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          [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE]
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GOOD AFTERNOON, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF SEDONA COUNCIL MEETING. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO OFFICIALLY CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 3:00 PM I'M GONNA ASK EVERYONE TO STAND AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY OF FOR ALL LIBERTY. 
          AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM. 
          DEPUTY CLERK, DO YOU WANNA CALL THE ROLE MAYOR PLU? HERE, VICE MAYOR FOLTZ. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILOR DUNN. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCILLOR FURMAN. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILLOR KINSELLA. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCILLOR FAFF. 
          PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [3.a. AB 3232 Presentation/discussion regarding the City of Sedona and Arizona Water Company's collaborative work on a local Water Resource Assessment and Integrated Water Demand Management Program.]
AB 32 32. 
          PRESENTATION DISCUSSION REGARDING THE CITY OF SEDONA IN ARIZONA WATER COMPANY. 
          NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN, JOHN. 
          UH, COLLABORATIVE WORK ON A LOCAL WATER RESOURCE ASSESSMENT AND INTEGRATED WATER DEMAND MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR AND VICE. 
          MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          ARE WE HAVING FUN YET, ? WE ARE NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS, THIS IS OUR, UH, ANNUAL UPDATE. 
          UM, THERE, THERE IS SOME NEW STUFF, NEW MATERIAL. 
          UM, AND YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL SEE THAT COMING, UH, HERE PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          UM, AND ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK, WE'LL, IF WE WAIT TILL AFTER EACH SECTION, PROBABLY FOR FOR QUICK QUESTIONS, THEN WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS AT THE END. 
          AND TWO, 'CAUSE I, I RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES ON THE, ON THE, UH, AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING, SO THAT'S FINE. 
          UM, WAY OF INTRODUCTIONS, YOU KNOW, WHO I AM, UM, WITH ME TONIGHT. 
          UH, WE HAVE, UH, TODAY WE HAVE RYAN CAVALIER. 
          HE'S OUR ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE MANAGER. 
          HE COMES OUT OUR PHOENIX OFFICE. 
          UH, HE, HE REPLACED, UH, DAVE DUNHAM DUNHAM, UH, WHO WENT, WHO WENT TO TAKE A MANAGER'S POSITION IN OUR CASA GRANDE, UH, DIVISION. 
          UM, JORDAN CHRISTENSEN IS OUR COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND COMMUNICATION COORDINATOR, AND HE'LL BE, UM, COVERING OUR, UH, A WC ALERTS, WHICH IS SOMETHING NEW, UM, THAT WE'RE PRETTY PROUD OF RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, TERRY C ROSSI, VICE PRESIDENT OF WATER RESOURCES, ALEX FAB WATER RESOURCES ANALYST, UH, RE LUKA OPTED OUT FOR SOME OTHER TRAINING TO, SO SHE COULD MAKE IT ON THE TOUR NEXT MONTH. 
          AND AL ALEX WILL PROBABLY BE THERE ALSO. 
          AND NATHAN MILLER WILL GIVE HIS UPDATE FROM MATRIX NEW WORLD ON THE ON THE WATER MODEL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WHERE ARE WE AT HERE? I DUNNO. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU A FEW UPDATES ON THE, ON THE ONE SLIDE THAT I HAVE. 
          UM, STARTING WITH, OF COURSE, THE EAST SEDONA TANK. 
          I THINK YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF THE NEW WATER TANK BY NOW. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA BE VISITING THAT SITE DURING THE TOUR NEXT MONTH ON THE 19TH. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF YOU, UM, ONLY SOME OF YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE IT, SOME OF YOU MAY NOT. 
          UM, JUST AS AN OPERATIONAL UPDATE, THE SITE'S WORKING JUST AS IT WAS DESIGNED. 
          UM, WE HAD SOME SURPRISES IN THE BEGINNING WITH VISUALIZE, VISUALIZE A BRAND NEW CORVETTE THAT YOU KNOW, IS GONNA GO 200 MILES AN HOUR, BUT YOU'RE AFRAID TO GO THAT FAST AND YOU'RE NOT SURE IF IT WILL OR WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          AND, UH, THE OPERATORS WERE A LITTLE BIT INTIMIDATED BY IT. 
          AND WE HAD SOME TESTING WE HAD TO DO TO FLOW SOME FIRE HYDRANTS, BUT WE, OUR, OUR, OUR SYSTEM HADN'T SEEN THAT VOLUME OF WATER EVER. 
          AND, UM, SO EARLY ON, IT WENT INTO OPERATION IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR. 
          UM, AND WE WERE DUE TO DO SOME TESTING AND WE WERE SCHEDULING IT, AND WE WERE TRYING TO GET IT COORDINATED, AND WE HAD SOME ALARMS THAT WENT OFF AND CALLED US ONE MORNING AT THE OFFICE. 
          AND, AND THESE ALARMS INDICATED THAT THERE WERE TWO PUMPS RUNNING AT THE SITE. 
          WELL, TWO PUMPS AT THAT SITE ARE GOING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THREE, TWO OR 3000 GALLONS A MINUTE, POTENTIALLY. 
          UM, SO WE RACE OUT THERE AND THE PUMPS ARE BACK OFF, AND WE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED. 
          WHAT WE DID IS WE MADE A START CHECKING AROUND, AND ONE OF OUR OPERATORS 
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DOING HIS JOB HAD BEEN OUT IN, BACK BEYOND THE FURTHEST, THE FUR FURTHEST END OF THE WATER SYSTEM AT BACK OF BEYOND RANCH. 
          AND HE WAS FLOWING FIRE HYDRANTS OUT THERE, AND HE TURNED ON THE FIRE HYDRANT AND PER DESIGN, THE, THE SITE RESPONDED. 
          SO WE WERE, UM, WE WERE PLEASED TO HEAR THAT. 
          AND, UM, YEAH, I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT. 
          AND ANOTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL COVER WHEN, UM, WE'RE ALL TOGETHER AGAIN, OUT FOR THE TOURS THAT SOME OF THE CALLS THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING ABOUT THAT SITE AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT SITE AND PEOPLE CURIOUS ABOUT IT, UM, WE'RE CALLING IT A FAKE HOUSE UP ON, ON TOP OF THE TANK. 
          AND I JUST, UH, I DIDN'T KNOW ALL OF YOU WERE PROBABLY AWARE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THERE ARE THINGS IN THAT HOUSE, AND THE HOUSE ISN'T EMPTY IF YOU, IF YOU'RE TALKING TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS OR PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW IN TOWN, LET 'EM KNOW THAT IT'S FULL OF PUMPS AND PIPES AND, AND, AND TANKS AND ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, AND IT IS COMPLETELY FUNCTIONAL. 
          IT'S NOT JUST THERE FOR LOOKS. 
          SO, JOHN, WHAT IS THE, I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF SLIDES HERE AND WE HAVE TWO OTHER PRESENTATIONS AFTER YOURS, RIGHT? SO YOU KEEP IT TO AN HOUR. 
          YES. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT SPEAKER. 
          NO , I'M KIDDING. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THE NAVAJO TRAIL'S MAIN REPLACEMENT EBOLA HILLS. 
          UM, AND LAST YEAR OR SO, WE, UM, UM, TWO OR THREE, WE'VE BEEN GOING ROUND AND ROUND WITH THE FOLKS IN UPTOWN ABOUT THE FIRE FLOW THAT PROJECT'S COMPLETED. 
          IT'S WITH A DEQ RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE GOING TO, UH, BE TYING THAT INTO THE WATER SYSTEM HERE SHORTLY. 
          UM, BUT THAT WILL BE BOOSTER STATION, WHICH IS ALSO RELATED TO THAT AREA OF TOWN TO SUPPLEMENT THE FLOW OUT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IS ON THE TAIL END OF THIS PROJECT. 
          AND THEY ARE IN THE MIDDLE RIGHT NOW OF DOING THE, UH, DESIGN FOR THE A PS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE IMPROVED TO RUN THAT LITTLE BOOSTER STATION. 
          UH, THE GENERATOR STUDY, WHICH IS ALSO DERIVATIVE OF THAT, UH, OUR NORTHERN GROUP, UH, WHICH YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE RATE CASE, ALL OF THE NORTHERN PART OF ARIZONA, OVER GUARD, PINETOP, LAKESIDE. 
          UH, WE DID A PRIORITIZED, UM, STUDY ON PLACEMENT OF GENERATORS, WHETHER THEY BE PERMANENTLY MOUNTED OR TRAILER MOUNTED. 
          THAT STUDY'S COMPLETE. 
          UH, I SAW THE SIGNED COPY FROM THE CONSULTANT, UH, LAST WEEK. 
          AND SO WE'RE GONNA BE DOING NEXT STEPS THERE TO FIND OUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA FIRST START TRYING TO FIT, FIT, EMERGENCY, EMERGENCY GENERATORS, UH, RELICS, THE OPERATIONS CENTER, THE CONSULTANT JUST TURNED OVER THE, SOME DESIGN PARAMETERS FOR US TO LOOK AT WHAT KIND OF, HOW INTENSE THE REMODEL WILL BE FOR THAT BUILDING WHEN WE GET READY TO START ON THAT. 
          SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, OF COURSE, ARE ON THE TAIL END OF THE TANK PROJECT, SO THEY'LL BE COMING UP PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          AND THEN THE SYSTEM TWO ARE ON THE 19TH, UH, AND WE CAN, UM, TALK ABOUT THAT ONE. 
          MAYOR, JOHN, ANY UPDATE ON THIS PROPERTY NEXT TO CITY HALL HERE? YOUR, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT. 
          UH, WE PUT, WE PUT A A, WE, WE HAVE THE DESIGN AND WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS AGAIN. 
          AND CARRIE COULD PROBABLY ANSWER THAT OF WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'RE, UM, WE KNOW WHAT WE WANNA PUT THERE IS JUST GETTING IT, GETTING IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOTTA HAPPEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, NEXT IS RYAN CAVALIER. 
          HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          MY NAME'S RYAN CAVALIER, THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE MANAGER, UH, FOR ARIZONA WATER COMPANY. 
          I'M GONNA GIVE SOME UPDATES ON PFAS. 
          UM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, UH, THERE'S PROBABLY A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE TOPIC HERE, SO I CAN, I CAN GO THROUGH QUICKLY, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN. 
          SO QUICK BACKGROUND. 
          UM, PFAS ARE A FAMILY OF, UH, CHEMICALS, UH, OFTEN CALLED FOREVER CHEMICALS BECAUSE THEY END UP IN THE ENVIRONMENT AND THEY END UP THERE PERMANENTLY. 
          UH, YOU PROBABLY HEAR A LOT ABOUT IT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE'RE AT AN INTERSECTION OF, UH, WHERE TECHNOLOGY AND SCIENCE AND TOXICOLOGY ARE ALL MEETING UP, UM, ALONG WITH THE REGULATION. 
          SO AS, AS WE LEARN MORE ABOUT THE CHEMICALS AS THEY BECOME, UH, THE ABILITY TO, UH, UNDERSTAND THEM A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND HOW THEY INTERACT IN THE ENVIRONMENT AND WITH, UH, HUMAN HEALTH, UH, THE REGULATIONS ARE CATCHING UP WITH THAT. 
          UM, SO WHAT THEY ARE IS A, A FAMILY OF CHEMICALS, UH, USED IN INDUSTRIAL SETTINGS, BUT ALSO IN CONSUMER PRODUCTS. 
          UM, WE FIND THAT IT HAS MADE ITS WAY INTO THE ENVIRONMENT THROUGH, UH, WASTE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHETHER THROUGH LANDFILLS OR, UH, WASTEWATER OR INDUSTRIAL, UH, UH, DISCHARGES. 
          UH, AND THEN OFTEN IN FIRE FOR FIGHTING FOAMS. UH, IN FACT, UH, THE CHEMICALS ARE STILL USED IN CERTAIN APPLICATIONS AT AIRPORTS IN FIREFIGHTING FOAMS. UM, AND THAT THAT IS A DIRECT, UH, INTRODUCTION INTO THE, UM, ENVIRONMENT. 
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AND THEN WE'RE LEARNING MORE ABOUT ITS IMPACTS ON HUMANS, THE, THE CANCERS, LIVERS, KIDNEY DISEASES, UH, AND IMMUNE UH, CONCERNS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, SO HOW IS DRINKING WATER IMPACTED? UM, OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE, ARE, ARE VERY MOBILE CHEMICALS. 
          THEY ENTER THE ENVIRONMENT VERY EASILY, AND THEY ENTER THE WATER, UH, WATER TABLE VERY EASILY SO THEY CAN QUICKLY CONTAMINATE WATER SOURCES, UH, OFTEN IN VERY LOW CONCENTRATION. 
          SO THIS IS KIND OF A, A, A GRAPHIC, UM, UH, REPRESENTATION OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CONCENTRATIONS. 
          UH, WE WE'RE PFAS ARE REFERRED TO IN PARTS PER TRILLION. 
          SO I'M GONNA GET INTO THE MAXIMUM CONTAMINANT LEVELS HERE THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED. 
          THOSE ARE IN PARTS PER TRILLION, WHICH IS REPRESENTED BY A DROP IN, UH, ABOUT 20, UH, OLYMPIC SIZED SWIMMING POOLS. 
          SO VERY SMALL QUANTITIES CAN GET IN THE ENVIRONMENT AND, UH, HAVE IMPACTS ON, ON HUMAN HEALTH. 
          UM, LUCKILY WE'RE PROBABLY SEEING AS MUCH PFAS IN THE ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW AS WE'LL EVER SEE. 
          UM, WE'RE ENTERING A PHASE IN, UM, IN MANAGEMENT WHERE THE CHEMICALS THEMSELVES HAVE BEEN PHASED OUT LARGELY, UH, AND THEN WE'RE ENTERING IN A TREATMENT PHASE. 
          SO THESE, THESE CHEMICALS IN THE ENVIRONMENT ARE GETTING TREATED AND REMOVED, UH, AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS MCLS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED. 
          SO THAT'S A MAXIMUM CONTAMINATION LEVEL, WHICH HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED AS, UM, AS A, UM, A LEVEL THAT IS UNDERSTOOD TO BE PROTECTED OF HUMAN HEALTH, UH, BUT ALSO TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, UM, THE TECHNOLOGY ABLE TO DETECT, UH, THE CHEMICALS, UH, THE TECHNOLOGY, UH, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO USE TO TREAT THE CHEMICALS. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO SEE ZERO. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S CALLED THE, IT IS WHAT IS CALLED THE MAXIMUM CONTAMINANT GOAL LEVEL IS ZERO, BUT THE, THE HIGHER LEVEL IS SET IN IN PARTS PER TRILLION. 
          AND I'LL GET TO THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, SO FROM A REGULATORY STATUS, UH, THE EPA, UH, HAS INTRODUCED THE, UH, UM, YEAH, FINALIZED THE PFAS NATIONAL PRIMARY DRINKING WATER RULES. 
          UH, SO THIS SET A TIMELINE FOR WATER, UH, WATER PROVIDERS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE MCLS, TO, TO BE ABLE TO TREAT, UM, THEIR DRINKING WATER TO THOSE LEVELS. 
          UM, SO WHAT THAT SAYS BY 2027, WE MUST BEGIN, UH, OUR INITIAL SAMPLING PHASE, UH, WHICH IS CALLED OUR INITIAL MONITORING PERIOD, AND DEMONSTRATE, UH, THAT WE'RE RELIABLY AND CONSISTENTLY BELOW THE MCL. 
          AND IF THAT'S NOT ABLE TO BE ACHIEVED, THEN BY 2029, UH, I'M SORRY, 2029 FOR NOW, AND I'LL GET BACK TO THAT, THAT'S FOR NOW. 
          UH, NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF TREATMENT OR SOME SORT OF OPTION TO FIND NEW SOURCES IF THAT'S THE CASE. 
          UH, BUT WE HAVE TO RELIABLY DEMONSTRATE THAT WE ARE NOT DISTRIBUTING THESE CHEMICALS ABOVE THE MCO. 
          UM, SO FOR RIGHT NOW, THERE'S TWO, UH, PFAS, UM, UH, PARAMETERS THAT HAVE MCLS PFOA AND PFOS UNDER THE, THE DRINKING WATER RULE. 
          UM, FROM 2024, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF OTHERS THAT WERE, UM, THAT WERE PROMULGATED MCLS AND, AND GOAL LEVELS AS WELL. 
          UM, THOSE HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT, AND I'LL GET, I'LL GET TO THOSE IN A SECOND, OR THEY'VE BEEN PROPOSED TO BE THROWN OUT, UM, BY THE TIME THIS COMPLIANCE CYCLE COMES INTO PLACE. 
          UM, BUT FOR NOW, THE EPA DOES HAS INDICATED THAT PFOA AND PFOS WILL REMAIN AS MCLS THAT FOUR PARTS PER TRILLION. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO I HAD MENTIONED THAT, UH, THE A PA HAS PROPOSED THROWING OUT, UM, THOSE MCLS, UH, FOR THOSE OTHER PARAMETERS. 
          UH, IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR, THE AMERICAN WATERWORKS ASSOCIATION SUED THE EPA TO REMOVE, UH, TO REMOVE THOSE, UH, SUED FOR PARTIAL VAC HERE TO REMOVE THOSE CERTAIN PARAMETERS. 
          UH, THEY'RE CALLED THE HAZARD HAZARD INDEX, PFAS, OR THEY'RE SOMETIMES CALLED GEN X, UH, CHEMICALS, UH, DUE TO PROCEDURAL ERRORS THAT, THAT THE RULEMAKING WASN'T DONE APPROPRIATELY. 
          UH, THE EPA AGREED, UH, SAID THAT, UH, SAID THAT WE AGREE WE WANT TO THROW THOSE OUT. 
          WE DO WANNA KEEP, UH, PFOA AND PFOS, AND THAT IS AGREED UPON BY ALL PARTIES. 
          UM, AND IT, RIGHT NOW, ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS HAVE COUNTERSUED AND THAT IS, UH, WITH, UM, WITH THE COURTS RIGHT NOW. 
          SO WE'RE WAITING ON UPDATES FROM THAT. 
          UM, AT THE SAME TIME, OR EARLIER THIS YEAR, I'M SORRY, THE EPA HAD RELEASED A, A PRESS STATEMENT SAYING THEY INTEND TO KEEP, UM, PFOA AND PFOS MCLS, UH, BUT INTEND TO PROPOSE A NEW RULE EXTENDING THE 2029 DEADLINE FOR REACHING TREATMENT COMPLIANCE OR FOR REACHING COMPLIANCE FOR, UM, HAVING TO ESTABLISH TREATMENT, UH, MOVING THOSE OUT A COUPLE YEARS. 
          AND, AND IT'S, IT'S BASED ON A COUPLE OF, UM, LEGITIMATE CONCERNS. 
          UM, THERE'LL BE A LARGE NUMBER OF WATER TREATMENT PROVIDERS, OUR WATER PROVIDERS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT WILL HAVE TO MEET THOSE STANDARDS, AND WE'LL HAVE TO EMPLOY THOSE TECHNOLOGIES IN THOSE IN THIS TIMEFRAME. 
          AND THERE'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN THAT THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE SUPPLY, UH, MANUFACTURING THAT 
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AND, UM, WON'T BE ABLE TO KEEP, KEEP WITH THAT DATE. 
          SO, UH, EXTENDING THAT TIME HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO, UH, DEVELOP TECHNOLOGIES, LOOK FOR REPLACEMENT WATER SOURCES, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO A NEW RULE WAS INTENDED TO BE PROPOSED THIS YEAR. 
          UH, WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING THEY SAID, UH, IN MAY, THAT IT WOULD BE THE FALL OF 2025 WITH THE INTENT THAT A FINAL RULE WOULD BE IN PLACE BY NEXT YEAR. 
          UH, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING YET, BUT THAT, THAT, UM, THAT COURT CASE KIND OF SETS IT IN MOTION AS WELL. 
          SO, UH, WE INTEND TO SEE THAT DATE BEING CHANGED. 
          BUT, UM, I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, SO, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE DOING PRE OR WE'RE JUST COMPLETING OUR PREM MONITORING OR OUR PRE, UM, INITIAL, UH, ASSESSMENT PERIOD. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOING OUT AND PULLING SAMPLES FROM ALL OUR WELLS AND GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE WELLS ARE PRODUCING RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE NEXT YEAR WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE'RE GOING TO BE SAMPLING, NOT NECESSARILY AT THE WELLS, BUT AT THE DISTRIBUTION POINTS. 
          UM, SO, UH, WE'RE KINDA GETTING A BACKGROUND OF WHERE WE ARE. 
          WE'RE PREPARING FOR THE MONITORING PERIOD, SO WE'RE GETTING OUR SAMPLING PLANS IN PLACE FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS. 
          UH, FOR SEDONA, I BELIEVE BASED ON POPULATION AND SOURCE WATER, IT'LL BE A QUARTERLY SAMPLE. 
          SO NEXT YEAR, IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, WE'LL BE PULLING QUARTERLY SAMPLES, UM, FOR PFAS, AND THEN WE'RE PREPARING AS OF AS FOR 2029 BEING THAT DATE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE, UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT MAY GET PUSHED OUT A FEW YEARS, BUT WE ARE APPROACHING IT FROM A 2029, UH, PERSPECTIVE. 
          AND WITH THAT, UM, MY SLIDES ARE COMPLETE AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. 
          UH, THE GEN X VERSIONS OF PFAS, DO YOU AGREE THAT THEY WERE NOT MEASURED OR PLANNED APPROPRIATELY? UH, FROM, I, I CAN'T, UM, MAYBE SAY MY PERSONAL OPINION, BUT FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, IT DOES APPEAR THAT IT, IT WASN'T, THEY WEREN'T, UM, INTRODUCED PROCEDURALLY CORRECT. 
          UM, AND THAT, THAT I BELIEVE IS, IS MOSTLY AGREED UPON. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DISAGREED UPON WAS, UH, A COUPLE OF SLIDES EARLIER WHEN I HAD THE, THE TABLES OF THE MCLS, INSTEAD OF HAVING AN ACTUAL MCL FOR THOSE CHEMICALS, THEY, THEY USE SOMETHING A LITTLE OUT OF THE ORDINARY FOR DRINKING WATER. 
          THEY CALL IT A HAZARD INDEX, WHICH ISN'T NECESSARILY, SO, IT, IT ISN'T SOMETHING WE USE FOR DRINKING WATER. 
          UM, SO, UH, THAT WAS SOMETHING A LITTLE NEW FOR US. 
          AND, AND HONESTLY, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD, UH, PLAY OUT FOR US, BUT I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE, UH, 'CAUSE THEY DO, UH, INDICATE THAT THEY WILL, UH, MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO INTRODUCE AN MCL FOR THOSE. 
          BUT WITHOUT USING THE HAZARD INDEX, IS IT A, IS GETTING TO A MCL, IS THAT MORE A LOGISTICAL CHALLENGE OR A POLITICAL CHALLENGE IN YOUR OPINION? UH, TO MEET AN MCL, UM, I WILL SAY, BY AND LARGE, WE ARE BY AND LARGE ENTIRELY, THE SYSTEM WILL, WILL MEET MCLS, UH, SEDONA WILL, UM, THERE ARE, WHERE IT IS, OUR SYSTEMS WHERE IT IS A LOGISTICAL CHALLENGE BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY, LIKE I SAID, THE TECHNOLOGIES AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW ARE ONLY, ARE AVAILABLE TO, UM, EVERY WATER SYSTEM IN THE COUNTRY. 
          AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IN THE PAST WHEN NEW MCLS, FOR INSTANCE, ARSENIC WERE INTRODUCED ALL AT ONCE, THERE'S A MAD RUSH FOR, FOR THE VENDORS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPLY THOSE, THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES, UH, THE SUPPLY CHAIN. 
          SO I DO BELIEVE THAT IS A LOGISTICAL, UH, CHALLENGE FOR, TO MEET THAT. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT MY QUESTION WAS, THAT YOU ANSWERED THERE. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S MORE OF IS DO YOU ANTICIPATE POLITICAL RESISTANCE TO GETTING THESE GEN X MCLS ESTABLISHED? DO YOU ANTICIPATE POLITICAL RESISTANCE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SAYING THE 2029 DATE IS LIKELY TO MOVED OUT? I MEAN, IT'S BEEN ANNOUNCED THAT THAT'S THE INTENT. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, DO YOU, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR CRYSTAL BALL TELL YOU? I MEAN, ARE WE GONNA KEEP KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE CURB ON THIS AND BE TALKING ABOUT THIS 10 YEARS FROM NOW STILL? I, I, I, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL, BUT I CAN SAY FROM PAST, UH, THERE IS A PENDULUM WITH THESE SORT OF THINGS AND THEY DO KIND OF SWING. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT NOW IT'S OBVIOUSLY SWINGING IN A DIRECTION AND HAS SWUNG IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION IN THE PAST. 
          UM, I, I THINK FROM, I GUESS TO SAY FROM A POLITICAL'S PERSPECTIVE, AT, AT, UM, AT A VERY INDIVIDUAL LEVEL, IT REALLY IS GONNA COME DOWN TO CERTAIN THINGS LIKE COST AND, AND SUPPLY CHAINS LIKE THAT, AND WHICH REALLY DO HAVE AN IMPACT, UH, AT THE LOCAL LEVEL FROM, FROM A NATIONAL OR FEDERAL LEVEL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A PENDULUM SWING. 
          ONE WAY WE MAY SEE IT COME THE OTHER WAY. 
          UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE CRYSTAL BALL GOES, UH, I'LL HAVE TO DIFFER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HERE'S REALLY THE HARD QUESTION. 
          AND JOHN, OR, UH, TERRY, SUE, YOU 
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MAY BOTH LIKE BE JUMPING UP ON THIS ONE. 
          SO, WILL ARIZONA WATER SEEK TO, UH, BEAT THE DEADLINES AS IT RELATES TO PFAS OR IS IT GONNA BE, HEY, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO HIT THE DATE. 
          WHATEVER EPA WINDS UP ESTABLISHING, I THINK WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY BE FIRST IN LINE, JUST LIKE WE WERE WITH ARSENIC. 
          AND THE COMPANY RIGHT NOW IS, IS MOVING FORWARD WITH DESIGN FOR THE SITES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TREAT. 
          AND, UM, THEY'VE TAKE IN THE PAST TO TAKEN A LOT OF PRIDE IN BEING THE FIRST IN COMPLIANCE. 
          WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST COMPANIES, O OVERALL AS A WHOLE TO HAVE, UH, OUR ARSENIC IN PLACE. 
          AND I'M GONNA, UM, SAY THAT'S GONNA BE THE CASE WITH PFOS TOO. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA, THE, THE GOAL IS TO TOW THE LINE AND, AND GET IT DONE, NOT, NOT KICK IT DOWN THE ROAD. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UH, RYAN, YOU HAD ON YOUR SLIDE BEFORE YOU TALKED ABOUT PREM MONITORING. 
          YOU'RE DOING IT THE WELLS DURING THE MONITORING PERIOD, IT'S GONNA BE AT A DISTRIBUTION POINT. 
          CAN YOU BREAK THAT DOWN INTO ENGLISH FOR ME? HOW MANY SPOTS IN SEDONA WOULD THAT BE? SURE I HAVE, UM, I DO, WE HAVE, UM, EIGHT, EIGHT WELLS. 
          WELL, THERE'S NINE, THERE'S NINE WELLS IN SEDONA. 
          AND I THINK IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE TESTING THE WELLS AND WE'RE SAMPLING AT THE WELLHEAD WHERE THE WATER JUST COMES OUTTA THE GROUND. 
          FIRST, FIRST, FIRST DRAW SAMPLE, RIGHT? UM, AND LATER ON THE SAMPLING REQUIREMENTS MAY AND HOWEVER YOU CLARIFIED IT, THEY'RE GONNA BE AFTER AT THE POINT OF ENTRY. 
          THE POINT OF ENTRY IS AFTER EVERYTHING, THE LAST THING OUT THE YARD BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. 
          SO ANY TREATMENT WE'RE, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY KIND OF, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M SAYING THIS WRONG, BUT WE'RE ELIMINATING ANYTHING TO GET RESULTS WHEN IT FIRST COMES OUT OF THE GROUND, BASED ON THE FACT THAT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THIS WATER GOES THROUGH BEFORE IT GETS TO THE POINT OF ENTRY, SOME OTHER KIND OF TREATMENT OR OTHERWISE MATERIAL, UM, WE, WE KNOW, WE KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE, WHERE WE STAND. 
          SO THE POINT OF ENTRY IS AT THE BACK END OF EACH WELL SITE. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THE BACK, RIGHT. 
          THE BACK END OF, AND ANY, ANY TREATMENT TOO. 
          ANY TREATMENT. 
          LAST THING OUTTA THE YARD AND, AND OUR YARDS RIGHT NEXT TO THE GATE BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE SYSTEM IS WHERE OUR SAMPLE TAPS ARE FOR, IN MOST CASES FOR, FOR SAMPLING AT THE POINT OF ENTRY. 
          THE EPDS, THE ENTRY POINT TO THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM FOR ALL NINE WELLS THAT EXIST, ALL OUR WELLS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, PLEASE CONTINUE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, JORDAN'S GONNA COME UP NEXT AND, UM, WE TALKING ABOUT, UH, A WC ALERTS. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS. 
          MY NAME'S JORDAN CHRISTIANSON. 
          I AM THE COMMUNITY OF RELATIONS AND COMMUNICATIONS COORDINATOR FOR ARIZONA WATER COMPANY, JOHN. 
          SO I'M EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE TO YOU A NEW ADDITION TO THE ENTIRE COMPANY THAT'S COMING TO SEDONA OFFICIALLY, UH, NEXT WEEK, BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER. 
          AND THAT IS A WC ALERTS. 
          UM, A WC ALERTS IS OUR MASS COMMUNICATION TOOL THAT WE ARE NOW IMPLEMENTING AND WE WILL IMPLEMENT IN SEDONA RIGHT NEXT WEEK THAT WE WILL USE TO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR CUSTOMERS, RIGHT? THE GOAL WITH A WC ALERTS IS TO PROVIDE SAFE, RELIABLE WATER SERVICE BY INFORMING OUR CUSTOMERS WHEN THE WATER IS GONNA BE OUT AND WHEN THE WATER COMES BACK. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA BE USING A WC ALERTS TO TEXT AND EMAIL OUR CUSTOMERS, RIGHT? IN THOSE IMPACTED AREAS AS THOSE SITUATIONS ARISE, RIGHT? UM, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS US TO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR CUSTOMERS IN MASS, WHICH IS SOMETHING THE COMPANY HAS NEVER HAD BEFORE. 
          ALRIGHT? SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A WC ALERTS BEHIND THE SCENES STUFF. 
          UM, WE ARE USING A MASS COMMUNICATION SOFTWARE CALLED ONS SOLVE. 
          ONS SOLVE IS ONE OF THE LARGEST MASS COMMUNICATION TOOLS OUT THERE THAT DOES STUFF LIKE THIS. 
          IT SERVES FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES, OTHER UTILITIES ALL AROUND THE WORLD, RIGHT? AND SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT ONS UNSOLVED ALLOWS US TO DO IS DRAW SHAPES ON A MAP AROUND OUR CUSTOMER BASE, RIGHT? AND USE THE GEOFENCING TOOL TO MESSAGE ONE TO ALL 100,000 CUSTOMERS THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE ENTIRE STATE, RIGHT? SO IT ALLOWS US TO GET VERY SPECIFIC TO THE SITUATION. 
          SO A LOT OF THE OUTAGES ARE 10, FIVE, MAYBE 20 CUSTOMER CONNECTIONS THAT ARE IMPACTED AT A TIME. 
          WE ARE ONLY GONNA BE TALKING TO THOSE CUSTOMERS IN THOSE SITUATIONS WHEN WE LET THEM KNOW THE WATER'S GONNA BE OUT FOR FOUR TO THREE HOURS, WHATEVER THE SITUATION IS. 
          ALRIGHT, NEXT ONE, JOHN. 
          SO YEAH, WHAT CAN WE DO WITH 
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A WC ALERTS? UM, A W CS, LIKE I SAID, WE CAN MESSAGE ONE PERSON, WE CAN MESSAGE EVERYBODY, RIGHT? IN SEDONA, OUR DRIVERS FOR A WC ALERTS ARE GONNA BE JOHN AND THE REST OF HIS TEAM UP HERE IN THE DIVISION. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE USING IT PRIMARILY DURING THOSE WORK BUSINESS HOURS, RIGHT? AND AS NEEDED DURING, AFTER HOURS FOR THINGS AS SIMPLE AS A SCHEDULED PLANNED WATER OUTAGE WHERE WE'RE NOTIFYING CUSTOMERS IN ADVANCE BEFORE THE WATER GOES OFF, AS WELL AS REACTING TO THOSE UNPLANNED SCENARIOS WHERE WE FIND A LEAK SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? AND WE NEED TO LET OUR CUSTOMERS KNOW THAT THE WATER'S OUT. 
          TRADITIONALLY HOW THE COMPANY HAS OPERATED FOR ALMOST ITS ENTIRE EXISTENCE FOR 70 YEARS HAS BEEN DOOR KNOCKING OF LETTING OUR CUSTOMERS KNOW THAT THE WATER IS OUT. 
          AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, IT MIGHT BE NICE TO TALK TO SOMEBODY IN PERSON, BUT ALSO NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY, RIGHT? ESPECIALLY DURING LIKE BUSINESS HOURS, PEOPLE ARE NOT HOME, RIGHT? OR ET CETERA. 
          SO THIS JUST MAKES OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE THAT MUCH BETTER. 
          UM, UNSOLVED, OUR EUB SAID WE ALERTS, UM, WE CAN CALL YOU, RIGHT? WE CAN TEXT YOU, WE CAN EMAIL YOU, WE CAN DO IT ONE AT A TIME. 
          WE CAN DO IT ALL AT A TIME. 
          UH, PRIMARILY, UH, WE ARE USING A WC ALERTS, UH, THROUGH TEXTING AND EMAILING. 
          SO WHEN THERE'S, UH, WHEN THERE'S AN OUTAGE AND IT IMPACTS YOU AND YOUR A CUSTOMER, RIGHT? YOU'RE GONNA GET A TEXT MESSAGE AND AN EMAIL. 
          IF THE EMAIL WE HAVE OVER THE PHONE NUMBER WE HAVE IN OUR COMPUTER SYSTEM IS ACCURATE, RIGHT? THERE ARE SOME SITUATIONS WHERE IT'S A LANDLINE. 
          OBVIOUSLY THAT TEXT MESSAGE IS NOT GONNA GO THROUGH. 
          UM, GEOFENCING, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE DRAWING SHAPES. 
          SO A LOT OF THESE SOFTWARES, THEY WORK OFF OF PREBUILT LISTS AND YOU MESSAGE EVERYBODY IN THE LIST. 
          WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. 
          UM, WE'RE DRAWING A SHAPE AROUND A MAP AROUND THE AREA OR RATHER JOHN'S DRAWING THE SHAPE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE'RE MESSAGING JUST THOSE PEOPLE. 
          LIKE I SAID A FEW TIMES, WHAT'S REALLY COOL IS THAT WE GET ANALYTICS BACK FOR EVERY MESSAGE THAT WE SEND OUT, BASICALLY A SUCCESS RATE AND IT BREAKS IT DOWN INTO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. 
          IT GIVES US ALL THIS TIMESTAMPS ABOUT WHEN IT WAS RECEIVED, IF IT WAS OPEN, ALL THIS STUFF. 
          AND WE'VE LAUNCHED THIS, WE'RE GOING DIVISION BY DIVISION BY THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          THE ENTIRE COMPANY WILL BE USING IT. 
          UM, WHAT'S REALLY COOL, WE'RE AT A 90% SUCCESS RATE ACROSS THE ENTIRE DIVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN USING IT. 
          AND WE'VE TRIALED IT A COUPLE TIMES HERE, UM, IN SEDONA SOME TESTS. 
          AND WE'RE ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT EVERY TIME A MESSAGE GOES THROUGH, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY GOOD IN TERMS OF THE QUALITY OF OUR DATA. 
          ALRIGHT, NEXT. 
          SO WHAT IS THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE FOR A WC ALERTS? UM, WITH A, THIS IS THE FIRST MASS COMMUNICATION TOOL WE'VE HAD. 
          LIKE I SAID, THIS IS ALSO THE FIRST TIME THE COMPANY HAS HAD OUTAGES PAGE AND MAP SECTION ON THEIR WEBSITE. 
          SO IN ADDITION TO GETTING, YOU KNOW, THE TEXT MESSAGE AND THE EMAIL, RIGHT? UM, CUSTOMERS COMPANY WIDE CAN GO TO OUR WEBSITE. 
          THERE'S AN OUTAGES PAGE RIGHT THERE ON THE HOMEPAGE AND OUTAGES ACROSS THE COMPANY WILL BE POSTED THERE, RIGHT? AND SO CUSTOMER IN SEDONA GETS A TEXT MESSAGE, THEY CAN CLICK THE LINK THAT'S AT THE END OF THEIR TEXT MESSAGE. 
          YOU CAN SEE IN THE EXAMPLE THERE, IT'LL TAKE 'EM STRAIGHT TO THE OUTAGES PAGE WHERE THEY CAN, WHERE THEY WILL SEE THE ALERT. 
          UM, THEY'LL SEE AN IMAGE OF THE ALERT IN TERMS OF A MAP, RIGHT? THE IMAGE WON'T COME THROUGH ON THE TEXT, BUT IT'S THERE ON THE WEBSITE AND IT'S THERE IN THE EMAIL OF THE OUTAGE IMPACT AREA, RIGHT? AND AGAIN, WE WANT OUR CUSTOMERS TO FEEL SAFE TO BE INFORMED, RIGHT? ABOUT THEIR WATER SERVICE, RIGHT? AND SO WHEN THEY COME HOME OR BEFORE THEY EVEN COME HOME AND TRY TO TAKE A SHOWER OR DO THE LAUNDRY, DO THE DISHES, RIGHT? THEY KNOW THE WATER'S GONNA BE OUT BEFORE THEY EVEN GET THERE AND THEY'LL KNOW WHEN THE WATER'S TURNED BACK ON. 
          ALRIGHT, NEXT ONE JOHN. 
          SO WE ARE USING A WC ALERTS COMPANYWIDE. 
          SO THAT'S ALL OF SEDONA OAK CREEK, ALL OF OUR NORTHERN GROUP AND BY SEDONA AND ENTIRE VERDE VALLEY DIVISION. 
          JOHN WILL START USING IT NEXT WEEK. 
          HE AND THE REST OF HIS TEAM AS NEED BE. 
          RIGHT? AND THEY'LL BE MESSAGING CUSTOMERS FOR THOSE PLANNED UNPLANNED SCENARIOS, RIGHT? AND THIS IS SOMETHING LIKE I SAID, COMPANYWIDE, WE'LL BE ROLLING OUT TO EVERY OTHER DIVISION RIGHT? IF WE STAY ON TRACK, RIGHT? FINGERS CROSSED IT'S, I'M JUST ONE GUY TRAINING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE LIKE JOHN, RIGHT? . 
          UM, AND SO IF WE STAY ON TRACK, WE'LL BE DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          ALRIGHT? AND YEAH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE INCLUDE WITH, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING SAFE, RELIABLE WATER SERVICE. 
          WE KNOW CUSTOMERS WANT TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION AND I THINK WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE THIS TOOL IN OUR ARSENAL. 
          NOW, KATHY, SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF HOAS, 
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UM, IN SEDONA. 
          AND I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU ARE, SINCE SOME OF THEM ARE ONLY ON ONE METER, SOME OF THEM ARE ON MULTIPLE METERS, BUT I'M SUPPOSING THAT YOU ONLY HAVE A, THE PROPERTY MANAGER CONTACT FOR ANY PARTICULAR METER, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. 
          DO YOU HAVE AGREEMENTS FROM PROPERTY MANAGERS TO FORWARD OUT YOUR INFORMATION? BECAUSE I'M WORRIED ABOUT, I SAID IT'S A GREAT SYSTEM AND IT SOUNDS SORT OF SIMILAR TO WHAT A PS IS DOING WITH, YOU CAN GO ON THE WEB AND GET THERE AND YOU KNOW, GET A APPROXIMATE TIME FOR, UH, RESTORATION. 
          BUT HOW, HOW CAN YOU BE SURE? 'CAUSE YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA GET BLAMED TO HAVE THE BAD NAME IF YOU KNOW WHEN INFORMATION DOESN'T FLOW MM-HMM . 
          UNATTENDED, . 
          UM, BUT IS IT, CAN YOU EXTRACT AGREEMENTS FROM THEM TO FORWARD OUT THE INFORMATION? YEAH. 
          THAT IS SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IN TERMS OF TALKING TO HOAS OR EVEN BUSINESSES, RIGHT? GETTING THOSE INDIVIDUAL, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTACT INFORMATION. 
          'CAUSE A LOT OF 'EM, EVEN LIKE RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES, RIGHT? IT'S ONE METER OR THAT COMMUNITY OWNER IS THE, IS THE INFORMATION, RIGHT? AND WE'RE JUST HAVE TO, PART OF THAT IS LIKE, WE'RE UPDATING OUR DATA AT THE SAME TIME. 
          AND SO PART OF THAT DATA LAUNCH IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONNECT WITH THOSE HOAS AND RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES AND THOSE BUSINESSES TO SEE IF WE CAN WORK OUT AN AGREEMENT TO GET THE CUSTOMERS TO BASICALLY BE, WILL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO US. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND UNTIL, UNTIL THEN WE WILL TREAT THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE WE CAN, UM, ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS. 
          SO IF WE HAVE TO TURN OFF LAY SPRINGS OR SOMEBODY IN A BIG HURRY, MAYBE WE'LL GO. 
          SO, AND THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. 
          WE CAN GO IN INTERNALLY AND DO WHAT WE DO NOW, KNOCK ON DOORS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO WE, WE WILL NEVER LOSE THAT ABILITY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND IT, IT WORKS NOW SORT OF, IT IS NOT A WC ALERTS IS NOT REPLACING WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. 
          IT'S IN CONJUNCTION TO THE DOOR KNOCKING, RIGHT. 
          AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS JOHN CURRENTLY DOES. 
          THIS IS JUST ONE MORE THING THAT HE HAS TO DO. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO I I THINK I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DATABASE YOU'RE GONNA BE USING IS THE DATABASE THAT YOU GUYS ALREADY HAVE. 
          THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A PUBLIC OUTREACH TEXT, WHATEVER TO WHATEVER NUMBER TO SIGN UP FOR THIS SERVICE. 
          SO YEAH, EVERY CUSTOMER IS ALREADY AUTOMATICALLY ENROLLED THROUGH OUR DATABASE. 
          UM, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON UPDATING THE DATABASE THROUGH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING COMPANY-WIDE. 
          AND SO THERE WILL BE A CAMPAIGN PER SE TO ASK CUSTOMERS TO UPDATE THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION. 
          THAT'S THE THING WE REALLY NEED IS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, WE DIDN'T KNOW IF THE PHONES WE HAD WERE CELL PHONES OR LAND OR FAX NUMBERS, UM, THAT WEREN'T LABELED THAT WAY. 
          AND SO THAT'S ONE THING WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR ME AS I'M MANAGING THE DATA, IS LIKE, GO IN IF YOU'RE A CUSTOMER, UPDATE YOUR CONTACT SYSTEM IN OUR OFFICE OR DO IT YOURSELF THROUGH, YOU KNOW, OUR, ON OUR ONLINE PORTAL, RIGHT? AND WE WILL KEEP ASKING CUSTOMERS TO DO THAT OVER THE NEXT YEAR. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          ADVANCE TO THE ID P TERRY AT THE END. 
          WHAT, UM, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND ADVANCE TO THE IDMP UPDATE REALLY QUICKLY AND THEN TERRY'S GONNA WRAP EVERYTHING AT THE END SO WE CAN GIVE NATHAN TIME FOR HIS PRESENTATION. 
          UM, HI EVERYONE. 
          HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. 
          UM, I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU GUYS AN UPDATE ON THE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THROUGH RIPPLE EFFECT. 
          WE'LL START WITH THE PUBLIC MESSAGING. 
          SO THAT'S THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THE SOCIAL MEDIA CONTENT, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GENERATE SOME NEW CONTENT CATEGORIES. 
          UH, WE PICK A TOPIC EVERY MONTH. 
          WE WORK WITH KEEGAN MOORE CRAFT TO, OR MORE CRAFT, SORRY, TO DO A TOPICAL VIDEO. 
          UM, SO THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ENGAGEMENT ON THOSE TOPICS. 
          AND THE VIDEOS ARE SHORT AND CATCHY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GET THE INFORMATION BITE SIZED AND THEN HOPEFULLY BE PROMPTED TO FOLLOW THE PAGE AND TO KEEP FOLLOWING THE INFO. 
          UM, THE TOPICS THAT GENERATED THE MOST ENGAGEMENT, Q1 THROUGH Q3 WERE HOUSEHOLD WASTE MANAGEMENT, HOW TO WATER YOUR PLANTS AND WATER FOR WILDLIFE. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP TRACK OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE ENGAGING WITH THE MOST AND SEE IF THERE ARE PATTERNS AND TRENDS IN WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ACTIONABLE FOR THEM AND THAT'S WHAT GENERATES ENGAGEMENT OR WHAT KIND OF CONTENT PEOPLE ARE MOST INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING WITH. 
          UM, AND Q4 WE'RE DOING DROUGHT EDUCATION. 
          UM, WE DID THAT IN OCTOBER. 
          AND THEN GENERAL INDOOR WATER CONSERVATION AND THEN WINTER WATERING AND WINTERIZING YOUR HOME. 
          AND WE HAVE SOME COOL VIDEOS LINED UP FOR THAT. 
          UM, COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING A VIDEO WITH NIKKI CHECK FROM YAVAPAI COUNTY FOR GENERAL INDOOR WATER CONSERVATION. 
          SHE'S GONNA SPEAK TO THE COUNTY'S, UM, GOAL TO KIND OF INTEGRATE THE WATER CONSERVATION EFFORTS ACROSS THE COUNTY. 
          UM, AND THEN FOR THE EDUCATIONAL VIDEO 
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PROJECTS, WE COMPLETED THE WASTEWATER JOURNEY VIDEO AND WE HAVE BEEN SHARING THAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THROUGH OUR YOUTUBE AND FACEBOOK ADS. 
          AND OUR NEXT VIDEO PROJECT WE'D LIKE TO COMPLETE IS AN ADJUDICATION 1 0 1, AND THAT'LL BE AN ILLUSTRATOR EXPLAINER FORMAT. 
          SO IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN THOSE VIDEOS WHERE THEY START LIKE DRAWING AND THEY'RE TALKING AND EDUCATING YOU ON A TOPIC, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR. 
          UM, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S OBVIOUSLY VERY DIGESTIBLE AND ENTRY LEVEL. 
          WE DON'T WANNA OVERWHELM ANYONE. 
          AND SO I'M WORKING ON DRAFTING THAT SCRIPT AND WE'LL OBVIOUSLY SHARE THAT WITH THE CITY ONCE WE HAVE A DRAFT READY SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT HOW WE'RE COMMUNICATING ABOUT THE ADJUDICATION. 
          UM, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO OUTREACH AND EDUCATION HIGHLIGHTS. 
          WE JUST HAD OUR SECOND TO ANNUAL FOURTH GRADE WATER FESTIVAL ON SEPTEMBER 30TH. 
          IT WAS A GREAT SUCCESS. 
          WE HAD 140 STUDENTS THERE, 20 VOLUNTEERS. 
          IT WAS OUR SECOND YEAR DOING THIS. 
          AND WE HAD A LOT OF FUN THINGS WENT A LITTLE BIT MORE SMOOTHLY WITH OUR SETUP AND WE WORKED WITH, UM, POSSE GROUNDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LAWN HADN'T BEEN WATERED RECENTLY. 
          'CAUSE LAST YEAR IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MUSHY AND SO IT WAS, IT WORKED OUT REALLY WELL. 
          UM, AND THE KIDS SEEM TO HAVE A GREAT TIME. 
          UH, WE ARE ALSO PLANNING FOR WORLD WATER DAY FOR NEXT SPRING. 
          UM, WE'VE ALREADY CONFIRMED WITH SLIDE ROCK STATE PARK, THAT'LL HAPPEN ON SATURDAY, MARCH 21ST, AND WE WANNA BRING BACK THE SAME VENDORS AND ADD A FEW MORE AND STREAMLINE THE DAY OF EVENT LOGISTICS. 
          BUT OVERALL, WE FELT REALLY GOOD ABOUT THIS PAST SPRING'S EVENT. 
          SO WE WANNA KIND OF RECREATE THIS SAME ENVIRONMENT THIS YEAR FOR THIS COMING YEAR, UH, FOR RECOGNITION. 
          RIPPLE EFFECT WAS RECENTLY HONORED WITH THE KEEP SEDONA BEAUTIFUL AWARD, UM, FOR ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP OR EXCELLENCE IN ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP. 
          AND WE WERE REALLY EXCITED TO RECEIVE THAT AWARD. 
          LUCAS WORKING ON ACQUIRING SOME ADDITIONAL COPIES OF THE PHOTOGRAPHY PRINT THAT WE WERE GIVEN FOR EACH OF THE PROGRAM PARTNERS. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE BIG PROJECT THAT IS BEING WORKED ON RIGHT NOW IS THE, UM, BUSINESS CERTIFICATION PROGRAM. 
          AND SO THE GOAL OF THAT IS JUST TO ENCOURAGE AND SUPPORT BUSINESSES EMPLOYING SUSTAINABLE PRACTICES THAT HAVE MEASURABLE IMPACTS. 
          AND SO WE IDENTIFIED FOUR CATEGORIES THAT WE WANT BUSINESSES TO TRY TO CERTIFY IN WATER CONSERVATION, WASTE REDUCTION, WASTEWATER PROTECTION, AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. 
          AND WITHIN EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES, THEY CAN, UM, CERTIFY AT THREE DIFFERENT LEVELS, LEADER, INNOVATOR, AND CHAMPION. 
          BUT WE'VE SCALED THAT SO THAT THEY HAVE TO START OUT AS LEADER AND THEN SUSTAIN EFFORTS FOR A YEAR BEFORE THEY CAN CERTIFY TO INNOVATOR AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY TO CHAMPION. 
          SO WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE SLOW AND STEADY AND SUSTAINED EFFORT. 
          UM, AND WE'RE JUST RIGHT NOW WORKING THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION LOGISTICS. 
          SO BUILDING OUT A WEBPAGE, CREATING A MARKETING STRATEGY, MAKING SURE WE KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY SCHEDULE THESE SITE VISITS TO VERIFY, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GETTING ON THEIR INTAKE FORM THAT THEY SAY THEY'RE DOING. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ALSO WANNA TRACK SOME METRICS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN EVALUATE THE IMPACT OF THE PROGRAM OVER TIME. 
          SO THE TENTATIVE LAUNCH FOR THAT IS JANUARY 1ST, 2026. 
          AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING READY FOR THAT LAUNCH. 
          UM, AND THEN BECAUSE WE'VE SCALED IT SO THAT THEY QUALIFY AS A LEADER FIRST, THEN AN INNOVATOR, THEN A CHAMPION. 
          WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON BUILDING OUT SOME RESOURCES FOR BUSINESSES THAT THEY'LL NEED IN EACH YEAR. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE CHAMPION LEVEL, IF THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH A WATER BUDGET, THEN THEY CAN CERTIFY THROUGH THAT ACTION FOR WATER CONSERVATION. 
          AND SO WE WANNA BUILD OUT SOME TOOLS FOR WATER BUDGETING. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE PLANNED AND WE'RE TRYING TO SCHEDULE OUT. 
          AND THAT'S IT FOR RIPPLE EFFECT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU MAYOR . 
          THANKS ALEX. 
          AND MAYBE THIS IS TO JOHN AS WELL. 
          I WAS THINKING ABOUT YOUR FOURTH GRADE CONTEST OR THE FOURTH GRADE EVENT. 
          JOHN, IS THAT IS EMILY MELHORN FROM CP WATER PARTNERSHIP LOOPED IN IN THAT? DO WE HAVE A COORDINATED EFFORT ABOUT FOURTH GRADE ACTIVITIES? UH, YEAH, LOOSELY COORDINATED BECAUSE THEY, UH, THE SEDONA STUDENTS WERE INVOLVED IN THE POSTER CONTEST AND THEY WON THE POSTER CONTEST UP ON THE MOUNTAIN. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE, UM, IT'S MORE LOCALIZED FOR THE, UM, THE KIDS, FOR THE NUMBER OF KIDS BECAUSE THAT THAT'S, AND YOU CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THIS, IT'S COORDINATED THROUGH, UH, PROJECT WET AND, AND THE PARTNERSHIP. 
          THEY DON'T OR THEY DEAL WITH PROJECT WET OR ARE THEY? YEAH. 
          SO, UM, EMILY DID ACTUALLY REACH OUT BECAUSE I LET HER KNOW THAT WE WERE HAVING THIS FESTIVAL BECAUSE, UM, THOSE STUDENTS DO PARTICIPATE IN THE FOURTH GRADE WATER ETHICS CONTEST. 
          AND SHE WANTED TO KNOW LIKE WHAT THE TEACHER INTEREST WAS IN THE CONTEST. 
          THIS WAS KIND OF AHEAD OF THE FESTIVAL. 
          AND SO I CONNECTED HER WITH THE PROJECT WE COORDINATOR THAT WE WORK WITH MICHAEL, AND HE GAVE, UM, THE TEACHERS THAT INFORMATION ABOUT THAT CONTEST SO THAT THEY CAN KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THEIR KIDS UP TO SPEED ON THAT. 
          SO WE'RE ALL TALKING TO EACH OTHER TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S ALIGNED. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. 
          SO CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE COMMERCIAL, UH, SUSTAINABILITY CERTIFICATION PAGE? THANK YOU. 
          HAVE YOU BEEN SPEAKING WITH ANY OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES ABOUT THIS 
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PROGRAM TO SORT OF GET INPUT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE THINK WE WANNA TRY TO ACCOMPLISH HERE? I HAVE NOT BEEN SPEAKING WITH ANY OF THE LOCAL BUSINESSES. 
          THE BUSINESSES THAT WE HAVE CONTACT WITH RIGHT NOW, WE'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE SIP SMART SEDONA CAMPAIGN. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          UM, THAT WAS AN EFFORT, UM, THAT WAS TO BASICALLY ENCOURAGE RESTAURANTS SPECIFICALLY TO CHANGE THEIR OPERATIONS FRONT OF HOUSE SO THAT THEY'RE NOT POURING WATER FOR, UH, PEOPLE WITHOUT THEM ASKING OR REFILLING, WITHOUT THEM REQUESTING IT. 
          AND SO WE HAD A PEOPLE SIGN UP, A FEW PEOPLE SIGN UP THROUGH THAT PROGRAM. 
          IT WAS THREE OWNERS, SIX RESTAURANTS. 
          AND SO WE HAVE THEM AS CONTACTS AND THEY'RE AWARE THAT WE'RE BUILDING THIS PROGRAM OUT, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY PLUGGED ANYONE FOR FEEDBACK, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY. 
          BUT I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          SO YOU MIGHT WANNA SEE WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT NO LONGER WATERING LAWN GRASS. 
          THAT MIGHT BE A TOUCHY SUBJECT. 
          WE'VE GOT SOME AWFULLY PRETTY GREEN LAWNS RUNNING ALONG 89 A THAT ARE KIND OF A HEAD SCRATCHER GIVEN THAT WE'RE IN THE DESERT. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT'S PART OF, UH, DOES THAT FALL UNDER WATER CONSERVATION OR, OR IS IT ITS OWN ACTUAL CATEGORY? PERHAPS IT WOULD FALL UNDER WATER CONSERVATION, BUT THE LEVEL AT WHICH THEY CAN CERTIFY SKILLS UP BASED ON THE ACTIONS THEY'RE COMPLETING. 
          SO AT THAT ENTRY LEADER LEVEL, WE ARE REALLY JUST HOPING THAT THEY'RE, WHATEVER IRRIGATION THAT THEY DO HAVE IS OPERATING EFFICIENTLY. 
          AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THEIR ENTRY POINT. 
          IF THEY WANT TO THEN CERTIFY UP FROM THAT POINT, THERE'S MORE THAT THEY CAN DO, LIKE TRANSITION OVER TO ZEROSCAPE, UH, BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH A MORE DEDICATED WATER BUDGET, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF CLOSELY MONITORED THAN JUST MAKING SURE THAT YOUR IRRIGATION IS OPERATING EFFICIENTLY. 
          UM, AND SO WE TRIED TO KIND OF SCALE IT UP SO THAT IF PEOPLE DON'T FEEL INCLINED TO CERTIFY UP, THEY DON'T HAVE TO, BUT THEY DON'T GET THAT ADDITIONAL RECOGNITION. 
          THEN I COULD SEE IT FOLLOWING UNDER THE WASTE REDUCTION TOO. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE WATERFALLS WE HAVE COMING OFF THE CURBS EVERY MORNING WHEN I COME INTO WORK WHERE THAT'S WHEN THE SPRINKLERS ARE ON AND I'VE TIME OR TWO, WE KEEP THE ROAD PRETTY WET. 
          SO , IS THIS GONNA BE SORT OF STILL UNDER THE RIPPLE EFFECT BRAND? OR IS THIS ITS OWN THING? THIS WILL BE RIPPLE EFFECT BRANDED. 
          SO IT'LL HAVE ITS OWN SEPARATE TAB ON THE RIPPLE EFFECT LANDING PAGE THAT THEY CAN CLICK TO. 
          UM, AND THAT'S THE PROGRAM THAT'S IT'S UMBRELLAED UNDER. 
          HOW DO YOU KNOW WHETHER THIS IS SUCCESSFUL? YOU KNOW, A YEAR FROM NOW, TWO YEARS FROM NOW, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHETHER WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS? YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO IDENTIFY SPECIFIC MEASURABLE METRICS IN EACH CATEGORY. 
          FOR WATER CONSERVATION, IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE EASIEST TO MEASURE WATER USAGE AND LOOK AND SEE IF THERE'S BEEN A DECREASE IN USAGE OVER TIME. 
          UM, ONCE THEY GET TO THE CHAMPION LEVEL AND THEY'RE WORKING WITH A WATER BUDGET, WE KNOW THAT WATER BUDGET'S DESIGNED FOR MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY. 
          SO THE METRIC IS WHETHER THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT AND BY WHAT PERCENTAGE. 
          UM, BUT IN WASTE REDUCTION WE WANNA ENCOURAGE THEM TO TRACK WASTE DIVERSION RATES SO THAT WE CAN THEN ALSO INTAKE THAT DATA. 
          UM, WASTEWATER PROTECTION, WE'RE KIND OF WORKING WITH WHAT THE CITY'S, UM, METRICS ARE AND STANDARDS ARE FOR WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT, UM, FOR THEIR COMMERCIAL ENTITIES. 
          AND THEN STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UM, THAT ONE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE AMBIGUOUS FOR US, SO WE'RE KIND OF WORKING WITH HANUKAH TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST METRIC IS TO TRACK. 
          BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WORKING ON 'CAUSE WE DEFINITELY WANNA MAKE SURE WE CAN ACTUALLY MEASURE THE IMPACT AND SEE AT A LARGER SCALE IF THE PROGRAM'S EFFECTIVE. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA PLAN TO REEVALUATE THE PROGRAM ESSENTIALLY. 
          I, I THINK AT A YEAR WE'RE GONNA DO A CHECK IN WITH THOSE METRICS AND THEN PROBABLY AFTER TWO OR THREE YEARS, BECAUSE IT'S SCALED SO THAT THEY CAN ONLY BECOME CHAMPION AT THAT THREE YEAR LEVEL, WE'LL DO A MORE IN DEPTH EVALUATION AND ANALYSIS OF THE PROGRAM. 
          THANK YOU, BRYCE. 
          UM, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RIPPLE EFFECT ON, IN THE RESIDENTIAL WATER USE? LIKE, ARE WE GONNA HAVE AZ WATER BASICALLY DRIVE THE BUS ON THIS? UM, OR DO YOU WANNA SEE COUNCIL HAVE A MORE ACTIVE ROLE IN A, FROM A POLICY MAKING PERSPECTIVE AS IT RELATES TO WATER CONSERVATION IN THE CITY? UH, SO, UM, JUST, UH, FOR ME TO CLARIFY THE QUESTION, SO MORE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF THINGS MM-HMM . 
          VERSUS THE COMMERCIAL. 
          I MEAN, YOU CAN ANSWER EITHER WAY. 
          I MEAN, I'M INTERESTED IN BOTH, BUT CERTAINLY FROM A RESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE, THAT KIND OF FLIES UNDER THE RADAR COMPARED TO THE COMMERCIAL PROGRAM WHERE YOU CAN GO GET, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THREE TIERS FOR, YOU KNOW, YOUR LEADERSHIP, SO MM-HMM . 
          UH, SO I KIND OF VIEW FOR BOTH OF 'EM TO BE KIND OF, UH, A STRONG COLLABORATION NEED BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          UH, 'CAUSE IF WE, IN MY OPINION, IF THE CITY THEN SETS A POLICY THAT IS THEN NOT ABLE TO BE IMPLEMENTED OR TRACKED, UH, EFFECTIVELY WITH ARIZONA WATER 
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COMPANY OR WITH OAK CREEK WATER COMPANY, THEN WE DON'T HAVE, UH, A GOOD WAY TO MEASURE WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE SUCCESSFUL. 
          AND, AND ALSO TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT, UH, TO THE RESIDENTS AND, AND BUSINESSES, UH, TANGENTIALLY OR, OR COMBINED EFFORTS. 
          SO, UM, IN MY MIND FOR THE RIPPLE EFFECT EFFORTS, UH, AND THE LIKE THAT, THAT COLLABORATION POINTS BETWEEN OURSELVES AS WELL AS ARIZONA WATER COMPANY AND BIG PARK AND THE LIKE, UH, IS INSTRUMENTAL IN MAKING SURE THAT THE CHANGES THAT WE MAKE FOR A RESIDENTIAL OR THE PROGRAMS THAT WE CREATE FOR RESIDENTIAL ALIKE ACTUALLY STICK, UH, VERSUS US TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, NOT WELL COMMUNICATED OR COLLABORATED ON TO KNOW THE NUANCES OF, OF THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION OR TRACKING OF IT. 
          UH, 'CAUSE IF WE GO TO CREATE A RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THAT'S TRACKED OR HOW I CAN WORK WITH JOHN AND THE TEAM TO BE LIKE, HOW, HOW AM I GETTING THAT INFORMATION BACK TO BE ABLE TO REPORT HOW IT WAS SUCCESSFUL? THEN IT KIND OF LIKE, IT STOPS THERE. 
          SO I THINK THAT COMPONENT OF BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE THE COLLABORATION UNDER THE RIPPLE EFFECT UMBRELLA IS ABLE TO KEEP US, UH, KEEP MOMENTUM GOING ON OUR EFFORTS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NOW AN OPINION QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          SO RIPPLE EFFECT IS ENCOURAGEMENT, IT'S NICE, IT'S FRIENDLY. 
          UM, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS AGAIN ABOUT COUNCIL HAVING A MORE EMPHATIC POLICY POSITION ABOUT WATER CONSERVATION IN THE CITY? DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT GOOD IDEA, NOT A GOOD IDEA? UH, GREAT QUESTION. 
          UH, I THINK THE ASPECT IS, IS THAT, UH, I WOULD WANT TO TAKE A POLICY POSITION THAT IF YOU'RE TAKING A, A FIRM COMPONENT OF LIKE WE'RE GONNA CONSERVE WATER WITH IT, THAT YOU ALSO HAVE THE CARROT THAT GOES ALONG. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST, UH, SO MUCH OF THE, THE MANDATED REGULATION PIECE, BUT YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF COMPONENT THAT ENCOURAGES 'EM TO CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE. 
          SO IF, IF THAT WAS COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, I WOULD, UH, KIND OF PUT BOTH OF THOSE TO BE, TO WORK TOGETHER WITH EACH OTHER ON THAT COMPONENT. 
          THANKS FOR LETTING ME PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          YEAH, I, I WAS GOING TO GO DOWN THE PATH ALSO ABOUT BRINGING IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. 
          SEEMS LIKE YOU SHOULD REACH OUT TO THE CHAMBER AND GET THEM BEHIND YOU. 
          AND, AND IF YOU COULD HAVE A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES AS YOU LAUNCH READY TO GO, THAT WOULD BRING IN, YOU KNOW, THEIR COLLEAGUES AND OTHER FOLKS. 
          YEAH, I, I FULLY AGREE WITH THAT. 
          WE DO HAVE A PLAN FOR ARIZONA WATER COMPANY TO REACH OUT, TO CONNECT WITH THE CHAMBER TO INTRODUCE THE PROGRAM AND THEN GAUGE THE INITIAL INTERESTS, SEE IF WE CAN RECRUIT SOME PEOPLE. 
          'CAUSE I, I FEEL THE SAME WAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          YEAH, VICE MAYOR FOLTZ, UM, FILLING IN ON WHERE YOU DROPPED OFF THIS, THIS NICE TOUCH RIPPLE EFFECT. 
          AND THEN WHAT FOLLOWS THAT, THE NEXT STEP REALLY COULD BE AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM ABOUT REDUCTION. 
          SO THAT'S STILL A NICE TOUCH, BUT IT'S INCENTIVE PROGRAM. 
          SO THAT'S A POLICY ALTERNATIVE THAT THIS BODY SHOULD THINK ABOUT. 
          RIGHT? FLAGSTAFF AND PHOENIX AND TUCSON AND MESA AND ALL THESE OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE SUCH PROGRAMS. AND SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE THINK ABOUT OURSELVES AT ONE POINT. 
           PUT ON YOUR LIST. 
          BRYCE . 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          NICE TO SEE YOU. 
          YEAH, NICE TO SEE YOU TOO. 
          I'LL TURN IT OVER TO NATHAN. 
          BRYCE. 
          BRYCE, GO AHEAD. 
          UH, JUST, UH, UH, ONE, ONE QUICK ADDITION, UH, THAT, UH, I APPRECIATE STEVE, UH, BRINGING UP 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN A, AN EFFORT OF OURS. 
          UH, SO WE'VE BEEN, UM, GOING THROUGH A PROCESS OF WORKING WITH, UH, A CONSULTANT TO HELP US DEVELOP SOME POTENTIAL CODE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THAT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE REFINING GETTING THE FINAL REPORTS AND THE LIKE, AND THAT HAS COMPONENTS OF WATER, UH, ENERGY, UM, CLIMATE RESILIENCE TO IT. 
          AND SO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, AT A FUTURE DATE WILL BE BROUGHT, UH, FOR COUNSEL FOR DISCUSSION THAT COULD HELP WITH MORE OF THAT, THAT CODE PIECE, UH, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OF LIKE HAVING THE CODE ENFORCE IT, AND THEN HAVE THE COLLABORATION WITH RIPPLE EFFECT THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD AT A LATER DATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE READY TO DO THAT? UH, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          UH, ON THAT END OF THINGS, UH, I WANT TO, UH, BRING UP TO SPEED OUR NEW COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND THE LIKE, UH, SO I DON'T , UH, AS WE GO THROUGH THAT. 
          SO, UM, I I THINK IT'LL, IT'LL BE A, A FEW MONTHS BEFORE WE GET THAT BACK TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI. 
          HI. 
          MY NAME IS NATHAN MILLER. 
          IT'S, UH, GOOD TO BE BACK HERE AGAIN. 
          UH, I WORK FOR A COMPANY CALLED MATRIX NEW WORLD. 
          UH, I'M A HYDROLOGIST IN A GROUNDWATER MODEL. 
          I'M GONNA GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON, ON THE WORK WE'RE DOING. 
          IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. 
          I'M GONNA KIND OF FOCUS ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED FROM THE LAST, LAST YEAR'S PRESENTATION. 
          UH, THIS PORTION HASN'T CHANGED, BUT WE, UH, S WATER, PEOPLE 
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LIKE TO TALK IN UNITS OF ACRE FEET PER YEAR. 
          UH, AND JUST, UH, AS A REMINDER, UH, AN ACRE FOOT OF WATER IS ABOUT HOW MUCH, UH, THREE HOUSES USE IN A YEAR. 
          UM, AND, UH, SO JUST YOU'LL SEE SOME OF SLIDES WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING IN ACRE FEET. 
          IT'S 325,851 GALLONS. 
          UH, SO WHAT WE DID IT, WE PRESENTED LAST YEAR, UH, DEMAND ANALYSIS. 
          WE WENT THROUGH AND, AND LOOKED AT THE DEMAND RATES OF ALL OF THE EXISTING USES AND DID SOME PROJECTIONS FOR WHEN ALL OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS BUILD OUT WHAT WE THINK THE DEMANDS WOULD BE. 
          WHAT WE'VE UPDATED THIS YEAR IS WE HAD IDENTIFIED THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL VACANT PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND SO WE ADDED TO OUR DEMAND PROJECTIONS. 
          SOME, WE DID SOME ANALYSIS OF WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN ON THOSE VACANT LANDS. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE NOW ACCOUNTING FOR, FOR SOME DEMAND, FUTURE DEMAND USE ON THOSE, ON THOSE LANDS. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, SO WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH, UH, WITH CARRIE ON THE CITY STAFF, UH, GOING THROUGH EACH INDIVIDUAL PARCEL, UH, LOOKING AT WHAT, WHAT'S POSSIBLE ON, ON EACH PARCEL, WHAT, WHAT THE PLAN IS, AND, UH, COMING UP WITH THE WATER USE FOR EACH. 
          AND, UH, NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, SO THIS IS A, A, A SUMMARIZED VERSION OF WHAT WE HAD PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY. 
          AND THE, UH, LAST COLUMN ON THIS TABLE HERE, UH, IS THE UPDATED, UH, PROJECTED BUILD OUT WATER DEMAND FOR THE CITY. 
          UH, THAT'S, UH, 4,361 ACRE FEET PER YEAR. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, THIS SLIDE IS ALSO AN UPDATED VERSION OF WHAT, UH, WE HAD PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY. 
          UH, THE, THE RED LINE AT THE TOP IS A PROJECTION OF HOW THAT WATER, TOTAL WATER DEMAND FOR THE CITY WILL BUILD UP OVER TIME. 
          UH, THE DASHED RED LINE SHOWS HOW MUCH THAT COULD BE REDUCED, UH, WITH, UH, CONSERVATION MEASURE MEASURES PUT INTO PLACE. 
          UH, AND THEN THE BOTTOM OF THE CHART, THE KIND OF BROWNISH COLOR SHOWS THE ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF EFFLUENT SUPPLY. 
          SO IF, IF THE, UH, EFFLUENT COULD BE MADE, MADE, UH, FULL USE OF THE EFFLUENT IS MADE, THEN THAT COULD REDUCE THE, THE TOTAL DEMAND ON GROUNDWATER. 
          SO THE BLUE PORTION REPRESENTS KIND OF HOW MUCH, UH, GROUNDWATER WOULD BE NECESSARY IF, IF BOTH CONSERVATION AND EFFLUENT, UH, MEASURES ARE TAKEN FULLY INTO ACCOUNT. 
          I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE GROUNDWATER MODEL. 
          THIS IS A REPEAT OF WHAT I DID BEFORE. 
          SO WE, UH, AND, AND OTHERS HAVE PRESENTED ON BEFORE. 
          UH, THE, THE GROUNDWATER MODEL, UH, IS, IS BUILT TO REPRESENT THE HYDROLOGY OF THE SYSTEM AND THE GEOLOGY OF THE SYSTEM. 
          UH, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, THIS SHOWS A CROSS SECTION OF, UH, OF THE EARTH AND THE, UH, UH, THE, THE UNITS, THE GEOLOGIC UNITS THAT COMPRISE THE AQUIFERS THAT ARE, UH, THAT WE PUMP FROM TO, TO, FOR THE WATER SUPPLY. 
          UH, AND, AND THE GROUNDWATER MODEL IS CONSTRUCTED TO REPRESENT THESE, THESE AQUIFER UNITS. 
          UH, PRIMARILY IT'S THE COCONINO AQUIFER IN THE RED WALL AQUIFER IN THE SEDONA AREA. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, QUICK UPDATE ON THE HYDROLOGY. 
          UH, JOHN PROBABLY BE BETTER AT PRESENTING SOME OF THIS . 
          UH, AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE ARE NINE ACTIVE WELLS, UH, THAT WITH DEPTHS THAT RANGE FROM 700 TO OVER 1100 FEET. 
          UH, AND MOST OF THE, THE WELLS WITHDRAW WATER FROM THE SUPAI FORMATION, WHICH IS PART OF THE SEA AQUIFER. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE, UH, THAT ARE PENETRATED DOWN INTO THE, TO THE RED WALL LIME STALL LIMESTONE R AQUIFER. 
          UH, WE UPDATED THIS SLIDE FROM PREVIOUSLY. 
          UH, THERE IS, UH, I WOULD SAY A, A SLIGHT DECLINE OVER TIME IN THE WATER LEVELS, UH, IN, IN MEASURED IN THE WELLS. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE THE AVERAGE OVER THE PERIOD OF RECORD HERE PRESENTED IS, UH, JUST UNDER ONE FOOT PER YEAR. 
          UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PRIMARILY A RESPONSE, UH, UH, TO DUE TO THE PUMPING OF THE, OF THE WELLS OVER TIME. 
          AND THIS, UH, IS AN UPDATE OF THE SHOWS HOW MUCH, UH, WATER'S PUMPED. 
          UH, OUT OF THE, THE, UH, THE WELL FIELD, THERE'S A LITTLE OVER 3000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR ON AVERAGE. 
          UM, CURRENTLY. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, THIS IS A, A REPEAT OF WHAT I PRESENTED EARLIER. 
          TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS MODEL. 
          IT'S, IT'S THE MODEL THAT WE USE, UH, TO, TO SIMULATE GROUNDWATER CONDITIONS IN THE AREA. 
          IT'S BASED ON THE NORTHERN ARIZONA REGIONAL GROUNDWATER FLOW MODEL THAT WAS, UH, DEVELOPED BY THE USGS. 
          UH, AND MY MODELING TEAM HAS WORKED WITH THAT MODEL FOR SEVERAL DIFFERENT EFFORTS, INCLUDING SOME WORK WE'VE DONE WITH THE COCONINO PLATEAU WATERSHED PARTNERSHIP. 
          UH, AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WORK WE 
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DID FOR THE PARTNERSHIP. 
          UH, WE, UH, HONED IN ON THE CONDITIONS IN THE SEDONA AREA AS WE DID, UH, UH, UPDATE AND RECALIBRATION OF THE MODEL IN 2024. 
          UM, THIS IS JUST KIND OF A SCHEMATIC THAT SHOWS HOW WE, WHAT THE MODEL IS REALLY COMPRISED OF. 
          AS I MENTIONED, IT REPRESENTS THE, UH, AQUIFER UNITS IN THE AREA, AND IT'S BASICALLY A SYSTEM OF, OF CELLS THAT SOLVE THE GROUNDWATER FLOW EQUATION. 
          AND, UH, WE'LL, WE WILL, UH, SAVE, WE'LL DO A MORE DETAILED PRESENTATION ON THAT LATER, UH, WHEN WE HAVE MORE TIME. 
          SO, NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, SO THERE ARE FOUR GROUNDWATER MODEL SCENARIOS THAT WE'VE RUN. 
          UH, WE'VE UPDATED PREVIOUSLY WE HAD PRESENTED, UH, SCENARIOS ONE, TWO, AND THREE. 
          UM, THOSE ARE BASICALLY TO, TO SHOW THE IMPACT ON THE AQUIFER DUE TO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT CONSERVATION MEASURES AND ALSO THE, THE USE OF EFFLUENT. 
          UH, WE'VE ADDED A FOURTH MODEL SCENARIO, WHICH IS REALLY THE SAME AS THE GROUNDWATER ONLY SCENARIO, BUT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT WHAT IMPACTS, UH, UH, THAT CLIMATE CHANGE MIGHT HAVE ON, UH, IMPACT TO THE AQUIFER SO THAT THAT, UH, SCENARIO IS ADDED. 
          AND THEN I'LL, NEXT SLIDE. 
          I'LL START TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE RESULTS OF THESE SCENARIOS. 
          UH, THE, THE SCHEMATIC ON THE LEFT SHOWS, UH, THE, THE WELL FIELD AND, UH, THE, THE WELL THAT HAS A CIRCLE AROUND IT IS, UH, SEDONA. 
          WELL, EIGHT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE FIGURE, YOU SEE THE, UH, UH, BASICALLY THIS IS A HYDROGRAPH SHOWING WATER LEVEL, A CHANGE OVER TIME. 
          UH, THE GREEN LINE ON THE GRAPH THERE SHOWS IF, IF ALL THE DEMAND IS MET WITH GROUNDWATER, THIS IS THE PROJECTED, UH, UH, GROUNDWATER LEVEL OVER TIME. 
          AND THEN THE BLUE LINE REPRESENTS IF CONSERVATION MEASURES ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, UH, HOW THAT WOULD CHANGE. 
          AND THEN THE ORANGE LINE IS WITH BOTH CONSERVATION AND EFFLUENT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. 
          AND YOU COULD SEE AT THIS WELL, AND UNDER THE GROUNDWATER ONLY SCENARIO, THE AQUIFER IS PROJECTED TO DE DECLINE, UH, 95 FEET IN A HUNDRED YEARS, UH, WITH THE GROUNDWATER ONLY SCENARIO. 
          AND, UH, IT IMPROVES QUITE A BIT IN THIS WELL, UH, WITH THE CONSERVATION AND, AND EFFLUENT RE REUSE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. 
          THE, THE CLIMATE CHANGE SCENARIO DIDN'T HAVE VERY MUCH IMPACT ON, ON THE PROJECTED DRAWDOWN IN THE SWELL. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND, UH, WELL, IN THE NORTHEAST PART OF TOWN, SEDONA, WELL, NINE, UH, SIMILAR RESULTS IN THAT THE GROUNDWATER ONLY, UH, WAS ABOUT 111 FEET IN A HUNDRED YEARS. 
          UH, HOWEVER, THE, UH, IMPACTS OF CONSERVATION AND AND AFFLUENT WERE WEREN'T AS DRAMATIC IN THIS WELL, UH, AND, UH, BUT SIMILAR IN ALL, ALL OF THESE WELLS, I'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU, UH, THE CLIMATE CHANGE DIDN'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE PROJECTED DECLINE. 
          AND LASTLY, UH, VALLEY VISTA, UH, SEDONA GOLF COURSE. 
          WELL, UH, DOWN IN THIS AREA, THE PROJECTED DRAWDOWN IS A MORE, IT'S ABOUT 200 FEET WITH THE GROUNDWATER ONLY SCENARIO. 
          AND, UH, AND, AND A LITTLE BIT BETTER WITH BOTH THE CONSERVATION AND EFFLUENT REUSE SCENARIOS. 
          SO, UH, IN CONCLUSION, YOU KNOW, WE'VE RUN THIS MODEL, IT, IT'S SIMULATING THE BUILD OUT DEMANDS FOR SEDONA. 
          UM, WE'VE UPDATED THE MODEL AND RECALIBRATED IT TO, TO SIMULATE SPECIFIC, UH, MEASUREMENTS AND OBSERVATIONS WITHIN THE SEDONA AREA. 
          UM, THE PREDICTIVE SCENARIOS SHOW THAT THE DEPTH TO WATER, UH, IN A HUNDRED YEAR RANGES FROM 420 FEET DOWN TO 790 FEET BELOW LAND SURFACE. 
          AND, UH, A HUNDRED YEAR DRAW DOWN RANGES FROM UP TO 200 FEET. 
          UH, AND, UH, BASED ON THE RESULTS OF THIS MODEL, IT DOES DEMONSTRATE THAT IN THE SEDONA AREA, THAT THE, UH, THAT IT MEETS THE ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY STANDARDS, UH, FOR DEMONSTRATING ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY TO THE DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR NATHAN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          WERE, DID YOU DO THE WORK FOR THE COCONINO PLATEAU WATER PARTNERSHIP? YES. 
          IS THIS MODEL THAT YOU'VE USED ANY DIFFERENT, DID YOU MAKE ANY NEW CHANGES SINCE THAT LAST MODELING EFFORT THAT WE DID WITH YOU? THE, THE LAST, IT'S BASICALLY WE DID THAT CONJUNCTIVELY. 
          SO WE, WE FOCUSED IN ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN SEDONA AREA, BUT WE, AT THE SAME TIME, WE, WE DID A RECALIBRATION EFFORT, UH, MODEL PIED THE SAME CLIMATE. 
          I KNOW THAT WE HAD A BIG DEBATE ABOUT THE CLIMATE ASSUMPTIONS AND HOW TO TREAT THAT. 
          ARE YOU DOING IT THE SAME WAY THAT WE DID THE STUDY BEFORE? YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT DEMAND PROJECTION SLIDE? THIS GRAPH ALWAYS FASCINATES ME, AND I TRY TO UNDERSTAND EXACT NO, THE, THE, UH, THE CHART WITH THE BROWN AND THE BLUE AND THE  HMM. 
          GO UP A COUPLE MORE. 
          SLIDE ONE MORE 
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BACK BACKWARDS. 
          A COUPLE MORE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE BROWN AND THE BLUE SHOULD BE YOUR 30TH PAGE. 
          30. 
          YEP. 
          30. 
          30. 
          YEP. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO I, I ALWAYS LOOK TO SEE WHAT IS IT WE'RE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH THIS CHART? THE BROWN IS, THE BROWN COLOR IS A RECORD OF THE AFFLUENT SUPPLY THAT WE'VE TREATED IN THE CITY OF SEDONA OVER TIME IS, IS AND THEN A PROJECTION MOVING FORWARD. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S BASED ON, IT'S BASICALLY A 33%, UH, OF THE TOTAL DEMAND. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND, AND THAT THERE THEREBY REDUCES THE RELIANCE ON GROUNDWATER. 
          FIFTH, ALL OF THAT IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. 
          SO, BUT WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE LINE DRAWN IS TO, NO, IT'S NOT EVEN TODAY, 2024, THE, THE LEFT END OF THE CHART. 
          WE HAVEN'T USED ANY EFFLUENT SUPPLY IN THE WATER SUPPLY YET. 
          SO THAT, THAT END OF THE CHART ALWAYS CONFUSES ME ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO IMPLY THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT WHAT COULD BE ADDED TO THIS ANALYSIS WOULD BE SOME PROJECTION OVER TIME OF, OF HOW THAT WOULD, UH, BE TAKEN INTO, YOU KNOW, COME INTO PLAY. 
          UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          IT, IT'S JUST SHOWING A STRAIGHT PERCENTAGE AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 34 88, THE TOP OF THE BLUE AND THE BOTTOM OF THE BLUE. 
          12 OF 86 IS 2202. 
          THAT'S HOW MUCH YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN SUPPLYING OVER TIME, ESPECIALLY ON THE LEFT END OF THE CHART. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? ? YEAH. 
          ON THE, ON THE, ON THE RIGHT END OF THE CHART. 
          THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS REPRESENT WHAT HAPPENS AT, AT BUILD OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THE LEFT END OF THE CHART, IS THAT ACCURATE TO ACTUALLY WHAT YOU'VE BEEN SUPPLYING IN THESE PREVIOUS YEARS? THE, YOU KNOW, THE EFFLUENT HASN'T THAT, THAT'S JUST A MEASURE OF AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH EFFLUENT THERE IS. 
          IT, IT DOESN'T REFLECT EFFLUENT THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO TO USE. 
          YEAH, I WAS LOOKING INTO BLUE SECTION THAT, THAT, THAT GAP BETWEEN THE TOP OF THE BOTTOM IS 22 A HUNDRED ACRE FEET, ROUGHLY. 
          AND IT LOOKS PRETTY CONSISTENT OVER TIME. 
          IT HASN'T GROWN, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T GROW VERY MUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THE TOP LINE, THE RED LINE REPRESENTS THE ACTUAL WATER USE, UH, OR ACTUAL WATER SUPPLY, WHICH IS, UH, YOU KNOW, LOW. 
          THE, THE WATER DELIVERED IS A LITTLE OVER 3000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR. 
          AND THAT, MAYBE IT'S JUST ME, BUT I'M STILL CONFUSED ABOUT, I'M CONFUSED WHY THE EFFLUENT IS EVEN SHOWN ON THIS CHART IN THE PREVIOUS YEARS. 
          'CAUSE YOU, 'CAUSE WE ARE NOT USING EFFLUENT FOR, FOR, UH, TREATED EFFLUENT FOR WATER SUPPLY YET. 
          SO JUST THE EXISTENCE OF THE LEFT SIDE OF THE CHART HAS ALWAYS CONFUSED ME. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO INTERPRET IT OR WHAT MESSAGE YOU'RE TRYING TO SEND TO ME. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, IF THE RED LINE IS THE TOTAL DEMAND THAT INCLUDES THE EFFLUENT, WHICH ISN'T REALLY PART OF THE DEMAND YET ON THAT LEFT SIDE OF THE CHART. 
          SO IT IS MY QUESTION CLEAR? YEAH. 
          YES. 
          I I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. 
          IT, IT ISN'T PART OF THE SUPPLY YET. 
          SO IT, IT, THE CHART, UH, ONE READ OF THE CHART, YOU MIGHT THINK THAT, THAT WE'RE IMPLYING THAT IT'S PART OF THE SUPPLY, BUT IT'S, IT'S, I THINK COUNSELOR KINSELLA HAD SAID, WHAT ABOUT RECHARGE? AND SURE. 
          RECHARGE IS MAYBE A THIRD OF WHAT WE DO AT, AT, AT, AT THE PLANT. 
          AND SO YEAH, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE NUMBERS ARE. 
          I'M KIND OF LOOKING. 
          AND THEN COUPLED WITH THAT, I LOOK AT THE EFFLUENT SUPPLY, WHICH IS I THINK A MEASURE OF WHAT WE TREAT PROJECTED GOING FORWARD. 
          AND THAT'S NOT CHANGING VERY MUCH, BUT YOUR WATER DEMAND IS CHANGING OVER TIME. 
          AND SO I'M KIND OF CONFUSED ABOUT THE CONSISTENCY OF THE PROJECTIONS MOVING FORWARD. 
          WE, WE'VE ALWAYS SEEN, AND FROM THE EFFLUENT TREATED EFFLUENT CHARTS THAT WE HAVE SEEN FOR ROXANNE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF FLAT. 
          AND EVEN THE SHORT TERM RENTALS DIDN'T CHANGE US VERY MUCH. 
          AND, AND THAT IS CONSISTENT TO ME LOOKING AT IF THE BROWN LINE IS THE TREATMENT AMOUNT, IT'S STILL KIND OF FLAT. 
          AND I GET THAT, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEN THE WATER DEMAND WOULD BE ON A DIFFERENT KIND OF SLOPE THAN WHAT WE'RE TREATING. 
          THANKS, ROXANNE. 
          , OF COURSE, I BELIEVE IN THIS CHART HERE, THEY HAVE OUR BUILD OUT PROJECTIONS, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S FLAT. 
          IT'S NOT SHOWING OUR CURRENT FLOWS AT THE CURRENT YEAR AND THEN MOVING OUT TO BUILD OUT. 
          THEY JUST HAVE SHOWN THAT BROWN LINE IS JUST OUR FULL BUILD OUT AFFLUENT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. 
          THAT THAT IS CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S NOT SLOPED IN ANY DIRECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          TAG ON, GO AHEAD. 
          OH, IT WAS JUST, YEAH, WHILE, WHILE ROXANNE HAD THE MIC. 
          UM, JUST A REALLY QUICK QUESTION. 
          SO THE RECHARGE WELLS THAT WE HAVE TODAY, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, 
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WHICH MIGHT BE INCORRECT, WAS THAT THE WATER THAT IS GOING, THAT IS BEING RECHARGED DOWN INTO THE AQUIFERS, ACTUALLY NOT WATER THAT WOULD BE USED BY SEDONA, IT'S WATER THAT WOULD BE USED FURTHER DOWN THE PLATEAU. 
          SO LIKE OUR NEIGHBORS, UM, IS THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING CORRECT. 
          SO CORRECT. 
          THE WATER UNDERGROUND AT THE PLANT GENERALLY FLOWS IN A SOUTHWESTERN THE DIRECTION. 
          SO IT DOES FLOW TOWARDS THE VERDE RIVER SPRINGS. 
          YEP. 
          SO JUST TO BE CLEAR TO EVERYONE, THE RECHARGE WELLS THAT WE HAVE TODAY AREN'T ACTUALLY IMPACTING THE WATER SUPPLY FOR THE FUTURE OF SEDONA. 
          THEY ARE IMPACTING THE WATER SUPPLY, SORT OF FOR THE VERDE VALLEY, BUT NOT FOR SEDONA. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT SORT OF CLEAR THAT WHEN WE START TO TALK ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO REUSE EFFLUENT WATER HERE FOR SEDONA, IT'S NOT THE CURRENT RECHARGE WELLS THAT WE HAVE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UM, IT, IT COULD BE . 
          SO WE'LL BE COMING BACK, WE'LL, WE'LL BE COMING TO COUNCIL IN DECEMBER WITH MORE INFORMATION ON HOW, HOW WE CAN USE OUR RECHARGE AFFLUENT IN SEDONA AND, AND WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT YOU'LL BE CHANGING THE WELLS. 
          I I'M ASSUMING WE'LL BE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT I'LL WAIT FOR THAT . 
          YEAH, NEVERMIND. 
          THAT'D BE BEST. 
          NEVERMIND. 
          WHICH, WHICH COUNSELOR DUN IS ACTUALLY WHY I LOOK AT THIS CHART AND GET CONFUSED. 
          BECAUSE IN THE PREVIOUS YEARS FROM TODAY BACKWARDS, NONE OF THE EFFLUENT TREATED SHOULD BE EVEN IN A SUPPLY CHART. 
          'CAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT A SUPPLY FOR SEDONA AT ALL. 
          SO THIS, UH, THIS, AND, AND I THINK I GET IT THAT THIS CHART IS REALLY ABOUT THE MODEL VERSUS THE, THE REAL USE IN PAST HISTORIES. 
          BUT I STILL THINK THIS CHART COULD COMMUNICATE SOMETHING MORE REAL FOR US IF, IF IT WERE SOMEHOW CHANGED, WE'LL HAVE AN IMPROVED VERSION NEXT YEAR. 
          , THANK YOU, BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          SO THE, THE WORD, UH, BUILD OUT HAS BEEN USED, THE TERM BUILD OUT'S BEEN USED MULTIPLE TIMES NOW. 
          UM, WHAT, REMIND ME, WHAT DO WE HAVE INCLUDED IN BUILD OUT VERSUS WHERE WE ARE NOW? BECAUSE CLEARLY THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND MORE HOUSING TO BE BUILT, CREATING MORE DEMAND ON WATER. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT ARE THE ASSUMPTIONS IN BUILD OUT THAT, UH, GET TO, TO WHAT WE SEE MODELED TODAY? THE, THE, UH, DEMAND ANALYSIS THAT WE DID, WE BASICALLY LOOKED AT ALL OF THE SUBDIVISIONS WITHIN THE CITY, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL, UH, THERE ARE VACANT LOTS WITHIN THOSE SUBDIVISIONS. 
          SO WE DID A KIND OF A DETAILED ANALYSIS BASED ON EXISTING RATES OF, OF USE WITHIN THOSE SUBDIVISIONS, PROJECTING OUT WHAT THE, THE DEMANDS OF BUILD OUT DEMANDS OF EACH SUBDIVISION WOULD BE. 
          BUT THEN WE'VE ALSO IDENTIFIED, UH, AS WE PRESENTED TODAY, THE, UH, ALL OF THE, THE OTHER LANDS WITHIN THE CITY THAT, THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME POTENTIAL USE. 
          AND, UH, SO WE DID KIND OF A DETAILED, A DEEP DIVE INTO WHAT WHAT MIGHT THOSE USES BE FOR THOSE OTHER LANDS. 
          SO THE BUILD OUT THAT'S INCLUDED HERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S BASICALLY LOOKING AT ALL OF THE LANDS AVAILABLE AND THE POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT, WHAT THAT WATER USE WOULD BE FOR THOSE LANDS. 
          QUALITATIVELY. 
          I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          QUANTITATIVELY, YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF HARD NUMBERS OF, OH, THIS ASSUMES THAT A THOUSAND HOUSING UNITS ARE GONNA BE ADDED TO THE SYSTEM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          WE DO HAVE, UH, ALL THE DETAIL BEHIND ALL OF THIS ANALYSIS. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE INTEREST OF TIME, WE WEREN'T NECESSARILY GONNA GO INTO ALL OF THAT DETAIL, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY PROVIDE IT. 
          IT'S, UH, IT'S A REALLY CRITICAL QUESTION AS WE FACE A DECISION ON WHAT OUR HOUSING STRATEGY SHOULD BE. 
          I MEAN, CLEARLY WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING A STRAIN ON OUR WATER SUPPLY OR FORCING OURSELVES INTO, UH, AFFLUENT REUSE IF IT'S NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE OR IN AND END. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S REALLY IS, UH, A VERY GERMANE AND CRITICAL QUESTION. 
          UM, THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID? BECAUSE FACTORING IN THE COSTS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US TO UNDERSTAND THE RETURN FOR US OR WHAT WE NEED TO ALLOCATE TOWARDS ANY BUILD OUT FUTURE BUILD OUT, WE DO. 
          SO WHETHER IT'S GOING TO, IT CAN'T IMPACT THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE TO POTENTIALLY SPEND MORE MONEY OR UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS AND, AND DO LESS SO IF WE'RE IN THAT PROCESS RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THE FASTER WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET THIS INFORMATION, IT, IT WOULD REALLY BE HELPFUL TO US, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ALREADY HAVE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SO ON SLIDE 
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34, IF YOU CAN GO THERE. 
          SO AZ WATER, YOU EDUCATED US, AT LEAST ME A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK WHEN YOU SAID OUR WATER SUPPLY IS STABLE, BUT STABLE MEANS IT'S DECLINING. 
          I REMEMBER THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE MINUS 0.9 RATE OF DECLINE, DOES THAT STILL FALL UNDER YOUR DEFINITION OF STABLE? NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          REAL CHANGE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS COMPARED TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE, THAT'S STABLE. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THERE'S CERTAINLY AREAS WITH SIGNIFICANTLY MORE DECLINE THAN THAT. 
          AND THIS COM IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GROUNDWATER MODELING HELPS, YOU KNOW, GIVE US SOME ASSURANCE THAT THERE'S, UH, A ROBUST WATER SUPPLY. 
          BUT ANALYSIS LIKE THE, THE MODELING AND THIS ANALYSIS OF THE EXISTING DATA HELPS, UH, HELPS ARIZONA WATER COMPANY PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. 
          IF, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KNOW BASED ON THE, YOU KNOW, CURRENT PREFERRED INTERVALS OF THE WELLS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT, WHAT THAT WATER LEVEL DECLINE WILL MEAN. 
          UH, AS, AS WE, UH, YOU KNOW, AS IN, IN THE FUTURE YEARS, IF, IF THERE'S GONNA BE NEW WELLS, NEW WELLS NEEDED AT SOME POINT, WE, WE CAN USE THESE PROJECTIONS FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          DEREK, DO THOSE BUILD OUT PROJECTIONS INCLUDE ANYTHING AT THE DEFUNCT CULTURAL PARK OR THE DELLS? UH, YES THEY DO. 
          UH, I DON'T HAVE AT MY FINGERTIPS THE, THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT WE'LL PROVIDE THAT WHEN WE PROVIDE THE DETAILS. 
          BUT YOU'RE ASSUMING SOME LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT OF YEAH. 
          OF BOTH OF THOSE, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALSO, CARRIE, DIDN'T WE, UM, ACCOUNT FOR NEW HOTEL? UM, WHEN WE WENT, OH, SORRY. 
          WHEN WE WENT, WHEN I, UM, I WAS THE ONE WHO WENT THROUGH ALL THE VACANT PROPERTIES. 
          WE DID IT BASED ON A, UM, CURRENT ZONING OR APPROVED PROJECTS. 
          SO THERE'S NOT MANY APPROVED OR HOTELS THAT ARE, OR PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED FOR HOTELS THAT DON'T HAVE HOTELS. 
          UM, SO A, YOU KNOW, A WATER USE WOULD BE PART OF A ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION IF SOMETHING WAS GOING TO CHANGE. 
          BUT, UM, THE, FOR THE PROPERTIES, LIKE THE, UM, THE WOODEN SOLDIERS PASS THAT HAS THE APPROVED HOTEL, WE USED THE NUMBERS THAT THEY PRO PROVIDED AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AS PART OF THE MODELING FOR THE VACANT PROPERTIES WITH NOTHING APPROVED. 
          WE USED CURRENT ZONING AND DID A, AN AVERAGE OF WHAT WOULD TYPIC YEAH. 
          WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD NUMBER FOR, SO CARRIE, UM, YOU, YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING THAT SORT OF SADLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION AND YOU TALKED ABOUT CURRENT ZONING, AND YET WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE PROJECTS ON YOUR PART OF THE WEBSITE THAT TALK ABOUT REZONING THAT IS BEING REQUESTED, WHICH WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE POTENTIALLY THE USAGE ON THAT LAND. 
          SO HOW, HOW DOES THIS WORK TOGETHER WHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU BRING IN FRONT OF US A ZONE CHANGE REQUEST THAT COULD RADICALLY CHANGE WHAT GOES INTO THAT AREA AND THEREFORE THE USAGE OF THE WATER WITH THE WATER COMPANY AND WHAT THEY'VE CURRENTLY ESTIMATED IS BUILD OUT? YEAH, SO WHEN A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT COMES TO US, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO TALK TO ALL THE UTILITY COMPANIES AS, UM, THEY PROVIDE A LETTER OF SERVICEABILITY, UM, WHERE THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, SHOW THAT THEY'VE AT LEAST HAD SOME INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE UTILITY COMPANIES. 
          AND THEN JOHN IS PART OF OUR REVIEW, UM, PROCESS WHERE HE CAN WEIGH IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE DO, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WATER. 
          HE'S AWARE OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH. 
          UM, AND THEY TALK ABOUT WATER INFRASTRUCTURE AS THE PROJECTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, BUILDING THE UPGRADED INFRASTRUCTURE IF NEEDED. 
          SO JUST FOLLOWING UP A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT, CARRIE, DO YOU RECALL WHAT YOU SUPPLIED TO MATRIX NEW WORLD FOR THE WESTERN GATEWAY AND OR THE DELLS PROPERTY? UM, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT I DID FOR THE DELLS FOR THE, UM, I THINK WE WERE DOING THIS AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE, UM, MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. 
          WE DIDN'T HAVE FINAL NUMBERS, BUT WE USED KIND OF AN, UH, MIDDLE GROUND OF THE PLANS THAT WERE BEING CONSIDERED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE DIDN'T GO, YOU KNOW, TWO HOUSES, BUT WE DIDN'T GO A THOUSAND HOUSES. 
          IT WAS PROBABLY SOMEWHERE AROUND THE THREE 50 TO 400 RANGE. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DO, YOU KNOW, AS WE TALK TO OUR 
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CONSTITUENTS ABOUT WATER SUPPLY AND, YOU KNOW, SEDONAS IN THIS UNIQUE SITUATION BECAUSE WE DON'T CONTROL IT AND WE WORK WITH YOU GUYS AND OUR PARTNERSHIP HAS BEEN GOOD, BUT IT ALSO PUTS US IN KIND OF A WEIRD SPOT I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, BECAUSE CARRIE JUST MENTIONED LETTER OF SERVICEABILITY ASSURED WATER SUPPLY, ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY. 
          THESE ARE TERMS THAT GET THROWN AROUND LOTS. 
          AND I THINK MANY PEOPLE HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE A HUNDRED YEAR DEMONSTRATION, WHICH IS REALLY PART OF A ASSURED WATER SUPPLY. 
          AND THAT'S GENERALLY TALKED ABOUT WITHIN AMAS, BE IT, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. 
          THERE ARE CITIES LIKE, UH, CLARKDALE AND COTTONWOOD AND CAMP VERDE, WHICH I THINK CONTROL THEIR OWN WATER. 
          THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF AN AMMAS, BUT THEY'VE CHOSEN TO OPERATE AT THE ASSURED WATER SUPPLY LEVEL AND DO WHATEVER STATE CERTIFICATION HAS TO COME WITH THAT. 
          CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST TELL US WHERE IT IS THAT YOU OPERATE ON THE SCALE? ARE YOU, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT A LETTER OF SERVICEABILITY MEANS, AND I'VE ONLY BEEN LEARNING OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS WHAT ASSURED AND ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLIES ARE. 
          WHERE IS IT THAT YOU GUYS ARE OPERATING? I'LL LET TERRY TAKE THE SECOND OR SECOND HALF, BUT THE FIRST HALF THE LETTER OF SERVICEABILITY IS WHEN A CUSTOMER, UH, COMES IN OR A POTENTIAL CUSTOMER COMES IN, WHETHER IT'S A, A RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL OR ANYBODY THAT'S LOOKING FOR WATER SERVICE WHERE IT'S NOT ALREADY ESTABLISHED. 
          AND THE COMPANY, IF THEY'RE IN OUR CER IN OUR CERTIFICATE AREA, LETS 'EM KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE, UM, WE, WE CAN'T PROVIDE SERVICE. 
          BUT IT ALSO IN THE SAME LETTER STATES THAT, UM, THERE MAY BE IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND THEN FROM THERE, ONCE IT GETS INTO THE, WE START WORKING WITH THE CITY ON THE REVIEW PROCESS, THAT'S WHEN IT GOES TO OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT LOOKS AT THINGS LIKE FIRE FLOW AND, UM, AND FIXTURE COUNT AND THE FORMULAS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE OR THE SUPPLY NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE WATER TO WHATEVER THAT DEVELOPMENT MAY BE, BE, BE A SUBDIVISION, BE IT, UH, WESTERN GATEWAY, BE, YOU KNOW, OR ANYTHING THAT WE DO. 
          AND THAT'S NOT JUST SEDONA. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS. YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO TELL TERRY, SUE THE A HUNDRED YEAR DEMONSTRATION OR WHATEVER IT IS. 
          GIVE US SOME CLARITY AS TO WHAT ARIZONA WATER IS. 
          WELL, UM, I'D LIKE JOHN TO ADVANCE TO SLIDE 44 BECAUSE, OH, MIKE EARLY. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE OF THE END. 
          AND SO I HAD, UM, ORIGINALLY PLANNED TO TALK RIGHT BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE CONSERVATION PROGRAM AND THE SUPPLY, AND JUST KIND OF ANCHOR US BACK IN THIS JOINT OBJECTIVE. 
          AND JUST, UH, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE ON WHERE WE'VE BEEN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT AMAZES ME THAT TIME, TIME HAS FLOWN BY SO QUICKLY, BUT REALLY IN APRIL OR SO OF 2023, WE MADE A DECISION BY, WE, WHAT I MEAN, AS ARIZONA WATER COMPANY AND THE CITY MADE A DECISION TO BEGIN A COOPERATIVE WATER RESOURCES PLANNING PROCESS, WHICH WAS TO LAY A FOUNDATION THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO KEEP TRACK OF WHAT WE WERE DOING AND TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS. 
          AND WE HAD AN OBJECTIVE. 
          AND THE OBJECTIVE IS STATED THERE TO CREATE, MANAGE, AND PROTECT A SUSTAINABLE WATER SUPPLY FOR ALL WHO LIVE, VISIT AND DO BUSINESS IN SEDONA. 
          WE HAVE SEVERAL STRATEGIES PRESERVING OUR EXISTING WATER RESOURCES, INCLUDING EFFLUENT IN GROUNDWATER, USE ALL THE SUPPLIES AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE, WHICH IS CODE FOR OUR RIPPLE EFFECT PROGRAM, MITIGATE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH THE GENERAL STREAM ADJUDICATION, AND MAKE SMART DECISIONS ABOUT GROWTH, RIGHT? THOSE WERE ALL THE THINGS THAT WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO AS PART OF THIS EFFORT. 
          SO WE HAVE SPENT, SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE LAID THIS FOUNDATION, AND TODAY, UH, OUR FOLKS HAVE LAID OUT THE, THE LAST PIECES PILLARS, IF YOU WILL, OF THE FOUNDATION. 
          SO WE HAVE A FULL BLOWN MODEL IN PLACE. 
          WE'VE DONE FOUR DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. 
          WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT THE GROUNDWATER TABLE IS STABLE AT THIS POINT. 
          WE HAVE AN UP UPDATE, UPTODATE DEMAND PROJECTION. 
          BUT LET ME DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT HOW THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO WE'VE DONE ALL THIS STUFF TO BUILD THIS FOUNDATION, NOW WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT, AND THEN AS ISSUES EMERGE, WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THEM. 
          SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE WORK THAT, UH, THAT CARRIE AND CARRIE DID WITH MATRIX NEW WORLD LAST YEAR, THAT'S TO GET EVERYTHING UP TO DATE. 
          SO IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE IS CHANGED. 
          WE COULD ALL ALSO DO SCENARIOS. 
          SO IF YOU WANTED US TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT IF WE END UP WITH 10 NEW HOTELS, YOU KNOW, OR, OR PART, UH, LAND EXISTING PROPERTIES HAVE DEVELOPED INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE CAN DO SCENARIOS LIKE THAT. 
          AND, UM, AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE SET EVERYTHING UP IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THESE WHAT IFS. 
          WE CAN DO ADDITIONAL MODELING. 
          WE CAN ALSO PREPARE OURSELVES FOR WHAT ULTIMATELY WILL BE THE ADJUDICATION. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, 
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THERE ARE DEPLETION MODELS, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED AND THERE ARE, UH, CODE OF DEPRESSION MODELS. 
          WE'RE GONNA START, START TESTING HOW THOSE IMPACT THE WATER SYSTEM. 
          SO E EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO REALLY RESPOND TO AND TO PROACTIVELY ADDRESS OUR CHANGING ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND SO THIS IS A, UH, A CHECK-IN THAT WE DO WITH YOU ONCE A YEAR. 
          UH, WE HAVE A WORK PLAN, WHICH I THINK IS ON THE NEXT PAGE FOR THE 20 20 26, WHICH IS IN LINE WITH PRETTY MUCH WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED. 
          UH, SOMETHING THAT IS A, A NEW, UH, ADDITION TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND IMPLEMENTATION OF A PROGRAM FOR THE EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT. 
          SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT PROCESS, WORKING COOPERATIVELY WITH YOUR STAFF RIGHT NOW TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WHAT CAN WE DO? HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM? AND THESE ARE NOT PROBLEMS THAT ARE SOLVED OVERNIGHT. 
          SO, UM, THEY BECOME A PART OF OUR WORK PLAN. 
          WE WORK TOGETHER TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, AND, UH, AND WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE ADJUDICATION. 
          SO I, I BELIEVE I'M ACTUALLY VERY PROUD OF THE WORK. 
          AND, AND BELIEVE ME, I'M NOT THE ONE DOING THE WORK. 
          , THESE FOLKS ARE DOING THIS WORK AND THEY'VE DONE AMAZING WORK SETTING IT UP. 
          IT'S NOT JUST MY STAFF, BUT YOUR STAFF OF SETTING UP A FOUNDATION THAT WE CAN USE TO START TO HELP YOU ANSWER, MAYOR, THE EXACT QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THEN THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND, AND I DO, YOU KNOW, THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GREAT WORK THAT WE'RE DOING TOGETHER AND I THINK THE PARTNERSHIP IS, IS WORKING WELL, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION. 
          ARE, ARE YOU OPERATING UNDER AS ZONE WATER OPERATING UNDER AN ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY CERTIFICATION MODEL? SO, SO WHAT I WILL SAY, AND WHAT I TELL EVERYONE IN EVERY WATER SYSTEM THAT WE ARE IN IS THAT I DON'T CARE WHAT THE ASSURED WATER SUPPLY RULES SAY OR DON'T SAY, WE ARE HERE FOREVER. 
          WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE A SUSTAINABLE WATER SUPPLY TO OUR CUSTOMERS FOREVER. 
          THERE IS NO A HUNDRED YEARS, THERE IS NO 50 YEARS, THERE IS NO ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY, THERE IS NO ASSURED WATER SUPPLY. 
          WE ARE HERE TO PROVIDE WATER TO OUR CUSTOMERS IN PERPETUITY, AND WE WILL MEET WHATEVER STANDARD HAS TO BE MET IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          NOW, FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU'RE ASKING SPECIFICALLY THE PROGRAM THAT IS IN EFFECT OUTSIDE OF THE AMAS IS AN ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY PROGRAM. 
          WHAT THAT IS, IS THEY CAN, PEOPLE CAN COME AND GET A CERTIFICATE OF ADEQUACY IF THEY DO NOT PROVE THAT THERE IS AN ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY. 
          THEY HAVE TO, UH, THEY HAVE TO MAKE THAT INFORMATION KNOWN ON THE PLAT. 
          SO YOU CAN STILL BUY A HOME THAT'S LOCATED IN A SUBDIVISION THAT'S USING A WATER SUPPLY THAT DOESN'T PROVIDE A 100 YEAR WATER SUPPLY. 
          UM, YOU JUST HAVE TO KNOW THAT WHEN YOU BUY THAT HOUSE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE SEEN FROM THE MODELING, WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM THE MODELING, THAT THAT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE IN THIS AREA. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH THE LEGAL STANDARD IS AN ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY, THAT IS NOT THE PRACTICAL REALITY OF WHAT WOULD BE GOING ON HERE. 
          NOW, THERE MAY BE AREAS HYDROLOGY IS VERY AREA SPECIFIC. 
          IN PARTICULAR AN AREA LIKE THIS. 
          AND NOW I'M, NOW I'M PRETENDING TO BE A HYDROLOGIST, BUT IT, THERE ARE DIFFERENCES IN THE AQUIFER. 
          AND SO IF A, IF A PROJECT IS GOING TO BE, UM, BASED IN AN AREA WHERE THERE IS, WHERE THERE ARE SPECIFIC GROUNDWATER ISSUES, THEN THERE COULD BE PROBLEMS. I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS HOW IS IT THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE OF AN A MA CAN MAKE THE ADEQUACY PROGRAM BE AN ASSURED WATER SUPPLY PROGRAM BY LAW? IS THAT CORRECT? YY YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS AN, THERE IS AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. 
          UM, AND UH, I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO SAY COTTONWOOD AND CLARKDALE AS BEING ENTITIES THAT HAVE DONE THAT. 
          WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS WHETHER WE CAN DO THAT AS A PRIVATE UTILITY. 
          IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC UTILITY MILLING, UH, THE WATER PROVIDER HAS TO BE OPERATED OWNED BY THE CITY. 
          I WILL FIND OUT THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. 
          IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN LOOK FOR SOME LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY ITSELF TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER THERE'S A PRIVATE WATER COMPANY. 
          AND WE WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO, UM, DEVELOP THAT LEGISLATION. 
          WITHOUT GOING INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE DIFFERENCE MIGHT BE? TECHNICALLY, IS THERE ANYTHING, UH, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO UNDER AN ASSURED WATER SUPPLY, THE A HUNDRED YEAR DEMONSTRATION THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING CURRENTLY? SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT WE AREN'T DOING CURRENTLY YES. 
          YOU SAYING TALKING ABOUT ARIZONA WATER COMPANY, THE ARIZONA WATER COMPANY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE AMAS, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REPLENISH THE GROUNDWATER THAT YOU USE IN EXCESS OF SAFE FIELD LEVELS. 
          UM, SO THAT IS A RESTRICTION THAT IS ONLY APPLIED INSIDE THE ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREAS AND IN PARTICULAR INSIDE THE ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREAS THAT ARE WITHIN 
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THE C-A-W-C-D BOUNDARY, THE CENTRAL ARIZONA PROJECT BOUNDARY. 
          SO, AND NATHAN CAN CHECK ME ON THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE OTHER THAN THE, THE, THE, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? UH, IF IT'S NOT ADEQUATE, YOU CAN JUST SAY IT'S NOT ADEQUATE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT'S, UH, ONE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE. 
          AND, AND ANOTHER DIFFERENCE IS TO DEMONSTRATE AN ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY. 
          THE CURRENT, UH, UH, REQUIREMENT IS THAT YOU DEMONSTRATE THAT AFTER A HUNDRED YEARS OF WATER USE, THAT THE DEPTH TO WATER WON'T EXCEED 1200 FEET BELOW LAND SURFACE INSIDE THE AMAS. 
          THEY, UH, IN THE PHOENIX A MA, THAT THAT LIMIT IS A THOUSAND FEET BELOW LAND SURFACE. 
          SAME WITH TUCSON IN THE PINAL ACTIVE MANAGEMENT AREA, IT'S 1100 FEET. 
          SO THAT'S ONE, ONE MAJOR DIFFERENCE. 
          AND AS PART OF THE WORK WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH THE COCO PLATEAU WATERSHED, UH, GROUP, UH, THEY, UH, THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO OTHER WAYS OF, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY CHANGING WHAT'S REQUIRED BECAUSE THERE ARE PARTS OF THE STATE OUTSIDE OF THE AMAS WHERE THE CURRENT DEPTH OF WATER IS ALREADY EXCEEDING THAT 1200 FOOT LIMIT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DRILL DOWN ANYMORE, BUT IT MIGHT BE CITY MANAGER INTERESTING TO UNDERSTAND FROM CLARKDALE AND COTTONWOODS PERSPECTIVE OF WHY THEY CHOSE TO LOOK AT AN ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY DESIGNATION, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE OUTSIDE THE A MA JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE AFTER WHEN THEY WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          WE, WE MAY HAVE TO DRILL DOWN MORE, NEVERMIND, MAYBE . 
          SO, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          APPRECIATE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FEELS LESS DRAMATIC THAN THE CLOSE WE'RE AT NOW, BUT IT GOES BACK TO THAT CHART THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND EITHER ON DEMAND, AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE, AT THE, UH, SO IT'S PAGE 30. 
          I WAS LOOKING AT THE IMPACT OF THE CONSERVATION EFFORTS. 
          SO IT LOOKS LIKE IN, IN 2026, YOU'RE EXPECTING A SMALL AMOUNT OF SAVINGS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YOU SEE ON THE TOP? YEAH. 
          SO, SO THE WAY THAT THIS TABLE WORKS, THE WAY THIS GRAPH, AND WE, WE WILL GO BACK AND REVISE THIS GRAPH, UM, IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT THESE ARE ALL ASSUMPTIONS, RIGHT? SO THIS IS ASSUMING THAT AT THE END OF THE PERIOD WE WOULD HAVE SAVED 20%. 
          AND THEN I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THIS GRAPHIC AND IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE WE'RE EVEN SAYING BY SAY 2032, WE HAVE RE WE WOULD'VE REACHED 20% REDUCTION FROM EXISTING DEMANDS. 
          AND I'D WANT US TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF WE REALLY THINK THAT THAT'S VALID. 
          UM, THAT'S THE QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK YOU 'CAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES IT REALLY KICK IN SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE OF THESE PROGRAMS? YEAH, AND I WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH, WHICH COUNCILMAN ASKED IT, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN YOU VICE SPRING. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO ASKED THE SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT HOW DO WE KNOW IF THESE PROGRAMS ARE EFFECTIVE? AND, UM, SO THE ANSWER TO THAT IS, FIRST OF ALL, WE, WE'VE BEEN, THE FIRST PROGRAM WE LAUNCHED OF THESE WAS IN CASA GRANDE IN 2021. 
          WE ARE JUST NOW EVALUATING THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THAT PROGRAM. 
          SO THE WAY THAT WE ARE DOING THAT IS WE, FROM THE, FROM THE DATE OF LAUNCH, WE NEED AT LEAST 12 MONTHS OF DATA. 
          SO 12 MONTHS PRIOR AND 12 MONTHS AFTER. 
          SO IN THE CASE OF CASA GRANDE, WHAT WE'RE DOING, THERE'S A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          BUT IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL SPECIFICALLY, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE HAVE DIVIDED UP THE RESIDENTIAL, WE'VE SEGREGATED THE RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS, AND WE HAVE LOOKED FOR EVERY SINGLE ACCOUNT WHERE THE, THE ACTUAL PERSON, THE CUSTOMER, IS EXACTLY THE SAME FROM THE YEAR PRIOR TO THE IMPLEMENTATION THROUGH TODAY. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE LOOKED SPECIFICALLY AT THE DEMAND, UH, THE DEMANDS OF THOSE CUSTOMERS, HOW MUCH WATER HAVE WE DELIVERED TO THEM IN THAT PARTICULAR ANALYSIS. 
          AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS WOULD BE TRUE IN THIS, IN THIS ANALYSIS, BUT IN THAT PARTICULAR ANALYSIS WE SHOWED THAT THOSE EXACT CUSTOMERS REDUCED DEMAND IN THE RESIDENTIAL SECTOR SPECIFICALLY BY A LITTLE BIT OVER 10%. 
          SO THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NON-RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, YOU CAN DO A SIMILAR ANALYSIS. 
          UM, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE NON-RESIDENTIAL, YOU CAN ISOLATE ALL THE CUSTOMERS WHO ARE SUBJECT TO THESE VERY SPECIFIC CONSERVATION MEASURES LIKE THE, THE ONE THAT, UM, ALEX IS TALKING ABOUT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTING. 
          WE'VE BEEN DOING AUDITS IN A NUMBER OF FACILITIES, SO WE ARE TRACKING ALL OF THOSE FACILITIES. 
          WE KNOW HOW MUCH WATER THEY USED BEFORE WE KNOW HOW MUCH WATER THEY HAVE USED AFTER. 
          SO, UH, THE, THE, THE PROBLEM WITH THIS PARTICULAR, WITH CONS WITH DETERMINING THE EFFECTIVENESS OF CONSERVATION, WHICH I THINK HAS PLAGUED THIS INDUSTRY FOR YEARS, IS IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO PROVE THAT SOMETHING DOESN'T NOVATION IS ABOUT. 
          SO IT'S ABOUT 
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BUILDING ASSUMPTIONS. 
          HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS WHAT THESE CUSTOMERS WOULD'VE USED? WELL, YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT WILL BE. 
          AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE, WE IMPLEMENTED RIPPLE EFFECT. 
          AND I BELIEVE, CORRECT ME, ALEX CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IN OCTOBER OF 2023. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY, SO I'M NOT THAT OLD YET, I GUESS , SO OCTOBER OF 2023, SO THAT MEANS IN OCTOBER OF 2024, WE HAD 12 MONTHS WORTH OF DATA. 
          SO WE NOW HAVE THE REQUISITE AMOUNT OF DATA ON EACH SIDE. 
          WE HAVE BEEN USING THE CASA GRANDE SYSTEM AS A TEST SYSTEM OF A PILOT SYSTEM SYSTEM TO SEE HOW WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH AND DO A RIGOROUS EVALUATION OF EACH OF THE PROGRAMS. AND SO THAT WILL BECOME A PART OF OUR WORKFLOW EITHER NEXT YEAR OR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. 
          THANK YOU, TERRY. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          ANSWER QUESTIONS VERY CLEARLY AND CONCISELY. 
          , APPRECIATE IT. 
          I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. 
          , ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          THERE'S ONE THING I'D LIKE TO PUT ON THE TABLE FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, AND IT'S KIND OF TOPIC DU JOUR, BUT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT OVER THESE LAST THREE YEARS AND THE, ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE RECEIVED ABOUT OUR WATER SUPPLY, OUR AQUIFER IS IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. 
          AND WAS, SAY IT AGAIN TODAY, A TOPIC DEJURE AMONGST MANY COUNCILS THESE DAYS IS, UH, ANTI-D DATA CENTER, UH, ORDINANCES, YOU KNOW, WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION, HIGH WATER USE STUFF. 
          AND, AND WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE VERY FEW, IF ANY REALLY HIGH WATER USE, UH, INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIALS WITHIN, WITHIN OUR CITY BOUNDARIES. 
          AND SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING, ALTHOUGH IT'S UNLIKELY TO A DATA CENTER TO APPEAR HERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE BACKBONE AND ALL THE REST. 
          BUT NONETHELESS, WE HAVE A, A VERY STABLE, UH, A GOOD CONDITIONED AQUIFER THAT MIGHT APPEAL TO SOMEBODY AT SOME. 
          AND SO WE MIGHT THINK ABOUT WHETHER THAT BECOMES A, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT. 
          OKAY, WHY DON'T WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS AND THEN WE'LL GET STARTED AGAIN. 
          WHATEVER YOU WANT DO. 
          OKAY, WE'RE GONNA START, IF EVERYONE COULD BE SEATED, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [3.b. AB 3241 Presentation/discussion by Coconino County Criminal Justice Coordinating Council regarding their community services and initiatives.]
AB 32 41 PRESENTATION DISCUSSION BY COCONINO COUNTY CRIMINAL JUSTICE COORDINATING COUNCIL REGARDING THEIR COMMUNITY SERVICES AND INITIATIVES. 
          I'D LIKE TO WELCOME THE PRESIDING JUDGE, TED REED, COUNTY ATTORNEY AMAN BARKER, LEGAL DEFENDER JOSEPH CARVER, AND CJCC DIRECTOR DIANA CAL ANDROS. 
          IS THAT HOW YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME? CAL ANDROS? YES, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELCOME MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU HAVING US HERE THIS AFTERNOON. 
          AND WE WILL BE PRESENTING ON THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COORDINATING COUNCIL EFFORTS AND SOME UNIQUE AND INNOVATIVE, INNOVATIVE IDEAS THAT ARE PART OF THE COCONINO COUNTY CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. 
          BUT BEFORE WE BEGIN, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT AND HAVE EVERYBODY KIND OF REFLECT BACK ON THEMSELVES, THE PEOPLE THAT THEY KNOW, AND THE PEOPLE THAT THEY LOVE. 
          AND THINK ABOUT A TIME WHEN YOU MAY HAVE LOOKED DOWN AND REALIZED THAT YOU WERE GOING 60 AND A 45 MILE PER HOUR LIMIT. 
          I KNOW I DID ACTUALLY ON THE WAY HERE, NEVER , WHO WAS OUTSIDE OF FLAGSTAFF AT 89 AND REALIZED THAT THAT'S CRIMINALS BEATING. 
          AND THAT MAYBE AT SOME POINT IN TIME YOU WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH SOMEBODY AND IT WAS GETTING LOUD AND THE WALLS WERE VERY THIN AND YOUR NEIGHBORS COULD HAVE HEARD YOU. 
          OR IF YOU WERE OUT IN A PUBLIC SPACE AND IT ATTRACTED SOME UNWANTED ATTENTION TO YOUR DISCUSSION. 
          OR AT SOME POINT WHEN YOU WERE AT A CELEBRATION AND YOU HAD A DRINK, YOU GOT IN YOUR CAR, YOU DROVE HOME, AND THEN IN HINDSIGHT, THE NEXT MORNING YOU REALIZED YOU REALLY PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE. 
          SO ANY OF THESE OR ALL OF THESE COULD HAVE LANDED YOU IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN AN INTRODUCTION INTO SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE UNFAMILIAR WITH. 
          AND AS PART OF THE EXPLANATION OF HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS, I'M NOW GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, AMMOND BARKER. 
          THANK YOU DIANA, UH, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. 
          UM, MY NAME'S AMMOND BARK. 
          I'M THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. 
          I'VE BEEN A, A PROSECUTOR ABOUT 15 YEARS UP IN FLAGSTAFF IN THE COUNTY. 
          AND, UH, I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO IMPRESS IS WE, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, IS WE WORK IN A HUMAN SYSTEM. 
          WE'RE NOT BUILDING WIDGETS IN A, IN A CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. 
          AND EVERYBODY HAS A STORY. 
          AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT AS WE, UH, TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE OPERATING UP IN COCONINO COUNTY. 
          AND I SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE, YOU KNOW, SEDONA IS PART OF COO COUNTY, PART OF IT, RIGHT? SO, UH, YOU WERE VERY MUCH PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. 
          UM, 
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I WANNA START OUT BY TA TELLING A STORY THAT IS PRETTY COMMON FOR OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM AND IT, AND IT BEGINS, UH, TYPICALLY WITH A NIGHT OF DRINKING, ALRIGHT? UM, AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE DRINK TOO MUCH AND SOMETIMES THEY GET BEHIND, UH, THE WHEEL AND THEY BEGIN TO DRIVE AROUND TOWN AND OCCASIONALLY THEY GET STOPPED, RIGHT? AND THAT INVESTIGATION, UM, WHAT WE SEE OFTEN IS THAT INVESTIGATION WILL, WILL YIELD OTHER EVIDENCE. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, I WANT YOU TO IMAGINE THAT THERE WAS PARAPHERNALIA, UH, DRUG PARAPHERNALIA IN ARIZONA THAT IS A FELONY OFFENSE. 
          IT'S A CLASS FOUR FELONY TO HAVE A POSSESSION OF DRUGS. 
          PARAPHERNALIA WOULD BE A CLASS SIX FELONY OFFENSE. 
          AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT OFFICER IS NOW GOING TO ARREST THIS PERSON AND THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT PERSON TO JAIL. 
          AND THAT BEGINS A PROCESS IN OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT WE SEE EVERY DAY IN COCONINO COUNTY. 
          AND THAT'S NOT UNIQUE TO COCONINO COUNTY, BY THE WAY. 
          THIS IS YAVAPAI COUNTY. 
          IT'S ALL OVER ARIZONA. 
          UM, THIS IS HOW IT OPERATES. 
          UM, AND AS THAT PROCESS PROCEEDS, THERE WILL BE, UH, CERTAIN STEPS THAT HAVE TO BE, UM, ADHERED TO UNDER THE RULES. 
          THE CRIMINAL RULES, ONCE THE ARREST IS IS DONE AND THAT PERSON IS TAKEN TO JAIL, UM, THERE IS 24 HOURS, THE CLOCK RUNS, THERE'S 24 HOURS ONCE BOOKING STARTS, UM, BEFORE THAT PERSON NEEDS TO SEE A JUDGE. 
          AND THAT'S CALLED THE INITIAL APPEARANCE. 
          AND AT THE INITIAL APPEARANCE IS WHEN CERTAIN QUESTIONS ARE ASKED, UM, ABOUT IS THIS PERSON A RISK TO THE COMMUNITY? WILL THIS PERSON, UH, IS THIS PERSON A FLIGHT RISK? WILL THEY COME BACK IF RELEASED? THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN QUESTIONS. 
          THE JUDGE AT INITIAL APPEARANCE IS, IS ASKING THEMSELVES AS THEY DECIDE WHETHER TO RELEASE A PERSON INTO THE COMMUNITY AGAIN. 
          UM, AND THIS IS ALSO A TIME WHERE OFTEN IF THERE'S A VICTIM INVOLVED, A VICTIM WILL BE AT THE HEARING, OR A PROSECUTOR MAY, UH, BE AT THE HEARING TO OPPOSE RELEASE. 
          AND THIS IS, AGAIN, I JUST WANT YOU TO, TO IMAGINE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE SINGLE CASE, RIGHT? IT STARTS TO GET FAIRLY LARGE. 
          THE SPHERE, THE RIPPLE EFFECT OF ONE CASE GETS QUITE LARGE. 
          UM, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A JUDGE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROSECUTOR, CERTAINLY A DEFENSE ATTORNEY AT THIS POINT IS INVOLVED EITHER APPOINTED OR, OR HIRED, UM, MAYBE A VICTIM, MAYBE A VICTIM ADVOCATE. 
          UH, PROBATION OFFICER MAY BE ON ON HAND AS WELL SO THAT THEY CAN DETERMINE THE RISK LEVEL. 
          UH, OFTEN, UH, PROBATION OFFICERS ARE, UH, LOOKING AT TOOLS TO DETERMINE RISK TO THE COMMUNITY OF THE PERSON. 
          AND ALL THAT, AGAIN, IS HAPPENING IN THAT FIRST 24 HOURS. 
          UH, AFTER DETENTION, UM, AFTER THE INITIAL APPEARANCE, THERE'S A A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE, UH, A PROSECUTING OFFICE HAS TO DECIDE WHETHER TO CHARGE A CASE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE MY OFFICE. 
          AND THAT CHARGING DECISION IS NOT SOMETHING WE TAKE LIGHTLY. 
          OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE TO HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE. 
          BUT FOR OUR OFFICE, WE DON'T CHARGE A CASE UNLESS WE HAVE A REASONABLE LIKELIHOOD OF CONVICTION. 
          AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO JUST GO INTO A, A TRIAL WITH PROBABLE CAUSE. 
          'CAUSE WE WON'T BE ABLE TO MEET OUR BURDEN, WHICH IS BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. 
          SO WE NEED TO HAVE MORE THAN PROBABLE CAUSE. 
          THAT'S OUR ETHICAL STANDARD FOR OUR OFFICE. 
          UM, AFTER THAT 24 HOURS, WE REALLY HAVE, IF WE WANT TO KEEP THAT PERSON IN CUSTODY, WE HAVE 48 HOURS TO FILE A COMPLAINT, UM, THAT JUST KEEPS THAT PERSON IN CUSTODY. 
          BUT WE HAVE TO AT SOME POINT, UM, EITHER FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THE COURT, UH, WHERE THE COURT WILL MAKE A DETERMINATION OF PROBABLE CAUSE, OR WE HAVE TO GO TO A GRAND JURY WHERE AN AN INDICTMENT WILL BE ISSUED. 
          AGAIN, THE, THE STANDARD HERE IS PROBABLE CAUSE. 
          BUT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING BEYOND THAT BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA STOP THERE. 
          AND AT THE GRAND JURY PRESENTATION, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FAIR TO THE DEFENDANT. 
          WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GRAND JURY UNDERSTANDS THE LAW AND, UH, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT SWAYED BY THE EMOTIONS OF THE INCIDENT. 
          UM, AND MANY OF OUR CASES GO THROUGH THE GRAND JURY PROCESS. 
          I WOULD SAY MAJORITY OF OUR CASES GO THROUGH, UH, THE JUSTICE COURTS, WHICH ARE LIMITED JURISDICTION COURTS, AND THAT'S VIA COMPLAINT. 
          SO WE'LL FILE DIRECTLY MANY OF OUR CASES TO THE JUSTICE COURTS. 
          UM, AND AFTER THAT STAGE, THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE CASE STARTS TO, UM, INVOLVE EVEN MORE PEOPLE, RIGHT? WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE PLAYERS, BUT ONCE AND ONCE THAT COMPLAINT IS FILED OR AN INDICTMENT IS FILED WITH THE COURT, UM, WE, WE START THAT OFFICIAL COURT PROCESS AND IT BEGINS WITH ARRAIGNMENT. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN WE'VE ALL SEEN IT ON TV. 
          OR MAYBE YOU'VE APPEARED IN COURT OR WATCHED COURT BEFORE, BUT YOU SEE SOMEONE STAND UP BEFORE THE JUDGE AND THEY, THEY, UH, SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT GUILTY, RIGHT? AND THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME WHAT THEY SAY, BECAUSE WHY WOULD THEY SAY THEY'RE GUILTY AT THAT STAGE? RIGHT? WE, WE NEED TO PROVE THE CASE, THE STATE HAS THAT BURDEN. 
          UM, AND AT THAT POINT, UM, IS WHEN, UH, FOLKS LIKE MY, MY, UH, COHORT JOE CARVER, THE LEGAL DEFENDER'S OFFICE, WILL BE MORE INVOLVED AND THEY'LL BEGIN TO TALK TO, UH, TO THE DEFENDANT AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT THIS PERSON HAS IN THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. 
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AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JOE. 
          THANK YOU, AMMOND. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, MAYOR ESTEEM COUNSELORS, I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SPEAK TO YOU THIS, THIS, THIS AFTERNOON, THIS EVENING. 
          UH, MY NAME'S JOSEPH CARVER. 
          I'M COCONINO COUNTY'S LEGAL DEFENDER. 
          SO I RUN AN OFFICE WHOSE PRI PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PROVIDE CONSTITUTIONAL EFFECTIVE REPRESENTATION TO INDIVIDUALS, UM, WHO ARE UNABLE TO AFFORD AN ATTORNEY BUT ARE ENTITLED TO ONE. 
          UH, SO WE HANDLE, UH, THE, THE MAJORITY, MY OFFICE AND THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE, WHICH IS, UH, DISTINCT, A HANDLE, UH, THE MAJORITY OF OF CRIMINAL CASES IN, IN COCONINO COUNTY. 
          UH, AMON LEFT OFF WITH, UH, THE ARRAIGNMENT AND, UM, WHAT HAPPENS? SO YOU CAN ENTER A PLEA AT THE ARRAIGNMENT. 
          GUILTY, NOT GUILTY. 
          AMON MENTIONED ONE REASON WHY YOU MAY NOT WANT TO ENTER A GUILTY PLEA RIGHT AT THE ARRAIGNMENT. 
          UH, ONE IS THE STATE STILL HAS TO PROVE HIS CASE. 
          THE OTHER IS, UH, WE WILL GET TO IN A, IN A FEW MINUTES HERE IS ARIZONA'S MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCING SCHEME. 
          UH, AND HOPEFULLY AT THE END OF MY LITTLE BIT HERE, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND HOW THAT AFFECTS THE DECISION TO, TO ENTER A PLEA OR NOT AFTER, UH, THE ARRAIGNMENT. 
          UH, WHAT ESSENTIALLY OCCURS IS AN EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION BETWEEN THE PROSECUTION AND THE DEFENSE. 
          ARIZONA HAS FAIRLY ROBUST DISCLOSURE RULES, WHICH REQUIRES BOTH SIDES TO PRESENT TO THE OTHER RELEVANT INFORMATION THAT THEY PLAN TO USE AT ANY PROSPECTIVE TRIAL. 
          UH, AND THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT SOMETIMES TAKES WEEKS OR MONTHS TO, UH, TO FULLY FLESH OUT. 
          THIS IS A QUICK EXAMPLE. 
          AMMAN'S OFFICE MAY SEND A CASE OVER, THEY SEND A POLICE REPORT, I'LL REVIEW THEIR POLICE REPORT AND NOTICE THAT, UH, THERE WAS ONE OTHER OFFICER PRESENT THAT HASN'T WRITTEN A REPORT. 
          SO I'LL ASK TO SEE IF THAT REPORT EXISTS. 
          DOES THERE HAVE BODY CAM FOOTAGE? ARE THERE PHOTOGRAPHS? THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          UM, AND IN, IN, FOR THE MOST PART, THIS PROCESS IS VERY, UH, SMOOTH AND, AND THE INFORMATION IS EXCHANGED, UH, PRETTY FREELY. 
          IF NOT, THE JUDGE GETS INVOLVED. 
          BUT WHAT THIS EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION AND THE DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE, THE PROSECUTION AND THE DEFENSE ARE REALLY GEARED TOWARDS IS THE DECISION AT THE CULMINATION OF THE CASE OF WHETHER A DEFENDANT IS GOING TO CHANGE HIS OR HER PLEA FROM THE NOT GUILTY PLEA ARRAIGNMENT TO GUILTY. 
          THAT IS USUALLY PURSUANT TO SOME KIND OF A CONTRACT OR PLEA AGREEMENT BETWEEN, UH, THE STATE AND THE DEFENSE, OR WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA EXERCISE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO A JURY TRIAL. 
          UH, AT, AT LEAST WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FELONIES, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO A JURY TRIAL, AND I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU A SENSE, HOPEFULLY, OF WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR A DEFENDANT IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          UH, SO WHEN A DEFENDANT ENTERS THE SYSTEM, THEY HAVE TO, THEY'RE SUDDENLY CONFRONTED WITH A BEWILDERING ARRAY OF ALIEN WORDS, ALIEN CONCEPTS, UH, THINGS THAT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IN EVERYDAY LIFE. 
          SO YOU'LL HEAR THINGS LIKE A PUBLIC SAFETY ASSESSMENT OR NON INTERVENING INDICTMENT OR, UH, MY FAVORITE, UH, LEGAL TERM IS THE NON HISTORICAL PRIOR FELONY CONVICTION SEEMS TO HAVE A NUMBER OF CONTRADICTIONS BUILT INTO IT. 
          UH, YOU'LL LEARN AS A DEFENDANT THAT ARIZONA HAS SOMETIMES ODD CLASSIFICATIONS OF OFFENSES. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE DOWN AT THE WHOLE FOODS DOWN THE STREET AND YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR, YOU KNOW, REUSABLE SHOPPING BAG AND YOU PUT A WO OF BREAD IN IT AND YOU WALK OUT WITHOUT PAYING, THAT IS A CLASS FOUR FELONY. 
          THAT'S THE SAME AS, UH, BREAKING SOMEBODY'S ARM IN AN ASSAULT. 
          UH, SO THE, IN THEORY, THE PENALTY RANGES ARE THE SAME. 
          AND YOU'LL LEARN THAT, YOU KNOW, TV IS NOT EXACTLY AN ACCURATE PLACE TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR MIRANDA RIGHTS. 
          SO POLICE CAN ARREST YOU WITHOUT GIVING YOU YOUR MIRANDA RIGHTS. 
          YOU ONLY NEED TO DO THAT IF YOU ARE IN CUSTODY AND THEY WANT TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS. 
          WHEN YOU'RE ACCUSED OF A CRIME OR YOU'RE ACCUSED OF DOING SOMETHING, YOUR NATURAL INCLINATION IS TO TELL YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY, RIGHT? THAT'S JUST A HUMAN NATURE. 
          IF, IF, IF I TOLD YOU THAT YOU TOOK MY WATER BOTTLE, YOU WOULD SAY, NO, I DIDN'T. 
          AND HERE'S WHY. 
          I WAS IN THE, IT WAS IN THE HALLWAY OR SOMETHING. 
          YOU, YOU GIVE YOUR STORY. 
          BUT WHEN YOU ENTER THE SYSTEM, YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY NORMALLY WHO'S TELLING YOU TO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE, UH, THE FIFTH AMENDMENT RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT. 
          SO YOU, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, OR YOU'RE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED NOT TO TELL ANYBODY ANYTHING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO RIGHT AT THE MOMENT. 
          AND DEFENDANTS OFTEN HAVE, UH, MULTIPLE STORIES THAT THEY WANT TO TELL AT THE SAME TIME. 
          IT'S OFTEN NOT AS SIMPLE AS, UH, I DIDN'T DO IT. 
          WE'VE ALL HEARD OF OUR JUSTIFICATION DEFENSES, LIKE SELF-DEFENSE. 
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SO IT COULD BE, YEAH, I HIT THAT GUY AND HIT HIM AS HARD AS I COULD, BUT IT WAS IN SELF-DEFENSE. 
          THERE'S A JUSTIFICATION, THERE'S A SELF-DEFENSE STORY THERE. 
          THERE MIGHT BE A STORY ABOUT WHETHER A BROKEN ARM IS SERIOUS PHYSICAL INJURY OR MERELY TEMPORARY, BUT SUBSTANTIAL DISFIGUREMENT. 
          THERE, THERE ARE INTRICACIES WE WOVEN IN TO THESE, UH, WHAT ARE OTHERWISE PORTRAYED IN THE MEDIA AND OTHER, WHERE OTHER PLACES AS BLACK AND WHITE, THERE ARE MANY SHADES OF GRAY. 
          DEFENDANTS ALSO, UH, HAVE STORIES ABOUT THEIR LIFE THAT THEY WANT TO TELL AND ARE ENTITLED TO TELL. 
          THEY HAVE STORIES OF ADVERSITY. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL LEARN VERY QUICKLY IF YOU WORK IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IS THAT THE, YOUR, YOUR AVERAGE OFFENDER HAS ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE, HIGHER INCIDENTS OF TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCES THAN, THAN A NON OFFENDER. 
          SO IF I SEE SOMEBODY COME TO MY OFFICE, THEY'RE CHARGED WITH A CRIME, IT'S A VERY GOOD BET THAT THIS PERSON HAS BEEN A VICTIM OF A CRIME IN THE PAST, UH, HAS EXPERIENCED ADVERSE CHILDHOOD, UH, HAS HAD ADVERSE CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCES, UM, AND HAS OTHERWISE NOT LIVED A LIFE OF, OF PRIVILEGE OR, OR EASE. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S A SAYING IN THE SYSTEM THAT, UH, TODAY'S DEFENDANT IS TOMORROW'S VICTIM AND VICE VERSA. 
          SO THERE'S THIS, THIS, UH, RATHER VICIOUS CYCLE THAT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, UM, IS CHARGED WITH TRYING TO BREAK AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO. 
          AND OFTENTIMES, UH, DEFENDANTS WANT TO TELL OTHER STORIES ABOUT THE GOOD THINGS THAT THEY'VE DONE. 
          CORRECT. 
          THEY ARE IN COURT USUALLY FOR ONE OF THE WORST DECISIONS THAT THEY'VE EVER MADE. 
          AND THAT'S NOT WHO THEY ARE NORMALLY, THAT'S NOT THE DECISION THAT THEY MAKE ALL THE TIME. 
          AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GOOD ABOUT THIS PERSON THAT, THAT THEY WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW BEFORE THE CAGE IS LOCKED AND THE KEYS THROWN AWAY. 
          SO THESE ARE COMPETING NARRATIVES. 
          SOMETIMES THEY'RE COMPETING, SOMETIMES THEY'RE, THEY'RE COHERENT AND HARMONIZED. 
          BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT STORIES THAT A PERSON WANTS TO TELL ONCE THEY GET INTO THE SYSTEM. 
          AND THERE ARE PRECIOUS FEW OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT. 
          UH, THE, THE AVERAGE COURT HEARING DOESN'T GIVE A DEFENDANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO TELL THEIR STORY. 
          USUALLY YOU ONLY GET TO TELL YOUR STORY TO YOUR ATTORNEY AND THE JUDGE AT SENTENCING, OR IF YOU JUST WENT TO TRIAL, YOU CHOOSE TO TESTIFY. 
          SO I ALLUDED TO EARLIER THIS DECISION, THE DECISION BETWEEN TAKING YOUR CASE TO TRIAL OR TAKING A PLEA. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALL THE ARCANE PROCEDURES THAT WE TALK ABOUT, ALL THE RULES, UH, ALL THE, THE BURDENS OF PROOF COME DOWN TO THIS DECISION. 
          THE STATE ALWAYS HAS THE, THE OPTION OF OFFERING HER PLEA. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO, THEY'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO MAKE A PLEA OFFER. 
          THEY DO IN 99.9% OF THE CASE CASES. 
          UH, THEY'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO, BUT WHEN THEY DO, THE DECISION BECOMES THE DEFENDANTS AS TO HOW TO PROCEED. 
          THEY'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN DECIDE WHETHER TO ACCEPT THAT PLEA OR TO TAKE THEIR CASE TO TRIAL. 
          AND I THINK IT'S USEFUL FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT DECISION. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS I DID IT OR DIDN'T DO IT, OR HAVE SOME OTHER VERSION OF EVENTS. 
          AND I THINK ONE WAY TO THINK ABOUT THE, THE PRESSURE COOKER THAT THIS DECISION PLACES PEOPLE IN, IS TO THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE KNOW FOR A CERTAINTY THAT INNOCENT PEOPLE HAVE PLEADED GUILTY TO CRIMES THAT THEY HAVEN'T COMMITTED. 
          WE KNOW FROM DNA EXONERATIONS THAT HAS, THIS HAS HAPPENED ON UNCOMFORTABLY MANY, UH, TOO OFTEN, LET'S SAY. 
          SO HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? EVEN WHEN EVERYBODY IS PLAYING BY THE RULES? HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN? AND IT'S BECAUSE THE SYSTEM PLACES EXTRAORDINARY PRESSURE ON, ON THE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS HAS TO MAKE THIS DECISION. 
          THE PRIMARY FORCE OF THIS IS WHAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, IS ARIZONA'S MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCING SCHEME. 
          ARIZONA'S NOT ALONE. 
          MANY, MANY STATES HAVE THIS TYPE OF A SENTENCING, UH, SCHEME. 
          BUT LET'S TAKE A RELATIVELY INNOCUOUS EXAMPLE OF THE SHOPLIFTING DOWN AT WHOLE FOODS AS A, AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          SO USING A BAG TO TAKE SOMETHING OUT OF A STORE THAT YOU DIDN'T PAY FOR IS CALLED USING AN ARTIFICE. 
          A BAG IS AN ARTIFICE, AND THAT MAKES IT A CLASS FOUR FELONY. 
          OTHERWISE IT'D BE A MISDEMEANOR TO CLASS FOUR FELONY. 
          NOW SAY THAT YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF PRIOR FELONY CONVICTIONS, BECAUSE YEARS AGO WHEN YOU'RE A TEENAGER, YOU GOT INTO A CAR ACCIDENT. 
          AND AT THE TIME, THE STANDARD MEDICAL CARE WAS TO JUST LOAD YOU UP WITH PAIN PILLS AND YOU DEVELOPED AN OPIOID ADDICTION. 
          AND AS A RESULT, YOU'VE, YOU'VE BEEN CONVICTED OF POSSESSION OFFENSES. 
          UH, AND NOW YOU HAVE TWO, NOT NON HISTORICAL, BUT HISTORICAL PRIOR FELONY CONVICTIONS, WHICH 
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MEANS IF YOU TAKE THIS ARTIFICE SHOPLIFTING CASE TO TRIAL AND LOSE, YOU COULD GO TO PRISON FOR UP TO 15 YEARS JUST FOR THE LOAF OF BREAD. 
          SO THIS IS THE, THAT'S THE THREAT ON THE ONE SIDE. 
          THE OTHER THING IS, IS THIS, IS THAT WHOLE FOODS, THERE'S, THERE'S SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS, IT'S ON TAPE, EVERYTHING'S ON TAPE. 
          YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE YOURSELF CLEARLY PUTTING THE BREAD IN THE BAG AND WALKING OUT. 
          BUT THE STORY YOU WANNA TELL IS THAT I DIDN'T INTEND TO DO THAT. 
          I FORGOT ABOUT THE, THE, THE LOAF OF BREAD IN THE BAG. 
          I WENT IN THERE, DECIDED I DIDN'T WANNA SPEND THE PRICES THAT WHOLE FOODS WAS, WAS ASKING FOR ANY OF THIS, AND I WALKED OUT, BUT I FORGOT THAT THE BREAD WAS IN THERE. 
          THE STATE HAS COME TO YOU AND SAID, LISTEN, IF YOU PLEAD GUILTY, YOU GET ON PROB, YOU'LL BE ON PROBATION GUARANTEE, YOU'D BE ON PROBATION. 
          AND IF YOU COMPLETE THAT PROBATION SUCCESSFULLY, WE'LL HAVE THIS DESIGNATED AS A MISDEMEANOR. 
          AND ALSO YOU'VE GOT A YOUNG FAMILY. 
          YOU'RE THE ONLY BREADWINNER, NO PUN INTENDED, BUT THE, YOU'RE MAKING MONEY TO SUPPORT YOUR FAMILY. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT A PLAUSIBLE CASE THAT YOU DIDN'T INTEND TO. 
          YOU CAN TELL YOUR STORY TO A JURY ANYWAY, THAT YOU DIDN'T INTEND TO DO THIS, YOU DIDN'T INTEND TO TAKE THIS BREAD. 
          BUT WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES AT THE OTHER END AND THE EFFECTS THAT THAT WOULD HAVE ON YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, YOU HAVE A DIFFICULT CHOICE TO MAKE AT THAT POINT. 
          DO YOU ROLL THE DICE OR DO YOU GET OUT? WELL, YOU CAN, AND YOU KNOW, NOT EVERY DECISION IS THAT START, BUT THERE ARE A LOT LIKE THAT, UH, IN, IN THIS, IN, IN THE SYSTEM. 
          AND THESE CHOICES, THIS DECISION TO TAKE A CASE TO TRIAL OR TO ACCEPT A PLEA AGREEMENT, UH, IS LOADED WITH PRESSURE. 
          THE DECISION AFFECTS INDIVIDUALS, IT AFFECTS FAMILIES, AND IT AFFECTS COMMUNITIES. 
          AND IN, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER HERE TO JUDGE REED IN A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT HOW IN COCONINO COUNTY, THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IS, IS PIONEERING INNOVATIVE WAYS TO ENSURE OR AT LEAST FOSTER A STABLE, UH, MORE SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY THROUGH THESE DECISIONS THAT GET MADE IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I GOT FOR THIS EVENING. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE JUDGE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM MAYOR AND MR. VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. 
          I'M JUDGE TED REED. 
          I'M THE PRESIDING JUDGE FOR COO COUNTY, UH, WHICH IS A, FOR ME, A REAL PRIVILEGE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK VERY COLLABORATIVELY WITH OUR JUSTICE PARTNERS. 
          THAT INCLUDES THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE, LEGAL DEFENDER'S OFFICE THROUGH OUR WELL IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE COORDINATING COUNCIL, WHICH SWEEPS IN MANY OTHER AGENCIES AND PRIVATE PARTNERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE SUCCESS OF OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IN ORDER TO COME TOGETHER TO TRY TO BEST SERVE THE SAFETY AND WELLNESS OF OUR COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT COCONINO COUNTY. 
          PART OF MY ROLE IS TO HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPERVISION OF ALL OF THE COURTS IN COCONINO COUNTY, WHICH I CONSIDER TO BE PARTNERS IN THE SERVICE DELIVERY THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND WE HAVE A REALLY BIG COUNTY WITH REALLY INTERESTING COMMUNITIES, UH, VERY DIVERSE POPULATIONS, VERY DIVERSE PROBLEMS. AND I LOVE THIS OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO WORK WITH THESE AMAZING COMMUNITIES AND COURTS. 
          SO I'M GONNA PICK UP OUR STORY NOW, UH, WHERE WE ARE AT SENTENCING. 
          SO YOU'VE HEARD PART OF THE STORY, UH, WHERE THE PERSON GETS ARRESTED AND THE TASK BECOMES TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REPRESENTING THE STATE TO MOVE THOSE CRIMINAL CHARGES THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. 
          YOU'VE HEARD THE STORY SWITCH TO THE, THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY'S PERSPECTIVE IN WORKING WITH THE INDIVIDUAL WHO'S IN OUR SYSTEM. 
          ULTIMATELY, THIS PERSON WHO'S THE DEFENDANT HAS COME BEFORE THE COURT FOR SENTENCING. 
          SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH EITHER A TRIAL AND A VERDICT OR A CHANGE OF PLEA, AND NOW WE'RE AT SENTENCING. 
          SO NOW YOU GET TO SHIFT YOURSELVES INTO THIS ROLE OF THE JUDGE, AND YOU'RE AT SENTENCING AND YOU ARE BOUND BY THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE LAW, EITHER FROM THE VERDICT AT TRIAL OR FROM THE TERMS OF THE PLEA AGREEMENT. 
          AND AS YOU'VE HEARD, THERE IS A MANDATORY SENTENCING STRUCTURE, WHICH I THINK IS VALUABLE AND IMPORTANT IN ARIZONA. 
          WHAT THE INTENTION IS THAT INDIVIDUALS COMMITTED, CONVICTED OF THE SAME LEVEL OF OFFENSE SHOULD BE PUNISHABLE WITHIN A CERTAIN SIMILAR RANGE. 
          SO THERE'S NOT THIS HUGE DISPARITY BASED JUST ON JUDGE PROCLIVITIES. 
          THAT SAID, THE JUDGE REPRESENTS THE COMMUNITY IN MANY RESPECTS, IN AND THE WHOLE SYSTEM REALLY IN TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH SOME USEFUL, UH, OBJECTIVE OR SOME USEFUL OUTCOME FOR ANY PARTICULAR 
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CRIMINAL JUSTICE CASE. 
          AND THAT COULD INCLUDE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, AND IT REALLY DEPENDS HEAVILY ON THE PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE CASE. 
          BUT SOME OF THOSE INTERESTS OR OBJECTIVES COULD BE TO SOMEHOW RIGHT THE WRONG THAT WAS, THAT WAS COMMITTED, SOMEHOW HOLD THE OFFENDER ACCOUNTABLE TO SOMEHOW MAKE THE VICTIM WHOLE, TO SOMEHOW PREVENT RECURRENCE, TO TRY TO HELP THIS PERSON SPECIFICALLY NOT GO OUT AND COMMIT THIS OFFENSE AGAIN, COME BACK INTO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM HAVING CAUSED MORE HARM, MAYBE TO SOMEHOW DETER OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY FROM COMMITTING THIS SAME OFFENSE, UH, TO PERHAPS TRY TO CREATE SOME LASTING POSITIVE BEHAVIORAL CHANGE IN THIS PERSON THAT WE SEE BEFORE US, SO THAT THEY CAN THEN BE A, A BETTER MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, A POSITIVE, PRODUCTIVE RATHER THAN A HARMFUL MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY TO SOMEHOW IMPROVE COMMUNITY SAFETY AND WELLNESS, TO EFFECTUATE THE, THE OBJECTIVES OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT TEAM. 
          UH, SOMETIMES IT CAN SIMPLY BE TO INCAPACITATE A PERSON SO THAT THAT PERSON SPECIFICALLY CANNOT COMMIT MORE HARM IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO AMMAN STARTED US OUT WITH A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE UNIQUENESS OF THE WORK THAT WE DO. 
          WE WORK WITH REALLY UNIQUE INDIVIDUALS, WE'RE NOT PRODUCING WIDGETS, AND IT'S NOT A MATHEMATICAL PRODUCTION. 
          MY BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR COURTS, THE EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE DEPENDS HEAVILY UPON THE RESOURCES THAT THE COURT HAS AT ITS DISPOSAL. 
          HISTORICALLY, THE JUDGE AT SENTENCING HAD REALLY TWO OPTIONS, AND ONE OPTION WAS PROBATION. 
          AND THE HISTORICAL PURPOSE OF PROBATION WAS TO, UH, HAVE A PERSON MONITORED WHILE THEY'RE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND IF THAT PERSON WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL, THEN TO BRING THEM BEFORE THE COURT SO THEY COULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. 
          AND THAT ACCOUNTABILITY OFTEN MEANT INCARCERATION. 
          SO THE OTHER OPTION FROM A PROBATION TERM WOULD BE INCARCERATION. 
          AND SO WE HAVE TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE AT THESE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          SO ONE, IN ARIZONA, INCARCERATION IN A JAIL COSTS ABOUT $105 A DAY. 
          THAT'S TO THE TAXPAYERS. 
          OR INCARCERATION IN PRISON COSTS ABOUT $41,000 A YEAR. 
          SO IF THE JUDGE HAS A TASK OF TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THOSE OBJECTIVES, WEIGHING, WEIGHING AGAINST THE COST THAT THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE ARIZONA CITIZENS HAVE TO BEAR, WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE, THE COST BENEFIT RATIO IS. 
          SO, UH, AMON, IF HE WERE TO GIVE YOU A LOT OF STATISTICS ABOUT THE FELONY CASES THAT COME THROUGH HIS OFFICE, UH, WOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT. 
          MOST OF THEM ARE RELATIVELY LOW LEVEL FELONIES. 
          THERE'S THIS TREMENDOUS PERCENTAGE OF LOW LEVEL FELONIES, AND THEN A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF REALLY, REALLY SERIOUS FELONY OFFENSES. 
          SO IF WE ARE TO USE INCARCERATION AS KIND OF A, A PRIMARY GO-TO, TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THOSE OBJECTIVES, SOME OF THE RESULTS WE SEE ARE THAT THOSE PRISON TERMS ARE GONNA BE ABOUT ONE TO THREE YEARS FOR THE MOST PART. 
          SO THE VAST PERCENTAGE IS ONE TO THREE YEARS. 
          AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT GO TO PRISON FOR ONE TO THREE YEARS, THEY COME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          THEY DON'T END UP LEAVING PRISON AND THEN GOING SOMEPLACE ELSE, RATHER THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY IN PRISON. 
          IT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ACCOUNTABILITY, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT HOME, YOU'RE NOT WITH YOUR FAMILY, YOU'RE NOT IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF REHABILITATION. 
          SO REALLY WE'RE THINKING ACCOUNTABILITY CONSEQUENCES IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT PRISON. 
          AND A LOT OF WHAT BRINGS PEOPLE INTO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM CAN BE IDENTIFIED AS RISKS AND NEEDS. 
          AND SO RISKS COULD BE THOUGHT OF HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH IS IT LIKELY THAT THIS PERSON IS GOING TO COMMIT MORE CRIMES, UH, TO CAUSE FURTHER HARM OR TO FAIL PROBATION. 
          AND NEEDS COULD BE DESCRIBED AS WHAT DOES THIS PERSON REALLY NEED IN ORDER TO TRY TO BE HEALTHIER AND A BETTER ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY? SO FOR EXAMPLE, A PERSON COULD BE AT HIGH NEED FOR TREATMENT FOR SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER. 
          SO WHEN A PERSON GOES TO PRISON, THOSE TWO THINGS ARE NOT ADDRESSED IN A POSITIVE WAY. 
          RATHER, A PERSON WOULD VERY, VERY MUCH BE LIKELY TO COME OUT OF PRISON, MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT MORE CRIMES. 
          SO HIGHER RISK, OR NOT HAVING RECEIVED ANY HELP WITH THE VARIOUS NEEDS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE. 
          SO A PERSON GOING TO PRISON WOULD RARELY COME OUT WITH A LOWER RISK OF RECIDIVISM, UH, OR A LOWER NEED FOR THE HELP. 
          SO AGAIN, PRISON IS VERY MUCH NOT ABOUT REHABILITATION, BUT IS PRETTY DARN SOLID FOR CONSEQUENCES OR ACCOUNTABILITY FOR MISCONDUCT. 
          THERE ARE ALSO SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT COME FROM REALLY ANY FELONY CONVICTION, 
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BUT ALSO SPECIFICALLY COMING FROM JAIL AND PRISON. 
          AND SO THAT COULD INCLUDE A CONSEQUENCE THAT A PERSON WOULD LOSE THEIR JOB. 
          SO THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT WITH A, A FINANCIAL STRAIN FURTHER INTO POVERTY. 
          UH, IT CAN CAUSE CONSEQUENCES FOR FAMILY, FAMILY BREAKUP. 
          UH, WHEN A PERSON GOES TO PRISON OR JAIL, THEY MAKE DIFFERENT CONNECTIONS RATHER THAN THE POSITIVE PRO-SOCIAL CONNECTIONS WE MIGHT LIKE AS A SYSTEM, BUT THEY'LL MAKE ANTI-SOCIAL NEGATIVE CONNECTIONS. 
          SO THOSE BEHAVIORS THAT THAT PUT A PERSON INTO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM ARE NOT REALLY, UH, MADE ANY BETTER BY SENDING THEM TO PRISON. 
          UH, SO THESE ARE JUST CONSIDERATIONS THAT A JUDGE HAS TO HAVE WHEN THEY'RE AT THE BENCH AND THEY'RE TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT'S THE OUTCOME THAT WE CAN TRY TO ACCOMPLISH HERE? ANOTHER IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION IS, UH, CALLED CHILDREN OF INCARCERATED PARENTS. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THE CHILDREN, UH, OF PARENTS WHO ARE SENT TO PRISON. 
          UH, THE KIDS SUFFER A LOT, AND SO THERE'S BEEN QUITE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS. 
          AND IT SHOWS THAT, UH, THE CHILDREN OF INCARCERATED PARENTS ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO ENGAGE IN HARMFUL BEHAVIORS, UH, SUCH AS SUICIDAL IDEATION, SUBSTANCE USE, UH, TO BECOME JUVENILE OFFENDERS, TO BECOME ADULT OFFENDERS. 
          AND THE PROBLEM HERE, OF COURSE, OTHER THAN THE INTRINSIC HARM, IS THAT IT CONTINUES THE CYCLE OF HARMFUL BEHAVIOR AND DOESN'T REALLY HELP IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITY SAFETY OR . 
          SO UNDERSTANDING THAT BOTH THAT KIND OF STANDARD, UH, OLDER SCHOOL VIEW OF PROBATION IS AN ESSENTIAL TOOL. 
          AND UNDERSTANDING THAT INCARCERATION IS AN IMPORTANT TOOL. 
          UH, OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE COORDINATING COUNSEL AND JUSTICE PARTNERS HAVE COME TOGETHER TO TRY TO SAY, WHAT'S A BIGGER MENU OF TOOLS OF RESOURCES THAT COURTS AND JUSTICE SYSTEM COULD HAVE AT OUR DISPOSAL TO TRY TO ADDRESS THESE PROBLEMS THAT WE SEE COMING INTO OUR SYSTEM? AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT GOES OUT AND LOOKS FOR CUSTOMERS. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FEWER CUSTOMERS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          UH, RATHER WE HAVE THE CUSTOMERS THAT COME TO THE SYSTEM AND WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO HELP THEM, BUT ALSO HELP THE COMMUNITY IN THE VERY BEST WAY WE CAN. 
          SO OUR APPROACH IS CALLED SEQUENTIAL INTERCEPT. 
          AND THIS CONCEPT IS DEPLOYED FOR VARIOUS CHALLENGES. 
          UH, BUT IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, WE KIND OF IMAGINE A RIVER AND A RIVER CAN BE KIND OF CALM AT THE HEADWATERS, AND THEN MAYBE DOWN THE RIVER IT CAN BECOME VERY TURBULENT, AND YOU CAN HAVE RAPIDS AND, AND LOTS OF DANGER. 
          AMIN WILL COME BACK TO THIS ANALOGY LATER ON. 
          UH, BUT THE SEQUENTIAL INTERCEPT MODEL LOOKS AT THAT KIND OF FLOW THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, UH, BOTH FROM AN ADULT OFFENDER, LET'S SAY THEY'VE COME IN ON THEIR THIRD OFFENSE, THEY GO THROUGH THIS FLOW OF THE SYSTEM, BUT ALSO A CHILD, UH, AN INFANT BECOMES A JUVENILE AND THEN ENTERS THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. 
          THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE SYSTEM TO TRY TO HELP THAT CHILD NOT BECOME A JUVENILE OFFENDER, TO NOT BECOME AN ADULT OFFENDER FOR THE ADULT OFFENDER TO NOT BECOME A REPETITIVE OFFENDER. 
          SO THAT'S THE IDEA, IS TRY TO FIGURE OUT AS MANY DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN TO USE ANY CONTACTS WITH THE SYSTEM, WHETHER THAT'S THE JUSTICE SYSTEM OR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM OR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SYSTEM, IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE DOWN THE ROAD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, UH, TO GET THAT POSITIVE BEHAVIORAL CHANGE SO THAT WE DON'T END UP HAVING THIS DICHOTOMY OF, DO I PUT YOU ON PROBATION OR DO I SEND YOU TO PRISON? KNOWING THAT REALLY THEY'RE NOT THE BEST OUTCOMES. 
          SO WE'VE COME UP WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, INTERCEPTS ON OUR SEQUENTIAL INTERCEPT MODEL. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THEM. 
          AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR AS MANY MORE AS WE CAN FIND WAYS THAT WE CAN HELP DEFLECT PEOPLE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, OUT OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM TOWARDS BETTER BEHAVIOR AND BETTER SAFETY FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO ONE OF THOSE, ONE WAY THAT WE CAN DEMONSTRATE THIS, UH, HAS DEVELOPED IN FLAGSTAFF, IT'S CALLED THE HOPE RECEIVING CENTER. 
          SO THIS IS ACTUALLY AN OLD PART OF THE JUVENILE JAIL. 
          WE CALL IT A DETENTION CENTER, BUT IT'S A JAIL. 
          AND IT USED TO HAVE FOUR PODS, AND WE WERE ABLE TO DECREASE THE NUMBER OF KIDS THAT NEEDED TO BE IN JAIL, UH, THROUGH A LOT OF OTHER METHODS, AND ULTIMATELY ENDED UP HAVING TWO DETENTION PODS THAT WERE VACANT. 
          AND SO WE TOOK ONE OF THOSE PODS AND WE MADE IT INTO THE HOPE RECEIVING CENTER. 
          SO THIS IS A DEFLECTION CENTER, MEANING LAW ENFORCEMENT, IF THEY HAVE CONTACT WITH THE KID, COULD HELP, COULD BRING THAT CHILD TO THE HOPE RECEIVING CENTER, AND THAT CHILD COULD GET CONNECTED WITH SERVICES AND NEVER HAVE CRIMINAL CHARGES. 
          AND THEN PARENTS COULD ALSO BRING THEIR KIDS TO THE HOPE RECEIVING CENTER WHEN THE KIDS ARE JUST BEHAVE, DISPLAYING BEHAVIOR THAT COULD ULTIMATELY GET THEM INTO FURTHER TROUBLE. 
          THEY THINK MAYBE THEY NEED SOME HELP, AND SO 
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THEY CAN BRING THEIR KIDS TO THE HOPE RECEIVING CENTER. 
          AND THE HOPE RECEIVING CENTER WAS, UH, LIKE I SAID, CREATED OUT OF A DETENTION POD AND MADE TO NOW LOOK KIND OF LIKE A CHIC NEW YORK APARTMENT, UH, BUT IS FULLY STAFFED, UH, WITH PERSONNEL ALL THE TIME. 
          AND THEY HAVE, UH, RESPITE BEDS, EVEN IF A, IF A CHILD'S BROUGHT IN BY FAMILY OR BY LAW ENFORCEMENT SO THAT THEY CAN COOL DOWN AND BE ABLE TO GET CONNECTED WITH SERVICES. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE, UH, WE TOOK A JAIL CELL AND MADE IT INTO A COZY, COMFY ROOM. 
          WE TOOK AN OUTDOOR REC YARD AND MADE IT INTO WHAT YOU SEE UP THERE ON THE TOP RIGHT HAND SIDE WITH BUTTERFLIES AND PAINTED MURALS AND TREES, AND KIND OF A FUN SPACE SO THAT WE CAN HELP TO DEESCALATE THOSE, UH, KIDS WHEN THEY'RE OUT OF CONTROL OR HAVING THAT, UH, KIND OF BEHAVIOR THAT COULD GET THEM IN TROUBLE. 
          SO AT THE HOPE CENTER, THOSE KIDS ARE ABLE TO GET CONNECTED WITH EMOTIONAL REREGULATION SKILLS TO BE CONNECTED WITH MEDIATION OR MENTORSHIP OR COUNSELING SERVICES. 
          UH, SO A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITY PARTNERS HAVE COME TOGETHER TO MAKE THAT WORK. 
          SO ANOTHER ASPECT OF THIS KIND OF DEFLECTION CONCEPT, WHICH IS TO HELP KIDS NOT GET INVOLVED IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, BUT RATHER TO GET BETTER HELP, UH, HAS BEEN OUR SERVICE DOGS. 
          AND SO THIS IS A PICTURE OF TWO DIFFERENT SERVICE DOGS THAT WE HAVE. 
          UH, ONE RECENTLY PASSED AWAY, BUT AT THE JUVENILE COURT CENTER, UH, ONE WAS A COURT ROOM DOG. 
          AND SO FOR CASES WHERE DCS WAS INVOLVED, THEY WOULD HAVE THIS COURTROOM DOG THERE TO HELP PEOPLE, AND THE KIDS WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WELCOME OF COURSE TO BE THERE FOR THOSE COURT HEARINGS, BUT IT'S REALLY STRESSFUL TO SEE, UH, THEIR PARENTS THERE IN COURT TRYING TO LITIGATE THEIR CASE. 
          AND THAT CAN BE, THAT STRESS CAN BE DEESCALATED BY HAVING A SERVICE DOG THAT THEY CAN INTERACT WITH. 
          UM, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THERE IS A SERVICE DOG NAMED BLUE AND BLUE DEPLOYS TO SCHOOLS, UH, WITH A PROBATION OFFICER NAMED LIONEL. 
          AND THEY GO, UH, WHEN THE SCHOOL CALLS AND SAYS, HEY, WE THINK WE HAVE A, A CHILD WHO'S DEREGULATING, RATHER THAN HAVING LAW ENFORCEMENT CALLED. 
          AND THAT MIGHT INVOLVE, UH, CHARGING OR ARRESTING THAT JUVENILE FOR MAYBE HITTING A TEACHER OR HITTING A PEER, AND THEY CAN BRING IN THE SERVICE DOG BLUE. 
          AND THAT DOG HAS AN AMAZING SUCCESS RATE OF BEING ABLE TO TAKE THAT DEREGULATED YOUTH, HELP THEM CALM DOWN, HELP THEM GET CONNECTED WITH OTHER COUNSELING SERVICES, AND BE ABLE TO MOVE AWAY FROM THEIR APPROACH TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. 
          SO, UH, THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO ALL THE LITTLE DETAILS, BUT THE IDEA HERE IS LOOKING BACK TO 2013, UH, THESE ARE SHOWING THAT WE HAD FAILED DIVERSIONS. 
          SO DIVERSIONS ARE AN APPROACH TO SAY WE HAVE A CHARGE, A CRIMINAL CHARGE AGAINST A JUVENILE, AND THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO CERTAIN THINGS. 
          AND IF THEY DID THAT, THEN THE CHARGE WOULD GO AWAY. 
          SO ON THE LEFT, YOU'LL SEE A HIGH NUMBER OF DIVERSIONS THAT WERE FAILED. 
          SO THE JUVENILE DIDN'T DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, AND SO THEY END UP WITH A REGULAR PROSECUTION AND THE JUSTICE SYSTEM, THE GOOD THING THAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE TREND OVER HERE TO 2024 SHOWS THAT THE DIVERSIONS ARE MUCH MORE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE FEWER KIDS FAIL AND HAVE TO GO ON TO PROBATION. 
          SO THIS IS KIND OF THE CONCEPT HERE IN ONE OVERVIEW SLIDE IS WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT FOR KIDS, BUT ALSO FOR ADULTS, WHAT CAN WE DO IN ORDER TO GET THE POSITIVE BEHAVIORAL CHANGE THAT WE WANT WITH ACCOUNTABILITY AND NOT HAVE THE PERSON GO FURTHER AND DEEPER INTO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. 
          SO NOW WE HAVE A VIDEO, AND THIS IS A VIDEO OF THE HOPE CENTER. 
          DIANA, CAN WE JUST CLICK FOR IT? NO, GO. 
          OKAY, COOL. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          WE TEND TO HAVE POOR LUCK WITH THESE THINGS, SO WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 
          LEMME GRAB IT. 
          VIDEOS ARE THE BEST PART OF OUR PRESENTATION. 
          THE HOPE CENTER IS THE HOPE CENTER, BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE HOPE. 
          AND I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN THEY COME HERE, THEY OFTEN SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT MY CHILD. 
          THE UNITED STATES FAR OUTPACES OTHER COUNTRIES IN DETAINING AND OTHERWISE CRIMINALIZING YOUNG PEOPLE. 
          FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS, THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF RESEARCH OUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY ABOUT, UH, JUVENILE JUSTICE TRENDS AND WHAT'S BEST FOR KIDS. 
          AND THE RESEARCH IS SHOWING THAT INCARCERATING YOUTH IS NOT HELPFUL. 
          EVERY DAY, 53,000 CHILDREN ARE LOCKED UP. 
          THAT'S MORE THAN A SOLD OUT CROWD AT A MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL GAME. 
          JUVENILE JUSTICE, AS GREAT AS OUR INTENTIONS MAY BE THAT YOUTH THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS SYSTEM, ONCE THEY'RE INVOLVED, IT'S INCREDIBLY HARD TO GET OUT. 
          IN 2012, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE BEGAN TRACKING FORMERLY INCARCERATED PEOPLE OF ALL AGES. 
          THE LATEST REPORT RELEASED IN JULY FOUND THAT IF INDIVIDUALS ARRESTED AT AGE 17 OR YOUNGER, 71% HAVE BEEN REARRESTED WITHIN THREE YEARS OF THEIR RELEASE. 
          THAT NUMBER CLIMBED TO 80% 
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BY YEAR FIVE. 
          WE BELIEVE THESE KIDS ARE ARE SUCCESSFUL. 
          HOW DO WE GET THERE? HOW DO WE GET THEM THERE? AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE IN DETENTION. 
          DETENTION IS NOT THE ANSWER. 
          WE REALLY FELT THAT IF WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A CENTER THAT PARENTS, YOUTH AND TEACHERS, REALLY ANYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT A KID OR FELT THAT THEY NEEDED SOME EXTRA HELP AND SUPPORT, THAT THEY COULD REFER THEM TO US AND WE COULD REALLY ACT AS A SAFETY NET, CONNECTING THOSE KIDS AND FAMILIES TO SERVICES IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU MEET THE NEED IMMEDIATELY. 
          YOU DO SO IN A HOLISTIC WAY. 
          WE TOOK TWO UNUSED DETENTION PODS, RENOVATED THEM, REFURBISHED THEM, TRIED TO MAKE THEM MORE WARM AND WELCOMING. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S SO HARD TO KIND OF BREAK DOWN THE, THE BONES OF THE INSTITUTIONALIZATION THAT COMES WITH DE TENSION. 
          BUT I THINK WE TRY TO MAKE IT A PLACE FOR FAMILIES TO, UM, COME AND FEEL SAFE. 
          WE SERVE ANY KIDS THAT ARE WITHIN THE COUNTY. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE IN TROUBLE. 
          THEY COULD BE, UH, IN CRISIS. 
          WE'RE GETTING THE PARENTS TO COME TOGETHER TO COME TO THE TABLE. 
          WE'RE GETTING THE KIDS TO COME TO THE TABLE AND HAVING THESE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS. 
          YOU KNOW, DESPITE ALL THESE HIGH TENSIONS, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE THAT TOGETHER, COME UP WITH A SAFE PLAN FOR, UH, THE FAMILIES TO KIND OF FOLLOW. 
          SO THE KIDS ARE SUCCESSFUL. 
          AND WE KIND OF LOOK AT IT AS A HIERARCHY OF NEEDS. 
          SO IF THE PARENT EXPRESSES THAT THEY NEED FOOD STAMPS OR THEY NEED TO GO TO THE FOOD BANK, OR PERHAPS THEY'RE GOING TO BE EVICTED, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE STARTING AT THAT BASIC LEVEL TO HELP CONNECT THEM TO THOSE THINGS. 
          AND I THINK IT CAN BE EASY TO SAY, WELL, IF THEY'RE DOING THIS AND THEY'RE NOT DOING THIS FOR THEIR CHILD, THAT'S 'CAUSE THEY DON'T CARE. 
          OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND OFTEN OUR PARENTS ARE JUST DOING THE BEST THEY CAN WITH WHAT THEY HAVE. 
          AND FLAGSTAFF IS REALLY TOUGH COMING FROM CALIFORNIA. 
          UM, THE LA AREA, IF YOU SEE THE COPS, YOU RUN AWAY OR YOU DON'T SAY NOTHING. 
          WE'RE NOT HERE TO JUST IMPRISON THEM. 
          WE'RE HERE TO PROVIDE SERVICES, GET THEM REREGULATED, GET THEM TO A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN BE SUCCESSFUL AND WHATEVER THAT SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE FOR THEM, NOT OUR, UH, JUDGED SUCCESSES. 
          SO WE HAVE SKILL TRAINERS, WHICH ARE PEOPLE THAT WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE KIDS, A ONE-TO-ONE KIND OF MENTOR OR COACH OR, YOU KNOW, BIG BROTHER OR BIG SISTER IN A WAY. 
          THE VERY FIRST DEFLECTION I HAD, UH, WAS THIS KID THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HE, HE GOT, HE GOT IN WITH THE WRONG CROWD. 
          HE DIDN'T TAKE SCHOOL SERIOUSLY AT ALL. 
          HIS MOM WAS IN PRISON. 
          HE THOUGHT THAT ANY ADULTS, UH, JUDGED HIM AND THOUGHT THAT HE WAS A BAD KID. 
          AND SO AFTER MEETING WITH ME, HE DIDN'T GET THAT, THAT TYPE OF, UH, EXPECTATION. 
          HE DIDN'T GET THAT JUDGMENT. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, HE WORKED WITH ME. 
          HE, HE JUMPED ON BOARD. 
          WE CAME UP WITH A SUCCESS PLAN. 
          UH, IT WASN'T TOO ANYTHING TOO CRAZY. 
          WE DID SET UP SOME COUNSELING, I BELIEVE. 
          AND, UH, HE WAS ABLE TO FINISH EIGHTH GRADE AND NOW HE'S AT HIGH SCHOOL. 
          AND SO IF AT ANY POINT HE'S IN NEED OF SOMETHING, HE KNOWS HE CAN COME HERE, HE'LL FIND THE HOPE CENTER FOR THAT POSITIVE SUPPORT. 
          WE ARE OPEN EVERY DAY, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY INCLUDED HOLIDAYS ALSO EVERY DAY. 
          WE ARE HERE READY FOR ANY FAMILY TO COME IN WITH ANY TYPE OF NEED. 
          I CONSIDER IT AN HONOR TO WALK ANY PART OF ANY JOURNEY WITH ANY FAMILY. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHY I DO WHAT I DO. 
          'CAUSE I LOVE IT. 
          JUST KNOWING THAT 200 OF OUR FAMILIES THAT CAME THROUGH THESE DOORS DID NOT GO INTO OUR JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM, HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY POWERFUL FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. 
          SO THE HOPE CENTER IS AN EXAMPLE OF DEFLECTION. 
          SO A PERSON WHO MIGHT OTHERWISE BECOME INVOLVED IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEFLECT AWAY FROM ENTERING INTO THAT CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM BECAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO GET CONNECTED WITH RESOURCES. 
          BUT MOST IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE BEHAVIORAL CHANGES NECESSARY TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY BE SAFE. 
          ANOTHER OPTION FURTHER ON OR INTO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM FOR JUVENILES IS DIVERSIONS. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHERE A FORMAL CHARGE HAS BEEN MADE, BUT CERTAIN AGREEMENTS ARE REACHED AND THE JUVENILE'S ABLE TO GET SERVICES AND DO CERTAIN THINGS SUCH AS MAYBE COMMUNITY SERVICE, UH, AND BE ABLE TO THEN EARN DISMISSAL OF THE CHARGES. 
          SO THEN THEY'RE NOT ADJUDICATED DELINQUENT FOR THAT OFFENSE. 
          ALSO, THEN OF COURSE, JUVENILES ARE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND GO ON TO PROBATION, AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT OUR JUVENILE AND ADULT PROBATION LATER ON. 
          BUT THE IDEA IS TO TRY TO HELP AS MANY PEOPLE GET AS MUCH CHANGE OUT OF OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF INTERVENTION AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO NOW I'LL TURN THE MICROPHONE BACK OVER TO AMMON AND HE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE SAME EFFORTS ON THE ADULT SIDE. 
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THANK YOU, JUDGE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE JUVENILE SYSTEM IS REALLY A NICE PLACE TO PILOT A LOT OF THINGS BECAUSE YOU'RE WORKING WITH A SMALLER POPULATION, YOU'RE ALSO WORKING TOWARDS REHABILITATION, AND IT'S SOMETHING THE ADULT IN THE ADULT SYSTEM WE DON'T ALWAYS THINK ABOUT. 
          AND SO AS WE THINK ABOUT THAT SEQUENTIAL INTERCEPT MODEL THAT THE JUDGE WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE FLOW, UH, THROUGH THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, YOU MENTIONED THE, THE IDEA OF DEFLECTION. 
          SO REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE BEFORE THEY'RE INVOLVED IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM OR JUST ON THE VERGE OF THAT, AND HOW DO WE DEFLECT THEM FROM THE SYSTEM AND TO OTHER AREAS. 
          ONE OF THE, THE WAYS THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED IN FLAGSTAFF IS THROUGH OUR MOBILE, UH, CRISIS TEAM CARE TEAM UP THERE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF WAYS THAT YOU CAN START TO DEFLECT. 
          UH, WE, WE'VE SEEN, AND I I DON'T THINK IT'S UNIQUE TO FLAGSTAFF, BUT WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN OUR HOMELESS POPULATION. 
          A LOT OF TIMES THIS POPULATION IS ALSO, UH, DEALING WITH MENTAL ILLNESS OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE ISSUES. 
          UM, THEY END UP FREEZING IN OUR STREETS. 
          THEY END UP GETTING HIT BY TRAINS. 
          IT'S, IT'S A REAL TRAGEDY. 
          AND SO WE'VE, UH, NOT JUST THE COUNTY, BUT THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF IS, IS, UH, TRIED TO FIND WAYS THAT WE CAN REACH OUT TO THIS, THIS POPULATION AND, AND GET THEM SERVICES. 
          SO THE CARE, UH, TEAM IS, UH, A MOBILE TEAM THAT GOES OUT INTO THE STREETS. 
          THEY RESPOND TO CALLS, BUT THEY ALSO ARE JUST OUT IN THE STREETS PROACTIVELY TO TRY TO HELP PEOPLE, MAYBE EVEN JUST TO GET 'EM IN A WARM PLACE, UM, OR JUST TO GET 'EM, UH, UH, INTO, UH, HOSPITAL CARE. 
          UM, I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE IS A GREAT GAP IN MANY OF OUR COMMUNITIES IN THE CRISIS, UH, SYSTEM IN ARIZONA. 
          IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT EVERY COMMUNITY HAVE A, A CRISIS LINE THAT'S 9, 8, 8, AND THAT'S AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY. 
          9 1 1 TYPICALLY WILL, UH, DEFLECT PEOPLE TO A CRISIS LINE IF THEY'RE HAVING A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. 
          UH, MOBILE CRISIS TEAMS ARE RECOMMENDED, BUT ALSO, UH, A DEFLECTION CENTER OR A CRISIS FACILITY. 
          AND FLAGSTAFF, THIS IS A CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A DETOX CENTER. 
          WE HAVE PLACES THAT WILL, UH, UM, DEAL WITH FOLKS THAT ARE DEALING WITH, UH, UH, WHAT WE CALL TITLE THREE SIX ISSUES. 
          SO, UH, WHERE THEY'RE INVOLUNTARILY COMMITTED BECAUSE OF MENTAL AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ISSUES. 
          BUT FOR, UH, FOR OUR, OUR POPULATION, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A PLACE WHERE THE POLICE CAN JUST DROP SOMEONE OFF OR SOMEONE CAN WALK INTO THE FRONT DOOR AND ASK FOR SOME SERVICES. 
          AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE EXPLORING RIGHT NOW, AND I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON, ON YOUR RADAR AS WELL AS YOU THINK ABOUT NEEDS IN SEDONA. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS, UH, I THINK A CRITICAL NEED IN, IN MOST COMMUNITIES RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND THAT WILL HELP DEFLECT THE, UH, FOLKS, NOT JUST FROM THE JAIL, BUT FROM THE HOSPITALS OR FROM OUR SHELTERS AND INTO A PLACE WHERE THEY GET TREATMENT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE REALLY INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS IN THE JAIL, IN OUR COO COUNTY JAIL, UM, AND THIS IS CREDIT TO OUR PREVIOUS SHERIFF, IS THE EXODUS PROGRAM. 
          AND THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT HELPS FOLKS, UH, THAT ARE INCARCERATED, RECEIVE, UH, UH, COUNSELING AND, AND TREATMENT WHILE THEY'RE IN, IN CUSTODY. 
          SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES COERCIVE MA UH, MEANS ARE HELPFUL, RIGHT? SOMETIMES IF PEOPLE CAN'T LEAVE, THEY COULD, THEY START TO HEAR WHAT THEY NEED TO, TO CHANGE IN THEIR LIVES. 
          UM, AND EXODUS ALLOWS FOR THAT. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN TREMENDOUSLY POPULAR AND, UH, VERY PRODUCTIVE. 
          IT WAS PAUSED FOR A TIME DURING THE COVID YEARS, BUT IT'S BACK ONLINE. 
          AND I WANTED TO SHOW YOU A VIDEO OF ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS WHO IS NOW WORKING IN OUR JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM AND IS, IS DOING TREMENDOUS WORK. 
          SO MY LIFE BEFORE EXODUS, UM, WAS REALLY ROUGH. 
          MY CHILDHOOD, UM, A LOT OF TRAUMA AND ABUSE. 
          I HAD THREE CHILDREN, UM, AND THEY WERE IN AND OUT OF MY CARE. 
          THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME WHEN I DIDN'T TALK TO MY KIDS FOR A YEAR. 
          UM, AND MY YOUNGEST, SHE WAS THREE WHEN THAT HAPPENED. 
          I WAS FACING SOME FELONY CHARGES. 
          I WAS TIRED. 
          MY KIDS DIDN'T WANT TO TALK TO ME. 
          I HAD NOTHING ELSE TO LIVE FOR. 
          BUT WHILE I WAS IN THERE, I REALIZED THAT SOBRIETY IS WHAT I REALLY WANTED. 
          EXODUS IS A PROGRAM THAT'S INSIDE THE COUNTY JAIL THAT IS A PROGRAM FOR SUBSTANCE ABUSE. 
          WE DID PARENTING CLASSES. 
          WE LEARNED ABOUT HOW DRUGS AND ALCOHOL AFFECTED OUR BRAIN. 
          PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE WOULD COME IN AND, AND FACILITATE A AA MEETINGS. 
          SO WHEN I GOT OUT, I WAS ABLE TO HAVE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE WOMEN WHO CAME IN. 
          I DID THE THINGS THAT THEY SUGGESTED, AND IT TOOK ME ABOUT A YEAR TO GET MY CHILDREN BACK. 
          BUT I WAS SELFISH IN MY RECOVERY. 
          AND SO, AND I'M STILL SOBER. 
          I HAVE FIVE YEARS. 
          I HAVE MY OWN APARTMENT, I HAVE MY OWN CAR. 
          WE GO ON FAMILY VACATIONS, UM, AND THE, LIKE, THE FAMILY VACATIONS AND THE HOUSE AND THE CAR ARE COOL, BUT IT'S THE LITTLE THINGS IN RECOVERY THAT 
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REALLY MEAN A LOT TO ME. 
          LIKE SEEING MY THREE DAUGHTERS IN THE KITCHEN COOKING TOGETHER IN OUR HOUSE. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S SIMPLE. 
          STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT REALLY MEANS A LOT. 
          MY POSITION HERE AT THE JUVENILE COURT IS I'M A PEER SUPPORT FOR FAMILY TREATMENT COURT. 
          SO I GET TO SUPPORT PARENTS WHO HAVE A DEPENDENCY CASE, AND THEIR CHILDREN WERE REMOVED FROM THEIR CUSTODY DUE TO SUBSTANCE ABUSE. 
          MY LIVED EXPERIENCE, UM, HAS A PURPOSE NOW. 
          AND NOW I GET TO SHOW THEM THAT THAT'S NOT THEIR FUTURE. 
          THAT THEY, THEY CAN HAVE A BEAUTIFUL LIFE IF THEY JUST, IF WANNA STAY SOBER. 
          THE EXODUS PROGRAM CAN HELP YOU IF YOU, IF SOBRIETY IS WHAT YOU WANT. 
          UM, IT'S AMAZING. 
          AND IF YOU JUST, AND BECAUSE YOU'RE INCARCERATED DOING IT, YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPTION TO LEAVE, WHICH REALLY HELPED. 
          UM, BUT IT'S AN AMAZING PROGRAM. 
          AND MIKE BOND, I, HE'S STILL THE FACILITATOR THERE, AND HE'S AMAZING. 
          SO, MY LIFE, YOU KNOW, I'M A KNOW AMANDA IS SOMEONE OUR OFFICE PROSECUTED. 
          UM, AND, AND REMEMBER WHEN I TOLD YOU AT THE BEGINNING TO THINK ABOUT HOW EVERYONE HAS A STORY, RIGHT? SHE HAS A STORY, A BACKGROUND OF LIFE THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY KNOWN TO US, RIGHT? WHEN WE'RE PROSECUTING HER, WE GET A POLICE REPORT WHEN WE MAKE DECISIONS. 
          UH, BUT IT'S BEAUTIFUL TO SEE HOW SHE'S TURNED HER LIFE AROUND AND REALLY IS, HAS GIVEN BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO, SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DEFLECTION, RIGHT? BEFORE PEOPLE GET TO, TO THE ARREST STAGE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ONCE PEOPLE ARE ARRESTED AND THEY'RE IN THE SYSTEM WITH EXODUS PROGRAM OR IN THE JAIL, UH, WHEN PEOPLE LEAVE THE JAIL, UH, WE, WE HAVE A PROGRAM CALLED PATHWAY PATHWAYS TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          IT'S A REENTRY PROGRAM. 
          I KNOW YAVAPAI COUNTY HAS A PROGRAM THROUGH THEIR JAIL AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S REFERRED TO KIND OF AS A GIFT SHOP, RIGHT? WE GO ON THE RIDE, AND THEN YOU EXIT IN THIS, IN THIS CASE IT'S THE JAIL, AND YOU EXIT THE JAIL. 
          AND NOW THERE'S A HALLWAY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU. 
          YOU HAVE, UH, PEER SUPPORT, YOU HAVE SUBSTANCE ABUSE, UH, SUPPORT, YOU HAVE HOUSING SUPPORT, SOMETIMES TRANSPORTATION. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THESE FOLKS IN THESE OFFICES TO HELP PEOPLE AS THEY EXIT THE JAIL. 
          BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE HARDEST THING WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE INCARCERATED AND LEAVING IS FINDING OUT WHAT THE NEXT THING IS THAT YOU NEED TO DO, RIGHT? MAYBE IT IS SIMPLY FINDING A PLACE TO STAY. 
          MAYBE IT IS GETTING THAT HELP NOW THAT, AS AMANDA TALKED ABOUT BEING CLEARHEADED, I WANNA MAKE SOME CHANGES. 
          SO HOW DO I GET THAT? HOW DO I FIND THOSE CHANGES? SO THIS IS A, A PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN OPERATING OUT OF OUR JAIL FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. 
          IT'S, IT'S HAD TREMENDOUS, UH, A TREMENDOUS EFFECT ON OUR RECIDIVISM RATE. 
          WE'VE SEEN THAT PLUMMET, UH, BECAUSE OF THIS. 
          AND WE'VE ADAPTED SOME PROGRAMS TO IT AS WELL. 
          UM, HERE'S A LIST OF THE, THE PARTNERS INVOLVED IN THIS. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S COLLABORATIVE. 
          WE HAVE NOT JUST MY OFFICE, PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE, PROBATION SHERIFF OBVIOUSLY IS, IS HIGHLY INSTRUMENTAL IN THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AND SOME COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY PARTNERS AS WELL. 
          UM, THIS IS A TERRIBLE PHOTO THAT I TOOK. 
          I NEED A, I NEED BETTER PHOTOS. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THIS IS THE HALLWAY I WAS TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, WE NEED TO UPDATE SOME OF THIS. 
          AND, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY EXPANDED THIS. 
          THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER WING NOW THAT, UM, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD PRESENT TO YOU. 
          UM, I, I TALKED ABOUT SOME OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE ADDED ONTO THIS. 
          ONE OF THE PROGRAMS IS A PROGRAM IN OUR OFFICE CALLED THE, THE, THE PATHWAYS DIVERSION PROGRAM. 
          REMEMBER THAT AT THE BEGINNING I TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          THE PERSON THAT HAS THE DRUGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FELONY OFFENSE IN IN FLAG, OR NOT IN FLAG STEP, BUT IN ARIZONA. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S A SERIOUS CASE. 
          UH, BUT WE KNOW THAT DRUG OFFENSES, UH, ARE REALLY ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S FINDING THIS PERSON NEEDS TO GET, UH, OUT OF THIS ADDICTIVE STAGE IN THEIR LIFE. 
          AND SO, UH, WE HAVE CREATED A PROGRAM THAT WILL, UH, WE, WHERE WE, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH A PARTICIPANT, A DEFENDANT, UH, AFTER THEY'RE RELEASED FROM JAIL OR AFTER THEY'VE BEEN ARRESTED, UH, FOR THESE TYPES OF CHARGES, THESE LOW LEVEL FELONY CHARGES, THAT IF THEY REMAIN LAW ABIDING FOR A PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS, IF THEY TIE INTO TREATMENT, CONNECT TO TREATMENT, THAT WE WILL NOT EVEN CHARGE THE CASE. 
          SO THAT'S BEFORE THE CHARGING STAGE. 
          AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, THAT MODEL, RIGHT? WE TALKED ABOUT DEFLECTION. 
          NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIVERSION. 
          THEY'RE IN THE SYSTEM, BUT WE PROMISE NOT TO CHARGE THE CASE. 
          AND THIS HAS HAD, UH, I THINK WE'RE AT ABOUT A 70% SUCCESS RATE. 
          SO PEOPLE ARE NOT RECIDIVATING, THEY'RE NOT, UH, GETTING NEW CHARGES. 
          UM, AND THE REASON THIS, UH, CAME ABOUT IS BECAUSE AS, AS YOU LOOK AT THE SYSTEM, RIGHT? SOMEONE'S ARRESTED, THEY'RE CHARGED, THEY'RE CONVICTED. 
          MANY TIMES, WE KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME'S GONNA BE AFTER WE CHARGE A CASE, WE KNOW THAT IF WE'RE CHARGING A CASE OF, UH, POSSESSION OF DRUGS, FOR INSTANCE, WE KNOW THAT THAT PERSON NEEDS TREATMENT, THE PROBATION OFFICER EVENTUALLY WILL COME TO THAT SAME CONCLUSION. 
          SO WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO IS JUST GO STRAIGHT TO TREATMENT. 
          WE DON'T WANNA BRING IN THE JUDGE OR THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY OR THE PROBATION OFFICER. 
          IF WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE CAN, WE CAN SHORTEN THAT SHORTCUT, THAT EXPERIENCE, AND ALSO 
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GET THEM THAT TREATMENT EARLY WHEN THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT THOSE NEEDS. 
          RIGHT? ALRIGHT, UM, I'M GONNA TURN IT BACK OVER TO, UH, JUDGE REED TO TAKE US THROUGH THE NEXT, UH, BIT OF THAT INTERCEPT MODEL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE KIND OF OLD SCHOOL VIEW OF PROBATION AS SIMPLY MONITORING AND HOLDING A PERSON ACCOUNTABLE IF THEY FAIL. 
          UH, THERE'S A NEW VERSION OF PROBATION NOW, AND THIS IS CALLED RISK NEEDS RESPONSIVE PROBATION. 
          AND SO PROBATION OFFICERS ARE, HAVE A CULTURE WHERE THEY VIEW THEMSELVES AS AGENTS OF CHANGE. 
          AND SO THEY'RE NOT QUITE THERAPISTS AND THEY'RE NOT QUITE SOCIAL WORKERS, BUT THEY'RE WORKING. 
          THEIR GOAL IS TO HELP THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ON PROBATION IDENTIFY THE PROBLEMS AND THEN GET THE HELP THEY NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. 
          AND SO THAT HAS A, A COMPONENT OF, HAS A COMPONENT OF IDENTIFYING WHAT THE RISK IS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL WHO'S ON PROBATION. 
          AND WE COULD CALL THAT THE RISK OF FAILING PROBATION. 
          AND THAT MEANS WHAT KIND OF STRUCTURE DO WE NEED TO BUILD AROUND THIS PERSON IN ORDER TO HAVE THEM BE SUCCESSFUL? THAT MIGHT BE MORE PROBATION STAFF, MORE RESOURCES DEDICATED TO A HIGH RISK INDIVIDUAL, AND SPECIFICALLY LESS RESOURCES DEDICATED TO A LOW RISK INDIVIDUAL WHO'S MORE LIKELY TO FOLLOW A DIRECTIVE TO GO AND GET THEMSELVES ENROLLED IN TREATMENT. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, UH, IDENTIFYING THE NEEDS. 
          WHAT DOES THIS PERSON NEED, WHETHER THAT'S A HOUSING NEED OR A NEED FOR SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER TREATMENT OR MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT. 
          AND THEN HOW DO WE CRAFT A PROBATION STRUCTURE AND, AND ORDERS, UH, FOR THAT PERSON THAT ARE RESPONSIVE TO THOSE RISKS AND NEEDS. 
          SO IF A PERSON HAS SUCH HIGH RISK, UH, THAT THEY'RE EXTREMELY HIGH, THEY NEED A LOT OF SUPPORT, UH, OR SUCH HIGH NEED AND SUCH HIGH NEED, THEY MIGHT BE CONSIDERED TO BE HIGH RISK, HIGH NEED. 
          UH, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME SPECIAL PROGRAMS. SO NOW WE'VE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT DEFLECTIONS. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DIVERSIONS. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF YOUR STANDARD LEVELS OF PROBATION, BUT THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS IN OUR CRIMINAL SYSTEM WHO ARE MUCH DEEPER INTO THE PROCESS THAN THOSE THINGS COULD ADDRESS. 
          AND WE COULD CALL THEM HIGH RISK, HIGH NEED INDIVIDUALS. 
          AND SO THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTY, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW SPECIALTY COURTS OR PROBLEM SOLVING COURTS THAT ARE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE HIGH RISK OF FAILING PROBATION AND HIGH NEED FOR CERTAIN KINDS OF SERVICES. 
          AND SO THAT COULD INCLUDE VETERANS. 
          AND WE HAVE VETERANS COURT THAT COULD INCLUDE MENTAL HEALTH FOR MENTAL HEALTH COURT. 
          THAT COULD INCLUDE RECOVERY COURT FOR SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER ISSUES. 
          AND SO IF WE TAKE A STEP BACK, AND WE TALKED EARLIER, ABOUT $41,000 A YEAR TO PUT SOMEONE IN PRISON. 
          AND THEN WE LOOKED AT THE PROBATION COSTS, WE TALKED ABOUT RISKS, NEED RESPONSIVE PROBATION. 
          THAT COSTS ABOUT $1,250 PER PERSON PER YEAR. 
          SO, OF COURSE, A CONSIDERABLE SAVINGS TO THE TAXPAYERS TO TRY TO USE AND MAXIMIZE THAT RISK NEEDS RESPONSIVE PROBATION. 
          BUT THEN THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO REALLY NEED A HIGHER LEVEL OF SUPPORT, HIGHER LEVEL OF TREATMENT, AND THOSE FOLKS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO OUR TREATMENT COURTS. 
          AND THE TREATMENT COURT HAS A LOT MORE RESOURCES, UH, DEDICATED. 
          AND SO OF COURSE, IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          UH, BUT THAT COSTS $6,000 A YEAR PER PERSON FOR A PERSON WHO'S ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN ONE OF THESE PROGRAMS. THAT'S THE AVERAGE COST. 
          IF A PERSON GOES INTO A TREATMENT COURT, THEN THEY RECEIVE INTENSIVE SUPERVISION AND INTENSIVE TREATMENT AND INTENSIVE COURT INVOLVEMENT. 
          SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN JUST AN INTENSIVE PROBATION. 
          THE COURT, THE JUDGE IS ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN TRYING TO WORK WITH THE INDIVIDUAL PARTICIPANTS AND HELP RESTRUCTURE THAT PARTICIPANT'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. 
          SO IT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD THAT THESE TREATMENT COURTS ARE A MATTER OF LAST RESORT, BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT'S NOT, UH, HEALTHY TO INTRODUCE INTO A HIGH RISK, HIGH NEED POPULATION. 
          SOMEONE WHO HAS LOW RISK OR LOW NEED, WE CAN MAKE THOSE FOLKS WORSE. 
          SO WE DON'T WANT TO USE THE TREATMENT COURTS, UH, FOR THE WRONG FOLKS. 
          BUT FOR THE HIGH RISK, HIGH NEED INDIVIDUALS, THEY'RE VERY SUCCESSFUL. 
          SO THIS IS JUST A GRADUATION PICTURE FROM ON THE RIGHT IS OUR SUPERIOR COURT MENTAL HEALTH COURT. 
          ON THE TOP LEFT IS OUR RECOVERY COURT, WHICH IS LIKE A DUI DRUG COURT PROGRAM. 
          AND THE BOTTOM LEFT IS OUR VETERANS COURT. 
          SO I CAN'T SAY IT BETTER THAN THE NEXT IS A VIDEO FROM ONE OF OUR TREATMENT COURT GRADUATES. 
          CAN I DO THIS? OH, CHECK THAT OUT. 
          I HAD SOMEBODY JUST YESTERDAY LOOK AT ME AND GO, YOU DID DRUGS? AND I WAS LIKE, YEAH, I DID DRUGS. 
          I'VE BEEN EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE AT. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH. 
          I WOULD DESCRIBE MYSELF IN 2019 AS VERY BROKEN. 
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DIDN'T HAVE REALLY ANY LIFE SKILLS LEFT. 
          EVERYTHING ABOUT MY LIFE WAS CENTERED AROUND DRUGS OR GETTING DRUGS OR SELLING DRUGS, AND I HAD NO IDEA HOW TO GET OUT OF THAT LIFE. 
          I KNEW I WANTED A BETTER LIFE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO ACHIEVE WHAT I WANTED, AND I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO BE A HUMAN BEING ANYMORE. 
          THE RECOVERY COURT PROGRAM INVOLVES INTENSE OUTPATIENT THERAPY, INDIVIDUAL THERAPY, RANDOM DRUG TESTING, COURT APPEARANCES, AND MEETINGS WITH THE PROBATION OFFICER. 
          AND SO PART OF WHAT I HAD TO GO THROUGH IN THERAPY WAS KIND OF REALIZING WHAT CAUSED ME TO USE IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHY I PICKED UP THE PIPE OR THE BOTTLE OR WHATEVER IT WAS. 
          AND, AND TO WORK THROUGH THAT INSTEAD OF HIDING FROM THAT PAIN AND THAT TRAUMA TO WORK THROUGH IT AND PROCESS IT. 
          AND THEN ANOTHER BIG PART OF IT WAS LEARNING, UM, RELAPSE PREVENTION AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF I DID RELAPSE AND IN WHAT I WOULD LOSE AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT. 
          ANOTHER REALLY BIG PART OF RECOVERY COURT FOR ME WAS BUILDING THAT SUPPORT SYSTEM THAT I NEEDED TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN RECOVERY. 
          AND I REALLY DID THAT. 
          I, I FOUND A MEETING THAT I REALLY WANTED TO GO TO, AND I FOUND A CHURCH THAT I'M A PART OF AND A SPONSOR THAT WORKS WITH ME STILL TO THIS DAY. 
          RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING THROUGH BOUNDARIES. 
          AND EVENTUALLY DCS CLOSED MY CASE, AND I GRADUATED FROM RECOVERY COURT AND I ACTUALLY MADE IT TO RECOVERY COURT WITH ZERO SANCTIONS , WHICH WAS AMAZING. 
          I'VE LEARNED THAT YOU CAN COME BACK FROM THAT, THAT THERE'S HOPE FOR RECOVERY, THAT THERE'S HOPE TO GET YOUR CHILDREN BACK, THAT THERE'S HOPE TO LEAD A NORMAL LIFE AND NOT ONLY LEAD A NORMAL LIFE, BUT GIVE BACK TO SOCIETY, GIVE BACK IN A PRODUCTIVE AND MEANINGFUL WAY. 
          NOW, I HAVE ALL OF THESE SKILLS AND TOOLS THAT NOT ONLY DO I USE FOR MY OWN RECOVERY, BUT I USE THEM TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE, WHICH IS REALLY A BIG PART OF MY RECOVERY, IS GIVING BACK AND SERVING IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          I'M A PERSON IN RECOVERY, BUT I'M ALSO A PEER SUPPORT SPECIALIST. 
          I'M A MOTHER, I'M A COLLEGE GRADUATE, AND HOPEFULLY SOON A SUBSTANCE ABUSE COUNSELOR I HAD. 
          SO I WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTY AT ALL THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF OUR COURTS, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW PROBLEM SOLVING COURTS, INCLUDING, AS I MENTIONED, OUR SUPERIOR COURT. 
          WE HAVE RECOVERY COURT, MENTAL HEALTH COURT, VETERANS TREATMENT COURT. 
          UH, JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, WE DEVELOPED A CONSOLIDATED COMPETENCY COURT. 
          SO ONE DIVISION OF SUPERIOR COURT THAT'S CHARGED WITH, UH, NAVIGATING THE PROCESS WHEN A PERSON IS NEEDING TO BE DETERMINED, IF THEY'RE COMPETENT TO PROCEED TO TRIAL, THAT COULD INCLUDE RESTORATION TO COMPETENCY. 
          SO THAT HELPS TO STREAMLINE AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE CASES, UH, DON'T GET LOST. 
          AND THAT'S A CON, UH, COOPERATIVE EFFORT WITH OTHER JUSTICE PARTNERS TO DETERMINE HOW WE PROCEED IN THOSE CASES. 
          WHETHER THE STATE WISHES TO, UH, HAVE RESTORATION TO COMPETENCY OR SOME DIFFERENT OUTCOME. 
          IN THE CASE, WE HAVE PROBATION REVOCATION COURT. 
          WE HAVE AN INTEGRATED FAMILY COURT, WHICH COMBINES COMMUNITY SERVICES WITH, UH, FAMILY COURT CASES TO TRY TO HELP PARENTS AND CHILDREN HAVE A GOOD OUTCOME. 
          UH, CONCILIATION COURT HAS A SIMILAR MISSION, AND IT WORKS IN FAMILY CASES. 
          FAMILY TREATMENT COURT IS A PROGRAM OVER AT JUVENILE COURT THAT HELPS FAMILIES GOING THROUGH DEPENDENCY CASES TO TRY TO HAVE POSITIVE OUTCOMES. 
          UH, THERE ARE MANY, MANY PROGRAMS THAT JUVENILE COURT THAT I MENTIONED, UH, AND ALSO RESTITUTION COURT HAS, IS A NEW ADDITION THAT HAS INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ON PROBATION OR EVEN AFTER PROBATION AND MAYBE ARE DEFICIENT IN MAKING THEIR RESTITUTION PAYMENTS TO HELP MAKE THE VICTIM WHOLE. 
          THEY CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE BY GOING AND SEEING A SPECIAL JUDGE IN ORDER TO GET ON TRACK MAKING THOSE RESTITUTION PAYMENTS. 
          AND THIS IS JUST THE SUPERIOR COURT THROUGHOUT OUR LIMITED JURISDICTION COURTS IN COCONINO COUNTY, FLAGSTAFF MEDICAL CENTER OR FLAGSTAFF MUNICIPAL COURT HAS A MENTAL HEALTH COURT AND A VETERANS TREATMENT COURT FLAG. 
          STAFF JUSTICE COURT HAS A MENTAL HEALTH COURT PAGE, JUSTICE AND MUNICIPAL COURTS HAVE DRUG COURTS. 
          AND THEN PAGE MUNICIPAL COURT JUST RECENTLY LAUNCHED A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE COURT TO HELP INDIVIDUALS BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR GOING TO AND SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETING THEIR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TREATMENT. 
          AGAIN, WITH THE IDEA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE SAFETY IN THE COMMUNITY AND REDUCE RECIDIVISM, HELP PREVENT THOSE FUTURE CRIMES. 
          SO AMMAN WILL CLOSE THIS OUT. 
          NOW, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO JUMP PAST FAMILY FAMILY TREATMENT COURT VIDEO. 
          THANK YOU, JUDGE. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR PATIENCE WITH THIS. 
          UM, WE COULD TALK FOR HOURS, AND I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF TIME, BUT, 
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UH, I JUST WANTED TO REFERENCE THE, THE METAPHOR EARLIER THAT THE JUDGE MENTIONED ABOUT THE RIVER OR THE STREAM. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN DEALING IN THOSE TURBULENT WATERS WHEN PEOPLE ARE AL ALREADY DROWNING AND WE'RE PULLING PEOPLE OUT AND DOING CPR AND THEN ONTO THE NEXT PERSON AND ONTO THE NEXT PERSON. 
          AND WE'RE NOT REALLY TAKING THE TIME TO LOOK UPSTREAM ABOUT, ABOUT WHY THEY'RE JUMPING IN THE RIVER OR BEEN BEING PUSHED IN THE RIVER. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO GO UPSTREAM AS FAR AS POSSIBLE WITH OUR DEFLECTION MODELS, OUR DIVERSION MODELS, AND, AND TRY TO GET THEM OUT OF THE SYSTEM EARLIER. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHEN IT'S EASIEST. 
          UH, WHEN PEOPLE ARE FACING PRISON, IT STARTS TO GET REAL HARD. 
          UM, I I HEAR A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DEBATING, YOU KNOW, SOFT ON CRIME, HARD ON CRIME. 
          UH, I WOULD HOPE THAT AS A COMMUNITY WE CAN THINK ABOUT A CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM WITH THE SOUL. 
          UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I, I, WE DEAL IN HUMANS, YOU KNOW, THIS, THESE ARE HUMAN EXPERIENCES, HUMAN STORIES. 
          UH, I THINK THE MORE WE CAN FOCUS ON THAT ASPECT OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM INSTEAD OF, UH, A SYSTEM TO INCARCERATE OR A SYSTEM TO, UM, EVEN PUT ON PROBATION, BUT MORE INNOVATION, MORE EXPLORATION INTO THESE OTHER PROGRAMS, I THINK WE'LL HAVE A HEALTHIER COMMUNITY OVERALL. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS. 
          I KNOW WE PROBABLY WENT OVER A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, UH, WE'D LOVE TO TALK SOME MORE. 
          THANKS. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          IT WAS VERY INTERESTING. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TODAY. 
          THIS HAS BEEN VERY INFORMATIVE AND YOU MIGHT WELL BE AWARE THAT WE'VE JUST RECENTLY APPOINTED A NEW MAGISTRATE JUDGE, AND DURING THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, WE BECAME A BIT MORE FAMILIAR WITH PROBLEM SOLVING COURTS LIKE THE ONES THAT YOU'VE DETAILED. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE ANY OF THOSE AVAILABLE TO THE SEDONA COURT AT THIS POINT, OR DO WE HAVE TO CREATE OUR OWN, LIKE YOU SHOWED, PAGE HAS ITS OWN FLAG, HAS ITS OWN. 
          SO CAN YOU INFORM US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW DOES THAT WORK IF WE WANTED TO HAVE ACCESS OR TO DEVELOP THAT? WHAT, WHAT WOULD WE DO? WELL, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH A NEW JUDGE AS THE MAGISTRATE FOR SEDONA. 
          AND I THINK THAT IT'LL BE A GREAT DISCUSSION THAT THE COUNSEL WILL HAVE WITH YOUR NEW JUDGE, BUT I'LL BE EAGER TO HAVE THAT SAME CONVERSATION. 
          I THINK OUR PROBLEM SOLVING COURTS REALLY NEED TO BE FROM THE GROUND UP. 
          AND SO AS YOUR NEW JUDGE COMES IN, I'M SURE THAT JUDGE WILL BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE, WHAT THE NEEDS ARE OF THIS COMMUNITY. 
          SO RATHER THAN SAYING, WELL, WE MUST HAVE A DRUG COURT PROGRAM, OR WE MUST HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH COURT PROGRAM, THOSE COULD VERY WELL BE APPLICABLE, BUT REALLY THEY NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NEEDS ARE OF THIS COMMUNITY IN THE CRIMINAL CASES THAT ARE COMING THROUGH. 
          AND THEN, UH, BE ABLE TO LOOK AROUND AND SEE WHAT OTHER TREATMENT COURTS, UH, ARE SUCCESSFUL, AND THEN BUILD A EVIDENCE-BASED SUCCESSFUL TREATMENT COURT PROGRAM THAT RESPONDS TO THOSE PARTICULAR NEEDS. 
          SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PAGE MUNICIPAL COURT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PROGRAM WAS CREATED BECAUSE THE MUNICIPAL COURTS DON'T HAVE A TON OF RESOURCES. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBATION DEPARTMENT THAT CAN INDIVIDUALLY WORK WITH PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THEY FOLLOW UP ON COURT ORDERS. 
          AND SO THE MUNICIPAL COURTS ARE LIMITED JURISDICTION. 
          COURTS OFTEN USE ORDERS TO SHOW CAUSE, WHICH IS AN ORDER FROM THE COURT THAT SAYS, YOU NEED TO COME BEFORE THE COURT AND TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND SHOW THAT YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE COURT'S ORDERS. 
          AND SO FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASES, ONE OF THOSE ORDERS IS TO GO AND SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE ENGAGE IN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE COUNSELING. 
          SO THAT'S THE, THE PLAN TO HELP A PERSON CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR AND HAVE THAT POSITIVE BEHAVIORAL CHANGE. 
          DON'T COMMIT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. 
          PEOPLE ARE SAFER IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S A RESPONSIVE PROGRAM TO A NEED THAT THEY SEE IN THAT AREA. 
          AND SO I'M REALLY EXCITED TO WORK WITH YOUR NEW JUDGE AND HELP THEM IDENTIFY WHAT NEEDS COULD BE HELPED WITH A PROBLEM SOLVING COURT HERE. 
          UH, AND THEN OF COURSE TO, TO LET THE JUDGE KNOW ABOUT OTHER TREATMENT COURT, YOU KNOW, OTHER TREATMENT COURTS AROUND THE, THE STATE OR THE COUNTRY THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT FOR A MODEL PAGE. 
          MUNICIPAL COURT WORKED WITH ANOTHER MENTOR COURT, UH, ON THE EAST COAST, I THINK OUT OF NEW JERSEY IN ORDER TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST PRACTICES. 
          UM, AND OF COURSE, THERE'S ONE OF THE BEST CONFERENCES, UH, REALLY AROUND IS A ARIZONA ASSOCIATION OF TREATMENT COURT PROFESSIONALS HAS A PROGRAM IN PRESCOTT EVERY SINGLE SPRING. 
          THAT'S JUST A FANTASTIC EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM. 
          UH, I TRY TO GET ALL OF OUR TREATMENT COURT JUDGES TO GO TO THAT. 
          AND I WOULD LOVE IT IF YOUR PAGE MAG, UH, SEDONA MAGISTRATE WOULD GO TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROGRAM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU, PETE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I TOO WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. 
          UH, IT'S BEEN, I THINK, INFORMATIVE 
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FOR ME AND IT'S IMPRESSIVE TO SEE WHAT COCONINO COUNTY IS DOING. 
          I HAD ONE VERY BASIC QUESTION, WHICH IS JUDGE REED, YOU HAD MENTIONED BOTH THE PUBLIC DEFENDER AND THE LEGAL DEFENDER. 
          MR. CARVER, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? ? THAT'S A JOKE QUESTION. 
          . 
          WELL, WE'RE BETTER THAN THE, NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. 
          . 
          NO, THE, THE PUBLIC DEFENDER IS, UH, IS THE PRIMARY, UH, APPOINTMENT, UH, OFFICE FOR THE COURTS. 
          SO CASE COMES IN, THE JUDGE HAS TO ASSIGN AN ATTORNEY, GOES TO THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE. 
          UH, BUT ATTORNEYS HAVE TO ABIDE THE ETHICAL RULES. 
          YOU CAN'T, UH, REPRESENT, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE CO-DEFENDANTS IN, IN A CRIME, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          UH, YOU CAN'T REPRESENT SOMEBODY, UH, WHEN YOU ARE ALSO REPRESENTING A WITNESS IN THE CASE, WHICH HAPPENS IN SMALL COMMUNITIES A LOT. 
          SO LEGAL DEFENDER'S OFFICE FOR CRIMINAL CASES OPERATES AS WHAT WE CALL CONFLICT OFFICES. 
          SO WE TAKE THE, I ALWAYS PUT IT AS WE TAKE THE CASES THE PUBLIC DEFENDER CAN'T HANDLE. 
          AND, UH, BUT THE LEGAL DEFENDER ALSO HAS, UH, A UNIQUE ROLE IN THAT. 
          WE, WE PROVIDE COUNSEL FOR. 
          UM, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF OTHER LEGAL SCENARIOS IN WHICH YOU'RE ENTITLED TO COUNSEL. 
          UM, UH, AMON MENTIONED THE TITLE 36 PROCESS. 
          SO IF YOU'RE, UH, FACING INVOLUNTARY COMMITMENT, YOU GET AN ATTORNEY. 
          MY OFFICE HANDLES THAT. 
          UH, WE ALL, UH, HANDLE GUARDIANSHIPS. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY IS SEEKING GUARDIANSHIP OVER YOU, UH, WE WILL REPRESENT THE PROPOSED WARD. 
          WE HANDLE A VARIETY OF OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS, BUT THAT'S THE MAIN DIFFERENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND THEN JUDGE REED QUESTION ABOUT ALL THE SPECIALTY COURTS IN, IN UNDER YOUR PURVIEW. 
          DO JUDGES SPECIALIZE IN THOSE? DO THEY WORK MULTIPLE SPECIALTY COURTS? DO THEY ALSO DO OTHER REGULAR JUDGE DUTIES? , ONE OF THE 10 KEY COMPONENTS OF A EFFECTIVE EVIDENCE-BASED TREATMENT COURT IS TO HAVE A JUDGE STAY WITH THAT PROGRAM FOR A LONG TIME. 
          SO IT'S NOT BEST PRACTICES TO HAVE A JUDGE CHANGE EVERY SIX MONTHS OR EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, EVEN SO A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. 
          SO, UH, WE HAVE JUDGES THAT HAVE BEEN PRESIDING OVER THEIR SPECIAL, UH, TREATMENT COURT PROGRAMS FOR A LONG TIME. 
          SO I'M AT NOW YEAR 13 ON HAVING THE, THE RECOVERY COURT PROGRAM. 
          UH, AND THEN JUDGE STEIN LOGGER RECENTLY LAUNCHED A MENTAL HEALTH COURT. 
          SO HE'S BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS. 
          UM, AND SO YES, WE HAVE A LOT OF IN PRACTICE EXPERIENCE IN THESE PARTICULAR TREATMENT COURTS. 
          UM, THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY COULDN'T CHANGE. 
          WE COULD SHIFT THAT AROUND IF SOMEONE WANTED TO. 
          BUT, UH, THE JUDGES FIND THAT THE TREATMENT COURTS ARE REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF FILL YOUR CUP AND FEEL LIKE YOU ARE PARTICIPATING IN, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTING POSITIVELY TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN A JUDGE COMING TO SENTENCING AND SAYING, WELL, I'M GOING TO MAKE CERTAIN ORDERS, AND THEN YOU GO DO THOSE ORDERS AND I SURE HOPE THINGS WORK OUT WELL. 
          UH, IT'S NICE TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS, SO IT REALLY DOES FILL OUR CUP. 
          UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S SPECIAL TRAINING THAT JUDGES CAN GO TO IN ORDER TO BE APPROPRIATELY SKILLED IN THEIR PARTICULAR PROBLEM SOLVING COURT. 
          UM, AND YES, WE HAVE ALL THE OTHER DUTIES, , SO IT WOULD BE REALLY COOL TO BE JUST THE TREATMENT COURT JUDGE. 
          AND ACTUALLY OUT IN MOJAVE COUNTY, WE HAVE ONE JUDGE, JUDGE WILLIAMS, WHO HAS I THINK FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT TREATMENT COURTS, AND THAT'S WHAT HE DOES ALL WEEK, IS GO FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. 
          UH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY, SO I PERSONALLY HAVE A, A THIRD OF THE CRIMINAL CASES AND OUR TREATMENT COURT, AND THEN PRESIDING JUDGE SKITE. 
          SO THEN IF YOU CAN, GIVEN THAT PAGE IS MORE TO OUR SCALE THAN THE COUNTY MM-HMM . 
          AND YOU WOULD INFORMED US THAT PAIGE HAS ONE AND THEN A SECOND ONE, DOES IT REQUIRE ANOTHER JUDGE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN, IN PAIGE? IS, DID THEY HAVE TO HIRE ADDITIONAL MAGISTRATE JUDGES IN THAT SYSTEM TO OPERATE LIKE THAT? I DON'T THINK THEY DID. 
          I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A, A PRESIDING MAGISTRATE, AND THEN THEY HAVE, UH, SOMEONE THAT COMES IN SORT OF ON CALL TO HELP ANOTHER JUDGE. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THEY HAVE TWO FULL-TIME JUDGES. 
          UM, BUT I WILL BE EAGER TO CONNECT JUDGE INGER WITH YOUR NEW JUDGE. 
          UM, NUMBER ONE, THAT'S KIND OF AN EASY OFFLINE CONNECTION THAT THEY CAN MAKE IN ORDER TO TALK ABOUT SIMILAR SIZE JURISDICTIONS. 
          ALTHOUGH I BELIEVE YOU PROBABLY HAVE SOME DIFFERENT CHALLENGES. 
          AND SO OF COURSE THAT'LL BE JUST GOOD BRAINSTORMING. 
          UM, BUT THEN ONE OF THE SPECIAL THINGS ABOUT OUR COURTS IS THAT WE GET TOGETHER EVERY YEAR FOR A LIMITED JURISDICTION COURTS WORKSHOP. 
          AND SO ACTUALLY WE PREFER TO MEET IN, IN TWO CION. 
          IT'S KIND OF NOBODY'S HOME TERRITORY. 
          UM, BUT WE JUST GET AROUND THE TABLE AND GET EDUCATION, BUT ALSO COLLABORATION. 
          SO WE TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN OUR COURTS AND SHARE IDEAS. 
          UH, SO I'M SURE YOUR JUDGE WILL BE JOINING US IN MAY FOR OUR LIMITED JURISDICTION WORKSHOP IN TUCSON. 
          I MIGHT SUGGEST 
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SEDONA IS A LOCATION FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE. 
          WE DO LIKE TO MOVE IT AROUND, AND I ALSO HAVE TO HAVE TO ADD THE CAVEAT THAT YAVAPAI COUNTY IS EXTREMELY PROGRESSIVE IN DOING THE SAME KINDS OF THINGS, TRYING TO FIND DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS TO ALL THE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS. SO A LOT OF TIMES, UM, WELL OF COURSE WE ALL COLLABORATE AND WE ALL COMMUNICATE AND WE ALL COPY AND PASTE IDEAS FROM EACH OTHER. 
          AND I GET A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS FROM YAVAPAI COUNTY. 
          SO, GREAT. 
          I WANNA SAY THANKS TO JUDGE NAPPER AND HIS TEAM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR KATHY, UH, I'M SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE OF YOU, UH, MENTIONED THE 9, 8, 8 NUMBER, CRISIS NUMBER. 
          WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEBODY DIALS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONNECTED WITH A SOCIAL WORKER THAT CAN, UH, DEESCALATE THE SITUATION OR IF NECESSARY, CONNECT THEM WITH SOMEONE ON THE GROUND YEAH. 
          AND CAN CONNECT WITH ACTUAL RESOURCES, RIGHT? IF THEY NEED SHELTER FOR THE NIGHT OR MEDICAL TREATMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          I HAVEN'T CALLED IT MYSELF. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE EXACTLY, BUT THAT'S THE MODEL. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, WHAT, WHAT WAS HAPPENING, AND THIS IS A, A RESPONSE TO A LOT OF, UH, THE CALLS 9 1 1 WAS GETTING RIGHT, WHICH IS, UH, I'M SUICIDAL. 
          THAT'S NOT REALLY A CALL FOR A POLICE OFFICER, RIGHT? BUT OFTEN THE POLICE WERE RESPONDING TO THESE TYPES OF CALLS, UM, AND THEN THEY WOULD BE KIND OF THE SOCIAL WORKER DEFACTO, RIGHT? THEY WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET PEOPLE CONNECTED TO TREATMENT. 
          WE WANT POLICE OFFICERS, MY OPINION, UH, TO PROTECT OUR STREETS AND, UM, CATCH BAD GUYS. 
          WE DON'T WANT 'EM HAVING TO DO ALL THAT OTHER WORK THAT'S REALLY NOT WITHIN THEIR, THEIR PURVIEW. 
          SO THAT'S THE IDEA. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN ALL KINDS OF COMMUNITIES, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO START CALLING. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T CALL IT, UH, NINE ONE ONE CAN TRANSFER THEM. 
          AND IS THAT NUMBER ACTIVE IN THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE STATE? AND IS IT ACTIVE IN OTHER STATES? I BELIEVE IT IS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S, IT SHOULD BE NATIONWIDE NATIONAL CALL NUMBER. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S, YEAH. 
          AND I THINK IT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT STARTED, BUT IT'S, IT'S GAINING STEAM AND, UH, JUST LIKE MY 9 1 1 STARTED AT SOME POINT, RIGHT. 
          AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT, SO IT SHOULD BE THE NEXT THING. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU, DEREK. 
          UM, I NOTICED THAT THERE ISN'T A HOMELESS COURT. 
          IS THAT BECAUSE THESE OTHER COURTS TEND TO PICK THAT UP, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S ON YOUR RADAR SCREEN, OR WHAT IS THE, WHAT'S THE PLAN THERE? I HAVE HEARD OF IT AS A COMMUNITY COURT, AND I THINK I WAS SPEAKING WITH THE MAYOR EARLIER. 
          I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE EXPLORED IN OUR DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTY. 
          IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD FORESEE AS THE PRIMARY THING FOR A SPECIALTY COURT IN SUPERIOR COURT. 
          UM, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY, I THINK, A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM FOR OUR COMMUNITIES AT LARGE. 
          I COULD SEE ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN FLAGSTAFF MUNICIPAL COURT, UH, THEY HAVE A LOT OF CASES WHERE FOLKS GET ARRESTED AND THEY SEE A JUDGE THE NEXT MORNING, AND THEN THEY GET RELEASED, AND THEN THEY COME BACK INTO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND THEY SEE THE JUDGE THE NEXT MORNING. 
          AND THIS BECOMES A TREMENDOUS PROBLEM AND VERY EXPENSIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO I WOULD ENVISION A COMMUNITY COURT LIKE THAT, A HOMELESS COURT, TO TRY TO HELP GET PEOPLE CONNECTED WITH HOUSING SO THAT THEY COULD THEN HOPEFULLY FIND ALTERNATIVES TO NEEDING TO GO TO THE SHELTER OR COMMIT NEW CRIMES TO BE IN JAIL. 
          I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO EXPLORE BETWEEN ALL OUR COURTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          WE HOPE TO SEE YOU AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS GREAT WORK. 
          GIVES US A LOT OF INFORMATION WE DIDN'T HAVE AS WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE HOW WE ARE GONNA MOVE FORWARD, AND WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD IN SOME FASHION. 
          SO WE WANNA TAP INTO YOUR EXPERIENCE. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. 
          WE REALLY FEEL LIKE IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE PARTNERS OUT OF ALL OF OUR RESPECTIVE STAKEHOLDERS AND WORK COLLABORATIVELY TO TRY TO FIND THE BEST SERVE, ESTABLISH A CONVERSATION WITH EVERYONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          KATHY, THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          . 
          [3.c. AB 3292 Appointment of a City Lobbyist for the City of Sedona and the Sedona City Council 2026 Arizona Legislative Session subject to approval of an agreement by the City Manager and City Attorney.]
DO YOU WANNA READ THE AGENDA, BILL? MADAM MAYOR? OR JUST JUMP RIGHT IN. 
          OH, I'LL READ IT. 
          UM, 32 92, APPOINTMENT OF A CITY LOBBYIST FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA AND THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL 2026 ARIZONA LEGISLATIVE SESSION SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF AN AGREEMENT BY THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. 
          I'LL JUST KICK IT OFF REAL QUICK. 
          THIS ITEM'S TO DISCUSS, UH, COUNCIL'S 2026 LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. 
          UM, ALSO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT HOW IT WENT TO LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 
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I CAN JUST TELL YOU, UH, HOW THAT WENT IN OUR, IN PREVIOUS SESSIONS, UH, WE NEVER EVEN GOT OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL BILLS TO BE, UH, ASSIGNED TO COMMITTEES. 
          WE MADE A LITTLE BIT OF PROGRESS. 
          UM, UH, THE, THE PRESIDENT PETERSON AT LEAST SIGNED IT TO COMMITTEES, BUT THEN THEY NEVER GOT HEARING. 
          SO IT WASN'T A LOT OF PROGRESS, BUT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, WE'RE HOPING FOR A BETTER SHOWING THIS, UH, THIS TIME. 
          AND SO WE DO HAVE, BEFORE COUNCIL TONIGHT, THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, REAPPOINT, UH, KATHY SENSEMAN AS OUR, OUR, UH, UH, PUBLIC LOBBYIST FOR THE 2020, UH, SIX LEGISLATIVE SESSION, UM, IF THEY DECIDE TO DO SO. 
          AND WE HAVE THE AGREEMENT, UH, READY TO, TO SIGN IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL DECIDES TO DO. 
          UM, AND THEN AFTER KATHY GIVES US, UH, WHAT, UH, SHE'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH COUNCIL, UH, I THINK LAUREN WANTED TO TALK WITH COUNCIL IF THERE'S ANY OTHER PRIORITIES THEY WANTED TO HAVE THE STAFF AND THE PUBLIC LOBBYISTS, UH, FOCUS ON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I'LL TURN OVER TO KATHY MAYOR COUNCIL, KATHY SENSEMAN, POLICY DEVELOPMENT GROUP. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BE HERE TODAY. 
          UM, WANTED TO JUST SHARE THAT, THAT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK HAS GONE IN OVER KIND OF THE INTERIM. 
          UM, WE HAD A PANEL AT THE LEAGUE THAT WAS IN PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGEST BALLROOMS AND WAS, UH, VERY WELL ATTENDED. 
          WE HAD, I CALLED IT THE SUPER SECRET MEETING AFTERWARDS, AND WE HAD APPROXIMATELY 30 MAYORS FROM, UM, FROM AROUND THE STATE THAT CAME TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE AND TO KIND OF PLEDGE THEIR SUPPORT OF HOW THEY COULD HELP US. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MESSAGING THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN REALLY PUSHING FORWARD IS ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF RURAL ARIZONA. 
          UM, BECAUSE SO MANY TIMES THIS ISSUE GETS BOILED DOWN TO IT'S JUST PARTY HOUSES IN SCOTTSDALE. 
          AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY THEIR PROBLEM. 
          AND WE'VE REALLY MADE A CONCERTED EFFORT TO TALK ABOUT AND TO ELEVATE THE MESSAGING AND JUST WHAT'S FACTS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN RURAL ARIZONA. 
          AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WE'VE MADE SOME HEADWAY, YOU KNOW, WITH CERTAIN MEMBERS, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN IMPEDIMENTS. 
          AND SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING A, YOU KNOW, UM, A CONCERTED EFFORT. 
          UM, THE, YOU KNOW, SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT A BILL, AND I KNOW KURT HAS BEEN TALKING WITH THE LEAGUE AND DRAFTING OF LEGISLATION THAT WOULD ALLOW, UM, LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES TO HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER ZONING OR, YOU KNOW, A CAP NUMBER. 
          UM, THE MOJAVE COUNTY ASSESSOR IS GONNA PUSH LEGISLATION, UM, THAT WOULD, UM, INCREASE THE PROPERTY TAX OF AIRBNBS OR STR, UM, TO BE EQUIVALENT TO WHAT HOTELS PAY IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO, UH, AND I KNOW THAT, THAT SHE'S BEEN ENGAGED WITH OUR EFFORTS, UM, AND WE'VE KIND OF BEEN HAND IN HAND TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE. 
          UM, AND SO, SO YOU KNOW, IT'S AN ELECTION YEAR COMING UP, YOU KNOW, MIDTERM ELECTIONS IN 2026. 
          AND SO PART OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS TRYING TO HAVE SOME GRASSROOTS EFFORT AND MAKE THIS PART OF THE NARRATIVE. 
          UM, I'LL SHARE WITH YOU, I WAS JUST TALKING WITH THE, UM, TOURISM AND LODGING ASSOCIATION, AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY WERE GONNA HAVE A NUMBER OF LEGISLATORS KIND OF COMING THROUGH THEIR ORGANIZATION. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT MESSAGING, YOU KNOW, LIKE EVEN JUST ASKING THE QUESTION, WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO DO ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS? AND SO WE'VE BEEN PUSHING THAT NARRATIVE OUT THERE, UM, AND ASKING PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, IT COSTS YOU $0 TO ASK THE QUESTION. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST ASK THE QUESTION. 
          SO IT BECOMES MORE KIND OF IN THE ETHER OF PEOPLE HEARING ABOUT IT, IT BUBBLING UP IT. 
          SO, UM, SO WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THE FRUITS OF THAT LABOR WHEN WE'D GO TALK TO MEMBERS AND SAYING LIKE, I'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM MY MAYOR, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THIS WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO THEM. 
          AND SO, UM, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, THOSE EFFORTS. 
          I THINK A LOT'S BEEN DONE OVER THE LAST YEAR, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, INCREASE THE NARRATIVE, UM, AND TO BRING ALONG A, A VERY GOOD NUMBER OF RURAL ARIZONA MAYORS, UM, THAT ARE WILLING TO TRAVEL, UM, AND ARE WILLING TO TELL THEIR STORY. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE BETTER LUCK THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 
          UM, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT HAVING, YOU KNOW, BILLS SPONSORED BY MULTIPLE MEMBERS, UM, AND, AND LOOKING AT GETTING KEY MEMBERS THAT WOULD BE LIKE A COMMITTEE CHAIR, UM, YOU KNOW, TO SPONSOR IT AS WELL AS HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE LEADERSHIP, UM, THAT HAVE KIND OF PROMISED US TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THIS ISSUE. 
          SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR HAPPY TO GIVE YOU, LIKE, WHAT DO I THINK IS COMING FOR THIS NEXT LEGISLATIVE 
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SESSION IN GENERAL? WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE. 
          YEAH, GO PLEASE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO LET ME JUST GIVE YOU GUYS JUST A QUICK, UM, EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE ABOUT THE STATE BUDGET. 
          UM, OUR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, THE FIN, THE JOINT LEGISLATIVE BUDGET COMMITTEE HAS A FINANCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT MEETS REGULARLY AND KIND OF SAYS, HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          AND SO BASICALLY WHEN THE STATE BUDGETS ANYTHING THEY BUDGET IN A THREE YEAR CYCLE. 
          AND SO WHEN THEY LOOK AT THAT, THEY LOOK AT LIKE, WHAT IS GONNA BE THE LOWEST ENDING BALANCE OVER THAT THREE YEARS? AND THEN THAT'S WHAT CAN BE SPENT ON DISCRETIONARY FUNDING. 
          AND SO THAT NUMBER FOR THIS COMING LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS ONLY $67 MILLION, UM, IN A $17 BILLION BUDGET. 
          SO, UM, A VERY SMALL NUMBER THERE. 
          BUT THEN IF YOU KIND OF LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER PROBLEMS IN THE BUDGET, UM, THE LEGISLATURE'S BEEN KIND OF DOING THIS, THIS GIMMICK, WHICH IS A ONETIME ONGOING SPENDING. 
          SO I'M SURE ANY FINANCE PEOPLE WILL, LIKE, THEIR HEADS WILL EXPLODE TO, TO TALK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE BOOKING THINGS AS ONETIME FUNDING. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALSO BOOKED AS ONGOING. 
          AND SO THERE'S CLOSE TO A BILLION DOLLARS IN ONE TIME ONGOING. 
          AND SO, UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE IDEAS. 
          SO LIKE, UM, WHAT IS IT, 195 MILLION OF THAT IS STATE EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE SUBSIDY, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL FACILITY REPAIRS IS 183 MILLION OF THAT K 12 LOW INCOME ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE IS 66 MILLION. 
          AND SO THAT'S HOW THEY'VE BEEN KEEPING THE BUDGET KIND OF IN THE BLACK AND BALANCED IS TO CALL THESE THINGS ONE TIME VERSUS ONGOING. 
          NOW, ON TOP OF THAT, YOU ALSO HAVE ABOUT A BILLION DOLLARS IN IMPACT FROM HR ONE. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT IS, UM, AND JLBC DID A REALLY GREAT REPORT LOOKING AT KIND OF ALL OF THE IMPACTS OR EXPECTED IMPACTS FROM HR ONE. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE, THE BIGGEST ONES IS GONNA BE DO WE CONFORM TO THE FEDERAL INCOME TAX CHANGES? AND SO, UM, AND, AND, AND WHEN THEY DID THAT, SOME OF, SOME OF THESE INCOME TAX, FEDERAL INCOME TAX REFORMS ARE EFFECTIVE AS OF JANUARY, 2025. 
          SO THEY'LL AFFECT THE FY 26 BUDGET. 
          AND SO, UM, AND IF SO, IF WE CONFORM TO ALL OF THE FEDERAL CHANGES, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE TO, UM, THE REVENUE LOSS, UM, IN FY 26. 
          SO THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR WOULD BE $438 MILLION. 
          IF WE CAN FORM FOR THE COMING FISCAL YEAR 27, IT'D BE ANOTHER 336 MILLION THAT WE WOULD BE IN THE NEGATIVE IF WE WERE TO DO THAT. 
          UM, SO THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL BE A DEBATE. 
          YOU ALSO HAVE, UM, LOOKING AT IT'S TOPICAL, TALKING ABOUT THE DES SNAP FOOD STAMPS BENEFITS. 
          UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT D THAT, THAT THE FEDS DO IS IF YOUR ERROR RATE IS ABOVE 6%, THEY REDUCE YOUR SNAP BENEFITS. 
          WELL, I JUST SAW A PRESENTATION FROM JLBC LAST WEEK, AND THEY WERE SAYING FOR 2025, OUR ERROR RATE IS 15% AND OUR AVERAGE HAS BEEN 8%. 
          AND SO, UH, THAT'S SO OF THE $2 BILLION WE GET FROM THE SNAP FOR THE SNAP BENEFITS, UM, IT WOULD, IT COULD BE UPWARDS OF $140 MILLION IN THAT SERVICES THAT IS REDUCED BY THE FEDS BECAUSE OF THAT ERROR RATE. 
          UM, DES HAS REQUESTED $60 MILLION TO BE ABLE TO, UM, I GUESS, UH, TO, FOR THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS TO LOWER THAT ERROR RATE. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, REMEMBER WE ONLY HAVE 67 MILLION THAT'S IN DISCRETIONARY SPENDING, AND THAT'S JUST SNAP. 
          AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT ACCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'VE ASKED FOR $50 MILLION BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS COSTS TO IMPLEMENT THE NEW WORK REQUIREMENT PROGRAM. 
          AND SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT LIKE, WHAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE? SO THEY, WE MAY TALK ABOUT A $67 MILLION, YOU KNOW, UM, DISCRETIONARY SPENDING, BUT WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK DEEPER INTO THE BUDGET, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PITFALLS. 
          NOW, THERE IS ONE GOOD NEWS THAT IN HR ONE, THEY, UM, PROVIDED $10 BILLION TO REIMBURSE THE STATES FOR BORDER SECURITY. 
          AND THE GOVERNOR HAS APPLIED FOR $750 MILLION THAT WOULD COME TO THE STATE. 
          UM, NOW THOSE FUND, THOSE FUNDS DON'T GO DIRECTLY TO THE EXECUTIVE. 
          THEY GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND TO BE PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. 
          UM, AND SO THAT WILL, UM, THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE A FIGHT. 
          BUT WHEN I TALKED TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, I WAS JUST IN A MEETING YESTERDAY ON SOMETHING DIFFERENT, UM, AND JUST ASKED HIM WHEN THEY THOUGHT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO RECEIVE 
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THOSE THAT, THAT FUNDING FOR PAST BORDER SECURITY COSTS. 
          UM, THEY HAD NO IDEA WHEN, WHEN WE MIGHT RECEIVE THAT. 
          SO KIND OF THE TIMING OF THAT AND WHEN THEY DO THE BUDGET, UM, YOU KNOW, COULD EITHER BE VERY HELPFUL OR COULD JUST ALL BE WAITING FOR IT AND BE DEALING WITH A LOT OF DEFICIT WITHIN THE BUDGET. 
          UM, AND THEN JUST REALLY QUICK, THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY, WHAT THE EXPERTS HAVE ESTIMATED IS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SLOW GROWTH FOR THE NEXT YEAR. 
          UM, BUT IT DOES GRADUALLY IMPROVE. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE THINKING 2% GROWTH RIGHT NOW, UM, AND BY FY 29 GROWING TO ABOUT 4% GROWTH. 
          SO IF THEY'RE NOT PREDICTING RECESSION, BUT THEY'RE ALSO NOT PREDICTING METEORIC GROWTH IN OUR STATE REVENUE. 
          UM, SO SO WHAT THAT MEANS FOR, WITH, WITH THAT BIG OF NUMBERS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO THEY START LOOKING FOR MONEY? YOU KNOW, AND I WILL AND SAY THAT THIS, THE RAINY DAY FUND OR THE BUDGET STABILIZATION FUND, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE STATE SAVINGS ACCOUNT HAS $1.6 BILLION IN IT, UM, WHICH SETS US A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHERE WE WERE IN 2009. 
          THERE REALLY WASN'T A RAINY DAY FUND WITH SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS TO HELP WITH THAT RECESSION. 
          UM, BUT LEGISLATIVE LEADERS HAVE BEEN VERY, UM, CAUTIOUS TO USE THOSE FUNDS OR EVEN TOUCH THOSE FUNDS. 
          AND GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE WAS ASKED IF, WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH SNAP BENEFITS BEING CUT OFF, ESSENTIALLY IF MAYBE WE COULD USE THE RAINY DAY FUND, AND THE SPEAKER WAS JUST ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S FOR. 
          UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE WILL HAVE MONEY AVAILABLE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GONNA BE AN INTEREST TO USE IT, UM, FOR, FOR THE BUDGET. 
          SO THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS, BAD NEWS, WHICH IS MOSTLY BAD NEWS ABOUT THE STATE BUDGET. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, WHEN THEY GO LOOKING FOR MONEY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT FOR CITIES THAT ALWAYS GET CONCERNED ABOUT IS ARE THEY GONNA CUT STATE SHARED REVENUE? YOU KNOW, ARE THEY GONNA SWEEP HER F AGAIN? YOU KNOW, AND THEN ALSO WITH, IF YOU KNOW, THE OTHER NUMBER TO, TO BE LOOKING AT IS WHAT IS THE, UM, UH, THE INCOME TAX 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'VE FINALLY KIND OF MOVED OVER COMPLETELY TO THE FLAT INCOME TAX. 
          AND AS YOU KNOW, THAT AFFECTS STATE SHARED REVENUE, UM, AS WELL. 
          AND SO, UM, SO I GUESS I'M KIND OF DEBBIE DOWNER AND WHAT THE BUDGET'S GONNA LOOK LIKE NEXT YEAR AND KIND OF WHAT WE'LL BE DEALING WITH. 
          AND SO IN ADDITION TO THE BUDGET, I THINK DOMINATING A LOT OF THE SESSION 2026, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS A MIDTERM ELECTION YEAR. 
          SO CONVENTIONAL WISDOM SUGGESTS THAT WE WOULD COMPLETE THE BUDGET AND BE DONE WITH LEGISLATIVE ACTIVITIES QUICKER IN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION CLOSER TO THE A HUNDRED DAY SCHEDULE. 
          UM, UNLIKE WHERE WE'VE BEEN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, WHERE WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALMOST THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, UM, WE'VE BEEN INTO LATE JUNE, EVEN FIRST WEEK OF JANUARY OR OF JULY, UM, IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. 
          SO I THINK EVERYONE, UM, THAT WORKS AT THE CAPITOL IS HOPING THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO, UM, NOT A LOT OF, UH, SPIRIT OF COOPERATION, YOU KNOW, ON, ON A LOT OF THIS STUFF. 
          AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE COULD SEE TOO IS AS THE LEGISLA, AS THE GOVERNOR AND THE LEGISLATURE DISAGREE ON TOPICS OR THE GOVERNOR VETOES CERTAIN BILLS, WE COULD SEE THE LEGISLATURE REFER THINGS TO THE NOVEMBER 20, 26 BALLOT. 
          I KNOW THAT PRESIDENT PETERSON THIS PAST YEAR HAD SAID, YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE US REFERRING 10 OR 12 ITEMS TO BE ON THE NOVEMBER, 2026 BALLOT. 
          AND SO, SO WHAT COULD HAPPEN IS THINGS AREN'T PASSING, YOU KNOW, LIKE ELECTION LAW CHANGES OR EVEN SOME THINGS ON HOUSING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LEGISLATURE'S NOT GETTING THEIR WAY ON, UM, OR THE, AND NOT GETTING THEIR WAY ON, MEANING THE GOVERNOR DISAGREES AND IS VETOING IT BECAUSE LACK OF DEMOCRAT SUPPORT, WE COULD SEE THE LEGISLATURE PIVOT ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS, UM, AND DECIDE TO REFER TO THE BALLOT BECAUSE THEY ONLY NEED A SIMPLE MAJORITY TO PASS. 
          AND THEN IT GETS SENT TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND BYPASSES THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. 
          SO WE COULD ALSO SEE SOME OF THOSE, UM, SOME OF THOSE LEGISLATIVE ACTIVITIES HAPPENING. 
          AND AS A, AS A POLICY NERD, YOU KNOW, IT ALWAYS WORRIES ME WHEN WE START REFERRING A LOT OF THINGS BECAUSE THEN THEY BECOME VOTER PROTECTED AND THEN YOU CAN'T TOUCH THEM. 
          AND I REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN ANY LEGISLATION THAT DOESN'T HAVE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE, OR SOMEONE COMES UP LATER WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, LIKE CREDIBLE REASONS OF WHY YOU WOULD WANNA MAKE SOME TWEAKS TO IT. 
          BUT WE KIND OF HANDS HANDCUFF OURSELF WITH SOME OF THESE BALLOT INITIATIVES, UM, THAT WOULD THEN REQUIRE A TWO-THIRDS OR THREE-FOURTHS, UM, VOTE. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU CAN ONLY BE FURTHERING THE ACT 
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OF OF IT. 
          AND SO IT REALLY BECOMES MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO WHAT'S BEEN PASSED BY THE VOTERS AT THE BALLOT. 
          SO, UM, SO AS FAR AS, I'LL JUST REALLY QUICK GO INTO LEGISLATIVE ISSUES THAT WE'RE AWARE OF, UM, ON HOUSING. 
          SEEMS LIKE THERE'S ISSUE FATIGUE ON THIS. 
          I THINK EVERYONE'S BEEN BEATING EACH OTHER ABOUT THE HEAD SO MUCH ON HOUSING ISSUES. 
          BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE MAY SEE IS, YOU KNOW, THE MIDDLE HOUSING BILL THAT PASSED THIS LAST YEAR, UM, MAY SEE AN AMENDMENT, UM, TO EXCLUDE HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF THE BILL. 
          SO WE MAY SEE SOME, UM, SOME EFFORTS AND SOME STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AROUND THAT, UM, CAPACITY FEES AND SO KIND OF LIKE IMPACT FEES, CAPACITY FEES OR KINDA WHAT THE CITIES CHARGE FOR NEW WATER AND WASTEWATER CUSTOMERS BASED ON THE SIDE OF THE METER. 
          AND SO, UM, IN CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH FOLKS, THE HOME BUILDERS WANT TO LIMIT THE FEE SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY'VE DONE ON THE IMPACT FEES. 
          SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT HAPPENING. 
          UM, NOT THIS, ON THIS ONE, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA GET VERY FAR. 
          I THINK IT'S MORE OF A CAMPAIGN ELECTION YEAR TALKING POINT. 
          UM, BUT PROPERTY TAXES, UM, AND I KNOW THE CITY DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A PROPERTY TAX, BUT IN GENERAL, UM, THIS WOULD REALLY HURT SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND OTHER TAXING DISTRICTS, UM, OF WHERE THEY WANT TO, UM, EXEMPT PROPERTY TAX FOR PEOPLE OVER A CERTAIN AGE THAT HAVE ALREADY PAID OFF THEIR MORTGAGE. 
          AND SO, UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT HAS BEEN FLOATED BY SOME, BY SOME MEMBERS. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO, AND, AND I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO KIRK, UH, KURT ABOUT OUR, UM, CITY CHARTER, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ABOUT, UH, THAT WOULD REQUIRE VOTER APPROVAL FOR SALES TAX INCREASES IF THE CHARTER DOESN'T REQUIRE IT OR WOULD ALLOW THE COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT DECISION TO JUST MAKE IT ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          IF YOU INCREASE INCREASED ANY CITY SALES TAX, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO TO A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE. 
          AND THEN, UM, THERE'S SOME TALK ABOUT P-S-P-R-S. 
          UM, THE UNIONS WANT TO CAP THE RATE AT 9.5% FOR TIER THREE, UM, AND MAKE THE EMPLOYER PAY ANYTHING ABOVE THAT. 
          UM, SO THERE'S GONNA BE A NUMBER, NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT, UH, WILL AFFECT THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE CITY, UM, THAT WE EXPECT TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS NEXT LEGISLATIVE, UH, OR THIS NEXT LEGISLATIVE YEAR. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE HIGH POINTS, AND I'M SURE THEY INTRODUCE 1700 BILLS A YEAR, SO I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME MORE GEMS IN THERE FROM A MUNICIPAL STANDPOINT. 
          UM, BUT WE WILL BE, NOW, I'VE GOT LAUREN AND I WILL BE THE, THE DYNAMIC DUO GOING THROUGH ALL OF THOSE BILLS AND SEEING WHAT IMPACTS THE, WHAT IMPACTS THE CITY. 
          SO I'LL PAUSE THERE. 
          AND I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT, BUT IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS OR WANT ME TO DRILL DOWN, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT, KATHY, SO I WAS GONNA SAY, IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU, BUT NOW I'M THOROUGHLY DEPRESSED, SO YES, YOU'RE WELCOME, . 
          UM, BUT IT IS NICE TO SEE YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, YOU STARTED OUT, UH, WITH TALKING ABOUT, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF YOU SAID LEGISLATION OR ORDINANCE FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO HAVE MORE LOCAL ZONING CONTROL REGARDING THE STRS, BUT I'M WONDERING HOW CAN THAT EVEN, HOW COULD WE PIN ANY HOPE ON THAT, UH, WITH THE DIRECTION THAT THE LEGISLATURE'S BEEN GOING IN, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, STRIPPING ZONING AUTHORITIES FROM LOCALITIES. 
          SO CAN YOU GIVE ME A LITTLE MORE, MORE CONTEXT THERE? YEAH, WELL, IT, IT'S CERTAINLY AN UPHILL BATTLE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT, WHEN, WHEN YOU TALK TO RURAL ARIZONA, OTHER RURAL ARIZONA MAYORS, IT'S TO HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER YOUR OWN DESTINY. 
          AND I THINK REALLY IT'S, YOU KNOW, GETTING SOMETHING HEARD IN COMMITTEE THAT'S GOING TO FORCE A STAKEHOLDER MEETING TO HAVE A LEGITIMATE CONVERSATION. 
          'CAUSE TO BE HONEST, AIRBNB AND, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT COMPANIES, WHEN I'VE TALKED TO THEIR LOBBYIST, THEY PRETTY MUCH SAY, YOU KNOW, LOOK, I'LL, I'LL TALK TO YOU, BUT LIKE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO A STAKEHOLDER MEETING, YOU KNOW, AND SO REALLY IT'S, YOU KNOW, HAVING A BILL THAT WILL GET A HEARING, UM, THAT WILL MOVE THE NEEDLE AS FAR AS HAVING TRUE NEGOTIATIONS IS, IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY SHOOTING FOR. 
          AND IN KURT, I DUNNO IF I CAN, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE, WITH THE LEAGUE AND THE DIRECT, I DON'T KNOW, CALL IT THE DRAFTING GROUP, BUT THE FOLKS THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS AT THE LEAGUE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE, THE LEAGUE AND, UH, THE, THE CITIES THAT ARE INTERESTED, INSTRUCTOR RENTAL BILLER ARE STILL P THEIR HOPES ON THE SAME BILLS BEFORE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO, FOR SEDONAS TO BE ABLE TO CAP, UM, THE NUMBER OF SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          SO, UM, AND IT, YES, IT WILL STILL BE AN UPHILL BATTLE LIKE IT HAS BEEN EVERY YEAR IN THE PAST. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, I MEAN, IT'S A VERY FAIR POINT. 
          UM, 
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YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE ARE, YOU KNOW, SWIMMING UP UPSTREAM ON THIS. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S BEEN, UM, WHERE, WHERE I THINK WE'RE MAKING HEADWAY IS TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT, UM, RURAL MAYORS, RURAL COMMUNITIES THAT ARE REALLY HARMED BY WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH STR AND ENCOURAGING THEM AND HELPING THEM HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR LEGISLATORS, UM, SOME OF WHOM HOLD KEY COMMITTEE POSITIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO FORCE SOMETHING TO BE HEARD. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE STRATEGY. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SWITCH, UH, TOPICS AND OFF OF FSDR, YOU ALSO REALLY SCARED ME. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT A POSSIBLE SWEEP OF LIKE HER FUNDS, AND I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR STAFF AS WELL. 
          HOW MUCH OF OUR, UH, PUBLIC WORKS, UM, BUDGET IT RELIES ON HER FUNDS? LIKE WHAT PERCENTAGE LAST, LAST I HEARD ALL, LIKE, ALL OF STATE SHARED REVENUE WAS ONLY LIKE THREE TO 4 MILLION OUT OF OUR BUDGET, AND HERF WOULD BE EVEN A LITTLE BIT SMALLER PORTION OF THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND IT'S NOT PROPOSED OR ANYTHING, IT'S JUST WHEN YOU START SEEING THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE SEEING IN LIKE YEAH. 
          TO PREDICT WHERE ARE THEY GONNA GO? YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO DO A TAX INCREASE, THEY WOULD REQUIRE A TWO THIRDS MAJORITY VOTE OF THE LEGISLATURE TO INCREASE TAXES TO COVER THAT NUMBER. 
          UM, SO I DON'T WANNA, THE SKY ISN'T FALLING, BUT LIKE, JUST KNOWING WHEN THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, BILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT, UM, OR BILLION DOLLAR SHORTFALLS IN THE BUDGET, LIKE, LIKE IT COULD HAPPEN WITH, YOU KNOW, HR ONE, IF THEY IMPLEMENT EVERYTHING, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY GO LOOKING IN PLACES AND USUALLY ONE OF THE FIRST PLACES IS AT THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL. 
          SO I, NO ONE HAS PROPOSED THAT, SO I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, DON'T PLANT THAT SEED . 
          YEAH, SORRY. 
          BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM LIKE THINGS THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT AND WATCHING, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WE SHOULD KEEP AN EYE ON. 
          WE'RE ABOUT TO ENTER INTO OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR BUDGET, UM, PRIORITY SETTING. 
          AND WE DO, IT'S GOOD FOR YOU TO BE POINTING THIS OUT 'CAUSE WE DO NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT BECAUSE YEAH, HERF IS A SMALL PERCENTAGE, BUT ALSO THE SHARED REVENUE IS SMALL, BUT THAT'S, IT'S REAL, IT'S REAL THAT THAT COULD MAYBE NOT BE THERE. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S GOOD FOR US YEAH. 
          TO KNOW. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THE YEAH, I, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY LOW PROBABILITY JUST BECAUSE I DON'T THINK GOVERNOR HOBBS WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, ALLOW FOR THAT TO, BECAUSE THAT, I MEAN, THE CITIES ARE, MANY CITIES ARE ALREADY HURTING BECAUSE WE GOT RID OF THE RENTAL TAX, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TAX. 
          AND SO, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CHANGE TO THE FLAT TAX, OH, THAT WAS A REAL TREND, YOU KNOW? AND SO, UM, SO I CAN'T PREDICT WHAT THE GOVERNOR WOULD DO, BUT I, I JUST THINK IT WOULD, IT, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO BE IN SOME PRETTY DIRE SITUATIONS. 
          UM, SO WHAT THAT MEANS PROBABLY IS OUR LEGISLATIVE SESSION WILL GO TO JULY BECAUSE THEY WON'T AGREE ON, YOU KNOW, UM, CERTAIN MEMBERS WILL WANT DEEP CUTS, OTHER MEMBERS WILL NOT. 
          AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT THAT WILL KIND OF STAGNATE THE SESSION, UM, YOU KNOW, AND JUST KEEP THINGS OPEN. 
          AND MY LAST, WHICH IS ALWAYS SCARY. 
          MY LAST QUESTION ON, ON THE TOPICS THAT YOU RAISED WAS, WHEN YOU USE THE TERM THAT HOUSING, UH, HAS AN ISSUE FATIGUE MM-HMM . 
          AT THE MOMENT. 
          SO BASED ON THE FATIGUE, ARE YOU THINKING THAT THERE WILL BE LESS AGGRESSION, I THINK IS THE WORD I WANT TO USE FROM THE LEGISLATURE TO, TO PUSH FORWARD ON HOUSING? OR DO YOU MEAN THAT THERE'S FATIGUE IN TERMS OF, UM, MOUNTING, YOU KNOW, UH, OPPOSITION TO BILLS THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY LOCAL CONTROL ON HOUSING? I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND YEAH. 
          HOW FATIGUE IS MANIFESTING. 
          YEAH, . 
          YEAH. 
          I, I THINK IT'S JUST THAT THE NUMBER OF BILLS THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE, I THINK WILL BE LESS THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. 
          I MEAN, EVEN THIS TIME, BY THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR THERE WAS PROBABLY THREE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS ABOUT HOUSING ISSUES, AND THERE HASN'T BEEN A ONE YET. 
          UM, AND SO I THINK IN THE VOLUME OF HOUSING, I THINK IT'S GOING, IT, IT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE'S KIND OF TAKEN A BREATH ON THAT ISSUE. 
          AND SO I, I, SO I DON'T THINK WE'LL SEE THE NUMBER OF BILLS OR THE TYPES OF BILLS THAT, THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. 
          UM, AT LEAST THAT'S MY HOPE. 
          . 
          THANK YOU, PETE. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          KATHY, MY TURN TO ASK SOME SHORT TERM RENTAL QUESTIONS. 
          SURE. 
          'CAUSE WE'D ALL LOVE THE TOPIC. 
          UH, I'M CURIOUS WHETHER YOU'VE GOT AN UPDATE FOR US ON HOW YOU'VE, YOU TALKED ABOUT LOTS OF WORK GOING ON WITH MAYORS. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE COUNTIES AND THEN MAYBE IN PARTICULAR THE ASSESSORS? AND, UH, IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING, I FOLLOW A GROUP YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW OF CALLED STRONG TOWNS MM-HMM . 
          THEY RECENTLY 
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SENT THEIR TOP GUYS DOWN TO SOME NATIONAL CONFERENCE OF ASSESSORS TO HAVE THIS DIALOGUE. 
          SO I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE GOING. 
          YEAH, NO, WE'VE BEEN, UM, WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH, UH, COUNTY SUPERVISORS. 
          I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY SUPERVISORS ASSOCIATION ACTUALLY HAS THEIR ANNUAL MEETING RIGHT NOW, AND THERE IS A RESOLUTION THAT THEY'LL BE VOTING ON DEALING WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS. 
          UM, WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH, UH, MARICOPA COUNTY SUPERVISOR, KATE BROPHY MCGEE, TO GET THAT ON THEIR AGENDA. 
          UM, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THAT'S GOING TO PASS. 
          UM, UH, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO, UM, THE ARIZONA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES, WHICH IS, WHICH HOUSES THE ASSESSOR'S ASSOCIATION, UM, AND THE MOJAVE COUNTY ASSESSOR, UM, IS VERY ACTIVE, YOU KNOW, IN THAT SPACE. 
          UM, AND SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING AND COORDINATING, YOU KNOW, HOW WE COULD, YOU KNOW, MOVE THE NEEDLE, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR, NOT ONLY ON KIND OF THE ASSESSOR'S PROPERTY TAX BILL, BUT ALSO ON THE LOCAL CONTROL ISSUE AS WELL. 
          BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, I, I, WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT SUPERVISOR BROPHY MCGEE IS GOING TO BE VERY VOCAL, YOU KNOW, IN THE MEETING ABOUT THE EFFECTS THAT IT HAS. 
          UM, AND WE, AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PHOENIX, UH, A COUPLE PHOENIX CITY COUNCIL, WOMEN, YOU KNOW, ON THE ISSUE AS WELL ABOUT TRYING TO GET SOME OF THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS ENGAGED AND, YOU KNOW, UPSET, YOU KNOW, ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS MOVING IN AND CHANGING THE DYNAMIC OF THEIR COMMUNITY. 
          GOOD, GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, WHAT LESSONS LEARNED, WHAT GROUND GAME CHANGE MIGHT WE MAKE TO PREVENT THE DEAL THAT GOT STRUCK A FEW YEARS AGO BETWEEN THE LEAGUE AND THE SHORT TERM RENTAL COMPANIES AND, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, WELL, THAT WAS 10 YEARS AGO. 
          AND THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS 10 YEARS AGO. 
          NO, THERE WAS A MORATORIUM, YEAH, SORRY. 
          FIVE YEAR MORATORIUM ON IT. 
          AND SO, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, SORRY, FIVE YEAR MORATORIUM. 
          AND, UH, SO WE'RE COMING UP ON THAT. 
          AND SO WHAT I'VE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE IS NOW IT'S TIME FOR US TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH, LOOK AT WHAT WORKED, LOOK AT WHAT DIDN'T WORK, AND NOW IT'S TIME TO HAVE AN HONEST CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT SHORT TERM RENTALS HAVE DONE IN OUR RURAL COMMUNITIES. 
          AND SO WHEN, WHEN YOU, WHEN I PHRASED IT LIKE THAT WITH, WITH SOME MEMBERS, THEY GO, YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT'S WORKED, WHAT HASN'T WORKED. 
          UM, AND I KNOW THAT THE LEAGUE IS DEFINITELY GEARING UP FOR, YOU KNOW, TO BE MORE ENGAGED IN THE BATTLE, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT MORATORIUM, THEY, THEY WERE NOT AS ENGAGED. 
          UM, BUT THEY, BUT THEY ARE THIS YEAR, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT TIME, THAT MORATORIUM TIME PERIOD. 
          UM, AND I KNOW THAT THEY'VE HIRED, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL FOLKS TO HELP WITH IT. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, OR NOT MANY OF THEM, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO BRING RESOURCES TO THE TABLE THAT WE DID NOT HAVE LAST YEAR. 
          COOL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SWITCHING TOPICS, RURAL GROUNDWATER BILLS, WHAT DO YOU FORESEE? LAST YEAR WE HAD A LOT OF WATER BILLS. 
          HOW ABOUT THIS COMING LEGISLATIVE SESSION? I THINK THERE WILL BE MORE WATER BILLS. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING'S GONNA PASS, YOU KNOW? UM, BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE GOVERNOR WANTS AND WHAT CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE WANT ARE REALLY NOT ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          AND I THINK THAT YOU'VE SEEN A DWR, YOU KNOW, START PUT, OR, YOU KNOW, PERPETUATING OR PUTTING FORWARD, UM, THE WILCOX A MA, THEY JUST OPENED ONE FOR LA P COUNTY WITH RENE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS UPSETTING TO SOME, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REALLY HELPS WITH THE, WITH THE CONVERSATION OR NOT, UM, AS FAR AS LIKE GETTING SOMETHING PASSED, BUT, UM, FULLY EXPECT THERE TO BE A NUMBER OF WATER STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AND, YOU KNOW, UM, SOME EFFORT TO DO RURAL GROUNDWATER MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, BUT IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TIRED, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. 
          I THINK A LOT, A LOT OF EFFORT'S BEEN PUT IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS TO DO SOMETHING AND, AND THEN IT JUST HAS FALLEN FLAT. 
          AND, AND, BUT I, BUT I, I THINK PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA TRY AGAIN. 
          I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING JUST YET. 
          GREAT. 
          LAST COMMENT. 
          I WANTED MAKE, AS YOU MENTIONED, P-S-P-R-S, AND I KNOW THAT YOU, YOU PROBABLY KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS CITY, THIS COUNCIL AND PREVIOUS COUNCIL , WORKED REALLY HARD TO DO HEROICS TO PAY OFF OUR P-S-P-R-S DEBT. 
          AND I SURE WOULD HATE TO SEE ANYTHING MOVE THAT WOULD RE JEOPARDIZE OUR POSITION. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          AND, AND I CAN TELL YOU THE, THE LEAGUE IS VERY POISED TO BE ENGAGED IN THAT CONVERSATION. 
          UM, 'CAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOVE MY PAY GRADE TO UNDERSTAND HOW ALL, ALL OF THAT WORKS. 
          BUT, 
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UM, BUT I KNOW WHEN I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, THEY'RE VERY, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY READY TO BE ENGAGED IN THAT CONVERSATION. 
          AND, AND THEY DO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS, ESPECIALLY FOR CITIES THAT WERE KIND OF LIKE THE GOOD ACTORS THAT TRY, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT MADE HEROIC EFFORTS, YOU KNOW, TO PAY DOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DELTA BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO, UM, SO I THINK THERE'LL BE A VERY CONCERTED EFFORT. 
          AND, AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT'S THE UNIONS THAT ARE BRINGING THIS FORWARD. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE'LL SEE. 
          WE'LL SEE HOW THAT FIGHT UNFOLDS. 
          BUT I THINK IT WILL BE, UM, WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT P-S-P-R-S THIS YEAR THAN WE HAVE IN YEARS PAST, IS MY GUESS. 
          MAYOR BRIAN. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          HELLO AGAIN, KATHY. 
          HELLO, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, JUST PICKING UP ON PETE'S WATER THING. 
          SO WE'RE, WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE, UH, WE'RE STILL SELLING OUR LIFEBLOOD OF WATER VIA ALFALFA TO THE SAUDIS, RIGHT? AND THERE'S NOT BEEN POLITICAL WILL TO STOP THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU KNOW, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WAS A LAWSUIT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND I, AND I BELIEVE ATTORNEY, ATTORNEY GENERAL SU YEAH. 
          AND I BELIEVE THE GOVERNOR, BUT LEGISLATIVELY OH YEAH. 
          LEGISLATIVELY. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, SO THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF, UH, BILLS DEALING WITH FOREIGN ENTITIES MM-HMM . 
          OWNING LAND. 
          UM, AND, UH, THERE WAS ONE, ONE THAT PASSED LAST YEAR. 
          I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I, I THINK, I THINK THAT THERE IS, THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN INTEREST IN, IN IT, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS 10 82 OR 10 66, THERE WERE TWO BILLS. 
          ONE WAS VETOED, ONE WAS SIGNED, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH IS WHICH. 
          UM, BUT, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'S DEFINITELY A CONCERTED EFFORT ON FOREIGN ENTITY OWNERSHIP, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT LIKE CHINA, UM, RUSSIA, YOU KNOW, VERY MUCH TARGETING SOME SPECIFIC COUNTRIES THAT ARE ON, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT WATCH LISTS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, WHICH IS HOW THEY WROTE BOTH OF THOSE BILLS. 
          UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I, I, I THINK WE'LL SEE MORE, MORE OF THOSE BILLS. 
          BUT ANYTHING DIRECT DIRECTED, LIKE AT FONDA MONTE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A SPECIFIC WATER. 
          FONDA MONTE BILL, I, YOU KNOW, I, WE DIDN'T REALLY SEE THAT IT WAS MORE THIS, UM, UH, KIND OF BROADER GENERIC VERSION. 
          UM, BUT I'M AWARE, I BELIEVE THE GOVERNOR DID REVIEW THEIR LEASE AGREEMENTS AND FOUND THEM TO BE IN VIOLATION OF THOSE LEASE AGREEMENTS AND REVOKE THEM. 
          AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE IN, IN COURT, UM, TRYING TO FIGHT THAT OUT RIGHT NOW. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLES. 
          SO YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT MM-HMM . 
          TOPIC WITH US. 
          UH, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE INDUSTRY CONTINUING TO PUSH FOR, UH, THE HIGHER WEIGHT LIMIT? YES. 
          I, I DO, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE, UM, THE WOMAN THAT'S THE LOBBYIST FOR POLARIS. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I, THAT IS ONE THAT I ANTICIPATE COMING BACK. 
          IS THERE ANY FATIGUE FROM THE LEGISLATURE OF, OKAY, BEEN THERE, DONE THAT? LET'S JUST HOLD, HOLD CONSTANT, BECAUSE WE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT'S NOT REALLY A TOPIC THAT'S LIKE, KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, TOP FIVE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO MEMBERS. 
          UM, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY GET, GET A TEMP CHECK ON THAT. 
          UM, IT SEEMS TO BE MORE ONE THAT'S, DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE LIKE A BROAD SUPPORT GROUP, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE OF LIKE THE INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, PUSHING IT AND KIND OF THROWING THEIR WEIGHT AROUND, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT WITH IT. 
          OKAY. 
          ON THE BUDGET, UH, BETWEEN FLAT TAX AND EA, I MEAN, THAT'S CRUSHED THE STATE BUDGET BY AND LARGE. 
          YOU DIDN'T MENTION ISSA. 
          DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANY POLITICAL WILL TO, UH, RATCHET BACK ISSA? I DO NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND I ASSUME THE SAME WOULD BE TRUE WITH FLAT TAX, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T, A FLAT TAX TO CHANGE THE FLAT TAX WOULD REQUIRE A TWO THIRDS MAJORITY VOTE. 
          AND I DON'T SEE THEM BEING ABLE TO MUSTER THE REPUBLICAN VOTES IN AN ELECTION YEAR TO, TO CHANGE THAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AND JUST ON, ON THE ESAS, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL SHARE WITH YOU THAT, UM, SUPERINTENDENT TOM HORN, UM, ATTEMPTED TO PUT SOME GUARDRAILS ON THE PROGRAM. 
          UH, AND THAT WAS VERY UPSETTING TO THE PRO ESA FOLKS. 
          AND, UM, AND IN MY OPINION, PROBABLY BROUGHT, BOUGHT HIM HIS PRIMARY CHALLENGER, WHICH IS THE TREASURER, THE STATE TREASURER, KIMBERLY YEE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS A GROUP OF PEOPLE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TOW THE LINE ON ESAS AND, OR, YOU KNOW, TOW THE, THE COMPANY LINE, I'LL CALL IT, OF, OF NOT HAVING ANY GUARDRAILS ON IT. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN BACK TO STR, YOU MENTIONED, WELL, I, I WAS AT THE, UH, THE SPECIAL MEETING YEAH. 
          AT THE LEAGUE CONFERENCE, RIGHT. 
          AND THE MOJAVE ASSESSOR, SORT OF THE GUEST OF HONOR, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          I WAS OF THE IMPRESSION DURING THAT MEETING THAT SHE WAS 
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GOING TO ACT, AND I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT NEEDING LEGISLATION. 
          BUT THIS EVENING I'M HEARING YOU TALK ABOUT POTENTIALLY NEEDING LEGISLATION. 
          SO HAS SOMETHING CHANGED? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SHE IS ACTING IS, IS WHAT IS ACTING TO, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT SHE CAN DO IMMEDIATELY. 
          APPARENTLY. 
          THERE'S LIKE SOME STEPS AS AN ASSESSOR YOU HAVE TO TAKE BEFORE YOU CAN JUST IMPLEMENT IT. 
          UM, AND SO I THINK SHE'S TRYING TO DO A TWOFOLD, BECAUSE I THINK RIGHT NOW SHE'S THE ONLY COUNTY ASSESSOR, UM, WILLING TO KIND OF STEP OUT, STEP IN FRONT OF THE TRAIN, YOU KNOW, ON THIS. 
          AND SO, UM, AS FAR AS I, AS FAR AS I'VE HEARD FROM HER, SHE'S STILL, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DUAL TRACK ON, ON, ON DOING THIS. 
          WHERE DO YOU THINK THE RIGHT PLACE IS TO APPLY PRESSURE TO OTHER COUNTY ASSESSORS, SAY COCONINO AND YAVAPAI? YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, BUT I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE MOJAVE COUNTY ASSESSOR IS DOING A LOT OF WORK TO APPLY THAT PRESSURE AND, AND MAKING IT A PART OF THEIR, UM, THEIR CONVERSATIONS, THEIR MEETINGS. 
          UM, AND, AND I THINK SHE, WHAT, HOW SHE SEES IT, AND I DON'T WANNA PUT ANY WORDS IN HER MOUTH, BUT I THINK SHE WANTS TO BE THE EXAMPLE OF HOW TO DO IT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY SHE'S, I THINK, BEING VERY BOLD RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU MENTIONED MEETING WITH A LODGING AND TOURISM GROUP TO TRY TO GET A PULSE ON, UH, S STR. 
          WOULD THAT BE A-Z-L-T-A? YES. 
          SPECIFICALLY, CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          ARE THEY ACTUALLY WILLING TO ADVOCATE ANYTHING AGAINST SHORT-TERM RENTALS? ANY RESTRICTION? 'CAUSE I'VE HAD QUITE THE DUST UP WITH THEIR, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, PRESIDENT, WHOEVER, WHATEVER TITLE SHE GOES BY. 
          I HAD A VERY GOOD CONVERSATION WITH HER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          UM, JUST LAST WEEK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE EFFORTS THAT WE WERE MAKING AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR THEIR HELP, YOU KNOW, IN THIS. 
          AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, SHE'S GOTTA TAKE IT TO HER BOARD. 
          AND SO SHE WAS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE NON-COMMITTAL. 
          UM, BUT SHE HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE, SHE HAS INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS THAT ARE, THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE MORE ACTIVE IN THIS SPACE, UM, AND KIND OF MAYBE HELPING GET THEM ENERGIZED AND MORE ENGAGED INDIVIDUALLY. 
          UM, AND SHE MENTIONED, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME, THAT'S FROM THE SEDONA AREA, BUT SHE HAD MENTIONED HIM SPECIFICALLY AND, UH, THOUGHT THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ENGAGE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE WHOLE BOARD DOESN'T WANNA GET OUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, KNOW. 
          BUT SHE ALSO MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE NATIONAL BRANDS ARE BECOMING MORE ENGAGED AND MORE INTERESTED IN THE ISSUE THAN THEY HAVE BEEN BEFORE. 
          UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, WE JUST AGREED WE'D KEEP TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE WERE AT AND ANYTHING THAT THEY COULD DO TO BE SUPPORTIVE, WE WOULD VERY MUCH WELCOME. 
          AND NATIONAL BRANDS LIKE MARRIOTT HAVE A DIVISION THAT HAS SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          SO AREN'T THEY CONFLICTED? I MEAN, YEAH, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC BRANDS MM-HMM . 
          UM, BUT SHE DID TALK ABOUT, SOME OF HER MEMBERS HAVE EXPRESSED TO HER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MORE OF A NATIONAL CONCERN OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH STR. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE CONFLICTED WHEN THE DAY IS DONE. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE HERE TO PROMOTE TOURISM, NOT TRADITIONAL LODGING TOURISM. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          UH, A QUESTION FOR KURT. 
          LET'S JUST SAY FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE, THAT WE DID A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH A LOCAL, ON A LOCAL APARTMENT PROJECT, AND THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT INCLUDED SAY, A 10 YEAR PROHIBITION ON SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          OKAY, LET'S SAY THAT HAPPENED IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, THEN TWO YEARS FROM NOW, THE STATE LEGISLATURE SAYS, YES, YOU CAN HAVE A CAP. 
          AND SO WE CAP, AND THAT CAP IS WELL BELOW WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          SO IN THEORY, IT'LL BE FOREVER BEFORE, YOU KNOW, YOU BLEED DOWN THAT NUMBER TO THE CAP. 
          BUT FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT WE ENTERED INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH, WOULD THEY HAVE THIS HIGHLY SPECULATIVE, BUT IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ANY TYPE OF GRANDFATHERED RIGHTS TO CONVERT AFTER 10 YEARS, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE STILL IN EXCESS OF A CAP AT THAT TIME? DO YOU FOLLOW MY QUESTION? YES. 
          UM, SO THEY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT, MOST LIKELY TO STILL, UM, ANY OWNER AT THE TIME WE, WE ISSUED A CAP, WOULD BE ABLE TO FILE FOR A, UH, PROP 2 0 7 WAIVER FROM IT. 
          SO ONCE OUR CAP EXPIRED, THEY COULD STILL FALL UNDER THE FUTURE WAIVER. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE THE MOST, ONCE OUR, ONCE OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT EXPIRED. 
          SO WHEN YOU 
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FILE FOR A PROP 2 0 7 WAIVER, IT RUNS WITH THE LAND PERMANENTLY, FOREVER. 
          UM, SO AS LONG AS THE OWNER WAS THE OWNER AT THE TIME, WE INSTITUTED A CAP, UH, THEN THEY COULD, UH, REQUEST THE WAIVER. 
          AND IF GRANTED, UM, THEN THAT RUNS WITH THE LAND. 
          AND SO THEN WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT EXPIRES, I THINK IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DO SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          GREAT. 
          THANKS FOR THAT. 
          . 
          I, I'LL STRIKE THAT IDEA. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE WE GOING TO TALK SEPARATELY FROM ALL THESE QUESTIONS FOR KATHY? ARE WE GONNA TALK SORT OF ABOUT PROCESS THIS TIME AROUND STILL? YEAH. 
          IS THAT SORT OF STUFF YEAH, WE ARE, BUT I, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          UH, THE, THE MOMENTUM THAT WE GAINED, AND I WILL GIVE CREDIT TO THE FORMER MAYOR FOR HIS WORK IN THIS, IN, IN THIS REGARD, PUT A LOT OF EFFORT IN, AND HE GOT A LOT DONE. 
          AND NOW, DO YOU FEEL THAT THE LOSS OF HIS ENERGY HAS, YOU KNOW, POKED A HOLE IN THAT BALLOON? ARE WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO REGAIN THAT? BECAUSE I HAVE GOTTEN SOME, WELL, THIS, ACTUALLY, I'M, I'M NOT ASKING YOU A QUESTION. 
          SO , WE'RE GONNA RELAX THE RULES SOMEWHERE, , UH, OR WE'RE MOVING INTO COMMENTS. 
          UH, BUT MY QUESTION SLASH COMMENT IS, I HAVE GOTTEN SEVERAL DIFFERENT, UH, COMMUNITIES HAVE ASKED, NOW THAT THE MAYOR HAS RESIGNED, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT WAS KIND OF COUNTING ON HIM TO BE OUR SPOKESPERSON. 
          AND HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY FEEDBACK FROM ANY OF THE LEGISLATORS CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHANGE IN ADMINISTRATIONS HERE, OR ANY? HONESTLY, MAYOR, I HAVE NOT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAYOR JABO DID, I MEAN, THAT MAN WAS ON THE PHONE A LOT, YOU KNOW, WITH FOLKS. 
          AND, UM, BUT I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WORK THAT HE DID, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE, WE CAN DEFINITELY CONTINUE WITH IT. 
          UM, I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD ROLODEX, YOU KNOW, OF THE FOLKS THAT HE WAS CHATTING WITH, UM, THAT, THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, BUILD UPON. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK GOING FORWARD, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, MAYORS THAT WEREN'T ENGAGED, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AGO. 
          LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT PAGE AND WILLIAMS AND JEROME AND, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT CITIES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, EVEN SHOW LOW, YOU KNOW, AND SOME OTHER PLACES THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, SAID, WE WANNA BE IN THE GAME THIS TIME AROUND. 
          AND SO, UM, SO I THINK IT'S JUST GONNA BE A MATTER OF HOW DO WE ENGAGE, YOU KNOW, WITH THEM. 
          I KNOW, I MEAN, SCOTTSDALE HAS REACHED OUT AND SAID THEY WANNA BE MORE INVOLVED AND, AND, UH, THINGS HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY BETTER THERE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ALTHOUGH OUR STRATEGY IS REALLY ABOUT RURAL VERSUS, YOU KNOW, LARGE CITIES. 
          UH, WHAT, SO LAST YEAR WE ADDED A, UH, TO YOUR MORE FIREPOWER TO, TO YOUR, UH, CONTRACT. 
          ARE WE MISSING ANYTHING NOW? I MEAN, ARE DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR US GOING FORWARD OF HOW WE CAN AMP UP THIS EFFORT? 'CAUSE I DO THINK WE HAVE CREATED MOMENTUM, AND IT MAY BE THAT THIS IS OUR BEST SHOT THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, TO GET THIS DONE. 
          SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? YEAH. 
          AND, AND IT GOES TO YOUR QUESTION, PETE. 
          UM, WHAT DO WE NEED TO CHANGE, OR HOW DO WE NEED TO ADJUST THE STRATEGY? YEAH. 
          SO I, I THINK IN, UM, LAUREN, I CAN DEFER TO YOU FOR SURE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH GORDON, JAMES PR, UM, TO POTENTIALLY ENGAGE THEM. 
          UM, THEY'RE, THEY ARE A, THEY'RE NOT A TRADITIONAL PR FIRM. 
          LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GONNA WRITE PRESS RELEASES OR THEY, THEY CAN DO THAT, BUT, UM, BUT WHAT THEY'RE REALLY GOOD AT IS, UM, CREATING A NARRATIVE WITHIN THE MEDIA, UM, OF, OF GETTING, UH, OF, OF GETTING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO BE DELIVERING THE MESSAGE. 
          UM, GETTING THEM ON AIR, GETTING THEM ON, YOU KNOW, GETTING OP-EDS PLACED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND REALLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS GO INTO SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, AND ENGAGE THE FOLKS THAT, UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO, HELP THEM WRITE OP-EDS, HELP THEM BE, YOU KNOW, IN THE MEDIA, HELP THEM BE ON SOCIAL MEDIA, 
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YOU KNOW, ELEVATING THE ISSUE, YOU KNOW? UM, AND THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF, UM, CREATING THAT CONTENT. 
          AND I THINK THE NARRATIVE OF RURAL ARIZONA, UM, NEEDS TO BE ELEVATED. 
          AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I CAN DO IT IN TALKING TO INDIVIDUAL LEGISLATORS, BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IN, YOU KNOW, IN A COMING ELECTION YEAR, HOW DO WE ELEVATE, YOU KNOW, THIS ISSUE, YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING THAT, UM, AIRBNB HAS CREATED A PAC, UM, AND I'VE UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY'VE COMMITTED HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE PAC. 
          AND SO JUST IN ARIZONA. 
          JUST IN ARIZONA. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, SO HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE COMBAT, HOW DO WE COMBAT THAT? AND I THINK IT IS WITH CREATING THAT NARRATIVE OF, YOU KNOW, THE DEMISE OF SO MANY OF OUR RURAL COMMUNITIES. 
          UM, AND SO WE'VE GOTTA PUSH THAT, PUSH THAT NARRATIVE OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE LEGISLATURE. 
          UM, BUT THAT ALSO VERY MUCH COMPLIMENTS THE LEGISLATIVE STRATEGY, UM, BECAUSE THE MORE THAT LEGISLATORS ARE HEARING ABOUT THAT, THE MORE THAT THEY'RE PICKING UP ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS, THE MORE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, SEEING IT IN THEIR NEWSPAPER AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          IT HELPS CREATE THAT GRASSROOTS, UM, THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, TO MAKE THIS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, LEGISLATORS THAT ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD SOME LEGISLATORS SAY, I DON'T EVEN WANNA TALK ABOUT IT. 
          I HATE THIS ISSUE. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, BUT IF ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S POPPING UP ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA OR THEIR MAYOR'S TALKING ABOUT IT, OR THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE ENGAGING, YOU KNOW, ON THE CONTENT, UM, IT STARTS MOVING THE NEEDLE, UM, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THE ISSUES OF HOW WE NEED TO MOVE THE NEEDLE AT THE, AT THE CAPITOL. 
          SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A COMPLIMENTARY STRATEGY OR, OR TO THE LEGISLATIVE STRATEGY. 
          HOW IMPORTANT DO YOU THINK IT IS? I, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE EVERYTHING GETS, YOU KNOW, BOILED DOWN TO ITS SIMPL MOST SIMPLISTIC, AND LIKE I SAID IN THE BEGINNING, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS, EVERYONE JUST IS LIKE, AH, PARTY HOUSES. 
          LIKE, NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT REALLY OUR ISSUE. 
          AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO OVER THE LAST YEAR IS DEVELOP THIS. 
          NO, IT'S, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN RURAL ARIZONA. 
          UM, MAYBE YOU DON'T END UP DOING SOMETHING FOR A BLANKET FOR THE ENTIRE STATE, BUT YOU REALLY NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN RURAL ARIZONA. 
          UM, SO, SO I THINK AS FAR AS THAT MESSAGING STANDPOINT AND THAT NARRATIVE, I THINK IT IS CRUCIAL TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          AND LAUREN, YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE'RE HOPING TO GET, UM, THUMBS UP FROM, FROM ALL OF YOU TONIGHT, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          THIS WOULD BE, IN ADDITION TO KATHY'S CONTRACT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE PROCUREMENT AUTHORITY, UM, FOR THE CITY MANAGER. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE YOUR BUY-IN AND SIGN OFF BEFORE WE DO THAT, TO ENGAGE, UM, UH, WITH A PR COMPANY, UH, TO, LIKE KATHY'S SAYING, KIND OF BOOST, BOOST OUR EFFORTS AND, AND HOPEFULLY, UM, CREATE THAT GRASSROOTS, UM, GROUNDSWELL THAT WE NEED IN ORDER FOR THE LEGISLATORS TO, TO CARE MORE THAN THEY HAVE IN THE PAST. 
          IS IT APPROPRIATE, KURT, FOR US TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION UNDER THE, THE, UH, I WAS JUST PULLING UP THE AGENDA BILL. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, IT'S CERTAINLY PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY, SO IT CAN BE DISCUSSED. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE COUNSEL GIVE DIRECTION ON THAT TO GO THAT FAR. 
          I WOULD, I, I, I THINK YOU'RE FREE TO DISCUSS IT, BUT NOT TO PROVIDE DIRECTION NECESSARY ON IT. 
          DOES ANYBODY WANNA ASK ANY QUESTIONS WITHOUT GIVING DIRECTION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT?  DISCUSSION CAN CONCLUDE YOUR OPINION, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE A THUMBS UP VOTE OR HAVE COUNCIL TAKE ACTION ON THIS TO INCLUDE YOUR OPINIONS. 
          , IF IT'S IN HER PROCUREMENT AUTHORITY, DOES SHE HAVE TO GET DIRECTION FROM US? I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID. 
          IF IT'S IN HER PROCUREMENT AUTHORITY, DOES SHE HAVE TO HAVE DIRECTION FROM US? NO, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN SHE CAN'T ASK. 
          SO, BUT WE, THE WAY IT'S, IT'S PHRASED IS, WAS SET UP FOR THE PDG CONTRACT AND APPOINTING, UH, SENTIMENT AND THEN DISCUSSING LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. 
          SO BRIAN, YEAH, MY QUESTION, WHAT, WHAT, UH, WHAT KIND OF BUDGET ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE 50,000. 
          SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN. 
          50,000. 
          AND ONE OTHER QUESTION, KATHY, FOR THE LAST SESSION, 
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UM, WE HAD ASKED YOU TO WORK WITH THAT OTHER FIRM IN PART, IS THAT A, DID THAT GO WELL, NOT WELL MATTER, DIDN'T MATTER. 
          DO YOU, ARE WE THINKING WE WANT TO CONTINUE LIKE THAT? WHAT, UH, YEAH, ORACLE STRATEGIES WAS GREAT TO WORK WITH, UM, AND, AND WAS EFFECTIVE. 
          UM, I MEAN, REALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE VERY BROAD DEMOCRAT SUPPORT, AND I THINK ORACLE STRATEGIES WOULD TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE KIND OF MORE OF A DEMOCRAT LEANING FIRM. 
          UM, AND THEY, THEY REALLY DID A WONDERFUL JOB OF KIND OF GARNERING THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR CHALLENGE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IS WITH CERTAIN REPUBLICAN MEMBERS, UM, THAT WERE TRYING TO SWAY. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, GENERATING THIS NARRATIVE AND FOCUSING ON CERTAIN REPUBLICAN MEMBERS IS REALLY KIND OF HOW WE'RE CHANGING UP THE STRATEGY FROM THIS PAST SESSION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT YOUR CONTRACT DOES INCLUDE ORACLE AGAIN? YES, MA'AM. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          MELISSA, JUST TO AN EX EXPRESS AN OPINION. 
          UM, I ALWAYS THINK IT'S THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS NOW IS WE TRY TO ENGAGE THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE VOTING FOR PEOPLE, UM, IN CERTAIN AREAS. 
          AND WE DO THAT VIA MEDIA. 
          UM, WE DON'T GO IN RALLIES AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          IT'S ALL BY MEDIA. 
          AND, UM, IT'S ALSO THE WAY IN WHICH MANY PEOPLE GET EDUCATED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT. 
          UM, THEY SEE IT AND ON THE MEDIA THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING, OR THEY HEAR IT FROM THE VOICES THAT THEY THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO THEM, UM, AND THEY PAY ATTENTION. 
          SO IT FEELS LIKE IF, IF WE THINK THIS IS OUR YEAR, THEN YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THESE KINDS OF STRATEGIES FOR SURE. 
          UM, OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST PROBABLY GONNA GET RUN OVER BY SOMEONE WHO'S DOING THE SAME THING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, WHO HAS WAR, CHEST, AND PACTS, UM, THAT WE JUST HEARD ABOUT. 
          SO, UM, LIKE IN MY OPINION, I THINK THIS IS WHERE THE WORLD IS, AND WE, WE NEED TO BE THERE AND NOT JUST THINK THAT WE CAN WALK INTO PEOPLE'S DOORS, SHAKE THEIR HANDS, HAVE A CONVERSATION AND SWAY THEM. 
          WE HAVE TO SWAY THE PEOPLE WHO WILL IMPACT THEM. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I HAVE TO SAY ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE ANY OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES SPENDING MONEY, LIKE WE ARE ANY OF THESE OTHER RURAL MUNICIPALITIES HAVA SIOUX CITY, OR, NO? I, I, I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT LAKE HAVASU CITY DOES HAVE A LOB, A CONTRACT LOBBYIST. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, CAN'T TELL. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HE WAS HIRED SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BUT I KNOW THAT I WORKED WITH HIM AN AWFUL LOT THIS PAST YEAR. 
          UM, AND I BELIEVE PRESCOTT JUST HIRED, UM, A CONTRACT LOBBYIST AS WELL. 
          AND SO, UM, SO I THINK THAT THE, THE SMALLER COMMUNITIES THAT CAN PRIORITIZE, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOMEONE AT THE CAPITOL FOR THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, SEEING THAT HAPPEN. 
          UM, BUT AS FAR AS BEING A VERY SPECIFIC SHORT-TERM RENTAL, YOU KNOW, UM, I'LL CALL IT A BUY, YOU KNOW MM-HMM . 
          LIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT JUST YET, BUT I, LIKE I SAID, THE, I KNOW THAT THE LEAGUE IS GEARING UP ON THIS ISSUE AS WELL. 
          WHAT COTTONWOOD JUST HIRED A LOBBYIST, CAMP VERDE AS WELL. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE, THE PR ASPECT OF GETTING THAT KIND OF MONEY POOLED FROM THESE MUNICIPALITIES? IS THAT PRACTICAL? IS THAT DOABLE? OR DOES THAT BECOME PACK LIKE AND WE CAN'T DO THAT AND NO. 
          WELL, I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, THAT, UM, WITH MAYOR JALO, WE ATTEMPTED THAT THIS PAST YEAR. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, HAD ASKED SMALLER MUNICIPALITIES LIKE, CAN YOU EVEN THROW IN A COUPLE THOUSAND BUCKS? YOU KNOW, LIKE MM-HMM . 
          YOU KNOW, THINKING IF WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, SMALL AMOUNTS OF MONEY, WE COULD GET THERE AND THERE NO ONE SEEMED TO BE  SUPER INTERESTED IN THROWING SOME DOLLARS TOWARDS THAT, TOWARDS THIS EFFORT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY ELSE WANNA SHARE A POINT OF VIEW ABOUT THIS ISSUE? WELL, I'LL EXPRESS AN OPINION THAT'S REMARKABLE, LEE, SIMILAR TO COUNCILOR DUNN THAT, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE TWIST OF TRY SOMETHING NEW . 
          ANYWAY, I, I THINK WE GOTTA GO FOR IT. 
          AND THEN IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE CAN REGROUP AND FIGURE OUT WHAT ELSE WE SHOULD DO OR NOT DO. 
          YEAH. 
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DO I SEE NODDING HEAD? I, I MEAN, I'M NOT TAKING AN INFORMAL VOTE OR ANYTHING. 
           A QUESTION FOR YOU, MAYOR. 
          HOW, HOW DO YOU ENVISION YOURSELF ENGAGING ON THIS ISSUE IN THE UPCOMING LEGISLATIVE SEASON? WELL, I HAVE BEEN WITH MAYOR JALO IN EVERY MEETING HE'S EVER HELD AT THE LEGISLATURE, SO I WOULD CONTINUE IN THAT REGARD AND INVITE ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS DAIS TO COME AS WELL. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR WE DIDN'T HAVE VERY MANY MEETINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY JUST WEREN'T VERY INTERESTED IN TALKING TO US. 
          BUT I THINK WE SHOULD INVITE, IF YOU ALL AGREE WITH THIS, OUR DELEGATION TO COME MEET WITH US MM-HMM . 
          THE, SO IT'D BE SELENA BLISS AND WYN AND, AND SENATOR FINCHEM BEFORE THE SESSION BEGINS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND I WOULD, YOU KNOW, SENATOR FINCHEM, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCED A BILL THIS PAST YEAR THAT WOULD HAVE COMPLETELY ELIMINATED THE STATUTE FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          AND REPRESENTATIVE BLISS INTRODUCED THE, THE BILL THAT HAD KIND OF OUR, OUR CAPS, YOU KNOW, IN IT. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE TWO EXCELLENT MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN VERY VOCAL, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND ACTUALLY KIND OF PUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEIR MONEY, WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS AND INTRODUCING BILLS. 
          UM, BUT I DO AGREE, YOU KNOW, I THINK MEETING WITH THEM PRIOR TO SESSION, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO TALKING ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS, TALKING ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER PRIORITIES OR EVEN CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, UM, OF, OF WHAT THE LEGISLATURE CAN DO, YOU KNOW, TO CITIES, I THINK WOULD BE A VERY POSITIVE THING FOR THE CITY TO DO. 
          YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO THE START OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THEY REPRESENT A LOT OF OUR OTHER COMMUNITIES AS WELL. 
          AND I KNOW AT THE SENATOR KELLY WAS HERE A FEW MONTHS AGO TO TALK ABOUT HEALTHCARE AND THE HR ONE BIG, BAD, BEAUTIFUL, GORGEOUS BILL, UH, AND THE IMPACTS ON RURAL HEALTHCARE. 
          AND WE JUST HAD THE, UH, OUR HEALTH SYSTEM YESTERDAY, NORTHERN ARIZONA HEALTHCARE, COME TALK TO US AT THAT MEETING THAT THEY INVITED ALL THE MAYORS FROM THIS AREA, PLUS, UH, THE GAMMA MEMBERS, THE, UH, GREATER ARIZONA MAYOR'S ASSOCIATION. 
          AND, UH, MAYOR AT THE TIME, MAYOR JALA WAS UNABLE TO GO TO THAT MEETING. 
          SO HE ASKED ME TO ATTEND IN HIS STEAD, AND I TALKED TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, AND THEY ALL SAID WHO WERE THERE WE'RE WITH YOU ON SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UH, MAYOR JAO AND I PRESENTED TO THAT GROUP, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR. 
          UM, AND WE ALSO PRESENTED TO THE ARIZONA RURAL SCHOOLS ASSOCIATION TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, GARNER AS MUCH RURAL SUPPORT AS WE COULD. 
          AND WE'RE STILL TALKING TO ALL OF THOSE GROUPS AS WELL. 
          AND, AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT SUPERVISOR CHECK HAD SENT OVER, AND I SHARED THAT WITH KATHY, THE, UH, RESOLUTION THAT THE, UH, SUPERVISOR'S ASSOCIATION WAS GONNA BE, UH, TAKING A VOTE ON AND, AND DISCUSSING, AND SHE'S VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THEM TAKING A POSITION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEY HAVE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE, SO THAT'S NEW AS WELL AS THE ASSESSORS. 
          UH, DEREK, A QUESTION FOR KURT. 
          WOULD IT BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR ME TO EXPRESS THE OPINION THAT I'M NOT GONNA SECOND GUESS THE CITY MANAGER'S DECISION IF SHE WERE TO EXERCISE HER PROCUREMENT AUTHORITY? NO. 
          COUNCILLOR FAF, YOU CAN, YOU CAN EXPRESS THAT. 
          CONSIDER, CONSIDER THAT OPINION EXPRESSED. 
          SO KATHY, ONE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION, UH, IS THAT THERE WAS A TERRIBLE BILL THAT PASSED AND, AND THE GOVERNOR APPROVED IT. 
          I GUESS BECAUSE SHE VETOED SO MANY OF THESE HOUSING BILLS, UH, SHE FELT LIKE SHE HAD TO PASS ONE OF THEM, SIGN ONE OF THEM, AND IT HAS THE, WE'RE JUST UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT NOW, AND IT REALLY, IT REALLY TAKES AWAY A LOT OF AUTHORITY FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          AND I DON'T THINK WE REALLY UNDERSTOOD THE IMPACT OF IT AS IT WAS MAKING ITS WAY THROUGH THE SESSION. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED LAST YEAR ABOUT YOU KEEPING AN EYE OUT FOR US ON SOME OF THESE OTHER ANCILLARY 
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ISSUES, BUT THIS ONE TURNS OUT TO BE A BIG ONE BECAUSE IT ELIMINATES THE PUBLIC FROM THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING, UH, PLANS. 
          AND, UH, AND I THINK THAT'S TERRIBLE. 
          IT, IT, IT, IN AN ATTEMPT TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS, IT ELIMINATES ALL PUBLIC INPUT, WHICH IS NOT VERY DEMOCRATIC WITH A SMALL D YEAH. 
          . 
          UH, SO WE ASKED YOU, CAN YOU HELP US IN BROADEN THE SCOPE SOMEWHAT FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, OF COURSE, UH, FOR MORE THAN STR AND I THINK WE GAVE YOU ONE OR TWO DIFFERENT THINGS FOR OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLES AND YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE. 
          BUT, UH, WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD LET US KNOW WHEN YOU THINK, AND THE LEAGUE OF COURSE DOES THAT TOO, BUT LET US KNOW IF SOMETHING IS MOVING FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE THAT'S GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT ON US. 
          SO KATHY, SHE'S REFERRING TO HOUSE BILL 24 47, AND, AND KATHY DID SPECIFICALLY MENTION IT TO US IN ONE OF HER REPORTS. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK WE UNDERSTOOD THE IMPACT IMPLICATION WE DID, BUT IT IMPLICATION, IT WAS ALSO, IT WAS ONE THAT MOVED FAST AND IT WAS JUST DONE BEFORE. 
          AND SO THE, THE BIG CITIES WANTED, THE LEAGUE SUPPORTED IT, UM, AND THEY WERE TRYING TO STAVE OFF SOMETHING THEY FELT WAS MORE, UH, DAMAGING. 
          AND SO THE LITTLE CITIES, THEY SAID, SORRY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. 
          SO, AND IT WAS PASSED WITH LIKE TWO THIRDS SUPPORT IN BOTH CHAMBERS, WHICH IS KIND OF UNHEARD. 
          IT WAS A BIPARTISAN BILL, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE VERY MANY OF. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE THAT ONE CAME FROM. 
          KATHY, ON THAT, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. 
          WE ACTUALLY DID TAKE A POSITION ON THAT BILL. 
          WE DID HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, BUT THEN IT WAS LIKE DONE. 
          BUT WE, I, DO I RECALL THAT CORRECTLY OR AM I THINKING OF ANOTHER BILL? I, IF I REMEMBER IT CAME UP EARLY IN THE SESSION AND IT WASN'T A CONCERN TO US. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT, YEAH, NO, I DON'T THINK IT WAS THE, THE POPULATION, BUT IT WAS GONNA BE ABOUT MANDATORY REVIEW FOR OR, OR DESIGNATING, UM, UH, ARCHITECTS AND PLANNERS THAT WERE GONNA BE PREFERRED TO BE ABLE TO, THEY'LL GO THROUGH A QUICKER REVIEW PROCESS. 
          AND WE WEREN'T CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ONE. 
          I'D TALKED TO STAFF, UH, BUT THEN IT GOT SWITCHED TO THE, IT WAS, IT'S, AND IT'S BEEN IN THE LAW'S BEEN THERE FOREVER, THAT WE MAY, UM, NOT HOLD THE, LIKE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO P THAT STUFF. 
          AND THEY, THEY SWAP THOSE TWO THINGS THAT, OKAY, WELL IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF WE CAN'T DO THIS, THEN WE WANT THIS TO BE GIVEN UP. 
          AND THAT WAS THE, THE SWAP THAT WAS MADE, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. 
          SO WE DID NOT TAKE THEM, I DON'T THINK WE DID BECAUSE WE WEREN'T GOING TO THE BEGINNING. 
          AND THEN IT HAPPENED PRETTY QUICK AND THEN IT WAS OVER WITH, WELL, THERE'S ALWAYS STRIKERS. 
          MAYBE IT WAS A STRIKER TOO, OR AT LEAST I DON'T, TWO BILLS DON'T STRIKER. 
          NO, IT WASN'T A STRIKER, IT JUST, THEY AMENDED IT AND PASSED IT ON STRIKER STRYKER. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, DO YOU MIND, COULD WE TALK ABOUT THAT PROCESS A LITTLE BIT? KATHY AND I TALKED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER TODAY, UM, ABOUT CONSIDERING THE TIMING OF OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS AND SOMETIMES HOW QUICKLY THINGS ARE MOVING AND NOT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY NECESSARILY TO COME TO YOU? ARE THERE, UM, A LIST OF NON-NEGOTIABLES THAT YOU WANT TO LIST OUT SO THAT KATHY KNOWS THAT IF SHE NEEDS TO MAKE A QUICK, UM, DECISION ON, ON YOUR BEHALF, THEN SHE CAN DO THAT? OR DO YOU WANNA MAKE AN OFFICIAL LIST? WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL? OR DO YOU JUST WANT US TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS, UM, TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY? WE'LL BRING EVERYTHING TO YOU AT A COUNCIL MEETING KNOWING THAT SOMETIMES SOMETHING'S GONNA FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA MEET YOUR TIMING WITH A COUNCIL MEETING. 
          YOU WANNA SPEAK MORE TO THAT, KURT? DID YOU I COULD JUST SAY ONE THING ON THAT. 
          THERE, THERE IS A HANDFUL OF TIMES THAT I TOOK A POSITION, UM, NOT A HANDFUL, MAYBE TWO TIMES. 
          AND THAT PROBABLY JUST, WELL, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT I GONNA GET COUNCIL SUPPORT, SO WE'LL GET A POSITION OUT THERE EARLY, UM, AND THEN HAVE CONFIRMED THAT WITH COUNCIL. 
          SO ESPECIALLY IF SOMETHING COMES UP A DAY OR TWO AFTER COUNCIL MEETING, WE'VE GOT A WEEK PLUS BEFORE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, SO THAT'S PRETTY RARE. 
          SO, UM, BACK TO, YOU KNOW, LAUREN'S CORRECT THAT OVERALL WE COUNCIL LIKES TO WEIGH IN AND BE HEARD ON EVERY SINGLE BILL. 
          AND SO WE'RE, OUR HANDS ARE KIND OF TIED WHAT WE CAN GENERALLY DO IN BETWEEN COUNCIL MEETINGS. 
          KATHY, WELL SAID. 
          BECAUSE FOR ME, I KNOW I WANT TO HEAR EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE INFORMED SO THE COMMUNITY HAS QUESTIONS OR WE WANT TO MAYBE ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY ON SOMETHING. 
          AND WE CAN'T DO THAT IF WE DON'T HEAR IT. 
          SO I WANT TO, I WANT ME, I WANNA HEAR EVERYTHING THAT SAID. 
          UM, THERE ARE, IF TIME IS AN ISSUE FOR 
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ME AT LEAST, THERE'S A, UM, ANYTHING THAT THREATENS LOCAL CONTROL, I WANNA MAKE SURE ACTION IS TAKEN QUICKLY AND DECISIVELY ON. 
          UM, AND ANYTHING THAT, FOR ME AGAIN, AND IT'S UP TO HOW WE FEEL UP HERE COLLECTIVELY, ANYTHING THAT LIMITS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, OVERSIGHT OR OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT, ALSO WE NEED TO TAKE A POSITION ON DECISIVELY QUICKLY. 
          UM, THOSE ARE MY TWO PRIMARY AREAS. 
          I'M SURE OTHERS WOULD COME UP, BUT IF TIME'S A FACTOR. 
          MAYOR, IF I MAY. 
          YES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT I MADE TO, YOU KNOW, LAUREN WAS OF MAYBE COMING UP WITH A LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FOR, FOR THE COUNCIL, WHICH WOULD BE KATHY, TO YOUR POINT, OR COUNCILMAN TO YOUR POINT OF KIND OF THE NON-NEGOTIABLES, RIGHT? LIKE, DON'T TOUCH STATE SHARED REVENUE, YOU KNOW, NO PREEMPTION, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST, YOU KNOW, BUT IT WOULD BE, I WOULD SAY IT'D BE LIKE A GUIDEPOST FOR ALL OF US TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SAY, WELL, THE COUNCIL HASN'T TAKEN A POSITION ON THIS, BUT ACCORDING TO OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, THIS WOULD VIOLATE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COUNCIL WOULD WANT TO SEE. 
          BECAUSE ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, THEY INTRODUCE 1700 BILLS IN THE SPAN OF A COUPLE WEEKS, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, AGENDAS FOR THE FOLLOWING WEEK'S COMMITTEE DON'T COME OUT UNTIL LIKE THURSDAY AFTERNOON, FRIDAY MORNING. 
          UM, AND, AND THOSE COMMITTEE MEETINGS ARE MEETING EVERY WEEK, JANUARY THROUGH THE END OF MARCH. 
          AND SO SOMETIMES THAT SCHEDULING DOESN'T LINE UP WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH WHEN YOUR COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, SO I, SO I WOULD SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, COMING UP WITH, YOU KNOW, NOT AN OVERLY COMPLICATED, BUT YOU KNOW, KIND OF A SIMPLE TO THE POINT LEGISLATIVE AGENDA THAT, UM, LAUREN AND I COULD BRING BACK TO YOU FOR APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR INPUT. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE WAYS IN OTHER CITIES THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH IT IS WE HAVE THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, BUT THEN IT'S NOT ME IN A VACUUM, YOU KNOW, TAKING A POSITION ON A BILL, IT'S IN, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN CONSULTATION WITH LAUREN, YOU KNOW, WITH KURT, WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH ANNETTE, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DOING THAT GUT CHECK. 
          LIKE, HERE'S WHERE I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WILL BE, WE CAN BRING IT TO THEM AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, YOU KNOW, TO, YOU KNOW, BE INFORMED ABOUT. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE EYES ON IT. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE JUST SOME BILLS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE, WE'RE JUST GONNA BE OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, AND, BUT I THINK HAVING KIND OF THE RULES OF THE ROAD IN A LEGISLATIVE AGENDA THAT YOU ALL ADOPT, I THINK WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. 
          SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU, BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU MIGHT COMPOSE THAT LIST TO COME BACK FOR OUR REVIEW TO ADD OR DETRACT OR YEAH. 
          DO YOU, WHERE, WHERE DOES, WHAT'S THE GENESIS? DOES IT START WITH YOU BRINGING US OR START WITH US? 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW A WAY FOR US TO COLLECTIVELY DO THAT OUTSIDE OF A ME. 
          SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO BRING TO US THEN FOR YEAH, I THINK WE CAN GET YOU A DRAFT TO FEEDBACK ON. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND THIS WOULD GIVE US THOSE TIMES, THOSE TWO TIMES WHERE KURT HAD TO DO IT WITHOUT LETTING YOU ALL WEIGH IN FIRST. 
          IT WOULD GIVE US SOMETHING TO GO ON KNOWING THAT EVERY OTHER TIME, UM, WE WOULD BRING IT TO YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW US WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW WHERE WE STAND ON A LOT OF THINGS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHAT YOU BRING BACK TO US WILL BE PRETTY THOROUGH AND COMPLETE, AND THEN WE CAN RE REACT TO IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR. 
          CAN WE TALK ABOUT PROCESS A LITTLE BIT? MM-HMM . 
          THEN IN TERMS OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN KATHY AND COUNCIL, KATHY AND MAYOR. 
          'CAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE JUST GONE THROUGH SOME CHANGE HERE. 
          AND ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS ESSENTIALLY UNILATERAL ACTION. 
          AND WE DID NOT KNOW EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON THAT THE MAYOR WAS REPRESENTING THE CITY AT PARTICULAR EVENTS THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT UNTIL AFTER THE FACT. 
          OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE SPECIAL MEETING IN SCOTTSDALE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT IN SCOTTSDALE, RIGHT? I KNOW, RIGHT? LIKE, THAT SEEMS A LITTLE LATE AND I'M NOT PINNING THAT ON YOU. 
          RIGHT? BUT HOW DO WE GET THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT, RIGHT? SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A COUNCIL, WE FEEL EQUALLY INFORMED AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE RECOGNIZE THE MAYOR IS GOING TO BE THE FACE OF THE CITY PROBABLY MANY TIMES DURING THE, THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 
          AND I THINK, I MEAN, AT LEAST FOR MYSELF, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE INFORMED AND THAT THE MESSAGE IS A CONSISTENT ONE, THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THERE IS CONSENSUS FROM THE DI ON. 
          SO HOW DO YOU WORK, AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE OR TWO TIMES, UH, BEFORE THAT YOUR PRIMARY CONTACT AS I RECALL, BUT TELL ME IF IT'S, I RECALLED 
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IT WRONGLY WAS WITH THE CITY MANAGER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND I'LL SAY IN, IN WITH MUNICIPALITIES THAT WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH A CONTRACT WITH, UM, WE TYPICALLY WORK THROUGH THE INTER INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS KINDA MANAGER. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE THE LAUREN, YOU KNOW, UM, POSITION, THE LAURENS, THERE ARE SO MANY , THERE ARE MANY HATS. 
          UM, IN FACT, WE WERE EVEN TALKING ABOUT CADENCE, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM . 
          OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, OF KIND OF THE, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ONLY LAUREN CAN ATTEND OR JUST LIKE KURT COULD ONLY ATTEND LIKE AT THE LEAGUE, YOU KNOW? AND THEN HOW DOES THAT LOOK TO TRANSLATE TO, YOU KNOW, GIVING ME DIRECTION, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS, UM, ENSURING THAT YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, ARE INFORMED. 
          AND SO I THINK SOME OF THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF A WORK IN PROGRESS, YOU KNOW, BUT WITH MOST CITIES OR MUNICIPALITIES THAT WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH, THERE'S USUALLY A WEEKLY CALL, UM, THAT WE HAVE WITH THE INTERGOVERNMENT RELATIONS MANAGER. 
          UM, SOMETIMES THOSE CALLS INCLUDE A COMPONENT WITH THE CITY MANAGER OR WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF JUST DEPENDING ON IT, ON, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE TIMING, YOU KNOW, OF THINGS. 
          SO IT, IT REALLY IS KIND OF FUNGIBLE AND KIND OF UP TO YOU GUYS HOW, HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT CADENCE OR, YOU KNOW, OR HOW, YOU KNOW, THAT COMMUNICATION, UM, WHATEVER THE STYLE IS BEST FOR THE CITY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE HAPPEN. 
          UM, AND, UH, AND YOU KNOW, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING LEGISLATIVE REPORTS ON A WEEKLY BASIS OF KIND OF, HERE ARE THE BILLS WE'RE TRACKING, OR HERE ARE THE BILLS THAT THE CITY HAS TAKEN A POSITION ON, HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THEM, WHAT HAS HEARINGS COMING UP, YOU KNOW, UM, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, THAT WE CAN DO, UM, TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU. 
          BUT TYPICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, MY COMMUNICATION ISN'T WITH INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          IT'S THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE DESIGNATED STAFF, YOU KNOW, PERSON, AND WE KIND OF COME UP WITH THE, AGAIN, WITH THE CADENCE, WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WANT THAT, UM, CYCLE TO BE EVERY WEEK? UM, AND LIKE I SAID, IT COULD BE, COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A ZOOM ONCE A WEEK. 
          IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET AN EMAIL, YOU KNOW, FROM LAUREN, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT LIKE, HERE ARE ALL THE BILLS, HERE'S, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD BE BEST, WHAT YOU ALL WOULD WANT TO SEE. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT I CAN PRODUCE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT YOU GUYS KIND OF HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, AT THE CAPITAL AS WELL AS THE BILLS THAT WE REALLY CARE ABOUT. 
          UM, KIND OF KNOWING THE STATUS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THOSE. 
          SO, UM, WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT TOGETHER. 
          I, I THINK WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST WAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT IF YOU ALL AGREEABLE, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU AND LAUREN AND, AND ANNETTE AND KURT COME BACK TO US WITH YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE APPROACH. 
          I CAN MAKE A COMMENT IN MY DEFENSE, . 
          YEAH, OF COURSE. 
          UM, UH, OH, THERE'S NOTHING TO THAT. 
          WELL, THE MAYOR SAID THAT I WAS THE PRIMARY CONTACT NO, AFTER TALKING NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          I DIDN'T SAY THAT. 
          I SAID THAT, THAT, UH, KATHY SAID IN SOME OF HER OTHER CLIENTS, THE CITY MANAGER OKAY. 
          HAD BEEN THE PRIMARY CONTACT. 
          THE ONLY PROJECT I WORKED ON LAST SESSION WAS THE, UM, ECONOMIC STUDY WITH JIM ROUNDS. 
          NO, I THINK YOU, YEAH, NO, I IT WAS A MISH HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, KURT WAS DOING TRIPLE DUTY AND, BUT ANYWAY, THIS HAS BEEN A SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION FOR SEVERAL YEARS WITHIN OUR CITY OF HOW WE WANT TO OPERATE AND HOW, AND WHO IS THE PRIMARY CONTACT. 
          SO I'M REALLY GLAD THAT WE, THAT LAUREN HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO DO THIS AND SHE KNOWS IT'S GONNA TAKE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF HER TIME DURING THE SESSION AND SHE'S PREPARED FOR IT. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE NEED A MOTION ON THE CONTRACT BEFORE THAT, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT SURE. 
          THE ACTUAL, UM, AGENDA BILL, WHICH IS THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF IT ADDRESSES THE FINANCIAL COMPONENT, BUT UP AT THE TOP OF THE AGENDA, BILL EXPENDITURE REQUIRED ZERO AMOUNT, BUDGETED ZERO. 
          UM, JUST HAVE ME UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          SO THAT WOULD JUST BE A MISTAKE. 
          IT SHOULD HAVE THE AMOUNT BUDGET, IT SHOULD HAVE SET A HUNDRED THOUSAND, THE, THE CONTRACTS FOR 94,000 OR 95,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO A LITTLE UNDER BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THAT WAS JUST BECAUSE THIS WAS PUT 
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TOGETHER JUST LAST WEEK AT THE LAST MINUTE THROWN ON THIS AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE, THE NUMBERS SHOULD BE IN THERE. 
          SO SHOULD THEY NOT THEN THE AMOUNT BE REFERENCED IN THE A MOTION? IT, IT CAN BE. 
          SO IN THE, THE PAST MM-HMM . 
          THAT, I THINK THIS IS THE EXACT SAME MOTION FROM LAST YEAR, JUST CHANGING 25 TO 26, UM, BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN ANNETTE'S AUTHORITY, BUT WE WANT DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL. 
          AND SO IT, IT'S FINE, BUT YOU CAN ADD IT SINCE IT'S NOT IN THE UP ON THE AGENDA. 
          BILL FOR THE RECORD HERE, I, I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE HAVING IT IN THERE, SO THAT'S PERFECT. 
          FINE. 
          JUST SO IT'D BE AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED A HUNDRED THOUSAND. 
          YOU COULD ADD THAT IN FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION? SURE. 
          , UM, I MOVED TO A APPOINT KATHY SENSEMAN OF POLICY DEVELOPMENT GROUP AS CITY LOBBYIST FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA AND THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL 2026 ARIZONA LEGISLATIVE SESSION NOT TO EXCEED $100,000, SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF AN AGREEMENT BY THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY. 
          THERE A SECOND. 
          SECOND WAS DEREK MARCEY. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          OPPOSED? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR COUNCIL, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TRUST AND THANK YOU LAUREN. 
          YES, LAUREN, THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP TO DO THIS REALLY IMPORTANT WORD FOR US FISH. 
          I KNOW , LAUREN AND I ARE GONNA BE BEST FRIENDS , BUT THANK YOU EVERYONE, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY. 
          WHEN YOU START DRESSING ALIKE, WE'RE GONNA QUESTION IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, 
          [3.d. Discussion/possible action regarding ideas for future meetings/agenda items.]
NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION. 
          POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING IDEAS FOR FUTURE MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANYTHING? YES, VICE MAYOR, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS, BUT I JUST WANNA FLOAT TO TRIAL BALLOON HERE. 
          WE HAVE A NEW MAGISTRATE JUDGE STARTING SOON. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE WE OUGHT TO MEET WITH SAID MAGISTRATE JUDGE FOR THE PURPOSES OF SETTING EXPECTATIONS AND SO FORTH. 
          KURT, YOU SEEM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH US. 
          NO, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. 
          HE'S JUST DOESN'T START TILL JANUARY. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW YOUR DEFINITION OF SOON. 
          SIT RELATIVELY SOON, . 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WE WILL, WE CAN SCHEDULE ONE IN JANUARY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA GIVE 'EM A FEW WEEKS. 
          NO, WE FIRST DAY. 
          COME ON SOME, SOME TIME TO FIND THE BATHROOMS AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE STAFF. 
          THAT'S WHY I SAID I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO LIKE THIS VERY MOMENT'S JANUARY ONE OR NOT. 
          UH, SO I, I, I WILL, UH, RETRACT THAT AND BRING IT UP AT A LATER TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [5. ADJOURNMENT]
WITHOUT OBJECTION, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
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