[1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]
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PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AT PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.
ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC COURT, ONE NATION UNDERGROUND INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE, IF YOU WILL.
[2. ROLL CALL]
CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR JALO.[3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE]
ITEMS. UH, WE HAVE A REQUEST.I, I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO BE PULLING ITEM F FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THEN, UH, COUNCIL KINSELLA, DID YOU WANT ITEM G PULLED? UH, H PLEASE.
I, I WAS TOLD IT WAS GONNA BE G.
UH, SO CAN I, CAN I HAVE A CON, UH, A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS ABSENT E AND H.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, WE ARE UNANIMOUS.
[3. f. AB 3217 Approval of an Ordinance amending Sedona City Code Title 6 (Animals), by adopting a new Chapter 6.20 (Wild or Exotic Animal Display or Performance).]
WE WILL PULL ITEM FI HAVE SOME CARDS AND I WANT TO GIVE SOME TIME TO THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS ITEM F, WHICH IS, UH, AB 32 17 APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SEDONA CITY CODE TITLE SIX ANIMALS BY ADOPTING A NEW CHAPTER, 6.20 WILD OR EROTIC ANIMALS, EXOTIC ANIMALS, EXCUSE ME,NOW WE'RE GONNA RIGHT, UH, UH, DISPLAY OR PERFORMANCE.
THANKS YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE,
UH, IT'S A LONG, WE ARE HERE A LONG TIME.
UH, WE'LL START WITH DERRICK HILL, WHO'LL BE FOLLOWED BY SETH BRILEY.
DERRICK, ARE YOU HERE? CAN YOU STAND UP? COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
YOU'LL WATCH THE CLOCK UP HERE ON THE WALL.
PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE AND, UH, FEEL FREE TO BEGIN.
UM, MY NAME IS DERRICK HILL AND, UH, I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA, AND I'M A VOLUNTEER WHO DOES THE WILDLIFE, UH, EXHIBIT OF TOWN.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 2017 AND SINCE I'VE BEEN PART OF THE EXHIBIT AND THE ANIMALS HAVE BECOME A MAJOR PART OF MY LIFE, IT HAS CHANGED MY VIEW AND SEEING HOW I CAN EDUCATE PEOPLE, AND ESPECIALLY KIDS, AND THE REACTIONS I GET WHEN KIDS LIGHT UP, WANTING TO HOLD AND TOUCH THESE ANIMALS.
AND EDUCATION OF HOW THESE ANIMALS DON'T WANT TO HURT YOU.
THEY'RE JUST DEFENDING THEMSELVES, THEIR HABITAT IN THEIR HOME.
IT HAS ALSO HELPED MY PERSONAL LIFE COMING FROM A, UM, TROUBLED AND TRAUMATIC PLACE.
UH, AND DOING THIS HAS HELPED ME STAY OUT OF TROUBLE WITH THE LAW AND MAKE MY WHOLE FOCUS ON THE ANIMALS.
IT HELPED ME BUILD A BETTER LIFE AND WORLD AROUND ME.
THERE'S A BIG MISCONCEPTION ON HOW DANGEROUS ANIMALS, UH, ESPECIALLY REPTILES ARE, AND WE WORK VERY HARD TO TEACH PEOPLE THAT THEY, WHEN THEY ARE OUT HIKING AND HANDLING A SITUATION THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN TREAT THESE ANIMALS, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT AND WELFARE THAT THEY DESERVE.
AND, UM, ALSO, THESE ANIMALS ARE IMPORTANT TO OUR ECOSYSTEM.
WE WANT TO TEACH PEOPLE TO NOT KILL THEM, BUT TO KEEP THEM SAFE IN THE BEST WAY WE CAN, BECAUSE WE CARE A LOT ABOUT OUR ENVIRONMENT AND THE LIVELIHOOD OF THESE BEAUTIFUL ANIMALS.
NOW WHY AM I HERE TODAY? I'M ASKING THAT YOU ALLOW US TO SHARE A, CONNECT THE CONNECTION WE HAVE TO OUR ANIMALS, TO THE CITY OF SEDONA, AND LET PEOPLE MAKE THAT CONNECTION THAT WILL LAST THEM A LIFETIME.
WE ARE SO PASSIONATE IN THE SENSE THAT WE DON'T TRY TO FORCE ANYONE TO GIVE US DONATIONS IN ANY SORT OF SENSE.
DONATIONS ARE WELCOME, BUT IT'S NOT MANDATORY.
WE ARE HERE TO EDUCATE AND TEACH, AND THE GOALS WE REACH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MONEY.
EVERY DOLLAR WE GET IS USED TO TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMALS.
WE ARE OPEN TO REGULATIONS AND RULES BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE IT SET OF OUR OWN, AS IN, WE DON'T TAKE ANIMALS OUTSIDE IF IT'S ANYWHERE ABOVE 95 DEGREES, BECAUSE IT IS TOO HOT
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FOR THE ANIMALS SINCE THEY ARE COLD-BLOODED AND THEY RELY ON US TO REGULATE THEIR OWN BODY HEAT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DO IT THEMSELVES.WE ALSO MAKE SURE TO KEEP A CLEAN ENVIRONMENT FOR THE ANIMALS AS WELL AS OURSELVES.
ANYTIME WE GO OUT, WE MAKE SURE THAT THE ANIMALS ARE IN CONDITIONS THAT THEY COULD BE HANDLED BY THE PUBLIC.
SO WE CAN HAVE AT THE LEAST AMOUNT OF INSTANCES AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE, MEANING MAKING SURE THERE'S NO RISK OF BITING OR HARMING ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC.
IF WE DO HAVE SOMETHING POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS, WE KEEP IT IN A LOCK CONTAINMENT WHERE PEOPLE CAN VIEW THE ANIMAL AND WE CAN STILL TEACH ABOUT THEIR SPECIES WITH AN AFFIRMED SAFETY OF THE ANIMALS AND OTHERS AROUND US.
WE HAVE STRICT RULES ON ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE, EVEN A SLIGHT FEELING THAT IT'S GONNA BITE.
WE MAKE SURE TO KEEP IT IN AN ENCLOSEMENT THAT THE PUBLIC CANNOT OPEN.
I DO HOPE THAT EVEN IN THE SHORT MESSAGE MESSAGE YOU AS WELL AS EVERYONE HERE CAN SEE THE EFFORT WE PUT INTO OUR PASSIONS WITH REPTILES AND OTHER ANIMALS.
I PERSONALLY COULD GO ON AND ON FOR ABOUT, ABOUT WHAT I KNOW AND HOW COOL THESE ANIMALS REALLY ARE.
BUT I WOULD BE HERE FOR AN HOUR JUST TO SHOW YOU GUYS WHAT WE ARE AND WHAT WE BRING TO THE PUBLIC'S EYE.
BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND LISTENING.
WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY JACKIE, UH, HANNI.
I KNOW I'M PRONOUNCING THAT BADLY, BUT, OKAY.
SO IT'LL BE UP AFTER, UH, SETH.
START WITH YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE.
I AM, UH, ONE OF THE CURATORS OF ANIMAL HAVEN AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THE REPTILE EXHIBIT SINCE, WELL, THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT UP THERE.
WE HAVEN'T HAD A SINGLE INCIDENT WITH ANY OF OUR ANIMALS OR ANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME TO VISIT.
IF YOU WOULD CHECK ANY SOCIAL MEDIA AT ALL, YOU WOULD FIND THAT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HAVE PUT UP VIDEOS OF THEIR WONDERFUL TIMES THAT THEY HAD HOLDING OUR ANIMALS.
YOU CAN SEE LIVES HAVE CHANGED WITH CHILDREN THAT ENJOY THE ANIMALS.
PEOPLE COME BACK YEAR AFTER YEAR AND THEY COME BACK AND THEY SAY, OH, WE HELD ANIMALS LAST YEAR.
WE WANT TO COME AND HOLD ANIMALS AGAIN.
AND THERE'LL BE DIFFERENT KINDS OF ANIMALS.
YOU CAN EXPERIENCE DIFFERENT THINGS EVERY TIME.
IT'S A COMPLETELY NEW ENVIRONMENT.
WE TEACH THEM ABOUT HOW TO HANDLE ANIMALS.
WE GET ALL SORTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT PEOPLE GO, OH, UH, WE CAME ACROSS THIS OR THAT, AND WE JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT IT WAS.
YOU KNOW, HOW TO DEAL WITH SOMETHING THAT WE COME ACROSS ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND SO WE GET ALL SORTS OF QUESTIONS.
WE HELP PEOPLE ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS ALL THE TIME WITH THEIR QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THEIR OWN ANIMALS THAT THEY HAVE AT THEIR HOMES.
'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL TAKE IN AN ANIMAL AND GO, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT, YOU KNOW, WAS GONNA BE A PART OF THIS, OF HAVING THIS KIND OF ANIMAL.
AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
THEY GO HOME, FIX THEIR OWN PROBLEMS, AND WE GET MESSAGES BACK GOING, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR ADVICE.
YOU KNOW, AND HANDLING OUR OWN PERSONAL ANIMALS.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT TO THE PUBLIC.
WHAT WE DO IS ABSOLUTELY FREE.
WE REQUIRE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF ANYBODY TO DO THIS.
AND WE HAVE LITERALLY ZERO INCIDENTS WHERE SOMEBODY WAS HURT OR DAMAGED BY AN ANIMAL OR WHERE ANY OF OUR ANIMALS WERE HURT OR DAMAGED.
SO WE JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT AND YOU HAVE A BLESSED DAY.
OKAY, JACKIE, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY JAMES FAUST.
START WITH YOUR, YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
I'M IN ROOM ROCK RIGHT NOW, BUT I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA OFF AND ON SINCE 1992.
I WAS A SEDONA HOMEOWNER WHEN I WAS 27 YEARS OLD.
I WAS WORKING AT THE BANK ONE, MY KIDS' DAD BECAME A SEDONA POLICE OFFICER.
I'M HERE IN SANCTUARY EXHIBIT BECAUSE IT, IT DEFINES THE ANIMALS AND REPTILES.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED SINCE I MOVED BACK IN THE AREA IN 2017 BECAUSE OF MY SON, DERRICK HILL THAT YOU JUST MET.
I VOLUNTEERED DURING THE HOLIDAYS WITH MY SONS, AND I'VE NOTICED PRETTY MUCH TWO THINGS, UH, REGARDING, UM, WE PRETTY MUCH DO REGARDING THE ANIMALS IS WE LET THEM HANDLE THEM, TOUCH THEM, HOLD THEM ON EVERYTHING ELSE.
WHAT I READ IN AN ARTICLE IS REGARDING PANHANDLING, WE'RE NOT HANDLING, IT'S PRETTY MUCH, IT'S FREE.
SO AS A VOLUNTEER AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I USED TO BE A VOLUNTEER IN THE NINETIES FOR SEDONA, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IN THE PROCESS, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE HIKING.
I'VE BEEN ON THE CALLS, I'VE HIKED MYSELF.
I MOUNTAIN BIKED AND SO FORTH.
UM, SO IN THE PROCESS, I FEEL LIKE IN THE SITUATION, IT, PEOPLE DO NEED TO BE EDUCATED BECAUSE I MET PEOPLE FROM CANADA, OTHER STATES AND STUFF,
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OTHER COUNTRIES THAT DON'T HAVE REPTILES OF THIS TYPE.AND IN THAT PROCESS, I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT, UM, IN THEIR PROCESS.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN TEXAS.
I USED TO GRAB SNAKES ALL THE TIME.
MY GRANDFATHER SCARED ME OF HIM.
I STILL GET THE, YOU KNOW, SHIVERS AND EVERYTHING ON MY SKIN FOR THAT REASON.
THAT'S WHY I SIT NEXT TO MY SON.
I SUPPORT HIM AND HE, HE DOES IT.
HE'S NOT SCARED OF REPTILES, HE'S NOT SCARED OF SKATES, SNAKES.
YOU BASICALLY HEARD, YOU KNOW, FROM MY SON WHAT HE LOVES TO DO.
SO BASICALLY IN THE PROCESS OF, AS I, YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST STARTED VOLUNTEERING, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, I HEARD THAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT RULES AND WHAT TO DO WITH THE EXHIBIT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
BUT WHEN I SHOWED UP AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT WAS, YOU DON'T BE IN THE WALKWAY.
YOU, YOU KNOW, DON'T DO IT OVER 95 DEGREES.
DON'T DO IT UNDER 60 BECAUSE OF THE REPTILES AND WHAT TEMPERATURES THEY CAN'T BE.
AND ALSO TO, TO RESPECT THE OWNERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, OR THE STORES OF NOT BEING IN THEIR WALKWAY OR BASICALLY WALKING TO, YOU KNOW, IN THE DIRECTION OF WHERE THE WALKWAY IS.
UM, AS BASICALLY IN THE SITUATION OF, WHAT I'VE NOTICED IS WHEN, BECAUSE I HELPED MY SON THIS YEAR AND EVERYTHING ELSE, ONE TIME, THE MINUTE THAT JOHN SHOWED UP, THAT'S NOW WE'RE DOING THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT IN THE PROCESSES, I'VE BEEN IN SEDONA SINCE 92.
IT'S ONE OF THE PART I DO RECOMMEND GOING TO TIKTOK AND YOUTUBE BASICALLY VIEWING, BECAUSE THOSE, THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE, IT IS PART OF SEDONA.
THEIR SHOWING IS, HEY, I PETTED A SNAKE.
I'M AT THIS STORE, I'M MEETING AT THIS PLACE.
WE ACTUALLY HAD SOMEBODY COME HERE FOUR YEARS LATER, UM, IN THE PROCESS THAT THEY'RE LIKE, WE CAME HERE SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS TO SEE THE STORES.
AND BASICALLY SHE VOLUNTEERED THE, HER AND HER HUSBAND THE WHOLE TIME THEY WERE HERE.
THEY BASICALLY WERE, YOU KNOW, THEY, I SAID, OKAY, YOU'RE HERE.
SHE'S LIKE, OH NO, WE'RE HERE TO VOLUNTEER.
WE HAD A KID AND EVERYTHING ELSE WENT STRAIGHT TO US.
JAMES FAUST WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ALAN ABOU AHJ.
JAMES, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
WATCH THE CLOCK UP ON THE WALL.
UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN LIVING IN ARIZONA MY WHOLE LIFE.
AND, UM, I RAN INTO THESE GUYS LIVING IN UPTOWN FOR MY FIRST TIME.
AND IT, IT REALLY, UH, HELPED ME RECONNECT BACK WITH MY FAMILY BACK HOME.
MY MOM WAS REAL INTO REPTILES GROWING UP AS A KID, SO I ALWAYS KNEW THEY WEREN'T DANGEROUS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO I ACTUALLY WANTED TO GET USED TO HOLDING THEM MYSELF.
SO I ACTUALLY STARTED VOLUNTEERING AND, UM, WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR IS THAT PEOPLE REALLY DO LOVE THIS OUT HERE.
AND YOU GOT PEOPLE COMING FROM YEARS LATER WHEN THEY WERE KIDS TO NOW ADULTS BRINGING THEIR KIDS AROUND TO THESE ANIMALS AND STUFF.
AND IT'S A REAL GREAT EXPERIENCE.
WE ALSO, UH, HELP ADVERTISE FOR THE BUSINESSES AND, YOU KNOW, GEAR PEOPLE.
AND THEY'D, OH, WHERE CAN I GO OVER HERE FOR THIS? OH, JUST GO IN THAT SHOP.
YOU CAN FIND THAT RIGHT THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NO COMPETITION FOR US OUT HERE.
IT'S, WE'RE JUST OUT HERE FOR THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AND FOR THE ANIMALS.
AND, UH, GOTTA REALLY LOVE, UH, DOING THIS FOR, FOR ABOUT A COUPLE YEARS NOW, OFF AND ON.
I WAS WORKING AT RESTAURANTS AND STUFF AROUND THERE IN UPTOWN.
AND, UH, IT WAS ALWAYS A GOOD LITTLE, YOU KNOW, TAKES A LOT OF STRESS OFF YOUR SHOULDERS WHEN YOU GET TO HOLD SOMETHING COOL THAT'S CONSIDERED POSSIBLY DANGEROUS.
AND, UH, TO SEE THOSE SMILES ON EVERYONE'S FACES AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PARENTS TO SHOW THEIR KIDS SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN'T TOUCH MIGHT BE BEHIND SOME GLASS AT THE ZOO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS ALSO REALLY COOL.
ALAN ABU HAS, WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY, IS IT MICHAEL MCALLISTER? OKAY.
SO ALAN, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE AND FOLLOW THE CLOCK UP ON THE WALL.
I'D LIKE TO REQUEST TO REWORD THIS ORDINANCE.
UM, 'CAUSE WE HAVE A PARROT, WE'VE HAD HER FOR 35 YEARS AND WE TAKE HER FOR WALKS IN PUBLIC, UM, ALL OVER THE CITY.
WE TAKE HER ON THE CITY TRAILS AND THAT'S HER FORM OF EXERCISE.
SHE LOVES BEING OUT, SHE LOVES MEETING PEOPLE, AND WE TRY TO KEEP A LOW PROFILE.
THIS IS NOT OUR, UH, SOMETHING WE DO FOR A LIVING, BUT WE DON'T WANT MONEY.
WE REFUSE MONEY OR WE DON'T WANT ATTENTION, BUT IT'S NECESSARY TO GET HER OUT FOR FUN.
AND WHEN PEOPLE COME UP TO US, WE WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCES.
UM, WORSE YET, EVEN IF WE SHOW HER IN OUR OWN HOME, WE'D BE IN VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE HAS HAS WRITTEN 'CAUSE THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE A LICENSE FROM THE FDA OR, UH, ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME.
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WE WALKED UP TO EITHER ONE OF THOSE AGENCIES AND ASKED FOR A LICENSE, THEY'D LAUGH AT US AND SEND US ON OUR WAY.WE ALSO NEED TO A $1 MILLION INSURANCE POLICY JUST TO HAVE HER IN OUR HOME AND SHOW HER TO ANYBODY IN PUBLIC OR TO HAVE, HAVE HER OUT IN PUBLIC ON A WALK.
YOU DON'T DO THE SAME THING FOR DOGS AND CATS, BUT FOR A PARROT THAT SEEMS UNREASONABLE.
SO PLEASE RE REWORD THE ORDINANCE.
I WOULD BE GLAD TO HELP THE CITY ATTORNEYS WRITE THAT.
I KNOW IT'S NOT THE INTENTION OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT IS A CONSEQUENCE OF THE WAY IT'S WORDED.
OKAY, MICHAEL, UH, MCALLISTER'S NEXT WILL BE FOLLOWED BY TIM PERRY.
UH, MIKE, YOU HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTES.
START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
I'M FROM SAN TAN VALLEY, ARIZONA.
I'M THE OWNER OF RADICAL REPTILE FUND, A MOBILE EDUCATION BUSINESS THAT HAS BEEN INSPIRING CURIOSITY AND RESPECT FOR WILDLIFE ACROSS ARIZONA FOR OVER 13 YEARS.
WE SPECIALIZE IN HANDS-ON REPTILE EXPERIENCES AT SCHOOLS, LIBRARIES, FAIRS, AND OTHER FAMILY EVENTS.
I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE ARIZONA UNITED ANIMAL CARE AND BUSINESS COALITION.
TO RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 6.20 OF THE SEDONA CITY CODE.
WE SUPPORT THE UNDERLINING INTENT, UH, BUT OPPOSE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE OF THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN STILL HAS SIGNIFICANT GAPS IN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT COULD HARM SMALL RESPONSIBLE BUSINESSES LIKE MINE.
FOR EXAMPLE, SECTION 6.2 0.030 APPEARS TO BAN ANY PUBLIC ANIMAL DISPLAY OUTRIGHT, EVEN AT EDUCATIONAL VENUES LIKE SCHOOLS AND LIBRARIES IN THE CITY.
THAT LANGUAGE IS IN DIRECT TENSION WITH SECTION 6.2 0.040, WHICH SUGGESTS DISPLAYS ARE PERMITTED WITH PROPERTY OWNER PERMISSION AND LICENSURE THROUGH GAME AND FISH.
USDA LICENSES ONLY APPLY TO MAMMALS AND BIRDS, NOT REPTILES AND ARIZONA AND FISH AND GAME DO NOT COVER THE NON-NATIVE REPTILES AND INVERTEBRATES COMMONLY USED IN EDUCATION PROGRAMS LIKE MINE.
THAT MEANS EVEN THOUGH THE MOST ETHICAL SAFETY CONS, UH, CONSCIOUS EDUCATORS CAN'T COMPLY WITH THIS ORDINANCE SIMPLY BECAUSE NO LICENSE EXISTS THAT APPLIES TO OUR ANIMALS.
THIS ORDINANCE REQUIRES US TO OBTAIN A LICENSE THAT'S NOT THERE.
THAT'S WHY I WANT TO EMPHASIZE ONE THING.
CLEARLY, WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF REASONABLE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS AS A CONDITION FOR OPERATING WITHIN SEDONA INSURANCE IS A PRACTICAL AND FAIR WAY TO ENSURE ACCOUNTABILITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE'S NO FEDERAL OR STATE LICENSE FOR MANY OF THE SPECIES WE WE USE, IT IS A SOLUTION THAT COULD MAKE SENSE, BUT FOR THAT TO WORK, THE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE REFLECTED CLEARLY.
I URGE YOU TONIGHT NOT TO RUSH THIS.
TAKE TIME TO ENGAGE WITH LOCAL EDUCATORS, SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND LEGAL EXPERTS, AND REWRITE THE ORDINANCE TO TARGET BAD ACTORS WITHOUT CRUSHING LEGITIMATE, BENEFICIAL PROGRAMS. SEDONA SHOULD BE A PLACE THAT VALUES SCIENCE, EDUCATION, AND COMMUNITY, NOT ONE THAT CLOSES THE DOOR ON UNIQUE, ENRICHING EXPERIENCES THAT KIDS AND FAMILIES CHERISH.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND WILLINGNESS TO LISTEN.
I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS IF TIME PERMITS AFTER THIS.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE COUNSEL CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS AND WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL PUT OFF.
UH, TIM PERRY, YOU KNOW THE DRILL.
UH, YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
WELL, I HOPE JOHN DUFF SUES THE PANTS OFF YOU FOR EVEN PROPOSING THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL ORDINANCE.
BUT WHAT'S REALLY THE PROBLEM HERE TO START WITH IS, UH, PART OF THE MISINFORMATION THAT THAT WELL-KNOWN DOUBLE DIPPER, CHRIS DOWELL WAS FEEDING YOU ALL UP HERE IN NEAR YOUR LITTLE HAMSTER CAGE TO GET THIS THING THROUGH.
HE WAS PRESENTING IT LIKE THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME GENUINE RISK OF SOMEBODY GETTING A DISEASE FROM A WILD ANIMAL.
ACTUALLY, THAT HAPPENS PRETTY RARELY.
ON THE OTHER HAND, OF THE 1400 INFECTIOUS DISEASES THAT AFFECT HUMANS, 900 ARE SHARED WITH HUMAN DOMESTICATES, INCLUDING, UH, LET'S SEE, OH YEAH, 35 WITH HORSES, 42 WITH SHEEP.
UH, NO, ACTUALLY THAT'S 42 WITH PIGS, 46 WITH SHEEP, 50 WITH CATTLE, AND, UH, THE BIG KICKERS.
65 WITH DOGS, ALL OF WHICH ARE EXEMPTED SPECIFICALLY AND GENERALLY UNDER THE ASSORTMENTS.
SO, BUT, BUT DO PLEASE AGAIN TRY TO TELL US HOW THIS IS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC.
WHAT'S PERHAPS EVEN WORSE THAN THIS BLATANT MISINFORMATION THOUGH, IS WHEN DOWELL OFFERED US THE OUTRAGEOUS LIE THAT THIS ORDINANCE WAS SOMEHOW MOTIVATED BY HUMANITY AND COMPASSION.
ANIMALS ARE OBJECTS, ANIMALS ARE ROBOTS.
THEY DO NOT COME WITHIN THE SCOPE OF MORALITY OR ETHICS, WHICH DEAL WITH THE RIGHTNESS AND WRONGNESS OF DECISIONS MADE BY HUMAN INDIVIDUALS.
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OBJECTS DO NOT COME INTO LOGIC-BASED MORALITY.AND THE THEORY THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY MAKE A MORAL DECISION ON THE BASIS OF EMOTION IS SIMPLY ILLOGICAL IN ITSELF AS EMMANUEL CAN'T EXPRESS IT SO BEAUTIFULLY.
OR RATHER TO PARAPHRASE HIM, A DOG IS NOT THE SORT OF THING THAT CAN BE WRONGED.
SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS BASICALLY JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNCIL TO SHOW OFF EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN EMOTION AND EMOTIONAL BIGOTRY ARE ALLOWED TO TRIUMPH OVER REASON.
LET'S SIT BACK FOR A MOMENT AND CONTEMPLATE WHAT YOU GUYS DID WITH THIS.
UH, IN, IN THE AFFAIRS LEADING UP TO THE ASSORTMENTS, YOU PUT A MAN IN JAIL AND TORTURED HIM FOR KILLING A SPIDER.
BUT THEN OF COURSE, THIS IS JUST PART OF, UH, THE BUREAUCRACY AND THE RULING ELITES LONG-TERM EFFORT TO DOMESTICATE US.
DID YOU KNOW, SINCE THE NEOLITHIC REVOLUTION, THE SPECIES HAS LOST ABOUT 10% OF ITS BRAIN CAPACITY AND AT A RATE 30 TIMES FASTER THAN WE BUILT IT UP ALL DUE TO BUREAUCRATIC EFFORTS AT DOMESTICATION.
SO NOW THIS ORDINANCE IS ABOUT, ISN'T ABOUT HUMANITY OR COMPASSION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S ABOUT DEGRADING THE PUBLIC BY COMPARING THEM WITH ANIMALS.
SO YOU WILL FIND THEM DEPRESSED AND MORE EASIER TO CONTROL.
ANIMALS ARE NOT PEOPLE, PEOPLE ARE NOT ANIMALS.
AND A VOTE FOR THE ASSORTMENTS THAT SAYS THEY ARE IS A LIE.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA, MAYOR, I BELIEVE THAT IS THAT THE LAST CARD? THAT IS THE LAST CARD.
UM, INITIALLY WHEN YOU SPOKE FOR THE CONSENT ITEM, FOR THE MOTION YOU MENTIONED, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM THREE E AND THREE H, AND IT, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT RESCINDED SO THAT YOU STATE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM THREE F AND THREE H, PLEASE.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE A VOTE AGAIN.
SO YOU NEED TO RESCIND THE MOTION.
AND THEN CA KATHY, RIGHT, I, I I MOVED THAT WE RESCIND THE, UM, APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT ITEMS. SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AND NOW I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS. A, B, C, D, E, G AND AYE.
SECOND BY COUNCILOR FURMAN, ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.
YOU'RE GOOD NOW FOR THANK YOU LEGALITIES.
UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, UH, FROM THE DEUS ON ITEM F UH, DEREK? YEAH, I'VE, I'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH IN MY MIND ON THIS ORDINANCE.
UM, FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS, THE IDEA THAT AN ANIMAL IS SOMETHING THAT CAN'T BE WRONGED, I THINK IS ABSURD.
ANIMALS FEEL PAIN, THEY FEEL EMOTION, THEY FEEL, I MEAN, ARE THEY HUMAN? NO, BUT THEY'RE STILL, THEY CAN STILL BE WRONG.
SO I MEAN, THE IDEA, I JUST WANT TO GET THAT RIGHT OUT THERE.
UM, I SUPPORT THE UNDERLYING INTENT OF THIS ORDINANCE, WHICH IS FOR ME ANYWAY, PRIMARILY ANIMAL WELFARE.
UM, IN TERMS OF DISPLAYS ON THE SIDEWALKS.
I REALIZE THAT SOME OF OUR BUSINESS OWNERS DON'T LIKE THAT.
I REALIZE THAT SOME OF OUR TOURISTS DON'T LIKE THAT, BUT THE FACT IS THEY DON'T OWN THE SIDEWALKS.
UH, THERE IS SOME VERSION OF THIS ORDINANCE THAT I COULD SUPPORT.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS REALLY ISN'T IT.
I MEAN, WE STILL, AND I THINK FROM THE VERY BEGINNING I SAID THAT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE REGULATING WHAT OCCURS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE LANDOWNER.
UM, AND YET WE STILL HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN HERE REQUIRING LICENSURE.
UM, WHICH IT'S NEWS TO ME THAT APPARENTLY YOU CAN'T EVEN GET THIS LICENSURE FOR REPTILES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF KURT CAN TELL US ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, IF THAT'S, SO THE ORDER JUST REQUIRES THAT THEY GET THE A LICENSE, UH, IN ORDER TO DISPLAY, UM, LET ME PULL IT UP.
DISPLAY WILDLIFE OR EXOTIC WILDER EXOTIC ANIMALS FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES.
AND THAT INCLUDES A WILDLIFE HOLDING LICENSE.
THOSE ARE $20, THOSE ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE ARIZONA GAME AND FISH.
AND THEY'RE A TWO PAGE APPLICATION.
AND IT'S GOOD FOR THREE YEARS.
SO IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THAT IT HAS TO BE FOR CERTAIN ANIMALS.
IT'S JUST YOU HAVE TO GET A LICENSE THAT QUALIFIES YOU TO HANDLE ANIMALS.
SO THE USDA PERMIT IS THE ONE WE'RE HEARING DOES NOT APPLY TO REPTILES.
UH, SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, SO, SO THE, UH, THE USDA UH, LICENSE IS, YEAH, IT'S FOR MORE LIKE ZOO AND, UH, CIRCUS ANIMALS.
UM, AND THAT ONE MIGHT BE HARDER.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT.
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ARIZONA GAME AND FISH HAS A ZOO LICENSE AS WELL, THAT'S $425.THAT ONE'S A MORE EXTENSIVE APPLICATION, BUT THEY EXIST AND THEY'RE NOT THAT HARD TO GET, AND YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE ONE.
IT'S NOT GEARED, IT'S NOT LINKED TO ANY SPECIFIC ANIMAL FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE.
WE JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE QUALIFIED OR LICENSED.
WE'VE ASKED GROUPS LIKE THIS IF THERE'S SOME OTHER LICENSURE THAT THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED OR THEY COULD GET.
UM, AND MOST OF THEM, AS WE HEARD FROM A PUBLIC COMMENT, WANT TO JUST BE SELF-REGULATED AND NOT HAVE TO HAVE ANYONE ELSE OVERSEE THEM.
BUT FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S WHERE WE'VE RUN INTO ISSUES IN THE PAST WITH ANIMALS BEING, UM, ABUSED AND DYING.
DO THESE PERMITS GO TO THE ISSUE OF THE CONDITION OF THE ANIMALS AND HOW THEY'RE BEING CARED FOR AND YES.
SO FROM A ANIMAL WELFARE STANDPOINT, IF THEY, IF SOMEBODY HOLDS ONE OF THESE LICENSES, I DON'T KNOW THAT I REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM DOING THE DISPLAYS IN PUBLIC.
THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE EXCEPTION IN THERE.
SO AS LONG AS YOU'VE GOT SOME TRAINING, UH, SOME OVERSIGHT, EVEN EVEN THE MINIMAL, AS THE ARIZONA GAME OF FISH $20 LICENSE GIVES.
BUT THIS SAYS, THIS CHAPTER DOES NOT APPLY TO A DISPLAY OR PERFORMANCE THAT OCCURS ON A PROPERTY WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO LONG AS A DISPLAY OR PERFORMANCE IS DONE BY AND THEN IT LISTS THE POSSIBLE LICENSES.
SO IT'S ALL, ALL PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY.
THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENT TO ALSO BE CLEAR ONLY APPLIES TO PUBLIC PROPERTY.
IF A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO ACQUIRE INSUR REQUIRE INSURANCE, THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER.
I DUNNO, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA BEAT A DEAD HORSE OVER THIS.
I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY SUPPORT FOR THIS ORDINANCE THE WAY IT IS.
I JUST, UH, I DON'T SUPPORT IT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
UH, I THINK IF WE COULD DO SOME MORE WORK ON IT TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, TO FINE TUNE IT, UH, MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING AT WHAT WE REALLY WANNA GET AT, WHICH IS THE, YOU KNOW, ANIMALS BEING MISTREATED, YOU KNOW, ZOONOTIC DISEASES, THEY'RE REALLY RARE.
UH, AS MR. PERRY POINTED OUT, UH, I COULD NOT FIND A SINGLE INSTANCE OF SOMEONE GETTING A, CATCHING A DISEASE FROM ONE OF THESE LITTLE REPTILE THINGS.
UM, I KEPT GETTING REFERRED BACK TO THE PERSON WHO DIED OF SEPTIC SMIC PLAGUE UP NORTH FROM A, UH, GOFER OR SOMETHING.
UH, BUT YEAH, I JUST, I, I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY THING IS PERHAPS OVERBLOWN.
UM, I THINK THAT PUBLIC PROPERTY IS OPEN TO PUBLIC USE.
AND YOU KNOW, THIS STRANGE, AS SOME OF US MAY FIND THIS, I THINK THIS IS A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC USE AS LONG AS THE ANIMALS ARE BEING TAKEN CARE OF PROPERLY.
SO ANYWAY, IN ITS CURRENT FORM, I'M GONNA VOTE AGAINST THIS.
I'M SORRY, KATHY, I DIDN'T SEE YOU.
UM, I THINK I ALSO LOOK AT THIS WITH AN EYE TOWARD, I THINK, I THINK PUBLIC SAFETY IS CERTAINLY AN ISSUE, BUT I LOOK TO THIS WITH EYE OF, UM, ANIMAL WELFARE AS WELL, IS PRECISELY BECAUSE ANIMALS, WHETHER THEY BE WILD, EXOTIC OR DOMESTIC, ARE SENTIENT BEINGS THAT WE NEED TO, UH, PUBLICLY, UM, AFFIRM THEIR RIGHT TO BEING HANDLED IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER.
UH, SO THAT IS WHY I AM IN SUPPORT OF SOME REGULATION LIKE THIS.
THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE, UH, KURT, I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON, UM, DEREK'S LINE OF THINKING HERE.
IF SOMEONE WAS DOING A DISPLAY OF REPTILES, THERE IS A LICENSE THAT COULD BE OBTAINED.
IS THAT WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY? YES.
SO THERE'S THE ANIMAL HOLDING LICENSE, SO OKAY.
AND AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THE ANIMAL HOLDING LICENSE, THEN, THEN THAT'S FINE.
WHETHER IT'S SPECIFICALLY APPLIES TO EVERY REPTILE YOU HAVE IN YOUR POSSESSION OR NOT DOES ISN'T A QUESTION THE CITY WOULD, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, PD IF THEY'RE ENFORCING THIS WOULD CARE ABOUT JUST AS LONG AS YOU'VE HAD SOME TRAINING LICENSURE.
UM, TO SHOW THAT YOU KNOW HOW TO HANDLE, IF, IF YOU CAN HANDLE ONE REPTILE, WHETHER IT'S AN IN-STATE, YOU KNOW, NATIVE ONE OR OUT-OF-STATE ONE, THEN THAT'S FINE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T KEEPING SOMEBODY FROM, IF SOMETHING DIDN'T EXIST THAT THEY COULD, WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET THAT THEY, THERE IS SOMETHING THEY CAN GET.
THE OTHER QUESTION, AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, WE, UH, ARIZONA GAME AND FISH WAS SENT THE ORDINANCE, THEY LOOKED AT IT, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT.
THEY AFFIRMED THAT THEY DO HAVE THOSE LICENSES.
AND, AND, AND FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO OPERATE ANIMAL, UM, DISPLAYS THAT SHOULD HAVE LICENSES AND DON'T, UM, THEY HAVE THEIR OR THE WRONG TYPE OF LICENSE.
AND SO THIS, UH, SEEMS TO GO RIGHT ALONG WITH WHAT ARIZONA GAME AND FISH ALREADY ENFORCES.
THE OTHER, UH, POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IS SURE IS ADDRESSED, AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE ADDRESSED IN THE DEFINITIONS, BUT LET'S JUST MAKE SURE, UM, IF SOMEBODY WAS WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH A PET ON THEIR SHOULDER THAT HAPPENED TO BE A PARROT OR A SQUIRREL OR SOMETHING, IS NOT
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CONSIDERED A, YOU KNOW, UNIQUELY DOMESTIC ANIMAL, UM, HOW ARE THEY NOT PENALIZED? BECAUSE TO ME I THINK IT'S UNDER DISPLAY, UNDER DEFINITIONS, DISPLAY MEANS TO EXHIBIT SHOW HOLD, HOLD MIGHT BE A PROBLEM OR USED FOR PHOTOGRAPHS WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.SO, I MEAN, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH THEIR PET, UM, IS NOT GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO SOMETHING THAT WASN'T INTENDED TO BE? YEAH.
SO I THINK THE KEY PHRASE IN THAT IS WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC UHHUH
UM, AND SO AS LONG AS THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AREN'T HOLDING IT OR PHOTOGRAPHING IT, OR, UM, YOU'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE EXHIBITING IT WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
AND THAT AGAIN, GETS TO THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRIVATE AND PUBLIC.
SO IF THERE'S A, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT SUBJECT TO THIS IN YOUR OWN HOME.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT GONNA BE A PUBLIC DISPLAY.
BUT IF, IF YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE STREET, YOU'RE FINE.
I THINK THE ONLY CONCERN ABOUT THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE PARROT WAS WHEN HE SAID THAT HE DRAWS A LARGE CROWD.
SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE STOPPING AND TRYING TO DRAW A LARGE CROWD.
UM, THAT WOULD THEN BE A POTENTIAL VIOLATION.
BUT IF YOU'RE JUST WALKING AROUND WITH YOUR ANIMAL, THAT IS NOT A, A VIOLATION OF ORDINANCE.
BUT I THINK THAT, I THINK THE GENTLEMAN WHO RAISED THE POINT, AND A HE SPOKE LAST TIME WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS AS WELL, WAS THAT WHEN HE'S WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH THE PARROT, WHICH IS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING YOU DON'T ALWAYS SEE.
SO PEOPLE TEND TO SAY, OH, HEY, CAN I HAVE A, CAN I GET A SELFIE? OR CAN MY PARTNER OR WHOEVER TAKE A PICTURE OF ME WITH YOU AND YOUR ANIMAL? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT PERSON IS PROTECTED? BECAUSE THIS LAW IS NOT INTENDED FOR THAT.
THAT WE DON'T, THAT THEY'RE NOT CAPTURED IN SOMETHING UNINTENTIONALLY.
SO HOW, HOW CAN WE GET LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT PROTECTS THAT? SO I, I, THERE IS NO WAY TO COMPLETELY DISTINGUISH THAT IF, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION COUNCIL WANTS, THEN THAT'S NOT GONNA EXIST.
SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE PEOPLE IN UPTOWN DO, UM, WITH DONATIONS.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE THE ABUSED ANIMALS AND THE, THE ANIMALS WHO DIED CAME FROM WERE FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE DISPLAYING ANIMALS THAT PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING.
SO THE KEY DIFFERENCE IS WHETHER YOU ARE TRYING TO DISPLAY YOUR ANIMAL OR YOU'RE JUST WALKING WITH IT.
SO IF YOU'RE STOPPING, UM, AND HAVING PEOPLE TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS AND STUFF, THEN THAT'S, UM, WHERE THE ANIMALS GET HANDLED AND IN, IN SOME CASES END UP BEING INJURED.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A WAY THAT I CAN SEE TO COMPLETELY DISTINGUISH, DISTINGUISH THAT IF THAT'S YOUR DESIRE, COUNSELOR KINSELLA.
YEAH, I MEAN, I, I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE GOING FORWARD.
IT'S JUST THAT LANGUAGE IS GIVING ME PAUSE.
JUST THAT ONE PART ABOUT CAPTURING SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T INTEND TO CAPTURE THERE.
AND I DON'T WANNA LEAVE IT VAGUE.
UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE ERRORS IN JUDGMENT HAPPEN.
UH, DEREK I THINK HAD A POINT.
I THINK WE NEED TO, I UNDERSTAND KURT THINKS THAT WE POTENTIALLY CAN'T MAKE THAT DISTINCTION, BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO WRITE AN ORDINANCE THAT'S GONNA BE ENFORCED AS WRITTEN.
UH, IF SOMEONE'S WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH A PARROT ON THEIR SHOULDER AND THEY DRAW A CROWD AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO SNAP A PICTURE OF WHO CARES? I MEAN, IS THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT SEEMS STRANGE TO ME THAT WE WOULD STICK OUR NOSE INTO THAT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND MORE THE POINT OF WHEN SOMEBODY'S HAS A SHOW AND THEY'RE HANDLING ANIMALS AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, LETTING OTHER PEOPLE HANDLE ANIMALS AND ALL THAT.
BUT I JUST, I THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO WRITE AN ORDINANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE ENFORCED AS WRITTEN.
UM, TO KURT'S POINT, YOU SAID, SO THAT THERE'S THIS LICENSING THAT PEOPLE CAN GET, BUT IF THEY HAVE, EVEN IF THEY HAVE THAT LICENSING, THEY CAN'T DO A PUBLIC DISPLAY, RIGHT? NO, THAT'S AN EXCEPTION WITH THE LICENSING PERMISSION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
BUT IF THEY, THAT CONTINUES TO CONFUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT MANY LAWS ARE WRITTEN WITH HERE'S THE PROHIBITION AND THEN THERE'S EXCEPTIONS TO IT.
BUT IF, SO, PROHIBITION IS NO DISPLAY OF PUB OF ANIMALS WHILE THEY'RE EXOTIC ANIMALS.
BUT IN THIS CASE, THE EXCEPTION IS WITH THE LICENSE PERMISSION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AND IF ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, THE, THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENT.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE CITY TO, TO DO THIS YES.
AND HAVE THE LICENSING ON ON PUBLIC PROPERTIES.
I MEAN, IS THE CITY REALLY GONNA BE OUT THERE ISSUING PERMITS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO THIS? I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE IF THEY HAVE THE LICENSING AND THEY HAVE THE INSURANCE, LET 'EM BE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.
I GUESS THAT WASN'T DIRECTED TO YOU, THAT WAS DIRECTED AT ANYWAY.
UH, ARE A LARGE DOGS ALLOWED IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS? UH, YEAH.
THERE'S NO PROHIBITION ON ANIMALS IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS AS LONG AS THEY DON'T DISRUPT THE MEETING.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, ANY, ANY ADOPTIVE POLICY ON THAT.
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I'M GONNA, I WANNA NITPICK FOR JUST A SECOND ON LANGUAGE, WHICH DRIVES ME CRAZY.BUT, UM, I THINK, I THINK IT, THE PROBLEM HERE IS ABOUT INTENTION.
SO IS THE INTENTION TO DISPLAY WHEN I'M WALKING MY PARROT, IS THE INTENTION TO DISPLAY THE PARROT? OR IS MY INTENTION TO TAKE MY PARROT FOR A WALK? SO IF THE INTENTION IS TO DISPLAY, THEN YOU WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THIS LAW, OF THIS ORDINANCE.
IF YOUR INTENTION IS NOT TO DISPLAY, AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS BY DEFINITION IT'S DISPLAYED BECAUSE YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE STREET, THEN YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU AREN'T, SO I KNOW YOU, YOU'RE CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO RESPOND.
UM, AND THEN I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT AFTER YOU, YOU TELL ME WHY I'M WRONG.
SO KURT AND THEN CITY MANAGER.
SO COUNCILOR DUN, THE, UH, THE ONLY ISSUE WITH THAT IS WE DON'T GENERALLY, AND IT'S HARD TO PROVE OR UNDERSTAND SOMEONE'S INTENTION MM-HMM
SO THAT GETS INTO A MEN'S RAY OF A CRIME.
UM, AND THAT ESTABLISHES A WHOLE NOTHER, UH, LAYER OF, OF PROOF THAT WE WOULD NEED IN ORDER TO SHOW A VIOLATION.
AND SO ON A SIMPLE CIVIL OFFENSE LIKE THIS, WE NORMALLY STAY OUTSIDE OF, UH, TRYING TO DETERMINE SOMEONE'S INTENT OR WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS WERE BEHIND IT.
UM, AND SO IT'S, WE GO MORE ON THE, THEIR ACTION.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ISSUE WITH THAT IN INTENTION.
UM, I MEAN, COUNSEL CAN CERTAINLY GO THAT WAY IF THEY WANT TO.
UM, IT WOULD, UH, MAKE IT HARDER, UH, TO EVER SHOW OR PROVE A VIOLATION.
I WAS JUST GONNA COMMENT BACK ABOUT THE PERMITTING QUESTION.
WE ALREADY HAVE A PROCESS AND A PROGRAM RELATED TO BUSKING UPTOWN.
UH, WE PERMIT PEOPLE EVERY DAY FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
THIS ISN'T LIKE A WORKLOAD ISSUE OR PROBLEM FOR US.
THERE'S ONLY A HANDFUL OF FOLKS THAT DO THIS ACTIVITY.
UM, SO THAT'S NOT A CONCERN FROM MY END IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTING THIS ORDINANCE IF IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE.
SO THAT IS WHERE I WAS GONNA GO, IS THE FACT THAT WE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE PERMITS THAT YOU CAN APPLY FOR THAT IF YOU WANNA GO IN UPTOWN AND DO THESE ACTIVITIES, YOU CAN GET A PERMIT TO GO INTO UPTOWN AND DO THESE ACTIVITIES.
SO, UM, I I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR PERMITTING SYSTEM IS AND WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US.
UM, MAYBE IN THE ORDINANCE WE MIGHT MENTION THE FACT IF PEOPLE ARE READING THE ORDINANCE, THAT WE HAVE THESE PERMITS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND JUST, YOU KNOW, APPLY FOR ONE OF THE PERMITS.
SO CITY MANAGER, THANK YOU FOR STEALING MY THUNDER.
AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO DEREK AND THEN KATHY.
IT'S, I, I HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A QUESTION.
I KNOW COMMANDER DOWELL STEPPED OUTSIDE, BUT, SO I REALLY DIRECT IT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR CONCERNS ABOUT HOW IT'S REALLY GONNA BE ENFORCED HERE.
UH, AND YOU CAN SPEND HOURS WRITING ORDINANCES TO GET IT CRAFTED DOWN THE LAST DETAIL.
AND IT JUST, IT DOESN'T EVER GET THERE.
SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT HOW THE POLICE ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY INTEND TO ENFORCE IT.
AND I THINK THE CITY MANAGER AND COMMANDER DOW AND THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE HEARD LOTS FROM THIS COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE AND NOT APPROPRIATE.
AND MY GUESS IS CITY MANAGER THAT THE COMMANDER WOULD RESPOND TO THOSE CONCERNS UNLESS WE, WE, YOU KNOW, JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHEN IT COMES TO CRIMINAL STATUTES AND CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, OUR POLICE OFFICERS E EVERY DAY ARE EXERCISING JUDGMENT AND DISCRETION AND APPLYING THOSE AND DETERMINING WHEN TO GIVE A WARNING, WHEN TO GIVE A TICKET, WHEN TO ARREST SOMEONE, ALL THOSE THINGS.
UM, AND THIS IS JUST ONE MORE, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY ELEMENT THAT THEY WILL BE, UM, TASKED WITH EVALUATING.
AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IT'S TYPICALLY THIS TYPE OF THING WILL BE COMPLAINT DRIVEN AND THEY'LL MAKE A DETERMINATION IF THEY GET CALLED TO A LOCATION WHERE SOMEONE HAS COMPLAINED ABOUT A DISPLAY AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DECIDE BASED ON THIS ORDINANCE, WHETHER OR NOT IT WARRANTS A WARNING OR A CITATION.
UM, I BELIEVE WE DID CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO GIVE THAT OPTION.
SO I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GONNA RUN OUT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN BE CHECKING PEOPLE'S ANIMAL DISPLAY PERMITS.
BUT WHEN WE GET COMPLAINTS, WHEN THERE IS A BITE, A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE CALLED OUT, THEN YES, THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO RELY ON THESE RULES AND THE FISH AND GAME STANDARDS TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION.
SO ANNETTE, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU A QUESTION AND THEN I'LL GO TO KATHY.
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WE HAVE AN ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER.IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT, EVEN A COMPLAINT ABOUT A BARKING DOG OR A LOOSE DOG, HE DOESN'T IMMEDIATELY GO TO CITATION, DOESN'T HE? THEY GO WITH A WARNING FIRST.
WELL, I'D ASK PD TO COME UP TO THE CHIEF IS HERE.
SHE TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT TYPE OF THING BECAUSE I PERSONALLY, SO, SO CHIEF FOLEY, CAN YOU WELCOME.
THANKS, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNCIL.
SO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WHEN WE, UM, RESPOND TO A, A BARKING DOG COMPLAINT OR A DOG AT LARGE, WE DO START OFF WITH A, A WARNING AND WE USE LIKE A THREE SYSTEM.
SO WE'LL TRY A VERBAL WARNING, THEN WE TYPICALLY GO TO A, A WRITTEN WARNING, AND THEN ON THE THIRD TIME IT CAN RESULT IN A CITATION, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S THE SAME PERSON WITH THE SAME DOG OR PERSON AT HOME.
SO WE USUALLY TRY AND GAIN COMPLIANCE BEFORE WE GO TO CITATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF WHILE SHE'S HERE? O UH, KATHY.
UM, YEAH, REGARDING JUST ENFORCER IT JUST SAYS MAY AS WELL.
SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT'S LEAVES DISCRETION.
UM, NUMBER TWO, I, I, I'M SUPPORTING THIS.
I THINK BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, MY CONCERN WAS, UM, I WANNA PROTECT THAT, BUT I THINK THAT IF WE SEE AN INSTANCE, AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE ENFORCEMENT AS A MAY, AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA JUMP THERE, THAT WE CAN TWEAK THIS GOING FORWARD IF NECESSARY.
AND I THINK THAT WE'VE, UM, BEATEN THIS UP A LOT.
I'M NOT GONNA SAY DEAD HORSE, I DO NOT LIKE THAT PHRASE.
UM, UM, IT'S SORT OF IRONIC HERE TOO.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, I, I DO THINK THAT WE CAN TWEAK THIS IF THERE IS A TROUBLE.
I THINK IT'S CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL WHAT OUR INTENT IS, IS TO PROTECT EVERYBODY, INCLUDING THE ANIMALS.
UM, SO I, I THINK THAT THE WORDING THE WAY IT IS IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET WITH THIS FOR NOW.
AND THAT IF WE SEE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING IT BACK AND TWEAK IT.
BUT I THINK, I THINK FOR ME AND MY CONCERNS IS READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
BRIAN, YOU HAVEN'T OPINED YET, SO PLEASE DO.
SO IN THE CASE OF THE PARROT OWNERS, IF I HEARD RIGHT, IF THEY'RE AT HOME AND THEY CAN HAVE AS MANY GUESTS OVER AS THEY WANT, THEY'RE IN NO WAY IN VIOLATION OF THIS ORDINANCE, WHICH IS NOT WHAT THE OWNERS BELIEVED TO BE THE CASE.
UM, AND NO INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS EITHER.
THAT'S ONLY ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.
AND THEN FOR THE GENTLEMAN FROM OUT OF TOWN WITH THE, UH, THE BUSINESS, UM, YOU'D MENTIONED NOT BELIEVING TO BE ABLE TO LIKE GO TO A SCHOOL AND PRESENT THE ANIMALS OR DISPLAY THE ANIMALS THERE.
UH, KURT, WHAT WOULD BE THE ACCURACY OF THAT CONCERN WITH OUR ORDINANCE? SO THE ORDINANCE WOULD JUST REQUIRE PERMISSION FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHICH WOULD BE THE SCHOOL IN THAT CASE.
AND THEN THE WILDLIFE HOLDING LICENSE, UM, OR OTHER ZOO LICENSE FROM THE USDA OR, OR APPLICABLE LICENSE FROM THE ARIZONA GAME AND FISH.
SO WE DON'T SPECIFY NECESSARILY WHICH ONE, BUT THE WILDLIFE HOLDING LICENSE SEEMS TO BE THE EASIEST ONE TO GET, UM, TWO PAGE APPLICATION IN $20.
SO TO YOU, SIR, IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE MISSING THEN? LIKE DOES THAT NOT ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS? THAT IS NOT A THING.
THE ARIZONA FISHING GAME ONLY REGULATES NATIVE ANIMALS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EXOTIC ANIMALS.
YOU CANNOT GET A LICENSE THROUGH ARIZONA FISHING GAME FOR EXOTIC ANIMALS ONLY NATIVE OR ENDANGERED SPECIES.
THAT'S NOT WHAT'S IN THESE PROGRAMS. SO, SO THE CITY ORDINANCES FOR BOTH NATIVE AND EXOTIC.
CAN YOU PLEASE BRING UP THAT ORDINANCE? I CAN JUST READ IT SO WE CAN SEE THAT IT STATES THAT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN OPERATING FOR 13 YEARS AND THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED, WE DO NOT HAVE THAT LICENSE, NOR DO ANY OTHER EDUCATORS IN ARIZONA HAVE THAT LICENSE.
AND SO, AND THAT'S WHERE GAME AND FISH TOLD US THAT THEY THINK THEY, THEY, THEY THINK MANY OPERATORS SHOULD HAVE IT.
THEY, THEY THINK SHOULD KEY WORD THERE.
ALRIGHT, WELL WE'RE WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEBATE.
IT WAS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S AWARE THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, WE WELL AWARE AND IT WAS ALREADY ADDRESSED AND QUITE ELOQUENTLY I THINK FROM THE, FROM THE DAYS.
SO, AND IT'S JUST THAT THE, THE LICENSE EXISTS AND SO YOU CAN GET IT.
YOU DON'T, MAYBE YOU DON'T NEED IT FOR THE EXOTIC ONES FROM GAME AND FISH, BUT YOU'LL NEED A LICENSE IN ORDER TO DISPLAY THOSE ANIMALS IN THE CITY.
SO, AND WELL THIS, THE CITY ORDINANCE APPLIES BOTH.
SO IT'S ALL MAMMALS, BIRDS ARE NECESSARY OR YOU'RE CITY ORDINANCE, BUT NOT GAME AND FISH, WHICH IS WHAT OKAY, AGAIN, SORRY.
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TAKE YOUR SEAT.I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE BACK AND FORTH.
'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE HEART OF ARE THERE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES HERE, WHAT OR NOT? SO, AND I JUST WANT, SO KURT, IN YOUR OPINION, HE'S GOOD TO GO.
SO IT'S OUR, THE DEFINITION OF WILD OR EXOTIC ANIMAL IS, IS THE LIST THAT'S IN THERE.
UM, UM, AND IT SAYS FOUND IN A STATE OF NATURE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
SO WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN IN-STATE OR OUT-OF-STATE WILD ANIMALS.
IF IT'S A WILD ANIMAL, UM, OR EXOTIC ANIMAL, THEN IT FITS THIS DEFINITION AND YOU NEED A LICENSE IN ORDER TO DO IT.
AND IT CAN BE THE WILDLIFE HOLDING LICENSE, UH, WHICH THEY GIVE FOR $20.
PDS NOT GONNA BE CHASING HIM DOWN ASKING FOR A PERMIT, WHICH CITY MANAGER ALREADY SAID THAT'S NOT THE OBJECTIVE.
LIKE ALL CODE ENFORCEMENT, IT'S COMPLAINT BASED ANYWAYS.
AND SO UNLESS WE GET A COMPLAINT, YEAH, THEN CODE'S USUALLY NOT OUT THERE LOOKING FOR, UH, TO DO VIOLATIONS.
AND I WILL SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE.
ARE YOU GOOD? UM, THE MAYOR, THE ONLY THING I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, UH, MONIQUE CODY, WHO WORKED ON THE LANGUAGE FOR THIS, HAD PREVIOUSLY SENT OUT THAT ARIZONA GAME AND FISH DOES HAVE REGULATIONS THAT THIS MIRRORS AND IT'S R 12 DASH FOUR DASH 4 0 1 REGULATING, UM, THE EXHIBIT OF LIVE WILDLIFE AND UNLAWFUL ACTS.
AND SO THEY HAD PROVIDED THAT TO US AS THE FRAMEWORK FOR OUR ORDINANCE.
UM, SO GAME OF ITCH DOES REGULATE THIS.
ALRIGHT, LET'S DEREK AND THEN WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS TO A VOTE, UH, TWO FURTHER POINTS AND THEN I'LL SHUT UP.
I THINK OUR FRIEND FROM OUT OF TOWN, WHAT HE'S SAYING IS YOU'VE GOT NATIVE WILDLIFE THAT ARE REGULATED BY ARIZONA GAME AND FISH AND YOU'VE GOT EXOTIC WILDLIFE THAT ARE NOT, IF OUR ORDINANCE COVERS BOTH OF THOSE CATEGORIES, THEN WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING, WELL YOU, IF YOU HAVE THE PERMIT, YOU CAN DISPLAY NATIVE ANIMALS, BUT YOU CAN'T DISPLAY EXOTIC ANIMALS BECAUSE THERE'S NO PERMIT YOU CAN GET THAT WILL ALLOW THAT.
SO, SO MAIN COUNSEL, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT, I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU COULD, PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THAT, BUT IT JUST REQUIRES THE ANIMAL HOLDING LICENSE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER, IT DOESN'T SAY FOR NATIVE OR NON-NATIVE, IT'S JUST YOU NEED THE ANIMAL HOLDING LICENSE.
BUT I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS YOU CAN'T GET THE ANIMAL HOLDING LICENSE FOR A, NOT FOR A NON-NATIVE ANIMAL.
SO, BUT YOU CAN, SO YOU HAVE TO GET THE LICENSE BEFORE YOU COULD EVEN HAVE IT, UH, A NATIVE ANIMAL.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVE THAT YOU HAVE THE ANIMALS TO GET THE LICENSE.
AND SO THERE'S NO PROHIBITION ON GETTING THE LICENSE.
OKAY, BUT WHAT, SO WHAT PERMIT WOULD YOU GET TO DISPLAY A NON-NATIVE EXOTIC ANIMAL? SO FOR THE CITY'S PURPOSES, ALL YOU NEED IS ANY PERMIT FROM THE USDA OR ARIZONA GAME AND FISH, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE.
I, AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING I'M GONNA SAY IS ON THE, ON THE INSURANCE, UM, I MEAN, IS THIS REALISTICALLY JUST PREVENTING IT? WHO'S GONNA, I MEAN, WHO'S GONNA CALL THEIR INSURANCE COMPANY AND SAY, I DISPLAY WILDLIFE, I DISPLAY REPTILES ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.
CAN I GET AN INSURANCE POLICY TO COVER THAT? I JUST, I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE'RE SETTING THEM UP FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE JUST NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET IN THE INSURANCE MARKET.
UM, I THINK IT'S EASY TO GET A RIDER ON YOUR INSURANCE.
SORRY, PUT YOUR HAND DOWN PLEASE.
IT'S EASY TO GET A RIDER ON YOUR INSURANCE FOR ALL SORTS OF PUBLIC SORTS OF, YOU KNOW, DEMONSTRATIONS OF DISPLAYS.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT A HARD THING TO DO.
I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET INSURANCE RIDERS ON EXISTING INSURANCE POLICIES.
HOPEFULLY ANYBODY IN THIS INSTANCE HAS INSURANCE POLICY TO WHICH THEY CAN JUST GET TEMPORARY RIDER IF THEY NEED IT.
UH, LET'S PUT THIS FOR A VOTE BEFORE WE GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
I MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2025 DASH EIGHT EIGHT AMENDING SEDONA CITY CODE TITLE SIX ANIMALS BY ADOPTING A NEW CHAPTER 6.20 WILD OR EXOTIC ANIMAL DISPLAY OR PERFORMANCE.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION? FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.
COUNCILOR FAF IS, UH, IS THE AB ABSENT? IS THE NEGATIVE?
[3.h. AB 3244 Approve acceptance of ownership of a portion of right-of-way known as Juniper Drive, between SR 89A and the Juniper Knolls subdivision currently owned by ADOT.]
OKAY.UH, ITEM H AND THAT WAS, UH, RIGHT COUNCIL? YES.
UH, I REQUESTED FOR THAT TO BE, UM, PULLED BECAUSE THERE'S A, UH, IT JUST ONE, A QUICK, VERY QUICK
THIS IS TO ACCEPT OWNERSHIP OF
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A PORTION OF A RIGHT OF WAY, UH, JUNIPER DRIVE, WHICH IS BETWEEN, UH, STATE ROUTE 89 A AND JUNIPER NOLL SUBDIVISION CURRENTLY OWNED BY ADOT.AND I JUST WANT TO VERY QUICKLY WHY THAT'S A BENEFIT TO THE CITY TO TAKE THIS ON.
UH, KURT HARRIS, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, CITY ENGINEER.
UM, KATHY, I'M GLAD TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU.
IT, THIS WAS APPROACHED TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WAS JUST ADO T'S UH, ATTEMPT ABANDON ON ABANDONING OLD, UH, RIGHT OF WAY ACCESS, KINDA LIKE A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT.
AND WHEN THEY WERE DOING THAT PROJECT IN 1999, UM, THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ALIGNMENT OF KALI DESEO, THEY ABANDONED THAT TO MAKE IT TO, UH, JUNIPER IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT INTERSECTION SAFETY, UH, SAFER.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE AREA ATTACHMENTS, ALL OF IT IS SURROUNDED BY CITY OF RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IT MAKES BEST SENSE FOR THE CITY AND, AND ADOT TO GO AHEAD AND ACCEPT THIS ABANDONMENT.
SO THE BENEFIT IS 'CAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW US AN UNINTERRUPTED, UH, MAINTENANCE IN THE AREA THAT WE ALREADY HAVE SURROUNDING THAT'S THE BENEFIT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? OKAY.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION, KATHY? UH, YES.
I MOVE TO, UH, APPROVE THE ACCEPTANCE OF OWNERSHIP OF A PORTION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY KNOWN AS JUNIPER DRIVE BETWEEN SR 89 A AND THE JUNIPER KNOLL SUBDIVISION, CURRENTLY OWNED BY ADOT.
OKAY, CAN I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND.
[5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS]
CURRENT EVENTS BY MYSELF, COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, OR, OR COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS.DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? YES, DEREK.
UH, JUST WANNA ANNOUNCE SEDONA RECYCLES IS TRYING TO RAISE MONEY FOR A NEW BALER THAT THEY DESPERATELY NEED.
UH, SO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE INTERESTED IN SUPPORTING SEDONA RECYCLES, PLEASE CONTACT THEM AND CONSIDER A DONATION.
UM, SO FROM THE COMMUNITY LIBRARY, SEDONA, THEY HAVE A FUNDRAISER HAPPENING IN SEPTEMBER ON THE 28TH OF SEPTEMBER AT FOUR O'CLOCK AT THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.
GRAMMY A WINNER, ALLISON BROWN QUARTET, UM, WILL BE PERFORMING.
THIS IS ACCLAIMED AS ONE OF TODAY'S FINEST PROGRESSIVE BANJO PLAYERS.
ALISON BROWN IS ONE OF THE FOURTH MOST THINKING AND INNOVATING PIANO PLAYERS.
RENOWNED FOR TAKING THE PIANO FAR BEYOND ITS APPALACHIAN ROOTS BY BLENDING BLUEGRASS AND JAZZ INFLUENCES INTO A WIDE ARRAY OF ROOTS INFLUENCED MUSIC, FOLK JAZZ, CELTIC, AND LATIN.
IN MARCH, BROWN RELEASED THE SINGLE FIVE DAYS OUT, TWO DAYS BACK, WHICH WAS A COLLABORATION WITH STEVE MARTIN AND TIM O'BRIEN.
SO DON'T MISS THE CHANCE TO SPEND THE AFTERNOON WITH ALLISON BROWN QUARTET IN THEIR ONLY NORTHERN ARIZONA PERFORMANCE.
THERE ARE LIMITED VIP MEET AND GREET AND SEATING TICKETS AVAILABLE AS WELL, AND THE TICKETS WILL GO ON SALE NEXT WEEK.
UH, AS COUNCIL MAY BE AWARE, THE COMMUNITY BLOCK DEVELOPMENT GRANT PROCESS IS EXECUTED THROUGH NACO AND HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN ON A FOUR YEAR CYCLE, UH, WITH SOME CHANGES ASSOCIATED WITH PRESCOTT VALLEY BECOMING A DIRECT ENTITLEMENT COMMUNITY AND A DESIRE BY NACOG TO, UH, ASSIST THE LESS POPULOUS AND LESS WEALTHY COUNTIES WITHIN THE NACOG REGION.
THERE IS, UM, SOME FLUX, UH, PRESENTLY AT HOW, UH, MONIES WILL BE DISTRIBUTED AND ON WHAT TIME FREQUENCY THE, UH, CITY MANAGER AND, UH, OUR HOUSING, UH, MANAGER ARE BOTH ALSO INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.
UH, AND, UH, DISCUSSIONS ARE UNDERWAY ON THAT.
SO THERE'S NO, UH, FINALITY YET, BUT A OUR PROPOSED, UH, OR OUR AGREED UPON, UM, PROPOSAL, UH, OF HOW TO PROCEED FROM HERE IN A WAY THAT, UH, SEEMS TO TREAT EVERYBODY AS EQUALLY AS POSSIBLE AS THAT WE WOULD MOVE FROM A FOUR YEAR TO A THREE YEAR CYCLE ON CBDG GRANTS.
UM, ALTHOUGH THE AMOUNT WOULD LOWER, UH, BECAUSE OF THE MORE, UH, FREQUENT, UH, RECEIPT OF SAID GRANT.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A, A FURTHER ADJUSTMENT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE BASE LEVEL, UH, AMOUNTS TO BE GRANTED TO ALL COUNTIES.
UH, SO IF THAT WASN'T CONFUSING ENOUGH, I'LL TRY TO COVER
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IT AGAIN WHEN THERE'S A LITTLE MORE FINALITY.BUT, UH, JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR BEING ON TOP OF THAT.
THAT'S REALLY, IT'S VERY CURRENT TOO.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT I HAVE BEEN, UH, VERY HONORED TO BE PART OF A NEW PROGRAM TO CO-SPONSOR OR SUPPORT WITH, UH, SUPERVISOR CHECK, UH, IN SEDONA AND ACTUALLY IN THE VOC FOR A SUPERVISOR CHECK CALLED SIP SMART SEDONA, WHERE WE'RE ENCOURAGING RESTAURANTS TO NO LONGER PROVIDE, UH, WATER ON THE TABLE OF, OF EACH RESTAURANT UNLESS ASKED IF THE CUSTOMER WANTS IT, THEY COULD ASK AND TO GET ALL THE WATER THEY WANT.
BUT SOME RESTAURANTS WERE COMPLAINING THAT THEY'RE WASTING WATER.
IT COSTS MORE FOR THEM TO WASH THE, THE, UH, GLASSES AND THEY WANT TO CUT BACK ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER USE USED.
SO, UH, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY CREATED THIS NEW PROGRAM, TOTALLY VOLUNTARY.
DOESN'T COST THE CITY OR THE COUNTY ANY MONEY AT ALL.
IT'S JUST JOINING TOGETHER, TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE LESS WATER.
I HOPE IT WORKS OUT AND I'M REALLY PROUD TO BE PART OF THAT.
SO, UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, THE PUBLIC FORUM.
MR. MAY THE EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT? UH, YES, THAT'S, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THAT AND I, OKAY.
SO DO WE HAVE, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT? UH, KURT, DO YOU WANNA GIVE THAT? YES, MR. MAYOR, JUST BRIEFLY AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED, UH, THE CITY'S LEGAL COUNSEL TO ACT AS INSTRUCTED IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
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UH, PUBLIC FORUM.MADAM CLERK, DO YOU HAVE SOME CARDS? YES.
UH, DOUG FITZPATRICK, UH, WOULD BE, UH, NUMBER ONE.
I THOUGHT I SAW YOU IN THE AUDIENCE.
DOUG, I'M SURE YOU KNOW YOURSELF WITH YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY TIM PERRY.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF.
I, UH, RESIDE IN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK ON JUNE 6TH.
I SUBMITTED, UH, I MADE AN, AN, UH, AN AGENDA SUBMISSION TO YOU ON AN ISSUE INVOLVING ADOT.
UM, IN RESPONSE TO THAT SUBMISSION, ON THE SAME DAY I RECEIVED A VOICE MESSAGE FROM THE MAYOR, YOU WHO COMMUNICATED THAT HE DID NOT SUPPORT PUTTING MY CONCERN ON THE AGENDA, BUT THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL WOULD DO, APPARENTLY, RECOGNIZING THAT WHETHER TO PUT THE MATTER ON THE AGENDA WAS YOUR COLLECTIVE DECISION, NOT HIS.
UH, TWO WEEKS LATER I HAD NOT HEARD FROM THE, THE, THE COUNCIL.
SO I SENT A FOLLOW UP EMAIL IN WHICH I SAID, I ASSUME THAT I'LL BE NOTIFIED WHEN A DECISION HAS BEEN MADE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, ABOUT A PUBLIC DISCUSSION CONCERNING MY SUBMISSION.
IN RESPONSE TO THAT FOLLOW UP EMAIL, I RECEIVED ANOTHER VOICE MESSAGE FROM THE MAYOR IN WHICH HE COMMUNICATED I TOLD YOU A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AND I'LL TELL YOU AGAIN, THIS MATTER IS NOT GOING ON THE AGENDA.
IF THE MAYOR HAD INPUT FROM YOU, WHEN HE LEFT THAT MESSAGE, HE DIDN'T SAY.
SO, THESE EVENTS PROMPTED ME TO TAKE A CAREFUL LOOK AT THE RULES, WHICH GOVERN THE CREATION OF AGENDAS.
AND, AND WHAT I LEARNED IS THAT AS OF MARCH OF THIS YEAR, DEPARTMENT HEADS THE CITY MANAGER AND THREE COUNSELORS HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PLACE MATTERS ON THE AGENDA.
THE ONLY WAY THAT ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN GET A MATTER ON THE AGENDA IS THROUGH THE COLLECTIVE COUNCIL.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE RULES WHICH AUTHORIZES THE MAYOR TO UNILATERALLY TAKE AN ISSUE OFF THE TABLE BEFORE IT'S CONSIDERED BY THE REST OF THE COUNCIL FOR THE MAYOR TO EXERCISE PEREMPTORY VETO RIGHTS OVER POSSIBLE AGENDA ITEMS. USURPS YOUR AUTHORITY AND YOUR ROLE UNDER THE RULES THAT RELATE TO CREATION OF AGENDAS.
TO DATE, I HAVE NOT HAD A RESPONSE FROM THE COUNCIL.
I'VE ONLY HEARD FROM THE MAYOR WHO IS EXPRESSING HIS OWN VIEWS CONCERNING MY PROPOSED SUBMISSION.
PERHAPS THERE ARE THREE OF YOU WHO ARE OPEN TO HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ISSUES RAISED IN MY PROPOSED AGENDA ITEM.
IF THE MAYOR DOESN'T SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL, HE CAN CERTAINLY CHIME IN.
I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN, UH, HEAR BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE AND HAVE AN UP, UP,
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OR DOWN VOTE, BUT WE NEED TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA FIRST.AND SINCE YOU'VE ADDRESSED ME PERSONALLY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I DID SAY THAT FOR THE SECOND, UH, PHONE CALL.
IF YOU DIDN'T HEAR FROM THE COUNSELORS, THEN THERE WOULD'VE BEEN NO INTEREST FROM THEM LIKE YOU HEARD FROM THEM.
YOU ADDRESSED IT TO ALL OF US.
AND YOU ALREADY SAID YOU DID NOT HEAR FROM ANYBODY ELSE OF INTEREST.
IS THAT RIGHT? I, I DID, I DID NOT HEAR FROM ANYONE OTHER THAN YOU.
AND YOU MADE IT CLEAR THAT YOU WERE SPEAKING FOR YOURSELF, CORRECT? I, AND I NEVER SAID I WAS SPEAKING FOR THE OTHER SIX, BUT YOU DIDN'T HEAR FROM THE OTHER SIX.
BUT, BUT, BUT WHEN I MADE A COMMUNICATION TO THE COLLECTIVE COUNSEL ASKING SPECIFICALLY TO HEAR FROM THEM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I WAS ASSURED BY CITY STAFF THAT I WOULD NOT BE LEFT HANGING.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY HOW I FELT.
UH, I'D LIKE THE ATTORNEY TO WEIGH IN, PLEASE.
THIS, THIS IS, WE'RE IN PUBLIC FORUM, WHICH THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON THE RESPONSE THAT CAN COME FROM THE DAIS.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE ATTORNEY AS TO THE LIMITS ON THOSE RESPONSES.
PLEASE, MR. MAYOR AND COUNSELS, UM, COUNCILOR ELLI, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO RESPOND TO CRITICISM DIRECTED AT YOU MM-HMM
THAT CRITICISM, CRITICISM IS NOW GEARED TOWARDS STAFF.
UM, AND STAFF CAN TAKE DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL IF YOU WANT US TO DO ANYTHING FURTHER, UH, LIKE RESEARCH THE MATTER OR LOOK INTO IT.
ANNETTE, DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND OR ARE YOU FINE? OKAY.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE A RESPONSE, BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE ON YOUR, UM, STANDING AGENDA OR REVIEW OF THE UPCOMING MEETING SCHEDULE, WHERE COUNCIL'S ALLOWED TO REQUEST DIFFERENT ITEMS TO COME ON THE MM-HMM
MY NAME IS TIM PERRY, AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
IN TONIGHT'S INSTALLMENT OF THE SYSTEMATIC LIES TOLD BY THE CITY OF SEDONA, UH, WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS, UH, THE CITY'S NEW ANTI PANHANDLING SIGNS THAT, UH, CHRIS DIAL HAS FINALLY MANAGED TO JAM DOWN EVERYBODY'S THROATS.
THE SIGNS STATE THAT IT'S OKAY NOT TO GIVE TO PANHANDLER.
WELL, FOR ANYONE WHO, UH, DESCRIBE SUBSCRIBES TO ANY OF THE ETHICAL SYSTEMS LIKE, UH, CHRISTIANITY, BUDDHISM, TAOISM, JAINISM, OR AISM, OR ANY OF THE CLASSIC VIRTUE ETHICS, THAT STATEMENT IS FLATLY UNTRUE.
GIVING TO OTHERS UPON REQUEST IS A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF ALL OF THESE ETHICAL SYSTEMS. IT'S NOT OPTIONAL.
YOU DON'T GIVE, YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY BELONG TO ONE OF THOSE SYSTEMS. ANY MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL, ANY MEMBER OF THIS STAFF, AND ANY OF US IN THE PUBLIC WHO SAY WE SUPPORT THESE SIGNS ARE SAYING THAT WE ARE NOT AND CANNOT BE A CHRISTIAN, A BUDDHIST, OR ANY OTHER SIMILAR FORM OF ETHICIST.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THOSE WHO DO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THESE SIGNS WILL BE SAYING THAT THEIR MORAL VALUES ARE GREED, SELFISHNESS, ELITISM, AND MATERIALISM.
SELFISHNESS HAS NO PLACE IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY.
CIVILIZED SOCIETIES ARE BUILT ON VOLUNTARY ALTRUISM AND COOPERATION WITH ONE ANOTHER.
HOWEVER, SINCE WE DO HAVE THESE SIGNS UP, NOW, THEY ACT AS A VERY CLEAR STATEMENT OF WHERE THE COUNCIL'S PERSONAL CHARACTER AND PERSONAL ETHICS ARE.
YOU POUR THINGS, YOU SIT THERE WITH ALL YOUR MILLIONS, AND NOT ONLY CAN YOU NOT EVEN SPARE A FEW PENNIES FOR THE POOR OF THIS TOWN, YOU ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN SPENDING PUBLIC FUNDS TO TRY TO DETER OTHERS FROM GIVING AND MAKING SELFISHNESS THE OFFICIAL POLICY OF THE CITY OF SEDONA.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT REALLY IS LEFT TO BE SAID EXCEPT WOE UNTO YOU, SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, HYPOCRITES, FOR YOU ARE LIKENED TO WHITEN SKER OUTWARDLY BEAUTIFUL, YET INSIDE FULL OF DEAD MEN'S BONES.
OH, WELL, THIS KIND OF NONSENSE WILL JUST MAKE IT ALL THE MORE ENJOYABLE TO GIVE TO THE PANHANDLER AS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE SITTING RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE SIGNS.
BECAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT A CHOICE BETWEEN DOING WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WANTS AND DOING THE RIGHT THING, KNOWING THAT THE GOVERNMENT OPPOSES THE RIGHT THING, MAKES IT ALL THE MORE EASY TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT.
WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC FORUM.
WE'LL GO TO ITEM SEVEN, REC, UH, PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS, WHICH WE HAVE NONE.
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AB 32 22 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING, UH, A RESOLUTION APPROVING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH DUTCHMAN COVE, LLC FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A 99 YEAR PUBLIC SHARED USE PATH IN EXCHANGE FOR, UH, LOT LINE AND EASEMENT ADJUSTMENTS, AND A CITY CONTRIBUTION OF 140,000 OF THE, UH, AT THE PROPOSED ANTE CREEKSIDE DEVELOPMENT.I WONDER WHO THAT'S GOING TO BE.
UM, I'LL LET THE, UH, DEVELOPER, UM, REPRESENTING, UH, DUTCHMAN COVES, LLC, GO FIRST AND JUST LEMME GET THEIR PRESENTATION UP HERE FOR THEM, AND THEY CAN GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
UM, AND THEN I CAN DISCUSS, UH, MORE OF THE DETAILS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AFTERWARDS.
SO YOU GUYS ARE FREE TO PUSH FORWARD AND BACKWARDS WITH THESE, THOSE.
THANK YOU, MR. MR. MAYOR, MY NAME IS STEVEN POLK.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH BOYLE PETRICH KLEIN TON STALLINGS, UH, 1 25 NORTH GRANITE STREET, PRESCOTT, ARIZONA.
UH, AND, AND WITH ME TODAY I HAVE MIKE STEVENSON AND HIS DAUGHTERS, UH, JENNIFER MAY AND COLLEEN TBRE AND HIS GRANDSON, JESSE REEVES, UH, PRESENTING ON THE AMANTE CREEKSIDE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO YOU.
SO WE HAVE THE, UH, THE DEVELOPERS ARE THE STEVENSON FAMILY.
YOU'LL KNOW THEM AS, UH, THE DEVELOPERS AND OWNERS AND OPERATORS OF AMANTE RED ROCKS.
THAT'S THE, THE CURRENT AMANTE HOTEL HERE.
UH, AND AS, AS PART OF DEVELOPING THIS AMANTE CREEKSIDE, UH, THERE'LL BE KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A REBRANDING.
SO THE CURRENT ONE WILL BE CALLED AMANTE RED ROCKS.
UH, UH, YOU ALSO WOULD KNOW THE STEVENSON FAMILY FROM THE MARIOSA, UH, RESTAURANT HERE, WORLD RENOWNED RESTAURANT.
INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY.
UH, THEY DEVELOP THAT, THEY OWN THAT.
UH, AND NOW IT'S OPERATED IN PARTNERSHIP, UH, WITH THE ACCLAIMED CHEF LISA DAHL.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, THE STEVENSON FAMILY OWNS AND OPERATES MOLDING GRAPHICS SYSTEMS. THAT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST PRIVATE MANUFACTURERS.
UH, THEY'RE LOCATED OUTTA CLARKDALE.
UH, UM, SO DEEP TIES THE COMMUNITY.
YOU'LL HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT, UH, LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION.
AND THEN THE ENGINEER OF RECORD IS LUKE SEFTON HERE OUT OF SEDONA.
AND THEN THE ARCHITECT IS STEVEN THOMPSON, ALSO OUT OF SEDONA.
UH, UH, SO I'M REALLY THE, THE LONE WOLF HERE, ALTHOUGH I AM A FOURTH GENERATION PRESCA WITH A DEEP APPRECIATION OF SEDONA AND THE OUTDOORS.
UH, BRIEFLY, AMBI RED ROCKS HAS, UH, RECEIVED SOME INCREDIBLE ACCOLADES, AND IT IS TRULY A SPECIAL RESORT.
IT'S THE ONLY TWO KEY MICHELIN HOTEL IN ALL OF ARIZONA.
UH, IT TRAVEL AND LEISURE AWARDED AT THE WORLD'S BEST AWARDS BACK, UH, LAST YEAR, UH, AT ARIZONA TRAVEL AWARDS THAT RECEIVED BOTH BEST HOTEL IN ARIZONA 2024, UH, AFAR AWARDED AT BEST HOTELS.
2024 MADE THE LIST AND, UH, L MAGAZINE BEST SPAS TO VISIT IN 2024 AS WELL.
UH, SO THE, THE PLAN FOR AMTE CREEKSIDE, WHICH IS THE ONE WE'RE HERE ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THAT'S A, IT'S ON 19 ACRES OF PROPERTY ON OAK CREEK, THE, THE NORTHERN PART OF, IN UPTOWN HERE, UH, THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE 36 ATRIUMS. SO ONLY 36 HOTEL UNITS.
UH, AVERAGE SIZE OF EACH OF THOSE UNITS WILL BE 875 SQUARE FEET.
THEY EACH COME WITH A PRIVATE HOT TUB AND A FIRE PIT.
THERE'LL BE A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT SPA AND A WELLNESS FACILITY, A, UH, THE RESTAURANT ON SITE, WHICH WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC DUTCHMAN'S COVE RESTAURANT.
AND THAT'S, UH, IN HOMAGE TO ACTUALLY THE, THE DUTCHMAN'S COVE RESTAURANT THAT PREVIOUSLY EXISTED ON THE PROPERTY, UH, BURNED DOWN IN THE SEVENTIES.
BUT THAT PROPERTY, UH, THAT DUTCHMAN'S COVE RESTAURANT WAS O OPERATED BY, UH, THE STEVENSON FAMILY AND MIKE'S FATHER HERE, UH, THERE'LL BE A FITNESS CENTER, A MOVEMENT STUDIO.
THERE'LL BE A LUXURY POOL GROTTO AREA.
AND THEN, UH, I WANNA MAKE IT REAL CLEAR, THE, THE CURRENT SITE PLAN WE PRESENTED LAST WEEK IN, IN FRONT OF PLANNING AND ZONING ON A, ON A CONCEPT REVIEW APPLICATION.
AND WE GOT SOME FEEDBACK THAT TO DO A PRIVATE CANOPY WALK, WHICH WOULD BE ELEVATED HIKING TRAILS, UH, UH, ON, ON WEST OF OAK CREEK, UH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY IS ZONED A RESIDENTIAL ZONING THAT REQUIRE COMING IN FOR A REZONING.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN DOING, SO THAT THAT'S SCRATCHED AND THAT THAT'S REMOVED WHERE THERE'S, UH, SO WHAT WE'RE COMING TO YOU TODAY THERE, THERE'S NO PLAN TO BUILD A, ANY SORT OF PRIVATE ELEVATED CANOPY WALK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, OF THE CREEK.
UH, I WANNA TO SHOW YOU THESE TWO PHOTOS.
THESE ARE TWO PHOTOS THAT I JUST TOOK ACTUALLY, OF MY CELL WITH MY CELL PHONE OUT HIKING.
THE ONE ON THE LEFT HERE IS AN OVERLOOK FROM HUCKABEE TRAIL.
UM, A COUPLE SLIDES FROM NOW, YOU'LL SEE THE, UH,
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DISCUSSION ON THE, THE, THE PUBLIC TRAIL EASEMENT.UH, BUT THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS OVERLOOK FROM HUCKABEE TRAIL, KIND OF THAT OPEN GRASSY FIELD THERE.
THAT IS, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE DEVELOPMENT SITE OR MAYBE JUST OFF TO THE RIGHT, THAT THAT EXISTING KIND OF LARGER STRUCTURE IS THE BEST WESTERN ROYAL ROADWAY HOTEL.
UH, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HERE IS A PICTURE OF KIND OF THE ENTRYWAY TO, UH, UH, THE DUTCHMAN'S HOLE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE PLAN, WHICH WILL, WHICH WILL BE UP IN A SECOND, BUT, UH, UP AGAINST THE CLIFFS.
AND THEN OFF ON THE LEFT THERE, DUTCHMAN'S HOLE IS THIS INCREDIBLE DEEP AREA OF THE CREEK.
IT'S OVER 10 FEET DEEP AND EXTENDS ALMOST, ALMOST 30 FEET FROM SIDE TO SIDE.
UH, JUST CREATED NATURALLY FROM THE WAY THE, THE CREEK HITS THE CLIFFS AND THEN MOVES ON TO THE LEFT.
ALRIGHT, SO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, WE'VE BEEN IN, IN NEGOTIATIONS WORKING WITH, UH, WE WROTE UP A PROPOSED LETTER OF INTENT AND THEN, UH, BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND STAFF, UH, IS THAT SINCE JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, UH, I WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THE NOTHING IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT GRANTS TO US THE RIGHT TO CONSTRUCT ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, HOTEL UNITS OVER WHAT WE COULD BUILD TODAY WITHOUT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UH, WHICH IS, WE'RE PROPOSING 36 UNITS.
AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE COULD ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT MORE THROUGH A, A RELATIVELY SIMPLE SUBDIVISION PROCESS.
UM, BUT WE, THAT'S NOT THE PLAN.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPT AMBI, BEYONCE HOTEL IS THIS INCREDIBLY HIGH TOUCH, PERSONALIZED EXPERIENCE.
YOU SHOW UP, THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE STAFF, THEY KNOW YOUR NAME.
IT'S REALLY A, A INCREDIBLE LANDSCAPE HOTEL EXPERIENCE.
UH, THE PART OF, IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THERE'S A $140,000 COST REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE CITY FOR OUR COSTS INVOLVED IN, IN CONSTRUCTING THIS PUBLIC ACCESS TRAIL.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S A, THERE'S A CITY HELD EASEMENT THAT, THAT KIND OF CUTS THROUGH THE MILL OF THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT'S LIMITED.
IT, IT ACTUALLY EASEMENT IS JUST TIED TO THE, UM, A PIECE OF PROPERTY THE CITY ACQUIRED FOR THAT PUMPHOUSE STATION DOWN THERE.
SO IT'S NOT A PUBLIC TRAIL EASEMENT AT ALL.
THAT'S LIMITED TO INTERNAL MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS JUST TO BENEFIT THAT PUMP HOUSE PROPERTY, ACTUALLY.
BUT IT'S PART OF DOING THE, THE REAL ESTATE CLEANUP ON OUR END, WE WE'RE ASKING YOU GUYS TO ELIMINATE THAT EASEMENT SO THAT THAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UH, ALL RIGHT, SO THE PUBLIC TRAIL EASEMENT, UH, THIS WILL BE A, IT'S A PUBLIC ACCESS RECREATIONAL TRAIL.
THE OBLIGATIONS ARE, WE HAVE TO START IT AT THE O AND B WAY ROUNDABOUT AND HIGHWAY 89 A, UH, WE HAVE TO GET TO THE, KIND OF THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY ONTO NATIONAL FOREST THERE.
THAT'S WHERE IT'LL TERMINATE AND, AND THE CITY WILL TAKE OVER FROM THERE.
UH, WE'RE REAL CLEAR, THERE'S NO, THERE'S GONNA BE NO ACCESS TO, TO GET OUT BEYOND THAT POINT.
UH, UM, AND, AND UNLESS AND UNTIL THE CITY EITHER DOES A, UH, UH, A CREEK WALK, WHICH HAS BEEN PROPOSED, AND, AND CLEARLY COUNCIL HAS NOT TAKEN ANY ACTION TO, TO ACCEPT OR APPROVE THAT OR, OR TO FUND THAT IN ANY MANNER.
BUT THAT'S, I KNOW THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, UH, OR PROBABLY THE, THE BETTER ONE AND, AND GREATER ONE, UH, THE GREATER BENEFIT TO THE CITY IS CONNECTING THIS THROUGH NATIONAL FOREST TO HUCKABEE TRAIL.
UH, YOU KNOW, IMAGINE FROM RIGHT FROM UPTOWN SEDONA THERE, YOU, YOU HOP ON THIS TRAIL, YOU GET UP ON, ON THE HUCKABEE TRAIL SYSTEM WITHOUT HAVING TO DRIVE THROUGH SEDONA AND BACK AROUND, UH, ALL THE, ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE SEDLEY HILL TRAIL ACCESS, UH, AND FROM HUCKABEE TRAIL.
IT'S A, IT'S A VERY SHORT HIKE, ACTUALLY, UP TO GRASSHOPPER POINT.
UH, OR, OR I THINK YOU'LL HEAR FROM KURT LATER.
THERE'S SOME PRETTY GOOD OPTIONS TO LOOP IT BACK INTO MIDTOWN SEDONA PRETTY EASILY TOO.
WE MAY ELEVATE THIS AS A CANOPY WALK.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH A COUPLE ITERATIONS OF THIS, BUT WE KIND OF, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE OVERALL FEASIBILITY AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S NOTHING IN THIS AGREEMENT OBLIGATES US TO ELEVATE THIS INTO A CANOPY WALK.
I THINK WE'D LOVE TO, UM, IF IT WORKS OUT.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME REAL BEAUTIFUL FEATURES.
AND IF YOU'VE EVER EXPERIENCED ONE OF THESE CANOPY WALKS, I THINK IT'S AN INCREDIBLE WAY TO, UH, EXPERIENCE NATURE.
AND, UH, BUT WHILE STILL KIND OF PROTECTING AND PRESERVING THE ENVIRONMENT, UH, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PUBLIC EXIT POINT AT THE NATIONAL FOREST BOUNDARY RIGHT NOW, UNLESS UNTIL, UH, THE CITY CONNECTS TO HUCKABEE TRAIL OR THE, OR THE CREEK WALK.
UH, UM, AND THAT, THAT'S REAL CLEAR.
AND IN FACT, WE'VE TAKEN PAINS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO SAY, EVEN IF THERE'S A CONNECTION TO ONE OF THOSE, IT'S GOTTA BE FENCE TRAILS INTENDED FOR HIKING.
UH, WHAT WE, WHAT WE DON'T WANT, AND BELIEVE US, IS THE PROPERTY, OR WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS ANOTHER SLIDE ROCK TYPE THING HAPPENING ON THE CREEK HERE.
UH, SO IT'S GOTTA BE FENCED AND, AND KEEPING PEOPLE HIKING TO SO THAT THEY CAN RECREATE THE WAY IT'S INTENDED, WHICH IS USE THIS AS A HIKING TRAIL.
UH, AND THEN, UH, THE LAST COMMENT DOWN THERE IS JUST, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TALKS ABOUT A, A PROPOSED CANOPY WALK-IN.
AND THE RED LINE IN FRONT OF YOU, I THINK, ACTUALLY CLARIFIES THAT IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROPOSED.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO, HASN'T BEEN APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AT ALL.
HERE'S A, HERE'S A SLIDE OF THE, UH, SLIDE OF THE SITE
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PLAN.UH, WE PUT A REAL HIGH TECH X THROUGH THE, THAT, UH, PRIVATE CANOPY WALK FEATURE THAT WAS BASED ON, UH, FEEDBACK LAST WEEK AT, AT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON THE CONCEPT REVIEW.
UH, BUT YOU'LL SEE THERE'S THE 36 ATRIUMS THERE, THOSE YELLOW UNITS, AND, AND TWO OF THOSE ORANGE UNITS, UH, KIND OF ALL OVERLOOKING THE CREEK.
AND THEY'LL, THOSE WILL BE SOME INCREDIBLE STUNNING WORLD, WORLD CLASS UNITS HERE.
UH, YOU GOT AN ARRIVALS BUILDING YOUR SPA AND RESTAURANT, UH, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE UP, UP ON THE LEFT THERE, THAT BROWN BUILDING WILL BE, UH, UH, UH, IT, IT'S THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING.
AND THERE'S FOUR HOUSING UNITS IN THERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, UM, WE'RE WILLING TO PROPOSE AND WE ADDED TO THIS LAST DRAFT IS, UH, TO COMMIT TO CONSTRUCTING FOUR HOUSING UNITS.
THOSE WILL BE ATTACHED AS, AS PART OF THAT BROWN BUILDING THERE.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE, THE CURRENT PLAN FOR WHERE THAT CREEK WALK OR, UH, PUBLIC TRAIL ACCESS WOULD GO, UH, WHICH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT MAKES CLEAR.
WE CAN CHANGE THE ALIGNMENT AS PART OF OUR PLANNING PROCESS.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS GET, YOU GET THAT PUBLIC TRAIL FROM THE ROUNDABOUT DOWN TO THE NATIONAL FOREST BOUNDARY.
UH, THAT CURRENTLY MOVE ALONG THE SIDE THERE AND, AND IF, IF YOU'VE WALKED THE SITE OR KNOW THE TOPOGRAPHY, THAT'S, AS YOU GO AROUND THERE, THAT'S KIND OF ELEVATED AROUND THAT SIDE.
SO THERE SHOULD BE SOME REALLY BEAUTIFUL VIEWS, UH, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S A GROUND LEVEL TRAILER ELEVATED UP IN THE, AS A, AS A CANOPY WALK.
AND THEN I, I THINK WITH THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HERE REALLY TO TALK ABOUT THE PLAN, 'CAUSE THAT'LL GO THROUGH THE NORMAL ENTITLEMENTS PROCESS.
UH, THAT'S NOT COVERING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, REALLY.
IT'S ABOUT THE, UH, THE PUBLIC ACCESS TRAIL.
SO I'M JUST GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JENNIFER MAY.
WE GOT A COUPLE SLIDES JUST TO EXPLAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW TRULY AND AND DEEPLY THE FAMILY DOES CARE ABOUT SEDONA.
THIS IS THEIR HOME, AND, UH, THEY INTEND ON MAKING REALLY AN INCREDIBLE PROJECT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY.
MAY I KNOW MOST OF YOU, I THINK ALL OF YOU.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR FAMILY AND ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.
THIS PROPERTY WAS IN OUR FAMILY ONCE BEFORE.
UM, WE FEEL REALLY BLESSED AT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO GET IT BACK.
UM, IN THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE OLD DUTCHMAN'S COVE RESTAURANT.
THIS WAS MY GRANDFATHER'S RESTAURANT THAT MY FATHER HELPED BUILD AND CONSTRUCT.
UM, IN THE LOWER SLIDE, THAT PICTURE ON THE LEFT IN THE FLOWER ADDRESS IS MY MOM.
SHE WAS ACTUALLY PREGNANT WITH ME WHEN WE MOVED THERE, AND I WAS BORN ON THAT PROPERTY.
UM, I'M GONNA JUST SCOOT THROUGH REAL QUICK HERE.
SO, OUR FAMILY HISTORY ACTUALLY STARTS IN SEDONA IN 1911.
MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER MOVED HERE IN 1911 AND LIVED HERE.
THEN MY, MY GRANDFATHER, JOHN STEVENSON CAME OVER AND BUILT DUTCHMAN'S COVE.
MY MOTHER AND FATHER MOVED HERE.
LIKE I SAID, MY SISTER WAS A BABY, HAD ME HERE, HAD MY BROTHER WHILE WE WERE LIVING HERE.
UM, AND DAD WORKED AS A COOK AT THE RESTAURANT AND A BARTENDER.
SO THEIR HEART AND SOUL HAS BEEN DOWN THERE FOR YEARS.
UM, HERE'S ANOTHER PHOTO RIGHT HERE.
THIS WAS ACTUALLY FROM, I BELIEVE, THE RED ROCK NEWS, RIGHT? WAY BACK WHEN.
SO THAT IS A PICTURE OF MY MOM AND DAD RIGHT THERE.
UH, I THINK I WAS BORN 11 DAYS AFTER THAT PICTURE WAS TAKEN.
THAT'S MY GRANDFATHER AND HIS WIFE MARIAN.
AND THAT WAS TAKEN AT THE DUTCHMAN'S COVE RESTAURANT AS WELL AT THE END.
YEAH, THAT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.
I'M, I THINK KURT WILL EXPLAIN MORE ON THE, ON THE DETAILS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
BUT WE'D ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TONIGHT, AND WERE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
KURT, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING BEFORE WE GO TO QUESTIONS? SO, YES, MS. MARY, I JUST HAVE A, A BRIEF PRESENTATION AS WELL CLOSE OUT OF THIS ONE.
UH, FIRST I JUST WANNA GO THROUGH THE, UH, CHANGES, THE KEY CHANGES FROM WHAT WAS IN THE PACKET.
AND THIS IS, UH, FROM DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER AND FROM WHAT CAME OUT OF P AND Z MEETING LAST WEEK.
AND SO, UH, HERE, THE FIRST KEY CHANGE IS THAT THE PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT WOULD NOT BEGIN.
THE EFFECTIVE DATE WOULD NOT BEGIN, CAN YOU SEE MY POINTER? UH, UNTIL THE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION OF THE CANOPY WALK.
AND THAT WAS FEAR OF THE DEVELOPER THAT IF, UH, BEFORE THE, THE, THE PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT WAS GONNA BEGIN AT THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS AGREEMENT.
SO IF THIS COUNCIL APPROVES THIS, THEN PEOPLE WOULD TECHNICALLY BE ALLOWED OUT THERE, UH, BEFORE CONSTRUCTION'S EVEN COMPLETED.
UH, AND THEN ALSO ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE SOME REASONS FOR TERMINATION OF THIS AGREEMENT.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY OR DOES NOT ACTUALLY START CONSTRUCTION ON THE PROPERTY, UH, THEN, UH, THEN THERE WOULD NOT BE THE PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT AS WELL.
IT'S TIED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, ANOTHER KEY CHANGE WAS, UH, AND THIS IS TYPICAL OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
UH, MANY DEVELOPERS LIKE TO LOCK IN THE, UH, LAND USE RIGHTS THAT THEY HAVE CURRENTLY.
SO THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE BUILDING CODES.
UM, AND SO THE EXISTING ONES WOULD
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BE LOCKED IN FOR A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS.UH, BUT THERE IS ONE LARGE, UH, CHANGE THAT'S COMING FORWARD FROM THE STATE THAT'S BEING, UH, FORCED ON THE SMALLER CITIES.
AND THAT'S THE, THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, UH, WILL NO LONGER BE DONE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND HAS TO BE DONE BY THE PLANNING STAFF.
UH, AND SO THIS JUST ALLOWS, RECOGNIZES FOR THAT CHANGE.
SO EVEN WITHOUT THIS BEING IN HERE, COME JANUARY ONE, UM, THE CITY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS.
UM, THAT JUST HAS TO GO THROUGH PLANNING STAFF.
SO IT RECOGNIZES THAT'S CHANGED FROM THE STATE.
UH, THE DEVELOPERS HAVE UPDATED THEIR, THEIR TIMELINE FOR WHEN THEY BELIEVE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CLOSE, UM, WHEN THEY BELIEVE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET ALL CITY APPROVALS.
THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
THEY FEEL LIKE THAT'S A MUCH MORE REASONABLE TIMEFRAME TO GET ALL THE APPROVALS DONE, HOPEFULLY LONG BEFORE THEN.
BUT DEFINITELY BY AUGUST OF NEXT YEAR.
SO A YEAR FROM NOW RATHER THAN DECEMBER 31ST.
UM, WHICH AT THIS POINT WOULD BE A PRETTY TIGHT TIMELINE.
UH, AND THEN ONE OF THE LAST KEY CHANGES WAS THAT THE, UM, ADDING THE HOUSING COMMITMENT, UM, AMANTE AGREES TO CREATE THE FOUR HOUSING UNITS IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE SOME LANGUAGE ON THE, THEY DO NOT, UH, SINCE IT'S NOT A REQUIRED PART OF THE PROJECT, THEY DON'T WANT THE CITY NECESSARY TO DICTATE, UH, THE GENERAL DESIGN CONFIGURATION OF LOCATION OF THE FOUR HOUSING UNITS.
JUST THAT THEY'LL, THEY'LL DO THE FOUR HOUSING UNITS, UM, IN CON OF COURSE THEY'LL DO SO IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE AND ALL THE APPLICABLE LAWS.
UH, ONE OF THE KEY FEATURES OF THIS IS THE, UM, UH, PROPOSED, UH, CREEK WALK THAT COULD CONNECT TO THE CANOPY WALK.
UH, THIS IS THE GENERAL PLAN THAT WAS HAVE HAS BEEN, UH, KICKING AROUND JUST FOR THIS YEAR OF WHAT THE CREEK WALK COULD LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE CANOPY WALK COULD LOOK LIKE.
SO THIS FIRST PORTION UP HERE, UH, BEGINNING AT THE 89, A SIGN DOWN AROUND THE CORNER TO THIS POINT IS THE CANOPY WALK.
AND SO THAT'S THE PORTION THAT THE DEVELOPERS, IF THIS IS APPROVED, UM, WILL CONSTRUCT THE ABOUT 1800 FOOT LONG, UH, 10 FOOT WIDE, UH, CANOPY WALK.
UM, IT CHANGES, BUT CURRENTLY ABOUT HALF WOULD BE AT GRADE AND HALF ELEVATED.
UM, AND THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON EXACTLY HOW MUCH THEY WOULD ELEVATE INTO THE, INTO THE CANOPY.
AND HOW MUCH WOULD JUST BE AT GRADE MORE LIKE A SHARED USE PATH.
I'M SORRY, KURT, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT IN A AGAIN? SO I'VE ALWAYS STRUGGLED TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS CALLED A CANOPY WALK.
AND SO IF, CAN I HAVE YOU REPEAT THAT FOR ME, PLEASE? YEAH.
SO THE, WE, WE CAME UP WITH TWO TERMS FIRST TO DIFFERENTIATE FROM THE CITY'S CREEK WALK.
SO THE CITY'S CREEK WALK WAS, WAS A, YOU KNOW, A, A POTENTIAL, UH, PLAN FOR, UH, WALKING TRAIL ALONG THE CREEK.
UM, CITY'S, UH, HAS THE UNDERPASS THAT CAN VIEW THE CREEK.
UH, THE DEVELOPER TO THE SOUTH ARTIE OLSON HAS, UH, AN EASEMENT GRANTED RIGHT ALONG HERE.
SO THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL FOR THIS CREEK WALK HERE.
AND SO WE'VE CALLED THAT THE CREEK WALK.
UH, THE DEVELOPER WOULD LIKE TO TIE INTO THAT POTENTIALLY.
AND, BUT WE WANTED TO CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE, NOT THE CREEK WALK.
'CAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE, YOU KNOW, AMBIENTE CREEK SIDE PEOPLE WERE GOING TO BUILD.
SO THEY CAME UP WITH THE TERM CANOPY WALK, AND THAT CAME FROM THE IDEA THAT THIS WALKWAY WOULD BE ELEVATED UP INTO THE TREES.
UM, SO IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE JUST A FEW FEET OFF THE GROUND, UM, OR IT COULD GET, UH, MUCH HIGHER, YOU KNOW, 10, 12, 15 FEET OFF THE GROUND, UH, SO THAT THERE'S MORE VIEWS.
UM, THE BENEFIT OF THAT ALSO IS THAT IT CAN, UH, PRESERVE THE ENVIRONMENT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UH, WE ALLOW ANIMALS TO GO UNDER LIGHT TO COME UNDERNEATH.
SO THERE ARE SOME, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS OF IT.
UH, THE DOWNSIDE IS IT'S ALSO A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE, UH, THAN JUST BUILDING A, A PATHWAY ON THE GROUND.
UH, AND SO THOSE ARE THE, I THINK THE CHALLENGES THAT DEVELOPERS, UH, WEIGHING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DOESN'T REQUIRE IT BE ANY OF IT BE ELEVATED, UM, OR REQUIRE ANY OF IT BE AT GRAY, JUST THAT IT CONNECT FROM THE NATIONAL FORCE TO OMB WAY.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S, AND THAT WE GET THE PUBLIC ACCESS AGREEMENT ALONG THAT WALKWAY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR, UM, 99 YEARS.
SO, AND THAT IS AN EXCHANGE FOR THE CITY'S PAYMENT OF $140,000.
UH, AND THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DID, DID THAT WORK, COUNSELOR FURMAN? IT DID.
AND I'M GONNA HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT LATER, BUT THAT'S GOOD FOR NOW, KURT.
BUT I THINK YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING THAT'S NOT QUITE WHAT'S INTENDED.
YOU MADE IT SOUND LIKE WE'RE PAYING FOR THE EASEMENT, WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR THE EASEMENT, WE'RE PAYING A CONTRIBUTION TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE CREEK WALK OR THE CANOPY WALK, WHATEVER.
SO YEAH, THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS, IS WAS A NEGOTIATION.
AND, AND THE YES, IN EXCHANGE FOR THE PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT, WE WOULD REIMBURSE, UM, $140,000 OF THE COST
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AFTER IT'S DONE AND OPEN.UM, THEY'D HAVE TO DOCUMENT THOSE COSTS, BUT THE, I MEAN, I THINK THE EX, THE EXPENSE OF IT, EVEN IF IT'S AT GRADE'S, GONNA BE IN THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
UM, AND IF IT'S ABOVE GRADE, IT'LL BE MULTIMILLION, SAY OUR SUP CONSTRUCTION COSTS CERTAINLY WOULD VALIDATE THAT ASSUMPTION.
SO, UM, NOW THIS PLAN HAS BEEN STAFFED, UH, JUST, UH, DRAWN AND IT REALLY IS JUST A, A KIND OF A, A POTENTIAL, UM, COUNCIL'S NOT ADOPTED THIS OR VOTED ON.
AND SO I AGREE WITH A COMMENT FROM THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC SAYING THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE, UM, A PLANNED CREEK WALK.
AND SO WE'VE CHANGED THAT IN THE AGREEMENT TO JUST A, A PROPOSE WE COULD EVEN CHANGE IT TO POTENTIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, IT IS DEFINITELY NOT IN THERE, BUT IT'S MEANT JUST TO ALLOW AND SHOW FOR THE POTENTIAL FUTURE CONNECTION IF THIS IS APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND, AND THEN AMBIENTE CONSTRUCTS IT SO THAT THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT TO CONNECT TO THAT.
SO IT DOESN'T END UP JUST BEING A DEAD END TRAIL ON AMBIENTE PROPERTY.
NOW I DID WANNA JUST SHOW A BRIEFLY A COUPLE OF OTHER OPTIONS.
UM, EVEN IF THE CITY DELETED THE CENTER SECTION OF THE CREEK WALK, IF YOU STARTED HERE AT OMB WAY AND YOU HIKED AROUND, UH, AMBIENTE CREEKSIDE ACROSS THE CREEK, WENT UP TO, UH, HUCKABEE TRAIL, CAME BACK ACROSS TO SEDLEY HILL ROAD, WALKED ALL THE WAY DOWN, UM, TO THE, THE CURRENT, UH, SNUBBY HILL ROUNDABOUT, AND THEN JUST WALKED ALL THE WAY BACK AROUND.
THAT IS A TWO AND A HALF MILE HIKE.
UM, AND YOU GET TO SEE CREEK, YOU GET TO SEE RED WALK, YOU GET TO PASS A BUNCH OF RESTAURANTS, SHOPS, UM, SO PRETTY, UH, PRETTY GOOD OPPORTUNITY IF, UM, RD OLSON COMPLETES THEIR CONSTRUCTION, UH, THEY WILL BE BUILDING THE SHARED USE PATH ALONG THEIR FRONTAGE FROM THIS POINT, ACTUALLY ALL THE WAY UP HERE TO BARE WALLACE.
SO THAT'S THE RED SECTION HERE.
AND THEY HAVE SOME INTERNAL WALKING TRAILS THAT'LL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC HERE AND THE CITY EASEMENT HERE.
SO IF YOU DID THAT SAME WALK AND ARTIE OLSON WAS THERE, YOU COULD WALK AROUND, CONNECT TO HUCKABEE, COME DOWN HERE, AND IF THE CITY BUILDS SOME OF THE CREEK WALK THE CENTER PORTION ACROSS THE CREEK AND THEN BACK UP TO 89 A, YOU NOW HAVE A TWO MILE, UH, ROUND TROOP WALK, WALKING LOOP.
AND THEN LASTLY, IF THE, THESE PROPERTIES ALL RIGHT HERE, THESE TOP THREE ALONG BARE WALLOW AND ALL OF THESE ARE OWNED BY THE CREATIVE LIFE CENTER, IF THEY CONSTRUCT, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION, UM, THAT THEY WOULD BUILD A WALKING TRAIL PERHAPS ALSO.
SO IF YOU CONNECTED FROM THERE, CUT THROUGH THAT PROPERTY WENT AROUND, YOU'D HAVE A ONE AND A HALF MILE YOU WALKING LOOP.
SO THOSE ARE ALL JUST POTENTIALS, UM, SHOWING SOME OF THE VALUE OF THE, UH, WALKING THE CANOPY WALK ON ON CREEKSIDE.
KURT, THE, THE LITTLE GREEN PIECE THAT YOU'RE SAYING YES, THAT ONE, APPROXIMATELY, WHERE WOULD THAT GO? LIKE WHERE, BETWEEN WHAT PROPERTIES WOULD THAT PASS? SO THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD BE ON LAY OF BEARS AND ACROSS THEIR DRIVEWAY, AND IT'D GO UP TO 89 A AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE STAIRS MOST LIKELY.
UM, IT'D BE ONE SECTION, UH, OR YOU COULD DO SOME SWITCHBACKS AND IT WOULD CONNECT THEM TO THE CITY'S ALREADY WIDE AND SIDEWALK AT THE TOP ALONG THE SHARED USE PATH GOING INTO UPTOWN.
BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE AN EASEMENT FROM, CORRECT.
IT'D NEED EITHER COOPERATION, UM, WITH LEAH BEARISH AND ALL THESE EXAMPLES WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE, YEAH, SO THIS SECTION OUTTED RED AND YELLOW EXCLUDES PASSING BY THE BARE WALLOW NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THERE'S OPTIONS TO DO IT EVEN WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE BARE WALLOW NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, BUT ALL OF THIS, SO THIS, THIS IS THE ONLY SECTION THE CITY'S BASICALLY HAS THIS EASEMENT HERE.
THE CITY'S GONNA GET THIS ALONG HERE.
THE REST OF THIS WAS JUST, ARE JUST POTENTIALS FOR WHAT COULD BE A CREEK WALK IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AND THEN, THEN THE END YOUR PASS.
SO EVEN THESE TWO PARCELS RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE, UM, THOSE ARE ALL IN THE FLOODWAY, BUT THEY'RE OWNED BY, UM, THE ANG DECEDENT'S TRUST AND THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY RIGHTS TO THOSE AT THE MOMENT.
SO THERE'S THE 140,000 REIMBURSEMENT.
THERE IS A OAK LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT OAK CREEK PRESERVATION, WHICH IS, UM, GETTING AT TRYING TO PROTECT DEVELOPMENT JUST WITHIN THE NATIONAL FORCE.
IT DOESN'T AFFECT PRIVATE PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT.
SO IF PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS WANNA DEVELOP THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
BUT HERE'S THE CORNER OF, UM, THE CREEKSIDE ON BTE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET.
SO IF YOU JUST KIND OF IMAGINE SWINGING IT AROUND THAT WAY TO THE SOUTH, IT GOES PRETTY FAR.
UM, IF YOU SWING IT AROUND TO THE NORTH, IT GOES UP PAST LOMA CAINE UP TO THE PERMAN LANE, UM, OF FAIRWAYS TOO.
SO THE CITY WOULD NOT PURSUE OTHER PUBLIC ACCESS, UM, PROJECTS IN THE FOREST SERVICE.
OBVIOUSLY THE FOREST SERVICE CAN DO, UH, WHAT IT, WHAT IT WANTS TO, BUT THE CITY WOULD NOT PURSUE ANY OTHER, OTHER THAN
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THE CREEK WALK OR THE, UH, HUCKABEE TRAIL CONNECTION.SO THAT'S, UH, TO AN ATTEMPT TO, UH, KEEP THE OAK CREEK, UM, AS PRISTINE AS IT IS.
UM, THE OTHER ONES, UH, THE DEVELOPER WENT THROUGH BRIEFLY, BUT THERE'S THE LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT THAT THE CITY WOULD BE AGREEING TO THAT JUST PREVENTS THEM FROM HAVING TO DO A SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS THE ALTERNATIVE OPTION THEY HAVE TO GET WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
THE ROADWAY EASEMENT ABANDONMENT, WHICH IS ALONG A SECTION OF ROAD, UM, NOPE, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC, UH, OR AT LEAST IT'S NOT CURRENTLY USED AS A PUBLIC ROAD.
IT'S A SECTION THAT WAS GIVEN AS PART OF THE CITY'S LIFT STATION.
WHEN THE CITY CONSTRUCTED THE LIFT STATION BACK IN THE NINETIES, SEWER LINE RELOCATIONS, CURRENTLY THE CITY SEWER LINES RUN RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT AT THEIR EXPENSE.
THE DEVELOPERS WOULD, WOULD MOVE WITH THE CITY ENGINEER'S, UM, APPROVAL AND GIVE US NEW EASEMENTS FOR THE CITY SEWER LINES THAT WORK FOR BOTH THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER.
UM, THE, AS WE DISCUSSED, THE REGULATION OF DEVELOPMENT PER THE CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR TWO YEARS, A TWO YEAR DIFF FREEZE, THIS IS ALREADY, UM, A STATE LAW REQUIREMENT.
SO IF THEY WERE TO GET PERMITS, UM, WE CAN'T INCREASE THE ANYONE WITH ACTIVE PERMITS.
WE CAN'T OR APPROVALS ON COMMERCIAL THING PROPERTIES.
WE CAN'T RAISE THE DIFF ON PENDING PROJECTS FOR A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS ANYWAY.
THE TERM OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS 20 YEARS.
UM, THERE ARE SOME, UH, ABILITIES BOTH FOR THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT IN THE EVENT OF DEFAULT OR IF THEY FAIL TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT OR IF THERE'S A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS WITHOUT ANY INACT OR TWO YEARS OF INACTIVITY ON THE PROJECT.
SO THAT, UH, ENDS MY PRESENTATION.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, I HAVE A QUESTION, KATHY, AND I'LL WORK YOUR WAY DOWN.
I JUST WANNA HONE IN ON A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT YOU WENT THROUGH THERE TO, TO JUST REITERATE THEM SPECIFICALLY TO MAKE SURE I'M, I'M CLEAR.
FIRST OF ALL, UH, THERE WAS REFERENCE TO THE CANOPY WALK.
YOU SAID 1800 FEET, THE PACKET SAYS IT'S 1400 FEET.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW LONG THE CANOPY WALK IS, NUMBER ONE.
AND NUMBER TWO, THE $140,000 CONTRIBUTION BASICALLY IS BUYING PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE CANOPY WALK WOULD NOT OTHERWISE BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
BUT OF THAT 14 OR 1800, UH, LINEAR FEET, HOW MUCH OF THAT WILL BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC? WILL ALL OF THAT BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC? YEAH, SO I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY AMBIENTE HAS THE ABILITY TO, TO BUILD AT LEAST ON ITS COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY, ADDITIONAL CANOPY WALKS THAT IT COULD HAVE JUST FOR ITS HOTEL GUESTS IF IT WANTED TO.
UH, THE 99 YEAR PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT TO THE CANOPY WALK ONLY SPECIFIES THAT IT COMES FROM THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE NATIONAL FOREST TO OMB WAY.
AND WHAT IS THAT LENGTH? THE EXACT LENGTH? UH, SO THE INITIAL ESTIMATE FROM THE CITY SIDE WAS 1400 FEET, BUT WE WERE TAKING A LITTLE MORE DIRECT ROUTE, UM, AS PROPOSED, AND I DON'T HAVE IT UP AND WELL, IT'S HERE AND PROPOSED THE MORE INDIRECT ROUTE IS ABOUT 1800 FEET IN LENGTH.
UM, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT'S THE, THE INTENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ISN'T TO PIN THEM DOWN.
SO THERE'S JUST A DIRECT LINE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE'S HAVEN'T GOTTEN PERMITS ALL THE WAY APPROVED YET.
AND SO THINGS COULD MOVE OR CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BUT THE, THE WIDTH IS CERTAIN IT'S 10 FEET AND IT HAS TO COME FROM THIS POINT TO THIS POINT.
IF THEY WANTED TO SWING IT AROUND RIGHT BY THE CREEK IN FRONT OF ALL THEIR UNITS, UH, WE WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT TOO.
BUT, UH, SO YEAH, WE'RE NOT, IT'S, WE'RE NOT ATTEMPTING TO, UH, UH, PIN THEM DOWN EXACTLY WHERE IT GOES.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT ENTIRE SECTION WILL HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS.
THERE WILL BE, AND THIS IS THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT AND IT'LL BE, UH, MOST LIKELY UP TO THAT.
I DON'T ANTICIPATE TOO MANY LARGE CHANGES, BUT, UM, THAT'S, AND ANOTHER QUESTION.
SHOW ME AGAIN ON HERE, WHAT THE FUTURE POTENTIAL CONNECTION TO HUCKABEE EXACTLY WHERE THAT CONNECTION WOULD BE.
I, I DON'T HAVE YOU HAD ONE RENDERING? I THOUGHT, YEAH.
AND SO HUCKABEE TRAIL DOES COME RIGHT THROUGH, RIGHT THROUGH HERE.
SO, AND OKAY, SO IT'S, SO THE RED LINE THERE INDICATES WHAT THE FUTURE POTENTIAL CONNECTION? IT'S THIS BLUE OR THIS BROWN LINE BROWN.
I THINK SO
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S, AND THAT'S ABOUT 800 FEET.
AND THAT, THAT, AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST FUTURE POTENTIAL.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE NEED, UH, TO WORK WITH THE NATIONAL FOREST, WE HAVE TO GIVE THE FOREST SERVICE PERMISSION.
BUT THE, BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE YELLOW, UM, WHICH IS THE PROPOSED CANOPY WALK.
NO, IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE CANOPY.
UM, AND THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE
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IS, WHAT IS THE COMMUNITY CITY PUBLIC BENEFIT TO THE MOVING OF THE SEWER EASEMENT AND THE ABANDONING OF THE ROADWAY EASEMENT? LIKE WHAT'S THE PUBLIC BENEFIT TO THAT? UH, SO NOT NECESSARILY ANY, UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO NO DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC.IT'S NOT AN, THE, THE, THE ROADWAY EASEMENT HAS NOT EVER BEEN USED BY THE PUBLIC.
UM, THE CITY DOES NOT GENERALLY USE THAT.
I'VE CHECKED WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT MM-HMM
UM, UH, THEY, UM, THEY, THEY DON'T NEED IT.
THEY DON'T ANTICIPATE EVER NEEDING IT.
UH, AND THEN ON THE SEWER EASEMENTS, THE CURRENT LOCATION IS FINE, BUT SOME ADDIT SOME DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WOULD BE FINE TOO.
SO IDEALLY WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE SEWER LINES RUNNING UNDERNEATH THE BUILDINGS.
YOU'D HAVE 'EM IN A ROADWAY SO THEY COULD BE MORE EASILY MAIN MAINTAINED OR REPAIRED IN.
SO THE BENEFIT THERE, THE CITY DOESN'T REALLY GET A BENEFIT, BUT THERE IS A BENEFIT TO THE PROJECT, IS THAT OH, YEAH.
SO YOU DEFINITELY, THE, THE PROJECT NEEDS BOTH TO BE MOVED IN ORDER TO GO FORWARD AND THERE'S NO DETRIMENT TO US.
NO, I'VE CHECKED IN WITH THE CITY DEPARTMENTS.
NO ONE FINDS ANY DETRIMENT TO MOVING THE CITY EASEMENTS OR MOVING THAT, UM, THAT INGRESS, EGRESS EASEMENT TO THE CITY'S LIFT STATION.
'CAUSE THE CITY'S LIFT STATION DOWN IN THIS CORNER WILL REMAIN, WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE ACCESS THROUGH ART BARN ROAD.
SO THE EASEMENT RUNS FROM THIS POINT DIRECTLY OVER TO THE CREEK.
UM, SO THE ONLY THOUGHT POTENTIAL THERE WOULD BE IF THE CITY WAS EVER GONNA RUN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT'S ALL OWNED PRIVATELY AND SO IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM POSSIBLE.
BUT IF THE CITY EVER WANTED TO DEVELOP SOME TYPE OF WASTEWATER SYSTEM TO DISCHARGE WASTEWATER INTO THE CREEK TREATED WASTEWATER UP TO THE STANDARDS AND IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE TO DO AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY THOUGHTS REALLY.
WHAT ABOUT WHAT THE CITY COULD EVER DO WITH THE LITTLE EASEMENT RUNNING ALONG HERE.
UM, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY EVER ENVISION NEEDING OR WANTING.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN.
AND THERE'S NO, UH, ZONING CHANGE HERE, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DOES REFERENCE, UM, LOT, LOT LINE ADJUSTMENTS AND AGAIN, THOSE EASEMENTS.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ANY POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH THAT GOING FORWARD WITH THAT, JUST BEING IN THE CORRECT.
SO THERE'S, THE COUNCIL REVERTED THE ZONING TO THIS ONE YEAR AGO IN AUGUST, 2024, UM, TO ITS PRESENT STATE OF COMMERCIAL ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CREEK AND RESIDENTIAL, UH, ON THAT SMALL PARCEL EAST OF THE CREEK.
UM, THE LOT LINE ADJUSTMENTS AND THE MOVING THE EASEMENTS DOES NOT AFFECT THE ZONING.
UM, AND IT'S ALL OF THAT COULD BE RESOLVED THROUGH A SUBDIVISION PLAT AS WELL INSTEAD OF DOING IT THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THANK YOU COUNCILOR KINSELLA FOR SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS WERE EXACTLY MINE.
SO MY LIST GOT NARROWER, BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS.
UH, AND LET ME START WITH, SO I'VE LEARNED A, A LITTLE BIT MORE AND UNDERSTAND THE CANOPY WALK, BUT I MUST TELL YOU THAT I'M A LITTLE, OH, I DON'T KNOW THE WORD.
I'M NOT, THERE'S A WORD IN THERE THAT I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS YET, BUT FOR THE CITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO A CANOPY WALK THAT STAYS ON THE GROUND, I I I JUST FORESEE SOCIAL PRESSURE OR A MEDIA THING IN THE FUTURE ABOUT ONLY SEDONA CAN BUILD A CANOPY WALK THAT STAYS ON THE GROUND.
SO I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WORDS MAY IN HERE AND WHAT SECTIONS MAY NOT BE OR MAY BE ELEVATED IN THE FUTURE.
BUT I SUSPECT ALL OF THE CANOPY WALK IS STUFF WE'RE NOT BUILDING IN THIS PHASE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THIS IS STEVEN POLK, 1 25 NORTH GRANITE STREET, PRESCOTT, ARIZONA.
THE, FRANKLY, I, I THINK AT THIS POINT, THE TERM CANOPY WALK IS JUST BAD DRAFTING AND, AND PROBABLY BAD DRAFTING ON MY PART.
I WAS SITTING HERE EARLIER SAYING AT THIS POINT, REALLY THAT SHOULD, THAT TERM THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SHOULD REALLY JUST SAY AMBI PUBLIC ACCESS TRAIL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF THIS AND, AND THROUGHOUT WE NEEDED A WAY TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE TRAIL GOING THROUGH AMBI BEYONCE'S PROPERTY AND WHAT THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS ARE, WHAT OUR OBLIGATIONS ARE TO THE CITY, VERSUS THE OVERALL IDEA OF WHERE THESE THINGS MIGHT GO WITH THE CREEK WALK OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY.
UM, BUT AT AT THIS POINT IT, IT'S CLEAR WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO ELEVATE ANY OF THIS.
I THINK WE ABSOLUTELY WOULD LIKE TO ELEVATE SOME OF IT.
UM, BUT PROBABLY AMBI, BEYONCE PUBLIC ACCESS TRAIL WOULD BE A BETTER TERM THAT, THAT WE COULD FRANKLY JUST CHANGE, UH, UH, AS PART OF THE APPROVAL HERE.
ANY OTHER, MIKE, YOU WERE LOOK LIKE YOU NO, NO.
YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? I DON'T MEAN TO DO THAT.
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I'M GONNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.THE CANOPY TRAIL WAS, OR THE CANOPY WALK WAS JUST A, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE LOOKED AROUND THE WORLD AND SAW THESE BEING DONE IN A LOT OF PLACES.
WE THOUGHT THEY WERE BEAUTIFUL.
WE THOUGHT THEY WERE A WAY OF PRESERVING, UH, THE, THE NATURAL CREEK SETTING WITHOUT PEOPLE WALKING ON IT.
UH, IT CONTAINS THE PEOPLE, IT GIVES THEM BEAUTIFUL VIEWS.
IT'S EDUCATIONAL, IT'S ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO IN IMPORT SOME OF THAT ON THIS IF IT'S POSSIBLE.
IT'S, THERE'S, IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE IN SEDONA.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE CAN GET IT THROUGH ON PERMITS AND STUFF, SO, RIGHT.
BUT IT'S, IT'S PART OF OUR PLAN.
AND IF THERE WAS A WAY FOR THIS NOT TO BE IN THE DOCUMENTS ABOUT BEING A CANOPY WALK, I THINK WE'D ALL BENEFIT FROM THAT AND THE POTENTIAL MISREADING OF THAT BY PEOPLE INTO THE FUTURE.
UH, MY SECOND QUESTION IS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, BUT PROBABLY NOT MUCH OF A LONGER ANSWER FROM YOU GUYS.
MIKE, WE SPOKE MANY, MANY, MANY MONTHS AGO ABOUT THE IDEA GETTING ACROSS THE CREEK.
AND I, I SUSPECT THAT I'M NOW, UH, EXPOSING HOW MY MIND RAN OFF EARLY ON THIS AND THOUGHT IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL THING.
CONNECT ONCE YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK, CONNECTING TO HUCKABEE IS STILL A FOREST SERVICE PROJECT AND IT'S GONNA TAKE, I DON'T KNOW THE REST OF OUR LIFETIMES IN HERE, BUT GETTING ACROSS THE CREEK IS THE MOST DIFFICULT THING.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT'S WHERE MY MIND WENT WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF THIS PROJECT EARLY ON.
THAT WE WOULD GET ACROSS THE CREEK ON YOUR PROPERTY.
AND THAT WOULD JUST BE NOT EASY.
MAYBE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN TRYING TO GO THROUGH ONTO THE FOREST SERVICE, BUT WAY EASIER.
BUT STILL, MIKE, NOT WITHIN YOUR MY LIFETIME
I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOU TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I DON'T WANNA GET INTO THE DETAILS OF WHY YOU EXED OUT THE SPIDER CANOPY WALK.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE, BUT I SUSPECT IT WAS COMPLICATED.
BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT, DID YOU EVER, WAS IT JUST ME OR DID YOU EVER THINK ABOUT GETTING ACROSS THE CREEK ONTO YOUR PROPERTY AND THEN TO HUCKABEE AT SOME POINT? UM, NO.
THE, THE PLACE THAT WE HAD ALWAYS SELECTED UP FROM THE VERY EARLY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE SHARED PATH GOING DOWN THROUGH OUR PROPERTY WAS ALWAYS TO GO, UH, FROM EITHER ART BARN ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN OR FROM OWENBY WAY ALL THE WAY DOWN AND TO TRY AND GET DOWN TO THE, UH, THE SOUTHERN PART OF OUR PROPERTY.
SO WHERE THAT ENDS RIGHT NOW, WE'RE BACK FROM THE CREEK, PROBABLY THREE OR 400 FEET.
UM, BUT UH, AND THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS CANOPY IDEA, AT LEAST FROM THAT VANTAGE POINT, HAVING A PLATFORM THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE CREEK AND YOU CAN HEAR THE CREEK.
BUT FROM THAT POINT ON, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME SORT OF A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FORESTRY SERVICE OR IN THE CITY'S WORK.
AND IT IS KIND OF IN, IN WORKS A LITTLE BIT.
THERE IS SOME STRONG INTEREST, UH, FROM THE FOLKS THAT BUILD THE TRAILS AND STUFF HERE.
UH, OUR GENERAL MANAGER IS VERY MUCH ACTIVE IN THAT GROUP AND THERE'S CONVERSATIONS RIGHT NOW ABOUT TRYING TO GET TO HUCKABEE TRAIL.
AND, AND I, I, AND I'VE HEARD THAT AS WELL.
AND, AND I BELIEVE THAT, AND I APPRECIATE THE FOREST SERVICE EVEN CONTEMPLATING THE IDEA, BUT I'M A REALIST AS WELL AND KNOW THAT THAT PROJECT IS FAR, FAR AWAY.
AND YOU KNOW, MIKE, AS YOU CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT YOUR PROPERTY AND, AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK, THE IDEA OF CROSSING THE CREEK ON YOUR PROPERTY AND THEN GETTING HUCKABEE, I THINK IS A GREAT PUBLIC BENEFIT.
AND, AND I THINK THAT PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE SOME ROOM TO THINK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THERE AS LONG AS WE SAW THAT CONNECTIVITY TO HUCKABEE TRAIL OVER THERE.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR CONVERSATION WITH ME ABOUT THAT.
OTHERWISE, I, I'LL GO FIRST THEN AS WELL.
MELISSA, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I JUST, YEAH, GO AHEAD.
SO IN THIS PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING, UM, MY LIMITED UNDERSTANDING OF READING THESE KINDS OF DOCUMENTS SAID THAT, OR INDICATED TO ME THAT YOUR PROPERTY ENDS PRETTY MUCH AT THE END OF THIS WALKWAY.
DOES IT CONTINUE THAT? DO YOU OWN THE CREEK AT THAT POINT? SO TO GO ACROSS AT THAT POINT, WE, WE NEED THE FOREST SERVICE.
THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND THAT THE ONLY WAY WE COULD GO ANY OTHER WAY WOULD BE GO INTO YOUR PROPERTY IN ORDER TO GO ACROSS.
SO IT JUST FELT TO ME, I'M JUST SORT OF TALKING TO PETE, IT
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JUST FELT TO ME THAT WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, THIS WAS AS CLOSE AS WE COULD GET WITHOUT GETTING THE FOREST SERVICE INVOLVED TO HELP US GET ACROSS THE CREEK AT THAT POINT.MELISSA, IF I CAN RESPOND, MAYOR, THAT THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE FOREST SERVICE ON ANY PLAN.
I JUST SUSPECT, AND IT'S JUST ME THINKING THAT GETTING ACROSS THE CREEK ON A BRIDGE AT THIS LOCATION IS GONNA BE FAR MORE COMPLEX THAN IF MIKE WAS TRYING TO GET ACROSS THE CREEK FROM HIS PROPERTY TO HIS PROPERTY.
YOU STAND UP AND THEN WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE, THEY'D HAVE TO WORK WITH THE FOREST SERVICE TO DO THAT AND EVERYBODY ELSE, WHATEVER, THREE LETTER AGENCIES, BUT
BRIAN AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, SEEING THE NUMBER OF FOLKS HERE FROM, UH, THE BARE WALLOW NEIGHBORHOOD, I JUST WANT TO HAVE BOTH KURT AND ANNETTE JUST COMMENT THAT OR RESPOND TO, UM, MY QUESTION OF, GEE, HAS ANYTHING CHANGED IN THE LAST YEAR SINCE WE KIND OF PARKED THIS WHOLE IDEA OF A CREEK WALK THAT WOULD BE RUNNING BY THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD? 'CAUSE LAST I CHECKED, NOTHING CHANGED.
AND THAT'S PRETTY WELL PARKED AT THIS POINT.
'CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM A BUNCH OF FOLKS WHEN THIS GOES TO, UM, A PUBLIC HEARING AND UH, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, BUT WE'VE NOT CHANGED ANY DIRECTION ON THAT IN THE PAST YEAR.
SO ON THAT SAME TOPIC, CAN YOU SHOW ME CORRECT KURT, UH, OR JEN, WHOEVER WANTS TO WORK IT, HOW THIS TRAIL ON THIS TOPIC TIES INTO BARE WALLOW? SO IT, IT TIES IN, 'CAUSE THE, THE EXHIBIT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS THIS PLAN, AND THIS IS THE POINT WHERE AMANTE ENDS THEIR RIGHT, UH, PUBLIC ACCESS TRAIL AND THEY ALLOW THE CITY TO TIE INTO IT TWO WAYS, EITHER THROUGH A CREEK WALK HEADED SOUTH, WHICH COULD GO ALONG THIS LINE, OR YOU KNOW, MAYBE THROUGH THE CREATIVE LIFE CENTER IN THE FUTURE, WHO KNOWS, UM, OR ACROSS THE CREEK, UH, TO HUCKABEE.
BUT AS FAR AS, RIGHT, SO THE, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR PURPOSES OF, YOU KNOW, ENTERING INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH AMBIENTE, UM, CREEK SITE ALLOWS THOSE TWO CONNECTIONS THERE TO GO TO DO ONE OR EITHER OR BOTH.
BUT THIS DISCUSSION HERE IS REALLY FOCUSED ON THIS APPLICATION.
SO NOT EITHER ONE OF THE OTHERS POSSIBILITIES.
20 YEARS FROM NOW, ITAL, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ONLY SOLIDIFIES IF COUNCIL PROVES IT WILL SOLIDIFY, UM, THIS PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT TO THIS POINT.
AND THAT'S DISCUSSION AND THAT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NO FUNDING FOR ANYTHING ELSE CURRENTLY, UM, SET ASIDE OR ANY CONCRETE PLANS OR ANY APPROVALS FROM ALL THE, FROM THE FOREST SERVICE OR ANY OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS AND, UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW IT TO MOVE ANY FURTHER THAN THAT AT THIS POINT.
SO MIKE AND JEN COMING TO THAT, AND IT'S HARD FROM WHAT I'M SEEING ON HERE, BUT WHERE THE RED LINE GOES DOWN TO CONNECTION TO HUCKABEE TRAIL, IF IT ENDED THERE, THAT'S JUST THE DISCUSSION FOR TODAY.
THE PEOPLE FROM BARE WALL TUNNEL.
IT'S AT OUR PROPERTY RIGHT AT OUR PROPERTY LINE.
WHAT'S THAT? NOT THE RED LINE AT ALL.
IT STOPS AT THE END OF OUR PROPERTY.
THAT'S WHAT I, WHAT I WANT TO, TO KNOW DEREK,
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I'D LIKE A TO MAKE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSULT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR, FOR LEGAL ADVICE.ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
DEREK, YOU WANT TO NOW? UH, I'VE HAD THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
DO YOU WANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL? YOU'RE FINE.
ASKED AND ANSWERED, ASKED AND ANSWERED.
OKAY, THEN WE'VE DONE OUR QUESTIONS.
[8.a. AB 3222 Discussion/possible action regarding a Resolution approving Development Agreement with Dutchman’s Cove, LLC for construction of a 99 year public shared-use path in exchange for lot-line and easement adjustments and a City contribution of $140,000 at the proposed Ambiente Creekside development. (Part 2 of 2)]
TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UM, WE'LL OPEN THAT UP.WE HAVE, UH, LAUREN THOMAS BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MARY WAGNER.
CAN I GO FOR TIME, MARY WAGNER? SURE.
SO WHO'S THIS? THIS IS MARY WAGNER.
AND I LIVE IN, UH, PHOENIX AND SEDONA, UH, IN BARE WALLO LANE.
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SO HOPEFULLY WHAT I'M GONNA SAY, IT MIGHT BE A MOOT POINT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW YET.SO, IN DECEMBER OF 2024, DURING THE SETTLEMENT MEETING FOR THE OAK CREEK CARRIAGE LODGE WAS THE FIRST TIME WE ALL HAD SEEN THIS NEW IDEA OF A CREEK MAP CONCEPT.
IN THIS SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, IT NOTED THAT THE OAK CREEK PLAN, AKA, THE CREEK WALK, WAS NOT APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL NOR FUNDED.
THE DISCUSSION OF THIS CREEK WALK WAS THEN CONTINUED DURING THE COUNCIL'S WORKING SESSION IN MID-DECEMBER.
AT THIS POINT, THERE WERE COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL THAT THE PIECEMEAL APPROACH WAS MESSY AND THAT THINGS NEEDED TO BE ALIGNED.
IN MID-JANUARY OF 2025, WE REACHED OUT TO COUNCIL AND EXPLAINED WHY THIS WAS HARMFUL TO THE BARE WALLOW NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHY IT DIDN'T ALIGN TO THE PRINCIPLES OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
DURING THE FEBRUARY 12TH MEETING FOR A FOLLOW UP ON COUNCIL'S PRIORITY, THE CREEK WALK WAS TABLED UNTIL FEBRUARY 25TH MEETING, UM, WHERE THE ADO PARCEL WOULD BE DISCUSSED.
SO THAT'S THE PARCEL Y'ALL BOUGHT, WHAT? WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS? I WAS AT THE FEBRUARY 25TH, 2025 MEETING.
THE COUNCIL DISCUSSED THE RESULTS OF THE CITY BUDGET SURVEY, WHERE 75% OF THE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA OPPOSED THE CREEK WALK.
I SPOKE AT THIS MEETING AND SHARED MY FAMILY AND NEIGHBORHOODS CONCERN, AND THAT THE MEETING, THE ADOT PARCEL PARCEL WAS DISCUSSED AND WAS DECIDED TO PARCEL, I'M SORRY, PURCHASE THE PARCEL AS FOR A CON CONSERVATION, NOT FOR CREEK WALK, BUT JUST CLEAN IT UP AND FOR CONSERVATION.
AS, AS AT THAT TIME, IT FELT LIKE WE WERE BEING LISTENED TO.
CERTAINLY AFTER MORE INFORMATION ON THE BUDGET SURVEY WAS PUBLISHED FOR THE PUBLIC REVIEW, AND JUST LIKE US, THE COMMUNITY OVERWHELMINGLY SAID THEY DID NOT WANT THE CREEK WALK OR SUPPORTED FUNDING FOR IT.
YOU CAN READ SEVERAL COMMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED STATING SUCH AROUND THE SAME TIME, THE BARE WALLOW NEIGHBORHOOD INVITED THE COUNCIL TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO HIGHLIGHT THE DANGERS OF FLOODING AS WE FELT THAT THE TRUE MAGNITUDE WAS NOT UNDERSTOOD BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE, THE SENSE OF MEETING WAS STILL NOTHING HAD BEEN DECIDING AT THIS POINT.
AND APRIL 25, UM, APRIL OF 2025, WHEN THE BUDGET STARTED BEING DISCUSSED, WE REACHED AGAIN, REACHED OUT AGAIN ON BEHALF OF OUR FAMILIES AND NEIGHBORHOOD TO EXPRESS THE ISSUES WITH THE CREEK WALK IN MAY, JUNE OF 20 25, 20, THE TIMEFRAME, THE FUNDING FOR THE 26 CREEK WALK.
VERY BASIC THING, BARE WALL DOESN'T NEED A CREEK WALK, SO I HOPE WE GO WITH THE ONES WITH A LITTLE DASHES.
UM, I LIVE IN SEDONA, IN SCOTTSDALE.
UM, I WROTE THIS OBVIOUSLY PRIOR TO THE MEETING TONIGHT.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL CHANGES MADE TO THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT OR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND I THINK THAT KIND OF ROBS THE PUBLIC OF THE ABILITY TO WEIGH IN, UM, WITH WHEN THINGS ARE CHANGED BEFORE THEY'RE, UM, MET ON.
SO THIS WAS KIND OF PREPARED BEFORE, SO IT HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
UM, ONE THING IS THE COUNCIL PACKET SUGGESTED THAT PNZ WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND THIS AGREEMENT.
HOWEVER, IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING PACKET, IT SAID THAT IT WAS THERE, UM, BUT IT WAS NOT PART OF THEIR REVIEW.
SO I THINK THOSE KIND OF CONTRADICT EACH OTHER.
UM, SECONDLY, THE AGREEMENT CALLS THE, UH, A CITY CREEK WALK PLANNED AND COMMITS FUNDING TO IT.
UM, I'VE NOT SEEN A COUNCIL APPROVED PLAN, UM, OR BUDGETS FOR IT, AND THAT WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED TODAY.
SO I THINK THAT THOSE TWO DON'T ALIGN WITH EACH OTHER.
UM, IT ALSO STATES THAT THE EXHIBITS ATTACHED ARE CONFIRMED, IS ACCURATE.
SO IF THIS CREEK WALK PLAN IS NOT A PLANNED THING, IT SHOULDN'T BE INCORPORATED AS ACCURATE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, IT'S UM, INCLUDES CLAUSES LIKE NO FURTHER LEGISLATIVE ACTS, INVESTING OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, WHICH IN LIMITS YOUR GUYS' ABILITY TO ENFORCE ANYTHING.
AND THIS HAS NOT BEEN REVIEWED AT A COMPREHENSIVE LEVEL BY PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, ONLY AT CONCEPTUAL.
UM, THE AGENDA DESCRIBES IT AS A SHARED USE PATH, BUT THE AGREEMENT SAYS IT'S NOT INTENDED FOR USE AS A TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR OR COMMUTING PURPOSE, OBVIOUSLY TO PROTECT THEIR LIABILITY, BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY SEEM TO ALIGN WITH A SHARED USE PATH.
UM, AND THEN SOME ITEMS THAT CAME UP TODAY IS IT REQUIRES THE CITY'S TRAILS TO BE CONTAINED.
NO ONE IN THE BARE WALLOW NEIGHBORHOOD CAN GET A FENCE.
SO HOW ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO CONTAIN THE TRAILS IN A FLOODWAY AND FLOOD ZONE? UM, WHICH THIS AREA IS.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE HOW THEY HAVE THE THOUSAND FEET, IF THAT COULD
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BE EXTENDED TO INCORPORATE PROTECTING ALL OF THE BARE WALL OF NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SHOWING FOR US.UM, AND THEN MY OTHER THING IS WITH ALL OF THESE ITEMS, IT'S TALKING ABOUT GOING INTO THE FOREST SERVICE AND WHATNOT.
UM, THE BARE WALLOW NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T HAVE A SINGLE FIRE HYDRANT.
IF A FIRE WERE TO BREAK DOWN OR BREAK OUT IN THE NATIONAL FOREST, OUR WHOLE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE BURNED AND THERE WOULD BE LIMITED AVAILABILITY TO STOP IT.
THERE'S SO FIRE HYDRANT THAT THEY COULD TOP INTO.
MAYBE THEY HAVE PUMPS TO PUMP OUTTA THE CREEK, I'M NOT SURE.
UM, BUT IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S NOT REALLY ENOUGH PLANNING IN THIS TO ENSURE THAT WE WOULD BE PROTECTED.
AND UM, WE HAVE A 96-YEAR-OLD NEIGHBOR.
WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO? THROW HER IN THE CREEK.
UH, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR ONCE SOMEONE SHOULD REALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE SAFETY OF THE BARE WALLOW NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT SEEMS TO CONTINUE TO GET IGNORED.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING I HAVE TO SAY IS, UH, I THINK THAT AMBIENTE HAS A BEAUTIFUL CONCEPT.
I THINK THAT IT'S A SHAME THAT CITY DEVELOPMENT OR WHO MIGHT IT BE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT IT'S, THIS COUNCIL KEEPS FORCING CREEK WALKS ON ALL OF THESE DEVELOPERS, EVEN THOUGH THE RESIDENTS SAY THEY ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT IT.
KATHY, DO YOU WANT TO MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY 'CAUSE I THINK THERE WERE TWO REFERENCES NOW TO THE SURVEY.
THE FACT THAT THE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT IT.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE RESPONDENTS TO THE SURVEY WERE LIKE, WHAT, LIKE 900 OR SOMETHING? THERE WERE LIKE A FEW HUNDRED RESPONDENTS TO A CITY OF OVER 9,000 PEOPLE.
SO 75% OF THE RESPONDENTS ANSWERED ONE WAY, DOESN'T REPRESENT ALL OF THE CITY RESIDENTS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS CLARIFIED IN CASE THERE WAS ANY MISUNDERSTANDING OF THAT.
KATHY, I'D JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY ONE THING.
I THINK YOU MISQUOTED THAT YOU SAID 900 PEOPLE.
MY POINT WAS THAT IT WASN'T, UH, IT WAS A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE 9,000 RESIDENTS.
WE CAN AGREE WERE THE RESPONDENTS.
AND AND 75% OF THAT, LESS THAN 10% IS, IS WHAT, UM, IS BEING REFERENCED AS A MAJORITY OPINION, WHICH IT'S NOT.
LARS WILL BE, UH, FOLLOWED BY NANCY, ROB DZ LAWS, YOU KNOW THE DRILL.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I LIVE IN SEDONA IN THE CHAPEL AREA.
SPEAKING TONIGHT AS A BOARD MEMBER OF THE
I FULLY SUPPORT THE GREEK WALK CONCEPT IN ITEM EIGHT.
IT'S A VALUE IN MUSHING TO MANY FOR SEDONA.
BUT THERE'S ONE MISSING ELEMENT ON THIS.
AND THIS IS THE CREEK AND CANOPY WALK COMING TOGETHER THAT CAN MAKE THIS PROJECT EVEN MORE IMPACTFUL.
CONNECT THE CONNECTION TO HUCKABEE.
AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE PRESENTATION HERE, BUT I'LL EXPAND A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
THE AMANTE CREEKSIDE LOCATION IS UNIQUELY SUITED FOR THIS LINK.
IT'S ONLY PLACED IN UPTOWN WHERE THE CREEK RUNS THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THE TOPOGRAPHY THERE MAKES AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR A SAFE, ACCESSIBLE ROUTE TO HUCK BE WHILE THERE WOULD STILL BE FEDERAL PROCESS FOR THE PORTION OF TRAIL IN THE US FOREST SERVICE LAND, LOCATING THE ACTUAL CONNECTION HERE AVOIDS THE MORE COMPLEX AND COST REVIEW REQUIRED IF IT WERE TO BE BUILT ENTIRELY ON US FOREST SERVICE PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY THE CROSSING.
RIGHT NOW, HUCKABEE IS AN OUTSTANDING TRAIL THAT SEES LIMITED USE DUE TO DISTANCE FROM UPTOWN, LACK OF A DIRECT CONNECTION AND A SMALL MIDGLEY BRIDGE TRAILHEAD AND LONG CONNECTION FROM MUD'S WAGON TRAIL.
A CONNECTION HERE WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO START FROM UPTOWN, ENJOY A SCENIC TWO MILE TRIP UP UPSTREAM TO MIDGLEY RETURN VIA SEDONA TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE ROUTED TO THAT LOCATION WITHOUT GETTING IN A CAR AT ALL.
ALL FOR HIKERS, IT'S A CHANCE TO START A BEAUTIFUL EXPERIENCE RIGHT FROM UPTOWN FOR CYCLISTS.
IT OPENS UP A WIDE RANGE OF OPTIONS, NOT JUST A SINGLE POINT TO POINT ROUTE, BUT THE ABILITY TO FINISH FROM NUMEROUS TRAIL EXPERIENCES INTO UPTOWN IN A SAFE MANNER OFF OF ROADWAYS.
THAT MEANS MORE RIDERS ENDING THEIR OUTINGS IN THE HEART OF THE BUSINESS DISTRICT AND SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESSES.
THIS CONNECTION WOULDN'T COMPETE WITH THE CREEK WHILE TO EXTEND IT TOGETHER.
THEY WOULD CREATE A CONTINUOUS PUBLIC CORRIDOR LINKING UPTOWN THE CREEK AND MORE RED ROCK SCENERY TO ONE OF THE MOST SCENIC AREAS TRAILS.
I ENCOURAGE BOTH THE CITY AND ABONTE TO STRIVE FOR MORALIZATION THIS CONNECTION IN INTO, TO HUCKABEE INTO THE PLAN, INCLUDING THE VISION INSURERS.
IT STAYS A PRIORITY AND POSITION TO ACT TO.
IT'S A RARE ALIGNMENT OF LOCATION, FEASIBILITY, AND COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT WE SHOULD SEIZE ON.
UM, YEAH, I JUST, I THINK IT KIND OF ECHOES A LOT OF WHAT THEY DID IN THEIR PRESENTATION.
I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD REALLY LOOK INTO THAT LOCATION OF, ON THE PROPERTY, I THINK WOULD BE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT.
JUST FROM MY EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THE FOREST SERVICE ON TRAIL PROJECTS.
IT'LL BE A LOT QUICKER TO FRUITION IF WE LOCATE IT ON PRIVATE.
IT'LL BE GOOD IF WE GET THE, THE FOREST SERVICE TO WORK WITH US BETTER THAN WHAT THEY DO.
SO EVERYTHING IS YEARS AND DECADES AWAY, SO, OKAY.
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FOLLOWED BY, UH, MIKE MCCARTHY.NANCY'S NAME AND GOOD AFTERNOON
BUT I, I'M FROM 2 5 1 BARE LANE.
UM, I, UH, FIRST OF ALL WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE CITY DID NOT NOTIFY ME THAT THIS WAS GOING ON.
I HAD NO IDEA UNTIL THREE DAYS AGO.
AND THAT'S WHY I WASN'T AT THE LAST MEETING 'CAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT.
UM, SO PLEASE, IF YOU DO ANYTHING AROUND THE BARE WALLOW NEIGHBORHOOD, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
'CAUSE WE ARE NOW GOING TO BE SURROUNDED WITH HOTELS AND RESORTS AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, WHEN I HEAR THE PRESENTERS, AND I DID TALK WITH THEM ABOUT THIS, BUT I ALSO WANT YOU TO HEAR THIS.
WHEN, WHEN I, UM, HEARD THEM TALKING ABOUT, WELL, WE MAY OR PERHAPS, UM, TO ME THAT'S KIND OF OPENING A DOOR, BEGINNING TO OPEN A LITTLE DOOR.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT? WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING THIS FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND WE'RE NOT GONNA GIVE UP.
SO, UM, MY OTHER CONCERN IS ABOUT FIRE.
I DID HAPPEN TO, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO, MAYBE 15 YEARS AGO THERE, PAUL AND I WENT UP ON TOP OF BARE WALLOW MOUNTAIN AND WATCHED A FIRE VERY CLOSE TO US, SO CLOSE TO US THAT WE GOT ORANGE ON US FROM THE AIRPLANES AND THE DROPS.
AND THERE WAS NO PUMPING ABLE TO COME OUT OF THE WATER.
I KNOW, I THINK THEY HELICOPTERS WENT DOWN, GOT A BUCKET OF WATER AND DUMPED IT ON THE FIRE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY FIRE PROTECTION DOWN THERE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, SINCE THEIR TRUCKS CAN'T GO TO BARE WALLA, GO THROUGH MY HOUSE, THE DEPARTMENT, THE PEOPLE
UM, AND THE LAST THING THAT I WANNA SAY IS THAT, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE A POLE OF A HUNDRED PERCENT, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S, IF IT'S 10,000 OR IF IT'S A THOUSAND.
IF 75% OF IT DOESN'T WANT WHAT YOU, UM, ARE SUGGESTING, THEN I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE LISTENED TO.
AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR PRESENTING IT.
OKAY, MIKE, WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY TIM PERRY.
I'M MIKE MCCARTHY, BOTH SCOTTSDALE AND SEDONA HERE.
MY FAMILY'S BEEN HERE SINCE THE 1960S.
SO, UH, BEFORE, UH, THE BIRDS AND OTHER BUILDINGS WERE THERE TOO.
UH, I, I LIKE WHAT ANTE HAD TO SAY.
OUR CONCERN IS WITH ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH THE BRIDGE AND THEN WATER FLOW COMING DOWN, POSSIBLE FLOODING.
SO I DIDN'T HEAR IN ANY OF THE PRESENTATIONS IF THE, IF THERE'S BEEN A STUDY ON POSSIBLE WATERFALL OR EFFECTIVE WATER COMING DOWN TO US.
AND IF A BRIDGE IS BUILT, THEN WE WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS A POSSIBLE IMPACT.
I DON'T KNOW A HEIGHT OR BRIDGE, BUT I THOUGHT I SAW SOMEWHERE 15 FEET.
UH, SINCE THE WATER CAN GET 14 FEET, TREES CAN BE 10 FEET HIGH AND IF A MOBILE HOME'S FLOODING COMING DOWN, THAT'LL JUST TAKE THAT OUT.
SO, AND THAT WILL COME DOWN AND AFFECT US.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A BRIDGE, THEN START WITH A BRIDGE THAT IS GONNA BE ACCEPTABLE.
AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU ALREADY TALKED WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT FLOOD IMPLICATIONS IN THIS BRIDGE? WHY DO WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT A BRIDGE? AND THE COUNTY MAY OR MAY NOT MOST LIKELY WON'T APPROVE IT.
SO IF YOU KEEP THAT IN CONSIDERATION, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
ANYBODY ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK? NOW IS THE TIME TO SEE THE CLERK AND FILL OUT A CARD.
TIM, A NAME IN CITY OF RESIDENCE.
MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
WELL, I WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO, UH, COMBINE MY REMARKS TO SOMETHING BRIEF, BUT, UH, KATHY KINSELLA JUST GAVE ME SUCH A WONDERFUL OPENING TO CALL OUT, UH, HER LATEST HYPOCRISY THAT, UH, IT, UH, DESERVES A LITTLE NOTICE HERE.
WE JUST HEARD COUNSELOR KINSELLA DISMISSED THE IDEA THAT THE PEOPLE OF SEDONA DON'T WANT TO CREEK WALK BECAUSE WELL, THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH RESPONDENTS ON THE SURVEY.
I THINK THIS IS AN EXCELLENT TIME TO POINT OUT THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA IS CURRENTLY TRYING TO BULLDOZE THE BELOVED SEDONA CULTURAL PARK AND REPLACE IT WITH AROUND 500 UNITS OF MARKET RATE FOR THAT RE LUXURY HOUSING ON THE BASIS OF A PER FIRST PUBLIC MEETING THAT RECEIVED ABOUT 120 VOTES AND THE BASIS OF A SECOND PUBLIC MEETING THAT RECEIVED ABOUT 73
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VOTES.SO APPARENTLY ALMOST 900 VOTES IN A CREEK WALK.
SURVEY ISN'T ENOUGH TO TELL YOU WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS, BUT 70 VOTES DEFINITELY ENOUGH TO TELL YOU YOU SHOULD BULLDOZE SOMETHING THAT IS SO VITAL TO THE COMMUNITY.
WELL, APART FROM THAT EGREGIOUS LITTLE WHATEVER WE'RE EVEN GONNA CALL THAT.
UH, THE OTHER TWO THINGS I HAVE TO SAY IS FIRST OF COURSE TO CONDEMN THE COUNCIL FOR THIS HABIT IT HAS OF TRYING TO IMPOSE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS ON PRIVATE LANDOWNERS AND EXTRACT CONCESSIONS FOR THEM.
I SPEAK UNDER CORRECTION OF COURSE, BUT I VENTURE TO GUESS THE STEVENSONS DIDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH ANY OF THAT KIND OF B******T MANY DECADES AGO WHEN THEY FIRST PUT UP THE ORIGINAL DUTCHMANS COVE.
TIM, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE PLEASE.
YOU'RE FREE TO SAY ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT PLEASE WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE, UH, RESUMING.
UH, THE MAYOR TOOK SOME OF MY TIME, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S NEEDED.
UH, ALL I HAVE TO SAY IN CLOSING IS SIMPLY TO WISH THE STEVENSON'S EVERY SUCCESS WITH THEIR PROJECT AS AN UPTOWN RESIDENT.
I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO CROSS OVER TO HUCKABEE THERE ONE DAY.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT PART GOES THROUGH MAYOR RIGHT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.
I JUST WANNA RESPOND TO SAY THAT, UH, MY COMMENT WAS NOT INTENDED AT ALL AS A DISMISSAL, RATHER JUST AS A CLARIFICATION OF A STATISTIC.
SO SINCE IT WAS BEING QUOTED, THANK YOU.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO JUST CHECK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AT ANY POINT IN TIME HAS COUNSEL OPINED ON THE AMOUNT OF HOUSING AT THE CULTURAL PARK? UH, IT WAS JUST MENTIONED THAT 500 UNITS WAS, IS BEING LOOKED AT BY US.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD A MEETING TO DISCUSS THAT MAYOR AND COUNCIL TO, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO COUNCIL HAS NOT MADE ANY, UM, DECLARATION OR OPINION OR EVEN STATEMENT ON HOW MANY HOUSING THEY THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO THE CULTURAL PARK.
IT'S JUST BEEN, UH, STAFF-LED INITIATIVE AND HAS ONLY GONE TO, UH, P AND Z AT THIS POINT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS SOMETHING.
UH, THAT'S ALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
LET'S BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR, UH, COMMENTS.
DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM BRIAN? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A, IF ABOUT DOING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ITSELF, UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE, UM, PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME, ACTUALLY THERE'S TWO THINGS.
ONE, FOR ALL THE FOLKS IN BARE WALLO, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN A CREEK WALK THAT RUNS ALONG THE CREEK SIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY.
SO, UM, IT FEELS LIKE THIS GOT PULLED, YOU ALL GOT PULLED INTO THIS WHEN IT REALLY ISN'T PART OF THE DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, BUT I'M NOT INTERESTED PERSONALLY IN SEEING, UH, THE CREEK WALK RUN THROUGH THAT AREA.
THAT SAID, I DO BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING DIRECTION TO STAFF TO BE WORKING AS AGGRESSIVELY AS POSSIBLE WITH THE US FOREST SERVICE TO SECURE, UH, THE PLANS NECESSARY, THE APPROVALS NECESSARY TO GET THAT CONNECTOR BUILT TO THE HUCKABEE TRAIL.
I THINK THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE THAT.
AND HONESTLY, THE, UM, WHAT'D YOU CALL THE, WHAT'S THE NEW NAME FOR THE NOT CANOPY WALK?
THE O AMBIENTE PUBLIC ACCESS TRAIL, FRANKLY, IS NOT WORTH A WHOLE LOT UNLESS THAT BROWN, RED, WHATEVER COLORED CONNECTOR IS TO HUCKABEE GETS BUILT.
OTHERWISE, IT'S JUST SOME CONCRETE TO NOWHERE, FRANKLY.
SO I REALLY HOPE THAT MY COLLEAGUES WILL AGREE TO PROVIDE DIRECTION, UH, IN ADDITION TO APPROVING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE DO WORK AGGRESSIVELY TO TRY TO GET THAT CONNECTOR BUILT.
SO TO GO ALONG WITH BRIAN, THIS IS NOT ABOUT CREEK WALK.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A CREEK WALK HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED.
THIS IS ABOUT THIS PIECE OF WHAT IN ESSENCE IS A SHARED USE PATH THAT FOLLOWS ALONG PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THAT GETS US TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY NOTICE ALL THE WEASEL WORDS POTENTIALLY GET US OVER TO HUCKABEE, UM, UH, TO THE GENTLEMAN IN THE AUDIENCE.
THERE'S NO BRIDGE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE AT ALL.
UM, I DO HOPE THAT WHEN THEY, THEY DECIDE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS, THEY ARE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE AREAS OF THE FLOODPLAIN LINES BECAUSE THIS DOES END RIGHT ON THE FLOODPLAIN LINE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING THAT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ELEVATION, THAT THIS WOULD BE THE REASON TO ELEVATE IS TO PROTECT THE
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CREEK, UM, AND TO PRESERVE THE CREEK.BUT IT DOES END BASICALLY BEFORE THE CREEK.
SO, UM, I, I HAVE, UM, I HAVE NO NEGATIVE COMMENTS TO MAKE.
UM, I'M ASSUMING IT WILL LOOK LOVELY AND PROTECT THE CREEK.
UM, I AGREE WITH, WITH BRIAN, IT WOULD BE NICE FOR US TO AT LEAST START TALKING WITH THE FOREST SERVICE AROUND THE FEASIBILITY OF US GOING OVER THE CREEK AND CONNECTING TO HUCKABEE.
THIS IS, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S FEASIBLE YET.
WE DON'T KNOW CONDITION OF SOIL THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO FIND EVEN THAT OUT TO DISCUSS THE FEASIBILITY OF MOVING FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION, I THINK WOULD BE, WOULD BE OF INTEREST, UM, FOR ME AS, AS WELL.
UH, I SUPPORT ENTERING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS PRESENTED.
I DO, AGAIN, WANNA REITERATE WHAT, UH, BRIAN AND MELISSA HAD TO SAY THAT THIS ISN'T THE CREEK WALK.
UM, I REMAIN OPPOSED AT THIS POINT TO THE CREEK WALK.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING THAT'S CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT THAT.
BUT THIS ISN'T THE CREEK WALK.
UH, AND I ALSO, I DO SUPPORT BRIAN'S VIEW THAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING TO THE FOREST SERVICE ABOUT THE CONNECTION TO HUCKABEE TRAIL, BUT THAT'S A TOTALLY SEPARATE MATTER FROM THE ENTIRE, YOU KNOW, COURSE OF THE PROPOSED CREEK WALK.
UH, YEAH, I'M GONNA ECHO THOSE COMMENTS AND I'LL JUST ADD MY LITTLE SPIN THAT THERE IS SOME VALUE FOR THIS, UH, SHARED USE PATH TO THE VIEWING PLATFORM.
THERE'S REALLY VERY FEW SPOTS THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC CAN GET ACCESS TO LOOKING AT THE CREEK.
YOU CAN DO IT OVER BY FLOCKY P**I FROM THE BRIDGE OR FROM OUR UNDER CROSSING, WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL VIEW.
UH, AND ON THIS, AT THE END OF THIS, UH, NON CANOPY WALK, WHICH WILL BE UP IN THE AIR A LITTLE BIT, IT WILL PROVIDE A BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF OAK CREEK.
AND SO THERE, THERE IS SOME VALUE OF THIS THING MOVING FORWARD.
KATHY? YEAH, THE, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT, I GUESS THERE WAS PAPERWORK THAT REFERRED IN A PRESENTATION SLIDE, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THIS IS CREEK WALK IS NOT A PART OF THIS DISCUSSION WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, THE CANOPY WALK, I DID LIKE THE, WELL, I USED THAT INTENTIONALLY BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THAT IT WHOLE IDEA IS UP IN THE AIR, PUN INTENDED.
UM, BECAUSE I WOULD, 'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE THE, AT LEAST A VIEWING PLATFORM TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS UP IN THE AIR.
UM, SOME FROM SOME POINT FROM LIKE THE PUMP HOUSE, YOU KNOW, DOWN TO THE, THE, THE JUNCTURE THERE.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT, I HOPE THAT THAT'S YOUR INTENTION BECAUSE I, I THINK YOU DO DO BEAUTIFUL PROJECTS AND THAT WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT BECAUSE IT WOULD GIVE SOME AMENITY AT LEAST BECAUSE IT WOULD PRESENT THE VIEW IF IT'S JUST DOWN ON THE GROUND.
I DON'T THINK IT DOES, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC BENEFIT THERE.
SO, UM, AND THIS, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTION FROM THE CITY IS IN ORDER TO GET A PUBLIC BENEFIT, RIGHT? SO THERE IS PUBLIC BENEFIT IN THE ACCESS, BUT IT WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER PUBLIC BENEFIT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THAT VIEW.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I DO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AGAIN AND KNOWING, UH, THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE, I DO, UM, SUPPORT THE SIZE, THE LAYOUT THAT YOU HAVE.
I THINK THAT'S A BIG REASON TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I I, I DO HOPE YOU SERIOUSLY PUT IT UP IN THE AIR.
SO I HOPE YOU DON'T, I, YOU KNOW, I'M DISAPPOINTED FOR THE FACT THAT YOU GOT ME ALL WORKED UP OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF.
AND THEN I'M THINKING WHOSE VIEWS ARE GONNA GET BLOCKED BY THAT? SO MAYBE ONCE YOU GET CLOSE TO, TO THE CREEK, THAT SHOULD BE ABOVE.
BUT, UH, I'M FINE WITH IT THE WAY IT'S PROPOSED.
UM, BUT YOU HAD ME GOING, I MEAN, IT WAS KIND OF EXCITING.
I SAW A VIDEO ONCE OF, OF IT, BUT THIS IS GONNA BE NICE.
UM, AS FAR AS NANCY ROB DUNS AND NOT BEING NOTIFIED, I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE YOU WERE OUTSIDE THE, UH, LIMIT OF NOTIFICATION.
'CAUSE IT, IT WASN'T, THIS IS NOT REALLY A CREEK WALK.
THIS IS ABOUT A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROJECT.
SO IT REALLY WASN'T TOUCHING ON BARE WALLOW.
BUT YOU DID TELL US ABOUT THE OTHER, SORRY.
SO, UH, BUT I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NO INTENTION TO DECEIVE YOU OR NOT NOTIFY YOU.
UH, BUT I WANTED TO BE SURE THAT YOU KNEW THAT.
AM I CORRECT IN THAT OUTSIDE THE, THE, WAS IT 300 FEET? YES, MR. MAYOR.
SO IT'S OUTSIDE THE 300 FEET, WHEREAS THE R DS AND HOTELS WITH WAS WITHIN FOR MOST OF THE BARE WALLOW NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT.
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WHO TALK, OH YES.UM, IF ANYBODY WANTS, SO WE DO DO A 300 FOOT NOTIFICATION LIST FOR PROJECTS.
IF ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF THAT NOTIFICATION LIST WOULD LIKE TO BE NOTIFIED, THEY CAN CONTACT ME THROUGH OUR WEBSITE AND BE ADDED TO A NOTIFICATION LIST.
SO THERE'S A METHOD IN THERE TO BE, SHOW YOU THAT YOU ARE CONTACTING THE FUTURE.
UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SURE.
I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 1414 APPROVING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH DUTCHMAN'S COVE LLC FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PUBLIC SHARED USE PATH IN THE AMOUNT OF 140,000 SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE WRITTEN AGREEMENT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? WE ARE UNANIMOUS.
WE WILL BE TAKING A 20 MINUTE BREAK.
[8.b. AB 3243 Discussion/possible action for approval of the City’s (“Local Agency”) contribution to ADOT regarding the construction of SIM11Q – Shelby Drive Shared-Use Path, IGA 24-0009899-I. The City’s contribution is estimated to be approximately $1,000,000. ]
OKAY, WELCOME BACK.DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE CITY'S LOCAL AGENCY, CONTRIBUTION TO ADOT REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIM 11 Q SHELBY DRIVE, SHARED USE PATH I IGA 24 DASH 0 0 9 8 99 DASH I DASH ONE.
WHAT IS IT? OKAY, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
UH, THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION IS ESTIMATED TO BE APPROXIMATELY $1 MILLION.
UM, I AM GOING TO DO A SIDEBAR REALLY QUICK.
I WANTED TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL, UM, TWO WEEKS AGO, YOUR CITY STAFF WENT DOWN TO TUCSON AND WE RECEIVED THE STATE AWARD FROM AMERICA'S, UM, ARIZONA PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION.
IT'S A 2 20 25 SMALL CITIES, RURAL COMMUNITIES PROJECT OF THE YEAR, UH, RANGER STATION PARK.
SO HISTORICAL IN THE CATEGORY OF HISTORICAL RESTORATION AND PRESERVATION.
SO WHAT'S REALLY COOL IS THE STATE FORWARDED OUR APPLICATION TO THE NATIONAL AND WE WON.
SO WE ARE SENDING LARRY FARHAT, OUR FACILITY SUPERVISOR TO CHICAGO ON SUNDAY TO GO, UM, RECEIVE THAT AWARD.
SO CONGRATULATIONS TO COUNCIL STAFF, EVERYBODY.
UM, THAT'S QUITE THE PARK AND WE'RE ALSO PROUD.
DOES THAT MEAN KEEGAN GOES WITH HIM TO TAKE THE PHOTOS?
THERE'S A TROPHY AT THE, UH, PARK WELL AS WELL.
SO WE'VE APPEARED BEFORE COUNCIL A COUPLE OF TIMES ON SHELBY.
SO, UM, I WANTED TO START OFF WITH WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AND WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR IT.
UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR AN APPROVED, UM, SCOPE CHANGE.
WE SHORTENED THE PROJECT SLIGHTLY.
ORIGINALLY THE PROJECT WAS PLANNED FROM SEDONA RECYCLES ALL THE WAY UP TO 89 A.
UM, WE'RE RUNNING INTO SOME COMPLICATIONS.
THIS IS AN ADOT GRANT WHERE WE HAVE SOME TIMEFRAMES AND A LOT OF BOXES TO CHECK IN A TIMEFRAME.
REAL SHORT TIMEFRAME, HANUKAH AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD.
UM, THE WYNDHAM PROPERTY IS SUPER SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT, BUT GETTING AN EASEMENT FROM THEM IS JUST GONNA TAKE A LONG TIME.
SO WE'RE NOT MEETING THAT BOX CHECKED FOR ADOT, SO WE'RE SHORTENING JUST SHORT OF THAT.
SO WE'RE REQUESTING THAT, UM, THE SCOPE BE APPROVED FROM SEDONA RECYCLES.
I'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU A MAP HERE IN A MINUTE, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU THE BIG PICTURE FROM SEDONA RECYCLES UP TO WHIP IT.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS WE HAVE REQUESTED IN THE BUDGET 750,000.
IT'S, WE'RE NOW, UM, UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING AND HAVE CONFIRMED THAT ADOT WILL WANNA CHECK FROM US FOR THE FULL MILLION DOLLAR SHARE, UM, FROM THE CITY IN SEPTEMBER.
SO WE'RE REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL 250,000 IN FY 26.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE BIG PICTURE OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
MAY I CLARIFY THAT POINT? UM, SO THE WAY WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR THIS PROJECT WAS SPLITTING IT BETWEEN FY 26 AND 27 AS SHOWN IN YOUR AGENDA BILL.
UM, THINKING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SPREAD OUR, UM, MATCH EXPENDITURE OVER THE DURATION OF THE PROJECT.
BUT NOW THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO WANT THE MONEY ALL IN THIS
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YEAR, UM, WE WILL BORROW INTERNALLY FROM OTHER PROJECTS FOR THAT, UM, 250,000 AND THEN REPAY IT IN THE NEXT YEAR.SO IT'S STILL THE SAME AMOUNT THAT WAS BUDGETED, BUT INSTEAD OF SPREADING IT OVER TWO YEARS, IT'S JUST IN THE FIRST YEAR.
SO I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR MORE MONEY.
IT'S JUST THE, UM, ACCOUNTING BETWEEN THE TWO BUDGET YEARS.
AND SANDY, CAN YOU JUST REMIND ME WHY THIS IS ALL AROUND ADOT WHEN THIS IS A CITY ROAD? SO WE RECEIVED A, UM, CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING, UM, GRANT OF 500,000 WITH THE CITY CON CONTRIBUTION OF 1 MILLION.
AND SO SINCE SHELBY, THE EAST WEST SECTION THAT'S MORE INDUSTRIAL BY THE, UM, DOG, THE RESCUE CENTER, AND, UM, THAT INDUSTRIAL AREA, WE HAD ALREADY STARTED CONSTRUCTION.
AND SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO CHECK ALL THOSE BOXES THAT I TALKED ABOUT THAT ADOT REQUIRES.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO ROLL IT OVER TO THIS PROJECT.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE MOVING AHEAD ON THIS.
AND ANOTHER REASON WHY WE WANNA SHORTEN THE, UM, SCOPE ON THIS A LITTLE BIT IS WHEN YOU HAVE, UH, A $1.5 MILLION PROJECT AND ADOT IS GONNA CONTRIBUTE OR WILL GET 500,000, THAT'S 33% OF THE CONTRACT THAT WE'RE GETTING A GRANT FOR.
IF WE HAD A LONGER PROJECT, SAY 3 MILLION, THE CONTRIBUTION OR THAT GRANT IS MUCH SMALLER.
SO WE WANTED TO MAXIMIZE FOR OUR EFFORTS.
UM, I WANTED TO TOUCH REAL QUICK ON THIS PROJECT.
SO IT'S 1900 LINEAR FEET THAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE PRIMARILY, UH, TAKING THE BACK OF THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE AND EXTENDING INTO THE ROADWAY.
WE'RE MAINTAINING THE 24 FOOT WIDTH.
UM, IT'S, THERE'S AN AREA WHERE IT MEANDERS AT NAP PENTE.
WE WILL SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF THAT.
SO, UM, NOTHING HAS SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED.
SO HERE'S A MAP THAT SHOWS YOU THE EXTENT OF THE PROJECT.
SO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OVER HERE, SO THIS IS SEDONA RECYCLES DOWN HERE.
SO WE'RE PICKING UP THE EXISTING, UH, SHARED USE PATH WHERE IT STOPPED AND TAKING IT UP TO WHIP IT.
AND AT THIS POINT, UM, WE HAVE DATA.
SO, UM, IN THE FUTURE WE'LL BE ABLE TO, TO EXTEND IT UP TO 89 A OR CONTINUE UP WHIP IT, UM, WHICH IS PART OF OUR GO PLAN.
SO I WANTED TO SHARE THIS, UH, EXHIBIT.
THIS SHOWS SUNSET, UH, AND SHELBY OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
WE DID LOOK AT, UM, WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD DO ADD A BIKE PATH, BUT THE PAVEMENT AREA IS TOO NARROW TO ADD A BIKE PATH ON BOTH SIDES.
SO, UM, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT A SHARED USE PATH ON SHELBY.
OH, THERE'S OTHER REASONS THAT I'LL, I'LL STOP ON THAT AND TURN IT OVER TO HANUKAH.
GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
HI, I AM HANUKAH ODA, ASSISTANT ENGINEER IN PUBLIC WORKS.
SO THIS PROJECT IS RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
WE ARE TAKING THE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE OF SHELBY DRIVE AND EXPANDING IT TO A EIGHT TO 10 FOOT SHARED USE PATH.
SO THEN IT'S MULTIPLE USERS, DIFFERENT TYPES OF USERS CAN USE IT.
UM, AND OH, AND THIS IMAGE IS JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM YOUR PACKAGE.
I I JUST REPLACED IT WITH A SIGNIFICANTLY CLEARER IMAGE.
AND SO, UM, TO ORIENT OURSELVES, THIS IS THE VERY SOUTH THE BEGINNING OF OUR PROJECT.
UM, AT THE BOTTOM YOU'LL SEE SEDONA RECYCLES AND THEIR DUAL DRIVEWAY, UM, STORE MASTER.
AND SO RIGHT IS NORTH WOULD BE RIGHT IN THIS IMAGE.
AND AT THE TOP IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, BUT THERE'S A SNEAKY LITTLE ACCESS TO CARROLL CANYON AND THE RIDGE TRAIL, RIGHT? AND SO ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT, THAT'S WHERE PHASE ONE SHELBY ONE ENDED.
UH, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PATH TRUNCATES FROM 10 FEET TO FIVE FEET THERE.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE WILL START.
AND, AND, UM, WE'LL BE BUMPING THE PATHWAY OUT A LITTLE BIT IN FRONT OF STORE MASTER RIGHT THERE.
UM, IN ORDER TO AVOID EXTENSIVE AND EXPENSIVE UTILITY RELOCATIONS.
YOU MET WITH OH YEAH, S AND WE MET WITH SEDONA RECYCLES IT TO DISCUSS DRIVEWAY ACCESS OF COURSE, AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPE, UH, ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE,
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UM, THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED.IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT FEATURE TO KEEP CIRCULATION GOING WITHIN THE PARKING LOT.
SO WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THEM VERY CLOSELY TO MAINTAIN THAT.
THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL MATURE TREE THERE AS WELL AS THE SEDONA RECYCLED SIGN.
IT'S THIS BIG 30-YEAR-OLD SIGN THAT WAS MADE BY RECYCLED MATERIALS BY STAFF LIKE 30 YEARS AGO.
IT'S CLEARLY REALLY, REALLY MEANINGFUL.
SO WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THEM CLOSELY TO RELOCATE AND SHIFT THAT TO BEST RESPECT AND HONOR IT.
WHEN DID YOU MEET WITH THEM? MOST RECENTLY? OH, MOST RECENTLY.
IT WAS A CO OR TWO AGO I MET WITH KATHLEEN AND DOUG.
I JUST REMEMBER SEEING AN EMAIL FROM KATHLEEN NOT THAT LONG AGO WHERE THEY, YEAH.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
UM, WE HAD A, WE HAD A WONDERFUL HUMAN CONVERSATION, IF I COULD STEAL HER WORDS.
UM, SO THE THICKER DASH LINES AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE ARE ACROSS THE STREET.
THOSE ARE EXISTING, UM, DRAIN PIPES.
WE'RE NOT DOING ANY WORK ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THAT.
HOWEVER, IN FRONT OF SEDONA RECYCLES THERE'S A SMALL CATCH BASIN THAT WILL BE SHIFTING A FEW FEET AND THAT SHOULD CATCH A LOT MORE OF THE RUNOFF FROM THE ROADWAY.
SO THAT SHOULD BE A GREAT IMPROVEMENT.
AND SPEAKING OF DRIVEWAYS, OH, ACTUALLY GO BACK ONE MORE.
THERE ARE THREE DRIVEWAY CROSSINGS TOTAL.
TWO AT THE RECYCLE CENTER AND ONE AT STORE MASTER.
AGAIN, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THEM VERY CLOSELY TO MAINTAIN ACCESS.
THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC CONTROL ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROADWAY WITH ALTERNATING TRAFFIC.
SO THERE WILL ALWAYS BE ACCESS, IT WON'T BE A FULL CLOSURE.
SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE NORTH BETWEEN STORE MASTER AND NAP PENTE.
THIS IS THE BACK ENTRANCE TO SUNSET PARK.
THAT'S RIGHT NOW JUST PEDESTRIAN ONLY.
WE'RE PLANNING ON BUMPING THESE UTILITIES TRASH CANS PULLS BACK A LITTLE BIT TO ADD SEVERAL NEW PARKING SPACES, ONE A DA AND AT LEAST THREE REGULAR SPACES I WANNA SAY ABOUT THIS ONE.
WE'RE ALSO GONNA ADD A BENCH IN THIS LOCATION.
AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, SHADE STRUCTURES AS WELL.
WE'VE GOT A SKETCH THAT'S COMING UP.
YEAH, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A WONDERFUL ADDITION.
AND FACILITATES, NOT ONLY DOES IT FACILITATE ADDITIONAL ACCESS TO SUNSET PARK AS WELL AS CARROLL CANYON TRAILHEAD, UM, I THINK THIS WOULD MAKE GREAT ADDITION AND FUTURE IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR ADDITIONAL AMENITIES TOO, LIKE WATER FILL STATIONS, BIKE REPAIRS NEXT.
YEAH, SO A PORTION OF THE ROADWAY WILL BE A COMPLETE STREET.
UH, IF YOU RECOGNIZE THIS MEANDERING SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF NAP PENTE, WE'LL BE WIDENING THAT OF COURSE, AGAIN, TO 10 FEET.
WE'LL BE SALVAGING AS MUCH LANDSCAPING AND REPLACING THAT.
AND IT'S JUST SUCH A WONDERFUL, PLEASANT, MEANDERING PATH UNDER SHADE AND TREES.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH NEPENTHE AS WELL.
AND THE IMAGE ON THE BOTTOM IS TAKEN STRAIGHT FROM OUR COMMUNITY PLAN.
IT'S AN IMAGE OF AN EXAMPLE OF A COMPLETE STREET WHERE YOU HAVE, IT'S A SAFE FACILITY FOR ALL USERS, NOT JUST CARS.
SO YOU HAVE THE ROADWAY, BUT IT'S ALSO SEPARATED WITH A LANDSCAPE BUFFER BETWEEN THE SHARED USE PATH AND THE ROADWAY.
SO WE MET WITH THE NAP PENTE BOARD AND THEY'RE SUPER SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT.
THIS IS, UH, THE LEFT IMAGE IS A RENDERING OF ONE OF OUR, OUR IDEAS.
WE'RE WORKING INTERNALLY TO COME UP WITH A STANDARDIZED SHADE STRUCTURE SLASH SEAT WALL SLASH SIGNAGE KIOSK, THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT FROM THE US FOREST SERVICE, LITTLE HORSE TRAIL HEAD.
UM, SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION ALSO.
OKAY, SO WITHIN OUR INTERNAL STAFF DECISION MATRIX FOR PRIORITIZING PATHWAYS, THIS ONE CAME OUT AT 1 49, WHICH IS HIGH PRIORITY.
AND THE IMAGE TO THE RIGHT IS OUR NOTIFICATION MAP.
WE SENT LETTERS APPROXIMATELY EXACTLY 225 LETTERS TO THE OWNERS WITHIN A 500 FOOT RADIUS OF THE PROJECT, RATHER THAN THE USUAL 300 SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW EXACTLY THAT NUMBER.
UM, AND I WANTED TO, BEFORE I FORGET, I WANTED TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION THAT THE REASON WHY THIS IS ADO T'S EVEN INVOLVED, EVEN THOUGH ADOT RIGHT OF WAY IS NOT INVOLVED, IS THAT THEY'RE BASICALLY THE MIDDLEMAN.
IT IS A FEDERAL GRANT THAT IS ADMINISTERED BY THE STATE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY A DOTS INVOLVED.
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IGA BACK IN NOVEMBER.SO NINE MONTHS AGO WE JUST COMPLETED DESIGN, WHICH INCLUDES ENGINEERING DESIGN, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDED A NEPA STUDY, UH, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY.
AND WITH YOUR AUTHORIZATION, WE'D LIKE TO WRITE A BIG CHECK AND SEND ALL OF OUR MATERIALS, EVERYTHING TO ADOT AND THE FEDS.
AND THE VERY LAST DAY FOR OBLIGATION FUNDING OBLIGATION AND APPROVAL IS SEPTEMBER 30TH, LIKE NEXT MONTH.
AND OF COURSE, WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 30TH TO SUBMIT THIS.
WE'D LOVE TO SUBMIT THIS BY THE END OF AUGUST, UM, TO GIVE THEM A FEW WEEKS TO REVIEW.
UM, AND ADOT HAS BEEN GREAT, UM, FACILITATORS AND PROPONENTS FOR US.
AND IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL, ANTICIPATED CONSTRUCTION IS THIS WINTER, AVOIDING MAJOR HOLIDAYS IN PEAKS WITH A LITTLE BIT OF UTILITY RELOCATION IN THE FALL.
UM, AND WHEN WE HAVE ALL THAT UTILITY RELOCATED, THE CONSTRUCTION'S GONNA GO PRETTY QUICKLY HOPING FOR ABOUT THREE MONTHS AND BE DONE BY THE SPRING.
AND ANNETTE STOLE MY THUNDER
SO WE NEED TO MAKE UP FOR THAT 250.
THE STATE IS PROVIDING 500,000 UP TO $500,000 FOR CONSTRUCTION ONLY.
THE CITY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF DESIGN, UM, WHICH AGAIN INCLUDED THE NEPA A HUNDRED PERCENT PLANS ADOT DESIGN FEES BECAUSE THERE'S A SURPRISING AMOUNT OF ADOT PROJECT MANAGERS INVOLVED.
AND ANY COSTS OVERRUNS ABOVE THAT $1.5 MILLION ESTIMATE, UH, THE CITY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
AND THIS IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL, BUT THE CITY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR DESIGN, RIGHT.
BUT ADOT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ADMINISTERING AND ADVERTISING AND MANAGING THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
OKAY, I'LL START ON THE, MY LEFT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE PRESENTATION.
THIS IS GONNA BE A GOOD ADDITION.
WHAT ARE WE REDOING? ANY OF THE CURB ALONG THE STREET? WHAT'S THE CURB TYPE? WE'RE GONNA USE VERTICAL CURB ALONG THE ENTIRE ROOF.
SO MY CONCERN HERE IS THAT THERE'S REALLY NOT THAT MANY DRIVEWAYS THAT WE PASS.
AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF BEAUTIFUL DOG WALKERS.
THE VOLUNTEER VOLUNTEER DOG WALKERS USE THIS THING.
THERE'D BE, THERE'S THIS SIDEWALK ACTUALLY GETS SOME USE.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT I WOULD RIDE MY BIKE ON IT.
UM, THOSE LITTLE CURVY BITS MAKE IT TAKE SOME OF THE INCENTIVE AWAY THINKING ABOUT THOSE DOG WALKERS.
I KNOW I'M GONNA BE JUMPING DOWN ONTO THE STREET WHEN I NEED TO.
AND THAT SQUARE CURB, I, IT JUST, I, I GET CONCERNED WHEN WE HAVE BIG, LONG STRETCHES WITHOUT DRIVEWAYS THAT I CAN PLAN AHEAD AND DUCK OUT.
AND SO THIS PARTICULAR ONE LOOKS LIKE ONE WHERE WE MIGHT WANNA RETHINK THAT CURB TYPE.
I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE, YOU KNOW, ANY CYCLIST GROUPS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE.
I SEE LARS IS IN THE AUDIENCE, WHETHER YOU GUYS HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT OR NOT.
BUT, UM, THAT'S ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT.
UH, SECOND THING IS THE BIKE LANE.
OH, UH, WHERE YOU'VE GOT THAT DIAGONAL PARKING WE'RE ADDING AT THE TRAIL ENTRANCE.
AGAIN, I KNOW THAT YOU SAID THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO STRIPE FOR BIKE LANES ON THE STREET, BUT THAT'S ONE PARTICULAR AREA WHERE IT'D BE GREAT TO BE NOTIFYING SOME THE DRIVERS THAT BIKES ACTUALLY HAVE SOME RIGHT OF WAY THERE AND MAYBE SOME STRIPING ON THAT SECTION OF THE STREET MIGHT BE USEFUL.
SO WE'RE MINIMIZING OR GETTING HEADS UP ON ANY POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF PEOPLE ON THE STREET VERSUS TURNING INTO THOSE PARKING SPACES.
SO THAT JUST CONCERNS ME A LITTLE BIT.
ANY THOUGHTS ON THOSE TWO QUESTIONS? YEAH, I WANNA ADDRESS QUESTIONS.
SO THERE ARE ONLY A COUPLE OF DRIVEWAYS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT THERE ARE, UM, THROUGH NAP PENTE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF INTERSECTIONS WITH STREETS.
AND SO WE ARE DOING RAMPS, HANDICAP RAMPS WITH THE DETECTABLE WARNING STRIPS AT THOSE, ALL THOSE STREET INTERSECTIONS AS WELL.
AND, UM, THIS IS, WE CAN LOOK AT SECTIONS LIKE A, UM, A WAY FOR A BIKE TO GET UP OR DOWN, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S 1, 2, 3, 4.
SO THAT WITHIN 1900 FEET, I THINK WE'VE GOT FOUR POINTS OF ACCESS FOR BIKES TO GET UP AND DOWN.
YEAH, I JUST, I APPRECIATE GIVING THAT SOME THOUGHT TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER ANY OF THOSE SECTIONS ARE LONGER AND THE TIMING WOULDN'T BE RIGHT.
AND IT'S ALSO AROUND THE WAVY BITS.
A CYCLIST IS REALLY NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THE NICE CURVY BITS THAT'S GREAT FOR WALKERS.
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BUT, AND, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, WHERE THE DIAGONAL PARKING IS, THAT LOOKED PRETTY SHARP.AND THAT'S ANOTHER AREA WHERE THE BIKES PROBABLY AREN'T GONNA MAKE THAT DEVIATION.
THEY'RE JUST GONNA, SO THAT'S STRAIGHT.
ANDY, ANDY, DID YOU WANNA, LIKE, YOU WANTED TO OPINE ON SOMETHING? WELL, I WAS GONNA LET THEM FINISH THEIR THOUGHT, BUT IF, IF IT'S A GOOD TIME FOR ME TO INTERJECT, I'M HAPPY TO.
I WAS JUST GONNA THROW OUT THAT WHEN YOU GO FROM VERTICAL CURB TO ROLL CURB, ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS IS ABOUT DRAINAGE CAPACITY.
WHILE WE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, ANALYZE THAT THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO PUT OUT ANOTHER FACTOR THAT WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH DESIGN.
I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP BIKES OFF THE STREET AND PUT 'EM ON THE SUVS AND THOSE CURBS PREVENT PEOPLE FROM MAKING THAT TRANSITION AND, AND THEN THEY DECIDE TO JUST BE IN THE STREET.
THE SIDEWALK ISN'T, AND, AND I THINK SANDY MIGHT HAVE BEEN GETTING READY TO ADDRESS THE, THE S CURVE THERE AND HOW I THINK OUR PLAN IS WHILE DESIGN IS COMPLETE, UH, WASNT THAT ONE REALLY, IT WAS THE ONE AT THE DECK.
YEAH, THE ONE, BUT WE, WE SOFTEN THIS ONE ON PURPOSE.
YEAH, IT IS ON MY RADAR TO BE LOOKING AT THAT.
AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT TOO, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE, BUT YEP.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I WANNA ASK IS, OKAY, WE GOT THE GRANT FOR $500,000, BUT WE GOTTA GO THROUGH A DOT'S MANAGEMENT PROCESS.
HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN IS IT GONNA COST TO RUN THIS PROJECT WITH ADOT AS A MANAGEMENT? I'M HOPING THAT THE ANSWER IS LESS THAN $500,000, BUT IT IS.
SO, UM, IT'S A, THEY DO IT BASED ON A PORTION, AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST AT THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT, UM, WE'RE RUNNING WITH.
SO THE, WE NEED TO GET THEM THIS CHECK SO THEY WILL BID THE PROJECT OUT.
SO ONCE WE BID THE PROJECT OUT, UM, IF THE BID EXCEEDS THE, UM, 1.5 MILLION, WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
IF IT'S NOT WITHIN, UH, CITY MANAGERS SIGNING, UM, WE WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL IF IT EXCEEDED THAT 1.5.
SO, BUT THE $500,000 ISN'T JUST GOING TO PAY THEIR COST? NO, WE DO GET BENEFIT FROM IT, BUT AGAIN, WE WERE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE IT, UM, BY DECREASING THE SCOPE JUST A BIT.
DO YOU WELL, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT.
I THINK BECAUSE WE'RE TURNING OVER THE FUNDS TO ADOT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS AT THAT POINT THEY'RE GONNA DO ALL THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, THEY'RE GONNA AWARD THE CONTRACT, THEY'RE GONNA DO ALL OF THE MANAGEMENT OF THE CONTRACTOR.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT PART MM-HMM
SO I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING.
UM, SO YOU WON'T SEE THE CONTRACT COME BACK TO YOU.
IT'LL BE AWARDED THROUGH A DOT'S PROCESS.
OKAY, KATHY, SO, UM, I KNOW THIS SCORED PRETTY HIGH ON THE MATRIX, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR DEVELOPING THE MATRIX.
IT'S A VERY HELPFUL TOOL TO PUT SOME OBJECTIVITY INTO REVIEWING THESE THINGS WHEN WE HAVE THESE IN FRONT OF US.
UH, THIS SCORED 1 49 OUT OF A POSSIBLE ONE 60.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S PRETTY HIGH NUMBER.
WHAT CONTRIBUTED TO THAT BEING, UH, GETTING SUCH A HIGH SCORE? AND IS SOME OF THAT THE FACT THAT ADOT IS INVOLVED? WELL, TRUTHFULLY, A LOT OF IT IS THE, UM, TRAFFIC.
THERE'S SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC, PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ON THIS ROUTE.
UM, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY I OPENED UP WITH THAT PHOTO.
UM, EVERY TIME WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE, IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER FACTORS THAT GO INTO IT.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING AN EXISTING PATH.
UM, GO AHEAD ANDY
AND ACTUALLY IF YOU COULD GO TO THAT SLIDE WHERE YOU WERE SHOWING THE, THE MATRIX NUMBERS.
AND, AND THAT'S INDICATING GREATER THAN ONE 60.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE HAD PROJECT SCORE OVER ONE 60.
UM, BUT YEAH, THE CONFLICT BETWEEN MULTIMODAL TRAFFIC AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC IS ONE OF THE, THE THINGS THAT MAKES THE SCORE HIGHER IN THE MATRIX.
UM, THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE PARK AND OTHER POINTS OF INTEREST, UH, ALSO CONTRIBUTES TO THAT.
AND, UM, THE VOLUME, THIS IS, UH, SHELBY DRIVE IS ONE OF OUR ARTERIAL STREETS.
SO THE VOLUME OF NOT ONLY THE MULTIMODAL BUT ALSO THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND THE COMBINATION OF THOSE TOGETHER, UH, THOSE ARE OFF THE, I WAS GONNA TRY TO PULL UP THE MATRIX WHILE WE WERE TALKING, BUT
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OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE HIGH SCORE.AND I WANNA THANK COUNCILOR FURMAN FOR BRINGING UP THE, YOU KNOW, THE ROLLED CURB ASPECT BECAUSE ESPECIALLY WITH THE, FOR ME, ONE OF THE BIG FACTORS HERE IS THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE PARK.
UM, AND THAT IS ACTUALLY BACK WHEN I WAS RIDING MY BIKE, UH, THIS WAS A FREQUENT ROUTE THAT I WOULD TAKE.
AND I AGREE THAT THE ROLLED CURBS ARE MUCH MORE OF AN INCENTIVE TO BEING ABLE TO JUMP OFF, OUT OF THE HARM'S WAY FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S HARM.
UM, AS WELL AS, UH, GETTING BACK ON, I THINK.
SO I THINK IT IS SOMETHING TO LOOK AT, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A PORTION WHERE POSSIBLE.
'CAUSE I, THERE IS A LOT OF ACTIVITY ON THAT ROAD, ON THAT STREET.
UM, THE, THIS PART THAT, UH, THE FUTURE, IF YOU COULD GO TO THAT SLIDE PLEASE.
SO DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL BE ANY GRANT MONEY AVAILABLE FOR THAT FUTURE PROJECT? UM, WE'RE, WE'LL APPLY FOR IT.
UM, SO WE'RE APPLYING FOR GRANTS AND, UM, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR A GRANT THAT WE APPLIED FOR, FOR THE BREWER ROAD PROJECT TO SEE IF WE COULD GET THAT, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION MONEY HELP WITH THAT.
SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR GRANTS.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT, UM, CANDIDATE BECAUSE OF ALL THE BOXES THAT WE'VE CHECKED ALREADY WITH THE, UM, WITH THE NEPA THAT WE'VE DONE.
AND, UM, THE DESIGN AND THE TOPO AND EVERYTHING ARE, ARE READY TO GO.
UM, COULD, COULD I MAYBE SPEAK TO THAT? I, I THINK MAYBE PART OF WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING THERE IS WHERE WILL THE REMAINDER, UM, FALL INTO PRIORITY, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO NEXT YEAR WHEN WE MOVE INTO PLANNING FOR FY 27, WE'LL ADD AN ADDITIONAL PROJECT TO OUR QUEUE AND IT'LL GET REEVALUATED.
SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT OUR STAFF WON'T NECESSARILY PURSUE A GRANT FOR THIS BLIND OF HOW THAT PRIORITY MATRIX FALLS OUT.
WE WILL LOOK FOR HIGH PRIORITY PROJECTS TO APPLY FOR THOSE GRANTS FOR.
I I I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE HORSE BEFORE CART.
UM, WE HAVE AN ANIMAL THEME TONIGHT, UM,
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT AND MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO ABOUT SHADE AND BENCH STRUCTURE AT THE PARK ENTRY BEING PUT IN PRIOR TO COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.
SO AS, UM, IT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY ADDS BECAUSE IT'S NOT, UM, PART OF WHAT WE WANNA PUT OUR, UM, DO IT THE WAY WE HAD SHOWN SHOWED YOU THE, UM, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONE AT THE PARK ENTRANCE.
BUT WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SO THIS'LL BE CITY FUNDS, SO WE'RE ALREADY PLANNING ON DOING IT AND WE'RE GETTING IT IN PLACE, BUT IT WON'T BE PART OF THIS PROJECT THAT'S BEING PARTIALLY FUNDED BY ADOT.
BUT THE, THE BENCH AND THE SHADE STRUCTURE THAT YOU REFERENCED THIS, THAT'S, THAT'S IT.
I WASN'T MENTIONING IT'S A DRAFT.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A SEPARATE AMENITY IN ADDITION TO, AND WE'VE ALSO TALKED TO THE, UM, NAP PENTE HOA ABOUT DOING A BENCH NEAR THEIR OPEN SPACE WHERE THAT, SO HMM.
AND WHAT WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE? THAT WOULD BE A MORE SIMPLE BENCH.
BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING TREE CANOPY THAT, THAT EXISTS.
HOW IS THIS PROVIDING SEATING? YOU WOULD SIT ON THIS, UM, ON TOP OF THIS, UH, GIAN BASKET.
SO IT'S ALL WEATHER AND SOMETIMES QUITE ABOUT AT THE MEZCAL TRAIL HEAD.
YOU SEE PEOPLE SITTING ALL THE TIME.
KURT HARRIS, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
THIS IS PART OF THE START OF US TO STANDARDIZE THIS THAT WE'RE GONNA BRING THROUGH THAT WE'RE GONNA BE SH SHARING WITH YOU ALL ON OUR SHARED USE PATH, PART OF OUR PARKS.
SO THIS IS PART OF A, A NEW STANDARD THAT WE'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS AND MOVING FORWARD THEN THAT'S WHAT, ONCE WE GET APPROVAL, THIS IS THIS, UH, WE'RE GOING TO, UM, STANDARDIZE IT.
SO THEN IT'LL BE IN-HOUSE OR BY CONTRACT THAT WE'LL HAVE DRAWINGS FOR.
SO IT'LL BE SOMETHING WE COULD PULL RIGHT OFF THE SHELF.
AND I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE ROLLED CURVE, BUT I WOULD THINK IT, IT, WAS THERE A DRAINAGE PROBLEM THERE IN THE PAST? I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTOOD THE FACT OF A REGULAR CURB 'CAUSE I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, SO TO ME IT'S A REGULAR CURB.
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THAT HELPS BETTER WITH, UH, DRAINAGE THAN A ROLL CURVE, DOESN'T IT? IT IT DOES.AND THE, THE MAIN REASON FOR THAT IS THERE'S MORE DEPTH MM-HMM
THAT'S WHAT CREATES THE VOLUME THAT'S, UH, THE CAPACITY OF THE ROAD.
UM, AND SO AS FAR AS HOW MUCH DRAINAGE IN THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION, I WOULD LOOK TO HANUKAH AND SANDY FOR THAT.
YEAH, WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THE DRAINAGE MAP.
SO LIKE THE MIDDLE OF NAP PENTE DOWN IS A FLOODPLAIN.
SO IT'S SIGNIFICANT RUNNING RIGHT DOWN THE ROADWAY.
SO, UH, AND SO WHICH TAKES PRECEDENT, DRAINAGE OR BIKE SCALABILITY, IS THAT THE SCALE, WHATEVER, WHAT'S IT CALLED, UH, FOR A BIKE TO GET OVER THE ROLL CURVES? ACCESS.
ACCESS, WHICH IS REALLY, UH, DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK.
ARE YOU ASKING AN ENGINEER OR ARE YOU ASKING A BIKE ENTHUSIAST? ARE YOU ASKING A RIGHT.
SO VICTIM OF I'M SURE YOU DO WHATEVER IT, WHATEVER THE ANSWER IS.
I'M NOT GONNA HOLD YOU TO IT NOW, BUT, WELL, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE, UM, BIKE, UM, COMMUNITY.
THIS IS, I WANTED TO POINT OUT THIS IS ANOTHER, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A DA THEN THIS IS A RAMP ALSO AT THIS POP OUT.
SO IT MAKES IT EASY FOR BIKES TO GET INTO THE SUNSET PARK.
SO IT'S PRETTY EASY TO DO SOME OF THESE SMALL CUTS, KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE GOT ON 1 79 WHERE IT'S AT AN ANGLE THAT WAS PART OF HANUKKAH'S PROJECT AND WE CAN POP THOSE IN AGAIN AFTER THIS PROJECT BECAUSE WE'VE REALLY GOTTEN A LOT OF SCRUTINY FROM ADOT ON WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHY WE'RE DOING IT.
SO, UM, WE FINALLY GOT APPROVAL.
THE BOXES ARE CHECKED, SO, UM, WE CAN PUT SOME FINE TOUCHES ON IT ON THIS PROJECT AFTERWARDS.
UH, OKAY, THAT'S IT FOR THE QUESTIONS.
UH, WE'LL START WITH TIM PERRY.
UH, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA WITH ANOTHER OF THESE SHARED USE PATH PROJECTS BEFORE THE COUNCIL.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS IS YET ANOTHER ATTEMPT BY THE MILLIONAIRES ON COUNCIL TO REDIRECT TAX DOLLARS, UH, TO A PET PROJECT OF THEIRS.
YEAH, I KNOW BRIAN LTZ AND PETE FURMAN WANT TAX DOLLARS TO PAY FOR THEIR PRIVATE ROAD THAT THEY'LL USE.
THE REST OF US PROBABLY NEVER WILL.
IT'S ALSO INTERESTING IN THAT IT'S YET ANOTHER ATTEMPT BY COUNCIL TO TURN SEDONA INTO, UH, ONE OF THE HELL HOLES THAT THEY CAME FROM.
NOTHING SAYS BIG CITY WASTE, LIKE BUILDING SPECIAL SEPARATE ROAD NETWORKS FOR DIFFERENT KINDS OF MOTOR VEHICLES.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE HEAR FROM YOU GUYS ALL THE TIME HOW YOU WANT TO GET CARS OFF THE ROAD.
WELL YOU, YOU DON'T GET CARS OFF THE ROAD BY BUILDING MORE ROADS.
YOU GET CARS OFF THE ROAD BY REMOVING THE INFRASTRUCTURE THEY NEED.
YOU COULD JUST TURN ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC INTO A BIKE LANE, KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD MAKE TOO MUCH SENSE.
AND THEN THERE'S THE ASPECT THAT'S CONTINUALLY LURKING IN THE BACK OF THESE DISCUSSIONS.
THIS, UH, FORM OF PARANOID COWARDICE THAT SOMEHOW IT IS NOT SAFE TO RIDE A BIKE ON THE VERGE OF THE ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW, APPARENTLY NO ONE ON THIS COUNSELOR'S STAFF WAS EVER A COLLEGE STUDENT HAVING TO BIKE BACK MILES TO THEIR DORM WITH BAGS HANGING ON BOTH HANDLEBARS WHILE TRAFFIC WAS 18 INCHES FROM YOU.
WE KEEP GETTING PROPOSALS FROM THIS COUNCIL AND STAFF TO BUILD MORE AND MORE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE NO NEED FOR.
WHAT SEDONA DOES NEED IS NOT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE, MORE DEVELOPMENT.
'CAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT IS NOT EITHER INEVITABLE OR SOMEHOW INHERENTLY DESIRABLE.
WHAT IT NEEDS IS UNDERDEVELOPMENT AND DEGROWTH BUILDING MORE.
WE, WE SHOULD NOT BE BUILDING MORE ROADS.
WE SHOULD BE TEARING ROADS OUT BECAUSE BUILDING ROADS ISN'T JUST A WAY TO GROW THE BUREAUCRACY.
IT'S ALSO A WAY TO GROW THE STATE'S CONTROL OF INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT.
YOU TEAR OUT THE ROADS, INDIVIDUALS WILL INNOVATE IN TRANSPORT TERMS TO FIGURE OUT ALTERNATE SOLUTIONS THAT WILL GIVE THEM GREATER FREEDOM.
YOU PUT ROADS IN, YOU TAKE AWAY THE INITIATIVE TO INNOVATE.
BUT WE KNOW HOW MUCH THIS COUNCIL LOVES INNOVATION AND THE CAUSE OF FREEDOM.
JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT SINCE PETE BROUGHT IT UP HERE.
FROM A CYCLIST STANDPOINT ON THIS PROJECT, I'M HIGHLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
I THINK IT'S A MUCH NEEDED INFRASTRUCTURE AND LIVES TO OTHER COMMENTS HERE THAT IT WILL GET MORE PEOPLE
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ON BICYCLES.I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO RIDE AID ISSUES IN TRAFFIC, BUT MOST KIDS ARE NOT AND MOST PARENTS ARE NOT WILLING TO LET THEIR KIDS DO THAT.
SO THIS WILL REALLY ENCOURAGE USE AND AS MUCH NEEDED IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
THE ROLLED CURB I THINK IS HIGHLY BENEFICIAL FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT.
UM, AND I CAN SAY ANECDOTALLY FROM BEING ON SOME CALLS CAUSED BY SQUARE CURBS WITH MY, MY WORK AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO I DO SEE THE BENEFIT OF THAT IN SOME OF THESE CASES.
THERE IS A SAFETY CONCERN TO IT.
UM, AND I DO SEE A LITTLE BIT ON THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE WITH THE PARKING AT THE INTER INTER INTERSECTION ON THE CURRENT SLIDE.
UM, I DIDN'T, IS THERE A PATHWAY GOING DOWN THE DOWNHILL DIRECTION GOING SOUTH ON SHELBY? IS THERE, THERE'S NOT A BIKE PATH MM-HMM
SO WE WILL HAVE HIGHER SPEED DUE TO THE GRADE ON THAT SECTION OF SHARED USE PATH.
UM, AND I HAVE CONCERN WITH THE LINE OF SIGHT WITH THE PARKING SPOTS RIGHT THERE.
AND IF THAT'S TOO TIGHT OF A CURVE COMING INTO THAT INTERSECTION WITH THE CONNECTION TO SUNSET PARK, YOU'LL HAVE CYCLISTS LIKELY JUST GO OUT INTO TRAFFIC, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS ONCOMING TRAFFIC.
SO I WOULD TRY TO MAKE THAT CURVE AS IT'S COULD BE SEEN AS A CALMING AREA TO SLOW PEOPLE THE CURVE.
BUT IN REALITY I THINK THEY'LL JUST DUMP OFF THE CURVE INTO THAT LANE OF TRAFFIC.
SO I THINK IT'S THE, THE BETTER CURVE OF THAT RADIUS APPROACHING THE CONNECTION TO SUNSET PARK THAT THEY CAN CARRY MOMENTUM AND NOT FEEL LIKE IT'S OUT OF THEIR WAY WILL BE SAFER.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN I KNOW LIKE, AND AS WELL AS THE APPROACH ON THAT PATHWAY, LIKE WHEN YOU'RE COMING FROM SUNSET, THAT WILL ALSO ALLOW FOR A MUCH BETTER APPROACH INTO THE DIRECTIONS GOING OTHER, OTHER WAY.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
BUT OTHERWISE, I MEAN FROM MY STANDPOINT, AND I CAN, I CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE COLLEAGUES I WORK WITH, WITH THE NON-PROFIT, WITH THE CYCLIST COALITION.
EVERYBODY'S IN HIGH SUPPORT OF THESE PROJECTS WOULD GO AND THE, AND THE STEPS PROGRAM.
PETER, DID YOU WANNA ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT LAURA SAYS? YEAH, LAR, JUST SO I'M REAL CLEAR, YOUR POSITION ON ROLLED CURVE VERSUS THE SQUARE CURB.
I, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHICH SIDE YOU WERE A ROLLED CURB.
UH, THE ROAD CURB I THINK IS BENEFICIAL.
I, I MEAN I UNDERSTAND LIKE THE PROBLEM YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE WITH DRAINAGE, BUT I HAVE BEEN ON A COUPLE OF CALLS PERSONALLY WHERE THE CAUSE WAS LACK OF A ROLLED CURB WHERE WE HAD A CYCLIST CRASH WELL INTO THE BETWEEN THEY WERE IN THE LANE OF TRAVEL, FELL INTO THE, ESSENTIALLY THE LANDSCAPE GRAVEL BETWEEN THE SHARED EAST PATH ON 1 79.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? PETE? YOU GOOD? GOOD KATHY? GOOD.
BRIAN, DID YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? SURE.
YOU CAN PUT THE THREE MINUTE TIMER ON ME IF YOU WANT.
UH, FIRST OFF, THANK YOU, UH, STAFF FOR, UH, PUTTING THIS PROJECT TOGETHER.
UM, I'M DEFINITELY SUPPORTIVE OF SHARED USE PATHS.
UM, MR. PERRY, YOU CRACKED ME UP.
ARE YOU WORKING ON LIKE STANDUP SARCASM ACT? IS THAT LIKE YOUR MISSION OR SOMETHING? UM, ONE THING YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO IS ACTUALLY GET TO KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE AND, AND ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT THAT THE TRUTH OF, UH, WHAT PEOPLE'S EXPERIENCES ARE AND NOT JUST MAKE, UH, BLATANT ASSUMPTIONS THAT ARE WRONG.
SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, I USED TO RIDE MY BIKE IN CHICAGO, IN THE HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD TO SCHOOL, COUPLE MILES EACH WAY ALL YEAR ROUND IN THE WINTER, IN THE SNOW BACKPACK ON MY BACK BAGS ON THE HANDLEBARS.
SO DUDE, I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR REAL.
UH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW A ROAD BIKE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I DON'T BIKE THE ROADS HERE IN SEDONA.
I GOD BLESS ANYBODY WHO DOES 'CAUSE LIKE THE DRIVERS HERE WOULD SCARE ME TO DEATH.
SO ONE MORE REASON WHY I LOVE THE SHARED USE PATH.
YOU DIDN'T START THE CLOCK, JOE.
MELISSA, WHAT, WHAT YOU GOT? I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST DO WHAT I ALWAYS DO.
THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO.
UM, I THINK THIS WILL ULTIMATELY BENEFIT EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN SEDONA OR COMES TO VISIT SEDONA.
WHETHER YOU RIDE A BIKE OR YOU DON'T.
UM, I FIND MYSELF OFTEN WHEN I'M DOWN HERE AT CITY HALL HEADING UP TO THUNDER MOUNTAIN AND WALKING THOSE LOVELY LITTLE PATHS THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT, THOSE SOME SHADE STRUCTURES WOULD BE NICE.
I'M NOT AN ENGINEER SO I'M NOT GOING TO OPINE ON THE, UH, VIABILITY OF THE ENGINEERING STATS, BUT
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I REMEMBER BACK A LONG TIME AGO WHERE I USED TO ACTUALLY RIDE A BIKE TO HIGH SCHOOL ON A MAIN ROAD AND I USED TO TAKE A SHARED USE PATH AND EIGHT TIME BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT I HAD TO DEAL WITH.BUT, AND I ACTUALLY SPILLED TWICE.
BUT ANYWAY, UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I, I MOVED TO APPROVE THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION TO ADOT REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIM 11 Q DASH SHELBY SHELBY DRIVE, SHARED USE PATH.
I GA 24 DASH 0 0 0 9 8 9 9 DASH I THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION IS ESTIMATED TO BE APPROXIMATELY $1 MILLION.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.
ANY OPPOSED? WE ARE UNANIMOUS.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORT YOU PUT INTO IT.
[8.c. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items. ]
OKAY, AND OF COURSE, ITEM C, AB 30 66.DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS. WE HAVE A MEETING RIGHT HERE, UH, TOMORROW THREE O'CLOCK.
BRIAN, DID YOU HAVE A, AN ITEM? I DID.
SO, UH, WHILE HE'S NOT HERE ANY LONGER, MR. FITZPATRICK, UH, I DID PULL BACK UP, UH, ONE OF HIS COMMUNICATIONS AND, UM, I AM NOT SUPPORTIVE OF IZING AN ITEM, UH, THAT HE HAS REQUESTED BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT IS VERY SPECIFICALLY OUTSIDE OF OUR, UH, JURISDICTION AND WE NEED TO STAY IN OUR LANE.
AND, UH, THIS IS NOT ONE INSTANCE THAT, UH, I SEE WHERE WE SHOULD BE, UH, JUMPING INTO IT.
WOULD THAT BE A BIKE LANE THAT WE SHOULD STAY IN? UH, UH UH.
ANYTHING ELSE? BRIAN BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH, BUT YEAH,
I MEAN, JUST COVER IT AND THEN IF HE WATCHES THE END OF THIS MEETING, HE'LL KNOW THAT WE ALL SAID YES OR OKAY.
WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW AT THREE O'CLOCK.
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ADJOURNED.