* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. HERE. IF [00:00:01] YOU USE YOUR GAVEL, THEY'LL HEAR THAT [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE] I AM NOT THE LAST ONE. PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS. SO GLAD THAT LOU HOYT HAS SO MANY GREAT FRIENDS, . EXACTLY. EXACTLY. AND MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY HERE, BUT A GOOD PROPORTION, WHICH IS GREAT. WE ALL LOVE YOU. LOVE YOU. UH, LOU. SO NOW WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. OKAY. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU [ 2. ROLL CALL] PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? SURE. MAYOR JALO. HERE. VICE MAYOR PLU. PRESENT. COUNCILOR DUNN. HERE. COUNCILOR FUR FOLTZ IS ABSENT AND EXCUSED. COUNCILOR FURMAN? PRESENT. COUNCILOR KINSELLA? HERE. COUNCILOR F HERE. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, [3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE] CONSENT ITEMS. I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE PULLED, BUT THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CITY STAFF COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC TO PULL AN ITEM FOR OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. WE HAVE, UH, COUNCILOR, UH, KINSELLA WISHES TO PULL? YES. I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM G, PLEASE. THE FINAL PLAT FOR NAVAJO LS. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION I WANT TO PULL AS WELL? YOU WANNA PULL ONE ALSO? I DO. OKAY. WHICH ITEM WOULD YOU LIKE TO PULL? I'D LIKE TO PULL, UM, ITEM I AB 32 17. APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SEDONA CITY CODE TITLE SIX. OKAY, SO THEN CAN I HAVE A MOTION ABSENT OF G AND I? MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS. A, B, C, D, E, F, H, AND J. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. UH, CAN I, UH, ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS. OKAY. MAYOR, WHO DID WE GET FOR THE SECOND? I KNOW THERE WERE TWO AT ONCE. I BELIEVE IT WAS COUNCILOR, UH, THE VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. OH, IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE COUNSELOR DUNN, TOO. JUST PICK ONE. TAKE YOUR PICK, JOE. OH, WHOEVER IN THE BACK. COULD YOU NOT LEAN AGAINST THE WALL BECAUSE YOU'RE TURNING ALL LIGHTS OFF. . THANK YOU. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SIT DOWN, YOU CAN SIT IN THESE CHAIRS DOWN HERE. ABSOLUTELY. PLEASE, ALL OF YOU SIT, TAKE A SEAT, BE COMFORTABLE. SOME MIGHT BE HERE FOR A LITTLE BIT, UH, LONGER THAN OTHERS, SO I KNOW WHERE YOU HAVE TO BE. YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. SO LET'S GO [3.g. AB 3229 Approval of a Final Plat for Navajo Lofts, to create 60 separate condominium units (30 duplexes) on approximately 4.5 acres. (Navajo Lofts Project currently under construction). The subject property is zoned Commercial (CO) and is located at 10 Navajo Drive. APN: 408-24-536B. Applicant: MK Company (Keith Holben) Case Number: PZ24-00004 (SUB)] WITH ITEM G. UH, SO MAYOR, I ASK FOR THIS TO BE PULLED ONLY BECAUSE I WANTED TO VOTE ON IT DIFFERENTLY THAN I WANTED TO VOTE ON THE REST OF THE ITEMS I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS ON, ON THE ISSUE. OKAY. SO LET'S, UH, IF I HAVE A MOTION FOR ITEM G. OKAY. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED FINAL PLAT AS SET FORTH IN CASE NUMBER PZ 24 LOFTS BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS AND SATISFACTION OF THE SUBDIVISION CRITERIA AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS. CAN I HAVE A SECOND, PLEASE? SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OPPOSED. OKAY, JOE, YOU HAVE THAT? OKAY. NOW, COUNCILOR DUNN, YOU WANTED [3.i. AB 3217 Approval of an Ordinance amending Sedona City Code Title 6 (Animals), by adopting a new Chapter 6.20 (Wild or Exotic Animal Display or Performance). ] ITEM, AYE. YES. SO THERE WERE, UM, SEVERAL EMAILS THAT WERE RECEIVED BY COUNSEL, UM, THAT SEEMED TO LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT WE STILL HAD SOME CONFUSION. WHEN WE SPOKE ON THE DICE ABOUT THIS. WE WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR IN THE ORDINANCE THAT, UM, IF YOU OWNED AN EXOTIC ANIMAL, A PARROT OR WHATEVER, BUT IT WAS YOUR PERSONAL PRIVATE OWNERSHIP, YOU WERE NOT TAKING DONATIONS OR IN ANY WAY CHARGING MONEY. SO THERE WAS NO COMMERCIAL EXPLOITATION OF SAID ANIMAL, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE OUT IN PUBLIC WITH THAT ANIMAL. HOWEVER, BASED ON SOME OF THE EMAILS THAT CAME IN, IT'S, IT FELT A LITTLE BIT LIKE THIS WASN'T CLEAR, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE WERE VERY CLEAR IN PUBLIC AROUND WHAT WAS AND WAS NOT SUPPORTED BY THIS ORDINANCE. [00:05:01] OKAY. KATHY, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? YES, I HAVE. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR ATTORNEY. UM, MONIQUE, WHAT, WHERE CAN YOU POINT TO US LANGUAGE THAT DOES MAKE THAT CLEAR IN THE ORDINANCE FOR EVERYBODY? UH, YES. I'M GOING TO TAKE A SEAT OVER AT THAT TABLE AND THEN, UH, COMMANDER, UH, DOWELL IS GOING TO JOIN ME AND WE'RE GOING TO, UH, UH, WALK THROUGH THE, WHERE IT SAYS THAT THANK YOU OR ENTERTAIN, UH, ANY REVISIONS TO IT. OF COURSE. GREAT COMMANDER IN CHIEF. WELCOME. IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU SAID COMMANDER IN CHIEF. YES, IT DID. ONE OF YOU HAS A PROMOTION, SAID NEW YORK ACCENT COMES UP, COMES AROUND. NEW NICKNAME, JOE. I, IT, OH, THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT, LET ME MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT LOUDER. SO, UM, SO I CAN SPEAK TO ANY LEGAL MATTERS AND THEN, UH, COMMANDER DOWELL WILL, WILL SPEAK TO ANY, UM, POLICE MATTERS. SO WHEN I READ THIS AS A LAWYER AND WHEN THE COMMANDER AND, UM, ALSO CHIEF FOLEY READS THIS AS POLICE OFFICERS, THIS IS WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHERE IT SAYS DISPLAY, DISPLAY MEANS TO EXHIBIT, SHOW HOLD OR USE FOR PHOTOGRAPHS WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OF WILD OR EXOTIC ANIMALS FOR THE BENEFIT OF A LIVE AUDIENCE. SO WE READ THAT AS A A TWO-PRONG REQUIREMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, EXHIBIT SHOW HOLD USE FOR PHOTOGRAPHS FOR THE BENEFIT OF, OF A LIVE AUDIENCE. BUT, UH, AGAIN, MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT LAWYERS OR, OR POLICE OFFICERS. SO THAT'S WHY, UM, IF YOU HAVE, UH, SUGGESTIONS OF HOW THAT COULD BE REVISED OR IF YOU THINK IT'S FINE, I JUST, UH, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME COMMENTS. SO I'M, I WAS NOT ASKING FOR ANY CHANGE IN LANGUAGE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT IS CLEAR TO, UM, OUR RESIDENTS THAT THIS WILL NOT PROHIBIT THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO WALK DOWN A STREET WITH THEIR, UM, PET PAIRED ON A SHOULDER. AND IF PEOPLE WANT TO STOP AND TAKE A PICTURE, SO LONG AS THEY'RE NOT CHARGING FOR IT, THAT THEY WILL NOT BE IN VIOLATION AS FAR AS OUR ORDINANCE AND OUR POLICE OFFICERS ARE CONCERNED. THANK YOU. UH, CHRIS. NOW THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT PATROL COMMANDER, UM, AGAIN, AS THE CITY, UH, ATTORNEY STATED THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED A TWO-PRONGED SITUATION, MEANING THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE TO BEGIN WITH, RIGHT? AND THEN THE SECOND PIECE HAS TO FALL IN THERE, WHICH IS THE BENEFIT. SO IT BECOMES PART OF THE OFFICER'S, UM, UH, JOB TO PROVE THE BENEFIT. WHAT BENEFIT DID THAT PERSON HAVE OUT OF IT? SO, UM, AND IT WAS LEFT AS BENEFIT BECAUSE THAT COULD BE A LOT OF THINGS, RIGHT? BUT IT'S NOT FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S WALKING THEIR DOG DOWN THE STREET WHO TAKES A SELFIE WITH SOMEBODY ELSE. IT'S FOR SOMEBODY RECEIVING THAT SECOND PART. SO, UM, AND THAT'S WHY THAT OTHER PART'S IN THERE. SO IT'S TWO PRONG. IT'S NOT JUST YOU HOLDING AN ANIMAL, IT'S YOU HOLDING AN ANIMAL AND THEN HAVING THAT BENEFIT FROM IT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED THE CLARITY. OKAY, KATHY? UM, I ACTUALLY AM LOOKING FOR WORDING CHANGE BECAUSE THE WAY THE WORDING IS SPECIFICALLY SAYS, DISPLAY MEANS TO EXHIBIT, SHOW HOLD OR USE FOR PHOTOGRAPHS WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, OF WILDER EXOTIC ANIMALS FOR THE BENEFIT OF A LIVE AUDIENCE. BUT IF SOMEBODY IS, THEY THINK THAT THEY'RE, THAT COULD BE MISCONSTRUED, BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY IS WALKING DOWN AND LET'S JUST SAY THEY HAVE, FOR AN EXAMPLE, A PAD, A PARROT, OR AN EXOTIC BIRD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND A CROWD DOES GATHER, THAT'S AN AUDIENCE AND PEOPLE WANNA TAKE PICTURES AND SELFIES. THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. UM, SO I, I WOULD LIKE WORDING ADDRESSING THIS, EITHER THERE OR IN A LIST OF EXCEPTIONS OF ANIMALS, WHICH I BELIEVE IS DOWN IN ABOUT TWO PARAGRAPHS FURTHER. UM, WHERE WILDER EXACT ANIMAL MEANS ALL MAMMALS, BIRDS, AND THE NEST AND EGGS THEREOF, ON AND ON. UM, AND THERE'S AN EXCLUSION. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE DOMESTIC LIVESTOCK, INCLUDING CATTLE, SHEEP, GOATS AND HORSES, OR DOMESTICATED DOGS OR CATS. COULD WE ADD SOMETHING IN THERE? PERSONAL, UH, YOU KNOW, BIRD PETS OR SOME, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? SOME LANGUAGE? I THINK THERE WOULD CLARIFY THIS TO MAKE IT CLEAR. SO IF I COULD INTERJECT FOR JUST A MOMENT, MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT IS THAT THE REAL ISSUE HERE IS ABOUT THE COMMERCIALITY OF IT. SO THAT'S THE BENEFIT. IF THERE IS A FINANCIAL BENEFIT THAT THIS AN INDIVIDUAL IS ACCRUING, THEN THAT'S WHAT THIS IS MEANT TO, UM, UH, PREVENT FROM WHAT I, I JUST HEARD WITH THE TWO PRONGS. AND THEREFORE, SO LONG AS WHATEVER ANIMAL I MIGHT HAVE, I'M NOT GETTING ANY BENEFIT, WHETHER ASKING FOR DONATIONS OR ACCEPTING [00:10:01] FUNDS FOR HAVING HAD A PICTURE TAKEN, THEN THEY WOULD NOT HAVE RECEIVED A BENEFIT THAT I WOULD ASSUME POLICE WOULD UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH. I DON'T KNOW. I'M LOOKING AT THE POLICE SITTING OVER HERE. I UNDERSTAND THAT AS INTENT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR THAT TO BE CLARIFIED. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA ADD THAT, THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE, I MEAN, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE PART THAT'S MISSING. IF YOU ACT, IF YOU READ THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE OF THE ARTICLE, THAT WILL BECOME THE CITY CODE TITLE SIX. THE LANGUAGE THERE IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED. I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE RESOLUTION. IT'S IN THE AGENDA BILL. I MEAN, I THINK THE INTENT IS KNOWN. THE PROBLEM FOR ME IS THE LANGUAGE OF THE ACTUAL CODE. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE HAS TO BE A, A BENEFIT COMPONENT? NO, BECAUSE IT'S, BECAUSE IT'S A SEPARATE SECTION. YOU'VE GOT DISPLAY OR PERFORMANCE PROHIBITED IS IS LIKE 6.2030. BUT ABOVE, IN, IN DEFINITIONS. IT'S NOT COVERED. DID YOU WANNA SPEAK BECAUSE DISPLAY IS DEFINED, DISPLAY DOES NOT SAY FOR PUBLIC BENEFIT DISPLAY JUST SAYS MEANS TO EXHIBIT SHOW HOLDER USE FOR PHOTOGRAPHS WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, OR WHILE THEY'RE EXOTIC ANIMALS FOR THE BENEFIT OF A LIVE AUDIENCE. THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE ABOUT THE BENEFIT, THE FINANCIAL BENEFIT, PERSONAL BENEFIT OF THE OWNER OF THE ANIMAL. SAY THAT. SO I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU, BUT THAT WOULD BE, IT'S IN THE DEFINITION THAT YOU'RE OF DISPLAY, THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR A CHANGE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT, THAT BENEFIT ALSO ACCRUES TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHO'S DOING THE DISPLAYING, NOT JUST THE BENEFIT OF A LIVE AUDIENCE THAT COULD PROBABLY DO IT. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S DISPLAY PERFORMANCE, I THINK WORKS, PERSON WORKS. I MEAN, THESE DEFINITIONS, IT'S THE DISPLAY, UM, DEFINITION THAT I THINK NEEDS THAT. SO IF I MAY, MAYOR, COUNSELORS, THANK YOU. UM, IF IT HELPS, WE COULD JUST DO A DEFINITION OF WHAT BENEFIT IS, AND THAT MIGHT HELP BECAUSE THAT MIGHT TIE THE TWO TOGETHER SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST A FINANCIAL, IT COULD ALSO BE SOMEBODY GETTING LIKES ON THEIR MEDIA PAGE OR OTHER THINGS THAT ARE OF THE BENEFIT. SO IF IT MAKES IT BETTER TO DEFINE THE WORD BENEFIT AS AN EXTENSION OF THIS, THAT MIGHT BE BETTER. UM, AS FAR AS INTENT AND HOW IT'S WRITTEN, I THINK IT DOES COVER OUR TWO PRONGED METHOD. BUT IF YOU'RE CURIOUS ABOUT THE WORD BENEFIT, I THINK WE DEFINE THAT. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO DEF TO DEFINE BENEFIT . PETE, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. THAT'S WHERE I WAS HEADED AS WELL. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY VICE MAYOR. UH, EXACTLY THE SAME. I I THINK IT, IT LEAVE TO ME, IT OPENS UP THE POSSIBILITY OF LITIGATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY CLEAR. SO I THINK THAT YOUR SUGGESTION CHIEF IS AN EXCELLENT ONE. DEREK. UM, I NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. I STILL GO BACK TO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO REGULATE DISPLAYS THAT TAKE PLACE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WITH THE OWNER, THE PERMISSION OF THE OWNER. WHY ARE WE STICKING A NOSE IN THAT? I MEAN, WE'VE GOT THE EXCEPTION SAYS THIS CHAPTER DOES NOT APPLY, APPLY TO A DISPLAY OF PERFORMANCE OCCURS ON THE PROPERTY WITH THE PERMISSION OF AN OWNER. SO LONG AS, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THESE REQUIREMENTS FOR LICENSING. IF THE PERSON'S ON THE PROPERTY OF THE OWNER WITH THEIR PERMISSION. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY BUSINESS TELLING 'EM THEY CAN'T DO THAT. THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT EXCEPTION SHOULD REQUIRE LICENSING. IF YOU'RE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT'S IT. WE HAVE LAWS THAT PROHIBIT CRUELTY TO ANIMALS. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE USED TO, IF THERE'S A SITUATION WHERE AN ANIMAL'S BEING MISTREATED, UH, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GO THAT FAR WITH THE REGULATION CHIEF OR COMMANDER. CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? YES. UM, JUST TO, TO CLARIFY THIS, THIS ORDINANCE IS REALLY ABOUT, UM, THE PREVENTIVE SIDE OF, UM, OF THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE, RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A, A GAP WITHIN OUR, OUR ORDINANCES, UM, THAT DON'T ALLOW US TO BE PREVENTATIVE. WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY WAIT FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE CAN TAKE ACTION, WHETHER THAT BE A DOG BITE OR WHATEVER THAT HAPPENS TO BE, THIS WILL HOPEFULLY REDUCE THAT, MAKE IT MORE PREVENTATIVE. SO WE DON'T HAVE THE INTERACTIONS WITH THE ANIMALS AND THE PUBLIC REDUCING THE INJURIES AND SUCH. UM, AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU'RE ACTUALLY, UH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. THE ONLY THING THIS DOES IS IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, UM, WHERE WE GO KNOCK ON [00:15:01] PEOPLE'S DOORS. HEY, DO YOU HAVE A LICENSE? OR IS THAT PERSON A LICENSE FOR THIS? IT'S MUCH LIKE WHEN SOMEBODY HAS A DOG AT THEIR HOUSE. WE DON'T GO CHECK TO SEE THEY HAVE A DOG LICENSE, BUT WHEN THERE'S A DOG BITE, THEN WE GO IN AND SAY, DID YOUR DOG HAVE A LICENSE FOR THIS? DID YOU, YOU KNOW, WERE YOU PREPARED FOR THIS? SO IT'S MORE OF THE REACTIVE WHAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, PART OF IT. SO, UM, EITHER WAY AGAIN, UM, IT, IT'S AT THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO, THEY WANT TO, UM, REGULATE SOMETHING THAT'S ON IT OR REQUIRE SOMETHING THAT'S ON IT. UM, AND WE HAVE OTHER ACTIONS WE CAN TAKE WHEN SOMEBODY GETS BITTEN, UM, OR SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS. BUT THIS IS REALLY THE PREVENTATIVE SIDE OF THAT FOR THAT, FOR THAT FOR THE MOST PART. KATHY, UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT, COMMANDER. I THINK THAT BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WE HAD LAST TIME, BUT THERE'S SUPPORT FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING. I THINK WE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO TWEAK THE LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY OF THE, ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE THINK COULD POSSIBLY LEAD TO ANY FURTHER LITIGATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS ADDRESSED. SO I, I, I, I THINK THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS AND DRAFTING IT. I THINK WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GET THAT LITTLE LAST BIT. AND I GUESS MY QUESTION, UM, WOULD BE AT THIS POINT, I, I, I THINK YOU HEAR THE CONCERNS. I THINK I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD COME UP WITH THAT LANGUAGE TONIGHT. SHOULD WE BE PUSHING THIS TO ANOTHER MEETING? OR IS THERE LANGUAGE THAT YOU THINK WOULD ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED SO THAT WE COULD MOVE ON THIS TONIGHT WITH THE, AN AMENDMENT THAT'S OFFERED, I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO, UH, PUT IT ON THE, THE NEXT, UH, CONSENT AGENDA ON JULY 8TH. ALTHOUGH I THINK WE'VE MISSED THE DEADLINE, SO PROBABLY COME BACK IN, IN AUGUST. SO WHAT WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL MIX SOME MINOR REVISIONS TO, TO DISPLAY. 'CAUSE BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, BECAUSE IT IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE, THE PERSON WHO'S IN POSSESSION OF THE WILDLIFE. AND IT'S MORE LIKE TO SHOW IT TO THE LIVE AUDIENCE. SO I'M GONNA DO SOME MINOR REVISIONS TO DISPLAY. UH, I'LL ADD A DEFINITION OF OF BENEFIT TO MAKE IT CLEAR. UH, AND THEN, UM, THERE ARE, UH, TWO VERY MINOR REVISIONS. I I'D LIKE YOU TO, UH, CONSIDER WHEN, UM, WE HAD INTERNAL, UM, CONVERSATIONS, UH, EARLIER TODAY. AND, AND I, THE FIRST ONE ACTUALLY WILL GIVE MORE DISCRETION TO THE, TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UM, LET'S SEE HERE. IT'S UNDER PENALTY. IS IT PENALTIES? YEAH. YEAH. UNDER, UM, PENALTIES. SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, A, IT SAYS, UPON A FIRST VIOLATION OF THIS CHAPTER, AN OFFICER SHALL ISSUE A WRITTEN WARNING. MM-HMM . WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, TO CHANGE THAT FROM AN OFFICER SHALL ISSUE, A WRITTEN WARNING TO AN OFFICER MAY ISSUE A DOCUMENTED WARNING. SO THEY'RE NOT OUT THERE. YOU KNOW, HERE'S YOUR WRITTEN WARNING THAT THAT'S NOT THE CURRENT PRACTICE. AND IN THIS WAY, UH, UPON A FIRST VIOLATION, IT, THEY HAVE DISCRETION. SO, SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S A CHANGE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. UM, AND THEN THE, UH, THE OTHER CHANGE IS, IS ABOVE THAT, AND THAT'S ON ENFORCEMENT. AND, AND THAT ACTUALLY, UH, I BELIEVE DID COME FROM, UM, A, A COUNCIL MEMBER IN, IN THIS SECTION B HERE IS PRETTY MUCH RIGHT OUT OF THE GAME AND FISH RULES. BUT INSTEAD OF SAYING THE CONFISCATING AGENCY MAY MAKE A REASONABLE EFFORT TO FIND SUITABLE PLACEMENT, WE WANNA CHANGE THAT TO SHALL THE CONFISCATING AGENCY SHALL MAKE A REASONABLE EFFORT. MM-HMM . SO THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE ON, ON THIS ONE. CONFISCATING AGENCY SHALL MAKE A REASONABLE EFFORT TO FIND SUITABLE PLACEMENT. SO, SO THOSE WERE, WERE, UH, FAIRLY MINOR, BUT IT SEEMS VERY, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENT WITH MOVING THIS TO THE, THE PLACE WHERE COUNSEL SEEMS TO WANT IT TO BE. OKAY. SO, SO BASED ON THOSE AND WORDING THAT YOU STILL HAVE TO WORK OUT, YOU WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS? IF THERE WERE, IF THERE WERE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS TO THE AUGUST MEETING? UH, I, I WOULD LIKE, UH, THE POLICE, UH, TO, YEAH, WE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT. OKAY. WE WOULDN'T OBJECT. AND BEFORE WE MOVE ON, WE HAVE TWO CARDS. I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY. MAYBE IT'S, THEY HAVE SOME OTHER SUGGESTIONS. SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE, THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, SO WE HAVE ALAN ABU HI, ALAN, TO THE PODIUM. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. YES, MY NAME'S ALAN ALAGE. YOU HAVE TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. MY NAME'S ALAN AHA. AND I RESIDE IN SEDONA. UM, AND I'M, I SENT YOU AN EMAIL REGARDING MY COMMENTS ON THAT, UH, ORDINANCE TO COUNSEL. UM, AND THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THAT ORDINANCE, OR THE WORDING OF IT, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY. UH, YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THEM, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE STRONG ENOUGH. IT, [00:20:01] YOU'RE RELYING A LOT ON THE DISCRETION OF THE CITING OFFICER FOR THE DISPOSITION, AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY NOT SAFE. AND IF YOU READ THE WORDING AS IT IS, UM, IT'S POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE IN THEIR HOME TO BE IN VIOLATION AND FOR THE ANIMAL TO BE CONFISCATED AND EUTHANIZED FROM THAT FIRST EVENT. AND THAT WORDING IS TOO LOOSE. SO I, I REQUEST THE WORDING BE TIGHTENED UP SO THAT THAT IS NOT A POSSIBILITY. UM, THESE ARE SUMMARY, THESE ARE ALREADY SUMMARIZED IN MY EMAIL, SO I'M JUST GONNA HIT UPON 'EM JUST IN A BRIEF MOMENT. SAVING YOUR TIME. UM, SO CONFISCATION AND EUTHANASIA, IN MY OPINION IS, IS UNACCEPTABLE. IT'S JUST NOT A, NOT A WORDING THAT SHOULD BE IN THAT ORDINANCE. THE WORDING OF THE ORDINANCE IS ALREADY AGGRESSIVE IN REQUIRING OR STARTING OUT BY SAYING THAT THERE ARE NO, UH, THERE SHALL BE NO DISPLAY. THEN IT MENTIONS EXCEPTIONS AND THEN THE EXCEPTIONS, UM, WHERE YOU ALLOW DISPLAY IN A RESIDENCE ONLY WITH THE OWNER'S PERMISSION, BUT IF THE, IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A LICENSE, WHICH IS ALSO UNREASONABLE. A LICENSE TO DISPLAY AN ANIMAL IS AN EXOTIC ANIMAL IS, IS NOT A REASONABLE THING TO EXPECT FOR SOMEONE WHO OWNS A PARROT OR A LIZARD. AND THE DEFINITION OF EXOTIC IN THIS CASE IS TOO BROAD. SO I DON'T THINK THAT A, UM, REQUIRING A LICENSE FOR DISPLAY IN A HOME IS A REASONABLE THING. UM, THE AL WORDING ALSO REQUIRE, AS YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE THE WORD SHALL FOR SHALL ISSUE OF WARNING, A WRITTEN WARNING ON THE FIRST OFFENSE TO MAY. I THINK THAT'S BETTER, BUT IT'S STILL A LITTLE DRACONIAN. UM, BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE HAS THE JUXTAPOSITION OF, UM, OF A FIRST WARNING AND ANIMAL MAY BE EUTHANIZED IN THE SAME PARAGRAPH. SO THAT IMPLIES TO ME THAT THE LAW, THE LAW ALLOWS, UH, THE FIRST, IN THE FIRST OFFENSE TO CONFISCATE AN ANIMAL, EUTHANIZE IT ON A FIRST, UH, ON, ON A FIRST OFFENSE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO OFFENSIVE. UM, SO IN SUMMARY, LEMME JUST QUICKLY SAY I KIND OF, I, I THINK THAT LICENSING IS UNREASONABLE. I THINK FIRST VIOLATION LANGUAGE ON THAT CURRENT WORDING IS A LITTLE BIT TOUGH. AND DISPLAYING AT HOME IS FULLY, UM, PROHIBITED BY THE WORDING OF THIS ORDINANCE. AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE FIXED. AND EUTHANASIA IS ALWAYS UNACCEPTABLE. SO THAT I THINK DOES NOT BELONG IN THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMANDER. YOU WANNA ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE COMMENTS? WE, WE CAN DO THAT AT THIS PORTION. WELL, I THINK, OBVIOUSLY, UM, IT'S NOT OUR INTENT TO BE THE FIRST THING OUT. UH, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT COSTS SO MUCH MONEY IN ORDER TO DO THIS. AND WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO BE CONFISCATING ALL THESE ANIMALS. UM, EUTHANASIA IS AN ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT. UM, AND IT IS ONLY USED WHEN THERE'S A SITUATION THAT REQUIRES IT TYPICALLY FROM WHEN A, UM, SPECIALIST OR AN EXPERT SAYS THIS ANIMAL MUST BE EUTHANIZED FOR WHAT HUMANE REASONS WE DON'T. I, I, I WOULDN'T FORESEE US CONFISCATING A A BIRD AND THEN EUTHANIZING IT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA EUTHANIZE IT. IT WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM SOMEBODY WHO IS AN EXPERT WHO SAID, HEY, THIS BIRD HAS THIS PROBLEM, OR THIS CHALLENGE, OR WHATEVER THAT HAPPENS TO BE. UM, AS YOU'RE PROBABLY ALL VERY AWARE, UM, I'M PART OF AN ORGANIZATION THAT TAKES CARE OF ANIMALS, AND THAT'S NOT OUR, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT HERE. BUT THERE HAS TO BE AN AVENUE BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES THAT IT HAS TO BE EXPLORED. AND IT'S NOT A PLEASANT THING, BUT SOMETIMES IT HAS TO BE DONE. I, OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. WE HAVE ANOTHER CARD. UH, JOHN DUFF, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. THANK YOU. JOHN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, SETH RELEY. OKAY, THANK YOU. JOHN DUFF, CITY OF SEDONA. I'VE BEEN HERE 14 YEARS. I'VE GOT A WRITTEN STATEMENT 'CAUSE I GOT A LOT TO COVER. UH, IF NOTHING ELSE, PLEASE DO TWO THINGS FOR ME. STRIKE THE WORDS PERFORMANCE AND BENEFIT FROM WHAT THE ANIMAL EXHIBITORS DO. UPTOWN PERFORMANCE IS NOT WHAT IT IS. IT'S ALL ABOUT EDUCATION. THERE IS NO EXPLOITATION. IT'S PURELY EDUCATION. WE ARE VERY, VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY ALL THE PEOPLE THAT COME AND VISIT US. AND THIS HAPPENS ON A REGULAR BASIS. I'VE GET PEOPLE THAT COME AND SEE US AND TALK TO US EVERY DAY AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT THE KIDS DID, WE DID EVERYTHING. WE WENT TO THE GRAND CANYON, WE WENT, UH, UH, ON A HELICOPTER RIDE. WE WENT ON A JEEP TOUR, BUT THE KIDS ENJOYED WHAT WE DID WITH YOU GUYS IN THE ANIMALS MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE DID. SO [00:25:01] THIS GOES BACK A LITTLE BIT HISTORY, AND I BELIEVE I CAN HELP YOU GUYS IN TERMS OF GUIDANCE. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID SO FAR, 14 YEAR LONG SEDONA RESIDENT HERE. THE MAYOR REFERRED TO ME IN ONE OF THE RECENT NEWSPAPER ARTICLES AS THAT ONE GUY REGARDING EXOTIC ANIMAL DISPLAYS IN UPTOWN SEDONA. ACTUALLY, I'M BUT ONE OF 13 HUMANS THAT OPERATE, BUT ONE OF FIVE DIFFERENT ANIMAL RESCUE SANCTUARIES IN NORTHERN ARIZONA. BUT I'M SPECIAL, MR. KISH CAN STATE THAT I MAY BE THE ONLY PERSON ON THE PLANET THAT HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH MISDEMEANORS THREE TIMES. REGARDING THE CITY ORDINANCE. THE CITY ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED ON, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, AUGUST OF SEPTEMBER, AUGUST OF 2023. UM, LET'S SEE. UH, THE VAGUE ONE THAT INFRINGES UPON CIVIL RIGHTS AND MIGHT OPEN THE DOOR ONE DAY OF LITIGATION. YOU TALKED ABOUT LITIGATION, UM, LITIGATION VAGUE ACCORDING TO ONE SKEPTICAL COUNCIL MEMBERS. TO BE HONEST, A WOMAN PUSHING A BABY STROLLER ACROSS THE SIDEWALK IN UPTOWN COULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE CITY ORDINANCE. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. ALONG WITH ANYONE PLACING A BACKPACK ON A WALL OR ANY PERIOD OF TIME, I WAS TOLD THAT A, HAVING A A DISPLAY CASE NEXT TO ME WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE CITY ORDINANCE. HAVING IT IN MY LAP WAS NOT. SO I ACTUALLY PUT A LOT OF THE VEHICLE, MY ANIMALS IN MY MOTOR HOME, KEPT THEM IN THE MOTOR HOME AND BROUGHT THEM OUT FOR PEOPLE TO HANDLE AND PUTTING THEM BACK IN THE MOTOR HOME AGAIN. SO THAT WAS THE WAY TO GET AROUND THE VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE, IF YOU WOULD. AND THAT'S WHAT I DID FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. I THINK THE CITY WASN'T APPRECIATIVE OF THAT AS WELL. UH, I RECEIVED A CITATION BECAUSE ONE, MY DOG WAS GETTING ATTENTION FROM VISITORS ON A SIX FOOT LEASH ONE DAY. A STORE OWNER CALLED FORMER CITY MANAGER, CAMERON OSBURN, ON A SATURDAY, WHO THEN CALLED CHIEF FOLEY. AND I APPRECIATE YOU. I DO KNOWN YOU FOR A LONG TIME, 14 YEARS, WHO ORDERED SERGEANT LEON TO WRITE ME A CRIMINAL CITATION, WHICH THE SERGEANT DID IN HER POLICE VEHICLE. PRIOR TO OBSERVING THE CIRCUMSTANCES RELEVANT TO THE SITUATION, MR. KISH DISMISSED THE CHARGE, THE CASE AFTER I THREATENED TO SUE THE CITY FOR COLLUSION, HARASSMENT, CORRUPTION, AND ABUSE OF POWER. I CONSIDER MOST OF THE POLICE OFFICER OFFICERS IN THE CITY OF SEDONA TO BE GOOD FRIENDS OF MINE. THE, THE EXCEPTION BEING JOSHUA JONES, A MAN THAT, IN MY OPINION WAS A, WAS ASSIGNED TO HARASS ME AND ARE NO LONGER EXHIBITING, HOSTING MY EXHIBIT UPTOWN. UH, HE OFTEN WROTE PARKING TICKETS FROM MY VEHICLE, FAILING TO CHECK OF THE VEHICLES ON S ON STATE ROUTE 89 80 BEFORE DEPARTING THE SCENE. I HAVE EMAILS BETWEEN JONES AND OTHERS CLAIMING THAT I EXHIBITED ATTRIBUTES OF A METH USER. I MAY HAVE SMOKED MARIJUANA THREE TIMES IN MY LIFE, AND THAT WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL. THANK YOU, SIR, TO BE CONTINUED. THANK YOU. OKAY. SETH WOULD BE THE FINAL PERSON SPEAKING ON THIS TOPIC. SETH, YOU HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTES YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, PLEASE. OKAY, THANK YOU. I AM, UH, SETH BARLEY. I'M PART OF A GROUP CALLED ANIMAL HAVEN, AND IT IS A, A SEPARATE GROUP THAN WHAT MR. DUFF HAS. BRING THE MIC UP PLEASE. OKAY. UH, IT IS A SEPARATE GROUP THAN THE ONE WITH MR. DUFF. AND, UH, WHENEVER HE GOT IN TROUBLE AND STARTED, YOU KNOW, HAD THINGS WHERE HE ACTUALLY WAS NOT ABLE TO EXHIBIT, OUR ANIMAL GROUP DECIDED TO START EXHIBITING UP THERE. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY TROUBLE IN THE PAST TWO YEARS AT ALL. SO I JUST WANT TO POINT TO THE FACT THAT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THE ANIMAL EXHIBIT HAS NOT HAD ANY TROUBLE WHATSOEVER. AND IT IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE. THERE ARE MULTIPLE GROUPS IN TOWN. SO MAKING AN ORDINANCE THAT AFFECTS EVERY GROUP OVER ONE PERSON, OR ONE THING THAT HAS AN INCIDENT IS I BELIEVE, UH, OVERSHOT. SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT EVERYBODY WOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, THAT IT'S GONNA AFFECT OTHER GROUPS AND OTHER PEOPLE LIKE EVEN LOCAL, BECAUSE OUR, OUR ANIMAL GROUP DOES FOSTER CARE FOR PETS. AND ALL OF THE PETS THAT WE HAVE ARE SOMEBODY'S PET HERE LOCALLY THAT HAS SAID, CAN YOU PLEASE TAKE CARE OF MY ANIMAL FOR ME? SO THOSE WOULD BE AFFECTED AS WELL. AND I JUST ASK THAT YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION THAT NOT EVERY ANIMAL GROUP THAT IS IN THE, YOU KNOW, SEDONA AREA IS EXACTLY THE SAME, AND THAT ALL OF THOSE ANIMALS ARE NOT EXACTLY TREATED THE SAME. SOME, SOME PEOPLE TREAT THEIR ANIMALS VERY WELL. SO I JUST WANT TO POINT TO THAT FACT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SETH. CAN YOU JUST GIVE US YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE, PLEASE? YOU DIDN'T, UH, SEDONA? YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THAT PUBLIC PORTION AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. UH, COUNCILOR DUN, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY YOUR REQUEST. UH, DO YOU, DID YOU HAVE ALL YOUR, UH, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS ADDRESSED? SO I DID, BUT I HAVE A, ANOTHER QUESTION TO ASK. SO, UH, SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU SAID, COMMANDER, YOU, YOU, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT YOUTH IN YOUTH EUTHANASIA, YOU SPOKE ABOUT IT AS HAVING AN EXPERT MAKE THAT DECISION. UM, AND AGENCY'S DISCRETION DOESN'T IMPLY ANYTHING ABOUT THE EXPERTISE OF THE AGENCY ITSELF. SO I WAS JUST WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER, INCLUDING THE FACT [00:30:01] THAT YOU, YOU, THE POLICE WON'T NECESSARILY MAKE THAT DECISION WITHOUT HAVING, UM, SOMEONE WHO KNOWS MORE ABOUT THAT ANIMAL MAKE A DECISION. SO, UM, WHAT DO YOU JUST, YOU HAVE THOUGHTS? UH, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY CHALLENGE WITH IT. I DON'T BELIEF BECAUSE, UH, AGAIN, WE TYPICALLY DO HAVE, TRY ALL MEANS TO FIND A HOME OR SOMETHING FOR THAT ANIMAL. SO IN ORDER FOR, YOU KNOW, AN EXPERT TO SAY, NO, YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD AFFECT WHAT WE'RE DOING. NO, TYPICALLY. UM, AWESOME. ALRIGHT. SORRY, CHIEF. OKAY. , UH, NO. TYPICALLY WHEN WE'VE HAD AN INCIDENT THAT REQUIRES EUTHANASIA, THEN IT'S BY A VET OR SOMEBODY ELSE, OR A JUDGE THAT IT'S AN ONGOING ISSUE WHERE WE'RE SEEING A VICIOUSNESS AND THEY'RE A THREAT TO MORE, UM, HEALTH AND SAFETY THAT THEN PUT AN ORDER TO IT. SO, UM, USUALLY THAT'S HOW EXPERTS OR IT'S PASSED DOWN TO US THAT IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. AND, UM, PREVIOUSLY, UM, SOME ANIMALS, SNAKES, REPTILES, UM, WHEN THEY HAD TO BE PUT DOWN, IT WAS BASED ON THEIR HEALTH. AND THAT CAME FROM AN EXPERT THAT CAN DEAL WITH THAT. AND THAT WAS NOT FROM US. AND, UM, SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THAT'S IN THERE BECAUSE THERE IS THE POTENTIAL. BUT THOSE ARE MORE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THOSE TYPICALLY HAPPEN. AND THAT ONE I THINK WE CAN, UM, REVISE, UH, TONIGHT. SO I THINK THAT WE SIMPLY ADD THAT, UH, CONFISCATING AGENCIES SHALL MAKE REASONABLE EFFORT TO FIND SUITABLE PLACEMENT FOR THE WILD OR EXOTIC ANIMAL, OR AT THE AGENCY'S DISCRETION AFTER CONSULTATION WITH A VETERINARIAN OR A WILD OR EXOTIC ANIMAL EXPERT, THE ANIMAL MAY BE EUTHANIZED. OKAY? MM-HMM . I, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT DEREK HAD HIS QUESTION TO ANSWER TOO. WELL, I WAS GONNA GET TO THAT SIDE. YEAH, NO. 'CAUSE PETE HAD HIS HAND UP. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND I MIGHT HAVE A SUGGESTION IN THAT REGARD, UH, TO STAFF IF THIS IS A MOTION TO DEFER, WHICH I THINK IT MIGHT BE, I'M GONNA TABLE YEAH. UM, THAT YOU ALSO GIVE SOME CONSIDERATION TO THE USEFULNESS OF THE BENEFIT WORD, AGAIN, IN THAT HOME ACTIVITY. SO JUST AN IDEA TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER THAT ADDS SOME, OKAY. YEAH. DEREK, I DON'T, THE MORE I LISTEN TO THIS, THE MORE I FIND MYSELF ASKING WHY ARE WE EVEN DOING THIS OKAY. AT ALL. OKAY. UM, I'M DEFINITELY NOT GONNA SUPPORT THIS. IF IT PURPORTS TO REGULATE WHAT PEOPLE DO ON THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY. PERFORMANCE MAY BE DIFFERENT. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT A SIMPLE DISPLAY, SOMEONE SHOWING ANIMALS, I THINK WE SHOULD STAY OUT OF IT. SO, OKAY. I THINK THAT'S A POINT WORTH TAKING. SO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL IT'S A MOTION TO DEFER. YEAH. WELL DEFER OR TABLE, UH, TO DEFER. CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT FIRST? I DO. I WANNA, I DO, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER, BUT I WANNA MAKE A COMMENT FIRST IF I MAY. OKAY. OKAY. SO I, I, I HEARD, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT 'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT, THAT THERE'S FOUR THINGS I THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT FOR NEW LANGUAGE, ONE OF WHICH IS A DEFINITION OF, OF BENEFIT. THE SECOND IS THE LANGUAGE AROUND A EUTHANASIA DECISION. A THIRD WOULD BE WHAT YOU HAD SAID ABOUT USING PERMISSIVE VERSUS COMPULSORY TERMS. AND THE FOURTH ONE WOULD BE, UM, TO LOOK AT, UM, HOME ENVIRONMENT AND PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO IS, ARE THOSE WHAT YOU HAD AS THE FOUR THINGS TO BE LOOKED AT FOR REVISED LANGUAGE? UH, YES. COUNSELOR, AND THEN I, I HAVE ANOTHER ONE AS WELL DISPLAY. UH, I, I'M ALSO GOING TO PROPOSE A REVISION FOR THAT BECAUSE IT SAYS DISPLAY FOR THE BENEFIT OF A LIVE AUDIENCE. AND SO THAT WOULD BE OKAY. IT WILL ALSO BE CAPTURED BY THE DEFINITION OF BENEFIT, BUT I THINK THAT CAN BE REWORDED TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR. OKAY. OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK THAT THOSE CHANGES ARE NECESSARY FOR THIS, BECAUSE I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS, UM, A, A, A GOOD, UM, ORDINANCE, A GOOD THING TO ADOPT IN OUR CODE BECAUSE IT, IT'S PROTECTS THE PUBLIC, IT WILL HELP PROTECT ANIMALS AND IT WILL HELP PROTECT ORGANIZATIONS. I THINK THAT OUR, UM, OPERATING TO VERY HIGH STANDARDS AND CARE FOR ANIMALS, AND IT MAY HELPS DELINEATE THAT. SO I, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS GOING FORWARD WHEN WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, REV, ONCE WE LOOK AT REVISED LANGUAGE. SO, [00:35:01] UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, I CAN MAKE A MOTION IF YOU LIKE. I BELIEVE WE'RE READY NOW. THIS IS, I I HAVE ONE MORE THING. VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER WHEN, UH, FISH AND GAME GAME AND FISH CAME AND TALKED TO US ABOUT THE JAVELINA AND UPTOWN MM-HMM . AND THEIR POLICY IS, IS START WITH EUTHANASIA. THEY SAID, BUT WE WOULD NEVER DO IT IN, IN SEDONA BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T STAND FOR IT. , UH, BUT OTHER, THEY WOULD BE A CONFISCATING AGENCY AND THAT POTENTIALLY IS THEIR POLICY. AND POTENTIALLY IF THEY CONFISCATE WHETHER THIS ORDINANCE IS IN EFFECT OR NOT, THAT COULD HAPPEN. UM, I, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. SO GAME AND FISH HAS THEIR, THEIR OWN RULES THAT THAT WOULD ALLOW EUTHANASIA. UH, THEY CURRENTLY, UH, DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFFING. THEY'RE NOT ENFORCING THEIR WILDLIFE RULES IN ANY MUNICIPALITY IN THE STATE. SO WE SHARED WITH THEM OUR PROPOSED CITY CODE, AND, UH, THEY, THEY HAD A, A, A COUPLE OF, UH, COMMENTS. UH, ONE OF THEM WAS THEY DID NOT WANT TO BE UNDER, UH, THE ENFORCEMENT. SO WHO CAN ENFORCE THIS CITY CODE IS ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER, CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, CITY COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICER, OR ANY AZ POST CERTIFIED PEACE OFFICER. SO GAME AND FISH, UNLESS IT WOULD BE AN EASY POST CERTIFIED PEACE OFFICER ON THEIR STAFF WOULD, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ENFORCE OUR CITY CODE. UH, THAT IS THANK YOU. MONIQUE. WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE VICE MAYOR SAID ABOUT EUTHANASIA AS THEIR FIRST LINE, ISN'T THAT MORE FOR NON-DOMESTIC ANIMALS? THE, THE HALINA AND THE DEER MOST LIKELY OR NORMALLY HIT BY, UH, VEHICLES? THAT'S CORRECT, MAYOR. UH, TH THAT'S, UH, THE EUTHANASIA IS SPECIFIC TO THEIR, UH, RULES FOR, UH, WILDER EXOTIC ANIMALS. BUT SO THEY DON'T APPLY TO DOMESTIC ANIMALS ANYWAY. DO, DO THEY? NO, THEY, THEY WOULDN'T. UH, AND IN FACT, I DON'T BELIEVE ERRORS IN A GAME AND FISH HAS ANY RULES OR STATUTES FOR, UH, DOGS, CATS, UM, MACAU'S, . WELL, THOSE ARE EXCLUDED THOUGH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONES THAT ARE, ARE INCLUDED. I KNOW, I KNOW. BUT I LOVE THOSE. SO, OKAY. SO, UH, DEREK, UNDER CURRENT LAW WOULD, IF PEACE OFFICER CAME ACROSS SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT SOME OF THE ANIMALS WERE BEING NEGLECTED, UH, WOULD THEY HAVE UNDER EXISTING LAW, WOULD THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONFISCATE THOSE IF IT WAS, UM, A CRIMINAL CASE THAT WE WERE WORKING SUCH AS AN ANIMAL ABUSE? YES. OKAY. SO WE COULD, WE COULD CONFISCATE THEM TO GET THEM AID, UM, TO GET THEM TO A VET AND TO DO THAT KIND OF THING. OKAY. FOR, FOR ANIMAL ABUSE, IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS FOR THAT CRIMINAL SIDE OF IT. SO I GUESS I WONDER THEN, DO WE EVEN WANT CONFISCATION IN HERE? I MEAN, IF THEY'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO CONFISCATE THE ANIMAL, IF THERE'S A, OBVIOUSLY SOME OTHER CRIME GOING ON, SOMEBODY'S GOT AN ANIMAL THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IN NEED OF SERIOUS MEDICAL CARE, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU COULD TAKE IT ANYWAY, RIGHT? YES. SO WHY EVEN INCLUDE CONFISCATION AS AN OPTION OF THE ORDINANCE? GIVE 'EM A TICKET, SEND 'EM ON THEIR WAY. KATHY, YOU WANT, WELL, I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME, I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE SEEN CASES IN, I'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN ANIMAL RESCUE AND, UM, REHABILITATION IN OVER THE YEARS, AND I'VE SEEN SOME CASES WHERE AN ANIMAL HAS BEEN SO ABUSED, MISTREATED, NEGLECTED, STARVED, BEATEN, USED IN FIGHTING ENVIRONMENTS THAT THE ONLY MERCIFUL THING TO DO, UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES IS A, A, A EUTHANASIA. BUT YOU HAVE TO CONFISCATE IN ORDER TO DO THAT. IN A CASE WHERE AN ANIMAL IS BEING SO ABUSED, DO YOU REALLY THINK JUST ISSUING A TICKET IS AND LEAVING THE ANIMAL IN THE CARE OF THE PERSON WHO IS INFLICTING THAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO? I THINK CONFISCATION, UM, IS A NECESSARY PART OF AN ORDINANCE TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC AND THE ANIMALS. OKAY. I'M NOT SAYING THEY CAN'T BE CONFISCATED. WHAT I'M HEARING IS THEY COULD BE CONFISCATED WITHOUT, EVEN WITHOUT THIS ORDINANCE, IF SOMEBODY COMES ACROSS AN ANIMAL THAT'S BEING NEGLECTED, ABUSED, WHATEVER, THEY COULD CONFISCATED ANYWAY, IF I MAY, I'M JUST GONNA ADD ONE MORE THING TO THE CONFISCATION. IF FOR SOME REASON IT POSED A RISK AS FAR AS AGGRESSIVENESS OR BITE, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE ABUSE FOR US TO FALL BACK ON FOR CONFISCATION. IF IT'S EXHIBITING ODD BEHAVIORS THAT MAY, WE MIGHT THINK THAT IT HAS A DISEASE OF SOME SORT, THEN WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY. THIS ACTUALLY ALLOWS IT ON SOME OTHER, OKAY. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CONFISCATION IN THIS ORDINANCE IN ORDER FOR YOU ABLE TO DO THAT? CORRECT. OKAY. BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE RELYING ON [00:40:01] ABUSE OR SOMETHING. YEAH, I KNOW. I MEAN, IF THE ANIMAL'S SICK OR BEING ABUSED, I WANT SEE IT CONFISCATED. I JUST DON'T WANT THE FACT SIMPLE FACT THAT SOMEBODY'S GOT SOME SNAKES SITTING IN A DISPLAY MEAN THAT THEY'RE GONNA TAKE HIM FROM THE GUY. YEAH. AND, AND IF I MAY, UM, A SNAKE OR ANY ANIMAL THAT'S PART OF THIS ORDINANCE IS PERSONAL PROPERTY. SO THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF ADJUDICATION THAT ALLOWS US TO TAKE THAT ACTION. WE CAN'T JUST, UH, IF IT WAS A MEDICAL EMERGENCY, YES, WE COULD EUTHANIZE IT BASED ON THE DOCTORS, BUT IF WE JUST CONFISCATED THE ANIMAL BECAUSE OF WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE, EVEN WITH WHEN WE DO IT WITH AN ANIMAL LIKE A, A DOG, THAT'S BIT, THAT'S BITTEN SOMEBODY, THERE HAS TO BE AN ADJUDICATION THERE IN FRONT OF A JUDGE WHO SAYS, YES, YOU NEED TO PUT THE ANIMAL DOWN. SO IT'S NEVER JUST A, WE CONFISCATE IN THE ANIMALS PUT DOWN, THERE'S, THERE'S A PROCESS THAT HAS TO BE GONE THROUGH BECAUSE IT'S SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY. WELL THEN I THINK WE NEED TO SAY THAT IN THE ORDINANCE THEN. IT'S NOT JUST AT THE DISCRETION OF THE AGENCY. IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE PROCESS WOULD BE FOR DISPOSITION OF AN ANIMAL. THAT'S, SO IS THAT A SIXTH ITEM, MONIQUE, THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT? I, I ACTUALLY, UM, UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA, I ACTUALLY ORIGINALLY HAD SOME LANGUAGE UNDER THAT, UH, OR AT THE AGENCY'S DISCRETION AFTER CONSULTATION. MM-HMM . UM, OR, UH, OR THROUGH A COURT ORDER. BUT THAT DOES SEEM TO, UM, NEGATE THE NEED FOR THE AGENCY'S DISCRETION. SO WOULD YOU EVER HAVE AN INSTANCE WHERE IT WOULD BE AT, UH, YOUR DISCRETION AFTER YOU CONSULT WITH A, UM, VETERINARIAN, VETERINARIAN OR A WILDLIFE EXPERT? OR IS THERE ALWAYS A COURT ORDER? YES, BECAUSE IT COULD BE AFTER HOURS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT FOR ANOTHER DAY. I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUSINESS HOURS AT EXPERTS WORK VERSUS IF THEY WERE ON CALL. SO YES, I THINK THERE COULD BE A NEED. AND I, I DON'T SEE THIS BEING A VERY COMMON ISSUE, BUT I THINK IT ALLOWS FOR LIKE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE DISCRETION TO BE THERE. SO IN THE RARE INCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THESE THINGS. UM, AND WHEN WE SPEAK ABOUT A DOG AND A DOG BITE, TYPICALLY HOW WE FOLLOW UP ON THAT IS WE MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS PROPER LICENSING TO ENSURE THAT THEY'VE HAD THEIR RABIES SHOTS. IF THOSE HAPPEN, THEN WE DON'T ALWAYS QUARANTINE THAT DOG AWAY FROM THE OWNER IF WE CAN SEE THAT THEY HAVE EVERYTHING AND THEY'RE NOT DISPLAYING ODD BEHAVIORS. SO WE'RE TRYING TO ALSO USE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TO HELP GUIDE HOW TO FORM THIS ONE. UM, AND, AND THAT'S WHERE IT COMES FROM. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LICENSING, IF SOMEBODY DIDN'T HAVE A LICENSE FOR THEIR DOG, THEY CAN'T SHOW US THEIR VACCINATIONS, WE ARE GOING TO CONFISCATE QUARANTINE THAT DOG UNTIL EITHER THEY GET US THEIR PROOF THAT THEY HAD THE RABIES OR THEY GET IT THEN AND WE MONITOR IT FOR A SET AMOUNT OF DAYS TO ENSURE THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE RABIES AND THAT WE'RE BACK TO THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OTHERS. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA, UH, MOVE ON. KATHY, YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER? I DO. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DEFER THIS ITEM, UM, SO THAT WE CAN CONSIDER THE, THE, THE ENUMERATED CHANGES THAT WE DISCUSSED. AND I'D LIKE TO DEFER IT TO THE AUGUST 12TH MEETING. OKAY. CAN WE HAVE SECOND? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? WE ARE HEARING NONE. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL. OKAY. APPOINTMENTS ITEM FOUR, WE HAVE NONE. SUMMARY [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS (Part 1 of 2)] OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MYSELF, THE COUNCIL OR THE MANAGER, OR COUNCIL SIMONS. I DO HAVE ONE. OKAY. OKAY, GO AHEAD. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE, UH, LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER HAS, UM, RECEIVED SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING AND I WANTED TO THANK SUPERVISOR NIKKI CHECK AND THE AVA PI COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR MAKING AN ADDITIONAL $10,000 AVAILABLE TO THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH, AS YOU KNOW, SERVES MEALS ON WHEELS AND CONGREGATE LUNCH AND HAS OTHER PROGRAMS BENEFITING SENIORS IN OUR COMMUNITY. ALSO, THE DONOR COMMUNITY CENTER, UM, WAS RECENTLY RECOGNIZED BY A HOSPICE FOR THEIR PARTNERSHIP AND SUPPORT ON, ON THOSE PROGRAMS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT OUR COMMUNITY CENTER IS VALUED BY ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THAT AND HOW ACTIVE THEY ARE. AND THE LAST THING I WANNA KNOW IS, NOW THAT I'VE TOLD YOU HOW GREAT THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS, IT NEEDS BOARD MEMBERS. SO PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN SENIOR ISSUES IN FOOD, UH, SECURITY ISSUES, PLEASE CONSIDER, UM, GETTING IN TOUCH WITH THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER'S EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND GETTING INVOLVED AS POTENTIALLY AS A BOARD MEMBER. THANK YOU. I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD JUST ONE SECOND THAT, UM, THE COMMUNITY CENTER WHO THE PUBLIC'S INVITED TO COME FOR A LUNCH EVERY DAY. [00:45:01] THEY DO FIVE DAYS A WEEK. IT'S, UH, YOU PAY FOR IT AND IT'S A PRETTY DARN GOOD HEALTHY LUNCH. AND IT'S, I'VE DONE IT NUMEROUS TIMES. I KNOW THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE AS WELL, THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR HELP WITH MEALS ON WHEELS PEOPLE TO DELIVER THE FOOD SOMETIMES, AS THOSE DRIVERS ARE USUALLY THE ONLY CONTACT THAT SOME OF THE SHUT-INS SEE IN A GIVEN WEEK. SO IT'S A VERY REWARDING, UH, POSITION AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR DRIVERS. SO, UH, THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE, KATHY? NO, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, PETE, YOU HAD SOMETHING? YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. GOT, UH, TWO THINGS, JUST I'LL TRY TO BE REAL BRIEF HERE ON MAY 23RD, NAMAH, WHICH IS THE NORTHERN ARIZONA MUNICIPAL WATER USERS ASSOCIATION, WHICH I'M THE COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE, HELD ITS ANNUAL OR BIANNUAL BIANNUAL WATER UTILITIES USER FORUM. THE WOLF, UH, HELD EVERY TWO YEARS PRINCIPALLY FOR A WAY FOR WATER DELIVERY AND TREATMENT PROFESSIONALS TO EARN THEIR CONTINUING EDUCATION CREDIT THAT WAS SUPER WELL ATTENDED AND RECEIVED. THE PRESENTATIONS ARE UP ON THE NAMA SITE, THAT'S NAM W.ORG. AND IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, THERE'S DEEP DIVES INTO REGULATORY OVERVIEWS, WATER PURIFICATION METHODS, PFAS TREATMENT, ALL KINDS OF GOOD DATA ON THERE. AND THEN, UH, JUST LAST WEDNESDAY, JUNE 18TH, THE COCONINO PLATEAU WATER PARTNERSHIP AND CP WAC HOSTED, IT'S HOSTED A RURAL GROUNDWATER RESILIENCE WORKSHOP PUT ON BY THE A SU GLOBAL FUTURES LAB, THE A SU ARIZONA WATER INITIATIVE, UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA INSTITUTE FOR RESILIENCE, THE LINCOLN INSTITUTE, BABBITT CENTER FOR LAND AND WATER POLICY. WE HAD 70 ATTENDEES, MOSTLY FROM NORTHERN ARIZONA. TALKED ALL KINDS OF GOOD TECHNICAL STUFF ABOUT HYDROGEOLOGY AND WATER RESOURCES, MANAGEMENT POLICIES, REGIONAL MODELING EFFORTS, ON AND ON. IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING MEETING, LOTS OF ENTHUSIASM ABOUT IN NORTHERN ARIZONA ABOUT THINKING ABOUT OUR WATER ISSUES AND POLICY ISSUES AND, AND THINGS GOING FORWARD. THE NEXT STEP FOR THE CP WATER, UH, PARTNERSHIP IS TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION PROBABLY IN BITS AND CHUNKS. 'CAUSE IT WAS QUITE A BROAD AGENDA, UM, BUT WE WOULD REALLY WANNA KEEP THAT INTEREST AND ENTHUSIASM ALIVE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DEREK, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY. VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, ON SATURDAY THE 28TH, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN OFFICIAL SIGNING CEREMONY FOR OUR FIRST SISTER CITY, CANMORE, CANADA, AND THE MAYOR AND THE, SOME OF THE EXECUTIVE BOARD MEMBERS ARE GOING TO BE GOING TO CANMORE AND THERE WILL ALSO BE A SIGNING, SIGNING HERE AT THE LIBRARY AT THREE 30 ON SATURDAY, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO GO. AND THERE WILL BE LIVE BROADCAST FROM CANADA, SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE CEREMONY. AND THAT WILL BE OUR FIRST SISTER CITY. SO, VERY EXCITING. IT IS VERY EXCITING. THEY JUST DIDN'T TELL ME THAT WHEN I WOULD BE GOING, I WOULD NEED A COAT AND A RAIN SLICKER BECAUSE IT'S RAINING AND FREEZING COLD THERE. BUT SUCH AS LIFE IS STILL AN EXCITING EVENT. MELISSA, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO. OKAY. I HAVE TWO ITEMS. UH, AT THE LAST MEETING I MENTIONED THAT AFTER MY, UH, MAYOR'S FORUM THAT I HAD, UH, LAST MONTH, UH, I WAS ASKED BY THE LEAGUE OF SEASON TOWNS TO MEET WITH THEM, UH, WITHIN THE WEEK AFTER, UH, WHICH THE VICE MAYOR AND I MET. AND IT WAS VERY, VERY PRODUCTIVE. AND WE WERE ASKED TO HOST FOR THE FIRST TIME A, UH, A SESSION AT THE LEAGUE CONFERENCE COMING UP IN AUGUST TO DISCUSS SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SO IT'S AN HOUR AND A HALF SESSION. IT'S, UH, WAS VERY NICE TO BE ASKED. AND OF COURSE, I WILL ANSWER THAT CALL TO DISCUSS THE IMPACTS OF, UH, CITIES, TOWNS, COUNTIES, AND TAXING DISTRICTS, UH, FROM SHORT TERM RENTALS. IT'S THE MORE WE DO, THE MORE WE'RE LEARNING THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS. SO, UH, I'M EXCITED TO DO THAT IN AUGUST. AND THEN LAST WEEK, UH, THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND I WENT DOWN, WENT TO PRESCOTT, AND WE ATTENDED A MEETING WITH ALL THE MAYORS IN THE, UH, UH, GALL PI COUNTY, UH, HOSTED BY NIKKI CHECK AND THE OTHER, UH, SUPERVISORS, WE MET WITH THEM AND MANAGERS. UH, AND THAT WAS A VERY, VERY, UH, UH, GOOD TIME AND, UH, WE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN YI COUNTY. AND THEN, UM, ALSO, UH, I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND ANOTHER MEETING JUST A DAY OR SO BEFORE ON A COMMUNICATIONS DISPATCH CENTER. AND I APPRECIATE THE CHIEF SENDING, UH, ERIN LOEFFLER [00:50:01] IN HER STEAD. IT WAS VERY, VERY PRODUCTIVE AND VERY INFORMATIVE, AND ERIN REALLY DID A GREAT JOB IN REPRESENTING THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT. I WAS REALLY PROUD OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SHE SAID, AND I APPRECIATE HER. UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU FOR RIGHT NOW. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC [6. PUBLIC FORUM] FORUM. I HAVE A FEW CARDS HERE. SO, MARLAY MALAY, CAN YOU COME UP AND SPEAK? YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. OKAY. AND YOU HAVE TO START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. HELLO, MY NAME IS MARLI MALAY, AND I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT AND ACTIVE ARTIST IN SEDONA FOR 65 YEARS. AND I, I AM HERE BECAUSE THE BACKGROUND, UM, THE SEDONA ART CENTER MURAL. I'VE BEEN, I WAS THE ONE WHO PAINTED THAT MURAL AND IT WAS DESTROYED ONE YEAR AGO NOW, AND I STILL HAVEN'T GOT ANY, UM, COMPENSATION OR RETRIBUTION FOR IT. I AM BEFORE YOU TO VOICE MY SONG, STRONG OPPOSITION AND ANGER ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF MY MURALS ON THE SEDONA CITY ART CENTER. UM, AS THE CREATOR, I HOLD IT DEEP AND PERSONAL DAMN CONNECTION TO EACH PIECE OF THESE ARTS THINGS THAT I PRODUCE. AND, UM, THIS, THESE MURALS WERE, UM, FOUR SEVEN FOOT BY SIX FOOT BY 10 FOOT MURALS. SO IT WAS A WHOLE FRONT OF THE SEDONA ART CENTER, AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR OVER 25 YEARS. AND THEY REP, THEY REPRESENT SEVERAL MONTHS OF IN MY STUDIO OF PAINTING AND, UM, HONORING THE LEGACY OF THE SEDONA ART CENTER. BUT I FEEL LIKE THEONA ARTS CENTER'S KINDA LET ME DOWN. THE UNCONSCIONABLE ACT OF DESTROYING FINE ART, A DIRECT BREACH OF MY COPYRIGHT AND MORAL RIGHTS ERASES MORE THAN JUST PHYSICAL OBJECTS. IT DIMINISHES THE EXPRESSION AND, AND THE, UM, INSPIRES AND THE, SADLY, IT IMPACTS MY LEGACY TOO. A CONCERN. SEDONA RESIDENT NOTED THAT THE WEBSITE TO THE SEDONA ARTS CENTER TOUTS RESPECT AS ONE OF ITS CORE VALUES. I WISH IT WERE ANOTHER PASSIONATE AND ART, ART CONNOISSEUR. POST A FACEBOOK LINKED TO THE MURAL, DRAWING, DRAWING NUMEROUS PAGES OF, OF POSTS FROM LOCAL PEOPLE WHO WERE VERY UPSET ABOUT THE MURALS WERE THE FORERUNNERS TO THE PUBLIC ART INSTALLATION IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, LAUNCHING THE CITY'S CONTINUING ART IN PUBLIC PLACES, PROGRAM, AND IN SHAPING THE IDENTITY OF A CITY KNOWN FOR ITS VIBRANT ART, COMMUNITY ART IN ALL FORMS HAS THE POWER TO INSPIRE. AND I'M THRILLED TO SEE THE ADDITION OF SCULPTURES AT THE ROUNDABOUTS. LET'S PRAY. THEY WILL NOT BE DESTROYED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, MICHAEL REDHAWK YOU UP NEXT. LINDA SCOTT WILL BE UP AFTER, AFTER LINDA. DON'T BE SO QUICK TO JESUS. MICHAEL, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO START WITH YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. AND, UH, MY NAME IS, UM, MICHAEL REDHAWK. UM, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF PONA FOR 40, 45 YEARS, 46 YEARS. UM, I MARRIED TO THIS LOVELY LADY WHO, UM, CREATED THOSE, UH, FABULOUS MURALS THAT, UH, GRACED THE, FROM THE, THE ART CENTER FOR MANY YEARS. UM, I, I MIGHT, UM, ADD THAT THESE, THESE MURALS LAUNCHED OFF THE, UH, ART AND PUBLIC PLACES PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. UM, WE, UH, WE ARE ACTIVE ARTISTS, BOTH, BOTH OF US, AND WE, UH, WE INVO WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE SEDONA ART CENTER SINCE WE ARRIVED, AND WE'VE BEEN ON SHOWS HANGING EX EXHIBITS, SERVING AS JUROR JURORS, JUDGES AND TEACHERS. CURRENTLY, WE CREATE ARTWORK THAT IS REPRESENTED BY THE GALLERY OF MODERN MASTERS IN SEDONA AND CANYON ROAD CONTEMPORARY GALLERY IN SANTA FE, WHERE WE ARE CONSISTENTLY AMONG THE TOP SELLERS. FOR EIGHT YEARS, WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE BACK TO THIS COMMUNITY AS VOLUNTEER ART TEACHER, ART TEACHERS OF, TO DE DEVELOPMENTALLY CHA CHALLENGED ADULTS AT RAINBOW ACRES IN THE VER VERDE VALLEY. I USED TO DRIVE TOURS FOR A LOCAL BUSINESS, AND EVERY TIME I DROVE PAST THESE MURALS ON 89 A I WOULD POINT OUT MY WIFE'S WORK. A TOURIST RESPONDED WITH ADMIRATION AND ENTHUSIASM AS THESE MURALS SPOKE VOLUMES ABOUT OUR LOCAL ART COMMUNITY, AND REINFORCED THE FEELING OF SEDONAS VISION AS AN ART DESTINATION. SADLY, THESE MURALS ARE NO LONGER THERE, DESTROYED BY THE VERY ORGANIZATION THAT THEY REPRESENTED MARLIS. AND I BELIEVE THE VALUE OF A HEALTHY LOCAL ART [00:55:01] CENTER SAC HAD ALWAYS BEEN A LIVELY PART OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. RECENTLY, HOWEVER, THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS OF ARTISTS BEING DISRESPECTED AND ANNUAL SHOWS BY PROFESSIONAL WATERCOLOR AND PASTEL SOCIETIES CANCELED AS A RESULT. THE SENDER, WHICH NO LONGER STANDS BY ITS CODE OF ETHICS, HAS LOST THE TRUST OF ARTISTS AND ORGANIZATIONS, UM, AND THE CONFIDENCE WE NEED. UH, OKAY, WE, WE NEED TO, UM, TO HAVE, UM, THE RESOLUTION BE MADE, UH, TO MARLIS BY THE SEDONA ART CENTER. UH, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M QUESTIONING ACTUALLY IS YOUR FUNDING AN ART CENTER THAT DOES NOT SUPPORT THE ARTS IN SEDONA. AND THAT'S, UH, MADE VERY, VERY PUBLIC BY THEIR DESTRUCTION OF THESE MURALS. UM, JUST FINISH YOUR COMMENT, JUST OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. MICHAEL. LINDA WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ALICE MERA. I CAN'T MM-HMM . RIGHT? MERA. OKAY. MY NAME IS LINDA SCOTT. WE LIVE IN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK, BUT WE SHOP AND DINE IN WEST SEDONA OFTEN I HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND THE STRUGGLE THAT LOCAL BUSINESSES HAVE IN HIRING AND KEEPING STAFF, USUALLY DUE TO THE COST OF HOUSING. HOUSING IS A REGIONAL ISSUE THAT IMPACTS ALL OF US IN SEDONA AND THE VERDE VALLEY. FRIENDS ON THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE MADE ME AWARE OF THE MASTER PLANNING EFFORT THAT IS UNDERWAY FOR THE CULTURAL PARK AREA. I THINK IT IS CRITICAL THAT THE PLANNING EFFORT INCLUDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS. THIS WILL BENEFIT THE ENTIRE REGION. I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO ENSURE THAT HOUSING IS PART OF THAT PLAN, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND RENTALS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TO HEAR THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. LINDA ALICE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, ANN EMERSON. ALICE MADAR. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF SEDONA FOR 32 YEARS. I AM HERE ABOUT SOMETHING HAPPY. I'M HERE TO INVITE EVERYONE TO THE SEDONA HUMMINGBIRD FESTIVAL. JULY 25TH TO 27TH. IT'S FREE ENTRY INTO OUR MARKETPLACE, THE PLANT SALE. WE'RE HAVING A HUMMINGBIRD PLANT SALE ON SATURDAY MORNING AT 9:00 AM AND KIDS' DAY ACTIVITIES ON SATURDAY FROM 10 TO TWO. AND THERE'S HUMMINGBIRD FEEDERS THERE FOR EVERYBODY TO ENJOY WATCHING THE HUMMINGBIRDS. UH, THERE IS, IF YOU GO ONLINE, YOU CAN FIND OUT ABOUT OTHER TICKETED ITEMS LIKE GARDEN TOURS AND BANDINGS. WE ARE LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING, YOU CAN EMAIL US AT INFO@HUMMINGBIRDSOCIETY.ORG. THIS YEAR, OUR FESTIVAL, HUMMINGBIRD IS THE ANNA'S HUMMINGBIRD AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO RECOGNITION OF THAT, AND WE HOPE THIS WILL BECOME THE SEDONA CITY BIRD IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ALICE. OKAY, ANN EMERSON WILL BE OUR LAST, UH, SPEAKER. ANN, UH, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. OKAY, I'LL TRY AND KEEP IT. . I, ANN EMERSON, SEDONA, ARIZONA, 40 YEARS RESIDENT HERE. AND I AM SPEAKING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO BE SPEAKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WELL IN SEDONA AND THE POTENTIAL FOR BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT THE WESTERN GATE. AND I KNOW THERE'S, I, I KNOW IT'S A MAJORITY OF POPULATION HERE THAT IS VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN HAVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A DIVERSITY OF POPULATION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE YOUNG FAMILIES LIVE, AFFORD TO LIVE HERE SO THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO OUR, OUR SERVICE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO LIVE HERE, INCLUDING OUR TEACHERS, OUR, OUR OUR SERVICE PEOPLE, POLICE AND FIRE. AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE, I KNOW IT'S IN THE CITY PLAN. WE VOTED FOR A PARTICULAR USE OF THAT LAND. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO STOP THAT. AND I WANNA BE A VOICE HERE FOR THE PEOPLE OF SEDONA THAT SAY, NO, WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE REALLY NEED TO KEEP THIS PLACE ALIVE AND VIABLE, OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA AGE OUT AND WHO'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF US THAT THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. SO I WANNA SEE THE DIVERSITY [01:00:01] THAT I SEE AT THE SEDONA, UM, COMMUNITY LIBRARY REFLECTED IN OUR POPULATION. BECAUSE WHEN I MOVED HERE, IT WAS A MIDDLE CLASS, WORKING CLASS TOWN AND EVERYBODY COULD AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. SO I'M GONNA COME OFTEN AND YOU'LL HEAR FROM ME OFTEN ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANN. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM AND [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS (Part 2 of 2)] WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO AN ITEM I MISSED ON ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS THE EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT. THAT'S FIVE A. THAT WAS UNDER THE SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS. COUNCILOR KINSELLA, CAN YOU, UH, I THINK, I THINK THE ATTORNEY. OH, I'M SORRY. YES. UH, THANK YOU. UH, I'LL, THIS IS A, UH, A QUICK, UM, EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT WE HELD, UH, EARLIER TODAY. THE FIRST ITEM IS THE COUNCIL ACCEPTED THE RESIGNATION OF PRESIDING, UH, MAGISTRATE JUDGE SCHLAGEL. HIS LAST DAY WILL BE JULY 17TH, 2025. AND THE SECOND ITEM IS COUNSEL WILL BE MEETING ON JULY 8TH IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH ELIGIBLE CANDIDATES TO BE, UM, INTERIM PRESIDING MAGISTRATE UNTIL THE POSITION CAN BE FILLED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I, YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. I'M SO USED TO ASKING FOR THE, FOR MOTIONS. OKAY. SO THANK YOU MONIQUE. I APPRECIATE THAT. [7.a. Recognition of Lew Hoyt.] ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE HAVE, UH, PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS. ITEM SEVEN, WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE LOU HOYT. SO LOU, CAN I ASK YOU TO COME UP? YOU GET TO COME ALL THE WAY UP. I AM GOING. TOM, YOU WANNA COME UP ALSO? OF COURSE. LOU DONE SUCH GREAT WORK FOR OUR SCHOOLS. JUST COME UP. HOW ABOUT NANCY? I'M SORRY. NANCY, CAN YOU COME UP ALSO? YOU'RE WELCOME. GOOD CALL NOW WE'RE ON. NANCY, CAN YOU COME UP? GREAT SUGGESTION. HOLLY . OKAY. SO THE CITY COUNCIL RECOGNIZES LOU HOYT. THIS, UH, SEDONA COMMUNITY HAS BEEN FORTUNATE TO HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHOSE GENEROSITY AND DEDICATION HAVE SHAPED THE LIVES OF MANY. AMONG THEM, LOU HOYT STANDS OUT AS A DREW PILLAR OF SUPPORT USING HIS INFLUENCE AND RESOURCES TO MAKE A LASTING IMPACT ON EDUCATION AND ATHLETICS. THROUGH THE SEDONA OAK CREEK EDUCATION FOUNDATION, LOU PLAYED A CRUCIAL ROLE IN SECURING AND DISTRIBUTING OVER $130,000 IN SCHOLARSHIP FUNDS FOR LOCAL STUDENTS. THANKS TO THE GENEROSITY OF HIS FRIEND FOSTER PRICE, LOU DIRECTED 125,000 IN DONATIONS, ALONG WITH CONTRIBUTIONS FROM OTHER FRIENDS AND HIS OWN PERSONAL GIVING. THESE FUNDS WERE DISPERSED TO THE ARIZONA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION AND THE SEDONA OAK CREEK SCHOOL DISTRICT SCHOLARSHIP FUND DIRECTLY BENEFITING GRADUATES AND OPENING DOORS FOR BRIGHTER FUTURES. WELL, THAT DIDN'T HOLD TOGETHER TOO WELL. BEYOND HIS PHILANTHROPIC EFFORTS, LOU'S PERSONAL ACHIEVEMENTS ON NOTHING SHORT OF EXTRAORDINARY. AS AN OLYMPIC HIGH JUMPER AND NATIONAL CHAMPION AT SOUTHERN CAL, HE DEMONSTRATED EXCELLENCE ON THE TRACK LATER AS A TOP GUN PILOT WITH CALL SIGN, JUMPER LOU EXEMPLIFIED SKILL AND COURAGE IN THE SKIES. THE BEST, THE BEST. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU, IKE. DESPITE SUCH REMARKABLE ACCOMPLISHMENTS, LOU HAS REMAINED DEDICATED TO MENTORING YOUNG ATHLETES, CURRENTLY VOLUNTEERING AS A, AS A TRACK COACH AT THE RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL, WHERE HE CONTINUES TO INSPIRE THE, THE NEXT GENERATION LOU'S CONTRIBUTIONS TO SEDONA EXTEND BEYOND FINANCIAL GENEROSITY. HE'S A ROLE MODEL, A MENTOR, AND A TRUE COMMUNITY CHAMPION. HIS UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO EDUCATION AND ATHLETICS HAS LEFT A LASTING LEGACY. AND FOR THAT, WE ARE DEEPLY GRATEFUL AND PROUD. [01:05:24] SO DON'T GO AWAY. SO LET ME READ THE INSCRIPTION. LOU HOYT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR GENEROUS PHIL PHILANTHROPIC SUPPORT AND THE INVALUABLE MENTORSHIP YOU PROVIDED TO THE CHILDREN OF OUR CITY. YOU ARE A TRUE ROLE MODEL TO MANY JUNE 24TH, 2025, THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL. I WANT TOM TO SAY A FEW WORDS. OH, YOU DO? I DO. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW I'D BE SPEAKING, BUT IF, IF I'M GONNA BE SPEAKING ON ANYTHING, I'D LOVE TO BE SPEAKING, UH, ABOUT LOU. SO, UM, I'M OF THE, OF THE BELIEF, AS I'M SURE ARE MANY OF YOU, THAT WE ARE AT OUR MOST HEALTHY AND PRODUCTIVE WHEN WE NOT ONLY POUR INTO OTHERS, BUT WE FIND MENTORS AROUND US WHO ARE WILLING TO POUR INTO US. AND ON A VERY PERSONAL LEVEL, FOR ME, UM, LOU FROM I, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS. I MEET WITH LOU ON A WEEKLY BASIS, STOPS INTO MY OFFICE WHETHER MY DOOR IS CLOSED OR OPEN, STOPS INTO MY OFFICE. AND WE TALK ABOUT LIFE. WE TALK ABOUT LEADERSHIP, WE TALK ABOUT OUR KIDS. AND I'M ABOUT ONE PERSON THAT LOVE AND THAT CARE THAT LOU EXUDES IS NOT ISOLATED TO ME OR TO OUR MAYOR. IT'S TO EVERYONE HE ENCOUNTERS. HE WALKS OUR HALLWAYS AND OUR LUNCHROOM. I HAVE TWO DAUGHTERS THAT GO TO SCHOOL THERE. HE SITS WITH THEM, ASKS THEM, LOOKS THEM IN THE EYE, AND SHARES THE WISDOM THAT HE HAS. HE'S NOT ONLY MADE MY LIFE BETTER, BUT HUNDREDS OF CHILDREN OVER THE YEARS. AND YOU MAY NEVER KNOW THE TRUE IMPACT THAT YOU'VE HAD. SO, THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS? I HOPE SO. I ALWAYS WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS. . YEAH. SO, YEAH, WHEN THE MAYOR TOLD ME THAT HE WANTED TO HONOR ME, I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T WANT MORE LIFE FOR MYSELF. I FEEL SO PRIVILEGED TO BE LIVING HERE IN AUAN. IF ANYTHING, I WANT TO BRING LORD TO OUR LORD AND SAVIOR OF JESUS CHRIST. AND RABBI AND I, I LOVE ISRAEL. I'VE BEEN THERE FIVE TIMES TO FLY WITH THEM AND TRAIN WITH ISRAELIS, HAVE ISRAEL. SO, UH, SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM SAID, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE FIRST AND FOREMOST MY WIFE NANCY. I KNOW THERE ARE REWARDS. I KNOW THERE ARE REWARDS WAITING FOR HER IN HEAVEN, FOR PUTTING UP WITH ME FOR ALL THOSE YEARS, . UM, SO, AND TO THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL, ALL THAT YOU DO, YOU DO NOT GET ENOUGH ACCOLADES FOR WHAT YOU DO. SO I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU IN THE ENDLESS HOURS OF TIME THAT YOU PUT IN, AND THE PATIENCE YOU HAVE AND THE WISDOM YOU HAVE IN WHAT TO DO. SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT TO DO. AND, UM, UM, SO TOM ER, WHO WAS A SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT, WE ARE SO PRI TO HAVE TOM AT THE SCHOOL AND SO PRIVY TO HAVE HEATHER ISO AS A PRINCIPAL. AND THEY'RE THE BEST OF THE BEST. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ARE SO FORTUNATE TO HIT THEM IN THE SEDONA AND J WEBER. I SEE HIM AND THE MAP. HE DOES SO MUCH FOR THE VILLAGE AND ALL HIS, HE'S RAISED TWO OF HIS GRANDKID AND THEY GONE ON TO BECOME SUPERSTARS. AND, UM, PATRICK'S WIFE, I SEE HIM, THEM, HE DOES MORE FOR THIS COMMUNITY WITH THAT FILM FESTIVAL BY BRINGING PEOPLE IN TO ENJOY THE FILMS. AND THE SAY HAS MORE ENERGY THAN ENERGIZER BATTERY. HE GOES UP THERE, HE NEVER FORGETS HER NAME, HE BOUNCES AROUND. HE DOES EVERYTHING. AND SO WE WERE SO FORTUNATE TO HAVE HIM IN THE FILM [01:10:01] FESTIVAL IN SEDONA. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THEM. AND, UM, MIKE AND CASSIE STEVENSON, I SEE THEM IN THE BATH AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND I'VE KNOWN THE PRIVILEGE WITH MIKE. HE IS NOT JUST A TIFF OF DEVELOPER. SHE CARES ABOUT SEDONA. SHE WANTS THE VERY BEST FOR SEDONA AND HIS, HIS SON AND TWO DAUGHTERS. AND I WAS ALSO PREVIOUS TO BE ABLE TO COACH HIS GRANDCHILDREN AT THE HIGH SCHOOL IN THEIR SPORTS WITH COACH SCHNEIDER. AND THEY ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST OF WISH. WE HAD MORE PEOPLE LIKE THEM AROUND. AND, AND THEN THE SHERRY REEB AND RANDALL AND SHERRY, THEY'VE DONE SO MUCH HERE AND SELF-MADE, BUT HE IS, AND HE GIVES BACK. AND HE IS, I'M PRIVILEGED TO KNOW HIM. HE'S THE BEST OF THE BEST. SO ANYWAY, FROM, I KNOW EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM LOVES SEDONA. THERE'S NOT A SINGLE PERSON IN SEDONA THAT DOES IN THIS ROOM THAT DOES NOT LOVE SEDONA. AND, UM, I'VE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO BE ABLE TO, DURING THE LAST YEAR OR SO, HAVE FIVE OR SIX SESSIONS WITH THE MAYOR, WHERE WE SIT AROUND FOR AN HOUR CUP OF COFFEE AND TALK ABOUT ALL KINDS OF ISSUES. AND I GET INSIGHT FROM HIM AND HE ASKED ME FOR DIFFERENT INSIGHTS. AND TO THE YOUNG MAN IN THE FRONT WHO SAYS WE SPEND RECKLESSLY, OUR CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT SPEND MUCH, MUCH OF THE MONEY THAT WE SPEND COMES FROM TOURISTS, NOT JUST US. SO THEY ARE GOOD CUSTODIANS FOR WHAT THEY DO. SO WE ARE SO FORTUNATE TO HAVE THEM. AND THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM THAT EVERYBODY IN HERE LOVES SEDONA. SO ANYWAY, WITH THAT, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. I KNOW THIS MEETING'S NOT ON A LOT LOWER THAN ANY OF YOU ANTICIPATING, BUT, UM, I GUESS THEY ALL DO . BUT, UM, I'VE HAD SESSIONS WITH THE MAYOR, I'VE BEEN INSIGHT FROM HIM AND TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT ISSUES. AND AS I SAID, THANK YOU TO ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR TO DO, WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE GREAT CITY THAT, UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO. SO THANK YOU. 4, 5, 6. GOT ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. WHERE'S THE BOX I GAVE IT TO? OH, TO NANCY. OKAY, NANCY. JUST MY WORDS. I WOULD PRAY FOR THIS. I WAS PRAISED FOR THIS. THANK YOU. NANCY HAS ALSO, BY THE WAY, WHENEVER I SEE A POLICE OFFICER, A POLICE OFFICER OR A FIREMAN, I HOSE UP AND SHAKE THEIR HAND AND SAY, THANK YOU FOR WHAT TO DO. YOU DO NOT GET ENOUGH. THANK YOU FOR WHAT TO DO. AND THEY SAY, THEY WOULD SAY, THANK YOU. NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE SAY THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. WHENEVER YOU SEE A POLICE OFFICER OR A FIVE TIMES, SAY THANK YOU FOR, OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA GO TO, UH, [8.a. AB 3230 Discussion/possible action to approve the Arts & Culture Organizations Grants program effective in FY26. (Part 1 of 2)] REGULAR BUSINESS. THIS'LL TAKE THE GLASSES. OKAY. ITEM EIGHT, REGULAR BUSINESS EIGHT. A AB 32 30 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATION'S GRANT PROGRAM. EFFECTIVE FY 2026. MAYOR, IF I MAY, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK THE PEOPLE TO CALL. SURE, RIGHT. AS YOU'RE EXITING, IF YOU COULD JUST TRY TO KEEP DISCUSSION DOWN IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE, [01:15:01] PETE. THANK [9. EXECUTIVE SESSION] YOU MAYOR. UH, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO, FOR LEGAL ADVICE ON THIS MATTER. OKAY. IS THERE ANY SECOND FOR THAT? SECOND. OKAY. GO ON. EXECUTIVE SESSION. ALRIGHT. WE DIDN'T CATCH YOU HAVE A QUORUM IF WE HAVE. I KNOW. ALRIGHT, SO ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. SAY AYE. AYE. OKAY. WE HAVE A QUALM ON THAT FIVE. YES. YES, ABSOLUTELY. MONIQUE, YOU, YOU'RE GOOD? YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. OKAY. [8.a. AB 3230 Discussion/possible action to approve the Arts & Culture Organizations Grants program effective in FY26. (Part 2 of 2)] WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR COUNCIL. ANNETTE ICKER, CITY MANAGER. AND TO MY RIGHT, I HAVE OUR SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM CHAIR STEPHANIE GROCK TONIGHT. UM, WE'RE HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATION'S GRANT PROGRAM. THIS IS A PROPOSED NEW GRANT PROGRAM. AND COUNCIL MAY RECALL THAT YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THIS AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT MEETINGS IN THE PAST YEAR. UM, IT ALSO CAME UP IN YOUR COUNCIL PRIORITY SETTING SESSION. UM, IN THE BUDGET THAT YOU JUST ADOPTED EARLIER TODAY, THERE IS A $200,000 ALLOCATION FOR THIS NEW PROGRAM. UM, IN YOUR PACKET IS A DRAFT OF, UM, THE PROGRAM STRUCTURE. UM, THE KEY FEATURES THAT ARE IN THE DRAFT, WHICH STAFF IS HERE TONIGHT, ASKING FOR YOUR FEEDBACK ON, UM, THIS ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA AND THE STRUCTURE OF THE PROGRAM AND ANY CHANGES YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE. BUT IN THE DRAFT, THE KEY FEATURES ARE THAT THE ELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS ARE SEDONA BASED. NONPROFITS THAT HAVE AN OPERATING, UM, INCOME OF $500,000 OR MORE, HAVE ARTS AS THEIR MISSION AND CAN DEMONSTRATE THEY PROVIDE SERVICES THAT GENERATE ECONOMIC INCOME TO THE CITY FROM VISITORS TO THE CITY. UM, ONE OF THE KEY FEATURES IS THAT RECIPIENTS OF THIS PROGRAM WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR ANY OTHER GRANTS FROM THE CITY. UM, AND SPECIFICALLY THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM, WHICH IS OUR ONLY OTHER GRANT PROGRAM IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW. UM, AND THEY WILL HAVE TO SIGN A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY IDENTIFYING THE, UM, PUBLIC BENEFIT. AND, UM, I SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED DIRECT BENEFIT TO THE CITY AS WELL AS THE OUTCOMES THEY'LL PRODUCE IN EXCHANGE FOR THE GRANT AWARD. UM, STEPHANIE'S HERE TONIGHT TO HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS. GIVEN HER YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AS OUR ESTEEM CHAIRPERSON OF THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM. SHE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH MANY OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT, UM, RECEIVE SUPPORT FROM THE CITY NOW AND HOW THAT VETTING PROCESS WORKS. AND, UM, SHE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO SPEND TIME WITH ME TO COME UP WITH THIS, UM, DRAFT PROPOSAL FOR YOUR REVIEW TONIGHT BASED ON HER EXPERIENCE WITH THE OTHER PROGRAM. UM, SINCE THIS IS, WOULD BE THE FIRST YEAR OF THE PROGRAM, WE WOULD, UM, IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES IT AND SETS THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA, WE WOULD, UM, UM, ADVERTISE FOR APPLICATIONS FOR IT AND WE WOULD RECONVENE. UM, THE CURRENT, THE PROPOSAL IS TO USE THE CURRENT SMALL GRANTS EVALUATION COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT ANY APPLICATIONS THAT WOULD COME IN UNDER THIS PROGRAM, UM, AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR YOUR APPROVAL. UM, THE TIMELINE MIGHT PUT IN THE AGENDA BILL, IF EVERYTHING WENT SWIMMINGLY WOULD BE AT THE END OF AUGUST, YOU WOULD SEE THAT. UM, BUT IT MAY BE SEPTEMBER. UM, IN THE FUTURE, THE PROGRAM WOULD BE ALIGNED ON THE SAME TIMELINES AS THE SMALL GRANT PROGRAM, UM, TO HAVE ALL OF THAT HAPPEN, UM, AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH IS IN THE SPRING EACH YEAR. UM, SO WITH THAT, I THINK I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED EVERYTHING, UM, ABOUT THE PROPOSAL. AND WE'RE HERE TO HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS AND, UM, YOUR DIALOGUE ABOUT, UH, THE PROGRAM AND WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN IT. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE DAYS, MELISSA? SO WE CALL THIS THE LARGE ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATIONS, WHATEVER. AND, UM, WHEN I LOOK THROUGH THE GENERAL INFORMATION, THE WORD CULTURE IS NOT IN MOST OF THESE SENTENCES. IS THAT INTENTIONAL? UM, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. COUNSELOR DUNN. UM, THE, UH, ORIGINAL REQUEST THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL, UM, [01:20:02] WAS FROM ARTS ORGANIZATIONS. UM, WE'RE TOTALLY HAPPY TO DO, DO ARTS AND CULTURE, WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO DEFINE IT AS, BUT THE GENESIS OF THE, UM, REQUEST ORIGINATED FROM THE PUBLIC IN TERMS OF ARTS PROGRAMMING. BUT WE DO HAVE OTHER CULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS AND OTHER CULTURAL ASPECTS TO OUR COMMUNITY, CORRECT? MM-HMM . SPIRITUAL, UM, OUTDOOR, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T PRECLUDE ANYBODY ELSE. AND WE CALL IT LARGE ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATIONS. AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR ALL OF OUR LANGUAGE TO BE ALIGNED AND NOT JUST TALK ABOUT ARTS. UM, AND THAT EVEN GOES DOWN TO THE QUESTIONS. DOES YOUR ORGANIZATION HAVE ARTS AS ITS MISSION? SO IT, IT FEELS LIKE WE STARTED OUT BEING MORE INCLUSIVE AND SOMEHOW WE'VE BECOME LESS INCLUSIVE IN OUR LANGUAGE HERE. SO MM-HMM . I I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS JUST AN, AN ERROR IN PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER. AND THE SPEED AT WHICH YOU HAD TO DO AS OPPOSED TO THIS WAS A CONSCIOUS DECISION SOMEWHERE. NOT TO MY, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. IT WAS NOT CONSCIOUS. SO, UM, UNDER THE BULLET NUMBER THREE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PACKAGE PAGE NUMBER THAT IS, BUT, UH, THAT TALKS ABOUT THE ELIGIBILITY. UM, IT SAYS PRIMARY MISSION MUST BE ARTS IN THE SECOND SUB-BULLET. UM, WE COULD CERTAINLY REVISE THAT TO BE PRIMARY MISSION, UM, MUST BE THE ARTS AND CULTURE AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE COUNCIL WANTS THIS TO BE DESIGNATED FOR YOU. THANK YOU. UM, MELISSA, CAN I ASK YOU A FOLLOW UP TO THAT? SURE. UM, WOULD THAT INCLUDE, WOULD CULTURE INCLUDE FESTIVALS? WELL, I THINK IF A FESTIVAL ALIGNS TO THE CULTURAL ASPECTS OF OUR COMMUNITY, THEN THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES. IF IT'S ABOUT WE, WE HAVE AN OUTDOOR CULTURE HERE. WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT HONORS THE, THE RED ROCKS AND BEING IN THE RED ROCKS. WE HAVE A SPIRITUAL CULTURE HERE. AND SO I JUST DON'T WANT THOSE TO BE IGNORED IN THE LIGHTS OF ONLY THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE, THE VISUAL OR THE PERFORMING ARTS. RIGHT? THERE'S ALL THESE OTHERS. I, I AGREE. SO I'M ASKING IF THE WORD, IF THE WORD CULTURE, YOU ADDING THAT IN WHICH I SUPPORT, UM, OR MAKING SURE IT GETS PUT BACK IN IF FESTIVALS IS ANOTHER WORD THAT MAYBE NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT OF. BECAUSE AS YOU, AS YOU'RE RIGHT, WE HAVE AN OUTDOOR CULTURE. SOME, WE HAVE SOME FESTIVALS THAT, THAT CELEBRATE OUR OUTDOOR CULTURE. UM, SO I JUST, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF THEM MIGHT EVEN BE ELIGIBLE. BUT AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT THIS NOT JUST FOR THE MOMENT, I'M LOOKING AT THIS FOR WHAT THINGS MIGHT GROW INTO, SO SHOULD WE, SHOULD THE WORDING BE INCLUSIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULDN'T BE PRECLUDED? SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED DEFINITIONS. UH, THAT'S EXACTLY, YEAH. WHERE I WAS HEADED. YEAH. I'M SURE WE CAN CERTAINLY DRAFT THOSE. I'D ALSO POINT OUT THAT ONE OF THE BULLETS, AGAIN, UNDER THAT SECTION THREE, IT'S THE LAST ONE, UM, SAYS, PROVIDES YOUR ROUND PROGRAMMING AND I'M NOT, AND AGAIN, UM, WITH THE THOUGHT THAT THIS IS LIKE A RE UH, ACTIVE ORGANIZATION THAT, UM, IS PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY REGULARLY AND NOT A ONE TIME THING. SO THAT'S ANOTHER POINT YOU SHOULD DISCUSS AMONGST YOURSELVES, UH, ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE IF THEY'RE DOING ONE FESTIVAL A YEAR, I'M NOT SURE WITH THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT IT WOULD QUALIFY, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S YEAR ROUND PROGRAMMING, IF IT'S A ONE TIME A YEAR EVENT. UM, SO DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT ASPECT AS WELL. CAN I HAVE A QUESTION TO THAT? SURE. OR MELISSA, WERE YOU DONE OR, WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK A QUESTION ON THAT, SO, OKAY, SO MELISSA FINISHED THEN. YEP. SO PROVIDING YEAR-ROUND PROGRAMMING, YOU SAID PROVIDING YOUR OWN PROGRAMMING AND YOU IMPLIED RESIDENCE FOR THE COMMUNITY, IT'S PROVIDING YEAR-ROUND PROGRAMMING IS SUPPOSED TO, ONE OF THEM IS ATTRACT OUT OF TOWN VISITORS HOLDING THOSE EVENTS. SO IS THE PROGRAMMING SUPPOSED TO BE FOR RESIDENTS? FOR RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS, UH, OR VISITORS OR FOR JUST TOURISTS? I THINK IT'S ALL ANY OF THOSE. IT, I THINK THE INTENT OF THAT, UH, BULLET WAS TO IDENTIFY, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF GOING CONCERNS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT THAT THESE ARE, UH, ENTITIES THAT ARE OPERATING YEAR-ROUND, FULL-TIME OR PART-TIME, I GUESS IT COULD BE. BUT THEY ARE, HAVE THEIR DOORS OPEN YEAR ROUND. [01:25:01] YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S AN ACTIVE ORGANIZATION. I DON'T, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT DESCRIPTION A LITTLE BIT? UM, IN TURN, INSTEAD OF, UM, A GROUP COMING TO YOU THAT IS ONLY SET UP TO, YOU KNOW, HOLD ONE EVENT AND THEN THEY'RE GONE TYPE OF THING, BUT THEY'RE LIKE AN ESTABLISHED ENTITY IN THE CITY ALREADY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE THAT THEY'RE DOING IT YEAR ROUND? THERE? I, THERE AGAIN IS, IT'S WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS PARTICULAR SEPARATING THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM IF, UH, SOMEONE WAS JUST TO COME IN A ONE TIME, LIKE THERE USED TO BE, UM, UH, HE DID NOT APPLY THIS YEAR, BUT FOR SEVERAL YEARS HE COMES UP FROM PHOENIX AND IT WAS, UM, THE RED ROCK MUSIC FESTIVAL. AND HE WOULD COME ONCE, ONCE A YEAR, HOLD FOUR, FOUR TO SIX CONCERTS AND THEN LEAVE. UH, BUT WE, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ISOLATED, BUT THAT WOULD BE AN ARTS PERSON. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HIS BUDGET WAS ANYWHERE NEAR THE $500,000. SO I DON'T, UNDER THIS PROGRAM, HE WOULDN'T QUALIFY. BUT THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF, UM, UH, SOMEONE WHO COMES, DELIVERS A BENEFIT TO THE CITY AND THEN LEAVES, UH, THERE IS ALSO, UH, THE SEDONA CHAMBER BALLET, SHE'S HERE YEAR ROUND, BUT SHE MAY ONLY PUT ON ONE MAJOR, MAJOR CONCERT, BUT SHE DOES, SHE'S HERE THE WHOLE TIME. BUT SHE DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE OPEN DOORS TO WHERE IT'S AN ORGANIZATION WHERE YOU COME AND GO, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU COULD, SUCH AS THE OR THE ARTS, UH, UH, SAC WHERE THEY'VE GOT, THEY'VE GOT BRICKS AND MORTAR AND UM, THEIR DOORS ARE OPENING AROUND. THEY DO OFFER YEAR ROUND PROGRAMMING, AND THEY'RE JUST A CONSISTENT, CONSISTENT PRESENCE AND A CONSISTENT DELIVERY OF PROGRAMS. SO IF WE WANT, IF YOU WANNA MAKE THAT DISTINCTION, YOU KNOW, CARVE THEM CAR, CARVE THAT ASPECT OUT. THERE'S ALSO, UM, THE OTHER ARTS ORGANIZATIONS WHICH COME ARE COMING UP OR AT THE TOP OF THAT REALM ARE ALSO THE, UM, UH, CHAMBER MUSIC, UH, THERE'S THE SYMPHONY AND THE BALLET. I SEE THOSE RIGHT UNDERNEATH, YOU KNOW, SAC AND SIF AS FAR AS IF THEY WERE TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS PROGRAM. AND AGAIN, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHETHER OR NOT THEIR BUDGETS ARE UP IN THAT CATEGORY OR NOT, BUT IF THEY GO INTO THAT, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, UM, THEY DO OFFER YEAR ROUND PROGRAMMING, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE BRICKS AND MORTAR AND OFFER OTHER TYPES OF PROGRAMMING OTHER THAN THEIR SPECIFIC CONCERTS OR PERFORMANCES. WELL, I THINK SOME OF THESE ARE JUST TRICKY HOLDS EVENTS THAT ATTRACT OUT OF TOWN VISITORS AS A REQUIREMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF THE SYMPHONY ATTRACTS OUT OF TOWN VISITORS. I DON'T ASK THEM WHETHER OR NOT THEIR TICKET HOLDERS ARE OUT OF TOWN, OR, I MEAN, WE DO. WE DO. WE HAVE VERY SPECIFIC, UM, BECAUSE INITIALLY WHEN THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM STARTED 13 YEARS AGO, ONE OF THE MATRIX ITEMS THAT WE SCORE ON WOULD, WAS AN ECONOMIC DRIVER PROVIDED ECONOMIC DRIVER TO THE CITY. AND THAT WAS A MAJOR PART OF OUR SCORING IS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF BUSINESS DID IT ACTUALLY BRING INTO THE CITY? THEN ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN TOURISM BECAME OVERWHELMING TO SOME OF THE, THAT WAS TAKEN OUT AND THEN IT WAS NO LONGER A FOCUS, THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM THEN BEGAN TO FOCUS ON THE QUALITY. WHAT QUALITY OF LIFE DID THAT NONPROFIT BRING THAT ACTIVITY FOR, THAT NONPROFIT, THAT PROGRAM BRING TO THE RESIDENTS? SO, AND IT BECAME FROM THE DIAZ ALMOST. I MEAN, UH, WE ANSWER THAT QUESTION RIGHT UP FRONT. HOW DO YOUR METRICS HAVE GOT TO SHOW US WHICH PEOPLE ATTEND YOUR ACTIVITY THAT ARE FROM SEDONA? AND THERE ARE MANY UNIQUE WAYS THAT THESE ORGANIZATIONS, AND WE'VE HELPED THEM WITH SOME OF IT, COME UP WITH WAYS TO IDENTIFY WHETHER OR NOT THE RESIDENT, THERE'S THE PERSON'S A RESIDENT OR THEY'RE FROM OUT OF TOWN. UH, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE, UM, SOME OF THE FESTIVALS, THEY, WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY ASK THEM, WELL, S IS EASY AND SACK'S PRETTY EASY BECAUSE THEY SELL TICKETS AND, UM, THE PERFORMANCES ARE EASY 'CAUSE THEY SELL TICKETS. AND THEN WE HAVE ADDRESSES SO WE KNOW WHICH ONES ARE SEDONA RESIDENTS AND WHICH ARE NOT. THOSE ARE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THE ARTS FESTIVAL, AND THAT WAS A CHALLENGE FOR LORI INITIALLY, BUT SHE HAS VOLUNTEERS AT EVERY ENTRANCE, AND THEY ASK WHEN THEY COME IN, WHERE ARE YOU FROM? HEY, YOU KNOW, THEY MAKE IT KINDA LIGHT AND EASY. UM, ALICE MADAR CAME UP WITH A, A WRISTBAND, ARE YOU FROM SEDONA? YOU GET A BLUE WRISTBAND. IF YOU'RE FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU GET A YELLOW WRISTBAND. SO THOSE METRICS ARE QUITE WELL DEFINED BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, WHO'S IT SERVING? ARE YOU BRINGING PEOPLE IN OR ARE YOU, OR IS IT FOR THE, FOR THE RESIDENTS? AND THAT, THAT ALL DERIVED FROM THE NATURE OF THE PROGRAM. FIRST IT WAS THE EMPHASIS WAS, BRING ME A VISITOR. NEXT, THE EMPHASIS WAS, WE ONLY WANT RESIDENTS. OKAY. KATHY, DID YOU HAVE ONE? AND THEN VICE MAYOR, UM, STEPHANIE TOUCHED ON PART OF MY QUESTION, [01:30:01] BUT NOW HAS RAISED ANOTHER, UH, FOR ME. UM, WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT THAT THIS WOULD SERVE, ATTRACT OUT OF TOWN VISITORS? I MEAN, AS OPPOSED TO ATTRACTING, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS OF SEDONA OR REGIONAL? REGIONAL. LIKE WHY ARE WE MAKING THAT DECISION? WHY DO WE CARE? I MEAN, I GET THAT YOU HAVE THE METRICS. I GET THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT AS MANY PEOPLE IN MY MIND ATTEND THE SEDONA INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT ARE LOCALS AS ARE OUT OF TOWNERS. SO WHY DO WE, WHY DOES THAT BECOME IMPORTANT TO, YOU KNOW, DELINEATE THAT? I DON'T KNOW, AS IT DOES, IT WAS JUST IMPORTANT TO THE COUNCIL, YOUR PREDECESSORS, YOUR PREDECESSORS KIND OF HAVE SET THE RULES OVER TIME WHEN YOU WERE DOING THE OTHER PROGRAM. AND IF GETTING, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THIS, BUT, AND IF IT DOESN'T, THAT'S GREAT. ALL YOU, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, WE CAN CHANGE THE CRITERIA ANY WAY YOU'D LIKE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WILL RETURN TO YOU, IS WE WILL EVALUATE ON WHATEVER CRITERIA YOU, AS YOU ENVISION THE PROGRAM, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE PROGRAM? WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO HERE? AND ANY WAY YOU DO THAT, WE DESIGN THE CRITERIA TO FIT THAT. AND THEN AS WE GRANT, AS WE DO OUR EVALUATIONS, WE LOOK FOR THOSE THINGS AND WE, AND THE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE GOTTEN SO GOOD AT KNOWING WHAT IT IS THAT THE CITY HAS FED BACK THAT THEY WANT AT THAT TIME THAT THEY DESIGN THEIR PROGRAMS TO MEET THOSE CRITERIA. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND I KNOW THIS IS ON A DIFFERENT POINT NOW. OKAY. VICE SMEAR. AND THEN, OH, I, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT FOR THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT DON'T MEET THE ANNUAL INCOME, THEY'RE STILL ELIGIBLE FOR SMALL GRANTS. ABSOLUTELY. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE BEING CUT OUT AND IN FACT THERE'S MORE MONEY FOR THEM BECAUSE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WOULDN'T BE ELIGIBLE FOR SMALL GRANTS. THAT'S TRUE. THAT IS VERY TRUE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE, HAVE THEY SEEN THAT? NO, NOT YET. NO, YOU HAVEN'T. UH, THIS YEAR WE DID NOT KNOWING WHICH DIRECTION THIS WOULD GO, WE DID ACTUALLY TWO EVALUATION, TWO, TWO RECOMMENDATIONS. ONE WITH, UM, ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS WHO APPLIED AND THEN ONE WITHOUT, UM, SAC AND SIF IN IT. AND THE RESULTS WERE DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT. THE OTHER, MEANING THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS GOT SO MUCH MORE MONEY THEY WERE WITH, WITH THE LARGER, WITH SAC AND SIF IN THE, UM, IN, IN THE MIX. WE WERE NOT ABLE TO FUND SOME ORGANIZATIONS AT ALL. AND, UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS WHERE WE HAD TO GIVE THEM THE MINIMUM NEEDED TO DO THEIR PROGRAM. SO, AND, AND TAKING SHIP OUT, EVERYBODY, ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS, EXCEPT FOR SAC AND C RECEIVED ENOUGH FUNDING TO DO THEIR PROGRAM. WE WERE ABLE TO FUND EVERY ORGANIZATION AND GIVE THEM SUFFICIENT AMOUNT TO DO THEIR PROGRAMS. THANK YOU. STEPHANIE. YES, PETE DID. KATHY, NO, GO AHEAD. IT WAS A DIFFERENT POINT. THAT'S A GREAT DEAL. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I WANNA START BACK AT THE TOP AND THANK YOU FOR THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD SO FAR ABOUT ARTS AND CULTURE AND THEN SOMEHOW WORKING TO ADD A DEFINITION ON THIS THING. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE APPROACH THESE TOPICS IN A PROGRAM LIKE THIS, BUT I, I WANNA ASK, UH, NONPROFITS VERSUS FOR-PROFITS, WHAT WAS THE CONVERSATION DECISION, YOU KNOW, CRITERIA ABOUT THAT. AND THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT THIS IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING OUT THERE THAT A PRIMARY MISSION IS TO GENERATE ECONOMIC INCOME. WHAT DOES IT MATTER IF IT'S A, A, A FOR-PROFIT OR A NONPROFIT, UH, COUNSELOR FURMAN? UM, I BELIEVE THAT WAS BUILT, UH, INTO THIS BECAUSE THAT'S TRADITIONALLY WHAT THE CITY HAS, UM, BEEN WILLING TO USE TAX DOLLARS TO FUND IS NONPROFITS. I'M NOT AWARE OF US, UM, GRANTING FUNDS TO A PRIVATE FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION. SO THAT'S A POLICY CHOICE ON THE COUNCIL'S PART, IF YOU WANT TO OPEN THAT UP TO PRIVATE BUSINESSES TO RECEIVE. IS THERE AN ELEMENT OF LEGAL RISK ABOUT PROFITS VERSUS NON-PROFITS IN THIS SPACE? UH, UM, MAYOR, COUNSELORS, UH, COUNSELOR, FURMAN, UH, NO, THERE'S NO, UH, DIFFERENCE FROM A LEGAL POINT OF VIEW FOR THE GRANT PROGRAM. AND THEN CONNECTED, THANK YOU. SORT OF CONNECTED TO THAT WAS SORT OF A TWO INTERLINKED HERE. [01:35:01] AT ONE POINT WE TALKED ABOUT AN OPERATING INCOME OF 5,500,000. ANOTHER POINT WE SAID IT'S A BUDGET OF 500,000. AND SO I'M KIND OF WONDERING WHAT THE INTENT WAS REALLY THERE. AND THEN FURTHER WHY 500,000? YOU GO AHEAD. UM, SO THE, UM, CLARIFICATION AROUND OPERATING INCOME VERSUS BUDGET. UH, WE CAN GET, UM, AND WE DO RECEIVE NOW IN THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM, THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF THE ORGANIZATION. SO WE'RE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THEIR INCOME IS, UM, AS WELL AS ASSETS, LIABILITIES, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND SO WHEN STEPHANIE AND I MET ON LIKE, HOW WOULD WE HAVE SOME BASIS TO LOOK AND SEE, UH, WHETHER THEY MEET A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, WE DISCUSSED THE OPERATING INCOME BECAUSE WE CAN SEE THAT AS A FOR SURE NUMBER. UM, AND IT MAY HAVE JUST BEEN A OVERSIGHT ON MY PART THAT IT SAYS BUDGET IN A DIFFERENT SPOT, BUT I BELIEVE THE, THE, UM, SCREENING CRITERIA FOR THE COMMITTEE, THE EASIEST WAY TO DO THAT WAS LOOK AT, UM, INCOME. SO THEN CONNECTED TO THAT, WHY WOULDN'T IT BE JUST A MEASURE ON THE ECONOMIC IMPACT GENERATED INSTEAD OF A BUDGET NUMBER? WELL, THE ORIGINAL DIRECTION THAT I HAVE FROM COUNCIL WAS TO CREATE A PRO A GRANT PROGRAM FOR LARGER ORGANIZATIONS. AND SO THAT WAS THE GENESIS OF THIS. THE ORIGINAL DIRECTION WAS GO FIGURE OUT, UM, FOR HOW TO SEPARATE OUT THE LARGE ORGANIZATIONS FROM THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM. I GUESS I FEEL THAT THERE'S, MAYBE WE'RE TORN IN TWO DIRECTIONS. IT'S ABOUT ECONOMIC IMPACT REALLY, BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA SAY LARGE ORGANIZATIONS AND I THINK REALLY THE FOCUS MIGHT BE ON MORE OF A DIRECT BENEFIT ECONOMIC INCOME. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND NOR NOR SUPPORT THE METRIC THAT LOOKS LIKE IN THERE. WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT MAR AS ITS MISSION. UM, SO BACK TO THE NONPROFIT VERSUS FOR-PROFIT. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S EASIER TO LOOK AT FINANCIAL STATEMENTS IN A NONPROFIT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT 'EM FROM A GOVERNMENT THING. IF WE WANTED TO TURN TO A FOR-PROFIT, HOW WOULD WE DO THAT WITHOUT SORT OF DISCLOSING PROPRIETARY INFORMATION? I WOULD LOOK TO LEGAL IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO HAVE IN THE APPLICATION THAT SAYS WE SIGNED SOME NON-DISCLOSURE OR SOMETHING. I, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'D PROTECT THE FOR PROFIT COMPANY THAT APPLIES FOR THESE DOLLARS. IF THEIR APPLICATION IS A PUBLIC RECORD, IS THERE A EXEMPTION FOR THAT SECTION OF THE APPLICATION? YEAH, THE APPLICATION OF COURSE WOULD BE A PUBLIC RECORD, BUT THE METRIC COULD BE A, CERTAINLY A DIFFERENT, WHATEVER YOU WOULD FEEL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, UH, INFORMATION THAT IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE FOR, FOR THAT COMPANY. UM, THEY'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY'RE LIKELY NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU THEIR, ALL OF THEIR FINANCIAL INFORMATION. BUT SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GROSS REVENUE, I MEAN, I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO PERHAPS LOOK AT A DIFFERENT, UH, METRIC MIGHT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO. DOES OUR PROCUREMENT OFFICER HAVE A COMMENT? I SEE HIM LIKE LEANING OVER AND LOOKING AT ME, SO I THOUGHT MAYBE HE MIGHT HAVE A, OKAY. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW, MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY, VICE, VICE MAYOR. I SUPPOSE THIS IS A COMMENT, BUT UH, JUST SAY, ISN'T IT AT THE END, ? YEAH, THANK YOU. THE, THE NOTION THAT WE WOULD FUND A FOR-PROFIT COMPANY IS VEERING SO FAR AWAY FROM ANYTHING WE'VE EVER DONE AS A CITY GRANTING PROFIT MAKING COMPANY. I, I, HUGE ISSUES WITH THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN THAT'S, I I CAN'T BELIEVE THERE'S NOT SOME LEGAL CONCERNS ABOUT PUBLIC MONEY GOING TO FOR-PROFIT CORPORATIONS. THAT MORAL, MORAL CONCERNS AS WELL IS LEGAL. CAN I DISAGREE WITH THAT? I AGREE WITH THAT. DO YOU DISAGREE OR NO? I AGREE. I AGREE. OH, THANK YOU. OKAY. , I'LL BE WORRIED. NO, NO, NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS? 'CAUSE WE HAVE CARDS AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COMMENTS. [01:40:01] OKAY, JOE, YOU READY? OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, TIM PERRY, STEP UP. UH, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. AND, UH, MELISSA TIKI WILL BE, UH, NEXT. GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY. I LIVE IN UPTOWN SEDONA. THE QUESTION OF WHETHER GOVERNMENT SHOULD QUOTE UNQUOTE SUPPORT THE ARTS NEVER TENDS TO CONSIDER THE QUESTION OF WHETHER GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY CAN SUPPORT THE ARTS. HISTORICAL RECORD TELLS US THAT COERCIVE STATES ALWAYS TRY TO SUBVERT THE VISUAL ARTS AND SUPPRESS THE PERFORMING ARTS. VISUAL ARTS CAN BE READILY TURNED TO THE STATE'S OBJECTIVES. PERFORMING ARTS PUMP OUR BODIES FULL OF CHEMICALS THAT MAKE US LESS LIKELY TO COOPERATE WITH TYRANTS. CASE IN POINT, THE PHARAOH KARE DID NOT BUILD THE GREAT SPX IN EGYPT BECAUSE HE WAS A GREAT PATRON OF THE ARTS. HE BUILT THE SPHINX TO IMPRESS EVERYBODY WITH HIS WEALTH AND POWER, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY THE CITY OF SEDONA PLOPPED A 15 FOOT TALL ROADRUNNER DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROUNDABOUT WHERE NO ONE CAN SEE IT. SECOND CASE IN POINT, I BELIEVE THE COST OF THAT ROADRUNNER WAS SOMETHING IN THE LINES OF $65,000 LAST YEAR'S GRANT TO THE SYMPHONY TO PERFORM BEETHOVEN TO INSPIRE PEOPLE TO FREEDOM WAS $18,000. A THIRD CASE IN POINT WOULD BE THAT THIS, UH, CITY SUPPOSEDLY ANIMATED BY THE ARTS, HAS A NOISE ORDINANCE, WHICH MAKES NO DISTINCTION WHATSOEVER BETWEEN MUSIC AND NOISE. AND YET ANOTHER CASE IN POINT WOULD BE THIS, UH, BREAKDOWN OF THIS PROPOSAL ITSELF. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET FOR LAST YEAR'S SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM, THERE WAS ABOUT A 48, 50 2% SPLIT BETWEEN VISUAL ARTS ORGANIZATIONS ON THE ONE HAND, AND PERFORMING ARTS ORGANIZATIONS ON THE OTHER. THE PROPOSAL BEFORE THIS COUNCIL TONIGHT WOULD SHIFT THAT BALANCE TO 59 41 AT BEST. AND THIS IS CONSISTENT NOT ONLY WITH THE COUNCIL'S OR RATHER WITH THE STATE'S LARGER EFFORTS TO TAKE OVER AND MANIPULATE THE ARTS AS THEY CHOOSE, BUT IT'S ALSO INDICATIVE OF THIS COUNCIL'S MATERIALISTIC AND UTILITARIAN ATTITUDE TOWARDS THE ARTS WHERE YOU THINK, WELL, YOU'RE, WE'RE GONNA USE IT TO ATTRACT PEOPLE LIKE OURSELVES. WHO WE WANT TO COME HERE TO COME HERE. THAT'S BUSINESS, ART, AND BUSINESS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ONE ANOTHER. ART IS THE OPPOSITE OF BUSINESS, JUST AS IT IS THE OPPOSITE OF GOVERNMENT TO FULLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE LIE THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA SUPPORTS THE ARTS, JUST COMPARE YOUR 502,001 HALF OF 1% ARTS BUDGET WITH THAT OF THE TOWN OF ASPEN SEDONAS BUREAUCRATS SOW ON IT TO BE ASPEN. 9.1 MILLION ON THE ARTS, 6,600 PEOPLE PER CAPITA SPENDING OF $1,383 PER PERSON. 27 TIMES THE AMOUNT THAT SEDONA SPENDS ON THE ARTS PRETENDING TO SUPPORT THE ARTS. OKAY, UM, MELISSA TIKIS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY PATRICK SCHWEISS. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. I AM MELISSA TIKIS AND I AM A RESIDENT OF, UH, SEDONA. AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING SEDONA ART CENTER. I AM THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD. UM, AND JULIE RICHARD, WHO IS OUR CEO UNFORTUNATELY IS ON VACATION RIGHT NOW. SO I GET TO JOIN YOU AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EVEN THOUGH THIS WAS NOT ONE OF MY TOPICS, I WILL ADDRESS THE FACT THAT MARLIS WAS HERE EARLIER AND BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A MURAL ISSUE THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SOLVE WITH HER FOR A YEAR. SO I DO JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT AS AN ENTITY AND AS AN ORGANIZATION THAT CARES ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND OUR ARTISTS. I WON'T GO INTO THE HISTORY OF IT, BUT THERE WAS A MISTAKE THAT WAS MADE THAT HAD NO MALICIOUS INTENT TO IT AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING TO SOLVE IT FOR THE PAST YEAR. HAVING SAID THAT, UM, I LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE TO PULL OUT TWO OF THE MORE LARGER ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATIONS AND TAKE THEM OUTTA THE POOL THAT IS CURRENTLY WITH THE SMALL GRANTS AND WHAT THAT DOES FOR ALL THE OTHER NONPROFITS. I VOLUNTEER A TON IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS AND A LOT OF THEM THAT RECEIVE THOSE SMALL GRANTS. AND THEY ARE VITAL. SO AS BIZARRE AS IT SEEMS THAT I'M ACTUALLY ADVOCATING THAT I WANT THEM TO GET MONEY , I DO WANT THEM TO GET MONEY AND I WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO GET EVEN MORE MONEY BY ACTUALLY CARVING US OUT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES US VERY DIFFERENT, TAKING OUT WHAT OUR ECONOMIC IMPACT IS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TOURISTS THAT WE DO BRING IN. WE DO YEAR ROUND PROGRAM THAT IS FOR OUR RESIDENTS. WE HAVE WORKSHOPS THAT HAPPEN EVERY DAY. WE HAVE SCHOOL CLASSES THAT HAPPEN EVERY DAY. WE RUN KIDS PROGRAMS IN THE SUMMER. WE HAVE A CAMP THAT HAPPENS, THINGS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY TARGETED TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA. WE ALSO THEN TURN AROUND AND WE WORK WITH OUR PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS. WE DO THINGS WITH SIF AND [01:45:01] WE SHOW MOVIE NIGHTS IN OUR PARKING LOT. WE HAVE THE SYMPHONY CHAMBER MUSIC COME AND ACTUALLY PERFORM AND WE PAY THEM TO BE AT SOME OF OUR EVENTS. SO IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT IS HOW CAN WE BE A REALLY GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNER? YES, WE ARE A NONPROFIT AND OF COURSE EVERY NONPROFIT IS ALWAYS LOOKING FOR DOLLARS. I LOOK AT IT TAKING THE ROLE THAT I'VE ALWAYS LOOKED AT AS A CONSULTANT. WE ARE SO MUCH BETTER WHEN WE CAN LEVERAGE EVERYBODY ELSE. WE LEVERAGE WHAT WE CAN BRING TO EACH OTHER. WE WILL LEVERAGE THE LEADERSHIP THAT WE HAVE ACROSS SEDONA WITH THE ARTS AND THE CULTURE AND THE LEADERSHIP TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE ORGANIZATION STRONGER AND BETTER. SO WITH THAT SAID, I JUST APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERING CARVING US THE, THE TIME CURRENTLY. I KNOW IT IS THE TWO, THE TWO LARGE ORGANIZATIONS 'CAUSE WE BROUGHT IT FORTH OF THE ART CENTER IN THE INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL. AND GOD, I WOULD LOVE IF THAT CREATES COMPETITION TO HAVE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT WANNA GET LARGER AND BIGGER AND HAVE A BIGGER IMPACT AND THAT ARE ACTUALLY ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR THIS TOO. 'CAUSE THAT JUST MAKES US AND EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY IS GONNA WIN AND THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF IT ALL. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MELISSA. PATRICK WILL BE OUR LAST SPEAKER. THANK YOU. I AM PATRICK. EXCUSE ME, PATRICK SCHWEISS. UH, AND I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE SEDONA INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL. AND I JUST WANNA THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AND CONSIDERING THIS REQUEST. AND, UH, LIKE MELISSA, JULIE AND I WERE THE ONES THAT HAD COME AND INITIATED THIS CONVERSATION AS WELL. SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS WE CAN ANSWER, I CAN ANSWER ABOUT WHERE SOME OF THAT CRITERIA CAME FROM. I THINK WE HAD A LITTLE TO DO WITH THAT IN KIND OF HELPING TO GUIDE THIS. IT'S BEEN A TOUGH YEAR FOR ARTS FUNDING IN GENERAL, UM, FROM THE STATE AND NATIONAL LEVEL FOR SURE. SO YOUR CONSIDERATION IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT TO BOTH OF OUR ORGANIZATIONS AND ALL OF OUR ORGANIZATIONS IN THE SMALL GRANTS POOL. NOW, MORE THAN EVER, UM, THIS GRANTS WOULD, THESE GRANTS WOULD HELP THE ARTS CENTER AND OUR FILM FESTIVAL CONTINUE OUR INCREDIBLE EFFORTS AND CULTURAL PROGRAMS AND WHAT WE WE BRING TO OUR RESIDENTS. NOTICE I SAID, GRANT NOT GIFT. THERE WILL BE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THESE FUNDS AND WE'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOCUMENTING AND REPORTING BACK TO THE CITY ON THE USE OF OUR FUNDS AT THE CRITERIA YOU ESTABLISH AND THE BENEFITS TO OUR RESIDENTS. AND SO YOUR GRANT MONEY WILL INDEED BE USED FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD. WHY US AND THE ARTS CENTER? BECAUSE WE ARE YEAR ROUND ARTS ORGANIZATIONS, NOT JUST SINGLE EVENTS OR SERIES, WHICH ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND VITAL TO OUR, TO OUR COMMUNITY. WE OPERATE 365 DAYS A YEAR, BOTH OF OUR ORGANIZATIONS AND PROVIDE ARTS AND CULTURE, UH, TO SEDONA AND OUR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. OUR ANNUAL BUDGETS ARE EACH MORE THAN 1.7 MILLION. WE CONTRIBUTE GREATLY TO THE COMMUNITY. THIS WOULD REMOVE US, AS WE'VE SAID, FROM THE SMALL GRANTS POOL. AND I WOULD LOVE ALL THOSE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO GET EVERY BIT OF FUNDING THAT THEY ALL DESERVE. 85% OF OUR EMPLOYEES LIVE AND WORK HERE IN SEDONA. UM, WE'RE VERY, VERY PROUD OF THAT. THEY'RE NOT, NOT ALLOWED, ARE COMING IN FROM COTTONWOOD TO THE VERDE VALLEY. SO THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY HERE AS WELL. AND IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING A GREAT DIRECT ECONOMIC IMPACT, BOTH OF OUR ORGANIZATIONS CONTRIBUTE GREATLY TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE HERE IN SEDONA. I HAD A WHOLE LIST. I WAS GONNA OVER WHAT WE ALL OFFER, BUT I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW THAT. BUT I WANNA CITE A CASE IN POINT. WE ARE THE ONLY PLACE IN NORTHERN ARIZONA TO OFFER THE MET LIVE OPERA. IF YOU WERE TO GO TO NEW YORK AND GO TO THE MET LIVE OPERA AND GET A SEAT, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE VIEW THAT WE GET ON OUR SCREEN UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL, THE TICKET WOULD BE 280 TO $330. OUR COST FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR VISITORS. 25 BUCKS TO SEE THAT LIVE AS IT'S HAPPENING IN NEW YORK. THE ROYAL BALLET FROM LONDON, A US DOLLAR TICKET THERE, $121. WE CHARGE 15 NATIONAL THEATER OF LONDON AND BROAD LONDON AND BROADWAY PRODUCTIONS ON SCREEN. AGAIN, $250 TICKETS, $179 TICKETS, 15 BUCKS TO SEE THEM AND GET A BETTER VANTAGE POINT THAN IF YOU WERE IN THAT THEATER. THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS WE OFFER. SAC VERY SIMILARLY OFFERS VISUAL ARTS CLASSES. WE ALL PROVIDE A MAJOR ECONOMIC IMPACT AND WE OPEN THE THEATER TO OTHER NONPROFITS IN TOWN AND EXPAND WHAT EVERYBODY CAN DO. SO I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE SEDONA INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL AND SEDONA ARTS CENTER WILL CENTER, WILL WORK TO ENSURE THAT IT IS THE CASE WHERE WE ARE VALUING AND ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT THE CITY WANTS US TO DO WITH THIS MONEY. WE WILL MAKE YOU VERY, VERY PROUD STEWARDS OF YOUR FUNDS AND WE WILL WORK TO SUPPORT ALL THE ART AND PUBLIC GOOD. IT GOES TO A DIRECT BENEFIT AND INDIRECT BENEFITS TO OUR RESIDENTS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONSIDERING THIS. WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, PATRICK. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. SO, UH, WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, FINAL COMMENTS? SURE. SINCE YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME, UM, I, I'M, I'M CURRENTLY NOT COMFORTABLE VOTING ON THIS TODAY. I THINK THE WORDING HAS TO BE MORE EXACT. IT NEEDS TO IN INCLUDE THE IDEA AROUND CULTURE. IT HAS TO BE CLEANED UP SO THAT ANYONE WHO SEES THIS KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE REFERENCING AND WHAT IT IS WE MEAN TO DO BY THIS. UM, SO I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MOST OF THE, THE AREAS IN WHICH I HAVE, UM, WORDING ISSUES. UH, I I JUST FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW I'M NOT READY TO VOTE ON THIS. [01:50:02] I VICE MAYOR, I WANNA THANK YOU STEPHANIE AND, AND, UH, ANNETTE, PATRICK AND MELISSA FOR YOUR INPUT AND FOR PRESENTING THIS TO US. UM, I HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY IS SAYING, UH, AND I THINK YOU HAVE DIRECTION. DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE DIRECTION? UH, WHEN I FINISH, UM, HEARING YOUR ROUND OF COMMENTS, I'LL SUMMARIZE WHAT I'VE HEARD AND MAKE SURE I HAVE IT ALL. OKAY. SO THAT WE CAN, UH, SO SOMETHING COULD PRESENT IT TO COUNSEL THAT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THE COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE. AND THEN, UH, WE'LL HAVE A PLAN, WE'LL HAVE A PROGRAM. IT'S A VERY GOOD, UH, DRAFT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. STUFF FROM DEREK. I WORK DOWN. NO COMMENTS. OKAY. PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. I, I TOO AM IN THE SPACE WHERE I'M NOT COMFORTABLE PROCEEDING WITH THIS TODAY. I DO THINK WE'VE GIVEN STAFF A LOT OF FEEDBACK TO THINK ABOUT. UH, WE BANDIED ABOUT THE TERM DIRECT BENEFIT A FEW TIMES. I THINK THAT TERM, UH, NEEDS SOME CAREFUL THOUGHT. 'CAUSE I THINK IT MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AND WE, I THINK THERE'S SOME, UH, LEGAL RISK YEAH. WITH THIS PROGRAM THAT HAS TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT AND, AND IT MIGHT FOCUS AROUND THE DIRECT BENEFIT ELEMENT OF IT. THE OTHER CHANGES, UH, I ALSO SUPPORT, UM, HOLDING EVENTS THAT ATTRACT OUT OF TOWN VISITORS, I THINK PROBABLY SHOULD BE BROADENED OR DROPPED. IT'S REALLY ABOUT HAVING THE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY IN, IN, IN CERTAIN WAYS. UH, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE THINK ABOUT METRICS ABOUT ECONOMIC IMPACT RATHER THAN JUST BUDGET. THAT BUDGET DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO ME. IT'S REALLY ABOUT WHAT YOU DO, NOT HOW BIG YOU ARE. BUT THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. THANK YOU MAYOR KATHY. YES. THANK YOU. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THIS IS, I I REALLY, I LIKE THE IDEA OF PROCEEDING WITH A PROGRAM BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT ACTUALLY HELPS THE SMALLER, UH, NONPROFITS AS WELL. ONCE WE TAKE SORT OF THE BIG FISH OUTTA THE POOL. THE LITTLE GUYS HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A CHANCE AT A, A BIGGER BITE, RIGHT? SO I I, I LIKE THE PROGRAM. I I RECOGNIZE THE TYPES OF ORGANIZATIONS. TWO OF THEM ARE DEMONSTRATED HERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE THE ONLY TWO OR WILL BE THE ONLY TWO IN THE FUTURE, BUT I DEMON I UNDERSTAND THE ACT, THE, THE IMPACT IS NOT EVEN THE RIGHT WORD. THE GIFT THAT YOU ARE TO THE CITY IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU PROVIDE TO RESIDENTS AND TO OUR ENTIRE PRESENTATION OF SEDONA AS A CITY. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SEDONA AS A CULTURE, ORGANIZATIONS LIKE YOURS ARE PART OF THE CULTURE OF SEDONA. SO, UM, I I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE, UM, THESE BULLET POINTS THAT ARE HERE. I JUST, AGAIN, THE PRIMARY MISSION MUST BE THE ARTS. I, I SUPPORT, AGAIN, PUTTING THE WORD CULTURE BACK IN THERE AND THINK THAT WE SHOULD NOT RULE OUT FESTIVALS. WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE BULLET POINT OF, UM, ATTRACTING OUTTA TOWN VISITORS. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THERE. UM, AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT IMPACT OVERALL. AND OUT OF TOWN VISITOR IS A PERSON FROM VOC OR COTTONWOOD COUNTED AS THAT, OR REGIONAL. AND AGAIN, OUR SED I WANNA, I WANNA BENEFIT OUR SEDONA PEOPLE AS WELL. UM, SO I DON'T THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THERE, PROVIDE YEAR ROUND PROGRAMMING. I ALSO, I'M STILL, EVEN THOUGH YOU SPOKE TO THAT, YOU KNOW, WELL AND WHERE THAT CAME FROM, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT NECESSARILY NEEDS TO BE A PART OF IT EITHER, BECAUSE IF THERE'S IS SOMEBODY OPERATING SEASONALLY OR IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS TWICE A EVEN ONCE A YEAR OR TWICE A YEAR, BUT HAS SUCH A BIG BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, TO THE CITY AND TO OUR RESIDENTS, WHY WOULDN'T WE WANNA CONSIDER THAT? I DON'T KNOW THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT EXISTS NOW, BUT COULD IT IN THE FUTURE? UM, I THINK AT THE MOMENT WE HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT QUALIFY, BUT YOU, YOU GUYS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MIGHT BE COMPETITION IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT'S ONLY GOOD. THAT ONLY SHOWS, YOU KNOW, GROWTH OF CULTURE IN SEDONA. SO THAT, THAT'S, I SHOULD BE WELCOMED, I THINK. UM, AND I DO THINK ALSO THAT WE NEED TO ADD SOMETHING IN THERE THAT A BULLET POINT THAT DOES SAY, PROVIDE A DIRECT BENEFIT BACK TO THE CITY OF SEDONA, WHICH THEN LEADS TO THE POINTS OF THE DEFINITIONS THAT WE NEED. I THINK WE NEED A DEFINITION OF CULTURE AND I THINK WE NEED A DEFINITION OF BENEFITS, UH, INCLUDED IN THIS. SO I THINK THAT'S TOO MUCH WORDING TO DO ON THE FLY FROM THE DAIS. SO I ALSO AGREE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD GO BACK FOR [01:55:01] SOME TWEAKING BASED ON DIRECTION GIVEN IN THAT WE, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THIS UP AGAIN AT THE FUTURE DATE WHENEVER IT'S READY FROM STAFF. OKAY. I AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT. UH, WELL MOST ALL, ALL OF THAT, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, IT COULDN'T HURT BY MOVING THIS FORWARD TO ANOTHER DATE, POSTPONING THIS TO ANOTHER DATE TO GET ALL THESE, UH, DEFINITIONS AND ALL THESE KEY POINTS IN TO MAKE SURE WE GET THIS RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. SO, UH, PERHAPS IT COULD BE A CONSENT ITEM FOR A FUTURE MEETING. THE COUNCIL CAN READ IT IN THE PACKET AND, UH, DECIDE AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. UH, EVEN IF IT'S IN AUGUST. UH, WHAT, WELL, WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING IN JULY, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AUGUST. SO, UH, BUT I DEFINITELY FEEL VERY STRONG ABOUT MOVING THIS FORWARD. UH, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE ABOUT WHAT, UH, COUNCIL KINSELLA SAID ABOUT THE TWO ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY. THEY ARE A HUGE BENEFIT TO OUR CITY AND WHAT THEY BRING FOR ART. AND I DO AGREE CULTURE WITHOUT A DOUBT. AND I THINK THAT WE ARE, ASIDE FROM BEING WELL KNOWN ABOUT THE, UH, RED ROCKS, WE ARE KNOWN ABOUT OUR ARTS AND CULTURE BECAUSE OF THESE TWO ORGANIZATIONS AND MANY OTHERS. SO I WOULD ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THIS. I JUST WANNA MOVE FORWARD, UH, MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT. SO, UM, DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH INFORMATION? I THINK SO. I'M JUST, UM, ARE YOU FOLKS LEAVING? BECAUSE, UH, THIS IS THE ITEM THAT YOU, YOU, WE HERE FOR THE NEXT, THE NEXT ITEM. WE'RE GONNA MOVE UP ITEM FOUR. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA MOVE UP ITEM FOUR. IT'LL BE NEXT. YEAH, NO, I, I UNDERSTAND. I JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO LEAVE. OKAY. SO, UM, WHAT I'VE HEARD IS INCLUDE A DEFINITION OF ARTS AND CULTURE, BROADEN WHAT THE MISSION CAN INCLUDE. UM, JUST THE CLEANUP ON BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE OPERATING INCOME VERSUS BUDGET QUALIFIER. UM, HOW THE ENTITY PROVIDES A DIRECT BENEFIT OR HOW THEIR ACTIVITY PROVIDES A DIRECT BENEFIT TO THE CITY. AND A DEFINITION OF WHAT DIRECT BENEFIT IS, UM, CAN SERVE RESIDENTS AND OR VISITORS, BUT MORE IMPORTANT TO SHOW WHAT THEIR OVERALL IMPACT IS. UM, DEFINE WHAT THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT IS TO THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT ACTIVITIES FUNDED BY THE GRANT COULD INCLUDE FESTIVALS. I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING I HEARD. OKAY. IS THAT RESONATING? YES. WOULD BE GOOD FOR ME. YES. YES, YES, YES. OKAY. WE'RE SEEING A CONSENSUS UP HERE. OKAY. THEN, UH, KATHY, YOU WANNA DO A MOTION TO, UH, YEAH, IF THERE ARE NO ANYTHING ELSE? UM, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER THIS TO A FUTURE DATE TO BE DETERMINED WHENEVER STAFF IS READY TO BRING THAT FORWARD. 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY'LL BE READY FOR AUGUST ON THAT ONE. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER THIS ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION AT A FUTURE MEETING WHEN STAFF BRINGS IT FORWARD. OKAY. DO WE NEED A MOTION TO DEFER? I THINK IT KEEPS THE RECORD CLEAR. I, I WOULD RECOMMEND IT. OKAY. YEAH, KURT ASKED FOR IT IN THE PAST. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF DEFERRING THIS TO FUTURE DATES, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? EXCELLENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO AS I SAID FOLKS, I'M GOING TO MOVE UP WITH THE COUN UNLESS COUNSEL HAS ANY OBJECTIONS. I'M GONNA MOVE UP ITEM FOUR. UH, ITEM D, UH, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA LOSE ANY MORE PEOPLE HERE. AND WE DO HAVE PE YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAME FROM A LONG DISTANCE TO BE HERE, SO, UH, I JUST THINK THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT WAS HERE ON ITEM C, SO I DON'T, UH, THE NEXT ITEM. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT INCONVENIENCED EITHER, RIGHT? WELL, SHORT TERM RENTAL, NO, THAT'S ITEMS, NO, NO, NO, NO. THE SHARED USE PATH. OH, WHATEVER. SUP. OKAY. NUMBER IS IT? B. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO, UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION, I'M GONNA GO MOVE D UP. THANK YOU, PATRICK. ITEM D. AND THEN, BY THE WAY, WE'LL TAKE A BREAK AFTER, UH, ITEM D. OH, POOR DIANA . OH YEAH, . ALRIGHT. I, I KNOW. I'M SORRY. OKAY. [8.d. AB 3237 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding a Resolution formally opposing the mandatory disposal of Bureau of Land Management Land and National Forest System Land for Housing provision added to the One Big Beautiful Bill Act and authorizing and directing the Mayor to execute and deliver a letter to federal representatives to this effect.] UH, ITEM D IS AB 32 37. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION ACTION. REGARDING A RESOLUTION FORMALLY OPPOSING THE MANDATORY DISPOSAL OF BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT LAND AND NATIONAL FOREST SYSTEM, LAND FOR HOUSING PROVISION, ADDED TO THE ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL ACT AND AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE MAYOR TO, UH, EXECUTE AND DELIVER A LETTER TO THE FEDERAL REPRESENTATIVES TO THIS EFFECT. SO, ANNETTE, DO YOU WANT TO KICK THIS OFF? NO, ANDY, SURE. , I'M SORRY, I, [02:00:01] THIS CAME UP WHILE I WAS NOT HERE, SO I'M SORRY. I, I THINK LEGAL COUNSEL'S PROBABLY BETTER. THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. I I, I FORGOT YOU EVEN AWAY. SO, YEAH. AND, UH, AND LAUREN IS ALSO NOT HERE, AND SHE'S THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY WROTE THE AGENDA BILL. SO AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AGENDA BILL, UM, THERE WAS ADDED TO THE, THE BIG BILL, THE BUDGET RECONCILIATION BILL, A MANDATORY PROVISION TO DISPOSE OF, UM, BLM AND FOREST SERVICE LAND. UM, AND THERE WERE CERTAIN PERCENTAGES SET FORWARD AND LIKE, UM, MANY CITIES OF CITY OF SEDONA WANTED TO, UH, WRITE A LETTER TO THE, THE CONGRESSMAN, NOT TO PASS IT WITH THAT PROVISION IN THERE. BUT THEN, UH, YESTERDAY THINGS CHANGED. UM, SO THE, UH, SENATE PARLIAMENTARIAN PULLED THIS, UH, THIS EDITION, THIS, THIS, UM, MANDATORY PUBLIC LAND SALE PROVISION BECAUSE IT, UH, VIOLATED THE BIRD RULE. SO THE BIRD RULE BASICALLY STATES THAT, UH, AN UNRELATED POLICY, UH, CAN'T BE INCLUDED IN A BUDGET RECONCILIATION BILL, BECAUSE BUDGET RECONCILIATION BILL ONLY REQUIRES A SIMPLE MAJORITY. AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD REQUIRE MORE THAN A SIMPLE MAJORITY REQUIRE 60 MEMBERS. SO, SO IT WAS PULLED, BUT THE, UH, SPONSOR OF THIS, UM, PUBLIC LAND SALE PROVISION, UM, UTAH SENATOR MIKE LEE, HE HAS, UH, POSTED ON, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA THAT HE'S GOING TO RESURRECT IT. HE'S GOING TO REVISE IT. UH, SO IT'S, IT'S NOT DEAD. IT'S NOT DEAD. SO, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THE, UM, IN INTENT, UH, IS STILL THERE. THAT, UH, BUT I THINK THAT THE LANGUAGE OF THE RESOLUTION, UH, WOULD NEED TO BE MODIFIED. UM, SO I CAN, UH, CERTAINLY PROPOSE WHAT I FEEL WOULD BE SOME APPROPRIATE, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO THE RESOLUTION. AND THEN IF YOU, UM, AGREE WITH THEM, UH, THEN WE CAN, UH, YOUR MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THIS AS AMENDED. UH, SO THE, THE FIRST PLACE WHERE I WOULD PROPOSE AMENDING IT IS ACTUALLY IN THE TITLE. AND THEN EVERYWHERE ELSE WHERE, UH, THE RESOLUTION DISCUSSES THE MANDATORY DISPOSAL OF BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT LAND, UH, PROVISION, I'LL JUST SHORTEN IT, UH, ADD TO THAT PROVISION, UM, OR ANY, UH, ALTERNATE OR SUBSTITUTE OR REINTRODUCED PROVISION, UM, HAVING THE SAME EFFECT, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOMETHING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UH, ALTERNATE SUBSTITUTE, UH, NEW HAVING THE SAME EFFECT. UM, AND THEN UNDER THE, WHEREAS IS, UH, I WOULD PROPOSE TO ADD A, WHEREAS, UH, IT WAS, UH, REMOVED FROM THE BILL ON JUNE 23RD, UH, 2025. UH, AND WHEREAS IT COULD BE, UH, RE-ADDED, WHICH THE, UH, SPONSOR HAS MADE KNOWN HIS STATED INTENT. SO I WOULD ADD TWO, WHEREAS CLAUSES AND I WOULD ADD THE LANGUAGE OF ALTERNATE SUBSTITUTE OR NEW PROVISION TO THE SAME EFFECT. KATHY, KATHY. SO I WAS LOOKING AT THIS FOR WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE EDITS AS WELL. UM, MONIQUE, AND IT JUST, IT SEEMED TO ME THAT TAKING OUT THE FIRST THREE WHEREASES AND JUST STARTING WITH, WHEREAS THE CITY COUNCILS DETERMINED THAT THE MANDATORY DISPOSAL OF BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT LAND, THE NATIONAL SYSTEM, UH, FOREST SYSTEM LAND FOR HOUSING PRO PROVISION WOULD'VE A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON THE CITY OF SEDONA, IT'S RESIDENTS. AND THE SECOND, WHEREAS THE CITY COUNCIL WISHES TO FORMALLY EXPRESS ITS OPPOSITION TO THE MANDATORY DISPOSAL, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, TAKE OUT THE ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL ACT AND JUST SAY AND COMMUNICATE THIS TO FEDERAL REPRESENTATIVES AND JUST LEAVE IT AT, AT THAT NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, UM, THAT, THAT JUST MIGHT CLEAN IT UP. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE HEART OF IT. SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW, UM, WHAT HAS TO REALLY BE ADDED. THAT'S THE STATEMENT. UM, AND THEN I WOULD SEND THAT OUT NOT ONLY TO OUR, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTATIVES, BUT ALSO I WOULD ASK THAT THE, THAT THE, THAT WE ASK THE ARIZONA LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS TO REVIEW THIS ISSUE AND TAKE A POSITION. THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN, BECAUSE MOST OF THE CITIES OR MOST AND TOWNS ARE, WOULD BE HURT BY THIS AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT THIS COULD, IF IT WAS PRESENTED CORRECTLY, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW I DID, UM, TRY TO PICK, UM, ANNETTE'S SPRAIN ON THAT THE OTHER DAY, BUT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO GET THE LEAGUE ENGAGED ON THIS AS WELL, BECAUSE THERE ARE, THERE ARE LOBBYING ARM. SO I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU THINK THAT THOSE EDITS WOULD MAKE SENSE? THEY, THEY DO. I, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE FIRST THREE WHEREASES, UH, ARE, ARE NOT, UH, NECESSARY, PARTICULARLY SINCE WE'LL BE ADDING, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL WHEREASES AND THEN IT JUST GETS A LITTLE WORDY. AND AT THIS POINT, EVERYBODY WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS WAS SPEAKING ABOUT BECAUSE THAT, WHEREAS, UH, THE FOURTH ONE DOES REFERENCE IT. SO YES, I, I I AGREE THAT, THAT, UH, OKAY. THANK YOU. OH, AND THE LEAGUE QUESTION AND THAT, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT? YES, THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, COUNCILOR KINSELLA, UM, I DID REACH OUT TO A MEMBER OF THE LEAGUE'S [02:05:01] EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE WHO'S A VERDE VALLEY AREA MAYOR. MM-HMM . AND ASKED ABOUT THAT. AND, UM, HER RESPONSE WAS THAT, UM, THE LEAGUE AT THIS TIME, UM, HASN'T HAD THE QUESTION COME BEFORE THEM. AND GIVEN THE TIMELINESS OF, UM, MAKING AN ACTION IN RELATION TO THIS PROPOSAL, UM, FELT THAT, UM, CITIES AND TOWNS TAKING ACTION ON THEIR OWN WAS LIKE THE BEST IMMEDIATE COURSE OF ACTION. UM, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT BEFORE THEM AT ANY OF THEIR POLICY COMMITTEES YET. SO THEY WEREN'T TAKING A POSITION AS THE LEAGUE AT THIS TIME, BUT ENCOURAGED ALL THE CITIES AND TOWNS TO TAKE THEIR OWN AT THIS MOMENT. I AGREE THAT EVERY CITY IN TOWN SHOULD ACT ON THIS AND, AND MAKE THEIR VOICE HEARD. UM, SO IT'S NOT A EITHER OR FOR ME, IT'S AN AND ALSO. SO I WOULD, I WOULD ACTUALLY STILL ENCOURAGE US, OR I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE US TO CONSIDER THIS UP HERE AND MAYBE GIVE THAT DIRECTION THAT WE STILL DO SEND THIS AS WELL WITH A COVER TO THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE LEAGUE, BECAUSE YES, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THE TIMING DOESN'T WORK FOR THE RESOLUTIONS AND THE VARIOUS COMMITTEES COMING FORWARD, BUT THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE COULD STILL, UM, REVIEW AND DECIDE IF THERE WAS AN APPROPRIATE ACTION OR NOT. I JUST DON'T WANNA LEAVE THEM OUT OF THIS BECAUSE I REALLY THINK, AND I ALSO ENCOURAGE LOOKING SOMEWHERE AT THE AUDIENCE THERE FOR COUNTIES TO WEIGH IN ON THIS AS WELL, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS AFFECTS ALL ACCOUNT, EVERY MUNICIPAL BODY SHOULD BE WEIGHING IN ON THIS, IN MY OPINION. BUT THE MORE THE MERRIER, AND IT'S NOT JUST A MUNICIPAL BODIES, IT SHOULD BE, UH, WE SHOULD REALLY TRY AND GET THE LEAGUE TO ACT ON OUR BEHALF AS WELL AS THE INDIVIDUAL ACTIONS. YOU DONE KATHY? YES. THANK YOU. SORRY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, YEAH, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF STRIPPING SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS. THE FIRST, WHEREAS IS, UH, BECAUSE IT ISN'T JUST ABOUT THIS BILL, IT'S A LONGER TERM ACTION THAT WE WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT. UH, MY QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS WITHIN OUR CITY BOUNDARIES, THE FEDERAL LANDS, THE FOREST SERVICE LANDS THAT ARE IN HERE, WHAT ARE THEY CURRENTLY ZONED? UM, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNSELOR. MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE HAVE A FOREST DESIGNATION IN OUR CITY CODE AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE. AND SO THAT HAS LIMITATIONS ON WHAT CAN BE DONE ON THAT LAND CURRENTLY. I WAS WONDERING, SO IF THE LAND FOR SOME REASON DID SELL TO A PRIVATE PARTY OR IT WAS EXCHANGED OR WHATEVER, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS TO APPLY FOR REZONE FROM THE COUNCIL IN ORDER TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. I WAS WONDERING IF SOME ADDITIONAL DIRECTION IS REQUIRED FOR US TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND EVEN THINK ABOUT STRENGTHEN IT, WHETHER THERE'S ANY IDEAS TO PROTECT THE FOREST SERVICE LENS OR WITHIN OUR CITY BOUNDARIES, EVEN PERHAPS MORE. PERHAPS THAT'S ENOUGH. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION, BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE THINK ABOUT HERE. DEREK, ANYTHING TO ADD? OKAY. OKAY, THANKS. VICE MAYOR. UH, YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THIS. I WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING IT ON THE AGENDA, SO IT'S, UH, NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. I, UM, I DON'T THINK THE LEAGUE IS GONNA TAKE ANY ACTION, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD TELL THEM TO TAKE ACTION EXACTLY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY CHOOSE TO DO IT OR NOT. UH, SO I SUPPORT THAT AS WELL. AND, UH, THE, I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE, AT LEAST THE NORTHERN ARIZONA MAYORS THROUGH THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, A MAYOR DID SEND OUT A, A LETTER TO EVERY MAYOR TO ASK THEM TO CONTACT THEIR LEGISLATORS. I WOULD NOT ONLY CONTACT OUR, UH, THREE, YOU KNOW, OUR TWO SENATORS AND, AND REPRESENTATIVE, I WOULD SEND IT TO THE ENTIRE DELEGATION, UM, SO THAT ALL OF OUR CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES ARE SENT A COPY OF THIS, WHETHER THEY REPRESENT US PER SE OR NOT. CAN I MELISSA TAG ONTO THAT FOR A SECOND. WE'RE, SEDONA IS AN ECONOMIC ENGINE IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA, ESPECIALLY IN NORTHERN ARIZONA. AND YES, THE WHOLE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF OUR POSITION ON THIS 'CAUSE IT AFFECTS TAX REVENUES TO THE STATE. MELISSA, SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON SECTIONS ONE AND TWO. UM, THEY BOTH REFERENCE ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL ACT, SO I'M ASSUMING WE SHOULD REMOVE IT FROM THERE AS WELL. AND ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK ABOUT THAT IS I'M NOT SURE THAT SENATOR LEE'S GOING TO STOP, UM, PURSUING THIS AND HE COULD CHOOSE [02:10:01] TO PURSUE THIS AS A SEPARATE LAW, A SEPARATE BILL, UM, EVEN IF IT REQUIRES A 60% AND IF WE REFERENCE SOMETHING IN SPECIFIC, UM, I WILL, IT FEELS LIKE WE, WE DAMAGE THE POSSIBILITY OF THIS BEING THAT LONGER TERM WE DON'T WANT THIS, REGARDLESS OF WHERE OR HOW IT HITS THE FLOORS. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU THAT, UH, COUNSELOR DUNN, THAT, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT. SO I, I THINK ALSO BASED ON WHAT I, I AM HEARING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE, MAKE IT EVEN BROADER, UH, YOU KNOW, IN INCLUDED IN A, UM, YOU KNOW, FY 26 BUDGET BILL OR EVEN MORE BROAD, LIKE ANY BILLS NOW OR IN THE FUTURE. I, I DON'T WANT THIS TO JUST TO BE LIMITED TO, UH, FEDERAL, FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET BILL, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT COULD BE NOW OR IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO KEEP COMING UP AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. MAYOR, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC BECAUSE I THINK THEY, WELL, YEAH. MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT WE WOULD WANNA FOLD INTO OUR SOLUTION. WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT. WE HAVE, DEREK WAS GOING TO GO, 'CAUSE YOU GO BEFORE AND I WANNA ADD QUICK COMMENTS. OKAY? SURE. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA DEF DEFINITELY GO TO THE PUBLIC NEXT. DEREK, YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. DIDN'T SOME OF THE LAND THAT WE ANNEXED OVER TOWARD THE DELLS WASN'T THAT, THAT WAS FOREST LAND, RIGHT? SO, BUT DIDN'T THAT COME IN AS FOREST? LIKE FOREST? I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE LOW. IT'S WHATEVER OUR EQUIVALENT ZONING IS. I THOUGHT OUR EQUIVALENT ZONE WAS LIKE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FOR THE NATIONAL FOREST LAND. I THINK IT'S WHATEVER THE COUNTY HAD, ITS ZONED, IT'S WHATEVER OUR EQUIVALENT ZONING, I THINK WAS RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. THE ZONING IS NATIONAL FOREST. YEAH. BUT THE COUNTY AS WELL, SO, OKAY. I THOUGHT SOME OF IT CAME IN AS RESIDENTIAL. SO THE PROPERTY THAT WE OWN AT THE DELLS, OUR CITY OWNED PROPERTY, THAT'S THE CASE. THE, THAT IT'S WHATEVER THE EQUIVALENT RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING THAT THE COUNTY HAD ON OUR PARCEL, THAT'S THE ONE YOU'RE THINKING OF. BUT THE ADDITIONAL ACREAGE THAT WE HAD TO INCLUDE TO GET TO THE WASTEWATER PLAN, THE DO THAT'S STILL OKAY. THAT WAS ONLY QUESTION GO ALONG WITH WHAT HE WAS SAYING. DO WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE? OKAY. ALRIGHT. I, UH, AGREE WITH EVERYTHING AGAIN ON, ON THE DAIS. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THE LEAGUE WILL GET INVOLVED. I THINK THAT, UH, THAT WE, SHE AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS TODAY, AND THEY WOULD PREFER EACH INDIVIDUAL CITY IN TOWN DO IT ON THEIR OWN. I DON'T THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S GONNA GIVE ONE IOTA OF CONCERN ABOUT WHAT THE LEGAL OF CITIES AND TOWN SAYS, BUT THEY WOULD, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ELECTED. THE ALL THE CITIES AND TOWNS, COUNTIES AND WHAT HAVE YOU IN, IN THIS STATE. UH, I THINK THAT VOICE WILL BE HEARD A LITTLE BIT MORE RESONATING WITH THEM THAN THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS. BUT WE CAN ASK THEM IF THEY WANNA DO IT. BUT AGAIN, WE ALL KNOW THAT THEY DO WHAT THEY WANNA DO. SO, UH, SO LET'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. UH, WE'LL START WITH SUPER SUPERVISOR CHECK WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JUDY ALTRO FOR, UH, SENATOR KELLY'S OFFICE. THANK YOU. SO MY NAME IS NIKKI CHECK AND I LIVE IN ROME. UM, I'M HERE NOT ONLY AS YOUR COUNTY SUPERVISOR, UH, BUT ALSO REPRESENTING YOU ALL ON THE, UH, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES PUBLIC LANDS COMMITTEE. UH, SO I SERVE WITH SUPERVISOR PATRICE HORSEMAN OUT OF COCONINO COUNTY. AND, UH, I JUST WANNA ELUCIDATE A COUPLE OF POINTS HERE AND, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS CONVERSATION IS, IS GOING TO CONTINUE. UM, I DO ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION, UH, IN OPPOSITION, UH, TO THE MANDATORY SALE OF 2.3 TO 3.3 MILLION ACRES OF BLM AND, UH, FOREST SERVICE LANDS. UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS IS COMING FROM A DESIRE TO DEVELOP HOUSING AND, UH, THAT'S A HIGHLY OVERSIMPLIFIED, UH, VERSION OF REALITY. UM, AND I THINK IT WAS A VERY, UM, NOT NECESSARILY ILL-CONCEIVED CONCEPT, BUT RECKLESSLY APPLIED, UH, CONCEPT. AND, UH, IN THIS RECONCILIATION BILL, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THIS THOUGHT PROCESS IS THAT, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MANDATING THE SALE OF SOMETHING FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU CANNOT, THE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE CONTROL OVER HOW THAT LAND GETS DEVELOPED. AND SO WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DEALING A LOT WITH, UM, LOCAL CONTROL BEING TAKEN AWAY AT THE STATE LEVEL. AND, AND NOW IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GETS IN THE GAME, IT'S VERY CHAOTIC. UH, CAN THEY ALSO MANDATE THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA WOULD PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER TO, UH, THESE PARCELS? ANOTHER FACET OF THIS CONVERSATION IS HOMEOWNERS [02:15:01] INSURANCE WITH FIRE RISK. UH, MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE EDGE OF THE NATIONAL FOREST HAVE BEEN THOSE THAT HAVE RECEIVED, UH, YOU KNOW, NOTIFICATIONS FROM THEIR INSURANCE COMPANIES. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY COMPLEXITIES TO THE ISSUE OF HOUSING. AND SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT I DON'T SEE, UH, THAT THIS BILL DIRECTLY ADDRESSES THAT IN A MEANINGFUL FASHION. AND THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER LAYERS TO IT, INCLUDING, UH, HOW MUCH INVESTMENT. I THINK IN OUR LAST BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, WE, UH, JUST CELEBRATED $9.5 MILLION BEING INVESTED, UH, BY THE STATE, UH, PARKS AND TRAILS ASSOCIATION GRANTS. SO THAT'S JUST ONE ORGANIZATION IN THE VERDE VALLEY. UH, THERE'S MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT HAVE BEEN INVESTED WITH PUBLIC DOLLARS, UH, INTO THESE TRAIL SYSTEMS. AND, UH, SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, THURSDAY, I'M, I'M TAKING PART IN THAT PUBLIC LANDS COMMITTEE MEETING, AND ON JULY 10TH THROUGH THE 14TH, I'LL BE IN PHILADELPHIA, UH, CONVENING NOT ONLY IN THAT, BUT HOPEFULLY ALSO IN THE RECREATION SUBCOMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE THAT SEDONAS VOICE IS HEARD ON THIS MATTER, NOT JUST NOW, BUT INTO THE FUTURE. SO, THANK YOU. THANK YOU NIKKI, VERY MUCH. CAN I ASK NIKKI A QUESTION? NIKKI? NIKKI, YOU CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR THIS TOPIC. SO ARE, UH, ARE YOU AWARE OF OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE VERDE VALLEY IN YOUR DISTRICT THAT ARE PURSUING THIS TYPE OF RESOLUTION? WELL, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME GO BEYOND THREE MINUTES. I APPRECIATE IT. UM, SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT CLARKDALE ALSO, UH, LOOKED AT A RESOLUTION, UM, IN THEIR AFTERNOON MEETING THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. I HOPE TO HAVE ADDRESS IT IN THE JULY 2ND MEETING, WHICH IS ACTUALLY QUITE RELEVANT. UM, BECAUSE AFTER OUR REGULAR MEETING, WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING SCHEDULED TO DISCUSS, UM, A POTENTIAL INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT WATER RESOURCES AND OPEN SPACE. UH, SO THAT COMMITTEE COULD POTENTIALLY BECOME INCREDIBLY RELEVANT, UH, SHOULD THEY CONTINUE TO PURSUE THAT. SO I'M HOPING THAT THE BOARD WILL SUPPORT THAT COMMITTEE AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE REACHING OUT ABOUT THAT SOON THEREAFTER. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE SUPERVISOR? OKAY, THANK YOU, NICK. IS THIS YOUR FIRST TIME HERE SINCE YOU'VE BEEN ELECTED? NO, I THINK I CAME ONCE, BUT IT'S MY FIRST, I WAS GONNA SAY TIME SITTING UNTIL SEVEN 30, I THINK. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. SORRY ABOUT THAT, NIKKI. OKAY, JUDY, WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY KEVIN ADAMS. HELLO. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BE HERE. UM, I'M JUDY TREP AND I LIVE IN PRESCOTT AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF SENATOR KELLY'S OFFICE. UM, THE SENATOR, UM, IS OPPOSED, UH, TO ANY EFFORT TO FORCE THE SALE OF PUBLIC LANDS. UM, HE CAME OUT, UH, WITH STATEMENTS IN THAT REGARD, UH, KNOWING THAT THEY'RE PART OF WHO WE ARE, UM, AND THAT THEY SUPPORT THE ECONOMY, PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT, AND OFFER ARIZONANS A PLACE TO HIKE, HUNT, PLAY, EXPLORE, UM, SELLING THEM OFF TO GIVE TAX GIVEAWAYS ARE NOT, OR IS A RECKLESS, UM, IDEA FOR HIM. AND SO, UM, HE IS GOING TO KEEP FIGHTING. UM, WE WERE TOLD THIS MORNING THAT OF COURSE IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE BILL. UM, THEY EXPECT IN OUR OFFICE, THEY EXPECT THAT THE BILL IN THE FINAL FORM WILL HIT OUR OFFICE ON THURSDAY. SO, UM, WE ARE EXPECTING AT THAT TIME TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVEN'T SLIPPED SOMETHING ELSE IN. AND WE HAVE OUR EYES ON IT. WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS, UM, WITH COUNTIES AND NIKKI SAT IN A MEETING THE OTHER DAY WITH, UM, DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS. UM, THERE IS A LOT OF, UM, TALK HERE. AND SO I THINK, UM, AS MUCH AS YOU CAN COMMUNICATE, UM, I WOULD SAY YOU DON'T NEED TO, UM, EMPHASIZE YOUR SENATORS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY ON YOUR SIDE. WHAT YOU PROBABLY NEED TO DO IS DEFINITELY MAKE THOSE CALLS AND, UM, CALL THE OTHER, UM, OFFICES, THE CONGRESS OFFICES, ESPECIALLY ELI CRANE, UM, PAUL GOSAR. MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT THAT IT WOULD HAVE ON YOUR TOWN. SO, UM, AND I THINK THAT'S IT. UM, HE ALSO, UM, DID WRITE THE SAVE OUR FOREST ACT. UM, IT HAS NOT, UM, PROGRESSED, BUT THAT IS TO FULLY FUND THE FOREST SERVICE, WHICH WE KNOW HAS, UM, BEEN DEFUNDED FOR A LOT OF OUR STAFF RIGHT NOW. AND SO, YEAH, WE WILL, UM, TAKE THE RESOLUTION TO THE SENATOR AND, UM, HIS STAFF IS STANDING BY TO KEEP A TRACK. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR JUDY? I HAVE A QUESTION. [02:20:01] SO YOU'RE EXPECTING TO RECEIVE THE FINAL BILL THIS THURSDAY? YES, THAT IS WHAT, UM, OUR OFFICE HAS BEEN TOLD. SO, SO THEN THEY WOULD SCHEDULE A, IT'S OUT OF COMMITTEE, IT WOULD BE A FULL SENATE VOTE. SO, UM, I THINK THEY GIVE 24 HOURS FOR YOU TO REVIEW THE BILL. SO, UM, AT THAT TIME THE STAFF WILL BE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WILL BE ON BOARD TO, TO REVIEW AND THEN THEY GO INTO THE, WHAT THEY CALL VOTER ORAMA. THEY WILL STAY THERE AND VOTE UNTIL THEY GET IT PASSED THROUGH. SO TI TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE? YES, IT IS, YES. ALTHOUGH WE DO KNOW THAT IT, THIS IN THIS FORM WAS PULLED OUT. RIGHT. BUT WE EXPECT THAT MAYBE, UM, THERE WILL BE, UH, SOMETHING FOR BLM LAND. SO WE, WE STILL NEED TO KEEP AN EYE OUT. SO, SO DO YOU HAVE ANY FEEL FOR WHETHER IT'LL BE A SEPARATE BILL OR THEY'LL JUST TRY TO MANIPULATE IT, CHANGING SOME OF THE LANGUAGE AND STICK IT BACK IN? I THINK, I THINK THAT YES, THAT YOU COULD SEE A BILL COMING DOWN THE WAY, WHETHER IT COMES TO THE FLOOR, THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION BECAUSE IT WAS ALSO PULLED FROM THE HOUSE REPRESENTATIVES, REMEMBER ORIGINALLY. SO, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO GET THROUGH BOTH HOUSES. BUT I THINK, UM, ANY COMMUNICATION THAT YOU HAVE STRONG COMING OUT, YOU KNOW, PROACTIVELY IS, IS REALLY IMPORTANT SO THAT IT'S, IT'S CLEAR WHAT THE VOTERS AND WHAT THE CITIES AND TOWNS, YOU KNOW, REPRESENT. THANK YOU, JUDY. YOU BET. THANK YOU. THANKS. OKAY. UH, KEVIN ADAMS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY PEGGY CHAKIN. KEVIN ADAMS, VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK MAYOR JABO, THANK YOU FOR MOVING THIS UP. YOU WERE GETTING PAST MY BEDTIME THERE. VICE MAYOR PLU COUNSELORS, CITY STAFF. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, I WEAR A FEW HATS HERE LOCALLY AND AROUND THE STATE. I'M HERE TONIGHT WEARING MY VERDE VALLEY CYCLIST COALITION HAT, COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE VVCC. WE'RE A COALITION OF 358 MEMBERS WITH OVER HALF WITH A SEDONA ADDRESS AND THERE WAS AN AUDIENCE HERE, BUT THAT'S PAST THEIR BEDTIME TONIGHT. BUT I DO HAVE SOME STILL HERE. I WANNA COMMEND THE CITY FOR PLACING THIS RESOLUTION ON THE AGENDA AND COUNCIL AND URGE COUNCIL TO PROVE THE RESOLUTION OPPOSING THE MANDATORY DISPOSITION OF OUR PUBLIC LANDS. MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS BILL IS THE OPENING SALVO IN A BROADER ASSAULT ON PUBLIC LANDS. AS A RETIRED MARINE CORPS FIELD GRADE OFFICER, I KNOW WHAT AN ASSAULT LOOKS LIKE AND THAT DEFENDING AGAINST ONE TAKES BOTH IMMEDIATE TACTICAL ACTION AND STRATEGIC STEPS. LATE YESTERDAY EVENING, AS WAS TOLD, THE LAND SALES WAS REMOVED AS A TECHNICALITY THAT SAID, SENATOR LEE AND HIS SUPPORTERS ARE ALWAYS POISED TO SELL PUBLIC LAND. THE VVCC IS AWARE OF IDEAS MADE TO BOTH THE CITY AND THE FOREST SERVICE. I MIGHT SAY I PROBABLY SENT SOME OF THOSE THAT WOULD STRENGTHEN PROTECTIONS FOR THESE LANDS. WE STRONGLY E ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO ACT ON THOSE IDEAS, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE CURRENT LEGAL FRAMEWORKS. ONE PARTICULAR ACTIONABLE STEP WOULD BE ESTABLISH A CITY NON-MOTORIZED TRAILS COORDINATOR, A POSITION WIDELY SUPPORTED BY OUR OUTDOOR RECREATION COMMUNITY. IT WOULD SUPPORT NOT ONLY CONSERVATION, BUT SEDONAS GOALS FOR MOBILITY, ACCESS AND SUSTAINABILITY. BECAUSE HERE'S THE TRUTH, ONCE PUBLIC LANDS ARE GONE, THEY'RE GONE FOR GOOD. IN SEDONA, OUR PUBLIC LANDS ARE A GEOLOGICAL RARE LIVING CLASSROOM WHERE HERMIT SHELL MELTS BENEATH THE S NEBBY HILLS, SANDSTONE S SCULPTING, ICONIC STRUCTURES THAT DRAW MILLIONS ANNUALLY. WE HIKE THESE LANDS, RIDE THEM, PHOTOGRAPH THEM, AND THANKS TO WELL PROTECTED AND MAINTAINED TRAILS, WE PROTECT THEM. WHAT WE DON'T DO IS SELL THEM. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. KEVIN. PEGGY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY BRIT LOWENSTEIN. HELLO, . IT IS GETTING LATE. UM, THANK YOU. NAME AND CITY OF PEGGY CHAKIN. I LIVE IN SEDONA. UM, I WASN'T ABLE TO BRING MY SIGN IN. I HAVE MY SIGN PARKED OUT THERE WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT. IT SAYS IN BIG LETTERS. THANK YOU. CITY OF SEDONA COUNCIL. IT SAYS LANDS NOT FOR SALE. PUBLIC LANDS NOT FOR SALE. IT WAS USED IN A MARCH RECENTLY. ANYWAY, I JUST WANNA SAY, UM, I AM, UH, ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF FRIENDS OF THE VERDE RIVER, AND PRESENTLY I'M ON THE BOARD OF KEEP [02:25:01] SEDONA BEAUTIFUL. UM, ETT AND I, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO DID A TOUR OF THE SAVANNAH AREA BETWEEN, UH, THE CITY OF SEDONA AND COTTONWOOD. WE TOOK, UH, SEVERAL VAN LOADS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE TO LEARN ABOUT HOW THE SAVANNAH WORKS AS A SPONGE. THIS IS NATIONAL FOREST LAND THAT, UH, ABSORBS WATER AND FEEDS THE AQUIFER THAT KEEPS THE VERDE RIVER FLOWING. WE DO NOT RELY ON RAINWATER FOR OUR WATER. WE RELY ON GROUNDWATER FOR THE MOST PART. WE ARE IN A DROUGHT THAT'S THE LONGEST DROUGHT. THEY SAY IN 1200 YEARS WE ARE HERE LIVING IN A HIGH DESERT REGION. WE CANNOT JUST THINK AND ASSUME THAT WE CAN PLUG IN ANOTHER ANTHEM DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA BETWEEN COTTONWOOD AND SEDONA OR DEVELOP THESE PUBLIC LANDS TO SELL THEM OFF TO DEVELOPERS TO MAKE HOUSING FOR US. UNTIL WE REACH THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO PROVIDE WATER FOR PEOPLE, WE WANNA HAVE, UH, DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE TOILET TO TAP. OKAY, SAY THAT RIGHT OUT. I AGREE WITH OUR REPRESENTATIVE, UM, NIKKI CHECK IN SAYING THAT THIS IS LIKE A SIMPLISTIC SHORT TERM INFANTILE VIEW OF SELLING OFF AND FOR PROFIT, UH, PUBLIC LANDS. IT'S DESPICABLE. AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU AS I HAVE ON MY SIGNED UP THERE IN LARGE, BOLD LETTERS. THANK YOU, CITY OF SEDONA COUNCIL FOR STANDING UP AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS OTHER RESOLUTION SAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT OFF, BE READY WITH OUR STATEMENTS THAT THIS IS, THIS IS OUR LIVELIHOOD, THIS IS OUR ECONOMY, THIS IS OUR WATER, THIS IS OUR LIFE, AND WE LIVE IN A DESERT. LET'S BE REAL ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU PEGGY. ALRIGHT, BRIT, WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, TIM PERRY ETT, AGAIN, NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE ETT LOWENSTEIN. I, UM, HAVE A POSTAL ADDRESS OF SEDONA, BUT I LIVE DOWN AT THE RED ROCK STREET PARK IN UNINCORPORATED Y BAYI COUNTY. UM, THIS IS A, A TRIVIAL REMARK. I'M MAKING BRING THE MIC CLOSER. UM, I WANT TO MAKE IT ANYWAY, , UM, ON YOUR PACKAGE. UM, PAGE 86. UM, THE THIRD BULLET SAYS THAT THE BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT OWNS, OWNS OVER 245 MILLION ACRES AND THE FOREST SERVICE OWNS 193 MILLION ACRES. THEY DON'T OWN ANY LAND. THE LAND, OF COURSE, IS FEDERAL LAND, BUT SOMETIMES SIMPLE WORDING, UH, CAN THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SIT IN THE BRAIN. THANK YOU. SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT IT OUT. UM, I ALSO WANT TO TELL YOU THAT, UM, I I AM GREATLY PLE UH, PLEASED ABOUT, UH, THE CITY TAKING, UM, THE, UM, A PROJECT OF, UM, A RESOLUTION TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE CITY IS FULLY AGAINST THE, UM, UM, SELLING OF THE PUBLIC LANDS. AND, UM, IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD HAVE, UH, INCORPORATED THE IMPORTANCE THAT THE LAND THAT, UM, WE WANT TO PROTECT IS CRUCIAL, AS PEGGY POINTED OUT, IS CRUCIAL FOR THE LONG-TERM USE, UM, THAT IT BE BIOLOGICALLY INTACT. AND, UM, MANY PEOPLE MIGHT NOT KNOW THE, UM, IMPORTANCE OF THE BIOLOGICAL PROPERTIES, OF THE LANDS IN THE VARIOUS, UH, ZONES FOR OF BIOLOGICAL, UH, RULES. UM, SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. THANK YOU BRIT. OKAY, TIM PERRY. GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN UPTOWN SEDONA. I WANNA THANK YOU GUYS FOR BRINGING THIS ITEM UP ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE ONCE AGAIN SHOWED THE PEOPLE OF SEDONA JUST HOW NAKED YOUR SELFISHNESS AND ELITISM IS. THANK YOU FOR SHOWING US AGAIN, JUST HOW DESPERATE YOU ARE TO KEEP OTHER PEOPLE OUT OF SEDONA. WE HEAR THE LIE ALL THE [02:30:01] TIME FROM CITY BUREAUCRATS THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WE CAN'T HAVE HOUSING IS WELL, WE'RE ALMOST BUILT OUT. THERE'S NO MORE LAND LEFT. REALITY IS THERE'S ENOUGH LAND LEFT IN SEDONA TO BUILD ABOUT 3,500 HOUSES, HOUSES, NOT APARTMENT CRAP. BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. IF THE LAND SHORTAGE MYTH WERE INDEED TRUE, WE OUGHT TO BE HEARING PLEAS FROM THIS COUNCIL FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO SELL THE LAND FOR HOUSING. INSTEAD, WE'RE HEARING OBSTRUCTION. WHY, OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE QUITE CONCERNED THAT, UH, A BUNCH OF NEW HOUSING WOULD FORCE DOWN THE PRICES ON THEIR OWN PROPERTIES AND THEY'RE BUSY TRYING TO, UH, TURN SEDONA INTO A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY AND SLAM THE GATE AFTER THEM. BUT THERE ARE LARGER AND MORE SYSTEMIC REASONS, LIKE THE MAIN REASON THIS COUNCIL HAS REFUSED TO DO ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL TOWARDS ACTUALLY GETTING HOUSING BUILT. BECAUSE IF IT DID BUILD HOUSING THAT ORDINARY PEOPLE MIGHT LIVE IN, THE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT MOVE INTO THAT HOUSING MIGHT BE FORMERLY RURAL ARIZONANS, WHO WOULDN'T PUT UP WITH YOUR BIG CITY B******T AND WOULD VOTE YOU OUT OF OFFICE. ONE OF THIS COUNCIL'S MAIN INTERESTS IS MAKING SURE THE HOUSING THAT DOES GET BUILT HERE IS KEPT TO A MERE TRICKLE OF EXPENSIVE HIGH-END HOUSING THAT CAN MOST LIKELY BE BOUGHT BY OTHER COASTAL ELITES WHO WILL VOTE YOU BACK INTO OFFICE AND HELP YOU CONTINUE WITH YOUR PLANS FOR MAKING SEDONA ONE OF THOSE BIG CITIES YOU SUPPOSEDLY FLED. OF COURSE, THIS ALSO, UH, EXPRESSES GENERALIZED SUPPORT FOR KEEPING THE CONTROL OF OUR SUPPOSED PUBLIC LANDS IN THE HANDS OF AN ELITIST BUREAUCRACY. AND IT ALSO ALLOWS YOU TO BE PERFORMATIVELY OPPOSED TO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. YOU ALL PRETEND TO, SO TO SIZE. BUT I DON'T SEE A RESOLUTION ON THIS COUNCIL AGENDA SUGGESTING THAT THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL SEND OUT LETTERS OPPOSING THIS ADMINISTRATION'S ILLEGAL ABDUCTIONS OR WARMONGERING OR, OH, WHAT ELSE IS ON THE LIST? IT'S SO LONG THESE DAYS, BUT WHEN IT COULD AFFECT YOUR OWN PROPERTY VALUES AND CAUSE YOU CROWDING, THAT'S WHERE YOU DRAW THE LINE. BRAVO COUNSEL, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR SHOWING US THAT SEDONA DOES NOT HAVE A HOUSING PROBLEM. IT HAS A SELFISHNESS PROBLEM. OKAY, BEFORE I CLOSE OUT THIS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, I DO WANT TO READ AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO THE COUNCIL BY COUNCILOR FOLTZ, WHO IS ACTUALLY OUT HAVING A FANTASTIC FAMILY, UH, ENGAGEMENT, A WEDDING AND SOME OTHER TIME OFF. BUT HE DID NOT WANNA BE REMISS AND WITHOUT SAYING HIS, UH, POINT OF VIEW FOR THIS, TO MY FELLOW MEMBERS OF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL AND TO THE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA AND THE VERDE VALLEY, I WISH TO EXPRESS MY TOTAL OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED SENATE AMENDMENT TO THE ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL. NOW BEING CONSIDERED BY CONGRESS, THE US FOREST SERVICE LANDS IN OUR AREA SHOULD REMAIN UNDER THE MANAGEMENT OF THE US FOREST SERVICE AND NOT BE SOLD OFF. IN FACT, THE AVAILABLE BUDGET FOR THE US FOREST SERVICE TO SUPPORT THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR LANDS SHOULD BE INCREASED, NOT DECREASED. AS WE HAVE BEEN OBSERVING IN THE PAST YEAR, I WISH TO EXPRESS MY FULL SUPPORT IN THE DRAFT MOTION CONTAINED IN THE PACKET FOR THIS ITEM. I WISH TO FURTHER EXPRESS MY, A DESIRE TO SEE MY COLLEAGUES PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF, TO PROPOSE STRATEGIES TO COUNSEL THAT MAY BE USED TO RESTRICT ANY POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR FEDERAL LANDS SHOULD THEY ULTIMATELY BE SOLD OFF AGAINST OUR COMMUNITY'S WISHES. WITH BEST REGARDS, BRIAN FOLTZ. SEDONA CITY COUNCIL. I'M GONNA CLOSE THIS PORTION AND UM, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE. UM, ARE YOU, ARE WE READY TO TAKE A VOTE? I COMMENTS? OH, YES, I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. COMMENTS? UM, I'M SORRY. JUST HAVE TO GET BACK UP TO WHAT THIS IS. UM, SO I DO THINK THAT THE, BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE, THIS WAS PULLED OUT OF THE BIG BILL, UM, THE WORDING OF THE DRAFT RESOLUTION THAT WE HAD BEFORE US NEEDS TO CHANGE. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY WHAT I THOUGHT BEFORE MAKING RESOLUTION, WHAT I THOUGHT MAY WE MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER AND I WOULD LEAVE IT AT FORMALLY OPPOSING THE MANDATORY DISPOSAL BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT LAND AND NATIONAL FOREST SYSTEM LAND. AND I WOULD LEAVE IT AT THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER IN THE FUTURE, WHAT MAY COME FORWARD THAT THEY WANNA CHANGE. IT CURRENTLY READS FOR HOUSING PROVISION. UM, AND I, I WOULD TAKE OUT EVERYTHING AND LEAVE IT WITH WHAT I JUST WROTE, WHAT I JUST READ AND AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AND DELIVER A LETTER OF FEDERAL REPRESENTATIVES TO THIS EFFECT. AND THE CITY, [02:35:01] ARIZONA LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS POST HASTE. I WOULD ADD THAT LANGUAGE IN SO I WOULD REMOVE THAT MIDDLE PART. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE WERE COMMENTS TO THAT TO BE TAKEN BEFORE A FORMAL MOTION GOES ONTO THE FLOOR. MM-HMM . I'M GOOD WITH THAT. MM-HMM . HOLLY? YEP. OKAY, THEN I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. . OKAY. SURPRISE . UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 1111 FORMALLY OPPOSING THE MANDATORY DISPOSAL OF BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT LAND. DON'T WE HAVE TO SAY AS AMENDED, BECAUSE SHE'S GONNA TAKE OUT THOSE WAREHOUSE CLAUSES AND THINGS. I'M, I'M READING. UH, YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. I WILL, I WILL, I WILL. OKAY. OKAY. I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 11 FORMALLY OPPOSING THE MANDATORY DISPOSAL BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT LAND AND NATIONAL SYSTEM FOREST SYSTEM LAND FOR AND AUTHORIZE AS AMENDED AT COUNCIL AND DIRECTING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AND DELIVER A LETTER TO FEDERAL REPRESENTATIVES AND TO THE ARIZONA LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS TO THIS EFFECT POST HASTE. SECOND, LET'S HAVE DISCUSSION. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS. DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS EVERYBODY? I THOUGHT SO, BUT WE DID DELIVERED. DIDN'T. OKAY. THEY, THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING. THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING. DON'T. OKAY. ALRIGHT THEN AS, AS THE MOTION. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR? OH WAIT, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? YES, PETE. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. OKAY. MONIQUE, DO YOU KNOW HOW TO AMEND IT? Y YES. YES I DO. I'M GONNA MAKE IT VERY BROAD. IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, I, I TOOK A LOT OF NOTES, BUT IT'S GONNA BE VERY BROAD. IT'S GOING TO BE OPPOSING, UM, ANY MANDATORY DISPOSAL OF BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT LAND, NATIONAL FOREST SYSTEM LAND, UH, FOR ANY REASON AND INTRODUCE, UH, UH, NOW OR IN FUTURE. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY WANNA READ IT BEFORE IT GETS SENT? I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER COUNCIL MEETING AND WE HAVE SOME TIME CONSTRAINTS, BUT, UM, SINCE I OFFERED SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS, WOULD YOU MIND BEFORE IT GOES OUT JUST SENDING IT TO ME TO MAKE SURE IT'S REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WE AGREED. OKAY. WELL, JUST TO KEEP IN MIND, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. I'M LEAVING FOR A FLIGHT TOMORROW NIGHT. WELL, MY MOTION SAID POST HASTE, SO I WAS ASSUMING THIS WOULD BE DONE TOMORROW. YEAH, WELL I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IF YOU WANT THEM TO GO TO YOU TO BE CHECKED, IT'S A QUICK, I'M JUST LETTING AND WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING TOMORROW, SO YOU HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING TOMORROW, BUT AFTER THAT I, I RIGHT. JUST LETTING YOU PEOPLE, EVERYBODY KNOW. YEAH. YEAH. SO, OKAY, UH, WE'LL BE TAKING A UH, 20 MINUTE BREAK TILL EIGHT O'CLOCK. CAN YOU HANG IN THERE DIANA ? SHE'S HERE. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT, WE ARE BACK. [8.b. AB 3111 Discussion/possible action regarding the award of a construction contract for the Dry Creek Road Shared-Use Pathway Improvements Project, Gringo Road to White Bear Road, to Doege Development LLC, in an amount not to exceed $1,930,259.00.] WE'RE NOW WITH ITEM B, AB 31 11 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE, THE AWARD OF A CONS CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR THE DRY CREEK ROAD SHARED USE PATHWAY IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT, GRINGER ROAD TO WHITE BEAR ROAD TO DOGE DEVELOPMENT LLC IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $1,930,259 EVEN. OKAY, I'M GOING TO, HEY SANDY. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SANDY PHILLIPS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ASSISTANT CITY ENGINEER. AND I'VE GOT JONATHAN, OUR ASSOCIATE ENGINEER, WHO RUNS A LOT OF OUR SHARED USE PATHS. HE'S GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AND HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK ON THIS PROJECT. AND WE'VE GOT KURT, OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, KURT HARRIS, TO, UM, HELP US OUT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE. SO I'M GONNA JUMP IN. UM, WE ARE VERY EXCITED AND I KNOW IT'S VERY LATE, SO WE'RE SUPER EXCITED TO BRING THIS PROJECT TO YOU. UM, DRY CREEK IS ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED IN THE GO PLAN AS A SCENIC PATHWAY AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR THIS. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO BE ON SOME OF THE, UM, SECOND PHASE. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT A PHOTO UP THERE. UM, WE'VE MEANDERED IT, GOT SOME TREES THAT WE'VE, UM, PRESERVED AND UM, THIS PATHWAY IS MOVING ALONG AND THIS IS GONNA BE YET ANOTHER CONNECTION THAT BRINGS US DOWN TO THE LIBRARY. THIS PATHWAY. UM, WE'RE STARTING FROM THE NORTH AND BRINGING IT DOWN TO THE SOUTH. SO THIS PROJECT, WHAT WE'RE CALLING PHASE THREE WILL HAVE A PORTION THAT'S DECOMPOSED, GRANITE AND ALSO CONCRETE. BUT I DO WANNA TOUCH ON, THIS [02:40:01] IS NOT THE FINAL PIECE. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE PIECES AND WE'LL TOUCH ON THAT AS WE GET TO SOME OF THE EXHIBITS. SO AS WE ALL KNOW, DRY CREEK IS A VERY BUSY ROADWAY WITHIN THE CITY. UH, IT'S UM, WE FOUND SOME GREAT PICTURES THAT SHOW SOME OF THE CONFLICTS THAT HAPPEN WITH THE RVS AND BICYCLISTS GOING UP AND DOWN DRY CREEK AND IT'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE ON THE PHOTO. ON THE LEFT WE'VE GOT SOME, UH, OFF-ROAD VEHICLES, A PINK JEEP AND THE PERSON'S TRYING TO COME OUT COLOR COVE AND, AND MERGE THROUGH THIS TRAFFIC. SO THERE'S A HISTORY OF EXCESSIVE SPEEDING A LITTLE BIT, UM, SOME DISTRACTED DRIVERS A LOT. AND, UM, THE BIKE PEDS TRYING TO ALSO USE THIS ROADWAY. UM, I DO WANNA TOUCH ON WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, UH, WE DID RESEARCH FOR THE POLICE RECORDS. WE'VE RECENTLY HAD ONE FATALITY, UM, BUT WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE INJURY THAT OCCURRED ON DRY CREEK JUST NORTH OF ARROYO SECO, AND THEN ONE NON-INJURY. SO IN FIVE YEARS WE'VE ONLY HAD THOSE THREE ACCIDENTS. THE REST OF THE ACCIDENTS PRIMARILY WERE DOWN ON 89 A. UM, THIS PROJECT IS, UM, WE DID RUN IT THROUGH THE MATRIX EVEN THOUGH IT WAS SCHEDULED FOR, UM, THIS FISCAL YEAR FY 25 AND 26, IT'S WHEN WE PUT IT THROUGH THE MATRIX WITH THE SCORING, IT DID COME UP AS IMPERATIVE AND A MUST DO. AND, UH, I DO WANNA SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EXCESSIVE SPEEDING. 'CAUSE WE HEAR THAT A LOT FROM THE RESIDENTS WHEN WE'VE BEEN OUT AND DOING OUR OUTREACH THAT I KNOW WHEN I'M STANDING BY THE ROADWAY AND SOMEONE GOES BY FAST, IT HAS A BIG IMPACT. UM, BUT WE HAVE DONE, UM, SOME, UH, CAMERAS OR HOW WE TRACK TRAFFIC AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THE AVERAGE SPEED IS WITHIN TWO TO THREE MILES AN HOUR OF WHAT'S POSTED. SO AT GRINGO ROAD SOUTH, THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT IS 25, BUT FROM GRINGO NORTH IT'S 35. AND BOTH OF THOSE SPEED LIMITS WE HAD CAMERAS OR TRACKING BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH OF GREENO. AND, UM, WITHIN TWO TO THREE MILES AN HOUR WAS THE AVERAGE SPEED. WE HAD A CHANCE, WE'VE, UM, BEEN WORKING ON OUR PRESENTATION SKILLS AND SO WE HAD A PR CHANCE TO DO THIS PRACTICE PRESENTATION, UM, WITH COMMANDER DOW AND HE BROUGHT UP A VERY GOOD POINT TO MAKE SURE AND MENTION THE THREE ES BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SPEED, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL TALK ABOUT, WELL, WE NEED ENFORCEMENT. WELL, HE SAID IT'S THREE S, IT'S ENGINEERING, EDUCATION AND ENFORCEMENT. AND SO WE'RE, AS STAFF, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY NEED TO SLOW DOWN. AND PART OF THAT IS THE SHARED USE PATHS. SO I TALKED A LITTLE BIT, SO THE YELLOW LINE ON THIS EXHIBIT IS WHAT'S COMPLETE THE BLUE LINE OR TEAL LINE IS THIS PROJECT. UM, THE YELLOW LINE THAT GOES HORIZONTAL IS THE, UM, NOVO PROJECT THAT GOES, UM, FROM DRY CREEK INTO, UH, BACK BEHIND THE LIBRARY. AND THE MAGENTA LINE IS THROUGH THE STATE LAND. WE DO HAVE AN EASEMENT FOR THAT AND SO WE'RE MOVING AHEAD WITH THAT PROJECT. WHAT WE DON'T SHOW RIGHT NOW IS THE PROJECT THAT GOES FROM WHITE BEAR SOUTH TO 89 A THAT IS IN PROCESS AND WE WILL BE WORKING ON THAT THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR. AND THAT WILL BE COMING BEFORE YOU. I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT IN MARCH OF 2025, WE SENT OUT 168 LETTERS TO THE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA THAT WOULD BE DRIVING THROUGH THIS PROJECT. AND, UM, WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR AND ALSO THEIR ROYAL SECO PRESIDENT. SO WE'VE DONE, WE CONTINUE TO DO SIGNIFICANT OUTREACH. WE HAVE A WEBSITE THAT'S BEEN UP SINCE PHASE ONE. WE HAVE ONGOING, EVERY TIME SOMEONE ASKS TO BE ADDED TO THE LIST, THEY'RE ADDED AND WE SEND OUT EMAILS TO KEEP PEOPLE UP TO DATE. I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT THE CITY IS INVESTING IN BIKE PED INFRASTRUCTURE. THE CITY IS DEMONSTRATING THEIR COMMITMENT TO PROVIDING SAFE AND CONVENIENT ALTERNATIVES TO CARS AND ENCOURAGING A HEALTHIER LIFESTYLE. SO AGAIN, THE PERCEPTION OF SPEED IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE'RE IGNORING. AND IT IS IMPORTANT. WE'VE ADDED TWO SPEED [02:45:01] TABLES AND THERE'S ALSO A THIRD ONE FURTHER UP. SO THE ONE ON THE LEFT, LOWER LEFT IS A SPEED TABLE THAT'S JUST PASSED THE FOREST SERVICE 1 52 THAT GOES INTO THE VOLTI TRAILHEAD. THE SPEED TABLE ON THE TOP IS JUST NORTH OF COLOR COVE AND THE OTHER ONE IS, UM, JUST NORTH OF CAMINO DE CABIO. UM, SPEED TABLES ARE WHEN THEIR IN PAIRS DO HELP REDUCE SPEEDS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR OFTEN IS PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE STOP SIGNS, UM, STOP SIGNS, UH, ACCORDING TO THE M-U-T-C-D IS NOT AN APPLICATION TO REDUCE SPEEDS. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. AND AGAIN, SHARED USE PATHS, CURBING, UM, TREES, ALL, THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP SPEED, BUT THE SPEED ON DRY KE CREEK IS PRIMARILY PERCEIVED AND IT DOES NOT EXCEED THE POSTED SPEED BY TWO TO THREE MILES AN HOUR. I AM RUNNING OUTTA ROOM ON THIS SLIDE. I'M PRETTY EXCITED WE HAVE HIT, UM, THIS ONE, THIS PROJECT WILL TAKE US TO 10 MILES THAT WE'VE CONSTRUCTED AND WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED. SO COMING UP, UM, AFTER THIS PROJECT, WELL, JONATHAN JUST STARTED YESTERDAY, THE ANTE PROJECT, SO CONGRATULATIONS, IT'S TAKEN A WHILE TO GET THAT ONE OFF THE GROUND. WE'RE VERY EXCITED. UM, COMING UP IT'LL BE SHELBY, UH, SHELBY TWO THAT'S GONNA BE COMING BEFORE YOU AS A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. WE'RE WRAPPING UP THE DESIGN ON THAT. ON DANTE I MENTIONED BREWER ROAD. WE'VE, UM, IT'S, WE'VE APPLIED FOR A GRANT ON THAT AND WE SHOULD FIND OUT EARLY JULY. AND THEN COFFEE POT IS A REAL IMPORTANT PROJECT TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THE DESIGN NOW, WORKING THROUGH THE OUTREACH PROCESS AND, UM, EASEMENTS AND EVERYTHING. SO THAT'S NOT COMPLETELY DESIGNED. GO AHEAD, KAATH ELLA, THE GRANT THAT YOU WERE SEEKING ON BREWER, HOW, HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHY, WHY FOR BREWER VERSUS FOR THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, DRY CREEK OR FOOD, WHAT, WHAT UM, HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHICH ONES YOU'RE ASKING FOR GRANTS ON? SURE. UH, THE MATRIX HAS BECOME PART OF THAT, BUT ALSO ON BREWER ROAD, YOU'LL RECALL WE GOT A, A SMALL DESIGN GRANT, UM, WITH ADOT AND UM, IT'S CALLED A TRAFFIC TRANSPORTATION. UH, TIA, I'M SORRY, I GET STUCK ON THE ACRONYMS AND I FORGET WHAT THE REAL MEANING IS. TRANSPORTATION ENHANCEMENT TRANSP. SO WE GOT A SMALL GRANT FOR THE DESIGN AND SO THAT MADE US JUMP THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS AND SO IT MAKES SENSE SINCE WE MET THE NEPA, WE MET THE CLEARANCE, WE MET THE, ALL THOSE THINGS TO CONTINUE ON. SO THEN WE'VE CHECKED ALL THE BOXES, SO WE'RE GONNA, UM, CONTINUE ON WITH THAT. AND THAT'S WHY WE APPLIED FOR THAT GRANT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE THE MATRIX HELPS YOU DECIDE WHAT TO PURSUE AS A GRANT, BUT HAVING A GRANT INCREASES THE MATRIX VALUE. SO IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING , SO THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER. BUT ALSO COFFEE POT, UM, IT, IT ALSO TICK SOME BOXES BY THE DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CONNECTION AND THAT IT BRINGS YOU DOWN TO COMMERCIAL. SO THAT, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE LOOK AT. GO AHEAD, VICE MAYOR, THIS ACTUALLY IS A QUESTION TO ANDY AND YOU PROMPTED MY THINKING SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC, BREWER ROAD, WE ASKED FOR A DESIGNATION IN THE BUDGET, RIGHT? FOR THE BREWER ROAD ROUNDABOUT. OH YES. ANY UPDATES ON THAT? SO WE JUST HEARD LAST WEEK THAT WE DID NOT GET AWARDED THAT GRANT FOR THAT, FOR THAT PROJECT. UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE STILL, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE JUST HEARD TODAY ACTUALLY THAT IT'S LOOKING LIKE WE WILL GET THE GRANT FOR THE FOREST ROAD ROUNDABOUT. SO THAT'S PROMISING. AND THAT WAS A LOT MORE FUNDING THAT WE HAD REQUESTED FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. SO, WELL ONE OF 'EM WAS STATE MONEY AND ONE FEDERAL MONEY OR YES. YEAH, YEAH. THE BREWER RANGER WAS WAS FEDERAL. YEAH, CONGRESSIONAL. RIGHT. DISCRETIONARY AND THE FED AND THE FOREST ROAD PROJECT IS STATE, WHICH IS TURNS OUT TO BE A VERY GOOD THING BECAUSE WE CAN ADMINISTER. YEAH. GIVEN, GIVEN THAT THE FOREST ROAD ROUNDABOUT IS IN ADOT RIGHT OF WAY, WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO ADMINISTER THAT PROJECT EVEN THOUGH, UM, IT'S IN THEIR RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE IT'S STATE FUNDING. A LOT OF TIMES WHEN GR WHEN ADOT IS DOING THE PROJECT, THEY'LL BRING IN FEDERAL MONEY AND THEN IT BRINGS IN A WHOLE LOT OF ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH FOR THE PROJECT. SO WE LUCKED OUT ON THAT IT AND THE COST. SO BY NOT HAVING [02:50:01] FEDERAL FUNDING, WE CAN KEEP THE COST AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. RIGHT. GREAT. WELL THANK YOU. THANKS FOR INDULGING ME IN THAT. NO WORRIES. SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, TO JONATHAN TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT SPECIFICALLY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THIS CHART, THE LOWEST QUALIFIED BID WAS DOJI. THAT'S ACTUALLY THE WAY TO SAY IT. IT'S TAKEN ME ONLY ABOUT FOUR MONTHS TO REMEMBER HOW TO PRONOUNCE THAT NAME, BUT IT'S DOJI AND YOU CAN SEE THERE IT'S 1.9 MILLION. I JUST KIND OF WANT TO GET INTO THE PROJECT ITSELF. DOJI MEANS DOJI, YEAH. TELL HIM WHAT IT MEANS IN GERMAN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS BY GERMAN. NO I DON'T . COME ON BIG BOSS MAN. I DON'T SAID IT WAS LIKE, IT MEANT, UM, SOMETHING COMPLIMENTARY. DOES IAN REMEMBER? IS THAT, I DON'T KNOW. I DID NOT HEAR THAT. ANYWAY, NEVERMIND. WASN'T ME. ALRIGHT, CONTINUE ON . SO JUST KIND OF GETTING INTO THE PROJECT ITSELF WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKSTORY, UH, WITH WHAT'S BEEN COMPLETED THROUGH PHASE ONE AND TWO OF DRY CREEK ROAD, THAT SECTION'S IN, UH, DECOMPOSED GRANITE, AND THIS KIND OF GETS INTO THE CONSTRAINTS OF THIS LAST PHASE. WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS, AND I CAN BACK THIS UP, THIS IS A GOOD LITTLE PICTURE TO SHOW KIND OF REALLY WHAT'S GOING ON. THE SECTION THAT'S COMPLETED IN THE YELLOW IS DECOMPOSED GRANITE AND IT HAS MORE OF A, I WOULD SAY MORE OF A RULE ASPECT TO IT. THE LOTS ARE LARGER, NOT AS MANY HOUSES ADJOINING. THE RIGHT OF WAY IS A HUNDRED FEET WIDE. WE'VE GOT ALL THE ROOM WE NEED TO PLOW A SHARED USE PATH THROUGH THERE AND IT LOOK AND FIT NICELY. DRAINAGE IMPACTS ARE MINIMIZED, IT'S RELATIVELY EASY. BUT WHAT WE HAVE WHEN WE START GETTING DOWN INTO THIS TURQUOISE AREA, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT JUST STARTS TO NARROW. SO THERE'S MORE HOUSES, IT STARTS KIND OF TURNING INTO MORE OF A, UM, COMMERCIAL AREA. SO NOW WE'VE STILL GOTTA FIT ALL OF THESE DESIGN FEATURES INTO A NARROWER PLACE TO WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAY NOW GETS DOWN TO ABOUT 66 FEET. SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHEN WE START INTO THIS LAST PHASE. AND THAT ALSO THAT OBVIOUSLY IMPACTS PRICE IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHERS. AND THEN ALSO WE TRANSITION INTO CONCRETE SIDEWALK TO MORE TO MATCH THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS IN THE COMMERCIAL AREAS. OTHER CONSTRAINTS THAT HAD TO BE CONSIDERED IS THE ROAD IS NOT ALIGNED WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THAT IS MORE, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT THE ISSUE WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. UM, SO THAT'S A CONSIDERATION AS IT SAYS THERE, THERE'S A DRAINAGE DITCH ALONG BOTH SIDES. SO IF WE DECIDE TO PUT IT ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD? VICE VERSA. THERE'S PROPERTY SLOPES AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS EXHIBIT RIGHT HERE, THESE LINES, YOU CAN USE THE MOUSE. YEAH, USE THE MOUSE. I'LL USE THE MOUSE. THESE LINES RIGHT HERE, JUST SHOW THE GRADE OF HOW STEEP THIS HILLSIDE IS FOR THE PROPERTY. SO ALL OF THIS HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT FOR DESIGN. AND WHEN WE INITIALLY WALK A PROJECT WITH A CONSULTANT, THE GOAL IS JUST TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF THE PROPERTIES BECAUSE THAT GETS INVOLVED INTO RIGHT AWAY ISSUES, EASEMENTS, POSSIBLY MONEY, WHICH IS TIME. SO WE TRY TO FIT ALL OF THAT TO MINIMIZE THOSE ISSUES. IF THEY HAVE TO BE DONE, SO BE IT. BUT THAT'S JUST THE MINDSET THAT WE HAVE. UM, SO THAT TOUCHED ON THE EXISTING, OH, AND THE OTHER CONSTRAINT OR CONSIDERATION IS THE EXISTING SHARED USE PATH IS ON THE WEST SIDE. SO THAT INFLUENCES THIS THIRD PHASE WHERE CROSS WOULD THEN BE AN ISSUE. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING WE HAD TO CONSIDER. SO THIS EXHIBIT HERE PROPOSED WITHIN ROADWAY SHIFT SHOWS THAT THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY AT THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THIS IS TO SHIFT THE ROADWAY APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET THAT WILL ALLOW FOR THE SHARED USE PATH, UH, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS AND STILL MAINTAIN THE EXISTING BIKE LANES. SO ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE NOW STILL IN THAT DESIGN. EXCUSE ME, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. YOU'RE GONNA MAINTAIN THE BIKE LANE, BUT CAN'T THE BIKES GO UP ONTO THE SHIGE PATH? THEY CAN. UM, BUT THERE ARE SOME RECREATIONAL BIKERS THAT ENJOY GOING AS FAST AS THE CARS AS THEY DO . IS THAT KATHY YOU'RE REFERRING TO? . GOT IT. OKAY. SO THAT RELATED TO THAT, THE MAYOR DON'T, I SEE IN THE DIAGRAMS THAT WE'RE GONNA ELIMINATE THE BIKE LANES IN FOUR SPOTS. [02:55:01] SO I I I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT STATEMENT. NO, WE'RE NOT. NO. SO WE, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER, SO I MAYBE I'LL START WITH THIS. YEAH, GO AHEAD. AT A COUPLE OF LOCATIONS, WE'RE MODIFYING THE BIKE LANE AT WHITE BEAR ROAD FOR INSTANCE, WE'RE THERE'S A TRANSITIONAL ZONE. AS YOU APPROACH THE INTERSECTION FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH, THAT TRANSITION ZONE IS GETTING MOVED FURTHER TO THE NORTH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S BEING TAKEN OUT AND RETRIED. THEN AT KACHINA WE ARE, WE'RE ALSO WHAT'S CALLED OUT ON THE PLAN IS OBLITERATION. WE'RE REVISING THE STRIPING THERE AS WELL. SO YOU, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE MODIFYING IT, YOU'RE GONNA MOVE IT NORTH, YOU'RE GONNA ASK THE CYCLISTS TO SPEND MORE TIME IN THE TRAFFIC LANE NOW IN THE FUTURE THAN THEY ARE CURRENTLY. SO IN MY MIND, THAT'S WHY I USE THE WORD ELIMINATE AND YOUR DIAGRAMS SAY OBLITERATE, BUT IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT WE ARE SHORTENING THE AMOUNT OF BIKE LANE PATH OVERALL THAT EXISTS ON THAT SEGMENT OF DRY CREEK THAN WE HAVE CURRENTLY. IT'S BY LIKE WHAT, 65 FEET APPROXIMATELY. I, IT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK THAT FAR TO ME. I HAVEN'T SCALED IT, BUT IT'S LOOKING AT THE, THE PLAN THAT IS PRE MOVING IT IN THIS LAST EXHIBIT. SO, WELL, THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE. THERE'S EXISTING AND THEN THE BLACK LINE TO THE NORTH IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. YOU'LL HAVE TO USE YOUR POINTER THERE. OH, SO RIGHT HERE IN THE EXISTING IMAGERY IS THE TRANSITION FROM THE BIKE LANE ONTO THE SIDEWALK. WHEREAS TO ACCOMMODATE THIS LEFT HAND TURN LANE, IT'S JUST MOVING UP TO THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE TO TRANSITION. ACTUALLY IT'S RIGHT THERE ONTO THIS SIDEWALK. SO APPROXIMATELY 60 FEET, 80 AT THE MOST DOESN. THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS IS WHEN A A BICYCLIST SEES THAT TRANSITION ZONE, IT ALERTS THEM TO MAKE A DECISION. IT'S A DECISION POINT. WHEN THAT DECISION POINT IS TOO CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION, SOMETIMES IT CAUSES PANIC AND WE'VE SEEN, WE'VE HAD ACCIDENTS BECAUSE OF THAT. WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THAT, THAT CONFLICT. SO, SO GOING ON WITH KIND OF THE CONSTRAINTS AND THINGS THAT HAD TO BE ADDED TO THIS, AS IT AS YOU SEE THERE IN THE LEFT HAND CORNER, THE MODIFIED SINGLE CURB DETAIL, THIS IS JUST SHOWING THAT AS YOU GET TIGHTER TO DRAINAGE ISSUES, YOU HAVE TO ADD EITHER RETAINING WALLS OR CURBS TO BE FACTORED INTO THE DESIGN WHICH DRIVE COST. AND THAT IS WHY A SITUATION LIKE THIS, SOMETIMES THERE'S STICKER SHOCK, BUT THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY THE, THE COST CAN BE INCREASED. AND IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER IN THE LA THE LAST FEW PROJECTS, IT'S REALLY BEEN STRESS FOR CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THE FIBER OPTIC AND FUTURE DATA CONNECTIONS. SO WE'VE ADDED FIBER OPTIC, UM, CONDUIT THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT FOR ANYTHING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO CONNECT TO FUTURE DATES JUST LIKE ON ON DANTE. SO THAT'S KIND OF A STANDARD THAT WE'RE STARTING TO GO WITH. AND ON FOREST ROAD ALSO BACK TO THIS EXHIBIT HERE, THIS IS MAIN MAINLY DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THE SIDEWALK, THE SHARED USE PATH PORTION. THIS WAS A FIRST DRAFT ITERATION. THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THIS EXHIBIT IS JUST TO SHOW THE STRIPING PLAN OF HOW THE LEFT HAND TURNS HAVE BEEN ADDED BACK ONTO KACHINA AND ONTO WHITE BEAR AND JUST TO SHOW HOW THE BIKE LANES AND EVERYTHING INTERACT WITH THAT. AND THEN ALSO MOVING THIS EXISTING CROSSWALK AT THE SOUTH PORTION NOW UP TO THE NORTH SIDE. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS MOST OF THE RESIDENTS COMING OUT OF KACHINA ARE TURNING RIGHT, WHICH IS SOUTH ONTO DRY CREEK ROAD. SO MOVING THAT BEYOND THAT TURN WILL ELIMINATE THAT CONFLICT AS MUCH SO, BUT IT ALSO ELIMINATES, SORRY MAY I THE CONFLICT, UM, OF, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF LEFT HAND TURN TRAFFIC INTO KACHINA AS WELL AND MOVING THAT TO THE CAR. EXACTLY. VICE VERSA. YEAH. ELIMINATE, SO IT ELIMINATES IN TWO WAYS. IT ELIMINATES POTENTIAL PEDESTRIAN VEHICULAR CONFLICT. YES, CORRECT. THANK YOU. SO WHY DON'T WE TOUCH ON SPEED DETAILSS DETAILS? UM, YES. WELL I DUNNO WHETHER, SO WHILE YOU'RE FIGURING THAT OUT, I HAVE A, I, THIS IS A HISTORICAL QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF UH, KURT WOULD KNOW, BUT ANDY, WHY WAS THE TURN LANE ORIGINALLY REMOVED FROM KACHINA? ORIGINALLY IT WAS REMOVED, UM, TO ALLOW SPACE FOR THE BIKE LANES TO BE ADDED. [03:00:02] OKAY. AND BACK WHEN THAT WAS REMOVED, THERE WAS NOT AS MUCH TURNING TRAFFIC OCCURRING AT THE TIME. SO IT WAS, IT WAS ALLOWED TO BE REMOVED TODAY, WE'VE RE REVISITED THE WARRANTS FOR THAT, FOR THOSE TURN LANES AND FOUND THAT THEY NEEDED TO BE ADDED BACK. SO I WOULD THINK SO WE MADE THAT PART OF THE PROJECT. OKAY. I KNOW, I, I KNOW IT'S PART OF IT. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE HISTORY WAS. I FORGOT IT WAS DONE I THINK THE PAST 10 YEARS. I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2018. AM I, I'VE GOT MY NOTE HERE. 2015 AND 2016. OH 15, OKAY. SO IT'S BEEN ABOUT A DECADE OF GROWTH THAT HAS CHA DRIVEN THIS CHANGE. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING TO JONATHAN IS WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, SPEED TABLES AND THINGS TO DO TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN BEFORE THIS CROSSING. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STILL IN PROCESS. SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT STUDY BEFORE THIS PROJECT IS COMPLETED AND WE CAN ADD THOSE TABLES, UM, SHORTLY. SO JUST WANNA TOUCH ON THAT. YEAH. BASED ON THEIR ADVISEMENT, PETE, I, I RE I I REMAIN A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE GOAL HERE AND THE R THE RATIONALE FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE HAD A TURN LANE WE TOOK AWAY TO PUT BIKE LANES AND NOW I BELIEVE IT'S CORRECT TO SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY REMOVE A LITTLE BIT OF THE LENGTH OF BIKE LANES AND ASK BIKERS TO BE IN THE ROAD, WHICH I WILL TELL YOU DOWN TOWARDS 89 A WHERE THE CURRENT BIKE LANE DISAPPEARS. IT'S THE SAFEST THING TO DO, BUT IT IS FAR FROM SAFE TO PUT BIKES IN THE STREET ON A STREET THAT HAS SPEED, TROUBLE AND PEDESTRIAN CONFLICTS. AND SO AT THIS INTERSECTION THOUGH, AT KACHINA, WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT A LEFT TURN LANE IN AND YOU'RE GONNA MOVE A PED CROSSING TO THE NORTH. WELL THE TROUBLE WITH THE LEFT TURN LANE INTO KACHINA IS THAT TRA ONCOMING TRAFFIC IS FAST AND PEOPLE DON'T SEE IT AND THEY MAKE THESE DARTING MOTIONS. IS THAT RIGHT? THERE'S A BLIND SPOT TO THE NORTH HERE. WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT PEDESTRIAN CROSSING CLOSER TO A A, A CURVE AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT PUTS PEDESTRIANS MORE AT A RISK THAT'S TYING BACK INTO THE SPEED TABLES. GO AHEAD ANN, GO AHEAD. WELL, AND, AND I'LL START OFF ALSO. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE DONE IN MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE IS MEASURE SITE DISTANCE. SO I DID A VERY QUICK ESTIMATION OF SIDE DISTANCE. I KNOW WE'VE IN ANALYZED IT BEYOND WHAT I DID, BUT I CAN TELL YOU IN, IN LOOKING AT IT, MOVING THAT CROSSWALK BARELY CHANGES THE SIDE DISTANCE. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS I DON'T HAVE THE, THE MOUSE. BY ADDING THAT PATHWAY IN ON THE WEST SIDE THERE, WE'RE MOVING SOME OF THE VEGETATION BACK AND SOME OF THAT EMBANKMENT THAT IS THE RESTRICTION ON THE SITE DISTANCE FOR THAT AREA IS, IS THAT SIDE THAT WE ARE GONNA WIDEN OUT AND MAKE THAT SITE DISTANCE LONGER. I'LL HAVE MORE LATER. THANK YOU. SO TOWARDS THE END OF THE PROJECT, THIS IS THE ALIGNMENT THAT WE, BEFORE YOU GO AHEAD. OH, I'M SORRY. WELL, ON THAT ONE I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR BEFORE YOU GET INTO ANOTHER, UH, TOPIC. SURE. WHAT IS THE COMPOSITION OF THE PATH AT THAT POINT? IS THAT NOW THE, THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE OR IS THAT THE, IS THAT SIDEWALK IT IS SIDEWALK CONCERT THAT'S SIDEWALK THROUGH GRAY BACK. MM-HMM . CORRECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES. SO ONCE WE, WE WERE GETTING FEEDBACK FROM STAKEHOLDERS IN THE LIBRARY AND THEY WERE EAGER TO PROVIDE EASEMENTS AND COOPERATION AND THIS IS KIND OF HOW THE, THIS DESIGN CAME TO BE. AND THIS WILL ALLOW US TO OBVIOUSLY INTEGRATE IT A MUCH NICER INTEGRATED BACK PARK. UM, ADD THE FEATURES OF TREES AS YOU SEE THERE IN THE PICTURE, THE BENCHES, UM, PARKS AND RECREATION IS PLANNING TO ADD A, UH, WORKOUT EQUIPMENT AT GRAY BACK PARK. AND UM, WE ALSO HAVE ADDED A WATER BOTTLE FILL STATION UP AT THE UH, LIZARD HEAD TRAILHEAD UP AT THE TOP IN CLOSER TO THE PINCH POINT. SO THESE ARE FEATURES IT'LL BE IN AT THE END OF THE MONTH. YEAH. SO THEY'RE WORKING ON IT RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY IN WORK. SO THOSE ARE FEATURES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING TO ADD WITHIN DRY CREEK OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. QUESTION ABOUT A FEATURE THAT IS IN GRAY BACK PARK CURRENTLY. I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A, AN OLD, AND I'M ASKING IF IT'S HISTORIC HORSE MOUNT LEFT IN THAT PARK. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, [03:05:01] I THINK, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THAT OR CAN WE JUST GET SOMEBODY TO LOOK AT THAT TO SEE? BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE PROBABLY FAIRLY EASY TO PRESERVE, REMOVE A FEW FEET, BUT IF IT'S, THAT'S A HISTORIC FEATURE, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE AWARE OF THAT AND DON'T UPSET THE, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT ANDY, THAT I'M ACTUALLY NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT IT'S THERE. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THAT. I THINK THERE SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING WE'D WANNA YOU, YOU REALLY WANNA KNOW THAT'S THERE 'CAUSE IT MAY HAVE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? THAT WAS IT. UH, SO SHOULD YOU APPROVE, UH, WE LOOK TO START THE PROJECT JULY OF THIS YEAR AND THEN IT WOULD RUN THROUGH MARCH OF 2026. AND WITH THAT WE THANK YOU AND ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY. ANY MORE, PETE? YEP, I DO, BUT I'M WILLING TO LET OTHER PEOPLE SPEAK BEFORE I ASK. OKAY. DEREK, ANYTHING KATHY? UM, YES, I JUST, I JUST, UM, IN A CONVERSATION WITH ANDY, YOU DO NOT NEED EASEMENTS IN ORDER FOR THIS TO PROCEED. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF EASEMENTS THAT WE DO NEED AND WE'RE WORKING ON ACQUIRING THOSE, BUT THERE ARE A FEW THAT WE ARE GONNA BE REQUESTING BUT DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. SO THOSE FEW EASEMENTS ARE ACTUALLY TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS. THEY GIVE US ACCESS TO GET ONTO THE ADJACENT PRIVATE PROPERTY AND MAKE REPARATIONS TO THE AREA SO THAT IT FITS TO THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE MAKE. MAY I FOLLOW UP ON THAT? SORRY, MAY I FOLLOW UP ON THAT? OH YEAH, SURE. SO WE NEED TWO EASEMENTS THAT WE DON'T HAVE YET. UH, ONE OF THOSE EASEMENTS IS WITH THE LIBRARY AND THEY'VE INDICATED THAT THEY ARE GOOD WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. THE OTHER EASEMENT WE'VE REACHED OUT, WE HAVEN'T HEARD IT'S AN UNDEVELOPED LOT AND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T GET AN EASEMENT FROM THEM? WORST CASE SCENARIO ON THAT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO FINISH THAT PIECE OF THE PROJECT ONCE WE DO ACQUIRE THE EASEMENT. WHY IS IT ANDY THAT WE DON'T GET THE EASEMENTS BEFORE WE BID THE CONTRACT? SO WE KNOW, HAVE SOME CERTAINTY OF WHAT'S GOING ON. TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS, WHICH IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED ON THIS PROJECT, IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THEM EARLIER. WE DO TYPICALLY RUN THAT PARALLEL WITH OUR, OUR, UM, OUR DESIGN AND, UH, IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, JUST THAT ACQUISITION FELL BEHIND TIME-WISE. SO MY OTHER QUESTION WAS ANSWERED BY ANDY'S COMMENTS. ALRIGHT, VICE MAYOR MELISSA. GOOD. I, UM, HAS THE LIBRARY KACHINA AND ROYAL SECCO SIGNED OFF ON THIS PROJECT? JUDY HAS OR SHE WILL. SO I, I'VE TALKED WITH FOLKS IN KACHINA AND WE'VE HEARD POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THEM, UH, REGARDING THE PROJECT. THERE IS ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT, UM, IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE PROJECT. UH, WE'VE TRIED TO WORK WITH THEM BUT HAVEN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM ON IT. UM, WE ALSO, WE DIDN'T MENTION EARLIER, BUT WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE COUPLE OF CHURCHES IN THIS AREA AND, AND OTHER, UH, PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE, THE PROJECT. SO, AND THE CHURCH HAS INDICATED SUPPORT OR, UM, NOT REALLY. THEY DIDN'T REALLY INDICATE WHETHER THEY SUPPORTED OR NOT. THEY WERE MORE CONCERNED WITH WHAT IS OUR ACCESS IMPACT GONNA BE AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO I, I LET THEM KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT WILL BE MAINTAINING ACCESS TO THEIR PROPERTY THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. YEAH. TAG ONTO THAT VICE MAYOR. WHAT ABOUT, GO AHEAD. THE CHARTER SCHOOL OR THE PUBLIC SCHOOL, SINCE THEY HAVE A BUS STOP THAT'S RIGHT THERE AT UH, WHITE BEAR, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE DIRECTLY REACHED OUT TO THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD'VE RECEIVED ONE OF THE LETTERS BEING THE CHARTER SCHOOL, BUT UM, BUT WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEM DIRECTLY AND LET THEM KNOW. COORDINATE WITH THEM. MM-HMM . OKAY, GOOD. I SOMEHOW THOUGHT WE GOT A LETTER FROM AMY, DIDN'T WE? SORRY, AMY. NO I DIDN'T. NO, BY THE WAY, UM, COUNCILOR FAFA PULLED UP A PICTURE OF THE HORSE MOUNT SO THAT IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT FOR REFERENCE THERE. AWESOME. [03:10:01] I DIDN'T MAKE IT UP. DEFINITELY SAVE IT. OKAY. OKAY, LET'S GO TO THE PUBLIC. NO, I HAD QUESTIONS. OH, MORE. OKAY. SO I WANTED TO DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON FIRST THE BIKE EXPERIENCE. SO HE SAID WE'RE GONNA SHORTEN THE BIKE LANE BY A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S, SOME BIKES ARE ALLOWED TO BE ON THE ROAD, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE ON THE PATH, CORRECT? CORRECT. WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO FOR SIGNAGE? SORT OF HELPING THE DRIVERS UNDERSTAND THAT CYCLISTS ARE ALLOWED TO BE IN THE ROAD, RIGHT? WE HAVE THOSE SHARE THE ROAD SIGNS. WE HAVE THREE FOOT SIGNS. ARE WE DOING MORE OF THAT OR CHANGING THAT IN ANY WAY FROM WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS? THAT IS CURRENTLY THE PROPOSED SIGN PLAN RIGHT THERE. SO IF WE MOVE THE STRIPING BACK, WE WOULD ALSO MOVE THE SIGNAGE BACK ACCORDINGLY TO MAINTAIN THE CORRECT DISTANCES. THE SHARE THE ROAD SIGN RIGHT THERE. THE SURE THE ROAD ONE IS THERE, SO, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY ADD ONE. WE'RE JUST NOT DOING ANYTHING. WE RIGHT NOW ON THIS EAST SIDE OF THE ROADWAY UNTIL WE GET UP WHERE WE'RE ADJUSTING THE, UM, CENTER LINE, WHICH IS UP JUST NOW, UM, NEAR COLOR COVE. BUT WE CAN ADD ADDITIONAL SIGNS. BUT WE ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT SIGN CLUTTER BECAUSE IT'S, UM, DIFFICULT. BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY ADD A SIGN OVER HERE ON THE, UM, NORTHBOUND SIDE. WELL I WORRY ABOUT CARS AND CYCLISTS ALWAYS. WE DO TOO. IS THERE A SHARE THE ROAD SIGN DOWN AT THE, AT 89 A IN DRY CREEK? I DO. I I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. I DON'T THINK SO. I I DON'T, BUT I, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS. TYPICALLY WITH SIGNS LIKE THAT, YOU, YOU SORT OF SIGN THE ZONE SO YOU, FOR A CERTAIN AREA YOU MIGHT HAVE A SIGN AT THE BEGINNING AND AT THE END, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE A FREQUENT TYPE OF REMINDER SORT OF. SURE. THAT'S NOT THE INTENT. YEAH. YEAH. THEN BACK TO THE OTHER DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD EARLIER, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S VERY CLEAR, NOT JUST COUNSEL, BUT ANYONE LISTENING. AS A REMINDER, IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, THERE IS NO BIKE LANE SOUTH OF WHITE BEAR ROAD. CORRECT. THAT IS THE REASON FOR OUR CONCERN WITH A BICYCLIST APPROACHING THE INTERSECTION TODAY AND WITH THIS PROJECT, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE SAFE WITH THE NEXT PROJECT THAT WE TAKE ON TO THE SOUTH, OUR INTENT IS TO EXTEND THAT BIKE LANE ALL THE WAY TO THE HIGHWAY. SO THAT CONDITION OF THE TRANSITION ZONE, OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT THAT GOES AWAY AND THAT THE BIKE LANE LANE GETS EXTENDED TO THE HIGHWAY TO FINISH THAT. UH, SO I'M GONNA TAP INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT, ANDY, IN THAT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS ENTIRE SEGMENT FROM 89 A TO THUNDER MOUNTAIN, THIS, THE EXTENT OF THIS PROJECT CURRENTLY GRINGO REALLY, BUT LET'S SAY A THUNDER MOUNTAIN, THE PROBLEM SECTION OF THE ROAD FOR PENN CYCLIST INTERACTION IS 89 A TO WHITE BEAR. THAT'S, AND IT'S SORT OF THE NARROWEST LOOKING SECTION THAT LOOKS TO BE THE HARDEST SEGMENT, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE. MM-HMM . AND I WONDER WHY WE DIDN'T START WITH TRYING TO SOLVE PROBLEMS VERSUS JUST DOING AMENITIES TO THE NORTH. SO I, I'D LOVE TO HANDLE THAT. SO THE PROBLEM THAT WE ACTUALLY DID TRY TO SOLVE AT THE NORTH END HAD TO DO WITH PARKING AND TRYING TO ESTABLISH A SHARED USE USE PATH WHERE NOT ONLY, WE WEREN'T FINDING RESISTANCE, BUT WE WERE FINDING SUPPORT BACK THEN. THE ESTATES AT NORTH SLOPES APPROACHED ME TO ADDRESS SOME SAFETY ISSUES IN THAT AREA. THE VERY FIRST PROJECT ON DRY CREEK WAS BORN OUT OF THAT EFFORT TO SOLVE PARKING ISSUES, DRIVEWAY, SITE DISTANCE ISSUES, PEDESTRIAN ISSUES, HIKING, WALKING, BIKING, ALL OF THAT. THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THAT PROJECT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. HOWEVER, THE CRITICISM OF THAT PROJECT WAS THAT IT WAS A PATH TO NOWHERE. SO EVERY PROJECT THAT WE COMPLETED AFTER THAT FIRST PROJECT TOOK THE PATH TO SOMEWHERE. SO TODAY, BEING ABLE TO COMPLETE THIS TO WHITE BEAR ROAD IS A HUGE SUCCESS. IT CONNECTS A WELL CONNECTED AREA OUT TO THE FOREST. AND SO WE COMPLETED THESE PROJECTS SEQUENTIALLY SO THAT IT WAS A PATH TO SOMEWHERE. IT WASN'T A HOPSCOTCH UNCONNECTED PATH, STILL TO NOWHERE. THAT WAS THE INTENT. I THANK YOU, ANDY. AND, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT, AND I AGREE WITH LOTS OF IT. UH, BUT I THINK I WOULD'VE SAID THAT THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE ON 89 A AND DRY CREEK ARE [03:15:01] AT LEAST AS SIGNIFICANT AS THE PROBLEMS WE HAD OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMIT UP BY THE DEVIL'S BRIDGE PARKING LOT. AND WE, AS THE CITY, I THINK MIGHT HAVE SPENT MORE, WE MIGHT HAVE HAD MORE VALUE TO OUR COMMUNITY SOLVING WHAT I THINK IS AT LEAST AS EQUALLY DIFFICULT PROBLEM AND DANGEROUS PROBLEMS. SO I-I-I-I-I, I APPRECIATE HEARING THE, THE RATIONALE THAT I THINK THERE'S TWO SIDES TO THE ARGUMENT AND, AND I LEAVE MYSELF SCRATCHING MY HEAD. AND SO I WANT TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT HEADS AND YEAH. PROBABLY JUST PS NO, I, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN DO SOME THINGS WITH CYCLING. I DO THINK THAT YOU TALK ABOUT ZONE SIGNS FOR ZONES, I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S A SHARE THE, UH, LANE SIGNAGE, UH, BY 89 A, SO THAT WOULD BE THE, THE SOUTH END OF THAT ZONE THAT PERHAPS SHOULD BE MORE ADEQUATELY COMMUNICATED TO THE DRIVERS THAT THEY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY THERE. UM, AND THEN I THINK ABOUT THE PEDESTRIANS. AND SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S MORE WORK THAT'S GONNA BE DONE AROUND WHITE BEAR KACHINA WE TALK ABOUT. I THINK WE DISAGREE WITH THAT. I GO THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION ALL THE TIME, AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A LINE OF SIGHT PROBLEM. YOU TALKED ABOUT DOING A WARRANT ANALYSIS. DID YOU REALLY DO A, A TECHNICALLY COMPLETE WARRANT ANALYSIS IN RECENT TIME FOR THIS PROJECT? YES, WE DID. WHEN WAS THAT DONE? RECENTLY? YEAH. WAS THAT AN ENGINEERING STUDY OR WAS JUST, HOW DO WE DO WARRANT ANALYSIS? I DON'T, I'VE HEARD THIS TERM. I DON'T KNOW HOW COMPLEX IT IS. SO THE, THE FINAL STUDY HASN'T BEEN COMPLETED, AND THAT'S WHY WE MENTIONED THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SPEED TABLES OR SOMETHING TO DO, TO SLOW CARS DOWN AS THEY'RE SOUTHBOUND BEFORE THEY GET TO THAT INTERSECTION. SO IT'S NOT FINAL AND SEALED. BUT WE'VE HIRED A ENGINEER THAT, UM, SPECIALIZES IN TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND HE'S LOOKED, THEY'VE LOOKED AT THE WHITE BEAR IN THE PAST, THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO, THAT INTERSECTION. AND NOW WE'VE ASKED THEM TO LOOK AT THIS INTERSECTION AND THIS WAS THEIR RECOMMENDATION, BUT IT'S NOT A SIGNED AND SEALED COMPLETE REPORT YET. AND IS THAT NORMAL FOR US TO NOT ACTUALLY FINISH THE ANALYSIS BEFORE WE BID A PROJECT OUT? WE DON'T TYPICALLY GO TO THAT LEVEL OF ANALYSIS ON THESE KIND OF PROJECTS. UM, HOWEVER, THAT ANALYSIS RAN PARALLEL WITH THE DESIGN, AND WE HAD THE ELEMENTS OF THAT ANALYSIS THAT WE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THE DESIGN. SO IT'S LIKELY, I DON'T KNOW LIKELY IS THE WORD, IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL ONLY IF IT EXCEEDS THE SPENDING AUTHORITY TO ADD TO THIS PROJECT IN FUTURE DATE. 'CAUSE WE MIGHT HAVE SOME DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT WE DIDN'T INCLUDE. YEAH. YOU WANNA, TO DATE THE ONLY DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT WE EXPECT TO COMPLETE THAT WON'T COME BACK TO COUNCIL, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY. UM, OUTSIDE OF THIS, THIS MEETING INCLUDES THE, THE RAISED CROSSWALKS. THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO INTEND TO ADD SEPARATE FROM THIS CONTRACT. THAT MAINLY HAS TO DO WITH HAVING CONSULTANTS AND CONTRACTORS THAT ARE ABLE TO COMPLETE THOSE TO OUR EXPECTATION AND NOT HAVE TO REBUILD THEM OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T THESE DAYS INCLUDE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG WITH THE BASE CONTRACT. OKAY. THANK YOU. WHAT'S THE, UH, PLAN FOR THE THUNDER MOUNTAIN INTERSECTION? I EXPECT THIS, THAT THERE'LL BE FAR MORE PEDESTRIANS AND OR CYCLISTS TRYING TO CROSS DRY CREEK AT THUNDER MOUNTAIN THAN CURRENTLY WE HAVE. SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT THIS ENGINEER IS LOOKING AT IS, UM, CROSSINGS AT THUNDER MOUNTAIN AND WHAT TO DO, WHETHER OR NOT THERE NEEDS TO BE A RACE CROSSWALK NEAR THAT INTERSECTION. AND I THINK THE LAST THING I WANNA DWELL ON HERE IS A LITTLE BIT GOING BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY PLAN AND THAT THIS COUNCIL AND OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR STAFF DID A LOT OF EFFORT, YEOMAN'S EFFORT TO PUT A MORE COMPLETE STREETS ELEMENT INTO OUR COMMUNITY PLAN THAN WE HA THAN WE DID PREVIOUSLY. AND THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING. AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHAT COMPLETE STREETS MEAN TO ME IS NOT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S ALONG, YOU KNOW, THE BUSY CORRIDORS WHERE BIKES AND PEDS AND CARS KIND OF INTERACT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN OTHER PLACES. 89, A 1 79, I THINK DRY CREEK, I THINK PERHAPS POSSE GROUNDS, MAYBE [03:20:01] SOLDIER PASS, PROBABLY SOME AREAS IN UPTOWN. I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S PROBABLY OTHERS, BUT I'M INTERESTED TO THINK, TO HEAR NOW AT THIS POINT, WHAT STAFF IS THINKING ABOUT. WE PUT IT INTO THE COMMUNITY PLAN. WHERE ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT DOING COMPLETE STREETS AND WHY DID WE NOT BUILD COMPLETE STREETS INTO THIS DRY CREEK SUP PROJECT? SO COMPLETE STREETS WOULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE BIKE LANES, SGI PATHS, LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS, AND FROM KACHINA TO WHITE BEAR, WE DID BUILD THAT INTO THIS PROJECT. UM, OO ONLY LATE BY EFFORT OF THE FOLKS AT THE LIBRARY THOUGH, RIGHT? THAT WASN'T OUR INITIAL INITIATIVE. SO THE, THE BIKE LANE AND THE SH PATH WERE, WERE A PART OF IT AS FAR AS ADDING THE TREES IN, I THINK. YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT CAME UP LATER ON. UM, YEAH, WE DIDN'T PURSUE THAT EARLY ON. THIS IS A ZONE THAT THAT WOULD LEND ITSELF TO THAT. THAT IS CORRECT. SO WHEN IN JONATHAN'S PRESENTATION, HE TALKED ABOUT THE SLOPE AND SOME OF THE, UM, CONSTRAINTS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ON THESE PROJECTS. AND ALSO A LOT OF THE PUSHBACK THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING. AND, UM, I MEANT TO SAY IN MY PRESENTATION, WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS BECAUSE OF, UM, SOME OF THESE SHARED USE PATHS, WE'RE NOT RUNNING INTO AS MUCH OPPOSITION AS THE ORIGINAL THUNDER MOUNTAIN PROJECT, UM, FACED, AND ALSO THE DRY CREEK NORTHERN PORTION. SO IT'S GETTING BETTER AND BETTER, BUT THE PRO THE LOCATION OF THE SHARED USE PATHS ARE MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT. THOSE WERE EASIER OPEN AREAS. JONATHAN TALKED ABOUT THE A HUNDRED FOOT WIDTH. UM, WE HAD ROOM, I HAD PHOTOS OF HOW WE MEANDERED AND KEPT THE SHARED USE PATH OFF THE ROAD. WE DON'T HAVE THE ROOM IN THIS SECTION. AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY, UM, THIS ONE HAS TAKEN A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO BRING BEFORE THE COUNCIL. WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE, THE LOTS TO THE WEST SLOPE TO DRY CREEK. AND SO THERE'S DRAINAGE WE HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE. AND WE HAVE, UM, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE COST OF THIS, UH, SHARED USE PATH IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PUT RETAINING WALLS IN, UM, WE'RE DOING RETAINING WALLS AND TREE WELLS, TRYING TO SAVE SIGNIFICANT OLD GROWTH TREES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN, THAT ARE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO WE'RE REALLY PINCHED DOWN. SO WE WOULD LOVE TO COME BACK TO THIS ONCE WE GET IT IN AND SEE IF THERE'S AREAS WHERE WE COULD PUT ADDITIONAL TREES. YES, THE LIBRARY SAID THAT THEY WOULD PUT TREES AND WE WOULD LOVE TO PUT WHAT WE'VE DONE ON SOME OTHER PROJECTS IS TEAMED UP WITH SUSTAINABILITY. AND IF WE'VE GOT AREAS WHERE WE COULD PUT TREES IN, WE'D LOVE TO, BUT WE DON'T WANNA OBSTRUCT THE LINE OF SIGHT. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T GET CLIPPED BY CARS AND BECOME A MAINTENANCE NIGHTMARE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT, THIS IS KIND OF, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, A PALLET WHERE THIS IS THE CANVAS THAT WE'RE PUTTING DOWN, AND THEN IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW. I KNOW THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO SEE IT COMPLETE IN A SINGLE PROJECT, BUT THEN WE WOULD BE BRINGING YOU A $5 MILLION PROJECT THAT WOULD TAKE US THREE TO FOUR YEARS TO BRING IT TO YOU. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET THESE IN PLACE, MAKE IT SAFE FOR THE PEDESTRIANS, AND HAVE IT GROW IN HOW IT'S BEING USED. WE SEE THAT ON THUNDER MOUNTAIN. PEOPLE LOVE THUNDER MOUNTAIN SANDBORN, AND THEY'RE PUTTING THEIR OWN CHAIRS OUT. AND IT'S EASY FOR US NOW TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT AND PUT SOME BENCHES IN SOME SHADE STRUCTURES. SO WE WANNA COME BACK AND ADD TO THOSE PA THOSE PATHS. I APPRECIATE THAT. I, I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S A WILL, THERE'S A WAY WE DID REMARKABLE ENGINEERING THINGS ON FOREST ROAD, UH, SLOPE EASEMENTS, THAT ARE INCREDIBLE. AND HAD WE REALLY WANTED A COMPLETE STREET PROJECT UP DRY CREEK, WE CAN DO THAT. AND YEAH, IT WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE. BUT I THINK THAT IT'S A POLICY DECISION, ISN'T IT? AND, AND I, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I'M NOW FACED WITH A DECISION ABOUT MAKING A DECISION ON A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WHEN I THINK THERE WAS A POLICY CONVERSATION THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ABOUT WHAT WE REALLY WANTED TO DO IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU RESPOND TO THAT IS A QUESTION, BUT I MEAN, I, I DO THINK I LOOK AT IT LIKE POLICY QUESTION. AM I WRONG ABOUT THINKING ABOUT IT THAT WAY? I, I WOULD START OFF BY, UM, MAYBE POINTING OUT THAT THIS [03:25:01] SECTION OF WHITE BEAR, OR I'M SORRY, DRY CREEK IS ACTUALLY MORE OF A COMPLETE STREET THAN FOREST ROAD EVEN. I WOULD AGREE. THIS ONE, ONE SECTION, WE HAD A OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE, MAYBE EXTEND IT PAST WHAT WE ARE. WE'VE SHOWN IN THE DIAGRAM HERE, AND I'M NOT SURE WE REACHED OUT TO ANY OF THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS TO SEE IF WE COULD DO A BIGGER PROJECT THAN EVEN THAT. I, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT QUESTION FOR THE REST OF COUNCIL, IF THEY HAVE AN APPETITE TO ADD THE COST TO THESE SHARED USE PATHS THAT YOU'RE TALKING SIGNIFICANT MAGNITUDES OF INCREASED COST. UM, WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS LOOK FOR WHERE THAT SORT OF APPLICATION MAKES SENSE AND WHERE WE CAN, WHERE, WHERE WE CAN DO IT. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TONIGHT. THIS WAS BUDGETED 18 MONTHS AGO, AND WE TRIED TO STAY WITHIN THE BUDGET AND GET THIS, PUSH THIS AHEAD ACCORDING TO 18 MONTHS AGO WHEN WE SET ASIDE A BUDGET AND THAT COMPLETE STREETS IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, I DON'T BELIEVE WAS IN PLACE AT THAT TIME. IT WAS, AND IT IS ON OUR RADAR. IT IT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. UM, THE MAJORITY OF SUSE'S PASS THAT WE'VE COMPLETED TO THIS POINT HAVE BEEN RETROFIT INTO BUILT OUT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DID NOT HAVE SPACE, TRYING TO ADD ADDITIONAL WIDTH, ADDITIONAL AMENITIES INTO MOST OF THOSE AREAS WOULD'VE BEEN MUCH MORE IMPACTFUL TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AS WE GET INTO TRANSITION ZONES BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL INTO COMMERCIAL. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS ON OUR RADAR TO LOOK AT. UM, IT CAME IN LATE TO THIS PROJECT, BUT IT'S ON OUR RADAR. IF I COULD JUST ADD, I THINK PART OF WHAT I HEAR FROM THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, NOT GETTING DOWN INTO THE WEEDS OF THE DESIGN ELEMENTS OR ANYTHING, IS MAYBE A DESIRE FOR STAFF TO BRING, UM, THE DESIGN FORWARD BEFORE IT'S BIT OUT, UM, AT SOME PRELIMINARY POINTS. SO YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT BEFORE WE DO THE A HUNDRED PERCENT. AND THEN DO THE, AND I THINK SANDY TALKED ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY, UM, THAT WE CAN BRING THAT PROPOSED DESIGN FORWARD AND MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL'S COMFORTABLE WITH ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED BEFORE WE BID IT OUT. VICE MAYOR. SO I, I'M, THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR ME THAT THESE SECTIONS OF DESIGN DOESN'T GIVE ME A COMPLETE PICTURE. AND LIKE RIGHT NOW, I THINK THAT THE WHITE BEAR ROAD INTERSECTION IS A BIG PROBLEM. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA FIT INTO, WE'RE GONNA GO RIGHT UP TO WHITE BEAR ROAD, BUT WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THE INTERSECTION. BUT I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, WHAT THE CONCEPT IS FOR THAT INTERSECTION TO SEE WHETHER ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE DOING HERE MIGHT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THAT INTERSECTION. AND I STRUGGLE, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER AND I STRUGGLE WITH SEEING THAT, YOU KNOW, I NEED TO VISUALIZE THIS, THE WHOLE THING. HMM. EVEN IF WE BUILD IT IN SECTIONS, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. HMM. AND, UH, UM, AND I DON'T, I, SO I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY KNOW WHETHER WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THE RIGHT THING OR NOT. I MAYBE I JUST HAVE TO NOD MY HEAD AND SAY, UH, I TRUST OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. AND IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST PUBLIC WORKS, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT MYSELF AND TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT WHEN PEOPLE ASK US QUESTIONS, WHICH RIGHT NOW I CANNOT DO. SO I, I'M NOT SURE, EVEN IN A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU DID THE VIDEO FOR BREWER RANGER AND FOREST ROAD, THAT WHOLE, WHAT IS IT ALL GONNA LOOK LIKE? PEOPLE LOVED IT. I LOVED IT. I FINALLY SAW WHAT IT WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE. EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE DOING SIM UPDATES, YOU KNOW, QUARTERLY FOR YEARS. I'M A VISUAL PERSON. SO IT WAS REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL. AND I'VE GOTTEN SO MUCH FEEDBACK, POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. I FINALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU HAVE. YOU CAN'T SPEAK IT. SOME OF THESE THINGS, YOU HAVE TO SEE IT SO THAT TO WHATEVER DEGREE THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. [03:30:04] WELL, WE'LL DEFINITELY, UH, TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION AND, AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DEVELOP TO HELP, HELP DO THAT. UM, MY, MY INITIAL THOUGHT IS THAT THOSE RENDERINGS, WE'VE DONE THOSE ON OUR BIGGER PROJECTS, THEY'RE TIME INTENSIVE AND IT, IT TAKES A LOT TO DO THOSE. SO IF WE START TO DO THOSE ON EVERY SMALL PROJECT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO DO. I HEAR YOU ANDY, BUT 3 MILLION HERE, 3 MILLION THERE. IT'S A BIG PROJECT EVENTUALLY. I MEAN, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE AN INSUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY, RIGHT? YEAH. WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK INTO IT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. OKAY. PETE, ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? YES. DONE WITH QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. OKAY. NOW LET'S GO TO THE PUBLIC. DIANA NICHOLS, YOU'RE UP. START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS DIANA NICHOLS AND I AM A SERONA RESIDENT, UH, A KACHINA SUBDIVISION RESIDENT. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH ALL I KNOW YOU WORK LATE ROUTINELY, SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS FOR ALL OF US IN THE PUBLIC, EVEN THOUGH MANY OF US LEFT. UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY IT'S A PRETTY COOL NAME ABOUT DOJI BECAUSE IT MEANS CAPABLE OR COMPETENT. THANK YOU. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST SO APPROPRIATE FOR THIS TOPIC, UM, BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY KACHINA SUBDIVISION WASN'T PLANNED WITH PROPER INGRESS EGRESS, SAFETY WISE. UH, AND IT JUST REALLY IS A HUGE BUMMER THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE ACCESS AND EXIT POINT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND IT'S A BUMMER AT DIFFERENT TIMES, LIKE DURING THE MARATHON, OR GOD FORBID IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT. UH, DRY CREEK IS ALWAYS VERY, VERY BUSY. UM, SO I'M SPEAKING NOT JUST FOR MYSELF AND MY HUSBAND AND OUR TENANT IN OUR HOME IN KACHINA SUBDIVISION, WHO IS A LOCAL WORKER AND WORKS VERY LONG HOURS IN UPTOWN. ALL OF US WORK VERY LONG HOURS. BUT I ALSO SPEAK FOR ANOTHER NEIGHBOR WHO ASKED ME TO SAY A FEW WORDS FOR HER THAT SHE'S IN, UM, STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. UM, HER NAME IS ANNA MARIA JUNICK. UH, SHE'S ALSO A CLIENT OF MINE, UH, RIGHT THERE AT THE TOP OF THE KACHINA, UH, SUBDIVISION AT THE TOP OF KACHINA DRIVE. AND THEN OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS, GREG AND MARK LUCKY, UH, GREG HAD SAID HE HAD SENT AN EMAIL OUT, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THIS. UH, I'M BUMMED TO HEAR THAT ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS IS AGAINST IT, BUT I'M SURE THEY HAVE THEIR REASONS. UM, I'M, I'M LOVING THESE VISUALS, HOLLY. I'M ALSO A VISUAL PERSON. AND, UH, THE SLIDE WITH ALL THE SIGNAGE ON IT, THE STREET SIGNAGE WHEN, UM, PETE WAS SPECIFYING, HEY, YOU'VE GOT A BLIND SPOT. ABSOLUTELY THERE'S A BLIND SPOT. AND I WAS HOPEFUL THAT MAYBE WE COULD TAKE A PAGE OUTTA JEROME'S BOOK AND MAYBE DO SOME OF THOSE MIRROR THINGS, UH, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT AT LEAST WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH WITH ADDING THE TURN LANES BACK IN BECAUSE IT'S VERY HELPFUL FOR ALL THE KIDDOS ON SCHOOL DAYS AND FOR ALL THE PEDESTRIANS THAT LOVE TO WALK AND HIKE. SO, THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYBODY. I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU, DIANA. ALRIGHT, TIM PERRY, YOU'RE UP. THREE MINUTES. NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN UPTOWN SEDONA. THIS PATH PROPOSAL, LIKE ALL THE OTHER PATH PROPOSALS, DOES A GREAT JOB OF SHOWCASING BOTH THE COUNCIL AND STAFF'S DETACHMENT FROM THEIR RE REALITY AND THEIR HYPOCRISY ON THE ISSUE OF SUSTAINABILITY. SEDONA IS MORE LUXURIOUSLY PROVIDED WITH BIKE PATHS AND TRAILS THAN ANY PLACE I HAVE EVER LIVED IN. AND YOU WANT TO BUILD MORE. WHEN I WAS A KID, WE WEREN'T SO FRAGILE. WE RODE ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET, WE ALSO PLAYED IN THE STREET, ALTHOUGH THAT WOULD PROBABLY GIVE ANDY A HEART ATTACK. THESE SAFETY EXCUSES ARE NOTHING BUT COWARDLY PARANOIA AND CAN'T BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. AS FOR THE CYCLING ASPECT, IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S THIS HALLUCINATION GOING ON AT THE CITY THAT BUILDING SHARED USE PATHS WILL SOMEHOW GET PEOPLE OUT OF CARS AND ONTO BIKES. SEDONAS EXISTING PATHS GO LARGELY UNUSED BY CYCLISTS BECAUSE MOST CYCLISTS DO NOT HAVE E-BIKES TO GET THEM EFFICIENTLY [03:35:01] FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE UP AND DOWN THESE HILLS. A CITY E-BIKE PROGRAM MIGHT ACTUALLY GET A FEW PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS, AND IT OF COURSE WOULD PRODUCE FAR LESS EMISSIONS THAN THE CITY'S ELITIST SHUTTLE SYSTEM. BUT THAT'S NOT ON ANY AGENDA. I'VE RAISED THIS ISSUE WITH ANDY BEFORE, AND HE SEEMED ALMOST REPULSED BY THE IDEA THAT THE CITY WOULD WANT TO DO SOMETHING ITSELF TO ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE TO GET AROUND. BUT THEN THAT WOULD TAKE THE FUNDING OUT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT POOL, WHICH IS WHERE YOU GUYS REALLY WANT IT. SEDONA ALREADY HAS AMPLE CAPACITY FOR CYCLISTS. IT SIMPLY HAS NO DESIRE TO USE THAT CAPACITY. BUILDING MORE PATHS FOR NON-EXISTENT CYCLISTS WILL NOT SOLVE ANY PROBLEMS. THEY WILL NOT COME JUST BECAUSE YOU BUILD IT. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'LL GO ON TO COMMENTS. SURE. I HAVE SOME. UM, FIRST, UH, JUST WANT TO MAKE NOTE THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING COMMENTS FROM RESIDENTS IN KACHINA FOR YEARS, UH, REQUESTING A LEFT TURN LANE. UM, SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTS HAVE HISTORY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MUCH LONGER THAN ANY OF US DO, AND HAVE BOTH PRE LEFT TURN LANE, LEFT TURN LANE REMOVED, LEFT TURN LANE, AND NOW HISTORY. AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR A LEFT TURN LANE RIGHT BACK. SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THEIR, UM, THEIR EXPERIENCES THERE. UM, ALSO, I THINK IT'S, I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE EARLIER THAT INTERESTED IN THIS ISSUE. AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE LENGTH OF THE MEETING WORE THEM OUT. HE'S WARNED ME OUT. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT'S, WE SHOULD NOTE THAT THERE ARE INTERESTED VOICES ON THIS, UH, THAT UNFORTUNATELY DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO BE HEARD REGARDING THE MOVEMENT OF THE CROSSWALK, UH, TO THE NORTH SIDE OF KACHINA. UM, I JUST WANT TO, I SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S A REAL SAFETY ISSUE THERE TO, TO MOVE THAT BECAUSE IT ABSOLUTELY REDUCES POTENTIAL PEDESTRIAN VEHICULAR CONFLICT IN TWO DIRECTIONS COMING OUT KACHINA AND GOING INTO KACHINA. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT. AND I, I DO BELIEVE IN, AND, AND I DO HAVE SOME HISTORY AND BACKGROUND IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, AND LOOKING AT SITE DISTANCES AND EVALUATING THOSE AND LOOKING AT CROSSWALK MOTIONS AND VEHICULAR CONFLICT AND, AND FROM MY PAST EXPERIENCES AND TRAINING, UM, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SAFETY MOVE. UM, AND THE LAST COMMENT THAT I WANNA MAKE IS THAT I THINK THIS IS REALLY A VERY INTERESTING SHARED USE PATH. UM, WHAT, WHAT INVITES WALK WALKING, RIGHT IS ONE OF THE THINGS IS VARIETY, VARIETY OF EXPERIENCE SITE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE VIEWING COMING IN AND OUT. YOU KNOW, SEE THE ROADS OUT IN THE SEA TREES, SEE WHATEVER YOU IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OR IN A OR RURAL DISTRICT, THOSE TRANSITIONS, THOSE, THAT'S WHAT INVITES, YOU KNOW, WALKING. UM, AND I THINK THIS PATH MEANDERS THE WAY IT'S PROPOSED MEANDERS THROUGH AN IMPORTANT CORRIDOR. THE PORTION BETWEEN WHITE BEAR AND KACHINA REALLY LOOKS LIKE IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE BEAUTIFUL AS LONG AS THE HORSE MOUNT IS PRESERVED. UM, . UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH AMENITIES ADDED IN THERE TO ENLIVEN WHAT IS AN UNDERUSED PARK, AS WELL AS CONNECTING PEOPLE TO OUR COMMUNITY LIBRARY, UM, AND THE FUNDS THAT THEY PUT IN TO MAKE A PLAZA THERE THAT IS ENLIVENED AND BRINGS USE AND PEOPLE FOR ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF EVENTS AT ALL DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY AS WELL. UM, SO IT TIES THAT IN, IT TIE, IT MAKES THAT ONE SECTION, UH, IT TIES THAT WHOLE THING TOGETHER. AND THEN AS YOU GO NORTH OF THUNDER MOUNTAIN WHERE THE PATH WOULD LINK INTO THE EXISTING PATHWAY, THERE'S ACTUALLY EVEN ONE PORTION WHERE THE EXISTING PATH DIPS DOWN BELOW ROAD LEVEL AND THERE'S A HUGE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE ROADWAY AND THE PATHWAY. AND THERE IS VEGETATION IN THAT IN-BETWEEN AREA THAT IS A COMPLETE STREET SECTION THERE. SO I MEAN, I, ALTHOUGH THE ENTIRE LENGTH MAY NOT BE COMPLETE STREET, THERE CERTAINLY ARE THIS MEANDERS IN A WAY THAT CONNECTS COMPLETE STREET DESIGN, UH, IN A WAY THAT I THINK IS VERY VISUALLY INTERESTING. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THOSE OBSERVATIONS FOR CONSIDERATION OF BY MY COLLEAGUES. THANK YOU KATHY. [03:40:01] PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR. YOU KNOW, I I WANNA START BY SAYING THAT I AM ONE OF SEDONAS BIGGEST FANS OF SHARED USE PATHS. AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT PERHAPS ONE OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS MIGHT THINK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION METHODS IN THE CITY, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PROMISE AND WE'RE DOING GREAT WORK. AND, AND, AND IT WILL ONLY GET BETTER. AND QUITE FRANKLY, YOU NEED TO HAVE THE ALTERNATIVE TO EXIST BEFORE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN USE IT AND START TO USE IT. AND, AND I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, BUT THERE'S A, BUT HERE I'M FRUSTRATED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. I'M FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I THINK THIS COUNCIL AND OUR PUBLIC COULD HAVE BENEFITED FROM A MORE HOLISTIC DISCUSSION OF THE ENTIRE PLAN BEFORE WE SEGMENTED IT OUT AND IN PARTS THAT WE DID. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT CRITICISM APPLIES TO ALL THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT WE DO. I THINK DRY CREEK IS A ONE OF THE MORE UNIQUE SUVS THAT WE'RE GONNA LAY OUT. AND I DON'T THINK WE STARTED WITH THE HIGHEST PROBLEM SOLVING VALUE AREA. WE, WE COULD HAVE STARTED DOWN AT 89 A SOLVED A REAL PROBLEM THAT'S WITHIN THE BORDERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, SHOWN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE WERE INTERESTED AND, AND ACTIVE IN SOLVING THOSE PROBLEMS AND THEN DEVELOPED THE AMENITIES MORE NORTH. AND THEN EVENTUALLY AT SOME POINT, MAYBE CONCURRENTLY IT COULD HAVE BEEN, WHO KNOWS, SOLVED THE ISSUES THAT DID EXIST UP AT AND STILL DO EXIST UP AT, UH, THE DEVIL'S BRIDGE, UH, PARKING LOT. I THINK WE MISSED SOME IMPORTANT STAKEHOLDERS ON THE OUTREACH IN THIS PROJECT. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M CONCERNED THAT WE PRIORITIZE CAR FLOW ABOVE PIKE BED, PIKE BIKE P, AND CAR INTERACTIONS AS HIGHLY AS WE SHOULD. I THINK TRAFFIC ENGINEERS TEND TO WANNA MOVE TRAFFIC AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CONFLICTING MODES OF TRANSPORTATION DOWN ON THE SOUTH END OF THIS PROJECT THAT WE HAVE TO BE EVEN MORE THOUGHTFUL OF. AND I THINK IT'S ALMOST CERTAIN THAT SOME FUTURE COUNCIL IS GONNA HAVE TO REDESIGN PARTS OF THIS THING AND SPEND MORE MONEY AND REDO IT AND MAKE IT DIFFERENT AND OR BETTER IN, IN DIFFERENT WAYS. I WONDER IF WE LET THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE HONED, ESTABLISHED IN THE SUVS THAT WE'VE DONE ALREADY SORT OF DICTATE THE APPROACH FOR THIS PROJECT WHEN IT MIGHT'VE BEEN DIFFERENT. AND, AND THOSE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED ARE GREAT LESSONS AND WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB AND I THINK THEY'RE GONNA SERVE US GREAT ON ADANTE AND COFFEE POT. I THINK THOSE ARE KIND OF DIFFERENT CALIBER PROJECTS. I THINK WE MISSED IT ON THIS ONE. THE WHOLE COMPLETE STREETS ELEMENT TO ME IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT THING WE ADDED IN OUR COMMUNITY PLAN. AND WE NEED TO BE MUCH MORE ACTIVE AND CURRENT AND NOW ABOUT THINKING ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT IT AND HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT AND WHEN, AND YES, IT'S GONNA COST SOME MONEY, BUT THAT'S A POLICY CONVERSATION THAT THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO HAVE AND A BUDGET PRIORITY SETTING ELEMENT THAT WE NEED TO TAKE ON. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME CHANGES IN OUR APPROACH BEFORE THE NEXT COMPLEX QUARTER. SUP COMES ALONG. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ONE IS. I DON'T SEE IT RIGHT NOW. I DON'T THINK IT'S COFFEE POT. I THINK WHAT WE'RE THE APPROACH THAT WE'RE USING SO FAR IS GONNA WORK OUT, WELL, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO ANTE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT OTHER SUVS THAT APPROACH, YOU KNOW, THESE MORE HIGHLY COMPLEX AREAS. SO AGAIN, I I WANNA SAY YES, I'M, I'M DISAPPOINTED ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE USED AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA PRODUCE A PROJECT THAT'S GONNA BE GOOD AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN GREAT. AND THIS CITY HAS THE MONEY TO DO SOME GREAT THINGS. FOREST ROAD IS ONE OF 'EM. IT'S A GREAT PROJECT AND IT COSTS AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF MONEY. THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY COSTS, AS THE VICE MAYOR SAID, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY WHEN YOU TOTALIZE THE WHOLE THING. AND WE'RE GONNA REDO ELEMENTS OF THIS TO SORT OF MAKE IT EVEN BETTER IN THE FUTURE. I'M SORRY, FUTURE COUNCILS, THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO REDO THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T QUITE GET RIGHT. BUT I DO WANNA SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. IT IS GONNA BE AN IMPROVEMENT. THERE'S GONNA BE GREAT CONNECTIVITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE GET THAT CONNECTION THROUGH [03:45:01] THE STATE TRUST LAND INTO THAT OTHER ELEMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT'S GONNA BE GREAT. I DON'T KNOW EAST SIDE OR WEST SIDE, WHAT WAS THE RIGHT DECISION? I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S 6 0 1 AND HALF A DOZEN THE OTHER IN A WAY. BUT IF WE STARTED DOWN ON 80 9:00 AM LET THAT DICTATE WHICH SIDE OF THE ROAD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT SIDE OF THE ROAD IS GONNA BE THE BEST SIDE FOR A SIDEWALK DOWN CLOSER TO 89 A, BUT THAT MIGHT'VE HAD MORE INFLUENCE ABOUT WHAT SIDE RUNS FURTHER NORTH. AND EVENTUALLY YEP. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONNECT TO THE WEST SIDE BECAUSE THERE'S SUP UP BY THE DEVIL'S BRIDGE PARKING LOT ON THE WEST SIDE IS THE RIGHT, THAT WAS THE RIGHT CALL FOR SURE. AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE CROSSING DRY CREEK ROAD. DRY CREEK ROAD IS A BUSY ROAD. I AM NOT YET, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RECONCILE THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD YEARS OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT SPEED ON DRY CREEK ROAD. WE HAVE PEOPLE AFRAID TO DEATH TO MAKE LEFT HAND TURNS, AND YET OUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS SAYS WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RECONCILE THAT. AND MAYBE WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT RIGHT FROM THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, THE WARRANT. I MEAN, YOU CAN HAVE OTHER SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES INVOLVING SPEEDS, RESTRICTED VISIBILITY IN A HISTORY OF SERIOUS ACCIDENTS. THERE'S OTHER ELEMENTS TO WAYS THAT WE LOOK AT THIS THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING. SO I HOPE TO SEE A CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. I WANT, I AM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT. I I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT AMENITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU PETE. DEREK, I SUPPORT THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED. KATHY, I WENT. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO ADD. I THOUGHT YOU HAD. OKAY, HOLLY. WELL, I SUPPORT THE PROJECT, UH, FOR SURE. I, UH, I AGREE WITH PETE MAYBE FOR THE SAME OR DIFFERENT REASONS, BUT I, AND FOR, IN TERMS OF POLICY. SO SANDY, YOU SAID, WELL, YOU DON'T WANT US TO BRING YOU A $5 MILLION PROJECT THAT'S GONNA TAKE 18 MONTHS. WELL, MAYBE WE DO. OKAY. BRING IT TO US AND LET US DISCUSS IT AND DECIDE WHICH IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. MAYBE IT IS, MAYBE IT ISN'T. MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE TO CHUNK IT UP, MAYBE IT DOESN'T, BUT DON'T ASSUME THINGS ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING WHEN WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO EVEN OPINE ON IT. OKAY. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU ALYSSA. SO I SUPPORT THE PROJECT. I HAVE ALWAYS SUPPORTED THE SUVS. I WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE SUVS. HOWEVER, I DO AGREE, AND WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT THIS ON MONDAY, THAT WHITE BEAR IS A PROBLEM. UM, I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO SAYS, OH, I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO USE THE LIGHT AT DRY CREEK WHEN I LEAVE HERE AND NOT TRY TO TURN LEFT FROM ROTOR RUNNER. WHICH MEANS I'M GOING THROUGH A WHITE BEAR QUITE FREQUENTLY. AND IT IS DIFFICULT. YOU CANNOT SEE, UM, VERY WELL COMING TO THE RIGHT AS I'M TURNING LEFT, THEY ARE TRUCKS THAT WILL COME AND PARK TO DROP OFF FOOD SUPPLIES AT THE BEER COMPANY BLOCKING THE ROAD. AND THEN OTHER CARS WILL COME SPEEDING AROUND THEM AND YOU CAN'T SEE THEM BECAUSE THERE'S A TRUCK IN YOUR VISION. YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE TRYING TO TURN LEFT OR RIGHT OUT OF THE LIBRARY. UM, AND THEY NOT PAYING ATTENTION EITHER. THAT INTERSECTION IS A TOUGH INTERSECTION AND IT NARROWS. PEOPLE GO AND THEY, THEY TURN VERY, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A NARROW TURN OFF OF 89 A ONTO DRY CREEK THERE. AND YOU FREQUENTLY WILL SEE PEOPLE MAYBE A COUPLE INCHES LITERALLY AWAY FROM A CAR THAT'S GOING TO TURN LEFT OFF OF DRY CREEK ONTO 89 A. UM, THAT I AGREE, WE, THAT'S A PROBLEM. THAT WHOLE AREA IS A PROBLEM. AND, UM, NOT KNOWING HOW YOU'RE GONNA SOLVE IT, UM, DOES MAKE ME A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE. I MEAN, I HAD THIS CONVERSATION, UM, WITH, WITH ANDY JUST THIS WEEK, UM, THAT IT'S CONCERNING THAT WE DIDN'T SORT OF, YOU PROBABLY EVEN HAVE IDEAS OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO. WE DON'T KNOW THEM. AND SO WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE MISSING AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS WHOLE CONNECTION. AND UM, [03:50:01] IT'S NOT HELPFUL FOR YOU TO HIDE IT TO YOURSELVES, . UM, WE MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND IT, BUT IF YOU GIVE US A HIGH LEVEL CONCEPTUAL DRAWING THAT TELLS US WHERE THE LANES ARE AND WHERE YOU CAN PUT SS AND ALL, WE COULD GET THAT RIGHT PICTURE BOOK STYLE, RIGHT, ABBY? WE'LL BE, WE WILL BE FINE. I AT LEAST I I I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE VICE MAYOR AND I WOULD BE FINE, RIGHT? UM, GRAPHIC NOVEL WOULD BE GREAT WITH PEOPLE AND EVERYTHING. UM, I ALSO AGREE AROUND THE COMPLETE STREETS. I REALIZE THIS IS MORE THIS LATEST COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH A LOT OF THE SUVS WERE NOT A PART OF THAT HAD BEEN BUILT. BUT IF YOU'RE PLANNING, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD THIS FROM ME MANY TIMES, RIGHT? THE HUMAN FACTOR IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THESE TO BE USABLE. UM, IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW FAST THE CARS ARE GOING. IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THE CARS TO USE THOSE SUVS IS ABOUT HUMAN FACTORS. YOU WANT HUMANS TO USE THAT. YOU WANT THEM TO BE WALKING, YOU WANT THEM TO BE RIDING BICYCLES AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THOSE FACTORS. IT COULD BE SHADE STRUCTURES, IT COULD BE PLACES TO SIT. IT COULD BE WATER. LIKE YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT A WATER REFILL STATION UP AT LIZARD HEAD. MM-HMM . COULD WE HAVE ONE IN, IN GRAY BACK? RIGHT? IT'S A PARK. THERE ARE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY'LL STOP. I UNDERSTAND WE WE'RE GONNA PUT SOME AMENITIES IN THERE FOR, BESIDES THE HORSE MOUNT FOR WORKING OUT. UM, WOULDN'T WATER REFILL STATION MAYBE BE A NICE THING THERE, RIGHT? UH, DO THEY HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE LIBRARY TO USE THE LIBRARIES WATER REFILLS? SO THOSE ARE LITTLE THINGS THAT TO ME, MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE TO USE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, IS WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO USE THEM. SO I HEAR YOU. NOT EVERY PLACE CAN SUPPORT PUTTING IN TREES. NOT EVERY PLACE CAN SUPPORT PUTTING IN WATER. I I GET THAT. BUT IF YOU HAVE THOSE IN THOSE PICTURES FOR US TO SEE AND THEN EXPLAIN WHY THEY'RE NOT IN THE PICTURES THAT YOU'RE SHOWING US, THEN WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALTERNATIVES OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, OR PHASING WHAT, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET PEOPLE LIKE LYME TO COME TO OUR CITY AND LIME RENTS SCOOTERS AND E-BIKES AND LIKE ALL THAT STUFF. AND I SEE THEM IN SEATTLE AND LOTS OF PLACES AND YOU KNOW WHY THEY WON'T COME BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS. THEY DON'T WANT THEIR EQUIPMENT BEING RUN ON THE STREETS. THEY WANT THEM TO BE ON PEDESTRIAN WAYS AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THOSE. SO IF WE WANT TO START TO ATTRACT THOSE, WE NEED THESE SUVS. SO I JUST FEEL LIKE I'M GONNA GO IN A CIRCLE. SO I'M GONNA STOP NOW AND SAY I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND I HOPE GOING FORWARD WITH THEM, WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF IT END TO END AND WHERE SOME OF THOSE HUMAN THINGS MIGHT BE PLACED. AND THANK YOU, BY THE WAY, FOR ALL THIS WORK. OKAY. UM, I SUPPORT THE PROJECT, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS, BUT I SUPPORT THE STAFF WORK THAT'S DONE. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE FUTURE, COMPLETE PATHS DONE INSTEAD OF STARTING, STARTING, STARTING STOPPING AND HAVE THEM INCOMPLETE FOR A WHILE. UH, I THINK IT GIVES THE THE WRONG MESSAGE TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY CAN'T FINISH A PROJECT. SO, UH, I KNOW, UH, SANBORN, WHEN YOU DID THAT, THAT SANDY, YOU'RE RIGHT. WE, WE CAUGHT HELL FOR THAT PROJECT AND NOW PEOPLE LOVE IT. THERE WAS SO MUCH UNKNOWN BACK THEN. AND NOW PEOPLE SEEM TO LIKE, WELL YOU CAN'T SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT 'CAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS PEOPLE HERE THAT HAVE AN ISSUE. UH, BUT UH, ESPECIALLY ON DRY CREEK ROAD, AND NOW I'M WAITING FOR ANTE. THESE ARE IMPORTANT ROADS TO MAKE OUR PEOPLE KEEP OUR PEOPLE SAFE. AND UH, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. UH, I THINK YOU, YOU SIGNED TO DO A LOT MOVING FORWARD. YOU'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, REAL QUICK PROJECTS. WHAT WAS THE ONE THAT, UH, OH, THE ONE ON 1 79 WASN'T, WASN'T MENTIONED ON YOUR LIST. I DON'T BELIEVE. LITTLE HORSE. LITTLE HORSE. YEAH. WAS IT UP THERE? WE'LL BE BACK IN TWO WEEKS, WHICH HE THANKS . AND THAT'S A SIMPLE ONE. YEAH. AND UH, AND THAT'S REALLY NEEDED BECAUSE I COME OUT OF UH, LITTLE HORSE TRAILHEAD SOMETIMES THROUGH THE PARKING LOT. AND TO GET TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD YOU CAN'T, IT'S NOT SAFE TO WALK. SO I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. UH, [03:55:01] AND UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT COME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT GO STRAIGHT UP THE CHAPEL ROAD, WHICH IS, I THINK GOING HELP PEOPLE BE SAFE. SO, UH, YEAH. SO I DO SUPPORT THIS. CAN I HAVE A MOTION? CAN I MOVE TO APPROVE THE AWARD OF THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH DOJI DEVELOPMENT LLC FOR THE DRY CREEK ROAD SHARED USE PATHWAY IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT, GRINGO ROAD TO WHITE BEAR ROAD, INCLUDING THE PATH ALIGNMENT CHANGE BETWEEN KACHINA DRIVE AND WHITE BEAR ROAD IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $1,930,259, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE WRITTEN CONTRACT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SECOND, SECOND. SECOND BY MELISSA. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. GREAT JOB, SANDY. I LIKE THE PRESENTATION'S GETTING BETTER AND BETTER. THANK YOU. AND JONATHAN, WELCOME ABOARD. THANK YOU. OKAY, UH, WE STILL HAVE TWO MORE TO GO. ITEM [8.c. AB 3188 Discussion/possible direction/action regarding proposed State legislation, short-term rental legislation, lobbying efforts, and State budget and their potential impact on the City of Sedona.] C, AB 31 88, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION ACTION REGARDING PROPOSED STATE LEGISLATION, SHORT TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION, LOBBYING EFFORTS AND STATE BUDGET, AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE CITY OF SEDONA. MONIQUE, I KNOW YOU HAVE AN AWFUL LOT THERE FOR US, RIGHT? I'LL BE VERY BRIEF. UH, SO ALL EYES ARE ON THE, UH, BUDGET PROCESS. SO HERE WE ARE ONE WEEK AWAY FROM JULY 1ST, AND THE STATE DOES NOT YET HAVE A BUDGET FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THE, UH, HOUSE TODAY, UH, AT THE LEGISLATURE, THEY DID APPROVE A BUDGET AND THE, UM, GOVERNOR HOBBES IMMEDIATELY SAID IT WAS A FARCE AND SHE WOULD VETO IT IF IT COMES TO HER DESK IN THAT CONDITION. IT IS BEING HEARD, UH, BEFORE THE SENATE TOMORROW MORNING. UH, SO THEY MIGHT MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, BUT THERE'S REALLY VERY LITTLE HOPE THAT THAT CURRENT, UM, BUDGET WILL WILL PASS. SO THERE'S STILL A WEEK, UM, FINGERS CROSSED THAT WE HAVE A STATE BUDGET. SO WE DON'T HAVE OUR FIRST EVER, UH, STATE SHUTDOWN. SO, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR OUR LEGISLATIVE UPDATE. OKAY. THANK YOU MONIQUE. AND THEN [8.e. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items.] OUR FINAL ITEM, A AB 30 66 DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS. MR. MAYOR? YES, MELISSA? I ACTUALLY HAVE TWO. WELL, YOU ONLY ONE AT, AT PAST NINE O'CLOCK. PAST NINE CLOCK. WELL I WAS GOING, I WAS GOING TO . I WAS ONLY GONNA HAVE ONE, BUT SOMEHOW I ENDED UP WITH TWO. OKAY. SO ONE IS ON, UM, US HAVING A DISCUSSION ON THE POLICY AND PROCEDURES REGARDING THE ANNUAL EVALUATION OF THOSE POSITIONS DIRECTLY REPORTING TO CITY COUNCIL. SO PEOPLE INTERESTED IN US HAVING THAT CONVERSATION? I AM. YEP. YES. I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE ALL, THEY, THEY JUST NEED TO KNOW THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA. , RIGHT? AND IT WHAT MIGHT VERY WELL BE A WORK SESSION. IT COULD BE A WORK SESSION JUST ON AN AGENDA. UM, THE OTHER ONE IS GIVEN ALL OF THE SOCIAL MEDIA AND MEDIA AND EMAILS WE RECEIVED, I WAS WONDERING WHAT THE COUNCIL THOUGHT ABOUT HAVING, UM, UH, MAYBE EVEN JUST A LITTLE WORK SESSION ON THE FLOCK CAMERAS, UM, TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY DO, WHY WE HAVE THEM, WHAT DATA IS COLLECTED, HOW IT'S STORED. YOU SHARED BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. I WAS GONNA BRING THIS UP AND KATHY WAS GONNA BRING IT UP. YEAH, WE WANNA HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, BUT I WANNA HAVE IT AT IF YOU IN AGREEMENT AT A TIME WHEN PD CAN PRESENT TO US. 'CAUSE I KNOW STEPHANIE'S WORKING ON POLICIES, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THIS, THIS SHOULD BE FROM PD BECAUSE THAT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FLOCK CAMERAS. AND THAT'S WHY I SAID THIS COULD JUST BE A WORK SESSION AT SOME POINT IN TIME SO THAT WE CAN EXPLAIN IT THINK SOONERS LATER, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE READY FOR IT. DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE WANT TO, WE, I GUESS THERE'S A QUESTION I HAVE IS, ARE THESE CAMERAS ACTIVE? ARE WE SHARING, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DISCUSS ANYTHING ABOUT THEM. WE WANNA HAVE THIS WORK SESSION BEFORE THEY'RE ON, BEFORE THEY'RE ACTIVE. IS THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN HAVE IT OR IS THAT NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION NOW. WE HAVE THE TOPIC. WE CANNOT HAVE THE DISCUSSION NOW. DO YOU WANT TO HAVE IT? IT'LL BE ON AGENDA AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE CANNOT DISCUSS IT AND ASK QUESTIONS. THAT'S THE POLICY. SO I THINK WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE I'LL, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT TOO. I SUPPORT IT ABSOLUTELY. EVERYBODY'S WILLING TO DO. GREAT. SO, AND IF I MIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, PDS WELL AWARE OF THIS LEVEL OF INTEREST AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BRING IT TO YOU FAIRLY QUICKLY. AND I ALSO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT OUR POLICE POLICY MANUAL [04:00:01] IS THE STATE'S MANUAL THAT WE ADOPT. SO THERE'S ALREADY A POLICY ABOUT THESE IN THE STATE'S POLICIES. THE WHAT STEPHANIE'S WORKING ON IS JUST THE MINOR REVISIONS TO, FOR, TO MAKE IT SPECIFIC TO SEDONA. BUT THERE'S ALREADY A POLICY. SO I THINK THE COMMUNITY IS INTERESTED IN KNOWING THAT WE'RE, WE HAVE POLICIES THAT SAFEGUARD AND PROTECT THEIR PRIVACY AND THEIR MM-HMM . AND THEY DON'T, THE WAY THAT THE ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN DOES NOT COINCIDE NECESSARILY WITH THE REALITY OF HOW THE CAMERAS ARE GONNA BE USED. RIGHT. AND WHAT THE PURPOSE IS AND WHY WE'RE DOING IT AND HOW WE'RE GONNA PROTECT PEOPLE. OKAY. SO, UH, YOU, THAT'S YOUR TWO, MELISSA? YEAH. THOSE, THOSE WERE MY TWO. OKAY. YEP. HOLLY, DID YOU HAVE ANY? THAT WAS, THAT WAS IT. OKAY. THAT WAS MINE. OKAY. ALRIGHT THEN. WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW AT THREE O'CLOCK HERE. IT [10. ADJOURNMENT] MEANS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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