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ME.[ 1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]
OKAY.GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME EVERYONE.
WE'RE OPEN, THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
UH, PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
OKAY, AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
[ 2. ROLL CALL/MOMENT OF ART]
WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR JALO.[ 3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE ]
THREE.UH, CONSENT ITEMS. UH, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE STAFF, UH, COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC TO PULL ANY ITEMS. UH, MAYOR MOMENT OF ART.
SO LET'S GO BACK TO A MOMENT OF ART.
SO WHY DON'T YOU GIVE YOUR PRESENTATION? OKAY.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS.
UM, BEFORE I START THE PRESENTATION FOR THE MOMENT OF ART, I JUST WANTED YOU TO NOTICE THERE IS A NEW EXHIBIT WHICH YOU CAN'T MISS.
UH, THE FRONT IS GREG LAWSON'S PHOTOGRAPHY AND THE BACK OF THE ROOM IS HOPE RICHARD'S, UM, IMPRESSIONISTIC STYLE LANDSCAPES.
AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, BETWEEN COUNCILOR, UM, DUNN AND VICE MAYOR PLU, THERE IS A MOUNTAIN THERE, MOUNTAIN RUNDLE, AND THAT IS IN BANFF NATIONAL PARK AND IS SEEN FROM CANMORE, WHICH IS OUR SISTER CITY.
SO WE PUT THAT UP THERE AND BEHIND COUNSELOR FOLTZ IS THE 2014 SLIDE FIRE.
AND THERE HAPPENS TO BE SMOKE COMING OUTTA COFFEE POT IN THAT SHOT.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING COMPOSITION.
SO ANYWAY, WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE, TAKE A, YOU KNOW, TIME TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING.
AND IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED IN PURCHASING ME, UM, THE RECEPTION WILL BE SEPTEMBER 18TH, THURSDAY FROM FOUR TO SIX.
IN THIS ROOM, THE MUSICAL GUEST IS, UM, HOPE'S SON, WHO'S A VERY ACCOMPLISHED VIOLINIST.
AND SO, UM, I HOPE YOU CAN ALL JOIN US.
SO, MOMENT OF ART, MICHAEL KITZ IS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST STUDENTS OF THE CHAPMAN STICK.
A STRANGE BUT BEAUTIFUL 10 OR 12 STRING INSTRUMENT THAT'S UNIQUE DESIGN.
LOOKS LIKE IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE AND WAS INVENTED IN CALIFORNIA IN 1974.
MICHAEL HAS SPENT NEARLY FIVE DECADES MAKING IT SOUND LIKE A GUITAR, A BASS, AND A PIANO ALL ROLLED INTO ONE.
HE'S HAD OVER 30 RELEASES WITH SOME MAKING IT ONTO BILLBOARD, WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT HIS ADVENTURES, AND NOW GIVES PRESENTATIONS AS BOTH A SPEAKER AND A MUSICIAN.
WHEN HE'S NOT PERFORMING, HE'S GIVING TALKS ABOUT PERSISTENCE, CREATIVITY, AND DOING WHAT YOU LOVE.
BASICALLY PROVING THAT EVEN AN ODD INSTRUMENT CAN TEACH US SOMETHING USEFUL.
IN FACT, ONE OF HIS BOOKS IS, UM, APPROPRIATELY ENTITLED, STICK WITH IT.
TODAY MICHAEL WILL BE SHARING TWO EVOCATIVE PIECES ON THE CHAPMAN STICK, AUTUMN LEAVES, TYING IN WITH THE SEASON, UM, THE BELOVED STANDARD BY FRENCH COMPOSER JOSEPH COSMA AND ELFA ROLL THE LANTERN, A SOULFUL INSTRUMENT WRITTEN BY CARLOS SANTANA.
TOGETHER THESE WORKS INVITE US INTO A MOMENT OF REFLECTION AND BEAUTY BEFORE YOUR MEETING BEGINS.
PLEASE WELCOME SIT DONNA'S OWN ONE MAN ORCHESTRA.
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YOU.IS YOU GONNA NEED A, A MINUTE OR TWO TO BREAK EVERYTHING DOWN? UH, NANCY.
NOW LET'S GO TO CONSENT ITEMS, UH, A THROUGH G.
UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? MAYOR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT TO ITEMS THREE A THROUGH 3G.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, JOE, WE'RE UNANIMOUS APPOINTMENTS.
[ 5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS ]
FIVE, SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MYSELF, THE COUNCIL, THE CITY MANAGER, UH, I THINK THE CITY MANAGER HAS SOME COMMENTS TO MAKE.YEAH, IF THERE ISN'T ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS, GO AHEAD.
UM, I WANTED TO LET THE COUNCIL KNOW THAT, UM, OUR PROJECT TO, UM, CREATE A NEW GRASS AREA FOR YAPPY HOUR HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
UM, IT'S LOCATED AT 2 2 1 BREWER ROAD, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM RANGER STATION PARK.
AND THE HOURS, UM, FOR YAPPY HOUR, WHICH FOR THE AUDIENCES ARE OFF LEASH, DOG TIME,
BUT WITH THE NEW PICKLEBALL COURTS AND EVERYTHING, WE HAVE A NEW LOCATION FOR THEM.
UM, SO THAT SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS FROM 7:00 AM TO 8:00 AM UM, IN THE SUMMER AND IN THE WINTER HOURS, THAT WILL JUST BE AN HOUR LATER STARTING AT 8:00 AM.
UM, AND THAT'S FOR THE GREYHOUND GROUP.
AND THE YAPPY HOUR FOR THE NON GREYHOUND DOGS, UM, ARE THE HOUR AFTER THAT THAT GREYHOUND IS DONE.
UM, AND SO, BUT DURING, UM, REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT, WHICH IS, UH, THIS IS LOCATED BEHIND THE COURT, WE ASK THAT THE GATES REMAIN OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC THAT'S COMING TO THE COURT, BUT ON THE WEEKENDS AVAILABLE FOR THE OFF-LEASH DOG AREA.
SO IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE YET, PLEASE CHECK IT OUT.
I THINK WE'RE GETTING SOME POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THOSE, UM, PARTICIPANTS.
UH, VICE MAYOR, YOU HAD SOMETHING I DID.
I JUST WANNA SAY I SPOKE TO SEVERAL YAPPY HOUR ATTENDEES, REGULARS, AND THEY WERE JUST THRILLED.
AND I THINK, AND ALSO PUBLIC WORKS.
EVERYBODY WHO IS INVOLVED WITH IT, IT'S REALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE AND THEY LOVE THE FACT THAT THEY'RE ON GRASS, AS YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST ISSUES.
A THANK YOU TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY.
WE LEASE IT FROM THEM, UM, FOR ALLOWING US TO PUT UP THE FENCE AND DO THAT.
PETE, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? YES, MAYOR.
I WANT TO REPORT OUT TO MY COLLEAGUES AND TO STAFF, UM, AND THEN TO OUR AUDIENCE, UH, TO KNOW THE DETAIL THAT I AM THE COUNCIL LIAISON TO THE COCONINO PLATEAU PLATEAU WATER PARTNERSHIP AND WATER ADVISORY COUNCIL.
SO I WAS, UH, REELECTED AS VICE CHAIR OF THAT GROUP.
UM, SO SEDONA WILL CONTINUE ITS TRADITION OF BEING WELL REPRESENTED.
JOHN MARTINEZ WAS MY PREDECESSOR IN THAT POSITION, UH, BEFORE I GOT THERE.
AND THEN SECONDLY, UH, I, LAST, UH, TIME I REPORTED ON, UM, THE CP WAC AND PARTNERSHIP.
I TALKED ABOUT THAT WE HELD A, UH, GROUNDWATER RESILIENCY WORKSHOP THAT WAS SPONSORED BY A SU AND, AND THE THREE UNIVERSITIES AND WAS REALLY WELL ATTENDED.
WELL, WE HAVE DECIDED TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, AND HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP, AND WE ARE GONNA FOCUS IT ON WEBSITE-BASED APPLICATIONS THAT IDENTIFY GROUNDWATER LEVEL HISTORY AND TRENDS.
AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY AFTER HERE IS THAT THERE'S SOME GOOD INFORMATION STATEWIDE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY AT A STATEWIDE LEVEL, UH, AND NOT SO MUCH DETAILED.
AND SO WE IN OUR AREA ARE GONNA BE THE FIRST TO MOVE FORWARD TO SEE IF WE CAN'T GET THIS TYPE OF INFORMATION, UH, IN MORE DETAILED FORM FOR OUR REGION.
SO I THINK THAT COULD, WILL BE VERY HELPFUL AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.
I WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UM, OUR GREAT MUSEUM WAS FEATURED THIS MONTH IN ARTSOURCE MAGAZINE.
AND WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT THAT'S GREG LAWSON, WHOSE WORK IS UP HERE, HIS MAGAZINE.
AND THEY, UH, AND THEN NANCY, OH, SHE LEFT.
NANCY, OUR ARTS COORDINATOR WROTE A, UH, PIECE ABOUT SEDONAS CINEMATIC HISTORY, WHICH IS ALSO IN THERE THAT IS TIED TO THE MUSEUM.
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UH, AND THEN DEB AND CHANDRA AND THE DWELL, THE DEAD QUILTS SOCIETY IS ALSO MENTIONED.SO ALMOST ALL OF ART SOURCES ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT THE MUSEUM.
ALSO AN INTERVIEW WITH NATE MEYER.
SO EVERYBODY, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN READ ARTSOURCE MAGAZINE THIS MONTH AND GET A FILLED WITH ALL EXCITING NEWS ABOUT THE MUSEUM.
ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, I WANNA REMIND EVERYONE THAT THIS THURSDAY IS NINE 11, WHERE THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT HAS HISTORICALLY FOR MANY YEARS NOW HOSTED A NINE 11 MEMORIAL.
UH, THIS, UH, YEAR, IT WILL BE AT EIGHT 20 IN THE MORNING AND THEY'LL HAVE A SMALL, UH, CELEBRATE, WELL, I WON'T SAY CELEBRATION A, A SMALL REMEMBRANCE, BUT A PANCAKE BREAKFAST TO FOLLOW, WHICH IS PRETTY NICE.
YOU CAN ENJOY BREAKFAST COOKED BY THE FIREFIGHTERS.
WE'LL GO MOVE ON TO, UH, DO WE HAVE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION? NOTHING.
[ 6. PUBLIC FORUM ]
SIX, PUBLIC FORUM.IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY FILLED OUT YOUR CARDS FOR ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY.
WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE, UH, WE'LL START OFF WITH JOHN MARTINEZ.
WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY JACK ROSS.
THANK YOU, UH, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS JOHN MARTINEZ AND I DO LIVE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA.
I'M SURE THAT THE MAJORITY OF INDIVIDUALS IN THIS ROOM AND IN TV LAND HAVE SEEN THE AMERICAN FLAGS THAT ARE OUT ON 89 A WHILE.
I AM PART OF THE MILITARY ORGANIZATION CALLED SAFECO.
SAFECO STANDS FOR SEDONA AREA VETERANS COMMUNITY OUTREACH, AND WE PERFORM THAT TASK.
BUT WHAT DOES SAFE CO DO? SAFE CO PLACES THE FLAGS ON 89 A, WE DO TOYS FOR TOTS.
WE PROVIDE DIRECT VETERANS ASSISTANCE.
WE SUPPORT OTHER COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, 5 0 1 C3, AND WE ALSO DO HIGH SCHOOL, UH, SCHOLARSHIPS.
SAFE CO FOCUSES ON A CIVIC AND SOCIAL ACTIVITIES THAT ARE PATRIOTIC AND NONPOLITICAL IN NATURE.
AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE A VETERAN TO JOIN.
OUR MEMBERS ARE CIVIC-MINDED WOMEN AND MEN WHO CARE ABOUT THE SEDONA COMMUNITY.
ALL MEMBERS HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF VOTING ON ORGANIZATIONAL MATTERS, HOLDING ELECTED OR APPOINTED OFFICE IN THE ORGANIZATION AND SIMPLY GATHER PARTICIPATING IN WHATEVER PROJECTS OR ACTIVITIES THAT INTEREST THEM.
OUR MONTHLY MEETINGS ARE HELD THE SECOND THURSDAY OF THE MONTH AT SEDONA.
WE ARE A 5 0 1 C3 ORGANIZATION.
OUR MISSION IS TO BE VITAL, INCLUSIVE AND A GROWING ORGAN ORGANIZATION THAT EMBRACES EVERYONE.
OUR MOTTO IS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE.
AND WHAT I'M ABOUT TO INTRODUCE, BASICALLY, AND I WAS GONNA SAY, I WANNA YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME TO THE PRESIDENT OF OUR ORGANIZATION, JACK ROSS, TO TALK ABOUT, UH, WHAT IS COMING UP TO FUND A LOT OF THESE ACTIVITIES THAT WE DO.
BUT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO HAVE JACK ROSS COME UP.
JACK ROSS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, TIM PERRY.
WELL, THANKS JOHN FOR THAT INTRODUCTION.
UH, MAYOR VICE MAYOR CITY COUNCIL, THANKS FOR HAVING US HERE.
UH, SAFE GO MINUTE AND IT'S TIME FOR THAT.
AND AS JOHN SAID, THE SEDONA AREA VETERAN AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
WHAT'S GOING ON? SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 27TH, 0 7 30.
REGISTRATION BEGINS AT THE OAK CREEK COUNTRY CLUB.
WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE BEST BALL IS.
FOUR PEOPLE GET UP, YOU WHACK IT.
YOU PUT, DROP YOUR BALL THERE AND YOU CONTINUE.
YOU GET SOME CRAZY LOW SCORES.
IT'S MORE THAN JUST A DAY IN THE GREEN.
SO IT'S A DAY OF GIVING BACK AND UNITY.
YOUR PARTICIPATION SUPPORTS THE DONUT'S MOST IMPACTFUL CHARITIES, WHICH SAFECO IS PROUD TO BE ONE.
AND AS JOHN MENTIONED, WE CONTRIBUTE TO TOYS FOR TOTS, THE 89 FLAGS IN 89 A.
WE CONDUCT THE MEMORIAL DAY SERVICE.
WE HAVE A ONE MILE STRETCH OF 89 A THAT WE CLEAN UP.
WE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COURT, HOSPICE AND OTHER NONPROFITS.
THIS YEAR HAS BEEN AN UPGRADED, UH, GIGI HAS AS THE, UH, TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR.
SHE'S BROUGHT IN FIVE NFL PLAYERS, UH, ALL RETIRED, UH, AND LONG BALL HITTER, ANNA BERMAN, THEY'RE ALL GONNA PARTICIPATE IN THIS EVENT.
THE NFL VETERANS ARE MARK GRIN, MCMILLAN, BYRON EVANS, FRANK SANDERS,
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MICHAEL BANKSTON, AND RICK CUNNINGHAM.AND THESE AREN'T JUST ATHLETES, THEY'RE COACHES, BUSINESSMEN, PASTORS, MENTORS WHO CONTINUE TO SERVE THEIR COMMUNITIES JUST AS SAFECO DOES.
THEY'RE JOINING US AFTER LEARNING ABOUT SAFECO THROUGH GIGI ROCK.
AND THEY'RE COMING UP ON THEIR OWN NICKEL.
THEY'RE NOT GETTING PAID A DIME TO BE HERE, WHICH IS I THINK IS FABULOUS.
THE FRIDAY NIGHT BEFORE THE GOLF TOURNAMENT, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE SCORPION BOOSTERS TO HAVE THEM COME TO THE FOOTBALL GAME AND MEET THE YOUNG PLAYERS OUT THERE.
HOW CAN YOU JOIN IN THIS? WE HAVE A BUNCH OF PAMPHLETS IN BACK.
YOU CAN SIGN UP, BUT THE EASIEST WAY IS GO TO SAFECO.ORG, TOGGLE OVER TO THE, UH, GOLF WEBSITE, DROP DOWN, REGISTER AS AN INDIVIDUAL OR TEAM, OR JUST COME OUT AND PARTICIPATE IN THE SILENT AUCTION ITEMS. IF YOU'RE PLAYING, YOU GOT AN OPTION TO POSSIBLY WIN A TRIP TO B AND A GOLF TRIP TO PEBBLE BEACH.
IT'S GONNA BE AN EXCITING DAY.
AND IS THE CHIEF STILL HERE SOMEPLACE? YEP.
THE SEDONA POLICE VERSUS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
FIRE DEPARTMENT'S GOING FOR A THREE P.
THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, TIM PERRY WILL BE OUR LAST SPEAKER.
IF ANYBODY ELSE ELSE WISHES TO FILL OUT A CARD, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO SO.
TIM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
I WOULD LIKE TO KICK OFF TONIGHT'S MEETING BY DEMANDING THE IMMEDIATE RESIGNATION OF MAYOR SCOTT JALO.
FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, THIS OUT OF TOWN UPSTART HAS BULLIED AND INSULTED THE PEOPLE HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE REPRESENTING.
HE HAS AIDED AND ABETTED THE BUREAUCRATS OF THIS TOWN IN TRANSFERRING POWER FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS TO UNELECTED STAFF.
HE HAS WORKED TO SUBVERT THE PUBLIC PROCESS, BOTH ON THIS COUNCIL AND IN THE PUBLIC SPACE.
HE HAS VOTED FOR BUDGETS AND PROJECTS, WHICH HE HIMSELF HAS DECLARED TO BE WILDLY EXCESSIVE.
HE HAS WORKED TO RAISE TAXES AND FEES ON THIS COMMUNITY.
HE HAS WORKED TO DIVERT PUBLIC FUNDS TO PURSUIT OF HIS OWN PERSONAL VENDETTAS AND AGENDAS.
HE HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF ATTEMPTING TO DIVERT PUBLIC FUNDS TO PURSUIT OF HIS OWN ILLICIT AFFAIRS.
HE HAS PLANTED SPY CAMS ALL OVER THIS TOWN.
HE PURSUIT OF HIS LUST FOR POWER AND HIS LOVE OF VIOLENCE.
HE HAS WORKED BEHIND THE SCENES MALICIOUSLY TO SUBVERT THE ATTEMPTS TO REVIVE THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK.
HE HAS WORKED TO PREVENT THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW HOUSING IN THIS TOWN.
HE HAS WORKED TO UNDERMINE THE NONPROFITS THAT MADE SEDONA A GOOD PLACE TO LIVE.
IF THIS MAN, IF WE COULD CALL HIM THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE SHAME TO RESIGN FROM THIS OFFICE, HE'S DISGRACED.
THEN I CALL UPON HIS COLLEAGUES ON THIS COUNCIL TO PERFORM WHAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CALLS AN ACT OF FRATERNAL CORRECTION AND PASS A RESOLUTION, CING HIS BEHAVIOR AND CALLING FOR HIS RESIGNATION BECAUSE HE NO LONGER POSSESSES THE CONFIDENCE OF THE COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC.
SCOTT JALO HAS SHOWN OVER AND OVER AGAIN, HE IS UNFIT TO SERVE ON THIS COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SEDONA.
AND HE IS UNFIT TO EVEN BE A MEMBER OF THE SEDONA COMMUNITY.
LET'S END HIS NONSENSE HERE AND NOW.
WE WILL CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC FORUM AND MOVE TO,
[ 7. PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS & AWARDS ]
UH, ITEM SEVEN PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS.AND THIS IS ITEM A, THE SEDONA WOMEN DAY PROCLAMATION FOR SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025.
AND I'VE ASKED THE VICE MAYOR BECAUSE SHE IS A, UH, ON IN THE ORGANIZATION AND VERY WELL RESPECTED AS A MEMBER.
AND I'VE ASKED HER TO READ THIS AND THEN WE WILL PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD MEMBERS.
WHEREAS THE SEDONA WOMEN FOUNDED IN 2000 CELEBRATES THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF WOMEN OF SEDONA.
AND WHEREAS THE SEDONA WOMEN IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE THROUGH DEDICATED VOLUNTEERISM AND COMMUNITY SERVICE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BENEFITED THE SEDONA FOOD BANK, ST.
ANDREW'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH, LOCAL VETERANS, OLD TOWN MISSION, YAVAPAI, BIG BROTHERS AND BIG SISTERS, RESIDENTS OF SEDONA WINDS RETIREMENT CENTER RUN, SEDONA MITZVAH DAY, RAINBOW ACRES, WORDS AND WARMTH BLANKETS, MANZANITA OUTREACH, THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF SEDONA, LITTLE PINK HOUSES OF HOPE.
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AND WHEREAS THE SEDONA WOMEN IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE THROUGH THE HELEN WOLF SCHOLARSHIP FUND FOR LOCAL WOMEN BY PROVIDING MUCH NEEDED AND WELL-EARNED EDUCATIONAL SCHOLARSHIPS AS THEY RETURN TO THE WORKFORCE OR SEEK NEW ENRICHING CAREERS.AND WHEREAS THE SEDONA WOMEN IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE THROUGH MONTHLY EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS OF INTEREST TO ITS MEMBERSHIP IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHILE ENCOURAGING A DIVERSITY OF IDEAS THROUGH TOPICS THAT INCLUDE HEALTH, SOCIAL JUSTICE, ARTS, CULTURE, ENVIRONMENT, AND THEMES OF HISTORICAL INTEREST.
AND WHEREAS THE SEDONA WOMEN IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE BY HELPING TO MAINTAIN SEDONAS CHARACTER AND BEAUTY THROUGH VOLUNTEER SUPPORT PROJECTS SUCH AS THE OAK CREEK CLEANUP WITH THE OAK CREEK WATERSHED COUNCIL.
AND WHEREAS THE SEDONA WOMEN IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE BY PROVIDING A WELCOMING ATMOSPHERE WHERE NEW SOCIAL CONNECTIONS AND FRIENDSHIPS ARE ENCOURAGED AND CELEBRATED IN A SAFE, APOLITICAL SPACE THAT RESPECTS THE DIVERSITY OF OUR MEMBERSHIP AND THE INCLUSIVITY OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF SEDONA IS ACTIVELY EMBRACES A STRONG SENSE OF COMMUNITY BY ENCOURAGING COLLABORATION, KNOWLEDGE, SUPPORT, FRIENDSHIP AND SERVICES.
NOW THEREFORE, HE SCOTT JALO, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ON BEHALF OF THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025 AS THE SEDONA WOMEN 25TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION DAY.
WITH THANKS TO ITS MEMBERSHIP MEMBERS PAST AND PRESENT, WHO HONOR OUR COMMUNITY WITH THEIR DEDICATED SERVICE ISSUED THIS NINTH DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2025.
DAVIDS THE PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT.
I'LL SQUEEZE ALL HE'S GOING TO BE.
SO THIS, I'LL BE IN THE MIDDLE.
EVEN THAT AWESOME OCD 1, 2, 3.
SHE'S GETTING HER PHONE, MAKING SURE IT'S TRUST FOR THIS IS A BIG MOMENT AFTER 20.
ON BEHALF OF SEDONA WOMEN, WE'VE DONE GOOD FOR 25 YEARS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE.
IF THE COUNSEL DOES NOT MIND, I'D LIKE I'VE BEEN ASKED TO
[8.d. AB 3253 Discussion/possible action for approval of the linking agreement with Musco Sports Lighting, LLC, for the Multi-Use Field lighting for FY26 CIP PR-12 in the amount of $248,025.]
MOVE UP.UH, ITEM D IT SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT SHORTER.
UH, AND THAT WOULD BE AB 32 53 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION FOR APPROVAL, UH, OF THE LINKING AGREEMENT WITH, UH, MUCO SPORTS LIGHTING LLC FOR THE MULTI-USE FIELD LIGHTING FOR FY 26, UH, C-I-P-P-R 12 AND THE AMOUNT OF 208 240 $8,025.
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ALRIGHT.THANK YOU VERY MUCH MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
SO JOSH BRUIN, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR LARRY FARHA, FACILITIES MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR AND PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE LIGHTING PROJECT.
AND WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT AT CIP PR 12 FOR THE MULTI-USE FIELD LIGHTING.
SO WE BROUGHT THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU INITIALLY BACK IN THE SPRING FOR THE BUDGET APPROVAL PROCESS.
AND NOW JUST GOING THROUGH THIS FOR OUR MUCO AGREEMENT FOR THE LINKING AGREEMENT AND CONTRACT TO GET THIS PROJECT DONE.
SO FIRST OFF, THIS IS A HIGHLY REQUESTED ITEM FROM A LOT OF THESE GROUPS THAT USE THE SOCCER FIELD, INCLUDING OUR A YSO YOUTH SOCCER.
WE HAVE AN ULTIMATE FRISBEE GROUP HERE IN SEDONA THAT'S VERY ACTIVE IN PLAYING, UM, MONDAY ADULT SOCCER WITH A LOT OF LOCALS THAT GET TOGETHER KIND OF UNOFFICIALLY ON MONDAYS AND DO A LITTLE UN INFORMAL LEAGUE THERE.
OUR PARKS AND RECREATION EVENTS.
AND EVEN THIS LAST YEAR WE HAD, WE TRIED TO PUT TOGETHER A YOUTH FLAG FOOTBALL LEAGUE THAT MAYBE SOME OF YOU HEARD OF.
WE DIDN'T GET QUITE ENOUGH TEAMS TO RUN OUR OWN LEAGUE.
SO WE HOSTED A FEW TEAMS HERE IN SEDONA OF SEDONA LOCAL KIDS THAT ENDED UP PLAYING IN THE COTTONWOOD LEAGUE, WHICH THEY ALSO PLAYED IN PRESCOTT IN THAT INDOOR ARENA FOR A FEW GAMES TOO.
AND HAD A REALLY COOL EXPERIENCE WITH THAT.
SO THEY WERE ABLE TO PRACTICE HERE IN SEDONA AND THEN GO PLAY IN THOSE OTHER LEAGUES AND SOMETHING.
WE DEFINITELY WANNA KEEP GROWING THERE TOO.
SO WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF USE ON THAT MULTI-USE FIELD FROM THOSE TYPE OF GROUPS AS WELL AS JUST OPEN PLAY PEOPLE OUT THERE ALL THE TIME PLAYING FLYING KITES, PLAYING SPORTS, ET CETERA.
UM, SO PROVIDING LIGHTS ON THIS FIELD, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER TIME, BUT YEAR ROUND PROVIDES A SAFER, MORE FLEXIBLE SCHEDULING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE ON THAT FIELD AND USING IT AFTER DARK AND UP UNTIL 10:00 PM EQUAL WITH OUR SOFTBALL FIELD LIGHTING AND ALL THE OTHER LIGHTING IN THE PARK THERE.
ONE THING THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US WITH THIS PROJECT, OF COURSE, WAS LINING UP WITH OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN WITH SUSTAINABILITY.
SO WE WORKED WITH BRYCE QUITE A BIT ON THIS AND MAKING SURE THAT IT WAS MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING THE LED LIGHTING, WHICH IS REDUCING THE TOTAL ENERGY, HAVING TIMER AND REMOTE CONTROL SYSTEMS SET UP.
SO THOSE LIGHTS ARE ONLY ON WHEN PEOPLE ARE USING THE FIELDS AND IT'S RESERVED FOR THOSE USES THAT IT'S FULLY DARK SKY COMPLIANT WITH SHIELDED FIXTURES AND OFFSITE GLARE ELIMINATED PRESERVING THE NIGHT SKY AND FOLLOWING THAT CITY'S DARK SKY DESIGNATION.
ONE THING THAT I'LL GO THROUGH ON THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES IS A COOL NEW SETUP THAT MUSCOW HAS FOR THESE LIGHTS THAT'S CALLED THE TLC LUMINAIRE.
SO IT'S TOTAL LIGHT CONTROL LUMINAIRE LIGHTING AND HOW DARK IT REALLY IS OFF THAT PLAYING SURFACE AND THAT LIGHT SHIELDING AND HOW FAR IT'S COME SINCE WE DID THE SOFTBALL LIGHTS AND SOME OF THOSE OTHERS.
SO WHY MUSCOW MUSCOW IS THE SAME COMPANY THAT DID OUR SOFTBALL LIGHTS.
SO THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE THERE CONTROLLING THE SOFTBALL LIGHTS AND THE PICKLEBALL LIGHTING THERE AS WELL.
THEY ARE ACTIVELY PARTNERED WITH THE DARK SKY INTERNATIONAL DESIGNING SPORTS LIGHTING.
SO THEY'RE THE LEADER IN DARK SKY LIGHTING OF ANY KIND.
SO OF COURSE THE COMPANY WE WANTED TO WORK WITH IN THAT.
AND THEN DUE TO THIS NEW SETUP THEY HAVE WITH THE DIMMING LIGHT CONTROLS AND THAT TOTAL LIGHT CONTROL PLAYING ON THAT PLAYING SURFACE, ELIMINATING THAT OFFSITE GLARE, THEY WERE A CLEAR CHOICE THAT WE WANTED TO WORK WITH.
WE DID DO A SITE VISIT WITH A COUPLE DIFFERENT LIGHTING COMPANIES AND MUCO WAS THE CLEAR CHOICE OF WHO DO WE WANNA WORK WITH ON THIS.
SO FOR A FEW FACTS ON THE LIGHT CONTAINMENT WITHIN THE FIELD, THE LIGHT SELECTED THE MUSCO ARE 21.2 FOOT CANDLES ACROSS THE PLAYING SURFACE FOOT CANDLES IS A WEIRD TERM, BUT ESSENTIALLY CAN GO UP TO ABOUT 80 AS LIKE A PROFESSIONAL LEVEL FIELD AND HOW THEY'RE LIGHTING IT.
ONE FOOT CANDLE IS THE EQUIVALENT OF HOLDING A LITERAL CANDLE A FOOT AWAY AND GETTING THAT MUCH LIGHT.
SO ADDING 20 OF 'EM, IT'S ESSENTIALLY 20 CANDLES ON THAT ONE SQUARE FOOT OF AREA IS HOW MUCH LIGHT YOU'RE GETTING.
AND THAT'S FOR A RECREATIONAL LEVEL FIELD LIGHTING, JUST WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR.
BUT IT ALSO DOES HAVE DIMMING OPTIONS THAT WE CAN EVEN GO BELOW THAT FOR CERTAIN EVENTS OR ACTIVITIES THERE.
SO A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT METRICS EXPLAINED.
SO THEY GAVE US THIS CALCULATION CHART AS THEY CAME AND DID THE FIELD WALKTHROUGH AND ENGINEERING FOR IT FOR ITS HORIZONTAL LUMINANCE AND THE MAX VERTICAL LUMINANCE.
WHAT THIS MEANS IS THE SPILL OFF THE SOCCER FIELD.
SO IF YOU'RE STANDING FIVE FEET OFF THE FIELD LIGHTING AREA AND YOU'RE FIVE FEET TALL, SO RIGHT WHERE YOUR EYES ARE, THERE IS ZERO GLARE.
SO THE READINGS ARE ZERO FOOT CANDLES THAT THE LIGHTS FULLY CONTAINED TO THE FIELD WITH NO MEASURABLE IMPACT ON THAT OUTSIDE AREA.
SO, SO THEY'RE SAYING FOR IT AS THE SHIELDING KEEPS LIGHT ON THE FIELD, STANDING JUST OUTSIDE THE FIELD, YOU WOULD NOT EXPERIENCE GLARE OR UNWANTED LIGHT SPILL INTO YOUR EYES YARDS OR WINDOWS.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THEIR EXAMPLES OF A FIELD THEY DID DOWN IN PHOENIX AREA.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE PLAYING SURFACE, THE LIGHT IS VERY CONTAINED IN THERE AND JUST A FEW FEET OFF, IT'S ALMOST COMPLETELY DARK.
IT ALSO GOES ONTO THE MAX VERTICAL LUMINANCE, WHICH IS HOW LIGHT FALLS ON THE VERTICAL SURFACE.
SO THE, YOUR FACE, A WALL, SOMEONE'S WINDOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IF YOU HAVE A HIGH VERTICAL LUMINANCE, IT MEANS THAT LIGHT'S SHINING RIGHT IN YOUR WINDOW WHERE IF
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IT'S NOT, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MAX VERTICAL LUMINANCE, IT'S SHINING DOWN AT THE GROUND AND NO, NOT IN YOUR EYES OR ANYTHING, THIS WOULD ALSO BE ZERO.SO YOU WON'T SEE THE LIGHT LIT UP, YOU WON'T SEE YOUR HOUSE, WON'T SEE A FENCE IF YOU'RE STANDING OUTSIDE THE FIELD WON'T HAVE ANY LIGHT IN EFFECT IN THAT.
SO HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE FIELD THERE WHERE JUST OFF THE FIELD DARK THERE, THEY ALSO DID THIS AT A FIELD IN GLENDALE WHERE THEY HAVE A WHOLE COMPLEX THAT'S SET UP AND IT'S AMAZING LOOKING AT EIGHT DIFFERENT FIELDS AND THEN JUST OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA COMPLETELY DARK IN THE PARKING LOT THERE.
SO IN CONCLUSION, WITH THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST REGULAR COMMUNITY REQUESTS THAT WE RECEIVE AND IT HAS THE SUPPORT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, PARKS AND RECREATION SUSTAINABILITY TO DO THIS.
IT IS BUDGETED FOR PR 12 FOR A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THERE, AND IT'S GONNA BE COMPLETELY DARK SKY COMPLIANT, MONITORED WITH THE REMOTE CONTROL ALWAYS OFF AT 10:00 PM AND ESSENTIALLY WE'RE ASKING CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL TO APPROVE THAT CONTRACT AND LINKING AGREEMENT FOR MUSCO FIELD LIGHTING.
AND WITH THIS APPROVAL, THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD BEGIN LIKELY MID-NOVEMBER 2025.
SO HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, ONCE THEY GET THEIR PERMITTING AND ITEMS LIKE THAT IN THERE.
ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS WITH THIS? BRIAN, MELISSA, VICE MAYOR, ANYTHING? UH, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU, JOSH.
WHEN THE LIGHTS GO OFF AT 10 O'CLOCK, DO THEY JUST GO OUT OR DO THEY DIM? SO IF ANYONE'S ON THE FIELD AND NOT WALKING AROUND IN DAYLIGHT NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE BLINDED BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SEE YES, THEY WILL BE A DIMMING EFFECT.
SO TYPICALLY HOW WE HAVE IT SET UP AT THE SKATE PARK AS WELL, IT WOULD BE LIKE 9 55, THEY GO TO A DIMMING LEVEL AND THEN DIM AGAIN AT 10 AND THEN COMPLETELY OFF.
AND DO WE HAVE ANY SPORTS THAT END CLOSE TO 10 O'CLOCK OR THEY USUALLY DONE WAY BEFORE THAT? WE DO.
UM, CURRENTLY ON THE SOCCER FIELD, NO, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE LIGHTS THERE, BUT ON SOFTBALL WE DO HAVE GAMES THAT START AS LATE AS EIGHT 30.
SO THEY DO END TYPICALLY 9 45 ISH.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE GIVING 'EM A FEW MINUTES TO GET OFF THE FIELD THERE, BUT TYPICALLY IT'S FAIRLY RARE THAT THOSE LIGHTS ARE ON UNTIL 10:00 PM OTHER THAN WITH OUR ADULT SOFTBALL LEAGUE.
OTHER THAN THAT, THE ULTIMATE FRISBEE GROUP USES IT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, TYPICALLY OFF THE FIELD BY NINE TIMEFRAME LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE ONE CARD SEEING, WE HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
SO LET'S OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, AARON BRANDT, YOU'RE HERE.
START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE.
AND WATCH THE CLOCK RIGHT UP OVER THERE.
UH, ACTUALLY, UH, CURRENTLY A CITIZEN OF COTTONWOOD MOVE TO SEDONA IN 94.
AND I AM A RED ROCK ALUMNI OF CLASS OF 99.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF US HERE TODAY REPRESENTING THE SEDONA ULTIMATE GROUP.
UH, I'M ONE OF SIX TODAY AND WE ACTUALLY LEARNED, OR I LEARNED, UH, FROM THE PHYSICAL EDUCATION CLASS AT RED ROCK, HOW TO PLAY ULTIMATE FRISBEE.
THERE WAS A GROUP OF THREE OF US AFTERWARDS WHEN WE GRADUATED THAT WERE INTERESTED TO CONTINUE THIS GOING ON, AND WE STARTED AT THE FOOTBALL FIELD WHEN IT WAS STILL GRASS.
NOW HERE WE ARE, UH, COMING UP ON 20 YEARS LATER AND, UH, EVEN AFTER BEING ASKED BY DIRECTOR FREE WIND TO BECOME A PARTNER WITH THE CITY, SO THAT NOW IT'S A, A PROGRAM THAT PARKS AND REC ACTUALLY OFFERS, UH, WE'VE EXPANDED.
SO NOW WE'VE GOT TWICE A WEEK WHERE WE'RE PLAYING ANYWHERE BETWEEN EIGHT TO 28 PEOPLE, UH, BETWEEN THE RED ROCK FOOTBALL FIELD AND CURRENTLY ON THE SOUTH SOFTBALL FIELD OF POSSE GROUNDS.
AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THE FIELD LIGHTS THERE FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS.
SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SWITCH FIELDS.
IF YOU'VE GOT, UH, A HOT SUMMER AFTERNOON, IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY SAFELY AT RED ROCK HIGH.
UH, IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE, YOU'VE SEEN THAT THAT FIELD IS MADE OF GROUND UP TIRES.
SO ANYTIME UP OVER 90 DEGREES OR SO, IT'S PRETTY WARM.
SO THEN WE COME OVER, UH, TYPICALLY WEDNESDAY NIGHTS IS OUR NIGHT TO PLAY AT THE POSSE GROUNDS.
AND THEN IN THE SUMMERTIME WE LOVE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO COME OVER DURING THAT TIME AS WELL.
ON SUNDAYS, UH, THE CURRENT DIFFICULTY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT A RECTANGLE INSIDE OF AN OUTFIELD OF A SOFTBALL FIELD.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A LOT SMALLER THAN YOUR TYPICAL FOOTBALL FIELD.
SO THAT LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF PLAYERS.
AND NOW THAT WE'VE GAINED THE POPULARITY OF THE SIZE OF THE FIELD AND THE PLAYERS THAT WE HAVE, IT'S NOW NECESSARY TO EXPAND THAT.
UH, THE PLAYING SURFACE IS ACTUALLY, UH, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF STRAINS AND SPRAINS ACROSS THE YEARS.
THIS YEAR WAS OUR FIRST SEVERE ANKLE BREAK.
SO WE ARE CERTAINLY EXCITED TO HAVE THE FLAT OR BETTER SURFACE OF THE MULTI-USE FIELD AND THEN BEING ABLE TO OBVIOUSLY DO THAT AT NIGHTTIME.
SO IT'S NOT ONLY A HEALTH AND SAFETY CONCERN, IT'S ALSO BECAUSE OF THE POPULARITY AND THE EXPANSION WORKING WITH THE CITY THAT THIS IS NOW NECESSARY.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL, SEEING NO OTHER CARDS, WE'LL
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CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND FINAL, UH, COMMENTS.I MOVE TO APPROVE THE LINKING AGREEMENT WITH MUSCO SPORTS LIGHTING LLC IN THE AMOUNT OF $248,025 FOR THE FIELD LIGHTING AT THE MULTI-USE FIELD IN POSSE GROUNDS PARK UTILIZING FUNDS FROM CIP PR DASH 12 SECOND.
OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR KINSELLA.
ANY FINAL COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ONCE AGAIN, COUNCIL, I'M GONNA ASK IF YOU'RE, I'M SORRY.
THANKS FOR DOING ALL THAT WORK, GENTLEMEN.
[8.c. AB 3230 Discussion/possible action to approve the Arts & Culture Organizations Grants program effective in FY26.]
YOUR INDULGENCE TO MOVE UP ITEM C FOR THE SIMILAR REASON.THAT'S, UH, IF UNLESS THE COUNCIL HAS ANY PROBLEM.
THAT'S AB 32 30 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATION'S GRANT PROGRAM EFFECTIVE AND FY 26.
THAT ANNETTE, WOULD THAT BE YOURS? YES, SIR.
I AM JUST GETTING MYSELF TO MY, UH, NO PROBLEM SPOT HERE ON THE AGENDA.
UM, SO MAYOR COUNCIL, WE ARE BRINGING BACK TO YOU, UM, ADDITIONAL REVISIONS TO THE PROPOSED, UH, PROGRAMMED FOR FUNDING, UM, ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATIONS.
UM, THE COUNCIL, AS YOU KNOW, SET ASIDE $200,000 IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO SUPPORT THIS NEW PROGRAM.
AND WE ARE TALKING TO YOU TONIGHT ABOUT FINALIZING DEFINITIONS REGARDING, UM, WHO WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT AND WHAT TYPE OF COMMUNITY BENEFIT AND, UM, BENEFIT TO THE CITY WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR FROM ANY OF THE APPLICANTS IN ORDER TO AWARD FUNDING TO THEM.
UM, IN THE AGENDA, BILL, I'VE DETAILED OUT, UM, ADDITIONAL DEFINITIONS, UM, TIED BACK TO THE SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN.
AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A WHOLE CHAPTER OF THE PLAN DEVOTED TO BUILDING COMMUNITY AND CULTURE.
UM, I PUT THAT CHAPTER IN THE EXHIBIT OF THE AGENDA BILL ITSELF FOR YOUR REFERENCE IN YOUR DISCUSSION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO GO OVER ALL THE SPECIFICS OF THIS, UM, SINCE YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO READ THE AGENDA MEMO ALREADY.
UM, SO WE HAVE CREATED, UM, A DEFINITION OF ARTS AND CULTURE.
THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS FOCUSED MORE ON ARTS.
THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL AT THE LAST MEETING WAS TO BROADEN THAT TO INCLUDE CULTURE AS WELL.
UM, AND SO I PUT EXAMPLES IN THERE OF, UM, BROAD DEFINITIONS OF WHAT ARTS AND CULTURE COULD MEAN.
UM, YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT CLARIFYING THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA RELATED TO THE SIZE OF AN ORGANIZATION'S BUDGET.
UM, THE PROPOSAL IS THAT THE ANNUAL BUDGET OF ANYONE APPLYING FOR THIS WOULD BE A MILLION DOLLARS.
UM, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAVE A PROGRAM FOR SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS TO APPLY FOR FUNDING.
UM, AND THEN, UH, I INCLUDED INFORMATION DESCRIBING WHAT TYPE OF BENEFIT THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO BE PROVIDING TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, IN ORDER TO MEET OUR OBLIGATIONS UNDER THE ARIZONA GIFT CLAUSE.
UM, YOU ALSO ASKED ME TO ADD, UH, CLARIFICATION THAT ELIGIBLE ACTIVITIES UNDER THIS, UH, PROGRAM COULD INCLUDE FESTIVALS.
SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, UM, OR HELP WITH YOUR DISCUSSION ON, UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE FURTHER CHANGES TO THIS OR IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
UM, AND IF YOU DO APPROVE IT, THE PROPOSAL IS THAT OUR CURRENT COMMITTEE THAT EVALUATES THE SMALL GRANT APPLICATIONS WOULD COME TOGETHER AND REVIEW ANY APPLICATIONS RECEIVED UNDER THIS NEW PROGRAM.
UM, AND THAT NEXT YEAR WE WOULD PUT IT ON THE SAME APPLICATION AND REVIEW CYCLE IS A SMALL GRANT PROGRAM, SO THEY WOULD JUST DO ALL OF THEM.
KATHY, THANK YOU FOR CAPTURING WHAT WE HAD ASKED FOR LAST TIME.
I DID, IT'S REALLY LAID OUT WELL IN HERE, BUT I HAVE JUST HAVE A QUESTION, UM, JUST TO GET IT OUT THERE.
UNDER ITEM THREE, THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA FOR THE SIZE OF THE ORGANIZATION'S BUDGET, CAN YOU TELL US HOW MANY ORGANIZATIONS CURRENTLY THAT YOU FEEL WOULD
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BE ELIGIBLE UNDER THIS MILLION DOLLAR ANNUAL BUDGET THRESHOLD? BASED ON, UM, APPLICATIONS WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING FOR THE SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM, THERE'S TWO ENTITIES THAT MEET THAT CRITERIA RIGHT NOW.I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA.
THIS IS ANOTHER DIFFICULT AND TERRIBLE PROPOSAL TONIGHT.
ON THE ONE HAND, OUR ARTS ORGANIZATIONS NEED THIS FUNDING.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THE CITY OF SEDONA IN PARTICULAR HAS A LONG HISTORY OVER THE RECENT YEARS OF ATTEMPTING TO USE GRANTS TO NONPROFITS TO SUBVERT THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO BRING THEIR POLICIES AND ACTIVITIES MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT COUNCIL AND STAFF WANT.
UH, INDEED, I BELIEVE COUNSELOR DUNN SPECIFICALLY AT ONE POINT CALLED FOR THE CITY TO GIVE OUT GRANTS BASED ON WHAT THE ORGANIZATIONS ARE DOING TO CONFORM TO THE CITY'S CRITERIA.
AND THIS IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE BACK IN THE DAY, IT WAS THE NONPROFITS TO A GREAT EXTENT THAT WERE THE ORGANIZATION OF THE COMMUNITY.
NO COUNCIL, NO BUREAUCRATS, JUST COMMUNITY MEMBERS WORKING TOGETHER.
AND THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR BUREAUCRATS.
SO OF COURSE IT'S BEEN HIGHER AND HIGHER ON THE CITY'S PRIORITY LIST TO BRING MORE AND MORE CONTROL OVER THE NONPROFITS WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF CITY STAFF.
FORTUNATELY, THERE'S AN EASY SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM THAT BOTH KEEPS STAFF'S FINGERS OUT OF OUR NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS AND GETS THEM THE FUNDING THEY NEED.
THE COUNCIL CAN VOTE DOWN THIS PROPOSAL AND THEN THE MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL CAN EACH WRITE A CHECK FOR ONE SEVENTH OF THE SUM.
THEY PROPOSE TO GIVE THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND GIVE IT TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS.
ALL OF YOU BLOATED MILLIONAIRES CAN AFFORD IT.
THERE'S PLENTY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO ARE WELL OFF, WHO HAVE NO PROBLEM STEPPING UP AND PUTTING IN SOMETHING TO HELP THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS.
IF THE COUNCIL ON THE OTHER HAND SHOULD CHOOSE NOT TO PERSONALLY CONTRIBUTE AND SHOWS THAT IT WANTS TO REDIRECT PUBLIC FUNDS TOWARDS SUBVERSION OF OUR NONPROFITS, WE'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE COUNCIL'S INTENTIONS ARE.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND BRING IT BACK FOR COMMENTS FROM THE THE DAYS.
WHY SHOULD THAT BE TALKING? UH, ANYTHING TO MY LEFT, PETE? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UH, I'M TRYING TO REFLECT BACK TO THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION AND, UH, TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S STILL A, A MISS HERE.
AND I REMEMBER COUNSELOR DUNN TALKED ABOUT OUR, HOW, I FORGET HOW YOU PUT IT, AND I WISH I COULD REMEMBER DIRECTLY, BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW OUT THE OUTDOOR ORIENTED NATURE OF OUR CULTURE AS WELL.
AND I, I I THINK THAT THE DEFINITION IS STILL MISSING IT.
WHEN I READ THE ARTS AND CULTURE DEFINITION, I'M LOOKING ON PACKER, PAGE 1 79 AND ITEM THREE, AND WE LIST OUT ALL THE DIFFERENT TOPICS WE GOT.
ARTS AND ARTS AND ARTS AND ARTS, AND THEN WE, A LITTLE BIT OF CULTURAL HERITAGE IN THERE AND SOME INDUSTRIES SURE.
AND THEN COMMUNITY BASED ARTS, WHICH THEN WE KIND OF THROW THE FESTIVALS IN THERE.
AND TO ME THAT SPEAKS OF IS THE FESTIVAL HAVE TO BE AN ARTS FESTIVAL OR COULD IT BE SOMETHING ELSE? AND I THINK THERE'S A WHOLE SCOPE OF OTHER ELEMENTS OF SEDONAS CULTURE THAT ARE YET MISSING IN THIS, UH, IN THIS VERSION, THIS NEXT ATTEMPT.
AND I WILL ALSO ADMIT, I THINK COUNCILOR KINSELLA FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION, IT'S A QUESTION I HAVE AS WELL.
WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF CATEGORIES THAT ARE PUT IN HERE, BUT WE STILL REALLY ONLY HAVE TWO ELIGIBLE ENTITIES AND IT JUST MAKES ME A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE.
ANNETTE, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA GO TO THE MIC AND IT DID IT.
UM, WELL, THE REASON I ATTACHED CHAPTER THREE OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN WAS A COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE BEING, UM, THAT ANY OF OUR, UM, PROGRAMMING LIKE THIS SHOULD TIE BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY PLAN.
AND ALSO WITHIN THAT PLAN, OR THAT CHAPTER, EXCUSE ME, UM, IS A SECTION ON RECREATION AND EVENTS.
THERE'S REFERENCES TO, UM, HOW PART OF OUR CULTURE IS THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO I THINK YOU COULD, UM, IF THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL WANTED THE PROGRAM TO BE FURTHER BROADENED, UM, YOU COULD STILL CAPTURE THAT RECREATION ELEMENT
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OR THAT OUTDOOR, UM, ENVIRONMENT ELEMENT BY THE REFERRAL TO THE SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN CHAPTER THREE, THAT THE APPLICANTS WOULD NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, FULFILLING SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, WITHIN THAT CHAPTER.UM, BUT I, I THOUGHT I HAD HEARD A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL WANTED IT TO BE ARTS AND CULTURE, SO THAT WAS WHY I FOCUSED ON THAT SUBSECTION OF THE, UM, CHAPTER THREE OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
BUT THERE IS ANOTHER SUBSECTION IN THAT CHAPTER THAT TALKS ABOUT RECREATION AND EVENTS AND, UM, BRINGING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
SO I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT, IF THAT'S OF THE COUNCIL'S INTEREST TO BROADEN IT FOR.
UH, I'LL ECHO, UH, COUNCILOR FURMAN'S, UH, CONCERN, UM, HAVING ONLY TWO QUALIFIED ENTITIES TO APPLY JUST FEELS LIKE IT'S BEEN DESIGNED FOR TWO QUALIFIED ENTITIES AND THAT THERE'S NO REAL COMPETITION FOR THE GRANTS.
UM, IT JUST FEELS LIKE IT'S PRECLUDING OTHER, UH, ENTITIES POTENTIALLY.
UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE LANGUAGE AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN IS SUFFICIENTLY BROAD TO INCLUDE FESTIVALS, UM, SUCH AS THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL, WHICH WAS ONE THAT I CHOSE TO LOOK INTO TO SEE.
WHY WOULD THAT QUALIFY OR NOT QUALIFY? UM, ACCORDING TO THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL THAT RUNS THE, THE MOUNTAIN BIKE FEST, UM, HE INDICATES PROBABLY DON'T HAVE A MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET, BUT SOME YEARS BACK WORKING WITH THE CHAMBER, THEY ESTIMATED THE ECONOMIC IMPACT TO BE OVER $8.1 MILLION.
SO I THINK THAT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT, BUT THEY AREN'T QUALIFIED BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET.
AND IT'S ORGANIZED AS AN LLC, NOT AS A 5 0 1 C3.
SO I'M NOT COMFORTABLE STILL, UM, WITH THESE RULES BECAUSE AGAIN, IT JUST FEELS LIKE IT PICKS TWO WINNERS AND THAT'S IT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE THERE'S
SO THERE IS A COMPETITIVE NATURE TO IT, JUST LIKE THERE IS WITH OUR SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM.
UM, I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNER OF THE, UH, MOUNTAIN BIKES FESTIVAL AND WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY, WE CANNOT BE GIVING MONEY TO PRIVATE ENTITIES.
THERE'S A GIFT TAX PROBLEM HERE.
SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO A PRIVATE COMPANY THAT'S INTENDED TO BE A PROFIT MAKING COMPANY THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTION OF STATE OF ARIZONA.
SO IF THEY WANTED TO FORM A 5 0 1 C3 IMPLY, THAT'D BE ONE THING.
BUT THEY ARE A PROFIT MAKING ORGANIZATION AND SO THEY'RE NOT QUALIFIED.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, WE KEEP HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AND I'M JUST NOT SURE WHERE COUNSEL IS AT BECAUSE WE AGREE AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION AND WE DON'T AGREE.
AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO DECIDE ONCE AND FOR ALL WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
I SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL, I'VE SUPPORTED IT ALL ALONG BECAUSE WE ARE CITY ANIMATED BY THE ARTS, BUT WE DON'T REALLY GIVE OUT ANY MONEY TO THE ARTS.
SO WHO ARE WE AS A COMMUNITY? UH, IF WE WANT TO OPEN IT UP TO OTHER THINGS, WE HAVE A SMALL GRANTS PROGRAM, WE CAN CREATE ANOTHER PROGRAM, BUT THIS IS DESIGNED FOR THE ARTS.
AND THEN WE KEEP WANTING, EACH PERSON HAS THEIR OWN FAVORITE ORGANIZATION.
THEY WANNA, YOU KNOW, SHOVE IN HERE AND IT'S JUST, THEN WE POSTPONE THIS AND THEN WE HAVE IT BROUGHT BACK.
AND YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK, ANNETTE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT WORK AND I THINK YOU RESPONDED TO WHAT WE ASKED FOR, BUT NOW WE'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATING, DEREK.
AND THEN KATHY, QUESTION FOR ANNETTE.
HOW MUCH WOULD WE HAVE TO LOWER THE BUDGET THRESHOLD TO PICK UP AN EXTRA THREE OR FOUR POTENTIAL APPLICANTS? LIKE RYAN IS ASKING, I'M GOING TO OFF THE TOP.
EXCUSE ME OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO GET DOWN BELOW 500,000 WOULD BE, I THINK THERE'S A BIG GAP BETWEEN THE SIZE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS, THE NONPROFITS THAT HAVE BEEN APPLYING UNDER THE SMALL GRANTS AND THE, UH, AND THE ENTITY.
THERE'S A BIG, THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL
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GROUPS AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OF VERY LARGE GROUPS.UM, FIRST OF ALL, I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT THIS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO 5 0 1 C THREES.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE WANT TO OPEN THIS UP TO LLCS OR ANYTHING WHERE THERE'S A POTENTIAL, UH, PROFIT BEING, UH, A, A PA A PART OF THIS.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ROLE OF CITY GOVERNMENT WITH PUBLIC FUNDS TO, TO, TO PUT THAT IN THAT WAY.
IF WE WANNA DO A PRO-BUSINESS PROGRAM FOR SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S DEFINED IN LEGAL AND WE RESEARCH THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER STORY.
BUT THIS AS ARTS AND CULTURE FUNDING, UH, IS I THINK FOR 5 0 1 C THREES.
AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE CHANGING THAT AT ALL.
UM, WHAT I, I ALSO, THE BUDGET QUESTION OF THE $1 MILLION THRESHOLD, FOR ME, IT'S NOT THE BUDGET OF THE ORGANIZATION SO MUCH.
THAT'S THE, THE, THE, THE QUESTION OF COURSE IT'S A QUESTION, BUT IT, IT, THE MAIN THING IS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE, UM, ENTITY THAT IS APPLYING.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER CHANGING THE THRESHOLD TO A, A, UM, OVERALL ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS ABOUT.
THIS WAS ABOUT US RECOGNIZING THE ROLE THAT ARTS AND CULTURE PLAY IN SEDONA.
THAT OUR COMMUNITY HISTORY, CULTURE AND ECONOMY HAS GROWN AND BENEFITED FROM ARTS AND CULTURE AND STILL DOES TO THIS DAY.
AND THAT WE WANT TO FOSTER THAT FURTHER.
SO TO ME, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT WAY OF LOOKING AT THIS.
SO I THROW THIS TO MY COLLEAGUES ON THE DIOCESE ABOUT IS THIS A BUDGET OF THE ORGANIZATION OR THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE ORGANIZATION? 'CAUSE I WANNA FOSTER ARTS AND CULTURE HERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STARTING OVER WITH LOOKING AT THE RIGHT NUMBER.
SO I'M SORRY TO COMPLICATE THAT.
UM, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS AND WE NEED TO START MOVING FORWARD, BUT THAT IS THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS ECONOMIC IMPACT VERSUS ACTUAL ORGANIZATIONAL BUDGET.
UM, I THINK A GOOD QUESTION FOR LEGAL COUNSEL.
UM, WE PUT TOGETHER THIS PROPOSAL, UM, AND BROADENED IT TO INCLUDE, UM, COMMUNITY BENEFIT AND, UM, BENEFIT TO THE CITY AS AN ORGANIZATION BECAUSE THOSE ARE TESTS OF THE ARIZONA GIFT CLAUSE.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHILE YOU CAN CERTAINLY, UM, EVALUATE PEOPLE'S, UM, ECONOMIC IMPACT OR TAX REVENUE IMPACT, IT CAN'T BE THE REASON BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE CRITERIA, UM, THAT SATISFIES THE GIVE CLAUSE ANALYSIS.
UM, DID I CAPTURE THAT SOMEWHAT CORRECTLY?
IT'S A, IT'S THE VERY IMPORTANT ANSWER.
I HAVE TO AGREE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT, IF WE'RE GONNA BE ANIMATED BY THE ARTS, WE NEED TO BE ANIMATED BY THE ARTS.
THE FACT THAT THESE TWO ORGANIZATIONS ARE, HAVE HIT THAT HIGH DOLLAR AMOUNT RELEASES FUNDS FROM THE OTHER, UH, FUNDING FOR MORE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WOULD MAYBE NOT HAVE MADE IT INTO THAT, INTO THAT, UH, SMALL GRANT FUNDING.
THESE TWO ORGANIZATIONS HAPPEN TO BE BIG SUPPORT TWO ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE SUPPORTED HEAVILY BY OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WE NEED TO SHOW OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE SUPPORTING THE ARTS.
SO, UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? I'M NOT ON THAT PAGE.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE FORMATION AND ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA FOR THE ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATION'S GRANT PROGRAM AND DIRECT STAFF TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM FOR FY 26.
I, I REALIZE I'M GOING TO BE OUTVOTED ON THIS.
UH, I WANNA BE CLEAR, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO, I MEAN, I SUPPORT THE FACT THAT WE APPROPRIATED 200,000 FOR THIS.
I'M NOT HAPPY WITH WHAT THE RULES ARE.
I STILL THINK IT'S UNNECESSARILY RESTRICTIVE.
I ACCEPT THE FACT THAT YOU ALL ARE GONNA VOTE YES ON THIS, BUT I HOPE THAT WE REVISIT THIS IN THE FUTURE.
MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.
WHAT I APPRECIATE A COMMENT AS WELL.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT YOU INDICATED.
UH, I APPRECIATE COUNCILLOR FO'S COMMENTS.
I HAVE BEEN OBVIOUSLY, UH, I THINK THERE'S MAYBE ANOTHER WAY TO SKIN THE, THE, THE CAT
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ON THIS ONE.MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT THING TO SAY ANYMORE, BUT, UM, ESPECIALLY NEXT TO LIKE, UH, THAT, I MEAN, THIS REALLY DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH A TARGETED GRANT PROGRAM THAT GOES TO TWO ELIGIBLE PEOPLE.
UH, THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER WAY TO DO THIS ABOUT A SERVICE ORGANIZATION THERE.
I JUST THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY TO PUT IN THIS THING.
I STILL AM UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT THE DEFINITIONS THAT ARE IN HERE AND I'M QUITE CONFUSED AND ALMOST WANT TO GO BACK AND WATCH THE LAST MEETING BECAUSE, UH, KURT, I THOUGHT I ASKED THAT QUESTION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT FIVE OH ONES VERSUS NOT FIVE OH ONES.
AND YOU SAID THERE WAS NO ISSUE.
NOW I'M HEARING THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE.
I COULD PERHAPS I'VE MISINTERPRETED WHAT WE SAID THE LAST TIME, BUT, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ABOUT THAT? HAPPY TO COMMENT IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION IF COUNSEL WANTS TO GET THAT ADVICE.
WELL, I ALSO SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL HERE AND DON'T KNOW THAT I NEED TO PROLONG A MEETING, UH, ANY MORE THAN NEEDS TO BE DONE.
THAT'S ALL THE, THE, UH, DISCUSSION.
SO MELISSA, JUST BECAUSE I WASN'T ALLOWED APPARENTLY TO COMMENT EARLIER, I, UM, COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND AND I WAS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS WHEN IT WAS FIRST BROUGHT UP DURING THE BUDGET.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT ONLY IS TWO ORGANIZATIONS, UM, WHICH FEELS BIZARRE.
HOWEVER, UM, UPON REFLECTION WE JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, ONLY TWO ORGANIZATIONS THAT QUALIFY.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IN THE FUTURE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WOULDN'T QUALIFY.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S THE DEFINITION OF DIRECT BENEFIT WHEN YOU GO ALL THE WAY DOWN, WHICH TALKS ABOUT IT BEING RELATED TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID, IT WAS VERY CLEARLY STATED.
AND IF THE FESTIVAL FOR MOUNTAIN BIKING, WHICH WAS ONE THAT I HAD BROUGHT UP ABOUT OUTDOOR CULTURE, UM, IF IT WEREN'T AN LLC, THEN YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, IT WOULD FIT.
SO WHILE I UNDERSTAND WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING HERE, I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UM, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT AS A COMMUNITY AS FAR AS ORGANIZATIONS THAT MEET THE CRITERION.
ANY OPPOSED? NAY TO OPPOSED, UH, UH, FUL AND, UH, FURMAN.
[8.a. AB 3256 Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for approval of a Zone Change (ZC) from RS-18 (Single Family Residential) to CO (Commercial) to allow for development of additional parking for the Hillside Shopping Center. The subject properties are located at 62 & 86 Royal Glen Lane, east of the Hillside Shopping Center and northeast of the intersection of State Route 179 and Sombart Lane. APN: 401-19-012 & -013A. Case Number: PZ25-00003 (ZC) Property Owner: MCA Hillside, LLC (Tyler Mattox) Applicant: MCA Realty, Inc (Tom Hanrahan)]
TO ITEM A, AB 32 56 PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE REQUEST FOR APPROVAL, UH, OF HIS OWN CHANGE.CC FROM RS 18, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO CO COM COMMERCIAL TO ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A, AN ADDITIONAL PARKING, UH, FOR THE HILLSIDE SHOPPING CENTER.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED AT 12, I'M SORRY, 62 AND 86 ROYAL GLEN LANE, EAST OF THE HILLSIDE SHOPPING CENTER AND NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, STATE ROUTE 1 79 AND SOMBER LANE.
UH, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION FOR, OKAY, THAT'S THE NEXT ITEM.
UM, MY FIRM REPRESENTS PEOPLE WHO HAVE A STAKE IN THE OUTCOME OF THIS MATTER, SO I WILL NOT BE PARTICIPATING IN THE DISCUSSION OR THE VOTE.
SO CARRIE, YOU'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING WELL ACTUALLY MEGAN, OUR ASSISTANT PLANNER, WILL BE PRESENTING.
I AM HERE FOR MORAL SUPPORT AND TO HELP.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COME UP, BUT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MEGAN.
SO, UM, AS YOU SAID, THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A REQUEST TO REZONE THE PROPERTIES FROM RS 18 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO CO COMMERCIAL, UM, TO BE DEVELOPED AS A LEGAL PARKING LOT.
THE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED AT 62 AND 86 ROYAL GLEN LANE, WHICH IS LOCATED BEHIND THE, UH, SEDONA HILLSIDE SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTIES IS APPROXIMATELY 1.6 ACRES.
CURRENTLY MOST OF THE PROPERTY IS A VA IS VACANT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE NON PERMITTED OVERFLOW PARKING LOT FOR THE HILLSIDE SEDONA SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND THEY WILL HAVE A SHORT, UM, PRESENTATION AFTER MINE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE TO THE WEST AND NORTH OF THE PROPERTIES IS STATE ROUTE 1 79 AND THE HILLSIDE SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS WEST AND SOUTH OF THE PROPERTIES.
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THE AERIAL MAP HERE SHOWS THE PROPERTY LINES IN THE EXISTING NON PERMITTED PARKING LOT.THE PROPERTIES ARE DESIGNATED AS MIXED USE IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
REZONING MAY BE CONSIDERED WITHOUT A COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT IF THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MIXED USE AREA.
SO MIXED USE THE STATES THAT A DESIGNATION IS INTENDED TO SUPPORT.
DEVELOPMENTS WITH A VARIETY OF USES AND CONCERN SERVE AS A TRANSITION BETWEEN MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL USES AND RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, AND AS WE KNOW, THE CURRENT ZONING IS RS 18 AND THEY'RE PROPOSING COMMERCIAL.
UH, THE COMMUNITY PLAN MAP SHOWS THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND WEST ARE DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IS DESIGNATED AS MIXED USE.
THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTHEAST ARE DESIGNATED AS MULTIFAMILY MEDIUM DENSITY, WHICH ALSO INCLUDE THEIR ARROYO SIENNA SUBDIVISION.
AND PROPERTIES TO THE EAST ARE ALSO DESIGNATED AS MIXED USE.
AND UH, THIS IS THE ZONING MAP WHICH SHOWS THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTHWEST ARE ZONED PARKING AND COMMERCIAL.
THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IS ZONED RS 18.
UH, THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTHEAST ARE ZONED RM ONE AND PD AND THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST IS ALSO ZONED RSS 18.
SO AS STATED, THIS PROPOSAL IS TO REZONE FROM RS 18, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL TO BRING THE NON PERMITTED GRAVEL PARKING LOT INTO COMPLIANCE SINCE THE PARKING LOT IS NOT AN ALLOWED USE OR PERMITTED USE UNDER THE RS 18 ZONING.
THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES 26 SPACES, WHICH ARE TO BE FOR EMPLOYEES ONLY.
THE APPLICATION OR IS PROPOSING TO BRING THE CURRENT EXTERIOR PARKING LOT LIGHTS INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY COMPLIANT.
UH, THEY WILL INSTALL BICYCLE PARKING AT HILLSIDE, WHICH HILLSIDE DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE ANY BICYCLE PARKING AND A PEDESTRIAN PATH FROM THE PARKING LOT TO HILLSIDE TO MAKE IT, UH, SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS TO GO FROM THIS OVERFLOW PARKING LOT INTO HILLSIDE.
UM, AND THE PREVIOUS GRADING AREA IS TO REMAIN AND THE CURRENT GRAY GRAVEL IS, UH, PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED TO RED.
THE REST OF THE SITE WILL REMAIN IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION.
SO THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR THE ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION, INCLUDING THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND GOALS AND POLICIES AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE GO SEDONA PATHWAYS PLAN, TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, AND THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 8.3 E FIVE GIVES US APPROVAL CRITERIA APPLICABLE TO ALL DEVELOPMENT SUBDIVISIONS AND REZONING APPLICATIONS.
SOME OF WHICH INCLUDE THE PROPOSAL THAT THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS IMPROVE, UH, APPROVALS, WHICH THERE WEREN'T ANY, UM, MINIMIZING IMPACTS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND COMPLIANCE WITH LDC AND OTHER APPLICABLE REGULATIONS.
AND THE FULL EVALUATION WAS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT IN YOUR PACKET.
THE APPLICANT CONDUCTED PUBLIC OUTREACH.
UM, THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET MATERIALS AND STAFF HAS COMPLETED THE PUBLIC NOTICING.
AND ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED FOR THIS HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO COUNSEL.
AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, STAFF BELIEVES THE APPLICATION MEETS THE REQUIRED FIGHTING FOR THE ZONE CHANGE.
UM, BASED ON THE COMPLIANCE WITH ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS AS CONDITIONED GENERAL CONSIST CONSISTENCY WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROVAL, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
A PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD WITH A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON JULY 15TH.
THE P AND Z COMMISSION REQUESTED THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT WORK WITH NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS TO ADDRESS CONCERNS.
THE FOLLOWING CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE, TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S REQUEST.
THE APPLICANT HAS INSTALLED, UM, IS PROPOSING TO INSTALL A BOOM LIFT GATE PLANT EIGHT TREES ON 91 ROYAL GLEN.
THEY'RE GOING TO EXPAND THE DRY VIALS FROM 24 FEET TO 26 FEET TO HELP WITH EMERGENCY ACCESS AND DELIVERY TRUCK DRIVERS.
THEY'RE GOING TO INSTALL NEW EMPLOYEE ONLY PARKING SIGNS AND THE RED GRAVEL SURFACING WITH RECYCLED FIRE HOSES WILL BE USED AS MATERIALS INSTEAD OF ASPHALT ON JULY 15TH.
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UH, APPROVAL ALONG WITH WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED, UM, OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WHICH WERE ON PAGES 95 THROUGH 97.SO THOSE ARE THE RECOMMENDED THAT WE BROUGHT TO, UM, PNZ.
AND THEN THEY ADDED ONE CONDITION, WHICH IS CONDITION NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL CONSTRUCT A GATE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE SOUTH TO CONTROL ACCESS TO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY ALL AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE LDC AND SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.
AND, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO INSTALL THE BOOM GATE TO MEET THIS REQUIREMENT, UM, BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT MORE, UH, REVISIONS.
WE ARE RE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION BE ADDED AS CONDITION 11 THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL ADHERE TO THE REVISIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS.
DETAILED IN THE ADDENDUM TO LETTER OF INTENT FOR ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION, A PN 4 0 1 DASH ONE NINE DASH ZERO TWO AND 4 0 1 19 A DATED 1 8 19 20 25.
DOES THE APPLICANT AGREE TO THE CONDITIONS YOU JUST LISTED? SO YES, THEY, ALL OF THOSE CONDITIONS, UM, THE CONDITIONS WERE, UH, INCLUDED AND THEY AGREED TO THE, UH, CONDITION 11 WITH THEIR REVISED, UH, LETTER OF INTENT.
THANK YOU MAYOR MELISSA, I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE, OKAY.
UM, THE CONDITION FOR ABOUT THE GATE, UM, AND THE WORDING IS THAT SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY ALL AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS, HOW, WHO ORGANIZES THE APPROVAL OF ALL AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEEMS THAT ALL HAVE AGREED AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S ONE HOLDOUT MULTI-PART QUESTION.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CHECK.
THERE'S ONLY, I BELIEVE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED.
UM, AND THE ISSUE WAS THAT THAT WAS BEING DRAFTED DURING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WAS AT THAT MEETING AND I REQUESTED THE GATE AND THEY WERE IN AGREEMENT AND ONE PROPERTY OWNER WAS NOT THERE.
UM, AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE A SITUATION WHERE ONE OF THE AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS DIDN'T WANT IT, ONE DID, AND NOW WE HAVE A CONDITION THAT UM, IS HARD TO MEET.
SO, UM, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK MORE.
THEY'VE HAD SOME OTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER SINCE THE P AND Z MEETING, AND SO THEY CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS RESULTED IN.
SO AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, NOW, THE TWO EFFECTIVE PROPERTY OWNERS DO AGREE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN YOU IN FRONT OF US BEFORE.
NICE JOB ON YOUR PRESENTATION, SO THANK YOU.
CAN YOU FLIP TO YOUR LAST SLIDE? YEAH.
THIS QUESTION JUST OCCURS TO ME AS, AS YOU MADE THAT PRESENTATION, SO WE'VE GOT IT, I THINK THE WORD SAY FROM THE P AND Z HEARING CONDITION FOUR WAS ADDED MM-HMM
AND THEN YOU ALSO ARE NOW RECOMMENDING THE LAST STATEMENT IN THERE ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT WERE IN THE DETAILS, UH, ARE ALSO KIND OF REFERENCED NOW INTO THE CONDITIONS.
BUT CAN YOU JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY WE PULLED THE GATE OUT SPECIFICALLY TO PUT IN THIS? AND THEN ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS ON A PREVIOUS SLIDE ARE KIND OF INCORPORATED BY THIS LAST ELEMENT, BUT WHY THE DIFFERENCE IN TREATMENT? SO AT THE PNZ MEETING, THERE WAS AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE OWNER AND OR THE ONE PROPERTY OWNER WHO WAS THERE AND THE APPLICANT THAT A GATE WOULD, WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
UM, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF OTHER QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP ABOUT WHAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE WILLING TO DO, WHAT THE PROPER NEWS WOULD WANT.
AND SO, BECAUSE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SAW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT SAID WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THEM, WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW FAR, LIKE WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO COMMIT TO TONIGHT, BUT WE'RE, THEY WERE WILLING TO COMMIT TO THE GATE THAT NIGHT.
SO THAT WAS ADDED AS A CONDITION AND THEN AFTER THE HEARING, THE APPLICANT WORKED WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND CAME UP WITH THE LIST.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S, AND RATHER THAN LIST OUT EVERYTHING IN THAT WE JUST REFERENCED THERE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS MORE.
AND THEN JUST ANOTHER SORT OF DETAILED THAT'S THE GATE IS CONDITION FOUR, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE JULY 15 CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND THERE'S AN ITEM FOUR.
IS IT CONDITION FOUR IS THE SAME AS ITEM FOUR? ARE WE ADDING ELEMENT IV INTO THAT LIST OR HOW DOES THAT FORM MIX? I THINK WE RENUMBERED THE, THE CONDITIONS AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
SO THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE JUST ADDED AT THE END TO
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NOT MESS UP THE NUMBERING, BUT WE ADDED IT IN THE MIDDLE.WHEN WE ADDED CONDITION 11, WE ADDED IT TO THE END SO WE WOULDN'T MESS UP THE NUMBERING AGAIN.
SO I'M SORRY FOR ANY CONFUSION, SORT OF SIMILAR WAS THE JULY 15TH DATE ONLY GOES UP TO CONDITION NINE AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CONDITION 11 AND THAT KIND, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MISSING CONDITIONS? THE NINE WAS WHAT STAFF PROPOSED BY THE END OF THE P AND Z MEETING.
IT MIGHT BE BEAUTIFUL IN THE FUTURE FOR US WHEN IT COMES TO COUNCIL FOR US TO SEE THE ACTUAL DRAFT LANGUAGE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
SO I SEE, YEAH, WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF PRESENTING THE EVOLUTION OF A PROJECT.
THAT'S JUST A MINOR KNIT AND, AND, BUT I WAS JUST CONFUSED AS I'VE LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS, A QUESTION THAT I WANTED TO ASK SORT OF ADDRESSES.
AND I DID WATCH THE P AND Z HEARING AND WENT BACK AND, AND HEARD THE, UH, THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS SURROUNDING THEIR CONCERNS AND WHATNOT.
AND IT OCCURRED TO ME TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER WE COULD MAKE, LET ME FIRST SET UP IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A PARKING LOT.
THAT'S BOLTED IN NOW IN CONDITION 11.
UM, BUT JUST BEAR WITH ME HERE.
10 YEARS FROM TODAY, THE AIS TAKE OVER AND THEY DON'T NEED EMPLOYEES ANYMORE,
AND NOW, UH, THEY WANNA DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THAT PROPERTY, BUT NOW IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL.
AND SO WE ENTER SOME KIND OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW YOU CAN DO THAT OR NOT.
AND A QUESTION THAT I HAVE, AN IDEA THAT I THOUGHT OF IS, CAN WE DO ANYTHING TO MAKE THIS REZONING CONDITIONAL THAT THEY JUST USE IT FOR THIS INTENDED PURPOSES? AND IF THERE'S EVER A NON NEED FOR THE PARKING LOT ANYMORE AND AN IDEA TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE HAVE IT REVERT BACK TO RESIDENTIAL AND START THE CONVERSATION FROM THERE.
AND I THINK, KURT, I TALKED WITH YOU BRIEFLY ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M CURIOUS WHETHER YOU CARRY, OR KURT, WHETHER THAT'S ALLOWABLE FOR US TO THINK ABOUT CONDITIONAL ZONING, REVERTIBLE ZONING IDEAS THAT'S LOOKING AT ME.
UM, SO YOU ARE ABLE TO DO CONDITIONAL REZONINGS.
I WOULD PROBABLY ASK, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT TO BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.
UM, THE ONLY TIME THAT I'M, SO WE DID FOR MARIPOSA, UM, WE DIDN'T RESTRICT IT TO ONE USE, BUT SOME OF THOSE SAME CONCERNS WERE THERE AND, UM, THEY ENTERED INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT, UM, LISTED I THINK 20, I THINK AT THE TIME THE COMMERCIAL ZONE ALLOWED FOR ABOUT 60 DIFFERENT USES AND THEY LIMITED TO IT ABOUT 20 OF THOSE THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO WE COULD, UH, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL COULD BE TO ENTER INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO LIMITED IT TO, UH, PARKING USES OR ANYTHING OTHER, ANY OTHER USES THAT COUNCIL FELT WAS APPROPRIATE.
SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE, UH OH, OPINE ON THAT PARTICULAR IDEA.
AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I DIDN'T SURFACE IT A LOT EARLIER AND GIVE US ALL MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT, BUT IT REALLY DID JUST OCCUR TO ME AS I WAS PREPPING FOR THIS MEETING A COUPLE DAYS AGO.
SO TO, TO MY COLLEAGUES' POINT, IF IT WAS LIMITED TO ONE USE AND SOMEBODY CAME IN AND WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, THEY WOULD AGAIN, HAVE TO GO THROUGH A REZONING APPLICATION.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT WASN'T COMMERCIAL.
UM, I GUESS WELL, WELL, IF YOU'RE LIMITING IT TO ONLY ONE USE, SO IF THEY WANNA CHANGE IT TO SOMETHING ELSE, EVEN WITHIN COMMERCIAL, THEY WOULD'VE TO GO THROUGH A REZONING OR AN AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO IF WE DON'T HAVE A ZONING THAT'S ONLY PARKING WE USED TO YEARS AGO, BUT GOT RID OF THAT, UM, AND SO IF IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL BUT THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT RESTRICTS USES, IT WOULD BE A REVISION, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL.
I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
UH, I DON'T HAVE A GREAT, UH, MAP HERE, BUT WHERE IS THIS BOOM GATE GOING TO? IS THAT, IF I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE GRAPHIC OF THE, THE OVERHEAD OF THE, THE, UH, PARKING LOT WITH THE YELLOW LINES AROUND, IT'S TWO LOTS.
UH, IT'S IN THE PACKET, BUT PULL UP THE GATE WOULD BE WHERE, WHICH, WHICH IS, AND I'VE BEEN UP IN THAT PARKING LOT MANY TIMES I GO TO HUDSON'S AND WHATEVER, BUT WHERE THE BLACKTOP ENDS AND THE DIRT BEGINS, WILL THE BOOM GATE BE THERE AND WILL THERE BE ANY OTHER ACCESS TO SOMBER LANE? OR IT WOULD BE CLO COMPLETELY CLOSED TO SOMBER LANE? I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY ACCESS TO SOM BART LANE RIGHT NOW.
NO, THERE'S ALREADY A CURRENT GATE
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THAT, UM, STOPS ROYAL GLEN INTO THE, UM, ARROYO SIENNA SUBDIVISION.SO THERE'S ALREADY A GATE THERE AND THIS BOOM GATE WILL GO IN BETWEEN THE CURRENT PARKING LOT AND WHERE IT TURNS GRAVEL.
CAN WE NOT HAVE ANY TALKING SO THAT, SO THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THEY HAVE A, AN AERIAL IN THEIR PRESENTATION TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION WHEN YOU GET TO THAT.
BUT JUST PLEASE DON'T CALL, YOU HAVE TO BE ON A MICROPHONE.
SO HE'S GONNA COME UP, YOU WANT TO HAVE HIM JOIN YOU.
AND THEN MEGAN, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE BOOM GATE, IF IT'S FOR EMPLOYEES AND THEY HAVE A SHIFT CHANGE, SOMEONE'S GONNA BE, UH, STATIONED THERE TO OPEN THE BOOM GATE TO ALLOW EMPLOYEES IN AND OUT, WHOEVER WANTS TO ANSWER THAT.
UM, TELL WITH YOUR NAME, NAME TOM HAN WITH MCA REALTY.
UH, I'M THE ASSET MANAGER, UM, FOR HILLSIDE SEDONA SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, SO IN MY PRESENTATION, THE BOOM GATE IS, IT HAS A GARAGE DOOR OPENER FOR THE TWO AFFECTED RESIDENTS.
UH, IT HAS A CODE BOX FOR ALL THE EMPLOYEES AND IF THERE IS EVER ANY POWER OUTAGE, IT AUTOMATICALLY GOES UP, STAYS OPEN.
UM, AND WE'VE CONSULTED WITH THE, UM, FIRE MARSHAL AND HE APPROVES.
MEGAN, I BELIEVE THERE'S, I THINK THAT'S EXHIBIT THAT DOESN'T HELP.
UM, DO YOU WANNA JUST GO, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR WOULD YOU LIKE THE APPLICANT TO GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION? UM, I THINK I'M GOOD AT JUST DON'T GO AWAY BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE, UH, THE PUBLIC YET AND THEN FINAL COMMENTS FROM THE DA.
OKAY, MR. HAMMERHAN, GO FOR IT.
UM, REALLY QUICK IS MS. JACKSON HERE.
MS. JACKSON IS ONE OF THE TWO AFFECTED NEIGHBORS.
SHE HAS PNEUMONIA, UM, SO SHE COULDN'T MAKE IT.
UM, BUT SHE DOES, SHE IS IN FULL SUPPORT AND THE BOOM GATE WAS HER IDEA.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF ASSET MANAGEMENT AT MCA REALTY.
WE OWN AND MANAGE HILLSIDE ZONE SHOPPING CENTER, INCLUDING THE SUBJECT PARCELS INVOLVED IN THIS REQUEST.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TONIGHT.
THIS WILL BE A SHORT PRESENTATION AS OUR GOAL IS SIMPLE TO ADD MORE CONFORMING PARKING DOOR CENTER SO THAT WE CAN SUPPORT OUR EXISTING BUSINESSES AND ATTRACT NEW AND EXCITING BUSINESSES TO HILLSIDE.
WE'RE REQUESTING A ZONE CHANGE FOR TWO PARCELS FROM RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY TO COMMERCIAL OFFICE.
THESE PARCELS HAVE LONG SERVED AS OVERFLOW PARKING FOR THE HILLSIDE SHOPPING CENTER.
OUR PROPOSAL IS TO FORMALIZE THAT EXISTING USE BY IMPROVING THE LOT TO MEET CITY STANDARDS.
ADDITIONALLY, WE ARE DESIGNATING THE LOT FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING ONLY AND RESTRICTING PUBLIC ACCESS THROUGH THE INSTALLATION OF A BOOM LIFT GATE AT THE ENTRANCE.
A SOLUTION ORIGINALLY PROPOSED BY MS. JACKSON AT 100 ROYAL GLEN, WHICH WE FULLY SUPPORT.
WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE'LL EXPAND ON THIS IN FUTURE SLIDES.
SIMPLY A CLEANUP OF EXISTING USES.
THIS IS A PREVIOUSLY DISTURBED AREA DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE COMMERCIAL CENTER.
IT HAS BEEN USED INFORMALLY AS A PARKING LOT FOR YEARS, BUT THE CURRENT ZONING DOESN'T SUPPORT THAT USE.
THIS ZONE CHANGE ALLOWS US TO BRING THE PARCELS INTO LEGAL COMPLIANCE AND INVEST IN MUCH NEEDED IMPROVEMENTS WITHOUT CHANGING THE NATURE OR INTENSITY OF HOW THE SITE IS USED.
THIS PROPOSAL IS FOCUSED ON IMPROVING SAFETY ORGANIZATION AND ACCESS.
FORMALIZING THE PARKING HELPS TRAFFIC CIRCULATION, SUPPORTS OUR TENANTS AND ENHANCES THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE.
ADDITIONALLY, THIS PRO THIS PROPOSAL ALIGNS WITH THE SOTO OWNERS BROADER PLANNING GOALS AND COMMUNITY VISION.
OUR PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THREE OF THE CITY'S ADOPTED POLICY DOCUMENTS THAT GOES SEDONA PATHWAYS PLAN BY IMPROVING WALKABILITY AND ORGANIZED ACCESS THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN BY REDUCING INFORMAL ROADSIDE PARKING AND IMPROVING FLOW THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN BY REUSING PREVIOUSLY DISTURBED LAND, INSTALLING PERMEABLE, CRUSHED GRANITE AND INSTALLING CODE COMPLIANT LED, WE'VE TAKEN ADDITIONAL STEPS TO ALIGN WITH THE CITY'S GOALS.
WE'RE PROPOSING A DEED RESTRICTION THAT PERMANENTLY PROHIBITS SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON THESE PARCELS.
WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING A PARKING EASEMENT THAT TIES THESE STALLS PERMANENTLY
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TO THE SHOPPING CENTER.USE PUBLIC WORKS HAS REQUESTED A SEWER EASEMENT TO BE RECORDED AND WE ARE HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE.
WE FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT A GRADING PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED AND WE'RE PREPARED TO COMPLY.
WE'RE ALSO MAKING SURE THE SITE HANDLES WATER RESPONSIBLY BY USING PERMEABLE CRUSH GRANITE AND SUSTAINABLE DRAINAGE SOLUTIONS, WHICH WILL RE REDUCE RUNOFF FIRE.
MARSHAL RIDDLE AND PUBLIC WORKS SUPPORT OUR DESIGN.
WE'VE HAD CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND MS. JACKSON SUGGESTION.
WE ARE INSTALLING A BOOM GATE AT THE LOT ENTRANCE TO RESTRICT PUBLIC ACCESS FOR MR. BURST.
WE ARE OFFERING THE INSTALLATION OF EIGHT CODE COMPLIANT TREES OF REASONABLE HEIGHT.
I UNDERSTAND HE MAY BE SPEAKING LETTER AND WE'RE PREPARED TO ADDRESS ANY ADDITIONAL CONCERNS.
UM, IN SUMMARY, WE BELIEVE THIS IS A LOGICAL AND RESPONSIBLE ZONE CHANGE.
IT FORMALIZES AN EXISTING COMMUNITY SERVING USE.
IT SUPPORTS THE CITY'S OWN POLICY OBJECTIVES WITHOUT INTRODUCING ANY ADVERSE EFFECTS.
AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC? I DO.
I WANNA KIND OF FOLLOW UP ON COUNSELOR ELLA'S QUESTION.
I THINK I UNDERSTOOD NOW THE NUANCE OF WHAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR COUNSELOR.
AND SO I I THINK THE QUE TWO QUESTIONS I THINK I WANNA ASK IS, OKAY, WE GET THIS BUILT, THIS IS APPROVED, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE THERE, YOU DON'T GET THE CO UNLESS YOU COMPLI TO EVERYTHING.
WE'RE WE'RE MOVING ON FIVE YEARS FROM TODAY.
YOU SAY, OH, IT'S NOT, WE DON'T, WE NEED SOME ROOM FOR THE CUSTOMERS TO, WE DON'T WANT JUST EMPLOYEES IN THAT LOT.
WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR APPROVING THAT KIND OF CHANGE SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE? UM, TO REMOVE IT FROM AN EMPLOYEE ONLY LOT TO, WELL, WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT LANGUAGE INTO THE DEED RESTRICTION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY GET US OVER THE HURDLE.
AND THEN SORT OF RELATED TO THAT, AGAIN, I THINK UNDER THE NUANCE THAT YOU WERE TRYING TO ASK IS THAT 10 YEARS FROM TODAY, YOU'VE SOLD THE ASSET, SOMEBODY ELSE HAS GOT THE SHOPPING CENTER AS AS AN ASSET.
THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT IDEA AND MAYBE THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING UP ON THAT LOT THAT CONFORMS TO OUR COMMERCIAL CODE NOW, BUT ISN'T IN THAT AGREEMENT AGAIN.
WHAT'S THE PROCESS? IS THAT JUST AN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF? DOES IT HAVE TO GO TO PNZ? WE HAVE NEW RULES IN PNZ ABOUT WHAT PNZ GETS APPROVED.
DOES IT COME TO COUNCIL IN A CERTAIN WAY OR, AND, AND IT, BUT IT'S NOT A ZONE CHANGE BECAUSE IT COMPLIES WITH THE ZONING.
SO I'M JUST KIND OF TRYING TO FUTURE PROOF MM-HMM
SOMETHING THAT ISN'T IN THE AGREEMENT TODAY.
AND THAT CAN BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
AND SO THEN IF THEY WANTED TO, THEY WOULD COME BACK TO THE CITY AND NOW WE HAVE TO RENEGOTIATE THE DA JUST SO YES, WE AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND DO RE AND NEGOTIATE DAS COME BEFORE P AND Z ANYMORE.
SO WE, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO.
BUT, UH, COUNCIL GENERALLY HAS US TAKE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS.
IF WE DID A CONDITIONAL ZONE CHANGE THAT REVERTS BACK FOR ANY OTHER USE TO RESIDENTIAL AND NOW THEY WANNA PUT THIS BUILDING OR WHATEVER THAT IDEA WAS, NOW IT'S A ZONE CHANGE.
WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LARGER, MORE FORMAL PROCESS.
IF IT BECOMES A ZONE EVERY ZONE AGAIN, THEN YES, THANK YOU.
SO THIS IS PROBABLY AIMED AT OCCUR.
IT'S BASED ON SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID, MR. HAN, OR JUST A MOMENT AGO YOU SAID YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE THE IDEA OF IT BEING AN EMPLOYEE ONLY PARKING LOT IN BANKING, THAT PART OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS.
IF IT WAS PART OF A DEED RESTRICTION, THEN DOESN'T THAT JUST TRAVEL WITH THE LAND AND IN THE FUTURE IF ANYONE PURCHASED IT, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD ANYTHING ON IT OTHER THAN AN EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER WAY OF DOING IT.
UM, SO THE CURRENT DEED RESTRICTION IS JUST FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL.
UM, IF THEY WANTED TO, I GUESS IF YOU'RE GOING TO PARKING ONLY, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL RESTRICTION.
WE, YEAH, WE DRAFTED TWO DEED RESTRICTIONS.
ONE TO HANDLE THE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND ONE FOR THE PARKING ONLY, WHICH I BELIEVE WERE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
CAN YOU ANSWER FOR ME, MELISSA, ARE YOU DONE? I DON'T WANNA CUT YOU OFF.
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UNDER THIS IS FOR A PARKING LOT FOR EMPLOYEES.I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE HOUSING GOALS AS, AS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT ITEM SIX, TO FURTHER SUPPORT COMMUNITY HOUSING GOALS, WE WANT TO CLEARLY STATE THAT WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF ALLOWING SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON THE PARCEL.
WELL IT, SO THAT WAS JUST BECAUSE AS THINGS AS, AGAIN, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNSELOR KINSEL AND COUNSELOR FURMAN ARE ASKING OF, YOU'RE WANTING TO DO A PARKING LOT NOW, WHAT COULD BE DONE IN THE FUTURE? THERE'S ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU COULD BUILD HOUSING.
HOUSING COULD BE CONDO CONDOS COULD THEN BECOME SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT.
THAT'S WHY THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, THAT'S NOT OUR INTENTION.
WE'LL, WE'LL SIGN AN AGREEMENT THAT WE WON'T DO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
IF YOU ARE ASKING THEM TO SAY PARKING ONLY AND THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT, YOU MIGHT NOT NEED A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE I WASN'T MISSING SOMETHING AS FAR AS HOUSING GOALS.
BUT NOW I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
EVEN THOUGH WITH THE UPZONING IT FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL, THEY COULD STILL BE BUILDING SHORT TERM RENTALS ULTIMATELY DOWN THE ROAD.
RESIDE RESIDENTIAL IS ALWAYS AN ALLOWABLE USE UNDER COMMERCIAL ZONING.
I JUST, YEAH, I JUST WANT TO, IT JUST PEAKED MY INTEREST FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER REASON.
SO, UM, AND THE GO PATHWAY PLAN I UNDERSTAND IS TO HELP, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIANS OR CUSTOMERS BE ABLE TO WALK FROM THIS LOT, WHICH IS IN A DEPRESSED AREA, IT'LL HELP THEM BE ABLE TO WALK UP, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY PART OF THE GO PLAN BECAUSE IT DOESN'T CONNECT, UH, A PATH FROM A TO B IS JUST IN THAT PARKING LOT TO GO FROM THE LOT UP TO THE PAVED AREA.
AM I CORRECT? AND THEN THE SHOPPING CENTER ITSELF CONNECTS TO OKAY.
I, THAT I UNDERSTOOD, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS ACTUALLY A SHARED USE PATH CONNECTED.
I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY IS BEING CONSIDERED.
AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IN THE PACKET, WHAT I SEE, IT WAS JUST TWO DECLARATIONS, PROHIBITION OF SHORT TERM RENTALS.
MAYBE THE SAME ONE GOT UPLOADED TWICE.
UM, THEY BOTH SAY DECLARATION OF DEED RESTRICTION PROHIBITION AND SHORT TERM RENTALS.
AND THEN AGAIN ON 29 30 IT SAYS PROHIBITION OF SHORT TERM RENTALS.
WELL, WE, WE CERTAINLY HAVE ONE AND WE'RE WILLING TO COMMIT TO IT.
SO, AND THAT CASE, CARRIE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE COULD PUT IN THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL RIGHT NEXT TO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AND, UM, PARKING, UH, EMPLOYEE PARKING ONLY RESTRICTION.
CAN, CAN I CLARIFY THAT? DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL NOW BECOMES 12 INSTEAD OF 11? SO I THINK IT COULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONDITION, SORRY, UH, AMEND TO THE CONDITION AND APPROVAL REQUIRING THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL DEED RESTRICTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC? OKAY, LET'S OPEN THIS UP.
UH, WE'RE GONNA START WITH, UH, BETSY KLEIN.
ARE YOU STILL HERE? WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JOHN BURST.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENT AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES ON THE CLOCK.
I OWN, ACTUALLY OWN A SEVERAL BUSINESSES HERE.
AND ONE OF 'EM IS TO PARTNER WITH HILLSIDE ON THEIR MARKETING EFFORTS.
I JUST WANTED TO EX, UH, EXPRESS MY SUPPORT THIS EVENING AS WELL AS FOR THE TENANTS WHO COULD NOT ATTEND TONIGHT, INCLUDING MOONEY'S, IRISH, PUB Z WELLNESS, BLUE LOTUS ASCEND WELLNESS, AND TIFFANY JLO DESIGNS AND GALLERY OF MODERN MASTERS.
THIS WILL GREATLY BENEFIT THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES, WHICH COULD USE YOUR SUPPORT.
BEFORE YOU STEP AWAY, BETSY, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YES, OF COURSE.
SO YOU'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
WE SPOKE MANY YEARS AGO AND YOU SHARED WITH ME, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO ABOUT THE LOSS OF PARKING IN YOUR CENTER WITH THE 1 79 PROJECT.
THERE WAS ANOTHER NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
SORRY, ANOTHER PERSON UP THERE.
BUT, UH, BUT FOR THE 1 79 PROJECT, THE COMPLEX DID LOSE PARKING.
DO YOU, ARE YOU AWARE, AWARE OF THAT? YEAH, I DO REMEMBER THAT.
BUT MY BUSINESS ISN'T IN HILLSIDE, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A WOMAN AND SHE WAS, SHE SHARED WITH ME THE LOSS OF PARKING AND IT, IT PRETTY MUCH, IT REALLY HURT THE COMPLEX AND I'M, I'LL GET TO PUBLIC COMMENT LATER.
I JUST WANNA BE SURE MY, MY FACTS WERE RIGHT.
OKAY, SO JOHN BURST WILL BE FOLLOWED BY AARON, UH, NIK LUMPKIN.
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I'M JOHN BUR, I LIVE AT 91 ROYAL GLEN LANE AND IF I SPEAK MAY MY LAWYER SPEAK AFTER ME.YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TALK WITH YOU AND YOU GAVE YOUR NAME INTO THE RESIDENCE.
OKAY, WELL, I, UH, I DID NOT APPROVE THE BUMP GATE.
I WAS NOT ABLE TO MEET THE, BE AT THE HEARING TWO MONTHS AGO.
AND SO NOTICE HOW TOM HEIN DID NOT, UH, MENTION MY NAME AT ALL.
HE'S REFERRING TO FRANNY JACKSON OR BRUNO, WHATEVER HER NAME IS, AT HUNTER ROYAL GLEN LANE, ACTING LIKE SHE'S THE ONE THAT'S MOST AFFECTED BY THE ZONING CHANGE.
BUT I AM AFFECTED THE MOST, I HAVE APPROXIMATELY 400 FEET OF FRONTAGE, UH, NEXT TO HUDSON RESTAURANT AND THE PARKING GARAGE.
AND SO, UH, UH, I FELT LIKE THAT TOM HANEN DID NOT, UH, NEGOTIATE IN GOOD FAITH.
WE SENT HIM OUR CONDITIONS, ME AND MY LAWYER WAITING FOR HIM TO RETURN OUR, OUR CALLS AND OUR EMAILS.
BUT HE NEVER DID UNTIL YESTERDAY WHERE HE SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TOO MUCH, YOU KNOW, TOUGH LUCK.
GO POUND STONE, GO GO POUND SAND
SO I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT PUBLIC SPEAKING, BUT I'M DRAWING.
SO, BUT REGARDLESS, UH, I DID NOT APPROVE THE, UH, THE UH, BOOM GATE.
I WANTED A GATE ON ROYAL GLEN LANE AT THE ENTRANCE OF IT TO PREVENT THE RIFT RAMP FROM COMING UP MY DRIVEWAY, THE DRUNKS AND THE CURIOSITY SEEKERS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION SAID THAT ALL PARTIES MUST AGREE.
I DIDN'T AGREE TO IT MIGHT HAVE AGREED TO IT, A HUNDRED ROYAL BEN LANE, BUT SHE'S LIKE 5% AFFECTED.
SO WE MUST POSTPONE THE DECISION HERE AND HAVE ANOTHER HEARING TO HAVE THE TOM HANRAN OF MCR REALTY OF, OF BE REQUESTED OR REQUIRED TO, UH, TO NEGOTIATE IN GOOD FAITH.
WE'VE BEEN IGNORED AND TOLD TO POUND SAND.
AND ALSO THE TREES, HE WAS GONNA GET BACK TO ME WITH PRICES HE NEVER DID.
WE'RE SITTING THERE FOR FOUR WEEKS WAITING FOR HIM TO RETURN OUR CALLS AND HE NEVER DID.
FINALLY, HE SPOKE TO US YESTERDAY AND SAID, YOU KNOW, GET LOST.
AND THEN WE FIND OUT THAT HE PUT IN THE PACKAGE THAT I APPROVED THE BUMP GATE AND I APPROVED EIGHT PUNY TREES, WHICH IS GONNA DO NOTHING FOR MY VALUE OF MY PROPERTY BECAUSE MY LOWER LOT IS ONLY 10 FEET ABOVE THE PARKING LOT, NOT 40 FEET.
THAT WAS UNAVAILABLE AT THE COMMISSION TO STATE THAT.
SO THEY SAID, WELL, YOUR, YOUR HOUSE IS 40 FEET ABOVE THE PARKING LOT.
YOU DON'T NEED NOISE ABATEMENT.
BUT MY LOWER LOT, WHICH IS VERY USEFUL, IS LOSING FUNCTIONAL UTILITY BECAUSE OF THE PARKING LOT.
THIS IS WHY I WANT A FENCE IN TREE OR TREES, 12 LARGE 25 FOOT PINE TREES.
NOT, NOT EIGHT SAPLINGS, WHICH I COULD BUY FOR 10 BUCKS EACH.
MAY I, MAY I ASK THE SPEAKER A QUESTION? UH, YES.
JOHN, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE AGAIN? COUNSEL HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU? I HOPE SO.
HI, UH, PLEASE ASK ME MANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU FOR, FOR BEING HERE.
YOU SAID THAT YOU SENT, UM, YOUR CONDITIONS TO THE APPLICANT AND THEN YOU TALKED ABOUT A BIGGER FENCE AND A FENCE AND BIGGER TREES.
DID YOU HAVE OTHER, UM, REQUESTS THAT YOU MADE? 'CAUSE YOU SAID YOU'RE STILL WAITING TO HEAR BACK, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF, OTHER THAN THOSE TWO ITEMS, ARE THERE OTHER ITEMS OF, OF YES, THERE WAS FOUR REQUESTS.
ONE WAS TO HAVE A REDDISH GRAVEL, LIKE HALF INCH JESSIE RED GRAVEL ON THE PARKING LOT, WHICH THEY ARE DOING.
WHICH WHEN WE DID GIVE 'EM THE CONDITIONS, THEY, THEY ALREADY DECIDED THAT THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
PROBABLY 'CAUSE IT'S A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE.
THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, GET LOST.
NUMBER TWO WAS AN AUTOMATIC GATE ON ROYAL GLEN LANE, THE BEGINNING OF MY ROADWAY TO KEPT UP TO DISTINGUISH ME FROM THE EMPLOYEE PARKING TO MAKE MY LOT MORE SECURE AND SAFER.
'CAUSE I'VE HAD NUMEROUS DRUNKS IN CURIOSITY COULD JUST COME UP MY DRIVEWAY.
THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS POLICE REPORTS ON THAT.
THEY RUN INTO MY PROPERTY, HIT THE, HIT THE FENCES, DRIVE OVER LANDSCAPING STUFF.
SO A BOOM GATE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CUSTOMER PARK WILL NOT DO THE TRICK BECAUSE CUSTOMERS, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE DOZENS OF CUSTOMERS FROM THE MALL WALKING OVER TO THE BACK OF THE LOT TO TAKE PICTURES OF THE BEAUTIFUL HILLS.
I SEE IT ALL THE TIME THAT DON'T EVEN PARK THERE.
AND I REALLY DOUBT IT'S GONNA BE FOR CUSTOMER PARKING ANYWAY BECAUSE WHERE ARE THE RVS AND THE GIANT TOUR BUSES GONNA PARK? THAT'S WHERE THEY PARK.
I SEE TWO OR THREE GIANT GREYHOUND SIZED TOUR BUSES PARKED NEXT TO EACH OTHER IN HIGH SEASON ON THAT LOT.
WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PARK IN HILLSIDE SED DAWN, DO YOU THINK? DO YOU THINK THAT? OKAY, THANK JOHN.
JOHN, YOUR ARE THE RETAIL STORES ARE GONNA SAY JOHN, YOU? OH, SORRY.
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WELL, IF THERE'S MORE QUESTIONS IT'S FINE, BUT YOU'RE GOING ON AND ON AND YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION.IF WE NEED YOU AGAIN, WE CAN ALWAYS CALL YOU UP.
AND THEN AARON, YOU WANT TO SPEAK AFTER JOHN? YES.
AND AARON WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SHEENA CURL COUNSELORS AND VICE MAYOR.
MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
UM, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE PLEASE.
AND HOLD THE MIC CLOSER TO YOUR MOUTH PLEASE.
MY NAME IS AARON LUMPKIN, CITY OF RESIDENCE AND IS FLAGSTAFF.
I'M AN ATTORNEY REPRESENTING MR. BURST IN THIS MATTER.
UM, MUCH OF WHAT I INTENDED TO SAY HAS BEEN SAID, BUT UH, TO REITERATE A FEW THINGS TO MR. BURST IS NOT IN AGREEMENT FOR THE LOCATION OF THE CURRENT BUMP GATE.
UM, ONE OF THE INITIAL CONCERNS WHEN HE FIRST VOICED HIS OPINION ABOUT THIS MATTER WAS THAT, UM, CUSTOMERS AT HILLSIDE SEDONA IN HIS PAST EXPERIENCE AFTER DINING, DRINKING MAKE THEIR WAY UP.
UH, ROYAL GLEN GOING THROUGH A PRIVATE DRIVE ONTO HIS PROPERTY CAUSING DISTURBANCES AND HIS CONCERN REMAINS WHILE EVEN THE PROPOSED PLACEMENT OF THE BUMP GATE WOULD DEAL WITH CONCERNS OVER TRAFFIC.
IT'S NOT GOING TO ADDRESS ANY OF HIS CONCERNS ABOUT, AS HE SAYS, CURIOSITY SEEKERS OR OTHERS THAT MIGHT BE INEBRIATED MAKING THEIR WAY UP ROYAL GLEN LANE, POSSIBLY UP INTO HIS PROPERTY CAUSING DAMAGE OR OTHER DISTURBANCE.
UM, FOR THAT REASON, HE'S IN OPPOSITION TO ITS CURRENT PLACEMENT AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT PLACED WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY MARKED AS THE REJECTED GATE.
HE BELIEVES THAT WILL SEND THE MESSAGE TO ANY PEDESTRIANS THAT THIS IS NOT AN AREA THAT IS TO BE TRAVERSED TO TRANSGRESS THAT IT IS PRIVATE.
UM, WITH THAT THERE IS MR. BURST WAS ASKED ABOUT WHAT OTHER CONDITIONS HE HAD ASKED FOR WERE ONE OF THEM IS BASED ON PAST EXPERIENCE.
THERE WAS BLOCKAGE ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS WHILE WORK WAS BEING DONE ON THE PARKING LOT OR SAY GARBAGE TRUCKS, DELIVERY TRUCKS THAT BLOCKED HIS ACCESS TO HIS PROPERTY.
AT ONE POINT HE WAS TRAPPED IN HIS PROPERTY, COULD NOT GET OUT.
ROYAL GLENN IS THE ONLY LEGAL ACCESS HE HAS.
ROYAL SIENNA IS A PRIVATE DRIVE AND IT'S GATED OFF.
UM, THIS HAS HAPPENED ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS.
HE WOULD LIKE IT AND HE WAS, HE'S ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE IT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT AN AGREEMENT MUST BE DRAFTED AND AGREED UPON A MEMORIALIZED BETWEEN MCA REALTY AND HIMSELF THAT WILL PROVIDE MEANS OF REMEDY AND RECOURSE IF HIS QUIET ENJOYMENTS AND ACCESS TO HIS PROPERTY IS BLOCKED.
PROVIDING SUCH TERMS, UM, FOR CONTACT CURE NOTICE, UM, SMALL LIQUIDATED DAMAGES ACCOUNTING FOR THE DEPRIVATION OF HIS USE AND ENJOYMENT OF HIS PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UM, WITH THOSE THINGS, MR. BURST DOES FEEL THAT HIS PROPERTY WOULD BE PROTECTED AS EIGHT E 35 SAYS THAT THERE MUST BE A MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
HE BELIEVES THESE TERMS WOULD GUARANTEE THAT, UM, IN LIEU OF THE TREES, MR. BURST IS WILLING TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING A FOUR FOOT HIGH WOODEN FENCE ALONG THE PERIMETER.
UH, SHEENA CURL, ARE YOU STILL HERE? SHEENA? OKAY.
AND YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY NICK SE HELLO, I'M SHEENA CURL.
I'VE WORKED IN HILLSIDE PLAZA FOR 25 YEARS.
I OWN HALINA CANTINA AND I'M AN INVESTOR OF HUDSON.
UM, I AM IN FAVOR OF THE ZONE CHANGE.
MY STAFF ALONE COULD, UM, UTILIZE THAT.
WE HAVE OVER 26 EMPLOYEES THAT USE THAT CURRENTLY.
IT'S NOT THE SAFEST, MOST SECURE.
THE LIGHTING AND STUFF WOULD BE A BONUS FOR THEM.
OKAY, NICK, START WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP A FEW POINTS AS WELL WHILE WE DISCUSSED THIS.
UH, I'VE WORKED AT HILLSIDE ALMOST 10 YEARS AS WELL.
BEFORE I WAS WITH MCMAHON MILLER, WHO DOES THE LEASING THERE.
A BIG POINT TO POINT OUT IS IN THAT GRAVEL LOT DURING SEASON, IF IT'S OPEN TO ANYONE AND EVERYONE THAT WANTS TO PARK THERE, IT BECOMES A MESS.
IF WE LIMIT IT JUST TO EMPLOYEES, IT'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTROL.
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AND I THINK IT WILL CREATE, IN TURN SOME NOISE ABATEMENT FOR MR. BURST AS WELL AS NOT ALLOWING, AS HE PUT IT, THE RIFF RAF TO WALK UP HIS DRIVEWAY.UH, BEYOND THAT, IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT EVERY BUSINESS AT HILLSIDE IS A LOCAL SEDONA RESIDENT.
IT'S HALFWAY FROM THE VILLAGE TO WEST SEDONA AS WELL.
UM, AND I THINK THIS SHOULD BE PASSED FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR COMMUNITY IN HILLSIDE PLAZA.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? OKAY, WE'LL BRING IT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AND WE WILL, UM, BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL.
AND BRIAN, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO I HAVE QUESTIONS.
FIGURED YOU WOULD, UH, SO DO I.
SO WHERE WILL BUSES BE PARKED? UM, WE ARE NOT VERY INTERESTED IN HAVING, UM, RVS PARKING AT OUR CENTER BUSES, COMMERCIAL BUSES.
WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PARK? UM, WE, I MEAN THERE'S, THERE WOULD BE POTENTIAL FOR COORDINATING IT TO PARK ON THE EMPLOYEE LOT WITH THE COMBO IF WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE COMING IN ADVANCE.
THAT'S NOT EMPLOYEE PARKING THEN, IS IT? MM-HMM.
UM, SO OTHER CENTERS WOULD CORDON OFF SIX OR SEVEN PARKING SPACES, WHICH WOULD BE ALLOWED A BUS PARKING SPACE COULD ACCOUNT FOR.
AND SO THAT'S GENERALLY, UM, OTHER CENTERS, THEY'LL JUST PARK AND THERE'S PLENTY OF PLACES WHERE THERE ARE SIX ADJACENT PARKING SPACES.
WHAT'S THE ESTIMATE OF THE MAXIMUM UTILIZATION OF THAT GRAVEL LOT TODAY? IT'S HAPHAZARD.
I HAD NO IDEA THAT THAT WAS A NON-CONFORMING USE OF THE LAND.
HOW MANY, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF USE IS BEING OBTAINED THERE NOW? I BELIEVE IT'S AROUND 40.
AND WITH THIS PLAN, HOW MANY? 26, YOU'RE GONNA REDUCE THE USAGE OF THE LOT? WE WILL.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN THERE WHEN YOU CAN'T FIND PARKING.
I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT DURING THE BUSY SEASON, THE PARKING STALLS THAT ARE AVAILABLE ARE DOWN AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT AS, THEY'RE NOT AS, UM, ATTRACTIVE AS EVERYONE WANTS TO PARK UP THERE.
BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO WALK A LITTLE FURTHER.
I THOUGHT THAT PART OF THE IMPETUS TO THIS, AND YOU GUYS COMING INTO THE LIGHT AND TRYING TO MAKE THIS LEGALLY CONFORMING WAS THAT YOU'VE GOT A PROSPECTIVE TENANT THAT WANTS TO OPEN A RESTAURANT AND NEEDS, YOU NEED PARKING.
YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE VALIDATE THAT YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH PARKING.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY REDUCING THE NET AMOUNT OF PARKING WITH THIS PROPOSAL? WE CANNOT COUNT ANY OF THE PARKING IN THIS LOT.
SO NO MATTER HOW MANY CARS THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIT IN THERE, WE CANNOT COUNT IT AS FOR MEETING THEIR MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
AND I BELIEVE ONCE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT ONE OF THE SPEAKERS RAISED WAS THE ACCESS BEING BLOCKED WITH THE ACTUAL STRIPING OF THE PARKING LOT.
YOU'RE GONNA GET A STRIPED LANE WHERE, SO YOU'RE GONNA PREVENT PEOPLE FROM PARKING IN THAT AREA.
AND ONCE YOU PUT IN DRY VIALS AND THAT SORT OF THING, YOU'RE, UM, ONE OF THE BENEFITS TO IT BEING AN EMPLOYEE LOT IS THAT WE DO ALLOW SOME TANDEM SPACES BECAUSE YOU CAN COORDINATE WITH YOUR COWORKERS AS TO WHO'S PARKING BEHIND WHO.
BUT ONCE YOU START OVERLAYING ACTUAL PARKING DIMENSIONS ON IT, YOU, THEY'RE LIKELY GONNA BE AT A LOWER PARKING NUMBER THAN YOU COULD IF YOU JUST STACKED THEM ALL IN.
IF YOU TOOK ALL OF THE USE RIGHT NOW FROM THE MERCHANTS AND THE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE THERE, IS THE EXISTING PARKING CONFORMING TO OUR LDC OR IS THERE LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING BECAUSE OF WHATEVER? I MEAN, WE'VE GOT LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING IN VARIOUS PLACES AROUND TOWN.
IS THERE ALREADY LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING HAPPENING AT HILLSIDE? SO IN THIS LOT THERE IS.
SO I, SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT BASED ON THE PLACES THAT WE CAN LEGALLY COUNT, THEY HAVE ENOUGH SPACES FOR THE CURRENT USES ON THE PROPERTY, BUT THEY CANNOT CONVERT ANY OF THOSE SPACES TO A RESTAURANT BECAUSE THAT REQUIRES MORE PARKING AND
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THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MORE LEGAL PARKING ON THE PROPERTY.SO I'D LIKE TO TAG ONTO WHAT, AND GO BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BUSES.
SO MULTIPLE TIMES DURING THIS PRESENTATION YOU SAID EMPLOYEE PARKING.
EMPLOYEE PARKING, EMPLOYEE PARKING.
AND THEN YOU CAME UP WITH, WELL, A BUS WHEN NEEDED IF IT CAN BE COORDINATED.
WELL THAT'S LIKE COUNCILOR FOLTZ SAID IT'S, THAT'S NOT EMPLOYEE PARKING.
BUT ALSO WHERE ARE YOU PARKING THE BUSES NOW IN THAT LOT? THEY ARE IN THAT LOT.
SO IF, AND THE A WOMAN WHO SPOKE FROM HALINA CANTINA, SHE SAID SHE CAN FILL THAT LOT WITH JUST HER EMPLOYEES.
IF THOSE EMPLOYEES ARE PARKING THERE ON A PARTICULAR DAY, BUT YOU HAVE A BUS COMING IN, WHERE DO YOU PUT THE BUS? WE WOULD COORDINATE ON THE LOWER LEVEL.
I WOULD LIKE TO RESCIND MY COMMENT ABOUT OPENING UP THE LOT.
WELL, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT.
UM, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE WERE GONNA DEED RESTRICT IT AND WE WERE GOING TO, IF WE, IF WE HAD MOVED FORWARD FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING AND IT TURNED OUT YOU HAD BUSES PARKED THERE AND WE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD EVER KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT CERTAINLY WE WOULD GET PHONE CALLS I'M SURE.
BUT WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW THE USAGE.
SO BRIAN, YOU WANNA CONTINUE? I DO ACTUALLY.
UM, MR. BURST SAID THAT HIS UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT, UH, P AND Z REQUIRED AGREEMENT FROM THE TWO AFFECTED, UH, RESIDENTS.
IS IT CARRIE, IS THAT CORRECT? FOR THE GATE? YES.
SO WE DON'T HAVE AGREEMENT ON THAT IS WHAT, IS WHAT MR. BURST IS SAYING.
SO THIS DOESN'T MEET THE CONDITIONS THAT P AND Z CORRECT.
THIS SHOULDN'T EVEN BE IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW.
I THINK YOU HAVE UH, I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS AND IF THAT'S OKAY, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME, I'M JUST FAMILIAR WITH THE CON NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CONFIGURATION ON HOW YOU HAVE ROYAL GLEN LANE GOES INTO A PARKING LOT, IT TERMINATES IN THE PARKING LOT AND THEN IT COMES OUT ON A ROYAL SCENE DRIVE.
AND THAT, WHICH GOES TO A PARKING LOT.
HOW WAS THAT REALLY? THIS IS WAY BEFORE ANY TYPE OF WAS THIS COUNTY BEFORE? I WOULD IMAGINE YOU'RE ASKING HOW IT DEVELOPED THAT WAY? YEAH.
DO YOU KNOW? SO I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT ROYAL GLEN WAS THERE BEFORE HILLSIDE.
UM, THERE WAS AN EASEMENT THAT WAS SHOWN ON RECORDS THAT IT WENT THROUGH THE HILLSIDE, UM, DEVELOPMENT.
AND WHEN HILLSIDE WAS DEVELOPED, THE EASEMENT FOR ROYAL GLEN WAS MOVED THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
UM, AND A ROYAL SIENNA IS A PRIVATE, UH, A PRIVATE ROAD.
AND SO THEY WERE ABLE TO PUT A GATE UP AND ROYAL GLEN WOULD BE ALSO A PRIVATE ROAD? CORRECT.
UH, I WAS JUST JUST GOING TO ASK IF WE COULD TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL, IF THERE'S ANY SUPPORT FOR THAT UNTIL IT CAN BE MET WITH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CONDITIONS HAVE OF COURSE.
ACTUALLY, MAYOR, THAT'S THE QUESTION I WAS GONNA RAISE.
WELL, HE DID, BUT I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE TIMING.
IT SEEMS AS THOUGH IF I MAY, I'M SORRY.
UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND I, AND I I THINK YOU NEED MORE PARKING THERE AND I WANT US TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH THE LACK OF PARKING THERE.
AND I THINK THAT THERE'S GENERALLY SUPPORT FOR APPLICATION.
UH, THERE CERTAINLY WAS FROM STAFF FROM P AND Z.
WHAT I'M HEARING UP HERE, I THINK THE, THE, I THINK FOR ME THE QUESTION IS THOUGH THAT THINGS THAT WERE PRESENTED IS THAT THERE'S AGREEMENT ON, THERE'S NOT AGREEMENT ON, SO I, WHAT I'M ASKING OUR STAFF IS, IS THERE TIME ON THIS TO LET THE PARTIES GO BACK, GET ON THE SAME PAGE AND, AND BRING THIS FORWARD? BECAUSE THIS, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT.
IT'S, IT'S HOW TO MANAGE THAT PARKING, UM, THE WAY, THE LOCATION OF THE GATE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A, UM, AGREEMENT AND WHETHER OR NOT TREES SHOULD BE LARGER THAT ARE PLANTED.
I MEAN, SO I I I JUST, THERE JUST SEEMS TO BE THAT THESE THINGS ARE UNRESOLVED.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I FELT FEEL
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THAT THIS WAS READY TO COME FORWARD.SO CARRIE YES, IF YOU WOULD SPEAK TO THAT PLEASE.
SO TO CLARIFY, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WAS NOT THAT EVERYBODY AGREE ON THE GATE, IT'S THAT THE GATE BE INSTALLED IF EVERYBODY AGREED.
AND SO, SO IT WASN'T CONTINGENT ON THE GATE, RIGHT? IT WAS IF EVERYBODY AGREES TO THIS, THEN THEY'LL DO IT.
IF EVERYBODY DOESN'T AGREE, THEN THEY WON'T.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER CONDITION, WHICH WAS REPRESENTED BY NUMBER 11, WHICH MEGAN STATE, YOU KNOW, HAD UP THERE, WAS THAT THERE WASN'T ANY EXPECTATION OF A RESULT.
AND THAT'S WHY THE GATE WAS PROPOSED AS A SPECIFIC ITEM.
BUT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE ASKING THE APPLICANT TO GO BACK AND TALK TO THE TWO OWN THE TWO AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS AND SEE WHAT ELSE THEY COULD DO.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE APPLICANT COULD TALK ABOUT WHAT CONVERSATIONS HE HAD WITH THOSE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS.
BUT IT WASN'T A SPECIFIC OUTCOME THAT WAS EXPECTED, WAS THE SENSE THAT I GOT FROM PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DURING THE MEETING.
C CARRIE, CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE GATE? BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT READS HERE.
IT READS THAT THE COMMISSION ADDED A, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL CONSTRUCT THE GATE.
I MEAN THAT HAD, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE LANGUAGE SAYS, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY ALL AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS.
BUT THAT READS THAT THEY ARE, THEY NEED TO PUT IN A GATE THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO AGREE TO THAT THAT'S, I'M READING IT, BUT IF EVERYBODY DOESN'T AGREE, THEN THEY WON'T PUT THE GATE IN.
BUT THINK THAT'S WHAT CARRIE'S SAYING.
BUT THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL IS SHALL CONSTRUCT A GATE THAT IS THE LANGUAGE OF THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
IT'S SHALL CON, I MEAN THE SHALL CONSTRUCT A GATE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY ALL AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO THAT IF NOT ALL AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS APPROVED, THEN THEY WOULDN'T, IT WAS THE ATTENTION.
THIS MAY BE A GRAMMAR ISSUE, BUT IT'S A GRAMMAR ISSUE THAT CLOGS US UP.
VICE MAYOR, UH, THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT.
DO YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH WHAT MR. BURRS SAID? UM, SO I THINK IT'S A LOGICAL ISSUE.
UM, I WANTED TO TOUCH ON TWO THINGS.
FIRST OFF, MY ATTEMPTS AT COMMUNICATION.
I HAD SCHEDULED A CONFERENCE CALL WITH HIS ATTORNEY, MR. LUMPKIN FOR LATE AUGUST.
UM, I SENT AN EMAIL ASKING SHOULD MR. BURST BE ON THIS CALL? UM, MR. LUMPKIN'S OFFICE SAID IT'S NOT NECESSARY AT THIS TIME.
AND THEN I WAS ON THE CALL AND MR. LUMPKIN NEVER ATTENDED THE CALL.
SO I FOLLOWED UP THE NEXT MORNING AND I SAID, PLEASE GIMME ANOTHER TIME TO RESCHEDULE.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE CONTEXT THERE.
UM, AND THEN SECONDLY, LOGICALLY WHERE THE BOOM GATE LIFT IS, THAT IS TO PREVENT THE ORIGINAL COMPLAINT WAS FOR NOISE, RIGHT? UM, THE BOOM GIFT, THE BOOM LIFT GATE LOCATION WOULD PREVENT ANY OF THE SO-CALLED RIFFRAFF FROM GETTING CLOSER TO HIS HOUSE, UM, NOT KEEPING CARS FROM GETTING INTO THE PARKING LOT.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD PREVENT THEM FROM, IT WOULD PREVENT CARS FROM GETTING INTO THE PARKING LOT.
YES, YOU CAN STILL WALK AROUND A BOOM, UH, BOOM GATE.
UM, HIS LOCATION, IT JUST LOGICALLY IT DOESN'T MAKE VERY MUCH SENSE CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALREADY TWO GATES AT THE TOP OF ROYAL GAME LANE, WHICH IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND, I HAVE FURTHER EXHIBITS.
SO THIS IS COMING FROM ROYAL SIENNA RIGHT HERE.
AND THIS WOULD BE HIS PROPERTY.
AND IF I CAN DO IT ONE MORE, THIS IS WHERE HE IS PROPOSING THE OTHER GATES.
SO THAT DOESN'T REALLY LOGICALLY PREVENT MUCH RIFFRAFF.
UM, I THINK MS. JACKSON'S GATE PROPOSAL IS A MUCH BETTER LOCATION.
WOULD YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION TO AN ADDITIONAL GATE? UH, FIRE MARSHAL RIDDLE DID.
UM, HE BELIEVED THAT IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS IT WOULD SLOW DOWN RESPONSE TIME.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE TREES, UH, THAT WERE MENTIONED? YOU MENTIONED WHATEVER SIZE TREES HE'S SAYING SAPLINGS.
CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY WHAT KIND OF TREES ARE PUT IN WITH THE SIZE OF THE BALL OR, OR, UM, SO IF I CAN GO BACK TO THE AERIAL.
SO MR. BURST WOULD LIKE VISIBILITY, UM, WOULD LIKE THE VISIBILITY TO BE PROTECTED FOR
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THIS LOWER LOT DOWN HERE.UH, IN THE EVENT THAT HE WOULD SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE INSTALL A POOL DOWN THERE OR INSTALL A PICKLEBALL COURT, UM, HE REQUESTED 25 FOOT TREES.
THERE ARE SOME LOGISTICAL ASPECTS WITH THAT.
YOU CAN'T JUST GO TO A NURSERY AND PICK UP A 25 FOOT TREE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE FIGURED WE WOULD MEET IN THE MIDDLE AND GIVE HIM SOME YOUNGER CODE COMPLIANT TREES, UM, NO MORE THAN 10 FEET.
AND MAYBE BY THE TIME THAT THOSE GROW, UM, HIS LOT WILL BE DEVELOPED.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE DAIS? DO YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS? IT'S A QUESTION I'M POSING TO THE COUNCIL OR DO YOU WANNA PUT ON HOLD AND SEND IT BACK TO EITHER P AND Z OR TO STAFF P AND Z? I WOULD THINK MM-HMM
CARRIE, DO YOU WANNA OPINE ON THAT? I MEAN, I WOULD NEED DIRECTION ON WHAT, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR IF YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE IT OR SEND IT BACK TO PNC.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THERE WAS A ISSUE OF EMPLOYEES ONLY, NOT EMPLOYEES ONLY ALLOWING A BUS HERE AND THERE IF IT'S SCHEDULED.
KURT, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? I, NOPE, JUST PULLING THE MIC.
UH, AND I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE CLARIFIED AS COUNSEL, YOU'RE WELCOME TO MODIFY THE CONDITIONS AS WELL.
AND, AND THE APPLICANT'S ALREADY PROPOSED THAT, UH, AND IN FACT IT SOUNDS HE INTENDED TO HAVE THAT IN THE PACKET, BUT WE JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE TWO DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL.
BUT I THOUGHT HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HE'S CHANGING HIS MIND AS FAR AS JUST EMPLOYEES.
WELL, SO HE, I THINK HE JUST MISSPOKE, MISSPOKE TODAY WHEN HE SAID THE BUSES COULD PARK UP THERE AND HE INTENDED THAT.
THAT'S WHAT YOU MISSPOKE ABOUT.
HE RETRACTED THAT IRIS INTO THAT.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU RESCINDED THAT OR IF WENDED THE EMPLOYEE ONLY.
BRIAN, DO YOU WANT TO TALK? THANK YOU MAYOR.
I, I WAS WONDERING, UH, COUNCILOR KINSELLA, IF EARLIER YOU WERE SORT OF GOING TOWARDS, HEY, UH, DID WE PUT A PAUSE ON THIS AT THE MOMENT? HAVE THE AFFECTED PARTIES GO OUTSIDE AND NEGOTIATE SOMETHING AND COME BACK IN HERE AND WE TRY TO GET THIS FINISHED TONIGHT? WAS IT, THAT'S CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY.
I MEAN, I'M OPEN TO THAT KNOW POSSIBILITY AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO REVERT IT BACK AT THIS POINT.
I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA.
WE DO HAVE ONE MORE ITEM, ONE LAST ITEM THAT WE WILL TAKE SOME TIME.
DO WE HAVE WILLING PARTIES? WHAT'S THAT? DO WE HAVE WILLING PARTIES? THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO THAT? UH, I'M, I'M WILLING.
HOPEFULLY YOU CAN COME TO A CONSENSUS.
MR. BURT AND YOUR ATTORNEY, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GO INTO THE LOBBY AND SIT DOWN PEACEFULLY AND HAVE A, A DISCUSSION AND MAYBE YOU CAN COME BACK WITH SOMETHING WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH TONIGHT? MAY I ASK, UH, MELISSA, MR. HEAND, ARE YOU ACTUALLY IN A POSITION TO AGREE TO ANYTHING OR DO YOU NEED TO GET APPROVAL FROM OTHER PERSONS AS WELL? I'M IN A POSITION TO AGREE, HOWEVER, I WOULD HAVE CONCERN THAT FIRE MARSHAL RIDDLE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SECOND GATE, UM, I DO BELIEVE FIRE MARSHAL RIDDLE IS AGAINST THAT.
WELL THEN THAT COULD BE NOT DISCUSSED AND THAT FOR THAT PARTICULAR REASON.
SO, BUT ANYTHING ELSE, THE TREES OR WHATEVER ELSE, WOULD THAT APPLY TO THE PLACEMENT OF A FIRST GATE? IF THE LOCATION OF A GATE WAS MOVED, DO YOU THINK THE SAME CONCERN WOULD EXIST? UM, I THINK IT ELIMINATES THE PURPOSE OF A GATE.
IF YOU HAVE AN EMPLOYEE ONLY SIGN, UH, THAT'S NOT GONNA PREVENT PEOPLE FROM PARKING ON THAT LOT.
UM, IF THEY HAVE ACCESS TO IT, THEY WILL LIKELY PARK ON THAT LOT.
DOESN'T EVERYBODY ALWAYS AB OBEY, UM, PARKING SIGNS? OH YEAH.
SO, SO JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE WHERE THE GATE IS CURRENTLY BEING PROPOSED BY YOU, UM, IS AT THE FRONT OF THE PARKING AREA.
SO IN ORDER TO GET INTO THE PARKING AREA, PROPOSED PARKING AREA MM-HMM
THEY WILL NEED TO HAVE THE CODE AND PUT IN THE CODE.
THE GATE WILL LIFT, THEY CAN MOVE IN, BUT THERE'S NOTHING BEHIND IT TOWARDS WHERE THAT ROAD IS THAT WE SAW EARLIER.
THE PROPOSAL OF THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL MR. BURST, IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT GATE THERE, BUT YOU HAVE IT AT THE WHAT IN ESSENCE IS THE BACK OF THE PARKING LOT.
UM, AND, AND SO IT SEEMS TO ME MAKING IT VERY CLEAR, IF YOU MOVE THAT GATE TO THE BACK OF THE PARKING LOT, UM, IT, IT DOESN'T EFFECTIVELY MAKE IT AN EMPLOYEE ONLY LOT.
AND IT SHOULD BE AS EFFECTIVE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM DRIVING THROUGH AND GETTING TOWARDS HIS LAND AS HE WAS SAYING.
'CAUSE WHETHER IT'S AT THE FRONT OF THE LOT OR THE BACK OF THE LOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GO
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ANY FURTHER THAN WHEREVER THAT GATE IS, IF I'M MAKING SENSE.SO THAT SHOULD KEEP THOSE PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO ARE WALKING WHO ARE DRUNK, YOU'RE NOT KEEPING THEM OUT AT ANYTHING AT ANY TIME.
THEY'RE GOING TO WALK AROUND GATES, THEY'RE GONNA CLIMB OVER GATES, THEY'RE GONNA WALK THROUGH THE TREES, THEY'RE GONNA WALK OVER TO CLIMB OVER A FENCE, WHATEVER IT IS THEY'RE GONNA DO.
UM, SO IT JUST FEELS LIKE THAT'S IRRELEVANT.
THE OTHER POINT I'D LIKE TO SORT OF BRING UP, IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO PEOPLE ABOUT THE GATE IS BEFORE YOU BRING UP THE OTHER POINT.
I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT GATE FOR A SECOND.
PEOPLE PARK THERE NOW MM-HMM
THEY'RE DISTURBING THE PROPERTIES THERE NOW.
SO ISN'T THIS A BENEFIT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO HAVE A GATE? WELL, BUT THEY CAN STILL WALK AROUND THE GATE.
BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO GATE AND THEY'RE WALKING THERE IF THEY WANT TO.
AND AND MY POINT WAS, IF YOU PUT THE GATE AT THE BACK OF THE PROPOSED LOT, IT NO LONGER IS AN EMPLOYEE ONLY PROPOSED LOT.
IT'S JUST A LOT WITH A FENCE AT THE VERY BACK OF IT, OR A GATE AT THE VERY BACK OF IT.
THAT GATE SHOULD BE, ASSUMING IT'S PROPORTIONALLY THE SAME, SHOULD BE A BLOCKADE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM DRIVING THEIR VEHICLES UP INTO MR. BURT'S PROPERTY, WHICH WE SEE AS A BENEFIT.
THEN THE SECOND POINT IS ABOUT TREES VERSUS A FENCE.
SO WHAT I HEARD WAS FOUR FOOT FENCE OR 10 FOOT TREES.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE CAN GO THROUGH 10 FOOT TREES.
I MEAN, YOU CAN WALK THROUGH THEIR, THEIR WHATEVER, BUT IF THIS IS ABOUT VISIBILITY, THEN A FOUR FOOT FENCE IS NOT GONNA GIVE YOU AS MUCH PRIVACY AS 10 FOOT TREES.
SO I, I THINK THAT TO ME THAT'S A POINT OF CONTENTION THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT.
ARE YOU LOOKING FOR PRIVACY? ARE YOU LOOKING TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT? UM, AND THAT'S, THERE'S A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
SO I I, I PERSONALLY WOULD SAY THAT HAVE AT IT WITH THE GATE, BUT THE GATE BEING WHERE IT IS ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL IS ABOUT MAKING THIS AN EMPLOYEE ONLY LAW, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING TO ALSO MAKE SURE HE HAS A DEED RESTRICTION ON.
AND THE OTHER IS A DECISION THAT YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE TO MAKE, IN MY OPINION.
IT, IT DOES AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT ALSO WHAT MR. HAMMERHAN SAYING, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT HERE.
IF THE FIRE MARSHAL'S SAYING, MOVING THE GATE TO WHERE MR. BURST WANTS IT WOULD BE A FIRE ISSUE, TWO GATES, TWO GATES, TWO GATES WOULD BE WHERE MR. OW WOULD OKAY.
THE TWO GATES IS WHAT HE HAD AN ISSUE WITH.
UM, BUT I JUST, I JUST DON'T SEE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF A GATE AT THE BACKSIDE OF THAT EMPLOYEE ONLY LOT.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT THE, DURING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, THEY PUT IN THE CONDITION BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, UH, MR. HARAN AGREED TO PUT THE GATE WHERE HE IS PROPOSING IT NOW BECAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE IT EMPLOYEE ONLY PARKING.
SO THAT IS WHY CONDITION FOUR WAS PUT IN, WAS TO ENSURE THAT IT IS EMPLOYEE ONLY PARKING.
AND I DO BELIEVE THAT, UM, FRANCIS WHO LIVES AT 100, ROYAL GLEN WAS IN AGREEANCE WITH THAT BECAUSE SHE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WITH SIDE BYSIDE AND THINGS LIKE THAT WEREN'T ABLE TO GET IN THERE BECAUSE THAT, THAT WAS HER CONCERN.
IF YOU DID THE TREES AND A FENCE, WOULD THAT BE BEYOND, WOULD, WOULD IT HURT THE PROJECT OR WOULD IT JUST HELP, UH, MR. BURST, I MEAN, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS TO MOVE FORWARD, KEEPING THE, THE GATE WHERE IT IS MM-HMM.
KEEPING THE FENCE SO SIDE BY SIDE CAN'T GET AROUND.
PEOPLE CAN'T, IT'S ONE WAY OF KEEPING PEOPLE FROM WALKING UP THERE, BUT THEY COULD STILL EVEN GO AROUND THAT TOO.
BUT IT'S ONE STEP MORE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM WALKING UP THERE.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE USED TO WALKING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY ALL THE TIME, REGARDLESS OF FENCES.
SO, BUT IT WOULD BE ONE WAY OF HELPING TO MITIGATE, I'D BE WILLING TO DO THE, UH, 10 FOOT TREES IN ADDITION TO A FOUR FOOT WOODEN FENCE.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT HAS THE SAME PRACTICAL, PRACTICAL EFFECT AS A FOUR FOOT BLOCK.
HE DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR HIM SAY BLOCK WALL, BUT EVEN IF HE DID A POST IN RAIL, SOMETHING THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
UM, BUT HIS, HIS REQUEST WAS FOR A DEC OR A DECORATIVE RED ROCK.
I COULD SEE THE EXPENSE THERE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I JUST HEARD HIM SAY FROM
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NO, IT'S NOT WHAT I HEARD.FROM WHAT THE PODIUM HE SAID A WOOD FOUR FOOT WOOD FENCE.
SO POST AND RAIL WOULD BE AGREEMENT? ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK THEY'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT WOOD.
THAT'S POST AND RAIL WOULD BE WOOD.
WELL, NO, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE TALKING LIKE A PICKET, RIGHT? HE, THAT HE'S PROPOSING PICKET, BUT, SO MAYBE AT THIS POINT INSTEAD US TRYING TO DESIGN IT, WE CAN ASK THE INDIVIDUALS, WHY DON'T YOU STEP THAT SIDE? GO SEE IF THEY COULD SOLVE THE ISSUE AROUND THE TREES AND, AND, AND THE FENCE.
I MIGHT SUGGEST HERE THAT ALTHOUGH WE HAVE ANOTHER ITEM ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE MIGHT SET A TIME LIMIT FOR THE NEGOTIATION YES.
TO BE DONE BY THE TIME OUR NEXT ITEM IS DONE
IF THEY'RE GONNA GO AND TALK ABOUT THE FENCE AND TREES, UM, ONE CONCERN IS THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, THE, ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE GATE, THE OTHER AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT HERE, WHICH WAS THE OPPOSITE ISSUE THAT WAS HAD AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
SO WE CAN CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE IN THAT CONDITION TO REFLECT THAT BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS NEED TO APPROVE.
AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN THE GATE DOESN'T GET INSTALLED.
WHAT ABOUT THE FENCE? DO THEY BOTH NEED TO, DID I SPEAK TO THE GATE QUESTION? YEAH.
JUST THAT SHE JUST RAISED MM-HMM.
BUT THE CLARIFICATION OF THE LANGUAGE IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND ALSO, BUT I AM CONVINCED FOR ONE, THAT THE GATE LOCATION SHOULD STAY AS IT IS PROPOSED.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU AREN'T OUT THERE NEGOTIATING SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL WANTS NEGOTIATED.
LEAVE THE, LEAVE THE GATE WHERE IT IS BECAUSE IT KEEPS IT FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING ONLY.
BUT I'M JUST LOOKING TO NEGOTIATE AS FAR AS SOME TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, POST AND RAIL FENCE IF IT WAS PICKET.
I THINK PICKET IS, IS LIKE JUST A WALL POST AND RAIL WILL KEEP PEOPLE OUT.
AND ALSO LET ANIMALS TRANSVERSE IN AS, YOU KNOW.
QUESTION, QUESTION FOR YOU, UH, CARRIE, WAS THE CONDITION FROM THE COMMISSION, UH, WAS IT TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON THE LANDSCAPING? UH, OR WAS IT JUST A, UM, DISCUSS WITH THE NEIGHBORS? IT, THERE WAS NO SPECIFIC EXPECTED OUTCOME OTHER THAN THE GATE.
SO ANYTHING ELSE WAS JUST A DISCUSSION WITH JUST THE HOPE THAT THEY, THAT THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBORS COULD WORK TOGETHER.
WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH, THEY'RE GONNA DISCUSS.
BUT I, I, I'M CONCERNED THAT FRAN JACKSON IS NOT HERE.
SHE EVER SPECIFY ANY PREFERENCE FOR THE MATERIALS OF A GATE? UH, YES.
FRAN IS IN COMPLETE AGREEMENTS.
I'VE, I'VE BEEN TEXTING WITH HER ALL DAY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY SHE'S IN THE HOSPITAL.
STUCK, UH, IT, IT WAS LIKE AN EYE HERE AND THROAT DOCTOR UP IN FLAGSTAFF.
ACTUALLY PROBABLY SHOULDN'T TALK ABOUT SOMEONE'S MEDICAL CONDITIONS.
I MEAN, IS THERE, IF YOU MAKE AN AGREEMENT THAT VARIES FROM WHAT IT SHE KNOWS HAS BEEN PROPOSED, IS THERE A WAY TO CONTACT HER? UM, YEAH, I CAN CERTAINLY CONTACT HER.
UM, I DON'T THINK THE LANDSCAPING OR THE GATE, OR I'M SORRY, THE LANDSCAPING OR THE FENCE AFFECTS HER.
THAT WOULD BE ON MR. BURT'S PROPERTY AND, WELL, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT GATE ON MR. SO I WOULD PROPOSE TO CHANGE CONDITION FOUR TO PROPERTY OWNER SHALL CONSTRUCT A GATE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE SOUTH TO CONTROL ACCESS TO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IF APPROVED BY ALL PROPERTY OWNERS, IF AFFECTED PROPERTY OWN.
AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH LDC AND FIRE DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS, IF THE AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS OR THE FIRE DISTRICT DOES NOT APPROVE INSTALLATION OF GATES CONDITION AS NULL AND VOID, THAT WOULD MAYBE ADDRESS COUNSELOR ELLA'S CONCERNS OR WE CAN WORDSMITH THAT FURTHER IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
NO, I, I I THINK IT GATES IMPERATIVE.
WE WANT IT TO BE AN EMPLOYEE ONLY PARKING LOT, SO THERE HAS TO BE A GATE THERE.
I MEAN, WE COULD MAKE THAT CONDITION OURSELVES.
AND I, AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT A CONDITION THAT THAT EMPLOYEE ONLY GATE AT THE FRONT OF THIS PROPOSED PARKING LOT BE THERE IN A WAY THAT MAKES SURE THAT IT IS EMPLOYEE ONLY, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAD HEARD EARLIER DURING THIS RECITAL.
UM, AND WE'RE DOWN TO TWO PIECES THAT I THOUGHT WERE PART OF SOME CONDITION SOMEWHERE, LIKE THE TREES.
'CAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT PLANTING THE TREES.
UM, AND THAT SEEMS TO BE A POINT OF, OF DISAGREEMENT OR WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A FENCE.
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THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH P AND Z'S, UM, APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL.SHE CAN'T OPINE WITHOUT THE REST OF THE COMMISSION.
IT'S NOT, UM, SHE COULD ANSWER A QUESTION.
UM, I'M A AT A STALEMATE OF WHERE, WHERE WE'RE GOING NOW.
SO, UM, I'M JUST LOOKING, I, I THINK, WELL, IF WE ALL ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE ARE INSTITUTING OR SUPPORTING THE GATE REMAIN WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE, THEN THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA BE.
IF THEY WANNA DISCUSS DOING A POST RAIL FENCE OR WHATEVER, OR WHATEVER, I'LL COME UP WITH WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO, BUT NOT A BLOCK WALL.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, IF YOU WANNA GO IN AND NEGOTIATE THAT, FINE.
IF YOU DON'T WANNA NEGOTIATE THAT, THEN WE WILL JUST, UH, THEN THERE WON'T BE A FENCE.
SIR, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE ALREADY IN AGREEMENT TO A FOUR FOOT FENCE IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING ELSE.
ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT TO A FOUR FOOT FENCE TO EVERYTHING ELSE? YES.
A WHAT? FENCE? COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE.
A SOLID FENCE FOR AESTHETICS TO BLOCK OUT THE VIEW OF THE PARKING LOT FROM THE LOWER BLOCK.
FOUR FOOT PICKET FENCE? UH, YES.
IS THAT, IS THAT LIKE 12 INCH, UH, LIKE 12 INCH SLATS GOING ACROSS? NO, THEY'RE USUALLY SIX, SIX INCH SLATS.
ABSOLUTE 80 FOOT, FOUR FOOT HIGH SOLD ADDITIONAL TREES WOULD BE FINE, BUT YOU NEED MORE THAN EIGHT.
I'M HEARING AGREEMENT ON THE FENCE AND I'M HEARING AGREEMENT ON THE TREES AND I'M HEARING AGREEMENT.
NO, I DON'T HEAR AGREEMENT ON THE TREES.
I HAVEN'T HEARD AGREEMENT ON THE TREES.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE MEMORIAL FOR MY INGRESS AND EGRESS THAT THEY ALWAYS BLOCKED AT MY, OKAY, NOW YOU SEE, NOW YOU, NO, WE MENTIONED THAT THIS ISN'T THE WAY THIS WORKS.
SO DOESN'T WORK THIS WAY IF YOU KNOW, NOW YOU'RE ASKING FOR MORE THINGS.
OH, THAT'S ONE OF MY FOUR CONDITIONS FROM INITIALLY.
OKAY, THEN WHY DON'T WE TABLE THIS AND, UH, LET IT GO BACK TO P AND Z.
SO I CAN ACTUALLY START FROM THE VERY BEGINNING SINCE I WAS, UH, OUT OF THE PROCESS FROM BEGINNING AND ADEQUATELY INFORMED MR. MAYOR AND COUNSEL THAT, SO YEAH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE A PRIVATE AGREEMENT THAT I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND.
THE CITY'S NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
SOUNDS LIKE YOUR COUNSEL'S THERE WITH THE GATE IN THE CURRENT LOCATION, UH, FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING.
UH, EIGHT TREES AND THE FENCE.
FOUR FOOT PICKET FENCE, FOUR PICKET, 80 FOOT 80 FOOT OR WHATEVER IT IS.
IF COUNCIL WANTS TO TAKE A BREAK, WE COULD UPDATE THE, THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
THEY BRING THAT BACK AND, AND I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT THAT WILL BE ALWAYS EMPLOYEE PARKING ONLY.
I MEAN, WHETHER YOU PUT A GATE UP, A BUMP GATE AT THE BEGINNING OR NOT.
BECAUSE WHAT ARE THE RETAIL SHOPS GONNA SAY WHEN THE OVERFLOW PARKING? THE BUSES WANT TO COME? ARE THEY GOING TO, IS MR. MR. BURT, MR. BUR, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK.
YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT AS FAR AS HOW THE APPLICANT'S ALREADY SAID, EMPLOYEE PARKING, NO BUSES, THAT'S WHAT THE GATE'S FOR.
THEN WHERE ARE THOSE BUSES GONNA PARK? THEY'RE GONNA, IT'S NOT REALLY RELEVANT MR. BUR, TO THIS CONVERSATION, THIS CONVERSATION IS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW EMPLOYEES.
I CAN COME BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND HAVE IT RENEGED.
WE ARE TAKING A JOE 10 MINUTE BREAK.
YEAH, I THINK SOMETHING JUST POPPED.
OKAY, MR. HANRAHAN, DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS? WERE YOU ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF A DECISION WITH ON THE FENCE? UM, YES.
WE ARE WILLING TO INSTALL A FOUR FOOT WOODEN FENCE, UH, APPROXIMATELY 80 FEET LONG.
SO THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES ARE ON THE SCREEN.
UM, CHANGE WOULD BE, CONDITION TWO WOULD BE AMENDED TO REFERENCE DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND EMPLOYEE ONLY PARKING.
UM, YOU SCROLL DOWN, UM, CONDITION FIVE THREE WOULD BE AMENDED TO ADD IN EMPLOYEE ONLY PARKING TO THE REQUIRED THE ALREADY REQUIRED DEED RESTRICTION ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAVE MUCH SHORT TERM RENTALS IF IT'S ONLY EMPLOYEE ONLY PARKING, BUT WE'RE JUST GONNA INCLUDE THEM BOTH.
AND THEN, UM, THE TREES WERE ALREADY COMMITTED TO, IN THEIR ADDENDUM TO THE LETTER OF INTENT.
UM, THEY HAVE, WE DID REVIEW THAT.
IT RE THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO CODE COMPLIANT
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NATIVE SPECIES, A CODE COMPLIANT TREE AS A MINIMUM OF EIGHT FEET TALL AT PLANTING.AND THEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF TREES ON THE NATIVE LIST.
UM, AND THEN ADDING IN THAT THEY ARE COMMITTING TO INSTALLING AN APPROXIMATELY 80 FOOT LONG FLOOR FOOT TALL WOODEN FENCE ON THAT PARCEL.
AND WOULD THAT STOCKADE, UH, OR IS THAT POSTED RAIL? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
WHICHEVER YOU DECIDED ON, UM, THAT IT'D BE I WOODEN FENCE.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COUNCIL? OKAY.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? YEAH, I'M TRYING TO GET THERE.
YOU HAVE IT? I I, I HAVE IT IN MELISSA.
HAVE IT DAY LATE THAT DOLLAR SHORT.
KATHY, WHAT'S THAT? DOES THE PROPOSED MOTION NEED ANY MODIFICATIONS? YES, AS AS AMENDED.
AND THAT'S RIGHT UP ON THE SCREENS.
IF YOU, DO YOU HAVE IT? IT'S SITTING IN FRONT OF ME.
I MOVE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 DASH NINE NINE REGARDING CASE NUMBER PZ TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 0 0 3 ZC HILLSIDE, SEDONA PARKING REZONE ZONING, THE PROPERTY IDENTIFIED HEREIN FROM ITS PRESENT DESIGNATION OF RS 18, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO CO COMMERCIAL BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, CONSISTENCY WITH SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN, TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN GOES SEDONA PATHWAYS PLAN, CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROVAL AS SPECIFIED IN LDC SECTIONS 8.3 AND 8.6, AND SATISFACTION OF THE ZONE CHANGE FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ACCOMPANYING EXHIBITS WHICH STAFF REPORT AND EXHIBITS ARE HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AS AMENDED.
CAN WE CHANGE THAT AS AND THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS AMENDED? UM, SO THE FINDINGS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS AMENDED? YES.
DO WE, UH, HAVE A DIS EXCUSE ME, DO YOU HAVE A SECOND THAT? THANK YOU.
I'M CHOKING ON MY, MY SANDWICH.
[8.b. AB 3261 Discussion/possible direction for citizen working group regarding ALPR policies.]
B, AB 32 61.DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION FOR A CITIZENS WORKING GROUP REGARDING A LPR POLICIES.
UM, THE CITY COUNCIL AT YOUR DISCUSSION AUGUST 13TH, ASKED STAFF TO DO A NUMBER OF FOLLOW-UP ITEMS RELATED TO THE AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READER SYSTEM.
UM, ONE OF THOSE ITEMS IS A PROPOSED WORKING GROUP.
UM, SINCE THAT MEETING, I UNDERSTAND AND I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS TOPIC.
UM, AND SO I WOULD, UM, ASK COUNSEL TO, UM, GIVE DIRECTION ON, UM, THIS WORKING GROUP ONLY IF THE COUNSEL IS INTERESTED IN PROCEEDING WITH THE, UM, CONTRACT WITH THIS COMPANY.
UM, AND ASK FOR YOUR DIRECTION AND GUIDANCE ON THAT AS WELL AS, UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH A WORKING GROUP IN A PILOT PROGRAM, THEN HAPPY TO DISCUSS, UM, WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE WITH YOU TONIGHT.
UH, TIME IS MONEY AS THEY SAY.
I REALLY DON'T WANT TO THROW GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD, SO I THINK WE SHOULD JUST SHUT THIS THING DOWN.
PUBLIC HAS TOLD US OVERWHELMINGLY THEY DON'T WANT THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE OFFERED TO SPEAK WITH SOME PEOPLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOME MIDDLE GROUND APPROACH, UH, THAT WOULD SATISFY YOU FEWER CAMERAS, LESS DATA RETENTION? AND THE OVERWHELMING RESPONSE HAS BEEN, NO, NO, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO THIS PROGRAM THAT'S GONNA MAKE IT ACCEPTABLE.
SO, UH, BASED ON THAT, I THINK I SAID WE JUST SHUT IT DOWN AND HAVE THE CAMERAS DOWN AS SOON AS WE CAN.
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QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ARE WE SKIPPING QUESTIONS? WE WERE ASKED TO, TO FIRST DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO ACTUALLY CANCEL THE CONTRACT AND MOVE FORWARD BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GO INTO THIS ITEM? I GET IT.I, I WROTE SOME STUFF AS I'VE BEEN PONDERING THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND, AND I SUPPOSE IT'S NOT THE PROCESS I ENVISION, BUT I, I, I WILL READ WHAT I WROTE
BUT I DID WANNA MAKE A COUPLE OF OF POINTS, UH, VERY SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT.
THIS WHOLE TOPIC DID BEGUN, UH, FOR US BY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO VIEWED THESE LICENSE PLATE READERS AS A MODERN POLICING TOOL.
AND I THINK SADLY THEY MISSED THE PUBLIC POLICY IMPLICATIONS THAT NORMALLY REQUIRE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN A MORE DEEPER COUNCIL CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
AND FOR ME TO BE SPECIFIC, THAT POLICY ISSUE AT HAND IS THE SHIFT FROM TRADITIONAL POLICING TOOLS WHERE WE FOCUS ON THE BAD GUYS TO STARTING TO GATHER AND STORE DATA ON INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO WERE NEVER SUSPECTED OF ANYTHING.
AND THAT, TO ME IS A POLICY ISSUE.
AND THAT IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER WE WANTED TO CHANGE OUR POLICY OR NOT.
SO IT WAS OUR PROCESS FAILED, AND I'M SORRY FOR THAT.
AND I DON'T, I SUSPECT THAT WE ALL HAVE LEARNED A LESSON ABOUT HOW TO THINK MORE BROADLY ABOUT WHAT POLICY ISSUES ARE.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT I BELIEVE APRS CAN BE A USEFUL POLICING TOOL, AND I WAS CONVINCED BY ARGUMENTS PRESENTED IN OUR LAST HEARING, AND THAT LEGALLY THEIR USE IS NOT A VIOLATION OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
AND I SUSPECT THAT SAY TWO YEARS AGO, IF WE WOULD'VE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE POLICY ISSUES AND TALKED ABOUT DATA RETENTION AND TALKED ABOUT DATA SHARING, AND PERHAPS PUT IT ONLY AT THE ENTRY AND EXIT POINTS OF OUR TOWN AND NOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE MIGHT BE AT A DIFFERENT POINT WITH THE USE OF THESE CAMERAS IN OUR TOWN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU LAYER ON THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF FEAR AND DOUBT AMONGST OUR PEOPLE ABOUT THE INTENTIONS AND DIRECTION OF OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE SEEMINGLY SCARY AND DANGEROUS DRIFT TOWARDS THE SURVEILLANCE STATE ENABLED BY RAPID TECHNOLOGY CHANGES AND, UH, AND ADVANCES.
SO I SAY THE TIME TO IMPLEMENT THIS PROGRAM IS NOT NOW.
UH, I WOULD PERSONALLY REVISIT MY THINKING ON THIS MATTER IF, YOU KNOW, AT OUR ANNUAL PRIORITY RETREATS OR SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE IF THINGS SHIFT.
BUT I THINK BIG THINGS WOULD HAVE TO SHIFT AND, UM, I DON'T FORESEE IT.
SO I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT A MOTION TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT WITH LOCK AND TO DROP THE IDEA OF THE CITIZENS WORK GROUP AT THIS TIME.
KATHY? YES, IT'S HIGHLY UNFORTUNATE, UM, THAT THIS DID NOT GO THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE BOTH THE POLICY QUESTIONS COULD HAVE BEEN VETTED.
AND IF WE WERE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND UP HERE, THERE PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN, UM, MORE OF A DELVE INTO THE BACKGROUND OF THE FLOCK COMPANY AS A PROVIDER.
UM, MY OWN CONCERNS ABOUT FLOCK HAVE ONLY CONTINUED TO GROW.
UM, FLOCK ITSELF RELEASED A AUGUST 25TH STATEMENT, UM, TRYING TO CLARIFY THEIR RELATIONSHIP.
I'M GONNA READ A PART OF THAT.
WHILE IT'S TRUE THAT FLOCK DOES NOT PRESENTLY HAVE A CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH ANY US DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY AGENCIES, WE HAVE ENGAGED IN LIMITED PILOTS WITH THE US CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION AND HOMELAND SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS TO ASSIST THOSE AGENCIES IN COMBATING HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND FENTANYL DISTRIBUTION.
WHILE I'M, THOSE ARE FINE GOALS THAT WAS ASKED, UM, COMPLETELY CONTRARY TO INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US IN QUESTIONS WITH THE COMPANY REPRESENTATIVE.
AND THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS THAT THOSE PILOT PROGRAMS, IT'S COME TO LIGHT THROUGH MANY MUNICIPALITIES NOW QUESTIONING THEIR RELATIONSHIPS WITH FLOCK THAT THE MUNICIPALITIES EVEN HAD ANY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING.
SO I AM, UM, VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THIS COMPANY AS A POTENTIAL VENDOR TO THE CITY OF SEDONA.
UM, I AM NOT SUPPORTIVE OF, OF CONTINUING WITH A, GOING DOWN THE ROAD TO LOOK INTO THIS.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE TIME IS, IS RIGHT AT ALL WITH DATA SECURITY ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, I WANNA SEE A MOTION THAT WE CANCELED THE CONTRACT AND REMOVE THE CAMERAS COMPLETELY FROM THE CITY OF SONSONA.
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YOU, BRIAN.UH, MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SPOKEN VERY ELOQUENTLY ON THIS AND I HAVE VERY LITTLE TO ADD.
SO, UM, SINCE, CERTAINLY SINCE THE MEETING THAT WE HAD HERE, UH, THE FLOCK REPRESENTATIVE, AS IT WOULD SEEM, WAS NOT AS FORTHCOMING, INFORMED, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, ABOUT WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON BETWEEN THE COMPANY AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, ET CETERA.
AND, UM, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH PROCEEDING ANY FURTHER.
SO AGAIN, I ECHO, UH, WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY SAID, WE SHOULD SHUT THIS THING DOWN, CANCEL THE CONTRACT AND GET THE CAMERAS OUT.
SO I'M GONNA KEEP IT PRETTY SIMPLE 'CAUSE I THINK EVERYONE'S BEEN PRETTY ELEGANT.
AND I WOULD JUST SAY AT THIS POINT IN OUR HISTORY, THE ONLY WAY FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT DATA IS NOT BROADLY SHARED OR ABUSED, IS TO NOT HAVE ANY.
AND SO THEREFORE, I AGREE, WE NEED TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT.
WE NEED TO REMOVE THE CAMERAS.
UM, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREEMENT AND, UM, I A, A COMPANY THAT TELLS US ON AUGUST 13TH THAT THERE'S NO DATA SHARING GOING ON, I SWEAR, AND ON AUGUST 19TH, ADMITS THAT IT'S BEEN GOING ON, IS NOT A COMPANY THAT WE CAN DO BUSINESS WITH.
AND THEY'RE NOT, IN MY OPINION, AN HONORABLE COMPANY.
UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT, REMOVE ALL THE CAMERAS, BUT I, I DO WANNA EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO THE PUBLIC.
IT WAS STATED, YOU KNOW, ON OUR LAST, UH, COUNCIL MEETING, WE APPROVED BODY CAMERAS.
AND AT THAT TIME A QUESTION WAS ASKED OF THE CHIEF AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THOSE, BUT I, WELL, LET ME START BY SAYING, I ASKED THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COMPANY IF THE DATA WAS SHARED WITH ANYONE AND HE SAID, NO, IT BELONGS TO US AND IS NOT SHARED.
THEN THE CHIEF SAID THAT THERE COULD BE SHARING THAT THERE WAS A ABILITY TO SHARE THAT DATA WITH FLOCK IF WE CHOSE TO DO SO, BUT WE HAD NOT ACQUIRED THAT PARTICULAR MODULE.
NOW, IF WE AGREE TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT, THERE WON'T BE ANY MODULE.
THOSE CAMERAS WILL NOT BE CONNECTED TO ANYTHING.
AND THOSE CAMERAS, I THINK WE'VE BEEN USING FOR SEVERAL YEARS, THIS IS A REPLACEMENT.
AND THOSE CAMERAS PROVIDE, I THINK FOR BOTH PERPETRATORS, VICTIMS AND POLICE OFFICERS AND ACCOUNTING OF THE WHAT HAPPENS AT A STOP.
THEY GET TURNED ON WHEN A STOP IS MADE AND THEY PROVIDE EVIDENCE OF WHAT HAS OCCURRED.
AND I THINK THAT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FOR ALL SIDES.
AND I WANNA JUST GO ON THE RECORD BY SAYING THAT IF WE APPROVE THE CANCELLATION OF THIS CONTRACT, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO, THAT THOSE ARE NOT ADDITIONAL SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS, THOSE CAMERAS ARE A LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOL TO PROVIDE THE RECORD OF WHAT HAPPENS AT A STOP AND THEY WILL NOT BE CONNECTED TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN USED FOR OUR OWN PURPOSES.
AND CHIEF, IS THAT CORRECT? SHE ACKNOWLEDGE, SHE ACKNOWLEDGES BY SHAKING HER HEAD THAT THAT'S CORRECT OR NODDING.
AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, I WAS INITIALLY THE ONLY VOTE IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING THIS PROGRAM WITH MORE THAN 30 YEARS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
MY FOCUS HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY AT THAT TIME.
I TRULY BELIEVE THESE CAMERAS COULD HELP US KEEP SEDONA SAFE AND ASSIST OUR OFFICERS IN THEIR DUTIES.
I HAD RESEARCHED MANY POSITIVE EXAMPLES WHERE THESE TOOLS WERE USED RESPONSIBLY TO ADDRESS THE SERIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS.
HOWEVER, I HAVE SINCE LEARNED, UH, MORE, UH, ABOUT THE OVERWHELMING BEHIND THE SCENES DATA SHARING THAT WAS NOT DISCLOSED TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE COUNCIL DURING THE LAST MEETING.
I NOW HAVE VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS.
WE'VE SEEN HOW DATA FROM THESE CAMERAS CAN BE ACCESSED BY FEDERAL AGENCIES IN WAYS I WASN'T AWARE OF.
AND WAYS THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THIS IS NOT ABOUT ONE INCIDENT, IT'S ABOUT THE LARGER PRINCIPLE OF LOCAL CONTROL AND OUR DUTY TO PROTECT THE PRIVACY OF SEDONA RESIDENTS.
I HAVE LISTENED TO YOUR CONCERNS.
I READ MANY OF THE EMAILS ACTUALLY EVERY SINGLE EMAIL AND REFLECTED ON THE BROADER IMPLICATIONS BECAUSE OF THAT.
I AM TOTALLY OPPOSED TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM IN SEDONA.
I BELIEVE IT IS IN OUR COMMUNITY'S BEST INTEREST TO REMOVE THESE CAMERAS TOTALLY.
AND TO ENSURE THAT BOTH OUR VALUES AND OUR RESIDENTS PRIVACY
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ARE RESPECTED.SO, UM, WHERE ARE WE? DO WE HAVE A, UH, WELL BEFORE WE EVEN GO TO A MOTION, WE'VE, WE'VE ALL PINED.
I'M GONNA ASK EACH PERSON IF YOU STILL WISH TO SPEAK, AND IF YOU DO, BY ALL MEANS YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK.
UH, JESSICA WILLIAMSON DO STILL WISH TO SPEAK? NO.
UH, TIM PERRY, DO YOU STILL WISH TO SPEAK? NO.
OR MAKE YOUR DO GI I ALWAYS MAKE THE, MAKE THAT MISTAKE.
M**K AND MICHELLE, JACK, DO YOU STILL WISH TO SPEAK? NO, THANK YOU.
THIS IS A MUCH BETTER WAY TO DO THINGS.
UH, CAN I, UM, YES, ASK OUR ATTORNEY A QUESTION.
I WOULD, UM, LIKE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS, KURT, IF THAT, IF YOU FEEL THAT THAT IS APPROPRIATE.
'CAUSE THIS WAS AN ITEM FOR DIRECTION ON A COMMITTEE.
BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE IT ON THE RECORD IN A POSITION OF COUNSEL THAT THE, UM, A LPR CONTRACT WITH FLOCK BE SEVERED AND THAT THE EXISTING FLOCK CAMERAS BE REMOVED.
THEREFORE I'D LIKE TO MAKE THERE YOU GO.
I DON'T TO DROP THE IDEA OF THE, THE, THE COMMITTEE.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? WE ARE UNANIMOUS.
AND THANK YOU TO THE COMMUNITY FOR SPEAKING UP.
I APPRECIATE THE EMAILS IMMENSELY.
I HAD NO IDEA THAT THE CAMERAS WERE DOING THAT KIND OF DATA SHARING.
AND IT WAS, I FEEL BAD FOR A POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO WAS LIED TO BY THE PRO, BY THE, UH, COM, UH, THE COMMITTEE OR THE, I APOLOGIZE.
SO, AND IF I COULD ALSO INCLUDE THAT, I FEEL FOR OUR CITY MANAGER WHO ACTUALLY TOOK A LOT OF HEAT ON THIS, SHE TOOK A LOT OF HEAT, WHICH WAS COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE.
AND I, I, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE, I APOLOGIZE TWO WEEKS AGO AND I APOLOGIZE AGAIN AND WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD.
HOPEFULLY, UH, DEREK'S TRYING TO GET YOUR ATTENTION.
DEREK, THE ONLY OTHER THING I'LL ADD IS THAT I THINK THIS UNDERSCORES THE IMPORTANCE OF AN INDEPENDENT MEDIA AND THE DEMOCRACY.
UM, AS MUCH AS, AS MUCH AS I INFREQUENTLY AGREE WITH THE RED ROCK NEWS AND I THINK THE LANGUAGE THEY USED IN THIS WAS HYPERBOLIC.
THEY ARE THE ONES THAT BROUGHT IT UP AND FORCED IT TO THE FOREFRONT AND MADE SURE THE PUBLIC WAS AWARE OF IT.
SO, UM, I WANT TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT'S DUE THERE.
AND ALSO THIS JUST AGAIN, ILLUSTRATES THE IMPORTANCE THAT WE HAVE MEDIA THAT'S INDEPENDENT AND IS NOT SUBJECT TO POLITICAL PRESSURE SO THAT THESE KINDS OF THINGS CAN COME OUT.
[8.e. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items. ]
ITEM E, AB 30 66.DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY.
[10. ADJOURNMENT]
HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW.