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TOGETHER WITH THAT LITTLE DID ONE[Historic Preservation Commission on August 11, 2025.]
IT'S JUST, IT'S UH, IT'S FINE.I JUST PULLED IT, IT, IT ADJUSTS UHHUH.
SO I, I'M GETTING HELLO STEVE.
HOW ARE YOU? YOU KNOW, IF I READ BETTER AT, AT FIVE 30 TO SIX YOU LOOK MORE, YOU LOOK MORE ERGON.
I SAID 5 36, SO I SAID WE'LL GET THERE WHEN WE GET THERE LOOKING, STANDING UP STRAIGHT.
WE WILL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE CITY OF SEDONA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO ORDER AT, UH, 4 0 1 OFFICIAL VERIZON TIME.
UM, IF YOU'LL ALL STAND AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
PRESENT VICE CHAIR SEGMENTER, NOT PRESENT.
EN ROOT,
UH, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
UH, ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING? I DO HAVE ONE QUICK THING IF WELL, WOULDN'T THAT APPLY THE AWARD? NO.
UH, THE, UH, I THINK THEY'LL TOUCH ON THAT DURING THEIR PRESENTATION.
UM, JUST REAL QUICK, UH, SO THE COMMISSIONERS ARE AWARE, UM, I ATTENDED, UM, THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION'S, UH, SITE VISIT FOR THE OLD GEORGE JORDAN PUMP HOUSE.
WELL, I WENT TO LOOK AT THE OLD GEORGE JORDAN PUMP HOUSE.
THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE, UH, AMTE PROPERTY ALONG OAK CREEK.
UM, BUT THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF, UH, TO THAT COMMISSION, UM, TO, TO REQUEST THAT THEY REQUEST THAT WE
SO I WENT TO FAMILIARIZE MYSELF, UH, WITH IT.
SO, UM, IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND ANYONE GO CHECK IT OUT.
UM, BUT, UM, THAT MIGHT BE COMING BEFORE US AT SOME POINT.
DID YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? YES.
JUST THAT, UM, IT WAS AN AWESOME VISIT.
UM, AND THE PUMP HOUSE IS IN DISREPAIR.
UM, SO, UH, BUT PRELIMINARILY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I WANNA, MAYBE I SHOULDN'T PUT THIS ON THE RECORD, BUT, UM, PRELIMINARILY, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE, UH, DEVELOPER WOULD LIKE TO, UH, BRING THAT UP TO SNUFF AND, AND, UH, AND MOVE FORWARD WITH WHATEVER HPC WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH IT.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING HERE? I JUST WANTED TO ASK? IT'S IN BAD CONDITION.
OH, WE CAN'T ACTUALLY DISCUSS.
OH, THAT'S WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW.
UM,
UH, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES, UH, MINUTES OF JUNE 9TH, 2025, WHICH, UH, WE HAD TO TABLE BECAUSE NOBODY HAD SEEN THEM.
UH, AND MINUTES OF JULY 21ST, 2025, WHICH WAS OUR LAST MEETING.
HAS EVERYONE SEEN THOSE MINUTES NOW? YES, IT'S FINE.
UH, WE OKAY TO APPROVE THOSE? IS THERE SOMETHING I, MAGIC WORDS I NEED TO SAY THERE? NO.
THOSE ARE APPROVED
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA.
THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO A RS 38 DASH 4 31 0 1 H, ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO ANY CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
WE DO HAVE A COUPLE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS? OKAY.
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM, MOVE ON TO REGULAR BUSINESS, UM, A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION,
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POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR PROPOSED EXTERIOR RENOVATIONS AT THE RANGER STATION PARK, HOUSE CITY, LANDMARK NUMBER SEVEN, AND BARN CITY LANDMARK NUMBER EIGHT.BOTH STRUCTURES ARE ALSO LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT TWO 50 RANGER ROAD.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED COMMUNITY FACILITIES.
CF IS AROUND 3.4 ACRES AND IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF BREWER ROAD, SOUTH OF RANGER ROAD.
A PN 4 0 1 DASH THREE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE 3D AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO STAFF.
UH, MY NAME IS SANDY PHILLIPS.
I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ASSISTANT CITY ENGINEER.
MY NAME'S LARRY FARGE, FACILITIES MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA.
AND WE'RE HERE TO, UM, PRESENT TO YOU, THIS IS A, UM, HOPEFULLY OUR LAST BEFORE WE CAN START CONSTRUCTION ON THE INTERIOR RENOVATION OF THE HOUSE AND BARN.
SO BEFORE YOU IS OUR REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
SO THERE'S FIVE ITEMS FOR THE RANGER STATION HOUSE AND FOUR ITEMS FOR THE BARN.
AND I'LL, I'VE GOT QUICK LITTLE SNIPS OF WHAT WAS INSIDE YOUR PACKET.
SO THERE'S A, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING CLIMATE CONTROL ON THE HOUSE, WE'RE REQUESTING A CONDENSER ON THE OUTSIDE.
IF YOU VISITED THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW HOW THAT PATIO IS QUITE SQUISHY.
WE WANNA REPLACE THOSE WOOD PLANKS.
THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING DOESN'T MEET CODE, SO WE WANNA, UM, ADD A LIGHT.
I'VE GOT A A SCREENSHOT OF THAT, WHAT THAT'LL LOOK LIKE.
THE HANDRAIL NEEDS TO MEET CODE, SO IT NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE RAMP WE HAD DG, BUT THAT BERMUDA IS AMAZING
UM, WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW.
SO THE RANGER STATION BARN, THERE'S A METAL LOUVER ON THE OUTSIDE, AND THERE'S SOME OTHER VENTILATION THAT WAS EXISTING, BUT THAT'S FOR THE NEW EXHAUST SYSTEM THAT WE WANNA PUT IN THE BARN.
THE DOOR ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BARN NEEDS TO BE WIDENED SLIGHTLY TO GET THE, TO THE 36 SO THAT WE CAN MEET THE A DA, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF SIDEWALK WIDENING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BARN AGAIN TO MEET A DA AND THEN SOME EXTERIOR LIGHTING.
SO JUST A LITTLE BIT, UM, REMEMBER WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
UM, AND THEN, UM, WE HAD, UH, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WAS OUT WALKING WHEN I WAS OUT THERE AND SHE RECOMMENDED A PHOTOGRAPHER AND WE WERE ABLE TO HIRE HIM AT A DECENT PRICE.
AND SO EVERY TIME WE COME, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU AMAZING PHOTOS.
WE ONLY ASKED FOR 12 AND WE GOT 66.
UM, SO, AND THEN THE GOOD THING WAS IS UM, WE USED THESE PHOTOS FOR AN APPLICATION THAT WE MADE TO AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION.
THEY HAVE A CATEGORY FOR SMALL CITIES, RURAL COMMUNITIES FOR HISTORIC RESTORATION AND, UM, PRESERVATION.
WE BROUGHT IT, UH, THE TROPHY.
AND WHAT'S REALLY COOL IS THE STATE THEN FORWARDED THAT APPLICATION TO THE NATIONAL, AND LARRY IS GOING THIS WEEKEND TO GO GET, COLLECT THE NATIONAL AWARD.
WE WON FOR THE SAME CATEGORY WITH THE NATION.
SO AGAIN, WHERE DO YOU GO? TA
SO HE'S FLYING OUT TO CHICAGO.
HE'S BEEN ON THIS WHEN WE STARTED THE, UM, BARN WHEN WE WERE ONLY DOING ONE SIDE AT A TIME.
SO TO SAY IT'S BEEN A LABOR OF LOVE FOR LARRY IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT PASSION PROJECT
SO WE'RE SUPER PROUD AND, AND WE GOT GREAT PHOTOS.
SO BACK TO THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE.
SO, UM, WE'VE GONE THROUGH SOME, UM, COORDINATION WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND OUR HEAD CODE OFFICIAL BUILDING OFFICIAL, AND MADE SOME TWEAKS.
UM, SO I WANTED TO, DOES THIS WORK, OR IS IT THE POINTER OR IS THAT A MOUSE?
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WHERE'S THE MOUSE? SO I KNOW ONE OF THE CONCERNS, WHERE AM I? NO, DOES IT NEED TO BE TURNED ON? IT PLUGGED INTO YOUR COMPUTER? OH, PROBABLY NOT, HUH? IS IT'S NOT INTO THAT.YOU CAN POINT IT'S ON, IT'S ON THE OTHER.
THE DONGLE IS IN THE OTHER COMPUTER.
I JUST WANTED TO, UM, SO THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE DIVISION BETWEEN THE MEETING ROOM AND THE SEATING AND THAT THEY WERE GLASS.
SO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT, THAT IS NOW? SO INSTEAD OF IT BEING GLASS, IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, EYE GLASS PANEL DOOR, UM, YET TO BE DETERMINED.
UH, SOME TYPE OF NATURALLY FINISHED WOOD TO MATCH THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THE INTERIOR CURRENTLY HAS BEEN PAINTED OVER.
WE'RE PLANNING ON REMOVING THOSE PANELS AND PUTTING IN THAT NATURAL KIND OF PINE, YOU KNOW, POLYURETHANE LOOK THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE.
PROBABLY WHAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE WHEN IT WAS FIRST BUILT.
SO, AND THEN THE DOOR SWING HAS GOTTA BE CHANGED.
AND THEN YOU WANNA P POINT OUT WHERE THE CONDENSER'S GONNA GO? YEAH, THE CONDENSER'S GONNA BE LOCATED RIGHT THERE, JUST BEYOND THE CISTERN.
SO WE HAD ONE THERE, BUT IT WAS REMOVED DURING DEMOLITION.
THAT'S ABOUT THE SAME, OH, I'M SORRY.
UM, THAT'S ABOUT THE SAME LOCATION AS THE NEW EXHAUST VENT.
UM, BUT IT'S GONNA BE UP ABOUT 10 FOOT OFF.
YEAH, THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE SCREENSHOT.
SO YOU WANNA POINT OUT WHERE THE CONDENSER IS ON.
THE CONDENSER'S GONNA BE LOCATED RIGHT HERE, AND THAT'S GONNA BE AN EXHAUST, UH, LU FORWARD EXHAUST BAND FOR THE REST.
CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO EXTENSION PAST THE THREAT.
THE LANDING, WHICH BY CODE IT NEEDS TO BE ONE FOOT PAST THE LANDING, WHICH WE'LL BE CREATING WITH THE NEW SIDEWALK.
AND THEN WE'LL BE EXTENDING IT UP INTO THE PORCH IN THIS AREA.
CURRENTLY NOW IS JUST A STRAIGHT POSED RAIL.
IT DOESN'T MEAN A DA COMPLIANT.
AND THIS WILL BE PAINTED WHITE.
UM, YES, BECAUSE THAT WAS TRADITIONALLY THE COLOR.
BUT I, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT BACK TO ORIGINAL COLORS.
WHAT'S THE MATERIAL? UH, IT'S JUST, UH, STEEL TUBING.
SO, AND, UM, IT'S YOUR STANDARD A DAI THINK IT'S TWO INCH, UM, STEEL POST.
IT'S THE EXISTING MATERIAL THAT'S OUT THERE NOW.
UM, SO THEY'RE JUST GONNA EXTEND THAT.
SO IT IS JUST A, ABOUT A ONE AND A HALF TO TWO INCH, UH, UH, ROUND STEEL.
SO WE'LL BE KEEPING THE EXISTING RAILING, LITERALLY JUST ADDING THIS LOOP HERE AND THEN ONE UP TOP HERE.
AND THEN PAINTING THE WHOLE THING.
WHITE PAINTING THE WHOLE THING PORT.
THAT'S 'CAUSE THAT'S TRADITION.
THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, UH, VERY GOOD.
AND THEN, SO IT'S HARD TO SEE THE LIGHT.
IT'S HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER IN YOUR PACKETS.
AND THAT THE MIDDLE EXHIBIT SHOWS HOW IT'S JUST GONNA BE EXTENDED A LITTLE BIT SO THAT IT MEETS CODE.
AND THEN THE LIGHT IS, UM, IT'S GOT A GOOSENECK, I BELIEVE, AND IT'S GONNA BE WHITE SO IT BLENDS IN DURING THE DAY.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE IT DURING THE DAY, BUT DURING THE EVENING IT CAN BE LIT UP FOR SO THAT PEOPLE CAN EASILY MOVE ABOUT WHILE THEY'RE LEAVING.
DO YOU WANNA POINT OUT WHERE THE PATH FROM THE RAMP TO THE SHARED USE PATH? THIS IS CURRENTLY DG AND WE ARE GONNA BE CREATING A CONCRETE, A DA COMPLIANT SIDEWALK TO THE EXISTING A DA COMPLIANT DG PATH.
SO, AND THEN THE PARKING, WE'VE GOT A DA PARKING, SO A DA PARKING IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE.
SO THE, YOU WOULD EXIT, YOU COME AROUND THIS WAY, TAKE THAT, AND THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD ENTER THE HOUSE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE HOUSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE BARN? OH, I, I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THE ORIENTATION.
I, I WAS, I WAS LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE.
YEAH, BY THE ORIENTATION HERE.
I WAS LIKE, THIS SEEMS TO SUGGEST YOU'RE MOVING THE RAMP, BUT YOU'RE NOT.
CHAIRMAN AND, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ARE YOU OKAY WITH, DO YOU WANNA KNOW WHERE THE LIGHT FIXTURES ARE GOING TO BE PLACED? YEAH, WE'LL SHOW YOU ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO THERE'LL BE A LIGHT HERE FOR THE FRONT DOOR ENTRANCE, WHICH IS AN EMERGENCY EXIT.
SO CODE CALLS FOR NOT ONLY AN EXIT SIGN ON THE INSIDE, BUT ALSO ILLUMINATION ON THE EXTERIOR SIDE.
IS THAT CORRECT, STEVE? YES, SIR.
UH, BUT THEN THERE'LL BE ANOTHER LIGHT
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AT THE BACK DOOR LOCATED HERE.AND THEN ALSO, BUT THIS IS THE BACK DOOR.
THERE'LL BE ONE ON THE SIDE THERE AND THEN ALSO ONE HERE FOR THE STAIRWELL.
SO THREE LIGHTS TOTAL ON THE HOUSE.
WHAT WILL IT BE LIKE? IT WAS ROOFING.
UH, THE ROOFING'S GONNA STAY THE ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF THAT IS NOW, THAT WAS INSTALLED I BELIEVE IN 2014.
UH, WHEN THE STRUCTURES WERE IN REAL BAD SHAPE, OF COURSE THEY HAD A CEDAR SHINGLE ROOF AT THAT TIME, WHICH IS NOT CO COMPLIANT ANYMORE.
UM, THAT'LL BE REPLACED PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY IN ANOTHER FOUR TO FIVE YEARS.
THE LIFE EXPECTANCY ON THAT MATERIAL IS ABOUT 15 YEARS.
SO WHEN WE GET TO ROOF REPLACEMENT TIME, THEN WE CAN COME AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF ROOF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.
DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE COLOR? UM, THAT TYPE OF THING.
'CAUSE I REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL COLOR
SO AN NOSE, WAS IT JUST THE SHINGLE AT THE, IT WAS A, IT WAS, IT WAS A GREEN KIND OF.
YEAH, IT WAS GREEN AND IT WAS ASPHALT.
THEN WE COULD DEFINITELY GET THAT.
UM, THEN THE ONLY OTHER, UM, UH, EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENT WE'RE REQUESTING IS TO REPLACE THE PATIO 10 BOARDS.
UH, THEY'RE SPECING OUT A TWO BY FOUR REDWOOD TYPE WOOD WITH, UH, EIGHTH IN SPACING.
THE CURRENT WOOD THAT WAS THERE WAS NEVER SPACED.
SO THE WATER WOULD JUST STAY THAT CAUSED THE WORK.
UM, ARE YOU GOING TO BE USING, UM, DIMENSIONAL, UH, FULL DIMENSIONAL LUMBER? OR ARE YOU USING MODERN DIMENSIONAL LUMBER? ROUGH CUT.
UH, IT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I WOULD SAY WE'RE GONNA DO, PERIOD, CORRECT.
SO WE HAD THE MILLHOUSE THAT DID ALL OF THE SIDING AND ALL OF THE OTHER FEATURES, WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEM FOR WHAT THEY WOULD'VE PRODUCED IN, SAY, THE FORTIES OR THE FIFTIES.
WHICH WAS PROBABLY SOME TYPE, PROBABLY NOT A TWO BY FOUR, PROBABLY MORE OF A ONE BY FOUR TYPE DEAL.
THAT WE JUST NEED TO MAKE IT SAFE.
SO
FOR THE INTERIOR, WHICH ISN'T OUR CONCERN.
UH, ARMSTRONG, THE, YOU KNOW, FLOORING PEOPLE, YEAH.
IF YOU NEED TO REPLACE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL FLOORING, THEY WILL COPY IT AND MAKE IT THE SAME.
SO IN THE LIVING ROOM AREA WHERE WE HAVE THE CURRENT HARD, UH, OAK FLOORING, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE.
SO THE BARN, RIGHT? YOU WANNA GO OVER SOME OF THE SMALL CHANGES THAT SINCE THE LAST TIME WE CAME? YEAH.
SO SOME OF THE CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE THE, UM, BRINGING UP THE WEST SIDE DOOR TO FULL A DA COMPLIANCE.
IT'S CURRENTLY A 32 INCH DOOR.
UH, WE'LL NEED TO MAKE IT A 36 INCH DOOR, BUT IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE MILLED AND BUILT TO MATCH THE EXISTING BARN DOORS AND EXISTING OTHER DOORS.
UM, THERE IS GONNA BE SOME CONCRETE WORK HERE FOR AADA, A COMPLIANCE TO COME OUT CURRENTLY.
UM, THERE'S A PIECE OF FIELD STONE THERE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE WORKED HARD TO SAVE.
WE WANNA GET OUR OCCUPANCY, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO FIX THAT.
AND THAT'LL RUN INTO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK.
THEN THAT WILL COME AROUND AND THERE'S A DA PARKING HEREISH IN FRONT OF THE PLAYGROUND.
UH, SO THERE'S A PATHWAY NOT ONLY THROUGH THIS WAY, BUT ALSO AROUND THE BACK OF THE BARN, WHICH WILL TAKE YOU TO THE NEXT A DA COMPLIANT ENTRANCE AND EX EXIT, WHICH IS A BARN DOOR.
AND THAT WILL, THAT CONCRETE WILL NEED TO BE EXTENDED TO MEET COMPLIANCE.
AM I CONSIDERING THE ROUND THINGS? IS THAT TABLES AND CHAIRS OR LIGHTING? YEAH, THAT'S JUST THE RENDITION.
BUT THAT'S THE WEST SIDE YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
UH, WHICH IS NORTH, THAT'S NORTH, SOUTH EAST.
JUST SO THE, THE STABLES WERE OVER HERE.
UM, THE OTHER, UM, IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE, OF COURSE, THE INSTALLATION OF THE EXHAUST PLAN, UH, WHICH WILL BE ON THIS SIDE OF THE BARN.
BASICALLY, WHEN YOU OPEN UP THE DOORS AND THE WINDOWS AND THAT'S ON, YOU'RE GONNA CREATE A DRAW THROUGH THE BARN, SINCE WE DO NOT HAVE CLIMATE CONTROL.
AND WE'RE GOING TO OF COURSE, TRY THAT OUT, SEE IF THAT WORKS.
IF THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO WORK, THEN WE'LL HIT CLIMATE CONTROL AT, AT A LABOR DATE.
SO THERE IS OF COURSE THE LOFT IN THE BARN.
THIS AREA HERE, WE HAD, UH, PROPOSED A SHIP LADDER, BUT DUE TO CODE COMPLIANCE, WE WOULD'VE HAD TO REDUCE THE LOFT DOWN TO APPROXIMATELY 200 FEET.
I BELIEVE IT WAS TWO, 200 SQUARE FEET.
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IT'S, UM, WE ARE NOT GOING TO INSTALL A SHIP SLIDER THERE.UM, THAT LOFT WILL BE USED FOR STORAGE, BUT ACCESSED BY A, UM, REMOVABLE LADDER.
UM, WE'RE GONNA BE INSTALLING A HIGH LOW A DA COMPLIANT, WHOOP.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE IN THE BACK, THIS HASN'T CHANGED, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SLOP SINK, HAND SINK FOR EVENTS THAT NEED CATERING FOR CUSTODIAL DUTIES.
UM, SO THE LIGHTS AND JUST, DO YOU HAVE THE OTHER LIGHTS SLIDE? UM, IT'S THIS ONE.
SO, UM, THIS IS THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BARN CLOSEST TO THE PLAYGROUND.
SO THERE'LL BE A LIGHT OUT OF THIS EXIT HERE.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING LIGHTS ON THE BACK OF THE BARN, UM, ABOVE THE TWO DOORS HERE.
AND THEN ON THE FRONT, THIS IS THE DOOR THAT WE'RE GONNA BE EXPANDING.
SO THERE'LL BE A LIGHT THERE, WHICH WE HAVE TO FOR CO COMPLIANCE.
AND THEN UP TOP, THERE'LL BE LIGHTS ON ALL WELL IN BETWEEN ALL OF THE BARN DOORS.
ONE ON TOP OF THE LAST BARN DOOR, AND THEN ON THE SINGLE ENTRY DOOR WHERE THEY'RE, SO HOW ARE YOU SECURING THE HAY MOUNT DOOR? WHICH DOOR? SORRY? THE HAY MOUNT UP ON, ON TOP.
OH, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S JUST ACTUALLY SECURED WITH THE, UM, THE BOLT LOCK.
ONE FOR THE BOTTOM DOOR AND ONE FOR THE TOP.
THAT'S HOW IT'S CURRENTLY SECURED.
AND THAT'S THE SAME DOWN BELOW TOO.
THIS BOLT LOCKS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE TOP.
THE LUGERS FOR THE EXHAUST SYSTEM ARE GOING TO BE LOCATED ACTUALLY JUST, IT'S JUST ONE WHICH IS GONNA BE HERE.
BUT THEN BEHIND YOU, AREN'T THERE TWO THERE ON THAT? THOSE ARE EXISTING.
THOSE ARE EXISTING ON THAT, UM, SHEAR WALL AREA.
IT'S JUST INSTALLATION OF THE ONE MOVER.
I'M, I'M GLAD TO SEE THE DOORS LOOK LIKE THEY DID
AND THE ONE THAT WE'RE WIDENING WILL MAINTAIN THAT SAME LOOK.
WE'RE JUST GONNA REPLICATE WHAT WE HAVE.
LARRY, DID YOU, UH, IDENTIFY THE EMERGENCY LIGHTING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THOSE TWO EXIT DOORS? YES.
SO EMERGENCY LIGHTING IS GONNA BE LOCATED HERE.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S THE WEST.
SO THIS, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING BY, THAT'S THE FRONT DOOR TO THE BARN.
ALSO HERE WHERE WE HAVE AN A DA ENTRANCE AND EXIT THAT'S REQUIRED BY CODE.
UH, THE OTHER IS JUST BEEN, THE OTHER LIGHTS HAVE TRULY JUST BEEN REQUESTED BY PARTS AND REC TO WHEN THEY HAVE AN EVENT TO LIGHT IT UP.
OF COURSE, THERE WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT OFF BY 10:00 PM AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
ANOTHER EMERGENCY ON THE BACK DOOR.
THE LAST ONE? NO, ONLY, UH, ON THE REQUIRED EXIT DOORS, 80 IS, AND THIS WILL BE PAINTED WHITE AS WELL? YES.
SO DURING THE DAY THEY DON'T STICK OUT.
WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT PAINTING THE WALLS WHITE.
WELL, WE CAN'T TELL YOU MUCH ABOUT, I MEAN, ONE THING THAT PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY, OH, YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU FIRST SAW IT, THERE WAS MULES IN THERE AND PEOPLE GO, WHAT THE HECK? THEY USED MULES FOR? WELL, THEY USED MULES FOR RESCUES OUT IN OUR ROUGH BACK COUNTRY.
AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF JEEPS.
I MEAN, WE DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY.
EVERYTHING IS WHAT THEY USE MEALS FOR.
AND THAT'S WHAT MUL JEROME, YOU GET TO USE THE PHARMACY, WHICH WAS THE ONLY ONE THERE.
I THINK THAT UNTIL THE FORTIES, RIGHT? NO, YEAH.
YOU DID HAVE TO GO TO JEROME OR, YEAH, YEAH.
THAT'S WHAT, AND THAT'S WHY I SAY, BUT THAT'S WHY WHEN I WAS FIRST SAW THIS, LIKE, THERE'S MULES AND THAT'S WHY I LOVE THIS ONE OVER HERE.
I SAID LIKE GOING YEAH, WE, I'M REMEMBERING YOU.
UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT'S CURRENTLY CENTERED ON THAT WALL, RIGHT? YES.
SO ARE YOU GOING TO EXPAND IT TWO INCHES ON EACH SIDE, OR ARE YOU GONNA SO IT REMAINS CENTERED ON EACH SIDE.
FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE, THE FRAMING THAT'S ALREADY THERE ALLOWS US TO DO THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO CUT ANY OF THE, WELL, WE WILL HAVE TO CUT A LITTLE OF THE SIDING, BUT MAYBE AN INCH OR TWO.
THE REST IS JUST KIND OF PANEL MOLDED AROUND.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT REMAINS CENTERED.
NOT GONNA TAKE SIX INCHES OFF OF ONE SIDE.
SO RECAP, UM, ON THE HOUSE IS THE CONDENSER OUTSIDE THE PATIO DECKING, THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING, THE HANDRAIL, AND THEN THE SIDEWALK ON THE END OF THE RAMP.
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AND THEN THE, UH, RANGER STATION BARN IS THE METAL LOUVER FOR THE EXHAUST SYSTEM, WIDENING THE DOOR, UM, EXTENDING THE SIDEWALK A LITTLE BIT TO MEET A DA AND EXTERIOR LIGHTING.SO, UM, I DID WANNA TOUCH ON THE RESTROOM.
SO, UM, WE HAD TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THE RESTROOM, AND WHEN WE TOOK THAT OUT TO BID, UM, WE GOT FEEDBACK THAT IT WAS, THOUGHT THAT IT WAS, UM, MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WE WERE.
THEY WERE PREPARED TO, EVEN THOUGH WE HAD THE AMOUNT BUDGETED.
UM, WE HAVE TALKED TO CMS OFFICE THAT, UM, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T OPEN EITHER ONE OF THESE STRUCTURES WITHOUT HAVING THIS PERMANENT RESTROOM IN PLACE.
AND SO, UM, AS SOON AS WE CAN GET, UH, THE HOUSE AND BARN BID AND MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO, UM, JUMP WITH BOTH FEET ON THE RESTROOM AGAIN.
AND SO, UM, CURRENTLY THEY'RE TRYING TO THINK THAT THERE MAY BE A STANDARD, UH, DESIGN FOR A RESTROOM, BUT, UM, WE KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO MEET, UM, YOUR REQUIREMENTS AND BLEND IN WITH THE PARK.
SO, UM, WE MAY BE BACK SOON FOR THAT, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU JUST, THAT HASN'T DISAPPEARED.
WE KNOW IT'S ON THE PLATE, AND IT'LL, UM, PROBABLY COME UP THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO
AND HE CAMPED OUT TO GET THE SUNSET AND THE SUNRISE.
HE JUST DID SUCH A GREAT JOB, SO WE WERE VERY LUCKY TO, TO FIND HIM.
COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? NO, I'M PLEASED FOR THE PERMANENT RESTROOMS. UM, IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY IN PLACE? YES.
SINCE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC, THE RESTROOMS COULD, UH, COULD THE RESTROOMS AT JORDAN HISTORICAL PARK BE, UH, USED AS A MODEL? COULD, COULD YOU JUST TAKE WHAT YOU DID THERE? I MEAN, IT'S BUILT INTO THE HILLSIDE A LITTLE BIT, BUT RIGHT.
SO IT'S, IT WAS REALLY DESIGNED TO SUPPORT THE TWO FACILITIES, THE HOUSE AND THE BARN, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, EVENTS.
UH, ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO 70 PEOPLE, WE WOULD NEED AT LEAST THE FOUR STALLS, THE ONE A DA COMPLIANT, AND THE OTHER THREE, UM, STEVE COULD TALK YOU TO DEATH ON THE CODE ON THAT ONE
UM, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHY THAT DESIGN IS THE WAY IT IS.
SO, AND THEN WE'LL BE, SANDY AND MYSELF WILL BE RELAYING THAT INFORMATION TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
UM, THE CITY'S TRYING TO FIND, YOU KNOW, UM, A STANDARD RESTROOM, BUT THAT'S MOSTLY FOR THE PARK AND RIDES, UM, THAT DON'T, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT STRUCTURES LIKE THIS.
YEAH, IT'S JUST BEEN A GREAT PROJECT ALL THE WAY ALONG.
SO I'M, EVERYTHING YOU SAID MADE SENSE.
COMMISSIONER STECK? NO, THEY ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS.
I THINK, UH, THEY'RE NECESSARY TO MAKE THEM FUNCTIONAL BUILDINGS.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY POINT IN PRESERVING AND RESTORING THESE IF WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A USE FOR 'EM, IN MY OPINION.
SO, UH, WE'VE GOTTA MAKE 'EM USABLE.
AND IF, IF THESE ARE THE MEASURES WE NEED TO TAKE TO, TO MAKE THEM USABLE AND, AND MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY, THEN UM, YOU KNOW, MY OPINION IS WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD GO AHEAD WITH IT.
BUT, UM, I GUESS IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS OR CONCERNS, WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE, DON'T WE? WE HAVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC, I'M SORRY.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? OKAY.
UH, THEN AT THAT POINT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE, UH, IS THERE LANGUAGE IN OUR PACKET HERE? THERE IS.
UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER CA TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 0 0 2, RANGER STATION, HOUSE AND BARN, BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC SECTION 8.3 AND 8.7, AND SATISFACTION OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THIS, OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
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OKAY.OH, BY THE WAY, THE PACKET WE GOT, STEVE, IT'S IS, UH, THAT WAS REALLY WELL PUT TOGETHER BY THE STAFF.
I THOUGHT IT WAS EASY TO UNDERSTAND.
IT MADE IT REALLY EASY TO THANK YOU.
THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CARRIE AND I.
SO FOR REGULAR BUSINESS POINT B TRAINING AND DISCUSSION, THE ARIZONA STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE, OR SHIPPO, INCLUDING TRAINING RELATED TO THE CITY'S STATUS, IS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT OR CLG.
AND AT THIS POINT, UM, UH, I GUESS I'LL INTRODUCE ARIANA URBAN FROM, UH, STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE.
UM, I'LL PROBABLY BUTCHER YOUR TITLE, BUT YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY THE COORDINATOR FOR THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FOR SHIPPING MY TITLE.
UM, SO, UH, WE'RE SO HAPPY THAT YOU COULD MAKE TIME FOR US TO, TO COME DOWN AND, AND TALK TO US ABOUT, UH, WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A CLG OF COURSE.
THANK YOU CHAIR MEYERS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
IT'S A ABSOLUTE PLEASURE TO BE HERE.
I AM THE PLANNER, UH, CITY PLANNER AND CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT COORDINATOR FOR THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE.
OUR AGENCY IS NESTLED WITHIN, UH, ARIZONA STATE PARKS AND TRAILS, AND SO DRIVING DOWN THROUGH OAK CREEK CANYON AND WAS A, A SPECIAL TREAT FOR ME TODAY.
UM, AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
UH, IT'S GOOD TO SEE SOME FAMILIAR FACES.
UH, SEDONA HAS ALWAYS DONE A GREAT JOB OF REPRESENTING AT, UH, THE, UH, OUR STATEWIDE HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONFERENCE EVERY YEAR AND SENDING COMMISSIONERS TO COME TO THE, UH, THE BIG CLG TRAININGS THAT WE HOLD EVERY YEAR.
SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO FINALLY BE HERE IN PERSON.
I, UH, I'M BORN AND RAISED IN ARIZONA.
UM, I'M A NATIVE AND THIS STATE IS MY FAVORITE THING IN THE WORLD,
UM, UM, I HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF OREGON SCHOOL OF ARCHITECTURE.
SO, UH, I PRETTY MUCH EAT AND BREATHE AND SLEEP PRESERVATION.
SO, UH, AGAIN, JUST THRILLED TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO YOU GUYS TODAY.
I, CAN YOU HEAR ME? SHOULD I SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE? OKAY.
I'M ALSO, I'M ALSO INCREDIBLY IMPRESSED BY, UH, THE, THE BARN AND RANGER STATION PROJECT.
I JUST SAW, UH, IN AN AWARD-WINNING PROJECT, WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE THE NEWS OF THAT ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, AND PERHAPS SUBMIT IT FOR A GOVERNOR'S AWARD NEXT YEAR.
WHO KNOWS? SO, UH, YEAH, LET'S, I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO, TO KEEP THAT ON OUR RADAR.
SO LET'S SEE IF I CAN DO THIS AS FULL SCREEN VIEW.
I CAME UP WITH A LITTLE PRESENTATION FOR YOU GUYS TODAY, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS LIKE TO HAVE THIS BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONVERSATION AS WELL.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO TO STOP ME AND WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
SO, AS WE KNOW, OF COURSE, SEDONA IS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
UM, AND MY FAVORITE WAY TO TALK ABOUT CGS IS IT'S NOT ABOUT ANY SORT OF, YOU KNOW, EXTRA REGULATIONS OR GOVERNMENT IMPOSING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT REALLY IS A WAY FOR A LOCAL MUNICIPALITY WITH HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, DEMONSTRABLE HISTORIC RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO NOT ONLY MAKE A COMMITMENT TO PRESERVING THOSE HISTORIC RESOURCES, BUT DOING IT IN A WAY THAT'S SPECIFICALLY TAILORED FOR THE BEST NEEDS OF THAT CITY.
RIGHT? WE, WHENEVER WE GO TO A NEW CLG, MY FIRST THING I SAY IS, TELL ME ABOUT YOU.
WHAT DO YOU NEED? HOW DOES HISTORIC PRESERVATION ALREADY WORK IN YOUR TOWN, IN YOUR CITY? AND HOW CAN WE CRAFT THAT TWO, A UNIQUE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT THAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU GUYS? AND SO, UM, IT REALLY IS NOT ABOUT, NOT ABOUT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE STATE COMING DOWN WITH ITS FINGER WAGGING.
UH, IT REALLY IS JUST ABOUT SEDONA TAKING CARE OF ITSELF.
UM, AND ULTIMATELY, PARDON ME, THE, THE LAST LITTLE BOX I HAVE HERE IS, HAS KIND OF BEEN MY MANTRA FOR THE PAST YEAR OR TWO IN TERMS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION
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AND MANAGING CHANGE.WE ARE NO LONGER TRYING TO, UH, IN THE PRESERVATION FIELD, AT LEAST IN ARIZONA, TRYING TO FREEZE ANYTHING IN TIME IN A BLOCK OF ICE.
WE KNOW THAT HISTORIC RESOURCES ARE ALWAYS GOING TO CHANGE WHETHER A NEW DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA COME RIGHT BEHIND A HISTORIC DISTRICT, OR WHETHER WE NEED TO EXPAND THE DOOR OF A RANGER STATION OR AN A BARN TO BE A DA COMPLIANT, RIGHT? WE NEED TO CONDITION SPACES, WE NEED NEW AMENITIES.
UM, WE, YOU KNOW, FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, WE NEED NEW DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO INSTEAD OF PRESERVATIONISTS COMING TO THE TABLE AND SAYING, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOTHING, NOTHING, NO, WE ARE LOOKING AT IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS BROAD DISCUSSION OF HOW DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA, IS GOING TO SHAKE OUT, AND HOW WE CAN DO THAT IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY TO INCORPORATE OUR EXISTING HISTORIC PROPERTIES TO RESPECT OUR EXISTING HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
AND JUST LIKE, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, PUT THEM BACK INTO USE, WHICH IS REALLY ALL WE EVER WANT FOR A, FOR A HISTORIC BUILDING IS, IS TO BE SERVING ITS COMMUNITY AS BEST WE CAN.
SO, UM, SOMETIMES WE CAN GET LOST IN THE DEVELOPMENT WEEDS, BUT, BUT I LIKE TO THINK ABOUT MANAGING CHANGE IN TERMS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
SO THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO BECOME ACL G, UH, A ZONING ORDINANCE OR SOME SORT OF CHAPTER IN YOUR ZONING CODE, WHICH SEDONA HAS, CHECK A HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
HERE WE ARE, UM, SOME SORT OF SURVEY OF HISTORIC RESOURCES.
AND I WAS VERY PLEASED TO SEE THIS MORNING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A SURVEY DONE, UH, IN 2014, ONLY AMIR, 11 YEARS AGO,
UM, MUCH OF THE STATE WAS SURVEYED BACK IN THE LATE EIGHTIES AND EARLY NINETIES.
AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY SURVEY FORMS WE HAVE.
UM, AND OF COURSE, WE KNOW THERE'S BEEN QUITE A FEW, UH, DEMOLITIONS AND, UM, CHANGES TO, TO ALL THOSE HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
SO 2014 IS, IS A FANTASTIC, UH, YOU GUYS ARE AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON THAT ONE.
UM, AND THEN, OF COURSE, A PROCESS TO DESIGNATE THOSE RESOURCES THAT GET SURVEYED AND SOME SORT OF, UH, WAY FOR THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
SO, AND THIS IS THE OTHER THING I LIKE TO DO WHEN, UH, I COME TO A NEW COMMISSION.
AND THAT IS NOT TO TEACH YOU WHAT YOU GUYS DO NECESSARILY, BUT TO REALLY, UH, MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS KNOW HOW IMPORTANT YOU ARE, HOW TO REINFORCE, UH, THE, THE DUTIES AND THE POWERS THAT YOU GUYS REALLY HAVE.
IT'S, IT'S NO JOKE BEING ON A HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, ESPECIALLY IN SOMEWHERE LIKE SEDONA.
YOU KNOW, ZONING IS VERY EMOTIONAL.
UM, PRESERVATION IS VERY, VERY CLOSE TO PEOPLE'S HEARTS.
AND PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE VERY CLOSE TO PEOPLE'S HEARTS.
AND SO ALL THESE THINGS CAN, CAN SORT OF FORM INTO A CRUCIBLE AND, AND COMBUST.
SO, UM, YOU GUYS, AS THE COMMISSION ARE, ARE HERE TO STEER, STEER THE SHIP.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS NOT ONLY ARE HERE TO APPROVE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, BUT ALSO, LIKE I SAYS, FOSTER CIVIC PRIDE.
I GOT THIS OFF OF YOUR COMMISSION WEBSITE, RIGHT? FOSTER CIVIC PRIDE, UM, EDUCATE THE PUBLIC, UH, THROUGH THE USE OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND, AND HISTORY.
UM, AND ALONG WITH DOING THINGS LIKE SURVEYING AND, UM, AND EVALUATING PROPERTIES.
AND THEN OF COURSE, WE WANNA ALWAYS DO THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, THE SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO LET'S JUST TAKE A QUICK LOOK.
UH, YOU GUYS HAVE AN EXCELLENT ORDINANCE.
I HADN'T READ IT UNTIL JUST RECENTLY.
I SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME IN IT THIS MORNING.
YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT ORDINANCE.
IT CHECKS EVERY SINGLE BOX VERY NICELY.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S CLEAR, IT'S, UH, IT'S, I DIDN'T FIND, I DIDN'T FIND ANY, UH, ANY THINGS THAT I WISHED WERE IN IT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
SO, UH, GOOD JOB, GREAT, GREAT JOB ON YOUR ORDINANCE.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S A STRONG ONE.
SO YOU GUYS ARE AGAIN, AHEAD OF THE CURVE.
AND I ALSO TOOK A LITTLE DEEP DIVE INTO THE, THE SEDONA, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH, UM, HAS WHAT I LO WHAT I SAW TO BE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPRINKLES KIND OF SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT, WHICH IS ALSO GREAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST, UM, NOT JUST RELEGATED TO ONE SECTION.
SO, UH, THE RIGHT OFF THE BAT, SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY, RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM, IT SAYS, HISTORIC AND PREHISTORIC SITES ARE PRESERVED AND RECOGNIZED.
THAT'S WONDERFUL BECAUSE AT THE, ONE OF THE GREATEST ARGUMENTS FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS, IS THAT IT IS SUSTAINABLE, RIGHT? WE'RE REUSING THE THINGS WE HAVE RATHER THAN DEMOLISHING THEM, PUTTING THEM IN THE TRASH AND BRING,
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BUYING SOMETHING NEW, RIGHT? HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS INHERENTLY VERY GREEN.UM, AND LET'S SEE, UH, ON THE LEFT SIDE, THAT WAS IN THE ARTS AND CULTURE SECTION, UM, JUST AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
PRESERVE SITES AND CELEBRATE SEDONAS HISTORY.
UM, THE LANDMARK PROGRAM, OF COURSE, UH, IS, IS, IS A PRIMARY WAY TO DO THAT.
BUT PARTNERING WITH, UM, LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS, OF COURSE, THE MUSEUM, UH, TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS A PART OF YOUR GUYS', UH, UH, RESPONSIBILITIES IS RIGHT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
UH, THIS WAS IN, I BELIEVE 4.3 WAS IN THE LAND USE SECTION, MAINTAIN DESIGN STANDARDS, BIG ONE REFLECTED ON'S, SENSE OF PLACE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHATEVER, THIS IS THE ESSENCE OF SEDONA, RIGHT? THAT'S, ITS, THAT'S ITS, UH, REAL HEART AND SOUL.
UM, HISTORIC AND CULTURAL HERITAGE VIEW, SHED'S, ENVIRONMENT, AND NATURAL RESOURCES.
IT PRETTY MUCH DOESN'T GET, UH, CLEARER THAN THAT.
SO, EXCELLENT, UH, EXCELLENT INCLUSIONS IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
AND ALSO ALL THE SPRINKLES CAME REALLY WITH, UH, DISCUSSIONS OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES ALL THROUGH THE, THE COMMUNITY PLAN WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PARKS, WHERE THEY
YOU GUYS ARE NO STRIKES SO FAR,
SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS, LET ME JUST SEE THE NEXT SLIDE REALLY QUICK.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS REALLY, UH, EXCITED TO SEE WAS A REFERENCE TO THE HISTORIC DESIGN CRITERIA RIGHT THERE WITHIN THE PRESERVATION SECTION OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND THAT GOES A LONG WAY INTO ACTUALLY CODIFYING YOUR DESIGN GUIDELINES OR DESIGN CRITERIA FOR THE FUTURE.
AND THESE ARE THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE GO, OOH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION DESIGN GUIDELINES, THAT SOUNDS BORING, BUT IT'S NOT.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING BECAUSE YOU WANT TO KEEP SEDONA, SEDONA.
THERE'S, THERE'S WITHOUT DESIGN CRITERIA FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH SEDONA IS FAMOUS FOR, AND WITHOUT DESIGN CRITERIA IN A GOOD WAY, RIGHT? LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE TEAL ARCHES ARE A THING ALL OVER THE INTERNET, ALL OVER THE WORLD.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND WITHOUT SIMILAR CRITERIA FOR, FOR HISTORIC, UH, PROPERTIES, REALLY, THAT, THAT, THAT ESSENCE CAN JUST START TO DISSIPATE.
AND WHEN IT'S GONE, IT'S GONE.
UM, AND, UH, ONE OF THE COUPLE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WHEN I TALK ABOUT DESIGN GUIDELINES IS, UH, ENSURING CONSISTENCY AND FAIRNESS.
THIS CAN BE A TRICKY ONE WHEN PROPERTY OWNERS START TO THINK THAT, WELL, MY NEIGHBOR GOT THEIR PROJECT APPROVED, BUT I DIDN'T.
AND WHY, AND MINE, MINE SHOULD BE APPROVED BECAUSE THEIRS TOO.
AND OF COURSE, YOU GUYS HAVE GREAT REASONS TO, TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS, BUT, UM, THE OPTICS OF IT NEED TO BE CONSISTENT.
AND IDEALLY, PROPERTY OWNERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO PREDICT WHETHER THEIR, THEIR PROJECT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT GET PROVED BASED ON THE, THE DECISIONS MADE BY THE COMMISSION IN THE PAST.
AND THEN WE WANT THOSE DECISIONS TO BE DEFENSIBLE.
WE WANT, WE WANT TO MAKE A CHOICE, AND THEN BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO THE ORDINANCE AND SAY, THESE ARE THE EXACT REASONS WHY WE MADE THIS CHOICE.
SO IF IN THE UNFORTUNATE CASE, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S A LEGAL ARGUMENT AGAINST YOUR CHOICE, IT'S, IT'S EASILY DEFENSIBLE.
AND THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT GO INTO LOCAL DESIGN CRITERIA.
THIS IS, THIS IS THAT ESSENCE OF SEDONA, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION GUIDELINES, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR THE TREATMENT OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
THAT TEACHES US ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT WAYS TO RESTORE A PROPERTY, THE DIFFERENT WAYS TO REHABILITATE A PROPERTY.
AND THERE, THERE ARE BIBLE, BUT ONCE AGAIN, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE STATE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SEDONA.
IT'S, IT REALLY TAKES SEDONA EXPERTS, WHICH IS THIS COMMISSION AND, AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO CR AND OF COURSE STAFF TO CRAFT, UH, DESIGN CRITERIA.
YOU KNOW, ALL IT'S A, IT'S A GROUP EFFORT, RIGHT?
SO SITE RELATIONSHIPS IS A BIG, A BIG ONE HERE, RIGHT? WHERE HOW DO PROPERTIES INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER? WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED ON, ON THEIR PARCELS ON THE PROPERTY? UM, THINGS LIKE SCALE, ROOF PITCHES, UH, BUILDING MATERIALS AND COLORS IN SEDONA ARE ALL, ARE ALL THINGS THAT THE FEDERAL, THE FEDERAL, UH, STANDARDS WILL, WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO GET.
RIGHT? AND WE DO, WE TAKE THOSE CRITERIA AND WE APPLY THEM, AND WE DO HISTORIC DESIGN, REVIEW THE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, COME HERE TO YOUR COMMISSION TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THOSE RESOURCES.
IT'S, IT'S ALSO PRETTY SIMPLE.
UM, WE ALWAYS WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE
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PROPOSED CHANGES ARE COMPATIBLE AND APPROPRIATE.AND YOU GUYS DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF, OF ASKING QUESTIONS TODAY.
UM, I WAS SITTING THERE AND, AND GOING, OH, GOOD QUESTION, GOOD QUESTION.
LIKE, YOU GUYS HAVE, YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR EYE ON THE BALL? EXCUSE ME.
UM, AND OF COURSE, WE WANNA MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND ACROSS, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND PROPERTIES, UH, ACCORDING TO THOSE GUIDELINES.
UM, AND WE ALSO, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT A, A PUBLIC PROCESS GETS ENACTED AS WELL.
SO, UH, YOU GUYS ALREADY KNOW THIS, THESE ARE THE STEPS OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
BUT I PUT THIS UP HERE BECAUSE THIS IS A GREAT CHART, AND IT WAS FUN TO READ, AND IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CERTIFICATE OF NO EFFECT, OF COURSE, IS APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
AND THEN WHEN A PROJECT IS BIGGER, MORE EFFECTS MIGHT BE TAKE UNDERTAKEN.
UH, IT COMES TO THE COMMISSION, WHICH IN MY OPINION, AND NOT EVERY CITY DOES IT THIS WAY, SOME IN, WHEN I WAS IN MESA, UH, I WAS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER IN MESA BEFORE I, BEFORE I MOVED OVER TO THE CITY.
AND, UH, I HAD TO APPROVE ALL OF MY CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS ADMINISTRATIVELY.
UM, AND THAT MADE ME REALLY NERVOUS BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PUBLIC PROCESS, THERE WAS NO NOTIFICATION, THERE WAS NO, THE NEIGHBORS HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON.
AND, UH, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS COULD BE A BRAND NEW HOUSE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND I JUST HAD TO CROSS MY FINGERS AND SIGN THE CERTIFICATE.
SO, UH, IT'S WONDERFUL THAT, THAT THE COMMITTEE ITSELF, THAT THE, YOUR COMMISSION ITSELF HAS A HAND IN THAT PROCESS.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE NEVER SEEN IN AN ORDINANCE BEFORE, IN A PRESERVATION ORDINANCE.
CLEAR, CLEARLY STATED APPROVAL CRITERIA FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
UM, I EXCUSE THE WALL OF TEXT, BUT I REALLY COULDN'T LEAVE ANYTHING OUT.
YOU KNOW, TO THE, TO THE CRAFTERS OF THIS ORDINANCE FOR, FOR DOING SUCH A GOOD JOB.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THE, YOU GUYS HAVE, THERE'S GREAT, UH, BUZZWORDS HERE.
COMPLIMENTARY, HISTORIC CHARACTER COMPATIBLE, ADVERSE EFFECT, UM, CONFORMING WITH GUIDELINES, UM, YOU KNOW, CRITERIA, ALL THESE THINGS.
WHAT, THOUGH, MIGHT BE, I WANNA ASK YOU GUYS WHAT MIGHT BE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, MOST IMPORTANT WORD OR CLAUSE IN THIS APPROVAL CRITERIA? IT'S APPROPRIATE TO SAY AT THE TOP, BUT
ANY OTHER IDEAS? UH, IS THIS, IS THIS OBJECTIVE, OR IS IT SUBJECTIVE? THIS
THE, THE, THE MOST CRUCIAL THING IN THIS THAT SAYS SHALL INCLUDE BINGO.
THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT,
IT'S CAN BE RIGHT, OR MAYBE, UM, OR CAN BE RECOMMENDED TO, UH, APPLY THIS OR THAT, OR THIS OR THAT.
UM, BUT THERE IS NOTHING, THERE IS NOTHING MORE SOLID AND SECURE THAN A SHALL.
AND, UM, WITHOUT THAT, SHALL WE START GETTING INTO SOME TROUBLE? BECAUSE, UH, A FOR EXAMPLE, AN OPPOSING LEGAL COUNSEL COULD START SAYING THAT THESE APPROVAL CRITERIA ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS AND WE DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THEM, AND MY CLIENT IS NOT, NOT REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN, UH, KEEPING AN EYE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN PRESCOTT RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT IS PART, IT'S A HUGE PART OF WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE IS, IS THE, THE FOLKS OVER AT THE GOLDWATER INSTITUTE ARE ARGUING THAT, THAT THE, THE PRESCOTT HISTORIC PRESERVATION DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE NOT ENFORCEABLE BECAUSE THE CODE ITSELF DOES NOT SPEAK STRONGLY ENOUGH TO THEM.
SO WE'RE, THIS IS, AND THIS IS HAPPENING A LOT ALL OVER THE STATE, SO WE'RE AT KIND OF A CRITICAL MOMENT RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT YOU GUYS AGAIN, ALREADY HAVE IT IN THERE, AND I WAS SO HAPPY TO SEE THIS.
ALRIGHT, SO ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TODAY WAS, UH, SOME OTHER, SOME OTHER HOT BUTTON TOPICS, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL THEM, PARDON ME.
BUT OF COURSE, UH, WE'RE ALL AWARE, AT LEAST SOMEWHAT OF, OF THE RECENT DECISIONS MADE IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND BUT SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR.
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AND OVERALL, THEY INVOLVE THE PREEMPTION OF LOCAL ZONING CODES AND LAWS.THAT'S A REALLY GOOD WAY TO JUST KIND OF PUT YOUR ARMS AROUND IT AND START TO THINK ABOUT IT.
UM, AND THIS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AT THE, THE PLANNING CON, THE ARIZONA PLANNING CONFERENCE LAST YEAR.
THESE LAWS WERE OF COURSE, LIKE, SORT OF THE BUTT OF EVERY JOKE AND THE TOPIC OF EVERY DISCUSSION.
BUT, UH, I RAISED MY HAND AT ONE POINT AND I WAS LIKE, THIS SEEMS INSANE.
LIKE, I CAN KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHY ARIZONA MIGHT BE DOING THIS, BECAUSE WE ARE SUCH A STRONG PROPERTY RIGHTS STATE.
AND THE ATTORNEY THAT WAS GIVING THE PRESENTATION SAID, THIS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER.
THIS IS HAPPENING IN ILLINOIS, THIS IS HAPPENING IN OHIO, THIS IS HAPPENING EVERYWHERE.
UM, AND SO IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST US, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, AND WE'RE NOT UNIQUE IN THIS STRUGGLE, BUT EACH PLACE HAS GOTTA FIGURE OUT FOR THEMSELVES SORT OF HOW TO INCORPORATE THESE NEW LAWS, UM, INTO THEIR OWN LOCAL CODES.
AND, UH, THE WILLOW HISTORIC DISTRICT IN DOWNTOWN PHOENIX, THEY'RE ACTUALLY HAVING A BIG PUBLIC MEETING AT THE CENTRAL LIBRARY ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT, UH, ABOUT THESE LOCAL ORDINANCES AND HOW THEY ARE ACTIVELY GOING TO AFFECT, UH, THE CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
SO, AND THEY MADE IT ON THE NEWS.
THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN OUT THERE IN THE MEDIA ON N PR AND EVERYTHING.
SO, UH, YEAH, WE, WE THINK THAT THE EXCLUSION OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES IN THESE LAWS MAY HAVE BEEN AN OVERSIGHT.
UM, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT IS.
UH, DID HAVE YOU FOUND, UH, THE INFILL PROPERTY, UH, MOVEMENT THAT BEEN GOING ON FOR THE LAST 15 OR 20 YEARS MM-HMM
IN THESE DISTRICTS? IS THAT THE IMPETUS FOR THIS, UM, CHAIR MEYERS AND COMMISSIONER FINE.
IT, IT IS, IT IN A LOT OF WAYS, AND, UH, IN, I GUESS RIGHT HERE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, I'LL TALK ABOUT THE INFO HOUSING BILL.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD BECAUSE OF COURSE WE NEED MORE HOUSING.
OF COURSE, WE NEED MORE HOUSING.
IT'S A CRISIS IN SEDONA, IT'S A CRISIS IN FLAGSTAFF AND ALL OVER, ALL OVER THE STATE.
UM, AND INFILL IS A GOOD WAY TO, UH, IS THE BEST WAY.
WE HAVE TO PREVENT SPRAWL AND, YOU KNOW, GROW UNCHECKED URBAN GROWTH.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, THERE IS A WAY TO DO IT.
THERE IS ALWAYS A WAY TO DO IT THAT IS RESPECTFUL AND SUBORDINATE AND COMPLIANT WITH A, WITH THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON, UH, USING THIS HUGE METAL BUILDING IS AN A DU, UM, UH, WHICH ONE IN SPECIFIC? WELL, UM, I, I HEARD THAT IT WAS BEFORE THE PHOENIX PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
AND, UM, THIS WAS A SUGGESTION BY SOMEBODY WHO CAME IN.
IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE A POLE BARN OKAY.
THAT THEY WERE BRINGING TO THE TABLE FOR USE AS AN A DU UHHUH
AND, UH, SO WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THAT? WELL, UM, CHAIR MEYERS COMMISSIONER FINE.
UH, MY LIKE, FIRST HUMAN REACTION IS, AH, NO, BUT MY SECOND HISTORIC PRESERVATION REACTION QUICKLY AFTER IS, WELL, THEY'RE REPURPOSING A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, AND IF IT'S NOT BEING USED FOR ANYTHING, AND IF IT ALREADY EXISTS, IT ALREADY HAS ITS SORT OF HISTORIC STATURE IN, IN ITS CONTEXT IN ITS SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT'S AN IDEAL SITUATION TO CONVERT TO AN A DU RATHER THAN BUILDING A 25 FOOT TWO AND A HALF STORY, UH, A DU ABOVE A, A GARAGE, UH, IN THE BACK OF A PROPERTY THAT WOULD STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB.
WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, I, I THINK IT PROBABLY, UH, VIOLATES CODE.
AND, AND IN CONVERSION OF, OF PROPERTIES LIKE THAT, THEY, YOU KNOW, AT THE MINIMUM ALWAYS HAVE TO MEET, UH, THE UNDERLYING ZONING CODE, AND THEY ALWAYS HAVE TO, OF COURSE, MEET FIRE AND SAFETY AND BUILDING.
AND, AND, UH, MY TAKEAWAY IS THAT IT'S A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
IT IS ALWAYS GONNA BE A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
MAKING A DU LAWS IS FINE, UH, IF YOU WANNA DO THAT, BUT, BUT ADJUDICATING ADUS, INFILL ADUS ON, ON HISTORIC PROPERTIES IS ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE TO BE INDIVIDUALLY, UH, LOOKED AT.
IS, IS, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE ONE YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT, BUT JIM MCPHERSON MM-HMM
I, I DON'T KNOW, THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS MAY NOT HAVE SEEN THIS, BUT, AND MAYBE YOU WERE TRAVELING AND YOU DIDN'T YEAH.
IN PHOENIX, UH, DID VOTE AGAINST GRANTING THE, THE PERMIT FOR THAT.
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INTERESTING.IT WAS ON THE NEWS LAST NIGHT.
CHAIR MYERS, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE, UH, WE HAVE THESE LITTLE VICTORIES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PRESCOTT CITY COUNCIL, UM, VOTED TO DENY THE, THE PRESCOTT PLAZA WHISKEY ROW HOTEL, SO WE CAN HOPE THE PENDULUM IS SWINGING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS WE NEED INFO HOUSING, PEOPLE DON'T REALLY LIKE CHANGE THAT MUCH.
NO ONE, YOU KNOW, IT, AT THE RISK OF SOUNDING LIKE A NIMBY, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT WHAT A PROPERTY ON ROAD WANT.
BUT THAT'S, I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO LOOK UP THAT ONE.
THAT'S, THAT'S SOUNDS INTERESTING.
I COULD USE IT IN AS AN EXAMPLE IN MY FUTURE TRAININGS
UM, BUT THESE ARE, I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY GO OVER A COUPLE OF THE, THE BILLS THAT ARE NOW LAW.
UM, ONE OF THEM IS THE A DU LAW, OF COURSE.
UH, ALLOWING BY RIGHT, UH, ADUS IN SINGLE FAMILY ZONING AND, UM, MOST CRUCIALLY PROHIBITING CITIES FROM DOING ANY SORT OF DESIGN REVIEW ON THOSE ADUS, UM, WHETHER IT'S IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR NOT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE BASE ZONING SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BUILD 25 FEET IN HEIGHT IN, UH, IN THE WILLOW NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT'S SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO THERE YOU GO, YOU'RE 80, YOU CAN BE, CAN BE TWO AND A HALF STORIES 25 FEET.
AND WE CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T SUGGEST COMPATIBLE MATERIALS OR WE CAN'T SUGGEST, UH, ANY WAY TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENTIATED AND RESPECTFUL TO THE, TO THE HISTORIC PROPERTY ON ITS, UH, THAT IT'S ASSOCIATED TO.
WE, WE ALSO HOPE THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS WERE IN OVERSIGHT BECAUSE, UM, OH GOSH, I'M FORGETTING THE FIGURES.
I THINK OF ALL THE PROPERTIES IN FOR THE, I THINK THE EXAMPLE IS PHOENIX, OF ALL THE PROPERTIES IN PHOENIX THAT THIS COULD APPLY TO, THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE LESS THAN 1% OF, OF ALL THOSE PROPERTIES.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAKING AN EXEMPTION FOR HISTORIC DISTRICTS WOULD NOT BE CATASTROPHIC DETRIMENT TO THIS LAW.
UM, IT, IT WOULD BE ALMOST NEGLIGIBLE.
AND IF I COULD JUST ADD A SIDE NOTE, I, I DID READ AN ARTICLE ABOUT THAT, AND, UM, PHOENIX HAS A HISTORIC, HISTORIC, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD MM-HMM
AND THE ARGUMENT WAS THAT PEOPLE BUY HERE FOR THAT REASON.
AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA ALLOW INFILL MM-HMM
TO NOT MEET, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE HERE.
SO DEFINITELY VERY INTERESTING, UH, UH, UH, FIGHT AHEAD, I BELIEVE.
I, THE DAY AFTER THIS GOT PASSED, UH, MY BOSS AND I CALLED, UH, HELENA RUDER, THE PHOENIX PRESERVATION OFFICER, AND SHE WAS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA DO.
SHE WAS PANICKING AND, AND RIGHTLY SO.
UM, SAME THING FOR THE INFILL HOUSING BILL.
UM, I THINK I SAID THIS WRONG, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SAY IT ABBREVIATED, BUT, BUT IT, THE, THE, THE, THE GREATEST LOT SIZE THAT CAN BE REQUIRED IS 4,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS MINI.
AND IN A PLACE LIKE SEDONA, I, I CAN'T IMAGINE YOU HAVE ANY 4,000 SQUARE FEET, RESIDENTIAL LOTS, UM, THAT AREN'T MANUFACTURED HOMES.
IN TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.
SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S A HUGE CHANGE OF CHARACTER TO, TO HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS, ANY EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD IN A PLACE LIKE SEDONA.
UM, SMALL HOMES BEING APPROVED BY RIGHT.
AND ONCE AGAIN, NO DESIGN STANDARDS, REQUIREMENTS.
CITIES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO IMPLY QUALITY DESIGN GUIDELINES OR, UM, EVEN, EVEN CONSIDER DESIGN AT ALL WHEN, WHEN APPROVING NEW DEVELOPMENT.
BUT DON'T PANIC YET, BECAUSE THIS IS A, THESE WERE ONLY MEANT FOR OR ARE ONLY ENFORCEABLE IN POPULATION CENTERS WITH 75,000 PEOPLE.
AND A SEDONA HAS LIKE 9,000 SOMETHING POPULATIONS.
SO WE'RE SAFE
UM, UNFORTUNATELY THIS ONE, YOU ARE NOT.
UM, AND I HADN'T ACTUALLY READ THROUGH THIS BILL UNTIL THIS MORNING WHEN I WAS FINISHING MY SLIDES.
SO THEY'RE CALLING IT, OF COURSE, THE HOMEOWNER'S RIGHT.
AND, UH, THEY'RE DOING THIS IN THE NAME OF INCREASING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT IN ANY OF THESE BILLS, THERE IS NOT ONE REFERENCE TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, NOT ONE.
IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT IT WAS DEVELOPERS THAT WAS ABLE, THAT WERE ABLE TO GET INTO THE EARS OF THE LEGISLATORS, LEGISLATORS, UM, TO MOVE THEIR AGENDA FORWARD.
AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THEY JUST KNEW THAT IT WOULD SOUND GOOD IF THEY CALLED IT THAT.
SO YEAH, THESE, UH, THIS ONE HAS
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FOUR MAIN COMPONENTS.UH, THE AD LEGALIZATION, ONCE AGAIN, THAT PREEMPTED PREEMPTION OF ANY LOCAL ZONING OR CONTROL.
THIS ONE IS AN INTERESTING ONE.
IT OVERRIDES HOAS AND EXISTING CCNRS.
UM, AND, AND ELIMINATES THOSE DESIGN REVIEW REQUIREMENTS.
SO, UM, FIRST IT DOES ALLOW AT LEAST ONE A DU BY RIGHT.
I, AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS DRIVING HERE.
I BELIEVE IT HAS TO BE A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PUT AN A DU ON YOUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
UH, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE THOUGH.
I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT ONE, BUT AT LEAST ONE.
UM, AND EVEN IF THE BASE ZONING IS STRICTLY SINGLE FAMILY AND DOESN'T ALLOW IT ALL FOR MULTIPLE UNITS ON A SINGLE LOT, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PREEMPTION, UH, A CANCELLATION OF A LOCAL CITY'S ABILITY TO CONTROL THEIR OWN ZONING, JUST FLAT OUT, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THE TWILIGHT ZONE, HONESTLY, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A, A HISTORIC PRECEDENT FOR BUILDING, UH, RESIDENTS ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
AND THAT ALL OCCURRED WITH, UM, THESE LARGE STORAGE UNIT BUILDINGS.
AND, UM, SOME CITIES ALLOWED IT IN INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY.
BUT ALSO OTHERS HAVE ALLOWED IT NOW IN, UH, C ONE, C TWO.
SO THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR THAT.
IT'S INTERESTING, THAT'S, YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO KEEP YOUR EYES OUT FOR, FOR LITTLE TIDBITS LIKE THAT, THAT CAN MAKE, MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
UM, AND THAT PREEMPTION OF LOCAL CONTROL, RIGHT? CITIES CANNOT PROHIBIT IT.
ADUS, OR WHAT THE BILL SAYS, MODEST USES THE WORD MODEST DOES NOT DEFINE THE WORD MODEST.
SO AGAIN, ADMINISTRATIVELY, THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE APPROVED NO MATTER WHAT.
UM, AND, AND THESE, THESE ADDITIONS, THESE ADUS CANNOT REQUIRE NOT ONLY DESIGN REVIEW, BUT THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR NOTIFICATION.
THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR ANY SORT OF NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATION, LET ALONE CONSENT.
SO IT REALLY, IT REALLY IS STARTING TO FEEL A LITTLE SCARY AT THIS POINT.
YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE NO IDEA.
ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA UNTIL CONSTRUCTION STARTS IF THEY DIDN'T, FOR SOME REASON HEAR THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING.
SO WE'RE NOTED FOR RALLYING THE GROUP TROOPS AND STOPPING THINGS.
I HOPE THIS CAN HAPPEN HERE AGAIN.
AND SOME OF THESE CCNRS ARE 60 OR 70 YEARS OLD IN SOME PLACES.
UH, IT'S, THEY, THEY'RE HISTORIC IN AND OF THEMSELVES.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IF, IF A CNR SAYS THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY, UM, SUBDIVISION, AND, YOU KNOW, WE CANNOT HAVE MORE THAN ONE DWELLING UNIT A LOT, IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE.
PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD THEIR A DU.
UM, IT RETROACTIVELY APPLIES TO THOSE CCNRS AND THOSE HOAS THAT ARE 60 AND 70 YEARS OLD.
SO NOT JUST FOR NEW, NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT, BUT IT BLANKETS ALL OF THE EXISTING ONES AS WELL.
UM, AND THIS IS, THIS IS THE, WHAT I, WHAT I WAS READING, IT SAID, THERE'S AN EXCEPTION FOR LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC OVERLAYS WITH DESIGN CRITERIA.
I, I WANNA, I HOPE THAT THAT'S TRUE.
I FEEL LIKE IT MIGHT BE, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING IN ME THAT KIND OF REMEMBERS WHEN THIS WAS GOING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE, THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE.
I, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS TRUE.
AND SO HERE IS KIND OF THE ONE LITTLE SAVING GRACE THAT CGS MIGHT HAVE, IS THEY HAVE THEIR ORDINANCE.
UM, AND IF YOU'VE GOT THOSE SHELLS IN YOUR ORDINANCE, THE SHELLS ARE COMPULSORY TO ACTIVATE THAT DESIGN CRITERIA.
UM, SO THIS, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE AN IMPETUS TO START DESIGNATING MORE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS WITH THAT HISTORIC ZONING OVERLAY.
UM, IF PROPERTY OWNERS ARE, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU KNOW, IN MANY PLACES IN IN THE STATE SAY, I DON'T WANNA BE A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA PUT TOO MANY CONTROLS ON MY PROPERTY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER WE WANT, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THE THINGS WE WANT TO IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
BUT THIS IS SORT OF A, SORT OF A MUDDLED CIRCLE AS, AND A WAY TO MAYBE GET FOLKS BACK THERE TO SAY, LOOK, LIKE IF YOU REALLY WANT TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T TURN INTO A MULTIFAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, HERE'S A WAY TO DO IT.
WE CAN, WE HAVE OUR HISTORIC CHARACTER AND WE CAN TAKE STEPS TO PRESERVE IT RIGHT NOW.
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AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S JUST NO DESIGN REQUIREMENTS ANYMORE.SO THEY, AS IF THERE ARE AESTHETIC AND ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, THEY MUST BE LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE, UH, AND OBJECTIVELY AND LEGALLY UNIFORMLY APPLIED, OR NOT AT ALL, WHICH IS A REALLY WEIRD WAY TO SAY THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WORDED IT LIKE THAT.
UH, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT COULD BE NECESSARILY DEFENSIBLE IN, UH, IN A COURT.
UH, AND, UM, CITIES HAD ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS TO AMEND THEIR, UH, ZONING ORDINANCES TO, TO FOLLOW THESE LAWS.
UM, AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DONE BY THE FIRST OF THIS YEAR.
SO IT'S STILL REALLY FRESH, AND WE WILL JUST HAVE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS, UNFORTUNATELY.
AND, AND LIKE I SAY HERE, THE CONSEQUENCES, OF COURSE, ARE NOT JUST FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES, BUT IN A PLACE LIKE SEDONA, THE WHOLE TOWN, BECAUSE OF ITS PREVALENCE OF SINGLE FAMILY ZONING AND, AND REAL, UM, LIKE PART OF YOUR VALUES ARE THOSE DESIGN CRITERIA AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AS THEY SHOULD BE.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NOT REALLY.
UM, THERE'S ALWAYS A POINT IN MY TRAININGS WHERE LIKE, IT GETS SAD AND THEN I TRY TO MAKE IT HAPPY AGAIN.
UM, AND OKAY, HERE'S ANOTHER SAD ONE, RIGHT? SO, SORRY GUYS, WE'RE NOT ON THAT UPSWING YET.
UM, THIS IS THE ONE I WAS GONNA WONDER ABOUT.
SO, UH, THINGS ON TOP OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE STATE LEVEL, UM, THE FEDERAL THINGS ARE A MESS, A MESS.
UM, IN A LOT OF WAYS, IT'S SORT OF A MIRACLE THAT I'M EVEN HERE RIGHT NOW, AND THAT I EVEN HAVE MY JOB, UH, AND THAT OUR OFFICE STILL EXISTS.
UM, OUR, OUR FUNDING COMES, THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE FUNDING COMES FROM A FEDERAL GRANT.
AND, UH, STATES ARE BY AND LARGE SUPPOSED TO BE MATCHING THAT MONEY, UM, TO FUND THEIR SHIPPO'S, BUT ARIZONA DOES NOT.
AND SO WE OPERATE A SHOESTRING BUDGET IS NOT EVEN, UM, A GOOD WAY TO DESCRIBE HOW THINLY STAFFED WE ARE.
UM, AND REALLY JUST THE POTENTIAL WE COULD HAVE IF, IF WE HAD THE RESOURCES THAT WE NEEDED.
SO, UM, AND THIS YEAR, UH, OF COURSE WE HEARD ABOUT CANCELING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NEW ADMINISTRATION CANCELING ALL FEDERAL GRANTS JUST AS A BLANKET.
SO THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED TO NOT BE ABLE TO BREATHE AT THAT POINT.
AND THEN THIS WHOLE SUMMER, UM, OUR FUNDING WAS IMPOUNDED, UH, BY THE, BY THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET BETWEEN THE MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET AND THE, THE NEW PARK SERVICE DIRECTOR, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE DIRECTOR.
UM, AND WE DIDN'T, WE, WE WERE LOOKING AT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO MONTHS BEFORE WE WEREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO PAY SALARY ANYMORE.
UM, AND, UH, WE PETITIONED THE LEGISLATURE FOR, FOR SOME ASSISTANCE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD, UH, BEFORE THE GREAT RECESSION IN 2008.
WE DID GET SOME GENERAL FUND, UH, MONEY TO DO A LOT OF THOSE SURVEYS IN THE, IN THE EIGHTIES AND NINETIES.
SO, UH,
IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE SUB $2 MILLION.
UM, BUT IT COULDN'T BE SPARED THIS YEAR, UNFORTUNATELY.
SO WE GOT, WE GOT A WEIRD CLAUSE IN WHICH STATE PARKS COULD DECIDE IF THEY POTENTIALLY WANTED TO, TO SPEND SOME MONEY ON US.
BUT, UH, AT THE, AT THE 11TH HOUR, UH, THE IMPOUNDED FUNDS GOT RELEASED, SO WE'LL BE OKAY, DEFINITELY UNTIL THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, HOPEFULLY UNTIL NEXT SUMMER.
BUT AFTER THAT, UM, THE PROPOSED BUZZ BUDGET FROM, FROM THE PRESIDENT COMPLETELY ZEROED OUT ALL HISTORIC PRESERVATION FUNDS.
SO, YEAH, IT'S, UM, IT'S SCARY.
AND WE ALWAYS WERE GRATEFUL THAT WE WERE FEDERALLY FUNDED BECAUSE STATE FUNDING IS SO VOLATILE.
UM, AND NOW ALL FUNDING IS VOLATILE.
SO, UH, BUT, AND, AND HONESTLY, THE, THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT WOULD BE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY GRANT FUNDING TO PASS THROUGH TO THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
UM, AND THAT'S HOW WE FUND SURVEYS AND NEW HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND, UM, NEW HISTORIC PRESERVATION MASTER PLANS AND, UH, ARCHITECTURAL STUDIES OF, OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT NEED REPAIR.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THAT FEDERAL MONEY, NOT ONLY WOULD THE CGS JUST BE SORT OF LEFT TO THEMSELVES 'CAUSE I WOULDN'T EXIST ANYMORE, BUT, UM, THERE WOULDN'T, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY FUNDING TO REALLY BACK UP THE REASON THAT YOU, THAT WE BECOME CGS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO AMIDST A VERY UNCERTAIN FEDERAL FUTURE.UM, OF COURSE, SOME OF THESE THINGS COST MONEY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, CREATING NEW HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND CONTINUING TO SURVEY.
UM, BUT SOME THINGS DON'T, RIGHT? IT, IT IS POSSIBLE TO, TO SORT OF STRENGTHEN AND GET A FEW MORE SHELLS INTO YOUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE.
UM, AND, UH, WORK ON CODIFYING THAT, YOU KNOW, ENSUING DESIGN CRITERIA, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION INCENTIVES, LOCAL INCENTIVES HAVE BECOME INTERESTING.
UH, QUITE A FEW CGS ARE DOING, UH, COMP NOT COMPREHENSIVE, BUT THEY'RE CODIFYING ADAPTIVE REUSE PROGRAMS. AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES, IT'S FOR ANY UNDERUSED, UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR X AMOUNT OF TIME.
UM, AND THEY, THEY GET THINGS LIKE TAX INCENTIVES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET FAST TRACKED THROUGH PERMITTING IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE BRINGING A NEW BUILDING BACK, UH, AN OLD BUILDING BACK IN INTO SERVICE, UM, YOU KNOW, MINIMIZE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN WORK WITH BUILDING TO MAYBE SEE WHERE SOME AREAS, UH, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE STICKY CAN, CAN GET MASSAGED, UH, OF COURSE TO KEEP EVERYONE SAFE.
BUT, UM, IT IS POSSIBLE TO KIND OF INCENTIVIZE THESE PROPERTIES, AND ESPECIALLY IN A PLACE LIKE SEDONA, WHERE IT TAKES A LOT OF MONEY TO, TO REOPEN A VACANT BUILDING.
UM, SO, SO SOME ADAPTIVE REUSE PROGRAMS ARE HAPPENING THERE.
UM, MITIGATION STRATEGIES IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IS MY NEW 2025, UH, MANTRA IDEA.
AND THAT IS WHEN WE KNOW, AND A LOT OF THE, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS COME ABOUT REALLY RECENTLY WHEN WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA LOSE A PROPERTY, RIGHT? SEDONA HAS WONDERFUL GUIDELINES FOR ARCHITECTURAL DOCUMENTATION BEFORE DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC PROPERTY THAT ONLY, THE ONLY OTHER PLACE THAT EXISTS IS IN TUCSON.
REALLY, NO ONE ELSE HAS TO DO THAT.
SO, UH, FLAGSTAFF SORT OF HAS SOMETHING LIKE IT, BUT, BUT IT'S NOT AS STRONG AS YOU GUYS.
SO, UM, WHEN WE KNOW, WHEN WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA LOSE A PROPERTY, RIGHT? AND WE KNOW THAT, UH, ESPECIALLY IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE LOSING IT TO A DEVELOPER WITH A LOT OF RESOURCES AND, YOU KNOW, NOT A LOT OF CARE FOR HISTORIC PROPERTY, UM, WE CAN ALREADY HAVE SOME MITIGATION STRATEGIES IN OUR BACK POCKET, RIGHT? AND THE MITIGATION COULD LOOK LIKE ANYTHING FROM REQUIRING THE DEVELOPER TO SALVAGE THE BUILDING MATERIALS SO THEY CAN BE REUSED OR, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, DONATED TO, TO FOLKS WHO ARE RESTORING A A BUILDING OF SIMILAR AGE OR, UH, HISTORIC QUALITIES.
THEY CAN, MITIGATION STRATEGIES CAN BE, YOU KNOW, DETAILED DOCUMENTATION AND MAYBE A, AN EXHIBIT IN CITY HALL OF THE HIS, OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND THE HISTORIC, UM, AND THE HISTORIC PICTURES OF, OF THAT RESOURCE BEFORE IT GOES.
UH, IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, HIRING A CONSULTANT TO COME AND TEACH A CLASS AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
UH, IT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
IT CAN EVEN GO AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH, UM, LARGE UTILITIES LIKE MINES AND SRP, WE GO SO FAR AS TO SAY WE ARE GONNA ESTABLISH A REVOLVING FUND FOR PROPERTY OWNERS WHO NEED HELP FOR STORING THEIR PROPERTIES.
AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S A ZERO INTEREST LOAN, OR MAYBE IT'S A SMALL GRANT PROGRAM.
SO ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, AND MITIGATION IS GONNA START, OF COURSE, BECOMING INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT, UM, AS LEGAL SUPPORT FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION DIMINISHES
UH, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WAS SORT OF ASKED TO, TO DISCUSS IS THE PROCESS OF LANDMARKING, BUT, UM, YOU GUYS ARE, YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY EXPERTS IN THAT, OF COURSE.
ONCE AGAIN, UH, THE FACT THAT THE PUBLIC IS INVOLVED, THE FACT THAT THE HPC IS INVOLVED, I THINK EVEN FOR A HISTORIC, FOR A HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT, IT DOES NEED TO GET APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
AND IT'S WONDERFUL TO GET THAT SORT OF PUBLIC FACE TIME WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S GOOD PRESS OR BAD PRESS, PEOPLE START HEARING THE WORDS HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
UM, AND SOMETIMES THAT CAN ALWAYS BE A GOOD THING.
SO, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY SEEING, UH, A CITY COUNCIL DEMONSTRATE THEIR SUPPORT FOR A NEW HISTORIC DISTRICT IS GREAT PUBLICITY.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PRESENT IT TO THEM AS, THESE ARE GONNA BE THE NEW RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED ON THESE PROPERTIES, THEY MIGHT NOT LOVE IT, BUT WHEN YOU START TALKING TO 'EM ABOUT PRESERVING SEDONAS CHARACTER, MAKING SURE SEDONA STAYS RECOGNIZABLE TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE FOR THEIR WHOLE LIVES, MAKING SURE THAT THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE HAVE IN SEDONA GETS TO CONTINUE AND, AND CONTINUE TO IMPROVE, THEN THEY START THINKING, OH, YEAH, NO, WE DON'T.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON PEOPLE COME TO SEDONA, IS BECAUSE OF THE ESSENCE OF SEDONA.
IF IT STARTS CHANGING, IF WE START LOSING IT, WE START LOSING DOLLARS, WE START LOSING TOURISM.
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SPIN IS ALWAYS, IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT.AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING I'M ALWAYS, ALWAYS ABLE TO COME AND HELP YOU GUYS WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN NEEDING TO PRESENT A COUNSELOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND, UH, THE, THE LAST THING IS THIS LAST THING.
THE, THE LAST THING THAT, UM, I WAS ASKED TO TOUCH ON WAS SORT OF WHAT ARE THE OTHER THINGS THAT SUCCESSFUL CGS AROUND THE STATE ARE DOING? UM, AND I PUT A COUPLE OF THEM UP HERE.
UH, COTTONWOOD HAS A ROBUST HISTORIC HOME TOUR.
IT'S HIGH DOLLAR TICKET SALES AND PROPERTY OWNERS ARE CLAMORING TO, TO GET THEIR PROPERTY ON THE HOME TOUR.
AND, YOU KNOW, COTTONWOOD IS COTTONWOOD, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT, IT'S GOT TOURISM, IT'S GOT WINE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS SORT OF, THE HOME TOUR SORT OF EXPLODES THE CITY FOR THAT WEEK THAT IT'S HAPPENING.
UM, THEY DO IT DURING HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, WHICH IS MAY.
SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR EVENTS AND LECTURES.
UH, FLAGSTAFF DOES A HISTORY HAPPY HOUR EVERY MONTH.
AND SO PEOPLE GATHER AT A BAR, UM, AND ENJOY THEMSELVES, HAVE SOME LIBATIONS LISTEN TO A PRESENTATION ABOUT FLAGSTAFF HISTORY.
UH, THERE'S HISTORIC BINGO THEY DO SOMETIMES.
UM, SCOTTSDALE DOES WHAT THEY CALL IT, NEIGHBORHOOD COLLEGE, AND IT'S JUST A SERIES OF HOMEOWNER EDUCATION, UH, ACTIVITIES AND, AND LECTURES, UM, FROM EVERYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, HOW TO WRITE NEW CCNRS FOR YOUR HOA HA.
BUT ALL THE WAY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYMORE.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR HISTORIC PROPERTY? AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE CATTLE TRACK COMPOUND AND JUST HAVE A FUN TOUR.
AND SO THESE THINGS SELL OUT SUPER QUICKLY.
UH, NOT SELL, BUT THEY FILL UP SUPER QUICKLY.
UM, AND I JUST LOVE, I LOVE THE IDEA OF NEIGHBORHOOD COLLEGE.
UM, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC WALKING TOURS OR DRIVING TOURS ARE ALWAYS FUN, YOU KNOW, SELF-GUIDED, JUST IT'S EASY TO MAKE A BROCHURE AND, UM, LIST THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES, THE ONES THAT ARE PUBLICLY VISIBLE, A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, PUT THEIR BROCHURES IN LOCAL BUSINESSES SO PEOPLE AROUND TOWN, YOU KNOW, SEE THE BEAUTIFUL MAIN STREET.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE SO MANY MORE HISTORIC PROPERTIES IN SEDONA.
UM, A LEGACY BUSINESS PROGRAM IS ALSO FUN, RIGHT? RECOGNIZING BUSINESSES, UH, IN THAT HAVE BEEN OPERATING IN SEDONA FOR 30, 40, 50 YEARS.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT CAN BE REALLY NICELY TAILORED TO A SPECIFIC CITY.
I'M WORKING WITH SAN LUIS RIGHT NOW, UH, DOWN THE VERY, VERY, VERY SOUTHWEST TIP OF ARIZONA.
TO, TO, TO RECOGNIZE THEIR, IT IS, IT'S A BORDER TOWN.
TO, TO RECOGNIZE THEIR LEGACY BUSINESS.
'CAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM.
UM, AND THAT DRIVES IS ALSO ANOTHER BROCHURE AND MAYBE AN AWARDS PROGRAM.
AND THAT DRIVES A LOT OF COMMERCE TO THESE BUSINESSES THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT HOPEFULLY ARE NOT, BUT MIGHT BE STRUGGLING.
UM, SKILLS WORKSHOPS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS COME AND DO AN ADOBE WORKSHOP OR A WINDOW EDUCATION LESSON OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, MASONRY IDENTIFICATION, WHATEVER MIGHT BE FUN OR USEFUL FOR SEDONA.
UM, STORY MAPS ARE REALLY COOL FOR FOLKS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE, DON'T LIVE HERE OR MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THEIR HOUSES AS EASILY.
UM, CAMP NACO JUST DID AN AWARD-WINNING STORY MAP, WHICH IS A, A COMBINATION OF A GA CLICKABLE GIS MAP THAT'S PUBLISHED TO THE WEB WITH NARRATIVE PICTURES, VIDEOS AND HISTORIC CONTEXT TO SORT OF ZOOM IN AND AROUND WITH IT.
SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
UM, THIS IS, IT'S OVERWHELMING.
UM, IT'S A LOT OF WORK FOR STAFF, ESPECIALLY WHO ALREADY HAVE FULL-TIME JOBS,
SO, UM, THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE SLIDES I HAVE.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I, I ALWAYS SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER I COME TO A NEW COMMISSION, THIS IS MY INTRO AND, UH, NOW I'M READY TO COME BACK AND GIVE YOU ANY SORT OF SPECIALIZED TRAINING YOU MIGHT NEED, IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF TOPIC GOING ON, OR IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO, YOU KNOW, OR IF YOU'VE GOT A TRICKY CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, I CAN COME AND, AND WALK, HELP WALK YOU GUYS THROUGH IT IF YOU'D LIKE.
UH, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN'T GIVE YOU A LOT OF MONEY, BUT I CAN GIVE YOU EXPERTISE, MORAL SUPPORT, UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST BE ABLE TO HELP WHEREVER I CAN.
UH, THIS IS A THANKLESS JOB IN SOME WAYS, RIGHT? IT, LIKE I SAID, IT GETS EMOTIONAL.
UM, AND, UH, YOU GUYS DO THIS OF YOUR OWN TIME, YOU VOLUNTEER YOURSELVES.
UH, IT'S NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK, SO I ALWAYS WANNA SORT OF PANDER TO YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT AND SAY, THANK YOU FOR, FOR DOING THIS.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY, THANK YOU.
UM, AT THE CONFERENCE LAST YEAR MM-HMM
UH, THERE WAS A SLIDE OF A STANDING FACADE.
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AND THEN THEY BUILT BEHIND IT MM-HMMAND THEY INCORPORATED THE FACADE IN THE ARCHITECTURE OH, YES.
ARE YOU STILL DOING THAT
THAT WE CONSIDER ONE OF OUR LAST RESORTS, UHHUH
IT'S AT THE END, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE VERY END IS RELOCATING A BUILDING OR, YOU KNOW, PRESERVING WHATEVER VESTIGE OF IT WE CAN MM-HMM
UM, SO A, A FACADE ME WOULD, WOULD BE ALL THE WAY AT THAT END.
IT, IT IS CONSIDERED BETTER THAN NOTHING, BUT JUST A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN OH, I WAS IMPRESSED ACTUALLY.
AND THIS WAS A GIANT BUILDING THAT WAS NOT IN GOOD CONDITION, AND THERE WAS NO, THERE WERE NO RESOURCES TO RESTORE THE BUILDING.
AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THIS IS BEFORE MY TIME, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO PUT THE SENIORS INTO THE EXISTING BUILDING.
AND SO, UM, THEY, THEY PRESERVED TWO, I THINK TWO OF THE FACADES.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY BUILT ABOVE IT AND AROUND IT, UM, DIDN'T WIN ANY AWARDS, BUT, UH, IT'S A, IT'S AN INTERESTING EXAMPLE.
IT'S A, A GOOD, UM, BRAIN TEASER, CERTAINLY
UM, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? THANKS FOR COMING.
I CAME TO MIND, ONE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS HERE, UM, IN THE ROOM.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU ARE ALL AWARE THAT I WENT AHEAD AND I DID CREATE A, A DRIVING TOUR, UM, COOL.
OF OUR LANDMARK PROPERTIES ON THE, UH, THE CLIO.COM, THE CLIO.COM, WHICH IS A WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN CREATE WALKING AND DRIVING TOURS.
UM, AND SO ACTUALLY OUR, UM, OUR DRIVING TOUR WE WENT ON BACK IN MAY, UM, WAS BASED ON THAT ROUTE THAT I'D ALREADY PUT TOGETHER FOR THAT.
YEAH, I'LL COME AND DO IT MYSELF ONE DAY.
AND THEN, UH, THAT'S NICE BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT LIKE, UH, VARIOUS LEVELS OF INFORMATION.
SO LIKE, JUST TOP LINE INFORMATION, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT GONNA READ VERY MUCH, LIKE, HERE'S A SENTENCE OR TWO ABOUT WHY THIS IMPORTANT.
OR YOU CAN PUT PICTURES, YOU CAN PUT LINKS, YOU CAN PUT VIDEO.
SO IT'S, UH, YOU SEE THE MAP AND EVERYTHING.
SO, AND SEE HOW IT RELATES AS WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT HOW THINGS RELATE TO ONE ANOTHER.
UH, SEE HOW SOME OF THOSE RELATE TO, TO, UM, OTHER LIKE MEDO HOUSES, FOR INSTANCE.
UM, AND WHERE THEY'RE IN THE COMMUNITY.
THE OTHER THING I WANNA SAY IS, UM, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF CAME INTO HISTORIC PRESERVATION, TOTALLY BLIND
THAT'S OFTEN HOW IT COMES TO IT.
IT WAS A BIT OF A CRASH COURSE COMING HERE.
MY FIRST FEW MEETINGS, UH, UH, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER FEENEY WAS THE ONLY ONE, OH MY GOSH.
ON THE COMMISSION CURRENTLY, WHO'S IN THE ROOM? WHO IS, WHO'S HERE FOR SOME OF THOSE, I'VE BEEN MISPRONOUNCING YOUR NAME, FORGIVE ME, BUT THAT'S ALRIGHT.
I ALWAYS HAVE TO REMEMBER MR. FEENEY.
UM, I'VE SAID IT WRONG TOO,
UM, AND I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH, WITH THE IDEA THAT YOU PRESENTED TODAY TOO, WHICH IS MANAGING CHANGE, WOULD YOU SAY MANAGING CHANGE, NOT FREEZING IN TIME.
UM, AND, AND THAT REALLY STRUCK ME AS AN IMPORTANT WAY TO APPROACH, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE WERE TRYING TO FREEZE THE, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE TODAY MM-HMM
IF WE HAD BEEN TRYING TO FREEZE IN TIME, THE, THE, UM, THE RANGER STATION AND THE BARN, LIKE NONE OF THOSE THINGS WOULD'VE BEEN APPROVED.
AND, BUT WE'RE ALL RECOGNIZING THAT IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THOSE BUILDINGS FOR NEXT GENERATIONS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE 'EM A LITTLE BIT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE.
UM, AND SO I, I APPRECIATE THAT MANTRA.
COMING FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION WORLD.
THANK YOU FOR APPRECIATING IT,
UM, IF, IF NO, IT IS, I WAS, IF ONE'S NEW TO THIS FOR SURE.
YEAH, I WAS, I WAS SHOCKED BY THE NUANCE IN THAT.
WELL, IN WHAT, UH, A COUPLE OF US ARE DOING, ARE DOING SOME NEW SURVEYS.
SO BOTH FIGHTS ARE STARTING TO COME INTO BOBBY, COMMISSIONER, BOBBY WOODS AND MYSELF HAVE BEEN OUT AND FANTASTIC.
WE'VE GOT SIX THAT WE'VE SURVEYED.
AND WE THINK, I'M HOPING THREE
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WILL BE LANDMARKED, BUT FANTASTIC.WE GOT A BIT A PROCESS HOPEFULLY.
SO PLEASE, UM, PLEASE SEND US THE DOCUMENTATION AFTER IT'S BEEN FINALIZED AND WE WILL PUT IT IN OUR STATEWIDE DATABASE.
SO IT'S, UH, ON THE BOOKS OFFICIALLY, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.
WITH THE GOOD THOUGHTS COMING.
THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, A NEW HISTORIC LANDMARK OVERLAY IS SORT OF FEW AND FAR BETWEEN THESE DAYS IN ARIZONA.
SO, UM, TO BE ABLE TO GET THE PROPERTY OWNERS EXCITED AND, AND REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A GOOD THING, NOT A BAD THING IS, IS A GREAT FEAT.
THE INFORMATION WAS JUST CRAZY
BUT THE, UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE FOLKS THAT ARE INVOLVED SEEM, ARE AMAZING.
AND AND YOU ALSO HAD SOME NICE AWARDS AS PART OF THAT WHOLE DEAL YEAH.
OF FOLKS THAT HAVE WORKED HARD ON PROJECTS AND THEY'VE COME TO FRUITION.
SO, SO I'M JUST BET I'M DOUBLING UP ON THAT.
WE, WE WILL NOT BE HAVING A 2026 CONFERENCE, UM, OH, DUE TO THE PLETHORA OF UNCERTAINTY AND, UH, BUDGET CHALLENGES.
BUT WE WILL BE HAVING SOMETHING.
THERE WILL BE, I I, I HAVE TO DO A CLG TRAINING EVERY YEAR, SO THERE WILL BE ONE
UM, BUT IT'S, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A, A CONFERENCE IN, IN THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
WE'RE HOPING, YOU KNOW, IN 27 THINGS CAN, CAN RETURN TO NORMAL.
BUT, UH, AND, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA BE DOING AWARDS AS WELL, THOSE GOVERNOR'S PRESERVATION AWARDS.
SO, UH, THE WORK THAT WAS DONE DURING COVID MM-HMM
UH, I WATCHED THE WHOLE PRESENTATION ON THE BARRIO DOWN IN, UM, IN TUCSON MM-HMM
AND I WAS TOTALLY UNAWARE THAT THAT WAS EVEN THERE.
AND, AND SEEING IT ONLINE, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS WELL DONE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WONDERFUL TO HEAR BECAUSE COVID, YOU KNOW, WAS, WERE SETBACKS FOR US JUST AS, JUST AS MUCH AS, YOU KNOW, EVERY OTHER FIELD AND, AND, UH, AREA OF PLANNING AND STUDY.
SO THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK.
I WILL, I WILL LET THOSE FOLKS KNOW.
AND I THINK BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THANKS FOR COMING AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED IT IS THANKLESS HERE, IT'S THANKLESS WORK THAT YOU DO TOO.
AND, BUT THE FOLKS UP HERE ON THE DAY IS, UH, AND CERTAINLY, UH, STAFF HERE, REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU, UM, AND CHIPO DO.
I, I AM LUCKY THAT, UH, THE COMMISSIONS THAT I GO TO, MUCH LIKE YOURS ARE FULL OF KIND AND SMART, AND PEOPLE THAT, THAT ARE, ARE HAPPY FOR ME TO COME AND VISIT THEM.
SO, UH, IT, I GET THANKED SOMETIMES, SO I APPRECIATE IT.
WELL ON THOSE, UH, AFTER, UH, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, WHEN WE ADJOURN, WE'RE ADJOURNING TO THE, UH, GOLDEN GOOSE RESTAURANT FOR DINNER.
SO ALL OF YOU HOPEFULLY WILL JOIN
STEVE, YOU, YOU'RE ALL COMING NOW.
I HAVE TO SAY IT'S ON YOUR OWN DIME.
YOURS IS NOT, EXCUSE IS PAID FOR, BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE EVERYBODY.
UM, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, UM, I WANTED TO LET ARIANA KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE MONEY BUDGETED TO UPDATE OUR SURVEY.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF WHAT'S BUDGETED WILL BE ENOUGH, EVERYTHING HELPS, BUT, UH, ABSOLUTELY.
BUT, UH, THAT IS, UH, PART OF WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS COMMISSION.
THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT IS INSTITUTIONAL SUPPORT FROM ALL THE WAY AT THE TOP OF THE CITY OF SEDONA.
UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING, PUTTING THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS AND, AND REALLY BEING WILLING TO SPEND SOME DOLLARS ON PRESERVATION.
UH, WHOEVER FOUGHT FOR THAT IN THE BUDGET, THAT'S COMMISSIONER WOODS AND MYSELF.
THAT'S, WE CAN SUBMIT A BILL FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO, UM, YEAH, PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW THAT GOES AND, UM, WHERE IT GOES.
AND JUST BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT YOU GUYS EVERY TIME.
IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO HEAR, UM, FROM SHIPPO TOO ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I THINK I, I'VE BEEN BEATING THAT DRUM, UM, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION THAT MM-HMM
UM, THAT SURVEY'S 11 YEARS OLD AND LIKE, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UH, BUT TO ME, I'M LIKE, YEAH.
I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING AT A COMMUNITY THAT, UM, WENT THROUGH A TREMENDOUS GROWTH SPURT, MUCH LIKE ALL THE COMMUNITIES IN ARIZONA.
WENT THROUGH A TREMENDOUS GROWTH SPURT IN THE FIFTIES, SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES.
AND SO NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT, IN THE LAST 11 YEARS MM-HMM
WE'RE LOOKING AT IN A COMMUNITY OUR SIZE, DOZENS OF OF STRUCTURES
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ABSOLUTELY.WHICH NOW HAVE PASSED THAT 50 YEAR THRESHOLD.
AND AT THE VERY LEAST, WE NEED TO PUT A SURVEY TO THEM SO THAT WE KNOW THE FULL UNIVERSE OF, OF A HUNDRED PERCENT THOSE STRUCTURES.
WE JUST SAID, IT'S JOB SECURITY IN PRESERVATION WORLD, NEW BUILDINGS.
WELL, AND ALSO TOO, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY MM-HMM
AND I'M, I'M BEING PICKY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO WITH WHO'S, WHO DEVELOPED IT, OF COURSE.
IS THIS SOMEBODY, WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE? MM-HMM
WHEREAS BEFORE WE ONLY HAD 20, AND I WAS LIKE, WE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, CAREFUL ON WHO WE ARE DOING.
BUT, UM, WE ARE, BECAUSE OUR FEDERAL FUNDING WAS RELEASED TO US, WE DO HAVE CLG MATCHING GRANTS AVAILABLE FOR THIS YEAR.
SO, UM, IF, YEAH, IF YOU GUYS ARE, ARE PLANNING A SURVEY AND HAVE GOT SOME DESIGNATED FUNDING, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ABOUT SIX SURVEYS ALREADY.
WE COULD, UH, WE COULD MATCH IT.
UM, BUT A LITTLE MORE THAN DOUBLE IT, SO YEAH.
WE'LL CLOSE OUT THIS AGENDA ITEM.
UM, I THINK WE CAN, UH, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GET DEEP INTO POINT C DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING ONGOING UPDATES TO HISTORIC SURVEYS.
I THINK, UH, KAREN KIND OF GAVE US A QUICK UPDATE ON THAT JUST A MOMENT AGO.
UH, I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER STUACK AND COMMISSIONER WOODS HAVE BEEN OUT, UH, UH, SURVEYING PROPERTIES.
UH, AND UM, I DO HAVE A STAFF MEMBER WHO'S TYPING 'EM UP.
SO, UM, WE CAN, UH, I, SHOULD I SHARE THOSE WITH, WITH CARRIE? YES, PLEASE.
AND THEN SHE CAN MAYBE SEND ONE TO COMMISSIONER WOODS FOR UPDATES OR CORRECT ARCHITECTURAL LINGO AND ALL THAT STUFF.
WELL, THE, THE THING IS, YEAH, THANK YOU.
THE MOST RECENT WAS THE ELKS LODGE AND THAT I DIDN'T PASS IT OUT TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE OUR COMMISSIONER WOODS IS GOING TO LOOK AT ARCHITECTURAL VERBIAGE AND THEN, BUT YEAH.
UM, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE CARRYING THAT ON THE AGENDA AND, AND, UH, CONTINUING TO SHOW THAT WE'RE DOING THE WORK THAT, UM, THE COUNCIL TRUSTS US TO DO, UM, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. SO OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE SEPTEMBER 8TH.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT NOT MEETING ONE OF THESE MONTHS, BUT THAT, THAT WAS COMMISSIONER, UH, SE SE SIGNER.
AND HE WAS SUGGESTING THIS MONTH, WASN'T HE? AND THEN HE SAID SEPTEMBER
UH, I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO MEET, UM, EVEN IF, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE AGENDA, OTHER TAKING SUGGESTIONS, BUT, UH, ANYTHING FOR THE AGENDA OTHER THAN CONTINUING TO LOOK AT, UM, THE SURVEYS AND, AND, UH, INVESTIGATING, UH, WHAT'S POSSIBLE IN TERMS OF LANDMARKING MAY IS COMING FAST.
AND SO WE NEED TO PLAN FOR MAY MM-HMM
WELL, MIKE, WELL LET'S HAVE, LET'S PUT A DISCUSSION OUT ON THE TABLE THEN IN THE NEXT ONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, BEGIN PLANNING FOR, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH.
AND THAT WAY WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE COME APRIL SAYING, HUH.
WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO?
IT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO HELP.
I DO NOT BELIEVE WE NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, AND SO WE WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT JERE FOR ME.
SO I JUST, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY BEFORE WE ADJOURN THAT THE TWO AGENDA ITEMS FOR, FOR NEXT MEETING, UH, ARE THE DISCUSSION, UH, FOR THE PLANNING OF THE MAY, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, UH, TO-DOS AND A DUES AND, UM, A CONTINUED DISCUSSION OF, UH, SURVEYED PROPERTIES AND POSSIBLE, UM, UH, PICKING ONE OR TWO OR THREE FOR LANDMARK STATUS.
WELL NOW WE'LL ADJOURN AT 5 35.
AND WE WILL ALL THANKS EVERYBODY RECONVENE OR BE ALL RECONVENE AT THE GOLDEN GOOSE PARTY TIME AT GOLDEN GOOSE.
AND, UH, IT HAS BEEN NOTICED, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT'S RIGHT.
WE'LL GET A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO JOIN