[1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL ]
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OKAY.I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER ON, UM, AUGUST 5TH.
RIGHT NOW WE WILL, UH, RISE AND DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I THINK I'M GONNA BE CHAIRING THE MEETING AND COMMISSIONER LEVIN IS JUST GOING TO BE ATTENDING.
PRESIDENT COMMISSIONER WHEEL HERE.
AND JUST TO BE NOTING, UM, COMMISSIONER LEVIN AND COMMISSIONER WHEEL ARE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY.
[2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF]
IS, UH, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.DO WE HAVE ANYTHING OF NOTE, CARRIE? I DO NOT.
[3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES]
MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES.IF NO ONE HAS ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE MINUTES, THEY'LL BE APPROVED.
NEXT IS NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC FORUM.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS 38 4 31 0.01 H.
ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
THE ONLY TWO COMMENT CARDS I'VE RECEIVED SO FAR DO NOT PERTAIN TO THE PUBLIC FORUM, BUT INSTEAD TO ITEM FIVE A.
SO UNLESS WE HAVE ANYBODY WHO HAS SOMETHING TO SAY RELATED TO ITEM FOUR, WE WILL PROCEED FROM THERE.
[5.a. Public Hearing/discussion/possible direction regarding a request for Conceptual Development Review for a proposed 36-unit lodging project with amenities including a restaurant, spa, and other support uses, at 40 Art Barn Road and 520 & 586 N State Route 89A (Ambiente Creekside). The properties are zoned Commercial (CO), are ±19 acres, and are located on the southeast side of N State Route 89A at the Owenby Way Roundabout. APN: 401-08-002A; 401-08-006A; 401-09-001A; 401-09-001B; 401-09-001C; 401-13-059.]
IS OUR MAIN AGENDA.A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR A PROPOSED 36 UNIT LODGING PROJECT WITH AMENITIES, INCLUDING A RESTAURANT SPA AND OTHER SUPPORT USES AT 40 ART BARN ROAD AND FIVE 20 AND 5 86 NORTH STATE ROUTE 89 A ONAY CREEKSIDE.
THE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED COMMERCIAL AND ARE IN OUR PLUS OR MINUS 19 ACRES AND ARE LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF NORTH STATE ROUTE 89 A AT THE O AND B WAY ROUNDABOUT.
THE PARCEL NUMBERS ARE 4 0 1 0 8 0 0 2 A, 4 0 1 0 8 0 0 6 A 4 0 1 0 9 0 0 1 A 4 0 1 0 9 0 0 1 8 4 0 1 1 9 0 0 1 C, AND 4 0 1 13 0 5 9.
PROPERTY OWNERS ACCESS CAPITAL TOTAL RETURN FUND, LLC.
AND THE APPLICANT IS DUTCHMAN'S COVE, LLC MIKE STEVENSON.
SO WE WILL HAVE A, UH, PRESENTATION BY STAFF AND THEN I ASSUME BY THE APPLICANT, YES, THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL.
I JUST WILL NOTE THAT WE ARE SEEING IF IT CAN COME TO GET THE PRESENTATION UP ON THE SCREEN.
THE TEAMS CART IS WORKING RIGHT NOW, SO IF YOU GUYS CAN SEE THAT, WE CAN, UM, TRY USING THAT, BUT HOPEFULLY I DO SEE SOMEONE FROM IT.
THEY MIGHT HAVE TO SWITCH PARTWAY THROUGH.
UM, SO AS THE VICE, AS THE ACTING CHAIR SAID, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR THE, UH, PROPOSED AMTE CREEKSIDE PROJECT.
UM, THE PURPOSE OF A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW IS TO ALLOW REVIEW AGENCY STAFF, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC, UM, A CHANCE TO FAMILIARIZE THEMSELVES WITH AND PROVIDE COMMENTS ON A DEVELOPMENT PRO PROPOSAL IN ITS EARLY CONCEPTUAL STAGE OF DESIGN.
THIS ALLOWS THE APPLICANT TO BECOME AWARE OF MAJOR ISSUES, CONCERNS, OR SUGGESTIONS PRIOR TO THE COMPLETION OF MORE DETAILED PLANS.
UM, WE DO NOT PROVIDE AN EVALUATION FOR FULL CONFORMANCE WITH CODE SECTIONS AT THIS TIME, AND
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WE DO NOT PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE PROJECT.UM, WE HAVE PROVIDED THE APPLICANT WITH COMMENTS ON THE LATEST SUBMITTAL, AND THOSE WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, UM, FOR THIS MEETING.
BUT THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ADDRESS THEM AT THIS TIME.
THIS IS MORE OF AN INFORMATION GATHERING STAGE OF THE PROJECT.
UM, THIS IS ALL OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, ACTING CHAIR SAID REGARDING THE LOCATION OF THE PROJECT.
UM, IT'S JUST UNDER 20 ACRES TOTAL SIZE.
THERE IS ONE HOUSE AND THEN THERE IS AN OLD WELL HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THE PROPOSAL IS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW 36 UNIT LODGING RESORT WITH AMENITIES, INCLUDING A RESTAURANT SPA.
SUPPORT USES IS, UM, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED COMMERCIAL.
THERE IS A MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE ZONING BACKGROUND IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, BUT THIS PROPERTY IS PERMITTED UP TO SIX LODGING UNITS PER PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY HAVE SIX, SIX PROPERTIES OUT THERE THAT WOULD LEAD TO 36, UM, LODGING UNITS.
AND THEN ALL THE OTHER COMMERCIAL USES OF THEY'RE PROPOSING ARE PERMITTED ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, THIS MAP HERE SHOWS THE PROPERTY IN RED, OUTLINED IN RED.
UM, SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE ROUNDABOUT AND UM, YOU SEE THE CREEK GOING THROUGH THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSED PRIMARILY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CREEK.
THIS IS THE AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN THESE ARE EXHIBITS THAT WERE ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
THE COMMUNITY PLAN DESIGNATIONS ARE, UM, FOLLOW PROPERTY LINES AND THE ZONE, THE ZONING, UH, DESIGNATIONS ARE, IT'S BASICALLY COMMERCIAL ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CREEK AND RESIDENTIAL ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CREEK.
UM, YEAH, THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN HAS THE ACCESS, THE PRIMARY ACCESS COMING OFF OF THE O AND B ROUNDABOUT WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE LODGING UNITS ALONG THE TOP OF THE CREEK BANK, UM, WITH THE ARRIVAL BUILDING.
AND THE RESTAURANT USES CLOSE TO THOSE.
AND THEN WE HAVE, THEY HAVE A STAFF HOUSING AND MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND A HEALTH SPA.
UM, A LITTLE FURTHER INTO THE SITE, THERE ARE TWO PRIMARY PARKING LOTS, UM, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING ALL VALET PARKING.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE DOUBLE STACKED PARKING LOTS.
UM, THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS OF THE ARRIVAL BUILDING ARE
THE, UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS OF THE RESTAURANT.
AGAIN, THAT IS GETTING CLOSE TO THE TOP OF THE CREEK BANK, WHICH YOU SEE DROPPING OFF ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE HERE.
YOU HAVE THE PROPOSED ATRIUMS. AGAIN, THERE WOULD BE 36 OF THESE.
UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE THE MAINTENANCE AND HOUSING BUILDING AS WELL.
I DON'T THINK I INCLUDED THE SPA BUILDING, SO I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT THEIR PROJECT REPRESENTATIVES AND ARCHITECTS ARE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUILDING DESIGN.
UM, SO THE INITIAL STAFF REVIEW, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, SO WE HAVEN'T DONE A FULL REVIEW.
WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM OUR, FROM PLANNING, FROM OUR ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND FROM OUR SUSTAINABILITY STAFF.
UM, THERE WERE QUESTIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS GENERALLY RELATED TO SOME OF THE PARKING ANALYSIS AND ENGINEERING STUDIES, UH, THE INITIAL ROUNDS OF THOSE THAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED.
UH, AND WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED A NUMBER OF COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR WHEN THE PROJECT COMES BACK FOR COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW.
UM, THEY WILL NEED TO CONTINUE TO DO PUBLIC OUTREACH.
THIS, UM, AS THEY PROGRESS IN THIS PROS PROCESS.
THE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN UP ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WEBSITE AND THE, THIS HEARING WAS NOTICED, UM, IN THE ROAD ROCK NEWS WITH A POSTING ON THE PROPERTY AND A MAILING TO NEIGHBOR, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE'D ACTUALLY GOTTEN ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, WRITTEN COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, SO WE HAVEN'T PROVIDED ANY TO YOU THAT, UM, IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, WE WOULD BE DOING A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW ONCE WE GET THOSE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS IN.
AND THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL.
IF YOU WANNA ASK ME QUESTIONS OR HAVE THEM GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION, I MIGHT WANNA PAUSE FOR, AND JOANNE WANTS ME TO PAUSE 'CAUSE SHE THINKS SHE CAN FIX THE COMPUTER.
YEAH, WE JUST NEED TO GET YOUR EXTENSION.
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UH, IT'S SHOWING AS A SINGLE VIEW AND NOT SHARING UP HERE.SO I THINK PHIL WANTS YOU TO TRY TO EXTEND THE SCREEN, THE SHARING FOR THE TEAMS, BUT NOT TO THE PROJECT.
I'LL JUST TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY WHILE TECHNICIANS ARE WORKING, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW AND WE'RE NOT VOTING TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO COLLAPSE THE, UH, WAY WE NORMALLY DO THINGS, WHICH IS TO PRESENTATION, HAVE A PRESENTATION, UH, ASK OUR QUESTIONS, HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, AND THEN GO INTO DISCUSSION.
WE'LL COLLAPSE THE QUESTIONS IN THE DISCUSSION JUST FOR EASE OF EASE OF THE EVENING.
WOULD YOU PREFER TO ASK QUESTIONS OF, OF STAFF NOW? OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR THE, UM, OWNER'S PRESENTATION AND THEN ASK QUESTIONS? ANYBODY HAVE A PREFERENCE? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
UM, WHERE, WHERE ARE WE PUTTING PUBLIC COMMENT? IN OUR COMMENCE VERSION? WE'RE GONNA PUT PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, EITHER AFTER, UM, AFTER STAFF AND BEFORE.
WAITING TILL EVERYBODY'S DONE.
WELL, HYPOTHETICALLY, IF THIS, IF THIS IS GONNA GO ON A LITTLE LONGER, MAYBE WE'LL TAKE THE PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.
HOW ABOUT IF WE DO THAT? OKAY.
WE HAVE TWO THAT I'M AWARE OF SO FAR.
ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD.
UM, FIRST ONE IS MIRIAM LEY RESTART THIS.
UM, COULD WE HEAR THEIR PRESENTATION FIRST AND THEN COMMENT? SURE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FILL THE DEAD SPACE.
AND MIRIAM ACKERLEY WOULD ALSO LIKE TO WAIT.
WELL, WE WILL SIT HERE AND WATCH THEM WORK.
I KNOW A HANDFUL PEOPLE HERE TOO.
THEY'RE USED TO ME DOING THIS.
AND MR. STEVENSON, IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO START YOUR PRESENTATION USING THE SMALL SCREEN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN BECAUSE THEY'RE, YEAH, THEY'RE BOTH.
WELL, I MEANT THE LITTLE YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
WANT TAKE A
I JUST PLUGGED THAT IN 'CAUSE IT WASN'T PLUGGED IN.
IT'S THE, THIS, YOU NEED TO PLUG THIS INTO THERE.
HOW ABOUT IF YOU INTRODUCE YOUR TEAM? THAT COULD TAKE A LITTLE WHILE.
'CAUSE YOU BROUGHT, YOU BROUGHT THE WHOLE TEAM
IF YOU TALK, YOU HAVE TO BE, YEAH.
SOMEBODY GET IN FRONT OF A THERE WE GO.
DO YOU WANT US STEP HERE THEN? UH, SURE.
I'M JENNIFER MAY, UH, ONE OF THE STEVENSON FAMILY.
UH, MY DAD IS MIKE STEVENSON AND, UH, ONE OF THE TWO SISTER BOSSES THAT, UH, RUNS AMBIENTE RIGHT NOW.
AND IF YOU COULD SPEAK A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MIC FOR THE BENEFIT OF OKAY.
IS THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER PARTICIPANTS? YES.
JENNIFER, MAY ONE OF THE STEVENSON FAMILY MEMBERS.
UM, I'M MIKE STEVENSON'S DAUGHTER AND ONE OF THE TWO SISTER BOSSES THAT RUNS AMTE.
WE'RE BOTH STEVEN TWO CHILDREN'S.
I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, A REAL EXCITING TIME FOR ALL OF US BECAUSE WE PUT, UH, A LOT OF STUDY INTO THIS SITE.
AS YOU SAW, TODAY'S AN AMAZING PIECE OF LAND.
AND, UH, WORKING FORWARD TO SEEING THIS COME TO FRUITION.
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SEE SOME OF MY FORMER CLIENTS IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL.I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH BOYLE PETRI KLEIN, WINNINGTON STALLINGS IN PRESCOTT, ARIZONA.
I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR AMBI CREEKSIDE PROJECT.
UH, IF WE GO THE FIRST SLIDE ACT, I CAN DO THE INTRODUCTIONS ON THE WHOLE PROJECT TEAM.
SO WE HAVE THE DEVELOPER IS DUTCHMAN'S COVE, LLC, THAT, THAT, UH, ENTITY NAME IS ACTUALLY NAMED AFTER DUTCHMAN'S COVE, THE RESTAURANT, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE PROPERTY.
AND, AND, UH, WAS OWNED BY MIKE STEVENSON'S FATHER JOHN STEVENSON, AND WHERE MIKE STEVENSON WAS ACTUALLY A, A COOK ON THIS PROPERTY.
UH, BUT THAT IS, SO THE, THE PRINCIPLES OF DUTCHMAN'S COVE ARE MIKE STEVENSON, WHO'S HERE TODAY.
JENNIFER MAY'S DAUGHTER CALLING TBRE HIS OTHER DAUGHTER.
AND THEN ALSO IN, IN THE SEATS BACK HERE, WE HAVE JESSE REEVES, WHICH IS A, A GRANDSON.
UH, I ALREADY INTRODUCED MYSELF 1 25 NORTH GRANITE STREET, PRESCOTT, ARIZONA.
UH, WE HAVE OUR ENGINEER OF RECORD IS, IS SEFTON ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS.
WE HAVE LUKE SEFTON, AND WE HAVE GLENN SMITH WITH US TODAY.
AND SO THE WHOLE PROJECT TEAM'S AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, THEY'RE BASED HERE OUT OF SEDONA AS WELL, WITH EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE.
AND THEY WERE THE ENGINEERS FOR THE ORIGINAL AMBI BEYONCE PROJECT.
AND THEN, UH, STEVEN THOMPSON OF, OF STEVEN THOMPSON ARCHITECTURE, ALSO BASED OUT OF SEDONA HERE.
HE'S BEEN A LOCAL PRACTICING ARCHITECT FOR OVER 25 YEARS.
AND AGAIN, HE ALSO WAS THE ARCHITECT FOR THE ORIGINAL AMANTE PROJECT.
SO, AS AFTER I COMPLETE THE PRESENTATION, THE WHOLE TEAM'S AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE COULD ASSIST YOU WITH.
UH, SO FIRST I JUST WANT TO DO A BRIEF, UH, INTRODUCTION IN TERMS OF WHAT THE AMANTE CONCEPT IS.
SO THIS IS, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S AMANTE, UH, A LANDSCAPE HOTEL THAT, THAT'S OVER HERE OFF THE HIGHWAY THAT'S UP AND RUNNING.
IT'S AN INCREDIBLE HOTEL FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA.
UH, IT HAS, WE'RE NOW AS PART OF THIS AMANTE CREEKSIDE PRO, UH, PROPOSAL WILL BE, THIS WILL BE NAMED AMANTE RED ROCKS, THE EXISTING ONE.
AND SO AMANTE RED ROCKS IS THE ONLY TWO KEY MICHELIN HOTEL IN ALL OF ARIZONA.
UH, IN 2024 IS WORLD NAMED WORLD'S, UH, ONE OF THE WORLD'S BEST AWARDS IN THE TRAVEL AND LEISURE MAGAZINE.
UH, BEST HOTEL IN ARIZONA 2024 FROM THE ARIZONA TRAVEL AWARDS.
UH, BEST HOTEL IS 2024 FROM AFAR.
AND, UH, BEST SPAS TO VISIT, UH, THAT ALSO IS 2024 FROM L UH, UH, SO HERE'S THE PLAN FOR THE AMANTE CREEKSIDE PROJECT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, AND THAT'S, IT'S ON 19 ACRES LOCATED ON OAK CREEK.
YOU, YOU DID THE PROPERTY TOUR THIS MORNING, INCREDIBLE PRISTINE PROPERTY.
AND I'M SURE PROBABLY THE FIRST THING YOU NOTICE WHEN YOU GET DOWN THERE IS, UH, THERE'S NO ROAD NOISE.
YOU CAN'T HEAR THE HIGHWAY AT ALL.
INCREDIBLY PRISTINE, BEAUTIFUL PLACE.
UH, THE PROPOSAL IS 36 ATRIUMS. THE AVERAGE SIZE OF THOSE UNITS WILL BE 875 SQUARE FEET.
EACH ONE, WE ANTICIPATE WILL HAVE A PRIVATE HOT TUB AND A, AND A NATURAL GAS FIRE PIT AS WELL.
UH, THERE'LL BE A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT SPA AND A WELLNESS FACILITY THERE, UH, DUTCHMAN'S COVE RESTAURANT.
SO THERE'LL BE ALMOST A, A REBUILDING, A REBIRTH OF, OF THE RESTAURANT, WHICH, UH, UH, TO GIVE YOU JUST THE BRIEF HISTORY OF THAT, THAT WAS AN OPERATING GREAT RESTAURANT.
AND THEN, UH, IN THE SEVENTIES, I BELIEVE IT WAS, IT BURNED DOWN AND IT DIDN'T GET REBUILT.
UM, SO BRINGING BACK DUTCHMAN'S COVE RESTAURANT, I'D ANTICIPATE THAT'LL BE THE NAME OF THE RESTAURANT.
UH, THERE'LL BE A FITNESS CENTER AND A MOVEMENT STUDIO, AND THEN THERE'LL BE A LUXURY POOL IN GROTTO AREA AS WELL.
UH, I JUST, I JUST PUT UP THESE TWO PHOTOS OF THE SITE.
I ACTUALLY TOOK BOTH OF THESE PHOTOS.
UH, SO JUST WITH MY CELL PHONE CAMERA, I WAS OUT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT.
UH, THE, THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS ACTUALLY TAKEN FROM AN OVERLOOK ON HUCKABEE TRAIL.
THAT'S A BENCH THERE, IF YOU CAN SEE, UH, DOWN BELOW THE LITTLE, UH, KIND OF MEADOW AREA OR GRASSY AREA.
THAT'S BASICALLY THE SITE LOCATION OR JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THAT IN THIS PHOTO.
UH, AND THIS AGAIN TIE INTO A LATER DISCUSSION ON THE, THE PROPOSED CREEK WALK THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS.
SO, BUT JUST INCREDIBLE VIEWS.
AND THAT'S, I'D ANTICIPATE IF, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO DO THE CREEK WALK AND GET A CONNECTION THROUGH NATIONAL FOREST.
THAT'S, THAT'S A SHORT LITTLE WALK TO GET UP THERE, MAYBE, MAYBE 20 MINUTES FROM OB WAY ROUNDABOUT.
UH, AND THEN THE, THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT HERE IS, THAT'S THE BEGINNING OF DUTCHMAN'S HOLE, IS ACTUALLY WHAT'S THAT'S CALLED.
UM, YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN SEE THE DEEP WATER RIGHT ON THE BASE OF THE CLIFF THERE, THAT
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IS DUTCHMAN'S HOLE.IT'S, UH, OVER 10 FEET DEEP THERE.
IT'S OVER 30 FEET WIDE AND INCREDIBLE, UH, HOLE RIGHT THERE ON OAK CREEK.
AND, UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY LABELED ON THE SITE PLAN TO GIVE YOU SOME ORIENTATION UP ON TOP OF THERE.
THAT'LL BE CITED, THE, THE DUTCHMAN'S COVE RESTAURANT.
AND THEN, UH, SOME ATRIUMS O OVERLOOK THAT AS WELL.
UH, JUST A, A QUICK EXPLANATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHERE, UH, WE'VE BEEN IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE CITY SINCE JANUARY OF THIS YEAR OVER A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
IT WASN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRED TO BUILD OUT THIS SITE BECAUSE, UH, THE ZONING DOES PERMIT THE 36 LODGING UNITS ON SIX PARCELS.
UH, OR, OR FRANKLY, EVEN IF WE DID A, A SUBDIVISION PLAT, WE COULD, YOU COULD ADD MORE UNITS THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE STEVENSONS WANT TO DO OR INTEND TO DO.
BUT, UH, UH, THE 36 UNITS IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT, RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE BUILDING HERE.
UH, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WILL REQUIRE US TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC ACCESS CREEK WALK THAT'LL GET, THAT'LL GET FOLKS FROM, UH, THE OMB WAY ROUNDABOUT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, INTO, INTO NATIONAL FOREST.
AND, AND AT THAT POINT, IT'LL BE, UH, UH, UP, UP TO THE CITY TO EITHER WORK WITH NATIONAL FOREST TO GET A CONNECTION OVER TO HUCKABEE TRAIL OR, UH, THE, I KNOW THE CITY'S ALSO BEEN WORKING ON A, A CREEK WALK GOING SOUTH.
AND, AND SO FROM THERE, THE, THE CITY WILL BE ABLE TO DO EITHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS, UH, THAT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING, UH, THAT AMANTE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT'S OFFSITE, UH, BUT WE CAN DO WHAT WE CAN, WHICH IS PROVIDE A PUBLIC ACCESS TRAIL TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY FROM, UH, THE OM B WAY ROUNDABOUT.
UH, THERE IS A COST REIMBURSEMENT AND INVOLVED THAT, THAT TRAILS ANTICIPATED TO HAVE SOME PRETTY EXPENSIVE, UH, COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
UH, UH, AND THEN THE, UH, THE ONE THING WE REALLY GET IN EXCHANGE IS THERE IS A, AN EASEMENT HELD BY THE CITY THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY HERE.
UH, THAT'S LIMITED TO MUNICIPAL USES, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY ABANDONS IN, IN EXCHANGE FOR, UH, THIS PUBLIC TRAIL CREEK WALK.
UH, SO I, I ALREADY EXPLAINED THE CREEK WALK AND, AND ONE THING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT OR PROPOSING WOULD BE A, LIKE A CANOPY WALK.
THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WON'T REQUIRE THAT.
AND, AND WE'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN HEARING SOME FEEDBACK, UH, AS WHAT, WHAT THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST LEVEL IS, WHAT YOUR INTEREST LEVEL IS.
AND, AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO DEPENDENT UPON FINANCING, ULTIMATELY WHAT THE COSTS ARE.
BUT THE CREEK WALK WOULD BE ELEVATED OFF THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, 10 TO 15 FEET IN THE AIR, GET YOU UP ABOVE THE CANOPY, AND, AND REALLY BE ABLE TO EXPERIENCE THE BEAUTY AND SPLENDOR OF OAK CREEK AND THE CANYON, UM, WHILE, WHILE STILL PROTECTING AND PRESERVING IT.
UH, AND THAT REALLY, THAT CONCLUDES MY PORTION.
JENNIFER MAY'S GOT, THERE'S INCREDIBLE FAMILY STORY THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS.
I'M GONNA PASS THIS OVER TO JENNIFER.
UM, SO MY FAMILY'S HISTORY HERE IN SEDONA STARTED QUITE A LONG TIME AGO.
UM, AND I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE WILL KIND OF SHOW A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT.
BUT, BUT THESE PICTURES RIGHT HERE ARE PICTURES THAT MY PARENTS TOOK AT THE OLD DUTCHMAN'S COVE RESTAURANT THAT YOU SEE THERE.
UH, MY DAD DID WORK AS A COOK.
HE ALSO WORKED AS A BARTENDER LATER IN THE NIGHT.
MY SISTER WAS SIX MONTHS OLD WHEN THEY MOVED THERE, AND I WAS BORN ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO WE'VE GOT A LONG FAMILY HISTORY AND TIE THERE.
UM, IN FACT, THAT PICTURE AT THE BOTTOM, MY MOM'S IN THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE.
AND SHE WAS PREGNANT WITH ME AT THAT, IN THAT, IN THAT PHOTO.
SHE'S THE BEAUTIFUL ONE ON THE LEFT WITH A FLOWER DRESS
SO IF YOU LOOK RIGHT HERE, TURN THIS HIS WAY.
SO MY, MY DAD'S, UH, GRANDFATHER ACTUALLY MOVED THERE IN 1911.
AND SO WE'VE GOT THAT LONG OF A HISTORY IN SEDONA.
UM, MY GRANDFATHER MOVED THERE IN 1966, UH, PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY AND HE OWNED IT UP UNTIL, I THINK, 1983.
UM, HE DID HAVE A RESTAURANT ON THAT PROPERTY FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
UM, I THINK IN 1980 OR 81, HE LEASED IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE, UH, WHEN HE MOVED AWAY.
AND IT ENDED UP BURNING DOWN IN 1983, ACTUALLY.
SO, UM, IT WAS REALLY KIND OF AN AMAZING THING THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THIS PROPERTY BACK.
UM, SO THAT JUST SPEAKS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE, THE FAMILY HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THAT TALKS ABOUT ME BEING BORN DOWN THERE.
THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS A PICTURE OF MY DAD AND MY MOM.
YOU CAN SEE MY MOM PREGNANT WITH ME RIGHT THERE.
I WAS BORN 11 DAYS AFTER THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN.
UH, AND THAT IS WITH MY DAD'S FATHER, JOHN STEVENSON AND HIS WIFE MARIAN.
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THIS MORNING AS WELL, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE END OF THE, THAT'S GREAT.THERE, THERE'S ONE THING ON THE SITE PLAN I WANNA POINT OUT, AND THEN WE COULD TURN OVER TO QUESTIONS, OR IF YOU WANTED A KIND OF A FULLER EXPLANATION OF THE SITE PLAN.
UH, WE GOT OUR ARCHITECT HERE COULD DO A GREAT JOB ON THAT.
UH, BUT THAT'S, YOU'LL SEE IN OUR, THE SITE PLAN THAT WE SUBMITTED HERE.
THE, UH, THE PUBLIC ACCESS CREEK WALK ACTUALLY RUNS FROM O AND B WAY ROUNDABOUT OFF TO THE WEST AND THEN, AND DOWN AND AROUND THE SIDE TO THE NATIONAL FOREST.
AND THEN YOU, IF YOU CAN PICTURE IN, IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT, OR, OR THAT WOULD BE THE, THE SOUTHWEST PORTION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK, YOU CAN SEE A BRIDGE COMING ACROSS THE CREEK, UH, THAT, THAT'S A PROPOSED CANOPY WALK, A PRIVATE CANOPY WALK THAT WOULD NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, UH, BUT THAT'D BE ELEVATED.
AGAIN, A WAY TO GIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PRIVATE GUESTS TO BE ABLE TO EXPERIENCE IT WHILE STILL HAVING THEM, UH, KIND OF ELEVATED UP AND, AND, UH, PROTECTING AND PRESERVING THE CREEK, UH, THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
UH, WE WERE INFORMED THAT BECAUSE THE ZONING ON THAT SIDE OF THE CREEK IS A RESIDENTIAL ZONING, THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE A, AN APPLICATION TO REZONE THE PROPERTY, TO, TO USE THAT AS A PRIVATE CANOPY WALK OVER THERE.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION ON TODAY IS KIND OF THOUGHTS OR, OR FEEDBACK ON IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE COMMISSION OR THE PUBLIC WOULD BE, UH, OPEN TO, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD WITHDRAW WHEN WE COME BACK FOR OUR FINAL SUBMISSION? UH, AND WITH THAT, REALLY AT THIS TIME, I'D, I'D OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE COMPLETE PRESENTATION DONE, AND THEN WE'LL ASK QUESTIONS.
I THINK, I THINK THAT IS THE COMPLETE PRESENTATION FOR RIGHT NOW.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, I, I'LL ASK A QUESTION ON THE LAST THING THAT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT THE REZONE ON THE RS 10 NUMBER.
THE, IT'S AN RS 35 ZONE AND YEAH, WE NEVER SEE THAT NUMBER.
SO
WOULD IT NEED REZONED OR COULD IT BE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? SO THE WAY THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A PROPOSED, IT'S A, A PRIVATE HOTEL AMENITY, WHICH WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ON RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
WE HAVE SAID THAT IF IT WAS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, IT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED A, A PARK AMENITY MM-HMM
UM, WHICH MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE ON THE RESIDENTIAL.
BUT AS A PRIVATE CREEK OR PRIVATE FOR HOTEL OR GUEST ONLY, THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED THERE.
AND THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I, NO, CAN'T OPEN MY FAVORITE TABLE.
I THOUGHT I'D ASK THAT QUESTION.
'CAUSE THE ZONING ON THIS IS VERY CONFUSING.
THE WHOLE, I KNOW THERE'S A LONG HISTORY, BUT, UM, SO REALLY THE ONLY THING PROPOSED ON THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AT THE MOMENT IS HYPOTHETICALLY THE CANOPY WALK, BUT ONLY IF A POTENTIAL FOR A REZONE.
AND THERE'S NO REZONING AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
SO IF, IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THE OTHER PARCELS LEFT VACANT FOR THE TIME BEING, RIGHT? CORRECT.
I I, COULD I TAG ONTO THAT PLEASE? SO I WAS WONDERING WHY YOU WERE NOT INTERESTED IN CONSIDERING A REZONE TO COMMERCIAL, WHICH WOULD THEN ALLOW THE CREEK WALK, UH, THE PRIVATE CREEK WALK.
UM, I'M ASSUMING IT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOMEWHERE IN YOUR PACKET THE POSSIBILITY IN THE FUTURE OF SIX RESIDENTIAL, UH, HOMES.
IN THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS ON DEVELOPING THAT SIDE.
UH, TODAY WE, WE KIND OF WANNA KEEP IT PRISTINE.
IT'S THE, IT, IT WOULD BE THE ONLY RESORT IN TOWN THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS ACROSS THE CREEK AND DOESN'T SEE A HOUSE OR DOESN'T SEE, UH, SOME DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UH, THAT WHOLE EASTERN SIDE OF THE CREEK FOR ALMOST 1500 FEET LINEAR FEET IS JUST ALL UNTOUCHED LAND.
AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT A VIEW THAT IS FOR OUR CUSTOMERS AND FOR OUR PUBLIC.
YOU COULD HAVE THE SAME VIEW IF YOU REZONED IT COMMERCIAL AND YOU, BUT, SO THERE'S NO CONNECTION WITH WANTING TO KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION LATER.
OUR IDEA WAS REALLY TO KIND OF USE THAT AS A PARK SETTING.
AND, BUT WE WANTED TO DEVELOP, UH, THE PUBLIC WALKWAY FOR THE PUBLIC, AND WE'VE AGREED WITH THAT, WITH THE CITY TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE, UH, ALMOST 1800 LINEAR FEET OF, OF WALKWAY FROM OWENS B WALK, UH, BE ROUND ABOUT DOWN TO THE END OF OUR PROPERTY.
SO THE OTHER ONE ACROSS THE CREEK THERE THAT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A SPIDER WAS GONNA BE REALLY ONE FOR ALL THE PUBLIC AND OUR GUESTS TO COME TO THE RESTAURANT, UH, OR, OR TO THE HEALTH SPOT.
THE CUSTOMERS THAT WORK IN THAT AREA WOULD BE ABLE TO WALK ACROSS AND ENJOY KIND OF IN A PARK-LIKE SETTING ABOUT WALKING ELEVATED OFF THE GROUND.
UH, WE, WE REALLY FEEL THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO TRY TO INTRODUCE TO THE CITY BECAUSE IT'S BEING DONE ALL OVER THE WORLD IN A WAY TO PRESERVE, UH, YOU
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KNOW, DELICATE GROUNDS AND, AND, UH, AND, UH, THE REPAIRING AREAS.UH, WE WANTED TO KIND OF SHOW THAT AND HAVE A PRIVATE AREA JUST FOR OUR CUSTOMERS TOO.
BUT WE, WE UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S POSITION ON THIS.
SO, BUT, UM, I MEAN, IF, IF YOU, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO GIVE US A ZONING FOR CHANGE, A ZONING CHANGE, I, I'M HOPING FOR, I'M NOT MUCH TO ASK FOR
CAN I, CAN I BACK PIGGYBACK YOU AGAIN? GO, GO FOR IT.
SO YEAH, IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN, THE ELEVATED WALKWAY, WILL THERE BE PATHWAYS TO THE CREEK THAT YOU'LL PROPOSE IN ANOTHER ROUND? WELL, WE ARE FROM OWENBY WALKWAY, RIGHT.
I MEAN, FOR YOUR, I MEAN FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS TO INTERACT WITH THE CREEK.
WE, WE CAN, WE CAN, YOU CAN PROBABLY CAN COME ON A WALKWAY, UH, UP BY OWENBY WALKWAY, UH, ROUNDABOUT, AND THEY'LL WALK ALL THE WAY OVER TO ART BARN ROAD, DOWN ART BARD ROAD WHEN THEY GET TO THAT INTERSECTION DOWN THERE BY THE RESTAURANT.
ALL OF A SUDDEN FROM THERE, THAT'LL ALL BE ELEVATED FROM THERE, PROBABLY DOWN TO THE, TO THE CREEK ITSELF.
AS LONG AS WE GET PERMISSION FROM THE CITY TO DO THAT IF THERE'S NOT BEEN ONE BUILT HERE.
SO WE'RE NOT SURE IF WE'RE GONNA RUN INTO ISSUES WITH, WITH WHATEVER, UH, I, IT, IT'LL BE A NEW THING THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CITY AND WORK OUT WITH THE CITY THAT ALLOWS US TO DO THAT.
BUT I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT ELEVATED WALKWAY IN AND THEN SOMEHOW GET THAT ACROSS THE CREEK TO GO TO, UH, HUCKABEE TRAIL AND MAYBE ONE DAY AS THEY TURNED TO GO SOUTH, ENCOURAGE THIS ELEVATED WALKWAY TO GO CLEAR SOUTH.
BUT YOU WERE TALKING STRICTLY ABOUT PRIVATE YEAH.
I'M TALKING ABOUT YOUR, YOUR CUSTOMERS ON SITE.
WHO WOULD USE THAT ELEVATED WALKWAY IF IT DOESN'T EXIST? ARE YOU GONNA CREATE A PATH SYSTEM TO GET DOWN TO THE CREEK? WELL, NO, WE WON'T.
NO, THERE'S REALLY, UH, THE, THE, THE UNITS THAT ARE ON THE RIGHT ARE ABOVE, THEY'RE ABOUT A 25, 30 FOOT CLIFF ABOVE THE CREEK.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO WALK DOWN TO THE RESTAURANT TO BE ABLE TO GET DOWN TO THE CREEK TO START WITH.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS ON THE SOUTHERN PART ARE ALL, ALMOST JUST ABOVE CREEK LEVEL, THEY'LL BE ON STILTS.
OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WELL, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ELEVATED, UM, UH, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO BE UP IN THE WOODS.
WE'VE BEEN TO PARKS AND RESORTS THAT DO THAT.
UH, THE PROBLEM, THE SOLUTION HAS TO DEAL WITH THE VERTICAL CHANGES BETWEEN BEING ON GRADE AND ABOVE GRADE.
AND, UH, IT LOOKED LIKE THE LOT MIGHT ACCOMMODATE THAT IN CERTAIN PLACES TO, UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE WERE DOWN BY THE RESTAURANT AREA.
AND YOU SAID THAT THE ARRIVAL BUILDING WAS QUITE A BIT HIGHER, RIGHT? CORRECT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT, UH, I, I THINK THAT COULD BE QUITE FINE.
UM, THE PATH UP BY OWENS B AND WRAPPING AROUND SEEMS A LITTLE CIRCUITOUS SOMETIME FOR A WALKWAY.
IT DOESN'T FEEL VERY WONDERFUL UNTIL I GET TO THE ARRIVAL BUILDING, BUT I'M SURE YOU CAN WORK THAT OUT.
AND SO THE, AND THE ISSUE ABOUT GETTING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER IS THAT IT'S NOT ZONED FOR EVEN THAT.
WELL, WE, WE CAN ONLY WORK AS FAR AS OUR PROPERTY LINE.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT, WE'RE AT THE MERCY OF THE, THE PARK SERVICE OR FORESTRY.
UH, BUT WE HAVE, UH, INDICATIONS THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH US TO GET THE TRAIL IN TO GO TO, UH, THE HUCKABEE TRAIL.
BUT THE RAISED PART THERE, THE SPIDER YOU CALLED IT, IS NOT ON YOUR PROPERTY? NO, THAT'S ON OUR PROPERTY TOO.
IT'S, BUT IT'S JUST NOT ALLOWED AT THIS TIME.
ARE WE DONE TALKING ABOUT THE WALKWAY? I WOULD REALLY LOVE FOR OUR PRESENTATION, UH, TO MAYBE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE ON THE SITE.
THE ATRIUM KIND OF TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIGHT AND NOISE, AND IT'S KIND OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE, THAT A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO CAN SOMEBODY, I, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE ATRIUMS FIRST MAYBE, AND THEN TALK ABOUT THE RESTAURANT AND THE, UH, EMPLOYEE HOUSING AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF AS WELL.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE HAS A PRESENTATION ON THAT.
LET'S GET OUR ARCHITECT STEVEN THOMPSON UP HERE.
GARY, DO WE HAVE A POINTER? NO, I DON'T.
LET'S HOPING SOMEONE WOULD SAY THAT.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE A REAL QUICK OVERVIEW, A WALK THROUGH THIS CIRCULATION, THE ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN, THE SITE, AND SO FORTH, PLEASE.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S, IT'S ROUGHLY 20 ACRES.
UH, THE CREEK DIVIDES, IT DIVIDES IT FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL ZONE WISE, BUT ALSO FROM AN ACCESS STANDPOINT TOO.
IT'S PRETTY TOUGH TO GET ACROSS THE CREEK ANYWHERE HERE THERE'S WATER, THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, ELEVATION CHANGE.
AND SO IN DEVELOPING THIS, AND,
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AND BY THE WAY, UNDERLYING, UH, REAL IMPORTANT FACT, THERE ARE ROUGHLY 200 MAJESTIC, MATURE 60 FOOT SYCAMORE TREES ON THIS SITE.WE SURVEYED EVERY ONE OF THEM.
PART OF THE REASON FOR WHAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE A FRACTURED NUMBER OF LITTLE YELLOW BOXES ALL OVER IS SO THAT WE COULD PRESERVE TREES.
THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES THERE, NOT NECESSARILY SHOWN HERE.
SOME ARE GHOSTED IN, IN THE PARKING AREAS.
UH, OF THE 200, OUR GOAL IS TO SAVE 80 OR 90%.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE MAY SAVE 80%, WHICH ON ANY PROJECT I'VE EVER DONE HERE IS, UH, THAT'S A BADGE.
UH, AND WE DO THAT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE, THE INTRINSIC VALUE THAT THEY, THEY HAVE FOR US, FOR OUR IMAGE, FOR OUR CLIENTELE, BUT ALSO, UH, THIS IS A LANDSCAPE HOTEL.
WE WANT, WE WANNA PRESERVE IT.
WE WANNA PRESERVE THE SITE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WHILE STILL DEVELOPING IT.
WE'RE CROWDED INTO ROUGHLY HALF THE SITE BY PRESERVING EVERYTHING ACROSS THE CREEK.
UM, THE MAIN ELEMENTS YOU SEE, CIRCULATION IS BASICALLY RUNNING FROM THE, THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE DOWN THROUGH THE SITE.
THEY DON'T HAVE A POINTER, UH, AROUND THE WEST PARKING AREA.
WE CALL IT DOWN TO THE 90 DEGREE TURN THAT YOU SEE.
THE ARROYO ROBLEY SITE IS, UH, ONE YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY ON IN THAT NOTCH OF OUR SITE.
AND THE PATHWAY, WHICH IS SHOWN THERE IN THE, THE DARKER BROWN, UH, THAT'S TAKEN A LOT OF FORMS FROM ELEVATED TO ON THE SURFACE.
WE KINDA LIKE TO PUT THAT LEG OF IT ON THE SURFACE.
IT'S NOT A LINE ACROSS THE VISUAL ELEMENT OF OUR PROJECT.
AND IT'S FRANKLY HALF THE COST OF DOING AN ELEVATED WALK.
UH, AND THEN FROM THERE ON DOWN, WHATEVER FORM IT MAY TAKE.
UM, THE ATRIUMS ARE THE YELLOW RECTANGLES.
THREE OF THEM ARE PENTHOUSES ON TOP OF THE ARRIVAL BUILDING.
YOU CAN SEE THE ORANGE MULTI, UH, CORNERED RECTANGLE.
THEY'RE THE THREE ON THE, THEY'RE THE THREE ON, ON THE CREEK SIDE.
YOU CAN SEE WE, THEY'RE NOT ON THE BRIS BUILDING.
I'M SORRY, WHAT? THEY'RE NOT ON THE ARRIVALS BUILDING.
THEY'RE RIGHT ALONG THE CREEKSIDE EDGE.
UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE DARKER ORANGE UNITS.
THAT WAS A COUPLE ITERATIONS AGO.
DID WE LOSE THE THREE PENTHOUSES ON TOP? YES, WE DID.
UH, THE, THE THREE ORANGE ARE MORE OF WHAT WE'D CALL A PREMIUM UNIT.
THEY'RE A ONE BEDROOM QUASI OPEN LAYOUT.
AND IS IT POSSIBLE TO SHOOT BACK AND FORTH TO THE IMAGES OF THESE SOMEHOW? I DON'T HAVE THE A DA UNITS TOO.
I DON'T, YOU DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THOSE ON OUR HOUSES.
NO, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO EXPLAIN.
MAYBE WHEN WE SCROLL WE COULD DO THAT.
MAJOR ELEMENTS BESIDES THOSE ARE THE ARRIVAL BUILDING THE RESTAURANT IS A LITTLE BIT DARKER ORANGE.
THAT INCLUDES A ROOFTOP, UM, UH, GREENHOUSE MEETING FACILITY, BANQUET FACILITY, AND, UM, WHAT WE CALL THE TREETOP BAR, WHICH WILL HAVE, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE MAJOR SYCAMORE TREES AROUND IT, WE HAVE A STEEL SYCAMORE IN THE MIDDLE WITH A GLASS CANOPY ON TOP.
AT LEAST THAT'S THE PLAN TO KIND OF, UH, MAKE THAT PIECE OF THE FOREST USABLE.
THERE'S A GROTTO BELOW, UH, A LOT OF ASSOCIATED WATER, UH, ELEMENTS.
I, I HEARD SOMEONE TALK ABOUT THE, THE HISTORIC DITCH.
UM, IT'S UP IN THE UPPER CORNER.
IT CAME DOWN ALONG WHERE THE HIGHWAY IS NOW.
SOME OF IT WAS LOST TO THE GRADING, BUT THERE IS A, UM, ACTUALLY WATER THAT WILL FLOW TO ROUGHLY WHERE THE LEG COMES OFF THE CIRCLE.
AND WE WANNA CELEBRATE THAT, BRING IT ON DOWN THROUGH THE SITE.
AS GRADE FALLS LOWER TO THE LEFT IN THE FORM OF DITCH WATER FEATURE, SOMETIMES IT GOES UNDERGROUND.
YOU CAN SEE A FEW BLUE THINGS IN THE ARRIVAL COURTYARD THAT'S GONNA BE WATER MAKING ITS WAY ON DOWN.
AND TRADITIONALLY WHEN THIS WAS AN APPLE ORCHARD, THE WATER CAME THROUGH THE SITE AND THEN IT WAS RETURNED TO THE CREEK.
NOW THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ABOUT SUCH THINGS THESE DAYS, BUT IN A PERFECT WORLD, IT'D BE NICE TO SEE THAT WATER MOVE THROUGH AND THEN FALL BACK INTO THE CREEK.
UM, THE PURPLE IS A 15,000 FOOT, UM, SPA WELLNESS, UH, REALLY WITH SOME QUITE INTERESTING EXPERIENTIAL BATHS.
GROTTO STYLE BELOW NATURAL FORM, THEY
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MOVE INDOOR AND OUTDOOR INTO THE COURTYARD WHERE YOU SEE THE TWO PURPLE RECTANGLES.UH, SO THAT LINE BETWEEN INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE INVISIBLE.
AND SOMETIMES IT DOES, IT RETRACTS AND OPENS UP AS IN THE RESTAURANT ARRIVAL.
AND THE WHOLE SPA, THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING IS THE BROWNISH RECTANGLE AND THE SMALLER RUN ABOVE OUR STAFF HOUSING UNITS, WE HAVE FOUR OF THEM.
UM, GENERAL CIRCULATION FOLLOWS THAT MAIN DRIVE IN DOWN THROUGH THE SITE.
UH, THERE'LL BE NO VEHICLES PRIVATELY DRIVEN ON THE SITE.
IT'LL BE A HUNDRED PERCENT VALET.
UH, YOU CAN SEE A BIT DARKER GRAY THAT IS EMERGENCY VEHICLE, UH, UH, RIGHTS OF WAY, UH, THAT WILL NOT LOOK LIKE AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE RIGHT OF WAY.
IT WILL BE HIGHWAY LOAD, UH, UH, COMPLIANT, BUT IT WILL LOOK MORE LIKE A PATHWAY THAT MEANDERS THROUGH TREES.
AND WE PLAN ON GETTING FOREST SERVICE THERE, AS I'VE DONE SO MANY TIMES HERE.
AND IN THE INTEREST OF SAVING TREES, WE KIND OF MOVE AROUND TREES WITH THE VEHICLES AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THAT ACCESS NECESSITY, TWO PARKING AREAS, THE UPPER, THE LOWER, THEY'RE FULLY VALET PARKED.
UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF TREES WITHIN THOSE PARKING AREAS.
OUR GOAL IS TO LAY THE PARKING LOT OUT AND SEE HOW WE CAN LIVE WITH PARKING LOT AND SAVE TREES.
SO THAT WILL BE AN EFFORT, UH, THAT WE DO THROUGHOUT THIS PROJECT.
WE WE'RE ALL GONNA GO OUT THERE AND WALK THE SITE.
THAT BECOMES PART OF THE LANDSCAPE EFFORT IS PRESERVING TREES.
UM, ABOUT DOING, I, UH, I THINK THAT THE, THE WHOLE IDEA HERE IS THAT WE CREATE A WILDERNESS EXPERIENCE IN UPTOWN SEDONA.
UH, ONCE YOU GET ON THIS SITE AND YOU'RE LOOKING BASICALLY EAST, NORTH AND SOMEWHAT SOUTH, YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING EXCEPT, UM, THE CREEK ENVIRONMENT, THE TALUS, THE RED ROCKS, THE RIM AND THE SKY.
IT'S ONE OF THE MOST UNIQUE POSSIBILITIES FOR A FACILITY LIKE THIS IN THE CITY.
UM, AND WE PLAN ON NOT OBSTRUCTING IT EVER IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE IT'S A, IT IS A HUGE ASSET FOR THIS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING HERE? NO.
SO TALK ABOUT, CAN YOU DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT, YOU MENTIONED A, LIKE A GREENHOUSE, A ROOF FOR LIKE MEETING SPACES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UH, PROTECTION FROM, UH, LIGHT POLLUTION WILL YOU HAVE WITHIN THAT GREENHOUSE, THOSE GLASS ROOFS AND OR ARE Y'ALL THINKING ABOUT THAT? RIGHT.
UM, WE HAVE RESEARCHED A, AN INTERESTING PRODUCT.
UM, IT'S A TECH GLASS SANDWICH, IF YOU WILL, THAT CAN, UH, IT CAN FADE, IT CAN, IT CAN TRANSLUCENT, IT CAN CHANGE COLORS AND IT CAN BECOME OPAQUE.
UH, AND SO IF YOU IMAGINE AFTER DARK, AND THIS IS ALL ELECTRONICALLY AFTER DARK, IF THERE'S AN EVENT GOING ON IN THERE, WE CLOSE IT DOWN.
THAT'S ONE THING WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WE HAVE OTHER, OTHER SHROUDING, UM, IDEAS THAT WE'RE PURSUING, AND WE'LL CERTAINLY ARTICULATE THOSE WHEN WE COME AND SEE YOU AGAIN.
AS AN EXAMPLE ALSO, UM, WITH THE CURRENT AMBIENTE, I BELIEVE WE ONLY USED 80% OF THE LIGHTING THAT WE WERE ALLOWED TO USE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO US ALSO TO HAVE IT BE DARK SKY, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE ACTIVITIES OUR GUESTS LOVE WHEN THEY COME, IS TO BE ABLE TO SIT OUT AND WATCH THE STARS AND THEY GET TO SEE A LOT MORE THAN WHAT THEY WOULD IN SAY, A CITY.
SO WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP EVERYTHING BELOW.
ANY OTHER BUILDING QUESTIONS? WE HAVE, WE HAVE RENDERINGS OF THE BUILDINGS HERE.
WE COULD SCROLL THROUGH, UH, ONCE WE KINDA GET THROUGH THIS, IF YOU CARE TO SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, THEY'RE IN THEIR PACKET, BUT WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T PUT THEM UP.
SO I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION REGARDING BUILDINGS.
AND, AND THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A A SEDONA PASSION QUESTION.
UM, YOU, I SAW IN YOUR PACKET ABOUT THE EMPLOYEE HOUSING, SO FOUR UNITS FOR EMPLOYEE HOUSING, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE MORE, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE TEMPORARY HOUSING, IS THAT CORRECT? SO THAT THEY HAVE LIKE SIX MONTHS OR WHATEVER YOU LOOK AT THE MARKET TO FIND STABLE HOUSING.
SO CAN YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR PHILOSOPHY ON THAT AND YEAH.
WHAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING AND WHAT, WHEN YOU SAY FOUR UNITS, WHAT IS A UNIT AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WELL, IT'S GONNA BE A SMALL STUDIO APARTMENT.
UM, AND THE REASON THAT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT WAY IS, IS, YOU KNOW, EVEN, EVEN TO GET INTO AN APARTMENT HERE IN SEDONA AND
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PAY RENT, IT'S, IT'S A LOT.YOU KNOW, I MEAN ANY, ANYWHERE IN THE VERDE VALLEY IT IS.
SO OUR PHILOSOPHY IS IF WE CAN PROVIDE UP TO SIX MONTHS RENT FREE FOR ANY EMPLOYEES THAT COME IN, THAT GIVES THEM THE ABILITY THEN TO SAVE UP TO EITHER SECURE HOUSING ELSEWHERE AS A RENTAL OR BUY A HOME, UM, WE THINK THAT GOES A LOT FARTHER THAN JUST PROVIDING WORKFORCE HOUSING THAT SOMEBODY PAYS RENT ON.
UM, IT REALLY HELPS SOMEBODY GET A LEG UP AND BE ABLE TO SECURE HOUSING WHEREVER THEY CAN FIND IT.
CAN I ADD, ADD TO THAT ONE? THERE WAS SOME REFERENCE, I WASN'T SURE WHAT TEMPORARY MEANT EITHER, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
UM, THERE WAS SOME REFERENCE IN THERE ABOUT A POTENTIAL FOR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO SPEAK TO THAT.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING OR YOU'RE OPEN TO AT A LATER STAGE? YEAH, STEVEN ANSWERED THIS.
THIS IS STEVEN POLK, 1 25 NORTH GRANITE STREET, PRESCOTT, ARIZONA.
UH, WE COULD FLIP BACK A COUPLE SLIDES TO THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UH, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE CURRENT ONE, BUT FOR FUTURE, UH, UH, UH, A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, I BELIEVE IS AT THE BACK OF THE PACKET.
WE DON'T HAVE A SIGNED ONE TODAY.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IN NEGOTIATIONS.
UH, I, I BELIEVE AM HOPEFUL AND, AND BELIEVE IT'S ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA FOR THIS NEXT WEEK ACTUALLY FOR REVIEW AND POSSIBLE APPROVAL.
I DON'T THINK IT SPEAKS TO THE EMPLOYEE HOUSING ISSUE.
IS THAT CORRECT? OH, SO ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT STAFF HAD HAD WAS TO CLARIFY FOR THE EMPLOYEE HOUSING WHAT WOULD BE MANAGED BY THE HOTEL VERSUS WHAT WOULD BE A COMMITMENT THAT THE CITY COULD ENFORCE.
AND SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR THINGS OBVIOUSLY LIKE THEM NOT BECOMING MORE LODGING UNITS, BUT ACTUAL OPERATION OF THEM WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER THEY DECIDE TO CHARGE RENT OR NOT CHARGE RENT OR SET THOSE TERMS. UM, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER APPLICANT.
AND SO, JUST ONE OF OUR COMMENTS WAS THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE FLESHED OUT AS THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD.
SO WE WOULD SEE THAT ADDRESSED MORE CLEARLY IN THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, THIS IS STEVEN BOOKIN.
SORRY, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION CLEARLY.
I WAS CAUGHT NOT LISTENING THERE.
UM, THE, SO THAT EMPLOYEE HOUSING, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE STEVENSON FAMILY, THEY TRULY VALUE THEIR EMPLOYEES AND THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, UH, IF, IF, IF YOU SAW AT THE, UH, PREVIOUS HEARING IN FRONT OF COUNSEL THAT THE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT AND, AND UH, BASICALLY THE LOYALTY THAT THE EMPLOYEES HAVE IS SOMETHING THEY HIGHLY VALUE.
NOW IN TERMS OF COMMITTING TO EMPLOYEE RESTRICTED HOUSING, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE PROPOSED.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE LEGALLY REQUIRED HERE.
UH, SO I, I WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE THAT WE HAVE SOME SORT OF FORMAL COMMITMENT ON THAT.
SO THAT'LL JUST BE, UH, THROUGH THE, THIS APPROVAL PROCESS.
WHAT WE'LL HAVE IS A LIMITATION OF 36 UNITS THERE, UH, FOR HOTEL KEYS AND THEN THESE FOUR UNITS ON THE SIDE.
SO THAT WON'T BE PERMITTED TO BE USED FOR, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR LODGING UNITS.
SO THAT WILL BE EMPLOYEE HOUSING, BUT IT WON'T BE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, LEGALLY RESTRICTED FOR AN AMOUNT OF RENT OR ANY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IF IT HELPS AT ALL THESE, THESE ARE NOT ATRIUMS, THEY'RE NOT WORKFORCE HOUSING ATRIUMS, SO THERE'S NO WAY WE WOULD EVER PUT THEM INTO A RENTAL POOL.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY BUILT AS A WING IN, IN THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING ITSELF.
SO YEAH, IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS MODULAR HOUSING, CORRECT.
DO YOU HAVE A ROUGH SQUARE FOOTAGE PER UNIT? THERE WAS, THERE WERE SQUARE FOOTAGES FOR LIKE EVERY BUILDING.
AND THEN ON EMPLOYEE HOUSING THERE WAS, THEY'RE BETWEEN FIVE AND 600 SQUARE FEET.
EACH ONE OF THOSE, UH, STUDIO APARTMENTS MM-HMM
IT'S REALLY DESIGNED FOR TEMPORARY HOUSING TO TRY AND HELP, UH, AN EMPLOYEE, UH, HAVE SOME PLACE TO MOVE INTO AND, AND, AND BEGIN HIS WORK CAREER, SAVE HIS MONEY, AND THEN TRY AND FIND BETTER HOUSING, UM, AROUND THE AREA OR WHEREVER.
THAT'S AN, IT'S A NOVEL APPROACH TO IT.
I HAVE SOME REALLY POSITIVE THINGS.
I THINK YOUR EMPLOYEE HOUSING IS A GREAT EFFORT AND SPEAKS HIGHLY OF THE, YOUR COMPANY AND PROVIDING THAT.
AND I ALSO, WHEN I READ IT FIRST IN THE DESCRIPTION, I WAS READING IT AND IT SAID TEMPORARY HOUSING.
AND I TURNED TO MY WIFE AND SAID, I THINK THEY'RE PUTTING TENTS UP, UP FOR THE EMPLOYEES.
AND THEN I READ FURTHER AND REALIZED IT HAD THE SIX MONTHS STAY.
SO YOU MIGHT CHANGE THAT WORD.
IT BROUGHT UP A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONNOTATION.
I THINK THE, UH, ETHOS AS YOU USED IN YOUR WORDS, THE ETHOS OF THE SITE IS, IS VERY GOOD.
UH, THE CONNECTION TO THE LAND, SOME OF YOUR CONCEPT SKETCHES SHOWED ENGAGING THE ATRIUMS WITH ROCK FORMATIONS.
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UH, IT'S VERY NICE AS FAR AS HOW IT CONNECTS TO THE LAND.UM, AND I THINK THAT STANDS FOR ALSO THE, UH, RESTAURANT BUILDING AND THE ARRIVAL BUILDING, JUST THE SENSE OF LONG, HORIZONTAL, LOW BUILDINGS.
I THINK THE ETHOS AND DESIGN IS VERY APPROPRIATE TO THIS SITE.
UM, I'LL BE DINING AT THE RESTAURANT.
I THINK THAT'S JUST A GREAT LOCATION.
I ASSUME YOU'LL STILL BE AT THE BAR SERVING
UM, UH, AND, AND I THINK THE SHIELDING OF THE VALLEY PARKING OVER ON THE SOUTH PART OF THE SITE IS AN APPROPRIATE SPOT.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SPOT FOR MOST OF YOUR PARKING MM-HMM
UM, AND I, I THINK THAT WORKS WELL.
UH, WHICH BRINGS ME TO A QUESTION OF THE, UH, REQUIRED PARKING WAS 142 AND YOU'RE PROVIDING 256 AND OBVIOUSLY PARKING IMPACTS, GRADE RUNOFF, TREES, ET CETERA.
WHY SO MUCH? AS A, AS A RETIRED ARCHITECT, I NEVER HAD SOMEONE THAT WANTED TO PROVIDE MORE PARKING, SO I'M JUST REALLY CURIOUS.
WELL, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, UM, OUR CURRENT HOTEL LOCATION RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE ABOUT 103 EMPLOYEES.
UH, THE REASON WE HAVE SO MANY FOR 40 ATRIUMS IS THAT WE'RE VERY LUXURY.
SO WE HAVE A VERY BIG TOUCH, HIGH TOUCH FOR EACH ONE OF OUR GUESTS.
AND IN THE LUXURY MARKET, THAT'S KIND OF EXPECTED.
UM, OUR EMPLOYEE COUNT DOWN AT THE NEW PROPERTY IS PROBABLY GONNA BE AROUND 175.
SO WHEN YOU COUNT 175 EMPLOYEES COMING AT VARIOUS TIMES OF THE DAY, UM, TO COVER THAT 24 7 SHIFT, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR 36 ATRIUMS AS WELL AS SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING UP TO DINE AT THE RESTAURANT OR GO TO THE SPA, UH, WE DON'T WANNA DETRACT FROM ANY OF THE CITY'S PARKING IN UPTOWN.
SO UNDERSTAND, WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT ON OUR PROPERTY.
SO IT'S UNIQUE BUSINESS, UH, MODEL WITH THAT MM-HMM
UM, TALKING ABOUT THE 36 UNITS, UM, IS IT A FAD TO, OR A CURRENT MODEL TO MAKE SEPARATE UNITS FOR THESE THINGS? MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH SOMETIMES WHEN YOU GROUP UNITS, YOU CAN GIVE UP MORE GREEN, YOU CAN HAVE MORE GREEN SPACE BECAUSE YOU LOSE THE APPROXIMATE 20 FEET BETWEEN THEM.
HAVE YOU CONTEMPLATED OCCASIONALLY GROUPING THEM, UH, LETTING THE DESIGN STILL ACCOMMODATE PRIVACY AND ALL OF THAT SO THAT YOU LEAVE MORE SPACE BETWEEN THE UNITS? YOU KNOW, THE, THE WHOLE UH, LANDSCAPE HOTEL CONCEPT THAT JENNY AND I FIRST FOUND IN COLLEEN FOUND WITH, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, CURRENT HOTEL, WE, WE FOUND THOSE IN EUROPE.
UH, AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE IN SPAIN AND IN NOR IN, UH, NORWAY.
UH, AND THESE WERE INDIVIDUAL UNITS.
AND, AND BASICALLY WHAT YOU WERE DOING WHEN YOU WERE TAKING THE LANDSCAPE THAT WAS THERE AND TRYING TO PRESERVE EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE, EVERYTHING HAD TO COME.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU BUILT IT OVER HERE AND YOU KIND OF FLOATED IN AND YOU SET IT OFF.
YOU SET IT OFF THE, THE GROUND WITH STILTS.
ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY TRYING NOT TO EVEN TOUCH THE GROUND UNDERNEATH IT IF YOU CAN.
IT'S LIKE OUR UNITS RIGHT NOW, ALL THE RAINWATER THAT COMES ON THE ROOF GOES RIGHT DOWN THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE UNIT AND WATERS THE GROUND UNDERNEATH JUST LIKE IT DID BEFORE.
SO WE'VE NOT CHANGED ANY OF THE, THE WATERING SYSTEM.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO WATERING SYSTEMS. ONE THAT'S THE NATURAL WATERING SYSTEM, AND THEN ONE THAT WE PUT INTO WATER, THINGS THAT WE PLANT.
BUT THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF A LANDSCAPE HOTEL IS TO HAVE KIND OF AN INDIVIDUAL PLACE TO BE WITH YOUR OWN FOUR WALLS AROUND YOU.
YOU'RE NOT WALKING DOWN A LONG HALLWAY, WALKING IN A DOOR MM-HMM
AND JUST GET A WINDOW AT THE END OF IT.
BUT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THE SURROUNDING NATURE WITH YOU.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE FLOOR TO CEILING WINDOWS.
WE HAVE WRAPAROUND WINDOWS IN THE FRONT.
SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU ARE ASLEEP AT NIGHT AND YOU OPEN THAT CURTAIN UP, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE GRAND, UH, PRODUCTION RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU OF NATURE.
AND, UH, SO WE WANT TO, WE WANT THAT.
THAT'S ALL WHAT WE'RE AIMING AT IS THIS.
IT WAS JUST A QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, DENSITY AND PRESERVING LANDSCAPE.
UM, I, I, I WOULD APPRECIATE THE, I FIND CONCEPTUAL REVIEW IS SO BENEFICIAL WHEN ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND SOME OF THE BUILDINGS ARE SHOWN.
I WAS ON THE WEBSITE AND LOOKED AT THE PRESENTATION THAT BEST WESTERN DID, AND THEY INCLUDED YOUR DEVELOPMENT AND IT REALLY GIVES, I THINK, A COMMISSION A UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPACT OF ONE PROJECT ON ANOTHER PROJECT AND HOW THEY INTERACT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS SKETCH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE OLD POTTERY BARN THAT THIS ART CENTER'S GONNA REDO, UM, AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO I, I FOUND THAT VERY HELPFUL TO JUST, TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND YOU A LITTLE BIT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO REALLY DIGEST YOUR ENTIRE PROJECT.
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DO THAT NEXT TIME.I KNOW THAT WHEN WE HAD TALKED TO MR. MCGRAIN BEFORE, HE WAS IN REDESIGN OF HIS, OF HIS PROPERTY, SO WE CAN, WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE NEXT ONE.
TO MAKE IT EASIER, IT'S JUST DIGITAL MAGIC.
UM, UH, THE PUMP HOUSE WAS A VERY INTERESTING BUILDING.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S STUCK OVER IN THE CORNER.
IT'S JUST A COMMENT OF ABOUT IF A HISTORIC BUILDING, IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE SOMETHING OF A HISTORIC BUILDING, IT NEEDS TO BE CELEBRATED A LITTLE BIT TO ME AND MM-HMM
COULD BE A DUMPSTER PAD, THE WAY IT'S DRAWN.
SO I JUST, JUST, UH, SOMETHING THAT, AND MY LAST, UH, MY LAST COMMENT AND, AND FIRST OF ALL, I, I, AGAIN, I, I THINK THIS PROJECT IS GREAT AND, UM, I ONLY WISH I COULD AFFORD TO STAY THERE,
UM, BUT, UH, MY LAST ONE IS VEHICLE CIRCULATION.
UM, SEEMS TO ME VERY CIRCUITOUS.
UM, AND I, I WONDER IF YOU COULD MAKE IT BETTER.
UM, YOU COME OFF OWENS B AND YOU TAKE A HARD, I GUESS I'D HAVE TO DO ALMOST A 180.
I GO DOWN ALONG A ROAD THAT'S GOT A BIG RETAINING WALL, IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE LEFT.
I'M LOOKING AT THE BACK OF THE SPA AND ALL THEIR PARKING AND STUFF, BUT I'M COMING TO A REALLY HIGH END PLACE.
YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA SPEND $2,000 A NIGHT TO STAY THERE.
THEN I COME TO, I HEAD RIGHT TOWARDS THE POTTERY BARN AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE BACK OF THE POTTERY BARN IS, LOOKS LIKE.
BUT I'M NOT EXCITED YET ABOUT MY CHOICE HERE.
I HIT A ROUNDABOUT AND I SEE A ROAD THAT GOES DOWN TO A WHOLE NOTHER DEVELOPMENT AND I'M LIKE, IS THAT WHERE I'M GOING? MM-HMM
I NEED TO TURN LEFT AND I NEED TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD AND THEN I'LL SEE THE BUILDING OFF TO THE RIGHT.
I WALK THAT WHOLE AREA AFTER OUR MEETING TODAY AND WAS WONDERING, I'M GONNA PAINT A PICTURE.
YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
YOU COME OFF THE ROUNDABOUT MORE 90 DEGREES AND YOU FLOW ALONG THE GREEN, UH, EMERGENCY VEHICLE ALONG THOSE ATRIUMS. YOU HAVE A RETAINING WALL ON YOUR LEFT STILL, BUT, BUT IT SHIELDS THE VIEW OF THE PARKING LOT FROM YOUR UNITS.
YOU PLANT WONDERFUL ITALIAN CYPRESS TREES ALONG THERE, MAYBE EVEN THE ELEVATED WALKWAY SITS ON TOP OF THE WALL OR IS FOLLOWING DOWN THERE.
GETS ME TO THE ARRIVAL BUILDING MUCH BETTER.
I DON'T EVEN GET TO LOOK AT THE ART CENTER BUILDING, ALL OF THAT UPPER AREA.
THEN JUST BECOMES PARKING TUCKED UP TIGHT AS YOU CAN GET IT.
I COME ALONG THAT WAY AND I ARRIVE AT THE ARRIVAL BUILDING.
I SEE THE ARRIVAL BUILDING FROM THE ROUNDABOUT AND IT ENGAGES ME AND IT TAKES OUT ALL YOUR OTHER PEOPLE.
AND THEN I PARK, I, YOU TAKE MY CAR, MAYBE YOU DON'T EVEN NEED, UM, THAT BECOMES YOUR EMERGENCY PATH.
YOU DON'T EVEN NEED THE LAND THAT YOU OWN.
'CAUSE THE EASEMENT IS ONLY FOR THE OTHER PEOPLE TO GET TO THE ROUNDABOUT.
YOU ADD POTTERY BARN ROAD TO YOUR PARKING AREA BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT NOW A ACCESS WAY FROM O AND B.
IT JUST SEEMS TO ME TO MAKE IT SO MUCH BETTER FOR YOU AND CLEANS UP A MESSY CIRCULATION ROUTE THAT JUST, AND THEN THE WALKWAY HAS TO KIND OF FOLLOW THAT MESS.
AND TO ME, IF YOU REALLY, WHAT WHAT'S BEAUTIFUL ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE NOW AT RED ROCKS, YOU PULL IN, YOU'RE THERE, YOU ARRIVE AT THE ARRIVAL BUILDING.
THERE'S NO QUESTION WHICH WAY I GO AND WHAT HAPPENS.
SO THAT'S MY RETIRED ARCHITECT.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY DRAWINGS WE HAVE OF THAT.
I SHOULD BRING THEM IN AND SHOW YOU.
I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED THINGS LEFT AND RIGHT.
BUT WE'RE REALLY OPEN FOR IDEAS.
SO ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN GIVE US, IT JUST SEEMS, IT JUST SEEMS VERY ROUNDABOUT THIS WAY THAT WAY.
AND PEOPLE IN CARS GET CONFUSED AND I BET YOU YOU'D HAVE CUSTOMERS HEADED DOWN INTO THE BEST WESTERN AND CHECKING IN
UM, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS, BUT, BUT IT IS A VERY GREAT PROJECT.
I'D LIKE TO STOP A MINUTE AND ASK OUR TWO VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS, LEVIN AND WHEEL, IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR IF THEY'RE STILL THERE.
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WANTED, UH, MOST OF ALL TO HEAR ABOUT, UH, THAT EMPLOYEE HOUSING, UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS GONNA OPERATE.THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER WHEEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? HI.
YEAH, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION CLARIFICATION REGARDING THE CANOPY WALK.
UM, IS THE INTENT THAT THIS IS A CANOPY WALK OR THAT IT IS TO PROVIDE ACTUAL CREEK ACCESS FOR THE PUBLIC? UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE CANOPY WALK OR AROUND, I GUESS THAT'S THE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THAT DOESN'T GET DOWN TO THE CREEK AT ALL.
AND I'M CONFUSED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THE INTENTION BEHIND PROPOSING THE SPIDER AREA IF THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.
SO I GUESS I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT'S BEING PRESENTED, IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S EVEN FEASIBLE AT THIS POINT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SAYS THAT THERE'S AN OBLIGATION TO CONSTRUCT THIS CANOPY WALK.
AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE'RE MIND READING FROM THE TERM CREEK WALK TO CANOPY WALK AND SOMEHOW ALL THAT HAS TO BE DONE IS THAT UPPER PORTION THAT SATISFIES THAT REQUIREMENT.
I THOUGHT THE INITIAL INTENT WAS TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE CREEK FOR THE PUBLIC.
UH, UH, AND SO THE FIRST THING I WANNA MAKE CLEAR IS, IS THE INTENT IS NOT TO PROVIDE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE CREEK.
'CAUSE WE WANNA BE TAKE SPECIFIC CARE TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE CREEK.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IT ACTUALLY, UH, REQUIRES WE, WE GET TO THE NATIONAL FOREST BOUNDARY, BUT IT REQUIRES A, A, A, A CONTINUATION OF EITHER AN ELEVATED CANOPY WALK OR A FENCED PATHWAY OFF OF THAT SPECIFICALLY SO THAT THERE'S NO, UH, KIND OF, SO IT DOESN'T BECOME A PARTY SCENE DOWN THERE OR SOMETHING WHERE, WHERE PEOPLE ARE RECREATING IN THE CREEK WITH A ADJACENT TO THIS RESORT.
UM, SO THE SECOND ONE IS, IS ON THE CANOPY WALK VERSUS CREEK WALK.
AND, AND THAT HAS GONE THROUGH SEVERAL, UH, ITERATIONS IN THE, IN THE BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CITY.
SO THOSE TWO TERMS, YOU KNOW, CANOPY WALK, MEANING ELEVATED.
AND SO AT, AT THIS POINT WITH THE NEEDING TO GET A REZONING TO DO A, A PRIVATE CANOPY WALK IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONED AREA EAST OF OAK CREEK, UH, I'D ANTICIPATE WHEN WE COME BACK THAT'S REMOVED AND, AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY SORT OF, UH, CONSTRUCTION OR DEVELOPMENT AT ALL EAST OF OAK CREEK.
UH, SO THEN THAT, THAT LEAVES JUST THIS PUBLIC ACCESS CREEK WALK, UH, WHICH, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE ELEVATED.
I THINK THE INTENT IS IF, IF IT, UH, IF IT PENCILS OUT AND MAKES SENSE, THEY ABSOLUTELY WANT TO ELEVATE IT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S THIS BEAUTIFUL, INCREDIBLE FEATURE AND ALSO KEEPS FOLKS ELEVATED TO EXPERIENCE IT WITHOUT, UH, PROVIDING PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE CREEK.
UH, UH, BUT, UH, BUT THERE'S NO OBLIGATION WITHIN THE DRAFT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ELEVATE ANY PORTION OF IT.
THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'LL BE WORKED OUT AS WE GO ALONG.
I MEAN, CANOPY WALKS CAN BE FABULOUS AS LONG AS THEY'RE ORGANICALLY DESIGNED, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY'RE NOT PUT IN, IN A, IN A WAY THAT'S SEAMLESS WITH THE ENVIRONMENT, WITH CURVES, AND THEY CAN BE A REAL STARK CONTRAST TO YOUR SURROUNDINGS.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE SUSTAINABILITY AND HOW IT, YOU KNOW, PRESERVES THE ECOSYSTEM AND THEY REALLY CAN BE QUITE MAGNIFICENT AND BEAUTIFUL, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE DONE WELL SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A STARK CONTRAST.
SO I GUESS I'M JUST KIND OF WONDERING WHAT THAT ONE ALL, YOU KNOW, SHOWN AT THE TOP OF THIS DIAGRAM IS REALLY GONNA LOOK LIKE IN PRACTICALITY.
SO, YEAH, I, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I'D SAY THAT THE, THE BEAUTY AND, AND THE DESIGN OF THE, THE WHOLE PROJECT IS, IS PARAMOUNT HERE.
AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WITH THE EX EXPERIENCE IN HOSPITALITY THAT THE STEVENSON FAMILY BRINGS IN TERMS OF DEVELOPING AMBI, BEYONCE, RED ROCKS IN TERMS OF, I, I DIDN'T MENTION THIS EARLIER, BUT THEY'RE THE DEVELOPER AND OWNER OF THE MARIPOSA BUILDING AS WELL.
UM, SO THEY REALLY HAVE A, A REAL SENSE FOR WHAT, WHAT A GREAT FEEL IS AND BEAUTIFUL ARCHITECTURE.
AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M THAT CANOPY WALK SLIDE THAT I PULLED OFF THE INTERNET AND PLUGGED UP THERE.
THAT'S, UH, WASN'T PARTICULARLY BEAUTIFUL, BUT THAT'S, I I COULD ASSURE YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR BUILDING WHAT'LL BE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MOST INCREDIBLE LANDSCAPE RESORT THAT YOU COULD IMAGINE AND, AND THAT THEY'D TAKE GREAT CARE THAT THE CANOPY WALK FITS WITHIN THAT.
IS I ASSUME THAT THERE WOULD, WOULD, WOULD NEVER BE AN INTENT TO CHARGE FOR ACCESS TO THAT? NO.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S COVERED IN THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO THAT, THAT'D BE A BINDING OBLIGATION.
THAT'D BE PUBLIC ACCESS, FREE OF CHARGE, UH, AT, AT THE MOMENT WHEN IT'S GONNA END ON OUR PROPERTY LINE.
AND SO THAT WOULD, FOR THE TIME BEING, THAT WOULD JUST BE A, LIKE A VIEWING PLATFORM FOR THE PUBLIC, AND THEN THEY'D HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND, AND, AND WALK BACK OUT.
UH, IT'LL BE ON THE CITY TO EITHER CONTINUE IT, UH, DOWNSTREAM AS A CREEK WALK.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY'S LONG TERM GOALS, WHICH I
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THINK IS A BEAUTIFUL ONE FOR THE CITY, WOULD BE TO GET A CREEK WALK TO TAKE YOU ALL THE WAY FROM HERE DOWN TO, UH, UH, THE LACK OF HOCKEY.UM, OR, OR THE, PROBABLY THE EASIER AND, AND MORE ACHIEVABLE, YOU KNOW, SOONER TERM GOAL IS, IS GET NATIONAL FOREST APPROVAL TO CONNECT THE TRAIL OVER TO THE HUCKABEE TRAIL SYSTEM.
UH, AND THEN FROM THERE YOU CAN, YOU CAN EITHER HIKE, TAKE THAT SOUTH OR, UH, YOU KNOW, HIKE, HIKE NORTH ALONG OAK CREEK AND GET TO GRASSHOPPER POINT.
IT'S, I'VE, I'VE HIKED THAT AS, AS PART OF EXPLORING THIS.
AND I'M GONNA ESTIMATE IT'S ONLY GONNA TAKE YOU 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR, UH, TO BE ABLE TO HIKE FROM, FROM THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY OVER TO, TO GRASSHOPPER POINT, WHICH WOULD BE TRANSFORMATIONAL, I THINK, IN TERMS OF ACCESSIBILITY TO, TO THE GREATEST TREASURE THAT SEDONA HAS.
AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, CANOPY WALKS ARE ALSO A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR EDUCATION.
SO IT LOOKED LIKE FROM THE PACKAGE, I ASSUME THAT THERE'S GONNA BE AN INTENTION TO HAVE SOME EDUCATIONAL SIGNS AND PLAQUES ALONG THE WALK, EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE FAUNA AND THE FLORA AND THE PUMP HOUSE AND ALL OF THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I READ THIS WRONG IN THE DOCUMENTATION OR NOT, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE THAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WERE AROUND ONE 40, BUT IT'S PLANNING, THE PROJECT'S PLANNING ON PROVIDING 250, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU GUYS ARE PROVIDING AN, YOU KNOW, SO MUCH ADDITIONAL PARKING? YES, I, I ADDRESSED THAT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.
UM, WE, WE HAVE ABOUT 103 EMPLOYEES AT OUR CURRENT HOTEL LOCATION BECAUSE WE'RE HIGH LUXURY AND HIGH TOUCH.
UM, WE ARE PLANNING ON HAVING ABOUT 175 EMPLOYEES TO COVER 24, UH, HOURS A DAY AND SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AT THE CREEKSIDE LOCATION.
UM, SO WE, WE DO NOT WANNA TAKE AWAY FROM ANY OF THE CITY PARKING LOTS UP IN UPTOWN OR THE PARKING GARAGE.
WE WANNA BE ABLE TO HOUSE OR, OR PARK OUR OWN, UM, EMPLOYEES THERE.
ALONG WITH THAT, WE HAVE THE 36 ATRIUMS AND THEN ANY OTHER PARKING FOR OUTSIDE GUESTS WHO COME TO THE RESTAURANT OR THE SPA.
SO WE'D LIKE TO KEEP EVERYTHING ON SITE.
I APOLOGIZE IF THAT'S REPETITIVE.
SOMETIMES THE CONNECTION GOES OUT.
SO THERE ARE PARTS THAT I MISSED.
NONE OF THE PARKING WOULD EVER BE SORT OF OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR PAY FOR PAID PARKING.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR IT.
UM, WELL, DO YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS? I, I REALLY, THE, ALL MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.
UM, HOWEVER, I DO, UH, I DO HOPE THAT WHEN IT COMES BACK THAT THE, THE WALKWAY WILL BE ELEVATED.
I HOPE YOU CAN AFFORD TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A REAL PLUS IF YOU DO, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED YET, SO I'M GONNA START ALL THE WAY BACK.
UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, ALTHOUGH THAT'S NOT A SUBJECT TO OUR REVIEW TONIGHT, BUT IT WAS PROVIDED AS INFOR INFORMATION.
UM, AND I NOTED, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, YOU DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY YET.
DO YOU EXPECT TO OWN IT BY SEPTEMBER 29TH? THAT'LL BE THE DAY.
THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE THE, THE DAY.
UM, OTHERWISE THE TERMINA, THERE'S A TERMINATION CLAUSE.
SO, AND BUILDING PERMITS BY DECEMBER 31ST IS VERY AMBITIOUS.
WE'D LIKE TO GET IT DONE, SO, OKAY.
UM, ALREADY ASKED ABOUT THE INTEREST IN REZONING TO ACCOMMODATE THE SPIDER, BUT THERE'S NOT AN INTEREST IN THAT, SO, OKAY.
UM, I ACTUALLY WAS SOMEWHAT CONFUSED WITH CHANGES IN NAMES OF BUILDINGS.
IN SOME PLACES YOU HAD AN ORIE, THEN YOU HAD A GREENHOUSE AND YOU HAD A SOLARIUM.
I'M THINKING THEY'RE THE SAME THING.
UM, DUTCHMAN'S QUARTERS, I REALLY WASN'T SURE WHAT THAT WAS, THEN I DECIDED IT WAS THE RESTAURANT.
THEN I SAW LATER SOMEWHERE, WHICH WAS 8,500 SQUARE FEET.
THEN I SAW SOMEWHERE ELSE LATER IN THE DOCUMENT, A RESTAURANT AT 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS THAT.
UM, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A FITNESS CENTER AND A SPA FITNESS CENTER WOULD BE FOR GUEST ONLY PRESUME? YES.
SPA WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
AND THE FITNESS CENTER IS ONLY ABOUT A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
I REALLY, UM, THINK IN YOUR NEXT ITERATION, SOME MORE LABELING, SOME CONSISTENT LABELING MM-HMM
AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGES OF ALL THOSE BUILDINGS.
I COULDN'T TELL, FOR EXAMPLE, THE RESTAURANT, HOW MANY THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE.
I MEAN, 80 515,000 IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
WHICH ONE IS IT? SO, I, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS THAT THE ORANGERY IS ON TOP, OR THE, THE GLASS BUILDING THAT'S ON
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TOP.SO THAT'S ONE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON TOP OF THE RESTAURANT ITSELF.
UM, THE RESTAURANT ITSELF IS HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THERE? REMEMBER? I THINK IT'S ABOUT 9,000.
WAS IT 9,000? IT'S, DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT 9,000 SQUARE FEET? WE'LL HAVE HIM COME UP.
IT'S GROWING OR AN ORGANIC, AT THE TIME WE SUBMITTED IT, IT WAS STILL BEING FORMED AND IT'S FORMED CONSIDERABLY SINCE YOU RECEIVED THIS.
AND WE ALL FEEL IN A REAL INCREDIBLE WAY.
SO SOME OF THESE FOOTAGES AND NAMES ARE FLUID.
THEY WON'T BE, UH, THE RESTAURANT LEVEL.
KITCHEN AND DINING IS ABOUT 8,000 OR SO.
AND THEN THERE IS A GROTTO BELOW THAT'S AROUND 5,000.
AND THEN THERE'S AN UPPER LEVEL THAT MAKES UP THE REST OF THE FOOTAGE TO AROUND 15,000.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT ARTICULATED.
SO GROTTO IS DINING ALSO, I THOUGHT MAYBE IT'S POOL AREA.
I WASN'T REALLY SURE WHAT GROTTO IS.
THE POOL, IT'S A POOL ELEMENT.
THERE'S POOL, RESTROOMS, LOCKER ROOMS, UH, A, UM, A GRILL THERE.
UH, THE FITNESS CENTER IS THERE.
SO FOR THE DUTCHMAN'S QUARTERS RESTAURANT, UH, WHAT'S THE CAPACITY? HOW DO YOU TRANSLATE THAT INTO HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN DINE THERE AT A TIME? YEAH.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S BEEN MOVING AROUND.
THERE'S A BAR THAT IS KIND OF A SEMI-OPEN SPACE TO THAT WITH INDOOR AND OUTDOOR SEATING DINING.
UH, BUT ALL IN ALL, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT, I WOULD GUESS 150, 130 TO 150 AT A SETTING.
AND THEN THERE MAY BE A TRANSITION THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
I DOUBT IF IT'LL EVER BE FULL UNTIL DINNER, BUT MM-HMM
THE RESTAURANT BASICALLY IS GONNA BE ABOUT THE SIZE OF MARIPOSA, MAYBE A LITTLE SMALLER.
THERE'LL BE AN OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS OF THIS AS PART OF THE NEXT SUBMITTAL WHERE WE GO INTO DEPTH WHERE FOOTAGE, UM, USE PARKING REQUIREMENT AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE, WHAT SEEMS LIKE AN OVER PARKING AMOUNT.
AND BY THE WAY, THAT'S COME DOWN SOMEWHAT IN THE INTEREST OF CONSERVATION, BUT, UM, IT'S GONNA BE THIS OPERATIONAL, UH, STATEMENT THAT WE'RE MAKING ON THIS IS GONNA DEFINE REALLY HOW IT WORKS, HOW MANY PEOPLE COME AND GO, HOW MANY CARS.
I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE CONSIDERED IT FOR, UM, BTE ALREADY, UM, SOME SORT OF BUSING MM-HMM
SO WE HAVE A ARRANGE A SHUTTLE SERVICE NOW, UM, OUR, OUR VALET TEAM WILL TAKE ANYBODY WITHIN A TWO TO THREE MILE RADIUS TO ANYWHERE THEY WANNA GO.
IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD THAT MANY PARKING SPACES JUST FOR STAFF, THERE MIGHT BE AN EASIER WAY TO GET AT LEAST SOME OF 'EM THERE TO WORK AND BACK.
ANYWAY, UM, SO THAT BRINGS ME TO THE, UM, A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE TO DO WITH PARKING AND TRANSPORTATION AND, AND, UM, TRAFFIC.
AND AT THE NEXT ITERATION THAT WE WOULD SEE THERE WOULD BE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY DONE AT THAT PART, AT THAT POINT.
UM, I'M CURIOUS WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
UM, IT'S, IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WANTED TO DO THIS PHASED.
NORMALLY WE SEE THINGS, THEY SAY, OH, THEY'RE GONNA, IT'S ALL GONNA BE DONE IN ONE PHASE.
YOU OUTLINED SIX PHASES, AND I WASN'T REALLY SURE WHAT THAT MEANT.
IS THAT SIX PERMITS? IS THAT SIX? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I THINK THE PHASING THAT THEY HAVE IS MORE OF AN ORDER OF CONSTRUCTION.
I BELIEVE THAT THEIR INTENTION IS TO DO EVERYTHING BEFORE THEY OPEN.
WE, WE CAN'T REALLY OPEN AND HAVE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, SO WELL, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
BUT IT, IT IS A MATTER OF, UH, TIMING FOR ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN AND ALL THIS STUFF.
AND THEN BUILDING, UH, THE RESTAURANT'S THE MOST COMPLICATED BUILDING.
SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY GET STARTED PRETTY FAIRLY EARLY MM-HMM
AND IT'LL TAKE QUITE A WHILE TO BUILD THAT BUILDING WHILE WE'RE BRINGING ON, ON STREAM OTHER BUILDINGS TOO.
AND PER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE CAN OF PEOPLE WALK IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE, IT WILL BE NOT LATER THAN YEP.
UM, I KNOW THIS IS A VERY NEBULOUS CONCEPT, BUT WE DO HAVE SEVERAL THINGS GOING ON IN IN THAT AREA.
THE ARRO ROBLES RESUBMITTAL, THIS, UM, SOMEDAY WE'RE GONNA GET BACK TO A CFA FOR UPTOWN, I GUESS
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THIS OVERLAPPING? I I I'M JUST IMAGINING CONSTRUCTION WITH TWO THINGS, TWO BIG CONSTRUCTIONS GOING ON AT ONCE.DO YOU SEE THAT ACTUALLY AS A POSSIBILITY OR THE, HOW'S THE TIMING GONNA WORK ON THIS? SO WE DON'T KNOW THE TIMING ON ANYTHING REALLY.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF HOW THEY WANT TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, IF THEY END UP BUILDING AT THE SAME TIME THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO CONTAIN ALL OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES TO THEIR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.
SO IT WOULD, I FEEL SORRY FOR S BUT OKAY.
UM, IS THE GREENHOUSE, ARE YOU GROWING FOOD THERE? MM-HMM
WHAT, WHAT'S THE NO, THIS IS, THIS IS MORE OF A, AN EXTRA SPACE FOR US TO USE.
SO WE, WE DO CORPORATE BUYOUTS AT, FROM TIME TO TIME.
WE HAVE CORPORATIONS COME IN THAT WANNA BUY THE ENTIRE PROPERTY OUT SO THAT THEY CAN DO AN, LIKE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO RIGHT NOW, AT THE CURRENT AMBIENTE, OUR MEETING SPACE IS ABOUT 700 SQUARE FEET.
MAYBE IT'S JUST HONESTLY TOO SMALL.
SO FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE OUTSIDE OF THE RESTAURANT SETTING, WHERE WE CAN HOST THEIR MEETINGS, UM, IF THEY'RE GONNA DO A BUYOUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT JUST MAKES MORE SENSE FOR US.
AND IT OPENS, OPENS THAT ABILITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE GET, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHO WE'RE ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT.
ARE WE ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CORPORATE EVENTS TOO? WEDDINGS? YEAH.
WE, WE DO ONCE IN A WHILE, DO MICRO WEDDINGS FOR A GUEST THAT'S STAYING AT THE HOTEL.
AND I'M TALKING, YOU KNOW, 18 TO 20 PEOPLE.
UM, BUT THEY DON'T WANNA BE IN INSIDE A RESTAURANT WITH THE OTHER GUESTS.
AND IT'S, IT INTERRUPTS THE OTHER GUESTS STAY AS WELL.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT THAT'S USED FOR AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PUTTING THAT IN FOR.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S A MISNOMER.
MAYBE PICK ONE OF THESE OTHER NAMES THAT YOU HAD.
AND YOU'RE USING KIND OF GOING JAPANESE WITH THE, UH,
SO, UM, I KNOW WE'VE HAD THIS QUESTION BEFORE AND HANUKKAH IS NOT HERE.
ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN AND THE FLOODWAY AND WHO GOVERNS IT.
AND EVERYBODY AND THEIR BROTHER TOUCHES IT.
FEMA TOUCHES IT, THE COUNTY TOUCHES IT, THE CITY TOUCHES IT.
ARE WE GONNA HAVE PROBLEMS? I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CORRECTLY ANSWER.
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS? WELL, UM, WHAT I WILL TELL YOU FOR THIS SITE IS IT APPEARS, AS FOR NOW, UM, ALL OF THE ATRIUMS ARE, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE CLOSE TO THE FLOODWAY, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY IN THE FLOODWAY.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING IS ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN OR IN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN, WHICH I BELIEVE THE SOUTHERN, UM, ATRIUMS ARE, THEY'LL HAVE TO BE LIFTED ON STILTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ONE FOOT ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN ELEVATION.
BUT I, I LIKE THAT ALL THE STRUCTURES AND PARKING IS OUT OF THE FLOODWAY,
WELL TAKE THAT AS A, NOT A PROBLEM.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF THE RESTAURANT, THE SPA, THE FITNESS CENTER, ALL THOSE, IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THOSE IN THE NEXT ITERATION, THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN, AND I WAS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH INFORMATION THERE, UM, ABOUT THE BFE, THE RFE, THE FFE, YOU KNOW, THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION, THE REGULATORY FLOOD ELEVATION, THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION.
AND SOME OF 'EM WERE ONE FOOT, IT'S ONE FOOT DIFFERENT.
ONE FOOT BETWEEN THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION AND THE FINISHED FLOOR.
THAT IS THE REQUIRED, UM, THAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FROM FEMA AND THE CITY, WHICH IS TO, IF YOU ARE IN A FLOOD HAZARD, YOUR FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION HAS TO BE AT LEAST 12 INCHES ABOVE THAT BASE FLOOD ELEVATION.
SO YOU CAN GO HIGHER, BUT YOU CAN'T GO LOWER.
I THINK THEY'RE GONNA GO, YOU THINK THEY'LL GO HIGHER? YES.
BUT HAVE THESE POINTS ALL BEEN ADDRESSED? YES, WE'VE MET, WE'VE MET WITH 'EM SEVERAL TIMES AND I KNOW THEY'RE GOING OVER THE DRAWINGS, UH, AS WE SPEAK.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD, UH, KURT DOWN AT THE SITE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW MANY FIRE HYDRANTS ARE GONNA GO IN AND ACCESS FOR THE FIRE TRUCKS.
AND ALL OF THAT WILL BE WORKED OUT.
VERY IMPORTANT FOR US FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES THAT
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WE, WE, UH, REALLY MAKE THIS, UH, A VERY FIRE SAFE.EVERYTHING ON THE EXTERIOR IS GONNA BE, UH, CLASS A FINISHES.
UM, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL OF THAT WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION INCLUDING, UH, YOU KNOW, MANICURING THE GROUNDS, UH, NOT ONLY ON THE BUILDING SIDE OF THE CREEK, BUT ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK TOO.
UM, I, YEAH, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE AN INTERESTING MIX OF REFINED AESTHETIC AND THE NATURAL IT IS.
EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE ONE AT A TIME.
YOU JUST CAN'T GO IN THERE AND, YOU KNOW, UM, BACK TO THE CANOPY WALK, LET'S, YOU KNOW, BEAT THAT HORSE SOME MORE.
UH, IS IT GONNA BE A DA ACCESSIBLE WHEREVER WE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S SOME DIFFICULTIES WITH THE SITE ITSELF.
THERE'S A, IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL DROP DROP FROM 89 A DOWN TO THE CREEK MM-HMM
AND THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL DROP FROM ONE END OF THE PROPERTY TO THE OTHER.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE LOOKED AT.
I THINK EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY MAKE THAT WAY WE WILL.
UH, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO FOLLOW THE, THE NATURAL, UH, TOPOGRAPHY ITSELF.
AND IT MAY FALL OUT ON THOSE KINDS OF AREAS.
BUT HANUKAH HASS BEEN REALLY GREAT WORKING WITH US ON THAT.
AND SHE'LL BE INVOLVED IN THAT ALL THE WAY.
AND IF THERE'S A CITY, UH, FINANCIAL COMPONENT TO IT, DOES THAT REQUIRE THAT IT BE AADA A COMPLIANT? I, IT'S A QUESTION.
SO, UM, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE A REQUIREMENT NECESSARILY 'CAUSE IT IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND PRIVATELY OWNED AND WE JUST HAVE A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT TO IT.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING I THINK, UM, WILL LOOK INTO AN EXPLORER.
UM, 'CAUSE I THINK COUNCIL WILL HAVE BE INTERESTED IN THAT AS WELL.
HO YOU SAID EARLIER THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS, WE PUT IT IN THE PACKET PURPOSELY FOR P AND Z TO COMMENT ON AS WELL, SO THAT WE CAN TAKE ANY CONCERNS OR ANY THOUGHTS YOU HAVE ON IT TO COUNCIL NEXT WEEK.
SO IF ANYONE HAD ANYTHING IN THERE, IT WAS PURPOSELY IN THERE FOR P AND Z TO WEIGH IN ON.
I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE LIABILITY, BECAUSE I CAN JUST IMAGINE IT BEING AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE AND SOMEBODY DECIDING TO TAKE A DIVE OFF OF IT OR SOMETHING.
AND I, I SAW SOME MUTUAL, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? INDEMNIFICATIONS.
INDEMNIFICATIONS AND A REFERENCE TO A STATUTE THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH, LIKE RECREATIONAL IMMUNITY STATUTE.
SOMEBODY WANTS TO KILL THEMSELF AND JUMP OFF THE CANOPY FROM THE CANOPY WALK ON, ON, ON DUTCHMAN COVE'S PROPERTY, THEN IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY CREEK WALK.
IF IT'S ON THE CITY PROPERTY, SOMEONE GETS INJURED, THEN IT'D BE THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY.
WE'RE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THEIRS RIGHT NOW.
UH, AND I KNOW ANYBODY CAN SUE FOR ANYTHING.
UM, ARE WE PURSUING WE, THAT WOULD BE THE ROYAL WE PURSUING LEAD CERTIFICATION ON THIS.
AND DID YOU FOR AMBI RED ROCKS? I DON'T THINK WE SPECIFICALLY WENT THAT WAY.
WE, WE TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WAS, WAS, UH, FINANCIALLY REASONABLE, I THINK.
SOME OF IT GETS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE.
SO OUR ARCHITECT WORKS WITH THAT, AND THEN WE TRY AND, AND LEAN THAT DIRECTION.
UH, BUT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET ANY CERTIFICATION.
HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY CERTIFICATIONS OF THAT SORT? UM, I, ON THE CURRENT PROJECT, YOUR EXISTING WE DID, IT'S ALMOST NO.
DO YOU WANNA COME OUT AND TALK? GO TO THE, YEAH.
I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER AT AMBIENT TO SEDONA.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON CERTIFICATIONS WITH THE LEADING HOTELS OF THE WORLD FOR PROBABLY LIKE SEVEN MONTHS NOW.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA SUBMIT ALL THE PAPERWORK IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS, BUT IT, IT'S BEEN MONTHS OF US.
AND IT'S A SUSTAINABILITY TYPE OF AN AWARD? EXACTLY.
I'M SURE COMMISSIONER, WHO'S IT FROM? WE'LL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT.
IT'S THROUGH LEADING HOTELS OF THE WORLD AND THERE'S LIKE FOUR DIFFERENT ONES THAT THEY USE.
AND I, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHICH.
I DON'T WANNA ANSWER INCORRECTLY.
UM, I THINK I HEARD THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MAYBE FROM COMMISSIONER LEVIN A SURVEY BY THE, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
HOW DO YOU SEE FEATURING IT OR, WELL, WE HAVE YOU SEE FEATURING IT, WELL, RIGHT AT THE OWENS B ROUNDABOUT, JUST BELOW THAT, UH, ON THE SIDE TOWARDS THE ARD BARN, THERE'S A SMALL SECTION OF THE DITCH STILL THERE.
THE TENANT ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S LIVED THERE
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FOR 27 YEARS USES THAT FROM TIME TO TIME FOR IRRIGATION.THE WATER HAS TO BE TURNED ON AT LO EE UP UP THE CREEK ALWAYS.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW WE CAN USE IT, BUT I'VE, UH, I KIND OF TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER OF THE ARRO ROBLE TWO.
WE'D LIKE TO TRY AND GET WATER BACK OVER TO THAT, THAT FAR ALSO.
BUT WE ANYMORE, I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN PUT THE WATER BACK INTO THE CREEK MM-HMM
SO I'M NOT SURE WHETHER WE WANT, UH, FILLED IT UP AND HAVE IT STAGNANT AND WE CAN'T DO THAT.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE END USE IS GONNA BE, BUT WE CAN ACKNOWLEDGE WHERE IT IS AND WHAT IT WAS.
AND THAT WOULD BE DONE AT THE, UH, AS PART OF THE CREEK WALK OR THE, UH, THE WALKWAY DOWN.
THAT'S PART OF THE SIGNAGE RIGHT THERE, WHERE WE WOULD IDENTIFY WHERE THE, WHERE THAT, UH, THAT DITCH USED TO BE, WHAT IT WAS USED FOR.
UH, THAT WAS ACTUALLY EVEN A BIG HUGE WATER WHEEL ON OUR PROPERTY AT ONE TIME.
WE'RE TRYING TO DIG UP AS MUCH HISTORY AS WE CAN AND TRY AND, UH, IDENTIFY EVERYTHING THAT'S AROUND THERE THAT'S HISTORIC THAT WE CAN KIND OF PUT AS, UH, EARMARKS.
SO WE'LL LOOK, WE CAN LOOK FOR THAT IN CORRECT.
AND THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE ALSO WITH THE JORDAN PUMP HOUSE.
THERE WOULD BE SIGNAGE AND, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT WOULD BE CLEANED UP AND THERE WOULD BE, UM, HISTORICAL FACTS ABOUT ALL OF THOSE ON THAT CREEK WALK ON THE WAY DOWN.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? EVENTUALLY WE'RE GONNA GONNA GET TO THE PUBLIC.
I HAVE, SHOULD I WAIT ON MY COMMENT? NO, WE'RE MIXING TOGETHER.
UM, I THINK THE LAST THING I WANNA SAY IS THE THINGS THAT I'M GONNA BE LOOKING FOR NEXT TIME WE SEE Y'ALL.
UM, SOMETHING THAT'S COMING TO MIND AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS IS THAT THE SECTION THAT THE, UM, SUSTAINABILITY, UH, TEAM GAVE YOU WAS REALLY HELPFUL.
BUT I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE GET THE LETTER FROM ARIZONA WATER AND THEY'LL SAY THERE'S PLENTY OF WATER.
UM, HOPEFULLY IF THEY DON'T THEN I'LL BE EXTRA WORRIED.
BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW RESOURCE WISE, LIKE WHAT, THIS IS A HIGH END THING AND IT TAKES A LOT OF RESOURCES TO RUN A SPA IN A GROTTO IN A POOL, IN A BIG RESTAURANT.
AND SO I'M GONNA BE CURIOUS ABOUT WATER USAGE.
I'D LOVE TO KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY TRUE, IF WE CAN'T DISCHARGE ALREADY RUNNING WATER INTO THE CREEK.
SO I'D LIKE SOME LIKE CLARITY, WHETHER THAT'S A DAQ OR WHOEVER, A DAQ.
AND A DEQ AND ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES.
UM, BECAUSE I, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I COULD SEE HOW THEY COULD SAY LIKE, SERVICE RUNOFF, DON'T PUT IT IN THE CREEK.
I, I COULD SEE BOTH WAYS, BUT I'D LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION FROM A BOARD BEING, BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO RUN.
I THINK YOU WOULD, EVERYONE WOULD LOVE FOR THE WATER TO RETURN THE CREEK IF POSSIBLE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UM, SO I, I'M GONNA WANT TO HEAR ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS.
I WANT TO WANNA HEAR ABOUT RESOURCE DEMAND, UM, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, UH, PEOPLE WANDERING INTO RIPERIAN AREAS AND KIND OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
I UNDERSTAND PARKING IN UPTOWN.
UM, YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY.
I'M SURE YOU WOULD LIKE TO NOT PAVE MORE THAN YOU HAVE TO.
UM, I THINK OUR PARKING CODE IS ALREADY PRETTY GENEROUS WITH NEEDS.
SO I WOULD, IT'S YOUR BUSINESS.
BUT I LOVE NOT PAVING SEDONA WHEN POSSIBLE.
WE'RE GONNA LOSE A LOT OF PARKING OFF OF THAT JUST BY MAIN MAINTAINING, KEEPING THE TREES WITHIN THE PARKING LOT, WHICH IS GREAT FOR HEAT ISLAND.
AND I HOPE TO HEAR ALL ABOUT THAT TOO.
UM, BUT YEAH, GENERALLY, GENERALLY WHEN WE CAN, UH, AVOID, BECAUSE ONCE SOMETHING'S A PARKING LOT, IT'S OFTEN A PARKING LOT FOREVER.
UM, AND I, FOR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COMMITMENT FOR IT EITHER BEING RAISED OR WHATEVER THE INTENT IS.
DECOMPOSED, GRANITE RAISED, WHATEVER.
I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT WORKED OUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IF THE, IF HE'S
UM, JUST SO WE KNOW WHEN IT COMES BACK TO US, WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND IT'S NOT A, WE'LL SEE WHEN WE GET TO COSTS ON WOOD, YOU KNOW.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE GONNA BE IMPORTANT FOR ME TO HEAR ABOUT.
I AM, I AM WORRIED ABOUT WATER BE THE WEATHER STATION AND FLAGSTAFF REPORTED THIS WEEK THAT WE HAVE OR HAVE THE LOWEST HUMIDITY LEVEL EVER RECORDED IN THEIR LEVEL OF WEATHER BALLOON.
SO IT'S JUST ON MY MIND THIS WEEK.
ANY, ANY LAST QUESTIONS FROM OUR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER LEVIN OR COMMISSIONER WHEEL BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC? WHO'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT? OKIE DOKIE.
WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC WHO'S BEEN VERY PATIENT.
UM, FIRST SPEAKER WAS MIRIAM ACKERLEY.
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AND IF YOU COULD GET THE, YEAH, THANK YOU.AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
AND IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE PLEASE.
MY NAME IS MIRIAM LEY, AND I OWN A HOME AT STEVE THOMPSON, DESIGNED ACROSS THE CREEK FROM LE BEARS.
AND WE'VE HAD IT FOR NOW ALMOST 40 YEARS.
UM, I AM COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY AGAINST A PUBLIC CREEK WALK.
UM, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE COMING ACROSS, EVEN WITHOUT A CREEK WALK AND PRIVATE HOTELS IS OBNOXIOUS.
THEY, AND, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING AND SAYING, WE WANT BEAUTIFUL VIEWS FOR OUR CLIENTS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT OUR VIEWS, IF WE HAVE TO LOOK AT A CANOPY OR A CREEK WALK, WHICH IS WHAT OUR VIEW IS, 'CAUSE WE LOOK WEST, IT'S UGLY AND IT'S BILLIONS.
YOU KNOW, WE GET 7 MILLION VISITORS A YEAR.
AND BELIEVE ME, YOU WOULDN'T WANT IT WALKING BY YOUR HOME.
AND I DON'T WANNA WALKING BY MY HOME.
AND STEVE, I'M SURE YOU WOULDN'T WANT IT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD EITHER, BECAUSE YOU ARE SUCH A BIG ADVOCATE OF PRESERVING IT AND MAKING IT BEAUTIFUL AND KEEPING THE TREES.
AND YOUR PROJECT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL.
BUT TO OPEN UP THE TREASURE OF THIS CITY TO 7 MILLION PEOPLE, AND YOU SAY THERE'S NO PARKING TO BEGIN WITH AND YOU WANT YOURS PRIVATE, AND YOU HAVE NO LIABILITY.
AND THE CITY IS SAYING, WE HAVE NO LIABILITY.
WHAT IF THAT WHOLE CANOPY COMES FLYING DOWN THE CREEK DURING A BAD FLOOD? AND IT WILL.
IT CAN CAUSE A DAM AND IT CAN CAUSE FLOODING IN OUR HOMES.
AND WHO'S LIABLE? WHO TAKES CARE OF THAT? WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS AND, AND THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT ON THAT CREEK IS CONSTANT.
AND YOU AND I, THE CITY OF SEDONA HAD A SURVEY THIS LAST YEAR.
75% OF THE RESIDENTS, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, DON'T WANT A CREEK WALK.
THEY DON'T WANT IT BECAUSE BELIEVE ME, THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, PROBABLY NOT THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA GO USE IT AND ENJOY IT VERY MUCH.
IT'LL BE ALL THE 7 MILLION PEOPLE THAT COME INTO THIS CITY THAT WILL USE IT, THAT'LL ABUSE IT, THAT WILL THROW CIGARETTES, TALK ABOUT INSURANCE.
WE CAN'T EVEN GET FIRE INSURANCE ON OUR HOUSES ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THE FIRE HAZARDS.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE OUT ON A, ON A WALK WITH A CIGARETTE.
WHERE DO YOU THINK THOSE ARE GONNA GO? POOF.
'CAUSE RIGHT UP THE HILL IS UPTOWN.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE SO IMPORTANT TO THIS CITY.
THEY MAKE THIS CITY AND TO MAKE IT MORE CROWDED AND THE TRAFFIC AND THE STREETS AND THE PEOPLE.
DO WE NEED TO ENTICE MORE? DO WE NOT HAVE ENOUGH VISITORS THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM OUR TREASURE AT THE CREEK WALK? I'M SO OPPOSED TO IT.
AND I BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT IT WILL BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST MISTAKES IF THIS CITY OR COUNCIL OR ZONING GOES FORWARD WITH IT FOR YOU ALSO.
UM, I LIVE IN SEDONA, IN SCOTTSDALE.
UM, AND MY CONCERNS ARE AROUND THE SAME THING.
UM, WE HAVE HAD COUNTLESS MEETINGS.
WE HAVE REACHED OUT EVERY WAY THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN TO EXPRESS HOW TERRIBLE THIS CREEK WALK WILL BE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'VE COME TOGETHER AS A WHOLE AND WE HAVE TRIED TO DISCUSS.
UM, AND, AND FOR YOU GUYS, I MEAN, I THINK YOUR HOTEL IS BEAUTIFUL.
UM, THE CREEK WALKS ON THE BACKSIDE BY YOUR PARKING LOT.
UM, AND ADDITIONALLY, IF YOU WERE TO DO THIS SPIDER THING ACROSS, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN, UM, BUT IF SOMEONE WERE TO DROP A CIGARETTE AND LIGHT THAT WHOLE THING ON FIRE, HOW DO THEY PUT IT OUT? AND IF THEY DON'T PUT IT OUT, THAT COMES STRAIGHT FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND BURNS DOWN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR HOMES.
UM, THE EVACUATION PLANS THAT THE CITY HAVE SHOWS IT'S GONNA TAKE HOURS TO GET OUT OF HERE.
UM, I MEAN, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, WHAT DO THEY EXPECT US TO JUMP IN THE WATER AND, AND HANG OUT WHILE WE WAIT TO GET SAVED? UM, AND ADDITIONALLY, I, I HAVE VIDEOS AND I WOULD LOVE TO SHARE THEM WITH ANYONE.
UM, WHEN THAT CREEK FLOODS, IT IS DANGEROUS.
UM, AND IT COMES OUT OF NOWHERE AND ALL IT NEEDS IS A GOOD SNOW AND FLAG STAFF AND A QUICK MELT AND THAT WATER COMES RUSHING.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING IN THE FLOODWAY, UM, WHICH I THINK THE WHOLE SPIDER WOULD BE IN THE FLOODWAY BASED ON YOUR GUYS' DRAWINGS, UM, IF ONE OF THOSE POSTS GOES DOWN AND THAT WHOLE THING COMES FLYING AT OUR HOUSE, UM, WE, WE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO?
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WHO IS RESPONSIBLE? AND ADDITIONALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TALK TO SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS.UH, THEY'VE HAD TO LITERALLY HAMMER OUT HOLES IN THEIR WALLS SO THE WHOLE HOUSE DOESN'T GET WASHED AWAY.
UM, AND SO I THINK THAT EVERYONE THINKS THAT THIS CREEK WALK IS THIS CALM LITTLE STREAM.
SEE IT WHEN IT FLOODS, SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT AREA.
WE CAN SHOW YOU MARKS ON TREES WHERE THE WATER GETS SO HIGH THAT YOU WON'T EVEN BELIEVE IT.
UM, LEBERT HAS LOST THEIR RESTAURANT MULTIPLE TIMES.
WE'VE HAD CHAIRS FROM AARA COME INTO OUR HOUSES.
UM, I'VE SEEN BEDS FLY DOWN THE CREEK.
THE AMOUNT THAT THE, THE WATER LEVEL CHANGES, I THINK IS BEYOND WHAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.
AND I REALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO LOOK INTO THAT MORE BEFORE THEY THINK THAT A CREEK WALK IS A SAFE, GOOD IDEA FOR SEDONA.
ANYBODY ELSE GOING TO SUBMIT A CARD? IF NOT, WE'LL CLOSE THAT.
ANYBODY? LAST WORDS, LAST THINGS YOU WANT TO SEE WHEN WE NEXT VIEW THIS PROJECT? I THINK EVERYTHING HAS BEEN COVERED.
SUSTAINABILITY, FIRE, ALL THAT.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GOTTEN SOME INPUT? YES.
WE'LL CLOSE, UH, NUMBER FIVE THEN MOVE ON TO SIX
[6. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS]
FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. UM, WE DO NOT HAVE A MEETING ON AUGUST 19TH.UM, WE WILL LIKELY HAVE A MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, ASSUMING THAT, UM, YOU'RE NOT ALL OUT OF TOWN FOR THE LABOR DAY HOLIDAY THAT WEEK.
UM, AND THERE WOULD BE SOME LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS COMING TO THAT MEETING.
I DID NOT GET MY ACT TOGETHER.
THAT'S WHAT I TOLD YOU LAST TIME.
WELL, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, WE WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING AT SIX NINE.