIP PROCESS, UNLESS THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          IT IT MAKES SENSE, BUT IT IS, IT'S, SO IT'S NOT THE HIGHEST PRIORITY. 
          BUT, SO IN THE BOOK, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING? THAT'S PART OF WHAT I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT NEXT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          SO THE, THE, THE HANDOUT THAT YOU JUST GOT, IF WE CAN SWITCH TO THE BUDGET TAB MM-HMM . 
          AND THEN ZOOM WEIGH IN THERE ON THAT. 
          SO YEAH, SO FY 26, WHAT WE HAVE IN THERE, THIS, THIS, UH, GROUP OF, UH, COLUMNS ON THE LEFT HERE THAT'S SHOWING WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT BUDGET. 
          I'VE HIGHLIGHTED, UM, A FEW THINGS HERE AND I'LL LOOK AT THE RIGHT SIDE HERE IN A MINUTE TO SHOW YOU WHAT, BASED ON THE MATRIX I THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW YOU CAN SEE EITHER, UM, ESSENTIAL OR IMPERATIVE FOR THE MOST PART IS WHAT WE HAVE IN FY 26. 
          THE ONLY THING MISSING I'VE NOTED DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM, THE COOKS HILL FOREST SERVICE PROJECT, THAT'S NOT IN THERE. 
          AND THAT'S THE ONLY IMPERATIVE FROM THE PREVIOUS PAGE THAT'S NOT, NOT BEING WORKED ON. 
          YEAH. 
          IN THE CIP. 
          YEAH, GOOD POINT. 
          IT IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT BEING WORKED ON, IT'S JUST NOT IN THE CIP. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN BEFORE WE LOOK AT THE RIGHT SIDE, I'LL JUST NOTE THAT ONCE YOU GO INTO FY 27, THE LOW PRIORITY PROJECTS SHOW UP THERE. 
          AND ONCE WE MOVE OVER THERE, THERE TO THE RIGHT, YOU'LL SEE I'M PROPOSING WE MOVE THOSE OUT. 
          SO LOOKING AT THE RIGHT SIDE, NOW, THERE'S COOKS HILL FOREST SERVICE ADDED IN. 
          THAT'S WHERE YOU START TO SEE THESE HIGHLIGHTS FOR BOTH SOME FUNDING AND FY 26 TO DO SOME, CONTINUE SOME LOW LEVEL EFFORT SPENDING, THAT WILL LEAD TO A DESIGN AND FY 27. 
          SO THAT'S KEEPING THAT PROJECT IN PROCESS. 
          WHAT, WHAT YOU'LL SEE WITH THE ADJUSTMENTS IS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THE IMPERATIVE AND ESSENTIAL PROJECTS AND, AND BOTH FY 26 AND 27, THERE IS NO IMPERATIVE PROJECT WITH THIS ADJUSTMENT THAT'S BEING LEFT OUT AT THAT POINT. 
          THAT'S THE INTENT. 
          OKAY. 
          IF I COULD JUST COMMENT ON ONE OF THE, THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU ASKED FOR VICE MAYOR THAT YOU NOTED SHELBY TOO. 
          SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THE SCORING OF THIS, I WASN'T, I DIDN'T THINK WE SHOULD WAIT. 
          THE EXISTENCE OF GRANT FUNDING SO HIGH, IT'S LIKE LET'S EVALUATE THE PROJECTS ON WHETHER WE THINK OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS THEM OR NOT. 
          AND THEN WE MIGHT ALONG THE WAY GET A GRANT OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMETHING THAT'S LOWER ON THE PRIORITY. 
          AND MAYBE THAT TRIPS OUR DECISION TO SPEND IT, BUT IT SHOULDN'T REALLY CHANGE THE SCORING. 
          IT'S JUST LIKE, OH, WELL WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE ONE UP AND LET'S DO IT. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I SAW ON SHELBY AS WELL, THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT FUNDING THINGS THAT ARE ON OUR HIGH ON OUR LIST, BUT SOMETIMES FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES JUST COME UP ON THEIR OWN. 
          AND, AND I ACTUALLY AGREE, ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS IS IF YOU TAKE OUR PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW, IF WE ALREADY HAVE GRANT FUNDING, YOU WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO HAVE A LOW PRIORITY . 
          EXACTLY. 
          BUT YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          MOVING FORWARD, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ALREADY HAD THAT. 
          THEREFORE THAT WOULDN'T INADVERTENTLY WEIGHT A PROJECT HIGHER THAN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. 
          YEP. 
          CAN I SPEAK TO BREWER ROAD SINCE THAT'S A HIGH PRIORITY PROJECT THAT WE GOT ADOT GRANT FOR THE DESIGN AND WE'RE APPLYING FOR A GRANT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND UM, IT'S A PROJECT. 
          IF WE DO GET THAT GRANT, WE WOULD, UM, PROBABLY HAVE A SMALL SHARE. 
          IT'S A TIA, WHICH WOULD HAVE LIKE A SEVEN AND A HALF PERCENT SHARE. 
          SO WE WOULD FIND THAT MONEY TO MOVE THAT AHEAD. 
          I GUESS THE QUESTION, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT RIDES WITH SANDY IS THAT WHY DO WE APPLY FOR GRANT ON BREWER AND NOT 
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ANOTHER PROJECT? HOW DO WE SELECT, WE WON A NATIONAL AWARD FOR THE RANGER STATE, UH, RANGER STATION PARK AND BECAUSE IT CONNECTS A PARK TO THE FOREST SERVICE TRAILHEAD, IT BUMPS US TO THE TOP ON THAT. 
          BUT TO THE COUNSELOR'S POINT, MOVING FORWARD, IT WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, THINGS WOULDN'T REALLY HAPPEN THAT WAY. 
          I THINK AS WE CONTINUE TO SCORE THESE, IF WE FIND A PROJECT IMPERATIVE BUT DOESN'T HAVE GRANT FUNDING, IT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO LOOK FOR GRANT FUNDING FOR THAT. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK WE GOTTA MOVE ON. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE GOTTA MOVE ON. 
          YEAH, WE REALLY ARE BEHIND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS EXERCISE JUST SAID IT'S BACK ANOTHER HALF HOUR. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          ITS IMPORTANT. 
          ARE WE OKAY WITH WHAT I PRESENTED? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HOW ARE WE GOING? CAN I JUST POINT OUT ONE MORE THING? IF YOU LOOK AT THE MONEY AT THE BOTTOM OF THESE COLUMNS, I, WHAT I PROPOSED IS REDUCING THE BUDGET BY ABOUT A HALF A MILLION IN, UH, FY 26. 
          I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT WANT TO KNOW THAT FROM WHERE. 
          SO WE MOVED OUT SHELBY? FROM SHELBY? YES. 
          YES, IT WAS SHELBY. 
          THEN WE PUT SOME MONEY SHELBY TWO PROJECT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN WE ADDED MONEY TO LITTLE HORSE SINCE WE'VE GOT, UM, US FOREST SERVICE AGREEMENT TO PUT THAT SHORT PIECE IN. 
          SO WE WANTED TO GET THAT DONE. 
          AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, SANDY, THE LITTLE HORSE SHARED USE PATH GOES ALONG 1 79 FROM THE METHODIST CHURCH TO CHAPEL ROAD. 
          NO, METHODIST CHURCH SOUTH TO THE LITTLE HORSE PARKING LOT ALONG THE SOCIAL TRAIL. 
          OKAY. 
          IT DOESN'T CUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          NO. 
          IT'S ALL ON FOREST SERVICE LAND. 
          AND JUST TO GIVE COUNSEL AN UPDATE, THE, UH, WITH THESE CHANGES, ANDY, THE BUDGET HAS BEEN DECREASED NOW BY 1.6 MILLION FOR CIP FOR FY 26. 
          WE'RE MAKING HEADWAY. 
          OKAY, I'M DONE. 
          ARE WE IN AGREEMENT? WELL, CAN YOU DEFINE WHAT AGREEMENT WE'RE POSSIBLY AGREEING TO? I'M JUST, I'M GETTING THERE. 
          I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANDY GOING FROM HERE TO HERE, RIGHT? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WISH CUT THE BUDGET RIGHT. 
          SO FROM 6 4 9 2 100 TO 5 9 0 2 100. 
          SO AS A GROUP, WE'RE ASKING TO APPROVE THIS GROUP OF PROJECTS WITHOUT APPROVING A SPECIFIC ONE, ONE AT A TIME, CORRECT? YES. 
          SO YOU CAN SKIP LIKE THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES, . 
          YEP. 
          AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD REALLY QUICKLY SAY IS THAT EVERYONE'S IN SUPPORT ON COUNCIL OF THE MATRIX WHERE IT'S AT. 
          EVEN THOUGH EACH YEAR IT'S GONNA BE FLUID AND WE'LL GET UPDATED AS WE GO. 
          OKAY. 
          THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN. 
          OKAY, WE'RE UNANIMOUS, JOE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ANDY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO NOW WE'RE GOING DOWN TO WHERE? SIM SIM 12 A WHAT FOR NAME? YEAH, I BELIEVE SO. 
          ALL THE SIM ELEVENS ARE DONE. 
          SO WE JUST HAVE TWO MORE SIM PROJECTS. 
          SIM 12 A AND SIM 13. 
          THERE'S NO FUNDING ZEROS. 
          SO STORM DRAIN. 
          BUT THERE'S NO DOLLARS ON THIS? NO, THERE'S NO MONEY CHANGED. 
          YEP. 
          SO WE'RE ON STORM DRAINAGE STORM DRAIN. 
          ALRIGHT, SO NOW YOU'RE GOING DOWN TO MR. K'S LIFT STATION. 
          YES. 
          THIS IS A PROJECT THAT HELPS PROTECT OUR LIFT STATION AND IT'S BEEN ERODING AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PUSHED OFF FOR QUITE A WHILE. 
          SO WE WANTED TO, UM, GET THIS STARTED. 
          SO THIS IS DESIGN FY 26 IN CONSTRUCTION THE FOLLOWING YEAR. 
          KATHY, YES OR NO? SURE. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, AND THEN THE EL CAMINO SD 13 AS PART OF THE SIM THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, THE STORM DRAIN. 
          OKAY, WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THAT. 
          YA, MY COUNTY MISCELLANEOUS FLOOD CONTROL PROJECTS, THAT'S ZERO. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH ON THE ALTERNATE ROUTE OVER OAK CREEK. 
          I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA PUT SOME MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND NOW IT'S ZERO TO ETERNITY. 
          SO, UH, ONE THING THAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE THIS INCORPORATED INTO THE VERDE VALLEY MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN. 
          YEP. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED FUNDING FOR THAT IN FY 26. 
          OH, I MEAN FROM AN ACOG YEAH. 
          MEMBER PERSPECTIVE OR BOARD MEMBER PERSPECTIVE. 
          RIGHT ON. 
          YEAH, AND I SHOULDN'T BE IN MODE REQUIRED. 
          I'VE ALREADY TOLD THEM SEVERAL TIMES THAT I WANT IT IN THERE, SO, AND, AND I'VE ACTUALLY NOMINATED A COUPLE OF, UH, 
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LOCALS TO BE PART OF THE, UH, STAKEHOLDER GROUP. 
          SO, UH, MEMBERS OF OUR STACK AND, UH, VVCC, THE, UH, CYCLIST COALITION CC VOLUNTEER. 
          YOU WANTED TO BE A VOLUNTEER ON THAT. 
          TALK . 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SO WE, NOW WE'RE ON SUSTAINABILITY DECARBONIZATION PLAN AND DESIGN. 
          HELLO AGAIN. 
          UH, THE DECARBONIZATION PLAN AND DESIGN, UH, IS RELATED TO THE, UH, GRANT THAT I MENTIONED, UH, YESTERDAY. 
          UH, SO THE, UH, THAT GRANT WAS THROUGH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF RESILIENCY AND THAT WOULD COVER, UH, THE FULL SCOPE OF THE DECARBONIZATION PLANNING AND DESIGN ELEMENTS. 
          UH, THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UH, IS EVERYBODY ON BOARD WITH THAT? WE'RE ON BOARD EASY, RIGHT? WE'RE GOOD. 
          IT HIGHLIGHTS ALL, IT, UH, LOOPS INTO ALL THE OTHER, WE ALREADY SUPPORTED IT. 
          SO WHEN YOU'VE MADE THE SALE STOP . 
          UH, SO THE, UH, ASPECT WAS THAT PLANNING DESIGN WOULD LEAD TO THE OTHER, UH, OTHER PROJECTS ON THE LIST. 
          THE, UH, ASPECT FOR THE ELECTRICITY CAPACITY UPGRADES AND EV INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY'RE KIND OF TIED TO EACH OTHER. 
          UH, THAT WITH THE INCREASED DEMAND, YOU'D HAVE TO INCREASE ELECTRICAL CAPACITY NEEDS AT THOSE LOCATIONS. 
          UH, AND THEN WE DECIDED TO MOVE ON SITE RENEWABLES, UH, SOLAR PV OUT FUTURES. 
          WE HEARD YOU . 
          WHERE WOULD THIS BE? THE ELECTRIC CHARGING, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE? YEAH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE UPGRADES. 
          WELL, FOR 26, UH, FOR THE ELECTRICAL BASKET CAPACITY UPGRADES AND EV INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE PROMINENT PRIMARILY HERE AT THE CITY HALL COMPLEX, UH, AS WELL AS A BID OUT OF WASTEWATER. 
          AND THEN POTENTIALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE AT, AT CONTRACTORS ROAD FOR THE, THE MAIN FOCUS AREA. 
          SO CITY FACILITIES BASICALLY? YES, CITY FACILITIES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO THE DECARBONATION PLAN WE DID, NOW WE'RE DOING THE ELECTRIC CAPACITY UPGRADES WHERE WE THAT'S WHAT YOU, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          I'M SORRY, ANNETTE. 
          WHAT? OH, I WAS JUST CLARIFYING YOU WERE ASKING FOR THE VOTE. 
          YES, THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? LIKE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE SLOWING DOWN THE PACE AT WHICH WE'RE TAKING UP EVS INTO OUR FLEET, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. 
          SO IS, IS THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IN THESE TWO ITEMS, SUS 12 AND 13, ARE WE GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES OR IS THIS REALLY THE RIGHT PACE OF INVESTMENT? UH, IN MY MIND IT'S THE RIGHT PACE OF INVESTMENT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN RUNNING INTO A COMPONENT OF LIKE KIND OF A CHICKEN EGG SITUATION WHERE IF WE HAVE TOO MANY OF THE VEHICLES ON AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE CHARGING, THEN YOU HAVE AN ISSUE IF YOU HAVE TOO MUCH OF THE CHARGING, BUT THEN NOT THE VEHICLES RUNNING AN ISSUE. 
          BUT I'D RATHER HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT INCREASED DEMAND, UH, THAT WE'D BE ANTICIPATING, UH, TO MEET THAT GOAL BY THAT FY 30. 
          SO IT WOULD BE GETTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, AHEAD OF THE, UH, INCREASE IN PROCUREMENT OF THE EVS AS WE GO FORWARD TO 30. 
          BUT IT IS 1.2 MILLION IN THE NEXT YEAR AND THEN 3 MILLION THE YEAR AFTER THAT AND 1.2 THE YEAR AFTER THAT. 
          LIKE, IT'S NICE TO HAVE IT, BUT WE DO NEED TO PAY FOR IT. 
          SO I'M LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL HEADS. 
          NODDING GOING, YEAH. 
          THAT WE SHOULD BE SPENDING AT THIS PACE. 
          WELL, AGAIN, THE QUESTION I'M GONNA ASK IS THIS REALISTIC IN THAT YEAR AS WELL? I MEAN, CAN THESE NUMBERS AS PLACEHOLDERS, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA WALK AWAY FROM YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE PROGRAM, RIGHT? BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IS THIS REALISTICALLY WHAT WE NEED TO SPEND AND WHAT WE ACTUALLY WOULD'VE THE CAPACITY TO SPEND? UH, I THINK WITH THE TIMING OF WHERE THE DECARBONIZATION PLANNING AND DESIGN WOULD BE, THAT PROCESS IS PROBABLY GONNA TAKE ABOUT SIX MONTHS OR SO THAT THE ELECTRICAL PLASTIC, WE ALREADY DID THAT ONE. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EV NO, HE KNOWS. 
          ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT WITH THE PLANNING OF HOW LONG THAT'S GOING TO TAKE IN THAT PLANNING PROCESS, UH, IT'S, IT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE IT TO WHERE ELECTRICAL CAPACITY UPGRADES AND EV INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, TO GET ALL OF THAT DONE BY THE END OF FY 26 COULD COME DOWN A BIT. 
          I'D SAY YOU COULD PROBABLY CUT THAT IN HALF. 
          PHYSICALLY CUT IT IN HALF. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO TAKE SIX, 13 DOWN TO THREE AND TAKE 600 DOWN TO THREE. 
          I'D BE GOOD WITH THAT. 
          EVERYBODY ELSE? YEP. 
          WE UNANIMOUS? YEP. 
          YOU GOT THAT JOE WITH THE NUMBERS? YES MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU BRYCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THEN WE GO TO WASTEWATER ROX AND ROCKSTAR ROXANNE. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY WE'RE DONE NOW. 
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NOT CONSIDERING ANYMORE, RIGHT? ALRIGHT. 
          UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          LET'S SEE IF YOU, IF YOU EVEN NEED TO SELL THE, THE, UH, THE ASK FOR COLLECTION PIPE REHABS AND MANHOLE REHABS. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DOING SOMETHING THAT WOULD, COULD BE CRITICAL. 
          YOU'RE GOOD, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          . 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. 
          MORE. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          THROW DRY BEDS IN THERE TOO. 
          YEAH, DRY DRY BEDS AND THE TREATMENT PROCESS UPGRADES. 
          ANY QUESTION FOR ROXANNE? WELL, WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS THE TREATMENT PROCESS UPGRADE TOLD US? WELL, THE TREATMENT PLAN, UH, PROCESS UPGRADES IS OUR CURRENT UV UPGRADES THAT WE'RE DOING UNDERWAY ALREADY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU ROXANNE. 
          YOU BET THERE'S ANOTHER WE HAVE. 
          OH YEAH. 
          SO , UH, STORAGE, UH, THE BUILDING IS SECONDARY. 
          CLARIFIER REHAB, RECHARGE. 
          ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT? AND THE, UH, RECHARGE? WELL FILTER BACKWASH? NOPE. 
          NO ISSUES. 
          OKAY. 
          THUMBS UP. 
          WOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT PRESENTATION, . 
          YOU BET. 
          THANK YOU . 
          I LIKE THIS IS THE NEW PROCESS. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          SO WHEN ARE WE GONNA HAVE THE NEXT CONVERSATION ABOUT INJECTION WELLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT? WHEN'S THAT SCHEDULED? SO WE'RE WRAPPING UP THE FACILITY PLAN NOW. 
          UM, THAT WILL BE RELEASED TO YOU. 
          AND THEN WE PLAN ON COMING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN AUGUST. 
          I THINK IT'S THE FIRST SPECIAL MEETING. 
          WE ONLY HAVE ONE SESSION. 
          FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST. 
          YEAH, THE AUGUST ONE. 
          WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS ALREADY. 
          WE OH, HAVE YOU TWO? MM-HMM . 
          OH, COULD THEY MOVE THE LEAGUE? YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          OH GEE. 
          F*****G US. 
          DANG. 
          YES, PHIL. 
          ALRIGHT, SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UM, THE INITIAL BUDGET THAT THE CITY MANAGER PROPOSED TO CITY COUNCIL WAS 45 MILLION 9 79 1 42. 
          AFTER THESE CHANGES, THE BUDGET IS NOW 43 MILLION 7 15 1 72 OR A DECREASE OF 2.263 MILLION. 
          SO JUST SOMETHING TO NOTICE, WE MOVE INTO DECISION PACKAGES. 
          WE APPRECIATE THAT INFORMATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT BACK UP, . 
          OKAY, SO WHERE ARE WE NOW? MEANWHILE, THE CHIEF IS GOING, OH, CAN I HAVE AS EASY AS ROXANNE ? SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SPEAK ON THIS BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS WAS TAKEN CARE OF IN ANDY'S SPREADSHEET. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          SO THIS IS RESOLVED. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT PRESENTATION, SANDY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          OKAY. 
          LONG RANGE FA FORECAST. 
          DON'T FEEL ANY PRESSURE. 
          ANYBODY. 
          . 
          NOW, UH, COUNSEL, WE HAVE, WE ARE SCHEDULED FOR A BREAK AT THREE FOR 10 MINUTES. 
          IS THAT, UH, DOES ANYBODY FEEL THE NEED TO DO THAT? NO, I DON'T. 
          ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA WORK RIGHT THROUGH OUR BREAK, PLEASE. 
          AT LEAST FIVE MINUTES TO STRETCH, RIGHT? WHAT'S FIVE MINUTES TO STRETCH? OKAY. 
          FIVE MINUTES. 
          THREE JOE, WE'LL BE BACK AT THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST 'CAUSE YOUR LEGS ARE LONG TO STRETCH. 
          LONGER STRETCH EVERY HOUR. 
          YOU WERE DOING IT ON THE AIR. 
          NO, DIDN'T DO ANY OF THEM YET. 
          WELL, BUT I MEAN, ANY OF THEM YET. 
          THAT'S WHY I'M SO FREAKING CRAP. 
          I'M LIKE, WELL, I MEAN, YOU, YOU BOOKED THE FLIGHT, SO WE DO THE BEST WE CAN. 
          YEAH, WELL, BUT WE NEED MORE REALISTIC, EVEN FOR REGULAR MEETINGS. 
          WE NEED MORE REALISTIC FORECASTING ABOUT TODAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S COME BACK. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO FOR LONG RANGE FORECAST, MAYOR, IF I MAY. 
          YES. 
          ANNETTE. 
          EXCUSE ME, MAYOR, IF I MAY. 
          UM, SO ON YOUR AGENDA, ON YOUR SCHEDULE AND WHY PEOPLE HAVE COME IS, UM, THE NEXT THING UP ON THIS IS THE RECAP OF THE DECISION PACKAGES AND THAT CONVERSATION. 
          AND SO WE CAN GET INTO THE FORECAST AFTER THAT. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER IN YOUR BINDER, SO I JUST WANTED TO UM, OKAY. 
          POINT THAT OUT. 
          THUMBS UP FOR THAT? YEAH, THUMBS UP. 
          BIG THUMBS UP. 
          OKAY, SO THAT TAKE US, TAKES US TO WHAT PAGE IN THE BOOK. 
          OH, WE ADDED THE BOOK AGAIN. 
          IT THUMBS UP. 
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IT'S THE SUPPLEMENT IN THE FRONT THAT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          MIGHT BE, OH, NEVERMIND. 
          THIS IN THE FRONT PAGE. 
          IN THE FRONT? YEAH. 
          IN THE FRONT OF YOUR NOTEBOOK. 
          THERE'S AN INSERT IN THE OH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          UM, SLEEVE. 
          THE ONE PAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE SKY WITH THE COLOR COATING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE, UM, WE'LL JUST GO DOWN THE LIST OR BARBARA, YOU GOING DOWN THE LIST? WHO THE NEW, YOU WANT ME TO DO IT? I'LL DO IT. 
          IT'S, I WOULD SAY IT'S UP TO YOU SINCE YOU COULD VOTE ON IT AS YOU GO IF YOU WANTED IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, ITEM 10, SHORT TERM RENTAL CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. 
          WE HAVE, I'M, SO DO YOU, STERLING, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT MATCHES THE HANDOUT? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE THIS IN THE BOOK, RIGHT? BUT THE SLIDE WAS A DIFFERENT, WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE, THERE WE GO. 
          THE PAGE IS THE LOOSE PAGE. 
          IT'S IN YOUR BOOK BINDER. 
          I HAVE, IT'S THE POWERPOINT THING POPPING UP. 
          I WAS LIKE, WHERE'S THAT? I GOT THE SAME ONE. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IN YOUR, IT'S THE, IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN THE I GOT IT. 
          IT WAS SLIDE DOWN. 
          SO ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          THOSE IN SUPPORT. 
          THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN. 
          WHAT DO YOU WANNA DISCUSS? I, I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE, THE WHY YES. 
          FOR THOSE. 
          I'M, I'M ON THE FENCE. 
          I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHY. 
          YES, FOR THOSE THAT ARE YES. 
          I, AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT IN THE BASE BUDGET. 
          UM, RIGHT. 
          SO THEY ARE ADDING TO THE BUDGET AS YOU ADD THINGS IN IF YOU DECIDE TO. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT THIS IS A POSITION THAT, UM, OUR, THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN CLAMORING FOR, NUMBER ONE. 
          NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          IT ONLY HELPS US MAKE OUR CASE IF WE HAVE THIS INFORMATION ON TO WHY WE NEED ADDITIONAL HELP FROM THE STATE. 
          AND NUMBER THREE, I THINK THERE'S SOME SELF-FUNDING ASPECT TO THIS. 
          UH, IT'S OKAY. 
          IN FAVOR. 
          THUMBS UP, JOE. 
          UNANIMOUS. 
          SO STERLING, THIS IS PART OF YOUR SPREADSHEET. 
          THE OTHER END, OTHER SIDE OF YOUR SPREADSHEET, THE ADS. 
          WHICH, WHICH ONE DID YOU JUST VOTE ON? THE FIRST ONE TERM, SHORT TERM. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ALL OF THEM, RIGHT? WE'RE DONE. 
          11 POSSE GROUNDS PARK SHADE STRUCTURE. 
          THAT'S CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDED. 
          AND THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE BUDGET WORK GROUP. 
          WASN'T THAT YOU ASK. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT, WHAT WAS THE SHADE STRUCTURES THAT WE JUST VOTED ON EARLIER? THAT WAS RANGER? THAT WAS RANGER. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          YES. 
          OH, GO AHEAD. 
          I, THAT WAS MY QUICK QUESTION TO JOSH. 
          THOSE WERE FOR THE RANGER STATION PLAYGROUND. 
          THIS IS POSS RANGER STATION. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE DOING THUMBS UP, THUMB DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          UNANIMOUS. 
          JOE, UH, THE EEC, CLIVE EEC, WHATEVER GRANT MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE ADD-ON, THAT'S TIER ONE FOR THE MANAGER. 
          RECOMMENDED BY THE BUDGET WORK GROUP. 
          GIMME YOUR REASONING AGAIN, WHY THIS WAS, UM, I THINK WE COULD USE IT, BUT I DIDN'T FILL THAT IT WAS SO URGENT THAT WE NEEDED TO DO IT THIS YEAR. 
          UM, I MEAN IT WAS PRETTY, A BASIC THOUGHT PROCESS, JUST TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO HOW MUCH I WAS RECOMMENDING TO BE INCLUDED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE OUR ERP SYSTEM GOING IN, RIGHT. 
          THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          WHAT GETS SLOWED DOWN BY NOT DOING THIS NOW, UM, I THINK IT JUST HELPS OUR GRANTS RIDER, UM, BE A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT. 
          AND THEN ON THE BACK END, IT HELPS THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT WITH COMPILING THE REPORTS BACK TO THE GRANTING AGENCIES AND TRACKING THE MONEY. 
          AND IT'LL HELP THE GRANTS WRITER OBTAIN GRANTS THIS YEAR THAT WILL OFFSET THE COST OF IT. 
          THAT I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD OFFSET THE COST, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE UPDATES TO THE USER ON WHAT GRANTS ARE AVAILABLE THAT THEY COULD APPLY FOR. 
          SO IT DOES, PARDON ME. 
          WELL, THE ANSWER IS THAT IS NONE IN THE CURRENT CLIMATE . 
          AND I MEAN, THAT IS, THAT IS A VALID POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE GRANT STREAM, UM, IS NOT QUITE WHAT IT WAS. 
          IT DOES PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION, BUT I WOULD AGREE WITH ANNETTE THAT I'M NOT SURE IT'S CRITICAL FOR THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IS THIS A MODULE FROM OUR ERP SYSTEM? NO, IT IS NOT. 
          IT WOULD BE A STANDALONE GRANTS MODULE. 
          I DON'T THINK SO. 
          THEY HAVE A, LIKE 
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GRANTS AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT, BUT THAT WOULDN'T PROVIDE THIS KIND OF LIKE, WHAT ARE THE COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS PARTICULAR GRANT? HERE'S A GRANT THAT MIGHT WORK FOR YOUR TRANSPORTATION PLAN. 
          THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT E CVIS HAS MORE OF THAT, WHAT'S AVAILABLE OUT THERE AND HELPS YOU MANAGE THE INDIVIDUAL GRANT COMPLIANCE. 
          WHEREAS THE ERP SYSTEM WILL HELP YOU MANAGE THE EXPENDITURES AND ALL THAT. 
          BUT THE ACTUAL LIKE GRANT AGENCY STUFF IS, IS MORE IN THE ECI REALM. 
          DOES IT INTEGRATE WITH THE ERP SYSTEM? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I WOULD SAY UNKNOWN. 
          YEAH, UNKNOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I'M, I'M MORE INCLINED TO GO ALONG WITH THE CITY MANAGER. 
          SHE UNDERSTANDS THE USE OF HER SOFTWARE AND HER STAFF TIME AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          SO THAT'S, SO WHAT, I GUESS, LET ME CLARIFY WHAT A TIER ONE, UH, MEANT TO ME OR WHY I, WHAT THAT MEANS OR WHY I PUT IT IN THAT A TIER ONE TO ME FOR YOUR, UM, CONSIDERATION IS IF THE COUNCIL WAS WILLING TO FUND ADDITIONAL DOLLARS INTO THE BUDGET, THIS ONE WOULD BE THE NEXT PRIORITY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I WOULD SAY NO OUTRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S JUST THAT WHAT IS YOUR CAPACITY FOR ADDING MORE EXPENDITURES TO THE BUDGET? AND IF YOU'RE WILLING, THEN THIS WOULD BE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST AFTER THE YESES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SUPPORT, UH, WON'T SUPPORT THUMBS UP. 
          OR YOU, MELISSA, I'M SORRY. 
          YOU DID HAVE A QUESTION. 
          NO, YOU DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE COME BACK TO THAT ONE WHEN WE SEE HOW MUCH ELSE WE'RE DOING? OKAY. 
          SHOULDN'T IT BE NO FOR NOW THEN? WHAT'S THAT? SHOULDN'T IT, UM, TO COUNCILLOR ELLA'S POINT, LIKE SHOULDN'T IT BE NO. 
          AND FOR NOW, AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK IF WE LIKE WHAT WE SEE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LONG RANGE THAT'S OR THE ROLL UP, THAT'S FINE. 
          OR JUST LEAVE IT AND COME BACK TO IT AT THE VERY END. 
          EITHER WAY. 
          JUST AS A GENERAL COMMENT, UM, YES. 
          THE GRANT ENVIRONMENT AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, AND THEREFORE POTENTIALLY AT THE STATE LEVEL COULD BE VERY DIFFICULT. 
          BUT THERE ARE PRIVATE GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, UM, OUT THERE IN THE WORLD AND THEY'RE HARDER TO FIND SOMETIMES THAN THE ONES THAT ARE PUBLIC GRANTS. 
          AND SO IF THIS SOFTWARE HAS THE ABILITY TO LOOK ACROSS ALL TYPES OF GRANTS TO FIND OUT WHERE WE MAY HAVE PRIVATE GRANTS OR SOMETIMES THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONAL GRANTS THAT ARE RUN BY CORPORATIONS. 
          SO IF IT CAN LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE AND NOT SIMPLY AT FEDERAL OR STATE LEVEL GRANTS, GOVERNMENTAL GRANTS, THEN THIS MIGHT BE WORTH IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S A SPECIALIST AT UNDERSTANDING THE CORPORATE GRANT WORLD OR THE, UM, THE, THE PRIVATE GRANT WORLD. 
          THAT, THAT'S, THAT WAS MY THINKING AROUND THIS. 
          WHEN WE'RE MOVING INTO A WORLD. 
          NOW, I DON'T KNOW THE SOFTWARE, SO IT'S POSSIBLE IT DOESN'T LOOK AT PRIVATE OR ORGANIZATIONAL GRANTS, BUT, UM, IF IT DID, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR OUR, OUR GRANT WRITER. 
          WELL, MAYBE YOU COULD GET BACK TO US WITH THAT INFORMATION. 
          WELL, WE NEED TO HAVE IT TODAY, BUT I'M, WELL, WE DON'T REALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THINK THAT GOES TO BRIAN'S POINT THEN. 
          THAT IT'S A IT'S A NO UNTIL WE, YOU KNOW, FOR TODAY AND WE'LL GET THAT INFORMATION. 
          IT'S A, IT IS, BUT IT'S ONGOING. 
          UH, 20 2008 PER YEAR, SO MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S A NO, IT'S A NO. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, 15 UTILITY LOCATE SPECIALIST INSPECTOR IN TRAINING. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          WERE YOU UNANIMOUS FOR NO. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, CONVERT TCA POSITION, UH, TO TWO FULL-TIME. 
          I'M, UH, YES. 
          WITH THAT. 
          HOW WE BRIAN, ANDY, ANDY, YOU SPOKE ABOUT THIS THIS MORNING, RIGHT? IS THIS REALLY AN INCREASE IN COST OR NOT? ARE WE NO, NO, IT IS. 
          WELL, IT, IT PARTLY IS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SO WE'RE ADDING BENEFITS TO A COUPLE OF, OF, UH, POSITIONS. 
          YES. 
          IT'S NOT ADDING HOURS, BUT IT'S ADDING BENEFITS. 
          SO THERE IS AN INCREASED COST. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT'S SHOWING UP HERE AS 109,000 OVERALL. 
          SO THAT, THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT RIGHT. 
          THAT FROM WHAT THAT IS. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S THE ADDITIONAL SALARY FOR MAKING THEM FULL-TIME PLUS THE FULL BENEFIT PACKAGE. 
          ARE WE PULLING, ARE WE ELIMINATING SOME PART-TIMERS THEN? USUALLY WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS WE DON'T USE THEM, WE DON'T NECESSARILY ELIMINATE THEM BECAUSE THEY ONLY GET PAID IF THEY SHOW UP. 
          SO WE, WE TRY TO KEEP AS, AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN ON THIS PART-TIME STAFF POOL, UH, THAT WE CAN PULL FROM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE 
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NOT LIKE THE FULL-TIME STAFF WHERE THEY SHOW UP ALL THE TIME CONSISTENTLY. 
          SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN IT'S REALLY THE THE BENEFITS YEAH. 
          ADD ON RIGHT AT WHAT A THIRD OF WHAT'S SHOWING HERE YEP. 
          OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN. 
          AND I CONVINCED OKAY. 
          WE'VE GOT A MAJORITY WAITING FOR TWO TO VOTE VICE MAYOR. 
          OKAY. 
          FIVE TO TWO CONSENSUS IN SUPPORT IT VEHICLE TO SERVICE REMOTE LOCATIONS. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT. 
          CAN WE HAVE KATHY? UM, YEAH, I'LL GO FOR THAT. 
          WE, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST A CAR. 
          THAT'S NOT A POLICE CAR. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WRAPPED. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SPECIALLY FITTED. 
          CAN'T WE JUST BUY IT? WE ARE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE ARE. 
          OH, THAT'S, WE ARE. 
          BECAUSE WE FOUND THAT THE ENTERPRISE ONE WAS MUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          SHE SAID YESTERDAY EXPENSIVE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO DOES IT REQUIRE, YEAH. 
          CAN WE TAKE OFF OF THIS LIST AND MAKE IT ONE OF THE BOOK SERVERS? OH, YOU MEAN BY IT THIS YEAR INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL NEXT YEAR? SURE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE CAN ORDER IT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT A CAR, IT'S A TRUCK. 
          YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET IT BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, BUT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY TRY. 
          BUT IF AS LONG AS YOU SIGN THE CONTRACT RIGHT, IT'S, IT'S TO HAVE IT. 
          NO, THE CARRYOVER OF THAT BUDGET AMOUNT THAT'S ENCUMBERED BY THAT CONTRACT STILL INCREASES THE 26 BUDGET. 
          I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. 
          BRIAN. 
          I I KNOW ISN'T THIS, ISN'T THIS JUST A, A CARGO VAN? YEP. 
          MM-HMM. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE WE CAN GO TO THE FORD DEALER OUT ON TWO 60 AND AND BUY ONE TOMORROW AFTERNOON. 
          WE WOULD DEAL FOR PROCUREMENT. 
          WHAT WE WOULD PAY MORE FOR IT IF WE DID THAT. 
          THIS IS THROUGH THE STATE PURCHASE AGREEMENT. 
          THAT'S THE DISCOUNTED, BUT IT'S ALREADY QUOTED AND AVAILABLE. 
          I, I AM PRETTY SURE IAN HAS ALREADY, UM, IDENTIFIED IT AS AVAILABLE TO US. 
          SO I THINK IT'S A TIMING ISSUE AND I CAN DOUBLE CHECK WITH THEM AND SEE IF THEY CAN GET IT DELIVERED TO US BY JUNE 3RD. 
          BUT IT IS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN, UH, SO WE'RE A THUMBS UP IF IT CAN BE. 
          WELL, IT'S NOT A THUMBS UP WITH IT THUMBS FOR ME. 
          I WANT A COMMITMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THIS OUTTA 2025 AND SO I WANNA TAKE THIS OUTTA THE 2026 BUDGET. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE ABSOLUTELY, UM, CAN ORDER IT AND HOPEFULLY GET IT IN TIME. 
          THERE'S ALL EMAIL, BUT IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET IT IN TIME SURE. 
          THEN IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET. 
          AND SO IF IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET, THEN DO WE HAVE ENOUGH DISCRETIONARY FUND TO PURCHASE IT? IF IT'S ENCUMBERED BY A CONTRACT, IT AUTOMATICALLY WILL CARRY OVER BECAUSE THE, BASICALLY THE CITY HAS SAID, WE WILL PAY FOR THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE WAY WE WANNA DO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE FEEL GOOD. 
          IT'S COMING OUT. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, 20, UH, TWO COURT SPECIALISTS, UH, WAIT. 
          AND ANNETTE, WE'RE YOU'RE TIER TWO. 
          SO I, I WASN'T RECOMMENDING IT AS A TOP PRIORITY. 
          RIGHT, BUT WHAT ABOUT ONE PERSON INSTEAD OF TWO? AGAIN, I WASN'T RECOMMENDING IT AS THE TOP PERSON. 
          OKAY. 
          DO THEY HAVE OPENINGS THAT ARE UNFILLED STILL? THEY DO. 
          THEY HAVE POSITIONS THAT THEY HAVEN'T FILLED. 
          SO WHY PUT ALL OF THIS IN? I UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY, THEN CAN WE HAVE THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN? WHERE ARE YOU'RE COUNTING FIVE IS, IS THERE A CONSIDERATION FOR ADDING ONE? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID. 
          AND, AND THAT'S STILL NOT, I THOUGHT WE JUST VOTED FOR, I THINK FOR TWO. 
          SO NOW I'M ASKING CAN WE GET, SO DO WE REMOVE BOTH OF THESE FROM THE, FROM THE BUDGET, BUT CAN WE VOTE ON WHETHER TO ADD ONE SINCE ADDING TWO JUST FAILED? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO I SAID, SO AMEND THAT ONE. 
          YOU KNOW, SO WELL THAT'S WHAT, RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT HE'S DOING. 
          SO IS IT SUPPORT FOR ONE PERSON? NO, I'M ONE, TWO. 
          YEAH, I'M, I'M GONNA HAVE TO ABSTAIN BECAUSE I'M A WAIVER ON THIS. 
          HE'S GOT AN OPEN POSITION THAT HASN'T BEEN FILLED YET. 
          HE CAN'T MORE THAN ONE. 
          YES. 
          BUT EVEN IF HE WOULD, BUT EVEN WHEN HE'S FULLY STAFFED, HE SAID HE CAN'T DO THE WORKLOAD. 
          HE'S NEVER BEEN FULLY STAFFED. 
          NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER ONCE HAS HE BEEN OKAY? SO THEN IT JUST FAILED. 
          ANYWAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT FAILED. 
          I THINK YOU GUYS, I DON'T THINK WE DID. 
          I DON'T. 
          WE DID NOT. 
          NO, I THINK WE DID. 
          WE DIDN'T. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT FAILED. 
          THESE NEXT TWO, UM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL ARE THE $70,000. 
          THEY'RE JUST IN TWO SEPARATE LINES FOR THE COURTROOM REMODEL. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHICH YOU ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IN THE CIP. 
          RIGHT? SO WE'VE ALREADY SUPPORTED DOING THAT. 
          YEP. 
          MM-HMM . 
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YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          PART-TIME RECORDS TECH FOR POLICE. 
          YOU DIDN'T SPEND MUCH TIME SPEAKING ABOUT THAT ONE AT ALL. 
          BUT THAT'S, UM, DUE TO THE VOLUME OF PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS, DISCOVERY, PROCESSING FOR COURT CASES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, THE VOLUME, WE JUST NEED ADDITIONAL HELP. 
          IT'S PART-TIME. 
          I WOULD SUPPORT IT. 
          THUMBS UP OR DISCUSSION? WE ARE UNANIMOUS. 
          FIVE, UH, PATROL OFFICERS. 
          DO WE HAVE THUMBS UP? THUMBS DOWN. 
          IT'S A BIG NUMBER. 
          IT'S A BIG NUMBER. 
          A HUGE NUMBER. 
          AND I'LL SUPPORT IT. 
          VICE MAYOR. 
          I'M CONSENSUS ACHIEVED. 
          I SUPPORT GIVING THE POLICE EXTRA PEOPLE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE QUESTION I HAVE, IS IT REALLY REALISTIC? YOU'RE GONNA HIRE ALL THESE PEOPLE AND WHEN YOU HAVE VACANT POSITION, IF YOU DON'T MIND, CHIEF AFTERNOON AGAIN. 
          SO, UM, I DO THINK IT'S REALISTIC. 
          I, WE HAVE A WAITING LIST NOW OF PEOPLE THAT WE'VE BEEN INTERVIEWING THAT WE'RE CREATING A LIST WITH WHAT I WAS SAYING SERGEANT OLIVER'S DOING. 
          WE, UM, ARE ALREADY PLANNING. 
          SO ON THAT LIST, WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO OUR CURRENT NUMBER TO GET TO STAFFING WITH THE TWO KNOWN THAT ARE GETTING READY TO RETIRE. 
          ALSO HAVE THAT, LIKE I SAID, WE RESERVE FOUR SLOTS IN THE NEXT ACADEMY CLASS. 
          WE'RE WORKING TO DO LATERAL AND NEW HIRES. 
          AND REALLY THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS, SHOULD WE NOT GET THESE NINE THEN IT'S NOT JUST ANOTHER YEAR OUT TO FILL THAT, IT'S A YEAR AFTER THAT BECAUSE OF HOW LONG IT TAKES TO HIRE. 
          SO THE IMPACT OF NOT DOING IT IN ONE YEAR AND PUSHING IT OUT IS ACTUALLY WE'RE TWO YEARS OUT. 
          BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO FIND, RECRUIT, HIRE, GET THROUGH EVERYTHING. 
          SO BY DESIGNING A PLAN TO KEEP THIS ONGOING LIKE LIEUTENANT OR SERGEANT OLIVER'S DOING, THEN WE'RE CREATING THAT LIST. 
          AND WE ARE VERY ACTIVELY SEEKING OUT PEOPLE TO COME HERE AND TRYING TO CREATE, LIKE WE WENT THROUGH WITH HR, UM, INCREASING OUR WAGES TO MAKE US MORE DESIRABLE. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF INCENTIVES, SO I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE ARE, WE ARE GONNA MAKE A REALLY GOOD PASS AT IT. 
          AND I, I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF I'M STANDING HERE SAYING WE DIDN'T AT LEAST GET, YOU KNOW, 75%. 
          IT'S, IT'S REALLY WHEN WE GET TO THE PUSH AND YOU LOOK AT HOW MANY CAN WE GET THAT'S LATERAL AND NEW HIRES, BUT I WOULD REALLY HATE TO PUSH IT OUT EVEN ANOTHER YEAR. 
          AND THEN NOW I'M SITTING HERE IN TWO YEARS TALKING ABOUT THE PROBLEM AND I'M INCREASING THAT NUMBER AGAIN BECAUSE WE NEVER EVEN GOT TO THE FIRST HURDLE. 
          OKAY. 
          KATHY? I, I CAN'T SEPARATE THE FIVE PATROL OFFICERS FROM THE THREE MOTOR TRAFFIC BECAUSE YOU, YOU LET ME FINISH MY STATEMENT. 
          SO, BECAUSE IT'S ALL PEOPLE THAT YOU NEED TO BRING ON AT ONE TIME TO TRAIN THEM, NEVERMIND JUST LIKE ACADEMY OR NON ACADEMY OR JUST THE, BUT THE, THE ONBOARDING, THAT'S HUGE. 
          I MEAN THE RATIO OF THAT TO THE PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE TO, TO GET THEM UP TO SPEED, JUST TO ME IT'S THE SAME QUESTION I WAS ASKING ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, RIGHT? IS THIS REALISTICALLY WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO SPEND IN, WILL SPEND IN THIS YEAR REALISTICALLY? 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM REALISTIC TO ME. 
          WELL, I THINK THE, TO TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF IT TOOK TWO MONTHS, THEN THAT'S TWO MONTHS OF SALARY SAVINGS. 
          SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          RIGHT? LIKE WE WOULDN'T GET TO JULY AND AUTOMATICALLY DO THAT. 
          THERE IS GONNA BE A PHASED IN PROCESS. 
          SO ALL THAT MONEY WOULD NOT COME OUT INITIALLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN THE CARS WE WOULD ORDER RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE THAT CAN TAKE TIME. 
          SO SOME OF THAT MONEY WOULD COME OUT, BUT AS WE HIRE THEN WE WOULD BE PUTTING MONEY TOWARDS THAT. 
          SO THERE WOULD BE SALARY SAVINGS ALREADY BUILT INTO THAT. 
          BECAUSE THE FIRST WAVE MIGHT TAKE THREE MONTHS. 
          THE NEXT WAVE MIGHT TAKE SIX MONTHS. 
          BUT WE WOULD HIRE EVERYBODY WITHIN THAT YEAR, BUT IT JUST WOULDN'T BE ALL AT ONE TIME. 
          SO THAT AMOUNT, I DON'T THINK THAT AMOUNT WILL NECESSARILY BE ALL USED IN THAT FIRST YEAR. 
          NO, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SAVINGS TO IT ALSO. 
          I THINK THE MONEY THAT WE'RE DOING ON THE FRONT END ISN'T WHAT'S GONNA BE THE ONGOING IN YEARS AFTER THAT. 
          'CAUSE THIS IS THE INITIAL COST. 
          BARBARA, I I DID WANNA MENTION THAT YOU ALL HAD SAID, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES THIS YEAR, SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO FUND ANY OF THESE, WE CAN LOOK AT ORDERING THOSE VEHICLES DURING THIS YEAR. 
          UM, AND IT ALSO IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE ONE TIME VERSUS THE ONGOING FOR THESE, BECAUSE OF THE DECISION PACKAGES THAT THE CHIEF PRESENTED WITH THE POSITIONS, THE NINE POSITIONS, THE TOTAL COST WAS ABOUT 2.8 MILLION. 
          HALF OF THAT IS ONE TIME. 
          I YEAH. 
          WHICH IS STILL A MILLION DOLLARS ADDED ON EVERY YEAR. 
          PLUS EVERY YEAR GETS, UH, INCREASES, 
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YOU KNOW, TO THE, TO SALARIES, TO FRINGE TO, I MEAN IT'S JUST, IT'S GOT AN EXPONENTIAL IMPACT. 
          IT ABSOLUTELY DOES. 
          IT DOES. 
          I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS YEAR AND YOU'RE SAYING, OH MY GOSH, THAT'S A BIG NUMBER THIS YEAR. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY A SMALLER NUMBER GOING FORWARD AFTER YOU MAKE THAT INITIAL INVESTMENT. 
          YEAH, AND I WOULD REALLY SAY, I MEAN THIS HAS BEEN AT LEAST A, A DECADE OF A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE HAVE NOT INCREASED OUR STAFFING. 
          AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MONEY, IT'S NEVER GONNA BE A GOOD TIME. 
          BUT AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT NEXT MOVE TOWARDS IT. 
          AND WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT SINCE 2009, WHERE THERE WE'RE GROWING AS A CITY AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND CREATING AND WE'RE STILL STUCK AT THE NUMBERS AND TRYING TO DO MORE WORK LIKE DEREK. 
          SO JUST IF WE SAY FOUR OFFICERS REALIZING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND ALL THAT MONEY BECAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE YOU TIME TO RECRUIT. 
          AND I GIVE, THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR BARBARA. 
          IF BY SOME MIRACLE SUDDENLY FIVE OFFICERS BECAME AVAILABLE TOWARD THE END OF THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WOULD THAT MEANS YOU COULDN'T HIRE THE FIFTH OR AS LONG AS SHE STAYED UNDER THE NUMBER, COULD SHE HIRE THAT FIFTH OFFICER? YOU? WELL IF, IF YOU APPROVE THE POSITIONS, WHAT YOU COULD DO IS SAY WE'RE GOING TO FUND 10 OUT OF 12 MONTHS. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M FOUR OR FIVE POSITIONS OR NINE OUT OF 12 MONTHS OF THOSE POSITIONS WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME ON BOARD IMMEDIATELY. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY A, A BETTER WAY TO DO IT. 
          IF YOU'RE WANTING TO SAY WE, WE PROBABLY WANNA ADD THAT POSITION BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA CAP HER ABILITY TO HIRE THE FIFTH OFFICER IF SHE CAN GET THE FIFTH OFFICER. 
          BUT IF WE'RE REALIZING IT'S GONNA TAKE OVER THE FISCAL YEAR TO HIRE THOSE PEOPLE, THEN CAN WE FINESS THAT? SO IF SHE'S SAYING WE MAYOR, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UH, SO, BUT JUST TO TAKE MY OWN TIME, I DON'T WANNA SEE ANY OFFICERS HURT. 
          UH, I'M LOOKING AT THOSE SHEETS. 
          WE ALL LOOK AT THOSE AT THE, UH, THE SHEETS FROM PD TWICE A DAY AND WE'RE SEEING HOMELESSNESS, HOMELESSNESS, HOMELESSNESS ISSUES ARE HAPPENING. 
          I WOULD RATHER SPEND THIS MONEY FOR THE FIVE, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTORCYCLE, BUT, UH, SUPPORT THE FIVE. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GO TO A FUNERAL. 
          I DON'T WANNA GO TO A HOSPITAL. 
          I WANT OUR COPS TO BE FULLY, UH, STAFFED. 
          UH, CHIEF, IF THIS IS APPROVED AND IT MOVES FORWARD, DO HAVE LOCKER ROOM SPACE. 
          AND I KNOW IT'S DROPPING DOWN INTO THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU HAVE ROOM IN THE CURRENT BUILDING, UH, FOR THAT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AT ONE TIME. 
          YES. 
          AND UH, WILL WE NO LONGER SEE A LOT LESS OF THE UNFILLED, UH, SPOTS ON THE, UH, DAILY SHEET? I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT THAT DIRECT CORRELATION CAN BE MADE. 
          BECAUSE IF WE HAVE INJURIES, IF PEOPLE ARE ON VACATION, THEY GO TO TRAININGS. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE WERE SAYING, THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE ARE NOT STAFFED RIGHT NOW TO EVEN HANDLE THE CALLS ADEQUATELY TO THEN GIVE THE TIME TO WELL, WHEN WE GET TO IT, THAT'S THE THING. 
          IT'S NOT JUST FIVE, IT'S NINE THAT WE'RE SAYING WHERE THIRTEENS ACTUALLY THE NUMBER WE'RE DOWN. 
          SO THERE'S STILL A BIG LIABILITY OUT THERE BY SLICING IT FURTHER DOWN FROM THE NINE THAT WE'RE SAYING, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT WE'RE UNDERSTAFFED BY GIVING FIVE. 
          AND THE WAY I HAD DRAFTED IT WAS SHOWING WHERE THOSE POSITIONS WOULD GO. 
          BUT FIVE POSITIONS AT THAT POINT WOULD BE MOVED AROUND WHEREVER THE NEED IS. 
          SO IT'S NOT REALLY SPECIFIC TO THOSE SQUADS. 
          I WAS PRETTY MUCH SHOWING YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE STRUCTURE THAT I WOULD WORK WITHIN GIVEN THESE NINE POSITIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          BRIAN WAS FIRST. 
          BRIAN VICE MAYOR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU CHIEF. 
          'CAUSE I WAS GONNA REFRAME IT. 
          ESSENTIALLY THE WAY YOU DID THAT, REALLY, THERE'S A REQUEST IN FRONT OF US FOR NINE SWORN OFFICERS THAT WAS WELL DOCUMENTED BY, UH, THE PD STAFF AND YOU KNOW, DO WE A BELIEVE THAT THAT NEED IS LEGIT? AND THEN SECONDLY, WHAT'S THE RATE OF UPTAKE THAT WE BELIEVE PD CAN ACTUALLY RECRUIT, PULL IT IN, ET CETERA, THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH FUNDING. 
          UH, TO ME THAT'S HOW I'M THINKING ABOUT IT. 
          I, I, YOU, YOU CONVINCED ME ABOUT THE NINE, IT'S GREAT THAT RECRUITING'S GOING BETTER THAN EVER BEFORE. 
          I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE AT 30 NOW AND YOU'RE WANTING TO GO TO 39, LIKE, I MEAN YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING STAFF BY A THIRD, THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE WHOA. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT IS A LOT FOR YOU TO ABSORB. 
          SO LIKE FOR MYSELF, I COULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH SAYING, HEY, THIS IS A TWO STEP PROCESS AND APPROVE FIVE NOW AND SAY, HEY, PLANNING ON APPROVING FOUR MORE NEXT YEAR. 
          AND MY ONE QUESTION IS LIKE, WE'RE NOT FROM A A STATE STATUTE STANDPOINT, IT'S NOT ABOUT HEAD COUNT. 
          IT'S SIMPLY THE BUDGET. 
          RIGHT? SO THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF 
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THOSE CASES, RIGHT? WHERE IF WE'RE SITTING HERE A YEAR FROM NOW AND WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, PROJECTED SURPLUS, WE COULD BE ACCELERATING THE FOLLOWING YEARS HEAD COUNT IF WE HAD PEOPLE READY TO GO THAT GO BEYOND WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, WE APPROVE NOW IF WE APPROVE SOMETHING LESS THAN NINE TODAY. 
          AM I MAKING SENSE? YOU'RE LOOKING LIKE, HUH? WHAT'S HE TALKING ABOUT? I I I DON'T THINK THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BUT YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S LEGAL TO DO THAT? NO, I, I MEAN I THINK 'CAUSE BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING TO APPROVE THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS THAT EXIST, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT JUST LIKE, HERE'S A BLANKET AMOUNT OF MONEY, IT'S HERE'S A BLANKET AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR X AMOUNT OF POSITIONS. 
          BUT IT USE THE MONEY THOUGH, ISN'T IT? THEY'RE SEPARATE. 
          HMM. 
          IT REALLY IS THE MONEY, ISN'T IT? NO. 
          SO FOR STATE AND LEGAL REASONS, I'D SAY YES, IT'S THE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THE BUDGET, BUT UM, FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, YOU'VE ALWAYS APPROVED, UH, THE FULL, THE NUMBER OF FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AND HEAD COUNT PROPOSAL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO FILL IT ON A TEMPORARY BASIS 'CAUSE THEY HAVE BUDGETARY CAPACITY, THEY HAVE MONEY TO SPEND, BUT NOT NECESSARILY HIRE SOMEONE FULL-TIME. 
          'CAUSE COUNCIL ONLY APPROVED EIGHT INSTEAD OF THE NINE. 
          BUT CAN, BUT CAN COUNSEL COULD NEXT MARCH 15TH, COULD COUNSEL CHOOSE TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THREE MORE SWORN OFFICERS EVEN IN FISCAL 26, ASSUMING WE HAVE MONEY AVAILABLE. 
          OH, IF THE MONEY'S AVAILABLE. 
          IF THE MONEY'S AVAILABLE, YOU COULD APPROVE NEW PEOPLE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WITHIN THE BUDGET. 
          WE CAN'T RAISE THE BUDGET AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? YEAH, RIGHT. 
          I HAVE A PROPOSAL. 
          WHAT IF WE APPROVE NINE POSITIONS FOR NINE MONTHS? COULD YOU LIVE WITH THAT? DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STARTING IN, SO IN OTHER WORDS YOU'LL BE THREE MONTHS SHORT, BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GONNA DO IT IN WAVES ANYWAY. 
          SO HAVE THE POSITION START IN SEPTEMBER BASICALLY THE COST OF THE POSITION? WELL, IT WOULD BE HOWEVER SHE WANTS TO DO IT. 
          SO IF I HIRED FOUR AT THE FRONT END, I WOULDN'T HIRE THE NEXT UNTIL THE SECOND HALF, WHICH IS PROBABLY MORE SO HOW IT WOULD END UP ANYWAYS. 
          RIGHT. 
          BETWEEN TWO ACADEMIES AND OR SPLIT BETWEEN LATERAL AND NEW HIRES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE ARE LOOKING AT FIVE PATROL OFFICES NOW. 
          WELL, I WAS LOOKING AT NINE. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, LET'S SPLIT IT UP. 
          I LIKE THE NINE. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST? SO THE SAVINGS, IF YOU APPROVE THE NINE FOR NINE FOR NINE MONTHS IS 306,000. 
          YOU COULD REDUCE THE BUDGET. 
          HOW MUCH? 300. 
          306. 
          SO 300 IN THAT. 
          THE PROPOSAL OF JUST LOOKING AT IT AS NINE AND I GET THAT, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ONE IS DESIGNATED AS THE, UM, UM, COMMUNITY OUTREACH. 
          COMMUNITY OUTREACH OFFICER. 
          THAT'S A SEPARATE, BUT, BUT IT'S ON HERE. 
          AS FOR, FOR ANYBODY WHO'S WATCHING, FOR ANYBODY WHO LOOKS AT OUR DOCUMENTS FOR ANYTHING, WHATEVER, THEY'RE SEPARATED OUT AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ON RECORD THAT WE ARE SUPPORTING A COMMUNITY OUTREACH OFFICER. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, BUT CAN WE, SO ON THE SAME THOUGHT, YOU HAVE SEPARATE ITEMS HERE. 
          YOU HAVE FIVE PATROL OFFICERS, THREE MOTOR OFFICERS. 
          LET'S GO WITH THE LINE ITEM FOR THE FIVE PATROL OFFICERS AND SEE IF WE HAVE SUPPORT OR NOT SUPPORT. 
          MAYOR I I, I WANNA SUPPORT THE VICE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL AS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WE'RE APPROVING NINE POSITIONS AND LET THE CHIEF FIGURE OUT WHAT SEATS, WHAT, WHAT THEIR TITLE IS AND THE NINE BEING FIVE PLUS THREE PLUS ONE, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S THE RESOURCE OFFICER, THE MOTOR OFFICER. 
          AND I THINK, AND I THINK TO COUNCILOR ELLA'S POINT, THE, THE RESOURCE OFFICER NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE FIRST WAVE, RIGHT? UH, YES. 
          AND YOU DIDN'T SPECIFY THAT, BUT YOU WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DIDN'T WANT THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          YES. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA DO. 
          COMBINE THEM AS ONE. 
          I THINK I WANTED TO JUST ASK THE CITY MANAGER, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'VE REALLY HEARD FROM HER WHY TIER TWO WAS THE MOTOR OFFICERS. 
          AND THEN BASED ON THE CONVERSATION YOU'VE HEARD, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TELL US? UM, THANK YOU COUNSELOR FURMAN. 
          FIRST, I WILL SAY THAT I GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR STAFF AND THE ISSUES THAT THEY'RE FACING. 
          AND SECONDLY, UM, THAT THE WAY I HAD BROKEN THIS OUT, UM, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO SHOULD NOT BE, UM, CONSTRUED IS THAT I DON'T SUPPORT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE I 100% SUPPORT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, AT THAT TIME, UM, THE FULL STAFFING ANALYSIS WASN'T COMPLETE. 
          IT WAS THE BASIC CONCEPT THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING WHEN I HAD TO PREPARE THIS. 
          UM, AND I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF HOWEVER THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO ON IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT WAS JUST MY FIRST BEST, UH, BLUSH AT IT. 
          AGAIN, THE FRAMEWORK I WAS COMING FROM WAS THAT, THAT THE COUNCIL WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, CONTAIN THE BUDGET AND POTENTIALLY KEEP IT LOWER, NOT SEE THE HEAD COUNT, 
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GROW, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WERE DISCUSSED AT YOUR RETREAT, ET CETERA. 
          AND THAT WAS WHERE I WAS COMING FROM. 
          UM, BUT I TOTALLY SUPPORT WHATEVER WE CAN DO FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF YOU'RE WILLING TO FUND IT. 
          DEREK. 
          SO ARE WE BASICALLY SAYING NINE OFFICERS, NINE MONTHS, ONE OF 'EM HAS TO BE THE OUTREACH OFFICER AND THE OTHER EIGHT WERE LEAVING TO THE CHIEF TO DECIDE HOW TO ALLOCATE THEM, RIGHT? I MEAN, DO YOU LIKE THAT? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO LOOK AT IT. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT, NOT ALL GONNA BE HIRED STARTING JULY ONE, SO I THINK THAT'S ALREADY SOMEWHAT BUILT IN TO SAY IT, IT WOULD BE PHASED IN. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S VERY DOABLE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO LOOK AT IT AND THEN COMMIT TO ONE OF THE FIRST POSITIONS GOING TO THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH. 
          UM, BUT CHIEF, AS I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, YOU MIGHT TAKE EXISTING OFFICERS WHO ARE IN MOTOR, IN REGULAR PATROL, MOVE THEM INTO THE MOTORCYCLE AND THEN HAVE THE, THE EMPTY SPOT BE IN PATROL. 
          WELL THAT'S INTERNAL. 
          IT'S, IT'S INTERNAL. 
          IT'S STILL NINE THAT, RIGHT. 
          SO YOU, YOU, YOU MIGHT FILL IT THAT WAY AND HAVE MORE MOTOR OFFICERS, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT A BUDGET DECISION IN FRONT OF US. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M GONNA LOOK AT OUR NEEDS AND WHAT I'M COMMITTING TO IS I, I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, STARTING AND PRIORITIZING, HAVING A COMMUNITY OUTREACH OFFICER SHOULD BE ON THAT FRONT SIDE AND I CAN MAKE THAT AS A COMMITMENT AS FAR AS THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          I'M GONNA LOOK AT OUR NEEDS AND MAKE THAT DETERMINATION BASED ON WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE TIME. 
          FINE. 
          AS LONG AS THE, UH, RESOURCE OFFICER IS NUMBER ONE, THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR, KATHY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NINE, DON'T LEAVE. 
          DON'T LEAVE ONE. 
          DON'T LEAVE. 
          ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          EMERGENCY MANAGER. 
          YES. 
          RECOMMENDED PETE. 
          I WAS JUST LOOKING ACROSS IT'S A YES AND A RECOMMENDED, SO YES, THANK. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU SOLD THAT REALLY WELL TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU'RE GOOD CHIEF. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          TAKE YOUR POSSE ALMOST AS EASY AS ROXANNE. 
          HAVE YOU PARTY ? NO. 
          NO TESLA THOUGH? NO. 
          TESLA , RIGHT? NO. 
          TESLA HAD TO GET THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          34 PARKS AND REC, SOFTBALL, FIELD UPGRADES, POSSE, GROUND PARK. 
          DIDN'T WE JUST APPROVE THAT? NOPE. 
          THAT WAS THE MULTI-USE FIELD. 
          THIS IS THE LIGHT THAT WAS LIGHTING. 
          THIS IS THE LIGHTING. 
          SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S THIS ABOUT JOSH? YES. 
          SO THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS FOR THE A DA ACCESS FOR, FOR THE SOFTBALL FIELDS, WHICH WAS TIED WITH THE, WITH THE RAMADA AT POSSE GROUNDS AND THEN THE LIGHTING FOR THE MULTI-USE FIELD. 
          SO THE SOFTBALL FIELD UPDATES WOULD BE OUR, THE ONE SOFTBALL FIELD WE HAVE LEFT HAS PRETTY AGING DUGOUTS AND IT HAS SOME CONCRETE TRASH RECEPTACLES IN THERE THAT ARE PERMANENT AND THEY SMELL PRETTY BAD IN THAT AREA. 
          AND THOSE DUGOUTS TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN IT WOULD BE ENHANCING THE PLAYING SURFACE WITH SOME NEW INFIELD DIRT AND GRASS REPAIR AND JUST SOME OVERALL MAKING IT A BETTER ATHLETIC FACILITY. 
          TO ME IT'S A BETTER UPGRADE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          QUICK QUESTION. 
          IT IS A HIGHLY RECOMMENDED ONE FROM CITIZENS, ESPECIALLY THOSE PLAYING IN OUR SOFTBALL LEAGUE. 
          IT'S BEEN LONG OVERDUE. 
          ARE JOSH, ARE DOGS ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED ON THAT FIELD? CURRENTLY THEY ARE. 
          THE PLAN WOULD BE TO MOVE YAPPY HOUR TO BREWER ROAD AND THE GRASS BEHIND THOSE BUILDINGS THERE. 
          UM, HOPEFULLY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          HAVE YOU FLOWN THAT BY THE YAPPY HOUR PEOPLE? YES. 
          AND YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YEP, I HAVE MET WITH THEIR VOLUNTEERS IN DOING THAT. 
          THE PLAN WOULD BE THEN TO MOVE YAPPY HOUR TO WEEKEND DAYS SO THEY CAN USE THE PARKING AT BURER ROAD WHEN WE AREN'T IN THE OFFICE THERE. 
          ANNETTE, WHERE ARE YOU WITH THE SCHOOL? ANNETTE? WE'VE SUBMITTED THE REQUEST TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PER OUR LEASE, UM, LANGUAGE AND THE STAFF LEVEL HAVE APPROVED IT, BUT THE SUPERINTENDENT WANTS TO TAKE IT TO THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR APPROVAL, UM, WHICH I THINK IS NEXT WEEK. 
          AND THAT'S TO CONSTRUCT THE FENCING AROUND THAT GRASS AREA. 
          WILL WE BE PRESENTING AT THAT SCHOOL BOARD MEETING? WILL WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE WHO CAN SPEAK TO THIS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY? I ASKED IF I COULD ATTEND AND I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING. 
          YEAH. 
           BY PRESENTING AND ATTENDING ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          YEAH, I ASKED IF STAFF NEEDS TO COME AND PRESENT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M OKAY. 
          JUDGE, YOU HAVE ANY MONEY IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET YOU CAN SPEND ON ANY OF THESE? GOOD QUESTION. 
          ON OUR PARKS AND REC BUDGET, WE ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO USING IT ALL, SO NO, NOT REALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT HOW ABOUT FROM ANOTHER DEPARTMENT BUDGET? CITY MANAGER. 
          WE'LL GLADLY STEAL FROM OTHERS. 
          , I FIGURED YOU WOULD, YOU'LL GIVE US SOMETHING ABOUT THE POLICE. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ON OUR END IT WAS, WE TOOK ON A FEW EXTRA EVENTS THIS YEAR, LIKE OCTOBER FEST AND 
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A FEW OTHER, THE SPORTS LEAGUES AND SOME OF THAT THING THAT, UM, THE PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT, THAT WAS THE OTHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS. 
          SO ADDED SOME EXTRA COSTS THERE THAT WASN'T PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED FOR JUST TO MEET THE NEEDS. 
          SO IT DID SPEND MOST OF OUR BUDGET THERE. 
          OKAY, BUT WHAT'S OUR PROJECTED SURPLUS RIGHT NOW, BARBARA? UH, LET ME HAVE STERLING ANSWER THAT, BUT I WAS GONNA SAY WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE BUDGETS MM-HMM . 
          AND SEE LIKE, BECAUSE THE SURPLUS IS OFTEN MORE CASH COMING IN THAT WE CAN'T SPEND BECAUSE IT'S HIGHER THAN THE EXPENDITURE BUDGET. 
          BUT WE CAN LOOK AT THE BUDGETS AND SEE LIKE WHO HAS SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS THAT COULD CONTRIBUTE AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE TENTATIVE BUDGET, WE CAN LET YOU KNOW LIKE, HEY, WE REDUCED THIS, THIS, AND THIS BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO DO IT IN THIS YEAR. 
          I LIKE HOW YOU THINK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, WHERE AM I HERE? OKAY. 
          THUMBS UP. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ALL IN FAVOR? THUMBS UP. 
          UNANIMOUS. 
          SO, YEP, YEP. 
          AND ON THE HUB, SAME THING, BARBARA. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SORRY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          ANY, ANYTHING WE ARE ABLE TO, GIVEN THAT THAT'S YOUR DIRECTION, WE WILL TRY TO DO IT WILL REDUCE OBVIOUSLY THE SURPLUS, UM, BUT DOING THAT IS NOT, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HURT ANYTHING. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA CAUSE ANY, ANY FINANCIAL STRAIN FOR THE CITY. 
          I THINK THE SMALLER ITEMS WILL BE THE ONES THAT WE'LL TRY TO ADDRESS FIRST OR THE ONES THAT ARE THE EASIEST TO DO AND GET FINISHED BY JUNE 30TH BECAUSE THAT'S IDEAL. 
          SO, BUT ABSOLUTELY WE CAN TRY TO DO AS, AS MANY OF THE SMALL THINGS AS WE CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THE DEAD TREE REMOVAL, DID YOU THAT'S PUBLIC WORKS. 
          WE, WE DIDN'T VOTE ON HUB. 
          I THOUGHT WE DID. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THE HUB UPGRADE VICE MAYOR KATHY? YEAH. 
          YEAH, IT WAS UP, IT WAS UP AND ALREADY DOWN. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UNANIMOUS JOE. 
          OKAY. 
          DEAD TREE REMOVAL NOW. 
          UH, PROJECT FIREWISE, ANY DISPUTE? KATHY, SAME THING. 
          CAN IT GO TO 25? I I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN COMPLETE THE WORK BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE 30TH. 
          I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY FOR THE ARBORIST IF I RECALL. 
          THEY'RE ALREADY DOING THE WORK AND I DON'T THINK WE COULD HIRE AND HAVE AN ARBORIST DO THE OKAY. 
          UH, FITNESS EQUIPMENT FOR SUNSET AND GRAY BACK. 
          UH, PARK. 
          MAY OR MAY I ASK A QUESTION? DID YOU ALL AGREE ON THE WE DID. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I THOUGHT I WAS CLEAR. 
          DEAD TREE DID ON THE, THE DEAD TREE ROOM REMOVAL? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          FITNESS EQUIPMENT FOR SUNSET PARK. 
          I'VE GOT SOME WEIGHTS I CAN GIVE YOU. 
          . 
          YEAH, I'M, I I DON'T KNOW IF I'M WHERE I AM WITH THAT. 
          UM, UH, IS THERE QUESTIONS IN PARTICULAR WITH THAT ONE GRAY BACK? YEAH. 
          THE FITNESS EQUIPMENT? YES. 
          SO THAT IS, IT WOULD BE LIKE ADULT FITNESS EQUIPMENT FOR SUNSET PARK AND GRAY BACK PARK WITH THE SUNSET PARK. 
          IN ADDITION TO THE NEW PLAYGROUND THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WITH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, THIS WOULD ADD A FITNESS AREA FOR ADULTS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE AT RANGER STATION, BUT NOT THE WOODEN TYPE STRUCTURE. 
          AND SO IT'S KIND OF FOLLOWING THOSE BEST PRACTICES THAT PARENTS ARE THEN ABLE TO DO SOME FITNESS EQUIPMENT, GET A LITTLE WORKOUT WALK IN WHILE THE KIDS ARE PLAYING ON THE PLAYGROUND RATHER THAN SITTING ON THE BENCH. 
          I MEAN, KIDS ARE, PARENTS ARE GONNA LEAVE THEIR KIDS ON THE PLAYGROUND WHERE THEY'RE GONNA WALK AROUND THE PARK? NO, I DON'T KNOW. 
          AS LONG AS THEY COME BACK. 
          EVEN THE CHIEF HAS THAT EXPRESSION ON HER FACE SAYS, EH, NOT TOO GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND JOSH, HOW MUCH PUBLIC SUPPORT HAS YOU IN CONVERSATIONS YOU'VE HAD? DOES THIS HAVE YEAH, QUITE A BIT. 
          UM, THERE ARE THOSE THAT GET REALLY APPRECIATED AT RANGER STATION PARK FROM DIFFERENT GROUPS AT POSSE GROUNDS PARK. 
          IT'S ALWAYS, THERE'S BEEN QUITE A FEW COMMENTS ON, IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE IF THE FITNESS EQUIPMENT WAS CLOSER TO THE PLAYGROUND SO I COULD LET MY KID PLAY ON THE PARK WHILE I'M DOING THE WORKOUT EQUIPMENT. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE THOUGHT WITH SUNSET, THAT IT'S PUTTING THE FITNESS EQUIPMENT RIGHT NEXT TO THOSE PLAYGROUND PIECES SO THE PARENTS ARE ABLE TO USE THOSE. 
          THE PART FOR GRAY BACK PARK IS THAT'S, AS MANY OF YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, A LITTLE UNUSED KIND OF POCKET PARK THAT JUST SITS BY ITSELF WITH A BENCH IN A LITTLE WALKING SPACE. 
          IT'S A RESIDENT THAT LIVES OVER THERE THAT PARTICULARLY HAS BEEN ASKING FOR IT AS WE'RE PUTTING IN THE NEW SHARED USE PATH THAT'LL GO RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT AND HAVING LIKE PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT OF PURPOSE TO THE PARK, THAT IT HAS A LITTLE FITNESS ZONE THERE AS PEOPLE ARE WALKING DOWN THE SHARED USE PATH OR RESIDENTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND JUSTIN CESAR LUMPED TOGETHER, HOW MUCH OF THE WHOPPING $21,300 WOULD GRAY BACK WOULD GO TO GRAY BACK. 
          THAT WOULD BE 2,300 FOR THE EQUIPMENT AND THEN PART OF THAT 6,400 INSTALL COST. 
          SO PROBABLY, AND THIS COULDN'T LIVE IN 
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THE USAGE OF THAT PARK AND TIE INTO THE SHARED USE PATH, WE SHOULD EXPECT THERE'D BE MORE TRAFFIC GOING BY THERE. 
          FOOT TRAFFIC, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. 
          YES. 
          OKIE DOKE. 
          I EXPECT TO HEAR A REPORT FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBER OF HOW OFTEN SHE USES IT AFTER IT GOES UP . 
          YEAH, I WOULD BE, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          AS OFTEN AS I USED TO USE THE FITNESS TRAIL ON POSSE GROUNDS, WHICH WAS OKAY, KATHY, SO LET'S CAN A THUMB UP A THUMB DOWN PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          JOSH, CAN I JUST SAY YOU REALLY THINK THROUGH THESE THINGS AND GIVE US VERY GOOD RATIONALE. 
          WELL, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING ALL THESE THINGS. 
          YOU'RE MAKING OUR PARTS PARKS GREAT. 
          WELL, NO, YOU ARE MAKING THE PARKS GREAT AND YOUR STAFF ARE JUST AMAZING. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          39 LDC UPDATE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          STEVE MUST HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB SELLING IT. 
          OKAY. 
          PROCURED PRODUCTS AND WASTE AUDIT SUSTAINABILITY. 
          I'M NOT CONVINCED AT ALL. 
          WE ARE UNANIMOUSLY AGAINST JOE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IMPLEMENTATION PLAN OF THE WESTERN GATEWAY MASTER PLAN. 
          CAN WE TALK ABOUT THIS? MAYOR, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT, WHAT'S THE GAME PLAN? IKE, WE'RE, WE'RE SO FAR OUT OF OUR ELEMENT ON SOMETHING THIS BIG, IKE THIS IS TO GET THE EXPERTS TO HELP WITH THE NEXT PART OF THIS. 
          ONCE WE KNOW, UM, IF THE COUNT, WELL, LET'S JUST SAY IF YOU DON'T ADOPT THE MASTER PLAN AND YOU DECIDE NOT TO PURSUE THAT, THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN. 
          BUT IF YOU DO, THEN WE NEED THE DEVELOPMENT EXPERTISE FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE BEST PATH FOR PHASING THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SHOULD WE LEASE THE LAND TO PEOPLE, CARVE IT OFF AND SELL IT? SHOULD WE, UH, AND TEST THOSE, UM, UH, PRODUCTS, SO TO SPEAK, UM, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ON WHAT CAN BE BUILT AND WHAT THEY, UM, RECOMMEND TO YOU BEFORE YOU PURSUE SELECTING DEVELOPERS, ET CETERA. 
          SO THIS IS THE DEEP DIVE ON THE, UM, HOW TO ACTUALLY BRING IT TO LIFE. 
          AND WHAT IS, IS, SORRY, ANNETTE, IS THIS JUST LIKE MORE FROM DIG STUDIOS? IS THIS JUST LIKE ANOTHER PROJECT FROM THEM OR? NO, WE WOULD GO OUT TO SELECT SOMEBODY. 
          MAYBE THEY'LL BID ON IT, MAYBE, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE WE HAVE NOT MADE ANY PROMISES TO MM-HMM . 
          AND, AND IS IT REALLY A CONSULTANT OR, OR IS IT REALLY GOING TO A DEVELOPER THAT'S ACTUALLY DONE IT RATHER THAN SOMEBODY WHO JUST WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT IT. 
          AND, AND I WANNA HEAR WHAT COUNCILOR FURMAN HAS TO SAY ABOUT THIS. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW HE'S BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FROM, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER, UH, THOUGHT LEADERSHIP PERSPECTIVE ON, ON GETTING US SMART ON THIS. 
          OH, STEVE'S HERE TOO. 
          SORRY. 
          CHIME. 
          CAN I READ YOU AN EMAIL I GOT THIS MORNING? ON THIS SUBJECT MORNING. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU, THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL TO ENGAGE OUTSIDE ASSISTANCE WHEN PLANNING THE WESTERN GATEWAY. 
          WE HAVE A LEGACY ASSET IN THE CULTURAL PARK AND I APPLAUD COUNCIL FOR TAKING THE BRAVE STEPS NEEDED TO SECURE IT. 
          WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GET THIS RIGHT. 
          IT'S WAY BIGGER THAN MOST PEOPLE. 
          IMAGINE INSPIRATION, WHICH IS THAT PROJECT IN COTTONWOOD ACROSS FROM THE HOSPITAL. 
          SOME 200 PLUS UNITS COSTS, I'VE HEARD AROUND $225,000 PER UNIT TO INSTRUCT. 
          IF WE'RE CONTEMPLATING 500 UNITS, THAT ALONE IS $112 MILLION PLUS INFRASTRUCTURE, ROADS, SIDEWALKS, LANDSCAPING. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT A $200 MILLION PROJECT, NO OFFENSE TO STAFF, BUT THIS PROJECT NEEDS PROFESSIONALS WITH EXPERIENCE IN MASTER PLAN TO COMMUNITIES. 
          THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO, YES, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          UM, AGAIN, I WOULD CLARIFY THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE CITY'S INTENT TO BUILD ALL OF THIS WITH THE CITY'S OWN FUNDING, UM, BUT TO DO THE PARTNERSHIPS WHERE OTHER FOLKS WOULD COME IN WITH FUNDING TO DEVELOP THESE HOUSING UNITS OR THE COMMERCIAL SPACE OR WHATEVER. 
          AND SO THIS FIRM PERSON, WHOEVER IT'S GONNA BE THAT WE CONTRACT WITH, AND I GUESS I WOULD THROW A DEVELOPER IN THE BUCKET OF CONSULTANT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA ADVISE YOU ON FINANCING STRATEGIES AND PHASING AND WHAT, UM, YOU CAN DO THERE. 
          WHAT TO PUT OUT FOR RFP AND WHAT TO ASK FOR AND ALL OF THOSE, ALL OF THAT. 
          BECAUSE I AGREE WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT IN HOUSE. 
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SO I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU DON'T, IT'S EASIER IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK HIM ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THIS IS, THIS WILL BE CRITICAL TO ACTUALLY MAKING YOUR CONCEPT COME TO LIFE, UM, IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. 
          YEAH. 
          HELLO COUNSEL. 
          UM, ANNETTE DID A GREAT JOB, UH, MUCH BETTER NECK COULD HAVE THAN OF, UH, EXPLAINING THAT I HAVE ALREADY TALKED TO FIRMS THAT DO THIS SORT OF WORK. 
          AND, UM, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I DON'T THINK ANNETTE MENTIONED WAS THEY WOULD ALSO HELP US IN WAYS OF TRYING TO FUND, UH, THE WORK BEING DONE. 
          AND THEY DO MARKET STUDIES. 
          THEY DO, UH, THEY HAVE, UM, UH, UH, UH, THEY SURVEY DEVELOPERS. 
          THEY, THEY DO FEASIBILITY STUDIES ON WHAT CAN REALLY HAPPEN HERE. 
          UM, THE, THE MASTER PLAN IS GONNA GIVE US PARAMETERS. 
          THEY'RE GONNA SAY WHICH OF THOSE PARAMETERS ARE REALLY GONNA BE ABLE TO WORK HERE. 
          UM, AND HOW DO WE GET TO THAT POINT? UM, SO, UH, YES, I'M OBVIOUSLY ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS. 
          YOU MEAN YOU CAN'T KNOCK THIS OUT WITH YOUR STAFF AND LIKE ON THE WEEKEND? TWO WEEKENDS. 
          TWO WEEKENDS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, PETE, TO TO BRIAN'S QUESTION. 
          I MEAN, MY, MY THOUGHT HERE IS THAT WAITING FOR THIS INPUT AFTER OUR MASTER PLAN IS DONE IS, IS LACKING. 
          I THINK WE NEED SOME OTHER OUTSIDE INPUT AS WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THE MASTER PLAN FIRST. 
          AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IS IT IN THE RANGES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT IS DO YOU NEED MORE OR LESS COMMERCIAL? IT'S JUST NOT BUILDABLE IF YOU DO THIS OR YOU DON'T DO THAT, AND IS 200 HOMES THE MOST YOU'LL EVER BE ABLE TO BUILD THERE? OR IS IT WE CAN'T DO ANY PROJECT WITHOUT 800 HOMES AND THAT MIGHT INFLUENCE WHAT THE MASTER PLAN WILL OR WILL. 
          SO IT, TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE WE NEED SOME INPUT BEFORE. 
          AND COUNSELOR FURMAN, THAT IS PART OF WHAT DIG IS GOING TO BE DOING FOR YOU IN THEIR CURRENT CONTRACT IS TESTING AND USING A DEVELOPER FORUM AS THE CONCEPT'S BEING DEVELOPED TO GIVE YOU THAT FEEDBACK. 
          SO THAT'S ALREADY, THAT'S ALREADY PART OF WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO. 
          I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD THE CONFIRMATION OF THAT. 
          I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED AND, AND DIG IS INVOLVED IN ULI, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE, I BELIEVE THAT'S 5.5 OF THEIR CONTRACT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT IS ALREADY IN THE CURRENT SCOPE OF WORK FOR THEM TO DO THAT FOR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          GO TO BRIAN. 
          IS, IS THE DEVELOPER FORUM SOMETHING THAT, UH, INQUIRING MINDS COULD LISTEN IN ON? LIKE, IS, IS THAT A PUBLICLY AVAILABLE EVENT OR IS THAT TERM REALLY REFERRED TO MULTIPLE ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS THAT, UH, DIG IS HAVING WITH PEOPLE? THEY NOW I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT, SO I'M GONNA LET STEVE ANSWER IT. 
          SO THE DEVELOPER FORM ITSELF WAS NOT, NOT SPECIFIED IN THE CONTRACT. 
          UM, THEIR, THEY WERE GONNA GIVE US A HIGH LEVEL, UH, BASED UPON THEIR, UH, EXPERIENCE AND THEY MIGHT PULL IN SOME PARTNERS TO TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, BUT UH, I CAN ACTUALLY READ THAT PART OF THE CONTRACT IF YOU'D LIKE. 
          UM, I, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, JAY HICKS TOLD ME THAT HE WAS GOING TO DO A DEVELOPER FOR HIM, SO, OH, OKAY. 
          I GUESS IF THAT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY IN THE CONTRACT, I'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH HIM ON THAT. 
          BUT THAT WAS PART OF WHAT THEY TALKED TO US ABOUT AS UM, 'CAUSE I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ALONG THESE LINES OF LIKE, WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR INFORMATION TO HELP THE COUNCIL ALONG WITH THE PROCESS, UM, IN FLUSHING OUT THE MASTER PLAN. 
          AND THAT WAS PART OF WHAT HE TALKED ABOUT WAS TESTING ALL OF THESE CONCEPTS, LIKE HOW MUCH COMMERCIAL WOULD SOMEBODY REALLY THINK WE COULD FILL IN THERE AND UM, ALL OF THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS PLAN. 
          PERHAPS IT IS JUST ONE-ON-ONES, BUT HE CALLED IT A FORUM, WHICH MADE ME THINK IT WAS LIKE A GROUP. 
          WE GOOD? OKAY. 
          OR IN SUPPORT. 
          THUMBS UP, UNANIMOUS. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          STEVE. 
          DID, IS THIS NUMBER BASED ON CONVERSATIONS YOU'VE ACTUALLY HAD OR? IT ACTUALLY IS, YES. 
          UM, AND, UH, THE, THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD, AND I ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, A PROPOSAL IF YOU WILL, UM, THAT WAS IN THE $120,000 RANGE. 
          I'VE ALSO HAD, UM, TALKS WITH OTHERS THAT PUT IT MORE IN THE $150,000 RANGE, BUT THEN AS WE KNOW, UM, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. 
          SO, UH, HONESTLY I TOOK THE HIGH, THE HIGH END OF THAT. 
          NO, THAT'S GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THE EXUS NUMBER FIVE, TWO, 
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UH, FULL-TIME SECURITY COURT OFFICER. 
          ANY DISCUSSION SUPPORTING THUMBS UP? YOU NOW UNANIMOUS IN SUPPORT LARGE GRANT PROGRAM? THAT'S SOMETHING QUESTION BEFORE WE START THAT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH IS STERLING, HAVE YOU BEEN KEEPING THE NUMBERS? DO WE KNOW BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT A $200,000 PROGRAM, DO WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF THE, WHAT WE SAID YES AND NO TO? YEAH, CURRENTLY WE, UH, ARE SITTING AT 3.8 MILLION IN APPROVED DECISION PACKAGES. 
          WE STILL HAVE FOUR MORE TO GO. 
          UM, ADDING THAT TO THE CIP BUDGET, THE TOTAL EXPENDITURE FOR THE CITY RIGHT NOW HAS GONE UP FROM INITIALLY 1 0 2 WE'RE AT $104 MILLION AS OPPOSED TO, WHAT WAS THE NUMBER IN WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS WAS 102 MILLION. 
          SO WE ADDED MILLION. 
          ABOUT 2 MILLION. 
          2 MILLION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET IS 1 0 6. 
          SO YOU'RE STILL BELOW THE FY 25 BUDGET AMOUNT AT 1 0 4. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE 2 MILLION BELOW. 
          OKAY. 
          Y 25 BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, SO WHO'S GONNA ADDRESS THE, UH, LARGE GRANTS? I WILL DO THAT. 
          MAYOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, OUT OF YOUR RETREAT, UM, YOU ASKED ME TO GO AND LOOK AT, UM, UH, SOME SORT OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY FOR LARGE ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND SO THIS DECISION PACKAGE IS THAT OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT WHETHER YOU WOULD LIKE TO DESIGNATE A POOL OF FUNDS FOR LARGE GRANT, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATIONS, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE CURRENT SMALL GRANT PROGRAM. 
          SO I PUT $200,000 IN MY, UM, ESTIMATE HERE AS A PLACEHOLDER FOR YOUR CONVERSATION. 
          UM, THE FOLKS THAT ORIGINALLY REACHED OUT TO YOU HAVE PROPOSED SOMETHING I THINK LIKE IN THE THREE 50 RANGE. 
          BUT AGAIN, I CAME AT THIS, UH, EXERCISE VERY CONSERVATIVELY ON LIKE ALL MY RECOMMENDATIONS, ALL THE STAFFING, ALL THE CIP AND LIKEWISE, UM, PUT IN A SMALLER NUMBER FOR THIS. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REASON WHY THIS CAME TO YOU, UM, I CAN TRY TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY ON THAT. 
          UM, THE, UH, DIRECTION YOU COULD GIVE HERE IS, UM, YES, WE WANT TO CREATE A SEPARATE GRANT APPLICATION PROGRAM FOR LARGE OR ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATIONS AND LET ME KNOW THE DOLLAR AMOUNT YOU'D LIKE SET ASIDE FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD IMPLEMENT LIKE AN APPLICATION PROCESS AND BRING CONTRACTS BACK TO YOU FOR THOSE THAT, UM, ARE RECOMMENDED FOR AWARD, JUST LIKE WE DO FOR THE SMALL GRANT PROGRAM. 
          AND I COULD BRING BACK A, UM, LIST OF CRITERIA, ET CETERA, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          BUT FOR THE BUDGET PURPOSES, IT'S JUST WHETHER YOU WOULD LIKE TO START THAT PROGRAM NEXT YEAR, HOW MUCH MONEY YOU WOULD WANNA SET ASIDE FOR IT. 
          KATHY, THANK YOU. 
          SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS WAS REALLY DRIVEN BECAUSE OF REQUESTS THAT CAME FROM TWO, UH, ORGANIZATIONS THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE SMALL GRANT PROGRAM AND THE GENERAL FEELING THAT THAT WASN'T REALLY AN APPROPRIATE FIT ANYMORE AND THEREFORE THIS CORRECT. 
          SO, BUT WE HAD THOSE TWO IN MIND OR YOU HAD THOSE TWO IN MIND. 
          UM, BUT HOW MANY OTHER POTENTIAL ORGANIZATIONS, LIKE SOMEBODY LIKE THE SYMPHONY, WOULD THEY BE SOMEBODY WHO COULD BE COMPETING IN THIS POT? ARE WE CREATING ANOTHER POT? I I I I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT, WELL, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE SURE, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 
          IS THIS SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING TO DEDICATE TO A CERTAIN TYPE, VERY SPECIFIC NARROW COUPLE OF ORGANIZATIONS OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE BROADER? UM, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT THE OVERALL IMPACT WILL BE AS IS IT GONNA GROW? SO MY RECOLLECTION FROM THE DISCUSSION AT THE RETREAT WAS THAT, UM, IT WAS RELATED TO, UM, ORGANIZATIONS THAT, UM, HAVE EVENTS AND, UM, A TOURIST ATTRACTION DRAW THAT, UM, GENERATES REVENUE THROUGH SALES TAX, BED TAX, WHATEVER. 
          SO BASED ON JUST THAT LIMITED, UM, DESCRIPTION, IN MY MIND, ANY ENTITY THAT IS PUTTING ON A LARGE SCALE EVENT THAT HA HAS AN IMPACT ON TAX REVENUE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY. 
          UM, BUT 
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THE ORIGINAL REQUEST CAME FROM JUST TWO ORGANIZATIONS, BUT I DON'T, I GUESS I'D HAVE TO LOOK TO KURT. 
          I THINK WE'D HAVE TO EITHER, IF YOU WANTED TO FUND SPECIFIC ORGANIZATIONS, THEN I THINK THEY WOULD FALL UNDER THAT COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACT LIST WITH VERY SPECIFIC DELIVERABLES BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE TO DO KIND OF THING. 
          OR IF YOU'RE GOING TO, UM, OR IF YOU WANT TO, UM, HAVE A PROGRAM LIKE THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM WHERE YOU'RE ALLOWING ANYBODY TO APPLY THAT MEETS A CERTAIN CRITERIA AND THEN BASED ON THEIR SCORING OR WHATEVER THEY GET RECOMMENDED. 
          AND, UM, I, BUT I THINK THERE ARE OTHER ENTITIES IN SEDONA THAT DO LARGE EVENTS THAT HAVE A DRAW FOR SALES AND BED TAX THAT WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO BE ELIGIBLE AS WELL. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION VERY WELL. 
          YOU ARE, AND I HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP TO IT, BUT IS THIS LIMITED TO ARTS AND CULTURE? YES. 
          THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION AT THE RETREAT. 
          AND I ACTUALLY JUST ADD SOMETHING FROM ANNETTE. 
          IT WAS ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU MENTIONED THE SYM. 
          WAS THAT WHAT YOU YEAH, WELL YOU SHOULD NOW THE SYMPHONY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IS IT LIKE A ONE-OFF, TWO OFF FOR THE WHOLE YEAR? THESE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE THINGS CONTINUOUSLY DURING THE COURSE OF A YEAR. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST A ONE OFF. 
          THE SYMPHONY DOES TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          CONTINUOUSLY DURING THE COURSE OF A YEAR, THEY HAVE TWO SEASONS THAT THEY RUN. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THESE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE SOMETHING CONTINUOUSLY FOR THE WHOLE YEAR. 
          SO, UH, THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          SO, UH, VICE MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STEPHANIE ON DOWN WRONG. 
          STEPHANIE. 
          HI STEPHANIE. 
          WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU. 
          WE GAVE YOU YOUR MONEY. 
          . 
          REALLY? OKAY. 
          WELL THAT'S THE ONE WITH THE GUN ON. 
          SHE GOT THE GUN. 
          SHE GETS THE MONEY. 
          OH, I'M ALSO STEPPING, UH, HAS THE, THE SMALL GRANT PROGRAM IS CLOSED FOR THE YEAR, RIGHT? YES. 
          THE, UH, APPLICATIONS WERE IN APRIL 30TH. 
          HOW MUCH MONEY WAS ASKED FOR? I DO NOT KNOW THAT, BUT I CAN, UH, IF, IF YOU WISH TO QUERY CHRISTIE, SHE WOULD HAVE, SHE COULD PUT THAT NUMBER TOGETHER FOR YOU. 
          I THINK THERE WERE 35 REQUESTS. 
          UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT. 
          SHE'S LOOKING  . 
          OKAY. 
          WELL JUST CAME IN. 
          GIVE US THAT NUMBER. 
          'CAUSE IT, I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE, BECAUSE I THINK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, THE TWO ORGANIZATIONS WE TALKED TO TAKE THE LION'S SHARE OF THAT BUDGET AND THE OTHERS ARE ALL MUCH SMALLER AND THAT WE DID A LARGE GRANTS PROGRAM WOULD INCREASE THE CAP, THE ABILITY OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS TO GET MORE MONEY. 
          POTENTIALLY. 
          YES. 
          ACTUALLY, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE OTHER ORGAN ARTS ORGANIZATION ARTS, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE PONTA, OR, WHICH IS NOT THE PONTA ANYMORE, IT HAS A NEW NAME, BUT, UH, WOULD BE, UH, CHAMBER MUSIC. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY HAVE A, A QUITE A LARGE PROGRAM AND THEY DO, UH, THEY DO GENERALLY GET A PRETTY GOOD PORTION OF THE ALLOCATED FUNDS. 
          THOSE WOULD BE THE ONLY ONES. 
          THERE'S, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THOSE ARE THE LARGE ONES. 
          THE TWO I'M SURE THAT ARE ON YOUR LIST. 
          YEAH. 
          THE SEDONA ARTS CENTER AND THE SEDONA. 
          DO YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT YOU FUND? NO. 
          INDIVIDUAL? NO, WE DO NOT. 
          WE, UM, WE TRY TO MAKE IT, UH, AS RELATIVELY FAIR AS POSSIBLE WITH THE FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, ENSURING THAT THE ORGANIZATION HAS ENOUGH TO CARRY OUT THE PROGRAM THAT THEY WISH TO EXECUTE. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO JUST GIVE THEM A SMALL DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT ISN'T GOING TO, TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM THE, THE RESOURCES THEY NEED TO DO THE PROGRAM. 
          SO WE ENCOURAGE SCALABILITY, UH, AS BEING ONE OF THE ELEMENTS. 
          BUT THE LARGER, THE LARGER FUNDING, THOSE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE LEARNED THROUGH TIME PRETTY MUCH HOW TO, UM, UH, CRAFT THEIR PROGRAM. 
          UH, IN ORDER TO, TO GET THE MOST OUT OF OUR, OUT OF THE SMALL GRANTS PROCESSES POSSIBLE. 
          THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF THE CHAMBER MUSIC AND THESE OTHER THINGS THAT BECAUSE, UH, THE FINANCIAL ENGINE PART OF THE PROGRAM HAS DROPPED OFF THE SMALL GRANTS RADAR AS BEING A, A PRIORITY FOR FUNDING. 
          UH, THEY HAVE CRAFTED THEIR PROGRAMS TO COME ASK FOR PROGRAMS FROM THE CITY THAT SUPPORT THE SCHOOLS THAT, UM, PUT OUT, UM, ELEMENTS THAT WILL ALLOW PEOPLE THAT WOULDN'T ORDINARILY BE ABLE TO ATTEND 
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A FULL TICKET, UH, CONCERT TO GIVE THEM THE EXPERIENCE WITHOUT THE EXPENSE. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THE SMALL GRANTS PROCESS LOOKS FOR. 
          THEY STEER AWAY FROM THE FINANCIAL, UH, BENEFITS TO THE CITY BECAUSE OF THE RECENT CHANGE IN THE, OUR, UH, THE CITY'S FOCUS FOR, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, DRIVING MORE BODIES HERE. 
          BASICALLY. 
          THE OTHER THING, I, CHRISTIE HAS AN ANSWER. 
          CHRISTIE HAS AN ANSWER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAD, WE HAVE 35 APPLICANTS AND THE TOTAL THAT'S BEING ASKED FOR IS 560,000 AND ARE, WHAT IS THE AMOUNT? 3 53 50. 
          53 50. 
          AND WERE THE LARGE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSFERRING IN THAT ASK? YEAH. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          MY RECOMMENDATION TO THEM WAS TO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE TO APPLY BECAUSE I COULDN'T GUARANTEE THAT THIS PROGRAM WOULD BE APPROVED OR HOW THAT WOULD WORK. 
          SO THAT THEY SHOULD, AND ALSO THAT IF THIS PROGRAM'S APPROVED AND THEY ENDED UP, UM, APPLYING FOR AND GETTING AN AWARD, THEY COULD, UM, CONSIDER WHETHER TO WITHDRAW THEIR REQUEST FROM THE SMALL GRANT PROGRAM AND MAKE ROOM FOR ANOTHER GRANT. 
          AND IF THEY DID WITHDRAW, WOULD WE BE WITHIN THE $350,000 BUDGET? ONE MOMENT. 
          I DOUBT IT. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE I DOUBT THEY'VE ASKED FOR $200,000 IN THE SMALL GRANT. 
          THEY TYPICALLY, I THINK IT'S MORE LIKE 40 TO 50. 
          WE HAVE AN ANSWER. 
          IF, IF THEY BOTH WITH WITHDREW, WE WOULD BE AT 425. 
          OKAY. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT I RECALL FROM OUR DISCUSSIONS DURING THE RETREAT IS THAT WE CURRENTLY DON'T ALLOW THE CITY FUNDS TO BE USED FOR OPERATIONS. 
          IT HAS TO BE USED FOR SPECIFIC EVENT OR PROGRAM. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          IT IS, IT IS PROGRAMS SPECIFIC. 
          IF THERE ARE, UM, OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WILL, THAT, THAT ARE DEDICATED DIRECTLY TO THAT PROGRAM, THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS PART OF THEIR FUNDABLE BUDGET. 
          BUT THEN THAT ONCE THAT PROGRAM IS EXECUTED, THOSE COSTS WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED FROM THE OVERALL ORGANIZATION'S OPERATING BUDGET. 
          SO THE OTHER THING THAT THE TWO ORGANIZATIONS HAD REQUESTED WAS THAT THE FUNDS BE ALLOWED FOR THEIR OPERATIONS. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S THE MONEY THAT THEY WERE LOSING FROM THE BOTH. 
          AND YOU ALL MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THAT THE NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE ARTS IS ZERO FUNDED AND THE COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS IN ARIZONA MAY BE ZERO FUNDED AS WELL. 
          'CAUSE THEY GET A VAST MAJORITY OF THEIR MONEY FROM THE NEA AND THEREFORE THE HIT TO THE OPERATIONAL BUDGETS OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS, IT'S GOING TO BE LARGE . 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          SO THOSE IN SUPPORT OF HAVING THIS LARGE GRANT, UH, THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN. 
          I'M TIRED. 
          1, 2 4. 
          THREE FOUR. 
          WAIT, HAVE A OH, FOUR THREE. 
          FOUR THREE. 
          YEP. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA START FUNDING THE OPERATIONS OF ORGANIZATIONS. 
          I I DON'T GET THAT. 
          I DO NOT GET THAT. 
          AND, AND THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF NEED, A WHOLE LOT OF CUT OF FUNDS AND IT'S TO ORGANIZATIONS THAT SUPPORT BASIC LIFE SERVING NEEDS, LIKE FOOD, SHELTER, ET CETERA. 
          AND WE'RE NOT CONTEMPLATING ANYTHING FOR THOSE TYPES OF ORGANIZATIONS PER SE. 
          UH, I KNOW THERE'S AN ITEM COMING UP THAT MAY PERHAPS TOUCH ON THAT, BUT I, FUNDING THE ONGOING OPERATIONS LIKE THIS, UH, IN THIS CATEGORY DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR. 
          I THINK THAT THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF ORGANIZATIONS GOING, WELL, WHAT ABOUT ME? AND THE THE DIFFERENCE IS THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE GUMPTION TO GO ASK. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, MY HAT'S OFF TO THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE BOLD ENOUGH TO COME AND ASK FOR THE MONEY. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S INHERENTLY UNFAIR. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE MISSING THE MARK OF WHERE THE NEED MAY WELL BE MORE, UH, SEVERE IN THE MONTHS AND YEARS TO COME. 
          SO, SO I, I, I'LL ACCEPT WHATEVER THE END DECISION IS. 
          OF COURSE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST TOUCH ON THAT A BIT. 
          IF I, IF YOU DON'T MIND. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME ORGANIZATIONS BRING MORE PEOPLE TO, TO THE CITY. 
          IF WE'RE COMMITTED TO THE ARTS, UH, WHICH I AM, AND MANY OF US ARE HERE, AND WE WANNA BRING IN PEOPLE WHO REALLY MEET THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT WE WANT TO BRING IN, WHICH ARE ART RELATED. 
          UH, HOPEFULLY THEY, THEY STAY LONGER IN OUR, IN OUR CITIES. 
          YOU'VE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE, BUT I THINK BOTH OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS, UH, WOULD BE BRINGING THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE HERE. 
          AND THEY DO GENERATE A 
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LOT IN, IN SALES TAX, WHICH WE COULD USE ON THE OTHER END. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I SUPPORTED THAT. 
          KATHY, YOU BIT, I I, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, CONVINCED ME IS TAKING THEM OUT OF THE COMPETITION MM-HMM . 
          FOR SOME OF THE SMALLER GROUPS THAT HAVE BEEN GETTING HURT AND HAVE GOTTEN SMALLER AWARDS BECAUSE THE POOL HAS BEEN SO BIG. 
          SO I, I JUST SEE THAT THERE IS A CORRELATION THERE THAT CONTRIBUTED TO MY OVERALL THINKING. 
          IT'S NOT THE ONLY REASON, BUT IT WAS A CONTRIBUTOR LAST YEAR. 
          WE WENT FROM, WHAT, 200 TO THREE 50? IT'S TWO YEARS AGO, I THINK. 
          HAS IT REALLY BEEN THAT LONG ALREADY? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          I REMEMBER PUSHING FOR, BUMPING THAT BUDGET UP. 
          IN FACT, I WAS WILLING TO DOUBLE IT TO 400. 
          RIGHT? BUT NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING THREE 50 ESSENTIALLY TO FIVE 50. 
          IF WE LOOK AT GRANTS OVERALL, UM, YOU REALLY WANNA DO THAT. 
          I, MY THOUGHTS IN THIS, UH, WAS I WAS REALLY TORN ABOUT THIS AND STILL AM. 
          UH, AND MY MAJOR MESSAGE IS I WOULD REALLY PUT A CAUTION OUT THERE FOR ANY ORGANIZATION TO USE IT AS OPERATING DOLLARS. 
          IT, IT COULD GO NEXT YEAR. 
          I MEAN, IT IS VOLATILE AS ALL HECK AND I JUST WOULDN'T APPLY. 
          AND I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE RECONSIDERED. 
          BUT I THINK PEOPLE ARE SMART ENOUGH AND IF THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO. 
          I THINK ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT I WANNA PUT OUT HERE IS THAT I THINK WE'RE STILL, YES, WE'RE ANIMATED BY THE ARTS AND SO OKAY. 
          ABOUT ARTS AND CULTURE 'CAUSE WE'VE HAD A LONG-TERM CONNECTION. 
          BUT I THINK I, THERE'S A FUTURE CONVERSATION AND IT GOES TO LAUREN REALLY, THAT WE NOT JUST LOOK AT OUR TOURISM SPEND ABOUT BROADCAST MARKETING, BUT WE THINK ABOUT THE EVENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND THE PEOPLE THAT COME AND SPEND MONEY HERE MIGHT BE AS GOOD OF INVESTMENT AS ANY OF THE BROADCAST MARKETING THAT WE'RE DOING. 
          AND SO THIS EVENT THING, ALTHOUGH I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE SAYING THIS IS ARTS AND CULTURE, AND SO THE NEW EVENT WHERE WE GO FIND ALL THE RATTLESNAKES IN TOWN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS MIGHT NOT BE ARTS AND CULTURE, BUT THAT IS A, A TASK FOR OUR FUTURE. 
          THINKING ABOUT OUR TOURISM SPEND, ABOUT WHERE THIS, WHAT WE DO WITH MONEY. 
          DEREK. 
          SO I, I, I HAD HALF OF MINE TO MAYBE ASK FOR A RECONSIDER THE VOTE SINCE I WAS IN THE POSITIVE. 
          BUT I THINK I'M GONNA LET IT, THE WARNING STAND AT, DON'T USE IT FOR OPERATIONAL DOLLARS. 
          YOU WILL FIND YOURSELF IN A PROBLEM. 
          YOU'VE GONE ALREADY. 
          UH, DEREK, I WOULD JUST RATHER SEE THE MONEY THAT 200,000 GO INTO THE GRANTS PROGRAM SO THAT OTHER GROUPS CAN COMPETE FOR IT RATHER THAN SETTING, BASICALLY SETTING ASIDE 200,000 FOR A COUPLE OF GROUPS AND SAYING, OKAY, YOU GUYS CAN TAKE THIS CHUNK AND THEN WE'LL LET EVERYBODY ELSE FIGHT OVER EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHY I VOTED KNOW. 
          UM, I AM AS CONVINCED AS, AS, UH, PETE IS THOUGH THAT THE MONEY SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR OPERATION SINCE THE PROGRAM HASN'T YET BEEN DESIGNED. 
          THIS WAS TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR DESIGNING A PROGRAM. 
          AGAIN, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE LOSING THE MONEY ON OPERATIONS SIDE, BUT IF THIS MONEY GOES TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO TO, TO THE PROGRAMS WITHOUT THE, UM, PERSONNEL SUPPORT, IT'S STILL TAKING A BURDEN OFF THAT THEY CAN ALLOCATE OTHER FUNDS. 
          SO I THINK THAT, THAT, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WHEN YOU COME FORWARD WITH THAT, THAT IT INCLUDE THAT THAT WAS SAID MUCH BETTER BY PETE THAN ME. 
          OKAY. 
          VICE MAYOR AND THEN MELISSA. 
          AND THEN MOVE IT. 
          MOVING ON. 
          PETE, TO YOUR POINT, WHEN I ORIGINALLY HAD BROUGHT THIS UP, I THOUGHT IT SHOULD COME OUT OF THE TOURISM BUDGET ACTUALLY. 
          'CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT THAT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS, WAS, UM, AND, AND WHAT USED TO BE IN THE CHAMBER BUDGET WAS FUNDING FOR, FOR, UH, ORGANIZATIONS AND FOR EVENTS. 
          AND COUNCIL AT THAT POINT WASN'T READY TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          BUT I DO THINK IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT IT IS, I THINK IT IS SALES AND BED TAX RELATED. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT MAY BE AS IMPORTANT, IF NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN SOME OF THE OTHER MONEY WE SPEND. 
          SO SOMETHING TO CONSIDER FOR NEXT YEAR, LAUREN, AS TO THE APPROPRIATE PLACE. 
          COUNCILOR PLU, IF I MAY, I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT, UM, HELP WITH THE CRITERIA AND THE VETTING AND ALL OF THAT. 
          THE FUNDING WILL BE IN THE GENERAL SERVICES BUDGET, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY, UM, HAVE THEM HELP US. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I JUST WANNA SAY, WHEN WE HAVE OUR CONTRACT OR SERVICE CONTRACTS WITH THE VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS 
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IN TOWN, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE SAY IS THEY CANNOT USE IT FOR OPERATIONS. 
          THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S TO BE USED FOR. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? OR IS IT JUST FOR FACILITIES? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT LINE WHEN WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY SERVICE, WHEN WE TALK TO ABOUT WHAT WE TELL OUR, THE COMMUNITY SERVICE CONTRACT HOLDERS, THERE'S ONLY SPECIFIC THINGS THEY CAN USE THE MONEY FOR. 
          SO WHAT IS IT WE TELL THEM THEY CANNOT USE THE MONEY FOR? UM, SO ARE YOU REFERRING TO LIKE THE HUMANE SOCIETY AND THE FOOD BANK AND THOSE GROUPS OR THE LIBRARY? YEAH, THE COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OF THAT LIMITATION. 
          I THINK YOU DO. 
          UM, I THINK THERE IS A LIMITATION THAT THEY, THAT CAN, IT CAN'T BE USED FOR CERTAIN THINGS. 
          UM, LET ME, I HAVE THE CONTRACT, MY EXPERIE, I WILL JUST LET YOU GUYS FIGURE THAT OUT AND LET ME KNOW. 
          BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE IT FOR, THAT IT'S NOT JUST AN OPEN, HERE'S SOME MONEY AND GO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT REQUEST. 
          IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          I HAVE THE, I HAVE ONE OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER AGREEMENTS UP, SO LET ME QUICKLY SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UM, EXCLUSIONS. 
          I MEAN, IT IS FOR SPECIFIC SERVICES AND THIS, THE INTENTION IS THAT THEIR SERVICES THE CITY WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO PROVIDE IN-HOUSE IF THEY DIDN'T DO IT FOR US. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS. 
          UM, SO THE LIBRARY FOR INSTANCE, THEY NEED TO DO A BUNCH OF WORK ON THEIR BUILDING. 
          CAN THEY USE THE MONEY THAT WE GIVE THEM IN THE SERVICE CONTRACT FOR BUILDING MAINTENANCE? I JUST HAVE, SO I HAVE THE HUMANE SOCIETY ONE UP RIGHT NOW, AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE THAT SAYS WHAT THEY CAN'T. 
          IT SAYS WHAT SERVICES THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE, BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE ANY, UM, OKAY. 
          SO, SO WHERE I, WE NEED NOT ONLY SHOULD THEY NOT BE USING IT FOR OPERATIONS FOR THE VERY REASONS THAT PETE SAID, 'CAUSE WE COULD TAKE IT AWAY FROM THEM NEXT YEAR, UM, AND THEIR OPERATIONS MAY INCREASE AND WE'RE NOT GONNA NECESSARILY INCREASE THE FUNDS. 
          BUT I ALSO FEEL LIKE PETE SAID SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT, ALT AND ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          AND WE HAVE AN OUTDOOR CULTURE HERE AS WELL. 
          SO DO DOES, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THE MOUNTAIN BIKING FESTIVAL BE SOMEBODY WHO GETS TO, THEY BRING IN A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THEY, THEY APPLY AND THEY GET MONEY FOR THIS SPECIFIC ONE, FOR THE LARGE GRANTS. 
          I'M JUST SAYING WHERE, WHERE DO WE DRAW THIS LINE? AND IS IT CORRECT TO SAY JUST PUT THAT 200 INTO THE OTHER POT? BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS BEING ONLY THOSE TWO ORGANIZATIONS CAN SHARE THAT MONEY. 
          IT CAN BE ANYONE WHO DOES WHATEVER X IS. 
          SO DO WE, IS THIS REALLY THE RIGHT WAY FOR US TO GO ABOUT IT AND MAKE TWO SEPARATE ONES OR JUST UP THE ONE ANYWAY? WELL, BUT I THINK BY DOING IT, IF WE HAD TWO SEPARATE ONES, IT, IT'S TWO SEPARATE CRITERIA. 
          BY DOING UPPING THE AMOUNT THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPLY EVERY YEAR. 
          IT'S STILL APPLY. 
          YOU HAVE TO, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A A, A SERVICE CONTRACT, RIGHT? IT STILL SAYS A GRANTS PROGRAM SO YEAR. 
          SO YEAH, YOU'D HAVE TO APPLY EVERY YEAR. 
          AND I THINK TO COUNCILOR DUNN'S POINT, I COULD HAVE MORE COMFORT IF WE UPPED THE BUDGET FOR A GRANTS PROGRAM. 
          DON'T CALL IT SMALL GRANTS IF YOU DON'T WANNA CALL IT SMALL GRANTS. 
          I I WOULD BE FINE. 
          I ACTUALLY THINK WE SHOULD BE UPPING THE BUDGET FOR THAT EVERY YEAR ANYWAYS. 
          JUST BECAUSE WE CAN. 
          AND THAT THOSE GRANT RECIPIENTS DO REALLY GOOD WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I JUST DON'T WANNA PICK WINNERS AND LOSERS THAT QUOTE, NEED MORE MONEY OR NEED THAT NEED LARGE GRANTS. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          WHO, WHO'S, OH, DEREK. 
          OKAY. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION. 
          THE VOTE ON THAT ITEM. 
          YOU CAN'T BE VOTED AGAINST IT. 
          I, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. 
          JESUS, KURT. 
          SECOND. 
          THESE AREN'T REAL MOTIONS. 
          THEY'VE BEEN THUMBS UP AND THUMBS DOWN. 
          THAT'S, THERE HASN'T, THERE HASN'T BEEN. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD, CAN WE HAVE ANOTHER VOTE? YES, WE CAN AT THE CHAIR DISCRETION? HE CAN, HE CAN CALL AGAIN FOR THUMBS UP AND THUMBS DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL WE, WELL LET'S DO IT AGAIN. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S, AREN'T YOU WANTING TO PROPOSE ? MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE JUST TO ROLL IT INTO THE GRANTS PROGRAM AS MELISSA CALLED IT, INSTEAD OF THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM, THE LARGE GRANTS PROGRAM, JUST ROLL THAT MONEY INTO THE GRANTS PROGRAM. 
          THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL. 
          SO WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? ARE WE VOTING ROLLING IT? WELL, CAN I ASK ANNETTE A QUESTION? UH, SURE YOU CAN ASK. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
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BUT, BUT OKAY. 
          YOU'RE REDESIGNING IT UP HERE, BUT OUR CITY MANAGER HAD A RECOMMENDATION TO DO THIS THIS WAY. 
          SO I'D LIKE HER TO WEIGH IN BEFORE WE START RESTRUCTURING THIS FAIR POINT. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILOR KINSELLA. 
          SO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I STRUCTURED WAS BASED ON THE DISCUSSION AT THE COUNCIL RETREAT ABOUT SETTING ASIDE A SEPARATE, UM, LARGE GRANT PROGRAM THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR LARGER GRANTS TO ORGANIZATIONS THAN WHAT HAS TRADITIONALLY BEEN AVAILABLE THROUGH THE QUOTE SMALL GRANT PROGRAM. 
          UM, SO MY THOUGHT WAS IF YOU ALLOCATED FUNDS IN THIS NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, THAT THE FUNDING CRITERIA OR THE AMOUNT OF AWARD THAT SOMEONE COULD ASK FOR WOULD BE HIGHER THAN WHAT'S IN THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM. 
          BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL REQUEST FROM THAT ARTS COMMUNITY WAS THAT THEY NEED, THEY FELT THAT, UM, THEY COULD JUSTIFY A LARGER INVESTMENT BY THE CITY IN THEIR ORGANIZATION BECAUSE OF THE SALES AND BED TAX RETURN COMPARED TO THE SMALL PROJECTS THAT WERE HAPPENING IN THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, I THINK IF YOU ADDED THE FUNDING TO THE CURRENT SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM FOR NEXT YEAR'S PROCESS, UM, I THINK THERE'LL STILL BE MORE REQUESTS THAN YOU CAN FUND AS WE SAW FROM THE LIST TODAY. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT EITHER WAY. 
          BUT I THINK THE ORIGINAL REQUEST THAT CAME TO YOU FROM THE COMMUNITY WAS TO SPECIFICALLY CARVE OUT A COUPLE OF VERY LARGE GRANTS TO A FEW ORGANIZATIONS INSTEAD OF A POT THAT WAS SPLIT UP AMONGST A MINI ORGANIZATIONS. 
          WAS IT A REQUEST FROM THE COMMUNITY OR FROM THOSE TWO ORGANIZATIONS? WELL, I'M CALLING THAT THE COMMUNITY, BUT IT WAS TWO ORGANIZATIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          MAY I ASK STEPHANIE, IF YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS NON-GUN STEPHANIE, NON-GUN ? BIG DIFFERENCE NUMBER BY CHIEF. 
          SO, BIG, BIG DIFFERENCE. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW, UM, THANK, I HAVE TO THANK COUNCILOR PLU FOR THIS. 
          UM, I THINK IN COUNCILOR KINSELLA FOR CONSIDERING SPLITTING, TAKING THE SMALL GRANTS AND SPLITTING THEM UP INTO A, UM, A PERCENTAGE BASED ON, UH, SOCIAL SERVICES AND ARTS, THAT WAS TRULY HELPFUL. 
          IT WAS WITH US AND THEN A, A DISCRETIONARY 20% THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL IN HELPING US, I BELIEVE FAIRLY ALLOCATE TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AS I HAD STATED EARLIER, THE, THE FINANCIAL, UM, CONTRIBUTION IN THE FORM OF SALES TAX IE DRIVING, UM, TOUR MORE TOURISM TO THIS TOWN HAS BEEN TAKE, HAD BEEN TAKEN OUT AS A PRIMARY CRITERIA FOR THE SMALL GRANTS CONSIDERATION. 
          AND IF WE PUT THAT BACK IN, THEN UM, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN IS IF WE, IF WE REINSERT THAT, UH, THOSE TWO ORGANIZATIONS OR THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO DRIVE THE LARGE EVENTS WOULD HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD HAVE, WOULD HAVE THEIR ADVANTAGE. 
          AND I THINK THAT COULD WORK WELL. 
          BUT I THINK, I THINK IT CAN BE PUT BACK IN TO THE SMALL GRANTS POT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO, OR THE GRANTS POT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO. 
          BUT I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN AND, UM, UH, DISCUSS WITH YOU HOW YOU WOULD LIKE THOSE CRITERIA, UH, APPLIED NOW TO, TO THE, UM, TO THE GRANTS THEMSELVES. 
          THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONSIDERATION. 
          OTHERWISE, WE'LL DO WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO. 
          BRIAN, BEING THE, UH, KING OF ROI UP HERE, UM, I WOULDN'T ACTUALLY BE THAT CONCERNED LIKE ARTS ARE WORTH SUPPORTING FOR THE SAKE OF WHAT THEY REPRESENT, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE ROI, I KNOW SOME OF YOU'RE FALLING OVER RIGHT NOW , BUT, SO AGAIN, I'M LIKE, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF BUMPING UP THE BUDGET, BUT I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT HARDER FOR ORGANIZATIONS TO GET FUNDING BECAUSE WE START LOOKING AT ROI AGAIN, OR, I MEAN, BECAUSE LIKE EVEN IF YOU SAID, OH, WELL, WE'LL ONLY LOOK AT ROI FOR THE 40% THAT'S DEDICATED TO THE ARTS. 
          EH, I WOULDN'T DO IT. 
          I MEAN, THE ARTS ARE WORTH WHAT THEY'RE WORTH WITHOUT IT BEING A MEASURE OF THEIR ROI. 
          THAT'S MY 2 CENTS. 
          SO I, AGAIN, I'M GONNA KEEP PUSHING FOR, IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND THE MONEY, PUT IT INTO THE ONE POT, LET THIS FABULOUS GROUP THAT, UH, GOES THROUGH AND POURS 
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OVER THOSE APPLICATIONS EVERY YEAR, INCREASE THE SIZE OF WHAT THE MAXIMUM IS THAT CAN BE, UH, RECEIVED BY THE GRANT APPLICANT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE MY HEAD IS. 
          VICE MAYOR, YOU HAD SOMETHING I THOUGHT YOU DID ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AGO. 
          I THINK I DID, BUT I DON'T, IT'LL COME BACK TOO LATE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OH, I DO, I DO REMEMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND COUNSEL THAT IN PAST YEARS WE DID FUND THESE ORGANIZATIONS DIRECT FUNDED, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO APPLY. 
          THEY GOT A DIRECT AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          AND THAT ENDED, I THINK, DURING THE RECESSION AND IT NEVER CAME BACK. 
          OKAY, DEREK. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO TO, I GUESS TO YOUR NON MOTION, YOUR NON MOTION. 
          NON MOTION MOTION. 
          DID YOU, I JUST DON'T IT, TO BUILD ON WHAT BRIAN SAID, I JUST DON'T WANT TO VIEW EVERYTHING FROM A, YOU KNOW, DOES IT GENERATE SALES TAXES? I MEAN, ART FOR ART IS, HE PUT IT ART FOR ART'S SAKE IS, AND I MEAN, AND YOU KNOW, IS FEEDING SENIORS LESS IMPORTANT THAN GENERATING SALES TAXES OR, YOU KNOW, MEALS ON WHEELS OR ANY OF THESE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE DESERVING OF FUNDS. 
          JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T GENERATE SALES TAXES DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY AREN'T OF GREAT SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT THEY'RE IMPORTANT. 
          AND THAT, IN MY OPINION, THEY SHOULD HAVE A FAIR SHOT AT THAT SAME POOL OF MONEY AS AN ORGANIZATION THAT DOES GENERATE TAX REVENUE. 
          BUT THOSE THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED ARE SERVICE CONTRACT PROVIDERS. 
          THEY'RE NOT SMALL GRANT RECIPIENTS. 
          IT'S A DIFFERENT PROGRAM. 
          IT'S A DIFFERENT POTS, DIFFERENT RULES. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA BE NEXT. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S NEXT. 
          OKAY. 
          SOCIAL SERVICES APPLICANTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IF, IF WE'RE, IF, IF THE SOFT MOTION IS TO JUST THROW MONEY, MORE MONEY INTO THE GRANTS PROGRAM, WHETHER WE CH KILL THE SMALL OR NOT, IS IT SUBJECT TO THE SPLIT THAT COUNCIL HAS ALREADY, ARE WE GONNA THROW IT MORE ON THE ARTS AND CULTURE SIDE? IS IT JUST SUBJECT TO THE CURRENT SPLIT? THAT'S A QUESTION WE NEED TO ANSWER. 
          WE DID THAT SPLIT. 
          'CAUSE I'M THE ONE WHO CAME UP WITH THAT SPLIT. 
          SO I CERTAINLY, IN MY MIND IT'S CLEAR, UH, IT WAS TO PRESERVE BECAUSE WHAT WAS HAPPENING WAS WE WERE GETTING MORE AND MORE VERY DESERVING NEED-BASED ORGANIZATIONS THAT, THAT WERE LIKE SAVING LIVES AND PROVIDING SHELTER AND FOOD AND I MEAN THINGS THAT WERE REALLY NECESSARY. 
          UM, BUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED WAS WHEN THAT PROGRAM HAD STARTED, IT HAD STARTED AS AN ARTS SUPPORT PROGRAM. 
          SO, BUT THE NEEDS WERE TAKING OVER THE ARTS. 
          AND THAT IS THE BACKGROUND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE, WHY WE CAME UP WITH THE 40 40 AND THEN 20, UH, DISCRETIONARY SPLIT TO PROTECT BOTH NEEDS AND ARTS AND THEN GIVE AND EMPOWER THE, THE VERY CAPABLE COMMITTEE. 
          UM, AGAIN, I STILL SEE TAKING THIS AND KEEPING THIS AS A SEPARATE, AS PRESERVING MONEY FOR SMALL ART PROGRAMS AND SOCIAL SERVICE NEEDS THAT WE, WE DON'T RECOGNIZE THROUGH SERVICE CONTRACTS, BUT ARE DOING SO MUCH GOOD LIFESAVING GOOD IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO I, I, TO ME, THIS IS THE CLEANEST WAY. 
          AND I STRUGGLED WITH THIS A LOT WHEN THIS WAS FIRST PROPOSED. 
          IT TOOK, YOU KNOW, A WHILE FOR ME TO COME ON BOARD. 
          I MEAN, YOU CAN JUST ASK PATRICK AND ASK JULIE. 
          THEY KNOW IT TOOK A WHILE TO CONVINCE ME. 
          RIGHT? BUT BECAUSE I, OF, OF SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT ARE HERE, BUT TO ME IT BECAME THE CLEAREST, THE CLEANEST WAY OF PROTECTING THE NEEDS OF THE, OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT NEEDED PROTECTING IN THIS WHILE STILL ENCOURAGING ARTS IN A WAY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED AND DID SINCE THERE IS A, THERE IS AN ROI IN THIS CASE WITH THOSE ORGANIZATIONS. 
          SO TREATING THEM A LITTLE BIT SEPARATELY, UM, SEEMED CLEAR IN, IN PROTECTING THE OTHER ONES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL MOVING FORWARD? WHO AM I POINTING TO? WHO ARE YOU POINTING? HE'S, HE'S POINTING. 
          DEREK DEREK'S WANTING TO MAKE THE NON MOTION MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          COUNCILOR ELLOS. 
          I, I THINK HE HAVE TO VOTE STAND. 
          I THINK COUNCILOR KINSELLA HAS PERHAPS CONVINCED ME THAT THAT MAY BE THE WAY TO GO. 
          I MEAN, THE POINT IS I DON'T WANT TO, I MEAN, I GUESS IF WE'RE JUST THROWING THE BALL BACK INTO THE SAME FISH TANK AND LETTING 'EM FIGHT OVER A BIG, BIGGER SUM OF MONEY, I GUESS CONCEIVABLY THE BIG FISH END UP WITH EVEN MORE THAN THEY WOULD UNDER THE SMALL GRANT LARGE GRANT PROGRAM. 
          SO I THINK I'LL WITHDRAW MY NON MOTION IF, IF, IF, UH, . 
          I, I JUST WANNA, I 
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JUST WANNA SAY IF THIS, THIS 200 IS ONLY AIMED AT, UH, ARTS PROGRAMS, ARTS PROGRAMS THAT NO, YOU SAID ARTS, ARTS PROGRAMS THAT BRING IN MONEY, THEN WE ARE ELIMINATING ALL THE EVENTS IN THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE AROUND OTHER ASPECTS OF THE CULTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I MAY HAVE SAID THAT, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT I HAD. 
          I HAD ALSO BEFORE, PRIOR TO THAT, IN ABBREVIATING LONG SENTENCES HERE, I HAD, I HAD CLARIFIED WITH THE CITY MANAGER THAT THIS WAS ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          THAT'S WHY I SAID, COULD THE SYMPHONY APPLY? COULD CHAMBER APPLY, UH, THE CHAMBER MUSIC SOCIETY? ARE THERE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT COULD CONCEIVABLY APPLY? 'CAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS SHOULD BE PROTECTED FOR. 
          I MEAN, I LOVE THE ART CENTER. 
          HI JULIE AND I LOVE, AND I LOVE, YOU KNOW, SCF HI PATRICK, WHEREVER YOU ARE. 
          BUT THIS ISN'T TO GIFT THEM, THIS IS TO RECOGNIZE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE EATING AT THE OTHER POT, NUMBER ONE. 
          BUT NUMBER TWO ARE ALSO BRINGING A TA ADDING TO THE TAX BASE AND NOT RECEIVING FUNDING BACK FROM THAT. 
          SO AS I SAID, TO ME, THIS JUST SEEMED REALLY A CLEANER WAY OF, OF DOING THIS. 
          BUT IT'S NOT PROTECTED FOR THEM. 
          I MEAN, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ARE AND CULTURE GET TO APPLY TO, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON HOW THE PROGRAM GETS DEVELOPED, WHICH THE CITY MANAGER HAS NOT YET BROUGHT TO US. 
          'CAUSE SHE'S LOOKING FOR DIRECTION HERE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO PROCEED. 
          DID I STATE THAT CORRECTLY? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE AGREE THAT IF YOU ARE ELIGIBLE FOR ONE, YOU'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE OTHER? YES. 
          RIGHT? YES. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          DOES DOES THIS MEAN THE MIX CHANGES FOR THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM THEN SINCE THESE LARGER PROGRAMS ARE, ARE GETTING, ARE ALREADY GETTING A, A BITE OUT OF IT? YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IN MY MIND, NO, BECAUSE THERE'S A, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL GONNA HAVE A BIGGER POT LEFT OVER. 
          NOW THE THEORETICALLY THEIR GRANTS WILL INCREASE BECAUSE THE MONEY'S NOT BEING SIPHONED OFF TO THE, THE BIG KAHUNAS. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IT STILL MEANS THAT INSTEAD OF A 40, 40 20, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMBINED POT, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S A WHOLE LOT MORE GOING TO ARTS AND IT AND THAT AND THAT PROGRAM, SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE AN ARTS AND CULTURE PROGRAM. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER NEEDS WERE EATING INTO THAT. 
          SO IT WAS THE 40, 40 20. 
          IT WAS A WAY OF PRESERVING THAT FOR BOTH. 
          SO TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND WE'VE CHANGED WITH THEM. 
          SO WE KEEP, WE KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT, OH WELL IT USED TO BE THIS WAY. 
          OKAY, WELL IT USED TO BE THIS WAY. 
          GAS USED TO BE 25 CENTS A GALLON TOO. 
          I WISH IT WOULD GO BACK TO THAT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK FOR MY, LET'S MOVE FORWARD. 
          IS THERE ADDITIONAL DIRECTION ABOUT THE OPERATIONS SIDE? THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE LARGE GRANT PROGRAM, THE LARGE GRANT PROGRAM, MY DIRECTION WOULD BE THAT YES, THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE USED FOR OPERATIONAL. 
          UM, AND THAT IT, UM, WHAT WAS THE OTHER, THERE WERE OTHER POINTS THEY HAD THERE. 
          OH MY GOD, WE'RE GOING AROUND HERE. 
          UH, YEAH, THEY CAN'T DOUBLE DIP. 
          YOU HAVE TO ONLY YOU CAN, YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE WHICH PROGRAM YOU'RE APPLYING TO. 
          UM, AND THEN IT BE OPEN BASED ON A CRITERIA THAT IT COME FORWARD TO, BUT IT'D BE OPEN EQUALLY. 
          AND STEPHANIE, IT SOUNDS LIKE STEPHANIE WITHOUT THE GUN. 
          NO GUN. 
          NO GUN. 
          STEPHANIE. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL WE DUNNO THAT ACTUALLY , SHE MIGHT BE CRACKING. 
          I DO KNOW GUNS. 
          I THINK IT'S ENOUGH. 
          NO GUN IN THE COURTROOM. 
          STEPHANIE, UH, COULD HELP TO FASHION THAT. 
          CORRECT? YES. 
          I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT WITH YOU. 
          WORK THROUGH THAT. 
          I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION. 
          I THINK WE ALL HAVE ENOUGH OF, AND IT'LL COME BACK TO YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET OUTTA HERE NOW FOR SURE. 
          WELL, SHE IS. 
          I AM. 
          YOU'RE I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE DECISION BACK. 
          I GET IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          CAN WE MOVE ON? YEP. 
          THANK YOU STEPHANIE. 
          STEPHANIE, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UM, NON VOTE, NON NON MOTION, WHATEVER VOTE. 
          ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ONE, MAYOR IS, UM, AS I'VE MENTIONED TO UM, YOU ALL BEFORE, WE HAVE FIVE COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACTS. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF STERLING HAS THAT CHART, UH, IN THE SLIDE DECK THAT HAS THE FIVE. 
          UH, ANYWAY, WE HAVE FIVE COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACTS. 
          THAT'S THE HUMANE SOCIETY, THE COMMUNITY CENTER, FOR EXAMPLE, THE LIBRARY. 
          UM, AND AT DIFFERENT POINTS THIS YEAR, UM, THERE WE GO THERE, IT'S UP ON THE 1 56 BOARD AT DIFFERENT POINTS THIS YEAR, A FEW OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS REACHED OUT TO ME ABOUT THE BUDGET CHALLENGES THEY WERE HAVING DUE TO A NUMBER OF, UM, DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          UM, AND ASKED IF THE COUNCIL WOULD 
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CONSIDER, UM, AN INCREASE TO THEIR CONTRACT FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          ALL OF THESE ENTITIES ARE ON THREE YEAR CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY ALREADY, AND NEXT YEAR WILL BE THE THIRD YEAR OR THE LAST YEAR OF THEIR CONTRACTS. 
          UM, SO I PUT A DECISION PACKAGE IN WHERE I JUST ACROSS THE BOARD PUT A 5% INCREASE FOR EACH OF THEM, UM, SUBJECT TO, UM, WHETHER THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. 
          UM, ANOTHER OPTION, UH, SO A COUPLE OF OPTIONS. 
          ONE IS RECOGNIZING, UM, YOU KNOW, EITHER LOSS OF FEDERAL FUNDING, INSURANCE PREMIUM INCREASES. 
          UM, THESE ARE THE TWO MAIN THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT. 
          UM, YOU COULD DO THE ACROSS THE BOARD FOR NOW AND THEN DO, AND THEN, UH, WE GO INTO CONTRACT RENEGOTIATIONS WITH ALL OF THESE FOLKS FOR THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR. 
          UM, ONE IN PARTICULAR, UH, MADE A SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNT REQUEST AND THAT WAS THE HUMANE SOCIETY, WHICH I PASSED OUT THEIR MEMO TO. 
          AND I BELIEVE THEIR DIRECTOR JENNIFER IS HERE TO SPEAK TO THAT. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, A 5% INCREASE FOR THEM ONLY EQUATES TO ABOUT 2,400 MORE DOLLARS THAN, UM, WHAT THEY WOULD'VE RECEIVED UNDER THE CURRENT CONTRACT. 
          AND WHAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR IS SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER THAN THAT. 
          UM, SO I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON WHETHER YOU'RE WOULD LIKE ME TO, UM, I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING FOR DIRECTION GENERALLY, SINCE AGAIN, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND I'M UNFAMILIAR WITH HOW YOU'VE RENEGOTIATED, UH, SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACTS IN THE PAST. 
          SO I TOLD THE HUMANE SOCIETY I'D BRING THEIR REQUEST FORWARD THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S HOW I APPROACHED IT WAS EITHER GIVE EVERYBODY IN ACROSS THE BOARD, BUMP SOME AMOUNT AND THEN, UM, GO INTO RENEGOTIATIONS AGAIN. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ONE QUESTION. 
          YEAH, ONE QUESTION I HAD WAS, WHY ARE WE CALLING THIS A ONE TIME INCREASE? BECAUSE IT'S THE THIRD YEAR OF THE CONTRACT. 
          SO IT'S LIKE A, WE ALREADY HAVE AN INCREASED BUDGETED AND IN THE CONTRACT FOR THEM BASED ON THE CPI, AND THIS WOULD BE A BUMP UP FROM WHAT'S IN THE EXISTING CONTRACT. 
          SO WE'D HAVE TO AMEND THAT LAST YEAR OF THE CONTRACT. 
          AND THEN I CALLED IT ONE TIME ASSUMING THAT WE WOULD BE RENEGOTIATING ALL THESE CONTRACTS FROM SQUARE ONE AGAIN, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA CONTINUE AFTER FY 26. 
          THEY ALL END. 
          SO WE'RE CONSIDERING THE FY 2025 BUDGET? NO, 26. 
          WE'RE DOING THE, WE'RE CALLING THE SIX, WE'RE IN THE 25 YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE CALLING IT ONE TIME. 
          IT'S KIND OF A, BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE LAST YEAR, RIGHT? WE ENTER IN RENEGOTIATIONS, BUT NONETHELESS IT SENDS A BA IT SETS A BASELINE FOR THE RENEGOTIATIONS. 
          SO IT'S, BUT THE CONTRACTS GENERALLY ARE, I, WE'VE TALKED TO, UH, YESTERDAY A LOT ABOUT ZERO BASED BUDGETING. 
          I MEAN BASICALLY CONTRACTS ARE START OUT AS ZERO BASED BUDGET, RIGHT? FOR THEIR EVALUATION EACH YEAR EVER GONE. 
          YES, I'M ASKING. 
          YEAH, WELL, SURE. 
          I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN, UH, MAKE THEIR CASE FOR THE TYPES OF SERVICE THEY'RE PROVIDING AND I THINK DIFFERENT ONES HAVE DIFFERENT FORMULAS IN THEM AND DISCUSSION THAT LIKE PRICE PER WHATEVER, UM MM-HMM . 
          IN THE CASE OF THE LIBRARY, THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL BECAUSE THOSE AGREEMENTS COME THROUGH, I THINK, UH, THE COUNTY OR SOMETHING THROUGH YAVAPI COUNTY THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT MM-HMM . 
          UM, BUT EACH OF THEM HAVE DELIVERABLES OR CERTAIN SERVICES THEY HAVE TO GUARANTEE THEY'LL PROVIDE OR HOURS OF OPERATIONS, THEY'LL BE OPEN, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, IN THE, IN THEIR CONTRACTS. 
          SO TWO, TWO POINTS. 
          SO, UM, SO THEY'RE JUST SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR AND IT'S ON THE RECORD THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE AN EXPECTATION THAT THIS IS INCREASED NUMBERS, WHAT PEOPLE ARE WORKING OFF OF THE ORGANIZATIONS NEXT YEAR. 
          UH, WAS ONE POINT, AND I FORGOT THE SECOND POINT. 
           WE'RE GETTING LATE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE UM, OH YES, MY SECOND POINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WHAT WAS, IT'S A QUESTION. 
          WERE THERE ORGANIZATIONS, YOU SAID THAT AT ONE POINT, EITHER NOW OR WHEN WE MET, UM, THAT THE ORGANIZATIONS HAD COME TO YOU, MULTIPLE OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS HAD COME TO YOU ALL REQUESTING SOME SORT OF AN ADJUSTMENT. 
          WERE THE ADJUSTMENT REQUESTS LARGER FROM ALL OF THEM THAN THE 5% THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING? OR WAS THAT AN AVERAGE OR WAS, HOW'D YOU COME AT 5%? UM, I CAME UP WITH 5% 
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JUST BASED ON WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A REASONABLE STARTING POINT. 
          IF THEY'RE ARGUING, WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY ARGUING AS A NEGATIVE, BUT IF THEY'RE MAKING THE CASE ABOUT INFLATION AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, UM, AND AGAIN, IT WAS A PLACEHOLDER TO START THE CONVERSATION AND I FEEL LIKE A BROKEN RECORD. 
          AND AGAIN, COMING AT THIS FRAMEWORK IN A VERY CONSERVATIVE POSITION, TRYING TO KEEP THE INITIAL BASE BUDGET LOW AND NOT ADD A LOT OF EXTRA EXPENSE AND HEAD COUNT, THINGS LIKE THAT WITH YOUR DISCRETIONARY DOLLARS. 
          SO, UM, YOU CAN ADJUST IT HOWEVER YOU, HOWEVER YOU WISH, BUT I THOUGHT 5% WAS A CONSERVATIVE. 
          THANK YOU HOLLY. 
          AND THEN I'M GONNA GO, UH, SO MELISSA, YOU ASKED A QUESTION BEFORE ABOUT ARE THERE RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT CAN YOU USE? AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT OPERATIONS AND THE SMALL GRANTS, LARGE GRANTS DISCUSSION. 
          SO THIS CAN, ALL THESE SERVICE CONTRACTS CAN ONLY BE USED FOR OPERATIONS MM-HMM . 
          SO THE THEY CAN'T BE USED FOR CAPITAL, CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          ONLY OPERATIONS, UNLIKE THE SMALL GRANTS, WHICH WERE DESIGNED FOR EVENTS OR SPECIFIC PROJECTS, AND I KNOW I, WE DID A DEEP DIVE INTO ALL THESE CONTRACTS WHEN I WAS ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, SO I KIND OF KNOW THEM PRETTY WELL. 
          UH, AND THEY'VE CHANGED OVER TIME. 
          WE'VE ASKED FOR MORE SERVICES, DIFFERENT SET OF SERVICES. 
          AND SO THEY'RE, IT'S BASED ON THE SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED BY THE ORGANIZATIONS, WHICH OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE THEORETICALLY BY THE CITY IF THEY DIDN'T EXIST. 
          AND SO OVER THE COURSE OF THE THREE YEARS, SOMETIMES ADJUSTMENTS, NOT COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS, BUT ADJUSTMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE LIKE LAST YEAR WITH HISTORICAL SOCIETY, THEY CAME AND INCREASED THE SERVICES THEY WERE PROVIDING AND THEN THEY ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS, WHICH WE GAVE THEM. 
          SO I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN A REQUEST, UM, FROM THE HUMANE SOCIETY, THOUGH I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, SO I WOULD ASK FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT POINT DURING THE CONTRACT TERM AND ARE WE THE APPROPRIATE BODY TO BE NEGOTIATING ADDITIONAL SERVICES IF THAT IS WHAT IN FACT IS BEING ASKED FOR, WHICH I'M NOT REALLY CLEAR ON WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR. 
          SO IN THE CASE OF THE HUMANE SOCIETY, UM, AND THE DOCUMENTATION THEY PROVIDED, UM, THEY ARE, UM, DEMONSTRATING TO YOU THAT THE, UM, TWO THINGS, THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS THAT THEY'RE CARING FOR IN THE SHELTER IS INCREASED, AND THEN THE COST PER ANIMAL HAS INCREASED. 
          THE CITY'S CONTRACT IS ABOUT, UM, PROVIDING ANIMAL CARE SERVICES TO STRAYS AND UM, UM, ANIMALS THAT ARE BROUGHT IN THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THAT TYPE OF THING, BUT EXCLUDES THE COST OF, UM, ANIMALS IN THEIR CARE RELATED TO OWNER SURRENDERS. 
          AND SO THEY'RE ASKING THE CITY TO CONSIDER, UM, PAYING FOR THE COST OF UP TO SOME AMOUNT OF THE OWNER SURRENDERS IN THEIR CARE. 
          UM, AND THE PREMISE BEING THAT, UM, WHEN PEOPLE COME TO THEM IN, UM, WHATEVER PERSONAL SITUATION THEY'RE HAVING THAT THEY CAN NO LONGER HAVE THE ANIMAL DUE TO MEDICAL REASONS, UM, HOUSING REASONS, UM, ECONOMIC REASONS THAT IF THEY REQUIRE A PAYMENT FROM THESE FOLKS, WHICH I THINK THEY DO HAVE A FEE SCHEDULE IF SOMEONE DOESN'T OWN OR SURRENDER AND SOMEONE CAN AFFORD IT, UM, THE ALTERNATIVE IS THEY STILL PUT THE ANIMAL AT THE DOORSTEP OR THEY JUST MAKE IT A STRAY OR DUMP IT OR WHATEVER, AND THEY END UP WITH IT AT THE SHELTER ANYWAY. 
          UM, AND SO THAT IS IF I, IF, IF IT'S OKAY FOR ME TO BE SPEAKING FOR JENNIFER, BUT SHE'S WELCOME TO COME UP AND CLARIFY ANY OF THAT. 
          SO THAT'S THE CASE THEY'RE MAKING IS THE INCREASE IS BASED ON ADDING THAT SERVICE TO THE CONTRACT TO CARE FOR, UM, OWNER SURRENDER ANIMALS AS PART OF WHAT THE CITY IS ASKING THEM TO PROVIDE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          SENSE. 
          ARE WE, I THINK WE DO NOT PAY FOR THAT NOW. 
          WE PAY FOR THESE STRAYS AND THE, UM, PD. 
          ANNETTE, CAN I ASK CORRECT. 
          DID I GET THAT RIGHT? PRETTY CLOSE. 
          PRETTY CLOSE. 
          . 
          CAN I FINISH OR JENNIFER'S? KATHY. 
          SO I WANNA KATHY, KATHY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE KATHY, KATHY, WAIT. 
          HOLLY IS IN THE MIDDLE OF TALKING. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          AND I WAS JUST SAYING AFTER HOLLY TALKS, IF I 
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COULD, BEFORE JENNIFER TAKES THE MIC, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING MAYOR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I WANTED TO, TO DO THE SAME. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THANKS KATHY. 
          UM, SO WHAT I'M TRIED TO UNDERSTAND IS THE, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, AND THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, UH, ARE WE ASKING THE, UH, UH, THE, UM, ORGANIZATION TO PROVIDE THESE SERVICES OR THE ORGANIZATION PROVIDING THE SERVICES AND THEN COMING TO US TO SAY WE WANT MONEY FOR SERVICES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, BUT THEY'RE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE CONTRACT? THE, THE LATTER. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST SO WE LEVEL SET MM-HMM . 
          AND DID YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO ANY RESEARCH TO SEE WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE VERDE VALLEY, WHETHER THAT THAT'S SERVICES PART OF A, A CONTRACT OR NOT? UM, I DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO COTTONWOOD, BUT I SPOKE TO CLARKDALE AND UH, THEIR CONTRACT IS WITH THE VERDE VALLEY HUMANE SOCIETY. 
          UM, AND THEY DO NOT SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT OWNER SURRENDERS. 
          UM, BUT THEY DID GRANT THEM, UM, A PRI UH, INCREASE IN THEIR CONTRACT FOR THE NEXT YEAR BASED ON VOLUME OF ANIMALS THEY WERE SERVING. 
          UM, AND THEN WHEN I SPOKE WITH CAMP PURDY, THEY DO NOT HAVE A CONTRACT WITH ANYBODY AND THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF QUARANTINE FACILITY WHERE THEY CAN HOLD LIKE FIVE DOGS OR SOMETHING AT A TIME. 
          AND THEN THEY REACH OUT, I BELIEVE TO SEDONA HUMANE SOCIETY ABOUT WHETHER THEY HAVE ROOM IN THE SHELTER TO TAKE THEIR ANIMALS, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I LEARNED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU WANNA SPEAK BEFORE JENNIFER? YES. 
          'CAUSE I HAVE A QUESTION TO ANNETTE. 
          THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T WANT IT TO GO OFF OF. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANNETTE, YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS MEMO THAT WE RECEIVED. 
          CORRECT. 
          UH, WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE BOTTOM DOLLAR? AND I WANTED TO ASK YOU VERSUS JENNIFER, UM, OF WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED IN THIS OVER AND ABOVE THE EXISTING 2.5 CPI BUILT IN? SO INSTEAD OF THE ADDITIONAL 2000 4 0 8, WHAT ADDITIONAL FUNDS ARE BEING REQUESTED THAT WERE IN HERE? MAY I, UM, CLARIFY, IS THAT 20, IS THAT THE DECISION PACKAGE COLUMN? NO, THIS IS ACTUALLY JUST THE CURRENT SERVICE CONTRACTS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN THAT, BECAUSE I WAS THINKING THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE DECISION PACKAGE IS A LOT MORE THAN $43,000. 
          IT'S 86. 
          IT'S DOUBLE THAT BECAUSE IT IS A REQUEST FOR AN ADDITIONAL 5%. 
          RIGHT. 
          SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION ON THE CHART. 
          SO THE, UM, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH INCREASED COST OF ANIMAL CARE, UM, FOR THE ACTUAL ANIMALS THAT WE'VE AGREED TO PAY FOR, PLUS, UM, POTENTIALLY THE OWNER SURRENDER PORTION OF THE SEDONA ANIMALS, UM, WAS AROUND $85,000. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? THE AMOUNT THAT WAS THE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN WHAT YOUR, UH, COSTS ARE VERSUS WHAT WE PAY FOR? IT'S 130,000. 
          OH, 130, SORRY. 
          AND UNDER YOUR PROPOSAL, THEY WOULD BE GETTING HOW MUCH MORE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THESE ARE CORRECT. 
          UM, IT'S NOWHERE NEAR $130,000. 
          I THOUGHT WE HAD A DECISION PACKAGE CHART THAT SHOWED THE, IT'S RIGHT, BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW THE BREAKOUT OF THE FIVE. 
          REMEMBER YOU SENT ME THE CHART SO PEOPLE WOULD KNOW, LIKE, WHAT DO YOU WANNA RECONNECT TO YOUR COMPUTER? OKAY. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          I THOUGHT WE HAD A CHART THAT HAD, UM, EACH OF THE FIVE SERVICE PROVIDERS AND THE DECISION PACKAGE. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I HAD BEEN LOOKING AT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THE NUMBERS DIDN'T SEEM TO JIVE, SO THAT'S WHY HE'S LOOKING FOR IT. 
          YEAH. 
          OR NOT THAT THEY DIDN'T JIVE, BUT THERE WAS JUST SUCH A BIG DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE ASK AND THE THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JENNIFER, WHY DON'T YOU PRESENT FIRST ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, AND THEN I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS OF MY OWN TO ASK OF YOU AS WELL. 
          SO WHY DON'T YOU BEGIN? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          FIRST OF ALL, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW ME, BUT I'M JENNIFER BRAILER, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA. 
          AS YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN TODAY, I HAVE OUR PASSPORT PRESIDENT AND CURRENT BOARD MEMBER, STEPHANIE GIRE WITH US IN CASE SHE WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING. 
          UM, ONE, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN SERVING THE CONTRACT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW, AND WHEN I LOOKED BACK HISTORICALLY, THE CITY OF SEDONA, EVEN FOR STRAYS AND SEAS, DID NOT HISTORICALLY PAY FOR THOSE 
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SERVICES THAT IT COST US AS THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA. 
          NOW, A LOT OF THAT WAS, WE WERE NOT ACTUALLY REQUESTING THAT EITHER BECAUSE WE HAD, WE WERE RECEIVING A LOT OF GRANT FUNDING, A LOT OF DONATIONS. 
          I'M SURE MOST OF YOU, IF YOU'RE INVOLVED IN ANY NONPROFITS, YOU KNOW THAT DONATIONS LOCALLY AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE LAGGING AS WELL AS GRANT FUNDERS. 
          YOU JUST HAD THIS CONVERSATION YOURSELF. 
          GRANT FUNDERS THAT WE APPLIED FOR, WERE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR NEW GRANT FUNDERS AS WELL. 
          THEY ARE NOT HIS, THEY'RE NOT GIVING, AS THEY HISTORICALLY DID. 
          THEY'RE GIVING SMALLER AMOUNTS OF MONEY TO MAKE A BIGGER IMPACT FOR MULTIPLE ORGANIZATIONS, WHERE IN THE PAST WE WOULD GET FULL FUNDING FROM ARIZONA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION OF YAVAPAI, ARIZONA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION OF SEDONA TO SUPPORT THE OPERATIONS TO CARE FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA ANIMALS AS WELL. 
          SO THAT IS ONE OF OUR BIG PROBLEMS AS WELL. 
          AS YOU'VE ALREADY MENTIONED, THE COST OF CARE AS FAR AS VACCINATION COSTS, MEDICATION COSTS, EMPLOYEE COSTS, ALL OF THAT GOES UP. 
          OUR ANIMAL CARE STAFF ONLY MAKE $17 AN HOUR. 
          THEY ARE STRUGGLING. 
          THEY PRIMARILY DO NOT RESIDE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA. 
          THEY'RE PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE CITY OF SEDONA BY, AND BE EMPLOYED BY US. 
          SO, UH, WE HAVE THAT, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE UNKNOWN OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE. 
          THE NUMBERS I PROVIDED IN THE DOCUMENT ARE NOT GUESSTIMATES, THEY'RE ACTUALS FROM LAST FISCAL YEAR OF WHAT WE SAW. 
          AND WHEN I WENT BACK HISTORICALLY, AND I KNOW YOU HAD THAT CHART UP EARLIER ABOUT WHAT, HOW THE FUNDING HAS INCREASED FROM THE CITY, WHICH WE APPRECIATE, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS NOT AT THE LEVEL THAT IT COSTS US TO SERVE THE CITY OF SEDONAS ANIMALS. 
          WHAT, EVEN FOR STRAY AND SEIZED ANIMALS, WE HAD MENTIONED, UM, PRIOR YEARS, LAST COUPLE YEARS, WE WOULD LIKE ALSO THE CITY TO CONSIDER COVERING THE COST OF OWNER SURRENDERS. 
          AND THAT IS MOST OF OUR OWNER SURRENDERS ARE COMING IN FROM THE CITY OF SEDONA, FROM INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN'T AFFORD THEM. 
          THEREFORE, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PROVIDE FUNDING IN ORDER FOR US TO CARE FOR 'EM ONCE THEY'RE NO LONGER WITH THEM. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT SERVICE. 
          AND ALSO IN OUR CONTRACT WE HAVE, AND I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT WE DIDN'T MENTION WHAT I PRESENTED, IS ONLY CITY OF SEDONA ANIMALS ONLY OWNER SURRENDER ANIMALS FROM CITIZENS OF SEDONA OR STREET STRAY OR SEIZED ANIMALS FROM OUR STREETS IN THE CITY OF SEDONA. 
          WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANIMALS FROM CAMP VERDE, VOC, CLARKDALE, ANY OF THAT. 
          THESE ARE JUST WHAT IT COSTS, THE HUMANE SOCIETY TO OPERATE SHELTER SERVICES FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. 
          SO, AND I APOLOGIZE IF THE CHART WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING. 
          I WAS TRYING TO PRESENT BOTH WHAT OUR CONTRACT DELIVERABLE COST AND THE DEFICIT THAT WE SEE AS THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA AND WHAT THAT OWNER SURRENDER COST IS. 
          SO YOU ARE AWARE OF THE TOTAL COST THAT WE HAVE THERE. 
          OKAY, THANKS STEP, UH, JENNIFER, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          SO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE WENT SEE IF SEDONA WENT TO YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATION TO REQUEST A SERVICE, RIGHT? WE, IS THAT ACCURATE? I'M SORRY. 
          SO WE GO TO THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA, ASKING THEM TO DO A SERVICE, PROVIDE A SERVICE FOR US THAT WE CAN'T DO FOR OURSELVES. 
          I REMEMBER BACK, THIS COULD BE LIKE THE FOURTH TIME I REFER TO THE FORMER CITY MANAGER WHO WENT YEARS AGO, AND THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY, BUT WAY BEFORE JENNIFER BECAME THE DIRECTOR TO LOOK AT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. 
          AND THEY WERE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE, UH, IT WOULD COST MORE TO DO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. 
          AND I, I BELIEVE THAT OUR ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER WOULD HAVE TO GO TO COTTONWOOD OR SOMEWHERE ELSE AND TIME CONSUMING AND IT, OR POLICE OFFICERS WOULD HAVE TO GO TO, UH, COTTONWOOD TO DROP OFF STRAYS. 
          AND IT WAS GONNA COST A LOT MORE. 
          IT, IT DID NOT PAY TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          SO THE CONTRACT WENT BACK TO THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA TO PROVIDE A SERVICE THAT WE CAN'T DO. 
          BUT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA AND WE BROUGHT IT IN-HOUSE, THINK OF WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE. 
          'CAUSE SOMEBODY HAS TO TAKE IN, UH, THE, THE, THE ANIMALS FROM THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEN THEY, WHETHER IF IT'S A DECEASED PERSON WITH, UH, AN ANIMAL OR IT'S A FOUND STRAY OR WHATEVER, CITIES NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. 
          SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO AN ORGANIZATION AND SAY, PROVIDE A SERVICE AND THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE THAT SERVICE, SHOULDN'T WE BE PAYING THEM FOR THE SERVICE? THAT'S MY, UH, POSITION HERE. 
          I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT. 
          I THINK THE WAY THE CONTRACT WAS SET UP INITIALLY WAS HERE'S OUR ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT'S GONNA COST US TO DO THE SERVICE FOR CITY OF SEDONA. 
          AND WE SAID, OKAY. 
          AND THERE'S AN 
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ESCALATORS IN THERE FOR EACH YEAR. 
          UM, AND WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THAT OUR CONTRACTS DON'T HAVE ANY TRUEUP PROVISION IN THEM SO THAT THIS PROVIDER CAN, AT THE END OF SOME SERVICE CYCLE SAY, HERE'S WHAT, HERE'S THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS WE ACTUALLY TOOK CARE FOR, UH, FOR YOU AND HOW MUCH IT REALLY COST US. 
          UM, WE JUST HAVE A FLAT AMOUNT IN THERE, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY THEY SERVE. 
          SO MAYBE IN ANOTHER YEAR THAT'S LESS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY RECONCILIATION OF WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND NO ABILITY TO TRUE UP THE PAYMENT FOR THE SERVICE THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING US. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S WHY JENNIFER'S WITH US NOW SAYING, HERE'S WHAT IT REALLY COST AND OUR ESTIMATE OR NEGOTIATION OR WHATEVER THEY AGREED TO, AND THE CITY AGREED TO BACK WHEN, UM, DIDN'T FORESEE THESE COST INCREASES OR VOLUME INCREASES OR WHATEVER. 
          SO NOW WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE THEY'VE DONE THE SERVICE AND WE HAVE NOT PAID THEM A ONE FOR ONE FOR WHAT, WHAT THEY'VE DONE. 
          AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR THAT. 
          I DON'T, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, NO, THAT'S PRETTY ACCURATE. 
          I THINK ONE THING I MAY HAVE LEFT OUT IS THAT PRIOR TO JENNIFER, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD WAY OF ACCOUNTING FOR EACH AND EVERY SERVICE THAT THEY PROVIDE, WHETHER IT'S MEDICAL, WHETHER IT'S WHATEVER THEY WOULD'VE TO DO FOR THE ANIMAL, THEY DIDN'T, IT WAS JUST A GUESSTIMATE BACK THEN. 
          NOW THEY'RE VERY, VERY CONCISE IN WHAT THE, THAT INFORMATION IS. 
          SO MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY KNOW FINALLY KNOW WHAT THE SERVICES COST AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE COMING FORWARD. 
          SO, UH, AM AM I ACCURATE IN WHAT I SAID, JENNIFER? YES, YOU'RE ACCURATE. 
          OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ONLY COUNTING FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA AS OUR CONTRACT HAS, UM, ONLY CITY OF SEDONA ANIMALS, AND THEN WHAT SERVICES WE'VE PROVIDED TO THOSE ANIMALS TO CARE FOR THEM AT THE SHELTER. 
          SO BRIAN WAS FIRST AND THEN HOLLY. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOUR ASK OF THE CITY RIGHT NOW IS WHAT, IS IT A 5% BUMP OR NO, NO. 
          I PUT THE 5% BUMP IN AS A PLACEHOLDER IN THE DECISION PACKAGE FOR THE CONVERSATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THE REQUEST FROM THE, THE SHELTER IS, UM, OR I GUESS I SHOULD SAY HUMANE SOCIETY, SORRY, UM, I'D HEARD WAS AROUND 130,000. 
          RIGHT? SO UP HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR CURRENT CONTRACT WITH THEM IS PAYING 94 4. 
          IF WE APPLIED JUST THE CONTRACT PROVISION PLUS THE ADDITIONAL 5%, IT WOULD GO UP TO 1 0 1. 
          SO THAT'S NOT EVEN $10,000. 
          SO THAT'S VERY SMALL COMPARED TO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          THE SOBERING, UH, FACT, UH, OR FIGURE ON, UH, ON WHAT YOU HANDED US IS $47 51 CENTS. 
          THAT IS THE DAY COST OF CARE PER ANIMAL. 
          THAT IS A VERY SOBERING NUMBER TO ME. 
          AND MY IMMEDIATE KNEE JERK REACTION IS THAT THOSE THAT ARE CREATING THAT COST NEED TO BE PAYING TO OFFSET THAT MORE AND MORE. 
          BUT THAT GETS INTO, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU RUNNING YOUR BUSINESS? AND WE'RE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT HOW YOU'RE RUNNING YOUR BUSINESS TODAY. 
          AND THE SAME GOES FOR THE OTHER CONTRACTED PROVIDERS, AND WE NEED TO GET TO A CONCLUSION ON THIS AND, AND CONTINUE TO MOVE ON. 
          I WISH I KNEW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER WAS, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE PEOPLE NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEMSELVES AND THE COST THAT THEY CREATE. 
          AND THAT INCLUDES FOR THE HUMANE SOCIETY AS WELL. 
          I KNOW THAT YOU DON'T WISH TO EUTHANIZE ANIMALS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF AT SOME POINT THIS BECOMES UNBEARABLE COST-WISE TO SUPPORT A A NO KILL SHELTER ENVIRONMENT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA SOLVE THAT TODAY. 
          UM, BESIDES THE HUMANE SOCIETY, WHO ELSE SPECIFICALLY MADE AN ASK FOR MORE MONEY THAN WHAT THEIR CONTRACT CALLS FOR? UM, SEDONA RECYCLES WOULD LIKE SOME ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER. 
          I DID NOT HEAR FROM THE HISTORIC SOCIETY, THE CAREGIVERS OR THE LIBRARY. 
          BUT SINCE THEY'RE ALL IN THE SAME POT AND NOT KNOWING IF YOUR, UM, BUDGETING PHILOSOPHY AND HOW YOU TREAT THIS GROUP OF CONTRACTS WOULD SAY THAT, OKAY, LET'S BE FAIR. 
          AND IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE AN INCREASE TO ONE, WE SHOULD GIVE AN INCREASE TO ALL OF THEM. 
          OR IF YOU WOULD WANT TO APPROACH IT AS LET'S JUST DIRECTLY RENEGOTIATE SOMETHING BECAUSE THE HUMANE SOCIETY ASKED OR WAS UNSURE WHAT YOUR PHILOSOPHY WOULD BE ON THAT. 
          UM, WELL, SPEAKING FOR ONE, MY PHILOSOPHY IS 
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IF THEY HAVEN'T COME AND ASKED FOR MORE MONEY, WHY WOULD I PLAN TO GIVE THEM MORE? THAT'S, THAT'S MY IMMEDIATE KNEE JERK REACTION. 
          I GUESS MY FEELING WAS WE DIDN'T SOLICIT FROM THEM AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY COULD ASK AND MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE, UM, KIND OF BACK TO THE SMALL GRANTS. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY, YEAH. 
          MY POINT ON THAT, RIGHT? YOU HAD TWO SAVVY ORGANIZATIONS AND THAT WENT AND MADE AN ASK AND NOW WE'RE SPENDING 200 GRAND MORE. 
          RIGHT? SO I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I I, BUT I'M PERSONALLY, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF BUMPING UP, UH, THE EXPENDITURE FOR ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVEN'T ASKED FOR MORE. 
          UM, I I, TO ME, I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN SOLVE WHAT THE RIGHT NUMBER IS HERE FOR EACH OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL UNIQUE IN THEIR OWN WAY, PROVIDING VALUE IN THEIR OWN UNIQUE WAYS. 
          I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH APPROVING SOME ADDITIONAL AMOUNT THAT GOD BLESS YOU, YOU ALL FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT WAY IS TO, TO DIVVY OUT. 
          BUT I, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN DECIDE HERE OTHER THAN IF WE JUST DO SOME BLANKET NUMBER, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE. 
          AND, AND I UNDERSTAND 5% IS ONLY ABOUT 2% OF WHAT HUMANE SOCIETY IS ASKING FOR . 
          SO I'M OPEN TO SOME GENIUS IDEA HERE, FOLKS. 
          OKAY, HOLLY AND, AND THEN PETE. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, THIS IS REALLY HARD. 
          I MEAN, I, I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT WHAT YOU'RE CONTRACTED TO PROVIDE FOR STRAYS THAT WERE SEIZED AND BROUGHT TO YOU SHOULD BE REIMBURSABLE. 
          AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S, I MEAN, REALLY CAN'T QUITE TELL. 
          SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, $130,445, THAT WAS WHAT THE HUMANE SOCIETY ATE THAT YEAR THAT WE COVERED THE COST OF THAT. 
          SO WHAT, THAT'S AFTER APPLYING THE 93,000 THAT YOU PROVIDED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THEN THE COST WOULD BE 2 23? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          THE NUMBER ABOVE THAT IS THE TOTAL COST THAT YEAR. 
          THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE OWNER SURRENDERED. 
          IT DOES NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHY I SEPARATED IT OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE I TO THE WHOLE LONG, HORRIBLE, BUT I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN PAY FOR THAT. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT IN YOUR CONTRACT. 
          AND WHETHER WE THINK WE SHOULD PAY FOR THOSE OR NOT SHOULD BE PART OF THE RECON RENEGOTIATED CONTRACT NEXT YEAR, IS MY VIEW. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE NOT CONTRACTED TO PAY FOR THAT, I MEAN, IF WE DIDN'T ASK YOU TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PAY FOR IT. 
          BUT WE MIGHT WANT TO ASK YOU TO PROVIDE THEMSELVES. 
          IT'S FOR ANOTHER DAY. 
          UH, THE, I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. 
          'CAUSE WHEN WE DID THIS DEEP DIVE, THE THEN DIRECTOR SAID, YOU CAN'T RELY ON ANY OF MY NUMBERS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO SHE THEN SAID TO US, AND I THINK THE CONTRACT WAS LIKE $50,000. 
          IT'S RIGHT. 
          UH, IT'S VERY LITTLE AMOUNT. 
          WE DON'T ASK THE CITY FOR VERY MUCH. 
          SO WE DON'T REALLY CARE IT, NOT THE EXACT WORDS, BUT THAT WAS THE SENTIMENT. 
          AND OUR NUMBERS CAN'T BE RELIED ON . 
          SO WE SAID, ALRIGHT, THEN WE'LL CONTINUE YOU AT WHAT, $50,000 OR WHATEVER IT WAS. 
          NOW I SEE THAT YOU HAVE A REALLY GOOD SYSTEM AND YOU, YOU CAN STAND BEHIND YOUR NUMBERS, BUT IT'S A BIG GAP FROM WHAT THE CONTRACTED AMOUNT IS. 
          HOW, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN YOUR ROLE? IT'LL BE SIX YEARS IN MAY. 
          WOW. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO I WANNA ASK YOU THIS QUESTION, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. 
          WHY HAVEN'T YOU COME BACK BEFORE? NO. 
          WELL, THE FIRST TIME I WAS BRAND NEW AND JUST HAD NOT HAD THIS EVEN IN PLACE, SO WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU THE DOCUMENTATION YOU WOULD'VE NEEDED. 
          AND THEN OUR LAST NEGOTIATION, UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS OUT VERY ILL. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          AND I PUT INFORMATION TOGETHER, BUT I THINK GIVEN MY, MY CONDITION AND THEN PASSING IT ON TO STEPHANIE, WE SAID WE'D ASK FOR SOMEWHAT OF AN INCREASE, WHICH YOU DID PROVIDE AND SEE WHERE THINGS GO. 
          AND ADMITTEDLY, OUR DONATIONS AND FUNDING, OTHER FUNDING WAS NOT DOWN. 
          WE WERE NOT SEEING THE DEFICIT THAT WE SEE NOW. 
          AND THE HUMANE SOCIETY IS RUNNING AT A DEFICIT. 
          AND THAT IS WITHOUT CHANGING OUR OPERATIONS. 
          AND YEAH. 
          SO WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU ASKING US FOR? WELL, WHAT MYSELF AND THE BOARD ARE ASKING FOR IS THE FULL AMOUNT THAT COVERED THE OWNER'S SURRENDERS. 
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BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MAY NEED TO WAIT UNTIL WE RENEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT NEXT YEAR KNOWING THIS IS A LAST YEAR. 
          SO, UM, BUT THE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA COVERS THE COST OF SERVICE FOR US TO PROVIDE TO WHAT OUR CONTRACT SAYS. 
          AND THAT IS FOR STRAY AND SEIZED ANIMALS. 
          SO YOU'RE ASKING INSTEAD OF THE 93,000 OR THE 90 A HUNDRED, 1000 THAT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE GIVE YOU 223,000 BASICALLY. 
          THAT SOUNDS CORRECT. 
          BASED ON THOSE NUMBERS. 
          THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THOSE. 
          SO,  OKAY. 
          YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, PETE, ANNETTE, UH, I WANTED TO ASK YOU, IN YOUR CONVERSATION WITH US, YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS, AT THE ROOT OF THIS PROBLEM IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOOK BACK OR YOU USED A WORD TRUE UP. 
          TRUE UP. 
          THAT'S TRUE OF OTHERS HERE TOO, RIGHT? SOME ARE MORE, UM, IF THE COMMUNITY CENTER ENDED UP SERVING WAY MORE MEALS THAN THEY THOUGHT THERE'S A TRUE UP. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND NONE OF 'EM ARE IN THE CONTRACT. 
          WE DON'T. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          WELL, ARE YOU DONE? YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          HE LEAN BACK IN HIS CHAIR. 
          I ASSUMED HE WAS DONE. 
          UM, I DON'T WANNA SOUND HARDHEARTED, BUT I'M GOING TO. 
          SO I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE. 
          UM, I AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR. 
          WE SHOULDN'T BE CONSIDERING PAYING FOR SERVICES NOW AT THE LAST YEAR THAT WEREN'T CONTRACTED FOR ALL THE WAY ALONG. 
          I ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. 
          YOU HAVE A THREE YEAR CONTRACT. 
          WHEN YOU COME IN WITH A THREE YEAR CONTRACT, YOU SHOULD FIGURE IT'S GOING TO GET MORE EXPENSIVE FOR FOOD, FOR MEDICINE THAT YOU MAY GET MORE ANIMALS. 
          IF YOU'RE DOING, UM, MEALS ON WHEELS, FOOD IS GONNA GET MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          UM, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. 
          EVERY, IF YOU WERE COMING IN FOR A THREE YEAR CONTRACT, I WOULD EXPECT YOU TO HAVE SORT OF FILLED ALL OF THAT IN AND ASK FOR THE AMOUNT THAT YOU BELIEVE WILL BE AS CLOSE AS FEASIBLE TO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA NEED FOR THOSE THREE YEARS. 
          BECAUSE YOU CAN'T NORMALLY COME BACK TO THE WELL AND GET ANOTHER SIP. 
          THAT'S WHY IT'S A THREE YEAR CONTRACT, NOT A, A TWO AND A HALF YEAR CONTRACT, NOT A TWO YEAR CONTRACT. 
          SO EITHER WE NEED TO, AS A CITY, CHANGE THE WAY WE DO THE CONTRACTS AND SAY THEIR ANNUAL CONTRACTS, ALLOWING EVERYBODY WHO IS ON A SERVICE CONTRACT TO READ, NEGOTIATE EVERY YEAR BASED ON THEIR COSTS, UM, OR LACK OF DONATION FUNDING. 
          OR WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, LOOK, WE'RE SITTING HERE TRYING TO CUT OUT STUFF. 
          WE JUST GAVE $200,000 WHILE WE WERE VERY BUSY TRYING TO CUT BACK HOW MUCH WE WERE PUTTING INTO THE BUDGET. 
          RIGHT? IF WE KEEP ADDING IN, THEN WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH THE BUDGET THAT WE END UP WITH. 
          AND WE CAN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY IS IN THAT BUDGET. 
          BUT I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO A CONTRACT, YOU NEED TO TRY AND ESTIMATE AS BEST AS YOU CAN, UM, FOR THAT THREE YEAR CONTRACT. 
          I THINK THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS SAYING, LET'S GIVE EVERYONE A 5%. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S GENEROUS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CONTRACT. 
          UM, AND SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF DOING THE FULL AMOUNT FOR THIS CONTRACT BECAUSE IT'S UNFAIR AND WHETHER THE OTHER PEOPLE CAME OR NOT, IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          WE HAVE TO SET A PRECEDENT ON HOW WE DEAL WITH CONTRACTS. 
          AND IF YOU WANT TO COME EVERY BUDGET YEAR AS A CONTRACT HOLDER, AND WE MAKE IT KNOWN THAT YOU CAN DO THAT AND ASK FOR MORE MONEY, THEN WE AS A COUNCIL NEED TO BE AWARE THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN EVERY SINGLE YEAR. 
          SO I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THE, THE BUMP IS GENEROUS IF WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S YOUR LAST YEAR AND DO AN AWESOME JOB OVERESTIMATING HOW MUCH YOU'RE GONNA NEED IN YOUR NEXT THREE YEAR CONTRACT. 
          KATHY, THE, WHEN THE, UM, LIBRARY CAME TO US, WAS THAT MID-CONTRACT OR WAS THAT AT A CONTRACT NEGOTIATION POINT? I WASN'T SURE. 
          SO I IT WAS MID-CONTRACT. 
          AND WHEN THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY CAME TO US, WAS THAT MID-CONTRACT AS WELL? UH, NO. 
          'CAUSE THEY HAD, THEY HAD, THEY ONLY DID, THEY CAME IN THE MIDDLE OF A CYCLE, BUT NOT IN THE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A NEW CONTRACT. 
          IT WAS A NEW CONTRACT NEGOTIATION WHEN THEY GOT PUMPED. 
          BUT IT WAS A NEW ASK FOR THE DIRECTOR THAT WAS NEVER IN THE . 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          THAT WAS THE BRAND NEW CONCEPT. 
          NO, THAT I KNOW, 
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BUT IT WASN'T, BUT IT WASN'T MID-CONTRACT. 
          THEY DID IT WHEN THE CONTRACT ENDED. 
          'CAUSE I, I, FIRST OF ALL, I MEAN, I AM, I SUPPORT THE CITY MANAGER PUTTING IN TO INCREASE BECAUSE I THINK ACROSS THE BOARD, WE KNOW THE RECYCLING CENTER IS, UM, STRUGGLING. 
          WE KNOW THAT MEALS ON WHEELS AT THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER IS STRUGGLING. 
          YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT ALL THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE STRUGGLING. 
          SO I, I ABSOLUTELY AT MINIMUM SUPPORT THE EXTRA 5% THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS RECOMMENDED. 
          THAT'S, AGAIN, THE MINIMUM. 
          UM, I DON'T, I AGREE THOUGH THAT IT'S NOT GOOD POLICY TO DO MID CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS, BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE PRECEDENT FOR HAVING DONE IT IN THE PAST. 
          UM, SO IT'S NOT OFF THE TABLE. 
          THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO IT HERE AND NOW. 
          I THINK WHAT I WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO THROW A NUMBER OUT MORE THAN 5%, I WOULD ENTERTAIN THAT AS WELL. 
          BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THE, WITH THE 5% BUMP THAT THE ON TOP OF THE 2.5% CPI, SO THAT THE TOTAL INCREASE IS A 7.5% INCREASE, UM, TO THE BUDGETS FOR THESE ORGANIZATIONS. 
          AND THEN THAT, THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND THE, AND THE, UM, AND THE DIRECTOR WHO HAS A VERY SPECIFIC ASK, FIGURE THAT OUT SEPARATELY AS HAS HAPPENED WITH THE LIBRARY, UM, WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. 
          I MEAN, I JUST, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. 
          I THINK THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. 
          SO I THINK FOR OUR PURPOSES AT THE MOMENT, I'M WILLING TO GO MINIMUM 5%. 
          I WOULD ENTERTAIN MORE IF I COULD PLEASE CLARIFY, COUNSELOR KINSELLA. 
          I MEAN, THIS CONTRACT WOULD COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL BECAUSE OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. 
          I DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THIS. 
          UM, RIGHT. 
          WHICH IS WHAT I EXPLAINED. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I'M JUST SAYING TO DO THE, THE FOOTWORK TO GET TO A POINT OF RECOMMEND RECOMMENDING TO THE COUNCIL WITH SOMETHING. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO LET ME JUST THROW THIS OUT THERE. 
          THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, THE HUMANE, NOT TO HUMANE SOCIETY, THE MM-HMM . 
          UH, HISTORICAL SOCIETY, THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THE LIBRARY CAME TO US SAYING ULTIMATELY YEARS AGO, WE NEED MONEY. 
          WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT. 
          WE'RE PROVIDING SERVICES FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. 
          WE NEED, ESPECIALLY MEALS ON WHEELS IS REALLY HURTING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THIS IS DIFFERENT. 
          SO THIS IS, WE WENT TO THE ORGANIZATION AND WE SAID, THIS IS THE SERVICES THAT WE NEED TAKEN CARE OF SO WE DON'T HAVE TO INCUR THE COSTS. 
          IT'S LITERALLY APPLES AND ORANGES BECAUSE OF THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. 
          NOW, I, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, MID-CONTRACT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT LET'S KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN THIS CONTRACT EXPIRES, TWO THINGS CAN HAPPEN. 
          OKAY? ONE, THE, THE CONTRACT'S WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PAYING $200,000 FOR THEIR SERVICES, OR WE FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES. 
          THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PICKINGS OF, UH, OR THREE, WE COULD ACTUALLY TAKE IT IN-HOUSE AND DO IT OURSELVES BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS TO TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMALS BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE STRAYS AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE REGION HERE THAT COULD DO A JOB AS GOOD AS THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA, BECAUSE I'VE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S BEEN THERE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE KIND OF SERVICE THAT THEY HAVE. 
          IT'S A TOP SHELF OPERATION. 
          SO IF, YES, 5%, IT'S NICE IF THAT'S FITS INTO THE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST YEAR AND JENNIFER'S FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I, I TEND TO THINK THAT ULTIMATELY IT'S COMING DOWN THE PIKE THAT EITHER THEY'RE GONNA WALK AWAY, WE'RE GONNA WALK AWAY, OR WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY MONEY AS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING. 
          SO ALL, WE CUT OUT THE AMOUNT OF OUR ASK WHERE WE'RE ONLY ASKING FOR CERTAIN THINGS. 
          WHAT A, UH, A POUND IS THAT A, YOU KNOW, DOG POUND, THE OLD DAYS, THE POLICE, THE DOG, UH, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT DO WE CALL ROCK? WHAT'S HIS TITLE? ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          HE'S NOT A DOOR CATCHER. 
          , BECAUSE HE TAKES ALL, ALL KIND OF ANIMALS, WHATEVER IS, YOU KNOW, DROPPED OFF FROM OUR, OUR STAFF. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE IT. 
          I MEAN, WE COULD TAILOR IT, BUT THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THOSE ANIMALS? THEY'D BE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD JUST SET 'EM FREE AND THEY'D BE STRAYS. 
          AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN OUR CITY, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT, UH, IF THIS IS, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO JUST WAIT FOR, YOU KNOW, ACCEPT THE 5%, AND THAT'S FINE. 
          I GET IT. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S COMING DOWN THE PIKE. 
          WE HAVE ONE YEAR TO, TO, SO, AND I REMEMBER, WERE YOU HERE WHEN 
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KAREN DID THE RESEARCH? WERE YOU ON COUNCIL THEN? NO. 
          SO THAT SHE WENT OUT AND SHE SEARCHED BECAUSE, WELL, I DON'T WANNA REHASH THAT, BUT IT, IT DIDN'T WORK OUT WELL. 
          SO, DEREK, YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? YEAH, I MEAN, I WANNA POINT OUT THAT WE PRETTY REGULARLY, I SAY WE HAVEN'T BEEN ON COUNCIL THAT LONG, BUT WE DO REGULARLY APPROVE CHANGE ORDERS FROM CONTRACTORS WHO COME TO US HAT IN HAND, OH, I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS PROJECT WAS GONNA COST AN EXTRA $750,000 ORDERS, . 
          AND OKAY, I MEAN, THIS IS AFTER THE FACT. 
          I GET THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, BUT DID WE KNOW THIS SERVICE WAS BEING, DID WE KNOW THEY WERE DOING THIS? WELL, THERE'S TWO SEPARATE THINGS. 
          THERE'S THE SERVICE THEY PROVIDE THAT WE DIDN'T ASK FOR, AND THE SERVICE THAT WE DID ASK FOR THAT COST MORE MONEY THAN WE ALLOCATED. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THE SERVICE WE DIDN'T ASK FOR, DID WE NEVERTHELESS KNOW THAT THEY WERE DOING THIS? I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S MY QUE DID WE, DID THE CITY BASICALLY BE LIKE, OH YEAH, THEY'RE DOING THAT TOO. 
          GREAT. 
          OKAY, WELL JUST KEEP QUIET AND LET THEM KEEP, WELL, I GUESS COUNSELOR FAFF, I WOULD, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE, THE PREMISES, IF THAT'S EVEN CORRECT WORD, UM, OF OUR CONTRACT IS THAT THE SEDONA HUMANE SOCIETY PROVIDES A FUNCTION THAT WE DON'T PROVIDE OURSELVES, BUT THEY ALSO PROVIDE MORE THAN THAT TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND WE'RE THEREFORE NOT EXPECTED TO FUND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR OPERATION. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S LINES OF BUSINESS WITHIN THE HUMANE SOCIETY THAT, UM, LIKE CARING FOR ANIMALS THAT PEOPLE HAVE VOLUNTARILY GIVEN UP. 
          AND THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD THAT BE THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY FOR THAT? UM, THAT'S WHAT IT FUNDAMENTALLY COMES DOWN TO. 
          SO YES, WE KNOW THAT THEY PROVIDE A NUMBER OF SERVICES, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYONE EVER EXPECTED THAT THE CITY ITSELF WOULD PAY FOR ALL THE WHOLE RANGE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          NO, IT DOES. 
          IT DOES. 
          I, THAT'S A FAIR POINT. 
          BUT I JUST, I FEEL LIKE WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME UNDER FAR LESS, I DON'T WANNA SAY DESERVING CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT I MEAN, WE HAVE A WORLD CLASS HUMANE SOCIETY AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. 
          PERSONALLY, I WOULD PROBABLY EXERCISE SOME FLEXIBILITY HERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD GO TO A HUNDRED, YOU KNOW, 130,000 MORE. 
          I THOUGHT THE ASK WAS 30,000 MORE. 
          AND PETE AND I WERE TALKING AND HE GOES, NO, IT'S 130,000. 
          I WOULDN'T GO THAT FAR, BUT I WOULD PERSONALLY BE MORE GENEROUS THAN WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING. 
          MAYOR, YOU SAID THIS IS KIND OF THE APPLES AND ORANGES, BUT I'M NOT REALLY SURE IT IS. 
          THE RECYCLE CENTER HAD BUDGET PROBLEMS AS WELL, AND THEY DECIDED TO STOP DOING, UH, STYROFOAM AND THEY CUT DOWN THE REMOTE THINGS TO CHANGE THEIR BUDGET. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE DIDN'T SPECIFY IN THE CONTRACT WHAT MATERIALS AND IF SOMETHING GOT POPULAR AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, SO, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T COME BACK. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT STYROFOAM ISN'T A LIVING CREATURE THAT RIGHT. 
          NEEDS TO BE CARED FOR, TO, TO ADDRESS THAT POINT. 
          WE DIDN'T GO TO THE RECYCLING CENTER AND SAY, OH, START UP AN OPERATION BECAUSE WE REALLY CARE ABOUT THE WOMAN FUZZY STUFF OF RECYCLING HOW IMPORTANT IT IS. 
          THEY HAVE, WERE IN PLACE PROBABLY BEFORE WE INCORPORATED, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HISTORY IS, SEAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEY SAID, THEY CAME TO US AND SAID, WE ARE STRUGGLING. 
          WE NEED HELP SEAL. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY APPLES AND ORANGES. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT TO, I MEAN TO DARREN'S POINT, THEY, IF WE HAD THIS CULTURE, THEY COULD HAVE COME BACK TO US HAT IN HAND AND SAID, WOW, THINGS ARE OUTTA CONTROL AND WE NEED MORE MONEY. 
          AND THEY DIDN'T DO THAT. 
          THEY JUST CUT SERVICES. 
          FAIR. 
          UM, CUTTING SERVICES UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          MAY I THROW OUT A SUGGESTION? SURE. 
          UM, ACTUALLY NOT MY SUGGESTION, KURT'S SUGGESTION, BUT IT'S A GOOD ONE. 
          UM, HE REMINDED ME THAT I DO HAVE AUTHORITY TO SIGN CONTRACT AMENDMENTS. 
          UM, I HAD IT IN MY MIND 10%, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER PROVISION IN THE, UM, DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY THAT ALSO GRANTS ME AUTHORITY UP TO $75,000. 
          SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO TRY TO RESOLVE THIS WITHIN MY AUTHORITY, WHICH I BELIEVE IS $75,000, I CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN I GUESS I JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT IF IT'S LIKE UP TO THAT FOR THE BUDGET PURPOSE, UM, SO THAT THEY KNOW HOW MUCH THIS WOULD IMPACT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          BUT THERE IS THAT ABILITY. 
          OKAY, WELL, BRIAN, AN ADDER ON, COULD THAT BE AN ADDER ON TO EXISTING THING IF, BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THIS 
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CONTRACT, I HAVE AUTHORITY FOR CHANGE ORDERS OF 10% OR $75,000, WHICHEVER IS GREATER. 
          SO IT'S NOT A PROVISION IN THE CODE THAT WE'VE APPLIED TO SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACTS BEFORE, BUT WHEN COUNCILOR FAF BROUGHT UP OR UH, CHANGE ORDERS, IT'S LIKE, YEAH, IT COULD APPLY AND IT DOES IT TO PURCHASES OF SERVICES, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY COUNSEL. 
          SO IS THAT IN COVER JUST WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT OUR ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS? IN THE DIFFERENCE OF THAT, THAT SERVICE? RIGHT. 
          IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT, LIKE ADD NEW SERVICES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU. 
          BUT FOR THE SERVICES YOU'VE ALREADY AUTHORIZED, UM, I BELIEVE I WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHIN MY AUTHORITY, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          AND SO THE, THE CONTRACTS ALREADY HAVE THAT BUILT IN 2.5% CPI. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE APPROVED. 
          I'M, AND THEN COUNCIL WOULD'VE TO JUST GIVE THE CITY MANAGER A NUMBER THAT SHE COULD DETERMINE AMONG THE, IF ANYONE ELSE NEEDS A CHANGE ORDER, THEY CAN COME IN AND PUT IN A CHANGE ORDER REQUEST, BASICALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          BRIAN, BE APPROVED OR DENIED. 
          YOU HAVE HER DISCUSSION IF IT'S WITHIN HER AUTHORITY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'VE BEATEN THIS THING BEYOND TO DEATH. 
          WE GOTTA GET THIS DONE. 
          SO ANNETTE, YOUR IDEA, YOU'RE, IN ADDITION TO YOU EXERCISING YOUR AUTHORITY, YOU'RE ASKING FOR A POT OF GOLD NOT TO EXCEED. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED AMONGST ANY CHANGES THAT YOU MIGHT MAKE IN THESE FIVE CONTRACTS. 
          IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? I THINK WERE YOU ASKING JUST TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THAT? I WAS JUST SUGGESTED NUMBER WAS TALKING ABOUT ONE CONTRACT. 
          UM, BUT I GUESS I DON'T WANNA GO INTO RENEGOTIATIONS ON THE THIRD YEAR WITH ALL FIVE PEOPLE JUST TO TURN AROUND AND DO ANOTHER RENEGOTIATION FOR THE NEXT NEW CONTRACT. 
          THAT'S WHY I WAS PROPOSING, OKAY, MAYBE WE JUST DO AN ACROSS THE BOARD BUMP AND GET TO THE NEXT NEGOTIATION. 
          BUT IF THERE IS A DESIRE OF THE COUNCIL TO DO SOMETHING IN THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE FOR ALL THE REASONS YOU'VE BEEN DEBATING, UM, AND YOU WERE COMFORTABLE WITH SOMETHING LESS THAN 75, THEN I WOULD, WOULD GO OFF AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M, I'M TAPPED OUT. 
          SO , I THINK WE ALL LIKE KATHY. 
          I I WOULD LIKE TO DO BOTH. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THE 5% BUMP ACROSS THE BOARD TO THESE, BECAUSE AS I SAID, EACH IS HURTING. 
          AND I THINK THIS WAS A VERY REASONABLE, AND SO THAT'S THE GOING IN AND IT'S A ONE TIME. 
          AND THEN I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO SIT DOWN WITH THE HUMANE SOCIETY'S DIRECTOR OF RE ON THE REQUEST OF THE CHANGE ORDER. 
          AND THAT THAT HAPPENED ABOVE AND BEYOND, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S NOT TOUCHING THIS, THAT THIS IS ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL FIVE AND THAT, THAT BE NEGOTIATED SEPARATELY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN I WOULD NEED TO SEE THE MAJORITY. 
          'CAUSE I THOUGHT I HEARD THREE NOS ALREADY, UM, TO CHANGING THE CONTRACT. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY, YOU ALSO HAVE THE CONTINGENCY, RIGHT? NO, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A CONTINGENCY TO PAY FOR THIS. 
          BARBARA WOULD HAVE TO FIND A CONTINGENCY IN THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IN IN CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS, WHERE THIS IS USUALLY USED, THERE IS THAT CONTINGENCY, RIGHT? THAT'S SITTING OUT THERE. 
          THESE DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF CONTINGENCY, BUT THE CITY MANAGER HAS A CONTINGENCY BUDGET. 
          UM, I USED, I DO NOT THINK I HAVE ANYTHING LEFT IN THE CURRENT YEAR. 
          I FUNDED THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE LOBBYIST CONTRACT AND A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT YOU COUNSEL ASKED FOR. 
          AND IF YOU'LL RECALL THE, THE TOTAL CONTINGENCIES THIS YEAR WERE ONLY 925,000. 
          THEY'RE NORMALLY ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILLION FOR SOME REASON LAST YEAR WE REDUCED IT CONSIDERABLY. 
          SO SHE DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF CONTINGENCY. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE A CONTINGENCY? NO. 
          WELL, I'D HAVE TO GO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO, HOW TO PAY FOR IT, BUT I DON'T IN THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET, I DON'T HAVE ANY, LET'S PUT IT IN THE 2026. 
          OKAY, WELL LET'S, SO I'M TRYING TO HELP YOU COME TO A CONCLUSION ON THE ITEM . 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I, I JUST NEED TO KNOW IF THERE'S A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT OR NOT, BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY HEARD THREE SAY THEY DIDN'T WANNA CHANGE THE CONTRACT. 
          UH, COULD WE DO THE THUMBS UP THUMB? HANG ON. 
          HANG ON. 
          HANG ON ONE SECOND. 
          WHEN WE SAY CHANGE THE CONTRACT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SERVICES PROVIDED OR ARE YOU ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE FUNDING? I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FUNDING. 
          I THOUGHT I HEARD STATEMENTS. 
          YEAH, LET'S BE REALLY CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING TO ADD TO THE SERVICES WE'RE WE'RE PAYING FOR, BUT RATHER TO RETAIN THE SAME SERVICES BUT CHANGE THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE FUNDING THEM FOR THE REMAINING ONE YEAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          I'VE HEARD THREE NOTES. 
          THUMBS UP FOR SUPPORT, 
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PLEASE. 
          SO KATHY HAS TO LEAVE. 
          WE HAVE ONE, TWO LIVING CREATURE. 
          JESUS CHRIST. 
          HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET. 
          YOU'VE GOT THE, YOU'VE GOT IT. 
          SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          BYE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THE CITY IS EXPENSIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          STEPHANIE WITH A GUN. 
          I HAD A QUESTION TO ASK . 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL. 
          OH NO, YOU DON'T WANNA DO THAT'S CHIEF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAND DOWN WHAT I WAS CONFUSED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, WE HAVE A DOG CATCHER. 
          THAT PERSON PICKS UP STRAYS AND BRINGS THEM TO THE HUMANE SOCIETY. 
          IS IT THAT SIMPLE? YEP, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, THAT'S PART OF THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE, THAT THEY KEEP SPACE AVAILABLE SO THAT IF IT'S AFTER HOURS AND WE CAN'T REACH THE OWNER THERE, THE DOG DOESN'T HAVE A COLLAR, WE CAN'T SCAN IT FOR, UM, THE TAG INSIDE THE, THE MICROCHIP. 
          THEN WE DROP OFF THERE. 
          WE HAVE ACCESS TO THEM AFTER HOURS WHEN THEY'RE NOT THERE, WE FILL OUT PAPERWORK AND THE MORNING THEY GO THROUGH THEIR PROCESS. 
          AND THAT WAY THE, THE ANIMAL DOES HAVE A PLACE PRE PREVIOUSLY, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, I DON'T WANNA COMPLICATE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE HAD TRIED TO USE, UM, BARK AND PER, BUT IT WASN'T MEETING THE NEEDS AS WELL. 
          SO THERE WERE OTHER TO WHAT, UM, THE MAYOR WAS SAYING OF OTHER EFFORTS THAT WERE ATTEMPTED. 
          HOWEVER, EVEN TRYING TO USE OTHER, UM, HUMANE SOCIETIES AND OTHER CITIES THAT WASN'T AS SUCCESSFUL BASED ON THE TIME. 
          AND SO, UM, ROCK IS, UH, A COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICER. 
          SO WE HAVE TWO OF THOSE. 
          WE HAVE ONE TEMPORARY UNTIL HE GOES TO THE ACADEMY. 
          SO ALL OF THEM HAVE THAT SAME CAPACITY. 
          ROCK JUST ACTS MORE AS A SPECIALTY TO THAT BECAUSE HE IS TAKEN THESE ADVANCED CLASSES ON CAPTURING AND, AND MORE SAFELY RESCUING ANIMALS. 
          SO IF WE DID NOT HAVE THE HUMANE SOCIETY HERE IN TOWN, WE'D BE HAVING A PROBLEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, I WOULD COME TO YOU WITH A REALLY BIG DECISION PACKAGE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BECOME, THAT, THAT WOULD BECOME A LOT. 
          AND UH, I AM NOT READY FOR THAT SPACE. 
          THERE'D BE A REMODEL. 
          I COULD GO ON, BUT I'LL LET, I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THAT. 
          I KNOW YOU TAKE EVERY, EVERY STRAY DOG YOU COULD. 
          I KNOW YOU WOULD . 
          OH, UM, ME PERSONALLY? YEAH. 
          UH, NO. 
          I'M ANIMALISTS RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S PRETTY GOOD FOR TOYS. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BATHROOM BREAK? SURE. 
          THERE'S ONLY TWO MORE. 
          TWO MORE. 
          AND THEN WE'RE DONE. 
          WELL, IT COULD BE LIKE ANOTHER TWO HOURS FOR THE TWO MORE. 
          IT SHOULD BE QUICK BECAUSE, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSES ALREADY DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          CITY MANAGER RE WELL WE HAVE CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          CITY COUNCIL DECISION, UH, DISCUSSION AND THEN WRAP UP. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I THOUGHT YOU MEANT JUST THE COUPLE WALKED ON THE DECISION PAGE. 
          OH, OVER THIS. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OH GEE, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT TOO. 
          BEING OKAY. 
          NO MORE POLICE STUFF I THINK. 
          RIGHT? WE'RE DONE. 
          . 
          THERE'S THE, OH, THERE IS ONE MORE. 
          THE VERY NEXT ITEM. 
          MILLION ITEM. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S THE, UH, THE PILOT PROGRAM. 
          ELECTRIC VEHICLE POLICE CAR THAT, UM, I HAD RECOMMENDED. 
          NO, WE SAID NO. 
          NO. 
          UH, YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT SERGEANT. 
          I FIGURED  OKAY. 
          THE POWER WASH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WHERE? YEP. 
          UH, PUBLIC WORKS VEHICLE REQUESTS. 
          PUBLIC WORKS VEHICLES. 
          WE SKIPPED OVER THAT. 
          THAT'S ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M GETTING SO, SO SUSTAINABLE. 
          I DON'T THINK, YEAH, THERE'S NO APPETITE FOR THE SUSTAINABLE POLICE VEHICLE. 
          I'M NOT SEEING ANY. 
          THEN WE GO DOWN TO PUBLIC WORKS VEHICLE REQUEST. 
          I'M HAVING ANDY LOOK THAT UP REAL QUICK 'CAUSE I'M TIRED. 
           YEAH. 
          I'M NOT REMEMBERING THIS. 
          I KNOW THAT FEELING, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT IS A, UM, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A PICKUP FOR THE FACILITIES MAINTENANCE OR THE TCAS. 
          ONE OF THOSE FUNCTIONS. 
          DO YOU REMEMBER STERLING? SO PUBLIC WORKS HAD GIVEN ONE OF THEIR VEHICLES THE VOLKSWAGEN ID FOUR TO SUSTAINABILITY. 
          AND THEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT REPLACING THAT. 
          SO WE DECIDED, UM, THAT THEY NEEDED AN ADDITIONAL VEHICLE WITH THAT TRANSFER. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAS. 
          THE UH, I BELIEVE THEY'RE GETTING, UH, A CHEVY SILVERADO AN ELECTRIC. 
          I NEED TO, THEY'VE BEEN BUYING EV SILVERADOS AND WITH S AND USING EV. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S EV I BELIEVE SO. 
          IT'S NOT TESLA. 
          NO. 
          . 
          IT'S A SILVERADO EV. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN. 
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BUY IT NOW. 
          BUY IT NOW. 
          IT'S PROBABLY, SO IT'S ONLY, AND JOANNE, YOU'RE GONNA SHOW KATHY KINSELLA LEFT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WASN'T AWARE. 
          YEAH, SHE LEFT. 
          SHE HAD TO CATCH A FLIGHT. 
          AND SO NOW WE'RE SIX AND WE HAVE, I THINK IT'S UH, FIVE TO ONE AND I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY MAJORITY CONSENSUS. 
          YES. 
          I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE BOTTOM TWO IS UM, IN YOUR EARLIER DISCUSSIONS WE DID, WE DID. 
          UH, NO. 
          ON THE POWER WASH. 
          AND THEN YOU ALREADY MADE YOUR DECISION AROUND THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONTINGENCY. 
          CORRECT. 
          DROPPING IT TO TWO. 
          OKAY, NOW WE'RE DONE. 
          ARE WE CIRCLING BACK LIKE, UH, KATHY HAD RECOMMENDED FOR THE E ECIS GRANT CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. 
          IT WAS THE SECOND, THE GRANT SOFTWARE. 
          YOU WANTED TO KNOW WHERE YOU WERE AT WITH ALL OF THE CHANGES IN DOLLAR AMOUNTS BEFORE YOU, LIKE WHERE, WHERE WE'VE LANDED WITH EVERYTHING AT THIS AT THIS POINT. 
          THE TOTAL BUDGET WOULD BE ABOUT 1 0 3 9 30, WHICH IS 2.3 MILLION LESS THAN LAST YEAR OR 2.2%. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH RIGHT NOW. 
          WITH EVERYTHING. 
          EVERYTHING YOU'VE APPROVED, I CAN DO THAT. 
          AND INCLUDING AN ASSUMPTION OF 75,000 FOR WHAT YOU'VE TOLD ANNETTE SHE SHOULD WORK ON WITH THE HUMANE SOCIETY. 
          BUT THAT'S TOTAL BUDGET, RIGHT? CIP PLUS OPERATING. 
          YEAH. 
          HOW'S THE OPERATING COMPARE YEAR OVER YEAR OPERATING IS A DECREASE. 
          MOSTLY BECAUSE WE HAD THE PSPR RISK ONE TIME CONTRIBUTION LAST YEAR. 
          I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'D HAVE TO LOOK IT UP. 
          I BELIEVE IT WAS 57.8 MILLION AND THIS YEAR WE'RE AT 56, UH, 0.4 MILLION. 
          SO ABOUT MILLION 0.4 DECREASE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO ARE WE CIRCLING BACK TO THE GRANT PROGRAM, UH, SOFTWARE? 'CAUSE BECAUSE MY, MY COMMENT IS IT'S $34,000 GIVEN OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE. 
          IF THIS, IF THIS CAN HELP US FIND GRANTS ONE, GRANTS ONE GRANT THAT WE CAN BE SUCCESSFUL AT IS PAID FOR ITSELF, BUT WE DON'T KNOW. 
          THEY WERE GONNA GET BACK TO US TO TELL US WHETHER THEY, THE GRANTS INCLUDED FOUNDATIONS AND OTHER THINGS BESIDES PRIVATE. 
          THE GOVERNMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          PRIVATE. 
          WHEN'S THE BUDGET COME BACK IN FRONT OF US AGAIN? MAY, MAY 27TH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE CAN DECIDE THEN WE'LL, WE'LL, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION THERE ABOUT COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ERP RIGHT. 
          AND THE IMPACT OF WHETHER IT'S COMPATIBLE OR NOT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO IT WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH QUESTA 'CAUSE IT COMES FROM THE SAME UM, UH, SOFTWARE PROVIDER, WHICH IS UNA. 
          SO IT WILL CONNECT DIRECTLY WITH OUR BUDGET SOFTWARE. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF IT'LL CONNECT DIRECTLY WITH THE ERP SYSTEM. 
          THIS, THIS JUST SAS SOFTWARE. 
          UH, YES. 
          PASSWORD. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DID WE VOTE ON THE GRANT? I LOOKED DOWN. 
          DID WE VOTE ON THE GRANT SOFTWARE? VOTE ON THAT. 
          SO LET ME ASK A QUESTION. 
          I DO WANNA TALK ABOUT THE REVENUE FORECAST AND THEN WE DO HAVE THIS UNALLOCATED MONEY. 
          DO WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT NOW OR WE WANNA WAIT? NOW'S THE TIME. 
          I THINK IF YOU DON'T MIND SPENDING A LITTLE MORE TIME WITH US TO HAVE THE SCENARIO, UH, THING UP. 
          IF YOU CAN GO TO THE MUNI CAST. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE YOU'RE ENDING UP. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, THERE AREN'T ANY ADDITIONAL BUDGET REQUESTS OR ANY CHANGES IN YOUR MATERIALS THAT YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY ADDRESSED. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          CHERYL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE, UH, THREE DIFFERENT FUNDS. 
          IS THERE ANYONE IN PARTICULAR YOU'D WANNA START OFF WITH? WE HAVE THE GENERAL FUND, THE WASTEWATER AND CIP FUND WITH I'M GUESSING THE GENERAL FUND. 
          'CAUSE I'M GOING TO ANTICIPATE THAT THE, UM, CHOICES COUNCIL MAY STILL WANT TO MAKE ARE RELATED TO, UM, DEBT SERVICE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          OR WHICH MUST BE IN THE GENERAL FUND. 
          RIGHT? UM, MOST OF THE DEBT SERVICE IS ACTUALLY GONNA IMPACT THE CIP. 
          OH, IS THAT OKAY? SINCE THE GENERAL SERVICE FUND IS GENERAL SERVICES IN THERE, RIGHT. 
          IT'S SUPPLEMENTING WHATEVER INCOME THEY RECEIVES TO CIP. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE PUT IN, UH, BARBARA AND I MET AND WE PUT IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. 
          UM, IF COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SCENARIOS UP HERE, IF WE HAVE OPTIONS WHERE WE CAN LOAD THESE IN THE, THE ONES THAT WE DID JUST COME UP WITH, AS WE WERE THINKING BECAUSE THEY WERE HIGH COST DOLLAR AMOUNTS WERE IF THE CITY WERE TO PROPOSE A RECREATION CENTER, UH, ADDITIONALLY IF THE CITY WAS TO FULLY CONTRIBUTE, 
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UH, FUNDS TOWARDS AN ALTERNATE ROUTE OVER OAK CREEK. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO IF THE CITY WERE TO FUND A RECREATION CENTER, WE PUT THAT COST AT $60 MILLION. 
          I KNOW THAT SEEMS ABSURD AND YET IT'S PROBABLY REALITY. 
          ARE YOU OKAY DEBORAH? SO YOU CAN SEE IT QUICKLY SENDS, UM, CIP INTO THE NEGATIVE. 
          AND THEN IF WE WERE TO ADD IN ADDITION TO THAT, AN ALTERNATE ROUTE OVER OAK CREEK, UH, CONTINUES TO DROP THAT NEGATIVE. 
          SO ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES THAT BARBARA AND I TALKED ABOUT IS DECREASING OTHER ASPECTS OF THE CIP BUDGET. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT SECTIONS OF THE CIP BUDGET THEY WOULD WANT TO CUT. 
          BUT IF WE STARTED OFF WITH A $10 MILLION CUT, THAT DOES HELP THE BUDGET OVERALL BE ABLE TO AFFORD SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. 
          AND THIS IS ASSUMING THAT THESE WOULD BE, UM, DEBT FUNDED. 
          I FEEL LIKE FRED SANFORD RIGHT NOW, MARY, I'M HAVING THE BIG ONE. 
          , WE, WE, YEAH. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHAT THE PURPOSE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS YOU'RE ADDING A, SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT. 
          WELL, TELL 'EM WHAT YOU WANNA DO. 
          OH, SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          STERLING. 
          YEAH, I I THINK THAT'S, I'M TRYING TO REDUCE REVENUE NEXT YEAR AND SEE WHAT THE IMPACT, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BUDGET THAT WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT. 
          AND SOMEHOW WE JUST SPENT $25 MILLION I, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I'LL START WITH HOW ABOUT STARTING WITH LIKE THE MOST LIKELY CASE, LIKE WHAT WE'VE MODELED AT THIS POINT AND THEN JUST SOME MINOR YEAH. 
          CHANGES LIKE THE REVENUE FORECAST THAT THE VICE MAYOR'S TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, SO IF WE WERE TO SEE A RECESSION IN FY 26, I DID PUT THAT IN FY 27, BUT I'M GONNA CARRY THAT OVER TO FY 26. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE ABOUT A TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR DECREASE TO REVENUES. 
          WHAT ARE YOU ASSUMING A RECESSION MEANS? RECESSION WOULD JUST MEAN WHETHER AT A MACRO OR AT A MICRO LEVEL. 
          IT'S A DECREASE IN REVENUE TO THE CITY. 
          MEANING THERE'S, RIGHT, BUT WHAT PERCENTAGE ARE YOU USING? UM, LIKE HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS? IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY SUBJECTIVE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S JUST DEPENDENT ON THE TYPE OF SEVERITY OF A RECESSION. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW YOU JUST CAME UP WITH A NUMBER. 
          UM, WELL WHAT WE HAD LOOKED AT WERE THE REVENUES OVER A HISTORICAL PERIOD AND THEN LOOKING AT REVENUES, UM, DURING THE GREAT FINANCIAL CRISIS AND SOME OF THOSE DROPS THAT HAD, HAD, HAD IMPACTED ON THE REVENUE BUDGET. 
          BUT TWO AND A HALF MILLION WOULD JUST BE ABOUT A 5% DECREASE IN REVENUES IN TOTAL. 
          AND, AND IS THAT BY PUTTING IT THERE, IS THAT JUST A ONE TIME DROP AT TWO AND A HALF MILLION AND IT RECOVERS THE NEXT YEAR? OR IS IT GROWING AT THE ENSUED RATE AFTER THAT OR? CORRECT. 
          WE CAN ENTER IT HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. 
          I BELIEVE WE CAN DO IT WHERE IT'S A HUGE HIT IN THE FIRST YEAR AND THEN IT LEVELS OUT OVER TIME. 
          OR WE CAN MODEL IT TO BE LIKE A 2% DROP OVER FIVE YEARS. 
          HOWEVER, UM, REALLY HOWEVER WE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT IT, WE'VE MODELED IT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT WAYS JUST LOOKING AT IT, BUT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT A RECESSION COULD DO. 
          I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO LIVE IT. 
          RIGHT? IT'S, SO THIS DOES REFLECT, SO I'LL I'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE AGAIN. 
          SO IT'S, IF I CHANGE IT, NO, YOU CAN SEE IT IS, IT DOES DECREASE REVENUES AND THE TOTAL FUND BALANCES. 
          UM, BUT IT, I I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, IF YOU CAUGHT THAT, THAT CHANGE. 
          SO IT'S, IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AS SEVERE A TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR DECREASE IN REVENUES. 
          WE CAN MAKE THAT DECREASE BIGGER IF YOU WANT TO PRACTICE, YOU KNOW, SEEING A BIGGER DECREASE IN REVENUES. 
          UM, AND I CAN MAKE THIS 5 MILLION. 
          SO AGAIN, THE GENERAL FUND WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A PRETTY BIG HIT TO REVENUES TO THE POINT WHERE WE WOULD START TO SEE THIS DIP INTO THE NEGATIVE. 
          GREAT. 
          HOWEVER, KEEP IN MIND THAT THE GENERAL FUND EXCESS IS WHAT FUNDS A LOT OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS BECAUSE WE DO PAY AS YOU GO. 
          SO WHEN WE SEE DECLINING REVENUES, THE DECISIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE AS A CITY ARE HOW DO WE MOVE CIP PROJECTS FORWARD OR DO WE MOVE THEM FORWARD? DO WE PUT THEM ON PAUSE DURING A, LIKE AN AUSTERITY, YOU KNOW, MEASURE IF, IF WE WERE TO SEE DECLINING REVENUE, SO IF WE, IF WE LEFT THE REVENUE AT, AT FY 25 BUDGET, 
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NOT WHAT THE ACTUALS ARE, BUT THAT THE BUDGET, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? I HAD HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT OUR REVENUE PROJECTION IS. 
          ONE SECOND. 
          'CAUSE I'D HAVE TO JUST DEDUCT THAT BY THE AMOUNT THAT WE BUDGETED, WHICH I BELIEVE WE HAD A $2 MILLION INCREASE. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 6%, 7% OVER BUDGET FOR OVER, YEAH. 
          OVER BUDGET. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT TAKE THAT OUT AND JUST SAY WHAT, WHAT WAS THE BUDGETED AMOUNT? THIS IS THIS, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S NOT A GINORMOUS IMPACT MOSTLY BECAUSE FUND BALANCES IN THE GENERAL FUND ARE SO HIGH. 
          SO IF I CHANGE THIS TO NO, YOU CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S ALMOST A SLIGHT MODIFICATION. 
          IT'S NOT AS SEVERE. 
          AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL PLUG THAT BACK IN. 
          I, I MEAN MAYBE A DROP OF, OF 2 MILLION IN FUND BALANCES YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I CAN ADD INTO THAT WILL, IF, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BUILD ON THIS SCENARIO, ONE OF THEM WOULD BE, UM, IF WE DO ACCEPT THE DECISION PACKAGES THE COUNCIL APPROVED TODAY, SO WITH A RECESSION PLUS THE DECISION PACKAGES THAT PRODUCE THESE ONGOING COSTS WITH, UM, THESE ARE PROJECTED TO INCREASE AT ABOUT 2%. 
          I COULD INCREASE THAT AT A HIGHER AMOUNT, BUT THE ONGOING COSTS DOES DROP THE GENERAL FUND BALANCES QUITE A BIT WITH A, WITH A $2 MILLION RECESSION, EXCUSE ME, AT $2 MILLION REDUCTION IN REVENUE PROJECTIONS. 
          PLEASE REMIND ME WHAT THE BLACK DOTTED LINE IS. 
          YEAH, BLACK DOTTED LINE IS OUR RESERVE REQUIREMENTS. 
          THE BLACK BAR IS THE FUND BALANCE AND IF IT GOES RED, THAT MEANS IT'S IN THE NEGATIVE, THE BLACK STRAIGHT SOLID LINE IS REVENUES AND THE DOTTED RED LINE IS EXPENSES AND TRANSFERS. 
          SO BY 2034 WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MEET THE CITY'S RESERVE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OPERATING. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS ASSUMING THAT THERE ISN'T A RETURN TO A STABLE REVENUE BUDGET THAT THIS WOULD TAKE A HIT BUT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY RECOVER. 
          SO IF WE WANTED TO, WE COULD PUT A RECOVERY PERIOD THAT HELPS A LITTLE BIT, BUT RIGHT. 
          SO STERLING, WHEN YOU PUT THE MINUS 2 MILLION TO BEGIN WITH THAT YOU, THAT AUTOMATICALLY CARRIED FORWARD EVERY YEAR THEN WOULD BE MINUS 2 MILLION OR JUST THE ONE YEAR? ONLY. 
          JUST THE ONE YEAR ONLY. 
          OKAY. 
          WOW. 
          UM, THE OTHER OPTION WE PUT IN HERE IS IF WE HAVE THE SYCAMORE BUILDING, WHICH IS THE BREWER ROAD BUILDING AND IF THAT WAS DEBT FINANCED, SO I CAN SHOW YOU THAT SCENARIO AS WELL. 
          SO NOT A HUGE IMPACT TO THE BUDGET, MOSTLY BECAUSE WE'RE SPREADING OUT THAT INTEREST PAYMENT OVER YEARS. 
          SO WE WOULD GET ADDITIONAL UPFRONT LUMP SUM MONEY ABOUT, I MEAN DEPENDING ON THE SELL OF THE PROPERTY, BUT HERE I PUT 7.3 MILLION. 
          UM, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE IN PERPETUITY AFTER THAT, DEPENDING ON THE LENGTH OF THE BOND ISSUANCE. 
          YEAH. 
          30 YEARS. 
          OUR DEBT, OUR DEBT SERVICE. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO ASK SORT OF A QUESTION YOU DON'T HAVE MODELED AND I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT YOU TO, BUT JUST DO YOU KNOW THE MAGNITUDE? SO WE SOLVED IN THE CURRENT TERMS THAT P-S-P-R-S PROBLEM? YAY. 
          I MEAN GREAT, A RS HAS A PROBLEM TOO. 
          IT'S NOT THE SAME KIND OF PROBLEM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL LIABILITY. 
          BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THE STATE DECIDES THAT THEY NEED TO START FUNDING A RS MORE AND START CHARGING US ALL MORE? I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG OUR A RS PAYMENT IS AND THEN WHAT, YOU KNOW, IT LIKE MIGHT LIKELY GROW IF THE STATE DECIDED TO FIX IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD PROBABLY CREATE MODELS FOR EACH CITY BASED ON THEIR PROPORTIONATE LIABILITY IF THEY FELT THAT THEY NEEDED TO PUT MORE MONEY IN. 
          UM, BECAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU JUST SAY EVERYBODY HAS TO, YOU KNOW, ADD THIS MUCH MORE PLACES THAT HAVE JOINED A RS LATELY AS OPPOSED TO THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN IN A RS FOR YEARS AND YEARS ARE GONNA SAY, HEY, HEY, HEY, I'M BASICALLY DOING EVERYTHING I'M SUPPOSED TO DO. 
          IT'S THESE GUYS THAT DIDN'T. 
          SO THEY WOULD LIKELY DO A PROPORTIONATE LIABILITY PROCESS TO FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          AND THEN THEY WOULD SAY WE WANT EVERYBODY TO GET TO A HUNDRED PERCENT IN 30 YEARS. 
          I MEAN THEY USUALLY GIVE YOU A PRETTY LONG TIME TO DO IT. 
          UM, AND OUR LIABILITY'S NOT LIKE SOME KIND OF MASSIVE LIKE 400 MILLION, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU HEAR IN A LARGER CITY. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS OFFHAND. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR, IF 
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WE EVEN HAVE A LIABILITY, BUT OUR A SRS CONTRIBUTION FY 25 WAS 1.43 MILLION AND THEN FOR FY 26 IT'S PROJECTED TO GO UP TO 1.53 MILLION. 
          YES. 
          AND IF I CAN COMMENT, UM, SO THAT'S A PERCENTAGE OF PAYROLL THAT'S ASSIGNED TO US, RIGHT? AND I JUST ASKED THE REST OF WHAT IT IS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LIKE 12.1% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND SO THEY, THAT BOARD WOULD ADVISE, OKAY, EMPLOYER RATES ARE NOW GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, 12.4% OR SOMETHING. 
          THEY'D GIVE US A NOTICE IF THEY NEEDED TO ADJUST FOR EARNINGS LOSSES IN THE FUND OR WHATEVER TO MEET THEIR ACTUARIAL REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE THEY'VE EVER, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO FIND OUT IF THEY HAD A BIG JUMP IN THAT EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION RATE AFTER ONE OF THESE BIG RECESSIONS IN THE PAST. 
          BUT, SO IT'D BE AN INCREMENTAL CHANGE TO OUR, OUR PERCENTAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN P-P-S-P-R-S GOT BIG QUICK QUICKER AND, AND IT LOOKED OUT FURTHER AND WE HAPPENED TO DECIDE TO PAY OURS OFF AND I DON'T THINK A SRS IS AS BAD AS PS PSS WAS. 
          BUT IT'S A BIGGER NUMBER THOUGH, ISN'T IT? IT IS. 
          IT'S A BIGGER NUMBER OVER, IT'S A FAIRLY WELL MANAGED PLAN BECAUSE THEY DID RESTRUCTURE IT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO BEFORE THINGS REALLY GOT BAD. 
          UM, YOU HAVE STATES LIKE CALIFORNIA THAT KIND OF WAITED UNTIL THEY WERE JUST ABOUT TO BANKRUPT THE PLAN BEFORE THEY WENT, OH MY GOSH, WE HAVE TO MAKE A MAJOR CHANGE. 
          UM, IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHEN I THINK WE WOULD SEE A PROPORTIONATE LIABILITY MODEL. 
          I THINK ANNETTE IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT WHAT WE'LL SEE IF THEY SEE DECLINING RETURNS IS THEY'LL GO FROM 12% TO 12.4 OR 12.6, BUT IT WON'T BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA IMPACT US TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE LIKE, WOW, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T OPERATE. 
          AND, AND VICE MAYOR PLU I PUT IN THIS, UM, SCENARIO AS WELL. 
          SO IF THERE WERE A $2 MILLION REDUCTION IN REVENUE, WE COULD PUT IN, YOU KNOW, A $2 MILLION AUSTERITY CUT TO THE BUDGET. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A SPENDING FREEZE. 
          SO THAT THAT WOULD HELP SOMEWHAT TO MAKE WHOLE THE OFFSET OF THE REVENUE DECREASE. 
          SO IT WOULD JUST BASICALLY BE A CUT TO EITHER THE CIP OR TO THE OPERATING BUDGET. 
          I MEAN, MY READ SO FAR IS, IS THAT WE'RE IN A REALLY GOOD SPOT. 
          EVEN IF WE HAVE A RECESSION, LIKE WE'RE GONNA TAKE ACTION TO PRODUCE OUR SPEND, WE'RE GONNA PUSH PROGRAMS OUT. 
          SO THE FACT THAT IT'S SHOWING IT BEING TIGHT OUT AT 20 33, 20 34 AS FAR AS, UH, RESERVE REQUIREMENTS, I MEAN, I WOULD EXPECT FUTURE COUNSEL TO TAKE ALL ACTION NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NEVER CLOSE TO THAT MINIMUM RESERVE REQUIREMENT. 
          SO, I MEAN, I DON'T PERSONALLY NEED TO KEEP PLANNED SCENARIOS HERE ABOUT THE REST OF YOU. 
          I I HAVE A PROPOSAL LIKE KATHY, I'M PRETTY PESSIMISTIC BECAUSE IT'S SO, EVERYTHING IS SO CONFUSING AND IT CHANGES BY THE AMINO HOUR. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT IT'S JUST KIND OF A SOFT HOLD THAT WE FUND EVERYTHING THAT'S ONGOING. 
          ASSUMING THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE SUFFICIENT MONEY FOR THAT, BUT THAT WE START NOTHING NEW UNTIL WE HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF WHERE THE REVENUES ARE AT. 
          SO LEAVE IT IN THE BUDGET SO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY AND WE COULD SPEND THE MONEY IF OUR REVENUES COME IN AS ANTICIPATED, BUT WE WON'T INCUR ANY LIABILITIES. 
          WE WON'T ENTER INTO ANY CONTRACTS UNTIL WE SEE HOW WE PROGRESS OVER, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT COUPLE OF QUARTERS. 
          'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE SPRING NUMBERS IN. 
          SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW WE WERE DOING IN THE SPRING. 
          AND THE SPRING IS REALLY BEFORE THE, IM, I DON'T THINK WE FELT THE IMPACT YET OF WHAT'S BEFORE US. 
          AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE CIP AND IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS EIGHT OR $9 MILLION THAT HASN'T YET BEEN STARTED. 
          AND SO I, I'M, I'M SAYING LET'S HOLD, LET'S HOLD THAT, LEAVE IT IN THE BUDGET. 
          BUT LET'S, BEFORE WE START ANY BRAND NEW PROJECT, WE DO AN ASSESSMENT OF WHERE OUR REVENUES ARE. 
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I, I GUESS I'M MORE OPTIMISTIC THAN THAT, HOLLY. 
          UM, AND WE CAN ALWAYS STOP ALONG THE WAY, RIGHT? WE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HOLD ON THINGS IF WE NEED TO. 
          I, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE NOTION OF A SOFT HOLD PER SE. 
          I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE UNCERTAINTY FOR THREE YEARS AND 265 DAYS IS, IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE ABLE TO, TO MUSCLE THROUGH THAT. 
          UNFORTUNATELY. 
          UH, I THINK ONGOING CHAOS AND UNCERTAINTY IS A, IS A CERTAINTY. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT WE WILL ALL CHOOSE TO BE RESPONSIVE IF WE SEE TANKING OF OUR REVENUE. 
          BUT I DON'T, I I, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME CONNECTING WITH THE IDEA OF SELLING STAFF DON'T START ANYTHING NEW. 
          UM, I JUST TRY TO BE CONSERVATIVE IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S IN THE BUDGET SO IT CAN HAPPEN. 
          BUT THAT, WELL HOLLY, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY THAT THIS WAY, SHOULD SOMETHING HAPPEN, WE DON'T HAVE A HALF FINISHED PRODUCT, WE DON'T HAVE A HALF FINISHED PROJECT, THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEGAL COMMITMENTS. 
          CONTRACTS, RIGHT. 
          THAT WE'VE, THAT WE, BUT THIS BUDGET DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE SP COMMITTING TO EVERY DOLLAR AND STARTING TO SPEND IT ON JULY ONE. 
          SO THERE'S PLENTY THAT OVER 12 MONTHS IF THINGS TANK, WE CAN JUST NOT START ANOTHER SUP PROJECT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I, I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY EXISTS TO DO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITHOUT APPLYING A, A BLANKET APPROACH RIGHT NOW, I GUESS IS WHERE I'M COMING FROM. 
          ANDY, I WAS JUST GONNA OFFER THAT OF COURSE, YOU KNOW THAT ANY CONTRACT THAT WE NEED TO PUT OUT OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND WOULD GO TO COUNCIL. 
          UM, IF YOU WANTED, I, I'M NOT SURE HOW ANNETTE FEELS, BUT IN OUR ONE-ON-ONES, WE COULD SAY ANY CONTRACT WE'RE GETTING READY TO PUT OUT OVER, I'M JUST THROWING OUT A NUMBER, 50,000. 
          WE'LL, WE WILL MAKE A REPORT. 
          I COULD HAVE A REPORT IN OUR ONE-ON-ONES WHERE I SAY WE'RE GETTING READY TO PUT THESE OUT. 
          AND THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO JUST KEEP THROUGHOUT THE YEAR CHECKING IN AND SAYING, OKAY, WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THE ECONOMY VERSUS WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH PROJECT? SO WE SEE A CONTRACT WHEN IT'S READY TO BE EXECUTED, WHICH IS AFTER THE STAFF HAS PUT IN ALL THIS WORK AND RFPS BEEN RELEASED, PEOPLE HAVE PROPO, PEOPLE HAVE SPENT MONEY RESPONDING TO IT. 
          WHAT I, WHAT, I GUESS WHAT I MEANT WAS WE'RE GETTING READY TO PUT IT OUT TO GO THROUGH THE EFFORT TO GET THE CONTRACT PUT TOGETHER. 
          AND THAT'S COMING UP. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I MEANT BY THAT. 
          AND SO I WOULD, OH, EXCUSE ME. 
          I SAY, AND HOLLY, YOU KNOW, FROM YOUR BIG COMPANY EXPERIENCE, LIKE THE COMPANY'S GOT ITS STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          IT STARTS EXECUTING IT AND IT KEEPS EXECUTING IT RIGHT UP TO THE SECOND WHEN IT TURNS A 180 OR A OR A 90 OR WHATEVER. 
          AND I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE CAN BE, I KNOW I'M, THIS SOUND LIKE AN OXYMORON. 
          WE CAN BE THAT NIMBLE HERE , EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GOVERNMENT GET, BUT WE GET A DELAY OF 60 TO 90 DAYS ON THE READ ON REVENUE. 
          SURE. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN THE CORPORATE WORLD IT'S PRETTY CURRENT. 
          OH YEAH. 
          I CALCULATED HOW MY MONTH OF APRIL WAS THIS MORNING BEFORE I CAME HERE. 
          SO YEAH, I KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THOUGH. 
          ALRIGHT, PETE, YOU KNOW THERE WAS, CAN BE OUTTA HERE SOON. 
          REMEMBER THE 60 40, YOU KNOW, WE TEND TO REALLY ONLY SPEND 60% ON OUR CAPITAL LANE HOUSE. 
          SO THERE'S A BUILT IN BUFFER ANYHOW THAT DOESN'T, DOES A DELAY. 
          LIKE SOME OF THOSE CAN BE MULTI-YEAR PROJECTS. 
          THEY THEY CAN BE, BUT WE COULD, I MEAN WE OVER, WE OVER FORECASTED IN FY 23 I THINK IT WAS. 
          AND WE GOT HIT CONSTANTLY BY EVERY MONTH WHEN THE BUDGET NUMBERS CAME IN AND THE FOR REVENUE FORECAST CAME IN AND IT WAS BELOW BUDGET, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS POSITIVE, IT WAS BELOW BUDGET, WE GOT ATTACKED FOR, FOR NOT BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. 
          SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR TWO THINGS. 
          ONE IS A BUDGET THAT IS CONSERVATIVE AND THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING, BUT IT DIDN'T WORK THE WAY I WANTED IT TO WORK. 
          IF WE WERE JUST AT FY 25 BUDGET WITH NO INCREASE WHATSOEVER, WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON WHAT WE JUST DID? THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO KNOW OF NEXT YEAR, NOT 10 YEARS OUT. 
          JUST NEXT YEAR. 
          WOULD THAT BE EXCLUDING TODAY'S DECISION PACKAGES? OR INCLUDING THOSE IS INCLUDING THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          THE BUDGET THAT WE JUST TENTATIVELY AGREED TO. 
          WHAT HAPPENS IF THE REVENUE STAYS THE WAY IT IS NOW? IT SHOULD BE FINE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IF IT IS FINE, LET'S JUST LEAVE THE REVENUE THE WAY IT IS. 
          SO IF, AND THAT WAY WE CAN OVERPERFORM IF THINGS 
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PICK UP. 
          SO WE'RE STILL THINKING WE WOULD'VE A SURPLUS AND SO FORTH. 
          SO, WELL I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD'VE A SURPLUS OF IT. 
          WE, WE WOULD HAVE A SURPLUS IF WE OVERPERFORMED REVENUE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          CAME IN, UH, FOR SALES TAX IT WAS 2 MILLION BECAUSE YOU'RE PROJECTING A ONE POINT SOMETHING PERCENT INCREASE OVER FY 25 ACTUALS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S, SO THAT'S THE HIGHEST REVENUE WE'VE EVER HAD. 
          REVENUE. 
          SO DOES THE REVENUE, OR SORRY, DOES THE BUDGET AS WE'VE NOW ADJUSTED IT TO WHAT I ASSUME THERE'S STILL WOULD SHOW A FISCAL 26 PROJECTED SURPLUS? WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? UH, 7.1 MILLION IS THE PROJECTED SURPLUS AND FY 25 HAS A PROJECTED SURPLUS OF 7.3 AND THE FY 24 SURPLUS WE ACTUALLY ALLOCATED IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET PLANNING AND WE DEDICATED THAT TO CAPITAL RESERVES. 
          UM, SO TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT THEN WHAT, TAKE IT DOWN 2 MILLION FROM WHAT WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE THIS YEAR. 
          I DUNNO KNOW WHAT NUMBER IS, BUT JUST KEEP IT FLAT AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER IN FRONT OF US, BUT WE CAN REDUCE LIKE SALES TAX TO FLAT, WE CAN REDUCE BED TAX TO FLAT. 
          SOME OF THE OTHERS WE'VE ALREADY DECREASED. 
          LIKE THE STATE REVENUES COMING IN. 
          I ASSUME YOU WOULD LIKE US TO KEEP THOSE AT THE DECREASE NUMBER. 
          I THINK YOU SHOULD DECREASE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE I THINK IT'S GONNA BE LOWER. 
          WE GOT A LETTER. 
          IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY LOWER. 
          YOU GOT A LETTER? YEAH. 
          WHAT DID IT SAY? UM, EACH YEAR FOR THE BUDGET PLANNING PROCESS, I, IT EITHER COMES FROM ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE VIA LEAGUE OF CITIES. 
          I'M NOT SURE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I GOT A LETTER FROM, I THINK IT'S THE LEAGUE OF CITIES THAT GOES OUT TO ALL THE FINANCE DIRECTORS SAYING HERE'S WHAT YOUR STATE SHARED REVENUE IS GONNA BE BASED ON ALL THESE CALCULATIONS. 
          SO SO THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE REVENUE NUMBERS. 
          GOOD. 
          SO YEAH, IF WE JUST LEFT IT AT 2025 BUDGET AND SINCE WE'RE LOWER RIGHT, WE JUST SAID WE WERE LOWER THAN THAN THIS YEAR, THEN WE SHOULD BE FINE. 
          RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          AND IF WE HAVE A SURPLUS, THAT'S GREAT. 
          AND VICE MAYOR PLU, I'LL MENTION AN F 23 WAS THE YEAR WE DID OVER BUDGET AND THAT WAS THE YEAR WE DID SEE THE LARGEST SURPLUS THAT THE CITY SCENE, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS 10.5 MILLION. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS THAT EVERY SINGLE MONTH WE GOT ATTACKED FOR OVERESTIMATING OUR BUDGET. 
          AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          REALITY IS AGREE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT . 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS STILL LIKE OUR SECOND BEST MONTH EVER. 
          ALMOST EVERY MONTH. 
          BUT WE WERE COMPARING TO THE MAX COVID YEAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT WAS THE PROBLEM. 
          WELL IT'S TO THE BUDGET. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHICH HAD AN INCREASE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WHERE ARE WE NOW? SO I GUESS NOBODY LIKES MY IDEA OF OF A SOFT HOLD, RIGHT? NO, I DO. 
          I ACTUALLY DO. 
          UH, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM ANYBODY ELSE DOES. 
          BUT IT, I UNDERSTAND WHAT BRIAN'S SAYING AND THE NUMBERS WOULD SHOW ENOUGH SURPLUS BUT PLENTY OF SURPLUS AND WE'LL TAKE ACTION. 
          NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT IF NECESSARY. 
          I LIKE ANDY'S IDEA AT LEAST AS THE, BEFORE YOU GO OUT FOR ANY CONTRACT IN EXCESS OF TELL US THAT YOU'RE DOING IT, ARE YOU OKAY WITH AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE THAT 50,000 BUT THEN WE MAY HAVE AT LEAST 30 DAYS BEFORE WE GET TO THE COUNCIL TO HAVE IT ON, ON THE AGENDA. 
          I THINK THE ONLY QUESTION I'LL HAVE, AND WE WILL WORK THROUGH A PROCESS OF COMMUNICATION WITH YOU NOT TO HASH OUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE SECOND IS, UM, WHAT IS THE REVENUE TRIGGER THAT TELLS US THAT YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE ISSUING THE RFP? AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT IS IN THE MOMENT, BUT WE CAN HAVE A CHAT. 
          MAYBE WE DO A QUARTERLY UPDATE WITH YOU WHERE THE REVENUES HAVE COME IN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE A QUARTER BY QUARTER GAME PLAN. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE TALKING TO LAUREN YESTERDAY AND ANDREW THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT, EXCUSE ME, AND IT'S NOT PERFECT. 
          NONE OF THIS IS PERFECT, BUT THEY CAN LOOK AT BOOKINGS TO PROJECT AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT OF THE, BEFORE WE GET OUR REVENUE FROM DOR, AT LEAST LOOK AT WHAT THE BOOKINGS WERE. 
          SO IT WOULD FROM THE HOTELIERS THAT WOULD GIVE US A SENSE YEAH. 
          OF HOW THINGS ARE. 
          WE BASICALLY DO A QUARTERLY LIKE UM YEAH. 
          FINANCIAL, YEAH, FINANCIAL UPDATE, STATUS UPDATE, WHATEVER. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THIS, RIGHT NOW WE JUST PUT IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF INCREASE FOR ALL REVENUES, NOT JUST SALES AND BED TAX, WHICH IS ABOUT 3.1 MILLION AND YOU STILL HAVE NOTHING REALLY GOING WRONG UNTIL ABOUT 2033. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS IN TERMS OF THE SURPLUS WE ALREADY HAVE THAT'S UNALLOCATED. 
          MM-HMM . 
          [09:05:01]
IF WE WERE KEEP EVERYTHING IN THE BUDGET. 
          THIS IS A BUDGET QUESTION. 
          SO USUALLY WE ALLOCATE SOME OR ALL OF IT RIGHT AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND IT'S USUALLY THE YEAR BEFORE. 
          YES. 
          SO NOT THE YEAR IN WHICH WE, AND LAST YEAR YOU ACTUALLY WENT AHEAD OF YOURSELVES AND ALLOCATED THAT A PORTION, RIGHT? UM, ALL OF IT BECAUSE WE ANTICIPATED, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM STERLING, WE ANTICIPATED ABOUT 10 AND A HALF MILLION SURPLUS. 
          9.1 OR 9.1. 
          MY BAD. 
          AND INSTEAD WE CAME IN IT LIKE 7.4 7.4 AND YOU ALLOCATED THE FULL 9.1 TO CAPITAL RESERVE. 
          SO THAT WAS ALL OF THE SURPLUS. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THERE IS UNALLOCATED MONEY RIGHT NOW. 
          YES. 
          UNASSIGNED HOW MUCH? JUST FOR THE 25? YEAH, THE 7.3. 
          7.3. 
          IT'S AN ESTIMATE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S AN ESTIMATE THOUGH. 
          JUST LIKE LAST YEAR'S. 
          IS THAT WHAT, SO NONE OF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DECISION PACKAGES OR ANY OF THE CHOICES? THEY JUST NO. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S THIS YEAR'S PROJECTED SURPLUS, NOT YEAH, BUT IT, IT'S A GOOD, BUT IT WOULD BE REDUCED BY ANY OF THE HEY, CAN YOU SPEND IT NOW BEFORE JUNE 30TH? YES. 
          IT WOULD BE PRETTY. 
          OKAY. 
          IT WASN'T MUCH THAT WE PUT IN THAT. 
          NO, NO. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA MOVE THE NEEDLE THAT MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN WHAT HAP SO THAT MONEY IS WHERE IS IN THE BANK, IT'S ACTUAL CASH, RIGHT? WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO USE IT IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAD A GAP? OH, IF THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY, NOT AN EMERGENCY. 
          WELL, UH, LET ME USE THAT WORD BECAUSE IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY, COUNSEL CAN VOTE I BELIEVE BY A SUPER MAJORITY, AND KURT CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG TO USE RESERVE FUNDS OUTSIDE OF THE REGULAR BUDGET PROCESS. 
          BUT YOU HAVE TO SAY IT'S AN EMERGENCY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S WHY CRITICAL IT TO BE AN EMERGENCY. 
          WELL, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY TIME WE COULD USE IT UNLESS YOU PUT IT IN THE BUDGET NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, BUT, BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M WRONG. 
          SORRY, BUT THAT'S AN EX YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN EXPENDITURE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET THOUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT A GAP REVENUE. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A REVENUE SHORTFALL. 
          RIGHT, EXACTLY. 
          WHICH WOULD, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE US TO USE RESERVES, RIGHT? IF WE HAVE A REVENUE SHORTFALL, WHERE IS THE $7 MILLION GOING TO SIT? THAT'S UNALLOCATED IN RESERVES. 
          JUST ROUNDING. 
          IT'S UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE IN WHAT? IN GENERAL FUND RESERVES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO TO USE THAT MONEY, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE AN EXPENDITURE, SO WE'RE NOT VIOLATING OUR EXPENDITURE LIMITATION. 
          WE HAVE THE EXPENDITURES, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE REVENUE. 
          WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO PULL IT OUT OF RESERVES? ACTUALLY I THINK YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          IF THERE'S A REVENUE SHORTFALL, YOU JUST DO IT BECAUSE YOUR EXPENDITURE LIMIT IS YOUR EXPENDITURE LIMIT, RIGHT? I THINK YOU'RE ASKING A CASH FLOW QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU'RE ASKING A BUDGET A CASH FLOW QUESTION. 
          NOT, NO, NOT REALLY. 
          IT'S NOT CASH. 
          CASH ISN'T COMING IN TO COVER OUR EXPENSES AND WE HAVE MONEY IN THIS, THIS BANK ALREADY. 
          CAN WE USE THAT TO PAY? WELL, IT'S BUDGET EXPENDITURES, NOT REAL EXPENDITURES. 
          SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT, IS THAT A CUSHION, A $7 MILLION CUSHION AGAINST A REVENUE SHORTFALL IF WE WANTED TO FULLY FUND OUR BUDGET? I THINK WE HAVE A GENERAL FUND RESERVE FOR REVENUE SHORTFALLS ALREADY, DON'T WE? WE DO. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S THE STATUTORY OR THE WHAT WE'VE THE 30% PUT THE 30% RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT'S SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR IS FOR, UH, ECONOMIC DOWNTURN OR REVENUE SHORTFALL. 
          SO WE HAVE THAT ALREADY. 
          SO THIS 7 MILLION IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT. 
          ABOVE THAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA TOUCH RESERVES, BUT IF WE, 'CAUSE TO ME I'D RATHER CUT SPENDING THAN TOUCH RESERVES. 
          BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR POT OF MONEY THAT'S IN EXCESS OF OUR RESERVE POLICY, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          STILL A RESERVE. 
          IT'S SITTING IN WELL, BECAUSE IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT THE 30% RESERVE, BUT IT'S AN UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE, WHICH FOR THE STATE'S DEFINITION STILL QUALIFIES AS A RESERVE UNLESS WE SPECIFICALLY BUDGET IT TOWARDS AN EXPENDITURE. 
          SO WE CAN'T USE IT ACCORDING TO THEM UNLESS WE BUDGET IT. 
          BUT IF WE HAD A REVENUE SHORTFALL, THOSE WOULD NATURALLY GET USED INSTEAD OF THE REVENUE COMING IN AND THE FIRST WE WOULD USE WOULD BE THE UNASSIGNED. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          [09:10:01]
HOLD ON A SECOND, DEBORAH. 
          HE WAS ASKING ME ONLY ABOUT LIKE, I KNOW THREE HOURS AGO HE WANTED TO REMEMBER GET SOMETHING TWO AND A HALF. 
          TWO AND A HALF. 
          WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE TO WHAT THE VICE MAYOR IS PROPOSING? I GUESS FOR A QUESTION FOR COUNCILOR LTZ, WHAT'S THE OBJECTION TO KEEPING THE REVENUE FLAT AND THEN BASE AND THEN HAVING THE NEW BUDGET NUMBER? I MEAN, I, I GUESS I DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION. 
          I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA BE FINE. 
          I HAVE NO PROBLEM AT ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH A FLAT REVENUE PROJECTION. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING YOU DIDN'T WANNA DO WHAT SHE WAS SUGGESTING. 
          NO. 
          OH, THE HOLD. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, AND I DON'T WANNA DO THE HOLD, BUT I, I'M GOOD WITH SAYING REVENUE IS FLAT, OUR BUDGET RELATION TO REVENUE. 
          SO, SO IS THAT CONSENSUS FROM THE COUNCIL TO UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROPOSAL? FLAT REVENUE FORECAST? MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          COME ON PETE. 
          OKAY. 
          JOE, DID YOU GET THAT? I DON'T KNOW WHY , WE HAVEN'T CHANGED ANY OF THE SPEC. 
          COME ON. 
          I KNOW YOU COULD DO FIVE THINGS AT ONCE. 
          SO MAYOR, SO QUESTION TO BARBARA. 
          WHEN DO YOU WANNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE 7.3? LIKE USUALLY I THINK WE'VE CHOSEN TO ALLOCATE LIKE THREE QUARTERS OF IT OR SOMETHING. 
          AND I THINK WE, I'M SUGGESTING WE DON'T ALLOCATE ANY OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT LIKE YESTERDAY WE TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF USING IT TO UH, PAY HIGHER INTEREST DEBT AS A FOR INSTANCE. 
          AND THERE'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND A HALF AND 3 MILLION OF FINANCED UH, PURCHASES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD USE IT OPEN RIGHT HERE. 
          DO YOU REALLY? I DO. 
          JUST RIGHT IN THE SPOT. 
          LET ME, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE, HAVE A HIGH INTEREST RATE LIKE MICRO TRANSIT VEHICLES ARE AT 5.37% BARBARA BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY GETTING THREE AND A HALF PERCENT ON OUR MONEY OTHERWISE. 
          SO NORMALLY YOU ALL DON'T ALLOCATE THE SURPLUS IN THE YEAR THAT YOU'RE IN. 
          SO THE 25 SURPLUS YOU WOULD ACTUALLY ALLOCATE NEXT YEAR IN THE 27 BUDGET PROCESS LAST YEAR. 
          FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM READING PRIOR BUDGETS LAST YEAR WAS KIND OF AN UNUSUAL THING WHERE YOU SAID, HEY WE THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT SURPLUS. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          WHEN, WHEN IT COMES IN AND PUT IT IN CAPITAL RESERVE. 
          AND I WOULD PREFER WE GO BACK TO THE OLD POLICY OF NOT DIPPING INTO THE, SO IT'D BE LIKE WAITING UNTIL AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER AFTER ALL THE REVENUE ACTUALLY HAS COME IN AND YOU CAN REPORT ON IT AND BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT THE FINAL SURPLUS REALLY WAS. 
          'CAUSE IT, 'CAUSE IT TAKES AT LEAST TWO MONTHS, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE ALLOCATING IT AT THIS TIME NEXT YEAR IN, IN THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          OH, WAITING ALL THE WAY TILL THEN. 
          DON'T HAVE TO. 
          THAT WAS THE PRIOR PRACTICE. 
          OUR FIRST YEAR YEARS PASSED LAST YEAR WE DIDN'T DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR THE FIRST TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE MOVE FORWARD PLEASE? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE GIVEN US YOUR DIRECTION, WE KNOW WHERE YOU WANNA GO. 
          IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU SPECIFICALLY WANT TO SEE, WE'RE HAPPY TO, BUT IT'S AFTER SIX AND I WANNA SEE OUTSIDE UNLESS YOU LIKE YEAH, EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          SO, SO THERE'S NO OTHER DIRECTION THAT YOU NEED. 
          YOU HAVE GIVEN US I THINK ALL THE DIRECTION WE NEED. 
          WE KNOW THE DECISION PACKAGES, WE KNOW THE CIP, WE'VE RECONCILED IT AND WE WILL DO THE REVENUES FLAT, NO PROBLEM. 
          AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE TENTATIVE BUDGET MAY 27TH. 
          SO WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING WITH DEBT, EARLY DEBT REPAYMENT, I DON'T KNOW THAT RETIRING ANY OF OUR BONDS EARLY HAS ANY REAL BENEFIT TO THE CITY. 
          WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE CALLABLE NOW, BUT THEY'RE ALMOST DONE. 
          SO THEY'RE LIKE ONE YEAR, TWO YEARS LEFT ON THEM. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE TWO MORE THAT BECOME CALLABLE IN 2032 AND 2033. 
          AND AT THAT POINT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE CONSIDER IT IF WE'RE IN A SURPLUS SITUATION BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, UM, INVESTORS ARE THINKING, OKAY, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA CALL THIS AND I'M GONNA, YOU KNOW, NOT BE MAKING MONEY ON IT ANYMORE. 
          THE ONLY DEBT THAT I WOULD CONSIDER PAYING OFF WOULD BE THOSE ENTERPRISE LEASES. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE AND SEND YOU A REPORT, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          THAT WOULD NOT HIT OUR BUDGET TO PAY THOSE OFF. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S ALL BALANCE SHEET ACTIVITY, RIGHT? NO, BECAUSE IT'S, WE'RE EXPENSING THE DEBT SERVICE EVERY YEAR. 
          IT'S A PAYABLE FOR US, BUT WE'RE, WE EXPENSE IT EVERY YEAR. 
          SO 
          [09:15:01]
I WOULD SAY WE WOULD JUST FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH IT WOULD BE AND, AND TRY TO PAY SOME OF IT THIS YEAR IF WE COULD. 
          THAT WOULD LIKE BE MY PREFERENCE. 
          DOING A WRITE OFF. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WE'RE TALKING TWO AND A HALF, 3 MILLION IF WE GO WITH THOSE VEHICLES AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          NOT THAT HARD. 
          IT'S LIKE HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR WHAT ONE GROUP AND IT'S UM, ANOTHER TWO FIVE, ANOTHER MILLION MILLION AND THEN WE COULD CALCULATE HOW MUCH COUPLE MILLION INTEREST, HOW MUCH INTEREST SAVINGS IS FAULT IF YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE CRITICAL PIECE IS LIKE HOW MUCH WOULD WE SAVE IF WE PAID IT OFF RIGHT NOW? WELL THERE THERE'S ALSO A PUBLIC PERCEPTION ASPECT OF WE'RE REDUCING OUR DEBT AND THAT'S APPRECIATED BY A NUMBER OF FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO YEAH WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT LIKE THE HIGHEST INTEREST RATE ONES AND, AND DO A QUICK ANALYSIS FOR YOU. 
          I'M GONNA PUT THAT IN MY PARKING LOT FOR THAT RESERVE THAT FOR NEXT BUDGET YEAR. 
          MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE TARGET THE SAVINGS FROM. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE GREAT, YOU KNOW, 1%, SOME OF THEM ARE 11%. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THINK IT'S THOSE REALLY HIGH ONES THAT I'D BE LIKE, LET'S TAKE CARE OF THESE, YOU KNOW? OKAY. 
          WE JUST NEED A MAYOR, THAT'S ALL. 
          WE JUST NEED A MAYOR. 
          YOU BANG THE GAVEL. 
          . 
          IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? NO. 
          ANYTHING ELSE QUICK BEFORE HE GOES, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME, I DUNNO THERE PROBABLY WAS WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR. 
          A BUYING VEHICLE. 
          NOT ANYTHING CHANGE UPTOWN. 
          PROJECT NEGOTIATIONS. 
          HE WAS, WE LEFT.
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