Jul 15, 2025 Planning and Zoning

SO CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS PROJECT IS THE APPLICANT ON THE PROJECT AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL, UM, AS THE PROPERTY OWNER.

AND SO, UM, GETTING SOME CLEAR DIRECTION FROM THEM ON THE DIRECTION THE PLAN IS GOING IS, IS THE GOAL, BUT IT'S NOT AGENDIZED FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN SEPTEMBER 10TH.

THERE WILL BE A WORK SESSION WITH CITY COUNCIL.

AND SO MAYBE THE FOLLOWING MONTH IT MIGHT BE ON PNCS? POTENTIALLY.

YEAH, THERE'S, I MEAN IT DEPENDS ON WHAT DIRECTION THEY GIVE AND IF WE NEED TO OKAY.

MAKE ANY FURTHER EDITS TO THE PLAN.

COULD I ASK A QUESTION? YES.

, KURT, WILL, YOU SAID THERE WERE SOME SMALL, UM, GROUPS, FOUR TO SIX PEOPLE MM-HMM .

THAT YOU'RE MEETING WITH.

ARE THOSE, UH, SUBJECT MA BY SUBJECT MATTER, OR WHAT GROUPS ARE THOSE? IT'S EVERYTHING.

UM, SO WE'VE MET WITH, YEAH, JUST STEVE CAN WEIGH IN.

I'M A LITTLE BIT, SO WE DID A, UH, A FAIRLY INTENSIVE SEARCH OF, OF, UH, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN VOCAL ABOUT THE PROJECT AND HAVE INCLUDED ALL DIFFERENT OPINIONS, PEOPLE FROM ALL DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON THE PROJECT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE PROBABLY HAVE, UH, WE HAVE AT LEAST 20 MEETINGS, POSSIBLY CLOSER TO 30, UH, THROUGHOUT THE MONTH OF JULY THAT WE ARE MEETING WITH THESE DIFFERENT GROUPS.

AND WILL THERE BE ANOTHER ITERATION OF THE PLAN BASED ON THAT OR, SO ALL, ALL OF THIS DATA THAT WE'RE GONNA GATHER IS GONNA BE BROUGHT, BROUGHT FORTH TO THE WORK SESSION WITH COUNSEL AND THEN, UH, IT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, MY BEST GUESS IS THAT YES, BASED UPON WHAT WE LEARNED FROM COUNSEL AND ALL THAT INFORMATION, THERE WILL BE, UH, ANOTHER ITERATION THAT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO, UH, P AND Z.

THE INTER THE, IT WOULD BE BASED ON COUNCIL'S DIRECTION BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE'RE GETTING, CORRECT? CORRECT.

BASED ON, I'M SORRY, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW, COUNCIL WILL GIVE US DIRECTION ON WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE ON THE PLAN.

ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES, MAY 20TH, 2025 SITE VISIT AND THE MAY 20TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING.

SO THANK YOU.

SO , COULD SOMEONE MAKE THE ROOM COOLER PLEASE? THANK YOU.

CLOSE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.

GO ON TO AGENDA

[3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES]

CHANGES, THEY STAND APPROVED.

IF THERE ARE NO, UM, RECOMMENDED

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CLOSE THAT ITEM.

GO ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC FORUM.

THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.

THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS SECTION 38 DASH 4 31 H.

ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.

UH, I HAVE ONE CARD HERE FROM NICK CIVIC THAT DOESN'T, UH, SPECIFY THE AGENDA ITEM.

CAN I ASSUME IT'S NOT NUMBER FOUR, WHOMEVER IS NICK OUT IN THE, IT'S OKAY.

SO I WILL, UH, I'LL PUT DOWN FIVE A ON THAT.

WILL CLOSE THAT ITEM AND GO ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES, A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A ZONE CHANGE FROM RS 18, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO CO COMMERCIAL TO ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR THE HILLSIDE SHOPPING CENTER.

[5.a. Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for approval of a Zone Change (ZC) from RS-18 (Single Family Residential) to CO (Commercial) to allow for development of additional parking for the Hillside Shopping Center. The subject properties are located at 62 & 86 Royal Glen Lane, east of the Hillside Shopping Center and northeast of the intersection of State Route 179 and Sombart Lane. APN: 401-19-012 & -013A.]

THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED AT 62 AND 86 ROYAL GLEN LANE, EAST OF THE HILLSIDE SHOPPING CENTER ON NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROUTE 1 79 AND SAMBAR LANE, ARIZONA PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 1 DASH NINE DASH ZERO TWO AND 0 1 3 A.

THE CASE NUMBER IS PZ 25 0 0 0 0 3, ZONE CHANGE PROPERTY OWNER MCA HILLSIDE, LLC, REPRESENTED BY TYLER MADDOX.

AND THE APPLICANT IS MCA REALTY, INC.

REPRESENTED BY TO HAN HANRAHAN.

HANRAHAN .

A ZONE CHANGE FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL TO BRING THE CURRENT NON PERMITTED GRAVEL PARKING LOT INTO COMPLIANCE.

SO, UM, THE WAY THIS MEETING WILL PROCEED IS THAT STAFF WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION.

UH, THE COMMISSION WILL ASK ANY QUESTIONS.

WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND PUBLIC COMMENT.

IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD.

THEY'RE OVER THERE AT THE FRONT DESK.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES EACH, AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION, AND A DECISION BY THE COMMISSION.

SO, MEGAN, WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU.

UM, HELLO MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

SO, AS YOU SAID, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A ZONE CHANGE CASE NUMBER PZ 25 DASH 0 0 0 3.

UM, PROJECT SUMMARY.

THIS, UH, IS LOCATED, THE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED BEHIND THE, UH, HILLSIDE SHOPPING CENTER AND THE PROPERTY OWNER AND APPLICANT ARE HERE AND WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

UM, THIS IS A 1.6 VACANT AND, UM, NON PERMITTED OVERFLOW PARKING LOT.

AND THE APPLICATION IS FOR REZONE FROM RS 18, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL TO BE DEVELOPED AS A LEGAL PARKING LOT.

UM, THE PROPERTIES, AS YOU CAN SEE ARE EAST OF STATE ROUTE 1 79 AND THE VICINITY MAP, THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED IN GRAY-ISH .

AND HERE'S AN AERIAL MAP OF THE PROPERTIES.

SO COMMUNITY PLAN AND ZONING.

UM, THE PROPERTIES ARE DESIGNATED AS MIXED USE IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND REZONING MAY BE CONSIDERED, UH, WITHOUT AN AMENDMENT IF IT, THE, UM, PROPOSED ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MIXED USE AREA.

CURRENT ZONING IS RS 18, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, LIKE I SAID.

AND THE PROPOSED ZONING IS CO CO COMMERCIAL.

UH, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN MAP HERE, THE PROPERTIES, UM, SURROUNDING OUR MIXED USE, MULTIFAMILY MEDIUM DENSITY AND MULTIFAMILY HIGH DENSITY DOWN, UM, TO THE SOUTH ARE WHERE THE MEDIUM AND HIGH DENSITY ARE.

THE REST IS COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE.

AND THE ZONING MAP WE HAVE, UM, TO THE NORTH AND WEST PROPERTIES, OUR ZONE COMMERCIAL AND PARKING.

AND TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

UM, AND TO THE EAST WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

AND THE PD IS, UH, THAT, UH, MULTIFAMILY.

SO THE PROPOSAL IS, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING

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THE PREVIOUS GRADED AREA IS THE ONLY AREA THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE PAVED.

THE REST OF THE, UH, PROPERTIES WILL REMAIN AS THEY ARE CURRENTLY.

UM, THE PARKING LOT WILL INCLUDE 26 PARKING SPACES AND WILL INCLUDE TANDEM PARKING, WHICH IS WHY THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FOR IT TO BE EMPLOYEE ONLY PARKING 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT THAT TROUBLE WITH CUSTOMERS.

AND SOME OF THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS WILL INCLUDE A PEDESTRIAN PATH FROM THE EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT TO HILLSIDE 20 BICYCLE PARKING SPACES WILL BE ADDED TO THE COMMON AREA OF HILLSIDE, WHICH THEY DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE ANY.

SO THEY WILL BE ADDING 20 OF THEM.

UM, EXTERIOR LIGHTING THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE WILL BECOME, UM, WILL BECOME COMPLIANT 'CAUSE IT IS NOT COMPLIANT CURRENTLY.

AND, UM, SIGNAGE WILL BE ADDED FOR EMPLOYEE ONLY PARKING.

UM, THE REVIEW CRITERIA, SO IT SHOWS THE CRITERIA THAT WAS USED TO EVALUATE THE ZONE CHANGE FOR COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND GOALS AND POLICIES IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND ADOPTED PLANS, WHICH INCLUDE THE GO SEDONA PATHWAYS PLAN, THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, AND THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.

UH, SECTION 8.3 E FIVE IS APPROVAL CRITERIA FOR APPLICABLE TO ALL APPLICATIONS.

SO STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE PROPOSAL DOESN'T CONTRADICT ANY PO POLICIES AND THE FULL EVALUATION WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AND THE STAFF REPORT, UH, PUBLIC INPUT, THE CITI CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET MATERIALS.

UH, STAFF COMPLETED THE REQUIRED PUBLIC NOTICING AND ALL COMMENTS WERE PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION.

AND FEEL FREE TO ASK ME OR THE APPLICANT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UM, SO EVALUATION AND RECOMMENDED, UM, AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, STAFF BELIEVES THIS APPLICATION MEETS THE REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR A ZONE CHANGE.

AND BASED ON THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCES REQUIREMENTS AS CONDITIONED, UM, WE, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WERE LISTED AT THE END OF THE STAFF REPORT.

AND THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.

, THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS UP HERE, CHARLOTTE.

UM, COULD SOMEBODY GIVE ME A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WHAT BROUGHT THIS TO THE CITY? DID THE CITY DISCOVER THIS DISCREPANCY? DID THE APPLICANT JUST DECIDE AT SOME POINT THEY WANTED TO MAKE THIS CHANGE? WHAT, WHAT BROUGHT BROUGHT THIS? SO THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, HAD SUBMITTED A PERMIT TO CONVERT SOME OF THE SPACE WITHIN THEIR EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER TO A RESTAURANT USE, WHICH REQUIRES MORE PARKING THAN A RETAIL USE.

SO WE ASKED FOR A PARKING EVALUATION OF THAT TO DETERMINE IF WE COULD ALLOW THE CHANGE OF USE, AND THEN THE QUESTION OF WHETHER WE COULD COUNT THE PARKING.

AND THIS LOT CAME UP, IT WAS SO, SO WE CAN'T PRECIPITATED IT.

I, IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMETHING IN THE WORKS OR AT LEAST CONTEMPLATED.

SO, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

DID THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION? THEY HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION AND THEY CAN ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS AS WELL.

CAN YOU MOVE YOUR MICROPHONE CLOSER TO YOUR MOUTH TOO, I THINK IS WHAT DONNA IS SAYING.

NOBODY EVER SAID I WAS SOFT SPOKEN.

SO THAT'S INTERESTING.

THERE'S A FIRST FOR EVERYTHING.

MIC'S BROKEN.

UM, OKAY.

AND THEN WITHIN THE PACKET IT'S, IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, COMBINING THE PARCELS, COMBINING ALL THE PARCELS.

I WASN'T REALLY SURE IF THEY MEANT THE TWO PARCELS, UH, THAT WE, THAT THEY ARE SEEKING THE ZONE CHANGE FOR, OR IF THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT COMBINING THESE TWO PARCELS WITH THE PARCELS THAT COMPRISE THE HILLSIDE SHOPPING CENTER.

SO THEY'RE JUST COMBINING THE TWO PARCELS WITH THE PARKING LOT.

THEY CAN'T COMBINE ALL OF THEM BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY PLAN FOR HILLSIDE IS COMMERCIAL AND THIS IS MIXED USE, SO YOU CAN'T COMBINE THEM.

BUT THERE WILL BE A PARKING AGREEMENT THAT IS WRITTEN UP AND, UM, RECORDED SAYING THAT THIS PARKING LOT IS SPECIFICALLY GOING TO BE USED FOR AN OVERFLOW PARKING LOT FOR HILLSIDE SHOPPING CENTER.

COMMENTS ON THAT FOR THE COMMENT SECTION OF THE DISCUSSION SECTION.

AND, AND I'LL SAVE MY

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UM, WE TALK ABOUT BUFFERING, WHAT KIND OF BUFFERING, UH, AND MAYBE THAT'S AN APPLICANT QUESTION.

UM, ARE THEY CONTEMPLATING? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S AN APPLICANT QUESTION.

WELL, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WOULD, WOULD REQUIRE LANDSCAPE BUFFERING BETWEEN COMMERCIAL LOTS AND, UH, SINGLE IN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

AND SO JUST ALONG THE ONE PROPERTY LINE THAT THEY SHARE WITH, UM, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY JUST TO THE SOUTH MM-HMM .

EAST, ANY POINTERS YOU HAVE WOULD BE APPRECIATED TOO.

UM, THIS ONE HERE ALONG, SO ALONG THIS PROPERTY LINE HERE, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE, UM, A LANDSCAPE BUFFER OR CAN YOU SEE THAT RIGHT HERE? OKAY.

UM, AND THAT, NOT TO GET TOO FAR AHEAD OF MYSELF, BUT THAT'S NOT, UM, MR. BURSTS PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, MR. BURST LIVES OVER HERE AND THE GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN THOSE TWO LOTS, UM, WOULD BE THE REQUIRED BUFFERING.

ESSENTIALLY.

THERE'S NOTHING EXTRA THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO THAT PROPERTY LINE.

UM, THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT STORM WATER POLLUTION PREVENTION MEASURES.

GEE, I WISH SARAH WAS HERE.

BUT ANYWAY, , UM, WHAT, WHAT'S ANTICIPATED TO BE DONE THERE TO ADDRESS THAT HANUKKAH CAN.

NICE.

SO CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? BARELY .

SORRY.

UM, SO ANY PARKING LOT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S PAVED, WHICH THIS PLAN, UH, PROPOSES REQUIRES SOME KIND OF RETENTION, DETENTION FILTRATION, AND SO THAT'S THE STORM WATER POLLUTION PREVENTION I'M TALKING ABOUT.

BUT I BELIEVE SOMEONE WE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY GOING GRAVEL, UM, YOU WANT ME TO SPEAK, YOU NEED TO COME UP TO A MICROPHONE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

OH, I'M SORRY.

I CAN, THIS, THIS CAN NOT BE A CONVERSATION AND I COULD WORD IT IN NOT A QUESTION.

UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF SURFACING THEY CHOOSE TO GO WITH, UM, IS GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT KINDS OF REQUIREMENTS.

AND THAT'S WHY ONE OF MY COMMENTS WAS TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE MOVE FORWARD, LET'S GET A GRADING PERMIT SO THEN WE CAN GET ALL OF THOSE, UM, STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION MEASURES.

CORRECT AND APPROPRIATE.

AND APPARENTLY AN EARLY ANTICIPATED USE FOR SOME OF THIS PROPERTY WAS SOME SORT OF WASTEWATER RECLAMATION TEMPORARY WATER, NO TEMPORARY WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY.

DID THAT NEED GO AWAY OR THAT WAS ABANDONED, I BELIEVE IN THE NINETIES, DECADES AGO, UM, BEFORE SEDONA WAS ON SEWER.

AND NOW THAT THEY ARE, THAT'S BEEN ABANDONED, SO IT SHOULDN'T BE IN USE.

WHEN YOU SAY ABANDONED, THAT PLAN WAS ABANDONED, THERE WAS NOTHING CONSTRUCTED, IS THAT RIGHT? NO, I BELIEVE THERE, THERE WAS LIKE A WHOLE SMALL, OR I GUESS SMALL TREATMENT PLANT, LARGE SEPTIC SYSTEM TYPE INFRASTRUCTURE DECADES AGO, BUT THAT'S BEEN ABANDONED.

HMM.

UM, OKAY.

I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE LOTS NOT BEING COMBINED, BUT NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT.

UM, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW FOR ME.

UH, SOME KIND OF WAY RUNOFF FOR THE WATER.

QUESTIONS ON THIS SIDE? I DO BE WILL'S CALLING.

IS THERE, IS THERE A RV PARKING SIGN IN THE BACK OF HILLSIDE WITH AN ARROW POINTING TOWARDS THAT LOT? YES, THERE IS.

AND SO IF THIS IS GOING TO BE EMPLOYEE PARKING, THAT WILL GO AWAY.

WE SHOULD BRING UP THE APPLICANT FOR THAT QUESTION.

OH, OKAY.

I CAN WAIT.

UM, I GUESS I, ALL OF MY QUESTIONS PROBABLY WOULD BE BEST FOR THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER.

SO, UH, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WHERE THERE'S, I DID A SITE VISIT, SO I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON AND THERE WAS SOME DEGRADATION OF THE, UH, WHERE WATER HAS BEEN RUNNING AND ON THE HILLSIDE, I HAVE TO ASSUME THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED, THAT, THAT THE PERMIT IS GONNA REQUIRE A SIDEWALK ALONG THERE OR SOME KIND OF,

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SO, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE WAS I WAS HEARING.

SO THAT'S THE, I I'M ASSUMING THAT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED APPROPRIATELY BY PLANNING WHEN, UH, WHEN THERE'S A REQUEST PLANNING AND ENGINEERING, IF THIS GETS APPROVED, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REVIEW A PERMIT FOR PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS.

I, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF THERE'S A PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT THAT THEY SAY WHAT THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO DO THERE.

AT LEAST I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THAT.

UM, I THINK I ONLY HAVE LIKE ONE QUESTION FOR Y'ALL BEFORE THE APPLICANT.

SO WE'RE GOING FOR A ZONE CHANGE TO COMMERCIAL.

SO HYPOTHETICALLY THEY COULD MERGE ALL OF THE PARCELS AS WAS LIKE IN A HYPOTHETICAL WORLD, ONCE THESE ARE COMMERCIAL, THEY COULD MERGE IT WITH THE COMMERCIAL OF HILLSIDE PROPER.

NO, THEY JUST SAID HILLSIDE IS MIXED USE.

SO, SO THE COMMUNITY PLAN DESIGNATION ON THESE PROPERTIES IS DIFFERENT THAN THE COMMUNITY PLAN DESIGNATION.

OH, IT'S ABOUT COMMUNITY PLAN.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE ZONING MAP.

SO YEAH, WE CAN'T COMBINE PROPERTIES THAT WITH DIFFERENT MIX, WITH DIFFERENT COMMUNITY PLAN DESIGNATIONS.

PERFECT.

SO THAT LEADS PERFECTLY INTO MY NEXT QUESTION.

WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL ZONING WHEN WE COULD BE TALKING ABOUT M THREE THAT WOULD KEEP IT MIXED USE PARKING LOTS ARE ALLOWABLE IN THE TABLE OF, HONESTLY, THERE'S NOT VERY MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN M THREE AND COMMERCIAL, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S AN ACTUAL REASON WHY WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT KEEPING IT IF IT'S MIXED USE NOW AND MIXED USE DESIGNATED ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN.

WHY AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT M THREE? SO IT'S NOT MIXED USE RIGHT NOW IT'S SINGLE FAMILY.

YEAH, YEAH.

NO, ON THE, UM, COMMUNITY PLAN.

'CAUSE THE APPLICATION IS FOR COMMERCIAL ZONING.

UM, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY IN THINKING ABOUT THAT? I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE TABLE OF USES.

THE DIFFERENCES ARE NEGLIGIBLE IN THE TABLE OF USES, BUT IF THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS SAYING IT'S MIXED USE, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT M THREE.

IT ALLOWS FOR A PARKING LOT, IT ALLOWS FOR A LOT OF COMMERCIAL USES, IT ALLOWS FOR HOUSING A LOT OF SIMILARITIES BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND M THREE.

SO I'M THROWING THAT OUT INTO THE ETHER OF MY CONFUSION.

UM, IS, AND THEN MAYBE THIS IS A HANUK CO QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW.

UH, ARE WE, DOES CODE ALLOW FOR NEW ASPHALT OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE PERMEABLE? OUR CODE DOESN'T REQUIRE PERMEABLE PAVEMENTS.

WE ENCOURAGE IT.

UM, BUT IF THEY WANTED TO DO ASPHALT, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO, BUT THEN THAT WOULD TRIGGER, YOU KNOW, FILTRATION THE TENTION.

OKIE DOKIE.

THAT'S ALL MY STAFF QUESTIONS.

SO I DROVE THE SITE, I CAME UP FROM SOMBER, IS THAT HOW YOU SAY IT? SOBAR.

AND I CAME TO A GATE THAT WAS LOCKED AND I WAS CONFUSED BECAUSE THAT ROAD CONTINUED ON.

SO I WENT BACK AROUND SOMBER, CAME UP THROUGH HILLSIDE TO LOOK AT THE PARKING LOT AND WAS ABLE TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD A SHORT WAYS.

SO I WAS CONFUSED BECAUSE THE EXISTING SURVEYS SHOW EASEMENTS, I THINK TO GET TO THE, TO GET TO SOME HOUSES.

BUT I WAS CONFUSED WHY THERE WAS A GATE AND WHAT THE GATE WAS DOING AND WHO PUT THE GATE IN AND WHY IT'S THERE.

AND IF IN FACT, SOME OF THESE HOMES THAT I COULDN'T GET TO AFTER THE GATE ACTUALLY HAVE AN EASEMENT THROUGH HILLSIDE.

SO I I JUST NEED A CON CLARIFICATION ON THAT.

SO OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, WELL, THE FACTS ARE THAT SOM BART LANE IS PRIVATE AFTER THE ARABELLA HOTEL.

SO EVERYTHING AFTER THAT IS PRIVATE.

ANY EASEMENTS THAT WOULD BE ON THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE PRIVATE EASEMENTS.

THE CITY IS NOT PART OF THOSE.

UM, THE PEOPLE WHO, MY UNDERSTANDING THEN IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ACCESS THEIR HOUSES FROM SOBAR LANE HAVE ACCESS TO AN EASEMENT THERE.

AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO ACCESS THEIR HOMES THROUGH THE HILLSIDE SHOPPING CENTER HAVE AN EASEMENT THERE.

IT'S NOT A CONTINUOUS EASEMENT THROUGH THAT AREA.

SO THEY, WHEN THE GATE WENT IN, WE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH INTO THAT AND THERE IS NOTHING LEGALLY PREVENTING, THEY'RE NOT BLOCKING OFF ANYBODY'S, EVEN ANYBODY'S ACCESS TO THEIR HOUSE.

SO PEOPLE COMING ON SOBAR HAVE JOINT EASEMENTS BETWEEN PROPERTY OWNERS TO GET TO THE NEXT PROPERTY, BUT IT ENDS AT THE GATE.

THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO COME THROUGH HILLSIDE MM-HMM .

AND THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO CARRY IT ON TO THE OTHER PEOPLE.

AND THOSE THREE, TWO OR THREE HOMES, I TH I THINK MAYBE IT WAS JUST TWO HOMES,

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TO GET TO THEIR TWO HOMES.

CORRECT.

AND THAT EASEMENT WOULD OBVIOUSLY STAY IN PLACE? YEAH.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION.

WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, THE BARRIER FOR THE PARKING LOT, SO THAT LOT THAT, THAT RESIDENTIAL LOT THAT'S TO THE SOUTH, THAT ALREADY HAS A, A NATURAL BARRIER, YOU KNOW, QUITE A FEW DEEP OF BAMBOO.

DO YOU CONSIDER THAT A BARRIER OR WOULD YOU CONSIDER MORE, GET A MORE EXISTING LANDSCAPING CAN COUNT FOR THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN THE LAST THING IS, IS JUST A PROCEDURE QUESTION AS WE TALK ABOUT THE ZONE CHANGE, BECAUSE IT'S A ZONE CHANGE, IT HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

IS THAT CORRECT? 'CAUSE WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THIS DOESN'T STOP HERE.

OKAY, GREAT.

THAT'S ALL.

EVEN IF THE EXISTING VEGETATION IS ON THE PROP, THE, UM, PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER, DO YOU COUNT THAT AS BUFFERING? SO THE, THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

AND THE BUFFER.

AND SO IF THE LANDSCAPING IS ON THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, WE MAY NEED TO REQUIRE THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNER TO DO SOMETHING.

IF THE LANDSCAPING IS ON THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THEN IT CAN COUNT.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION I THOUGHT OF.

SURE.

SO IF THIS IS REZONED COMMERCIAL, CAN THE PARKING PROPOSED PARKING LOT BE INCREASED AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN ON THE SITES AS LONG AS THEY MEET PARKING REQUIREMENTS? YES.

I THINK I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC.

UM, THE APPLICANT DID HAVE I THINK A, A PRESENTATION PRESENTATION.

OH, OKAY.

IF THEY WANT, IF THEY STILL WANNA GIVE IT.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, CARRIE, DO I LOOK TO YOU TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? YOU CAN.

AND YOUR NAME IS, YOU CAN COME SIT HERE AND USE THE I'M HAPPY TO STAND.

THERE'S ONLY SEVEN SLIDES.

UM, GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS TOM HAN.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF ASSET MANAGEMENT AT MCA REALTY.

WE OWN AND MANAGE THE HILLSIDE SEDONA SHOPPING CENTER, INCLUDING THE SUBJECT PARCELS INVOLVED IN THIS REQUEST.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

THIS WILL BE A SHORT PRESENTATION AS OUR GOAL IS SIMPLE TO ADD MORE CONFORMING PARKING TO OUR CENTER SO THAT WE CAN SUPPORT OUR EXISTING BUSINESSES AND ATTRACT NEW, EXCITING BUSINESSES TO HILLSIDE.

WE'RE REQUESTING A ZONE CHANGE FOR TWO PARCELS FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY TO COMMERCIAL OFFICE.

THESE PARCELS HAVE LONG SERVED AS OVERFLOW PARKING FOR THE HILLSIDE SHOPPING CENTER.

OUR PROPOSAL IS TO FORMALIZE THE EXISTING USE BY PAVING AND STRIPING THE LOT TO MEET CITY STANDARDS.

WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE'LL EXPAND ON THIS IN FUTURE SLIDES.

THIS IS SIMPLY A CLEANUP OF AN EXISTING USE.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO THIS IS A PREVIOUSLY DISTURBED AREA DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE COMMERCIAL CENTER.

IT'S BEEN USED INFORMALLY AS A PARKING LOT FOR YEARS, BUT THE CURRENT ZONING DOESN'T SUPPORT THAT USE.

THIS ZONE CHANGE ALLOWS US TO BRING THE PARCELS INTO LEGAL COMPLIANCE AND INVEST IN MUCH NEEDED IMPROVEMENTS WITHOUT CHANGING THE NATURE OR INTENSITY OF HOW THE SITE IS USED.

WE ARE HERE TO DO, WE'RE HERE TO DO THE RIGHT THING TO IMPROVE SAFETY ORGANIZATION AND ACCESS.

FORMALIZING THE PARKING HELPS TRAFFIC CIRCULATION SUPPORTS OUR TENANTS AND ENHANCES THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE.

ADDITIONALLY, THIS PROPOSAL ALIGNS WITH SEDONAS BROADER PLANNING GOALS AND COMMUNITY VISION.

OUR PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THREE OF THE CITY'S ADOPTED POLICY DOCUMENTS THAT GO SEDONA PATHWAYS PLAN BY IMPROVING WALKABILITY AND ORGANIZED ACCESS, THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN BY REDUCING INFORMAL ROADSIDE PARKING AND IMPROVING FLOW AND THE CLIMATE ACT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN BY REUSING PREVIOUSLY DISTURBED LAND, INSTALLING PERMEABLE PAVING, AND USING CODE COMPLIANT LED LIGHTING.

ALSO PROPOSING A PARKING EASEMENT THAT'S, THAT TIES THESE STALLS PERMANENTLY TO THE SHOPPING CENTER USE.

WE'VE TAKEN ADDITIONAL STEPS TO ALIGN WITH THE CITY'S GOALS.

WE'RE PROPOSING A DEED RESTRICTION THAT PERMANENTLY PROHIBITS SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON THESE PARCELS.

WE'RE

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UM, WE'VE NOTIFIED ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET AS REQUIRED BY THE CITY, AND WE'RE FULLY APP FULLY PREPARED TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS AT YOUR REQUEST.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM AKA I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE RECEIVED THAT.

UM, WE FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT A GRADING PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED, UM, AND WE'RE PREPARED TO COMPLY AND WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING SUSTAINABLE DRAINAGE AND PAVING SOLUTIONS TO MINIMIZE RUNOFF.

IN SUMMARY, THIS IS A LOGICAL AND RESPONSIBLE ZONE CHANGE.

IT FORMALIZES AN EXISTING COMMUNITY SERVING USE.

IT SUPPORTS THE CITY'S OWN POLICY OBJECTIVES WITHOUT INTRODUCING ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS.

AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

IN THE APPLICATION, YOU REFER TO POTENTIAL NEW COMMERCIAL USES IN CURRENTLY VACANT RETAIL SPACES.

AND IF THOSE WERE TO COME LIVE, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE EXISTING PARKING YOU HAVE? UM, SO WE HAVE A VACANT UNIT THAT IS BUILT OUT AS A RESTAURANT.

HOWEVER, DUE TO OUR CURRENT TENANT USES, THOSE USES ARE, ARE TAKING UP ALL OF OUR, OUR CODE PARKING.

UM, SO WE HAVE ASSIGNED LEASE AND, UH, WE WOULD NEED THESE PARKING STALLS IN ORDER TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE RESTAURANT.

SO THE NEW PARKING LOT, DOES THAT EXPAND THE NUMBER OF POTENTIAL CARS THAT CAN BE PARKED BECAUSE THEY'RE TANDEM, UH, UH, EMPLOYEES? YES, IT WOULD.

SO CURRENTLY I BELIEVE WE HAVE 150, UH, 152 GIVE OR TAKE, AND WE WOULD GET UP TO 167 OR 76 MM-HMM .

AND HAVE YOU BEEN USING THAT AS AN EMPLOYEE ONLY LOT? UM, INFORMALLY, UH, IT HAS BEEN USED FOR WHOEVER WISHES TO PARK THERE, WHETHER IT BE PATRONS, EMPLOYEES MM-HMM .

UM, AND WE'RE TRYING TO REMEDY THAT.

SO YOU HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY WITHOUT USING THAT LOT OR RATHER DEDICATING THAT LOT TO EMPLOYEES, YOU HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY ON THE EXISTING TO BE ABLE TO ADD ANOTHER COMMERCIAL USE SUCH AS A RESTAURANT? YES.

COULD I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? YEAH.

I WAS GONNA ASK, WHEN YOU TANDEM PARK, HOW MANY SPACES DO YOU GET OUT OF THAT? YOU USE THE NUMBER 26, BUT THAT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT.

CAN YOU RE-ASK THAT THE FIRST QUESTION? SURE.

HOW MANY, HOW MANY, UM, DEDICATED PARKING SPACES IN THE EMPLOYEE LOT USING TANDEM, HOW MANY CARS CAN YOU PARK THERE USING TANDEM? WE CAN GET 26, UH, PARKING STALLS.

DOWN DOWNHILL? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THOSE ARE CURRENTLY IN PART BEING USED FOR EMPLOYEES NOW? CORRECT.

BUT ALSO THERE MAY BE SOME SPILLOVER INTO THE OTHER PART OF YOUR PARKING CORRECT.

SO DID YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE AN EXISTING UNOCCUPIED SPACE THAT WAS A RESTAURANT ALREADY THAT YOU WOULD YOU HAVE A POTENTIAL NEW, UH, VENDOR FOR? THAT'S CORRECT.

THEY, UM, AND THE, BASED ON THE USES THAT ARE THE EXISTING USES THAT ARE IN THE TENANT SPACES AND THE PARKING THAT THEY LEGALLY HAVE, WE CANNOT APPROVE, UM, A NEW RESTAURANT TO GO INTO A SPACE.

SO I, YOU ALREADY HAD A VENDOR, LET'S ASSUME YOU HAD THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF PARKING, INCLUDING THAT.

I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHY YOU NEED ADDITIONAL PARKING NOW.

UM, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT, IT DOES.

WE, WE'VE OWNED THE CENTER FOR THREE YEARS AND BEFORE WE OWNED THE CENTER SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY, I THINK MAYBE THE, THE USES, I DON'T HAVE AN, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD QUESTION TO ANSWER THAT OR A GOOD ANSWER FOR THAT.

UM, PERHAPS YOU'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE EVEN AS YOU ARE NOW, , PERHAPS? PERHAPS.

SO AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR THAT EITHER.

UM, IT COULD BE THAT THIS SPACE WAS USED AS A RESTAURANT.

THEY, SOMEBODY LEFT THIS SPACE, A DIFFERENT SPACE WAS USED AS A RESTAURANT.

AND SO THE RESTAURANT SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE CENTER, UM, NEVER CHANGED.

THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING BACK THROUGH SOME OF THE FILES, WHETHER THIS LOT WAS COUNTED FOR SOME, SOME OF THE OLD TOS AND IT WASN'T VERIFIED THAT IT SHOULD BE COUNTED OR NOT.

BUT WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS THAT BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE,

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AND SO THE NEW RESTAURANT IN THE OLD SPACE, UM, ONCE IT EXISTS, WILL THEY BE AT CAPACITY AGAIN FOR PARKING? YES.

OR OKAY.

THERE WILL NOT BE A SURPLUS TO ALLOW FOR ANOTHER RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING.

NO.

CAN I ASK A TAG ALONG QUESTION TO THAT? UM, ARE THERE ANY BUSINESSES IN CREEKSIDE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE LONG ENOUGH TO BE GRANDFATHERED IN ON PARKING? HILLSIDE? HILLSIDE, SORRY.

UM, THAT ARE GRANDFATHERED IN THAT ARE NOT, OR THAT ARE PERMITTED, BUT NON-COMPLIANT.

AND SO, LIKE, SAY OF THIS IS LIKE HOW I'M GONNA EXPLAIN IT, AND OUR GALLERY'S BEEN THERE FOR 15 YEARS, PRE CURRENT PARKING CODE, THEY LEAVE, THEY WERE ALREADY UNDER PARKED TECHNICALLY.

WILL WE RUN INTO THIS AGAIN? POTENTIALLY? UM, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ANY NON-COMPLIANCE? HE DID THE PARKING ANALYSIS BASED ON THE CURRENT USES OF GOT IT.

THE BUILDINGS.

SO THIS WOULD BRING IT TO, AS A BUILDING AS A WHOLE, AS A SITE, AS A WHOLE WITH THE POTENTIAL NEW RESTAURANT, WOULD THE SITE WOULD BE COMPLIANT, BE COMPLIANT.

AND THEN SO THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY COME OUT OF COMPLIANCE NOW IS IF, IF RETAIL IS REPLACED BY SOMETHING THAT IS MORE THAN ONE PER TWO 50.

OKIE DOKIE.

SO HAVE YOU DONE AN EMPLOYEE COUNT AT, UH, AT PEAK TIME? HOW MANY EMPLOYEES NEED TO BE PARKED ON YOUR PROPERTY? UH, WE HAVE NOT.

DO YOU HAVE MORE THAN 26 EMPLOYEES? WELL, IT WOULD STILL BE AN EMPLOYEE ONLY LOT, BUT THE, THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, DOWN ON THE LOWER LEVEL THAT CAN PARK IN THE LOWER PARKING LOT.

I'M ASSUMING 26 ISN'T THE TOTAL NUMBER THAT YOU HAVE PROJECT WIDE.

I THINK THAT'S A FA A SAFE ASSUMPTION.

BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENT THAT REPRESENTS OF ALL THE PARKING THAT'S NEEDED FOR EMPLOYEES? I DO NOT.

UM, THE BUILD OUT OF THE PARKING LOTS ON THE TWO PARCELS IS NOT USING THE ENTIRE SURFACE, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO THE 26 IS A NUMBER BASED ON TERRAIN OR JUST WHAT YOU WANT TO DO RIGHT NOW TO, TO GET TO THE MINIMUM TO NEEDED, OR IS THERE ROOM FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING THERE? UM, PART OF OUR GOAL WAS NOT TO DISTURB ANY ADDITIONAL NATURAL VEGETATION.

SO THE 26 FITS ON THE CURRENT GRAVEL SQUARE FOOTAGE.

UM, MEGAN, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE PICTURE.

I BELIEVE IT'S TOWARDS THE BEGINNING.

UM, IT IS KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT THIS REPRESENTS MAYBE A THIRD OF THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PARCELS.

THERE ARE SOME TOPOGRAPHY ISSUES.

UM, I I YOU DID THE SITE WALK.

IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MUCH A RAVINE, THE REST OF, UH, THE PARCELS.

SO REALISTICALLY 26 IS ALL THAT WOULD EVER BE BUILT THERE? YES.

DO YOU AGREE 26 WILL FIT IN WITH ON THE EXISTING DISTURBED AREA? UM, THAT'S THE MAXIM.

THEY, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS.

ANY EXPANSION WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT GRADING CHALLENGE.

WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO DO A PARKING STRUCTURE IF THEY WANTED TO? YES.

AND YOU MENTIONED IN THE APPLICATION THAT THERE'LL BE NATURAL VEGETATION.

ARE YOU GOING TO INTRODUCE VEGETATION WITHIN THE PARKING STALLS? UH, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD COME UP DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT PHASE, BUT WE'D BE HAPPY TO COMPLY.

UM, SO YOU COULD, WE GET WHEN WE GET A PERMIT TO UHHUH GRADE AND PAVE.

SO YOU COULD SOFTEN THE APPEARANCE OF THE PARKING LOT WITH THE ADDITION OF, UH, NEW VEGETATION THAT WOULD BE NATURALIZED TO THE SETTING? YEAH, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A FEW LANDSCAPE FINGERS.

I'M SORRY.

YOU HAVE A FEW WHAT? LANDSCAPE FINGERS WE CALL IT.

UM, WHEN I, WHEN WE, WHEN I DID THE SITE WALK, UM, ON THE HILLSIDE, I DID NOTICE THAT RV PARKING IS UP IN THIS AREA.

WHERE WOULD YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA PUT SOME OF YOUR RV PARKING? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT AS I CAME UP.

I'M, MY GOD, THAT WOULD BE A HARD TURN ANYWAY.

DO LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE A 25 TURN TO GET BACK DOWN.

GET IN THAT POT AND THEN HAVE TO

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UM, AND PLUS DO YOU SEE A LOT OF RVS COMING INTO YOUR LOT? UH, NO.

I MEAN, ANY RV PARKING WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE AGAINST, UH, CODE.

UM, SO OUR INTENTION IS TO PUT EMPLOYEE ONLY SIGNS UP.

SO THAT ONLY EMPLOYEES CAN USE THIS LOT.

AND THEN, AND READING THE, UM, UH, READING THE APPLICATION AND STUFF, WHAT, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IMPROVING THE EASEMENT INTO THAT, UH, ROYAL GLEN LANE.

SO WHAT WAS YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? WELL, YEAH, THERE, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE, UM, THERE'S NO STRIPING, RIGHT.

UM, WHEN WE DO STRIPE THE PARKING LOT, IT'S GONNA HAVE CLEAR ACCESS, UM, FOR MR. BURST TO GO FROM THE HIGHWAY ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH AND UP TO HIS HOUSE THAT HE HAS AN EASEMENT FOR.

BUT I ALSO SAW THAT, UM, 1 0 100, UM, ROYAL GLEN LANE ALSO IS LIKE RIGHT THERE ON THE PARKING LOT.

SO AGAIN, AND I SEE THEY HAVE TWO DRIVEWAYS THERE AS WELL.

SO I, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO PAST YOUR PROPERTY LINE TO IMPROVE THAT EASEMENT, IT'S JUST GONNA STOP RIGHT THERE AT YOUR PROPERTY LINE.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

DID YOU HAVE ANY INFORMAL OR FORMAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT HAS LISTED MAYBE UPWARDS OF SEVEN CONCERNS THAT THEY WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDRESSED? UH, NO, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS 'EM BEFORE OR AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.

COULD, COULD I JUST ASK A CLARIFYING, SO THESE FINGERS, WHICH I, I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT TERM BEFORE, BUT ANYWAY, UM, IS THAT THE BUFFERING THAT'S MENTIONED IN THE LETTER OF INTENT OF PROVIDING BUFFERING? AND AGAIN, JUST TO GO BACK TO WHAT, WHAT'S BUFFERING GOING TO CONSIST OF ON YOUR PROPERTY? MM-HMM .

UM, SO OUR PARKING STALLS, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY GO ALL THE WAY TO THE EDGE OF THE GRAVEL.

THERE IS, UM, SOME LANDSCAPING PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT.

UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S REQUIRED PER CODE.

WE HAD KIMLEY HORN, UM, ENGINEERING FIRM DRAW UP THE PLANS FOR US.

AND, UH, THEY MADE SURE THAT THEY WERE CODE COMPLIANT.

EVERYBODY'S GOT EVERYBODY'S KEYS.

ANYBODY ELSE? YEP.

UM, HOW ARE YOU GONNA MANAGE EMPLOYEES WITH TANDEM PARKING? BECAUSE RIGHT.

I DON'T WANT, CARRIE'S NOT, SHE'S FOCUSED, I'M PAYING ATTENTION.

OKAY, COOL.

I JUST, WE, WE SAID YES TO TANDEM PARKING AT AMANTE.

THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I CAN THINK OF.

AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS A VALET MM-HMM .

SO LIKE HOW ARE YOU GONNA MANAGE SOMEONE? LIKE I WAS LOOKING AT THE, THAT ONE IN A SECOND.

SO THE, THAT FOUR SPOT IN THE, I CAN, SORRY, I CAN'T DO IT NORTH.

SO EAST WEST, IT'S JUST NOT IN MY BRAIN.

NORTH IS UP.

ALRIGHT.

NORTH ISH.

THE, THE CHECKERED, THE FOUR SPOT CHECKERED MM-HMM .

WILL BLOCK NOT ONLY THE TWO IN THE FRONT, BUT THE THREE IN THE STALLS TO THE LEFT.

SO THE REASON WE OKAYED TANDEM PARKING IN AMTE IS 'CAUSE IT WAS VALET.

WE'VE ALSO APPROVED TANDEM PARKING AT ALOTE IN UPTOWN, UM, ON THE ADJACENT LOT THAT THEY HAVE A PARKING AGREEMENT WITH MM-HMM .

AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL WORKING FOR THE SAME BUSINESS.

AND SO THAT WOULD LIKELY, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR YEAH, THESE WON'T BE WORKING.

IT WOULD BE WORKING WOULD, THESE ARE THE, I MEAN, OFTENTIMES YOU SEE THESE ARE THE SPACES FOR THIS BUSINESS.

AND SO IF ALL OF THOSE ARE ASSIGNED TO A SPECIFIC BUSINESS, WE PLAN TO STENCIL THE SAWS FOR THE SPECIFIC BUSINESS.

SO IT'S WITHIN THE OWN BUSINESSES TO MANAGE THE CHAOS.

THAT WILL BE, BECAUSE THAT'S EIGHT SPOTS.

UM, 8, 4 7.

I SHOULD LOOK AT MY SCREEN.

UM, SO ONE BUSINESS IS PROBABLY GONNA GET ALL SEVEN OF THOSE SPOTS.

THOSE SEVEN STALLS WOULD BE STENCILED FOR THE ONE BUSINESS.

YOU HAVE A LOT OF HOPE FOR EMPLOYEE ORGANIZATION.

IF WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE AND IT HASN'T CAUSED ANY ISSUES, THE ONLY ONE I JUST KNEW OF WAS YEAH.

ONTE WITH VALET.

UM, WHERE'S THE BIKE PARKING GOING TO BE? UH, IT IS IN THE EXHIBIT TO MY PRESENTATION.

SO TOWARDS THE END.

UM, THAT WOULD BE THE PEDESTRIAN PATH.

ARE IDEAL SPOTS FOR BIKE PARKING.

AND I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY INTUITIVE.

IT GOES RIGHT INTO A, A SIDEWALK WITH A GUARDRAIL.

AND THEN ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY BIKE PARKING AT THIS LOCATION.

UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO SPLIT IT UP FOR THIS LOCATION PLUS LOCATION B.

UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE THESE ARE, THESE

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10 STALLS.

UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN CODE, WOULD YOU CONSIDER A MORE PER PERMEABLE PAVEMENT, UM, SURFACE THAN ASPHALT TO MEET WITH THE, UM, CLIMATE ACTION PLAN? WE WOULD CONSIDER IT.

THAT'S ALL I GOT.

AND SORRY, FOLLOW UP QUESTION.

WHAT WHAT WOULD THAT BE? USUALLY IT'S PAVERS, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OTHER SERVICES THAT ARE PERMEABLE YET.

RESILIENT ENOUGH FOR PARKING OR LEAVING IT GRAVEL AND STRIPING IT WITH, UM, HOSE.

HOSE.

HOSE, YEAH.

IS, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE THE MOST CLIMATE FRIENDLY CHOICE WOULD, IF IT MET CODE WOULD BE TO LEAVE IT GRAVEL AND STRIPE IT WITH HOSE.

STRIPE IT WITH HOSE.

SO FIRE HOSE RE RECYCLED FIRE.

REALLY? YEAH.

YOU USE RECYCLED FIRE HOSE.

THE CITY USES IT IN LOTS.

LIKE, UH, TILAK HAS IT, TILAK HAS IT.

THE, THE SHUTTLE LOT BY THE HIGH SCHOOL.

THAT'S THE ONE I WAS THINKING.

I LIKE, I TALKED ABOUT FIRE HOSES WITH SOMEONE, SO I KNEW YOU GUYS HAD IT SOMEWHERE.

I'LL HAVE TO DRIVE BY AND INSPECT .

I MEAN THERE, THERE'S DEFINITELY A THING THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, BUT ULTIMATELY IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR LIKE LEAST HARM TO THE SITE, LEAVING IT AND STRIPING IT AS AN OPTION OR P BUT ASPHALT TO ME IS LIKE, IF WE COULD NOT CREATE ANY MORE HEAT ISLAND.

YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT.

WOULD BE SUPER AWESOME.

THAT'S HAPPY.

I JUST HAVE A FEW.

BY FINGER DO YOU MEAN ISLAND? YES.

SO IT'S JUST AN ISLAND.

I HAVE PRACTICE ARCHITECTURE FOR 40 YEARS.

I NEVER HEARD OF LANDSCAPE FINGERS.

, MAYBE IT'S INFORMAL.

UM, IS, IS THE GRAY ON THIS PICTURE OF THE PARKING LOT THE SAME AS WHAT YOU ACTUALLY ENDED UP WITH? YES.

UM, GRANTED THIS IS JUST FOR MARKETING PURPOSES.

BUT IT, IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH.

AND SO MY QUESTION IS, I'VE, I HAVE PARKED IN THIS PARKING LOT, I'VE BEEN TO HUDSON'S AND IT'S PACKED AND YOU GET ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP.

AND, UH, AS AN ARCHITECT, I DID SIGNAGE AND PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT SIGNS.

, UM, YOU CAN SAY FLASH, YOU CAN MAKE IT A FLASHING SIGN AND HAVE SIRENS GO OFF.

AND IF IT'S THE ONLY PLACE TO PARK, I'M GOING OVER THERE AND I'M GONNA PARK.

SO MY QUESTION WITH THAT, AND SO THAT'S JUST HARD.

YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IN THEIR CAR.

I'VE, I LEARNED THE HARD WAY WHEN SOMEONE TOOK OUT AN ATM WITH THEIR DOOR.

UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, CAN YOU MAKE THE PARKING LOT NOT HAVE STACKED UNITS AT ALL SO THAT WHEN THAT HAPPENS, AND IT WILL, IF THERE'S AN EMPTY SPOT AND IT SAYS HUDSON'S MM-HMM .

UM, AND I CAN'T FIND A SPOT TO PARK AND I'M GONNA PAY $400 FOR DINNER, I'M GONNA GO OVER THERE AND PARK.

SO IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN RELAY OUT THE PARKING LOT? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT OPTIONS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY STACK THINGS SO IT'S MORE USER FRIENDLY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT MAY PARK THERE THAT YOU DIDN'T INTEND TO PARK THERE? LEMME ASK YOU THIS.

IF THERE WAS A TANDEM STALL BEHIND YOU THAT COULD BLOCK YOU IN, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU TAKE THAT SPOT? WELL, MY CHOICES TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MOONIES , TRY TO FIND A PLACE DOWN THERE AND WALK ALL THE WAY UP.

, I'VE GOT MY ELDERLY ANT WITH ME.

I MEAN, WHO KNOWS? UH, IF, IF I WAS IN A TANDEM NO, THAT, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IF YOU COULD RELAY OUT THE PARKING LOT IF YOU LOOKED AT OPTIONS THAT DON'T HAVE TANDEMS, BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL MAKE THOSE CHOICES.

I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, SCREW IT, I'M GONNA TRY THIS AND, AND, UH, THEN I'LL DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES LATER.

I THINK THE BENEFIT IS THAT THE EMPLOYEES ARE GONNA BE THERE BEFORE DINNER RUSH.

UM, SO THEORETICALLY THIS PARKING LOT WILL BE FULL.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO WE HAVEN'T.

WE WANTED TO FIT THE PARKING STALLS INTO THE EXISTING GRAVEL AREA.

UM, AS NOTED EARLIER, THE TOPOGRAPHY GETS CHALLENGING.

I WALKED OVER TOWARDS THE POWER LINES AND THAT DROPS OFF REALLY QUICK.

I UNDERSTAND THOSE ISSUES, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, NOT GETTING A SENSE OF THE WHOLE THING.

I JUST, I, I, I LIKE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE PARKING LOTS SERVE NOT BE A SPECIAL PURPOSE AND HAVING THOSE KIND OF CONDITIONS.

SO I I'M, I WAS JUST ASKING IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT THOSE KIND OF ISSUES THAT YOU COULD GET THE STALLS YOU NEED MM-HMM .

AND IF YOU HAVE TO CREEP OUT A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU STILL, YOU KNOW, AREN'T IN A WORLD OF HURT AND YOU HAVE TO PUT UP A 20 FOOT RETAINING WALL, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A PLAN B FOR US.

BUT I'LL PROBABLY PARK THERE IF I HAVE TO.

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I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

NOW I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT HAVE FILLED OUT CARDS.

THE FIRST IS BETSY KLEIN, IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

OF COURSE.

AND THERE'S A TIMER UP THERE.

YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T NEED THAT LONG.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

I'M BETSY KLEIN.

I'M A SEDONA LOCAL.

I'M A BUSINESS OWNER AND MARKETING CONSULTANT FOR HILLSIDE OWNERS AND THE TENANTS.

I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE REZONING, BOTH ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND CURRENT TENANTS OF HILLSIDE, INCLUDING WHO CANNOT BE HERE TODAY.

JUSTINE WINCHESTER OF ZIA WELLNESS, IAN JEWEL OF MOONEY'S IRISH PUB, A ALIA KAZA OF ASCEND NUTRACEUTICALS AND SHEENA CURL OF HNA CANTINA AND THE HUDSON.

THEY HAVE ASKED ME TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF TODAY AS THEY COULD NOT BE HERE.

THIS CHANGE WILL FINALLY LET US COUNT THE PARKING, WHICH MEANS MORE TENANTS, MORE CUSTOMERS, AND MORE REVENUE.

NOT JUST FOR THE TENANTS AT HILLSIDE, BUT FOR SEDONAS LOCAL ECONOMY AS WELL.

WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS REZONING.

HI, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION.

THANK YOU NICK.

UH, CIVIC IS NEXT.

MY NAME IS NICK.

I LIVE IN UPTOWN.

I'VE BEEN A SEDONA RESIDENT FOR 11 YEARS.

I'M A LEASING AGENT FOR HILLSIDE PLAZA, BUT I ALSO DO ALL THE LEASING AT B'S PLAZA, THE COLLECTIVE SEDONA SHOPS AT PINON POINT, AS WELL AS OTHER SMALL LOCALLY OWNED PROPERTIES IN TOWN.

UH, THIS ZONE CHANGE IS PERTINENT TO HILLSIDE BEING ABLE TO FULLY FUNCTION AS A PROPERTY AND IT DOES SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY IN JUST A FEW WAYS.

EVERY TENANT CURRENTLY AT HILLSIDE IS A LOCALLY OWNED BUSINESS AND THIS AFFECTS THE SUCCESS OF OUR COMMUNITY BY EXTENSION.

ADDITIONALLY, HILLSIDE IS UNIQUE BECAUSE IT ATTRACTS TOURISTS AS WELL AS A LOT OF LOCALS DUE TO HALINA, HUDSON AND MOONEYS ALL BEING LOCAL FAVORITE SPOTS.

UH, I'M PRIVY TO AND HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT THE HOUSING ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITY.

BUT CONFLATING ANY OF THAT TO THIS ZONE CHANGE, I THINK IS QUITE A STRETCH AND I HOPE YOU FIND IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

THANKS KATIE WALLACE, THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING US TALK TODAY BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY.

UM, IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL OF US.

MY NAME'S KATIE WALLACE.

I'M THE OWNER OF CLUB PILATES THAT WILL BE OPENING, UM, IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, HOPEFULLY.

UM, AND WE ARE GONNA BE LOCAL FACING.

UM, I OWN A HOUSE IN VOC.

I'M LOCAL AS WELL.

SO, UH, MY MAIN CONCERN WITH THIS IS MAKING SURE THAT OUR MEMBERS HAVE A PLACE TO COME.

'CAUSE THE BIGGEST PUSHBACK WE'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW IS THEY DON'T WANNA BECOME A MEMBER BECAUSE THE PARKING IS SO TERRIBLE AT HILLSIDE.

SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT TOURISTS, IT'S ABOUT GETTING PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THERE AND A PLACE FOR THEY THEM TO COME AND BE PART OF HILLSIDE.

AND NOBODY REALLY TALKED A LOT ABOUT IT, BUT, BUT THE NEW OWNERS OF HILLSIDE ARE DOING A REALLY GREAT JOB OF MAKING EVERYTHING BETTER, UM, MAKING THINGS COMPLIANT.

THE PARKING LOT, ONE OF THEM.

SOMEONE MENTIONED, UM, THE PARKING BEING A MESS IF THERE WAS TANDEM, IT'S ALREADY A MESS.

IT'S A HUGE MESS.

I DON'T THINK, THINK YOU COULD FINISH YOUR THOUGHT.

I DON'T THINK IT WAS RESET AFTER THE LAST PERSON, SO IT WAS NOT THREE MINUTES.

THE, THE PARKING'S A MESS ALREADY.

UM, THERE ARE PEOPLE BLOCKING THE ACCESS TO THOSE HOUSES ALREADY.

LIKE YOU SAID, IF YOU WANNA PARK, YOU WILL.

IT'S NOT MARKED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR PHONE FORM RIGHT NOW.

SO WE'RE NOT TAKING SOMETHING AND MAKING A MESS OF IT.

WE'RE FIXING IT.

AND I JUST WANTED TO CALL THAT OUT.

THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS.

AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS MEETING IS ABOUT, BUT I THINK THE OTHER PROBLEM IS WHY ARE THESE HOMEOWNERS TRAPPED IN BY BUSINESSES? WHY CAN'T WE FIND AN ACCESS FOR THEM THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO GET THEM TO DRIVE THROUGH HILLSIDE? AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I WANNA SAY.

THANK YOU GUYS.

UM, I BELIEVE IT'S AARON LUMPKIN.

OH, ON BEHALF OF JOHN BURST.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSION.

I'LL, UH, IT'S, I ATTEMPT TO BE BRIEF, BUT THREE MINUTES FLIES BY FAST.

UM, FOR YEARS I WAS COUNSEL FOR THE, UH, COCONINO COUNTY P AND Z.

SO I'LL TRY AND KEEP MY COMMENTS ON POINT, BUT, UH, MR. BURST HAD REQUESTED THAT THIS HEARING BE CONTINUED SO THAT

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HE COULD BE PRESENT.

UM, HE'S OUT OF STATE AND UNABLE TO REARRANGE PLANS, BUT ASK THAT I PRESENT HIS CONCERNS TO YOU ALL TONIGHT.

EXCUSE ME.

WOULD YOU MIND SPEAKING UP? SURE THING.

NOT QUITE SOFT SPOKEN, BUT I GET THAT A LOT.

MR. BURST, BEING THE RESIDENT AT 91, ROYAL GLEN HAS BEEN LIVING THERE FOR SOME TIME AND OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS HAS EXPERIENCED QUITE A BIT OF DIFFICULTY WITH THE PARKING AS IT IS.

A LOT OF IT IN TERMS OF THE, THE USE, THE PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARK THERE REGARDLESS.

UM, PUT SIGNS UP, PUT NOTICE FOR CUSTOMERS, PATRONS, EMPLOYEES, IT'S GONNA FILL UP ANYWAYS.

AND PART OF THAT HAS RESULTED IN A LARGE AMOUNT OF UNWANTED TRAFFIC TRAVELING UP HIS PRIVATE DRIVEWAY CAUSING PROPERTY DAMAGE EROSION.

UM, USUALLY THESE ARE PATRONS OF HILLSIDE THAT ARE INTOXICATED OR THOSE LOOKING FOR A HIGHER ELEVATED VIEW TO LOOK OVER THE CITY.

UM, WITH THAT, ULTIMATELY MR. BURT'S REQUEST IS THAT THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ZONE CHANGE BE DENIED, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, THERE MIGHT BE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT WEIGH AGAINST HIM.

HE DOES ASK THAT SEVERAL CONSIDERATIONS BE PUT IN PLACE AND THAT CONDITIONS, IF A ZONE CHANGE IS RECOMMENDED THAT THERE WOULD BE CONDITIONS THAT PLACE SIGNAGE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY FOR HIMSELF AND THE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT SHARE A ROYAL GLEN, THAT A LOW LYING DOUBLE SWINGING GATE BE PUT IN PLACE TO STOP FOOT TRAFFIC, TO STOP COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC FROM DRIVING UP THAT PRIVATE DRIVE, CAUSING MORE EROSION, MORE TRESPASS ISSUES, AND DISTRI, UH, STRIPPING THEIR QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS SAID TONIGHT THAT I THINK THAT MR. BURST WOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT, THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT PERMEABLE, UM, PAVING BE PUT IN PLACE.

HE WOULD ASK THAT A CONDITION FOR PERMEABLE PAVING, PARTICULARLY GRAVEL BE USED RED GRAVEL, SOMETHING THAT IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE AESTHETICS OF SEDONA RATHER THAN YEAH, UNSIGHTLY BLACK ASPHALT THAT IS IN STARK CONTRAST TO THE RED SANDSTONE.

I BELIEVE THAT THIS WOULD ALSO INCREASE NOISE AND OTHER NUISANCES THAT ARE ATTENUATED WITH IT.

UM, HE WOULD BE IN FAVOR IF A RECOMMENDATION WAS ON THE COMMISSION'S MIND, THAT GRAVEL WITH MARKINGS BEING MADE BY THE RECLAIMED FIRE HOSE.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, HE WOULD ASK THAT BUFFERING BE IN PLACE FOR HIS PROPERTY.

YES, THERE IS, UM, SIGNIFICANT GRADING THERE.

GO AHEAD.

THAT THERE'S SIGNIFICANT GRADING THERE, BUT HE DOES BELIEVE THAT THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE AN INCREASE OF NOISE DISTURB, SORRY, DISTURBANCES FOR HIS PROPERTY AND THAT A BUFFER WOULD BE WARRANTED.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE BE RETAINED.

UH, FRANCIS BRUNO.

HELLO.

UM, THANKS FOR ALLOWING, WOULD YOU DROP THAT MIC DOWN? I CAME TO GATHER INFORMATION.

I HAD NOT PLANNED TO SPEAK UNTIL I SAW THAT THE DECK WAS PRETTY STACKED BY YESES.

I AM ONE OF THE LONG SUFFERING NEIGHBORS AND A LOT OF THE, YOUR QUESTIONS ARE RIGHT ON.

I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE RESEARCH, THERE HAS TO BE MORE CONCRETE RESULTS.

UM, NUMBER ONE, HOW IS THAT EMPLOYEE PARKING GOING TO BE ENFORCED? CURRENTLY, IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S A GIANT FREE FOR ALL.

AND IF THERE ARE TANDEM SPOTS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE WITH RVS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE, WHICH CURRENTLY IS HAPPENING IN OVERNIGHT PARKING.

NONE OF THIS IS ENFORCED.

SO YOU HAVE THIS VERY ATTRACTIVE SPACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN JUST COME AND DO WHAT THEY WANT.

AND IT, IT'S UP TO A VERY FEW NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO CALL THE POLICE CONSTANTLY IF THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH IMPROPER PARKING BECAUSE IT'S NOT ENFORCED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.

UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE CURRENT, UM, EMERGENCY PARKING SIGNS BE RETAINED.

I FOUGHT VERY HARD TO GET THOSE.

WE HAVE ONE NEIGHBOR WHO, UM, EXCUSE ME, I'M NERVOUS.

WE HAVE ONE NEIGHBOR WHO HAD A HEART BAD HEART CONDITION AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES COULD NOT GET THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT TO GET TO HIM.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT

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UM, THAT AREA CURRENTLY IS A HUGE TURNAROUND FOR GIANT COMMERCIAL VEHICLES THAT PROVIDE, UM, SUPPLIES FOR THE RESTAURANTS.

AND WITH THAT TANDEM PARKING, THOSE HUGE TRUCKS ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND.

UM, AND ESPECIALLY IF, IF, WELL AGAIN, ESPECIALLY IF YOU RVS THAT ARE PARKING ILLEGALLY, UM, PEOPLE WITH, WITH THOSE LITTLE OFF-ROAD THINGS ARE CONSTANTLY THERE AND THEY HAVE A TRUCK AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE A TRAILER.

SO THAT TAKES UP DOUBLE SPACES.

SO THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS, IS LOVELY, BUT THERE ARE NO CONCRETE PLANS ON HOW THAT WILL BE ENFORCED AND IT'S GOING TO WIND UP THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY, WHICH IS JUST CHAOS.

AND A LOT OF DUST.

AND A LOT OF NOISE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE CARDS.

ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK? SO WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, INITIATE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.

CAN I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE I COMMENT? SURE.

SORRY, I WAS AROUND DUST ALL DAY AND I CAN'T KICK THIS COUGH.

UM, HYPOTHETICAL LAND, IF THE ZONE CHANGE DOESN'T GO THROUGH, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE NON-CONFORMING CURRENT USE? UM, IT WOULD LIKELY BECOME A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.

AND IF PEOPLE ARE PARKING OUT THERE, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A LEGAL USE, THEN IT WOULD GO THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND UM, HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT THAT WAY.

UM, HANCO, DO YOU LOOK FOR TRUCK TURNAROUNDS UP THERE OR WOULD IT JUST BE ASSUMED THAT TRUCKS ARE TURNING AROUND IN THE BOTTOM PART WHERE THEY COULD DRIVE THROUGH? THAT'S WHY, THAT'S THE ASSUMPTION I WOULD BE ASSUMING OR, UM, THE KIND OF IN FRONT OF MOONEY'S, THE DRIVE THROUGH MM-HMM .

THERE'S A, THAT YOU COULD JUST PARK THERE AND YEAH.

THE ASSUMPTION IS TRUCKS DON'T GO UP THERE 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO, WHICH IS NOT A GOOD ASSUMPTION.

BUT THE TURNAROUND FOR THE PROPERTY IS TECHNICALLY AT THE BOTTOM HYPOTHETICALLY? I BELIEVE SO.

OR IT COULD BE THIS, UM, IF YOU PULL UP THE AERIAL MAP, I GUESS LIKE, SORRY, THIS IS LIKE A VERY ADJUNCT QUESTION TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

NO, I'M SO SORRY.

I'M NOT, THIS WAS DEVELOPED SO MANY YEARS AGO THAT I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT IT APPEARS, UM, LIKE RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE GRAVEL AREA DOES OPEN UP A BIT.

I'M WONDERING IF THAT WAS ALSO SUPPOSED TO BE A TURNAROUND.

BUT THERE'S PARKING THERE.

THERE'S PARKING IN IT.

YEP.

YEAH, SO THE FIRE DISTRICT HAS, THEY REVIEW ALL OF OUR PLANS.

UM, ONE OF THE BENEFITS TO ACTUALLY GOING IN AND IMPROVING AND STRIPING THE PARKING LOT AND MEGAN'S BRINGING UP THE SITE PLAN IS THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT DRY VILES ARE MARKED CLEARLY, UM, THAT PARKING SPACES ARE MARKED.

AND, UM, AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING THAT HUMAN NATURE IS WHAT IT IS.

IF THERE ARE MARKED PARKING SPACES, THE CHANCES THAT PEOPLE PARK IN THOSE SPACES ARE MUCH HIGHER.

UP IN THIS AREA, I DON'T, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, GETTING OUT.

UM, AND WITH, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE SOME TANDEM SPACES, UM, PAGE 47 OF THE PACKET, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MARK THINGS AS FIRE LANES, TURNAROUND LANES TO MAKE SURE THAT CERTAIN AREAS, UM, REMAIN CLEAR.

AND SO AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE TN SPACES, IT'S ONLY A COUPLE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT.

AND SO THERE WOULD BE A POTENTIAL TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A TURNAROUND IN THIS AREA WHERE THERE AREN'T YEAH.

PARKING SPACES.

SO AGAIN, BY ALLOWING US TO ACTUALLY ISSUE A PERMIT AND HAVE A PARKING LOT LAYOUT, UM, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THE KIND OF AS ONE OF THE COMMENTS OR SAID THE CHAOS OF WHAT THAT PARKING AREA IS CAN BE A LITTLE BIT CONTROLLED AND WE CAN ENSURE THAT THERE'S THE PROPER TURNAROUND AREAS AND HANUKKAH, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM KEEPING A GRAVEL IF IT WAS STRIPED AND OKAY BEFORE, BECAUSE I SAID THAT BEFORE ASKING GREAT , I WOULD ENCOURAGE IT.

GREAT.

SO LARGE SUPPLY TRUCKS WOULD OSTENSIBLY DO A CIRCLE THROUGH THIS, UM, PARKING LOT YOU WERE DROPPING OFF FOR HUDSON'S, LET'S SAY, AND THEN CONTINUE THROUGH THE EMPLOYEE LOT, CIRCLE AROUND AND GO OUT.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR CURRENT STANCE IS, BUT YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WITHOUT ANYTHING STRIPED UP HERE, THERE'S NOT A DEDICATED TURNAROUND.

IF SOMEONE COMES

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BUT THE WAY THE PARKING LOT IS LAID OUT DOES ALLOW FOR SPACE THAT WOULD BE OPEN TO ALLOW FOR A, AN EASIER TURNAROUND.

ALL RIGHT.

ROB, DO WE HAVE THE ADDRESS OF THE LAST WOMAN THAT SPOKE? SHE MENTIONED THAT SHE SOUNDED LIKE SHE LIVED CLOSE.

I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT HER ADDRESS WAS.

NO, IF SHE, IS SHE ON THE EASEMENT SIDE OF THE GATE OR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GATE? I, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT.

AND WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T UNLESS SHE DID IT HERSELF.

I CAN, OH, YOU'RE STILL HERE.

COME UP TO THE MIC.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS LEGAL TO ASK HER.

AGAIN.

I JUST ASK WHERE SHE IS AND HOW SHE WOULD BE AFFECTED RELATIVE TO THE, SO WHERE DO YOU LIVE LOT ON THE BORDER THERE AND I'M NUMBER 100.

AND I'M, YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE CORNER THEN.

I'M THE LITTLE, UH, THE SPANISH HOUSE UHHUH WITH THE TILED ROOF AND I'M THE ONE THAT PLANTED AND THAT, UM, BAMB, BAMBOO.

BAMBOO 'CAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH DUST AND THERE'S SO MUCH NOISE.

UM, WHILE I'M HERE, CAN I ALSO ASK A QUESTION? THE PREVIOUS OWNER TOLD ME THAT HE WANTED TO PUT ON THE RIM OF THAT PARKING LOT, UM, BUILDINGS FOR LIKE A HOTEL OR A MOTEL.

AND EVEN THOUGH THE PROPOSAL NOW IS NOT TO DO THAT WITH A COMMERCIAL CHANGE, WOULD THAT BE ALLOWED IN THE FUTURE FOR, FOR A DIFFERENT OWNER OR SOMEONE WHO HAS DIFFERENT PLANS? I'LL HAVE STAFF RESPOND TO THAT.

UM, SO THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ANY TYPE OF LODGING USE AND THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO SIGN A DEED RESTRICTION SO THAT IF THEY WERE TO BUILD ANY KIND OF RESIDENTIAL USES, WHICH ARE ALLOWED IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONE, THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE USED AS SHORT TERM RENTALS.

OH, THANK YOU.

THAT EASES MY MIND.

, THANKS.

UM, I HAVE REAL EMPATHY FOR THESE PROPERTIES AND HAVING AN EASEMENT GOING THROUGH A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

IT IS, IT IS MOST ODD.

UM, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE PROP THE PROPERTY OWNERS AFFECTED TO TALK TO THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GATE AND TRY TO GET AN EASEMENT SO THAT THERE CAN BE A PERMANENT GATE AND THERE THAT EASEMENT ON, ON THE HILLSIDE GOES AWAY.

IT JUST SEEMS VERY ODD FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT TO GO THROUGH A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT TO GET TO A FEW HOUSES.

SO THAT'S JUST FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH TO PEOPLE IN THAT AREA TO TALK AND, AND SEE IF THAT'LL WORK.

UM, BECAUSE THIS PARKING LOT IS, UH, FOR EMPLOYEES, WHICH WILL REQUIRE SIGNAGE AND, UH, PAINTED STALLS WITH COMPANY'S NAMES AS MUCH AS I'M FOR, UM, PER, UH, PERVIOUS PAVEMENT.

UH, TO ME, WHEN IT GOES FROM ASPHALT TO GRAVEL, IT TELLS PEOPLE, HEY, THAT'S JUST A LOT OVER THERE.

I CAN PARK IN.

THAT'S NOT REALLY PART OF HILLSIDE SHOPPING CENTER.

UM, I'M JUST GONNA GO OVER THERE AND PARK.

AND THEN TO DEAL WITH PERMANENT SIGNAGE ON GRAVEL SEEMS DIFFICULT FOR ME.

SO I WOULD BE FINE WITH, UH, ASPHALT.

I THINK IT'S GONNA GIVE PEOPLE A BETTER CLUE THAT THIS IS PART OF THE HILLSIDE DEVELOPMENT.

AND IT'S NOT JUST A PLACE TO PARK YOUR RV OVERNIGHT.

FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.

COULD BE QUIETER FOR THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS AS WELL.

I WOULD THINK SO.

CHARLOTTE.

I, I CONCUR WITH YOUR SYMPATHY TO THE HOMEOWNERS AROUND THERE.

UM, I'VE SEEN OTHER INSTANCES WHERE ZONING HAS BEEN CHANGED FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

AND IT'S REALLY DISRUPTED NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE DO NOT DO THAT VERY OFTEN, SO THIS WOULD BE VERY UNUSUAL.

I'D LIKE THE, UM, PROPERTY OWNER'S REACTION TO THAT.

UM, AND I THINK EVERY EFFORT SHOULD BE MADE TO ACCOMMODATE THE HOMEOWNERS THERE.

WHETHER IT'S BY CHANGING THE EASEMENT, WHETHER IT'S BY, UH, PUTTING IN A FENCE, UH, A NICE LOOKING FENCE THAT'S WORKABLE.

UM, THE GATES AND I, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO, FIRST OF ALL,

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WHAT THEY MIGHT BE WILLING TO DO, HOW MUCH THEY MIGHT BE WILLING TO INVEST IN THIS, AND SEE IF WE COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WHILE IT HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL ANYWAY, FOR THE ZONE CHANGE, UM, THAT COULD BE PRESENTED TO THEM AS, HERE'S THE PATH THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

I AGREE.

IS THAT POSSIBLE TO ASK? I AGREE.

UM, WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S A COMPLEX ACCESS POINT AND WE'D BE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE OR PAY FOR AN AUTOMATIC, UH, FENCE FOR THESE TWO HOMEOWNERS, UM, GATE.

HOW ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER REQUESTS LIKE, UM, FENCING OR A WALL OR ANY ADDITIONAL BUFFERING? YEAH, I HAVE, I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO THE RETAINING WALL REQUEST OR THE NOISE ABATEMENT WALL REQUEST.

I, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT WOULD GO OR HOW MUCH NOISE IT WOULD ABATE.

UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO START BY TALKING WITH THEM AFTER THIS AND, UH, PROPOSING THE GATE TO THEM.

UM, OKAY.

I, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE INCORPORATE THAT WILLINGNESS INTO, UM, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL SO THAT WE COULD VOTE ON IT.

UM, ARE YOU WILLING TO HAVE THAT PUT IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, THAT THERE WILL BE MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE SOLUTIONS TO NOISE ABATEMENT BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS? UM, YEAH.

THAT'S TOUGH.

I, I JUST, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

UM, WELL, IT PROBABLY LOOKS LIKE A DOLLAR FIGURE .

I, I, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH.

UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, OR DOES, UM, MR. BURR'S ATTORNEY HAVE ANY IDEA, BALLPARK, OF WHAT YOU WERE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR? I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T WANT SOME TOTALLY OPEN-ENDED MM-HMM .

AGREEMENT.

UM, BUT I REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT SCALE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, ISN'T THAT REALLY SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE WHEN THE, THE PLAN COMES IN? NOT SO MUCH THE ZONING CHANGE.

LIKE WOULD THOSE KIND OF REQUIREMENTS, LIKE THE SOUND ABATEMENT, THE GATE, WOULDN'T THAT GO UNDER THE PLAN OR DOES THAT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ZONING? IT'S ALL ADDRESSED IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OF ANY OTHER THINGS ASIDE FROM THE ZONING.

SO, YEAH.

GREAT.

JUST THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION.

I WASN'T SURE.

THANKS.

SO, I, I MEAN, I THINK IT COULD FIT OKAY.

IF WE COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING.

WELL, I THINK IT NEEDS TO COME AS A, A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION TO THE APPLICANT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR EFFECTIVE NOISE ABATEMENT TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORS.

WE WILL CERTAINLY LOOK INTO IT.

AND YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE WHEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL.

COUNCIL.

CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONER? NO.

AND PRESUMABLY MORE INFORMATION WILL AND MORE DISCUSSION WILL HAVE BEEN TAKEN PLACE BETWEEN THE PARTIES BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL.

WE PLAN ON IT.

GOOD.

WERE YOU GONNA SAY SOMETHING, KURT? WE BEEN GOING SURE.

CHAIR TOO FAR THERE.

UM, IT'S PERFECTLY FINE TO REQUEST THAT AS PART OF A, A ZONE CHANGE, ESPECIALLY FROM COMMERCIALS OR RESIDENTIAL TO TRY TO MITIGATE ANY, UH, INJURY TO THE NEIGHBORS.

UH, IT SOUNDED LIKE THE APPLICANT WAS WILLING TO DO THE GATE, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE REQUESTS BY MR. BURST.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE OTHER NEIGHBOR WANTS THE GATE AS WELL THOUGH, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT CONSIDER.

AND THEN IF, SO, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD PUT IN THE CONDITION OF APPROVALS RIGHT NOW MM-HMM .

AND THEN LEAVE IT OPEN.

UM, THE ADDITIONAL NOISE ABATEMENT, IF I COULD SPEAK TO THAT.

I THINK THE ACCESS ROAD BENEFITS BOTH NEIGHBORS.

THAT WOULD BE ONE GATE FOR BOTH OF THEM.

AS IT LEAVES THE PARKING LOT.

THAT'S THE POINT OF THE DOUBLE GATE.

ACTUALLY, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE WANTS A GATE THERE AT ALL.

I, I DON'T KNOW THAT EITHER.

IT MIGHT NEED TO TAKE PLACE IN TANDEM.

WELL, I WON'T USE THAT WORD.

DON'T USE THAT ONE IN ADDITION TO SOME FOR THAT ROAD ITSELF TO BE IMPROVED BECAUSE IT'S IN, IN AND OF ITSELF, IT'S A CRUMBLING, UNEVEN UPWARD SLOPE

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WELL, I, I ALSO HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE GATE, THE GATE DRAMA THAT HAPPENS ON THAT ROAD.

'CAUSE THERE'S A GATE THAT IS, IS PRESENT BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND 100.

THEN THERE'S ANOTHER GATE MM-HMM .

THAT GATES OFF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CONDOS.

THEN THERE'S A THIRD GATE THAT GOES UP TO THE TOP.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING ABOUT FIREWISE AND, YOU KNOW, PREPAREDNESS FOR FIRE AND, AND I KNOW THE FIRE TRUCKS CAN JUST PLOW RIGHT THROUGH THAT IF THEY NEEDED TO.

UM, BUT EVACUATION FOR RESIDENTS, THEY CAN'T PLOW THROUGH THE GATE.

AND SO THE SOLUTION OF THIS ONE GATE CONCEPT, LIKE YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ONE GATE FOR THOSE TWO HOUSES AND THEN THEY, THE HOMEOWNERS CAN DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH GATE NUMBER THREE BETWEEN THE CONDO AND THESE OTHER TWO HOMES.

UM, I THINK IS A REALLY GREAT SOLUTION BECAUSE FIRE CAN GET IN, THEY CAN GET OUT, WE CAN OPEN IT IN EMERGENCY AND, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LOCKING KEY MM-HMM .

SO, AND DISPEL ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT WANNA LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AFTER THEY'VE HAD A DRINK AND A GOOD MEAL.

PRECISELY.

THEY'LL STILL TURN AROUND.

THERE'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO IS PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ANYBODY ELSE UP HERE? SO A POTENTIAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL PROPERTY OWNERS SHALL CONSTRUCT A GATE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE SOUTH TO CONTROL ACCESS TO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY ALL AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE LDC AND SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.

WE CAN INCLUDE LANGUAGE ON NOISE ABATEMENT.

HAVEN'T WRITTEN THAT ONE YET.

HMM.

I, UH, I THINK THAT WE COULD ALSO, BECAUSE THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION MM-HMM .

UM, WITHOUT KNOWING EXACT, YOU KNOW, THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS MIGHT NEED TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE MORE.

RATHER THAN RECOMMENDING A SPECIFIC CONDITION, WE CAN, YOU CAN MAKE IT CLEAR THAT YOU EXPECT THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CAN COMMUNICATE TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THAT WAS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S EXPECTATION AND THAT, UM, THEY SHOULD HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL.

YEAH, THAT'S GOOD.

COULD I SAY SOMETHING THOUGH? I DISCOVERED ONE TIME THAT IF IT WAS NOT IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, IT WAS NOT REALLY ENFORCEABLE.

AND SO AGAIN, YOU ARE ACTUALLY NOT APPROVING ANYTHING.

YOU ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.

AND SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD, PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS YOU'RE COMMUNICATING THAT THIS IS YOUR EXPECTATION.

WE WOULD COMMUNICATE THAT THAT WAS, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S EXPECTATION TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND BY THE TIME IT GETS TO CITY COUNCIL, HOPEFULLY IF THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS AND THE APPLICANT, WE WOULD WRITE THAT INTO AS A NEW RECOMMENDED CONDITION OF APPROVAL.

ALRIGHT.

ROD? UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, STIPULATIONS ON NOISE.

UM, MR. BURT'S PROPERTY IS PROBABLY 30 FEET ABOVE THE PARKING LOT.

IT'S A REALLY BIG HILL.

AND IF YOU WANTED TO STOP, UH, UH, A CAR ALARM AND THAT HE WOULDN'T HEAR IT.

UH, IT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL COST.

I MEAN, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO BUILD A WALL TO STOP THE NOISE.

BECAUSE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, UM, 100 IS SO CLOSE, UM, TO REALLY DO SOUND ABATEMENT.

UM, I'M, I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ONEROUS, UH, BUDGETARY ISSUES, PUTTING ON HILLSIDE TO, UH, I MEAN, I, I JUST KNOW WHAT THAT STUFF COSTS AND, AND IT'S, IT'S KIND OF AMBIVALENT.

IT'S AT WHAT LEVEL NOISE AND FROM WHERE, WHAT SOURCE AND, UM, I TOTALLY SUPPORT THE GATE IDEA SO PEOPLE DON'T GO UP THAT WAY.

BUT I, I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THAT SOUND ISSUE REALLY MEANS AND REALLY WHAT IT GETS INTO AND REALLY HOW EFFECTIVE ANYTHING COULD BE WHEN YOU'RE NEXT TO A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT WITH CARS AND TRUCKS AND HONKING AND ALL THAT STUFF.

AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE BURST PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I KNOW HOW TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.

MAY COME UP WITH SOME SO WE'RE, WE'RE, THE CONDITION WOULD BE THAT THEY SHOULD EXPLORE IDEAS, BUT WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.

SO I, I I, I DON'T THINK I'D BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT PART OF IT.

BUT YOU WOULDN'T SUPPORT LETTING THEM EXPLORE POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS FOR, FOR ABATEMENT.

UH, WE'RE NOT SPECIFYING WHAT THEY MIGHT BE, BUT THEY

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IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH.

SO CHAIR, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS AND, AND COMMISSIONER SMITH, IT WOULDN'T BE A CONDITION, IT'D JUST BE A RECOMMENDATION AS PART OF HIS APPROVAL TO RIGHT.

EXPLORE THAT WON'T GO INTO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AT THIS POINT.

AND THE GATE WOULD BE A CONDITION.

THE GATE WOULD BE, YES.

I'M, I'M GLAD I I THAT, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

SURE.

CAN WE TALK ABOUT SURFACE, UM, TREATMENT? IS THERE CONSENSUS ON PERMEABLE? UM, IS THERE CONSENSUS ON RED ROCK? IS THERE CONCERN ABOUT NOISE THAT WOULD BE GENERATED BY HAVING THAT KIND OF SURFACE? UM, I, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE A PERMEABLE GRAVEL HOSE KIND OF CONCEPT.

UM, I, UH, WAS A PRIVILEGE TO SEE BRYCE'S DEMONSTRATION OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A PERMEABLE SURFACE AND HOW THAT WATER AFFECTS EVERYTHING.

AND, UH, AND, AND PUTS ALL THAT WATER IN DOWN THE, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE SIDE OF THE HILL AND WASHES STUFF AWAY.

SO I AM REALLY GEARED TOWARD THE MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY WAY TO GO, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE OF THAT RAVINE.

NEGATIVE EFFECTS WE WEREN'T ANTICIPATING.

I THINK IT COULD, CAUSE WE COULD HAVE SOME MM-HMM .

DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT? ON A PERMEABLE SURFACE? SO ON, ON THAT ONE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, THAT'S NOT A RE UH, SOMETHING WE COULD REQUIRE NECESSARILY.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE IN THE CODE.

UM, IT COULD BE A, SOMETHING THAT A P AND Z RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT IS EXPLORED.

CAN I ASK, UH, WHAT AMOUNT OR WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR ACREAGE OF AN ASPHALT OR, OR THE, OR THE GRAVEL, UM, FOR THE 26 SPACES AND THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT TAKING UP THE ENTIRE PARCEL.

SO HOW MUCH ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I, A THIRD OF IT, I REALLY SHOULD HAVE THIS ANSWER FOR YOU.

I, I KNOW LIKE THAT IT'S A 1.6 ACRE PARCEL.

I AM, I'M AFRAID TO GIVE YOU AN ANSWER THAT'S NOT ACCURATE.

UM, BUT YEAH, IT IS, IT IS ROUGHLY 30%, 25% OF THE SUBJECT PARCELS.

SO WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS I AM SYMPATHETIC TO THE IDEA OF IF IT LOOKS LIKE A GRAVEL PARKING LOT, IT LOOKS LIKE A PRE FOR ALL KIND OF THING, SOMETHING LESSER.

UM, AND WHO SEES THE FIRE HOSE IN THE AT NIGHT ANYWAY, BUT, UM, SO I, IT WOULDN'T BOTHER ME AS MUCH TO HAVE IT ASPHALT IF IT WOULD SIGNAL SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

SINCE IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL AMOUNT OF THE TWO PARCELS.

I DON'T THINK THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE THAT ENORMOUS.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY THOUGHT.

I DIDN'T IT SAY THAT IT WAS GOING, THEY WOULD DO PERAL.

I'VE NEVER HEARD OF SUCH A THING, BUT PERMEABLE ASPHALT, I'VE NEVER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

SUCH A THING.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I SAW UP ON THE SCREEN.

OH, I, I THINK MY REFERENCE TO THAT WAS MORE SO WE WOULD DO A DRAINAGE STUDY, UM, BUT THE PROPOSAL IS ASPHALT.

UM, BUT YOU DID SAY PER PERMEABLE ASPHALT, AND I JUST, WAS REALLY CURIOUS WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE.

, UH, IT'S, IT IS YOUR STANDARD ASPHALT.

THAT'S ON, UH, PAGE 24 UNDER MITIGATION IMPACTS, JUST SO YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO GOOGLE, PERMEABLE ASPHALT EXISTS.

THAT'S AN INTERESTING THOUGHT.

GOOGLE MESS.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING IN .

I LIKE, I LIKE YOUR IDEA OF, UM, MAYBE A COMBINATION, THAT PORTION THAT WOULD BE JUST DEDICATED TO THE SPACES THEMSELVES AND PERMEABLE AROUND, UH, THE REST OF IT.

IT, IT FORMALIZES THE APPEARANCE.

IT RETAINS BOTH OPPORTUNITIES FOR SAFE PARKING.

SO THE SPACES THEMSELVES WOULD BE GRAVEL AND THE, THE STALLS WOULD BE PAVED AND THE EXTERIOR CIRCULAR WOULD BE PERMEABLE.

I I THINK WE'D BE AMENABLE TO THAT.

THE 'CAUSE THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO STENCIL MM-HMM .

WOULD SHOW THAT THEY WERE DEDICATED FOR THE ERRANT, UM, HUDSON PARTY THAT WANTS TO LOOK FOR THE EASIEST AVAILABLE SPOT.

THEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY MARK THE SPOT.

YOU'D HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF THAT AS FAULT WITH THE BUSINESS.

THE BUSINESS NAME OR WHATEVER WAY YOU HAD DECIDED YOU WANTED TO DO THAT

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YOU'D HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH ASPHALT DEGRADATION AROUND BECAUSE THE, THE PART OF PARKING LOTS THAT BREAK EDGE ARE THE EDGES.

AND YOU'D HAVE EDGES, ALL OF THE EDGES.

UHHUH .

ANYWAY, WE'RE IN THE WEEDS.

THE OTHER, THE OTHER OPTION.

AND THEY WOULD TIE IT TO YOUR PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY TO GET PEOPLE A DA ACCESSIBLE TO THE COMPLEX.

UH, REPEAT THE FIRST PART AND THEN THAT COULD BE TIED TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PAVE THE AREA OF, ARE YOU PAVING? YOU ARE PAVING THE SIDEWALK? YES.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPEN TO 26 SIGNS.

UM, I DON'T KNOW AESTHETICALLY IF THAT LOOKS ANY BETTER.

PROBABLY NOT.

IF, IF I MAY ADD ONE THING ABOUT THE PARKING LOT SURFACING, WHO'S SPEAKING? HANUKAH.

HI IS HANUKAH, SORRY.

IF I MAY ADD ONE THING, UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEM ON A COMBO ON, YOU KNOW, PERMEABLE VERSUS IMPER IMPERVIOUS AND, UM, PARKING LOT DESIGNS ON THAT.

UM, A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A MIXED PARKING LOT.

IT'S ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THE, UM, THE NEW PICKLEBALL COURTS AT POSSE GROUNDS.

THOSE ARE, UM, WE PAVED THE ROADWAY MM-HMM .

BUT THEN LEFT THE PARKING SPACES, PERVIOUS AND COM POST GRANITE.

OH, JUST THE OPPOSITE.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

SO THAT THE PARKED CARS, LIKE IF YOU HAVE A LEAK, THOSE WILL GO ON THE GRAVEL SURE.

AND RATHER THAN WASHING OFF FROM THE ASPHALT.

SURE.

UM, AND IT, IT LOOKS, I THINK IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD.

CHECK OUT.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD SOLUTION.

ARE YOU AMENABLE TO THAT? YEAH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH HER ON THE DESIGN.

SOUNDS KNOWLEDGEABLE.

SHE IS.

SHE'S SUPER SMART.

THE REST OF THE COMMISSION, LIKE THAT MODIFIED CONCEPT.

GOOD.

DO WE HAVE LANGUAGE FOR A MOTION, CARRIE, THAT EXISTS OR ISH.

UM, SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE JUST HAVE DIRECTION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO, UM, OR THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS ON POTENTIAL SOUND ABATEMENT, UM, AND EXPLORING AND THEN WORK WITH CITY STAFF ON EXPLORING THE USE OF PERMEABLE PAVEMENT, DIFFERENT PAVEMENT MATERIALS.

BUT THOSE ARE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS ON DESIGN IF WE GET TO SOMETHING THAT CAN BE A CONDITION, COULD BE POTENTIALLY PART OF, UM, WHAT WE TAKE TO CITY COUNCIL.

UM, THE ONLY ACTUAL CHANGE I HAVE FOR THE CONDITIONS WOULD BE GATE, REGARDING THE GATE.

AND AGAIN, THE WAY I, NOT CONNECTED TO THE COMPUTER, BUT PROPERTY OWNER SHALL CONSTRUCT A GATE FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE SOUTH TO CONTROL ACCESS TO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY ALL AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE LDC AND SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.

GOOD.

AND SO IT WOULD BE THE MOTION IN YOUR PACKET MM-HMM .

UM, WITH CONDITIONS AS AMENDED.

SOUND GOOD? THANK YOU.

COMMISSION .

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS HERE? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE.

CHARLOTTE, OR DO YOU HAVE IT? GO FOR IT.

I MOVED AND IF I GET SOMETHING WRONG, JUST TELL ME.

I MOVE TO RECOMMEND TO THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ZONING REQUEST AS SET FORTH IN CASE NUMBER PZ 25 DASH 0 0 0 0 3 ZONE CHANGE REZONING, A PN 4 0 1 DASH 19 DASH OH 12, AND 4 0 1 DASH 19 DASH OH A FROM RS 18, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO CO COMMERCIAL BASED ON CONSISTENCY AND CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC, SECTION 8.3 AND 8.6, AND SATISFACTION OF THE ZONE CHANGE FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND SUBJECT TO ALL APPLICABLE AMENDED ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS.

OH, EXCUSE ME.

NO, ALL APPLICABLE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS AND THE RECOMMENDED AMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

I WAS ME, EVERYBODY ELSE? ARE YOU SECONDING, HOLLY? I'LL SECOND.

GO ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. UM, SO WE HAVE A TWO WEEK BREAK.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED?

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MOTION PASSES.

UM, I'M COUNTING YOU UP.

[6. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS]

UM, 'CAUSE THERE ARE FIVE.

SO IN THREE WEEKS WE WILL, UH, WE HAVE A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW FOR THE AMANTE CREEKSIDE PROJECT, WHICH IS, UM, A PROPOSED LODGING DEVELOPMENT BELOW THE ART BARN.

UM, THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE ONLINE IF YOU WANNA START LOOKING THEM RIGHT NOW.

BUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BE GETTING THE PACKET OUT A WEEK BEFOREHAND.

AND I'M ASSUMING WANT IS THAT FOR THE FIFTH? SORRY, THE FIFTH? WHAT'D I SAY? YOU DIDN'T, OH, YOU JUST HAD THREE WEEKS.

SO THEN I'M LIKE, WHICH ONE IS IT THREE WEEKS THEN? I DON'T HAVE THREE WEEKS.

WELL, WE GET, IT'S TYPICALLY IN TWO WEEKS.

WE'D BE BACK HERE, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE BACK HERE.

SO AUGUST 5TH.

AUGUST 5TH, OKAY.

UM, AND I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE INTERESTED IN DOING A SITE VISIT TO THE PROPERTY AS WELL? YEP.

IS THAT, WHERE IS IT? UM, IT'S BEHIND A ROYAL ROBLE UPTOWN, KIND OF BEHIND THE CENTER BEHIND ROBLE.

THERE'S KIND, THEY HAVE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND THERE'S PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AS WELL.

SO IT'S BY THE ART CENTER? YES.

IS THIS THE SAME PARCEL WE LOOKED AT THAT USED LIKE HISTORICALLY WAS AN RV? YES.

UM, AND SO, BECAUSE AUGUST IS NOT THE COOLEST MONTH, WE'LL START PROBABLY AT EIGHT.

I MEAN, COLLIE'S GONNA BE THERE AT 4:00 AM .

UM, I'LL LIKELY SCHEDULE THAT FOR 8:00 AM AND MAYBE WE'LL EVEN BRING YOU SOME WATER OR SOMETHING.

, MR. UM, IT, IT IS A FAIRLY RUGGED SITE.

UM, SO, UM, BRING SOME SHOES THAT CAN HAVE SOME STICKERS, GET IN 'EM AND NOT KILL YOU.

ROB.

THE APPLICATION WOULD BE ON THE WEBSITE.

YOU WANT TO CATCH UP A LITTLE BIT? DID YOU SAY THIS WAS A PRECONCEPTUAL? IT'S A CONCEPTUAL, A CONCEPTUAL, CONCEPTUAL, SO OBVIOUSLY NOT FULL PLANS.

WE WILL NOT BE GIVING A RECOMMENDATION.

IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMISSION TO PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANT.

IS THIS A TREND? BECAUSE WE SEEM TO BE HAVING MORE CONCEPTUAL REVIEWS BEFORE WE HAVE DESIGN REVIEWS BEFORE.

SO CONCEPTUAL, I MEAN, NOT TO, CONCEPTUAL REVIEWS ARE ALWAYS AN OPTION FOR APPLICANTS FOR LARGER PROJECTS WHO DON'T WANNA GO TOO FAR DOWN A, A SPECIFIC ROAD WITHOUT GETTING FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE WHO WILL ULTIMATELY SORT OF WORK SESSION NEED TO APPROVE THEM.

SO, AND FOR THE 19TH, DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT AGENDA, BUT WE WILL HAVE SOME UPCOMING LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES BASED ON SOME STATE LAWS THAT WERE ADOPTED.

AND SO IF I CAN GET MY ACT TOGETHER, THAT MIGHT BE AUGUST 19TH OR IT MIGHT BLEED INTO SEPTEMBER.

BUT WE HAVE TO ADOPT THOSE BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

SO, UM, THEY WILL BE COMING SOON.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTION, I'LL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 6 0 4.