* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] OKAY. WELCOME EVERYONE. UH, PLEASE. I WANNA REMIND YOU ALL TO TURN OFF YOUR PHONES AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S GONNA MAKE ANY NOISE. I'VE JUST DONE MINE, SO I DON'T WANNA FORGET EITHER. BUT, UM, IF YOU WOULD ACCOMMODATE US, I'D APPRECIATE IT. UH, WE'RE GOING TO START NOW. I WILL, UH, CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO DECLARE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND DUE TO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND WITH LIBERTY OF JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, [2. ROLL CALL] MADAM DEPUTY CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR BLO. HERE, VICE MAYOR PLU. EXCUSED. COUNCILLOR DUNN. PRESENT. COUNCILLOR FOLTZ. HERE. COUNCILLOR FURMAN. PRESENT. COUNCILOR ELA. HERE. COUNCILLOR FAF. PRESENT. [Additional Item] OKAY. COUNCILLOR FAF HAS A TIME SENSITIVE ANNOUNCEMENT TO MAKE. UH, IF YOU WANNA MAKE THAT NOW, PLEASE. YEAH. BEFORE THE FUN STARTS, UH, JUST WANNA TELL EVERYBODY, THE SEDONA RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL FALL ATHLETIC PROGRAM IS HAVING A FUNDRAISER THIS WEEKEND. IT IS A COMMUNITY CAKE FEST. UM, I DON'T NEED TO EAT MORE CAKE, BUT IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, COME UP, MAYBE DURING A BREAK, YOU CAN EITHER TAKE A PICTURE OF THIS, UH, IT'S GOT A QR CODE, OR I'VE GOT SOME OF THE LITTLE THINGS ABOUT THE FUNDRAISER. UM, RAISING MONEY FOR THE FALL ATHLETICS, UH, INCLUDING FOOTBALL. GIVE US SOMETHING TO DO ON FRIDAY NIGHTS, OTHER THAN ARGUE WITH OUR FRIENDS ON SOCIAL MEDIA. THANK YOU. OKAY, [3.a. AB 3240 Discussion/possible direction regarding the City’s ALPR (Automatic License Plate Reader) Program with Flock Group, Inc.] SPECIAL BUSINESS ITEM THREE, A AB 32 40 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING THE CITY'S. UH, WAS IT AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS, UH, PROGRAM, UH, WITH THE FLOCK GROUP, UH, AND CHIEF, UH, COMMANDER, YOU WANNA STEP UP OR WHOEVER'S TAKE, TAKE A SEAT. I'M JUST GONNA LET EVERYBODY KNOW HERE HOW THIS MEETING'S GOING TO BE HANDLED TODAY. UH, WE'RE GOING TO LET, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, AND STAFF GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION FIRST UNINTERRUPTED, UH, AT WHICH POINT WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS THEN, THEN WE'LL BE TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, AND EVERYBODY WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, SPEAK. WE'RE NOT CUTTING ANYBODY OFF. WE'RE NOT CUTTING ANY TIME LIMITS. YOU'LL ALL HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, AND THEN WE'LL PROCEED ON WITH ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL. SO, CHIEF COMMANDER, WELCOME. GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, MAYOR, UH, AND COUNCIL. UH, CHRIS DO, UH, PATROL COMMANDER FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UH, OBVIOUSLY I HAVE CHIEF FOLEY WITH ME AND, UM, THE FLOCK REPRESENTATIVE, UM, EMAILED ME AT, ONE SAID HIS FLIGHT WAS, HAD JUST COME IN AND HE WAS COMING UP HERE, SO HE WILL BE, HE SAID HE'LL BE HERE RIGHT AT THREE. SO, WITH THAT SAID, UM, OBVIOUSLY TODAY'S, UH, THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS TO, UM, PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ON THE AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS TECHNOLOGY. SO THE PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE, UH, AN OVERVIEW, UH, OF HOW LPR TECHNOLOGY WORKS, UM, WHAT IT DOES AND DOESN'T DO SOME COMPREHENSIVE, UM, UH, STATS ON ARIZONA AND NATIONALLY, UH, SUPPORT AND INFORMED DECISION AND ABOUT SEDONAS POLICY, AND ADDRESS SOME COMMUNITY CONCERNS WITH SUPPORT, UH, FROM THE FLOCK REPRESENTATIVE. SO, BENEFITS OF, UH, THE L THE A LPR, RAPID IDENTIFICATION OF SUSPECT VEHICLES SUPPORTS AMBER SILVER, TURQUOISE BLUE ALERTS AND STOLEN VEHICLE RECOVERY, REDUCES INVESTIGATIVE TIME, INCREASES EFFICIENCY, AND EXPANDS COVERAGE BEYOND OFFICER LINE OF SIGHT. UM, WHAT I FAILED TO SAY WAS, THIS PRESENTATION HOPEFULLY WILL ANSWER MOST OF YOUR QUESTIONS BY THE TIME I'M DONE. IF WE'LL JUST HOLD OFF UNTIL I'M DONE, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. AND, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE I CAN GET THE, ALL THE INFORMATION AND ANSWER IT APPROPRIATELY IN THE RIGHT, IN THE RIGHT ORDER. WE'RE NOT GONNA INTERRUPT. WE'LL LET YOU JUST CONTINUE ON. THANK YOU. I ALMOST FORGOT THAT . SO, HISTORY OF LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION. UM, BASICALLY IT STARTED OUT IN ABOUT 1976. A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK IT'S ONLY BEEN AROUND FOR A DECADE OR TWO, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN AROUND FOR, UH, ABOUT 50 YEARS. STARTED IN THE UK. UM, IT, IT FIRST ASSISTED THE FIRST AR ASSISTED ARREST WAS IN 1981, UH, IN THE [00:05:01] UK WAS A HOMICIDE SUSPECT. DURING THE 1990S, ADVANCEMENTS WERE MADE, AND OBVIOUSLY AS TECHNOLOGY SHRUNK, IT BECAME MORE USABLE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. IN 1998, LPR EXPANDED TO THE US FOR BORDER SECURITY. BY THE 2000 STORED LPR DATA BECAME ASSIST, BEGAN ASSISTING IN SOLVING CRIMES RETROSPECTIVELY, AND 2005 LPR HELPED SOLVE A UK MURDER CASE. TODAY, LPR SYSTEMS ARE AFFORDABLE, EASY TO, EASY TO DEPLOY, AND COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING HARDWARE. THEY'RE WIDELY USED IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, COMMERCIAL SECURITY, AND PRIVATE SECTORS. YOU'LL FIND THESE ALSO, WHEN I SAY PRIVATE SECTORS, A LOT OF WALMARTS HAVE THEM, UM, FOR THEIR MASS THEFTS, HOME DEPOTS. THE, UH, THE LARGER, UH, SCALE, UH, STORES WILL HAVE 'EM. SO WHAT IS LPR TECHNOLOGY? UH, AUTOMATIC CAMERAS THAT CAPTURE IMAGES OF LICENSE PLATES. THEY CONVERT THE IMAGE TO A MACHINE READABLE DATA. THEY MATCH AGAINST A DATABASE FOR STOLEN VEHICLES, ET CETERA. AND THEY PROVIDE ALERTS AND INVESTIGATIVE LEADS. UH, THIS SLIDE IS BASICALLY SHOWING WHAT THE A LPR GRABS AS THE VEHICLE PASSES. AND THAT KIND OF SHOWS THE ANGLE OF WHAT IT, IT IT PICKS UP. HERE'S AN IMAGE OF THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT DOESN'T PICK UP ANYTHING BUT THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE. IT'S NOT INTENDED TO PICK UP A DRIVER. IT'S NOT INTENDED TO PICK UP OCCUPANTS. IT'S INTENDED TO PICK UP THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE. AND HERE'S ONE AT NIGHT, SAME CONCEPT. THIS ONE SHOWS A HEAD BUMPER DAMAGE. SO THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD SHOW UP ON A HOT LIST. SO IF AN OFFICER PUT IN THERE, THIS IS A ROBBERY SUSPECT WITHOUT LICENSE PLATE, THIS WOULD SHOW UP, UH, AS THE HOT LIST ALERT. SO WHAT A LPR DOES, IT CAPTURES LICENSE PLATE NUMBERS AND VEHICLE DETAILS. MAKE MODEL COLOR AND UNIQUE FEATURES. WE TALKED ABOUT UNIQUE FEATURES. IT COULD BE A TRAILER. I CAN SEARCH THIS BY TRAILER. SO IF IT WAS HAD A TRAILER OR, UH, TOOLBOX IN THE BACK, UH, A, A STICKER ON THE BACK, IT WILL PICK THOSE KINDS OF THINGS UP. YOU CAN ALSO PUT DAMAGE TO VEHICLES. SO IF YOU HAD ONE THAT HAD, YOU KNOW, A BROKEN WINDOW OR A DAMAGE TO THE BACK BUMPER, YOU COULD PUT THAT IN THERE. ALSO, IT SENDS REALTIME ALERTS WHEN MATCHING PLATES ARE IDENTIFIED. DATA IS ENCRYPTED AND STORED SECURELY IN CLOUD DATABASE USES ADVANCED ALGORITHMS FOR ACCURATE PLATE RECOGNITION, EVEN AT NIGHT OR DURING ADVERSE WEATHER. THE SLIDE I SHOWED YOU BEFORE SHOWS YOU THE PLATE THAT'S ON THERE. SO WHEN I SAY IT CAN PICK UP UNIQUE FEATURES, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE PLATE. I CAN JUST PUT IN THERE SILVER FORD EXPLORER WITH A BUMPER STICKER IN THE BACK WINDOW, AND IT WILL SEARCH THAT INSTEAD OF JUST NEEDING A LICENSE PLATE AS WELL. SO, WHICH, WHICH HELPS AT TIMES WHAT IT DOES NOT DO. IT DOES NOT DO FACIAL RECOGNITION. IT DOES NOT RUN LICENSE PLATES THROUGH MVD. IT PURELY TAKES A PICTURE OF THE BACK OF IT AND IT STORES THAT IMAGE. SO IT DOES NOT RUN IT THROUGH MVD FOR ADDRESSES FOR WHO'S DRIVING IT, ANY OF THAT. WHAT IT DOES DO IS IT RUNS IT THROUGH A-C-I-C-N-C-I-C-A-C-I-C IS THE ARIZONA CRIMINAL INFORMATION CENTER AND NCIC, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL CENTER. AND IT CHECKS FOR THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ENTERED IN THERE, SUCH AS STOLEN VEHICLES, ARMED ROBBERIES, SUSPECTS, AND SO ON. IT ALSO HAS THAT HOT LIST, WHICH COULD BE FROM LOCAL COINCIDENCE. IT DOES NOT TAKE VIDEO. THERE IS NO VIDEO PORTION OF THIS. IT'S A STILL IMAGE. IT DOES NOT RECORD TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS. IT DOES NOT CHECK SPEED. IT DOES NOT CHECK YOUR REGISTRATION TO SEE IF YOUR REGISTRATION'S EXPIRED. IT HAS NO CAPABILITY TO DO THAT. IT DOESN'T RUN IT THROUGH THE MVD DATABASE. AGAIN, IT ONLY RUNS IT THROUGH A CIC AND NCIC, AND IT DOES NOT HOLD IMAGES OVER 30 DAYS. OVER 65 LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IN ARIZONA CURRENTLY USE A LPR, INCLUDING MUNICIPAL POLICE, COUNTY SHERIFFS, UNIVERSITIES, AND TRAVEL AGENCIES. THE COMMON VENDORS HERE IN ARIZONA ARE FLOCK AND VIGILANT. THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 16, I BELIEVE I SENT YOU IN THE PACKETS. UM, A COMPREHENSIVE LIST FROM, UM, THE GOVERNMENT THAT SHOWED ALL THE DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS AND WHO IT IS FROM. THESE ARE ALL AMERICAN MADE AMERICAN COMPANIES, UH, USED FOR CRIME PREVENTION INVESTIGATIONS OF PUBLIC SAFETY. HERE'S A QUICK SNAPSHOT OF SOME OF THE AGENCIES THAT HAVE IT. IN A UPD, FLAGSTAFF, COTTONWOOD PRESCOTT, PRESCOTT VALLEY, UH, COCONINO COUNTY HAS IT. [00:10:01] ARIZONA DPS. AGAIN, THERE'S A LONG LIST OF AGENCIES HERE IN ARIZONA THAT HAVE IT. UH, IF YOU WANTED A, A MORE COMPREHENSIVE LIST, I COULD PROVIDE THAT. HERE'S THE A LPR NATIONAL SNAPSHOT. AGAIN, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S 206, AT LEAST 267 AGENCIES, NATIONAL, NATIONWIDE, INCLUDING EUGENE PD, CLEVELAND, OHIO, SEATTLE POLICE USE IT, UH, HOUSTON, TEXAS, SAN LOUIS, ABISPO, I BELIEVE. I JUST READ AN ARTICLE ABOUT SAN JOSE. SO, AGAIN, THERE'S A, A COMPREHENSIVE LIST THERE. AND IF YOU WANTED MORE, I COULD PROVIDE THOSE TO YOU AS WELL. A LPR SUCCESS STORIES. SO WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD TWO IN THE LAST MONTH THAT WERE SUCCESS STORIES FROM OUR AGENCY, BUT NOT USING ANY CAMERAS FROM SEDONA. THESE CAMERAS FROM OTHER AGENCIES THAT REPORTED TO US, HEY, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON. SO THE FIRST ONE WAS A SUICIDAL SUBJECT. WE HAD A SUICIDAL SUBJECT THAT GOT, UM, CAPTURED ON A-L-A-L-P-R ON I 17 AT ABOUT COURT DISJUNCTION THAT PROMPTED DPS TO SAY, HEY, YOU HAVE A SUICIDAL SUBJECT GOING NORTH. THEY CONTACTED THE FAMILY. THE FAMILY SAID, YEAH, HE STATED AT ONE POINT THAT IF HE WAS GOING TO COMMIT SUICIDE, HE WAS GONNA GO TO SEDONA. WELL, BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE HAD THE HIT, THEY BELIEVED, WELL, HE MAY BE GOING TO SEDONA. THEY ALERTED US. THEY SAID, THIS INDIVIDUAL MAY BE IN YOUR AREA. OFFICERS SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME TRYING TO LOCATE HIM. THEY WERE SUCCESSFULLY ABLE TO LOCATE HIM. HE WAS IN THE, ON THE IN POSSE GROUNDS, ON THE POSSE GROUND PARK. UM, THEY LOCATED HIM IN TIME TO SAVE HIM. HE HAD CUT HIMSELF PRETTY SEVERELY. THEY HAD TO USE A TOURNIQUET. UH, AND ULTIMATELY HE WAS SAVED BY THE A LPR ON I 17 BECAUSE IT, HE WAS ABLE TO REDUCE, UM, OR SHOW THIS IS WHERE HE MAY BE GOING. THE SECOND ONE WAS AN AGGRAVATED ASSAULT SUSPECT. WE HAD A AGGRAVATED ASSAULT SUSPECT THIS LAST WEEKEND WHO PULLED A RAZOR, UH, A BOX CUTTER ON AN INDIVIDUAL. IT WAS, IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD FIGHT. HE PULLED THE, UH, BOX CUTTER AND WE KNEW HE WAS GOING TOWARDS COTTONWOOD, UH, OFFICERS AND DISPATCH NOTIFIED COTTONWOOD POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SAID, HEY, CAN YOU PUT HIM IN YOUR SYSTEM? SO THEY PUT HIM IN THEIR OWN A LPR SYSTEM. THEY SHOWED HIM GOING INTO COTTONWOOD, AND THEY SAID, YEAH, HE PASSED THIS CAMERA LIKE 15, 20 MINUTES AGO. HE'S SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY. EARLY THE NEXT MORNING, ABOUT SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, COTTONWOOD PD CALLED US BACK AND COTTONWOOD PD SAID, HEY, GUESS WHAT? HE'S COMING BACK UP TO YOU. HE'S BACK IN ROUTE. HE JUST PASSED OUR A LPR NORTHBOUND ON 89 A BE READY FOR HIM. OFFICER STAGED AT THE CITY LIMITS. AND LO AND BEHOLD, SUSPECT CAME IN AND HE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY WITHOUT INCIDENT LED TO HIS ARREST. AND THE, THE, UM, THE COMPLETION OF THAT INVESTIGATION. THERE'S SOME OTHER L-A-O-P-R, UM, SUCCESS STORIES. I DON'T WANNA GET INTO HUGE DETAILS WITH THEM 'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THE SUCCESS. ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO ME WAS ONE IN COTTONWOOD. WE HAD A ROBBERY AT THE, UH, THE OLD GIANT STORE. I THINK IT'S SPEEDWAY NOW. THE CORNER OF TWO 60 AND 89. A SUSPECT WENT INTO THE, UH, THE CLERK ROBBED THEM AT KNIFE POINT. THEY THEN FLED IN A VEHICLE NORTHBOUND 89 A. ACTUALLY, THEY FLED TOWARDS THE CENTER OF TOWN. THE WITNESS AND THE COMPLAINANT WERE ABLE TO SAY IT WAS A SILVER VEHICLE, OR GAVE US THE TYPE OF VEHICLE, COULD NOT PROVIDE A LICENSE PLATE. UM, BUT THEY SAID, HEY, IT'S IT'S EN ROUTE THIS WAY. WELL, DISPATCH QUICKLY GOT ONTO THE SYSTEM. THEY IDENTIFIED THE ONLY SILVER VEHICLE THAT PASSED THAT A OPR DURING THAT QUICK TIMEFRAME. 'CAUSE IT HAPPENED WITHIN A MINUTE OF THE ROBBERY. THEY WERE IDENTIFIED. THE SUSPECT OFFICER, THEY PROVIDED THE INFORMATION TO THE OFFICERS. THE OFFICERS ACTUALLY WENT TO THE SUSPECT'S HOUSE. AND AS THE SUSPECT WAS ARRIVING BACK HOME, THEY TOOK HIM IN CUSTODY AGAIN. IT WAS A SUCCESS, A SUCCESS STORY FROM THE DISPATCH SIDE, BECAUSE DISPATCH TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO ENTER IT AND TO BE ON IT. WELL, OFFICERS WERE RESPONDING BECAUSE THEY, WHEN THE OFFICERS RESPONDING, THEY WERE JUST THINKING, WE HAVE A ROBBERY. AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE GETAWAY CAR WAS. SO THAT WAS A SEX STORY. HERE'S SOME MORE ON THERE. UM, UH, AGGRAVATED SEXUAL ABUSE. UM, SUBJECT WAS ARRESTED, HIT AND RUN ARREST. HERE'S SOME MORE FROM PRESCOTT AND PRESCOTT VALLEY. PRESCRIPTION DRUG ARREST, SEXUAL ASSAULT. UM, HERE'S A, THE FLOCK ALERT PROVIDED THE LOCATION OF A VEHICLE BELONGING TO A PERSON OF INTEREST IN THE STRUCTURE FIRE THAT INVOLVED DEATH. SO PRESCOTT WAS ABLE TO LOCATE THIS VEHICLE, LOCATE THE SUSPECT OR THE SUBJECT OF INTEREST. THEY WERE ABLE TO INTERVIEW THAT SUBJECT, DETERMINE THAT [00:15:01] HE WAS NOT INVOLVED IN IT, AND THEN CONTINUE THEIR INVESTIGATION WITH OTHER LEADS. SO IT ACTUALLY SPED THE TIME UP TO THE INVESTIGATION BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO ELIMINATE THAT ONE PERSON AND THEN GO THROUGH THE SYSTEM. SO NOT ONLY DID IT HELP LOCATE THAT PERSON, BUT IT HELPED ELIMINATE THEM AND ALLOWED THE POLICE TO TAKE THE DIRECTION THEY NEEDED TO TAKE. WITH THE INVESTIGATION. PRESCOTT VALLEY SHOOTING, SUSPECT, MANSLAUGHTER ARREST, PRESCOTT VALLEY WOMAN PUSH FROM MOVING VEHICLE TWO WOMEN WERE PUSHED FROM A MOVING VEHICLE, TRAVELING AT HIGH SPEED THAT SUSTAINED INJURIES. THE VEHICLE WAS LATER LOCATED THROUGH FLOCK, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND THAT SUBJECT AND ARREST THEM AFTER HE PUSHED TWO WOMEN OUTTA THE VEHICLE. AND THEN, UM, ONE OF MY FAVORITES IS NUMBER FOUR, THEIR PRESCOTT VALLEY PD FELONY THEFT ARREST. A SUSPECT TOOK A FRENCH BULLDOG. UM, THEY HAD A VEHICLE DESCRIPTION AND THEY WERE ABLE TO LOCATE THE SUSPECT AND TAKE THE SUSPECT INTO CUSTODY FOR, UM, FELONY THEFT FOR, FOR TAKING THE, THE FRENCH BULLDOG. SO THE DOG WAS ABLE TO RETURN HOME. AND THEN THERE'S TWO OTHER ONES, SUICIDAL SUBJECT AND A DEMENTIA SUBJECT. DEMENTIA SUBJECT, UM, WENT MISSING. HIS VEHICLE WAS LOCATED, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND HIM AND RETURN HIM HOME. HERE'S SOME MORE THROUGHOUT THE, THE COUNTRY, AS YOU CAN SEE, HERE'S A BIG ONE. THE FORT BRAGG SHUTTING DOWN A CADILLAC CONVERTER THEFT RING. UH, WE HAD ONE OF THESE IN COTTONWOOD ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, AND CAMERAS WEREN'T UP YET, BUT WE WERE GETTING HAMMERED WITH COTTON, WITH, WITH CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFTS. 'CAUSE THEY HAPPEN AT NIGHT. THEY HAPPEN WHEN THERE'S NOBODY AROUND, AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO LOCATE THEM WITHOUT OTHER INFORMATION FROM VEHICLES TRAVELING. SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE BIG QUESTION, RIGHT? THE BIG QUESTION IS WHY SEDONA WITH OVER 3.5 MILLION VISITS ANNUALLY, SEDONA FACES UNIQUE CHALLENGES. AMONG THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS WANTED FOR CRIMES IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, SOME OF WHOM TRAVELED TO OUR COMMUNITY TO COMMIT OTHER OFFENSES, AND THEN FLEW BACK TO METROPOLITAN AREAS LIKE PHOENIX OR TO OTHER STATES. WE GET CRIME BULLETINS A LOT WHERE WE HAVE GROUPS OF TRAVELING. PEOPLE WHO COMMIT CRIMES HERE SPEND ONLY A WEEK HERE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE POLICE WILL BE ON THEM. IF THEY SPEND ANY MORE TIME THAN THAT, THEN THEY MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CITY. AND YOU'LL SEE THOSE. AND WE GET THOSE, THOSE MESSAGES FROM THE OTHER AGENCIES SAYING, HEY, WATCH OUT FOR THIS GROUP WHO MAY BE COMING IN TO VICTIMIZE THAT THIS WOULD HELP US WITH THAT. LOCATE THEM AS SOON AS THEY ENTERED THE CITY, WE WOULD KNOW THEY WERE IN THE CITY. A LPL TECHNOLOGY PROVIDES DUN POLICE WITH A REAL TIME TOOL TO IDENTIFY AND INTERCEPT THESE SUSPECTS BEFORE THEY CAN FURTHER VICTIMIZE THEIR RESIDENCE AND BUSINESSES. IT WILL ALSO ASSIST SEDONA PD TO FIND AND PROSECUTE THOSE SUBJECTS WHO LEAVE THE AREA AFTER COMMITTING CRIMES. WE HAVE A LOT WHO WILL GO INTO UPTOWN, THEY'LL STEAL A PIECE OF JEWELRY, OR THEY'LL FAKE A PIECE OF JEWELRY, AND THEN THEY'LL, THEY'LL FLEE THE AREA AND GO BACK TO PHOENIX. THIS WOULD HELP US LOCATE THOSE PEOPLE. AS YOU PROBABLY ARE AWARE, WELL AWARE WITNESSES ARE NOT USUALLY REALLY GOOD AT GETTING LICENSE PLATE NUMBERS. SO WITH THAT, THIS TECHNOLOGY ALSO ASSISTS US WITH, HEY, I KNOW IT WAS A BLACK CADILLAC. I KNOW IT WAS A WHITE PORSCHE. THOSE KINDS OF THINGS HELP US WITH THAT, AND WE CAN SEARCH THAT. ADDITIONALLY, ISSUES TO DONOR FREQUENT, FREQUENTLY HOST HIGH PROFILE INDIVIDUALS. SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT A YEAR. WE'VE HAD SUPREME COURT JUSTICES COME IN. WE'VE HAD THE ISRAELI CONSULATE COME IN, UM, GENERAL COME IN. SO THOSE ARE THINGS, AND THEN THEY USUALLY HAVE, IF THEY HAVE A THREAT, IT'S USUALLY A VERY SPECIFIC THREAT AGAINST THEM. SOMETHING TO KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR. SO USUALLY WHEN THOSE PEOPLE COME IN, THEY'LL TELL US, WE HAVE THIS SPECIFIC THREAT, CAN YOU PLEASE WATCH OUT FOR THIS SPECIFIC THREAT? THIS WOULD HELP US ELIMINATE THAT AND AT LEAST KNOW, OKAY, IF THEY DRIVE THIS VEHICLE TYPE OF VEHICLE, WE CAN FIND THEM. THESE VISITORS OFTEN REQUIRE HEIGHTENED SECURITY DUE TO POTENTIAL THREATS FROM TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS, EXTREMIST GROUPS OR LOAN ACTORS. FLOCK, A OPR SYSTEMS WILL ASSIST THE S POLICE DEPARTMENT IN PROACTIVELY IDENTIFYING AND TRACKING THE SUSPECTS. BY INTEGRATING THIS PROVEN TECHNOLOGY. THE CITY OF SEDONA ALIGNS ITSELF WITH MODERN DATA-DRIVEN POLICY STRATEGY. NOW, WHEN I SAY MODERN, WE'RE ACTUALLY BEHIND THE CURVE. THIS HAS BEEN OUT FOR 50 PLUS YEARS. AND WHEN I SHOW YOU ALL THE OTHER DATA ABOUT THE OTHER AGENCIES AROUND US, WE'RE THE ONE THAT'S EMPTY ON THE MAP. THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING HERE. HELPS TO SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT AND ENSURES THAT THOSE WHO COME TO DO HARM, WHETHER TO OUR COMMUNITY OR OUR GUESTS, ARE DETECTED AND HELD ACCOUNTABLE. ACCOUNTABILITY AND PRIVACY DATA ACCESS IS LIMITED TO AUTHORIZED LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL. DATA IS ENCRYPTED AND LOGGED. MOST AGENCIES RETAIN DATA FOR UP TO 30 DAYS UNLESS IT'S PART OF AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATION. WHEN I SAY MOST AGENCIES, THE STANDARD IS 30 DAYS. THERE ARE SOME AGENCIES THAT STORE IT [00:20:01] FOR SIX MONTHS, THREE MONTHS. IN FACT, THE ARTICLE I JUST READ IN FROM CALIFORNIA, THEY STORE IT FOR UP TO A YEAR BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEY HAVE TO RESTORE IT FOR UP TO A YEAR. PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY AND OVERSIGHT ARE GROWING NATIONALLY. SO THIS NEXT SLIDE IS TO KIND OF GO OVER WHAT OUR A LPR POLICY IS. LIKE ANY TECHNOLOGY, LIKE ANYTHING THAT WE DO IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE GOOD POLICIES AND PROCEDURES TO PROTECT FROM A BAD ACTOR. WE HAVE BAD ACTORS EVERYWHERE. WE HAVE BAD ACTORS EVERYWHERE WITHIN SOCIETY. THESE POLICIES HELP PROTECT WITH THAT. AND THEY ALIGN VERY CLEARLY WITH THE SAME POLICIES THAT WE HAVE FOR A CIC AND NCIC USAGE, WHICH WE ALREADY ALL HAVE WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AUTHORIZED USERS OR USES INVESTIGATE CRIMES WILL KEEP MISSING PERSONS. I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS ENTIRE LIST, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE. AND WE'VE DONE SOME OF THE SUCCESS STORIES THAT ARE ON THIS. OPERATIONAL PROCEDURES, THESE ARE SEDONA OPERATIONAL PROCEDURES. NO MEMBER OF THE DEPARTMENT SHALL OPERATE A LPR EQUIPMENT OR ACCESS A LPR DATE DATA WITHOUT FIRST COMP COMPLETING DEPARTMENT APPROVED TRAINING. THIS INCLUDES AN UNDERSTANDING OF APPLICABLE LAWS, SYSTEM FUNCTIONALITY, DATA HANDLING PROTOCOLS, AND USER RESPONSIBILITIES. OFFICERS OPERATE OPERATING A LP R'S MUST WHEN PRACTICAL CONFIRM THE SYSTEM'S INFORMATION INDEPENDENTLY. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF AN ALERT POPS UP AND SAYS THIS VEHICLE IS STOLEN, THE OFFICER MUST THEN LOCATE THE VEHICLE AND THEN RUN THAT PLATE. THAT'S VISUALLY ON THE VEHICLE, AGAIN, TO ENSURE THAT IT IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING ON THE CAMERAS. CAMERAS AREN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT. FLOCK IS ABOUT 90%, BUT THERE'S SOMETIMES STATES CAN GET WASHED OUT. YOU'LL ALSO SEE LIKE AN O OR A ZERO THAT WILL GET WASHED OUT. A B OR AN EIGHT WILL GET WASHED OUT. SO IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THE OFFICERS WHEN THEY FIND THIS VEHICLE TO RUN THE LICENSE PLATE THAT THEY SEE IN FRONT OF THEM VISUALLY AND NOT RELY ON WHAT THE CAMERA SAW. 'CAUSE THE CAMERAS ARE NOT PERFECT. UH, OKAY, ACCESS THE ALERTS OF THE, WHERE THE NATIONAL ENFORCEMENT TELECOM SYSTEM IS RESTRICTED TO PERSONNEL WHO ARE SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZED TO ACCESS THOSE DATABASES AND WHO ARE IN COMP COMPLIANCE WITH ASSOCIATED USE PROTOCOLS. AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME PROTOCOLS WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE. WE ALREADY USE THESE PROTOCOLS. THEY ARE NOT NEW TO US REGULATIONS AND LAWS TO GAIN ACCESS TO A CIC, WHICH IS THE ARIZONA CRIMINAL INFORMATION CENTER AND NCIC IN ARIZONA, YOU MUST FIRST COMPLETE REQUIRED TRAINING, WHICH IS THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION CENTER. ONLINE SECURITY AWARENESS AGENCY'S INTERNAL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES TRAINING. YOU HAVE TO UNDERGO A FINGERPRINT BASED BACKGROUND CHECK, WHICH OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALREADY IS. SO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT CHECK. THEY SIGN THE NECESSARY, UH, USER AGREEMENTS AND COMPLY WITH 28 CFR PART 20, WHICH IS THE FEDERAL REGULATION FOR IT. THEY ALSO UNDERGO AGENCY OVERSIGHT AND AUDITS, WHICH IS MANAGED BY THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY. SO EVERYTHING THAT WE CURRENTLY RUN IN OUR SYSTEM IS ALSO AUDITED BY ARIZONA DPS. AND THERE'S AN AUDIT LOG THAT THAT KEEPS IN THE SYSTEM. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DAYS, BUT IT KEEPS IN THERE FOR LIKE A YEAR OR TWO YEARS. WHEN I WORKED INTERNAL AFFAIRS PREVIOUSLY, YOU COULD GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT PREVIOUS THINGS TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE RAN WHEN THEY WERE SOMEBODY WHO QUESTIONED WHY DID THEY RUN THIS THING. YOU COULD GO BACK AND SEE, SEE THAT THEY RAN IT, AND THEN YOU COULD GO WITH YOUR INVESTIGATION FROM THERE. SO THAT SYSTEM IS ALREADY KEPT IN THERE. IF FOR SOME REASON SOMEBODY WAS RUNNING SOMETHING FOR NEFARIOUS REASONS. HERE'S SOME MORE REGULATIONS AND LAWS PENALTIES FOR MISUSES, A RS 13 DASH 2316 UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS AND USE OF COMPUTER SYSTEMS, WHICH IS A CLASS THREE, THAT CLASS SIX FELONY. WE HAVE PROSECUTED PEOPLE ON THIS. PEOPLE HAVE GONE TO PRISON FOR MISUSE OF THIS SYSTEM, GOVERNMENT WIDE. THIS ISN'T JUST OPEN TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT THERE'S ALSO OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITIES THAT USE A CIC AND NCIC THAT HAVE ACCESS TO IT, AND THEY HAVE PROSECUTED THEM ACROSS THE BOARD. THEY WILL GO TO PRISON FOR THIS. A RS 41 17 56, IMPROPER ACCESS TO CLOSE DISCLOSURE OF CRIMINAL HISTORY CLASS SIX FELONY AND A RS 13 DASH 24 0 1 CRIMINAL IMPERSONATION. SO WE'LL SAY THE CHIEF, I WAS ABLE TO, IF I WAS GOING TO SUBVERT THE SYSTEM, GET THE CHIEF'S ACCESS LINE AND GET HER PASSWORDS AND GO IN THERE. THE CRIMINAL IMPERSONATION COVERS THAT PORTION OF IT, WHICH IS ALSO A CLASS SIX FELONY. THERE ARE ALSO FEDERAL LAWS, WHICH I TALKED ABOUT A MINUTE AGO, BUT 18 USC, UH, 10 30 COMPUTER FRAUD AND ABUSE, WHICH IS A FELONY UNDER FEDERAL LAW. AND YOU CAN ALSO DO PRISON TIME FOR THAT ACCESS CONTROL [00:25:01] AND SYSTEMS AUTHORIZED USERS WITH INDIVIDUAL SECURE LOGINS. SO THIS IS NOT JUST ONE LOGIN FOR THE ENTIRE POLICE DEPARTMENT. EACH INDIVIDUAL USER HAS THEIR OWN ACCESS, IDENTIFICATION AND PASSWORD. ALL ACCESS ACTIVITY IS LOGGED, SO IT'S LOGGED JUST IN THE DATABASE LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IS. SO WE CAN GO BACK AND WE CAN DO AN AUDIT IF WE NEED TO. WE CAN LOOK AT IT AT ANY POINT IN TIME AND SEE WHO'S USING IT AND WHEN THEY'RE USING IT. WE ALSO HAVE A, UH, POLICY IN PLACE FOR MANDATORY DOCUMENTATION. SO IF I'M GONNA USE THE A LPR AND I'M GONNA PUT SOMETHING IN THE HOT LIST TO HAVE IT RUN, I HAVE TO PUT THE REPORT NUMBER, I HAVE TO PUT THE REASON, SO I HAVE TO PUT 25 BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. AND THE, YOU KNOW, ROBBERY SUSPECT OR ROBBERY INVESTIGATIVE LEAD, I HAVE TO ADD THAT TO IT. IF YOU DIDN'T ADD THAT TO IT, THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE A RED FLAG. PART OF THE AUDIT PROCESS IS ALSO CHECKING TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY IS PUTTING A DR NUMBER IN THERE AND THAT DR NUMBER ACTUALLY MATCHES SOMETHING WE WOULD USE IT FOR AND TO MAKE SURE IT'S LOGGED INTO THAT REPORT. AND THEN DATA SHARING LIMITED TO VERIFY LAW ENFORCEMENT EMPLOYEES AND PROSECUTORS. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT. UM, IT WOULD ONLY BE FOR USE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO HAVE ALL THAT OTHER BACKGROUND AND THE FINGERPRINT IN THAT AUDITING AND COMPLIANCE QUARTERLY A LPR AUDITS TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH POLICIES. UH, UM, THE FLOCK REPRESENTATIVE, I WAS GONNA HAVE HIM GO INTO THE, INTO THE, UH, HE'S HERE. HE'S HERE. SO YOU'RE TREVOR, RIGHT? YES. CAN YOU JUST HAVE HIM INTRODUCE HIMSELF AND TREVOR, GIVE HIS HELLO, COUNSEL, I'M TREVOR CHANDLER. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS FOR FLOCK. SO WHEN WE GET THROUGH TO HIS SECTION, I'LL ALLOW HIM TO GO THROUGH THE AUDIT AND THE AUDIT PROCESS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON THEIR SYSTEM. UM, SO YOU CAN HEAR IT DIRECTLY FROM, FROM THEM ABOUT HOW IT, WHAT IT SHOWS AND, AND HOW WE CAN CHECK IT AND SUCH. UH, WE'LL REVIEW USER LOGS, DATA RETENTION AND SHARING AND VIOLATIONS DOCUMENTED IN INDIVIDUAL'S DISCIPLINE ACCORDING UP TO AND INCLUDING TERMINATION AND CRIMINAL PROSECUTION. SO DURING OUR AUDITS, IF WE WERE TO FIND THIS, OBVIOUSLY WE'D BE AN INTERNAL, WE WOULD OPEN AN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION. IF NEFARIOUS ACTION WAS FOUND, WE WOULD TAKE DISCIPLINARY ACTION AND UP DETERMINATION OR CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, UM, WHICH WOULD INCORPORATE FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS BECAUSE IT'S A FELONY. SO IT WOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THEM FOR REVIEW. A LPR TRAINING REQUIREMENTS, INITIAL AND PERIODIC REFRESHER TRAINING IS REQUIRED. SO EVERY YEAR WE WOULD DO A REFRESHER. WE WOULD DO ANY UPDATES ON CURRENT A LPR. UM, LAWS AND SUCH TRAINING SHALL COVER SYSTEM, OPERATION LAWS, CASE LAW, AND POLICY, AND ONLY TRAIN PERSONNEL ARE AUTHORIZED TO ACCESS A LPR SYSTEMS. AGAIN, WE STATED THAT EARLIER. QUESTIONS AND COMMUNITY CONCERNS FLOCK. A LPR IS NOT A MASS SURVEILLANCE TOOL, IS A FOCUSED OBJECTIVE INVESTIGATIVE ASSET GOVERNED BY STRICT DATA RETENTION POLICIES AND TRANS TRANSPARENCY PROTOCOLS. IT ENHANCES PUBLIC SAFETY. WITHOUT COMPROMISING COMMUNITY PRIVACY UNDER SUPREME COURT PRECEDENT, YOU DO NOT HAVE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY IN MOVEMENT ON PUBLIC ROAD, UH, ROADWAYS. THIS CASE LAW IS UNITED STATES V KNOTS. YOU, YOU CAN READ IT AGAIN. I'M SURE YOU'VE, YOU'VE PROBABLY CHECKED IT ALREADY, BUT THEIR QUOTE WAS, A PERSON TRAVELING IN AN AUTOMOBILE ON PUBLIC THOROUGHFARE HAS NO REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY IN HIS MOVEMENT FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER. AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UM, KURT HAS ANOTHER CASE LAW THAT IF YOU, IF YOU NEEDED ONE THAT HAS RE THAT RELATES TO THE PRIVACY ON ROADWAYS, PRIVACY AND CIVIL LIBERTIES ARE VALID CONCERNS. THEY ABSOLUTELY ARE. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE PROTOCOLS IN PLACE AND WE'VE, WE'VE ADDED THEM TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE AS MUCH AS THIS AS POSSIBLE. IN FACT, WE ACTUALLY WENT A STEP ABOVE FOR THE HOT LIST AND OUR POLICY HOT LIST ENTRIES CANNOT BE MADE WITHOUT A SUPERVISOR APPROVAL. SO AN OFFICER CAN'T JUST SAY, I WANT TO CHECK THIS PLATE TO SEE. I CAN'T JUST PUT IT IN THERE. SO IT PINGS. A SUPERVISOR HAS TO REVIEW IT AND SAY, YES, THAT IS A VALID REASON TO PUT IT IN THE SYSTEM AS A HOT LIST ALERT, USE POLICIES MUST ENSURE APPROPRIATE ACCESS AND RETENTION. COURTS AND STATES CONTINUE TO DEFINE LEGAL BOUNDARIES. AND COMMUNITY DIALOGUE IS ESSENTIAL TO IM IMPLEMENTATION. AND WITH THAT, I WILL PASS IT ON TO MR. CHANDLER. UM, MAYBE TO GO OVER FROM HIS SIDE WHAT THE A LPR CAPTURES, SO YOU'RE NOT HEARING IT JUST FROM ME. TECHNICAL AND POLICY QUESTIONS AND CLARIFY DATA AND PRIVACY SECURITY STANDARDS. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I THINK HERE IS THAT WHERE FLOCK WAS DEVELOPED FROM FLOCK WAS NOT DEVELOPED FROM A GOVERNMENT SOURCE NECESSARILY. [00:30:01] IT WAS DEVELOPED FROM A CIVILIAN SIDE OF THE HOUSE. AND THAT'S WHY THEY BELIEVE 30 DAYS IS IMPORTANT TO THEM, 30 DAY RETENTION. SO I'LL LET MR. CHANDLER GO INTO THAT. AWESOME. UH, THANK YOU COUNSEL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. UH, SEDONA IS ACTUALLY VERY CLOSE TO MY HEART. MY AUNT PAM AND UNCLE BILL LIVED HERE FOR DECADES. MY FATHER AND MY STEPMOTHER GOT MARRIED HERE. UM, AND SO I'M JUST VERY PRIVILEGED, UH, AND HONORED THAT I CAN SPEAK BEFORE YOU, UH, A COUPLE OF ITEMS AND I'M HAPPY TO GO AS DEEP INTO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT, ANY ISSUES. UH, YOU MIGHT HAVE, UH, A COUPLE OF MISCONCEPTIONS THAT MIGHT BE OUT THERE AS WELL AS SOME OF THE BASICS. UH, NOT TO REPEAT ANYTHING, UH, THAT WAS ALREADY SAID. FIRST THINGS FIRST IS, SEDONA OWNS ALL OF YOUR DATA. FLOCK DOES NOT OWN IT. FLOCK DOES NOT SELL DATA. WE ARE NOT A DATA BROKERAGE. OUR BUSINESS MODEL IS NOT BASED ON WHAT YOU MAY HEAR, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA DOES, UH, OUR SERVICE AND THE WAY, UH, WE WORK IS THAT WE CHARGE FOR THE CAMERAS, AND THAT'S HOW WE DO IT. WE WILL NEVER SELL YOUR DATA. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE DO. UM, IT'LL NEVER BE SELL SOLD TO PRIVATE THIRD PARTIES. PERIOD, UH, ACCESS TO, UH, FLOCK'S PRIVATE CUSTOMER, SOME FLOCK. UH, RETAIL CUSTOMERS, UH, HAVE PRIVATE CAMERAS. OUR PRIVATE CUSTOMERS NEVER HAVE ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT DATA. PERIOD. UH, THEY CAN CHOOSE TO SHARE WITH A LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY. SO IF YOU HAVE A LOWE'S OR A HOME DEPOT OR ANOTHER, UM, COMPANY HERE THAT MIGHT HAVE FLOCK CAMERAS, THEY CAN CHOOSE TO ALLOW YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, TO, UM, ACCESS THOSE CAMERAS FOR THOSE, UH, HOT LIST HITS THAT YOU HEARD. BUT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD A PRIVATE CUSTOMER EVER HAVE ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT DATA. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE. UH, AS YOU NOTE, YOU HAVE A RETENTION POLICY OF 30 DAYS. THIS IS THE, THE OVERWHELMING NATIONAL AVERAGE. UH, YOU HAVE SOME CITIES LIKE LOS ANGELES THAT CHOOSE TO KEEP IT FOR FIVE YEARS, WHICH IS THEIR CHOICE. UM, WE, UH, ADVISE GENERALLY THAT 30 DAYS BASED IS BEST PRACTICE FOR INVESTIGATION PURPOSES AND BALANCING, UH, PRIVACY AND PUBLIC SAFETY. IN KEEPING THAT BALANCE, UH, UM, YOU MAY HEAR THAT THERE IS A LONGER RETENTION PERIOD. UH, THERE IS A SECTION OF THE CONTRACT THAT ALLOWS FOR IMPROVEMENT FOR OUR SYSTEMS TO MAIN MAKE SURE THEY REMAIN AS ACCURATE AS THEY ARE IN THAT INSTANCE. UH, A IMAGE WITHOUT ANY LOCATION DATA IS USED TO SAY, IF A THREE IS GETTING MISTAKEN AS AN E, OUR UH, PROGRAMMERS WILL CHOOSE A PICTURE OF THAT SORT OF LICENSE PLATE. OR IF A A, IF A FORD TRUCK IS BEING CONFUSED WITH A CHEVY TRUCK OR SOMETHING TO THAT, UH, WE WILL NOTE THAT IN THE SYSTEM AND A SINGLE IMAGE WILL BE TAKEN TO HELP THE MACHINE LEARNING. MAKE SURE THAT DIFFERENTIATES THAT IS, IS KEPT BECAUSE MACHINE LEARNING NEEDS TO, BUT THERE IS NO LOCATION DATA. THERE IS NO AGENCY DATA. IT IS USED SPECIFICALLY FOR, UM, IMPROVING THE PRODUCT. AND SO IF YOU HEAR CONCERNS ABOUT, WELL, THERE IS THIS ONE SECTION OF THE CONTRACT WHERE IT SAYS YOU CAN HOLD ONTO OUR DATA INDEFINITELY. UH, THAT IS UNDER A VERY SPECIFIC PURPOSE TO HELP MACHINE LEARNING. NO LOCATION DATA, UH, NO METADATA, UH, NO IDENTIFYING FEATURES OF THAT IMAGE ARE INCLUDED EXCEPT FOR THE IMAGE TO IMPROVE THE MACHINE LEARNING. SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE. UM, IT WAS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE, FLOCK DOESN'T WILL NEVER MAKE A DECISION TO SHARE YOUR DATA WITH ANYONE ELSE. YOUR AGENCY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN CHOOSE IF THERE IS, IF THEY WANT TO SHARE WITH ANOTHER AGENCY OR IF THEY WANT TO PART. SOME OF OUR, UH, CUSTOMERS CHOOSE TO OPT INTO NATIONAL LOOKUP SO THEY CAN BE A PART OF A NATIONAL NETWORK IF THEY SO CHOOSE. UH, YOUR AGENCY, I DON'T BELIEVE HAS NATIONAL LOOKUP ENABLED. UM, AND SO YOU GET TO CHOOSE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, WHICH OTHER COMMUNITIES, WHICH OTHER AGENCIES YOU CHOOSE TO SHARE WITH. SO FLOCK WILL NEVER MAKE THAT DECISION ON YOUR COMMUNITY'S BEHALF. SO IF, FOR INSTANCE, YOU WANTED TO KEEP IT ONLY TO SEDONA, YOU ALL COULD CHOOSE TO DO THAT. OR IF YOU WANNA ONLY KEEP IT WITHIN ARIZONA, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO KEEP IT WITHIN ARIZONA UNDER THOSE STRICT LIMITATIONS. IT'S VERY, IT'S JUST VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE FLOCK DOES NOT MAKE THE DECISION TO SHARE AND FLOCK WILL NEVER SELL YOUR COMMUNITY'S DATA. UM, AND AS WAS NOTED, WE DON'T HAVE FACIAL RECOGNITION. UM, AND REGARD REGARDING THE ENCRYPTION. TO GO A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC ON THAT, UH, WE ABIDE BY THE STRONGEST AND CONTINUALLY INNOVATING ON HOW TO TOUCH UPON THIS, UH, GET EVEN STRONGER ENCRYPTION PROTECTIONS. WE ARE SGES CERTIFIED. THAT'S THE FBI'S CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION CERTIFICATION. UH, WE, ALL OF THE DATA WITHIN YOUR, UH, OF YOUR DATA IS SECURED IN THE AWS GOV CLOUD. THIS IS THE SAME, UH, CLOUD THAT IS USED BY MANY LOCALITIES, MANY CITY GOVERNMENTS. MANY STATE GOVERNMENTS USE A-D-A-W-S GOV CLOUD. ALL THE DATA IS ENCRYPTED BOTH IN TRANSIT AND AT REST. THERE IS NO POINT, UH, AT ANY POINT WHEN AN IMAGE IS NOT ENCRYPTED, UH, EVEN WHEN IT IS IN THE CAMERA. AND THEN WHEN IT'S TRANSMITTED, IT IS ALWAYS ENCRYPTED TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF STANDARDS. UM, AND SO WE'RE ALSO SOC TWO, TYPE TWO, UM, NDAA, NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT CERTIFIED, UM, OR HIPAA FERPA, UM, AS WELL AS ALIGNED WITH THE NIST CYBERSECURITY, UH, PROTOCOLS. [00:35:01] UM, AND IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE AS, AS IN REGARDS TO AUDITING. UH, WHILE THE DATA, YOUR, YOUR IMAGES ARE DELETED AFTER 30 DAYS, YOUR AUDIT LOGS ARE PERMANENT. SO IF YOU EVER WANT TO GO BACK FROM THE VERY BEGINNING TO WHEN YOU STARTED USING IT, UH, WE WILL PROVIDE THOSE AUDIT LOGS FOR YOU. UH, WE ARE, THIS SYSTEM WAS BUILT AND CONTINUING TO BE IMPROVED WITH TRANSPARENCY FEATURES, UM, UH, WITH THE SEARCH NUMBERS, THE REASONS THAT WERE INCLUDED. WE ALSO PROVIDE THE FREE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, UM, THAT IS BEING UTILIZED TO SHOW YOUR COMMUNITY HOW THESE CAMERAS ARE BEING USED AND WHO IT'S BEING SHARED WITH. UM, AND WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU ALL, UM, HERE IN SEDONA, YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS SOME OF THE BEST IN CLASS AS IT RELATES TO ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY, FEATURES ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT FLOCK ALREADY PROVIDES. AND SO THESE ARE ALL VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE. UM, AND AS WAS MENTIONED, UM, YOU MAY HEAR, OBVIOUSLY ABOUT COURT CASES THAT ARE, UH, OR A SINGLE COURT CASE. UH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE AS IT RELATES TO THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF LICENSE PLATE READERS. UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A SINGLE COURT, ALMOST UNANIMOUSLY FEDERAL STATE CIRCUIT COURTS HAVE UPHELD THE USAGE OF LICENSE PLATE READERS. THERE IS A CASE ONGOING IN NORFOLK, VIRGINIA, AND, UM, AS WITH ANY, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY TECHNOLOGY THAT IS USED IN CRIMINAL CASES, DEFENSE ATTORNEYS ARE ENTITLED TO THE MOST ROBUST DEFENSE THEY CAN POSSIBLY PROVIDE. AND SO, IF THAT, IF SOME OF THE, UH, EVIDENCE BEING USED IS USED ON A CAMERA, THEY MAY TRY TO CHALLENGE THIS. UM, THERE'S ONLY ONE COURT CASE, UH, CURRENTLY GOING ON IN VIRGINIA. IT'S BASED ON THE BELL DECISION. UH, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT IN VIRGINIA, SINCE THE BELL DECISION, WHICH LED TO THE NORFOLK DECISION, HAPPY TO GO INTO EACH OF THESE COURT CASES INDIVIDUALLY, HOWEVER DEEP YOU WANT TO GO. UM, UH, THAT SINCE THAT SINGLE BELL DECISION IN VIRGINIA, UH, SIX JUDGES IN VIRGINIA FIVE TRIAL AND ONE FEDERAL COURT HAVE ALL UPHELD LPR. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT LICENSE PLATES ARE A GOVERNMENT ISSUED DOCUMENT MEANT FOR PUBLIC DISPLAY FOR CARS TO BE, FOR CARS THAT ARE BEING DRIVEN ON PUBLIC ROADWAYS. UH, AND THE CON FROM THE SUPREME COURT ON DOWN FROM C UH, THE CARPENTER CASE, THE CASE THAT WAS CITED HERE HAVE CITED THAT THE EXTERIOR OF VEHICLES, UM, AND THE POINT IN TIME PICTURES THAT THESE CAMERAS TAKE, THEY DO CANNOT TRACK YOUR MOVEMENTS EVERYWHERE. UM, THAT IT IS, UH, FULLY, UH, FULLY LEGAL UNDER THE FOURTH AMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION. UH, AND SO AGAIN, I CAN, I CAN GO VERY MUCH, UH, INTO, UH, AS MUCH DEPTH AS YOU WANT IN EVERYTHING. BUT, UH, CLOSE OUT ON JUST ONE LAST POINT, UM, THAT WAS MADE IS THAT THIS IS NOT MASS SURVEILLANCE. THIS IS ABOUT PRIORITY. INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR A, IF YOU HAVE, AS WAS MENTIONED, A WHITE CAMRY, UH, BEFORE FLOCK, EVERY SINGLE WHITE CAMRY, UH, THAT IS BEING DRIVEN IN SEDONA IS AUTOMATICALLY A SUSPECT WITH FLOCK. YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THE WHITE CAMRY. WHAT THIS DOES IS ALLOW YOUR OFFICERS TO HAVE AN INVESTIGATIONS QUICKER WITHOUT HAVING NEGATIVE POLICE CIVILIAN, UH, INTERACTIONS BY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PULLING SOMEONE OVER BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MAY BE THE SUSPECT OR IT LOOKS LIKE THE CAR MIGHT BE THE ONE THAT INVOLVED. WHAT THIS TECHNOLOGY ALLOWS IS PRECISION POLICING THAT ALLOWS YOUR OFFICERS TO HAVE AS MINIMAL NEGATIVE INTERACTIONS WITH YOUR, UH, CITIZENS. AND IT ALLOWS THEM TO FOCUS ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY SUSPECTS. AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. THIS IS NOT TRACK EVERY ONE SINGLE MOVEMENT. THESE ARE POINT IN TIME PICTURES OF VEHICLES, NOT PEOPLE. UH, AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THE SUCCESSES, UH, TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE SUCCESSES THAT YOUR REGIONAL DEPARTMENTS HAVE HAD HERE. UM, AND AGAIN, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. UM, AND AGAIN, JUST THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING ABLE TO TALK TO YOU TODAY. SO I'LL COMPLETE THE, UH, PRESENTATION AND THEN WE CAN GO INTO QUESTIONS AND, AND, AND SUCH. UM, SO THE, SO, SO THEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS COMMITTED TO TRANSPARENCY REGARDING ITS USE OF A LPR TECHNOLOGY. THE DEPARTMENT WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROGRAM THROUGH PUBLIC CHANNELS, INCLUDING THE CITY WEBSITE. A LPR SYSTEMS ARE A STANDARD TOOL IN MODERN LAW ENFORCEMENT CURRENTLY USED BY AGENCIES THROUGHOUT THE REGION, STATE AND NATION. THEIR DEPLOYMENT IN SEDONA IS CONSISTENT WITH RECOGNIZED BEST PRACTICES, PRACTICES AND ATTENDED SOLELY TO SUPPORT PUBLIC SAFETY EFFORTS WHILE MAINTAINING RESPECT FOR CIVIL LIBERTIES AND INDIVIDUAL PRIVACY. WITH THAT, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY. ANYBODY WISH TO START OFF, DEREK? SO THE CAMERAS ARE NOT RUNNING RIGHT NOW, CORRECT? THEY ARE. I'M THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS ACCESS TO 'EM. NOBODY ELSE HAS ACCESS TO 'EM. THEY ALREADY ARE COLLECTING IT BECAUSE ONCE THEY WENT UP, THEY'RE ON, I'M THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS ACCESS TO 'EM. OKAY. WHEN YOU, YOU SAID THAT YOU COULD PUT A VEHICLE IN [00:40:01] WITHOUT A PLATE, SO YOU KNOW, SAY YOU GET A, THE ONLY DESCRIPTION YOU HAVE IS A WHITE CAR WITH A DAMAGED BUMPER. IS THAT, AND YOU ENTER, ARE YOU GONNA ENTER JUST THAT INTO THE SYSTEM? SO ARE WE, YOU GONNA GET HITS FOR EVERY TIME A WHITE CAR WITH A DAMAGED BUMPER DRIVES ONE OF THE CAMERA BY ONE OF THE CAMERAS? HOW DOES THAT, UH, NO. SO THAT WOULDN'T BE FOR THE HOT LIST. THAT WOULD BE FOR AN INVESTIGATORY TOOL. UM, IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN WHO RUNS THE NATION'S AMBER ALERT SYSTEM, HAS FULLY ENDORSED AND SUPPORTED FLOCK. UM, IS BECAUSE IF YOU ARE IN A HIT AND RUN, OR YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO WAS ABDUCTED, DIDN'T LOOK AT THE PLATE, UM, AS WAS MENTIONED BY, UH, BY YOUR, YOUR, UH, AGENCY, UM, WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO IS ENTER THAT INTO THE SEARCH. YOU CAN'T PUT A, UH, A BUMPER DENT INTO A HOT LIST, BUT YOU CAN PUT IT INTO THE SEARCH TO SEE, OKAY, WE, WE HEARD THAT THERE WAS A, UH, WHITE PICKUP WITH A DENTED BUMPER, UH, THAT TOOK THIS CHILD AND THEY WERE IN THIS GENERAL VICINITY. WE CAN CHECK THESE GENERAL CAMERAS TO SEE IF A VEHICLE MATCHING THAT DESCRIPTION, UH, FIT THAT DESCRIPTION AND USE THAT AS AN INVESTIGATORY LEAD. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT GONNA THROW UP A RED FLAG THAT SOMEBODY CAN GO AND YEAH, YOU WOULDN'T GET A HOT LIST ALERT THAT THE A A A WHITE TRUCK WITH A BUMPER, YOU WOULD NEED AN ACTUAL, FOR THE HOT LIST, YOU WOULD NEED AN ACTUAL LICENSE PLATE NUMBER FOR THE HOT LIST. OKAY. SO NO LICENSE PLATE, NO HOT LIST. YEAH. OKAY. BUT YOU CAN USE IT FOR AN INVE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEARCH FOR IT IN THE SYSTEM AS AN INVESTIGATORY TOOL. OKAY. WITH WITH DATA THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE. YES. AND THIS MAY BE DIRECTION YOU EXPECT TO RECEIVE FROM US, BUT WHAT, WHAT AGENCIES ARE YOU PLANNING ON SHARING WITH? SO AS OF NOW, WE WERE MOSTLY GONNA SHARE WITHIN THE VERDE VALLEY, UM, JAVA PINE COCONINO COUNTY, UNLESS SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY REACHED OUT TO US, UM, AND GAVE US A REASON WHY THEY WERE NEEDING POTENTIALLY SOME INFORMATION FROM US ON A CASE BY CASE. WE DIDN'T REALLY PUT A RADIUS TO IT AS FAR AS DISTANCE, BUT MORE SO OF OUR, UM, NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES THAT MOST LIKELY INFORMATION WOULD BE NEEDED FROM AS PEOPLE COMMUTE AROUND. SO YAVAPAI, COCONINO COUNTY, UM, AND THE AGENCIES WITHIN THOSE JURISDICTIONS. OKAY. IN TERMS OF HOW INFORMATION IS SHARED, SO WE CAN JUST SHARE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC AGENCIES. UM, IF THEY THEN HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH ANOTHER AGENCY THAT'S NOT IN OUR GROUP, CAN THAT INFORMATION BE SHARED WITH THEM? UH, NO. THERE ISN'T A DAISY CHAIN EFFECT. OKAY. SO, YEAH, SO NO. I MEAN, I REALIZE YOU CAN'T STOP SOMEBODY FROM PRINTING SOMETHING OUT AND HANDING IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT SO THEY CAN'T JUST OH, FORWARD IT TO, YEAH. THERE, THERE WOULDN'T BE A, THAT DAISY CHAIN EFFECT OF SHARED OR SHARED A SHARE. OKAY. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHO WOULD BE THE BEST TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT, UM, THERE'S A CERTAIN FEDERAL AGENCY THAT'S BEEN GETTING A LOT OF ATTENTION LATELY. UH, Y PI COUNTY HAS SOME RELATIONSHIP I UNDERSTAND WITH THEM. UH, AND SOME OF THE MESSAGES THAT I'VE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE BEEN CONCERNED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT, I'LL JUST SAY IT, BEEN SPECIFICALLY CONCERNED ABOUT ICE. UM, CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAIN WHAT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN YAVAPAI COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND ICE IS? YOU HAVE IT. UM, SO THAT'S GONNA BE HARD FOR ME TO ANSWER BASED ON ANOTHER AGENCY'S CONNECTION AS FAR AS FAR AS ICE HAVING ANY CONNECTION TO ANY AGENCY IS THAT IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITHIN THE JURISDICTION THAT FEDERAL AGENCY REACHES OUT TO US, AS YOU MIGHT REMEMBER FROM A MONTH AGO, THAT THERE WAS A DETAIL GOING ON WITHIN YAVAPAI COUNTY, THEY REACHED OUT. SO WE WERE AWARE THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DETAIL. UM, WE HAD ONE LOCATION IN OUR JURISDICTION. THERE WAS ONE OUT IN THE, THERE WERE TWO IN THE VILLAGE, AND THEN THERE WERE SOME IN PRESCOTT AND PRESCOTT VALLEY. SO WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT THEY HAD A DETAIL THAT THEY WOULD BE, UM, PUTTING ON TWO, BASICALLY APPREHEND, TWO SUSPECTS THAT HAD, WHAT, WHAT WAS IT THAT THEY ENDED UP SAYING IT WAS FOR, UM, MONEY LAUNDERING, UH, HUMAN TRAFFICKING, LABOR, LABOR TRAFFICKING. AND SO IF, IF THAT AGENCY HAD REACHED OUT TO US TO SEE IF THOSE TWO SUSPECTS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR, UM, THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THEN AT THAT POINT THEY COULD HAVE REACHED OUT TO US AND WE COULD HAVE GIVEN THEM INFORMATION IF THAT'S WHAT WE CHOSE TO DO. THEY COULD HAVE ALSO REACHED OUT TO YAVAPI COUNTY AND THEY WOULD'VE LOOKED AT THEIR FLOCK CAMERAS AND GIVEN THAT, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO EACH AGENCY AND ASK FOR THAT INFORMATION. SO WITH US SHARING WITH YAVAPI COUNTY, THAT WOULD BE YAVAPI COUNTY COULD, COULD LOOK AT OUR CAMERAS IF THAT'S WHAT WE OPENED UP, BUT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO THEN GIVE INFORMATION BASED ON OUR CAMERAS TO AN OUTSIDE AGENCY. THAT AGENCY SHOULD ASK US FOR OUR CAMERA INFORMATION. IS THAT HELPFUL? I'M TRYING TO, YEAH. A LITTLE BIT. I, UH, ANNETTE, YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS FINISH. YEP, GO AHEAD. FINISH. UH, [00:45:01] YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY. UM, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST THOUGHT THAT YOU HAVE A PI COUNTY WAS WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH ICE TO, TO POOR PEOPLE. AND I ASK YOU, YEAH, THANK YOU COUNSELOR FAF. UM, AND MAYBE THIS WILL HELP. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT BECAUSE YAVAPAI COUNTY RUNS THE JAIL, THEIR OFFICERS ARE TRAINED TO CHECK, UM, IMMIGRATION STATUS. AND THAT IS THE, UM, PLACE WHERE UPON BOOKING WHERE THERE MAY BE SOME INTERACTION WITH ICE. BUT I DON'T THINK ICE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEIR OPERATIONS AS AN INVESTIGATIVE ENTITY. I THINK IT, BUT YOU GUYS IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT WORLD CAN CORRECT ME, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IS THE CONNECTION IS AT THE JAIL AT THE TIME OF BOOKEND WHEN THEY'RE CHECKING, UM, IMMIGRATION STATUS. YEAH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY CURRENT STANDARD THROUGHOUT, UM, COUNTY JAILS, IS THAT THEY HAVE WHAT THEY CALL THE TWO EIGHTY SEVEN G PROGRAM AND EVERYBODY WHO COMES INTO THE JAIL IS RUN THROUGH IT. UM, AND, AND THROUGH THAT. BUT THEY DON'T, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY DON'T HAVE OFFICERS OUT DOING ANY OPERATIONAL STUFF. I HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS, BUT KATHY SOUNDED LIKE SHE HAD SOMETHING BRIAN DOES. BRIAN HAS FIRST AND KATHY ON THE SAME QUESTIONS. LET'S COVER THAT. YEAH. IT'S ON THIS MATTER OF THE DAISY CHAIN OF INFORMATION BEING PASSED ON, I BELIEVE YOU SAID, NOT SUPPOSED TO, I BELIEVE YOU SAID LIKE YAVAPI NOT SUPPOSED TO SHARE WITH A FEDERAL AGENCY SUPPOSED BEING THE OPERATIONAL WORD HERE, HOW DO YOU ENSURE THAT THAT IS IN FACT THE WAY IT'S DONE? WHAT, WHAT SECURITY IS THERE ACTUALLY, BEYOND WRITING SOME WORDS ON A PAGE AND CALLING IT A POLICY AND SAYING, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GIVE THIS TO ANOTHER AGENCY IN A JAY-Z CHAINED FASHION. CAN YOU SPEAK TO HOW, HOW CAN YOU ABSOLUTELY BE SURE THAT SEDONA INFORMATION DOESN'T DAISY CHAIN TO YAVAPAI COUNTY AND ONTO ANOTHER FEDERAL OR STATE AGENCY? GUYS? GIMME OR THE CHIEF, I'M LOOKING AT YOU, SIR. OKAY. NO, IT'S MR. CHANDLER, RIGHT? YES. CHANDLER, THANK YOU FOR COMING BY THE WAY. NO, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S, SO AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE THE AUDITING, UH, AND TRANSPARENCY FEATURES COME IN. YOU ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE HOW YOUR SYSTEM IS BEING USED, AND IF THERE IS AN AGENCY THAT IS NOT UTILIZING IT ACCORDING TO YOUR COMMUNITY'S VALUES, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CUT OFF THAT ACCESS TO THAT AGENCY. ISN'T THAT A LITTLE TOO LATE AT THAT POINT? ? WELL, THAT, AGAIN, FLOCK, FLOCK DOES NOT MAKE THESE DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF COMMUNITIES, RIGHT? WE GIVE YOU THE TOOLS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR COMMUNITY SAFETY NEVER HAS TO COME AT THE EXPENSE OF COMMUNITY VALUES. SO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO SHARE WITH THE COUNTER, IF YOU DON'T WANNA SHARE WITH THE COUNTY OUT OF THOSE CONCERNS. UH, AND WE HAVE THE TOOLS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. AND WE'VE ALSO CREATED THE AUDITING TOOLS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE YOU ARE SHARING WITH, IF THEY DO DECIDE TO USE IT IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH YOUR COMMUNITY VALUES, THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO IMMEDIATELY, UH, RESCIND ACCESS TO THEM. WHY WAIT UNTIL IT'S, UNTIL THE TRUST HAS BEEN VIOLATED? WHY, WHY IS IT AN AUDITABLE MATTER AS OPPOSED TO A CAN'T HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE MATTER OF THE TECHNOLOGY, THE PROGRAMMING ITSELF. AND, AND THAT'S IN REGARDS TO YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT'S RELATIONSHIP WITH OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. AND SO, AGAIN, IF YOU AS A COMMUNITY DECIDE THAT'S TOO BIG OF A RISK, IT'S COMPLETELY WITHIN YOUR RIGHT TO JUST NOT HAVE THAT RISK THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND YOU CAN HAVE IT JUST FOR SEDONA. YOU CAN, YOU CAN TAILOR YOUR SHARING HOWEVER YOU WANT. OKAY. BUT COMMANDER, YOU'VE ALREADY SHARED OR CHIEF, UH, THAT THE INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE SHARED WITHIN THE MUNICIPALITIES AS WELL AS THE COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENTS FOR YAVAPI AND COCONINO. SO IF THAT WERE TO BE THE CASE THEN FROM AN AUDIT PERSPECTIVE, WHAT HAPPENS? DO YOU GET AN AUTOMATED EMAIL THAT SAYS, HEY, THIS JUST GOT DAISY CHAINED? OR DO YOU HAVE TO MANUALLY EVERY, WHENEVER YOU FEEL LIKE IT, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE FLIPPANT BY THE WAY, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE IT TO SAY, HEY, I'M GONNA RUN THE AUDIT PROGRAM RIGHT NOW AND SEE IF ANY OF THIS HAS BEEN DAISY CHAINED IN A WAY THAT WE DON'T APPROVE. ONE THING I CAN SAY, JUST FROM OUR PRODUCT END, 'CAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO IMPROVE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR OVERSIGHT BODIES AND FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. UH, IN THE COMING MONTHS, I KNOW I, MAYBE THIS QUARTER OR THE NEXT QUARTER, WE ARE GOING TO BE HAVING A AUTOMATIC AUDIT TOOL. SO IF THERE IS A SEARCH OF YOUR SYSTEM BY A, A, A AGENCY THAT IS BEING, THAT YOU ARE SHARING WITH, AND THERE IS A SEARCH THAT GOES AGAINST YOUR COMMUNITY'S VALUES AND YOU CAN TAILOR THAT, UH, YOUR AGENCY WOULD GET AN AUTOMATIC ALERT SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE AUDIT. SO THAT'S ANOTHER FEATURE. AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S AN IN THE MOMENT THING. UM, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER WAY THAT WE ARE CONTINUALLY TRYING TO INNOVATE TO MAKE SURE THAT OVERSIGHT BODIES AND YOUR AGENCIES [00:50:01] GET, DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL A QUARTERLY AUDIT. BUT AGAIN, THE, THE, THE OTHER QUESTIONS ARE, UH, OKAY, BUT IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN FLAG IT FOR AUDIT, THEN WHY CAN'T YOU JUST STOP IT BEFORE IT BECOMES AN AUDIT FINDING? WHY CAN'T THE TECHNOLOGY JUST DO THAT? WE'RE, WE'RE CONTINUALLY INNOVATING. AND I KNOW FOR STATES LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR CALIFORNIA AND, UH, COLORADO, UH, THAT HAVE STATEWIDE SANCTUARY LAWS, UH, WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED THAT VERY FEATURE WHERE, UH, THOSE SORTS OF SEARCHES WILL CREATE A RED FLAG THAT WILL ALERT THE ADMINISTRATOR. WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE THAT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, BUT WE DO HAVE IT FOR, AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR STATEWIDE, UM, SANCTUARY POLICIES. OKAY. COUNCILOR FOLTZ, IF I MIGHT JUST FOR A MOMENT, WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY DECISIONS AS FAR AS, UM, THE, THE CAMERAS ARE ON AS FAR AS THEY WERE INSTALLED. THEY WEREN'T, WE HAVE NOT USED THEM YET. WE HAVEN'T OPENED THEM TO ANYBODY. SO THESE DECISIONS CAN STILL BE MADE IF DIRECTIONS GIVEN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE SOME DIFFERENT OPINIONS THAT THE MAJORITY AGREE ON. MY SUGGESTION IS WE START WITH JUST OUR NEIGHBORING AGENCIES AS I, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED. AND WE USED A USE A TRIAL PERIOD SO THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THREE TO SIX MONTHS THAT WE CAN REALLY LOOK AT HOW THAT'S BEING UTILIZED WITH THE ADJACENT AGENCIES IN BOTH COUNTIES. UM, BUT DECISIONS HAVEN'T BEEN MADE. PEOPLE CAN'T LOOK AT OUR CAMERAS YET. WE'RE NOT GIVING ANY INFORMATION OUT. OFFICERS DON'T HAVE ACCESS RIGHT NOW SINCE THEY WERE INSTALLED. UM, COMMANDER DOWELL TO WHAT HE FIRST SAID, THEY ARE ON, BUT THEY'RE NOT BEING UTILIZED. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THAT INFORMATION. NOBODY ELSE IS USING IT. SO THIS IS WHERE AFTER THIS SESSION, WE ARE GONNA PUT FORTH HOW WE WANT OUR, OUR POLICY AND PROCEDURES TO GO. UM, AND IF CONCERNS ARE THAT ANOTHER COUNTY MIGHT GIVE THAT INFORMATION OUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT WITH LEGAL IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA GIVE TO PEOPLE AS THEY ASK FOR OUR INFORMATION, THAT THERE'S A SIGNED AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A CONTACT POINT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO REACH OUT, WE CAN, WE CAN DETERMINE MORE STRICT PROCEDURES IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. BUT I WOULD SAY WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO, UM, FIGURE OUT IN THE THREE TO SIX MONTHS WHO WE ACTUALLY WANT TO EVEN HAVE ACCESS TO IT. UM, AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO THAT'S WHERE WE WERE JUST STARTING WITH THAT IMMEDIATE AREA. AND I KNOW THROUGH MY RESEARCH THAT, ESPECIALLY IN CALIFORNIA BEFORE THEY SHARE INFORMATION, THEY HAVE, THEY DO A LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, SEDONA COTTONWOOD, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THIS AND YOU CAN ONLY USE IT OBVIOUSLY IN THIS WAY. 'CAUSE I SAW QUITE A FEW OF IT, QUITE A FEW OF THOSE AGREEMENTS FROM CALIFORNIA TO WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY SAID, HEY, YOU'RE ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT HERE AND YOU'LL USE IT PROPERLY. AND AGAIN, WE KNOW, WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT THAT SAYS, BUT IT IS ANOTHER DOCUMENT THAT SAYS WE'RE NOT JUST TURNING A BUTTON ON. IF YOU CHOSE TO, YOU COULD SAY NO, YOU'LL GO THROUGH THE LEGAL PROCESS AND THEY'LL SIGN A, A, A DOCUMENT ALLOWING FOR THAT. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR LETTING ME TAG ON COUNSELOR. YEAH. AND I HAVE TO TAG ON AND, UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA WANT TO TAG ON, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND MYSELF, UM, WHAT YOU WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH GIVING ACCESS, THAT DOESN'T STOP WHAT'S HAPPENED. I'VE GOT A WHOLE LIST AND YOU'VE MENTIONED A WHOLE LIST OF COTTONWOOD SHARING INFORMATION. YOU HAVE A RED CHEVY COMING TO SEDONA THAT CAN STILL GO ON. SO IF YOU SEE A, A CAR IS STOLEN FOR WHATEVER REASON, COMES INTO SEDONA, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMEWHERE IN SEDONA, YOU CAN'T FIND IT, BUT YOU THINK IT'S GOING TOWARD COT. BUT YOU CAN GET ON THE, THE PHONE OR CALL THE DISPATCH. YOU COULD SHARE INFORMATION THAT WAY, BUT THEY CAN'T SHARE YOUR THE CAMERAS. YEAH. YEAH. THE DIFFERENCE BEING IS WE SHARE BE ON THE LOOKOUTS FOR PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. SO IF COTTON WOULD'VE HAD INFORMATION THAT SAID, LIKE THE AGGRAVATED ASSAULT SUSPECT I COULD GIVE YOU, HEY, HE'S COMING TOWARDS YOU. DISPATCH CAN DO THAT IN A MATTER OF SECONDS AND JUST SAY, HEY, YEAH, THEY'RE COMING TOWARDS YOU. SO THAT COULD STILL GO ON. YES. AND YOU'RE NOT SHARING ANY DATA OTHER THAN YOUR SUSPECT'S COMING TOWARDS YOU. SO YOU'RE NOT SHARING ANY OF THE REST OF THAT. YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, SHARING THE PLATE AND, AND, AND SUCH. OKAY. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT, THAT CO-SHARING CAN STILL CONTINUE. UH, COUNSELOR. OKAY. THIS MIGHT BE VERY NAIVE QUESTION, SO I APOLOGIZE IF I'M NOT PUTTING IT IN THE RIGHT TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY OF THIS CONFUSES ME. 'CAUSE ISN'T THE POINT OF HAVING THIS TO SHARE INFORMATION. SO IF WE WERE PUTTING TOGETHER A LIST OF WE DON'T WANT IT HERE, WE DON'T WANT IT THERE, WE DON'T WANT TO SHARE THIS OR THAT, WHY WOULD WE HAVE IT IF WE'RE, WOULD PUT ALL THOSE HAMSTRINGS WELL ON THAT COUNCILOR, I, I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS. THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THIS IS NOT TO SHARE THE, THE, THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO ASSIST US WITH PUBLIC SAFETY. SO, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY IF THE DECISION WAS MADE, WE DON'T WANT YOU SHARING OUTSIDE THE CITY OF SEDONA. WE WOULD STILL HAVE THAT ABILITY INTERNALLY TO USE IT AS AN INVESTIGATIVE TOOL. SO IT TO UM, MR. CHANDLER'S [00:55:01] POINT, WE DON'T HAVE TO SHARE WITH ANYBODY. IT CAN ALL STAY IN HOUSE. HOWEVER, THERE ARE TIMES OBVIOUSLY WHEN IT WOULD BE MUCH SIMPLER IF COTTONWOOD SAID, HEY, I HAVE A ROBBERY SUSPECT. I'M WONDERING IF THEY'RE LIVING IN SEDONA. THEY COULD LOOK IT UP THEMSELVES RATHER THAN CALL US. THAT'S PURELY WHAT IT IS. IF, BUT THEY COULD ALSO DO THAT BY PICKING THE PHONE UP AND SAYING, HEY, CAN YOU SEARCH YOUR DATABASE? MUCH LIKE WE DO RIGHT NOW WITH COTTONWOOD RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO COTTONWOODS CAMERAS. WHEN WE ASK THEM FOR ACCESS, WE'RE CALLING THEM ON THE PHONE SAYING, HEY, CAN YOU LOOK THIS UP? THEY SAY, YEAH, THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE. AND, AND THEY, THEY PASS THAT INFORMATION ON, BUT THEY'RE NOT GIVING US ACCESS TO THE DATABASE. SO ESSENTIALLY THE DIFFERENCE IS US SAYING, YEAH, THAT PERSON'S IN OUR CITY, OR WE SAW THIS PERSON IN THE CITY ON THIS DAY COMPARATIVE TO, OH, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO RUN THINGS YOURSELVES. SO AGAIN, THE MR. CHANDLER'S POINT, IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO, IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO THE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY ON WHAT AND WHO GETS SHARED WITH. I'M ALSO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS TECHNOLOGY IS SIMILAR OR DIFFERENT FROM TECHNOLOGY WE USE IN OTHER WAYS SUCH AS GEOFENCING. SO YOU HAVE GEOFENCING, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEBODY'S BONE WITH AN OUTER AREA NUMBER COMES IN, RIGHT? MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE CARRYING PHONES, ARE THE POLICE ACCESSING THAT INFORMATION? AND IS THAT MORE HELPFUL, LESS HELPFUL? HOW DOES THAT COMPARE? AND YOU'VE GOT INFORMATION THAT'S TRACKING PEOPLE'S MOVEMENTS. WHY IS THIS NECESSARY TO TRACK MOVEMENTS OF VEHICLE MOVEMENTS? IN ADDITION TO THAT, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, COMPLEMENT OR CONTRADICT EACH OTHER. COUNSEL, WE, IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, THIS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO ANY PHONE GEO-FENCING OR ANY TYPE OF ACCESS LIKE THAT. NOW THAT EXISTS. UM, WHEN IT COMES TO INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSES, IF FOR SOME REASON, UM, WE WROTE A SEARCH WARRANT OR A SUBPOENA AND SAID, HEY, WHEN THIS PHONE PINGS OFF THIS TOWER, COULD YOU LET US KNOW IT'S PING OFF THE TOWER? BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE, THE CITY OF SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT HAVE ANY OTHER TECHNOLOGY THAT TRACKS PEOPLE COMING IN, IN OR OUT OF THE CITY IN ANY DEGREE. HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION OF INTEGRATING, BECAUSE THIS IS OFF THE TAGGING, SO WE GO BACK, IT'S OFF TAGGING. THE QUESTION THAT BRINGS IT BACK IS, IT'S THE DAISY CHAIN EFFECT THAT IS SUCH A CONCERN. AND AGAIN, TO MY POINT, I'M STILL SAYING IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE PUTTING ALL THESE, UM, HAMSTRINGS ON SHARING, THEN HOW IS IT, HOW IS IT HELPFUL? YOU SAID IT'S STILL HELPFUL TO YOU STAYING IN HOUSE. HOW WOULD IT BE HELPFUL? 'CAUSE IS IT GIVING YOU, IT'S NOT GIVING YOU ALL OF THE CAPABILITIES OF THE SYSTEM BECAUSE WE STILL COULD USE IT INTERNALLY FOR THAT ROBBERY SUSPECT. WE COULD STILL SEARCH OUR OWN STUFF TO GO EXTERNALLY. WELL, LET ME RETRACT. COTTONWOOD COULD STILL SAY, YEAH, YOU CAN LOOK AT OUR CAMERAS, BUT WE COULD SAY, COTTONWOOD, WE DON'T WANT YOU LOOKING AT OUR CAMERAS, SO YOU HAVE TO CALL US IF YOU WANT THE INFORMATION. BECAUSE IT GOES BOTH WAYS. YEAH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN GIVE ACCESS TO SOMEBODY OR YOU CAN SAY, NO, YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS. BUT THEY CAN GIVE ACCESS TO ANYBODY THEY WANT TO, OBVIOUSLY. AND SEDONA IS HIGHLY UNIQUE IN, FROM MOST COMMUNITIES IN, AS WAS NOTED, THE IMMENSE AMOUNT OF TOURISM THAT YOU HAVE HERE. OVER A MILLION PEOPLE THAT COME IN, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A CONVERSATION OF SHARING OR NOT SHARING. AGAIN, SOME CITIES CHOOSE TO NOT SHARE AT ALL. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT YOU'RE RAISING UP. HOW EFFECTIVE IS IT GONNA BE? UM, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, CRIME DOESN'T, UH, CRIMINALS DON'T LOOK AT BORDERS. THEY LOOK AT OPPORTUNITY. UH, BUT HERE IN SEDONA, WHEN YOU HAVE OVER A MILLION PEOPLE COMING IN, UH, EVERY YEAR, UH, THAT IS USE THAT, THAT'S VERY UNIQUE. SO IF YOU DID CHOOSE TO HAVE IT JUST IN, WITHIN SEDONA, UH, BECAUSE OF THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT COME INTO YOUR COMMUNITY, UH, FROM MY OPINION, FROM THE THE FLOCK SIDE, THERE IS STILL A VERY SIGNIFICANT USE CASE THAT'S SPECIFIC TO SEDONA THAT A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES DO NOT HAVE. AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD. SO IF, IF THERE WAS A VEHICLE THAT HAD A SILVER ALERT OR AN AMBER ALERT ON IT, AS SOON AS IT HITS ONE OF THOSE CAMERAS, THEN A NOTIFICATION WOULD GO OUT TO EVERYBODY THAT WAS ON SHIFT, THAT'S IN THEIR VEHICLES AND OUT AND ABOUT THAT WOULD SAY THAT THIS VEHICLE THAT HAD A SILVER OR AN AMBER ALERT JUST PASSED. AND IT WOULD SAY WHAT CAMERA? THAT WAY THEN THEY CAN BE ON THE LOOKOUT IN MORE REAL TIME THAN DELAYED TIME. KNOW WHERE THE CA WHERE THE CAR JUST PASSED AS IT PASSED, ANOTHER ONE, THE UPDATE WOULD COME IN. SO IT REALLY HELPS IN OUR SETTING UP A PERIMETER OR GETTING TO THE VEHICLE IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER TO THEN HELP THAT. SO [01:00:01] WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT SUSPECTS, BUT THIS ALSO HELPS MISSING PER PEOPLE. MM-HMM . UM, AND THAT'S WHAT IT DOES FOR JUST EVEN OUR COMMUNITY. WHETHER WE SHARE OR WE DON'T SHARE. UM, IT LETS US KNOW AS VEHICLES ENTER THAT ARE ON THESE LISTS THAT SOMETHING'S COME INTO TOWN THAT NEEDS TO ALERT US. VERSUS WHAT WE USED TO DO IS WE WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S, UM, A VEHICLE COMING AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A SILVER HONDA CIVIC, HERE'S THE PLATE NUMBER. AND NOW YOU JUST HAVE AN OFFICER THAT'S SITTING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD WAITING AND TRACKING IT AND LOOKING AND DEPENDING ON HOW CONGESTED THE TRAFFIC IS, WHICH I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE CONGESTION THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AND YOU'RE TRYING TO SEE IF THAT'S THE RIGHT CAR OR NOT. THESE CAMERAS ACTUALLY ASSIST MUCH FASTER IN LETTING US KNOW IF IT PASSED ONE OF THESE ENTRIES, WHICH IS WHY THE 11 CAMERAS THAT ARE OUT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE PUT IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAT HELP OUR ENTRY POINTS AND MAIN THOROUGHFARES THROUGH THE CITY. UM, THEY WEREN'T DESIGNED TO, TO BE IN ON CERTAIN ROADS TO, TO TRACK INDIVIDUALS. IT'S THE MAIN TRAVEL PASS THAT PEOPLE TAKE IN OUR TOWN WHERE IT HELPS FOR LIKE COTTONWOOD OR OTHER PLACES, IS THAT IF IT HITS THEIR SYSTEM IN COTTONWOOD, AND IT'S BETWEEN THE, UM, THE BIG CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE PASSED, UH, CORN ROAD IN 89 A SINCE THAT'S THE LAST ALERT POINT, WE WOULD GET THAT ALERT THAT IT JUST PASSED KNOWING IT'S COMING INTO OUR TOWN. THEN AS IT PASSED ONE OF OUR CAMERAS, THAT WOULD BE OUR NEXT UPDATE IF IT TURNED DOWN A DIFFERENT LOCATION. IT'S, IT'S SHORTENING OUR PERIMETER OF OUR SEARCH THAT WE HAVE TO, TO DO. SO WHEN WE USE THAT SUCCESS STORY OF THE SUICIDAL PERSON, WE JUST STARTED SENDING ALL THE OFFICERS OUT AND GOING UP AND DOWN ROADS UNTIL THEY FOUND THE PERSON THIS WOULD'VE TOLD US THAT IT PASSED THIS ENTRY POINT. IT PASSED THIS, IT DIDN'T PASS THIS, THAT, THAT SHORTENS OUR SEARCH, OUR SEARCH AREA. ALYSSA ON DEREK'S? IT WAS ON DEREK'S. OKAY. AS LONG AS IT'S ON DEREK'S. THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE BACK BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF GONE BEYOND DEREK'S QUESTION AT THIS POINT. BUT, UM, JUST TWO QUESTIONS REALLY. UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE SANCTUARY CITY POLICY SOFTWARE AND THAT THIS AT THE STATE LEVEL, THEY CAN SAY YOU CAN'T SHARE WITH ANY AGENCIES THAT AREN'T ON OUR APPROVED LIST, BASICALLY. UM, HOW HARD IS THAT TO IMPLEMENT ON ANY LEVEL, LET ALONE JUST, WHY IS IT SOUND LIKE IT'S SO DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT THAT ON A MUNICIPAL LEVEL? YOU KNOW, I, I, I CAN'T CLAIM TO BE AN ENGINEER. UH, SO I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC ANSWER TO THAT. I DO KNOW THAT, AGAIN, WE ARE, WE ARE CONSTANTLY INNOVATING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE THE TOOLS TO MAKE SURE COMMUNITY SAFETY DOESN'T HAVE TO COME AT THE EXPENSE OF COMMUNITY VALUES. SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT THAT THAT IS COMING, BUT I CANNOT AT THIS TIME MAKE THAT COMMITMENT. I KNOW THAT WE ARE DOING IT AT THE STATE LEVEL, UH, WITH A GOAL TO MAKE IT, UH, POSSIBLE FOR THE CITY LEVEL AS WELL. UH, COUNCILLOR DON, IF I MAY MM-HMM . ON THAT SAME SUBJECT. AGAIN, IF WE DON'T SHARE IT, THEY DON'T HAVE IT. AND, UM, IF YOU'LL GO INTO THE, THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL MORE YEAH. SO THAT IT HE'LL GO INTO THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL THAT, THAT MAY HELP WITH THAT. OKAY. UM, BUT LET ME JUST FINISH MY THOUGHT PLEASE ON, ON THIS SECTION. SO, UM, WHAT COUNCILLOR FOLTZ WAS REALLY BRINGING UP IS THE FACT THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHER WAYS TO SHARE INFORMATION THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING AUTOMATED, RIGHT? SO YOU SHARE IT WITH YAVAPAI SHERIFF, THEY PICK UP A PHONE AND THEY CALL SOMEBODY WE REALLY DIDN'T WANNA SHARE IT WITH. WE'LL NEVER KNOW. IT'S NOT GONNA GET AUDITED. THERE'S GONNA BE NOTHING IN THE AUDIT LOG. THEY GATHER THE INFORMATION AND THEN THEY MANUALLY DO WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO WITH IT, THE OLD PENCIL AND PAPER KIND OF THING. RIGHT. SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU WERE SORT OF GOING. IF NOT, I'VE JUST GIVEN YOU CREDIT FOR IT, . UM, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T STOP THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO AGREE. IT'S NOT AVO, IT'S NOT, IT'S UNAVOIDABLE. WE CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM GOING BACK TO CLAY TABLETS, UM, AND SHARING THE INFORMATION VIA CLAY TABLET. SO I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF GET THAT OUT THERE AND IF YOU'VE GOT SOME MAGIC WAY OF SAYING, OH NO, IT'LL GET AUDITED, I'D LOVE TO HEAR THAT. UM, ANOTHER ISSUE I HAD WAS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT COME INTO SEDONA THAT ARE, UM, TOURIST VEHICLES. CORRECT. UM, MANY OF THOSE ARE RENTAL CARS, AND WE'RE GONNA SEE THOSE PLATES OVER AND OVER AGAIN AS THOSE SAME CARS ARE RENTED OUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM PHOENIX. SO IT BECOMES, OR WHEREVER THEY'RE GETTING THEM FROM, WHICH COULD BE HERE, IT COULD BE FLAGSTAFF, COULD BE ANYWHERE. SO [01:05:01] THAT'S GOING TO SEEMS LIKE IT'S GONNA MAKE IT HARDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TRACK THOSE VEHICLES BECAUSE THEY COULD BE TURNED IN HERE AT OUR ENTERPRISE AND ANOTHER ONE PICKED UP AND NOW THE PERSON LEAVES OUR CITY IN A DIFFERENT VEHICLE BECAUSE IT'S ALL RENTAL VEHICLES AND WE HAVE A LOT OF RENTAL VEHICLES IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT SAY CALIFORNIA, BY THE WAY. MM-HMM . SO, UM, JUST ANY ANSWERS. OH, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT POINT UP. UM, BECAUSE ACTUALLY A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF RENTAL CARS ARE USED IN CRIMES. UH, WE ACTUALLY, UH, UH, ARE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH RENTAL CAR COMPANIES ABOUT THIS 'CAUSE A LOT, THEY REPORT THEIR CARS STOLEN ALL THE TIME. UH, AND I, ONE POINT THAT IT'S, I REALLY WANT TO HIT ON IS THAT FLOCK CAMERAS, UH, PROVIDE ACTIONABLE OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE. THEY DO NOT SOLVE THE CRIMES THEMSELVES. YOU LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT SOLVE THE CRIMES. WHAT THIS DOES IS SAY IF YOU DO HAVE A RENTAL CAR, LET'S SAY ONE, SOMEONE ON AUGUST 1ST GOT A RENTAL CAR, RETURNED IT TO PHOENIX, SOMEONE ELSE, UH, AND, UH, RENTED THAT SAME CAR CAME BACK HERE. UH, SO THAT WOULD BE A TOOL. THE PICTURE, IF YOU WERE TO SEARCH FOR THAT RENTAL ABC 1, 2 3 ARIZONA OR CALIFORNIA LICENSE PLATE, UM, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY LIKE, OKAY, WELL IT WAS HERE ON THIS WEEK. IT WAS HERE ON THIS WEEK, AND YOUR, YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT WOULD USE THAT PIECE OF EVIDENCE BEING LIKE, WELL, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THE SAME PERSON'S DRIVING IT. AND THAT'S ANOTHER IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS TECHNOLOGY IS IT'S ABOUT THE VEHICLE. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PERSON. IT'S ABOUT A SUSPICIOUS VEHICLE, NOT A SUSPICIOUS PERSON. WHICH AGAIN, HELPS TO REDUCE BIAS IN POLICING IN THE FIRST PLACE. UH, AND SO AGAIN, THIS HELPS PUT, UH, ACTIONABLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE. IT DOES NOT SOLVE THE CRIME FOR YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT IT PROVIDES EFFICIENT, ACTIONABLE AND OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE FOR THEM TO USE WHEN THEY'RE INVESTIGATING A CRIME. COUNCILOR DUN ON THAT RENTAL CAR SITUATION, UM, WE USED TO SEE IT A LOT IN THE VALLEY. WE WOULD HAVE TO TYPICALLY SUBPOENA THAT RENTAL CAR COMPANY AND SAY, HEY, WHEN DID YOU RENT THIS OUT? WHEN DID IT GO? SO WE WOULD KNOW WHO THAT PERSON WAS, WHO RENTED THAT, THAT WOULD BE OUR INVESTIGATIVE LEAD FROM BEYOND THAT. BUT, UM, TO HIS POINT, IT DOESN'T SAY WHO THE DRIVER IS. SO THAT'S THE EXTRA STEP THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS TO TAKE. SO IT'S NOT JUST THROWING INFORMATION OUT THERE. IT'S SAYING, YEAH, THIS VEHICLE THAT WAS PART OF THIS CRIME WAS IN YOUR CITY. NOW LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU GOTTA GO FIGURE OUT WHY IT WAS IN YOUR CITY AND FIGURE OUT WHO WAS DRIVING IT BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY OF THE OTHER DATA. AND, AND, AND IT WOULD, EVEN TO THAT POINT, IT WOULD GO TO THE SAME THING IN THIS CITY OR IN COTTONWOOD, IF MY WIFE WAS DRIVING MY CAR AND SHE GOT CAUGHT CAPTURED ON CAMERA, LAW ENFORCEMENT HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT WAS ME DRIVING IT OR MY SON DRIVING IT, OR MY WIFE DRIVING IT. SO AGAIN, IT DOESN'T PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. YOU GOT YOU DONE. OKAY. LET'S GO BACK TO DEREK SO HE CAN FINISH HIS QUESTIONS. UH, JUST TWO MORE QUESTIONS. SO ON THE DATA RETENTION, YOU MENTIONED 30 DAYS AS SORT OF BEING YOUR RECOMMENDED MINIMUM MM-HMM . UM, HOW MUCH FLEXIBILITY IS THERE TO DIAL THAT DOWN FURTHER? UH, WE, WE HAVE A GENERAL FLEXIBILITY. UM, SO WE HAVE ONE CITY I KNOW OF THAT DOES SEVEN DAYS. UM, MOST CHOOSE EITHER 30 DAYS, UH, BOTH US. UH, YEAH. SO I MEAN, MOSTLY IT'S 30, 30 DAYS. THE CONVERSATION THEN COMES IS TO THE INVESTIGATORY BENEFIT THAT IT HAS. FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEONE, UH, GOES ON VACATION, UH, AND THEIR CAR IS STOLEN WHILE THEY'RE OUT ON VACATION, UM, IF YOU HAVE SEVEN DAYS AND THE PEOPLE ONLY FIND OUT ABOUT IT WHEN THEY COME BACK AFTER THE EIGHTH DAY, NOW THE INVESTIGATORY UTILITY OF, OF THE CAMERAS IS GREATLY DIMINISHED. AND IT'S ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT. UM, AGAIN, I'VE MENTIONED HOW WE ARE FULLY ENDORSED AND SUPPORTED BY THE NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN, THE AMBER ALERT SYSTEM. BY REDUCING, UH, AS YOU REDUCE THE RETENTION, UH, YOU POTENTIALLY LOSE LEADS, ACTIONABLE INTE INTELLIGENCE THAT RETURN A MISSING PERSON, UH, TO THEIR FAMILY. AND THAT'S WHERE THE 30 DAYS GENERALLY COMES IN. IT'S, THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE IT'S A CONSTANT BALANCE THAT YOU ALL ARE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW ABOUT THE BALANCE OF PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, AND PRIVACY. AND FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE AGENCIES THAT USE FLOCK, UH, THEY HAVE FOUND THAT THE 30 DAY RETENTION STRIKES THAT BALANCE OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND PRIVACY, BUT IT TECHNICALLY IT COULD BE DIALED DOWN TO WHATEVER WE WANT IT TO BE. RIGHT. UH, THE, I BELIEVE ALL WE ARE CAPABLE OF DOING CURRENTLY IS SEVEN DAYS. THAT'S THE MINIMUM. THAT'S THE MINIMUM WE HAVE. OKAY. UH, LAST QUESTION. UH, THERE'S NO GENTLE WAY TO OH, I'M SORRY. DON'T TALK TO YOURSELF, . THERE'S NO GENERAL WAY TO ASK THIS QUESTION, SO I'LL JUST BE BLUNT. WHY IS THIS JUST NOW COMING BEFORE COUNCIL? [01:10:04] UM, SO, UM, AS SOME OF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, WE HAD TALKED, UM, IT WAS BACK IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR THAT, UM, I DISCUSSED THE BUDGET AND PLANS THAT I HAD GOING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT YEAR. UM, THIS WASN'T ON THOSE PLANS AT THAT TIME. I WAS BROUGHT BACK IN THE NEXT MORNING TO ASK IF THIS WAS ON MY RADAR. UM, AT THAT POINT IT WAS ON THE RADAR IT WAS GOING TO BE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS TO, TO HAVE IT. I THINK THE MAJORITY OF YOU WERE HERE, SO YOU WERE PASSED OUT A PACKET THAT DISCUSSED, UM, THE BENEFITS TO THIS AND THE RESEARCH THAT WAS DONE. WE WERE TRYING TO GET INTO A PLACE WHERE WE HAD MORE PROJECTS COMPLETED SO THAT WE COULD TAKE THIS ADDITIONAL PROJECT ON. HOWEVER, AS ANNETTE CAME ON FROM, FROM AFTER, UM, THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER LEFT, UM, SHE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS. IT WAS DISCUSSED, COULD WE ACTUALLY ACCOMMODATE THIS MIDYEAR AS FAR AS WHERE OUR BUDGET WAS. SO THAT APPROVAL WAS GIVEN THAT WE, WE COULD ACCOMMODATE IT WITH THE STAFF THAT WE HAD WITH MONEY IN THE BUDGET AND THAT WE COULD, UM, WORK WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY TO BRING IT ON, WHICH ENDED UP BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, USUALLY OUR BUDGET YEAR STARTS IN JULY. SO WE, I THINK WE STARTED WITH THE CONTRACTS IN MARCH, SO IT WAS ABOUT FOUR MONTHS EARLIER THAN IT, IT WOULD HAVE COME ONLINE. UM, BUT THE, THE PLAN WAS OUR ALWAYS THERE AT SOME POINT TO BRING THIS FORWARD. UM, I THINK IT JUST GOT PRIORITIZED AND, UM, DISCUSSIONS WERE HAD AND, UM, THE DIRECTION WAS TO, TO PURCHASE WITHIN THIS YEAR AND GET IT GOING NOW. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. CAN I PIGGYBACK ON THAT? OH, OF COURSE. MAY GO RIGHT AHEAD. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, YOU JUST SAID IT, IT GOT PRIORITIZED BUT PRIORITIZED BY WHO? BECAUSE AGAIN, THE POINT WAS THAT WE, IT HASN'T, WASN'T DISCUSSED. IT'S TO ME THERE'S ARE HUGE POLICY ISSUES HERE, POLICY SET BY THE COUNCIL COUNCIL, TO MY RECOLLECTION, AND I KEEP ASKING WHERE, AND SOMEBODY POINT ME, AND I'VE DONE SEARCHES IN OUR SYSTEM WHERE THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF THIS, AND I CANNOT FIND PUBLIC DISCUSSION OF THIS OR DE DISCUSSION OF THIS OTHER THAN ANCILLARY BYPRODUCT MENTIONS IN DOCUMENTS RELATED TO THE BUDGET, WHERE IT WAS NOT CALLED, UH, BY THE LICENSE PLATE READERS OR FLOCK. I ONLY SAW, UH, TRAFFIC CAMERAS AND BODY CAMERAS. SO AGAIN, PRIORITIZE PRIORITIZED WHEN AND, AND, AND BY WHO. SO FOR ME TO ANSWER THAT, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS BY MAYOR BLO DURING THE MARCH OR THE APRIL 18TH WHEN I WAS BROUGHT BACK IN THAT MORNING TO DISCUSS IT, THAT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IT, IT WAS MORE OF A PRIORITIZATION FROM HIM THAT THEN WAS DISCUSSED WITH CITY MANAGER, PRIOR CITY MANAGER, KAREN OSBORNE, AND THEN TO ANNETTE. AND THE DIRECTION WAS GIVEN TO ME TO MOVE THIS FORWARD BASED ON, UM, HER ABILITY TO, TO, UM, SIGN OFF. BUT I'LL, I'LL LEAVE THAT TO HER TO DISCUSS HOW THAT CAME TO BE AS FAR AS DISCUSSIONS WITH ME. UM, BUT THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION. LIKE I SAID, THE MAJORITY OF YOU WERE HERE WHEN, WHEN I WAS BROUGHT BACK IN THAT MORNING TO DISCUSS IT, TO SEE IF IT WAS ON THE RADAR. UM, IT JUST WASN'T GONNA BE PRIORITIZED IN THAT IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, IT WAS GOING TO BE INTO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND DISCUSSED. OKAY. JUST, OKAY. SO STICKING TO THAT PRIORITIZATION, HOW THE BUDGET, ANNETTE ANSWER, I'M SORRY. DO YOU WANNA HEAR THAT PART FIRST? I WASN'T SURE IF YOU WANTED ME TO. I I DO, BUT THIS ACTUALLY WILL YES, ANSWER THAT WITH THIS . UM, SO USUALLY WHEN, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MOVING SOMETHING UP IN A BUDGET TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF UNSPENT MONIES IN A YEAR, AGAIN, THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENS AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL AND COUNCIL SETS THAT. SO HOW DID THIS BYPASS THAT, THAT PROCESS? THANK YOU COUNSELOR KINSELLA. UM, SO WHEN I WAS HIRED BY THE CITY AND CAME ON LAST APRIL, UM, YOU WERE AT THE TAIL END OF YOUR BUDGET PROCESS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR THAT JUST ENDED JUNE 30TH. UM, AND THESE FUNDS WERE PUT INTO THE BUDGET FOR PROJECTS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES. AND THE CHIEF HAS ALREADY DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU HAD YOUR BUDGET WORK SESSION. SHE WAS CALLED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHEN WOULD THE LPR, UM, CAMERAS BE, UM, IMPLEMENTED OR WAS THAT ON HER RADAR? UM, SO THEN WHEN WE WENT INTO THE ACTUAL BUDGET YEAR AND THE FUNDS WERE THERE, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AT THAT TIME THAT THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS EXPECTED TO BE IMPLEMENTED. [01:15:01] UM, AND SO WHEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FINISHED THEIR OTHER TECHNOLOGY UPGRADE, IT WAS A PACKAGE OF UPGRADES. UM, THE CHIEF AND I MEET REGULARLY AND THE CHIEF LET ME KNOW, OKAY, WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW WHERE WE CAN, UM, TAKE ON LOOKING AT THIS TECHNOLOGY IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO DO. AND BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE PRIORITY OR THE BUDGET OF THE COUNCIL, UM, I TOLD HER, GO AHEAD. LET'S LOOK AT WHAT UH, COMPANIES ARE OUT THERE, WHAT INTEGRATES WITH OUR CURRENT COMPUTER SYSTEMS AND EVALUATE THOSE PROGRAMS AND COME BACK TO ME WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF WHICH, UM, COMPANY THEY WANT TO USE, WHICH ENDED UP BEING FLOCK. UM, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE TECHNOLOGY IS SMALL ENOUGH THAT IT IS WITHIN MY AUTHORITY THAT YOU'VE DELEGATED TO ME TO SELECT PRODUCTS, UM, SERVICES, WHATNOT, AND GO AHEAD AND SIGN CONTRACTS. AND SO WHEN THEY BROUGHT THAT FORWARD TO ME, UM, IT APPEARED TO ME THAT IT CHECKED ALL THE BOXES AND THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS EXPECTED TO BE IMPLEMENTED. AND SO I WENT AHEAD AND SIGNED THE CONTRACT. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE NEEDED TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY DISCUSSION, BUT NONE OF IT WAS DONE IN ANY WAY THAT WAS CONTRARY TO ANY CITY POLICIES OR PRACTICES. WE DO, UM, REVISE OPERATING BUDGETS AND MOVE THINGS AROUND. UM, AS THINGS COME UP, IT'S REALLY ONLY THE VERY LARGE TICKET ITEMS THAT COME TO THE COUNCIL ABOVE 150,000. UM, THIS IS A TWO YEAR CONTRACT. IT'S LIKE 40 SOMETHING EACH YEAR. SO IT'S WELL BELOW, UM, THE SIGNATURE AUTHORITY THAT I ALREADY HAVE. UM, WHEN THE QUESTIONS STARTED COMING UP AND, UM, AFTER THE RED ROCK NEWS RAN THEIR ARTICLE, I SCHEDULED THIS WORK SESSION FOR YOU TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. I PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDAR. YEAH. SO ANYWAY, THAT IS HOW THAT ALL OCCURRED. UM, I THOUGHT I WAS DOING THE RIGHT THING BACK WHEN I FIRST GOT HIRED AND WAS GIVEN THE DIRECTION FROM WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE INTENT OF THE COUNCIL. SO 'CAUSE TO, TO MY LAST ON THAT IS WE NORMALLY, THINGS LIKE THIS GO THROUGH, UM, WE REVIEW THEM AS PART OF A DECISION PACKET WHEN GOING THROUGH THE BUDGETS. I DON'T RECALL. I HAVEN'T SEEN, AND AGAIN, I SEARCH DOCUMENTS TO LOOK FOR A DECISION PACKET. NOW, SOMETIMES THERE ARE DECISION PACKETS THAT ARE DRAFTED, DON'T MAKE IT INTO FINALS. CAN YOU, CAN WE FIND THAT, BECAUSE AGAIN, I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIMELINE. I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE REGULAR PROCESS OF PUBLIC, UM, A PUBLIC HEARING, A PUBLIC MEETING WITH THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK. I DON'T FEEL THAT I EVER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THIS AS AN ITEM. AND AS I SAID, IN MY OPINION, THERE ARE POLICY ISSUES, UM, WITH THIS. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AGAIN, HOW THIS CIRCUMVENTED AND THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO SOMETHING, A MEETING ON APRIL 18TH. WHAT IS THAT? THAT WAS, UH, DURING THE BUDGET MEETINGS ON THE 17TH WAS MY DAY TO PRESENT. I WAS CALLED BACK THE NEXT MORNING. THAT'S RIGHT. SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS TOPIC. OKAY, THANK YOU. I CAN'T REALLY ANSWER WHAT HAPPENED IN THE BUDGET BEFORE I GOT HIRED. SO ALL OF THIS WAS ALREADY THERE BEFORE I EVER STARTED WORKING HERE. OKAY. I'M GONNA LET THAT GO. I THINK WE'RE GONNA CIRCLE BACK TO THIS POINT, BUT MY COLLEAGUES OKAY, MELISSA'S FIRST, THIS IS JUST AS A CORRECTIVE STATEMENT. IT, I ASKED FOR THIS TO BE AGENDIZED DURING THE IN FUTURE MEETINGS. DO WE WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING AGENDIZED? AND THERE WAS SUPPORT FROM ALL OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THE TIME. SO I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT WE DID ASK FOR THIS MEETING TO BE AGENDIZED SO THAT WE HAD A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS GOING ON. PETE, SO TELL IN ON THIS AS WELL. I MAYBE BROADENING COUNSELOR ELLA'S REQUEST, I WOULD LIKE, UH, TO MAKE A SPECIFIC REQUEST THAT I PRE PROVIDED DATE AND TIMESTAMPS SO I COULD LOOK AT THE VIDEOS AND IF, AND IF THEIR BUDGET DOCUMENTS LINKED TO THE DOCUMENT PAGE NUMBERS. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IT. I HAVE NO RECOLLECTION OF DOING IT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THAT. SO I WOULD LIKE THAT DATA SPECIFICALLY. DEREK, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT ON THAT SIDE OF THE TABLE OR THAT SIDE OF THE DATA, THIS WAS VIEWED AS BASICALLY AN EQUIPMENT UP UPGRADE? I I WOULDN'T SAY EQUIPMENT UPGRADE, I MEAN, BUT I WOULD SAY A TOOL THAT, UM, LIKE AN ANNETTE HAD SAID WHERE IT WAS IN HER BUDGETARY ABILITY TO SIGN ON FOR TECHNOLOGY THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD USE. SO, UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A REGULAR TOOL THAT OTHER AGENCIES ARE USING. IT WASN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY VIEWED AS, AS ESPECIALLY [01:20:01] 'CAUSE OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE GETTING READY TO PRESENT AXON, UM, THAT HAS A HIGH DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT GOES OUTSIDE HER SIGNING AUTHORITY. SO IT HAS TO COME BACK HERE TO, TO DISCUSS WHAT THE COMPANY AND, AND WHAT WE'RE PURCHASING. SO THIS WAS LOOKED AT A, A REGULAR TOOL THAT WOULD BE USED THAT, UM, LIKE I SAID, WAS IT WITHIN THE SIGNING AUTHORITY THAT DIRECTION HAD BEEN GIVEN AS FAR AS INTEREST INTO THIS TECHNOLOGY WHEN YOU STARTED TO EQUIP, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD, ANNETTE. OH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT, UM, I DO WANNA BE CLEAR THAT I DO SUPPORT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND AT GIVING THEM THE TOOLS THAT EVERY OTHER AGENCY AROUND US HAS SO THAT WE'RE NOT AT A DISADVANTAGE IN TRYING TO ADDRESS CRIME. AND SO THAT WAS AGAIN, WHY, UM, I SIGNED THE CONTRACT BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THIS WITH THE SAFEGUARDS AND ALL OF THE SIDEBOARDS AND THE, UM, POLICIES THAT WERE PUTTING IN PLACE AND THEN CHANGING BASED ON WHATEVER GUIDANCE WE GET HERE, AGAIN, IT'S NOT BEING USED RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT WE WILL BE PROVIDING OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT APPROPRIATE TOOLS FOR SOLVING CRIMES HERE AND PROTECTING PEOPLE. DID IT COME BEFORE COUNSEL WHEN THE OFFICERS STARTED WEARING, UH, BODY CAMS? WAS THAT A DECISION COUNSEL HAD TO WEIGH IN ON? UH, SO OUR FIRST CAMERA SYSTEM WAS L THREE. I DON'T REMEMBER THAT. UM, WHEN G TAC, WHICH IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY USE, I BELIEVE THAT DID COME FORWARD BECAUSE OF THE COST OF WHAT IT WAS. UM, BUT AT THAT POINT WE WERE ALREADY IN A SYSTEM L THREE BEFORE THAT. SO I THINK IT WAS BASED ON THE PURCHASE AMOUNT, NOT FOR THE PROGRAM CHIEF RECOLLECTION, THAT CAME FORWARD AS A BUDGET PRIORITY BECAUSE IT, IN, IN THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS FOR BODY CAMS, IT WAS ACTUALLY DISCUSSED AND VETTED AND GIVEN A BUDGET PRIORITY. AND, AND LAST YEAR AT THAT SAME COUNCIL ON THE, ON FOUR 17 IS WHERE, UM, MYSELF AND THE PRIOR DEPUTY CHIEF WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE TESTING, UM, TESTING PHASE, AND WE WERE GONNA BE SELECTING AND THEN PRESENTING SOMETHING TO YOU THIS YEAR. OKAY. THAT'S ALL. OKAY, PETE, THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. I'M GONNA TRY TO NARROW DOWN THE LIST OF THINGS THAT I HAVE HERE. I WANNA START ALSO, WHAT DID YOU SAY, COUNSELOR KINSELLA AT A PRETTY BASE LEVEL. I, I NEED TO DEEPEN MY UNDERSTANDING ABOUT EXACTLY HOW THIS IS, IS USED 11 CAMERAS IS CURRENTLY INSTALLED, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. UH, OUR AGREEMENTS FOR 1211 ARE INSTALLED. UH, AND IF YOU WERE GONNA EVER, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS IF YOU EVER DECIDED THAT WE NEEDED MORE THAN THAT? WOULD THAT BE A COUNCIL DECISION IN THE FUTURE? OR HOW, HOW WOULD THAT, YOU CERTAINLY WOULD MAKE IT A COUNCIL DECISION? YES, , UH, AND NOT IN CARS CURRENTLY. CURRENTLY THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT IN CARS. UM, WITH THE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO, THEY WILL INTEGRATE, BUT THEY ARE NOT OPERATIONAL. WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT INTO ANY PACKAGE. SO, UM, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED LATER. BUT, UM, WITH AXON AS THE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE WANTING TO GO TOWARDS, UM, THEY HAVE THAT ABILITY, UH, TO INTEGRATE WITH THE FLOCK SYSTEM. CORRECT. GOT IT. UH, AND IS THAT ON YOUR TO-DO LIST IN THE FUTURE, OR NOT CURRENTLY? IDEALLY, I, BUT I, WE REALLY NEED TO, TO UNDERSTAND AND USE THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE FIRST TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING WITH, WITH WHAT WE CAN TRACK WITH WHAT IS CALLED WINDS. AND I CAN LET THEM GO INTO THE WIND A LITTLE MORE. BUT IF THERE ARE CARS THAT, UM, GO INTO THE, INTO THE FLOCK SYSTEM, THAT FLAG FOR US AND WE ARE ABLE TO SOLVE A CRIME OR, UM, YOU KNOW, HELP WITH SOMEBODY THAT WAS MISSING, WE'RE GONNA TAG THOSE IN OUR OTHER SYSTEMS SO THAT WE CAN KNOW THAT THAT WAS A WIN. SO THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT IF THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE IS REALLY WORKING TO WHAT WE WANT. IF THERE'S A NEED FOR MORE, UM, OR TO INTEGRATE WITH OUR, OUR OTHER CAMERA SYSTEM. SO WE ALL LIKE WINDS, BUT I DON'T THINK I NEED ANY MORE INFORMATION ON WINDS AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT. UH, AND SO IF WE MADE A DECISION IN THE FUTURE TO PUT 'EM IN CARS, WOULD THAT ALSO BE A POLICY DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT? OKAY. I THINK I ALREADY SAID YES TO THAT. THAT WAS FOR THE FIXED, EXPANDING THE FIXED. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS MAY OR MAY NOT GO AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. UM, SO WE'VE GOT THESE CAMERAS, THEY'RE CAPTURING IMAGES WHENEVER A CAR PASSES THROUGH ITS FIELD OF VIEW AND THE DATA IS AUTOMATICALLY AND IN NEAR REAL TIME UPDATED TO THIS CLOUD. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YES. OKAY. AND THE CLOUD IS REALLY, YOU TALKED ABOUT IT BEING OUR DATA, BUT IT'S REALLY YOUR DATABASE. IS THAT CORRECT? WE, IT IS YOUR DATA AND WE STORE IT IN THE AWS GOV CLOUD, BUT IT IS NOT INTERMINGLED WITH ANY OTHER AGENCY'S DATA. THANK YOU. [01:25:01] YOU, YOU, UH, INTERPRET, YOU ANTICIPATED ONE OF MY MY NEXT QUESTIONS. SO IT'S OUR DATA IN YOUR CLOUD, BUT IT'S NOT INTEGRATED YET. THAT ALL HAPPENS, THE INTEGRATION HAPPENS THROUGH THIS SHARING THAT GETS AUTHORIZED. YEAH. WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU AUTHORIZE SHARING, THEN WE MAKE THAT POSSIBLE. AND WHEN THE DATA GETS UP INTO THE CLOUD, DOES IT AUTOMATICALLY GET CHECKED AGAINST A-C-I-C-N-C-I-C AND THE AMBER ALERTS AND WHATEVER ELSE? OR DOES THAT HAVE TO BE PART OF THE DATA SHARING AGREEMENT? UH, NO. BASED ON THE LIST THAT YOU OPT INTO, WHETHER IT'S A CIC OR NCIC, I GOT IT. I GOT IT. AND THEN COMMANDER, YOU TALKED ABOUT, WELL, UH, UH, COMMANDER, YOU MENTIONED THAT IT'S NOT AUTOMATICALLY CONNECTED THROUGH MVD. UH, AND SO IF SOMETHING OF INTEREST HAPPENS THERE, WE SEE SOMETHING ON THE LIST AND WE WANT TO FIND, AND YOU HAD SAID, AND PART OF THE SUCCESS STORY WAS WE WENT TO THE SUSPECT'S HOUSE. SO I'M ASSUMING THEN THAT BECAME PART OF A MORE IN-DEPTH INVESTIGATION AT THAT POINT AND YOU WERE ABLE TO MANUALLY OR WHATEVER DETERMINE THE SUSPECT'S ADDRESS AT THAT POINT. THIS ISN'T THE SYSTEM DOING THAT IT CORRECT. IT WAS NOT THE SYSTEM. IT WAS, THEY IDENTIFIED THE LICENSE PLATE. THEY THEN DISPATCH THEN RAN THAT LICENSE PLATE THROUGH ARIZONA MVD AND SAID, THIS IS YOUR REGISTERED OWNER, THIS IS WHERE THEY LIVE. MUCH LIKE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE RENTAL PARK. IT JUST SHOWS YOU THE VEHICLE AND IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY OTHER INFORMATION. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO THAT WORK BEHIND IT. COOL. AND TO PUT A, A FINER POINT ON THAT COUNSELOR. YEP. FLOCK HAS NO ACCESS TO PII PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION. WE DID NOT HAVE ANY ACCESS TO IT. THANK YOU. AND SO IT WAS A OFFICER THAT REQUESTED DISPATCH TO RUN THAT THROUGH MVD TO GET AN ADDRESS OR NO. DISPATCH, DISPATCH DID, DISPATCH DID THAT ON THEIR OWN. YES. DISPATCH HAS THE SAME CAPABILITIES AS OFFICERS. IN FACT, MOST OF THE TIME DISPATCH HAS HIGHER LEVELS BECAUSE OF THE STUFF THAT THEY DEAL WITH. RIGHT. IN FACT, DISPATCHERS CAN RUN CRIMINAL HISTORY WHERE OFFICERS ON OUR LEVEL, THEY DON'T RUN CRIMINAL HISTORY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I THINK THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF SORT OF HOW THIS SYSTEM WORKS, WHICH I APPRECIATE AND THANK YOU. COMMANDER, YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE TRAINING. UH, BUT HOW LONG IS THE TRAINING BLOCK? IS IT HERE A ONE PAGER, READ THIS AND INITIAL IT OR TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE TRAINING? WELL AGAIN, WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY PROVIDED ALL THE TRAINING TO DISPATCH AND FOR THE PD. UM, FOR, FOR US HERE IN SEDONA, THE INITIAL TRAINING FOR JUST THE FLOCK SYSTEM, WE HAD A FLOCK REPRESENTATIVE COME OUT AND THAT TRAINING LASTED ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF. AND THAT WAS PURELY ON THE FLOCK SYSTEM ITSELF. HOW DO YOU USE IT, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW TO DO THE HOT LIST AND HOW YOU SEARCH THINGS. HOWEVER, TRAINING IS ALWAYS ONGOING. SO EVERY YEAR, IN FACT, I JUST GOT NOTICED TODAY, HEY, COMMANDER DOW, YOUR T-O-C-A-C-I-C THING IS GETTING READY TO EXPIRE. YOU HAVE TO GO IN AND TAKE THE TEST AGAIN. THAT IS PART OF THAT TRAINING AS WELL. IF THAT A CIC THING CERTIFICATION ISN'T UP TO DATE, THEN I DON'T GET F**K ANYMORE. RIGHT. THAT'S THE POLICY THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE REST OF 'EM. SO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, IT'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY THREE TO FOUR HOURS MINIMAL A YEAR WITH GOING BACK THROUGH FLOCK, GOING THROUGH YOUR A CIC, MAKING SURE THE POLICY IS REREAD. SO IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD THREE OR FOUR HOURS A YEAR. I, I WOULD ASSUME. GREAT. THANK YOU. COMMANDER, YOU ALSO USE THE WORDS, WE HAVE PROSECUTED PEOPLE FOR MISUSE AND I DON'T KNOW, CAN YOU TELL ME MORE WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT? WHO IS WE AND MISUSE OF WHAT AT, AT THAT POINT? WHAT DID YOU MEAN? LAW, LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, HAS PROSECUTED THESE IN THE PAST AND I KNOW IN GENERAL ARIZONA OFFICERS, THESE, THESE MEANING MISUSE OF INFORMATION. YES. NOT NECESSARILY THE FLOCK, BUT THE GENERAL TOPIC OF YES, ABSOLUTELY. UM, BECAUSE IT DOES HAPPEN ON OCCASION. YOU HAVE ROGUE PLAYERS WHO LIKE, I'M GONNA RUN MY EX-GIRLFRIEND TO SEE WHERE SHE'S AT. RIGHT. IT, IT HAPPENS WE'RE, WE'RE HUMANS AND PEOPLE DO THINGS THAT THEY, THEY SHOULDN'T DO. BUT IN ARIZONA I KNOW OF SPECIFIC CASES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PROSECUTED FOR MISUSE OF INFORMATION AND LOST THEIR JOBS. UM, SO THERE IS CONSEQUENCES BEHIND IT. AND I KNOW SPECIFICALLY IN ARIZONA, I CAN'T GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, A PINPOINT EXACTLY. BUT IF, IF YOU WANTED TO, I COULD LOOK IT UP AND BRING IT TO YOU AND SHOW YOU THESE OFFICERS OR DISPATCHERS WERE PROSECUTED FOR IT. I THINK THAT JUST TO MENTION TOO, IN MY 20 YEARS HERE WITH THE CITY, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANYONE THAT HAS MISUSED IT OR WE'VE HAD TO, UM, PROSECUTE OR, OR FOR TOWARD THE EITHER COUNTY. SO IN, IN MY TIME HERE, WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT. YEAH. I, AND I CAN TELL YOU THROUGH MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE KNOWING THINGS WITH MY DEGREE OF WHATEVER THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES, I PROBABLY RAN ACROSS FOUR OR FIVE. RIGHT. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THE STATE LOOKS LIKE. RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, MY NEXT QUESTION IS GONNA GO BACK TO OUR PACKET. I APOLOGIZE THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE 'CAUSE WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THE VISUALS. UH, SO I'LL [01:30:01] READ A LITTLE BIT OF IT. PACKET PAGE NUMBER TWO. YOU TALK ABOUT THE SYSTEM IS USED TO ASSIST IN WITH IDENTIFYING STOLEN VEHICLES. SOUNDS GOOD. WANTED PERSONS. ABSOLUTELY. UH, VEHICLES RELATED TO AMBER ALERTS. YEP. INTERESTED IN THAT PARKING VIOLATIONS. THAT SEEMS OUTTA CONTEXT WITH THE OTHER ONES. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT ON THIS? AND THEY SAID IT DOESN'T CROSS, IT'S IN YEAH. OUR STAFF REPORT PACKET PAGE NUMBER TWO. MM-HMM . YEAH. YEAH, HERE YOU GO. THAT'S, THAT'S APRS ARE GENERALLY CAN BE USED FOR PARKING VIOLATIONS. UM, YOU'LL SEE THEM ON, I DON'T WANNA SOUND CORNY, BUT IF YOU WATCH PARKING WARS ON A AND E, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GETTING THOSE VEHICLES OFF OF. IS THAT IN OUR SYSTEM WE ARE MOVING, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I CAN'T TALK ABOUT BECAUSE NECESSARILY 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE PROGRESSING THROUGH THE PARKING, UM, SITUATION WITH THE, UH, UM, PARKING GARAGE AND SUCH. BUT THE PREVIOUS PARKING TRANSIT, TRANSIT MANAGER, MANAGER, LANCE, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE GOT WAS COMPATIBLE WITH POTENTIAL ITEMS THAT THEY WERE GONNA USE ON THE PARKING GARAGE TO SAY, HEY, THIS WAS A VIOLATION. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A WAYS OUT BECAUSE THE PARKING, THE PARKING PLAN IS STILL OUT. BUT THAT WAS PART OF HIS INTENT WAS FOR ONCE RIGHT. GOVERNMENT WE'RE THINKING AHEAD, WE'RE LIKE, HEY MAN, DON'T BUY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T ALL MAKE SURE WE INTEGRATE WITH POTENTIALLY. SO THAT WAS THE IDEA BEHIND IT. SO WHEN WE GET TO THE PART WHERE WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHO WE'RE SHARING DATA WITH, WE ALSO NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE TYPES OF DATA, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE DEPTH OF SERIOUS THINGS VERSUS DO WE REALLY WANNA BE SHARING PARKING DATA WITH OUTSIDE AGENCIES? IS THAT AN IMPORTANT THING TO DO? SO I, I DON'T THINK, UM, WHAT WAS INTENDED BY WHAT COMMANDER DOWELL WAS SAYING IS FOR OUTSIDE AGENCIES TO HAVE THAT IT HAS THE CAPABILITY WITH THE FLOCK SYSTEM THAT IF THE INTENTION WAS TO, AT A PARKING GARAGE OR, UM, PARKING LOTS HAVE CAMERAS TO, TO TRACK THAT AS FAR AS, UM, PURCHASING, YOU KNOW, LIKE A TICKET INTO THE AREA OR WHATEVER. THOSE CAMERAS ALSO CAN DO IT AND IT WOULD INTEGRATE WITH THIS SYSTEM, UM, BECAUSE FLOCK IS, IS USED AT DIFFERENT PARKING LOCATIONS FOR IT. I I, I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ASK IS IF WE DECIDE TO SHARE DATA WITH PAR WITH COTTONWOOD OR THE VERDE VALLEY IN GENERAL, DO WE ALSO GO DOWN THE DEPTH OF WHAT TYPES OF INFORMATION AND UN AUTHORIZE THAT OR NOT? WE ABSOLUTELY CAN. I THINK ONE OF THE, THE CONCERNS I SAW FROM A CITIZEN THAT WAS, UM, GIVEN TO US WAS THAT IF ANOTHER, UM, STATE HAS, UH, A CRIME THAT WOULD NOT BE A CRIME IN ARIZONA AND THEY WANTED TO ACCESS OUR SYSTEM FOR THAT TYPE OF CRIME, WOULD WE LET THEM HAVE IT? AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD ASK THEM TO GIVE US THE REASON THAT THEY'RE DOING IT. AND WE WOULD THEN, UM, LET THEM KNOW IF WE WOULD GIVE THEM THE INFORMATION OR NOT BASED ON THE LEVEL OF CRIME IT POTENTIALLY HAD. SO FOR A PARKING VIOLATION FOR ANOTHER AGENCY TO ASK US FOR THAT, I, I CAN'T IMAGINE A TIME WHERE WE, WE WOULD GIVE THAT FOR IT. UM, UNLESS THEY SAID THAT IT WAS A, THIS VEHICLE WAS INVOLVED AT THIS LOT, IT WAS PARKED AND IT'S INVOLVED IN A MURDER, RIGHT? LIKE, THEN, THEN YOU'RE ES ESCALATING IT BASED ON THE CRIME, NOT A PARKING VIOLATION. AND, AND IF A OUTSIDE AGENCY WAS ASKING FOR WHETHER WE HAD PARKING VIOLATIONS, WOULD WE SHARE THAT WITH THEM AS WELL? WOULD YOU HAD ASKED THOSE SAME KIND OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY IS IT THEY'RE ASKING ABOUT PARKING? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL FORM. THAT CAN BE THE REASONS WHY TO USE IT. AND IF IT WAS OUTSIDE THIS, THEN TO SEND THE REQUEST. BUT, UM, YEAH, AND PARKING VIOLATIONS WOULDN'T BE ENFORCED OUTSIDE OF THE MUNICIPALITY BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE SOLE, UM, JURISDICTION OVER OUR OWN PARKING VIOLATION. SO IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR COTTONWOOD TO SAY, HEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY SEDONA PARKING VIOLATIONS ON THIS PERSON? BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T ENFORCE IT ANYWAY. IT'S A CIVIL ACTION ON OUR PART. I GUESS HERE'S A, A SCENARIO, AND I DON'T REALLY LIKE TO PAINT THESE DIFFICULT SCENARIOS, BUT ONE OF THEM THAT I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT TOO IS JUST SAY WE HAD A RESIDENT IN OUR TOWN WHO WAS A GREEN CARD HOLDER, CAME HERE COMPLETELY THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND RESIDED IN OUR TOWN, AND AN OUTSIDE AGENCY SAID, HEY, HERE'S A LIST OF PEOPLE AND CAN YOU TELL ME WHETHER THEY HAVE ANYTHING UP TO INCLUDING PARKING VIOLATIONS? WOULD, WOULD WE DO THAT FOR TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS OR PARKING? [01:35:01] NO. I MEAN, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL VIOLATION. IT'S A CIVIL, AND THAT DOESN'T REALLY MEET THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THAT. SO NO, WE WOULDN'T GIVE THAT. UM, IF THEY CAME WITH A, IF ANY AGENCY CAME WITH A CRIMINAL ASPECT OF CONCERNS FOR SOMEBODY THAT WAS IN OUR COMMUNITY, THAT WOULD BE EVALUATED. NOT A CIVIL VIOLATION THAT COULD GO TOWARDS SOMEBODY'S CITIZENSHIP. NO. OKAY. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, ON THE FLOCK IN PARKING END OF THE TECHNOLOGY, WHAT I BELIEVE, UH, UH, YOUR COMMANDER IN CHIEF ARE SAYING IS YOU'RE LIKELY GONNA BE PURCHASING A SPECIFIC PARKING TECHNOLOGY FOR THIS CITATION. UH, FLOCK TRADITIONALLY DOESN'T DO THAT. UH, WHAT FLOCK CAN DO IS WORK ALONGSIDE THAT. SO IT WOULDN'T BE COLLECTING DATA ON THE CITATION, THE CIVIL END OF THINGS, UH, BUT ALONGSIDE THESE PARKING CAMERAS, YOU CAN INCLUDE TO SIMULTANEOUSLY HAVE THE FLOCK SYSTEM RUNNING TO LOOK FOR CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS. AND SO THERE'D BE A SEPARATION OF THE CIVIL PARKING CITATION THAT YOU'RE HAVING. AND SO, AND THE, UH, CRIMINAL, UH, ASPECT THAT FLOCK DOES. AND SO THERE WOULD BE A, A SEPARATION THERE. GOOD. THANK YOU. AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, COUNSELOR, WHEN WE RUN P IF I MAKE A TRAFFIC STOP AND I RUN SOMEBODY'S DRIVER'S LICENSE, UH, AND CHECK TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY WANTS OR WARRANTS, IT DOES NOT, BASED ON MY TRAFFIC STOP, IT DOESN'T SEARCH ANY INS DATABASE. RIGHT. I, I CAN SAY, HEY, THIS PERSON HAS SPECIFIC THINGS THAT LEADS ME TO BELIEVE. AGAIN, I HAD AN INSTANCE WHERE SOMEBODY HAD A BORDER CROSSING CARD AND THEY WERE WAY BEYOND BORDER CROSSING IS ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE SO MANY MILES. THEY HAD THAT AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE DOING WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO, BUT IT DOESN'T JUST AUTOMATICALLY SEARCH. IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT HAS A A HOLD ON THEM THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THEN IT WOULD TICK. BUT NOT JUST A RANDOM, UM, GREEN CARD HOLDER OR WHATEVER THAT HAPPENS TO BE. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN I JUMP OFF HERE? SURE. UM, IN ORDER TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE HOT LIST THOUGH, AN OFFICER HAS TO ENTER THAT INFORMATION, RIGHT? IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY A SUPERVISOR FIRST APPROVED AND ENTERED. OKAY. YEAH. SO IF THIS THING MOVED FORWARD AND COUNSEL SAID WE DON'T WANT TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS ON THERE, IS THAT SOMETHING, WOULD YOU GUYS HAVE A PROBLEM SAYING, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T CARE. WELL, MAYBE NOT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, DUI DIFFERENT THING, OBVIOUSLY THEIR PARKING TICKET. BUT IF WE DIRECTED YOU TO NOT ENTER CARS WITH MULTIPLE PARKING VIOLATIONS ON THE SYSTEM, WOULD YOU HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT? UH, NO, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS MORE, THIS IS A CRIMINAL TOOL. THIS IS A TOOL TO STOP CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. QUITE HONESTLY, IF WE DID THAT, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D HAVE TIME FOR ANYTHING ELSE. . OKAY. YEAH, THAT WASN'T MY QUESTION. JUST WHY WOULD THAT EVEN BE IN THE SYSTEM? SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, WHAT, UH, JUST A COUPLE MORE HERE, COMMANDER BEFORE YOU GO ON, CAN I JUST GO INTO SOMETHING? ABSOLUTELY. SO SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD SAID COMMANDER, UH, LANCE AND THE PARKING GROUP, OR HE WAS THE PARKING MANAGER. I THOUGHT HE WAS LOOKING MORE IN TERMS OF USING A CAMERA SYSTEM THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHEN THERE'S A SPACE AVAILABLE, IT WOULD COUNT. HE, HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT INTEGRATED WITH EVERYTHING. I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD, ADDY. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT THE FLOCK REP REPRESENTATIVE SAID EARLIER. IT'S, YOU'RE CORRECT. THE PRIMARY INTENT OF THAT VIDEO SYSTEM ON THE GARAGE IS TO MANAGE PARKING SPACES. ALONGSIDE THAT, WE WANTED THE ABILITY TO INTEGRATE WITH THE FLOCK SYSTEM AND ALLOW THE ABILITY TO IDENTIFY SOMEONE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS LOOKING FOR A CRIMINAL THAT COULD BE PUT INTO THE FLOCK SYSTEM AND IDENTIFIED IT'S NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. IT'S NOT INTENDED TO FIND PARKING VIOLATORS AND ANNOUNCE THEM THROUGH THE FLOCK SYSTEM. I HOPE THAT HELPS. YEAH, THAT CLEARED THAT UP FOR ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GO AHEAD, PETE. UH, COMMANDER, I, I SHOULD HAVE, UH, THROWN THIS ONE IN, IN AN EARLIER SERIES, BUT, UH, TODAY IN YOUR SLIDE PRESENTATION ALSO IN PACKET, IN OUR PACKET, YOU HAD ONE DISPLAY OF THE FLOCK DATA, BUT UP THERE, THERE WAS A PICTURE OF THE LICENSE PLATE, BUT THERE WERE SOME WORDS THAT SAID, SEEN FIVE TIMES IN THE LAST 30 DAYS. MM-HMM. CAN YOU TELL ME HOW THAT WAS GENERATED? WAS THAT, IS THAT AN AUTOMATIC GENERATED THING OR WAS THAT PART OF WHAT AN OFFICER WOULD DO OR INVESTIGATOR WOULD DO? UH, IN, IN PROBING THE SYSTEM? YEAH. SO WHEN YOU WOULD PUT IN A SEARCH, UH, CHANCES ARE IF YOU'RE GOING OVER A 30 DAY SEARCH FOR A SPECIFIC VEHICLE, MULTIPLE CAMERAS ARE GONNA HIT THAT. AND SO WHAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE ARE THE MULTIPLE INDIVIDUAL IMAGES THAT COME UP. [01:40:01] SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT REFERS TO. BUT THAT ISN'T, THAT KIND OF INFORMATION WOULDN'T POP UP AUTOMATICALLY IN SOMEONE'S DISPLAY, RIGHT? YOU NEED TO BE AT, YOU NEED TO BE DOING AN INQUIRY ABOUT THAT PLATE NUMBER. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. YES. YEAH, THAT, THAT'S THAT HOT LIST. AND THEN THAT PLATE IS WHERE THEY ENTERED THE INFORMATION TO RUN IT. YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN I'M ASSUMING IF YOU CLICK SOMEWHERE, YOU COULD DIG DOWN INTO WHAT LOCATIONS AND WHAT DATES AND TIMES THAT THAT PLATE WAS SEEN. THANK YOU. UM, UH, IN OUR PACKET, PAGE 1 71, IT TALKED ABOUT, UH, I THINK THIS WAS THE FLOCK DATA, OR MAYBE THIS WAS DATA FROM ONE OF THE OTHER CITIES, BUT IT TALKED ABOUT A CITY COUNCIL ROI REPORT. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT IS? AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, DO WE INTEND TO USE THAT? SO THE CITY COUNCIL, ROI, IS BASICALLY THE WINDS. SO IT IS REPORTING BACK TO YOU AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, QUARTERLY, EVERY SIX, WHATEVER YOU WOULD WANT, HEY, WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH THIS. IS IT PRODUCTIVE? IS IT, ARE WE GETTING OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR WHAT WE'RE SPENDING? SO THAT'S THE INTENT BEHIND IT, IS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU REPORTS AS YOU ASKED FOR THEM AND SAY, WE HAD THESE WIND, OR WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY WIND, AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S NOT WORTH IT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. IS IT WORKING? IS IT, IS IT PREVENTING MAN HOURS OR PERSON HOURS FROM BEING OUT THERE WATCHING THE ACTUAL STREET LOOKING FOR A SUSPECT? UM, BECAUSE THIS SYSTEM IS ALSO WORKING, WHILE ALL OUR OFFICERS ARE ON CALLS FOR SERVICE. SO WE MAY HAVE A OFFICER ON A DOG BARKING CALL, WE MAY HAVE AN OFFICER ON A SHOPLIFTING CALL. WE MAY HAVE AN OFFICER, YOU KNOW, DOING AN AREA CHECK AT THE PARK, ALL PREOCCUPIED, AND THEN SUDDENLY AN ALERT COMES IN, WE HAVE A HOMICIDE SUSPECT IN 89, A WHOOP, EVERYBODY DROPS THEIR NON-PRIORITY STUFF AND THEY CAN GO HANDLE THIS. SO IT'S REALLY HELPING STILL BEHIND THE SCENES WHEN OFFICERS ARE DOING OTHER THINGS. OKAY. SO IT'S A REPORT THAT THE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE TO GENERATE DATA AND KIND OF SHOW THE WINS, DETERMINE WHAT'S A WIN, AND IT'S NOT AUTOMATED SOFTWARE COMING FROM FLOCK. I GOT IT. AND I'M ASSUMING THAT AT SOME POINT TODAY AS WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DATA SHARING AND WHO'S IN THERE, BUT ALSO HOW OFTEN, BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU ME, BUT I'M ASSUMING IT'S YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT REPORT, BUT WE HAVE TO DECIDE HOW OFTEN CITY COUNCIL IS GONNA PERHAPS REVIEW THIS DATA OR REVIEW YOUR REPORT. DO YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL YET OF AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF REPORTING DATA AND THE WINDS OUT OF THE SYSTEM? YEAH, THE FLOCK SYSTEM ACTUALLY DOES HAVE SOMETHING, IT'S NOT AUTOMATED, BUT IT DOES HAVE A PORTAL THAT YOU CAN ENTER YOUR WINDS. SO WHEN AN OFFICER HAS A WIN AND SAYS, HEY, THIS WAS A WIN BECAUSE THE FLOCK SYSTEM HELPED US, THEY ENTER THE DR NUMBER AND THAT, AND IT PROVIDES A LIST OF, HEY, THESE ARE ALL, THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT WENT RIGHT FOR YOU IN THIS TIME AND THAT WE COULD PROVIDE, WE CAN ALSO PROVIDE, UM, NUMBERS SCANNED. UM, AND THAT SORT OF, YOU KNOW, DATA. WE COULD ALSO DO STATISTICS. YOU COULD LAY OUT STATISTICS OF THESE ARE ALL OUR WINS, THESE ARE OUR ARRESTS, THESE ARE OUR, THESE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAD DEMENTIA THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE, RIGHT? LIKE, SO THAT, THAT WILL HELP. IT ALSO HELPS US WITH, I KNOW WE USE THE CAR GETTING STOLEN, BUT HERE WE HAVE A LOT OF, WE HAVE A LOT OF PART-TIME RESIDENTS. THEY GO AWAY FOR SIX MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS AT A TIME. THIS HELPS WITH THOSE BLOCK WATCHES. SO IF WE SENT ONE OF OUR VOLUNTEERS TO CHECK A HOUSE AND THEY SAID, OH, THAT HOUSE IS BROKE INTO, WE COULD SEE WHAT KIND OF DATA WE HAD FOR THAT BURGLARY, JOE, BUT THIS WINDS THING ISN'T AVAILABLE FOR A MEMBER OF OUR PUBLIC TO LOOK. THIS IS A REPORT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GENERATE AND THEN RELEASE TO, TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND TO THE PUBLIC. AND DO YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL YET? HOW OFTEN AND HOW DETAILED YOU WANNA DO THAT? OR IS THAT TBD YET? SO IT'S TO BE DETERMINED. HOWEVER, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WE REALLY WANNA TRY A SIX MONTH TRIAL OF THE SYSTEM. THE WAY THAT IT IS SET UP WITH THE 30 DAYS AND SOME OF THE OTHER, THE OTHER ITEMS AT THE END OF THAT SIX MONTHS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT TIME FOR US TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, UM, GO OVER, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO THE WINDS REPORT. WE COULD, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH, UM, MORE INFORMATION ON, ON FAR AS, AS FAR AS THE SYSTEM. SO I WOULD THINK A SIX MONTH TRIAL, BECAUSE GETTING IT ONLINE, GETTING PEOPLE USED TO USING IT, SETTING UP THE AUDITS AND, AND THEN WORKING WITH OTHER AGENCIES. I THINK THAT FIRST SIX MONTHS WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO HAVE AT THAT POINT. I THINK WE COULD THEN GO FURTHER INTO IT TO SAY, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT AS A QUARTERLY REPORT OR HOW WOULD WE WANT IT, IT COULD BE INCORPORATED TO THE ANNUAL BUDGET AS FAR AS JUST LIKE WE DO FOR ALL OTHER, UM, STATS. SO I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS, ESPECIALLY IN IT, LIKE GETTING THIS PROGRAM UNDERWAY WOULD BE A GOOD FIRST MARKER [01:45:01] AND THEN WE COULD GO FROM THERE. AND TO WHAT THE COMMANDER MENTIONED ABOUT THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, THAT'S SOMETHING WE PROVIDE FREE OF CHARGE. UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO SEND AN EXAMPLE. UH, THE CITY OF BERKELEY, CALIFORNIA HAS AN EXCELLENT TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, UH, WHERE THEY PUT UP A LOT OF THE INFORMATION. UM, THEY FOUND A REALLY GREAT BALANCE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC PRIVACY. UM, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH, AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING WE PROVIDE FREE OF CHARGE TO EVERY COMMUNITY THAT WORKS WITH US TO INCREASE THE COMMUNICATION AND TRANSPARENCY. AND I THINK YOU COULD LOOK BECAUSE, UM, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THAT FLAGSTAFF PD, UM, RECENTLY HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THEIR SYSTEM THAT WAS ALREADY THERE. UM, AND THEN, UM, BROUGHT ON THE TRANSPARENCY, UM, APPLICATION FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC. SO, UM, THERE IS EVEN A CLOSER, UM, ORGANIZATION TO US THAT IF, IF WE WANTED TO LOOK TO SEE, UH, FLAGSTAFF PD HAS RECENTLY INCORPORATED THAT. YEP. OKAY. ALRIGHT, THAT'S, UH, MY QUESTIONS FOR YOUR HOT SEAT. ONE MORE THOUGH. UH, KURT, I'M GONNA DIRECT THIS TO YOU. UH, YOU IN THE PACKET, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A VERY NICE CONGRESSIONAL REPORT SERVICE REPORT ON THE LEGALITY AND THE, AND AND IT MENTIONED SOME IN THEIR LITIGATION. YOU MENTIONED SOME ABOUT LITIGATION, KURT IN ARIZONA. IS THERE CURRENT LITIGATION THAT'S SIGNIFICANT WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THIS KIND OF PENDING THAT MIGHT, MAY OR MAY NOT CHANGE HOW THE STATE THINKS ABOUT THIS STUFF? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCILORS AND COUNCILOR FURMAN, THERE'S NO CURRENT PENDING IN ARIZONA THAT I'M AWARE OF ALL THE CASES IN ARIZONA. AND, UH, THEN IN THE STATE AND FEDERAL, SO LIKE THE NINTH CIRCUIT, UM, SO FAR I'VE ALL CONCLUDED THAT THE LICENSE PLATE READERS, UM, ARE NOT SEARCHES WITHIN THE MEETING OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. UH, THE MOST RECENT CASE IN ARIZONA WAS, UH, THE COURT OF APPEALS LAST OCTOBER. UM, AND, AND IN THAT CASE IT WAS A, A, A DEFENDANT, UH, WHO WAS CHALLENGING HIS, UH, ARREST AND, AND SUBSEQUENT CONVICTION. UM, AND HE WAS, UH, UH, A LPR, UH, ASSISTED IN THAT, UM, TRACKING HIM DOWN AND CAPTURING HIM. AND SO HE CHALLENGED THAT AND THE COURT OF APPEALS SAID IT WASN'T A, A SEARCH AND THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT IN MAY OF JUST THIS YEAR DENIED REVIEW OF THAT. SO CURRENTLY, UM, UH, IT AND UNANIMOUSLY AND AT LEAST IN THE NINTH CIRCUIT IN ARIZONA, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A CASE THAT HAS FOUND THE LICENSE PLATE READERS IMPLICATE THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR KATHY, AGAIN, JUST TO, TO UNDERSTAND THIS, 'CAUSE THIS IS NEW TECHNOLOGY FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND. THIS IS ALL DONE IN REAL TIME, RIGHT? I MEAN, THIS IS LIKE, YOU, YOU CATCH THE, THE PLATE, THE PICTURE IS TAKEN, IT GOES IMMEDIATELY THERE. IT'S IN REAL TIME. IT, IT EITHER COMES UP WITH, THERE'S A HIT AGAINST A LIST OR NOT. IS, AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? CLOSE TO, I WOULD SAY ABOUT, UM, CLOSE, CLOSE TO REAL TIME BETWEEN 10 AND 20 SECONDS MAYBE. OKAY. BUT YEAH, SO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS A PROBLEM, AN AMBER ALERT, LET'S SAY, WE WOULD KNOW THAT WITHIN THAT VERY SHORT TIMEFRAME. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHY WOULD WE KEEP ANY OF THE DATA THAT DIDN'T HAVE A HIT? WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST IMMEDIATELY FLUSH THAT DATA? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND IT'S ONE OF THE, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN, UH, FOR A LOT OF THESE CASES, WHETHER IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, A AND YOUR, YOUR COMMANDER AND CHIEF CAN SPEAK TO THIS, THERE ARE MANY CASES THAT AREN'T REPORTED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME FOR VARIOUS REASONS, WHETHER IT'S DOMESTIC ABUSE, WHETHER IT'S ASSAULT, WHETHER IT IS, UM, ABDUCTION OR WHETHER IT'S A PARENTAL, UM, CUSTODY CASE, UH, WHERE A CHILD IS TAKEN BY A NON-CUSTODIAL PARENT. UH, AND THESE ARE CASES WHERE IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE BROADER INVESTIGATORY LEADS, WHICH IS WHERE THE ADDITIONAL DATA RETENTION, UM, COMES, UH, BECOMES MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE AND IMPORTANT. AND SO AGAIN, UM, IT IS PERFECTLY WITHIN THE PURVIEW TO SHORTEN EXTEND, UM, THERE, THERE IS AN INVESTIGATORY COST AS THE RETENTION PERIOD GETS SHORTER. UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE 30 DAYS AS A GENERAL BEST PRACTICE, IS THAT THESE DEPARTMENTS HAVE FOUND THAT THAT IS AN, AN EFFECTIVE BALANCE BETWEEN, UH, PRIVACY AND PUBLIC SAFETY THAT ALLOWS IT TO BE A SOLID INVESTIGATORY TOOL WITHOUT HOARDING ALL THE DATA ABOUT EVERYTHING FOREVER AND EVER. AND IT'S REALLY JUST SIMPLY PUT, UH, THERE'S A SIGN SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF VICTIMS THAT HAVE A DELAYED REPORTING RESPONSE, WHETHER IT BE TO A SEXUAL ASSAULT, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, UNTIL THEY CAN GET AWAY FROM THE SITUATION THEY'RE IN. SO WHEN THERE'S DELAYED REPORTING, THEN THIS ALLOWS US TO HAVE THAT BUFFER TO GO BACK IN TIME AND LOOK, IF IT WERE SHORTENED, IT WOULD HURT OUR INVESTIGATIVE CAPABILITIES TO GO BACK AND, AND CONDUCT SOME OF THE, THE RESEARCH OF WHEN SOMEBODY CAME INTO TOWN WHERE THEY MIGHT BE. UM, SO THAT'S REALLY WHY THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, CRIMES THAT GO ON THAT ARE DELAYED. I CAN EVEN JUST SPEAK TO FRAUD. SOMETIMES IT TAKES UNTIL SOMEBODY GETS THEIR BANK STATEMENT AT THE END OF THE MONTH, OR IF THIS ISN'T [01:50:01] SOMEBODY'S PRIMARY HOME AND THEY, IT'S THEIR SECONDARY AND THEY COME BACK AND THEN THEY REALIZE A BURGLARY HAPPENED THREE WEEKS AGO. UM, IT WILL HELP US INVESTIGATIVELY START CREATING A PERIMETER AROUND THAT AREA TO, TO FORM SOME LEADS TO GO KNOCK ON DOORS THEN AND SAY, DID YOU SEE ANYBODY THAT WAS AT THIS HOUSE? YEAH, THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS THIS GREEN TRUCK. AND, AND THAT GIVES US A LEAD TO START GOING TO, IF WE SHORTEN THAT TIME, WE'RE REALLY SHORTENING OUR INVESTIGATIVE ABILITY TO, TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME LEADS. AND, AND WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY IN THE NEWS, UM, SOME OF THE MAJOR CASES THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE NEWS WHERE THEY SHOW PEOPLE, THEY SHOW THE TIMELINE GOING ACROSS THE COUNTRY SO THEY CAN BACKTRACK TO SAY, HEY, WHERE'D THIS SHOOTER COME FROM? THOSE ARE FROM THAT TECHNOLOGY THAT'S SAYING, OH, YOU HIT THIS LPR AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THERE. SO THEY CAN BACKTRACK AND SAY, WHO, WHERE WERE YOU AT AT THIS TIME? WHO WERE YOU PLANNING IT WITH? SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE MAJOR CASES WHERE THEY BACKTRACKED, AND I KNOW THEY DON'T ANNOUNCE IT, THESE ARE LPR HITS, BUT THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT YOU'LL SEE THOSE BECAUSE THEY WERE TRACKING AFTER THE FACT. THEY WENT BACK AND SAID, WHERE WAS THIS PERSON A WEEK AGO? AND UM, CHANDLER, YOU SAID BEFORE THAT YOU, THERE WAS A CLIENT THAT HOLDS DATA FOR FIVE YEARS. WHAT IS THE SHORTEST TIMEFRAME THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF OF SOMEBODY HOLDING DA THAT YOU'RE HOLDING DATA FOR NOW? SEVEN DAYS. SORRY? SEVEN DAYS. SEVEN DAYS, OKAY. UM, I'M JUST, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT INNOCENT DATA, NOT A GOOD WORD, BUT, YOU KNOW, BEING HELD LONGER THAN NECESSARY. UM, OKAY, WE'LL GET BACK TO THAT THOUGH. SO THE LINKING AGREEMENT, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE, WE HAVE A CONTRACT, THE INFORMATION IS THERE, THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE A I'M GOING, THIS IS BACK TO THE DAISY CHAIN THING TOO. SO YOU, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH YOU, SOMEBODY ELSE HAS A CONTRACT WITH YOU. WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM DIRECTLY, BUT I'M STILL JUST NOT, MY CONCERN OVER THE PRIVACY ISSUES HERE ARE, ARE REALLY DEEP MM-HMM . HOW DO WE ENSURE IN THAT CASE THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THAT INFORMATION IS NOT GETTING FILTERED OUT THERE? I'M ABSOLUTELY PRIMARILY CONCERNED. IT'S, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO AGENCIES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE IF THIS INFORMATION IS, IS AGGREGATED, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOUR CLOUD, YOUR, YOUR SYSTEM IS AGGREGATING INFORMATION. PEOPLE HAVE HAD DIFFERENT ACCESS TO IT. WHAT ARE THE FIREWALLS? MM-HMM . WHAT ARE THE FIREWALLS SPECIFICALLY MM-HMM . SO ON, ON THAT NOTE OF HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF THAT SITUATION WERE TO HAPPEN? IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE WHAT THE AUDIT REPORTS, UH, AND I BELIEVE YOUR POLICY IS CALLING FOR QUARTERLY AUDITS. ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE, YOU COULD RUN AUDITS WEEKLY, DAILY IF YOU WANTED TO, UM, PER YOUR WHATEVER POLICY YOU WANT. IT SHOWS NOT ONLY THE SEARCHES THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT DOES, BUT IT ALSO SHOWS THE SEARCHES OF ANY, UH, PARTNER ORGANIZATION THAT YOU'VE SIGNED AN AGREEMENT, UH, SHARING AGREEMENT WITH. SO IF COTTONWOOD, UH, WAS TO RUN A SEARCH, UH, ON THE, ON THE CAMERAS HERE, THAT WOULD SHOW UP IN YOUR AUDIT REPORT. SO IF THERE WERE ANY SORT OF, UM, LEAKAGE OR IN THAT SENSE, UH, IT WOULD SHOW UP ON YOUR AUDIT REPORT AND YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO CATCH THAT, UM, AS, AS SOON AS YOU LOOKED AT THAT AUDIT. SO THAT'S THERE AS FAR AS THE FIREWALLS WITHIN THE AWS SERVERS UH, THERE, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO HOW, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF CITIES CURRENTLY USE, UH, THE AWS GOV CLOUD WHERE THE, UH, THERE'S A DESIGNATED SECTION FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA, HYPOTHETICALLY IN THIS CASE. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ALL USE IT, UM, VERSUS THE CITY OF COTTONWOOD. AND THOSE ENCRYPTION BARRIERS ARE THE SAME BARRIERS THAT WE, THAT WOULD BE BETWEEN COTTONWOOD AND, UH, AND SEDONA ARE THE SAME BARRIERS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE BETWEEN THE FOLKS THAT ARE, UH, UTILIZING FLOCK. BUT COULD SOMEBODY LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SUBPOENA INFORMATION MM-HMM . FROM THE SYSTEM THAT'S IN THE CLOUD, THEN? YEP. AND I MEAN, CAN SOMEBODY SAY, I'M THE BIGGER , I'M, I'VE GOT THE BIGGER BAT, YOU KNOW, I WANT THIS INFORMATION FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE. I MEAN, CAN THAT, HOW CAN WE REALLY PROTECT IT? THAT'S A REALLY VALUE. I'M REALLY APPRECIATIVE THAT YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION. 'CAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY IN OUR CONTRACT, UH, WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA, THAT IF WE RECEIVE A SUBPOENA FOR YOUR DATA, THAT WE IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY YOU AND IS PART OF OUR POLICY THAT WE INFORM ANY SUBPOENAING AGENCY THAT IT IS NOT OUR DATA. BECAUSE AGAIN, LEGALLY, THIS IS YOUR DATA UNDER A LAW. YOU OWN A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THIS DATA. AND SO WHAT WE DO IS WE TELL THE SUBPOENAING AUTHORITY IF, IF IT'S LIKE A, MAYBE A, A CLERK AND A COURT MISTAKENLY SENDS A SUBPOENA FOR EVIDENCE TO FLOCK INSTEAD OF TO YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. WHAT WE DO IS WE SAY, WE [01:55:01] DON'T OWN THIS DATA. YOU NEED TO TALK TO THE ADMINISTRATOR OF, UH, THE SYSTEM IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, AND THEY WILL RESPOND, UH, ACCORDING TO THEIR LAWS AND PRACTICES. AND THEN THIS IS A KURT QUESTION. SO WHAT WOULD BE OUR, UM, RECOURSE THERE? SO GENERALLY, UM, THE CITY COMPLIES WITH COURT ORDERS. UH, AND SO IF THERE'S A, A COURT ORDER SUBPOENA, WE'LL LOOK INTO IT AND WE GENERALLY FULFILL, UH, THOSE OBLIGATIONS. IF THERE'S A LEGAL BASIS TO, TO, OR BELIEF THAT THERE'S NOT OBLIGATION, THEN WE CAN ALWAYS CHALLENGE IT. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS INFORMATION THAT COULD BE TURNED OVER AGAINST OUR WILL, SPECIFICALLY TO AN AGENCY THAT WE ARE SPECIFYING, WE DON'T WANT INFORMATION SHARED WITH. AND ON THIS IS, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT CONVERSATION THAT THAT SHOULD, IT NEEDS TO BE HAD. AND, AND IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT IS THE CASE FOR EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF DATA THAT IS CURRENTLY WITHIN THE CITY OF SEDONA. UH, AND, UH, IT'S AGAIN, WHERE IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE FLOCK SYSTEM CONTAINS NO PII. SO IN A WORST CASE SCENARIO WHERE YOU ALL, MAYBE YOU GET A REQUEST FROM AN AGENCY THAT YOU DON'T AGREE WITH, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO CHALLENGE THAT THROUGH YOUR COURT IN WHATEVER WAY. UM, YOU DEEM PROPER, UH, IN REALISTIC, BY THE TIME THAT PROCESS IS DONE, THAT ONE PIECE OF A LICENSE PLATE AT A PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME, UH, HOW EFFECTIVE THAT IS, I, AS A NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSON, CAN'T SAY, IS, IS IT LESS EFFECTIVE THAN IF ANOTHER ASPECT OF YOUR INFORMATION IN SEDONA FOR A SUBPOENA, BE IT A, UH, A DRIVING RECORD, A WHETHER A GOVERNMENT AGENCY COMES IN SUBPOENAS FOR YOUR, UM, UH, PARKING INFRACTIONS THAT YOU WERE TALKING EARLIER. WOULD THAT ACTUALLY BE A MORE EFFECTIVE WAY? THAT IS, THAT IS A, THIS IS A BIG CONVERSATION THAT IS REAL, AND YOUR CONCERN IS REAL AT THE SAME TIME. THIS IS POINT IN TIME. THIS IS A POINT IN TIME IMAGE OF A VEHICLE, NOT OF A PERSON. UH, AND BY THE TIME THE PROCESS IS DONE, HOW USEFUL IS THAT? I, UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN SPEAK TO, BUT COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHER INFORMATION THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA IS CURRENTLY POSSESSING, UH, THAT COULD BE USED FOR THE PURPOSES, YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, A PIECE OF, A PICTURE OF THE BACK, OF A VEHICLE WITH NO PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION IS AT A GREATER RISK THAN THE CURRENT INFORMATION THAT YOU ALL HAVE ACCESS TO THAT IS ALSO POSSIBLE, COULD BE SUBPOENAED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. UM, THIS IS A, THIS IS A VALID QUESTION, UH, AND I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE. SO IN RESPONSE TO THAT, MY NEXT QUESTION GOES TO OUR CITY MANAGER. I THINK, UM, YES, IT'S A BIG CONVERSATION AND IT'S ONE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD BEFORE ENTERING INTO ANYTHING. BUT, BUT, OKAY, BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE WE ARE. SO WHAT RECOURSES WOULD WE HAVE IN ORDER TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS, HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING, KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT? I MEAN, I JUST, WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN PLACE. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE COLLECTING THE DATA, BUT THE DATA IS NOT BEING ACCESSED. THERE'S ONLY ONE AUTHORIZED INDIVIDUAL COMMANDER DOWELL. UM, SO IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE, BUT IT'S THERE. AND THEORETICALLY COULD STILL PROBABLY BE SUBPOENAED, RIGHT? UM, BUT, BUT WHAT IS OUR RECOURSE FROM HERE? IF, IF WITH THE, WITH MY LEVEL OF UNCOMFORTABILITY WITH THIS AND THE GA, THE LACK OF, OF PROCESS AND CONVERSATION, AND WE HAVE YET TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS TOO. UM, SO CART WENT BEFORE HORSE. HOW, HOW DO WE GET THIS BACK UNDER CONTROL? WELL, I GUESS MY RESPONSE IS THAT THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS CONVERSATION. IT'S NOT IMPLEMENTED YET. WE'RE NOT USING IT YET. I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHETHER A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO USE THIS. WE HAVE TERMINATION CLAUSES IN THE CONTRACT. THE CO THE CHIEF HAS PRO, CAN I FINISH SPEAKING? THANK YOU, . GEEZ. UM, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT, BUT WE'VE ALSO PROPOSED THROUGH THE CHIEF, YOU KNOW, A PILOT TO SEE HOW IT REALLY WORKS AND SEE IF ANY OF YOUR FEARS ARE MANIFESTED OR NOT. UM, BUT AGAIN, UH, AS I'VE MENTIONED TO THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE ASKED ME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING, UM, IF YOU HAVE TRAVELED OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF SEDONA IN YOUR CAR, YOUR LICENSE PLATE IS IN THE SYSTEM ALREADY. I SEE IT EVERY TIME I GO TO COTTONWOOD. I KNOW I'M BEING CAPTURED. THIS IS NOT NEW TECHNOLOGY. THIS IS, WE ARE ONE OF THE LAST TO USE THIS. UM, WE BROUGHT IT ON BOARD AS AN INVESTIGATIVE TOOL TO ASSIST OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT SIDEBOARDS THE COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN. UM, [02:00:02] AND IF THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL DECIDES THAT THIS WAS A BAD DECISION, WE CAN LIVE WITH THAT. WE CAN GO BACK TO NOT HAVING IT. UH, BUT I WOULD ASK YOU TO GIVE IT A CHANCE. UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SUBPOENAING US FOR ANYTHING. WE DON'T COOPERATE WITH 'EM. THE, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF DATA IN THIS CITY THAT IS EVERY DAY PEOPLE ARE DOING PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS, GAINING INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY. IT'S ALL DISCLOSABLE. YOUR DMV DATA IS NOT CONFIDENTIAL. ANYBODY CAN GO TO THE DMV AND GET YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION. THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME THROUGH US. THEY DON'T NEED THE LICENSE PLATE READER TECHNOLOGY TO DO THAT. YOU'RE ALREADY, ALL OF YOUR PERSONAL DATA IS ALREADY GOING TO PRIVATE COMPANIES USING THESE. THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. I GUESS I'M JUST, UM, ENCOURAGING THE COUNSEL TO PLEASE CONSIDER THIS AS A PROPER LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOL TO ASSIST RPD IN KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE AND NOT BEING A BUBBLE OR A DONUT HOLE, SO TO SPEAK, IN THE STATE WHERE PEOPLE KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THIS AND THEY CAN COME HERE AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FIND IT VERY EASILY. UM, BUT THE, UH, BUT WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE, HOLD, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE BACK TO COUNCILOR GONZALEZ'S QUESTION IS, UM, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS WHATEVER SIDEBOARD YOU WANNA HAVE AND IF YOU WANT THE PROGRAM TO GO FORWARD. OKAY. BEFORE YOU ANSWER, JUST HOLD ON ONE SECOND PLEASE. I'M GONNA ASK EVERYBODY TO PLEASE NOT CALL OUT. IT DISTRACTS US FROM UP HERE. EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. PLEASE. YOU CAN APPLAUD. WE'RE NOT CO STOPPING FROM APPLAUDING, BUT EVERY TIME SOMEONE SPEAKS, IT'S DISTRACTING. SO IT CAN ALSO BE USED TO INTIMIDATE SOMEONE WHO MAY HAVE A COMMENT LATER ON TO NOT SPEAK BECAUSE THEY'RE IN, IN OPPOSITION TO WHAT YOU FEEL. SO PLEASE GIVE EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY, SHARE YOUR COMMENTS LATER WHEN THEY'RE ALL PUBLIC AND THEY CAN ALL BE HEARD. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THAT'S A GOOD POINT, COUNCILOR KINSELLA. UM, SO WAIT, SORRY. THE OTHER THING THAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT IF A SUBPOENA WERE TO BE GIVEN TO US, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE WITHIN THAT 30 DAYS OF WHAT OUR RETENTION STORAGE IS. SO IT'S AN AUTOMATIC, IT'S, IT'S GETTING RID OF THAT DATA EVERY 30 DAYS. SO IT, THE SYSTEM'S GOING THROUGH AND PURGING THAT OUT. WE DON'T GO IN, WE DON'T HAVE TO HIT A BUTTON. IT'S ON 30 DAYS. IT PURGES IT AUTOMATICALLY. SO IF WE WERE TO GET A SUBPOENA, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE 30 DAYS OF THAT, THAT IMAGE THAT THAT CAME THROUGH. SO TO HELP TWO GOVERNMENT, IT FLUSHED MOVES PRETTY SLOW, FLUSH. UM, YEAH, ONCE IT'S FLUSHED, IT'S PURGED. WE, WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT. WE'RE NOT EVEN HITTING ENTER TO PURGE IT. IT'S ON AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM OF PURGING. OKAY. SO I, OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT ADDITIONAL INFO. UM, AND I KNOW YOU WANNA PIGGYBACK, BUT LET ME FINISH THIS ONE POINT. UM, I, WE'RE NOT AT THE POINT OF GIVING DIRECTION YET. WE HAVEN'T EVEN HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC. WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD COMMENTS. WE'RE STILL IN QUESTIONS, UNDERSTANDING. MY POINT OF MY QUESTION WAS TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT POTENTIALS WE MIGHT BE CONSIDERING. BUT THE CONCERN TO THAT IS THAT, AGAIN, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL EVEN RESOLVE IT TONIGHT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION, BUT, AND THERE'LL BE A LOT OF THINGS TO LOOK AT. BUT DATA'S BEING COLLECTED. IT'S NOT BEING USED, SO TO SPEAK, BUT IT'S STILL BEING COLLECTED AND IT'S AVAILABLE TO SOMEBODY. SO WOULD IT BE AN OPTION AS WE ARE GOING THROUGH DISCUSSIONS OR COMING UP WITH WHAT WE MAY WANNA FINALLY DO TO STOP COLLECTING THE DATA? WELL, I DON'T THINK THE DATA'S AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY RIGHT NOW. WELL, SO WELL, IT EXISTS 'CAUSE SOMEBODY HAS ACCESS TO IT. WELL, CHRIS HAS ACCESS TO IT FOR TESTING AND TRAINING PURPOSES, BUT WE HAVE NOT GIVEN ACCESS TO ANYBODY. RIGHT. BUT IF A SUBPOENA CAME IN TOMORROW THAT EXISTS, OR A LICENSE PLATE. OKAY. THE, UH, THE, THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS, CAN, THE QUESTION I IMAGINE IS CAN THE SYSTEM BE SHUT OFF, UH, WHILE YOU DELIBERATE? AND THE ANSWER IS YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT'S, THANK YOU. THAT'S, THAT'S A DIRECT ANSWER. OKAY. DEREK, IF YOU DON'T MIND. NO, BECAUSE HE WAS, UH, QUESTION FOR FLOCK. IS THE DATA EVER REALLY GONE? YES. I MEAN, I TALKED TO MY IT PEOPLE AND THEY SAY IF YOU TYPE SOMETHING ON YOUR KEYBOARD AND YOU SEND IT TO SOMEBODY, IT'S OUT THERE. YEAH. SO, UH, GREAT QUESTION. UH, THERE IS A HYPER SANITATION, UH, PROCESS THAT, UH, IS PART OF WHAT WE U UTILIZE IN AWS IS PART OF THE HIGHEST STANDARDS THAT THEY HAVE. I CAN, UM, LOOK UP QUICKLY THE ANAGRAMS AND THE ABBREVIATIONS FOR [02:05:01] IT. UM, BUT IT IS A, IT IS A, UM, GOVERNMENT LEVEL SAN SANITIZATION PROCESS OF THE DATA. OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE YOU DONE? UM, YEAH, I THINK I'M GONNA PASS ON FOR NOW. THANK YOU. OKAY, BRIAN. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. HEY, THE GOOD NEWS IS I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT. OKAY. UM, IN FACT, I NEED TO CHECK THEM OFF HERE. CHECKED OFF. GONNA COME TO THAT. CHECKED OFF. OKAY. UM, NEW HAMPSHIRE REQUIRES THE DATA TO BE FLUSHED IN THREE MINUTES. SO, I MEAN, I'VE HEARD YOU SAY MR. CHANDLER SEVERAL TIMES NOW, THE INVESTIGATIVE VALUE POTENTIALLY DIMINISHES BY SHORTENING THE WINDOW BEFORE THE DATA IS FLUSHED. SO IF THREE MINUTES IS THE LAW IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, AND YOU GUYS ARE SEVEN DAYS MINIMUM, I ASSUME YOU'RE NOT DOING BUSINESS IN THE STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE AT THIS TIME. CORRECT. OKAY. AND WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THEIR, UH, THREE MINUTE LAW? UH, I, I THINK, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL TELL YOU, UM, THAT IT IS, IT HINDERS THEIR INVESTIGATORY ABILITY. OKAY. SO I WANNA JUMP TO THE PACKET, PAGE 30, AND I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND READ THE, THE STATEMENT. IT'S IN REFERENCE TO QUESTIONS AND COMMUNITY CONCERNS. AND IT SAYS, FLOCK A LPR IS NOT A MASS SURVEILLANCE TOOL. IT IS A FOCUSED OBJECTIVE INVESTIGATIVE ASSET COVERED, GOVERNED BY STRICT DATA RETENTION POLICIES AND TRANSPARENCY PROTOCOLS. IT ENHANCES PUBLIC SAFETY WITHOUT COMPROMISING COMMUNITY PRIVACY. AND I KEEP COMING BACK TO THE, WITHOUT COMPROMISING COMMUNITY PRIVACY. AND MR. CHANDLER FLOCK SPEAK WOULD BE WITHOUT COMPROMISING COMMUNITY VALUES, I BELIEVE IS HOW YOU PUT IT. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE THE RUB LIES WITH MANY OF THE FOLKS SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY. AND I SUSPECT WE'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GO TO, UH, THE PUBLIC FORUM PORTION OF OUR MEETING. AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OF YOU ALL IS, YOU KNOW, BE PREPARED TO TAKE NOTE OF WHAT THE FOLKS IN OUR AUDIENCE SAY THEIR OBJECTIONS ARE, AND BE PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THAT ONCE THE UH, PUBLIC FORUM IS COMPLETED. AND FOR THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE, I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW, DO YOU VALUE THE SUCCESS STORIES THAT WERE SHARED? YOU KNOW, DO YOU VALUE THAT SOMEBODY WHO, UH, WAS INTENT ON COMMITTING SUICIDE, UM, ACTUALLY HAD HIS LIFE SAVED, UH, AS A OUTCOME OF THIS TECHNOLOGY? UH, SO I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THAT. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS YOUR ONE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT IF IT WERE, UM, SPOKEN TO, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL THEN, UH, ABOUT, UH, THIS PROGRAM? THE, UH, THE LAST PIECE, UM, THERE WAS A, UH, A THOUGHTFUL, UM, ARTICLE IN THE, UH, LOCAL PAPER LAST WEEK. UH, A GUEST PERSPECTIVE WRITTEN BY, UH, MR. M**K JAL, UH, COMMANDER, I BELIEVE YOU KNOW, HIM. UM, I FOLLOWED UP WITH HIM, HAD SOME BACK AND FORTH ABOUT, OKAY, WHAT ARE YOU REALLY, WHAT ARE YOU REALLY LOOKING FOR? AND HE CAME BACK WITH, UH, THREE ITEMS. AND I WANT TO GET AN IDEA OF HOW YOU, YOU KNOW, FEEL ABOUT THESE. AND WE'VE KIND OF COVERED THEM TO SOME EXTENT ALREADY. SO ONE IS DATA SHARING AND, AND I GUESS IF WE CAN SPEAK TO, WELL, I WANT TO KNOW THAT, THAT THERE IS CONTROL OVER THAT DATA SHARING. WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF BEATEN THE DAISY CHAIN THING TO DEATH AT THIS POINT, BUT THAT'LL BE A COMMENT, I GUESS. UM, DATA RETENTION WAS ANOTHER AREA, AND HE'S ASKING WHY 30 DAYS? AND THEN THE THIRD PIECE IS, UH, SUGGESTING THAT THERE BE, UH, AN A LPR CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT THAT OR HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT, THAT, UM, IF THAT WERE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL SAID, HEY, WE THINK THAT HAVING MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UH, BE PART OF A, UH, CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD SO THAT THERE IS SOME GREATER SENSE OF CONFIDENCE AROUND THE COMMUNITY VALUES OF, UH, DATA PRIVACY. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT CHIEF AND COMMANDER WHO WOULD DATA SHARING YOUR ATTENTION? RETENTION, AGAIN, THE RETENTION, UM, CAN, CAN BE MOVED TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU FEEL, WE FEEL WILL BE THE BEST FOR THE INVESTIGATIVE PURPOSES. THE DATA SHARING, AGAIN, IT, IT [02:10:01] DOESN'T HURT US NECESSARILY TO SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA SHARE WITH ANYBODY ELSE. WE CAN HAVE IT INTERNALLY AND BE GOOD WITH IT. WE CAN ALSO TAKE THOSE PHONE CALLS AND SAY, HEY, JUST LIKE WE DO WITH COTTONWOOD, CAN YOU HELP US WITH THIS? THAT'S NOT SHARING THAT DATA NECESSARILY OF HERE'S THE LICENSE PLATE, HERE IT IS. BUT YEAH, WE HAVE THIS VEHICLE THAT MOVES INTO OUR, IN OUR AREA, NO DIFFERENT THAN WE WOULD IF, YOU KNOW, WE STOPPED THE VEHICLE AND THEY SAID, HEY, IS THIS VEHICLE YEAH, WE STOPPED IT YESTERDAY FOR, FOR WHATEVER. UM, AND THEN I THINK THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS, AND, AND I'LL LET THE CHIEF SPEAK TO THE, THE, THE, UM, CITIZENS GROUP, BUT I THINK THE, UM, THE OTHER IS THAT TRANSPARENCY PORT, WHICH WOULD HELP WITH SOME OF THAT MM-HMM . TRANSPARENCY AND WITH THE CITIZENS, BECAUSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT TRANSPARENCY PORT SHOWS EVERYTHING THAT YOUR, YOU KNOW, EVERY AGENCY YOU'RE SHARING WITH HOW MANY THERE WERE, UM, RIGHT? MM-HMM. IT SHOWS THOSE, IT CAN SHOW WHATEVER YOU WANTED TO SHOW. SO YOU, YOU CAN ALMOST JUST DO IT AN OUTWARDLY FACING PAGE THAT SAYS EVERY SECOND IT DOES SOMETHING. IT'S RIGHT THERE. IT'S NOT, IT'S PURELY COMES OUTTA THE FLOCK SYSTEM. AND IT SAYS, HERE IT IS. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE INPUT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING, IT'S NOT DATA THAT WE CHANGE. SO I THINK THAT ALSO HELPS WITH, IF THAT WAS TO BE IMPLEMENTED, IT'S, IT'S NOT IN OUR HANDS. IT'S COMING FROM FLOCK. SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. I WOULD SAY, LET'S START WITH THE SIX MONTH PILOT THAT WE'RE GONNA, UM, IMPLEMENT AND GO THROUGH. WE WORK ON, YOU KNOW, THE WINS. WE ALSO WORK ON THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL. WE COME BACK AND THEN WE DETERMINE IF THAT'S STILL NEEDED TO HAVE A CITIZENS GROUP AT THAT POINT, BASED ON WHAT THE TRANSPARENCY APP WOULD SHOW. UM, THAT I THINK WOULD PROBABLY MEET A LOT OF THE, THE CONCERNS. IF IT WAS STILL THERE AS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO GIVE DIRECTION TO, THEN WE WOULD REMAIN OPEN TO, TO HAVE SOME CITIZEN GROUP TO, TO GO THROUGH WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHAT THAT IS. BUT I THINK THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL IS GONNA ACTUALLY GET AT WHAT, WHAT AL'S ALSO TALKING ABOUT. DO WE HAVE ANY MOCKUP OF THAT THAT WE CAN SEE? DO YOU HAVE A MOCK UP OF IT? OF THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL? MM-HMM . ABSOLUTELY. WE'LL SEND IT TO YOU. NOTHING THAT WE CAN GET UP HERE. UH, DO YOU WANT TO SHOW IT? IF YOU GOOGLE, UM, WHAT CITY WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I HAD IT FLAG FLAGSTAFF PD FLAG. YEAH. IF YOU, IF YOU GOOGLE FLAGSTAFF TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, UH, IT'LL SHOW UP. I KNOW IT'S GONNA AUTOMATICALLY UPDATE NOW . AND WHILE HE IS DOING THAT, I THINK PART OF WHAT WOULD BE GOOD TO UNDERSTAND IS, IS WHAT WOULD, UM, WHAT IS M**K, UM, DRAW REALLY HOPING TO GET AT BY HAVING THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD THAT WAY? I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER FOR US TO UNDERSTAND, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY THAT WE CAN ALSO GIVE THAT IN A, IN A BETTER COMMUNITY TRANSPARENCY PORTAL VERSUS HAVING THREE TO FIVE PEOPLE SIT ON A BOARD WITH US TO STILL GET THE WORD OUT. I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY FIND A BETTER WAY FORWARD FACING TO GIVE THAT. I THINK PUBLIC TRUST IS THE UNDERLYING REASON, AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE, THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL WOULD, WOULD OFFER THAT TO EVERYONE. BERKELEY, NOT, NOT JUST A, A SMALLER GROUP. ON THAT SAME TOPIC, IF YOU DON'T MIND, BRIAN, UH, UH, MR. CHANDLER. YES. HAS, DOES ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION IN YOUR, UH, UH, GROUPS OR THE CITY GOVERNMENTS, DO THEY HAVE ANY TYPE OF A CITIZENS GROUP? ABSOLUTELY. UH, I AND I, I SPEAK TO A LOT. UM, SOME OF THE, THEY COME BY DIFFERENT NAMES, NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR LPR, BUT PRIVACY ADVISORY BOARDS, TECHNOLOGY COMMITTEES, UM, THAT PROVIDE REVIEW AND FEEDBACK. AND DOES IT HELP WITH THE PUBLIC, UH, TRUST AT ALL? IS IT SUCCESSFUL IN WHAT IT DOES TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE? YEAH, I CAN, I CAN SAY YES. UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF 'EM. I TALKED TO THE BE OR NOT THE BERKELEY. THIS, THE, UM, SAN DIEGO PRIVACY COMMISSION. UM, THEY HAVE A LOT OF TECHNICAL EXPERTS ON THERE TOO. UM, HERE WE HAVE THE EXAMPLE OF THE BERKELEY, UH, CALIFORNIA TRANSPARENCY PORTAL. AND SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE IT HAS THE OVERVIEW, UM, PROHIBITED USES. IT CAN SHOW YOU THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES DETECTED IN THE LAST 30 DAYS. THE HOT LIST THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT, UH, USES, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CAMERAS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF SEARCHES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE LAST 30 DAYS. UM, THE FACT THAT HOT LIST HITS HAVE TO BE REQUIRED, UH, HAVE TO BE, ARE REQUIRED TO BE HUMAN VERIFIED PRIOR TO ACTION. AGAIN, ONE OF THE MISPERCEPTIONS OF FLOCK IS THAT IT'S SOME, UH, ROBOCOP THAT DOES THE INVESTIGATION, THE ARREST AND EVERYTHING. AGAIN, THIS IS A TOOL FOR YOUR, UH, TO PROVIDE ACTIONABLE LEADS FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT TO, TO USE. HAS THE ACCESS POLICY, UH, THE RETENTION POLICY, WHAT'S NOT DETECTED. UH, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE FACIAL RECOGNITION. THE CAMERAS DO NOT DETECT GENDER, RACE, OR PEOPLE. UH, AND AGAIN, YOU CAN ALSO HAVE, UH, THESE ARE ALL OF WHO BERKELEY, UH, SHARES THEIR, [02:15:01] UH, THEIR, THEIR ACCESS WITH, INCLUDING, YOU'LL SEE THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA. SOME CITIES, UH, WILL BE SHARING WITH HOSPITALS, UH, THAT ALSO HAVE FLOCK CAMERAS, UH, DUE TO THE, THE HIGH RISK NATURE OF HOSPITALS AND THE, UM, THE CHALLENGES THAT OUR HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS FACE, UH, AGAIN, PROHIBITED USES. UH, HERE YOU HAVE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, WHICH YOU ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT. BERKELEY ALSO PROHIBITS THAT. UM, AND, UH, PERSONAL USE, ALL THESE THINGS. SO THIS CAN ALL BE UPDATED AND CUSTOMIZED TO WHAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE AS WELL, INCLUDING SUCCESS STORIES. IF YOU WANT, BERKELEY HAS A LINK TO THEIR LPR POLICY AT THE BOTTOM HERE, SO ANYONE CAN LOOK AT IT. UH, BUT WE CAN ALSO INCLUDE THE, THE WINS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AS WELL. AND AGAIN, FREE OF CHARGE. THIS IS NOT AN ADDITIONAL COST. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR MELISSA. A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE ALSO BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED. UM, JUST A COUPLE. LIKE WE WERE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CONTRACT MM-HMM . AND, UM, I PULLED THIS FROM THE CONTRACT, SO YOU SHOULD TELL ME IF I'VE PLEASE GOT IT CORRECT, PLEASE. UM, THE CONTRACT STATES THAT THE AGENCY AGREES TO PRESERVE AND SECURELY STORE THIS DATA ON FLOCK'S BEHALF SO THAT FLOCK CAN DELETE THE DATA FROM ITS SERVERS. AND SHOULD FLOCK BE LEGALLY COMPELLED BY JUDICIAL OR GOVERNMENT ORDER, FLOCK MAY RETRIEVE THE DATA FROM AGENCY UPON DEMAND. IS THAT A CORRECT QUOTE? SORRY, WHAT, WHAT SECTION? WHAT SECTION OF THE CONTRACT IS THAT? UH, SECTION NINE, RECORD RETENTION. THANKS, KURT. ON PAGE 69 OF THE PACKET, I JUST, I HAVE THE CONTRACT UP, SO I WAS TRYING TO SEE, THERE'S JUST SOME IMPLICATIONS IN THAT STATEMENT. SO, AND SORRY, COULD YOU CITE THE SECTION ONE MORE TIME? 9.1, 9.1. WANNA MAKE SURE I AM A HUNDRED PERCENT. 9 0 9? I'M SEEING A NINE. I'M NOT SEEING A 9.1 IN THE CONTRACT. SO IT'S, ARE YOU ON THE LINCOLN AGREEMENT OR ARE YOU IN THE, THE COOPERATIVE PURCHASE AGREEMENT THROUGH TEMPE IS WHAT SHE'S REFERRING TO. DO YOU HAVE IT ON YOURS? OR WE CAN JUST, WE'RE IN THE LINKING. OH, YEAH. ALRIGHT. SORRY, I JUST, OH YEAH. SO I PULLED IT, REFERENCED THAT EARLIER. YEAH. SO THIS IS IN REGARDS TO IF, UH, THIS IS THE CITY OF SEDONA COMMITTING TO ABIDE BY YOUR EXISTING LAW. SO IF YOU DOWNLOAD, UH, IF YOUR AGENCY DOWNLOADS AN IMAGE FOR EVIDENCE, YOU ARE ABLE TO KEEP THAT, THAT DOES NOT GET DELETED AFTER 30 DAYS. 'CAUSE YOU NEED IT FOR AN ONGOING CASE. RIGHT. WHAT THAT SAYS IS THAT YOU AS SEDONA ARE AGREEING TO KEEP THAT PER YOUR LAWS AND REGULATIONS AND, AND STORAGE. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S CONFUSING TO ME BECAUSE IT SAYS HERE, SHOULD FLOCK BE LEGALLY COMPELLED BY JUDICIAL OR GOVERNMENT ORDER, FLOCK MAY RETRIEVE THE DATA FROM THE AGENCY UPON DEMAND, WHICH SAYS THAT, THAT IF THE GOVERNMENT COMES TO YOU AND SAYS, WE WANT ALL THE DATA, INCLUDING WHATEVER'S FROM SEDONA, IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT ON YOUR SERVERS, TECHNICALLY, WHATEVER YOUR SERVERS ARE, THAT YOU COULD GET IT FROM THE AGENCY, WHICH WOULD BE SEDONA POLICE. AND SO COUNSELOR DUNN, THAT WOULD, I MEAN, IT KINDA GOES BACK TO THE, THE SUBPOENA QUESTION. YEP. BUT IT'S ONLY IF WE HAVE IT, THERE ARE NO LAWS OR REQUIREMENTS FOR US TO PRESERVE THIS FOR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME RIGHT NOW THAT ARIZONA HASN'T ADOPTED ANYTHING STATEWIDE. THERE'S NOTHING, YOU KNOW, FEDERALLY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND SO IT WOULD ONLY BE, IF IT'S THE 30 DAY POLICY, IT'D ONLY BE IF WE HAD IT WITHIN THE, THE 30 DAYS. AND SO THIS WOULDN'T NECESSARILY EVEN COME UP IF IT, OR IF WE HAD DOWNLOADED IT LIKE, UM, IT WAS SAID EARLIER THEN, AND WE STILL HAD IT FOR AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION, THEN THAT COULD BE TURNED OVER IF, IF IT WAS THROUGH A COURT ORDER OR SUBPOENA. OKAY. SO LET ME, LET ME JUST REPHRASE THAT TO SEE IF I'VE GOT IT. SO WE HAVE SOMETHING OUT THERE CALLED THE AWS GOV CLOUD MM-HMM . AND FOR THE 30 DAYS, ALL OF THE DATA THAT'S COLLECTED BY FLOCK IS STORED ON THE, UH, GOV CLOUD MM-HMM . AND SHOULD WE DOWNLOAD ANY OF THAT INFORMATION TO PRESERVE IT BEYOND THE 30 DAYS? WHEREVER IT IS, WE WOULD KEEP IT, WHICH IS ANOTHER QUESTION. UM, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO REQUEST ANY DATA THAT WE HAVE DOWNLOADED FROM THE GOV CLOUD IF YOU'RE SUBPOENAED. UH, BUT AGAIN, AS PART OF OUR CONTRACT, WE ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO NOTIFY YOU AND WE REDIRECT THAT IF FLOCK WERE SIGNED A JUDICIALLY SIGNED SUBPOENA MM-HMM . OR GIVEN A JUDICIALLY SIGNED SUBPOENA, WE WOULD ALERT YOU OF THAT SO THAT THE CITY COULD TAKE ANY CORRECTIVE ACTION THAT THEY WANTED TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING. WHETHER IT'S A MOTION TO [02:20:01] QUASH OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THE MAY RETRIEVE IS LEGALESE, WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT RETRIEVE, BUT THIS IS LEGALESE TO COVER YOUR ASS, SO TO SPEAK. UH, YEAH. AS YOUR CITY ATTORNEY WILL SAY, A JUDICIALLY SIGNED WARRANT IS A JUDICIALLY ASSIGNED WARRANT. UM, BUT WE HAVE INCORPORATED IN OUR CONTRACT A MANDATE TO ALERT YOU SO YOU ALL CAN MAKE A DECISION ON HOW YOU WOULD WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT. AND WHAT WE DO COMMIT TO IS WORKING WITH YOU ON THAT AND NOT ACTING UNILATERALLY. AND THAT'S WHAT THE, THE EXPRESS, UH, CLAUSES IN OUR CONTRACT MANDATING, WE ALERT YOU, UM, KIND OF ENSCONCED IN OUR CONTRACT. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, KURT. LEGALLY, UM, LET'S SAY A SUBPOENA IS ISSUED, UM, AND OUR DATA HAS BEEN SUBPOENAED AND WE DON'T WANT THAT DATA TO BE USED FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE IT'S BEING SUBPOENAED. UM, DO THEY ALREADY HAVE THE DATA AND THEN WE TRY TO SQUASH THEIR SUBPOENA? OR ARE THEY NOT ALLOWED ACCESS TO THE DATA UNTIL IT HAS BEEN RESOLVED AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEIR SUBPOENA IS ENFORCED? SO THE LATTER. SO IF WE RECEIVE A SUBPOENA, UM, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE, WE GENERALLY COMPLY WITH SUBPOENAS UNLESS THERE'S A GOOD BASIS TO NOT DO SO. AND THAT COULD BE IF IT WAS, UM, THE TIMEFRAME'S UNREASONABLE. AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING ALSO I WAS THINKING OF AFTER ANSWERING COUNCILLOR KINSELLA IS, AT LEAST IN THE RULES OF CIVIL PROCEDURE, WE HAVE 14 DAYS GENERALLY TO RESPOND TO, UH, TO FILE A MOTION TO QUASH A SUBPOENA. SO IF THE DATA WAS MAYBE MORE AROUND THAT TIMEFRAME BE GONE BEFORE WE HAD TO EVEN RESPOND, UM, UH, BUT SOMETIMES THE TIMEFRAMES ARE SHORTER AND WE CAN OBJECT TO THAT, OR IF IT'S UNREASONABLE OR IF IT DOES, UH, REQUEST PROTECTED INFORMATION. UM, I HAVE NOT RESEARCHED WHETHER WE WOULD BE ABLE TO LEGITIMATELY PROTECT, UH, ARGUE THAT THIS IS PROTECTED INFORMATION UNDER ARIZONA PUBLIC RECORDS LAW. I MEAN, WE'RE, THIS IS THE LPR DATA IS NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD DISCLOSE GENERALLY, UM, BUT IF IT WAS IN A LAW ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY, UH, OKAY. SO, SO TO BE CLEAR, THERE'S NO ACCESS TO THIS DATA EVEN WITH A SUBPOENA UNLESS WE CHOOSE TO HONOR THAT SUBPOENA. CORRECT. OKAY. UM, YOU, YOU TOUCHED ON SOMETHING I ALSO HAD A QUESTION ON. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE IS NOT CURRENTLY ANY LAW, UH, WITHIN ARIZONA THAT REQUIRES LOCAL COMMUNITIES TO PROVIDE SUCH DATA TO THE STATE OR TO ANY OTHER FEDERAL AGENCY. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. BUT AGAIN, YOU GO BACK TO COURT ORDERS. UM, AND, AND, AND GENERALLY, WE'LL, WE WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE COURT ORDER UNLESS WE HAVE A BASIS TO, TO OBJECT TO THAT. OKAY. I'LL SAY THAT. BUT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, SHOULD THE LAW CHANGE WITHIN THE STATE OF ARIZONA REGARDING ANY DATA THAT IS COLLECTED TO CHANGE WHAT WE DECIDE WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT THE DATA THAT WE HAVE. JUST TO BE CLEAR. SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO CONTINUE WITH THIS SYSTEM. SHOULD WE BE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW IT MIGHT BE USED OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE INTEND IT TO BE USED? CORRECT. SO THE CITY HAS, NOT ONLY CAN IT CHANGE ITS POLICIES, THE CITY'S, UM, AGREEMENT WITH FLOCK HAS A TERMINATION FOR CONVENIENCE PROVISION. AND SO THE CITY COULD TERMINATE THE CONTRACT AT ANY TIME AND WOULD JUST SO FLOCK FOR THE EXPENDITURES AND FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE UP TO THAT POINT. OKAY. UM, THERE'S, ON THE SLIDE DECK, OR IN THE SLIDE DECK I SHOULD SAY, ONE OF THE LINES YOU HAD IS THAT, UM, TRANSPARENCY IS IMPORTANT, UH, FOR COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT. BASICALLY, IF YOU WANNA PULL THAT UP, THAT'S FINE. YOU WERE HEADED THERE. SO I THOUGHT I'D WAIT. WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, MY COMPUTER HAS FROZEN. IT'S STUCK. OKAY. WELL, HANG ON, I'LL FIND IT. I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE LAST SLIDES IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. UM, COMMUNITY DIALOGUE IS ESSENTIAL TO IMPLEMENTATION. THAT IS THE BULLET POINT THAT YOU HAVE UNDER QUESTIONS AND COMMUNITY CONCERNS. OKAY. SO THAT BEING CA THE CASE, UM, WHERE WAS THE PUBLIC OUTREACH REGARDING THE USE OF THESE CAMERAS IN THE COMMUNITY? WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN? HOW DID IT HAPPEN? WHO WAS INVOLVED? UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE, THE FIRST LINE THAT WENT OUT WAS, UM, IT WAS EITHER BY OUR PR TEAM, UH, TO THE NEWSPAPER. DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT OUR FIRST ONE WAS? I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK BECAUSE IT, I KNOW THAT, UM, EITHER WE REACHED OUT TO THE NEWSPAPER OR VICE VERSA, OR LAUREN [02:25:01] PUT OUT, UM, POTENTIALLY SOMETHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA. BUT I'D, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT THAT FIRST POINT OF CONTACT WAS. UM, BUT IT DOESN'T FEEL VERY ACTIVE. LIKE, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE WE ACTIVELY TRIED TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS AT ANY POINT IN TIME TO GET THE FEEDBACK EARLY AROUND WHAT PEOPLE WERE FEELING SO WE COULD ADDRESS WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD ADDRESS ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT. SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALK ABOUT OUTREACH WITH EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT. EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, WE ASK FOR OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY. IT FEELS LIKE WE FAILED HERE. IS THAT, SO IT'S, WE'RE WE'RE SORT OF DOING THIS BASS BACKWARDS IN, IN, IN MY OPINION. I'M SORRY, THAT'S A REALLY OLD TERM, YOU KNOW, I GOT IT. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS A REALLY OLD CROWD, SO YOU PROBABLY ALL UNDERSTAND IT. UM, SO IT FEELS LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT. WHEN I, WHEN I LOOKED AT YOUR, UH, TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, THAT'S JUST A WEBPAGE WITH SOME STATISTICS ON IT. IT'S NOT A TRANSPARENCY PORTAL IN MY OPINION. UM, WHEN I THINK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, I THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT IF I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW MUCH OF INFORMATION YOU HAVE ON MY LICENSE PLATE, I HAVE A WAY OF GOING AND FINDING THAT OUT. RIGHT? I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHERE IT'S BEEN SEEN AND, AND HOW MANY TIMES IT'S BEEN SEEN AND WHATEVER IT IS THAT FEELS TO ME LIKE THAT'S MORE AROUND TRANSPARENCY AT A PERSONAL LEVEL. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE DOING FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUESTS. IT SEEMS TO ME HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THAT WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS, I WANNA KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT MY VEHICLE, REALIZING YOU DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ME BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER I WAS EVEN DRIVING THE VEHICLE. ALL YOU KNOW IS THAT MY VEHICLE WAS SOMEWHERE. RIGHT? AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WITH TESLA SELF-DRIVING VEHICLES, IT JUST WENT FOR A JOY RIDE. UM, HOW ARE WE, IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS? IS THAT, WAS THAT COMPROMISE OUR ABILITY TO BE GOOD INVESTIGATIVE POLICE DEPARTMENT? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE? UH, JUST WONDERING HOW IT'S, WELL, I, WHEN, UH, MR. CHANDLER WAS TALKING AND, AND HE SHOWED THE BERKELEY I, IT IS CUSTOMIZABLE. SO WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE ON OUR TRANSPARENCY, UM, PAGE AND THEN REALLY WORK WITH FLOCK TO SEE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE PUT ON THERE? HOW DO WE NAVIGATE IT TO HAVE OUR OWN CUSTOM PAGE? I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S JUST ONE PAGE. I, YOU KNOW, WE COULD LOOK AT FLAGSTAFF'S AS WELL, AND I'M, I'M SURE THERE'S MANY OTHERS. I THINK IF WE HAVE NEEDS THAT WE WANNA SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS FOR OUR COMMUNITY, THEN WE WOULD BE CUSTOMIZING OUR OWN PAGE AND SEEING, UM, WHAT THE CAPABILITIES ARE THAT WE COULD PUT OUT THERE. UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ORIGINALLY GOTTEN WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, CAN A PARENT CALL AND ASK ABOUT IF THEIR KID WAS OUT PAST CURFEW, WHERE, WHERE THE VEHICLE WAS? AND WE WOULD NOT GIVE THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, AGAIN, REACH THE LEVEL FOR CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THAT WE WOULD GIVE OUT PERSONAL INFORMATION THAT WAY, EVEN IF IT WERE APPARENT. UM, SO I THINK PART OF THE DISCUSSION WOULD BE WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT FOR THE CUSTOMIZATION OF OUR TRANSPARENCY MODEL? AND CAN WE GET TO THAT LEVEL OF, UM, WHAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD WANT TO SEE? AND IS IT SOMETHING THAT CAN GO OUT BASED ON LEGALITIES? YEAH. AND I JUST WANNA POINT OUT TO WHOEVER MAY BE LISTENING, THAT IF YOU DO HAVE THE A THE ABILITY TO ACCESS WHAT INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR PLATE THERE IS IN THE SYSTEM, THERE'S NO WAY TO PROVE THAT IT'S YOU AND YOU WOULDN'T WANT ME NECESSARILY LOOKING UP WHERE YOU'VE BEEN WITH YOUR LICENSE PLATE. SO I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT THERE IS A GOTCHA WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW OPEN THE INFORMATION IS, AND WE REALLY NEED TO THINK THIS ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE VERY END AND NOT JUMP TO A CONCLUSION THAT MAY BE FALSE. SO I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT, THAT JUST MY SITTING HERE AND THINKING ABOUT IT, I CAN THINK OF ALL KINDS OF WAYS THAT I COULD MISUSE YOUR PLATE INFORMATION, WHICH I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT ME TO DO. SO, UM, AND, AND QUITE HONESTLY, I DON'T WANT TO DO SO, UM, I I JUST WANNA SAY AS, AS RESIDENTS AND AS CITIZENS, WE NEED TO REALLY BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THIS AND BALANCE OUT HOW MUCH OF THIS IS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HELP LAW ENFORCEMENT AND HOW MUCH OF THIS IS, UH, ABOUT OUR OWN NERVOUSNESS IN THIS CURRENT AGE IN WHICH WE LIVE. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT AS PART OF THIS CONVERSATION HERE. UM, SO I, LET ME SEE IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER THING THAT I HAD. I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SORT OF ASKED EVERYTHING. OH, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS AWS GOV. IS THAT A CLOUD THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY USE IS FLOCK? OR IS THAT A GENERAL CLOUD THAT'S USED BY LOTS OF DIFFERENT [02:30:01] COMPANIES FOR LOTS OF DIFFERENT REASONS? YEAH, SO A-D-F-A-W-S GO OF CLOUD IS USED BY MANY DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING MUNICIPALITIES AND GOVERNMENTS. OKAY. AND, UM, WE ALL KNOW CLOUDS OCCASIONALLY HAVE ISSUES MM-HMM . SO, UH, WHAT ABOUT BACKUPS? YEP. UM, HOW LONG DO YOU KEEP A BACKUP, ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE, YOU'VE GOT A BACKUP SO YOU DON'T LOSE ALL YOUR DATA? NO. VERY SMART QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, THE WAY AWS GOV CLOUD IS, UH, CREATED, THERE'S REDUNDANCY ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND DATA CENTERS. AND SO LET'S SAY A NUKE GOES OFF ON ONE OF THE DATA CENTERS, UH, ALL THE REDUNDANCY THAT HAS BEEN BUILT AROUND THE CLOUD WILL ENSURE THAT THE DATA IS NOT LOST, UM, OR COMPROMISED. AND SO, UH, YEAH, THERE'S SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT. OKAY. I THINK THOSE WERE MOST OF MY QUESTIONS AT THIS MOMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, DEREK, YOU WANT TO FINISH, UH, TAG, TAG ON, OR COULD I JUST A FOLLOW UP, UM, TECHNICAL QUESTION, I GUESS, DOES THE DATA PASS THROUGH ANY CITY OF SEDONA COMPUTERS IN ANY WAY THAT IT MIGHT NO, BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE THE GOVERNMENT LEVEL. YEAH. NO, THE ONLY, THE ONLY TIME, UH, THE IMAGE WOULD GO ONTO A CITY OF SEDONA DEVICE OR, UM, IN INTERNET IS IF YOUR AGENCY DOWNLOADED THE IMAGE FOR THE USE OF AN IN AN INVESTIGATION. OTHER THAN THAT, IT IS FULLY ENCRYPTED FROM WHEN IT IS RECEIVED, WHEN IT'S AT REST AND WHEN IT IS IN TRANSIT. OKAY. I EXPECT YOUR ABILITY TO DELETE STUFF IS PROBABLY BETTER THAN OURS. , I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. GOOD. OKAY. LEMME GET TO MY SCREEN. OKAY. UM, SO CAN YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE, UH, CHIEF YOU DON'T HAVE A MAP SHOWING THE LPRS, UH, SURROUNDING SEDONA, BUT YOU HAVE THAT, UH, SCREENS 14 AND 15, WHICH ARE PRETTY, UH, CLEAR. UH, IT DOES, I I DIDN'T SEE, I COCONINO ON IT, BUT THEY DO HAVE, UH, CAMERAS. WAS THERE ANY REASON THAT, ARE THEY BRAND NEW AND THAT'S WHY IT DIDN'T MAKE THE SLIDE DECK OR, UM, IT DIDN'T MAKE THE SLIDE DECK? I DO BELIEVE THEY'RE NEWER. WHEN I SAW THE ARTICLE, UM, AND I BELIEVE, UM, OUR CITY MANAGER ALSO ADDRESSED IT WITH THE RED ROCK NEWS. MM-HMM . BUT WHEN WE SAW THE ARTICLE, UM, IT HAD THAT OUR 12TH CAMERA WAS LOCATED AND IT GAVE THE IMAGE OF NEAR GRASSHOPPER POINT. UM, SO I, I KNEW THAT THAT WAS NOT OURS. OUR CAMERAS WOULD BE IN THE CITY LIMITS OF SEDONA. AND SO I STARTED MAKING A FEW PHONE CALLS. I CALLED ADOT, I HAD CALLED, UM, THE FOREST SERVICE, AND THEN I LANDED ON COCONINO COUNTY AND THEY SAID THAT IN FACT THAT WAS THEIRS. AND THEY DO HAVE OTHER CAMERAS, UM, THROUGHOUT THEIR, THEIR COUNTY. OKAY. SO AM I CORRECT IN THINKING IS MY QUESTION? UH, WE WE, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THESE CAMERAS UP, WE WOULD BE THE ONLY AGENCY CITY IN THE VERDE VALLEY THAT DOESN'T, I DON'T THINK CLARKDALE HAS THEM, BUT EVERYBODY MINUS, UH, CLARKDALE? IS THAT ACCURATE? I, I BELIEVE THE TRIBAL, UM, AGENCIES DON'T, AND UM, I DON'T BELIEVE CLARKDALE DOES CAMP JUST INSTALLED THEIRS, RIGHT. WITH A DIFFERENT COMPANY. UH, AND JEROME AND JEROME, WHICH THAT'S A, A HOLE ALSO. OKAY. UM, ANDY, WE DISCUSSED THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES THAT GO THROUGH OUR CITY ON A GIVEN DAY. DID YOU HAVE A NUMBER? WELL, WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR DATA RIGHT NOW RE UH, REFERS TO UPTOWN, AND THIS IS GOING BACK TO THE, UM, TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WE DID AS PART OF THE UPTOWN PARKING ANALYSIS. UH, LET ME PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK. UM, SO I GUESS YOUR QUESTION IS HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE PASSING THROUGH THE CITY IN A GIVEN DAY IN THAT AREA, AND AN AVERAGE? SO PASSING THROUGH, IT'S ABOUT, UH, LET'S SEE, ABOUT 2020 2000. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WITH 22,000 CARS GOING THROUGH, OF COURSE, CHIEF, I DON'T, AND I'VE BEEN ALWAYS TOLD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A BAD GUY LOOKS LIKE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT A TOURIST LOOKS LIKE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT A RESIDENT'S CAR LOOKS LIKE. OKAY. BUT IF IT'S A, IF A BAD GUY'S GOING THROUGH SEDONA, 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE CAMERAS, WOULD YOU THINK THAT THAT'S A, UH, DEFICIT TO US AND, AND HOLDING YOU BACK FROM DOING YOUR JOB? I THINK THIS IS, UH, A GREAT TOOL FOR [02:35:01] US. ON THE FLIP SIDE, I, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS HELPS OUR POLICING. UM, AND IT'S ALREADY, UM, BEEN SHOWN BY OTHER DEPARTMENTS, UM, THAT ARE IN OUR AREA THAT HAVE BEEN UTILIZING THIS, UM, FOR MUCH LONGER. UM, COTTONWOODS OUR CLOSEST NEIGHBOR THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, UM, PIGGYBACK ON AND, AND HELP IN INVESTIGATIONS AS FAR AS UTILIZING THEIR LICENSE PLATE READERS. SO A LOT OF THE SUCCESS STORIES REALLY COME FROM THE INFORMATION THEY WERE GIVING US THAT WAS COMING INTO OUR CITY. SO THAT HELPS BECAUSE LIKE MOST OF YOU KNOW FROM THAT, THAT BIG CHURCH NEAR COVILLE IN 89 A, THAT'S ABOUT DEPENDING IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEED LIMIT OR NOT, 15 TO 20 MINUTES OF AN ALERT THAT WE GET THAT SOMETHING'S COMING INTO OUR TOWN. SO WE'RE MAKING THIS MUCH BETTER BY DOING ALL OF OUR ENTRY POINTS INTO TOWN SO THAT WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, BETTER TIMING FOR, FOR FLOODING AN AREA OF SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW IS DANGEROUS OR, UM, SOMEBODY THAT'S BEEN ABDUCTED. IT, IT REALLY HELPS US. SO I WOULD, I WOULD JUST FLIP IT. I THINK THIS IS, IS A REALLY GOOD TOOL. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, TO WATCH OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE A LOT OF SUCCESS IN THIS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND FROM ALL THE OTHER AGENCIES. SO THAT'S WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, MY, MY ASK IS TO TRY AND HAVE THIS AS A PILOT PROGRAM FOR SIX MONTHS THAT WE CAN COME BACK TO AND LOOK AND SEE IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY NEEDED IN OUR CITY? BUT AS FAR AS WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SEEN, THIS IS WHY IT IS HERE BECAUSE WE COULD ALREADY SEE THE NEED FOR IT AND THE SUCCESS OTHER AGENCIES WERE HAVING. SO I'VE RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS. I'M SURE THE COUNSELOR HAS ALSO, SOME OF US HAVE RECEIVED DIFFERENT EMAILS, BUT, AND WHICH I APPRECIATE. BUT, UH, SEVERAL PEOPLE WROTE TO ME SAYING THAT SEDONA CRIME STATS ARE DOWN, SO WHY DO WE NEED LPRS CHIEF? CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? WELL, I'M NOT SURE, UM, HOW MUCH I WOULD PUT TO THE CRIME STATS ARE DOWN. I I THINK THIS COULD ALSO SHOW WHAT CRIMES WE'VE BEEN MISSING AS WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO, UM, DO ADVANCED INVESTIGATIONS OR FURTHER INVESTIGATIONS TO KEEP MORE CRIME OUT OF OUR TOWN. SO IN, IN SOME WAYS I HOPE THIS DETERS PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO COME HERE TO ESCAPE FROM OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE THE CAMERAS, BECAUSE BY NOT HAVING THEM, WE'RE ALSO INVITING PEOPLE INTO OUR TOWN. SO FOR ME, I, I WOULD HOPE THIS ACTUALLY HAS THE FLIP SIDE WHEN WE'RE GONNA SEE CRIME CONTINUE TO GO DOWN VERSUS INCREASE. BUT I IMAGINE FOR MOST THINGS WE'LL SEE AN INCREASE BEFORE WE SEE THE DECREASE BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA REALIZE THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW. AND IF I COULD, MAYOR YEAH, PLEASE. UM, I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A CONTINUING CONVERSATION ABOUT EFFICACY, UM, AND WHATNOT, WHICH IS IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS. AND I THINK CRIME RATES IS ONE OF THOSE VERY IMPORTANT PIECES. ANOTHER VERY IMPORTANT PIECE IS CLEARANCE RATES. UM, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE, UH, INFORMATIVE TO LOOK AT THE FACT, UM, THAT LESS THAN 50% OF ALL MURDERS ARE SOLVED. UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT CAR CRIMES, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY SOLVED? SO YOU GET THE ALERT, YOU KNOW THE CRIME HAPPENED, BUT HOW MANY TIMES YOU ACTUALLY FIND OUT WHO DID IT. UH, AND THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS, UH, DISTRICT ATTORNEYS AND EVEN DEFENSE ATTORNEYS, UM, ACROSS THE COUNTRY, SUPPORT FLOCK BECAUSE IT PROVIDES THE ACTIONABLE EVIDENCE, NOT JUST TO HOLD THE BAD GUYS ACCOUNTABLE, BUT TO FREE THE GOOD GUYS. UH, TO SAY LIKE, NO, I ACTUALLY WASN'T THERE AT THAT TIME AND THIS PERSON WAS. AND UM, I THINK, UH, THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT WAYS TO MEASURE, UH, THE SUCCESS OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS. BUT I ALSO VERY MUCH ENCOURAGE YOU TO SEE OF ALL THE CRIMES THAT ARE HAPPENING, HOW MANY ARE ACTUALLY HAVING SOMEONE BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT CRIME AND PROSECUTED SUCCESSFULLY. OKAY. PETE, YOU UH, I'M DONE WITH MY QUESTIONS, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO, OH, I WANTED TO JUST TAP INTO THAT. YEAH, NO, GO AHEAD. I'M WONDERING WHETHER THERE'S ANY DATA STORIES, MAYBE ANECDOTAL AT THIS POINT OF, YOU KNOW, CRIMINALS SEEKING OUT PLACES WHERE THERE AREN'T LICENSE PLATE READERS. HAS THAT DATA BEEN GENERATED? ANY, HAS FLUX SEEN? I I HAVE NO DATA SPECIFIC TO THAT AND, AND FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT, IS THERE STORIES OUT THERE OR DATA OUT THERE THAT YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF? UH, I'M NOT SURE WE WOULD, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE'D CAPTURE THAT OTHER THAN ASKING THE BAD GUY, HEY, YOU KNOW, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT UM, WE KNOW THROUGH OUR PROFESSION THAT BAD GUYS, PEOPLE WHO WANNA DO BAD LOOK FOR THE WEAKEST LINK, THEY LOOK FOR THE WEAKNESS AND THEY'RE GOOD AT THAT. AND I KNOW FROM WORKING DRUG CASES THAT THEY WILL MOVE FROM ONE HIGHWAY TO ANOTHER BECAUSE THEY WANT TO AVOID CERTAIN CONTACTS. NO DIFFERENT THAN I 17 DRUG TRAFFICKERS WILL GO I 17 AND THEN THEY'LL FLIP TO 89 A BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A TASK FORCE ON I 17. SO WE KNOW THEY LOOK FOR THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE. SO I WOULD SAY THAT IT PROBABLY WOULD BE THE SAME THING WITH DOVETAIL UNDER THIS BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY KNEW OR DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD THIS, [02:40:01] IT WOULD AFFECT WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THEIR DECISION MAKING ON WHAT THEY WOULD DO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO THANKS. SO YOU JUST BROUGHT UP AN INTERESTING POINT, CHIEF, IF IT'S OKAY, CAN I TALK TO THE COMMANDER? ALRIGHT. UM, I ATTENDED A HUMAN TRAFFICKING, UH, MEETING, UH, BACK IN JUNE AND IT WAS VERY HIGH LEVEL DISCUSSION. UH, BUT THEY TALKED ABOUT, UH, DPS TRACKING PEOPLE, UH, HUMAN TRAFFICKERS OR KIDNAPPERS, WHATEVER. OKAY. ON 17. SO WITH THAT INFORMATION THAT THEY SHARED, I WOULD ALLUDE TO THE FACT THAT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS 21ST CENTURY OR MAYBE 20TH CENTURY, 'CAUSE IT'S BEHIND THE TIME, WE MIGHT BE A TARGET FOR PEOPLE TO DRIVE THROUGH OR PARK AND STAY. UH, I'M NOT GONNA ALLUDE TO AS TO WHERE, BUT THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION OF DIFFERENT PLACES IN SEDONA WHERE THEY COULD STAY, UH, THAT WOULD BE A, A, A DEFICIT FOR US. WOULD YOU AGREE? YEAH. AGAIN, I THINK, I THINK, UM, PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO, YOU KNOW, CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, FIND, FIND WHERE THEY CAN DO IT THE EASIEST AND WE KNOW THAT THEY TYPICALLY PREY ON, ON THE, THE EASIER SITUATION. OKAY. I MEAN, IF THERE'S A DOOR OPEN, IF I HAVE TWO CARS NEXT TO EACH OTHER, ONE'S GOT THE LOCKED DOOR AND ONE HAS AN UNLOCKED DOOR, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA GO TO THE UNLOCKED DOOR. 'CAUSE THAT ONE'S EASIER. OKAY. I WOULD AGREE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE. OKAY. THAT'S MY FINAL QUESTION FOR NOW. I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS, UH, BUT HOLD TILL LATER. YOU HAVE END THE QUESTION. YEAH. THEN WE WANNA MOVE SOMETHING YOU SAID. OKAY. UM, SO, SO JUST FOR CLARITY FOR EVERYONE TO HEAR, THESE CAMERAS ARE ON PUBLIC ROADS POINTED AT PUBLIC ROADS. THEY ARE NOT ON PRIVATE ROADS 'CAUSE WE HAVE A FEW OF THOSE IN TOWN, NOR ARE THEY POINTED AT DRIVEWAYS OR IN ANY WAY POINTED AT A PRIVATE RESIDENCE, YES OR NO? IT'S A YES OR NO QUESTION SORT OF. I THINK THE ANSWER IS NO. WE, THERE'S NOTHING THAT FOCUSES ON ANYTHING THAT'S PRIVATE. OKAY. SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT POINTS TO PRIVATE PROPERTY. OKAY. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYONE THAT, THAT THESE ARE ALL ON PUBLIC STREETS AND THEY'RE ALL POINTED AT PUBLIC STREETS. UM, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE A REALLY CLEAR POINT TO A STATEMENT THAT YOU, YOU MADE. UM, IF I WERE A DEFENSE ATTORNEY AND I'M NOT, SO I'M JUST GONNA STARE AT KURT, HE'LL TELL ME WHY I'M WRONG. BUT ALL THIS WOULD TELL ME IS WHETHER OR NOT MY VEHICLE WAS AT THE SCENE OF A CRIME, NOT WHETHER I WAS AT THE SCENE OF A CRIME. MM-HMM . SO AGAIN, NOT LINKED TO WHO WAS IN THE CAR BECAUSE NO IMAGERY IS TAKEN. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ONE LAST THING. YOU JUST REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING I SHOULD HAVE ADDED TO, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM SOMETHING THAT CHIEF OR COMMANDER, EITHER ONE OF YOU SAID, LICENSE PLATES ON CARS. DO THEY, WE, WHILE WE PAY FOR REGISTRATION FEE, WHATEVER, WHO DO THEY BELONG TO? THEY BELONG TO THE STATE. SO WHAT'S THAT? THEY'RE A PUBLIC DOCUMENT. IT'S A PUBLIC DOCUMENT. RIGHT. SO NO DIFFERENT THAN ACCESS TO ANY PUBLIC RECORD. RIGHT? I JUST WANT TO BE SURE. ALRIGHT. UH, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE OUT THE QUESTIONS. ANYBODY WANNA TAKE A QUICK BATHROOM BREAK BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO, UH, TEN FIVE. FIVE FIVE? OKAY. WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. OKAY. CAN I ASK EVERYBODY TO PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS? WE WANT TO MOVE RIGHT ALONG. ALL RIGHT. HERE, WE, WELL JUST BETWEEN YOU AND ME, WE MADE A MISTAKE JUST WAITING FOR THE CHIEF. OKAY. UM, COMMAND, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU YOU RECEIVED THIS OR NOT. I JUST WANT TO STOP FOR A SECOND AND UPDATE EVERYBODY HERE ABOUT A FIRE THAT'S IN THE VOCA FOREST FIRE. IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY HEARD, LEMME JUST GIVE YOU THE LATEST INFORMATION AS OF, WELL, AN HOUR AGO FROM ALEX SCHLUTER, WHO'S OUR FOREST RANGER. UH, JUST LAST HEARD THAT WOODS FIRE, WHICH HAS BEEN, THAT'S THE NAME HAS BEEN GIVEN, WAS UP TO, UH, 50 ACRES, BUT IT'S LIKELY A BIT LARGER WHILE NOT CURRENTLY THREATENING ANY STRUCTURES. AIR TANKERS WERE DROPPING RETARDANT, UH, ON THE SLOPE NEAREST VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK IN CASE THE FIRE DOES HEAD THAT WAY. WE HAVE MULTIPLE ENGINE CREWS ON, UH, THE FIRE UP ON THE FIRE AND THERE WAS A HOTSHOT CREW HEADED TO THE FIRE. NOW THAT'S ALL I HAVE AS OF RIGHT NOW. NOBODY'S IN, UH, IN THE READY, SET GO MODE. [02:45:01] NO, NOBODY'S BEEN TOLD TO GO. YOU HAVE MORE COMMANDER MAYOR, I CAN GIVE YOU THE SET LEVELS. YEAH. SET LEVEL TWO EVACUATION IS YCU 1385. 13 88, 13 91, 13 94. 1397. FOURTEEN HUNDRED AND FOURTEEN OH THREE ARE ON SET. OKAY. AND THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU, IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY THAN WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE YEAH. BY COUNTY, WHICH IS WHAT THE COMMANDER'S ALLUDING TO WITH THOSE, UH, NUMBERS. SO THAT'S ALL PART OF THE EMERGENCY PLAN THAT YOU GUYS WORKED ON. SO, UH, OKAY, LET'S GET STARTED UP. UH, I'M GONNA ASK RICHARD KOZAK TO START AND SAY THAT, UH, AT, AT YOUR CHOICE IF, UH, THE PERSON OR PEOPLE BEFORE YOU HAD THE EXACT SAME THING TO SAY YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU DO LIKE IT, WHATEVER, IF YOU CAN, WHEN WE CALL YOUR NAME, BECAUSE WE'RE UP TO 15 PEOPLE AND EVERYBODY WILL BE HEARD. BUT IF YOU CAN SAY, I AGREE WITH THAT GUY, OR I DON'T AGREE. WELL, NO, I AGREE WITH THAT GUY. DON'T SAY I DON'T AGREE, BUT I AGREE WITH THAT GUY. AND THEN, UH, IF YOU, IT'S YOUR CHOICE TO SIT DOWN OR NOT. UH, IF YOU CHOOSE NOT, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY HEAR YOU. SO, UH, RICHARD WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SANDY BOYCE. RICHARD, YOU HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTES, UH, YOU SEE THE CLOCK ON THE WALL, STOP WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE NAME IS RICHARD KOZAK FROM FLAGSTAFF. JUST HAVE, UM, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. UM, I THREW OUT MY WRITTEN NOTES, SO PARDON ME IF I PAUSE FOR A FEW SECONDS AND RECOLLECT MY THOUGHTS. MY PRIMARY CONCERNS ARE THESE, AND ONE IS, YOU KNOW, I I DO NOT DOUBT THE, UH, THE GOOD INTENTIONS OF ALL THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM. COUNCIL, LAW ENFORCEMENT, MY CONCERN IS SOMETHING THAT TENDS TO HAPPEN WITH ANY NEW TECHNOLOGY IS SOMETIMES IT TAKES ON A LIFE OF ITS OWN. AND, UM, THAT'S THE THING THAT MOSTLY CONCERNS ME. AGAIN, NO MATTER HOW MANY GUIDELINES YOU PUT ON, NO MATTER HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN IN THE CONTRACTS, THINGS CAN HAPPEN AS, UH, COUNCILOR KINSLER ALLUDED TO AT ONE POINT IS WHAT HAPPENS IF, SAY, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNMENT GOVERNOR SAYS, NO, YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THE DATA FOR OH, A YEAR INSTEAD OF 30 DAYS. WHAT IF THE PRESIDENT SAYS, OH, I WANT THE FBI TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT YOUR DATA ONCE THIS THING HAS STARTED. UH, WHO'S GONNA STAND UP AND SAY, YOU KNOW, ANYONE HERE GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, I'LL RISK MY JOB TO SAY NO TO THE GOVERNOR, OR I'M GONNA SAY NO TO THE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. HOW DO YOU CALL THIS THING BACK? IS THIS CITY COUNCIL OR SOME FUTURE CITY COUNCIL GOING TO SAY, WELL, WE'LL JUST PULL THE, THE CAMERAS OUT. YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S A SERIOUS THING WHEN YOU HAVE TO FIGHT THAT KIND OF POWER. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY PRIMARY CONCERN. MY OTHER, UH, THING THAT THAT SURPRISED ME WHEN I CAME DOWN, AS I MENTIONED I'M FROM FLAGSTAFF, IS I CAME DOWN BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED TO FIND OUT WHAT THIS, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS, THIS KIND OF, UH, TECHNOLOGY. AND ONLY TO DISCOVER THAT, UH, FLAGSTAFF ALREADY HAS IT. I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE. NOW, MAYBE I LIVE UNDER A ROCK UP THERE IN FLAGSTAFF. MAYBE I'M, I KEEP MYSELF REALLY BUSY. BUT, UH, I, I LEARNED ALSO THAT IT BECAME A, IT WAS A SURPRISE TO, TO THE SEDONA RESIDENTS TOO. NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS ANY KIND OF A CONSPIRACY, BUT I WILL, WHEN I GO BACK HOME, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AND I'LL SEE. BUT I AM CONCERNED IF THESE THINGS ARE APPEARING SUDDENLY WITHOUT THE FULL CONSENT AND, UH, DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. SO THOSE ARE MY BASIC CONCERNS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU RICHARD. I APPRECIATE IT. ALRIGHT. SANDY BOYCE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY RANDY CRUZ. UH, SANDY, THREE MINUTES START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE PLEASE. GREAT. MY NAME IS SANDY BOYCE. I LIVE IN SEDONA. UM, I WANNA THANK THE MAYOR AND THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE INSTITUTE FOR JUSTICE, THE CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY AND JUDICIAL WATCH FOR THEIR SUPPORT. UM, SO I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA FOR 26 YEARS. I MANAGED OUR FAMILY BUSINESS FOR 31 AND I RETIRED IN 2020. AND I'M HERE TO ASK COUNSEL TO STOP THE IMPLE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FLOCK SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS. HAVE THEM ALL REMOVED AND HALT ANY FURTHER INSTALLATION OF CAMERAS IN THE CITY. FIRST, IT IS NOT TARGETED POLICING. IT'S MASS SURVEILLANCE THAT TREATS EVERY RESIDENCE LIKE A SUSPECT. THE INSTITUTE FOR JUSTICE RECENTLY FILED A CONSTITU CONSTITUTIONAL LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY OF NORFOLK, VIRGINIA FOR USING FLOCK'S CAMERAS. CHIEF JUDGE DAVIS REJECTED THE CITY'S MOTION TO DISMISS THE LAWSUIT CITING THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT CASE CARPENTER V UNITED STATES, WHICH HELD THAT USING CELL PHONE LOCATION DATA TO TRACK SOMEONE'S MOVEMENT REQUIRES A WARRANT UNDER THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. WHILE CARPENTER DEALT WITH CELL PHONE DATA, ITS REASONING IS HIGHLY RELEVANT TO A LPR SYSTEMS. SECOND, THE ILLEGAL USE OF MASS DATA BEING COLLECTED IS A HUGE PROBLEM. FOLLOWING REPORTS OF FLOCK'S DATA SHARING WITH IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT, ICE AND ABORTION RELATED SEARCHES, ILLINOIS LAUNCHED AN INVESTIGATION INTO [02:50:01] WHETHER LOCAL POLICE VIOLATED STATE LAWS. BY SHARING A LPR DATA ACROSS JURISDICTIONS. THE SAN DIEGO POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS COME UNDER FIRE FOR WORKING WITH ICE, EVEN THOUGH CALIFORNIA LAW PROHIBITS LOCAL POLICE FROM SHARING A LPR DATA WITH OUTSIDE LAW REINFORCEMENT ENFORCEMENT. THE CITY OF SCARSDALE, NEW YORK, EXCUSE ME, RECENTLY TERMINATED ITS CONTRACT WITH FLOCK FLOCK SAFETY. AFTER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY SIGNED A PETITION URGING THE CITY TO END THE CONTRACT. AND THIRD, INSTALLING THESE CAMERAS WON'T PREVENT CRIME. INSTEAD, IT WILL DIVERT TAXPAYER DOLLARS FROM REAL NEEDS LIKE ROAD REPAIR AND OTHER COMMUNITY SERVICES THAT ACTUALLY BENEFIT OUR RESIDENTS. THE IMPLE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS SURVEILLANCE APPARATUS PUTS THE CITY OF SEDONA AT RISK FOR LITIGATION AND FINES. OTHER CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY ARE REMOVING THESE CAMERAS AS THEY LEARN MORE ABOUT THEM. I THINK THE CITY OF SEDONA SHOULD DO THE SAME. OKAY, THANK YOU SANDY. RANDY CRUZ WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ED CUTLER. ED, YOU ARE STILL HERE. OKAY. MY NAME IS RANDY CRUZ. I'M A CITY OF, UH, RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF SEDONA. I'M HERE TODAY TO URGE YOU TO RECONSIDER THE USE OF AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READERS IN SEDONA. WHILE THESE SYSTEMS ARE OFTEN JUSTIFIED AS TOOLS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, THEY ALSO CREATE VAST PERMANENT DATABASES OF PERSONAL TRAVEL PATTERNS, DATABASES THAT COULD BE USED TO BE EXPLOITED UNDER THE WR WRONG POLITICAL CLIMATE. WE LIVE IN UNCERTAIN TIMES. IF THE CURRENT OR FUTURE ADMINISTRATION, ESPECIALLY ONE HOSPITAL, HOSTILE TO IMMIGRANTS COMMUNITIES, OR WILLING TO WEAPONIZE SURVEILLANCE OR TO DEMAND THIS DATA, SEDONA COULD BE PRESSURED OR EVEN LEGALLY COMPELLED TO TURN IT OVER. SUCH INFORMATION COULD THEN BE USED TO INITIATE TRACK OR PUNISH OTHERWISE. LAW ABIDING RESIDENTS, VISITORS, OR WORKERS, WHAT SEEMS HARMLESS UNDER ONE SET OF LEADERS COULD BE DANGEROUS UNDER ANOTHER. AS GEORGE ORWELL WROTE IN 1984, THAT CHOICE FOR MANKIND LIES BETWEEN FREEDOM AND HAPPINESS. AND FOR THE GREAT BULK OF MANKIND, FREEDOM IS BETTER. IN THIS NOVEL, THIS HAPPINESS COMES AT THE COST OF CONSTANT SURVEILLANCE AND THE LOSS OF INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM. A WARNING, NOT A GOAL. SHOULD SEDONA NOT BECOME A DATA, SEDONA SHOULD NOT BECOME A DATA COLLECTION POINT FOR ANY GOVERNMENT PRESENT OR FUTURE THAT WOULD USE THAT INFORMATION TO ERO PRIVACY TARGET SPECIFIC GROUPS OR CHILL FREE MOVEMENT. WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PREDICT, PROTECT NOT ONLY TODAY'S RESIDENTS, BUT TOMORROW'S AS WELL. ONCE PRIVACY IS SURRENDERED, IT IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO REGAIN IT. I ASK YOU NOT TO IMPLEMENT THE USE OF THESE LICENSE PLATE READERS AND PUT IT SEDONA FIRMLY ON THE SIDE OF LIBERTY, NOT SURVEILLANCE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. RANDY. ED CUTLER WILL BE FOLLOWED BY GRANT ELMAN. GRANT, ARE YOU STILL HERE? YES. OKAY. HI, MY NAME'S ED KETTLER. I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA, AND I'M NOT GONNA FOCUS ON THE DATA PRIVACY ASPECTS. I'M GONNA FOCUS ON THE PROCESS ON THIS PROJECT. AND I HAVE ONE WORD TO SAY ABOUT IT. DISAPPOINTMENT. THE WHOLE PROCESS WAS BASICALLY HIDDEN FROM EITHER INADVERTENTLY OR DELIBERATELY HIDDEN FROM THE GOVERNANCE OF THIS CITY THROUGH MISREADING POTENTIALLY THE INTEREST THAT WE ALL HAVE HERE ON THE, THE SENSITIVITY TO THIS. AND I THINK THAT WAS A COMPLETE MISS. OKAY. THAT YOU DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE A MAJOR FLOP. OKAY. I'M DISAPPOINTED IN THE TRANSPARENCY OF THIS PROJECT. WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHEN. IT WAS REALLY IN CONCEPTUALIZE THAT THE, I SENT A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS IN THAT WEREN'T ASKED ABOUT WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHEN, WHY, HOW THIS HAPPENING. UM, AND THEN WE END UP WITH THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. THIS PUBLIC MEETING SHOULD HAVE OCCURRED BEFORE MARCH, BEFORE THE CONTRACT WAS SIGNED. THIS IS A COMPLETE MISS. SO WHERE ARE WE TODAY? WE ARE IN AN EX POST FACTO WORLD, AND WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH A FA ACCOMPLI BY THE CITY STAFF. IT'S HAPPENED, IT'S ACCOMPLISHED. WE'RE, WE HAVE NOWHERE TO GO UNLESS THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO STOP THIS AND CALL TIME OUT. UM, AND YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HEARD OF THE SPARTACUS MOMENT. I FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW I'M IN A GOMER [02:55:01] PILE MOMENT. SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE. OKAY. THIS DID NOT HAPPEN THE RIGHT WAY, FOLKS. IT CAN'T GO ON THIS WAY. YOU COULD HAVE DONE BETTER. YOU NEED TO DO BETTER. I'M DISAPPOINTED. VERY DISAPPOINTED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ED. OKAY, GRANT, HOLD ON. WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY TIM PERRY. GRANT, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. YOU START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, PLEASE. HI, MY NAME'S GRANT ELMAN. I'M A CITY OF SEDONA RESIDENT AND I WANTED TO, A LOT OF MY POINTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT HERE. SO I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MAYBE SOME OF YOU ARE AWARE OF, SOME OF YOU MAYBE AREN'T AWARE OF. AND THAT IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE MASSIVE COMPANY PALANTIR AND FLOCK SECURITY. PALANTIR ACTUALLY HAS THE SAME EXACT INVESTORS AS FLOCK, SECURITY, AND PALANTIR, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, IS A MASSIVE AI DATA PROFILING, SURVEILLANCE, BIOMETRIC TRACKING COMPANY THAT RECENTLY JUST BECAME ONE OF THE 20 LARGEST COMPANIES IN THE UNITED STATES. AND MANY PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN AWARE OF WHAT THIS COMPANY IS OR WHAT IT DOES. AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE BUILDING THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A CHINESE STYLE COMMUNIST TRACKING SYSTEM HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. AND I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF OTHER SENDO RESIDENTS WHEN I SAY THAT WE DON'T WANT THAT TECHNOLOGY AND, YOU KNOW, SHARED INVESTMENTS WITH THAT TECHNOLOGY OF PALANTIR AND OTHER COMPANIES BEING USED HERE IN SEDONA BY ANY MEANS. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE HEARD MANY TIMES THAT THIS IS ONLY LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY. THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE FACIAL RECOGNITION OR BIOMETRICS. BUT WHAT IF ONE DAY FLOCK DECIDES THAT THEY DO WANT TO OFFER FACIAL RECOGNITION AND BIOMETRICS AS A SERVICE TO THE CITY OF SEDONA? AND WE ALREADY SAW HOW EASILY THIS $80,000 INVESTMENT WAS QUICKLY SWEPT UNDER THE RUG WITHOUT ANY KIND OF PUBLIC DISCLOSURE. HOW EASILY COULD THEY JUST ADD FACIAL RECOGNITION AND BIOMETRIC TRACKING TO THIS SYSTEM? AND THE CITY OF SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD JUST IMPLEMENT THIS EASILY WITHOUT ANY PUBLIC HEARING. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE AS A RESIDENT. I THINK THIS IS A COMPLETE MISS. AND AS THE PREVIOUS PERSON STATED, YOU KNOW, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN A NOT SWEPT UNDER THE RUG TYPE OF DISCUSSION. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED OPENLY WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A VOTE, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PUBLIC HEARING. AND INSTEAD THIS WAS JUST ROLLED THROUGH, MARCHED THROUGH. AND NOW WE'RE IN THIS SITUATION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ASK ALL OF YOU TO PLEASE REMOVE THESE CAMERAS FROM OUR CITY IMMEDIATELY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY. OKAY, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE ALL THE APPLAUSE, BUT WE DON'T NEED THE CHEERING. AGAIN, IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO WHAT YOU HAVE, THEY WOULD, THEY COULD BE INTIMIDATED IN SOME WAY. SO APPLAUD. BUT YOU'LL NEED THE CHEERING. TRY TO BE FAIR TO OTHERS. TIM PERRY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY STEVE NER. TIM, UH, THREE MINUTES. NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. DO YOU REALLY THINK WE'RE BUYING THIS THREE HOUR DOG AND PONY SHOW ABOUT HOW WONDERFUL IT IS TO BE SURVEILLED AND WHAT GREAT THINGS IT DOES FOR OUR COMMUNITY? WE SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. WE DO OUR RESEARCH AND WE KNOW WHERE ALL THIS IS GOING. YOU AND OTHER REGIONAL ELITES AROUND THESE CITIES AND COUNTIES AND STATE ARE WORKING TO BUILD PRIVATIZED SURVEILLANCE NETWORKS THAT WILL EVENTUALLY ALL BE INTEGRATED, THAT WILL BE USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF CIRCUMVENTING DATA RETENTION LAWS. BY REPLACING THE IMAGES COLLECTED BY THE CAMERAS WITH THE PATTERNS FLOCK OR OTHER COMPANIES, DEDUCE FROM THOSE IMAGES, YOU WILL THEN PROCEED TO USE THIS DATA, FIRST OF ALL TO ATTEMPT TO MORE EFFECTIVELY PRESSURE AND INTIMIDATE US. DEPLOYING COPS WHEREVER YOU LIKE. JUST WELL, BECAUSE YOU CAN NOW MAKES IT MUCH EASIER. AND YOU WILL ALSO USE IT TO TRY TO MANAGE TRAFFIC PATTERNS TO STEER US AS IF WE WERE ANIMALS, TO BE HERDED DOWN WHICHEVER ROADS YOU WANT US TO GO. AND THAT'S NOT WITH, WITHOUT EVEN THINKING ABOUT THE INEVITABLE EXPANSION OF THIS PROGRAM, UH, WHEN IT WON'T JUST BE TRACKING CARS, BUT WHEN IT WILL BE TRACKING US BASED ON FACIAL RECOGNITION AND WHAT WE'RE WEARING, WE CAN FIGURE OUT PRETTY EASILY FLOCK ENGINEERS ARE ALREADY WORKING ON THAT AS A SOFTWARE UPDATE FOR THE FUTURE. AND THEN THERE'S, UH, SOMETHING I'VE NOTICED RECENTLY, I'VE YET TO GET THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST BACK ON THIS. BUT I'VE GOT GOOD REASON TO SUSPECT THE CITY IS ALSO NOW PLANTING CAMERAS IN THE FOREST TO TRY TO TRACK CAMPERS AND OFF TRAIL HIKERS. SUDDENLY THE WHOLE JOKE ABOUT, UH, [03:00:01] BIRDS AREN'T REAL. SEEMS LIKE LESS AND LESS OF A JOKE AND LESS AND LESS FUNNY. YOU CAN TRY TO SPIN THIS HOWEVER YOU WANT, BUT THIS IS NOTHING BUT ANOTHER LENINIST ATTEMPT TO TAKE AWAY OUR FREEDOM AND TO REPLACE IT WITH BUREAUCRATIC MANIPULATION AND INTIMIDATION. THERE IS NO EXCUSE TO TAKE AWAY FREEDOM EVER. NOT FOR COWARDICE, MANU MASQUERADING AS SAFETY AND NOT OUT OF SOME REVERENCE FOR THE STATE OR THE COPS THAT SOME OF YOU WORSHIP AS A GOD. AS DWIGHT EISENHOWER SAID TO US AMERICANS, LIBERTY IS MORE PRECIOUS THAN GOOD GOVERNMENT. YOU HAVE NOT LISTENED TO THE PUBLIC WILL ON THIS. YOU ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS, OUR SERVANTS, YOU ARE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES, OUR EMPLOYEES. YOU ARE NOT AND NEVER WILL BE OUR MASTERS. AND YOU BE, SHOULD YOU BE CONFUSED ON THAT? IN 11 MONTHS, WE HAVE A PRIMARY ELECTION COMING UP AT WHICH THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO BE KICKED TO THE CURB. WHAT DID OLIVER CROMWELL SAY WHEN HE DISMISSED THE LONG PARLIAMENT? YOU HAVE SAT HERE TOO LONG TO BE OF ANY USE TO US DEPART, I SAY, AND LET US HAVE DONE WITH YOU. OKAY. UH, STEVE EGNER WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DAVE MURRAY. DAVE, ARE YOU STILL HERE? I DON'T. HI, MY NAME IS STEVE EGNER. I'M A LOCAL BUSINESSMAN RESIDENT, 30 YEARS. I WANNA TALK ABOUT A COUPLE THINGS TONIGHT. I THINK THE CITY OR THE PEOPLE HERE OWE AN APOLOGY TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE TONIGHT. IF THIS FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS, THIS IS A 50,000 OR $80,000 CONTRACT IN A, IN A CITY THAT HAS $100 MILLION BUDGET. NORMALLY, AN $80,000 CONTRACT WOULD NOT COME IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M SAD THAT IT DIDN'T, I'M GLAD YOU'RE HAVING THIS TODAY, BUT I THINK THIS IDEA OF FINGER POINTING THAT SOMEBODY MESSED UP, I THINK THERE WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION AND I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY TO START WITH THAT. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY I SUPPORT THIS. I'M, I'M A HOTELIER. I WORRY ABOUT TRAFFICKING CHILDREN. CHILDREN, WHEN I CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I WRITE DOWN, UH, NUMBERS. I WANT THEM TO SEARCH IT. I WANT THEM TO GET THE BAD GUY. THIS IS A WAY TO STOP CRIME. I DON'T THINK IT'S THE CONSPIRACY THAT THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME ARE MAKING IT. I WANT PEOPLE TO REALIZE THERE ARE 8,000 PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN. THERE ARE 28 PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT. USE THAT WHEN YOU'RE BALANCING YOUR DECISION. YOUR JOB IS NOT TO LISTEN TO ALL OF US. YOUR JOB IS TO LISTEN TO ALL THE FACTS AND DO WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST FOR THIS COMMUNITY IN THE LONG RUN. OKAY? AND I KNOW THAT NONE OF YOU CARE ABOUT GETTING REELECTED OR NOT GETTING REELECTED 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA DO WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT AND I SUPPORT YOU. SO I THINK WE SHOULD ALL TAKE A DEEP BREATH TONIGHT, AND WE SHOULD THANK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR TRYING TO DO WHAT EVERY OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE STATE HAS ALREADY DONE TO ME, IT WAS A NO BRAINER. IT SLIPPED THROUGH THE CRACKS. I'M GLAD WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT, AND I HOPE YOU LISTEN TO EVERYBODY THEN. I HOPE YOU VOTE YES FOR IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. STEVE EGNER. UH, DAVE MURRAY, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY. UH, FOLLOWED BY JEAN BURLE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JESSICA WILLIAMSON. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JEAN WEE. I'VE BEEN A SEDONA RESIDENT FOR 28 YEARS. UH, WHEN I LEARNED ABOUT THE A LPR CAMERAS BEING INSTALLED, I WAS SURPRISED AND DISPLEASED THAT THEIR SEEMINGLY SURREPTITIOUS INTRODUCTION, BUT I WAS OPEN TO THE IDEA IN THEORY, IF THE CAMERAS HAD BEEN PLACED AT ENTRANCE POINTS TO THE CITY OR WITHIN THE CITY ALONG 89 AND 1 79 AT A FEW MAJOR INTERSECTIONS. AS MUCH AS I POSED THE IDEA, I COULD HAVE SEEN THE PRACTICALITY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND UNDERSTAND THE REASONING. BUT PLACING CAMERAS INSIDE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THE CAMERA AT THE CORNER OF RODEO AND SANBORN, FEELS LIKE A SIGNIFICANT OVERREACH AND VERY MUCH AN INTENT TO SURVEIL. CALLING THIS NOT SURVEILLANCE IS MISLEADING. THE SYSTEM RETAINS EVERY PLATE RED FOR 30 DAYS AT PRESENT BASED ON THE PRESENTATION TODAY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE PLATE MATCHES ANYTHING IN A CIC OR NCIC DATABASES AND ESTABLISHES A PATTERN OF TRAVEL FOR THOSE 30 DAYS FOR A SEARCH PLATE WITHIN THE SYSTEM. IF CITY COUNCIL INSISTS WE MUST HAVE THESE CRAM CAMERAS, AS BRIAN MENTIONED, I WOULD LOVE US TO, UH, FOLLOW THE MOST PRIVACY PROTECTIVE MODEL IN THE COUNTRY AND BE LIKE NEW HAMPSHIRE WITH A THREE MINUTE PURGE WITHOUT A DATABASE MATCH AND A FLOCK CAN'T PROVIDE THAT. PERHAPS THEY'RE NOT THE RIGHT PROVIDER FOR US AT, IF THE CAMERAS ARE REALLY NECESSARY AT ALL. BY RETAINING DATA ON ALL CITIZENS AND VISITORS, [03:05:01] IT IMPLIES GUILT BEFORE BEING PROVEN GUILTY. AND THERE ARE A BEVY OF WAYS THAT INFORMATION CAN BE MISUSED. WE HAVE NO CLEAR OVERSIGHT OF HOW DATA IS USED ONCE SHARED WITH OTHER PARTICIPATING AGENCIES OTHER THAN MANUAL AUDITING. I BELIEVE IT'S EXTREMELY UNLIKELY THERE WILL BE REGULAR AUDITING OF SEARCHES OR VERIFICATION OF WHETHER PARTNER AGENCIES ARE COMPLYING WITH PROPER PROTOCOLS. AND FINALLY, LEGALITY ALONE SHOULD NOT BE THE STANDARD FOR INSTALLING CAMERAS. YES, THE CAMERAS ARE LEGAL, BUT JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS TECHNICALLY LEGAL DOES NOT MEAN IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO OUR COMMUNITY OR THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR SEDONA. USING THE JUSTIFICATION THAT WE'RE THE ONLY COMMUNITY IN THE STATE WITHOUT THE CAMERAS DOESN'T SPEAK TO THE VALIDITY, NECESSITY, OR EFFICACY OF THE PRODUCT, JUST THAT WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH THE JONESES. I PERSONALLY FIND IT UNCONSCIONABLE THAT THE SYSTEM WAS INSTALLED AND ACTIVATED WITH VERY LITTLE TO NO MEANINGFUL OVERSIGHT. AND I PERSONALLY FIND IT VERY DISCONCERTING THAT THIS MEETING IS HAPPENING POST FACTO AND NOT BEFORE SIGNING A CONTRACT WITH FLOCK AND INSTALLING CAMERAS. I WOULD URGE COUNSEL STRONGLY TO CONSIDER THE USAGE AND AT A VERY MINIMUM, THE PLACEMENT OF THESE CAMERAS SO THAT WE CAN ENJOY FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT WITHOUT FEELING LIKE WE'RE LIVING IN A CONSTANT STATE OF SURVEILLANCE UNDER THE GUISE OF SAFETY. I, FOR ONE, AM WILLING TO GIVE UP A MODICUM OF SAFETY FOR WHAT FEELS LIKE A STRONG VIOLATION OF PRIVACY AND WOULD BE ELATED TO SEE THE CAMERAS REMOVED. THANK YOU. JESSICA WILLIAMSON WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DAN WILLS. DAN, ARE YOU STILL HERE? OKAY, THANKS. MY NAME'S JESSICA WILLIAMSON. I LIVE IN SEDONA. I OPPOSE LICENSE PLATE READERS ON SEDONA STREETS. 'CAUSE I'M CONCERNED HOW DATA IS BEING MISUSED IN OUR COUNTRY. I DON'T TRUST THE PRIVATE COMPANY TO PROTECT MY INFORMATION AGAINST STATE OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE KNOW THAT INSTITUTIONS HAVE LARGELY BEEN UNABLE OR UNWILLING TO DEPOSE TO OPPOSE DEMANDS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THIS TECHNOLOGY'S BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES. SO WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL? WELL, WE LIVE IN A TIME OF SYSTEMATIC ABUSE OF DATA BY THE FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION. WHATEVER WAS DONE IN THE PAST DOESN'T APPLY NOW. THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION USES DATA THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTED AND PRIVATE IN ORDER TO ARREST PEOPLE IN THE COURSE OF THEIR NORMAL DAILY ACTIVITIES AND DETAIN THEM. THIS ISN'T RIGHT. IF THEY DO IT TO THEM, THEY CAN DO IT TO US. OUR EXPECTATIONS THAT THE RULE OF LAW WILL BE RESPECTED, CAN NO LONGER BE RELIED ON. THE RULE OF LAW IS NO LONGER RESPECTED. I UNDERSTAND THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT FINDS THESE DEVICES USEFUL. THAT IS THEIR JOB PROTECTION. UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE STUFF THEY COULD DO THAT WOULD MAKE, UH, THEIR JOB A LOT EASIER. I'M NOT SURE IT SHOULD ALL BE DONE. UM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT MY PRIVACY AND THE PRIVACY OF SED DONOR RESIDENTS SHOULD BE SACRIFICED IN THE CURRENT ATMOSPHERE OF DATA ABUSE AND DISREGARD FOR THE RULE OF LAW. I'D LIKE YOU TO KEEP MY RIGHT TO PRIVACY AND YOUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY IN MIND. AND PLEASE RECOGNIZE THE DATA ABUSES BEING PERPETRATED AS WE SPEAK DAY AFTER DAY BY OUR GOVERNMENT. PLEASE DON'T ADD MORE DATA TO BE ABUSED. THANK YOU, JESSICA. DAN WILLS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY ADA. OKAY. I I'LL TRY YOUR NAME IN A MINUTE. THE LAST NAME. I'M ERIC COUNCIL NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. I AM DAN WELLS. I'VE BEEN RESIDENT OF SEDONA FOR THE LAST 35 YEARS. UM, GOSH, WHERE TO START? YEAH, I I AGREE IN THAT, UH, THE PROCESS HERE WAS A BIT OF A FLUB AND, UH, BUT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WAS ANY, UH, NEFARIOUS, UH, UH, CONTENT AND HOW THAT CAME ABOUT. MODERN TECHNOLOGY, WELL, THIS AIN'T IT. OKAY. THAT I HAVE PICTURES OF LICENSE PLATE READERS ON MICHIGAN STATE PATROL CARS 12 YEARS AGO. THIS IS NOT NEW TECHNOLOGY. THIS STUFF HAS BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE A WHILE AND IN PLACE ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY YOU HAVE HERE IN SEDONA. A REMARKABLE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN. SO SINCE ITS INCEPTION, UH, I PRESENT, WELL, NOPE, I HAVE JUST RETIRED. THE INK IS STILL WET. I SPENT THE LAST EIGHT YEARS WORKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT CYBERSECURITY AGENCY, CSA. AND I'VE TRAVELED THE UNITED STATES FROM GUAM TO PUERTO RICO WORKING WITH AGENCIES, AND I KNOW WHAT THE STARS LOOK LIKE. AND YOU HAVE YOUR HANDS ON ONE. I THINK YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF THE ORGANIZATION THAT YOU GOT. UH, PRIOR TO THAT, I SPENT 27 YEARS IN PUBLIC SAFETY IN THIS COMMUNITY. UH, AND BEFORE THAT, UH, WE TALK ABOUT, [03:10:01] WELL, WHAT ARE THOSE, SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT WHAT KIND OF DANGER? YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THE UCR, THE UNIFORMED CRIME REPORT FOR SEDONA. AND, UH, IT BEARS NO RESEMBLANCE TO ANY OF THE MAJOR METROS. WELL, GUESS WHAT? OKAY. I REMEMBER IN MY DAYS IN THE SEVENTIES WITH THE ARIZONA HIGHWAY PATROL AND FLAGSTAFF, WE WERE TOLD THAT ONE OUT OF EVERY 12 CARS ON INTERSTATE 40 HAD SOME MAJOR FELONY INVOLVEMENT. ONE OUT OF 12, THOSE NUMBERS DIDN'T IMPROVE. IF YOU LOOK AT TRENDING ACROSS, ACROSS THE COUNTRY, YOU LOOK AT, WELL, THIS IS A QUIET PLACE. WELL, AFTER DPSI WENT TO WORK FOR THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE WHEN I WAS A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR IN YOSEMITE NATIONAL PARK. GUESS WHAT? IT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS. YOU LOOK FOR THE PLACE YOU'D LEAST EXPECT THERE'S GOING TO BE A PROFESSIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFILE. WE HAD SIX FULL-TIME CRIMINAL INVESTIGATORS THERE DEALING WITH JUST THAT. SO YEAH, IF YOU THINK YOU'RE IMMUNE, UH, BY THE COMMUNITY WE LIVE IN, UH, NOW YOU MISSED THAT. SO THE QUESTION IS, SHOULDN'T WE DO THIS? THIS QUESTION IS WHY HAVEN'T WE DONE THIS QUITE A WHILE AGO? OKAY. UH, I LIVE MY LAST EIGHT YEARS FULL TIME WITH THE GOVERNMENT ON CYBERSECURITY ISSUES. I CAN LECTURE T ON AWS GOV IF YOU HAVE A SPARE DAY. UH, I KNOW MANY OF THE VULNERABILITIES. I DID AN EVALUATION OF THE, UH, UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE VIRGINIA, UH, SYSTEMS THAT WAS INVOLVED IN VIDEO TELEMATICS 10 YEARS AGO. SO, AM I WORRIED ABOUT THIS? NO, BUT I THINK IT'S NOT GOING FAR ENOUGH. YES. I THINK YOU SHOULD PUT IT IN THE PATROL CARS AND GET ON WITH IT. OKAY. FOR A WHOLE HOST OF REASONS WE COULD TALK ABOUT SEPARATELY. BUT I'VE BEEN ON ALL SIDES OF THIS. I'VE LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME AND IT, UH, UM, YEAH, I, YOU YOU MIGHT IMPROVE PROCESS AND HOW YOU APPROVE PROJECTS. OKAY. BUT IN TERMS OF THIS ONE, UH, I CAN SPEAK AT SOME LENGTH, UH, ON NOT ONLY THIS TECHNOLOGY, BUT THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S, UH, DAN MOVING. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, SIR. DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T PEEP, BUT YOU KNOW, YOUR TIME IS UP. THANK YOU. BUT THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY, ADA, AND SAY YOUR, YOUR LAST NAME. 'CAUSE I WILL, I'LL NEVER WITH A NEW YORK ACCENT. I'LL BUTCHER IT. SO, AND YOU, UH, HAVE THREE MINUTES AND JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVE US YOUR NAME AGAIN AND, UH, CITY OF RESIDENCE. BE MY, MY NAME IS ADA TORQUE. I'M A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF TORT SEDONA. OKAY. SO THE FIRST THING I WANNA SAY IS WE ARE ALL RESIDENTS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS OUR QUALITY. HOLD THE MIC FORWARD. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. THAT'S POLICE OFFICERS, COUNCIL MEMBERS, EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM. ESSENTIALLY, WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED TODAY IS THIS QUESTION, DO WE WANT TO LIVE IN A POLICE STATE? DO WE VALUE SECURITY OVER LIBERTY? I BELIEVE THAT WAS ANSWERED IN 1776 WHEN THE CONSTITUTION WAS FORMED. IT'S CLEARLY LIBERTY. THE FOURTH AMENDMENT FURTHER ELUCIDATES THIS, WE HAVE PROTECTIONS AGAINST UNREASONABLE SEARCH AND SEIZURE. THIS FLOCK TECHNOLOGY CONSTITUTES UNREASONABLE SEARCH. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME LAWSUITS THAT SAY THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. AND THEN WHAT DO THEY SAY? THEY GO TO THE PUBLIC ROADWAYS. OKAY, WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC ROADWAYS, THEN WE TALK TO THE PUBLIC. AND THAT'S ALL OF THE PUBLIC. THAT MEANS WE PUT THIS TO A VOTE. IT'S NOT A LITTLE MEETING, IT'S NOT SOME REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PUBLIC. WE PUT THIS TO PUBLIC VOTE IN SEDONA TO SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS. 'CAUSE THIS IS OUR LIFE. WE, A LOT OF US DON'T WANT A POLICE STATE. IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED THOROUGHLY. AND THEN THE LAST CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS A BIG ONE. UM, DUE PROCESS WAS NOT FOLLOWED. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS, THE POLICE KNOWS THE CITY MANAGER KNOWS THINGS HAVE SOMETHING THIS BIG HAS TO BE PUT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. AND IT WASN'T. AND EVEN TODAY IT WAS STATED AND EXPRESSED THAT THE VERY NEXT DAY AFTER A COUNCIL MEETING, THE ISSUE WAS PUT FORTH AND KIND OF DONE, NOT ONLY WITHOUT THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, BUT WITHOUT COUNCIL'S KNOWLEDGE. NOW THE ONLY WAY WE MAINTAIN LIBERTY AND FAIRNESS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PUBLIC TRULY WANTS IS TO PUT IT BEFORE THE PUBLIC, OR AT THE VERY LEAST TO PUT IT BEFORE OUR REPRESENTATIVES ON COUNCIL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ADA LAURA MASTERS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JENNA SHILOH NAME WITH CITY OF RESIDENCE, PLEASE. HI THERE. MY NAME'S LAURA MASTERS. I LIVE IN RIM ROCK, ARIZONA. I'M THE FOUNDER OF INDIVISIBLE RIM ROCK. I HAD BEEN WORKING WITH M**K JAL, UM, ON RESEARCHING THIS, UM, ISSUE. AND, UH, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I WORK IN SEDONA. I DINE IN SEDONA, I SHOP IN SEDONA, AND I ALSO BUY GROCERIES IN SEDONA. SO THIS VERY MUCH AFFECTS ME [03:15:01] AS WELL AS THE LIBERTIES OF ALL PEOPLE. UH, WHAT HASN'T BEEN ASKED OR ANSWERED BY, UH, THE FLOCK REPRESENTATIVE IS SPECIFICALLY IF YOU ARE GOING TO PUT, UH, IMMIGRANTS ON THE HIT LIST THAT WAS NEVER SPECIFICALLY ANSWERED. UM, MY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF ALL PEOPLE, WHETHER THEY ARE CITIZENS OR THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS. MY CONCERN IS ABOUT HOW THIS KIND OF, UH, INFORMATION, UH, WAS NOT SHARED WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND IS, AND WAS PUSHED THROUGH, UH, BY A COUPLE OF PEOPLE, UH, AND NOT BROUGHT TO THE PUBLIC. UM, ISSUE NUMBER ONE, RETAIN, UH, DEN, UM, DATA RETENTION. UM, I KNOW BY RESEARCHING THAT THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UH, RETAINS THEIR, UH, AL THEIR AUTOMATIC LICENSE PLATE READER INFORMATION FOR SEVEN DAYS. I KNOW THAT NEW HAMPSHIRE ALSO RETAINS THEIR, UH, DATA FOR THREE MINUTES ON INNOCENT DATA. INNOCENT DATA IS ANY DATA THAT IS NOT HI, UH, A HIT, SO TO SPEAK. UH, THERE'S NOTHING THAT COMES UP AND IT IS IMMEDIATELY REMOVED. THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF ISSUES RIGHT NOW IN OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH, UH, DUE PROCESS. AND, UH, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE VIOLATING OUR CIVIL RIGHTS RIGHT AND LEFT. AND TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION THROWN OUT THERE FOR 30 DAYS, WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH IT. I WANT THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER SAYING NO ON THIS. I WOULD LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL TO SAY NO, TO FLOCK AND VOLUNTEER. UM, IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS TECHNOLOGY, PLEASE USE A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION THAT IS NOT INVOLVED IN AI. UM, AND LASTLY, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE RIGHTS OF IMMIGRANTS. UM, NOBODY HAS ANSWERED YET FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR FROM THE, UH, GENTLEMAN FROM, UH, FLOCK. WHETHER, UH, IMMIGRANTS WILL BE PLACED ON THE HIT LIST. MY CONCERN IS THEY WILL BE. UH, AND I KNOW IN CALIFORNIA THERE HAS BEEN HUNDREDS OF ARRESTS BASED ON THE, UH, CO-MINGLING OF THIS INFORMATION WITH FEDERAL AUTHORITIES. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT IS A VIOLATION OF EVERYONE'S FOURTH AMENDMENT, FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS. AND I HAVE TO SAY, I HOPE YOU ALL VOTE AGAINST THIS. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU LAURA. UH, JENNA SHILOH, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY. SEEING NO NOTHING, NO INDICATION SYLVIA SPINELLI WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MARCY ELLIS. SYLVIA CEPI, UM, LIVED IN SEDONA FOR 31 YEARS. FIRST OF ALL, EXCUSE ME. I WANNA, I WANNA GIVE YOU A COMPLIMENT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TO MANY MEETINGS AND I'VE SPOKEN AT A FEW. AND I AM SO PLEASED AND IMPRESSED WITH HOW OPEN YOU FOLKS HAVE BEEN AND SELF-REFLECTIVE AND ASKING REALLY INCISIVE QUESTIONS. AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, I WAS KIND OF WONDERING LIKE, WHY DIDN'T THOSE QUESTIONS GET ASKED BEFORE? AND THROUGH THIS GREAT MEETING, IT'S THE BEST ONE I'VE BEEN TO, UH, COME TO FIND OUT WHY. AND SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, OBVIOUSLY I'M AGAINST THIS. IT'S NOT JUST FOR SEDONA. IT'S, THIS IS NATIONWIDE. AND WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS A COMMANDER AND A CITY MANAGER MADE JUDGMENT CALLS THAT DID NOT EVEN MAYBE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT, WHAT WE ALL, AND, AND MOST OF YOU ON THE, ON THE COUNCIL HAVE QUESTIONED. AND THAT IS OUR PERSONAL LIBERTIES AND OUR PRIVACY. SO THINGS LIKE THAT JUST DON'T JUST HAPPEN. IT HAS HAPPENED. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I THINK SO MANY OF US ARE MORE THAN FLINCHY, BUT, YOU KNOW, STAKE IN THE GROUND AGAINST THIS TYPE OF THING. UM, I I ALSO WANTED TO JUST MAKE A COMMENT THAT I WAS GONNA SAY, EVERYBODY'S ALLOWED A FIRST MISTAKE, WHICH THIS IS GONNA BE ONE THAT YOU MAY LAUGH AT SOMEDAY AS A GOOD STORY. BUT, UM, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT AS YOU WERE GETTING IMPATIENT OR WANTED TO SHOW YOUR POINT, UM, IT, IT, YOU OBVIOUSLY BECAME RATHER DISMISSIVE OF OUR COUNCIL. AND SEDONA RESIDENTS DON'T APPRECIATE THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S THAT. OKAY. UM, WICHITA EAGLE IN NOVEMBER OF 2022, THEY, THEY HAD HAD THE SYSTEM FOR FIVE YEARS. THEY STARTED QUESTIONING IT. AND ONE THING THAT WE'LL ALL RECOGNIZE, SCOTT, YOU'VE GOTTEN GOTTEN MANY YOU EMAILS AND YOU ALL SEEN IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. [03:20:01] WE WERE CONCERNED 'CAUSE LIKE, WHY DIDN'T WE KNOW ABOUT THIS? AND THINKING IT WAS OUR OWN PROBLEM. THIS IS IN 2022. NO ONE OUTSIDE LAW ENFORCEMENT IS ALLOWED TO KNOW WHERE THE CAMERAS ARE SET UP OR TO SEE THE SURVEILLANCE DATA. THIS IS APPARENTLY A FLOCK, UM, PROTOCOL OR SOMETHING. WELL, IT AGAIN, IT'S NOT JUST US. YOU LATER MAYBE I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR RESPONSES FROM THAT. UH, ONCE THE, AND THE OTHER THING IS, ONCE THE SURVEILLANCE IS SHARED, UM, IT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE CHIEF DOES OUTSIDE THE OUTSIDE AGENCIES COULD SARAH THEM. AGAIN. THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW OR FLAG UNLAWFUL SEARCHES OR OF LICENSED OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE USED IT. SYLVIA, YOUR TIME IS UP TO JUST THE BUZZ IS NOT WORKING. OKAY. I'M SORRY. CAN I JUST SAY ONE THING? YES, THERE'S A VERY SHORT, UM, THERE'S A USE. AN A CLU HAS JUST JULY 23RD ISSUED ITS CONCERNS ABOUT THIS SYSTEM. I WOULD LOVE TO SEND YOU THE ARTICLE SO EVERYBODY CAN RESEARCH WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE, INCLUDING, UM, A NEW SYSTEM THAT THEY HAVE GOING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JUST, UM, JUST THE LICENSE PLATES. IT'S ALGORITHMS THAT MAY BE LODGED AND USED FOR OTHER THINGS. STOP THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DAVID. MARCY ELLIS WILL BE OUR, OUR LAST, UH, SPEAKER. IF ANYBODY ELSE WISHES TO ADDRESS US, PLEASE FILL OUT THE CARD NOW. OTHERWISE, MARCY WILL BE OUR LAST MARCY. I THINK YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THIS. ALMOST DIDN'T WANNA DO IT. WELL, BUT I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE DEPTH OF, UH, QUESTIONING FROM ALL OF YOU. GOTTA BRING THE MIC A LITTLE CLOSER. START WITH YOUR NAME WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE DEPTH OF QUESTIONING FROM ALL OF YOU. THE LEVEL OF COM COMPREHENSION, THE INTELLIGENT ANALYSIS. MARCY, MARCY, YOU HAVE TO START WITH YOUR NAME. CITY OF RESIDENCE. YOU HAVE TO DO BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE BEING ON, YOU'RE ON CAMERA. I'M MARCY. SO YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE PRIVACY HERE IN, IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. AND I LIVE IN OAK CREEK CANYON AND IS THAT IT? YOU WANT MY AGE, MY NUMBER OF CHILDREN? MY , UM, 29. YEAH. THE FEAR ISN'T WITH YOU GUYS, IT'S WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THESE DAYS. UM, AND I'M KIND OF SURPRISED. DO WE HAVE A HIGH CRIME RATE HERE? I GUESS I WASN'T THINKING WE DID, BUT AS I LISTENED TO EVERYTHING, I THOUGHT, HOW MUCH CRIME DOES SEDONA HAVE? YOU KNOW? UM, BUT THAT WAS JUST A QUESTION. I HEARD MANY THINGS THAT ARE STILL UNDER QUESTIONING THAT YOU GUYS ARE INVESTIGATING. AND I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT YOU TAKE THE TIME TO GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE YOU APPROVE IT. UM, A HUNDRED PERCENT. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER MONTH, TWO, THREE, I DON'T KNOW TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE, BUT WE HAVE TIME AND I HOPE YOU TAKE IT. AND THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN SO MUCH TAKING OF POWER AWAY FROM THE LOCALS. UM, AND THAT'S, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM EVERYONE IS THE CONCERN THAT THIS WILL BE USED IN THE WRONG WAY. SO TAKE THE TIME IF YOU WOULD, TO REALLY GET THOSE QUESTIONS YOU HAD TODAY ANSWERED BEFORE YOU APPROVE IT. A HUNDRED PERCENT WOULD BE MY REQUEST. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK. YOU GUYS ARE GREAT. THANK YOU, MARCY. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, UH, AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL, UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. AND I PERHAPS CHIEF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME AS, UH, AS WELL AS MR. CHANDLER? THERE WERE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED AND COMMENTS, AND I'M SURE YOU'D LIKE SOME TIME TO, UH, ADDRESS THEM. YEAH, HAPPY TO. UH, I TOOK SOME NOTES, UH, ON SOME KEY ONES AND IF I MISSED ANYTHING, UH, PLEASE, UM, POINT IT OUT TO ME AND I'M HAPPY TO DIG. UH, FURTHER, UH, IMPORTANT TO NOTE, UH, I MEAN WE, WE WENT OVER THE, THE FOURTH AMENDMENT ASPECT OF THE ITEMS. UH, A COUPLE COMMENTS ABOUT PALANTIR. WE ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATE COMPANIES. THERE IS NO OVERLAP. IN FACT, MANY PEOPLE VIEW US AS COMPETITORS EVEN THOUGH WE'RE IN COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SPHERES. COMPLETELY. UH, SO US AND PALANTIR TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE DISTINCT COMPANIES. UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION OF WHETHER FLOCK PUTS IMMIGRANTS ON THE HOT LIST. UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, FLOCK HAS ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER ANY HOT LIST. UM, AND AT LEAST I CAN SPEAK WITH AUTHORITY ON THE NCIC LIST. YOUR AGENCY IS ACTUALLY ABLE TO CUSTOMIZE WHAT KIND OF ALERTS YOU WANT. UH, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW ABOUT MURDERERS, YOU CAN CHOOSE OPT OUTTA THAT. I DON'T THINK ANYONE WANT THAT. BUT YOU CAN CHOOSE WHICH [03:25:01] ONES FROM THE NCIC HOT LIST YOU CAN OPT INTO OR OPT OUT TO. BUT FLOCK HAS ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER THE HOT LIST. UM, AND IT IS ALSO NOT FLOCK'S DECISION ON WHETHER TO MAKE CAMERA LOCATIONS PUBLIC OR NOT. THAT'S AN AGENCY IN, IN CITY DECISION. UH, SO THOSE ARE THE, THE NOTES THAT I TOOK ON THE COMMENTS DIRECTED FOR FLOCK. BUT PLEASE, IF ANYONE FEELS I MISSED ANYTHING, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. THANK YOU CHIEF. UH, A FEW OF THE COMMENTS. SO, UM, ONE THAT WAS ABOUT THE, THE PLACEMENTS AS FAR AS THE CAMERAS, THOSE WERE CONSIDERED BASICALLY AT THE MAIN TRAVEL THOROUGHFARES. SO THE ONE THAT'S ON SANBORN, UM, GOES WITH INTO THUNDER MOUNTAIN, WHICH IS TYPICALLY USED, UM, AS A MAIN, THE THOROUGHFARE TO AVOID 89 A, ESPECIALLY IN HIGH TRAVEL OR TRAFFIC CONGESTIONS. MOST PEOPLE KNOW THAT THAT IS A PATH. UM, IT'S ALSO USED WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING A MAP DRIVING APP THAT IT WILL DETER YOU THROUGH THERE OR, UM, PUSH YOU THROUGH THERE. WE HAVE ONE DOWN OFF DRY CREEK BASED ON THE 5, 2 5 CONNECTION FROM BOYTON CANYON. SO, UM, THE, THE PLACEMENTS WERE SPECIFIC TO, UM, ACCOMMODATE IF SOMEBODY KNEW ANOTHER FORM TO AVOID 89 A, UM, FOR, FOR TRAVEL. SO THAT, THAT WENT INTO THE DECISION MAKING. UM, ALSO ONE OF THE COMMENTS, UH, SAID THAT COMMANDER DOWELL IS IN INVOLVED IN THE DECISION MAKING. AND, UM, THAT'S NOT, THAT WAS, UM, THROUGH ME AND DIRECTION THAT I GAVE HIM. SO THAT WOULD NOT BE ACCURATE, UM, TO SAY THAT HE HAD ANYTHING IN THE DECISION MAKING. UM, LET'S SEE. THE, THE VIEWING OF OF PRO OF MEETINGS, THAT MEETING THAT I REFERRED TO ON, UM, APRIL 17TH AND THE 18TH IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. IT'S STILL ON THE CITY'S SITE. SO THAT, THAT WAS NOT HELD FROM ANYBODY. ALL OF OUR MEETINGS ARE, UM, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, WHETHER YOU'RE IN PERSON OR YOU CAN VIEW IT ONLINE. UM, I WOULD SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, THE PUBLIC STANDPOINT, ABSOLUTELY THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE MESSAGING THAT WE HAD DONE AND, UM, MORE OPENNESS. SO, UM, I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU'RE WRONG IN THAT. AND I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S A LESSON GOING FORWARD OF WHAT OUR COMMUNITY EXPECTS AND THE, THE TYPE OF TOPICS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN. SO, UM, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I THINK IT'S, IT'S HELPFUL TO HEAR AND TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE STILL FULFILL THOSE AND, AND MAINTAIN THE, THE PUBLIC TRUST. SO, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY WE DIDN'T DO OUR JOB IF EVERYBODY'S VERY CLEAR IN LETTING US KNOW THAT WE WEREN'T TRANSPORT PARENTS. SO, UM, DEFINITELY MY APOLOGIES FROM, FROM MY SIDE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, FEELING THAT ANYTHING WAS TRYING TO BE HITTING THAT DEFINITELY IS NOT OUR GOAL. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF THINGS LIKE WE SAID THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. I DEFINITELY THINK, UM, STILL THAT THIS PROGRAM'S SUPPORTED AS FAR AS A PILOT. I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT DIFFERENT AVENUES FOR THE TRANSPARENCY AND, AND THOSE THINGS, BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT DECISION'S NOT UP TO ME. SO I, I CAN KEEP GIVING THE BENEFITS. I, I THINK THIS IS, UM, GOOD FOR OUR DEPARTMENT ALONG WITH OTHERS THAT WE CAN, UM, LOOK AT THAT HAVE HAD SUCCESS. AND I THINK THIS WILL HELP OUR COMMUNITY. UM, BUT I'M ONE VOTE AND NOT A VOTE. I DON'T LIVE IN SEDONA. SO, UM, I LIVE IN OTHER AREAS AND THEY DO HAVE THOSE CAMERAS. BUT, UM, I, I THINK THAT'S IT. UNLESS YOU HAD SOMETHING SPECIFIC FOR ME THAT YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO ADDRESS IN ADDITION THAT WAS BROUGHT OUT. NO. OKAY. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO. UH, WELL, BUT LET ME ASK YOU THIS, CHIEF. SO I THOUGHT THE PRESENTATION WAS REALLY, REALLY GOOD AND DIALED IN, BUT WHEN IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE RECORDED OF, YOU KNOW, UH, WINDS WITH, UH, LICENSE PLATE READERS, SO BACK IN AUGUST, AND I DON'T THINK THIS WAS ON THERE, BUT AUGUST OF 24 FLAT CAMERAS AND COTTONWOOD REPORTED STOLEN VEHICLE. THIS IS ALL PUBLIC ACCESS, BY THE WAY, ALL ON, UH, THE, UH, UH, BRIEFING, POLICE BRIEFING, WHICH ENDS UP IN THE RED ROCK NEWS AND, AND OTHER, UH, NEWS SOURCES, BUT FLOCK CAMERAS AND COTTONWOOD REPORTED A STOLEN VEHICLE, UH, DRIVING NORTH TOWARDS SEDONA, SEDONA AND COTTONWOOD OFFICERS CONDUCTED A HIGH RISK STOP AND COTTONWOOD PD TOOK IN, TOOK CUSTODY OF THE DRIVER WITHOUT INCIDENT. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN SOMEBODY DRIVING THROUGH OUR CITY TO DO WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. BUT AT LEAST THEY WERE CAPTURED. OKAY, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE WHO WANNA DO HARM WITH US. I THINK WE'RE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TO HAVE THE NUMBERS DOWN. I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER ONE. UH, COTTONWOOD PERFORMED, UH, INFORMED US OF A HIT AND RUN SUSPECT THAT WAS CAPTURED ON THE CITY'S FLOCK. THAT'S COTTONWOOD CITY'S FLOCK CAMERAS GOING NORTHBOUND ON 89 A TOWARDS SEDONA, AN OFFICER SPED THE VEHICLE DESCRIBED BY THE COTTONWOOD PD [03:30:01] AS A BLACK 2014 DODGE RAM TRUCK BEARING ARIZONA PLATE. I'M NOT GONNA GIVE IT, BUT IT WAS PUBLIC, UH, DRIVING EASTBOUND, APPROACHING SUNSET DRIVE IN 89. A THE OFFICER STOPPED THE VEHICLE WITH A SECOND UNIT, UH, AND MADE THE ARREST ANOTHER GOOD JOB. WHAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED IF THAT PERSON WOULD MAYBE DRIVE THROUGH? MAYBE NOT. SO THERE'S A QUITE A FEW, UH, INSTANCES WHERE WITH THE HELP OF COTTONWOOD INTERACTING WITH, UH, SEDONA PD, WE WERE ABLE TO HOPEFULLY GET BAD ACTORS OFF OUR ROADS AND OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. UH, IT SEEMS, AND IF PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT THE RED ROCK NEWS, THEY'RE REALLY GOOD AT PUTTING THE, UH, POLICE INFORMATION OUT THERE. I DUNNO IF THEY DO IT, UH, ONCE OR TWICE A MONTH. THERE'S BAD PEOPLE COMING IN HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE OUR NUMBERS DOWN? I THINK HAS TO DO WITH A LOT OF, HOPEFULLY INCREASED MANPOWER AND THE DEDICATION OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT. I WOULD HATE TO THINK IF WE DIDN'T HAVE SUCH A DEDICATED DEPARTMENT, BUT THERE'S PEOPLE COMING THROUGH OUR CITY. SO, UH, IT HAS BEEN CONCERNED. AND IF THESE CAMERAS, I UNDERSTAND, I HAD NO IDEA THAT, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, ISSUES WERE RAISED I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT. BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT THESE PEOPLE AND BAD ACTORS WOULD DO HARM FOR OUR FAMILIES AND UP AND OUR, UH, OURSELVES HERE. WE'VE HAD HOW MANY BREAK-INS IN THE PAST YEAR FROM BAD ACTORS, ESPECIALLY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THE CHAPEL NEIGHBORHOOD, WITHIN TWO YEARS WE HAD TWO PEOPLE BREAKING INTO A HOME. ONE TURNED OUT TO BE, HE WASN'T CONVICTED OF MURDER, BUT HE'S BEING TRIED FOR MURDER OUTSIDE THE CITY. THAT'S CONCERNING. I DON'T KNOW, WOULD THAT INDIVIDUAL, DID HE TOUCH ON ANY OTHER FLOCK CAMERA, JUST A GOOD POLICING THAT HELPED, UH, MAKE THAT ARREST THAT WASN'T THROUGH THE FLOCK SYSTEM. AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A DELAYED REPORT BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY THE PERSON THAT, UM, IS DECEASED LIVED ALONE. AND, UH, WHEN THE VEHICLE WAS STOLEN, IT WAS GOING TO TAKE TIME TO GO INTO THE SYSTEM AS STOLEN. WHAT LED TO THAT WAS PEOPLE'S CAMERAS AT THEIR HOMES THAT RECORDED SOMEBODY BURGLARIZING IT, WHICH THEN WE COULD CONNECT TO SOMEBODY, UM, FROM THE VALLEY THAT COMMITTED, UH, HOMICIDE. AND AGAIN, I WOULD SUSPECT THAT GOOD POLICING HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THAT. SO THIS IS A TOOL THAT HAS NEGATIVE IMPACTS. I GET IT. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THAT CAN BE USED WITH THESE TOOLS. AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS. COUNCIL BROUGHT UP A LOT OF GOOD SUGGESTIONS. UH, BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE CAMERAS AROUND US, OR I MEAN, YOU HAVE THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY AND WEAPONRY, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO REVOLVERS. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, TO, I KNOW, TIM, I KNOW YOUR FEELINGS, BUT, UM, I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, I'M CONCERNED THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY, AND I'M NOT GONNA SAY THE BEST TECHNOLOGY, BUT I'M GONNA SAY THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY. 'CAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD THE BEST ALWAYS. BUT, UM, THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. I WENT FIRST THIS TIME BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO GET SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS OUT. SO, UH, FINAL COMMENTS. DEREK, BEAR WITH ME HERE. I CAN'T READ MY OWN HANDWRITING. YOU WANT ME TO START THE OTHER SIDE? NO, I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD NOTES. AND ANYWAY, UM, I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT HOW THIS PLAYED OUT. UM, I UNDERSTAND HOW IT DID. UH, WE HAD A TRANSITION IN FROM ONE CITY MANAGER TO ANOTHER. UM, I STILL THINK, YOU KNOW, I ASKED Y'ALL THE QUESTION, WAS THIS A SORT OF AN UPGRADE? UM, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE IT WAS, IT WAS AN UPGRADE THAT HAD POLITICAL CONCERNS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONSULTED ON. BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING NEFARIOUS HERE. NOBODY WAS TRYING TO SNEAK THIS, YOU KNOW, IN UNDER THE RADAR. UH, OBVIOUSLY IF THEY DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THE CAMERAS WERE THERE, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE PUT 'EM ON A BIG POLE, YOU KNOW, OVERLOOKING A STREET. UM, THE FIRST AND ONLY TIME I HEARD ABOUT THIS WAS DURING THE BUDGET SESSION. UH, I JUST, I HEARD IT JUST KINDA SHRUGGED IT OFF. 'CAUSE FIGURED, UH, OKAY, THIS IS SOMETHING EITHER COUNCIL'S ALREADY DISCUSSED OR, 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THAT. I'M THE, I'M THE ROOKIE. UM, BUT I SHOULDN'T HAVE, I SHOULD HAVE SAID, HEY, WHAT IS THIS PROGRAM? WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DOING? AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE IN A BUDGET SESSION, YOU'RE IN THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THINKING, YOU'RE CRUNCHING NUMBERS IN YOUR HEAD. YOU'RE NOT REALLY THINKING POLITICS AS MUCH. SO I SHOULD HAVE ASKED. SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN SIT HERE AND POINT FINGERS AT ANY, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON SAID, WELL, YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS, OR YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT. UM, I THINK WE ALL SHARE SOME LEVEL OF BLAME. UM, KINDA LEADS ME TO MY NEXT POINT. THE REASON I SHRUGGED IT OFF IS I [03:35:01] DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY. UM, THERE'S NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THAT IT'S BOTH ILLEGAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL UNDER CURRENT LAW. UM, I WOULD VENTURE THE GUESS THAT VIRTUALLY EVERYONE HERE HAS SURRENDERED QUITE A BIT OF PRIVACY FOR CONVENIENCE, NOT FOR, NOT EVEN FOR SECURITY. I MEAN, WE ALL HAVE OUR PHONES. A LOT OF US USE AMAZON PEOPLE. WE HAVE TELEVISIONS THAT LISTEN TO US. AND I MEAN, EVERYWHERE WE GO, WE'RE BEING WATCHED. UM, AND I DO, I I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF FAITH IN THE SEDONA POLICE DEPARTMENT. UH, AND I WANT THEM TO HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO DO THEIR JOBS. I WANT THEM TO HAVE OF, YOU KNOW, I WANT THEM TO HAVE THE BEST, YOU KNOW, BEST WE CAN GIVE THEM. UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE IT'S LEGAL OR CONSTITUTIONAL DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD DO IT. UH, I AM CONCERNED, I SHARE SOME CONCERNS THAT THE RESIDENT, SOME RESIDENTS RAISED ABOUT THE DATA BEING ABUSED. UM, NO OFFENSE TO FLOCK, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW LONG BEFORE THEY FIGURE OUT HOW TO MONETIZE THIS INFORMATION. UH, I MEAN, I THINK WE SEE WITH FACEBOOK AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT SITES, THEY'RE COLLECTING DATA ON EVERYBODY. AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME. I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE PALANTIR INVESTORS SAY, HEY, WE WANT YOU TO DO THIS. AND YOU MAY HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING IT NOW. UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT MAY HAPPEN. UM, I'M WORRIED ABOUT MISSION CREEP. YOU KNOW, WE PUT THESE UP, OKAY, RIGHT NOW THEY CAN ONLY READ A LICENSE PLATE. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, DO FACIAL RECOGNITION. UM, AND I CAN COUNT ON THREE, FOUR FINGERS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT I'VE HEARD FROM WHO SUPPORTED THIS PROGRAM. UH, THE RESPONSE FROM THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN OVERWHELMINGLY NEGATIVE. I THINK SOME OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE TIMING AND PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE OR BASS ACKWARDS IS MELISSA DOESN'T PUT IT. UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS ISSUE, IT'S STRANGE BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SENDING US THESE COMMENTS AND THEY ARE ALL OVER THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S PRETTY RARE THAT WE SEE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. THE PEOPLE ON THE LEFT AGREE WITH THE PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT, AND THE PEOPLE ON THE FAR LEFT EVEN SOMETIMES ARE AGREEING WITH THE PEOPLE ON THE FAR RIGHT ON THIS ISSUE. SO, I, I, I THINK IT'S AN UN I THINK IT'S A PRETTY UNCOMMON THING. UM, SO AGAIN, PERSONALLY THIS DOESN'T BOTHER ME, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M ELECTED TO REPRESENT THE CITIZENS. AND I THINK IN THIS INSTANCE, THE CITIZENS HAVE OVERWHELMINGLY TOLD US THEY DON'T WANT THIS. UM, SO MOVING FORWARD, I THINK IN MY MIND THE TWO CHOICES ARE WE SCRAP IT ALL TOGETHER OR WE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY DON'T ACTIVATE THE SYSTEM FOR THE TIME BEING. UH, SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME ON THIS NARROW THE SCOPE OF, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, WE'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR WHAT, FOUR HOURS. UH, I THINK SOMETHING THIS IMPORTANT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SOME MORE TIME SPENT ON IT. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF NARROWING THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE DATA IS RETAINED WOULD, WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THE PUBLIC HAS. I DON'T KNOW. UM, BUT I THINK, YEAH, I THINK WE, WE EITHER NEED TO SCRAP IT OR MORE TIME. I'M LEANING TOWARDS SCRAPPING IT ALTOGETHER. UM, BUT I DO THINK THIS IS AN, I DO THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ENOUGH ISSUE. UH, WE'VE GOT THE PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS. WE'VE GOT THE PRIVACY CONCERNS. I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE SPENDING MORE TIME ON THIS THAN WE HAVE. UH, BUT WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW IS I, I JUST DON'T WANT THIS THING ACTIVATED. PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO I, I'LL JUST, UH, SHOW HE'S GOT HIS NOTES. THIS IS HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS. WE SIT HERE, WE LISTEN TO WHAT WE READ FIRST. WELL, I, I, I ACTUALLY WANNA START BY SAYING THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UH, SO WANNA THANK ALL THE PEOPLE THAT EMAILED. AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK ALL THE PEOPLE THAT STOPPED ME AT SAFEWAY, RIGHT? AND WALKING DOWN THE STREET. 'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK IN THIS. UH, AND I WOULD NOT SAY IT'S BEEN OVERWHELMINGLY NEGATIVE IN, IN PEOPLE THAT I'VE TALKED TO, BUT THIS IS HOW THE PROCESS LOOKS, RIGHT? WE, WE LISTEN TO ALL THAT. WE READ, I WRITE DOWN NOTES. I HOPE I CAN READ MINE AS WELL. UH, I GET YOUR SKEPTICISM. I ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRYING TIMES [03:40:01] THAT WE'RE IN AND THE SORT OF SUSPICION OF WIDESPREAD MASS SURVEILLANCE. IT'S CONCERNING TO ME TOO. UM, UH, I DO THINK THAT THIS IS A LEGITIMATE LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOL AND IT'S LEGAL, UH, AND TOOLS CAN BE USED AND MISUSED. AND I THINK THAT THE GOAL HERE FOR US TO GET GOOD VALUE OUTTA THE SYSTEM IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE THE SYSTEM TO GET THE BEST VALUE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THAT'S THE TRICK. BUT I THINK WE CAN DO THIS. I THINK WE'VE GOT A GREAT PROFESSIONAL POLICE STAFF. UM, AND I THINK WE COULD GET THERE. UM, I DO WANNA THANK THE CHIEF FOR, UH, SAYING THE, THE COMMENTS THAT YOU MADE ABOUT THIS ONE. WE MISSED A LITTLE BIT ON THIS ONE. UH, THIS IS A POLICY ISSUE AND SOMEHOW I THINK IT DID START INTERNALLY AS A TOOL CONVERSATION, BUT IT REALLY HAD SOME POLITICAL POLICY CONCERNS. AND I THINK THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR TO OUR STAFF THAT, THAT THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT WE THINK IS A POLICY ISSUE AND SHOULD BE COMING TO COUNCIL AND CHANGES IN THE FUTURE, UH, NEED TO COME TO US. AND SO I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT CREEP. IF WE GET SOMETHING WE ALL AGREE WITH, I THINK THAT, UH, WE CAN, UH, WE CAN MAKE IT WORK. UH, AND YOU KNOW, I I I'M COMPELLED BY A STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE BY OUR CITY MANAGER THAT IF YOU LIVE IN SEDONA, YOU'VE BEEN TO COTTONWOOD OR FLAGSTAFF OR I 17, YOUR CAR IS IN THE DATABASE ALREADY. AND I THINK THE COURT COURTS ACROSS THE NATION HAVE RULED THAT THIS IS, UH, NOT AN INVASION OF PRIVACY YET. THERE WAS ONE INTERESTING COMMENT IN ONE OF THE CASES. IT SAID, IF THE TRENDS CONTINUE AND MASS SURVEILLANCE CONTINUES TO GROW, IT MAY YET BECOME A PRIVACY ISSUE. UM, BUT IT'S NOT THERE YET. AND I'M INTERESTED IN WATCHING THAT AS WELL. UH, THERE WAS ONE COMMENT, UH, THAT WAS MADE THAT I JUST WANT TO ASK, UH, THE CHIEF AND THE COMMANDER A QUESTION. SO THESE CAMERAS ARE UP, 11 OF 'EM DATA'S GOING UP INTO THE CLOUD. THE COMMANDER, I THINK IS THE ONE THAT HAS GOT ACCESS TO THE DATA YET, BUT IT'S NOT BEING USED ANYWHERE. IF YOU HAD AN ACTIVE POLICE INVESTIGATION, NOBODY'S GOING TO THE COMMANDER TO SAY WHAT'S IN THAT DATABASE. WE'RE USING IT. SO I THAT, AND I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE CHIEF IS SHAKING HER HEAD. AND SO YOU OUGHT TO BE CAREFUL ASKING QUESTIONS YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO. BUT I THINK , I UNDERSTAND THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS NO, IT'S NOT BEING USED. SO YEAH, THIS PROCESS ISN'T PERFECT. I AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL. BUT YET YOU'RE ALL HERE. I HEARD FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. THIS SYSTEM IS NOT YET IN USE. THIS IS THE PROCESS. IT WAS MESSY THIS TIME, BUT THIS IS STILL THE PROCESS. IT'S OUR JOB TO FIND THESE THINGS AND THEN TO SURFACE 'EM. IF THEY WEREN'T SURFACED IN THE RIGHT WAY, THAT'S WHAT YOU ELECT US TO DO. AND THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE TODAY. SO PROCESS WASN'T PERFECT, BUT IT DID IN FACT WORK. THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT WHO COULD STOP IT IF THE GOVERNOR OR THE PRESIDENT SAID, HEY, I NEED THIS DATA BEING COLLECTED NOW. IS THE RULE THAT IT'S NOW BEING SHARED WITH ICER, WHOEVER, WELL, THAT I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN, BUT OUR CONTRACT SAYS WE CAN CANCEL THIS AT ANY TIME. AND I THINK THAT, WELL, I KNOW THAT I WOULD BE, UH, IN A RACE WITH MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE TO PUT THIS ON THE, UH, UH, ON OUR FUTURE AGENDA AND TO CANCEL THIS CONTRACT IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION IT STARTS TO GO. AND WE CAN DO THAT. THERE'S NO DOUBT WE CAN DO THAT. AND THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT WE WOULD DO THAT IF IT GOT OUT OF CONTROL. SO THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT. WE CAN ACTUALLY GET SOME THINGS DONE. THAT'S WHY I RAN FOR OFFICE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND, UH, THAT WE CAN ATTEND TO THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY. UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S YET WORK TO DO THAT WE'RE NOT READY TO TELL THE COMMANDER AND THE CHIEF TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT AND MOVE FORWARD. I WOULD LIKE THIS TO SEE THIS THING MOVE. WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHO WE SHARE IT WITH, THE DURATION THAT WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT, WHAT KIND OF REPORTING THAT WE'RE GONNA DO. AND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE THINGS ANSWERED BEFORE WE START USING THIS DATA. AND THEN WHAT KIND OF PUBLIC ACCESS TRANSPARENCY THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE. 'CAUSE I DO THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE SAY YES, BUT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT MOVING FORWARD. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF 30 DAYS. I GET THE FACT THAT THE TIMING OF THINGS CAN HAPPEN IN 30 DAYS. IT GOES BY QUICKER THAN YOU'D THINK. [03:45:01] IF THERE'S ONE KIDNAPPED CHILD THAT WE GET AN AMBER ALERT FOR THAT THIS TOOL CAN HELP US FIND. THAT IS THE PRICE THAT I'M WILLING TO PAY. WE HAVE TO, UH, TALK ABOUT VERY MUCH WHO WE IS IN OUR AGREEMENT AND WHAT LEVEL OF DATA WE'RE GONNA SHARE. AND AS I READ MY NOTES, I THINK I'VE EXHAUSTED MY POINTS. WELL, THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU PETE. KATHY. SO I AM NOT HAPPY WITH HOW THIS PLAYED OUT AT ALL. AND I AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT THAT WE HAVE ALL AT SOME POINT GIVEN UP DEGREES OF OUR PRIVACY, WHETHER IT'S TO AMAZON OR TO FACEBOOK OR TO WHATEVER. BUT THAT'S BEEN BY CHOICE. AND I DO THINK THAT EVEN WHEN WE CAN'T EXERT CHOICE OVER THAT OR IT'S NOT A SITUATION LIKE THAT, WE AT LEAST NEED TO BE INFORMED. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN HERE. AND FOR ME, IT'S A BIG PROBLEM, OKAY? THAT THERE WAS NO PUBLIC DISCUSSION OF THIS, NO PUBLICIZING OF THIS BEFOREHAND. I THINK UNFORTUNATELY THE CITY MANAGER IS TAKING , TAKING ONE FOR THE TEAM AND PUTTING HERSELF OUT THERE WILLINGLY. I DO NOT THINK THAT THE FAULT FOR THIS LIES THERE AT ALL. UM, I, I APPLAUD YOU, ANNETTE, FOR, FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE TO TRY AND GET INFORMATION HERE COMING FORWARD. AND THAT YOU WALKED INTO WHAT I THINK WAS ALREADY A MESS THAT WAS UNDERWAY. SO I I I HOPE YOU TAKE YOURSELF OUT OF THAT, UM, WILLINGLY SCAPEGOAT SEAT. 'CAUSE YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO BE THERE. SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE. I THINK THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS. I THINK THAT THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE PRO POSSIBLY INTERESTED IN THIS MORE THAN OTHERS, AND PEOPLE DIDN'T REALIZE. I THINK CONVERSATIONS MAY HAVE HAPPENED THAT THAT PUSHED THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S RIGHT. THAT IS NOT THE, THE WAY THAT WE DO THINGS. WE SAY THAT THERE, WE GET DECISION PACKETS IN OUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS. WE VET IT AS A GROUP. IT MOVES FORWARD TO THE NEXT LEVEL. THE FACT THAT THIS PROCESS DID NOT HAPPEN IS A MAJOR, MAJOR PROBLEM FOR ME. UH, I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A RESET, A DO-OVER. UH, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL FOR A PILOT PROGRAM THAT IS WHAT I HEARD COME FROM CITY STAFF AT VARIOUS LEVELS. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO CONSIDERING THE POSSIBILITY OF A PILOT PROGRAM IS NOT ENOUGH. CAVEATS CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY OF A POTENTIAL PRI ANYWAY. UM, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED FIRST AND THE PARAMETERS OF THAT PROGRAM NEED PRESENT TO BE PRESENTED FIRST BEFORE IT GOES FORWARD. SO WHAT I THINK IS THAT UNTIL THAT COMES FORWARD FOR THE RIGHT DISCUSSION, THAT THE SYSTEM AS IT IS NEEDS TO BE TURNED OFF. IT NEEDS TO BE TURNED OFF AND NOT COLLECTING THE DATA. NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT BEING ACCESSED, BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S STILL BEING COLLECTED FOR ME IS A PROBLEM. I THINK IT SHOULD BE TURNED OFF. THIS WHOLE THING SHOULD BE PUT ON A BIG OLD PAUSE. AND IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A PILOT PROGRAM, A PILOT PROGRAM WITH THE PARAMETERS OF THAT PILOT PROGRAM NEED TO COME FORWARD TO BE DISCUSSED TO ME, IT WOULD BE A TEMPORARY PILOT PROGRAM, THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS TO BE DETERMINED AFTER DISCUSSION. A TRANSPARENCY PORTAL WOULD NEED TO BE PRESENTED AS PART OF A PROPOSAL COMING FORWARD. I WOULD NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THE LENGTH OF TIME FOR THE DATA SHARE AT THE MOMENT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, 30 DAYS IS NOT PALATABLE. UH, SEVEN DAYS IS SOMETHING POSSIBLY THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD CONSIDER AS PART OF A PILOT. I WOULD WANNA KNOW IN A PILOT PROGRAM, IF WE WERE DISCUSSING THAT AGAIN, WHO WE WOULD BE, UH, AGREEING TO SHARE DATA WITH, I WOULD PROBABLY MAKE A PUSH THAT THAT BE ONLY LOCAL, UM, AGENCIES WITH WHOM WE HAVE A RECIPROCAL SHARING AGREEMENT AND WITH WHOM WE HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THEIR PRIVACY POLICIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GEL WITH OURS. AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN WE DON'T SHARE. SO THOSE ARE ALL PARTS OF WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A PILOT PROGRAM. AND THAT'S WHERE THIS CONVERSATION SHOULD HAVE STARTED WITH. HERE'S A PROPOSAL FOR A PILOT PROGRAM. LET'S HAVE THE FULL, FULL DISCUSSION. BACK TO THE PROCESS ISSUE. UM, MY COLLEAGUE HERE, UH, IN HIS EARLIER REMARKS DID SAY THAT HE WAS STILL LOOKING FOR INFORMATION OF TIME AND DATA STAMP TIME, UH, IN THE DISCUSSIONS OF WHEN THIS CAME FORWARD. SO WE COULD SEE WHERE THIS FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE REFERENCES CAME FROM, UH, TO THIS. I, BECAUSE AGAIN, , SORRY IF I WAS ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL, YOU KNOW, AS YOU MENTIONED BEFORE AS WELL. BUT [03:50:01] I AM NOT AWARE OF THIS PROGRAM. I DID NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THIS PROGRAM. MY JOB IS TO VOTE UP HERE REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY, KNOW WHAT THE COMMUNITY THINKS BEFORE I TAKE A VOTE. BUT I NEED THAT INFORMATION. I NEVER GOT THAT OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THIS. I STILL DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS INFORMATION CAME FROM. I WANT THAT TIMELINE. I WANT THAT TIMELINE OF HOW THIS CAME FORWARD AND WHY IT GOT PUSHED FORWARD. AGAIN, TO ME IT'S, IT'S A PROBLEM. AND I THINK IT HAPPENED SOMEWHERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE, AND IT'S NOT WITH THE CITY MANAGER. UM, SO I, THAT'S WHERE I AM. AND UNTIL WE GET THIS WRAPPED UP, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE THE SYSTEM TURNED OFF. I ASKED BEFORE FOR MR. CHANDLER IF THAT WAS A POSSIBILITY. HE ANSWERED THAT IT IS, AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE SHOULD BE YOU CUT. THANK YOU. OKAY, BRIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. I'LL TRY NOT TO REPEAT, UH, MUCH OF WHAT I AGREE WITH FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, UH, DAIS. FIRST OFF, UH, THANK YOU, UH, COMMANDER, CHIEF, UH, MR. CHANDLER FOR BEING PRESENT TO PRESENT THE, UH, FLOCK PROGRAM TO FIELD MANY QUESTIONS YOU'VE RECEIVED FROM COUNSEL AND COMMUNITY. UM, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. UH, YOU KNOW, IN, IN PREPARING FOR TODAY, I WAS THINKING ABOUT LIKE, HOW IS, IN WHAT WAY IS THIS IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND HOW DOES IT COMPARE WITH OTHER DECISIONS THAT GET PUT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL? AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME FAMILIAR FACES HERE AND THERE'S SOME UNFAMILIAR FACES HERE TONIGHT. SO IT TELLS ME THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS TOPIC, UM, HITS PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHERS. AND YOU KNOW, THIS IDEA OF PRIVACY FREEDOM, UM, THAT'S A DEEPLY PERSONAL SUBJECT AND ONE THAT, UM, I'M GUESSING FOR MANY IS PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANT THAN US VOTING TO SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS ON A SHARED USE PATH, UH, BY COMPARISON. SO THE, I GUESS I WANNA SAY TO THE COMMUNITY, THE GRAVITY OF, TO WHICH YOU, UM, HOLD THIS TOPIC, I APPRECIATE, RIGHT? I MIGHT NOT AGREE TO THE SAME LEVEL THAT YOU DO, BUT I ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO YOU. AND SO, UM, I'M JUST GRATEFUL THAT YOU ALL CAME, THAT YOU SPOKE, UH, VERY RESPECTFUL, UH, OF YOUR FELLOW MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. I THOUGHT THAT WAS GREAT. UM, WHERE I'M AT IS, AGAIN, VERY SIMILAR TO MY COLLEAGUES WHO'VE ALREADY SPOKEN. I CAN BE OPEN TO A PILOT, BUT I'M NOT READY TO GREEN LIGHT A PILOT. I THINK, UH, COUNSELOR ELLA'S RECOMMENDATION TO JUST SHUT IT DOWN FOR THE TIME BEING IS A GOOD MOVE. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. THE THREE BIG ISSUES I HAD WALKING IN ARE STILL THREE BIG ISSUES. I HAVE, UH, DATA SHARING. I WOULD WANT THE ABSOLUTE MOST STRICT VIA NOT JUST POLICY, BUT CODE IN THE SOFTWARE TO ENSURE THAT, UH, DATA SHARING IS MANAGED IN A WAY THAT WE WOULD WANT THAT IS, UH, IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR VALUES AS A COMMUNITY. AND I REALLY APPRECIATED COUNSELOR ELLA'S REMARK ABOUT AND COMPARING IT WITH THE PRIVACY POLICIES OF THOSE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT WE MIGHT CHOOSE TO SHARE THE DATA WITH. UM, DATA RETENTION IS THE OTHER OR IS THE NEXT ONE. AND I WOULD BE VERY MUCH LOOKING FOR THE ABSOLUTE BARE BONES MINIMUM, WHICH IF IT'S WITH FLOCK, AS I UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW IT'S SEVEN DAYS, BUT SINCE EVERYTHING'S IN DEVELOPMENT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF WE SAID WE WANTED SOMETHING SHORTER THAN PERHAPS THAT'S POSSIBLE, THAT KIND OF JUST SEEMS LIKE, UM, A HARD CODED VARIABLE IN A SOFTWARE PROGRAM. SO I HAVE A HARD TIME IMAGINING HOW SEVEN IS SOMETHING HARD TO NOT CHANGE TO THREE OR ONE OR, OR WHATEVER. SO DATA RETENTION IS A HOT BUTTON STILL. AND THEN THE THIRD PIECE IS RESIDENT INPUT, NOT AT THE END OF A PILOT BEFORE A PILOT RESIDENT INPUT IN THE FORM OF A WORKING GROUP THAT IS PART OF, UM, COMING TO CONSENSUS ON THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, UH, IN THE SPIRIT OF FULL TRANSPARENCY TO THE HIGHEST EXTENT THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO ME, AND SOMETHING THAT I WOULD HOPE MY FELLOW, UH, COUNSELORS WOULD SUPPORT AS FAR AS DIRECTION TO STAFF IF THIS IS TO CONTINUE TO BE, UH, WORKED ON. SO I THINK THAT COVERS EVERYTHING THAT I WANTED TO SHARE. SO, THANK YOU, MELISSA. THE PROBLEM WITH BEING LAST IS THAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID ALMOST EVERYTHING YOU'RE GONNA SAY. YOU'RE, I'M STILL, SO, WELL GO AHEAD. YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN. SO, UM, [03:55:01] QUESTIONS . SO I DO ALSO WANNA EXTEND MY THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO TOOK THE TIME TO COME HERE TODAY AND SIT THROUGH ALL OF THIS THAT'S SOMETIMES ARDUOUS. AND SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THOSE AREN'T THE MOST COMFORTABLE SEATS AND WE CAN BE LONG-WINDED. SO THANK YOU. UM, ALSO, ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SENT IN COMMENTS, UM, WHETHER TO COUNSEL IN GENERAL OR WHETHER TO ME SPECIFICALLY, I WANNA THANK YOU AS WELL FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LET ME KNOW HOW YOU'RE FEELING. 'CAUSE I CAN'T GUESS HOW YOU FEEL UNLESS YOU TELL ME HOW YOU FEEL. UM, SENTIMENT IS SOMETHING I'M, YOU KNOW, YOU PICK UP BY LISTENING TO PEOPLE TALK. SO PLEASE LET ALL OF US KNOW GOING FORWARD WHEN THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, COME TO YOUR ATTENTION. LET US KNOW HOW IT IS YOU'RE FEELING AND, AND WHAT IT IS YOU THINK SHOULD BE HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY. 'CAUSE WE ALL LIVE HERE. SO, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. LAW ENFORCEMENT. HEY, UM, I THINK WE HAVE PROBABLY THE BEST PD NOT JUST IN THE VERDE VALLEY, BUT IN, IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA. I THINK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AN AWESOME JOB AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO AN AWESOME JOB. AND I'M HIGHLY APPRECIATIVE OF HOW HARD IT IS IN THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT TO BE A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AND AS FAR AS OUR CITY MANAGER IS CONCERNED, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A BLAME GAME AT ALL THAT ANY OF US ARE PLAYING. I THINK I, I THINK SOMETHING HAPPENED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT SOMETHING HAPPENED AND I REMEMBER SEEING FLOCK COME UP, UM, DURING THE BUDGET. AND QUITE HONESTLY, IT DIDN'T RING ANY BELLS FOR ME BACK IN MARCH BECAUSE I SPENT SIX YEARS IN THE UK RIGHT? FLOCK WOULD BE THE LEAST OF YOUR WORRIES IN THE UK, TRUST ME. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST, THAT WAS THE WAY IT WAS AND YOU DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT. SO, WHEN I SAW FLOCK, AND THERE, BY THE WAY, THERE IS A FLOCK CAMERA THAT'S, THAT IS RUN BY THE, UM, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OUT ON 5 2 5, THAT THE GREATER SEDONA RECREATIONAL COLLABORATIVE, THE GSRC WAS USING TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW ATVS WERE WORKING OUT ON, ON 5, 2 5. SO I WAS AWARE THAT WE HAD AT LEAST ONE, I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD AS MANY AS WE HAVE, BUT I, WE HAD AT LEAST ONE IN THE AREA. UM, I DIDN'T BRING ANYTHING UP. NOW, PART OF THAT WAS BACK IN MARCH, IT WAS A DIFFERENT WORLD. WE LIVED IN A DIFFERENT WORLD, UM, AND THINGS CHANGED AND THEY STARTED TO CHANGE RAPIDLY, UM, AS TO DATA ABUSE, UM, HUMAN ABUSE, ALL KINDS OF ABUSE, UH, RULE OF LAW, WHO KNOWS, RIGHT? SO IT WAS A DIFFERENT WORLD, AND I THINK I THOUGHT ABOUT THINGS DIFFERENTLY THAN I DO NOW. I AGREE. WE, WE REALLY NEED TO, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THIS WELL-DEFINED AND REALLY NEED TO HAVE IT WELL UNDERSTOOD BEFORE WE GO AHEAD AND START TO DO THIS. AND I AGREE WITH, WITH BRIAN THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF CITIZENS PRIVACY ADVISORY BOARD, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, THAT'S ENGAGED IN THIS TO HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS THE COMMUNITY ITSELF IS FEELING. NOT JUST WHAT WE THINK, UM, UP HERE. UM, I'M NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORIST, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, BUT RIGHT NOW I HAVE TO SAY, LISTS CAN BE MANIPULATED, DATA COULD BE MANIPULATED. I SPENT MANY, MANY YEARS WORKING FOR COMPANIES LIKE MICROSOFT AND AMAZON, AND I CAN TELL YOU DATA CAN BE MANIPULATED. UM, UH, ERRORS CAN HAPPEN. AND SO WE, WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IMMIGRANTS AND WOULD THEY BE ON A HIT LIST? I THINK THE WORD YOU WERE LOOKING FOR WAS HOT LIST. UM, AND SURE THEY COULD BE PUT ON A HOT LIST. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PARAMETERS WOULD BE, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN. THAT'S THE WORLD WE LIVE IN. AND COULD THEY ACCIDENTALLY R PD GET AN N-C-I-N-C-I-C? DID I GET THAT RIGHT? HIT? UM, FOR SOMEONE WHO'S, BECAUSE THEY'RE AN IMMIGRANT, YEAH, IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WILL HAPPEN. SO I WOULD LIKE, I'M OKAY JUST LIKE OTHER MEMBERS UP HERE EXCEPT PERHAPS ONE AND SAYING IF WE COULD HAVE A CLOSELY AND WELL-DEFINED UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE WANT THIS TO BE AND WHERE THOSE CAMERAS ARE LOCATED, THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I'D BE WILLING TO CONSIDER WHEN IT CAME BACK TO ME WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD BE AN APPROACH WE WOULD TAKE. I THINK THE LOCATION OF THE CAMERAS ALSO SEEM TO BE AN ISSUE, UM, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. AND, UM, WE JUST NEED TO HAVE A COMMUNITY DISCUSSION. SO I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO I DO WANT TO ADD SOME MORE TO WHAT I SAID BEFORE. 'CAUSE I WAS GIVING PRETTY [04:00:01] MUCH ASKING QUESTIONS AND A FEW COMMENTS, BUT, UH, I TOO WOULD LIKE TO, UM, CONGRATULATE THE CITY MANAGER AND THANK HER FOR, I MEAN, THIS IS A, A HOT TOPIC. IT TURNED OUT TO BE WAY MORE THAN JUST A CI A POLICE RESOURCE. I THINK, UH, I CAN FIND NO FAULT WHATSOEVER IN ANYTHING THAT CITY STAFF DID, EXCEPT THINGS WE ALL ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR, MYSELF INCLUDED. I, AND I APPRECIATE THE CHIEF SAYING WHAT SHE SAID. I THINK, UH, THIS IS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE, BUT IT'S DOESN'T FALL ON CERTAINLY THE CITY MANAGER OR CITY MANAGER STAFF SHOULDERS. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. UH, I, AND I WANNA THANK HER FOR MENTIONING HER BEING THE CITY MANAGER FOR MENTIONING THAT ANYBODY WHO CAME FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY, YOU'RE ON A FLOCK CAMERA. DID YOU GO TO THOSE COMMUNITIES, THE COUNTIES, THE STATE, AND SAY, I DON'T WANT A FLOCK CAMERA. I DON'T WANNA BE ON THE FLOCK CAMERA BECAUSE YOU ARE. AND IT, IT'S A TOOL. AND RIGHT NOW IT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL. SO UNTIL THAT CHANGES, UH, I WOULD NOT BE, UH, SUPPORTING KILLING, UH, THE PROJECT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, OR PAUSING THE PROJECT. UNLESS THE GOVERNMENT WERE TO TURN AROUND AND SAY, WE WANT YOUR DATA. AND I THINK WE WILL ALL AGREE WITH THAT. A HUNDRED PERCENT. I'D KILL IT THE NEXT DAY. 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT THE INTENT. MY INTENT IS TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS. UH, HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE IS OUR MAIN, UH, UH, CREED HERE. AND I SEE THIS AS SAFETY OKAY. OF THE RESIDENTS IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS. I I HAVE A LAW ENFORCEMENT BACKGROUND. I DON'T, UH, HIDE THAT FROM ANYBODY. I DIDN'T HAVE SUCH A TOOL TO WORK WITH. THIS IS SOMETHING NEW THAT OUR LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE. I DON'T WANNA TIE THEIR HANDS, BUT I WANNA KEEP IT SAFE. I WOULD, UH, VERY MUCH SUPPORT LOOKING AT MAKING SOME CHANGES. UH, NOT BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THE CHANGES, BUT THE PUBLIC IS ASKING FOR CHANGES. AND WE DO REPRESENT, UH, THE PUBLIC AS WELL. SO, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A, A GOOD BALANCE. AND, UH, I, I GET THAT. I THINK RIGHT NOW, KILLING THE PROJECT, UH, OR PUTTING IT ON, ON PAUSE WHILE WE DO MORE RESEARCH, UH, I THINK WE'VE LEARNED A LOT. I THINK, UH, CITY MANAGERS, OFFICERS HEARD THINGS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS HEARD THINGS. WE CAN'T VOTE ON THIS TODAY ANYWAY, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT AGENDIZED TO VOTE ON IT. BUT I THINK THAT, UH, IT SHOULD STAY LOCKED THE WAY IT IS. COMMANDER DOW LIFE, COMPLETE TRUST IN HIS ACCESS. HE'S, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE CHIEF, UH, MAYBE YOU DON'T IMPLE IMPLEMENT IT FULLY. MAYBE JUST KEEP IT FOR TESTING PURPOSES. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SOME SMALL TWEAKS TO MAKE THE PUBLIC FEEL A BIT SAFER, UH, BECAUSE OF THEIR DATA. BUT THE FACT IS, OUR DATA'S NOT SAFE. IF YOU GO TO ANY OF THE FOOD STORES IN THIS COMMUNITY, YOU ARE ON CANDID CAMERA. I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT, UH, CHIEF, DO YOU KNOW SOME OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT MENTIONING ANY STORE NAMES, ANY OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE CAMERAS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE TO, TO THE DEEP, UH, COLLECTION OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, IF ANY? NO, I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK TO ANY OF THE, THE BUSINESSES, BUT MOST BUSINESSES IN TOWN DO HELP US IN OUR INVESTIGATIONS AND HAVE CAMERAS IN THEIR, THEIR BUSINESSES, RIGHT? SO, AND THAT'S USUALLY THE PARKING LOT AS WELL AS INTERNAL, RIGHT? SO WE ARE, WE ARE NOT HIDDEN. WE'RE NOT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, SAFE FROM DISCOVERY. AND WE NEED TO KEEP THE BAD GUYS OUT OR BE TO TRACK THEM COMING IN. SO, UM, ANY FINAL COMMENTS? BECAUSE WE, IT'S GETTING LATE. YES. UH, YES. KATHY AND DEREK. WELL, I, I, IT'S NOT AGENDIZED FOR A VOTE ON A CONTRACT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE ALWAYS GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF ON HOW TO PROCEED. WHAT I HAD, UM, RECOMMENDED, AND I THINK I HEARD FOREIGN SUPPORT AND, AND TWO AGAIN. SO I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT THE SYSTEM BE TURNED OFF UNTIL A, UH, UNTIL A REAL PROPOSAL COMES FORWARD. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE WE STAND ON ON THAT. COULD I ASK A THOUGHT, A QUESTION? I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION. TAGGING ONTO THAT, AND I'D LIKE TO PUT IT OUT TO THE CHIEF AND THE COMMANDER ABOUT, YOU'VE HEARD WHAT WE'VE SAID AND RIGHT. WE'RE SAYING THAT MORE SPECIFICITY, MORE DIRECTION, MORE INFORMATION FOR US BEFORE WE'RE READY TO MOVE IN THE DIRECTION LIKE THIS. IS THERE VALUE TO YOU IN ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS OF KEEPING THE SYSTEM ALIVE? OR DO YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT HOW IT OPERATES THAT YOU COULD SHUT IT DOWN AND, AND WORK THE POLICY ISSUES, UH, WITHOUT IT? [04:05:01] SO I WOULD SAY BASED ON EVERYTHING YOU, YOU'VE ALL GIVEN, I'VE TAKEN NOTES ON THE, THE DIRECTION SIDE OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. SO I THINK, UM, MAYBE THE NEXT DECISION THAT YOU CAN GIVE US DIRECTION ON IS IF YOU WANT THE SYSTEM OFF OR WE MAINTAIN IT WHERE IT IS SO THAT WHEN IT'S READY THAT WE HAD THAT 30 DAYS OF WHAT WE'RE ESTABLISHING, UNLESS WE'RE CHANGING THAT IN CASE WE HAD SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED TO GO BACK TO. SO FOR ME, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MOST DIRECTION I NEED FROM LEAVING HERE TODAY, IS IF WE'RE TURNING IT OFF OR WE'RE LEAVING IT ONLY ON WITH COMMANDER DOWELL THAT HAS ACCESS THAT WE HAVEN'T UTILIZED IN ANY WAY. SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE, THE DIRECTION, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE REST OF THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE THE SYSTEM REGARDLESS GOING FORWARD, WITHOUT COMING BACK WITH HAVING SOME OTHER PARAMETERS ESTABLISHED ON, ON, ON DATA SHARING, RETENTION LOCATIONS. THAT THAT'S WHERE I'M FINDING THE, THE REAL, UM, SUBSTANCE OF WHAT WE NEED TO COME BACK FOR AND, AND PRESENT AS FAR AS WHETHER WE'RE TURNING IT OFF OR LEAVING IT ON WITH THE 30 DAY RETENTION. AND ONLY ONE PERSON IN THE DEPARTMENT HAS ACCESS TO THAT SYSTEM RIGHT NOW. NO OTHER AGENCY OUTSIDE HAS IT. THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I WOULD NEED TO LEAVE HERE. UNDERSTANDING THE REST, I THINK I HAVE A GOOD GRASP ON OF WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD AND WHAT NEEDS TO COME BACK. SORT OF MY, MY QUESTION REALLY WAS SPECIFIC ABOUT IS THERE VALUE LEAVING IT ON TO DEVELOPING THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE TO DO? OR DO WE KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE SYSTEM? IT CAN BE SHUT OFF AND WE CAN GET ALL THE ANSWERS AND POLICY DIRECTION THAT WE NEED MOVING FORWARD. WE'RE NOT USING IT. SO FOR IT TO BE ON AND JUST SITTING THERE IS OF NO VALUE TO US. WE'RE NOT MONITORING IT. WE HAVEN'T GONE OUT. IF A LITTLE ALERT CAME IN, SO I, I'M GONNA SAY AT, AT THIS POINT, YOU CAN JUST TURN IT OFF. WE'RE NOT USING IT. IT, IT'S ONE PERSON WITH ACCESS. WE CAN JUST WAIT UNTIL WE COME BACK TO IT. I, I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S IN HELPING OUR COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW WITH ANY SAFETY. SO WE COULD TURN IT OFF UNTIL WE COME BACK AND THEN PRESENT THE REST OF WHAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR. GOOD WITH THAT. I SUPPORT TURNING IT OFF. I DO TURN IT OFF. YOU DO? TURN IT OFF. I DON'T AGREE WITH IT, BUT ACCORDING TO WHAT THE CHIEF SAYS, THERE'S NO VALUE TO KEEPING IT ON. SO I, I WOULD GUESS, UH, SO I WAS HOPING YOU'D HAVE SOME KIND OF TESTING VALUE WITHOUT COLLECT, YOU KNOW, DATA COLLECTION AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE, CORRECT? I DON'T SEE WHAT COLLECTING THE DATA THAT WE CAN'T UTILIZE IN THE FIELD WOULD GIVE US OUTSIDE OF SEEING WHAT WE'RE MISSING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO KEEP IT ON AND THEN DO AN AUDIT TO SAY, IN THE TIME THAT WE'VE HAD IT AND HAVEN'T UTILIZED IT, WE'VE MISSED THIS MANY HITS. THAT WOULD BE A VALUE TO YOU FOR US TO PRESENT HOW MANY THINGS WE WOULD HAVE INVESTIGATIVE OR GONE AFTER. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN. THAT WOULD BE THE VALUE ON THE FLIP SIDE, BUT FOR US JUST TO SIT THERE WITH IT AND NOT UTILIZE IT, UM, JUST KIND OF LET YOU KNOW THAT THINGS ARE COMING INTO TOWN AND OUR HANDS ARE TIED. AND SO I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR FREE PASS THROUGH TOWN. SO I, I AND I, I WILL GO ALONG WITH THAT, WHETHER THE OTHERS DO OR NOT. I I THINK THE COMMUNITY SHOULD KNOW WHAT'S GOING THROUGH OUR TOWN. UH, LIKE YOU SAID, WELCOME TO SEDONA. HAVE A FREE PASS. UH, I THINK THAT WAS VERY ELOQUENT. THANK YOU. IF I'M ONLY ONE, SO BE IT. ACTUALLY TURN IT OFF. TURN IT OFF. TURN IT OFF. OKAY. FIVE ONE. OKAY. UH, MAYOR. YES. I WANNA KNOW, DOES COUNCILOR KINSELLA HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS OF DIRECTION THAT SHE WANTS TO CLARIFY? YEAH, WELL, NO, THAT I WOULD LIKE THE INFORMATION THAT, UM, COUNCILLOR HERMAN REQUESTED BEFORE. I STILL WANNA SEE WHERE THIS, WHERE I WANNA BE ABLE TO TRACE THE SPEC SO THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. SO I WANNA BE ABLE TO GET THE TIMESTAMPED REFERENCES SO WE CAN SEE WHERE IT WAS DISCUSSED AND ANY CONVERSATIONS THAT HAPPENED, UH, ABOUT IT OUTSIDE OF THAT, BECAUSE THE PROCESS, WE CAN GET A LEARNING EXPERIENCE HERE AND FIX IT. OKAY. AND THE OTHER, THE OTHER POINT OF DIRECTION, I THINK THE, UM, CHIEF SAID THAT SHE HAD, UH, TAKEN THE NOTES ON THAT, UH, TO THE, UH, PARAMETERS THAT I HAD SAID TO COME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS PART OF A PILOT PROPOSAL COME FORWARD. SO IF THAT NEEDS TO BE REITERATED, I CAN DO THAT EITHER NOW OR OFFLINE, WHATEVER YOU LIKE. BUT I WAS LOOKING, IS THERE SOME OTHER PIECE THAT YOU SAID YEAH, I WAS LOOKING FOR IF THERE'S, UH, ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR A RESIDENT WORKING GROUP NOW I'M NOT LATER. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. GOOD. SO, WELL, I THINK, COULD WE DISCUSS THAT WHEN WE, IF IT COMES BACK IN 30 DAYS WITH THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED? NO, THE WORKING GROUP SHOULD BE PART OF WHAT GETS PRODUCED BETWEEN NOW AND 30 DAYS FROM NOW. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? WHO'S PICKING THE MEMBERS OF THAT GROUP AND HOW ARE YOU GONNA, THAT'LL BE CITY MANAGER GROUP. MM-HMM . DO YOU [04:10:01] WANT ME TO PICK PEOPLE? OKAY. MM-HMM . I, I MEAN I, I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT. I, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PUBLIC WORKING GROUP DELAY THIS THING, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIALLY. IT, IT COULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL DELAY. I DON'T WANNA SEE IT. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TOOL. POTENTIALLY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PROGRESS CONTINUE TO MOVE ON THIS WITHOUT HAVING TO GET, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA DELAY THIS A YEAR. I WOULD HOPE NOT A YEAR, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST OF 2025. WE'RE, WE'VE MADE IT THIS FAR AND WE'RE STILL ALIVE. SO I DON'T THINK I'M THAT CONCERNED ABOUT IF IT TAKES AN EXTRA 30 DAYS BECAUSE WE GOT RESIDENT INPUT IN THE MEANTIME. YOU HAVE SUCH A HIGH BAR. WE'RE STILL ALIVE. WELL, UM, ANNETTE, UH, SEPTEMBER 10TH, WE CAN'T GO, UH, DO ANYTHING LATER IN SEPTEMBER. YOU'LL BE ON VACATION, BUT, UH, CAN WE HAVE IT COME BACK IN 30 DAYS? IS THERE ANY ROOM? WHY 30 DAYS? THAT'S THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER. I MEAN, I CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THE CHIEF, ANDY, WHOEVER. OKAY. DO THAT. OR YOU CAN WAIT TILL THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER. I MEAN, THAT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN 30 DAYS, BUT I'LL BE, BE HERE. HOW DO YOU FEEL? OCTOBER? YEAH, JUST WAIT. LET'S GET THIS RIGHT. LET'S GET IT RIGHT. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANTED TO DO IT NOW, BUT I DO WANNA CLARIFY. YOU'RE ASKING ME TO BRING FORWARD A GROUP PLUS A RECOMMENDATION PLUS ALL THESE THINGS AND THAT TIMEFRAME. AND I WAS GOING BY WHAT, AND MEET WITH THIS CREW AND WAS SUGGESTING DO ALL THE WESTERN GATEWAY, MASTER PLAN STUFF, ALL OF THAT. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SLIP ALL TOGETHER RIGHT NOW? . WHAT WAS THAT PETE? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SLIP? YEAH. SOMETHING HAS TO GET, I WOULD LET THIS SLIP BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS IS LIFE OR DEATH RIGHT NOW. IIII WOULD SAY THAT THE, IF ANNETTE, CAN I ASK YOU, DOES THE, UM, FORMING A WORKING GROUP TO, IN MY MIND, WOULD BE PART OF A PROPOSAL THAT COMES FORWARD AND HERE'S WHAT A WORKING GROUP WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT HAS TO BE ESTABLISHED. WELL, THAT'S WHY I ESTABLISHED, I WAS ASKING THE CLARIFICATION IS DO YOU WANT THE COMPLETE WORK DONE ALL THE MEETINGS WITH THE WORKING GROUP, EVERYTHING NO. AND BROUGHT BACK TO YOU? NO, I BY THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER? OR ARE YOU ASKING ME TO BRING BACK, HERE'S THE WORKING GROUP, HERE'S THE, THE DRAFT AND THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THAT GROUP WOULD HAPPEN AFTER YOU LOOK AT IT. MM-HMM . THAT, I'M JUST GETTING CLARIFICATION ON THE AMOUNT AND INTENSITY OF WORK YOU WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IN A VERY SHORT TIME. I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE DON'T MAKE A DECISION ABOUT TURNING ON THE FLOCK SYSTEM, USING THE FLOCK SYSTEM UNTIL WE HAVE NOT ONLY A SET OF POLICIES, BUT WE HAVE INPUT FROM THAT CITIZENS GROUP AROUND THOSE POLICIES. OKAY. AND IF I DON'T THINK I CAN GET THAT, I'M NOT ASKING. YOU DO, AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO DO IT BY OCTOBER. NO. RIGHT? NEITHER AM I, I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE BY OCTOBER EITHER. I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CITY MANAGERS OR YOU DOING THIS. AND WE, AT THAT TIME WHEN WE DISCUSS THESE POLICIES, THAT'S WHERE WE JUST SET UP WHAT, WELL, WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR THE WORKING GROUP BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE ANY SAY IN IT. 'CAUSE THAT'S, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL. SO, UH, BUT I AGREE WITH PETE. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN. BUT I AGREE WITH PETE. I DON'T WANNA SEE THIS GO OFF SIX MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS. I SEE THIS AS A, AS A, UH, IMPORTANT TOOL. AND IF IT'S GONNA BE TURNED OFF, WE WON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE MISSING. BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA PUT IT OFF TOO LONG. I THINK BETWEEN THE CHIEF AND THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY, WE CAN, OR THEY CAN COME UP WITH, UH, RESPONSES TO THE QUESTIONS AND ISSUES THAT THE PUBLIC HAS. AND SO DO WE. SO, BUT WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK HERE WHERE WE ARE TODAY, RIGHT? IF THEY, YES, WE'LL PUBLISH ALL OF THE POLICIES AND THE RULES AND WHATEVER, BUT SINCE CITIZENS HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO THINK ABOUT IT, TO, TO DISCUSS IT, WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK WHERE WE ARE HERE TODAY, RIGHT? BECAUSE NOW WE'RE SAYING, BUT YOU CAN'T, YOU'VE GIVEN US ALL OF THAT. BUT NOW I NEED THIS CITIZENS GROUP TO GIVE US INPUT ON WHETHER OR NOT THOSE POLICIES ARE CORRECT. SO IT COULD STILL BE MONTHS BEFORE WE GET THE POLICIES WHERE EVERYONE HAS AGREED WHERE THE OUTCOME COULD BE. NOBODY WANTS THIS NO MATTER WHAT WE DO. NO RESIDENT GROUP WANTS THIS. AND SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION AND IT JUST FEELS LIKE WE'RE JUST GONNA END UP RIGHT BACK WHERE WE ARE TODAY. OR I DEPEND ON THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CHIEF TO HAVE HEARD EVERYBODY AS DID WE. AND WE KNOW WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS SAID HERE, AND THAT'S ONLY A VERY SMALL [04:15:01] MINUTIA OF THE PUBLIC. MORE PEOPLE CAN BE, AND MORE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN EMAILING US. UH, I DON'T SEE US, UH, BEING, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IT OFF FOR SIX, EIGHT MONTHS. THE WESTERN GATEWAY IS A CRITICAL PROCESS THAT WE'RE JUST GETTING INTO. SO MAYOR, PLEASE DON'T UNDERESTIMATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS TOPIC TO THE COMMUNITY. THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM DOES NOT IN ANY WAY REPRESENT WHAT THE OVERALL PULSE OF THE COMMUNITY MAY WELL BE. AND IF WE NEED TO WAIT TILL NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER, SO WHAT, IT'S THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST, LET'S GET IT RIGHT. LET'S HAVE THE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY IN SHAPING THE POLICY SO THAT THE NEXT TIME IT'S IN FRONT OF US, THERE'S SOME RESIDENTS THAT SAY, YEAH, WE, WE DIDN'T LIKE THIS, WE LIKED THAT, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE COULD FIND CONSENSUS AND THIS IS WHAT WE COULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH. ALRIGHT? DID I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE SEE IF YOU AGREE THAT WE JUST LEAVE IT FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO DECIDE WHEN IT WORKS INTO HER SCHEDULE AND HOWEVER LONG THAT TAKES, IT'S IN HER HANDS. AND I WOULD TRUST THAT. DO WE HAVE AGREEMENT ON THAT? DOES THE CITY MANAGER AGREE WITH THAT? ? I DON'T KNOW. I OBVIOUSLY WILL DO MY BEST AND, AND WILL NOT PUT IT OFF. IT'S JUST THE RECOGNITION OF THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN TASKED TO ME AND MY STAFF BEFORE THIS CONVERSATION. SO EVEN IF IT TAKES A YEAR, I, I, NO, I, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE THAT LONG. OKAY. I WOULD JUST HAD A CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SIX WEEKS FROM NOW. BUT WE CERTAINLY WILL DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND, AND WORK ON IT. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU DEREK. UH, JUST A SUGGESTION FOR MR. CHANDLER. BASED ON A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD, Y'ALL NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE A SHORTER DATA RETENTION. I, BRIAN SAID, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD BE A MATTER OF ENTERING A NEW LINE OF CODE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CODING, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE LIKE IT SHOULD BE THAT DIFFICULT TO CHANGE THAT TO MAKE IT WHATEVER WE WANT IT TO BE. SO I GUESS MY, MY SUGGESTION TO YOU IS FIGURE IT OUT. I MEAN, I, RIGHT NOW I'M OPPOSED TO THE PROGRAM. I'M OPEN TO BEING CONVINCED OTHERWISE, BUT I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA BE HAPPY WITH SEVEN DAY DATA RETENTION. AND I REALIZE THAT NARROWS THE VALUE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO WEIGH THAT AGAINST PRIVACY. SO ANYWAY, FIGURE IT OUT. OKAY, ANYTHING FROM THIS SIDE TO FINALIZE? ANDY, ANNETTE, KURT. OKAY. Y'ALL HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED. [3.b. Discussion/possible action regarding ideas for future meetings/agenda items.] OKAY. UH, THREE B DISCUSSION. UH, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING IDEAS OF FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS. I THINK WE JUST DISCUSSED THAT AS WELL TOO. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? HEARING NOTHING. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.