* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY. [00:00:01] UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME TO [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE] THE CITY OF SEDONA COUNCIL MEETING. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFICIALLY CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 4:30 PM I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYONE TO PLEASE SILENCE THEIR PHONES AND HAVE YOU STAND WITH ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE. AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR BOB HUGGINS, WHO PASSED AWAY RECENTLY, THE FIRST RANGER OF SEDONA. AND AFTER THE MOMENT OF SILENCE, I'M GONNA CALL UP JOSH F FREEMAN, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF OUR PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAM. AND JEAN, OH, I MEAN, AND GREG, UH, CURRENT LEAD OF SEDONA VOLUNTEER RANGERS TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT BOB. SO NOW WE'LL HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND HONOR OF BOB HUGGINS. OKAY, THANK YOU, UH, GREG AND JOSH AND ALL THE RANGERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME UP. THANK YOU FOR THAT MAYOR. AND YES, PARKS AND RECREATION IS VERY HONORED TO PRESENT A MEMORIAL PLAQUE THAT WILL BE IN HONOR OF THE LIFE OF BOB HUGGINS THAT WE'LL PUT AT THE RANGER STATION PARK. UM, BOB MEANT A GREAT AMOUNT TO SEDONA PARKS AND RECREATION STARTING THIS VOLUNTEER RANGER PROGRAM. AND PLEASE TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE LIFE OF BOB FROM CURRENT RANGER GREG STEIN. HI, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF SEDONA PARK RANGERS, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNSELORS FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THE PROGRAM. UM, AS YOU PROBABLY, YOU PROBABLY KNOW, THE FIRST TWO RANGERS ARE BOB AND JUDY HUGGINS. AND, UM, THEY, UM, HAVE HAD STARTED THE PROGRAM ABOUT TWO DECADES AGO. UM, THEY WERE KEY TO THIS. THEY BROUGHT, THEY WERE BOTH, UM, NATIONAL PARKS REC, UM, RANGERS, AND THEY BROUGHT THE WHOLE NPS, UM, IDEA CONCEPT TO SEDONA. UM, AFTER LOBBYING THE CITY FOR NEARLY THREE YEARS AND MANY DISCUSSIONS OVER THE INTENT AND THE PROGRAM ITSELF, AND INTERFACING WITH OTHER ENTITIES IN THE AREA AS WELL AS THE US FORESTRY SERVICE, UH, THEY FINALLY, FINALLY FOLLOWED. FINALLY, AGREED UPON THE FOLLOWING. THE CITY PARKS AND RECREATION RANGER PROGRAM WILL PROVIDE PERSONNEL TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CITY'S DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION BY PROVIDING SUPPORT, PROVIDE THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF PROFESSIONAL ASSISTANCE AND INFORMATION SERVICES TO THE VISITORS IN THE UPTOWN AREA, AND PROVIDE PERSONNEL SUPPORT TO COMMUNITY EVENTS. MAINTAIN A HIGHLY TRAINED AND RESPONSIVE GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS PREPARED TO RESPOND TO COMMUNITY EMERGENCIES. SO THAT WAS BASICALLY THE STATUS OF THE PROGRAM. AT THE TIME IT WAS ESTABLISHED THE CITY PARK RANGERS WHO VOLUNTEERED THEIR TIME RIGHT NOW TO WALK VARIOUS CITY PARKS. AND THEY ALSO ASSIST WITH MANY CITY EVENTS HAVE PROVIDED OVER 40,000 HOURS OF OVER THE LAST TWO DAYS OF THE PROGRAM, THE LAST TWO DECADES OF THE PROGRAM, UM, USING THE COMMON, UH, CALCULATION FOR HOW MUCH THAT'S WORTH TO THE CITY. UM, IT COMES OUT TO BE, UH, EXCEEDING ABOUT $700,000 WORTH OF VOLUNTEER TIME THAT, UM, WE HAVE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY OVER THE LAST TWO DECADES. AND THIS IS ALL REALLY BECAUSE OF HOW THE WAY THE PROGRAM WAS SET UP WITH BOB, BOB, AND JUDY. UM, WE ASSIST AT THE TRAILHEAD SHUTTLE STOPS. WE ASSIST TOURISTS BY ANSWERING QUESTIONS, PROVIDING DIRECTIONS. UH, WE SUPPORT THE PUBLIC FUNCTIONS. WE'RE PRE PRESENT THROUGH MOST OF THE CITY, UH, FUNCTIONS AND DO MANY OTHER DUTIES THAT ARE ASSIGNED. UM, THERE IS AN OLD NPS ADAGE, NATIONAL PARK SERVICE ADAGE THAT THE RANGER'S JOB IS TO PROTECT THE RESOURCE FROM THE PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE FROM THE RESOURCE . AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH HOW BOB ESTABLISHED THE PROGRAM. I'M HERE TODAY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE RECOGNITION OF THE PROGRAM, BUT ALSO TO HONOR BOB HUGGINS. BOB ER IS OUR LEADER MENTORING THE NEW CITY PARK RANGERS, SCHEDULING OUR SHIFTS. HE ARRANGED FOR CONTINUED TRAINING. HE ACTED AS A PROGRAM LIAISON WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY, AND HE WAS ALSO OUR CONTACT FOR NON-CITY EVENTS, UM, MOUNTAIN BIKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO HE REALLY WAS THE CENTRAL FOCUS FOR THE PROGRAM AND WE WERE GONNA MISS HIM. UM, BOB PASSED AWAY JUST LATE LAST MONTH DUE TO MEDICAL CONDITIONS. UM, JERRY SHOWALTER, WHO IS IN ONE OF OUR FIRST EARLY RANGERS, SOME OF YOU MIGHT HAVE KNOWN HIM, HE COMMENTED BOB WAS CONSISTENTLY EXCEPTIONAL, CARING, AND DEVOTED [00:05:01] LEADER FOR THEIR SMALL GROUP OF SEDONA PARK RANGERS, MAKING EVERYONE FEEL LIKE A MEMBER OF A CLOSE KNIT FAMILY AND HE WILL BE MISSED. UM, I ALSO CONTACTED TOM LAMPKIN. SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE REMEMBER TOM LAMPKIN. HE WAS A FORMER MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL. HE WAS ALSO A PARK RANGER FOR 10 YEARS, AND HE PROVIDED THIS INSIGHT. BOB'S EXPERIENCE AND EXCEPTIONAL SKILLS SERVED THE PROGRAM WELL. HE ALWAYS GAVE CREDIT TO THE CITY PARK RANGERS AS A WHOLE, BUT IT WAS REALLY HIS GRIT AND DETERMINATION THAT KEPT THE PROGRAM FUNCTIONAL, AND IT CAN'T BE SETTING STRONGER THAN THAT. SINCE BOB AND JUDY RETIRED LAST YEAR, THE PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION HAS FALLEN TO UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE CITY OF PARKS AND RECREATION JOSHUA. UM, AND, UM, THEY HAVE REALLY HELPED US SUPPORT THIS PROGRAM AND WE WANT TO THANK THEM. SO, UM, THEY'VE KIND OF HELPED US EVOLVE INTO A NEW GROUP. UH, WE WANNA THANK THE CITY FOR THEIR SUPPORT. WE WANNA THANK PARKS AND RECREATION FOR THEIRS. AND WE WANNA THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR RECOGNIZING THE PROGRAM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION. UM, NATE, DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING ABOUT BOB ON THE HPC? IS NATE STILL HERE? YEAH. OKAY. SURE. THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL, UM, STATE YOUR NAME. I ANTICIPATED ANYTHING. I'M, I'M NATE MYERS. I'M THE CHAIR OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. UH, THE DISTINCT HONOR OF WORKING WITH BOB, UH, ON THAT COMMISSION. HE WAS A, UM, A STRONG VOICE AND STRONG ADVOCATE FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND, UM, CERTAINLY, UH, THE COMMUNITY IS, UH, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? UH, IT'S, IT'S, UM, UH, SADDER PLACE WITHOUT BOB IN IT. AND, UH, WE WILL CERTAINLY MISS HIM. SO, THANK YOU, . THANK YOU, NATE. OKAY. DO YOU WANT, YOU HAVE THE PLAQUE WITH YOU, JOSH, SO WHY DON'T YOU COME UP WITH THE RANGERS AND WE CAN TAKE A PHOTO. I THINK WE HAVE KEEGAN READY. KEEGAN, WHERE ARE YOU? OH, THERE SHE GOES. MADAM. PER, YOU NEED TO CALL THE ROLL. MAYOR PLU. HERE. VICE MAYOR FOLTZ. PRESENT. COUNCILOR DUNN? HERE. COUNCILOR FURMAN. PRESENT. COUNCILOR HU HOI. CAN YOU HEAR US? YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE HER. SHE'S THERE. OH, THERE SHE IS. OKAY. SHE, UM, COUNSELOR HOI IS JOINING US BY TEAMS. I'M NOT SURE IF SHE CAN HEAR US RIGHT NOW. COUNSELOR KINSELLA. HERE. COUNSELOR FAF PRESENT. EXCUSE ME. COUNSELOR HOSSEINI IS SAYING THAT SHE CANNOT SEE US. WELL, WE'LL WORK ON IT. YOU GUYS CAN KEEP GOING. OKAY. UH, IS THERE, THERE A MOTION TO [3. CONSENT ITEMS - APPROVE] APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS? SO MOVED. UH, UH, WEREN'T WE GONNA PULL? NO. UH, ITEM C? NO, I BELIEVE WELL, WAS DID YOU ASK FOR A PULL? I ASKED, I HAD INDICATED THAT I HAD WANTED TO PULL ITEM C AT SOME POINT. TOLD HIM. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY, SO, UM, THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? YOUR MOTION IS TO APPROVE ITEMS A AND B. YES. LET ME, I WAS GOING TO REPHRASE THAT, BUT IT'S FINE. IS THERE A SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY, SO WE'RE IN AGREEMENT. [3.c. AB 3279 Approval of the Arts and Culture Grant Review Committee recommendations for the fiscal year 2026 Arts and Culture Grant Program in the amount of $200,000.] UH, UH, WHO'S GONNA SPEAK TO ITEM C? CAN I ASK WHO SECONDED? I DO. THANK YOU. OKAY, STEPHANIE. OH, OKAY CHRISTIE. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I HAD ASKED THAT THIS ITEM BE APPROVED. [00:10:01] UM, AS I'VE BEEN DOING, WHENEVER THERE'S AN ITEM OVER A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, I ASK THAT WE PULL IT SO THAT THE PUBLIC KNOW HOW THE PUBLIC'S MONEY IS BEING SPENT. THIS IS AN ITEM IN THE AGGREGATE THAT REACHES $200,000. SO I WANTED TO GET THIS ON THE RECORD IN AN OPEN SESSION. READY? OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNCIL. I'M KRISTY TURK, CITY LIAISON FOR THE ARTS AND CULTURE GRANT PROGRAM WITH ME. STEPHANIE, WHO SHOULD BE HERE ANY MINUTE? UM, WHO SERVES AS THE ARTS AND CULTURE GRANT COMMITTEE CHAIR? EARLIER THIS YEAR, COUNCIL APPROVED THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE ARTS AND CULTURE GRANT PROGRAM, INCLUDING A TOTAL ALLOCATION OF $200,000 TO SUPPORT ELIGIBLE SEDONA BASED NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT MEET CERTAIN SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS. TWO ORGANIZATIONS APPLIED AND MET THE CRITERIA FOR FUNDING THE SEDONA ARTS CENTER AND THE SEDONA INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL. THE ARTS AND CULTURE GRANT COMMITTEE, WHICH CONSISTED OF FIVE COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS, ALL OF WHOM HAVE PREVIOUSLY SERVED ON THE SMALL GRANTS COMMITTEE, MET ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH TO REVIEW AND SCORE THE APPLICATIONS BASED ON THEIR EVALUATION. THE COMMITTEE IS RECOMMENDING THAT EACH ORGANIZATION RECEIVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN GRANT FUNDING FOR FY 26. WE ARE REQUESTING COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF THOSE ABOARD RECOMMENDATIONS. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I THINK THE APPLICATIONS ARE, SORRY, THEY'RE SEPARATE CONTRACTS THERE. NO QUESTIONS? YES. ALL. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM C? DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? COMMENTS OR COMMENTS ON THE MOTION? THAT'S OKAY. WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS? I DO. OKAY, GO AHEAD. ALRIGHT. GIVEN THAT THIS IS POLLED, UH, I'M GOING TO RESTATE, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHTS THAT I HAD BEFORE ON THIS ISSUE. WE HAVE TWO VERY FINE ORGANIZATIONS. I DON'T LIKE THE PROCESS. WE DEVELOPED A COMPETITIVE GRANT PROCESS. IT'S NOT REALLY COMPETITIVE. I WOULD PREFER THAT WE DO CONTRACTS FOR SERVICES FOR THESE TWO FINE ORGANIZATIONS, BUT I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION? SURE. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ARTS AND CULTURE GRANT REVIEW COMMITTEE FISCAL YEAR 2026, RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF $200,000 SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE WRITTEN GRANT AGREEMENT BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY OTHER, OKAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. IT'S APPROVED. CHARLOTTE, DID YOU SAY APPROVED OR SHE SAID AYE. I SAID AYE. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. OKAY. UH, NANCY GONNA HAVE OUR MOMENT OF ART. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. BEFORE I, UM, PRESENT THE MOMENT OF ART, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE THE EXHIBIT THAT'S UP NOW. UM, WE'LL BE COMING DOWN DECEMBER 30TH AND IT IS GREG LAWSON'S PHOTOGRAPHS IN THE FRONT AND HOPE RICHARD'S, UM, PAINTINGS IN THE BACK. SO IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED IN PURCHASING JUST ME BECAUSE THERE'S A LIMITED TIME LEFT FOR THAT, THE NEXT ARTIST WILL BE, I'M VERY HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE CHRISTINE DUBROSKI, WHO IS A PASTEL ARTIST AND AN OIL PAINTER, AND HER WORK WILL BE GOING UP JANUARY 5TH. SO, UM, FOR HAPPY DECEMBER AND FOR DECEMBER'S MOMENT OF ART, UM, I'M VERY HAPPY TO HAVE FOUND THREE TEENAGE SISTERS WHO ARE HOMESCHOOLED. SO A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE SISTERS AND THEY ARE VERY TALENTED. THEY'VE BEEN STUDYING VIOLIN FOR THREE YEAR, UH, FOR 10 YEARS, AND THERE ARE THREE OF THEM. AND I'M GONNA LET THEM INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. SO, WELCOME AVA. HELLO, MY NAME IS AVA. MY NAME IS BELLA. AND MY NAME'S ELLIE. AND WE ARE THE FUR OFF SISTERS. WE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT SHARING JOY AND HAPPINESS WITH EVERYONE. WITH ABOUT 10 YEARS OF VIOLENT EXPERIENCE UNDER OUR BELT, CREATING MUSIC TOGETHER HAS BEEN AN INCREDIBLE JOURNEY. WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED WITH THE OPPORTUNITIES TO PERFORM AT VARIOUS VENUES ACROSS THE VERDE VALLEY THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AND OUR MEMBERS OF THE ORCHESTRA, NORTHERN ARIZONA AND FLAGSTAFF, WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK OUR SUPPORTIVE PARENTS AND VIOLIN TEACHERS. THEIR ENCOURAGEMENT AND SUPPORT HAS INSPIRED US TO ALWAYS REACH NEW HEIGHTS. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK NANCY LAI FOR INVITING US [00:15:01] TO PARTICIPATE IN MOA AND TO ALL OF YOU HERE TODAY. WE WILL BE PLAYING THE SOUND OF MUSIC AND JINGLE BELLS AND HOPE TO BRING YOU JUST A LITTLE TASTE OF THE HOLIDAY SEASON. ENJOY. THANK YOU. ARE YOUR PARENTS HERE WITH YOU? YES. OUR DAD IS HERE TOO. [00:20:34] THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, [4.a. AB 3306 Discussion/possible action regarding candidate selection process and interview dates for Planning & Zoning and Historic Preservation Commissions and Tourism Advisory Board.] WE'RE ON ITEM FOUR APPOINTMENTS, DISCUSS POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING CANDIDATE SELECTION PROCESS AND INTERVIEW DATES FOR PLANNING AND ZONING AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSIONS AND TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD. SO I WANNA GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE AND I HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR YOU TO RESPOND TO REACT TO. SO WE HAVE THREE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE VACANCIES, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING. WE HAVE, UH, SARAH WEILL, WHOSE SEAT EXPIRED ON 10 31, BUT SHE'S STILL SERVING 'CAUSE NO ONE HAD, HAS REPLACED HER. AND SHE HAS APPLIED TO CONTINUE. AND SHE WAS NAMED THE INTERIM, UH, CHAIR AT LAST WEEK'S MEETING. UH, AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER, WE HAVE CHARLOTTE WHO, SANDY, WHO RESIGNED BECAUSE SHE'S NOW A MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL. SO WHEN IT WAS JUST SARAH WILD'S SEAT, WE ADVERTISED FOR ONE SEAT AND WE GOT TWO APPLICATIONS. AND, UH, AND NOW WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES. SO FIRST MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANNA GO BACK OUT AND SEEK FURTHER APPLICANTS OR DO YOU WANT TO, UH, INTERVIEW ONE OR TWO OR THE TWO PEOPLE YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THEIR APPLICATION YET, BUT DO WE WANT TO TRY TO GET MORE CANDIDATES? UH, WE HAVE DONE THIS IN THE PAST, SO I OPEN THAT UP FOR CONVERSATION. ANY STRONG FEELINGS OR FEELINGS, IT'S HARD TO RESPOND WITHOUT HAVING SEEN THE APPLICATIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED. I DON'T HAVE HARD AND FAST FEELINGS ON THIS EITHER, BUT TWO PEOPLE DID APPLY WHEN WE ASKED FOR APPLICATIONS, AND I THINK THEY DESERVE TO BE EVALUATED BEFORE, UH, GOING BACK OUT AND, UH, DELAYING THEIR CONSIDERATION. BUT AGAIN, NOT A HILL I'M GONNA DIE ON. IS THAT THE GENERAL VIEW? SO I, I GENERALLY FEEL THE SAME WAY. WE HAVE TWO SEATS. WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO APPLIED AT THE TIME THAT THAT WAS NOTICED TO APPLICATIONS. THESE ARE THE ONLY ONES WE GOT. IT SEEMS THAT WE SHOULD BE REVIEWING THEM FIRST AND MAKING SURE IF THESE ARE THE RIGHT TWO CANDIDATES THAT WE JUST GO AHEAD AND PROCEED. OKAY. IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS. GOOD WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN, UH, ON THE HPC WE HAVE ONE SEAT THAT'S DUE TO THAT EXPIRED ON, UH, NOVEMBER 30TH. AND WE ADVERTISE FOR ONE EXPIRING SEAT ON, UH, SEPTEMBER 17TH. AND THE DEADLINE WAS, UH, OCTOBER 8TH. UH, THE EXPIRED COMMISSIONER IS JACK FINE AND HE HAS REAPPLIED AND NO OTHER APPLICATIONS WERE RECEIVED. SO MY QUESTION IS, UH, AND NATE'S HERE AND NATE IS SUPPORTIVE OF REAPPOINTING JACK. SO DO YOU WANT TO INTERVIEW HIM OR YOU WANNA JUST APPOINT HIM? I SERVED WITH HIM ON THE HPC. I SEE NO REASON TO INTERVIEW HIM. SHOULD JUST BE REAPPOINTED. SO, SO I AGREE. HE'S, HE'S ALREADY BEEN SERVING, UM, THEIR SUPPORT FROM SOMEONE WHO'S A FORMER MEMBER, THEIR SUPPORT FROM THE PERSON WHO KNOWS MOST ABOUT WHAT IT IS THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. SO IT JUST FEELS LIKE WE SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND AGREE. EVERYONE AGREE WITH THAT? YES. IT BRINGS A QUESTION IN MY MIND ABOUT COMMISSIONER WHEEL ON P AND Z BECAUSE WE ALSO KNOW HER AND SHE'S APPLIED AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. BUT I'M NOT, I, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. WELL, WE CAN REVISIT THAT IF YOU WANT TO. I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE IT BOTH WAYS IN THE PAST WHERE WE'VE JUST APPOINT REAPPOINTED SOMEONE WHEN THE COMMISSION CHAIR PERSON BELIEVES THEY SHOULD BE REAPPOINTED. AND WE'VE ALSO INTERVIEWED THEM. SO IT'S NOT, WE HAVEN'T BEEN CONSISTENT ABOUT THAT. OKAY. SO KURT, CAN WE APPOINT, UH, JACK TONIGHT? YES. [00:25:01] IT'S AGENDAS FOR ACTION TONIGHT. OKAY. UM, HPC, UM, APPOINTMENTS. SO LET'S DO THAT AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO, TO PNC. SO IS THERE A MOTION ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT JACK FINE TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO FILL, TO CONTINUE IN THE SEAT THAT HE JUST EXPIRED SECOND WITH FOR A FOUR. YEAH. CAN WE, UH, GET A TERM, UH, FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM? FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM. OKAY. EXPIRING OCTOBER 31ST. 31ST? NO, IT WAS 1130. WHAT? BUT THE NEXT TERM WOULD THEN EXPIRE OCTOBER 31ST. UH, 2020. WHEN IS HIS TERM? 20. WHAT'S THE YEAR 29. JACK JACK'S SEAT IS DUE TO EXPIRE NOVEMBER 30TH, 2025. RIGHT. IT'S ALREADY EXPIRED. SO THEN IT WOULD BE 2029. THANK YOU. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT IT WOULDN'T BE OCTOBER 30TH. IT'S GONNA, HIS TERM'S GONNA START DEC WE, WE GENERALLY KEEP HIM ON OCTOBER, SO I'M NOT SURE WHY SAYS WAS NOVEMBER, BUT I THINK WE WOULD DO, OC GENERALLY DO OCTOBER 31ST, CARRIE, PNZ IF TERMS EXPIRE AT THE END OF OCTOBER AND HPC TERMS EXPIRE AT THE END OF, OF NOVEMBER. AH. OR, OR, AND THEN, OR UNTIL FILLED IN CASE IT GOES PAST THE TIME. OKAY. SO LET'S REVISIT THIS MOTION. DO, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT JACK FINE FOR A TERM FOUR YEAR TERM TO EXPIRE. OCTOBER, NOVEMBER 30TH. NOVEMBER WHAT? 30TH, 30TH, 2029? YES. UM, OR UNTIL, OR UNTIL, UH, A SUCCESSOR IS APPOINTED. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. A SUCCESSOR IS APPOINTED UNTIL A SUCCESSOR IS APPOINTED. OKAY. SECOND. SECOND VOTE BY DEREK. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A. AYE. OKAY, SO LET'S GO BACK. SO THAT MAKES THAT EASY. LET'S GO BACK TO P AND C THEN. SO WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT SARAH? I WILL. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A A DATE FOR THAT? FOR THE MOTION? SHE, HER SEAT EXPIRED ON 10 31. SO IT WOULD BE FOUR YEAR TERM, SO IT WOULD EXPIRE 10 31 20 29. IS THAT RIGHT? A THREE YEAR TERM. THREE YEAR TERM. OKAY. SO 2028 FOR A THREE YEAR TERM. I, I NOMINATE, UH, SARAH WHEEL, UH, FOR PLAYING ZONE COMMISSIONER FOR A THREE YEAR TERM. YEAH. EXPIRE ON OCTOBER 31ST, 2028 OR UNTIL SUCCESSOR IS APPOINTED, SIR. THANK YOU. SECOND. IS THERE A SECOND? A SECOND. SECOND. OKAY, DEREK, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. AND SO NOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS COME UP WITH A DATE TO, UH, INTERVIEW THE APP, SECOND APPLICANT FOR PNC, WHOSE NAME IS KEITH MEYER. THANK YOU. AND WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS DOING THE INTERVIEWS BEFORE A COUNCIL MEETING. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE MEETINGS IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, BUT WE DO HAVE A MEETING IN JANUARY. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTERVIEW HIM THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY? OKAY. AND WHAT DATE WOULD THAT BE? THAT'LL BE JANUARY 13TH. OKAY. AND WHAT TIME ARE WE GOING TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION? ARE YOU AWARE AT THIS POINT? UH, NOT AT THIS POINT. WE DON'T HAVE ONE PLANNED. WELL, ACTUALLY, NO. YEAH, I DON'T BELIEVE WE WILL. ACTUALLY, YES, WE DO. YOU MIGHT, WE, WOULD THAT BE ON OUR LEFTOVER ITEM? IT MIGHT. OKAY. BUT PROBABLY JUST GO ON CONSENT, I THINK. OKAY. BECAUSE TIME WILL BE UP. SO THE, THE INTERVIEWS IS GENERALLY A HALF AN HOUR AND THEN WE WOULD MAKE A DECISION. SO I WOULD SAY WE SHOULD ALLOW OURSELVES 45 MINUTES AND THEN WE MAY HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO YOU WANNA DO IT AT TWO O'CLOCK? DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY? SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. TWO O'CLOCK. THANK YOU. ON JANUARY 13TH. AND, AND MARCIE WILL SEND HIM A, A NOTICE? CORRECT. OKAY. NOW MORE COMPLICATED ONE, WHICH IS THE TAB. THERE'S UM, EXCUSE ME, DOES THAT HAVE TO BE A MOTION THOUGH ON THE PLANNING ZONING STATE? UH, SELECT DATE AND TIME IT WAS IN THE PACKET THAT WAY FOR A MOTION. EITHER WAY. I MEAN, WE CAN SCHEDULE IT ON, ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. SO WE HAVE TWO VACANT SEATS ON THE TAB AND ONE ADDITIONAL PERSON WHO IS RESIGNING BUT HASN'T RESIGNED YET. SO THERE'LL BE THREE VACANT SEATS. UH, WE ADVERTISED THIS ON, UH, AUGUST 20TH, AND THE DEADLINE TO APPLY WAS ON OCTOBER 9TH. WE RECEIVED 15 APPLICATIONS AND THREE MEMBERS ARE [00:30:01] REAPPLYING. OKAY. SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT, UH, JOANNE AND MARCY SEND US THE APPLICATIONS FOR THE 15 PEOPLE ON THURSDAY OF THIS WEEK THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THEM. UH, AND, UH, NEXT WEEK DURING ONE OF OUR DAYS OF OUR RETREAT, WE DECIDE OF THE 15 APPLICATIONS WHO WE WANT TO INTERVIEW AND SELECT A DATE FOR THOSE INTERVIEWS. 'CAUSE THAT WILL TAKE A SUBSTANTIALLY LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY? YEP. OKAY. SO ANDY, ON ONE OF THOSE DAYS, WE'LL NEED TO FIT IN, UH, A REVIEW OF THE TAB APPLICATIONS. HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THAT WILL, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF TIME ARE YOU WANTING FOR THAT? I DON'T THINK IT'LL TAKE US THAT LONG TO THIS. ALL WE'RE GONNA DO IS DECIDE WHO TO INTERVIEW AND WHEN WE DID THAT RECENTLY FOR COUNCIL, IT DIDN'T TAKE A VERY LONG AMOUNT OF TIME. WE'LL DO THE SAME KIND OF PROCESS WHERE WE'LL HAVE ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO APPLIED, AND THEN ONCE WE RECEIVE A MAJORITY, WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH NAME AND PEOPLE WILL RAISE THEIR HAND IF THEY WANT TO, UH, INTERVIEW THAT PERSON. AND IF THERE'S A MAJORITY, THEY GET INTERVIEWED. SO 45 MINUTES MIGHT BE ADEQUATE. YEAH, IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE ADEQUATE. AND, UH, AND SO WE WILL, AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE ABOUT THE THREE MEMBERS, UH, AND WE CAN ASK THE CHAIRPERSON TO GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION ON THE THREE MEMBERS WHO ARE REAPPLYING, WHICH I THINK HE WILL WANT TO SEE THEM REAPPOINTED, BUT WE CAN FIND THAT OUT. DO YOU WANT THAT WRITTEN? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? MM-HMM . OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, NEXT IS [5. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR/COUNCILORS/CITY MANAGER & COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS] FIVE. SUMMARY OF CURRENT EVENTS BY MAYOR COUNCILORS, CITY MANAGER, AND COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS TO ANY COUNSELORS HAVE AN EVENT OR ASSIGNMENT TO SHARE. YEAH. DEREK. UM, I ATTENDED SEDONA RECYCLES RECENT MEETING. UM, THEY HAVE TAKEN POSSESSION OF THEIR NEW BAYLOR, WHICH THEY'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE. IT'S, UH, SPED UP THE PROCESS CONSIDERABLY. UM, THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO RAISE FUNDS TO, IT'S BEEN PAID FOR, BUT THEY'RE RAISING FUNDS TO REPLENISH THE COFFERS. SO IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN DONATING TO SEDAN AND RECYCLES, I'M SURE THEY WOULD APPRECIATE IT. UH, THE OTHER THING FROM THE MEETING, THEY ARE IN FACT HIRING. SO IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WORKING AT SEDONA RECYCLES, UH, PLEASE HAVE THEM REACH OUT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? YES, MA'AM. PETE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, IN THE SPIRIT OF OUR NEW, UH, COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES, AS THE LIAISON TO THE CP WAC AND THE WATER PARTNERSHIP, WHICH IS COCONINO PLATEAU WATER ADVISORY COUNCIL AND THE COCONINO PLATEAU WATER PARTNERSHIP, WE APPROVED OUR BUDGET. THE COMBINED BUDGET OF BOTH ORGANIZATIONS IS AROUND $50,000. UH, SEDONAS MEMBERSHIP FEE TO THE ORGANIZATION IS ABOUT $8,500. THAT HAD BEEN WORKED THROUGH ROXANNE AND THE CITY MANAGER THAT WORKED INTO OUR UPCOMING BUDGETS FOR THAT AS WELL. AND THEN THE SECOND ACTION WE TOOK WAS, UH, WE APPROVED A LETTER OPPOSING, UH, CONGRESS BILL, HR 53 92, WHICH IS A BILL TO UNWIND THE BJ NRO, IT KII ANCESTRAL FOOTPRINTS OF THE GRAND CANYON NATIONAL MONUMENT LEGISLATION. THAT WAS, UM, UH, OR IT WAS ACTUALLY PRESIDENTIAL ACTION THAT WAS PASSED, UH, LAST YEAR, AND THERE'S A BILL TO RESCIND THAT. SO THE WATER PARTNERSHIP TOOK A STANCE TO OPPOSE THAT EFFORT TO UNWIND IT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? OKAY. ANY OTHER REPORTS? OKAY. UH, KURT, NEXT NUMBER SIX, [6. EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT] EXECUTIVE SESSION REPORT. KURT, DO YOU HAVE A REPORT FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION MEETING? YES, MADAM MAYOR. UM, MAYOR AND COUNSEL AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, AN OPEN SESSION, UH, COUNSEL TOOK TWO ACTIONS. THEY APPROVED A, UH, RESOLUTION, UH, APPROVING A BINDING WAIVER OF ENFORCEMENT ON TWO PARCELS YAVAPAI, UM, ASSESSOR PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 8 2 6 0 0 1 B, AND COCONINO, UH, COUNTY ASSESSOR PARCEL NUMBER 4 0 1 DASH 18 DASH 0 6 6 B. AND THEN COUNSEL ALSO APPROVED AN APPEAL IN THE, UH, OAK CREEK HOSPITALITY LLC CASE VERSUS THE CITY OF SEDONA FROM THE COURT OF APPEALS TO THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT. THANK YOU KURT. UH, JOANNE, CHARLOTTE. KENT, I'M, YOU'RE WORKING ON IT? YEAH. OKAY. IT HAS TO BE WITH HER LOCATION WHERE SHE'S [00:35:01] AT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, NEXT [7. PUBLIC FORUM] IS PUBLIC FORUM. IS THERE ANYONE, I HAVE ONE CARD. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA? IF YOU DO, PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD. AND TIM, OVER TO YOU. GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PER AND I LIVE IN SEDONA IN TONIGHT'S INSTALLMENT OF LIES TOLD BY THE CITY OF SEDONA. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE CITY'S FAILURE TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS. ON OCTOBER 23RD, I FILED A REQUEST WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE FOR ALL CITY STAFF EXIT INTERVIEWS FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS ON NOVEMBER 4TH, I WAS OSTENSIBLY PROVIDED WITH THE DOCUMENTS. I REVIEWED THESE AND FOUND THAT THEY CONSISTED ONLY OF ANONYMIZED ONLINE SURVEY RESPONSES. NONE OF THE TRANSCRIPTS OF THE IN-PERSON EXIT INTERVIEWS WERE INCLUDED. I INFORMED THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE OF THIS OMISSION ON NOVEMBER 19TH. ON NOVEMBER 24TH, THE CLERK'S OFFICE INFORMED ME THAT RUSS MARTIN IN HR HAD TOLD THEM THERE WERE KNOWN ONE-ON-ONE EXIT INTERVIEWS WITH DEPARTING STAFF. UNFORTUNATELY, I NOW HAVE STATEMENTS FROM MULTIPLE FORMER MEMBERS OF CITY STAFF THAT THEY DID IN FACT DO ONE-ON-ONE EXIT INTERVIEWS WITH RUSS MARTIN. I HAVE THE DATES, TIMES, AND LOCATIONS OF THOSE INTERVIEWS, AND I HAVE CONFIRMATION THAT ALL THOSE INTERVIEWS WERE RECORDED. WHO THE HELL DO ANY OF YOU HERE THINK THAT YOU ARE TO WITHHOLD PUBLIC RECORDS BY LYING ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF THE RECORD? HOW DARE YOU. THESE ARE NOT YOUR RECORDS. THESE ARE OUR RECORDS. WE KNOW YOU DON'T WANT US TO SEE THEM. WE KNOW YOU DON'T WANT US TO SEE THE DYSFUNCTION THAT GOES ON WITHIN CITY STAFF, THE MICROMANAGEMENT, THE PATHETIC EXCUSES FOR WHAT PASSES FOR LEADERSHIP. AND WE CERTAINLY KNOW THAT YOU DON'T WANT US TO SEE ALL THE SPITEFUL LITTLE THINGS THAT CITY STAFF ON THEIR WAY OUT SAY ABOUT THEIR COWORKERS. WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE WANT TO SEE THESE TRANSCRIPTS AND WHY WE'RE GOING TO SEE THESE TRANSCRIPTS. THIS IS NOT OPTIONAL. YOU ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO TURN OVER THIS INFORMATION. AND IF YOU DO NOT, WE WILL TAKE THE LAWS THAT YOU HAVE SWORN AND FAILED TO UPHOLD AND WE WILL BEAT YOU WITH THEM. PURSUANT TO THE COURT OF APPEALS RULING IN PHOENIX, NEW TIMES V AR PIO, I WILL GIVE CITY STAFF UNTIL THURSDAY AFTERNOON CLOSE OF BUSINESS TO COME UP WITH THE REST OF THESE DOCUMENTS IN ORDER TO FULFILL THE STATE'S REQUIREMENT THAT THESE RECORDS BE PROVIDED PROMPTLY, PROMPTLY. IF THESE RECORDS ARE NOT PROVIDED PROMPTLY, MY NEXT STOP WILL BE SUPERIOR COURT, WHICH WILL GRANT ACCESS TO THESE RECORDS. IN ADDITION, I CALL ON THIS COUNCIL TO IMMEDIATELY DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO TERMINATE RUSS MARTIN'S EMPLOYMENT FOR CAUSE. HE HAS NOT MERELY LIED TO THE PUBLIC. HE HAS COMMITTED A CRIMINAL ACTION WHICH HAS INVOLVED THE CITY IN LEGAL LIABILITY. HE'S IN NO WAY A FIT PERSON TO CONTINUE TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. FIX THESE PROBLEMS NOW, OR OUR RESPONSE OUT HERE WILL BE THE RESPONSE OF THE VERY DOWN TO EARTH SERGEANT IN THE PENTAGON WARS. A LOT OF EXTREMELY VICIOUS PAPER CUTS. THESE ARE OUR RECORDS. PRODUCE THEM. OKAY, KIRK, COULD YOU, WOULD YOU FOLLOW UP PLEASE ON THIS ISSUE? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, ITEM EIGHT, PROCLAMATIONS, RECOGNITIONS AND AWARDS. WE HAVE NONE, SO WE'LL MOVE TO REGULAR. I DID THE CARD. YOU OKAY. COME ON UP AND I'LL GET THE CARD. THANK YOU. YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, PLEASE. MY NAME IS TYLER CARSON AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR FIVE YEARS, AND MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW ME THROUGH MY MUSICAL WORK AS FIDDLER ON THE ROCK. AND I CELEBRATE THE CITY THAT I LIVE IN BECAUSE IT HAS REALLY HELPED TRANSFORM MY OWN CAREER. IT NOURISHED, UM, THE TRANSFORMATION OF MY VOICE, UH, DIFFICULTY OF A VOICE CONDITION. IT'S A NEUROLOGICAL CONDITION, UM, INTO SOMETHING THAT CREATES JOY THROUGH MY MUSIC. AND IT, THE ABILITY TO LIVE HERE WAS PARAMOUNT TO THAT LIVING NEXT DOOR WOULD NOT BE THE SAME THING. AND I WAS FORTUNATE TO FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT, UH, 50 SOBAR LANE, WHICH IS A PRIVATELY HELD PROPERTY, AND THEY MAINTAIN, UH, LOWER RENTS. AND WITHOUT THAT, I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS IN MY WORK. LET ME JUST INTERRUPT YOU. IS THIS, ARE YOU SPEAKING AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA, OR ARE YOU SPEAKING IN FAVOR? I'M SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF, UH, ITEM 9:00 AM [00:40:01] OKAY. WE'RE NOT THERE YET. OKAY. AND THEN WELL, I'LL, WE'LL CALL YOU. OKAY. WHEN WE DO THE PUBLIC FORUM, THIS IS ONLY ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. UM, I WAS ALSO TOLD THERE WAS A, UM, A PIECE COMING UP ABOUT THE CULTURAL PARK. THEY'RE DOING A PRESENTATION TODAY, TOMORROW. AH, OKAY. BUT IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT, SPEAK TO THAT. YEP. OKAY. YEP, GO AHEAD. SO, UM, THE, THERE IS A NEED AND THERE'S A CONSENSUS NEED OF ARTISTS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE NEED MORE PERFORMANCE SPACES ALSO, PARTICULARLY THAT ARE PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED. UM, THIS MEANS PEOPLE WITH INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A GROUP, I'M NOT AFFILIATED WITH THEM, I'VE JUST HEARD ABOUT THIS. THERE IS A GROUP THAT, UM, HAS SOME IDEAS FOR THE CULTURAL PARK. I BELIEVE THEY'RE SPEAKING TOMORROW. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF WE BROUGHT IN A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION THAT CAN MANAGE A LARGER ENTERTAINMENT, UH, BRANCH IN HERE IN HAWAII, FOR EXAMPLE. MAJOR ARTISTS COME THROUGH AND THEN THEY, THEY, THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO BRING LOCAL ARTISTS TO, TO OPEN FOR THEM. AND IT'S CREATED QUITE AN OPPORTUNITY. AND I THINK THERE'S A MASSIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR SEDONA TO BE A LEADER IN THE CONSCIOUS MUSIC COMMUNITY. UM, NOT ONLY THAT, BUT ARTISTS LIKE MYSELF ARE IN NEED OF PLACES TO PERFORM THAT ARE AFFORDABLE AND ARE PROPERLY MANAGED. UM, WHILE WE ARE DOING WELL WITH WHAT EXISTS, THERE IS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. AND THERE, THERE WOULD BE, UM, TREMENDOUS BENEFIT, UM, FROM, UH, AN EXPANDED PRESENCE. UM, AND I GUESS THE, THE REST IS CONNECTED TO THE HOUSING AS WELL AS A WASTE MANAGEMENT COMMENT. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO COMMENT ON THOSE? WELL, WASTE MANAGEMENT IS ON THE AGENDA, SO YOU NEED TO FILL OUT A CARD FOR THAT ITEM. SO DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE AGENDA? I, I DO. YEAH. SO ON THE CARD, PUT THE ITEM NUMBER THAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO. OKAY. THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN WHY THE CARD DIDN'T MAKE IT TO YOU. I PUT THEM ALL IN ONE CARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JESSICA, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I DO. UH, JESSICA WILLIAMSON. SEDONA. I JUST WANT TO, UH, COMPLIMENT THE CITY AND THE SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL FOR THE AMAZING AMENITY THAT IS POSSE GROUNDS. I GO UP THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS AND I WALK MY DOG IN THE MORNING. I SEE PEOPLE PLAYING BASKETBALL. I SEE KIDS PLAYING BASKETBALL. I SEE KIDS IN THE, UH, BIKE THING. I SEE, UM, OTHER PEOPLE WALKING THEIR DOGS. I SEE PEOPLE IN THE, UH, DOG PARK. I SEE PEOPLE WALKING. I SEE PEOPLE WANDERING AROUND, CO MEDITATING ON THE FIELDS. IT IS A WELL USED PARK. I SEE KIDS PLAYING. THAT'S A GREAT PLAYGROUND UP THERE THAT YOU, THAT'S BEEN PUT UP THERE. AND I JUST WANNA COMPLIMENT JOSH, HIS STAFF AND THE CITY FOR A REALLY AMAZING LOCAL AMENITY THAT I MUST ADMIT I PAID NO ATTENTION TO TILL I STARTED WALKING MY DOG UP THERE. AND IT'S, IT'S TRULY EXTRAORDINARILY AND IT'S BEAUTIFULLY MAINTAINED. SO JUST A SHOUT OUT, A SHOUT OUT TO PARKS AND REC. THANK YOU JESSICA. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS, SO I'M ASSUMING NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT AN ITEM, NOT ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. [9.a. AB 3281 Public Hearing/discussion/possible action regarding a request for approval of a Zone Change (ZC) from RMH (Single Family and Manufactured Home, 4 dwelling units per acre) to RM-3 (High-Density Multifamily, 20 dwelling units per acre) to allow for future development of the property with multifamily housing (no development proposed at this time). The subject properties are located at 50 Tranquil Avenue and 80 Rigby Road, north of the Windsong Mobile Home Park and west of the Safeway Shopping Center. APN: 408-24-087 & 89.Case Number: PZ24-00018 (ZC) Property Owner: Kim Soo Young & James Spindelman Applicant: Sefton Engineering (David Nicolella).] WE'RE AT NUMBER NINE, REGULAR BUSINESS AB 32 81, HEARING, PUBLIC HEARING. DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A ZONE CHANGE FROM RMH, SINGLE FAMILY AND MANUFACTURED HOME. FOUR DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE TO RM THREE HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY, 20 DWELLINGS UNITS PER ACRE TO ALLOW FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY WITH MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. NO DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED AT THIS TIME. THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED AT 50 TRANQUIL AVENUE AND 80 RIGBY ROAD, NORTH OF THE WINDSONG MOBILE HOME PARK AND WEST OF THE SAFEWAY SHOPPING CENTER. A PN 4 0 8 DASH 24 DASH OH EIGHT SEVEN AND OH EIGHT NINE. CASE NUMBER PZ 24 DASH 0 0 0 1 8. PROPERTY OWNER KIM SUE YOUNG AND JAMES SPINDLE, APPLICANT SEFTON ENGINEERING DAVID NICOLETTA. CARRIE, ARE YOU GONNA WALK US THROUGH THIS? YES, [00:45:01] MAYOR, I'M GOING TO START. THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THANK YOU MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. WE ARE HERE TONIGHT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE AS DESCRIBED RIGHT NOW BY THE MAYOR. UM, AS SAID, THIS IS TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES ON TRANQUIL AND RIGBY, UM, ABOUT NINE AND A HALF ACRES. AND THEY ARE BOTH, THEY BOTH CURRENTLY HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THEM. UM, SO THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW. IN DECEMBER, 2024, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A, AN APPLICATION THAT WAS DEEMED INCOMPLETE. THE COMPLETE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED IN JUNE OF 2025. UM, AND THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT WAS PROVIDED IN AUGUST. AND AT THAT TIME, THE APPLICANT, AFTER SOME BACK AND FORTH ABOUT SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE APPLICATION. UM, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THE APPLICATION TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE PLANNING AND ZONE AND COMMISSION AS THEY HAD, AS THEY HAD SUBMITTED IT AT THAT TIME. UM, THEY DID PROVIDE A SMALL UPDATE LATER IN AUGUST, BUT THE CONTENTS OF THE APPLICATION REMAINED THE SAME. UM, THIS WAS IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL, BUT THIS CASE IS CLASSIFIED AS A RESIDENTIAL REZONING 'CAUSE THEY'RE ASKING FOR A DESIGNATE, A MULTIFAMILY DESIGNATION. AND SO BY STATE LAW, THIS APPLICATION MUST BE APPROVED OR DENIED WITHIN 180 DAYS OF THE COMPLETE APPLICATION. 180 DAY DEADLINE IS IN, UM, A COUPLE WEEKS, A LITTLE LESS THAN TWO WEEKS. THERE'S A NOTE, I THINK YOUR AGENDA BILL SAID DECEMBER 18TH. I RECALCULATED. IT'S ACTUALLY DECEMBER 22ND, WHICH MAKES THE DIFFERENCE OF ABOUT A WEEKEND. BUT, UM, THIS IS THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING BEFORE THE, THE DEADLINE WE HAVE THERE. UM, THIS IS THE VICINITY MAP. UM, IF YOU CAN SEE IT, THE PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE HERE. THIS IS THE SAFEWAY SHOPPING CENTER. THE WINDSONG MOBILE HOME PARK IS HERE. AND THIS OVER HERE IS ON DANTE. UM, THIS IS THE AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY. AND SO THE, AGAIN, ABOUT JUST ABOUT NINE AND A HALF ACRES BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES. MOST OF THAT IS ON ONE PROPERTY. BOTH PROPERTIES HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON THEM. UM, JUST A SUMMARY OF THE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AND WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING. THE COMMUNITY PLAN DOES DESIGNATE THIS PROPERTY AS MULTIFAMILY HIGH DENSITY. UM, THAT IT, UM, THAT DESIGNATION DOES SUPPORT DENSITIES OVER 12 UNITS PER ACRE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS WITH CONSIDERATION OF STRATEGIES THAT ADDRESS LOCAL HOUSING NEEDS, HOUSING DIVERSITY, AFFORDABILITY, AND AVAILABILITY. SO THAT MULTIFAMILY HIGH DENSITY DESIGNATION, THE COMMUNITY PLAN DOES NOT NECESSARILY GUARANTEE THAT A ZONE CHANGE WILL BE APPROVED, BUT IT ALLOWS FOR CONSIDERATION OF A ZONE CHANGE REQUEST WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH A COMMUNITY PLAN AMENDMENT. UM, WITH THAT, THE, UM, THE CURRENT ZONING OF THESE PROPERTIES IS SINGLE FAMILY AND MANUFACTURED HOME RMH, WHICH ALLOWS MANUFACTURED HOMES AND ALLOWS A MAXIMUM OF FOUR UNITS PER ACRE. THEY ARE REQUESTING A ZONING OF HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY RM THREE, WHICH ALLOWS UP TO 20 UNITS PER ACRE. UM, ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THIS PROJECT AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LEVEL WAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ARE CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED IN THE R OR IN THE RM THREE ZONE. SO IN ORDER TO, IF THE ZONE CHANGE WERE APPROVED, IN ORDER TO KEEP THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THAT APPLICATION WAS DENIED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND WAS NOT APPEALED. SO THAT IS NOT PART OF COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. WE'RE JUST CONSIDERING THE ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION. IF THE ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION WERE APPROVED, THEY WOULD NEED TO COME BACK AND REAPPLY FOR THE CUP THROUGH THAT PROCESS. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. IT'S JUST THE ZONE CHANGE. UM, THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. UM, THE, IF YOU CAN TELL, THESE ARE DIFFERENT COLOR REDS, UM, BUT IS THE DARKER COLOR. UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT ACTUALLY CAME UP, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ABOUT HOW, WHY THIS WAS ZONED MULTIFAMILY HIGH OR DESIGNATED MULTIFAMILY HIGH DENSITY ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. UM, THIS WAS PART OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OR PLANNED AREA DESIGNATION IN THE PREVIOUS COMMUNITY PLAN THAT THOSE DESIGNATIONS BECAME MIXED USE. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ALONG THE HIGHWAY. UM, THINKING THAT MAYBE A MIXED USE THIS, YOU KNOW, OFF OF THE HIGHWAY WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE. INSTEAD OF HAVING THIS PLANNED AREA DESIGNATION GO TO THE MIXED USE LIKE MOST OF THE OTHERS, UM, IT WENT TO A MULTI-FAMILY HIGH DENSITY 'CAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE THE PLANNED AREA DESIGNATION ANYMORE. SO ALL OF THE PLANNED AREAS HAD TO BECOME SOMETHING ELSE IN THE LATEST [00:50:01] COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE. UM, THE ZONING, AGAIN, THIS IS THE, UM, ALL THE YELLOW ARE VARIOUS SINGLE FAMILY ZONES. UM, THEY ARE KIND OF ALL DIFFERENT SHADES OF YELLOW, BUT THEY'RE ALL GENERALLY SINGLE FAMILY. THE BLUE, UM, BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND 89 A AND THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST ARE COMMERCIAL ZONES. UM, SO GOING THROUGH THE, THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED FROM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS, AS WELL AS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION SUBMITTED A LETTER REQUESTING PRESERVATION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THE NORTHERN PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE LARGER ONE, UM, WHICH IS THE RIGBY HOUSE. UM, IN THERE ARE DOCUMENTS THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO SURVEYING AND DOCUMENTING THE PROPERTY, BUT NOT NECESSARILY PRESERVING YOUR LANDMARKING IT AT THIS TIME. UM, THROUGH PUBLIC INPUT, THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION REPORT FROM THE APPLICANT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. AND THEN ALL OF THE STANDARD NOTICING, UM, REQUIREMENTS WERE FOLLOWED. UM, REGARDING, YOU KNOW, POSTING ON THE WEBSITE, PUBLIC HEARINGS, PUBLISHED IN THE RED ROCK NEWS, THE POSTING ON THE PROPERTY MAILING TO NEIGHBORS. UM, AND ALL COMMENTS WERE PROVIDED TO COUNSEL. UM, I BELIEVE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME THAT CAME IN DIRECTLY TO YOU THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE PACKET, BUT ANYTHING THAT WAS SENT TO US AND NOT TO YOU, WE PROVIDED THE LAST UPDATE THIS AFTERNOON. I THINK THERE WAS JUST, UH, A HANDFUL IN THERE, BUT UNLESS I'VE GOTTEN SOMETHING IN THE LAST HALF AN HOUR, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE EVERYTHING THAT I GOT. UM, SO ZONE CHANGES ARE REVIEWED FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN. OTHER ADOPTED PLANS SUCH AS THE TRANS TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, THE GO PLAN, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, AND THEN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OUTLINES HOW ZONE CHANGES ARE REVIEWED. AND THAT'S IN ARTICLE EIGHT. AND SO AS THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT PLAN BEING PROPOSED AT THIS TIME, IF THE ZONE CHANGE WERE APPROVED, ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE REVIEWED FOR THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE RM THREE AND MULTIFAMILIES, UM, ZONES AND USES RATHER THAN THE RMH ZONE. AND THAT THERE'S A VERY DETAILED EVALUATION FOR ALL OF THAT IN, UM, IN YOUR PACKET. AND SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT ANY OF THOSE, BUT, UM, DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANNA GO THROUGH THAT LINE BY LINE DURING THIS PRESENTATION. UM, THE FINDINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS TO BE APPROVED ARE LISTED IN LEDC, SECTION 8.3 E FIVE, AND THEY INCLUDE THAT THE APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS APPROVALS, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, OTHER APPLICABLE PLANS AND INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS. THEY, THAT THE APPLICATION IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OTHER APPLICABLE REGULATIONS THAT THE APPLICATION MINIMIZES IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. THAT IT MINIMIZES ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL AND FINANCIAL IMPACTS, THAT IT COMPLIES WITH UTILITY SERVICE AND IMPROVEMENT STANDARDS, AND THAT IT PROVIDES ADEQUATE ROAD SYSTEMS, PUBLIC SERVICES AND FACILITIES. AND IF PHASING IS PROPOSED THAT IT'S A RATIONAL PHASING PLAN. SO AGAIN, THE FULL EVALUATION IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. UM, AGAIN, NO PROJECT IS SUPPOSED IS EXPECTED TO MEET ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND ALL OF THE VISIONS OF ALL APPLICABLE PLANS, BUT ZONE CHANGES APP APPLICATIONS ARE EXPECTED TO MOVE THE CITY CLOSER TO REALIZING THE VISION THAT THE CITY HAS SET FOR ITSELF AND NOT TO DETRACT FROM THAT VISION. UM, AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF AREAS WHERE THIS, WHERE STAFF CONCLUDED THAT THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION FELL SHORT, UM, INCLUDING LAND OR HOUSING, LAND USE AND CIRCULATION. SO WITH THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, UM, REGARDING HOUSING, AGAIN, DENSITIES OVER 12 UNITS PER ACRE ARE TO BE CONSIDERED ONLY IF A PROJECT IS INCLUDING STRATEGIES FOR ACHIEVING HOUSING DIVERSITY, DIVERSITY, AFFORDABILITY, AND AVAILABILITY. AND, UM, BASED ON THEIR ORIGINAL APPLICATION, WHICH WAS THEN CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UM, THE, THE COMMITMENTS THAT THEY WERE MAKING AT THAT TIME DID NOT. UM, THEY WERE AGREEING TO NO SHORT TERM RENTALS FOR 30 YEARS AND THEN NO ADDITIONAL COMMITMENTS REGARDING AFFORDABILITY OR DIVERSITY. UM, THERE'S ALSO SOME THINGS REGARDING LAND USE, UM, THAT STAFF FELT IN THE ORIGINAL EVALUATION THAT THE APPLICATION DIDN'T LIVE UP TO THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, AS WELL AS CIRCULATION, UM, REGARDING SHARED USE PATHS AND CONNECTIONS THROUGH THE SITE. UM, SO AGAIN, IN THE, OR WITH THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION [00:55:01] THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION STAFF'S CONCLUSION, WHAT THE, WAS THAT THE ZONE CHANGE DID NOT MEET MULTIPLE FINDINGS, UM, AS LISTED HERE ON THE SCREEN AND IN YOUR PACKET. UM, AND SO STAFF DID RECOMMEND DENIAL AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LEVEL, UM, BASED ON LACK OF COMPLIANCE WITH ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS AND INCONSISTENCY WITH ADOPTED PLANS. UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM IN SEPTEMBER. UM, THEY, AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING, THEY UM, LISTENED TO OUR PRESENTATION. THEY HEARD THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, ASKED QUESTIONS, HEARD PUBLIC TESTIMONY, UM, DELIBERATED AMONGST THEMSELVES. AND AT THE END THEY DID VOTE SIX TO ONE TO RECOMMEND CITY COUNCIL DENY THE ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION. AND THEN AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THEY ALSO DENIED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION. UM, SINCE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED, UM, A NUMBER OF PROPOSED CHANGES OR UPDATES TO THE PLAN. THOSE ARE LISTED IN YOUR PACKET. WE, WE GOT THESE IN THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER, THE LAST ONE BEING ON NOVEMBER 17TH, UM, WHICH WAS BEFORE THE DEADLINE FOR THIS PACKET, BUT NOT REALLY WITH ENOUGH TIME TO PROVIDE A FULL EVALUATION. SO THEY ARE BEING PRESENTED TO YOU AS PRESENTED TO US BY THE APPLICANT. UM, THE MOST PROBABLY SIGNIFICANT, UM, CHANGES THAT WERE MADE WERE REGARDING COMMITMENTS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING THAT UP TO OR THAT 30% OF THE, OF FUTURE UNITS BE RESTRICTED FOR WORK FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH THOSE BROKEN UP, UH, 15% FOR HOUSEHOLDS MAKING 80 TO 150% OF A MI 10% FOR HOUSEHOLDS MAKING 60 TO 80% AND 5% FOR THOSE MAKING LESS THAN 60%. UM, THEY HAVE ALSO CHANGED THE TIMEFRAME TO BE 30 YEARS FROM THE FIRST CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY RATHER THAN 30 YEARS FROM THE DATE OF ZONING APPROVAL. UM, AND THEY AGREED TO SO AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LEVEL BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING DENIAL, UH, WE HAD SOME POTENTIAL CONDITIONS IN THERE IN CASE THE COMMISSION WANTED DISAGREED WITH OUR FINDINGS AND WANTED TO APPROVE THE PROJECT. UM, SO THEY HAVE AGREED TO THAT LIST OF CONDITIONS THAT WAS IN THAT PACKET. UM, BUT GIVEN THE TIMEFRAMES, UM, ALL OF THIS IS TYPICALLY IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND WE DO NOT HAVE A DRAFT OF THAT YET. SO WHAT WE, WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING IS THIS LIST OF COMMITMENTS THAT THEY'VE SAID THAT THEY WILL ENTER INTO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO DO. UM, SO AGAIN, WE'RE HERE AT A COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT. AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THIS, UM, STATE LAW REQUIRING THE APPLICATION TO BE APPROVED OR DENIED WITHIN 180 DAYS, WE COULD NOT PUSH THIS OUT ANY FURTHER. UM, AND SO IN YOUR AGENDA, BILL, THERE ARE MOTIONS FOR APPROVAL AND DENIAL AND THERE ARE POTENTIAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WITH THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IF YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT. UM, AND AS NOTED IN YOUR AGENDA, BILL, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT NEGOTIATING, UM, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF THESE COMPONENTS AFTER THE APPROVAL OF HIS OWN CHANGE. UM, THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION OPEN FOR QUESTIONS. AND AGAIN, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION TO GIVE AS WELL. DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR CARRIE? CARRIE, I SAW SOME INDICATION FROM THE APPLICANT THAT WE MAY HAVE DONE SOME PREVIOUS REZONINGS WITHOUT A DEVELOPMENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. UM, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? IS THAT, UM, SO THEY MENTIONED A COUPLE PROJECTS IN THEIR UPDATED DOCUMENTS, ONE OF THEM BEING THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH WAS A ZONE CHANGE THAT WAS DONE DIRECTLY AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE SCH NIBLEY HILL CFA PLAN. UM, THAT WHICH WE CREATED A NEW ZONING DISTRICT AND THAT WAS MEANT TO IMPLEMENT THE CFA PLAN AND OFFER THAT REZONING TO PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT AREA WITHOUT NEEDING A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND SO THERE WAS A HANDFUL OF PROPERTIES IN THERE THAT DID THAT. UM, THE ONE PROJECT THAT WE'VE HAD BE PROPOSED FOR THAT AREA IS THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE LODGE. AND THERE WAS SOME, UM, CONCERN WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WITH THAT, THAT, UM, SOME OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS BECAUSE IT DID END UP AT CITY COUNCIL ON APPEAL. UM, THEY, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN THAT THEY WISHED THEY HAD A LITTLE MORE NEGOTIATION ABILITY AT THAT, AND THEN THE OTHER PROJECTS MENTIONED. BUT AGAIN, WE DID DO THAT ZONE CHANGE WITHOUT A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. UM, THE [01:00:01] OTHER THINGS MENTIONED IN THE APPLICANT'S LETTER WERE CHANGES TO CFA PLANS, WHICH ARE CHANGES TO PLANNING DOCUMENTS, WHICH WOULD NEVER REQUIRE DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND DIDN'T CONVEY ANY PROPERTY RIGHTS. OKAY. DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, IT DID. THANK YOU. OKAY. ARE WE ASKING GENERAL QUESTIONS OR JUST QUESTIONS FOR CARRIE? WELL, THE APPLICANT'S GONNA HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT. WELL, YEAH, I KNOW. I JUST, I HAD QUESTION, BUT YOU CAN ASK GENERAL QUESTION A QUESTION FOR KURT. MM-HMM . SO KURT, THE, UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING, THEY CAN DO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND IF THIS REZONE REQUEST IS APPROVED, AND LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW A DEVELOPER COMES ALONG AND SAYS, I'D LIKE TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY STARTER HOMES ON THE PROPERTY, WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS THIS REZONE DUE TO THAT POSSIBILITY THAT IT WOULD ELIMINATE IT? BECAUSE THE, THE CONDITIONAL USE IN A MULTIFAMILY RM THREE, IT REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. AND IN THIS CASE, THAT WAS, UM, THEY REQUESTED THAT THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY HAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH, UH, P AND Z. UH, BUT P AND Z DENIED THAT AND THEN THE APPLICANT DID NOT APPEAL IT. OKAY. SO IT, IT WOULD BE OUT, IF THIS IS GRANTED, IT WOULD ONLY BE FOR HIGH DENSITY MULTI, WELL AT LEAST MULTIFAMILY. OKAY. UP TO HIGH DENSITY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, CARRIE, THANK YOU. WHO IS GONNA SPEAK YOU, LUKE, SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M LUKE SEFTON WITH SEFTON ENGINEERING. I'M HERE WITH SUE AND JIM, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. AND, UM, AND DARIUS WITH, UM, THE ATTORNEY, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH HIM. I'LL LET HIM. AND THEN DAVE, DAVE WITH MY OFFICE. DAVE NICOLO, IF I CAN PRONOUNCE IT . SO, UM, LET ME GET STRAIGHTENED OUT HERE REAL QUICK. OKAY. UM, AS CARRIE STATED, UM, THE, UH, ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS DIDN'T INCLUDE A LOT OF THESE THINGS AND AS WE FOUND THIS OUT AND WAS ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE COMMUNITY PLAN NEEDS, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE OWNERS TO AGREE TO THOSE CONDITIONS. UM, AND I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THIS 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY KIND OF THE, SOME OF THE SAME STUFF. SO I WON'T, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE POLICIES AND I'LL GO WITH COMMUNITY PLAN, YOU KNOW, HAS IDENTIFIED THIS AS A TRANSITIONAL AREA. IT'S, AND THEN, UM, THESE ARE ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY AGREED TO. UM, THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AFTER 30 YEARS, UM, PATH, THE PATHWAY EASEMENT TO THE NORTH SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF 15 FEET. IT'S GONNA BE THE PATHWAY'S 10 FOOT WIDE. IT MEETS BASICALLY WHAT THE CITY WANTS. I'M, I CAN GO THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS, BUT IT'S WHAT THE CITY WANTS. UH, THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH THAT. I THINK IT CAN BE AN ASSET FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE THAT PATH TO GO THROUGH THERE. UM, THE REST IS CARRIE SHOWED IN THAT LIST FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS PRETTY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT IS REQUIRED AND WHAT YOU CAN DO. UM, SO LET'S SEE, APPROVAL, THAT'S THE CAP. OKAY. UM, AGAIN, THE SAME CODES. I WANNA LET DAR SPEAK ON THAT ONE. OKAY. UM, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW IT ALL. WELL, LET ME, I SKIPPED A COUPLE HERE. OKAY. THERE'S ALL THE CODES. UM, WE DID SAY WE WERE GOING TO MOVE THE, UM, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A SITE PLAN HERE THAT I JUST ROUGHLY DID, BUT THERE'S AN AREA THAT HAS A FLOODPLAIN IN IT AND WE CAN AVOID THAT. UM, AND IN FACT I THINK IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED, UM, SO THAT THERE'S LESS FLOODING DOWNSTREAM OF THIS. UM, AND AGAIN, UM, IDEALLY HERE ON THE, UM, THE AFFORDABILITY, UM, ANY, ANY MARKET RATE APARTMENTS OR CONDOS OR TOWN HOMES, UM, ARE NEEDED. IT'S A MISSING MIDDLE. THEY HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE BETWEEN HIGH INCOME AND LOW INCOME. YOU HAVE A MISSING MIDDLE. UM, IT'S REALLY SEVERE. UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THAT, UM, THE, THE MARKET RATE COMES FROM. AND IF YOU ADD THAT OUT WITH OUR PERCENTAGES, IT GIVES YOU ABOUT 12 UNITS PER ACRE ON THE MARKET RATE, AND THEN EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE ON THE AFFORDABILITY SPECIFIED OUT BY THE 15%, THE 10%, AND THE 5% FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, [01:05:04] YEAH. UH, WHEN THEY GO THROUGH, THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE DREAM, WHICH IS THE DESIGN ENGINEERING DESIGN REVIEW ENGINEERING ADMINISTRATIVE MANUAL AND THE LDC, WHICH PRETTY HAS A PRETTY GOOD TIGHT DESIGN ON WHAT YOU CAN DO DOWN TO THE COLORS, THE SIZING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY EXCEPTION OF THE LDC OR THE DREAM. WE, UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY RESTRICTING THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE HOUSING FOR AFFORDABILITY, THE, AND THE PATHWAY. SO, UM, AGAIN, WE'LL THIS IS IN LINE WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN TO HAVE THE PATHWAY THROUGH THERE. I'LL HAVE A WATER BOTTLING THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS. UM, AND THAT THEY PAY FOR THAT. THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS. NO, NO. THE CON RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS SAY THAT WE WILL NOT BE PROVIDING ANY CREDITS FOR IT. NO, I CORRECT, CORRECT. I THINK THE COST RIGHT HERE AND YES, YOU'RE CORRECT. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY WILL, UH, THE, UH, DEVELOPER WILL BEAR ALL THOSE COSTS. SO THEY'LL LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT CONNECTIONS OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND THOSE SUSTAINABILITY THAT HAS TO BE WORKED IN WITH THE BUILDINGS. UM, THERE'S A PRETTY STRINGENT USE WITH, UM, YOUR APPLIANCES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT THEY CAN ADD IN SOME MORE IN THE OPEN SPACE OR SOME, SOME INTERACTION WITH THE AREA THERE. UM, AGAIN AND AGAIN, WHAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO SAY THE 30 YEARS FROM THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE DEVELOPER'S GONNA GET IN THERE AND, YOU KNOW, DO THAT. AND, AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE 30 YEARS AND YOU HAVE ONE DAY, YOU KNOW. UM, SO THIS WOULD BE IN ALL THE WAY THROUGH IT. UM, BUT IF YOU GO THROUGH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, I MEAN, A LOT OF IT TALKS ABOUT THE GOALS COVER HOUSING. I THINK THIS PROJECT, UM, IS RIGHT THERE WHERE IT CAN BE. UM, GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF SCALE. THIS IS 2.8 ACRES FOR GOOD ROW, WHICH IS THEY'RE DOING ABOUT, UH, 20 UNITS, JUST SHY, I THINK 19 UNITS PER ACRE. UM, AND I JUST THREW THIS TOGETHER AND THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, 20 UNITS PER ACRE AND THIS WOULD BE THE FLOOD PLAIN COMING THROUGH HERE. UM, AND THEN THERE'S OPEN SPACE. UM, THE PARKING'S A LITTLE BIT MUCH THERE. UM, I WAS JUST SKETCHING. SO THE, I THINK IT'S WAY OVER PARKED, BUT IT, IT CAN BE DONE. UM, LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN GET A, A SPECIAL USE PATH. UM, I WAS LOOKING RIGHT THROUGH HERE TO COME THROUGH HERE, COME AROUND HERE. AND TO GO DOWN THROUGH HERE IS AN IDEA TO GET PEOPLE FROM A DANTE AND TRANQUIL OVER TO THE SAFEWAY, UM, COMMERCIAL THERE. UM, OF COURSE THIS IS, UM, THERE'S A, A BUS STOP HERE. UM, WE GOT THE COMMERCIAL THERE THAT THEY CAN WALK TO, TO THE STORE. UM, AND THERE'S OTHER RESIDENT, OUR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES IN THE AREA THAT THEY CAN GO TO. THEY CAN WALK DOWN TO PIZZA LISA OR DAWN DELUCAS, LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE DO FROM WYNDHAM AND ROUGE. SO IT MAKES A GOOD AREA FOR THAT. UM, BUT I THINK WITH THE CONDITIONS WE ARE MEETING ALL THE THINGS THAT THE CITY CAN BE CONCERNED ABOUT. UM, AND OF COURSE WE'RE MEETING THE NEEDS FOR HOUSING TOO. TWO, UM, DARIUS YOU WANT TO TALK FOR A FEW MINUTES? SO GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME IS DARIUS MATI. I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH ASBY WATKINS AND DIESEL AT ONE 20 SOLDIERS PASS ROAD. SEDONA. UM, I'D LIKE TO FIRST JUST ADDRESS A FEW ITEMS THAT WERE RAISED IN THE, THE STAFF PRESENTATION. UM, FIRST BEING AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING HEARING THERE, THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF THIS 180 DAY TIME LIMIT THAT HAS COME UP A A FEW TIMES. I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT PER THE STATUTE, THE APPLICANT CAN, UPON WRITTEN REQUEST, RECEIVE A 30 DAY CONTINUANCE, MULTIPLE 30 DAY CONTINUANCES WHEN IT CAME TO LIGHT AT PLANNING AND ZONING, THAT THERE WERE SOME PERCEIVED DEFICIENCIES IN THE APPLICATION OR REQUEST WAS MADE FOR A CONTINUANCE BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING. UH, THAT REQUEST WAS DENIED. AND SO THE REASON THAT THIS MAY SEEM, UH, A LITTLE RUSHED, I, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, IT COMES OFF THAT WAY, IS BECAUSE THE APPLICANTS HAVE DECIDED TO PROCEED WITHIN THE 180 DAY TIME LIMIT THAT'S BEING IMPOSED WITHOUT ANY, UH, CONTINUANCES BEING GRANTED. UH, WITH REGARD TO THE CUP, MY IMPRESSION FROM REVIEW OF THE HEARING [01:10:01] WAS THAT IT WAS BASICALLY RENDERED MOOT, UH, BECAUSE THEY WERE RECOMMENDING TO DENY. HOWEVER, I HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT THROUGH DISCUSSION WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, THE CUP CAN BE REVISITED SHOULD COUNSEL CHOOSE TO VOTE AYE, ON THIS PROPOSAL. UM, SO I BELIEVE THAT WILL NOT BE A, UH, THAT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD HOLD THIS UP. THE CUP CAN BE DEALT WITH THROUGH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. UM, MOREOVER, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE HOUSE THAT IS PRESENTLY LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY AND A REQUEST FOR PRESERVATION. I HAVE DISCUSSED WITH NATE MEYER, I BELIEVE HIS IN ATTENDANCE AND CAN SPEAK TO THAT. BUT THE, THE HOUSE IS NOT LANDMARKED. IT MAY NOT EVEN BE ELIGIBLE FOR LANDMARKING DUE TO IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE MADE SINCE IT'S, UH, FROM ITS ORIGINAL HISTORICAL CONDITION TO NOW. UH, IN ANY EVENT, THE OWNERS HAVE ELECTED NOT TO LANDMARK. AND SO I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE MADE A REQUEST TO CONSIDER OPTIONS FOR PRESERVATION, BUT HAS NO AUTHORITY TO IMPOSE PRESERVATION. THAT BEING SAID, THE APPLICANTS ARE INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH THE COMMITTEE. THEY HAVE ALREADY PERMITTED PHOTOGRAPHIC DOCUMENTATION OF THE HOUSE. I HAVE DISCUSSED WITH NATE, UH, POSSIBILITIES SUCH AS 3D MAPPING TO MAKE A BETTER RECORD OF THE EXISTING HOUSE. UM, AND, AND EVEN SHOULD THE FUNDING BECOME AVAILABLE, UH, TO MOVE THE HOUSE, WE, THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH, WITH COMMISSIONS AND, AND LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS TO PRESERVE THE HOUSE TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. UM, NOW WITH REGARD TO THIS APPLICATION, CLEARLY I HAVE SOME ARGUMENTS PREPARED AS TO WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE YES. BUT THE, THE STRONGEST ARGUMENT COMES FROM THE CITY ITSELF, FROM THE COMMUNITY PLAN. UH, AS I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE, THIS IS A FOUNDATIONAL DOCUMENT. IT'S PREPARED WITH GREAT CARE, UH, FROM CITY STAFF TO COUNCIL PLANNING AND ZONING, AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. NOW, WE UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT A BINDING LAND USE ORDINANCE, UH, BUT I WILL QUOTE THAT THE PLAN IS INTENDED TO CONVEY THE COMMUNITY'S SHARED VISION, VALUES, AND PRIORITIES TO ALL RESIDENTS, PROPERTY OWNERS, BUSINESSES, DEVELOPERS, AND CITY STAFF. IT IS A DECISION MAKING GUIDE FOR CITY COUNCIL AND FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION END QUOTE, THE COMMUNITY PLANS FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS A MANIFESTATION OF THESE VISIONS, VALUES, AND PRIORITIES THAT FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATES THIS PARCEL FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND MORE SPECIFICALLY AT THE RM THREE DENSITY LEVEL. YOU KNOW, INDEED, JIM SPINDLE AND SUE YOUNG KIM, THE APPLICANTS, THEY BEGAN THIS REZONING PROCESS AFTER THE CITY APPROACHED THEM, SEEKING APPROVAL TO DESIGNATE THIS AS RM THREE ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. MOREOVER, CITY STAFF STATED AT THE BEGINNING, AND AGAIN AT THE P AND Z HEARING THAT A REZONING APPLICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO PROCEED. THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS. UH, HOWEVER, THE BASIS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL DOES SEEM TO CALL FOR MANY OF THE ITEMS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SOME OF THESE SPECIFICS THAT COME OUT THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS WITH A DEVELOPER. NOW, JIM AND SUE YOUNG, THEY ARE NOT SOPHISTICATED DEVELOPERS. THEY ARE LOCAL RESIDENTS WHO SEE A PROBLEM IN SEDONA AND WANT TO HELP FIX IT. THERE ARE MANY, AS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, COMMITMENTS IN THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, INCLUDING, I WON'T REITERATE THE AFFORDABILITY COMMITMENTS. UM, JUST HIGH LEVEL, THE COMMITMENTS TO CONNECT TRANQUIL AND MEDU EASEMENTS FOR A LAND USE PATH, UM, PATH SHALL BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LCD, UH, LDC, GHOST SEDONA COMMUNITIES PATHWAY PROGRAM. I'LL ADMIT, AS THEIR COUNCIL RETAINED TO ADVISE THEM ON THIS PROJECT, I STATED A FEW TIMES, SLOW DOWN. YOU'RE GIVING A LOT TO THE CITY AT ITS OWN CHANGE RIGHT NOW. YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF HIT TO YOUR MARKETABILITY OF THIS PROPERTY BY ENCUMBERING WITH ALL OF THESE THINGS. BUT MY CLIENTS WERE VERY ADAMANT THAT THEY HAVE A VISION FOR THIS PARCEL. THAT THEY HAVE A VISION FOR SEDONA TO BE A CITY THAT'S WELCOMING TO FAMILIES AND TO WORKING FOLKS WHO CURRENTLY CAN'T FIND A SPOT HERE. YOU KNOW, I GREW UP IN FLAGSTAFF, WENT TO SCHOOL HIGH SCHOOL WITH A NOT TO HIGH SCHOOL. I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH A LOT OF FRIENDS WHO ENDED UP AT RED ROCK. UM, I WAS COLLEAGUES WITH A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS I WENT TO FOLLOW WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF COMMUTERS FROM, FROM SEDONA. I COULD COUNT ON ONE HAND THE AMOUNT WHO STILL LIVE IN THE AREA. WE HAVE A SERIOUS CRISIS ON OUR HANDS. UM, SO THIS EVENING, COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECTIFY PAST DECISIONS BASED ON FURTHER INFORMATION, FURTHER COMMITMENTS THAT HAVE COME FROM MY CLIENTS TO ENSURE THAT THIS REZONING IS IN ACCORD WITH THE VISION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH AGAIN, ITSELF CALLS FOR THIS PARCEL TO BE DESIGNATED. RM THREE. UH, THOSE INCLUDE CERTAIN LAND USE AND HOUSING POLICIES. UH, FOR INSTANCE, POLICY 5.1 SEEKS TO EXPAND SEDONAS MIX OF HOUSING TYPES TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A DIVERSE AND VIBRANT COMMUNITY. POLICIES 5.2 THROUGH 5.4 DISCUSS INCREASING HOUSING DIVERSITY WITH STRATEGIES THAT PROMOTE THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE AND MARKET RATE HOUSING. IN SEDONA, POLICY 5.5 SEEK TO INCREASE THE VERDE VALLEY'S SUPPLY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE AREA'S WORKFORCE, HOMELESS AND OTHERS IN NEED. LAND USE. POLICIES THAT SUPPORT THIS INCLUDE POLICY 4.6 TO TRANSFORM THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS INTO A [01:15:01] MIX OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND PUBLIC USES WHILE CONNECTED FOR WALKING, BIKING, OR USING TRANSIT. AND THIS IS AN IDEAL PARCEL FOR THAT. IT'S IN THE HEART OF THE WESTERN SEDONA CORRIDOR. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS SOON TO BECOME A CFA. SO WE DON'T HAVE THE FULL DETAILS ON THE VISION OF THAT CFA, BUT FROM EXTENSIVE REVIEW OF CITY DOCUMENTS PRIOR, CFA'S PRIOR COMMUNITY PLANS, THIS WEST SEDONA CORRIDOR IS THE EXACT LOCATION THAT WOULD BE PRIME FOR THIS. UH, IT'LL FULFILL THOSE KEY POLICIES, INCLUDING WORKFORCE AND FAMILY HOUSING IN THE WEST SEDONA CORRIDOR, PROMOTING THE DIVERSE AND VIBRANT COMMUNITY THAT IS ENVISIONED BY THE COMMUNITY PLAN. FAMILIES WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE WITHIN WALKING, BIKING, UM, OR OR OTHER, YOU KNOW, EASILY COMMUTABLE DISTANCES FOR EMPLOYMENT GROCERY STORES AND AMENITIES SUCH AS THEATERS AND RESTAURANTS THAT ARE LOCATED IN THIS AREA. NOW, ULTIMATELY, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL STILL BE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL, UM, BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT UNDER THE GUIDELINES IMPOSED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE DREAM MANUAL, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE GHOST SEDONAS PATHWAYS PLAN, THE CLIMATE PLAN, ALL OF THESE WILL STILL BE IN EFFECT. THERE IS NO BLANK CHECK TO ANY DEVELOPER BEING HANDED OUT BY, BY APPROVING OF THIS REZONING APPLICATION. UM, FURTHERMORE, A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON A PARTIAL OF PARCEL OF THIS SIZE WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY REQUIRE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WILL BE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY COUNSEL. AND THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL DISCUSSED IN THE LETTER OF INTENT CAN CERTAINLY BE INCORPORATED INTO A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. WHAT THIS PROPOSAL DOES IS GET THE REZONING ACCOMPLISHED, PAVE THE WAY FOR THIS FOR, FOR THE VISION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN TO COME TO FRUITION AND SKETCH OUT THE BACKBONE OF THE AGREEMENT THAT WILL COME INTO EFFECT TO ENSURE THAT IT IS IN ACCORD WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND THE STATED GOALS. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THE CITY HAS EARMARKED SIGNIFICANT FUNDS TOWARDS THE GOAL OF BUILDING MORE HOUSING AND HAS EVEN SUBSIDIZED SUCH PROJECTS. THIS APPLICATION SEEKS NO SPECIAL TREATMENT, NO PUBLIC FUNDS. UH, THERE ARE NO VARIANCE REQUESTED IN HERE THAT WOULD GO BEYOND THE GUIDELINES AND THE REQUIREMENTS, THE HARD REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE DREAM MANUAL, AND OTHER, UH, PLANS THAT I HAVE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY. UM, SO AS IT STANDS, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS REZONED IS ZONED CURRENTLY FOR MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH NO RESTRICTIONS ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS, AFFORDABILITY, OR OTHERWISE. SO APPROVING THIS REZONE WILL BRING THE CITY CLOSER TO THE, TO THE GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN. AS DISCUSSED, UH, THE ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION IS EXPECTED TO MOVE THE CITY CLOSER TO THE VISIONS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN. THAT IS WHAT THIS REZONE DOES. AGAIN, I I REITERATE BECAUSE THE PLAN ITSELF CALLS FOR THIS PARCEL TO BE ZONED AS RM THREE. SO, APPROVING THIS APPLICATION WILL BE A CRUCIAL STEP TOWARDS BRINGING THE VISIONS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN TO FRUITION. IT WILL SIGNAL TO COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS AND DEVELOPERS ALIKE THAT THE CITY IS SERIOUS ABOUT CONFRONTING THIS LONGSTANDING HOUSING CRISIS. UH, AGAIN, I KNOW YOU ARE AWARE THE COMMUNITY PLAN WAS ADOPTED AFTER A GREAT INVESTMENT OF RESOURCES AND TIME FROM CITY STAFF TO YOU COUNSELORS. I BELIEVE AT LEAST FIVE OF YOU HAVE YOUR NAME ON THIS CURRENT COMMUNITY PLAN SIGNALING APPROVAL. UM, ONE THING WE NEED TO CONSIDER IS WHAT DOES THE COMMUNITY PLAN MEAN TO CITIZENS? YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO HAVE TRUST THAT THIS DOCUMENT IS BEING RESPECTED AND THAT IS BEING CARRIED. ITS VISIONS ARE BEING CARRIED FORWARD. UM, SO I DO BELIEVE THAT APPROVING THIS APPLICATION WILL BRING THIS VISION TO FRUITION. IT DISCUSSES AT LENGTH THE NEED TO CREATE MORE DIVERSE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS APPLICATION SEEKS TO DO. NOW, SEDONAS HOUSING CRISIS, IT'S NOT A NATURAL FEATURE LIKE CATHEDRAL ROCK, BELL ROCK OR OAK CREEK CANYON, NOR IS IT A MYSTICAL METAPHYSICAL PHENOMENON LIKE VORTEXES OR MAGIC CRYSTALLINE MINERALS THAT MAY BE POPULAR AROUND THE CITY. THIS IS A HUMAN CAUSED PHENOMENON, AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF INTEREST IN DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE TRIED TO GET THESE DEVELOPMENTS THROUGH. I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A FUNCTION OF THE FREE MARKET EITHER. THIS CRISIS IS A BYPRODUCT OF PUBLIC POLICY, AND THE SOLUTION MUST COME WITH THE CITY'S PARTICIPATION BY HAVING THE WILL TO SUPPORT WORKING FAMILIES. UM, AND, AND OTHER FOLKS WHO ARE JUST DESPERATE FOR HOUSING. THEY WANT TO LIVE IN THIS AREA, THEY WANT TO WORK IN THIS AREA, BUT THEY JUST CAN'T FIND IT. AND FOR THESE REASONS, I STRONGLY URGE COUNSEL TO APPROVE THE INSTANT APPLICATION FOR REZONING OF THESE PARCELS SO THAT THE CITY AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS MAY BRING FORTH THE VISION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND ADDRESS THE VITAL NEED FOR HOUSING IN SEDONA. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ARE YOU COMPLETED, LUKE? GOOD. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? DEREK, DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY SAY THAT THE CITY APPROACHED YOUR CLIENTS ABOUT REZONING TO RM THREE, UH, TO, TO HAVE IT DESIGNATED AS SUCH ON THE COMMUNITY PLAN? AND THEN MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT A, A PREVIOUS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, UM, NOT TONY OR STEVE, THE ONE BEFORE MIKE GRABBER, MIKE GRABBER, HAD APPROACHED JIM AND SUE YOUNG [01:20:01] TO BEGIN THE DIALOGUE AND TO EXPRESS THE CITY'S DESIRE THAT THIS BE ZONE TO RM THREE. CARRIE, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, THIS PROPERTY WAS DESIGNATED PLANNED AREA IN THE PREVIOUS COMMUNITY PLAN. WE WERE GETTING RID OF THAT DESIGNATION, AND MOST OF THE PLANNED AREAS WENT TO MIXED USE. THIS ONE WENT TO HIGH DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY, UM, TO ELIMINATE A POTENTIAL OF COMMERCIAL ON THE PROPERTY. BUT ANY PROPERTY THAT WAS BEING CHANGED AS PART OF THAT COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE CONTACTED. 'CAUSE WE DON'T MAKE THOSE KIND OF CHANGES WITHOUT THEIR APPROVAL. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT, MIKE, MIKE GRABBER WAS A SENIOR PLANNER HERE. HE WORKED HERE FOR 30 PLUS YEARS IN THE LONG RANGE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS REGARDING MULTIFAMILY ON THIS PROPERTY HAVE BEEN KIND OF ONGOING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. SO HE COULD HAVE APPROACHED THEM, BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE LOOK FOR WHEN WE DO A REZONING IS HOW ARE WE, WHAT KIND OF ASSURANCES ARE WE GETTING AND WHAT, WHAT IS THAT APPLICATION? SO, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT WAS SUBMITTED, WE REVIEWED THAT. AND THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S THE EVALUATION THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET. OKAY. HAVE ANY DEVELOPERS APPROACHED YOUR CLIENT OR HAVE YOUR CLIENT, HAS YOUR CLIENT HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH DEVELOPERS ABOUT THIS SITE? YEAH, THERE'S BEEN A FEW PEOPLE, UM, SHOWING INTEREST IN IT. UM, THEY'RE JUST WAITING TO SEE. UM, I HADN'T GOT INTO ANY NUMBERS OF THEM BECAUSE I WANTED TO KEEP KIND SEPARATE FROM THAT. SO WE GOT, SO I GET WHAT THE CITY WAS KIND OF WANTING ON THIS PROPERTY, ON THE RESTRICTIONS. UM, SO I DIDN'T WANT A WHOLE LOT OF INPUT, BUT THERE'S BEEN, I KNOW OF THREE THAT HAVE LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY FOR APARTMENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR PETE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME. MR. ATTORNEY . DARIUS MA MOODY. MANU MA MOODY, MAH, MATT MOODY, MOUD. GOT IT. MATT MOODY. BUT I PUT THE EMPHASIS ON THE PRONUNCIATION. IT COMES OUT A LITTLE BETTER. I WANTED A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION ON ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID, AND IT'S PERTAINING TO THIS LEGAL RIGHT, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO ASK FOR AN EXTENSION OF THE DEADLINE. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU AGREE, I THINK WE ALL AGREE, EVERYONE'S SEEN THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN KIND OF FLUID. THERE'S WAS SUBMISSIONS AND THEN SOME CHANGES AS IT WENT TO PNZ, AND THEN THERE'S BEEN SUBSEQUENT CHANGES THAT HAVE COME TO US. UH, UH, BUT WHEN YOU DESCRIBED THAT, I THOUGHT, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOUR CLIENTS MIGHT HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION, BUT SOMETHING HAPPENED AT PNZ AND IT SOMETHING WAS DENIED, AND THEN YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD. SO I WANNA ASK, YOU KNOW, BLUNTLY, WHAT'S YOUR POSITION TODAY? WHAT'S YOUR ADVICE TO YOUR, YOUR APPLICANTS, YOUR CLIENTS, OR WHAT'S THE CLIENT'S POSITION ABOUT ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION? THERE'S LOTS OF MOVING PARTS, THERE'S DETAILS THAT AREN'T NAILED DOWN. WHAT'S THE POSITION HERE ABOUT WHETHER, BECAUSE WE'RE UP AGAINST THE CLOCK, IS ARE, IS YOUR CLIENTS OPEN WILLING TO, UH, UH, TO ASK FOR AN EXTENSION? OR IS, IS THAT A DONE DEAL NOT GONNA HAPPEN? UH, COUNSELOR? YES. JUST TO CLARIFY, AT PLANNING AND ZONING, WHAT, WHAT OCCURRED WAS THAT, UH, IT CAME TO LIGHT THAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WAS RECOMMENDING DENIAL. UH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION, I UNDERSTAND PRIOR TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING HEARING THAT THEY COULD REWRITE THE ENTIRETY OF THE LETTER OF INTENT OVER THE WEEKEND AND THEN PROVIDE THAT AT PLANNING AND ZONING THAT WAS NOT, UH, REALISTIC IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THAT DONE. AND THEN TO PROCEED WITH A, WITH A WHOLE NEW LETTER OF INTENT. SO AT, AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING HEARING, UH, WHEN IT BECAME CLEAR THAT THE DENIAL WAS BEING RECOMMENDED, UH, DUE TO THESE DEFICIENCIES, THE APPLICANTS DID REQUEST A 30 DAY CONTINUANCE AT THAT TIME. UM, A AGAIN, AS THE LAW STATES, THE DECISION MAKING COMMITTEE CAN GRANT A 30 DAY CONTINUANCE UPON THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, I DO NOT KNOW THAT THERE WAS REASONING ON THE RECORD AS TO WHY THEY DENIED THAT REQUEST. UM, BUT NONETHELESS, IT WAS DENIED. UM, THE APPLICANTS THEN DECIDED TO PROCEED TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY STRONGLY BELIEVE IN THIS PROJECT. THEY REACHED OUT TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS, HAD A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON THE PROJECT, AND DECIDED THAT IT WAS WORTH IT TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL. EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT USED TO SEEING FOLKS COMING IN HERE AFTER PNZ RECOMMENDS A DENIAL. UM, THEY'RE VERY STEADFAST IN THIS VISION FOR THIS PROPERTY. LUKE, DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE JUST TO DISCUSS, UM, A, A CONTINUANCE TONIGHT TO NAIL DOWN MM-HMM . UM, WELL, WE ASKED FOR IT TO BE TABLED, AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS SAID THAT WE HAD A TIME LIMIT THAT HAD TO BE DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE [01:25:01] YEAR. SO WE'VE BEEN UNDER THIS TIME UNIT EVERY TIME, UM, TO GET THIS BACK IN. UM, IF, IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WANTS, I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY CAN ENTERTAIN THAT. BUT, UM, I WANT TO HEAR EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, LET, LET ME, LET ME BE CLEAR, AND I'M GONNA STEP IN FRONT OF MY CITY ATTORNEY HERE AND THEN, AND THEN LOOK AT HIM. BUT I BELIEVE IT'S REQUIRED THAT THE APPLICANT IS THE INITIATOR OF THIS IN A WRITTEN REQUEST. AND I DON'T, YOU, YOU COULD ASK THE P AND Z, BUT THAT'S NOT THE PROCESS. THE PROCESS IS TO FILE AN EXTENSION REQUEST, AND YOU COULD STILL DO THAT, BUT THAT'S THE STEP THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. IT'S NOT A DISCUSSION WITH US ABOUT YOUR LEGAL RIGHT IS TO FILE THAT REQUEST. AND AM DID I UNDER, DID I MISSTATE THAT AT ALL? ? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. COUNSELOR FURMAN. YEAH. SO I, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT YOU MIGHT SAY THAT THE, YOUR CLIENTS WERE OPEN TO REQUEST, BUT, UH, A REQUEST FOR EXTENSION, BUT IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED, THE OBLIGATION HERE IS TO FILE A PIECE OF PAPER THAT GIVES CLARITY TO THE LAW AND CAN'T BE USED AGAINST ANYONE IN THE FUTURE. THAT THAT'S WHAT YOUR INTENT IS. AND SO THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS IN MY MIND ABOUT WHETHER YOUR, AND MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT NOW, WE COULD SEE HOW THE REST OF THE HEARING GOES. YOU COULD KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT HAPPEN, AND THEN YOU COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION. AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ANSWER THAT NOW, I WILL ASK THAT QUESTION AGAIN LATER. BUT IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION, AND IT'S NOT, WE TRIED TO DO SOMETHING AT P AND Z, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT PROCESS. THERE'S A VERY PRO FORMA PROCESS HERE OF WHO'S GOTTA INITIATE THIS. AND IT'S IN YOUR CLIENT'S HANDS. THAT IS CORRECT, COUNSELOR. AND THERE WAS, THERE WAS NO WRITTEN REQUEST PRIOR TO THE PNZ HEARING. FURTHER, WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS A PERMISSIVE LANGUAGE IN THE STATUTE. THEY MAY GRANT A CONTINUANCE. SO I WAS JUST HOPING TO, TO MAKE CLEAR WHAT HAPPENED AT PNZ, NOT TO TRY AND THROW THEM UNDER THE BUS. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO YOU COULD TRY TO ANSWER MY QUESTION NOW, OR YOU COULD DEFER THAT TILL LATER, BUT, UH, I'M GONNA ASK IT . YES, COUNSELOR, WE, WE WOULD ELECT TO DEFER IF THAT IS ON THE TABLE. UH, CARRIE, DID YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO, TO THAT EXCHANGE? I'M JUST, YEAH. THE REQUEST AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WAS FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO CONTINUE IT, AS HAS BEEN DONE FOR OTHER APPLICATIONS WHERE THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS. UM, A CONTINUANCE GIVES THE APPLICANT AND STAFF TO, YOU KNOW, TIME TO WORK ON THINGS. UM, BECAUSE OF THE TIMEFRAMES WITH THE RESIDENTIAL REZONING APPLICATION, WE DID NOT BELIEVE THAT A CONTINUANCE WAS, UM, POSSIBLE GIVEN THAT WE STILL HAD TO GET THIS APPLICATION TO PLANNING AND ZONING OR TO CITY COUNCIL. SO WE, UM, DID NOT RECOMMEND A CONTINUANCE THAT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CONTINUE THE ITEM. OKAY. AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, MR. SEFTON, IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, AND ONE OF YOUR SLIDES SAID, TALKED ABOUT CLUSTERING BUILDINGS AND, AND WAS ALLUDING TO, AND, AND, AND THEN THE ATTORNEY SPOKE, YOU WERE ALLUDING TO WHAT A SITE PLAN MIGHT LOOK LIKE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN. AND THEN YOUR, THE ATTORNEY SAID THAT YOU ARE, YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, TYING THE HANDS OF A FUTURE PARTNER IN THIS WHO, WHO MAY ACTUALLY BE THE DEVELOPER. SO MY, MY, MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH, AND AGAIN, I'M GONNA BE VERY BLUNT HERE, ARE YOU SURE YOU WANNA DO THIS? UM, BECAUSE YOU, YOU'RE COMING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT IS, MIGHT WANT TO DRASTICALLY CHANGE IN TERMS OF BUILDING PLACEMENT, AND THOSE HANDS ARE GONNA BE TIED BY SOMETHING THAT GOES FORWARD. SO I, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE. IF YOU COULD SHED SOME LIGHT ON THAT, PLEASE. YEAH. UM, OKAY. THE CLUSTERING, UM, YOU CAN WORK THAT INTO THE SITE OF WHERE TO CLUSTER IT, UM, TO AVOID SOME OF THE PLACES THERE. UM, THE CONDITIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DIGA REQUIRE, THE DIGA SAYS ANYTHING OVER 12 UNITS PER ACRE, YOU SHOULD TRY TO DO AFFORDABILITY ON THAT. UM, SO IF A FUTURE DEVELOPER COMES IN, EVEN IF THEY, YOU DON'T HAVE THESE CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL. UM, OR IF THIS GETS DONE FURTHER, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF RECOMMENDED BY THE DIGGER. SO WE WERE DOING 12 OF MARKET RATE AND THE REST. OKAY. BUT THINGS LIKE ADDRESSING, UH, THE FLOODPLAIN AND HOW YOU MAY WANNA POSITION BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, IN ADDRESSING THAT AND BUFFER ZONES AND THE SHARED USE PATH AND WHERE YOU MAY WANT, WHERE A DEVELOPER, 'CAUSE THERE'S, AGAIN, PART OF THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT THERE'S NOT A DEVELOPER, [01:30:01] UM, AT THE MOMENT. SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VISION IS AND WHAT SOMETHING'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'D BE TYING THE HANDS OF WHERE A BUFFER ZONE COULD GO, WHAT NEGOTIATIONS YOU MAY WANT WITH NEIGHBORS AT SOME POINT IN ORDER TO ALLEVIATE SOME CONCERNS THAT THEY'RE RAISING. UM, CAN I DO THAT? YEAH. UH, COUNSELOR, YES. YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ALL VALID QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTION. I, I THINK TO CLARIFY THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT ARE TIED TO THE LETTER OF INTENT AND THE ORDINANCE THAT IS BEFORE, YOU DO NOT INCLUDE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR ANY OF THESE SPECIFICS. O OF THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD COME DOWN THE ROAD. IT'S SOLELY FOCUSED ON AFFORDABILITY, UM, AND THE SHORT TERM RENTAL RESTRICTION, ALONG WITH COMMITMENTS TO IMPROVE ACCESS, THE ROADS TO COMPLY WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL TO, TO BE HONEST, SOME OF THESE ARE ALREADY THINGS THAT WILL BE REQUIRED, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO MEMORIALIZE THEM TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR. BUT WHEN THE TIME COMES FOR ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS TO BE SUBMITTED, UH, THESE ARE ALL REQUIREMENTS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ANYWAYS. SO, AGAIN, HIGH DENSITY, UH, DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THIS WILL NEED TO GO THROUGH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. THEY WILL LIKELY SEEK TO USE THE DIGA THAT WILL IMPOSE THESE CONDITIONS. UM, AND, AND CLUSTERING AND ALL THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, ARE DISCUSSED IN THE DREAM, THE LDC, AND THAT IS STILL THE, THE WITHIN COMMUNITY'S HANDS TO APPROVE OR DENY. SO THE DEVELOPER WILL NOT HAVE THEIR HANDS TIED AT TO A SPECIFIC SITE PLAN CONFIRMING A TYPE OF CLUSTERING. BUT THOSE ARE ALREADY EXISTING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE LAW THAT WILL HAVE TO BE COMPLIED WITH UPON DEVELOPMENT. BUT WE'RE A STEP BEFORE THAT JUST TRYING TO GET THE REZONE THROUGH, BECAUSE AGAIN, DEVELOPERS HAVE EXPRESSED THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE REZONE. AND SO THAT IS THE GOAL TONIGHT. I'LL WAIT FOR LATER, DEREK. SO KURT, WE'VE SEEN ALL THESE PAGES OF CONDITIONS THAT THEY PROPOSED TO INCLUDE IN SOME DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OF SOME KIND, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF AN EXTENSION, IF THOSE MATTERS WERE ADDRESSED, WOULD THAT BE A, FROM YOUR VIEWPOINT, A COMPLETE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? OR WOULD THAT LEAVE GAPS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE FUTURE? UH, IN ORDER WITH A, WHOEVER THE DEVELOPER ENDS UP BEING? I, I MEAN, THAT DEPENDS, UM, MAYOR AND COUNCILORS. SO THE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY COVER THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM. WE COULD PUT THEM IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE WOULD BE LEFT. UM, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD IT FROM, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL, WHAT ELSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. UM, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS CAN BE VERY EXTENSIVE. UH, WE GENERALLY LEAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND JUST TAKE THE MORE COMPLICATED ONES AND PUT THOSE IN THE, IN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. SO AFFORDABILITY, SHORT-TERM RENTAL RESTRICTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. OKAY. SO, YEAH, I'M, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT THE, FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT WHAT SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T GO, YOU KNOW, AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL OR NOT, UH, WE'LL TAKE THAT DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL. UM, BUT ANY OF THE COMPLICATED ITEMS SHOULD GO IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. OKAY. AND, UM, I WOULD JUST REITERATE COUNCILOR ELLA'S QUESTION, WHICH IS, YOU SURE YOU WANNA DO THIS? ? I MEAN, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN PRACTICING REAL ESTATE LAW FOR LONGER THAN I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. UM, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS ARE FICKLE WHAT THEY WANT ONE DAY, THEY DON'T WANT THE NEXT DAY. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU DO THIS, AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND SAY, OH, WELL, I WISH YOU HADN'T DONE IT THAT WAY. SO, I MEAN, I'M, I REPRESENT A LOT OF DEVELOPERS AND I'M ACCUSTOMED TO THEM COMING TO CITIES OR COUNTIES WITH A PLAN AND SAYING, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO, AND HERE'S WHAT WE NEED YOU TO REZONE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO, GIVES THE CITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE ALL THE POSSIBLE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND UTILITY AVAILABILITY AND ALL THAT. UM, SO I JUST, DOES THIS SEEM UNUSUAL TO YOU? WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THIS ALONG, SO WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GOOD PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT'S ONE OF THE LAST BIG ONES. UM, WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY IDENTIFY WHERE WE WANT OUR MULTIFAMILY, AND THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY PLAN DID. UM, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, IF THE DEVELOPER COMES IN AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, GOODROW, THEY'RE GOING UP THREE STORIES, OR IF THEY'RE GOING, UM, THEY WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEN WHAT'S ALLOWED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST A VARIANCE, AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. SO IF THE DEVELOPER COMES IN AND HE WANTS TO DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF OR WHATEVER, OR NOT PUT IN THE SPECIAL USE PATH, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNSEL AND ASK FOR THAT CHANGE. IS THAT, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHY AREN'T YOU FINDING A DEVELOPER AND LETTING THEM DRIVE THIS PROCESS SO WE CAN SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT TO BUILD AND THIS IS, YOU [01:35:01] KNOW, STAFF HAS THE INPUT CHANCE TO GIVE INPUT ON IT, ET CETERA. IS THAT, I MEAN, I REALIZE YOU'RE KIND OF SWINGING FOR THE FENCES ON THIS ONE, WHICH I RESPECT, BUT THIS JUST KIND OF SEEMS LIKE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE TO ME. UH, YES. COUNSELOR, I, I BELIEVE I CAN ADDRESS A FEW OF THESE TOPICS THAT YOU RAISED, UM, VERY WELL TAKEN. YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THERE ARE A FEW COULD YOU, I'M SORRY, COULD YOU PULL THE MIC A LITTLE CLOSER? YES, I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. I, I THINK THERE ARE A FEW ITEMS AT PLAY HERE. ONE BEING THAT, UH, MY CLIENTS DID INFORM ME, SOME DEVELOPERS HAD SAID THEY WOULD HAVE MORE INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY WHERE THE ZONING ACCOMPLISHED. AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME. UH, BUT THE DEVELOPERS, AT LEAST I AM TOLD, EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY POST REZONING. AND, AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE NATURAL PROGRESSION TO GET THE ZONING SQUARED AWAY AND THEN DEAL WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, AS TO WHETHER AGREEING TO THESE PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE WHAT THEY REALLY WANT. I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS AT LENGTH WITH MY CLIENTS, AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, AND AS YOU NOTED FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A REAL ESTATE ATTORNEY, YOU GO, WHOA, THIS, YOU'RE GIVEN QUITE A LOT TO THE CITY. UM, MAYBE MORE THAN I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU SHOULD DO. BUT MY CLIENTS ARE VERY CONCERNED WITH THE ISSUES IN SEDONA ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEY WANT TO HAVE A LEGACY OF HAVING HELPED SOLVE THAT ISSUE. AND I BELIEVE THAT THEIR VISION FOR THIS PARCEL IS LARGELY IN ACCORD WITH THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. SO IF THEY'RE ABLE TO HELP, HELP ENSURE THAT THIS PARCEL ENDS UP BEING USED IN ACCORD WITH THAT, THEY TOLD ME IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS, I UNDERSTAND I MAY TAKE A HIT ON MY PROPERTY VALUE, AND CURRENTLY I COULD SELL THIS TO SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO PUT IN A HANDFUL OF SINGLE FAMILY MANSIONS THAT COMMAND A SERIOUS MARKET PREMIUM. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT SEDONA NEEDS RIGHT NOW. IT NEEDS MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING. AND, UH, I FOLLOW THE DIRECTIVES OF MY CLIENT AND I DO VERY MUCH RESPECT THEIR WISHES FOR THIS PROPERTY. I'VE SEEN THE CITY STRUGGLE WITH THIS ISSUE FOR A LONG TIME. I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, IN MY OPINION, VERY COMMENDABLE THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO PUT THEIR VALUES BEFORE THE POCKETBOOK AND THAT THEY SEEK TO GET THIS THROUGH, EVEN WITH THESE FAIRLY BURDENSOME CONDITIONS, BECAUSE THEY WILL SERVE THE CITY, THEY WILL SERVE THE RESIDENTS, AND THEY WILL SERVE FUTURE RESIDENTS, FAMILIES WHO DREAM OF LIVING IN THIS CITY, BUT AS OF YET, HAVE NO REALISTIC PATH TOWARDS THAT. HAS YOUR CLIENT RECEIVED A FAIR MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS OF THE PROPERTY AS IS VERSUS AS REZONED? I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY HAVE PERFORMED A FAIR MARKET ANALYSIS. I WILL SAY THEY WERE APPROACHED BY A SUBSEQUENT DEVELOPER FOLLOWING PLANNING AND ZONING WHO OFFERED MUCH LESS THAN THEY HAD BEEN BEING OFFERED BEFORE. AND THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY MAY, THAT MAY BE AN OUTCOME OF ENCUMBERING THIS PROPERTY WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS PROPOSED. UH, BUT THAT WAS NOT THEIR PRIMARY CONCERN, UM, THAT THEY DO WANT TO SEE THE REZONING GO THROUGH THAT. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM. OKAY, THANK YOU. KATHY, IN THE ANSWER THAT YOU JUST GAVE COUNCILLOR F ARE YOU ASSERTING THAT A ZONING CHANGE WOULD NOT INCREASE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY? IS THAT YOUR ASSERTION? MY ASSERTION IS NOT THAT IT WOULD NOT INCREASE THE VALUE. WHAT I CAN JUST SAY BASED ON, UM, THAT THIS IS OBVIOUSLY NOT A MARKET ANALYSIS, THIS IS JUST A REFLECTION FOLLOWING PLANNING AND ZONING. ONE DEVELOPER CAME IN AND MADE A MUCH LOWER OFFER THAN THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT IS THE END ALL, BE ALL OF THE STATUS OF THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, JUST A BIT OF ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE. UM, BUT NO, THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS REZONE, THEY'RE NOT SEEKING TO MAXIMIZE THE MARKETABILITY AND THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. IF THAT WERE THE CASE, I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY WOULD BE AGREEING TO 30% OF THE PROPERTY BEING RESTRICTED TO, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY LOW A MI LIMITS. AND ALSO TO HAVE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL RESTRICTION FOR 30 YEARS. UM, THEIR, THEIR GOALS HERE GO BEYOND SIMPLY MAXIMIZING THE MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING WITH DEVELOPERS. IS THERE A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME THAT YOU WOULD ASSUME THAT THERE WOULD BE A DEVELOPER COMING FORWARD, OR IS THIS JUST SOMETHING COMPLETELY OPEN-ENDED? AND I'M, I ASK THAT AS BACKGROUND FOR SOMETHING THAT MAY WANT TO BRING UP DURING DISCUSSION, BUT WE'LL SEE. BUT YOUR ANSWER TO THAT WOULD BE, I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY SPECIFIC DEVELOPER WHO HAS A TIMELINE IN MIND. UM, THIS APPLICATION IS TO GET THE REZONE DONE AND THEN TO ENGAGE WITH THE DEVELOPERS. IS THERE, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS THERE ARE, ARE YOUR, UM, OWNERS INTENDING TO STAY ON THE PROPERTY? UH, AND IT IS REZONED YES. COUNSELOR. AND THAT IS WHY THE CUP WAS NECESSARY AND WHY THAT WILL BE REVISITED, SHOULD COUNCIL VOTE TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION WILL BE TO FIRM UP THE CUP TO ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE LIVING THERE UNTIL A DEVELOPER COMES IN, TAKES CONTROL OF THE PROPERTY AND, AND BEGINS DEVELOPMENT. SO THE CUPI BELIEVE, UM, WELL, WE'D HAVE TO WORK OUT [01:40:01] THE DETAILS WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. THAT COULD BE IN TWO YEARS OR 20 YEARS. HOPEFULLY NOT 20, BUT IT COULD BE RIGHT. OKAY. JUST, OKAY. JUST LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU, DEREK. KURT, WHAT IF, IF, LET'S SAY DEVELOPER COMES ALONG AND SAYS, HEY, I'D LIKE TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, 20 STARTER HOMES, 30 STARTER HOMES, AND THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THIS, THEN WHAT, WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO UNDO THIS? WOULD THEY HAVE TO RE REZONE? WOULD THEY HAVE TO? NO, A, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD ALLOW 'EM TO DO THAT. OKAY. EVEN IF THIS REZONE GOES THROUGH YES. WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THEY COULD STILL DO SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. OKAY. I MEAN, THERE'S ALSO STARTER HOMES THAT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, A ROW OF TOWNHOUSES THAT MIGHT COMPLY AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PETE? I'M GONNA TRY ONE AND IT, IT'S CALLS FOR LITTLE SPECULATION TO OUR STAFF, BUT I WANNA SEE WHERE YOU MIGHT GO AND, AND MAYBE WE ADDRESS THIS LATER ON IF ANYTHING ELSE CHANGES. BUT ON YOUR SLIDE 17 IS YOUR LDC FINDINGS FOR REZONING. SO DON'T HAVE SIDE NUMBERS ON THEM. YEAH, THIS ONE. THERE IT IS. OKAY. SO THIS WAS BASED ON WHAT WAS SUBMITTED? YES. NOT REALLY ANY OF THESE CHANGES THAT CAME DURING PNZ OR CERTAINLY NOT AFTER PNZ, IS THAT RIGHT? SO THIS WAS THE EVALUATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? YES. UM, AS, AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE'RE REFERRING TO THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION. UM, AND THE, UM, A LOT OF THE COMMITMENTS THAT THEY'RE DISCUSSING ARE THINGS THAT CAME AFTER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. SO I, I THINK I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO TRY TO GO THROUGH THESE AND TELL ME, BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE HEARD SO FAR, OR MAYBE YOU'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM AND YOU'VE SEEN SOME WRITTEN THINGS, WHERE WOULD YOU STAND TODAY? HAVE THAT BEEN PART OF THE APPLICATION? ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT NOW IS MM-HMM . SATISFIED FROM A STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE AND WHAT'S STILL OUTSTANDING FROM A STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE? CAN YOU TRY TO DO THAT? UM, SO PART OF OUR REVIEW IS THAT WE GO THROUGH AND WE LOOK THROUGH WHAT THEY'RE COMMITTING TO, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, THINK THROUGH IT, REVIEW THE COMMUNITY PLAN IN DEPTH, LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, POLICIES, GOALS, ALL OF THAT. LOOK AT IT AS A WHOLE, TRY TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. WE DO A COMPLETE REVIEW OF IT. IT TAKES, TAKES A WHILE. UM, WHY THAT IS NOT, THAT, WHY THAT WAS NOT DONE FOR THE RESUBMITTED APPLICATION IS WE GOT THE FINAL VERSION IN ABOUT THREE DAYS BEFORE WE HAD TO SUBMIT THE AGENDA BILL. SO WE DID NOT GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M COMFORTABLE MAKING A DETERMINATION RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T DONE THAT. UM, SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THEY AGREED, LIKE I HAD MENTIONED AT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WE HAD PROPOSED A LIST OF POTENTIAL CONDITIONS IN CASE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DECIDED TO GO THE ROUTE OF RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. UM, THEY AGREED TO THOSE, WHICH AGAIN, WOULD GET IT. THE, THE POINT OF THOSE CONDITIONS WAS THAT THE PROJECT WOULD BE CLOSER IN LINE WITH SOME OF THE ADOPTED DOCUMENTS AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE DEFICIENCIES WE FOUND. AND PROVIDING THE AFFORDABILITY DOES, YOU KNOW, THAT IS BETTER THAN NO AFFORDABILITY AS FAR AS THE COMMUNITY PLAN GOES, BUT GOING THROUGH EACH ONE BECAUSE OF THE DETAILS OF EACH ONE, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO SAY FOR SURE. CARRIE, I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER. AND I UNDERSTAND I'VE BEEN IN A STAFF POSITION BEFORE TOO, AND SO I GET THAT, UH, I'M GONNA, SO IS SWINGING A MISS OR YOU BATTED IT BACK TO ME? I'M GONNA BAT IT BACK TO TONY TO SEE IF HE WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING DIFFERENT. . WELL, I, YOU KNOW, I I I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE CONDITIONS WERE PUT IN THERE AS A STOPGAP AS CARRIE SAID, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT IF, IF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WERE TO GO FORWARD, HERE ARE SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER. UM, NOW, UM, AND, AND THEY'VE AGREED TO ALL OF THOSE. THEY HAVE. OKAY. THEY HAVE. SO YOU'VE ALL OF THOSE, YOU'VE BEEN, YOU HAD SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT THESE, AND SO WHICH OF THESE TERMS NOW WE'RE SATISFIED? I LIKE THAT. UM, YES. SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I'M GONNA ANSWER, UM, VAGUELY IF I CAN BECAUSE IT'S GONNA, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'VE HAD SOME TIME TO TALK TO IT. HAVE WE HAD A TIME TO DO FULL ANALYSIS? NO. UM, SO, BUT LOOKING AT, AT THE INFORMATION IN TERMS OF CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN, UM, HAS THERE DEFINITELY BEEN STEPS FORWARD BY, BY ADDING THESE CONDITIONS? I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES. UM, IN DOING THAT, [01:45:01] UM, YOU KNOW, MINIMIZING IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT ONE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, THOSE CONDITIONS WERE NOT SET UP TO NECESSARILY, UM, RESPOND TO THAT PIECE. SO, UM, AND HERE I AM STEPPING JUST A LITTLE BIT OUTTA TURN BECAUSE I WASN'T THERE AT THE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. UM, SO, BUT YOU KNOW, I CAN GO DOWN THE LIST FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, AVOIDING THE FLOODPLAIN, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, IS, IS ONE STEP FORWARD. UM, ADVERSE FISCAL IMPACTS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BE REVIEWED. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE CONDITIONS DON'T NECESSARILY SPEAK TO. UM, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOUR FISCAL IMPACTS WERE BEFORE? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WERE SOME SPECIFIC, THOSE ARE PRETTY GENERAL TERMS. SO, SO WHAT WE WERE THINKING THROUGH, AND SO, I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO YOU GUYS SURE. IF YOU THINK, BUT, UM, WHERE WE HAD, UM, FOUND THAT THE PROJECT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO PLANNING AND ZONING ADMISSION MAY NOT MINIMIZE ADVERSE FISCAL IMPACTS. AND THAT WAS WRITTEN INTO THE CONDITIONS WAS THAT, UM, THE CITY WOULD NOT BE PROVIDING ANY DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE CREDITS FOR ANY OF THE, LIKE, SHARED USE PATH OR TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS. AND THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE COST WOULD BE BORNE BY THE DEVELOPER. OKAY. UM, THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS THAT ONCE IT'S ZONED, UM, OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ZONED FOR HOUSING TO GET SHARED USE PATHS THROUGH THAT THE, THERE'S BEEN A COST SHARING AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITY. AND SO THAT WAS, UM, THE, THE PURPOSE OF WRITING, UM, NO, NO CREDITS AND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE COST BY THE DEVELOPER INTO THE POTENTIAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO PROSECUTE THIS CASE AND I WANT YOU TO MM-HMM . TO CONTINUE. I GET WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT MINIMIZING IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS, EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID ABOUT FISCAL IMPACT. SO I THINK IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN OUTSTANDING ISSUE THERE. SO THAT'S WHY I INTERRUPTED YOU RUDELY. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. . YEP. INTERRUPT AWAY. . OKAY. SO THEN YOU WANNA, YOU, YOU WERE MAKING SOME GOOD PROGRESS. I WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. SURE. SO IN REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, UTILITIES IMPROVEMENT STANDARDS, ADEQUATE ROAD SYSTEMS, TRAFFIC IMPACT IS SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS. THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF, OF A TRAFFIC IMPACTS ASSESSMENT. SO, AND OBVIOUSLY THE INCORPORATION OF THE SHARED USE PASS CERTAINLY HELPS THERE TOO, UM, FROM A CONNECTIVITY PERSPECTIVE. SO, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU'RE DOWN TO ADEQUATE PUBLIC SERVICES AND FACILITIES. UM, AND WHAT DID I MISS, CARRIE? UM, SO ULTIMATELY PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE WOULD BE THE CONSISTENCY OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND OTHER ADOPTED PLANS. AND SO, UM, CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC THERE? THAT'S A VERY, WELL, THAT'S WHERE THIS BIG, WHAT PARTS? YEAH. SO, AND AGAIN, THE, AGAIN, THE, THE APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THESE COMMITMENTS WITH HOUSING, OBVIOUSLY AS THEY'RE PROPOSING A MULTIFAMILY HOUSING ZONE. UM, IT ONLY INCLUDED, UM, COMMITMENTS TO NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. IT DID NOT COMMIT TO ANYTHING BEYOND THAT AS FAR AS HOUSING TYPE OR AFFORDABILITY OR ANYTHING. AND SO, UM, THEY'VE ADDED SOME AFFORDABILITY COMMITMENTS INTO THE PROPOSAL. AND SO IF COUNCIL DETERMINES THAT YOU THINK THAT THAT MEETS, UM, OUR HOUSING GOALS, THEN THAT, THAT COULD BE MET. BUT THAT IS, UM, YEAH, ULTIMATELY COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE COUNCIL CAN CERTAINLY HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OPINION OF ANY ONE OF THESE FINDINGS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I VALUE CERTAINLY STAFF'S OPINION TO US AND ADVICE TO US. SO I THINK I'M GOOD FOR NOW. I, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL MOVEMENT ON MOST OF THESE ITEMS. IF YOU WERE GIVEN MORE TIME, I'LL STOP THERE OF CHARLOTTE, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT SORT OF BUILD ON SOME OF THE, UM, POINTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE PARTICULARLY BY COUNCILLOR FAB, BUT ONE OF 'EM IS, UM, GIVEN THAT IT SEEMS TO SET OUT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE DONE WITHIN SIX MONTHS, HOW SOME OF THESE MIGHT, HOW LIKELY SOME OF THESE ARE TO BE NEGOTIATED WITHIN THAT TIME. ONE OF 'EM IN PARTICULAR I'M WONDERING ABOUT IS THE MEDU, UM, IMPROVING MEDU, WHICH FIRST YOU HAVE TO GET THE, UM, TRAFFIC STUDY DONE TO SEE WHAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED, AND THEN THAT IS A PRIVATE ROAD. AND WE'VE HEARD FROM AT LEAST ONE OF THE OWNERS ON THAT ROAD OF MR. FULLER THAT HE WOULD NOT ENTERTAIN, UM, AGREE TO ANY IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT ROAD. SO I'M WONDERING WHAT THE OWNER'S PLAN IS WITHIN SIX MONTHS TO [01:50:01] GAIN THE APPROVAL OR, OR TO ADDRESS THE OTHER OWNERS ALONG WITH DOLE AND THEIR ISSUES WITH DESTRUCTION THERE. THAT'S ONE THING. CAN, CAN I ADDRESS THAT ONE? YEAH, CHARLOTTE CAN, SORRY, CARRIE WANTS TO ADDRESS THAT ONE PARTICULAR ITEM. OKAY. UM, I WOULD JUST CLARIFY THAT THE, THE WAY THAT THE CONDITIONS ARE WRITTEN IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WOULD ONLY COMMIT THE FUTURE DEVELOPER TO DOING THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND TO COMPLETING ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS RECOMMENDED BY THE TRAFFIC STUDY. IT WOULD NOT, UM, COMMIT THEM TO ACTUALLY COMPLETING THE TRAFFIC STUDY BEFORE THE SIX MONTHS. SO THE, WAS THE WAY I WAS ENVISIONED, NOT THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD BE DONE, BUT THAT THERE WOULD BE A VERY CLEAR EXPECTATION THAT IT WOULD BE DONE BY THE DEVELOPER AND THE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE DONE BY THE DEVELOPER WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR DEVELOPMENT. WELL, THAT'S EVEN MORE PUTTING CARTS BEFORE HORSES, BUT, OKAY. UM, WE STILL HAVE THE ISSUE OF THE OTHER OWNERS THERE AND THEIR ATTITUDES TOWARDS, UM, INTERRUPTING THEIR, THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND I DO FEEL LIKE ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE LDC REQUIREMENTS, WHICH WAS TO, UM, BLEND IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I, I DON'T THINK THAT MUL THAT HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY HOUSING IS NECESSARILY BLENDING IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ONE QUESTION THAT HAD COME UP AT P AND Z, WHICH I DIDN'T THINK WAS REALLY ADDRESSED, WAS WHETHER THE OWNER HAD CONSIDERED, UM, MEDIUM DENSITY HOUSING AS OPPOSED TO HIGH DENSITY. AND IF, IF HE COULD SPEAK TO THAT AGAIN, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT WOULD BE MORE OF A, UH, BRIDGE BETWEEN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEED FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. UH, YES, COUNSELOR, THE DECISION TO SEEK THE RM THREE DESIGNATION IS PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE CITY PROPOSED IN ITS COMMUNITY PLAN THAT THIS PARCEL BE DESIGNATED RM THREE. SO IN THE INTEREST OF FURTHERING THE VISION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, THE APPLICANTS CHOSE TO PROPOSE THE DESIGNATION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT IS RM THREE WITH REGARD TO HOW IT WOULD BLEND INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, THE LDC AND THE DREAM MANUAL CERTAINLY HAVE VERY STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS ON HOW ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT MUST USE. ITS MASSING, ITS ELEVATIONS TO HAVE A TRANSITION ZONE TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. I BELIEVE THE REASON HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY HOUSING WOULDN'T BLEND IN ANYWHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, IS BECAUSE SEDONA HAS NO HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. SO, UH, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE ANY SUCH DEVELOPMENT BLEND SEAMLESSLY WITH THE COMMUNITY. BUT THAT IS A CHALLENGE THAT SEDONA MUST FACE, THAT IT HAS A SEVERE NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF HOUSING THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROACHED AS OF YET, BUT IT'S CURRENTLY A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT'S JUST A VERY LARGE STRETCH. WE DON'T MOVE FROM SINGLE FAMILY EASILY. UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE, IF YOU'RE, IF THIS MAY BE MORE OF A COMMENT, BUT HOW DID YOU ARRIVE AT A 30%, UM, PORTION OF THE 196 POTENTIAL UNITS, UM, TO BE ON THE AFFORDABILITY INDEX? I MEAN, 5% AT THE LEAST, THE LESS THAN 60% A MI IS ONLY SLIGHTLY UNDER 10 UNITS. I THINK THE, I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DISINGENUOUSNESS HERE OF, OF, UM, PORTRAYING THIS AS WORKER HOUSING AND LOW INCOME HOUSING WHEN THE EXTRA NUMBERS ARE REALLY PRETTY SMALL. AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT A DEVELOPER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BREAKEVENS ARE, UM, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING THE TALK, BUT IS 30% REALLY THE BEST YOU CAN DO? DO YOU, UM, THE, THE 30 PER THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT CAME OUT FROM DISCUSSING WITH, UH, SOME OF THE DIFFERENT HOUSING GROUPS, INCLUDING LINDA MARTINEZ, WHO SUGGESTED THAT BREAKDOWN. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, THE 60% THAT WOULD BE MARKET RATE, THAT WOULD BE HELPING THE MIDDLE, THE MISSING MIDDLE, THAT WORK HERE HAVE GOOD PAYING JOBS AND FAMILIES, BUT THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. SO THAT MARKET RATE DOES ADDRESS SOME OF THE MISSING MIDDLE THAT HELPS. [01:55:02] AND THAT COMES OUT 70%. 70%, THANK YOU. UM, AND THAT COMES OUT TO BE ABOUT 12 UNITS PER ACRE. AND SO ANYTHING OVER THAT HAS TO BE, UM, IN SOME SIDE OF, UH, FOUR, YOU KNOW, REDUCTION OR ASSISTED REDUCTION IN PRICE TO MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE. SO, AND I SEE THAT YOU'RE NOT, I MEAN, AND YOU STATED THAT YOU'RE NOT, UM, ADDRESSING ALL OF THE DREAM CHARACTER, UM, REQUIREMENTS YOU'RE LEAVING, BUT YOU'RE ALSO NOT RESTRICTING THEM SO THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THREE STORY BUILDINGS, WHICH, UM, A DEVELOPER MAY PROPOSE. YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT AGREEING AT THIS POINT TO, UM, LIMIT IT FROM THREE STORY. THREE STORY WOULD BE ANOTHER STRETCH, BUT MM-HMM . I GUESS I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND. YOU'RE BINDING THE DEVELOPER, UM, A FUTURE DEVELOPER, BUT NOT NECESS, JUST AS, UM, COUNCILMAN FOSTER IN A WAY THAT ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS? UM, AND THEN NOT BINDING 'EM IN WAYS THAT WE MAY FIND ENTIRELY OBJECTIONABLE. AND THIS, AS YOU KNOW, DOES NOT COME BACK BEFORE COUNCIL, NOR DOES IT COME BACK BEFORE PMZA AS A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. IT WILL BE STRICTLY AT THE STAFF LEVEL. IF STAFF DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE SOME OF THESE, UM, THESE CHANGES OR THESE GRAY AREAS BECAUSE THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN A BLACK AND WHITE MANNER AS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. I, I, I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND. THIS IS PROBABLY MORE FOR THE COMMENT SECTION LATER, BUT WHY YOU ARE BINDING A DEVELOPER AT THIS POINT, UH, COUNSELOR, THAT IS BECAUSE THAT THOSE WERE THE REQUESTS THAT WERE MADE FROM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOLLOWING PLANNING AND ZONING TO BRING THIS IN ACCORD WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN. THEY STATED THAT THESE AFFORDABILITY COMMITMENTS WOULD AT LEAST HELP TO GET THIS OVER THE HUMP TO GET IT APPROVED. MY CLIENTS AGREE WITH THE VISION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND WITH, UH, WHAT THOSE COMMITMENTS WOULD BRING TO FRUITION AS TO WHY THEY HAVE NOT MADE FURTHER RESTRICTIONS. WELL, AS IT STANDS, UH, IT'S BASICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD THREE STORY HOUSING IN SEDONA. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE HAS A LIMIT OF 22 FEET, I BELIEVE, EXERCISING THE DIGA, YOU CAN GET UP TO 28, MAYBE 30. THOSE WOULD ALL BE SUBJECT TO STAFF REVIEW. UM, AND IF THEY SEEK A VARIANCE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL, SO THEY'RE NOT MAKING RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR IN EXISTING LAW, EXISTING LAW ALREADY INCORPORATES THOSE RESTRICTIONS. UM, AGAIN, IF ANY FUTURE DEVELOPER CAME IN AND SAID THEY WANTED TO BUILD THREE STORIES, THAT WOULD LIKELY BE BY WAY OF A VARIANCE SUCH AS OCCURRED ON GOODROW AND WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. SO THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD STILL HOLD THE KEYS ON DECISION MAKING OF THAT NATURE. I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT GOODROW HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. YEAH, NO, JUST DESCRIBING YOU'RE ACTING LIKE IT'S A DONE DEAL, SO IT ISN'T, OH, I WAS JUST DESCRIBING IN TERMS OF SEEKING A VARIANCE FROM COUNSEL, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE SAME PROCEDURE THAT WOULD REQUIRED, OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. AND IT'S ABOUT THE MIX OF AFFORDABILITY AND THERE'S, SO I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE PROPER MIX BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DECIDING RIGHT NOW WHERE WE WANNA TARGET. SO IT'S ANOTHER KIND OF PREMATURE, UH, BINDING AGREEMENT FOR THE DEVELOPER ON SOMETHING. WE MAY NOT EVEN WANT THIS TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, WE MAY WANT MORE 81 50 UNLESS, UH, 60 TO 80 AS WE'RE A FEW MONTHS AWAY FROM ACTUALLY APPROVING WHAT THE TARGETED, UH, MIX OF HOUSING WOULD BE. SO THIS KIND OF DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING AT THIS POINT TO US, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE TYING THIS DEVELOPER'S HANDS A LOT AND DEVELOPERS, AND YOU WOULD BE TYING OUR HANDS BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE IN THE SAME WAY AS IF A ZONING CHANGE WERE IN FRONT OF US, WHICH GIVES US LEVERAGE. UH, BUT A DEVELOPER COULD [02:00:01] MEET THIS REQUIREMENT THERE, THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT'S THAT. SO 15% OF THE UNITS ALLOCATED TO WORKFORCE HOUSING, WOULD THAT BE 300 SQUARE FEET OR WOULD THAT BE 1200 SQUARE FEET? I MEAN, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT FAMILIES WOULD ACTUALLY BENEFIT FROM THIS? BECAUSE DEVELOPERS COULD MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS BY PLAYING GAMES AND WE WOULD BE UNABLE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM BECAUSE STRICTLY SPEAKING, THEY WOULD BE 15%, 80 TO ONE 50, BUT THEY MAY NOT BE ACHIEVING OUR GOAL OF BRINGING FAMILIES INTO THIS COMMUNITY AND HOUSING OUR WORKFORCE BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT NOW UNDEFINED. SO WHY ARE YOU PUTTING THIS IN HERE? I MEAN, WHY, WHY ARE YOU BEING SO SPECIFIC IN AN AREA WE DON'T WANT NECESSARILY SPECIFICITY ON, BUT YET NOT BEING SPECIFIC ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE UNITS OR WHO WOULD BE TARGETED TO LIVE IN THEM? MADAM MAYOR, UM, ON THE SIZES, UM, THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF TIES THE DEVELOPER THAT HE CAN'T BUILD A 2000 SQUARE FOOT APARTMENT IN THERE AND MAKE IT AFFORDABLE. SO HE'S GONNA HAVE TO DO SMALLER UNITS. UM, SOME OF THOSE WILL HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE, OUR TARGET IS WORKERS AND FAMILIES HERE. UM, AND SO THAT IS IN THERE AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE CODE. UM, BUT WE, BUT IN THE PERCENTAGES THAT'S FROM US SPEAKING WITH THE DIFFERENT HOUSING GROUPS AND GETTING SOME ADVICE FROM OTHER, UM, HOUSING EXPERTS. UM, AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT PERCENTAGE. WHAT THAT IS, I MEAN, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO MAKE THAT MORE GENERAL, BUT I THINK THAT'S MORE TYING THAN, UM, OR IT HELPS WITH THAT, UM, AND ENSURING THAT THAT DEVELOPER, UM, MEETS THAT GOAL OF THE CITY'S, BUT IT ISN'T NECESSARILY THE CITY'S GOAL. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'VE DISTRIBUTED THE UNITS IN YOUR, IN A WAY THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING THAT TO US AS A PROPOSAL, BUT IT MAY NOT MEET OUR GOAL BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED WHAT OUR GOAL IS YET. , YOU SEE WHERE YOU'RE MONTHS AWAY, IT'S, IT'S NOT YEAH. YEARS AWAY, IT'S JUST MONTHS AWAY. BUT WE WILL HAVE THAT, AND THEN WE WOULD EXPECT THE DEVELOPER IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO AGREE TO THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TARGETED AND THAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THEM YET. AND SO THIS IS IN A WAY MEANINGLESS TIES THE DEVELOPER'S HANDS. BUT I'M, I'M, I'M GOING INTO COMMENTS. I'LL SAVE THAT FOR LATER. CAN I MM-HMM . THIS ISN'T REALLY A QUESTION, BUT JUST FOR THE CLARITY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING, UM, THEIR A MI RANGE OF 80 TO 150% IS AN ANNUAL DUAL INCOME OF 64,000 TO 120,000. AND AT 30% RENTAL, THAT'S 1600 TO 3000 A MONTH. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE 15%, THE 10% AT 60 TO 80% A MI IS 48,000 TO 64,000 DUAL ANNUAL INCOME, WHICH MEANS THAT AT 30%, THAT'S 1200 TO $1,600 PER MONTH IN RENT. AND THAT FOR THE 5%, WHICH IS LESS THAN 60%, MEANING LESS THAN 48,000 MEANS IT HAS TO BE LESS THAN 1200, BUT THAT COULD BE 1199. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE WERE CLEAR THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE PERCENTAGES AND THESE, THESE AMIS THAT THEY HAVE SOME NUMBERS TO THINK ABOUT. UM, AND AT $3,000 PER MONTH, IF THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE UTILITIES, WHICH IS USUALLY AROUND TWO TO $300 HERE IN, IN SEDONA, THEN THAT MEANS THAT THEY'D BE PAYING 32 TO $3,300 A MONTH, WHICH HONESTLY IS CLOSE TO MARKET RATE NOW IN SEDONA FOR A TWO BEDROOM. SO I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE SOME CONCEPT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS. ARE THERE MORE QUESTIONS OR WE WANNA GO TO THE PUBLIC MAYOR AND COUNCIL? I JUST HAVE ONE CORRECTION MM-HMM . IF THAT'S OKAY. MADAM MAYOR. UH, THERE WAS A, UM, STATEMENT MADE THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SAID, UM, BY THE APPLICANT THAT IT SAID IT HAD TO BE RM THREE OR THE SUGGESTIONS RM THREE, BUT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP JUST DESIGNATES A, UH, MULTIFAMILY HIGH DENSITY, WHICH IS 12 UNITS AN ACRE OR MORE. SO THAT COULD HAVE BEEN RM TWO OR RM THREE. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK, I'M SORRY, PUBLIC. WE'RE GONNA TAKE A SHORT BREAK AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO TO YOU. WE'VE BEEN AT THIS SINCE THREE O'CLOCK THIS AFTERNOON, SO WE NEED A SHORT BREAK, 10 MINUTE BREAK. THANK YOU. [02:05:01] IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. NO WORRIES IF I MISCHARACTERIZE. ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY KIND OF PLAY A GAME OF TELEPHONE SOMETIMES BETWEEN WHAT COMES FROM STAFF COMPLIANCE. I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND WHEN I READ YOUR NAME, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. FIRST PERSON I HAVE IS SANFORD JACOBS, AND HE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY KEVIN ZO. AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND THERE'S THE CLOCK, SO YOU CAN WATCH . THANK YOU MADAM. MADAM MAYOR, PRESSURE. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO BE READING A LETTER WHICH WAS WRITTEN BY LINDA MARTINEZ. CAN YOU TELL US YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE? I'M SORRY. MY NAME IS SANFORD JACOBS. I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS IN THE CHAPEL AREA. THANK YOU. AND I'M GONNA BE READING A LETTER FROM LINDA MARTINEZ, WHO I THINK MOST OF THE COUNSELORS ARE FAMILIAR WITH. SHE WANTED TO BE HERE IN PERSON, BUT SHE HAD WAS CALLED AWAY YESTERDAY, SO THIS WAS WRITTEN YESTERDAY. THIS IS, THESE ARE LINDA'S WORDS. I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE ZONING CHANGE FOR THE TRANQUIL RIGBY MEDU PROPERTY. THIS LOCATION IS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, AND THIS DECISION IS SIGNIFICANT IN THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO SUPPORT HOUSING. THE CONCESSIONS THAT THE OWNERS ARE WILLING TO MAKE ARE GENEROUS AND THEY WILL FOLLOW THE PROPERTY, MEANING SHE MEANS THE CONCESSIONS WILL FOLLOW THE PROPERTY WHEN SOLD. MORE IMPORTANTLY, THEY ARE UN THEY ARE WILLING TO DEFER CONVERSIONS TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR 30 YEARS, WHICH IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE NEED IN SEDONA TO ENSURE A SELECTION OF UNITS PROVIDED FOR DIFFERENT INCOMES AND INSTALL A PUBLIC PATHWAY THROUGH THE PROPERTY. WHILE THE COMMUNITY PLAN SELECTED THIS AREA FOR HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY UNITS, WILL A FUTURE DEVELOPER BUILD ALL 180 UNITS? I DOUBT IT. THAT NUMBER WILL BE DETERMINED BY MANY FACTORS SUCH AS DESIGN, SIZE OF UNITS, TRAFFIC, STUDY BUFFER FROM THE NEIGHBORS, HISTORICAL SITE AMENITIES, ET CETERA. WE CANNOT BEGIN TO SORT THROUGH OTHER ISSUES UNTIL THE ZONING CHANGE IS APPROVED. NEIGHBORS ARE RIGHTLY WORRIED ABOUT CRIME, NOISE, PROPERTY VALUES, BUT RESEARCH SHOWS THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE SAFELY HOUSED AND NOT OVERLY COST BURDENED AND THE UNITS ARE WELL DEVELOPED AND MANAGED, CRIME DECREASES IN PROPERTY VALUES DO NOT DECREASE. YOU CAN READ ABOUT IT ON HOME SITE.ORG. THE IMPACT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON CRIME RATES. THE SEDONA OF TODAY, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY CANNOT STOP SHORT TERM RENTALS, IS NOT THE SAME SEDONA AS WHEN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS WERE DEVELOPED. CURRENT ZONING ON THIS PROPERTY ALLOWS FOR 40 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, TWO STORIES HIGH, AND UP TO 8,000 SQUARE FEET EACH. THESE HOMES CANNOT BE PREVENTED FROM BECOMING SHORT-TERM RENTALS. CONSIDER HOW THIS WOULD AFFECT TRAFFIC SINCE VISITORS DRIVE MORE. ALSO, VISITORS ARE NOT NEIGHBORS. I HOPE WE CHOOSE TO JUMP INTO THE SLIGHT MESSINESS OF BUILDING DECENT HOUSING FOR OUR WORKERS, FAMILIES, AND SENIORS WHO ARE INVESTED IN WORK, IN AND VOLUNTEER IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE'LL HAVE MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO COMMENT ON EACH STEP OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IF THE ZONING CHANGE IS APPROVED TONIGHT. THANK YOU. LINDA MARTINEZ. UH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD ABOUT SIX SECONDS YOUR TIME'S UP. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. I'M DOWN. OKAY, . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, KEVIN. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS KEVIN ZOLLINGER AND I AM A RESIDENT OF THE CRIMSON VIEW COMMUNITY. NEXT TO THE PROPERTY BEING DISCUSSED TODAY, I ALSO AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE CRIMSON VIEW HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION. I, AS WELL AS MUCH OF OUR COMMUNITY ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS REZONING EFFORT IN THE IDENTIFIED PROPERTY. THE POTENTIAL RISK OF THIS EFFORT WITH SO MANY UNKNOWNS, ALONG WITH ITS IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY'S FAMILY'S LIVES AND THEIR INVESTMENTS IS QUITE CONCERNING. THESE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING MEETING IN JULY, AND AGAIN IN THE ZONING COMMISSION MEETING IN, IN SEPTEMBER, WHERE THE REZONING APPLICATION WAS DENIED DUE TO MANY OF THE SAME CONCERNS AMONG THE CONCERNS RAISED, WHERE THE HIGH DENSITY RM THREE DESIGNATION COULD SUPPORT UP TO 190 UNITS PUT ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS EMBEDDED AMONGST SINGLE FAMILY ZONED HOMES AND COMMUNITIES. THE HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT WOULD SIT IN AN ELEVATED LOCATION FROM 89 A, AND CERTAINLY IMPACT THOSE COMMUNITIES. THE PROPERTY IS ACCESSED BY ONE OF THREE POSSIBLE NON THROUGH, NON THROUGH STREETS. TRANQUIL, RIGBY AND MEDU TRANQUIL [02:10:01] CONNECTS TO A FAIRLY NARROW AND ALREADY HEAVILY TRAVELED IN DANTE DRIVE. RIGBY AND MELE EXIT ONTO 89 A AND INTO AN ALREADY HIGH DENSITY ROAD, ESPECIALLY BETWEEN RODEO AND IN DANTE DRIVE. THE DEVELOPMENT COULD WELL IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT, HABITAT, WILDLIFE, STORM WATER, ET CETERA, AS WELL AS ITS SAFETY, THE QUALITY OF LIFE. WHILE THESE ARE NOT KNOWN, ANY MITIGATION EFFORTS ARE LIMITED AND COULD NOT BE GUARANTEED, WHILE THE OWNERS ARE OF THE PROPERTY ARE PROMOTING THE PREMISE OF THE PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S NOT LOST OR READILY DENIED THAT THE PROPERTY VALUE WOULD LIKELY INCREASE THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. HOWEVER, THIS CONVERSELY, IT WOULD LIKELY RETARD THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBOR'S POTENTIAL VALUATION. PERHAPS MOST SIGNIFICANTLY IS THAT TO DATE, NO SPECIFIC DEVELOPER HAS COME FORWARD WITH A COMMITMENT OR EVEN PLANS ON WHAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED. THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETELY UNKNOWN AND WOULD FALL INTO A NUMBER OF ALLOWED HIGH DENSITY PROJECTS. THE 30 YEAR SHORT TERM, UM, MORATORIUM IS TIED TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO WE WOULD HOPE THAT WOULD BE THERE. BUT REGARDING THE ABOVE, THERE'S EXTREME CONCERN IN THE RECENT PASSAGE OF STATE HOUSE BILL 2 4 4 7, WHICH IS A STATE'S EFFORT TO STREAMLINE HOUSING PROJECTS IN ARIZONA. IT REQUIRES MUNICIPALITIES TO APPROVE SUCH PROJECTS WITH NO PUBLIC HEARING AND TO BYPASS ZONING, COMMISSIONS, BOARDS, AND COMMUNITIES. PREVENTING THE REZONING ON THE UNKNOWN FUTURE PROJECTS IS A PUBLIC'S COM AND COMMUNITY'S ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD AND PROTECT THE UNWANTED DETRIMENTAL PROJECTS TO OUR COMMUNITY. IN SUMMARY, WHILE THE DISCUSSION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING SOLUTIONS IS APPLAUDABLE, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERY IDEA IS A VIABLE SOLUTION FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE RESIDENTS WITHIN IT. THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. ANTHONY OWENS, FOLLOWED BY DAVID QUINN, BUT, UH, DAVID, ARE YOU HERE? YES. DO YOU WANNA TALK ON THIS TOPIC? YES. OKAY. ANTHONY. HELLO, MY NAME IS ANTHONY OWENS AND I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA. AND, UH, I HAD A LITTLE TALK I WAS GONNA PUT UP, BUT THE ATTORNEYS FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT HAVE REALLY COVERED THINGS PRETTY WELL. UH, THE, THE PROBLEM OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS, IS WIDELY KNOWN HERE, SO I DON'T THINK TRYING TO CONVINCE ANYBODY HERE OF THAT NEED IS, IS GONNA BE A GOOD USE OF MY TIME OR YOUR TIME. WHAT I WILL SAY IS I SIT HERE AND LISTEN TONIGHT. I I'M REMINDED OF GREAT LEADERSHIP IN THIS COUNTRY, AND I'M NOT HERE TO LECTURE YOU ON LEADERSHIP, BUT I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE, THE, THE PEOPLE WHO DARED TO BE PROGRESSIVE IN THE PAST AND HAVE MADE THINGS BETTER BY TAKING RISK. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT PIONEERED SOLUTIONS TO PROBLEMS, COMPLEX PROBLEMS LIKE YOU HAVE HERE IN SEDONA, LIKE WE HAVE HERE IN SEDONA. YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, THIS ZONING CHANGE SEEMS TO ME TO BE JUST A STEP TOWARDS SOMEONE MAKING, UH, A LEADERSHIP CALL TO, UH, SOLVE THIS PROBLEM THAT'S BEEN OUTLINED IN THIS 2024 COMMUNITY PLAN FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT'S VERY CLEAR NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE HAPPY, SO IT'S GONNA REQUIRE SOME LEADERSHIP TO STAND UP AND MOVE THIS THROUGH. UH, I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S NOT MANY PROPERTIES HERE THAT, TO ME, THEY ARE DWINDLING. THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS DWINDLING VERY FAST. SO WITHOUT, UM, THIS ZONING CHANGE IN THIS PROPERTY, UM, MOVING FORWARD, UM, IT SEEMS TO BE VERY CONSISTENT WITH THIS COMMUNITY PLAN THAT'S DEVELOPED BY THE CITY OF SEDONA. IT'S VERY REFRESHING. I I REVIEWED THAT TODAY A LITTLE BIT. IT'S VERY REFRESHING TO SEE THAT COMMUNITY PLAN. IT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING TO KNOW THAT, UH, THAT THESE ROADBLOCKS THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT UP, UM, ARE VERY COMPLEX. BUT HOWEVER GOOD LEADERSHIP CAN SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE, UH, PEOPLE TO, UH, STAND UP AND MAKE SOME REALLY TOUGH DECISIONS THAT NOT EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'VE CHANGED MY TOTAL, UH, TOPIC TONIGHT. I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT AS I SIT HERE AND LISTEN, I HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF PRESERVATION, UH, WORK IN TENNESSEE, AND, AND THAT'S, UH, NOT THE ISSUE HERE. HOWEVER, PEOPLE STOOD UP AND DID SOME THINGS THERE IN MY COMMUNITY THAT, UH, WAS NOT, UH, NOT WELL TAKEN, BUT IT WAS FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF DIVERSITY. SO, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DAVID QUINN, YOU FOLLOWED BY KAREN BUTTERFIELD. HI NAME'S DAVID QUINN. I LIVE ON ME ROAD FOR 24 YEARS NOW, SO I'M RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS WHOLE PROJECT. 10 BUILDINGS, 20 UNITS OF BUILDING. IT SHOULD BE PROBABLY FOUR STORIES, WHICH IS 60 FEET. UH, [02:15:01] TRYING TO GET THE, NOBODY TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY. 400, 500 CARS WILL BE PARKED IN THERE. FOUR OR 500 CARS ARE GONNA TRY TO GET ON 89 A ON THESE LITTLE STREETS. MEDU, IF YOU'RE GOING UP MEDO, WHICH I LIVE ON, TWO CARS CAN'T PASS WITHOUT ONE GETTING TO THE SIDE. SO THAT'S, AND THAT THE OWNERS HAVE SAID THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE ANY OF THAT. SO THE, THE 89 A GRIDLOCK FROM A, FROM, UH, A DANTE AND RIGBY AND, AND ME IS JUST GONNA BE A DISASTER, A NIGHTMARE, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S NO FIX. THERE'S NO OTHER ROAD. IT'S A LANDLOCKED THING. SO THAT'S ONE THING. AND, UH, THE PROPERTY VALUES OF ALL OUR HOUSES AROUND THERE, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON, ON, ON TRANQUIL, THEY'RE STARING AT IT AT, AT 10, 40, 60, UH, FEET, BUILDINGS, UH, AND, AND THE CONFUSION AND THE, AND, AND THE TRAFFIC AND CHANGES OUR WHOLE LIFE. EVERYTHING TO DO WITH US. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU EVER SEE AN APARTMENT IN FIVE OR 10 YEARS WHEN THEY START TO GET A LITTLE DILAPIDATED? AND BESIDES THE FACT YOU'RE GONNA PUT SIX OR 700 PEOPLE TOGETHER AND SIX OR 700 PEOPLE, THAT'S, THAT'S HARD TO GET EVERYBODY TO GET ALONG. I KNOW IT'S SEDONA AND EVERYTHING, BUT, EH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ROUGH. I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THE DENSITY IS JUST GONNA BE COMPLETELY OUTTA CONTROL WITH THE TRAFFIC. SOMEBODY DID A STUDY OF SOMETHING LIKE 1,175 TRIPS A DAY IN AND OUT, AND 89 A, THERE'S ALREADY TRAFFIC THERE WITH NO HOMES. EVEN WHAT IT'S ZONED FOR 30 HOMES IS GONNA BE AN IMPACT WITH TRAFFIC. SO I JUST FEEL LIKE THE, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL KEEP THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND THAT AREA, THAT OUR WAY OF LIFE, AND DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE ALL OF US INSTEAD OF THE FEW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, KAREN. IS SHE HERE? FOLLOWED BY HARRY CHRISTENSEN. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS KAREN BUTTERFIELD. I LIVE HERE IN SEDONA IN CRIMSON VIEW ESTATES, AND I AM REPRESENTING BOTH MYSELF AND MY HUSBAND WHO'S HERE. UM, REGARDING OUR STRONG CONCERNS REGARDING THIS PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE, WE PURCHASED OUR HOME OFF WHITE TAIL LANE FIVE YEARS AGO, OF WHICH OUR PROPERTY BACKS UP AGAINST ME ROAD. WE ARE VERY CONCERNED REGARDING THE TRAFFIC, INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, INCREASE IN HUMAN TRAFFIC, NOISE, LIGHTING, MORE BARKING DOGS. AND WE ARE ALSO CONCERNED REGARDING THE LOSS OF OUR PRIVACY. OUR BACKYARD WILL NOW BECOME THAT OF HIGH DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY UNITS. THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT. AND WE DO NOT LIVE IN A MANUFACTURED HOME. WE LIVE IN A BEAUTIFUL BRICK AND MOTOR HOME. THIS WILL DESTROY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE OVERALL, UM, UH, WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING THE ENVIRONMENT, LOSS OF OPEN SPACE, AND THE IMPACT ON OUR PROPERTY VALUES. AGAIN, WE ARE NOT IN A MANUFACTURED HOME. GOING BACK TO THAT SLIDE EARLIER ON LDC FINDINGS, THAT LIST FOR REZONING THAT'S REQUIRED. THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR DUCKS IN ORDER HERE, AND IT IS TRULY THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU. HARRY CHRISTENSEN, FOLLOWED BY JUDITH JALA. I AM ALSO A HOMEOWNER ON MAD. UM, AS I SIT HERE AND I LISTEN TO PEOPLE SPEAK TONIGHT, THE THING THAT STANDS OUT TO ME WERE A FEW DIFFERENT POINTS. NOT WANTING TO BE REDUNDANT FROM THINGS I'VE ALREADY HEARD, BUT THERE IS NO PLAN. THERE IS NO VISION. UM, THERE'S A CLOUD OF SMOKE AND IT IS A BLANK CHECK, REGARDLESS OF THEY SAY THAT. IT'S NOT A BLANK CHECK. IT IS. YOU'RE, YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON THE COMMUNITY IN OUR BEST INTEREST. AND IT ISN'T, FROM WHAT I'VE, THE PEOPLE I'VE SPOKEN WITH, IT ISN'T THE COMMUNITY INTEREST, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE LIVE, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS THE PEOPLE THERE OR, OR OUR COMMUNITY. SO, I DON'T KNOW, IT SEEMS A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE, DOESN'T SEEM TO FIT IN WITH WHAT WE HAVE THERE ALREADY. WE KNEW WHEN WE BOUGHT THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOMETHING PLACED THERE, AND WE FIGURED IT WAS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE, REASONABLE GROWTH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING THAT WILL COME OUT OF THIS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. JUDITH, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY. FOLLOWED BY RAMA SWAMI VENKAT. VENKAT. [02:20:04] WELL, UH, MY NAME IS JUDIS JACK, AND I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA FOR 26 YEARS. UH, UH, I, I AM REALLY NOT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. I'M ST I'M STILL WITH FOUR UNITS ON ACRE. I, UH, FIGURE THIS OUT. IT WAS 20 UNITS PER, PER PER ACRE. AT 9.8 ACRES, YOU ONLY HAVE A, YOU HAVE 196 UNITS, AND THERE'S TWO PEOPLE PER UNIT. SO YOU GOT 392 PEOPLE LIVING BACK THERE, AND THEY EACH HAVE A CAR. AND SO THAT'S THE 392 CARS GOING IN AND OUT HOW MANY TIMES A DAY? SO THAT TRAFFIC IS ALREADY, UH, ATROCIOUS. UH, 89 A, UH, CAN HARDLY HANDLE THE TRAFFIC THEY'VE GOT NOW WITHOUT ADDING MORE OR 400 PEOPLE OR 400 MORE CARS, YOU KNOW, COMING IN AND OUT. UM, I JUST WISH THAT, UH, YOU WOULD CONSIDER THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ALREADY LIVING THERE BECAUSE WE'VE MADE MAJOR INVESTMENTS AND, UH, WE'D LIKE TO, UH, JUST KEEP 'EM AT WHERE THEY'RE AT. THANK YOU, JUDITH. MY NAME IS, UH, WAN I ALSO RESIDENT OF SERONA FOR 20 YEARS NOW, UH, ON MEALL ROAD. MOST OF MY, UH, NEIGHBORS ARE HERE. I THINK OBVIOUSLY WE ARE GENUINELY CONCERNED ABOUT THESE KINDS OF CHANGES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK IF THE CITY OF SEDONA HAS A MASTER PLAN OR AS A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THEN IT BEHOOVES THE CITY TO LOOK AT IT MUCH MORE CLOSELY AND INTEGRATE IT WITH WHATEVER CONCERNS THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE. BECAUSE I THINK ON THE ONE HAND, IT IS A, A VERY LAW LAUDABLE PRO PROPOSITION TO GET, UH, BETTER HOUSING AND MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BUT VERY OFTEN THAT SEEMS TO BE A, UM, A, A REAL, UM, AIM, A GOAL THAT ALWAYS KEEPS GETTING FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY BECAUSE THE MORE YOU START BUILDING HOUSING, THE COSTS RISE UP TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S NO LONGER AFFORDABLE. AND THAT HAS HAPPENED ALREADY IN IN MANY PLACES. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE REASON FOR, UH, DESIGNATING THIS PARTICULAR AREA AS A POTENTIAL FOR, FOR THIS KIND OF CHANGE WAS BECAUSE THEN THE CITY WAS DOING THE MASTER PLAN OR THE COMMUNITY PLAN. THEY FOUND THAT THIS WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE FEW LARGE PIECES OF PROPERTY OF ABOUT 90 ACRES OR MORE, WHICH WAS NOT YET DEVELOPED AND MAYBE MIGHT AFFORD, UH, A POSSIBLE CHANGE IN THIS DIRECTION. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK WHILE ON THE ONE HAND WE NEED TO HAVE BETTER, MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE PLACE, UH, MAYBE IT'S TIME TO REVISIT THIS MASTER PLAN, REVISIT THIS PLAN, OR AT LEAST MODIFY IT SO THAT IT DOES MEET OTHER CONSTRAINTS SO THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE THE, THE, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ABOUT TRAFFIC, ABOUT, UH, JUST GENERAL VIEW FROM THE WAY NOISE, ET CETERA. AND I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE PROBABLY LOOKED AT MORE CAREFULLY AS PART OF, PART OF THE PROCESS OF APPROVING THIS KIND OF ZONING CHANGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAROL BELL, FOLLOWED BY JESSICA WILLIAMSON, CAROL MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, I AM OPPOSED TO. CAROL, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE? OH, SORRY, CAROL BELL. I LIVE IN SEDONA. THANK YOU. I'M OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. I WAS AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING IN SEPTEMBER WHERE THIS WAS ALL DISCUSSED IN ALL OF THIS GREAT DETAIL, AND AT THE END, THE VOTE WAS SIX TO ONE TO OPPOSE THIS REZONING. UM, I AGREE WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAID THIS IS PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. IT APPEARS TO ME THAT CITY COUNCIL IS BEING ASKED TO GIVE A SORT OF A CARTE BLANCHE, GIVE THESE FOLKS THE, UH, UH, ZONING CHANGE. OF COURSE, IT INCREASES THEIR PROPERTY VALUE. AND THEN WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS? REALLY, THERE'S, THERE'S NO DEVELOPER, THERE'S NO PLAN, THERE'S NO THERE GUARANTEE. SO THE DANGLING CARROT OF, OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING MAY BE VERY ATTRACTIVE, BUT I THINK THERE'S A WHOLE, [02:25:01] UM, A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS IN BETWEEN THAT MAY NOT EXACTLY TURN OUT THAT WAY. UM, AND I ABSOLUTELY FEEL THAT THE, THAT DENSITY ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH IS BETWEEN THOSE SMALL PRIVATE ROADS, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. AND YOU'VE HEARD THE PEOPLE SPEAK ABOUT THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE AND THE CARS AND THE, THE TRAFFIC AND ALL THE REST OF IT, AND EVERYTHING THAT, UM, KEVIN ZOLLINGER BROUGHT FORTH IN HIS, UH, ADDRESS TO YOU. I AGREE WITH ALL OF THOSE POINTS. SO I REST MY CASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JESSICA WILLIAMSON. SEDONA, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, SEEMS THE OWNERS WANNA DO THE RIGHT THING. I THINK THE CITY SHOULD HELP THEM DO THE RIGHT THING. I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT THEIR WANTING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. UM, AND IF THE SITE ISN'T REZONED, THERE'S NOT A CHANCE OF THEM DOING THE RIGHT THING OF HAVING ANYTHING MOVE FORWARD. IT'S THE FIRST STEP TOWARD RE REALIZING THE VISION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN. UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS, YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH ME. NOBODY EVER, EVER, EVER WANTS ANYTHING BUILT ANYWHERE NEAR THEM. THAT'S JUST HUMAN NATURE. IT'S NOT, I MEAN, IT IS NIMBY, BUT IT'S ALSO, EVERYBODY'S A NIMBY ONCE IN A WHILE, NOBODY WANTS IT. AND SO IF, IF, IF THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO ONLY BE THE PREVAILING THING TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN MAKING A DECISION ABOUT HOUSING, THEN HOUSING SHOULDN'T BE A PRIORITY BECAUSE NO ONE WILL EVER, EVER WANT IT. THE LDC, THE BUILDING CODES, THE DESIGN CODES ARE DESIGNED TO BE SUFFICIENT TO, TO DIRECT DEVELOPMENT. YET SOMEHOW THERE HAS TO BE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE SORT OF CONSIDERED. UM, YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSED STATE LAW IS DRACONIAN, BUT I'M KIND OF UNDERSTANDING, UH, WHY IT, IT MIGHT IN FACT BE MOVING FORWARD. SINCE I LOOK AT ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE APPEARED BEFORE THE CITY THAT HAVE DIED AS A RESULT OF, OF OUR PROCESS. IF THIS ONE DOES, IF THE REZONING IS PUT IN PLACE AND THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN, THIS COULD JUST JOIN THAT LONG LIST OF PROJECTS THAT NEVER WENT ANYWHERE BECAUSE OF OUR PARTICULAR PROCESS. UM, I SUPPORT THE REZONING. I AM, I HEAR YOUR CONCERNS, AND I'M NOT UNSYMPATHETIC TO THEM. WE, WE MADE IT RM THREE, WE, THE CITY SAID IT'S APPROPRIATE, BUT SUDDENLY, FOR ALL THESE REASONS, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. IT SHOULDN'T BE BUILT WHERE OTHER PEOPLE ARE. WELL, IF IT CAN'T BE BUILT WHERE OTHER PEOPLE ARE, THEN GIVE UP THE IDEA OF BUILDING IT IN. SEDONA, THAT'S MY COMMENTS ON THIS. SHANE QUALLS, FOLLOWED BY TIM PERRY, SHANE QUALLS, UH, FIVE 20 SKYLINE DRIVE. SEDONA. UM, AS A POTENTIAL DEVELOPER, UH, THE ZONING IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT BEFORE YOU MAKE A PURCHASE. I THINK THAT, UM, THE COMMUNITY PLANNERS, THE GUY THAT WAS HERE FOR 30 YEARS, THIS WAS A GREAT VISION THAT THEY HAD. THIS IS A RARE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OVER NINE ACRES TO DO A DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THERE. UM, I RECENTLY SOLD A BIG PROJECT, UH, $60 MILLION, AND I'M INVESTING MY MONEY. AND I WENT TO SCHOOL HERE IN FOURTH AND FIFTH GRADE. SO I HAVE A, A, A CONNECTION WITH SEDONA, AND I WANNA SEE NICE DEVELOPMENT. I WANNA SEE PEOPLE BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE. AND, AND THEY TALK ABOUT THIS TRAFFIC. WELL, THE TRAFFIC IS, I, I'M THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER AND THE LANDLORD OF THE THAI SPICE AND THE HILLTOP IN GERARDO'S, AND ALL THOSE WORKERS LIVE IN JEROME, LIVE IN CLARKSDALE, LIVE IN COTTONWOOD. THEY DON'T, NO ONE LIVES IN, IN SEDONA. SO THE TRAFFIC IS THEM DRIVING BACK AND FORTH TO WORK HERE. SO THIS PROPERTY WOULD PROVIDE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE RIGHT THERE AND WALK TO THE WORK, WALK TO THESE LOCATIONS. THE GROCERY STORE IS RIGHT THERE. YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE VERY MANY OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE. AND, UH, AS A DEVELOPER, I MEAN, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND AND I SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE YOU, THE COUNCIL, CHANGING AND GRANTING THE ZONING SO THAT THESE PROJECTS CAN MOVE FORWARD. OTHERWISE, PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF, WE'RE GONNA INVEST MONEY [02:30:01] IN OTHER LOCATIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE SIMPLER, THAT AREN'T AS COMPLICATED. AND I'M WILLING TO, TO WORK HARD AND MAKE A GREAT DEVELOPMENT AND DO THINGS BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE SEDONAS FUTURE CONTINUE TO GROW. AND I, I LIKE TO SEE GREAT DEVELOPMENT AND BEAUTIFUL THINGS. SO THERE ARE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE. WHO WANTS TO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH, WITH, WITH SEDONA TO DO THESE DEVELOPMENTS? UM, THE PROJECT THAT I'M DOING, UH, BEHIND THAI SPICE, I WOULD LIKE TO DO, DEVELOP 20 UNITS BEHIND THAT AND DO A NEW RESTAURANT THERE THAT'S MORE BEAUTIFUL, MORE ATTRACTIVE, AND SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF THESE UGLY LITTLE BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE IN, IN SEDONA. SO THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT CARE, AND I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. THEY'VE GIVEN A LOT OF THINGS UP. I MEAN, THE PATH THROUGH AND, AND THE 30 YEAR RESTRICTIONS ON, I MEAN, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA LIKE, BUT, UH, I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. AND I THINK THE ATTORNEY DID A GREAT JOB PRESENTING AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS. SO I'M DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TIM. FOLLOWED BY WADE BELL. GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. THANK YOU, CHARLOTTE. WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS WAS COMING UP FOR REVIEW, I WAS HONESTLY DISAPPOINTED. APARTMENTS ARE THE LAST THING WE NEED IN SEDONA. THEY'RE JUST PART OF HOW THE RULING ELITE KEEPS ALL THE WORKERS DEPENDENT, AND THEY'RE CERTAINLY VERY UNATTRACTED TO FAMILIES. AND I'M ALSO KEENLY AWARE THAT STAFF HAVE HAD THEIR EYES ON TRYING TO DESTROY THE MEDU RIGBY HOUSE FOR SOME TIME BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS EVIDENCE OF THEIR LIES THAT IN ORDINARY INDIVIDUALS CAN'T BUILD THEIR OWN HOUSING WITH THEIR OWN HANDS LIKE HOWARD MEDU DID. BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE I DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS ASKED FOR THE ZONE CHANGE, AND THE CITY IS OBLIGATED AS A MATTER OF ETHICAL PRINCIPLE TO GRANT IT PROPERTY DOES NOT EXIST IN OBJECTIVE REALITY. IT IS A CONSTRUCT THAT WE MAKE UP BECAUSE IT HELPS US TO DEAL WITH THE OBJECTS THAT SURROUNDS US. THIS CONTRACT, THIS CONSTRUCT IS IMPLEMENTED IN EVERYDAY LIFE BASED ON A SOCIAL CONTRACT, WHICH DEPENDS ON THE CONCEPT OF FAIRNESS. EACH OF US AGREES THAT OUR NEIGHBORS SHALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY LIKE WITH THEIR PROPERTY PROVIDED THEY DO NOT INTERFERE WITH US IN THE USE OF OURS. AS SOON AS ONE PERSON OR ONE GROUP VIOLATES THAT THE ENTIRE LOGICAL FOUNDATION ON WHICH THE CONCEPT OF PROPERTY DEPENDS, GOES OUT THE WINDOW. AND I'M PARTICULARLY AWARE OF THIS TONIGHT AS I STAND HERE AND I LISTEN TO THE NEIGHBORS TALK ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY VALUES. WHAT ABOUT THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY VALUES? I SIT HERE AND I LISTEN TO THE NEIGHBORS TALK ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY RIGHTS. WHAT ABOUT THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY RIGHTS? IS THIS TO BE A CASE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OFFICIALLY ENDORSING DISCRIMINATION AGAINST ONE PROPERTY OWNER FOR THE BENEFIT OF A LARGER NUMBER OF PROPERTY OWNERS? THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE ASKED FOR THE ZONE CHANGE. IT'S SIMPLE ENOUGH. GRANT THE ZONE CHANGE. THE OTHER POINT THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED HERE IS WHAT CAN ONLY BE DESCRIBED AS THE ABDOMINALLY YET BAD BEHAVIOR OF KERRY MEYER, MIKE RAYBER, AND EVERY OTHER PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WHO HAS BEEN PUSHING THIS NOTION SINCE I THINK IT WAS 2017, THAT, WELL, THIS WILL BECOME MULTI-USE HOUSING OR MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING. THE CITY DOESN'T OWN THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL DECIDE WHAT IT'LL BECOME. BOB BOLSON WANTS TO BUY IT AND PUT A SPA THERE. HE'LL PUT A SPA THERE. IF KYLE LARSON DECIDES TO BUY IT AND PUT A PRINTING PLANT THERE, HE'LL PUT A PRINTING PLANT THERE. THIS IS NOT THE SOVIET UNION. IT IS NOT THE BUSINESS OF STAFF AND THE CITY TO DECIDE WHAT WILL GO WHERE. GRANT THE ZONE CHANGE WADE BELL, FOLLOWED BY MARK WEBER. GOOD EVENING. I'M WADE BELL. I LIVE, UH, IN CRIMSON VIEW IN THE CITY OF SEDONA. AND, UH, MY HOUSE ACTUALLY BACKS ONTO ME ROAD. AND, UH, SO I'M, UH, I AND MY WIFE ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND I WOULD SAY ADVERSELY SO, UM, ME ROAD IS, IS A QUIET PRIVATE ROAD. UM, IT'S A PRETTY RURAL AREA BACK THERE. AND THE IDEA OF, UM, MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY BACKYARD, UH, IS FRANKLY UNACCEPTABLE [02:35:01] TO ME. AND I THINK THAT TO GRANT A ZONING CHANGE WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE, IS FRANKLY BUYING A PIG AND A POKE. AND I RECOMMEND AGAINST IT. THANK YOU, WADE MARK, FOLLOWED BY GEORGE HALL. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, MR. VICE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS MARK WERAN AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. I OPPOSE CHANGING THE ZONING AT THIS TIME WITHOUT HAVING ACHIEVED THE NECESSARY STUDIES AND REPORTS FOR PUBLIC SCRUTINY ON THE FOLLOWING, WATER, WATER USAGE, AVAILABILITY, AND THE EFFECTS ON FUTURE RECLAMATION UTILITIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE AMOUNT OF EMFS GENERATED BY EACH HOUSEHOLD. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS SET IN PLACE BEFORE AND AFTER ANY CONSTRUCTION, ALONG WITH THE PRESERVATION OF OUR NATURAL CRUST, FLORA, AND WATER SPRINGS. WE ARE A COMMUNITY HERE IN SEDONA. LET US PRESERVE OUR NATURAL BEAUTY AS WE JOURNEY INTO OUR COLLECTIVE FUTURES. AND I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON COUNCIL MEMBER DUNN'S, UH, REMARKS WITH REGARDS TO WHAT THE ACTUAL RENTAL COSTS WILL BE. AND I'M SORRY, BUT TO ME THAT DOESN'T REFLECT LOW INCOME TYPE RENTALS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, GEORGE. EXCUSE ME, FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL GLE. MY NAME'S GEORGE HALL. MY NAME'S GEORGE HALL, AND I BROUGHT UP VISUAL AID BECAUSE I LIVE ON ME ROAD, AND THIS IS A ROAD SIGN THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN POSTED DECADES AGO. IT'S THE REAL TRUTH. AND NOW WE'RE GETTING GRITTI ON ME ROAD, AND THAT'S A REALLY DISAPPOINTING SITUATION. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS REALLY SHOULD BE ON ME ROAD. AND THE THING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THIS PROPOSAL IS THERE'S NOT BEEN ENOUGH ATTENTION PAID TO LL ROAD AND THE PEOPLE THAT OWN PROPERTY THERE. AND WHAT THE EFFECT OF THE, OF A HUGE DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO DEVELOPER, RIGHT? NO DEVELOPER. SO THESE FOLKS ARE ASKING FOR A BLANK CHECK SO THEY CAN GO PEDAL IT. THE PROPERTY VALUE, IF THAT'S REZONED, WILL GO WAY UP AND OURS WILL GO WAY DOWN. THE TRAFFIC IS A HUGE ISSUE. THE SEPTIN PROPOSAL TALKED ABOUT 1300 TRIPS EVERY DAY ON AN ALREADY OVERSTRESSED 89 A. BUT THERE'S NO SOLUTION BEEN PROPOSED. I MEAN, I THINK A TRAFFIC LIGHT WOULD BE INSANE AND IT'S GONNA DESTROY OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S GONNA HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON THE AREA AROUND, ON DANTE AS WELL. AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE POPULATION DENSITY IS A SAD THING. IT REALLY IS. THERE'S NO GETTING AROUND DEVELOPMENT, OKAY? BUT I THINK THIS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL IS INCREDIBLY IRRESPONSIBLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MICHAEL. FOLLOWED BY DEBORAH LYNN. GOOD EVENING, MICHAEL GOBLET, 14 YEAR RESIDENT, FULL-TIME RESIDENT OF MEDO ROAD. CLOSER TO THE MIC, PLEASE. OKAY, BRING IT UP. THE PASSAGE OF ARIZONA HOUSE BILL 24 47 MEANS AT BEGINNING DECEMBER 31ST, 2025, THERE'LL BE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS NOR PLANNING AND ZONING INPUT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AND REVIEW PROCESS. WHEN THERE IS NO ZONING CHANGE REQUESTED, YOUR LOCAL POWERS TO REVIEW AND MODIFY DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS WILL RESIDE CHIEFLY IN ZONING CHANGES REQUESTED TO ACCOMMODATE LARGER DENSER DEVELOPMENTS. IF YOU WERE TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM RMH TO RM THREE AT THIS TIME WITH NO DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL ATTACHED, THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE LITTLE SAY IN WHAT KIND OF PLAN WAS SUBMITTED BY SOME FUTURE DEVELOPER. AS LONG AS THE DEVELOPER STAYED WITHIN THE 20 UNITS PER ACRE. NO MATTER HOW INCONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT MIGHT BE. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MANDATE A MORE APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONAL RM ONE EIGHT DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE ADJACENT [02:40:01] TO OUR RM 10 FOR DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AS RECOMMENDED IN THE SEDONA LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. NOR WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO REVIEW AND CHANGE THE DEVELOPMENT IN ANY WAY TO MITIGATE AND TRANSITION THE VERY ABRUPT CHANGE FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO MULTIFAMILY. THE DEVELOPER WOULD HOLD THE CARDS. PLEASE DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR POWER TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BY PREMATURELY APPROVING THIS ZONING CHANGE. LET A FUTURE DEVELOPER PERSUADE YOU TO REZONE WITH AN ACTUAL DETAILED PLAN IN HAND THAT YOU COULD MODIFY WITH PUBLIC INPUT TO FIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS DOES NOT PREVENT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN LINE WITH THE SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN. IT MERELY MAINTAINS YOUR POWER TO MAKE IT APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DEBORAH LYNN, FOLLOWED BY MARSH DENNY. I, UM, MADAM CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, MY NAME IS DEBORAH LYNN RODRIGUEZ. I AM A RESIDENT OF SEDONA. MY FAMILY HISTORY SPENDS, UH, EIGHT GENERATIONS IN THE SEDONA VERDE VALLEY AREA. I ALSO RIPPED UP WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY AFTER LISTENING AT THIS EVENING. AND, UM, SO I, I'M, I'M NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER, MY HEART IS POUNDING BEAR WITH ME. I, BUT I REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE WORKING TONIGHT TILL THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING, UH, DRIVING BACK AND FORTH TO CAMP VERDE, COTTONWOOD CLARKDALE. I HAVE A VERY LARGE, EXTENSIVE FAMILY IN THE AREA. MANY OF THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS STILL WORKING IN, IN, UH, SEDONA, KEEPING THE LIGHTS ON, KEEPING THE TOURIST HAPPY. SO I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. AND I KEEP HEARING CART BEFORE THE HORSE, AND I'M ALSO HEARING THAT IT WAS THE COUNCIL THAT APPROACHED THESE PROPERTY OWNERS WITH THE IDEA OF A HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY. I WANNA COMMEND THE OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY. ONCE AGAIN. I'VE HEARD IT SAID ONLY A COUPLE OF TIMES SO FAR FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING. AND IF, IF I, YOU KNOW, I'M DOING THE MATH HERE, AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THIS ZONING CHANGE IS NOT GOING TO MAXIMIZE THEIR PROFIT. IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA DO THE OPPOSITE OF THAT. BUT THEY'RE PRINCIPLED PEOPLE OF INTEGRITY. THEY SEE THE PROBLEM. WE ALL SEE THE PROBLEM. NOBODY WANTS TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THEY WANNA KICK IT INTO THE FUTURE. I'M REMINDED OF THE EXPANSION OF 1 79. I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE, UM, 1971. ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE YELLING AND SCREAMING ABOUT THE EXPANSION OF 1 79, WHAT IF THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME HAD LISTENED TO THEIR, THEIR CRY? WHAT KIND OF A MESS WOULD WE HAVE TODAY? IT'S ALREADY A, A MESS OUT THERE. IT WOULD BE A HUNDRED FOLD WORSE. SO I ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, TO DO THE RIGHT THING. TAKE US INTO THE FUTURE. BRING EVEN IF IT'S A DROP IN THE BUCKET, BRING SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO YOUR BEAUTIFUL CITY OF SEDONA. DO THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE COUNCIL DID NOT APPROACH THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, THE ZONING COMMISSION OR WHOEVER IT WAS. NO. A A A MEMBER OF THE CITY STAFF WHO HAS RETIRED. AND SO HE IS NOT HERE TO SAY WHAT HE DID SAY OR DIDN'T SAY. I STAND CORRECTED. THAT'S, IT'S OKAY. JUST FOR THE RECORD. OKAY. MARSHA, FOLLOWED BY JONAS RE. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARIA DENNY. I'VE, I'M SORRY. I'M A FULL-TIME RESIDENT OF MEDU ROAD OF IN SEDONA, OF COURSE, SINCE 2011. I COMMEND THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER'S DESIRE TO HAVE A DEVELOPED TO INCREASE AFFORDABLE WORK WORKFORCE HOUSING. HOWEVER, I CONTINUE TO HAVE SEVERAL OBJECTIONS TO THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ALLEVIATED BY THEIR REVISED LETTER OF INTENT. THE PROPOSED R THREE ZONING DESIGNATION IS TOO EXTREME, A CHANGE IN DENSITY. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DIRECTLY ABUTS RSS 10 ZONING DISTRICTS ON THE DOLE ROAD AND TRANQUIL AVENUE. THE DENSITY OF THESE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS IS FOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES PER ACRE. RM THREE, WHICH ACCORDING TO THE CITY OF SEDONA LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS HIGH DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY [02:45:01] ALLOWING 20 UNITS PER ACRE, UM, IS INTENDED, AND I I QUOTE FROM THE CODE CAN SERVE AS A TRANSITION BETWEEN OTHER MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL OR MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICTS. RM THREE IS THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE DENSITY OPTION OF THE MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS. THE OTHERS RM ONE AND RM TWO ALLOW EIGHT DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, RESPECTIVELY, ACCORDING TO THE CODE RM ONE WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE ZONE DISTRICT FOR THIS PROPERTY SINCE IT CAN QUOTE, SERVE AS A TRANSITION BETWEEN MEDIUM AND HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS AND OTHER MULTIFAMILY AND OR MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICTS. MY OTHER OBJECTIONS, CONCERN INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRAFFIC IMPACTS AT SUCH A HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT WOULD CAUSE INCLUDING WEAR AND TEAR ON ACCESS ROADS ME ROAD IS NOT MAINTAINED BY THE CITY AND IT'S UP TO RESIDENTS TO REPAIR THE ROAD EVERY YEAR MY HUSBAND AND I PURCHASE AND PUT DOWN MANY BAGS OF ASPHALT TO KEEP IT IN DRIVABLE CONDITION. ALSO, THE CULVERT UNDER ME NEAR HIGHWAY 89 A IS ALREADY INADEQUATE FOR DRAINING THE FLOODPLAIN RUNNING THROUGH PART OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND BECOMES BLOCKED BY LARGE HEAVY BRANCHES, WHICH WE HAVE PULLED OUT WITH OUR JEEP STORM. WATER THEN FLOWS OVER THE ROAD CAUSING FURTHER DAMAGE. UM, I THINK THE ADDITIONAL WATER USE AND DRAINAGE FROM AN RM THREE DEVELOPMENT COULD WORSEN THIS PROBLEM, CREATING A HARDSHIP DU RESIDENTS. ALSO, I SEE THE REVISED LETTER OF INTENT REFERS TO THE POSSIBILITY THAT NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS COULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR A PORTION OF ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED BY THE DEVELOPMENT. I DEFINITELY DO NOT SUPPORT THIS. I COULD, UH, WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT A ZONE CHANGE TO RM ONE MEDIUM DENSITY MULTIFAMILY, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE MORE HOUSING THAN CURRENTLY ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY, AND WOULD PRESERVE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND PROPERTY VALUE, AS WELL AS DECREASE ADVERSE EFFECTS ON EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU. JONAS. FOLLOWED BY BRAD BILL, MADAM MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS JOHNNA RY. I LIVE ON ANTE DRIVE AND I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA FOR A QUARTER OF A CENTURY. AND I AM HERE TO SAY I SUPPORT HOUSING FOR OUR WORKERS, FOR OUR ELDERLY FOLKS, AND ALSO FOR ANYONE WHO CHOOSES TO COME AND LIVE IN THIS BEAUTIFUL PLACE THAT WE'VE CHOSEN TO LIVE IN. THE LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY HOUSING SOUNDS IDEAL FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUT THERE ARE FEW THINGS TO CONSIDER AS COUNCILWOMAN CHARLOTTE. SORRY, I DON'T KNOW YOUR LAST NAME. SPOKE OF BLENDING IN. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE SELL SEDONA AS A PLACE WHERE WE CAN COME AND BE IN HARMONY. AND I THINK OUR HOUSING ALSO NEEDS TO BE IN HARMONY WITH WHAT WE'RE SHOWING OURSELVES TO BE THE TRAFFIC THAT'S AN ISSUE. WHO WOULDN'T WANT TO COME TO SEDONA? I CERTAINLY DID A QUARTER OF A CENTURY AGO, BUT I LIVE ON, ON DANTE DRIVE AND I DID JUST SOME SIMPLE MATH WITH THE CARS COMING TO AND FRO DOWN ON DANTE, NOT TAKING IN ME DO, IF THE CURRENT HOUSING WAS BUILT, 36 UNITS PER TOTAL IN THE NINE ACRES, TWO PEOPLE LIVING IN THE UNIT, AND THEY EACH HAD A CAR THAT'S 144 CARS. IF IT WERE THE TWO PEOPLE LIVING ON THE PROPOSED, UM, IT WOULD BE ABOUT 180 UNITS PER NINE ACRES. I JUST DID NINE ACRES TO KEEP IT SIMPLE. THAT IS 360 PEOPLE AND THAT'S 720 CARS. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, SO TAKING TRAFFIC INTO CONSIDERATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I SIT ON MY FRONT PORCH AND WATCH THE STOPLIGHT AND THE CARS, THEY BACK UP TO TRANQUIL AND IT'S ABOUT FOUR STOPLIGHTS SOMETIMES BEFORE ANYONE CAN GET THROUGH, AND THAT'S CURRENT TRAFFIC. SO WITH THE UNKNOWN IMPACTS, WITH NO DEVELOPMENT PAN PLAN PROPOSED, THERE'S SO MUCH UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME THAT TO EVEN PREDICT THE ACTUAL IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR [02:50:01] JUST IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. DO WE BLEND IN? I JUST APPRECIATE YOU HEARING ME THIS EVENING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. IS BRAD HERE? BRAD FOLLOWED BY OLIN. ROBY. HI, GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. MY NAME IS BRAD BELL. I'VE LIVED IN SEDONA NOW FOR 15 YEARS AND MOVED HERE. I CAME OUT HERE IN 98 AND SAID, THIS IS THE PLACE I WANT TO RETIRE. AND I MOVED TO SEDONA AND BUILT A HOME. NOT, YOU KNOW, SOME TIME AGO. UM, FEW YEARS BACK, YOU COUNT, PEOPLE CAME TO COUNCIL ABOUT BUILDING SERENADE APARTMENTS ON ADANTE ROAD. 52 UNITS AND TRAFFIC STUDIES WERE DONE. AND ADANTE ROAD COULDN'T HANDLE THE 52 UNITS OR POSSIBLY A HUNDRED CARS AT THAT POINT. UM, A UNIT LIKE THIS WITH 180 HOUSES IN THERE, POSSIBLY 250 CARS. HOUSE OF TRAFFIC COMING OUT ON 89 FROM ME OR RIGBY. UM, RIGBY IS STILL BEING A DIRT ROAD. UM, ME BEING A VERY NARROW ROAD, UM, AND TRANQUIL BEING A VERY NARROW ROAD, UM, LOOKING AT THE UNITS FOR AT FOUR UNITS PER ACRE AND PUTTING 36 HOMES IN. THERE IS QUITE A FEW HOMES TO DEAL WITH NINE ACRES. I LIVE IN CRIMSON VIEW AND WE ARE A PLANNED AREA DEVELOPMENT, SO WE HAVE SOME NATURAL LAND IN BETWEEN THE HOUSES. WHEN I LOOKED TO MOVE THERE, I SAW OTHER VACANT LAND AROUND AND WE LIKED HAVING THE OPEN SPACE. UH, THE HOUSE THAT'S ON THERE NOW, THE MEDU HOUSE BEING BUILT IN 1948, I KNOW DOESN'T APPLY TOWARD HISTORICAL BECAUSE MODIFICATIONS HAVE BEEN DONE TO THE HOUSE, BUT WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE LAND IN THE HOUSE IN 2015 AND PAID 1.4, THEY'VE TRIED TO SELL IT NOW 10 YEARS LATER FOR EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION, AND THEY CAN'T GET WHAT THEY WANT FOR THE PROPERTY. SO THEY'RE TRYING TO REZONE IT. UM, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE SERENADE APARTMENTS, IT'S ALREADY BEEN LOOKED AT. YOU CAN'T FIT THE CARS ON THERE. HOW ARE YOU PUTTING 180 HOMES WITH 200? WITH 300 CARS COMING OUT ONTO ALL OF THESE ROADS, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO. THE CITY OWNS 400 ACRES OF THE DELLS ON 10 PARCELS. START LOOKING AT THAT AND DEVELOPING THAT INTO A MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY. START SELLING OFF THE LAND TO DEVELOPERS. PEOPLE CAN DRIVE A FEW MILES TO GET INTO THE CITY OF SEDONA TO WORK. WHEN I HAD MY FIRST JOB, I DROVE 40 MILES EACH WAY FOR A JOB, FOR $6 AN HOUR. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE WALKABILITY TO WORK, AND THE PEOPLE THAT WALK TO WORK ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE APARTMENT RENT. AND LET ALONE HAVING A THIRD YEAR CONTINGENCY TO NOT BE ABLE TO BE TURNED INTO SHORT TERM RENTALS. IT SHOULD BE PERMANENT THAT IT CAN'T BE TURNED INTO THAT. BUT I'M FOUR, FOUR UNITS PER ACRE. THAT'S WHAT THE PROPERTY SHOULD BE ZONED FOR AND THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD STAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OLIN, FOLLOWED BY JEANNIE BLOOM. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. MY NAME IS OLIN ROBY. I MOVED TO SEDONA IN 1999, UM, LIVED IN THE CITY UNTIL FIVE YEARS AGO. I NOW LIVE ABOUT A MILE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. UM, I'VE BEEN FRIENDS WITH JIM AND SUE YOUNG FOR PROBABLY ABOUT 10 YEARS NOW. SOMETHING I WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THEM IS THAT THEY ARE, THEY LIVE A VERY ALTRUISTIC LIFESTYLE. THEIR WHOLE LIFE REVOLVES AROUND BEING OF BENEFIT TO OTHER PEOPLE AND DOING THE RIGHT THING IS REALLY THE FOUNDATION OF THEIR WHOLE LIFE. AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF. THE ISSUE OF THEIR LAND IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THEIR ALTRUISM. THEIR LIFE WOULD BE MUCH EASIER FOR THEM AND VERY POSSIBLY MORE PROFITABLE IF THEY JUST IGNORED THIS WHOLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONVERSATION AND SOLD THEIR LAND TO A HOME DEVELOPER. BUT THAT WOULD PUT, UM, 35 OR 36 MULTIMILLION DOLLAR HOMES ON THE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT SEDONA NEEDS. INSTEAD, THEY'VE INVESTED COUNTLESS HOURS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO TRY AND MAKE THEIR LAND AVAILABLE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM KNOWS SEDONA NEEDS VERY BADLY. SO I THINK WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US HERE IS A PERFECT STORM, LIKE A PERFECT STORM OF OPPORTUNITY THOUGH. NUMBER ONE, THE CITY RECOGNIZES THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING. NUMBER TWO, THE COMMUNITY PLAN RECOGNIZES THIS LAND AS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT PURPOSE. NUMBER THREE, THE OWNERS ARE WILLING TO, ARE EAGER TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY JUST FOR THAT PURPOSE. [02:55:02] AND I BET MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF SEDONA, UH, WANT THE SAME THING. THE ONLY OBJECTION THAT I'M HEARING HERE IN THE ROOM IS THE NOT IN MY BACKYARD OBJECTION. AND THAT'S VERY UNDERSTANDABLE. UM, IF SOMEWHAT SELF-SERVING BUT NOT IN MY BACKYARD DIDN'T STOP THE 1 79 PROJECT AND IT DIDN'T STOP THE FOREST ROAD EXTENSION. AND I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD STOP THIS DEVELOPMENT EITHER. I THINK, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS TOO IMPORTANT FOR THAT. PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH RESPECT. I SAY THAT THERE, UH, CONCERNS ARE VALID, BUT I THINK THEY'RE MISSING OUT ON THE FACT THAT WHEN THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE CITY WILL HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL OVER HOW TO MITIGATE, UH, THE IMPACT THAT IT HAS ON THE NEIGHBORS. I THINK AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHOULD BE YOUR PRIORITY FOR THIS CITY, AND YOUR VOTE FOR THIS ZONING CHANGE WILL GET US CLOSER TO MAKING AFFORDABLE HOUSING A REALITY WHERE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST AN IDEA. YOUR VOTE AGAINST THIS ZONING CHANGE WILL GIVE US MORE MILLION DOLLAR HOMES, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE NEED. SO TONIGHT, I HOPE THAT YOU WILL, UM, THAT WE, WELL TONIGHT WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES REALLY ARE. I HOPE YOU'LL DO THE RIGHT THING AND, UH, APPROVE THIS ZONING CHANGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JEANIE, FOLLOWED BY TYLER CARSON. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. MY NAME IS JEANNIE BLOOM. I AM A SEDONA RESIDENT AND I'M SPEAKING IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THE TRANQUIL ZONE CHANGE. THIS IS A THOUGHTFUL COMMUNITY GUIDED STEP THAT ALIGNS WITH SEDONAS ADOPTED PLANS AND ADDRESSES OUR URGENT HOUSING NEEDS. SEDONA HAS BEEN STUDYING AND DISCUSSING OUR HOUSING CHALLENGES NOW FOR DECADES. SEDONAS COMMUNITY PLAN, THE LDC, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE DATA THAT WAS COLLECTED FOR THE WESTERN GATEWAY INITIATIVE, THE HOUSING STUDIES THAT WERE DONE, AND NOW THE EMERGING BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY ALL POINT IN THE SAME DIRECTION. WE NEED MORE LONG-TERM HOUSING FOR LOCAL WORKERS, FAMILIES, AND SENIORS. THE 50 TRANQUIL SITE HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR YEARS AS AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE HOUSING. THIS ZONE CHANGE IS NOT SPECULATIVE, IT IS GROUNDED IN YEARS OF ADOPTED POLICY, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AND LAND USE PLANNING THAT ALREADY DESIGNATE THIS PARCEL FOR THIS EXACT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. THIS ACTION SIMPLY BRINGS THE ZONING INTO ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS ALREADY AGREED TO. AS WE KNOW, HOUSING TAKES YEARS TO COME TO FRUITION WHEN THE LAND SITS FALLOW YEAR AFTER YEAR. WHEN YOU DELAY, WE LOSE MORE THAN TIME. WE LOSE OPPORTUNITY. WE LOSE FAMILIES WHO MUST LEAVE SEDONA. WE LOSE EMPLOYEES WHO CANNOT FIND A PLACE TO LIVE. AND WE RISK SIGNALING THAT EVEN WHEN WE SAY THAT HOUSING IS A PRIORITY, WE ARE UNWILLING TO ACT TO MAKE IT A REALITY. WE SEE THIS PATTERN ACROSS SEVERAL SITES. THE, UH, 24 11 STATE ROUTE 89 A PARCEL WAS PURCHASED FOR LITECH. THIS IS STILL WAITING TO MOVE FORWARD. THE SUNSET LOFTS PROJECT PLANS ARE APPROVED DEPENDENT ON A CLOSING OF FUNDING GAP. AND NOW 50 TRANQUIL, ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING SITES THAT CAN MEANINGFULLY ADVANCE OUR HOUSING GOALS. MEANWHILE, MORE THAN 70% OF SEDONAS WORKFORCE COMMUTES IN DAILY. THIS IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE FOR OUR ECONOMY, OUR ENVIRONMENT, EXCUSE ME, OR OUR COMMUNITY IDENTITY. A COMMUNITY CANNOT REMAIN VIBRANT IF THE PEOPLE WHO SERVE IT CANNOT LIVE HERE. A ZONE CHANGE DOESN'T CREATE BUILDINGS OVERNIGHT. THERE'S NO PROJECT WITH BEING BUILT IMMEDIATELY, BUT WHAT IT DOES DO IS ESTABLISH THE FOUNDATION NEEDED FOR RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT. IT SIGNALS TO OUR LEADERS THAT, UH, SEDONA IS SERIOUS ABOUT CREATING HOMES FOR THE PEOPLE. SO I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE ZONE CHANGE AND I URGE YOU TO NOT DO BUSINESS AS USUAL, BUT TO MAKE A GOOD LEADERSHIP DECISION TO MOVE THE COMMUNITY FORWARD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. JEANNIE [03:00:01] TYLER. OKAY. SEAN SMITH, FOLLOWED BY, UH, MARY CHICO, BUT SHE'S NOT HERE. I'M GONNA READ HER COMMENTS. GOOD EVENING MAYORS, COUNSELORS AND STAFF. MY NAME IS SEAN SMITH AND I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA. DECLARING HOUSING CRISIS SHOULD MEAN SOMETHING HERE. IT SHOULD MEAN SETTING ASIDE RESIDENT NCE TO A ZONE CHANGE THAT IS SUPPORTIVE OF MULTI-FAMILY AND MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. IT IS BETTER TO GET THE ZONE CHANGE DONE AHEAD OF DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AS IT REDUCES COST RISK. THE ADDITIONAL UPSIDE FROM NOT HAVING TO NEGOTIATE HIS OWN CHANGE MEANS THE DEVELOPER COULD EASIER MEET WHATEVER GOALS WE END UP WITH AFTER THE HOUSING STUDY. THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT OF HAVING MORE LAND DESIGNATED FOR MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING SHOULD BE THE PRIME CONSIDERATION HERE TODAY. THIS ZONE CHANGE IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOST PRIME GOAL OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN. MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, 70% MARKET RATE OF SMALLER UNIT SIZE EQUALS MORE FAMILIES AND WORKERS LIVING HERE, WHICH IS THE MAIN GOAL. IF THERE ARE RULES REQUIRING CONSIDERATION OF SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT ASPECTS FOR A ZONE CHANGE, THE HOUSING CRISIS SHOULD SURELY HAVE TRIGGERED RELAXING OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS. AND WE SHOULD BE BOLD IN THE FACE OF UNDERSTANDABLE. UM, FEAR, UNCERTAINTY AND DOUBT. UNTIL WE HAVE A PROPER PERCENTAGE OF MULTIFAMILY AT LEAST APPROACHING THE NATIONAL AVERAGE FOR RURAL TOWNS, WE SHOULD ACCEPT THE UNKNOWABLES THAT WILL COME UP LATER IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. LET'S SHARPEN THE PENCIL ON WHAT IT MEANS TO BE IN A HOUSING CRISIS WITH EXPLICIT POLICIES IN GENERAL AND SPECIFICALLY HERE AROUND ZONE CHANGES IN THE ABSENCE OF A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. SINCE WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT, LET'S GIVE THIS PROPOSAL A PASS AND WORK TOWARDS CLARIFYING WHAT WE WILL AND WON'T SUPPORT EXCEPT UNDER THIS CRISIS AND A SITE ABOUT TRAFFIC CONSIDERING CHANGES REQUIRING DEVELOPER IMPACT FEES TO GOING TO UPGRADES TO THE CITY'S TRAFFIC SIGNALS, TO A MACHINE LEARNING BASED TECHNOLOGY TO MITIGATE INCREASED TRAFFIC. THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS LEAD TO ANALYSIS. IF TRAFFIC CONCERNS LEAD TO ANALYSIS PARALYSIS, WE'LL NEVER MAKE A DENT IN THE ATTAINABLE HOUSING PROBLEM. AS REGARDS DENSITY AGAINST SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THE INTENTION FOR HIGHER DENSITY ON THAT LOT APPEARS TO GO BACK FAR ENOUGH THAT THIS ASK FOR DENSITY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ANTICIPATED BY SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. THE EASEMENT ON THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY AND A MIX OF LOWER DENSITY SOUTH OF THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH TRANSITION FROM HIGH TO LOW DENSITY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE HEIGHT LIMIT IN PLACE. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, AND TO READ THIS FROM MARY QUEEN, SHE SAYS THE VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION'S BOARD OF DIRECTORS SUPPORT THE ZONE CHANGE. OKAY. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK. YOU WANNA SPEAK? YES. GIVE US YOUR, UH, YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND THEN PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD AFTER YOU'VE SPOKEN. I DIDN'T KNOW I CAME IN A LITTLE LATE. THAT'S FINE. MY NAME IS DAVID COHEN. I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS. UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M HERE. UH, ACTUALLY I'M NOT NEXT TO ANY OF THE AREAS THAT ARE INVOLVED, BUT I AM PART OF CRIMSON VIEW AND I KNOW MANY RESIDENTS THAT DO LIVE CLOSE TO THAT AREA. AND AS FAR AS, UH, THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY TO HIGH DENSITY RM THREE DESIGNATION, UH, I AM, I'VE LOOKED AT THE PROS AND CONS AND, UH, I PERSONALLY AM IMPOSED TO IT. RM THREE WOULD ALLOW, AGAIN, UP TO 190 UNITS ON A PROPERTY THAT IS ENTIRELY SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THE SITES ELEVATED ABOVE 89 A, SO THE VISUAL AND THE PHYSICAL IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT AND UNAVOIDABLE. THE LEVEL OF THE DENSITY DOES NOT FIT THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. AGAIN, EVERYONE'S TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND THAT ALONE SHOULD GIVE THE COUNCIL SERIOUS PAUSE. THE ONLY ACCESS ROUTES TRANQUIL RIGBY ME ARE NON THROUGH RESIDENTIAL STREETS. TRANQUIL FEEDS INTO A NARROW AND ALREADY BURDENED ON DANTE RIGBY AND ME EXIT DIRECTLY ONTO ONE OF THE MOST CONGESTED STRETCHES OF 89 A. WE ALL KNOW THE CHALLENGES AT THE ANTE 89 A INTERSECTION. EVEN TODAY, A HIGH DENSITY PROJECT WOULD MAKE THE SITUATION MORE DANGEROUS AND MORE FRUSTRATING TO THE RESIDENTS. THERE ARE ALSO UNAVOIDABLE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T TALKED THAT MUCH ABOUT. HABITAT, WILDLIFE, STORM WATER [03:05:01] MANAGEMENT, AND THE OVERALL LIVABILITY OF SURROUNDING AREA HIGHER DENSITY LEAVES LITTLE ROOM FOR MEANINGFUL MITIGATION. ADDITIONALLY, WHILE THE PROPERTY OWNERS STAND TO BENEFIT FROM A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN LAND VALUE, AGAIN, THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS COULD FACE DECREASES IN PROPERTY VALUE AND REDUCE QUALITY OF LIFE. AND WE ARE HERE FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE. BUT MOST TROUBLING IS THERE'S NO, AGAIN, DEVELOPER, THERE'S NO PLAN. REZONING WOULD ALLOW ANY NUMBER OF HIGH DENSITY PROJECTS, CONDOS, LUXURY APARTMENTS, OR SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING NARRATIVE BEING USED TO JUSTIFY THE REQUEST. THE 30 YEAR STR EXEMPTION THAT APPLIES ONLY TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING COULD BE COMPLETELY BYPASSED. AND WITH THE RECENT CHANGE IN THE HOUSE BILL 2, 4, 4 7, THE STAKES ARE EVEN HIGHER. THIS NEW LAW ALLOWS CERTAIN PROJECTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT PUBLIC HEARINGS. IF REZONING IS APPROVED NOW, RESIDENTS WOULD ONLY HAVE MEANINGFUL CHANCE TO HAVE INPUT IN WHAT EVENTUALLY IS BUILT AND HAVE NO SAY. FOR ALL THESE REASONS, I URGE THE COUNCIL TO DENY RM THREE REZONING QUEST UNLESS A SPECIFIC BINDING AND FULLY TRANSPARENT DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION BASED ON WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN SAID. PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD FOR US TOO, SIR. IS THAT, IS THE 30 YEAR LIMITATION ON STR ONLY FOR THE AFFORDABLE UNITS? UH, NO. MADAM MAYOR, IT IS FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, RIGHT? YES. YEAH, IT'S FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTION? YEAH, GO AHEAD. OKAY. QUESTION FOR CARRIE, KURT. UH, 2, 4, 4 SEVEN'S BEEN REFERRED TO SEVERAL TIMES. CAN YOU JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S SAKE, IF THIS WERE TO PASS THIS REZONING TONIGHT, WHAT RECOURSE WOULD BE AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES ALONG WITH A PROJECT? SO, UM, MAYOR AND COUNCILS AND VICE MAYOR, SIMILAR TO THE 180 DAY REQUIREMENT, THAT'S A STATE PREEMPTION THAT PUTS THESE LIMITATIONS ON HOW CITIES CAN HANDLE THIS TYPE OF, UH, REZONING REQUESTS. UH, HOUSE BILL 24 47 WAS PASSED LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND IT REQUIRES, UM, STAFF APPROVAL OF SUBDIVISIONS, UM, SUBDIVISION, UH, PLATS AND, UM, REUSE OR YEAH, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. SO ANYTHING ELSE, CARRIE? I WOULD JUST SAY WITH THE CHANGES WHEN COUNCIL ADOPTED THOSE, THEY ALSO EXPANDED THE NOTIFICATION RADIUS. SO THE STATE HAS NOT TOLD US WE CANNOT NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORS THAT AN APPLICATION IS IN. SO WE WOULD BE SENDING OUT, WE WOULD SEND OUT NOTIFICATION TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 600 FEET AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT AND THOSE COMMENTS WOULD BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE REVIEW, BUT IT WOULD BE A DIRECTOR DECISION. AND YEAH. REVIEW BY, BASED ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS REVIEW ONLY BY STAFF, UH, A PUBLIC HEARING IS PROHIBITED ON SUBDIVISIONS AND, UM, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW GOING FORWARD. SO THE ONLY WAY THIS GOES PUBLIC VIA, UH, PNZ AND OR TO COUNSEL IS IF THERE'S VARIANCE REQUESTS OR SOME OTHER REQUESTED VARIAL APPEAL VARIATION TO THE AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE, UH, CREATED HERE. YEAH, SO FOR THIS EXACT PROJECT, UM, THE, YEAH, THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING. THERE WON'T BE A FUTURE ONE ON THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. OKAY, THANK YOU. THERE WOULD BE NO FUTURE ONE ON THE DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT? NO FUTURE ONE, UH, PER STATE LAW. IT WOULD BE PROHIBITED HELD AT PUBLIC HEARING ON THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. OKAY. I I AM SURE EVERYBODY WANTS TO COMMENT . SO WHOSE HAND IS RAISED FIRST? OKAY, SO FIRST LET ME MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT I AM A STRONG SUPPORTER OF WORKFORCE HOUSING BEING AVAILABLE WITHIN THE BORDERS OF SEDONA. SECOND, I AM VERY AWARE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A STRATEGIC HOUSING PLAN YET, AS MENTIONED BY THE MAYOR, WHICH HELPS US TO DETERMINE WHAT'S TYPES OF HOUSING WE NEED, MEANING APARTMENT, APARTMENT SIZES, TOWN HOMES, COTTAGES, WHATEVER. UM, AND HOW MANY WE NEED OF EACH THIRD. I AM AWARE SEDONA CANNOT PROVIDE ALL THE NECESSARY HOUSING FOR INCOME RESTRICTED SENIORS WHO WANNA STAY IN SEDONA LOWER INCOME WAGE EARNERS, SUPPORTING BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY OR PROFESSIONAL SLASH CRITICAL WORKFORCE AT THE HIGHER WAGE WAGE EARNERS WHO LOOK AFTER THE HOUSE. SAFETY AND WELFARE OF US IN OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE AND COST PER UNIT MAY BE PROHIBITIVE IN THE CURRENT MATERIALS MARKET. FINALLY, I AM AWARE THAT NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO LIVE IN SEDONA. WHETHER [03:10:01] THAT IS BECAUSE OF HOUSING TYPES OR THE DIMINISHED SUPPORT FOR FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN OR SOME OTHER REASON AND WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT EACH GROUP WOULD WANT OR NEED TO LIVE HERE. I DO KNOW THAT THE DECISION BEFORE US IS NOT ABOUT WHAT WILL BE BUILT TO SUPPORT THESE GROUPS. IT'S ABOUT CHANGING THE ZONING FOR SELLING THE LAND TO A DEVELOPER WHO IS WILLING TO CREATE SOME UNKNOWN NUMBER OF APARTMENTS UP TO 198 WITH A COMMUNITY BENEFIT OF 30% DESIGNATED FOR CRITICAL WORKFORCE, ESSENTIAL WORKFORCE AND LOW INCOME. THEY'RE MEANING 70% BEING AT MARKET RATE. REGARDING THIS AS THE MISSING MIDDLE, I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS HOLDS, AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO BUY SECOND AND THIRD HOMES HERE IN SEDONA. WHY WOULDN'T THEY JUST RENT POTENTIALLY A NICE APARTMENT? IT MIGHT END UP BEING CHEAPER COST PER MONTH THAN A MORTGAGE. I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL AWARE THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL HAVE TO ADHERE TO ALL THE OTHER STATEMENTS IN THIS AGREEMENT. THAT'S ABOUT TRAFFIC STUDIES, ABOUT ROAD REPAIR, ABOUT DRAINAGE, ABOUT STORM CONTROL, ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S INSIDE OF THIS DOCUMENT. EVERYTHING THAT, WELL, ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT WAS MENTIONED. 'CAUSE THERE'S MORE IN THE DOCUMENT. UM, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADHERE TO ALL THESE STATEMENTS. HOWEVER, THERE IS NO KNOWN DEVELOPER AT THIS STAGE. WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT HB 24 47, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, APPROVING THIS REZONE NOW WILL MEAN THAT NO PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL HAPPEN WHEN THERE IS A DEVELOPER WITH AN ACTUAL SITE PLAN. AND WE UNDERSTAND AND CAN DISCUSS THE TYPES OF HOUSING, WHETHER THEY'RE STUDIOS, 1, 2, 3, BEDROOM, WHATEVER THEY ARE, THE DISTRIBUTION AND OVERALL SIZES OF THE UNITS, AND A GUARANTEE THAT UNITS BUILT FOR THE WORKFORCE AND LOWER INCOME WILL BE OF THE SAME SIZE AND QUALITY AS SIMILAR UNITS BUILT FOR MARKET RATE, ALONG WITH WHETHER TRAFFIC AND NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACTS ARE ACCEPTABLE, WHETHER THE IMPACTS ON OUR WILDLIFE IS ACCEPTABLE, ALL OF THOSE WILL NOT BE UP FOR DISCUSSION IN A PUBLIC FORUM. THIS WILL NOW BE LEFT TO THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF. I HAVE FEW CONCERNS REGARDING THE STAFF MAKING GOOD DECISIONS BASED ON ITEMS IN THE CODES, THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, FIRE SAFETY ISSUES, PARKING FLOODPLAIN, PLANT MANAGEMENT, UH, ROAD AND SHARED USE PATH, QUALITY LOCATION EXPECTATIONS FOR THE EX, FOR THE PROTECTION OF WILDLIFE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN REQUIREMENTS. HOWEVER, THERE ARE NO ITEMS IN OUR CODE SPECIFICALLY REGARDING WORKFORCE HOUSING TYPES OR SIZES. THERE IS NOTHING IN OUR CODES ASSURING THAT SIZE AND QUALITY MUST MATCH THAT USE FOR MARKET RATE HOUSING, ESPECIALLY IN THE SAME MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY OR THAT RENTAL AGREEMENT. TERMS WOULD INCLUDE SOME FORM OF PROOF OF LOCAL WORKFORCE TO REMAIN WORKFORCE HOUSING AS MUCH AS IS ALLOWED BY LAW, LET ALONE REQUIREMENTS FOR NATIVE LANDSCAPING OR SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH MIGHT LOWER UTILITY COSTS, NONE OF WHICH IS COVERED IN THIS AGREEMENT. THERE'S NO SUGGESTED LANGUAGE IN THE DIGA TO HELP ENSURE RENTAL TO WORKFORCE OVER POTENTIAL OTHERS IN THE SAME INCOME LEVELS. THERE IS MUCH ABOUT THIS NON PROJECT THAT I THINK COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW AND BE ALLOWED TO DISCUSS. HOWEVER, A DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE TODAY GIVEN STATE LAW SIMPLY TO PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF AND OUR CITY LEGAL STAFF WITH THE TIME NECESSARY TO REVIEW THE NEW CHANGES AND PERHAPS ENSURE THAT THIS IS ALL IRONCLAD. I WOULD BE OPPOSED TO APPROVAL AT THIS POINT. ADD TO THIS, THE FACT THAT BY APPROVING THE REZONE, NOW WE GIVE UP THE RIGHT TO KNOW AND ACT ON THOSE DETAILS REGARDING HOUSING DIVERSITY AND QUALITY, AS WELL AS UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACTS ON TRAFFIC IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT CAN ONLY BE PROVIDED BY AN ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN BY AN ACTUAL DEVELOPER. I NOW FIND MYSELF FEELING OPPOSED TO APPROVING THE REZONE TONIGHT. THANK YOU. MELISSA. I I WANNA MENTION SOMETHING. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. ANY OF THE HOUSING THAT'S DEDICATED TO AFFORDABILITY DOES NOT COUNT TOWARDS THE DENSITY. SO IF THERE'S 30%, I'M GONNA JUST ROUND UP THE NUMBERS. 30% OF 200 UNITS BE 60 UNITS, THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO THE 1 98. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY 260 PLUS OR MINUS UNITS, NOT 200 UNITS. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. I'M NOT SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT, SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY IT ON THE RECORD. I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE, KURT. UH, YES. SO, AND ACCORDING TO THE, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE [03:15:01] IN THE DIGA, ALL AFFORDABLE UNITS DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS DENSITY. UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE THEORETICAL MAXIMUM SAY IT'S TWO 60 DOESN'T MEAN IT'D BE HARD TO GET TO WITH HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, LOT COVERAGE, UH, SETBACKS, OTHER REQUIREMENTS IN THE LDC, BUT THE THEORETICAL, IT COULD BE THAT OR EVEN HIGHER IF THEY WERE ALL REALLY SMALL UNITS. OKAY, UH, DEREK, SURE. UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION, BUT THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED SOME MULTIFAMILY TO ADDRESS OUR HOUSING SITUATION, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE JUST PLOP AN APARTMENT BUILDING DOWN ON EVERY VACANT LAW WE CAN FIND IN TOWN. UH, AND I REALIZE THERE AREN'T MANY LEFT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NEED FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING DOESN'T MEAN THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR IT. UH, THE LACK OF A DEVELOPMENT PLAN LEAVES A LOT OF QUESTIONS UNANSWERED. UH, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS IS GONNA BE. WE DUNNO ABOUT TRAFFIC. UH, I REALIZE SOME OF YOU LIVE IN THE AREA, SO YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE ROADS. UH, THEY'RE AWFUL. UH, I ACTUALLY TRIED TO DRIVE UP ONE TODAY AND HAD TO TURN AROUND AND COME BACK AND DRIVE UP ANOTHER ONE. UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE A WRECK AND IF THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WIDEN THEM OR DO SOMETHING WITH THEM, THEN YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST GONNA MAKE THE SITUATION WORSE. AND THAT, THAT DOESN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT WHAT IT B IMPACT WILL BE. ON 89 A, UM, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE NEEDED. YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE OUR WORK TO DO ON THE WESTERN GATEWAY AND ON THE DELLS. UH, WE HAVE OTHER APARTMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE MUCH FURTHER ALONG THAN THIS ONE. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AS SOME OF THOSE COME ONLINE, WE MAY HAVE OUR, OUR NEEDS MAY CHANGE. UM, SO I DON'T SEE THERE'S ANY NEED TO RUSH, YOU KNOW, RUSH THIS TO AN APPROVAL. UM, YOU KNOW, USUALLY WHEN I, WHEN SOMEBODY BUYS NEXT TO A VACANT LOT AND THEN COMPLAINS ABOUT GET WHAT, WHAT GETS BUILT ON IT, I'M GENERALLY NOT VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THAT. UM, I SEE A LOT OF THAT IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS. PEOPLE THAT MOVE IN, YOU KNOW, NEXT TO A VACANT LOT THAT'S ZONED FOR, YOU KNOW, HEAVY RETAIL AND THEN THEY COMPLAIN WHEN SOMEBODY BUILT A GREAT BIG SHOPPING MALL ON IT. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED HERE. UH, THE RESIDENTS IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES BOUGHT NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE THAT WAS BUILT ON PROPERTY ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. UM, IT'S NOT TO SAY WE CAN NEVER CHANGE ZONING, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAY GO ON THIS PROPERTY BEFORE WE COULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD IS AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL. UM, AND WE JUST DON'T KNOW THAT NOW. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THIS STAGE I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO OVERRIDE STAFF. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO OVERRIDE P-N-Z-P-N-Z BY A SIX TO ONE VOTE ASKED US OR RECOMMENDED THAT WE DENY THIS. UM, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO FORFEIT THE LEVERAGE THAT THE CITY HAS, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH, UH, THE LEGISLATURE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO HAMSTRING US. UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR, THE ONE ACE UP OUR SLEEVE AND TO ME, WE DON'T HAND IT OUT JUST ON A, YOU KNOW, A WHIM. UM, SO I'M OPPOSED TO THE REZONING REQUEST. UM, I'M OPPOSED TO AN EXTENSION, FRANKLY. UM, I FEEL LIKE ENOUGH STAFF TIME HAS BEEN SPENT SPINNING WHEELS ON THIS PROJECT. UM, I ENCOURAGE THE LANDOWNERS TO COME FORWARD IF YOU'VE GOT A DEVELOPER WITH A REAL PLAN, UH, WHO CAN BRING SOMETHING BEFORE STAFF AND CAN BRING SOMETHING BEFORE COUNCIL OR PNC AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT I WANNA BUILD. AND THEN WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT'S GONNA BE VERSUS THE COMMUNITY COST. BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET. SO I'M GONNA BE VOTING TO DENY THE REZONING REQUEST. CHARLOTTE, LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANNA SPEAK. YOU CAN RAISE YOUR, I CAN SEE YOU SO YOU CAN JUST RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. I, I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK NOW. UM, FIRST, FIRST OF ALL, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH WHAT'S BEEN SAID SO FAR BY COUNCILOR DUNN, COUNCILOR F UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT RM THREE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CIRCULATION AND TRAFFIC ISSUES FOR THOSE TWO PRIVATE ROADS AND TRANQUIL, WHICH IS NOT A MAJOR THREE-WAY, IS RESPECTFUL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, ANY ATTEMPTS TO CHANGE THOSE OR FRANKLY VERY FEASIBLE. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THE 30% AFFORDABILITY PERCENTAGE IS SUFFICIENT FOR THE DENSITY THAT IS BEING PROPOSED. I WOULD SUPPORT MEDIUM DENSITY, BUT THAT IS NOT THE REQUEST OF THE OWNER. AND I, I ACTUALLY ENCOURAGE ANY INTERESTED DEVELOPER [03:20:02] TO DO IT THEMSELF AND MAKE, UH, MAKE THEIR OWN PROPOSALS, PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. THEY'VE HEARD WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND I THINK THEY MAY GET A DIFFERENT PERCEPTION, UM, WITH A DIFFERENT KIND OF PROJECT. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHARLOTTE. WHO WANTS TO GO NEXT? SURE. OKAY. THANK MAYOR. SO I'LL START WITH ASKING THE QUESTION I ASKED BEFORE ABOUT WHETHER THIS OWNER WANTS TO CONTINUE WITH THIS HEARING TONIGHT OR WHETHER AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WHETHER YOU WANNA SUBMIT A LETTER ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION. NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S GUARANTEED THAT WE'RE GONNA ACCEPT IT. I THINK IT'S THE STAFF, BUT AT THIS POINT IT'S THE COUNCIL THAT REALLY IS GONNA DECIDE. SO I'M GONNA PUT THAT QUESTION OUT TO YOU TO SEE IF YOU WANNA ANSWER IT. WE WILL PROCEED WITH THE HEARING TONIGHT, COUNSELOR. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU. HEAR THAT THEY WILL, YOU DON'T WANNA SUBMIT THE LETTER. PROCEED. OKAY. PROCEED. YEP. OKAY. SO I'M GONNA REFLECT SOME COMMENTS THAT I HEARD FROM SOME OF THE TESTIMONY TONIGHT. AND I'M REFLECTING BACK TO THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THIS COMMUNITY AND OUR STAFF AND THIS COUNCIL PUT INTO OUR COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATE THAT WE DID. AND THERE WAS NO SECRET THAT THIS PROPERTY WAS GONNA BE PUT IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. WE VOTED ON THAT, WE APPROVE THAT. AND I AM ABSOLUTELY IMPRESSED FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER IN OUR COMMUNITY HISTORY THAT WE HAD A REAL DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NEED FOR A DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND IT'S ALL OVER THE COMMUNITY PLAN. AND I CERTAINLY TAKE HEED TO THAT. I CERTAINLY WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AT THE TIME. AND I REMAIN ABSOLUTELY SUPPORTIVE TO FIXING THE PROBLEM THAT THESE COUNCIL COUNCIL'S PAST OUR COMMUNITY'S HISTORY HAS BEEN OF DENYING EVERYTHING OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN OUR COMMUNITY. THERE IS NO DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES. WE MISS EVERYTHING. AND I KNOW SOME OF MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, WE'RE GETTING TOO FAR AHEAD OF THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY THAT MAY COME, BUT I'VE READ THE HOUSING NEEDS STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE. WE NEED MORE OF EVERYTHING. AND WHATEVER IS GONNA BE BUILT ON THIS PROPERTY ISN'T GONNA CONSUME ANY ONE POTENTIAL CATEGORY. DO I THINK THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS EVER GOING TO SOLVE THE ENTIRE HOUSING PROBLEM IN OUR COMMUNITY ALONE? NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT. BUT WE NEED TO DO OUR SHARE. WE NEED TO WORK IN COOPERATION WITH THE REST OF THE VERDE VALLEY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROGRESS AS COMMUNITIES. SO I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF HOUSING EFFORTS IN THIS TOWN AND I APPLAUD THIS. THESE APPLICANTS WHO I'VE SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME WITH AND OTHERS HAVE SPOKEN TO WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE IN THIS COMMUNITY, THEN I APPLAUD THAT. I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PROGRESS MADE WITH THE APPLICATION SO FAR, BUT, BUT A LOT OF IT IS AT THE LAST MINUTE. AND I KNOW PEOPLE THAT COME FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR IN THEIR OWN PERSONAL LIVES AND HAVEN'T DEALT WITH GOVERNMENTS BEFORE, THINK YOU CAN JUST TURN ON THE DIME AND MAKE OFFERS AND THAT'LL BE GOOD ENOUGH. BUT IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH IN A PUBLIC PROCESS FOR GOOD AND FOR BAD. THE PUBLIC PROCESS IS SLOW AND WE HAVE TO HAVE HEARINGS WITH INFORMATION THAT'S BEFORE US WITH ENOUGH TIME FOR OUR STAFF TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES AT THE LAST MINUTE HERE AND I WAS HOPEFUL THAT THIS APPLICANT WANTED TO PERHAPS TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME AND EXERCISE THEIR LEGAL RIGHT, BUT IT'S THEIR LEGAL RIGHT NOT TO ASK FOR MORE TIME EITHER. I'M COGNIZANT OF THE CHANGES THAT THE STATE IS MAKING TO OUR PROCESS AND IT'S REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR ALL OF US BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WE'RE GOING TO LOSE CONTROL OF SOME [03:25:01] OF THIS PROCESS. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT MOST OF THE CONTROL THAT WE HAVE IS IN THE LDC. AND IF WE DON'T THINK THE RULES IN THE LDC ARE STRONG ENOUGH YET, THEN IT IS UP TO US TO CHANGE THEM. RIGHT? THERE ARE OTHER PLACES THAN SEDONA IN THIS WORLD, AND I KNOW OUR HISTORY HASN'T BEEN OF APPROVING ZONING CHANGES WITHOUT SEEING SITE PLANS. OKAY, THAT'S TRUE. BUT I WILL POINT EVERYBODY TO FLAGSTAFF, WHICH IS ONLY JUST UP THE HILL, WHICH HAS A MEDIUM SCALE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT PROCESS, WHICH THIS TO MY READING OF THE CODE, I'M NOT THE EXPERT, I JUST PULLED UP THIS, THIS WEEKEND, WOULD REQUIRE A DA FOR THIS THING TO MOVE FORWARD A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT. SO THIS IS NOT OUR PROCESS, BUT THIS IS A PROCESS THAT EXISTS OUT HERE IN OUR STATE IN A VERY COMPARABLE, UH, COMMUNITY THAT WE MIGHT THINK OF IN THE FUTURE. IT DOESN'T APPLY TODAY, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER ASPECT OF, SO IT WOULD BE A MEDIUM SCALE ZONING AMENDMENT. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ELEMENT IN THEIR CODE THAT ALLOWS FOR, WHERE DID I PUT IT? I'M SORRY. LET ME GET MY PAGES STRAIGHT. 10, 20, 50 0.0 40. SECTION D IS ABOUT THEIR APPLICATION PROCEDURES. POINT TWO D TWO IS AUTHORIZATION TO REZONE WITH A CONCEPT ZONING PLAN. WE DON'T HAVE TO SEE SITE PLANS FOR EVERYTHING THAT COMES FORWARD TO US. MANY COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE OF SEDONA HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR AS LONG AS YOU CAN IMAGINE. THERE ARE OUT, THERE ARE OTHER PLACES IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT LEVEL OF RESTRICTION. AND I DON'T WANNA GO THERE. BUT THE STATE IS POINTING US TO A PROCESS WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TRUST OUR STAFF. AND I REALLY BELIEVE BASED ON THESE RECENT CHANGES, THAT THE DIRECTOR AND THE DIRECTOR'S STAFF IS GONNA BE EVEN MORE. I THINK THEY'VE ALWAYS TOWED THE LINE AND I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE EVEN MORE TOWING THE LINE TO AVOID RISKS IN THE FUTURE. WE'RE GONNA SEE MORE AND MORE APPEALS TO DECISIONS COMING FORTH TO US BECAUSE OF THIS NEW PROCESS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE AFRAID OF NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE SITE PLANS. WE'VE SEEN A LOT, AND I THINK I GO BACK TO THE FINDINGS FOR REZONINGS AND WHAT'S NOT DONE HERE. WE'VE SEEN SO MUCH MOVEMENT IN ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS TO ME STILL EXIST ABOUT SURROUNDING IMPACTS ON, UH, IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS, PERHAPS ROAD SYSTEMS. I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW THIS PRIVATE ROAD NEXT TO YOU GETS WRAPPED INTO THE PLAN AND IT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY CONTINGENT ON THAT. AND I WISH YOU WOULD TAKE MORE TIME TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS AND, AND, AND WORK ON A DA WITH US. SAID THAT, THAT I SAID THAT FOR ME. UM, A COUPLE OTHER TECHNICAL ELEMENTS IN THE THING BEFORE US THAT I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH, UH, I READ, AND I THINK IT WAS IN CARRIE, YOUR PRESENTATION WAS IN THE WORDS THERE THAT SAID 30 YEARS TO THE FIRST CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. WE DON'T KNOW THIS COULD BE A PHASED PROJECT YET. THE PHASES COULD STRETCH OUT BETWEEN TIME. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE FIRST COO IS THE RIGHT DESIGNATION IN THAT IT MAYBE IS THE LAST ONE OR A PHASED ONE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. TECHNICAL LIMIT FOR ME. I DO ALSO WORRY LIKE SOME OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES THAT, THAT YOU, THE APPLICANTS AND US HAVE HAND HANDCUFFED THIS PROJECT ALREADY, RIGHT? THE QUESTION IS GONNA ASK, WHY DO YOU WANNA DO THIS? THE HANDCUFFS ARE TIGHT. I WORRY ABOUT THAT TOO. AND SO I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US CONSIDER A TIME LIMIT ON A ZONING CHANGE IF IT WAS EVER MADE. IF SOME PROGRESS DOESN'T MADE PERMITS AREN'T PULLED SOME REASONABLE AMOUNT OF YEARS PASSES BY THE ZONING REVERTS. I'M A FAN OF DOING THAT. I, I THINK PEOPLE HAVE PLANS. LOTS OF DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN A, HAS BEEN PROPOSED IN SEDONAS HISTORY AND A LOT OF 'EM FAIL BECAUSE THE COST OF DOING THINGS HERE IS REALLY DIFFERENT THAN PERHAPS YOU THINK IT IS. UH, BUT, BUT THESE PLANS, ZONING CHANGES EVEN SHOULD REVERT IF YOU DON'T GET IT DONE. LET'S GIVE SOMEONE ELSE AN OPPORTUNITY AND PERHAPS A DIFFERENT IDEA. UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE, UH, YOU AGREE TO NO, NOT HARMING YOUR EXISTING STRUCTURE BEFORE PERMITS ARE MADE. I THINK I'VE HEARD THAT PERHAPS YOU'D BE WILLING TO DO THAT, BUT THAT'S VER UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT TO DO, [03:30:01] I THINK TO HELP, UH, MITIGATE THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN ON THE NORTH SIDE. I KNOW YOU SHOWED POTENTIALLY LUKE, YOU KNOW, AN SEP RUNNING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT, WHICH I GET. BUT YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD BE DOING HERE IS THERE'S A SEWER EASEMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE. YOU LAYER IN THE SHARED USE PATH RIGHT NEXT TO IT. THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD BUFFER, RIGHT? THAT COULD ALSO BE THOUGHT ABOUT IN THE FUTURE. AND THEN VERY LATELY, THIS IDEA OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOESN'T COUNT TO DENSITY. THAT'S INTERESTING TO ME. I THINK REALITY SAYS THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BOOST THE DENSITY THAT MUCH MORE, BUT A UNIT CAP IN A, IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT MIGHT ALSO HAD HAVE BEEN A GOOD IDEA. SO I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT I WAS INTRIGUED AT THIS APPROACH. UH, I WISH YOU WOULD TAKE MORE TIME. YOU'VE EXERCISED NOT TO DO THAT. UM, AND SO I THINK IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO GET SUPPORT FROM ALL OF COUNCIL AND THAT MAY IN FACT INCLUDE ME AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU, PETE. KATHY? OH, GO AHEAD, KURT. SEVERAL TIMES NOW HERE ON THE DIOCESE AND OUT IN THE AUDIENCE, I'VE HEARD THAT, UM, THIS HAS BEEN PUT INTO THE MAP AS HIGH DENSITY, BUT I THOUGHT THAT, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT IT JUST SAID MULTIFAMILY AND THAT'S DIFFERENT. 'CAUSE THAT COULD BE RM TWO, NOT THREE. SO, SO IT'S BOTH. IT'S, IT SAYS IT'S HIGH, A MULTIFAMILY HIGH DENSITY, WHICH IS 12 UNITS OF ACRE OR MORE, WHICH IS RM TWO. RM THREE IS THE 20 UNITS OF ACRE, WHICH IS WHAT THE APPLICANT'S APPLIED FOR. SO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, IT COULD HAVE BEEN EITHER RM TWO OR RM THREE. UM, THE, THE LAND USE MAP IS NOT THAT SPECIFIC. USUALLY DOESN'T DETAIL THE EXACT ZONING. UH, 'CAUSE IT'S MORE ASPIRATIONAL. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, MY COLLEAGUE OVER HERE USED A WORD BEFORE HOPEFUL, WHICH I WAS ALSO HOPEFUL THAT THIS APPLICATION COULD GET WHERE IT NEEDED TO GO. 'CAUSE I, I ACTUALLY DO THINK THAT THIS IS A, UH, APPROPRIATE AREA FOR SOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. I DO THINK, AGAIN, THE, THE MEDIUM DENSITY, THE SMALLER AMOUNTS THAT COUNCILOR HOSSEINI WAS REFERRING TO WOULD BE A BETTER FIT. UM, BUT THERE WAS ALSO A COMMENT MADE BY SOMEONE WHO SPOKE THAT SAID, REZONING IS THE FIRST STEP, UH, IN THE PROCESS TO GETTING TO THE HOUSING. AND I DON'T THINK I AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT. I THINK A DEVELOPER WITH A PLAN IS THE FIRST STEP AND THAT COMES IN AND ASKS FOR THE, THE ZONING. SO THAT THERE, THERE ARE THE PARAMETERS THAT YOU'VE HEARD DISCUSSED. I DON'T NEED TO GO INTO ALL DETAIL BECAUSE IT WAS VERY ELOQUENTLY PUT FORWARD BY ALL MY COLLEAGUES. BUT WE ARE HAMSTRINGED WITHOUT THIS. WE DO NOT HAVE, WITHOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO RE RE, EXCUSE ME, REVIEW A REQUEST FOR A ZONE CHANGE. WE CAN'T LEVERAGE THAT FOR THE THINGS THAT WILL MATTER TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WILL HELP MITIGATE IMPACT ON NEIGHBORS THAT WILL BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY TO THE UTMOST. UH, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS JUST PREMATURE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL PLAN. I APPLAUD THE PROGRESS THAT YOU MADE, UM, IN SOME OF THESE AREAS, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH AND THERE'S NOTHING BINDING WITHOUT HAVING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THERE'S NOTHING THAT THAT BINDS US HERE, UH, UNDER THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES. AND AGAIN, I ALSO WAS LEANING TOWARD YOU TRYING TO TAKE THE LIFELINE BEING OFFERED, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU TO APPLY FOR A, UM, EXTENSION SO THAT YOU COULD WORK OUT SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT MIGHT GIVE US MORE COMFORT LEVEL. BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT COMFORT LEVEL. IT'S NOT HERE. AND WITHOUT THAT, I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS. SO, AND IT BREAKS MY HEART. 'CAUSE I DO, I WE NEED HOUSING DESPERATELY ACROSS ALL OF THE SPECTRUM. AND I DO THINK IT'S A, A REALLY WALKABLE LOCATION. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PLUSES TO DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT'S A PREMATURE APPLICATION. THANK YOU KATHY. BRIAN, THANK YOU MAYOR. MY COLLEAGUE SHOCKED. I'VE LIKE WAITED TILL THE END. I'M USED TO JUMPING IN EARLY HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, UH, ONE FO ON ONE PERSON THAT SPOKE ABOUT EXERCISING GOOD LEADERSHIP. AND I THINK AS A CITY COUNCIL, ONE WAY THAT WE DO THAT IS TO TRY TO HAVE FORESIGHT. AND COUNCILS, I THINK ARE OFTEN CRITICIZED POSTHUMOUSLY FOR A LACK OF FORESIGHT. AND, UH, I CERTAINLY DON'T LIKE TO, UH, CRITICIZE PAST SEDONA CITY COUNCILS, BUT WE HAVE BEEN HAMSTRUNG A COUPLE OF TIMES DURING [03:35:01] MY TIME ON COUNCIL WHERE WE'VE HAD TO APPROVE PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE NEVER WANTED TO. UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS A LACK OF FORESIGHT. AND THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE RESORT IS ONE SUCH EXAMPLE WHERE WE HAD NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER WHEN WE ALL FELT LIKE THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T NEED MORE LODGING. SO LOOKING AT THIS, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT FORESIGHT MUST WE HAVE TO AVOID BEING IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE STUCK WITH SOMETHING THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT WE WANT. AND YOU KNOW, MARY, YOU'VE BEEN A LITTLE BLACK RAIN CLOUD ON THAT THIS EVENING, WAY TO GO. UM, FIRST IT WAS THE FACT THAT THOSE AFFORDABLE UNITS COULD ALL BE LITTLE TINY STUDIOS AND NOT BE EFFECTIVE AT ENCOURAGING THE TYPES OF WORKERS OR WORKERS WITH FAMILIES THAT WE WANT. AND THAT'S A LEGIT CONCERN. AND THEN THE FACT THAT THE, UH, DIGGA DOESN'T, UH, COUNT THE AFFORDABLE AGAINST THE DENSITY, THAT'S ANOTHER, OOH, THAT'S NOT GOOD. THE, THE ENCUMBRANCES ON THE PROPERTY ARE STAGGERING TO ME. AND I THINK THOSE CREATE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AS WELL. I'LL PUT IT IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS. ONE IS I'VE BEEN A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER FOR 20 YEARS. I'VE STARTED SOME AND I'VE PURCHASED SOME, AND I'M IN THE PROCESS OF PURCHASING ONE RIGHT NOW. AND IF THE TERMS OF THE DEAL WERE THAT I COULDN'T OFFER A SERVICE FOR 30 YEARS, I'D HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. IF THE TERMS OF THE DEAL SAID THAT FOR 30% OF MY SERVICES, I COULDN'T PRICE THEM THE WAY THAT I WANT, I WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I WOULD LITERALLY LOOK AT THAT DEAL AND I WOULD MOVE ALONG. I WOULD BE LAUGHING TO MYSELF OF WHO ON EARTH WOULD WANNA SIGN UP FOR THAT. AND THAT'S HOW I THINK ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF WOULD BE DEVELOPERS. WHY WOULD A DEVELOPER WANT TO SIGN UP FOR THESE KINDS OF ENCUMBRANCES IN THE FIRST PLACE? IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. THE OTHER WAY I THINK ABOUT THESE ENCUMBRANCES THAT CONCERN ME AND THE 30 YEAR, UH, STR PROHIBITION STANDS OUT MOST SIGNIFICANTLY IS WE DID THE PROJECT ON SHELBY WITH A 30 YEAR PROHIBITION. AND THAT REQUIRED US PROVIDING THE LAND, PROVIDING A LOAN. I DON'T WANNA BE IN THE POSITION WHERE A DEVELOPER IS COMING IN HERE AND GOING, WELL, OKAY, WELL, WITH ALL THESE CONDITIONS, THE ONLY WAY WE CAN PULL THIS OFF IS IF THE CITY STARTS LENDING US MONEY. I, I DON'T WANT THAT. AND I, YOU KNOW, AND THAT, AND THE SHELBY PROJECT WAS A 4% LITECH PROJECT. I DON'T WANT ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THAT WAS BEYOND PAINFUL AND EXPENSIVE. AND YEAH, I'M GLAD WE GOT IT OVER THE GOAL LINE. WE DID IT. OKAY. BUT I DON'T WANNA BE IN A POSITION WHERE A PRIVATE PROJECT ENCUMBERS THE LAND IN SUCH A WAY THAT ULTIMATELY THE ONLY WAY IT WORKS IS IF WE BAIL IT OUT. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS FEELS LIKE. THIS COULD BE. SO THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME. NOW, THE COMMUNITY PLANT ABSOLUTELY ENCOURAGES US TO WANT TO SAY YES. AND I WANT TO SAY YES TO THE RIGHT DEAL. THIS JUST, ISN'T IT. SO WE SHOULD HAVE MULTIFAMILY ON THAT PROPERTY. IT IS A PERFECT LOCATION FOR IT. WALKING DISTANCE TO THE GROCERY STORE, WALKING DISTANCE TO THE BUS, WALKING DISTANCE TO A DOCTOR'S OFFICE. IT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD BE WANTING. BUT I RESPECT THE NEIGHBORS. AND BY THE WAY, HATS OFF TO EVERYBODY WHO HAS SPOKEN TONIGHT. YOU ALL HAVE BEEN FABULOUS, RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. IT'S BEEN A GREAT COMMUNITY CONVERSATION. THANK YOU FOR THAT IN ALL SINCERITY. SO, UM, I WANNA SAY YES, BUT THIS JUST NOT TO THIS. THERE'S JUST, I, I CAN'T, AND, UH, AGAIN, THE COMMUNITY PLAN SAYS WE SHOULD WANT TO DO THIS, AND I DO BELIEVE WE SHOULD WANT TO DO THIS, BUT BEING RESPECTFUL OF THE NEIGHBORS THINKING ABOUT PHASING IN THESE DIFFERENT DENSITIES, YOU KNOW, RM ONE NEXT TO THE NEIGHBORS, RM TWO IN THE MIDDLE, RM THREE FURTHER SOUTH TOWARDS 89 A SO THAT YOU SOFTEN THAT, THAT INTERFACE WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT'S THERE. YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD SAY TO ALL THE FOLKS, WHETHER YOU'RE IN [03:40:01] CRIMSON VIEW OR OFF OF ME, YOU KNOW, HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH US ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS, LIKE COMPROMISE IS HOW WE MAKE PROGRESS, NOT JUST DIGGING IN OUR HEELS. AND I'VE HEARD MANY OF YOU SUGGEST THAT THERE'S WAYS YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, BE MORE ACCEPTING OF THIS. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT HAVING THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASK FOR AN EXTENSION IS NECESSARILY FRUITFUL. I THINK WHAT WOULD BE MOST FRUITFUL IS HAVING A DEVELOPER IN HERE WITH YOU. WE RECENTLY, UH, HAD A PROJECT IN FRONT OF US WHERE THE DEVELOPER PUT AN OPTION ON A PIECE OF LAND PENDING GETTING THROUGH, UM, TENET TO OUT TO BE A ZONING REVERSION. UM, AND, AND THAT WOUND UP BEING AN EFFECTIVE WAY OF GETTING TO YES. SO THE PROPERTY OWNER GOT WHAT THEY WANTED, THE DEVELOPER GOT WHAT THEY WANTED. SO HELP US HELP YOU. OKAY? AND I KNOW IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING MUCH GOOD NEWS UP HERE, BUT I THINK, I THINK EVERYBODY HAS SAID, HEY LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE RECOGNIZE WE HAVE THE NEED FOR THIS, SO HELP US HELP YOU BRING A DEVELOPER TO THE TABLE SO THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH THIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, BRIAN. I, I'LL BE BRIEF BECAUSE MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID A LOT OF WHAT I WOULD'VE SAID. UM, I'M REMINDED ABOUT THE OAK CREEK HERITAGE DISTRICT AND THE PROJECT WE HAD BEFORE US WHERE ZONING ALL WAS ALREADY IN PLACE AND THE DEVELOPER SAID, WE HAVE RIGHTS AND YOU CAN'T ABRIDGE OUR RIGHTS. SO WHEN THE TRAFFIC STUDY CAME BACK AND IT WAS AN F WE WERE TOLD WE CAN'T GET ANY LOWER THAN AN F EVEN THOUGH IT WAS GONNA MAKE THE TRAFFIC WORSE. SO THAT'S NOT A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT. CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT? IT'S NOT A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT WHEN YOU'RE GONNA GET AN F MINUS. 'CAUSE F IS THE WORST THAT YOU CAN GET. UH, IT DID NOT FIT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THERE WAS A CFA THAT HAD PHOTOS OF WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE TO MEET THE, THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT WAS, WE WERE TOLD HAD NO LEGAL APPLICABILITY. SO CFA IS A DOCUMENT THAT MUCH LIKE THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT'S VERY HIGH LEVEL AND IS MORE ABOUT, ABOUT, UH, YOUR DESIRES, BUT IT HAS NO LEGAL SIGNIFICANCE. SO THAT WE COULDN'T USE THAT EITHER. AND WE FOUND OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAD NO LEVERAGE WHATSOEVER. AND WE CHIPPED AWAY AT A FEW THINGS. BUT BASICALLY WE GOT VERY LITTLE. AND WHY WAS THAT? BECAUSE WE GAVE UP THE ZONING WITHOUT A PLAN AND WE SAT HERE ON THIS DI AND SAID, WE ARE NEVER GOING TO DO THAT AGAIN. AND I REMIND MY COLLEAGUES OF THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT AGAIN. SO HERE WE ARE IN THE SAME SITUATION. I, LIKE MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES DO FEEL THAT THIS IS A GOOD, UH, PROPERTY FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT SHOULD BE RM THREE. I THINK 12 UNITS IS PROBABLY ENOUGH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVE NO PLAN. AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT LOOKING AT THE SCHEMATIC, AND I KNOW IT WAS JUST A SCHEMATIC TO ME, WORKED AGAINST YOU. BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE GOODROW, WHICH IS SMALL, AND AGAIN, HASN'T BEEN APPROVED, BUT IT'S THREE ACRES OR SO, WELL DENSITY ON THREE ACRES, WHICH IS LIKE 50, I THINK IT WAS 50 UNITS OR SOMETHING VERSUS NINE ACRES, WHEN YOU SHOWED THAT SCHEMATIC OF WHAT THE DENSITY WOULD LOOK LIKE, IT WAS DIDN'T FIT IN MY VIEW WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I LIKE YOUR SUGGESTION ABOUT HAVING DIFFERENT ZONING PERHAPS AS A WAY IN WHICH TO TRANSITION. I LIKE THAT IDEA A LOT. BUT THAT'S NOT BEFORE US. THERE ARE WAYS IN WHICH WE COULD ACHIEVE, I THINK, A PROJECT THAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD FIND ACCEPTABLE AND THE, UH, OWNERS WOULD FIND ACCEPTABLE AND THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WOULD FIND IT ACCEPTABLE. BUT WE, WE ARE NOT THERE YET AT ALL. AND I KNOW WE'RE FACED WITH THIS ARBITRARY, YOU KNOW, DEADLINE. BUT YOU CAN COME BACK. YOU, YOU CAN COME BACK TO US AS IF WE DENY THE PROJECT. IT'S NOT THE END, IT'S THE END OF THIS PARTICULAR PHASE OF IT, BUT IT'S NOT THE END. IT COULD STILL COME BACK. AND, UM, AND THE [03:45:01] LAST THING IS THAT TRAFFIC IS A REALLY HIGH PRIORITY FOR US. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE WORST AREAS FOR TRAFFIC. AND I ACTUALLY WENT THERE TODAY 'CAUSE I WASN'T REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WENT DOWN MEDU. I, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THAT STREET, I WANNA UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THE ROAD BECAUSE I DON'T SEE HOW IT CAN SUPPORT SOMETHING AS DENSE AS 200 PLUS POTENTIALLY UNITS. UH, AND THE ROAD IS PRIVATE. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO ARE MAINTAINING IT RIGHT NOW? WHAT, WHAT COSTS ARE WE GOING TO PUT ONTO THEM TO MAINTAIN IT WHEN IT'S GONNA GET SO MUCH MORE POTENTIAL USAGE? SO I, I THINK THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT MUCH MORE CLOSELY. AND, AND I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND. I WOULD IF THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT SINCE THERE ISN'T, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S ALL GONNA WORK AND SUPPORT IT. SO I AM NOT GONNA SUPPORT, I'M THE ZONING REQUEST BECAUSE AGAIN, WITH 24 47 ZONING IS THE ONLY WAY WE HAVE A VOICE. IF WE GIVE THAT UP. WE JUST GIVE UP OUR ABILITY COMPLETELY TO HAVE A SAY. AND IT ISN'T ABOUT WHETHER THE STAFF IS COMPETENT OR CAPABLE OR WE TRUST THEM OR DON'T TRUST THEM. WE HAVE A JOB. WE WERE HIRED, YOU KNOW, BY YOU, OUR COMMUNITY TO REPRESENT YOU. AND I DON'T WANNA GIVE THAT UP TO, TO STAFF AT ALL. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CAN HAVE AN ABILITY, WE HAVE MORE DISCRETION THAN THE STAFF HAS. THE STAFF MUST FOLLOW LITERALLY WHAT CODE SAYS. WE DO NOT HAVE TO DO THAT. AND SO I, I JUST CAN'T SEE US AT THIS POINT GIVING UP OUR ONLY ABILITY. AND, AND FOR THE PUBLIC'S ONLY ABILITY TO, TO COME AND BE ABLE TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS WITH THE ZONING CHANGE, THEY CAN STILL DO THAT WITHOUT ITS ZONING CHANGE. THEY CAN'T. SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND. CAN YOU MAKE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION? SURE. UM, I MEANT TO SAY THIS WHEN I SPOKE BEFORE, AND I WANNA THANK YOU FOR JOGGING MY MEMORY MAYOR ON THIS. BUT, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE PLACES, AND I'M, I'M REALLY GOING BACK TO THIS 'CAUSE WHY REVISIT THINGS, BUT BECAUSE YOU HAD ASKED, UM, LUKE RIGHT, FOR FEEDBACK OF WHAT SOMETHING COMING FORWARD AGAIN WOULD WANT. AND ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE I JUST FOUND THIS APPLICATION COMPLETELY, UTTERLY LACKING WAS IN TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC MITIGATION AND A, A ROAD SYSTEM THAT WOULD ADDRESS SOMEBODY'S CONCERNS. SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT THAT TO FALL TO THE BACK BURNER. I WANTED TO PUT THAT FRONT AND CENTER AS SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE MIGHT MOVE FORWARD FOR THIS. YOU'VE GOT A PRIVATE ROAD, YOU WITHOUT AGREEMENTS, UM, YOU HAVE A VERY HEAVY INTERSECTION THERE, OR A LACK OF AN INTERSECTION THERE BECAUSE YOU THAT WEIRD JOG WITH, YOU KNOW, NEARBY. UM, SO I THINK THAT THE, I, THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AS A PART OF ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE FOR THAT PROPERTY. I WANTED THE OWNERS TO BE AWARE OF THAT. THAT WAS SOMETHING I THOUGHT WAS COMPLETELY LACKING. OKAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION? AND WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE ONE? DEREK? LET'S MAKE SURE I'M ON THE RIGHT PAGE. UH, PACKET. PAGE 25. HMM. PACKET PAGE 25. YES. YES. UH, I MOVE TO DENY THE PROPOSED ZONING REQUEST AS SET FORTH IN CASE NUMBER PZ 24 DASH 18 ZC TRANQUIL RIGBY MEA ZONE CHANGE BASED ON LACK OF COMPLIANCE WITH ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, INCONSISTENCY WITH THE ZONA SEDONA COMMUNITY PLAN, SOLDIERS PASS CFA PLAN, TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, GO SEDONA PATHWAYS PLAN, CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROVAL AS SPECIFIED IN LDC SECTIONS 8.3 AND 8.6, AND FAILURE TO SATISFY THE ZONE CHANGE FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ACCOMPANYING EXHIBITS WHICH STAFF REPORTED EXHIBITS ARE HEREBY ADOPTED AS THE FINDINGS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. AND I'LL ADD TO THAT THE FOREGOING POINTS RAISED BY OTHER COUNSELORS SHOULD BE INCORPORATED IN INTO THE MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND QUESTION? WELL SECONDED AND THEN YOU CAN A SECOND FIRST. YEAH, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD KURT. IS THAT THAT OKAY? I MEAN THE WHOLE TRAVEL LOG OF THE SEVEN OF US GETS INCORPORATED AS PART OF THE DENIAL. IT'S, IT'S RECORDED, UM, AS PART OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND IT CAN BE USED IF ANYONE WANTED TO PROPOSE SOMETHING SPECIFIC. ALSO, YOU'RE FREE TO, UH, [03:50:01] UM, PROPOSE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO ADD SPECIFIC REASONS AS WELL. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, TO THAT POINT, I WAS SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. SHOULD I ADD THAT IN AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT BASED ON THE LACK OF A TRAFFIC MITIGATION PLAN OR, UH, ROAD DEVELOPMENT? YOU MAY, YES. WOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? YES, I WOULD. THANK YOU. MAY I MAKE A SECOND? ACCEPTS IT. SO TAKE A SECOND TO ACCEPT THAT. THE SECOND ALSO NEEDS TO ACCEPT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. SECOND. OKAY, YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT AS WELL. COUNCILLOR FFE. UM, THAT THIS DOES NOT PROVIDE SUFFICIENT MITIGATION FOR, UH, IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'LL ACCEPT THAT. SO JUST POINT OF ORDER. COUNCILLOR FFE HAS TO ACCEPT ALL SECONDS, UH, UH, UH, CHANGES FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS. YEAH. SO YOU SECONDED. COUNCILOR KINSEL IS FRIENDLY, BUT COUNSELOR FAF IS THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY HAS HE DID. HE DID. I DID. THANK YOU. HE'S JUST, HE MADE, HE MADE THE MOTION. I HEARD BRIAN SAY SECOND. NO, HE JUST SECONDED. SECOND BECAUSE HE WAS RIGHT. HE SAID SECOND. BUT HE'S THE OKAY PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE. WHEN, WHEN , WHEN SOMEBODY IS, UM, AND I SEE PAIN IN THE AUDIENCE, , UH, WHEN THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION AND THE PERSON WHO SECONDED THE MOTION BOTH HAD TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT. THAT'S THE POINT. AND THAT HAPPENED. SO WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ARE YOU READY FOR A VOTE? AND THE MOTION IS TO DENY. SO IF YOU SUPPORT THE MOTION, YOU SAY YES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? THANK YOU, CHARLOTTE. THANK YOU. I THINK YOU ALL SAID YES. IT WAS UNANIMOUS. ? YES. YEAH, THEY SAID YES. AND I, AND I'D LIKE TO ECHO THANK YOU FOR STAYING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS. WE APPRECIATE THE RESPECT THAT YOU GAVE ONE ANOTHER AND YEAH. YEAH, BRIAN, SAME. IT WAS VERY RESPECTFUL, EVERYBODY. I LOVE IT WHEN THEY DO THAT. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE EVERYBODY SCREAMING AND YELLING. AND NOW WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK. GOOD TO SEE YOU, LUKE. AMEN. OKAY, WE'RE NOW ON AB 32 83, [9.b. AB 3283 Discussion/possible action for approval of on-site locations for the emergency siren system.] DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION FOR APPROVAL OF ONSITE LOCATIONS FOR THE EMERGENCY SIREN SYSTEM. CHIEF, MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS. UH, SO TONIGHT I'M JUST GONNA INTRODUCE WHO IS UP HERE TO TALK. SO CHANCE. WELL NICK, OUR, UH, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR, CHRIS ROLLER WITH GENESIS, WHICH IS OUR SIREN COMPANY THAT WE WENT WITH. AND THEN TIM CARTER TO MY RIGHT, THE DIRECTOR FOR COCONINO COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. SO WHAT WE HAVE TONIGHT FOR YOU IS A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE TWO SITES THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING FOR YOUR APPROVAL SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN INSTALL ON A GRANT THAT YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THAT WE RECEIVED THROUGH COCONINO COUNTY AND, UM, WAS IT FEMA OR DEMA? FEMA. FEMA. SO, UM, CHANCE IS GONNA GO OVER JUST BRIEFLY OUR TIMELINE TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE'VE, UM, COME FROM AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY, UH, FOR THE DECISION. AND THEN CHRIS WILL GO THROUGH, UH, A PRESENTATION OF THE SITES. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, SINCE THIS GRANT WAS THROUGH COCONINO COUNTY, BOTH SITE LOCATIONS ARE WITHIN, UH, COCONINO COUNTY FOR OUR PILOT PROGRAM. ALSO, WE SELECTED THOSE BASED ON BEING MORE DENSELY POPULATED FOOT TRAFFIC FOR AN OUTDOOR SIREN TO BE MOST EFFECTIVE. ALL RIGHT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO CHANCE. THANKS, CHIEF. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNCILORS. CHANCELLOR N EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR. YOU'RE LOOKING AT, ON THE SCREEN HERE AND INTO YOUR PACK IS, IS A SHORT TIMELINE WITH SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY WITH THIS SIREN SYSTEM PROJECT. AND IT ALL STARTED WITH THE EVACUATION REENTRY PLAN. THE FOUNDATION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IS OUR PLANS. THESE ARE THE DOCUMENTS THAT GUIDE US DURING DISASTERS AND EMERGENCIES, BUT THESE PLANS REALLY ARE ONLY AS EFFECTIVE AS WE'RE ABLE TO EXECUTE THEM. WHEN WE DEVELOP THESE PLANS. THE END GOAL IS ALWAYS THE OPERATIONALIZATION OF THEM. AND THAT'S REALLY JUST A BIG WORD THAT MEANS WE TRY TO TAKE THE WORDS OFF THE PAGE AND PUT THEM INTO ACTION. WHERE WE ARE TODAY WITH THE SIREN SYSTEM IS ACCOMPLISHING THAT PHILOSOPHY. WHEN THE EVAC AND REENTRY PLAN WAS ESTABLISHED, IT IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS THAT NEED FOR EFFECTIVE ALERT AND WARNING. THROUGH OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH COCONINO COUNTY, THEY WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY FUNDING THAT COULD BE USED TO PROCURE A SIREN SYSTEM. AND SO BY PARTNERING WITH THEM, THE CITY AND COUNTY WERE ABLE TO SELECT A VENDOR AND THEN PERFORM THE ONSITE TESTS THAT OCCURRED IN OCTOBER. AS CHIEF WAS SAYING, IN THOSE HIGHLY DENSELY POPULATED AREAS, HEAVY FOOT TRAFFIC AREAS OF UPTOWN WITH POSITIVE RESULTS FROM THE TESTING WE ARRIVE WHERE WE ARE TODAY, [03:55:01] OPERATIONALIZING THOSE PORTIONS OF THE PLAN AND PUTTING THE, UH, BRINGING THE SIREN SYSTEM TO LIFE, ESSENTIALLY PENDING YOUR APPROVAL OF THE LOCATIONS ALONG THE WAY. THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK DONE TO SUPPORT THE PLAN, EMPOWER THE PUBLIC, AND ENHANCE OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT EFFORTS. WE LEANED HEAVILY INTO THE READY, SET GO CAMPAIGN FOR EVACUATION NOTICES, PUBLICIZE THE EVACUATION ZONES, TRANSLATED THE PLAN INTO SPANISH, AND THEN FINALLY HIRED AN EM COORDINATOR TO COORDINATE THESE EFFORTS AND MAKE SURE THEY WERE EXECUTED. AND WITH THAT QUICK SYNOPSIS, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE CHRIS ROLLER, WHO'S GOING TO TAKE OVER AND GO MORE IN DEPTH ON THE SIREN SYSTEM PROJECT IN THE ONSITE LOCATIONS. THANK YOU FOR COMING AND SITTING THROUGH OUR LONG MEETING . UH, GOOD EVENING. I, I APPRECIATE, UH, EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE. UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND, UH, I WOULD, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP A LOT OF TIME, SO WHAT I WILL DO IS JUST KIND OF GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF GENESIS AND OUR PRODUCTS. UM, LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I GOT THE SLIDE. THERE WE GO. SO FOR GENESIS, UM, I'LL GO OVER OUR PRODUCT OVERVIEW, UM, THE SITE LOCATIONS, HOW WE DERIVED ON THE, ON THE SITES, AND ALSO OUR TEST DEMONSTRATION IN OCTOBER. AND THEN THE PROPOSED SOLUTION FOR, UM, UH, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO. SO JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON GENESIS VERY QUICKLY IS, UM, WE'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE THE EIGHTIES, BUT WE REALLY GOT OUR NAME RECOGNITION FOR SELLING LONG RANGE ACOUSTIC DEVICES, WHICH IS A VERY CLEAR, CRYSTAL CLEAR VOICE AND, UM, A TONE TYPE OF DEVICE THAT CAN BE DIRECTIONAL. AND THAT WAS IN 2003. AND THEN WE CREATED, UH, IN, UM, AN OMNIDIRECTIONAL WITH A CAPABILITY TO BE REMOTELY OPERATED AND CONTROLLED THROUGH SOFTWARE, UM, THROUGH A MOBILE APP AND THROUGH, UM, THE, A COMPUTER TO BE ABLE TO ACTIVATE SPEAKERS USING BOTH VOICE AND TONES, UM, PROVIDING DIFFERENT LANGUAGES AND ALSO INSTRUCTIONS TO NOTIFY THE OUTDOOR. SO WE TYPICALLY CALL IT A SIREN BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE KNOW, BUT IT HAS SO MUCH MORE CAPABILITY TO PROVIDE, UM, COMMUNICATION, UM, FOR ANY TYPE OF DISASTER OR AN EVENT. AND THEN IN, UH, 2021, UH, LATER, WE ALSO DEVELOPED THE SOFTWARE CAPABILITY JUST TO DO SMS AND ALERTS TO YOUR PHONE. UM, TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN OVERALL OVERVIEW IS OUR COMPANY HAS BEEN IN THE PROTECTIVE COMMUNICATIONS FOR A LONG TIME, AND THE IDEA IS TO BE VERY SCALABLE. SO IT'S NOT JUST ONE TOOL TO NOTIFY, IT'S MULTIPLE TOOLS THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE, UH, COMMUNICATION TO THE SYSTEMS. SO CURRENTLY TODAY'S, UH, PLATFORM, WE HAVE OUR OUTDOOR ACOUSTICS OR SIRENS. UH, WE HAVE THE ALERT PLATFORM, UH, ZONE EVAC, UH, EVACUATION, AND THEN ALSO AN EVER TELL A SECURE, UM, NOTIFICATION THAT YOU CAN COMMUNICATE THROUGH THE CELL PHONES. WE DO PLAN ON EXPANDING AND BEING MORE SCALABLE, UH, WITH OUR PRODUCTS, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SO HOW WE CAME, UH, APPROACH THIS PROJECT IS WE DID, UM, THE DESIGN PHASE, UM, LOOKING AT THE, UH, AREA THAT WE WANTED TO GET COVERED AND A LOT OF, UH, SUPPORT AND HELP FROM BOTH, UH, THE COUNTY AND THE CITY. UM, WE IDENTIFIED DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. WE DID AN ACOUSTICAL SOUND MAP THAT PROVIDES WHERE THE SOUND IS GONNA GO. AND THEN WE ENDED UP DOING A, A TEST THAT'S PART OF THE DESIGN. WHEN WE DO THE HARDWARE, WE DESIGNED THE HARDWARE, THE SCOPE OF WORK, WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THE SPEAKERS, WHAT ARE THE LOUD SPEAKERS THAT WE CAN USE, WHERE WE CAN INSTALL 'EM IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON A POLE OR ON A BUILDING. AND THEN WE ALSO WANT TO INTEGRATE ON THE SOFTWARE, UM, HOW DO WE ACTIVATE IT, WHAT KIND OF MESSAGES WE WANT TO PUT INTO THAT. AND YOU CAN ALSO ACTIVATE IT FROM A MOBILE APP, UM, TO TURN THAT ON, TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TIME TO NOTIFY. UM, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THESE ARE SOME OF THE PICTURES, UH, ONE OF HOW WE PLAN ON IMPLEMENTING THE SYSTEMS ON THE, UM, USING ROOFTOPS INSTEAD OF MAYBE POLES BECAUSE THAT WOULD PRO PROVIDE A LOWER IMPACT ON THE AREA. AND THEN IN OCTOBER, WE BROUGHT OUR SIREN TRAILER OUT AND WE DID, UH, SOME TESTING. UM, AND BASICALLY WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK A LOOK AT ALL OF THE POSSIBLE LOCATIONS, UM, MOSTLY TRYING TO LOOK AT CITY OWNED, THE DENSE POPULATION. AND YOU CAN SEE WE COLOR CODED THEM TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS THE BEST AREA, UM, GREEN BEING A HUNDRED PERCENT WE RECOMMEND TO MOVE FORWARD. YELLOW IS A VERY GOOD LO UH, ACOUSTIC LOCATION AND KIND OF IDENTIFIED IT AS A GOOD LOCATION. AND THEN RED, WE ELIMINATED IT AND WE ELIMINATED 'EM FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. EITHER IT WAS A REDUNDANT COVERAGE, IT HAD, UH, POOR ACOUSTICAL COVERAGE, LIKE IT WAS DOWN IN A VALLEY, OR IT WAS BLOCKED BY BUILDINGS. UM, WE, WE SENSE THAT THERE WAS A PERMIT RESTRICTION, UM, THAT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO GET IT [04:00:01] OR AN INSTALLATION CHALLENGE WHERE, UM, MAYBE IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY OR NOT THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE THAT TO DO OR GET A, UM, AN EASEMENT, UH, MAYBE THAT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH INFRASTRUCTURE OR WE'D HAVE TO PUT A POLE, UM, WHICH CAN ALSO, UH, BE AN IMPACT OR MAYBE THAT SOME OF THE OTHER SITES, UM, WOULD BE LIKE EITHER TORN DOWN OR REBUILT OR SOMETHING. SO, SO THE LONG STORY SHORT IS OUT OF 15, WE NARROWED IT DOWN FROM 15 SITES TO MAIN TWO MAIN SITES. ONE IS THE FOUR 30 FOREST ROAD PARKING GARAGE AND THE 2 21 BREWER ROAD. UM, AND HERE'S JUST A A AN EXAMPLE OF THE ACOUSTIC COVERAGE AT THE PARKING GARAGE. UM, THERE'S DIFFERENT COLORS ON, UH, SHOWING THAT THE DIFFERENT, UH, SOUND DB LEVEL, UH, AND UM, BASICALLY RED IS REALLY GOOD. THAT'S, IT'S GONNA BE VERY LOUD AND WHEN YOU GET ALL THE WAY TO THE GREEN, YOU'RE GONNA BE HEARING IT ABOUT MY VOICE RIGHT NOW AT ITS SPEAKER LEVEL. SO YOU'RE GONNA GET A VERY GOOD COVERAGE. UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS, UH, SINCE IT'S OUTDOORS, ALL OF THAT IS GONNA BE, UH, AN IMPACT ON IT. UM, BY PUTTING IT IN THE GARAGE, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SHOOT SOME MORE COVERAGE, UM, TO THE NORTH AND ALSO, UH, TO, TO THE, UM, TO THE EAST. UM, ON THE 2 21 BREWER ROAD, UM, THAT IS GONNA BE AN OMNIDIRECTIONAL, UH, SPEAKER. AND YOU CAN, UH, SEE THE, THE COVERAGE ON THAT. SO IF WE ADD THEM TOGETHER, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE COVERAGE THAT YOU'LL GET SOME OVERLAP AND, UM, AND THAT THAT COVERS, UH, THE AREA VERY WELL. AND, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THESE TWO SITES, UM, ARE THE PROPER, UM, SITES COMBINED THAT WILL GET THE BEST COVERAGE. DO YOU MIND IF WE ASK QUESTIONS AS WE GO? UM, IF, COULD WE JUST FINISH UP ON THIS IF THAT'S OKAY? AND THEN, 'CAUSE I'M ALMOST, UH, AT THE, AT THE STAGE AND THEN WE COULD ASK THE QUESTIONS. IS THAT, IS THAT OKAY? OKAY. UM, SO FROM THE RECOMMENDATION DETAILS, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THE, UM, THE PARKING GARAGE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW SO THAT IT WOULD EASILY ACCOMMODATE, UH, A SPEAKER LOCATION IN, IN THE BACK AREA. AND THEN ALSO USING THE, UH, 2 21 BREWER ROAD, WE CAN, UM, KIND OF SNEAK IT IN UNDERNEATH THE PARAPET WALL, UM, UP ON THE ROOF AND IT HAS A NICE HEIGHT AND ALSO, UM, KIND OF GIVES IT A LOW PROFILE ON THE SYSTEM. UM, SO GIVING AN IDEA OF THE 2 21 BREWER ROAD LOCATION. UM, WE TOOK SOME PICTURES, WE WENT UP ON THE ROOF. UM, WE HAVE SOME IDEAS OF WHEN YOU'RE FACING SOUTH, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, UH, IT'S KIND OF TOUGH, BUT YOU CAN SEE A PERSON STANDING THERE. SO IT JUST BE STICKING OUT OVER THAT. AND THEN WE CAN FOLLOW SOME OF THE, UM, EXISTING, UM, CONDUIT THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE. SO IT WOULD BE A VERY LOW IMPACT ON THE, UM, CHANGES TO THE, TO THE BUILDING. AND THEN RIGHT BELOW IT IS, UM, AN IT ROOM WHERE WE COULD PUT OUR CABINET AND ALSO GET THE POWER AND EVERYTHING WE NEED FOR THE SITE. AND THEN AT THE FOREST ROAD PARKING GARAGE, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, I BELIEVE IT'S THE NORTHEAST BACK CORNER. UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY, UH, WE'RE, UM, THERE'S A, A, A SPECIFIC LOCATION. THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY, UM, OBSTRUCTIONS IN THAT AREA. IN FACT, I THINK THAT THERE'S A, A GRATE GOING OVER ON THE TOP FLOOR TO COVER SOME DUCTS. AND SO WE CAN JUST TIE IT RIGHT INTO THE, UM, ONTO, ONTO THE WALL. AND THEY'RE, UH, AND SINCE WE'RE EARLY STAGES, THEY CAN REINFORCE THE WALL TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE SPEAKER WILL BE ABLE TO GET INSTALLED THERE. WE DON'T REALLY NEED THE REINFORCEMENT, BUT THEY THOUGHT FOR, UM, THEY'RE GONNA DO SOME WIND CALCULATIONS AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT, UM, IT'S STRONG ENOUGH TO PUT ANYTHING THAT WE NEED, UM, ON THAT BACK CORNER OF THE WALL UP ON THE ROOF. SO, UM, ON OCTOBER 29TH, WE HAD OUR TEST RESULTS. UH, WE PLAYED THE, THE SPEAKERS IN BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH. AND, UM, SO WE BROUGHT OUT, UH, OUR LARGEST SYSTEM AND WE DID THE TEST AT BOTH OF THOSE LOCATIONS AND IT, UM, PROVIDED WHAT WE THOUGHT, UM, FROM AN ACOUSTIC COVERAGE. UM, AND IN FACT WE EVEN HAD SOME MORE TIME. SO WE WENT UP TO THOMPSON TRAIL AND THIS WOULD, UM, AS AN OPTIONAL THIRD SITE IF POSSIBLE. AND WE HAD AN OBSERVER STAND 800 METERS AWAY. YOU CAN SEE THE YELLOW CIRCLE. THE OBSERVER IS, UH, UM, BASICALLY HALF A MILE AWAY. AND, UM, THEY RADIOED BACK AND FORTH WHEN WE DID THE TEST AND HE SAID THAT, UH, HE COULD HEAR IT LOUD AND CLEAR. SO IT WAS ANOTHER INDICATION THAT IT'S DID WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD DO FOR THE, FOR THE SPEAKER LOCATION. UM, SO WE ALSO HAD OTHER PEOPLE PROVIDE SURVEY RESULTS. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, EVERY, UM, THERE'S BLUE, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY'RE OUTSIDE. RED [04:05:01] MEANS THEY'RE INSIDE, AND IF THERE'S A BLACK.IN IT MEANS THAT THEY HEARD THE SYSTEM. UM, THERE ARE SOME LOCATIONS, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER EIGHT, THEY WERE OUTSIDE OF OUR TARGET AREA, SO THEY WEREN'T GONNA HEAR THE SYSTEM. UM, SO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WE THOUGHT WERE GONNA HEAR THE SYSTEM, UM, AND THEY WERE STANDING OUTSIDE, THAT'S WHAT IT'S DESIGNED FOR. UM, PRETTY MUCH DID HEAR THE SYSTEM AND SOME PEOPLE INSIDE ACTUALLY HEARD THE SYSTEM. SO, UM, 81% OF THE RESIDENTS SURVEYED WITHIN THE PREDICTED RANGE HEARD THE TEST. UM, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON IT, UM, THIS IS, UH, JUST THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT WE PROVIDED, UH, UM, FROM, FROM THE TEST. SO IT WAS A, IT WAS ONLY A SINGLE SYSTEM. UM, SO WHEN WE DID IT, WE HAD TO MOVE THIS, UH, SPEAKER. WHEN YOU PUT MORE TOGETHER, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BETTER COVERAGE AND YOU'RE GONNA GET MORE RESULTS, UM, FROM THAT. BUT SINCE WE HAD TO MOVE IT AND DO THE TEST THREE DIFFERENT TIMES, UM, WE WEREN'T SUR THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH THE OBSERVERS. UH, THEY MADE SOME COMMENTS. SO, UM, SOME WAS, I DIDN'T HEAR IT, BUT IT WASN'T DURING THE TEST THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY, IT WAS THE FIRST TEST IN THE MORNING, NOT AT THE TEST IN THE AFTERNOON. SO, UH, WE DID OUR BEST TO KIND OF IDENTIFY THE RESULTS, BUT IT WAS WHAT WE PREDICTED. UM, SO IN KIND OF OUR PROPOSED SITE LOCATIONS, UM, IN CONCLUSION OF THAT, THE FEMA GRANT COVERS THE TWO SITES, UM, WHICH ARE THE RECOMMENDED 2 21 BREWER AND THE GARAGE PARKING GARAGE. AND IF WE WANTED TO ADD THE THIRD SITE, UM, THERE IS A, UM, WE COULD ADD THAT THOMPSON TRAIL, UM, SITE. AND THERE IS A COST SAVINGS IF, UH, WE PUT 'EM ALL BUNDLE ALL TOGETHER, BUT THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE GRANT. SO IF WE LOOK INTO THAT ALTERNATE SITE, WE LOOKED AT THE, UM, WATER TANK, UH, TOWER, AND, UH, THERE WE DID THE, UH, SITE SURVEY AND THE INSTALLER. UM, WE HAVE A GOOD SCOPE OF WORK FOR PUTTING THAT SYSTEM IN THERE. AND WE ALSO TALKED TO, UM, WAS IT ARIZONA WATER? ARIZONA? ARIZONA WATER. SO WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP ON HOW WE WANTED TO, UM, PUT THE, THE EQUIPMENT ON THAT SITE. AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S CONCLUDES MY, UM, PRESENTATION. I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS, UH, AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU FOR WAITING. YEAH, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, YOU, IF YOU WANNA GO TO PAGE 22, THAT'LL DO THE TRE, UH, 22 MM-HMM . WE DON'T HAVE A, OH YEAH, THIS ONE. OKAY. SO YOU CAN'T COME UP WITH A WAY WITH JUST USING TWO OF THESE SITES TO COVER THAT NORTH NORTHWEST LITTLE PIECE OF THE CITY. YEAH, THE, UM, SO WE, WE LOOKED AT, WE USED OUR LARGEST UNITS AND, UM, WE TRIED TO GET THE BEST COVERAGE THAT WE CAN. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO THROW THE SOUND, UM, TO THE NORTH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND THERE IS GONNA BE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A GAP RIGHT THERE. AND, AND IT, WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS, WE CAN GET SOME COVERAGE OVER THERE, BUT THERE IS GONNA BE A GAP. I, I, I, I BELIEVE SO. AND WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT TO BE LIKE THE MOST VULNERABLE. YEAH. CAN I TAG ONTO THAT AND ASK A QUESTION? YOU CAN TAG ON COUNCILOR PETE. YEAH, THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING AT SLIDE EIGHT. IF YOU CAN GO TO YOUR SLIDE EIGHT. SO THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS REALLY IN MY MIND. FIRST, AND I RIGHT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE EXPERTS. MM-HMM . I'M A FORMER ENGINEER, SO I'M JUST GONNA ASK THAT A QUESTION AND YOU CAN JUST TELL ME. BUT, UM, YOU DID YOUR COVERAGE WITH YOUR MOBILE UNIT, THESE THINGS ARE GONNA GO ON TOP OF BUILDINGS, BE A LITTLE HIGHER THAN YOU WERE. HAVE YOU CORRECTED YOUR PREDICTIONS OR? I, I WOULD THINK THAT THE HIGHER UP THE FURTHER THEY GO. SO IS IT POTENTIALLY BETTER THAN YOUR TEST DATA SHOWED? UM, YEAH. JUST TO VERIFY, SO THE TRAILER THAT WE BROUGHT OUT, IT GOES UP 30 FEET IN THE AIR, 30 FEET IN THE AIR, 30 FEET UP IN THE AIR. SO WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE NOW. UM, THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OF FACTORS. YOU KNOW, THE, UM, DURING, THERE WAS A LOT OF NOISE BEING DONE AT THE PARKING GARAGE WHEN WE DID THE SITE AT THE, AND WE ALSO PULLED THAT UNIT BACK. IT WAS ACTUALLY AT THE, UM, FIRE STATION, SO IT WASN'T 'CAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION SITE. SO WE ARE GONNA PICK UP A LITTLE BIT MORE BY GOING NORTH. BUT THERE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACOUSTIC MODELING. OKAY. AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION ON THIS CHART, AND I THINK YOU SAID SOMETHING, UH, BUT I'M, YOU KNOW, OMNIDIRECTIONAL, THERE'S A NICE CIRCLE ON ONE OF 'EM AND A WEIRD SHAPE ON THE OTHER. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND ? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. UH, SO THE WEIRD CIRCLE, AND IT'S, IT'S VERY HARD TO KIND OF DETERMINE THAT. SO THE OMNIDIRECTIONAL, AND YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS THE, UM, TRAILER THAT WE BROUGHT OUT THAT GOES UP 30 FEET. AND SO THE PICTURE ON THE FAR LEFT IS THE KIND OF LIKE, UM, UFO STACKS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. HAMBURGER STACKS, THE SOUND COMES OUT IN 360 [04:10:01] DEGREE COVERAGE. SO IT COMES OUT IN BETWEEN THOSE GAPS. THAT'S WHERE THE SOUND COMES. NOW, WE CAN GET A BETTER COVERAGE IF WE USE THOSE 60 DEGREE HORNS AND WE CAN GET, SO EIGHT OF THOSE 60 DEGREE HORNS IS THE SAME POWER POWER COMING OUT OF THE 360, BUT IT'S COMING IN 360. SO WHEN I USE THE EIGHT HORNS, I COULD THROW THE SOUND MORE DIRECTIONAL. AND SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING THIS, UM, USING THE 60 DEGREE HORNS IN THIS BLUE TYPE OF THING. I CAN PUSH THE SOUND MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST. AND SO BACK ON EIGHT THERE, JUST WHILE YOU'RE SAYING THAT, WOULD YOU MIND IF I JUST SAY ONE THING? SURE. SO THIS IS TO, TO BE USED IN COORDINATION WITH OUR OTHER ALERT SYSTEMS AND MESSAGING. SO WE WILL STILL USE NIXLE AND OR ANY OTHER EMERGENCY, UM, SYSTEM ALERTING, WHICH WOULD GO THROUGH LIKE, YOU KNOW, EMAILS, CELL PHONES, TEXT MESSAGES. SO THIS ISN'T MEANT TO BE THE EVERYTHING FIT, LIKE WE SAID, THIS IS MORE FOR THE DENSE POPULATION OF FOOT TRAFFIC THAT WOULDN'T MAYBE BE SIGNED UP FOR OUR NIXLE BECAUSE THEY'RE VISITORS. SO THAT AREA THAT YOU IDENTIFIED VICE MAYOR, UM, THAT IS MORE RESIDENTIAL AND YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WOULD HIT MORE OF OUR MESSAGING. THE REASON WE HAVE THAT THIRD ON THERE IS JUST TO SHOW TO ACHIEVE THAT WE WOULD NEED A THIRD SIREN. I ACTUALLY PUSHED VERY HARD ON CHRIS AS WELL TO TRY AND THROW IN MORE FOR THAT SIREN, CREATE ANOTHER STACK, ADD MORE THAT WOULD STILL BE WITHIN THE GRANT FUNDING AND IT JUST WASN'T POSSIBLE. SO WE STILL TESTED THAT AREA JUST TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD BE SO THAT IF AT A LATER TIME WE WANTED TO GO BACK AND DO THAT, WE HAD THAT POSSIBILITY. BUT THIS IS MEANT TO BE IN COORDINATION WITH ALL OTHER MESSAGINGS THAT WE'RE STILL GONNA USE. GOOD. YEAH. THANKS CHIEF. OKAY, SO THE LAST QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK WAS, OKAY, SO I GET IT, WE DID THE, SOME SHAPING THING ON THE, THE BLUE SHAPE MM-HMM . BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE PUSHED IT NORTHEAST. COULDN'T YOU JUST SORT OF ARRANGE IT TO PUSH IT MORE NORTHWEST? AND, UH, AND WE, WE CERTAINLY CAN, WE CAN DIRECT IT THAT WAY. UM, THE, AND, AND THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A GRADUAL SLOPE, UH, GOING UP, WHICH COULD BE BENEFICIAL OR NOT. UM, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF JUST POINT OUT THAT THIS WAS, UM, THE SOUND FROM THE PARKING GARAGE FROM THE TEST. SO, UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT GAP THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A GAP. NOW WHEN WE ADD THOSE 60 DEGREE HORNS, WE CAN PICK IT UP, BUT, UM, I JUST WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH YOU THAT THERE IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A GAP THAT IT'S NOT GONNA PERFECTLY COVER THAT, THAT AREA, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TRYING TO GET THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. MM-HMM . ONE IS, IS THE, ON, ON THIS SLIDE WHERE YOU SHOWED THE 30 FOOT AND THEN ON THE LEFT YOU HAD THE STACKS. THIS ONE, WHAT IS IT ACTUALLY GONNA LOOK LIKE? UM, YES, WHAT WE'RE GETTING. YEAH, SO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA, WHAT WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. UM, THE ONE AT, UH, 2 21 BREWER IS GONNA LOOK LIKE THE UFO STACK RIGHT THERE ON THE TOP LEFT. AND THEN THE ONE ON THE PARKING GARAGE IS GONNA LOOK VERY SIMILAR WITH THE, IT'S GONNA BE EIGHT 60 DEGREE HORNS, SO 4, 6 4 HORNS STACKED, POINTING NORTH, AND FOUR POINTING NORTHEAST. AND THEY'RE GONNA BE LOW PROFILE. AND WE CAN ALSO, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE WILL, UM, TRY TO ADHERE TO AS CLOSE TO THE COLOR AS THE, UM, TO THE BUILDING OR TO THE AESTHETICS, UH, WHATEVER THE COLOR THAT'S, SO WE HAD GIVEN COLOR SWATCHES THAT MEET OUR, OUR CODE TO, TO FALL WITHIN. SO, UM, WE HAD ALREADY GIVEN THOSE, THEY'RE WORKING ON GETTING THAT, UM, COLOR COMBINATION. SO EITHER BE, UM, I GUESS DEPENDS ON HOW YOU SAY THAT GREEN KIND OF, UM, DESERT COLOR OR THE, UM, LIKE YOUR WATER BOTTLE OR IT WOULD BE THAT, UM, MAROON PINK KIND OF DESERT COLOR. SO THAT WAY IT GOES WITH, AND IT DOESN'T PULL FROM THE VIEWS AS WELL, BY BEING THIS WHITE OR CONCRETE COLOR. HOW HIGH IS THE ONE ON THE PARKING GARAGE? UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST GONNA STICK OVER THE, UH, PARA PITT WALL. SO YOU OH, SO NOT IT'S GONNA BE A VERY, YEAH, IT'S BOTH OF THESE ARE JUST, UH, UM, STICKING OVER THE PARA PIT WALL JUST ENOUGH, A COUPLE FEET, UH, TO KEEP IT A LOW PROFILE AND AESTHETIC, AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. THANK YOU. SO MY OTHER QUESTION IS FOR THE ONE ON BREWER ROAD, WILL THAT GO AS FAR AS THE PALISADES, THE FAR PALISADES? SO CAN YOU GO TO THAT ONE? SO AGAIN, JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IS THAT THIS IS FOR OUTDOOR, NOT INDOOR MM-HMM . UM, IT WOULD STILL BE FOR THE, THE NIXLE TO UTILIZE WHEN YOU'RE INDOOR AND FOR ALL OTHERS, BUT, UM, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE WHERE THE PALISADES ARE FROM THERE. NO, THAT'S WHY I ASKED. UM, WE COULD TRY AND GET A DIFFERENT MAP THAT OVERLAYS THIS AND, AND SHOW, UM, LATER. UM, BUT AGAIN, THE PRIMARY [04:15:01] ZONES WERE AROUND IN THE FOOT TYPE OF TRAFFIC OF TILLOCK LOS ABOGADOS, UM, THAT AREA. AND SAME WITH UPTOWN, YOU KNOW, THEIR BREWER ROAD IS THIS NARROW ROAD AND IT'S A LONG ROAD AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE TOP OF IT AND THE PALISADES UP THERE ARE A LONG WAY FROM BEING ABLE TO EVACUATE. JUST LIKE SA HILLS IS A LONG WAY FROM BEING ABLE TO EVACUATE. SO THE EARLIEST WARNING, EVEN IF IT'S A LOUD BLASTING SIREN, I THINK WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IN THESE VULNERABLE AREAS WHERE THE ROADS ARE VERY, VERY NARROW AND THEY, IF THEY HAD TO EVACUATE THE TRAFFIC JUST TO GET OUT OF THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY DIFFICULT. WELL, WE CAN EXTEND THE AREA, BUT THAT INVOLVES ADDING ADDITIONAL SIRENS ON TOP OF THE ONES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE THAT GO FURTHER DISTANCE. AND THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE THE GRANT. SO THERE ARE OPTIONS IF WE WANTED TO EXTEND THE ZONES, BUT THAT WOULD EXCEED WHAT WE'RE ALLOWABLE. GRANT. SO ARE WE RIGHT NOW UP TO THE MAXIMUM OF WHAT'S ALLOCATED? SO IT WOULD BE CITY MONEY? CORRECT. OKAY. SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, KATHY? YES. THANK YOU. UM, SO IN THE PACKET, UH, IT SAID THAT THE CITY OF SEDONA WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY YEAR AFTER THE FIRST YEAR. 'CAUSE THE FIRST YEAR HAS THE, UH, SOFTWARE ON THE SATELLITE COSTS INCLUDED FOR AN ESTIMATED ANNUAL COST OF $10,000. AND I, IS THAT, FIRST OF ALL, IS THAT 10,000 FOR BOTH OF THOSE SITES OR PER SITE? NO, NO. TO TOGETHER FOR BOTH. AND ARE THERE OTHER COSTS IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE THAT THESE WOULD REQUIRE GOING ON INTO THE FUTURE THAT ARE OTHER COSTS THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING? MM-HMM . UM, SO THE, THE SYSTEM WILL HAVE A BATTERY BACKUP, UH, SOLUTION WITH IT. UM, SO THERE ARE BASICALLY, UH, THREE, UH, BASICALLY MARINE CAR, CAR BATTERIES. MM-HMM . UH, SO AFTER THREE TO FIVE YEARS YOU PROBABLY WANT TO REPLACE THOSE BATTERIES. UM, WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN 'EM GO LONGER THAN FIVE, BUT, UH, JUST FROM A SERVICE OR MAINTENANCE AND THEIR AVERAGE COST WOULD BE, UM, IT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO A CAR BATTERY. SO, UH, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE COST. EXPENSIVE. I'LL LET, UM, TIM, SINCE IN FLAGSTAFF THEY HAVE MANY SIRENS, SO, OKAY. YEAH, WE'VE, GOOD EVENING. WE'VE HAD TO REPLACE A COUPLE IN ANOTHER SYSTEM AND THE, THE BATTERIES ARE TWO, 300 BUCKS SOMEWHERE IN THERE. THEY'RE, THEY'RE REASONABLE, SO. OKAY. UM, OKAY. AND WHAT'S THE, THE, THE DURABILITY ON THESE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WEATHER IN TERMS OF, UM, MALFEASANCE? ? OKAY. UH, SO THE, THESE SYSTEMS ARE DESIGNED, I MEAN, SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE BUILD LIKE BASICALLY A MILITARY GRADE TYPE OF SYSTEM. THEY'RE DESIGNED TO BE OUT ON NAVY SHIPS LIKE THE LRADS ARE. SO THESE UNITS ARE DESIGNED TO BE OUTDOORS. UM, THEY, THEY HAVE A GOOD COMPOSITE, UH, COM MATERIAL. THE CABINETS ARE DESIGNED, THEY'RE A NEMA FOUR X CABINET, UH, FOR OUTDOOR, UM, ENVIRONMENTS. UM, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN INSTALLED IN SAUDI ARABIA AND TO JAPAN, UH, THAILAND, UH, ALASKA, UM, DOWN IN PUERTO RICO. SO THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOWN FOR THE MARINE ENVIRONMENTS. THEY HAVE AN AVERAGE SHELF LIFE OF A GOOD 10 TO 20 YEARS. UM, AND, UH, SO THEY'LL LAST, UH, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S, UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST THING HERE IS PROBABLY SOME SUN, RIGHT? SO, UM, AND THEN OF COURSE WE'VE, WE WILL HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAINTENANCE ON THE SYSTEM AND THE THIRD SITE, UH, THE THOMPSON TRAIL. DID YOU ACTUALLY TEST AT THAT SITE AS WELL WITH YOUR 30 FOOT? WE DID. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE COVERAGE INCLUDES THAT THE, THE LAST ONE, THE, THE LAST SLIDE, THE VERY LAST YEAR. SLIDE 22 I THINK. YEAH. 22, YEAH, 22. IT'S ON THE, UM, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. IT SAYS THREE SITES. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S THE, THE PREDICT COVERAGE PREDICTION AND ADDING THAT THIRD SITE PRECEDING THAT SLIDE IS, I THINK IT'S JUST A, THANK YOU. I HAD IT AS A BACKUP SLIDE. YEAH. UM, THAT'S OKAY. THE, THERE'S THE, WHERE DID IT GO? LEMME FIND THIS. SORRY, I JUST WANNA FIND MY QUESTION HERE. YES. IT'S YOUR SLIDE 23. IT'S THE ONE PRECEDING, SO THE FEMA GRANT COVERS THE TWO, THE ADDITIONAL SITE IS NORMALLY 170 IF PURCHASE NOW 120 MM-HMM . SO 50,000. BUT THAT HAS TO BE TO LIKE, IS THAT TONIGHT ONLY, YOU KNOW, , GET YOUR GINZO KNIVES. UM, . YEAH, THAT'S FAIR, FAIR, FAIR QUESTION. UM, THE SAVINGS IS THE BUNDLE OF DOING ALL THE INSTALL TOGETHER. SO, UH, IT SAVES ON THE MOBILIZATION, [04:20:01] IT SAVES ON WHAT THE EQUIPMENT WE'RE BUYING, PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER ON THAT, LINKING 'EM ALL TOGETHER. BUT IF THERE WERE A DECISION TONIGHT, BECAUSE FOR THE TWO, BECAUSE THEY'RE COVERED BY THE GRANT, AND THEN THERE WAS A DECISION FOLLOWING A, YOU KNOW, BUDGET PARTY SESSION, UH, YOU KNOW, TO GO FOR A THIRD OR SOMETHING, AND THAT ORDER CAME INTO YOU IN A TIMEFRAME, WOULD THAT SAVINGS STILL APPLY? YES. UH, THE AND WHAT TIMEFRAME IS THAT? UM, SO I BELIEVE THE FEMA GRANT ENDS AT, UM, JUNE 30TH. YEAH. THE, THE MONEY EXPIRES JUNE 30TH, 2026. WE CAN GET IT, UH, ON AMENDMENT IF WE'RE JUST WA OR AN EXTENSION IF WE'RE JUST WAITING ON FEMA TO GIVE US SOME MM-HMM . UH, INFORMATION BACK, LIKE FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF. BUT, UM, ROUGHLY JUNE 30 IS A, A PRETTY GOOD SOLID DATE RIGHT. TO SHOOT FOR. SO IF WE WERE TO BACK THAT UP, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO DO THE INSTALL IN PROBABLY MAY OR, YOU KNOW, UH, SO, SO THE TIMEFRAME, AND IT TAKES US, UH, SOMEWHERE AROUND 12 TO 14 WEEKS TO, TO BUILD A PRODUCT. UM, SO IF WE JUST KEEP ADDING IT UP SO THE SOONER THE BETTER . OKAY. BUT, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY ON THE TIMING FOR YOU. THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR KURT, WHICH IS, SINCE THIS WAS AGENDIZED FOR THE TWO, UM, FOR THE GRANT, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO ACT ON A THIRD TONIGHT IF WE SO WANTED TO? YES, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S REASONABLY RELATED AND IT'S ALREADY AGENDIZED. IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT LIMITED TO YOU DO AS MANY MORE AS YOU'D WANTED TO. THANK YOU. AND THE LAST QUESTION I, I HAVE YOU, YOU SORT OF ANSWERED BEFORE, BUT I JUST WANNA BE REASSURED ON IT. PLEASE. IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE DEPICTION OF THE GARAGE AND WHERE, IF YOU COULD POINT OUT, 'CAUSE IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SEE. IT'S SMALL ON MY SCREEN FOR SOME REASON. YEAH. THIS ONE IS, IS THAT IT OVER THERE? 'CAUSE THAT LOOKS BIG ON THE MM-HMM. OH, UH, YEAH. THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE BEST PICTURE OF, IS THAT NOT TO SCALE ONE? YEAH, IT'S NOT TO SCALE. NO, IT'S NOT TO SCALE. THIS IS A, A RENDERING. UM, BUT IF YOU, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD PARKING SPACE. SO PROBABLY 12 TO 14 FEET. MM-HMM . UM, SO THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA TAKE UP MAYBE TWO, TWO FEET. UM, THE CABINET WILL, WILL PROBABLY TAKE UP, YOU KNOW, THE CABINET'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, HALF THE SIZE OF THIS TABLE. UM, AND THE SPEAKERS ARE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS HIGH. SO, SO THESE ARE GENERALLY LESS INTRUSIVE THAN A CELL PHONE MOUNT ON A BUILDING? OH, YEAH. YEAH. IT'S, UH, IT'S PRETTY OKAY. PEOPLE WON'T REALLY RECOGNIZE IT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S ON THE BACK, UM, BACK END OF THE OKAY. OF THE PARKING GARAGE. OKAY. ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CHARLOTTE? THIS, THIS KIND OF GOES TO SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID EARLIER AND I'M LOOKING AT YOUR PICTURE. WHAT'S, HOW ARE THESE SECURED SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IN A PARKING GARAGE, UM, AT THE TOP LAYER WHERE PEOPLE ARE PARKING, SORT OF DAMAGING THEM OR MAKING THEM A PRETTY ORANGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UH, OKAY. FAIR. UH, FAIR QUESTION. THE 2 21 BREWER, I, THE, THERE ISN'T REALLY ACCESS TO THAT, UM, ROOFTOP, SO THAT'S NOT A CONCERN ON THE PARKING GARAGE. UM, ALL THE CABINETS DO HAVE, UH, A LOCK HASP AND THEY HAVE A, SO THEY HAVE A LOCKABLE ENCLOSURE, SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT EVEN IF YOU HAVE, UM, EVEN IF THEY TRY, UM, THE, WHERE THIS LOCATION IS THERE, THIS WALL, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS GONNA HAVE LIKE, SOME TYPE OF CONCRETE WALL, AND THIS WILL BE A SETBACK AND THIS WILL BE ALL GRILLED GRATES. UH, SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE VERY INTRUSIVE, LIKE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO, TO GET TO. UM, I, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING BROKEN IN, UH, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF INSTALLS WITH THE CABINET AND STUFF, AND IF YOU GO TO LIGHT, YOU KNOW, LIGHT POLES AND STUFF, SOMETIMES YOU SEE THOSE CABINETS ON THOSE, IF THEY'RE LOCKABLE ENCLOSURES AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S INSIDE OF IT. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVEN'T JUST IGNORED THEM. SO WHAT ABOUT THE CHIEF ? WHAT ABOUT, NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE. PUTTING GRAFFITI ON IT. IS IT, IS IT SAFE FROM THAT? UH, IS IT SAFE? I'M SORRY, WHAT? FROM GRAFFITI? GRAFFITI? WELL, IF WE CAN PAINT 'EM, I GUESS YOU'D BE ABLE TO, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE A SEAL OR ANYTHING THAT CAN PROTECT IT? NO, NOT, I MEAN, IT'S A POWDER COAT. I, NO, NO. OKAY. NO, IT DOESN'T. MAYOR, I WAS GONNA ASK, CHIEF KNOWS OUR COMMUNITY AND WHETHER YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY OR VANDALISM ISSUES. I DON'T AS OF NOW, BUT IF, IF WE GET SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS AND WE WOULD WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS TO REINFORCE OR CREATE A BETTER BARRIER, UM, IF WE NEEDED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF SECURITY AS FAR AS, UM, LIVE STREAMING VIDEO AROUND IT, THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH DISPATCH, WE COULD DO IT AT THAT TIME. UM, I DON'T ANTICIPATE IT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT WON'T HAPPEN. SO, DEREK OH, ANDY, GO AHEAD. OH, I JUST WANTED [04:25:01] TO THROW OUT A REMINDER THAT WE WILL HAVE A POLICE SUBSTATION DOWN BELOW. THAT'S TRUE. THE SAME BUILDING, AND WE DO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH REPAIRING GRAFFITI WHEN WE NEED TO DO THAT, SO WE CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT. OKAY, DEREK, UM, THE PARKING GARAGE ONE, WILL IT BE ON A LEVEL WHERE THERE ARE PARKING SPACES OR WILL IT BE ABOVE THAT? UM, NO, IT, IT WILL BE ON THE TOP FLOOR, I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THREE FLOORS. 'CAUSE I THINK ONE'S UNDERNEATH, RIGHT. UH, SO IT'S ON THE TOP FLOOR, UM, BUT IT'S TUCKED INTO THE CORNER. SO THERE, THERE WILL BE, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, UM, THERE ISN'T A PARKING SPOT IN HERE, IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. AND THEN AFTER THAT, I THINK THERE'LL BE PARKING SPOTS ON THE TOP FLOOR. I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. SO IF THIS THING GOES OFF WHEN SOMEBODY'S NEAR IT, ARE WE GONNA BE PAYING FOR THEIR HEARING OR NO? NO. THE GOOD NEWS, UH, ON IT IS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO POINT ALL THE SPEAKERS, UM, TOWARDS THE NORTH AND THE NORTHEAST. SO IF YOU'RE WALKING BEHIND IT, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE MORE THAN 10 20 B DB. SO IT'S, IT WILL BE LOUD, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA, UM, BE OVER THE 1 21 DB THRESHOLD FOR AN OSHA STANDARD. SO, OKAY. OR TOURISTS ARE GOOD AT HURTING THEMSELVES. I THINK THEY'LL APPRECIATE IT. , I HAVE TWO CARDS. SO LET'S GO TO OPEN THE PUBLIC. CHARLOTTE'S HAND IS, OH, CHARLOTTE, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T SEE YOUR HAND. OKAY. JUST BREAK IN IF YOU WANNA TALK. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT, UM, YOU CITED THIS IN A WAY THAT I AM VERY SURE THAT I'M GONNA HEAR IT . BUT, UM, I HAVE ONE QUESTION OR ONE COMMENT. THE COMMENT IS, I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE HEARD INDOORS, BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THE USEFULNESS OF IT WOULD BE PERHAPS IN THE EVENING OR AT NIGHTTIME WHEN PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA BE AROUND THEIR N THEIR, YOU KNOW, CELL PHONES AND GETTING NICK MESSAGES. AND THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THE WAYS THAT PEOPLE COULD BE ALERTED OF THINGS. SO THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT INTENDED FOR INDOORS OR EXPECTED TO BE USEFUL INDOORS IS A LITTLE SURPRISING TO ME. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS A RESPONSE OR NOT. THE OTHER THING IS, AND I KNOW THIS IS A PILOT PROJECT, BUT WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE, THIS IS MAYBE A QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF, WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE THIS BEING DEPLOYED THROUGHOUT THE CITY OR ONLY IN THESE AREAS OF HIGHER POPULATION AND VISITATION? ULTIMATELY? THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. SO, TO ANSWER IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU WON'T HEAR IT INSIDE YOUR HOME. AND AT NIGHTTIME WHEN THERE'S LESS VEHICLE TRAFFIC AND OTHER NOISE THAT, OR, OR WIND, YOU KNOW, THAT TAKE AWAY FROM THE SOUND AT NIGHT, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE LOUDER JUST BECAUSE IT GETS QUIETER THROUGHOUT TOWN. AND WHEN THEY'RE WORKING IN UNISON WITH MULTIPLE LOCATIONS, IT ACTUALLY AMPLIFIES EVEN LOUDER ON NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT YOU CAN JUST SAY YES OR NO. YES. UM, SO I MEAN, IT DOES WORK AND HELP WHEN YOU HAVE REDUNDANCIES BUILT IN, RIGHT? SO, UM, BUT OUR TEST WASN'T TO GEAR TOWARDS HEARING INSIDE THE HOME AT DURING THAT TIME. UM, BUT IDEALLY, YES, WE WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE THIS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND AGAIN, WITH MULTIPLE SITES, IT'LL, UM, HELP, YOU KNOW, CREATE A BETTER DISTANCE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. UM, SO IDEALLY WE, WE LIKE IT. UM, WE NEVER HAVE TO USE IT. THAT WOULD BE LOVELY TOO. UM, BUT WE LIKE IT AND WE CONTINUE TO GROW THE PROGRAM AND SIRENS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. UM, ALSO INCORPORATING YAVAPAI COUNTY ONE. ONE MORE COMMENT. UM, YEAH, ONE MORE COMMENT THOUGH IS EVERY TIME WE GO THROUGH LIKE A INTERIOR WALL, WE'RE GONNA LOSE 10 DB. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE SOUND DOESN'T, IT WILL PENETRATE, BUT AS THEY BUILD NEW, BETTER, BETTER BUILDINGS WITH SOUNDPROOF AND STUFF, UM, IT'S JUST GONNA TAKE AWAY THE, THE SOUND FROM THE INSIDE. SO, DEREK, ARE THE SIRENS SYNCHRONIZED? SO IF THERE'S SOMEBODY IN THE MIDDLE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE HEARING TWO SECONDS APART? UM, YES, YES. THEY, THEY DO. UM, BUT THE WAY THAT SOUND IS REFLECTIVE IS DEPENDING ON, UM, HOW THE FAR THE DISTANCE ARE, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR IT. WHAT IS ACTUALLY UNIQUE, AND WE'VE DONE THIS AND HAD THIS QUESTION MANY TIMES, IS, UM, THE PERSON OR THE LISTENER IS GONNA ACTUALLY HEAR AND UNDERSTAND THE OVERRIDING, UM, NOISE FROM THE, THE DOMINANT SOUND, UH, SPEAKER. AND, UM, WE DO REPEAT THE MESSAGE TWICE. UH, SO A LOT OF TIMES THE, WHEN, WHEN YOU HEAR THE, THE, THE NOISE OR THE FIRST MESSAGE, IT'S NOT THAT YOU DON'T UNDER UNDERSTAND IT, YOU JUST WEREN'T READY FOR IT, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN IT, THEY REPLAY IT THE SECOND TIME, YOU USUALLY CATCH IT. SO, UM, BETWEEN THOSE TIMES, PLAYING IT OVER TWICE AND THE DOMINANT SPEAKER, IT'S GONNA, UM, CREATE THAT. BUT THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A LITTLE MULTIPLE ARRIVAL EFFECT BECAUSE, UM, DISTANCE BETWEEN SOUND, I MEAN, WE CAN'T, YEAH, IT'S JUST THE CHARACTERISTICS OF SOUND ATTENUATION. [04:30:01] OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . OKAY. IF THERE AREN'T ANY MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL, I'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. UH, TIM FOLLOWED BY ED. GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. THE REAL DECISION THAT THE COUNCIL SHOULD BE TAKING TONIGHT WITH REGARD TO SILENT PLA SIREN PLACEMENT IS THAT THEY SHOULD BE PLACED NOWHERE. THE CITY SHOULD NOT HAVE SIRENS. THERE'S TWO POINTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE HERE. ONE IS THAT IN SPITE OF THAT, OF THE FACT THAT THESE DEVICES ARE DESCRIBED AS SIRENS, THEY'RE NOT IN FACT WOOWOO SIRENS, THEY ARE PROPAGANDA LOUDSPEAKERS. THEY ARE INTENDED TO DISSEMINATE VOICE MESSAGES, NOT JUST A GENERAL TONE. YOU KNOW, AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT LOUDSPEAKERS AND THE VOICE FROM THE SKY, I ALWAYS THINK OF THAT GREAT OLD PROPAGANDA PLANE, THE TUPELO, A NT 20 THAT THE SOVIET UNION BUILT TO FLY OVER VAST AREAS AND BEAM THE MESSAGE FOR MILES AROUND JUST WHAT A GREAT IDEA THIS GOVERNMENT WAS AND ALL THE GREAT THINGS IT WAS DOING FOR THE PEASANTS. WHY NOT BUY ONE OF THOSE? IF YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THE FULL OUT PROPAGANDA APPROACH, YOU MIGHT AS WELL. OF COURSE, , WE ALL KNOW IT'S THE REAL, THE KIND OF PROPAGANDA THAT'S GONNA BE COMING OUT OF THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE SO MUCH FORCEFUL AS IT IS JUST PLAIN SMARMY THAT WHAT IT'S GONNA END UP BEING USED FOR IS THE VOICE OF THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT BEAMING DOWN OVER UPTOWN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NEW GIANT CELL PHONES AT THE VISITOR CENTER AND ELSEWHERE TELLING PEOPLE, STAY OFF THE JIM THOMPSON TRAIL TODAY FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR BEAUTIFUL ENVIRONMENT. IT'S DISGUSTING JUST TO THINK ABOUT IT. GOD, ANDREW GROSSMAN TALKING ALL OVER UPTOWN. WHAT AN AWFUL THOUGHT. BUT THE OTHER PROBLEM WITH THIS WHOLE IDEA IS THIS IS GOT SOMETHING TO DO WITH AN EMERGENCY. I'M TOLD WHAT EMERGENCY? YOU, YOU THINK WE'RE JUST GONNA PICK UP AND LEAVE BECAUSE SOMEONE ON CITY STAFF DECIDES THAT THERE'S AN EMERGENCY AND WE NEED TO MOVE? NO, WE'LL MAKE A DECISION FOR OURSELVES BASED ON WHAT INFORMATION WE'RE TAKING IN ABOUT CONCURRENT CONDITIONS, AND WE'LL DECIDE WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO EVACUATE OR NOT. CERTAINLY, THAT DECISION IS NOT GONNA BE MADE FOR US BY STEPHANIE FOLEY, WHO HER OWN STAFF ARE CALLING OUT FOR BEING PARANOID. NO, THE CITY DOESN'T NEED SIRENS AT ALL. THE BEST SIREN LOCATION IS NO LOCATION. AND I WAS GOING TO END THERE, BUT THERE WAS ONE THING THAT CAME UP EARLIER THAT PIQUED MY INTEREST. SO I HAVE TO ASK. COUNSELOR KINSELLA MADE THIS, UH, INTERESTING REMARK WHEN THE BACK OF BATTERIES WERE REFERRED TO, UH, THE CONSULTANT SAID IT WAS ABOUT THE COST OF A CAR BATTERY, AND THE COUNSELOR SAID, AND ABOUT HOW MUCH IS THAT? DOES SHE NOT DO NORMAL THINGS LIKE PUT A BATTERY IN HER OWN CAR? OH, WELL, I GUESS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE STUCK WITH IN SEDONA, ED. MY NAME IS ED KELLER. EXCUSE ME. I'M A RESIDENT. SEDONA, AND FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU MARY PLU FOR RECOGNIZING THE PLIGHT OF US UP IN THE PALISADES WHERE WE CAN'T, UH, GET IN, IN AND OUT SAFELY DURING AN EMERGENCY. UH, I COME FROM THE MIDWEST, FROM THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA, AND THESE KINDS OF ALERTING SYSTEMS AND SIRENS AND STUFF ARE ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL FOR THE SAFETY OF A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY THE ONES WE HAVE HERE IN SEDONA, WHERE THEY'RE NOT ON OUR NIXLE SYSTEMS. THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WE GET A, A FIRE COMING DOWN THE CANYON. UH, THIS IS THE WAY TO ALERT THEM TO GET THEM OUT IN A TIMELY MANNER AND ALLOW ME TO GET OUTTA MY NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, UH, IT IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME, BUT I, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THESE. BUT IF WE'RE GONNA DEPLOY MORE OF THEM, LET'S TAKE INTO ACCOUNT CERTAIN THINGS LIKE WHAT THEY CALL THE VIEW. SHE, THAT'S A NEW WORD I LEARNED. UH, IT'S LIKE IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT DOWN BREWER ROAD, GO DOWN THE POWER LINE ROUTE MM-HMM . AND PUT 'EM ALONG THERE. SO YOU ALREADY HAVE THE POWER, YOU ALREADY HAVE AN IMPAIRED SIGHT LINE. LET'S NOT MAKE IT WORSE. YOU KNOW, LET'S TRY AND DO THIS IN A SENSITIVE MANNER, BUT ALSO LOOK AT THE TERRAIN WE HAVE. YOU KNOW, I, I LIVE LINE OF SIGHT, PROBABLY LESS THAN THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE FROM THE 2 21 BREWER, BUT THERE'S LIKE TWO OR THREE RIDGE LINES BETWEEN ME AND THAT FACILITY. SO YOU'VE GOTTA REALLY LOOK AT THE TOPOGRAPHICAL ISSUES WHEN YOU DO ANTENNA OR THESE, UH, PLACEMENTS AND FIND THE ONES THAT ARE OPTIMAL. UH, YOU KNOW, AS I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A PILOT, WE LEARN SOMETHING FROM IT AND WE'RE GONNA GROW, BUT I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. I'M NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE LEARN FROM THE LICENSE [04:35:01] PLATE READERS. WE NEED TO HAVE THE GUARDRAILS BUILT BEFORE WE IMPLEMENT. SO WHAT ARE THE ALLOWABLE USES AND WHO'S ALLOWED TO MAKE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND TRIGGER THESE THINGS? THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE LAID OUT AND AGREED AND APPROVED BEFORE WE TURN THE SYSTEM ON. OKAY. THERE WAS A, A LESSON LEARNED FROM THAT. SO LET'S MAKE SURE ON THIS DEPLOYMENT, WE ALSO HAVE THE PROGRAM STEPS IN PLACE TO PUT THE CONTROLS. SO MY PARANOID FRIEND HERE IS A DREAM OF REALITY WILL NOT COME TO PASS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. STEPHANIE, DO YOU WANNA, OR CHIEF YOU WANNA RESPOND TO THE GUARDRAILS? UM, SURE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, WE WILL PUT IN SYSTEMS. SO IT IS ALSO MEANT TO BE, UM, I THINK CHRIS SAID IT'S A MOBILE APP. UH, YOU CAN HAVE PRE-PREPARED MESSAGES, WHETHER IT'S A FLOOD FIRE, UM, ACTIVE ATTACKER WHERE, UM, WE'RE TELLING YOU TO, TO, UM, STAY IN PLACE RATHER THAN THAN EVACUATE. SO WE'LL HAVE PREPARED, UM, PRE-PLANNED MESSAGES IF FOR SOME REASON, UH, WE'RE NOT ABLE, UM, TO ACTIVATE THAT, WE CAN CALL ONE OF OUR, UM, HELPERS OVER IN COO COUNTY, THEY COULD ACTIVATE THE SYSTEM AS WELL. SO WE WILL PUT IN SOME GUARDRAILS AROUND WHO CAN ACTUALLY ACTIVATE THE SYSTEM, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE IN LINE WITH CITY MANAGER MAYOR, UM, DEPUTY CHIEF OR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER IF, IF THEY'RE IN ACTING POSITION, MYSELF OR WHOEVER I ASSIGNED WITHIN MY COMMANDER REALM. UM, THAT WAY THAT THERE IS THAT BUILT IN, UM, APPROVAL AS WELL FOR MYSELF FROM SOMEBODY FROM THE PD WHO OVERSEES EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND THEN, UM, FROM THE CITY, FROM THE CITY MANAGER, AND THEN ALSO COUNSEL. I, I THINK, UH, IT WOULD BE GOOD IF BEFORE THEY WERE TURNED ON, LIKE IT SUGGESTED YOU COULD COME TO COUNCIL AND REVIEW THAT. ABSOLUTELY. I THINK IF TONIGHT WE AGREE WITH THE APPROVAL OF IN INSTALLATION AND THE LOCATIONS, WE CAN DEFINITELY COME BACK AND SHARE MORE OF THE POLICY SIDE TO HOW WE SEE IMPLEMENTING THAT AND, AND WHAT WOULD GO OUT BEFORE THEY'RE ACTUALLY INSTALLED. SINCE IT DOES REQUIRE A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME JUST TO GET THESE BUILT, WE CAN USE THAT TIME TO COME BACK. THANK YOU. GOOD. I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE A PROHIBITIVE LIST OF THINGS LIKE YOU WILL NOT DO MARKETING BROADCASTS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, JUST SO THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS IT'S AN EMERGENCY SYSTEM ONLY AND IT'S NOT FOR, YOU KNOW, ADVERTISING AND TELLING PEOPLE NOT TO GO TO CERTAIN TRAIL HEADS OR WHATEVER. SO THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, ED. UM, WE CAN DO ALL THE ABOVE AND, AND OTHERS HAVE ALREADY HAD THESE SYSTEMS IN PLACE SO WE CAN USE OUR PARTNERSHIPS AND, UH, NOT HAVE TO FULLY REINVENT THE WHEEL, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE CAN USE SEDONA TYPE, UM, EMERGENCIES AND, AND BUILD THAT OUT AND COME BACK. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM. COME BACK TO COUNCIL. PETE, JUST LA UH, LAST QUESTION I GOT ASKED. OBVIOUS, AGAIN, YOU GUYS ARE THE PROS, BUT THERE SHOULD BE, UH, JUST THE EXISTENCE OF AN APP MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS. THERE GOTTA BE, IS THERE A KILL SWITCH TOO THAT YOU CAN ? I'M GONNA LET TIM TALK TO THIS SINCE HE'S USED IT MORE UP IN FLAGSTAFF, BUT THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS THAT WE CAN UTILIZE THE SYSTEM. SO, UH, YES SIR. THERE ARE SO, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER EMERGENCY NOTIFICATIONS, WE CAN SET A DURATION FOR YOU AND WE SET THE SIRENS OFF, YOU CAN THEN TURN THEM OFF IF, IF THEY DON'T NEED TO. THESE ARE, UM, I DO BORN AND RAISED IN THE SOUTH AND REMEMBER THE OLD TORNADO SIRENS THAT ALWAYS INTERRUPTED CARTOONS WHEN YOU'RE A KID. MM-HMM . THESE, THESE AREN'T THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, THE TECHNOLOGY HAS HAS DEFINITELY IMPROVED SINCE THOSE, UM, AND YEAH, THAT YOU CAN, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THE EVERY SATURDAY TESTING. UM, MY, MY COMMENT REALLY WAS ABOUT HACKING, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE TOOK IT OVER, WE CAN KILL IT. OH, SURE. NO, WE, UM, WITH UH, OUR SOFTWARE PLATFORM, WE FOLLOW, UM, THE SECURE SYSTEM FOR CYBERSECURITY AND STUFF, UM, ON THAT WE HAVE LOTS OF DEPLOYMENTS, A LOT OF BIG QUESTIONS ON THAT. UH, I WISH I COULD TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT OUR SECURITY IS, BUT EVERYBODY'S PRETTY GOOD WITH IT. SO, UM, ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES HAVE GONE THROUGH OUR SECURITY, UH, CYBERSECURITY THING. WE'RE GOOD. , ANY COMMENTS? DEREK? I JUST COMMENT TO THE OTHER COUNSELORS OR WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HAVING 'EM COME BACK TO US AND DEBATE WHAT THIS IS GONNA BE USED FOR. ARE WE, OR ARE THEY JUST GONNA COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, HERE ARE THE EMERGENCIES, THEY'RE THE EMERGENCY PEOPLE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA USE IT FOR? OR ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE TALK ABOUT? COULD I MAKE A SUGGESTION ON THAT? YEAH, GO AHEAD. THAT THE PROTOCOLS WHEN THEY'RE DEVELOPED GET FORWARDED TO US. AND IF ANY COUNSELOR IN REVIEWING [04:40:01] THEM SEES THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD THEN WANT TO AGENDIZE, THEN THEY COULD BE AGENDIZED. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. I JUST DON'T WANT US TO SPEND AN HOUR TODAY. I THINK IT'S ABOUT HOW LONG HAVING THE THEM BE AVAILABLE TO US AND THE PUBLIC SO THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW AS WELL. YEAH, RIGHT. AGAIN, I JUST DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT AT NINE 40 ON A TUESDAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS WHICH ENTERTAIN A MOTION? UM, UH, KURT, IF I MAKE A MOTION, CAN I, UH, AMEND THE MOTION THAT I WOULD SAY PROPOSE THREE LOCATIONS? 'CAUSE I'D LIKE US TO CONSIDER DOING, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SAVINGS AND AUTHORIZE THE THIRD LOCATION BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INCREASED COVERAGE, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS FROM THE MAP THAT I SEE WHERE THERE ARE TRAILS AND HIKERS AND PEOPLE THAT WOULDN'T HAVE OTHER ACCESS TO INFORMATION. YES, YOU CAN YOU JUST SAY, PROVE THE THREE PROPOSED LOCATIONS AND THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT IT WOULD BE THE YES LOSS. OR DO I NEED TO, THAT WORKS FOR, FOR WE REFERENCE. THAT WORKS FOR, YES. WAS THAT IN THE BUDGET, BARBARA? IS THERE A WAY THAT WE, HOW WOULD WE BE PAYING FOR THE THIRD ONE? HOW MUCH IS STEPHANIE'S SAVINGS IN HER BUDGET? OH, I'M SORRY. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. OH, I'M SORRY. . OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. IT'S GETTING LATE AND I'M TEXTING MY SON, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT WHAT I SHOULD BE DOING. UM, WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT WITHIN CONTINGENCY. ALTERNATIVELY, WE CAN BORROW FROM ANOTHER CAPITAL PROJECT THAT MIGHT NOT BE MOVING ALONG AT THE RATE THAT WE WANT IT TO. UM, BUT WE DEFINITELY HAVE THE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO ADD A THIRD WITHIN THIS FISCAL YEAR, IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. PLEASE. DO I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED THREE LOCATIONS PRESENTED FOR PURCHASE WITH INSTALLATION TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF MAY, 2026 TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE FEMA GRANT WITH THE ADDITIONAL SITE BEING PURCHASED BY THE CITY. SECOND, DO WE WANNA PUT A A DOLLAR AMOUNT IN THERE NOT TO EXCEED $150,000, RIGHT? THAT WAS IT. YEAH. ONE 20. IT'S ONE 20. SO YOU'RE GIVING YOURSELF A QUESTION 20. I'M SORRY. THAT WAS THE SAVINGS. OKAY. STILL SECONDED . OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR READY FOR A VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. WAS THAT AN AYE CHAR? YES IT WAS. YES IT IS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR COMING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR COMING DOWN. ITEM [9.c. AB 3296 Discussion/possible action for approval of a Resolution authorizing the execution of an Intergovernmental Agreement (IGA) between the City of Sedona and the Yavapai County Flood Control District (YCFC) contributing an amount not-to-exceed $520,400 in YCFC funds to be used for the design and construction of general drainage improvement projects including projects located at Andante Dr, Kachina Dr, El Camino Grande and Rodeo Rd & Sanborn Dr.] C, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION FOR APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT IGA BETWEEN THE CITY OF SEDONA AND THE AVAI COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT Y-C-F-C-D CONTRIBUTING AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $520,400 IN Y-C-F-C-D FUNDS TO BE USED FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF GENERAL DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, INCLUDING PROJECTS LOCATED AT ANTE DRIVE, KACHINA DRIVE, EL CAMINO GRANDE RODEO DRIVE, AND SANBORN DRIVE. HI SANDY. HI. GOOD EVENING, KH. GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNSELORS, SANDY PHILLIPS, UH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. UM, IT'S, IT'S LATE. ANY QUESTIONS? ? PERFECT. LET'S ACCEPT. THIS IS YAVAPAI COUNTY HAS BEEN GIVING US MONEY EVERY YEAR AND WE'RE SUPER GRACIOUS AND APPRECIATIVE OF THAT, AND THEY'RE GIVING US MORE THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE WEREN'T QUITE ABLE TO SPEND IT LAST YEAR ON DANTE'S STARTED LATE. WE WILL BE ABLE TO SPEND THAT THIS AMOUNT THIS YEAR. SO WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED. IT IS. IT'S A LOT MORE MONEY THAN WE USUALLY GET. YEAH. SO IS THAT, DO THEY ROLL OVER OUR UNENDED MONEY OR THEY JUST HAVE MORE MONEY? IT'S THE FIRST TIME. NO, THEY'VE ROLLED IT OVER BEFORE. NO, NO. UM, SO TYPICALLY WE WOULD HAVE TO REPROGRAM AND RE-EXECUTE AN IGAA NEW YEAR, SO IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY ROLL OVER. WHATEVER WE DON'T EXPEND IT WOULD BE A NEW ALLOCATION TO THE CITY THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FOR. SO, THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR SANDY OR KURT? QUESTION? I'D JUST LIKE TO [04:45:01] SAY THANK YOU TO STAFF AND TO Y POINT COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT FOR A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WE'VE HAD AND FOR DOING THIS KIND OF THING WITH US. READY FOR A MOTION? WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT? I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2025 DASH 2020 AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF SEDONA AND THE YAVAPAI COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT, CONTRIBUTING AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $520,400 IN Y-C-F-C-D FUNDS TO BE USED FOR GENERAL DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, INCLUDING PROJECTS LOCATED AT ADANTE DRIVE, KACHINA DRIVE, EL CAMINO GRANDE AND RODEO DRIVE AND SANBORN DRIVE. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A AYE, AYE I MISSED THE WHOLE ITEM. YES, YOU CAN SAY AYE. AYE. . YAY. WERE YOU UNANIMOUS? BEST PRESENTATION OF THE NIGHT. IS THAT AN OKAY, KURT? STAY. YOU'RE NEXT. CONSULT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. NO, ONLY BECAUSE IT TOOK TWO MINUTES. UH, I'LL JUST STAY [9.d. AB 3300 Discussion/possible action for the approval of a three-year Linking Agreement with Precision Concrete Cutting, Inc. in the amount of $200,000] WITH AB 3,300 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF A THREE YEAR LINKING AGREEMENT WITH PRECISION CONCRETE CUTTING INK IN THE AMOUNT OF $200,000. HI, IAN. HEY, GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. JUST ONE MOMENT. IS IT TOO EARLY TO MAKE A MOTION? ? YOU GUYS LIKE TO, UH, THAT'S FINE. . JUST A, A REAL QUICK SUMMARY ON THIS IS A CONCRETE CUTTING CONTRACT TO MAINTAIN SAFE, A DA COMPLIANT SIDEWALKS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, MITIGATES POTENTIAL, UH, ISSUES FROM HAPPENING, LAWSUITS FROM, UH, BEING FILED AGAINST THE CITY. UH, THE VENDORS A NATIONWIDE KNOWN VENDOR. UM, THIS CONTRACT SECURES THEIR SERVICES FOR, UH, THREE YEARS AND IT'LL ADD SOME EFFICIENCY TO THE CONTRACTING PROCESS FOR BOTH THE VENDOR AND STAFF. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. KATHY. I JUST NOTICED THAT, UM, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP THAT THE, THE AMOUNT BUDGETED IN THE FISCAL YEAR IS 70,000, BUT IT'S $200,000 NOT TO EXCEED OVER THREE YEAR TERMS. SO THERE'S SAVINGS. 'CAUSE WHERE'S THE OTHER 10,000? COULD BE 210,000. SO THAT, THAT'S HOW MUCH IS BUDGETED THIS FISCAL YEAR. UM, WHEN PUBLIC WORKS STAFF AND I WENT THROUGH THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEARS REVIEWING SPENDING, IT WAS PRETTY DYNAMIC. MM-HMM . UM, THIS YEAR WAS MARKED TO BE MAYBE A YEAR THAT MORE FUNDS WERE BUDGETED. SO, UM, WE ARRIVED AT THIS NUMBER AFTER LOOKING AT TRENDS BASED ON PREVIOUS USES. VENDORS. NOT NEW, NOR IS THIS SERVICE NEW TO THE CITY. OKAY. SO IT COULD BE ADJUSTED IF WE NEED. YES, CORRECT. OKAY. I'M GOOD. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? READY FOR A MOTION? ANYBODY WANNA MAKE ONE? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE THREE YEAR LINKING AGREEMENT WITH PRECISION CONCRETE CUTTING INK FOR TRIP HAZARD ELIMINATION SERVICES FOR AN APPROXIMATE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $200,000. SECOND, MELISSA SECONDED IT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? CHARLOTTE, DID YOU SAY AYE? YES, SHE DID. YES, I DID. THANK YOU. SHE'S COMING OUT LIKE, UGH, . I KNOW, EXACTLY. OKAY. YOU'RE STAYING HERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE [9.e. AB 3297 Discussion/possible action for the approval of a three-year Linking Agreement with Waste Management of Arizona, Inc., not-to-exceed $500,000.] THE NEXT IS, UH, E AB 32 97 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF A THREE YEAR LINKING AGREEMENT WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT OF ARIZONA INC. NOT TO EXCEED $500,000. IAN, IT'S YOURS. THANK YOU. SO THIS, UH, CONTRACT, THE CITY ORIGINALLY HAD, UH, CONTRACTED WITH PATRIOT DISPOSAL. THAT CONTRACT WAS ASSIGNED TO WASTE MANAGEMENT. THE CITY AGREED TO THE ASSIGNMENT, UM, WE'RE COMING UP ON, UH, THE TIME TO DISCUSS, UH, POTENTIAL RENEWAL WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT. THEY'D INDICATED THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER. SO WE, UH, KINDA REVIEWED OUR OPTIONS AND FOUND THAT WASTE MANAGEMENT CURRENTLY HAS A STATE CONTRACT. SO WE ASK THEM TO EXTEND THE STATE TERMS AND PRICING TO THE CITY. UH, THIS CONTRACT WOULD LOCK THIS, UH, THE TERMS AND PRICING IN THROUGH AUGUST OF 2028. SO, UM, NOT QUITE A THREE YEAR TERM, BUT, UM, THROUGH THEN ANYWAYS, AT WHICH POINT WE'LL REVIEW AND SEE HOW WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD, WHETHER THAT'S CONTINUING WITH A COOPERATIVE PURCHASING AGREEMENT OR POTENTIALLY, UH, GOING THROUGH A BID PROCESS. UH, WE'LL, WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AT THE TIME. SO, I, I HAVE A QUESTION. IS TAYLOR WASTE NOT ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS SIZE OR DID FUNCTION? IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE. UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'D, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT [04:50:01] IN, UH, WHEN THIS LINKING AGREEMENT EXPIRES, OR WHAT ARE LOCAL OPTIONS? OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO EXCLUDE ANYBODY FROM, BUT GIVEN THE THE CHOICE OF PAYING HIGHER RATES TO WASTE MANAGEMENT OR GOING THROUGH WHAT WOULD BE AN EXTENSIVE BID PROCESS, UH, WE DECIDED TO GO WITH A GREAT VALUE IN THE STATE CONTRACT THIS TIME. HAVE WE BEEN SATISFIED WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT SERVICES? YES, THEY'VE BEEN PROVIDING, UH, ADEQUATE SERVICES TO THE CITY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MOTION TIME? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE LINKING AGREEMENT WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT OF ARIZONA INC. FOR TRASH COLLECTION SERVICES THROUGH AUGUST 6TH, 2028 FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $500,000. IS THERE A SECOND? MELISSA? SECOND . ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. . WE'RE UNANIMOUS. OKAY, BRYCE. DISCUSSION, [9.f. AB 3301 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of the Professional Services Agreement with Alternative Energy Systems Consulting, Inc. (AESC) to provide planning and design services for decarbonization projects for an amount not-to-exceed $249,759.50.] POSSIBLE ACTION AB 33 0 1 REGARDING APPROVAL OF THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SYSTEMS CONSULTING, INC. A ESC TO PROVIDE PLANNING AND DESIGN SERVICES FOR DECARBONIZATION PROJECTS FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $249,759 AND 50 CENTS. THANK YOU, KURT. ALL, OH, SORRY. BLUE BUTTON. NOPE. NOPE. DON'T DO IT. SCREEN MY BLANK. UH, ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, I HAVE A, A JUST A HANDFUL OF SLIDES SO I WON'T BE AS, UH, AS QUICK AS KURT AND SANDY IN THE BLANK, BUT, UM, SO, UH, GOOD EVENING, UM, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL, MY BRYCE SPEC SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER, UH, HAPPY TO BRING FORWARD AB 3 3 0 1, UH, FOR A ESC DECARBONIZATION PLANNING AND DESIGN. UH, I'M JUST GONNA QUICKLY COVER KIND OF THE DECARBONIZATION ROADMAP TIMELINE, WHERE WE STARTED AND HOW WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT TODAY. UH, COVERED BRIEFLY THE SCOPES OF WORK THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED CONTRACT, UH, AS WELL AS THE ANTICIPATED, UH, PROJECT TIMELINE, UH, AND THEN JUST, UH, HIGHLIGHTING A BIT OF OUR PROCUREMENT PROCESS THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT. UH, SO QUICK OVERVIEW, JUST, UH, ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SYSTEMS CONSULTING. A ESC IS THE PARENT COMPANY OR THE, THE LEAD ON THE, THE CONTRACT. UH, THE KIND OF SISTER ORGANIZATION THAT I WAS HELPING, UH, IS, UH, EVA GREEN POWER. UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE AWARD OF THE PROPOSAL AT, UH, $249,759 AND 50 CENTS, UH, AND IT WAS INCLUDED IN OUR FY 26, UH, BUDGET PROCESS. THE PROPOSAL ESSENTIALLY KICKS OFF, UH, THE SUSTAINABILITY 10 OR CS 10 CIP PROJECT, UH, AND IS KIND OF THE INITIAL FACILITATOR FOR THE PLANNING AND DESIGN PIECES FOR THE SUBSEQUENT CIP PROJECTS THAT ARE, UH, CS 11 THROUGH THE FIF, UH, THROUGH 15. OVERALL, THE PROJECT IS FUNDED THROUGH THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY CONSERVATION BLOCK GRANT, UH, THAT THE AWARD OF THAT, UH, GRANT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN MAY OF THIS YEAR. THE FUNDING FOR THAT, UH, GRANT AWARD IS, UH, RUNS THROUGH DECEMBER 26TH, UH, OF NEXT YEAR. AND THE, UH, MANAGERS, UH, THE GRANT MANAGER ORGANIZATION IS ARIZONA GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF RESILIENCY. UH, THAT'S, UH, ACTING AS MANAGERS FOR PASS THROUGH FUNDS FROM, UH, THE FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION. UH, SO QUICK TIMELINE FOR MUNICIPAL DECARBONIZATION. UH, A FEW YEARS AGO, WE KIND OF STARTED THE WHOLE WHOLE PROCESS OFF. AND SO IN NOVEMBER OF 2023, WE STARTED THE CREATION OF A DECARBONIZATION ROADMAP FOR MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS. THAT WAS WITH A COMPANY CALLED MCKINSTRY, UH, ASCENSION, LLC. UH, THAT ROADMAP WAS FINALIZED AND PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, UH, ABOUT A YEAR LATER IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024. A FEW MONTHS AFTER THAT, UH, WE HAD THE, UH, ENERGY EFFICIENCY CONSERVATION BLOCK GRANT APPLICATION, UH, AND THEN WE FOLLOWED THAT UP WITH PUTTING THE ROADMAP PROJECTS AND THE ESTIMATED COSTS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE ROADMAP, UH, INTO THE, UH, FY 26 CIP PROJECT, UH, BUDGETS. UH, AND THEN, UH, JUST HIGHLIGHTING AGAIN THAT IN MAY OF 2025, WE HAD COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE E-E-C-B-G AWARD. UH, AND THEN IN JUNE OF THAT NEXT YEAR, OR THE FOLLOWING JUNE, UH, WE HAD, UM, THE, THE GRANT PROGRAM ESSENTIALLY WAS KICKED OFF BY THE ARIZONA GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF RESILIENCY, GIVING US ADDITIONAL, UH, GUIDELINES AND REQUIREMENTS AND SO ON TO MEET THE, THE OBLIGATIONS FOR IT. [04:55:01] UH, SHORTLY AFTER THAT, THEN WE THEN BEGAN EMBARKING ON CREATING THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS, UH, AND GOING THROUGH THE, UH, PROCUREMENT PROCESS, UH, WITH OUR PROCUREMENT TEAM. AND THEN THAT BRINGS US TO TODAY, UH, WHICH IS THE, UH, CONTRACT PROPOSAL BEFORE COUNCIL, UH, TO KEEP THAT PROJECT MOVING ALONG. UH, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT, UH, WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN OUR DECARBONIZATION, UH, ROADMAP PROJECTS AND THE CIP BUDGET, UH, KIND OF THE, THE WIDE RANGE HERE FROM SUS 10 THROUGH 15, UH, INCLUDES THAT PLANNING AND DESIGN ELEMENTS, THE BUILDING AUTOMATION, EFFICIENCIES, CAPACITY UPGRADES, AND SO ON. UH, IN TOTAL, THE ROADMAP HAD ESTIMATED ABOUT 13 MILLION OR SO IN CAPITAL, UH, EXPENDITURES FOR DECARBONIZATION OF MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS. UH, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE, UH, ON THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS FROM ENERGY, UH, ENERGY SAVINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT, OR, UH, COST AVOIDANCE, UH, IN PARTICULAR FOR HVAC ELECTRIFICATION. UH, THOSE SYSTEMS ARE, UH, REACHING AT END OF LIFE AT, UH, PARTICULAR TIMEFRAMES. AND WHAT OUR GOAL IS TO LINE UP HVAC ELECTRIFICATION AT THE SAME TIMING, SO THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, PUSHING PROJECTS FORWARD, UH, THAT ARE COSTING US MORE THAN REACHING THE, THE APPROPRIATE END OF THE LIFE FOR THAT, UH, PROJECT PIECE. SO THE SCOPE OF WORK, AS I MENTIONED, HAVE JUST A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THE COST OF EACH SCOPE, UH, WAS INCLUDED IN THE, THE PROJECT ENTAILS, UH, FOR THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING SCOPE, UH, AS WE GO TO, TO FINALIZE THE ULTIMATE DESIGN PHASING PLANNING OF THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS TO HELP FACILITATE THE GREEN FLEET TRANSITION. UH, WE WILL MAKE SURE TO COORDINATE WITH OUR PARKING MANAGER AND, UH, CITY COUNCIL, AND LIKE ON THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO PARKING, IN PARTICULAR HERE AT CITY HALL. UH, WE ARE DEFINITELY COGNIZANT OF WHAT THE, THE PARKING NATURE WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THE, WE COORDINATE THAT EFFECTIVELY, AND IT COULD INCLUDE REDESIGNING OR RE, UH, DESIGNATING WHERE FLEET VEHICLES IN PARTICULARLY PARK AT TO, TO MITIGATE THOSE IMPACTS. UH, THE TWO, TWO SCOPES THAT, UH, THAT I WANNA MENTION THAT WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THE INITIAL CIP PROJECTS, UH, WERE ESSENTIALLY SCOPE SIX AND SEVEN. UH, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THE GRANT APPLICATION TO PUT IN A MICROGRID NEEDS ASSESSMENT, UH, SO THAT IT'S NOT OBLIGATING THE CITY TO SAY LIKE, GO BUILD A MICROGRID COMPONENT. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT ALL THE COMPONENT NEEDS WOULD BE FOR IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE WERE TO SAY, DO, UH, ONSITE SOLAR, AND THEN YOU HAVE BATTERY STORAGE, AND THEN AUTOMATED SYSTEMS THAT THEY ALL CAN COMMUNICATE WITH ONE ANOTHER, UH, TO EFFECTIVELY, UH, OPERATE IN A MICROGRID, UH, STYLE SETTING. UH, AND THEN WITH THE HEAT MITIGATION AND ADAPTATION STRATEGIES, UH, THAT ELEMENT WAS ADDED, UH, TO GET SOME CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS ON WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE AT OUR VARIOUS PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS GET SOME INITIAL COST ESTIMATES FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION. UH, WITH COUNCIL, UH, THE MUNICIPAL LOCATIONS THAT ARE TARGETED, UH, IN THE, UH, THE, THE PROJECTS ARE DIRECTLY REFLECTED IN THE, UH, DECARBONIZATION ROADMAP WITH ONE ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, LOCATION THAT WAS ADDED, WHICH WAS THE BOTTOM, UH, ONE, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC WORKS, UH, CHEVRON BUILDING THERE AT THE Y. UH, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THE GRANT APPLICATION TO EXPAND THE SCOPE A LITTLE BIT, AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO INCLUDE, UH, THAT BUILDING. UH, WE'RE LARGELY TARGETING OUR LARGEST, UH, ENERGY USERS, WHICH IS OUR WASTEWATER OPERATIONS POSSE, GROUNDS PARK, OUR BREWER ROAD FACILITIES HERE AT CITY HALL, AS WELL AS, UH, CONTRACTORS ROAD, THE MAINTENANCE YARD AT THOSE LOCATIONS. UH, AND SO THOSE TAKE THE MAJORITY OF LOCATIONS ARE ALL LOCATIONS THAT WERE IN THE ROADMAP. AND ADD THE ADDITIONAL ONE AT THE Y UH, TO A COVER FOR THE, THE PROJECT SCOPE, UH, THAT'S INCLUDED. UH, AND OVERALL, JUST THE ANTICIPATED TIMELINE FOR IT. UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING IT'LL TAKE ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS, UH, TO GET THROUGH IT ALL. UM, AND WE'LL BE, UH, BACK BEFORE COUNCIL, UH, NUMEROUS TIMES, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UH, ADEQUATELY ADDRESSING ANY CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE FOR IT. UH, BUT WE'RE ANTICIPATING IT'LL TAKE ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS FOR US TO, TO WRAP UP THIS PROJECT. AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS A LITTLE BIT. UH, SO AS MENTIONED, UH, WE, UH, DEVELOPED THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS IN JULY. UH, LAUNCHED IT IN, UH, AUGUST OF 18TH, UH, AUGUST 18TH. UH, THE DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSIONS WRAPPED UP ON SEPTEMBER 10TH. UH, OVERALL, 770 VENDORS, UH, WERE NOTIFIED. UH, AND WE HAD A SMALLER AMOUNT, OBVIOUSLY, THAT REVIEWED IT. UH, WE RECEIVED TWO RESPONSES. UH, I THINK IT'S KIND OF INDICATIVE OF THE NATURE OF THE SCOPE, UH, THAT WAS INCLUDED. UH, INSTEAD OF, UM, THERE WE COME ACROSS A LOT OF VENDORS THAT HAVE, UH, EXPERIENCE IN, SAY, SOLAR ON SITE COMPONENTS OR EV INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT NOT SO MUCH THAT HAVE, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE OVERLAP BETWEEN HOW ALL THE PROJECT SCOPES ALIGN WITH ONE ANOTHER. SO, UH, KIND OF LIKE NARROWED THE NICHE, UH, UH, A LITTLE BIT ON, UH, WHO APPLIED FOR IT. UH, BUT WE HAD TWO, UH, TWO RESPONSES THAT WERE RECEIVED. UH, THE HENRY SPATIAL ANALYSIS, [05:00:01] UH, LLC, UH, COMPANY WAS DISQUALIFIED. THE REQUIRED INFORMATION WAS NOT SUBMITTED AS A PART OF THEIR RESPONSE. AND THEN FOR THE A ESC GROUP, UH, SUSTAINABILITY FACILITIES AND WASTEWATER STAFF, UH, ULTIMATELY SCORED THE PROPOSAL AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE AWARD OF THAT PROPOSAL, UH, AS MENTIONED FORWARD NOT TO EXCEED THE $249,759 AND 50 CENTS. UH, AND WITH THAT, THAT'S, UH, THE, UH, THE PRESENTATION OF SLIDES THAT I HAVE FOR YOU TODAY. WELCOME. ANY QUESTIONS, UH, ON THE PROJECT? CAN I HAVE, CAN I ADD ONE THING? UM, BRYCE, CAN YOU JUST HELP EXPLAIN, LET'S SAY THAT WE IMPLEMENT ALL OF THESE PROJECTS, WE GET TO THAT PHASE WHERE WE ACTUALLY DO GO THROUGH AND IMPLEMENT ALL OF THEM. WHAT DOES THE 13 MILLION GET US IN TERMS OF OUR, UM, CARBON EMISSION REDUCTION GOAL? UH, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT, UH, UP, LAUREN. UM, THE, UH, CARBON, UH, EMISSION REDUCTION GOAL FOR THE MUNICIPALITY, UH, INITIALLY STARTED AS A LARGE CARBON NEUTRAL GOAL. WE REFINE THAT A BIT TO BE SCOPE ONE AND SCOPE TWO AND SCOPE THREES. UH, THIS PROJECT TACKLES ALL OF OUR SCOPE ONE AND SCOPE TWOS, SO ALL OF OUR CORE MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS. UH, AND SO, UH, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 50% OF OUR 2023, UH, OR 2024 MUNICIPAL EMISSIONS THAT WOULD BE TACKLED, UH, BY THIS, IT LEAVES THE SCOPE THREE, UH, PORTION KIND OF UNTOUCHED. SCOPE THREE IS LIKE YOUR, UH, EMPLOYEE COMMUTING OR, UM, LANDFILL WASTE DISPOSAL. UH, AND MOST OF OUR LANDFILL WASTE DISPOSAL IS ACTUALLY OCCURRING FROM, UH, LIKE BIOMASS, UH, SOLIDS BEING TRANSPORTED FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PROCESS. UH, SO FOR THAT PROJECT AND FOR THOSE SCOPES IN PARTICULAR, WE'D LOOK AT, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ATTRIBUTE CREDITS OR CARBON OFFSETS TO TACKLE THAT. UH, BUT THIS SCOPE OF WORK WOULD TACKLE, UH, ABOUT 50% OF OUR REMAINING EMISSIONS, UH, FROM 2024 ON THE MUNICIPAL SITE THERE. ANY QUESTIONS? YES. YEAH, GO AHEAD. YEP. THANK YOU. UM, BRYCE, COULD YOU PUT UP YOUR SECOND TO LAST SLIDE THAT WAS ON THE PROCESS, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE OUR CONTRACTS GOING HERE? GET READY FOR THE QUESTION. , DID WE OVERCOMPLICATE OUR RFP AND SORT OF PUT OURSELVES IN A BOX SO WE ONLY HAVE ONE QUALIFIED VENDOR? ARE YOU COMFORTABLE? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THAT? HAVE WE SPLIT THE RFP INTO SMALLER CHUNKS? MAYBE WE WOULD'VE GOT MORE RESPONSES, MIGHT HAVE THERE BEEN IN SAVINGS. JUST TALK TO ME ABOUT HOW YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. YEAH, I THINK IN HINDSIGHT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WOULD'VE SPLIT THIS, WE MAY HAVE, UH, CERTAINLY RECEIVED MORE RESPONSES. WE, IF WE HAD DONE, HAD DONE THREE OR MAYBE FOUR, UH, SOLICITATIONS. UM, HOWEVER, WE DID HAVE INTERESTS AT OUR PRE-SUBMIT MEETING. WE CONDUCTED, WE HAD, I BELIEVE, FOUR DIFFERENT FIRMS, UH, SHOW UP TO THAT. UM, AND SO AT THAT POINT, THINGS LOOKED OKAY. UH, THAT'S KIND OF A GOOD EXIT POINT FOR AN, UH, SOLICITATION. WHEN YOU HAVE THAT PRES, UH, THAT PRE-SUBMIT MEETING, IF THERE'S NOBODY'S SHOWING UP, OR IF CONCERNS ARE RAISED ABOUT THE SCOPE BEING, UH, TOO BROAD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEN THAT'S A GOOD TIME TO PULL, UH, MAYBE THE PLUG AND, AND REEVALUATE. UH, SO WE FELT CONFIDENT AT THAT POINT. UM, WHEN WE GOT THE TWO RESPONSES, I WAS, UH, HOPEFUL THAT THEY WOULD BOTH BE, UH, RESPONSIVE. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, ONE WAS NOT, IT WAS, UH, TOTAL OF FOUR PAGES LONG. UM, SO THAT DID NOT GO TO STAFF TO REVIEW. I DIDN'T WANNA SPEND THEIR, HAVE THEM SPEND THEIR TIME, UH, SCORING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN IT WAS UP TO THE EXPERTS IN OUR, YOU KNOW, ON OUR STAFF TO REVIEW THIS. UM, ALL OF US REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL WE RECEIVED, OR SORRY, STATEMENT OF QUALIFICATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED. IT, IT WAS COMPREHENSIVE. THEY HAD, UH, EXPERIENCE IN QUALIFICATIONS TO PERFORM THE WORK. SO WE DECIDED, LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN NEGOTIATE AS FAR AS A CONTRACT CAN GO, CAN WE, YOU KNOW, GET ESSENTIALLY THE MOST VALUE OUT OF THIS, UH, EXPERIENCED, UH, FIRM. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, IT'S SOMETHING I'M COMFORTABLE WITH. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR LOOKING AT THAT WITH, IN THAT LENS. BRYCE, THE OTHER QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK YOU WAS, UH, ALMOST FORESHADOWING TOMORROW'S CONVERSATION AND THINKING ABOUT THE PLOTS THAT YOU PUT UP ABOUT, OH, ESPECIALLY THE MUNIS CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE, UH, CARBON GASES. AND IF I RECALL, THE THREE BIGGEST SECTORS IN THE, IN THE PIE CHART, THERE WERE EMPLOYEE COMMUTE, UM, ELECTRIC FOR OUR FLEET, AND ELECTRIC FOR TRANSIT. AND IF YOU ADD THOSE THREE UP, IT'S LIKE 70% OR MORE OF THE AREA WHERE THAT GREENHOUSE GASES ARE COMING FROM. SO THEN WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR LIST OF PROJECTS [05:05:01] THAT WE'RE DOING, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF, BUT WHEN WE FOCUS A PROJECT ON THE SMALLER CONTRIBUTION AREAS, FOR ME, THE RETURN HAS TO BE MORE THAN JUST DECARBONIZATION. NOW, YOU HAD SAID IN YOUR REMARKS THAT WE'RE DOING THESE AT THE END OF LIFE, OF THE CURRENT SYSTEMS GOOD. IN ADDITION, ARE THESE PROJECTS PAYING FOR THEMSELVES FISCALLY ON THEIR OWN MERITS OVER SOME TIMEFRAME INDEPENDENT OF THE GREENHOUSE GAS STUFF, RIGHT? LIKE, I, I BOUGHT SOLAR FOR MY HOME. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE YEARS OF RETURN AND, AND, BUT IT WILL EVENTUALLY PAY OFF LIKE MANY OF THESE GREEN THINGS THAT WE ASK BUILDERS TO DO, HIGH COST AT THE START, MAYBE COST SAVINGS IN THE LONG TERM. ARE ALL OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE DOING IN THE SMALLER WEDGE SHAPES THAT NOT GONNA HELP OUR CARBON OFFSET OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION GOALS THAT MUCH? DO THEY INDEPENDENTLY MAKE SENSE FISCALLY FROM A, THE FISCAL SIDE OF THINGS? I WOULD SAY THE ONE PROJECT, UM, THE ONE PROJECT IN PARTICULAR THAT HAS, UH, MORE OF A DIFFICULTY ON THE SAVING SIDE OF THINGS IS ACTUALLY HVAC ELECTRIFICATION. UH, WHEN WE, UH, CONVERT THE HVAC, UH, UNITS OVER TO ELECTRICITY, THEY, UM, USE A LITTLE BIT MORE ELECTRICITY AND WILL IN, UH, REQUIRE, UM, A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE OVERALL ELECTRICITY, UH, CONSUMPTION. AND THEN INHERENTLY THE OPERATIONAL COST WILL INCREASE A LITTLE BIT. UM, I DON'T REMEMBER HAVE THAT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD ON, ON WHAT THE ROADMAP WAS INITIALLY ESTIMATING FOR, BUT I DO REMEMBER HVAC ELECTRIFICATION WAS MORE OF THE, WAS THE ONE THAT WOULD HAVE MORE OF A STRUGGLE. UH, THE HVAC ELECTRIFICATION ALSO TACKLES ESSENTIALLY OUR, OUR NATURAL GAS USAGE, WHICH IS A SMALLER, UH, COMPONENT OF OUR, UH, OVERALL EMISSIONS. UH, I THINK IT WAS, UH, AND I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 73 METRIC TONS OR SO FOR THE MUNICIPAL SIDE OF THINGS, UH, WHICH I WILL DEFINITELY CONFIRM THAT NUMBER WHEN WE TALK TO YOU AGAIN TOMORROW. UH, BUT THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF LIKE A, A BIG PUSH IN TERMS OF BOTH THE, UH, FISCAL PAYOFF FOR IT AS WELL AS JUST THE, THE KIND OF THE SIZE CHUNK OF THE EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS. UM, IF AS WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AS LIKE DECARBONIZATION THE WHOLE THING, THEN IT IS STILL THAT ELEMENT OF LIKE, HEY, CAN WE TACKLE THIS AS WELL? BUT IN TERMS OF THE SCOPE AS A WHOLE, PICKING OUT ONE OF THOSE, I WOULD SAY HVAC ELECTRIFICATION IS THE ONE THAT'S THE MOST CHALLENGING. UH, THE EV INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, THE INITIAL ROADMAP, UH, HAD A, UH, IN MY VIEW KIND OF, UH, THE B'S KNEES, SO TO SPEAK, OF HAVING CHARGING STATIONS AND CHARGING PORTS AVAILABLE FOR EVERY SINGLE, UH, FLEET VEHICLE THAT WE HAD OUT THERE THAT MAKES IT TO WHERE THE COST TO DO THAT IS DRIVEN UP A LOT. UM, INITIALLY WAS SETTING AN ESTIMATE, UM, OR A RECOMMENDATION OF TRYING TO TARGET LIKE 85 OR SO, UH, CHARGING SPACES ACROSS MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS. UH, WE FURTHER DID A A PS, UH, A STUDY WITH A PS ON MANAGED CHARGING THAT'S REDUCED THAT NUMBER SIGNIFICANTLY. UH, SO I BELIEVE WE CAN DRIVE DOWN THE COST OF THAT EV INFRASTRUCTURE PIECE. UM, THAT IS GONNA SEE AS THE FLEET TRANSITIONS, WE'RE GONNA SEE FUEL SAVINGS, UH, THAT, UM, OUR INITIAL ESTIMATES WOULD BE ABLE TO, THAT WOULD PAY FOR ITSELF OVER A, UM, I'LL CONFIRM THIS AGAIN, BUT IT'LL, IT'LL PAY FOR ITS, UH, BE ABLE TO HAVE A PRETTY, UH, DECENT ROI ON THAT PIECE FOR THE EV INFRASTRUCTURE ELEMENT TO IT. UH, THE SOLAR IS, UH, SIMILAR. THAT ONE HAS A, A GOOD ROI, UH, RETURN ON IT WITHIN THE, THE TIMEFRAME FOR IT. THE AVERAGE LIFESPAN OF THOSE IS 20, 25 YEARS. UH, THE, THAT ONE HAS A PRETTY SOLID RETURN. THE ONE THAT DRIVES UP THE COST ON THE EV OR NOT, SORRY, ON THE SOLAR SIDE OF THINGS, IS JUST CONTRACTORS ROAD. UH, WHEN OUR, WE INITIALLY LOOKED AT POTENTIALLY PUTTING SOLAR AT THAT LOCATION, UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE AT THAT SITE WOULD HAVE TO BE UPGRADED TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL WEIGHT OF THE SOLAR, WHICH KIND OF DRIVES UP THE COST, UH, FOR THAT. UH, THE GOAL AND WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR IS DECARBONIZATION PLANNING AND DESIGN, IS THAT WE CAN GET TO A SPOT WHERE WE CAN HAVE, UH, BOTH, UH, A KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE PACKET THAT CAN THEN BE ABLE TO GET US THE, UH, ENGINEERING COST ESTIMATES, FURTHER REFINE THOSE NUMBERS, UH, AND ALSO BE MORE COMPETITIVE IN FUTURE GRANTS AND THE LIKE. UH, IF THAT HELP, IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, IT DOES. AND, YOU KNOW, EXPECTED YOU HAD ALL THE DATA AT THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD AND CAN SPEAK TO IT JUST INTELLIGENTLY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU SCARED ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HVAC ELECTRIFICATION, HAVING CHOSEN MYSELF TO GO HEAT PUMP , BUT THINKING THAT MY PV WAS GONNA HELP ME OFFSET THAT COST, IS THE PV THAT WE'RE DOING IN YOUR CALCULATIONS, MAYBE OFFSETTING THAT INCREASED HVAC ELECTRIFICATION COST? UH, YES. THE, THE SOLAR, UH, PV PIECE [05:10:01] WOULD BE A LARGE DRIVER OF THAT COST REDUCTION, BUT YOU STILL THINK LONG TERM IT MIGHT BE COSTING US MONEY TO DO A LESS CARBON INTENSE THING FOR THE HVAC ELECTRIFICATION. IT IS AN INCREASE, BUT IT WASN'T A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE. UH, BUT I CAN GET YOU A DEFINITIVE NUMBER, UH, BY TOMORROW FOR SURE. I TRUST YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS, SO THANK YOU, BRIAN. THANK YOU. COME HERE, BRYCE ON, UH, SLIDE SIX, NEXT PAGE. I THINK IT IS LIKE, I JUST WONDER HOW MUCH OF THIS DO WE REALLY NEED TO PAY A THIRD PARTY TO SPECIFY AT THIS STAGE AS OPPOSED TO LIKE THE HVAC EQUIPMENT, ELECTRIFICATION? GOOD EXAMPLE. IF WE'VE IDENTIFIED ALREADY THE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT ARE GONNA BE END OF LIFE, WE KNOW WE WANNA REPLACE THEM, WHY ARE WE NOT ABLE TO WALK SOME VENDORS IN AND POINT AT THESE THINGS AND GO, WE WANT AN ELECTRIC REPLACEMENT FOR THIS. WHY DO WE HAVE TO PAY FOR DESIGN WORK IN THE MEANTIME? CAN YOU HELP ME BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT? UH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THE H ESPECIALLY IN PARTICULAR WITH THE HVAC, UH, IT'S NOT, UM, A QUICK JUST LIKE SWAP OUT OF A NATURAL GAS SYSTEM OVER TO THE ELECTRIC, UH, EQUIVALENT, UH, THAT THE, UH, ELECTRICAL CAPACITY UPGRADES THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED TO SUPPORT, UH, AN AN, UM, AN HVAC SWAP MIGHT NECESSITATE AN ELECTRICAL CAPACITY, UH, UPGRADE AT THE SAME POINT. UH, SO AS THAT PROCESS GOES THROUGH, UH, AND TO DESIGN TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE ALL THE ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS, UH, IN THERE FOR THAT TRANSITION, UH, IT'S BENEFICIAL FOR US TO KIND OF BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE HOW THOSE ALL INTERACT WITH ONE ANOTHER. UH, THEN US SAYING WE NEED A CERTAIN SIZE CAPACITY TO MEET EV AND SOLAR, AND WE SIZED IT ONE WAY AND THEN DOWN THE ROAD WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA SWAP OUT THE HVAC SYSTEMS NOW AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN LIKE, OH, WE GOTTA GO BACK AND UPGRADE THE ELECTRICAL CAPACITY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T INITIALLY CONSIDER THAT AND THAT DESIGN PIECE. SO I THINK FROM AN EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT OF HOW THEY ALL IN INTERACT TOGETHER, I THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE DESIGN UPFRONT. OKAY. BUT I STILL FEEL LIKE WOULDN'T THESE COMMERCIAL VENDORS BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE AS PART OF THEIR QUOTATION FOR REPLACING THIS EQUIPMENT? I MEAN, WOULDN'T WE EXPECT THEM TO ASSESS AND TELL US WHAT WE NEED? I THINK THE ASPECT WHERE YOU HAVE, UH, AN HVAC SYSTEM THAT FOR THIS INSTANCE OR THE LIKE, THAT, UH, IS NAVIGATING ON SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVEN'T FULLY FLESHED OUT, UM, WITH IT, WHERE IT'S LIKE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S CERTAIN SECTIONS THAT WE WANT TO CONVERT AND TRANSITION OVER, THAT DESIGN PIECE IS GONNA SHOW UP IN THEIR COST THAT THEY GIVE US. THEY'RE GONNA TELL US SWAPPING OVER 37 HVAC UNITS TO GAS IS GONNA COST A DESIGN TO MAKE SURE TO DO IT EFFECTIVELY. SO INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING IT AND WAITING FOR THAT DESIGN PIECE IN THERE, THE IDEA IS TO COMBINE ALL OF THEM TO IMPROVE ON EFFICIENCY. SO I DON'T HAVE SEVEN DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS GIVING ME DIFFERENT QUOTES AND ESTIMATES FOR THE DESIGN PIECE. I CAN GET THAT ALL UNDER ONE UMBRELLA TO GET THE DESIGN TO BE A COMPREHENSIVE PACKAGE. GOOD ANSWER. I DON'T WANT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE WITH YOU. I STILL JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE PAYING THESE GUYS AND WE'RE STILL GONNA PAY THOSE CONTRACTORS IN THE END. THEY'RE GONNA DO THE SAME ANALYSIS STILL. THAT'S MY IMPRESSION. AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA BE ARGUMENTATIVE. IT'S 10 AFTER 10. WE NEED TO KEEP MOVING. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, UH, A MOTION PLEASE. YOU HAVEN'T MADE ANY MOTIONS TONIGHT AT ALL. I'M MAKING MOTION RIGHT NOW. , I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SYSTEMS CONSULTANTS, INC. A ESC FOR PLANNING AND DESIGN SERVICES FOR DECARBONIZATION PROJECTS FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $249,759 AND 50 CENTS. SECOND. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. THANK YOU BRYCE. THANK YOU. NOW THIS IS A TOUGH ONE, . OH, IT'S GONNA BE TWO BIG [9.g. AB 3305 Discussion/possible action to approve the purchase of 13 new Police Department vehicles through Arizona State contracts in the amount of $1,246,000.] AB 33 0 5 DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF 13 NEW POLICE DEPARTMENT VEHICLES THROUGH ARIZONA STATE CONTRACTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,246,000. WELCOME [05:15:01] COMMANDER. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UM, CHRIS, DO PATROL COMMANDER. UM, OBVIOUSLY I HAVE OUR PROCUREMENT SPECIALIST NEXT TO US. HE'S GONNA ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS FOR US. AND THEN I HAVE THE CHIEF, UM, I DO NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION. UM, WHAT I HAVE FOR CONSIDERATION IS THE PURCHASE OF 13 NEW POLICE DEPARTMENT VEHICLES THROUGH THE ARIZONA STATE CONTRACTS FOR THE AMOUNT OF $1,246,000. UM, THIS WAS ALL BUDGETED IN THIS LAST YEAR. FIVE OF THEM ARE REPLACEMENT VEHICLES AND THE OTHER ONES ARE FOR THE POSITIONS THAT WERE APPROVED. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I WAS GONNA ASK YOU HOW YOU'RE DOING ON THE RECRUITING AND HIRING OF THE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS? MM-HMM . UH, I CAN ANSWER THAT, MAYOR. UH, SO CURRENTLY, UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS IN RECRUITMENT AND HIRING. HOWEVER, SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS WERE BACKFILLING OPENINGS THAT WE ALREADY HAD EXISTING OR DUE TO RETIREMENTS. SO OF THE NINE THAT WERE ALLOTTED, WE ARE THREE POSITIONS INTO THE NINE NEW POSITIONS. SO WE'VE HAD OVER, I THINK 11 NEW HIRES, NINE OF THOSE BEING SWORN. HOWEVER, AGAIN, THOSE WERE BACKFILLING. AND THEN, SO THREE, THREE INTO THE NINE. SEE, I KNEW YOU HAD PLENTY OF MONEY TO PAY FOR THAT SIREN OR YOUR SAVINGS. WE'RE STILL USING THE APPROACH WE AGREED TO OF THE PHASE IN OF THESE POSITIONS. . OKAY. SO WHAT ARE, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE VEHICLES THAT YOU ARE BUYING? WELL, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM, WE HAVE LISTED RIGHT NOW POLICE INTERCEPTORS, WHICH IS OUR CURRENT FLEET. UM, WE ALSO HAVE SOME, UH, CHEVY TAHOES. THOSE ARE GONNA BE SPECIALTY VEHICLES, ONE BEING FOR A CANINE VEHICLE, UM, BECAUSE THE INTERCEPTOR DOESN'T QUITE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR A DOG AND THE EQUIPMENT. AND THEN THE OTHER TWO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE F-150, UM, POLICE VEHICLES. ONE IS FOR THE UM, UH, COMMERCIAL VEHICLE INSPECTOR BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO CARRY WEIGHTS AROUND AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. THEY CARRY A LOT OF EQUIPMENT. AND THE LAST ONE IS FOR OUR, UM, COMMUNITY OUTREACH OFFICER. UM, I SAID THAT RIGHT, RIGHT? MM-HMM . PRETTY LATE COMMUNITY OUTREACH OFFICER. UM, AND THEY'RE GETTING A F-150 SO THAT WHEN THEY GO TO DO CAMPS AND THEY GO OUT AND FIND ABANDONED PROPERTY, THEY CAN, IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO JUST THROW IT IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK AND TAKE IT TO THE DUMP RATHER THAN HAVE TO CALL ANOTHER RESOURCE OUT FOR IT. HOWEVER, UH, WITH THAT CAVEAT, UM, ALL MANUFACTURERS RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY HAVE CHALLENGES. SO ONCE WE GET THIS, UM, IF YOU APPROVE IT TONIGHT, WE PUT IT OUT AND THEN WE MAKE SURE THE VEHICLES ARE AVAILABLE. UM, THERE WAS A F-150 ALUMINUM PLANT FIRE, WHICH MAY PUT A KINK INTO IT. UM, SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE IS REALLY ON THE PAGE. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, UM, BECAUSE THAT IS OUR GOAL. BUT, UM, WE'LL HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT FLEXIBLE IF WE RUN INTO ANY MANUFACTURER PROBLEMS. ANY QUESTIONS. AND YOU ALSO, YOU ALSO NOTICE THAT THERE'S FOUR OUTFITTERS ON THERE. UM, THE OUTFITTERS HAVE THE SAME, WE HAVE FOUR OF 'EM ON THERE BECAUSE, UM, WE'VE FOUND THAT PUTTING OUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET, LIKE SENDING IT ALL TO ONE, DOESN'T QUITE WORK OUT FOR US. WE HAVE TO SEE WHO HAS THE CAPACITY TO DO IT, WHO CAN DO IT. UM, AND THE GOAL IS TO STRETCH IT OVER A COUPLE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS WITH THE SAME BLUEPRINT. WE HAVE A BLUEPRINT OF WHAT WE WANT, UM, AND THEY PRODUCE THAT FOR US SO THAT WE CAN GET THE VEHICLES A LITTLE BIT QUICKER AND OR, UM, THERE'S BEEN PROBLEMS IN THE PAST WHEN YOU GIVE SOMEBODY EIGHT OR NINE VEHICLES, IT TAKES NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR TO GET 'EM OUT. AND WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T AFFORD THAT. HAS THE SUPPLY CHAIN IMPROVED? IT HAS IMPROVED. UM, BUT IT STILL HAS ITS, IT STILL HAS ITS CHALLENGES. ANY QUESTIONS? I WANNA REMIND COUNSEL THAT LAST YEAR WE DIRECTED, UM, THE OUTRIGHT PURCHASE OF THESE VEHICLES INSTEAD OF THE LEASING ARRANGEMENT THAT WE HAD. SO THAT'S WHY THE PRICE IS WHAT IT IS. CORRECT. MAYOR, QUESTION. COMMANDER DELL, THE BLUEPRINT THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR UP OUTFITTING FOR, IS THAT A SEDONA SPECIAL? IS IT COMMON WITH OTHER AGENCIES AS WELL? JUST WONDERING WHAT THE DEMAND ON THE UPFITTER IS. IS IT UNIQUELY SEDONA? IT'S NOT UNIQUELY, UNIQUELY SEDONA. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE LIKE TO DO HERE, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, ALL THE PARTS ARE THE SAME AND IT'S NOTHING SPECIAL. UM, IT'S JUST WE MIGHT LIKE A BRAND, LIKE RIGHT NOW WE'RE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH ONE BRAND OF LIGHTS, SO WE'LL GO WITH THE OTHER BRAND. 'CAUSE THERE'S ONLY REALLY TWO BRANDS. SO, UM, AGAIN, IT KIND OF GOES, IT FLOWS AND IT'S NOT LIKE BUYING A FIRE TRUCK, NO , UH, [05:20:01] NO CRITICISM TO THE FIRE. WELL, AND YEAH, AND JUST, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, WE GET 13 VEHICLES FOR THIS, WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOU'D GET ONE. SO, WELL, AND A LOT OF LIKE WHAT OUR BLUEPRINT IS, IS SO THAT DEPENDING ON IF ONE OFFICER WENT INTO ANY OF THE CARS, THEY LOOK THE SAME. SO THEY'RE NOT SPENDING TIME GETTING USED TO THAT. THAT'S WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT ABOUT OUR BLUEPRINT VERSUS WHO, WHO MAKES THAT PARTICULAR PART. IT'S THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S REALLY LATE. MY BRAIN IS DEFINITELY SHUTTING DOWN. UM, WE JUST WANT THAT SO THAT WHEN THEY GO FROM CAR TO CAR, IT LOOKS THE SAME. THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING DISTRACTED BY TRYING TO FIND THE LEVER FOR THE LIGHTS OR THE SIREN THAT THEY CAN GO INTO ANY CAR AND HAVE THE SAME LOOK. YEAH. WHEN YOU'RE, I GET THAT COMMONALITY IS A BEAUTIFUL THING WITHIN A DEPARTMENT. MY QUESTION WAS REALLY, DO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE STATE USE KIND OF A COMMON LAYOUT AND SEDONA HAS SOMETHING UNIQUE AND IT COSTS US TWICE AS MUCH? NO. NO SIR. WE, UH, IN FACT, I THINK, UM, WE'RE FISCALLY RIGHT WHERE WE SHOULD BE. 'CAUSE WE, UH, WE, WE REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO, UM, THE LITTLE PIECES. I GO THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THOSE BUILD OUTS. 'CAUSE THE BUILD OUT'S REALLY WHERE THAT MONEY IS. SO WE GO THROUGH 'EM AND MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT, AND UM, AND IT'S, AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT FOR MAINTENANCE ISSUES TOO. 'CAUSE IF WE HAVE THE SAME, YOU KNOW, BLUEPRINT THAT WE CAN TAKE IT TO SOMEBODY AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, ARE WE READY? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MAYOR. YES, PLEASE DO. READY? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF 13. WE HAVE, SORRY. I'M SORRY. WE HAVE A COMMENT CARD. GOOD EVENING COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PER AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, THE ANSWER IS CLEAR. THE COUNCIL SHOULD NOT BE VOTING TO BUY 13 NEW POLICE CARS. THE COUNCIL SHOULD NOT BE VOTING TO BUY ANY NEW POLICE CARS. LEMME GIVE THE COUNCIL A LITTLE HISTORICAL REALITY CHECK AND, UH, I ENCOURAGE THEM TO VERIFY THESE NUMBERS FOR THEMSELVES BY CHECKING OUT THE 1990 ARIZONA COMMUNITY PROFILE FOR SEDONA. YOU SEE, IN 1990, SEDONA HAD CLOSE TO THE SAME NUMBER OF POPULATION IT HAS TODAY. SUPPOSEDLY THE SAME ESTIMATED NUMBER OF TOURISTS, WHICH WE ALL KNOW NOW AS A THREE TIMES OVER ESTIMATE AND FOR POLICING, IT HAD A TOTAL OF 15 COPS, NOT 40 ISH COPS AND 20 ISH SUPPORT PERSONNEL, 15 COPS TO DEAL WITH MORE PROBLEMS BECAUSE BACK THEN CRIME IN SEDONA WAS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. AS SEDONAS OWN STATISTICS SHOW, CRIME NATIONALLY WAS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. WE WERE STILL IN THE PERIOD OF THE EFFECTS OF LEADED GASOLINE, NOT HAVING WORKED OUTTA THE POPULATION. AND SEDONAS POPULATION WAS A LOT YOUNGER BACK THEN TOO. SEDONAS POPULATION HAS AGED BY ALMOST 10 YEARS ON AVERAGE IN THE PAST 20. AND PEOPLE OVER THE AGE OF 55, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FBI STATISTICS ARE NOT VERY LIKELY TO BE COMMITTING CRIME. SO NO, THERE IS NO BOGEY MAN IN THE BUSHES THAT WE NEED THIS ENORMOUS MILITARIZED POLICE BUILDUP FOR. VOTE ACCORDINGLY. NOW. YOU MAY MAKE A MOTION. THANK YOU AM MAYOR. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF 13 NEW POLICE DEPARTMENT VEHICLES THROUGH ARIZONA STATE CONTRACTS IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,246,000 AS OUTLINED. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY, WE'RE UNANIMOUS. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, [9.h. AB 3066 Discussion/possible action regarding future meeting/agenda items.] AB 30 66. DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FUTURE MEETING AGENDA ITEMS. MELISSA, DO, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? SURE. SO I THINK ONE OF THE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF AN EARLIER ITEM ON OUR AGENDA POINTS TO THE FACT THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AROUND ARE THERE LDC CHANGES THAT WE WOULD WANT THAT WOULD HELP US MOVE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING ALONG FASTER BY HAVING ITEMS IN PLACE IN OUR CODES THAT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WE CAN JUST ALLOW STAFF TO DO WITHOUT US HAVING TO, UM, REVIEW. AND SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT AGENDIZED FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LDC? YES, I'M SUPER SUPPORTIVE. THAT WANNA ASK STAFF WHETHER THEY ALREADY FEEL THAT THEY HAVE THAT DIRECTION OR IS THAT GOOD DIRECTION FROM TONIGHT? NO, I SAY WE, WE NEED TO CONSULT WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. THEY'RE ONES THAT LEAD THOSE CHANGES UP GENERALLY WITH INPUT FROM [05:25:01] THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. BUT, UM, WE DID GET A LOT OF GOOD INPUT TONIGHT, UM, BUT WE'D PROBABLY NEED MORE BEFORE WE FELT COMFORTABLE BRINGING ANYTHING BACK. SUPER SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU MELISSA. AND [11. ADJOURNMENT] WE'RE ADJOURNED UNTIL TWO O'CLOCK TOMORROW. OKAY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.