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ENOUGH.[Historic Preservation Commission on November 10, 2025.]
THIS MEETING OF THE, UH, CITY OF SEDONAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO ORDER.UM, START WITH THE CALL TO ORDER PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND ROLL CALL.
SO YOU CAN JOIN ME IF I CAN GET OUTTA THIS CHAIR WITHOUT KILLING THIS.
YOU COULD GET AWAY WITH I LOOKING AT IT.
I JUST CAN'T GET OUT OF HERE BECAUSE IT'S STUCK.
I KEEP HITTING THAT ON THIS PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE.
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE CHAIR IS YOU SEATED? UH, ROLL CALL CHAIR MEYERS.
PRESENT VICE CHAIR SECONDER HERE.
UH, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
ANYBODY HAVE, UH, ANYTHING COMMISSIONERS BRING ANYTHING? I HAVE SOMETHING, UH, BUT I'LL LET STAFF.
OH, I WAS, WAS, MY ONLY ANNOUNCEMENT IS WE HAVE A NEW COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WHO STARTED ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.
UM, HE GOT DOUBLE BOOKED FOR FOUR O'CLOCK, SO HE WOULD THINK HE MIGHT TRY TO STOP BY, BUT IF HE SHOWS UP, HIS NAME IS TONY.
UM, AND WE MIGHT REOPEN THIS ITEM IF HE JUMPS BACK IN TO ALLOW HIM TO MAKE HIS OWN INTRODUCTION OF HIMSELF.
UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS, UH, REAL QUICK.
UH, ONE OVER THE WEEKEND, UM, I WENT AND, UH, PARTICIPATED IN A COMMUNITY MEETING ABOUT THE MYSTERY CASTLE DOWN IN PHOENIX, IF ANYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH THE MYSTERY CASTLE.
SNUGGED UP THERE AGAINST SOUTH MOUNTAIN.
SO, UM, PRESERVE PHOENIX, UH, HELD, HELD THIS EVENT WITH SHIPPO AND, AND, UM, STATE, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND, UM, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
UM, THE CURRENT OWNERS, UM, OR A FOUNDATION HAS PUT IN PLACE BY THE, THE ORIGINAL OWNERS, UM, TO PRESERVE THE LEGACY.
UM, AND SO THEY'RE KIND OF AT THEIR WIT'S END ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT.
UH, AND THEY DON'T WANNA TEAR IT DOWN.
AND SO THE CONVERSATION WAS, WAS ABOUT WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO WITH IT? SO, NO, NO DECISIONS WERE MADE, BUT THEY WERE JUST SOLICITING PUBLIC INPUT.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE HOW ANOTHER CITY'S DEALING.
WELL, TECHNICALLY, A, A PRIVATE NONPROFIT.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE VANDALS ARE DOING QUITE A BIT TO IT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S PRECIPITATED THIS, UM, TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF VANDALISM, UH, THAT ACTUALLY LED THE CURRENT ONES OF FOUNDATION TO FILE A PETITION FOR DEMOLITION.
UH, AND THAT'S WHAT KICKSTARTED THE DISCUSSION AT THE CITY LEVEL ABOUT, OH, OH, WAIT A MINUTE, WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
'CAUSE I KNOW THE TWO WOMEN THAT LIVE THERE ARE GONE.
AND, UH, SO, UH, THEY WOULDN'T BE HAPPY.
ANYWAY, THAT WAS A, AN INTERESTING, INTERESTING CONVERSATION.
IT WAS A THREE HOUR SESSION, BUT, HEY.
UH, AND THEN THE OTHER THING, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY, UH, KNOWS THAT, UH, TOMORROW THE CITY AND THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY ARE JOINTLY HOSTING THE, UM, ANNUAL VETERANS DAY, UH, MEMORIAL EVENT IN THE, UH, AT THE SEDONA HERITAGE MUSEUM.
IT STARTS AT THE 11TH HOUR OF THE 11TH DAY OF THE 11TH MONTH, UH, WHICH IS WHEN THE, UH, PHARMACIST WENT INTO EFFECT, UH, THAT ENDED WORLD WAR I.
UH, AND THAT'S WHY WE CELEBRATE VETERANS DAY TO BEGIN WITH.
SO, UM, PLEASE DO, PLEASE DO COME BY.
MOVING ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 13TH, 2025.
YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL RECEIVED THOSE.
HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK 'EM OVER ANY CORRECTIONS, ANY NO EDIT, SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR P PIECE ON THAT.
AND I THINK THOSE ARE APPROVED BY, UH, CONSENT THERE.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA.
THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO A RS 38 DASH 4 31 0.01 H, ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO ANY CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS? WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM.
MOVE ON TO OUR REGULAR BUSINESS, THE DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING ASSIGNMENT OF TASKS RELATED TO A REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE PAST YEAR.
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YOU WANNA START THIS DISCUSSION, CARRIE? UM, I CAN, UM, IT WAS KIND OF AN OPEN DISCUSSION, BUT AS A REMINDER, IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, THE CITY COUNCIL HAD A, AN AGENDA ITEM REGARDING THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.AND THE DIRECTION THEY GAVE WAS, UM, I WAS NOT THERE.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THEY WANTED THE MATTER BROUGHT BACK TO THEM, UM, PRIOR TO MAKING FURTHER DECISIONS.
UM, WE ARE A LITTLE PAST THAT YEAR, BUT WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE IT SCHEDULED FOR A MEETING ON JULY TH JULY, NOT JULY, JANUARY 13TH, UH, WHICH IS A TUESDAY.
THAT DATE IS A LITTLE BIT FLEXIBLE JUST BECAUSE IT IS SOMEWHAT FAR OUT.
AND IF THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE MORE TIMELY, THERE'S NOT A SET DEADLINE FOR THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, WE DO HAVE A PLACEHOLDER ON THE JANUARY 13TH AGENDA, UM, WHICH GIVES US A CHANCE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO REPORT TO, UM, CITY COUNCIL.
UM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT, UM, WE NEED TO HAVE ANY OF YOU OR MYSELF DO RESEARCH ON OR PUT TOGETHER SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION, WE CAN DO THAT IN THE NEXT MONTH.
UM, THE DECEMBER 8TH MEETING, WE WOULD KIND OF FINALIZE WHAT HPC WOULD WANT TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL AT THAT MEETING AND THEN GO FORWARD WITH THE MEETING ON JANUARY 13TH, IS KIND OF MY IDEA.
UM, SO WHAT THEY HAD GOTTEN LAST, UM, LAST YEAR WAS A SUMMARY OF NUMBER OF MEETINGS, NUMBER OF CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, CERTIFICATES OF NO EFFECT CITY LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY WE CAN GET ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF NUMBERS, BUT IF THERE IS BE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO ADD OR IF THERE'S ANY OTHER IDEAS THAT YOU HAD OF, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, KAREN AND BOBBY HAVE BEEN DOING QUITE A BIT OF WORK, IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE A SUMMARY OF THE SURVEYS THAT YOU'VE DONE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD ALL BE THINGS THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY INCLUDE FOR COUNCIL TO LOOK AT.
YEAH, I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM, FROM, OH, WELL, COMMISSIONERS, I, I TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR, AND I THINK THAT EVERY COMMISSIONER LIKE THIS SHOULD DO A WHITE PAPER ON ITS OWN TO THE CITY COUNCIL SAYING, HERE'S WHAT WE DID.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IF WE DO A WHITE PAPER, THAT WE GO BACK TO THE LAW THAT SET US UP AND SAY, HERE'S WHY WE WERE PUT IN PLACE.
BECAUSE THEY, FRANKLY, THEY, THEY JUST DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T KNOW AS MUCH AS WE THINK THEY KNOW AND THEY, SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BRING 'EM UP TO SPEED ON WHAT THE LOSS IS, UM, WHAT WE DID AND WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED.
UM, UM, AND THEN, UM, THREE OR FOUR YEARS BACK, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, NUMBER OF MEETINGS.
WE WERE TRYING AT ONE POINT TO GO TO SIX MEETINGS A YEAR.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ON A MEETING A MONTH NOW.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING THAT'S ONE THING THEY LOOKED AT BECAUSE OF STAFF TIME AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
I THINK THEY'RE GONNA ASK US HOW MANY MEETINGS DO WE NEED TO HAVE, AND, UM, SO WHEN THEY BUDGET STAFF TIME, THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU JUST HAVING THEM OR, UM, SO, UM, LET'S, I THINK WE SHOULD PUT TOGETHER A, A WHITE PAPER AND, UM, RUN IT PAST ALL OF US AND THEN WE CAN ADD TO IT AND PASS IT BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN CARRIE CAN ADD IN ALL THE STUFF WE'VE DONE.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT OURSELF IN THE HISTORY.
WE'VE, OVER THE LAST YEARS, WE'VE DESIGNATED THESE MANY HOUSES MM-HMM
UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO SAY WHY WE AREN'T DESIGNATING MORE 'CAUSE THEY, BECAUSE THEY AREN'T THERE NECESSARILY.
SO WE GOTTA GET IT ALL ON A PIECE OF PAPER SO THEY CAN SIT AT HOME AT NIGHT, READ THE WHOLE THING AND KIND OF DIGEST IT.
WELL, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT, AND ALONG THOSE LINES, IT'S NOT ENTIRELY UP TO US IF SOMETHING GETS LANDMARKED.
WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE ALL THE DESIRE IN THE WORLD AND IF THE OWNER DOESN'T WANNA DO IT, OR IF THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND AT THE LAST MINUTE, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S IT.
SO WE CAN THINK WE HAVE A LIVE ONE ON THE HOOK UNTIL WE DON'T, OR WE HAVE A REV REVOLUTION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OTHER THOUGHTS? I, I THINK THEY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE, AT LEAST TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE'RE TO BE A DESIGNATED CITY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS GROUP MM-HMM
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO KIND OF LET 'EM KNOW THAT, HEY, WE'RE WRITTEN INTO THE LAW MM-HMM
AND WE'RE GONNA MEET ONLY AS NECESSARY AND DO THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO SO THAT WE, WE AREN'T SPENDING CITY MONEY MM-HMM
WELL, AND WE TALKED ABOUT ADVISING THE COUNCIL IN TERMS OF THE CLG.
YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THEIR ROLE? WHAT'S THE STATE'S ROLE IN ALL THIS? MM-HMM
SO I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE SOME ON THAT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO GO FURTHER.
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TO CONSIDER, YOU'VE GOT THE ELEMENT, THE ORDINANCE, THE, THE COMMISSION, THE CLG, AND THEY'RE ALL LIKE DOMINOES AND YOU ELIMINATE ONE AND THE WHOLE THING FALLS APART, WHICH IS WHAT I ESTABLISHED BACK IN THE 1990SAND, UM, I WOULD LIKE, I SEE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, A WHITE PAPER, WHAT I'M TALKING WELL, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S, I CALL 'EM WHITE PAPERS.
IT'S BASICALLY, HERE'S THE LAW, HERE'S WHAT WE'VE DONE, HERE'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, AND THEN HERE'S SOME HISTORY.
SO IF THEY WERE READING THIS, UH, THEY, IT'S KIND OF A SHORT OVERVIEW.
WHEN THEY GO TO THE MEETING, THEY'LL SAY, WHY? WHAT DO YOU GUYS DO? YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU, WE, I, I DON'T WANNA STAND UP AND HAVE TO JUSTIFY OURSELVES NO.
BECAUSE IT GETS IN, I'VE SEEN THE CITY COUNCIL GO DOWN THESE, THESE ROADS.
SO IT'S BETTER TO JUST LAY IT ALL OUT FOR 'EM SO THEY CAN READ IT.
THEN WE CAN GO AND ANSWER QUESTIONS.
SO ARE YOU VOLUNTEERING TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER? I DON'T.
IF YOU GET ME THE DATA, I'LL PUT IT TOGETHER.
BUT I THINK I, YOU AND I COULD WORK TOGETHER, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD WORK A ROUGH ONE OUT AND THEN GIVE IT TO EVERYBODY.
AND THEN I THINK WE SHOULD AS A GROUP, IF WE CAN, WE CAN'T PASS STUFF AROUND, CAN WE? NO.
YOU GOTTA DO THAT IN A MEETING.
NO, BUT TWO OF US COULD VOLUNTEER TO WORK ON IT.
THAT WAS THE IDEA THAT WE'D ASSIGN TASKS TO PEOPLE AT THIS MEETING.
YOU GO AND WORK ON THEM OVER THE NEXT MONTH.
AND THEN AT THE DECEMBER MEETING, WE WOULD REVIEW EVERYTHING AS A GROUP.
DURING, I THINK IF YOU GET US SOME RAW DATA, YOU AND I CAN SAY A COUPLE HOURS, PUT IT TOGETHER AND MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN DISTRIBUTE IT.
AND THEN WE COULD ALL HAVE INPUT, UH, AND STAFF MAKES THOSE ASSIGNMENTS TO AVOID A FORMAL SUBCOMMITTEE.
I MEAN, IF, WELL, I'M THING TOO IS THE ORDINANCE IS ON FILE.
UH, AN ORDINANCE, HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE IS ON FILE.
PART OF THAT ORDINANCE IS A COMPLETE HISTORY OF SEDONA.
SO THAT WE'VE GOT THE HISTORIC DATA THERE, AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING FOR ALL OF US TO READ, READ IT, TO SEE WHAT IT CONTAINS.
AND, UM, SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
AND THEN, UM, ALL OF US WILL BE UP TO, AND I THINK THAT ANYBODY ELSE, THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD ALL BE GIVEN A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE MM-HMM
SO THAT THEY ARE AWARE THIS IS WHAT IT IS.
WELL, WE COULD DO A SLIDESHOW TOO, AT THE SAME TIME OF GOING BACK, SHOWING A LOT OF THE HOMES THAT WE'VE DONE, I THINK HAVE GIVING IT, SHOWING THE SLIDE.
THEY WANT TO, WE HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF 'EM.
WE HAVE TO SHOW WHAT WE DO, YOU KNOW, PUT ON OUR PRESENTATION.
WELL, AND THE THING IS THAT, UM, IT'S, IT'S A, A SLIPPERY SLOPE IF WE START TAKING THIS AWAY.
WHO REGULATES THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY LANDMARKED FOR ANY CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THAT KIND OF THING, WHICH IS, I, I'VE SEEN ANYBODY CAN'T DO CITY COUNCIL.
PEOPLE IN THE PAST HAVE TRIED TO GET RID OF THIS GROUP.
AND I, I REMEMBER I HAD A FIERCE DISCUSSION WITH KAREN.
UM, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY STRONG THAT WE HAVE TO BE HERE.
NOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO, UH, BE WILLING NILLY SPENDING MONEY OUR TIME, BUT WE HAVE TO BE HERE.
SO WE HAVE TO JUSTIFY OURSELVES.
SO I THINK THAT THE BETTER JOB WE DO AT JUSTIFYING OURSELF, IT'LL MAKE IT BETTER.
WELL, AND, AND FURTHER, WE HAVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALSO, UH, LANDMARKED BY, UM, THE, UH, NATIONAL, UH, TRUST.
HISTORIC BECAUSE OF INTERNATIONAL TRUST.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ON THE HISTORIC TRUST.
AND SO, UH, THERE'S MANAGEMENT INVOLVED WITH THAT AS WELL.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN JUST SAY, UH, WE DON'T WANNA DO THIS ANYMORE.
AND IT CAN'T BE ASSIGNED TO AN ORGANIZATION OR SOMETHING.
IT HAS TO BE WITH THE STATUS IT'S AT NOW.
AND, UM, SO, AND, AND, AND TO THAT POINT TOO, I MEAN, JUST USING THE EXAMPLE THAT I JUST CITED WITH THE MYSTERY CASTLE, UM, THE CITY OF PHOENIX HAS A HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE.
SO THEY HAVE STAFF DEDICATED TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
THEY ALSO RELY ON A NOT-FOR-PROFIT OUTSIDE A, A, A THIRD PARTY.
UM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO LANDMARK THINGS OR ANYTHING.
THEY JUST SUPPORT THE EFFORTS OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
SO PRESERVE PHOENIX IS OUT THERE.
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO FOOTED THE MONEY TO BRING IN A CONSULTANT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HECK WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THE MYSTERY CASTLE.
SO, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO LANDMARK MYSTERY CASTLE.
IT'S NOT UP TO THEM WHAT HAPPENS.
THEY CAN JUST HIRE SOMEBODY TO SAY, HERE'S A FEASIBLE PATH FORWARD FOR IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE ROLE OF AN OUTSIDE GROUP IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
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AND SO IT'S NOT THE BE ALL AND END ALLAND SO WERE YOU GOING, SO WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHMENTS FROM THIS YEAR, AND UNDER THE NEXT SEGMENT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT,
I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY OF PHOENIX OFFICE ALSO HAS A PUBLICATION ARM, DON'T THEY? I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THAT.
UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY SELL SOME OF THEIR PUBLICATIONS, SO YEAH.
THEY WERE GIVING AWAY, UH, LITTLE BOOKLETS.
I SHOULD HAVE GRABBED AND BROUGHT IT, BUT I WAS LIKE, I DON'T NEED THAT
BUT IT WAS, IT WAS LIKE 21 PHOENIX LANDMARKS OR SOMETHING.
IT'S LIKE A POSTCARD BOOK OR SOMETHING.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THE POINT IS, WE'RE MANDATED TO BE HERE.
UM, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS GONNA DO? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? I CAN REMEMBER EIGHT, NINE YEARS AGO THAT I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 20% OF ONE PERSON'S STAFF TIME WAS FOR THIS COMMISSION.
AND THEY CAME TO US AND SAID, THAT'S TOO MUCH.
AND WE LITTLE BY LITTLE, AND THEN WE USED TO HAVE LOTS OF LITTLE GRANT PROGRAMS. WE DID.
SO A LOT OF OUR TIME WAS TAKEN UP WITH GRANTS, AND BEFORE YOU GUYS WERE HERE, SOMEBODY NEEDED NEW ROOFING, WE WOULD GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE HOUSE, COME BACK, AND THAT ITS TIME WENT BACK TO STAFF MEMBERS.
NOW STAFF CAN MAKE SOME DECISIONS WITHOUT IT HAVING COMING THROUGH US.
BUT WE DID DO THE INGER HOUSE.
SO WE DID CHANGE THE BATTENS ON THAT.
SO, WELL, WE USED TO HAVE A 10 OR $12,000 THAT WE COULD USE TO GRANT MONEY TO WORK ON HOMES WHEN WE'VE GOTTEN OUT OF THAT BUSINESS.
SO, UM, SO WHY DON'T YOU AND I JUST GET TOGETHER, UM, IF WE'RE APPOINTED, UH, AND WE WILL PUT IT TOGETHER AND MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING.
COMMISSIONER WOODS, DID YOU WANNA WEIGH IN? NO.
THIS IS ALL NEW, NEW INFORMATION TO ME.
YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR THAT DISCUSSION A YEAR AGO.
AND I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH, UH, ANY OF THIS.
SO IT JUST MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO BE PUT IT IN, IN WRITING.
CAN I, CAN I GET CLARIFICATION? UM, ON A POINT OF ORDER, NOT A POINT OF ORDER.
UM, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, PUTTING TOGETHER A WORK PLAN OR WHATEVER, THAT A COMMISSIONER CAN STEP FORWARD AND VOLUNTEER TO DO SOMETHING.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE ASSIGNED TO DO IT BY STAFF.
AND YOU THEN YOU DECIDE, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
NO ONE COMMISSIONER CAN STEP FORWARD AND VOLUNTEER TO DO SOMETHING.
BUT IF THE COMMISSION OR THE CHAIR TECHNICALLY ASSIGNS TWO COMMISSIONERS OR MORE, IT MAKES IT A FORMAL SUBCOMMITTEE AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE, HAVE AN AGENDA IN MINUTES.
IT SEEMS THAT THAT ISN'T WHAT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME PREVIOUSLY EITHER ARIZONA REVISED STATUTE TITLE 38.
CAN WE, CAN WE GET THAT? CAN YOU, CAN YOU SUBMIT THAT TO, TO MYSELF, AT LEAST TO THE WHOLE COMMISSION.
SO JUST IN THE SAME WAY THAT THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM, SORRY, ONE MINUTE.
THAT IS A VERY DIFFERENT THING FROM WHAT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME A FEW MONTHS AGO.
UM, AND SO I WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION ON HOW IN THE WORLD WE CAN GET WORK DONE OUTSIDE OF THESE MEETINGS, BECAUSE I'M GETTING CONFLICTING INFORMATION AND THIS IS WHY WE HIT STALEMATE.
IT'S BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS HOW WE CAN GET THINGS DONE.
SO I WOULD REALLY, VERY MUCH LIKE WRITTEN EXPLANATION OF HOW THAT WORKS.
I'LL FORWARD YOU THE TITLE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I'VE BEEN DOING ONE OF THE, UM, SITE SURVEYS WITH EITHER JACK OR BOBBY.
UH, I, I DON'T REALLY WANNA GO ALONE.
AND I'VE BEEN GOING JUST TWO KNOWING THAT THREE IS TOO MANY.
AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING WE, WE HAVE TO CLARIFY THAT THAT'S THE INTERPRETATION WE HAD FROM MIKE GOER.
SO WHO IS THAT? SO HE'S NOT THE CURRENT CITY ATTORNEY.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF TWO OF YOU WANT TO GET TOGETHER IN THE SAME WAY THAT COMMISSIONER STU HACKEN WOODS HAVE BEEN DOING THE SURVEYS, THAT THAT'S FINE.
BUT WE CAN CLARIFY THAT WITH OUR, WE NEED CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD.
WAS THAT COMMISSIONERS CAN VOLUNTEER.
I CANNOT, I DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO TELL SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING.
IT, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING TOO, YOU CAN PASS ALONG WORK AS LONG AS A COPY OF IT GOES TO YOU AND YOU SEE THAT WE'RE PASSING IT AMONG OURSELF.
THAT HAS TO BE DONE IN A PUBLIC.
SO ANYTIME YOU'RE CREATING SOMETHING WHERE A MAJORITY OF COMMISSIONERS ARE RE ARE COMMUNICATING OUTSIDE OF A MEETING, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
SINCE THERE'S FIVE OF YOU, YOU'RE LIMITED TO TWO AT A TIME WITHOUT CREATING OPEN MEETING LAW VIOLATIONS.
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BOBBY, AND I KNOW JACK TOO, WHEN WE HAVE JUST THE TWO OF US HAVE GONE AND WE'VE COME BACK WITH A COMPLETED SURVEY.I HAVE PASSED COPIES OUT TO EVERYBODY.
BUT WE DO THAT AS PART OF THE MEETING.
SO, BUT LET, AND TO GET AROUND THIS FOR NOW, CAN YOU SEND ME THE, THE FORMAL DOCUMENT WE WORK UNDER, YOU KNOW, FROM THE STATE OTHER WORDS, IF WE'RE GONNA BE WHAT? A DESIGNATED CITY? A-C-L-G-A-C-L-G CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
AND THEN ANYTHING I NEED MIGHT PUT, I MIGHT NEED TO PUT TOGETHER A ROUGH OUTLINE OF WHAT WE ARE, AND THEN IF WE CAN GET OTHER WORDS, SEND ME ANY KIND OF INFORMATION YOU CAN, AND I'LL JUST PLAY WITH IT.
AND THEN, UM, CARRIE, IF I WAS TO SEND BACK TO YOU, CAN YOU SEND IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE? NO.
WELL, SO I CAN'T, CAN'T CREATE, WE CAN SEND OUT INFORMATION.
WE CANNOT HAVE A BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSION.
SO IF YOU WERE TO SEND THIS OUT TO EVERYBODY AND EVERYBODY ON THEIR OWN WORKED ON THEIR OWN PIECE AND THEN BROUGHT THAT PIECE BACK INTO HERE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE IN A PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, THE REVIEW WOULD BE, YEAH.
BUT WE CAN'T POSSIBLY NEED TO GO INTO A PUBLIC HEARING FOR DOTTING I'S, AND I'D LIKE TO CHANGE THE WORDING OF THIS.
THAT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE NECESSARY.
YOU CAN'T PASS IT AMONG EACH OTHER.
NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S ASKING THOUGH.
I'M JUST SAYING IF I WAS TO WORK ON IT AND BRING IT BACK IN AND YOU WERE TO SEND IT OUT TO EVERYBODY AND THEN THEY WERE TO WORK IT ON INDIVIDUALLY, AND THEN WE CAME BACK AT OUR NEXT MEETING HERE AND YOU READ YOUR UPDATE, I READ MY UPDATE.
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE PACKET THAT WE'VE DISTRIBUTED FOR THE MEETING, WHEREAS YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT TO ME.
I CAN PROVIDE IT AS PART OF THE PACKET.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE DISCUSS AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT.
WELL, BUT E EVEN SO I WOULD STILL LIKE CLARIFICATION AND I WOULD LIKE THAT FROM KURT'S OFFICE.
AND ALSO TOO, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I'M SORRY, DONNA, I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THAT IS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.
HE MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN GOER DID.
GOER WAS VERY STAUNCH ABOUT IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHO GOMER IS.
I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT HE'S PRIOR.
HE WAS A PRIOR THEN WE ABSOLUTELY NEED THIS FROM KURT'S OFFICE.
AND STEVE, ANOTHER THING TOO, WHEN YOU GET ALL THE INFORMATION, YOU WANT THE, THE COMPLETE, UH, DOCUMENT, WHICH IS THE ORDINANCE YEAH.
NO, I WANT TO CUT AND PASTE IT TOGETHER SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
UH, AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF GO IN AND TAKE, OKAY, WHAT HAVE WE DONE THEN? NOW I'D LIKE TO CUT AND PASTE AND PUT IN ALL THE HOMES WE'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS.
UH, THEN I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH STAFF TIME IS, IS, IS DESIGNATED TO THIS SO WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S THIS MUCH STAFF TIME, THEN WHAT OUR BUDGET IS.
SO THEN WE CAN KIND OF SAY, OKAY, THEIR BUDGET, THERE'S ALL THE PERTINENT INFORMATION AND THEN, THEN WE CAN GO INTO WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO.
UM, BUT MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN ALL READ THAT AND SAY, WELL, YOU FORGOT THIS.
AND IT IS DIFFICULT, BUT I I, I THINK IT'LL HELP US TOO DOWN THE LINE, HAVE A CLEAR VIEW OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ACCOMPLISH.
ANOTHER THING, IF YOU CAN ALSO GET THE, UH, ELEMENT THAT STARTED THE WHOLE THING MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO ADD TO THE PACKET.
ANY INFORMATION, I THINK WE GET TO COUNCIL, THE ELEMENTS, THE ORDINANCE IN THE CG WOULD BE A THREE TIER THING YOU'D WANT TO LOOK AT.
I JUST LIKE TO GIVE ALL THE WEEDS I CAN INTO THE DOCUMENT SO WE DON'T GET INTO THE WEEDS AT THE MEETING.
I AM GOING TO SEND ALL THE DOCUMENTS TO STEVE.
THEN IF I NEED MORE, I'LL ASK YOU MM-HMM
AND THEN I KNOW THAT, UM, AS WE MENTIONED, COMMISSIONER SUE HACKEN WOODS HAVE BEEN DOING THEIR SURVEYS.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF THE SURVEYS THAT YOU'VE OH, CERTAINLY DONE IN THE PAST YEAR? MM-HMM
AND, UH, JACK WENT ON ON THE LAST ONE WITH ME 'CAUSE BOBBY'S BEEN UP TO HIS EYEBALLS AND STUFF.
THE, UM, THE EDUCATIONAL, UM, THE THING, WE WENT DOWN IN PHOENIX WITH THE CLG MM-HMM
SO THEY, UM, I HAD AN EXTRA, I GOT TWO OF THOSE, UM, DOCUMENTS THAT THEY GAVE US.
IS THAT A USEFUL TO DESCRIBE ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE USEFUL? WE, WE CAN PULL IT OFF DEAN, RIGHT? I THINK MM-HMM
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S NOT PERTINENT AS MUCH AS OUR DOCUMENTS WERE.
AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW, LIKE, WHEN WAS THIS OFFICIALLY STARTED? WHEN WE, WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME WE HAD A MEETING? UH, SO IT STARTED IN, YOU KNOW, 53.
UM, JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND INFORMATION SO THAT THEY CAN GO THROUGH AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WHY DO WE HAVE THIS DAMN COMMISSION? AND WHAT ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO? RIGHT.
THEY SHOULD ANSWER IT BECAUSE THEY TOLD ME.
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WAS THE FIRST COMMISSION.AND WE SAT HERE GOING, WHAT THE HECK ARE WE DOING HERE? YEAH.
THEN I, AND I SERVED FOR TWO TERMS. AND, UM, SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ON ARE NO LONGER AROUND ANYMORE.
BUT, UH, JANINE AVIAN WAS ON, AND UM, UH, GOSH, THERE'S A FEW STILL AROUND, BUT, AND IT WAS BRAND NEW TERRITORY HERE.
AND THE, EVEN THE CITY COUNCIL WAS WOW.
UM, AND THERE'VE BEEN BUMPS ALONG THE WAY WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO TAKE IT AWAY AND THEY WERE GONNA LET THE STAFF DO ALL THE HISTORIC STUFF.
AND I TALKED TO THEM, I SAID, DO YOU KNOW THE HISTORY? ARE YOU HISTORIANS? AND THEY WENT, OH.
THAT WAS ABOUT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THEY, IF THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, IT'S EASY TO SAY, WHY ARE WE DOING IT? SO MM-HMM.
IT'S UP TO US TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND.
SO I KNOW YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GIVE A DIRECTIVE TO WHAT WE CAN DO OR CAN'T DO, BUT WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION AND A SUGGESTION, AND THEN I'LL LAND ON THAT TASK.
LIKE, 'CAUSE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.
THIS IS, THIS IS WHY I WOULD LIKE THAT, UH, THAT CLARIFICATION FROM, FROM WHEN, WHEN WE SAY KURT, WE MEAN, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, KURT CHRISTENSEN'S OFFICE.
SO, UM, NEED, 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE CLARIFICATION.
WE LAND ON TASK WITHOUT A CONVERSATION.
I KNOW THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE WERE.
AND, AND GARY WASN'T, UH, HERE.
IT WAS, UH, I THINK STEVE MERTIS WAS, WAS, UH, IN YOUR ROLE WHEN THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION AND I WAS LIKE, HOW CAN WE ADVANCE THE BALL IF LIKE, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE IN PUBLIC MEETING? I'M NOT TRYING TO GET AWAY WITH THINGS OUT OF A PUBLIC MEETING.
I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
BUT THERE HAS TO BE WORK DONE IN BETWEEN PUBLIC MEETINGS AND HOW CAN WE DO THAT IF, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE CAN'T HAVE DIALOGUE OF ANY SORT OR WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO WHATEVER.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHY I'M SEEKING THAT CLARIFICATION.
AND THAT'S, I I'M SURE YOU GUYS HEARD IT IN MY VOICE.
I, I'M VERY FRUSTRATED BY THIS.
AND THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE EVEN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IS BECAUSE IT'S VERY UNCLEAR.
AND SO YOU END UP GETTING BOGGED DOWN AND NOTHING HAPPENS.
WELL, AND VERY HONESTLY, THIS IS VERY PERSONAL TO ME.
I MEAN, I STARTED THIS WHOLE MESS BACK IN 1990 MM-HMM
AND SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, MY BABY.
AND SO GETTING BACK TO THE AGENDA ITEM, UM, WHAT I HAVE IS THAT STEVE IS GONNA SEND THE DOCUMENTS TO HIM.
HE'S GONNA START PUTTING SOMETHING TOGETHER.
COMMISSIONER STU HACKEN WOODS WILL GET TOGETHER, OR WHOEVER'S DONE SURVEYS IN THE LAST YEAR, WILL GET A LIST OF THOSE.
I WILL BE GOING THROUGH AND UPDATING SOME OF THE TABLES REGARDING THE NUMBERS OF MEETINGS AND CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AND CERTIFICATES OF NO EFFECT THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST YEAR.
AND THEN WE CAN GET ALL OF THAT COMPILED.
WE CAN DISTRIBUTE IT AS PART OF THE PACKET FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
SO, UM, WE'D BE LOOKING TO GET ALL OF THAT BY THE FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER SO WE CAN GET THAT OUT AS A PACKET.
I, FOR OUR MEETING THE SECOND WEEK OF DECEMBER, WE WON'T BE HER FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER, BUT I CAN GET IT ALL DONE AND I CAN SEND IT TO YOU.
AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN SIT HERE AND GO OVER IT AND START.
NOW, DO YOU WANT, WHEN WE GIVE A LIST OF THE SURVEYS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, DO YOU WANT JUST THE, THE PROPERTY OR DO YOU WANT THE WHOLE SURVEY? ANYTHING YOU WANNA GIVE ME? I THINK JUST THE PROPERTIES.
DATES AND THE, AND THEN IF WE CAN PUT TOGETHER A SLIDESHOW OF DOWN THE LINE OF ALL THE PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, FLIP THROUGH THE PROPERTIES AND NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE, OKAY, WE'VE DONE THE PROPERTIES.
SOMEBODY STILL HAS TO BE AROUND TO KIND OF OVERSEE THE OPERATION.
SO YES, WE'RE IN, IN NEUTRAL RIGHT NOW.
WE AREN'T REALLY GOING OUT AND DOING LOTS OF THEM, BUT THIS COMMISSION STILL HAS TO BE AROUND TO OVERSEE IT.
WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN SURVEYED, NOT NECESSARILY LANDMARKED.
UM, BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, UM, WE, WE HAVE BEEN, UM, BUSY AND YOU DON'T, IT ISN'T JUST A SIMPLE MATTER OF A COUPLE US GO AND GO.
SO IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE IN YOUR SUMMARY, HAVE TO DO A LOT OF WORK, IF YOU WANNA INCLUDE IN YOUR SUMMARY WHAT GOES INTO A SURVEY OF A PROPERTY.
SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WORK ON, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T SAY THAT, BUT, UM, YOU COULD THINK ABOUT THAT POINT.
UM, BUT YES, IT'S UM, ABSOLUTELY A GREAT IDEA.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT ONE? I'M GOOD.
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DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING ONGOING UPDATES TO HISTORIC SURVEYS AND POTENTIAL LANDMARKS.UM, I'LL START THIS AND THEN I'LL HAND IT OFF.
UM, UH, COMMISSIONER STUPAC AND I WERE INVITED TO SPEAK TO THE, UM, GOVERNING COUNCIL FOR CHURCH OF THE RED ROCKS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IT WAS COMMISSIONER WOODS AND STU AK MM-HMM
WHO WENT OUT AND DID A SURVEY.
UH, THEY'RE CELEBRATING THEIR 65TH, UH, YEAR, THIS YEAR.
UM, AND SO, UM, THERE IS SOME, UH, SOME ELEMENTS THERE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN, IN PURSUING A LANDMARKING STATUS POTENTIALLY.
SO THEY ASKED US TO COME AND DISCUSS, UM, WHAT THAT WOULD ENTAIL, WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN FOR THEM IN TERMS OF WHAT, UM, PRESERVATION, BUT THEN ALSO, UM, WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO TO THEIR BUILDING MOVING FORWARD AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, UM, I THINK IT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION.
I THINK IT WAS A PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION.
THEY, UM, DID NOT TAKE ANY ACTION.
I BELIEVE THEY PLANNED TO TAKE ACTION AT THEIR NEXT GOVERNING COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH WILL BE NEXT MONTH.
IT'S UH, THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH.
SO IT'LL BE NOVEMBER THE THIRD.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN GETTING SOME FEEDBACK AND THEY'RE, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S HARD WHEN YOU HAVE A GROUP TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT DONE BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS THE ONE SIDE THAT SAYS, WELL, WE'RE LOCKING OURSELF IN OR SOMETHING HARD.
THAT'S WHAT, BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF THING WE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO UNDERSTAND.
IT'S JUST NOT MAKING A PHONE CALL.
IT'S, IT'S TIME AND BACK AND FORTH AND GOTTA BUILD A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.
IT'S JUST SO THAT THEY TRUST IT'S THE RIGHT THING.
IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T GO EASY.
AND, UM, ANYMORE TO, NO, I I JUST, IT WAS GOOD.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, SO IT, IT, AND I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY MIGHT PARSE UP THE, THE PROPERTY AND, AND ONLY LANDMARK UP, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL SANCTUARY OR, OR WHATEVER SANCTUARY AND THE NORTH X.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, UH, GOOD DISCUSSION.
WE'LL SEE, SEE WHERE THEY COME DOWN.
NOW REFERENCING TO THE STAR MOTEL, UM, I DID TALK TO BLAIR MEYER, UH, 'CAUSE SHE DIVULGED TO ME THAT IT WAS A CONSORTIUM THAT OWNS IT.
SHE, I THINK, WOULD BE QUITE PLEASED TO DO IT.
BUT, AND I TALKED TO HER, IT WAS LAST MONTH.
SHE SAID SHE WOULD GET BACK TO ME AND I DON'T WANT A NAGGER, SO I'LL GIVE HER SOME TIME.
BUT I THINK SHE WOULD LIKE TO LANDMARK IT.
'CAUSE THAT'S SUCH A WONDERFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO AT THIS POINT, IT'S, UM, NOW GOING ON WITH ONE, I, I THINK IT'S A, WE GOT IT.
UH, THERE'S A LADY BY THE NAME OF HERME PETERSON WHO OWNS THE LEGACY SEA RANCH DOWN RED ROCK, UM, BACK AND BEYOND.
AND SHE HAS JOHN WAYNE'S HOUSE FROM HIS 1944 MOVIE.
NOW ORIGINAL, ITS ORIGINAL SITE WAS UP SCHLEY HILL.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED, I BELIEVE, IN 1954.
I BELIEVE IT WAS MOVED TO HER.
WOULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE
I THOUGHT IT WAS CLOSE ENOUGH.
I BELIEVE IT WAS MOVED, I THINK IN 54, JUDGING BY THE, UM, INTEREST NOW.
UM, JACK AND I WENT OUT THERE AND, UM, THERE, THEY'RE GOOD.
AND YOU HAVE TO PRINT OUT SOME PICTURES FOR US.
AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY, UH, JACK WAS OF THE OPINION THAT IT PROBABLY WAS MOVED WITHOUT TAKING IT APART.
'CAUSE IT'S ONLY 900 SQUARE FEET.
AND HER MEAN IS, UH, AND HER DAUGHTER ARE QUITE, UH, I THEY LOVE THE IDEA OF LANDMARKING.
AND IT WOULD BE, THEY WERE WONDERING HOW PROTECTED, WELL, IT'S ON THEIR 33 ACRES AND IT'S RIGHT NEAR HER, HER, HER HOUSE IS A, IT WOULD FIT WELL IN SCOTTSDALE OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A, NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO, BUT THE HOUSE IS DONE WITH, UM, PLANKING AND IT'S, UH, IT WOULD BE ONE OF THE ORIGINAL AND ONLY SITES THAT IS FROM A SET.
SO THIS, THIS, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
OTHER WORDS YOU COULD SAY, HERE'S THE PICTURE OF THE HOUSE, HERE'S THE HISTORY, HERE'S THE PROCESS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT JUST WALKING OUT, KNOCKING ON THE DOOR.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROCESS WE HAVE TO PUT INTO THE PAPER.
AND IF WE DO OUR SLIDESHOW, WE COULD USE THIS AS A PRIME EXAMPLE.
AND I THINK THAT THEY WOULD GET THAT.
NOW I HAVE TURNED IN THE, UH, SURVEY AND IT'S GONNA BE COPIED.
I'M TAKING IT IN PERSON OUT TO HER MEAN,
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I SHOWED HER THE FORM THAT SHE WOULD BE FILLING OUT THIS JUST A SHORT LITTLE FORM.AND HER DAUGHTER WHO LIVES ON THE PROPERTY IN ANOTHER HOUSE, SHE'S RIGHT WITH IT TOO.
AND SO I'M GOING, OH MY GOSH, WE MAY ACTUALLY HAVE ONE HERE,
AND SHE'S TURNED THE INTERIOR, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH ON, I'M THINKING AT ONE TIME.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN STAFF OR SOMETHING, MAY HAVE A FOREMAN OR SOMETHING MIGHT HAVE LIVED IN IT.
YOU CAN'T JUST GET ON THAT PROPERTY.
YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH THEIR GATE AND IT'S WAY DOWN BACK AND BEYOND.
AND, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE PROCESSES.
HOW DO WE FIND THESE PLACES? SHE HAS HER HAIR DONE WHILE I HAVE MY HAIR DONE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I SEE HER ONCE EVERY SIX WEEKS AND WE GOT TO TALKING.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND.
THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WE JUST PULL OUT OF, YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW SOMEBODY THAT KNOWS SOMEBODY KIND OF A THING.
AND SO, UM, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS ONE.
I THINK WE'VE GOT IT SO GREAT.
HE CALLED ME ON THE WAY TO THE MEETING TONIGHT.
I INVITED HIM TO COME TO THE MEETING TO MAYBE GET A LITTLE SENSE OF KIND WHAT WE DO HERE.
WE, HE DIDN'T MAKE IT, UM, REAL NERVOUS ABOUT, UM, UH, GOING FORWARD WITH, BECAUSE IT COULD PUT A RESTRICTION ON THEM, YOU KNOW.
UH, SO I EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT WE COULD DO A SURVEY AND YOU HAVEN'T, YOU HAVEN'T, UH, COMMITTED TO ANYTHING.
AND WE'LL GET SOME NICE PICTURES OF YOUR HOUSE, DID THIS SIMPLE SURVEY THAT DESCRIBES IT.
AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE THAT COPY.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD, IF YOU WANNA, UH, PUT YOUR HOUSE ON THE REGISTER.
SO I THINK HE'S COMING AROUND.
BUT HE ALSO MENTIONED RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIM, A HOUSE WAS BUILT IN THE SAME YEAR THAT HIS HOUSE WAS BUILT.
IT WAS BUILT BY A ANOTHER ARCHITECT.
I THINK SHE DID HAVE, HE DID HAVE THE NAME, BUT IT WAS A, A RECOGNIZED HOUSE ACROSS THE STATE, LIKE DONE BY SOMEBODY.
NO, IT WASN'T MEDU, BUT IT WAS, UH, IT WAS DEFINITELY, UM, A, A KNOWN HOUSE AT THAT TIME.
UH, SO I SAID, WELL, HE, YOU KNOW, GIVE, GIVE HIM MY NUMBER.
TELL HIM HE'S FREE TO CALL ME AND WE'LL SET UP A TIME TO COME BY AND SAY, TALK TO HIM.
BUT IT'S THE SAME KIND OF THING.
YOU, YOU STUMBLE ONTO THE NEXT ONE.
UM, AND I HAVE AN, I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF I WANNA GET INTO THIS RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S PART, IT'S ON THE AGENDA QUITE, BUT I DID HAVE SOMETHING TO MENTION ABOUT ANOTHER HOUSE THAT'S OF AGE, BUT MAYBE IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY CRITERIA THAT MAKES IT SPECIAL.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, DIRECTION REGARDING ONGOING UPDATES, HISTORIC SURVEYS, AND POTENTIAL LANDMARKS.
I MEAN, PART OF THAT DISCUSSION HAS BEEN, UM, IDENTIFYING, UH, POTENTIAL, UH, PROPERTIES.
UM, THIS IS ANOTHER, UH, TO ALBRIGHT HOUSE.
IT'S A LITTLE ADOBE HOUSE, VERY SMALL, BUT IT'S AN INTECH.
ADOBE DONE IN, UH, I THINK IT WAS LATE SIXTIES, LOOKED LATE SIXTIES.
UM, AND THIS WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE WE FOUND THAT WHEN HE WANTED TO DO WORK ON THAT HOUSE, IF YOU FOLLOW THE, THE CURRENT BUILDING CODES, IT SOMETIMES WORKS AGAINST HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
SO AGAIN, HE'S THINKING, I THINK THIS HOUSE MIGHT, YOU MIGHT BE
AND I'M EVEN MORE RESTRICTED ON WHAT I COULD DO ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND HERE, HERE'S, UM, ANOTHER THING.
SOME OF THOSE OLDER HOMES ARE SMALL.
SO THE CODE LOOKS AT, DOESN'T NECESSARILY LOOK AT THEM.
IT LOOKS LIKE, LIKE ANY OTHER HOUSE, IT'S SOMEWHAT SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THEY DON'T CARE HOW OLD IT IS.
SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF, NOT, THERE'S SOME LIMITATIONS BUILT INTO THE CODE JUST BECAUSE YOUR HOUSE IS SMALL OR JUST 'CAUSE YOUR HOUSE IS BIG.
FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU DID A, A GUEST HOUSE, IT COULD ONLY BE A PERCENTAGE OF THE, OF THE, UH, MAIN HOUSE.
AND, AND IF WE WERE DOING HISTORIC PRESERVATION, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHERE WE STAND ON GUEST HOUSES.
YOU KNOW? DO YOU TIE IT INTO THE, WELL, DO YOU TIE INTO THE LOOK OF THE EXISTING IT'S, OR, YOU KNOW, YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING? I I DO GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE HOUSE, IT'S ABOUT THE, THE STRUCTURE.
SO IT, IF EVEN IF IT'S A, A STANDALONE STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY, AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE MAIN HOUSE, BUT THE GUEST HOUSE.
BUT, BUT ADOBE, ANY ADOBE BUILDING WOULD WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT.
AND IT'S LIKE THE PETERSON, UH, THE JOHN WAYNE SET HER HOUSE IS THERE TOO.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT HER HOUSE.
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TO THESE FOLKS, OWNERS, THEY HAVE SOME RESERVATION SURE.BECAUSE OF, OH, WAIT A SECOND.
I'VE HAD ALREADY HAD PROBLEMS DOING SOME THINGS ON MY PROPERTY, AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA ADD ANOTHER LAYER.
YOU KNOW, IN, IN PAST YEARS, I'VE BEEN IN TONS OF MEETINGS WHERE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE IT SO THAT THEY WANT TO DO IT? WE, WE HAVE TO MAKE FRAME THE CONVERSATION IN THE POSITIVE WAY.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY CAME UP WITH THIS IS THAT SOME PEOPLE WANNA BUY A DESIGNATED HISTORIC HOUSE.
THAT, THAT ADDS VALUE TO MANY PEOPLE.
BUT, BUT WE USED TO HAVE, THEY COULD HAVE MONEY TO FIX IT UP OR THEY COULD DO OTHER THINGS, BUT WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE KIND OF WENT OFF.
WELL, THAT'S WHY I WAS, I'M NOT SURE, I ACTUALLY AM NOT SURE WHERE WE REALLY ARE GETTING OFF THERE, BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO CLARIFY, BE ABLE TO, UH, WHEN, WHEN THESE COME UP, WE DO NEED TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO, OKAY, YES, I REALIZE YOU THINK IT'S A RESTRICTION AND IT YOU VIEW IT THAT WAY, BUT HERE, HERE ARE THE BENEFITS TO IT.
UM, AND, AND REFRAMING THE CONVERSATION.
AND, AND WE DO NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO BE ABLE TO, UH, TELL OWNERS IT'S OKAY.
AND HERE'S WHY THIS, THIS, THIS IS A BRING.
IF YOU COULD GET A PICTURE OF THAT HOUSE, AND, AND THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE, WE COULD GO IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S AN ADOBE HOUSE, 1954, THIS WOULD BE A PERFECT THING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FEAR THE PERSON HAS.
BUT WE STILL TALK TO 'EM OTHER WORDS.
THEY, THEY HAVE TO SEE THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING, YEAH.
WE ARE LOOKING AT THESE OLD HOUSES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY TOOLS IN MANY CASES TO MAKE IT SO PEOPLE WILL, WILL DO IT.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US ANY, BUT I THINK THEY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WON'T DO IT.
WE'RE FIND, WE'RE FINDING THAT YOU GO, OH, HIGH HOPE, OH BOY, WE'RE GONNA GET IT.
UM, BUT YOU NOTHING VENTURE, NOTHING GAINED.
GOTTA I MEAN, HOW MANY WE'VE DONE? AND I FINALLY HAVE SOMEBODY I THINK MAY BE IT, BUT SHE COULD ALL OF A SUDDEN GO, OH, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW.
AND, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE, LIKE YOU SAID, KNOWING SOMEBODY MM-HMM
ACROSS THE STREET THAT FINDS THIS PLACE.
AND, UM, ALSO A VERY BIG FACTOR, WHICH WAS VERY IFFY ON THE PETERSON.
THE LEGACY RANCH IS IN THE CITY LIMITS, JUST BARELY
I, I SAW SOMETHING THE OTHER DAY, I'M GONNA TRY TO FIND AGAIN, BUT I SAW SOMETHING THAT SAID THAT IT'LL DO THE HISTORIC RESEARCH OF YOUR PROPERTY WITH AI NOW.
AND THAT'S KIND OF INTERESTING 'CAUSE WE COULD JUST PLUG IN MAYBE SOME OF THESE ADDRESSES AND MAYBE WE CAN GET WHEN IT WAS BUILT, YOU KNOW, AND THIS TYPE OF A THING.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING MIGHT HAVE BEEN, BOBBY JUST MENTIONED, UM, ABOUT EDUCATION TOO.
I MEAN, PART OF OUR STATED MISSION ON OUR, ON OUR WEBSITE IS TO PROMOTE THE USE OF HISTORICAL LANDMARKS FOR EDUCATION, UM, AND EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS KIND OF THING.
SO EVEN, EVEN IF WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH SOMEBODY AND THEY STILL DECIDE NO, WELL NOW THEY'RE EDUCATED ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AND SO THAT, EVEN THAT CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WITH CHURCH OF THE RED ROCKS, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE IN TERMS OF LANDMARKING, WE'VE NOW EDUCATED THEIR ENTIRE GOVERNING COUNCIL ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
SO I THINK WE'RE STILL MEETING OUR MISSION BY DOING THAT.
AND ALSO TOO IS THAT, UM, IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, I REMINDED THEM YOU WANT THIS TO BE THERE BEFORE THE 100TH ANNIVERSARY.
UM, SO I, I RESPECT CARRIE AND WHAT, WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS WE NEED TO MOVE ON.
WELL, NO, I'M JUST SAYING ANYTHING ELSE, YOU, THE AGENDA ITEM IS ABOUT THE IFFY THE PROPERTIES THAT YOU'VE, AND THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THE SURVEYS AND THE LANDMARKS, AND YOU'RE KIND OF GETTING MORE INTO THE WELL, THAT'S REQUIREMENTS ALL THAT, THAT ISN'T HISTORICALLY HOW THIS WE'VE TREATED.
THIS IS ALSO OTHER PLACES TO LOOK AT.
SO, BECAUSE AGAIN, BASED ON OUR EARLIER CONVERSATION, HOW ELSE ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THAT? YEAH.
WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION PUBLICLY THEN.
SO IT WAS MORE THE, THE, AS YOU'RE, UM, VEERING INTO CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT PROPERTIES OUTSIDE CODE REQUIREMENTS THOUGH.
UH, HAVE WE DONE ANY UPDATING ON THE, UM, COMMISSION'S HANDBOOK? AND I'M WONDERING IF SOME OF THIS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THAT.
YEAH, I THINK THAT ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEM THOUGH.
UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD REQUEST FOR A FUTURE AGENDA.
BUT I, BUT I'M HOPING THAT I REPORT ON OUR DECEMBER MEETING THAT WE'VE GOT HER MEETING IN OUR POCKET.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE? OKAY, GREAT.
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AGENDA ITEMS. UH, NEXT MEETING'S.SO WE'LL JUST DISCUSS WHAT YOU WANNA PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AND SO CAN WE MAYBE HAVE A WORK SESSION OR, SO WE CAN WORK ON THE DOCUMENT HERE AT THAT SESSION? YEAH.
WE CAN PUT IT UP ON THIS SCREEN AND OH, GOOD.
SO THAT'LL BE, LET'S DO A WORK SESSION AND WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND PULL THIS THING TOGETHER.
I'LL, I'LL DO THE BONES AND THEN WE CAN PULL THE, PUT THE MEAT ON IT.
I'LL BE HERE THAT FOR THE EIGHTH.
UM, AND THEN COMMISSIONER FEENEY, WOULD YOU LIKE, UH, TO BEGIN A DISCUSSION ABOUT UPDATING THE HANDBOOK AT THAT? I, I DEFINITELY WOULD.
ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THAT AGENDA? NO, I THINK LET'S JUST WORK ON THAT, OUR PRESENTATION.
AGAIN, WE DO, I DO WANT THE, UH, REPORTS REGARDING ANY UPDATES ON HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
ANYTHING FROM STAFF THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ON THE AGENDA? OKAY.
DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UM, AND SO WE WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 4:46 PM OKAY.