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[Historic Preservation Commission on October 13, 2025.]
MEDICINE.UM, LET'S CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
IT IS, UH, 4 0 9 AND, UH, LET'S RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALL RIGHT, DONNA, CALL THE ROLL.
AND VICE CHAIR SEGMENTER IS UNEXCUSED
ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS OR EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF? UM, I JUST HAVE ONE.
UM, FIRST, THE, A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO, THE COMMISSION APPROVED A LETTER TO BE SENT REGARDING THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE AT THE RIGBY PROPERTY.
THAT PROJECT WENT TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION A MONTH OR SO AGO.
UM, IT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL.
AND IT WILL MOVE TO CITY COUNCIL, I BELIEVE IN DECEMBER.
UM, DECEMBER 9TH, I THINK IS THE DAY THAT WE HAVE IT SCHEDULED FOR CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AND THEN I BELIEVE ACTING RAFINI IS, IS YOUR TERM UP THIS YEAR? WAS IT? YES, I DID REAPPLY.
SO THAT WAS, IF YOU WEREN'T GONNA REAPPLY, THEN WE NEED TO GET APPLICANTS, BUT WE CAN STILL TAKE APPLICANTS.
YOU'RE NOT GUARANTEED TO GET ABSOLUTELY REAPPOINTED, BUT JUST WANTED TO ABSOLUTELY MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS ON THE RECORD.
OH, LOOKS LIKE HE'S, OH, STEVE MYS.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON? ALRIGHT.
UM, THE APPROVAL OF THE, OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR AUGUST 11TH MEETING, UH, OR ANY CHANGES TO BE MADE.
UH, CALL THE QUESTION FOR APPROVAL.
I MOVE THAT RE APPROVEMENT FROM AND THE SECOND.
UH, THE MIN THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED FOR THE AUGUST 11TH MEETING AND NOW IT'S TIME FOR THE PUBLIC FORUM.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA, THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO A RS 38 DASH 4 31 0.01 H, ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO ANY CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING FOR THE MATTER FOR, UH, FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND A DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
DONNA, DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS? NO, SIR.
SO LET'S CONTINUE REGULAR BUSINESS, A UPDATE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE DIRECTION ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH ACTIVITIES BEING PLANNED BY THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM.
AT THIS TIME, I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING MAJOR THAT I HAVE HEARD BEING TALKED ABOUT AT THE MUSEUM, IF ANYBODY'S HEARD ANYTHING DIFFERENT, CORRECT? I HAVE THAT CORRECT.
UM, THE CHAIR MEYERS DID ASK ME TO, HE ASKED FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA
UM, HE DID SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, IT'S NOT TILL MAY, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH IS IN MAY.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THE COMMISSION WILL BE INVITED AND WE'LL MAKE SURE WE'LL DO OUR, UH, PUBLIC NOTICES AND ALL THAT SO YOU ALL CAN ATTEND.
UM, BUT HE DID SAY THAT IF THERE WAS ONE MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION THAT WANTED TO VOLUNTEER TO HELP WITH ANY OF THE PLANNING EVENTS, UM, HE'S VERY COGNIZANT OF CREATING QUORUMS AND ALL THAT.
BUT HE SAID THAT IF THERE WAS ONE PERSON WHO WANTED TO, UM, HE WOULD START INVOLVING THAT PERSON IN
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MEETINGS.AS PART OF YOUR PACKET FOR THIS MEETING, UM, THERE IS A NOTATION RELATIVE TO ITEM FIVE A AND, UH, WE'VE PRETTY MUCH COVERED ALL OF THAT.
IF A COMMISSIONER IS INTERESTED IN HELPING PLAN ACTIVITIES, THEY COULD VOLUNTEER TO HELP TO ENSURE THAT A QUORUM IS NOT CREATED.
THIS WILL BE LIMITED TO ONE COMMISSIONER.
WELL, I NORMALLY VOLUNTARILY HELP, BUT I'M ALSO ACTIVE IN THE HISTORICAL MUSEUM.
AND I THINK MIGHT BE CONFLICT OF INTEREST, I DON'T KNOW.
IF I CAN BE ALSO ACTIVE WITH THE MUSEUM
'CAUSE I, BECAUSE AT THIS TIME I TALKED BRIEFLY WITH NATE AND THERE WAS NOTHING PLANNED AT THIS TIME.
UM, AND I THINK THERE WILL BE.
UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO FIVE B AND UH, AGAIN, IN YOUR PACKET, UH, THERE IS A COMMENT ON ITEM FIVE B.
IT SAYS, CHAIR MEYERS IS IN THE PROCESS OF APPLYING FOR A GRANT FROM THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE THAT WOULD HELP FUND THE UPDATE OF THE CITY'S HISTORIC SURVEY.
THIS IS PRIMARILY AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM.
IF THE GRANT IS AWARDED, THE COMMISSION WILL BE INVOLVED FURTHER ONCE THE UPDATE STARTS.
UM, SO, UM, CHAIR MEYERS DID SEND ME THE GRANT APPLICATION OVER THE WEEKEND.
UM, AND SO I'M IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING THROUGH IT AND MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THE INFORMATION IS UPDATED.
I FOUND OUT THAT IT IS DUE AT THE END OF THE WEEK.
SO WE WILL, IT WAS ADDED TO MY LIST OF THINGS TO DO THIS WEEK.
UM, IT IS A MATCHING GRANT, SO THE CITY ALREADY HAS MONEY SET ASIDE IN THE BUDGET TO DO AN UPDATE.
UM, THIS WOULD BE A MATCHING GRANT THAT WOULD PROBABLY ALLOW US TO GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER THAN WE WERE ORIGINALLY PLANNING WITH THE BUDGET LINE ITEM.
BUT WE WILL JUST KEEP YOU GUYS UPDATED AND IF WE GET THAT, AND IF NOT, WE STILL HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO DO ON UPDATE.
I, UH, I'M THINKING THAT STATE GRANTS ARE LIMITED TO $10,000.
IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
SO THE CITY HAS $20,000 BUDGETED.
UM, AND HE'S APPLYING THE APPLICATION IS FOR A, A MATCH.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? NO.
HEARING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO FIVE C.
THAT, UM, IS REGARDING THE POSSIBILITY OF LANDMARKING.
UH, ONE IS THE UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST, CHURCH OF THE RED ROCKS.
NATE AND I WILL BE MEETING, OR MAYBE YOU CAN'T HEAR, WE'LL BE MEETING WITH THE, UH, CHURCH COUNCIL ON THE 29TH OF OCTOBER TO, UM, THEY WILL HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED THE SURVEY THAT BOBBY AND I DID, AND THEY WILL HAVE OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IT INVOLVES AND THEN WE'LL FIND OUT LATER ON AFTER THEY TALK ABOUT IT.
WE ONLY GIVE THEM LIKE 10 MINUTES TO TALK TO THEM, SO AT LEAST THEY KNOW.
AND I KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT ARE QUITE IN FAVOR OF LANDMARKING AND IT IS THE CHURCH OF THE RED ROCK 65TH ANNIVERSARY THIS MONTH, SO I'M HOPING THEY'RE GONNA GO.
NOW ANOTHER ONE IS THE STAR MOTEL, THE NORTHERN STAR MOTEL IN UPTOWN SEDONA.
I TALKED TO BLAIR MORTON, WHO IS ONE OF THE OWNERS, SHE AND HER HUSBAND AND SOME SILENT PARTNERS.
I THINK IF IT WAS UP TO HER ALONE, WE'D BE LANDMARKING.
SHE SAYS, I HAVE TO GET WITH OTHER, THE OTHER PEOPLE.
I DID GIVE HER A COPY OF THE SURVEY AND, UH, EXPLAINED WHAT IT ENTAILS AND WHAT LANDMARKING WOULD BE AND, UH, HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE AND SO FORTH TO GET THE STATUS.
AND SO, UH, SHE'S VERY POSITIVE AND I, I HAVE HOPES, UH, THAT'S SOME
BUT ANYWAY, I THINK IT'S A GOOD POSSIBILITY.
UH, NATE, NICK'S, UH, RESTAURANT? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
THAT WAS QUITE A CONVERSATION.
IT WASN'T A CONVERSATION, IT WAS A THROW IT AWAY.
NO, DON'T EVEN TALK TO US AGAIN.
SO I THANKED HER VERY MUCH AND HUNG UP
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WAS THE DREXLERS.WE CANNOT GO ANYWHERE WITH THAT.
BUT YOU HAVE THE SURVEY FOR THAT ONE DONE? I HAVE, YES.
IT'S BEEN DONE, THANK GOODNESS,
SO THAT ONE WE WILL HAVE DOCUMENTATION, BUT THAT'S GOT, I THINK THAT'S ALL WE'LL EVER GET, SO.
AND, UH, THERE ARE, UH, FOR THOSE, I'M CONCENTRATING ON THOSE PARTICULAR ONES RIGHT NOW AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO REPORT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
ON THE PROP ONE PROPERTY, THAT WAS MY DAD'S PROPERTY.
TO ALBRIGHT'S BACK IN TOWN FROM EUROPE.
AND SO I HAD A, A CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND IT WASN'T SUPER POSITIVE.
STILL, HE HAS STILL A LOT OF QUESTIONS WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE RESTRICT HIM ON MAKING IMPROVEMENTS WITH HIS PROPERTY.
I WILL TELL YOU THOUGH, THAT I CLARIFIED THAT WE COULD DO A SURVEY AND THAT NO COMMITMENT ON YOUR PART AND WE CAN GET THAT DONE, WHICH WOULD BE NICE.
SO AT SOME POINT WE COULD SET THAT UP.
UH, HE IS PLANNING TO DO A, A REMODEL AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE TYPICAL THINGS OF DAD'S HOUSES WHERE THEY HAVE THE TRELLIS WORK, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
IT'S A LOT OF, UH, LITTLE, UH, BEAMS MM-HMM
THAT CREATE A KIND OF SHADE PATTERN MM-HMM
AND THOSE, THOSE TEND TO GO BAD AND, UH, START WARPING AND YOU, YOU END UP HAVING TO REPLACE 'EM QUITE A BIT.
AND SO THEY'RE IN WOOD AND HE IS ALREADY PLANNING TO REPLACE THAT AS IS.
UH, SO THAT THAT WON'T CHANGE THE BUILDING, UH, IN A NEGATIVE WAY.
HE MIGHT ALSO CONSIDERING CAPPING ANOTHER LITTLE ISSUE WITH BUILDINGS.
THEY HAVE THE BEAMS THAT EXTEND BEYOND THE FASCIA AND THOSE TEND TO, UH, GET DRY ROT.
SO HE MIGHT CAP THOSE AND HE, UH, I THINK IN SOME WAYS IT'S MIGHT BE A GOOD THING FOR HIM TO DO IT BEFORE WE, UH, REGISTER HIS BUILDING BECAUSE THEN HE HAS TO GO THROUGH THAT EXTRA PROCESS, YOU KNOW, OF COMING THROUGH US BEFORE HE DOES ANYTHING.
BUT I, I, I JUST TOLD HIM AND MY FEELING IS THAT THE COMMISSION WE HAVE AT THIS POINT WOULD BE RECEPTIVE OBVIOUSLY TO, UH, REPLACE LIKE WITH LIKE MM-HMM
ON THE TRELLIS, BUT THE BEAM CAP, I HAVEN'T REALLY, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT BEFORE.
PRETTY COMMON TO, TO TRY TO SAVE OLD BEAM STRUCTURES, PUT CAPS ON 'EM.
SO I, I'M GUESSING THAT WE'LL PROBABLY BE FINE WITH THAT.
HOW, HOW LONG IS THE, IS THE RAFTER TAIL? THE RAFTER TAIL IS ABOUT A FOOT.
AND IT, THOSE BUILDINGS, 'CAUSE THEY'RE ONE WAY SLOPING ROOFS AS OPPOSED TO TWO-WAY UHHUH.
WHEN THE WATER HITS THE TWO-WAY ROOF, IT DROPS OFF THE EDGE AND DOESN'T, UH, GET BACK IN UNDER THE FASCIA.
YOU GET A ONE-WAY ROOF, THE WATER WANTS TO COME DOWN AND RUN BACK INTO THE BUILDING AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GET YOUR MORE OF YOUR PROBLEMS. MM-HMM
THE ROUND LOGS, UH, ARE ALWAYS AN ISSUE COMING OUT OF THE BUILDING.
'CAUSE IT'S USUALLY ON A, IT'S NOT PROTECTED.
IT'S USUALLY ON A FACE OF A STUCCO WALL AND THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE A LOT OF, UH, ROTTING.
SO HE'S GOT A, UH, HE'S GOT A TOUGH SITUATION OUT THERE, SO THERE ARE NO DRIP ENDS THEN ON THE END OF THE SHED ROOF THERE.
A LITTLE, UH, A LITTLE, UH, SHAPE MM-HMM
THAT THE WATER WANTS TO KICK OFF A LITTLE BIT FURTHER FROM THE BUILDING.
BUT EVEN WITH THAT, UM, THOSE, THOSE FLAT ROOFS, FAIRLY FLAT ROOFS, LIKE TWO AND 12 PITCH ONE IN 12 PITCH UHHUH HAVE USUALLY HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH STANDING WATER ON THE BEAMS UHHUH.
SO, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A FOR SURE NO GO.
IF YOU AND I GO OUT THERE AND SURVEY IT, I THINK WE CAN DO A SURVEY NO PROBLEM.
THAT, LET'S TRY AND SET THAT UP SOMETIME FAIRLY SOON THEN BEFORE THE WEATHER GETS REALLY, REALLY, I MEAN IS THIS SUPPOSED TO ALL GO AWAY? MAYBE? YEAH.
WE'LL AT LEAST GET THE UH, SURVEY DONE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS WE SHOULD DISCUSS IN REGULAR BUSINESS? ALRIGHT, UM, 0.6 IS FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. AND THIS WOULD BE THE TIME WE SHOULD SET THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
SO WHAT DO WE HAVE? WELL, WHAT WE WILL WANT TO FOR SURE REPORT ON IS MY FOLLOW UPS ON THE STAR MOTEL AND CHURCH OF THE RED ROCKS.
WILL DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE A FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
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ALSO BOBBY AND I, HOPEFULLY BY THAT TIME WE'LL HAVE GONE OUT AND DONE A SURVEY OF HIS, OF THIS FELLOW'S HOME.WHAT HIS NAME, WHAT'S HIS NAME TO ALBRIGHT.
ALBRIGHT DOESN'T, UH, C KIND OF ALMOST GIVES US A CONTINUING OPPORTUNITY.
SO SEE THIS CONTINUE, SEE THIS, THE DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING ONGOING UPDATES TO THE HISTORIC SURVEYS AND POTENTIAL LANDMARKS WILL ALWAYS BE ON THE AGENDA.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IT
FOR ME THAT'S THE BIGGIE IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I REALLY CONCENTRATING ON IS I WANT A LANDMARK
SO HOW ABOUT B IS THAT MM-HMM.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU JUST REPORT AT THAT TIME? UM, OR DO YOU TO BE ON THERE? WE'LL PROBABLY WOULDN'T COME BACK.
UM, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HEAR ABOUT THE GRANT, UM, BEFORE IN THE NEXT MONTH.
BUT IF WE HEAR ABOUT GETTING IT OR NOT GETTING IT, WE WOULD AGENDA IS THAT FOR A DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE? UM, AND I CAN ALSO CHECK WITH NATE AND SEE IF HE HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THE AGENDA BEFORE WE FINALIZE IT.
IF, IF THOSE ARE THE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE COUP YOU MENTIONED YOU HAVE A COUPLE MEETINGS COMING UP, I'LL PROBABLY MAYBE CONTACT KAREN, UM, OR MAYBE EVEN NATE IF HE'S AWARE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS AN UPDATE ON THOSE.
SO LIKE IF YOU GO AND TALK TO THEM AND THEY SAY STILL NEED ANOTHER LOT OF GOOD ENERGIES OUT THERE,
I, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT GETTING ON THE CITY'S SITE, THE WEBSITE.
UM, I UM, I CAN ALMOST GET THERE, BUT I CAN'T QUITE GET THERE.
AND I WONDER, UH, IF WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET SOME ADVICE AT OUR NEXT MEETING FROM, UH, WHOEVER'S IN CHARGE.
NOW ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE ACCESSING YOUR, YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS OR GETTING INFORMATION ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE? UM, MOSTLY IT IS, UM, JUST GETTING ON AND AND ACCESSING EMAIL AND OTHER MESSAGES BECAUSE EVERY NOW AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GET EVERYTHING MM-HMM
SO, UM, IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT SITE.
THAT'S WHY I'M GLAD YOU BRING, 'CAUSE I ALREADY EXPRESSED THAT TO CARRIE, BUT I GOT NOTHING.
WELL IF EVERYBODY'S HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM, WE CAN MAYBE SEE IF IT CAN COME.
OTHERWISE WE CAN JUST, UM, REACH OUT TO IT FOR YOU EACH INDIVIDUALLY.
WELL IT, IT'S KIND OF PAINFUL TO WHEN IT ASKS FOR AUTHENTICATION OF THE AUTHENTICATION
I LIKE, YOU KNOW, FIND OUT WHAT THE HECK.
ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS THAT ANYONE CAN THINK OF? AND JUST TO POINT THIS OUT SO YOU'RE AWARE, NOVEMBER 10TH IS NOVEMBER 11TH IS VETERAN'S DAY.
AND SO IF THERE'S, IF YOU WERE GOING TO BE GOING OUT OF TOWN OR IF YOU HAD OTHER LIKE, JUST LET ME KNOW YOUR SCHEDULE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM AS WE'RE SCHEDULING MEETINGS.
HEY, WE'LL BE THERE BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW OTHERWISE I'M GONNA HAVE TO TRACK YOU DOWN TO YOU.
WE'RE GONNA BE THERE AND NOT BE THERE.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON IN THE AGENDA, UM, THIS IS A VERY SHORT MEETING,
AND I'M THINKING WE DID MEET LAST MONTH AND I'M, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT ARE WE MISSING? WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT? WELL, I KEEP CRANKING ALONG BOBBY
AND I'M TRYING TO SET THE AGENDA, SO, OH, THERE YOU GO.
AND MINE WAS NOT, YOU'RE RIGHT.
BUT, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THINGS THAT YOU THINK YOU MIGHT WANNA ADD TO THE AGENDA, LET ME KNOW.
UM, AND, AND YEAH, I'LL TALK TO NATE AS WELL AND SEE IF HE HAS ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS
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AT THE NEXT MEETING.UM, 0.7 IS THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, UM, WHICH I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION,
AND, UH, AT THIS POINT I GUESS WE'LL ROUND IT AND CALL IT FOUR 30.
CAN YOU SAY THE WORD ADJOURN? WE'RE, WE ARE ADJOURNED.