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OKAY.I TURNED OFF THE SOUND OF WIRE.
I HAD TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
[1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL ]
IT'S THE CITY OF SEDONA PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.IT'S TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025.
PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
ALLEGIANCE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[2. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF]
ITEM NUMBER TWO.ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUBMARINE OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
IF YOU WERE GONNA GO, I HAD SOMETHING.
OH, I WAS JUST GONNA DO COMMISSION AND THEN WE'LL
UM, UH, SARAH, UH, WHEELS TERM IS UP, UH, OCTOBER 31ST.
AND, UM, SO WE WILL BE ADVERTISING FOR THAT VACANCY AND HOPEFULLY SHE WILL REAPPLY AND THAT SHOULD BE NOTICED BY THE CITY, UH, SOON.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY ANNOUNCEMENT I HAD.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE, UM, FROM THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL OF PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE SEEN.
UM, CITY COUNCIL LAST WEEK DID APPROVE THE ZONING FOR THE HILLSIDE PARKING LOT, AND THEY HAD THEIR WORK SESSION ON THE WESTERN GATEWAY MASTER PLAN, WHERE THEY GAVE US SOME DIRECTION OF WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE, UM, AS WE CONTINUE WORK WORKING ON THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED NEXT STEPS OR ANYTHING YET, BUT IT WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU AT LEAST ONE MORE TIME.
UM, BUT JUST WANTED, IF YOU WANTED TO GO BACK AND WATCH, IT WAS ABOUT A FIVE HOUR MEETING,
UM, BUT WE HAD THAT WORK SESSION WITH THEM LAST WEEK.
THANK YOU FOR REPORTING THAT OUT.
[3. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES]
ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES FOR THE SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2025 REGULAR MEETING.ANY CORRECTIONS, THEY'LL STAND APPROVED.
GO ON TO NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC FORUM.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS SECTION 38 DASH 4 3 0 1 H.
ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
AND I DO NOT HAVE ANY CARDS FOR THAT ITEM.
SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM AND MOVE ON TO AGENDA
[5. Election of Planning and Zoning Commission Chair and Vice-Chair]
ITEM NUMBER FIVE, ELECTION OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.AND AT THE LAST MEETING, I SUGGESTED WE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA.
I WANTED TO ANTICIPATE WHEN I WAS LEAVING NEXT MONTH AND, UH, TO, UM, MOVE AHEAD WITH ELECTIONS, BUT THAT WAS INCORRECT.
SO,
THANK YOU CHAIR LEVIN AND COMMISSIONER.
SO, UM, IT, YEAH, IT WASN'T NECESSARILY INCORRECT.
IT WAS JUST A GOOD REMINDER FOR ALL OF US TO GO LOOK AT THE RULES AND SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND SO, UM, A, THE CHAIR OF PLANNING AND ZONING AND THE VICE CHAIR SERVE ONE YEAR TERMS BEGINNING IN JANUARY AND IN, UM, UNTIL THE NEXT FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY.
UH, AND SO IN THIS CASE, YOU'LL BE VACATING CHAIR LEVIN, YOUR, YOUR OFFICE CHAIR, THE, THE, UH, THE CHAIRMAN OF PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, ABOUT TWO MONTHS EARLY, SO NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER.
AND IN THAT CASE, THE RULES CALL THAT THE VICE CHAIR, UH, SO IN THIS CASE, VICE-CHAIR HOSNI WILL AUTOMATICALLY BECOME CHAIR FOR THE REMAINDER OF YOUR OFFICE TERM, UM, AS CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
AND SO AFTER YOU VACATE YOUR, YOUR POSITION AND YOUR SEAT ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UM, AT THE NEXT MEETING THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS, UM, VICE CHAIR HOSSAINI WILL BECOME CHAIR, AND THEN THE COMMISSION IS FREE TO ELECT A NEW VICE CHAIR AT THAT MEETING.
UM, THOSE TERMS ONLY RUN THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO THE FIRST MEETING AFTER THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, UH, IS WHEN, UH, THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION WILL MEET AND THEN ELECT THE NEW CHAIR AND VICE
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CHAIR.UH, CLOSE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND GO ON TO
[6.a. Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for approval of a Zone Change (ZC) from RMH (Single Family and Manufactured Home, 4 dwelling units per acre) to RM-3 (High-Density Multifamily, 20 dwelling units per acre) to allow for future development of the property with multifamily housing (no development proposed atthistime) and approval of a Conditional Use Permit (CUP) to allow for use of the existing single-family house until a future development is approved. The subject properties are located at 50 Tranquil Avenue and 80 Rigby Road, north of the Windsong Mobile Home Park and west of the Safeway Shopping Center. APN: 408-24-087 & -089.]
SIX CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES, A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A ZONE CHANGE FROM RMH SINGLE FAMILY AND MANUFACTURED HOME FOR DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE TO RM THREE, HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY, 20 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE TO ALLOW FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY WITH MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.NO DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED AT THIS TIME AND APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR USE OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE UNTIL FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IS APPROVED.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED AT 50 TRANQUIL AVENUE AND 80 RIGBY ROAD, NORTH OF THE WINDSONG MOBILE HOME PARK AND WEST OF THE SAFEWAY SHOPPING CENTER, ARIZONA PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 8 DASH 24 DASH 0 8 7 AND 0 8 9.
THIS IS CASE NUMBER PZ 24 DASH 0 0 0 1 8, ZONE CHANGE AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE KIM SUE YOUNG AND JAMES SPINDLE.
THE APPLICANT IS SEFTON ENGINEERING, REPRESENTED BY LUKE.
UM, ALTHOUGH IT SAYS HERE, DAVID KO, DAVID'S HERE TOO.
THANK YOU, UH, FOR THE, UM, PURPOSE OF THE PUBLIC THAT'S ATTENDING TONIGHT, I JUST WANTED TO LAY OUT THE WAY THIS, UM, PROJECT AND PROPOSAL IS GOING TO BE HEARD.
FIRST, UH, STAFF WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION.
ARE YOU PLANNING TO ALSO LUKE? MM-HMM
AND THEN, UH, AFTER BOTH OF THOSE PRESENTATIONS, THE COMMISSION WILL ASK QUESTIONS OF, UM, THESE INDIVIDUALS.
THEN WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC FORUM, WHICH IS A TIME IF YOU, UH, WISH TO SPEAK, YOU CAN DO SO FOR THREE MINUTES EACH.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, I JUST HAVE, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE I HAVE TWO CARDS INDICATING PEOPLE WANNA ADDRESS THIS, UM, THIS ISSUE.
SO IF YOU NEED A CARD, THEY'LL BE OVER HERE.
THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING, BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION AFTER WE'VE HEARD YOUR COMMENTS.
AND, UH, THEN TAKE ACTION, UH, ON THE MATTER.
UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A ZONE CHANGE IN CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST, AS YOU STATED.
UM, AS ALWAYS, THE FULL EVALUATION OR STAFF'S FULL EVALUATION IS, WAS IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, SO THIS PRESENTATION WILL GO OVER THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THAT.
UM, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO QUESTIONS ON, ON ANYTHING IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
AND THEN THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION AFTER I'M, I'M DONE.
SO THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES ON TRANQUIL AND RIG TRANQUIL AVENUE AND RIGBY ROAD.
UM, THE OWNER, AS THE CHAIR INDICATED, IS JAMES DELMAN AND SUE YOUNG KIM.
UM, SEFTON ENGINEERING IS, UM, THE AUTHORIZED AGENT.
THE PROPERTY IS AROUND NINE AND A HALF ACRES, AND IS CURRENTLY USED AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
UM, SO THIS APPLICATION WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED IN 2024.
THAT SUBMITTAL WAS DEEMED INCOMPLETE AND COMMENTS WERE PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT.
A COMPLETE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED IN JUNE, 2020, OR JUNE 25TH OF THIS YEAR.
UM, THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT, WHICH IS REQUIRED TO MOVE A PROJECT FORWARD TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WAS SUBMITTED AT THE BEGINNING OF AUGUST.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT DID REQUEST A HEARING DATE AT THAT TIME BASED ON THE APPLICATION THAT THEY HAD SUBMITTED.
UM, AND A SMALL UPDATE WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT AT THE END OF AUGUST.
UM, BUT THE APPLICATION THAT IS, OR THE APPLICATION PACKET THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET WAS WHAT THE APPLICANT HAD CONFIRMED THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
UM, THIS WAS MENTIONED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT AS WELL, BUT, UM, THIS CASE IS CLASSIFIED AS A RESIDENTIAL REZONING AND BY STATE LAW CITY COUNCIL MUST APPROVE OR DENY THESE TYPES OF REQUESTS WITHIN 180 DAYS OF RECEIVING A COMPLETE APPLICATION.
UM, SO THAT 180 DAY DEADLINE IS IN DECEMBER.
AND SO WE ARE, UM, LIMITED ON SOME OF THE TIME REVIEWS AND THE, OUR ABILITY TO, UM, GO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS WHERE YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN IN THE PASSWORD ZONE CHANGES TOOK A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
UM, THAT IS, SO IF YOU HAVE, SO WE, WE ARE IN A TIMEFRAME FOR THIS
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PROJECT.UM, SO THIS PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN BLUE.
UM, THIS PROPERTY HERE TO THE, IS THE SAFEWAY SHOPPING CENTER.
THE WINDSONG MOBILE HOME PARK IS BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND 89 A.
AND THEN THE PROPERTIES, UM, TO THE NORTH, NORTHEAST, AND WEST ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
UM, THIS IS THE CURRENT PROPERTY, UH, THE AERIAL.
BOTH, BOTH OF THE PROPERTIES UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR THIS APPLICATION HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THEM CURRENTLY.
UM, THIS APPLICATION INCLUDES A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE HOME ON THIS PROPERTY TO REMAIN, UM, FOR THE TIME BEING.
AND THEN THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THE HOUSE ON THIS SMALLER PROPERTY.
UM, SO THIS PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED MULTI-FAMILY HIGH DENSITY IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
THE COMMUNITY PLAN STATES THAT DEN DENSITIES OF OVER 12 UNITS PER ACRE ARE SUPPORTED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, WITH CONSIDERATION OF STRATEGIES THAT ADDRESS LOCAL HOUSING NEEDS, HOUSING DIVERSITY, AFFORDABILITY, AND AVAILABILITY SO THAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN SETS THE STAGE FOR CONSIDERATION OF A ZONE CHANGE.
UM, BUT HOWEVER, THE CURRENT ZONE CHANGE IS SINGLE FAMILY AND MANUFACTURED HOME RESIDENTIAL RMH THAT ALLOWS, UM, OH, I FORGOT A D IN THERE.
SO IT ALLOWS MANUFACTURED HOMES AT A DENSITY OF FOUR UNITS PER ACRE.
AND THE PROPOSED ZONING IS A HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY, WHICH WOULD ALLOW UP TO 20 UNITS PER ACRE.
THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT IS ALSO PART OF THIS IS A RESULT OF THE PROPOSED RM THREE ZONING REQUIRING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A, A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSE IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE OR IN THE MULTIFAMILY ZONE.
SO IF THE ZONE CHANGE WERE TO BE APPROVED, THE HOUSE, THE EXISTING HOUSE WOULD NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO REMAIN AS IS.
SO THAT IS WHY THERE IS A ZONE CHANGE AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ASPECT TO THIS PROPOSAL.
UM, THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PROPERTIES IN RED ALONG 89 A ARE COMMERCIALLY DESIGNATED AND THE PROPERTIES IN YELLOW, UM, NORTH OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ARE SINGLE FAMILY DESIGNATED.
THE THIS PROPERTY IS MULTIFAMILY HIGH DENSITY.
AND THE PROPERTIES BETWEEN THIS AND THE ROAD ARE MIXED USE.
AND THAT, AGAIN, THOSE ARE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATIONS.
THEY DO NOT GUARANTEE A ZONE CHANGE APPROVAL, BUT SET THE STAGE FOR IF A ZONE CHANGE APPROVAL WERE TO OCCUR ON ONE OF THESE PROPERTIES.
UM, WHAT MAY BE AN APPROPRIATE DESIGNATION? UM, THE ZONING MAP, UM, AGAIN, THE BLUE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED COMMERCIAL, AND THIS IS WHAT OBVIOUSLY CONVEYS THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS FOR A PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE DIFFERENT YELLOWS, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE COMING ACROSS ON THE SCREEN, BUT THEY ARE DIFFERENT SINGLE FAMILY DENSITIES.
UM, GENERALLY, UM, THE DARKER COLORS ARE HIGHER DENSITIES, SO YOU HAVE LIKE A, A HIGHER DENSITY OVER HERE WHERE THIS IS A LOWER DENSITY AND YOU HAVE SOME PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, BUT IT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, SO THERE WERE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
UM, THOSE WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
ALSO, UM, DID SUBMIT A LETTER REGARDING THE EXISTING BUILDING BEING THE RIGBY HOUSE, UM, ASKING FOR IT TO BE PRESERVED.
UM, THAT WAS SENT, THAT WAS A, SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION DID VOTE ON.
SO IT WASN'T AN INDIVIDUAL COMMISSION MEMBER SUBMITTING IT, IT WAS THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE.
UM, THE APPLICANT IN THEIR, UM, APPLICATION HAS COMMITTED TO SURVEYING AND DOCUMENTING THE BUILDING, BUT THERE IS NOT, UM, A PROPOSAL TO PRESERVE THE BUILDING.
UM, ALL OF THE STANDARD PUBLIC INPUT AVENUES WERE TAKEN WITH CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT, PROJECT DOCUMENTS ON THE, UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENTS WEBPAGE, PUBLIC HEARING IN THE PAPER, POSTING ON THE PROPERTY, MAILINGS TO NEIGHBORS.
AND THE LAST UPDATE, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE EVERYTHING, UM, UP UNTIL ABOUT NOON TODAY.
IF YOU CHECKED YOUR EMAIL THIS AFTERNOON, I THINK THAT EMAIL WAS SENT OUT ABOUT ONE.
UM, BUT SO YOU'D HAVE EVERYTHING UP UNTIL THEN.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT ANYTHING BETWEEN ONE AND NOW, BUT AS OF ONE O'CLOCK, YOU, YOU HAVE EVERYTHING.
UM, THE REVIEW FOR ZONE CHANGES, WE LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY PLAN, OTHER ADOPTED PLANS THAT THE CITY HAS, UM, TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, GO SEDONA PLAN, CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, UM, FOR
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THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE PRIMARY THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BECAUSE THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT APPROVED, SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ARTICLE FIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND ALL OF THAT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARTICLE EIGHT, WHICH INCLUDES THE ADMINISTRATION AND PROCEDURES AND HOW ZONE CHANGES ARE APPROVED.BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO KIND OF A GENERAL, UM, MOVING FROM ONE ZONING DISTRICT TO THE OTHER WOULD CHANGE SOME OF THE APPLICABILITY OF SOME OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, RM THREE AND RMH HAVE DIFFERENT SETBACKS, YOU KNOW, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT HEIGHT CALCULATIONS, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO EVEN THOUGH NO DEVELOPMENT IS APPROVED OR PROPOSED AT THIS TIME, THE ALLOWANCES MAY SLIGHTLY CHANGE.
UM, SO THE FINDINGS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS ARE IN LDC SECTION 8.3 E FIVE, AND INCLUDE CONSISTENCY WITH PREVIOUS APPROVALS, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, OTHER APPLICABLE PLANS AND INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS, COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OTHER APPLICABLE REGULATIONS, MINIMIZING IMPACT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS, MINIMIZING ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL AND FINANCIAL IMPACTS, COMPLIANCE WITH UTILITY SERVICE AND IMPROVEMENT STANDARDS, UM, PROVISION OF ADEQUATE ROAD SYSTEMS, PUBLIC SERVICES AND FACILITIES, AND A RATIONAL PHASING PLAN IF A PHASING PLAN IS PROPOSED.
UM, SO AS YOU, I'M, I'M HOPING THAT YOU READ IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, OUR FULL EVALUATION OF THIS PROJECT WAS IN THERE.
UM, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, NO ONE PROJECT IS EXPECTED TO MEET EVERYTHING IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS A WIDE RANGING DOCUMENT THAT COVERS THE ENTIRE CITY, BUT ZONE CHANGE APPLICATIONS ARE EXPECTED TO MOVE THE CITY CLOSER TO REALIZING, UM, THE VISION THAT THE CITY HAS SET FOR ITSELF.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, UM, THE PRI STAFF DID CONCLUDE THAT THE PROJECT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND OTHER ADOPTED PLANS WITH THE PRIMARY AREAS WHERE THE PROJECT, UM, WAS FALLING SHORT, BEING HOUSING, LAND USE AND CIRCULATION.
SO FOR HOUSING, AGAIN, UM, DENSITY IS GREATER THAN 12 UNITS PER ACRE ARE CONSIDERED.
IF THE PROJECT INCLUDES STRATEGIES FOR ACHIEVING HOUSING, DIVERSITY, AFFORDABILITY, AND AVAILABILITY, THE APPLICANT HAS INCLUDED A PROHIBIT, UH, PROPOSED PROHIBITION ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR 30 YEARS FROM THE DATE OF THE ZONING APPROVAL, WHICH WOULD ADDRESS THE HOUSING AVAILABILITY, UM, REQUIREMENT OF OR STRATEGY, UM, BUT HAS NOT INCLUDED ANYTHING REGARDING HOUSING AFFORDABILITY OR HOUSING DIVERSITY.
THERE'S A, A NUMBER OF LAND USE, UM, GOALS AND VISIONS THAT WERE, UM, OUTLINED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT WITH THE TWO PRIMARY ONES BEING DIRECTING, DEVELOPMENT AWAY FROM ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE PORTIONS OF A SITE.
AND AGAIN, RELATING AGAIN, BACK TO HOUSING, PRIORITIZING HOUSING GROWTH WITHIN CITY LIMITS, AND FOCUSING EFFORTS ON A AFFORDABILITY AND DIVERSITY, UM, CIRCULATION.
A SHARED USE PATH THROUGH THE SITE IS SHOWN IN THE GO PLAN, AND THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN RECOMMENDS NEW OFFSITE OFF HIGHWAY CONNECTIONS IN WEST SEDONA.
UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONNECTIONS THROUGH THIS SITE, AND THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IN THEIR APPLICATION PACKET HAD ONLY COMMITTED TO, UM, THAT A FUTURE DEVELOPER WOULD, UM, DISCUSS THAT WITH THE CITY TO DETERMINE IF A CONNECTION WOULD BE, COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE DID NOT GET A FIRM COMMITMENT THAT THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE, IN A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, SO AGAIN, THE FULL EVALUATION IS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
STAFF'S EVALUATION CONCLUDED THAT THE ZONE CHANGE PROPOSAL DOES NOT MEET MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE FINDINGS, INCLUDING, UM, THE ONES ON YOUR SCREEN, UM, ON THE SCREEN, CONSISTENCY WITH COMMUNITY PLAN AND OTHER ADOPTED PLANS, MINIMIZING IMPACT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, FISCAL IMPACTS, AND COMPLIANCE WITH UTILITY SERVICE AND IMPROVEMENT STANDARDS, ROAD SYSTEMS AND PUBLIC SERVICES.
SO THAT, UM, AND AGAIN, DON'T WANNA FORGET THAT THERE IS A SECOND PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
AGAIN, MOST OF THE EVALUATION FOCUSED ON THE ZONE CHANGE, UM, BUT THERE IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PORTION OF THAT.
UM, WE INCLUDED SOME OF THAT EVALUATION AS WELL, BUT ULTIMATELY, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT KIND OF HINGES ON THE ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION.
IF THE ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION IS APPROVED, UM, STAFF DOES BELIEVE THE CUP WOULD MEET THE NECESSARY FINDINGS FOR APPROVAL.
HOWEVER, IF THE ZONE CHANGE IS NOT APPROVED, THE CUP IS NOT NECESSARY.
AND SO SINCE, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THIS, UH, UM, ZONE CHANGE, AND THEN FOLLOWING FROM THAT RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
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SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.OTHERWISE THE APPLICANT CAN GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION.
I HAVE A CLARIFICATION QUESTION.
FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, YOU SAY 30 YEARS FROM ZONING APPROVAL? RIGHT.
SO THAT'S NOT 30 YEARS FROM CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
SO IF YOU APPROVE IT AND THEY DON'T BUILD FOR 25 YEARS, THEN IT WOULD ONLY APPLY FOR FIVE YEARS AFTER END OF CONSTRUCTION.
THAT IS THE WAY THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE APPLICATION.
QUESTIONS DOWN HERE FOR STAFF.
UM, CARRIE, I, I, I LOOKED THROUGH THE VARIOUS CODES AND LAND USE PLAN, TRYING TO FIND IF IT WAS SUCCINCTLY DEFINE AS TO WHAT DRAWINGS HAD TO BE SUBMITTED FOR A ZONING CHANGE.
CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? I, I, I, I THINK I FOUND SOMETHING THAT SAID THEY NEEDED A SITE PLAN, FLOOR PLAN AND BUILDING ELEVATIONS, BUT I WASN'T SURE.
SO I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITY PUBLISHES THAT IS REQUIRED.
SO THERE ARE SOME GENERAL APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS, BUT THERE'S ALSO A CATCHALL THAT SAYS WHATEVER'S NEEDED FOR REVIEW OF THE PLANS OR REVIEW OF THE PROPOSAL.
IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY DEVELOPMENT, WE WOULD NOT REQUIRE A SITE PLAN, FLOOR PLANS, ELEVATIONS, UM, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS PROPOSAL.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF THE STANDARD BASELINE WOULD BE AN APPLICATION, A LETTER OF INTENT, A SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY, LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS, UM, SOME OF THAT LEGAL, LEGAL THINGS.
AND THEN AS WE GO THROUGH THE, UM, REVIEW PROCESS, THINGS THAT COME UP THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF QUESTIONS COME UP THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED BY VARIOUS DOCUMENTS, THOSE WOULD BE SUBMITTED AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, I'M, I'M A NEWBIE TO THE, TO THIS COMMISSION.
SO GOING THROUGH THE PACKET, UM, THERE WAS, UH, LETTERS FROM A PSA, UH, THE WATER COMPANY, CENTURYLINK.
SO STATING THAT THEY COULD BUILD IT, THERE WAS, UH, AN END INVENTORY OF EXISTING LIGHTING.
I WAS, I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHERE THAT CAME FROM AND WHY IT WAS IN THE PACKET.
SO LETTERS OF SERVICEABILITY ARE TYPICALLY REQUIRED FOR EVERY INCEST, WHERE YOU GOT THINGS FROM THE UTILITY COMPANY SAYING THAT THIS IS WITHIN THEIR SERVICE AREA.
UM, THE LIGHTING INVENTORY IS BECAUSE PART OF THE REVIEW IS, IS THERE ANYTHING NON-CONFORMING ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW? UM, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR A ZONE CHANGE, ANYTHING EXISTING NON-CONFORMING, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO WHETHER THAT CAN BE BROUGHT INTO CONFORMANCE.
SO WE ASKED FOR A LIGHTING INVENTORY SO WE COULD DETERMINE IF THE EXISTING LIGHTING IS NON-CONFORMING OR NOT.
UM, WE'VE DONE A FEW ZONE CHANGES SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION, BUT I CAN'T THINK OF ANY THAT DIDN'T HAVE A PROJECT ATTACHED.
HAVE WE DONE ANY RECENTLY ISH THAT DIDN'T HAVE A PROJECT ATTACHED TO A ZONE CHANGE? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
UM, SO CURRENTLY I'VE, I SPENT SOME TIME TRYING TO, IT, IT ALLOWS FOR MANUFACTURED HOMES RIGHT NOW SPECIFICALLY, CORRECT? THAT'S NOT, IS THAT A PREVIOUS DESIGNATION OR IS THAT A, I I COULDN'T FIND? WELL, THE CURRENT DESIGN, THE CURRENT ZONING DESIGNATION IS RESIDENTIAL MANUFACTURED HOME.
UM, AND SO THE ALLOWANCE IS STILL FOR PER ACRE? FOR CURRENT, FOR, YEAH, FOR THE CURRENT ZONING.
UM, THOSE ARE ALL MY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
WELL, CHARLOTTE, I GUESS THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO ASK, BUT, UM, WHERE COULD YOU REMIND ME OR INFORM ME, WHERE IN THE CITY DO WE HAVE RM THREE NOW? DO WE HAVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE? UM, SO RM THREE IS, WE DON'T HAVE IT MANY PLACES.
IT'S, UH, UP UNTIL ABOUT SEVEN, OH, GEEZ, EIGHT YEARS AGO, UM, THE CITY, SO RM THREE ALLOWS UP TO 20 UNITS PER ACRE.
AND SO IT WAS ACTUALLY LEFT OVER FROM COUNTY ZONING BECAUSE THE COUNTY HAD A NUMBER OF, UM, PLACES MOSTLY ACTUALLY COCONINO COUNTY AND UPTOWN IS WHERE THE RM THREE ZONING IS.
UM, BUT IT WAS LEFT IN THE CODE.
SO WE HAD DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THOSE PROPERTIES.
BUT UP UNTIL 2017, THE CITY, UM, THE COMMUNITY PLAN DID NOT SUPPORT DENSITIES GREATER THAN 12 UNITS PER ACRE.
SO WE DID NOT USE THE RM THREE RE, UM, ZONE AS ZONING APPLICATIONS BECAUSE THOSE DENSITIES WERE NOT SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
IN 2017, THE COMMUNITY PLAN WAS CHANGED TO ALLOW
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FOR CONSIDERATION OF HIGHER DENSITIES IF STRATEGIES WERE INCLUDED TO ADDRESS LOCAL HOUSING NEEDS, INCLUDING AVAILABILITY, DIVER, UH, AFFORDABILITY AND DIVERSITY.AND SO, UM, OPINION LOSS WAS THE FIRST ONE TO USE THAT ONE.
AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE THE ONLY ONE SO FAR TO HAVE REZONED TO RM THREE SINCE WE CHANGED THE COMMUNITY PLAN TO ONCE AGAIN, BE ABLE TO CONSIDER IT.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO PICTURE A PROJECT THAT MM-HMM
SO PINION LOFT IS AT 20 UNITS PER ACRE.
THAT WOULD BE THE MOST RECENT ONE.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THE INCORPORATION OF THE CITY AND THE CHANGE FROM THE COUNTY MM-HMM
UM, THE PRIVATE ROADS, MEDO AND RIGBY, I DON'T KNOW IF RIGBYS EVEN CONSIDERED A ROAD OR AN EASEMENT, BUT ANYWAY, ARE THOSE LEFT OVER FROM THE COUNTY THAT SENSE OF PRIVATE, OR IS IT A DIFFERENT KIND OF PRIVATE? I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF THOSE ROADS.
UM, SO IF, IF THERE'S A DEVELOPER THAT WANTS TO COME IN, UM, AND THERE'S OBVIOUSLY PER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GONNA BE A NEED TO DO SOMETHING, AT LEAST ON THE DOLE, UM, THE EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS THERE WOULD NEED TO SHARE IN THE EXPENSE.
IT'S NOT GONNA ALL OF A SUDDEN BECOME A PUBLIC ROAD, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S, IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, SO THE CITY WOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN ANY OF THAT.
SO, BUT YOU WOULD, BUT IT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT THAT THERE'D BE SOME IMPROVEMENT IN SIZE OR SURFACE OR SOMETHING? CORRECT.
UM, AND, AND THERE'S A SHARING OF COST INVOLVED WITH THAT.
AGAIN, OTHER ONCE, UM, WE MIGHT REVIEW IT FROM ACCESS ON 89 A, WHETHER A DECELERATION LANE OR SOMETHING MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE, BUT ONCE IT GETS ON, GETS ONTO THE PRIVATE EASEMENT, THAT WOULD, IT WOULD BE UNCLEAR WHETHER THERE'D BE A SHARING.
I MEAN, GENERALLY MAINTENANCE OF PRIVATE ROADS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE PRIVATE ROADS MM-HMM
WHETHER THEY WANTED IT OR NOT.
AGAIN, THAT'S, UH, BETWEEN THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS.
IF, IF I MAY ADD SOMETHING REGARDING ACCESS AND IMPROVEMENTS, UM, IT DOES FULLY DEPEND ON THE ACTUAL PRODUCT AND SITE PLAN AND WHAT DOES GET, UM, PROPOSED.
BUT IT WOULD MOST LIKELY COME WITH IMPROVEMENTS TO THE, UM, PROPERTY AND ALONG THE PROPERTY AND ACCESS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE USE.
I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHO PAYS
BUT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT, KURT.
WHAT ARE, WHAT WOULD BE THE RIGHTS OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THAT PRIVATE ROAD? WHAT IF THEY DON'T WANNA MAINTAIN IT, OR WHAT IF THEY DON'T, CAN'T AFFORD TO MAINTAIN IT OR
IF THEY WANNA TAKE THEIR, I MEAN, YOU CAN FORCE PEOPLE INTO OTHER PROPERTIES INTO, UM, LIKE ROADWAY MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT GETS COMPLICATED AND IT'S SOMETHING THE PRIVATE OWNERS WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.
AND THEN, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK IT OR NOT, BUT DENSITY IS AN ISSUE GOING TO A MORE DENSE, UH, ZONING DESIGNATION.
COULD YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY? IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT'S NOT THE DIGGER, BUT IT'S THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED IN THE CODE.
I REALLY GET CONFUSED BETWEEN WORK OR HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, VARIOUS DESIGNATIONS AND, UM, SIZE.
AND I THINK THERE'S AN ABILITY TO INCREASE THE DENSITY, UM, IF IT'S MM-HMM
SO BY, BASED ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, ANY UNIT THAT IS DEED RESTRICTED FOR AFFORDABILITY, AND SO, YOU KNOW, INCOME LEVELS AND HOW MUCH YOU SPEND PER MONTH ON ALL OF THAT, LIKE THE RENTS ARE SENT BASED, BASED ON YOUR INCOME INSTEAD OF MARKET RATE.
SO IF IT'S DEED RESTRICTED FOR AFFORDABILITY, UM, THOSE UNITS DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS THE TOTAL DENSITY.
AND IF THE UNITS ARE 500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS, THEY COUNT FOR, UM, HALF OF THE UNIT.
IF THEY'RE A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OR LESS, THEY COUNT FOR THREE QUARTERS OF A UNIT, AND THEN UNITS OVER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET COUNT FOR ONE FULL UNIT.
SO IF YOUR DENSITY ALLOWS YOU 10 UNITS, IF ALL OF THEM WERE 495 SQUARE FEET, YOU COULD DO 20 OF THOSE SMALLER UNITS RATHER THAN 10 LARGER UNITS.
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SO AGAIN, NOT HAVING A DEVELOPER, NOT HAVING AN ACTUAL PROJECT, AND THEREFORE NOT KNOWING REALLY WHAT MIGHT GO THERE MM-HMMUM, IT COULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE DENSE THAN JUST THE RM.
THE, THE UNIT SIZE EQUIVALENCIES WERE DONE, JUST, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A THREE BEDROOM UNIT AND 400 SQUARE FEET, SO TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE SMALLER UNITS.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD WAIT TILL YOU HAVE A COMMENT CARD FROM HIS, FROM THE HERITAGE MUSEUM OR FROM MM-HMM
NATE, UH, IF HE'S GONNA ADDRESS IT IN HIS COMMENTS, OR IF I SHOULD ASK NOW, ASK NOW.
UM, I, I FOUND THE LETTER FROM HISTORIC PRESERVATION, A LITTLE UNCLEAR, UH, WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY SAYING ABOUT THE HOUSE, WHETHER IT DID MEET, POTENTIALLY MEET, UM, A HISTORIC DESIGNATION STATUS OR NOT.
AND SO I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THAT CLARIFIED.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHEN THE HOUSE HAS BEEN SURVEYED IN THE PAST, AND I FEEL LIKE CHAIR LEVIN MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE MORE HISTORY THAN ME AS WELL, BUT FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THERE WERE, HAD BEEN ENOUGH RENOVATIONS OVER THE YEARS THAT IT WAS NOT TRUE TO ITS ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION, AND WOULD NOT BE QUALIFI NOT QUALIFY AS A LANDMARK FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
I THINK I'VE HEARD MAYBE SOME WAFFLING ON THAT.
SO YEAH, I THINK, UM, AS YOU SAID, NATE'S GONNA ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND CLARIFY THAT, UM, WHAT WE, WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE PROPERTY IS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ADDITIONS, WHICH, IF PEELED BACK WOULD MAKE, MAKE ITS, UM, AUTHENTICITY, UH, CLEAR, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER'S NOT INTERESTED IN LANDMARKING IT, BUT OF COURSE PRESERVING IT IS, UM, REALLY THE GOAL.
SO IT DOES HAVE, IT DOES, UM, MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR LANDMARK STATUS.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S A CLARIFICATION, UM, TO THE LETTER THAT WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT LATER.
I THINK THAT'S IT FOR RIGHT NOW.
OKAY, MR. SEFTON, I, I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION.
OH, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY, IS SHELBY, THE SHELBY PROJECT, I'M LOOKING AT THE ZONING MAP THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S RM THREE, THE, THE PROJECT THAT THE CITY IS CONSTRUCTING MM-HMM
OR ON THE LOW INCOME HOUSING ON SHELBY.
YEAH, THAT IS OWNED INDUSTRIAL.
UM, WHICH ALLOWS FOR MULTIFAMILY AS A PERMITTED USE AND ABOVE 12 UNITS PER ACRE.
AGAIN, SUBJECT TO THE SAME CASE BY CASE IF IT DOES.
BUT AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY AFFORDABLE UNITS.
UM, THEY'RE ALL DEED RESTRICTED FOR AFFORDABILITY.
AND SO, BUT THERE IS AN RM THREE IN THERE, SO THERE'S AN RM THREE THAT'S, UM, YEAH, THERE'S A VACANT RM THREE PARCEL UP THERE.
YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MAP.
I THOUGHT IT WAS THAT ONE, BUT THANK YOU.
THE ONE, THE, THE, THE CITY HAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION IS, UM, AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
I'M LUKE SEFTON WITH SEFTON ENGINEERING.
UM, I'LL TRY TO GO THROUGH THIS REALLY QUICKLY 'CAUSE I, PART OF IT SHE'S HANDLED AND PART OF IT YOU GUYS HAVE READ, SO I WON'T GET INTO TOO MANY DETAILS.
JUST REALIZE THAT MY GOAL IS HOUSING IS A CRISIS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE 180 DAYS, IS A LEGISLATION'S REACTION TO TRY TO FORCE MORE HOUSING UNITS, UM, IN BIGGER CITIES.
THEY ARE BASICALLY SAYING MULTIFAMILY AND MANY OF THE ZONING, UH, SINGLE FAMILY ZONING THAT'S IN CLOSE TO THE COMMERCIAL OR CENTERS.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE LARGER CITIES.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT RULES COMING DOWN THAT ARE TRYING TO PUSH FROM WAR HOUSING 'CAUSE WE'RE IN A REAL CRISIS FOR THAT.
UM, AND TRYING TO DO A ZONE CHANGE, UM, TAKES SOME OF THE RISK AWAY FROM THE DEVELOPER.
'CAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME IN, IF THAT'S THEIR
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GOAL, TO GET HOUSING.YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GET THEM TO, YOU KNOW, REDUCE THEIR RISK OF WHAT THEY CAN DO.
ALSO, UM, I WOULD POINT OUT IF YOU GOT YOUR WATER BILL LATELY, YOU CAN SEE WE GOT A BIG INCREASE IN THE WATER, OUR WATER BILL BECAUSE OF THE NEW WATER TANK OVER THERE AND WHAT IT COSTS TO DO THAT.
SO THAT WAS A LOT OF STUFF THAT WE HAD TO DO.
UM, AND I, GOING THROUGH THERE, SO, UH, CARRIE PUT AT THE END THERE, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
I THINK THOSE, THAT MEANT EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE THINKING OF TO DO THAT.
IF YOU HAVE OTHER ITEMS WE CAN.
UM, AND I'LL GO, YOU KNOW, THE PATH ON TRANQUIL AVENUE TO MADE, UM, THAT CAN BE INTEGRATED WITH WHEREVER THE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE SITE.
I THINK IT CAN BE AN ASSET, ASSET TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT'LL ENCOURAGE MORE BICYCLE TRAFFIC IN USING THE COMMERCIAL CENTER, CONNECTING THE COMMERCIAL AREAS MORE IN THE OTHER PATHWAYS TO A DANTE.
SO, UM, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS IN THERE.
BUT ALL THOSE, THESE ARE ALL IN THERE FOR WHAT CARRIE PUT RIGHT AT THE END THERE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL GET INTO SAME CONDITIONS THERE.
UM, JUST SO YOU SEE THERE'S THE FLOODWAY, UM, IN THE DARKER BLUE.
UM, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF AND NOT IMPEDED.
UM, WITH THAT, UM, GENERALLY WE HAVE ABOUT 60 FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY TO THE BACK AND ABOUT 7, 8, 5 TO SEVEN, EIGHT FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE IN THE FIRST A HUNDRED FEET OR SO OFF OF THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE.
ONE KIND OF, UM, JUST WEST OF MODEL ROAD SHOWING THE DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION THERE FROM THE SITE.
AND THEN ANOTHER ONE ABOUT, UM, LONG RIG RIG RIGBY ROAD TO SHOW KIND OF THE ELEVATION CHANGE THERE.
UM, AND I'LL GET FURTHER INTO THIS, BUT, UM, WE, WE WANT TO GET THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIONS WITH THE VEHICLES.
UM, ADANTE IS A GREAT LOCATION 'CAUSE IT CONNECTS UP TO, UM, UH, SANBORN AND THUNDER MOUNTAIN.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY LOCALS, TO USE THOSE, UM, SIDE STREETS AND OFF HIGHWAY STREETS, UM, AND PEDESTRIAN PATH.
SO THEN IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, IT JUST GOES THROUGH, UM, HOUSING.
YOU KNOW, HOUSING IS A PRIORITY, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, IT'S MENTIONED THROUGHOUT IT.
UM, AND WE CAN DO THAT AND SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO GET THAT ENCOURAGED IF WE, IF WE WANT MORE DIVERSE HOUSING AND MORE AFFORDABLE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY WENT FROM AFFORDABILITY TO TIED TO A PERCENT A 30% OF YOUR INCOME TO ATTAINABLE OR, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS NOW, BUT, UM, THE MORE APARTMENTS WE HAVE ARE MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE FOR FAMILIES TO, TO, TO, UH, RENT.
UM, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THAT.
IT'S MOSTLY THROUGHOUT THIS, UM, HOUSING IS A PRIORITY.
WE CAN, WITH THE, UM, CONNECTIONS THERE, OUR CIRCULATION, I MEAN, CONNECTING MOD TO TRANQUIL, UM, ALONG WITH, UH, 15 FOOT, UH, SPECIAL USE PATH WOULD BE IDEAL, UM, TO HELP OUT, UM, NOT ONLY TO REDUCE THE CURB CUTS ON 89 A, UM, BUT TO MAKE IT A SAFER PASSAGE FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS THERE.
UM, AND A TRAFFIC STUDY WILL, YOU'LL GO THROUGH THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND IT'S, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA MANDATE AT LEAST TWO ENTRANCES AND IMPROVEMENTS.
AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE EASEMENTS, THE DEVELOPER'S GONNA HAVE TO, IF HE WANTS TO DO THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY SAYS HE HAS TO IMPROVE RIGBY ROAD WITH, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'LL HAVE TO DO, OR MADE AND MODEL'S IDEAL BECAUSE WE GOT A DRAINAGE ISSUE THERE, UM, THAT COULD EASILY BE FIXED, UM, IF FOR, IF WE IMPROVE THE ROAD THERE.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
IF YOU SEE THE KEY ISSUES ARE TRAFFIC AND HOUSING, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, MORE HOUSING, MORE TRAFFIC, OR MORE TRAFFIC.
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HOUSING, YOU KNOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE IN A HOUSING CRISIS, UM, AND WE HAVEN'T SOUND IT, WE HAVEN'T SOLVED IT YET.AND AGAIN, THIS IS FROM THE, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO THINK REGIONALLY TOO ABOUT THIS.
AND WE ARE, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, AND HERE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, YOU KNOW, WELCOMING TO FAMILIES, UM, DIVERSITY OF PEOPLE, UM, H THE HOUSING DIVERSITY, YOU KNOW, IF WE ALL HAVE SINGLE FAMILY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED MULTIFAMILY, MOBILE HOMES, CONDOS, THERE'S A DIVERSITY THERE.
UM, AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IN SIZE TOO.
UM, UH, THIS IS AN IDEAL AREA BECAUSE OF THE, UH, COMMERCIAL AROUND IT.
AND IT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED, UM, BECAUSE IT WILL CONNECT SOME OF THE, UM, OFF STREET OR SIDE STREETS, UM, TO THE COMMERCIAL AND MAKE SOME ADDITIONAL PATHWAYS.
UM, AND THIS IS JUST WHAT THEY WERE SAYING, WHAT MAKES A GREAT PLACE WALKABLE, ACCESSIBLE, YOU KNOW, NEAR THE COMMERCIAL, UH, RENT LEVELS, PROPERTY VALUES.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, MULTIFAMILY IS IN THERE, AND I JUST, THAT'S JUST OUT OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN HERE IS, UM, MULTIFAMILY SERVES AS A TRANSITION.
THIS IS WHERE I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, RIGHT HERE BETWEEN THE SAFEWAY CENTER AND THE CIRCLE K AND WINDSONG IS A GOOD AREA TO HAVE THAT TRANSITION AND KEEP THAT OFF HIGHWAY, UH, CIRCULATION.
AND THEN IT DOES EVEN GO INTO MOBILE HOMES IF YOU'RE GONNA REDEVELOP THE DENSITY THEY SAY SHOULD BE RETAINED OR INCREASE.
SO EVEN ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN SAYS IF THIS IS MOBILE HOMES, YOU KNOW, IT MAYBE COULD BE INCREASED IN DENSITY.
UM, SO, AND AGAIN, WE JUST NEED HOUSING.
UM, THESE ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES, UM, TO IMPROVE THE WALKWAY.
UM, AND THEN I JUST GO THROUGH THE POLICIES, ALLOW GREATER DENSITY IN OUR LAND USE, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MIXED USE.
UM, THERE YOU LOOK AT WHAT OUR HOUSING STOCK IS, IT'S VERY LOW.
IT'S DOWN AT, UH, 4% AND THAT'S REAL LOW FOR THE, FOR ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UM, AND THIS IS JUST FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN, TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES WITH HOUSING.
SO IT WAS A, A BIG PART OF IT.
AGAIN, SOME OF THE POLICIES OF ENCOURAGING HOUSING AND DIVERSITY, UM, HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND, AND THEN YOU HAVE AN ACTION PLAN, WHICH IS MOSTLY ON, UM, THE CITY, BUT THIS IS PART OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO EITHER ADDRESS HOUSING OR NOT ADDRESS IT? UM, BECAUSE, UM, IT JUST IS AT A STALE, IT'S STALLED HERE ALMOST FOR THAT.
AGAIN, HERE IS, UM, JUST TO SHOW YOU A, OUT ON 89 A WILL WANT US TO CONSOLIDATE DRIVEWAYS OR CURB CUTS AND MAKE, MAKE SURE THEY'RE SAFER.
UM, SO THAT WILL COME OUT OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY DURING DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE FLOODWAY WILL BE PRESERVED.
UM, THERE HAS TO BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WE CAN CONTROL SOME OF THE FLOODING THERE, UH, THROUGH WINDSONG AND OVER, UM, BY THE MCDONALD'S CORNER THERE.
UM, BUT THIS WILL HAVE TO ALSO HAVE A STORM WATER PROTECTION, UM, UH, QUALITY PERMIT AND, UH, AND DETENTION BASINS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF RUNOFF DUE TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO, TO KEEP OUR ECONOMY GOING AND OUR EMPLOYEES, THEY NEED PLACES THAT THEY CAN LIVE AND WORK IN.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A ZONE CHANGE, UH, REZONE.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES WE DO DEAL WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THERE'S BEEN A FEW, I MEAN, OAK CREEK HERITAGE ZONING, WHEN THAT, THAT WAS, UH, CITY I INITIALIZED JUST ZONE CHANGE BASED ON THE, THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THAT.
UM, SO IT'S BEEN KIND OF DONE IN THE PAST, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE EITHER NEED TO SAY WE HAVE TO DO ALL THE ENGINEERING TO DO A ZONE CHANGE OR, UM, OR IDENTIFY THAT WE WANT HOUSING.
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SEE ME WHERE I'M AT THERE.I'M JUST GOING TO JUMP THROUGH ALL THIS 'CAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN THROUGH ALL THIS.
UM, HERE, THE, UM, DOWN HERE ON THE LOWER AND BLUE IS REZONING, AND THOSE ARE ALL THE STEPS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH FOR REZONING.
UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK ABOVE DESIGN REVIEW, IF YOU HAVE 11 MORE THAN 11 UNITS, YOU ALMOST, YOU HAVE TO DO ALMOST THE SAME THING, BUT IN MORE DETAIL.
UM, IT CALLS FOR MORE STUDIES.
UM, THIS IS WHERE THIS IS, UM, ON THE RIGHT BELOW IS WHAT HANUKKAH'S LOOKING FOR IN THE, BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS.
BUT YOU'LL HAVE ALL THAT BEFORE, UH, DESIGN REVIEW TOO.
UM, THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND DRAINAGE STUDIES AND GRADING AND ALL THAT.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT UNDER DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING IS THE DECISION MAKERS ON THAT AND COUNCIL'S THE, UH, APPEAL.
UM, HERE WE'RE RECOMMENDING A ZONE CHANGE TO COUNCIL OUR, UM, AND THEN, THEN WHEN A DEVELOPER, WHEN THEY COME IN AND WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THEN IT GOES THROUGH THE MAJOR DEVELOPMENT.
OF COURSE, IF THEY BUILD ONLY 10 UNITS, THAT'S, THEY DON'T, IT, IT'S A SHORTER PROCESS, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'LL DO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, REZONING WILL LOOK AT THE HIGH LEVEL, YOU KNOW, BALANCING THE COMMUNITY PLAN GOALS, PATHWAYS, UM, WHAT ARE OUR COMMUNITY PLANS VERSUS IN THE PUBLIC BENEFIT FOR THIS.
UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST STATING THE, UM, THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
UM, I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT IF YOU GUYS HAVE CHANGES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT AND, AND CAN DISCUSS ANY OF THOSE CHANGES THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE, IF WE CAN KEEP THAT.
BUT ANYWAYS, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION THERE, SO THANK YOU MR. SEFTON.
DOES YOUR, UH, CLIENT WISH TO SPEAK? DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING, JIM? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REITERATE AND THEN WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, WE, WOULD YOU JUST, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
JAMES DELMAN, 50 TRANQUIL AVENUE.
WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROPOSAL, UH, IT WAS SUGGESTED TO US THAT THE BEST WAY FOR THE PROPERTY TO GO TO MEET, BEGIN TO MOVE FORWARD IN THIS AS A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT, WAS TO GO FOR A ZONE CHANGE.
FIRST, THE REASON BEING THAT SO MANY DEVELOPERS FEEL THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH UNCERTAINTY WITHOUT, WITHOUT THAT COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY.
SO WE, WE WENT, WE APPROACHED CARRIE, AND CARRIE WAS VERY OPEN TO IT.
SHE, IN FACT, TOLD US THAT SHE WOULD FAST TRACK IT AND WE COULD GET THIS DONE BY FOUR IN FOUR MONTHS.
SHE GAVE US COMMITMENTS THAT WE WOULD ONLY HAVE TO GIVE A 30 DAY AND 10 YEAR COMMITMENT FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SHE GAVE US, UH, MANY SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE ENCOURAGING TO US TO, TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS PROPOSAL.
AS WE WENT DOWN THE ROAD, IT BEGAN TO CHANGE NOT ONLY ONCE, IT CHANGED FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT TIMES WITH DIFFERENT THINGS, AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE WERE IGNORANT ABOUT THIS PROCESS.
WE TOLD HER THAT, AND WE ASKED FOR HER SUPPORT AND SUGGESTIONS ONE STEP AT A TIME ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS PROPOSAL.
WE GOT DOWN TO THE FINAL MEETING AND SHE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE HAD A FULL PACKAGE.
SHE HAD NO, NO COMMENTS AT THAT TIME, AND NO COMMENTS WERE FORTHCOMING FROM THAT TIME UNTIL AFTER.
AFTER THIS, UH, ONCE SHE PUT FORWARD THE, THE, THE, THEIR SUGGESTIONS FOR THIS MEETING, WE HAD PUT FORWARD THE REQUEST TO AMEND OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
SHE TOLD US RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING, WE SHOULD PUT A, WE WOULD HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE.
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OF APPROVAL WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO MEMORIALIZE FOR THIS PROJECT.SHE SAID THAT, UH, ONCE, SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE WENT AND WE PUT THIS FORWARD TO OUR LAWYER.
THE LAWYER CALLED, UH, KURT OR CONTACTED KURT AND REQUESTED DISCUSSION OF THAT.
THE, THE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING WILL HAVE TO MAKE THIS DECISION AS FAR WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED WITH IT.
SO WE PUT HE, WE DRAFTED OUR INITIAL CONDITIONAL, UH, UH, CONDITIONS FOR, UH, APPROVAL.
AND, UH, AS WE WENT ON, CITY STAFF LET US KNOW THAT THEY MAYBE THE, THE, THE WORDING WAS NOT TIGHT ENOUGH.
SO WE WENT BACK, WE WENT THROUGH IT, WE REWROTE IT, AND WE RESUBMITTED IT.
SHE CLAIMED THAT THAT WAS NOT A REVISION OF, OF THE, OF THIS.
SHE CLAIMED THAT IT WAS A, A WHOLE CHANGING THE WHOLE, UH, UH, SUBMISSION AND WE'D HAVE TO REDO IT.
BUT WE WERE ALSO TOLD WE HAD TO MEET THIS DATE FOR THIS MEETING.
OTHERWISE, IT'S GETTING TOO LATE TO MEET THE FINAL APPROVAL AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO THIS IS A VERY FRUSTRATING, UH, SIT SITUATION.
AS A, AS A, AS SOMEONE WHO, UH, WE WERE, WE WERE ORIGINALLY, THIS, THIS PROPOSAL FOR US, FOR MULTIFAMILY WAS PUT FORWARD TO US BY MIKE RABER.
HE CALLED US, HE ASKED US, HE WENT THROUGH A REVIEW OF IT WITH US.
HE TOLD US THIS WAS A PLANNED ZONE.
WE, HE SUGGESTED THAT WE RECONSIDER OUR USE OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE WE CAME HERE AND WE WERE PLANNING TO LIVE IN THE PROPERTY.
THIS WASN'T JUST OVER ONE YEAR, THIS WAS OVER 10 YEARS WITH MULTIPLE CON UH, CONVERSATIONS.
THEN WHEN IT WAS TIME FOR THE COMMUNITY REVIEW, I MEAN THE, UH, COMMUNITY PLAN, CYNTHIA LOVELY AND MIKE BER WERE IN CONTACT WITH US.
THEY GAVE US, THEY GAVE US THEIR, UH, UH, THEIR UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WANTED THIS TO BE MULTIFAMILY BECAUSE THEY FELT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN.
AND THEN IT WENT TO THREE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR BEFORE THAT WAS, WAS ESTABLISHED.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHY, WHY WE CAME ALL THIS WAY WITH GREAT EXPENSE.
AND NOW, NOW WHERE WE ARE IS WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF, OF DENIAL.
DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. SEFTON? I DO.
SO I'M TRYING THIS THING WORKING, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UM, WITH RM THREE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN GET 190 UNITS ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ACTUALLY COULD ACCOMPLISH THAT, BUT, BUT IF YOU, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, THEN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE, UH, ABLE TO DO IF YOU WANTED TO.
UH, AND, UH, SOMEONE HAS SUGGESTED, UH, PERHAPS RM ONE WOULD BE, UM, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR 76 UNITS, UM, UH, MIGHT BE A BETTER CHOICE.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU, WHY YOU'RE PUTTING FORWARD THE IDEA OF MOVING TO RM THREE INSTEAD OF RM ONE.
THAT WAS JUST OUR DECISION, YOU KNOW, RM ONE OR THREE, I THINK WE WERE, I THINK WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THE AREA IN THERE.
UM, BUT I, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT TOO.
SO JUST BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE LOOKED AT, IT SEEMS THAT, UM, UH, UH, IT'S JUST DIFFICULT FOR ME PERSONALLY.
AFTER WALKING THE PROPERTY, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UH, AFTER WALKING IT, UH, SEEING 190 UP POTENTIALLY 190 UNITS, UH, IS, UH,
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IS IS JUST DIFFICULT TO DIGEST.UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE, THAT, UH, ON THE, WHEN THEY WERE CONSIDERING THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW MANY LOCATIONS THEY COULD DO LARGER DEVELOPMENTS.
AND I THINK THAT WAS THE INITIAL IMPETUS FOR WHAT, FROM THE, UH, FROM THE, THE CITY THAT, THAT, THAT WHY THEY WANTED TO DO THAT.
I REALLY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE THE ONE QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK, JUST BECAUSE I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR THINKING WAS ON THAT.
UM, AND PARKING USUALLY DICTATES IT MORE THAN THE NUMBER OF UNITS 'CAUSE PARKING USUALLY GETS, BUT WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD.
AND SINCE WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE DEVELOPER'S GONNA BUILD, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU JUST START THINKING WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
UM, IT'D BE NICE IF YOU WERE PRESENTING WHAT YOU WERE GONNA BUILD, BECAUSE THEN WE COULD, UH, HAVE A, I THINK A MORE HEARTFELT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
WHAT THE GOOD, BAD, AND THE UGLY.
CAN I CONTINUE TO MAKE COMMENTS OR YES.
THE, THERE'S A 20% REQUIREMENT.
I THINK IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THAT HAS TO BE LEFT.
THERE ARE FOUR EASEMENTS THAT WILL BE PART OF THIS PRO PROJECT THAT THE MEALL ROAD EASEMENT, THE RIGBY ROAD EASEMENT, THE, THE GO SEDONA PATH EASEMENT, WHICH BY THE WAY, WE AGREE TO ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE FOR THE FIRST TIME PRESENTED IN, IN THEIR RECOMMENDED POSSIBLY BRINGING THIS INTO CONFORMANCE.
WE DID AGREE THAT WHAT WE WERE, WHAT WE WERE ASKED FOR WAS, WILL YOU AGREE TO A SHARED USE PATH? WE RECOGNIZED AT THE BEGINNING THAT THIS IS PRO WAS IS CURRENTLY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THE CITY'S ASKING US TO GIVE THAT FOR THAT PURPOSE.
YES, WE THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE BICYCLES.
WE THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A WALK PATHWAY.
SO WE SAID, YES, WE WILL DO IT.
AND WE SPOKE WITH HANUKKAH AND WHAT HANUKKAH RECOMMENDED AT THAT TIME, THE LANGUAGE THAT SHE RECOMMENDED TO US WAS THAT WE AGREED TO THE SHARED USE PATH.
AND THE ONLY THING IS WE DON'T WANT TO ESTABLISH FOR A DEVELOPER WHERE IT'S GONNA BE, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA LIMIT HOW THERE ARE GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, IN THEIR DE DESIGN CONCEPT THAT'S THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO GO THROUGH.
WE DON'T WANT TO, WE WANT THEM TO BE, HAVE THE FREEDOM WHERE EXACTLY IT'S GONNA BE LOCATED.
BUT THE KEY ELEMENT WAS THAT IT'S GONNA CONNECT MEDU TO TRANQUIL AVENUE.
THAT'S WHAT WAS, WAS HER LANGUAGE.
AND WE PUT IT IN, NOBODY EVER QUESTIONED IT.
AND WHAT CAME BACK IS NOW IS, IS, IS THAT WE WEREN'T, WE WEREN'T IN CONFORMANCE.
DID YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP? NO, I'M OKAY.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM HOUSING HERE? UM, SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAVE THIS ANSWER, BUT YOU MIGHT NOT.
SO ON THE, SO ON THE FUTURE USE LAND DEVELOPMENT MAP THAT WE APPROVED AS A BODY DURING THE COMMUNITY PLAN MM-HMM
THIS SPECIFIC PARCEL IS NOT RM ONE OR RM TWO, IT'S RM THREE.
SO MY GUESS IS THAT'S HOW THEY POTENTIALLY GOT THERE IS THAT'S WHAT'S RECOMMENDED.
I'M WONDERING IF EITHER, YOU KNOW, OR SOMEONE KNOWS WHAT ABOUT THIS PARCEL? BECAUSE THERE'S VERY FEW PARCELS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT'S CALLED FOR RM 3, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 OF THEM.
WHAT ABOUT THIS PROPERTY? AND SOME OF THEM ARE MUCH SMALLER, SO IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST A, A MATTER OF SIZE.
WHAT ABOUT THIS PROPERTY CAUGHT THE ATTENTION OF FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN FOR RM THREE? DO YOU KNOW THAT? THAT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR CARRIE.
OH, IT WAS, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR CARRIE BEFORE MY, IF WE'RE MAKING YOU STAND UP.
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THERE'S NOT MANY PARCELS OF THIS SIZE.UM, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THERE, IT DOES HAVE COMMERCIAL ON, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL ZONING ON A COUPLE SIDES AS WELL.
I MEAN, THERE'S SOME SMALLER ONES THAT ARE FLAGGED.
SO I, I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT COULD ONLY BE ON SIZE WITH THE OTHER, THE OTHERS THAT ARE FLAGGED.
THERE'S SOME SMALLER ONES I CAN SEE.
YOU KNOW, TOUCHING COMMERCIAL SEEMS TO DEFINITELY BE A THEME YEAH.
THE, IT IS A, AGAIN, IT'S THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION, UM, WOULDN'T PRECLUDE A REQUEST FOR A DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL ZONING, BUT IF IT HAD BEEN DESIGNATED A, YOU KNOW, A MEDIUM, I THINK WE HAVE MEDIUM, MEDIUM HIGH AND HIGH, OR THE THREE DESIGNATIONS.
IF IT HAD BEEN DESIGNATED THE OTHER ONE, IT MAY HAVE PRECLUDED A REQUEST FOR THE HIGHER DENSITY.
SO IT ALSO GIVES THE MOST FLEXIBILITY.
I JUST KNOW HOW MUCH THOUGHT GOES INTO THIS MAP.
LIKE THE HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS.
NOT ONLY THAT WAS SPENT BEFORE WE SAW IT AND THEN WE SAW IT AND ALSO SPENT MM-HMM
SO I THINK WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE OF LIKE, JUST UNDERSTANDING, UNDERSTANDING THE HOUSING SITUATION MM-HMM
AND, UM, MAJOR COMMUN, YOU KNOW, INCREASING DENSITY ON A PARCEL IS CONSIDERED A MAJOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT RIGHT.
WHICH HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT IMPEDIMENT TO PEOPLE LOOKING AT REDEVELOPING PARCELS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
IF THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A MAJOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT IN ADDITION TO A ZONE CHANGE IT.
UM, SO I THINK SOME OF THE THOUGHT IN JUST REDOING A NUMBER OF AREAS OF THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE MAP ARE, WAS, WAS WITH THAT IN MIND AS WELL.
IS THERE SOMETHING WHERE IT MAKES SENSE THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY STREAMLINE A FUTURE REVIEW OF A PROJECT? OKAY.
ONE OTHER THOUGHT COMES TO MIND, JUST A MINUTE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA JUST FINISH QUESTIONS UP HERE.
UH, ROB, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT.
MY, WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU ARE NOT GONNA DEVELOP THE PROPERTY, BUT SOME DEVELOPER, IT'LL BE SOLD AND SOME DEVELOPER WILL COME IN AND DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AND YOU'RE JUST ZONING IT NOW SO THAT THEN IT CAN BE SOLD TO SOMEONE TO DEVELOP IT.
BUT AT, AT THE SAME TIME, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, UH, UH, MULTIFAMILY BECAUSE WE, WE SEE HOW THE COMMUNITY IS SUFFERING.
WE HAVE PER PERSONALLY OBSERVED THE AMOUNT OF SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT ARE, ARE BEING DIS DESTRUCTIVE TO THE CITY.
UM, WE SEE THAT THERE'S MANY LESS FAMILIES THAT ARE, CAN AFFORD THE CITY.
SO THAT, THAT IS OUR WISH FOR THE PROPERTY.
BUT, BUT YOUR INTENT IS TO SELL IT.
AND I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING TO THE PUBLIC.
OH, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR OPPORTUNITY.
CAN I SAY THAT? OH, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DECORUM,
THE COUNTRY NEEDS DECORUM AND WE SHOULD START HERE IN SEDONA AND RESPECT EACH OTHER'S OPINIONS AND WHAT WE SAY.
I ALSO HAD A QUESTION ON THE EASEMENTS.
UM, I'M LOOKING AT A MA PAGE 82 OF THE DOCUMENT, UH, MEDU ROAD.
IS THAT THE RIGHT PRONUNCIATION? YES.
MEDO, MEDO ROAD, YOU HAVE A 30 FOOT, THAT'S AN EASEMENT FOR YOU, FOR YOUR PROPERTY.
UH, SOMEONE ELSE IS PROVIDING THAT EASEMENT.
RIGHT? THAT EASEMENT GOES THROUGH A COUPLE PROPERTIES, RIGHT.
AND THEN IT GOES ALONG OUR PROPERTY OR THIS PROPERTY, AND IT REALLY IS FOR THE RESIDENCE TO THE NORTH THAT'S THERE.
I WAS CURIOUS WHY IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH THEN.
AND, AND YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE PREPARED TO, UH, THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD, UH, SPEND FUNDS ON ME ROAD, EVEN IF THEY DON'T OWN IT.
IF THEY WANT TO DO DEVELOPMENT, SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY.
IF THE, THE TRAFFIC, IF THE TRAFFIC, UH, STUDY SAYS YOU NEED TO GET RID OF THE WASHOUT AND THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO
BUT, UM, IF HE WANTS TO DO IT, THEN THAT'S ONE OF THE
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THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT, UM, PAYING FOR.AND USUALLY THE DEVELOPER UNDERSTANDS THAT THEY'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT.
THEY CAN'T, THE NEIGHBORS CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T GO AND SAY, WELL, YOU HAVE TO PAY YOUR PORTION.
UM, IF THEY WANT TO PUT THAT ROAD IN OR WANT TO PUT IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THAT'S WHY, EVEN IF IT'S SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY, YES, IT'S ON THE EASEMENT AS LONG AS YOU'RE WITHIN THE EASEMENT.
YOU KNOW, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE, FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE TO THE, THE, THE, UH, UTILITY EASEMENT, UH, THAT IS OUR PROPERTY MEDO, THAT PART OF MEDU IS OUR PROPERTY.
SO THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT WOULD, WOULD BE AFFECTED BY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE ONE IN BETWEEN, WHICH IS OWNED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER OF THE, UH, THE TRAILER PARK AND THE ONE IN THE FRONT, WHICH IS OWNED BY A BANK.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, AND I JUST WANT, I'M NOT SURE IT'S A QUESTION FOR YOU OR MAYBE MORE FOR KURT OR CARRIE, BUT, UM, THOSE GO WITH THE LAND, IS THAT CORRECT? AND SO A FUTURE OWNER, IF THEY WERE CONTEMP, OH, WELL, LET'S SAY THEY DIDN'T OWN IT YET, OR IF THEY DID AND THEY HAD SOME OBJECTIONS TO SOME OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, DO THEY HAVE ANY RECOURSE? IS THERE ANY APPEAL ABILITY? IT'S THIS, IS IT YOU BUY THE WHOLE PACKAGE? CORRECT.
SO YOU BUY THE WHOLE PACKAGE, THE CONDITIONS APPROVAL, RUN WITH THE LAND, AND EXISTS.
IF YOU VIOLATE ANY OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THEN THE, UH, ZONING COULD BE REVERTED.
I, UH, LUKE, YOU, UM, USE THE TERM, UH, LOWERING THE RISK FOR DEVELOPER.
WOULD YOU EXPAND UPON THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE CARRIE WAS KIND OF EXPLAINING WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, YOU KNOW, IF DEVELOPERS COME IN AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY LOOK AT WHAT'S AVAILABLE MM-HMM
UM, WHAT'S ZONED, UM, AND THAT'S EASIER.
OTHERWISE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS NOT KNOWING IF THEY'RE EVEN GONNA BE ABLE TO REZONE MM-HMM
AND THAT IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT BECAUSE AT THAT TIME THEY'LL BE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND THEY'LL HAVE FOUR PLANS AND, UM, AND ELEVATIONS WITH THAT.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHY IT'S, IF THEY KNOW IT'S ZONED, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, UH, MAP WAS JUST CREATED DEVELOPABLE LAND THAT ZONED PROPERLY IN YAVAPAI COUNTY JUST TO HELP DEVELOPERS IDENTIFY LOTS THAT ARE ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY, ARE PROPERLY ZONED.
SO IT JUST, AND YET ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME TO THE COMMISSION HAVE BEEN BOTH REZONING AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA GET HOUSING, HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME AND LOOK AT THIS? MM-HMM
AND THAT'S MY POINT OF VIEW FOR THAT IS LIKE, THIS IS ENCOURAGING SOMEBODY TO COME IN, LOOK AT IT.
THEY KNOW THAT THEY GOT A YEAR, BASICALLY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO, THEY GOT A, LIKE THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN ALMOST A YEAR.
SO THAT TAKES THAT OUT SO THEN THEY CAN START A LOT QUICKER.
SO YOU LOOK AT THIS AS A WAY TO IT'S INCREASE IT'S ATTRACTIVENESS TO A POTENTIAL BUYER FOR MULTIFAMILY? YES.
EVEN THOUGH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UM, SPEAKS TO, UH, INCREASED DENSITY.
I MEAN, I MEAN, THAT'S PERSUASIVE.
THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
IT IS, BUT THE PROCESS, AS YOU CAN SEE, JUST TO GET TO THIS POINT, WHAT WE GO THROUGH MM-HMM
SO SOME OF THAT IS JUST REDUCING THAT RISK.
HAS YOUR, UM, CLIENT SPOKEN TO DEVELOPERS WITH ANY, UH, REAL INTEREST IN DEVELOPING THIS SITE? THERE'S BEEN, UM, I KNOW, UM, THE SNOBBY HILL PROJECT, THEY'RE LOOKING AT APARTMENTS.
THEY WANT TO DO SOME APARTMENTS.
UM, SO THEY'VE BEEN WALKING THE SITE A FEW TIMES.
THAT'S, UM, THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGING IS LOOKING AT THAT, AND I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER DEVELOPER LOOKING AT IT.
UM, AND WATCHING HOW THIS GOES.
I, SO I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID.
THE O THE DEVELOPERS OF THE SCHLEY HILL PROPERTY HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN DEVELOPING THIS ONE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR PROPERTY TO DO MULTIFAMILY ON IT.
SO THEY'VE BEEN SEARCHING AROUND.
THEY'VE WALKED THIS PROPERTY, THEY'VE WALKED A COUPLE OTHERS, UM, AND THEY'RE WAITING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER DEVELOPER THAT HAS WALKED THE SITE.
I DON'T, UM, AND IS INTERESTED, BUT IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT YOU
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KNOW OF? THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL.THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL, UH, DEVELOPERS WHO'VE COME AND SOME OF THE, ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS SHOW, WE ASKED THEM TO GIVE US JUST A PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND WHAT KIND OF IDEA THEY HAD FOR THE PROPERTY.
WHAT THEY SHOWED US WAS A PLAN THAT WENT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
AND WE TOLD THEM, THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
NO, NOBODY'S GOING TO APPROVE WITH NO SETBACKS.
SO WHY WOULD YOU EVEN GIVE US THAT? SO WE SAID NO TO THOSE PEOPLE.
UH, ANOTHER DEVELOPER CAME AND THEY HAD THE IDEA THAT THE CITY SHOULD PAY FOR ALL THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ROADS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THAT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE IT WAS GONNA MAKE MUCH SENSE TO US.
SO IN, IN DISCUSSING THIS WITH, WITH REALTORS, THEY SAID THAT THE BEST WAY IS THAT IF WE CAN MAKE COMMITMENTS UPFRONT TO THE CITY, WHICH WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT, THEN IT WOULD BE MUCH EASIER FOR A DEVELOPER TO COME BACK AND SAY, YES.
WHEN WE, UM, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT HOUSING HERE ON THE COMMISSION, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WESTERN GATEWAY PLAN AND ALSO OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND, AND SOME OF THE DIFFICULTIES THAT WE DO HAVE IN DEVELOPING SMALLER PARCELS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE FOR DEVELOPERS TO DEVELOP.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY NEED ABOUT 120, 130 UNITS TO MAKE IT, UH, VIABLE TO, UH, TO PRESENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WELL AS MARKET RATE HOUSING.
AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AND, AND I HEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, I HEAR THE STRATEGY AND I UNDERSTAND THE STRATEGY, AND I'M, I'M A, I'M A BIG ADVOCATE FOR, FOR HOUSING.
YOU KNOW, MY QUESTION IS, WHEN WE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS LAND AND YOU SPEND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SPENT TO PREPARE THIS FOR SALE, AND YOU'RE ALREADY SEEING DEVELOPERS COMING IN WITH PLANS THAT DON'T WORK, EVEN WITH YOUR CONDITIONAL USE OR NOT CONDITIONAL USE YOUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, IT DOES SEEM A, AS WILL WAS SAYING JUST A LITTLE BIT, UM, IN THE AIR.
UM, AND I, BUT I DON'T WANNA DISCREDIT, YOU KNOW, THE WORK THAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMITMENT, BUT ARE YOU, IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO THE POINT OF YOU WANNA MAKE HOUSING AVAILABLE, BUT YET YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO TALK ABOUT HAVING, OR, OR ARE YOU NOT? ARE YOU, ARE YOU WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, SAY, OKAY, WE WANT, IF YOU DID A PROJECT, 30% HAS TO BE AFFORDABLE OR 50% HAS TO BE AFFORDABLE? UM, SO THE, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT, IS AFFORDABILITY AND AVAILABILITY.
PART, PART OF PART OF OUR THINKING ABOUT THAT WAS WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE THE DOLLARS AND CENTS OF A DEVELOPER END UP BEING.
AND SO THE KEY IS HOW DO WE COME, HOW DOES THE CITY, HOW DO WE, HOW DOES THE DEVELOPER COME TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER TO FIND A WAY THAT BALANCES THAT OUT? WHEN YOU ASK ME, WOULD I, WOULD I COMMIT TO AFFORDABLE HOU HOUSING? YES.
BUT THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHAT'S GONNA STILL WORK FOR THE DEVELOPER? MM-HMM
CARRIE, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS MADE ABOUT THE PROCESS OF THIS PROJECT REVIEW.
WAS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO CORRECT OR RESTATE? I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO AN ARGUMENT MM-HMM
BUT THERE, UM, WE WOULD NEVER GUARANTEE APPROVAL, UM, OF ANYTHING.
WE ARE VERY CLEAR WHEN WE MEET WITH PEOPLE THAT IT IS UP TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL AS TO WHETHER APPROVE A ZONE CHANGE OR NOT.
WE PROVIDE FEEDBACK AS TO WHAT HAS, WHAT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS HAVE OFFERED, AND WHETHER, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS PROJECT MIGHT COMPARE AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR AND WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A FAST TRACK PROCESS, BUT IF THE APPLICANT IS ON TOP OF THINGS, THERE ARE POSSIBILITIES TO GET THROUGH IN CERTAIN TIMEFRAMES.
WE GIVE, UM, WHEN PEOPLE ASK FOR TIMEFRAMES, WE KIND OF GIVE THE, HERE, IF EVERYTHING GOES TO PLAN, IF EVERYTHING MOVES FORWARD IN A TIMELY MANNER, THIS IS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
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WE, I NEVER GUARANTEED APPROVAL OR, UM, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.SO IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THOSE.
UM, KURT, I REALLY APPRECIATE.
I THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, I THINK, FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF THERE IS A CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THAT THAT WILL GO THROUGH WITH WHATEVER HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE.
TO ME SITTING HERE AND LISTENING AND HAVING NOT HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC YET, EXCEPT FOR OF COURSE, WHAT WE'VE RECEIVED BEFORE THE MEETING, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THERE'S A DISCONNECT BETWEEN INTENTION AND COMMITMENTS.
AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE PROJECT IS BEING RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL.
NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED HOUSING OR NOT BECAUSE A PLAN WAS PROVIDED, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S A LACK OF COMMITMENT.
AND YOU'VE STATED HERE THAT YOU KNOW, YOUR INTENTIONS ARE POSITIVE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, DIVERSE HOUSING, AND YET THERE'S NO ASSURANCES MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT, THAT CAN BE TIED TO THAT.
SO IT'S ASKING FOR A REZONING WHERE REALLY WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COULD BE, AND IT COULD BE ANYTHING WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, ASSURANCES, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA MINIMIZE IMPACT TO YOUR NEIGHBORS ASSURANCES OF DEEPER SETBACKS OR ASSURANCES OF HOW THE BUILDING STRUCTURE IS DONE.
UM, SO IT'S JUST, THAT SEEMS TO ME TO BE THE BIGGEST ISSUE HERE IS THE DIFFICULTY IN APPROV IN APPROVING SOMETHING IF WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE YES, THERE'S A HOUSING CRISIS, WE NEED HOUSING, BUT WE DON'T JUST NEED ANY HOUSING.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA JUST THROW IN THIS HUGE MONSTROSITY BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE OUT OF ALIGNMENT.
AND IF YOU'RE SELLING IT, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE REZONED IT, REALLY ANYTHING CAN BE PUT ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO EVERYBODY HERE IN THE COMMUNITY TO REALLY HAVE A COHESIVE, THOUGHTFUL, RESPONSIBLE, SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST.
AND WHAT I DON'T SEE ARE ASSURANCES THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING, OR OUR SAFEGUARD FOR THAT.
YOU, YOU, YOU MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT, UH, THE 30 YEAR RESTRICT DEED RESTRICTION.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE 30 YEAR DEED RESTRICTION, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT GOES INTO EFFECT ONCE THE BUILDING, UH, BUILDING PERMITS ARE, ARE ISSUED.
SO, WHICH LIMITS THE, THE, THE QUESTION OF COULD IT BE A FIVE YEAR VERSUS A 30 YEAR? RIGHT.
BUT IT'S MORE THAN SHORT TERM RENTALS.
IT'S THE DENSITY, IT'S THE IMPACT TO THE TRAFFIC, IT'S THE IMPACT THE, TO THE NEIGHBORS.
IT'S THE IMPACT TO THE ENVIRONMENT.
IT'S, IT'S SO MULTI DESIGN, IT'S SO MULTILAYERED MM-HMM
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE, I I'M SORRY FOR YOUR FRUSTRATION, AND I'M SORRY YOU'RE FEELING THAT, BUT EVERYBODY'S REALLY TRYING TO JUST DO THE NEXT RIGHT THING.
AND IT'S HARD TO MAKE A DECISION OR NOT HARD TO MAKE A DECISION WHEN WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE THAT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE IN MY EXPERIENCE, ONLY, ONLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF MOVING FORWARD WITH, IF IT'S NOT GOING TO PROTECT THE FABRIC OF OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO, WELL, WE'RE ALSO OPEN TO OTHER CONDITIONS IN HERE, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AS WE GET THROUGH THIS.
IF THERE'S OTHER CONDITIONS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, WE CAN DO THAT.
BY THE WAY, AS FAR AS THE 20 OR 30%, NO ONE EVER MENTIONED TO US FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
WE, THIS, WHEN IT WENT INTO REVIEW WITH ALL THE CITY DEPARTMENTS, THE COMMENTS THAT CAME BACK, NOBODY MENTIONED THAT ISSUE.
SO I MEAN, YES, WE, WE ARE WILLING TO DO THAT.
THE QUESTION IS, IS IT 10%? IS IT 15%? IS IT 30% THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT? I HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT.
IF YOU'RE SPEAKING WITH DEVELOPERS, THEY WOULD TELL YOU WHAT THE NUMBER WOULD BE TO BE THAT MAKE A PROJECT WORK.
'CAUSE IF WE KNOW HOW MANY UNITS YOU NEED TOTAL FOR AFFORDABILITY, THEY KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS THAT YOU NEED IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I, I DO NOTICE IN, IN OTHER, UH, PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN, THAT I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING IN THE NEWSPAPER, THAT MAYBE SOME OF THEM ARE 15 OR 20% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE.
IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM NOW, AND I HAVE JUST A FEW CARDS HERE IF YOU'VE CHANGED YOUR MIND ABOUT WHETHER YOU WANNA TALK.
UH, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
UH, COME TO THE, UH, PODIUM THERE.
POSITION THE MIC SO WE CAN HEAR YOU AND STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
UH, THE FIRST ONE I HAVE IS NATE MEYERS.
BENEFITS OF FILING A CARD BEFORE ANYONE ELSE GETS HERE.
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HUH?UH, VICE CHAIR HOSSEINI COMMISSIONERS.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU THIS AFTERNOON.
I LIVE IN YAVAPAI COUNTY OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS.
I'M SPEAKING TO YOU TODAY AS THE CHAIR OF THE SEDONA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
I HOPE I CAN ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
UM, AS BACKGROUND, THE HPC RECENTLY COMPLETED AND HISTORIC PROPERTY INVENTORY SURVEY OF THE BUILDING AT 50 TRANQUIL.
THE SURVEY WAS CONDUCTED BY COMMISSIONERS KAREN STUPAK AND BOBBY WOODS ON APRIL 8TH, 2025.
PREVIOUS SURVEYS WERE CONDUCTED IN 1991, 2001, 2007 AND TWO 14.
HISTORIC PROPERTY INVENTORY SURVEYS ARE STANDARD DOCUMENTATION AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND ARE GENERALLY CONDUCTED ON BUILDINGS 50 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER.
THE 2025 SURVEY FOUND THAT MAINTENANCE AND UPDATES TO THE BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, UPGRADING THE WINDOWS AS WELL AS A TWO 2001 ADDITION TO THE FRONT ENTRY, DO NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE BUILDING.
COMMISSIONERS STUPAC AND WOODS RECOMMEND THAT THE PROPERTY MAINTAIN ITS, MAINTAINS ITS HISTORIC INTEGRITY AND THAT IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR LANDMARKING.
THAT IS THE OPINION THAT THEY CAME UP WITH AFTER THE SURVEY.
IN CONSIDERATION OF THAT RECOMMENDATION, AND IN THE IMPORTANT HISTORY OF THE SITE, AS THE EARLIEST HOUSE DESIGNED BY NOTED SEDONA ARCHITECT HOWARD MEDO AS THE OLDEST ADOBE BUILDING IN SEDONA, AND AS THE LONGTIME HOME OF PROLIFIC WRITERS AND PHOTOGRAPHERS, DOUGLAS AND ELIZABETH RIGBY, WHOSE MASSIVE PHOTOGRAPHIC AND JOURNALISTIC ARCHIVES ARE HOUSED AT THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM, UM, THE HPC SUBMITTED THE LETTER CONTAINED IN YOUR PACKET IN WHICH HAS BEEN REFERENCED, UH, SO FAR IN THIS MEETING.
THE COMMISSIONS INTENTION WITH THAT LETTER IS TWOFOLD.
FIRST, TO ENSURE THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS ARE AWARE OF THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE BUILDING.
SECOND, IT'S THE HPC COMMISSIONER'S HOPE THAT WHATEVER FORM FUTURE DEVELOPMENT TAKES ON THIS SITE, THAT THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING IS CONSIDERED AND MAINTAINED.
UH, AND I HAVE A MINUTE LEFT REAL QUICK.
I DO WANT TO JUST ADDRESS, UH, VICE CHAIR HOSSEINI'S, UH, QUESTION SPECIFICALLY.
UM, 'CAUSE THERE IS SOME CONFUSION.
SO, EARLIER VERSIONS, PREVIOUS ITERATIONS OF THE INVENTORY FORMS DID NOT ASK FOR THE SURVEYORS OPINION OF WHETHER A BUILDING WAS ELIGIBLE FOR, UM, LANDMARKING OR NOT.
UH, BUT THE PREVIOUS SURVEYS STARTING IN 2008.
I WENT BACK ALL THE WAY EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON, UH, IN PREPARATION FOR THIS.
SO I CHECKED THOSE OUT, GOING BACK TO AT LEAST 2008.
THEY NOTE THAT THERE IS A, UH, ALTERATION, WHICH WE DISCUSSED, UH, TO THE FRONT ENTRYWAY.
UM, SO THAT CAUSED SOME CONFUSION.
I THINK THE CURRENT FORM THAT, UH, THAT WE USE FOR THE INVENTORY SURVEYS DOES ASK FOR A RECOMMENDATION.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I WANNA MAKE CLEAR THAT THE MOST RECENT SURVEY, UH, UH, BY COMMISSIONERS TUPAC AND WOODS, UH, DOES RECOMMEND THAT IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR LANDMARKING.
SO I HOPE THAT CLEARS THAT UP, BUT IF IT DOESN'T, YOU CAN ASK MORE QUESTIONS MAYBE AFTER
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO ALL THESE THINGS.
RAMAS SWAMI, WHAT IS, WHAT, WHAT'S LEFT? YES.
THAT YOUR FIRST NAME, I'M SORRY.
VENKAT, THANK YOU, IS THE FULL NAME.
UM, UH, MY WIFE AND I MOVED INTO ME ROAD ABOUT 15, 18 YEARS AGO.
MY WIFE PASSED AWAY THREE YEARS AGO, BUT I'VE CONTINUED TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE WE'VE HAD FOR THE LAST, UH, 18, 19 YEARS NOW.
AND WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS PROPOSAL FOR THE ZONING CHANGE, I WAS, I THOUGHT, OH, THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED ON ANTE, WHERE THERE WAS A PROPERTY WHERE SUDDENLY THERE WERE GOING BE DEVELOPING, UH, LARGE NUMBERS OF HOUSES.
UM, AND THEN IN THE END, I THINK THE DEVELOPER WALKED AWAY FROM IT BECAUSE HE COULDN'T GET, UM, COMPLETE, UM, SATISFACTORY SORT OF APPROVALS OR WHATEVER HE WANTED.
AND INSTEAD, NOW, TWO, TWO HOUSES HAVE BEEN PUT UP IN THAT AREA THERE, INDUSTRIAL HOUSING.
AND BASICALLY THEY'RE USED FOR, UH, AS, UM, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, BECAUSE I CAN SEE THE HOUSE EVERY DAY FROM MY HOUSE.
AND SOMETIMES THE LIGHTS ARE ON AT NIGHT, SOMETIMES THERE'S NO LIGHTS.
IT'S THREE, FOUR DAYS, THERE'S NOTHING.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'D BE LIGHTS IN THE PLACE.
SO I PRESUME THAT THOSE TWO PROPERTIES ARE BEING
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USED THAT WAY.I, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PROPOSALS THAT WERE MADE FOR THIS, UM, ZONING CHANGE REQUEST, AT FIRST I THOUGHT, OH, THIS WILL BE ANOTHER, UM, PROBLEM WHERE THERE'D BE LOTS OF EXTRA TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD.
BUT THEN I UNDERSTAND FROM WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED AND FROM THE SPINDLE THEMSELVES THAT ALL THAT'S BEING ASKED FOR IS THE ZONING CHANGE.
THIS IS NOT THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL OF ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE.
THAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE ONLY AFTER SEVERAL MORE ROUNDS OF DISCUSSIONS AND PROPOSALS AND APPROVALS.
AND, AND THAT PROCESS MAY TAKE SEVERAL, AT LEAST TWO, THREE YEARS, IF NOT MORE, BEFORE THAT COMES TO FRUITION.
AND THEN WHEN THAT HAPPENS, ALL THESE ASPECTS OF, UM, THE TRAFFIC ISSUES AND OTHER ISSUES RELATED TO THE ENVIRONMENT IN THE AREA WILL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED ADEQUATELY.
AND THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
MY POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS, I THINK THELEMAN HAVE A VERY GOOD, UM, VIEW ABOUT WANTING TO SOMEHOW ADDRESS THE HOUSING SHORTAGES IN, IN SEDONA.
AND IF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST A WAY FOR THIS TO GO FORWARD, THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY APPROVALS OF FINAL PLANS OR ANYTHING.
SO WE CAN'T REALLY TELL WHAT THOSE FINAL PLANS ARE GOING TO BE, NOR CAN WE TELL WHAT THESE, UM, WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE IN THIS AREA.
BUT WHATEVER THE IMPACT IS, IT'S CLEAR THAT WHOEVER COMES TO DO THAT WILL HAVE TO SPEND THE TIME TO ACTUALLY PRODUCE PLANTS THAT WILL MEET THE CONDITIONS OF THE CITY.
AND, AND IN FACT, EVENTUALLY ADOT OR SOMEBODY ELSE MAY POSE ON HOW TO GET GOING ANYWAY.
I THINK THEREFORE WE SHOULD, I SHOULD SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL.
AND I FULLY BELIEVE THAT WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS REALLY WORTH THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND OF THIS PLANNING COMMISSION.
I HAVE, UH, KIND OF WASHED THIS PROCESS FROM THE SIDELINE.
AND I THINK WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS THE FIRST STEP FOR SOMEBODY TO DEVELOP THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED SOMEDAY.
YOU GUYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IN PLACE TO TODAY OR IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS THAT CAN GUARANTEE WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY TODAY.
THE ONE 90 IS NOT REALISTIC, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS A DEVELOPER WILL LOOK AT THAT, THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, AND THEN THEY WILL DECIDE, WHAT CAN WE DO HERE? YOU GUYS STILL, THE CITY OF SEDONA STILL HOLDS ALL THE KEYS TO WHAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED THERE.
BUT WITHOUT THIS FIRST STEP IN PLACE, NOBODY WILL TAKE THE TIME OR EXPENSE TO COME THROUGH HERE.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO WONDER WHAT IF RIGHT NOW WE CAN PUT SOME PARAMETERS ON THERE THAT WILL MAKE SOMEBODY EITHER COME OR NOT COME AND WE STILL HAVE THE KEYS.
AND YOU STILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY.
THIS LANDMARK DESIGNATION WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO KNOW BEFORE THEY STARTED, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN THREE OR FOUR INSTANCES WHERE THEY TRIED TO DETERMINE, IS THIS A LANDMARK PROPERTY? AND THEY WERE TOLD NO, IT IS NOT.
SO I'M NOT SURE WE'D BE HERE TODAY IF IT WAS DESIGNATED PROPERLY IN THE PAST.
I'M GLEN WALBRIDGE AT 2 6 5 ME.
SO I'M DIRECTLY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OF BORDERING IT.
IF JIM AND SUE YOUNG WERE IN CHARGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY, TOTALLY.
UH, I REALLY TRUST THEM A LOT.
BUT AS SARAH SAID, I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF CONTROL.
UH, I THOUGHT WE WERE IN POSITION WHERE THE CITY WOULD HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL OVER OVER THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT RESEARCH HAS SHOWN ME THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE.
SO I'M KIND OF LEFT IN THIS POSITION NOW WHERE I'M NOT REALLY WILLING TO SUPPORT THE REZONING UNLESS, AS THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE ME SAID THERE WAS SOME WAY THAT THERE WOULD BE A SERIES OF, UH, MEETINGS THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THE PROPOSAL IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT WAS MORE CLARIFIED.
'CAUSE IT'S SO VAGUE NOW THAT IT FRIGHTENS ME TO SAY THE LEAST.
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BEN ZKO, BENZIGER,ACTUALLY, IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE I, I'M A NEIGHBOR OF GLEN'S AND I'D LIKE TO SECOND HIS OPINION IS WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSING IS WHAT WE ARE BUYING IS A PIG IN A POLK.
WOULD YOU A PIG IN A POKE? EXCUSE ME SIR.
WHAT THE HELL IS GONNA HAPPEN? SIR, I WANTED TO INTERRUPT YOU.
WOULD YOU BE OKAY? SORRY ABOUT THAT.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO JUST LIFT YOUR MASK DOWN WHILE YOU'RE SPEAKING? I CAN'T MAKE, AND THEN PULL THE MIC DOWN.
WE ARE BY, I THINK THE CURRENT PROPOSAL WHERE WE JUST DO A ZONE CHANGE IS BUYING A PIG AND A POKE.
WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN.
THERE COULD BE FOR ALL WE KNOW LUXURY APARTMENTS.
THERE COULD BE AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS.
THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO GUARANTEE AND I DON'T LIKE THAT.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A CONCRETE PROPOSAL.
THE SECOND THING IS THE TRAFFIC.
I THINK NOBODY HAS REALLY CAREFULLY THOUGHT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
IT IS CURRENTLY MADOL IS UNDRIVABLE FOR HEAVY TRAFFIC.
TRANQUIL, IF THEY WANT TO CONNECT IT IS NOT GONNA BE TRANQUIL ANYMORE.
SO I THINK IT'S TRAFFIC HAS TO BE SERIOUSLY STUDIED IN MUCH MORE DETAIL THAN WHAT HAS BEEN DONE SO FAR.
MY NAME'S KEVIN ZOLLINGER AND I LIVE ON CRIMSON VIEW IN SAN, UM, IN SEDONA.
AND I'M ALSO, UH, THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA BOARD OF DIRECTORS, UM, FOR SEDONA.
SO MUCH OF WHAT I'M SAYING IS OPINIONS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED TO ME BY, UM, OUR MEMBERS AS WELL.
AND I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE WE HAVE HERE IS WHAT'S BEEN REITERATED HERE, AND I WON'T GO IN TOO MUCH DETAIL ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SAID.
IS THE RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT JUST BE, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS LAUDABLE.
I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE TO THAT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVERY IDEA IS THE RIGHT IDEA IN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND THIS REALLY COMES ACROSS FEELING LIKE IT'S PUTTING A ROUND A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.
AND WHETHER THAT THIS HIGH DENSITY REZONING REALLY FITS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE IN, IN TRYING TO, UM, UM, ADDRESS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUE, BUT THE IMPACT POTENTIAL ON THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO THE NEIGHBORS, UH, THAT ARE DIRECTLY AROUND.
THIS IS JUST REALLY A RISK THAT IS VERY CONCERNING TO PEOPLE.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE, UM, ON THIS THAT COULD TRY TO BE ADDRESSED.
BUT GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THIS PARCEL AROUND ALL THE CURRENT SINGLE FAMILY, UH, ZONING, UH, RESIDENTS HERE IS A RISK.
THE TRAFFIC THAT WE TALKED ABOUT SPILLING OUT INTO 89, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO TO THOSE ROADS AND ADDRESSING IT, I THINK EVERYBODY IS HERE, IS SEEING THE TYPE OF CONGESTION THAT CAN HAPPEN BETWEEN RODEO AND ANTE.
NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC SPILLING OUT TO IT, OR IT'S GONNA BE SPILLING OUT ON TRANQUIL ONTO ANTE, WHICH IS NOT A VERY BIG ROAD.
AND IT'S BEING CONGESTED A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE WALKWAY THAT'S BEING PUT IN THAT AREA.
THOSE THINGS ARE ALL A LOT OF CONCERN THAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
SO WITH REGARDS TO THAT, OUR COMMUNITY, MYSELF, YOU KNOW, REALLY HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THE RISK THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, OF GOING ALONG WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE REZONING.
UH, GEORGE HALL HAVE, GO AHEAD, SUE ON THIS.
HI, I'M GEORGE HALL AND, UH, MY WIFE OWNS A HOUSE THAT I LIVE IN ON TWO 40 MEDU ROAD.
AND WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR, UH, 14 YEARS.
AND, UH, I'M, I WAS BORN IN TUCSON IN 1950, IF YOU CAN BELIEVE THAT.
SO
AND THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT ROAD.
IT WORKS JUST FINE THE WAY IT IS.
AND IF IT GETS MONGERED UP BY A BIG DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S GONNA BE SO MUCH TRAFFIC AND IT'S GOING TO UTTERLY DESTROY OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOW, AS FAR AS MEDU ROAD, THERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT HAPPENED THE OTHER DAY.
SOMEWHERE SOMEBODY DEPOSITED 44 RED ROCKS RIGHT BESIDE THE UTILITY POOL AND ELIMINATED TWO EMERGENCY PARKING PLACES.
NOW THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE A
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LADY FELL OFF OF HER BICYCLE AND CALLED AN AMBULANCE A FEW WEEKS BACK AND THE AMBULANCE HAD NO PLACE TO PARK.THEY HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO BLOCK THE ROAD, WHICH THEY DID.
AND ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WAS COMING HOME AND THEY WERE DELAYED FOR A HALF AN HOUR.
NOW, BECAUSE OF THOSE ROCKS HAS HAVE BLOCKED OFF AN EMERGENCY PARKING SPACE, THAT MEANS THERE WAS NO PLACE FOR A SECOND EMERGENCY VEHICLE TO PASS.
IF THERE WAS A HOUSE FIRE OR A HEART ATTACK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF MEDU, THEY WOULD'VE HAD TO WAIT FOR A HALF AN HOUR AND THAT COULD HAVE BEEN FATAL.
SO MEDU ROAD IS A PROBLEM, IS A PRIVATE, UH, ROAD OF COURSE.
AND THAT CREATES A BUNCH OF OTHER PROBLEMS. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY.
YOU KNOW WHO MAINTAINS IT? I'M ONE OF THE CUSTODIANS BECAUSE I LIVE THERE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS GOES OUT AND POT FIXES POTHOLES AND I GAVE HIM SOME ASPHALT STUFF, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE COLLECTED TRASH AND ALL THIS SORT OF THING.
BUT THAT'S PART OF THE LIVING, YOU KNOW, AS BEING A COMMUNITY.
THIS PROJECT, YOU'RE USING AFFORDABLE PROJECT HOUSING AS AN ESCAPE AND EXCUSE FOR ONE THING AND ONE THING ONLY.
'CAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE THE PROPERTY VALUE SEESAW.
YOUR PROPERTIES ARE GONNA GO UP IN VALUE AND ALL OF OURS ARE GONNA GO DOWN AND NOBODY'S GONNA WANNA LIVE ON A THOROUGHFARE.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO TURN THIS NEIGHBOR INTO.
UM, JUDY, PULL THAT MIC DOWN TO YOU.
UM, THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, I DON'T THINK REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS BECAUSE MAYBE THAT CODE SHOULD BE CHANGED.
MAYBE WE HAVE TOO MANY SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE, IN THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, LOOK AT OUR HOUSING A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
AND THEN, UM, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, IS THERE REALLY ANYTHING WRONG WITH A, A MANUFACTURED HOME, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS HUGE GROWTH SMASHED INTO A SMALL PLACE WHERE YOU CAN'T EVEN DRIVE? THEN I HAVE ONE OTHER THING HERE AND, UM, THIS, I RESPECT EVERYBODY HERE AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR THE CITY, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A LAW OR A STATUTE THAT SAYS THAT A CITY OR THE STATE CAN CHANGE ZONING.
I LIVE AT TWO 70 MENDO FOR 25 YEARS, AND MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS SAID THE SAME KIND OF THINGS THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT OUR WAY OF LIFE.
AND IF YOU DID WALK UP THERE, IT'S THIS COOL LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD ALMOST REMOVED FROM THE REST OF SEDONA WILDLIFE EVERYWHERE.
AND, UM, THAT PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S BEEN LISTED ON ZELLA FOR EIGHT OR $9 MILLION FOR YEARS NOW, THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO SELL IT.
AND YOU'LL GET MORE MONEY IF YOU CAN GET THE ZONING SWITCH AND PUT A 200 UNIT APARTMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE BUILDING OF IT, AND THE WHOLE THING THAT COMES WITH IT WOULD JUST RUIN OUR WAY OF LIFE.
LIKE GEORGE SAID, PROPERTY DOWN, UH, VALUES WOULD SINK.
IT WOULD JUST CHANGE EVERYTHING UP THERE.
AND THAT'S ALL THE CARDS I HAVE.
SO I'LL CLOSE THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION AND COMMENTS.
CAN I ASK KURT A QUESTION? WHAT'S THAT? YEAH, OF COURSE.
KURT, I JUST CORRECT ME IF I AM IF I'M WRONG, BUT THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT, UH, IF WE APPROVE THIS, THEN IT'LL COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WILL NOT COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION, AND THE PUBLIC THAT'S HERE TONIGHT WILL NOT HAVE A VOICE LIKE THEY HAVE TONIGHT BECAUSE OF WHAT OUR STATE JUST DID, WHICH IS SO UNDEMOCRATIC.
THEY, THEY'VE SAID, UH, THAT THERE'LL BE NO MORE HEARINGS LIKE THIS.
UM, AND, UH, THAT MAKES IT REAL DIFFICULT TO PASS SOMETHING WHEN WE HAVE NO VOICE IN WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.
UH, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS AND COMMISSIONER HURST, THE STATE PASSED, UH, A LAW THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT REMOVED
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DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, UH, FROM PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS AND PROHIBITED ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS ON DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.SO BEGINNING DECEMBER 31ST AND GOING FORWARD, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WILL JUST BE A STAFF LED PROJECT.
NOTICE WILL STILL GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND THEY'LL STILL BE ABLE TO SEND THEIR INPUT INTO THE CITY STAFF.
UH, BUT IT WILL NO LONGER COME BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
UH, SO YES, THE CITY HAS A LOT OF CONTROL, UM, ON REZONES.
UH, LIKE THIS, REZONES WILL STILL COME TO CITY COUNCIL.
UH, BUT ONCE A PROPERTY GETS ITS, UH, ZONING RIGHTS, UH, THEN THERE'S NOT MUCH CONTROL FOR THE CITY ANYMORE.
SO IF IT MEETS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, MEETS THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS AND IT CAN BE BUILT, UM, AS LONG AS IT MEETS THOSE REQUIREMENTS, THERE'S NO LONGER ANY TYPE OF NEGOTIATION OR DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC BENEFITS OR COMMUNITY BENEFITS OR WHAT'S BEST FOR THE, THE CITY ANYMORE ONCE IT HAS THOSE ZONING RIGHTS.
UH, AND THEN JUST TO ADDRESS A COUPLE COMMENTS, THE CITY'S PROHIBITED FROM LIMITING SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS THE COMMISSION'S WELL AWARE ALSO BECAUSE OF STATE LAW.
AND THEN STATE LAW, A RS 9 4 62 ALLOWS THE CITY TO REZONE TO DO MUNICIPAL REZONES COMMENTS.
THE LAST PART, NOT KNOW, EXCUSE ME.
WE, WE CAN'T DO CROSSTALK FROM THE AUDIENCE UP TO THE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY.
DID YOU WANNA ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? YES.
WELL, WE, UM, THAT'S, UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY CLOSED THE PUBLIC FORUM.
SO THAT OPPORTUNITY HAS, HAS PASSED.
AND LUKE WE'RE WHEN A, UM, OKAY.
I AGREE WITH WILL THAT THE RECENT ARIZONA LAW, UM, MAKES THIS HARDER FOR, I, FOR ME, I WON'T SPEAK FOR THE REST OF US, FOR ME, IN THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER DEVELOPMENT AFTER THIS MOMENT, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED MY ORIGINAL QUESTION OF HOW OFTEN DO WE SEE REZONES WITHOUT DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM
UM, SO EVEN BEFORE THIS, IT WAS RARE.
SO I, I THINK, I WISH I COULD BE AS ELOQUENT AND SPEAK THE WAY SARAH DID, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO A LOT OF THAT.
AND THROWING IN THE COMPONENT OF THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THIS HOUSE, WHICH I FEEL LIKE WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED, PUTS A LOT, PUTS UP SOME CONCERN.
WE HAVE VERY FEW HOMES IN SEDONA THAT ARE HISTORICAL LANDMARK.
I'M SURE I COULD BE TOLD HOW MANY, UM MM-HMM
BUT I THINK THAT'S JUST NOT, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
UM, NOR DO I FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH ENOUGH CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO GUARANTEE THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD BE GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND MEET THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE DETAIL THAT WOULD HA WE'D HAVE TO GET INTO TO FIND IT.
IT MAY MAKE YOUR LAND UNSELLABLE IF WE WERE TO COME UP WITH EVERY SINGLE POTENTIAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WE WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT, THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY TALK ABOUT DURING DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
SO IT'S, THIS IS, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME.
I REALLY WISH SOMEONE COULD TELL ME ABOUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT OR THE FUTURE USE MAP IN GREAT DETAIL,
UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN OPTION.
UH, SO THAT'S KIND OF JUST MY THOUGHTS POST COMMENT.
AND I THINK THAT THE HISTORIC IS A BIG PIECE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE LEARNING ABOUT NOW.
AND I MEAN, IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, SEDONAS CORE VALUES, ONE OF THE, THE NUMBER ONE GUIDING PRINCIPLE LISTED IS PROTECT AND HONOR OUR ENVIRONMENT AND HERITAGE.
SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A BOTH SITUATION.
SO I, I REALLY, I MIMIC, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID AS WELL.
I WISH WE HAD, YOU KNOW, MORE TIME TO MASSAGE WHAT THESE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THAT WOULD BE MORE SUPPORTIVE.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
SO, CHARLOTTE, I WISH WE HAD A DIFFERENT, UM, ZONING REQUEST
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS WHAT IT IS YOU'VE PROPOSED.
AND, UM, I, I LIKE EVERYTHING YOU SAID, COLLIE AND I, I'M SORRY, I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
IT MAY BE THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY.
IT MAY BE OTHER ASPECTS OF THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY REPRESENTING THE PUBLIC TO INCREASE THE MARKETABILITY OF YOUR PROPERTY BY, YOU KNOW, HAVING A REZONING WITHOUT A SPECIFIC PLAN.
UM, IT JUST, IT'S KIND OF CHICKEN AND EGG AND I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION WITH THAT.
BUT, UM, THIS PROPERTY WILL GET DEVELOPED.
IT'S TOO LARGE, IT'S TOO WELL SITUATED.
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UM, IT'S A GREAT PROPERTY.UM, BUT IT'S, AT THIS POINT, I'M, THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY UNKNOWNS.
THE DENSITY IS AN UNKNOWN TO ME.
I KNOW THERE ARE CONSTRAINTS WITH THE DRAINAGE AND, AND SETBACKS AND SO FORTH, BUT THERE, THAT STILL LEAVES A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM THERE.
UM, PARTICULARLY IF YOU GET INTO THE AFFORDABILITY, UM, SIZE, THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO.
SO TO ME, THE HOUSING, THE LAND USE OF CIRCULATION ARE ALL STILL UNKNOWNS.
AND I DON'T THINK I CAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE READY TO SAY THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT A ZONING TO RM THREE.
UM, AND I'M SORRY IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GOTTEN THE RUN AROUND.
WE HAVE, BUT THAT'S BESIDES THE POINT.
HAVE YOU EXCUSE ME, MR. SPINEL, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSION UP HERE OKAY.
AND NOT BACK AND FORTH RIGHT NOW.
I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A COMMENT.
AS A, I THINK A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, I'M A BIG ADVOCATE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND, AND HOUSING THAT IS OBTAINABLE BY THE FOLKS THAT, YOU KNOW, WORK IN SEDONA OR THEIR, THEIR CHILDREN THAT ARE BECOMING ADULTS, THAT THEY HAVE A PLACE TO STAY.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS OR COLLEGE STUDENTS COMING BACK TO SEDONA AND BRINGING THEIR EXPERTISE BACK TO OUR CITY.
YOU KNOW, I'M A HUGE ADVOCATE FOR THAT, VERY STRONG ADVOCATE FOR THAT.
BUT I HAVE TO DEFINITELY AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
BUT WILL REALLY POINTED OUT A VERY IMPORTANT POINT THAT WITH THE NEW STATE LEGISLATURE AND THE LAWS THAT HAVE PASSED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON DEVELOPING SUCH A LARGE LAND, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE ZONING, WE WOULD NOT, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO, WITH THAT IN MIND, EVEN THOUGH I'M A BIG FAN OF MAKING MORE LAND AVAILABLE FOR HOUSING AND THIS UNKNOWN OF WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, I AGAIN AGREE WITH MOST OF MY COMMISSIONERS HERE THAT I, I'M, I KNOW YOU PUT A LOT OF WORK IN AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT AT THIS TIME IT'S, I'M JUST UNCOMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
I AGREE WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER ZANEY, THE, UM, THE, WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE IS FALLS SHORT IN THE AREAS OF HOUSING, LAND USE AND CIRCULATION.
AND I'M SORRY, YOU WERE ADVISED TO BRING A REZONING FORWARD WITHOUT A, WITHOUT A PROJECT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO EVALUATE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT BEFORE US.
EVEN WITH YOUR ASSERTIONS AND YOUR TRUE BELIEF IN WANTING TO FIND THE RIGHT BUYER TO DEVELOP SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WITH NO CONTOUR TO THAT PLAN, WITH NO DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN FRONT OF US, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO, UH, FOR ME TO SUPPORT YOUR REQUEST.
UM, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT NOW? COULD BRING A QUESTION.
MAY I, MAY I BRING A QUESTION? DO YOU HAVE A CLOSING COMMENT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE.
THE, THE, THE QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, IF WE WERE JUST NOW AT, IN THE, THE LEVEL OF, OF ZONING WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN FOR THE CITY IN THE SENSE OF WE COULD BRING A PROPOSAL TO YOU THAT WOULD HAVE 36 HOMES.
THEY COULD BE UP TO SOMETHING LIKE SEVEN OR 8,000 FEET HOMES IF I'M, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE ZONING CORRECTLY.
THEY WOULD, WE WOULD NOT NEED TO DO ANYTHING IN TERMS OF THE SHARED USE PATH.
WE WOULD NOT NEED TO DO ANYTHING IN TERMS OF LIMITING SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT'S NOT A VERY PRETTY PICTURE.
I'M NOT GONNA SPECULATE ON WHICH IS BETTER.
UM, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UM, CONTINUE TO SEARCH FOR THE RIGHT DEVELOPER.
MAY I SUGGEST, UM, WE TABLE THIS SO I CAN GO BACK WITH ALL YOUR COMMENTS AND DISCUSS HOW WE'LL MOVE FORWARD? OR IF WE WILL? YOU MEAN BEFORE WE CALL FOR A MOTION? YEAH.
JUST CALL FOR IT TO BE TABLED TILL A FUTURE DATE.
IS THAT SO HOLD ON JUST A MINUTE.
LET ME CONSULT WITH OUR ATTORNEY.
WE'RE WE'RE, UM, THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM FOR US THIS EVENING.
UM, SO YOU'RE ASKING THAT WE DON'T TAKE ACTION?
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YES.SO I CAN TAKE BACK COMMENTS AND TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
I, I'M GONNA, I, I APPRECIATE ALL THE INPUT THOUGH.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO GET YES.
SO IT'S ALL VALUABLE INFORMATION'S OVERALL ALL SURE.
LET'S SEE WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY SAYS.
SO, UH, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO POSTPONE THIS TO ANOTHER MEETING.
UM, BUT WE ARE RUNNING UP INTO OUR, OUR STATE DEADLINE MANDATED DEADLINE.
AND SO WE, IT HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL STILL.
AND, AND GENERALLY WE'D PREFER HAVING MORE TIME AT COUNCIL IF NECESSARY THAN AT THE PNC STAGE.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT IS UP TO, UH, THE COMMISSION'S, UM, PURVIEW AND THEY CAN DO SO IF THEY WANTED TO.
SO IF IT WERE TO, UM, IF WE WERE TO CHOOSE NOT TO TAKE ACTION TONIGHT, WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES TO THE, THE APPLICANT IF YOU DON'T TAKE IT? I MEAN, IT CAN JUST, WE'RE WE'RE ASKING IN TERMS OF THE TIMING.
WE'RE ASKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION FROM P AND Z.
UM, IF WE RAN UP INTO THE TIMEFRAME, WE'D GO TO, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT P AND Z'S RECOMMENDATION.
BUT PREFERABLY WE HAVE A, A YAY OR NAY FROM P AND Z BEFORE WE GO TO HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL FOR THE STATE LAW TIMEFRAMES.
AND WHAT IS YOUR RATIONALE FOR ASKING US TO, UM, STAY ANY DECISION MAKING? WELL, I MEAN, I WANT TO TAKE YOUR INFORMATION THAT YOU GUYS, YOUR CONCERNS, TALK TO THE, THE OWNERS MM-HMM
AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME THINGS HERE IN A SHORT TIME THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPLICABLE TO YOUR CONCERNS.
WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU WOULD COME UP WITH AN ENTIRE, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN IF THAT'S WHAT YOU, YOU WANT AS A SITE PLAN.
I'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW FAST WE CAN DO IT, BUT THAT MAY BE THE OTHER ISSUE.
BUT, UM, BUT YEAH, IT GIVES US A CHANCE.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS, I'VE HEARD YOUR CONCERNS OR MM-HMM.
'CAUSE THERE'S OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE TOO.
SO IT'S GOOD TO HEAR WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT BACK, TALK WITH THE CLIENT, SEE IF THEY WANT TO GO THAT DIRECTION, OR THEY JUST WANNA, UM, WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION CHAIR LEVIN.
IF EVEN IF WE DO VOTE TONIGHT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT OUR VOTE, IT GOES TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL COULD HEAR NEW INFORMATION.
I ROB, UM, IN MY, IN MY CAREER OF PRACTICING ARCHITECTURE, I WENT FOR MANY ZONING CHANGES AND ZONING CHANGE WAS NOT PREFACED ON A DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS IF THEY PRESENT A PROJECT THAT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND SETBACKS, UH, THIS, THIS COUNCIL CANNOT EXCEED THE SETBACKS WE CAN HOPE FOR TO RECOMMEND IT.
BUT THE SETBACKS ARE THE SETBACKS.
SO IF THEY BRING A PROJECT, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT MEETS ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS MM-HMM
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT APPROVAL WOULD TYPICALLY BE MADE.
SO I, IN THIS CASE, DID THEY, UM, IS, IS, DOES CARRIE, DOES THE CITY REQUIRE A SITE PLAN, DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWING ALL THE LAYOUT TO GET A ZONING CHANGE? IT'S NOT REQUIRED.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, A ZONING DECISION IS UP TO THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL.
AND SO THAT IS TYPICALLY HOW THEY'VE BEEN PRESENTED IN THE PAST.
AND I DID DRIVE THROUGH PINON LOFTS AND PINON LOFTS IS THE DENSITY MM-HMM
THAT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED AT RM THREE.
UM, PERSONALLY I THINK, UH, HIGHER DENSITY IS OKAY.
I THINK THE RM THREE IS, IS PUSHING THE LIMITS OF, OF THAT.
AND IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THEY STATED IT'S, I I FOUND IN YOUR STATEMENT YOU HAD 196 UNITS IS WHAT YOU PROJECTED.
SO MY, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE, UH, LESS THAN RM THREE.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK COMMENT.
I ACTUALLY HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT WAS ALL SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
AND I THINK IT'S JUST REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T MAKE A DECISION BASED UPON FEAR.
THAT WE MAKE A DECISION BASED UPON WHAT WE HOPE IT TO BE AND IN THE WAY THAT WE CAN GUIDE IT IN THE MOST RESPONSIBLE WAY.
SO I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AND I JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE TO KIND OF, SORT OF INVOKE A FEAR RESPONSE OF WHAT IT COULD BE.
AND THEREFORE WE SHOULDN'T DO THIS.
I DON'T REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
AND IT'S, WE, WE TRY AND BE VERY MINDFUL AND WE ALL LOOK AT THIS THROUGH DIFFERENT LENSES AND WE CALL COME FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND WE TRY AND COLLABORATIVE, YOU KNOW, COLLECTIVELY PUT OUR BRAINS TOGETHER TO COME TO A
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VERY MINDFUL DECISION WHEN WE CAN.AND IT'S JUST WE CAN'T MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON FEAR OF WHAT IT COULD BE.
THE HOPE IS THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND MAKE IT THE BEST PROJECT WE CAN FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION UP HERE? YES.
WE'RE NOT
IS THERE A CONSENSUS ABOUT TABLING OR DO WE NEED TO MAKE THE MOTION AND VOTE ON IT OR SEE, OR WOULD IT BE A CONTINUANCE? A CONTINUANCE? I, I DIDN'T HEAR ANY CONSENSUS ABOUT TABLING THIS.
I'M NOT INTERESTED TO TAKE TABLE.
I, I THINK, I THINK TAKING ACTION, UH, AND THEN MAKE AND MAKING THAT REFERRAL TO CITY COUNCIL IS THE ROUTE.
ROUTE WE SHOULD TAKE NEW INFORMATION CAN BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL.
TAKING IN CONSIDERATION THE TIMELINE THAT WE KNOW IS, IS COMING UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO MEET.
UM, THIS IS I MOVE TO RECOMMEND TO THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL DENIAL OF THE PROPOSED ZONING REQUEST AS SET FORTH IN CASE NUMBER PZ 24 DASH 0 0 0 1 8 ZONE CHANGE, TRANQUIL RIGBY ME ZONE CHANGE BASED ON LACK OF COMPLIANCE WITH ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, INCONSISTENCY WITH THE SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN, TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, GO SEDONA PATHWAYS PLAN CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROVAL AS SPECIFIED IN LDC SECTIONS 8.3 AND 8.6.
AND FAILURE TO SATISFY THE ZONE CHANGE FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ACCOMPANYING EXHIBITS WHICH STAFF REPORT AND EXHIBITS ARE HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.
OH WAIT, WE NEED A MOTION ON THE CP.
JUST WANT TO BE SURE I'M WRITING THE RIGHT ONE.
SO, UM, I MOVE FOR DENIAL OF CASE NUMBER PC 2 4 0 0 0 1 8 CUP TRANQUIL RIGBY OLE BASED ON LACK OF COMPLIANCE WHILE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC SECTIONS 8.3 AND 8.4, AND FAILURE TO SATISFY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ACCOMPANYING EXHIBITS WHICH STAFF REPORT AND EXHIBITS ARE HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
SO THIS WILL GO TO COUNCIL, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW QUICKLY WE, WOULD IT BE NEXT MONTH OR WOULD IT BE IN NOVEMBER DO YOU THINK? WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH STAFF NOVEMBER ON THAT DATE.
BUT I LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSION AND THEIR BRUTAL HONESTY.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF WANT TO HEAR.
'CAUSE WE'RE OUT HERE AND I CAN'T NECESSARILY HAVE OFF SIGNING CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
'CAUSE WE HAVE, UM, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO WORK AT FINDING SOLUTIONS FOR HOUSING.
AND IT'S GOOD TO KNOW WHAT SOME OF THE, YOUR CONCERNS ARE THAT WE CAN, UH, BETTER ADDRESS AHEAD OF TIME.
DID WE HAVE A, WE DIDN'T HAVE AN A UNANIMOUS, UM, VOTE ON THE, NO ZONING ON THE FIRST MOTION.
AND DO WE KNOW WHO VOTED? WHO VOTED? ROB.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING MORE YOU WANTED TO SAY? NOPE.
I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YEAH, THANK YOU.
MR. HELPS ANYTHING YOU CAN HELP, HELP STAFF AND US TOO, SO THANK YOU.
WE CLOSE THAT ITEM NOW AND MOVE TO
[7. Discussion/possible action regarding amendments to the Planning and Zoning Commission Rules and Procedures]
NUMBER SEVEN, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AMENDMENTS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RULES AND PROCEDURES.DOES THE COMMISSION NEED A FIVE MINUTE BREAK OR ARE WE GOOD TO CONTINUE? OKAY.
LET'S WAIT TILL THE ROOM CLEARS OUT.
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EXCEPT FOR DAD.HE'S YOUR RIDE HOME OR YOU'RE HIS RIDE HOME? NO, HE FOLLOWED ME IN CASE HE GOT BORED.
HOW COULD HE BE BORED? CARRIE, DO YOU WANNA INTRODUCE THIS TOPIC? UM, SURE.
UM, THIS WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT AT THE REQUEST OF THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW, UM, THE OPERATING RULES AND PROCEDURES.
UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, AS A RESPONSE TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE CHANGES AND WHETHER TWO MEETINGS A MONTH WOULD STILL BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE COMMISSION.
WE PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU ABOUT THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS YOU'VE HAD OVER THE LAST YEAR.
THANK DAYMAR OUR, OUR NEW DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ASSISTANT FOR GOING BACK AND LOOKING THROUGH ALL THE AGENDAS AND MINUTES AND MM-HMM
FIGURING OUT WHAT WAS ON EACH AGENDA AND HOW MANY WE HAD.
UM, SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE IN YOUR AGENDA OR YOUR STAFF REPORT, STAFF MEMO, WHATEVER THIS IS CALLED.
UM, AND THE, THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS YOU HAVE IS SET BY YOUR RULES AND PROCEDURES, WHICH IS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CAN RECOMMEND CHANGES TO THOSE.
AND SO IF YOU DECIDE TO RECOMMEND CHANGES, WE WOULD TAKE THOSE TO PLANNING TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, SO THAT'S THE INTRODUCTION.
WELL, I APPRECIATE THE RESEARCH WAS THAT WAS DONE BECAUSE I THINK IT MADE IT, UM, YOU ENABLED US TO BE ABLE TO SEE IF THERE'S, UM, UH, UH, A NOTE, A NOTABLE PATTERN IN THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY GET TOGETHER AND ALSO, UM, HOW THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WOULD BE SHIFTED OUT OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES.
UM, AND YOU'VE SUGGESTED THAT BASED ON THE WORKLOAD FROM THOSE PREVIOUS YEARS, UM, THAT YOU COULD SUPPORT GOING TO ONE MEETING A MONTH.
I THINK THE NUMBERS ARE THAT YOU'VE AVERAGED ABOUT ONE MEETING A MONTH.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY WITH TWO MEETINGS SCHEDULED IS NOT ALWAYS THE FIRST OR THE THIRD TUESDAY.
BUT YOU KNOW, AS COMMISSIONERS WITH THAT SCHEDULE, YOU DO HAVE TO LEAVE THAT POTENTIALLY OPEN AND LET YOU KNOW YOUR VACATION SCHEDULES ON FOR ALL THE TIME.
UM, AND, BUT YEAH, SO WELL, AND IT DOES AFFECT THREE PARTIES, STAFF, THE COMMISSION AND THE DEVELOPER.
AND SO, UM, I MEAN THERE'S AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THAT THE DEVELOPER MIGHT LOSE A MONTH'S CYCLE WITH, UM, WHICH IS WORTH NOTING.
HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT MONTH CYCLE.
HOWEVER, IF AN IMPELLER APP APPRO DOES AN APPEAL, THEY HAVE 15 DAYS TO HEAR, FOR US TO HEAR THE APPEAL.
ISN'T THAT WHAT WE PASSED IT LAST WEEK, LAST TWO WEEKS AGO WAS A 15 DAY THING? NO.
SO THE WAY APPEALS WORK IS ONCE A DECISION IS MADE, OKAY.
UM, A AN AGGRIEVED PARTY HAS 15 DAYS TO FILE AN APPEAL.
ONCE AN APPEAL IS FILED, WE WOULD SCHEDULE FOR THE NEXT AVAILABLE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE, THE NOTICING PROCESS FOR THAT APPEAL.
AND SO IT WOULDN'T BE THAT THE APPEAL NEEDS TO BE HEARD WITHIN 15 DAYS.
IT'S THE AGGRIEVED PARTY HAS TO FILE THEIR APPEAL WITHIN 15 DAYS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET IN TROUBLE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT AVAILABLE.
UH, CHAIR, COMMISSIONER, I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF SMALL CITIES THAT THE P AND Z COMMISSION ONLY MEETS ONCE A MONTH AS A REGULAR SCHEDULE.
UM, THERE IS STILL, AND THE, THE RULE IS AN OPTION TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING IF WE EVER NEEDED TO.
SO IF SOMETHING WAS REALLY URGENT, THEN WE COULD SCHEDULE SOMETHING.
I THINK FOR EXAMPLE, COTTONWOOD ONLY MEETS ONCE A MONTH.
SO IS THERE INTEREST, UM, WE BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE OF THE, UH, STATE LAW CHANGES MM-HMM
WILL, IS THERE, UM, CONSENSUS ON GOING TO ONE MEETING UP HERE? CAN I ASK, I, I'M INTERESTED, BUT CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YEAH.
SAY WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING MM-HMM
UM, WHAT'S THE, I'M TRYING TO PUT AN IDEA ON THE HOURS OF WORKLOAD SAVED FOR STAFF VERSUS A MONTH OF COST FOR DEVELOPER.
WE WON'T HAVE LIKE TRUE NUMBERS TO THAT.
BUT IS IT JUST THE CANCELLATION NOTICE THAT BASICALLY GETS CHANGED? WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT ONCE A MONTH OR IS THERE MORE BACKGROUND WORK? I AM UNAWARE OF? NO.
CANCELLATIONS ARE FAIRLY SIMPLE.
I, I, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED.
I'M MORE LOOKING FOR LIKE, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOURS OF POTENTIAL STAFF WORKLOAD SAVED BY MINIMIZING THIS? I UNDERSTAND IT'S CONVENIENT FOR US TO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANOTHER TUESDAY UP UNTIL TWO, I'D SAY WE'D SAVE ABOUT 10 MINUTES OF STAFF TIME IF WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A CANCELLATION.
SO MAYBE, MAYBE 15 MINUTES
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AND I MEAN, THAT'S JUST BLOCKED OUT ON ALL OF OUR CALENDARS EVERY TWO WEEKS.SO FOR EXAMPLE, VOLUNTEER TO DO SOMETHING ELSE ON ONE OF THE TUESDAYS
I, I THINK MY ONLY CONCERN IS ABOUT LIKE DEVELOPER MONTH DELAY.
LIKE SAY THEY MISSED THE DEADLINE BY ONE DAY AND THEN THEY WE'RE TWO MONTHS OUT FROM A MEETING.
THAT'S JUST LIKE, THAT'S A LOT INSTEAD OF ONE MONTH OUT, IT DO, IT DOUBLES THE WAIT TIME POTENTIAL FOR A ONE DAY MISS OF NOTICE WHICH HAPPENS.
LIKE PEOPLE ARE CUTTING THINGS TO THE WIRE IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING SMALL.
AGAIN, LIKE WE TRY TO WORK WITH DEVELOPERS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
WE TRY TO GIVE THEM AS MUCH HEADS UP AS WE CAN OF, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T TELL THEM TODAY THAT YOU HAVE TO GET SOMETHING TO BUY TOMORROW.
UM, TO MAKE THE MEETING MM-HMM
AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING IF NEEDED.
WELL, I ALSO ASSUME, SORRY IF IT'S, IF IT'S PROBLEMATIC, WE CAN CHANGE IT BACK.
BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE IDEA, I'M INTERESTED IN ONE MEETING A MONTH.
I THINK IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA, BUT I DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS LEGISLATION PASSING.
AND MAYBE THIS IS IN A CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW SO THAT WE GET A FEEL FOR OUR PEOPLE.
IS THERE A MOVEMENT TO, TO MAKE IT GO TO PLAYING AND ZONING? UM, SO I, I'M HESITANT TO MAKE THE CHANGE BEFORE WE KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME IS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, BUT WE DO KNOW WHAT THE LEGISLATURE IS REQUIRED OF CITIES NOW AND THAT'S A SHIFTING SHIFTING.
THAT'S A SHIFTING OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FROM THE COMMISSION TO STAFF.
WHAT HAPPENS IS ALMOST EVERY DEVELOPMENT REVIEW GOES TO APPEAL DOESN'T, I CAN RELY ON THE TALENT AND THE PAST, UM, WORK THAT THE STAFF HAS DONE FOR THIS COMMISSION TO KNOW THAT NOTHING WILL CHANGE IN THE QUALITY OF THEIR WORK.
UM, IT JUST TAKES US OUT OF THE LOOP IN A PUBLIC HEARING TO, TO DISCUSS IT AND TO EXPAND UPON IT IF WE SEE OTHER CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE WANNA PULL OUT.
BUT I THINK STAFF IS VERY KEEN TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AND, UM, AND IT, AND I, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE HAVING, UM, A SERIES OF APPEALS GO WHEN IT COMES OUT OF OUR HANDS.
IS THERE, SO ANYWAY, IT WOULD, I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH CHANGING 9.2 TO READ THAT.
IT'S, UM, UH, THAT WE, UH, THE MEETINGS OF THE COMMISSION SHALL BE, UH, HELD ON THE FIRST TUESDAY OF EACH MONTH.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE THAT'S REQUIRED.
THE REST OF IT ALL STAYS THE SAME, INCLUDING ABOUT EMERGENCY MEETINGS.
SO THAT WAY IT'S REAL CLEAR AS TO WHICH ONE IT IS.
IT HELPS STAFF PLAN, IT HELPS FAMILIES, PLAN HELPS PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING PLAN.
DOES STAFF HAVE A PREFERENCE? JUST HAVING ONE MEETING A MONTH? YEAH.
DOES, DOES STAFF HAVE A PREFERENCE? WHICH ONE WOULD BE EASIER? THE FIRST OR THE THIRD? NO.
IS THERE CONSENSUS ON, UM, LANDING ON THE FIRST TUESDAY? WHEN WOULD THIS BECOME EFFECTIVE? UM, OR DO WE NEED A MOTION? ELECTION DAY
IT'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST TUESDAY AFTER THE FIRST MONDAY.
THE TUESDAY AFTER THE FIRST MONDAY.
IF YOU WANNA GET TECHNICAL, THERE'S A LOT OF HOLIDAYS AROUND THE FIRST OF THE MONTH TOO.
IF YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WOULD, I THINK WE'D DO IT BY MOTION SO SOMEONE CAN MAKE A MOTION SECOND AND IF APPROVED BY MAJORITY OF COUNCIL, THEN I WOULD TAKE THAT CHANGE TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, TO APPROVE AND SO THEY COULD APPROVE IT OR NOT AS WELL SO THEY COULD REVIEW IT.
AND YEAH, NO SET TIMEFRAME ON THAT, BUT USUALLY WE'RE OPERATING A MONTH OUT, SO IF IT WAS MADE TODAY, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE FIRST MEETING IN YEAH.
I THINK THE LAST COUPLE HAVE BEEN DONE ON A CONSENT AGENDA, SO I DON'T KNOW IF OH, WE WOULD EVEN NEED TO COORDINATE, YOU KNOW, AN HOUR LONG DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL ON REAL CHANGES.
YOU THINK THAT'S WHAT HAS BEEN DONE? YEAH, MINOR ONE LIKE THIS.
UHHUH MAY OR MAY NOT, I MEAN WE WOULD, WE STAFF PROBABLY PROPOSE IT ON A CONSENT AGENDA AND COUNCIL COULD PULL IT.
I MEAN, WHAT HAPPENS IF IT IS AROUND A HOLIDAY? RIGHT.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM, WOULD THEN THAT BE A SPECIAL? YEAH, SO, SO FOR EXAMPLE, A COUPLE LAST IN AUGUST I THINK, UM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, THEY'RE MEETING, THEY MEET ONCE A MONTH ON THE SECOND MONDAY OF THE MONTH.
UM, I WAS, I DON'T, WAS I OUTTA TOWN OR THERE WAS SOMETHING WHERE I THINK MAYBE WE WERE BOTH, OH, WE HAD OTHER MEETINGS SCHEDULED
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THAT DAY.AND SO FOR THAT MONTH WE JUST, UM, CANCELED THAT MEETING AND SCHEDULED A SPECIAL MEETING THE FOLLOWING WEEK.
SO THEY WERE STILL ABLE TO MEET, UM, I MEAN THANKSGIVING'S ON A THURSDAY.
SO YEAH, SO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING WHERE THERE WASN'T A QUORUM AND WE DIDN'T WANNA WAIT A WHOLE NOTHER MONTH, WE WOULD POLL YOU AND DETERMINE A ANOTHER TIME THAT WOULD WORK FOR, FOR YOU AND SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING.
WILL YOU WANT YOUR IDEA? YEAH, YOUR IDEA.
SO YOU CAN CORRECT THIS IF IT'S NOT RIGHT, BUT I WOULD AMEND PLANNING ZONING.
WELL, I WOULD PROPOSE TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE AMEND THE PLANNING, ZONING, COMMISSION OPERATING RULES AND PROCEDURES OF CITY ORDINANCE 88 DASH SIX ARTICLE NINE MEETINGS, UH, THE FIRST SENTENCE IN ARTICLE IN 9.2.
AND WE WOULD CHANGE THE FIRST SENTENCE TO READ.
MEETINGS OF THE COMMISSION SHALL BE SCHEDULED ON THE FIRST TUESDAY OF EACH MONTH AT 4:30 PM AND EVERYTHING ELSE REMAIN THE SAME.
I SECOND, SECOND NOTE, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
OKAY, CLOSE THAT AGENDA ITEM AND GO ON TO NUMBER
[8. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS]
EIGHT, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. UM, SO ON OCTOBER 7TH WE HAVE TWO ITEMS SCHEDULED FOR THAT DATE.WE HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR THE BEST WESTERN EXPANSION IN UPTOWN.
UM, AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SHUTTLE PARKING LOT ON AT, UM, STATE ROUTE 1 79 IN BO STRING.
I GUESS I'M NOT, HUH? YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET AWAY WITH A LITTLE AGENDA
UM, WE HAVE DONE A SITE VISIT RECENTLY TO THE BEST WESTERN SITE.
DOES ANYBODY WANT ANOTHER ONE THERE? HAS ROB, ROB DIDN'T DO IT.
IT'S, IT'S JUST A BIG PARKING LOT, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, AND THEN I BELIEVE WHEN WE HAD THE SHUTTLE PARKING LOT HERE LAST TIME, YOU DID ASK FOR A SITE VISIT WHEN THIS CAME BACK SO WE CAN SCHEDULE THAT SITE VISIT IF THAT IS THE DESIRE OF THE COMMISSION.
IF, UM, IF THEY MARK THE, THE TREES.
WE'LL TALK TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
IT WASN'T QUITE AS HOT THIS MORNING AND THERE, I'M ASSUMING THEY COMING UP WITH THE DATA THAT WASN'T PROVIDED AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BE SENDING, UM, THE PACKET OUT AND WE ACTUALLY GET AN EXTRA WEEK BECAUSE THERE'S FIVE TUESDAYS IN SEPTEMBER, WHICH IS GREAT FOR MY SANITY RIGHT NOW,
UM, BUT THE UPDATES THAT THEY PROVIDED, UM, IS TOOK A LITTLE LONGER 'CAUSE WE DID HAVE A CHANGE IN THE TRANSIT ADMINISTRATOR, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING HER INVOLVED AND UP TO SPEED AND THE DATA THAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR.
SO THAT IS ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU SCROLL DOWN UNDER CITY INITIATED PROJECTS, THE SHUTTLE LOT, THERE IS SOME UPDATES THEY HAD.
UM, SO THEY ANSWERED, UM, YOU PROVIDED ANSWERS TO NUMBER OF THE QUESTIONS THEY PROVIDED, UM, AN UPDATED SITE PLAN AND SOME PHOTO RENDERINGS OF WHAT THE SITE WOULD, UM, LOOK LIKE WITH THE LANDSCAPING PLAN FROM 1 79.
YOU CAN START TAKING A LOOK THROUGH THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
COLIN, CAL, KERRY
SO DO I TALK TO CARRIE ABOUT CONNECTING AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF? UM, IF I'M NOT HUNGOVER,
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND VIRTUALLY YES.
JUST, UM, LET ME KNOW AND WE'LL GET THAT SET UP.
UM, AND THEN AS OF RIGHT NOW, I HAVE NOTHING FOR THE SECOND MEETING OF OCTOBER.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S STILL MORE THAN A MONTH OUT, SO.
DON'T DELETE IT OFF YOUR CALENDARS YET, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, UH, I'LL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT, UH, 6 45.
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YOU.