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YOURSELVES,[Historic Preservation on December 8, 2025.]
OKAY.ALL THIS MEETING OF THE CITY OF STONE, SEDONA, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO ORDER FOUR O'CLOCK.
UH, IF YOU GUYS WOULD, UH, JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALL ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ANNOUNCEMENTS AND SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
YOU GRABBING THE MIC? YOU GOT SOMETHING? I HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ON YOUR AGENDA.
AND APPARENTLY I CAN'T TOUCH THE MIC, BUT WE WERE INFORMED AT THE END OF LAST WEEK THAT WE WERE AWARDED THE GRANT FROM THE STATE, UM, TO, UM, MATCH THE, THE FUNDING THE CITY HAS SET ASIDE TO UPDATE THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY.
SO WE'LL BE WORKING ON GETTING THAT GRANT ACCEPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND MOVING FORWARD WITH, UM, PUTTING OUT AN RFP FOR THAT CONSULTANT.
UM, THAT PROBABLY ANSWERS MY TWO QUESTIONS I WAS GONNA HAVE THAT YOU CAN'T ANSWER ANYWAY.
RIGHT?
IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, SO YEAH, WE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT ON LIKE LATE THURSDAY AFTERNOON, SO GOOD.
UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU IN THIS THAT IS UNRELATED TO THAT.
UM, IS THE MEDU RIGBY HOUSE BACK UP.
SO THE PROPERTY WHERE THAT HOUSE IS, IS ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA FOR TOMORROW FOR CONSIDERATION OF A ZONE CHANGE REQUEST.
UM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION, BUT CITY COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER IT TOMORROW AFTERNOON.
UM, IS THIS AN APPEAL OF THE EARLIER DECISION? NO, IT'S, SINCE IT'S A ZONE CHANGE, IT'S, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WAS A RECOMMENDATION AND CITY COUNCIL MAKES THE FINAL DECISION.
WILL THAT CHANGE AS OF JANUARY 1ST? NO.
STILL GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
ANY OTHER DO YOU WANT US TO, DO YOU WANT SOMEBODY THERE REPRESENTING OUR POSITION THAT WE VOTED ON SEVERAL MONTHS AGO? REMEMBER WE, WE SAID THAT IT, WE THOUGHT IT WAS AN INTEGRAL PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT SHOULD BE KEPT IF IT COULD BE WORKED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA TO ASSIGN ANYBODY FOR THAT, BUT, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE LETTER, YOU KNOW, THE LETTER THAT THE COMMISSION SENT WAS PART OF THEIR PACKET AND THE COMMISSION'S CONCERNS WERE BROUGHT UP IN THE AGENDA.
PROOF OF THE MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 10TH, 2025.
EVERYBODY GET A CHANCE TO LOOK THOSE OVER? YES.
ANY AMENDMENTS, CHANGES? ADDITION SUBTRACTIONS.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AGENDA.
THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO A RS 38 DASH 4 31 0.01 H, ACTION TAKEN AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO DIRECTING STAFF TO STUDY THE MATTER, RESPONDING TO ANY CRITICISM OR SCHEDULING THE MATTER FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
UH, THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM AND MOVE ON TO REGULAR BUSINESS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING A REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE HISTORIC PRESERVATIONS ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE PAST YEAR.
UM, BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION, THIS IS THE DISCUSSION THAT STARTED LAST FALL, UH, WHEN COUNSEL ASKED US TO COME UP AND, UM, ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT HPC DOES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND, UM, THEY ASKED THAT, UM, WE REVISIT THE TOPIC IN A YEAR.
UM, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THE HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR THE LAST MEETING IN JANUARY.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO JANUARY 13TH.
SO JANUARY 13TH, FIRST MEETING IN JAN.
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JAN, YEAH.AND THAT'S FOR ALL OF US TO ATTEND, OR SHOULD I THINK YOU SHOULD.
JANUARY 13TH AT WHAT TIME? UH, IT'S, THE MEETING STARTS AT FOUR 30.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA.
UM, SO THE, THE AGENDA WOULD BE PUBLISHED.
YEAH, THE AGENDA WOULD COME OUT ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE.
AND SO, UH, COMMISSIONER EGNER VOLUNTEERED TO PUT TOGETHER A WHITE PAPER, UH, LISTING THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS, UM, OF THE HPC IN THE LAST YEAR, UM, AND SHARING, YOU KNOW, POINTING OUT TO COUNSEL WHAT, WHAT IT IS COUNCIL OR, UH, HPC DOES.
UM, HOW WE DO IT, WHY WE DO IT.
JUST SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND, THIS IS JUST MY VERSION OF IT.
SINCE WE CAN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER AND SINCE I COULDN'T PASS THIS AROUND TO EACH OTHER, SO I THINK NOW'S THE TIME FOR EACH OF US TO LOOK AT IT.
AND I GUESS AT OUR NEXT MEETING, BRING BACK CHANGE OR TALK TO 'EM HERE, OR NO, WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING IS THAT WE HAVE TO FINALIZE WHAT YOU WANNA PRESENT.
UM, 'CAUSE THE AGENDA BILL FOR THAT IS DUE AT THE END OF NEXT WEEK.
UM, AND SO IN YOUR PACKET, YOU HAD KIND OF, I DID THE UPDATES FOR SOME OF THE, THE NUMBERS AND THAT SUMMARY, UM, THE PAPER THAT, UM, VICE CHAIR SE WAS WHAT WAS PASSED OUT TO YOU RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING.
SO, AND YOU WENT OVER THIS AND ADDED YOUR THOUGHTS.
YOU DON'T HAVE IT HERE? AND DOES HE NEITHER.
AND IT WAS THE PAPER THAT I PASSED OUT RIGHT.
I JUST WATCHED HER PASS IT OUT TO YOU.
I WAS JUST THAT'S THE ONE THERE.
OH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING.
NO, YOU WERE LOOKING FOR THE, I WAS LOOKING FOR WHAT WE'VE DONE THE AGENDA.
DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANNA GO THROUGH IT LINE BY LINE AND WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT IT, I GUESS? SURE.
NO, I'M TAKE OVER FROM THE CHAIR.
WELL, IT'S BASICALLY, TELL US WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.
IT'S BASICALLY, I HAVE TO REMEMBER I DID IT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, HAS THESE DEPARTMENTS AND AREAS THAT THEY HAVE TO OVERSEE, BUT THEY DON'T GET A BUNCH OF INPUT.
AND SO THEY ASK THEMSELF, I'M SURE ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS COMMISSION DO? UM, SO I THINK, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS LET'S PUT TOGETHER A WHITE PAPER.
SOMETHING THAT'LL TELL THEM ON A YEARLY BASIS WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED AND WHERE WE'D LIKE TO GO.
SO IN THE INTRODUCTION AND BACKGROUND IS BASICALLY, UH, REQUESTING DISCUSSION REGARDING THE FUTURE AND PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
THE WHITE PAPER PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, HISTORY, CONTEXT, SCOPE OF WORK, AND RECENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE COMMISSION TO SUPPORT, UH, COUNCIL DELIBERATIONS.
SEDONA IS REQUIRED UNDER THE ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES AND FEDERAL CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT STANDARDS TO MAINTAIN A HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
AND I THINK I'D LIKE TO STOP THERE FOR A SEC.
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT, THAT THEY REALLY CAN'T GET RID OF US.
UH, SO THIS IS IMPORTANT THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT THEY NEED OUR COMMISSION TO BE CERTIFIED AS ACL G.
UM, UM, PROTECT AND DESIGN HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
SEDONA ADOPTED SUCH A FRAMEWORK, UH, RESOLUTION, WHICH FORMALLY ESTABLISHED ARTICLE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS ANYMORE.
XV, UH, ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE GOVERNING HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AND THEN THE RESOLUTIONS DOWN BELOW ARE JUST THE LIST OF THE RESOLUTIONS THAT WE WERE PERMITTED UNDER.
AND SO THIS IS ALL THE STATE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE MEET.
AND THEN AT THE VERY BOTTOM, WE COME UP WITH THE CONCLUSIONS.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION PLAYS A VITAL STATUTORY, STATUTORY AND COMMUNITY ROLE IN DOCUMENTING, PRESERVING, PROMOTING SEDONAS CULTURAL HERITAGE.
IT'S ACTIVITIES ARE NOT, UH, OPTIONAL.
THEY ARE MANDATED BY STATE LAW.
AND BY S SEDONA LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES AND BY THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY MADE WHEN OBTAINING CERTIFICATE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT STATUS, THE COMMISSION HAS DEMONSTRATED THE RESPONSIBLE SUIT STEWARDSHIP, OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY, MEANINGFUL PROCESS ON CITY PRESERVATION GOALS.
THE ONGOING WORK ENSURES THAT SEDONAS HISTORIC, UH, HISTORIC PLACES IN EARLY HOME AND EARLY HOMESTEADS, MID-CENTURY ARCHITECTURE, LOCAL LANDMARKS AND COMMUNITY OUTCOMES ARE PROTECTED.
THEN I THINK WE SHOULD ADD WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
ALL THE LIST OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND WHAT WE HAVE IN THE BIN THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
AND THEN WE WOULD ATTACH, UH, THE
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HISTORY, SOME PICTURES, UH, AND THEN THE WORK WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH TO, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, TO GET TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE DO.
AND THEN THEY'LL GET IN THE WEEDS AND ASK US QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT COMMISSIONER? NO.
COMMISSIONER SEGMENT'S REPORT HERE.
STRIKE THAT FROM THE RECORD, PLEASE.
UM, I WOULD JUST ADD ONE MORE THING UNDER THE, UM, THE SECTION, I, I THINK IT'S SECTION SEVEN KEY POINTS FOR COUNSEL.
UM, NO, I'M SORRY, WRONG SECTION.
UM, SOMEWHERE IN HERE THERE'S A LIST OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS OVER THE LAST YEAR, AND THAT'S NOT IN THIS, I DIDN'T SEE YOU HAVE, WHERE IS THIS SECTION SIX RECENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE THIRD PAGE? YES.
YEAH, THE BOTTOM OF PAGE THREE.
UM, SO IT LISTS OUT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SURVEYS COMPLETED.
FIELD AND SITE BASED ACTIVITIES COMMISSIONED ADMINISTRATION.
UM, I BELIEVE WE'VE, UH, ACCEPTED A, A LANDMARK NOMINATION FOR THE TALL AND THE SADDLE HOUSE.
UM, AND SO THAT'LL BE IN PROCESS AS WE, UM, GO TO THIS HEARING.
SO WHEN THE TIME COMES, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S PART OF THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, THAT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT ONE, 'CAUSE IT'S THIS LIST RIGHT HERE, WE NEED TO ADD ONE MORE TO IT.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY ON THAT ONE, WE DID RECEIVE THE APPLICATION, IT IS CURRENTLY INCOMPLETE.
COMMISSIONER STUPAC GAVE ME SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TONIGHT.
UM, SO WE'LL BE LOOKING THROUGH THAT.
I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A COUPLE MORE THINGS THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO OFFICIALLY MOVE IT FORWARD, BUT, UM, IT WILL BE THAT WE KIND OF, IT'S LIKE ALMOST A COMPLETE APPLICATION, I THINK.
I I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO PUT IN THERE SOMEPLACE THAT WE, THE MEETINGS WE HAD THIS YEAR THAT ON THE PROPERTY ABOUT THE, UH, THE ADOBE HOUSE, WE, WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR TO THE P AND Z.
SO THE P AND Z RECOMMENDATIONS I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT.
WE ALSO MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO, UM, THE CITY REGARDING THE BREWER ROAD PROPERTY, A BATHROOM THAT WE, WE VOTED AGAINST.
UM, MIGHT AS WELL BRING THAT UP AGAIN AND, UH, YEAH.
I ALSO NOTICED THAT, UM, WE HAD ISSUED A CERTIFICATE OF NO EFFECT ON THE ARTWORK THAT WAS PUT IN NEXT TO THE APPLE BARN AT THE MUSEUM.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING I, I SHOULD HAVE REMEMBERED THAT
UM, I, THAT WAS ISSUED BY STAFF, WHICH IS YES.
'CAUSE I COULDN'T PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
THAT WAS IN THE SUMMARY THAT I HAD PROVIDED IN THE PACKET.
SO WE DID INCLUDE THE JORDAN RANCH, APPLE TURNOVER STATUE AS WHAT'S BEEN DONE THIS YEAR.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE I, WE ADD IN THERE? ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS, UH, ENUMERATE THE PAGES.
'CAUSE THEY'RE FRONT AND BACK AND SOMEBODY SAYS, OH, PAGE TWO, THEY CAN FIND THAT QUICKLY.
AND ON THE LIST, UM, WHICH AT THE TIME, LEMME GO BACK TO THIS, UM, I SUPPOSE WE SHOULD ADD THE LEGACY RANCH, WHICH WAS SURVEYED AT THE SITE.
WERE THREE QUARTERS THROUGH THE SURVEY OR WHATEVER.
'CAUSE THAT SHOULD BE ON THE SURVEY.
THEN CARRIE, WHEN THEY DO THIS, CAN WE DO SOME OVERHEADS OF THE PRODUCT, THE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE ALL BEEN DONE, WE CAN KIND OF SHOW YEAH.
IF YOU HAVE PICTURES OF THEM MM-HMM
WE CAN INCORPORATE THEM INTO THE PRESENTATION.
AND SO WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE LEGACY RANCH, IS THAT WHERE THE TALL AND THE SADDLE HOUSE IS? THAT'S CORRECT.
ON THE SADDLE HOUSE IS ON THE LIST.
AND YOU HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH ON THE BACK OF THAT PAGE.
THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF IT AND, UH, IT'S DOWN, UH, BACK AND BEYOND.
BUT WE'LL ADD TO ISLAND HOUSE SLASH LEGACY RANCH.
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IS THE OWNER AWARE THAT IT IS CALLED LEGACY RANCH? DID NOT RECOGNIZE THAT.THE REASON I NEED, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT.
THAT'S WHAT THE CURRENT, HER MEAN, UH, PETERSON CALLS IT THE LEGACY RANCH.
THAT IS HER TITLE FOR HER ACREAGE AND HER RANCH.
SHE DIDN'T, SHE DIDN'T RECOGNIZE IT WHEN I TALKED TO HER.
SO THE DAUGHTER KNEW THE DAUGHTER AND THE DAUGHTER IS VERY INVOLVED IN, WE'VE IN THE DISCUSSIONS AND STUFF, SO IT'S OKAY.
BUT, UM, YEAH, SHE, UM, I ASKED HER, WHAT DO YOU CALL THE RANCH? SHE SAID LEGACY RANCH, BUT YET IT IS BACK AND BEYOND.
IT IS 33 ACRES OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUILDINGS AND HOUSES AND THINGS.
SO THE ONLY ONE WE'RE CONCERNED WITH IS THE ONE THAT WAS USED IN THE FILMING OF TOM THE SADDLE WITH JOHN WAYNE, 1944.
AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT IS GOING FORWARD.
SO JUST, GEEZ, I NEED STOP TOUCHING THIS MICROPHONE.
UM, JUST FOR CONSISTENCY, UM, I'LL PROBABLY GO THROUGH AND ADD ADDRESSES TO EACH ONE OF THE THINGS ON THE LIST THERE.
UM, JUST IN CASE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE NAMES OF.
SO I, I'LL PROBABLY ENHANCE THAT LIST A LITTLE BIT.
UM, MIGHT EVEN DO SOME KIND OF MAPPED, SHOWING WHERE SOME OF THE PROPERTIES ARE.
BECAUSE ON THE ACTUAL SURVEY FORM IS ALL THE OWNERS AND ADDRESSES, IT'S ALL COMPLETE ON THOSE FORMS. YEAH.
IT'S JUST, BUT UH, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA AND IT'S JUST AN EXPERIENCE.
AND WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU CALL STUFF BY BUILDING NAMES IN FIVE YEARS, PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE NAME ANYMORE AND WE'RE GONNA CONFUSE FUTURE PEOPLE.
SO WE'LL JUST, YEAH, I'LL ADD SOME INFORMATION INTO THAT.
YOU, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT IS GSI OR GISI DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE.
UM, BUT, UH, WE HAD MAPS AT ONE TIME WHERE WE HAD 'EM ALL ON A MAP AND YOU COULD SEE, AND THEY WERE DONE IN DIFFERENT COLORS BY AGE, WHICH REALLY WAS KIND OF COOL.
'CAUSE WE COULD SEE THIS WAS GREEN AND THAT KIND OF SETTLED IN THE FORTIES AND YELLOWS WAS SETTLED IN THE FIFTIES AND YOU GOT A FEEL FOR THE CITY AND HOW IT DEVELOPED.
UH, AND IT'D BE NICE IF WE COULD TAKE ALL OF THESE AND DROP 'EM ON A MAP AND IF WE COULD DROP 'EM IN BY COLOR, BY AGE 10 YEAR SPACES, YOU KNOW, BEFORE 1920 WOULD BE X.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ALL PROPERTIES IN SEDONA OR JUST THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN LANDMARKED? NO, JUST THE, THE ONES WE'VE DESIGNATED.
IF WE COULD PUT THEM, WE PUT THAT UP ON A SLIDE, THEY CAN SAY THERE'S WHAT WE'VE DONE, ALL THE COMMISSIONS HAVE DONE.
I'VE BEEN ON IT 10 YEARS I THINK.
BUT IT'S REALLY INTERESTING WHEN YOU SEE THE COLORS AND WHERE THEY'RE KIND OF, THERE'S UPTOWN AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHEN UPTOWN WAS DONE, THEN YOU SEE GRASSHOPPER FLATS AND IT WAS DONE AT ANOTHER TIME.
SO YES, WE CAN TALK TO OUR GIS PERSON ABOUT, MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GET THAT TOGETHER FOR THE CITY COUNCIL STUFF.
'CAUSE THAT'S PRETTY QUICK TURNAROUND, BUT WE CAN START LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR HOW WE PRESENT MAYBE FOR JANUARY 13TH.
WELL, DOES THE, DOES THE SLIDESHOW HAVE TO BE COMPLETED NEXT WEEK? NO.
WE JUST CAN'T HAVE LIKE A LOT OF EXTRA, THEY, YOU CAN'T BE PRESENTING NEW INFORMATION IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE CAN BE YEAH.
DISPLAYED IN A LITTLE DIFFERENT WAY.
I SHOULD JUST SUPPLEMENT ANYWAY.
HEY, UM, CARRIE, CAN I ASK YOU TO DOUBLE CHECK SOMETHING REAL QUICK? MM-HMM
UH, NOT ON THE SPOT HERE, BUT IN PREPARATION, UM, ARTICLE 15, UH, IN, IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT WAS IN, NO, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE, I KNOW IT'S 8.7 NOW, BUT WAS IT 15 BEFORE IT WAS ARTICLE 15? IT WAS ARTICLE 15, YEAH.
SO WE'RE WE'RE CORRECT IN SAYING THAT IT WAS ARTICLE 15 AND IT'S YES, BUT I'LL DOUBLE CHECK IT JUST TO MAKE SURE.
SAME WITH THE STA THE RESOLUTION.
I, I FEEL LIKE I'VE LOOKED FOR THAT BEFORE AND I HAVEN'T FOUND IT.
LIKE IT'S NOT LISTED ON THE CITY RESOLUTION WHAT PAGE OR IT WASN'T WHEN I LOOKED.
YEAH, WE USUALLY DON'T HAVE LETTERS, SO I'LL, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE A COMES JUST FOR ACCURACY.
DOES THE COMMISSION FEEL, UM, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE AMENDMENTS WE'VE MADE HERE? UM, FEEL COMFORTABLE SENDING THAT TO COUNSEL FOR THE DISCUSSION? I DO THINK SO, YES.
UH, I THINK, I THINK STAFF SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADD WHATEVER SHE FEELS WERE BEST AND KIND OF GIVE A STAFF POINT OF VIEW WOULD BE GOOD TOO.
AND THEN THIS WILL BE SUBMITTED BEFORE WITH THE PACKET NEXT WEEK, RIGHT? YEAH.
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VERSION.SO WE'LL DO A BRIEF AGENDA BILL.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS AS YOU, YOU KNOW, WAKE UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND HAVE DREAMT ABOUT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, IT WON'T HAPPEN.
UM, JUST, OH, COMMISSIONER FEENEY.
SO LIKE I SAID, I'VE FORGOTTEN APPLE TURNOVER, EVEN THOUGH I LOOK AT IT EVERY DAY.
SO IF YOU FORGET ABOUT OR YOU REMEMBER SOMETHING, UM, THE AGENDA BILL IS DUE AT NOON NEXT THURSDAY.
SO WE HAVE ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF LEFT.
UM, HAVE WE, THAT'S THE THING THAT'S THE 18TH SOLIDIFIED ANY, THE 18TH PROJECTS COMING UP FOR THIS NEXT YEAR.
UM, SO I THINK THE BIG ONE RIGHT NOW WILL BE, SO WE'LL UPDATE THE SECTION ABOUT THE GRANT FUNDING.
UM, AND I THINK THAT ACTUALLY MIGHT BE ON THEIR AGENDA TO, WE'LL HAVE TO, CITY COUNCIL HAS TO ACCEPT THE GRANT.
SO, UM, YEAH, I, THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING I WANT CLARIFICATION ON.
AND SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE, UH, TIED TO THIS MM-HMM
UH, CAN I ASK WHAT'S THE, THE CITY'S PROCESS IN RECEIVING A GRANT? I, I AM LEARNING THAT.
I KNOW THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO ACCEPT IT.
AND SO TALKED WITH TONY, WHO'S OUR NEW COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
HE WAS HOPING HE COULD BE HERE, BUT HE HAS TO MEET WITH A COUPLE CITY COUNSELORS.
UM, AND JUST MAKING SURE WE CHECK ALL THOSE BOXES TO GET THAT.
BUT THAT, UM, I THINK WE HAD, AS PART OF THE GRANT APPLICATION, WE HAD SAID THAT, UM, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE GOING THROUGH THE RFP AND SELECTING A CONSULTANT MM-HMM
UM, WITHIN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2026.
SO WE HAVE A COUPLE MONTHS TO MEET THE SCHEDULE THAT AND PROCUREMENT TAKES CARE OF.
WE'LL, WE'LL WORK WITH THEM TO DO THE RFP.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT, TO BRING IT BACK TO THIS AGENDA ITEM TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON TOPIC, UM, I WILL UPDATE THAT SECTION OF THIS TO MAKE SURE, HOPEFULLY BY NEXT WEEK I'LL HAVE MORE DETAILS ON WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE AS WELL.
AND WOULD YOU WANT ME, IF I GOT THIS DONE LIKE BY MONDAY TO SEND OUT A FINAL DRAFT? YEAH, YEAH.
I'M SURE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD AS WELL.
AND SINCE WE CAN'T TALK WITH EACH OTHER, UM, YOU MAKE THE DECISION 'CAUSE WE CAN'T, WELL, YOU CAN RESPOND TO ME, UM, TO MAKE SURE IF I, IF YOU'VE, AGAIN, IF YOU THINK OF ANYTHING, IF YOU, IF I SEND YOU A DRAFT AND THERE'S SOMETHING THAT STANDS OUT, JUST DO NOT RESPOND TO THE ENTIRE COMMISSION.
SO YEAH, THAT, THANK YOU FOR COMMISSION OR, UH, SEGMENTER FOR, UM, PUTTING THAT TOGETHER.
THANK YOU TO CARRIE FOR, UH, CARRYING THE WATER AND EDITING IT AND, UM, VERY GOOD.
LOOKING FORWARD TO A GOOD DISCUSSION ON THE, UH, 13TH.
DID WE MEET AGAIN BEFORE THEN? UM, YOU NEXT MEETING WILL BE ON THE 12TH.
WE'D BE SCHEDULED FOR THE 12TH.
I GUESS WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHETHER WE NEED TO MEET THAT DAY
THE GRANT MIGHT DICTATE THAT TOO.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AT THE END OF IT.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ONE? WHEN WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO START TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE TYPE OF WORKLOAD THAT WE MIGHT BE ANTICIPATING FOR THE NEXT YEAR? I'M, I'M THINKING SPECIFICALLY OF, UH, THE MID-CENTURY MODERN STUFF.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BEING QUEUED UP AT THIS POINT.
SO WHAT'S OUR, WHAT'S OUR NEW DATE NOW? 19 50, 19 75.
THAT'S STILL A FEW YEARS AWAY.
1970S WAS BAD CARS TOO AND BAD HOMES.
IT OPENS UP, IT OPENS UP ANOTHER WINDOW.
I'M, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE NECESSARILY HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE COMPLETION.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE COMPLETION OF, OF THE NEW SURVEY FOR THAT.
UM, I THINK WE CAN BE ACCUMULATING DATA AND, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW LIKE YOUR DAD'S UM, YOUR DAD'S HOUSE, YOU KNOW, AND WHETHER THAT GOES OR NOT, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE MID-CENTURY ONES THAT, UM, IS STARTING TO STACK UP.
AND SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO WAIT FOR THE END OF THAT.
LIKE, IF YOU'VE GOT ONE IN MIND, ARE WE ON THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM AT THIS POINT? OR, I DON'T KNOW.
I, I THINK THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING
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ON, UH, WHAT THE COUNCIL MIGHT LIKE TO KNOW.COUNCIL IS GONNA WANNA KNOW WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON FOR THE FUTURE, SO.
AND, AND THE, UH, THE HOUSE THAT BOBBY BROUGHT UP IS, IS REALLY VERY GOOD NOW.
THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET TOO.
AND I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND FOR MID-CENTURY, UH, MODERN.
THERE IS A PUBLICATION THAT THE CITY OF PHOENIX'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, UH, HAS COME UP WITH FOR MID-CENTURY MODERN.
AND IT'S, IT'S A COLOR, UH, BOOK.
AND THEY GIVE US A LOT OF CLUES.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION WILL COME UP FROM COUNCIL.
SO WHAT IS, WHAT ARE WE LOOK AT MOVING FORWARD? AND I THINK WE CAN MAKE THE POINT THAT WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF MID-CENTURY MODERN HOUSES.
UM, THERE'S HECK OF A LOT MORE.
SOME OF 'EM ON OUR RADAR, SOME OF 'EM NOT YET.
UM, BUT, UM, THAT'S, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF THAT IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
COME, UH, COME DUE, SO TO SPEAK.
SEVEN ARCHES IS COMING UP TOO.
SEVEN ARCHES IS COMING UP, IT'S, YEAH.
I'M NOT GONNA SAY WHERE NOW WE CAN ALSO DESIGNATE HOMES THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT AND HAD SIGNIFICANT BACKGROUND HISTORY OR BUILDERS.
DOES YOUR DAD HAVE A HOME IN THE SEVENTIES? YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD LIKE TO THINK ABOUT AS BEING REPRESENTATIVE OF HIS, OF HIS WORK? WELL, I'VE GOT A LIST OF ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE, BUT I HAVEN'T LOOKED BACK AT HIM IN A WHILE.
BOBBY, CAN YOU MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK TO THE MICROPHONE? THE, THE LIST I LOOKED AT JUST HIT THE DEADLINE.
THERE'S ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
YEAH, I THINK WE LOOK, I DON'T, I THINK YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL NOT TO HAVE TOO MANY.
SO WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO GET THE ONES THAT ARE THE BEST REPRESENTATIVE? MM-HMM
SO, UH, I HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED BACK AT THAT.
SO, BUT I, I COULD DO IN THAT LITTLE LIST, I CAN LIKE EARMARK ONE OR TWO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I, I THINK TO THE BROADER POINT OF LIKE, WHAT'S, WHAT ARE WE GONNA TELL COUNCIL WE'RE WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, WE'VE IDENTIFIED SPECIFICALLY SOME DON WOODS HOMES THAT ARE UH, UM, ELIGIBLE AND, AND UM, YEAH.
JOHN WOOD PROBABLY DESIGN GROUP.
MAYBE EVEN THEY'RE GETTING THERE.
STEVE, CAN YOU GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO YOUR MICROPHONE? THEY'RE TALKING TO THE MICROPHONE AND DESIGN GROUP.
WE ALL KNOW 'EM, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN KEEP ON THE AGENDA.
I'LL CHECK WITH THE DESIGN GROUP AND SEE WHAT THEY HAVE MAYBE IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME THAT UH, MAYBE THEY WANNA PUT UP.
WELL THERE'S ALSO THE WHOLE ROAD ME ROAD.
THAT'S A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, DOZEN HOMES THERE.
WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL THOSE AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER IN THE PAST AND A COUPLE PEOPLE HAVE LET US, YOU KNOW, COME IN AND LOOK AT IT AND WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT INVOLVED WITH A COUPLE, BUT GOOD.
YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE INTERESTING HOUSES.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE OFF AGENDA HERE, BUT OF COURSE WE ARE.
ANYTHING ELSE WITH THE COUNCIL PRESENTATION THAT ANYONE WANTS TO GET OFF? UH, OKAY.
SO CAN I SUMMARIZE MY NOTES JUST TO SEE IF I MISSED ANYTHING? I HAVE, VERIFY ALL OF THE NUMBERS THAT ARE IN HERE AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALL ACCURATE.
UM, I HAVE THAT I WILL ADD SOME DETAILS TO THE, UM, SURVEYS THAT WERE COMPLETED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE LIKE PARCEL NUMBERS OR ADDRESSES SOMETHING JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A CONSISTENT WAY OF IDENTIFYING THEM.
UM, ADDING IN THE RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGARDING THE RIGBY HOUSE ADDING.
AND THIS WOULD BE UNDER COMMISSION ADMINISTRATION, UM, ADDING IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE BATHROOM AT THE RANGER STATION PARK, UM, ADDING IN A NOTE ABOUT THE CERTIFICATE OF NO EFFECT FOR THE APPLE TURNOVER STATUE.
AND THEN ADD A SECTION ABOUT WHAT IS BEING WORKED ON FOR THE NEXT YEAR, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, BEGINNING TO SURVEY THINGS UP TO 1975, INCLUDING MID-CENTURY MODERN HOUSES, POTENTIALLY THE SEVEN ARCHES HOUSES AND THEN DON WOODS AND DESIGN GROUP DESIGNED HOMES FROM THAT TIME PERIOD.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY? WELL I JUST ADD THE AND MEDO HOUSES PLEASE.
YEAH, I'D LIKE THAT ADDED ON THERE TO THAT POINT.
UM, WE TALKED TO THE MEDO PEOPLE 10 YEARS AGO.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY WE SHOULDN'T REALLY CONTACT THEM AGAIN 'CAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY EVEN NEW OWNERS.
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YEAH.SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
IT DOESN'T HURT TO GO BACK TO A PROPERTY AND, UM, WE MIGHT LOOK TO SEE IF WE HAVE SOME PAPERWORK ON MAD IN THE FILES THAT WE, OUR OLD SURVEYS THAT DIDN'T GET APPROVED, MAYBE WE CAN GO BACK TO THOSE PEOPLE AGAIN.
AT THAT TIME THEY DID NOT WANT A DISTRICT AND WEREN'T INTERESTED IN LANDMARKING AS I RECALL.
SO, YEAH, BECAUSE WHEN I, WHEN I WENT UP THERE IN THE EARLY 1990S, UH, AND THE, SOME OF THE HOMES HAVE HAD SOME CHANGES SINCE THAT TIME, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE NEED TO HAVE ON THE RADAR.
ANYTHING? ONE MORE, ONE LAST THING.
I'LL UPDATE THE GRANTS AND PRESERVATION FUNDING SECTION TO REFLECT THE GRANT AWARD.
UM, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING ONGOING UPDATES TO HISTORIC SURVEYS AND POTENTIAL LANDMARKS.
UH, I KNOW WE HAVE SOME NEWS ON ONE.
WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, COMMISSIONER STUPAC, DO YOU WANNA? YES.
UM, JACK AND I WENT OUT TO THE, UM, BACK OF BEYOND ADDRESS TO THE RANCH THAT IS OWNED BY HERME PETERSON.
AND, UH, THAT WAS SURVEYED AND IT WILL, IF AND EVERYTHING GOES GOOD, IT WILL BE THE ONLY MOVIE SET LEFT INTACT AND IN GOOD SHAPE.
AND, UM, IT WAS FOR TALL ON THE SADDLE.
THE, UH, BUILDING WAS MOVED PROBABLY INTACT BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT LOOKS NOW.
IT'S DONE PLINK STYLE AND IF ANYBODY LOOKS AT SOME OF THE OLD WESTERN MOVIES FROM THE FORTIES AND STUFF, THAT'S HOW THEY BUILT THE SETS.
EITHER A SHIP LOCK KIND OF THING.
AND HERME PETERSON IS THRILLED TO HAVE SIGNED THE PERMISSION TO GO AHEAD TO LAND MARKET.
SHE'S VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
AND UH, GENERALLY TREASURES THAT SITE SHE HAS MADE INTO A LITTLE MUSEUM IN THE INTERIOR, UH, POSTERS TO JOHN WAYNE.
AND, UH, MY, MY BELIEF, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS BROUGHT DOWN FROM ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION, UH, WHICH WAS UP ON SCHLEY HILL TO THE RANCH THAT IS ON BACK OF BEYOND AROUND 1954 AND WHAT ITS USE WAS.
THE ONLY THING I CAN FIGURE OUT IS PROBABLY FOR STAFF OR SOMETHING, MAYBE A, A FOUR MINUTE OR SOMETHING.
BUT, UH, HE'S IN GOOD SHAPE, EXCELLENT SHAPE AND, UM, I'M VERY PLEASED TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SUBMIT TO THE CITY FOR AND TO THE, UH, COMMISSION FOR A LANDMARK.
AND SHE, LIKE I SAY, HERME PETERSON IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
AND, UM, SHE DIDN'T EVEN WANNA READ ANYTHING.
SHE SAID, WHERE DO I SIGN? WHERE DO I SIGN
SO WE WILL HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD AND I DID NOT TELL HER IT WAS GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
DID I BRING IT OVER? DID YOU BRING THE COLOR? I'VE GOT ONE.
DO YOU HAVE ONE? IF YOU DO, I'D LOVE IT.
I DO, BUT I DID YOU GET IT? COPY? NOPE, IT'S NOT COVERED.
OH, I HAVE IT IN, I THINK I'VE GOT IT HOME.
BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I'LL DROP IT BY THE OFFICE.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'D BE GREAT.
I JUST WANTED TO GET ONE IN THE THING.
I HAVE FOUR THREE, I GOT THREE PHOTOS.
I'LL DROP IT BY WITH YOUR NAME ON IT AND BRING IT TO THE, IF I DON'T HAVE IT IN THE CAR RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE GONNA BE AROUND FOR A LITTLE WHILE AFTER I THINK IT MIGHT BE IN MY CAR.
AND I DON'T BLAME YOU FOR WANTING COLOR.
JACK DID A REALLY GOOD JOB ON DOING THAT.
BUT, SO WE DO HAVE THAT AND UM, CHURCH OF THE RED ROCKS IS TABLED THE, UH, DESIGNATION ASPECT UNTIL ANOTHER YEAR.
YOU, YOU'LL LANDMARK OR YOU HOPE YOU LANDMARK AND YOU SURVEY AND MM-HMM
WELL, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT THAT THE CITY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T HIT HOME RUNS.
THERE'S A LOT OF PAPERWORK, A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF, UH, NOS THAT, UM, UM, IT JUST TAKES TIME AND ENERGY AND IT DOES, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LUCKY TO GET A COUPLE MM-HMM
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IS, THIS IS WHY, UH, LOOKING AT THE, UH, SEDONA COMMUNITY CEMETERY, I UNDERSTAND NOW WHY THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING.UM, LANDMARKING IT HAS BEEN SURVEYED, BUT IN THE PAPER, IF YOU NOTICE, THERE THEY ARE WITH THEIR COLUMBARIUM.
I'M THINKING DEPENDING, MAYBE SOMETIME IN 26 I'D LIKE TO APPROACH THEM AGAIN.
MAYBE WE, IT SHOULD BE LANDMARKED.
SO THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO ANYWAY.
SO WE'RE, WE GOT ONE
AND THEN I TALKED TO, TO THIS MORNING, HE'S OUT OF TOWN TILL FEBRUARY.
SO HE COULDN'T DO A SURVEY AT HIS HOUSE.
HE TOLD ME THAT THEY'RE BOTH THINKING, UM, THEY'D LIKE TO TRY TO DO THIS.
THEY HAD A QUESTION AND I DIDN'T HAVE THE ANSWER.
ONCE YOU LANDMARK A BUILDING, CAN YOU DE LANDMARK, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, AND I LOOKING AT THE, WHAT I SAW, YOU REALLY CAN'T OTHER THAN IF IT IS, IN OTHER WORDS, THE OWNER CAN'T JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, I JUST CHANGED MY MIND.
AND PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY ONE I COULD FIND WAS, UH, THAT THE HISTORIC, UH, RESOURCE COULD NOT BE RESTORED, REHABILITATED, STABILIZED, OR RENOVATED FOR ANY USE PERMITTED.
UM, AT THAT POINT, IF, IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN COMMISSIONER CAN SUGGEST THAT IT'S UN LANDMARKED OR AN OWNER.
BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, IF, IF THAT WAS, ANY OF THOSE ITEMS WERE REQUIRED AND IT WAS A DETRIMENT COST WISE FOR THE OWNER.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF HE HAD TO UPGRADE, UPDATE HIS BUILDING, IT'D BE LIKE THE RIGBY HOUSE.
IF THEY SAY, OH, YOU GOTTA UPDATE THAT BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GONNA GET A, UM, HAVE DESIGN REVIEW AND DO ALL THESE NEW BUILDINGS, YOU'VE GOTTA GET THAT RESTORED.
WELL IF IT BECOMES EXPENSIVE FOR HIM, THEN YOU CAN DE LANDMARK.
AND WE USED TO HAVE STAFF I THINK THAT KNEW THE ANSWER.
'CAUSE YEARS AGO WE HAD THAT QUESTION.
AND FOR THE LIFE OF ME, I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME YOU CAN, BUT THERE'S A PROCESS.
IT WOULD JUST BE THE SAME PROCESS.
IT'S THE SAME PROCESS AS BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE SAME KIND OF STEPS ARE JUST KIND OF GOING BACKWARDS, BACKWARDS.
WELL THAT BRINGS UP THE ISSUE AND HOPEFULLY THAT WE CAN WORK WITH ENOUGH PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WE'RE NOT LOSING HISTORIC LANDMARKS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE GOAL OF THE COMMISSION.
WELL THAT ALSO BRINGS UP THE ISSUE OF THE DOODLE BUG RANCH HOUSE.
UH, THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED SO RADICALLY.
UH, I AM WONDERING IF, UH, IT SHOULD KEEP ITS DESIGNATION.
WELL, IT CAN BE RESURVEYED, WE HAVE THAT, WE SHOULD BE RESURVEY ANYWAY GOING BACK AND LOOK AT THE PROPERTIES AND KIND OF UPDATING OUR FILES WITH A COUPLE PICTURES.
AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY, WE SHOULD PUT THAT ON OUR AGENDA FOR NEXT YEAR.
WELL, AND THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WORK OF THE UPDATED SURVEY MM-HMM
THAT WE'LL BE HAVING DONE NEXT YEAR.
YOU KNOW, THAT LET'S, LET'S DO IT.
IT WAS AN IFFY WHEN WE DID IT ANYWAY.
AND UM, THE GAL THAT YEAH, I WAS FRIENDS WITH HER AND FROM WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT, IT HASN'T HAD THAT MUCH CHANGE, BUT WHAT IT WAS FROM THAT.
THE, UH, THAT THEY ADDED A SECOND STORY.
AND THAT, THAT REALLY CHANGED THAT HOUSE.
BUT THAT WAS FRAN BRUNO, THE BRUNOS THAT, SO, OKAY.
TALK ABOUT, JUST TO CONFUSE IT, JUST TO CONFUSE IT EVEN A LITTLE MORE.
SO WE SAY A HOUSE IS ON THE REGISTER AND SOMEHOW THEY GET A PERMIT AND IT DOESN'T COME BACK THROUGH US AND THEY DO A REMODEL, PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL REMODEL.
NOW IT'S DECOMMISSIONED, BUT ON THE FRONT END BEFORE THE REMODEL, IF THE OWNER DIDN'T COME THROUGH US AND GET THAT, UM, WE DON'T DO THE NOTIFICATION THAT IT'S, IT STILL SHOULD BE REGISTERED AND NO HARM.
I THINK IT'S CALLED THE NO HARM CERTIFICATE OF NO EFFECT.
IF THEY, IF THEY SKIP PAST THAT AND SOMEHOW GET THAT REDONE, THEN IT ALMOST IS ON US TO DECOMMISSION IT, BUT IT'S FROM THEM TOO.
IF, IF THAT, THAT MIGHT BE A WAY FOR THEM TO AVOID KEEPING.
WELL THE QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE PUNISHMENT FOR THAT? AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE PUNISHMENT IS.
THE LDC DOESN'T LAY OUT THE PUNISHMENT FOR FAILING TO GO FOR A CERTIFIC GIVE OF NO EFFECT.
AND I MEAN, IT'S ALSO ON, I MEAN, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OFF OF THE AGENDA, BUT, UM,
IF THEY'RE GETTING A PERMIT, STAFF WOULD
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BE CHECKING TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE IT, IT SHOWS ON THE PERMIT WHEN THEY GO FOR A PERMIT THAT THEY HAVE ANOTHER STEP TO GO THROUGH.IF SHE DID, IF THEY DID WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT, WE HAVE A SEPARATE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS FOR THAT.
NOT JUST HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT DO WORK.
WE'LL JUST LOOK AT THAT ON OUR WORK PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET.
BUT THAT, I LOVE THE B CROSBY I, I'LL PUT TO GET THAT INFORMATION.
I DON'T HAVE IT FOR THIS MEETING JUST TO GET, GIVE TO EVERYBODY.
UM, I, I TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS OF IT.
MAYBE I CAN, UM, OF THE PERIODICALS AND SOME OF THE KIND OF FUN HISTORY, BUT IT'S A MID-CENTURY MODERN BUILT THE SAME YEAR THAT, UH, ALBRIGHT'S HOUSE WAS BUILT.
SO THERE'S ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
THE TWO FAMILIES SAID, IS THERE ANY SORT OF, UM, CAN WE HAVE AN INFLUENCE ON THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE IT WAS AN EARLY NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAYBE WE'RE THE FIRST TWO TO BE, UM, REGISTERED MM-HMM
SO THAT BECOMES LIKE, COULD BE INFLUENTIAL AND THEY JUST ASK THE QUESTION.
I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY HAVE COMMENTS DIRECTED TOWARD THAT IN OUR, IN OUR INFORMATION.
SO, UH, I THINK THEY'RE, I THINK THEY'RE TURNING THE CORNER, BOTH OF THEM.
AND I JUST GOTTA GET YOU THE INFORMATION ON THE SECOND ONE TO SEE IF IT MAKES SOME SENSE.
I THINK THEY BOTH GET IT, THAT WE CAN DO THE SURVEY AND THEY'RE NOT MAKING A COMMITMENT.
SO THEY'RE, I THINK THEY'RE BOTH UP FOR THAT.
AND ALSO TOO, SINCE WE SEEM TO HAVE GOTTEN THE GRANT, THOSE, THAT WHOLE BLOCK WOULD BE SURVEYED WITH THE GRANT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THE SAME ILK.
SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT LIKE AN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
CAN'T HAVE THOSE
ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT IN THAT REGARD? WELL, I AM HOPING TO HEAR FROM BLAIR REGARDING STAR MOTEL.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS A CONSORTIUM THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THAT, AND I'M HOPING IN, IN 2026, I'M GONNA KIND OF TALK TO HER AGAIN 'CAUSE SHE, I THINK SHE WOULD LIKE TO, BUT SHE HAD TO GET WITH THE REST MM-HMM
AND SO I'M HOPING TO GET SOMEWHERE WITH THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ONE? OKAY.
UH, FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS. UM, SO WE'RE SCHEDULED TO MEET JANUARY 12TH.
UM, SHOULD WE MEET, SHOULD WE WAIT TO MEET UNTIL AFTER THE HEARING? DO WE WANT ONE LAST, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IMPACT WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE BY HA HOLDING OUR MEETINGS SINCE THE AGENDA'S DUE NEXT WEEK.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN REALLY, LET'S LET'S MEET AFTER AND THEN GET THE FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.
LIKE THE, THE FOLLOWING MONDAY.
LIKE SOMETHING LIKE, YEAH, I LIKE THAT IDEA.
OR DO YOU JUST WANNA, SO IF GO TO FEBRUARY, AND WE HAVEN'T QUITE FIGURED OUT THE PROCESS FOR THE GRANT APPLICATION YET, BUT, UM, WE'D PROBABLY BE DOING THE RFP FAIRLY SOON AFTER, UM, THE COUN IF, YOU KNOW, LET'S ASSUMING CITY COUNCIL ACCEPTS THE GRANT.
SO IT MIGHT JUST BE, UM, WE CANCEL THE JANUARY MEETING AND MEET IN FEBRUARY AND WE'D HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT ALL OF THAT AT THAT TIME.
LET'S PLAN ON NOT MEETING JANUARY 12TH, MEETING REGULARLY IN FEBRUARY.
I THINK THAT, HOWEVER, IF THE GRANT STRICTURES MM-HMM
UM, ARE SUCH THAT WE NEED TO MEET ON JANUARY 12TH TO APPROVE SOMETHING.
UM, LET US KNOW AND WE'LL DO THAT.
BUT, UH, AND THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE'D MEET TO TALK ABOUT.
'CAUSE WE CAN'T, LIKE I SAID, WE CAN'T IMPACT THE DISCUSSION THE NEXT DAY ON THE 13TH ON THE 12TH.
SO, UM, ANY SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE ON THAT.
YEAH, SO IT'S, SO I GUESS THAT WOULD MEAN THE 12TH IS TENTATIVELY CANCELED.
I WILL CONFIRM THAT WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED ANYTHING FROM HPC, UM, FOR THE GRANT.
BUT, UM, AS LONG AS WE DON'T, WE'LL JUST PLAN ON SECOND MONDAY AND FEBRUARY.
UM, AND OF COURSE YOU'RE WELCOME TO ATTEND THE, UM, CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 13TH.
I'LL SEND YOU THAT AGENDA ONCE IT COMES OUT.
SO YOU KNOW WHERE ON THE AGENDA IT'S OKAY.
OH, LET ME ASK YOU IF WE ALL SHOW UP AT THAT COUN AT THAT MEETING, WE'RE OKAY.
ALL IT'S ALREADY A PUBLIC MEETING IT.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, DO WE? OKAY.
WE DON'T HAVE A LAWYER TO, AND WE DON'T HAVE AN, WE CAN JUST, I'LL DESCEND ON KURT'S OFFICE.
THEN I GUESS WE'LL ADJOURN AT 4 45.
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OF ORDER.OH, UH, WE'VE GOT THE FUTURE MEETING DATES AND AGENDA ITEMS AND AGENDA ITEMS. I'M SORRY.
I
AND, UM, I HAVE A LOT OF MATERIAL, BUT I'VE GOT TO PARSE A LOT OF IT IN ORDER TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, UH, I GUESS THE FIRST THING I WOULD ASK IS, UM, I HAVE A STAFF REPORT THAT WAS ISSUED, UH, BY WARREN CAMPBELL BACK IN JUNE OF 2018.
AND IT CONTAINS A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION, SOME OF WHICH I THINK BELONGS IN THE HANDBOOK.
BUT I WAS WONDERING IF SOMEBODY ACTUALLY CREATED A HANDBOOK IN 2018, STEVE MURTI.
AND I THOUGHT MAYBE THEY DID, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY, OTHER THAN THE STAFF REPORT, I DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT.
I WOULD LOVE TO START WITH THAT AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT.
IS THAT, IS THAT ALL COMMISSIONER'S HANDBOOK? NO, NO, JUST THIS WOULD BE JUST OUR HANDBOOK.
BECAUSE I THINK CARRIE MADE IT VERY CLEAR, UH, A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO THAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT, UH, THE CODES AND WHERE WE ARE IN THAT VERSUS GUIDANCE MATERIAL.
AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE GUIDANCE MATERIAL AT THIS POINT AND ALLOWING US TO UPDATE THOSE, THOSE QUEUES.
I'LL LOOK INTO WHETHER, I'LL TRY TO FIND THE LATEST ISSUE, UH, LATEST VERSION OF HPC HANDBOOK.
NOW DATED JULY OF 2008 FOR PRESERVATION DIVISION HANDBOOK.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER
OKAY, NOW I'LL TRY IT AT 4 47.