* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] OKAY. [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE] GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. PLEASE, AS A REMINDER TO SILENCE YOUR PHONES, TABLETS, AND OTHER ELECTRONIC DEVICES, WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO DISPLAY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND NOW, NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE, IF YOU WILL ROLL. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR JALO. HERE, VICE MAYOR PLU. PRESENT. COUNCILOR DUNN? HERE. COUNCILOR FOLTZ. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FURMAN? HERE. COUNCILOR KINSELLA. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FAF. HERE. THANK YOU MADAM CLERK. OKAY, ITEM THREE [3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE] IS A CONSENT ITEM, UH, ITEM. SO, UH, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF, THE, THE, UH, COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC TO PULL, UH, ANY OF THE ITEMS. UH, COUNCILOR, UH, LTZ, I BELIEVE, DID YOU SAY YOU WANTED TO PULL THIS ITEM? I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD. COUNCILOR DUNN OVER THE COUNCILOR DUNYA TO, YES. OH, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. WE LOOK ALIKE. WELL BEFORE WE DO, I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE BEFORE THAT. THAT'S MY HEART'S BROKEN. OKAY. OH, PETE, DID YOU WANT TO ALSO, NO. OKAY. NO, HE WANTED ME TO LOOK LIKE HIM. ALRIGHT. SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR ITEMS A THROUGH GI MOVE TO, UH, APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE A THROUGH 3G. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. A THROUGH G ARE APPROVED. UH, SO LET'S MOVE ON TO [3.h. AB 3264 Approval of the Western Gateway Master Plan Contract Revision to Dig Studio, Inc. in an amount not-to-exceed $106,921.] H AND WE DO HAVE A CARD FOR SOMEONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM WHEN, WHEN WE'RE AT THAT POINT. SO, UH, WHO, WHO WOULD LIKE TO STEVE, TRY TO KICK HIM OUT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. GOOD EVENING. STEVE, YOU JUST WANT TO ADDRESS? I DON'T, UH, SINCE MELISSA, YOU WANTED TO PULL THIS ITEM, CAN YOU, UH, ASK THE QUESTIONS OF STEVE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT THE ISSUES ARE? WELL, UM, JUST MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS CLEAR THAT THIS IS AB 32 64 APPROVAL OF THE WESTERN GATEWAY MASTER PLAN CONTRACT REVISION TO DUKE STUDIO IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $106,921. AND IT JUST FELT TO ME THAT PUTTING THIS IN A CONSENT ITEM, INSTEAD OF HAVING A PUBLIC CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET FOR THIS MONEY AND HOW IT IMPACTS WHAT WE HAD THE CONVERSATION AT THE LAST COUNCIL SESSION AROUND THE WESTERN GATEWAY AND DIG STUDIO'S, UM, PROPOSAL THAT WE NEEDED TO PULL THIS AND HAVE THE CONVERSATION OVER TO UC, . SO, UM, THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS FOR A 12 MONTH PERIOD. UH, AND IT INCLUDED, UH, A SLEW OF, UH, UM, DELIVERABLES. SOME OF THOSE DELIVERABLES, UM, WE DID NOT USE. AND WE USED THE MONEY FOR OTHER THINGS SUCH AS ADDITIONAL, UH, MEETINGS WITH DIG. UM, BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS WHOLE PROGRAM, UM, THE INITIAL, EVERY OTHER WEEK MEETING WAS TURNED INTO AN EVERY WEEK MEETING. UM, WE HAD ADDITIONAL, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLANS THAT WERE DONE. UM, SO BOTTOM LINE IS, UM, THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT AND THE MONIES FOR THAT, UH, WERE CONCLUDED ABOUT A MONTH AGO. AND, UM, AGAIN, SOME OF THOSE ADDITIONAL ITEMS WERE, UH, ADDITIONAL STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS. UM, I MENTIONED THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS. UH, THE BIWEEKLY MEETINGS WERE MADE WEEKLY. UM, WE HAD, UH, AN ADDITIONAL P AND Z WORK SESSION. UM, THE, UH, EXCUSE ME, WE ADDED SOME BASE ELEVATIONS AND VIEW SHEDS THAT WERE NOT A PART OF THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT. UM, JUST TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD HEARD ALONG THE WAY. SO WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE COUNSEL HAS ASKED US TO [00:05:01] EXTEND THE PROCESS, WHICH WE DID THROUGH OUR JULY MEETINGS. UM, AND, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY TWO, IF NOT MORE, UH, A SECOND OR MAYBE A THIRD, UH, WORK SESSION. UM, AND, UH, SO THERE IS ADDITIONAL, UH, DELIVERABLES IDENTIFIED IN THIS CONTRACT EXTENSION. UM, SUCH AS, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, IN-PERSON MEETINGS, UM, EXCUSE ME, UH, THE, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS THAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO COME OUT OF, UH, WHAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE LAST MEETING AND, UH, THE UPCOMING MEETINGS. VICE MAYOR STEVE, IS THIS WORK, UH, 'CAUSE THIS IS NOT QUITE DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT, BUT IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE. IS SOME OF THIS, UH, UH, FOR WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED? OR IS IT ALL A FUTURE WORK? SOME OF THIS IS WORK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED. UM, ONE OF THOSE WAS THE, UM, UH, THE PERSON'S VIEW, UH, UH, CONCEPTUAL, UH, VIEWS. UH, THERE WAS, UM, IT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL LAST WEEK. IT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL LAST WEEK. UM, ALSO, UM, THEY WERE IN PERSON AT THE LAST COUNCIL WORK SESSION, UM, THAT WAS DONE. AND THEY WERE A PART OF THE COMBINED, UH, MEETING THAT WE HAD WITH THE YAVAPAI, UH, COLLEGE AND NAH. AND DO, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL TAKE US TO THE END WITHOUT ANY FURTHER COMPENSATION? I WOULD HOPE SO IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, WE'RE AT A POINT RIGHT NOW. UM, OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY THINGS CHANGE BASED UPON WHAT WE HEAR FROM, FROM COUNCIL AND FROM THE PUBLIC BEYOND. UM, BUT WE ARE IDENTIFYING THREE MORE ADDITIONAL, UH, CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS, WHICH I HOPE WOULD BE IT. UH, WE LEARNED A LOT FROM OUR LAST WORK SESSION. UM, WE HOPE TO, UH, BRING BACK TO YOU A PLAN THAT ADDRESSES ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAD. AND, AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THAT, UH, THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES REQUESTED. SO, UM, WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO, UH, FORECAST WHAT MIGHT BE NEEDED BASED UPON THE INFORMATION THAT WE GET IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. IS THIS MONEY COMING FROM OUR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN? IT IS. I HAVE DISCUSSION, NOT QUESTIONS. OKAY. KATHY, PETE, ERIC. OKAY. BEFORE WE GO TO DISCUSSION, UH, I'M GOING TO ASK, UH, TIM PERRY TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE. WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP AN OPPORTUNITY. TIM, YOU KNOW, THE DRILL OF THREE MINUTES. UH, NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA WITH BRINGING FORWARD THIS PROPOSAL TO RENEW AND EXTEND THE DIG CONTRACT. THE CITY IS ONCE AGAIN TELLING US JUST WHAT CONTEMPT IT HAS FOR US AND THE PUBLIC. TWO WEEKS AGO, THE PUBLIC CAME OUT PRETTY STRONGLY AND FOR A WIDE RANGE OF REASONS, TOLD THE CITY THAT THIS PLAN WAS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE. EVEN SOME OF THE COUNCIL HAD SOME PRETTY HARSH THINGS TO SAY ABOUT IT. AND YET, HERE'S THE EXTENSION BACK AGAIN. WELL, THE INSULT TO THE PUBLIC ASIDE, LET'S JUST CONSIDER THAT THIS PLAN IS AN EVEN VERY GOOD ARCHITECTURE. IT HONESTLY, IT RECALLS THOSE FAMOUS WORDS OF CHARLTON HESTON AS MICHELANGELO TO REX HARRISON AS POPE JULIUS ARCHITECTURE. IT HAS NO MORE ARCHITECTURE THAN A COW BARN. AND THAT'S WHAT THE CITY IS PROPOSING TO PAY OVER ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR. AND THAT BRINGS US TO THE QUESTION OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. SO LET'S JUST RUN THROUGH THIS IN STAGES. SO COUNCIL APPROVES THIS SIX FIGURE EXTENSION. THIS PLANNING PROCESS CONTINUES RUNNING ON AND ON AND ON UNTIL NEXT JUNE OR APPROXIMATELY. AND COUNSEL OVER THE WISHES OF THE PUBLIC APPROVES WHATEVER FINAL PLAN COMES OUT OF IT. AND THEN COUNCIL GOES OUT AND PUTS OUT AN RFP AND IS REMINDED YET AGAIN, HOW DEVELOPERS REALLY DON'T WANNA WORK WITH THE CITY. AND THEN WE COME TO NOVEMBER WHEN THE CULTURAL PARK PRESERVATION ACT WILL IN ALL PROBABILITY PASS, AND THE CITY WILL BE SITTING HERE WITH A HALF MILLION DOLLAR PLAN IN CONTRACTS AND STAFF TIME THAT IT CANNOT USE. IF THE COUNCIL HAD THE LEAST SENSE [00:10:01] OF EITHER CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY OR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, IT WOULD PUT THIS WHOLE PROPOSAL ON HOLD UNTIL THE PEOPLE VOTE. BUT GIVEN THAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR THAT FOUR OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES TO OPPOSE THAT VOTE, I DON'T THINK THE COUNCIL'S VERY LIKELY TO DO THAT. ON THE PLUS SIDE, ALL OF THE COUNCIL'S HOSTILITY TOWARDS FINDING OUT WHAT THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT AND RESPECTING IT IS JUST GOING TO MAKE THE PUBLIC ANGRIER AND ANGRIER WITH THIS ARROGANT COUNSEL. AND IT'S GONNA MAKE IT ALL THE MORE CERTAIN THAT NEXT NOVEMBER THE BILL TO PREVENT YOU FROM DOING WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BULLDOZE. THE PARK WILL PASS. YOU'RE JUST, UH, YOU, YOU'RE PLAYING AGAINST YOUR OWN GAME, IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. AND IN THE END, YOU KNOW, PROBABILITY YOU WILL LOSE. IT'S JUST A SHAME YOU HAVE TO TAKE SO MUCH OF OUR TAX DOLLARS WITH YOU DOING IT. THANK YOU, MR. PERRY. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THAT COMMENT PERIOD. WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK FOR COMMENTS, UH, FROM THE COUNCIL AND THE DA BRIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, COUNCIL RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM, UH, A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY A LITTLE OVER TWO HOURS BEFORE, UM, OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION. I SAW IT ABOUT 10 MINUTES BEFORE LEAVING TO COME HERE. AND, UH, IT'S FROM AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS BEEN A MAYOR IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND, UH, IS CERTAINLY, UM, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND HAS, I THINK, PROVIDED SOME INTERESTING FOOD FOR THOUGHT THAT I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DIGEST, SEEN AS THAT. LIKE I SAID, I ONLY SAW IT 10 MINUTES BEFORE COMING HERE, SO MY PREFERENCE AT THE MOMENT IS TO DEFER, UH, A DECISION ON THIS EXTENSION, UH, FOR A MINIMUM OF TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU. COUNCIL DUNN. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COUNCILLOR FOLTZ. SO, WHAT IS THE GOAL OF DEFERRING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING? WHAT DO YOU HOPE TO HAVE HAPPEN IN BETWEEN? I THINK THAT THERE IS FOOD FOR THOUGHT HERE ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE STILL HEADING DOWN THE RIGHT PATH USING DIG STUDIO SPECIFICALLY. UM, I THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE BENEFIT FROM SOME COUNCIL DISCUSSION, UH, IN HINDSIGHT, UM, COMING OFF OF OUR, UH, SIGNIFICANT, UH, MEETING TOPIC ON THIS, GIVEN THAT THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM OFFERED. AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, I, I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER THE SUGGESTIONS AND PROPOSED, UH, ALTERNATIVE SITE PLANS AND USAGE THAT CAME IN THIS EMAIL THAT, AGAIN, WITH 10 MINUTES DESPAIR, CAN'T DO JUSTICE TO IT. SO BASED ON THAT, MY COMMENT IS WE HAVE A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS FROM THE PRIOR MEETING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON WHAT THE ANSWERS ARE TO THOSE QUESTIONS AROUND WHAT'S THE USAGE OF THE PARK AND, UM, HOUSING, IF WE'RE GONNA DO HOUSING, WHAT THE HOUSING'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, WHO ARE HOUSING. I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THAT WE DON'T NEED FROM DIG THAT I THINK WE NEED TO DO OURSELVES IN HOUSE. AND I, I BELIEVE THAT OUR STAFF IS COMPETENT ON HOLDING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH US. UM, AND THAT WE JUST HOLD OFF ON WHAT WE NEED FOR MORE WORK UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT IT IS WE REALLY NEED FOR MORE WORK AND FROM WHOM WE NEED THAT WORK, WHICH IS WHERE I BELIEVE YOU WERE GOING. COUNCILOR FOLTZ. UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF US JUST SAYING, LET'S HOLD OFF ON THIS UNTIL WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION, UM, IN MORE DEPTH AROUND WHAT WE AS COUNCIL SEE, UM, WHAT WE NEED OUT OF A MASTER PLAN FOR, UH, THE WESTERN GATEWAY VICE MAYOR. I WAS GONNA VOTE NO ON THIS CONTRACT EXTENSION, UH, BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF TABLING IT, BUT STEVE, IF WE OWE MONEY, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THAT IS. I'D LIKE THEM TO GET PAID BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION. UNFORTUNATELY, I DID NOT COME UP WITH THAT. THAT'S OKAY. YOU CAN LET US KNOW. TOTAL THERE. BUT YES, I WOULD DEFINITELY LET YOU KNOW. AND, YOU KNOW, FOR THE REASONS THAT MY COLLEAGUES EXPRESSED, I IN AGREEMENT WITH THEM, DEREK MAY MAYOR AND COUNSEL, WE MAY BE ABLE TO PROVE IF IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OWED, UH, WITHIN CITY MANAGER'S AUTHORITY, WE MAY BE ABLE TO JUST PROVE THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AMOUNT. SO, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO GET THAT EXACT AMOUNT. DEREK, I'M GOOD WITH TABLING IT. UM, I'M ALSO AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR, IF THEY'VE DONE WORK, THEY NEED TO BE PAID FOR IT. UM, ABSOLUTELY. AND THEN, BUT [00:15:01] I, I GUESS QUESTION TO STEVE, IS THIS GONNA, IS THERE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW THAT THEY'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT? THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING YOU'RE, THAT THIS IS GONNA PUT A STOP TO, OR NO, BECAUSE WE ARE, UH, MOST OF WHAT CAME OUT OF COUNCIL'S WORK SESSION, UH, WAS STAFF DRIVEN. UM, OKAY. WHICH STAFF IS WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, SO, OKAY. YEAH. SAY WE TABLE IT. OKAY. PETE, ANY COMMENTS? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I SUPPORT TABLE IN IT. I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BENEFIT IS THAT WE'RE GONNA GET. I'M NOT COMPLETELY UNHAPPY WITH THE WORK THAT I'VE SEEN. I DON'T LIKE DISRUPTION OF CONTRACTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCESS. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF TASKS YET TO DO. SO, KATHY YEAH, I AM THINKING ALONG THOSE LINES. I, I, I THINK FIRST OF ALL, A PORTION OF THIS, OR THE MAJORITY OF THIS IS FOR WORK THAT WAS ALREADY COMPLETED. AND I THINK THAT THERE WERE PROBABLY SOME OTHER LOOSE ENDS THAT WE DID THERE. I DON'T THINK THAT APPROVING THIS NECESSARILY MEANS THAT WE'RE ENTERING INTO ANY FUTURE OBLIGATION FOR FUTURE WORK. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S BEEN STAFF DIRECTED THE QUESTION, THE INFORMATION THAT WE WANT AT THIS POINT. SO, UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A REASON TO TABLE THIS BECAUSE IT'S MOSTLY MONEY THAT'S OWED OR HAS BEEN COMMITTED TO. WE DON'T KNOW THAT HE HASN'T GIVEN US THE NUMBERS. WELL, YOU DID, YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN US A NUMBER, BUT YOU DID SAY YOU THINK THE MAJORITY OF IT. DID I MISUNDERSTAND THAT? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE I SAID THE MAJORITY OF IT. OKAY. I'M SORRY. I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT. YEAH, THERE WERE, UM, ACTUALLY, UH, TWO ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE OUT OF THE LIST THAT THEY GAVE US WITHIN THE, THE CONTRACT, UH, WAS THE MEETING WITH YAVAPI, UH, COLLEGE AT NAH, UM, AND THE, UH, WORK SESSION, UH, I'M SORRY, THREE THINGS. AND THEN THE, UH, THE EYE LEVEL, UM, CONCEPTUAL, UH, UH, DRAWINGS THAT WERE REQUESTED FOR THE LAST MEETING. IF THIS WAS WITHIN THE, UM, AUTHORITY OF THE CITY MANAGER, WHY DID THIS COME TO US? NOW, IS THIS ANYWAY, I MEAN, IF, IF, UH, I'M GOING ON YOUR SUGGESTION OF IT'S THIS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MINIMUM IS NOT WITHIN THE AUTHORITY CITY MANAGER, BUT, UM, 10% OF THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WOULD BE. SO THAT'S THE PART WHERE WE NEED TO FIND OUT. SO SHE, SHE MAY BE ABLE TO APPROVE JUST THE PART THAT'S THE WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE, SO IT DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT THOUGH, BUT YEAH, THE ENTIRE AMENDMENT FOR ANOTHER, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER 45% OVER OR SOMETHING, WHAT THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS. THE CITY MANAGER DOES NOT HAVE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE THIS AMENDMENT AS PROPOSED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, IF THERE WERE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT MOTION, UM, PENDING THAT INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE PAID AND HOW THAT BREAKS DOWN. DONE. OKAY. SO I, I BELIEVE IT WAS BRIAN OR MELISSA, YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE OR THAT YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS ITEM WHERE WE ARE NOW IS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE VERY HIGH LEVEL. THERE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DETAIL, AND WE'RE JUST SUPPOSED TO DECIDE HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS WE NEEDED AND WE'RE STILL WAITING TO GET THAT INFORMATION. BUT HOUSING AND WHATEVER ELSE WE WANTED TO, BUT TOO MUCH DETAIL, WE WEREN'T THERE YET. SO, UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU WANTING IT, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WE WERE GONNA GET THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE WERE GONNA GET THERE, BUT WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME TO HAVE GOTTEN TO THAT LEVEL, STEVE, TO THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT'S, UM, THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE WORK SESSIONS. RIGHT. WE WERE HOPING TO GET THAT FEEDBACK FROM WHICH YOU ALREADY UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, WANTED TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT DOWN TO THREE, WHICH REDUCES THE NUMBER OF UNITS CONSIDERABLY. UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS ALSO WANTED TO, UH, REORGANIZE THE PERCENTAGES OF OPEN LAND AND, AND PUBLIC SPACE, UH, TO, UH, AS OPPOSED TO THE RESIDENTIAL, THAT WOULD REDUCE SOME, THE NUMBERS CONSIDERABLY. UM, BUT ULTIMATELY THOSE NUMBERS WILL COME OUT OF THE DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNCIL. THOSE AREN'T SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS, IS CREATING. SO BRIAN, YOU WANT TO ADDRESS MY COMMENTS OR THE QUESTION? YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, ONE OF THE ITEMS OF DIRECTION THAT WE GAVE WAS TO HAVE A HOUSING STRATEGY COMPLETED AT A CITY LEVEL SO THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, OUR CARRYING CAPACITY FOR THE CITY AT THIS POINT AND LET THAT HELP INFORM WHAT THE NUMBERS WOULD BE, UH, GOING INTO THE CULTURAL PARK OR WESTERN GATEWAY. SO, UM, I, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT YOU WERE JUST REFERRING TO. 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT, NOT THERE YET. [00:20:01] RIGHT. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS TO WHAT LEVEL YOU WANTED, SO, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I THINK, UH, I WOULD, I'M MIXED, BUT I'M, I'M LEANING TOWARDS SUPPORTING, PUTTING IT, YOU KNOW, TABLING IT FOR ANOTHER TWO WEEKS. ESPECIALLY. I RECEIVED THAT SAME EMAIL FROM THAT GENTLEMAN AS WELL. I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A CHANCE TO GO OVER THIS AS WELL. UH, SO I THINK THAT, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD SUPPORT TABLING IT FOR NOW. UH, AS FAR AS ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE, I DON'T KNOW, I, I REALLY WANNA WAIT TO SEE IT TO GET THAT HOUSING STUDY BEFORE. UH, I, I THINK WHERE WE'RE AT, I, I BELIEVE COUNSELOR KINSELLA HAS GOT THE BEGINNINGS OF A MOTION THERE. I'M SURE SHE'S WORKING BEFORE OF, OF THE FACT THAT WE WILL PAY WHAT IS OWED, BUT DEFER, I THINK IT'S DEFER INDEFINITELY RATHER THAN FOR TWO WEEKS. OKAY. UM, ON FURTHER ACTION ON, UH, DIG STUDIO'S CONTRACT, IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? COUNCILLOR KINSELLA? YOU COULD MAKE THAT MOTION. NO, CAN'T, CAN'T REPLACE YOU JUST MADE, IT'S LIKE A CONTRACT JUDGE. CALL THAT A MOTION, WHAT HE SAID. OKAY. SO, UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? VICE MAYOR, UH, 'CAUSE CARRIE, CARRIE, UH, WHEN WE ENDED THE WORK SESSION, TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO, DISCUSSIONS WE COULD HAVE IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE PLAN, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT REQUIRES ANY WORK ON THEIR BEHALF. WE CAN STILL TALK ABOUT THOSE. CARRIE, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT OR DO YOU WANNA WEIGH IN? UM, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT STAFF CAN HAVE WITH COUNCIL WITHOUT DIG. UM, I DO, IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH A MASTER PLAN, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, THEY ARE WORKING ON SOME THINGS RIGHT NOW TO, UM, GIVE SOME OPTIONS FOR THAT. UM, AND TO TRY TO HELP WITH THOSE QUESTIONS SO THAT THEY MIGHT NECESSARILY NEED TO COME UP TO THE MEETING, BUT THEY ARE HELPING US FORM SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND FORM THOSE IN A WAY THAT WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE TO THEM. SO THERE IS SOME OF THAT WORK GOING ON RIGHT NOW. UM, SO SOME OF THE TRAVEL THEY MIGHT NOT NEED TO DO, BUT, SO THAT, THAT IS WHAT WE HAD TALKED TO THEM ABOUT AFTER THE MEETING, I GUESS TWO WEEKS AGO, WAS, UM, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN THEY DO TO HELP US GET THOSE QUESTIONS ASKED? JUST, WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE TIME OR THE EXPERTISE TO GET SOME OF THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER RIGHT NOW. JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MADE ANY SENSE. AND I'M LIKE LOOKING AROUND KURT'S HEAD TO SAY THIS, IT MADE SENSE, BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION BECOMES HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL WORK DOES THAT REPRESENT? AND IF WE STOPPED IT FOR RIGHT NOW, WHAT IMPACT WOULD IT HAVE? WE, WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FROM DIG, WE CAN CONTACT THEM TOMORROW AND, AND UH, GET YOU A NUMBER. UH, NOT JUST A NUMBER, BUT AN ITEMIZED NUMBER. OKAY. ANY OTHER, BASED ON THAT COMMENT, DEREK? UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, ARE WE INSTRUCTING RE TABLING IT, BUT ARE WE INSTRUCTING THEM TO PAY, DIG WHAT THEY ALREADY OWED OR ARE WE, OR ARE WE WAITING FOR THAT TO COME BACK TO US? IT'S A MOTION, CATHERINE. IT IS NOW. OKAY. KURT, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD, ANDY? ANYTHING? OKAY. ALRIGHT, COUNCIL KINSELLA, CAN I GET A MOTION PLEASE? YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AUTHORIZE PAYMENT OF PAST SERVICES, UM, FOR PAST SERVICES AND, UH, DEFER, UH, THE REST OF THE CONTRACT CONSIDERATION UNTIL THE INFORMATION THAT, UH, THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED IS PROVIDED. SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION, PETE? YEAH, I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES HERE THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT. UH, AND I REALLY OPPOSE THE IDEA OF DOING THIS. I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE AND, BUT, UH, I THINK FOR A COUPLE WEEKS IT COULDN'T HURT, SO. ALRIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? NO, PETE. OKAY. SIX ONE WITH, UH, COUNSELOR PETE DISSENTING. OKAY. APPOINTMENTS, UH, ITEM FOUR, WE HAVE NONE. ITEM FIVE, [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS] SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MYSELF, THE COUNSELORS, CITY MANAGER OF COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS, UH, PLEASE, MELISSA. SO, UM, A BUNCH OF THINGS ARE GOING ON AT THE LIBRARY, UM, COMMUNITY LIBRARY OF SEDONA IN CASE YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT LIBRARY TO WHICH I REFER. UM, THERE'S AN AFTERNOON WITH ALLISON BROWN QUINTET AND THERE'S SOME FLYERS OVER, UM, ON THE DESK. THIS IS A, UH, GRAMMY AWARD WINNING BANJO PLAYER. IF YOU'VE NEVER HEARD HER, THERE'S ACTUALLY A REALLY COOL [00:25:01] YOUTUBE VIDEO WITH HER AND STEVE MARTIN DOING SOME SERIOUS BANJO PLAYING. UM, ON, THIS IS ON SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 28TH. SO UPCOMING SUNDAY. THERE'S A VIP MEET AND GREET AT 2 45. UH, VIP TICKETS INCLUDE THE MEET AND GREET LIGHT SNACKS IN PREFERRED SEATING IN THE FIRST FOUR ROWS. THESE TICKETS ARE $75. THE SHOW BEGINS AT FOUR AND THE TICKETS ARE $45 AND THE DOORS WILL OPEN FOR THE SHOW AT THREE 30. TICKETS ARE STILL AVAILABLE AND, UM, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT THOSE OF YOU WHO LIKE MUSIC AND LIKE THE SOUND OF A BANJO LIKE ME, UM, WOULD BUY SOME TICKETS. I ALREADY HAVE MINE, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW. UM, THE SECOND ANNUAL GET LOUD COMMUNITY CELEBRATION IS GOING TO BE ON SATURDAY THE 15TH OF NOVEMBER. SO MARK YOUR CALENDARS. IT IS FROM 2:00 PM UNTIL WHENEVER. THIS IS FAMILY FRIENDLY ACTIVITIES WILL BE FROM TWO TO FIVE. FOUR TO 5:00 PM IS A LIVE AUCTION. THERE'S AN ONLINE AUCTION THAT WILL BEGIN ON THAT SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 8TH, AND THERE'S AN AFTER PARTY AT THE BASE CAMP BANDS ARE AT BOTH EVENTS. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, LONG TIME IN THE FUTURE, I KNOW IT FEELS LIKE, BUT ACTUALLY REALLY COMING UP FAST. THEY'RE HAVING A YEAR END WRAP UP FUNDRAISER. THEY'LL BE WRAPPING PRESENTS AT BOTH LIBRARIES IN THE VOC AND HERE IN SEDONA, THE COST IS $5 PER GIFT FOR EVERY FOUR WRAPPED GIFTS OR $20 PARTICIPANTS WILL BE ENTERED INTO A DRAWING TO WIN WHAT IS IN THE GIANT WRAPPED MYSTERY GIFT. MM-HMM . IN THE LOBBY. SO I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE LIBRARY. OKAY. VICE MAYOR, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING, PLEASE? YES. UH, SISTER CITIES HAD AN INTERNATIONAL WEEKEND THIS PAST WEEKEND. STARTED WITH, UH, A CONCERT ON THURSDAY NIGHT AT THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, UH, WITH YOUNG TALENT RISING STARS, UH, FROM CANADA AND FROM THE US. UH, THE NEXT NIGHT WAS A DINNER, UH, MAYOR'S SECOND ANNUAL DINNER FOLLOWED BY, I THINK I HAVE THE DATES WRONG, BUT FOLLOWED BY, THAT WAS FRIDAY NIGHT AND OR ANOTHER WAS THURSDAY NIGHT. ANYWAY, , IT WAS FOLLOWED BY A POLISH PICNIC AND, UH, SUNDAY, WHICH WAS A SMASH HIT VERY AT THE POSSE GROUNDS PARK. SO IT WAS INTERNATIONAL WEEKEND FEATURING CANADA WITH THE RISING STARS AND POLISH SLO FOR THE POLISH PICNIC OR TWO, ONE SISTER CITY AND ONE FRIENDSHIP CITY. AND I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THAT, THAT IT WAS A, ALL THE, THE EVENTS WERE, WERE WONDERFUL, BUT FOR THOSE WHO WERE THINKING THIS EVENT AND ALL THE EVENTS PART OF SISTER CITIES IS NOT FUNDED BY THE CITY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, ANY TRIPS, ANY EVENTS ARE ALL PRIVATELY FUNDED. SO, UH, DEREK, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? PETE? NO, THAT'S, NO. WAS THAT COMING DOWN TO ME? YES. . THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, KATHY, I'M GOOD, THANKS. OKAY. ALRIGHT FOLKS, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ADD, UH, ABOUT A PROJECT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. UH, A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON IN THE CITY HERE. A RECENT HEADLINE IN THE LOCAL PAPER REPORTED THAT THIS COUNCIL MUST RESTORE TRUST IN THE CITY. I COULDN'T AGREE MORE, BUT TRUST IS NOT ONLY BETWEEN CITY AND THE PUBLIC, TRUST MUST ALSO EXIST BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES. IN MY EFFORT TO HELP RESTORE TRUST AND TRANSPARENCY, I WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT, IN MY OPINION, THE FIVE COUNCILORS WHO SUPPORT THE MY CENTER, THIS AN ORDER. MR. MAY, IS THIS A A CURRENT EVENT? IT'S A PROJECT. DO YOU, DO WE NOT WANNA BE TRANSPARENT? NO, I, I AGREE THAT CITY NEEDS TO BE TRANSPARENT. UM, BUT I BELIEVE THIS DOESN'T PERTAIN TO ANY, IT DOESN'T SOUND TO ANY WAY PERTAIN TO ANY, UM, CITY PROJECT. YEAH. ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE AGENDA THAT'S LISTED ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. SO YOU WISH ME NOT TO CONTINUE ON YOU, YOU, THE COUNCIL IS SAYING YOU WISH ME NOT TO CONTINUE. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. I THINK, MR. MAYOR, I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT, FOR THIS TOPIC. WELL, THERE'S, I DON'T THINK IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO. COUNCIL THIS ON THE AGENDA, YOU COULD REQUEST THAT A A, A NEW MEETING FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND OF COURSE PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA, ASSUMING I WOULD HAVE TWO OTHER PEOPLE. BUT I WILL HONOR THE LEGAL COUNSEL AND, UH, OUR COUNSEL. OKAY. THEN WE WILL [6. PUBLIC FORUM] CONTINUE ON WITH PUBLIC FORUM ITEM SIX. WE WILL START WITH, UH, ED KETNER. ED, YOU KNOW THE, THE DRILL. I KNOW THE DRILL. OKAY. WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, TIM PERRY. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ED KETTLER. I LIVE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA. I'M GONNA START WITH [00:30:01] A QUOTE FROM A VERY FAMOUS SHAKESPEAREAN, UM, WORK. JULIUS CAESAR'S. MARK ANTHONY'S FUEL GENERATION, THE EVIL THAT MEN DO LIVES AFTER THEM. THE GOOD IS OFTEN TURNED WITH THEIR BONES, SO LET IT BE WITH CAESAR. NOW, MAYOR, LAST SESSION WHEN YOU DID YOUR, UH, YOUR PART IN THE VOTE, YOU JUST SAID YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RESIGN. AND YET HERE WE HAVE JUST NOW ANOTHER EXAMPLE, YOU TRYING TO OUT FLANK PROCESS AND PROCEDURES. THERE WAS THE EXECUTIVE SESSION JUST BEFORE THIS MEETING. AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, DO NOT ADD ANY MORE EVIL TO THE LIST, PLEASE. YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DELAYING THE RECALL BY YOUR PROCESSES AND SAYING YOU'RE NOT GONNA RUN FOR REELECTION. YOU NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING. YOU NEED TO RESIGN NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. OKAY, TIM, YOU'RE UP. GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA TONIGHT. I THOUGHT IT WOULD TAKE, IT WOULD BE FUN TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO LOOK AT THE COUNCIL'S TOTAL LACK OF GETTING SERIOUS ABOUT THE SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT CLAIMS ARE AN EMERGENCY DESTROYING SEDONA. EARLIER THIS YEAR, SOMEONE AROUND HERE, UH, TOLD ME WHAT CAME ACROSS AS THE MOST INGENIOUS SUGGESTION I'D YET HEARD OF FOR DOING WHAT, UH, DEREK FAFF CALLED, UH, MAKING, OWNING A SHORT TERM RENTAL, A LITTLE LESS ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE. IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY SIMPLE PROCEDURE. YOU JUST GO OUT TO THE PLACE AT NIGHT, FIND WHERE THE WATER VALVE IS ON THE STREET, TURN IT OFF, DUMP A BUCKET OF QUICK CRETE OVER THE VALVE AND WALK OFF. WELL, OBVIOUSLY THE COUNCIL'S GONNA SAY, WELL, IF WE DID THAT, WE'D BE BREAKING THE LAW. WELL, YES, YES, YOU WOULD. IT'S CALLED CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE. THAT'S WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A PRINCIPLE HIGHER THAN THE LAW THAT NEEDS TO BE PURSUED AT THE EXPENSE OF THE LAW. AT CARRIE NATION, SHE SMASHED THE BEER BARRELS AND SHE WENT TO JAIL. THE SUFFRAGETTES AT THE POST OFFICE IS ON FIRE AND THEY WENT TO JAIL. THE PLOWSHARES ACTIVISTS BURNED DRAFT CARDS AND POURED BLOOD ON ATOM BOMBS, AND THEY WENT TO JAIL. IF THIS COUNCIL WAS REALLY SERIOUS, THAT STR ARE SOME KIND OF EXISTENTIAL EVIL DESTROYING THE TOWN, YOU WOULD BE OUT THERE ON THE STREETS TAKING DIRECT ACTION AS COURAGEOUS MEN AND WOMEN DID BEFORE YOU TO COPE WITH EVIL. AND YET, DO WE EVER READ ABOUT THAT? NO. NO, WE DON'T. NOW, THE COUNCIL MIGHT ALSO SAY THAT SUCH AN APPROACH, WELL WOULD, IT WOULD BE VIOLENT, BUT THIS COUNCIL HAS NEVER SHOWN A RELUCTANCE TO REFRAIN FROM VIOLENCE. SO WE, AFTER ALL, WE HAVE, UH, OUR DEAR MAYOR TALKING ABOUT HOW HE WANTS TO HAMMER PEOPLE TO BRING THEM INTO COMPLIANCE WITH HIM. AND WE HAVE THE TALL COUNSELOR ON THE END, UH, WISHING, UH, HE COULD SEND COPS WITH GUNS TO LOCK PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES. NO, THE COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH VIOLENCE. WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS A PROBLEM WITH IS COURAGE WITH HAVING THE BACKBONE IN THE GUTS TO GET YOUR OWN HANDS DIRTY AND STRIKE A BLOW FOR WHAT YOU SUPPOSEDLY BELIEVE IN. AH, WELL TIMES JUST AREN'T WHAT THEY USED TO BE. OKAY, THANK YOU TIM. OKAY, ITEM SEVEN, PROCLAMATIONS, [7.a. National Constitution Week Proclamation, September 17-23, 2025.] RECOGNITIONS AND AWARD. ANN, I SEE YOU HERE. I RECOGNIZE YOU FROM BEFORE. OKAY. JUST STATE. YOU CAN COME UP TO THE PODIUM. YOU HAVE MY COLLEAGUES TOO. OF COURSE. HI EVERYONE, I'M ANN CROSMAN, ACTING REGENT OF THE OAK CREEK CHAPTER OF DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. AND MY COLLEAGUES, JOAN KENNEDY AND ROBERTA RUST ARE HERE WITH ME. WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR MAKING THIS OFFICIAL PROCLAMATION, WHICH YOU HAVE DONE MANY YEARS IN THE PAST. AND, UH, LET ME READ THIS. IT'S A VERY FAMOUS DAY. AFTER YOU FINISH, I'LL MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT. THANK YOU. THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU. SO CONSTITUTION WEEK, SEPTEMBER 17TH TO THE 23RD, 2025. WHEREAS SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2025 MARKS THE 200TH AND, UH, 37TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE DRAFTING OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BY CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. AND WHEREAS IT IS FITTING AND PROPER TO OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZE THIS MAGNIFICENT DOCUMENT AND THE ANNIVERSARY OF ITS CREATION, AND WHEREAS IT IS FITTING AND PROPER TO OFFICIALLY [00:35:01] RECOGNIZE THE PATRIOTIC CELEBRATIONS THAT WILL COMMEMORATE THE OCCASION. AND WHEREAS PUBLIC LAW NINE 15 GUARANTEES THE ISSUING OF A PROCLAMATION EACH YEAR BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DESIGNATING SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH, UH, THE 23RD AS CONSTITUTIONAL WEEK. NOW, THEREFORE, I SCOTT JALO, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, UH, SEDONA CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH THE 23RD TO BE CONSTITUTION WEEK IN SEDONA, ARIZONA, AND ASK OUR CITIZENS TO REF, UH, RE REAFFIRM THE IDEALS AND FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION, UH, THAT THE CONSTITUTION HAD IN 1787, ISSUED THIS 23RD DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2025. AND THE CELEBRATION CONTINUES THAT THE COMMUNITY LIBRARY OF SEDONA, WHERE ROBERTA HAS PUT UP AN EXHIBIT OF CONSTITUTION WEEK. UM, IN 1787, THE DELEGATES TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION MET FOR TWO MONTHS AMID, UM, HOT DEBATE ABOUT WHAT TO PUT IN THE CONSTITUTION. AND FINALLY IN PHILADELPHIA, APPROVED IT ON SEPTEMBER 17TH, 1787, FOUR YEARS AFTER THE END OF THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR. SO WE HAVE ADVANCED TREMENDOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE A PICTURE? YES, PLEASE. ONE, TWO. THANK YOU. OKAY. REGULAR BUSINESS EIGHT, EIGHT A AB 31 35. MS. MR. MAYOR, BEFORE [5.a. Executive Session Report.] WE GET TO THAT, I FORGOT THE EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT. UH, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO REPORT THAT AT THE END OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, AN OPEN SESSION TODAY, UM, AFTERWARDS WHEN WE CAME INTO PUBLIC SESSION, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED THE CITY ATTORNEY TO INVESTIGATE ALLEGATIONS MADE AGAINST THE MAYOR ON SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2025. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, EIGHT A 31 35 [8.a. AB 3135 Discussion/possible direction regarding Sedona In Motion (SIM) projects overview with general updates on Transit and Uptown Parking.] DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING SEDONA IN MOTION PROJECTS OVERFLOW, UH, OVERVIEW WITH GENERAL UPDATES ON TRANSIT AND THE UPTOWN PARKING. KURT, GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. KURT HARRIS, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, CITY ENGINEER. WE'VE GOT ABOUT 50 SLIDES TO GO THROUGH YOU AND, UH, OF COURSE WE HAD OUR AGENDA BILL THAT WAS QUITE LENGTHY AND, UH, DETAILED. SO WE PURPOSELY TRIED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP IN PREVIOUS SIM UPDATES. UH, HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE COMPLETE FOR YOU ALL. UM, TODAY WE'RE, I'LL START OFF WITH A COUPLE OF UPDATES, UH, WHERE OUR WEBSITE ARE, AND THEN I'LL HAND IT OVER TO AMBER TO TALK ABOUT OUR TRANSIT AND GO RIGHT INTO PARKING. AND THEN WE'LL DO OUR SIM UPDATES. SO AWAY WE GO. UM, HOW DO YOU WANT TO HANDLE QUESTIONS, MAYOR? WELL, WE, WHY DON'T WE JUST LET HIM DO HIS, UM, PRESENTATION AND THEN IF WE GET STARTED, WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES. AND INSTEAD OF MAKING THIS A FIVE, SIX HOUR ITEM, , WOULD YOU PREFER THAT? CURRENTLY? YES. I HAVE QUESTIONS WAITED FOR AFTER EACH MAJOR SUBJECT SUBJECT. OKAY. SO YOU CAN GET THEIR QUESTIONS AT, UM, WHEN WE DO TRANSIT AND THEN WE PARKING, AND THEN AS WE GO THROUGH THE SIM UPDATES FOR THOSE, UM, SPECIFIC PROJECTS. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. UM, SO HERE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT OF COURSE, I, FOR DISPLAY ONLY WAS OUR SEDONA IN MOTION PROPOSED ROUNDABOUT AND HOW THEY WORKED. IT'S STILL ON THE WEBSITE. SO AS THE, UH, COUNSELORS MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE PUBLIC HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE GO TO OUR WEBSITE, GO TO THAT. IT KIND OF SHOWS HOW ALL THE SIM AND UPDATE WORKS. IT'S A GREAT VIDEO AS YOU ALL SHARED. I'D INCLUDE ON THIS FOR, FOR YOUR TIME, AND NOT TO BE REDUNDANT, BUT I DID WANT TO SHARE, SHARE HERE ON OUR, UM, WEBSITE AS WE CONVERTED, AS I MENTIONED. UM, HERE WE GO. UM, SHOULD GO RIGHT TO OUR WEBSITE. WE HAVE THIS [00:40:01] OPEN BOOK FROM OUR QUESTA AND IT ALLOWS THE USER TO GO THROUGH ANY OF THE SIM PROJECTS OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. AND I'LL JUST CLICK THE FIRST ONE, OUR ANTE SHARED USE PATH. AND WE'RE KIND OF GETTING CAUGHT UP TO THE MODERN WORLD WHERE IT SHOWS THE GIS, UM, A FEW IMAGES. OKAY, I'LL DO BOTH ACTUALLY. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM. I THINK THIS IS DEAD, YOU KNOW. OKAY. AND IN THERE, IS THERE A SUMMARY THAT YOU CAN GO TO AND READ ALL THE INFORMATION? SO I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO USE THIS. IT'S SOMETHING THE CITY'S INVESTED TO. IT REALLY IS AN ASPECT AND IT'S GONNA HELP US GET THAT COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO THE PUBLIC OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHY. AND I'M GONNA GO RIGHT TO TRANSIT AND YOU SHOULD ALL KNOW AMBER. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. UM, I'M AMBER WAGNER, THE TRANSIT ADMINISTRATOR HERE WITH THE CITY. UH, TODAY'S TRANSIT AND PARKING UPDATE IS PART OF OUR ONGOING SEDONA IN MOTION WORK. UH, TYING TRANSIT AND PARKING TOGETHER. I'M GONNA FIRST START OFF WITH TRANSIT AND THEN I WILL SHIFT TO THE UPTOWN PARKING MANAGEMENT AND THE NEW GARAGE, WHICH TIES DIRECTLY INTO OUR PARK ONCE APPROACH. LET'S BEGIN WITH THE KEY TOPICS. THANK YOU. HERE'S WHERE WE ARE HEADED. TODAY, I'M GOING TO GO OVER HOW OUR CURRENT SERVICES ARE PERFORMING. WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME OF OUR NEW PILOTS THAT WE ARE PLANNING. WE'LL DISCUSS THE STATUS OF THE UPTOWN CIRCULATION STUDY AND THE PROGRESS ON OUR DESIGN WORK OF OUR TRANSIT MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FACILITY. AND THEN WE'LL SHIFT TO OUR PARKING MANAGEMENT WORK. AS WE CONTINUE CONSTRUCTION ON THE UPTOWN GARAGE. EACH CONNECTS BACK TO CONGESTION REDUCTION AND IMPROVING RESIDENT AND VISITOR MOBILITY AS LAID OUT IN OUR SEDONA AND MOTION PLAN. FIRST, THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE SERVICE, WHICH IS OUR BACKBONE OF OUR TRANSIT SERVICES AND THE LONGEST RUNNING THAT WE'VE HAD SO FAR SINCE 22. NEXT SLIDE. OUR TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE RIDERSHIP HIT A NEW RECORD THIS FISCAL YEAR IN 25, ALMOST 359,000 RIDES WERE PROVIDED. UH, AND IT'S UP NEARLY 3% FROM FISCAL YEAR 24, AND IT ACCOUNTS FOR ALMOST 90,000 REDUCED VEHICLE TRIPS. WOW. AND OVERALL, SINCE WE LAUNCHED OUR SERVICE IN 22, WE'VE MOVED MORE THAN 1.1 MILLION RIDERS, WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR A POSS UH, EXCUSE ME, A REDUCTION OF 282,500 TRIPS SINCE WE STARTED THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE. UH, JUST A FEW UPDATES THIS SUMMER. WE MADE SOME SMART ADJUSTMENTS, UH, ON ROUTE 11, WHICH IS OUR DR. DRY CREEK MEZCAL ROUTE OUT OF THE WEST SEDONA LOT. WE SHORTENED OUR SERVICE IN THE AFTERNOONS DURING THE PEAK HEAT. UH, THAT SERVICE WAS REINSTATED AFTER LABOR DAY ON SEPTEMBER 4TH, AND WE ALSO PAUSED OUR ROUTE 12, WHICH WAS OUR DRY CREEK MEZCAL ROUTE. UH, OUT OF OUR POSSE GROUNDS PARK AND RIDE LOT DUE TO LOWER DEMAND. UH, FOLKS HAVE JUST STARTED TO USE OUR ROUTE 11 OUT OF THE WEST SEDONA LOT. UH, MORE SO BECAUSE IT HAS A BETTER FREQUENCY OF 30 MINUTES VERSUS 50 MINUTES. UM, SO THIS WILL ALLOW US TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, THAT ROUTE 11, WHICH IS CURRENTLY INTERLINED WITH OUR SOLDIER PASS ROUTE TO SEE IF THERE'S, UH, WE'RE GONNA DO A PILOT OF 30 MINUTE FREQUENCY, UH, STARTING THIS FALL AND SEE IF THERE'S ANOTHER ROUTE WORKING WITH THE FOREST SERVICE AND OUR PARTNERS TO, UH, UTILIZE. SO WHILE OUR TRAILHEAD ROUTES MANAGE OUR VISITOR IMPACTS AND CREATE SUSTAINABLE ACCESS TO OUR NATURAL RESOURCES, OUR CONNECT SERVICE, WHICH I'M GONNA SPEAK TO RIGHT NOW, UH, HELPS OUR VISITORS AND OUR RESIDENTS BRIDGE MOBILITY GAPS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. SO OUR CONNECT ON DEMAND PROVIDED OVER 14,000 RIDES IN FISCAL YEAR 25. AND WE SAW SOME STRONG PEAKS IN THE SPRING. WE SAW DECLINE DUE TO SEASONALITY THIS SUMMER. BUT I HAVE TO SAY THESE LAST PAST TWO WEEKENDS, WE ARE BACK UP TO OUR PEAK LEVELS OF TRANSPORTING ABOUT 150 PASSENGERS PER DAY, UH, ON THE WEEKEND, WHICH IS REALLY PROMISING 'CAUSE THAT'S BACK UP TO OUR, OUR MARCH AND APRIL NUMBERS. UH, WE HAVE SEEN A REDUCED NUMBER OF TRIPS, TRIPS OF, OR VEHICLE TRIPS, ABOUT 6,472. UH, JUST I WANNA GIVE A LITTLE UPDATE ON OUR SUMMER RIDE CAMPAIGN, OUR FREE RIDE CAMPAIGN. UH, IT IS BROUGHT IN OVER 290 RIDES SO FAR TO DATE. WHILE WE STARTED THIS [00:45:01] IN JUNE, WE, UH, ARE STILL SEEING A PICKUP OF USAGE. JUST THIS PAST TWO WEEKENDS, WE'VE SEEN COUPONS, UH, DISTRIBUTED AND GIVEN BACK TO US. ONE DAY WE HAD 15 COUPONS. SO AS WE SEE FOLKS GET ON THE SYSTEM, WE'RE SEEING MORE USAGE OF THAT PROGRAM. WE HAVE CONTINUED OUR EVENING HOURS AND, UH, WHICH HAS, WHICH HAS, UH, PROVIDED MORE ACCESS TO OUR COMMUNITY IN THE EVENINGS. AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE ARE WORKING ON SOME PILOTS. UH, WE WILL BE DOING A CHAPEL NEIGHBOR, UH, HOOD EXPANSION PILOT TEST. UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CHAPEL AND MYSTIC HILLS, UH, COMMITTEES. UH, THEY HAVE A VOLUNTEER COMMITTEE ON A PILOT PROJECT, WHICH WE WILL LAUNCH IN NOVEMBER. AND, UH, TEST WITH PERFORMANCE METRICS. AND THEN WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR NEXT PILOT, WHICH WOULD BE IN THE SPRING AS THIS AREA NORTH OF SANBORN. SO LOOKING AHEAD, THE UPTOWN CIRCULATOR IS OUR NEXT BIG OPPORTUNITY TO LINK PARKING AND TRANSIT. THANK YOU. THIS STUDY THAT WAS FUNDED BY AN FTA PLANNING GRANT EVALUATES A FIXED ROUTE CIRCULATOR CONNECTING THE NEW UPTOWN GARAGE TO UPTOWN TILLOCK AND HILLSIDE. UH, WE ARE SEEING, UH, A LOT OF OUTREACH. WE'VE HAD OVER 420 RESPONSES. ABOUT 60% OF THOSE ARE FROM OUR RESIDENTS, ABOUT 17 FROM OUR BUSINESSES AND EMPLOYEES, AND 23% FROM VISITORS. SO FAR. WE'RE CONTINUING OUR OUTREACH. UH, WE ARE SEEING SOME STRONG VISITOR INTEREST. ABOUT 91 SAID THEY'D USE IT, WHICH IS ENCOURAGING. THERE ARE OTHER FIGURES HERE THAT WE'RE SEEING. ABOUT 51% OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD USE IT IF IT WAS PROVIDED. UM, AND THEN THE EMPLOYEES OR BUSINESS AND PROPERTY OWNERS WAS ABOUT 74%. AS WE MOVE THROUGH OUR ENGAGEMENT, UH, WE ARE HEARING THE QUESTION, AND I THINK WE DISCUSSED THIS AT OUR LAST WORK SESSION, ABOUT WHY THIS SERVICE WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN THE ROAD SERVICE THAT THE ROAD RUNNER SERVICE CIRCULATOR. IT'S A LOT OF WORDS, UH, THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED IN 20, UH, I THINK IT WAS 2006, AND WE ARE SEEING A DIFFERENT LANDSCAPE NOW. UM, PARKING WAS PLENTIFUL THEN. THE DEMAND WAS WEAK AND THE CITY DID NOT HAVE A DEDICATED TRANSIT OR EXPERIENCED STAFF TO GUIDE, MONITOR, AND IMPROVE THE SERVICES. TODAY WE'RE SEEING PARKING IS CONSTRAINED AND WITH NEW PERMIT AND PRICING TOOLS THAT'LL BE USED TO ENCOURAGE TRANSIT. AND WE HAVE CITY STAFF THAT HAS EXPERTISE TO OPERATE OUR SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMS. THIS SERVICE COULD POTENTIALLY BE POSITIONED TO, UH, SUCCEED WHERE OUR PREVIOUS EFFORT DID NOT. SO WHERE ARE WE AT IN THIS PROCESS? NEXT SLIDE. OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS UNDERWAY AND WE HAD VISIONING SESSIONS LAST WEEK. WE HAD THREE BUSINESS STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, UH, THAT REPRESENTED BETWEEN BUSINESSES, PROPERTY MANAGERS, AND THEIR TENANTS. THERE WAS OVER A HUNDRED BUSINESSES THAT WERE REPRESENTED. UM, THERE WAS SOME INTEREST IN IMPROVED VISITOR ACCESS, BUT THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT SIMPLY SHIFTING CUSTOMERS BETWEEN DISTRICTS. UH, THERE WAS A STRONG EMPHASIS AND NEED ON BRANDING AND MARKETING IF THE CIRCULATOR, IF THIS POTENTIAL SERVICE WOULD MOVE FORWARD. AND THERE WAS INTEREST IN POTENTIAL ONBOARD ADVERTISING OPPORTUNITIES. AND THERE WERE PARKING CONCERNS ABOUT PROTECTING PRIME VISITOR STALLS IN MANAGING DWELL TIME FOR VISITORS. OUR PUBLIC VISIONING WORKSHOP, WHICH WAS THE EVENING OF SEPTEMBER 18TH, UH, WAS HELD AT POSSE GROUNDS HUB. WE HAD SEVEN ATTENDEES. IT WAS AN OPEN Q AND A ON THE PURPOSE OF THE CIRCULATOR VERSUS OTHER OPTIONS. THERE WERE ACTIVITIES. UH, WE SAW A DESIRE FOR SERVICE TO BENEFIT RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES AND NOT JUST VISITORS. AND THERE WAS A STRONG SUPPORT FOR ALIGNMENT WITH SEDONAS PARK ONCE MODEL TO REDUCE CONGESTION. SOME OF OUR TAKEAWAYS, UH, WOULD'VE BEEN BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS SEE SOME POTENTIAL, UH, BUT WANT THE SERVICE TO BE WELL-BRANDED, WELL INTEGRATED AND SUPPORTIVE OF BROADER TRANSIT AND PARKING GOALS. SO OUR NEXT STEPS, UH, WOULD BE, UH, ANALYZING THE OUTREACH AND THE DATA. WE ARE STILL, UH, WORKING ON ADDITIONAL OUTREACH AND WE'LL DEVELOP THREE SERVICE ALTERNATIVES AND LOOK AT THE OPTION FOR THE POTENTIAL. AND THEN LATER THIS YEAR WE'LL IDENTIFY THE PREFERRED OPTION. AND IN JANUARY WE'LL PRESENT A FINAL REPORT. IF COUNSEL MOVES FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, WE WOULD RECOMMEND WE START WITH PHASED PILOTS AND PERFORMANCE METRICS [00:50:01] TO MAKE SURE THE DEMAND WAS WORTH THE INVESTMENT. AND WE WOULD ALSO LOOK INTO PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS THAT COULD HELP SHARE COSTS, SUPPORT OPERATIONS, AND MAKE SURE THE SERVICE ALIGNS WITH BOTH COMMUNITY AND BUSINESS INTERESTS. SO TO MAKE THE TRANSIT GROWTH POSSIBLE, WE'LL ALSO NEED THE RIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE. GONNA GO TO OUR NEXT SLIDE. UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR TRANSIT MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FACILITY. WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE 30% DESIGN PHASE, AND THIS FACILITY, WHICH WOULD BE HOUSED ADJACENT TO THE WASTEWATER PLANT, IS ESSENTIAL TO SUPPORT OUR CONTINUED EXPANSION OF TRANSIT. THAT INCLUDES A GROWING FLEET AS WELL AS A POSSIBLE FUTURE TRANSITION TO LOW EMISSION VEHICLES. THE PROJECT IS FUNDED FOR DESIGN ONLY WITH 720,000 FROM FTA GRANT FUNDING. WE'RE AT 30% DESIGN, SO LAYOUTS, WATER FEASIBILITY, AND UH, UTILITIES ARE COMPLETE. NEXT SLIDE. UH, COUNCIL WILL SEE A BUSINESS ANALYSIS THIS FALL LIKELY IN NOVEMBER, AND A FINAL DESIGN WOULD BE ANTICIPATED IN MAY OF 2026. UH, PLEASE NOTE THAT WE ONLY HAVE DESIGN FUNDING FOR THIS AND THERE ARE NO DEDICATED FUNDS FOR CONSTRUCTION AT THIS TIME. SO THAT KIND OF WRAPS UP MY TRANSIT UPDATE FOR NOW. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS NOW WE'LL GO, PETE, YOU HAD A QUESTION BEFORE, SO I DON'T WANT TO, I'LL GO IN TURN. I DON'T. I DEREK, NOW. PETE, THANK YOU, . THANK YOU MAYOR. I SAW THAT COMING. , AMBER, I'M JUST LOOKING THROUGH MY NOTES HERE, AMBER, THAT I READ FROM THE PACKET THAT I WROTE FOR THE PACKET, NOT FROM YOUR PRESENTATION. UH, ONE QUESTION I HAVE REGARDING THE UPTOWN CIRCULATOR IS, UH, IS IN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU'VE HAD BEFORE, YOU'VE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT PRIVATE PART, PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU? WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU MAY BE THINKING ABOUT FOR THAT? I THINK THE ONE THING THAT'S ENCOURAGING THAT WE SAW WAS THROUGH THE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS. MOST OF THEM WERE VERY INTERESTED IN THE ADVERTISING OPPORTUNITIES, WHICH COULD PROVIDE A LEVEL OF SUPPORT AND REVENUE TO, UH, SUPPLEMENT THE SERVICE. UM, ALSO, UH, IT'S A POTENTIAL SERVICE. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT IT ACTUALLY WOULD ENTAIL, UH, WE WOULD LOOK AT BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS TO SEE IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PROVIDE THE SERVICE OR IF THEY'D LIKE TO PARTNER IN FUNDING THE SERVICE. I THINK THAT'S OPEN TO DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I THINK FIRST WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS RECOMMENDED BASED ON THE ALTERNATIVES AND THE ANALYSIS AND THE OUTREACH AND WHAT THEY'RE SEEING. YEP. GOOD. THAT, THAT'S WHERE I WAS LEADING, IS WHETHER THERE HAS BEEN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BUSINESSES THAT'LL BE SERVICED BY THIS, WHETHER THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR THEM TO HELP FUND IT. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE UNDERWAY AND IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE MAY OR MAY NOT BE WILLING TO STEP UP. WELL, MOST WERE, WERE, UH, EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF THE SERVICE. YOU KNOW, THE FIRST AND FOREMOST THING WAS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADVERTISE, BUT IT WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE A SEPARATE BRANDING AND UH, WE'D HAVE TO DO OUTREACH AND MARKETING ON IT. BUT EVERY GROUP BROUGHT UP THE POSSIBILITY TO, UH, DO ADVERTISING. GREAT. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION REALLY WANTS TO BE ON THE, UH, OH, BACK TO THE TRANSIT. UH, THE CONNECT, WHEN YOU SAID THE PILOT PROJECTS IN THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS, CHAPEL AND, AND SANDBORN. WHY ARE YOU CALLING THOSE PILOTS? WHAT IS THE, WHAT'S THE PILOT ELEMENT OF IT? OR ARE WE JUST GOING FORWARD AND ADDING THOSE SERVICES? I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT IT AS A PILOT OR A TEST PHASE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE SERVICE DOES FOR THAT EXPANSION AREA. IN THE CHAPEL AREA, THE NEIGHBORS HAD SOME CONCERNS, SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THEM BASED ON PERFORMANCE METRICS AND QUESTIONS THEY HAVE ONCE THE SERVICE GOES ONLINE. SO I BELIEVE THAT DURING THAT TEST PHASE, WE'RE GONNA BE CONSTANTLY MONITORING THE LEVEL, WHAT IT DOES TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THAT PARTICULAR SERVICE AREA. THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT DOING BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE CAN REALLY FOCUS ON THAT AREA, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT IMPACTING ON TIME PERFORMANCE WITHIN THE WHOLE SYSTEM WIDE NETWORK. AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED WITH THAT, WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS. AND WILL THE SUCCESS OF, WELL, LET'S SAY THE CHAPEL, UH, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES UP, LET'S SAY THE CHAPEL WASN'T SUCCESSFUL. HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE SANBORN PROJECT THEN? SUBSEQUENTLY I LOOK AT THEM AS TWO DIFFERENT UNIQUE AREAS AND WE WOULD PROCEED WITH THE, WITH THE SANBORN NORTH OF SANBORN AREA. THANK YOU. [00:55:01] AND I THINK MY LAST QUESTION HERE WANTS TO BE ON THE TRANSIT MAINTENANCE FACILITY, AND IT'S GONNA BE MY OLD HOBBY HORSE HERE BECAUSE I REALLY DO LOOK AT TRANSIT AS BEING NOT JUST A SEDONA ISSUE. THIS IS A REGIONAL ISSUE. WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT YOUR OUTREACH TO THE REST OF THE VERDE VALLEY POTENTIAL PARTNERS ON THIS. CAN, DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON HOW THAT'S GOING? I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED THAT WE'RE AT 30% DESIGN NOW. WE'RE GONNA HIT WHATEVER THE, THE FALL 2025 IS THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGN. AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD ENOUGH TO MAKE ME FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE'VE DONE THE OUTREACH WITH THE PARTNERS TO THINK ABOUT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT BUSINESS PLAN THAT SHOULD, WHICH INCLUDES THAT AS WELL AS, UH, WE'LL ALSO DISCUSS GOVERNANCE AND THOSE WILL BE ADDRESSED HOPEFULLY IN NOVEMBER. I MIGHT JUST THROW OUT AS WELL THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH NACOG ON, YOU KNOW, REACHING OUT TO OUR PARTNERS FOR THIS EFFORT, BUT THAT'S IN COMBINATION WITH LOOKING AT WHAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS THEIR, THEIR LATEST UPDATE TO THE VERDE VALLEY, UH, TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN AND, AND TRANSIT IS A COMPONENT OF THAT. SO WE'RE BRINGING THOSE THINGS TOGETHER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR KATHY. THANK YOU AMBER. I I WANNA GO BACK TO SLIDE EIGHT PLEASE. YOU, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT IN OCTOBER, UH, YOU'LL DEVELOP THREE SERVICE ALTERNATIVES, A LOT OF THAT BASED ON IMAGINING THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GUARDED FROM THE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AND, UM, THE VISIONING. BUT, UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TWO THINGS. ONE, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PUBLIC RESPONSE AND INPUT. UM, I WAS AT THE VISIONING WORKSHOP AT POSSE GROUNDS AND IT WAS NOT WELL ATTENDED. UM, I'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH STAFF AS AS WELL STATING THAT, UM, IF YOU TOOK AWAY ANYBODY WHO WAS CONNECTED TO THE CITY AS EITHER A STAFF, A CONSULTANT OR HAD, WAS VOLUNTEERING IN SOME CAPACITY OR HAD WAS ON COUNCIL OR PREVIOUSLY ON COUNCIL THAT LEFT TWO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT, I THINK THAT THAT'S SUFFICIENT PUBLIC OUTREACH FROM WHICH TO BREAK IT DOWN TO THREE SERVICE ALTERNATIVES. SO I'M GONNA ASK WHAT CAN YOU DO TO GET MORE INPUT AT THIS POINT BEFORE DEVELOPING THOSE THREE ALTERNATIVES? AND THEN I'LL HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOLLOWING THAT. WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT THE, THE, UH, WORK SESSIONS AND THIS WORKSHOP WAS JUST LAST THURSDAY. SO WE'RE IN DISCUSSIONS. WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, OUTREACH AND TO GET MORE ENGAGEMENT AND, UH, THAT WILL INCLUDE OUR, OUR NETWORKS. LAUREN, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS? AMBER, REMIND ME HOW MANY RESIDENTS TOOK THE SURVEY? BECAUSE THIS WAS IN COORDINATION WITH THE SURVEY. IT WASN'T JUST ONE PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETING, IT WASN'T JUST ONE SURVEY. IT WAS REALLY TOGETHER. IT WAS OVER. WE'VE, WE'VE RECEIVED OVER 270 RESIDENT SURVEYS AND TOTAL SURVEYS. UH, 420. YEAH. SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? HERE'S MY CONCERN IS THAT, UH, USUALLY OUR WAY OF GETTING PEOPLE TO ATTEND, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT HIGH ATTENDANCE, IF IT'S A HOT BUTTON ISSUE, WE KNOW PEOPLE ARE GONNA SHOW UP. BUT WE DID SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, AND WE DID A PRESS RELEASE. WE DID NOT DO A COMMUNITY-WIDE MAILER. AND MY THOUGHT FROM THAT IS THAT I WANTED TO FIRST AND FOREMOST UNDERSTAND THAT THE VISITORS WERE GOING TO USE IT, WHICH IS WHY I HAVE, UM, SOMEONE STAFFED UP THERE ON THURSDAY MORNINGS, UM, IN ADDITION TO, UM, THE VISITOR CENTER DOING A, A REALLY GREAT EFFORT TO TRY AND GET AS MANY SURVEYS TAKEN. SO HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND WE CAN TRY AND BRING THAT TO FRUITION. WELL, CAN I ASK, DID YOU TAKE AN AD FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE RED ROCK NEWS THAT, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN LOOK LIKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF JUST OUR REGULAR MEETINGS, BUT WAS THERE SOMETHING TO TRY TO ALERT THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY, UM, SOME SORT OF, UM, SOME SORT OF OTHER MEDIA USE? UH, WERE THERE RADIO ANNOUNCEMENTS OR WHAT, WHAT COULD BE DONE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE'RE HAVING THESE MEETINGS? 'CAUSE IT'S SAD AND YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT PEOPLE DON'T TURN OUT UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE ANNOYED ABOUT . UM, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION. WE HAVE THE SAME FRUSTRATION AND I'M TRYING TO, AND AS I, I DID, UH, SPEAK TO ANDY ABOUT THIS, UM, ON UH, YESTERDAY AS WELL. WE NEED TO FIND WAYS TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, UM, TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE OUT THERE BECAUSE THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHEN WE COME FORWARD THEN WITH A PROGRAM, THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE USUALLY SAY, THIS IS THE FIRST I'M HEARING ABOUT IT. HOW CAN WE CUT THAT OFF IN THE BEGINNING BY MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE DONE EVERY POSSIBLE THING? AND AS I SAID, DID WE HAVE AN AD OR DO WE DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WE DID A PRESS RELEASE, WHICH THE PRESS [01:00:01] PICKS UP AND THEY CAN RUN IN THEIR PAPER AND THEN THEY CAN RUN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RADIO ADS CAN PICK IT UP AND THEY CAN RUN WITH IT. DID I PAY, DID I DO PAID PLACEMENT? MM-HMM . NO, BUT DID I DO, UM, A PRESS RELEASE? YES. AND THEY COULD HAVE DECIDED TO PICK THAT UP AND, AND THE PRESS RELEASE WAS PICKED UP? I BELIEVE IT WAS, IT WAS, I SAW IT AND RED ROCK DUES DID PUT AN ARTICLE OUT, BUT, BUT, UM, RADIO LIKE I BROADCASTING, I DON'T THINK I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING, SO. HMM. I'LL CHECK IF THEY DID, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THEY DO, THEY THEY USUALLY PICK UP MOST EVERYTHING THAT I'VE PUT OUT. OH, OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, I, I THINK WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT PAID ADS FOR, FOR, FOR WHEN WE'RE DOING PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSIONS. I THINK THAT THAT'S, AND AGAIN, WE NEED TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX WHAT ELSE WE COULD DO. BUT THAT'S ONE THING THAT I, THAT I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF AT THIS POINT. UM, AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION THAT I HAD, SO THAT'S REALLY ON, JUST AS AN OBSERVATION AND A QUESTION IS, ONCE WE HAVE, OR YOU HAVE THE THREE SERVICE ALTERNATIVES TO PRESENT, THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE COMES FORWARD SEVERAL MONTHS AFTER THAT. BUT WHAT, WHAT'S GOING TO DICTATE THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE? WILL THERE BE A MATRIX, UM, THAT YOU RATE THEM BY AND CAN WE KNOW WHAT THOSE FACTORS ARE AHEAD OF TIME TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT MAYBE TO ADD OR, YOU KNOW, JUST TO TRY AND HAVE A MORE OF A VETTING SESSION AND GET SOME MORE INPUT? UM, WE WERE, WE WILL CERTAINLY REPORT BACK WITH THE PROS AND CONS FOR EACH ALTERNATIVE. UM, WE'RE GONNA GIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE RESEARCH THAT WE'VE DONE, BOTH FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE AS WELL AS OUR CONSULTANTS' PERSPECTIVE. UM, BUT THAT'LL ESSENTIALLY BE LIKE, LIKE A DECISION MAKE MATRIX AS YOU'RE SUGGESTING IT WILL BE A MATRIX MM-HMM . YES. AND, AND, AND IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO SEE WHAT THE, THOSE ITEMS ARE BEFORE OH, TO SEND OUT THE, IF SOMETHING SHOULD BE ADDED INFORMATION AHEAD OF TIME? YES, WE CAN. OKAY. THANK YOU BRIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I THINK MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED ALREADY, UH, BUT I WOULD POINT TO PAGE 10, UH, BRIEFLY. UM, AND JUST PLAYING ON FURTHER FROM COUNCILOR FURMAN'S QUESTIONS, UH, THAT NOVEMBER MEETING, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY IS A BIG DARN DEAL, UH, FOR US. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THERE BEING A ROBUST BUSINESS PLAN AND UNDERSTANDING HOW OTHER MEMBERS OF THE VERDE VALLEY WOULD CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE AND INTERACT WITH THE PROVISION OF SERVICES THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THAT, UH, VIA THAT CENTER. MY QUESTION TO JUST ADD ON NOW IS WOULD THAT BUSINESS CASE, WOULD THE ANALYSIS AND PRESENTATION INCLUDE SOME TYPE OF BENCHMARKING RELATIVE TO OTHER COMMUNITIES OF SIZE LIKE OURS OR A REGION LIKE OURS? UM, JUST TO GIVE US A SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU PROJECTING A MUCH HIGHER COST PER WHATEVER THE RIGHT METRIC IS, UH, TO OPERATE? OR DOES THIS LOOK TO BE VERY MUCH IN LINE? UM, IT WOULD JUST BE GOOD TO GET THAT ADDITIONAL PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU COULD INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE NOVEMBER PRESENTATION. WE COULD DO SOME BENCHMARKING IN TERMS OF OPERATIONAL COSTS OF ALONG PEERS. UH, THEY'RE ALL KIND OF, UH, WE'D HAVE TO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BUT WE COULD PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR MELISSA. SO MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED, I JUST HAVE A, A COUPLE, UM, ON THE CIRCULATOR. HAVE YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS FREE OR IS THIS GONNA BE A PRICE, LIKE A HOP ON HOP OFF SERVICE, WHICH IS TRADEMARKS? I'LL PUT THAT RIGHT THERE. UM, HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU HAD ANY OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS POST THAT QUESTION? AND WE'VE RECEIVED FEEDBACK, UH, FROM BOTH BUSINESSES, UH, RESIDENTS AS WELL AS THE VISITORS, UH, BUSINESSES, UH, AS WELL AS RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE A ZERO FARE TO LOW FARE. UH, A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES WOULD LIKE TO SEE ZERO FARE IN TERMS OF MAKING IT EASY AND ACCESSIBLE, UH, TO, UH, PROMOTE THEIR BUSINESSES. AND JUST TO MAKE IT EASY AND NOT CONFUSING, UH, WE ARE SEEING FROM THE INPUT, THE INITIAL INPUT FROM THE VISITORS, UH, THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY A LOW FARE. OKAY. SO, I MEAN, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO BUSINESSES, ZERO FARE MEANS SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE THIS, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S NOT FREE TO THE CITY FOR US TO HAVE BUSES, FOR US TO RUN, ROUTES FOR US TO HAVE DRIVERS. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CLEAR WHEN WE'RE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT SOMEONE'S GONNA BE PAYING FOR THIS. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO MAYBE JUMP IN HERE FOR A SECOND. SO I, I DEFINITELY WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THERE'S BEEN NO PROMISES MADE SO FAR. THERE'S ONLY BEEN DISCUSSION MM-HMM . AND FEEDBACK GATHERED. BUT, UM, THIS, THIS TIES INTO WHAT WE'RE ALSO DOING WITH PARKING. SO WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT NOW AT [01:05:01] WHAT OUR FEE STRUCTURE IS GONNA BE FOR PARKING AND ANY EXCESS REVENUE FOR THAT, HOW THAT COULD TIE BACK TO THIS, UM, NEED FOR FUNDING. SO WE'LL BE COMING BACK WITH THAT INFORMATION FOR COUNCIL ALONG WITH THIS EFFORT. OH, I SAW SOME OF IT IN THE PACKET ALREADY. YEAH. BUT, UM, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT FREE TO THE CITY FOR US TO DO THIS, AND WE, WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. UM, SO WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT VISITORS, AND ARE THESE PEOPLE THAT WERE ALREADY, THESE ARE INTERCEPT SURVEYS, PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY IN THE CITY THAT YOU, WHO, WHO ARE THE VISITORS? WE'VE DONE SOME OUTREACH WITH, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR VISITOR CENTER. SO THEY ARE REQUESTING THAT INFORMATION AS WELL AS WE'VE PROVIDED THE INFORMATION TO BUSINESSES AND SURVEYS, UH, THE, THE, UH, QR CODE. SO A LOT OF THEM ARE FROM THE VISITOR CENTER AND SOME ARE JUST THOSE THAT HAVE GONE ONLINE AND PROVIDED US THE INFORMATION. OKAY. SO, UM, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA LOOK, LOOK AT LAUREN FOR A SECOND AND SAY, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY FOR US TO THINK ABOUT OUTREACH TO POTENTIAL VISITORS TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THIS MIGHT, IN ESSENCE, BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD FIND OF INTEREST? UM, IT LIKE A, A ADDED BONUS TO COME TO SEDONA KIND OF THING? UM, SO THESE ARE POTENTIAL VISITORS. THEY MAY OR MAY NOT COME HERE, BUT TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS WOULD BE A SERVICE THAT THEY WOULD USE IF THEY CAME HERE. TELL ME THE BENEFIT OF ASKING PEOPLE WHO ARE IN MARKET. WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF ASKING SOMEONE WHO MAY OR MAY NOT COME HERE? IS THE, IS THE, ISN'T THE OPINION OF THE PERSON WHO'S ALREADY IN MARKET JUST AS VALUABLE AS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? OH, I'M NOT SAYING NOT TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING, FOR SURE. I'M SAYING IS THERE ANY ADVANTAGE TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE WHO, UM, WHO MIGHT COME TO MARKET ARE THINKING, WOW, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT I HAD THE ABILITY TO USE THIS SERVICE TO MOVE BETWEEN THESE VARIOUS POINTS OF INTEREST. I, IT'S, IT'S JUST A QUESTION TO THROW OUT THERE. AND I, YOU KNOW, THE ANSWER CAN ABSOLUTELY BE NO. SO I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW I WOULD DO THAT WITHOUT CON DILUTING OUR OWN MARKETING EFFORT OF TRYING TO GET THEM HERE BY THEN ASKING THEM TO TAKE A SURVEY. WE DO HAVE OUR OWN, UM, UH, SIGN UP FOR OUR, OUR NEWSLETTERS, SO I COULD, I COULD LOOK AT THAT AS AN AVENUE. LET, LET ME JUST THINK ON IT. YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE SAYING, HEY, THERE'S THESE NEW COOL THINGS THAT COULD BE HAPPENING IN SEDONA KIND OF THING, AND ARE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THAT? THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO GET TO. UM, SO WE TALKED ABOUT POOR RESIDENT TURNOUT FOR THE CIRCULATOR. AND FOR ME, I'M NOT SURE, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'VE ASKED YOUR QUESTIONS AND STUFF, BUT AS A RESIDENT, I'M NOT SURE THAT I WOULD USE A CIRCULATOR. LIKE IF I WANTED TO GO TO HILLSIDE, I WOULD USE THE CONNECT AND SAY, TAKE ME TO TAKE ME TO HILLSIDE. LIKE, I, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA GO TO HILLSIDE AND TO LOCK, WHICH I COULD WALK TO, UM, FROM HILLSIDE, OR I WANNA GO TO UPTOWN. IT JUST FEELS TO ME LIKE MAYBE THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY A RESIDENT SERVICE, A CIRCULATOR. UM, AND THAT MIGHT BE WHY YOU'RE GETTING SOME LOW RESPONSE TO IT. THEY'RE NOT SEEING IT AS ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE POTENTIALLY OF INTEREST BECAUSE WE HAVE CONNECT. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANNA THINK ABOUT THAT. THAT JUST OCCURRED TO ME AND I WANTED TO SAY HAVE AT IT, UM, ON THE CHAPEL PILOT, UM, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN CHAPEL, I'M LOOKING AT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN CHAPEL. UM, ARE THERE CONCERNS AROUND THEIR USAGE OR IS THERE CONCERNS AROUND THE SERVICE CREATING AN INCREASE IN VISITORS TO VISIT THE CHAPEL? TO HAVE, YEAH. DO YOU WANT ME TO JUMP IN THERE? IF YOU'D LIKE TO CAM. SO IT'S, IT'S BACK TO THE OLD INDUCED DEMAND CONCEPT. UH, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GRAPPLED WITH IN THE PAST, THAT'S THE SIMPLIFIED VERSION IS BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME. SO YES, TO DIRECTLY ANSWER THE CONCERN IS THAT WE WOULD BE MAKING IT EASIER, UM, TO HAVE MORE VISITATION TO THAT AREA AND, AND MORE VOLUME OF PEOPLE NOW ABLE TO VISIT THAT AREA. WHAT WE'VE FOUND THROUGH OUR RESEARCH, UM, IN THE PAST ON THAT SPECIFIC TOPIC IS THAT TYPICALLY THE DEMAND FOR SEDONA, FOR INSTANCE, IS, IS SOMETHING THAT'S IN PLACE ALREADY. FOLKS FROM DIFFERENT AREAS ARE ALREADY WANTING TO COME TO SEDONA BY BUILDING A NEW FACILITY OR PROVIDING A NEW SERVICE THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ATTRACT A LARGE NEW NUMBER OF VISITATION OR PEOPLE TO THE AREA. UM, [01:10:01] THERE'S LOTS OF EXAMPLES OF HOW THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN PROVEN OUT. SO LET ME REITERATE FOR MY OWN CLARITY. SURE. YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING YOU BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO VISIT THE CHAPEL ARE GOING TO VISIT THE CHAPEL ANYWAY. YES. AND WHETHER WE PROVIDE A WAY FOR THEM NOT TO DRIVE OR THEY DRIVE THOSE AS THE SAME SET OF PEOPLE. YES. AND THEN EXTRAPOLATING THAT OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW THEY'RE, UM, IMPACTED BY THE SERVICE. WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY'RE NOW USING THE SERVICE. AND THAT'S WHAT THEIR HOPE IS. AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE, THE TEST PHASE AND THE PILOT OF THIS PROJECT. THEY, UH, WORKING WITH THOSE, UH, THOSE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS, THE CHAPEL AREA AS WELL AS THE MYSTIC, THEY'RE ONE GROUP. THEY, THEY DID SURVEY OUTREACH, PROVIDED INFORMATION. THEY HAVE A GREAT WORKING COMMITTEE AND GROUP THAT WE HAVE MET TWICE ALREADY. WE DID A FIELD TRIP. WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THESE ISSUES. AND A LOT OF THIS COMMITTEE'S PHILOSOPHY IS THAT IF THEY CAN ABLE TO TAKE VEHICLES OFF THE ROAD INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD BY PUTTING PEOPLE ON THE CONNECT INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO TO THREE CARS, UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT CREATING SOME BASELINE DATA, UH, AS WE, UH, CONTINUE WITH THE SERVICE PHASE IN THE PILOT. THANK YOU. THE REST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. BRIAN, FOLLOW UP. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT THE CHAPEL NEIGHBORS ARE ASKING FOR THIS PILOT, AND IT'S FOR THEM BEING ABLE, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO USE IT, NOT JUST THINKING ABOUT IT FROM A VISITOR PERSPECTIVE. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THAT WAS CLEAR. LIKE THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO GET TO APPOINTMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THANK YOU. THEY ARE, THEY'RE SEEING THEIR RESIDENTS THAT WOULD REALLY LIKE TO UTILIZE THIS SERVICE. ONE INDIVIDUAL IN THEIR COMMUNITY, UH, CURRENTLY WALKS TO, UH, POCO TO WHERE THEY CAN HIT THE VERDE SHUTTLE TO GET INTO TOWN. SO THIS WOULD BENEFIT A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS IN THAT COMMUNITY, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THANKS, MAYOR. WELL, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED, BUT I, I TOO WANTED TO REITERATE THAT THE CHAPEL NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN ASKING FOR THIS. WHY WON'T WE INCLUDED TO BEGIN WITH? SO I THINK THAT THEY ARE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY. UH, THE, THE CIRCULATOR, I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE CIRCULATOR. IS IT GOING TO BE SIMILAR TO THE SHUTTLE BUSES? YES. UH, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE LOOKING AT IT AND WHILE THEY HAVEN'T PROVIDED ANY, ANY DIRECT FEEDBACK OR ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON VEHICLE SIZE, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT A VEHICLE SIZE SIMILAR TO THE TRAIL HEADS OR EVEN THE CONNECT VEHICLES RIGHT NOW. SO, YOU KNOW THAT SOMEBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN PRETTY VOCAL ABOUT HOW TO DISTINGUISH ONE BUS AND ONE ROUTE FROM ANOTHER, UH, BY, YOU KNOW, HAVING, OKAY, I FOUND THIS ON THE WEB FOR, DO YOU KNOW THAT SOMEBODY SEE ? UH, ARE WE LOOKING AT A WAY TO DISTINGUISH THE ROOTS SO THAT IF YOU WANT THE CONNECT, YOU'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE YELLOW AND IF YOU WANT THE CIRCULATOR TO BE BLUE SOMEHOW, OR ANOTHER WAY IN WHICH TO DISTINGUISH THEM SO THAT THE PUBLIC WILL FIND IT EASIER TO KNOW WHICH BUS THEY TAKE. YES. PARTICULARLY THE FEEDBACK AND THE INITIAL FEEDBACK THAT WE SAW WITH, UH, FOLKS IS THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE, HAVE ITS OWN IDENTITY, EASY IDENTIFIED, LACKS CONFUSION FROM THE OTHER SERVICES. SO WE WOULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT IT A DIFFERENT IDENTITY FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SERVICE WITH A DIFFERENT VEHICLE WRAP AND, AND VISION. SO, GREAT. I'M GLAD YOU'RE THINKING THAT WAY. SO I TOO WOULD LIKE TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT AND DO MORE OUTREACH. HOWEVER, UH, MANY OF US ON THE, THE DAYS HERE, BACK IN, DURING COVID DAYS, WHEN WE DID THUNDER MOUNTAIN, UH, SANDBORN, WE HAD, UH, I DUNNO IF IT WAS STAFF OR I GUESS IT WAS STAFF GOING OUT ACTUALLY KNOCKING ON DOORS, HANDING FLYERS TO PEOPLE OTHER THAN WALKING IN AND SITTING DOWN AT THE DINNER TABLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE OUTREACH YOU COULD HAVE DONE. AND YET STILL PEOPLE CAME FROM THAT ROAD AND SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. SO I JUST WANT, I'M CONCERNED, AND I DON'T MIND DOING IT. I DON'T MIND SPENDING, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING SPENDING THE MONEY OF IT, BUT THE EXPECTATION MAY BE TOO HIGH THINKING THAT WE'RE GONNA GO OUT AND WE'RE GONNA GO TAKE ADS IN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER, AND [01:15:01] THAT'S GONNA BRING GROUPS OF PEOPLE HERE. IT JUST MIGHT NOT. SO I JUST WANT TO, I'M WALKING INTO THIS WITH AN OPEN MIND THAT WE'VE DONE EXACTLY WHAT WAS THERE. WELL, EXCEPT FOR THE NEWSPAPER ADS, UH, YOU'VE DONE EXACTLY. I MEAN, YOU'VE WORKED, I THINK, LAUREN, YOU WERE YOU DOING IT BACK THEN? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE THE OUTREACH, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK DONE AND IT, WE STILL GOT COMPLAINTS, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. AND AS FAR AS, UM, THE, UH, CIRCULATOR, WHAT IS THE PARAMETER OF, I KNOW IT'S GONNA DO TALKA, UH, HILLSIDE, AK, SOUTH HILLSIDE, I DON'T KNOW. THEY'RE GONNA DO BOTH SIDES OF TIL LOCK PKI. WHAT'S THE EXPECTATION? OR DO YOU NOT HAVE THAT YET? WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT THE EXPECTATION IS THAT IT WOULD SERVE BOTH SIDES OF TILL LOCK P. OKAY. AND WOULD IT JUST SERVICE THE PARKING GARAGE, OR WOULD IT GO NORTH OF THE PARKING GARAGE PERHAPS OVER TO THE, UH, SOGA PARKING LOT? WE WOULD LIKELY LOOK AT IT AS CONNECTING, UH, AS WE DO OUR PARKING MANAGEMENT WORK AND STRATEGIES IN TERMS OF HOW WE BALANCE THAT CIRCULATION. UH, IT, WE WOULD LOOK AT IT, UH, ACCESSING OUR MUNICIPAL LOTS AS WELL. SO THAT WOULD HELP ALL THE, UH, UH, SECTIONS UP THERE. AND IT WOULD ALSO COULD TIE INTO, AS WE LOOK AT, UH, WITH, UH, AS WE CONSOLIDATE THESE LOTS WITH PARKING AND LOOK AT, UH, WITH THE BUSINESSES, WE WOULD, WE WOULD SUPPORT IT, BUT IT WOULD BE BUSINESS LED, IDENTIFYING POSSIBLE PLACES FOR THE EMPLOYEES TO PARK THAT THEY COULD UTILIZE THE CIRCULATOR AS WELL. SO YOU HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO YET. YES. AND A LOT MORE RESEARCH TO DO, BUT AT LEAST YOU'RE OPEN TO DOING THAT. MM-HMM . I, I APPRECIATE THAT. ALRIGHT, DO YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SECTION AND THEN, UM, SURE. LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT PARKING. AND I'M GONNA ASK FOR EVERYBODY'S PATIENCE. UH, WE DO HAVE A VACANCY IN OUR DEPARTMENT. UH, OUR PARKING MANAGER DID DEPART THE CITY DUE TO, UH, ISSUES BEYOND HIS CONTROL. SO WE'VE HAD A VACANCY WITHIN THE AIR, WITHIN THE DIVISION, UH, FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS. SO I, UH, MY DEPARTMENT IS OVERSEEING, UH, PARKING, SO I MAY NOT HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS SINCE I'VE ONLY BEEN BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR A COUPLE MONTHS. BUT I'M GONNA LEAN ON ANDY, UH, IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. AND IF WE CAN'T FIND THE ANSWER RIGHT NOW, UM, WE WILL GET IT TO YOU. UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR KEY TOPICS. WE ARE STILL, UH, WORKING WITH ATHENA PARTNERS AND THEIR GUIDANCE, AND WE'RE DEVELOPING AN INTEGRATED PLATFORM FOR OCCUPANCY MONITORING, WAYFINDING, MOBILE PAYMENTS ENFORCEMENT, AND PERMITTING. I'LL LINK TO THE UPTOWN GARAGE, OUR MUNICIPAL PARKING LOTS AND RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PROGRAM. AND, UM, EVEN WITH THIS VACANCY, UH, WE ARE STILL WORKING WITH ATHENA PARTNERS AND STAFF TO ENSURE PROJECTS CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. JUST AN UPDATE ON THE POSITION THAT WE WILL BE, UH, HAVING ADDITIONAL ROUNDS OF INTERVIEWS IN PERSON NEXT WEEK. UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE SOON THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FILL THE POSITION. UH, THIS POSITION, UH, IS CRITICAL IN CARING FORWARD OUR KEY INITIATIVES SUCH AS THE UPTOWN GARAGE INTEGRATION, OUR RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PROGRAM ROLLOUT, AND DYNAMIC FEE AND FEE STRUCTURING AND OUR ENFORCEMENT TECHNOLOGY. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT TECHNOLOGY FIRST WITH THE PARKING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. SO THIS FALL WE WILL BE TESTING A NEW, TESTING THE TECHNOLOGY, UH, IN ONE OF OUR MUNICIPAL AREAS, LOTS OR, UH, ONE OF OUR IDENTIFIED AREAS TO LOOK AT OCCUPANCY MONITORING AND WAY FINDING THE GOALS FOR THIS OVERALL PARKING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WOULD BE INTEGRATED WITH OUR GARAGE AND IT WOULD CUT DOWN ON CIRCULATION AND IT WOULD MAKE PARKING EASIER FOR VISITORS AND ALLOW FOR DYNAMIC PRICING AND PARKING DEMAND. SO THE FULL ROLLOUT OF THIS TECHNOLOGY WOULD COME IN WINTER AND SPRING OF 2026, UH, RIGHT WHEN THE GARAGE OPENS. BUT WE WILL BE WORKING ON THAT PILOT THIS FALL. SO TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, WE'RE ALSO ROLLING OUT A RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMIT PROGRAM. MM-HMM. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 123 SPACES ON SMITH WILSON, VAN DAREN AND PRICE STREETS THAT WOULD TRANSITION TO PERMIT ONLY FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT RESIDE IN THOSE AREAS TO PROTECT RESIDENTS ACCESS TO THE STREETS AND TO THEIR PROPERTY. OUR OUTREACH IS UNDERWAY. WE'VE DONE DIRECT MAILERS, DOOR TO DOOR ENGAGEMENT AND SHORT TERM RENTAL [01:20:01] PROPERTY OWNERS AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT OUTREACH. WE ARE MODELING IT AFTER THE RIM SHADOWS PERMIT PROGRAM AND THE PRECEDENT THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED DUE TO NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACTS DUE TO VISITOR SPILLOVER. OUR POLICY AND APPROACH WILL INCLUDE POTENTIAL EDUCATION AND SUBSEQUENT OUTREACH, AND IT'LL BE REFINED AS WE RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS IN THE SHORT TERM RENTAL. FOLKS. UH, IMPLEMENTATION WILL PHASE IN THE WINTER WITH THE GARAGE OPENING. SO AS WE PROTECT OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS IN THE UPTOWN, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING INTO CONSOLIDATING OUR UPTOWN SCATTERED LOTS. THIS SLIDE ACTUALLY PROVIDES, UH, SOME INFORMATION. OUR PUBLIC PARKING LOT SUPPLY IS SHIFTING. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT PURCHASED LOT ONE, UH, THAT HAD 70, UH, STALLS OR SPACES, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY OFFLINE. LOT TWO WAS A LEASE LOT THAT NOW HAS GONE BACK TO A PRIVATE FEE LOT THAT HAD ABOUT 32 SPACES, WHICH ARE STILL ONLINE, BUT JUST NOT PUBLICLY MANAGED. AND LOT EIGHT, WHICH IS ACROSS FROM THE PARKING GARAGE, UH, WILL BE SOLD BY THE FIRE DISTRICT THAT HAD 23 SPOTS. THEY'RE CURRENTLY OFFLINE SINCE THIS AREA'S BEING USED FOR STAGING FOR THE PARKING GARAGE. SO CONSOLIDATION OF OUR LOTS MEANS FEWER, BETTER MANAGED LOCATIONS AND WITH THE NEW GARAGE IN THE SOUTH AND THE MUNICIPAL LOT IN THE NORTH. SO THIS REDUCES CIRCULATION AND STRENGTHENS WAY FINDING IN OUR UPTOWN AREA. OUR REMAINING SMALL LOTS, UM, ARE UNDER REVIEW FOR POTENTIAL REPURPOSING, POSSIBLY LOOKING FOR EMPLOYEE OR, UH, DEDICATION FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING OR CONSOLIDATION JUST INTO OUR MUNICIPAL SYSTEM. UH, JUST TO NOTE THAT IN 2023, THE KIMLEY HORN STUDY, UH, INDICATED THAT OUR CONSOLIDATION PAIRED WITH THE UPTOWN GARAGE WAS OUR HIGHEST PERFORMING ALTERNATIVE FOR IMPROVING OUR CONGESTION SAFETY AND ACCESS IN THAT AREA. YES. UM, WHILE WE ARE FOCUSED ON OUR RESIDENTIAL OUTREACH REGARDING THE PARKING PERMIT PROGRAM, WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO BUSINESSES REQUESTING POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO THEM AND THEIR EMPLOYEES. IF THAT RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMIT WOULD TRANSITION THOSE STREET SPACES ON THOSE FOUR STREETS OF SMITH WILSON VANDER AND PRICE TO PERMITTED FOUR RESIDENCE ONLY. UM, THE INITIAL, UH, THE INITIAL FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED SAID THAT THEY'VE, THEY WOULD BE IMPACTED BY LOSING SOME OF THIS FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING, BUT THEY'RE OPEN TO ALTERNATIVES. UH, A POTENTIAL STRATEGY WOULD BE TO DEVELOP A LEASE OR EMPLOYEE ONLY PARKING PERMIT SOLUTIONS. BUT TO NOTE THAT THE CITY'S ROLE WOULD ONLY BE TO SUPPORT AND COORDINATE AND THAT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR A BUSINESS CHAMPION OR BUSINESSES, UH, WE WOULD NOT DIRECTLY MANAGE IT. UH, IT WOULD BE BUSINESS ADMINISTERED. SO IT'S IMPERATIVE AND REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO, UH, FIND A BUSINESS CHAMPION. UH, WE, UH, HAVE REQUESTED, UH, AS IN OUR OUTREACH IF FOLKS WOULD WORK WITH US, AND WE ARE HOPING THAT WE WILL HAVE STRATEGIES FINALIZED THIS WINTER. UH, WITH ROLLOUT AND MORE INFORMATION, UH, IT WOULD ROLL OUT IN THE SPRING OF 2026. SO PRICING WILL MAKE THE WHOLE SYSTEM SUSTAINABLE AND WILL HELP WITH PARKING DEMAND AND MANAGEMENT. UH, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT A PARKING FEE STRUCTURE THAT WILL COME TO YOU ALL, UH, FOR RECOMMENDATIONS AND FOR YOUR INPUT AND APPROVAL. UH, WE ARE WORKING ON, UH, DYNAMIC PRICING SCENARIOS, BUT PRICING MANAGES OUR DEMAND AND COVERS OUR COSTS. UM, THIS IS JUST SOME INITIAL WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST THAT AT $2 AN HOUR, WE WOULD BREAK EVEN AT TWO 50 AN HOUR. THE GARAGE WOULD GENERATE ABOUT 200 TO 370,000 IN SURPLUS. AND AT 300 REVENUES WOULD BE AT ABOUT 400, 700,000 IN SURPLUS. EXCUSE ME. UH, $3. OH, I SAY, I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. , IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. YEAH. UH, $3 AN HOUR VERSUS $300 AN HOUR. I JUST WANT TO JUMP IN. , WE GET A LOT OF REVENUE TOWARDS TRANSIT, SO I APOLOGIZE. UM, THESE FUNDS WOULD COVER OUR GARAGE OPERATIONS AND MANAGEMENT, UH, POTENTIALLY SUPPORT OUR RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PROGRAM ENFORCEMENT, AND WE COULD REINVEST IT INTO TRANSIT IN THIS AREA. UH, ATHENA IS WORKING WITH US ON A FEE STRUCTURE THAT WILL INCLUDE DYNAMIC PRICE, DYNAMIC PRICING SCENARIOS, AND WE SHOULD GET RECOMMENDATIONS IN OCTOBER THAT WE WILL ALSO BE BRINGING TO COUNCIL. SO OUR [01:25:01] PARKING SYSTEM IS BUILT ON A FEW SIMPLE PRINCIPLES. UH, THEY ARE TO MAKE OUR UPTOWN A TRUE PARK ONCE MODEL, UH, MANAGE ALL OF OUR CITY PUBLIC PARKING IS ONE SYSTEM, PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IN THIS BUSINESS DISTRICT AND BY THE GARAGE, AND TO EMBRACE TECHNOLOGY FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE AND INFORMED DECISIONS WITH DATA. SO, I'D LIKE TO CLOSE WITH THE TIMELINE OF WHAT YOU'LL BE SEEING FROM OUR PARKING NEXT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FALL OF 2025 THAT WE WILL LAUNCH THIS TECH PILOT AND COMPLETE OUR RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PROGRAM OUTREACH. IN THIS WINTER, WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMIT ROLLOUT, AS WELL AS RECOMMENDATIONS TO OUT COUNCIL ALONG WITH FEE INTEGRATION. AND, UH, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT SPRING OF 2026, UH, HOPEFULLY WORKING WITH BUSINESSES TO, UH, ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THOSE EMPLOYEE PARKING SOLUTIONS AND OUR FULL FEE ACTIVATION ALL IMPLEMENTED AND COORDINATED WITH THE GARAGE OPENING. SO AS WE LOOK AT THIS, UH, TRANSIT AND PARKING ARE ADVANCING IN TANDEM, UH, AND TOGETHER WE ARE HOPING TO REDUCE CONGESTION, PROTECT OUR SEDONA NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE UPTOWN, AND CREATE A MORE SEAMLESS VISITOR AND RESIDENCE EXPERIENCE. THANK YOU, AMBER. THANK YOU. UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS ON PARKING, MR. TO MY RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. OKAY. ON SLIDE 15, WHAT DO THE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE STARTED OUTREACH TO THE RESIDENTS IN UPTOWN. ANY HIGH LEVEL THOUGHTS OR SUMMARY THAT YOU CAN SHARE ABOUT, UH, WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING? SO FAR, WE ARE SEEING THAT ABOUT 70% STRONGLY SUPPORTED OF THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE CURRENTLY RESPONDED, WE'RE GONNA DO MORE OUTREACH. UH, 30%, UH, ARE, WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION. I THINK THEY HAVE QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF HOW THE PROCESS AND THE PERMITTING, UH, PROJECT AND PROGRAM WOULD GO. UH, THERE'S QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED ABOUT GUESTS AND WAYS TO MANAGE IT TO MAKE IT EASY, PARTICULARLY WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UH, FOR ACCESS AND, UH, JUST ADMINISTERING THE PROGRAM. OKAY. AND HOW MUCH IS A PARKING FINE IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW? IS IT, IS THE FINE THE SAME NO MATTER WHERE YOU, YOU INCUR IT? DO WE KNOW? YEAH, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE FINE IS. IT'S, IT'S, UH, SPECIFIC TO THE TYPE OF VIOLATION, NOT THE LOCATION. YEAH, FOR, OKAY. SO IF YOU STAY PAST THE, AND I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IF YOU STAY PAST, UM, UH, YOUR METER, IT'S ONE FINE. IF YOU PARK SOMEWHERE, IT'S NOT ALLOWED. IT'S A DIFFERENT FINE. IF YOU PARK IN FIRE LANE, IT'S A DIFFERENT FINE. THOSE WERE ALL UPDATED BY COUNCIL ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO. WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS JUST WONDERING OUT LOUD, LIKE WE, WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST THAT IF THE FINE'S NOT HIGH ENOUGH, VISITORS WILL SAY, I'LL TAKE THE FINE. SO JUST WONDERING IF WE'RE WORKING THAT INTO OUR THOUGHT PROCESS. SO I'LL, I'LL JUST JUMP IN THAT NOT ONLY ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE BOOTING OR OTHER SYSTEMS LIKE THAT, THAT WE MIGHT INTEGRATE WITH THAT ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT SLIDE 16. THE QUESTION THERE, HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT OFFERING TO THE PRIVATE PARKING LOT OWNERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR SYSTEM? WOULD WE BE ABLE TO SHARE THEIR EARNED REVENUE WITH THEM IF THEY WANTED TO BE PART OF AN OVERALL CONSOLIDATED SYSTEM USING THE APP THE WAY FINDING, ET CETERA? IS THAT A DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD WITH ANY OF THE LOT OWNERS? IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN BROUGHT UP AND UH, WE WILL ACTUALLY, THERE'S A FEW THAT HAVE WANTED AND HAVE REQUESTED AND WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM TOMORROW. UH, IN TERMS OF TECHNOLOGY RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT TECHNOLOGY TO MANAGE THEIR PARKING AND WE WERE GONNA DISCUSS WAYS TO COORDINATE. GREAT. OKAY. AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE, OKAY, SO BUSINESS LED, AND I BELIEVE YOU SAID YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A BUSINESS CHAMPION. SO RIGHT NOW THERE ISN'T ONE. WE'VE HAD A FEW THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING TO START COMMUNICATING WITH SINCE WE STARTED THE OUTREACH. OKAY. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. LAST QUESTION. SO THE EXAMPLE SCENARIOS OF 2, 2 50 AND 300 THAT, UH, YOU SHARED [01:30:01] WITH US. NOT GONNA LET YOU LIVE THAT ONE DOWN. SORRY. UM, THAT'S ALL GOOD. YOU SAID NOT CALLING IT VALLEY VERDE LEASE THIS TIME. IT'S ALL GOOD. UM, SO WILL YOU BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH US OFFLINE KIND OF WHAT THE, THOSE SCENARIOS, SOME MODELING SCENARIOS, WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE? I MEAN, IF WE CAN COVER THE DEBT SERVICE, UM, AND BE IT A BREAK EVEN AT EVEN $2, I FIND THAT SURPRISING. PLEASANTLY SO, BUT SURPRISING 'CAUSE MY SORT OF BACK OF THE ENVELOPE SUGGESTED IT WAS GONNA REQUIRE A MUCH HIGHER FEE. SO I'M INTERESTED JUST TO SEE WHAT KIND OF UTILIZATION RATES, ASSUMPTIONS ARE GOING IN, THAT KIND OF THING. AND THEN I ALSO WOULD WONDER OUT LOUD, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU TAKING INTO ACCOUNT HOW THIS IS PRICED RELATIVE TO THE TRANSIT CONNECT AND MAKING SURE WE'RE CREATING THE RIGHT INCENTIVES FOR USE OF THAT VERSUS DRIVING IN AND PARKING. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT A BALANCED STRATEGY AND APPROACH, UH, WITH PARKING AND TRANSIT AND WITH OUR, WITH OUR BUSINESS PARTNERS IN TERMS OF THEIR PRIVATE PARKING. SO IT'S AN INTEGRATED, COORDINATED EFFORT. SO, UH, THAT WE DON'T HAVE ONE ISSUE THAT WE CREATE ANOTHER. SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT AND, UH, DISCUSSIONS AND KNOW THAT THERE'S A NEED. SO WE WE'RE STARTING THOSE CONVERSATIONS ALREADY. UM, IN TERMS OF THE SCENARIOS TO SHARE WITH YOU, WE CAN PROVIDE THOSE MODELS AND SCENARIOS TO YOU ALL. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR MELISSA. SO BRIAN ASKED MOST OF MY QUESTIONS, BUT UM, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT ACTUALLY DOES CITY SUPPORTED MEAN WHEN YOU COME TO BUSINESS LED CITY SUPPORTED? WHAT, WHAT SUPPORT IS THE CITY PROVIDING? WHAT'S THAT, WHAT'S THAT REALLY MEAN THROUGH THIS PROCESS, PARTICULARLY AS WE LOOK AT OUR EXISTING LOTS THAT WE'RE LEASING, MAYBE WE TAKE A LOOK AT PROVIDING OR GIVING THAT LEASE OR SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GIVE UP THE LEASE IF ONE OF YOU ALL WANT TO ADMINISTER AN EMPLOYEE PARKING PROGRAM. I THINK, AND FORGIVE ME, AND MAYBE ANDY CAN PROVIDE SOME MORE INFORMATION SINCE I'M RELATIVELY NEW TO THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PHASE OF IT. UH, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS JUST HOW CAN WE KIND OF COORDINATE, BUT THEY WOULD BE ADMINISTERING IT AND MANAGING IT ON THEIR OWN. YEAH, I I WOULD JUST REITERATE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO HELP FACILITATE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, HELP THEM COME UP WITH IDEAS AND SOLUTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WE'VE MADE IT CLEAR IN OUR DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE TAKING THE LEAD ON THE ADMINISTRATION OF THAT PROGRAM. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, GOING BACK TO SLIDE 15 ON THE RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PARKING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STREET SMITH WILSON VANDEEN AND PRICE BETWEEN FOREST ROAD AND SCHLEY, RIGHT? CORRECT. HAVE ANY OF THE LOCAL RESIDENTS ASKED FOR A DIFFERENT AREA? DO THEY FEEL THAT THIS AREA IS SUFFICIENT OR TOO LARGE? 'CAUSE WE DID GET SOME FEEDBACK A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO FROM ONE OR TWO PEOPLE IN UPTOWN WHO WERE QUESTIONING HOW FAR TO THE NORTH WE SHOULD GO. WE HAVEN'T HEARD THAT YET, BUT WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO, THERE WAS SOME DOOR TO DOOR OUTREACH TODAY. UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HEAR MORE FROM THE OUTREACH AS WE WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS A LAYERED APPROACH. WE'LL BE DOING SOME MORE OUTREACH TO GET MORE, MORE INFORMATION TO SEE IF THIS IS, IF THIS IS THE LOCATION OR IF THERE'S A NEED FOR LESS OR MORE. I, OKAY. I WOULD JUST JUMP IN AND SAY, WHEN, WHEN WE BUILT THE PROGRAM FOR SOLDIER, THE SOLDIER PASS AREA, WE INITIALLY INSTALLED A PERMIT PROGRAM IN A CERTAIN AREA KNOWING THAT IT COULD NEED TO EXPAND AND IT IN FACT, DID WE HAD TO COME BACK LATER AND EXPAND THAT, THAT, THAT'S LIKELY TO HAPPEN HERE. UM, WE THINK THE AREA THAT WE'RE STARTING WITH IS A, A GOOD STARTING POINT, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE READY TO BE ABLE TO PIVOT IF, IF THAT NEED COMES UP. OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. BECAUSE IT'S A SENSITIVE TOPIC, OBVIOUSLY. UH, THE, I KNOW THAT THE RED ROCK NEWS GAVE UP THEIR, UH, FREE PARKING AND THEIR, THEIR CHARGING, AND NOW UA PLAZA HAS NOTIFIED US THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING THE SAME THING. HOW IS THAT? WE, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT YESTERDAY. HOW IS THAT 'CAUSE THAT THE RED ROCK NEWS PARKING IS ALREADY OFFLINE OR IT'S IT'S BEING, BEING UH, UH, CHARGED [01:35:01] FOR PARKING NOW. AND UA I BELIEVE WAS GONNA BE TRANSITIONING IN MARCH AND THE GARAGE DOESN'T OPEN UNTIL THE SPRING. SO THERE'LL BE SEVERAL MONTHS WHERE THAT PARKING WON'T BE AVAILABLE. DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT OR PEOPLE JUST START GETTING USED TO PAYING FOR PARKING? I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING, UH, COLLABORATIVELY WITH, WITH THE SAGAL PLAZA. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY WE'RE KIND OF WAITING TO SEE WHAT WE WERE DOING IN TERMS OF OUR FEE STRUCTURE. SO WE'RE GONNA WORK TOGETHER AS A PARTNERSHIP JUST TO PROVIDE INFORMATION AND, UH, JUST ENSURE THAT THE INFORMATION, THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE MAKING THEIR DECISIONS ON, THEY HAVE WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING. SO THEY'LL BE PART OF THE OUTREACH AND OUR, OUR FEE STRUCTURE. OKAY. I SHOULD, I SHOULD THROW IN THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESSES AS WELL THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. ABSOLUTELY. WE WILL BE DOING THE SAME THING WITH THEM, OF COURSE. AND ON THE PARKING FEE STRUCTURE ON PAGE 18, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHAT BRIAN SAID AND WHAT YOU SAID IS THE SAME THING. YOU SAID THAT THE BREAK EVEN, AT LEAST WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY WOULD COVER THE O AND M COSTS. DID YOU INCLUDE IN THAT THE DEBT SERVICE? 'CAUSE BRIAN TALKED ABOUT DEBT SERVICE. I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. YEAH. AND ACTUALLY THE, WE FIRST DID THAT, THAT $2 ANALYSIS BACK WHEN WE BONDED. SO THAT PART OF THIS ANALYSIS HAS BEEN DONE FOR A LONG TIME. IT DID INCLUDE MAINTENANCE, UH, DEBT FINANCING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL INCLUSIVE IN THAT NUMBER. UM, REMEMBER HOW MUCH THINGS HAVE GONE UP SINCE THAT WAS DONE. YEAH, YEAH. COSTS. UM, AND, AND THESE ARE JUST SCENARIOS TO THROW OUT TO BEGIN THE DISCUSSION. SO AS WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO REALLY DRILL THESE THINGS DOWN AS, AS WE FURTHER DEVELOP THIS AND EVENTUALLY COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNSEL, BECAUSE I THINK WE WERE PRETTY CLEAR THAT AT AND AMBER, YOU AREN'T HERE AT THE TIME, THAT THE COST OF THE PARKING, THE CHARGES HAD TO INCLUDE THE DEBT SERVICE MM-HMM . YEAH. THAT WAS BY BRIAN. YES. YEAH. OUR BOND ANALYSIS DEPENDED ON THAT. YES. OKAY. WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT ALSO AS, UH, AS YOU REQUESTED, WE'LL PROVIDE THE SCENARIOS AND, UH, THE MODELS, UH, WHEN WE RUN THOSE FEE STRUCTURES AND BRING THEM FORTH TO YOU ALL. WELL, AMBER, FOR THE SHORT TIME THAT YOU'VE BEEN DONE A LOT OF WORK, SO THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. IT WASN'T REALLY SURE WE WERE EVER GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THIS DONE AT THE SAME TIME WE WERE OPENING THE GARAGE AND THEY'RE VERY DEPENDENT ON ONE ANOTHER. THEY ARE. AND WE'RE WORKING HARD, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. AND YOU TOO, KURT. YES, . THANK YOU, MAYOR. ON THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMITS, IS THE EXPECTATION THAT YOU'LL ONLY BE ABLE TO GET A PERMIT IF YOU LIVE ON, YOU KNOW, THAT PARTICULAR STREET OR THAT PARTICULAR ZONE? YES. OKAY. YES. THAT WOULD BE THE INTENTION. AND THAT WOULD PERMIT YOU TO GET PARKED JUST IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE OR JUST ANYWHERE ON THAT STREET? IS THAT, I THINK THAT'S STILL YET TO BE DETERMINED. NORMALLY IT'S IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, BUT IT WON'T BE LIKE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE GIVEN A SPACE. OUR EXPECTATION RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE'RE GONNA BASE THIS PROGRAM ON THE SAME THING WE BUILT INTO THE, THE RIM SHADOWS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH THAT ACCOUNTS FOR PERMITS THAT ARE PROVIDED TO THAT PROPERTY OWNER FOR PARKING AT THEIR FRONTAGE. SO YEAH, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TAKE A PERMIT AND GO PARK AT YOUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AS AN EXAMPLE. AND WE WOULDN'T SELL A PERMIT TO SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN RIGHT. CHAPEL. SO THEY COULD JUST DRIVE UP AND RIGHT. NO, THEY'D HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT ON THOSE, THOSE STREETS. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. CAN I PIGGYBACK RIGHT ON THAT POINT? GO AHEAD. WHAT ABOUT IF SOMEBODY HAS A, A VERY TEMPORARY GUEST? I MEAN, HOW DO, HOW DOES THAT WORK IN RI SHADOWS? I MEAN, A, IF SOMEBODY'S A VERY, A VERY, WHAT? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T, IT'S A TEMPORARY GUEST. SOMEBODY WHO'S STAYING FOR A FEW HOURS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR A SERVICE PROVIDER. IT DEPENDS. I MEAN, TECHNICALLY THEY SHOULD BE COVERING THAT WITH A PERMIT. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BE TAKING A RISK IF THEY DON'T. BUT I KNOW THAT OUR, OUR FELLOW, UH, OFFICER STAFF WOULD BE, UM, ABLE TO SPEAK TO HOW THEY HANDLE THOSE SITUATIONS. BUT I KNOW THAT THEY LIKELY RUN INTO THOSE SCENARIOS AND ARE LENIENT WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE. YOU KNOW, SOMEONE FORGOT TO PUT OUT, PUT OUT THE PERMIT, AND THEY HAPPEN TO SHOW UP AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A FEW MINUTES. I'M SURE THEY RUN INTO THOSE SCENARIOS AND, AND THEY WORK THROUGH THOSE SITUATIONS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF, IF IT'S A PROBLEM, THEN THEY'RE [01:40:01] TAKING A RISK. SO THE BEST THING TO DO IS, IS TO COVER IT WITH A PERMIT. OKAY. WELL, I, I'D LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. 'CAUSE I'M, I'M JUST ANTICIPATING THAT BECAUSE AS THE VICE MAYOR SAID, I KNOW A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE HAD A LOT OF, UM, WHEN, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT, UH, DOING RESIDENT PERMITTED PARKING AT UPTOWN, THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO FELT THAT THERE WOULD BE AN INCONVENIENCE TO THEM AS A LOCAL RESIDENT OR THEIR VISITORS OR SERVICE. YOU KNOW, AN ARBORIST COMES, A PLUMBER COMES, WHATEVER IT IS. YEAH. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND A PEER SO THAT WE CAN SPEAK TO THOSE CONCERNS AS PEOPLE REACH OUT. ABSOLUTELY. TO US, HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE HANDLED. AND, AND OUR PLAN WILL BE TO COME BACK WITH THE REAL EXPERIENCES THAT WE HAVE ALREADY WITH THE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED PROGRAM. THE PROBLEM IS IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE. IF YOU DON'T ENFORCE SOMETHING CONSISTENTLY AND THE WAY IT'S INTENDED TO BE, IT CAN ALL FALL APART. AND, AND I THINK WE HAVE THOSE EXPERIENCES ALREADY TO SHARE WITH YOU. OKAY. I JUST ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. IS THAT, IS THE PERMIT THEN, YOU KNOW, I'M USED TO SEEING PERMITS LIKE ON SCHOOLS THAT ARE AFFIXED TO THE WINDOW, BUT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A, A PERMIT THAT IS MOBILE WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, THEY HANG FROM THE, FROM THE REAR VIEW MIRROR. YEAH. AND IF YOU DID SHORT TERM RENTALS, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE HANGING FROM THE MIRROR. YEAH. SO, OKAY. AND THEY'RE NOT ASSIGNED TO A PARTICULAR LICENSE PLATE OR VEHICLE REGISTRATION? NO. NO. OKAY. WOULD BE ASSIGNED TO THE HOUSE, I'M GUESSING. IS THAT RIGHT, AMBER? YES. AND WE'RE, WE'LL ACT AS WE RECEIVE FEEDBACK, WE WILL TAKE THESE SCENARIOS AS WELL AS ATHENA'S WORKING WITH US, WHAT OTHER PEER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING AND THEIR RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMITS. AND WE WILL PROVIDE THOSE, THOSE OPTIONS AND WE'LL LOOK AT THOSE, UH, IN THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON FEEDBACK. THOSE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE INITIAL RESPONSES, LIKE IN TERMS OF WHAT IF I HAVE GUESTS, ONE, IF I HAVE SERVICE PROVIDERS COMING TO MY HOME. SO WE'LL TAKE ALL THAT INTO, UH, CONSIDERATION, UH, AS WE DEVELOP THIS PROGRAM AND MAKE REFINEMENTS. THANK YOU, AMBER. UH, PETE, YOU WERE NEXT? YEP. THANK MAYOR. WELL, I DO WANNA TAG ON, OH, BUT IT'S MY TURN. SO DOUBLE TAG QUESTIONS NOW. UM, IS THERE, RIGHT ANDY, YOU JUST REFERRED TO, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME OPERATING AND ENFORCEMENT ADDITIONAL COSTS TO A PROGRAM LIKE THIS. ARE WE CONSIDERING A CHARGE FOR THE PERMIT? I THINK SO. UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER, BUT, UM, WE WILL ALSO HAVE AN OPTION TO LOOK AT EXCESS REVENUE, UH, THE SLIDE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT EARLIER, THAT THAT COULD BE AN OPTION TO HELP COVER THIS. BUT, UM, WE HAVE OPTIONS TO CONSIDER RIGHT NOW. AND THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THEM. YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSONAL STANDPOINT, UH, WHEN I LOOK AT STREET PARKING, IT'S A CITY ASSET. IT'S NOT A PARCEL ASSET. AND SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, UH, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT PARKING AS, AS A, AS AN ASSET AND HAVE SOME TYPE OF CONSIDERATION FOR THE COST OF RUNNING PROGRAMS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE SO BOLD AS TO, UH, THINK ABOUT, UH, FULL-TIME RESIDENTS VERSUS STR AND DIFFERENTIATING COST, YOU KNOW, FOR PERMITS. 'CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE MORE COMPLEXITY WITH THE STR AND, UM, PERHAPS THEY NEED TO PICK UP SOME OF THAT SHARE. I'M GONNA ASK A QUESTION SIMILAR TO COUNSELOR FOLTZ, BUT IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DIRECTION. SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR HOPES DOING THIS WHOLE PARKING PROGRAM IS THAT WE WOULD FREE UP SOME OF THOSE PAID LOTS, THE EMPTY SURFACE LOTS IN UPTOWN AND ACTUALLY HAVE THAT FOR A REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY AND ACTIVATION OPPORTUNITY. AND COUPLED WITH THAT, WE'RE CERTAINLY GONNA NEED TO BE LOOKING AT LDC RESTRICTIONS, UH, BARRIERS TO ACTIVATION OF THOSE AREAS. PARKING, MINIMUMS, SETBACKS, OUTDOOR PERMITTING THINGS, RIGHT. TO MAKE THIS LIVELY. AND I KNOW AMBER, THAT'S NOT YOUR TASK. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S A CITY TASK THAT WE DON'T WANT TO, WE WANNA MAKE SURE IS ALSO PROGRESSING IN OUR THINKING BECAUSE I WOULD, YOU KNOW, NOT LIKE TO KICK THE CAN DOWN ON THE ROAD FOR THOSE ACTIVITIES FOR SEVERAL YEARS AS WE TRANSITION FROM PAID PARKING TO NOT. SO, ANDY, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT, IS IT ON THE LIST FOR STAFF TO BE THINKING ABOUT THOSE THINGS? YEAH, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S DEFINITELY, UH, YOU KNOW, ON THE PLANNING SIDE OF THINGS. SO IT IT, IN MY MIND THAT FITS WITH THE CFA, UM, YOU KNOW, AS SOME OF THOSE LOTS, UH, BECOME AVAILABLE AND, AND LOOK LIKE THEY WILL BE, [01:45:01] UH, AVAILABLE FOR RE REDEVELOPMENT, UM, WE, WE COULD, UH, IDENTIFY THAT AS PART OF THE C-F-A-C-F-A UPDATE OR COMPLETION I SHOULD SAY. AND THEN THE VICE MAYOR ALSO STOLE ONE OF MY COMMENTS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE, THAT, UH, AMBER, YOU WERE NOT HERE WHEN THIS COUNCIL WAS PRETTY STRONG SAYING, LAYING OUT THIS TIMELINE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO SEE HERE RELATIVE TO THE GARAGE OPENING. AND UNTIL TODAY I WAS, UH, NOT SURE THAT I SAW THE ENDS MEETING THE GOALS, BUT I, I SEE, UH, SOME LIGHT ON THE HORIZON NOW AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN DOING, BUT, UH, BUT THANK YOU. I'D JUST LIKE TO TAG ON TO SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID, PETE AND KURT, YOU MAYBE YOU COULD WEIGH IN ON THIS. I DON'T THINK THAT WE COULD TREAT SHORT TERM RENTALS ANY DIFFERENT BY CHARGING THEM A FEE FOR THE PARKING PERMIT THAN A REGULAR RESIDENT. SO THAT WOULD NOT PLAY OUT. RIGHT. SO WE COULD EXPLORE THE OPPORTUNITY, BUT YES, LIKELY THERE ALL THE RESIDENTS, WHETHER NO MATTER HOW THE HOUSE IS BEING USED IS GONNA BE TREATED THE SAME. OKAY. WE END UP TYING IT TO A VEHICLE, THEN THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO DO THAT BECAUSE VEHICLES WILL ALWAYS BE CHANGING IN SHORT TERM. RIGHT. WELL I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP, KATHY. YEAH, THANK YOU. UM, BACK TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE LOSS OF THE, THE PARKING THAT'S UP THERE NOW, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT RIGHT. IT LOOKS LIKE 125 SPOTS EITHER HAVE OR WILL BE LOST BEFORE THE GARAGE OPENS. THE REST OF IT'S BEING TIED IN WITH THE TIMING. AND AGAIN, I ECHO THANKS FOR, FOR THAT TOOK A LOT TO SEE THAT TIMELINE AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT THOSE 125 SPOTS THAT ARE GONE BEFOREHAND, HOW ARE WE MONITORING THE IMPACT OF THAT? SO, BECAUSE IS THERE IMPACT THAT WE'RE AWARE OF YET THAT 125 ARE, ARE GONNA BE GONE? UM, IS ANYBODY COMPLAINING ABOUT IT OR IS THE NEED REESTABLISHED OR HOW DO WE, WE, WE WE'RE DATA DRIVEN . YEAH. YEAH. WHERE'S THE DATA ON THAT? SO WHAT WE'VE DONE AS STAFF, AND THIS WILL BE PART OF THE ANALYSIS AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE ALL THESE, THESE IN INITIATIVES FORWARD, IS TO CONTINUE TO CHECK BACK TO THE, THE ANALYSIS THAT WE COMPLETED ALREADY WITH THE UPTOWN PARKING ASSESSMENT. WHEN WE COMPLETED THAT ASSESSMENT, WE EXPECTED THAT THIS CONSOLIDATION THAT'S HAPPENED WOULD HAPPEN. WE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD HAPPEN THIS QUICKLY, BUT WE EXPECTED THAT IT WOULD. SO IT, IT'S ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE ANALYSIS THAT WE LOOKED AT IN WHAT DEMAND WE HAVE, AS WELL AS THE FUTURE PROJECTED DEMAND. SO WHERE DO WE THINK THOSE CARS ARE PARKING NOW? THE ONES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN LOST IN THE OTHER, UM, PARKING LOTS. YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT THE OVERALL UPTOWN PARKING INVENTORY WAS ONLY MET A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE YEAR AND BY OUR TARGET WAS 85% BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT WE CONSIDERED EFFECTIVE PARKING SUPPLY. OKAY. AND SO IT'S FILLING, IT'S, IT'S FURTHER FILLING THAT SUPPLY. OKAY. UM, AND ON SLIDE 18, THE REFERENCE TO THE DYNAMIC PRICING, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT CAPABILITY FROM, BUT WE'RE NOT UTILIZING IT ON THE METERS THAT THAT EXIST. IS THERE SOME REASON THAT WE ARE DELAYING JUST TO COORDINATE OR SHOULD WE CONSIDER LOOKING AT THAT SEPARATELY OR WE, WE ARE INCLUDING THE ON STREET, UM, FEE PARKING ALONG WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THIS, THIS PROGRAM AS WELL. SO YOU WANNA DO IT ALL AT ONCE BASICALLY? YES. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. THE GOAL IS IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE USING THE SAME TECHNOLOGY, THE SAME SOFTWARES, AND THE PARKING FEE, UH, STRUCTURE WILL INCLUDE LOOKING AT THOSE AREAS AS WELL. NOT THE REST, THE REST OF THE, THE REST OF THAT IS A COMMENT FROM ME, SO, OKAY. OKAY. SO THANK YOU. UH, UH, WE HAVE SOME CARDS, WE HAVE EIGHT CARDS. I'D RATHER TAKE THESE CARDS FIRST AND THEN TAKE A BREAK. I DON'T THINK I'M, EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT DIRECTION. CAN I JUST PULL UP ON ONE THING REAL QUICK? UM, YOU, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE YARD PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARK, WHERE THE HOUSEKEEPER'S GONNA PARK. I JUST DID A QUICK LOOK ON GOOGLE EARTH. A LOT OF THESE HOUSES HAVE DRIVEWAYS DO, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, THE ANSWER MAY BE TAKE YOUR PARKING TAG, PARK YOUR CAR ON THE STREET AND LET YOUR HOUSEKEEPER USE YOUR DRIVEWAY WHILE THEY'RE IN THERE. SO, UM, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THESE. OKAY. SOME OF THE DRIVE ARE ALSO RATHER SMALL TOO. OKAY. SO, OKAY, SO, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CARDS HERE. LIKE I SAID, THERE'S EIGHT, BUT I KNOW LARS, YOU, YOU'RE MORE ABOUT THE SHARED USE PASS. SO IF YOU DON'T WANNA GO NOW AND DEFER TO [01:50:01] THE NEXT, I'LL, I'LL TAKE THE COMMENT A SECOND TIME. UH, SO, AND THEN THE, THE WAGNERS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS OR, OR ANOTHER TOPIC, BUT WHEN YOUR NAME COMES UP, IF, IF IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT WE'VE ALREADY COVERED, THEN YOU CAN DEFER AND I'LL TAKE, UH, YOUR NAME AGAIN. WHEN WHEN I CALL YOU, I, YOU HAVE TO BE ON THE MICROPHONE. ALRIGHT. AND TIM PERRY, YOU'LL BE FIRST. UH, IS THIS COVERS WHAT YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT OR IS IT COMING? IT COVERS THE WHOLE THING. OKAY, SO THEN YOU'LL BE GOOD GOING NOW? SURE. OKAY. I CAN SPEAK TO BOTH. WHAT'S THAT? I CAN SPEAK TO BOTH. YOU SAID OKAY, YOU? YEAH, WELL NO ONE OR THE OTHER. THESE TWO? UH, ALL AND THEN SPEAKING BOTH ARE THE SAME ONE? YES. OKAY, TIM, THREE MINUTES. GOOD EVENING COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THIS PLAN, IT'S HARD TO PICK WHAT TO PICK AT, BUT I WILL JUST POINT OUT FOR THE MOMENT THAT WE STILL HAVE THIS $30 MILLION, PRESUMABLY BUSBAR IN THIS PLAN. UH, ALL FOR WHAT SOUNDS LIKE THE PURPOSE OF JUST SPARING THE PRECIOUS, PRECIOUS STAFF SOME OF THEIR SO HARD HOURS OF WORK FROM DRIVING A BUS SOMEWHERE FOR IT TO GET FIXED. I THINK SOMEONE IN THIS ROOM SAID, UH, THAT SUM OF MONEY BUYS A LOT OF STAFF TIME. ANOTHER THING THAT STANDS OUT IN THIS REVIEW OF THE SIM PROGRAM BY ITS ABSENCE IS ANY MENTION OF THE NUMBER ONE TRANSPORTATION RELATED ISSUE THAT I'VE HEARD FROM MOST PEOPLE IN TOWN, WHICH IS PEOPLE WANT S NIBLEY HILL ROAD PAVED, BUT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE STAFF ARE EVER GONNA GIVE US THAT. SO PERHAPS WE SHOULDN'T BE SO SURPRISED THAT IT'S NOT IN HERE. BUT THERE'S TWO OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE JUMPED OUT OF THIS PRESENTATION SO FAR THAT I THINK WARRANT COMMENT. THE FIRST IS THE SUGGESTION THAT THIS UPTOWN PERMIT PARKING PROGRAM WILL PROTECT NEIGHBORHOODS, PROTECT THEM FROM WHAT, FROM A BUNCH OF DRUNKEN JAVELINA IN A MINIATURE JEEP. THE LANGUAGE THAT HAS BEEN USED REPEATEDLY TONIGHT SUGGESTS THAT NEIGHBORHOODS IN UPTOWN ARE SOMEHOW IN NEED OF PROTECTION FROM PRESUMABLY TOURISTS, WHICH WAS WOULD BIOLOGICALLY EXTENDING THIS CONCEPT IMPLY THAT TOURISTS ARE INHERENTLY DANGEROUS. I'D LIKE TO INVITE THIS COUNCIL AND STAFF TO RECONSIDER THEIR PHRASING VERY CAREFULLY, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT MORE THAN 85% OF THE REVENUES WHICH THEY SPEND SO LIVELY ON THE SORT OF MASSIVE ENGINEERING PROJECT COMES FROM THE TOURISTS THEY CONSIDER SO DANGEROUS. THE OTHER REALLY TROUBLING IDEA THAT EMERGES FROM ALL OF THIS STAFF TALK IS THE CONCEPT THAT THE CITY IS SOMEHOW GOING TO DECIDE WHERE IT IS BEST FOR US TO PARK AND WHERE IT IS BEST FOR US TO GO. THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET INSIDE OUR MINDS AND CONVINCE US WE OUGHT TO JUST ALL FALL IN LINE WITH WHATEVER TRANSIT AND TRANSPORT SYSTEM YOU WANT. YOU HEAR HERE TALKING TONIGHT ABOUT PUTTING TAGS ON PEOPLE'S CARS TO KNOW IF THEY'RE WHERE YOU WANT THEM TO BE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE'S GUESTS BEING AT RISK A FINE AND POTENTIALLY ARREST IF THEY'RE NOT WHERE YOU WANT THEM TO BE. THIS IS FLAT OUT TOTALITARIANISM. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY OBSCENE. OKAY. SO LARS, IF YOU WANNA WAIT TILL THE NEXT WAVE AND SPEAK TO EVERYTHING, THAT'S FINE. UH, OKAY. SO I'M GONNA PUT YOU ON HOLD. OKAY. UH, MARY WAGNER, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK NOW OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL A SECOND? HOLD ? YES. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. YOU'LL GO AFTER LAWS AND THEN, UH, LAUREN, I'M GUESSING THE SAME. YES. OKAY. UH, TOM , I'M SURE YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE TOPICS WE JUST WORKED ON. YEAH, A FEW OF THEM BE GREAT. TOM HATHAWAY FOR UPTOWN, UH, REGARDING THAT PERMIT PARKING. UM, YOU LIVE WHERE I LIVE IN FLAGSTAFF, I OPERATE THE COWBOY CLUB AND 2 0 9 NORTH STATE, ROUTE 89 A ALL THE WAY UP TO, UH, 2 41. SO VAN DEEN WILSON AND SMITH ARE PRETTY MUCH COMMERCIAL. I OWN THE MAJORITY OF PROPERTY ON WILSON AND VAN DEEN. SO IF THAT PUBLIC PARKING'S GONE, THAT MEANS THOSE TAGS GO TO US. SO I'M GONNA, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA GIVE US 40 NEW PARKING SPACES ON THE STREET. I'LL TAKE THOSE. THANKS ANDY. UH, AND IN TERMS OF THE UPTOWN CIRCULATION [01:55:01] STUDY, ALL THAT IS TALKING ABOUT UPTOWN TILLOCK AND HILLSIDE, BUT NONE OF THE FUNDS ARE COMING FROM HILLSIDE OR TILLOCK. ALL THE FUNDS YOU GUYS RECEIVE FROM THE METERS ARE IN UPTOWN. UM, AND FOR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, GETTING FEEDBACK AND I THINK CONSEL COUNSELOR KINSELLA SAID IT BEST. I MEAN, WE HAD FOUR BUSINESSES AT OUR MEETING, SO I GUESS YOU GUYS HAD 96 OF THE OTHER. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE. UM, EVERYONE I TALKED TO IN UPTOWN AND I REPRESENT 20 RESIDENTS OR 20 TENANTS AND 63 EMPLOYEES ALL ARE JUST FLABBERGASTED THAT THE CITY WOULD BE CONSIDERING DOING A TRANSIT FROM UPTOWN TO TILAK TO HILLSIDE IS LESS THAN A MILE AND A HALF FROM DOOR TO DOOR. UH, PEOPLE COME TO SEDONA 'CAUSE IT'S BEAUTIFUL, IT'S UNIQUE. IT'S NOT LIKE WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM. SO IF YOU'RE COMING FROM NEW YORK, LA, CHICAGO, YOU DON'T NEED TO JUMP ON A BUS OR A TRAIN. YOU CAN WALK, YOU CAN UH, RIDE YOUR BIKE AND YOU CAN DRIVE ANYTHING LESS THAN A MILE. MOST PEOPLE JUST USE THEIR CAR, SO THEIR CAR DEPENDENT. SO I DON'T THINK THE OUTREACH IS ANYWHERE CLOSE TO WHAT THEY WERE BEING TOLD YOU GUYS WERE BEING TOLD. UM, SAME THING WITH THE PARKING PERMITS. I MEAN THAT FROM, UH, VANDER TO PRINCE OR OR APPLE, THERE'S PROBABLY ONLY 25 HOMES THERE. SO HOW MANY OF THEM DID YOU SPEAK TO THAT WERE ACTUALLY HOMEOWNERS OR WE'RE RENTERS? THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. UM, I ACTUALLY OWN, WE OWN REAL RESIDENTIAL SPACE THERE TOO. NOT ONE PERSON HAS TALKED TO ME ABOUT THAT. WE OWN TWO BIG PARKING LOTS. NOBODY DISCUSSED ANY PARTNERSHIP WITH US ON, UH, THE CITY FUNDED. UM, AND THEN ALL THE FUNDS YOU GUYS RECEIVE OTHER THAN OUTSIDE OF FEDERAL FUNDS OR TAXPAYER. SO ALL THAT REVENUE COMES FROM 80% OF IT FROM TAXES, SALES TAX AND BED TAX. THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD PAY IF SOMEBODY'S GONNA DO FREE, UH, SHUTTLES. UM, BUT OTHERWISE THAT'S IT. I JUST, I FIND IT VERY DISHEARTENING THAT YOU TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND PUBLIC OUTREACH AND I DON'T SEE ANY OF IT. UM, I THINK WE PICK AND CHOOSE WHO WE REACH OUT TO SO THAT WHEN WE COME TO THESE MEETINGS YOU HAVE WHAT, 10 PEOPLE AND THEN 15 CITY EMPLOYEES OR CITY REPRESENTATIVES. SO IT'S ALWAYS ONE SIDED AND UH, I WOULD LIKE THE COUNCIL TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON ALL THIS. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THE TRAFFIC AT UPTOWN IS AS BAD AND AS SCARY AS EVERYONE THINKS IT IS. CONSIDER I WORK THERE EVERY DAY, FIVE DAYS A WEEK. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU TOM. ED LER WILL BE DEFER. DID. OKAY. UH, SEAN SMITH, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK NOW OR DEFER? YES. AND TRUS LAST FOR THIS PERIOD OF TIME. SORRY, GO AHEAD. UH, SEAN SMITH, I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA. UM, THERE WAS DISCUSSION TONIGHT ABOUT, UH, OUTREACH AND THAT WAS ALSO DISCUSSED IN THE RECENT HOUSING ADVOCACY GROUP MEETING. AND I PRESENTED THE IDEA THAT CITIES SHOULD HAVE TOWNHOUSE SOFTWARE WITH DYNAMIC SURVEYS AND ON BIG ISSUES THAT SHOULD PROBABLY GO TO A VOTE WHERE YOU CAN'T DO A VOTE, YOU CAN DO A PROFESSIONAL MODERATOR WITH MARKETING OF THE EVENT AND YOU KNOW, GET A LOT OF PEOPLE ONLINE THAT WOULD PARTICIPATE IN THESE THINGS. AND WITH MODERATORS THEY CAN COME UP WITH DYNAMIC QUESTIONING DURING THE EVENT AND THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE WHO CAN'T GET TO THE MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY EMPLOYEES, IF IT'S AN ISSUE THAT RELATES TO EMPLOYEES AND THEY CAN'T GET HERE OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN PARTICIPATE ONLINE HOPEFULLY IN THE EVENING FOR THAT TYPE OF THING. AND YOUR ERP SOFTWARE THAT YOU JUST CONTRACTED FOR HAS THAT AS A MODULE THAT YOU CAN BOLT ON. SO THAT RECEIVED A LOT OF KIND OF ENTHUSIASTIC RESPONSE AT THE HOUSING MEETINGS. AND SO STAFF KIND OF KNOWS ABOUT THAT AS AN, AS AN OPTION. AND TO ME THAT WOULD BE A GREAT WAY TO JUST JACK THE OUTREACH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AS FAR AS ZONE PERMIT BRINGING, UM, IN SEATTLE, SEATTLE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE. THEY HAVE A, A LOT OF FAQ AND A PROGRAM. THEY CHARGE $95 FOR A TWO YEAR PLACARD, UH, TWO YEAR STICKER RATHER. UM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS COULD GET PLACARDS OBVIOUSLY IS BECAUSE THE LANDOWNER WOULD BE THERE, BUT THEY'RE GONNA LOSE THEM A LOT. THE PEOPLE LEAVE AND THEN TAKE THEM. AND SO YOU CAN KIND OF INDIRECTLY LEVY A FEE ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS BY JUST TOTALLY JACKING THE REPLACEMENT. YOUR THIRD REPLACEMENT IS LIKE A HUNDRED DOLLARS OR TO USE A NUMBER WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, $300. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY TO MAYBE CONTROL THAT, MAKE IT BE FOR LONG-TERM RESIDENTS. THAT'S WHY SEATTLE DOES A TWO YEAR, YOU KNOW, CHARGE. THEY DO HAVE, UH, INCOME, UH, ELIGIBLE AND SENIOR DISCOUNTS. SO YOU CAN GET LIKE A $10 PLACARD DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE AT. UM, SO YOU GIVE TWO PER HOUSEHOLD, VERIFY BEDROOMS FOR MORE, AND UH, DEVELOP CRITERIA WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN APPLY TO HAVE THEIR STREET ADDED TO THE ZONE PERMIT SYSTEM. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE COSTS AROUND WITH THIS IF YOU DON'T ENFORCE IT, IF YOU DON'T HAVE MARKING OF THE, TO THE TIRES AND OR WHATEVER TICKETING, YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM, UH, POLICE FORCE NECESSARILY TO PROVIDE [02:00:01] THAT FUNCTION. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME COSTS RELATED TO THAT. SO THAT $95 PRICE POINT ALLOWS YOU TO KIND OF ADMINISTER THE SYSTEM MORE EFFECTIVELY. AND, UM, DEFINITELY HAVE A ZONE FOR EMPLOYEES. YOU COULD PUT JORDAN AS A, YOU KNOW, OR SOME ONE OF THE SIDE STREETS THAT'S LIKE MOSTLY BUSINESSES OR WHATEVER. JUST MAKE THAT BE FOR EMPLOYEES AND THEY, UH, EMPLOYEES CAN GET A PERMIT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SEAN. ALRIGHT. UNLESS ANYBODY HAS AN OBJECTION. WE'LL, WE WILL TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK, UH, COURT TO SEVEN. OKAY. WE ARE BACK. KURT HARRIS, YOU'RE GONNA START WITH, UH, PT ZERO ONE, THE MAINTENANCE OPERATION CENTER. YES, DAN, YOU'LL JOIN ME. OH, YOU'RE FINE. YOU'RE HERE. YES. WELCOME BACK. UH, THANKS FOR HANGING IN WITH US. WE'RE AT, UH, SLIDE 21 AND WE'VE GOT ANOTHER 30 TO GO. WE'LL BE QUICK, PRETTY QUICK. THIS IS JUST SUMMARIES THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN IN THE AGENDA. BILL, REALLY ASK QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. AS AMBER MENTIONED, UM, IN HER PRESENTATION ON THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE FACILITY FOR TRANSIT, I HAVE SOME SLIDES HERE TO SHOW THAT WE GOT FROM THE CONSULTANT. THIS FIRST ONE IS THE, UH, BASICALLY JUST SHOWING THE OVERALL LAYOUT. WHAT'S HERE IN RED IS WHERE THE WE'RE PROPOSING SITE IS RIGHT NEXT TO THAT SOLAR ARRAY ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE FACILITY. UH, THAT WAY WE HAVE, UH, POTENTIAL TO GROW AS YOU ALL REQUESTED, MOVING, UM, TO THE EAST. AND IT SHOWS THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND THE ACCESS ROAD. UM, THIS IS MORE OF A DETAILED RENDERING, SHOWING THE DETAIL OF THE SITE LAYOUT. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE AT 30%, SO THE ARCHITECT AND THE TEAM IS JUST LOOKING AT DISTURB AREAS, SPACE ANALYSIS, HOW IS THIS ALL GONNA FIT? ACCESS STORM WATER, TRYING TO BALANCE THE SITE ON GRADING, UM, AND TRY TO USE THE EXISTING TOPO TOPOGRAPHY TO OUR, UM, ASSET TO, UH, MINIMIZE DISTURBANCE AND COSTS. UM, RIGHT HERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE, WHERE THE, UH, PARKING WOULD BE. UH, THIS OVER HERE IS ACTUALLY THE SERVICE PANEL. AND ON BACK HERE IS THE FUTURE FUELING AND, UM, A CAR WASH OR VEHICLE WASH. HERE'S THE RENDERINGS. UM, COULDN'T SEE IT TOO WELL ON HERE. SO I WROTE IT DOWN ON MY NOTES. THE TOP LEFT IS LOOKING TO THE NORTHEAST. SO THIS IS LOOKING, UM, NORTHEAST, UM, TOWARDS 89 A. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE RENDERING OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE SPACE OF HOW IT IT WOULD FIT. IT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING AND OUR OWN PERMITTING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MEETING ALL OF OUR LDCS. AND THEN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HERE IS LOOKING, UH, NORTHWEST. AND HERE'S MORE OF A PROFILE AND THE TOP LEFT IS LOOKING SOUTH SOUTHEAST. SO THAT WOULD BE WHEN YOU'RE COMING INTO THE BUILDING, THAT WOULD BE THE, HOW YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE BUILDING IN CONCEPT OF ARRIVING COMING FROM 89 A. THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS LOOKING TO FROM THE LOOKING NORTHWEST. SO THAT'S HOW YOU ACTUALLY LOOK UP, UM, TO THE FOREST SERVICE BEHIND THERE. THE OPEN SPACE IS THE AREAS JUST CONCEPT ONLY. THERE'S, UH, A LOT OF USE IN LANDSCAPING, UH, RETAINAGE, UH, BASIN THAT'LL HAVE GREEN AREAS. UH, PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS BRINGING RECLAIMED WATER IN FROM WASTEWATER TO USE ALL FOR THE IRRIGATION. UM, AND ALSO THEN COLLABORATING WITH, UH, THE WASTEWATER GROUP TO IMPROVE THEIR EXISTING POTABLE. WELL, THEY'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH THAT. UM, ALSO SHARING AND IMPROVING A DIGITAL FIBER OPTICS, UH, CONNECTIVITY. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM COORDINATING WITH THEM SO WE'RE NOT RUNNING IT ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE HIGHWAY COMING IN. SOMEHOW CONNECTING BACK TO THE HEAD WORKS, UM, TO REDUCE OVERALL FOOTPRINT COSTS AND MAKE IT, UH, FAR REDUCING COST AND REDUCING FOOTPRINTS. OH, HERE'S ANOTHER RENDERING. I THINK THAT'S THE NEXT ONE. AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF A BOXY DESIGN RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BREAK UP MEETING CODE. UM, HERE IS NOW GOING INTO SIM. ANY QUESTIONS? AND WE KIND OF COVERED THAT ALREADY. YES. OKAY. OKAY. UH, DEREK, PETE? UH, YES, MAYOR. THANK YOU. KURT. YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE EXISTING, WELL, AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, THE POWER WATER, WELL TELL, [02:05:01] THAT'S FIRST. I'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT. OUR DISCOVERY REACHING OUT WITH ROXANNE AND WASTEWATER, THEY'VE BEEN HAVING ISSUES WITH IT. IT WAS GONNA REQUIRE SOME MAINTENANCE. SO PART OF THIS IS WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, DOES IT MAKE SENSE REHABBING THAT EXISTING WELL OR DRILLING A NEW ONE IS WATER QUALITY IS VERY HARD WATER, I UNDERSTAND. OH, OKAY. IT'S A WATER QUALITY ISSUE. IT'S A WATER QUALITY FUNCTIONALITY. WELL, I'M STILL CURIOUS ABOUT WHY WE WOULD ADDRESS THE TREATMENT PLANT ISSUE UNDER THIS PROJECT. SO I WOULD ASK US TO THINK THROUGH THAT. SEPARATING EXPENSES, WHERE EXPENSES SHOULD BE BORN. ABSOLUTELY. KATHY, UM, IF AND WHEN THIS IS OPERATIONAL, HOW MANY, UH, EMPLOYEES ARE PROJECTED TO BE WORKING THERE AT THAT FACILITY HOUSED THERE? UH, MOST OF THE EMPLOYEES ARE THERE WOULD BE AS IT'S CURRENTLY DESIGNED ONLY FOR OUR EXISTING TRANSIT SYSTEM AS IT IS WOULD BE MV EMPLOYEES. SO IT WOULD BE THEIR MECHANICS, THEIR DISPATCH, THEIR DRIVERS, ALL THAT. AND THEN WE WOULD HOPE TO HAVE SOME INTEGRATION OF OUR FOLKS, UH, PERHAPS LIKE A FLEET MANAGER AND SO ON AND ADMINISTRATION. YEAH. CAN'T HEAR YOU AMBER. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. UH, IN THE TRANSFER. AMBER? THE MIC. THE MIC. SORRY. , I APOLOGIZE. UM, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT, IT WOULD BE THE OPERATIONS, UH, THE OPERATIONS TEAM, THE MAINTENANCE ALL UNDER MV AS WELL AS TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION. SO I BELIEVE WE'RE LOOKING AT BETWEEN 30 TO 50 EMPLOYEES, UH, WAS WHAT WAS INTENDED. I MAY HAVE TO CLARIFY THAT. AND WE'RE STILL, THAT'LL BE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE BUSINESS PLAN TOO WITH, UH, WAS AS WE LOOK AT MAINTENANCE AND BRINGING ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES SUCH AS WITH COTTONWOOD AREA TRANSIT AS WELL AS VERDE VALLEY, I SAID IT RIGHT. UH, CAREGIVERS, , AND, UH, UH, WHAT WE WOULD NEED FOR OUR MAINTENANCE STAFF IF WE BROUGHT THOSE SERVICES ONLINE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT. UH, BUT WE ORIGINALLY INTENDED BETWEEN 30 TO 50 BASED ON THE SERVICES AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THE, YOU GAVE THE LAUNDRY LIST THERE, BUT HOW MANY WOULD BE NEW POSITIONS THAT ARE PAID FOR DIRECTLY ON THE CITY, NOT CONTRACTED OUT TO, UM, WHAT'S THEIR NAME? I BELIEVE PROBABLY JUST THE TRANSIT ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF RIGHT NOW. IT'D JUST BE THE TRANSIT, THE TRANSIT ADMINISTRATOR AND, AND MM-HMM . THE, UM, WE'VE BEEN TALKING, UH, WITH COUNCIL AND DIRECTION OF GETTING A, A FLEET MANAGER SYSTEM, A FLEET MANAGER. SO I'M WOULDN'T BE MUCH LESS THAN FIVE 10 STAFF FOR STAFF OUT, OUT AT THERE AT THIS TIME. REMEMBER, IT'S, IT, WE'RE DESIGNING THIS FOR A 50 YEAR LIFE TOO. SO THEY'RE USING THE SPACE ANALYSIS TO PROJECT WHAT IT'S GONNA BE AT 50 YEARS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF ROUGH ESTIMATE MATION RIGHT NOW. OKAY. I'LL LET THAT SIT. THANK YOU. CAN'T ANSWER. YOU WANT TO ADD ON THAT? YEAH. JUST TO FOLLOW UP. SO, UM, YOU SAID THESE WOULD BE MV EMPLOYEES? YES. 'CAUSE DO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES USE MV FOR WHATEVER? FOR ANYTHING, OR NO, JUST BUT TO, TO REMEMBER, THIS IS ONLY THE DESIGN FOR OUR CURRENT TRANSIT SYSTEM AS IS, AS PART OF THE CONDITIONS FOR THE FDA EVENT. OKAY. SO WE'RE JUST DESIGNING FOR THIS, BUT WE ARE INCLUDING WITHIN THE DESIGN AND ORDER TO EXPAND. AND THAT'S WHERE I, I, I DISCUSSED ABOUT, OOPS. UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE CURRENTLY AT THIS RED HERE, AND THEN ALL OF THIS COULD BE DESIGNED TO EXPAND TO THE EAST. SO WE COULD ADD ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS WHEN INDEED WE TAKE ON MORE SERVICES AND HAVE MORE PARTNERS. IN TERMS OF STAFFING, UH, IT WOULD BE OUR CONTRACTED OPERATOR STAFF. UH, AND THAT IS CURRENTLY A SEVEN YEAR CONTRACT, UH, THAT WE WILL REBID. SO WE'RE MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT'S ENVY, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE OUR TRANSIT OPERATOR. OKAY. UH, WHO WE, WHO PROVIDES MAINTENANCE AND, UH, MANAGEMENT AND OPERATIONS OF THE SERVICE. AND WOULD WE, IF WE PARTNERED WITH ANOTHER COMMUNITY, WOULD WE HAVE THEM SIGN UP WITH MV AS WELL FOR MAINTENANCE OR WHATEVER FOR LIKELY THEY WOULD, OR WOULD THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, THE EXISTING, THE EXISTING, UH, COMMUNICATIONS WE'VE HAD RIGHT NOW WITH COTTONWOOD AS WELL AS VERDE VALLEY WOULD BE THAT OURS, OUR, OUR MAINTENANCE STAFF WOULD PROVIDE THEIR, THEIR SERVICES. OKAY. I WAS JUST THINKING YOU'D GET MESSY IF YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS AND ALL SQUEEZE IN. YEAH, WE'D LIKELY IT WOULD ALL BE PROVIDED UNDER OUR MAINTENANCE, UH, TEAM, WHICH I WOULD, WE'D PROBABLY WANT THAT, UH, BECAUSE WE'D KNOW THEIR TRAINING, UH, IN OUR FACILITY. SO KURT, DOES THAT GIVE US ANY LIABILITY ABOVE AND BEYOND IT? IT COULD BE ACCOUNTED FOR IN CONTRACTS AND, AND HOW WE NEGOTIATE IT WITH OTHER USERS. OKAY. BUT YES, OBVIOUSLY [02:10:01] A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN MORE, MORE USE, MORE RELIABILITY. THANK YOU, BRIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. ONE QUESTION. SLIDE 25. THAT'S IT. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. JUST A RENDERING, JUST A CONCEPT, BUT THE COLORS ON THE BUILDING ARE LIKE HEAT SINK COLORS. AND I'M JUST WONDERING, WOULD WE CONSIDER APPLYING FOR A VARIANCE TO THE CITY TO USE REFLECTIVE COLORS? LIKE SOME OF THE GREAT WHITES THAT ARE OUT THERE NOW THAT WERE DESIGNED AT PURDUE UNIVERSITY? I MIGHT ADD, UM, THAT, UH, REFLECT OFF, UH, THE HEAT. I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD, I MEAN, I'M HALF FLIPPANT, BUT ALSO HALF SERIOUS. LIKE, WOULD WE ACTUALLY CONSIDER USING SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LESS CONCERNED ABOUT AESTHETICS AND MORE ABOUT JUST BEING ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND? I WISH BRYCE WAS HERE RIGHT NOW. Y YES. WHERE WE'RE AT IN THIS PROCESS RIGHT NOW, COLORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE'RE STILL GONNA BE WORKING THROUGH THAT. I KNOW IT'S EARLY, THAT'S WHY I'M JUST ASKING. WOULD WE CONSIDER DOING SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY IN TERMS OF NOT TURNING IT INTO A BIG HEAT SINK? YES, SIR. AND DEFINITELY PART OF THE, YES, DEFINITELY. AS PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS IS THE LEAST, UM, SOLAR ARRAY. THAT'S JUST TO US. SO PART OF THE CONVERSATION, TODAY'S MEETING WAS IT HAD AN EIGHT YEAR LIFE, HOW WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT POWER AND ONCE IT'S OVER, ITS TREMENDOUS LEASE IS THE SOMETHING THAT SUSTAINABILITY WANTS TO LOOK AT TO MAKE THAT A CITY OWNED, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE ENOUGH SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF TO MAKE THIS A SUSTAINABLE OPERATION. SO WE WILL BE BRINGING IN SUSTAINABILITY. BRYCE IS ALREADY ENGAGED AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT. PART OF THIS IS TO OFFSET THIS AS FAR AS WE CAN, UM, FROM THE ROUTE THE HIGHWAY. SO IT'S KIND OF HIDDEN, BUT, UM, THOSE ARE DEFINITELY OPEN, UM, OPTIONS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. THANK YOU. ON THE FOLLOW UP. YEAH. AMBER, I WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT I HEARD YOU SAY. DID YOU SAY THAT THE THE M AND O FACILITY WOULD JUST BE FOR US AND THAT IT COULD BE EXTENDED AND BUILT OUT TO SERVE OTHER COMMUNITIES? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? YES. YES. THAT'S HOW THEY'RE PLANNING IT AND HOW WE'RE PLANNING IT. SO THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE NOW DOES OR DOES NOT INCLUDE A PHASE TWO, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTUAL FOR A PHASE TWO AS FAR AS, UH, EXPANDING THE M AND O TO ACCOUNT FOR ADDITIONAL FACILITY TO A REGIONAL FACILITY. YEAH. THAT WOULDN'T BE INCLUDED RIGHT NOW. UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY BE TALKING WITH MV AS A POTENTIAL FUTURE VENDOR FOR THAT SERVICE AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. BUT BECAUSE OF THE GRANT FUNDING THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PURSUE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE LIMITING THIS TO TRANSIT AS A PHASE ONE. SO IT WOULD JUST BE FOR OUR BUSES AND THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM. YES. BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT PARTNERING WITH COTTONWOOD, UM, AVA, APACHE, VERDE VALLEY CAREGIVERS, THOSE FOLKS, THAT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL SERVICE. SO I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT AS I UNDERSTAND IT AS WELL. YES, THEY ARE. THEY'RE TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION TO MAKE SURE THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR BAYS, UH, FOR MAINTENANCE AND, UH, IT WOULD COVER THAT'S RIGHT. AN EXISTING AND EXPANSION, UH, FOR US TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES AND THEN LATER ON, UH, TO BUILD OUT, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, WITH THE SPACE AND THE LAYOUT, UH, AT A LATER TIME, ADD MORE PHASE IF NEEDED. SO, SO I GUESS TO CLARIFY, PHASE ONE IS TRANSIT SPECIFICALLY, INCLUDING POTENTIAL REGIONAL PARTNERS. MM-HMM . YEAH. PHASE TWO IS GOING BEYOND TRANSIT. PHASE TWO IS GOING BEYOND TRANSIT TOO. LIKE BEYOND TRANSIT. YEAH. SO WHAT, LIKE, UH, THE REST OF OUR FLEET, LIKE THE BIG PART OH, WOULD BE OKAY. UH, THE POLICE, UH, FLEET AS PUBLIC WORKS HAS A BIG FLEET AS WELL. FIRE DEPARTMENT. YEAH. UH, SCHOOL BUSES. OKAY. WHOLE, WHOLE POINT. BECAUSE ONCE YOU HAVE THE CERTIFIED MECHANICS TO TREAT THE MECHANICS, THERE'S NO OTHER SERVICES IN HERE. WE EXPECT THAT TO BRING A BIG DRAW, PHASE TWO. AND I THINK THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS SERVICING THEIR BUSES IN THE VALLEY. I MEAN, SOMEWHERE OUTSIDE OF OUR AREA. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND. , DAN, AND PERHAPS OTHERS ARE AS WELL. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, YOU'RE GOOD. WE'RE GOING THIS WAY. UH, DID YOU GO AND WE DID AND WE DID. [02:15:01] WE GOOD? OKAY. AND I'M GOOD FOR THIS. OKAY. SO THAT'S OUR, OUR TRANSIT MAINTENANCE OPERATING FACILITY. NEXT IS I WANTED TO DISCUSS OUR SIM PROJECTS IN UPTOWN. I'VE UPDATED THIS MAP. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BIG POINT WAS IS OUR FOREST ROAD, UH, NUMBER FIVE. UM, THAT'S WENT FROM OUR, UH, PROPOSED, UH, GREEN INTO, UH, DARK BLUE THAT WE'RE FINISHING UP. AND THE NEXT WOULD BE OUR PARKING GARAGE HERE. SO WE'RE KIND OF EXCITED TO LOOK AT SLOWLY, WE'RE CHANGING ALL THESE FROM, UH, SCOPING DESIGN AND INTO COMPLETED PROJECTS. THE OTHER ONE IS OUR SIM ONE B, WHICH WAS OUR WHOLE SEDONA IN MOTION IN UPTOWN. NOW THAT'S BEEN PAVED AND FINISHED OFF. UM, I'LL GO INTO FURTHER SLIDES TO DISCUSS ABOUT THE, THE AESTHETICS, THE INTERPRETIVE PANELS. WE HAVE ONE MORE TO GO. AND, UM, SOME OF THE ART THAT'S GOING IN HERE, I WANTED TO SHOW THE SEQUENCING VIDEO. I DON'T IF YOU GUYS LOOKED AT THAT. UM, IN YOUR PACKAGE. IT GOES REAL QUICK. UM, AND IT JUST KIND OF SHOWS OUR PROPOSED SEQUENCING OF HOW THESE CONSTRUCTION'S GONNA HAPPEN. SO, AND THEN THERE'S THE OVERALL LAYOUT. , EXCUSE ME, WHERE'S MY, HERE WE GO. UM, SIM FIVE D THIS IS, IS A RANGER BREWER INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS. UM, DISCUSSED ALL THE MILESTONES. WE'RE IN THE AGENDA, BILL. THEY ALREADY TALKED. UM, THE REALLY BIG POINT I'D LIKE TO, UH, PRESENT TO COUNCIL TODAY IS OUR NEXT STEPS. UH, FOR TWO YEARS NOW. UM, WE'VE BEEN GOING AFTER, UM, CONGRESSIONAL FUNDING, UH, DIRECT SPENDING, AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THAT. AND, UM, WE'RE ALMOST UP GETTING OUR, HOPEFULLY I WAS, UM, HOPEFULLY TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE MORE OF THE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS DONE ON A SLOPE EASEMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING ABOUT WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON GETTING THAT OPEN SPACE. SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO PUT THAT RETAINING WALL. WE'RE STILL IN PROCESS FOR THAT. I'M HOPING TO BRING THIS TO COUNCIL OCTOBER 14TH. UM, WITH THAT THEN WE'RE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGN. IT'S REALLY A SHOVEL READY PROJECT, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR FUNDING. THIS IS A, A GREAT MILESTONE IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE THAT OPENS A LOT OF DOORS OF, UH, FEDERAL, STATE FUNDING BECAUSE THESE GRANTS, THEY WANT TO GET PROJECTS DONE, AND THEY DON'T WANT TO, UM, PUT GRANT FUNDING JUST FOR THE DESIGN AND THE DESIGN TO CONSTRUCTION. SO THERE CAN BE REALLY A, A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US. SO THE QUESTION FOR US NOW IS, DO WE WANT TO TRY TO SELF FUND THIS WITHIN THE CITY, UH, PROGRAM? OR DO WE WANT TO DIVERSIFY AND GO AFTER MORE GRANTS THAN JUST A CONGRESSIONAL FUNDING, UM, ACCESS FOR THIS PROJECT. AND THEN, UH, FIVE E IS SIMILAR ON THAT, UM, DISCUSSION. I'LL, I'LL MENTION LATER, BUT, UH, IT'S THE SAME SCENARIO AND WE DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT NOW. WE CAN PRESENT, UH, IT CAN PRESENT SIM FIVE E, WHICH IS OUR, UH, 89 A FOREST RANGER, UM, ROUNDABOUT VICE MAYOR. WHEN, WHEN THE CONGRESSIONAL DIRECT FUNDING WAS NOT ACHIEVED. I KNOW THAT IT REQUIRES A ACTUAL BUDGET, WHICH WE HAVEN'T HAD IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR SEVERAL YEARS. THEY'VE BEEN DOING CONTINUING RESOLUTION AND YOU CAN'T APPARENTLY DIRECT CONGRESSIONAL SPENDING WHEN YOU HAVE A CONTINUING RESOLUTION. BUT WERE THERE OTHER, WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NOW IN A FEW DAYS, BUT WERE THERE, WERE THERE OTHER REASONS GIVEN ABOUT THE PROJECT AT ALL THAT WOULD HELP GUIDE US THAT WEREN'T YEAH. 'CAUSE WE HAD A FOLLOW UP IN THAT, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSED, IS THAT, UM, THERE WAS ALREADY OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE FURTHER IN LINE THAT WEREN'T BUDGETED FROM THE YEAR BEFORE. AND THAT'S WHAT GOT FUNDING THIS YEAR. SO WE WERE JUST IN LINE IN THE QUEUE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGES OF THE FEDERAL BUDGET SYSTEM, UM, WE WERE PUSHED. BUT THEY HIGHLY ENCOURAGED US. IT'S A GREAT PROJECT AND ENCOURAGING US TO REAPPLY AND GAVE US SOME OTHER TIPS AND TRICKS AND TRIPS TO HELP US OUT IN, IN GETTING THAT FUNDING. BUT IT'S ANYBODY. AND WHEN'S THE DEADLINE FOR THAT? UM, THE CONGRESSIONAL JUST, I, I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. WE HAVE TIME. IT'S NEXT YEAR, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE ANOTHER CYCLE. RIGHT? BE ANOTHER CYCLE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY, I'LL GO. I'LL PRESS ONTO THE NEXT PROJECT ALONG. UM, BUT BEFORE I DO THAT, UM, YOU ALL HAD QUESTIONS BACK ON THE SIM FIVE E, WHICH IS THE FOREST RANGER 89, A ROUNDABOUT, WHICH IS WHAT [02:20:01] WE'RE GONNA DO FOR THE BREWER. UM, ROUNDABOUT WHEN WITH THIS CONSTRUCTION. SO THIS IS JUST EXISTING, UH, BREWER ROUNDABOUT, HOW IT LOOKS AT THIS POINT IN TIME. UM, AND THEN I'M GONNA GO THROUGH SOME RENDERINGS TO KIND OF SHOW YOU ALL THE DIFFERENT, UM, ALTERNATIVES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT. UM, THIS IS OUR BASE MODEL ONE. UM, MAKE SURE I GET IT IN THE RIGHT NOTES. UM, THIS IS OPTION ONE. IT'S THE MINIMAL FOOTPRINT SCOPE, CONSTRUCTABILITY WITH THE LOWEST COST. IT'S A BLEEDING, UH, BASICALLY BLEEDING THE PAVEMENT, INSTALLING NEW CONNECTING CURB LINE. UM, WITH INFILL LANDSCAPING. IT'S NOT OUR PER THE STAFF'S PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE, BUT THE DO THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, ART CAN STILL REMAIN. UH, THIS IS OUR OPTION TWO, IT'S IMPROVING THE GEOMETRIC DESIGN, A CURB LINE FROM VERTICAL TO A ROLLED. UH, THE HATCHED AREAS ARE FOR LIKE EMERGENCY SERVICES THAT YOU'RE SEEING. SO WE'RE TRYING TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE FOR, UH, POLICE OR FIRE. UM, IT HAS A MODERATE REASONABLE FOOTPRINT AND SCOPE, AND THE CONSTRUCTABILITY HAS THE BEST VALUE IN PRICE POINT IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. AND OF COURSE, THE ROUNDABOUT ART WILL REMAIN AS IS. THIS IS THE STAFF'S PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE. THE OTHER DESIGN, WHICH WAS THE, UH, MAKING IT A LINEAR DIS DIFFERENT DESIGN, WAS OPTION THREE. IT HAD THE MOST IMPACTFUL GEOMETRIC DESIGN, UH, REMOVING THE ROUNDABOUT ENTIRELY AND EXTENDING THE VERTICAL CURB LINE TO A LINEAR CONFIGURATION. THE ROUNDABOUT ART MUST BE REMOVED AND BE RELOCATED. UM, AND THE INFILL OF THE SHOULDERS, IT HAS THE HIGHEST FOOTPRINT, SCOPE, CONSTRUCTABILITY EFFORT, AND LOWEST VALUE AND HIGHEST PRICE POINT. IT'S OUR LEAST PREFERRED. UH, AGAIN, AND THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS, IT REMOVES THE CURBABILITY OF THAT. AND I THINK I DISCUSSED THAT IN THE LAST MEETING, IS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO CALM THE TRAFFIC AS IT APPROACHES THE Y ROUNDABOUT TO HELP THE METERING AND THE GAPPING OF THAT WE'RE DOING IN THE OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL. SO, UM, BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU THOSE THREE ALTERNATIVES. AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE TO GET COMMITMENT TONIGHT BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET THE FUNDING AND SHOW YOU ON, BUT YOUR, UM, COUNSEL IS RECOMMENDED AND APPRECIATED. I ASK A QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND? SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE, THE RECOMME ONE. AND IT SHOWS IN THE SMALLER WINDOW THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THE, THE STAFF'S PREFERRED AT SLIDE. HOLLY'S DONE YET 32. KATHY, YOU SAID THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WAS YOU WERE LOOKING AT PRICE POINTS. WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THOSE PRICE POINTS? THE PRICE POINTS ARE BASICALLY HOW MUCH IMPACT, UH, AND THE OVERALL COST. SO HOW MUCH PAVEMENT YOU'RE ABLATING, HOW MUCH YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUT, AND HOW MUCH YOU HAVE DIE. SHE WANTS TO KNOW HOW MUCH THE TOTAL COST IS BETWEEN THE THREE ALTERNATIVES. OH, I, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN, IN THAT FINITE MATH TO TELL YOU SPECIFICALLY THAT THE THREE DIFFERENT COSTS. OKAY. 'CAUSE YOU SAID IT'S JUST CONCEPT RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST TO SHOW YOU THE CONCEPT. WE'RE JUST OVERALL LOOKING AT THE, UH, FOOTPRINTS. SO BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING YOU ANTICIPATE THAT, UH, UM, OPTION TWO WOULD, WOULD BE THE LESS EXPENSIVE. CORRECT. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION OF THAT? NO, WE'RE NOT THAT ANYWHERE CLOSE ONE IS THE LESS LEAST EXPENSIVE. I THOUGHT OPTION ONE IS THE LEAST EXPENSIVE. OPTION ONE WAS THE LEAST. OPTION TWO WAS THE MODERATE. OPTION THREE WAS THE MOST IMPACTFUL BASED ON FOOTPRINT CONSTRUCTION IMPACTS. AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ESTIMATES ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPTION ONE AND TWO? NO. THIS IS, THIS IS JUST CONCEPT ONLY. JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE RENDERINGS WERE AS YOU GUYS REQUESTED. WHEN WILL THAT INFORMATION BE COMING TO AS PART OF THE REST OF THE INFORMATION THAT COMES? WHEN WILL THAT BE COMING TO US FOR DISCUSSION? UM, WE CAN DO THAT AT THE NEXT SIM UPDATE IF YOU DESIRE. YEAH, I'D LIKE SOME ESTIMATES. RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT RENDERINGS AND SCOPING. WHAT DOES THAT APPEAL TO YOU? OKAY, OPTION ONE, TWO, OR THREE. AND I'M SORRY, ONE MORE QUESTION. I SEE IN OPTIONS ONE AND TWO THAT THERE ARE, SORRY, PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT ARE DEPICTED, BUT THERE IS NO PEDESTRIAN CROSSING DEPICTED IN OPTION THREE, [02:25:04] RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S, I, YOU, THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOU'RE STICKING TO THAT . YEAH, BECAUSE, UM, WITHOUT THE ROUNDABOUT, YOU CAN'T INTERRUPT TRAFFIC FOR THAT CROSSING. SO THE, IF YOU WANTED TO CROSS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO UP TO THE Y ROUNDABOUT, BUT THOSE AREN'T REALLY ROUNDABOUTS ANYMORE EITHER. IT'S THE SAME THING. IF IT'S, IF IT'S IN ITEM, WHETHER IT'S OPTION ONE, TWO, OR THREE, TRAFFIC IS CONTINUING THROUGH. SO THE, THE DIFFERENCE, MAYBE I CAN JUMP IN HERE, IS IN TWO AND THREE, OR I'M SORRY, IN OPTIONS ONE AND TWO, YOU'VE GOT THE CURVATURE STILL IN PLACE, SO YOU'RE SLOWING TRAFFIC DOWN. MM-HMM . MAKING THAT A SAFER CONDITION FOR THAT PEDESTRIAN INTERACTION IN, IN OPTION THREE, WHERE IT'S STRAIGHT THROUGH. NOW YOUR SPEEDS ARE HIGHER, EXCEPT WHEN YOU'RE IN HIGH PEAK CONGESTION, OF COURSE. BUT IT MAKES A LESS SAFE CONDITION. AND I, I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE TO MOVE THOSE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS TO THE INTERSECTION. TO THE INTERSECTION. SO YOU WOULD, IF YOU WERE COMING EAST, YOU COULD USE THE, UM, ROUNDABOUT AT THE RANGER FOREST ROUNDABOUT IF YOU WERE COMING FROM THE WEST, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE EAST, YOU WOULD GO TO THE Y ROUNDABOUT. SO BASICALLY, YES, THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE REMOVED IN THIS OPTION. WELL, THAT, THAT, THAT'S A LARGE, THAT'S A BURDEN ON A PEDESTRIAN THAT'S TRYING TO CROSS THERE. CORRECT. THAT'S A MUCH LONGER DISTANCE FOR AN AREA THAT SERVES POST OFFICE AND WILL THEORETICALLY MAYBE HAVE INCREASED ACTIVITY DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS DOWN IN THAT CONNECTION AREA. SO JUST, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT ON THAT TOPIC. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION IS, THIS IS A MIDBLOCK CROSSWALK NOW, LIKE WHAT WE HAVE AT OCK. AND DO, WOULD WE WANT THAT AT THIS LOCATION OR NOT? IS THE CONSIDERATION? OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE DON'T DO THAT. MM-HMM . YOU DON'T DO, WHICH PUT A MID BOX CROSSWALK HERE. OH, I, OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD. I JUST WANNA BE SURE. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO, SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDING WITH OPTION TWO AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO MOVE FORWARD TO COME UP WITH A COST ESTIMATE, WE WOULD INCORPORATE THIS ROUNDABOUT IMPROVEMENT WITH THE SIM FIVE E, UM, THE ROUNDABOUT AT FOREST ROAD AND RANGER. BUT MY POINT, KURT BEFORE WAS I DON'T ONLY WANT A COST ESTIMATE FOR OPTION TWO. I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE COST ESTIMATES ARE FOR THE THREE OPTIONS SO THAT WE CAN FACTOR THAT IN TO OUR DECISION MAKING. WE CAN DO THAT. YES. OKAY. PETE. I, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH DROPPING OPTION THREE. IT'S JUST STRAIGHTER FASTER TRAFFIC THAT I JUST THINK IS MORE DANGEROUS ALL AROUND. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE COSTS ON OPTION ONE. I WANNA KNOW HOW MUCH THE ROLLED CURB AND WHATEVER IS GONNA COST US, YOU KNOW, THE NICETIES. UH, I, UH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO CONSIDER, UH, CROSSWALKS BECAUSE OF INTERCONNECTIVITY ISSUES. AND I JUST LIKE TO KNOW HOW PEDESTRIANS AND BIKERS AND WHATEVER WILL BE GETTING AROUND AS A POSSIBILITY. SO I, I THINK IT'S REALLY HAS POTENTIAL TO BE REALLY DIFFERENT THAN A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WALKING ACROSS TO GO SHOPPING, UH, AS THE CLOCK CROSSWALK IS, THIS IS A, A TRANSIT INTERCONNECT, YOU KNOW, A MOBILITY INTERCONNECTION. SO I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY. GO AHEAD. WELL, ACTUALLY, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK IF THERE'S CONSENSUS TO DROP OPTION THREE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. YES. WELL, ACTUALLY, NO, NO, NO. I'M SORRY. MISREAD YOU. I APOLOGIZE. I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM ALL THREE OF THEM. MM-HMM . WHAT? PUT ALL THREE OF THEM. I ALMOST THOUGHT I SAW FOUR VOTES FOR DROP. OPTION THREE. OKAY. I DON'T, I WOULD DROP THREE. I DON'T WANNA BE ASSUMED TO STATE SOMETHING THAT I DON'T. 1, 2, 3, 4. OKAY. I JUST DON'T WANT US TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE, EXCUSE ME, I DIDN'T GET A COUNT. I THINK COUNSELOR FURMAN WAS ASKING FOR ACCOUNT ON WHO WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF DROPPING WAS FAFF AND ME AND THE TWO END, AND EVEN THE MAYOR. SO IT'S FINE. SO THERE'S MAJORITY CONSENSUS. THANK YOU. YES. OKAY. I, I JUST DON'T, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BACK TO TILLOCK WITH A CROSSWALK. MM-HMM . WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? AND I HEAR WHAT YOU SAY, PETE, BUT I GOTTA BE CONVINCED THAT THIS IS NOT GONNA TURN INTO ANOTHER DISASTER. THE CROSSWALK, THE CROSSWALK ISN'T A CERTAINTY AN OPTION [02:30:01] TWO YET EITHER, RIGHT? YEAH. WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT. RIGHT. SO I, I'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. I WOULD NOT SUPPORT IT A CROSSWALK THERE AT ALL, BECAUSE THE, THE SPEEDS ON 89 A DO NOT DICTATE. I MEAN, THEY WANNA ELIMINATE THE, ONE OF THE CROSSWALKS AT, UH, COFFEE POT, ANDY, THAT'S, AND THAT'S AT A TRAFFIC LIGHT. SO CERTAINLY HAVING A CROSSWALK WITH NO SIGNALIZATION, I DON'T THINK IT'S SAFE AT ALL. THAT WAS SOMETHING ADA BROUGHT UP, BUT THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK. WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE PRICING AND, UH, ANALYSIS OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO REMOVE THE CROSSWALK. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. YOU ASKED , I'M SORRY, WHAT IS THE, UH, YOUR, HOW MUCH INTO THE DESIGN OF THIS, WHAT PERCENTAGE? WE'RE BOTH AT A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT THE SIM FIVE E FORCE, WE HAVEN'T INCLUDED THIS RANGER. UH, I MEAN THE BREWER ROUND, UH, ROUNDABOUT MODIFICATION UNTIL WE GOT FURTHER DIRECTION. CAN I CLARIFY? YES, PLEASE. WE'RE FAR ENOUGH ALONG TO DO THE COST ANALYSIS THAT YOU NEED. YES. SO, YEAH. YEAH. AND WE CAN PRESENT THAT TO THE NEXT ONE. AND WHEN DO WE ANTICIPATE IS THE NEXT ONE? IT'S EVERY THREE MONTHS WE DO OUR SIM UPDATES. THANKS. UM, AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN, UM, TWO LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS WITH STATE LEGISLATIVE FUNDING FOR APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, WE'RE CONTINUING TO PURSUE NACOG, UH, REGIONAL PRIORITY. AND, UM, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA GO TO A, UH, NACO TRAINING ON HOW TO, UH, WORK WITH LEGISLATURES TO IMPROVE OUR INCREASEMENT. I THINK, UH, COUNCILOR FOLTZ IS GONNA JOIN US. I'LL BRING THAT BACK AND, UM, CROSS-TRAIN STAFF TO HOPEFULLY INCREASE OUR ODDS. BUT THE SAME QUESTION TO COUNCIL TONIGHT IS DO WE WANT TO, UH, TRY TO SELF-FUND THIS OR CONTINUE, UM, WITH THE REGIONAL PROJECT PRIORITY LIST OF NACOG OR PERHAPS EVEN GO AFTER FEDERAL, UM, GRANT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES? WELL, AS STATED BEFORE, NOW THAT WE'RE AT, UH, SHOVEL READY OR GETTING CLOSE TO SHOVEL READY, MELISSA? SO THIS IS NOT ABOUT FUNDING, BUT I HAVE NOTICED, 'CAUSE I GO UP AND DOWN ON 89 PAST FOREST EXTENSION FREQUENTLY, AND I HAVE NOTICED MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TURNING LEFT FROM FOREST ROAD, UM, WHICH IT SAYS NO LEFT TURN. YEAH. I WAS JUST WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE NOTICED ANY INCREASE IN INCIDENTS OR ALMOST INCIDENTS FROM PEOPLE TURNING LEFT THERE. I I HAVEN'T HAD REPORTS ON THAT. UM, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY GET A, UH, A REPORT FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THAT. MY ONLY, MY ONLY CONCERN IN, IN WHAT I'VE NOTICED IS WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SET OF THINGS BEING PUSHED UP HIGHER IN THE QUEUE IN ORDER TO PREVENT POTENTIAL ACCIDENTS FROM HAPPENING WITH PEOPLE TURNING LEFT THERE, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS NO LEFT TURN. OH, I'M SORRY, DEREK, GO AHEAD. DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE CROSSWALK OR ARE WE STILL LEAVING THAT OPEN? UH, BECAUSE I THINK THE PUBLIC SEES THIS, THEY'RE GONNA YEAH. I, I DON'T WANT A CROSSWALK. YEAH. DOES ANYBODY WANT A CROSSWALK ON CROSS 89 A WITH NO SIGNALIZATION? CAN I, ANDY, THROW OUT, COULD WE PROVIDE THE TECHNICAL ANALYSIS ON THAT BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION? YES, PLEASE. OKAY. THAT'S FAIR. THANK YOU. BYE. UM, STILL WOULD LOVE DIRECTION ON, SHOULD WE GO AHEAD AND START EXPANDING OUR GRANT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THESE PROJECTS THAT, OR KEEP ON THE TRACK THAT WE'RE DOING. SO KURT, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT. YOU, IF YOU CAN KEEP ON EXPANDING YOUR GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, YOU'D STILL BE OPEN IF NEXT YEAR OR NEXT WAVE OF NACO SHIFTS. OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK I REPORTED TO COUNCIL ABOUT A MONTH OR SO AGO THAT, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I MET WITH, UH, KWAN WYNN, THE REPRESENTATIVE. UH, WE HAD A VERY, REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION AND HE IS NOW SUPPORTING, SUPPOSEDLY SUPPORTING IT. ANDY WAS VERY HELPFUL, PROVIDED ME THE LETTER TO SEND WITH ALL THE DATA. WE GOT IT TO HIM WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME THAT WAS REQUESTED. AND I'M JUST HOPEFUL, SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO TURN THAT DOWN. SHOULD HAVE COME UP. YEAH. NO, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO GO AFTER THE REGIONAL PROJECT PRIORITIES LIST. WE WERE VERY PROUD THAT WE WERE RANKED NUMBER TWO OUT OF ALL OF NORTHERN ARIZONA FOR THIS. THIS IS A SPECIFIC PROGRAM FOR RURAL, UH, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THROUGH THE STATE LEGISLATURE. WE FELT VERY OPTIMISTIC. HOWEVER, IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS NOW. UM, WE DON'T WANT IT TO LANGUISH AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET YOUR APPROVAL, UM, TRYING TO GO AFTER POTENTIALLY OTHER FUNDING TO TRY TO [02:35:01] GET THESE PROJECTS DELIVERED. BUT ANDY, WE DID HEAR THE REQUEST. AT THE NEXT SIM UPDATE, WE'LL GIVE A FULL REPORT ON ANY DIFFERENT, ANY DIFFERENCES THAT WE'VE SEEN IN LEVEL OF NEAR, UH, MISS ACCIDENTS OR ACTUAL ACCIDENTS FOR, FOR THAT AREA. FOR THE LEFT TURNS, YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, CORRIDOR RENDERINGS, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THIS IN AS ANOTHER VISUAL SHOWING HOW THE TWO ROUNDABOUTS ARE CONNECTED TO THE RANGER EXTENSION, UM, IN THIS AS WELL AS THIS, UH, FUTURE POTENTIAL RIDE EXCHANGE HUB. REMEMBER, THAT'S A LONG TERM, UH, LOWER PRIORITY PROJECT RIGHT NOW, 2029 IS WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT. BUT I JUST WANT TO INCLUDE THIS RENDERING SO YOU COULD SEE THAT HOW THEY'RE GREATLY INTERCONNECTED. AGAIN, HOW WE, UH, WORK WITH THE CONSULTANT WAS TO BUILD, UH, DESIGN BOTH THESE PROJECTS THAT COULD BE DONE INDEPENDENTLY OR TOGETHER AS ONE, UH, POTENTIAL PROJECT. UM, AND, AND RANGER IS AS ANOTHER THIRD PARTY IN THAT. AND THEN REMEMBER OFF SCREEN IS THIS IS THE BREWER ROUND, UM, ROUNDABOUT IMPROVEMENTS. UM, SORRY. YES MA'AM. WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THOSE BUILDINGS REPRESENTING IN THAT RENDERING THERE? WHERE RIGHT. THESE, YES, THOSE ARE THE EXISTING, UM, HOUSING UP ON SEDONA VISTA LANE. OKAY. THAT'S UP ON TOP. THAT'S THE MORMON CHURCH. OKAY. OF THIS CHURCH AND THOSE. AND TO THE, UH, AND THIS WOULD BE THE RANGER. THIS IS OUR BREWER OFFICE ROAD. OKAY. RANGER RANGER PARK IS OVER THIS WAY. AND THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. COLDWELL BANKERS RIGHT HERE AND THOSE OTHER, UH, BUILDINGS ARE HERE. OKAY. SO, AND THAT'S JUST SHOWING YOU HOW, UH, RANGER EXTENSION WOULD WORK THROUGH BOTH ROUNDABOUTS, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA HOW IT WORKS. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. THE NEXT IS OUR SIM FOUR F PROJECT BY ROUNDABOUT THE ADAPTIVE SIGNALS. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD AND GET, UM, DESIGN AND DELIVERED THIS YEAR TO HELP OUT OUR, UM, THE Y ROUNDABOUT TO STAY IN A LEVEL OF SERVICE. UM, IT PROVIDES THAT GAP. AGAIN, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT. WE'VE WENT AND GOT THE CONTRACT STARTED. THERE'S SOME FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS WE'RE TRYING TO PRESENT AS STAFF. UM, WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH IT TO MAKING IT SOLAR, UM, WIRELESS SO IT'S EASY TO INSTALL, EASY TO MANIPULATE, AND, UM, AND REDUCE THE COST AND TIMEFRAMES TO GET THIS INSTALLED. THAT WAS BIG PART OF OUR OUTPUT FROM WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR IN DOING ALL THOSE TESTS WITH THOSE AUTOMATIC FLAGGERS, WORKING WITH OUR POLICE DURING HOLIDAYS. AND THAT, AGAIN, AS A REMINDER OF THE OUTCOME, IT SHOWS THAT THIS IS A, A VALID AND A WORKING OPTION, ALTERNATIVE IMPROVEMENT FOR THE ROUNDABOUT TO KEEP IT FUNCTIONALLY AND FLOWING. UM, AGAIN, BOTH THESE ROUNDABOUTS WOULD HAVE PREEMPTION, UM, TO ALLOW EMERGENCY SERVICES AND TRANSIT TO, TO GET PREEMPTION, UM, TO GET THROUGH, UH, MANEUVER THROUGH THESE ROUNDABOUTS, UM, UH, IN A PRIORITY BEFORE OTHER, UM, OTHER TRAFFIC. UH, AGAIN, THE, THE, WE WOULD INCORPORATE A PEDESTRIAN BICYCLIST CALL SIGNAL. SO AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE SAFER FOR, UH, PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS TO CROSS AT THE Y ROUNDABOUT. AND I HAVE A RENDERING THAT KIND OF JUST SHOWS WHAT OUR STAFF PUT TOGETHER IT'S CONCEPT ONLY TO SHOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, A METERING THAT YOU WOULD SEE ON A ON RAMP AT A FREEWAY. SO IT WOULD BE BA BASICALLY A RED GREEN WITH THE STOP BAR, UM, TO REALLY GET THE DRIVER, THE MOTORIST TO STOP. UM, AND AGAIN, IT WOULD ONLY COME IN EFFECT ONCE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE OF THE ROUNDABOUT IS GOING FROM LIKE A C TO A D. SO ONCE WE START SEEING THAT THERE'S A SLUG OR PLATOON OF TRAFFIC, UM, THEN THESE LIGHTS WOULD, WOULD AUTOMATICALLY ENGAGE TO FORCE THE DRIVER TO GET THAT GAP, TO KEEP THE, THE ROUNDABOUT AND FREE FLOW. AGAIN, CONCEPT ONLY, IS THIS IN USE ANYWHERE ELSE? HAVE WE YES. OO OTHER WHERE IN THE NATION. BUT THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE MEETING WITH ADOT. AND WE'VE ALREADY GOT AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT. UM, THEY'RE EXCITED TO, TO WORK THROUGH IT. THEY HAVEN'T GAVE US GREAT C COMMITTAL YET SO FAR. BUT LOCALLY WE'VE GOTTEN BUY-IN. THEY ALL KNOW THE CHALLENGES [02:40:01] THAT THE CITY SEDONA FACED WITH OUR TRAFFIC CONGESTION. UM, KURT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR THAT? WE WANT TO DELIVER THIS BEFORE NEXT, THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO NOT IN TIME FOR THE, THE SPRING. UM, PROBABLY NOT. WE'RE GONNA TRY, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO COMMIT TO THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. BUT THERE'S PROGRESS. YES. RIGHT NOW WE HAVEN'T GOT THE FEEDBACK YET ON CAN WE BUILD THIS SOLAR POWERED, YOU KNOW, UH, WIRELESS TO MAKE IT REALLY EASY FOR INSTALLATION VERSUS ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO ACTUALLY BRING IN, UM, CABLE AND POWER SUPPLY? AND IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GONNA MAKE THAT. 'CAUSE THAT WOULD PROBABLY END UP BEING NIGHT WORK WHEN WE GO TO CONSTRUCTION. NOT TO CREATE, UH, INTERFERENCE WITH THE Y ROUNDABOUT AS ITS FUNCTIONS TODAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, I'M TRYING TO FIVE A BEING CONSCIOUS OF TIME HERE AT SEVEN 30. UM, THIS IS OUR SIM FIVE, A PORTAL BREWER LINE, UM, EXIT. UM, THIS IS A SI SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID AT LOS ADOS, AGAIN, TO GET ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES IN OUR PORTAL THROUGH AKKA TO EXIT OUT ON BREWER. UM, THAT WOULD END UP BEING GOING THROUGH THAT SIM FIVE D BREWER ROUNDABOUT EVENTUALLY WITH US. UM, I JUST WANTED TO THROW THE, THE DRAWINGS ON HERE OF THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT. UM, AND THEN WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM OUR PARTNERS TO LOCK HOCKEY ON THEIR CONCEPT. THE BIG CHALLENGES WE'RE FACING IS THERE'S NO, THEY WANT NODE NET LOSS OF THEIR PARKING SPACES. SO ADDING THIS EXTRA BRIDGE THAT COMES ACROSS SOLDIER'S WASH AND THE CONFIGURATION OF HOW IT TIES INTO BREWER. AND THEN, UM, THE CHALLENGES ARE WORKING THROUGH IS, UM, I'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IS HOW DO WE GET, UM, ERRANT TRAFFIC THAT ENTERS IN FROM A BREWER, UM, NOT TO, UH, CONFLICT WITH THE EXITING TRAFFIC THAT COMES OUT AND THEN ALLOW A TURNAROUND. AND SO WE'RE CONFINED WITH SPACE. SO RIGHT NOW, THE NEXT STEP IS ARE WE GONNA HAVE A TURNAROUND AT THE ENTRANCE? HOW THAT'S GONNA CONFIGURE OR IS TO LOCK A POCKET GOING TO ON THEIR COST? ARE THEY GOING TO INCORPORATE THAT WITH WHATEVER TECHNOLOGY THEY USE FOR THEIR, UM, FOR THEIR CONTROLLED ACCESS? MEANING IF SOMEONE'S ERRANT IN THERE, THEY CAN'T PACK PARK BECAUSE THEY'RE NON-EMPLOYED, THEY GET A TICKET AND THEY GET 10 MINUTES TO COME THROUGH THE PARKING AND LEAVE. UM, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THESE BASIC ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING IN ORDER TO FINALIZE THE CONCEPT SO WE CAN, UM, COMPLETE THE FOOTPRINT AND GO TO, UM, FINAL DESIGN. UH, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT IN INTERLOCK PARKING. THEY HAVE SOMEONE PARKING, UH, THEY'LL GET A TICKET. WE CAN'T TICKET I DON'T BELIEVE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. NO, THIS IS THEIRS. SO JUST TO REMIND YOU, MAYOR, WE'RE ONLY BUILDING THE PORTAL LANE EXIT, BUT IN ORDER TO DO SO, WE NEED TO WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM TO MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT IMPACTING THEIR FUTURE PLANS FOR THEIR PARKING IMPROVEMENTS. SO EVERYTHING THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THAT FOOTPRINT WOULD THEN BE ON LOCK A POCK AND THE TIMING ON THEM WOULD WORK OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE THAT'S ON THEIR TIMELINE AND THEIR BUSINESS. BUT OUR COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY TO THEM IS THAT WE'RE GONNA INCORPORATE OR DESIGN THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA CREATE A NET LOSS TO THEIR EXISTING PARKING AREA. UM, ALSO THAT'S NOT SHOWN IN HERE IS I WANT TO ADD, UH, RE REACHING WITH EL PORT, UM, THAT WE WANT TO ADD A SHARED USE PATH, UM, TO GET TO RANGER PARK ACROSS SOLDIER'S WASH, UM, WHICH IS GONNA BE IN THE OTHER DESIGN THAT I'D BE GLAD TO SHARE WITH YOU AT THE NEXT SIM UPDATE. UH, AGAIN, THAT'S TO PROVIDE, UM, ACCESS FROM VISITORS, USERS, GUESTS FROM ALL OF THE, UM, RESORTS THERE AND THE BUSINESSES TO GET TO RANGER PARK AND SO ON, WHICH WOULD, UH, WE FEEL IS A, BE A GOOD ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, A PART OF THIS IS SHOWING WE'RE AT THREE CONCEPTS AND ARCH PREFABRICATED BRIDGE, A POST TENSION POURED IN PLACE BRIDGE, OR A SLIGHT IN BRIDGE AS PART OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. UH, AGAIN, THIS, THE DIFFERENT DESIGNS HAVE CHANGED THE SKEW IN ORDER TO GET THE, THE SIZE OF DELIVERY TRUCKS THAT ARE GONNA SERVICE, UM, THE, TO LOCK A P AND POTENTIALLY OTHER, UH, BUSINESSES IN THERE. UM, AND OUR POTENTIAL PUMP TRUCKS. ALSO, YOU SHOULD ALL KNOW WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH WASTE WASTEWATER ON TO KEEP, UM, THEIR LIFT STATION SEPARATE AND TO OFFSET ALL OF THEIR, UM, UNDERGROUND UTILITIES AND SETBACKS. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH [02:45:01] A LOT OF CONSTRAINTS. UM, HOPEFULLY WE'RE GONNA TURN A CORNER AND, UM, GET TO FINAL DESIGN, UM, ON OUR NEXT, UH, SIM UPDATE. UH, NEXT SLIDE IS, UM, I THINK I JUST TALKED ABOUT IT HERE, JUST SHOWING OUR LOS AGAVES WHEN WE GETTING TRAFFIC COUNTS. IT'S BE, UM, IT'S GETTING MORE, MORE USE WHEN WE OUTREACH TO THEIR STAFF. THEY'RE REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF HAVING THAT OPPORTUNITY OF EXIT ON THERE. THANK YOU MAYOR. YEAH. BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TOPIC, I'M GONNA MAKE MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION KURT. SURE. UM, AND I'M TRYING TO BALANCE ALL THIS STUFF IN MY MIND. PART OF IT IS REMEMBERING FROM OUR TRAFFIC STRATEGY THAT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE ACTUALLY THE MOST IMPACTFUL THAT WE HAVE FOR POTENTIALLY REDUCING BACKUPS ON 1 79, UH, WITH THE, THE UNKNOWN COST. BECAUSE WE'RE, I THINK, UN IN MY MIND, UNDERSTANDABLY, SOMEWHAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT YOU WITH STAFF DOESN'T LIKE TO CHUNK OUT A COST WHEN IT'S VARIABLE AND KINDA LOTS OF UNKNOWNS. BUT NONETHELESS, I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT MAYBE THE FUTURE OF OUR SIM PROJECTS IS PETERING OUT AND THERE'S MORE AVAILABLE DOLLARS, BUT I DON'T REALLY KNOW. UM, I'M GETTING INCREASINGLY UNCOMFORTABLE OF US CONTINUING TO WORK ON THESE PROJECTS AND SPEND ENGINEERING TIME AND DOLLARS, UH, WITHOUT DRAGGING THE COST ALONG WITH IT AS WELL. 'CAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THIS WE REALLY, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO BITE, EAT THE ELEPHANT BLINDFOLDED ONE BITE AT A TIME, NOT KNOWING HOW BIG IT IS KIND OF THING. UM, AND, AND AMBER, THAT KIND OF GOES FOR THE TRANSIT PROJECTS AS WELL. BUT THESE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SWALLOWED SOME PRETTY BIG TICKET ITEMS SO FAR. THESE ARE ALSO REALLY BIG TICKET ITEMS AND, AND THE COSTS HAVE ONLY GROWN. AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN EVEN REMEMBER SORT OF HOW THE BUDGET OUTLAYS GO AND WHAT MONEY IS THERE OR NOT, AND WHETHER THIS IS ALL DEPENDENT ON BONDING OR 80% FOR TRANSIT AND WHETHER 80% IS EVEN REALLY GONNA BE THERE. SO THERE'S A LOT AT STAKE IN THESE THINGS ARE BIG AND MOVING, AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF TRYING AS BEST WE CAN. AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S ESTIMATES OF DRAGGING COSTS FORWARD AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF, 'CAUSE IT'S EVERY DAY GOES BY, IT GETS MORE EXPENSIVE THAT WE DO IT. AND EVENTUALLY THERE MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH MONEY EVEN IN SEDONA TO AFFORD SOME OF THESE THINGS. SO, ANDY, I GUESS A SUGGESTION HERE, SO A PROJECT LIKE THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY IS ACTUALLY IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS F THIS FISCAL YEAR, THIS FY 26 BUDGET. BUT WHAT WE COULD DO MOVING FORWARD IS AS WE WALK THROUGH THESE PROJECTS IN THE SIM UPDATE IS INCLUDE THOSE NUMBERS AS WE GO PROJECT TO PROJECT. WOULD THAT HELP? YES. EVERYONE. OKAY. WE'LL PLAN TO MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT. YEAH. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING AFTER GRANTS, UH, FOR OUR SIM FIVE D THE ROUND THE RANGER, UM, FOREST 89 A ROUNDABOUT, WE'RE IN 80 20. SO WE'VE GONE TO THE STATE SAYING WE'RE GONNA CONTRIBUTE 20%, THE STATE'S GONNA CONTRIBUTE THE 80%. UM, IF WE GO AFTER FEDERAL FUNDING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT 95 5% RATIO. HOWEVER, THE CONSEQUENCES, AND I, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP, COUNSELOR FURMAN, IS BECAUSE THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET FEDERAL CRITERIA. AND YOU TALK ABOUT COST INCREASE, WELL NOW YOU HAVE TO MEET ALL THE FEDERAL COSTS. SO, UH, OUR PROJECTS ARE 7 MILLION. THEY'RE GONNA GO UP 30, 40% BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE FEDERAL CRITERIA, DAVIS BACON WAGES, AND ALL THE NEPA CRITERIA BY AMERICA, ALL THE CRITERIA THAT THIS FED'S PUT ON IT. AND THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE THIRD PARTY CONSTRUCTIVE ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE THE FEDS REQUIRE A, A CERTIFIED ADOT OR A CONSULTING COMPANY TO DELIVER THOSE PROJECTS. SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THERE'S ALWAYS A, A COST ON, ON EVERY AND FOLLOWING THAT MONEY, YOU DID ASK US, KURT, AND WE DEFINITELY AVOIDED ANSWERING THE QUESTION ABOUT IF OUR APPETITE IS GROWING FOR MAYBE SELF-FUNDING SOME OF THESE STUFF, THESE PROJECTS. AND WE CERTAINLY CAN'T ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS WITHOUT DRAGGING FORWARD THE COST. UNDERSTOOD. AND THAT EVEN GOES FOR THE THREE OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, OF THE, THE, THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT. THE BREWER ROUNDABOUT. YOU KNOW, I, AND I THINK WE TURNED DOWN ONE OF THEM BECAUSE IT WASN'T RECOMMENDED. THE HIGHEST OPTION. THE HIGHEST COST OPTION. BUT YEAH, IT'S, WE'RE TALKING REAL [02:50:01] MONEY AND REAL TIME. IT'S A STAFF BURDEN. , WE NEED TO GET THESE THINGS DONE. IS THE MONEY GONNA BE THERE? WHAT HAPPENS IF 80% MONEY ISN'T, OR 95% MONEY ISN'T AVAILABLE? I DON'T KNOW. WE NEED TO DO A POLITICAL ANALYSIS ABOUT WHETHER OUR DREAMS CAN EVEN COME TRUE. BECAUSE THINGS ARE CHANGING IN THE WORLD AND IN OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TODAY. CORRECT. AND ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT ARE CONSIDERED WITH IMPERATIVE OR ESSENTIAL AS PART OF OUR, UM, SIM PROJECT. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY AND WE HEAR YOU. AND WE'LL BRING FORWARD, UH, THE ASSOCIATED COSTS AS WE BEST KNOW THEM, AND WE CAN DO OUR BEST IN PROJECTIVE COSTS. I KNOW YOU ALL UNDERSTAND AND WE KNOW WE LOOK AT VALUE ENGINEERING AND EVERYTHING WE DO AS WE'RE COST SENSITIVE. SO WE HEAR YOU AND WE'RE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THAT. UM, THIS, THIS SIM UM, THE, THE FIVE F IS, UH, WHERE IS IT? DID I MISS IT? WHERE IS IT? YEAH, THIS PROJECT, THE REASON WHY WE KEEP PUSHING FOR IT, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE, UM, LEAST INVASIVE, UH, IMPACTFUL WITH HIGH IMPACTS ON GETTING AROUND ABOUT TO BE FUNCTIONING. THAT'S THE RESEARCH WE'VE SEEN. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SHARING WITH ADOT. AND WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING TO, UH, SHARE THAT WITH YOU AS WELL. SO THAT WOULD BE A GREAT INVESTMENT. UM, I MAY YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH, I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING AS COUNCILOR FURMAN, WHEN YOU AND I DID AVOID ALSO ANSWERING THE QUESTION BECAUSE I THOUGHT, WELL, I DON'T THINK WE CAN AFFORD ALL OF THESE IF WE WERE TO SELF-FUND THEM. SO WHAT'S THE HIGHEST PRIORITY? YOU KNOW, AND THE, YOU NEED TO HELP US WITH THAT TOO, BUT THEY'RE ALL IMPERATIVE. BUT ONE'S GOTTA BE BETTER THAN OR A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN THE NEXT ONE BECAUSE IT HAS MORE IMPACT OR BECAUSE YOU NEED TO DO A BEFORE YOU CAN DO B AND C, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE QUITE UNDERSTAND. WELL, WE DO THIS THROUGH THE BUDGET CYCLE AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A SIM FOR F AS DELIVERED. SO MAYBE I CAN JUMP IN. WE, WHEN WE BUILT THE FY 26 BUDGET, WE PROPOSE THESE, THESE PROJECTS AS HAVING GRANT FUNDING. RIGHT. SO IF WE ARE GONNA PIVOT, THEN I, I TOTALLY GET YOUR POINT THAT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE FOR ALTERNATIVE FUNDING. SO WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU. YEAH. AND WE CAN PROVIDE THEN ALSO IF WE GO TO FEDERAL FUNDING, HOW MUCH INCREASE THAT'S GONNA BE TO THE PROJECT. I DO THINK WE BEAT THIS DEAD HORSE THOUGH. IF WE CAN MOVE ALONG, PLEASE. YEAH, IF WE CAN MOVE ALONG, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. UH, THIS IS OUR PARKING GARAGE. BOB WELCH COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. UM, HE'S AWAY ON LEAVE. UM, SO I'LL GO THROUGH THIS, UM, ON OUR UPDATES, UH, I THINK YOU SAW THIS, IT'S JUST, UM, ANDY HELPED ON DELIVERING THIS, UH, TIME LAPSE. UM, LET ME EXPAND THAT SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY FROM THE START. I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH TIME. YOU GUYS HAVE ALL GOT A GOOD LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. OOPS. WHAT HAD HAPPENED? THERE WE GO. UM, WE WENT AUTOMATICALLY THERE. AGAIN, HERE'S SOME AERIAL PHOTOS OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY. UM, HAVING A GOOD CROSS LOOK. I TRY TO PUT IN THE BACKGROUND SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW MUCH THE PROJECT HAS COME UP OUT OF THE GROUND TO DATE. AND WE'RE SCHEDULED TO COME UP ON THE THIRD TOP OF THE DECKING. UM, YOU'LL REALLY SEE WHAT THAT'S GONE. UM, I HEARD TODAY THAT THEY'RE HOPING TO MCCARTHY'S HAVE ALL THE CONCRETE POURING BY THE END OF, UM, OCTOBER INTO NOVEMBER. SINCE THAT MEANS THE INFILL PROJECT, THE, UM, ACCELERATED MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, ALL THOSE OPTIONS WILL BE GOING ON THROUGH THIS WINTER. WE'RE STILL FOR A DELIVERY TIME IN, UM, MAY. UM, ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS I CAN ALL JUST MOVE THROUGH AND NOW WE'RE IN OUR SIM ONE B NORTHTOWN IMPROVEMENTS. UM, THIS IS A GOOD VIDEO I WANTED TO SHARE TOO, WHY IT'S NOT STARTING DO THAT. OOPS, [02:55:10] COME ON. TODAY WE ARE EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THE COMPLETION OF THE UPTOWN IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT. THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN A MULTI-YEAR EFFORT, WHICH INCLUDES THE ADDITION OF O AND D ROAD, A NEW SOUTHBOUND LANE ON 80 NEW ROUNDABOUTS WITH A, A RIGHT HAND TURN LANE AT A MORROW, A DECORATIVE MEDIUM, A SEPARATED LEFT HAND TURN LANE ONTO FOREST ROAD AND MANY OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, SOME OF WHICH YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT IN THIS VIDEO. ANOTHER COMPLETED PROJECT WAS A 10 FOOT WIDE SHARED USE PATH IN SEAT WALL THAT PROVIDES SEPARATION AND SAFE TRAVEL FOR BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS. ANOTHER COMPLETED PROJECT INCLUDED PAVING AND RES STRIPING OF UPTOWN FROM FOREST ROAD TO O AND B ROUNDABOUT. WE HOPE YOU ENJOY THE NEW VIEW WALK, WHICH INCLUDES 10 INTERPRETIVE PANELS IN COLLABORATION WITH THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM. ANOTHER COMPONENT WAS PLANTING NATIVE TREES AND VEGETATION TO PROVIDE SHADE THROUGHOUT UPTOWN. COLLECTIVELY, ALL OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS WORKED TO ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND APPROVE WALKABILITY. THAT'S ON OUR WEBSITE AND THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY OUR OWN STAFF. UM, PART OF THE THE LEFTOVER ITEMS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE INTERPRETIVE, UH, PANEL. THIS IS THE LAST ONE THAT'S STILL IN DRAFT. UM, THE HERITAGE MUSEUM IS COMING, UH, BRINGING UP THE NARRATION. IT'S TO SHOW ALL THE, UM, SKYLINE OUTCROPS, UM, AND LANDMARKS. UM, THAT'LL BE IN THE CENTER. THAT'LL BE IN THE CENTER, SO IT'S GONNA ATTRACT. PART OF THAT TOO WAS THROUGH OUR VIEW WALK PANEL, WAS TO ADD THE SMALL, UM, OUT, UH, WHAT DO THEY CALL 'EM, THE BOTTOM OF THE RAIL, A VIEW WALK TO ACCENT, THE, UM, FOOTPRINTS THAT WE HAD IN PRE I PRESSED UPON IN THE SHARED USE PATH. UM, TO KINDA SHOW YOU WHAT'S GONNA BE ON THERE TOO. SO LET'S TRY TO CAPTURE OTHER PEOPLE'S AND LET THEM, UH, LINGER AND ACTIVATE THE SPACE. HERE'S A RENDERING OF WHAT THE CALL OF THE CANYON'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AT THE TOP OF THE SHARED USE BATH, UM, UH, WHERE HOW IT'S GONNA BE FACING AND LOCATED. WE TRY TO TRY TO SHOW YOU THE BEST. WE'RE ALMOST DONE WITH THE FOUNDATION DESIGN, SO THIS IS HOPEFULLY GONNA BE INSTALLED HERE SHORTLY. AND, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO GONNA BE BOOK IN, UM, ON PART OF THE SHARED USE PATH AS WELL. SO HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BRING IN MORE ATTENTION TO UPTOWN. THIS IS OUR, UM, RENDERINGS THAT WE DID FOR THE FINISHING OFF THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING OF OAK CREEK. AS A REMINDER, UM, WE DIDN'T GET THE, UH, PERMIT FROM ADOT TO PUT IN THE BARRIER FENCE. WE HAD THE TEMPORARY BARRIER FENCE IN THE MEDIANS. THIS IS TWO RENDERINGS SHOWING, UH, THE WIDTH OF THE ISLANDS, OF CHANGING THE WIDTH OF THE ISLANDS. PART OF, UH, REACHING OUT WITH ADOT IS THAT, UM, THE CURRENT ISLANDS ARE TOO SMALL. SO PART OF THIS PROJECT WOULD HAVE TO WIDEN THEM TO HAVE A, A FOOT OR TWO SETBACK FROM A BARRIER FROM THE FACE OF CURB. SO THESE ARE JUST TWO RENDERINGS THAT WE'RE SHOWING. UM, ONCE WE WORK THROUGH THEIR, UM, PERMIT DESIGN GROUP AND ALSO THEIR ROADSIDE DEVELOPMENT, WE WANT TO ALSO ASK WHERE WE COULD PUT ART AS INCORPORATED WITH THIS, THIS BARRIER. AGAIN, THIS IS ONLY CONCEPT OF WHAT WE COULD BE ON THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BARRIERS. WE DIDN'T GET ENOUGH FEEDBACK FROM ADOT IN TIME TO SHOW THOSE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL. SO OUR NEXT SIM UPDATE, WE'LL EITHER HAVE THAT OR HAVE A BETTER, UH, DESIGN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE ADOT WILL ALLOW US TO BUILD IN THERE. AGAIN, WHAT WE PROPOSED FROM LIKE UPTOWN WAS DENIED ONCE WE WERE DOING THE PEDESTRIAN UNDER CROSSING. SO, AND THEN BEFORE I GO INTO THE STEPS PROGRAM, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT OUR CURRENT SGIS PATH SIDEWALKS ARE IN UPTOWN AND UH, HOW WE'RE MAKING MORE CONNECTIVITY, MOBILITY AND ACCESS FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS IN UPTOWN. AND WITH THAT, I'LL HAVE, UM, SANDY COME UP AND SHE CAN, UH, GO THROUGH OUR [03:00:01] SHARED USE PATH. BUT DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE STOP INTO THE STEPS PROGRAM? ALRIGHT, SANDY. THANK YOU. AMBER. YES, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. SANDY PHILLIPS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AND ASSISTANT CITY ENGINEER. UH, WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS ON THE SHARED USE PASS. UM, AS YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN LITTLE HORSES ALMOST COMPLETE. WE'RE UM, JUST GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS. DRESS UP NATIVE SEATING IN BOULDER PLACEMENT AND THAT'LL BE OPEN NEXT WEEK. AND WE'RE APPROACHING 11 MILES. UM, WE HAVE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A STALL ON DANTE. WE'VE DONE SOME SOCIAL MEDIA OUTREACH ON THAT TO LET ALL THE NEIGHBORS KNOW. UM, THE CONTRACTOR WILL BE BACK ON SITE NEXT WEEK. UM, THEY'RE A BRAND NEW CONTRACTOR. THEY'RE LEARNING ALL THE THINGS. UM, A LOT OF THESE SHARED USE PATHS ARE INFILL, SO THEY'RE VERY COMPLICATED WITH UTILITIES. SO WE'RE JUST REGROUPING AND GONNA HIT IT. UM, STILL MAKE OUR UM, TIMELINES ON THAT. WHAT'S SUPER EXCITING, SO I HAD MENTIONED LAST, UM, WE GOT A GRANT FOR 2.6 MILLION. UM, KURT JUST TALKED ABOUT ALL THE DIFFICULTIES OF GETTING GRANTS. WELL, WE GOT ONE THAT GOES FROM OUR RANGER STATION PARK THAT'S NATIONAL AWARD, UM, TO THE BREWER ROAD, UH, SHARE, UH, TRAILHEAD. SO WE'VE BEEN CHECKING ALL THOSE BOXES AND DOING ALL THOSE THINGS, ALL THE NEPA. SO WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED. JUST LIKE HE SAID, OUR MATCH IS ABOUT 5%. SO I HAVE THE NUMBERS. UM, SO WE'RE GETTING 2.6 MILLION WITH OUR 5.7 MATCH. AND UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE CONSTRUCTION PLAN FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. I WILL BE BRINGING THE IGA FOR THAT GRANT BACK BEFORE YOU TO GET SIGNED. UM, SO WE THINK THIS'LL PROBABLY MOVE AHEAD SPRING, UM, AND IT'LL ROLL INTO FY 27. AND THAT'S, WE'VE BEEN PLAYING WITH AI SO OUR RENDERINGS ARE, WE'RE WE'RE GETTING BETTER AT WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE. CONGRATULATIONS, . IT'S, WE'RE VERY EXCITED. THAT WAS A HUGE WIN. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PROJECT I WANTED TO SHOW AND TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT WAS COFFEE POT THAT'S MOVING AHEAD. WE'RE FINISHING UP THE DESIGN ON THAT. UM, DOING A LOT OF OUTREACH. THIS IS GONNA BE A GOOD CONNECTOR TO THE THUNDER MOUNTAIN CONNECT, THE UM, BASHES AND THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. SO THAT IS, UM, AGAIN, SIGNIFICANT OUTREACH. WE'VE MET WITH THE COMMERCIAL, UH, MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND UM, THEY'RE SUPER SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT. AND THAT'S ALL I HAD ON SHARED USE PATHS, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. QUICK QUESTIONS? NOPE. NOT SEEING ANY. GO AHEAD. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT FOLKS. WE DID IT BEFORE EIGHT. BEFORE EIGHT . YEAH, I, I KNOW. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, ALRIGHT. EVERYBODY'S STILL HERE YET. LARS, WE'LL START WITH YOU. BE FOLLOWED BY UH, MARY WAGNER. LARS, YOU KNOW THE DRILL. ALRIGHT, LARS ROEG, CITY OF SEDONA IN THE CHAPEL AREA. UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. IT'S EXCITING FOR ME TO WATCH A LOT OF THE STUFF. I WAS INVOLVED WITH A LOT OF THE INITIAL STEPS PROGRAM WITH ANDY AND WITH DOUG CO PREVIOUSLY AND ALSO I'M ON THE STACK WITH AMBER AND THIS IS ALL REALLY INTERCONNECTED. UM, SOME OF THE STUFF I SEE ON THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE WITH THE SHUTTLE IS THAT WE NEED TO KEEP OUR EYES UP ON THIS FOR THE SHUTTLE TO WORK WELL FOR EVERYONE AND VISITOR RESIDENTS. IT'S KIND OF SPANS THE WHOLE AREA AND IT DOES CROSS CITY BOUNDARIES IN A LOT OF CASES FOR THIS THING TO GROW. UM, I HAVE PLANS TO SIT DOWN WITH AMBER AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT HOW THIS WORKS IN THE FUTURE, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THIS IN OUR MIND THAT FOR THIS TO WORK WELL FOR RESIDENTS, IT HAS TO KIND OF CROSS THIS BOUNDARY. AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF LIKE GOING TO GO FOR A HIKE AT THE END OF THE DAY. LIKE CERTAIN AREAS IS LOCAL, YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY ACCESS ONCE THE SHUTTLE IS RUNNING. BUT WITH THE SHUTTLE CONNECT NOW GOING IN SOME OF THESE AREAS WE CAN NOW ACCESS. LIKE IF YOU WANT TO GO FOR A SUNSET HIKE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO TO CATHEDRAL AND GET PICKED UP BY SHUTTLE CONNECT NOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE IN THE CHAPEL AREA OR SOME OF THESE OTHER PIECES. SO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FOREST SERVICE AS WELL WITH DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET AROUND AND MAKE THAT WORK. SO FIGURING OUT WHERE THE SHUTTLE'S GONNA GO IS A PLANNING PROCESS THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. AND WE SHOULD ALL PROBABLY THINK ABOUT TOGETHER. HOW DO YOU WANT TO EXPERIENCE THE DONUT TO GO HIKE? AND FOR A LOCAL YOU HAVE TO KIND OF BE ABLE TO GO POINT TO POINT OR DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T NORMALLY DO [03:05:01] ON YOUR OWN CAR. SO THAT HAPPENS FOR BIKE AND FOR HIKE. UM, ON THE OTHER HALF OF THIS, I KNOW I'LL TALK ABOUT MORE ABOUT THE SHARED USE PATHS AND IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE MORE AND MORE OF THIS STUFF HAPPEN AND GET TO WHERE IT'S AT. BUT I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO REALIZE THAT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE 10 MILES, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING, WE STILL HAVE AN INCOMPLETE SYSTEM. SO UNTIL FOR US TO SEE REALLY ROBUST USE OF THAT, OF THE PATHWAY SYSTEM, WE REALLY HAVE JUST LIKE OUR ROAD SYSTEM, IF THE ROAD STOPS AND IT GOES TO DIRT, YOU MIGHT NOT DRIVE YOUR CAR DOWN THERE 'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA DRIVE DOWN THAT DIRT ROAD. SO UNTIL WE GET SOME OF THESE CRITICAL CONNECTIONS LIKE, UM, FROM DRY CREEK ROAD TO THE Y AND THEN FROM THE Y OVER TO THE VILLAGE, UM, THAT AGAIN CROSSES BOUNDARIES. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF HAVE THAT CONNECTION IN IT. THE LOCALS HERE DON'T REALLY LOOK AT ALL THOSE PIECES. SO TO REALLY SEE ROBUST USE AND ACTUALLY TREAT THE THE CAR AND THE BIKE AS A CAR OF YOUR ACTUAL TRANSPORTATION MODE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THE MORE THE STUFF MOVES ALONG AND GETS PRIORITIZED, I THINK THE BETTER. SO PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU GUYS ARE DISCUSSING SOME OF THESE SIM THINGS. 'CAUSE IF WE CAN GET THESE CRITICAL CONNECTIONS, IT'D BE HUGE. AND I'VE BEEN IN WORKING ON ONE AND ANDY'S KIND OF FAMILIAR WITH THIS, WITH TRYING TO GET DOWN THE COOKS HILL CORRIDOR AND THAT ONE IS HUGE. I MEAN IF THAT ALL THAT STUFF FALLS INTO PLACE, I REALLY HOPE THAT IT COMES TO FRUIT AND YOU GUYS WILL SEE THAT IN THE FUTURE. OH, THANK YOU. OKAY. LOST. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. MARY WAGNER, FOLLOWED BY LAUREN NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. LAUREN, UH, SCOTTSDALE. SEDONA. UM, SO JUST A, A COUPLE THINGS. UM, IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IF THE SLIDES COULD GET PUBLISHED FOR EVERYONE TO SEE BEFORE THE MEETINGS, NOT JUST THE AGENDA. UM, AND THEN ON THE STATISTICS WHEN IT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE UPTOWN CIRCULATION STUDY, UM, IT'S INCLUDING THE NEITHER FOR OR AGAINST AS WANTING IT. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SKEWING THE DATA TO KIND OF SHOW THAT MAYBE MORE PEOPLE WANT IT THAN THEY DO. UM, YOU SHOULDN'T INCLUDE THE GROUP THAT'S DOESN'T WANT TO OR LIKE HASN'T, DOESN'T HAVE AN OPINION BECAUSE IT'S MAKING IT LOOK LIKE MORE PEOPLE WANT IT THAN THEY DO. UM, AND THEN ON ALL OF THE DIFFERENT BREWER AND RANGER ROAD AND FOREST ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, I, I'M JUST CURIOUS LIKE WHAT ORDER THEY WOULD BE DONE IN. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU CAN TAKE RANGER, GET TO BREWER AND MAKE A LEFT AND GO TOWARDS BASHES. IF YOU REMOVE THAT ROUNDABOUT BEFORE YOU DO THE FOREST ROAD ROUNDABOUT, YOU CAN NO LONGER GO LEFT THERE. UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING IS ON THE DIFFERENT PATHWAYS. WHEN THE PLAN WAS DONE IN 2020 FOR THE ONES THAT WEREN'T ACTUALLY BEING DONE, THEY WERE ALL NOTED AS PROPOSED PATHWAYS. NOW THROUGH DIFFERENT DOCUMENTATION THEY SAY PLANNED FUTURE. UM, AND I THINK THAT THE NAMES ON THOSE PATHWAYS DO MATTER AND THEY MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS. AND I THINK THAT YOU GUYS, UH, SHOULD BE CONSISTENT AND GO BACK TO THE PROPOSED AND NOT CALL THINGS PLANNED UNLESS THERE'S LEGITIMATE PLANS THAT PEOPLE HAVE SEEN, VIEWED WHATEVER, UM, TO LOOK AT FOR THOSE. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU LAUREN. ALRIGHT. MARY, DO YOU STILL WANNA COME UP? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, ED WILL BE OUR LAST SPEAKER, ED KETTLER, SEDONA, UH, COUPLE THINGS ON THE, UH, FIRST ON THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY, UH, CITIZENS BUDGET WORKING GROUP ASKED FOR OPTIONS ON THAT. SO IT'S NOT JUST THIS BIG MASSIVE THING AT ONE SHOT. WE'D LIKE TO SEE CHUNKS OF IT IS WHAT DOES THIS PHASING LOOK LIKE? AND YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND IT'S GONE UP PAST THE 22 MILLION POINT RIGHT NOW. SO WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, COME BACK AND REVISIT THAT AND LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS OF DIFFERENT BUDGET POINTS. UH, WE ALSO LIKE TO LOOK AT THE BUSINESS PLAN THAT GOES WITH THIS. HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR THIS AND REVIEW THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH COUNCIL. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE COLOR THING. THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS GONNA BRING UP. APPRECIATE THAT. UM, CHANGING GEARS SIM FIVE D UH, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE IMPACT FOR THE HISTORIC, UH, HEART STORE, THE GIFT SHOP THERE, WHAT IT'S GONNA DO TO THEM. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO IMPACT A STARTUP COMPANY ON THAT. UH, THE TRANSIT CENTER, UH, AREA, THAT WHOLE THING REALLY NEEDS A PEDESTRIAN FLOW SET UP TO LOOK AT THE THAT AND HOW THE, HOW WE SHOULD HANDLE PEDESTRIANS. WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SEVERAL A YEAR AGO LAST YEAR, THERE REALLY HADN'T BEEN A PEDESTRIAN STUDY AND HOW PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO FROM THAT POINT INTO UPTOWN AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, FROM A WALKING PERSPECTIVE. SO THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. UM, SIM FOUR F WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LIGHTED UH, TRAFFIC LIGHTS AT THE, UH, ROUNDABOUTS. YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF THESE IN EUROPE. I ENCOUNTERED THEM WHEN I LIVED IN ENGLAND, SO I'M SURE THERE'S SOME MORE [03:10:01] HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE A JUNKET OVER THERE. BUT REALLY LOOK AT HOW THOSE WORK AND HOW THEY'RE ON AND OFF. AND THERE'S A LOT TO BE LEARNED THERE. UM, SIM FIVE A, UH, I'M REAL AND THE OTHER ONE'S AROUND THERE ABOUT THE PORTAL PROJECT AND STUFF. AS A RESIDENT OFF BREWER, THAT'S OUR ONLY WAY IN AND OUT. OKAY. SO PLEASE HAVE SOME CONSIDERATION ON THE RESIDENTS THAT WE DON'T KEEP DUMPING MORE AND MORE TRAFFIC ONTO BREWER WHEN WE, IT'S OUR ONLY WAY IN AND OUT AND, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION, WE APPRECIATE THAT THE ROUNDABOUTS GOING IN THERE, BUT WE JUST DON'T NEED TO KEEP MOVING MORE AND MORE TRAFFIC ONTO THAT ROAD. AND ALSO I'D LIKE TO WRAP UP AND SAY THANKS TO SANDY FOR GREAT JOB OF GETTING THE BREWER ROAD SHARED USE PATHS FUNDING. WELL DONE. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND ALRIGHT, FINAL COMMENT IF THERE ARE ANY, DEREK, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK IF THEY HAD ANY RESPONSE THAT THEY WANTED TO GIVE TO ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC ASKED, NOTED? NO. YEAH, IT'S DULY NOTED. I TOOK NOTES. OKAY. AND SAY THANK YOU FOR THEIR INPUT. OKAY. PETE, ANYTHING? NO, THANK YOU KATHY. NO, I'M GOOD, BRIAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, AMBER, SANDY, KURT, THANK YOU FOR A VERY INFORMATIVE PRESENTATION. A LOT OF GREAT PROGRESS ON, UH, MANY, MANY INITIATIVES. SO THIS WAS EXTREMELY INFORMATIVE. IT TOOK A LOT LONGER THAN I GUESSED, BUT I SHOULD KNOW BETTER BY NOW. UM, BUT REALLY GOOD CONTENT. UM, I I, I JUST WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT MANY OF THE POSITIVES, HAVING SAID THAT, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FACILITY THAT, THAT THE BUSINESS CASE IS NOT GONNA LOOK GOOD. UH, THAT, THAT'S DEFINITELY CONCERNING. AND THE VICE MAYOR MADE A POINT OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HONING IN ON, OKAY, THIS KIND OF COST THAT'S GETTING FLOATED IS ONLY FOR SERVICING SEDONAS NEEDS, WHICH LIMITS OUR ABILITY TO DEFRAY COST IF THAT'S THE CASE. SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT'S JUST A FAIR HEADS UP TO STAFF. LIKE, I'M CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT YOU'LL PUT TOGETHER, UH, A PLAN THAT CAN WORK. BUT YIKES, I'M, I'M JUST CONCERNED RIGHT NOW. SO JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO BE SURPRISED IN NOVEMBER IF IT'S NOT A GOOD STORY. SO, THANK YOU MELISSA. SO I WANNA ADD MY THANKS TO EVERYBODY WHO'S PRESENTED TONIGHT. IT'S A LOT OF WORK. UM, IT'S A LOT OF WORK TO PUT THIS TOGETHER AND PRESENT IT IN A COHERENT FASHION. I THINK LIKE MY COLLEAGUES, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT COSTS. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE SAID ABOUT THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE FACILITY WAS LIKE THE GARAGE, IT HAS TO PAY FOR ITSELF. UM, AND SO IT, TO THE POINT THAT BRIAN MADE IT RIGHT NOW DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S GONNA PAY FOR ITSELF 'CAUSE WE'RE PAYING FOR IT. SO, UM, YEAH, I KNOW YOU'RE COMING BACK AND YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK AND ASK US ABOUT SELF-FUNDING AND I THINK THE VICE MAYOR IS CORRECT. NOT EVERY PRIORITY ONE IS A PRIORITY ONE, AND SO BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS AND THE ORDER IN WHICH WE NEED TO GET THEM DONE, UM, IS I THINK REALLY CRITICAL. IT'S JUST LIKE WITH THE PARKING, WE CAN ONLY DO THEM IN CERTAIN ORDERS AND IF WE DO THEM OUT OF ORDER, THEN WE REALLY ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT CAME BEFORE IT. SO, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT WE THINK THE ORDER NEEDS TO BE IN ORDER FOR US TO GET THIS DONE EFFICIENTLY AND THEN WHAT THE COSTS ARE AS WE START TO BUILD THESE OUT AND WHETHER THERE'S ANY EFFICIENCIES, COST EFFICIENCIES FOR DOING SOME OF THEM SIMULTANEOUSLY. SO THANK YOU. THANKS MAYOR. I THINK CONGRATULATIONS ARE AN ORDER BECAUSE THIS WAS THIS COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT, AT, UH, SIM TOOK LESS TIME TONIGHT THAN THE LAST TIME WE HAD A WORK SESSION. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR BREVITY, , YOU TRY AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT PUBLIC WORKS IS DOING AS WELL AS YOUR COLLEAGUES IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE CITY BECAUSE IT'S A LOT, IT IS A LOT ON YOUR PLATE. THANK YOU. GREAT JOB AS USUAL. UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP TODAY ABOUT THE COSTS ARE REAL, WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT THAT. SO, UH, I APPRECIATE IN NOVEMBER WE START GETTING BETTER NUMBERS. SO, UH, [8.b. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items.] WE'RE GONNA GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, UH, ITEM B, UH, 30 66, DISCUSSION [03:15:01] POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AND AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANYTHING PETE? YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE DONE A LOT OF REFLECTING BACK TO THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD AND I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE, UH, BECAUSE THIS COUNCIL TOOK SOME UNPRECEDENTED ACTION AGAINST ONE OF ITS MEMBERS AND, AND I BELIEVE WE WERE ALL FRUSTRATED AT THE TIME THAT THERE WEREN'T ANY SPECIFIC OR CONCRETE TOOLS TO APPLY DISCIPLINARY MEASURES, YOU KNOW, WHEN A MEMBER VIOLATES OUR RULES, PROCEDURES, AND NORMS. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S SUPPORT TO, UH, AGENDA A COUNCIL DISCUSSION OF OUR RULES AND MUNI CODE SECTIONS, PERHAPS CERTAINLY TO EXPLORE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY CAN BE MI MODIFIED WITHOUT VIOLATING THE STATE LAW TO INCLUDE SPECIFIC ACTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY TAKE AFTER ONE OF ITS MEMBERS HAS BEEN CENSURED. FOR INSTANCE, SOME OF THE MOD WITH SOME MODIFICATION TO OUR RULES, I BELIEVE WE CAN IMPLEMENT THE ACTIONS LIKE LIMITING A CENSURE MEMBERS' LIAISON ROLES OR ACCESS AND USE OF THE MAYOR COUNCIL CONFERENCE ROOM, UM, OR CELL PHONE TRAVEL EXPENSES OR EVEN COUNCIL PAY AMOUNTS. DISCIPLINE MEASURES MAY BE IMPLEMENTED BY COUNCIL UPON A PUBLIC VOTE AND THEY SHOULD ALSO BE RESCINDED BY A PUBLIC VOTE. AND DISCIPLINE MEASURES SHOULD ALSO AUTOMATICALLY BE RESCINDED IF A C MEMBER IS REELECTED. SO I THINK THERE ARE TOOLS THAT WE CAN PUT INTO OUR RULES, UH, THAT WOULD HELP US, UH, GOD FORBID IF, IF WE EVER FIND OURSELVES FACING THIS SIMILAR SITUATION AGAIN. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEING PLANFUL IS A USEFUL MEASURE. UH, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S COUNCIL SUPPORT FOR THAT, UH, COUNCIL DISCUSSION. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S EVER ANY HARM IN HAVING A DISCUSSION. UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED SOME INPUT FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY IN THIS CONVERSATION. KATHY, I DON'T, I THINK WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT I THINK WE NEED A FULL LOOK AT OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, NOT JUST IN TERMS OF THE SPECIFIC COUNCILOR FURMAN LAID OUT, BUT I THINK, AND I DID BRING THIS UP TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AS WELL. UM, I THINK WE NEED A FULL LOOK. I DON'T, I, FOR ME, I DON'T WANNA PIECEMEAL IT OUT. UM, I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOMETIMES THAT WE LOOK AT A SECTION OF SOMETHING AND THEN WE DON'T MAYBE FULLY LOOK AT THE IMPLICATIONS IN ANOTHER SECTION TO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE RELATED, BUT LATER COMES ACROSS THAT IT MIGHT BE. UM, SO I WOULD, I AM MORE IN FAVOR OF A WORK SESSION OR A, SOMETHING DEDICATED TO THIS LINE BY LINE, YOU KNOW, ZERO BUDGETING APPROACH. LOOK AT THE RULES OF PROCEDURE. SO IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T SUPPORT WHAT, UH, COUNCIL FIRM IS ASKING FOR. I'M ASKING FOR IT TO GO TO BE COMPREHENSIVE AND FULL AND GO BEYOND THAT. BRIAN, I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR SUPPORT FOR SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, COULD BE CONSIDERED PIECEMEAL, BUT ALSO AS PART OF RULES AND PROCEDURES. AND THAT IS ENSURING GREATER TRANSPARENCY OF COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS AND ENSURING IT'S MORE OF A PREVENTION THING, I GUESS I WOULD SAY TO ENSURE, UM, GREATER TRANSPARENCY AND ALSO TO TRY TO ELIMINATE ANY UNILATERAL DECISION MAKING, UM, AS A BYPRODUCT OF COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS. SO TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILLOR KINSELLA, I'M FINE WITH IT BEING A BROADER, UH, DISCUSSION. THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT, WHAT I MEAN, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE LOOK AT ONE PART, BUT WE DON'T LOOK AT THAT WHICH FACTORS IN AS WELL. SO IT, IT'S JUST THAT SOME OF WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT NOW MAY NOT EVEN BE IN THE RULES AND PROCEDURES. I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S A LINE ITEM TO, OH, SO I START ZERO, ZERO BASED BUDGETING. SO MAYOR COUNCIL, WE'VE GOT TO AVOID DISCUSSION ON THIS SINCE IT'S NOT AGENDA. WE'VE GOT TWO FOR A BROADER VIEW. THREE FOR THE NARROWER COUNCILOR FURMAN APPROACH. WE HAVE A THIRD FOR THE BROADER ONE. I SUPPORT THE BROADER APPROACH. SORRY, I SUPPORT YOUR APPROACH. THANK YOU. DOES THAT AFFECT THE TIMELINE IN YOUR OPINION? UM, I THINK EITHER ONE WOULD NEED A WORK SESSION AND SO WE'LL PUT IT ON THE NEXT AVAILABLE WORK SESSION. OKAY. ANY OTHER? I SUPPORT LOOKING AT OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE LINE BY LINE. I REALLY, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO DO IT. SO HOWEVER IT WORKS, WE DO A WHOLE WORK SESSION ON A WEDNESDAY. OKAY. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE IS NO WORK SESSION TOMORROW, SO THIS [10. ADJOURNMENT] MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.