* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] I CAN GO TAKE THOSE. YEAH. OKAY. [1. CALL TO ORDER, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE, ROLL CALL] I'M GONNA CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT FOUR 30. UM, FIRST, LET'S DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, ALL THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDI, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. UM, ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSION AND STAFF. SKIPPED OVER. I DID ROLL CALL. OH, ELECTION. OH, ROLL CALL. I'LL GET IT, Y'ALL. I'LL GET IT. ROLL CALL. ACTING CHAIR. GSKI PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MARTIN. SHE IS TRYING TO CONNECT AND NOT WE'RE TRYING. UH, COMMISSIONER WHEEL PRESENT. COMMISSIONER HURST PRESENT. COMMISSIONER SMITH PRESENT AND COMMISSIONER WALKER PRESENT. WELCOME. OKAY, I'M NOT GONNA SKIP NUMBER TWO THIS TIME. UM, [2. Election of Chair and Vice Chair] ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. SO, AS I TALKED TO KURT, THIS WILL BE FOR THIS MEETING. SO, SO IT'S UP TO, IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION SO YOU CAN DISCUSS IT. UM, THE, YOUR RULES REQUIRE YOU TO ADOPT A NEW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR IN JANUARY, OR WHEN THERE'S AN, UH, A VACANCY. AND THERE'S A VACANCY IN BOTH RIGHT NOW. SO ANYONE YOU CHOSE RIGHT NOW WOULD ONLY BE FOR ONE MEETING, AND THEN YOU'D PICK A NEW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR IN JANUARY. UH, SO THE OTHER OPTION IN THE RULES IS IF BOTH ARE ABSENT, YOU CAN JUST CHOOSE AN ACTING CHAIR FOR THE ONE MEETING. SO UP TO UP TO THE COMMISSION HOW THEY WANNA CHOOSE. THEY CAN EITHER JUST DESIGNATE SOMEONE AS AN ACTING CHAIR FOR THIS MEETING, OR YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO ELECTIONS ON A CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. I'M FINE VOTING. UM, AND WE CAN VOTE AGAIN, BUT BECAUSE IT MIGHT NOT BE JANUARY, WE MAY NOT SEE EACH OTHER AGAIN UNTIL THERE'S A MEETING SCHEDULE FOR JANUARY. OH, WE'RE GONNA SEE EACH OTHER JANUARY. UM, SO YEAH, SO I WOULD NOMINATE THE LONGEST STANDING PERSON ON THE COMMISSION. COMMISSION, WHICH IS YOU . FOR TEMPORARY FOR ACTING CHAIR OR FOR ACTING CHAIR? FOR ACTING CHAIR. JUST FOR TODAY. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO DO ACTING CHAIR? DO YOU WANNA VOTE FOR PERMANENT CHAIR? BECAUSE THE, WE HAVE A, IS THE VACANCY PO POSTED? DO WE KNOW WHEN, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE VAC? I, THE REASON I'M THINKING ABOUT VOTING IS THE CHAIR'S USUALLY INVOLVED IN INTERVIEWS AND IF WE HAVE AN OPEN SEAT AND IF INTERVIEWS HAPPEN BEFORE A NEXT MEETING, IT'D NICE TO HAVE A CHAIR. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AN ACTUAL CHAIR. I'M FINE. NOT A TODAY CHAIR. I'M FINE WITH THAT, WITH VOTING. SO THE, THE ACTING CHAIR COULD, COULD FILL IN IN THAT IF YOU WANTED. THAT'S WHO, THAT'S WHO WOULD GO. AND COUNCIL TOOK THAT BACK TO THEMSELVES AS WELL. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT QUITE THE SAME PROCESS. IT'S NOT, THEY'LL STILL INVITE THE CHAIR TO ATTEND, BUT IT, IT'S GONNA BE, THEY'LL BE INTERVIEWED BY ALL OF ALL OF, UM, COUNCIL NOW AND COUNCIL'S GONNA PICK THAT DATE NEXT TUESDAY, SO THAT'LL LIKELY BE IN JANUARY BEFORE THEY'RE, I DON'T KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA FIT IN ANOTHER MEETING BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR WITH HER. HMM. SO YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE A VACANCY THROUGH, THROUGH JANUARY, UH, AT LEAST THE, YEAH, THE FIRST WEEK OR TWO IN JANUARY. ANY THOUGHTS? UH, CHAIR. WE HAVE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OH, THAT'S TRUE. WE DO HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER? SIT SMITH'S INTERIM CHAIR NOMINATION OF MYSELF. COOL. MOTION DOESN'T CONTINUE. . I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. . UH, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE SARAH WHEEL FOR CHAIR AS THE SECOND MOST TENURED PERSON ON THIS COMMISSION. I'LL SECOND THAT. UH, ALL IN FAVOR DISCUSSION FOR A SECOND. OH, DISCUSSION. OH, SEE, THIS IS WHY I NEED HELP. UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS NOMINATION OF INTERIM CHAIR? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? COOL. MOTION PASSES. SARAH TAKES THE HOT SEAT. OKAY. AND SO THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ELECT A INTERIM VICE CHAIR OR UP TO THE COMMISSION IF YOU WANT TO, BUT YOU'LL BE DOING IT AGAIN IN JANUARY. I DON'T SEE A REASON I MOVE THAT WE, THAT WE WAIT TILL JANUARY. I SECOND THAT DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR OF WAITING FOR VICE CHAIR UNTIL THE REAL ELECTION. AYE, AYE. AYE. COOL. DO WE SWAP SEATS? [00:05:01] YOU CAN DO WE. THAT SEEMS RIDICULOUS. OKAY. YOU STAY THERE. DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT THE GAVEL? NO. . OH, RIGHT. THERE YOU GO. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR MY TIME AS CHAIR. OH, OKAY. EVERYBODY, WELCOME. UM, SO NUMBER THREE, [3. ANNOUNCEMENTS & SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS & STAFF] ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. I WANTED, UM, TO START BY WELCOMING OUR NEWEST MEMBER HARMONY. SO IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE A SECOND TO SPEAK ABOUT YOURSELF AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. SURE. I'M HARMONY WALKER. I'VE BEEN IN SEDONA THREE YEARS WITH MY FAMILY. I HAVE FOUR CHILDREN AND MY SPOUSE. AND, UM, MY BACKGROUND IS ACTUALLY IN CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, BUT IT'S BEEN ON THE BACK BURNER FOR A LONG TIME WITH CHILDREN, SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE THIS PROCESS HERE. SO THAT'S ALL. WELL, WELCOME. WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE YOU. THANKS, CARRIE. UM, WE ALSO HAVE AN INTRODUCTION. UM, TONY ALLEN IS OUR NEW COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. HE IS, UM, TAKING STEVE'S ROLE AS STEVE HAS STEPPED BACK TO BECOME DEPUTY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL. UM, AND SO IF TONY WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF, UM, FIRST OFF, JUST, UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO, TO SERVE AS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND, UH, UM, HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN, IN PLANNING AND ASSORTED, UM, OTHER RELATED, UM, PRACTICES FOR 33 YEARS NOW. SO, UH, SO I'M EXCITED TO, UH, TO BE HERE. MY WIFE AND I ALWAYS WANTED TO BE HERE. UM, SO WHEN THE POSITION CAME UP, IT WAS, WE THOUGHT, WHY NOT TAKE A CHANCE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. UM, SO GREAT COMMUNITY, GREAT PEOPLE, UM, VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO SERVING THE CITY, SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO UPDATE THAT JOE OR COMMISSIONER MARTIN DOES NOT HAVE GOOD RECEPTION, AND SO SHE HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO LOG ON, SO SHE WILL NOT BE ATTENDING THE MEETING TODAY. OKAY. NUMBER FOUR, [4. APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES] APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING MINUTES. OCTOBER 21ST, 2025. SO IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO YEAH. TAKE A MOTION, THEN THEY, THEN THEY STAND APPROVED IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS. YEAH, THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO STAND. YEAH. STAND APPROVED. NO OBJECTIONS, I ASSUME. SORRY. WE WERE ALL UNPREPARED FOR THIS TONIGHT. OKAY. UM, OKAY. NUMBER FIVE, PUBLIC FORUM. THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA PURSUANT TO A RS 38 DASH 4 31 0.01. ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DE DECISION AT A LATER DATE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY, ALL THE SAME. THEY'RE ALL GOOD ROW. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. NUMBER SIX, CLOSE THAT LEAD CLOSE. CLOSING THAT ITEM NUMBER SIX, [6.a. Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding Arts’n’One: a request for approval of a Minor Community Plan Amendment from Single Family Medium Density (SFMD) to MU (Mixed Use), Zone Change from SU (Special Use, Obsolete Zoning District) to M1 (Mixed-Use Neighborhood) and Conditional Use Permit to allow for the expansion of permitted uses on the property and continuation of the existing art studio, at 110 Oak Creek Boulevard. The property is ±0.31 acres and is located on the east side of Oak Creek Boulevard approximately 550 feet south of W State Route 89A. APN: 408-26-039] CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES. PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING ARTS IN ONE, A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A MINOR COMMUNITY PLAN. AMENDMENT FROM SINGLE FAMILY MEDIUM DENSITY TO MIXED USE ZONE CHANGE FROM SPECIAL USE OBSOLETE ZONING DISTRICT TO MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE EXPANSION OF PERMITTED USES ON THE PROPERTY AND CONTINUATION OF THE EXISTING ART STUDIO AT 110 OAK CREEK BOULEVARD. THE PROPERTY IS 0.31 ACRES AND IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF OAK CREEK BOULEVARD, APPROXIMATELY 550 FEET SOUTH OF WEST STATE, ROUTE 89 A, A PN 4 0 8 DASH 26 DASH 0 3 9 PROJECT. CASE NUMBER ARTS IN ONE PZ 25 DASH 0 0 5 OWNER AND APPLICANT IS THE KAISER HERMAN FAMILY TRUST. SO ALEX IS GONNA TAKE THIS ONE. ALL RIGHTY. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS CASE WE HAVEN'T MET. I'M ALEX. I'M ONE OF THE ASSISTANT PLANNERS WITH THE CITY. IT'S BOTH VERY EXCITING YET SUPER NERVE WRACKING TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY, BUT FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, THIS SHOULD BE PRETTY QUICK ON MY END. TO QUICKLY GO OVER THE PROPOSAL, THE ARTS IN ONE PROJECT IS LOCATED AT ONE 10 OAK CREEK BOULEVARD. AND AS SUBMITTED, IT INCLUDES A MINOR COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT, A ZONE CHANGE, AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AS OUTLINED IN THE MEMO DATED NOVEMBER 20TH IN THE PACKET, THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS SCHEDULED AND NOTICE FOR TODAY, DECEMBER 2ND, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS CONTINUING [00:10:01] TO WORK WITH STAFF AND HAS REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE TO ENSURE THAT YOUR REQUEST AND PROPOSAL IS COMPLETE AND ACCURATELY REFLECTS THEIR INTENDED GOALS. AS A RESULT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE PROJECT BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT MEETING ON JANUARY 6TH. I MOVE FOR CONTINUANCE. YES. UM, I WAS GONNA SAY THE APPLICANT WANTED TO SAY A COUPLE THINGS AS WELL. YOU'RE READY. SORRY. UH, PAUL KAISER, I AM A SEDONA RESIDENT FOR ABOUT 35 YEARS, AND, UM, MY PARTNER AND MYSELF HAVE OWNED THAT BUILDING FOR THAT LONG. ABOUT 28 YEARS AGO, WE WENT THROUGH A ZONE CHANGE ON THE PROPERTY, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. IT WAS A, UM, VERY INDUSTRIAL BRONZE CASTING, UM, PROPERTY. AND WE AT THAT TIME CHANGED IT OVER TO ART STUDIOS. WE ARE JEWELRY ARTISTS, WE DO JEWELRY MANUFACTURING AND WE WOULD LIKE TO OBTAIN THE ZONING CHANGE TO AN M1, WHICH WOULD ALLOW LIGHT COMMERCIAL SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING AND ALSO CONVERT THE BUILDING INTO FOR APARTMENTS. THE WAY THE BUILDING IS LAID OUT, IT'S A VERY SIMPLE FIX. IT'S ALREADY INDIVIDUALLY METERED WITH ELECTRICITY, UM, PLUMBING BATHROOMS IN EACH UNIT. SO IT REALLY JUST A MATTER OF CHANGING THE WALLS. UM, WE WANTED TO BE READY BY THIS MEETING, BUT BECAUSE OF THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY AND OUR NEW DIRECTOR HAD TO MOVE FROM HOUSTON AND WE FELT IT'D BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR SUSAN AND I DON'T HOLD YOUR HAND UP. MY PARTNER TO, UM, EXTEND THE MEETING TIME TILL WE HAD TIME TO MEET THE NEW DIRECTOR AND WORK OUT A FEW MINOR DETAILS. WE'VE HAD SOME QUESTIONS BACK AND FORTH AND BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS AND THE MOVE, IT JUST WASN'T POSSIBLE. SO I'M JUST HERE NOW JUST TO SAY HELLO, SHOW MY FACE, AND WE WILL GET A MEETING NOW WITH TONY NOW THAT HE'S BACK. AND THANK YOU FOR THE JOB THAT YOU DO AND WE WILL SEE YOU ON JANUARY 6TH AND WE WILL BE PREPARED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONCE AGAIN, I MOVE FOR THE EXTENSION TO JANUARY 6TH. I SECOND THAT MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. YEAH. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM CLOSED. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT [6.b. Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding Goodrow Housing: a request for approval of Zone Change from RS-10 (Single-Family Residential, 4 units per acre) to RM-3 (High-Density Multifamily, 20 units per acre) and Development Review to allow for the construction of 51 multifamily units at 60 Goodrow Lane. The subject property is ±2.9 acres and is located approximately 250 feet north of the intersection of Goodrow Lane and W State Route 89A (east of The Wilde Resort and Spa). APN: 408-24-069] PUBLIC HEARING. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING GOODROW HOUSING. A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF ZONE CHANGE FROM RS 10, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO RM THREE, HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF 51 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AT 60 GOOD ROW LANE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 2.9 ACRES AND IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 250 FEET NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF GOOD ROW LANE AND WEST STATE ROUTE 89 A EAST OF THE WILD RESORT AND SPA, APN 4 0 8 2 4 0 6 9. PROJECT CASE NUMBER, GOOD ROW HOUSING PZ TWO FOUR DASH 0 0 0 1 1 OWNER, APPLICANT, BCT SEDONA MULTIFAMILY, LLC. SO YES. SO TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE WATCH A PRESENTATION AND THEN WE WILL ASK QUESTIONS AND OPEN THE FLOOR TO THE PUBLIC FOR COMMENT, AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK FOR DISCUSSION AND THEN VOTE AND TAKE AN ACTION ACCORDINGLY. SO GARY, THANK YOU CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. UM, I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION AND THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION TO GIVE AFTER I COMPLETE MINE. UM, SO JUMPING RIGHT INTO IT, ALL OF THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT THE CHAIR JUST READ, BUT THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A ZONE CHANGE IN DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR A 51 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT. UM, IN ADDITION, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, THEY'RE REQUESTING LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE EXCEPTIONS FOR BUILDING HEIGHT AND BUILDING MASSING UNDER THE DIGO, WHICH IS THE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES AND GUIDELINES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, THE COMMISSION, THOSE WOULD BE APPROVED THROUGH A POTENTIAL OR THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH CITY COUNCIL. AND SO OUTSIDE OF THE ZONE CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, THE COMMISSION DOES NOT ACT ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. BUT WHEN WE WENT, I BELIEVE IT WAS A LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, WENT TO CITY COUNCIL TO SEE IF THEY WERE GOING TO APPROVE SOME OF THESE THINGS. THEY HAD STATED THEY WANTED THE COMMISSION'S INPUT ON IT. SO WE'RE DOING THAT THROUGH THIS PROCESS. CAN I JUST GET A CLARIFICATION? SO WE ARE MAKING A DECISION ON ZONE CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION [00:15:01] ON, WELL, THE ZONE CHANGE WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION AND YOU'RE PROVIDING INPUT. I MEAN, IT'S ALL ONE PROJECT ESSENTIALLY. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION TODAY. WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL ABOUT THE WHOLE PROJECT. SO THE ZONE, SO YOU WOULD MAKE A DECISION ON THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. OKAY. THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW IS A FINAL ACTION BY THE COMMISSION, UNLESS IT'S APPEALED. THE ZONE CHANGE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN WHEN CITY COUNCIL GETS IT, THEY CAN DO THE BIGGEST, BIGGEST, THEY WOULD CONSIDER A ZONE CHANGE AND A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. GOT IT. THANK YOU. SO, BUT IT'S ALL ONE PROJECT. I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU WOULD, I'M NOT GONNA BREAK IT APART, JUST CLARIFY, I'M ASSUMING. YEAH. SO, UM, AND ALL OF THIS, UM, ALL OF THE DETAILS AS ALWAYS ARE OUTLINED IN YOUR PACKET. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M TRYING NOT TO REHASH EVERYTHING IN DETAIL. BUT THE PROJECT IS SHOWN HERE, UM, AS THIS STIPPLE PROPERTY, UM, THIS IS SAFEWAY HERE AND THE WILD RESORT, UM, INDUSTRIAL AREA IS OVER HERE. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL SPACE ALONG 89 A UM, THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY, OBVIOUSLY BEFORE THESE BUILDINGS WERE REMOVED. UM, PREVIOUSLY THIS WAS, I BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE A CONTRACTOR. IT WAS LEGAL NON-CONFORMING CONTRACTOR'S YARD. UM, ON THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT, UM, THE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS THAT HAVE A SLIDE FOLLOWING THIS IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, IT IS MIXED USE, WHICH IS MEANT TO BE A TRANSITIONAL AREA BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND SINGLE FAMILY. UM, THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY RSS 10, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH ALLOWS FOUR UNITS PER ACRE. AND THEY ARE PROPOSING A HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONE, WHICH ALLOWS UP TO 20 UNITS PER ACRE. AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN DOES STATE THAT THE, UM, THAT ZONING'S OVER 12 UNITS PER A HERE ARE SUPPORTED IF THEY ARE ADDRESSING LOCAL HOUSING NEEDS. AND THAT'S TYPICALLY SEEN IN AVAILABILITY. SO RESTRICTIONS ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND AVAIL, SO AVAILABILITY AND AFFORDABILITY. SO MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE FOR LONG-TERM RENTALS AND POTENTIALLY AT AFFORDABLE RATES IS, UM, THE CONDITIONS THAT WE CONSIDER DENSITIES OVER 12 UNITS PER ACRE. THIS IS THE COMMUNITY PLAN MAP. UM, THERE, UM, THE GRAY IS THE MIXED USE AREA. SOME OF THE, THE PROPERTY INTO THE REAR OF THE WILD RESORT, OR LIKE THEIR EXPANSION PROPERTY USED TO BE PART OF THIS MIXED USE ZONE AS WELL, WHICH IS WHY IT'S A LITTLE SMALLER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER ONES. ONCE THAT GOT CHANGED TO, UM, ONCE THEY BUILT A HOTEL THERE, THAT GOT INCORPORATED INTO THE COMMERCIAL LODGING ZONE. IN THE NEXT, IN THE LA LATEST COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE, YOU CAN SEE THE RED HERE ARE COMMERCIAL DESIGNATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN. THE YELLOW ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND SO WE HAVE THIS MIXED USE AREA IN BETWEEN THEM. ZONING, UM, IS THE ZONING MAP. THE, AGAIN, THE RED IS THE LODGING. BLUE HERE IS COMMERCIAL. THIS DARKER BLUE IS INDUSTRIAL ZONING. AND THEN YOU HAVE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY PRO ZONING TO THE NORTH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HIGH OR OUTLINED IN PINK. UM, SO THE SITE PLAN, UM, SHOWN HERE. AND THEN IN CONTEXT HERE WHERE YOU HAVE THESE BUILDINGS, HERE ARE THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND THESE BUILDINGS ON THE WEST SIDE AND THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ARE THE TOWN TOWNHOUSE BUILDINGS. UM, SO THE, THE SHADED AREAS ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON THE GROUND LEVEL. SO THE BUILDINGS ARE, UM, ON THE SECOND AND THIRD LEVEL, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THAT FOR THE APARTMENTS. BUT THEN THE, THE TOWN HOMES HERE ARE JUST THE THREE STORY BUILDINGS. UM, THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE APARTMENTS ARE AS SHOWN HERE, AND THEN THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE TOWN HOMES ARE AS SHOWN HERE. UM, SO GETTING INTO THE ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION AGAIN, THEY ARE PROPOSING A ZONE CHANGE FROM RSS TEN FOUR UNITS PER ACRE TO RM THREE 20 UNITS PER ACRE. THEIR PROJECT DOCUMENTS STATE THAT THEY ARE TARGETING THIS PROJECT TO HOUSEHOLDS ARE EARNING UP TO 120% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME. UM, THE DETAILS OF WHAT TARGETED MEANS IS NOT IN THEIR CURRENT PROPOSAL, BUT THAT LETTER OF INTENT STATES THAT THEY WILL WORK WITH CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO COME UP WITH, UM, THE DETAILS OF THAT. UM, THEY HAVE STATED THAT THEY WILL REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF A 90 DAY [00:20:01] RENTAL FOR THE FIRST 10 YEARS OF THE PROJECT AND NO SUBLEASING THE UNITS WOULD BE PERMITTED. UM, AS FOR PUBLIC INPUT, THEIR CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN WAS NOT COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE PACKET DISTRIBUTION. I BELIEVE THEY HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT, UM, AS PART OF THEIR PRESENTATION. SO WE'LL LET THEM GET INTO THAT. OTHER THAN THAT, THE PROJECT DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN PLACED ON OUR WEBSITE. WE DID THE NOTICE IN THE RED ROCK NEWS, THE POSTING ON THE PROPERTY, THE MAILING TO NEIGHBORS. UM, ALL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED. I BELIEVE WE MAY HAVE GOTTEN SOMETHING IN THE LAST HALF HOUR OR SO BEFORE THE MEETING THAT DIDN'T QUITE GET TO YOU, BUT I BELIEVE THE LAST UPDATE WAS SENT TO YOU ABOUT THREE 30 THIS AFTERNOON. IF YOU, UM, CHECKED YOUR EMAIL RIGHT BEFORE YOU HEADED OVER HERE. UM, SO FOR THIS PROJECT WE REVIEWED IT FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, OTHER ADOPTED PLANS AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. UM, AND AGAIN, THAT FULL EVALUATION IS DETAILED IN YOUR PACKET. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT IS IN THERE. UM, BUT SOME HIGHLIGHTS FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND OTHER ADOPTED PLANS. THIS PROPERTY OR THIS PROJECT DOES PROVIDE VEHICLE PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE CONNECTIONS. IT PROVIDES AN EXTENSION OF BENNETT WAY AND IT PROVIDES HOUSING. AND AGAIN, UM, THEIR DOCUMENTS STATE THAT IT'S TARGETED TOWARDS 120% OF A MI AND UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING A 90 DAY MINIMUM RENTAL FOR THE FIRST 10 YEARS. UM, AS POINTED OUT IN YOUR PACKET, SIMILAR PROJECTS, UM, SOME THAT ARE NOT REQUESTING ZONE CHANGES HAVE TYPICALLY, UM, PROVIDED A 30 YEAR RESTRICTION, UH, FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AGAIN, THE FULL EVALUATION IS IN THE STAFF REPORT. A COUPLE AREAS TO POINT OUT ARE THAT THE BUILDINGS DO EXCEED MAXIMUM HEIGHT ALLOWANCES BY SEVEN TO 19 AND A HALF FEET. UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS THEY'RE REQUESTING AN EXCEPTION FOR UNDER THE OUR DIGA, WHICH IS AGAIN, DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES AND GUIDELINES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE, THE ALTERNATE STANDARDS WHICH ALLOW HEIGHT INCREASES WERE NOT APPLIED. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT TONY MET WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, THIS AFTERNOON AND THEY HAVE AGREED TO APPLY THE DARKER PAINT COLORS AND THE ARCHITECTURAL FORM TO NOT NECESSARILY CHANGE THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, BUT REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF EXCEPTION THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. UM, SO THAT IS ONE THING THAT, UM, WE GOT A COMMITMENT TO THIS AFTERNOON. UM, AND THE OTHER AREA THAT THEY DIDN'T MEET, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS AN ELEVATION VIEW MASSING, AND THAT'S WHERE THERE'S, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR CHANGES IN THE ROOF HEIGHT, UM, FOR THE TOWNHOUSE BUILDINGS. AND AGAIN, THEY ARE ACCEPTING OR REQUESTING AN EXCEPTION TO THAT REQUIREMENT. UM, MOVING ON, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OUTLINES THE FINDINGS THAT MUST BE MADE FOR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS. UM, THERE'S SAME THAT YOU'VE SEEN FOR MOST PROJECTS, ALL PROJECTS, UM, AND AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, STAFF IS NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS APPLICATION. UM, MAINLY AROUND SOME OF THE HOUSING COMMITMENTS, THE HEIGHT AND MASSING EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE REQUESTED. UM, AGAIN, THE THE THIRD BULLET POINT HERE, THEY ARE AGREEING TO, UH, UM, USE ALTERNATE STANDARDS TO REDUCE THE EXCEPTIONS REQUESTED. AND THEN THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PROCESS, AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL. IT IS JUST THERE ARE THINGS IN HERE THAT THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO DETERMINE IF WHAT THEY ARE OFFERING, UM, WHAT COMMITMENTS THEY HAD ARE, UM, IN YOUR OPINION IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AND IN KEEPING WITH THE GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN. AND SO YOU MAY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THE ZONE CHANGE. YOU CAN APPROVE OR DENY THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. UM, AGAIN, THE PROJECT WILL BE GOING ON TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, FOR THE ZONING. AND THEN AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WANNA TALK TO COUNSEL ABOUT THIS TOO, BUT COUNSEL DID REQUEST COMMISSION INPUT. AND SO THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. SO YOU'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR WE CAN JUST MOVE ON TO THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. GO AHEAD. SORRY, I KEEP LOOKING AT THIS FOR THE CHAIR, BUT UM, I'M TRY, I TRIED TO FIND IT AND I COULDN'T, WHAT'S, I KNOW WE'RE GOING FOR THE MUL, THE RM THREE THREE AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN OR THE FUTURE USE MAP. THIS IS MIXED USE. MIXED USE. WHAT IS THE UNITS PER ACRE FOR MIXED USE? THREE, [00:25:01] WHATEVER THE UM, M THREE DO YOU KNOW OFF, I CANNOT FIND IT. AND I TRIED. SO THE MIXED USE DESIGNATIONS WOULD NOT HAVE A DENSITY IN THE SAME WAY THAT LIKE AN RM THREE WOULD. SO THE RM DISTRICTS HAVE DENSITY WHERE THE M1, M TWO, M THREE DO NOT HAVE A DENSITY, BUT THEY WOULD FALL UNDER THE GENERAL RECOMMENDATION THAT, UM, PROPERTIES CAN BUILD UP TO 12 UNITS PER ACRE. AND THEN IF YOU GO OVER 12 UNITS PER ACRE, YOU SHOULD BE, UM, INCORPORATING STRATEGIES TO ADDRESS LOCAL HOUSING NEEDS. OKAY. SO I MEAN, HYPOTHETICALLY WITH THIS PROJECT, WITH THE ETHOS OF ADDRESSING LOCAL HOUSING NEEDS, THAT COULD HAVE WENT THE M THREE ROUTE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE A MORE CLEAR ROUTE TO GO. YEAH, SO SORRY. THE, YEAH, AN M THREE ROUTE WOULD'VE OPENED UP COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL WHERE THE RM THREE KEEPS IT TO JUST MULTIFAMILY. OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO LIKE COVER THE FUTURE USE MAP IN MY BRAIN. YEAH, WELL THE MIXED USE IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IN SOME AREAS YOU HAVE IT'S COMMERCIAL, IT'S SINGLE FAMILY, RIGHT? IT'S, SO THE MIXED USE UM, DOESN'T SPECIFY A SPECIFIC ZONING DISTRICT. IT JUST SPECIFIES THAT THIS SHOULD BE A TRANSITION AREA BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL TO THE RESIDENTIAL AND IT, UM, GOT IT. SO IT'S NOT BEING LITERAL IN THAT IT SHOULD BE A, A ZONE FOR RIGHT. IT CAN SUPPORT A COUPLE DIFFERENT ZONINGS DEPENDING ON WHAT MIGHT BE PRESENTED. OKAY. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE THAN POINTING ITS WAY TO MIXED USE ZONING. IT'S POINTING ITS WAY TO, THERE ARE OPTIONS. YES. GOT IT. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OVERLAY REAL QUICK? MM-HMM . THAT ONE. OKAY. IS THAT TO SCALE? 'CAUSE I KNOW THE INTENT WAS TO TRY AND HAVE THE ROAD CONNECT THROUGH TO CONTRACTOR ROAD AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT ALIGNMENT WOULD CONNECT. UM, THEY'D HAVE TO, THAT IS TO SCALE AGAIN, THE CONNECTION TO CONTRACTORS ROAD IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANYTIME SOON. WE'RE KIND OF RIGHT. IF IT WERE TO CONNECT, IT WOULD BE AS PROPERTIES REDEVELOP IF WE CAN GET ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS. OKAY. BUT THE INTENT WAS TO HAVE THAT BE IN ALIGNMENT SHOULD IT POTENTIALLY MOVE FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION? CORRECT. YEAH. I MEAN THE CITY OWNS THIS PROPERTY AND IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING THROUGH THERE GOT IT. IT WOULD JUST, OKAY. YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, UM, PER THE DIG DIGGA DIGGA, THEY, THE WORD TARGET IS USED IN THAT DOCUMENT A LOT, SO I THINK THAT'S POTENTIALLY WHY THEY USE THAT VERBIAGE. BUT UNDER SECTION G, IT TARGET POPULATION RENTAL, IT SAYS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF A HU SHOULD BE TARGETED TO HOUSEHOLDS EARNING UP TO 80% OF THE A MI. BUT THEY'RE ASKING FOR 120% OF THE A A MI. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT'S ANOTHER AREA THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT. POTENTIALLY THEY ARE PROPOSING 120%. OKAY. SO THAT COULD BE PART OF YOUR CONSIDERATIONS. GOT IT. OKAY. UM, THE DIGA IS A POLICY DOCUMENT, IT'S NOT CODE MM-HMM . BUT YEAH, IT PROVIDES GUIDANCE FOR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO BACK TO THE CONTRACTOR'S LANE OR THE EXTENSION OF, UM, BENNETT WAY. SO IT, AS I READ IT, IT STOUTS THAT AS, UM, I'LL SAY A GOOD THING. I MEAN WE'RE, THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING POSITIVE. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE EXTENT OF, OF BENNETT WAY, WHAT, WHAT VALUE IS THAT? UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION AND GO PLANS AND ALL THAT IS CREATING OFF HIGHWAY CONNECTIONS. AND SO OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD NOT GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH, BUT IT LEAVES OPEN THE POSSIBILITY THAT IT COULD GO THROUGH AND CREATE A CONNECTION BETWEEN RODEO AND COFFEE POT IN THE FUTURE IF WE WERE ABLE TO ACQUIRE RIGHT OF WAY THROUGH CONTRACTORS ROAD. RIGHT. SO, BUT AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN ANYTIME SOON. I MEAN, SO THE BENNETT WAY EXTENSION WAS, UM, DONE AS PART OF THE WILD AT THE TIME, THE ROUGE EXPANSION IN 20 13, 20 14. SO WE GOT THE FIRST PART OF IT ABOUT 11, ALMOST 12 YEARS AGO, I THINK, IF I'M REMEMBERING MY DATES CORRECTLY. UM, SO YEAH, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, UH, BUT BUT THE PROPERTY IN THE WAY IS CITY PROPERTY. YEAH. YEAH. SO IT JUST WE'RE, YOU KNOW, PIECING IT TOGETHER AND LEAVING OPEN OPTIONS FOR CONNECTIONS IN THE FUTURE. OKAY. IF I, IF I CAN ADD TO THAT TOO, IT'S ALWAYS THE MOST COMPLICATED PART, BEING ABLE TO MAKE THE, MAKE THE CONNECTION ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO BEING ABLE TO GET THAT AND FUTURE PROOFING THIS, TO BUILD THAT LEVEL OF, OF CONNECTIVITY IS IMPORTANT. [00:30:02] UH, CARRIE, I WAS CONFUSED ABOUT THE RM THREE WHEN I READ THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. IT SAID THAT THE HORIZONTAL PLANE OF 22 FEET DIDN'T APPLY. SO I, I WAS, THERE WAS A LOT OF RULES IN THERE AND I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF IN THERE. YEAH, YEAH. I COULD TRY TO FIND, SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT PLANES WHEN, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT HEIGHTS. THE FIRST IS THE HORIZONTAL PLANE, WHICH WE FIND THE HIGHEST POINT WITHIN THE BUILDING ENVELOPE AND GO UP 22 FEET FOR SINGLE FAMILY OR 25 FEET FOR RM ONE AND RM TWO, AND THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THE BUILDING CAN BE. BUT THAT GOES STRAIGHT ACROSS AND THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO RM THREE, BUT THERE IS A 22 FOOT PARALLEL TO GRADE. SO OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE AT THE SAME POINT AT THE HIGH POINT OF THE BUILDING. BUT AS GRADE SLOPES AWAY, THAT HORIZONTAL PLANE IN THE PARALLEL PLANES START DIFFERENT, START GETTING SEPARATED. AND SO AT THE LOW END OF THE BUILDING, IF THE LOW END OF THE BUILDING IS FIVE FEET LOWER THAN THE HIGH END OF THE BUILDING, THAT HORIZONTAL PLANE IS GONNA BE 27 FEET ABOVE THE 22 FOOT PARALLEL PLANE. SO THE PARALLEL PLANE THAT FOLLOWS THE GRADE OF THE, UM, OF THE LOT APPLIES TO ALL PROPERTIES. IT'S JUST THAT MAXIMUM HEIGHT THAT WE MEASURE FROM THE HIGH POINT WITHIN THE BUILDING ENVELOPE DOES NOT APPLY IN RM THREE. OKAY. I THINK I GOT THAT. SO IN, IN THE REPORT IS LISTED THE HEIGHT ABOVE WHICH PLANE PARALLEL, PARALLEL PLANE, UH, LIKE THREE POINT AND IT GOES FROM TWO TO 14.5. UH, AFTER THE RE AFTER TALKING WITH THE APPLICANT AGAIN, WHAT CREDITS ARE THEY NOW GETTING TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW IT'S SEVEN TO 19 AND A HALF. SO IF THEY GET THE FULL FIVE CREDITS TO REDUCE OR TO INCREASE THE PERMITTED HEIGHT, THE INCREASE THEY'D BE ASKING FOR WOULD BE TWO TO 14 AND A HALF OVER THE PARALLEL POINT. OKAY. SO THEY'RE JUST GETTING A FIVE FOOT FOR THE DARKER COLOR, UM, AND SOME ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING. YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH, AND IF I CAN JUST MAKE A QUICK CLARIFICATION ON THAT TOO. SO, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO LOOK INTO IT. UM, AND SO BETWEEN HERE AND COUNSEL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN'T COMMIT TO SOMETHING IN 15 MINUTES PRIOR TO A MEETING. UM, BUT, BUT THEY LIKED THE IDEA OF LOOKING INTO IT AND SO THAT WAS THE AGREEMENT. THEY, THEY MAY CHOOSE THE COLOR AND NOT THE ARCHITECTURAL DIFFERENTIATION. THEY MAY DO BOTH. IT'S, IT'S UP TO THEM, BUT, UM, BUT I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE OPEN TO IT AND GOING TO VERY STRONGLY LOOK INTO IT. SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO OVERCOMMIT THE APPLICANT, UM, UM, TO, UH, TO WHAT THEY CAN DO, BUT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT IT. SO TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, SO EVEN IF THEY DO THE ARCHITECTURAL VARIANCE AND THE COLOR MM-HMM . IT'S STILL ONLY A FIVE FOOT VARIANCE? YEAH, THEY CAN GET A MAXIMUM OF FIVE FEET. I THINK IT'S A MAXIMUM OF TWO AND A HALF FEET WITH COLOR AND THEN THEY COULD GET POTENTIALLY UP TO, GEEZ, THREE AND A HALF OR FOUR FEET, BUT WITH ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING, BUT IT'S A MAXIMUM OF FIVE FEET TOTAL. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M GONNA GO TO THE PRESENTATION. YEAH. APPLICANT HAS PRESENTATION, SO YES. YOU, YOU CAN SIT HERE, IT'S OKAY. YES. AND YOU CAN JUST SCROLL THROUGH BUTTON OR YOU CAN JUST, YOUR POINTER. I DO, I'LL LET YOU SCROLL SINCE YOU PUT IT TOGETHER. OKAY. OR YOU CAN JUST TELL ME TO ADVANCE THIS. CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? SURE. HELLO THERE, MY NAME'S BRUCE TAYLOR. I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT. I'M FROM PARK CITY, UTAH AND HAVE A LITTLE OVER 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE WITH MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING. SO THROUGH THE WONDERS OF NETWORKING, I'VE BEEN ASKED BY THE MARS TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT. AND THE TEAM WE'VE PUT TOGETHER INCLUDE PETE ALT TO MY RIGHT, WHO'S A LAND PLANNER AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ALSO FROM PARK CITY, UTAH. UH, SEATED IN THE AUDIENCE, OR I GUESS BEHIND ME IS RYAN OLA, AN ARCHITECT WITH OFFICES IN DULUTH, MINNESOTA, AND PHOENIX. WE'RE BOTH A SU GRADS, SO WE BRING A LITTLE BIT OF LOCAL TO THE TABLE HERE. UH, A STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING TEAM OUT OF SALT LAKE CITY THAT IS NOT PRESENT TODAY. AND A MEP, MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING, [00:35:01] UH, TEAM THAT, UH, IS ALSO FROM SALT LAKE CITY, BUT WE'RE WORKING SPECIFICALLY WITH OUR OFFICE IN TEMPE. UM, SO WE ARE TRYING TO UTILIZE SOME LOCAL TALENT AND EXPERTISE. AND THEN THE WHOLE TEAM TOGETHER, UH, BRINGS A PRETTY INFLUENTIAL PACKAGE OF, UH, WHAT THE PROJECT WANTS TO BE. UM, WE WERE ASKED, UH, TO CREATE NOT ONLY, UH, MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, BUT ONE THAT WANTED TO BE IDENTIFIED AS A HOME INSTEAD OF AN APARTMENT THAT IS JUST SPACE THAT YOU LIVE IN FOR A WHILE, BUT SOMEPLACE WHERE ONCE YOU'RE THERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY UNPACK AND BE COMFORTABLE. UM, WITH THAT WE DEVELOPED SEVERAL DIFFERENT, UH, FLOOR TYPE FLOOR PLAN TYPES IN THE APARTMENTS. WE HAVE A ONE BEDROOM, UH, WE HAVE A TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH. WE HAVE A TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH UNIT. AND THEN AS, UH, FAMILIES, UH, MIGHT GET BIGGER OR A APARTMENT, RENTERS MIGHT WANNA, UH, GET MARRIED AND STAY AND HAVE A FAMILY. WE HAVE SOME TOWNHOUSE UNITS, WHICH ARE BOTH A TWO BEDROOM AND A THREE BEDROOM PLAN. UH, THE HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, DO INDEED EXCEED, UH, WHAT IS PRINTED AS ALLOWABLE IN YOUR CODES. THE APARTMENTS FROM THE LOWEST FLOOR LEVEL TO THE HIGHEST OF ROOF PLANE ABOVE THAT FLOOR LEVEL IS 38 FEET, UH, DUE TO THE TOPOGRAPHY SLOPE. UM, SOME OF THE BUILDING FLOOR PADS ARE, UH, A LITTLE BIT ABOVE WHAT THE EXISTING GRADE IS. UM, SO THAT'S WHY THERE IS A VARIATION. BUT THE APARTMENT BUILDING ITSELF DOESN'T EXCEED 38 FEET IN HEIGHT. SAME CONCEPT WITH THE TOWN HOMES, WHICH, UH, THE MAXIMUM FLOOR HEIGHT FROM A PARTICULAR FLOOR PLATE OR YEAH, THE LOWEST LEVEL FLOOR PLATE TO THE ROOF ABOVE THAT RELATIVE FLOOR PLATE IS 33 FEET. UM, THE TALLER BUILDINGS, THE THREE APARTMENTS ARE LOCATED TOWARDS, UH, THE LOWER PART OF THE PARCEL. AND THE TOWN HOMES ARE UP ON THE HIGHER END OF THE PARCEL AS WE SAW THIS MORNING. UM, SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE MINIMIZING THE VISUAL IMPACT AS MUCH AS WE CAN SIMPLY BY THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDINGS. UH, PETE I THINK DID A REALLY GOOD JOB LAYING OUT THE APARTMENTS, UH, PARALLEL TO TOPOGRAPHY LINES. SO, UH, THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE TERRAIN, UM, IN THE, UH, UPPER LEVEL OF THE TOWNHOUSE UNITS ARE BURIED INTO THE HILL. UH, UH, ABOUT A THREE QUARTERS OF A STORY. SO WHILE IT WOULD APPEAR TO BE A THREE STORY BUILDING AT THE FRONT, IT'S A LITTLE OVER TWO STORY IN THE BACK. UH, THE BENNETT WAY CONNECTION WAS IDENTIFIED BY CARRIE AND HER TEAM EARLY ON, SO WE'VE WORKED WITH HER TO DO THAT. UM, AND AS IT SAYS, IT'S KIND OF RUNNING INTO THE BACK OF, UH, BUILDING THAT'S BUILT ON CITY PROPERTY. SO WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN UN UNTIL THE TIME COMES WHEN THE REST OF THE STREET CAN BE CONTINUED. UH, ARCHITECTURALLY WE'VE COME UP WITH, UH, MASSING AND DETAILS THAT WORK FOR THE UNITS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE. UM, WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO NEGOTIATE OR FURTHER REFINE WHAT WE'VE DRAWN, BUT WHAT WE FEEL OR WE FEEL WHAT IS PRESENTED WORKS FOR US AND WORKS FOR THE PROJECT AND HOPEFULLY WITH THE CITY. BUT AGAIN, AT THIS POINT IT'S LINES ON PAPER. SO IF WE NEED TO DO SOME TWEAKING, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT. PETE, DO YOU WANNA RUN THROUGH THE POWERPOINT? WHERE'S THE, WHERE DO I HIT THE NEXT BUTTON? I THINK WE HAVE TO JUST SCROLL, BUT IT'S PRETTY SENSITIVE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, A COUPLE QUICK THINGS. WE DID MAKE SURE YOU, WE DID HAVE OUR CITIZEN PARTICIPATION MEETING, UH, YESTERDAY EVENING. UM, WE HAD ONE, UH, NEIGHBOR SHOW UP AND WE HAD ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF LONG DISCUSSION WITH THAT NEIGHBOR ABOUT, UH, SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS. THE CONCERNS BASICALLY CONSISTED OF, UH, HEIGHT, DENSITY, UH, SPELLING OUT A BIT MORE OF WHAT AMENITIES MAY BE IN THE OPEN SPACE AS FAR AS RECREATION ITEMS FOR, FOR THE KIDS, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, UM, WE DID, WE DID FULFILL THAT PORTION OF THE REQUIREMENT. UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE JUST DIDN'T GIVE 'EM MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE WEEKS NOTICE THAT WE WERE GONNA DO THIS, BUT WE DID, WE DID FULFILL THAT OBLIGATION. UM, AND SO, AND I'M SURE, UH, THAT HE'S HERE TODAY AND WILL SPEAK WHEN YOU OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. SO, SO REAL QUICK, AGAIN, WE, WE STARTED WITH, [00:40:01] UH, THE ALTA SURVEY AND AGAIN, OUR SITE IS LOCATED, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE OF A LOT OF, A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR PROBABLY ABOUT TWO YEARS. UH, WE WENT THROUGH QUITE A NUMBER OF ITERATIONS ON ROAD ALIGNMENTS, UH, NUMBER OF UNITS, UM, HOW MUCH OPEN SPACE WE HAVE, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND, UM, WE, WE CHANGED IT A BIT. AND AGAIN, WORKING WITH STAFF, WORKING WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL, WORKING WITH OUR ENGINEER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLIANT WITH CODE, UM, HAS BEEN PART OF THIS, THIS EVOLUTION OF THE PROJECT. UM, SO QUICKLY RUNNING THROUGH THIS THING. SO THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN. UM, AND THIS, THIS SEAT SHEET IS COVERING A LOT OF BASES. WE HAVE, UH, WHAT OUR CURRENT ZONING IS, WHAT THE PROPOSED ZONING IS, OUR ACREAGE, THE NUMBER OF UNITS WE HAVE BY, BY TOWN, HOMES AND MULTIFAMILY. WE HAVE A PARKING BREAKDOWN. UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THIS MORNING ON OUR TOUR OF THE SITE WAS OUR PARKING CALCULATIONS. I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT IT AGAIN AND WE ARE PROPOSING TWO SPACES PER UNIT FOR THE TOWN HOMES WITH THE APARTMENTS, DEPENDING UPON WHETHER IT'S A ONE BEDROOM OR A TWO BEDROOM, VARIES BETWEEN ONE AND A QUARTER AND 1.75 PARKING SPACES PER UNIT. AND WE'RE COMING IN A LITTLE OVER AT 1.8 SPACES PER UNIT. SO, SO WE'RE WITHIN THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING ON, ON THIS PROJECT. UM, SO AS WE, SO AS WE COME OFF OF EXISTING GOOD ROW, THIS PROJECT OVER HERE IS ONE THAT WAS APPROVED SOME TIME AGO. IT'S A COMMERCIAL PROJECT RETAIL. UM, WE LOOKED AT AT ONE POINT TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM TO REDUCE SOME PAVEMENT, BUT WE ENDED UP ULTIMATELY HAVING TO GO BACK TO WHERE WE ARE, ARE SORT OF WORKING TOGETHER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME NOT TRYING TO SHARE FACILITIES. SO, UH, THE WILD, UH, RESORT AREA IS DOWN ON THIS SIDE OF THE PROJECT. SO WE HAVE OUR PRIMARY ROAD THAT COMES IN, CONNECTS INTO THE BENNETT WAY EXTENSION. AGAIN, AS BRUCE MENTIONED, OUR APARTMENT UNIT, MULTIFAMILY UNITS ARE A, B, AND C. THE, THE RECTANGLE SPACE ARE THE A DA, UH, UNITS. AND THEN THE, THE LONGER RECTANGLE, THOSE ARE STORAGE UNITS THAT ARE UNDERNEATH THE, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. SO THE ONLY LIVING SPACE THAT WE HAVE ON THE FIRST FLOOR ARE THE A DA ACCESSIBLE UNITS. UM, ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP THIS MORNING WAS THERE'S A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN THAT FLOATS THROUGH THE PROJECT HERE AND WE HAVE NONE OF THE HABITABLE LIVING, LIVING SPACE WITHIN THAT ZONE. SO WE FLIPPED THE BUILDINGS AROUND. SO AGAIN, CAPITAL SPACE IS ALL OUTSIDE OF THIS A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD ZONE. THERE'S A 500 YEAR ZONE THAT COMES BARRELING THROUGH THERE, BUT AGAIN, THAT DOES NOT IMPACT, UM, FLOOR LEVELS. ON THE LIVABLE SPACE, AGAIN, WE HAVE THE FOUR UNIT TOWN HOMES ON THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY. SO AGAIN, THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURES FOR THE APARTMENTS ARE LOCATED INTERNAL TO THE SITE. AND WE HAVE THE, ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS THAT WE'VE CREATED A COMMON AREA HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE. UH, AT ONE POINT WE WERE LOOKING AT TRYING TO PUT IT OVER HERE ON THIS END OF THE SITE, BUT WE RAN INTO SOME, SOME GRADING ISSUES AND SOME DIFFICULTY THERE. SO WE CURRENTLY ENVISION, UH, A SHADE STRUCTURE. THE POST OFFICE MAILBOXES WILL BE THERE. WE'VE GOT SOME BIKE PARKING, A PATIO SPACE, AND WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM WITHIN THIS SPACE TO INCLUDE SOME ADDITIONAL AMENITIES IF WE WANT TO HAVE SWING SETS OR SOME SORT OF AMENITY FOR MORE KIDS RECREATION. UM, THE OTHER, ONE OF THE OTHER FEATURES OF THE DESIGN, AFTER MEETING WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL IN DETERMINING, UH, ALL THE CORRECT RADIUSES WE NEEDED TO HAVE WHERE WE HAVE INTERSECTIONS, WE ALSO WERE REQUIRED TO INCLUDE A EMERGENCY ACCESS PATH BETWEEN, UH, BUILDINGS A AND B. SO AGAIN, THAT IN THE EVENT THAT THERE IS A FIRE, YOU KNOW, A FIRE OR SOME ISSUE, UM, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO GET TO ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS WITHIN THEIR, THEIR, THEIR RESTRICTIONS. UM, AND THAT'S GONNA BE MORE OF A GEOBLOCK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BLOCKS WITH GRATES AND THEN YOU FILL 'EM WITH GRAVEL OR YOU CAN RESEED IT AS NATIVE PLANT MATERIAL. SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT PAVEMENT. UM, [00:45:01] ALL OUR STREETS MEET THE 26 FOOT WIDTH REQUIREMENTS OF THE FIRE MARSHAL. UM, WE ALSO INCLUDE AS PART OF THE, THE COMMUNITY TRAIL, UM, PLAN THAT WE HAVE A, WE CONNECT TO AN EXISTING SIDEWALK HERE ON BENNETT WAY. WE THEN RUN A SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY UP TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY LINE. AND AGAIN, AT THIS POINT, THE CODE REQUIRES A 10 FOOT TRAIL ON ONE SIDE OR TWO FIVE FOOT TRAILS. SO WE'VE INCLUDED A FIVE FOOT TRAIL ON THIS SIDE AND A FIVE FOOT TRAIL ON THIS SIDE. AND THEN ONCE WE GET TO THIS INTERSECTION, WE COMBINE IT ALL INTO A 10 FOOT TRAIL, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF BENNETT. AND OUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO BUILD THE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK INITIALLY UNTIL SUCH TIME AS BENNETT WAY GETS EXTENDED TO GO TO THE FULL 10 FOOT WIDTH. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU WOULD JUST RUN INTO THE BACK OF A BUILDING. SO IT'S, DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE AT THIS POINT TO DO THE FULL 10 FOOT. UM, WHAT ELSE ABOUT THE SITE? SO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS CAME UP THAT WITHIN THIS SITE WE ARE, WE WERE PROPOSING 52% OF THE SITE IS OPEN SPACE, SO THAT INCLUDES THE COMMON AREA, UM, SETBACK AREAS, INCLUDES THIS AREA ON, YOU KNOW, ON THE PROPERTY. SO OVER HALF THE SITE IS BEING PRESERVED AS OPEN SPACE EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A FAIRLY DENSE AND COMPACTS, UH, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. UM, WE HAVE DUMPSTER LOCATIONS. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP THIS MORNING WAS ABOUT, UH, PROJECT DRAINAGE. UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY SHOWING A STORM WATER BASIN HERE AND ANOTHER ONE DOWN AT, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE LOWEST POINT, POINT ON THE SITE. UM, WE WILL PROBABLY TRY TO REWORK THIS A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE I DON'T REALLY LIKE HAVING A RETAINING WALL NEXT TO MY SIDEWALK THROUGH THERE. SO WE MAY GO TO AN UNDERGROUND STORAGE TYPE, UH, DETENTION VERSUS HAVING AN OPEN POND, UH, SCENARIO THAT YOU SEE HERE. BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THIS IS WHAT IT MEETS, UH, ALL OUR VOLUME REQUIREMENTS. AND, AND SO WE'RE, AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH GLEN AT SEFTON TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THAT WORKING. ALL OUR UTILITIES ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE STREETS. UH, WE HAVE A WATER CONNECTION DOWN HERE. WE HAVE CONNECTIONS OVER AT THIS POINT, SO WE HAVE WATER AND SEWER GOING THROUGH THE SITE. UM, WE ALSO LOOKED AT, WELL, I'LL GET TO THAT NEXT. SO AGAIN, WE'VE, WE HAVE ALL THESE, ALL THE CON ALL THE CALCULATIONS ON FLOOR AREA RATIO AS REQUIRED BY CODE AND WE WE'RE ALL COMPLIANT ON ALL THOSE NUMBERS. TOOK SOME DOING TO GET THERE, BUT WE DID, UH, THIS IS OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN, AGAIN, TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT THE SHADED AREAS ARE THE 21,000 SQUARE FEET THAT WE CALL LANDSCAPE AREA. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ALL THE OPEN SPACE, BUT IT'S AREAS WHERE WE'VE DESIGNATED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING. UH, WE ARE USING ALL NATIVE PLANT MATERIAL AND, UH, WE EXCEED THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE. WE ALSO IDENTIFY, UH, WHICH ARE THE EXISTING TREES PER THE ALTA SURVEY AND THE TREES THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON, ON PRESERVING. PRIMARILY, THEY, ALL THE ONES WE'RE SAVING ARE PRIMARILY ALL IN THIS AREA. 'CAUSE AGAIN, GIVEN THE DENSITY OF THE, THE TIGHTNESS OF THE SITE AND THE, THE AMOUNT OF GRADING, WE AREN'T ABLE TO SAVE A, A LOT OF THE ONES INTERNAL TO THE SITE. OKAY. UM, THESE ARE SOME IMAGES. UM, BRUCE, IF YOU WANT TO CHIME IN ON, ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. OKAY. WE HAD, UM, TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE. OH, I'M SORRY. AND LET ME BACK UP REAL QUICK. I FORGOT TO MENTION THE SEFTON ENGINEERING TEAM. UH, UH, LUKE AND GLEN HAVE BEEN INTEGRAL IN DEVELOPING ALL OF THE CIVIL ENGINEERING DRAWINGS FOR THIS, UH, IN MY, UH, NERVOUSNESS, IF YOU WILL, OF PRESENTATION, I OVERLOOKED THEM, MY APOLOGIES. BUT AGAIN, LOCALS THAT KNOW WHAT, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE AND, AND HOW TO HELP US THROUGH THE PROCESS HERE. SO ON THE, UH, BUILDINGS WE HAVE, UM, SEE THERE'S THE BUTTON OKAY FOR, UH, SEVERAL IMAGES TAKEN FROM DIFFERENT VANTAGE POINTS OF THE, UH, PROPERTY AS IDENTIFIED ON THE SCREEN. AND THE, UH, IMAGES ARE SUPERIMPOSED OVER, UM, IMAGES THAT WERE TAKEN, UH, BY THE SEFTON TEAM. UM, SO THIS IS ACTUAL, UM, IMPACT OF, UH, VISUALS TO [00:50:01] THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY. SO AS YOU SEE FROM, UH, GETTING OFF OF 89 A ON GOOD ROW, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE ENTERING THE BOTTOM CORNER OF OUR PROPERTY. AND AGAIN, THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT ON THIS FENCED IN LOT THAT IS NOT SUPERIMPOSED IN THIS PARTICULAR IMAGE. UM, THIS IMAGE HERE IS, UH, AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE FIRE ENTRANCE GATE AT THE BACK OF THE WILD. SO BENNETT WAY WOULD CONTINUE IN THIS FASHION OVER THROUGH OUR PROPERTY. THIS IS THE BACK OF THE TOWN HOMES THAT ARE ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. AND, AND THE ONE THING WE WANTED TO MENTION WAS THAT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN HOMES ARE STEPPING WITH THE SITE, SO THERE IS SOME ARTICULATION AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING FROM, UH, I THINK WE HAVE ROUGHLY A FOOT AND A HALF TO TWO FEET OF, OF GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN UNITS. SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S FOLLOWING. SO THAT GETS US AWAY FROM SORT OF THAT, UH, BOXY LOOK OF THE TOWN HOMES. AND SO THIS IS LOOKING, ONCE YOU'RE INTO THE SITE AND YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THE SOUTH TO THE NORTH, AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE, UH, APARTMENT BUILDING ON THE RIGHT LOOK, UH, TOWN HOMES ON THE LEFT. AND THEN YOU SEE THE TOWN HOMES IN THE BACK, UM, WHERE THE, WHERE BENNETT WAY COMES ACROSS. SO AGAIN, UM, AND THIS DOESN'T SHOW ANY OF THE LANDSCAPING THAT WE ARE PROPOSING. THE DETENTION BASIN IS ON THE LEFT SIDE BY THE TOWN HOMES. AND AGAIN, JUST THAT'S SORT OF THE VIEW THAT YOU WOULD BE SEEING AS YOU ENTER INTO THE SITE. SO AGAIN, THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS THAT RETENTION POND THAT PETE JUST POINTED OUT ON THE BOTTOM OF OUR PROPERTY. THIS IS THE LOT WITH THE UNBUILT, UH, COMMERCIAL, UH, OCCUPANCY THAT HAS RECENTLY BEEN APPROVED. AND THIS IS LOOKING BACK DOWN OUR ENTRY STREET. SO FROM THE TOP, UH, 89 A IS UP HERE. THERE IS THE VACANT LOT, UH, BENNETT WAY, UH, CUL-DE-SAC, IF YOU WILL, AT THE BACK OF THE WILD PROPERTY IS RIGHT HERE. THIS IS WHERE BENNETT WAY WOULD EXTEND THROUGH OUR PARCEL. SO LOOKING DOWN THREE APARTMENT BUILDINGS ON THE LEFT AND TWO, UH, FOURPLEX TOWNHOUSE UNITS ON THE RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO AGAIN, WE GETTING BACK TO, UH, THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT IS WHAT'S WAS CURRENTLY OUT THERE TODAY MINUS THE, THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT WERE TAKEN OUT AND THEN DROPPING OUR SITE PLAN INTO THE CONTEXT OF THAT SAME SITE, JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF HOW WE RELATE TO THE, THE DEVELOPMENTS AROUND US AND THE PROPERTIES AROUND US. UM, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AGAIN, JUST BLENDING IN. AND YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING ABOUT THE EXTENSION OF BENNETT WAY, THERE'S A PROPERTY LINE THAT THAT SEPARATES THE COUNTY PARCEL AND I GOT NERVOUS HANDS. THERE'S A PROPERTY LINE RIGHT THROUGH THERE. SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO EXTEND BENNETT WAY THROUGH THE PRIVATELY OWNED PIECE BELOW. SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE, WE CAME IN WHERE WE DO AND THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME TWEAKING THAT CAN BE DONE THERE TO MAYBE GET A SLIGHTLY BETTER ALIGNMENT. AND THEN THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER RENDERING OF THE SITE AND WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. UM, IT'S BEEN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S BEEN A, UH, SOME TIME GETTING TO THIS POINT. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR VISIT THIS MORNING ONTO THE SITE. AND AGAIN, WE'RE OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY, THANK YOU. DO YOU GUYS WANNA ASK QUESTIONS? ARCHITECTS ALWAYS HAVE QUESTIONS. UM, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND, UH, PARKING FOR THE BUILDINGS, THE, IF I DID THE, I FOUND ON YOUR COVER SHEET THAT THERE'S 16 TOWN HOMES IN 35 APARTMENTS. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND DO THE TOWN HOMES, DO THEY EACH HAVE A GARAGE? YEAH, SO PARKING IS WITHIN THE BUILDING, UH, ONE CAR GARAGE PER TOWN HOME, PLUS THE LENGTH OF A DRIVEWAY, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING, THE CAR KIDS BEHIND THE SIDEWALK AND THE OTHER PARKING FOR THE THREE BUILDINGS DOES THE LARGE PARKING LOT BETWEEN BUILDING A AND B SERVE BOTH BUILDING A AND B. IT CAN UNDER EACH OF THE APARTMENTS, AGAIN, WITH ONLY THE A DA UNIT AND THE STORAGE, UM, ROOMS ON THE LOWER LEVEL. WE PROVIDE QUITE A BIT [00:55:01] OF PARKING UNDERNEATH THE BUILDINGS. IN BUILDINGS A AND C, THERE'S ONE, UH, COVERED SPACE UNDER THE BUILDING FOR EACH UNIT. BUILDING B IS A LITTLE BIT SHORTER BECAUSE OF THAT FIRE DEPARTMENT CONNECTOR ROAD. SO WE LOST A COUPLE OF PARKING SPACES, BUT BETWEEN, AGAIN, ONE BASICALLY THE SPACES UNDERNEATH THE BUILDINGS A, B, AND C PLUS THE SURFACE PARKING, UH, ABOVE C AND BETWEEN A AND B AND THEN ALONG THE EXTENSION OF GOOD ROW GETS US UP TO THAT 1.8, UH, PARKING SPACES PER UNIT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT. SO MY, MY QUESTION HAD TO LEAD UP WITH, DID YOU CONSIDER FLIPPING THE PARKING LOT NORTH OF BUILDING A? SO BUILDING A IS CLOSER TO BUILDING B AND YOU CONCENTRATE YOUR HIGH RISES MORE TOGETHER AND GET MORE OPEN SPACE TO THE SOUTH. OR HAVE YOU CONSIDERED MOVING C AND B SOUTHER SOUTHWARD TO ALLOW THE TOWN HOMES AT THE NORTH TO HAVE MORE SPACE TO THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE TO THE NORTH? WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT BUILDINGS F AND G THE TOWN HOMES WERE DICTATED BY THE ALIGNMENT OF BENNETT WAY EXTENSION. AGAIN, NOT WANTING TO COMP EXPECT THE EXTENSION TO GO THROUGH PRIVATELY OWNED COMMERCIAL GROUND VERSUS GOING THROUGH THE COUNCIL OR THE, THE CITY'S PROPERTY. THAT ALIGNMENT PRETTY MUCH DICTATED WHERE, WHERE BENNETT WAY HAD TO GO. UM, WE LOOKED, WE HAD LOOKED AT AT ACTUALLY WHEN WE, OUR FIRST ITERATION ON BUILDING A, WE WERE TRYING TO SHARE THE PARKING LOT WITH THE RETAIL SPACE BELOW AND IT, IT JUST, IT JUST DIDN'T WORK TO OUR BENEFIT. THERE'S ALSO A SEWER LINE ROLLING THROUGH THERE THAT, UH, WOULD'VE POSSIBLY BEEN BEEN COMPROMISED. SO WE DID LOOK AT TRYING TO HOW, HOW DOWN TO HOW ALL THAT FIT TOGETHER AND IT JUST SEEMED TO WORK BETTER THAT FROM A GRADE PERSPECTIVE, AS THE, UM, LEMME TAKE THAT RING OFF. AS THIS ROAD IS CLIMBING AT ABOUT THREE TO 4%, IT JUST MADE MORE SENSE TO PUT THIS BUILDING DOWN HERE 'CAUSE IT'S ON GRADE AGAIN. AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE TO BUILDING B, IT'S ON GRADE SO WE'RE NOT CUTTING AND FILLING A LOT. AND THEN WITH BUILDING C, WE ACTUALLY ARE, UM, HIGHER ON BENNETT WAY THAN WE ARE ON THE PARKING FOR BUILDING C. SO WE DO HAVE SOME STAIRS AND WHATNOT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S PRETTY MUCH ON GRADE. SO WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT HOW TO MAXIMIZE OR MINIMIZE OUR CUTS AND FILLS ON THE SITE. SO YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE OF THE ALIGNMENT WITH BENNETT WAY, YOU DON'T THINK YOU COULD BEND THE INGRESS INTO YOUR SITE A BIT TO SHIFT THE TOWN HOMES SOUTH, SOUTH? WELL, IT'S ONE OF THE, JUST BECAUSE ALL THESE MULTI-HOUSING PROJECTS SEEM TO COME UP AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL ISSUE AND MAXIMIZING OR OPTIMIZING SPACE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL ZONES AND, AND MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE A BENEFIT, AT LEAST IN MY MIND. WELL WE, WE RUN INTO, YOU KNOW, IT'S SORT OF IF WE PUSH THIS WAY, THEN WE RUN INTO, YOU KNOW, ISSUES OVER HERE. SO IT'S, IT'S THE YING AND YANG OF, OF HOW YOU DEVELOP THE SITE. UM, WE, WE, AT ONE POINT BENNETT WAY CAME STRAIGHTER THROUGH AND TRIED TO DO SOME MORE ARTICULATION IN THE ROAD. AGAIN, WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START LOOKING AT STORM WATER, WE START LOOKING AT GRADES. IT, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE WORKING ON A 2.8 ACRE SITE, SO THAT'S ALRIGHT. I, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM, BUT, BUT WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LOOK AT IT. BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE STUDIED IT QUITE A BIT. OKAY, THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO TAG ONTO THAT QUESTION. IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU'RE BUSTING THE HEIGHT LIMITATION IS BECAUSE YOU ARE CHOOSING TO PUT THE PARKING UNDERNEATH AND SHOULD YOU NOT PUT THE PARKING UNDERNEATH AND STILL HAVE TO MEET PARKING CODE, YOU WOULD THEN HAVE TO SPREAD THE PARKING ON SITE SO YOU'D HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS OPEN SPACE? THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, CODES HAVE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT, BUT THE INTENTION IS TO PROVIDE MORE OF A NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND PROVIDE MORE OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS MORE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP. SO YOU DONE ROB? YES. HARMONY. OH GO AHEAD. FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY QUESTION. YEAH, GO AHEAD. SORRY. IT'S MY FIRST MEETING AND SO I HAVE, I'M NOT QUITE SURE. SO MY [01:00:01] INITIAL THOUGHTS WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE PACKET, I WAS LIKE, THIS LOOKS LIKE A PARK CITY APARTMENT COMPLEX IDEA. AND BEING FROM UTAH, I WAS LIKE, HUH, I DO KNOW WHAT A DESIGN, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE VERY MUCH LIKE PARK CITY. SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW, I JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT LOOKED VERY SEDONA. LIKE WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE I WAS LIKE, OH, AS I LOOK OUT FROM THE MOUNTAINS ON THE TRAILS, YOU DON'T SEE AS MANY HOUSES 'CAUSE THEY DON'T STICK OUT WHERE I FEEL LIKE THE COLORING CHOICES AND I GUESS COLORING WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER TOO, OR IT JUST LOOKED A LITTLE BIT OUTTA PLACE TO ME AS FAR AS DESIGN. BUT I SEE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF STUCCO. I DUNNO, THOSE ARE JUST MY GENERAL THOUGHTS THAT I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT FEELS LIKE A PARK CITY COMPLEX. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A QUESTION OR IF IT, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE SOUTHWESTERN DESIGN, LIKE A TRUE SEDONA DESIGN. THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS ON THE EXTERIOR. OKAY, THANK YOU. MM-HMM . GO AHEAD. I HAVE THINGS, I HAVE LOTS. FIRST ONE'S CARRIE. MM-HMM SO THE ONLY OTHER TOWN HOME PROJECT WEAVES, AND I KNOW THIS IS AN ALL TOWN HOMES, BUT THE ONLY OTHER ONE WE'VE SEEN THEY CONDO WISE AND THEY'RE SELLING CORRECT. UH, NAVAJO LOFTS. IS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE THINKING OF? UH, YEP. OKAY. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'VE, I THINK THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES WE'VE SEEN. IS THERE ANOTHER PROJECT THAT HAS LIKE NON CONDOED? IS THERE ANYWHERE ELSE IN TOWN THAT HAS NON-CON DUPLEX OR QUADPLEXES OR TOWN HOMES? UH, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY. AND YOU DON'T, YOU CAN, I MEAN, I DON'T, YEAH. MOST THIS IS LEADING TO MY QUESTION OF, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THEIR LETTER OF INTENT, BUT IS THERE ROOM TO MAKE IT SO THESE AREN'T IZED IN BECAUSE I JUST, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONIS PROCESS EVEN THOUGH WE JUST DID IT. LIKE I UNDERSTAND IT CAN BE DONE AND IT CHANGES COMMITMENTS AND THEN, SO I'M JUST, I'M WONDERING HOW THAT PLAYS INTO THESE TOWN HOMES. UM, SO DOES ANY OF THAT MAKE SENSE? I DON'T KNOW IF I'M, SO IF I DON'T ANSWER YOUR ACTUAL QUESTION. YEAH. UM, SO YES, NAVAJO LOFTS DID GO THROUGH A CONDO PLOT. UM, BUT PRIOR TO THAT, AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THEY AGREED TO NOT DO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SO EVEN IF THEY ARE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED, THEY CANNOT BE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. UM, OTHERWISE IF THEY HAD NOT GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THEY WOULD'VE STAYED UNDER ONE OWNERSHIP AND BEEN RENTED OUT, WHICH IS GOT IT. SO THAT WAS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS THE CONIS FACTOR. YEAH. BUT WITH SHORT TERM PROHIBITED. YEAH. SO I MEAN THE, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THAT ONE DOES NOT PROHIBIT THE, YOU KNOW, CONIZATION MM-HMM . BUT PROHIBIT, I WROTE SHORT TERM RENTALS NO MATTER WHAT MM-HMM . OWNERSHIP FORM THAT TAKES, SO. OKAY. UM, I APPRECIATE THE WELL IN, IN THINKING ABOUT THIS AND THINKING ABOUT WHERE WE HAVE TOWN HOMES AND CONDOS AND THINGS. THEY'RE LIMITED IN TOWN AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT THIS HAS ONE, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE UNDERCOVER PARKING. UM, I THINK THAT, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT WAS THE HEIGHT THING. MM-HMM . WHAT WAS ULTIMATELY THE DECISION TO GIVE PEOPLE SHADED PARKING, WHICH IS AN INCREDIBLE AMENITY HERE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. AND TO KIND OF HIDE YOUR PARKING BECAUSE MASSIVE PARKING LOTS WITH OUR PARKING CODE, YOU END UP WITH A LOT OF PARKING CAN BE REALLY UNSIGHTLY. I THINK THIS IS A REALLY SMART DESIGN CHOICE AND I DO THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE, WE KNOW THAT THE HEIGHT YOU SAY MAKE ONE GIANT LOT FOR YOUR COMPLEX SOMEWHERE, YOU, YOU ASPHALT IT AND ALL THESE BUILDINGS COME INTO COMPLIANCE, BUT THEN YOU HAVE A MASSIVE, PROBABLY A QUARTER OF YOUR LOT, I WOULD GUESS THAT IS ASPHALT IN PARKING MM-HMM . TO MEET OUR CODE. SO I THINK THIS IS REALLY, REALLY TASTEFUL WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING THOSE PARKING DECISIONS. AND AS IF ANYONE WHO HAS EVER BEEN TO ANY OTHER MEETING, EVERYONE KNOWS I HATE PARKING. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS. THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S A GOOD SOLUTION AND PROVIDES AN AMENITY THAT IS OVERLOOKED. UM, YOU GUYS HAVE ANY BIKE PARKING PLANNED? UM, WE, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE STORAGE UNITS WILL PROVIDE, UM, SPACE FOR THE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE RESIDENTS TO PARK THEIR BIKES IN THERE. WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING TO RUN ELECTRICITY INTO THE STORAGE UNIT. SO IF THEY'RE RIDING E-BIKES, THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHARGE 'EM WITHOUT HAVING TO CARRY 'EM UP A FLIGHT OF STAIRS OR TWO TO GET 'EM TO AN OUTLET. AND WE DO HAVE BIKE PARKING IN THE COMMON AREA. GREAT. DOES EVERY UNIT HAVE STORAGE OR IS IT AN OPTIONAL FEATURE? EVERY APARTMENT DOES INDEED HAVE STORAGE ON GRADE AND THEN, OH, THAT'S HOW GOT IT. PUTTING IT TOGETHER. SO THE A DA UNITS AND MM-HMM . THE STORAGE UNITS ARE WHAT TOUCHES THE GROUND UNDER [01:05:01] THE APARTMENTS. GOT IT. AND THEN OF COURSE, ALL OF THE TOWN HOMES HAVE A ONE CAR, GARAGE. GARAGE. UM, IS THIS, I MEAN, PART, A COUPLE OF MY QUESTIONS ARE KIND OF ABOUT ONCE IT'S OPEN, SO IF YOU GUYS AREN'T THE PEOPLE TO ASK THAT QUESTION, BUT IS THIS GONNA BE A PET FRIENDLY, UM, COMPLEX AND ARE THERE PET, IS IT BEING TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THAT PUBLIC SPACE WHEN IT'S SHARED WITH KIDS AND, AND WASTE AND, 'CAUSE WE'VE HAD ANOTHER PROJECT WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS PLANNED FOR PETS IN THEIR, BASICALLY THE RETENTION AREA. AND THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF LIKE, DOG POOP AND RETENTION IS NOT ON OUR LIST OF THINGS TO DO. SO IS IT, DO YOU KNOW IF, IS THERE ANY PLANS TO ACCOMMODATE DOGS IN THIS PROPERTY? UH, THAT IS NOT A TOPIC THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED, BUT WE DO HAVE SEVERAL AREAS THAT COULD BE FENCED OFF AS DOG RUNS. AND INDEED, IF WE GO TO AN UNDERGROUND TANK FOR RETENTION, WE'D HAVE SURFACE THAT. MM-HMM . UH, COULD BE USED FOR THAT. THAT'S, YEAH. . UM, I MEAN, A LOT OF MINE IS KIND OF ABOUT DIGGA STUFF, RIGHT? SO I, I KIND OF WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE, THE 10 YEAR NUMBER WHY WE'RE THERE INSTEAD OF, I THINK US, THE ONES WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST HAVE OFTEN BEEN 30 MM-HMM . BECAUSE THAT'S THE DESIGNED LIFE OF A BUILDING. UM, SO I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE 10 YEAR NUMBER AND THEN THE 120% A MI NUMBER TO GIVE US SOME CONTEXT FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. UM, SO WHOEVER WOULD LIKE, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS IN THE DISCUSSION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. SO WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS KIND OF THOSE INCONGRUENCIES WITH OTHER PROJECTS WE'VE SEEN , I KNOW IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION THAN THE ARCHITECTURE QUESTIONS. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING, UH, MYSELF OR MY TEAM HAS BEEN ASKED. SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO ASK THAT OF THE APPLICANT AND OR CITY COUNCIL IN THEIR ONGOING NEGOTIATIONS. UH, THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WE WERE PREPARED TO SPEAK ON. UM, I DO WANNA MENTION ONE THING THAT I THOUGHT OF AFTER CHAIR WHEEL, UM, ASKED HER A QUESTION EARLIER, UM, ABOUT THE 80 VERSUS ONE 20 MM-HMM . UM, THE DIGGA WAS NOT, IT WAS, IT WAS NOT, IT WAS WRITTEN MORE WITH, I MEAN, I WAS NOT HERE, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WAS WRITTEN, UM, WITH LODGING ZONE CHANGES IN MIND MM-HMM . AND SO AS PEOPLE WERE BRINGING FORWARD, LIKE LARGER COMMERCIAL OR LODGING PROJECTS, WHAT WOULD WE BE LOOKING FOR IN AN AFFORDABLE COMPONENT OF THAT PROJECT? RIGHT. JUST A COMPONENT. YEAH. WHEREAS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS ALL HOUSING. AND SO THAT COULD BE ONE THING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AS YOU DISCUSS. OKAY. IF I CAN ADD TO THAT TOO, JUST THE CONCEPT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AT THE TIME, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WORKFORCE HOUSING IS A RELATIVELY NEW CONCEPT COMPARED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, IT'S LONG BEEN A STANDARD FOR 80% OR BELOW TO BE CONSIDERED AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT IT'S ONLY BEEN WITHIN THE LAST DECADE TO 15 YEARS THAT WE'VE STARTED PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT 80 TO ONE 20, UM, PERCENT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING. THAT'S YOUR TEACHERS, YOUR FIREFIGHTERS, ET CETERA, THAT ARE ALSO STRUGGLING FOR HOUSING. SO, UM, DON'T BE AFRAID OF THE ONE 20 NUMBER, UM, IS WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS, AND WE'LL BE DOING OUR, OUR HOUSING, UH, BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA SURPRISE ME WHEN IT SHOWS THAT WE HAVE JUST AS MUCH NEED IN THE WORKFORCE HOUSING COMPONENT AS WE DO FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT. YEAH. I MEAN, WE TALK ABOUT THAT A LOT, RIGHT? MM-HMM . THE MISSING MIDDLE. YEP. EXACTLY. SO, AND, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THERE CAN BE SOME CONFUSION SOMETIMES BETWEEN THE TERMS AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE. EXACTLY. SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. YOU BET. I THINK I, I APPRECIATE THAT. SURE. YEAH. I, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONTEXT FOR THE RATES OF A MI AND, AND HOUSING BEST PRACTICES. IT'S MOSTLY JUST, I ONLY HAVE WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY. UM, I, I MEAN, I'M JUST SO IMPRESSED WITH THE OPEN SPACE ON THIS. I, I KNOW HOW WE SEE A LOT OF PROJECTS. WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF HOUSING, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF COMMERCIAL. I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO MAINTAIN OPEN SPACE, UN PAVEMENT, OPEN SPACE. AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A REALLY LOVELY JOB, UM, IN MAKING THAT A FOCUS. AND I, AND I HOPE THAT YOU ALL CHOOSE AMENITIES THAT ARE FOCUSED ON FAMILIES AND, AND LOCALS TO MAKE THIS FEEL LIKE A PLACE THEY WOULD LIKE TO STAY. 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE A LOVELY OPTION. YOU HAVE A SAFE WAY TO WALK TO, YOU HAVE A TRANSIT STOP RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LIGHT. [01:10:02] UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. THANK YOU, SARAH. OKAY, GREAT. UH, I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS. UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. UM, I DO FEEL, I ALSO FEEL LIKE IT'S AN APPROPRIATE SORT OF INFILL PROJECT WITH WALKABILITY, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, EXCITING. AND WE DO, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY AFFORDABLE, BUT WE ARE HAVING THE MISSING MIDDLE AS WELL. AND I CAN SPEAK TO THAT PERSONALLY. WHEN MY SON WAS AT THE CHARTER SCHOOL, HE WENT THROUGH SIX SIXTH GRADE TEACHERS IN ONE YEAR BECAUSE PEOPLE COULD NOT FIND HOUSING FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE WORKFORCE. SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY AN ISSUE. UM, A FEW COMMENTS. SO IT'S FUNNY YOU BRING UP THE PET THING. SO THAT WAS SORT OF A COMMENT I HAD AS WELL, WONDERING IF THERE WAS AREAS OF OPPORTUNITY FOR A DOG PARK OR COMMUNITY GARDEN AND LIKE THAT ONE PROJECT WHERE THEY WANTED TO PUT IT IN THE DETENTION BASIN. I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE PEOPLE UNDER UNDERSTAND HOW BIG THAT DETENTION BASIN MAY OR MAY NOT BE. IT'S 50, WHAT IS IT, 50 CUBIC FEET PER THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OF HARDSCAPE AND ROOF, I BELIEVE. UM, AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. AND ALL I CAN DO IS SHARE MY EXPERIENCES. I USED TO LIVE IN A LONG-TERM RENTAL DEVELOPMENT HERE IN TOWN, UM, OFF OF 89 A ACROSS THE STREET FROM SAFEWAY. AND I, MY APARTMENT WAS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO A DETENTION BASIN. AND BECA, BECAUSE OF OUR EXISTING SOIL PROFILE HERE IN TOWN, WHICH TENDS TO BE THE SILTY CLAY OR BEDROCK, WHEN IT WOULD RAIN, THAT DETENTION BASIN WOULD SOMETIMES NOT DRAIN FOR, I'M NOT KIDDING, SIX WEEKS, WHICH CREATED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MOSQUITOES TO THE POINT WHERE I WAS UNABLE TO OPEN ANY OF MY WINDOWS FOR FEAR OF CONTRACTING A VECTOR-BORNE ILLNESS. NOT JOKING. EVERYONE IN THE COMPLEX FELT THE SAME WAY. AND SO WHENEVER I SEE BIG ONES LIKE THAT, I MEAN, I GET THEM ON RESIDENTIAL, BUT WHENEVER I SEE BIG ONES LIKE THAT, IT GIVES ME REAL PAUSE THAT IT COULD BE A POTENTIAL HEALTH HAZARD UNLESS IT'S REALLY ROBUSTLY DESIGNED WITH AN EMERGENCY OVERFLOW OR UNDER DRAIN SYSTEM PIPING, YOU KNOW, TO, ANYWAY. SO I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THAT BE USABLE, OPEN SPACE AND IMPLEMENTING AN UNDERGROUND DETENTION, YOU KNOW, CULVERT SYSTEM. UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD BE USABLE SPACE AND YOU COULD PUT A DOG PARK OR A COMMUNITY GARDEN, WHICH WOULD BE A WONDERFUL AMENITY FOR THE COMMUNITY. UM, SO THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THAT FROM EXPERIENCE. IT SAID THAT PUBLIC ART WASN'T REQUIRED, BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT TO SEE SOME, YOU KNOW, SEDONA IS VERY PROUD OF ITS ART AND ITS HISTORY, AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE PUBLIC ART IMPLEMENTED IF WE COULD. UM, SUSTAINABILITY, I WAS WONDERING, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE COMMENTS FROM OUR SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WERE ANY THOUGHTS TO, FOR THE PARKING THAT WE DO HAVE, HAVING SOLAR CARPORTS OR AN EV CHARGING STATION, OR, I KNOW THAT PER CODE WE HAVE TO OUTFIT OUR STRUCTURES WITH THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE EV BUT I WAS WONDERING MAYBE MORE IN THE PUBLIC SPACE ENVIRONMENT IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE THAT BIKE REPAIR STATION. THINGS THAT MAKE IT REALLY, REALLY, UM, WELCOMING. UH, LET'S SEE. ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A, I'M A, I'M A SUSTAINABILITY GIRL, SO I DON'T LIKE A LOT OF ASPHALT AND OTHER SUGGESTIONS. I WAS, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING IS IF THE MAIN THOROUGH WAY COULD BE ASPHALT, BUT PERHAPS THE PARKING SPACES COULD BE A DG OR SOME SORT OF PERMEABLE PAVER. AND THEN SINCE I NOTICED ON THE GRADING PLAN THAT THE STREETS ARE CROWNED, YOU ARE ACTUALLY DIRECTING DRAINAGE TO THOSE PARKING SPACES. SO IF THAT COULD BE PERMEABLE, THAT WOULD ALSO HELP WITH OUR RUNOFF QUANTITY. UM, LET'S SEE. I ALSO WAS HOPING FOR LIKE THE 30 YEAR, A LONGER TIMEFRAME FOR THAT AS WELL. SO INTERESTED IN HEARING ANSWERS AROUND THAT. AND WHEN I SAW THE BOARDS, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE COLORS AS WELL. AND I, YOU KNOW, I SPEND TIME IN PARK CITY, SO IT'S FUNNY, I HAD THE SAME THING. I WAS LIKE, OH, THAT LOOKS LIKE PARK CITY HOUSING. IT'S, WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL. I'M ACTUALLY GOING IN DECEMBER. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. UM, BUT, UH, SO JUST, I THINK THE COLORS WOULD BE GREAT, EVEN THOUGH I DO PREFER LIGHTER COVERS COLORS BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET THE HEAT ISLAND IMPACT. SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT. UM, LET'S SEE. ONE OF THE BOARDS YOU GUYS HAD TODAY AT THE SITE VISIT, I THOUGHT WAS REALLY FABULOUS. IT SHOWED THE VIEW FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF 89 A, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SHOW THE PUBLIC THAT, BECAUSE I THINK IT HELPED REALLY DEPICT, EVEN THOUGH YOU GUYS ARE BUSTING THE HEIGHT LIMITATIONS, IT SORT OF GAVE IT A REAL PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT THAT WILL REALLY LOOK LIKE IF ALCHEM MISA GOES IN THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN FRONT OF IT. SO IF YOU COULD SHOW THAT TO THE PUBLIC, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I WILL GET THERE. UM, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME, I'M JUST GONNA KEEP GOING AND RAMBLING. PLEASE. I, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME REQUESTS TO CONSIDER THE COCONINO SUSTAINABILITY BUILDING PROGRAM. I REVIEWED THAT TODAY. AND SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU GUYS WERE POTENTIALLY GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. AND THEN ALSO WANTED [01:15:01] TO KNOW IF YOU HAD HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, THE, UH, FRIENDS OF VERDE RIVER TO SEE IF YOU COULD PARTICIPATE IN PER PERHAPS THEIR CERTIFICATION PROCESS, WHICH ALSO GIVES GRANTS FOR WATER CONSERVATION AND REMOVAL OF INVASIVE PLANT SPECIES. AND I THINK LAST YEAR THEY GAVE AWAY ALMOST A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN GRANTS FOR PROJECTS THAT WILL BE MORE SUSTAINABLE AND ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND. RIVER FRIENDLY. RIVER FRIENDLY. RIVER FRIENDLY. YEAH. RIVER FRIENDLY LIVING, RIVER FRIENDLY LIVING PROGRAM. UM, LET'S SEE. UM, SO WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING, I THINK THE, THIS IS THE PICTURE THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'RE STANDING ACROSS THE STREET OF 89 A AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT COMMERCIAL PROJECT, THE RESIDENT PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL PROJECT IS BEHIND THAT. SO THAT SHOWS YOU HOW LITTLE YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE FROM THAT VIEW, WHICH RIGHT. THE, I MEAN, HELPED ME WHEN I SAW THAT. YEAH. THE, UH, BUILDINGS THAT ARE SHADED HERE ARE FROM THE PRIOR APPLICATION OF THE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT IN FRONT OF US. SO, AND I WAS STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS ELEVATED ABOVE THE STREET. AND EVEN THEN, THIS IS ALL YOU SEE OF OUR APARTMENTS, AND THE WILD IS RIGHT HERE. SO FROM THIS PARTICULAR VANTAGE POINT, VIRTUALLY NOT SEEN DUE TO THE, UH, VISIBILITY OF THAT FRONT, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS YET TO BE BUILT. AND THAT'S THE MAX HEIGHT BUILDING OF 38 FEET, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. SO THAT WAS HELPFUL FOR ME TODAY, SO THANK YOU. I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE SHOWING THAT. UM, LET'S SEE, OTHER THINGS LIKE, WELL, I GUESS IF YOU DO UNDERGROUND DETENTION, BUT I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, ROOF DOWN, DOWNSPOUT, DISCONNECTIONS TO BIOSWALES AS OPPOSED TO CONCENTRATED DRAINAGE. UM, AND THEN, YEAH, REALLY THE BIOSWALE, YOU MEAN HEALTH DEPARTMENTS 48 TO 72 HOUR DRAW DOWN TIME. SO THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE HEALTH OCU, YOU KNOW, THE OCCUPANTS, THE HEALTH OF THE OCCUPANTS. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS CONSISTENT TO ME WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN. AND, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I THINK THAT WE ARE REALLY LUCKY TO HAVE A FAMILY IN THE COMMUNITY THAT IS WILLING TO DO THIS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. UM, JUST KIND OF AS A SAD, A SIDEBAR, I HAPPENED TO WATCH ONE OF THE OWNERS SPEAK AT, UH, THE FIRST ANNUAL SEDONA SUMMIT AND WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH HER LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY AND HOW MUCH SHE REALLY CARES ABOUT SEDONA AND HOW SHE REALLY WANTS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND BE ABLE TO HAVE RETENTION OF PEOPLE AS WELL. SO, UM, I, I FEEL VERY POSITIVE ABOUT THIS. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR NOW. ANYBODY ELSE? AND MAYBE YOU JUST WANTED TO MISS SECOND OR THIRD THE IDEA OF, UH, FAMILY, MORE FAMILY ORIENTED IN THE GREEN SPACE. UM, I'VE ACTUALLY SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME AT THE, I AN APARTMENT COMPLEX HERE IN TOWN, AND IT'S WITH MY KIDS AND THEIR FRIENDS THERE. THE CHILDREN ARE JUST PLAYING ON THE ASPHALT. THE BIKES ARE ALL JUST HUGE LINES OF BIKES. SO MAYBE DO CONSIDER THAT THE WORKFORCE IS VERY FAMILY, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE, BUT VERY FAMILY ORIENTED WHERE THE KIDS, THERE'S A SWIMMING POOL AT THIS COMPLEX, BUT THERE'S NO GREEN SPACE. SO THE KIDS LITERALLY JUST TOOK OVER A SECTION OF ASPHALT. SO I, I DO LIKE SEEING ALL THE GREEN SPACE, AND I DO, I GUESS THE SECOND IDEA TOO, THE MOSQUITOES HERE ARE AWFUL. WHEN I MOVED HERE, I HAD NO IDEA. SO ANYTIME I SEE STANDING WATER, I'M LIKE, HOW DO I KILL EVERYTHING IN THAT WATER? YEAH, IT'S BAD. YEAH. IT'S AN ISSUE. SO YEAH, THOSE RETAIN, THAT WOULD BE HARD FOR KIDS TO PLAY OUTSIDE. WE CAN TAKE A GOOD HARD LOOK AT THE BURIED RETENTION THEN. OKAY. YEAH. AND I'LL JUST ADD TO YOUR COMMENTS THAT, UH, THE MIMI AND BEIL HAVE BEEN, UH, VERY SUPPORTIVE RIGHT FROM THE FIRST TIME I MET WITH HIM A COUPLE YEARS AGO ABOUT MAKING A, A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE AS OPPOSED TO A SPACE TO LIVE. YEAH. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE'LL OPEN IT SO THE PUBLIC, EVERYBODY HAS THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, AND I WILL, LET'S SEE. THE FIRST PERSON IS DAVID. AND, AND I, I APOLOGIZE IF I BUTCHER THE NAMES. UM, DAVID O'DONNELL, FOLLOWED BY TIM. PLEASE BE SURE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF WITH YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. SIR. HI, I AM DAVID O'DONNELL. I LIVE AT 2 0 5 SUNSET DRIVE. I ALSO OWN THE TWO LOTS DIRECTLY NORTH OF THIS ON 55 AND 45 S SHIMBERG ROAD. I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA FOR OVER 11 YEARS, AND I DO NOT REMEMBER A PROJECT QUITE LIKE THIS ONE. MAYBE THE CVS, IF ANYBODY ELSE REMEMBERS [01:20:01] LIVING IN TOWN FOR AS LONG AS I HAVE, I HAVE FRIENDS WHO OWN BARS, RESTAURANTS, STORES. IT'S NO SURPRISE WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS, BUT HAVING SUCH A CRISIS, WE SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BEND OR BREAK EXISTING CODES. EVERY BUILDING PROPOSED DOES NOT MEET MASSING, AND OUR NOW TALLER THAN OUR, EXCUSE ME, THAN OUR COW CODE ALLOWS. WHEN YOU VISIT THE SITE TODAY, AND YOU LOOK WEST AT THE WILD RESORT, THE OLD ROUGE, THEY KEPT TO CODE WHEN IT CAME TO HEIGHTS. EVEN ON THE NORTH END, THEY DUG DOWN TO BE ABLE TO FIT IT IN THE ENVELOPE HEIGHT TO STAY WITH OUR CITY CODE. WHILE I HAVE MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH MY NEIGHBORS ON GOODROW AND ON SHIMBERG, WE ARE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, THE NOISE, THE PEOPLE WANDERING THROUGH OUR QUIET DEAD END STREETS. WE WERE TOLD AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT THIS WAS INTENDED FOR YOUNG FAMILIES AND BRINGING CHILDREN BACK TO OUR SCHOOLS. WE WERE ALSO TOLD THAT THE REASON THEY WERE BUILDING UP OVER CITY CODE WAS THE TO PRESSURE OR TO PRESERVE GREEN SPACE. LOOKING CLOSELY AT THE DRAWINGS, I DO NOT SEE MUCH GREEN SPACE, A PLACE FOR CHILDREN TO PLAY. LIKE WE WERE TOLD AT THE MEETING, WHAT I SEE ARE HIGH END RENTALS WITH MANY FRILLS. THE REASON FOR BREAKING HIGH LIMITS IS FOR THE GARAGES. I DO REMEMBER BEING YOUNG WITH A WIFE AND TWO KIDS. I WAS ALSO LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO PUT A TO PUT A ROOF OVER MY HEAD FOR MY FAMILY'S HEAD. OUR AIR CONDITIONING WAS A WINDOW UNIT, AND IT WAS SUPPLIED BY ME. UH, THERE WERE NO GARAGES, DRIVEWAYS ASSIGNED PARKING, BUT I DIGRESS. I AM A BIT SHOCKED. I DON'T SEE THE AFFORDABLE PART AT ALL. WHEN THEY WENT TO COUNCIL, THEY SAID THEIR RENTS WOULD ONLY BE CONTROLLED FOR 10 YEARS. COUNCIL PUSHED FOR 30, YET THEY KEPT IT AT 10 YEARS. NOW THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A REZONING FROM RSS 10 TO HIGH DENSITY. AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH MY NEIGHBORS, WE DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ZONING CHANGE. WE DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF BREAKING OR CHANGING CITY CODES AS ALL BUILT. WE ALL BUILT OUR HOMES TO THE RULES. I STAND HERE TODAY AS A VOICE FOR SOME ON GOOD ROW AND ON SHIMBERG. I WILL CLOSE WITH THIS. THAT WAS SET AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. WHEN ASKED IF THE CITY DOES NOT GIVE THEM THE ZONING CHANGE, WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH THE LAND? AND LET ME QUOTE, MAYBE I WILL BUILD A BOWLING ALLEY. IF THAT IS THE CASE, WE WILL BE BACK HERE AGAIN FOR ZONING CHANGE TO COMMERCIAL. AND IF THAT HAPPENS, AT LEAST WE CAN CONTROL THE HOURS OF OPERATION, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE CVS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEP, TIM. AND UP NEXT IS GEORGE, TIM, THEN GEORGE, TIM, THEN GEORGE. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY, AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. THIS IS, UNFORTUNATELY, A DISAPPOINTINGLY TERRIBLE DESIGN PROPOSAL. APARTMENTS ARE ABOUT THE LAST THING WE NEED IN SEDONA. WE KNOW THEY'RE JUST A SCAM TO HELP KEEP WORKERS SUBSERVIENT, TWO MILLIONAIRE ELITES, AND FOR SOME OF THE FIGURES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT OUT THERE FOR THIS PROJECT, WITH A POSSIBLE TOTAL, TOTAL COST OF $40 MILLION FOR 50 UNITS, THAT'S ANOTHER $800,000 A UNIT PROJECT HERE IN SEDONA, WHICH AS WAS JUST POINTED OUT, IS INCREDIBLY LUXURIOUS AND WASTEFUL. $800,000 IS THE COST OF SUFFICIENT MATERIALS TO BUILD 40 SMALL, COMFORTABLE NORMAL HOMES FOR WORKERS. AND OF COURSE, THE DESIGN IS HIDEOUS, BUT NONE OF THESE FACTORS ACTUALLY MATTER BECAUSE THE COMMISSION MUST GRANT THE ZONE CHANGE. AS A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE, THE CONCEPT OF PROPERTY IS NOT ONE THAT HAS ANY EXISTENCE IN OBJECTIVE REALITY, IT'S CONCEPTUALIZATION RELIES UPON THE POSSIBILITY OF THERE BEING SUCH A THING AS AN EXCLUSIVE RIGHT, WHICH IS A LOGICAL IMPOSSIBILITY INSTEAD, IN PRACTICE, PROPERTY IS A MENTAL CONSTRUCT WHICH HUMANS CREATE TO HELP US HANDLE INTERACTIONS WITH OBJECTS IN DAY-TO-DAY LIFE. THIS MENTAL CONSTRUCT IS HANDLED BY MEANS OF A SOCIAL CONTRACT, WHICH IS ROOTED IN THE CONCEPT OF FAIRNESS AND RECIPROCITY. EACH PROPERTY OWNER BASICALLY AGREES THAT HIS NEIGHBORS WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTY, PROVIDED THAT HE ALSO HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT HE WANTS WITH HIS PROPERTY WITHOUT THEIR INTERFERENCE. IT'S A RECIPROCAL ARRANGEMENT. AS SOON AS ONE PROPERTY OWNER OR A GROUP OF PROPERTY OWNERS START TALKING ABOUT GETTING A RIGHT FOR THEMSELVES THAT ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T HAVE, OR MORE TO THE POINT TAKING AWAY A PROPERTY OWNER'S RIGHTS, THEY ARE DESTROYING THE RECIPROCITY AND FAIRNESS IN WHICH THE SOCIAL CONTRACT RESTS AND THROWING THE WHOLE THING OUT THE WINDOW. [01:25:01] AND THAT'S THE CASE BEFORE THE COMMISSION TONIGHT. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT OR A BAD PROJECT, OR WHETHER ANY OF US LIKE IT, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS ASKED FOR THE ZONE CHANGE. AND IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THE SOCIAL CONTRACT, THE COMMISSION MUST GRANT THE ZONE CHANGE, OR IT CAN TEAR UP THE SOCIAL CONTRACT AND WITH IT THE VALIDATION OF THE EXISTENCE OF PROPERTY FOR ALL OF THE COMMISSION'S OWN PROPERTIES AS WELL. THANK YOU, TIM. GEORGE, I AM GONNA TRY. SPEAK QUICKLY. UH, GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS GEORGE BRAM. WE LIVE AT 2 75. GOOD OLD LANE. UH, WE'VE OWNED OUR HOME SINCE 2014, AND WE'VE LIVED THERE FULL-TIME FOR NINE YEARS. I'M A PROFESSIONAL CIVIL ENGINEER AND HAVE PRACTICED MUNICIPAL ENGINEERING FOR NOT OVER BUT NEARLY 50 YEARS. IN ADDITION, I WAS A COMMISSIONER WITH P AND Z FOR OVER SIX YEARS ENDING EARLIER THIS YEAR. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME COMMENTS REGARDING GOOD ROSE COMMON OR GOOD ROSE, UH, HOUSING. NOT SURE WHAT IS, UNFORTUNATELY. I'VE HEARD MORE COMMENTS ABOUT DOGS TODAY THAN THE 25 PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON GOOD ROW LANE. GOOD ROWS OF SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD, APPROXIMATELY 25 DIVERSE HOMES ALONG GOOD ROW. UH, APPROXIMATELY HALF THOSE ARE FULL-TIME RESIDENTS. THEY'RE ALSO LONG-TERM RENTALS, MULTIPLE FAMILY HOMES, AND SEVEN OR EIGHT SHORT-TERM RENTALS. UH, GOOD ROW'S THE ONLY ACCESS TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S PUBLIC ROAD, AND THE CITY HAS REFUSED TO MAINTAIN OR IMPROVE THIS ROAD FOR DECADES. IT'S DANGEROUS WITH BLANK CURVES, DETERIORATING PAVEMENT, AND UNSAFE WIDTHS. ANY INCREASE IN TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD WILL BE DETRIMENTAL. I'M, I'M OPPOSED TO THE ZONING CHANGE FROM RS 10 TOWER AND THREE, UH, CHANGE IN DENSITY OF NEARLY FIVE TIMES. THE PROPOSED THREE STORY BUILDINGS ARE ALSO VERY DISTURBING. JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE THREE STORY BUILDING BEING CONSTRUCTED ON SHELBY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE HERE, EXCEPT SEVEN OR EIGHT BUILDINGS. AND THIS IS A NEXT TO OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, PROJECT SITE IS WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN AND IS SUBJECT TO FLOODING. I WENT WITNESS IT THREE OR FOUR TIMES A YEAR, OVERFLOW RIGHT DOWN THE ROADWAY THAT'S GONNA CURVE RIGHT TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, WATER FLOWING DOWN THE ROAD AND INTO THE WILD. THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC. LEFT HAND TURNS FROM GOOD ROAD TO 89 WILL BE DANGEROUS, WILL LIKELY RESULT IN ACCIDENTS. TRAFFIC BENNETT WAY WILL AFFECT OUR GOOD ROW HOMES. UH, MUCH, UH, TRAFFIC WILL GO DOWN BENNETT, TURN LEFT ON RODEO AND MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN DURING BUSY HOURS, UH, ONTO 89 A RIGHT NOW. WE SIT FOR TWO CYCLES AT A LIGHT DURING BUSY TIMES. THIS IS GONNA RESULT IN MORE BACKUPS FOR US, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO GO TO SAFEWAY OR FOR OTHER HOMES, UH, NORTH ON RODEO DRIVE. LASTLY, HOLY COW. UH, . OKAY. UH, I'VE GOTTA JUST SKIP TO MY CLOSING. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS SEVERELY IMPACTED WITH THE EXPANSION OF SARNA ROUGE THE WILD 10 YEARS AGO. DON'T HAPPEN AGAIN TODAY. GOODROW LANE AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN IGNORED BY THE CITY OF SERONA FOR YEARS. PLEASE DO NOT CONTINUE TO IGNORE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BY ENDORSING AND APPROVING THIS PROJECT 10 YEARS FROM NOW. IT MAY JUST BE ANOTHER LARGE SCALE SHORT TERM RENTAL PROJECT, AND THIS WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR PROPERTY VALUES AND OUR WAY OF LIFE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, GEORGE. NEXT UP IS DAVID KEY, FOLLOWED BY COLLEEN HOLLISTER. I'M GONNA DECLINE. ARE YOU? HELLO COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR SEEING, UH, THIS PROJECT TODAY. A WONDERFUL PROJECT. UH, MY NAME IS DAVID KEY. I'M HERE AS THE PRESIDENT, CEO AND REPRESENTATIVE OF THE GREATER SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. UM, THIS PROJECT IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY IN ALIGNMENT WITH MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING NEEDS AND HOUSING NEEDS IN GENERAL, FOLLOWS. THE COMMUNITY PLAN IS A GREAT INFILL PROJECT, AND IT, YOU KNOW, IS CLOSE TO EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, MULTIPLE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ACCURATELY CITED. UM, IT'S SUSTAINABLE. THE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP IS CLEAR, ESPECIALLY WITH THE THREE FLOORS. UM, YOU KNOW, THESE CONSIDERATIONS AND EXCEPTIONS ARE MADE BY YOU ALL WITH CONSIDERATION TO THE NEED. AND THE NEED IS CLEARLY IDENTIFIED AT MANY CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, MANY [01:30:01] HOUSING STUDIES, AND IT'S IN THE HANDS OF GREAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS. UM, SO WHO HAVE DONE GREAT WORK FOR OUR COMMUNITY, UH, AS A PART OF THE SEDONA CREEK EDUCATION FOUNDATION. I DON'T WANNA SKIP OVER THAT. SO JUST WANNA REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THIS IS IN THE HANDS OF PEOPLE WE KNOW WE LIKE AND WE TRUST. AND AGAIN, THIS REZONING ADDRESSES A COMMUNITY NEED IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, AND IS INCAPABLE HANDS OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WILL UNDOUBTEDLY CONTINUE THIS PROJECT WITH YOUR PERMISSION AND YOUR RECOMMENDATION IN A PROFESSIONAL AND EXPEDIENT MANNER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE. WAS IT CALLEN? HOLLISTER? I'M GONNA DECLINE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT STEP IS BRAD ANDREWS, FOLLOWED BY CHERYL. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BRAD ANDREWS. I'M A RESIDENT HERE IN SEDONA AT TWO 17 CA DE MONTE. AND I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. UM, IT APPEARS FROM THE PRESENTATION MADE, AND, AND I AM JUST NOW GETTING SOME OF THE INFORMATION AND THE DETAIL ABOUT THIS PROJECT. THAT THIS IS DESIGNED AS A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE AS A, TO FILL IN, AS YOU STATED, THE NEED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING AS OPPOSED TO JUST AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. UM, THIS PROJECT IS DESIGNED TO INVITE FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN THAT WILL ULTIMATELY PARTICIPATE IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HERE. AND WE ARE IN DIRE NEED OF THAT KIND OF HOUSING. AND THE QUALITY AND THE PLANNING THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS, I THINK IS EXCEPTIONAL. UM, I'M FAMILIAR WITH, UH, BASIL AND MIMI. I'M ON THE BOARD OF THE EDUCATION FOUNDATION, AND I KNOW WHAT KIND OF AN IMPACT THIS PROJECT CAN HAVE ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. A POSITIVE IMPACT, AND I FULLY SUPPORT THE PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BRAD. CHERYL, FOLLOWED BY JOE K. HELLO, MY NAME IS CHERYL BARON. I'M A RESIDENT IN UPTOWN ON JORDAN ROAD, 5 9 5 JORDAN ROAD. I HAVE TWO SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE AREA, AND I AM THE EX-OFFICIO PRESIDENT OF THE LODGING COUNCIL. SO MY COMMENTS TODAY ARE BASICALLY, UM, OUR LODGING INDUSTRY IN THIS COMMUNITY, WHICH IS, I THINK THE LARGEST INDUSTRY HERE NEEDS EMPLOYEES AND THEY WANNA LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WORK. YOU MAY HEAR OTHERWISE, BUT I HEAR IT FROM THE EMPLOYEES. I HAVE A QUICK STORY. UH, I HAVE TWO EMPLOYEES OF MY OWN AT MY OWN BED AND BREAKFAST. BOTH OF THEM ARE UNHOUSED. ONE LIVES IN A TRAILER, A FIFTH WHEEL, THREE KIDS, AND A MOM AND DAD IN A FIFTH WHEEL. THE OTHER ONE IS IN A VAN, A BIG VAN THAT SHE'S MAKING INTO A, UM, CAMPER VAN WITH WHATEVER MONEY SHE CAN COME UP WITH. SO RIGHT NOW SHE'S LIVING, WHEN IT'S COLD OUTSIDE, SHE'S LIVING IN A VAN WITH A SMALL HEATER, UM, TRYING TO STAY WARM BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIND PLACES TO LIVE. YES, THEY CAN PROBABLY GO TO COTTONWOOD, THEY CAN GO TO CAMP VERDE, BUT THEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE DRIVING ALL THE WAY UP HERE JUST TO GET TO WORK. DO YOU, DO YOU ALL WANNA DRIVE THAT FAR TO GET TO WORK EVERY DAY? WE NEED TO HAVE THIS KIND OF HOUSING HERE. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS DEED RESTRICTIONS ON IT SO THAT WE CANNOT ALLOW ANY MORE SHORT TERM RENTALS. THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF A GIVEN FOR ME. UM, BUT I WANT TO APPLAUD BASIL AND MIMI. I DON'T KNOW YOU, BUT I HOPE TO GET TO KNOW YOU. UM, WE, WE NEED THIS. AND IT'S A GREAT PROJECT. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU DOING THIS AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO DO IT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT APPEAR TO BE, UM, IN NEED OF WORKING OUT. IT'S NOT PERFECT. THE COLORS MIGHT NOT BE RIGHT. THE, THE, UM, HEIGHT OF IT MIGHT NOT BE RIGHT, BUT DON'T CANCEL IT OUT. KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT. KEEP WORKING THROUGH IT SO THAT THIS PROJECT GOES THROUGH, NO MATTER WHAT WE CAN DO. LET'S GET IT DONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHERYL. OKAY. JOE, FOLLOWED BY MARSHA. I BELIEVE IT'S FIRST BUS. OKAY, MOVING ON. MARSHA, [01:35:01] I'M NOT MARSHA MARSHA'S MY WIFE. AL, YOU'LL BE NEXT. MY NAME'S, UH, JEFFREY. FIRST LIVE ON, UH, TOURMALINE TRAIL HERE IN SEDONA. AND I HAVE A LETTER I'D LIKE TO READ INTO THE RECORD FOR TODAY FROM ONE OF OUR, UH, FRIENDS HERE WHO JUST COULDN'T MAKE IT TO THE MEETING. UH, MY NAME IS BRIAN LILLY. I'M A NINE YEAR FULL-TIME RESIDENT OF SEDONA. I OFFER MY STRONG SUPPORT OF THE GOODROW WORKFORCE, APARTMENT AND TOWN, TOWN HOME PROJECT. SEDONA HAS TALKED FOR YEARS ABOUT THE NEED FOR REAL ATTAINABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING. GOODROW IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF PROJECT THAT CAN HELP US MOVE FROM TALK TO ACTION. GOODROW IS INTENDED FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK IN SEDONA. THIS IS A WELL-BALANCED MIX OF UNIT SIZES THAT CAN SERVE SINGLE WORKERS, COUPLES, FAMILIES, AND PROFESSIONALS AT DIFFERENT STAGES OF THEIR CAREERS. THE AMENITIES ARE DESIGNED FOR LONG-TERM RESIDENTS TO CREATE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY. THE PROJECT DOES REQUEST THREE VARIANCES, A DENSITY VARIANCE, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT ALLOWS US TO GET MEANINGFUL WORKFORCE HOUSING NUMBERS ON A SITE THAT IS APPROPRIATELY LOCATED BEHIND AN EXISTING HOTEL AND NEAR JOBS AND SERVICES. IF WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT PROVIDING WORKFORCE HOUSING, WE HAVE TO ACCEPT APPROPRIATELY PLACED, WELL-DESIGNED DENSITY. NUMBER TWO, A SMALL ENCROACHMENT ON A PROPERTY LINE. THIS IS A MINOR, THIS IS MINOR IN PHYSICAL IMPACT, BUT IMPORTANT IN MAKING THE SITE PLANT FUNCTION WELL. THREE, A HEIGHT VARIANCE SO THAT THE PAR GARAGE PARKING CAN BE PLACED ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITH TWO FLOORS OF LIVING SPACE ABOVE. THIS PUTS CARS UNDERNEATH AND PRESERVES MORE USABLE OUTDOOR SPACE. LANDSCAPING AND QUALITY OF LIFE AT GROUND LEVEL, IT ALLOWS FOR MORE DENSITY WITHOUT SACRIFICING LIVABILITY IN AN ORAL OPEN SPACE. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS PROJECT REQUIRES NO PUBLIC FINANCING. THIS IS A PRIVATE INVESTMENT THAT ADVANCES ONE OF SEDONAS MOST CRITICAL NEEDS. THIS PROJECT IS CONSCIOUSLY STRUCTURED TO SUPPORT A STABLE LOCAL WORKFORCE, NOT TRANSIENT VISITORS. THE WAY GOOD ROW IS LAID OUT WITH A MIX OF UNIT SIZE AS QUALITY CONSTRUCTION AND GOOD AMENITIES MEANS IT CAN REMAIN VIABLE AND WELL-MAINTAINED. THIS LONG-TERM VIABILITY PROTECTS BOTH THE RESIDENTS AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. FROM A COMMUNITY STANDPOINT, THERE ARE MANY BENEFITS. IT HELPS LOCAL BUSINESSES ATTRACT AND RETAIN EMPLOYEES WHO CAN ACTUALLY LIVE IN TOWN. IT REDUCES LONG COMMUTES, WHICH IN TURN CAN REDUCE TRAFFIC. IT PLACES HOUSING IN A LOGICAL LOCATION BEHIND AN EXISTING HOTEL, NEAR SERVICES AND JOBS. IT DELIVERS WORKFORCE HOUSING WITHOUT ASKING THE CITY OR TAXPAYERS FOR SUBSIDIES. APPROVING THE REQUESTED VARIANCES IS NOT SIMPLY A TECHNICAL DECISION. IS IT A, IT IS A POLICY CHOICE THAT SAYS SEDONA IS WILLING TO SUPPORT WELL-DESIGNED, APPROPRIATE, LOCATED WORKFORCE HOUSING WHEN RESPONSIBLE LOCAL LOCAL OWNERS STEP UP TO PROVIDE. I RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU, YOU TO APPROVE THE NECESSARY VA VARIANCES FOR DENSITY, THE MINOR ENCROACHMENT, AND THE HEIGHT FOR THE GOODROW WORKFORCE, APARTMENT AND TOWN OWNED PROJECT. THIS IS A THOUGHTFUL, LOCALLY DRIVEN AND PRIVATELY FUNDED SOLUTION THAT ALIGNS WITH SEDONAS STATED GOALS AND SUPPORTS THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY WORK EVERY DAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. BRIAN. LILY. THANK YOU. AL DID HE LEAVE? OH, HE LEFT. OKAY. LAST IS TOM WANGER. READ MY LAST, MY HAND. WANGER. YES. HELLO. UH, MY NAME IS TOM SCHWANINGER. UM, I WAS ACTUALLY, UM, NOT PLANNING ON SPEAKING TONIGHT, BUT AFTER HEARING A COUPLE OF THE COMMENTS, I THOUGHT I PUT MY WORDS OUT THERE FOR WHATEVER THEY'RE WORTH. UM, I AM THE SUPERINTENDENT OF SEDONA OAK CREEK UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND BEING VERY CLOSE TO THIS WORKFORCE THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THE TEACHERS, AND IT'S NOT JUST TEACHERS, BUT THE TEACHERS THAT ARE LIVING HERE IN SEDONA, THAT WANT TO LIVE HERE IN SEDONA, THAT ARE, THAT HAVE BUILT THEIR CAREERS AND THEIR LIFE TOWARDS SERVING THE GREATER GOOD DESERVE NOT JUST A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD, BUT GREEN SPACE FOR THEIR KIDS TO PLAY IN, UM, COVERED PARKING TO PULL UP INTO THEIR HOME. IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST THEY, IT'S NOT JUST A A PLACE FOR THEM TO STAY MONTH TO MONTH, BUT A HOME FOR THEM TO RAISE THEIR FAMILY. THESE ARE PROFESSIONALS WHO HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIFE AND CONTINUE TO GIVE THEIR LIFE TO THEIR COMMUNITY. I HEARD SOME, WHAT THIS IS WHAT MADE ME WANT TO SPEAK IS, IS SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT CAME UP HERE, [01:40:01] UM, ALTHOUGH I RESPECT EVERYONE'S OPINION, THE OPINION WAS FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, WHAT I HEARD THEM TALKING ABOUT IS HOW IT AFFECTS THEM, HOW IT AFFECTS ME, ME, ME. WE HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS HERE AND MIMI AND BASIL, WHO ARE PUTTING THEIR OWN INVESTMENT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND NOT THINKING ABOUT ME, ME, ME. THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT THE BETTERMENT OF THIS COMMUNITY. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR TWO YEARS NOW. AND THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT, AND IT'S NOT JUST, IT'S NOT JUST IN SEDONA. THIS IS AS MANY PLACES AS WELL. WE SAY WE CARE ABOUT THINGS, BUT THEN WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, WE'RE NOT WILLING TO MAKE THAT INVESTMENT OF OURSELVES. AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT FINANCIAL, WE'RE NOT, MANY OF US ARE NOT. WILL WE, WE SAY ONE THING AND WE DO ANOTHER. THIS IS GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY IN THE SHORT TERM AND THE LONG TERM. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THIS COMMUNITY. THESE ARE FAMILIES THAT WORK IN THIS COMMUNITY. UM, AND IT'S JUST, I I I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I SOUND A LITTLE FRUSTRATED AT THIS POINT, BUT I, I GET VERY TIRED OF HEARING WE WANT THIS, BUT OVER THERE MM-HMM . WE WANT THIS, BUT NOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. THESE ARE HUMAN BEINGS THAT ARE GIVING ALL THAT THEY CAN FOR THEIR COMMUNITY AND TRYING TO UPLIFT US ALL. IT'S TIME THAT WE DO OUR PART TO UPLIFT THEM AS WELL. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M GONNA, UH, DO YOU GUYS WANNA TAKE A BREAK? DO YOU WANNA BRING IT BACK FOR QUESTIONS? DO YOU WANNA TAKE A BREAK? HOW'S EVERYBODY FEEL? OKAY. I'M GOOD. LET'S DO IT. OKAY. SO LET'S BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, QUESTIONS. OH, CAN YOU OFFICIALLY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? OH, SORRY. CLOSING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. LEAVE ANOTHER CARD. DID I MISS SOMEBODY? HE LEFT AL CAPELLO. HE LEFT. HE LEFT. YES. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE OKAY. BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. I'LL, I'LL MAKE SOME COMMENTS. UM, IT'S A, IT'S APPARENT TO ME THAT THE CITY DOES NEED MULTI-HOUSING. WHEN I TRAVEL, I SEE MULTI-HOUSING EVERYWHERE. UM, AND I DON'T SEE IT MUCH IN SEDONA. MM-HMM . SO I ASKED MYSELF, NOW THAT WE'VE LISTENED TO SEVERAL MULTI-HOUSING PROJECTS, WHERE WOULD AN IDEAL SITE FOR MULTI-HOUSING BE? WHERE WOULD IT BE SUPPORTED? AND THEN I THINK ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES IN SEDONA OF SITES THAT WOULD SUPPORT THAT. AND I FIND VERY FEW. AND SO I THINK OF, UH, WE WANT MULTI-HOUSING, BUT UH, NO RESIDENTIAL AREAS WANT IT NEAR THEM. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE. SO THEN I THINK ABOUT, OKAY, SO WHERE SHOULD IT BE? AND I, I LOOK AT THIS SITE AND I SUPPORT THIS SITE. IT HAS, IT'S ADJACENT TO THE MAIN ARTERIAL 89 A. YOU CAN GET INTO THE SITE OFF OF 89 A WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ANY RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. UH, IT'S ADJACENT TO, UH, UH, TO, UH, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS. SO ITS ZONING SEEMS TO, UH, BE SURROUNDED BY LIKE ZONINGS COMMERCIAL AND THAT. AND, UH, THE ACCESS OFF THE SITE, UH, DOES NOT GO THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL AREA. IT CONNECTS DIRECTLY TO BENIT, WHICH HAS ACCESS TO A, UH, CONTROLLED INTERSECTION. SO I LOOK AT ACCESS OFF THE SITE IN ONE WAY TO A CONTROLLED AND THEN DIRECTLY ON IT. AND THE TOPOGRAPHY, SHIELDS, THE MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, UH, I WAS SUPPORTED BECAUSE I, IT SEEMS TO BE A, A SITE THAT HAS THE RIGHT PARTS TO, UM, SUPPORT MULTI-HOUSING. THAT'S, THAT'S MY FEELINGS. WELL, WELL, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. UM, AND I'M MUCH IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT WAS JUST SAID WITH ONE EXCEPTION, MAYBE TWO. [01:45:01] AND ONE IS, IS THAT, UH, WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THE PACKET, IT APPEARED THAT, UH, BENNETT WAS GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH AND THERE WOULD BE AN EXIT THROUGH, UM, ALL THE WAY OVER TO, I'M FORGETTING THE NAME OF THE ROAD, BUT, UH, COFFEE POT. UM, AND IT APPEARS INSTEAD THAT ALL THE TRAFFIC, EXCEPT THOSE THAT ARE ABLE TO COME OUT FROM GOOD ROW, WHICH RUNS RIGHT INTO A RIGHT TURN LANE, UH, IS GONNA COME AND GO INTO RODEO ROAD. THERE'S ALREADY REAL TRAFFIC PROBLEMS THAT RODEO ROAD SOMETIMES WITH SAFEWAY THERE. UH, AND WITH THE HOTEL THERE, UH, PEOPLE ARE LINED UP SOMETIMES IN THE SAFEWAY PARKING LOT TRYING TO GET OUT BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE TWO HA TWO LANES. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE PROJECT ITSELF. I THINK YOU'VE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB. IT'S NOT A BAD LOCATION FOR THAT. UH, BUT IT'S A BAD LOCATION IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT CANNOT BE REMEDIED. AND I DON'T SEE ANY REMEDY AVAILABLE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE NOT ONLY IN GOODROW, BUT IN, UH, ALL THE DEVELOPMENT ABOVE. UH, UPON THAT COMES BECAUSE RODEO IS WHERE EVERYBODY COMES DOWN FROM THE UPPER AREAS. UM, FOR THAT REASON, UH, I HAVE REAL ISSUES WITH THE ZONING CHANGE BECAUSE WHAT WAS ALLOWED THERE NOW, WE WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T CREATE THE KIND OF TRAFFIC PROBLEMS IT WOULD IF YOU HAVE 51 UNITS. SO IF YOU HAD 10 OR LESS, UM, THAT WOULD BE, WE'D STILL BE AN ISSUE. DON'T GET ME WRONG, IT'D STILL BE AN ISSUE. WE ALREADY HAVE ISSUES. UH, I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW TO BALANCE THAT. AND SO I'M HAVING REAL PROBLEMS WITH, UH, WITH THE TRAFFIC ISSUE THAT SOME PEOPLE BROUGHT UP. I THINK THEY'RE REAL ISSUES. UH, YOU DON'T WANNA DESTROY THE QUALITY OF LIVING WHILE YOU'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIVING. SO THOSE ARE THE THOUGHTS THAT ARE I'M DEALING WITH. UM, I THINK THIS IS A, I THINK THIS IS THE BEST, MOST THOROUGHLY AND THOUGHTFULLY DONE MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT I HAVE SEEN SINCE BEING ON THE COMMISSION. I, I THINK, I WON'T GIVE MY MEMORY CREDENCE TO FIVE YEARS AGO, BUT RECENTLY FOR SURE. UM, I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT THESE DEVELOPERS ARE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THESE DEVELOPERS ALREADY HOUSE A HUGE AMOUNT OF OUR WORKFORCE. UM, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE IN HOUSING PROVIDED BY BASEL AND MIMI, THEY KNOW WHAT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WANT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY HOUSING THEM, UM, VERY QUIETLY. BUT WE NOTICE, AND SO I AGREE. I THINK YOUR EXPLANATION OF THE ZONES DOWN 89 A, THERE ARE VERY FEW PARCELS WE'RE GOING TO FIND WHERE THE ACCESS ISN'T GOING THROUGH RESIDENTIAL ALREADY OR SOME KIND OF OTHER HICCUP. I DO THINK THAT THIS PROJECT SHOULD A, WELL, I THINK THE COMMISSION, I WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO TALK TO CITY STAFF ABOUT GOOD ROAD MAINTENANCE MM-HMM . AND THE, UH, WHERE HANUKKAH, DO WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE ON THE SCHEDULE FOR MAINTENANCE ON THAT ROAD. THEY'RE RE ASPHALTING THAT WHOLE SIDE. GOOD ROAD. BECAUSE THERE, THERE IS A SCHEDULE HYPOTHETICALLY, SORRY, HANUKAH. I DID NOT MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT LIKE THAT. NO WORRIES. UM, YEAH, YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. GOODROW IS IN A FUN LITTLE LIMBO WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY NOT ON THE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE. IT WAS, WE TOOK IT OVER FROM THE COUNTY DECADES AGO, BUT WE NEVER STARTED MAINTAINING IT BECAUSE IT NEVER MET CITY STANDARDS. SO THAT WOULD BE A VERY LARGE SEPARATE FROM THIS PROJECT MEETING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY DISCUSS, BUT WOULD BE A QUITE LARGE PROJECT TO UNDERTAKE, ACTUALLY. OKAY. SO I GUESS WITH MY HOPEFUL RECOMMENDATION OF THIS PROJECT TO COUNCIL, I WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO LOOK AT BRINGING THIS ROAD UP TO CODE, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR ITS RESIDENTS. AND I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE THEM ABOUT MAKING THE CONNECTION ON BENNETT A SUPER PRIORITY, BECAUSE THE ONLY THING IN THE WAY OF THE CONNECTION WITH BENNETT IS A CITY BUILDING. AND SO THIS IS A MOMENT WHICH IS RARE IN OUR DEVELOPMENT OVERVIEW, WHERE THE CITY DOES ACTUALLY HAVE THE POWER TO REMEDY SOME OF THE CONCERNS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE PLAYER WHO IS ACTUALLY CAUSING THE PROBLEM. RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONNECTIONS OFF OF GOOD ROW, AND WE DON'T HAVE A BENNETT CONNECTION [01:50:02] AND GOOD ROW ISN'T MAINTAINED. SO THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY THIS DEVELOPER. LIKE I'M, I'M ALMOST SURE THIS DEVELOPER WOULD LOVE FOR THE CITY TO MAINTAIN GOOD ROW AS WELL. SO ALONG WITH MY, AS I KNOW COUNCIL IS WATCHING THIS RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE I DO THINK THIS IS A VERY THOUGHTFUL AND VERY GOOD PROJECT. UM, I HOPE THEY TAKE A SERIOUS CONCERN WITH THE FACT THAT GOODROW HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN AND THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVEN'T BEEN HEARD, AND THAT THERE IS A CONNECTION TO BE MADE, WHICH IS A PRIORITY IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND IN ALL OF OUR PLANS SITTING RIGHT THERE SO CLOSE WITH ONLY A CITY PROPERTY BETWEEN, I AM FINE WITH THE HEIGHT VARIANCE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THIS IS PROVIDING COVERED PARKING AND REDUCING THE PAVEMENT, UM, SWATHS. SO WHEN YOU'RE UP HIKING, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE REFLECTION OF A HUNDRED CARS ON THIS PROPERTY. LIKE YOU MAY IN MANY OTHER SITES. IN SEDONA, ITS BEST PRACTICES. I THINK IT'S A NO-BRAINER IN THIS SCENARIO TO ALLOW A HEIGHT VARIANCE. WE'RE NOT ALLOWING IT FOR MORE UNITS. WE'RE NOT ALLOWING IT FOR VAULTED CEILINGS. WE'RE NOT ALLOWING IT FOR WHATEVER THIS IS ABOUT BETTER AMENITIES FOR LOCAL PEOPLE AND PARKING. RIGHT. I DON'T WANNA SEE THE ASPHALT. YOU'RE HIDING IT. I APPRECIATE IT. SO I'M, I HOPE COUNSEL TAKES SERIOUS CONSIDERATION INTO ALLOWING THESE VARIANCES. UM, I DO LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THE JUSTIFICATION OVER 10 VERSUS MORE YEARS OF, UM, DEED RESTRICTION. BECAUSE THE ONE THING WE MUST PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY FROM IS THIS BECOMING A SHORT TERM RENTAL COMPLEX. UM, AND SO THAT, THAT WILL BE A PRIORITY, PRIORITY I THINK, FOR EVERYONE. AND COUNSEL CAN HEAR THAT ONE IF THAT'S NOT IN YOUR ALLEY WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE DIGA. UM, SO I SUPPORT THE VARIANCES REQUESTED. I'M GLAD COLORS ARE GONNA BE DEALT WITH AND WHATEVER ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, BUT THERE WILL STILL NEED TO BE A VARIANCE ON TOP OF THAT. I'M ALSO FINE WITH THE SETBACKS. I CAN SEE HOW IT WOULD BE NICE TO FLOP THINGS AROUND AND GIVE MORE SPACE, BUT I TRUST YOUR ARCHITECTURAL OPINION THAT WITH GRADE AND DRAINAGE THAT THIS IS THE BEST OPTION. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR THE PROJECT. UM, I'M HAPPY TO SEE A VERY THOUGHTFUL MULTI-FAMILY GOING IN A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE COULD CONSIDER NOT GETTING IN THEIR CAR TO GO TO WORK BECAUSE THERE'S TRANSIT TO GO TO THE STORE BECAUSE THEY CAN WALK FOR WITH SIDEWALKS. UM, I DO THINK I WANT THAT 10 FOOT PATH RIGHT AWAY THOUGH, , SO I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT AT THE BEGINNING ONLY BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD TO COME BACK AND HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE TO WORK LIKE THAT. AND A 10 FOOT PATH IS JUST A MUCH MORE LOVELY WAY TO INTERACT WITH SPACE AS A PEDESTRIAN. AND YOU WILL STILL GET RESIDENTS IN BUILDING C WALKING TO SAFEWAY ON THAT PATH. AND IT'LL JUST BE A NICER EXPERIENCE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON TO CUT IT TO FIVE FOR A FUTURE FIVE FOOT, ESPECIALLY IF THE CITY TAKES A PRIORITY AND MAKES THE CONNECTION SOONER. OKAY. AND IF THEY DON'T, PERHAPS WE CAN ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO PAINT A MURAL ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. I THINK SO. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING SOMEPLACE. I LIKE A WILEY COYOTE ARCHWAY. THAT'S THE, IS THAT THE PUBLIC ART YOU WANT IS . WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR, UM, INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY IN A REAL WAY. I, IT'S RARE WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE WITH A LOCAL DEVELOPER WHO REALLY IS IN TOUCH AND LIVES IN OUR COMMUNITY AND IT'S LOVELY. SO THANK YOU. OKAY, SO DITTO. I HAVE THE SAME EXACT FEELINGS, JUST SO IT'S REALLY CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY. A HUNDRED PERCENT OF ALL OF THE UNITS WILL BE BETWEEN BE BETWEEN THE 80 AND THE 120%. SO THOSE ARE THE DETAILS THAT WE DON'T HAVE YET. OKAY. SO YOU CAN SAY, WE WANT THAT. OKAY. I WANT THAT. YEAH. OKAY. UM, YOU KNOW, TRUE WORKFORCE HOUSING, UM, I THINK WHEN WE REVIEW PROJECTS LIKE THIS, WE TRY AND MAKE THE BEST DECISION WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AT THE TIME. AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE IS THAT WE NEED HOUSING, WE NEED DIVERSE HOUSING, NOT JUST AFFORDABLE, NOT JUST FOR THE WEALTHY, BUT FOR THE MISSING MIDDLE. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK A REALLY BIG IMPORTANT PART OF THE ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY OF A CITY IS THE ABILITY TO RETAIN ITS RESIDENTS. AND THAT MEANS EVERYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, OUR WORKFORCE TO OUR CHILDREN THAT GO OFF POTENTIALLY TO COLLEGE AND THEN CAN'T AFFORD TO COME BACK AND CONTRIBUTE TO OUR COMMUNITIES. AND IF WE HAVE THIS KIND OF A STRUCTURE, WE MIGHT SEE A MORE VIBRANT KALEIDOSCOPE COMMUNITY THAT'S REALLY, REALLY, UM, AMAZING. SO I FULLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. I FEEL VERY BLESSED THAT WE HAVE, UM, A FAMILY, DEVELOPERS, FAMILY, PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY [01:55:01] INVESTED IN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WELLBEING AND THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY. SO I FULLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. UM, AND I HOPE LIKE THE GOOD, THE GOOD ROW SITUATION WILL GET WORKED OUT AND CITY COUNCIL WILL LISTEN TO THAT. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. SO, UM, COMMISSIONER WALKER HASN'T HAD COMMENTS YET. OH, I APOLOGIZE. HARMONY. NO, IT'S FINE. IT'S STILL MY FIRST MEETING, SO I'M SOAKING IN. UM, I TOO SUPPORT THIS. I ACTUALLY LIVE VERY CLOSE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND I DID FIND MYSELF THINKING, WOULD I WANT THIS BY ME? AND THEN I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WANT CHILDREN NEAR ME. THERE ARE NO CHILDREN FOR MY CHILDREN TO HANG OUT WITH WITHIN MILES, IT FEELS LIKE. SO I, I SUPPORT THIS WITH ALSO SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS AND CON CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE. I SHARE THOSE AS WELL WHERE I WAS, I WAS EXCITED TO THINK, OH, I COULD BYPASS AND DRIVE THROUGH THERE TO GET TO BASHAS OR SOMETHING, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S A WALL THERE. BUT, UM, SO I SUPPORT THIS WITH THOSE CONCERNS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM ADDRESSED AS WELL. THANK YOU. UM, AND DONE, UM, SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD PUT IN THE STAFF REPORT ABOUT WHAT CITY COUNCIL WANTED SOME FEEDBACK ON, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET THE COMMISSION'S OPINION ON THOSE ITEMS. UH, THE HEIGHT REQUESTS, OR IS EVERYONE I'M OKAY BECAUSE EXACTLY WHAT COLLIE SAID. OKAY. IT'S DUE TO THE PARKING. ANYBODY HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT HEIGHT? DOES ANYONE HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE HEIGHTS? WELL, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE HEIGHT, BUT I, UM, I HAVE MORE CONCERN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. SO, UH, IF THE TRAFFIC CAN'T BE SOLVED, I CAN'T VOTE FOR IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO I THINK THAT'S, UH, HOPEFULLY THE COUNCIL WILL GET THAT WORKED OUT AND I, AND UM, I WOULDN'T HAVE THAT ISSUE. OKAY. ANYONE HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE MASSING? OKAY. AND THEN REGARDING THE 120% A MI AT 10 YEARS, ARE WE ALL THINKING THAT WE WANT THAT 10 YEARS LOOKED AT? YES. NOT LESS THAN 30. DO WE NEED TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON A NUMBER? YOU, UH, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS? UH, YOU CAN PUT IT IN YOUR MOTION, UM, AS A RECOMMENDATION ON AS, AS FAR AS THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD BE PLACED AND RECORDED IN THERE. SO YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT TO COUNCIL. YOU CAN ALSO JUST EVERYONE STATE THEIR OPINION AND COUNSEL, IT'LL BE NOTED AND, AND, UH, FORWARDED TO COUNSEL AS WELL BECAUSE WE WEREN'T GIVEN ANY JUSTIFICATION FOR THE 10. I HAVE A HARD TIME COMING UP WITH A NUMBER, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? MM-HMM . UM, MORE THAN 10 IS MY COMMENT TO THE COUNSEL. THAT BE HOPE. DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THE MORE, UM, WITH THE CHAIR'S PERMISSION? YOU CAN. YES. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND MY NAME IS BASIL MA AND I'M MARRIED TO MIMI MA . UM, TRUE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND ALL THIS. UM, I WANT TO CORRECT SOMETHING THAT I THINK, THINK IS BEING SAID HERE. THAT THE 120% OF A MI IS FOR 10 YEARS. I NEVER REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION. I REMEMBER THE A MI, I REMEMBER 120%. I THOUGHT THERE WAS A PERCENTAGE OF THE UNITS TO IT, BUT THAT'S OKAY. IT IS OUR INTENT THAT THE A MI THING WOULD BE FOR THE ENTIRE LIFE OF THE PROJECT. IT'S THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, UH, RESTRICTION THAT WAS DISCUSSED FOR 10 YEARS MM-HMM . SO I THINK SOMEHOW THE TWO THINGS GOT CROSSED OVER AND CONFUSED. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS YOU'RE DISCUSSING, BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO CONTINUE GOING ON THE A MI THING IS FOR 10 YEARS ONLY. TO ME IT WAS FOREVER. BUT, UM, WHATEVER'S IN THE DOCUMENTS. THANK YOU. SORRY. SORRY. THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT. THE DOCUMENTS ARE STATE THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING THAT THE PROJECT, I'M SORRY, THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP. THAT THE PROJECT WOULD BE TARGETED TOWARDS A HUNDRED PEOPLE MAKING 120% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME. AND AGAIN, THAT'S SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DISCUSSED. AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE UNITS, WHETHER IT'S 50% OF THE UNITS THAT'S NOT IN THE PROJECT DOCUMENTS, BUT THE SHORT TERM, THE RESTRICTION ON NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS WOULD BE FOR 10 YEARS, WHICH [02:00:01] UNDER THE CURRENT STATE LAW AT A 51 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX, WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE SHORT-TERM RENTED ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT INTERPRETATION OF OUR CITY ATTORNEY. BUT WITHOUT A PROHIBITION ON CONDO CONVERSION OR SOMETHING THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO A PROHIBITION ON CONDO WING CONDO? WHAT'S THE WORD YOU SAY? CONDO CONVERSION. CONDO CONVERSION. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CONDO CONVERSIONS. IT MEANS YOU COULD SELL EACH UNIT FOR ITSELF AND THE PEOPLE WHO OWNED IT COULD DO WHAT THEY WANTED WITH. SO YOU BASICALLY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, OUR INTENTION IS TO MAIN MAINTAIN CONTROL OF THE BUILDING. ALL RIGHT. YOU SELL A UNIT, YOU LOST CONTROL. RIGHT? SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD CONTROL IT AFTER YOU SELL IT THROUGH SOME AGREEMENT. HYPOTHE, HYPOTHETICALLY, WE'VE NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT SELLING IT AS CONDOS. WE DON'T WANNA SELL IT AS CONDO. WE WANNA CONTROL THE RENTALS. SO I GUESS WHAT MY QUESTION WAS WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS IS WHY IS THE SHORT TERM RENTAL DEED RESTRICTION ONLY 10 YEARS? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I AGREED TO . THAT'S THAT'S FAIR. I I GUESS I WAS LOOKING LIKE CARRIE MENTIONED, A LOT OF THESE TIMES WE LOOK AT A 30 YEAR RESTRICTION. 'CAUSE THAT'S THE LIFETIME OF A BUILDING. AND I, I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING, IS THIS AN OPEN TO, ARE YOU GUYS OPEN TO NEGOTIATING THAT? NOT WITH US, WITH COUNCIL. IT'S JUST HELPING US MAKE OUR I UNDERSTAND. I HAVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL. YES. OKAY. I, OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO WITH THAT, WOULD THE, WHAT I'M, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN ANYONE'S MOUTH, BUT I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE ALL OKAY WITH THE 120% BEING IN PERPETUITY. UM, BUT THE 10 YEARS, WHAT I'M HEARING, YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR LONGER OR A NO CONDO CONVERSION PROVISION. THAT FEELS GOOD. YES. I, I WOULD OPPOSE THAT. UM, I THINK 10 YEARS ENCUMBERING A PROJECT FOR 10 YEARS IS ENOUGH AND NO ONE KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AFTER THAT. SO I THINK A PERSON THAT SAYS I WILL MAKE THESE APARTMENTS AFFORDABLE TO WORKHOUSE TO WORKERS IS ADMIRABLE FOR 30 YEARS. AND TO FURTHER ENCUMBER THE PROJECT BY SAYING NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS AFTER 10 YEARS, I THINK IS NOT, NOT NEEDED. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN 10 YEARS. SO SHOULD WE, WE HAVE, IT SEEMS WE HAVE SEVERAL THINGS. WE HAVE HEIGHT, WE HAVE MASSING, WE HAVE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL THING, WE HAVE THIS 30 YEAR. OTHER ONE SHOULD, ARE WE ANTICIPATING TAKING A SEPARATE VOTE ON EVERY ONE OF THOSE AND JUST LETTING THE VOTE HAPPEN? OR I I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE. SO, BECAUSE I MIGHT, IF, IF, IF A COMMISSIONER OBJECTS TO ONE LITTLE PART OF THE BIGGER PICTURE, THEN THAT COMMISSIONER IS TORN WITH VOTING NO FOR THE WHOLE THING WHEN IT'S REALLY MM-HMM . ONE SMALL PART. RIGHT. UM, SO WHAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE HEIGHT AND MASSING, APART FROM WILL YOU GUYS WERE OKAY WITH THAT. UM, EVERYONE SEEMS OKAY WITH THE 120% A MI RESTRICTION AND THEN I SAW NODDING HEADS FROM CHAIR WHEEL COMMISSIONER GSKI AND COMMISSIONER WALKER REGARDING THE LONGER THAN 10 YEARS AND NO CONDO CONVERSION WHERE COMMISSIONER SMITH WAS. OKAY WITH 10 YEARS, I THINK I'M AN OR ON THAT STATEMENT. OKAY. LONGER THAN 10 YEARS OR PROHIBITION ON CONDO CONVERSION, BECAUSE I THINK I GET WHAT I WANT IN EITHER DIRECT IN, IN THAT WAY BECAUSE YOU CURRENT INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW DOESN'T ALLOW UNLESS WE CONDO CONVERT AND WE'RE GETTING LIKE NITTY GRITTY . SO CHAIR, COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, CARRIE WAS OUT LAST WEEK AND THE COURT OF APPEALS, UH, DISAGREED WITH THAT INTERPRETATION. THE CITY WILL LIKELY BE APPEALING THAT, UH, BUT CURRENTLY, UH, ANY UNIT, ANY DWELLING UNIT IS HOW THEY'RE INTERPRETING. IT CAN BE A SHORT TERM RENTAL REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER AND A DEVELOPMENT OR PARCEL OR ANYTHING. WELCOME BACK TO WORK. LAW CHANGED . OKAY. AND, AND SO THE SHORTER THE CONDOMINIUM CONVERSION DOES NOT, DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE. UM, OH, OKAY. YEAH, CURRENTLY IT DOESN'T MATTER. CURRENTLY. CURRENTLY, WELL, IT SEEMS TO ME THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS A WHOLE REASON WE HAVE THE HOUSING PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND IF WE DON'T, UH, TAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, UM, THESE DON'T TURN INTO SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THEN WE ONLY EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM. MM-HMM . OKAY. I WITHDRAW MY DESIRE TO LIMIT [02:05:01] CONDO CONVERSION. 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER IN THIS SCENARIO. JUST LIMIT LONGER THAN 10 YEARS FOR AIRBNB RESTRICTION. SHORT, SHORT TERM RENTAL. SORRY. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE THAT? SO SHE MM-HMM . WILL YOU PLAN ON PUTTING THESE IN CONDITIONS OF, OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION OR, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, I DON'T, THIS WILL ALL GET EXPRESSED TO COUNCIL. MM-HMM . AND COUNCIL WILL MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON THE FINAL TERMS. SO IT CAN JUST BE, UH, TO COMMISSIONER SMITH'S POINT. IT CAN JUST BE A, A VOTE ON APPROVING THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND THE ZONE CHANGE. ZONE CHANGE. YEAH. THE ZONE CHANGE. A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR THE ZONE CHANGE. YOU DON'T NEED TO GO GO INTO EACH DETAIL. UM, UH, AND THEN IF YOU VOTE AGAINST, YOU CAN EX YOU CAN EXPRESS THE COUNCIL WHY AS WELL? YEAH, I'D LIKE, COULD THOSE BE SEPARATE VOTES THOUGH? THEY THEY WILL BE SEPARATE VOTES. YES. THOSE TWO HAVE TO BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY. TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS IN YOUR PACKET? YES. DOES ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION OR IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYONE WANTS COUNCIL TO KNOW? AND YEAH, THE VAST MAJORITY OF ALL OF THAT REALLY BELONGS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND SO COUNCIL DID WANT YOUR INPUT, SO, UH, APPRECIATE YOU GIVING THAT. AND THAT'LL ALL BE RELAYED TO COUNSEL AND THEY'LL BE, IF THEY'RE NOT ALL WATCHING, THEY WILL WILL BE WATCHING THIS MEETING. OKAY. I'D MAKE A MOTION, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE MAKING A MOTION ABOUT. I'M CONFUSED. OKAY. SO LET'S, LET'S, LET'S DO THE ZONE CHANGE. FIRST PAGE 19 OF YOUR PACKET HAS THE SAMPLE MOTIONS. IS IT IN THE PAPER YOU HAVE? NO, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR ZONE APPROVAL. YOU GOTTA DO THE WHOLE THING. YOU GOTTA READ THE PAGE. 19. RIGHT? I MOVE TO RECOMMEND TO THE SEDONA CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ZONING REQUEST AS SET FORTH IN CASE NUMBER PZ 24 DASH 0 0 0 11 ZC, GOOD HOUSING BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, CONSISTENCY WITH THE SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN. PLAN SOLDIERS PASS CFA PLAN, TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, GO SEDONA PATHWAYS PLAN, CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROVAL AS SPECIFIED IN LDC SECTIONS 8.3 AND 8.6. AND SATISFACTION OF THE ZONE CHANGE FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS IS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ACCOMPANYING EXHIBITS WHICH STAFF REPORT AND EXHIBITS ARE HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. I SECOND THAT. MOTION DISCUSSION. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. VOTE. VOTE. ALL THOSE ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? NO. AND DO YOU WANNA, DOES WILL NEED TO BRIEFLY STATE YOUR REASONS FOR YOUR NO VOTE. YOU DIDN'T STATE YOURS, . YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T SAY YES OR NO. SO WHY DO I HAVE TO? YOU DON'T HAVE TO. OKAY. COMMISSIONER HURST, BUT YOU, YOU CAN'T, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO DO SO. YEAH, WELL, TRAFFIC, UH, THE TRAFFIC ISSUE, THE FACT THAT BENNETT, I DO NOT, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT IT'S GONNA GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH. IF THERE WAS ANOTHER OUTLET OR INLET, UH, IT WOULD MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. UM, SO I JUST CAN'T JUSTIFY IT AT THIS POINT. I DON'T THINK IT'S, UH, APPROPRIATE. OKAY. MOVING ON TO A MOTION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER PZ 24 DASH 0 0 0 1 1 DEVELOPMENT GOODROW HOUSING BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH ALL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS OF LDC, SECTION 8.3 AND 8.4, AND SATISFACTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ACCOMPANYING ACCOMPANYING EXHIBITS WHICH STAFF REPORT AND EXHIBITS ARE HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE ATTACHED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. I SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COUNSEL. OH, I'M SORRY. CAN I VOTE AGAINST THE ZONING AND VOTE FOR THIS? YES, YOU CAN. OKAY. IN THIS CASE, I'LL VOTE FOR IT. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT ITEM IS CLOSED. NUMBER SEVEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [02:10:01] THANK YOU. NUMBER SEVEN, PRESENTATION TRAINING FROM CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING OPEN MEETING LAW. CONFLICTS OF INTEREST IN THE ROLE OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UNLESS PEOPLE WANNA TAKE A BREAK. DOES ANYBODY WANNA TAKE A BREAK? OH, LET'S KEEP GOING. OKAY. BREAK. I LIKE WE'RE TAKING A BREAK. OKAY. BREAK. WE'LL BE BACK IN 10 TO 15 MINUTES. BOY, THIS IS ROUGH . OKAY. THAT'S THE EXIT START. CAN EVERYBODY PLEASE EXIT SO WE CAN RESTART? THANK YOU. KURT. GONE BETWEEN EIGHT AND FIVE. SHE'S LITERALLY BETWEEN, WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SAY, NOT IN MY BACKYARD. SORRY. ALL THEY'RE, WE ARE BACK IN SESSION TIME. OKAY. READY? NOW, CAN I CALL [7. Presentation/Training from City Attorney regarding Open Meeting Law, Conflicts of Interest, and the role of the Planning & Zoning Commission] ITEM SEVEN? YES. OKAY. ITEM SEVEN, PRESENTATION TRAINING FROM CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING OPEN MEETING LAW, CONFLICTS OF INTEREST IN THE ROLE OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. KURT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. WE'RE GONNA GRAB THAT DOOR, APPARENTLY. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, THE PRESENTATIONS ON THE TWO SCREENS, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE THAT ONE'S LOOKS A LITTLE DARK UP THERE. UM, I WANTED TO FIRST GO OVER, UH, THE ROLES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND THEN I WILL TOUCH ON OPEN MEETING LAW AND THE, UM, CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND, AND SOME OTHER PARTS OF THAT YOU'LL BE, UM, AND WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS TRAINING IN SINCE 2023, SO IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS, UH, SINCE WE DID THIS. SO THIS WILL BE NEW FOR SOME OF YOU, ALTHOUGH YOU DO GET SOME TRAINING FROM P OR, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF WHEN WE START. SO, UH, THE FIRST PART OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, OF COURSE, IS THE PLANNING PART. UH, AND SO SOMETIMES THIS GETS OVERLOOKED. IT'S NOT AS, UM, AS OFTEN, UH, CONTROVERSIAL. YOU USUALLY DON'T GET AS MANY PEOPLE OUT, I THINK, FOR SOME OF THE PLANNING, UH, DOCUMENTS. UH, BUT THE, UH, IN THE INITIAL ORDINANCE, ESTABLISHING THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UH, COUNCIL, UH, GAVE THE PLANNING PART TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS, THAT'S, HENCE THAT'S WHY IT'S IN YOUR NAME. UM, AND SO THIS IS THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH IS THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN, AND THEN IT'S ALSO THE COMMUNITY FACILITY, UH, OR THE, UH, COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA C CFAS. UM, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN ON PAUSE FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT THERE'S, UM, I THINK CAN BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING THOSE UP. AGAIN, UH, COUNCIL'S ALSO MORE INFORMALLY BEEN HAVING P AND Z REVIEW ALL THE PLANS FOR THE, UH, CULTURAL PARK OR THE WESTERN GATEWAY AND WHAT MIGHT END UP OUT THERE. SO, AND VERY IMPORTANT PART, THE COMMUNITY PLAN WAS JUST UPDATED, UH, THIS LAST YEAR. SO WE HAVE A LITTLE WHILE BEFORE THAT, BUT THE COMMUNITY FACILITY OR THE COMMUNITY FOCUS AREAS CAN BE, UH, UPDATED AT, AT ANY TIME AS THEY'RE NEEDED. UM, THERE CAN ALSO BE AMENDMENTS TO THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, THAT WILL, THAT CAN COME THROUGH IN BETWEEN THE 10 YEAR UPDATES. SO THAT'S THE FIRST ROLE OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, COMMISSION. AND THEN THE SECOND PART IS ZONING. UM, ZONING, UM, IN THE TRADITIONAL VIEW PROTECTS THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF RESIDENTS BY SEPARATING INCOMPATIBLE, UH, LAND USES. SO WE HAVE THAT DEBATE HERE TONIGHT, UH, WHERE YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY GOING TO MULTIFAMILY, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE SEPARATION? HOW CLOSE SHOULD THEY BE? WHERE, WHERE SHOULD THEY BE PLACED? AND THAT'S WHERE, UM, UH, COUNCIL AND P AND Z GETS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL ON, ON WHAT THE ZONING SHOULD, SHOULD BE. UM, EVERYONE, EVERY PROPERTY IN THE CITY HAS, UH, EXISTING ZONING. UH, AND, UH, SO EVERYONE HAS RIGHTS TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR PROPERTY CURRENTLY. UH, UH, BUT IF THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY CURRENTLY CAN DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY, THEY CAN ASK THE COUNCIL FOR A ZONE CHANGE. UH, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THE ASPECTS THAT ARE CONSIDERED IN THAT, THAT ARE ALWAYS KIND OF LYING IN THE BACKGROUND THAT DON'T ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, GET, GET, UM, DISCUSSED VERY MUCH. UM, BUT FIRST, WHEN THERE'S THE, UH, UH, UH, ANYTIME THERE'S A APPLICATION FOR A REZONE, THERE'S THESE COMPETING OBJECTIVES, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE, UM, THE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, MANY OWNERS, DEVELOPERS, AND ARCHITECTS. THEY LOVE TO BUILD ALL TYPES OF COOL THINGS. UM, BUT IT, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT GETS, UH, THE COMPETING OBJECTIVE. THERE IS THE CITY'S, UM, POWER TO REGULATE FOR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS AESTHETICS. AND THEN, UM, THE SMALL TOWN CHARACTER OF SEDONA. SO YOU'RE GONNA, THOSE THINGS OFTEN CONFLICT. UM, SO THE, THE ROLE OF THE P AND Z COMMISSION, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING ISSUES IS TO WEIGH AND BALANCE THOSE AND, AND THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL, UH, JUST LIKE WHAT WE HAD HAPPEN TONIGHT. UM, AND THEN, UH, FOR THE NEWER COMMISSIONERS, HAPPY TO SHARE THIS. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UM, UH, SOME OF THE, [02:15:01] YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONERS I'VE BEEN ON FOR A WHILE, THEY'LL, THEY'LL EMAIL ME OR CALL ME OR STOP BY EVEN IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS OPEN, UH, FOR THAT. UM, SO, UM, HAPPY TO ALWAYS MAKE TIME IF YOU EVER HAVE ANY ISSUES OR QUESTIONS ON A, ON ANYTHING THAT COMES UP OR YOUR ROLE AS A P AND Z COMMISSIONER. UH, SO THE ACTUAL, WHAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS IS FOUND IN SECTION 8.9. IT SAYS, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS APPOINTED BY COUNCIL, AND YOU GET TO DO THE DEC THE MAKE THE DECISIONS AS OUTLINED IN TABLE 8.1. UH, SO THAT'S YOUR ACTUAL FUNCTIONS YOU CAN LOOK AT IN THE CODE. UH, AND HERE IS WHAT IT SAYS IN 8.1. I SLASHED OUT 'CAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED YET. I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN UPDATED YET ON THE ACTUAL, OH, IT WON'T BE UPDATED TILL THE END OF DECEMBER. OH, WE WAITED TILL DECEMBER THROUGH. YEAH. SO, UH, ON JANUARY ONE, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WILL BE TAKEN AWAY. SO CURRENTLY YOU CAN SEE, UM, LET'S SEE, MY, OH, LEMME SEE MY POINTER. NO. ALRIGHT. NO. UM, THE, YOU CAN LOOK UNDER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED THERE. AND YOU USED TO DO, UH, HERE APPEALS, UH, FROM MINOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS AND THEN MAKE DECISIONS IN A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. LIKE THIS ONE TONIGHT WOULD'VE BEEN, IS A MAJOR ONE. UH, BUT AS OF THE END OF THIS YEAR, YOU'LL NO LONGER DO DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS. UM, AND THEN ON THE NEXT PART OF THE TABLE, SO THIS IS JUST A CONTINUATION, UH, PRELIMINARY PLATS. UM, WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS REVERSION TO ACREAGE INCLUDED IN, WE LEFT IT OR WE TOOK IT OUT FOR OUT. OKAY? SO, I DON'T KNOW, HAS THAT EVER EVEN COME UP A REVERSION TO ACREAGE FROM A SUBDIVISION? WE'VE DONE ONE IN CARRIE'S TIME, SO THAT'S NOT A COMMON ONE. IF SOMEONE, IF A, IF PROPERTY'S BEEN SUBDIVIDED AND THEN SOME, AND THEY DIDN'T DEVELOP IT, AND SOMEONE SAYS, NEVERMIND, I DON'T WANNA DO THE SUBDIVISION, CAN I JUST REVERT IT BACK TO THE BIG PARCEL, UM, BEFORE THE SUBDIVISION, BEFORE THE PLAT. UH, SO THAT'S REVERSION TO ACREAGE. SO, AND CARRIE'S, UH, TIME HERE, THAT'S COME UP ONE TIME. SO THAT ALSO WILL BE, UM, NO LONGER, UH, REVIEWED. UM, AND, UH, AND A RECOMMENDATION GIVEN BY, BY P AND Z TO CITY COUNCIL. SO, AND THIS, THIS ALSO TAKES IT AWAY FROM, UH, CITY COUNCIL AS WELL. SO BOTH OF THOSE, UM, CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS AS YOU GO THROUGH? OF COURSE. YEAH, PLEASE. SO, UH, IF WE DON'T DO DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND WE HAVE A MAJOR ZONING REQUEST, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY BRING TO US AN EMPTY PARCEL WITH NO DEVELOPMENT, NO, NOTHING SHOWN, AND WE'RE ONLY APPROVING A ZONING CHANGE? NO. SO, UM, THAT, THAT IS THE OPPORTUNITY AS PART OF A REZONE, UH, SO A ZONING, UH, REQUEST LIKE THAT, YOU COULD STILL, UM, DENY IT WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE BUILT, WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA BE BUILT THERE. SO THE ACTUAL REVIEW OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WOULD BE DONE BY STAFF, BUT THERE'S NOTHING, UH, THAT REQUIRES, UH, YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, NOT ONLY WAY IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT REQUIRES THE CITY TO REZONE PROPERTY, RIGHT? THE ONE CAN TWIST THE CITY'S ARM ENOUGH AND SAY, YOU HAVE TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY. THEY HAVE TO BE PERSUASIVE IN A REZONING. SO WHAT I MEANT WAS, WHEN WE DO A REZONING, WELL, WE STILL SEE A LAYOUT OF THE SITE. SO IT DEPENDS, RIGHT? SO A A DEVELOPER, IT, IT'S UP TO THE DEVELOPER. A DEVELOPER CAN PROPOSE A REZONE ON, UM, WITHOUT A PLAN, RIGHT? AND, AND, UM, P AND Z JUST SAW THAT, UM, WITH THE RIG RIGBY MAN, WE WANNA REZONE, WE WANT TO REZONE THIS TO MULTI-FAMILY. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY SET PLANS RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN. WE KNOW YOU NEED MORE MULTIFAMILY, AND SO HERE'S OUR, HERE'S OUR, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND SO YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT, UM, OF APPROVAL OR DENIAL. UM, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A LOT EASIER TO APPROVE A REZONE IF YOU KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE BUILT THERE, AND IT'S TIED TO THAT. MM-HMM . SO GENERALLY THE VAST MAJORITY OF REZONINGS ARE GONNA COME FORWARD WITH A PLAN THAT'S ALREADY BEEN REVIEWED BY THE BY STAFF GOING FORWARD. UM, AND THEY'LL HAVE IDEALLY WORKED OUT ALL THE ISSUES IN THAT. AND THEN YOU, UM, WE'LL HAVE A EASIER TIME OF, OF APPROVING OR DENYING THE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THE RESO. DID THAT ACTUALLY GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR, UH, ON TUESDAY? IT DID. OH, IT'S COMING, COMING TO IT COMING TUESDAY. YEAH. SORRY, THIS COMING TUESDAY. SO THEY JUST SEE THAT WE DENIED IT AND THEY WILL SEE, UH, YES, A SIX TO ONE VOTE, I BELIEVE. YEAH. WHAT IT WAS, THEY WILL SEE THAT THEY, I MEAN, THEY ALMOST ALWAYS WATCH THE PZ COMMISSION HEARINGS AND MEETINGS LIKE THIS IF THEY DON'T WATCH IT LIVE. IS THIS BEING RECORDED FOR THEM TO WATCH THIS TRAINING? YES. OKAY. I WON'T SAY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. , IF THEY DON'T WATCH IT LIVE, IT'LL BE, UH, THEY WATCH IT LATER AND IT IS RECORDED. THIS MEETING RIGHT HERE? MM-HMM . YES. YEAH. YEAH, THEY COULD BE WATCHING RIGHT NOW. [02:20:03] ALRIGHT. UM, IN JUST BRIEFLY, UM, THE STAFF'S ROLE IN THIS PROCESS, UH, SO YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, UH, WHICH IS NOW MR. ISLANDER OVER THERE. AND SO WE'RE GRATEFUL TO HAVE HIM HERE. UM, AND SO IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, HE HAS HIS OUTLINES HERE, AND I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE. UM, SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER IN ZONING, UM, THAT COME UP. UH, THERE'S A LOT OF LITIGATION, UH, INVOLVING, UH, DEVELOPERS AND WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO PUT ON THEIR PROPERTIES AND CITIES AND COUNTIES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TOWNSHIPS AND WHAT THEY, UH, DON'T WANT AND WHAT'S ALLOWED AND NOT ALLOWED. SO A LOT OF THINGS END UP IN LITIGATION. AND HERE'S SOME OF THE, UM, THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND. UH, PRIMARILY WHEN, UH, WELL, ANYTIME YOU'RE REVIEWING ANYTHING THAT COMES BEFORE YOU, WHETHER IT'S, UM, A REZONE OR, UM, CONDITIONAL USE PER PERMIT, UM, WHATEVER YOU HAPPEN TO BE REVIEWING. UH, SO, UH, FAIRNESS. SO WE WANNA APPLY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE EQUALLY, UH, TO ALL APPLICANTS, UH, NOT TREAT ONE APPLICANT DIFFERENT THAN ANOTHER, UM, DUE PROCESS, WHICH IS THE NOTICE AND OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. UM, STAFF GENERALLY TAKES CARE OF THAT. UM, BUT IF FOR ANY REASON, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS MET, UM, YOU SHOULD ALWAYS MAKE SURE, UM, THAT STAFF'S DOING IT AND THAT WE'RE HERE AND PEOPLE ARE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THEIR THREE MINUTES, IF THAT'S, UH, IF THEY'RE HERE TO, TO, UH, DISCUSS ON THAT. UH, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE PROPORTIONALITY OF REQUIREMENTS. SO THIS IS THE TWO CASES. UM, AND I'LL GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON NOLAN AND DOLAN THAT CAME OUT ABOUT 10 YEARS APART, THAT TALK ABOUT THE PROPORTIONALITY AND THE REASONABLE NEXUS OF CITY REQUIREMENTS. SO, UM, BACK IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES, UH, MORE AND MORE CITIES AND COUNTIES AND, UM, TOWNS WERE REQUIRING IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. UH, SO IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD ON THIS ROAD, YOU GOTTA WIDEN THE ROAD OR PUT IN A SIDEWALK OR PUT IN A TURN LANE. UM, AND SO, AND THEN DEVELOPERS WERE AT TIMES FEELING LIKE THEY WERE HAVING TO BUILD A LOT MORE THAN THEY NEEDED TO, AND SO THEY PUSHED BACK. AND SO WE GOT A SERIES OF TESTS, UM, CASES THAT CAN, THAT STILL CONTROL THAT PROCESS TO THIS DAY. UM, UH, KEEPING IT OPEN AND THEN, UH, WATCHING, UM, OUT FOR THE CITY'S POLICE POWER. UM, HERE'S A FEW OF THOSE KEY CONSTITUTIONAL CONCEPTS, UM, THAT COME UP. UH, UH, TAKINGS CLAIMS. UM, ANYTIME A PROPERTY IS LEFT WITHOUT VALUE, THE, THE OWNER COULD CLAIM THAT THE CITY HAS TAKEN IT, RIGHT? OR IF THE CITY DEMANDS THAT YOU, YOU GIVE UP A PORTION OF YOUR PROPERTY FOR THAT RIGHT HAND TURN LANE OR SOMETHING LIKE, UH, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME PUBLIC BENEFIT TO THAT, OR, UM, A SHARED USE PATH OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH SOME, UM, UH, POTENTIAL TAKINGS CLAIMS. SO THERE, THOSE ARE ALWAYS EVALUATED UNDER THE NOLAN AND, AND DOLAN NEXUS. UM, THEN WE HAVE DUE PROCESS, UM, WHICH IS THE NOTICE AND, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. UH, THAT COMES FROM THE, THE US CONSTITUTION AS WELL. UH, AND THEN WE HAVE EQUAL PROTECTION, UM, AND SO THAT EVERYONE'S TREATED THE SAME. ALL RIGHT, HERE'S THE ACTUAL TYPES OF TAKINGS CLAIMS THAT TAKE PLACE. UM, UNDER THE FIFTH AMENDMENT. THERE YOU HAVE, UM, PHYSICAL OCCUPATION CASES, UH, REGULATORY, TAKINGS, AND THEN DEDICATION AND EXACTIONS. SO, UM, ONE, DID THE CITY, IS THE CITY ACTUALLY TAKING THE LAND FOR SOME OTHER PURPOSE? SO THAT'D BE THE PHYSICAL OCCUPATION. YOU HAVE A REGULATORY TAKING THAT THEY, YOU CAN GET ARGUMENTS FOR THAT IF THE CITY HAS PUT SO MANY BURDENS AND REGULATIONS ON THE LAND THAT THEY CAN NO LONGER BUILD ANYTHING. SO THIS IS, THIS ONE'S KIND OF HARD TO, UH, PROVE. UM, BUT IF YOU, YOU, WE CAN'T JUST ZONE OUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO USE YOUR PROPERTY FOR SOMETHING. SO IF YOU HAVE UNDEVELOPED LAND AND IT'S OWN COMMERCIAL, WE CAN'T, UH, AMEND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, TO CHANGE THE COMMERCIAL ZONING SO THAT NOW ONLY A TWO BY TWO HOUSE OR BUILDING OR SOMETHING TINY CAN ONLY BE BUILT AND THEN THEY CAN'T OVERUSE IT. SO THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, OBVIOUSLY DEVELOPERS WILL FIND, UM, REGULATORY TAKINGS AND SOMETHING THAT, UM, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF CITIES AND TOWNS AND COUNTIES AND STATES, UH, DOESN'T AMOUNT TO REGULATORY TAKING, BUT THAT'S WHERE YOU END UP WITH THE DIFFERENT LITIGATION FOR. UM, IT'S ALSO WHERE WE END UP WITH, UM, UM, THE, THE IDEA OF, WHICH I WON'T GO INTO A LOT OF, BUT THE IDEA OF A LEGAL, UM, NON-CONFORMING USES, UH, SO GRANDFATHERING. UM, IF YOU HAVE A PROPERTY THAT WAS ONE TIME PERMITTED FOR A CERTAIN USE OR A BUILDING AND YOU'VE MAINTAINED THAT, UM, THEN YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO THAT. UM, IF [02:25:01] YOU ABANDON THAT OR TRY TO EXPAND THE USE, OR CHANGE THE USE, THEN YOU CAN LOSE YOUR NON-CONFORMITY. UM, AND IT'S ON THE PROPERTY OWNER TO SHOW THAT THEY WERE CONFORMING AT ONE POINT. WE OFTEN GET, UM, COMPLAINTS OF, YOU KNOW, REGULATORY TAKINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN'T DO THIS, BUT I USED TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. UM, AND IT TURNS OUT OFTEN THAT THEY WERE NEVER ALLOWED TO DO IT. IT'S JUST THAT SOMEONE WAS, AND THE CITY NEVER, UM, YOU KNOW, CITED THEM FOR 'EM AT THE TIME. UH, AND SO IT HAD TO HAVE BEEN PERMITTED AT SOME POINT. SO IN THE TIME, AND, AND IN ARIZONA WHERE WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A YOUNGER STATE, UM, COMPARED TO THE EAST COAST, AND SO IT REALLY WASN'T UNTIL THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES EVEN THAT COUNTIES STARTED APPLYING ZONING. UM, AND THEN THE CITY WASN'T INCORPORATED UNTIL 1988. SO WE, UM, REGULARLY RUN INTO, UH, ISSUES. UH, IN FACT, A LOT OF OUR ZONING ISSUES COME FROM, WE INHERITED FROM THE COUNTIES WHEN WE INCORPORATED. UM, THEY WERE NOT, UM, BEING BOTH A FLAGSTAFF CENTRIC COCONINO COUNTY AND A PRESCOTT CENTRIC, UH, YAVAPAI COUNTY. THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO HAVE OFTEN BEEN A LOT OF THOUGHT ABOUT ZONING AND PLANNING IN, UH, THIS SECTION, THIS RURAL SECTION, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES. UH, AND THEN DEDICATION ANDACTION. SO THIS IS THE LAND USE DECISIONS, UM, CONDITIONING APPROVAL. SO ALL OF OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UM, AND SPECIFICALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE ANY DEDICATIONS FOR, UH, UH, PROPERTY, FOR PUBLIC USE. UH, SO REQUIRING LIKE THE BENNETT WAY CONNECTION AND THE, UH, SHARED USE PATH, THOSE COME UP, COME UP WITH THE, THE NOLAN AND DOLAN, UM, TEST. SO I WENT THROUGH THE REGULATORY TAKINGS JUST IN GENERAL. THIS IS A GOOD QUOTE, UM, FROM JUSTICE, UH, HOLMES HERE. HE SAYS, THE GENERAL RULE AT LEAST, IS THAT WHILE PROPERTY MAY BE REGULATED TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, IF REGULATION GOES TOO FAR, IT'LL BE RECOGNIZED AS A TAKING. UH, AND THAT WAS WAY BACK AT THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE, I THINK THE THIRTIES OR FORTIES. AND SO IT TOOK A WHILE TO DETERMINE WHAT, UM, BECAME A REGULATORY TAKING. UM, AND HERE'S THE TEST THAT CAME OUT FROM NOLAN AND DOLAN. IT HAS TO HAVE AN ESSENTIAL NEX NEXUS BETWEEN THE INTEREST THAT THE CITY HAS AND WHAT, SO WHAT IT'S REQUIRING. UM, AND THEN IT HAS TO BE ROUGHLY PROPORTIONAL TO THE REQUIRED DEDICATION. AND SO WE CAN'T JUST, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE BUILDING A, A NEW, UH, LITTLE SHOPPING CENTER, WE CAN'T REQUIRE YOU TO REPAVE THE ENTIRE MILE LONG SECTION OF THE ROAD, RIGHT? THE, THEY WOULD SAY, UM, THAT'S NOT ROUGHLY PROPORTIONAL. UM, NOW IT'S, SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT VIOLATE THE ESSENTIAL NEXUS TEST AS WELL. UM, BUT YOU GET DOWN TO, OKAY, NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY. X NUMBER OF CARS ARE GONNA COME IN, IT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, HAMPER THE, UH, TRAFFIC AT THE LIGHT. SO WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE YOU TO BUILD IN A RIGHT HAND TURN LANE. UM, UH, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS SHOW THAT IT WAS, UH, ESSENTIAL TO THE INTEREST OF THE CITY, UM, IN REGULATING THE TRAFFIC. AND THEN IT'S PROPORTIONAL TO THE IMPACT THIS DEVELOPMENT'S GOING TO HAVE ON THE CITY. AND SO THIS IS WHY, UH, STAFF GENERALLY DOES, UH, OR ALWAYS DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB AT THIS. AND SO YOU DON'T SEE THESE, AND THEY DON'T COME BEFORE YOU NECESSARILY. 'CAUSE WE'VE HASHED THESE OUT, UH, BEFOREHAND. UM, IF, UH, AND THE DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, HAS, HAS BEEN FINE WITH ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT BEFORE THEM IN ORDER TO DEVELOP. BUT SOMETHING JUST TO REMEMBER ESSENTIAL NEXUS AND ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY, UM, THE ARIZONA INCORPORATED THAT THOSE TWO TESTS AND A COUPLE OTHERS, UH, RIGHT INTO A RS NINE 500 TITLE IX IS THE CHAPTER OR THE TITLE ON CITIES AND TOWNS. ITS POWERS AND AUTHORITIES. AND SO A CITY OR TOWN HAS TO COMPLY WITH ALL THOSE DECISIONS, AND WE HAD TO ANYWAY, SO I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY DID IT. AND THEY DID IT SO SOON AFTER THE TESTS. UH, THE LAST CASE IN 94, UM, THAT THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE, THE, THE NUMBERS THERE FROM THE US SUPREME COURT YET, LIKE HADN'T BEEN PUBLISHED IN THE BOOK YET. AND SO, AND THEN THEY'VE NEVER UPDATED IT. SO THIS HAS BEEN THE SAME SINCE 1994. UM, AND, AND THE NOLAN, UM, AND DOLAN TESS ARE STILL, THEY WERE JUST AFFIRMED BY THE SUPREME COURT, UM, IN 2024, THE US SUPREME COURT. THAT'S STILL THE TEST THAT THEY WILL USE ANYTIME ANYONE CHALLENGES, UM, AN EXACTION OR A REGULATORY TAKING FROM THE CITY. ALL RIGHT. UM, I DON'T KNOW, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT ONE TOO MUCH MORE. UM, HERE'S SOME WAYS THAT P AND Z COMMISSIONS CAN GO WRONG, UM, WITH DUE PROCESS CLAIMS. UM, AND WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS ONE BEFORE, IF YOU'VE NOTICED YOUR, UM, MOTIONS TO APPROVE SOMETHING OR DENY IT, IF THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDED DENIAL ARE VERY LONG AND WORDY. UH, AND THAT'S BECAUSE, UM, THE RESIDENTS OR DEVELOPERS WILL, UM, LIKE TO [02:30:01] SUE OVER AND CHALLENGE THOSE. AND THEY CAN APPEAL THOSE DECISIONS USUALLY TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR TO, FROM THE P AND Z TO CITY COUNCIL. BUT THEN AFTER THEY, IF THEY DON'T GET THE OUTCOME THEY LIKE AT CITY COUNCIL, UM, MOST DECISIONS CAN BE APPEALED. ALL DECISIONS CAN BE APPEALED TO THE SUPERIOR COURT, UH, TO REVIEW. UH, AND THEN THE SUPERIOR COURT, UH, THOSE JUDGES GENERALLY ARE NOT WELL VERSED IN ZONING, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WORK. THEY HAVEN'T STAFFED THEM, THEY HAVEN'T ADVISED, UH, PLANNING ZONING STAFF. AND SO THEY GET, UM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, A QUICK, UM, A QUICK, UH, STUDY IN, IN TRYING TO LEARN WHAT TO DO, BUT THEY OFTEN DON'T GET IT RIGHT. AND SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE A HARD TIME MAKING THE DECISION IF, IF THE DECISION BY THE P AND Z COMMISSION WAS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE RECORD. AND SO, IN YOUR MOTIONS TO APPROVE, YOU ARE GENERALLY ADOPTING THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH IS QUITE LENGTHY AND HAS LOTS OF INFORMATION IN IT, UM, UM, AND MAKING, ADOPTING THAT AS YOUR RECORD OF FINDINGS. UM, SO THAT'S, UH, ONE REASON THE MOTIONS ARE, ARE LONG. UM, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE. UM, IF THE DECISION IS IRRATIONAL. SO, UM, THE, THE, YOU CAN APPEAL A DECISION IF IT WAS ARBITRARY OR CAPRICIOUS. UM, AND SO IF A COM P AND Z COMMISSIONS SOMETIMES GET IN TROUBLE BY DENYING A PROJECT OR APPROVING A PROJECT AND NOT GIVING A VALID REASON FOR IT. SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHY STAFF USUALLY, UM, BASED ON ITS RECOMMENDATION, WILL GIVE YOU A LONG, UH, VERSION SHOWING ALL THE CODE PROVISIONS YOU'RE COMPLYING WITH, THE PLANS THAT ARE COMPLYING WITH AND ADOPTING THE FINDINGS FROM STAFF REPORTS. UM, NOW THOSE MOTIONS ARE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS. YOU ARE FREE AND, UH, THE COMMISSION HAS DONE SO YOU CAN MAKE OTHER MOTIONS, RIGHT? UM, AND SO, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENT EMOTION THAN WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED IN THE STAFF, UH, TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, EVEN IF YOU NEED TO ASK THE CHAIR, YOU KNOW, FOR FIVE, 10 MINUTES OR SOMETHING TO WRITE OUT YOUR MOTION A LITTLE BIT. AND WE AS STAFF CAN HELP YOU, UM, DURING THAT BREAK DRAFT OF MOTION, UM, THAT YOU WANT TO PROPOSE, ONE, THAT IT'S SUPPORTED BY THE RECORD AND THAT IT'S NOT IRRATIONAL, SO THAT IT HAS A BASIS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO YOU WANT TO CITE THE CORRECT PROVISIONS. UM, IF YOU LEAVE OUT SOME OF THAT, THEN YOU LEAVE YOUR MOTION VULNERABLE TO CHALLENGES BY ANYONE UNHAPPY WITH THE DECISION, UM, COMMISSION MADE, WHETHER THAT'S, UH, RESIDENCE OR THE APPLICANT. UM, AND THEN ABUSE OF DISCRETION. THIS ONE SHOULDN'T EVER COME UP. I SHOULD HOPEFULLY BE WATCHING THAT. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO DO. UM, I WILL TELL YOU, YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT MOTION, UH, BUT IT'S THERE. UM, IF YOU CHOOSE, YOU KNOW, TO, YOU KNOW, PASS A MOTION ON SOMETHING AND TRY TO, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT IT AND YOU DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO, THEN THAT WOULD BE AN ABUSIVE DISCRETION. KURT, I, I HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. UM, ON THE, ON THE, IF, IF WE DO MAKE A MOTION AND IT SEEMS, UH, TO NOT COMPLY WITH SOME OF THIS, WILL YOU STOP US AND ADVISE US THAT OUR MOTION IS, COULD FALL, FALL INTO, UH, DECISION NOT ADEQUATELY? ANY, ANY ONE OF THOSE? WILL YOU STOP US BEFORE WE ENACT THAT MOTION? IF I FELT LIKE THERE WAS A LARGE RISK, THEN YES. UM, AND MAYBE NOT EVEN A LARGE, A DECENT RISK OF SOMETHING GOING ADVERSE BECAUSE OF THAT, THEN YES, I WOULD LET YOU KNOW. OKAY. SO YEAH. SO, UM, YES, I DEFINITELY ALWAYS PAY ATTENTION TO THE MOTIONS YOU'RE MAKING. 'CAUSE 'CAUSE THAT IS THE FIRST THING THE JUDGE WILL SEE ON APPEAL. UM, THEY DON'T GO READ THROUGH THE WHOLE PACKER, THEY LOOK AT THE ACTUAL DECISION. IF IT'S COUNSEL, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL HAVE AN ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? OR THEY'LL HAVE A RESOLUTION. LOOK AT, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THAT FIRST. UM, FOR P AND Z AND EVEN FOR COUNSEL, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE MOTION THEY MADE, UM, AS TO, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA BE CHALLENGED. THAT'LL BE THE FIRST THING ANYONE CHALLENGING IT WILL CITE TO AS WELL. UM, THE MOTION WAS WRONG, UH, BECAUSE OF X, Y, OR ZI THINK YOU'D STOP US EVEN IF THERE'S A SMALL RISK. UH, SO THE, THE WAY THAT WILL HAPPEN, AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT, IS I WOULD HAVE TO CALL YOU A, WE'D HAVE TO, I WOULDN'T ADVISE YOU OPENLY IN AN OPEN SESSION OF YOUR LEGAL PITFALL. SO WE'D WANNA GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. UM, AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES, UH, A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME AND, BUT IT'S, IT'S AVAILABLE. AND THAT'S, WE WILL GET INTO THAT AS WELL. ANYTIME. IF YOU EVER HAVE ANY LEGAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO ASK PUBLICLY THAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE BETTER TO ASK PRIVATELY, YOU CAN, UH, IT JUST TAKES A MOTION, UM, BY ANYONE TO MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR LEGAL ADVICE. AND THAT'S ALWAYS ON THE AGENDA. AND THEN IF IT'S SECONDED AND, AND VOTE ON, UM, BY A MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION, THEN WE CAN GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND I CAN PROVIDE LEGAL ADVICE CONFIDENTIALLY. SO, UM, YEAH, I, I'LL KEEP THAT IN MIND. COMMISSIONER HURST, WHETHER EVEN ON SMALL ONES, UH, THERE'S [02:35:01] ALWAYS A RISK, RIGHT? UM, PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS, SOME, SOME PARTY, AS WE SAW TONIGHT, IS ALWAYS GONNA BE UNHAPPY WITH YOUR DECISION. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER SEEN EVERYONE APPLAUD, UH, GLAD THAT ZOE DECISION SOMEONE'S, YOU KNOW, GONNA NOT BE HAPPY ABOUT IT. AND SO THERE'S ALWAYS A RISK OF, OF A CHALLENGE. AND SO IT, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE DONE PERFECTLY. THIS ISN'T TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO, YOU KNOW, TO SCARE YOU IN ANY, IN ANY WAY. UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT IT AND CITE TO THE CODE PROVISIONS, UM, THAT SUPPORTS YOUR DECISION. AND WE'RE HAPPY, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU EVEN SUSPECT YOU MIGHT BE WANTING TO VOTE A DIFFERENT WAY, UH, BEFORE THE, THE MEETING, I'M HAPPY TO MEET AND DISCUSS WITH INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS, UH, HELP YOU DRAFT A MOTION OR HELP YOU MAKE YOUR POSITION STRONGER. UM, IF THAT'S HOW YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU FEEL SHOULD GO. SO, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU WERE APPOINTED BY COUNSEL TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINIONS. UM, AND, AND THEY APPRECIATE YOUR OPINIONS, UH, EVEN IF THEY SOMETIMES WILL DISAGREE WITH YOUR OPINIONS, JUST AS WE ALL HAVE DISAGREEMENTS. AND SO I'M HAPPY TO HELP YOU MAKE YOUR BEST ARGUMENT THAT YOU CAN TO SEE IF YOU CAN CONVINCE ANYONE TO COME YOUR WAY. ALRIGHT, SO THE ACTUAL APPROVAL CRITERIA, UH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE, BUT THE, ALL 12 OR 12 OR 11, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S 11, BUT I PUT 12 HERE. APPROVAL CRITERIA ARE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 8.3, 0.8 0.5, AND THESE ARE THE SAME FOR ALL OF YOUR DECISIONS. UM, AND SO THOSE ARE CITED TO IN THE PREPARED MOTIONS THAT YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SECTION 8.3. UM, BUT THESE ARE THEM LISTED OUT. SO A DOESN'T REALLY APPLY, IT'S JUST A GENERAL ONE. PRIOR APPROVALS. WE USUALLY DON'T HAVE TOO MANY OF THOSE, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, COMES UP, UH, EVERY, EVERY TIME. UM, DOES, IS THIS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, OR OTHER APPLICABLE PLANS? UM, EXCEPT FOR SUBDIVISIONS, UH, ALTHOUGH THIS SUBDIVISION WON'T COME BEFORE YOU ANYMORE. SO, UH, AND THEN IS THE D IS ANOTHER MAJOR ONE, COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OTHER APPLICABLE REGULATIONS. SO C AND D ARE YOUR TWO MAJOR ONES. UM, E AND F OR E AND G I'D SAY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE, UH, ROOM FOR YOU. UM, ESPECIALLY IN REZONING TO, UH, CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD FIT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, DOES IT MINIMIZE IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTY AND DOES IT MINIMIZE ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS? UH, F COMES UP RARELY IF THERE'S AN ENVI, AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT, UM, ADVERSE IMPACTS TO THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS OF THE CITY. THAT COMES UP VERY RARELY AS WELL. GENERALLY, THE CITY'S NOT, UM, IF WE'RE PARTNERING ON THESE IN ANY WAY, IT'S GENERALLY NOT FINANCIALLY, IT'S USUALLY JUST THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN SOME OTHER WAY. UM, IF IT IS THROUGH THE FINANCIAL, UH, A FINANCIAL, UH, PARTNERSHIP, LIKE A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, THEN WE'RE USUALLY PRETTY CAREFUL, UM, WITH THE, WITH THE PUBLIC MONEY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING A GOOD DEAL OUT OF IT, GETTING A BETTER DEAL THAN WHAT WE'RE SPENDING. SO, UH, H DOESN'T COME UP MUCH. UH, UTILITY SERVICE AND IMPROVEMENT STANDARDS, THIS ONE COMES UP. UM, AND IT'S ONE WHERE, UM, IT'S GENERALLY FOUND TO BE SATISFIED. 'CAUSE ALL THE UTILITIES ARE HAPPY TO ADD IN MORE CUSTOMERS. SO THE WATER COMPANY, UH, A PS, EVERYONE WILL GIVE 'EM A, UM, A LETTER SAYING THEY'RE HAPPY TO SERVE THEM. UH, BUT IT IS A REQUIREMENT. SO IF, IF AT SOME POINT THE WATER COMPANY OR SOMEONE ELSE SAID THEY DIDN'T HAVE CAPACITY FOR IT, THEN THAT WOULD BE A REASON TO CONSIDER A DENIAL OF A PROJECT. UM, AND THEN PROVIDES ADEQUATE ROAD SYSTEMS AND TRAFFIC MITIGATION. THAT ONE COMES UP A LOT AS WELL. UM, PUBLIC SERVICES AND FACILITIES, UH, OUR DEVELOPMENTS ARE USUALLY SMALL ENOUGH THAT BECAUSE OF NOLAN DOLAN, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, EXACT A LOT OF PUBLIC SERVICES OUT OF THEM ANYWAYS. UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE DEVELOPMENT TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, IT'S IN, DOWN IN THE, IN THE PHOENIX AREA, WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING A MILE BY MILE, YOU KNOW, NEW SUBDIVISION, THEY CAN REQUIRE A NEW, UH, FIRE STATION, A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA NEED ALL THOSE THINGS TO, UH, OR AT LEAST DEDICATE THE LAND FOR THOSE. UM, 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA NEED ALL OF THOSE TO PROPERLY SERVE THE NEW, HOWEVER MANY THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS ARE GONNA MOVE IN IN THERE. UM, OUR DEVELOPMENTS ARE, UH, A LOT SMALLER THAN THAT. AND SO, BUT IT'S STILL THERE IN CASE WE EVER DID GET ONE. UH, AND THEN A RATIONAL PHASING PLAN. UM, MOST DEVELOPMENTS ARE SMALL ENOUGH AGAIN, THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON A SINGLE, UH, PHASE DEVELOPMENT. UH, BUT IF THEY WERE PLANNING ON A MULTI-PHASE ONE, YOU CAN CONSIDER WHETHER IT'S RATIONAL OR YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON THAT ONE. CARRIE. MOST ARE ONE PHASE, YEAH. OKAY. DOES THAT RELATE TO, UH, WHAT IS IT CALLED? THE YEAH, YOU APPROVED A PHASING PLAN FOR THE ALCHEMIST, UH, MM-HMM . MM-HMM . PROJECT AS PART OF THE YEAH. [02:40:01] EXTENSION THIS SUMMER. AND THEY WERE GONNA DO SOMETHING THIS YEAR, AND THEY HAVEN'T YET. THEY COULD ON DECEMBER THE 31ST, I GUESS. DO SOMETHING, HUH? YEAH. YEAH. THEY'RE, BUT YEAH, THEY NEED TO DO THINGS IN, YEAH. SO EVEN THOUGH THE PHASING PLAN, LIKE FOR THAT, GOES OUT TO I THINK 2029 MM-HMM . THEY HAVE INTERIM STEPS THAT THEY NEED TO TAKE. SO, AND IF THEY DON'T, WHAT HAPPENS? SO THAT ONE'S OFF TOPIC A LITTLE BIT FOR TONIGHT. OKAY. BUT YOU CAN ASK AFTERWARDS, UM, UH, INDIVIDUALLY IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT ONE. BUT YEAH, YOU, UH, THERE WAS A RATIONAL PHASING PLAN. IF THEY DON'T MEET IN GENERAL, IF, UH, SOMEONE PROPOSED A RATIONAL PHASING PLAN AND THEY DON'T MEET THEIR PHASES, UH, THEN THE ZONING, UH, CAN BE REVERTED, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE, THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. UM, MOTIONS FOR APPROVALS. UH, I TOUCHED ON THIS A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS WHY WE ARE GONNA HAVE IN HERE, CAN'T SEE MY POINTER, BUT UP THERE IT SAYS, WHICH STAFF REPORT IS HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION. UM, JUDGES WILL SOMETIMES SAY, WELL, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU MOVE TO APPROVE THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, OR RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS BASED ON. AND SO THEY WILL, UM, WE'VE TRIED TO CLARIFY AND EXPAND THIS OVER YEARS TO CLEAR TO, UH, SATISFY ANY CONCERN A JUDGE MIGHT HAVE. UM, MOTIONS FOR DENIAL. IF STAFF'S NOT RECOMMENDING A DENIAL, THEY'RE NOT GONNA FILL OUT A BUNCH OF REASONS THERE. THIS IS WHERE, WHEN YOU GET THE PACKET, FEEL FREE TO START WORKING ON IT. FEEL FREE TO ASK STAFF OR MYSELF, AND WE CAN HELP YOU. IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR DENIAL, WE CAN HELP YOU SPECIFY AND CLARIFY YOUR FINDINGS AHEAD OF TIME. UM, SO THAT IF YOU HAVE SUPPORT FROM A MAJORITY OF YOUR PLANNING ZONING COMMISSIONS TO DENY SOMETHING, EVEN A STAFF RECOMMENDING IT, UH, YOU CAN HAVE, UM, A, A WELL THOUGHT OUT MOTION AHEAD OF TIME. ALRIGHT. UM, JUST IN SUMMARY HERE, UH, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE GOOD REASONS THAT'S SUPPORTED IN THE RECORD. UM, AND RECOGNIZE, AND THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, I DIDN'T FORGOT TO TOUCH ON THIS. WE, WE ARE ALWAYS FINE ASKING. I FEEL LIKE THE P AND Z COMMISSION CAN ALWAYS ASK, AND WE WE'RE PRETTY GOOD AT THAT. UH, WOULD YOU CONSIDER, UM, DOING THIS X, Y, OR Z? UM, BUT IF YOU EVER HAVE A QUESTION, A LOT OF OUR ASKS, NOT A LOT, SOME OF OUR ASKS JUST CAN'T BE REQUIRED. THERE'S GONNA BE NO, UH, DOLAN AND NOLAN NEXUS AND ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DEMAND, UH, CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE, WE CAN ASK FOR. BUT YOU'RE ALWAYS FREE TO ASK THE DEVELOPER IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER X, Y, OR Z. UM, AND OFTENTIMES THEY DO. THEY TAKE THAT INTO THOUGHT INTO ACCOUNT AND, AND WE'LL MAKE MINOR CHANGES. UM, ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO THAT'S THE END OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING PORTION. UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I KNOW IT WAS JUST KIND OF REALLY QUICK WHAT YOU DO, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE A REALLY IMPORTANT ROLE, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND MAKING THOSE TOUGH DECISIONS ON APPROVING YOUR DENYING PROJECTS. SO YOU GUYS CAN TAKE ALL THE HEAT ON THOSE AND NOT FROM STAFF, BUT NOW STAFF GETS TO DO A FEW MORE. SO THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT. YEAH. UM, WE'LL TAKE A BULLET FOR YOU ANYTIME, , APPRECIATE THAT. UM, SO IF, IF THE COMMISSION, IF A COMMISSIONER ASKS THE DEVELOPER TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT REQUIRED BY CODE, UH, IS THAT NOT SOMETHING YOU SHOULD PUT INTO A MOTION? SO A, A SINGLE COMMISSIONER ISN'T THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION, AND THEY CAN'T BIND THE COMMISSION OR DO ANYTHING. SO IT WOULD BE IF YOU NO, I MEAN, IF THE, IF, IF THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, IN, IN OUR COMMENTS, WE, WE TEST, WE STATE OUR, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN. SURE. BUT IT'S NOT IN THE LDC, IT'S NOT IN THE BUILDING CODE. IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. CORRECT? THEY DON'T HAVE TO. ARE ARE THOSE THINGS THAT SHOULD NEVER SHOW UP THEN IN A MOTION? YES. AND THEY DON'T SHOW UP IN MOTIONS. UH, WHERE THEY SHOW UP IS IF YOU REQUEST SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEY SAY, YEAH, THAT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA. WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. UH, THEN WE PUT 'EM USUALLY IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. OKAY. UH, SO WE, WE EXPAND THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL OFTEN FROM WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS FROM CON CONDITION APPROVAL. P AND Z COMES UP WITH ONE OR TWO MORE IDEAS. UM, IS A VERBAL COMMITMENT, UH, ENFORCEABLE? YES. SO, UH, IDEALLY WE'LL HAVE IT IN WRITING THOUGH, IT'S BETTER. BUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS ANYTHING THEY EXPRESSED IN A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WHICH WOULD BE PLANNING, ZONING, COMMISSION MEETINGS. SO IF THEY, IF IT'S IN A PRIVATE MEETING, NO, BUT IF THEY EXPRESS IT HERE MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, AND IT'S RECORDED, UM, THAT THEY, THEY WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, THAT THEY WILL DO SOMETHING, THEN THAT'S A REQUIREMENT. UM, BUT IDEALLY WE STILL WRITE IT DOWN. IT'S JUST BETTER. MM-HMM . ALRIGHT. SO SWITCHING GEARS, UM, TO OPEN MEETING LOSS. 'CAUSE THIS, UH, ALSO INVOLVES ALL PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS. UM, THE PUBLIC POLICY OF THE STATE IS THAT ALL MEETINGS ARE TO BE ENACTED OPENLY, AND THAT AGENDAS [02:45:01] ARE PROVIDED. UM, ANYONE TASKED WITH INTERPRETING THE OPEN MEETING LAW, WHICH IS MYSELF, HAS TO CONSTRUE THE OPEN MEETING LAW IN FAVOR OF MEETINGS BEING OPEN IN PUBLIC. SO IF IT'S A GRAY AREA, UH, THE LAW SAYS I SHOULD LEAN TOWARDS OPEN AND PUBLIC, WHICH WE DO, UH, HERE IN THE CITY. AND WE DON'T HAVE GENERALLY, UM, ANY ISSUES WITH THIS. AND SO, UH, PART OF THIS IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMISSION IS REMINDED OF THEIR OBLIGATIONS AND, UH, REMEMBERS, UM, GOING FORWARD. SO, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC BODY. AND SO ANY MEETING THAT THE, THAT YOU HAVE HAS TO BE DONE IN, UM, IT HAS TO BE DONE PUBLICLY. AND A MEETING IS DEFINED RIGHT THERE. AND IT'S A GATHERING IN PERSON OR THROUGH TECHNOLOGICAL DEVICES OF A QUORUM OF MEMBERS OF A PUBLIC BODY AT WHICH THEY DISCUSS, PROPOSE, OR TAKE LEGAL ACTION. ALL RIGHT? SO A QUORUM OF P AND Z IS FOR UM, MEMBERS. AND SO YOU ARE FREE, AND THIS IS THE SAME WITH COUNCIL. YOU'RE FREE TO DISCUSS ANY, UH, PROJECT WITH TWO OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL OR COMMISSION, SO LONG AS THEY HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT WITH OTHER PEOPLE. UM, SO YOU CAN OFTEN JUST ASK IT. SO IF, IF, IF I'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH, WELL, I GUESS WE'LL PICK ON CHAIR, UH, CHAIR WHEEL. SO IF CHAIR WHEEL HAS DISCUSSED IT WITH, YOU KNOW, JOE MARTIN AND, UH, COMMISSIONER HURST, UH, ALREADY, SO THERE'S THREE. SO SHE'S DISCUSSED THIS PROJECT, AND THEN COMMISSIONER SMITH, YOU WANNA COME TALK TO HER ABOUT IT. SHE NEEDS TO SAY, SORRY, I CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT. I'VE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALREADY, UH, DISCUSSED THAT WITH OTHER COMMISSIONERS. UM, SO IT FALLS ON HER IN THAT SCENARIO. 'CAUSE YOU WOULDN'T KNOW, YOU'VE ONLY, YOU HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT WITH ANYONE, AND YOU SAY, HEY, I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT X YOU KNOW, ITEM THAT MAY COME BEFORE PZ IN THE FUTURE. UM, YOU CAN DO SO JUST NOT AS, IT CAN'T EXCEED A QUORUM. SO YOU GOTTA WATCH OUT FOR THAT. SO BE CAREFUL WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO. YOU'RE FREE TO TALK TO ONE OR TWO OTHER COMMISSIONERS. UM, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT THAT, IT'S WHAT WE CALL THE DAISY CHAIN. AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT TALKING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, EACH OF YOU TALKS TO ONLY ONE, BUT YOU'VE ALL TALKED TO EACH OTHER AND THEN YOU'VE MADE A DECISION OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC MEETING. UM, SO A LEGAL ACTION MEANS A COLLECTIVE DECISION, COMMITMENT OR PROMISE MADE BY A PUBLIC BODY. UM, AND SO THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN, IN, IN A PUBLIC MEETING. SO YOU CAN'T ALL AGREE ON SOME COURSE OF ACTION OUTSIDE OF THAT PUBLIC MEETING. UM, AND THEN HERE'S THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS. IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY ONLY 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE. WE, WE USUALLY HAVE 'EM POSTED, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST A WEEK IN ADVANCE, IF NOT MORE. UH, BUT WE CAN UPDATE AND AMEND SOMETHING, UM, UP TO 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE. SO FOR A TUESDAY EVENING MEETING LIKE THIS, WE HAVE UNTIL MONDAY EVENING, UH, TO PUT A NEW ITEM ON IF WE HAD SOME TYPE OF EMERGENCY OR SOMETHING, UM, OVER WAS OVERLOOKED AND WE NEEDED TO PUT SOMETHING ON. THAT DOESN'T GENERALLY HAPPEN, UH, FOR PLANNING, ZONING, COMMISSION. THOSE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN WORKED ON FOR MONTHS BY THE DEVELOPERS AND STAFF. AND SO THEY'RE, UH, WELL PLANNED OUT AHEAD OF TIME. UH, BUT IT DOES COME UP FOR CITY COUNCIL ON SOME ITEMS COME UP AT THE, AT THE LAST MINUTE. AND SO WE HAVE THAT 24 HOUR OPPORTUNITY, UM, ON THE EVERY EXEC, UH, EVERY AGENDA WILL BE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO IF YOU NEED ANY LEGAL ADVICE, WE CAN DO SO. UM, THE TWO REASONS THAT YOU MIGHT NEED, UM, FOR IN HERE WAS ONE, THE PRIMARY ONE WOULD BE LEGAL ADVICE, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE COULD BE IF THERE WAS ANY TYPE OF CONFIDENTIAL RECORD BY LAW. SO IF, AND I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, IT COMES UP USUALLY IN A BIGGER DEVELOPMENT, BUT IF THERE'S SOME TYPE OF PROPRIETARY INFORMATION, UM, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, YOU COULD DISCUSS THAT IN, UM, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO I THINK IT COMES UP A LITTLE BIT WITH THE NEW AI DATA CENTERS AND HOW THEY DO SOME OF THE THINGS THEY NEED TO BE APPROVED BY CITIES, BUT THEY DON'T WANT EVERYONE TO COPY THEIR AI DATA CENTER FLOOR PLAN. AND SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE CONFIDENTIAL. SO, OR, AND NOT NECESSARILY THE FLOOR PLAN, BUT I GUESS, UM, SOME OF THE ACTUAL INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORTING THE COMPUTERS. SO, UH, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT POSSIBLY COULD COME UP. UM, WHAT'D YOU SAY? I DON'T THINK, THINK WE'RE GETTING AN AI DATA CENTER. WE HOPE NOT TO EVER GET AN AI DATA CENTER. . YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PARCEL MORE HOUSING DENIED . DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PARCEL BIG ENOUGH. UM, SO, ALL RIGHT. UM, SO VIOLATIONS CAN OCCUR WHETHER YOU ARE TEXTING, EMAILING, TELEPHONE IN PERSON. UM, THE DAISY CHAIN IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF YOU TALKS TO ONE COMMISSIONER AND THAT COMMISSIONER TALKS TO ANOTHER COMMISSIONER. AND SO NOW YOU'VE GOT THREE. AND THEN ONE OF THOSE THREE TALKS TO ONE MORE COMMISSIONER ABOUT THE EXACT SAME TOPIC TOPIC, AND NOW YOU'VE GOT A DAISY CHAIN OF A QUORUM. UM, AND THEN THE HUB AND SPOKE IS ANOTHER WAY OF, ONE OF YOU JUST TALKS TO MORE THAN TWO OTHERS, UH, THEN YOU'VE GOT A POTENTIAL MEETING AND A POTENTIAL OPEN MEETING LAW VIOLATION. UM, IT'S A VIOLATION TO DIRECT STAFF TO VIOLATE, TO MERELY TO DIRECT THEM TO VIOLATE THE OPEN MEETING LAW. SO IT'S LIKE, HEY, CARRIE, CAN YOU FIND OUT WHAT COUNSELORS OR COMMISSIONER SO-AND-SO THINKS OF SOMETHING THAT DIRECTION [02:50:01] ALONE, UM, WOULD BE A, I GUESS IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A QUORUM STILL, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, FIND OUT WHAT THE, THESE THREE COMMISSIONERS THINK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION. UM, EVEN IF THEY DON'T CARRY OUT YOUR, YOUR DIRECTION. UH, SO THE PENALTIES ARE A CIVIL FINES FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND THEN REMOVAL FROM YOUR POSITION AS PZ COMMISSIONER. UM, SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OPEN MEETING VIOLATIONS? I'M ALWAYS AVAILABLE. YOU CAN EMAIL ME, CALL ME, STOP BY, UM, IF, UH, COUNSEL OR THE COMMISSION TAKES ACTION IN VIOLATION OF OPEN ME LAW, IT WASN'T ON AGENDA THEN THAT ACTIONS NO NOEL AND VOID, THAT'S WHAT THE LAW SAYS. UH, THE PENALTIES FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, UM, $500 FOR THE FIRST PENALTY, IF YOU CONTINUE TO DO IT, IT CAN BE $2,500. THE ASSESSMENT HAS TO BE AGAINST, AGAINST THE COMMISSIONER. THE CITY CAN'T PAY IT FOR YOU. UM, SO, UM, THEY TAKE THAT OUT OF OUR PAYCHECK. YES, , . SO, UH, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN DOES IT HAPPEN? ? WELL, SOME OF US GET PAID, I KNOW . UM, AND IF IT'S, UH, CHALLENGED BY SOMEONE, UM, AND THEY USE AN ATTORNEY, THEN THEY, YOU COULD END UP PAYING THEIR ATTORNEY'S FEES AS WELL. UH, SO THAT COULD BE A LOT MORE THAN THE, NOT THAT I'D BE DISHONEST, BUT HOW DOES ANYBODY KNOW THAT FOUR PEOPLE WEREN'T TALKED TO? UH, SO THE, IT COMES UP ALMOST ALWAYS AS INADVERTENT, AND THERE'S NOT ANY PENALTIES. UM, THE, UH, I MEAN, USUALLY THE WAY IT'S COME UP IS PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SEEN THE, UH, AND THEN THIS IS IN OTHER CITIES BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE IN SEDONA, BUT YOU USUALLY WILL HAVE, PEOPLE WILL SEE THE COUNSELORS OR THE BOARD SUPERVISORS ALL TALKING SOMEWHERE, HUDDLED SOMEWHERE, AND THEN THEY SUSPECT SOMETHING. UM, SO YOU CAN'T LIKE, GO TO BREAKFAST WITH YOUR, YOU CAN. AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU, THAT WOULD, IT GIVES IT AN APPEARANCE OF, OF POTENTIALLY SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, UNTOURED GOING ON. YOU BE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PERFECTLY FINE TOO. THIS IS A SMALL COMMUNITY. YOU'RE GONNA END UP AT THE SAME, UM, EVENTS AT TIMES. UM, IF YOU END UP AT THE SAME EVENTS, THEN I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND YOU DON'T ALL GO TO ONE CORNER AND, AND, AND YOU, AND YOU KNOW EACH OTHER AND IT'D BE NATURAL TO ALL GO TALK TO EACH OTHER, RIGHT? RIGHT. UM, SO IT'D BE BEST, YOU KNOW, IF, YEAH, IF TWO OF YOU'RE GONNA TALK FOR BRIEFLY OVER SOMETHING THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S COMMUNITY EVENTS, CHURCH EVENTS, WHATEVER, UM, THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. UM, BUT IT'S BEST TO AVOID THAT APPEARANCE. UM, SO, SO IF I DON'T SAY HI , YOU CAN SAY HI, JUST DON'T, SO EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING, IT'S JUST THE APPEARANCE OF IT. IT GIVES THE APPEARANCE. SO JUST BE SOMETHING TO WATCH OUT FOR. IF YOU'RE GONNA TALK TO SOMEBODY, ANOTHER COMMISSION DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T TALK TO 'EM, OBVIOUSLY. UM, INTERESTING. BUT YOU MAY NOT WANNA GO OFF IN A QUARTER AND HUDDLE ABOUT SOMETHING WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG REZONING CASE COMING UP. MM-HMM . THE NEXT WEEK. PEOPLE WILL THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHETHER YOU WERE OR WEREN'T. SO, UM, IT'S A BIGGER PROBLEM ON SMALLER BOARDS. UM, SOME COUNTIES ONLY HAVE THREE MEMBER COMMISSIONS, AND SO MAJORITY IS TWO, UM, LIKE THREE MEMBER BOARDS OF SUPERVISORS. AND SO THEY CAN'T TALK TO, THEY CAN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER EVER, LIKE ABOUT A DP, 'CAUSE THAT'S A QUORUM. UH, SO THEY'RE TRYING TO, THEY'VE TRIED FOR A WHILE, AND I, MAYBE THEY'LL GET IT THIS YEAR. THEY'RE TRYING TO AMEND THAT TO RELAX THAT A LITTLE BIT. UM, JUST 'CAUSE, UH, AS A THREE MEMBER BOARD OF SUPERVISOR, THEY JUST PROBABLY NEED TO EXPAND AND GET A COUPLE MORE MEMBERS. SO, UH, SO, UH, CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THIS IS ONE THAT'S A LITTLE EVEN MORE SERIOUS THAN OPEN MEETING LAW. THE PENALTIES ARE MORE SEVERE. UM, YOU HAVE A DICTIONARY DEFINITION HERE IS SOMETHING INCOMPATIBLE WITH YOUR PRIVATE INTERESTS AND YOUR PUBLIC DUTIES AS A P AND Z COMMISSIONER. UM, AND, UM, WHAT WE ACTUALLY APPLY HERE IS THE STATE LAW AND THEN THE HR POLICY FOR EMPLOYEES. UH, YOU'RE NOT UNDER THE HR POLICIES, BUT IT'S THERE JUST TO KNOW THAT THE, THE, THE, UM, STAFF CAN'T GET ANYTHING OF VALUE, UM, IN EXCHANGE FOR AN ACTION. SO, UM, BUT THE STATE LAW IS THE ONE THAT CONTROLS HERE. UM, AND IF SO, IF YOU HAVE ANY, UM, SUBSTANTIAL INTEREST IN A DECISION, YOU NEED TO DECLARE THAT AND THEN NOT PARTICIPATE IN THAT DECISION. AND WHAT YOU DO IS JUST, UH, DECLARE. AND THEN YOU COULD STEP OFF THE, UM, THE, THE DEUS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THAT, THAT ITEM. UM, AND YOU WON'T PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION. SO A SUBSTANTIAL INTEREST THOUGH, IS A LOT NARROWER THAN YOU MIGHT THINK. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU ARE BIASED FOR OR AGAINST IT, OR THAT YOU LIVE DOWN THE STREET AND YOU LIKE A PROJECT OR DON'T LIKE A PROJECT. IT MEANS A NONS SPECULATIVE. SO THIS, SO NOT THAT YOU MAY ONE DAY OWN, UM, OR HAVE A PECUNIARY PROPRIETARY INTEREST, BUT YOU HAVE [02:55:01] ONE CURRENTLY. UH, SO A NON SPECULATIVE PECUNIARY PROPRIETARY INTEREST DEFINITION OF PECUNIARY, PECUNIARY, THIS COURT DID IT FOR US. HERE'S THE ONE. PECUNIARY MEANS MONEY AND PROPRIETARY MEANS OWNERSHIP. SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE A MONEY STAKE OR OWNERSHIP STAKE IN WHAT'S COMING BEFORE YOU, UM, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. IF YOU, AND HERE'S THE, A GOOD CASE ON THIS. IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT HAS TO BE AN ACTUAL INTEREST. UM, IT, I HIGHLIGHT THE BOTTOM PART AS CONTRASTED TO GENERAL SYMPATHY, FEELING OR BIAS. YOU WERE APPOINTED TO HAVE SOME SYMPATHY FEELINGS AND BIAS, UM, TO, UH, REPRESENT THE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA AND TO GIVE, UM, YOUR UNBIASED, UH, OR YOUR BIASED, UH, FEEDBACK, UM, AND DIRECT AND OPINIONS TO COUNCIL ON YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WE WANT YOUR OPINIONS. UM, AND SO WE'RE, YOU, WERE APPOINTED BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE OUTCOMES OF PLANNING AND ZONING DECISIONS. YOU JUST CAN'T HAVE THAT, UM, CONFLICT OF INTEREST, THAT SUBSTANTIAL INTEREST IN THE DECISION. SO IF YOU EVER HAVE A QUESTION, WHAT YOU DO IS YOU EMAIL ME, UM, AND I'LL PROVIDE YOU AN OPINION IN WRITING, UH, WHETHER I AGREE IT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR NOT, AND THEN THAT PROTECTS YOU. UH, 'CAUSE IF I GET IT WRONG, THEN IT'S ON YOU, IT'S ON THE ATTORNEY, NOT ON YOU. UH, SO YOU'RE PROTECTED. SO, UM, IF YOU EVER HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER YOU HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR NOT, JUST EMAIL ME. UH, IT'S BEST TO KEEP THAT IN WRITING AND THEN I CAN LET YOU KNOW. AND THEN YOU'RE PROTECTED. YOU CAN USE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OPINION ON THAT. UM, IF YOU'RE FOUND TO INTENTIONALLY OR KNOWINGLY, WHICH WOULD BE A PRETTY HIGH STANDARD, SO YOU ABSOLUTELY KNEW THAT WHAT YOU WERE VOTING ON WAS GONNA ENRICH YOU OR, UH, YOUR BUSINESS OR SOMETHING, UH, THEN THAT WOULD BE A, A FELONY CHARGE. UH, CLASS SIX FELONY COULD END UP WITH PRISON TIME. UM, SO IF IT WAS JUST RECKLESSLY OR NEGLIGENTLY, SO YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T RECOGNIZE IT OR, OR DO IT INTENTIONALLY, UM, SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT. THE, THE MEN'S REA THEY CALL YOU DIDN'T HAVE, YOU DIDN'T, UM, CONSCIOUSLY MAKE THAT DECISION. THEN. IT'S A CLASS ONE MISDEMEANOR. CLASS ONE MISDEMEANOR CAN STILL BE PUNISHED UP TO $2,500 FINE IN SIX MONTHS IN JAIL. UH, SO THIS ONE IS A LOT MORE THAN JUST, AND REMOVAL FROM OFFICE. SO A LOT MORE THAN JUST, UH, THE, UH, OPEN MEETING LAW VIOLATIONS. SO, UM, ONE LAST THING I DIDN'T HAVE IN HERE THAT I THINK IS GOOD TO POINT OUT IS EVERY EMAIL, UH, AND EVERY, UH, RECORD YOU, UH, CREATE, UM, RELATED TO THIS TO YOUR COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC RECORD. UM, AND SO, AND ANYONE CAN REQUEST THAT AT ANY TIME. SO THE FEW EXCEPTIONS WOULD BE, UM, IF YOU HAVE, UH, ARE ASKING FOR RECEIVING, UH, LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, THEN YOU HAVE, UH, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE TO THOSE TYPE OF EMAILS AND DOCUMENTS. SO WE WON'T GIVE THOSE OUT. UM, BUT YOUR, UM, YOUR EMAILS TO AND FROM STAFF, UM, EMAILS TO AND FROM, UM, APPLICANTS OR ANYONE ELSE IN THE CITY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS ON A TOPIC THAT CAN COME, UH, BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC RECORD. AND SO IF REQUESTED, UH, WE GIVE OUT THOSE EMAILS, UM, TO ANYONE THAT'S INTERESTED IN READING THOSE. IS THAT WHY YOU RECENTLY MOVED US ALL TO CITY EMAILS SO THAT YOU COULD STREAMLINE US? YES. SO IT EASIER, WE CAN JUST PULL THEM INSTEAD OF REQUIRING, UM, YOU TO GO LOOK THROUGH YOUR EMAILS AND TRY TO FIND ALL OF THE ONES THAT, UM, COMPLY WITH THE REQUEST OR DON'T COMPLY. RIGHT. UH, WE CAN JUST SEARCH IT THROUGH THE TERMS. SO, YEP. ALRIGHT. WELL, ANY QUESTIONS? SORRY FOR THE LENGTH OF THAT. THERE'S A LOT TO COVER. UM, AND IT'S JUST A SMALL MAR SMALL PART. YOU GUYS REALLY DO A LOT MORE AND YOU HAVE A LOT TO DEAL WITH. AND SO WE'RE HAPPY TO DO ONGOING TRAININGS PROVIDING ANY ADDITIONAL ADVICE, UM, OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANYTIME YOU HAVE THEM. CAN I GET A COPY OF THAT, PLEASE? YEAH. YEP. I'LL SEND IT OVER. THANK YOU. WHAT, WHAT'S A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? WE KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT THAT IN IOWA. YOU KNOW, WE, WE, AT LEAST MY EXPERIENCE WAS I TAKE A PROJECT TO PLANNING AND ZONING, IT GETS APPROVED, WE GO TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WE GET OUR PLANS APPROVED. I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T, MAYBE IT'S JUST MY, UH, LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, BUT I DIDN'T THINK WE HAD 'EM. WHAT, WHAT IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IOI, I'M, I'M, I BELIEVE MOST JURISDICTIONS HAVEN'T, BUT IT'S A, AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE REGULATING ENTITIES. SO IN THIS CASE, THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER, UH, THE APPLICANT THAT CAN, UM, TOUCH ON DIFFERENT AREAS OF LAND USE, UH, THAT'S NOT, UM, CAN EITHER AMEND THE LAND USE LAW OR TOUCH ON AREAS THAT AREN'T ENVISIONED THERE. SO WE DON'T HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL RESTRICTION IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. UH, BUT IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO PROPOSE ONE, UH, THEN THE CITY'S FREE TO ACCEPT ONE. UM, [03:00:01] SO IT'S, IT'S A AGREEMENT BEFORE THE TWO. THEY GENERALLY HAVE A, A SET TIMEFRAME, UM, OCCASION THEY'LL GO UP TO LIKE 99 YEARS, BUT USUALLY THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, 20, 30, 50 YEAR, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. AND IT CONTROLS ASPECTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE NOT ALREADY CONTROLLED BY THE, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE ZONING ORDINANCE. AND ARE THOSE, I WOULD ALSO SAY THEY CAN, YEAH, THEY RUN WITH THE LAND. THEY CONTROL THINGS THAT WE NEED TO, UM, MONITOR AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS ISSUED. SO A LOT OF LIKE THE CONSTRUCTION, THE CFO STUFF, WE CAN HOLD A CFO UNTIL THEY'VE DONE X, Y, AND Z. BUT THINGS LIKE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL RESTRICTIONS, MAYBE IF THEY'RE DOING AFFORDABILITY OR SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE ON WHEN WE NO LONGER HAVE THE ABILITY TO HOLD A CFO. OKAY. SO WHO MONITORS THAT? WE DO, YEAH. I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT. NO, NO. AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW, A DOZEN, GENERALLY DEVELOPERS ARE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT HOLDING TO THEM MM-HMM . BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY'RE REQUIRED. UM, SOME OF THEM HAVE ANNUAL REPORTING REQUIREMENTS AND A LOT OF THEM ARE PRETTY GOOD AT GETTING US THAT. I, I JUST HAVE A GEN I HAVE NO QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT JUST TO THE COMMISSION ITSELF, UM, WHEN DO WE TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE, UH, OR, UH, SO, UH, SEVERAL TIMES WE'VE COME INTO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME CHANGES. HOW DO CHANGES ABOUT THE LDC COME ABOUT? IS THAT SOMETHING THE COMMISSION TALKS ABOUT? UM, 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND, UH, FROM YOU CARRIE, IT KIND OF WAS DEVELOPED OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT INPUT WITH PEOPLE IN THE TOWN. AND WE, WE TALKED ABOUT ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS AND MAYBE SOME, SOME, UH, UH, PEOPLE NOT DOING THAT BECAUSE OF NOT CLARITY MM-HMM . BUT, UM, HOW DO, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD ON ANY OF THOSE KIND OF DISCUSSIONS JUST AS A COMMISSION AND NOT BE DEALING WITH ANY PROJECT PER SE, BUT JUST HOW DO WE MAKE, THIS IS THE QUESTION, HOW DO WE GET IT ON THE AGENDA? HOW DO WE GET ON THE AGENDA? HOW DO WE DEAL WITH ANY OF THOSE KIND OF CHANGES? I'M JUST CURIOUS IN THAT AREA. UM, SO AS LIKE SMALL CHANGES THAT COME UP DURING PROJECT REVIEW, WILL WE HAVE A LIST TO KINDA ONGOING LIST THAT WE ADD TO, IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE MORE SUBSTANTIAL YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, UM, WE CAN ADD THAT TO AN AGENDA IF, AS LIKE A WORK SESSION ITEM. YEAH. SO THAT'S THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS YOU CAN PROPOSE, UM, A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM ON X TOPIC OF THE LVC. YOUR OTHER OPPORTUNITY IS YOU CAN JUST TALK TO STAFF AND SAY, IN THE NEXT ROUND OF LDC UPDATES, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING ON THIS INCLUDED. IF THEY AGREE THEY CAN PUT IT IN. IF THEY DON'T, YOU CAN TAKE IT TO ALL THE COMMISSION ON AN AGENDA. UM, SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW BIG OR SMALL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND WE'RE GONNA SEE IT FULL BECAUSE COMMUNITY PLAN GOT ADOPTED, SO WE NEED TO BRING, MAKE SURE LDC IS COMPLIANT WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE APPROVED THE COMMUNITY PLAN. WE WERE TOLD, OKAY, NOW THAT THAT'S DONE, THE NEXT THING WE LOOK AT IS MAKING THIS IN COMPLIANCE. SO WITH THE NEW COMMUNITY PLAN, I'M NOT SURE THERE WAS ANY CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE TWO. YEAH. UM, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE HAD, I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH TONY ABOUT JUST, UM, THERE'S, IT'S NOT REALLY ON THE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL FUTURE. SHOULD WE CLOSE THE THING AND YOU TALK ABOUT THIS IN FUTURE, SO POTENTIALLY THREE OF US COULD GET TOGETHER, BUT NOT FOUR AND WORK ON CODE CHANGES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND THEN WE COULD ASK TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND DISCUSS IT WITH STAFF. YEAH. AND THEN, UM, UM, YEAH, THE COMMISSION CAN PUT IT ON ANY FUTURE AGENDA. SO YEAH, SO LIKE IF WE WANTED TO PROPOSE A PARALLEL GREEN BUILDING CODE THAT GOES WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO WHAT I MAY SUGGEST, IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IS UM, SO WE ARE LOOKING AT A SCHEDULE FOR AN UPDATE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. UM, RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO, WE HAVE THE SUSTAINABILITY REPORT THAT WAS COMPLETED, THAT HAS RECOMMENDATIONS. WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT, UM, THAT WE NEED TO ALIGN WITH. UM, BUT NOW WE'RE EMBARKING ON THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY, WHICH WILL ALSO INCLUDE SUGGESTED CONE CHANGES. SO WE WANT TO GET THAT DONE FIRST. UM, AND THEN FROM THAT POINT, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS FROM THE TYPICAL LARGE SCALE CODE AMENDMENT STARTS WITH A PERIOD OF TIME FOR A CODE CRITIQUE. AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY [03:05:01] TO TALK AS A BODY MM-HMM . AND, AND ALL THE THINGS THAT STAFF HAS BEEN THINKING ABOUT, ET CETERA. LET'S LOOK AT THE WAYS WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER. MM-HMM . AND SO AT THAT POINT, AND WE DO THAT SIMULTANEOUS WITH A CONSULTANT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO DO THE, THE UPDATES WITH A CONSULTANT AND THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT IT FROM COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND BEST PRACTICES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. ABSOLUTELY. SO, SO WE'LL YOU BUNDLE ALL OF THAT IN A, IN A CODE CRITIQUE OF THINGS WE'D LIKE TO SEE. UM, AND THEN YOU SEND THE, THE CONSULTANT OUT TO THEN GO DO THE UPDATES AND THAT'S THE PERIOD OF 10 MONTHS OR SO THAT THEY GO BACK AND DO THE REWRITE. UM, BUT IT STARTS WITH THAT TWO MONTHS OR SO OF, OF JUST JOCKEYING AROUND IDEAS OF THINGS WE'D LIKE TO DO, UM, WITH THE CODE. SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS BE THINKING ABOUT THAT MM-HMM . UM, WE EXPECT TO BE DONE WITH THE HOUSING STRATEGY BY THE END OF JUNE. UM, AND THEN THAT'LL GIVE US A PERIOD OF, AND THEN WE'VE, WE'VE SCHEDULED IN ROUGHLY TWO MONTHS OF, OF BEING ABLE TO DO A CODE CRITIQUE, UM, WITH A CONSULTANT. SO, UM, AND THAT'S BUDGET. THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD SUGGEST IT. THE CONSULTANT'S ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED FOR. YES. OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IF YOU HAVE IDEAS, UM, NOT THAT I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THEM, LIKE DO WE DO WANNA HEAR THEM, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME THINGS IT'S LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE BETTER IN THE BUILDING CODE THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE BETTER. LIKE, AND THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE BETTER AS A PROGRAM OR A POLICY. AND THAT'S THE SUSTAINABILITY DOCUMENT THAT TONY MENTIONED. UM, OUR SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING ON SOMETHING AND UM, IT'S, IT'S, I THINK WE JUST GOT THE FINAL REPORT LAST WEEK, BUT LITERALLY THAT'S IN MY EMAIL BOX FROM BEING GONE. BUT YEAH, LIKE GOING THROUGH THAT, IT STARTED OUT AS LIKE THESE ARE GONNA BE CODE AMENDMENTS AND MAYBE ABOUT A QUARTER OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY CODE AMENDMENTS WHERE OTHER THINGS NEED TO GO AND THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THE CITY DOES THINGS THAT UM, YOU KNOW, TO ACCOMPLISH THINGS. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT VEHICLE FOR SOME OF YOUR IDEAS. INTERESTING. OKAY. IS, IS THERE A PRINTED COPY OF THAT WE COULD ALL GET OR SHOULD WE JUST PRINT IT OUT OURSELVES? THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE LAND, WE HAD BOOKLET SO POINT, DIDN'T WE? IT'S I HAVE ONE FROM A FEW YEARS AGO. I HAVE ONE. YEAH. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO USE THE ONLINE VERSION MM-HMM . BECAUSE THAT IS THE MOST UP TO DATE. IF YOU WANT TO PRINT ONE, I CAN SHOW YOU HOW TO DO THAT OR WE CAN DO THAT FOR YOU. BUT BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE CODE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING MADE RIGHT NOW WITH THE LAST ONE YOU UPDATED, WE'RE TRYING TO HOLD OFF PRINTING ANYTHING UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. OKAY. JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T, SOON AS YOU PRINT YOU SOMETHING AND THEN IT'S OUTDATED TWO WEEKS LATER. RIGHT. AS SOON AS YOU THINK YOU CAN, I'LL TAKE A COPY. OKAY. I'LL TAKE YOU SHOWING ME HOW TO MAKE A COPY. . OKAY. THANK YOU FOR, I, I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD, GOOD. GOOD DISCUSSION. YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE TRAINING AS WELL. IT'S ALWAYS, I THINK I MUST'VE MISSED THE TWO YEARS AGO 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN THAT IN LIKE, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN IT. NO, NO, NO. THEY HAD ONE WHEN I FIRST GOT ON. REALLY? I JUST DUNNO IF I WAS AT THAT MEETING, I MUST'VE BEEN ABSENT. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN IS LIKE, YOU MIGHT'VE BEEN, I WOULD'VE BEEN ON MATERNITY LEAVE. LEAVE MATERNITY. YEAH. YEAH. I COULD BEEN, I DON'T REMEMBER. YOU'RE WELCOME. BREAKFAST TOMORROW. . WHAT ABOUT BREAKFAST TONIGHT? WE CAN'T SAY HI. OKAY. CLOSING THAT ITEM. MM-HMM . MOVING ON TO NUMBER [8. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS] EIGHT. FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. SO WE HAVE THE ITEM THAT YOU CONTINUED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT. UM, SO THAT IS YEAH. THE ARTS IN ONE PROJECT AND THEN, OKAY. ST. JOHN ANI APPLIED FOR TWO SEPARATE APPLICATIONS. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE ZONE CHANGE REQUEST. THAT WAS KIND OF A HOT TOPIC A MONTH OR TWO AGO. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THEY'RE APPRO APPLYING TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO EXPAND THEIR FOOD PANTRY. WHO DO THEY NEED TO ST. JOHN ANI BECAUSE THEY'RE AT A, THEY'RE A RE RELIGIOUS USE IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE. OH. SO THEY NEED A CAP TO MAKE. OKAY. SO THAT COME IN ON JANUARY 6TH. THAT WILL BE IN AT THE JANUARY MEETING. WILL THERE BE PIZZA ? NO. NO. IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT THOUGH. IT'S JUST ABOUT, IT'S A COP, NOT A ZONE CHANGE. YEAH, IT'S NOT A ZONE CHANGE. SO I JUST, I KNOW IN THE COMMUNITY THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, THEY HAVE, THIS IS NOT THE ZONE CHANGE. OKAY. JUST FOR ANYONE WATCHING OUT THERE. WE ARE NOT BRINGING THE ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION AT THIS TIME. IT'S STILL IN THE REVIEW, ALL THAT PROCESS. BUT I CONDITIONALLY USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THEM TO BUILD A SLIGHTLY LARGER FOOD PANTRY WILL BE COMING TO YOU IN JANUARY. AND WE'RE OFFICIALLY ONE [03:10:01] MEETING A MONTH. YES. OH YES. YEAH. CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THAT CHANGE TO YOUR RULES AND PROCEDURES. SO THE FIRST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH'S, YOUR ONLY REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING. OF COURSE, IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, WE'LL POST A, AN AGENDA 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE. , GOOD MEETING. OKIE DOKIE. YOU GET TO CLOSE THE MEETING. YEP. CLOSE THE MEETING AT, AT, LET'S SEE, WHICH CAN I SEE WITHOUT GLASSES? 7 49. 7:49 PM THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I GOT SEVEN 50. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.