* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] OKAY, WE'RE GONNA [1. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/MOMENT OF SILENCE ] GET STARTED. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF SEDONA COUNCIL MEETING. EXCUSE ME. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS COUNCIL MEETING IN SESSION AT 2:00 PM ON WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 10TH. AND I'M GONNA ASK EVERYONE TO PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. AND NOW A MOMENT OF SILENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I WANNA DEDICATE THIS MOMENT OF SILENCE TO ARTIST JAN SITS WHO PASSED AWAY LAST NIGHT. SO WE WISH HER WELL ON HER JOURNEY. UH, MADAME CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE ROLL CALL? DEPUTY CLERK. MADAME. DEPUTY CLERK MAYOR PLU. HERE. VICE MAYOR FOLTZ. PRESENT. COUNCILOR DUNN. HERE. COUNCILOR FURMAN. PRESENT. COUNSELOR HOSSAINI. I SEE HER. SHE COULD HEAR MAYBE SHE JUST DIDN'T HEAR. HMM. CAN YOU HEAR US COUNSELOR HOSNI? WELL, SHE, WE'LL FIX THAT. IN THE MEANTIME, SHE'S PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY. COUNSELOR KINSELLA. EXCUSED. COUNCILOR FAFF HERE. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR COMING. UH, WE'LL START [3.a. AB 3294 Presentation/discussion regarding concepts proposed by community members for possible consideration in the Western Gateway Master Plan. ] WITH AB 32 94 PRESENTATION DISCUSSION REGARDING CONCEPTS PROPOSED BY COMMUNITY MEMBERS FOR POSSIBLE CONSIDERATION IN THE WESTERN GATEWAY MASTER PLAN. AND I GUESS WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE FILM FESTIVAL FOLLOWED BY ALAN ALPHA AND THEN THE CULTURAL PARK 2.0. UH, MY NAME IS, UH, BOB LEWIS. I AM A DID WE GET THE CHAIR? WE GET THIS, DON'T WE? ? I'VE BEEN WAITING ALL THIS TIME. I THINK THE, THIS TABLE, UH, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, ANDY, UM, IS GONNA BE INTRODUCING THE ITEM REAL QUICK. OKAY. DID YOU WELL, I THINK THE MAYOR DID AN EXCELLENT JOB. OKAY. BUT, UH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, SO I'LL LET YOU TAKE IT AWAY. GREAT. THANKS. ALL READY? UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS BOB LEWIS. I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF THE, UH, FILM FESTIVAL. WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL TODAY OUR VISION OF WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP CREATE AT THE, UH, WESTERN GATEWAY PLAZA. THERE'S A PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE THAT WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN. OUR IDEA, THE FILM FESTIVAL SUPPORT'S IDEA IS TO DEVELOP A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING THAT CAN BE KIND OF A CROWN JEWEL ENTERING SEDONA FROM THE COTTONWOOD AREA. UM, WE THINK IT WILL ENHANCE THE, CONTINUE TO ENHANCE THE REPUTATION OF THE FILM FESTIVAL, WHICH HAS A VERY UNIQUE AND POSITIVE REPUTATION NATIONALLY AND INTERNATIONALLY, BUT ALSO CREATE SOME POSITIVE ACTIVITY FOR, UM, THIS CONTINUE TO CREATE POSITIVE ACTIVITY, ACTIVITY FOR THE CENTER. SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO TODAY IS SHOW YOU THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE PRELIMINARY, BUT, UH, WE PRETTY MUCH COALESCED AROUND LOOKING AT THESE, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS, UH, RESONATES WITH WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DOING SOMETHING ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND I'M PAT SCHWEISS, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE SEDONA INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL. AND I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY I LOVE BEING AT THIS TABLE, , . UM, BUT, UH, IF I WOULDN'T SAY THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR YOUR FUNDING DECISION LAST NIGHT FOR US IN THE ART CENTER. SO THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. I'VE GOT SOME BOARD MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE, AND WE ALL SET AND, AND, AND HERE. AND WE ALL SHARE AND SEND OUR THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND, UM, I'LL MAKE THIS FAIRLY BRIEF. I CAN GO THROUGH THIS FAIRLY QUICKLY 'CAUSE MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN IN MY OFFICE AND SEEN THESE PLANS, UH, INDIVIDUALLY. UM, AND TALK TO US ABOUT THIS AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS JOURNEY. AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE OTHER TWO GROUPS THAT ARE PRESENTING TODAY. AND BOTH OF THEM HAVE US WRITTEN INTO THEIR PLANS, UM, IN THE SPOT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WE WANNA BE, UH, THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN, IN THE WESTERN GATEWAY PROPERTY. SO, I'LL GO THROUGH THIS AND FEEL FREE, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WHEN IT'S ALL THROUGH, OR INTERRUPT ME ANYTIME. ALRIGHT, JOANNE, WE'RE READY. SO, SO PATRICK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN AUDIENCE OUT THERE WHO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN IN YOUR OFFICE. OKAY. I'LL GO THROUGH EVERYTHING AS IF YOU'RE HEARING IT [00:05:01] FOR THE FIRST TIME. IS THAT POSSIBLE, ? ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA PULL THIS UP ON THE SCREEN, AND WE JUST WANTED TO, UH, SHARE OUR VISION FOR THE FUTURE EXPANSION AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY PROPERTY, THE CULTURAL PARK PROPERTY. AND, UM, THE, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU, FIRST OF ALL, NOW THESE DRAWINGS ARE FROM LAST APRIL. SO I KNOW THAT THE PRO THE PLANS HAVE KIND OF, SORT OF SHIFTED AND CHANGED. BUT THE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE INTERESTED ON IN AS THE CIRCLED PINK AREA, THE MIXED USE AREA RIGHT THERE, UM, THAT'S BY THAT LITTLE RIGHT TURN LANE GOING INTO THE PROPERTY THAT IS ADJACENT TO HIGHWAY 89 A. WE VERY MUCH WANT HIGHWAY 89 A FRONTAGE. UM, SO THAT'S THE PIECE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, FOR THE THEATER, FOR PARKING, AND FOR OVERFLOW PARKING. UM, AND THE NICE PART ABOUT THIS IS NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THE CULTURAL PARK, THE AMPHITHEATER, OPEN SPACE HOUSING, IT WOULDN'T AFFECT OUR AREA. WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE A VERY WELCOME THING TO THE NEW NEIGHBORHOOD OR TO THE AMPHITHEATER, THE CULTURAL, UH, DESTINATION IN SEDONA. SO WHATEVER HAPPENS ON THE BACK PROPERTY, WE FEEL WE'VE GOT A REALLY GREAT SPOT THAT CAN ACCENTUATE WHATEVER YOU DECIDE TO PUT BACK THERE. SO THAT'S THE SPOT WE'RE LOOKING AT. JOANNE, THE NEXT ONE, I THINK IS JUST A CLOSEUP OF THAT SPOT. UM, THIS WAS FROM ANY OF YOU THAT WERE AROUND WHEN THE AMPHITHEATER WAS, WAS OPERATIONAL, 2000 TO 2003. YOU'LL KNOW THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT HAND TURN LANE THAT TOOK YOU TO THE OVERFLOW PARKING AREA FOR THE AMPHITHEATER. SO IT'S A ROAD THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN GRAVEL FORM. AND, UM, THIS IS THE CONCEPT WE'VE COME UP WITH. AND MANY OF YOU THAT I'VE TALKED TO, AND SOME OF YOU WHO ARE HEARING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME, UM, WE WERE ACTUALLY GONNA BE LOOKING AT BUYING OUR BUILDING THAT WE'RE IN. UH, BUT WE COULDN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE LANDLORD ON THE PRICING FOR THE BUILDING, AND WE COULDN'T DO THE FUTURE EXPANSION, THE NUMBER OF, UH, THEATERS AND SEATS THAT WE WANT TO ADD IN THE FUTURE, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE PROPERTIES, UH, TO BUILD THIS THEATER AND TO EXPAND, UH, WHAT WE OFFER SEDONA. SO THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT OUR, WHERE WE WOULD SIT ON THAT PROPERTY, THE THEATERS BEING RIGHT UP CLOSE TO THE, TO THE ROAD. AND WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU A CLOSEUP OF THE THEATER. SO DON'T GET TOO LONG. CAN YOU GO BACK JUST A SECOND? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JOANNE. UM, THE, SO WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU HOW IT SITS ON THE PROPERTY PIECE. AND WE'VE WRAPPED PARKING AROUND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING SO THAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING PARKING NECESSARILY FROM THE ROAD. UM, AND BUILT INTO THE LANDSCAPING OF THE CURRENT TOPOGRAPHY THERE. THE OVERFLOW PARKING WOULD BE ON THE SMALLER LOT ACROSS, ACROSS THE ROAD. AND WE'RE ADHERING TO THE FACT JOHN SAY THERE ARE ARCHITECT DID THESE DRAWINGS, HE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY, AND WE REALIZE THAT THERE'S A FORMULA OF YOU NEED ONE PARKING SPOT FOR EVERY THREE THEATER SEATS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, ACCOMMODATING WITH THAT. AND OF COURSE, NOT ALL, I WISH ALL FOUR THEATERS WOULD BE FULL ALL THE TIME. THEY WILL NOT BE, UM, UH, OTHER THAN FILM FESTIVAL TIME. AND WE HAVE A PARKING SHUTTLE PLAN, UH, PLANNED FOR THAT. SO WE FEEL THAT IT'S A REALLY GOOD FIT. WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING, MOVING TRAFFIC AROUND AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. THANK YOU. AND HERE'S OUR COMPLEX IDEA FOR THE FOUR THEATERS THAT WE WANT TO DO. SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, IS THERE A WAY TO SHOW A LITTLE GOING AROUND ON HERE? OH, THERE IS, YES. OH, Y'ALL CAN WATCH THIS. YEAH. YEAH. WELL, YOU CAN DO THIS. COOL. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OUR EXISTING MARY D. FISHER AND ALICE GILL SHELDON THEATER. UM, CURRENTLY WE ARE GONNA BRING THOSE OVER HERE TO THE PROPERTY, REBUILD THEM AS, HERE'S THE A HUNDRED SEAT THEATER IN ITS CURRENT EXISTENCE. ALICE GILL SHELDON RIGHT NOW IS 43 SEATS. IT'S NOT QUITE BIG ENOUGH. WE NEED TO EXPAND THAT. SO WE'RE EITHER GONNA MAKE THAT 75 SEATS OR A HUNDRED SEATS TO MATCH, AND WE MAY HAVE TWO MIRROR MIRRORING THEATERS. WE'RE GONNA KEEP A STAGE ON THOSE THEATERS BECAUSE WE REALLY FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A PLACE FOR LOCAL MUSICIANS TO PERFORM AND LOCAL ACTS TO PERFORM THAT NEED A SMALL, INTIMATE SPACE. THE LIVE THEATER, THE LIVE MUSIC VENUES HAVE GONE AWAY IN SEDONA. THERE'S VERY FEW OF THEM OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, BARS AND THINGS. SO FOR PERFORMANCE SPACES, WE WANNA EQUIP BOTH OF THESE WITH THAT. AND THEN IF YOU'RE GONNA, I'M GONNA JUMP TO THE BIGGEST OF THE SPACES. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SADONA IS MISSING IS A 300 TO 350 SEAT MUSIC PERFORMANCE HALL. UH, THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS MODELED EXACTLY AFTER THE MUSICAL INSTRUMENT MUSEUM IN PHOENIX. IT'S THE EXACT BLUEPRINT OF THE MUSICAL INSTRUMENT MUSEUM IN PHOENIX, BECAUSE IT, EVERYONE RAVES ABOUT THAT HAVING THE BEST SOUND OF ANY LIVE VENUE, UH, IN THE STATE. SO WE LOVE THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. THE SEDONA PERFORMING ARTS CENTER SERVES A VERY IMPORTANT AND VITAL ROLE IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT IT IS VERY HARD TO FILL 750 SEATS. UM, WE, LAST NIGHT WE HAD A CHRISTMAS SHOW IN THERE THAT, UM, WE SOLD 250 SEATS TO, AND IT LOOKED HALF EMPTY. BUT IN A 300 TO 350 SEAT THEATER, IT WOULD LOOK ALMOST FULL. SO ILLUSION IS EVERYTHING. AND YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A NICE INTIMATE PERFORMING SPACE. WE'RE, UH, WE'VE BEEN IN TALKS WITH CHAMBER MUSIC, SEDONA AND THE SEDONA SYMPHONY AND SEDONA CHAMBER BALLET. THIS IS THE PERFECT SIZE FOR THEM TO BRING THEIR PROGRAMS OVER HERE FOR A MORE FULL, UM, EXPERIENCE AND STILL RENT THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER FOR ALL THE BIG, BIG, BIG EVENTS THAT [00:10:01] WILL ATTRACT BETWEEN 500 AND 750 PEOPLE. SO THAT'S OUR ANSWER TO THAT. AND FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE WOULD EQUIP IT AS A MOVIE THEATER, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT ALL START TO SEE THIS PATTERN DEVELOPING THAT WE'RE HOPING BY US BUILDING A FOURTH THEATER COMPLEX, AND I'LL GET TO THE FOURTH VENUE IN A SECOND, UM, FOR THE FILM FESTIVAL, WE WON'T HAVE TO RENT THE TWO HARKINS MOVIE THEATERS THAT WE DO. WE WOULD HAVE OUR TWO THEATERS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, THE 350 THEATER. AND THIS ADDITIONAL THEATER HERE WOULD TAKE THE PLACE OF THE TWO HARKINS THEATERS. WE WOULD RENT, WE WOULD STILL RENT THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER FOR ALL OF OUR BIG EVENTS AND CELEBRITY EVENTS. AND THEN WE HAVE YAVAPAI COLLEGE FOR OUR VIP LOUNGE. WE WOULD LITERALLY HAVE THE ENTIRE FILM FESTIVAL HAPPENING IN A TWO BLOCK RADIUS ON THE END OF TOWN, THEREBY NOT CONTRIBUTING TO TRAFFIC IN THE HEART OF THE TOURIST DISTRICT IN THE HEART OF WESTONA. SO WE REALLY FEEL THIS IS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC MOVED OUT THERE AND TO HAVE ALL OF OUR YEAR-ROUND OPERATIONS, UH, MOVED OUT THERE AS WELL. UH, THE FOURTH THEATER, VERY WISELY, ONE OF MY BOARD MEMBERS CAME TO ME AND SAID, THIS IS A GREAT GRAND CONCEPT, BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED FOUR THEATERS YEAR ROUND. BUT WHAT SEDONA IS MISSING IS AN EVENT SPACE. AND HE HAD SOME, HE HAD A VERY GOOD THOUGHT ON THIS. SO WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO IS DECIDE THIS, THIS HERE AND THIS WHITE ONE ON OUTSIDE. THIS IS THE SAME, THIS IS THE SAME ROOM HERE. WE WOULD PREFER IT FIRST AND FOREMOST, AND BUILD IT AS 150 SEAT MOVIE THEATER. THAT'S EXACTLY THE SIZE WE NEED TO COMPLETE THE EQUATION FOR THE FILM FESTIVAL. BUT BUILD IT WITH REMOVABLE SEATS SO THAT WE CAN TRANSFORM IT INTO WHAT YOU SEE HERE, WHICH IS A GALA SPACE, CABARET SPACE, TED TALK, SPACE MEETING SPACE, UH, WEDDING RECEPTIONS, ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN THINK OF THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS FOR RENTAL SPACE, MEETING SPACE. WE COULD HAVE THAT IN THIS FACILITY AND BE THAT VENUE FOR ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS AND ALL THE WONDERFUL PEOPLE HERE IN SEDONA THAT NEED A SPACE TO RENT AFFORDABLY. UM, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THOSE KIND OF SPACES AROUND. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE WOULD ALSO BUILD IN A SMALL COMMERCIAL KITCHEN. SO OUR OWN CATERERS CAN CATER EVENTS THAT HAPPEN IN HERE THAT CAN SIGN WITH US, HAVE THE SPACE, HAVE THE CATERING, HAVE PRE-EVENT SPACE OUT IN THE COURTYARD AREA. UM, AND WE ALSO WOULD HAVE A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN THAT WE COULD ENHANCE WHAT WE OFFER AT OUR OWN CONCESSION STAND, WHICH IS BUILT IN RIGHT HERE. AND THEN OF COURSE MULTI MANY, MANY, MANY RESTROOMS. 'CAUSE WE KNOW WE NEED A LOT OF THOSE FOR A VENUE LIKE THIS. AND TWO FLOORS OF, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES AND EXTRA RESTROOMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT BEING ON THIS PROPERTY, AND ESPECIALLY THIS PART OF THE PROPERTY, IS IT IS THE ONLY PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO VIEWS. WE DON'T NEED THEM BECAUSE WE PUT YOU IN A DARK THEATER. SO FOR ANY OTHER BUILDINGS THAT NEED NICE VIEWS, NEED SOME, SOME BEAUTY AROUND THEM, WE DON'T NEED THAT. WE NEED ROADSIDE. WE WANNA BE BY THE ROADSIDE. AND, UM, AND WE WANT, SO WE REALLY FEEL THAT THIS PIECE OF THE PROPERTY IS IDEAL FOR US. UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER LETTING US BE THE DEVELOPER FOR THAT PIECE OF LAND. AND FOR US, AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T HEARD MY LITTLE EMOTIONAL, UH, HOOK ON THIS, THE SEDONA INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL WAS BUILT FROM THE CULTURAL PARK, WAS BUILT AS A PRODUCT OF THE SEDONA, THE AMPHITHEATER. UH, WE WERE THE OFF SEASON EVENT AS THEY WERE RAISING FUNDS FOR THE FEST FOR THE AMPHITHEATER. AND WE OPERATED WHILE IT WAS GOING. WE BROKE AWAY AND FORMED OUR OWN 5 0 1 C3. SO WE WOULDN'T GO DOWN WITH THE MOTHERSHIP WHEN THE, WHEN THE CULTURE PARK CLOSED. UM, BUT FOR US, IT WOULD BE LIKE COMING HOME AGAIN. WE'D BE COMING HOME TO OUR HOME PROPERTY. AND SO THIS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO US. UM, WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND SO WE HAVE A PLAN B, C, AND D. BUT THIS IS OUR FIRST CHOICE BECAUSE WE WANT, WE WANNA BE THERE AND WE THINK THIS WILL BE THE EASIEST ONE AND A GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP FOR THIS. SO NOW JOANNE, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE. . WHAT? AND YOU'LL JUST HAVE, IT'S, IT'S DONE AS BUBBLES. I DIDN'T KNOW IF I'D BE CONTROLLING THIS OR YOU. SO WE, WHY WE WANTED TO GO ON RECORD SAYING WE WILL BE FUNDING. WE'RE NOT ASKING THE CITY FOR FUNDS TO BUILD THIS THEATER. WE ARE FUNDING IT ENTIRELY OURSELVES THROUGH FUNDRAISING EFFORTS, DONATIONS, SPONSORSHIPS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO WE'RE NOT ASKING THE CITY TO FUND THE PROJECT IN THE BUILDING OF THE THEATER. UM, WE JUST ARE LOOKING FOR CITY SUPPORT FOR, UH, GOOD LEASE, A GOOD LAND LEASE OR POTENTIAL PURCHASE PRICE. WE REALLY FEEL THAT THE CITY'S PAID THE MONEY FOR THIS PROPERTY. THE CITY SHOULD MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP FOR IT, UH, WITH IT. BUT IF, UM, IF YOU COULD WORK OUT A GOOD LAND LEASE FOR US, AND, UH, CERTAINLY IF YOU'RE WILLING TO SELL IT TO US OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND WANT TO, WE WOULD ENTERTAIN THAT. VERY MUCH SO. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FROM THE CITY. WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR, UH, HELP ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO PUT IN THE ELECTRIC SEWER, THE WATER, THE STREETS, BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE TO DO THAT. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO IN ANYWAY. SO WE'RE HOPING YOU'LL HELP US AND HELP PAY AND IN FOR, AND INSERT SOME OF THOSE THINGS. I KNOW SOME OF THE SEWER LINES AND THINGS ARE UP TO A CERTAIN POINT IN THE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE AMPHITHEATER AT THAT TIME. [00:15:01] SO WE HOPE THAT'LL BE AN EASY THING. AND WE'RE HOPING FOR EARLY DEVELOPMENT ON OUR PARCELS. UH, WE REALLY HOPE THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT. YOU'RE GONNA HEAR SOME GREAT IDEAS TODAY. UM, YOU'LL HEAR GREAT IDEAS IN THE NEXT COMING MONTHS. UM, BUT WE HOPE THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER BREAKING OUR PROPERTY AWAY AND JUST LETTING US START DEVELOPING. 'CAUSE WE NEED TO DO A DANGER FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN. WE'RE HOPING IF YOU ALLOW US TO DO THIS, UM, AND WE CAN WORK OUT A DEAL THAT WE CAN BREAK GROUND WITHIN A YEAR AND A HALF OR TWO YEARS ON THE THEATERS AND BE FUNCTIONING WITHIN THREE AND A HALF TO FOUR YEARS. UM, , I'VE MENTIONED THIS TO ALL OF YOU. I DON'T WANNA BE BUILDING THIS WHEN I'M 70 AND I'M 59 RIGHT NOW. SO I KNOW THE REST OF THE PROPERTY MAY TAKE A LITTLE LONGER TO DEVELOP, BUT IF YOU COULD BREAK US AWAY AND CONSIDER BREAKING GUSTS AWAY, UM, AND LETTING US START THAT PROCESS, WE WOULD BE MOST GRATEFUL. WE HAVE, UH, THE END OF NEXT SPRING, EARLY SUMMER. WE HAVE TO SIGN OUR NEXT FIVE YEAR, UM, OPTION AT OUR THEATER. AND, UH, SO WE JUST WANNA KNOW IF WE'RE, IF WE NEED TO NEGOTIATE WITH OUR CURRENT LANDLORD, UM, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. UH, IS THERE ONE MORE, JOANNE? I CAN'T REMEMBER. OH, THERE WE GO. . SO I TALKED VERY FAST. HOPEFULLY YOU CAUGHT ALL OF THAT. UM, AND I THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. SO YOU MENTIONED THE INFAMOUS YAVAPAI COLLEGE BUILDING. YES. WHICH SORT OF SITS THERE ON, SORT OF ON THE CORNER. SO HAVE YOU ALREADY REACHED OUT TO THE COLLEGE? HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU? OKAY. AND SO THEY'RE PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH YOUR DESIGNS. THEY'RE ACTUALLY THE BUILDING RELATED WITH OUR, I MET WITH THE FOUR HIGHEST UP PEOPLE AT YAVAPAI COLLEGE IN JUNE. UM, AND, AND THE REASON FOR MY MEETING, JOANNE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE VERY FIRST SLIDE? SORRY, I WON'T MAKE YOU ALL SIT THROUGH THIS AGAIN. OKAY. UH, SORRY. THE FIRST ONE ALONG, THE REASON I WAS MEETING WITH THEM IS BECAUSE WE ARE ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN IF WE CAN GET THIS PROJECT BUILT. YAVAPAI COLLEGE OWNS AN ACRE OR AN ACRE AND A HALF RIGHT HERE. AND WE WANTED TO LET THEM KNOW THAT IF YOU EVER DECIDE TO SELL THAT, WE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN THAT IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THAT WOULD ALLOW US ANY FUTURE EXPANSION OR AN OUTDOOR MOVIE VENUE. 'CAUSE WE HAVE THAT SET UP ALREADY. UM, AND BECAUSE OF OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM, THEY ARE RIGHT HERE FOR OUR, UH, VIP LAUNCH FOR THE FILM FESTIVAL. IT JUST SEEMS THE NATURAL THING. UM, AND IN THE PROCESS, I SHOWED THEM THESE PLANS. THEY WERE NOT ONLY THRILLED WITH IT, UM, THEY WERE ENCOURAGING IT BECAUSE RODNEY JENKINS, I THINK HIS NAME IS JENKINS, UM, THE EVENTS, THE EVENTS GUY THERE, THEY WANNA BRING SOME OF THEIR SHOWS THAT THEY SHOW AT THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IN, IN PRES PRESCOTT OVER HERE. THEY TRIED A COUPLE OF 'EM AT THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER HERE. BUT BECAUSE THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IS BUILT WITH SCHOOL BOND MONEY, IT DOESN'T PROVIDE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THEY HAD TO DO ALL THE TICKETING, ALL THE MANAGEMENT, EVERYTHING THEMSELVES. THEY WOULD RATHER COME TO A SMALLER VENUE, BRING THEIR VENUES HERE TO OUR 300, 350 SEAT VENUE AND PARTNER WITH US AND FILL THE HOUSE AND HAVE A PRESENCE OVER HERE IN SEDONA. SO THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY, THEY WERE ABSOLUTELY THRILLED ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF WHAT WE COULD DO AND THE FACT THAT THEY COULD PARTNER WITH US ON SEVERAL THINGS. SO, DR. RYAN JENKINS. THANK YOU. YOU'LL ALL OF THEM. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO TAG ONTO THAT. UH, WOULD YOU HAVE TO BUILD A KITCHEN IF YES. EVEN IF YOU USE THEIR KITCHENS? OH, WE'LL HAVE TO BUILD A KITCHEN IN OUR OWN VENUE BECAUSE OF CATERING OUR OWN THINGS. UH, WE'LL STILL USE THEIR KITCHENS, UH, FOR THE VIP LOUNGE AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. OKAY. AND IN ADDITION TO YAVAPAI COLLEGE, I, I FORGOT TO MENTION TOO, WE'RE ALSO PARTNERING WITH THE ENTERTAINMENT VENUES DOWN IN THE VALLEY. THE MUSICAL INSTRUMENT MUSEUM BEING ONE OF THEM. CHANDLER CENTER FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS, BECAUSE WE CAN DOVETAIL AND BOOK ACTS UP HERE IN SEDONA THAT NORMALLY WOULDN'T PERFORM HERE IN SEDONA IF THEY'RE PERFORMING ON A FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT IN PHOENIX, SCOTTSDALE. WE'LL DO AN ADD-ON BECAUSE WE'RE OUTSIDE OF THE PERFORMANCE RADIUS, THE A HUNDRED MILE RADIUS CLAUSE THAT MOST PERFORMERS HAVE IN THEIR, IN THEIR CONTRACTS. WE CAN GET A TAG ON TRIP, HAVE THEM DO A SUNDAY OR MONDAY SHOW HERE AND SHARE TRAVEL EXPENSES WITH THE GROUPS DOWN IN PHOENIX. AND THEY'RE ALL VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. PETE, THANK YOU MAYOR PATRICK, YOU AND I SHARE QUITE A BIT IN COMMON BECAUSE I LOVE BEING AT THIS TABLE. AH, . I LIKE YOU BEING THERE TOO. I JUST HAD TO SAY THAT. , UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT PARKING A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. FIRST QUESTION, ONE SPOT FOR THREE SEATS. CITY REQUIREMENT OR IS THAT YOUR PREFERRED, THAT'S CITY REQUIREMENT PARKING RATIO, CITY REQUIREMENT. AND WHAT CARRIE AND TONY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS WHEN WE ADDED ON THE ALICE GILL SHELDON THEATER THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO AT OUR EXISTING, AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS 13 YEARS AGO WHEN WE BUILT THE MARY FISHER. THERE'S A LOT OF TALK IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE NATION ABOUT PARKING MINIMUMS, WHETHER THEY'RE RIGHT OR NOT, SORT OF IN YOUR BUSINESS. WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR YOU IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE CITY? IT, IT ACTUALLY IS THAT THAT ACTUALLY IS KIND OF A GOOD RATIO. WE FOUND THAT AT OUR OWN PARKING LOT. IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU COME TO OUR THEATER, THERE'S ACTUALLY 65 PARKING LOT SPOTS IN OUR LOT. NOBODY EVER BELIEVES THAT. I ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND PHYSICALLY COUNTED THEM ONE DAY. UM, BUT IT DOESN'T. SO I THINK PARKING IS IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ANOMALY. [00:20:01] LIKE PEOPLE THINK IT'S WORSE THAN IT IS. UM, IT'S WORKED FOR US, IT'S WORKED FOR US FOR OUR THEATERS OVER THERE. OF COURSE WE DO SHARE WITH COFFEE POT 'CAUSE THEY CLOSE AT TWO AND WE SHARE WITH BMO BANK AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK. SO WE'VE BEEN PRETTY GOOD WITH, WITH WHEN WE HAVE THE ABUNDANCE OF TWO SOLD OUT SHOWS OVER THERE OR DURING FESTIVAL TIME. BUT WE HAVE FOUND THAT, THAT THAT, UM, FORMULA ACTUALLY IS PRETTY RIGHT ON. AND YOU ANTICIPATED MY NEXT QUESTION. EXACTLY. HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO YAVAPAI COLLEGE OR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR THE HOTEL ACROSS THE STREET ABOUT SHARING PARKING? UH, YES. YAVAPAI COLLEGE FOR SURE. THEY'VE ALREADY KIND OF GRANDFATHERED US IN BECAUSE WE ALREADY USED THEIR PARKING SPOTS, PARKING LOTS FOR THE FILM FESTIVAL. 'CAUSE WE PARK ALL OF OUR VIPS OVER THERE AND THEN HAVE A SHUTTLE SERVICE AS WELL. SO THEY USE US FOR OVERFLOW. WE HAVE NOT HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL ABOUT PARKING. WE DID LET THEM KNOW ABOUT WHAT OUR PLANS WERE BECAUSE WE WANTED THEM TO KNOW WE ARE IN NO WAY CONSIDERED COMPETITION TO THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER SERVES A VALUE, VERY VALUABLE PURPOSE FOR LARGE, LARGE GATHERINGS. AND UM, AND THEY AGREED THAT THIS WOULD MAKE A REALLY GOOD SYNERGY. WE ALSO HOPE THAT BY US BUILDING THIS, WE'LL HAVE THAT SYNERGY WITH NOT ONLY RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL, BUTI COLLEGE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE WHERE WE CAN BE A TRAINING GROUND FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT STUDENTS THAT WANT TO GO INTO THIS INDUSTRY. WHETHER IT'S CATERING AND THROUGH OUR COMMERCIAL KITCHEN, UM, EVENT MANAGEMENT, NONPROFIT MANAGEMENT. WE'LL BE ABLE TO SET UP SOMETHING. 'CAUSE WE'LL BE RIGHT THERE BY THE SCHOOL. YOU KNOW, I ASKED JUST BECAUSE TO MY EYE A LITTLE BIT, I'M NOT AN URBAN PLANNER. WE'VE GOT A REALLY GREAT NEW ONE ON BOARD STAFF HERE, WHICH I MAY ASK HIM A QUESTION IN A MINUTE. UM, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A SEA OF PARKING TO ME. AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO GET SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO REDUCE THAT FOOTPRINT A LITTLE BIT. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, NO QUESTION. AND WE'LL BUILD A, WELL, WE'LL HOPEFULLY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, YOU KNOW, BUILD A SIDEWALK DOWN CONNECTING YAVAPAI COLLEGE. 'CAUSE THAT'S THEIR PARKING LOT IS RIGHT HERE. AND THAT ROAD THAT ALREADY EXISTS, THAT GOES TO NOWHERE. IT STOPS LIKE RIGHT THERE. UM, BUILD A, BUILD A SIDEWALK THAT CONNECTS BACK BECAUSE THERE'S NO QUESTION WE ARE, WE ARE NEVER GONNA GET A A, A STOPLIGHT HERE THROUGH ADOT. IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE OTHER STOPLIGHT. WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT. AND WE ALSO TOLD THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO CROSS THE MEDIAN. THERE'S A MEDIAN THERE. SO THIS IS ONLY A RIGHT HAND TURN IN AND WHEN YOU LEAVE, IT'S ONLY A RIGHT HAND TURNOUT. WE KNOW LOCALS BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THE SECRETS. WE'RE ALL GONNA GO TO THE LIGHT. WE'RE GONNA GO RIGHT HERE. WE'RE GONNA GO OFF THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND GO HERE AT THE LIGHT. SO IT OPENS UP A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES, UM, FOR PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHERE TO PARK MORE CONVENIENTLY TO GET TO THE LIGHT LIKE THEY CURRENTLY DO WITH US RIGHT NOW AT BMO. THEY KNOW IF THEY PARK IN BMO'S LOT, THEY GET TO GO TO THE LIGHT. SO WE HAVE, WE ASSUME THAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AS WELL. SO HOPEFULLY PETE, THAT ANSWERS A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR LITTLE BIT. YEAH. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS NOW. I'M JUST KIND OF UNDER TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOUR CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN SO FAR AND WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. YOU HAD SAID IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT LIVE MUSIC VENUES HAVE GONE AWAY. I THINK THAT'S A QUOTE FROM WHAT YOU JUST SAID. DOES THAT INFORM YOU ANY SENSE ABOUT WHY? ARE YOU TRYING TO, IS THERE A MESSAGE THERE? NO, THEY'RE GONE FOR A REASON. NO, AND ONLY AND MAIN MAINLY. 'CAUSE THE MAIN ONE, I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW THE MAIN ONE WAS SOUND BITES. I MEAN, THEY HAD A STAGE, THEY HAD BANDS, THEY HAD THIS KIND OF THING WHEN BROMAN ORCHARD TOOK OVER AND IT'S A WONDERFUL RESTAURANT. THEY JUST DECIDED TO DO AWAY WITH THAT LIVE MUSIC COMPONENT. AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, SINGLE PERFORMERS IN THE BAR AREA. BUT FOR THOSE WHO NEED STAGE THINGS, WE'RE, WE'RE NOW WE GOT ESTEBAN, WE ARE NOW ESTEBAN'S RESIDENCE. UM, BECAUSE HE NO LONGER HAS SOUND BITES. UM, WE'VE GOT OTHER PERFORMERS WHO SAID, OH, NOW WE NEED A PLACE TO PERFORM. WE'RE COMING OVER HERE AND WE PARTNER WITH THEM. SO WE DO A BOX OFF A SPLIT. SO THERE'S NO, WE DON'T CHARGE THEM RENT. THERE'S NO RISK TO THEM. UM, SO WE FEEL WHEN WE DO IT THAT WAY, IT PRESSURES THEM TO MARKET. IT PRESSURES US TO MARKET AND IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR BOTH. SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY AN INDICATION OF THE ECONOMY OR PEOPLE NOT WANTING THOSE. I JUST THINK IT'S A MATTER OF REPURPOSING THE, THE PLACES THAT EXISTED. YOU KNOW, UH, LIVE MUSIC ISN'T MY SCENE, SO I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT. BUT I WANTED TO ASK PEOPLE THAT KNOW, WE'LL DO MOUNTAIN BIKING THINGS IN THERE FOR YOU, PETE, I PROMISE WE'LL PUT A MOUNTAIN BIKE TRACK AROUND THE, AROUND THE THEATER. ANOTHER DELICATE DISH QUESTION. YOU CAN HANDLE IT. UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT HAVING THE KITCHEN, YOU'RE CONCENTRATING ALL THE USE SPACE RIGHT THERE ON THE WEST EDGE OF TOWN. IT WOULD IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW AT TIMES. BUT THERE'S PROBABLY WEST SEDONA BUSINESSES WHO, LIKE THE BUSINESS THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST WITH YOU ON FOOD AND BREAKS AND WHATNOT. HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO THE WEST SEDONA BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND KIND OF WE HAVE, WE HAVE BROACHED IT WITH SEVERAL OF THEM, ESPECIALLY OUR PARTNERS. UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WANTED THEM TO KNOW WE'RE NOT DOING THIS TO TAKE ANY BUSINESS AWAY FROM YOU. AND THE, THE CATERERS I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT OUR CATERERS ARE THOSE PEOPLE WE HIRE THEM FROM WITHIN THE RESTAURANT WORLD HERE AND THE CATERERS THAT ARE HERE LOCALLY. RIGHT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THOSE [00:25:01] ARE THE PEOPLE WE WOULD USE. WE WOULD NOT CREATE OUR OWN CATERING COMPANY. WE'RE NOT IN THAT BUSINESS, BUT WE WOULD CONTRACT WITH THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. I THINK YOU JUST CAUGHT ME NOT HAVING ATTENDED YOUR EVENTS, REALLY NOT KNOWING WHO CATERS YOUR FOOD. YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU. IT WAS A SOFTBALL QUESTION. NO WORRIES. UH, A REAL SILLY, UH, QUESTION. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ONE, THE LAST THEATER WITH THE 150 REMOVABLE SEATS. YEAH. WHERE DO THEY GET STORED? OH, THEY'RE ACTUALLY, JOANNE, WOULD YOU MIND, I LIKE HAVING YOU AS MY ASSISTANT OVER ACTUALLY WHAT'S NOT ON THIS DRAWING IS WE'RE GONNA ADD A STORAGE COMPONENT OVER HERE THAT BLENDS IN. WELL, UH, SEE WHERE I'M MOVING THE MOUSE? YEP, YEP, YEP. UM, SO THAT THE CHAIRS AND THINGS, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO STORE IN THERE WHEN, WHEN IT'S SET UP AS A THEATER, THESE ROUND TABLES WILL BE ABLE TO STORE IN THERE. UM, WE'RE ALSO AT, THAT'S WHAT THIS PIECE IS ON THE BIGGER THEATER AS WELL, SO THAT EACH OF THE VENUES WOULD HAVE, THERE'S SOME BACK STORAGE THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT INTO THESE. UM, SO THAT THERE'S ALWAYS RIGHT THERE BOTH A LOADING DOCK, AN AREA TO, TO LOAD IN AND AN AREA TO STORE THINGS WHEN WE TRANSFORM THE THEATERS. OKAY. THEN THIS NEXT PROBABLY MY LAST, THIS KINDA LAST QUESTION AS I LOOK AT THIS, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING ON 89 A, BUT IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE SORT OF THE BACK OF THE WHOLE THING. FACES 89 A SOMETIMES BACK OF FACILITIES DON'T REALLY LOOK GREAT. THAT'S, YOU WANT, DO YOU WANNA TAKE THAT ONE? THIS IS THE GATEWAY TO SEDONA . YOU WANNA TAKE THAT? WE WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THAT. UH, WHAT WE WANNA DO IS BE CAREFUL WITH HOW WE DESIGN THE EXTERIOR. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THOUGHT GIVEN TO WHAT THE SHELL WOULD LOOK LIKE. IT'LL BE A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. I MEAN, IT, IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE TILT UP CONCRETE ONLY. SO YOU JUST SEE SOME SHELL SITTING THERE. IT'LL HAVE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, COMPONENTS. SO IT'LL LOOK, UH, IT'LL FIT INTO THE LANDSCAPE NICELY AND IT'LL BE A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING FOR PEOPLE TO SEE COMING TO TOWN. SO IT WILL BE DESIGNED ON THAT SIDE WHERE IT WON'T LOOK LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BACK OF A BUILDING. YEAH. UM, WE, WHAT I DIDN'T INCLUDE IN HERE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE FAR TOO LONG, IS OUR ARCHITECT GAVE US SEVERAL DIFFERENT DESIGNS FROM THEATERS AROUND THE COUNTRY AND WORLD AND DIFFERENT, UM, MATERIALS AND PATTERNS AND THINGS THAT CAN REALLY GIVE IT A BEAUTIFUL, WELCOMING LOOK WHERE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BACKER SIDE OF A BUILDING. YEAH. SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEP, IT DOES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. LAST QUESTION REALLY, MAYOR, I'M GONNA ASK FOR ANDY'S FORGIVENESS AND PUT TONY ON THE SPOT. TONY, OUR NEW COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WITH A GREAT BACKGROUND IN URBAN PLANNING AND ALL THINGS REVIEWING PLANS. AND TONY, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED VERY RECENTLY ABOUT HOW IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET CONVERSATIONS GOING EARLY IN THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE PEOPLE AN IDEA. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS AS OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. UH, INITIAL THOUGHTS. I KNOW IT'S PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT SURE. UM, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO THE BUILDING AND, UH, AND THE CONCEPT. SO, YOU KNOW, FOR ONE, AND WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. I ACTUALLY LOVE THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE PLAY AGAINST THE LANDSCAPING, ET CETERA. SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME GREAT DISCUSSION AND, UH, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE SHARED PARKING CONCEPT, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO, UM, TO SHARE PARKING AND REDUCE THE PARKING IMPACT ON, ON THE OVERALL, UM, THE OVERALL FACILITIES OF THE WESTERN GATEWAY. SO, YOU KNOW, FROM THOSE PERSPECTIVES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE, THE CONCEPT OF, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE WHERE THEY ARE NOW VERSUS WHERE THEY WANNA BE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF BOTH GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION, BUT ALSO JUST IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. SO FROM BOTH OF THOSE PERSPECTIVES, I THINK THIS, UH, THIS GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO GROW BUT ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN, AN IMPRINT AND, AND AN IDENTITY THAT HELPS WELCOME PEOPLE INTO THE COMMUNITY AT THE SAME TIME. SO GEOGRAPHICALLY IT PLAYS WELL, UM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AND, AND I THINK IT HELPS BUILD THE IDENTITY OF THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. TONY. YOU PASSED ANOTHER TEST WITH ME. SO , WELCOME ABOARD. I'M GLAD YOU'RE WORKING WITH US, MAYOR. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU DEREK. UM, I'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR KURT TOWARD THE END OF ALL THIS SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO ASK HIM MORE THAN ONCE, BUT WE ARE CONSTRAINED BY THE GIFT CLAUSE. UH, SO THERE ARE GONNA BE A, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A GOOD LAND LEASE OR POTENTIAL PURCHASE PRICE. THERE ARE GONNA BE LIMITS TO HOW GOOD IT CAN BE, RIGHT? RIGHT. UM, IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FAIR MARKET RENT OR FAIR MARKET VALUE FOR A PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY, IS THAT GONNA DAMPEN YOUR ENTHUSIASM FOR THIS? I HAVE THE GREATEST MIND IN THE WORLD WORKING ON THIS. HE'S THE HEAD OF OUR FUTURES COMMITTEE. UM, AND HE'S GOT A REALLY GREAT COMMITTEE. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN BUILDING THAT INTO THE BUDGET. WE'RE BUILDING IN A FIVE YEAR PLAN, LIKE LEADING UP TO THE OPENING OF THIS AND BEYOND THAT AND A SUCCESSION PLAN AND WHAT WE NEED TO BUILD INTO BUDGET. SO I KNOW I'M SPEAKING FOR YOU. NO, YOU'RE GOOD. BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE CONSCIOUSLY AWARE OF YEAH. WE, WE UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE. WE [00:30:01] UNDERSTAND THAT ISSUE AND WE WERE LOOKING AT LOOKING AT THE BUDGET FOR THE BUILDING IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. ONE, PURCHASING THE LAND AND ONE BEING ABLE TO LEASE IT AND NEGOTIATE WHATEVER THAT BEST LEASE MIGHT BE FOR US AND FOR THE CITY. OKAY. YEP. THANK YOU. AND, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF RIGHT UNKNOWNS FOR US AT THIS POINT. SO WE'RE HOPING THROUGH THIS PROCESS WE'LL GET SOME CLARITY AND SOME DIRECTION SO WE CAN BEGIN MAKING MORE DEFINITIVE PLANS. OKAY. AND KURT, I'LL ASK YOU LATER ABOUT HOW MUCH FLEXIBILITY WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM ON THOSE ELEMENTS OF THE DEAL. DO YOU WANNA DO IT LATER OR YOU WANNA JUST LET'S DO IT. WE'LL DO IT LATER. WELL, NO, DO IT LATER. 'CAUSE I'M GONNA ASK THE SAME QUESTION TO THE, UH, AMPHITHEATER FOLKS. SO, BUT I, BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE IS A BACKDOOR. IF YOU CAN PRO PROVIDE COMMUNITY BENEFITS, TANGIBLE COMMUNITY BENEFITS, THAT'S THE TRICK. THEN THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO SOFTEN THAT A LITTLE BIT. BUT THAT'S WHAT HAS TO BE FOCUSED ON. WHAT ARE THOSE TANGIBLE BENEFITS? YEAH. WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE REALLY, WE'RE ANXIOUS TO TALK WITH STAFF ABOUT AND BE ABLE TO FILL THEM THOSE, UH, BLANKS. YEAH. MAYOR, IF I MIGHT JUST FOR A MINUTE THEN, SINCE WE'RE ON IT THAT THAT'S CORRECT. IT IS, UM, FAIR MARKET VALUE. YOU KNOW, COUNCILLOR FA IS ONE WAY TO DETERMINE WHAT A LEASE WOULD BE. BUT ANOTHER WAY, UH, WOULD BE THE CITY JUST CAN'T PROVIDE BENEFITS THAT ARE GROSSLY DISPROPORTIONATE TO WHAT IT RECEIVES IN RETURN. AND ANY DIRECT BENEFITS THAT THE CITY RECEIVES FROM A PROJECT OR DEVELOPMENT, UH, CAN, CAN COUNT IN THAT EQUATION. AND SO IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE AN EXACT DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR EQUATION. AND SO THERE IS SOME ROOM WITHOUT SEEING, YOU KNOW, EXACT PROPOSALS. WE, WE CAN'T OPINE ON IT YET, BUT, UH, THERE'S UM, SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE TO PARTNER. BUT GENERAL ECONOMIC BENEFIT IS NOT CONSIDERED CORRECT. A GENERAL ECONOMIC BENEFIT IS NOT CONSIDERED OKAY. UH, IN THAT EQUATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD. UM, SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AND MAYBE FOR INFORMATION THAT NOT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, YOU HAD MENTIONED HOW SPAC FOR INSTANCE, DOESN'T DO TICKETING OR MARKETING OR ANY OF THE OTHER STUFF, SOUND MANAGEMENT, THEY DON'T DO ANY OF THAT. THEY EXPECT YOU TO BRING THAT INTO HOUSE. THE OTHER THING THAT I'M NOT SURE PEOPLE KNOW, BUT I SEEM TO RECALL, IS THAT YOU'RE NOT REALLY ABLE TO USE SPAC MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. THAT IT'S USED BY THE SCHOOL AND THAT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO A PERFORMANCE THERE ON THE DAYS WHEN THE SCHOOL ACTUALLY HAS USAGE OF THE SPAC. YOU ARE, YOU ARE PRIMARILY RIGHT? YES, DURING THE DAY, MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, YOU CAN'T, UM, AND IF THERE'S A SPORTING EVENT OR AN ATHLETIC EVENT OR SOMETHING THAT EATS UP A LOT OF PARKING, YOU ALSO CAN'T, UH, SOMETIMES. UM, AND, BUT LIKE LAST NIGHT, FOR EXAMPLE, WE RENTED IT LAST NIGHT ON TUESDAY NIGHT AND HAD A CONCERT. UH, SO THEY DO RENT THAT OUT, BUT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED IN THE BUILDING UNTIL AFTER THE BUSES HAVE CLEARED. SO THERE'S, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF PARAMETERS ON IT THAT SOMETIMES MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING FOR GROUPS TO BE ABLE TO DO THERE. YEAH. AND, AND MY POINT WAS TO, UM, TO PETE'S THING ABOUT LIVE ENTERTAINMENT IN TOWN, THAT CAN BE A LITTLE TRICKY FOR, UM, SMALL LOCAL ARTISTS TO, TO FIND THE RIGHT TIME AND JUGGLE ALL OF THAT AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. UM, ABOUT PARKING, SO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ITEMS YOU TALKED ABOUT TODAY, YOU SHUTTLE TO THE VIP LOUNGE FOR YOUR VIPS. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A SHUTTLE SERVICE, WE HAVE MICRO TRANSIT, UM, WE HAVE SHUTTLE BUSES, UM, NOT TOO FAR AWAY FROM WHERE YOU ARE BECAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S A SHUTTLE STOP RIGHT THERE AT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE HIGH SCHOOL. UM, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED OR THOUGHT ABOUT USING THE CITY TRANSPORTATION? AND IF YOU DID AND YOU NO LONGER NEEDED ALL OF THIS PARKING, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PLANS FOR THAT SPACE? AS FAR AS THE, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE LAST PART OF THAT QUESTION. I'M SORRY. SO, SO LET'S SAY, LOOKING AT WHAT JOE'S GOT UP THERE, LET'S SAY, UM, THE PARKING THAT'S TO MY LEFT. OH, GOT IT. OKAY. OF IT. LET'S SAY YOU DON'T NEED THAT PARKING BECAUSE YOU'RE USING SHUTTLE SERVICES IN ORDER TO MOVE PEOPLE AROUND OR SHUTTLES FROM, FROM, UM, HOTELS OR WHEREVER. LET'S SAY YOU NO LONGER NEEDED ALL OF THAT SPACE. WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THAT SPACE? WE, WE WOULD, IF, IF WE WOULDN'T NEED IT FOR PARKING MM-HMM . WE WOULDN'T NEED THAT SPACE. OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? RIGHT. WE'RE ANTICIPATING NEEDING IT FOR PARKING, JUST 'CAUSE WHAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE. UM, BUT WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO TALKING WITH THE CITY AND UTILIZING THEIR SHUTTLES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. UM, IN THIS WHOLE CONCEPT, UM, WE WANNA MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO GET TO US, TO GET TO US EASILY, TO ACCESS US, UM, NOT ONLY DURING THE FESTIVAL BUT ALL YEAR LONG. SO WE'LL ENTERTAIN ANY OF THOSE CONCEPTS. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. PAT, THANKS FOR COMING IN TODAY. I THINK MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED ALREADY. UH, THE ONE THING I WANNA CHALLENGE YOU ON A LITTLE BIT IS THE NOTION [00:35:01] THAT THIS WOULD NOT, THAT THE LARGER VENUE WOULD NOT COMPETE WITH THE SPAC BECAUSE AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, DAVID ARKENSTONE LAST NIGHT WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE BEEN THERE, BUT WE WERE HERE UNTIL 10 30 LAST NIGHT, HAD A BIG LONG MEETING, UM, HE WOULD NOT BE PERFORMING AT THE SPAC THE NEXT TIME HE'D BE AT YOUR PROPERTY. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY TIMES A YEAR THAT MIGHT BE OCCURRING? BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT NEEDS EVERY DIME THEY CAN GET FROM RENTING THAT SPACE OUT. SO WHILE I DON'T THINK IT'S A FATAL FLAW IN YOUR PLAN OR ANYTHING, I JUST THINK TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT COMPETITIVE IS PROBABLY NOT REALISTIC. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT HOW MANY SHOWS? YEAH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY IDEA. UM, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED TO, UH, BOTH CHAMBER MUSIC AND SYMPHONY AND I'LL OUTSIDE SYMPHONY 'CAUSE WE'VE HAD MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM. MM-HMM . UM, WHAT THERE IS, AND I DON'T THINK I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN THAT WE, THEY, THEY TOLD ME THIS WOULD BE THEIR PLAN. WHAT THEY LIKE ABOUT THE IDEA IS THAT KIND OF MUSIC IS MEANT TO BE EXPERIENCED IN A MORE INTIMATE VENUE ANYWAY. NOT A, NOT A BIG GAPING SPACE, MORE SO CHAMBER MUSIC THAN SYMPHONY. BUT ON THEIR TRADITIONAL CONCERTS, THEY GET BETWEEN 300 AND 350 PEOPLE AT THE CONCERT ON THEIR POPS CONCERT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, THEY GET 600, 700. SO THEY WOULD NEVER MOVE THAT AWAY FROM SPAC, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, THE OTHER ONES, THEY'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO COME OVER TO OUR SPACE BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THE MULTIPURPOSE SPACE WE HAVE, THEY COULD DO AN INTIMATE VIP RECEPTION, MEET THE CONDUCTOR, MEET THE GUEST PERFORMER, AND THEN GO IN FOR THE CONCERT OR VICE VERSA, HAVE THE CONCERT, THEN HAVE A POST CONCERT THING. MM-HMM . I WOULD, I WOULD VENTURE TO GUESS IT WOULD MAYBE AFFECT SIX CONCERTS TOTAL, THREE FROM SYMPHONY AND THREE FROM CHAMBER THAT MIGHT MOVE OVER TO US RATHER THAN PERFORMING THERE. BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE BOOK, THEY'RE STARTING TO BOOK A LOT MORE OF THESE TRIBUTE ACTS AND THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE BRINGING IN THAT I THINK WILL KIND OF FILL THAT VOID, I'M GUESSING. AND I'M A GLASSES HAVE FULL GUY, SO, UM, I ALWAYS LOOK AT THE POSITIVES. UM, SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. WE WILL CONTINUE TO RENT THEM, OF COURSE FOR THE FESTIVAL AND DURING THE YEAR WHEN WE HAVE BIG EVENTS THAT WE KNOW WILL ATTRACT BETWEEN 507 50 PEOPLE. SO THEY WON'T LOSE OUR BUSINESS. UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING TO, WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY HOPING TO BE MORE OF A PARTNER WITH THEM BY BEING CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. WELCOME. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO WHAT WORRIES ME IS TIMING AND TALK MORE ABOUT YOUR, YOU HAVE A YEAR IN WHICH TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GONNA RENEW FOR FIVE YEARS. RIGHT? SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE, UH, WHEN WE BUILT THE ALICE GILL SHELDON THEATER, WE BUILT IN FOUR, FOUR OR FIVE, I CAN'T REMEMBER, 5, 5, 5 YEAR OPTIONS AT INCREASES WE COULD LIVE WITH AND THE, AND THE LANDLORD COULD LIVE WITH AND WE SECURED FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL IF SHE EVER DECIDES TO SELL THE BUILDING. UM, WHICH WE KNOW WE COULDN'T COME TO A PRICE AGREEMENT WITH HER ON. UM, SO OUR NEXT LEASE RENEWAL IS WE'D HAVE TO LET HER KNOW IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR IF WE'RE TAKING THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. SO OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOTTA TAKE SOME OR ALL OF THAT BECAUSE WE WILL NOT BE IN THIS SPACE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS. RIGHT. BUT WE'RE HOPING TO BE BUILDING IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS SO THAT PERHAPS OKAY. SO YOU COULD TAKE FIVE YEARS AND YOUR GOAL WOULD BE TO BE FULL. I THOUGHT WE WOULD NEED. OKAY. YEP. OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. CHARLOTTE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NOT REALLY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THIS IS A, A WELL POINTED OUT PLAN, PATRICK, YOU REALLY KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE, YOU KNOW YOUR BUSINESS. THANK YOU. AND UM, I WISH WE HAD SOMEBODY JUST LIKE YOU, UM, ABOUT AMPHITHEATERS. OH, . THANK YOU. THAT'S VERY KIND. UM, I THINK WHAT THIS IS SAYING TO ME IS WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THE WHOLE, UM, WESTERN GATEWAY AS AN ASSET THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE, UH, BROKEN UP AND, AND UM, DEVELOPED AT DIFFERENT POINTS IN TIME FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES. AND THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD, UM, WELL CASE STUDY I GUESS YOU'D SAY OR EXAMPLE OF THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION. I CAN SEE WHY YOU'D WANT TO GET STARTED WITH IT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MM-HMM . SO I WANNA TAG ONTO THAT BECAUSE I WAS GOING MENTALLY EXACTLY WHERE, UM, CHARLOTTE WAS GOING. AND SO THIS IS DIRECTED AT, I DON'T KNOW WHO OVER SITTING IN THAT DIRECTION. UM, SO I DUNNO IF THIS IS AN ANDY QUESTION OR A KURT QUESTION OR A WHO QUESTION, BUT IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE CANNOT SORT OF BREAK UP THAT PROPERTY AS WE THINK ABOUT OR THINK THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF IT? IF FOR INSTANCE WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA OR SOME OTHER IDEA WAS A GREAT IDEA AND WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND START MOVING IN THE DIRECTION OF THAT, DO [00:40:01] WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING ALIGNED OR CAN WE DO PIECEMEAL? I DON'T KNOW WHO TO ASK. I'LL, I'LL START ON THE LEGAL SIDE. THE ONLY LIMITATION IS THAT IF YOU SELL OFF A PARCEL LARGER THAN 15 WORTH, MORE THAN $15 MILLION, IT HAS TO GO TO THE VOTERS FOR APPROVAL. UM, OTHERWISE YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO A PIECEMEAL IN ANY MANNER YOU WANT. YOU SAID SALE. SO IF WE WERE LEASING, IS THAT SAYING THE LIMITATION ON LEASING? OKAY. CAN WE HAVE THAT? I WOULD JUST ASK IF OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOLKS HAVE ANY OPINION ON HOW THAT MIGHT WORK IN THE TIMING OF THE MASTER PLAN. OKAY. IS THIS ON? YEAH. UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE GOING THROUGH A MASTER PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE PARCEL. THE CFA PLAN FOR THE AREA, UM, DOES STATE THAT THE, UM, ENTIRE PARCEL SHOULD BE MASTER PLANNED BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. THAT WAS TO PREVENT, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO GET AN IDEA FOR THE WHOLE PARCEL CITY COUNCIL DOES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, IT'S A GUIDING DOCUMENT. UM, AND SO IF THAT WAS THE DIRECTION WE COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT, WE THERE WOULD STILL BE A ZONING CASE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE ON ANYTHING BECAUSE AGAIN, THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, UM, WOULD NEED TO BE CHANGED FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. THAT'S A QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK. WOULD IT NEED TO BE CHANGED FOR THE FILM FESTIVAL? I'D HAVE, I MEAN, WE'VE GENERALLY SAID THAT, SO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS A SITE PLAN SPECIFIC ZONING, WHICH WAS TIED TO THE AMPHITHEATER DEVELOPMENT. UM, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND STUDY IT. WE'VE JUST KIND OF SAID THE, YOU KNOW, BLANKET, UNLESS THE AMPHITHEATER COMES BACK IN ITS EXACT ITERATION OF THE LAST ZONE CHANGE, THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A ZONING CASE. UH, WE CAN DEFINITELY GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE DETAILS. I JUST DON'T KNOW THOSE OFF OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THIS WAS INCLUDED, IF IT COULD BE CONSIDERED THE SAME OR IF IT'S NEW. GENERALLY PDS, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT WHERE YOU HAVE SETBACKS IN HEIGHT AND CAN KIND OF WORK WITHIN THAT. IT'S VARIOUS SITE PLAN SPECIFIC, BUT YEAH, IF THIS FITS, IF, IF IT'S BROAD ENOUGH TO BE CULTURE YEAH. AND IF THIS WOULD FIT IN THERE. NO, I, I DON'T KNOW. KURT'S SHAKING HIS HEAD. YEAH, I I I AGREE. I THINK WITH CARRIE, SO IT, THE SITE PLAN WAS SPECIFIC TO AN OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATER. SO UNLESS ANOTHER OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATER IS BUILT, THEN THAT ONE WOULDN'T REQUIRE A ZONE CHANGE. BUT MOST OTHER USES ARE GONNA REQUIRE, UM, A ZONE CHANGE. IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, FOR CULTURAL OR IT WAS ZONED FOR CULTURAL USES OR SOMETHING BROAD LIKE THAT. IT WAS ZONED VERY, UM, PRETTY SPECIFICALLY IF I RECALL. RIGHT. OKAY. SO, SO WE, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE AND I'M MINDFUL THAT IN YEARS FLY BY AND THERE'S A LOT OF PROCESS. SO WHAT I WANT TO GAUGE FROM ALL OF YOU IS DO YOU SUPPORT THIS PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD TO SEE WHERE WE COME OUT AND TO SEE WHAT THE STEPS ARE AND TO START THE PROCESS WITH OUR OWN INTERNAL, UH, REQUIREMENTS. PLUS STARTING TO, TO HAVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND THE FILM FESTIVAL WORK TOGETHER TO MOVE FORWARD KNOWING THAT EVERYTHING WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO US FOR APPROVAL AT SOME POINT. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE TO BREAK IT OUT FOR THE, SO FOR CLARITY, YOU'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT CIF AND WHAT WE JUST SAID? CORRECT. OKAY. WE MIGHT TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE LATER, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT CIF. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE TAKING THAT PROPERTY, REMOVING IT FROM THE MASTER PLAN? 'CAUSE WE MAY BE WAYS AWAY FROM MA THE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT, SO LET'S HEAR FROM EVERYBODY. I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE DOING THAT, BUT I THINK THAT, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT BREAKING UP THE CULTURAL PARK. THIS IS ALL SUPPOSED TO BE ONE PART OF ONE SORT OF, SO I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT IT'S MORE OF A PHASE DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE DO NOW, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, RULE OUT OTHER POSSIBILITIES. UH, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WOULD'VE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. UH, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD VIEW THIS AS THE NEXT STEP, WHETHER IT'S SUBDIVIDED AND SOLD OR UH, LEASED OR WHATEVER. UM, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD STARTING POINT. SO YEAH, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. LET'S CALL IT EXPLORING, EXPLORING MELISSA? YEAH, I AM, I'M IN FAVOR OF EXPLORING. I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PIECES WE DON'T KNOW YET, UM, REGARDING SUBDIVIDING THE PROPERTY AND PLATING OR WHATEVER THE TERM IS. AND I'M JUST STARING AT CARRIE 'CAUSE SHE KNOWS THE TERMS AND KURT IS NODDING HIS HEAD. SO WHATEVER. BUT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE TO GO ON THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ALL ACROSS THE WESTERN GATEWAY AS WE PUT DIFFERENT THINGS IN THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT ZONING, THEY'RE GONNA BE DIFFERENT SIZES, THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AREA, WHATEVER IT IS. SO I THINK [00:45:01] JUST GETTING STARTED THERE AND USING OUR TEST CASE IS SIFT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ALL WE NEED TO DO AND WHAT ALL'S GONNA HAPPEN. I, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. RIGHT. I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION, MAYOR, BUT I WOULD REALLY PREFER TO ANSWER IT AT THE END TODAY AFTER WE'VE HEARD FROM THE OTHER COUPLE OF GROUPS. I THINK THERE'S SOME VERY PERTINENT QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED THAT WE'LL HAVE A MAJOR EFFECT ON MY ANSWER. I WANT TO SAY YES, BUT I WANT TO GO THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THESE PRESENTATIONS AND HAVE THE QUESTIONS AND THE DISCUSSION BEFORE SAYING YES FOR SURE. OKAY, THANK YOU CHARLOTTE. UM, BRIAN, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR THING TO SAY. UM, I, AS I, AS I SAID EARLIER, I DO BELIEVE THIS IS SOMETHING WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH. IT'S GOING TO NEED A ZONE CHANGE FROM THE PRIOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO ANOTHER KIND OF PLAN DEVELOP. BUT I ASSUME , UM, AND I'M SURE THIS CAN FIT INTO THAT BROAD CATEGORIZATION, WHATEVER IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. SO AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S SPLIT OUT, UM, FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT OR FROM A, UH, A SALES STANDPOINT, IT'S DOWN THE ROAD. BUT I DO, I THINK IT'S, I'M READY TO START MOVING ON SOMETHING AND I AM INTERESTED TO HEAR BRIAN, WHAT YOU'RE THINKING LATER ON ABOUT HOW THESE MIGHT FIT TOGETHER. OKAY, PETE, THANKS MAYOR. UH, YEAH, GOOD, GOOD THOUGHTS FOR MY COLLEAGUES, SO THANK YOU. AND, AND I THINK I'M READY, TONY, I'M GONNA REFERENCE AGAIN A RECENT CONVERSATION WE HAVE. I'M READY IF MOVING THE NEXT STEP LOOKS LIKE EXPLORE, LIKE INVITING, SIFT TO COME IN TO SIT DOWN WITH EVERYBODY, PLANNING LEGAL, PUBLIC WORKS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT INITIAL MEETING WHERE PEOPLE ARE SPIT BALLING AND TRYING TO, AND ALL HEARING EACH OTHER AT THE SAME TIME. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR PROJECTS AT THIS STAGE. UM, I'M REALLY INTERESTED, I KNOW I PUT TONY ON THE SPOT AND HE DID WELL, VERY WELL SPOKEN, NON-CONTROVERSIAL. WISH I COULD DO THAT ALL THE TIME. I DON'T. UM, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY LOVE TO GET OUR STAFF MUCH MORE TIME, EVEN IN A PRELIMINARY STAGE, EVEN BEFORE THE APPLICATION IS, YOU KNOW, DEEMED COMPLETE AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT. WE'RE NOT MOVING THERE. BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO ANSWER, EVEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OTHER PROPOSALS AROUND THE TABLE. BUT I THINK THERE'S A PATH TO HAVE A DEEPER CONVERSATION AND THEN A REPORT BACK ABOUT HOW WE ALL THINK ABOUT IT OR, YOU KNOW, WHERE OUR THINKING IS AT SOME AMOUNT OF TIME. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. ARE YOU ABLE TO STAY FOR THE ENTIRE MEETING? YES. UH, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR SECTION, NOT WASTEWATER, BUT RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. YES, YES, YES. WASTEWATER GONNA BE EXCITING THOUGH. I HAVE A HOLIDAY DINNER AT FIVE O'CLOCK, SO IF I BOLD OUT, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. AND YOUR ENTHUSIASM. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT UP, ALAN, WHICH ONE'S YOURS, MAYOR AND COUNCILORS? UH, PATRICK IS PROPOSING A LOT OF SEATS IN THOSE THEATERS, SO YOU MIGHT WANT 'EM TO STICK AROUND FOR THE WASTEWATER , BUT I, BUT I, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY, UM, AND PRESENTATION. AT THE END OF THAT CONVERSATION, AT THE END OF THAT CONVERSATION, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF GOOD KIND OF SEGUE QUESTIONS. SO WHAT I WANNA DO TODAY IS TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOME BIG PICTURE ISSUES. AND I WANNA MAKE THREE GENERAL POINTS. ONE IS THAT HOUSING AND THE ARTS ARE BOTH POSSIBLE AND DESIRABLE FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT'S NOT AN EITHER OR. AND THEN I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT KIND OF HOUSING, BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT AND WHAT ARE THE LIKELY ARTS PROJECTS THAT COULD HAPPEN HERE. AND THEN I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW YOU MIGHT PROCEED TO MAKE THESE THINGS HAPPEN. SO I HAVE A FEW SLIDES TO GO THROUGH. THEY'RE NOT AS PRETTY AS PATRICK'S, BUT THE, THE MASTER PLAN QUESTION NOW IS HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE A MASTER PLAN THAT MEETS THE CITY HOUSING OBJECTIVES AND ALSO ADDRESSES THE COMMUNITY VISION THAT SEDONA WOULD BE A CITY ANIMATED BY THE ARTS. SO NEXT SLIDE. OBVIOUSLY JUST DOING HOUSING THERE, IT DOESN'T MEET BOTH OF THOSE AND JUST DOING THE AMPHITHEATER, IT DOESN'T MEET BOTH OF THOSE. [00:50:02] THE CITY HOUSING PLAN CALLS FOR A DIVERSE MIX OF HOUSING OPTIONS. THIS IS CLEARLY NOT THE CASE IN SEDONA NOW. SO IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO ADVOCATE FOR MORE HOUSING. SO THE MASTER PLAN THAT YOU WERE GIVEN BY DIG SAID, OKAY, WE WANT 400 UNITS OF HOUSING, A BIG PARKING GARAGE, BUT JUST BUILDING MORE HOUSING ISN'T GONNA ADDRESS YOUR WORKFORCE HOUSING OR YOUR SENIOR HOUSING OR ANY ACTUAL PROBLEMS FOR THE PEOPLE IN SEDONA WHO WORK IN YOUR PRIMARY INDUSTRY, WHICH IS HOSPITALITY. PEOPLE MAKING $20 OR $30 AN HOUR, CAN'T AFFORD A $3,000 A MONTH APARTMENT. SO YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF HOUSING YOU WANNA BUILD THERE. SO HERE, SO WHAT I DID TO START THIS IN SEPTEMBER, 'CAUSE I WENT TO THE DIG PRESENTATION, UM, AND I WAS KIND OF DEPRESSED ABOUT IT. SO WHAT I DID WAS LIKE A ANY GOOD DEVELOPER, I DID A YIELD ANALYSIS. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, THERE ARE SOME PARCELS THAT ARE EASIER TO DEVELOP THAN OTHERS. AND THERE'S ALSO A NATURAL CIRCULATION ON THE PROPERTY THAT WAS ALREADY WELL WORKED OUT IN THE ORIGINAL GENS VAULT THOMPSON PLAN. SO YOU CAN DIVIDE THAT PROPERTY INTO A NUMBER OF DISTINCT PARCELS. SO THAT'S THE FIRST STEP THERE. AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN DO AN AREA ANALYSIS OF THOSE PARCELS. SO YOU SEE HOW BIG THEY ARE. SO THE AMPHITHEATER, FOR EXAMPLE, OCCUPIES, I THINK IT'S SIX ACRES. SO THERE'S PARKING, THERE'S A SITE THERE FOR SF WHERE THEY WANNA BE. AND THEN THERE'S FOUR OTHER PARCELS, A, B, C, AND D. NOW THOSE COULD BE HOUSING, THEY COULD BE PARKING, THEY COULD BE NOTHING AT ALL. SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS JUST A YIELD ANALYSIS TO SAY IF YOU WANTED TO DEVELOP THOSE FOR HOUSING, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? AND GENERALLY, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT APARTMENTS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BETWEEN 10 AND 30 UNITS TO THE ACRE. IF IT'S A TOWNHOUSE OR A ROW HOUSE, WHICH IS THE KIND OF PROJECT THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN SEDONA. SO IF YOU TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, 20 UNITS TO THE ACRE, JUST AS A GENERAL SPOT, YOU CAN SAY FOR EXAMPLE THAT PARCEL A IS TWO AND A HALF ACRES AND 20 UNITS TO THE ACRE. YOU COULD PUT ROUGHLY 50 UNITS OF HOUSING THERE. SO IF YOU ADD THOSE THINGS TOGETHER, WHAT YOU COME UP WITH IS ABOUT 240 UNITS OF HOUSING THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE ON THIS SITE. IF YOU ALSO HAD THE AMPHITHEATER SITE AND SF AND ABOUT FIVE ACRES OF PARKING. AND THIS CONSUMES ABOUT 25 ACRES OF THE 41 ACRE SITE. SO A FAIR AMOUNT IS STILL LEFT OVER FOR CIRCULATION AND FOR OPEN SPACE. SO THIS IS JUST AN A YIELD ANALYSIS. I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD BUILD 240 UNITS OF HOUSING. OBVIOUSLY ON ANY GIVEN SITE YOU COULD DO MORE OR LESS THAN 20 UNITS PER THE ACRE. AND OBVIOUSLY IF YOU PUT HOUSING ON A SITE, IT'S A SITE THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE FOR PARKING, SO YOU HAVE TO DECIDE HOW MUCH PARKING YOU WANT ON THE SITE. BUT THIS IS JUST A HIGH PICTURE YIELD ANALYSIS. THE OTHER THING THAT'S IMPORTANT ON THIS PICTURE IS, AS PATRICK WAS SAYING, THE EMPHASIS FOR THE ARTS IS ON THE HIGHWAY FRONTAGE. SO YOU, YOU SEE THE AMPHITHEATER AND SIF AND YAVAPAI COLLEGE, AND WE'LL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. SO JUST TO YIELD ANALYSIS, THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL PARKING SURROUNDING THE AREA, BOTH AT THE COLLEGE AND UH, AT THE FOREST SERVICE. OKAY, NEXT SLIDE. SO THESE ARE POTENTIAL MASTER PLAN ELEMENTS AND, AND A GOOD POINT WAS MADE THAT THE MASTER PLAN NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. AND THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT MAYBE HAVING ONE ENTITY LIKE SIF GO FIRST. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE MASTER PLAN CLEAR FIRST BECAUSE THERE ARE ISSUES LIKE TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEED TO BE UNDERSTOOD FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. SO YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DO AN INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN FOR EACH PIECE IF YOU COULD DO AN INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. SO I THINK AS A SEQUENCING THING, YOU'D WANNA GET THE MASTER PLAN CLEAR FIRST. SO, UM, THIS, THIS SHOWS IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO HOUSING AND CULTURAL USES ON THE SITE. NEXT SITE, OR SORRY, UH, PARKING CONSIDERATIONS. UH, YOU COULD PUT FIVE ACRES OF PARKING ON THE SITE. THERE'S ABOUT SIX ACRES ADJACENT. UM, SO YOU COULD PUT ANOTHER 600, ABOUT A HUNDRED UNITS, A HUNDRED PARKING SPACES PER ACRE, SO THAT'S 1100 PARKING SPACES YOU COULD PUT. OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF THAT, DEPENDING ON THE USES ARE SHARED PARKING SPACES. SO SCHIFF CIF CAN SHARE PARKING WITH THE AMPHITHEATER AND THEY CAN SHARE PARKING WITH YAVAPAI COLLEGE. SO IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE, FOR EXAMPLE, TO TALK WITH THE FOREST SERVICE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ADJACENT LAND AT THE TRAILHEAD, AND SOME OF THAT COULD ALSO BE USED FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING, BUT THAT'S LONGER TERM CONSIDERATION. AND IT'S ALSO, I THINK, IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE DELLS AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN THERE, BECAUSE YOU COULD ALSO SHUTTLE FROM THE DELLS. SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE MASTER PLAN CONVERSATION. UH, NEXT SLIDE. SO, UH, MEANWHILE OF COURSE, S CCP TWO HAS DONE ENORMOUS WORK ON THIS PROJECT. [00:55:01] I DON'T THINK ANYONE KNOWS THE PROPERTY BETTER THAN JENS VOL THOMPSON AND THIS GROUP, WHICH HAS BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR OVER 20 YEARS. AND WHEN WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION A COUPLE MONTHS AGO IN SEPTEMBER, WHEN YOU TURNED DOWN THE DIG PLAN, WE ALL SAW THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING MAYBE MORE HOLISTIC, GRANDER, A BIGGER VISION THAT WOULD ENABLE THIS TO REALLY BE A CENTER FOR THE ARTS FOR SEDONA, AS WELL AS MEET SOME OF YOUR HOUSING NEEDS. SO WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT ALL OF THESE PLANS, US AND CF AND SCP TWO, AND IT MODIFIED THEM CONSIDERABLY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. AND THE CULTURE PARK PEOPLE ARE GONNA SHARE THEIR CURRENT VERSION WITH YOU, BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT, ALL OF US ARE ALIGNED WITH THIS VISION THAT IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO HOUSING AND THE ARTS ON THIS PROPERTY. AND THAT IS IN FACT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE. UH, NEXT SLIDE. UH, THE AMPHITHEATER, THEY'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THEIR PLANS IN DETAIL. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE FIRST PHASE OF ROUGHLY 2000 SEATS IS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE, THE SANTA FE OPERA. I ALSO HAVE PROPERTY IN NEW MEXICO AND HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST ICONIC OPERA HOUSES IN THE COUNTRY. AND IT'S NOT JUST THAT IT'S A BEAUTIFUL VENUE, BUT IT'S ALSO ENORMOUS MARKETING FOR THAT COMMUNITY. IT IS KNOWN WORLDWIDE. AND THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE HERE IN SEDONA, THE AMPHITHEATER PROPERTY IS VASTLY MORE BEAUTIFUL. I THINK IF THAT PROPERTY WERE WELL DEVELOPED, THAT AMPHITHEATER COULD EASILY BE AN ICON FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA AND INDEED FOR THE STATE OF ARIZONA. UH, CIF OF COURSE, THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THEIR PLANS. I THINK THEY'RE VERY WELL DEVELOPED AND I THINK IT IS POSSIBLE, UH, FOR YOU TO FAST TRACK THEM. AND THIS IS AN ISSUE FOR SCF BECAUSE THEIR LEASE EXPIRES. IT'S ALSO AN ISSUE FOR FAMOUS, THE FINE ART MUSEUM OF SEDONA BECAUSE THEIR LEASE EXPIRES. SO I THINK ALL PRO, ALL PARTIES WANT SOME INDICATION FROM THE CITY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO AT LEAST EXPLORE WORKING WITH THEM IN MORE DETAIL. NEXT SLIDE. UH, SO CIF COULD GO QUICKLY, BUT I THINK ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES COULD GO QUICKLY AND THERE'S A WAY TO DO THEM IN PARALLEL. NEXT SLIDE. SO, UH, THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, YAVAPAI COLLEGE AND THAT'S A SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERUTILIZED ASSET. AND OF COURSE IT WAS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY INITIALLY. AND IN CONVERSATIONS WITH YCC EXECUTIVES, THEY HAVE FELT A LITTLE BIT LEFT OUT AND SIDELINED BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT THIS PROPERTY WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN A BROADER ARTS SENSE, AND THEY WOULD LOVE TO BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO FAMOUS, FOR EXAMPLE, FINE ART MUSEUM OF SEDONA, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF FAMOUS PEOPLE HERE AS WELL ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING AN ACTUAL FINE ART MUSEUM WITHIN THE EXISTING YAVAPAI COLLEGE BUILDING. SO IT'S POSSIBLE THEY HAVE ABOUT 20,000 SQUARE FEET THERE, AND WE'VE DONE, AGAIN, A BUILDING ANALYSIS FOR THEM WHERE THEY COULD HAVE CLASSROOM SPACE AND THEY COULD HAVE A MUSEUM SPACE WITHIN THAT, AND THEY COULD ALSO STILL HAVE A CULINARY PROGRAM. SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING NOW, AS YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BUILT A, A SIGNIFICANT COMMERCIAL KITCHEN THERE. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING PROGRAMMING RELATED TO ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE, WHICH INCLUDES FOOD AS MEDICINE, FOOD AS HEALING. SO THEY COULD STILL HAVE A CAFE THERE AND STILL MAKE USE OF THAT SPACE WITHOUT HAVING TO TEAR IT DOWN AND MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO, UH, NEXT SLIDE. SO A SUMMARY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT I, I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY NEEDS A MASTER PLAN, A COMPELLING MASTER PLAN THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL BE EXCITED ABOUT AND WILL GET BEHIND, AND THAT THAT MASTER PLAN SHOULD BE UPDATED BY HAVING A CHARETTE PROCESS. SO CHARETTE IS A TYPICAL ARCHITECTURAL PROCESS WHERE YOU HAVE AN INTENSIVE, UH, EXERCISE, USUALLY A DAY LONG, AND THAT'S IT. AND YOU BRING ALL THE PARTIES TOGETHER. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT AND USEFUL TO HAVE SCF AND SCP TWO AND MY TEAM AND CITY DEPARTMENTS, HOUSING AND ARTS AND TRANSPORTATION, ALL IN A ROOM TOGETHER TO LOOK AT THE MASTER PLAN TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THINGS YOU THINK MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT WORK WELL TOGETHER. AND TO SEE IF THAT COULD BE USED THEN TO GO BACK TO THE MASTER PLAN ARCHITECTS AND HAVE THEM UPDATE THAT. AND THAT WOULD ENABLE YOU THEN TO START PARCELING OUT THE DIFFERENT PIECES. SO I THINK THAT COMMITTEE, WHICH YOU COULD IMPANEL VERY DIRECTLY, WOULD DO A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST, THEY WOULD TALK ABOUT UPDATING THE MASTER PLAN, UH, NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN THEY COULD TALK ABOUT, UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE SPECIFIC SUB PARCELS WITHIN THIS. AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT THAT COUNCILOR DUNN MADE THAT, THAT IT'S POSSIBLE IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS AS A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS WITHIN THAT MASTER PLAN, AND THEY COULD PROCEED IN PARALLEL. SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULD DO RFPS FOR HOUSING PARCELS, AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN SEDONA [01:00:01] AND ELSEWHERE WHO WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO BID ON AND PROPOSE FOR SPECIFIC HOUSING PARCELS, TWO ACRES, THREE ACRES, FIVE ACRES, HOWEVER YOU DECIDE TO PARCEL THAT UP. I BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD DO A SOLE SOURCE AGREEMENT FOR SF, FOR EXAMPLE, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DO AN RFP BECAUSE THERE'S NOBODY ELSE IN SEDONA WHO I THINK COULD PROVIDE THE BENEFITS THAT THEY DO FOR A FILM FESTIVAL. I THINK YOU COULD SIMILARLY DO A SOLE SOURCE AGREEMENT FOR THE AMPHITHEATER BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE ELSE IN SEDONA. THERE'S ONE PARTY SCP TWO WHO HAS DONE THIS INCREDIBLE RESEARCH AND BACKGROUND. AND ONE WAY TO DO THAT IS LET THESE AGREEMENTS GO IN PARALLEL. GIVE PEOPLE LIKE C, F OR SCP TWO OR HOUSING DEVELOPERS A PERIOD OF TIME, SIX MONTHS, A YEAR, WHATEVER YOU FEEL IS APPROPRIATE AND LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE TO BASICALLY DO A PROOF OF CONCEPT TO SAY YOU HAVE A STATE OF PATRICK, STATE OF SP TWO, YOU HAVE A YEAR TO SHOW US YOUR PLANS IN DETAIL, TO SHOW US YOUR FINANCING IN DETAIL AND FOR US TO WORK WITH YOU ON THE ENTITLEMENTS. SO I THINK ALL THOSE THINGS CAN PROCEED IN PARALLEL. UH, NEXT SLIDE. SO THAT'S THE BIG PICTURE. I'D BE GLAD TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT PROCESS AND ABOUT HOW YOU CAN PARCEL THAT. BUT I THINK THAT'S THE IDEA IS THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO DO, CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE MASTER DEVELOPER. YOU HAVE TO BE THE MASTER BRAIN. YOU HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER THE GENERAL PROJECT AND DECIDE WHAT USES SHOULD TAKE PLACE THERE. AND I THINK IT'S CLEAR IT SHOULD BE HOUSING AND ARTS AND THE WHOLE FRONT OF THAT PROPERTY COULD BE ARTS, WHICH WOULD BE THE AMPHITHEATER AND SCF AND A RE-ENERGIZED YAVAPAI COLLEGE CAMPUS. THAT WOULD INCLUDE A FINE ART MUSEUM FOR SEDONA. AND THEN HOUSING WOULD BE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY. I'D BE GLAD TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. I I JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE, AS PART OF OUR OUTREACH PROCESS, WE MET WITH YAVAPAI COLLEGE, I THINK MORE THAN ONCE. I WAS IN ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS TO TALK ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN, AND WE MET WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WELL. WERE YOU THERE, ANDY? UH, NO, BUT I DO RECALL THAT, YEAH, I THINK THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN TWO MEETINGS WITH YAVAPAI COLLEGE, SO I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY FEEL LIKE THEY WERE LEFT OUT. UM, IT'S THAT IF I SAID THAT I MISSPOKE. IT'S NOT THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE NO INTERACTION WITH THE CITY, IT'S THAT THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN LEFT ON THE PROPERTY WITHOUT ALL THE OTHER CULTURAL STUFF THAT THEY HOPED AND ANTICIPATED WOULD HAPPEN THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, JUST GONNA ASK A QUESTION BEFORE I GO TO EVERYONE. THE, IF YOU HAVE APPLIED COLLEGE AND THE, AND FAMOUS WERE TO GET TOGETHER, THAT REALLY WOULDN'T INVOLVE THE CITY. DO YOU SEE IT INVOLVING THE CITY? THAT'S CORRECT. NOT NECESSARILY. OKAY. BUT, BUT IF THAT BECOMES KIND OF THE, THE ARTS HUB FOR THE CITY, IT'S POSSIBLE. FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE FOUR OFFICES IN THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE SUITE. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD HAVE A CITY OFFICE THERE THAT COULD HELP COORDINATE ARTS PROGRAMS FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA, BECAUSE THEN YOU'D HAVE THE MUSEUM NC AND THE AMPHITHEATER BASICALLY IN A CITY CAMPUS. SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME IMPORTANT SYNERGIES THERE. IT'S NOT NECESSARY, BUT IT MIGHT BE DESIRABLE. BUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS COULD BE TAKING PLACE NOW BETWEEN FAMOUS AND YAVAPAI COLLEGE. YES. IRRESPECTIVE OF THE MASTER PLAN. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, MY QUESTION ACTUALLY IS FOR CARRIER KURT. SO UNDERSTANDING THE EXISTING ZONING ON THE PROPERTY, LET'S SAY THAT COUNSEL, UH, WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT ALAN HAS JUST OUTLINED, WHAT WOULD THE REZONING ORDINANCE LOOK LIKE? WHAT, WHAT WOULD IT BE THAT WE WOULD BE VOTING ON TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I'D SAY, UH, EITHER A PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO, TO AND CAPTURE MORE SPECIFICALLY, OR A LOT OF THESE WOULD FIT IN A COMMUNITY FACILITIES TYPE ZONING AS WELL. UM, SO THERE'S, IT COULD BE SPLIT, YOU COULD BE SPLITTING OUT INTO DIFFERENT ZONING ALSO. OKAY. SO MULTIPLE ZONING TYPES IN ONE ORDINANCE IN THEORY, IF WE WERE READY WITH THE MASTER PLAN AS RECOMMENDED, KEEPING THAT MUCH TOGETHER AT ONE TIME? CORRECT. YES. IT COULD BE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT ZONING IF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ENDED UP BEING A MULTIFAMILY SOMEWHERE ELSE OR ANYTHING ELSE. LIKE IT COULD BE, UM, A VARIETY OF, SO THAT'S MOST LIKELY IT'S GONNA END UP BEING A VARIETY OF, UH, ZONING. THERE'S NOT GONNA, IT'D BE HARDER TO JUST, UNLESS YOU DO PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND DO THE WHOLE THING AT THE SAME TIME, THEN IT JUST GETS PD ZONING, BUT THEN YOU'RE KIND OF LOCKED IN WITH THAT PLAN. UM, I THINK IT'D PROBABLY BE EASIER TO ZONE OUT THE INDIVIDUAL SECTIONS TO WHATEVER COUNCIL THOUGHT THAT YOU SHOULD BE. AND REMIND US, WHAT WOULD PD LIMIT US TO PD? SO, AS CARRIE SAID EARLIER, WHAT HAPPENS WITH A PD DEVELOPMENT IF, UM, [01:05:01] IF YOU GET A COM, IF YOU ZONE SOMETHING COMMERCIAL IN THE CODE, THERE'S ALL THE THINGS THAT COME WITH THE COMMERCIAL THAT ARE PROHIBITED, UM, UH, THAT ARE CONDITIONAL WITH A PERMIT AND THEN, UH, PROHIBITED OR, UH, ALLOWED BY BY, RIGHT. SO THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF ACTIVITIES THAT FALL UNDER WHEN YOU DO PD THAT USUALLY, AND WE COULD DO IT BETTER. USUALLY DEVELOPERS PROPOSE A PD, A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY PUT AN OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATER FOR CULTURAL PARK. AND SO THEN IT'S KIND OF LIMITED ONLY FOR AN OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATER FOR A CULTURAL PARK AND ASSOCIATED PARKING AND VENDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IT'S PRETTY NARROW, WHEREAS COMMERCIAL ZONING ALLOWED SOMETHING MUCH BROADER. BUT A PD IS NOT LIMITED IN EITHER WAY. IT CAN BE VERY, IT COULD BE VERY BROAD. IT COULD INCORPORATE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UM, ELEMENTS IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WANTED. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, BACK TO YOU ALAN. CAN WE GO TO THE SLIDE THAT HAD THE, UM, THE DIFFERENT BLOCKS OUTLINED ON THE PARCEL? YEP. THAT THERE, OKAY. SO LIKE YOU'VE, HOW MUCH IS THIS ILLUSTRATIVE VERSUS, GEE, YOU THINK WE OUGHT TO, DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE THERE? LIKE YOU'VE PROPOSED THAT ONE OF THOSE HOUSING BLOCKS WOULD BE SENIOR HOUSING, FOR INSTANCE. LIKE, IS THAT MORE OF A FOR INSTANCE, OR IS THAT MORE INTENTIONAL ON YOUR PART, THINKING ABOUT NEEDS FOR THE COMMUNITY, WHAT MIGHT BE BEST COMPATIBLE FOR THE LAND? CAN YOU CHARACTERIZE THAT? YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF, A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. UM, CLEARLY THE PRIMARY HOUSING NEED IN SEDONA IS WORKFORCE HOUSING, BUT THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT SUBSIDY FROM THE CITY. SO IT'S ONE THING TO SAY WE WANNA HAVE 200 UNITS OF WORKFORCE HOUSING HERE, BUT UNLESS THE CITY'S WILLING TO PROVIDE THE LAND AND THE ENTITLEMENTS AND DEVELOPER SUBSIDIES, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SO I THINK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF HOUSING YOU WANNA SEE ON THE PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITY'S OBLIGATIONS WILL BE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO, UH, ON PARCEL A FOR EXAMPLE, I PUT SENIOR HOUSING THERE SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT'S THE PARCEL THAT WOULD NEED THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TRANSIT THROUGH THAT PARCEL. I DON'T THINK YOU WANT ROAD TRAFFIC GOING DIRECTLY BEHIND THE AMPHITHEATER, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE DOING A BIG PERFORMANCE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR PERFORMER TRUCKS AND OTHER KIND OF THINGS THERE. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL KINDS OF NON PASSENGER USES BEHIND THE, BEHIND THE AMPHITHEATER. SO THAT WOULD BE THE SITE THAT MAYBE WOULD NEED THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TRANSIT THROUGH IT. UM, ON THE SEP PLAN THOUGH, THEY OF COURSE WANNA SEE PARKING THERE. SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU'D WORK OUT IN YOUR CHARETTE DISCUSSION. UM, AND IT'S EVEN A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD HAVE A DEVELOPER WHO WOULD WANNA SAY, YEAH, I WANNA BUILD 150 UNITS OF SENIOR HOUSING WITHIN THIS PROPERTY, AND THE ONLY WAY TO KNOW THAT IS TO PUT OUT AN RFP AND SEE IF YOU GET RESPONDENTS. SAME THING WITH WORKFORCE HOUSING. MIGHT BE THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING IS GONNA BE BETTER OFF AT ST. JOHN VIENNA. YOU MIGHT HAVE OTHER OPTIONS IN THE CITY, BUT PUTTING OUT AN RFP, IT ENABLES YOU TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN A MORE SERIOUS WAY. OKAY, THANK YOU. A THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, I WAS GONNA ASK TONY A QUESTION. TONY, I'M INTRIGUED BY THE CHARETTE IDEA OF A CHARETTE PROCESS, AND I'VE PARTICIPATED IN SOME OF THOSE MYSELF OVER THE YEARS, AND I KNOW WHEN 1 79 WAS BEING REDEVELOPED, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CHARETTES SO THAT THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, COULD WIDELY PARTICIPATE IN THEM. WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR VIEW ABOUT THAT? UM, IT'S, UH, SO SELFISHLY I LOVE CHARETTES. UM, ALWAYS HAVE, UM, I THINK THEY ARE A GREAT TOOL TO GET AS MANY OPINIONS OUT AS POSSIBLE. AND, UM, AND IT IS SPIT BALLING TO SOME DEGREE. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S THROWING OUT IDEAS, YOU GET IT, YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, A VARIETY OF OPINIONS. UM, IT'S A CHARETTE IS GREAT AS A BRAINSTORMING PROCESS. AND, AND I THINK AS LONG AS, AS WE SEE IT AS EXACTLY THAT, IT'S A, IT'S A BRAINSTORMING PROCESS TO GET IDEAS OUT THERE. SO THAT THING YOU CAN FINE TUNE. THAT'S, THAT'S FANTASTIC. AND THAT'S REALLY THE ROLE OF A CHARETTE IS TO GET THOSE OPINIONS OUT THERE. AND REALLY, BECAUSE THE REFINING STARTS AFTER THE CHARETTE IS OVER, UM, IN TERMS OF THE FINE DETAILS. UM, SO FROM, FROM THAT REGARDS, YOU HAVE A PRODUCT THAT IS A DRAFT NOW, UM, YOU HAVE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS YOU'RE GONNA HEAR TODAY. UM, BEING ABLE TO PUT SOME OF THAT TOGETHER IN A BRAINSTORMING SESSION. YEAH, IT'S ALWAYS FUN. SO THE NICE THING ABOUT A CHARETTE IS YOU CAN TAKE THE PARTS OF IT YOU LIKE AND YOU CAN USE, UM, YOU CAN ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, CHOOSE TO DISCARD THE THINGS THAT MAKE NO SENSE. AND THAT'S, AND WHEN I SAY MAKE NO SENSE, THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF A BRAINSTORMING PROCESS, RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, I SAY FIVE THINGS, THREE OF THEM MAY NOT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL, BUT TWO MAY STICK. AND SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I THINK CHARETTES ARE FANTASTIC. SO WHEN WE STARTED THE MASTER [01:10:01] PLANNING PROCESS, WE DID HAVE COMMUNITY OUTREACH MM-HMM . SOME FEEDBACK THAT I'VE HEARD HAS BEEN THAT IT WAS VERY PRESCRIPTIVE SO THAT PEOPLE WERE REACTING TO MODELS THAT WERE GIVEN TO THEM AS OPPOSED TO TRUE BRAINSTORMING. BUT DO YOU THINK THAT, UH, I KNOW YOU WEREN'T HERE SURE. FOR THAT PROCESS, SO YOU DON'T HAVE A VIEW OF HAVING PARTICIPATED. ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT PROCESS AT ALL? YEAH. AND, AND AWARE OF THE, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF REVIEWING THE, THE PLAN AND REVIEWING THE PROCESSES THAT THEY WENT THROUGH AND, AND THE EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT THEY DID? ABSOLUTELY. UM, THE NICE THING ABOUT, UH, A CHARETTE IS IT ALLOWS YOU TO DETERMINE WHAT PIECES, YOU KNOW, IT, IT VALIDATES THE GOOD IDEAS IN THAT PERSPECTIVE. SO, YOU KNOW, AND SOME IDEAS THAT MAY COME UP THAT, THAT MAY TURN OUT TO BE WEAKNESSES IN THE PLAN, MAYBE THOSE GET ADJUSTED. UM, BUT IT, IT'S NOT A THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER, UM, CONCEPT AS MUCH AS YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO START FROM. AND THE CHARETTE LETS YOU, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PLAY OFF OF THAT, IF YOU WILL. AND, AND WHETHER IT INTEGRATES NEW IDEAS OR THE END RESULT IS THE END, THE PRODUCT THAT YOU STARTED WITH, IT LETS YOU, IT LETS YOU TEST THOSE THINGS. OKAY, THANK YOU. IF I MAY, MAYOR, THERE'S, THERE'S A HIGHER LEVEL VERSION OF A CHARRETTE TWO WHERE YOU ALREADY HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT YOU WANT AND IT'S A QUESTION OF HOW THE PIECES WORK TOGETHER. SO I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY DONE EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY INPUT AND GATHERING, SO I WOULDN'T START THAT OVER AGAIN BECAUSE YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO HAVE ON THE PROPERTY, I THINK, WHICH IS MOSTLY HOUSING IN A MIX OF TYPES FOCUSED ON WORKFORCE SENIOR AND APARTMENTS. YOU HAVE ARTS ELEMENTS, SPECIFICALLY A NEW HOME FOR CF ABORN AMPHITHEATER AND PERHAPS A MUSEUM FOR FAMOUS IN COLLABORATION WITH YAVAPAI COLLEGE. AND GIVEN THOSE THINGS, YOU NEED A PARKING AND CIRCULATION PLAN TO SUPPORT AN INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN TO SUPPORT THEM. SO YOU'RE NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH. YOU'RE STARTING WITH, THESE ARE THE THINGS WE THINK WE WANNA INCORPORATE AND HOW WOULD THEY WORK TOGETHER. SO IT WOULD BE PHASE TWO OF THE PROCESS. YES, MELISSA. SO I'M A LITTLE BAFFLED, AND THE REASON I'M A LITTLE BAFFLED IS WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO EVERYBODY'S POINT. WE'VE DONE THIS, UH, 5,500 SEAT AMPHITHEATER WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT CAME UP HIGH, UM, ON, ON ANY OF THOSE THAT I'M AWARE OF. UM, AND YOUR PLAN PUTS ONE IN HERE. AND SO WE'RE BASICALLY GOING TO TAKE THIS PLAN AND GO BACK AND ASK THE PEOPLE IF THEY WANT WHAT WE ALREADY ASKED THEM. SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO HOW THIS BENEFITS US MOVING FORWARD IF WE'VE ALREADY SORT OF DONE THIS PROCESS AROUND, YES, WE WANT SENIOR HOUSING, YES, WE WANT WORKFORCE HOUSING. YES, WE WANT, YOU KNOW WHAT, SIF WAS NEW. WE DIDN'T HAVE SIF IN THERE, UM, FOR SURE. BUT THE AMPHITHEATER WAS IN THERE AT VARIOUS SIZES, RIGHT? AT 2000 SEATS, AT 4,000 SEATS, AT 5,000 SEATS AS I RECALL. UM, 5,000. AND WE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE HAD OPEN SPACE AND PARK SPACE AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT FITS INTO WHAT YOU'VE GOT HERE. SO IT FEELS LIKE YOU'VE DONE A MASTER PLAN ON TOP OF THE IDEAS WE HAD, WHICH IS, WHICH IS FINE, EXCEPT WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE THE AMPHITHEATER IN THERE. SO THAT TAKES SPACE AWAY FROM SOMETHING. SO, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS THAT TAKING THE SPACE AWAY FROM? AND, AND DO WE CARE AS A, AS A COUNCIL AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT REDUCES HOUSING? I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT REDUCES OPEN PARK SPACE SO THAT WE HAVE OPEN EVENT SPACE THAT EVERYONE CAN GO TO WITHOUT HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATE IN SOME EVENT THAT'S HAPPENING AT THE AMPHITHEATER. SO I, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. I I, I'M SORRY, I'M, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED. I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE ALL THE WAY BACK WHERE WE STARTED. YOU CAN ANSWER ALLY. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. I'M NOT ACTUALLY PROPOSING A 5,500 SEAT AMPHITHEATER. I'M SAYING THAT'S ONE OF THE PRIMARY USES THAT I THINK SHOULD BE IN THE MASTER PLAN. 'CAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR HAVING AN AMPHITHEATER. AND, UH, I'M A HISTORIC PRESERVATIONIST. I'VE RESTORED MANY BUILDINGS IN THE SOUTHWEST. IT'S ALWAYS A TRAGEDY TO TEAR DOWN AN ASSET. AND I THINK THIS IS AN ENORMOUS ASSET FOR THE CITY THAT HAS NOT BEEN SUFFICIENTLY WELL DEVELOPED. AND I THINK YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY NOW TO DO THAT PROPERLY. THE IDEA THAT BECAUSE SOMETHING FAILED AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST MEANS IT'S NEVER GONNA WORK, IS, IS JUST ABSURD. I MEAN, IF THAT WAS TRUE, BUILDINGS WOULD [01:15:01] BE TORN DOWN ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING MANY OF THE BUILDINGS THAT I'VE SUCCESSFULLY RESTORED. SO I, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM SCP TWO, AND OF COURSE YOU CAN EVALUATE THAT. AND WHETHER IT ENDS UP BEING A THOUSAND SEATS OR 2000 SEATS OR 4,000 SEATS, THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION. ALL I'M SUGGESTING IN THIS DISCUSSION IS IT'S POSSIBLE TO SAVE THE AMPHITHEATER AND KEEP IT THERE. YOU DON'T NEED TO TEAR IT DOWN. THERE'S NO COMPELLING REASON TO TEAR IT DOWN WHILE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PLANNING PROCESS. MAYOR, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? PETE? THANK YOU MAYOR. ALAN, I, I WANNA START OFF BY THANKING YOU FOR BEING HERE. UM, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE REALLY HEARD YOU AS A SPOKESMAN HAVING A, A LEADERSHIP ROLE FOR THIS KIND OF EFFORT. YOU BRING A TREMENDOUS BACKGROUND IN THIS KIND OF WORK, UM, TO US. AND, AND I THINK THAT YOU'LL BE VALUE ADDED IN THIS DISCUSSION. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I WANNA TAP INTO MELISSA'S COMMENTS THAT YOU JUST MADE 'CAUSE I WAS GOING DOWN SOME OF THE SAME PATH YOU SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE IN THE SORT OF THE SAME LEVEL AND LANGUAGE THAT THE DIG FOLKS HAVE BEEN TALKING TO US IN THE PAST. AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S GREAT. YOU DID SAY, AND I QUOTE, WE TURNED DOWN THE DIG PLAN AND I DUNNO, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'M NOT SURE WE TURNED DOWN THE DIG PLAN. I THINK WE PUT IT ON PAUSE FOR A LITTLE BIT TILL WE COULD HAVE THIS CONVERSATION OR THIS AND OTHER CONVERSATIONS. SO I'M NOT SURE TURNING DOWN THE DIG PLAN WAS THE RIGHT LANGUAGE. I WOULD LOVE IN FACT TO SEE IF THERE ISN'T ANY COMMON GROUND OR ANALYSIS AGREEMENT BETWEEN YOUR IDEAS AND WHAT DIG WAS SAYING. AND NO DISRESPECT FOR TO YOU, ALAN, BUT YOU DEFINITELY HAVE A, UH, YOU KNOW, A BIAS, UH, YOU HAVE A VISION PARTICULARLY OF WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE COMING, WHICH IS GREAT VOICE IN A MASTER PLAN, BUT THE PEOPLE YOU WANT TO OFFICIATE THAT PROCESS PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE AS INVESTED OR HEADED IN ONE DIRECTION. SO I WOULD ACTUALLY LOVE TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME COMMON GROUND IN THE THINGS THAT YOU SAY AND THE WORDS THAT YOU USE AND THE PLANS THAT WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF MOVED FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT DOWN THE, THE PIPE HERE ON THIS. UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK WE ALL NEED JUST TO BE CAREFUL IN OUR LANGUAGE. WE CHOOSE THINGS TO SAY, I DO IT TOO. WE ALL DO IT. YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU SAY 20 TO $30 AN HOUR. I THINK OUR BALANCED HOUSING PLAN IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHO IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO H HOUSE AND HOW MUCH DO THEY MAKE. AND, YOU KNOW, POLICE OFFICERS MAKE MORE THAN THAT AND THAT'S DEFINITELY ONE OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIT IN HERE TOO. SO WE JUST ALL, AS I SAID ME INCLUDED, NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE USING. NOT TO OVERLY EMOTIONALIZE ONE ELEMENT OF THIS THING OR THE OTHER. UM, YOU REFERENCED 240 HOMES, WE WERE LOOKING AT FOUR 50 WAY DOWN FROM A PREVIOUS NUMBER FROM DIG. UM, THAT TO ME, THAT DOESN'T MEET MY THRESHOLDS YET OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 'CAUSE YOU ACTUALLY EVEN SAID MOSTLY HOUSING, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS PLANET DOESN'T VISUALLY TO ME LOOK LIKE MOSTLY HOUSING. SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AS WELL. AND THEN I THINK TO ALL OF US, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF LAST NIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AND WE MIGHT BE AT THE CUSP OF A CHANGE HERE, BUT LET'S BE CONSCIOUS ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONE CHANGE WITHOUT HAVING SITE PLANS. , I DON'T THINK WE ARE WHAT WE'VE HAD WORDS ON THE DICE TODAY ABOUT ZONE CHANGE IDEAS, RIGHT? SO WE'RE HEADED DOWN THAT SAME, WE HAVE TO DO ZONE CHANGES WHEN WE DO THEM IS DIFFERENT STORIES. SURE. YEAH. YEP. YEP. SO THOSE WERE SOME OF MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. AND, UH, FINALLY, BEFORE I CAN REALLY REACT MUCH MORE ABOUT THE IDEAS THAT YOU'VE PUT ON THE TABLE HERE WITH US AND WHATNOT, THE BIGGEST PART OF, WELL YOU SAID IT WAS MOSTLY HOUSING. I SAY IT MAY BE NOT, BUT THE BIG PART, A BIG PART IS THE CP TWO PARTICULAR PLAN. SO I REALLY CAN'T REACT TOO MUCH MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE SAID UNTIL WE'VE HEARD THE THIRD LEG HERE. THANK YOU. CHARLOTTE, DID YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? UM, YEAH. HI ALAN. GOOD TO SEE YOU. HI, CHARLOTTE. WELL, I ACTUALLY, I I CAN'T SEE YOU, BUT ANYWAY, UM, I, AS THE NEW PERSON, I'M JUST TRYING TO KIND OF ORIENT MYSELF HERE. AND COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOUR RELATIONSHIP IS TO SCP TWO? ARE YOU A CONSULTANT TO THEM? ARE YOU, I, I'M, YOU KEEP REFERRING TO. WE, I'M NOT SURE WHO WE IS AND WHAT YOUR ROLE IS IN THIS DISCUSSION. [01:20:02] SO I AM, UM, I AM ONE PARTY AT THE TABLE WHO HAS NO PERSONAL INTEREST IN THE OUTCOME OTHER THAN I WANNA SEE THE BEST POSSIBLE THING FOR THE CITY. I DON'T WANNA BUILD ANYTHING, I DON'T WANNA OWN ANYTHING. UM, BUT I DO HAVE DEEP EXPERIENCE IN DEVELOPMENT, BOTH FROM A GOVERNMENTAL STANDPOINT AND AS A DEVELOPER. AND SO I, I ONLY GOT INVOLVED BECAUSE I SAW A PLAN THAT WAS TEARING DOWN THE AMPHITHEATER AND I THINK WAS NOT ENTIRELY RESPECTFUL TO THE PROPERTY. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THE PROPERTY. AND THAT'S WHEN I DID THE INITIAL YIELD ANALYSIS BACK IN OCTOBER AND SENT IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHOOSE JUST HOUSING AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHOOSE JUST ARTS, AND THIS IS WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE. SO THAT'S REALLY THE EXTENT OF MY INVOLVEMENT. I, I HAVE, I HAVE DEEP CONTACTS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROFESSION AND IN THE DESIGN PROFESSION. UH, I'VE SPOKEN TO MOST OF THE SCP PEOPLE, BUT I'M NOT PART OF THAT COMMITTEE. UH, OF COURSE I'VE SPOKEN TO PATRICK, I'M NOT PART OF PATRICK'S COMMITTEE. I'M JUST TRYING TO BE A, AN INTERMEDIATE THIRD PARTY TO, TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME COMMON GROUND THAT WE CAN FIND THAT ENABLES CIF AND SC TWO AND THE AMPHITHEATER AND HOUSING TO TAKE PLACE ON THIS PROPERTY. AND I THINK ACTUALLY IN THE LAST MONTH WE'VE MADE ENORMOUS STRIDES. SO NOW WE HAVE YCC IS INTERESTED IN BEING INVOLVED. WE HAVE FAMOUS INTERESTED IN BEING INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, HOW EXCITED EVERYBODY IS ABOUT SF AND I THINK THE PROPOSAL YOU'RE GONNA SEE FROM SCP TWO IN A COUPLE MINUTES IS REALLY QUITE COMPELLING. AND NOW THEY'RE, EVERYBODY'S IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OF A COUPLE HUNDRED HOUSING UNITS. AND OBVIOUSLY TO PETE'S QUESTION, MAYBE IT'S MORE, MAYBE IT'S LESS. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL. UH, MY ROLE IS JUST TO, TO, IF I CAN, TO HELP FACILITATE SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND MAKE SOME OF THOSE THINGS MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. NOW WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER SUCCESS TODAY? THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. THANK YOU. UH, THIS IS NOT AN ACTION ITEM. SO I THINK SUCCESS TODAY IS JUST THAT THE, THE COUNCIL, UH, HEARS THE IDEAS OF THE THREE TEAMS AND AGENDAS AN ACTION ITEM. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A CHARETTE AS A NEXT STEP THAT BRINGS ALL THOSE PARTIES TOGETHER. I THINK FOR THE FIRST TIME, UH, TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE COULD UPDATE THE MASTER PLAN THAT WOULD MEET EVERYBODY'S NEEDS. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AS A NEXT STEP. OKAY, THANK YOU. JUST SORT OF GENERALLY, UM, I THINK WE'RE MISSING A PARTY FROM THIS CONVERSATION QUITE HONESTLY. AND I THINK THAT PARTY IS PARKS AND RECS. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY BENEFIT THERE FOR ALL I KNOW, YOU KNOW, JOSH WOULD LOVE TO KEEP THE, THE AMPHITHEATER AND NOT TEAR IT DOWN, BUT USE IT FOR OTHER PERFORMANCES, SMALLER WHATEVER. AND I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER HEARD ANYTHING FROM PARKS AND REC AROUND WHAT THEY WOULD POTENTIALLY LIKE TO SEE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE AREA BEING, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY BENEFIT AS, AS PARKLAND. SO AT SOME POINT BEFORE ANYTHING GETS DECIDED, I THINK WE, THERE'S A MISSING PARTY HERE, UM, TO THIS CONVERSATION. UM, I KNOW THAT, UH, PARKS, YEAH, AND I WAS STANDING AT ANDY . I DO KNOW THAT PARKS AND REC HAS GIVEN FEEDBACK ON THE MASTER PLAN. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME OF THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF OUR STAFF ARE READY TO SPEAK TO THAT. YES, I CAN IF YOU WANT. OKAY. UM, SO YES, PARKS AND REC, WE DID MEET WITH JOSH, UM, EARLIER ON IN THIS PROCESS AND HE'S BEEN PART OF THE REVIEWS. UM, THEIR CONCERN WAS THAT THEY WANTED A MORE FLEXIBLE EVENT SPACE, UM, THAT WAS NOT AT POSSE GROUND, THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT LARGER, UM, SOMETHING LIKE THE MULTI-USE FIELD, BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT LARGER THAN THAT. UM, THEY, I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY HAPPY WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE PAVILION PERFORMANCE SPACE, BUT SOMETHING THAT GAVE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR THINGS, THE FESTIVALS AND FOOD TRUCK FESTIVAL, MOUNTAIN BIKE FESTIVAL, UM, THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT THEY HOST AT THE PARK. AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE THE MASTER PLAN DRAFT THAT YOU HAD REVIEWED BACK IN SEPTEMBER HAD THE LARGE OPEN AREA AROUND THE TRAILHEAD AREA. THAT WAS IN SOME OF THE DESIGN OF THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. CARRIE DID, AS I RECALL, THEY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, SPACE FOR A THOUSAND TO 2000 PEOPLE. YES. AT EVENTS AND YES, CONCERTS AND THINGS. THE CURRENT AMPHITHEATER, [01:25:01] I USED TO KNOW THE NUMBERS RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I DID NOT REFRESH MY MEMORY RIGHT BEFORE THEN. I BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAID IS THAT IT SEATS 600 PEOPLE MAXIMUM, BUT 400 PEOPLE COMFORTABLY. AND SOMETHING ABOUT DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THAT THEY THINK THEY COULD USE. COULD YOU REPEAT THE LAST PART OF YOUR SENTENCE? THE, SOMETHING LARGER THAN THAT? UM, THEY, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S, THAT 1000 TO 2000 SEAT RANGE IS SOMETHING, IF IT HAD SOME FLEXIBILITY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE A FOOD TRUCK FESTIVAL AS WELL, UM, THEY THINK THAT THEY, THAT WOULD BE VERY USEFUL FOR THE PROGRAMMING THAT THEY'RE DOING. AND THAT WAS KIND OF REFLECTED IN THE LAST DIG, CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I RECALL. YEAH. THANK YOU. TONY, WHAT'S YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON HAVING A COMMITTEE TO WORK WITH AS ALAN PROPOSED? SO I WOULD, IF I MAY, I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT A COMMITTEE, A COMMITTEE TO WORK TO WORK ON THIS COULD BE VALID. I THINK THE THING FIRST AND FOREMOST IS TO, AND I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO COUNCIL'S DECISION SINCE IT'S THE CITY'S PROPERTY, TO HAVE A DETERMINATION. UM, AS COUNCIL MEMBER DUNN WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO GET OUT OF THIS SITE? YOU KNOW, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD PEOPLE SAYING BEFORE? WHAT DO YOU THINK ARE THE RIGHT FIT? WHAT ARE THE RIGHT MIX OF THINGS BEFORE, BEFORE THERE'S A COMMITTEE INVOLVED GIVING THAT COMMITTEE DIRECTION FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, OF THE RANGE OF HOUSING UNITS YOU WERE LOOKING FOR THE SCALE OF AN AMPHITHEATER. DO YOU WANT AN AMPHITHEATER ON THE SITE? DO YOU WANT TO BE THERE? IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ANSWER IS YES. UM, AND, AND JUST WHAT TYPES OF PARTS DO YOU WANT A COMMITTEE OR A GROUP TO BE THINKING OF? UM, AND, AND I WOULD ALSO JUST SUGGEST TOO, AS, AS CARRIE WAS ALLUDING TO, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK ALREADY DONE. IT REALLY DOES COME DOWN TO, UM, WHAT MAKES SENSE WITH WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT IN PLAY, WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, UM, IF ANYTHING, UM, TO MAKE, TO MAKE PIECES FIT. BUT I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST IT'S REALLY GETTING AN UNDERSTANDING AND GIVING GUIDANCE TO WHICHEVER GROUP, WHETHER IT'S A COMMITTEE, WORKING GROUP, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO NAME IT. UM, HEARING FROM, FROM COUNSEL IN TERMS OF THE GUIDANCE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO, TO GO FORTH AND, AND DO THE HOMEWORK YOU GIVE US, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. UH, BRIAN, BUT THEY COULD MAKE A COMMENT TO SOMETHING THAT MELISSA SAID THAT I'M RECALLING. SO CARRIE, UH, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS AFTER I SAY IT, PLEASE JUMP IN. BUT AS, AS I RECALL, WHEN WE WENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC, THERE WAS A, A LARGE POSITIVE RESPONSE OF HAVING A MUSIC VENUE AND OR VENUES FOR EVENTS THAT THE WAY THAT IT WAS PRESENTED WAS, I THINK 1000, 2000, 5,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN PEOPLE VOTED ON THAT. AND, UH, AND SO IF YOU ADDED ALL THREE OF THEM UP, THAT WAS A LARGE VOTE TO HAVE SOMETHING. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE THREE OF THEM WAS SMALL, BUT THE 5,000 SEAT AMPHITHEATER GOT THE FEWEST VOTES. BUT IF YOU ADDED ALL THE VOTES UP, THEN THERE WAS A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WERE INTERESTED IN HAVING A VENUE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. SO THROUGHOUT EACH OF THE OUTREACH PROCESSES, WE HAVE DONE HOUSING AND SOME KIND OF EVENT SPACE HAVE BEEN THE TWO MOST POPULAR OPTIONS. BUT AGAIN, WITHIN EACH OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS HAS VARIED SIZE OF, UM, VENUE HAS VARIED. UM, WITH THE 1000 TO 2000 SEAT AMPHITHEATER BASED ON THE PLANS, I THINK AT THE FEBRUARY PUBLIC MEETING, UM, THE 5,000 SEAT AMPHITHEATER WOULD ESSENTIALLY TAKE MOST OF THE SITE WHERE THE 1000 TO 2000 COULD BE FIT INTO, UM, OTHER DEVELOPMENTS HAVE OTHER OPTIONS. AND THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THE FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC VOTED ON. SO I THINK WAS, AT LEAST IT WAS MY IMPRESSION, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT DICK SAID TO ME, THEY WERE BALANCING THIS, BUT THEY, THEIR DIRECTION, WHETHER THAT WAS FROM STAFF, FROM WHAT THEY THOUGHT COUNCIL WANTED OR THEIR OWN THOUGHTS, WAS TO MAXIMIZE HOUSING AND SACRIFICE OTHER THINGS, BUT TRY TO FIT IT ALL IN. BUT TO MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS, 'CAUSE THEY CAME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, 500 AND SOMETHING, 510 I THINK. I DON'T KNOW. SO THAT'S WHERE WE HAD [01:30:01] A RANGE OF THINGS. WE HAD ONE PLAN AND THOSE WERE THE FOUR PLANS THAT WERE VOTED ON. WE HAD ONE PLAN THAT MAXIMIZED HOUSING. WE HAD ONE PLAN THAT MAXIMIZED THE AMPHITHEATER. WE HAD A COUPLE OTHER PLANS THEY WERE IN BETWEEN. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SUBMITTED A LOT OF COMMENTS AND WE'VE TRIED TO CATEGORIZE 'EM AND TRY TO FIGURE ALL THAT OUT. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, DIG WENT THROUGH A VERY SIMILAR, UM, ANALYSIS AS MR. FEL DID. UM, AND CAME UP WITH ABOUT THE SAME NUMBERS THAT THERE'S ABOUT 27 ACRES, 25 TO 20, 27 ACRES THAT WE SHOULD CONCENTRATE THE DEVELOPMENT IN. THE REST OF IT IS STEEP SLOPES, INACCESSIBLE, THAT SORT OF THING, INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT, AND SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S PROBABLY THE LARGEST VACANT PARCEL IN SEDONA, IT'S NOT LARGE ENOUGH FOR EVERYTHING. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE BALANCE IS, WHERE THE PRIORITIES ARE, AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE FOUR, UM, OPTIONS CAME FROM. UM, NOBODY WANTED THE ONE THAT MAXIMIZED OR THE ONE THAT MAXIMIZED HOUSING, THE ONE THAT MAXIMIZED THE AMPHITHEATER WERE THE LOWEST VOTE GETTERS. SO I WON'T SAY NOBODY WANTED THOSE, BUT THEY WERE THE LOWEST VOTE GETTERS. AND SO WE KIND OF TOOK THOSE TWO IN THE MIDDLE. THEY WERE ACTUALLY, I THINK THEY WERE LIKE WITHIN ONE VOTE OF EACH OTHER. AND SO TRYING TO COMBINE THOSE, MASSAGE THAT A LITTLE FURTHER IS WHERE WE WENT FROM THE FEBRUARY MEETING. SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE ARE STILL. RIGHT, RIGHT. TRYING TO BALANCE ALL OF THE, OF WHICH CAN YOU FIT IT ALL IN? AND IF YOU CAN'T, WHAT DO YOU GIVE UP? RIGHT. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, THE, YOU WANNA MAKE ANY MORE COMMENTS? OH, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM THE, THE AMPHITHEATER TEAM. AND IT IS A FLEXIBLE SPACE. THE NICE THING IS IT'S ALREADY THERE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD A NEW AMPHITHEATER, YOU HAVE TO RENOVATE WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE. AND YOU COULD CERTAINLY HAVE A LOVELY EVENT THERE WITH A HUNDRED PEOPLE OR 500 PEOPLE OR A THOUSAND PEOPLE. SO IT'S A VERY FLEXIBLE USE SPACE. YOU CAN DO ALL KINDS OF PUBLIC EVENTS THERE AND HAVE REVENUE GENERATION OUTTA THAT SPACE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM THEM. AND MAYBE AFTER YOU HEAR FROM THAT, THEN WE COULD HAVE SOME MORE CONVERSATION. YES, I WAS GONNA GO THERE. UH, FIRST BRIAN WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT, UH, QUESTION ACTUALLY SOMEWHAT RANDOM. AND, AND, UH, CARRIE, THIS ONE MIGHT BE TO YOU. DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND WHAT'S THE LARGEST MULTIFAMILY PROJECT IN TOWN BY NUMBER OF UNITS? LIKE IS IT OPINION LOFTS, IS IT SOMETHING ELSE? LIKE WHAT'S THE LARGEST MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AT THIS POINT? GEEZ, UM, THE, THE APARTMENTS BY WYNDHAM HAVE 64 UNITS THERE. PINON, SORRY, HOW MANY? 64. 64, OKAY. KENYON LOFTS IS 45. UM, UP BEHIND THE FIRE STATION. THE SHADOW BROOK. YEAH. UM, THE NEW ONE THAT'S BEING BUILT IS 60 UNITS, THE NAVAJO LOFTS, SHADOW BROOK. I CAN FIND THAT, BUT, UM, THAT, THAT'S FINE. CARRIE, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET SOME SENSE OF SCALE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR OTHER MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS IN TOWN, WHAT DO THEY TYPICALLY LOOK LIKE? AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A LARGER PARCEL THAN WHAT THOSE SIT ON. SO YOU KIND OF HAVE TO TREAT THEM INDIVIDUALLY THINKING ABOUT THEM ON THIS PARCEL. BUT AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO GET SOME SCALE COMPARISON, SO THANK YOU. SO YEAH, SO IN THE LAST, UM, PRESENTATION THAT DIG GAVE, WHICH WE COULD PULL UP IF WE NEEDED TO, WE DID SOME COMPARISONS, BUT WE WERE MOSTLY FOCUSED ON DENSITY. SO UNITS PER ACRE, NOT NECESSARILY TOTAL NUMBER. AND TRYING TO COMPARE THAT TO WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED IN THE MASTER PLAN. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY, UH, ON THE PLAN, INSTEAD OF HAVING JUST BC AND D AS ONE PARCEL, IT'S BROKEN UP INTO SEVERAL DIFFERENT HOUSING PARCELS. 'CAUSE THEN YOU COULD HAVE DIFFERENT TYPOLOGIES AND DIFFERENT PLANS. IT JUST MAKES FOR A MORE INTERESTING, MORE ATTRACTIVE DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU, ALAN. OKAY. THANKS COUNSELORS. OKAY, JEN, OVER TO YOU. , WHILE YOU'RE GETTING SET UP, WE'LL JUST TAKE A QUICK BATHROOM BREAK. OKAY. I, I JUST WANT YOU AUDIENCE, UH, [01:35:01] I'VE GOT A LOT OF CARDS HERE. WE'RE NOT READY FOR A PUBLIC FORUM, BUT WHAT I'M GONNA ASK YOU, WE HAVE THIS ITEM WE WANNA GIVE AS MUCH TIME AS WE CAN TO THIS ITEM. AND WE HAVE TWO OTHER ITEMS AFTER THIS THAT ARE COMPLETELY UNRELATED. IF YOU HAVE WRITTEN TO US, TESTIFIED BEFORE US, WE KNOW YOUR POSITION. SO I'M GONNA LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF TIME BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF CARDS. SO PLEASE JUST COME UP AND IF YOU STILL WANNA COME UP, COME UP AND SAY I IN, IN A MINUTE AND A HALF AS OPPOSED TO THREE MINUTES, WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO KNOW. WE PRETTY, I COULD PRETTY MUCH GO THROUGH EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM AND TELL YOU WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY. 'CAUSE I'VE HEARD FROM YOU ALL BEFORE AND IT'S NOT, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE A, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE FOR SOMETHING, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE MARKING. OH, OKAY. THERE'S 10 PEOPLE WHO SAID THIS AND 10 PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT. SO JUST BE MINDFUL PLEASE, WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC FORUM AN ORDER. MAYOR, YES, IF I MAY, UH, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, WE WERE JUST BACK THERE CELEBRATING OUR MAYOR'S BIRTHDAY, SO EVERYBODY HAPPY BIRTHDAY THERE. HAPPY BIRTHDAY. IT'S ACTUALLY TOMORROW, , I SHARE BIRTHDAY WITH SHANDRA JEFFERSON AND A FEW OTHER PEOPLE IN TOWN. ACTUALLY, I NEVER HAD ANYBODY WHO HAD MY SAME BIRTHDAY, BUT HERE WE ARE IN SEDONA, OF COURSE. RIGHT. THANK YOU. CAN WE DO A SOUND CHECK WITH CHARLOTTE AND SEE IF SHE CAN HEAR MADAM MAYOR CHARLOTTE, CAN YOU HEAR ANY BETTER? YES, I CAN. I CAN NOW. GREAT. I THINK SHE COULDN'T BECAUSE WE WERE ON BREAK AND THERE WAS NO ONE REALLY SPEAKING. OH, , . THE PRESENTATION HAS NOT OCCURRED YET. IT HAS NOT, IT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. NICE TRY. OKAY, JEN AND TEAM. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF. UH, MY NAME IS JENNIFER MAY AND I SERVE ON THE BOARD OF SEDONA CULTURAL PARK 2.0. UH, TODAY I'M HONORED TO PRESENT A BOLD AND ACTIONABLE PLAN TO RESTORE SEDONAS ICONIC AMPHITHEATER, REVIVE WORLD CLASS MUSIC AND CUL CULTURAL EVENTS FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND GENERATE MEANINGFUL REVENUE TO HELP SUPPORT HUNDREDS OF MUCH NEEDED HOUSING UNITS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING BACK A TREASURED CULTURAL ASSET WHILE ADDRESSING ONE OF SEDONAS GREATEST CHALLENGES TOGETHER IN ONE INTEGRATED VISION. WHAT WE STAND TO LOSE THIS AMPHITHEATER IS PART OF SEDONAS SOUL LEGENDS LIKE AL GIRO, TONY BENNETT, WILLIE NELSON, AND NORA JONES HAVE ALL TAKEN THIS STAGE IN THE PAST. IF WE ALLOW IT TO DISAPPEAR, WE LOSE FAR MORE THAN A VENUE. WE LOSE A PIECE OF OUR CULTURAL IDENTITY, BUT THIS LOSS IS NOT INEVITABLE. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IT BACK STRONGER, MORE VIBRANT AND MORE VALUABLE TO OUR COMMUNITY THAN EVER BEFORE. OUR VISION IS HOUSING AND A CULTURE. WE CAN HAVE BOTH. THE CITY MAINTAINS THE OWNERSHIP AND RECEIVES TICKET PARKING AND CONCESSION TAXES, PLUS INCREASED LODGING, TAXES, ALL OF IT THAT CAN BE EARMARKED TO GO TOWARDS HOUSING, COVERING THE LOAN INTEREST AND MAINTAINING THE PARK. THIS MEANS NO NEW TAXES AND NO BURDEN ON THE RESIDENTS. IT IS A TRUE WIN-WIN FOR SEDONA. WITH CULTURE RESTORED, HOUSING SUPPORTED, AND A COMMUNITY ASSET BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE, THE OUTDOOR VENUE MARKET IS BOOMING AT THIS TIME. THE LIVE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS HUGE. IT IS AN $18.5 BILLION MARKET. IT'S GROWING AT 7% PER YEAR. LIVE NATION JUST ANNOUNCED A $1 BILLION PLAN TO BUILD 18 NEW VENUES IN THE NEXT 18 MONTHS. MANY IN MARKETS JUST LIKE OURS. WE ALREADY HAVE THE PERFECT VENUE AND WE ALREADY HAVE THE PERFECT SETTING. AND THANKS TO OUR BOARD'S INDUSTRY CONNECTIONS, WE'VE RECEIVED VERY STRONG INTEREST IN THE SEDONA AMPHITHEATER. FEDERAL REPORT, I'M SORRY, FEDERAL SUPPORT DOES EXIST. THE AMERICAN MUSIC TOURISM ACT OF 2025 ENCOURAGES EXACTLY THIS KIND OF PROJECT. THIS BUILD DIRECTS THE NATIONAL TRAVEL AND TOURISM OFFICE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE TO PROMOTE TOURISM TO MUSIC FESTIVALS, CONCERT VENUES, AND MUSIC RELATED ATTRACTIONS. THIS ADDITIONAL ACTIVITY DURING OUR TRADITIONALLY SLOWER SUMMER PERIOD WILL PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED ECONOMIC SUPPORT AND IT WILL HELP MAINTAIN CONSISTENT HOURS FOR OUR LOCAL EMPLOYEES. WE'RE GONNA PAUSE THIS PRESENTATION FOR JUST A MOMENT AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO THE, UH, MASTER PLANNING SESSION FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE WE WANNA KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT BEFORE WE CONTINUE THIS PRESENTATION. SO I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE DAN FEL. HE'S A FELLOW SCP 2.0 BOARD MEMBER AND ONE OF THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTS OF THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK MASTER PLAN FROM 20 PLUS YEARS AGO. YEAH, GOOD AFTERNOON. DANIEL JENSVOLD, 45 CHITA COURT. UM, WE'RE THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTS MASTER PLANS, ALONG WITH MY PARTNER STEVEN THOMPSON. WE SPENT FIVE YEARS BRINGING THIS VISION TO LIFE IN THE LATE NINETIES AND GOT THIS THING ROLLING IN 2001. [01:40:01] WE WORKED SIDE BY SIDE WITH THE ORIGINAL SDO CULTURAL PARK NON-PROFIT BOARD TO MAKE THE PARK A REALITY. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN. IT'S A LITTLE BLURRY RIGHT THERE ON THAT SCREEN, BUT, UM, THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THE PD EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT. THE USES WE HAVE ON HERE, THE AMPHITHEATER, THE ARTS VILLAGE, THE YAVAPAI COLLEGE IN THE EARLY CONCEPT, UH, WE HAVE A FESTIVAL GROUNDS IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER, AND WE HAD A CENTRAL POINT. UH, IT WAS INTENDED TO BE FOREST SERVICE, UH, TRAILHEAD INTERPRETIVE CENTER FOR THE WHOLE SEDONA. AND ALSO WE HAD A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER DESIGNATED IN THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER. UM, GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS, UH, ORIGINAL PLAN, UH, HAS BEEN UPDATED AS, AS TIME HAS BEEN, LET'S SEE, 20 YEARS. UM, WHAT AND, UH, IT IS ENCOMPASSES WHAT WE HAD BEFORE IT EVOLVED WITH THE TODAY'S NEEDS. UM, WE UPDATED THIS MASTER PLAN, UH, BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS IN 2023 THAT WE NEEDED HOUSING THERE. SO WE, UH, PLANNED WHERE THE CULTURE OR THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER WOULD BE. WE TURNED IT INTO A HOUSING ELEMENT, AND THAT'S LOCATED ON A DOWN SLOPE OF THE PROPERTY. SO IT'D BE BASICALLY HIDDEN FROM THE REST OF THE PARK. GO TO THE NEXT ONE. WE HAVE EVOLVED. UH, THAT WENT A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR. UH, THAT FIRST ONE WAS 75 UNITS. GO BACK ONE. THIS WAS, AND THEN WE INCREASED IT. OKAY, THAT'S THE CURRENT ONE. GO BACK TWO SLIDES. ONE GO FORWARD. ONE. THAT WAS THE RIGHT ONE. THAT WAS ONE 20. OKAY. YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS 75. NOW WE'RE AT ONE. THIS IS 1 25 WHAT WE SUBMITTED. AND THAT WAS, UH, PRESENTED TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL ALSO, UH, ON AN INFORMAL BASIS. AND IT SHOWED 125 UNITS, UH, UPDATING SOME OF THE FEATURES THERE, A LITTLE MORE PARKING, UH, UH, ON SITE, BUT STILL MAINTAINING THE AMPHITHEATER. THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO THE, UH, DIG STUDIO PLAN. WE FIGURE WE KNOW HOW TO DO, WE KNOW THIS SITE. BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR 30 YEARS. WE DID THE, UH, GEN THOMPSON ARCHITECTS DID YA, PI COLLEGE AND THE, UH, FORMER MILLER BROTHERS BUILDING, WHICH IS NOW DARK SKY LTS OF THE STEVENSON FAMILY. SO WE KNOW THIS SITE PRETTY INTIMATELY. SO THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS WHERE WE ARE NOW. THIS, WE'VE TAKEN UP TO 125 UNITS IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER. WE'VE INTEGRATED 50 UNITS IN THE ARTS VILLAGE IN A KIND OF A MIXED USE FACTION. ALL THESE, UH, STRUCTURES ARE TWO TO THREE STORIES, KIND OF TERRACE IN DIFFERENT HEIGHTS AND ADDED PARKING. AND IF YOU SEE AT THE CORNER OF 89 A AND ARTS VILLAGE DRIVE, THAT IS WHAT WE, UH, PLANNED AS THE S SITE FILM FESTIVAL. THERE. WE ADJUSTED OUR EXISTING, UH, PARKING A BIT AND ALSO OUR ARTS VILLAGE DRIVE TO GIVE THEM A, UH, A FOOTPRINT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DO THEIR BUILDING ON THAT SITE. UH, ON THE LO LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER, UH, YOU SEE A, A CONCEPT, AND I THINK WE PASSED OUT SOME LITTLE SKETCHES OF THAT, OF A, A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, WHICH WAS ON OUR ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN IN 95. AND WE REVIVED IT AS A WAY TO CONNECT THE, UH, UH, HIGH SCHOOL, THE, THE SHUTTLE LOT THERE, THE NEW HOTELS AROUND THERE, AND FUNCTION AS A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO THE PARK AND CREATE A SAFER WAY TO GET THERE FROM ACROSS THE 89 A AND ALSO DISPERSE PARKING AND, AND TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT HAPPEN AFTER A CONCERT. IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN STUCK IN A LINE TRYING TO GET OUT, UH, WE'RE HOPING THAT WOULD DIFFUSE IT AND ALSO ALLOW US TO GET TO, UH, MORE SHUTTLE TRAFFIC AND SUCH. AND THAT THE THINGS YOU CAN'T READ VERY WELL ARE, UH, SAYING WE HAVE ROUGHLY 1100 PARKING SPOTS ON SITE, AND THAT INCLUDES YOU HAVE PHI COLLEGE, WHICH WE AS, UH, PATRICK SCHWEISS WAS SAYING. WE HOPE WE CAN INTEGRATE WITH THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, WE DESIGNED THAT BUILDING SO WE KNOW WHAT'S THERE AND HOW IT COULD BE, UH, BROUGHT BACK INTO THE CULTURAL PARK. UH, THE NEXT SLIDE IS A KIND OF, UH, ABSTRACT SHOWING WHERE THE NEW UNITS ARE IN YELLOW, THE GOLDEN COLOR, THE 150 UP TO THE, IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER, AND 50 OF THEM KIND OF INTEGRATED INTO THE ARTS VILLAGE. UH, NEXT SLIDE. THIS KIND OF SHOWS WHAT THE HOUSING COULD LOOK LIKE. IT'S A, A MIX OF A ONE OF STUDIOS, ONE BEDROOM AND TWO BEDROOMS. THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO COMBINE TWO UNITS TO CREATE A THREE BEDROOM UNIT IF, IF IT WOULD BECAME IMPORTANT. UH, THE ARCHITECTURE IS MORE OF A SOUTHWESTERN INDIGENOUS TYPE ARCHITECTURE WITH PRIVACY. ALL DECKS HAVE PRIVATE DECKS VIEWS TO THE RED ROCKS, AND THEY'RE ARRAY IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND KIND OF TERRACE INTO THE HILLSIDE. UH, NEXT SLIDE. AND I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO HERB TIFFANY TO KIND OF EXPLAIN THE PHASING AND COST TO REVIVE IT. IF YOU, I'LL TRY TO SPEAK LOUD. UH, IF YOU CAN'T HEAR ME, I'LL MOVE TO THE MIC. NO, I'M OKAY. [01:45:01] UH, MY NAME IS HERB TIFFANY. I RESIDE IN COVILLE AND WE'VE PROVIDED FOR THREE POTENTIAL PHASES FOR THE RENOVATION OF THE AMPHITHEATER CONTINGENT UPON DONATIONS. FOR THE FIRST PHASE, WE ANTICIPATE COST OF JUST OVER 2 MILLION WITH A CONSTRUCTION TIME TIMELINE OF SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS, AND IN AN INITIAL SEATING CAPACITY OF 1,845 SEATS. THIS PHASE WILL PROVIDE FOR THE CLEANING AND REGRADING OF THE SITE, INCLUDING RESTORING THE SITE DRAINAGE, RESTORING POWER, WATER, AND SEWER TO THE SITE, COMPLETE RESTORATION OF THE STAGE RESTORA RESTORATION OF THE EXISTING RESTROOM, BUILDING PAVING OF THE PRIMARY ACCESS ROAD AND FIXED STADIUM SEATING AT THE TWO LOWER SEATING AREAS THAT ARE INDICATED IN THE IN RED. THERE, UH, PHASE TWO WOULD COST APPROXIMATELY SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION AND WOULD RESTORE THE AMPHITHEATER TO THE CONDITION THAT IT WAS IN BEFORE IT WAS SHUTTERED. UH, INCLUDING SOME ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS CONSISTING OF A BACKSTAGE SCREEN WALL, BACKSTAGE, GREEN ROOMS, AND BACKSTAGE OFFICES, INCLUDING TICKET BOOTHS AND UPPER LEVEL CONCESSION STANDARDS. THIS WILL INCREASE THE SEATING TO 5,063 SEATS WITH AN ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE OF EIGHT MONTHS. IT IS OUR DESIRE TO COMPLETE PHASES ONE AND TWO CONCURRENTLY IF POSSIBLE. HOWEVER, WE, IF WE CAN'T RAISE THE FUNDING REQUIRED FOR BOTH PHASES, WE CAN AT LEAST GET THE VENUE OPERATIONAL AT A SMALL CAPACITY, THE 1,845 SEATS, WHICH WILL ENABLE US TO SOLICIT FROM LARGE DONORS ONCE THEY SEE THE PROMISE AND THE VIABILITY OF THIS VENUE. UH, THE THIRD AND FINAL PHASE WOULD BE TO BUILD OUT THE EAST AND WEST WINGS, WHICH WERE PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVED PLAN, BUT WERE NEVER CONSTRUCTED. THIS WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL RESTROOMS AND CONCESSIONS AND 467 ADDITIONAL PREMIUM ELEVATED SEATS, INCREASING THE TOTAL SEATING CAPACITY TO FI 5,530. THIS PHASE WOULD COST JUST OVER $12 MILLION AND TAKE APPROXIMATELY 10 TO 12 MONTHS TO BUILD. NOW I'D LIKE TO HAND IT BACK OFF TO DAN, NOW WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE EDITOR. JUST BACK UP, JUST, UH OH, NO, YOU'RE THERE. NEXT ONE. FINE. SORRY, KEEP GOING. OKAY. THIS IS A CHARACTER SKETCH OF WHAT THE, UH, UM, THE ARTS VILLAGE LOOKED LIKE. THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT CHANGED FROM OUR ORIGINAL VISION FOR IT. AND, UH, PERSPECTIVE SKETCH SHOWING THE CHARACTER OF THAT. UH, ONCE AGAIN, UM, WE'VE, WE PUT THE HOUSING IN A PLACE WHERE WE CAN KEEP THE AMPHITHEATER FUNCTIONING. IT, THE SECURITY, THE PARKING AND ALL THAT STUFF IS, UH, THE HOUSING'S BEEN ISOLATED IN ONE CORNER, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN GATE. IF WE GO BACK TO THE FIRST SHEET, THAT WOULD, OR THE FOURTH SHEET. NEXT ONE. NEXT, NEXT. NO. OKAY. SORRY. KEEP GOING BACK. ONE, ONE MORE. ONE MORE, ONE MORE. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S GOOD. THAT KIND OF SHOWS WHERE THE HOUSING'S GONNA BE AND THE REST OF THE SITE IS DEDICATED AND WE'LL BE, UH, CUT OFF FROM THE, UH, ACCESS OF THE RESIDENTS THAT MIGHT BE THERE. BUT IT ALLOWS THE AMPHITHEATER TO FUNCTION AND WE HAVE OUR SECURITY THERE. AND THEN THE, THE ACTIVITY THAT WOULD STILL BE HAPPENING WOULD BE WITHIN THE ARTS BUILDING THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED WITH THE, UH, CAFES, WHATEVER THE KIND OF DIFFUSE THE, UH, IMPACT OF LARGE POPULATIONS OF PEOPLE DESCENDING AT THE SAME TIME. IT KIND OF SPREADS IT OUT. AND YOU CAN GO BEFORE A SHOW, AFTER A SHOW AND STILL HAVE LIVING UNITS THERE. HOPEFULLY SOME OF 'EM ARE ARTISAN RESIDENTS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE THEORY BEHIND THIS. AND THEN THE, UH, FINAL SLIDE. JUST GO THE WAY THE END. THAT'S KIND OF JUST A, A, A CONCEPT OF HOW THIS ARCHITECTURE WOULD LOOK TERRACE, UH, IN, INTO THE HILLSIDE, INTO THE NATURE THING. THIS IS JUST A SCHEMATIC MODEL, SO WE DON'T HAVE THE TREES AND THEY'RE GONNA BE SAVED. THE PINION AND JUNIPER TREE WE SAVED EVERY TREE COULD POSSIBLY SAVE ON THAT SITE WITH THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T SEE THE PARKING AREAS THAT ARE THERE. UH, SO THAT KIND OF CONCLUDES, UH, A BRIEF VIEW OF, UH, THE MASTER PLAN. OKAY. I KNOW WE SUBMITTED TO YOU THE ST. AUGUSTINE, UH, MODEL AND THEY HAD DONE A, AN EXTENSIVE, UM, RESEARCH ON HOW TO MAKE THAT VIABLE ECONOMICALLY FOR THE CITY. UM, AND SO I'M KIND OF JUST WHIPPING THROUGH SOME OF THESE SLIDES BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION ON HERE. BUT WE WILL PUT THIS SLIDE UP PROBABLY ON OUR WEBSITE AFTERWARDS AND, UH, AND HAVE IT AVAILABLE FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO LOOK AT IT. UM, BUT ANYWAY, JUST TO KIND OF GET BACK TO WHAT OUR POINT WAS, ST. ST AUGUSTINE HAS ALMOST THE EXACT SAME SETUP THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WHICH IS WHERE THE CITY OWNS THE VENUE. A NONPROFIT RUNS IT, BUT EVERY TAX DOLLAR GOES BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY. THIS PLAN DOES WORK. WE CAN REPLICATE IT OR WE CAN ADAPT IT FOR WHAT SEDONA NEEDS. SLIDE SEVEN. UH, IN 2022, [01:50:01] THERE WERE 290,000 TICKETS SOLD FOR ST. AUGUSTINE. IT HAD $39.5 MILLION IN TOTAL ECONOMIC IMPACT AND 17.8 MILLION IN HOTEL REVENUE ALONE IN 2025. I HAVE SOME UPDATED NUMBERS. THE AMPHITHEATER, TICKET SALES RANK NUMBER TWO IN THE US AND NUMBER THREE IN THE WORLD. 63% OF ATTENDEES TRAVELED FROM OUTSIDE THE REGION. RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE ARE ALREADY TRAVELING HERE FOR THE SEDONA EXPERIENCE, BUT OUR AMPHITHEATER CAN AND SHOULD RANK AMONG THE BEST IN THE WORLD. THE IMPACT IS REAL REVENUE LIKE THIS CAN BUILD REAL HOUSING AND SUPPORT STABLE YEAR ROUND JOBS. I THINK I'VE MENTIONED TO YOU GUYS BEFORE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SUMMERTIME HERE FOR A LOT OF THE HOTELS AND TOURIST INDUSTRY SLOWS WAY DOWN. A LOT OF THE WORKERS THAT ARE HERE END UP GETTING THEIR HOURS CUT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN PROVIDE STEADY INCOME FOR THEM. FOR THE REST, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE YEAR, WE HAVE NINE. UM, OUR TEACHERS, NURSES, FIREFIGHTERS, AND HOSPITALITY WORKERS CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY THEY SERVE RIGHT NOW. BUT THIS PLAN CAN CHANGE THAT. OOPS. THE AMPHITHEATER CAN GENERATE REAL REOCCURRING REVENUE FOR HOUSING ENOUGH TO SHIFT THE BURDEN OFF OF SEDONAS RESIDENTS. OUR GOAL IS VERY SIMPLE, A FUNDING STREAM THAT REDUCES RELIANCE ON THE GENERAL FUND AND AVOIDS NEW TAXES. AND I THINK WITH THIS MODEL, THE GOAL IS WITHIN REACH. OUTDOOR AMPHITHEATERS NATIONWIDE HAVE PROVEN EXTREMELY POPULAR AND GENERATE SIGNIFICANT ONGOING REVENUE FOR THEIR HOST CITIES. AS WE PARTNER WITH THE CITY TO FINALIZE THE OPERATING MODEL, WE WILL DEVELOP A DETAILED BUSINESS PLAN WITH PRECISE TAILORED FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS. RIGHT NOW, OUR PROJECTED IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WOULD BE TO RAISE PRIVATE FUNDS AND BEGIN RENOVATION. WE ALREADY UNDER ARE UNDERWAY WITH THAT, THE, WITH PRO BONO ARCHITECTURAL SUPPORT FROM JENS FELDEN THOMPSON, THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTS OF THE CULTURAL PARK. NUMBER TWO, THE CITY WOULD PARTNER ON INITIAL HOUSING, LIKE ALAN SAID. PUT OUT AN RFP FOR THAT AND BUILD AND CONSTRUCT 200 UNITS AT THE CULTURAL PARK. NUMBER THREE, THE AMPHITHEATER WOULD OPEN. WE WOULD AIM FOR 20 TO 30 PAID CONCERTS PLUS FREE COMMUNITY EVENTS. AND NUMBER FOUR, ONGOING REVENUE SUPPORTS THE FUTURE HOUSING. WE BELIEVE THE TAX REVENUE FROM THE AMPHITHEATER COULD HELP FUND AN ADDITIONAL FOUR TO 500 UNITS CITYWIDE OVER TIME, CREATING A LARGELY SELF-SUSTAINING MODEL. THE PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT FROM THIS ARE THE TEACHERS, NURSES, NURSES, FIRST RESPONDERS, AND HOSPITALITY WORKERS THAT WHO CAN FINALLY LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY THEY SERVE. WE BELIEVE THIS IS SEDONA, THAT WE ALL WANT A VIBRANT, THRIVING HOME FOR OUR KIDS AND KIDS ADDRESSING CONCERNS. WHY DID IT FAIL 20 YEARS AGO? WHAT WE DO KNOW FROM THE PAST IS MR. MIKE TENISON, WHO PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND THEN SOLD IT BACK TO THE CITY 20 YEARS LATER, TOLD THE COUNCIL, AND THIS IS A QUOTE, WITHOUT DEBT SERVICE, THE VENUE WOULD'VE BEEN PROFITABLE. THREE OUT OF THE FOUR YEARS WITH A CUMULATIVE POSITIVE CASH FLOW OF $669,000, EVEN THE FOURTH YEAR, SHOWED A PRE DEBT SERVICE PROFIT WITH PROPER MANAGEMENT AND GROWTH. THIS VENUE COULD BE VIABLE IF IT DIDN'T CARRY DEBT. WHAT IS DIFFERENT TODAY? THE MUSIC BUSINESS HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY. ARTISTS NOW PRETTY MUCH SOLELY EARN THEIR INCOME FROM TOURING. PROMOTION IS INSTANTANEOUS VIA SOCIAL MEDIA AND APPS AND AMPHITHEATERS NATIONWIDE ARE THRIVING. SEDONA, WE BELIEVE, IS NOW READY FOR THIS MODEL. TRAFFIC AND TOURISM. THERE'S NO IMPACT BEYOND THE EXISTING LODGING CAPACITY BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT CONCERT GOERS PLAN AHEAD, THEY BOOK THEIR THEIR LODGING AT AT THE SAME TIME THEY BUY THEIR TICKETS MOST OF THE TIME. AND THE EVENTS HAPPEN IN THE WEEKENDS AND ON THE EVENINGS. AS FAR AS PARKING GOES, THERE'S 1100 SPACES AT THE CULTURAL PARK, PLUS 80 AT YAVAPAI COLLEGE. AND ANOTHER 820 NEARBY SHUTTLES, RIDE SHARES AND EVENT PACKAGES WILL MANAGE THAT OVERFLOW. JOHN BRADSHAW ALREADY DOES THAT FOR THE SF AND HE'S GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF INFORMATION THAT HE CAN SPEAK TO ON THAT REGARD. AND THEN AS FAR AS SOUND, UH, AS IT DID IN THE PAST, THE AMPHITHEATER WILL OPERATE UNDER STRICT DECIBEL LIMITS WITH MODERN SYSTEMS THAT FOCUS THE AUDIO ON THE AUDIENCE. WE ALSO HAVE A MEMBER OF OUR BOARD THAT ACTUALLY HAS WORKED WITH SOUND SYSTEMS FOR YEARS, AND HE'S GONNA SPEAK ON THAT TONIGHT AS WELL. UH, THE COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN, WE BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND SEDONA HAS A LOT OF DEEP NOSTALGIA OVER THE CULTURAL PARK, AND THEY WANT IT BACK. THERE'S A STRONG EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT TO IT AND A POWERFUL DESIRE TO SEE THIS VENUE RESTORED. WE BELIEVE THE AMPHITHEATER WAS AHEAD OF ITS TIME, BUT THE COMMUNITY IS CALLING FOR CONCERTS, FESTIVALS, FILM SCREENING, YOGA EVENTS, AND A VIBRANT GATHERING PLACE. AND THIS PLAN DELIVERS BOTH AS FAR AS VOTER APPROVAL, WE BELIEVE IT ALREADY EXISTS IN THE 1995 MASTER PLAN THAT IS STILL VIABLE AND IN PLACE. NOW IS THE PERFECT TIME TO UPDATE THIS FOR HOUSING AND CULTURE. AND USING TODAY'S TECHNOLOGY AND MARKET OPPORTUNITIES, WE'RE HOPING TO MOVE FORWARD AND BRING THE CULTURAL PARK BACK TO LIFE. THE REALISTIC TIMELINE IS THAT YEAR ONE, WE WOULD GET APPROVALS, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, FINALIZED, DESIGN AND FINANCING. YEAR TWO, RENOVATE [01:55:01] THE AMPHITHEATER, MONTHS 24 TO 30 WOULD BE A GRAND OPENING AND LAUNCH THE CONCERT SEASON. RE RE REVENUE STARTS AND HOUSING FUNDS STARTS MONTHS 32, 36. FULL PROGRAMMING COMMENCES, TAX REVENUE, BUILDS HOUSING AND THE MODEL'S PROVEN OUT. AND THEN YEAR THREE AND BEYOND, ONGOING EXPANSION, THRIVING CULTURAL AND HOUSING ECOSYSTEM. AND LASTLY, WE JUST ASK THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL TO TELL YOU THAT THIS IS YOUR LEGACY MOMENT. WE ASK YOU TO WORK WITH SCP 2.0 TO HELP FINALIZE AND APPROVE AN UPDATED MIXED USE MASTER PLAN, AND TO AUTHORIZE A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH SEDONA CULTURAL PARK 2.0 TO OPERATE THE AMPHITHEATER. THIS IS NOT JUST AN AMPHITHEATER, IT IS A REBIRTH OF CULTURE IN SEDONA FUNDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TOWARDS NEW HOUSING REVENUE EVERY YEAR, AND A STRONGER LOCAL ECONOMY, ALL WITHOUT RAISING TAXES. WE HOPE YOU'LL JOIN WITH US TO BUILD A LEGACY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE JOHN BRADSHAW. NOW. ALL GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, MY NAME IS JOHN BRADSHAW. I'M A NATIVE BORN RESIDENT OF SEDONA AND THE PRESIDENT OF SCP TWO, RESIDING AT 2340 ROADRUNNER ROAD IN SEDONA. I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE THIS EVENING BY BRIEFLY REVIEWING OUR PURPOSE, OUR OUTCOMES, AND OUR SPECIFIC REQUESTS THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TODAY. CP TWO HAS ACTIVELY PARTICIPATED IN NEARLY ALL THE EVENTS FACILITATED BY DIG STUDIOS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. WE HAVE ENGAGED WITH MANY STAKEHOLDERS PRESENT HERE TODAY, INCLUDING STAFF COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE RESIDENTS OF SEDONA. WE'VE SPENT CONSIDERABLE TIME REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND SPEAKING WITH OUR FELLOW RESIDENTS TO, UM, TO POSSIBLY ENSURE THAT THEIR VOICES ARE REPRESENTED HERE WITH US. WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THE RESULT OF THAT EXTENSIVE RESEARCH AND OUTREACH. WE BELIEVE THAT THIS MARKS THE BEGINNING OF A PLANNING EFFORT THAT IS TRULY RESIDENT DRIVEN AND GIVES US THE STRONGEST POSSIBLE FOUNDATION FOR SUCCESS. ALL SIDES HAVE MADE COMPROMISES AND A THOUGHTFUL BALANCE PLAN IS BEGINNING TO TAKE SHAPE. WITH THAT IN MIND, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE FOLLOWING THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVE, UM, C-P-S-C-P TWO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A DESIGNATED STAFF MEMBER OR COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE WHO CAN FORMALLY COLLABORATE WITH US NEGOTIATIONS FOR TICKET SALES ENTITIES, AND REACH OUT TO STATE AND FEDERAL GRANT OPPORTUNITIES ALONG WITH LOCAL FUNDRAISING OPPORTUNITIES. WE ASK THAT THIS ARRANGEMENT BE ESTABLISHED IN WRITING AND ALSO IN WRITING. WE'D LIKE GUIDANCE OUTLINES FOR THE PROCESS FOR BRINGING ITEMS FORWARD TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, JOHN. THANK YOU JEN AND COMPANY, UH, COUNCIL HAVE QUESTIONS. DERICK. SO DO YOU HAVE A STUDY THAT GOES INTO DETAIL ON THE CONDITION OF THE AMPHITHEATER AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO REVISE IT AND BRING IT BACK UP TO SPEC? WELL, HER, TIFFANY AND MYSELF CAN ADDRESS THAT. UM, I THINK IT WAS TWO AND A HALF OR ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO. I, UH, WE GOT A, WE HAD OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, JACK TRUMER COME OUT THERE, WALK THE SITE WITH ME. WE REVIEWED THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO WESTERN WOOD STRUCTURES WHO WERE THE ORIGINAL ENGINEERS OF THE ARCH SYSTEM. AND, UH, OUR, OUR REPORT FINALIZED, UH, AS MUCH AS WE COULD WITHOUT GETTING INTO A LOT OF DETAILS. UH, IT'S IN GREAT SHAPE. THE MASONRY IS, UH, IS, UH, FINE. THERE'S NO PROBLEM. STRUCTURALLY, THERE'S A FEW TOP CAP LITTLE PIECES THAT CAME OFF. THE ARCHES ARE IN GOOD SHAPE. THEY'RE ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR A 50 YEAR LIFESPAN MINIMUM. THEY'RE USED FOR TRAFFIC, UH, HIGHWAY BRIDGES IN THE NORTHWEST. UH, THERE'S, UH, SOME MAINTENANCE THAT OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE DONE. THE STAGE ITSELF HAS A PLYWOOD SUB SUBFLOOR, IF YOU WILL, WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN A SACRIFICIAL THING THAT'S USED FOR NAILING DOWN CABLES AND STAGE SETS, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, OBVIOUSLY, THAT THESE REPLACED. UH, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THE PREVIOUS OWNER RIPPED OUT ALL ELECTRICAL STUFF, TOOK ALL ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, TOOK DOWN ALL OUR LIGHT STANDERS AND ALL THAT STUFF, BUT WE BASICALLY HAVE THE ORIGINAL PERMITTED SET WITH THE CITY OF SEDONA THAT HAS ALL THE DETAILS ON THAT. AND WE ARE, AND HERB CAN ADDRESS THAT, BUT WE'RE, THAT'S OUR PLAN IS TO REPLACE THAT. BUT IT IS STRUCTURALLY SOUND. THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THE STAGE HOUSE OR STAGE ROOF THAT IT JUST NEEDS TO BE RE-ROOFED. IT HASN'T HAD ANY MAINTENANCE FOR 20 YEARS. SO IT'S DEFINITELY RECOVERABLE AND WE WOULD GET INTO MORE DETAIL ON THAT AS SOON AS WE GET THE, UH, SOME KIND OF GO AHEAD TO START SAVING WHAT'S THERE AND GETTING IT GOING AGAIN. SO HERB, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME, I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD ADD ANYTHING MORE, DAN, I MEAN, YOU PRETTY WELL SAID THAT THE BUILDING IS IN NEED OF SOME COSMETIC REPAIRS. UM, OBVIOUSLY THE SITE UTILITIES HAVE TO BE BROUGHT IN BOTH [02:00:01] THE WATER SYSTEM. ARIZONA WATER COMPANY WILL TELL YOU THEIR, THEIR LINE IS STILL INTACT. THE SERVICES JUST NEED TO BE BROUGHT IN. THE PUMPS NEED TO BE REPLACED AT THE LIFT STATION AND POSSIBLY SOME OF THAT GRAVITY SEWER LINE. AND THEN THE POWER NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT IN. BUT ALL THE CONDUIT IS IN THERE. IT'S JUST BRINGING THE WIRE, BRINGING THE CABLE IN AT THIS POINT THAT HAS BEEN STRIPPED OUT OF THERE PREVIOUSLY. BUT THE, THE BUILDING, THE STRUCTURAL, THE BACKBONE OF THAT BUILDING IS IN, OR THAT STRUCTURE IS IN GOOD SHAPE. OKAY. IS THERE A WRITTEN REPORT THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO OUR STAFF FOR REVIEW? UH, WE CAN GO BACK AND RECOVER THAT. WE GOT A LETTER FROM WESTERN WOOD STRUCTURES. UH, THEY, THEY TALKED ABOUT IT AND ALSO I GUESS THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT JACK TRUMMER AND I PUT TOGETHER, UH, BACK THEN, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY, BUT WE COULD RECOVER THAT AND DO A, AN ADDITIONAL, WHICH WE WOULD DO ANYWAY, UH, ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS FOR THIS. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU, AND YOU'VE SEEN, WE HAD CORE STRUCTURE GROUP DO A STRUCTURAL CONDITION ASSESSMENT IN, WAS IT, I THINK EARLIER THIS YEAR? UM, OH, NO, THAT WASN'T US, BUT NO, NO, NO. I KNOW, BUT YOU'VE SEEN THAT, YEAH. THE CITY DID THAT. BUT YOU, YOU'VE SEEN THAT REPORT. I THINK IT BASICALLY AGREED WITH WHAT I'M SAYING. AM I MISTAKEN, ANDY? UH, LET'S SEE. I BELIEVE, UH, STEVE MURTI OVERSAW DOING THAT INVESTIGATION AND OR THAT ANALYSIS, I SHOULD SAY. UM, , THE DETAILS OF THAT ARE A BIT FUZZY IN MY MIND, BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO IT AND GET BACK WITH YOU IF YOU'D LIKE. CARRIE, I WAS GOING TO AGREE WITH ANDY. UM, I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF I COULD FIND IT IN MY EMAIL, BUT I CAN'T. AND STEVE WOULD BE THE ONE WHO KNOWS THAT IN DEPTH AND HE'S UNFORTUNATELY WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY. BUT WE CAN GET THAT TO YOU. OKAY. I I HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. WELL, DEREK COULDN'T TALK. OF COURSE YOU DO. WELL, WAS THIS DONE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO REVIVE IT? BECAUSE I, THE WAY I READ THIS REPORT WAS, IS THIS THING GONNA FALL DOWN? DO WE NEED TO TEAR IT DOWN NOW OR IS IT GONNA STAND FOR, YOU KNOW, FORESEEABLE? AS I RECALL, THAT WAS THE PURPOSE BEHIND DOING THAT ANALYSIS. IT WAS TO DETERMINE IF IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE AT THIS POINT. OKAY. BECAUSE WHAT THE CONCLUSION IS, YOU KNOW, BASED ON OUR VISUAL INVESTIGATION IS OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, THE AMPHITHEATER STRUCTURE IS NOT IN DANGER OF IMMINENT COLLAPSE. HOWEVER, REMEDIATION OR DECONSTRUCTION IS REQUIRED TO ENSURE THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT BECOME A HAZARD. WE RECOMMEND YEARLY INSPECTIONS ON THE STRUCTURE TO ASSESS THE POTENTIAL FOR COLLAPSE IF REMEDIATION OR DECONSTRUCTION DOES NOT OCCUR WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR. UM, IN PARTICULAR, I'M FOCUSING ON THE GLUE LAMB BEAMS THERE, THERE'S A PICTURE, UM, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I CAN'T PULL IT OUT RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE'S A PICTURE OF A POCKET KNIFE EMBEDDED ABOUT TWO INCHES INTO A GLUE LAMB BEAM. UM, I, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT'S FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL. IF I RECALL, THOSE BEANS ARE 48 INCHES DEEP AND THAT THAT'S THE TOP LAMB, WHICH NEVER RECEIVED FOR SOME REASON, IT'S, UH, UH, METAL CAP TO PROTECT THE WOOD, BUT THAT CAN BE TREATED WITH, UH, EPOXY AND LIKE A SPOT TREATMENT, IF YOU WILL. UH, UH, AND WE WOULD DEFINITELY VERIFY THAT STUFF WITH A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AGAIN AND THE ORIGINAL, UH, MANUFACTURER AND INSTALLER OF THAT SYSTEM. SO YOU DON'T THINK YOU'D HAVE TO PEEL OFF THAT FIRST LAYER BEAMS AND REPLACE IT? I THINK IT WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF, LIKE YOU SEE ON, ON CONCRETE, A PUT IN EPOXY MIX OR SOMETHING, AND THEN COVER IT UP WITH, IT SHOULD BEEN WITH FLASHING METAL FLASHING TO PROTECT IT. OKAY. AND GETS TREATED. IT NE THAT THOSE GO LIMBS HAVE, THEY ARE PRESSURE TREATED, UH, DESIGNED FOR, UH, UM, 50 YEAR, UH, HIGHWAY BRIDGE, IF YOU WILL. UH, BUT THEY NEVER HAD ANY, AS YOU KNOW, ARIZONA CLIMATE REQUIRES, UH, EVERY COUPLE YEARS A NEW CODE OF OIL, PENETRATING OIL AND SUCH. OKAY. UM, MOVING ON FROM THE CONDITION, YOU TALKED ABOUT LEVEL OF INVOLVEMENT FROM THE CITY. YOU SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR THOUGHT IS THAT THE CITY WOULD OWN IT AND THE NONPROFIT WOULD RUN IT. UM, IF IT CAN'T SUPPORT ITSELF, WHO PAYS, WHO PAYS TO KEEP THINGS GOING UNDER YOUR SUGGESTION? WELL, I THINK THE, THE BUSINESS MODEL THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAS, YOU KNOW, RENOVATING THIS WITH DONATIONS. AND IT'S A LOT, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO KIND OF WHAT PAT WAS DOING WITH, WITH THE FILM FESTIVAL. YOU HAVE DONATIONS FROM DIFFERENT ENTITIES, DIFFERENT, UH, BENEFACTORS, UM, DIFFERENT SPONSORSHIPS, THINGS LIKE THAT. AS FAR AS THE RUNNING OF IT, WE WOULD PROBABLY BE PARTNERING WITH ONE OF THE MAJOR, UH, MUSIC, UH, AMPHITHEATER MANAGERS, LIKE A LIVE NATION OR AN A EG OR ONE OF THOSE. UM, THEIR WHOLE PURPOSE BEHIND WHAT THEY DO IS TO MANAGE AND MAKE SURE THAT ACTS DON'T DOUBLE BOOK IN CLOSE AREAS. I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT TOOK PLACE A LOT. UH, 20 SOMETHING YEARS AGO, THEY WOULD ENACT, WOULD COME TO PHOENIX, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE, IT WOULD COME UP HERE AND PEOPLE WOULDN'T COME UP TO SEE IT. [02:05:01] SO, UM, THEY HAVE THAT DOWN TO A SCIENCE. THOSE ENTITIES HAVE THAT DOWN TO A SCIENCE. AND SEVERAL OF OUR MEMBERS HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE AT, AT DIFFERENT ENTITIES LIKE THAT. AND THERE'S SOME PRETTY SERIOUS INTEREST IN WANTING TO HELP MANAGE THAT. OKAY. BUT UNDER THAT, WHAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED, IF THE REVENUE FROM THE AMPHITHEATER ISN'T ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN IT, WHO'S GONNA HAVE TO STEP IN AND MAKE UP THE SHORTFALL? I I THINK OUR, OUR WHOLE GROUP IS, IS AWARE THAT THIS IS OUR LAST CHANCE TO TRY TO SAVE THIS AMPHITHEATER. AND IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES AT WHAT, WHATEVER POINT, YOU KNOW, A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THAT THIS IS NOT GONNA WORK OUT FOR SOME REASON, WHATEVER IT IS, UM, IT WOULD BE UP TO YOU TO TELL US THAT YOU'RE DONE AND YOU CAN AT THAT POINT SCRAP IT AND, AND TURN IT TO HOUSING IF YOU WANTED TO. BUT WE, WE ARE FULLY AWARE THAT THIS IS THE LAST CHANCE TO SAVE THIS AMPHITHEATER. AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO KEEP IT UNDER CITY COUNCIL CONTROL SO THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE DECISION DOWN THE ROAD, NOT, NOT SO MUCH US, BUT UNDER CITY COUNCIL CONTROL AND THE CITY OF SEDONA. OKAY. AND DO YOU HAVE, UM, ANY PROJECTIONS FOR WHAT, HOW MANY BOOKINGS YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ANNUALLY TO KEEP THIS THING ON? YOU KNOW, IN THE BLACK? I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE COULD WORK WITH YOU ON, ON COMING UP WITH A BUSINESS MODEL OF WHAT YOU WANNA SEE, WHETHER IT'S AFTER ST. AUGUSTINE OR SOME OTHER, UM, ADAPTION OF THAT, WE CAN SIT DOWN AND ACTUALLY DO A, A FINANCIAL PROJECTION AND A BUSINESS PROPOSAL THAT WILL HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION IN IT. BUT I DO KNOW RIGHT NOW, MUSIC, UH, OUTDOOR MUSIC VENUES ARE BOOMING ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND, YOU KNOW, EVIDENTLY IF LIVE NATION'S GONNA INVEST A BILLION DOLLARS IN 18 IN THE NEXT 18 MONTHS, IT, IT IS A VIABLE BUSINESS. WELL, IT MIGHT BE FOR THE NEXT 18 MONTHS THOUGH. I MEAN, THE MARKET EVENTUALLY GETS SATURATED, DOESN'T IT? I, I I GUESS THAT'S, IT'S THE OPINION . NO, I'M JUST ASKING. I MEAN, EXACTLY. YEAH. RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS TO BE VERY POPULAR WITH TOWNS TO BUILD AMPHITHEATERS, BUT WHEN EVERYBODY RUNS OUT AND DOES IT THEN LOSES SOME OF ITS NOVELTY POTENTIALLY. SO IT COULD OKAY. BUT, BUT THERE'S NOT A SEDONA EVERYWHERE. THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S TRUE. . OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MELISSA. SO IF THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT THING TO YOU GUYS, WHICH IT APPARENTLY IS, WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST BUY THIS LAND BACK INSTEAD OF THE CITY BUYING THE LAND? ANSWER TO THAT ONE ANSWER THAT. WELL, I THINK TENNYSON SAID IT BEST. THIS IS VIABLE WITHOUT THE DEBT SERVICE. ONCE, ONCE THE CITY WENT OUT AND BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, THAT'S WHAT MADE THIS A VIABLE PROJECT. AGAIN, UNTIL THAT POINT, IT, THERE WAS, IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO SERVICE THE DEBT FOR, WHAT DID YOU GUYS PAY FOR 27 MILLION OR WHATEVER IT WAS, 2282, WHAT WAS IT? 2242. SO THERE'S NO WAY TO SERVICE THAT DEBT WITH THIS AND MAKE IT VIABLE. BUT NOW THAT, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE MADE IT PART OF THE CITY OF SEDONA AND THERE WOULDN'T BE A DEBT NUMBER THAT WE HAVE TO COVER, IT'S JUST PART OF SALE SALES TAX, REVENUE GENERATION, UM, HOTEL TAX GENERATION THAT IT GENERATES, IT WILL DEFINITELY HELP SUPPORT THE CITY IN MAKING ITS ITS PAYMENTS, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE ITS PAYMENTS ITSELF JUST TO SOLELY SUPPORT THAT PROJECT ON ITS OWN. AND THAT, I THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL. I THINK TENNYSON SAID IT BEST. SO KURT, IF I COULD ASK YOU A QUESTION, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW OUR SALES TAX REFERENDUM WAS WORDED WHEN WE SAID SALES TAX AND GOT PERMISSION AND ALL THAT STUFF FROM THE RESIDENTS JUST INCLUDE TICKETS OR WOULD WE HAVE TO ASK FOR A NEW TAX OR BARBARA BAR? BARBARA'S READ IT MORE FREQUENTLY, APPARENTLY. SORRY. UM, ACTUALLY, UH, BOTH ANNETTE AND I REACHED OUT TO ACCOUNTING TO FIND OUT, AND YES, THEY'RE COVERED UNDER THE AMUSEMENTS CATEGORY. SO SALES OF TICKETS WOULD FALL UNDER OUR, OUR CURRENT TRANSACTION PRIVILEGE TAX. OKAY. WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTERS VOTE ON THIS, ON SALES TAX WHEN WE DID THE 3.5% INCREASE. WE DID. OH, NO. UH, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE AMPHITHEATER WAS, WAS PURCHASED. OH, NO, NO, NO. OKAY. NO, NO, NO. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AMPHITHEATER PURCHASE. IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THAT, UM, THE REVENUE SHARING PLAN IN THEIR MIND IS SALES TAX, BASICALLY, RIGHT. FROM THE TICKETS AND FROM CONCESSIONS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, MY MIND, CITIES AREN'T IN THE BUSINESS OF BEING, MAKING PROFITS. WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF SERVICING OUR COMMUNITY AND MAKING SURE ALL OF THAT WORKS. SO THAT, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK OR IF WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND ASK FOR, UM, PERMISSION TO [02:10:01] GET TAX ON TICKETS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING I GOTCHA. OKAY. UM, BUT JUST MAYOR IS CORRECT THAT, THAT THE CITY'S SALES, THE TPT TAX WAS NOT APPROVED BY THE VOTERS' COUNCILS T PT APPROVED AND EACH OF THE INCREASES. AND SO THAT INCLUDES THE TICKET SALES. UM, SO YEAH, THE, IT'S A MAY IN THE STATUTE. THE CITY MAY, UH, PUT ITS SALES TAX TO THE VOTERS, BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO, AND THE COUNCILS HAVE NOT ELECTED TO DO SO SO FAR. WOW. IT'S THE FIRST THING I'VE SEEN ABOUT ARIZONA THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN I WOULD'VE EXPECTED. UM, I I, I FEEL A LITTLE BIT LIKE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR ANSWER TO, UM, DEREK'S QUESTION. SO IF IT TURNS OUT YOU'VE GOT MANAGEMENT FEES THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE PAYING, YOU'VE GOT MAINTENANCE FEES THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE PAYING, YOU'VE ACTS WHO ARE GONNA GET PAID NO MATTER WHAT. SO YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. AND IF IT TURNS OUT THAT YOU CAN'T GET THE TICKET SALES THAT YOU NEED IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THE ACTS, IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE, IN ORDER TO PAY LIVE NATION THEIR CUT, WHATEVER IT IS, UM, WHO'S MAKING UP THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS NOW I HEARD YOU SAY, WELL, IF IT FAILS, YOU CAN CLOSE IT, BUT IF IT FAILS SOMEBODY'S KIND OF GOING IN BANKRUPTCY, DEBT, OR WHATEVER THE TERM MIGHT BE. I'M NOT A FINANCE, I'LL LOOK AT BARBARA. I THINK IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE ACTUAL REDEVELOPMENT IS STRUCTURED. IF IT IS RETAINED AS A CITY ASSET, THEN THE CITY WOULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR ANY DEBT SERVICE, FOR ANY, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING WE'VE PAID TO REDEVELOP IT. IF IT'S SOLD TO ANOTHER ENTITY, THEN THEY COULD BE IN THE SAME POSITION THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNERS WERE. SO IF WE LEASE THE LAND AND SAID, GO FORTH, DO YOUR THING, AND THEN IT FAILS THIS GROUP OR WHOEVER ENDS UP HOLDING THE BAG TO USE DEREK'S TERM. IF IT, IF IT WERE TO FAIL IN, IN THAT CASE, IF WE WERE TO LEASE IT AND BASICALLY RETAIN, RETAIN IT AS A CITY ASSET, AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE LEASING IT AND THEY'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS ON OUR PIECE OF LAND, IT WOULD JUST REVERT TO US AND WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT TO DO WITH IT THEN IF IT FAILED. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO. THANK YOU. CAN I ASK ONE FOLLOW UP TO THAT? MM-HMM . SO YOU TALKED ABOUT THE DEBT SERVICE BEING THE PROBLEM. UM, IF YOU WERE PAYING RENT, GROUND, LEASE, RENT, I ASSUME THAT WOULD PUT YOU IN THE SAME SITUATION AS DEBT SERVICE. YOU GUYS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO KEEP THIS THING RUNNING IF YOU WERE PAYING THE CITY TO, FOR YOU TO RUN THE PROJECT OR FOR YOUR NONPROFIT TO RUN THE PROJECT WITHOUT CITY INVOLVEMENT? WELL, I, I BELIEVE THAT'S GONNA BE A, A COLLABORATION BETWEEN STAFF, THE COUNCIL ON US. I, AT THE BEGINNING TO KIND OF SIT DOWN AND GO OVER THE FINANCIALS, THE, THE CONTRACTS THAT ARE IN PLACE BEFORE WE EVEN START OUT ON THIS VENTURE, WE'LL ALL BE IN IT TOGETHER. SO WE'LL MAKE THOSE DECISIONS TOGETHER AS WE GO DOWN THE ROAD. I'M, I'M SUGGESTING THAT THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CITY, WHETHER IT'S CITY STAFF OR WHETHER IT'S A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT REPORTS BACK TO THE COUNCIL ON A REGULAR BASIS TO LET EVERYONE KNOW WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT'S GOING ON, KEEP YOU IN THE LOOP. AND WHENEVER THERE'S A MAJOR DECISION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, WE, WE DECIDE IT TOGETHER. OKAY. 'CAUSE EARLIER I POSED A SIMILAR QUESTION TO, UM, PATRICK, YOU JUST SAID IF YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT, CAN YOU STILL DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO? AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ANSWER FOR YOU GUYS IS, YEAH. WELL, IT'S, IT'S A HARD QUESTION TO ANSWER BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON HOW WE STRUCTURE SOME OF THESE, THESE ITEMS. SO THERE, THERE MIGHT BE A, A, A THIRD PARTY INVOLVED THAT MIGHT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME THINGS, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW WE SET UP THOSE CONTRACTS. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME TO ANSWER RIGHT NOW. OKAY. BECAUSE WE, WE HAVEN'T QUITE GOT TO THAT STAGE, BUT THAT'S A STAGE WE'RE GONNA GET TO TOGETHER, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO YOU NEED TO HAVE 5,000 SEATS IF YOU WANNA RETAIN AND, AND ATTRACT SOME OF THE BIGGER MUSIC ARTISTS, THEN? MOST LIKELY, YES. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE FINANCIALLY VIABLE UNLESS YOU ATTRACT THE LARGE ACTS WHO COULD GO TO PHOENIX OR PRESCOTT OR FLAGSTAFF OR, I THINK, I THINK A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT THAT. I THINK NUMBER ONE, THE FACT THAT WE'RE IN SEDONA AND NOT IN FLAGSTAFF OR PRESCOTT OR ANY OF THOSE PLACES, SEDONA DRAWS PEOPLE HERE. THE SUNSETS ON THE RED ROCKS, THEY DROP, IT DRAWS PEOPLE HERE. IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ICONIC. UH, RED ROCKS OF COLORADO IS ICONIC. YOU COULD GO TO A, AN AMPHITHEATER IN DOWNTOWN DENVER OR YOU CAN GO TO RED ROCKS AND IT'S TWO DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES. SO I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE IT SITTING HERE RIGHT NOW AS [02:15:01] IT IS, AND THE FACT THAT IT'S SITTING HERE IN SEDONA WITH THE RED ROCK VIEWS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA DRAW PEOPLE HERE WAY MORE THAN IT MAY BE WOULD TO FLAG STUFF. UM, WHAT WAS THIS FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION? AGAIN? WHETHER OR NOT YOU ACTUALLY NEEDED 5,000 SEATS AS OPPOSED TO STARTING 2000 AND JUST STAYING AT 2000, WHICH, WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD EARLIER IS KIND OF WHERE THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO BE IS AROUND 2000 SEATS. SO, YEAH, WELL, I THINK, I THINK MOST MAJOR ACTS WOULD, SINCE THEY'RE MAKING THEIR MONEY FROM TOURING, THEY WOULD RATHER SELL OUT TO A 5,000 SEAT VENUE THAN A 2000 SEAT VENUE. UM, YOU KNOW, AND I WILL SAY THIS ABOUT SOME OF THOSE EXERCISES THAT WE HAD, I WENT TO EVERY ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS AS WELL. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DIFFICULT ABOUT ONE OF THOSE EXERCISES WAS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THE ONES THAT HAD THE STICKERS. SO WHEN YOU CHOSE THE 5,000 SEAT AMPHITHEATER, THE STICKER TOOK UP THE ENTIRE PAGE. SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING IN THE FACT THAT ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT FILLED THAT OUT ONLY WERE FILLING IT OUT FOR THE AMPHITHEATER. AND SO, AS YOU CAN SEE ON OUR PLAN, THAT 5,000 SEAT AMPHITHEATER STILL DOES FIT WITH HOUSING AND OTHER ELEMENTS IN, IN THE PARK. THANK YOU, PETE. THANK YOU MAYOR. HEY, JEN , I'M JUST LOOKING AT MY NOTES HERE. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU TRIED TO BRING UP DATA FROM OTHER EVENTS AND THESE COMPARISONS ARE DIFFICULT, YOU KNOW, YEOMAN'S JOB FOR GIVING IT A GO. UM, BUT, AND I DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME, I ALSO TRIED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF LOOKING, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP SAINT AUGUSTINE AND I'M LIKE, SAINT AUGUSTINE, HAVEN'T I BEEN THERE BEFORE? ISN'T THAT LIKE 40 MILES FROM JACKSONVILLE? A 950,000 POPULATION CITY? MM-HMM . HOW DOES THAT FACTOR IN YOUR MIND BEING DIFFERENT? WELL, I MEAN, WE'RE AN HOUR AND A HALF FROM PHOENIX. AND HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN PHOENIX AND HOW MANY PEOPLE FROM PHOENIX? 40 MILES. A HUNDRED AND RIGHT. 20 MILES. AND IT'S GROWING. PHOENIX IS GROWING TREMENDOUSLY RIGHT NOW. I KNOW THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WHOLE DATA FACILITY THAT JUST CAME IN DOWN THERE, BILL GATES STARTED HIS WHOLE PROJECT. I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S A HUGE DRAW. SEDONAS A HUGE DRAW ALREADY FOR PHOENIX PEOPLE AND FROM PHOENIX. SO I DON'T SEE THAT BEING A PROBLEM. AND THE FACT THAT SEDONA IS SUCH AN ICON FOR PEOPLE TO COME SEE. AND THEN WHEN I THINK ABOUT THESE EVENTS OR THESE KINDS OF FACILITIES, MY CONCERN IS THAT THESE THINGS REQUIRE A LOT OF CARE AND FEEDING. AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT PATRICK SCHWEISS SITTING IN THE FRONT OF THE ROOM HERE WHO JUST BUNCH DUMPED A BUNCH OF MONEY INTO A THEATER REMODEL, AND I WAS LOOKING FOR ANOTHER ONE. AND SO IT'S NOT JUST THIS INITIAL COST, THESE CAPITAL COSTS GOING BIG. AND IF MY NOTES ARE CORRECT, IF I FOUND THE RIGHT DATA, THERE WAS LIKE 9 MILLION IN 2007 AND THEN ANOTHER 9,000,010 YEARS LATER. SO TO ME, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FINANCIAL MODELS, YOU REALLY SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT THE GO FORWARD COST AS WELL. 'CAUSE NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE CHEAP. AND THEN FURTHERMORE, IF I SAW THIS CORRECTLY, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WILL PROVIDE THE CENTER $750,000 A YEAR FOR MAINTENANCE AND $1.7 MILLION A YEAR FOR EVENTS. SO THAT'S THE COUNTY PAYING THE ENTITY MONEY TO RUN THIS THING. MM-HMM . AND I DIDN'T HEAR YOU BRING THAT UP. YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT MAYBE THIS THING COULD RUN ON ITS OWN. I THINK IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT STATEMENT ABOUT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN FINE WITHOUT THE DEBT SERVICE. SO I WOULD LOVE TO PAY MY MORTGAGE PRINCIPLE WITHOUT THE INTEREST . BUT YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN'T, AND TO COUNSELOR FAFS POINT RENT, IF THAT'S RENT IS MUCH LIKE DEBT. SO, WELL, I THINK A LOT OF THAT HAS, IS YET TO BE WORKED OUT. AND WHEN WE SIT DOWN AND KIND OF PICK WHICH MODEL, WE CAN THEN FLUSH ALL OF THIS, THIS, UM, ALL THE FINE TUNING OF THAT OUT. UM, MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT WHATEVER TAXES COMES INTO THE CITY FAR OUTWEIGHS WHAT THE COST WOULD BE TO MANAGE OR NOT MANAGE, BUT UH, TAKE CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE ON THE PARK. IF THE CITY OWNED IT, I THINK THE CITY SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE TAKING CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE OF THE ENTIRE MASTER PLAN AND THE ENTIRE PARK ITSELF. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHEN WE DECIDE IS IT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WANTS TO OWN, IS IT NOT? IF IT'S NOT, THEN, YOU KNOW, OUR GROUP WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT TO THE, TO THE DONORS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE CONNECTIONS WITH AND SEE IS THERE APPETITE TO BUY IT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT STILL TO WORK OUT HERE, BUT I THINK THAT THE PLAN ITSELF CAN BE WORKED OUT AND IT CAN BE A VERY BIG POSITIVE FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND ONE OTHER THING, I THINK SURE, UH, THE TICKET SALES, THERE SHOULD BE A CERTAIN, UH, PERCENTAGE OF THAT, WELL, 10 WHATEVER, 10, 12% GOES TO THE CITY. BUT THERE SHOULD BE A 10, 20% THAT GOES TO THE SCP MAINTENANCE FUND. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ALL THE OTHER ONES. THE UH, UH, THE PERFORMER HAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT. [02:20:01] SO THOSE PERCENTAGES NEED TO BE WORKED OUT AND HOPEFULLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH YOU. BUT I THINK AS PATRICK WAS SAYING, UM, WE HOPE TO RAISE MONEY TO BUILD THIS THING AND THEN, UH, JUST, UH, WORK OUT SOME KIND OF DEAL THAT WORKS WELL FOR THE LAND. AS JOHN WAS SAYING, THAT DOESN'T BURDEN US. 'CAUSE THIS IS A COMMUNITY FACILITY. THIS IS FOR THE CITIZENS OF SEDONA. UH, WE'VE GOT ALL THE PARK ASPECTS, UH, COVERED ON HERE. WE'VE GOT A FESTIVAL GROUNDS, UH, THAT CAN GO IN THERE FOR SEDONA ARTS FESTIVAL, THINGS LIKE THAT. PLUS NOW WE'VE GOT HOUSING AND, UH, OTHER THINGS, AND WE HAVE THE SIF BUILDING ON SITE TOO, INTEGRATED INTO OUR MASTER PLAN. SO I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO COVER ALL THE BASES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS YET. SO, YEAH. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, FORT TOHILL HAS 2,500 SEATS, AND I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT FORT TUTHILL IN JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST GO BACK AND SAY, TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY A YEAR FOR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE, MAYBE. NO, WE SWALLOW THE DEBT SERVICE, WE HAVE TO SERVICE IT. SO THAT'S TO THE CITY'S NOT, AND, AND, AND I LOVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER THAT BEAM IS IN GOOD SHAPE OR NOT. UM, UH, HERB, YOU PROBABLY KNOW BETTER THAN ANY OF US. YOU, WHEN YOU GO TO HISTORIC BUILDING RENOVATION, YOU START PEEKING INSIDE AND IT'S LIKE, OH, WE DIDN'T SEE THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT HAPPENS WHEN AGREED. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PEEK INSIDE CLOSETS THERE. EVERYTHING IS OPEN. WELL, THAT'S TRUE. I MEAN, THE, THE STRUCTURE IS THERE. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S EVIDENT THAT THAT STRUCTURE IS COMPETENT. YEP. ALRIGHT, THEN THE LAST COMMENT, JOHN, YOU, YOU MADE ME SMILE. YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T INTENTIONALLY DO SO, BUT YOU SAID, YOU SAID, LET'S LEAVE IT IN CITY COUNCIL CONTROL BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T WORK THIS TIME AROUND, WE CAN JUST PULL THE PLUG. , REALLY, THIS THING HASN'T BEEN OPERATING IN HOW LONG AND IT'S THIS DIFFICULT TO PULL THE PLUG. SO THANKS FOR THAT LITTLE SENSE OF HUMOR. , IT'S DIFFICULT TO PULL THE PLUGS ON THINGS VERY DIFFICULT. SO DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT FORT TUTTLE? YEAH. OH, FORT TUTTLE. UH, YES. I, I ACTUALLY, I HAVEN'T EVER BEEN UP TO AN AMPHITHEATER. I THINK I ADMITTED BEFORE THE LAST ITEM. I'M NOT THE BEST LIVE MUSIC PERSON AROUND. I DON'T GO TO THE FILM FESTIVAL, SORRY, I RIDE MY BIKE. UM, BUT I DUG INTO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FORK TUTTLE, AND THERE WAS A VERY INTERESTING STATEMENT. NOW I KNOW THE CLIMATE AND FLAGSTAFF IS DIFFERENT THAN IN SEDONA, BUT THE LAST THING THAT THEY DID UP THERE IS THEY HAD TO SPEND $650,000 TO PUT A NEW CANOPY OVER THE SEATS BECAUSE IT JUST WASN'T WORKING. , UH, WHETHER IT'S TOO MUCH SUNSHINE OR POTENTIAL RAIN, THEY REALLY DON'T DO THINGS IN THE SNOW. SO THAT'S NOT REALLY, UH, AN ISSUE. BUT THAT, THAT JUST LINKS BACK TO THE CARE AND FEEDING OF THESE THINGS. YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU COME UP WITH A PLAN AND THEN YOU SEE THE OPERATION AND THEN SOMEONE'S GOTTA GO BACK TO THE CAPITOL MILL TO FIND THE NEXT THING YOU GOTTA DO. AND THAT'S HOW THESE THINGS GO. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MENTION HERE. I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO LOOK AT THE 2,500 SEAT VENUE. THE ACTS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO GET. DO THEY SELL OUT? IS IT BRINGING REVENUE TO THE CITY? MM-HMM . THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT AS WELL. YEAH. MM-HMM . MAYOR, I'M SORRY. I'M GONNA DO MY BEST COLOMBO THING. ONE MORE THING. JEN, I'M SORRY I WASN'T ABLE TO PUT UP YOUR PRESENTATION AT MY FINGERTIPS WHEN YOU WERE GOING THROUGH IT AND YOU HAD A PHASE PLAN WHEN IT WAS REALLY SMALL LETTERS AND I COULDN'T READ IT FROM HERE, BUT I SEE IN THE SPREADSHEET THERE'S A QUESTION BEFORE ABOUT SEATS. YOUR PHASE ONE IS 845 SEATS. WHAT'S THE TIMING OF PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE 18? UH, IT'S ACTUALLY 1,845, I BELIEVE. EIGHT SEATS FOR PHASE 1 8 45 IS WHAT I SAID. MM-HMM . YEAH. UM, AND SO WHAT, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION AGAIN? SO THAT'S PHASE ONE. MM-HMM . HOW LONG IS PHASE ONE AND THEN HOW LONG BEFORE PHASE TWO STARTS? UM, LEMME GO BACK AND SEE WHERE IT WAS AT ON MONDAY. WE, WE WOULD LOVE TO DO THE PHASES CONCURRENTLY BETWEEN ONE AND TWO AND GET TO THE 5,000 PLUS SEATS. I SEE. WE COULDN'T, OKAY. AND PHASE ONE WOULD TAKE SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS. THAT'S RESTORING THE SITE, GETTING EVERYTHING BACK. UH, AND THEN THE TIMELINE BETWEEN THE TWO, WE'RE HOPING THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A TIMELINE BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO PHASES ONE AND TWO CONCURRENT. I SEE. POSSIBLE. AND THEN WHEREIN THAT PLAN IS THE HOUSING CONSTRUCTION CONCURRENTLY WITH THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING ON THE AMPHITHEATER, AFTER THAT, THAT'S YOUR CALL BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE HOUSING, SO TO SPEAK. SO I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE ON THE, ON THE CITY SHOULDERS AT THAT POINT. I SEE. WHETHER THE WORK IS HAPPENING CONCURRENTLY OR, YEAH, OUR, OUR IDEA IS JUST TO DO THE MASTER PLAN, PROVIDE DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH IS PART OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT OF THE CULTURE PACK PARK PATENT IN 1995. SO WE, THESE FOOTPRINTS WE HAVE AND HOW THEY TOPOGRAPHY THEY [02:25:01] FIT IN THERE. AND, UH, GENERAL LOOK GUIDELINES, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT THAT'S OUR, OUR GOAL. WE WOULDN'T BE BUILDING POSSIBLY MAYBE SOMETHING IN THE R SPILLAGE, WHICH WOULD BE A MULTI-USE THING FOR THE AMPHITHEATER. THE PERFORMERS MIGHT STAY THERE OR SOMETHING. SOMETHING THAT'S ASSOCIATED DIRECTLY WITH THE OPERATION OF THE, UH, THE VENUE. AND THEN MY LAST, LAST THING, SORRY. CFAS, YOU KNOW, AND THEIR IDEA THAT THE CITY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE. I KIND OF THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOUR LEASE INITIAL PLAN WAS TOO. CORRECT. WE DO ROADS AND POWER AND SEWER, AND WE'VE GOT MOST OF THAT ALREADY. AS HERB SAID, WE'D, WE'D, WE'D BUDGETED IN PAVING THE ROADS AND, AND POSSIBLY SOME OF THE PARKING AREAS TOO. AND, UH, BUT IT'D ALWAYS BE NICE TO HAVE SOME ASSISTANCE. OF COURSE. ALRIGHT, SO YOU DID HAVE SOME OF THAT IN YOUR BUDGET AND SIFT DIDN'T, DID YOU HEAR THAT? PATRICK? . OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I GUESS ONE OF OUR INTENTIONS, JUST SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND, IS THAT THIS AMPHITHEATER IS NOT ONLY A CULTURAL ICON FOR SEDONA, BUT IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S THE GOLDEN GOOSE. I MEAN, IF WE GET THIS UP AND RUNNING, WELL THEN THE TAX DOLLARS FROM IT CAN GO DIRECTLY TOWARDS BUILDING THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR YEARS TO COME. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED YOU TO, TO KIND OF SEE AND, AND THINK ABOUT AS YOU MAKE THESE DECISIONS. THERE'S DEBT SERVICE THOUGH. MM-HMM . OKAY. IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC? I, I'M GONNA HAVE QUESTIONS AND THEN CHARLOTTE HASN'T, I THINK, WELL, CHARLOTTE'S RAISING HER HAND, SO GO AHEAD, CHARLOTTE. OKAY. NICE. UM, I REALLY COMMEND YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO US TODAY AND, AND YOUR DEDICATION TO THE CONCEPT, UM, OF AN ENTERTAINMENT VENUE USING THE ORIGINAL CULTURAL PARK FOOTPRINT. I, I DO QUESTION THE SIZE OF IT, GIVEN WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMENTS HAD BEEN DURING OUR EARLIER, UH, UM, UM, INVESTIGATION OF THAT. AND SO I'M WONDERING IF IT'S EVER GONNA GET ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS AND THEY'RE A HECK OF A LOT MORE, I WOULDN'T EVEN CALL 'EM DETAILS. THEY'RE FUNDAMENTALS HERE OF THE OWNERSHIP AND THE WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM AND SO FORTH. I COULD IMAGINE THIS NOT GETTING BEYOND PHASE TWO JUST BECAUSE OF THE SIZE, THE DOLLARS INVOLVED AND SO FORTH. AND I THINK SOMEBODY ELSE ALREADY ASKED, WOULD IT BE PROFITABLE AT PHASE ONE OR PHASE ONE AND TWO. UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, IN, I KNOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE MORE OF AN ICONIC WORLD CLASS, ALMOST VENUE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST HAVE SOME COMPARISON NUMBERS WITH THE VIABILITY OF THE FORT TUTHILL ONE. UH, IT'S NOT AN AMPHITHEATER, BUT THE Y PI COLLEGE IN PRESCOTT, UM, VENUE. JUST SOME LOCAL, MORE LOCAL ONES TO UNDERSTAND HOW PROFITABLE THOSE ARE BEFORE WE START THINKING WE'RE GONNA BE THE NEXT SANTA FE OPERA. UM, AND, AND THEN THIS IS A VERY SILLY QUESTION, BUT I SAW ON PHASE THREE THAT YOU WERE INCLUDING RESTROOMS, WHICH LOOKED PRETTY EXPENSIVE ACTUALLY. DOES THAT SUGGEST THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE RESTROOMS OR THERE WOULD NOT FOR PHASE ONE AND TWO? OR DO THEY NOT NEED TO BE RENOVATED OR THERE WOULD NOT BE RESTROOMS UNTIL PHASE THREE? COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT? YES. NO, THAT, THAT INCLUDES THE RESTORATION. PHASE ONE IS RESTORATION OF THE EXISTING RESTROOM BUILDING THAT HAPPENS DURING PHASE ONE. THE ROOF IS REPLACED, FIXTURES REPLACED THE, THE ENTIRE NINE YARDS, THE TWO WINGS, THE EAST AND WEST WINGS THAT COME IN. THE THIRD PHASE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL RESTROOMS IN THERE, BUT THE OTHER RESTROOM BUILDING WILL STILL BE INTACT. AND THAT IS PART OF PHASE ONE. WE CAN'T OPEN THE VENUE WITHOUT RESTROOMS. YES. UH, PORTA POTTIES WOULD NOT BE A NO. OR A WORLD CLASS VENUE. UM, OKAY. I'M, I'M JUST VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CITY BEING THE, UM, OWNER OF, OF GETTING INTO THIS BUSINESS. UM, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT AFTERNOON. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK I JUST HAVE THREE QUESTIONS. SO, SO FAR, UM, YOU HAVE SOME SOFT COMMITMENTS FOR FUNDING. APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH SO FAR? UH, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER RIGHT NOW. DO, DOES ANYBODY IN OUR BOARD HAVE ANY IDEAS RIGHT NOW? NO. SO ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD IS WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME OF THESE ENTITIES AT, AT THESE OTHER PLACES. WE HAVE NOT OPENED THE DOOR TO WALK THROUGH THAT WITH THEM YET BECAUSE THEY BASICALLY TOLD US, UNLESS YOU GET A COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY TO START WALKING THROUGH THIS AND SEE IF THIS IS GONNA WORK, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT REALLY WILLING TO, TO GIVE THAT UP YET. IF WE CAN GET A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU GUYS AND [02:30:01] A GO AHEAD TO DO THAT, THEN WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. WE'VE EVEN HAD SEVERAL OF THEM THAT HAVE BEEN WILLING TO FLY IN HERE AND HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH US. SO JEN, I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE DONOR FUNDRAISING. SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SOFT COMMITMENTS YET ON FROM DONORS? WE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A DOLLAR AMOUNT. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF INTEREST SAYING IF YOU CAN GET THE CITY TO ON THE BOARD TO DO THIS, WE WILL THEN WALK, WALK FORWARD AND GIVE YOU AMOUNTS OF WHAT WE THINK WE COULD GIVE. SO LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LOT STILL TO BE DECIDED. UM, BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN GET SOME SORT OF WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU WHERE WE CAN GO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS NOW AND GET THOSE NUMBERS THAT ARE SOLID. OKAY. AND DAN, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOWED THE, GAVE US THE HISTORY LESSON ON THE, THE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE SITE STARTING WITH NO HOUSING TO, UM, NOW YOU'VE ENVISIONED 200 UNITS ON THE SITE. IS YOUR BOARD 100% FULLY ON BOARD EVERY SINGLE PERSON WITH THEIR BEING HOUSING ON THAT SITE? I WOULD SAY YES, AND, UH, WE FIGURE IT'S THE, UH, TO BALANCE THE NEEDS OF SEDONA IN ALL CULTURALLY, UH, THE ARTS, UH, PERFORMANCE IN HOUSING, THIS CAN DO IT AND IT'S A NEW REALITY. AND, UH, THE, THE MASTER PLAN FROM 1995, AS I SAID, I THINK WE HAD LIKE MIXED USE HOUSING IN THE ARTS VILLAGE OF 20 UNITS MAYBE. SO WE'VE TIMES 10 HERE WE ARE. AND AS I SAID, I THINK THIS, IF WE HAVE THE FUNDS AND THE TIME, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CREATE A 3D MODEL OF THE SITE SHOWING HOW THE HOUSING IN THESE AREAS CAN BE HIDDEN IN. IT'S A KINDA WHERE SEDONA SUMMIT IT, MOST OF THOSE ARE DOWN ON THAT LEVEL. AND THE NEWEST ROW WE ADDED IN IS KIND OF PEAKING OVER. MAYBE THE ONE AND TWO STORIES OF THOSE FINAL BUILDINGS WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM, UH, UH, PARK, CULTURAL PARK PLACE AS YOU HEAD OUT TO THIS TRAILHEAD. BUT I THINK WE'VE INTEGRATED IT AND WE, THE LIFE IT WOULD CREATE IN THE ARTS VILLAGE IS THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT IN A PROJECT. OKAY. SO THAT LEADS ME TO MY LAST QUESTION. YOUR GROUP HAS HAD INVOLVEMENT IN AN INITIATIVE PROCESS THAT COULD HAVE AN EFFECT ON ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY. WHERE DO YOU GUYS STAND ON THAT? I HAVE THREE MINUTES, I HOPE LATER. YEAH, JOHN, JOHN NEEDS TO BE NOT YET. I'D LIKE THAT ANSWER NOW. NOT LATER. WELL, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER IT THEN WHEN HE, WHEN HE STEPS UP, HE CAN DO IT. UM, REMEMBER, I'M REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF TIME EVERYBODY HAS. YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THREE MINUTES IF YOU WANNA TAKE THAT NOW. SO THE, THEIR, THEIR GROUP IS DEFINITELY, UM, DON'T, THEY DON'T WANNA SEE ANY HOUSING, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN, UM, THEY ALSO WANT TO SEE THE CULTURAL PARK HAPPEN. SO I FEEL IT DEPENDS ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE CITY ON WHAT THEIR DECISIONS ARE GONNA BE. UM, BUT THEY'RE A TOTALLY SEPARATE ENTITY FROM US, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO, TO GO TO THEM AFTER WE, WE'VE KIND OF GET SOMEWHERE WITH THE CITY AND HAVE A SERIOUS CONVERSATION WITH THEM TO, TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT. BUT IT WOULD BE, OUR GOAL IS, IS SCP TWO, IS TO, UM, TRY TO DELAY THAT AND, AND NOT HAVE THAT HAPPEN, UM, PERIOD. BUT THAT WOULD, THAT'S JUST OUR GOAL. THEY, THEY STILL HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION ON THEIR END. UM, BUT I, I DO THINK THEY WANNA SEE THE CULTURE PARK HAPPEN AND, UM, I THINK A, A, A GOOD PORTION OF THEM UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THE HOUSING HAS GOTTA BE A, A PART OF THAT COMPONENT. SO, UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, THERE'S, THERE'S PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES THAT ARE NOT GONNA BE HAPPY WITH US. THERE'S THE, THE PEOPLE THAT WANT ZERO HOUSING AND THERE'S THE PEOPLE THAT WANT 400 UNITS OF HOUSING SO THAT THE EXTREMES ARE NOT GONNA BE HAPPY. UM, BUT I THINK I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN AT LEAST GET THEM TO AN 80, 85, 90% HAPPINESS TO WHERE THEY'RE GONNA LIVE WITH IT. SO, AND I FEEL THAT, THAT WE'RE THERE WITH THAT GROUP, BUT I'LL LET HIM SPEAK FOR HIMSELF. MM-HMM . UM, BUT I THINK IT REALLY RESTS WITH, WITH HOW WE END UP WITH THE CITY AND THE SUPPORT WE GET FROM THE CITY AND THE SUPPORT WE GIVE YOU BACK. UM, BUT I THINK SO LONG AS WE CAN COME TOGETHER AND, AND WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, AND LIKE I SAID, YOU'LL BE TOGETHER WITH US AS WE'RE MAKING THESE DECISIONS, BUT WE REALLY CAN'T GO TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD WITH ASKING FOR MONEY WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL WHATSOEVER OF THE SITE. SURE. UNDERSTOOD. JOHN, JOHN, THANK YOU THAT THAT'S HELPFUL. THE REASON I'M ASKING IS, IS THAT LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE, LOOKING AT ALL THE FOLKS THAT WANT TO PARTICIPATE ON THIS LAND, UH, IN INITIATIVE PROCESS, IT WOULD SEEM, WOULD KILL SIFS, UH, OPPORTUNITY FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT WHERE THAT ALL STANDS. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, WELL, HERE'S SOME MORE WHEN WE GO TO THE PUBLIC HERE SHORTLY. SO THAT'S IT FOR ME, MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE PUBLIC NOW. I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC FORUM. WE'RE GONNA START [02:35:01] WITH MARY BIRD AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE. YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE AND 30 SECONDS AND YOU DON'T NEED MORE THAN THAT, RIGHT? FOLLOWED BY CHRISTOPHER FORD. I WISH I COULD SAY THANK YOU, . I THOUGHT YOU HAD THE NEW RULE FOR THREE OR FOUR MINUTES. MARY BIRD, VICE CHAIR OF FINE ART MUSEUM OF SEDONA, RESIDENT OF SEDONA. UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THE, UH, FINE ART MUSEUM OF SEDONA WAS INVOLVED ALL ALONG WITH THE DIG CONSULTANTS AND PART OF THE SURVEYS AND THE FOCUS GROUPS AND SO ON. WE'VE GOT EXCITED WHEN THE CITY BOUGHT THE LAND, AND WE WERE HOPING FOR A SPOT ON THE, UH, FORMER CULTURAL PARK LAND FOR THE FINE ART MUSEUM OF SEDONA. UH, I BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THE NOVEMBER SURVEY IN THE RESPONSES. UH, THE PUBLIC ART SPACE CAME SECOND OUT OF FIVE ITEMS AS FAR AS THE SURVEY. AND IN THE COMMERCIAL SERVICES MUSEUMS RANKED SECOND OUT OF FIVE. THEY WERE HIGHER THAN THEATERS. SO THE, THE SURVEYS DEFINITELY SHOWED THAT, UH, MUSEUMS AND PARTICULARLY ART WERE AN IMPORTANT FACTOR FOR THE PUBLIC WHEN THEY WERE DOING THESE SURVEYS. THE OUR ART MUSEUM WAS INCORPORATED IN THE, IN 2014. WE'VE BEEN WORKING SINCE THAT TIME TO HAVE A PERMANENT LOCATION. WE CURRENTLY HAVE A RENTAL LOCATION OPENED OCTOBER OF 24 IN THE, UH, SUNSET PLAZA, HARKENS PLAZA. UH, WE'VE GOTTEN, WE'VE DONE A BUSINESS AND FACILITIES PLAN. WE'VE DONE COMMUNITY SURVEYS, WE'VE DONE FEASIBILITY STUDIES, WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE AS FAR AS THE ECONOMIC, UH, STABILITY FOR HAVING AN ART MUSEUM. UH, WE, WHEN WE SAW THE DIGS PLAN, WE WERE INTERESTED IN GOING ON TO LOT THE A. OKAY. MARY, YOUR TIME IS UP. THAT'S IT. SO IF YOU WANNA FINISH, DO YOU HAVE A COLU CONCLUSION? YOU WANNA ASK FOR SOMETHING? WE APPLAUD. WE APPLAUD ALAN FELS IDEA FOR CHARETTE. WE WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. SO YEAH, MY NAME IS CHRIS FORD. I'M FULL-TIME RESIDENT OF SEDONA. I'M ALSO SECRETARY OF SEP 2.0. UM, I THINK MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT AS AN ENTERTAINMENT, UH, INDUSTRY PROFESSIONAL IN PROJECT AND, UH, BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT FORMULA AT WALT DISNEY. I HAVE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE BUSINESS UNDERPINNINGS OF THIS PROPOSITION. I THINK THEY ARE VERY SOUND. THE KEY TO REFINING THE BUSINESS PLAN, AS JENNIFER MAY HAS JUST SAID, IS REALLY THAT WE NEED TO WORK WITH PROMOTERS LIKE LIVE NATION, TICKETMASTER, THESE COMPANIES YOU KNOW OF, BUT THEY NEED A FORMAL ENDORSEMENT FROM THE CITY THAT THIS IS WORTH THEIR TIME TO WORK ON, AND THAT THIS IS A SERIOUS PROSPECT. SO WE DO HAVE A MAJOR OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF US, BUT IF THERE IS ONE OUTCOME THAT WE ASK FOR, IT IS THAT, THAT, UH, WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH YOUR APPROVAL. I DO QUICKLY WANT TO ADDRESS THE SIZE QUESTION. THE 5,000 SEATS IS ACTUALLY THE OPTIMAL AND MANAGEABLE SIZE TO ATTRACT A WIDE VARIETY OF PERFORMERS OF SUFFICIENT CALIBER. AND IT WILL GENERATE JOBS, IT WILL SMOOTH OUT THE SEASONAL VARIATION IN VISITORS. AND I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE ASKED ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE POSSE GROUNDS OR THE DELLS, BUT THAT MISSES THE POINT. IT'S THE CURRENT LOCATION THAT IS THE DRAW, HAS THE CAPACITY TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND AT A LOWER COST AND IS FRANKLY, AS WE'VE PRESENTED, IS READY TO GO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SCOTT ROSS FOLLOWED BY ROBERT COSTER GUYS. UH, SCOTT ROSS. I'M A NINE YEAR RESIDENT HERE SINCE I ONLY HAVE A MINUTE AND A HALF. LISA CAME AND WANTED ME TO PRESENT THIS, BUT IT'S TOO LENGTHY, SO I WILL SEND IT TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY. YES, PLEASE. ANYBODY SEND US IF YOU HAVE OTHER REMARKS. SO, UM, HERE WE GO. RED ROCKS AMPHITHEATER GENERATE. THIS IS DENVER RED ROCK'S DENVER, WHERE I TALK TO MY FRIEND EVERY OTHER DAY, WHO WORKS THERE ANYWAY, RED ROCK'S AMPHITHEATER GENERATES SIGNIFICANT INCOME FOR THE DENVER AREA, SUPPORTING THOUSANDS OF JOBS AND CONTRIBUTING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS IN ECONOMIC ACTIVITY ANNUALLY WITH VISITOR SPENDING, CREATING OVER $200 MILLION IN LOCAL PAYROLL AND GENERATING SUBSTANTIAL TAX REVENUE FOR STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM TICKET SALES AND TOURISM. WE HAVE 4 MILLION PEOPLE, THREE AND A HALF MILLION COMING HERE A YEAR TO GO TO PINK CHIEFS AND ATVS. HOW ABOUT CONCERTS? IT'S NOT GONNA BE A 700 SEATER THAT I LOVE PATRICK. HE'S BRILLIANT. HE'S DONE AN AMAZING JOB, BUT WE'RE NOT THE LARGER, THE, THE LARGER THE VENUE, THE BETTER THE ACT I CAN GUARANTEE. [02:40:01] STEVIE NICKS, WE MANAGE ROB THOMAS. TIM WILL BRING CHICAGO. THAT'S, THAT'S FOR STARTERS. IF WE HAVE 700 SEATERS, YEAH, WE WILL GET ESTEBAN, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET ANYTHING BETTER. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BOB. FOLLOWED BY STEVEN THOMPSON. UH, ROBERT COSTER. I AM A RESIDENT HERE IN SEDONA AND I'M REPRESENTING THE INITIATIVE. UH, THE INITIATIVE IS, IS WAS WRITTEN AND PUT IN PLACE BASICALLY TO PRESERVE THE CULTURAL PARK FOR CULTURAL EVENTS. IT, IT SUPPORTS THE, UM, SEDONA FILM FESTIVAL. IT SUPPORTS THE AMPHITHEATER. UH, WHAT IT DOES NOT SUPPORT IS RESIDENTIAL. UH, THIS IS A PRIME LOCATION. YOU, YOU ALL ARE THE WARDS OF THIS CITY. WHATEVER GOES IN THERE IS NOT GONNA BE HERE JUST FOR YOUR TERM. IT'S GONNA BE HERE FOR MULTIPLE TERMS, MULTIPLE GENERATIONS. WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE TO PRESERVE THAT PLACE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE, SEDONA AND THE VISITORS HERE. WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TODAY BY THE PEOPLE HERE, UH, SUPPORTS USE BY THE, UH, PEOPLE OF THE CITY AND ALSO VISITORS HERE. UH, WE DO SUPPORT THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT RE THE, UM, THE, UH, RESIDENTS RESIDENTIAL. UH, I'VE, I'VE BEEN AT THE, UM, FARMER'S MARKET FOR ABOUT THREE MONTHS. I'VE TALKED TO OVER 600 PEOPLE. UM, AND WE ARE CONTINUING TO GET THE INIT, THE, UH, SIGNATURES FOR THE INITIATIVE. AND BY AND LARGE PEOPLE ARE SUPPORTING BOTH THESE ENDEAVORS. UM, THEY ARE NOT SUPPORTING RESIDENTIAL, UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE SAY IT'S NOT GONNA BE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE THE LOCATION, THE COST FOR BUILDING THERE. SO AGAIN, UH, THIS IS THE SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY GOING FORWARD, UH, TO, YOU HAVE A PEARL HERE IN, IN THE CITY. YOU HAVE MULTIPLE OTHER PLACES THEY'RE BEING BUILT. WE'D LIKE TO PRESERVE THIS ONE. THANK YOU STEVEN. FOLLOWED BY LISA DAHL, BUT I DON'T SEE LISA HERE. SHE WAS THERE. LISA LEFT. OH, OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL STAFF. IT'S A PLEASURE TO ONCE AGAIN BE BEFORE YOU AT THIS DYNAMIC OPPORTUNITY FOR AN AMAZING PROJECT THAT CAN REALLY FORM OUR IMAGE OF THE CITY. UH, SIT A MINUTE AND A HALF, I'M GONNA DO A COUPLE BULLET POINTS ALL OVER THE PLACE. HOUSING, MAKE IT HUMANE. UNDERSTAND HOW IT FITS IN THE LAND AND THE PEOPLE WHO USE IT. THEY'RE NOT JUST WORKFORCE, THEY'RE NOT JUST CITY EMPLOYEES, THEIR CHILDREN, THEIR FAMILIES, THEY'RE OUR FUTURE CITIZENS. AND AS WINSTON CHURCHILL SAID, MAN SHAPES HIS HOME AND HIS HOME IN TURN SHAPES. MAN, THAT WAS IN THE RECONSTRUCTION AFTER WORLD WAR II, UH, PATRICK PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY TO US HAD HE NOT GIVEN US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW HIM THE DYNAMIC INTERACTION BETWEEN A FACILITY HERE VERSUS ELSEWHERE WITH THE OTHER, UH, ARTS AND CULTURAL ELEMENTS THAT ENRICH HIS PATRON'S EXPERIENCE. IT GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME EARLY, STAY LATE, TAKE THE EDGE OFF TRAFFIC, UH, AND MUTUALLY BENEFIT EVERYBODY, INCLUDING THE CITY. UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS TO THIS AS PLANNERS. BY THE WAY, I AM DAN'S PARTNER IN THIS AND A SEVEN GENERATION ARIZONAN PROUD OF THAT, UH, WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONSIDERS ALL ASPECTS EMOTIONAL, PHYSICAL, INTERACTIVE. STEVEN, YOUR TIME'S UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SCOTT. IF YOU WANNA READ LISA'S OH, IT'S, GO RIGHT AHEAD. TOO COMPREHENSIVE. BUT LISA IS PRO AMPHITHEATER, PRO CULTURAL PARK, BY THE WAY, MAY I? DENVER. RED ROCKS IS 9,800 CAPACITY LISA'S. OKAY. OKAY. OH, LISA TOLD ME TO TELL YOU THE DENVER GOOD RECOVERY. OKAY. JOLENE PEARSON, FOLLOWED BY TIM JESSOP. IS THAT JOTA? I CHANGED MY VOICE. DON'T MIND ME. SHE ASKED ME TO READ SOMETHING, UH, ON HER BEHALF. 'CAUSE SHE HAD A COMMITMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO READ IT ALL, BUT I'LL TRY TO READ AS FAST AS I CAN. UM, LET'S SEE. GIMME A SECOND TO GET BACK TO IT. UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, MY NAME IS JOY JOTA WINTER, AND I AM A BOARD MEMBER OF THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK 2.0 COMMUNITY LED NONPROFIT. I'D LIKE TO SHARE, UM, WHY I CHOSE THE STEP FORWARD AND SERVE ON THE BOARD, AND WHY THE UPDATED MASTER PLAN IS SO IMPORTANT TO [02:45:01] FORD SEDONAS FUTURE AS A REALTOR, I SEE FIRSTHAND HOW A COMMUNITY EITHER GROWS OR STAGNATES LAND VALUE, ECONOMIC ACTIVITY, AND QUALITY OF LIFE ARE DEEPLY INTERCONNECTED. WHEN THE CITY INVESTS WISELY IN CULTURAL ASSET, IT ATTRACTS YOUNG FAMILIES, WORKING PROFESSIONALS, NEW BUSINESSES, AND YEAR-ROUND VITALITY. WHEN IT DOESN'T, IT RISK BECOMING A PLACE THAT IS SIMPLY VISITED, NOT LIVED IN, NOT INVESTED IN, AND NOT PASS ON TO NEXT GENERATION. THIS ADULT CULTURAL PARK IS ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL ECONOMIC TOOLS WE ALREADY HAVE REVITALIZING AND ADD SIGNIFICANT VALUE TO OUR CITY WITHOUT CREATING NEW DENSITY OR NEW BURDENS, AND HAS STRENGTHENED SEDONAS IDENTITY AS A DYNAMIC FORWARD-LOOKING COMMUNITY. NOT JUST A RETIREMENT TOWN, BUT A PLACE FULL OF LIFE ARTS AND OPPORTUNITY. I PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHAT OTHER TOURISTS DRIVEN CITIES ACROSS THE WEST ARE DOING. MANY ARE POURING TENS OR EVEN HUNDREDS OF THOU, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO BUILDING AMPHITHEATERS FROM SCRATCH. I I, I WILL SEND THE REST OF HER COMMENTS TO YOU. UH, SHE DOES HAVE MORE. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU TIM. FOLLOWED BY SUZANNE STRAUSS. THANK YOU MAYOR CITY COUNCIL. I'M GONNA CUT MY, UH, COMMENTS IN HALF HERE AND I'LL SEND YOU THE REST. UM, OKAY. AS A 50 YEAR MUSIC INDUSTRY VETERAN AND PROFESSIONAL SOUND ENGINEER, I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THE RESTORATION OF THE SEDONA CULTURAL PARK IN ITS AMPHITHEATER IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION. IN MY OPINION, THIS IS THE ONLY LOCATION THAT MAKES ANY LOGICAL SENSE TO BEST ESTABLISH SEDONA AS THE HOME OF ONE OF AMERICA'S TOP CONCERT VENUES. I SHARE THIS OPINION WITH MY COLLEAGUES, UH, ONE OF THEM BEING MR. BRETT STEINBERG AT CAAA ARTIST AGENCY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE LARGEST AGENCIES IN THE WORLD. THEY'RE WATCHING THIS, THEY'RE WATCHING WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE, AND IF WE CAN ACTUALLY MANAGE TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT'S VIABLE, THEY WILL GET INVOLVED AND WE WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM BOOKING THIS VENUE AND FILLING IT. UM, SO I'LL MOVE FORWARD HERE AND SKIP DOWN. THERE ARE MANY REASONS FOR MY SUPPORT TODAY, THE GREATEST BEING THAT THIS AMPHITHEATER IS THE BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION WE HAVE EVER HAD. TO RESOLVE OUR SEASONAL ECONOMIC DOWNTURNS, LEVEL UP SEDONAS ECONOMY YEAR ROUND, AND ONE DAY HOPEFULLY TO ELIMINATE THE NECESSITY FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING ALTOGETHER. THAT'S MY V VISION FOR THIS. YOU. THANK YOU, TIM. OKAY. SUZANNE. FOLLOWED BY JEANNIE BLUM. I ALWAYS GET SHOCKED BY THIS. UM, GOOD EVENING, SUZANNE STRAUSS. SEDONA. THE CULTURAL PARK HAS ALWAYS BEEN MORE THAN JUST LAND. IT REPRESENTS OUR COMMUNITY. PEOPLE FROM EVERY WALK OF EVERY WALK OF THE ONCE GATHERED HERE TO EXPERIENCE MUSIC, ART, AND CONTRIBUTION THAT WITH ITS ORIGINAL PURPOSE AND IT REMAINS THE VISION. TODAY, THE GATEWAY TO SEDONA IS THE CULTURAL PARK. IT IS IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE SEDONAS ENVIRONMENT AND RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ICONIC CULTURAL PARK. FURTHERMORE, IT SETS A TONE TO VISITORS OF THE COMMUNITY'S VALUES WITH RESPECT TO LAND STEWARDSHIP. DO YOU REALIZE THAT THIS AREA IS CONSIDERED SACRED BY NATIVE AMERICANS? MANY BELIEVE THE SANGUA MIGRATED NORTH TO THE HOPI MESAS TO JOIN OTHER ANCESTRAL PUEBLOAN CULTURES. THE HOPI NAME FOR THEIR LEGENDARY HOME IS QUAI PLACE OF THE RED ROCKS. THE ARCHITECTS DESIGNED THE ORIGINAL AND REVISED MASTER PLAN WITH AN INTEGRATED ARTS VILLAGE, A MUSEUM IN OBSERVATORY, INDIGENOUS CULTURAL ZONES AND PUBLIC TRAILS, WHICH PRESERVE SEDONAS CULTURAL IDENTITY THAT NOW INCLUDES HOUSING. THE AMPHITHEATER WAS AHEAD OF ITS TIME, AND ITS TIME IS NOW. THE TIMING HAS NEVER BEEN BETTER. 20 YEARS AGO, ARTISTS RELIED ON CD SALES. TODAY TURING IS THEIR MAIN SOURCE OF INCOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE SOMEONE NAMED JOLENE PEARSON? OKAY. SHE MUST HAVE LEFT. THANK YOU. JEANNIE. FOLLOWED BY KATHY HOWE. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, MY NAME IS JEANNIE BLOOM. I DO LIVE [02:50:01] IN SEDONA. YOU ALL KNOW THAT. I AM IN SUPPORT OF HOUSING. BUT WHAT YOU MAY NOT KNOW IS THAT I AM ALSO IN SUPPORT OF A VIBRANT, VITAL ARTS AND CULTURE COMMUNITY OF WHICH HOUSING IS A PART. I'M AN ARTIST. MY KIDS ARE FILMMAKERS AND TOURING MUSICIANS. I UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF ARTS AND CULTURE TO INFORM A WORLDVIEW AND TO CREATE A THRIVING COMMUNITY, OUR SENIORS. UM, I ALSO ADVOCATE FOR PEOPLE AND MANY FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY, OUR SENIORS, OUR YOUNG FAMILIES AND WORKFORCE STRUGGLE TO FIND APPROPRIATE HOUSING. COUNCILOR FURMAN IS CORRECT WHEN HE SAYS THAT WE ALL NEED, WE NEED ALL THE DIVERSE HOUSING TYPES, AND WE NEED IT NOW. PATRICK ALLEN, AND JENNIFER AND JOHN AND COMPANY, THEY HAVE PROVIDED COMPELLING PROPOSALS. AND I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE, OR MAYBE ALL OF US CAN, MAYBE SOME OF US, MAYBE MOST OF US, CAN AGREE THAT MANY OF THE ELEMENTS IN THE PROPOSALS ARE ATTRACTIVE. THE QUESTION I'D LIKE TO RETURN TO IS HOW MUCH HOUSING AND WHAT TYPES WILL BE APPROVED FOR THIS SITE NO MATTER WHAT DIRECTION ULTIMATELY EVOLVES. LET'S HOLD ONE. CENTRAL THOUGHT HOUSING IS NOT A NICE TO HAVE. IT IS A FOUNDATION. COUNCIL NOW HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE VISIONARY LEADERSHIP TO SHAPE SEDONA A, A SEDONA THAT IS INCLUSIVE, PROGRESSIVE, RESPECTFUL, AND WELCOMING. A SEDONA THAT I WANT TO LIVE IN, AND A SEDONA THAT MAKES SPACE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO SUSTAIN ITS CULTURAL AND ECONOMIC VITALITY. I ENCOURAGE YOU AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO VIEW THIS SITE THROUGH A BROAD, CREATIVE AND MORE VISIONARY LENS, WHICH SOUNDS MAYBE LIKE YOU'RE MAYBE MOVING TOWARD THAT. HOPEFULLY THIS IS THE MOMENT TO THINK BOLDLY ABOUT WHAT THIS LAND CAN BECOME, NOT JUST IN PIECES, BUT AS A COHESIVE FUTURE FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND TO MOVE FORWARD QUICKLY. AS WE KNOW, HOUSING TAKES A LONG TIME TO ACTUATE. AND WHILE WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT IT, REAL PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING TO GET A ROOF OVER THEIR HEADS. SO AS YOU EVALUATE ALL THE OPTIONS, I URGE YOU TO STAY FOCUSED ON LONG-TERM COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT INCLUDES HOUSING. THE WESTERN GATEWAY CAN BE A MODEL FOR HOW SEDONA BLENDS ITS ARTISTIC IDENTITY WITH THE ESSENTIAL NEEDS OF ITS PEOPLE. A TRULY LIVABLE AND CULTURALLY RICH NEIGHBORHOOD THAT REQUIRES VISION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JEANNIE. KATHY, FOLLOWED BY DAVID KEY, KATHY HOUSE, SEDONA UPTOWN SEDONA. UM, MADAM MAYOR COUNCIL, PEOPLE. I'M GONNA MAKE THIS VERY SHORT. YOU KNOW WHERE I STAND. I WOULD MUCH PREFER THAT WE HAVE NO RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS IN THERE, BUT WHAT YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW ABOUT ME IS THAT I'M A COURT TRADE MEDIATOR IN TWO STATES. MEDIATION IS MY THING. I'VE ALWAYS FOUND THAT NOBODY GETS EVERYTHING. AND IF I HAVE TO GO THIS WAY, I HOPE I GO WITH THEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KATHY. DAVID, FOLLOWED BY SEAN SMITH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, DAVID KEY RESIDENT OF SEDONA. ALTHOUGH NOT HERE ON MY OWN ACCORD, I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE INTERESTS OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, UH, WHICH HAS SINGLE-HANDEDLY LET ME KNOW THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING IS THEIR MAIN ISSUE, THEIR MAIN CONCERN. UM, I WILL SAY A FEW THINGS. YOU KNOW, YOU ALL KNOW A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST WITH HOUSING. I THINK THE CITY HAS TO DO ITS PART. I LOVE SEEING THAT HOUSING IS AN INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT PART OF THESE OTHER IDEAS THAT HAVE COME TO THE TABLE. IT'S THE SPIRIT OF DEMOCRACY AND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN FINDING COMPROMISE. AND I, I'D SAY THIS JOKINGLY, BUT I MEAN IT WHOLEHEARTEDLY. THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT GIVE ME MORE HEARTBURN THAN THAI FOOD. THE WORDS LIVE NATION. UM, LIVE NATION IS A MONOPOLY THAT IS BEING INVESTIGATED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CURRENTLY. AND IF YOU'RE WILLING TO VIOLATE ANTITRUST, WOULDN'T YOU BE WILLING TO VIOLATE A MUNICIPAL AGREEMENT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DAVID. SEAN, FOLLOWED BY TIM PERRY. HELLO, MY NAME IS SEAN SMITH. I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA. I SUPPORT THE THEATER PLAN, BUT THE ACRE OF THE COLLEGE JONES SHOULD BE A TWO STORY TECH CENTER, COFFEE SHOP, MAYBE A RESTAURANT OR TWO FOR MOVIEGOERS THAT COULD HIT THOSE BEFORE THE SHOW LOSS. TODAY WAS A REC CENTER WITH AN INDOOR POOL OF SUBSIDIZED FEES FOR RESIDENTS AND WITH CREATIVE WAYS TO HAVE TOURISM PAY FOR IT UNTIL WE HAVE THE MISSING MIDDLE MIX OF UNITS THAT APPROACHES THE NATIONAL AVERAGE FOR RURAL TOWNS. WE NEED TO WORK ON ALL FRONTS AT [02:55:01] ONCE. THAT MEANS THE DELLS AS WELL AS THE WESTERN GATEWAY, THE CITY SHOULD PARTNER WITH THE VERDE VALLEY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION OR START THEIR OWN LAND TRUST. THE WELL-PROVEN SHARED EQUITY MODEL OF HOUSING GETS WORKFORCE HOUSING WITH AFFORDABILITY IN PERPETUITY. WE SHOULD DEFINITELY BE LOOKING AT THAT. MANY HAVE SAID BUILD TO THE DELLS. YES, WE KNOW. WE KNOW NOW THERE ARE NO ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. LET'S GET GOING ON THAT. I VEHEMENTLY DISAGREE WITH THOSE CALLING FOR NO HOUSING AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY. YOU CAN DO HOUSING AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY AND THE DELLS AT THE SAME TIME. IT SHOULDN'T BE EITHER OR. I DID NETWORKING AND WAS A FIXER FOR SEVERAL VERTA FEST MUSIC FESTIVALS. SO I SEE THE NEED FOR A 2000 SEAT, UH, VENUE. ONE REASON THE VERTA FEST ENDED WAS DUE TO THE LACK OF AN APPROPRIATE VENUE. SO EITHER TEAR IT DOWN OR LET PARKS AND REC RUN A TWO, UH, 2000 SEATER. MAYBE SOMEDAY IT COULD BE EXPANDED IF RESIDENTS ARE WILLING TO DIRECT LARGER SUMS TO KEEP IT GOING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SEAN. TIM, SINCE, WHERE ARE YOU? SO YOU JUST ARRIVED. UH, WE'VE REDUCED THE TIME TO ONE AND A HALF MINUTES. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS. MY NAME IS TIM PERRY AND I LIVE IN SEDONA. THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF LIES TOLD SO FAR DURING TONIGHT'S MEETING, MOSTLY BY STAFF, FEW THAT HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT BY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC. BUT I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT OF THESE ISSUES THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IS THE ONE THAT COUNSELOR DUNN VERY APPROPRIATELY BROUGHT UP, WHICH WAS THE CITY HAS ALREADY HAD AN OUTREACH PROCESS FOR THIS PROPERTY. WHY? AND THAT CAME BACK THAT THE AMPHITHEATER WASN'T WANTED. WHY ARE WE ASKING ABOUT IT NOW? WELL, SIMPLE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT STUDY AND ALL THE STUDIES FROM THE BEGINNING WERE RIGGED. THE CITY NEVER HAD AN HONEST PROCESS TO FIND OUT WHAT THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY REALLY WANTED. BEGINNING WEEKS BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL EVEN VOTED TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. WHEN MS. LAUREN BROWN OVER THERE IN THE PURPLE, I WANT EVERYONE TO SEE WHO'S RESPONSIBLE. THE COMMUNICATIONS PERSON SAID THE CITY WILL NOT BE REOPENING THE AMPHITHEATER. AND THAT HAS BEEN THE OFFICIAL CITY LINE EVER SINCE THE AMPHITHEATER WAS EXCLUDED FROM INITIAL SURVEYS. IT WAS INCLUDED ON LATER SURVEYS IN SUCH A WAY AS TO DISCOURAGE FAVORABLE REPLIES. AND FINALLY, THE NUMBERS AT THE END WERE MASSAGED TO GET A HOUSING RESULT. THE CITY DOESN'T KNOW IF THE PEOPLE WANT AN AMPHITHEATER BECAUSE IT NEVER ASKED PROPERLY YES TO THE FILM FESTIVAL, YES TO THE AMPHITHEATER, HOUSING, ONLY IF THE NEEDS OF ARTS ARE SATISFIED. FIRST. THANK YOU. I'M MICHAEL WRIGHT. THAT'S OUR LAST CARD. IF ANYBODY ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO FILL OUT A CARD RIGHT NOW. OTHERWISE, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO COUNCIL. THANKS MICHAEL. UM, MADAM, MADAM CHAIR COUNSEL. MY NAME IS MICHAEL WRIGHT AND I'M A RESIDENT OF SEDONA. I'LL BE, TRY TO BE VERY BRIEF. UM, I HAVE GREAT QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FAITH-BASED ECONOMIC ANALYSIS OF THE CULTURE PARK. TWO PEOPLE. IT IS FULL OF ESTIMATES AND PERHAPS AND PROJECTIONS, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THERE THAT WE COULD MAKE RESPONSIBLE DECISIONS. IT'S WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN, WHAT COULD HAPPEN, UH, BUT LET'S ASSUME FOR A MOMENT THAT THEY SUCCEED AND THEY'RE ABLE TO BRING IN THESE PEOPLE AND SUCCEED ECONOMICALLY. IN THE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE, THE TWO THINGS THAT PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT, WELL, THREE THINGS THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT MOST TOO MANY TR TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, TOO MUCH TOURISM, AND TOO MUCH FOCUS ON TOURISTS. THIS ASK US TO MAKE A MAJOR COMMITMENT AND A MAJOR DECISION TO DO MORE OF THAT. THEN I, THAT'S WHAT I HEAR, JUST LISTENING OVER THE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE, UH, ONE MORE CARD FROM BEN MILLER. PARDON? ONE MORE CARD. GOOD EVENING. UH, MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS, UH, BEN MILLER. I LIVE IN SCOTTSDALE. UM, JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, UM, I WAS RAISED ON A RANCH BETWEEN COTTONWOOD AND SEDONA. SO, UH, I'VE BEEN AROUND THE, THIS AREA FOR A LONG TIME. UM, I'M NOT REALLY SAYING IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THIS, UH, ANYTHING THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED THIS EVENING, BUT, UH, WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THAT I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH MANY OF THE FOLKS ON THE 2.0 BOARD, AND I'VE KNOWN 'EM FOR 25, 30, 40 YEARS. SO MY THOUGHT IS, IS THAT I'D LIKE TO SHARE SOME OF MY THOUGHTS WITH THEM MOVING FORWARD AND, UH, UH, NOT GET INTO THAT DETAIL AT THIS AT THIS TIME, BUT I WILL BE PROVIDING A, UH, A LETTER OR SOME INFORMATION TO THE COUNCIL ON A LOT OF MY [03:00:01] IDEAS. UH, I AM THE PRESIDENT OF SEDONA JAZZ AND THE ROCKS, WHICH WE'VE BEEN A DORMANT FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS. AND SO ULTIMATELY WE'D LOVE TO HAVE OUR HOME AT THE SERONA CULTURAL PARK. AND SO, UH, WITH THAT, UH, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY OTHER THAN I DO THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE A WORKFORCE HOUSING ELEMENT AS PART OF THIS OVERALL MIX. UM, AND UH, I JUST, TO JEANNIE'S POINT, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THAT. AND SO YOU'LL SEE SOME OF MY THOUGHTS WHEN I, UH, PRESENT MY LETTER TO THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BEN. OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE BACK TO COUNCIL. AND I THINK WHAT, UH, WE WANNA DO IS COME BACK TO CF 'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF UNRESOLVED FROM THE PRESENTATION. ARE WE READY TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF AND, UH, THE CIF BOARD AND PATRICK AND ABSENTIA TO GO TO THE NEXT, TO EXPLORE AND GO TO THE NEXT STEP? AND BRIAN, YOU WANNA RESERVE YOUR COMMENTS UNTIL AFTER YOU HEARD ALL THE PRESENTATIONS? RIGHT. AND MAYOR WE'RE NOT AGENDIZED FOR DIRECTION TODAY WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. SO WE CAN ONLY HAVE DISCUSSION TODAY. WE'RE RESERVING DIRECTION FOR NEXT WEEK DURING THE RETREAT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THE AGENDA IS FOR, UH, PRESENTATION DISCUSSION ONLY. THAT DOESN'T MEAN INDIVIDUALS, COUNSELORS CAN'T, UH, STATE THEIR PREFERENCE IN THEIR DISCUSSION. UH, BUT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A POLL OR A VOTE AFTERWARDS. YEAH. SO I THINK ALL THE COUNSELORS, EXCEPT FOR YOU, HAVE MADE A STATEMENT OF WHERE THEY, WHAT, WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN NEXT. I CONCUR WITH MY COLLEAGUES REGARDING CF. OKAY. IT'S ALRIGHT. THAT'S IT. IT'S A BROADER DISCUSSION NOW THAT I WANNA ENGAGE IN AND TONY, AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK. OKAY. COULD I ASK A QUESTION ON THE NEXT YEAH, OF COURSE. TOPIC. IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME TO THINK ABOUT THE ASK THAT WAS MADE FOR THE CP TWO STUFF. UH, THAT THE ASK WAS KIND OF FORMAL, A LITTLE GROUP, MAYBE IT'S A COUNCIL MEMBER OR A STAFF OF SOME KIND OF AUTHORITY TO GO OUT AND START NEGOTIATING STUFF. DO WE RUN AGAINST OUR BEST PRACTICE PROCUREMENT POLICIES OR POLICIES OR ANY LEGAL ISSUES ABOUT SOLE SOURCING NEGOTIATION? I, I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, WHEN I HAVE READ A LITTLE BIT OF READING THAT I DID ABOUT THE OPERATION OF THESE THINGS, IT ALWAYS SEEMS THAT THESE, THE OPERATION OF THEM ANYHOW, ONCE THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING OUT FOR COMPETITIVE BIDS. AND SO ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT KIND OF THE ASK WHAT WAS STRUCTURED AND WHAT PITFALLS ARE MIGHT BE OUT HERE? THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR. SO THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOLE SOURCE PROCUREMENT. THE CITY HAS, UM, UH, POLICIES ON THAT AND PROCEDURES TO FOLLOW. IF THAT'S THE, UM, ONE OPTION THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL ENDS UP DIRECTING THE CITY TO LOOK INTO, UM, A BID IS ALSO AN, AN AVAILABLE OPTION. SO I MEAN, AT THIS POINT IT WOULD DEPEND. WE'D NEED TO KNOW MORE DETAILS ON EXACTLY WHERE THAT WAS HEADED AS TO WHETHER OR NOT A SOLE SOURCE, UH, PROCUREMENT WOULD BE AVAILABLE OR NOT. BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME GUIDELINES ABOUT WHEN THEY'RE APPROPRIATE TO USE. CORRECT. SO WE HAVE A PROCUREMENT MANUAL THAT THE, THAT HELPS, UH, STAFF DETERMINED THAT. AND IF WE WERE TO WANT TO PROCEED TO THE NEXT STEP, WHICH WOULD BE, IN MY MIND, WAY SHORT OF ISSUING A CONTRACT. UH, BUT DO YOU SEE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT? NO. EX EXPLORATION AND DISCUSSIONS AND EVERYTHING IS, IS FINE WITH ALL, ALL THE PARTIES WITH, WITH AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT IT'S JUST THE NEXT STEP TO FURTHER FLESH OUT. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THAT WE ALL HAVE. AND IF WE DO, WE DID A DEEPER DIVE AND LOOKED AT SOME OF THESE THINGS AND WE WERE ABLE TO COME BACK AND TALK MORE ABOUT IT, I THINK, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. AND I THINK THEY, UH, GROUP WOULD AGREE THAT IT IS GONNA REQUIRE MORE DIALOGUE AND DISCUSSION AND STRUCTURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. MADAM MAYOR. SO NO INDIVIDUAL COUNSELOR OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, TWO, THREE COUNSELORS OR ANY STAFF OR GROUP OF STAFF MEMBERS CAN, CAN DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENS ON THIS PROPERTY. THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN BE LEASED OUT OR, OR SOLD OR DEVELOPED IN ANY WAY IS GONNA BE BY A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL IN AN OPEN, IN A VOTE AND OPEN MEETING. SO NO, NO ONE ELSE IS AUTHORIZED TO, TO BIND THE PROPERTY IN ANY WAY. BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET FROM COUNCIL IS JUST WHETHER YOU THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE OR NOT TO MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP. ARE YOU WILLING TO TAKE THAT NEXT STEP [03:05:01] STILL ON CF OR IN GENERAL? NO, WE'VE CHANGED 2.0. OKAY. I'M, I'M PREPARED TO SHARE COMMENTS, SO GO AHEAD. OKAY. UM, FIRST OFF, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU TO ALL THREE GROUPS FOR PREPARING AS YOU DID FOR TODAY. UH, CERTAINLY THANK YOU FOR, UM, COMING WITH A SPIRIT OF COMPROMISE. I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT ALL GROUPS HAVE COME A LONG WAY OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS FROM HEELS DUG INTO, UH, A WILLINGNESS TO TALK WITH ONE ANOTHER AND TO COUNSELOR DUNN'S QUESTION EARLIER OF KIND OF LIKE, HOW DID WE GET HERE TODAY? WELL, IT'S BECAUSE WE MADE A DECISION THAT IT'S BETTER TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH PEOPLE THAN IT IS TO SIMPLY DIG IN ONE'S HEELS AND NOT BE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT POSSIBILITIES AND TO TALK ABOUT COMPROMISE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR COMMUNITY, OUR STATE, OUR COUNTRY, WOULD BENEFIT FROM TO HAVE MORE DIALOGUE AND FEWER DUG IN HEELS. SO I'M REALLY PLEASED TO, UM, BE A PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED TODAY. AND I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY. UM, THIS PIECE OF LAND IS GOING TO BE, HAS BEEN AND WILL BE A CAUSE FOR TREMENDOUS CONSTERNATION FOR MANY, MANY PEOPLE. IT ALREADY HAS BEEN. IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE. AND I'M GOING TO READ TWO EMAILS THAT COUNCIL RECEIVED TODAY. THREE MINUTES APART. OKAY. AND THIS HIGHLIGHTS THE WILDLY DISPARATE VIEWS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. SO THE FIRST ONE FOR CULTURAL PARK, I'D ARGUE IT'S THE LAST WILD SPACE NEAR TO TOWN, WHICH IS BELOVED BY LOCALS FOR EVENING SUNSETS AND STARGAZING. TO LOSE THIS FREE SPACE OF NATURE WOULD BE A SHAME. I WANTED TO SUGGEST THAT IF YOU BUILD A COMMUNITY CENTER TO CHECK OUT THE COMMUNITY CENTER IN OUR SISTER CITY OF CANMORE, ALBERTA, IT'S CALLED ELEVATION PLACE AND CONTAINS A SWIMMING POOL, SAUNAS, YOGA CLASSROOMS, CLIMBING, GYM LIBRARY, COFFEE SHOP, ALL IN ONE INCREDIBLE BUILDING, ESPECIALLY A CLIMBING GYM WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION TO SEDONA AS AN INDOOR OPTION FOR EXERCISE AND FUN FOR KIDS, TEENS AND ADULTS ALIKE. WHEN ELEVATION PLACE WAS BUILT IN CANMORE, THE YOUNGER COMMUNITY STOPPED DRINKING AT THE BARS IN THE EVENINGS, INSTEAD WOULD MEET UP AND AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER FOR ROCK CLIMBING, IT STAYS OPEN UNTIL 10:00 PM SO IT TRULY OFFERS AN EVENING ACTIVITY. IN A TOWN WHERE ALMOST EVERYTHING IS OUTDOORS, PLEASE CONSIDER A CLIMBING REC CENTER FOR THE YOUNGER PEOPLE IN ADULTS OF SEDONA. IT WILL PROMOTE A FITNESS, IT WILL PROMOTE FITNESS AND FUN IN A SOBER SETTING. UH, THREE MINUTES LATER, I WISH I COULD MAKE TODAY'S MEETING ON THE CULTURAL PARK. I HAVE A QUICK NOTE. FEEL FREE TO SHARE IF THERE IS NEED. THERE'S A CHOICE IN HOW A CULTURE DEVELOPS IN SEDONA. ONE THAT WALLS OFF BECOMES MORE LIKE A WEALTHY GATED COMMUNITY. FROZEN AND AMBER AND INACCESSIBLE CULTURE CAN STAGNATE ART CAN BECOME SANITIZED AND PREDICTABLE. BLANDNESS RULES ANOTHER VISION. IMAGINE SOME PLACES TO LIVE FOR THE CULTURAL SHAKERS AND INNOVATORS. NEW BLOOD, FRESH ENERGY AND ACCESS POINT FOR NOVEL STRANDS OF DNA. THIS INFUSION CAN KEEP A COMMUNITY. VITAL GRADUATES FROM NAU COULD LOOK HERE, LIFTING THE CONVERSATION EVERYWHERE. HEALTHCARE STAFF MIGHT ACTUALLY STAY RATHER THAN MOVING ON. THE ARTS CAN HAVE ROOM TO EXPLORE THE AVANT-GARDE. A RICHNESS AND DIVERSITY COULD FLAVOR OUR PALATE. NONE OF THIS MEANS GIVING UP THE VALUES OF PUBLIC LAND PROTECTIONS IN THE SMALL TOWN. COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS FAR FROM IT. THE FORMER CULTURAL PARK AREA WAS DEVELOPED LONG AGO AND WAS A LITERAL GARBAGE DUMP FOR SIGNIFICANT CHUNKS OF THE 20TH CENTURY. IT'S NOT VIRGIN WILDERNESS WISE. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND ENFORCEMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS ALONG WITH CULTURAL INFRASTRUCTURE COULD GO A LONG WAY TO ENRICHING ALL OF OUR LIVES HERE. THAT PRETTY WELL SUMS UP THE WIDE DISPARATE VIEWS OF HOW PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THIS LAND. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO INCORPORATE AS WE LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THINK ABOUT WHAT IS HOPEFULLY BEST FOR SEDONA, NOT IN THE NEXT ONE TO TWO YEARS, BUT FOR DECADES TO COME. SO, YOU KNOW, AS I THINK ABOUT THIS, WHEN, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN PLENTY OF COMMENTS ABOUT, YEAH, LET'S GO TAKE THE SAW ALL TO THE OLD AMPHITHEATER, RIGHT? AND, AND IT TAKES COURAGE TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW WE COULD MAYBE MAKE THIS WORK, UH, OVERALL. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M PLEASED TO SAY THAT I'M OPEN TO SF BEING ON THIS PROPERTY AND I'M PLEASED TO SAY THAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE TALKING WITH, UM, ALAN'S GROUP, JEN MAY'S GROUP, UM, ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME PEACEFUL COEXISTENCE HERE OF ARTS CULTURE AND HOUSING. WE NEED ALL OF THAT, UH, NOT TO THE EXCLUSION OF ANOTHER. AND I THINK THAT THERE IS ENOUGH LAND ON THIS [03:10:01] PROPERTY THAT WE CAN MEET MANY, MANY NEEDS, INCLUDING OUTSTANDING ACCESS TO THE WESTERN GATEWAY SYSTEM OF TRAILS. NOTHING ABOUT DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY WILL DESTROY THE COMMUNITY'S ACCESS TO THAT AREA. SO, UM, YOU, YOU'VE GOT THAT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THIS CULTURAL COMPONENT. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THIS IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF HOUSING AND WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE HOUSING TO GET FAMILIES WITH KIDS THAT PUT BUTTS IN SEATS IN OUR SCHOOLS AND HOPEFULLY CAN KEEP THE SCHOOL SYSTEM ALIVE. AND HAVING THEM BE LOCATED RIGHT ACROSS FROM SEDONA RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL, WHERE THEY CAN WALK ACROSS THE STREET OR GIVE US A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND WE'LL HAVE SHARED USE PATHS THAT'LL PRETTY WELL CONNECT THE KIDS ALL THE WAY OVER EITHER TO THE, UM, THE CHARTER SCHOOL OR TO WEST SEDONA ELEMENTARY. SO THERE'S A LOT IN THIS THAT CAN WORK FOR I THINK A LOT OF DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS. AND I HOPE THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE AN OPEN MIND TO THAT. UM, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS BEING IN ANOTHER BATTLE OVER, YOU KNOW, ARE WE OR AREN'T WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PEACEFULLY COEXIST? I THINK AN INITIATIVE PROCESS, WHILE IT IS CERTAINLY OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS, AND BY ALL MEANS IF YOU SEE FIT GO FORTH, UM, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WILL PROBABLY RESULT IN A LOSE LOSE SCENARIO FOR EVERYBODY. I THINK IT WILL BLOW SIFTS TIMELINE OUT OF THE WATER COMPLETELY. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF, IF COUNSEL'S HANDS GET TIED LIKE THAT, I JUST, I DON'T SEE THINGS MOVING FORWARD PRODUCTIVELY. SO I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE APPROACHING THIS WITH A SPIRIT OF COMPROMISE. UM, AS ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WHO I THINK HAS NOW LEFT BUT HAS, UH, TOLD ME PREVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN EVERYBODY'S A LITTLE BIT MAD, THEN WE PROBABLY GOT TO THE RIGHT ANSWER, RIGHT? THAT NOBODY GETS ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT. SO I'M INTERESTED IN CONTINUING THE CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL THE GROUPS THAT WERE HERE TODAY, UM, IN THE WEEKS TO COME. AND I KNOW THAT NEXT WEEK IS WHEN WE'LL MAKE FORMAL, UH, DETERMINATION ABOUT THAT. BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU TO ALL THE GROUPS THAT WERE HERE TODAY. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU BRIAN. UH, LAUREN, I THINK YOU'RE WORKING ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK, ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE AGENDA FOR OUR RETREAT. SO CAN YOU MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE TALK, UM, ABOUT THIS ITEM, THAT IT IS AGENDIZED FOR DIRECTION? UM, YES. ANDY AND BARBARA, ARE WE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, IF THAT'S OKAY TO DO? YEAH, I WAS MORE LOOKING TO BARBARA 'CAUSE I THINK YOU'RE WORKING ON THIS MORE THAN ANYBODY. UH, YES, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. SORRY WE'RE ALL LOOKING TO EACH OTHER. THANK YOU. SO FOR THE AUDIENCE'S BENEFIT, WE ARE HAVING A THREE DAY RETREAT RIGHT HERE AT CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, RIGHT? YOU'RE FREE TO JOIN US, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE AGENDA AND IF ANYTHING'S OF INTEREST TO YOU, YOU PLEASE COME. I'M NOT SURE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO, I DON'T THINK WE'RE TO DO A PUBLIC FORUM THERE. UH, BUT IT'S REALLY TO SET OUR PRIORITIES FOR 2020 FY 2027 STARTS, JU JULY 1ST, AND HOW WE SPEND OUR MONEY AT A HIGHEST LEVEL, WHICH LEADS INTO OUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS THAT'LL HAPPEN LATER IN, IN JANUARY AND IN APRIL. DEREK, UM, FIRST OFF, CAN WE QUIT CALLING IT A RETREAT? 'CAUSE IT'S MORE OF A SLOG, , UM, RETREAT. MAKES IT SOUND LIKE WE'RE ALL GONNA GET TOGETHER AND HAVE FUN. UH, WHICH IT'S REALLY NOT THAT FUN. . UM, I'M GONNA PREFACE EVERYTHING I SAY ABOUT THE AMPHITHEATER WITH I AM NOT READY TO CUT OFF DISCUSSIONS. UM, IT'S GONNA SOUND LIKE I'M VERY DOWN ON THE AMPHITHEATER. UH, I AM. UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD STILL TALK. UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A PATH FORWARD. UH, BUT I AM VERY SKEPTICAL. UM, I QUESTION THE GENERAL PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR THE AMPHITHEATER. UH, I THINK MICHAEL WRIGHT COMMENTED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE THING WE CONSISTENTLY HEAR FROM PEOPLE, IS THERE TOO MANY TOURISTS OR TOO MUCH TRAFFIC? THERE'S TOO MUCH THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER. UM, I DON'T HEAR VERY MANY RESIDENTS SAYING, LET'S GET MORE PEOPLE TO COME HERE. UM, I REALIZE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY HAS, YOU KNOW, COUNTERVAILING INTERESTS AND WE NEED TO BALANCE THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE ARE ONLY HEARING AT IN THIS MEETING AND THIS MEETING WE'VE HEARD FROM OTHER [03:15:01] PEOPLE AT OTHER TIMES. BUT I FEEL LIKE AT THIS POINT WE'RE NOT REALLY HEARING FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC. UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE EARLY MEETINGS WITH DIG STUDIOS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU THINK ABOUT THAT PROCESS. BUT I MEAN, THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, QUALITY OF LIFE NOISE AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK HAVE REALLY BEEN COVERED IN THIS, IN THIS MEETING. UM, I AM PRETTY CERTAIN THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANNA PAY FOR THIS. UH, WE HAD THE BUDGET SURVEY, UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WERE WORDED, BUT PEOPLE WERE VERY CLEAR THEY DIDN'T WANNA PAY TO DO THIS THING. UM, I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THE VIABILITY OF THE PROJECT WITHOUT BASICALLY CITY SUBSIDY. I DON'T WANT THE CITY TO BE RUNNING THIS THING. UM, I DON'T WANT THE CITY TO, I MEAN, I WANT TO LEASE IT OR NOT SELL IT PROBABLY, BUT LEASE IT TO Y'ALL AND LET Y'ALL DEAL WITH IT. YOU TAKE THE RISK, YOU GET THE MONEY, YOU GET THE REWARD IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S AN UPSIDE. GREAT. UH, BUT I, I AM, I'M JUST VERY SKEPTICAL ABOUT THIS. UM, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN B IF WE DO GO FORWARD WITH THE AMPHITHEATER. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN B. AND THIS NEEDS TO BE DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT IF THE, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, THE AMPHITHEATER FOLDS, OKAY, THEN WE BULLDOZE IT. AND THEN WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THE REMAINDER? I DON'T WANT A DERELICT AMPHITHEATER SITTING AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS. I HOPE IT IF YOU, IF YOU DO REOPEN IT, I HOPE YOU SUCCEED. I LOVE LIVE MUSIC, BUT I'M JUST NOT CONVINCED IT'S GONNA HAPPEN. BUT, UM, I'M TRYING TO READ MY NOTES. I DON'T WANT THE FOCUS ON THE AMPHITHEATER TO HOLD BACK THE SFI THINK THE SCIF HAS GOT A, YOU KNOW, THE SIF IS A KNOWN QUANTITY, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. IF THEY'RE READY TO GO FORWARD, I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE DOING THAT. AND I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, THEY SURVIVED THE FAILURE OF THE AMPHITHEATER ONCE. I DON'T WANT THE AMPHITHEATER TO DRAG THEM DOWN. SO MY VIEW IS, AND I REALIZE IT'S ALL GONNA HAVE TO BE COORDINATED AND, YOU KNOW, FIGURE EVERYTHING OUT. BUT I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO START TALKING TO THE SIF VERY EARLY SO THAT WE CAN MEET THEIR TIMELINE. UM, THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PLOPPING IT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. IT'S OFF TO THE ONE SIDE. I THINK THAT THE SIF COULD BE ACCOMMODATED WITHOUT MAKING A SOLID COMMITMENT ON THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY. UM, YOU KNOW, LAST THING, UH, ALAN A FELT, I ENJOYED YOUR PRESENTATION. YOU SAID THAT JUST BECAUSE IT FAILED ONCE DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GONNA FAIL AGAIN, WHICH IS TRUE. UM, BUT I THINK THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THOSE WHO IGNORE HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT. AND I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, 10, 20, HOWEVER MANY YEARS FROM NOW, PEOPLE ARE LOOKING BACK AND GOING, WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE THINKING? SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S REALLY THINK THIS THROUGH. AGAIN, I WANT TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. UH, BUT THERE, IF IT'S GONNA GET MY SUPPORT, IT'S, THERE ARE A LOT OF HURDLES IT'S GONNA HAVE TO OVERCOME. THANK YOU. READY? SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR FAFF. I, I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M GONNA ADD MUCH TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID. I THINK MY POSITIONS ARE REALLY QUITE THE SAME FOR ME. I SEE, OR MAYBE IT'S FEEL THAT THERE'S A, AN OBVIOUS NEXT STEP WITH THE SIFT STUFF. SO I, I KIND OF SEE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THERE WITH THE, THE ALLEN'S CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PLANNING WORDS AND THOUGHTS. I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME GOOD STUFF THERE, BUT I STILL AM NOT, I AM NOT READY TO GIVE UP ON DIG. WE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO IT. THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH. THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE, AND WE KIND OF USED THAT TO GO A CERTAIN DIRECTION. SO THERE'S SOME RECONCILIATION THAT NEEDS TO BE THERE. AND WE AS COUNCIL AND STAFF HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER THAT DIG PROCESS IS GONNA CONTINUE OR NOT. UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S IN FRONT OF US, UM, FOR THE CP TWO. YEAH, YOU, YOU EXPRESS MY SKEPTICISM POINTS AS WELL. I JUST DON'T FEEL IT THE SAME WAY AS I DO THE SIFT THING. AND I'M, I I VERY MUCH AGREE. I'M NOT GONNA ECHO ALL THE THOUGHTS THAT YOU SAID, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DEBT SERVICE AND MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS AND FUTURE CAPITAL NEEDS AND INFRASTRUCTURE COST MAINTENANCE OF THAT LAW ENFORCE. I MEAN, THE LIST GOES ON ABOUT THE COST OF THESE TO THE COMMUNITY. AND I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS TO SPEND ITS MONEY ON THOSE THINGS. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP WITH CP TWO, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M OPEN TO THE CONVERSATION, BUT [03:20:01] AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS THE NEW ONE THING I WILL ADD TO YOUR, YOUR STATEMENTS. AND, AND BRIAN'S YOURS AS WELL. YOU WERE ECHOED MANY OF THE THINGS I THINK AS WELL. COUNCILLOR F YOU MENTIONED, YOU SAID THE WORDS PLAN B AND YOU TALKED ABOUT, AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT PLAN B, THE NEED FOR A PLAN B IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A BALLOT MEASURE THAT'S STILL FLOATING OUT THERE. AND THE PEOPLE WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT, IT'S STILL A NO HOUSING BALLOT MEASURE. AND IF WE GET TOO DISTRACTED ON CP TWO AND WE DON'T END UP WITH A PLAN THAT COUNCIL SUPPORTS ABOUT HOUSING IN WESTERN GATEWAY, THE BALLOT MEASURE FIGHT IS GONNA BE ABOUT FEARS ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE THERE IF WE HAVEN'T HAD SOME REAL THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO BE THERE. AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD DISCUSSION. THOSE BATTLES, YOU KNOW, AREN'T VERY LOGICAL WHEN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT THE FEARS OF WHAT MIGHT BE THERE, WHAT COUNCIL MIGHT DO. AND SO WE HAVE TO BE READY FOR THAT CONVERSATION WITH OUR COMMUNITY, UM, IF THAT BALLOT MEASURE MOVES FORWARD. SO, THANK YOU. SO THE, UM, THE 2.0 PEOPLE AND I LOOK AT YOUR MAP, DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY THAT ALL OF THE HOUSING THAT'S IN THE ARTS VILLAGE IS ACTUALLY INTENDED FOR ARTISTS AND THERE WOULD NOT ACTUALLY BE RESIDENTS THERE? NO, THAT WAS JUST ALWAYS BEEN OUR VISION TO HAVE COME TO THE MIC, PLEASE. THIS ONE I CAN HEAR YOU, BUT NOT EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU. YEAH. OUR VISION FROM DAY ONE 30 YEARS AGO WAS ALWAYS TO HAVE SOME MIXED USE HOUSING IN THE ARTIST VILLAGE OR, AND BASICALLY THAT MEANS WE'RE THINKING ARTISTS, PERFORMERS, WRITERS, SCULPTORS, ARTS ORIENTED HOUSING. WE'RE NOT SAYING TO BE EXCLUSIVE FOR THAT, BUT WE WANT TO GET THAT ASPECT IN THE HOUSING. IT'S PART OF IT. AND BASICALLY WE'RE TERMING ALL OUR HOUSING AS MIXED INCOME. WE'RE NOT SAYING THIS IS FOR SENIORS, THIS IS FOR WORKFORCE, THIS IS FOR LOW INCOME. UH, THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SET UP A FORMAT THAT COULD BE WORKED WITH. BUT I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THE, THE, UM, HOUSING THAT'S UP IN THE CORNER YES. WHICH IS THE PREDOMINANT AMOUNT OF HOUSING IS WALLED OFF FROM THE REST OF THE PARK. NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT. IT'S GOT, ITS ITS OWN GATE. SO THE, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, WORKABILITY OF HAVING PEOPLE LIVING THERE AND PARKING FOR, UH, EVENTS THAT THEY'RE SEPARATE. WE HAVE A GATE THAT LEADS INTO THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL ASPECT OF IT. SO THEY, THEY GO IN THERE AND, UH, THERE'S NO CONCERT GOERS USING THEIR PARKING. BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT TRUE GONNA BE TRUE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN THE ARTS VILLAGE. WELL, THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED. WE HAVE PARKING SPOTS OVER THERE AND, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ALL THOSE ANSWERS, BUT OKAY. I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. UM, HERE'S MY THOUGHT ON PLAN B. I'M GONNA LOOK AT KURT. WE CAN'T PUT HOUSING UP THERE. BALLOT INITIATIVE, WHATEVER IT IS. CAN WE SELL THIS PROPERTY? UH, THE CITY IS SUBJECT TO THE LIMITATION THERE, OR CAN'T SELL PROPERTY WITH MORE THAN $15 MILLION WITHOUT A VOTER APPROVAL. SO, UM, THE CITY COULD, UM, POTENTIALLY PARSE IT OUT AND SELL AT DIFFERENT PARCELS AT DIFFERENT TIMES. THOUGH MY UNDERSTANDING, WHEN THEY WOULD LAND WAS PURCHASED, WHICH WAS JUST BEFORE OUR TIME ON, ON COUNCIL, IT WAS PURCHASED FOR HOUSING. NOW WHAT I KEEP HEARING IS YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT ON THERE. SO LONG AS IT'S NOT HOUSING, YOU CAN PUT AMPHITHEATERS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT SURVIVE. AND A CITY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE TO GO INTO DEBT TO SUPPORT. YOU CAN, UM, SUPPORT S AND LET SIF BE THERE. YOU CAN DO AN ART MUSEUM, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT, BUT YOU CAN'T LET PEOPLE LIVE THERE. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE BOUGHT THE LAND FOR. AND SO IF THERE'S NO COMPROMISE HERE, IF, IF THERE, IF THE COMPROMISE IS YOU GIVE US NO HOUSING OR WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, FIGHT YOU TO THE DEATH, THEN WE NEED A PLAN B THAT SAYS WE DON'T USE THIS PROPERTY. WE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET RID OF THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE THE CITY OF SEDONA, THIS RESIDENTS OF SEDONA DON'T WANT THIS PROPERTY. UM, MAYBE, MAYBE THE GUYS, UM, OVER HERE WITH CP TWO WILL FIND SOMEONE WHO WILL SAY, YEP, WE'LL COME IN AND WE'LL BUY IT FOR 25 MILLION AND WE'LL BUILD WHATEVER IT IS WE'RE GONNA BUILD. I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS FROM THE FACT OF THAT'S WHAT WE BOUGHT THE LAND FOR. AND IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO [03:25:01] USE IT FOR THAT PURPOSE, IF WE'RE ONLY GONNA EVER USE THE DELLS FOR THE PURPOSE OF, OF HOUSING WHENEVER THAT MAY BE, AND THAT'LL BE THE NEXT CONVERSATION FOLKS, IF YOU WANNA STAY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WITH WASTEWATER IS WHAT WE'RE DOING OUT AT THE DELLS. UM, THEN THIS LAND IS GONNA LIE THERE AND THAT AMPHITHEATER'S GONNA ROT, IT'S GONNA FALL DOWN, IT'S GONNA BECOME A HAZARD, AND WE WILL TEAR IT DOWN BECAUSE IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD AND NOTHING WILL HAPPEN ON THAT PROPERTY. AND THE CITY WILL HAVE GONE INTO DEBT WITH A DEBT SERVICE FOR $20 MILLION ON PROPERTY. IT CANNOT USE FOR ANYTHING BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE WILL EVER BE A COUNCIL THAT'S GOING TO SAY, SURE, NO HOUSING IS ABSOLUTELY FINE ON THIS $20 MILLION PIECE OF PROPERTY WE BOUGHT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF BUILDING HOUSING. SO I'M HAPPY TO CONTINUE TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS RIGHT NOW, IF THIS ENDS UP BEING A BALLOT INITIATIVE, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING THAT'S PLAN B. WE DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH THIS LAND. AND WE FIGURE OUT A WAY AS A CITY TO GET OUR MONEY BACK AND GO DO AND USE THAT MONEY FOR BUILDING HOUSING OUT AT THE DELLS. BUT I'M HAPPY TO KEEP TALKING TO PEOPLE, BUT I DON'T LIKE THE FEELING OF A SORT OF DAMOCLES OF A THREAT HANGING OVER MY HEAD THAT TELLS ME THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THIS LAND IS GONNA BE USELESS. AND YOU KNOW, ANOTHER QUESTION IS, COULD WE PUT A BIG FENCE AROUND OUR PROPERTY? KURT, KERRY, ANYONE? ANDY? UH, A PORTION OF IT IS ALREADY FENCED OFF. THE CITY COULD EXPAND THE FENCED OFF AREA, UM, AND PROHIBIT IT FROM PUBLIC USE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ACCESS TO THE, UH, THE TRAILHEAD. THE TRAILHEAD, YEAH. SO THAT'S SOMETHING FOR THE PUBLIC TO KEEP IN MIND AS WELL, THAT AS A CITY, THIS JUST 'CAUSE WE OWN IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYONE JUST HAS USE OF IT. AND I KNOW THAT SOUNDS REALLY HARSH, BUT I'M SAYING IF WE CANNOT COME TO A COMPROMISE WHERE WE CAN ALL LIVE WITH THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE HOUSING UP THERE, THEN I PERSONALLY AM NOT SURE WHY WE HAVE THIS PROPERTY. SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION AROUND AMPHITHEATERS. CERTAINLY SF UM, I KNOW THE ART MUSEUM, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED WITH ALAN'S PLAN FOR THE ART MUSEUM VERSUS WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY AROUND THE ART MUSEUM. BUT WE CAN HAVE ALL THAT DISCUSSION. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE HONEST HERE AND SAY WE BOUGHT THE LAND FOR HOUSING. WE BOUGHT THE LAND TO TRY AND HELP WORKFORCE HOUSING. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LOW INCOME HOUSING. THIS ISN'T A LITECH PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT CAN BE NICE HOUSING FOR OUR POLICE, FOR OUR HEALTHCARE WORKERS, FOR OUR EDUCATORS. BUT I THINK THAT'S WHY WE BOUGHT THIS LAND. CHARLOTTE. I I DEFINITELY WAS NOT ON COUNCIL WHEN THE LAND WAS PURCHASED, BUT MY RECOLLECTION OF THE CONVERSATION AROUND IT WAS THAT CERTAIN COUNSELORS WERE INSISTENT THAT THEY WOULD ONLY VOTE FOR IT IF THERE WAS A HOUSING COMPONENT. BUT IT WAS ALWAYS A, IN MY MIND, A DISCUSSION OF A HOUSING COMPONENT. IT WAS NOT BOUGHT SOLELY FOR HOUSING. IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE USED SOLELY FOR HOUSING. THAT'S JUST, AGAIN, MY RECOLLECTION I'M THROWING OUT THERE. I I REALLY FOUND MYSELF NODDING IN AGREEMENT WITH, UM, COUNCILOR FAFF AS HE WAS SPEAKING. I DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF SKEPTICISM ABOUT A FULL REVITALIZATION ALL THE WAY THROUGH A PHASE THREE OF THE AMPHITHEATER. AND I JUST DO NOT THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT MAJORITY OF SEDONAS WANT. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES SMALL IS BEAUTIFUL. I DON'T THINK WE'RE NECESSARILY TRYING TO BECOME THE NEXT, UH, RED ROCK AMPHITHEATER OR THE ST. AUGUSTINE ONE, BUT SOMETHING MORE MODESTLY, UM, SIZED, I THINK WOULD BE USEFUL TO THE RESIDENTS AND ALSO TO TOURISTS. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ECONOMICALLY VIABLE. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE WHAT WOULD BE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE. I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THAT FUNDED, THAT EXPLORATION FUNDED BY THOSE WHO WANT TO PURSUE THAT AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY HAVING TO PAY FOR THAT. I, I HAVE, EXCUSE ME, NOTHING AGAINST PURSUING, CONTINUING A CONVERSATION WITH THE, UM, CULTURAL POINT MARK 2.0 PEOPLE, BUT I THINK [03:30:01] WE NEED SOME MORE SPECIFICITY, UH, IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS. OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST GONNA GO ROUND AND ROUND AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THAT SPECIFICITY WITHOUT BRINGING IN SOME SOMEBODY WHO IS, UM, WHOSE BUSINESS IT IS, UM, TO, TO HAVE RUN THESE KINDS OF THINGS. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AN EXPENDITURE TO HAVE TO DISCUSS. UH, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT SIF HAS PROVEN ITSELF. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT MEANS IN TERMS OF REZONING WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE FIRST, BUT, UM, I THINK PLAN DEVELOPMENT COVERS, UH, QUITE A BIT OF SPACE AS AS COMMERCIAL. SO SOMETHING COULD BE DONE. UM, AND I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE DISCUSSING HOUSING, WHETHER IT'S HOUSING AT THE CULTURAL PARK, AT THE DALE'S, AT BOTH. THERE'S ROOM FOR BOTH. AND, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE I END. THANK YOU CHARLOTTE. UH, BRIAN, YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING TO YOUR YEAH, JUST VERY BRIEFLY. UM, AND IT'S IN REFERENCE TO, UH, PART OF THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION HERE. YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF WORKS VERY HARD TO, UH, SERVE THE COMMUNITY WELL AND I THINK THEY DO A GREAT JOB AT IT. AND IN THE CASE OF OUR COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER OR THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS IN THE ROLE AT THE TIME, UM, SHE'S ONLY GOING TO BE SPEAKING ON WHAT, UH, COUNSEL HAS SAID, UH, THEY WANT DELIVERED AS A MESSAGE. AND IT'S NOT A, UH, STAFF PERSON THAT IS DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD EVER BE AN AMPHITHEATER, UH, ON THIS PROPERTY. SO, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF RESPECT AND DECORUM FOR OUR STAFF IS ALWAYS MUCH APPRECIATED. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO I'LL TELL YOU WHERE, WHERE I'M AT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. AND, UH, I THINK THAT WE, I KNOW I, WHEN WE, LAST TIME WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS, ASKED FOR COMPROMISE, ASKED FOR A WAY IN WHICH WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS OF THE VARIOUS GROUPS WHO ALL HAVE COMPELLING CASES. AND I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING HERE. AND I KNOW IT TOOK A LOT OF, OF, UM, CHANGE A LOT OF THOUGHT, A LOT OF WILLINGNESS TO BE FLEXIBLE, UH, AND NOT TO DATE, YOU KNOW, TO BE DUG IN, ESPECIALLY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAD A VISION FROM THE TIME THAT THE AMPHITHEATER WAS FIRST ENVISIONED. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. UH, AND I THINK THAT CIF IS A MORE MATURE ORGANIZATION. CF HAS A MORE MATURE PLAN AND A PROVEN TRACK RECORD. AND SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD EXPECT THAT THE CULTURAL PARK 2.0 PEOPLE BE IN THE SAME MATURITY LEVEL AS IF THEY, AND THEY'RE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT, THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE TO SEE WHETHER THIS IS A VIABLE PLAN OR NOT. I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON OUTDOOR VENUES OR CONCERTS, SO I HAVE NO IDEA. AND I THINK IT'S RIGHT FOR US TO BE SKEPTICAL 'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, BUT I CERTAINLY SUPPORT TRYING TO GET THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE WILL BE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT TO DO. WHETHER WE WANT TO HAVE AN AMPHITHEATER OR NOT HAVE AN AMPHITHEATER, WHETHER IT SHOULD BE 1,850 SEATS OR 5,500 SEATS RIGHT NOW. I, I COULDN'T TELL YOU, UH, 'CAUSE I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE AND THE WILLINGNESS TO DO THAT COLLABORATIVELY, I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE. SO I THINK THAT WHEN ALAN TALKED ABOUT CHARETTES, UH, IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD WAY IN WHICH TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP, I THINK, WITH THE 2.0 AND START BRAINSTORMING ABOUT IT AND TRYING TO FILL IN THOSE GAPS. AND FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS EXPERIENCED TIM ALLEN, SCOTT, YOU KNOW, AND OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY, WE GOT AN EMAIL FROM SOMEBODY ELSE TODAY WHO HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE THAT YOU MAY NOT EVEN BE AWARE OF WHO WOULD LIKE TO OFFER SOME OPINIONS. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD BRING ALL THE EXPERTISE THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND GO DOWN THAT PATH. SO [03:35:01] I WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK. SO THAT'S WHERE I AM ON BOTH SIF AND UH, 2.0. AND I WANNA THANK YOU. AND THE, UH, IN TERMS OF THE HOUSING, JEANNIE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS THAT WERE PARTICULARLY THOUGHTFUL, I THOUGHT APPRECIATED THEM. AND CHARLOTTE, I, I AGREE WITH YOU. I WAS AROUND WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND IN MY MIND, AND IT WASN'T DEFINED, IT'S, YES, HOUSING WAS CERTAINLY ONE IMPORTANT ELEMENT, BUT I SAW IT AS A VILLAGE. YOU KNOW, I'VE LIVED IN A PLANNED COMMUNITY, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WHERE THERE WERE SCHOOLS AND THERE WAS, UH, AND THERE WERE OUTDOOR CONCERTS AND THERE WAS ALL TYPES OF HOUSING. THERE WAS SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, THERE WAS CONDOMINIUMS, THERE WERE TOWNHOUSES, UH, IN VIRGINIA BEFORE I MOVED HERE. AND THAT'S, IN MY MIND, THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS THOUGHT ABOUT IT. AND HAD LITTLE COFFEE SHOPS AND PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE COULD GO AND THERE'D BE ARTS AND IT WOULD BE A THRIVING COMMUNITY. SO WE NEVER GOT THAT FAR. WE BOUGHT THE LAND AND THEN WE PUT IT ON THE BACK BURNER BECAUSE WE HAD OTHER PRIORITIES. WE HAD TO GET THE COMMUNITY PLAN DONE, WE HAD OTHER THINGS AND WE DIDN'T HAVE STAFF CAPACITY TO DO BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME. UH, SO IT DIDN'T GET FLUSHED OUT AND NOW IT IS GETTING FLUSHED OUT AND NOW TIMES HAVE CHANGED ALSO. SO WE HAVE TO MODIFY OUR, OUR THINKING PERHAPS, ALTHOUGH IN MY MIND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE VISION THAT I HAD PERSONALLY. UH, BUT IT'S A VERY HIGH LEVEL . SO THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS. UH, SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AND, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. THANK YOU FOR ADHERING TO MY SHORTENED TIMEFRAME. I APPRECIATE IT. I HOPE YOU ALL HAD A CHANCE TO SAY EVERYTHING YOU WANTED TO, AND IF YOU DIDN'T, PLEASE WRITE TO US AND GIVE US MORE. SO THANK YOU ALL. NOW WE'LL TAKE A BREAK AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO, UM, WASTEWATER. YOU SURE YOU DON'T WANNA STAY FOR WASTEWATER? ? OKAY, WE'RE GETTING READY TO MOVE ON. OH YEAH, YEAH, . OH, NO WORRIES. I WANTED TO HEAR HIS WISDOM ON WASTEWATER. OKAY, EVERYBODY WHO'S NOT STAYING, FOR THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE TAKE THE CONVERSATION INTO THE HALLWAY. THANK YOU. WE'RE [3.b. AB 3287 Discussion/possible direction regarding the Wastewater Reclamation Plant (WWRP) Facility Plan on future effluent management strategies and the environmental study of the Dells land. ] AT, UH, THREE B AB 32 87. DISCUSSION POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING THE WASTEWATER RECLAMATION PLANT, WWRP FACILITY PLAN ON FUTURE EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY OF THE DES LAND ROXANNE. RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. ROXANNE HOLLAND. UH, DIRECTOR OF WASTEWATER MAYOR, VICE MAYOR COUNSELORS. I AM HERE TONIGHT TO PROVIDE OUR THIRD UPDATE TO OUR WASTEWATER RECLAMATION PLANT FACILITY PLAN. UM, I HAVE WITH ME TERRY SUE ROSSI, UM, VICE PRESIDENT OF WATER RESOURCES WITH ARIZONA WATER COMPANY, AND I ALSO HAVE JOHN SNICKERS. WHAT IS YOUR TITLE? I'M SORRY. . DIVISION MANAGER. DIVISION MANAGER FOR SEDONA, UM, WITH ARIZONA WATER COMPANY. AND THEN ANDY HAAS, UH, VICE PRESIDENT OF ENGINEERING FOR ARIZONA WATER COMPANY. HE'LL BE BACK. HE MUST BE IN THE ROOM. LITTLE BOYS ROOM, . ALL RIGHT, SO JUST LOOKING AT OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, UM, FIRST THING I'M GONNA GO OVER WHAT OUR EXPECTED OUTCOME WOULD BE FOR THIS EVENING. UM, I'LL REVIEW OUR PREVIOUS UPDATES THAT WE HAD ON THE FACILITY PLAN TEXT. ARE WE GOOD WITH HER TOO, CHARLOTTE? UM, I'LL GO OVER THE STUDIES THAT WE DID ON THE DALE'S LAND FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND SOIL EVALUATIONS. WE'LL TALK ABOUT OUR EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES. ARIZONA WATER WILL, UH, PRESENT SOME INFORMATION ON THEIR LONG-TERM WATER PLAN. UM, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT AN ASSURED WATER SUPPLY AND WHAT THE NEXT STEPS MIGHT BE FROM HERE. SO AT THE END OF THE, THE EVENING TONIGHT, WE WOULD LIKE DIRECTION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ABANDONING IRRIGATION OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE, LIKE TO KEEP. WE HAVE MONEY IN OUR 10 YEAR CIP FOR BOTH, UM, IRRIGATION REPAIRS AND INJECTION WELLS. UM, AND IF WE ARE GOING TO ABANDON, I CAN, I CAN TAKE THAT OUT OF OUR 10 YEAR CIP AND MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, BETTER COST ESTIMATES FOR OTHER EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES. UM, AND THEN ALSO AS WE STARTED COMING UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION AND WORKING WITH ARIZONA WATER COMPANY, MORE [03:40:01] QUESTIONS CAME UP. SO AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IF WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH TEAMING UP WITH ARIZONA WATER COMPANY IN SUPPLYING OUR EFFLUENT IS PART OF THEIR POTABLE WATER SUPPLY. UM, WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE WE HAD MORE QUESTIONS THAN WE HAD ANSWERS AS WE STARTED LOOKING INTO THIS. SO, UM, I'LL GET BACK, I'LL GET INTO THAT TOWARDS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT, SO JUST A QUICK, UH, REVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE AND HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY. SO AS YOU'LL REMEMBER, THE FACILITY PLAN HAD THREE PROJECT DRIVERS. THE FIRST WAS TO DO A CAPACITY ANALYSIS OF OUR TREATMENT PROCESSES, UM, TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE ADEQUATE CAPACITY TO TREAT THROUGH BUILD OUT FLOWS. UM, THAT IS COMPLETE. WE HAD ONE LITTLE BOTTLENECK AREA, AND THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED RIGHT NOW WITH OUR UV REPLACEMENT PROJECT. UH, WE ALSO LOOKED AT IMPENDING PFAS TREATMENT ALTERNATIVES, UM, IF PENDING REGULATIONS HAPPEN WE WANTED TO BE READY WITH, WITH A PLAN. UM, SO WE EVALUATED ALTERNATIVES, GIVEN SOME ANTICIPATED REGULATIONS. WE STILL DON'T KNOW THE TIMING OF WHEN THOSE REGULATIONS MIGHT, UM, BE IMPOSED ON WASTEWATER UTILITIES, BUT WE ARE READY AND WE HAVE THAT BUDGETED IN OUR 10 YEAR CIP. SO THEN WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS LOOKING AT WHAT DO WE WANNA DO IN TERMS OF AFFLUENT MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES. AND THOSE OPTIONS INCLUDED ADDITIONAL RECHARGE WELLS, UH, DELIVERING RECLAIMED WATER TO PARKS FOR IRRIGATION AND, UM, IMPLEMENTING ADVANCED WATER PURIFICATION. SO, UH, WE HAD FIVE ALTERNATIVES IN OUR FACILITY PLAN. THE FIRST WAS TO GET, KEEP EXISTING IRRIGATION WETLANDS AND RECHARGE WELLS, AND THEN ADD TWO NEW RECHARGE WELLS FOR FUTURE CAPACITY. ALTERNATIVE TWO WAS TO ABANDON OUR IRRIGATION AND THEN JUST ADD ADDITIONAL RECHARGE WELLS TO HANDLE ALL THE CAPACITY FOR EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT. ALTERNATIVE THREE WAS TO KEEP EXISTING IRRIGATION WETLANDS AND RECHARGE WELLS, BUT THEN ALSO DELIVER WATER TO THE PARKS FOR IRRIGATION RECLAIMED WATER. UM, ALTERNATIVE FOUR WAS TO ABANDON IRRIGATION, KEEP THE WETLANDS, KEEP OUR EXISTING RETAIL CHARGE WELLS, DELIVER RECLAIMED WATER TO THE PARKS AND ADD RECHARGE WELLS IF IF NEEDED FOR CAPACITY IN THE FUTURE. UM, AND THEN ALTERNATIVE FIVE WAS TO ABANDON IRRIGATION, KEEP OUR WETLANDS AND RECHARGE WELLS, AND THEN IMPLEMENT ADVANCED WATER PURIFICATION AND POTABLE WATER DELIVERY. SO WE WENT THROUGH A A YES SIR. SORRY, R JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION ON THAT ALTERNATIVE TO, CAN YOU JUST GO BACK ONE? MM-HMM . ALTERNATIVE TWO DOES MAINTAIN THE WETLANDS, CORRECT? IT DOES ALL OF THE, UM, ALTERNATIVES HERE MAINTAIN THE WETLANDS BECAUSE IT IS A COMMUNITY, UH, PARK AND PEOPLE ENJOY IT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO, UH, THEN WE WENT THROUGH A RANKING OF THESE BASED ON A, A VARIETY OF CRITERIA THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY COROLLA STAFF AND, AND WASTEWATER STAFF. UM, AND THEN WE WENT THROUGH A, A DECISION MATRIX, A RANKING MATRIX. AND THIS IS HOW ALL THE ALTERNATIVES TURNED OUT IN, IN ORDER OF HIGHEST RANKING TO LOWEST RANKING. SO ALTERNATIVE TWO, ABANDONING 200 ACRES OF IRRIGATION AND ADDING ADDITIONAL RECHARGE, WELL SCORED THE HIGHEST. UM, THAT IS OUR, WAS OUR PLAN FROM 2013, OUR EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT OPTIMIZATION PLAN THAT WAS COMPLETED. IT'S THE SAME PLAN. UM, THAT CAPITAL COST IS $22 MILLION. UM, WE HAVE AN IMPLEMENTATION TIMELINE OF ABOUT TWO TO THREE YEARS FROM PROJECT INCEPTION TO PROJECT COMPLETION, AND THAT INCLUDES PERMITTING AND ET CETERA. UM, ALTERNATIVE FOUR, UH, ABANDONING IRRIGATION AND ADDING RECHARGE WELLS, BUT ALSO DELIVERING RECLAIMED WATER TO CITY PARKS FOR, UM, IRRIGATION WAS OUR SECOND HIGHEST SCORING. UH, THE COST FOR THAT INCREASES BECAUSE WE NEED TO REHAB, UH, THE LINE THAT GOES BACK TO THE PARKS TO RETURN THE WATER UP THERE. UM, ALSO A TWO TO THREE YEAR IMPLEMENTATION TIMELINE ON THAT. AND THEN ALTERNATIVE FIVE, UH, WAS THE NEXT HIGHEST RANKING. AND THAT WAS ABANDONING IRRIGATION, IMPLEMENTING, UH, ADVANCED WATER PURIFICATION AND USING THAT FOR POTABLE WATER DELIVERY. UM, THAT IS THE HIGHEST COST ESTIMATE OF THE, OF THE ALTERNATIVES AT $161 MILLION. UM, THE TIMEFRAME TO IMPLEMENT THAT IS ON THE SCALE OF FIVE TO 10 YEARS. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER TWO ALTERNATIVES WE KIND OF HAVE THROWN OUT IN TERMS OF TALKING THEM ABOUT THEM MOVING FORWARD. YEAH. ROXANNE, COULD I, YEP. BACK TO THAT [03:45:01] SLIDE, JUST YES. SO MY THINKING IS CLEAR AND I DIDN'T PULL BACK THE LAST PACKET TO DIG THROUGH TO FIND IT. THAT'S OKAY. ALTERNATIVE ONE, WHICH YOU WERE SAYING IS KIND OF DISMISSED, BUT WHAT'S THE, THE SHARE BETWEEN THE EXISTING IRRIGATION AND THEN THE TWO WELLS RIGHT NOW IN THAT $11 MILLION, HOW MUCH OF THAT GOES TO, I'M ASSUMING THE KEEP EXISTING IRRIGATION IS TO ACTUALLY REBUILD THE, THE EXISTING IRRIGATION? YES, IT IS TO REBUILD THE IRRIGATION. WHAT'S THAT COST PER POINT? UM, I BELIEVE WE HAD $3 MILLION PUT IN THERE AS A PLACEHOLDER, BUT THAT, THAT NUMBER'S TWO TO THREE YEARS OLD NOW. SO THAT WOULD NEED TO BE UPDATED IF WE WANTED TO KEEP IT. I WOULD, I WOULD GET BETTER, UH, NUMBERS FOR THIS NEXT FISCAL BUDGET. AND THEN ALTERNATIVE TWO IS ABANDON THE ACRES. IS THERE A COST FOR ABANDONING IT? UM, THERE IS, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE CIP. UM, IT WOULD JUST BE LESS THAN IT WOULD BE REMOVAL. YEAH, I MEAN IT WOULD BE MINIMAL. AND THEN, SO THAT'S MINIMAL. SO THE TWO ADDITIONAL WELLS, SO ALTERNATIVE TWO IS FOUR WELLS, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, UP TO FOUR ADDITIONAL WELLS. SO WE HAVE TWO EXISTING TWO TO ABANDON 200 IRRIGATION ACRES OF IRRIGATION, WE WOULD NEED TWO WELLS TO REPLACE THAT IRRIGATION. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL TWO MORE WELLS AFTER THAT. UP TWO, WE, BUT WE MIGHT GET AWAY WITH ONE. WE MIGHT GET AWAY WITH ANOTHER TWO DEPENDING ON, UM, NEEDED CAPACITY FOR BUILD OUT. ALRIGHT. SO THAT I THINK GETS TO THE SOURCE OF WHERE MY BRAIN KEEPS TRIPPING HERE. ALTERNATIVE ONE, WE KEEP THE IRRIGATION, BUT WE STILL NEED TWO WELLS. CORRECT. FOR CAPACITY. THAT'S THE, OKAY, SO IN THE WORDS THAT WE'RE USING ADD TWO NEW RECHARGE WELLS, WHICH IS ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE TOO. THAT'S, THAT'S FOR FUTURE CAPACITY, CORRECT. ALTERNATIVE TWO NEEDS TWO NEW WELLS, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE SAME NEW WELLS BECAUSE THAT'S NOW TO TAKE UP FOR THE IRRIGATION. AND THEN TWO OTHER WELLS, WHICH WE CALLED NEW, BUT NOW ARE NEW, NEW . RIGHT. SO FOUR UP TO FOUR NEW WELLS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GONNA SWITCH GEARS FROM EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT BACK TO THE DALE'S LAND. SO AT OUR LAST MEETING IN JULY, COUNCIL HAD DIRECTED STAFF TO, UM, DO SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT OF THE DELLS AND ALSO EVALUATE THE SOIL FOR ITS SUITABILITY FOR, FOR CONSTRUCTION OF BUILDINGS. UM, SO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, WE SAMPLED, UH, THE SOIL SAMPLES WERE TESTED FOR A PRESENCE OF 37 SPECIFIC CONTAMINANTS, INCLUDING FECAL COLIFORM, PH, TOTAL METAL METALS, ORGAN CHLORIDE, PESTICIDES, AND HEXAVALENT CHROMIUM. UM, THE RESULTS OF THE, THE ASSESSMENT SHOW THAT THERE IS LITTLE TO NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT EXCEEDING ANY STANDARDS, UM, THAT ARE, ARE ESTABLISHED. ARSENIC WAS HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL EPA STANDARD, BUT IT DID FALL WITHIN ACCEPTABLE ARIZONA BACKGROUND METAL CONCENTRATIONS, WHICH ARE, IT'S A, IT'S A HIGHER RANGE THAT'S ALLOWABLE BECAUSE OF OUR NATURALLY OCCURRING ARSENIC IN THE AREA. UM, THE, THE REPORT SAID THAT NO ADDITIONAL ASSESSMENTS WERE RECOMMENDED, AND THEN WE ALSO COMPLETED A PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT, WHICH REVEALED NO EVIDENCE OF RECOGNIZED ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS. AND THEN MOVING ON TO OUR GEOTECHNICAL EVALUATION, UM, THIS WAS EVALUATING THE SOIL FOR SUITABILITY FOR BUILDINGS, ROADS, INFRASTRUCTURE, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. THE SAMPLING ON THE, YOU TALKED ABOUT ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY DONE IN AREAS WHERE WE WERE SPRAYING EFFLUENT. YES. IT'S ON THE 200 ACRES OF THE DELL'S LAND. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, AND MOST OF IT, AND THEN WE HAD A, WE HAD ONE SAMPLE THAT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE IRRIGATION AREA TO COMPARE WITH NON-ED AREAS TO, TO THE IRRIGATED AREAS. UM, OKAY. SO THE SOIL CONDITIONS WERE DETERMINED TO BE SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT. UM, IN ADDITION, WE CAN, ANY EXCAVATED SOILS COULD BE USED AS ENGINEERED FIELDS, SO WE WOULDN'T NEED TO BRING IN, UM, CLEAN FILL FOR THE, THE AREA. UM, THE REPORT WENT ON TO RECOMMEND, RECOMMEND, UM, PERCENT COMPACTION FOR BUILDINGS, FOR ROADS, UH, WHAT TYPE OF FOUNDATIONS WOULD WORK BEST IN THE AREA, ET CETERA. ANY QUESTIONS ON ON THE RESULTS OF THAT? SORRY, GO AHEAD. YOU SAID YOU TOOK A SAMPLING WHERE AWAY FROM WHERE WE WERE SPRAYING, WAS THERE REALLY ANY NOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE IN THE RESULTS OR, UH, I WOULD HAVE TO, I DO NOT THINK SO. OKAY. I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE REPORT. JUST MORBID CURIOSITY. IT, IT, YEAH. I'M SORRY. I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. [03:50:02] OKAY. SO LOOKING AT, SO BRIAN, QUESTION, SO ROXANNE, CAN I PLAY CAPTAIN OBVIOUS HERE AND UH, JUST ASK YOU TO CONFIRM THAT THE RESULT OF THESE TWO STUDIES ARE NO REMEDIATION REQUIRED AND NO ISSUES WITH CHOOSING TO BUILD ON THAT LAND? CORRECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF I COULD JUST MAKE A COMMENT. THANK YOU FOR DOING IT. I KNOW THIS WAS SOMETHING I WAS REALLY PUSHING THE COUNCIL TO DO BECAUSE THE LAST THING I WOULD WANNA DO IS BUILD LOVE CANAL, SEDONA . OKAY. UM, SO MOVING ON TO WHAT, HOW WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT STRATEGY. SO I MENTIONED THAT WE DID AN ALT, UH, AN EVALUATION OF ALL THOSE ALTERNATIVES WHEN WE DID THAT EVALUATION. UH, IT WAS FOCUSED ON BENEFICIAL DISPOSAL ONLY. SO HOW IS IT GONNA BENEFIT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IN DISPOSING OF OUR AFFLUENT EACH AND EVERY DAY? UM, AND THAT, THAT IS JUST THE IRRIGATION RECHARGE QUESTION. UM, BUT THEN THE QUESTION BECAME HOW DO WE BALANCE DISPOSAL WITH LONG-TERM WATER SUPPLY? AND TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO INCORPORATE RECOVERY OF OUR RECHARGED WATER OR MOVE TOWARDS SOMETHING, UH, LIKE A WP. SO IT'S A, IT'S A BALANCE OF THE TWO. UM, OUR RECHARGE WELLS ARE DISPOSAL FOCUSED. THEY WERE RANKED HIGHEST IN OUR EVALUATION. IT ADDED UP TO FOUR ADDITIONAL RECHARGE WELLS ALLOWS FOR THE ABANDONMENT OF IRRIGATION, WHICH BENEFITS THE WASTEWATER PLANT BECAUSE, UM, IRRIGATION IS NOT A RELIABLE YEAR ROUND, UH, SOURCE OF DISPOSAL. IT, IT VARIES DEPENDING ON SEASONS AND WEATHER AND PRECIPITATION. UM, AND THEN THIS ALSO SHADOWS OUR 2013 EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH WE'VE HAD IN PLACE FOR OVER 10 YEARS NOW. SO IT WAS INTERESTING THAT THAT DID SCORE THE HIGHEST. UM, IF WE WANTED TO CONSIDER, UM, INCORPORATING AN ASSURED WATER SUPPLY WITH THIS PLAN, UM, WHICH WAS NOT CONSIDERED IN OUR RANKING, IT WOULD ALLOW FOR LONG-TERM WATER SUPPLY. UM, AND WHAT THAT WOULD ENTAIL IS A RECOVERY WELL TO EXTRACT THE WATER FROM THE AQUIFER THAT WE ARE HAVE RECHARGED. UM, THERE'S SOME CONSIDERATIONS WITH THAT IN TERMS OF TREATMENT AND ADDITIONAL TREATMENT THAT MAY BE REQUIRED AND PERMITTING AND WHETHER WE LOCATE THESE WELLS IN FRACTURED BEDROCK OR MORE OF AN ALLUVIAL AQUIFER, WHICH I WILL GET TO LATER IN THE PRESENTATION AS WELL. UM, SO THE LOCATION OF THOSE WELLS, AND THEN ALSO A DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM TO RETURN THAT POTABLE WATER TO THE SUPPLY SYSTEM. UM, ALTERNATIVE FIVE WOULD BE ADVANCED WATER PURIFICATION. IT DID RANK THIRD. IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR THE ABANDONMENT OF IRRIGATION IN THE FUTURE. UM, BUT IT DOES HAVE A REALLY LONG IMPLEMENTATION TIMELINE. SO, UM, WE WOULD BE STUCK WITH OUR IRRIGATION FOR QUITE SOME TIME. UM, THERE'S EXTENSIVE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS WITH THAT, WHICH IS WHAT ADDS TO THE IMPLEMENTATION TIMELINE. AND THEN THIS MAP JUST SHOWS THAT THERE'S, THERE'S PENDING A WP OR IMPLEMENTED A WP, UM, PERMITS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. SO IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT ARIZONA IS LOOKING AT, IT'S, IT'S AROUND MAJORITY OF THE UNITED STATES. ROXANNE, WHO HAS TO APPROVE THAT? A DEQ AND EPAA. JUST A DEQ. OKAY, THANKS. ALL RIGHT. SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO TERRY SUE WHO'S GONNA TALK ABOUT THEIR, UH, WATER SYSTEM AND, AND LONG-TERM PLANS FOR THAT. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU ROXANNE. AND, UH, I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION THAT I PERSONALLY HAD A GIG AT RED ROCK, UH, AMPHITHEATER. SO ON MAY 28TH, 1982, I GRADUATED FROM GREEN MOUNTAIN HIGH SCHOOL, ONE OF THE FEW HIGH SCHOOLS THAT, UH, GRADUATED FROM RED ROCK AMPHITHEATER. 'CAUSE I LIVED NEARBY THERE. SO I CAN TELL YOU, IT'S AN AMAZING, IT'S AN AMAZING VENUE. I SAW MY FIRST CONCERT THERE AND WHEN I WAS 14 YEARS OLD, IT'S AMAZING, , BUT IT'S, UH, IT WAS BUILT DURING THE DEPRESSION. JUST I AM . SO, UM, ALL RIGHT. SO I'M JUST GONNA ANCHOR OURSELVES BACK IN THE WATER RESOURCE STRATEGY. SO, BACK IN, UH, THE EARLY PART OF 2023, WE BEGAN WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF. UH, WE MEET ONCE A QUARTER. INITIALLY, WE WERE MEETING MUCH MORE FREQUENTLY THAN THAT, BUT NOWADAYS WE MEET ABOUT ONCE A QUARTER. THIS IS THE OBJECTIVE AND THE STRATEGY THAT WE DEVELOPED BACK IN THAT TIMEFRAME. SO WHAT WE WANNA DO IS CREATE AND MANAGE A AND PROTECT A SUSTAINABLE WATER SUPPLY, UM, FOR ALL WHO LIVE, ALL WHO VISIT, AND ALL WHO DO BUSINESS HERE IN SEDONA. THESE ARE OUR CONSTITUENTS, OUR BUSINESSES, OUR VISITORS, AND OUR CUSTOMERS. UM, AND SO WHEN WE SAY WE, UH, WE MEAN WE, SO THERE ISN'T A WATER SUPPLY THAT'S, UH, FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. THERE ISN'T [03:55:01] A WATER SUPPLY THAT'S FOR ARIZONA WATER COMPANY. IT'S FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, THE PEOPLE WHO DO BUSINESS HERE, AND THE PEOPLE WHO VISIT. UM, AND SO OUR STRATEGY IS TO PRESERVE OUR EXISTING WATER RESOURCES, ALL THE ASSETS THAT WE HAVE, INCLUDING EFFLUENT AND GROUNDWATER. WE WANNA USE ALL THOSE WATER SUPPLIES AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. WE WANNA MITIGATE THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH THE GENERAL STREAM ADJUDICATION, WHICH WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT. AND WE WANNA MAKE SMART DECISIONS ABOUT GROWTH. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF OUR STRATEGIES. SO SOME JUST KIND OF A BASIC CONCEPT OF HOW WE VIEW WATER RESOURCE PLANNING. SO WHEN WE DO WATER RESOURCES PLANNING, WE BEGIN BY DEVELOPING DEMAND PROJECTIONS, WHICH WE'VE WORKED WITH YOUR STAFF NOW FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS TO BUILD SOME, UH, SOLID WATER DEMAND PROJECTIONS. AND THEN WE LOOK AT THE WATER SUPPLIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE, AND WE DETERMINE WHETHER THESE SUPPLIES ARE PHYSICALLY AVAILABLE AND IF THERE ARE ANY THREATS TO THOSE WATER SUPPLIES. AND THEN WE COMPARE THE SUPPLIES AND THE DEMANDS, AND THEN WE DECIDE WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE. SO AT A HIGH LEVEL, THAT'S WHAT WATER RESOURCE PLANNING IS ABOUT. ACTUALLY NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN RETIREMENT PLANNING. UM, SO THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE, THE, ONE OF THE VERY FIRST QUESTIONS THAT THE STAFF ASKED US WAS, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH GROUNDWATER IN OUR AQUIFERS TO MEET OUR CURRENT DEMANDS? SO, OVER TO THE LEFT, YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF WHAT OUR DEMANDS ARE. YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE RELATIVELY STABLE. UM, WE USE ABOUT 2.7 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, 3000 ACRE FEET A YEAR. AN ACRE FOOT IS, UH, IS A, UM, LIKE IF YOU HAD A FOOTBALL FIELD AND YOU PUT A A, A FOOT OF WATER IN IT, THAT'S WHAT ABOUT AN ACRE FOOT IS, IT PROBABLY SERVES ROUGHLY THREE TO FOUR HOUSES A YEAR. SO WE, WE SET OUT TO ANSWER THIS FIRST QUESTION, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER? AND SO WE PRESENTED SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE WATER LEVELS AND, UH, THE WATER LEVELS IN THE SEDONA AREA ARE HAVE PRO PROVEN TO BE VERY, UH, STABLE OVER TIME. BOTH ANDY AND JOHN CAN ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. WE'VE, THIS IS INFORMATION THAT WE'VE PREVENT, UH, PRESENTED TO YOU IN THE PAST. AND THE WATER TABLES CONTINUE TO REMAIN STABLE. WE MEASURE THEM A COUPLE OF TIMES A YEAR, AND THEY CONTINUE TO REMAIN STABLE. UM, AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION WE ASKED, OR THE CITY ASKED WAS, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH GROUNDWATER IN OUR AQUIFERS TO MEET OUR CURRENT AND OUR FUTURE DEMANDS FOR 100 YEARS, MEANING AN ASSURED WATER SUPPLY? SO THIS THEN TOOK US INTO THE WORLD OF PROJECTIONS AND GROUNDWATER MODELING. AND SO WE SET OUT TO DO THAT KIND OF, UH, ACTIVITY. SO WE, WE DID AN INITIAL DEMAND PROJECTION THAT WAS VERY, UH, HIGH LEVEL. IT WAS ONLY OUT TO 2030. AND THEN, UH, THE FOLLOWING, UM, LIKE IN 24 AND 25, WE SET OUT TO DO A MORE, UH, SOPHISTICATED ANALYSIS, WHICH INCLUDED US GOING DOWN TO EACH PARCEL, FINDING EVERY SINGLE PARCEL THAT WAS VACANT. WE WORKED WITH YOUR STAFF TO FIGURE OUT DEMAND PROJECTIONS FOR EACH OF THOSE VACANT PARCELS, INCLUDING, INCLUDING, UM, THE DELLS AND INCLUDING, UH, THE CULTURAL PARK AREA AND SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE, UH, MORE, UM, WITHIN THE EXISTING AREAS. SO WE CAME UP WITH SOME DEMAND ESTIMATES, AND A BUILD OUT DEMAND FOR THAT WAS ABOUT 4,360 ACRE FEET, 61 ACRE FEET. AND THAT INCLUDES LOST AND UNACCOUNTED FOR WATER. SO BASED ON OUR CURRENT DEMANDS, WHICH ARE ROUGHLY AROUND 3,500 ACRE FEET, THE MODELING PERIOD THAT WE WORKED ON WAS A A HUNDRED YEAR MODELING PERIOD. AND IT WENT FROM 2025 ROUGHLY TO 2125 BUILD OUT DEMAND IS, IS, UM, PREDICTED AT AROUND 2056. AND WE WORKED WITH YOUR STAFF ON ALL OF THIS INFORMATION. UH, WE ENDED UP DOING FOUR DIFFERENT MODELING SCENARIOS. WE STARTED OFF WITH THREE, AND ONE OF THEM INCLUDED, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE ANY EFFLUENT, REUSE, WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE ANY CONSERVATION. AND THEN THE, THE THIRD, UH, ITEM WAS WHETHER WAS CLIMATE CHANGE. THE FIRST THREE SCENARIOS DID NOT INCLUDE CLIMATE CHANGE. SO WE HAD ONE THAT WAS NO EFFLUENT REUSE, NO CONSERVATION, AND OBVIOUSLY NO CLIMATE CHANGE. 'CAUSE THE FIRST ROUND, WE DIDN'T DO ANY CLIMATE CHANGE. THE SECOND ONE WAS NO EFFLUENT REUSE CONSERVATION AT THE RATE OF ABOUT 20%. AND AGAIN, NO CLIMATE CHANGE. THE LAST ONE WE DID IN THE FIRST YEAR WAS A SCENARIO THREE. AND THAT ASSUMED EFFLUENT REUSE OF 33% OF THE SUPPLY, 20% CONSERVATION. AND AGAIN, NO CLIMATE CHANGE. WE THEN TOOK THE FIRST SCENARIO, WHICH WAS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, AND WE DID THE CLIMATE CHANGE SCENARIO ON TOP OF THAT. SO THERE WAS NO EFFLUENT, REUSE, NO CONSERVATION, AND THERE WAS CLIMATE CHANGE. SO NUMBER FOUR IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, AND NUMBER ONE IS THE BEST, [04:00:01] UH, IS THE, UH, AND NUMBER THREE IS THE BEST CASE SCENARIO IN TERMS OF THE MODELING. AND THERE WAS, UH, AND THOSE ARE THE DEMANDS THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT. SO THEN WE'RE GONNA GO AND, SORRY, QUESTION. OH, OKAY. TERRY, SUE, YOU'VE GOT THE SAME NET RESULT FOR SCENARIO ONE AND FOUR. YEAH. SO THOSE ARE THE DEMANDS. SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S NOT THE RESULT OF THE MODELING. THOSE ARE JUST THE DEMANDS OF THE, THE BUILD OUT DEMAND FOR SEDONA. SO THAT'S THE 4,361 ACRE FEET OF PROJECTED DEMAND. SO CLIMATE CHANGE DOESN'T AFFECT DEMAND. IT ONLY AFFECTS SUPPLY. IS THAT THE, SO, SO THE WAY THAT THE CLIMATE CHANGE ANALYSIS WORKS IS BASED ON AN ASSUMPTION THAT THE CLIMATE CHANGE. NOW WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY GONNA START AGAIN. THIS, I, I CALLED MY MODELER EARLIER AND I SAID, WHAT IF THEY ASK A QUESTION ABOUT MODELING ? AND SO I'M GONNA, I'M JUST GONNA GIVE MY MY HIGH LEVEL ANSWER TO THAT, WHICH IS WE ASSUME A CERTAIN AMOUNT MORE OF GROUNDWATER PUMPING DURING, UM, UH, AS A RESULT OF CLIMATE CHANGE BECAUSE IT'S DRIER AND FOLKS ARE USING MORE WATER, BUT THE DEMAND REMAINS THE SAME. WHAT I CAN'T TELL YOU IS HOW MUCH MORE WE ASSUME WILL BE USED ABOVE AND BEYOND THE DEMAND. OKAY. AND SO, AND THE IDEA IS THAT THERE IS THE, THERE'S LESS, UM, THERE'S LESS PRECIPITATION, SO THERE'S LESS WATER GOING INTO THE GROUNDWATER TABLE. AND, UM, AND CONSEQUENTLY THE RESULT WOULD BE MORE OF AN IMPACT, PRESUMABLY IN THE MODEL. SO IT'D BE MORE GROUNDWATER USED. BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS HAVE NATHAN ACTUALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION, AND I'LL SEND IT TO YOU . AND IF, IF I MAY ADD COUNCILLOR FOLTZ. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UH, AND THE CP W AND THE MODELING WORK THAT WE'VE DONE THERE, UH, ALSO HAS STRUGGLED WITH THE, WHAT INPUT PUT INTO THE MODEL FOR THAT QUESTION. AND I CAN'T ANSWER IT EXACTLY. I KNOW THAT, WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT NATHAN HAS DONE THE MODELING WORK FOR CP WC AND FOR ARIZONA WATER, AND THEY USE THE SAME ASSUMPTIONS. AND SO THEY'RE, YEAH, THE ASSUMPTIONS ARE THE SAME. THEY'RE PRETTY, THEY'RE THE, THEY'RE THE STANDARD ACCEPTED ASSUMPTIONS, WHATEVER THEY ARE NOW, THEY WERE, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GUESSING AT WHAT THOSE REALLY ARE. IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT SIGNS YET. YEAH. BUT I WILL HAVE NATHAN PUT TOGETHER AN ANSWER AND SEND IT TO YOU ALL, SO THAT YOU GET IT FROM THE, THE GROUNDWATER MODELING HYDROLOGIST EXTRAORDINAIRE. UM, ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S LOOK AT THE SCENARIO RESULTS THEMSELVES. SO WE LOOKED AT THREE DIFFERENT WELLS, TWO OF WHICH ARE IN THE SEDONA AREA, AND ONE IS ONE WHICH IS IN THE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK. UM, YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT OUR PARTNERSHIP INCLUDES THE BIG PARK WATER COMPANY AS WELL. UH, SO THE FIRST ONE IS SEDONA, WELL, EIGHT, WHICH IS CIRCLED OVER THERE IN THE LEFT. AND THEN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DIFFERENCE SCENARIOS RANGES FROM UNDER THE SCENARIO WITH CONSERVATION AND EFFLUENT. THE WATER TABLE ACTUALLY INCREASED BY 23 FEET ON THE SCENARIO, WHICH WAS, UH, CONSERVATION ONLY. IT DECREASED BY 50 FEET. AND ON THE SCENARIO, THAT INCLUDED NO CONSERVATION AND NO EFFLUENT. THE WATER TABLE DROPPED BY ABOUT 95 TO 96 FEET. UH, NOT A LOT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, UH, NOT A LOT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CLIMATE CHANGE VERSION AND THE GROUNDWATER ONLY VERSION. SO THE WATER, THE CLIMATE CHANGE DIDN'T SHOW THAT BIG OF AN IMPACT ON THAT PARTICULAR, WELL, ON THE NEXT ONE, WHICH IS SEDONA, WELL, NUMBER NINE, THAT ONE SHOWED, UH, AN 82 FOOT DECREASE FOR CONSERVATION EFFLUENCE. THAT'S UNDER THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. AND IT, IT SHOWED 101 FOOT ELEVATION CHANGE UNDER, UM, UNDER CONSERVATION ONLY. AND THEN UNDER CLIMATE CHANGE, WITH CLIMATE CHANGE, IT WAS 111 TO 113 FEET. SO STILL, AGAIN, BETWEEN THE DOING NOTHING AND THE CLIMATE CHANGE, THERE WAS NOT A BIG DIFFERENCE. BUT THE RANGE WAS ABOUT 82 FEET TO 113 FEET IN THAT PARTICULAR, WELL, UM, SOMETHING YOU'LL NOTE IS THAT THE WATER LEVELS STILL WERE RELATIVELY HIGH AT THE END OF THAT PERIOD. SO UNDER THE CLIMATE CHANGE, THEY WERE AT 454 FEET. I, I PROBABLY HAVE SAID ACRE FEET ALONG THE WAY, I MEAN FEET. AND IN THE LAST ONE, WHICH IS OUT IN VALLEY, UH, WHAT WE CALL VALLEY VISTA, BUT IN, UH, THE VILLAGE, THE RANGE WAS FROM 149 ON THE BEST CASE SCENARIO TO ABOUT 200 TO 203. SO CLIMATE CHANGE DIDN'T SHOW A LOT OF DIFFERENCE. THESE ARE THE SAME SCENARIO RESULTS THAT WE SHOWED YOU IN OCTOBER. [04:05:02] UM, SO THE BOTTOM LINE ON ALL THE MODELING WAS THAT THE, THE WATER LEVELS DROPPED TO, DEPENDING ON THE, WELL, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 420 TO 790 FEET. AND, BUT THAT IS WELL ABOVE THE, UM, THE, THE AMOUNT OF THE WATER LEVELS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE UNDER THE ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY PROGRAM WITH THE STATE, WHICH IS 1200 FEET. SO WE'RE STILL WELL WITHIN PROVIDING A, UH, AN ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY. AND AGAIN, THIS IS OVER A 100 YEAR PERIOD. IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF LOSS. WELL, THIS, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, THESE NUMBERS HERE, IT'S NOT 420 FEET. THAT'S WHERE THE WATER LEVELS ARE AT, AT THE END OF THAT TIMEFRAME. YEAH. THE ACTUAL CHANGE IS NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT. GOT IT. SO, AND THEN TERRY, SUE, THAT LAST STATEMENT THERE MEETS THE CURRENT ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY WITHOUT EFFLUENT USE. IS THAT JUST WITH THE GROUNDWATER? ALL, ALL OF THE SCENARIOS? ALL THE SCENARIOS. SO ALL THE SCENARIOS, EVEN IF WE DIDN'T USE EFFLUENT, IT'S STILL, WE'RE KIND OF THINKING THAT WE'RE AT THE ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY. YES. YEP. YES, WE ARE ABLE TO, THE, WE BELIEVE THAT THE WATER WILL BE PHYSICALLY AVAILABLE UNDER ANY OF THOSE SCENARIOS, INCLUDING THE WORST CASE SCENARIO WITH CLIMATE CHANGE. ANOTHER CAPTAIN OBVIOUS MOMENT HERE. SO LAST NIGHT WE WERE DOING, UH, EVALUATING THE POTENTIAL REZONING, AND IT WAS FOR POTENTIALLY HIGH DENSITY HOUSING, WHICH, WHICH THEORETICALLY WOULD BE INCORPORATED IN HERE AS PART OF BUILD OUT. AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THE COMMUNITY WERE, OH, YOU HAVEN'T EVALUATED WHETHER WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER, SEWER, ELECTRICITY. MM-HMM . YOUR ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES. YES, WE HAVE DONE THAT ANALYSIS. NOW WHAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IS WHAT IF SCENARIOS, WHICH ARE EXACTLY THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU SHOULD BE ASKING. AND WE HAVE THE MODELING TOOL TO ADD THOSE INTO THE MODEL AND TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE RESULT WOULD BE LIKE IF YOU'RE, IF YOUR DEMAND INCREASED BY 20%, WE CAN PUT THAT INTO THE MODEL AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT KIND OF AN IMPACT THAT WOULD BE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE, WE ULTIMATELY ANSWERED THE QUESTION OF ARE SUPPLIES PHYSICALLY AVAILABLE, WHICH I THINK GETS TO COUNSELOR, COUNSELOR FURMAN'S QUESTION, WHICH THE ANSWER TO THAT WAS YES. SO THEN THE SECOND QUESTION BECOMES, ARE THERE ANY THREATS TO THOSE WATER SUPPLIES? AND THIS IS WHEN, UH, WE START TO TALK ABOUT THE ADJUDICATION RISK. SO THERE'S NOT A PHYSICAL AVAILABILITY, BUT AS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST WITH THE ADJUDICATION, THERE IS A POTENTIAL LEGAL THREAT TO THE WATER SUPPLY. SO JUST A REMINDER, THE ADJUDICATION IS REALLY JUST A GIGANTIC CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT. BUT INSTEAD OF YOU, YOU KNOW, TAKING SOME MEDICINE THAT HAS MADE YOU SICK, UH, IT'S A PROCEEDING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE WATER RIGHTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH EVERYBODY WHO CLAIMS TO HAVE A WATER. RIGHT? SO THE VOLUME, AND WHEN IN TIME YOU STARTED USING THAT, RIGHT? SURFACE WATER IS GOVERNED BY WHAT WE CALL PRIOR APPROPRIATION. SO THE EARLIER YOU'VE USED THAT WATER SUPPLY, THE HIGHER WATER, RIGHT? YOU HAVE, AND THEN GROUNDWATER IS MANAGED BY REASONABLE USE. SO THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT DOCTRINES. SO THE ADJUDICATION IS ABOUT FIGURING OUT HOW MUCH WATER DO YOU USE? AND IN THAT LINE OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE WHO HAVE CLAIMS, WHERE DO YOU FALL IN THAT LINE? AND WHEN THE WATER SUPPLY IS REDUCED, THEN THE FURTHER YOU ARE DOWN THE LIST, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A, A RIGHT TO USE THAT WATER. EVERYBODY ABOVE YOU WOULD, THE WAY, THE REASON THAT GROUNDWATER COMES INTO THE PICTURE IS BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED A SUBFLOW ZONE. SO YOU MIGHT IMAGINE JUST LIKE LIFE, THAT THINGS GET COMPLICATED. AND SO THEY'VE DETERMINED THAT IF YOU HAVE A WELL, AND YOU ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE SUBFLOW ZONE, AND BY THEY, I MEAN THE COURT, AND THESE ADJUDICATION PROCEEDINGS HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES, BY THE WAY, SINCE THE SEVENTIES. AND SO IF YOU HAVE A WELL THAT IS LOCATED, UH, IN THE SUBFLOW ZONE, OR IF YOU HAVE A WELL THAT WILL IMPACT THE SUBFLOW ZONE, THEN YOU ARE GOING TO BECOME A PART OF THE ADJUDICATION PROCESS. AND THE YELLOW AREA THAT YOU SEE UP THERE IS THE AREA THAT'S BEEN DEFINED, UM, BY THE DEPARTMENT. THAT'S KIND OF A DRAFT DEFINITION OF THE SUBFLOW. WE HAVE ONE WELL, IN THE SUBFLOW ZONE, WHICH WE VISITED ON OUR TOUR, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, THE REMAINDER OF OUR WELLS ARE LOCATED OUTSIDE, AND THREE OF WHICH TWO, 10 AND FOUR ARE RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THE SUBFLOW ZONE. UH, SO WE DON'T GET OUTTA THE ADJUDICATION BECAUSE WE'RE PUMPING GROUNDWATER. SO ESSENTIALLY THE ADJUDICATION IS A RISK, AND THAT'S BEEN THE RISK THAT WE ARE PLANNING AGAINST. [04:10:01] SO, UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND YEAH, I ON THAT TERRY SUE, AND AS YOU SAID, THERE'S, THIS ADJUDICATION HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES, AND THERE'S LIKE, IT'S A FULL EMPLOYMENT ACT FOR ATTORNEYS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THEIR CHILDREN, AND THEIR CHILDREN, AND THERE'S REALLY NO FORECAST OF WHEN IT'S GONNA BE RESOLVED IN OUR BASE AND ADJUDICATION EFFORT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S, YEAH, THERE'S, THEY'VE STARTED TO COME UP INTO THIS AREA, BUT IT'S VERY EARLY ON. UM, BUT THEY ARE VERY ACTIVE IN THE SAN PEDRO, AND A LOT OF THE PRECEDENT IS BEING SET IN THE, IN THE SAN PEDRO. NOW, TERRY SUE, I'VE HEARD, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER CONFIRMED IT. MAYBE YOU KNOW OR NOT, SOME OF THESE ADJUDICATIONS STARTED WAY BEFORE OUR STATE AND OUR BASINS HAVE IN OTHER STATES, AND THEY ACTUALLY HAD REACHED SOME ADJUDICATION. I'VE HEARD THOUGH, THAT EVEN WELLS THAT WERE IN ADJUDICATED ZONES IN THOSE AREAS, STILL NOTHING HAS CHANGED BECAUSE THE, THE REALITY OF CHA OF ABAN FORCING ABANDONMENT OF A PERFECTLY OPERATING WELL IS SUCH A MAJOR POLICY DECISION THAT EVEN THOUGH SOME ADJUDICATION HAS HAPPENED, THERE HASN'T BEEN MOVEMENT ON FORCING PEOPLE TO ABANDON THOSE WELLS. IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT? DO YOU KNOW? UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I COULD REALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT I WILL ASK OUR ATTORNEY, PHIL LONDON, WHAT HIS OPINION IS OF THAT. I THINK I HEARD THAT THROUGH SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD AT CP WAC OR NAMIR OR SOMEWHERE WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF ALL THE TIME, ROXANNE . AND I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT, BUT I'M REALLY CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER THAT WAS LORE, . I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, BUT I WILL ASK PHIL, WHO'S OUR ADJUDICATION ATTORNEY AND ASK HIM TO LOOK INTO THAT. THANK YOU. UM, I REALLY COULDN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION, SIR. TERRY, SUE, HAS ANYTHING CHANGED SINCE LAST YEAR WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT THIS AND ADJUDICATION WAS COMING OUR WAY? UM, ANYTHING HAPPENED? UH, SO, WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DEVELOPED WAS THAT SUBFLOW ZONE. SO THAT WAS A RELATIVELY NEW, UH, DEVELOPMENT. THERE WASN'T ONE HERE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING. UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE TESTS, ON THE SUBFLOW TESTS AND ON WHAT THEY CALL THE DEPLETION TESTS, WHICH ARE GONNA HELP YOU FIGURE OUT IF YOUR WELL IS IN OR IF IT'S OUT. UM, AND, AND THEY'VE ALSO DONE SOME STUFF RELATIVE TO, TO DI MINI MISUSES. SO THEY ARE ACTIVELY WORKING AT IT, BUT IT'S LIKE THIS AIRCRAFT CARRIER THAT MOVES AT GLACIAL PACE UNTIL YOU'RE IN THAT PROCEEDING. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THINGS ARE MOVING QUICKLY. UM, BUT NOTHING, NOTHING'S NOTHING THAT WE FEEL NOTHING HAS HAPPENED HERE THAT WE FEEL THAT, UM, WOULD RISE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO TAKING ON A STRONG DEFENSE. UM, WE ARE INVOLVED IN THE MODELING, UM, AND WE, WE TALK TO THE STAFF ON A REGULAR BASIS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THINGS ARE GOING ON, BUT IT'S, WE'RE NOT IN FULL SWING YET UP HERE. CAN I JUST RESPOND, PETE? UM, THERE'S A WIDE GULF BETWEEN GETTING A JUDGMENT AND ENFORCING IT. YEAH. SO I THINK, YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL, BUT I THINK THAT I'VE HEARD, AND I APPRECIATE TERRY SUE, IF YOU COULD REALLY GET SOME FEEDBACK. I'VE HEARD THAT THIS HAS BEEN AN EXCEPTIONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME, EVEN FROM YEAH. LOOKS LIKE KURT'S GOT SOMETHING TO NO, I, I FEEL LIKE I'VE, I'VE HEARD THAT A FEW LARGE COMMERCIAL WELLS HAVE BEEN AT LEAST SEVERELY, YOU KNOW, REDUCED IN THE AMOUNT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO PUMP, UM, AS A RESULT OF ADJUDICATION, BUT CORRECT. NO, LIKE INDIVIDUAL, UM, PRIVATE USES OR, UH, MUNICIPAL USES. HAVEN'T HEARD OF MUNICIPAL USES YET EITHER, BUT I'D HAVE TO CHECK TOO, TO BE SURE. YEAH, THAT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW THAT FOR SURE. I'LL, I'LL ASK PHIL TO BRIEF US ON THAT. THANK YOU. SO, UM, SO THIS IS AT THE VERY FIRST COUNCIL MEETING WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN 2023. WE SHOWED YOU THIS SUPPLY AND DEMAND. WELL, THIS WAS OUR REALITY. AND AGAIN, WHEN I SAY OUR, I DON'T MEAN ARIZONA WATER COMPANY. I MEAN THE CITY OF SEDONA, I MEAN ARIZONA WATER COMPANY, AND I'M, AND I MEAN THE CONSTITUENTS AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND WORK HERE. UM, AND SO THESE WERE, THIS WAS THE, THE DEMAND PROJECTIONS THAT WE DID AT THE TIME. THESE WERE QUICK AND DIRTY OUT TO 2030. WE WERE 100% DEPENDENT ON GROUNDWATER, AND THAT WAS OUR REALITY. THE NEXT SLIDE WE SHOWED YOU GUYS WOULD'VE BEEN AT THE OCTOBER, I THINK WE ACTUALLY DID ONE IN 2024 TOO. BUT THIS IS THE ONE WE SHOWED YOU, UM, IN THE COUNCIL PRESENTATION, AND THAT YOU ALL ASKED US TO RE REVISE. THIS ONE IS BASED ON THE MORE SOPHISTICATED DEMAND PROJECTIONS, THE FOUR, 4,360 ACRE FEET. UM, THIS ONE, UH, UM, ASSUMED THE IDEA BEHIND THIS SLIDE WAS TO SHOW HOW WE'RE GONNA NARROW THE RISK FROM THE 4,360 DOWN TO SOMETHING LESS. WHAT WAS THE, THE, THE LESS NUMBER, WHICH IN THIS CASE WAS 2200. [04:15:01] WE REVISED THIS SLIDE BASED ON YOUR DIRECTION, AND WE CAME UP WITH THIS SLIDE HERE. SO, AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE IDEA OF WHEN WE WOULD BE, IF WE'RE GONNA BE DOING SOME DIRECT USE OF IT, THAT PRESUMABLY THERE, THAT WOULD TAKE SOME TIME TO ACTUALLY PUT THE EFFLUENT TO DIRECT USE. WE ALSO SLOWED DOWN THE CURVE ON HOW FAST WE WILL BE REDUCING THE DEMAND WITH THE RIPPLE EFFECT PROGRAM. UM, BUT THE SAME, THE SAME RISK IS STILL THERE. SO BY USING CONSERVATION, USING THE EFFLUENT, WE'VE REDUCED OUR RISK FROM 4,360 ACRE FEET DOWN TO ABOUT 2200 ACRE FEET. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE GAME IN THE ADJUDICATION IS JUST, IT'S ABOUT RISK AND REDUCING YOUR RISK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. UM, ALL RIGHT. AND THEN, LET'S SEE. WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. SO, UM, SO I THINK THEN THAT'S WHERE I THINK THAT, UH, THAT ROXANNE GOT TO THE POINT OF WHERE, YOU KNOW, OUR, THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU GUYS DID WAS STRICTLY ON DISPOSAL. AND WE WERE HAVING MORE AND MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT EFFLUENT AS A WATER SUPPLY AND, AND HEDGING OUR BETS AGAINST THE RISK OF THE ADJUDICATION. AND SO, WHAT DO WE HAVE GOING FOR US IN TERMS OF THE RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THE WATER SUPPLY? WE HAVE STABLE GROUNDWATER SYSTEM. WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT, UH, WE HAVE THE RIPPLE EFFECT DEMAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE SMART DECISIONS ABOUT OUR GROWTH, WHICH WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT EVEN TODAY. VERY INTERESTING. AND WE HAVE CURRENTLY UNUSED EFFLUENT. SO I THINK TODAY'S DISCUSSIONS ARE ABOUT HOW DO WE MEET THESE OBJECTIVES. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY SAFE TO SAY THAT WE ALL BELIEVE THAT THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY DESERVE TO HAVE AN ASSURED WATER SUPPLY INDEFINITELY. I THINK THAT'S ALL. WE ALL BELIEVE THAT. AND SO THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE BALANCE THE DISPOSAL OF THE EFFLUENT WITH, UH, WITH CREATING AN ASSURED WATER SUPPLY OR WITH AT LEAST PRESERVING THE ASSETS THAT WE HAVE UNTIL IT IS POSSIBLE TO PUT THEM TO USE FOR THE, THE WELLBEING. THE WELLBEING OF, OF THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY. IF, IF I COULD, TERRY SUE, I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE 37 RIGHT BEFORE THIS IS, AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING THOSE CHANGES. 'CAUSE NOW IT JUST LOGICALLY READS BETTER FOR ME. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I WANTED TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS AND MAKE SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT THIS SLIDE. AND THE FIRST PLACE THAT I'LL START, 'CAUSE I STILL SCRATCH MY HEAD ALL THE TIME ABOUT THIS. NOT THAT I WONDER, BUT IT'S ASTOUNDING TO ME THAT, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LEFT SIDE OF THE CHART IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY. AND THE DEMAND IS, YOU KNOW, 3,500 ACRE FEET, 3000 ACRE FEET, UH, 2.7 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. BUT ROXANNE TREATS A MILLION GALLONS A DAY. MM-HMM . 2.7 TIMES THE DIFFERENCE THAT WE'RE, THAT YOU GUYS PUMP THAT WE DON'T SEE. AND I JUST, I, THAT NUMBERS JUST ALWAYS ASTOUNDS ME THAT WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE, NOT, THE WATER ISN'T GETTING TO OUR TREATMENT PLANT. UM, ABOUT 40% OF THE CITY IS ON SEPTIC. YEAH. SO THAT ACCOUNTS FOR QUITE A BIT. YEAH. YEAH. SO EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ON SEPTIC THAT ARE OR ARE NOT, IT'S A WHOLE NOTHER MODELING EFFORT. AND WHO KNOWS, YOU KNOW, IN SOME DEGREE WHETHER THAT'S IMPACTING THE, THE WATER SYSTEM OR NOT AS WELL. YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE THE DATA, LOOK FOR POLLUTANTS. IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE, BUT YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS. BUT IT'S JUST 2.7 TIMES IS, OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, 2.5 TIMES YOU DEBATE THE NUMBERS. IT'S, IT'S ASTOUNDING TO ME. BUT WHAT I WANTED TO LOOK AT HERE, TERRY SUE, IS NOW THE BLACK VERTICAL LINE IS TODAY MOVING FORWARD, UH, YOU HAD A PREDICTION THAT USE WAS GONNA START INCREASING, WHICH IS PROBABLY A CONSERVATIVE, AND YOU SHOULD BE CONSERVATIVE 'CAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE DEMAND IS. BUT THE PAST HISTORY TELLS US IT HASN'T BEEN CHANGING THAT MUCH. AND OUR OWN WASTEWATER DATA SAYS IT HASN'T BEEN CHANGING THAT MUCH. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE THINK THAT IT, IT MIGHT BE INCREASING, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT SOMETHING IN THE MODEL AND IT'S, IT'S REASONABLE TO ASSUME SOME AMOUNT OF GROWTH. BUT YOUR HATCHED LINE THAT BRINGS THAT TOP RED BAR DOWN TO THE RED DASH BAR, THAT'S BEFORE THE ORANGE COMES INTO EFFECT IN THOSE YEARS FROM TODAY TO 2034, THAT'S RIPPLE EFFECT. AND THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING TO REDUCE SYSTEM LOSSES. YES. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT THAT, SO THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR, AND YOU'RE SAYING 20% CONSERVATION AND, AND IS THAT CALIBRATED FROM OTHER RIPPLE EFFECT EFFORTS THAT YOU'VE DONE ELSEWHERE? NO, THAT WAS JUST AN ASSUMPTION THAT WE MADE AS [04:20:01] A GROUP. UM, AND, UH, IT'S IN, IN OTHER COMMUNITIES IT'S DIFFERENT. THE COMMUNITY KIND OF SETS A TARGET. IS IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE SEEN. YEAH, YEAH. UM, 20% MAY BE, UH, TOO AGGRESSIVE, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, MAYBE IT'S NOT ENOUGH . YEAH. SO IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY WHAT WE WANT THAT NUMBER TO BE. SO ONE QUESTION OBSERVATION IS, THAT'S YOUR RIPPLE EFFECT PROGRAM, WHICH IS A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM. IT'S A GREAT EFFORT. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. IT'S THE RIGHT STEP TO DO ALL OF THIS STUFF ABOUT CONSERVATION IS A LONG-TERM EDUCATION PROJECT. WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH OUR RESIDENTS AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE UP HERE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WATER IS LIFE AND VALUABLE. AND THESE THINGS TAKE A LONG TIME. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY COOL ABOUT 20%, BUT IT'S A VOLUNTARY EFFORT. AND IF THE CITY STARTED GETTING MORE SERIOUS ABOUT CONSERVATION WITH THE VARIOUS ELEMENTS THAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS DO, AND YOU START OFF WITH CARROTS LATER ON, YOU GO TO STICKS, THAT NUMBER COULD GET BETTER. 20%, MAYBE 30%. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS? IT'S, IT'S A GUESS. AND MAYBE OTHER JURISDICTIONS COULD INFORM US ABOUT THE REAL RESULT OF THEIR EFFORTS AND THAT KIND OF THING. AND THAT MIGHT BE AN INTERESTING THING TO DO. BUT I'M STRUCK AT THAT DEMANDS YOUR STUDY WITH THE CONSERVATION JUST HOLDS DEMAND FLAT. MM-HMM . IT'S, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. YOU KNOW, AND I THINK TUCSON, THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER CITIES THAT INFORM US THAT THAT'S REALLY POSSIBLE. IT'S REALLY ACTUALLY POSSIBLE TO REDUCE DEMAND OVERALL BASED ON OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN. AND I THINK YOUR EXPERIENCE WOULD, WOULD SHOW THE SAME. AND SO TO ME, AND YOU KNOW, YOUR CONCLUSION THAT OUR GROUNDWATER SYSTEM IS STABLE, IT ALL, YOU KNOW, IS A, IT'S A NICE CALMING A THING. THIS, THIS ISN'T A HAIR ON FIRE SITUATION. RIGHT. UH, THE, THE, UH, ADJUDICATION IS CERTAINLY AN EVENT THAT COULD HAPPEN. NOBODY'S PREDICTING THAT IT'S GONNA BE SOON, BUT IT COULD BE . BUT NONETHELESS, OUR WITHDRAWAL FROM THE AQUIFER ISN'T CHANGING. REALLY. YEAH. AND YOUR DATA SHOWS THAT THIS, THE GROUNDWATER IS STABLE. AND, AND I WANTED TO JUST SHARE SOME ADDITIONAL DATA THAT BACKS THAT UP. OKAY. SO I WENT OFF, 'CAUSE THERE IS, I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS TOOL, UH, BEFORE AT COUNCIL MEETINGS AND, UH, ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY WORKING WITH A DWR HAS THIS THING CALLED THE ARIZONA BLUEPRINT. IT'S A COOL WEBSITE. YOU CAN GO AND ACTUALLY LOOK AT ALL THE SUB-BASINS AND BASINS IN THE STATE AND GET SOME DATA. YOU GUYS HAVE FIVE OR SIX, SEVEN WELLS, WHATEVER. WHAT'S THAT NUMBER? I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT ISS NO, THE NUMBER WELLS. SO YOU'RE, YEAH. YEP. THE, THE BLUEPRINT NUMBER, IF YOU LOOK AT A 20 YEAR RATE OF CHANGE FOR OUR SUB-BASIN, THIS IS THE VERDE RIVER SUB-BASIN, WHICH HAS IN THE 20 YEAR PERIOD OF DATA HAS 33 WELLS. SO IT'S A BIGGER SAMPLE, BUT IT'S THE VERDE VALLEY SUB-BASIN, WHICH KIND OF GOES TO COTTONWOOD, NOT TO CHINO, NOT UPPER VERDE, IT'S THE VERDE VALLEY BASIN. THE 20 YEAR RATE OF CHANGE WAS MINUS 0.02 FEET PER YEAR STABLE. SAME KIND OF NUMBERS THAT YOUR MODEL IS SHOWING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE 10 YEAR DATA, THERE'S MORE WELLS NOW 'CAUSE THERE'S MORE AND MORE WELLS GOING INTO THE SYSTEM. IT'S NOW 53 53 WELLS OF DATA THAT SHOWS MINUS 0.7 FEET PER YEAR OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS. ALSO VERY CONSISTENT WITH YOUR DATA. AND SO THAT ALSO MAKES ME FEEL A GOOD, ALTHOUGH WE MAY THINK THAT 0.7 SOUNDS A LOT, MAYBE PERHAPS STILL, I WILL TELL YOU THAT ON THE 10 YEAR RATE OF CHANGE, THERE ARE ONLY, THERE ARE, I'M GONNA, I DON'T, I DIDN'T WRITE THE NUMBER DOWN 35. THERE ARE SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF 50 SUBBASINS IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. DON'T HOLD THAT NUMBER EXACT. BUT THE VERDE VALLEY SUB-BASIN IS THE, THERE'S ONLY TWO SUBBASINS IN THE ENTIRE STATE THAT ARE IN BETTER SHAPE IN TERMS OF DECLINE IN THAT 10 YEAR, UH, BASE, UH, A 10 YEAR RATE, UH, 12 OR WORSE. AND ABOUT 35 OF 'EM ARE ABOUT THE SAME AS WE ARE THAT SAME, LESS THAN A FOOT. AND THEY RANK THESE IN SEVEN CATEGORIES, MINUS ONE TO ONE, ONE TO TWO, TWO TO THREE AND MORE THAN THREE, AND THEN NEGATIVE THE SAME WAY. SO THERE'S SEVEN CATEGORIES, AND WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AT ZERO AT AT STABLE. THE WORST BASIN IN THE STATE OF THE 10 YEAR DATA IS HELO BEND. AND THAT'S DROPPING AT FIVE FEET A YEAR, . SO [04:25:02] I THINK THAT JUST MAKES ME FEEL CONFIDENT AND COMFORTABLE. AND IT'S VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE MODELING DATA THAT WE GOT AT CP WAC AS WELL. WE'RE, WE'RE ALL THESE DIFFERENT EFFORTS ARE KIND OF SHOWING THE SAME THING. THAT OUR BASIN IS PRETTY GOOD. OUR DEMAND, ESPECIALLY WITH CONSERVATION, CAN BE FLAT. SO WE'RE NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT FUTURE GROWTH. AND SO I THINK THAT JUST FOR ME, IT TAKES A FEELING OF PRESSURE OFF THE SITUATION THAT WE NEED TO ACT FAST AND TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM NOW. BUT, UM, I DID WANNA ASK YOU, ROXANNE, THAT IF YOU ALSO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS KIND OF FLAT DEMAND CURVE FOR WASTE, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT, THE WASTEWATER THAT YOU DEAL WITH, THIS IS A PLOT OF WHAT THEY DELIVER. BUT HOW DO YOU FEEL RELATIVE TO THIS ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE? UM, SO OUR BUILD OUT YEAR, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT WAS LIKE 2087, IT WAS FURTHER OUT THAN THAT. UM, AND WE'VE REDUCED OUR, SO WE HAD A, WHEN WE, WHEN WE DID OUR LAST WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN, WE HAD A A 10 YEAR PROJECTION, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN 20, 25, 20 27. UM, WE HAD ESTIMATED LIKE 1.63 MGD OR 1.6 MGD. UM, AND, AND WE'RE STILL SITTING AT 1.2. SO, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR GROWTH IN TERMS OF FLUENT FLOW, AFFLUENT DISCHARGE IS NOT GROWING AS WE HAD ANTICIPATED. YEAH. UM, YEAH. AND WE SEE PROJECTS WANNA COME, YOU PUT IN YOUR PLAN AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO THINGS HERE IN SEDONA. SO IN TERMS OF THIS GRAPH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE YEAR MIGHT FLUCTUATE. UM, IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE A WP, IT WOULD IMMEDIATELY GO TO WHATEVER OUR FLOW IS AT THAT TIME. IF WE DID SOMETHING MORE LIKE RECHARGE RECOVERY WELLS, THAT WOULD BE A SLOWER PROCESS WHERE YOU BRING IT ON IN PHASES. UM, A WP BECAUSE OF THE COST, YOU'D PROBABLY JUST WANNA GO ALL OUT AND, AND DO IT ALL IN OR, OR ALL OUT ON A WP. BUT YOU HAD MENTIONED TO US BEFORE THOUGH AS WELL, THAT IF, IF CONSERVATION IS WORKING AND YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE REALLY KIND OF USING SOME WATER, BUT PEOPLE ARE CONSERVING SO THAT IT'S NOT, THE DEMAND IS KIND OF FLAT, BUT YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL COMPLICATION THAT CONCENTRATIONS OF THE STUFF GETS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AND YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. YEAH. BUT THAT'S NOT A CAPACITY ISSUE THROUGH THE PLANT. THAT'S A TREATMENT EFFECT. WHAT YOUR PROCESS, IT IS A CAPACITY BECAUSE BASICALLY IT TAKES LONGER TO TREAT IT. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE STORAGE AND, AND ADDITIONAL TIME TO MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO, OKAY. I THOUGHT I HAD ONE OTHER THING. I WANTED TO STAY ON THIS, BUT I THINK, YEAH, I, YOU KNOW THIS, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT WORK AND, AND FIXING THAT CHART. AND THERE'S NO, SO WE THINK OUR GROUNDWATER IS STABLE UNDER THIS SCENARIO WITH THE EFFLUENT, YOUR WITHDRAWAL FROM THE AQUIFER DROPS FROM 34 88 ACRE FEET TO 1286 ACRE FEET. SO A REDUCTION IN THE WITHDRAWAL FROM THE AQUIFER OF 2200 ACRE FEET A YEAR AT THE END, AT AT 20, 30 56 HERE. UH, NO, IT'S ACTUALLY EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF THAT. THAT'S WHAT REMAINS. SO WE REDUCE THE BY 1,286 ACRE FEET OF EFFLUENT. 34 88 IS REDUCED BY THE 1286. SO WHAT'S REMAINING IS THE 2200 ACRE FEET. OH, OKAY. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. YEP. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT EFFECT THAT'S GONNA HAVE ON THE GROUNDWATER REALLY. WELL, I MEAN, WE'VE DONE MODELING THAT SHOWS THAT AT THE 43 60, WE'RE GONNA SEE VERY LITTLE IMPACT IN THE, IN THE MODELING OVER TIME. SO WE MIGHT HOPE FOR IT COULD ACTUALLY RECHARGING THE AQUIFER, BUT WE ALSO REALLY DON'T KNOW. THAT'S A, A GUESS. AND THAT COUPLES, THE QUESTION I ALSO HAVE IS THAT WE'RE INJECTION AT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, BUT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WATER GOES, DO WE? IT'S NOT, UM, IT GENERALLY GOES IN A SOUTHWESTERN LEAD DIRECTION. YEAH. THAT'S ALL WE KNOW. AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THE RATE, DO WE? NO, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY MONITORING OR MODELING OF THAT. SO IF WE PUT THE WATER IN THE GROUND AND IT SLIPS OFF TO THE SOUTHWEST AND WE PUT A, AND WE WANTED TO DO USING OUR EFFLUENT, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA STOP INJECTING IT. WE'RE GONNA PULL IT OUT SOME OTHER PLACE. WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S CONTRIBUTING TO WITHDRAW OF THE AQUIFER [04:30:01] BECAUSE THE WATER WE INJECTED MAY HAVE SLIPPED DOWNHILL. RIGHT. AND WE'RE JUST GONNA PULL OUT NEW WATER. YEAH. THAT'S AN INTERESTING, AND THAT, THAT ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS THE SCIENCE PROJECT SEVERAL PHDS, . RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S NOT KNOWN YET AT ALL. ALRIGHT, I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH FOR THAT PAGE. THANK YOU BOTH. OKAY. I'M TURNING IT OVER TO YOU NOW, . OKAY. SO, UM, CONSIDERING ALL THAT, THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES IS HOW DO WE BALANCE THAT DISPOSAL WITH CREATING AN ASSURED WATER SUPPLY IN THE INSTANCE THAT THE ADJUDICATION, UH, TAKES, TAKES SOME OF THAT EXISTING SUPPLY AWAY. UM, AND THE ANSWER IS, COULD BE RECHARGE AND RECOVERY. SO I MENTIONED THAT WE RECHARGE THE AQUIFER, WE INJECT IT INTO THE UNDERGROUND WATER, OUR AFFLUENT MIXES WITH THE GROUNDWATER IN ORDER TO USE THIS AS A, AN ASSURED WATER SUPPLY. THEN WE WOULD THEN NEED TO EXTRACT THAT WATER BACK OUT. AND THAT'S DONE USING SOMETHING CALLED AN AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY. WELL, UM, SO ANY QUESTIONS ON, UM, THERE ARE SOME CONSIDERATIONS IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RECHARGE AND RECOVERY? UM, THERE ARE WELL PERMITTING ISSUE, UH, NOT ISSUES, BUT REQUIREMENTS. UM, THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL TREATMENT OF THE EXTRACTED WATER, DEPENDING ON THE WATER QUALITY OF THAT. UM, WHETHER OR NOT THAT MEETS DRINKING WATER STANDARDS. UM, THE A SR WELL, LOCATION I MENTIONED THE FRACTURED BEDROCK VERSUS THE ALLUVIAL AQUIFER. UM, AND THEN ALSO CONSIDERING THE COST FOR DISTRIBUTING, PUMPING AND DISTRIBUTING THAT WATER BACK TOO. I I SAY BACK TO TOWN, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOW IN, IN TOWN OUT THERE, . UM, SO IF WE LOOK AT THE FRACTURED BEDROCK, UH, WE DID A-C-S-A-M-T STUDY, WHICH IS A, A TELE MAGNAR, I CAN NEVER SAY IT. IT'S, THEY, WE SENT SIGNALS UNDERGROUND TO FIND VIA, UH, THE HIGHLY FRACTURED AREAS 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BEST, UM, ACCEPT THE MOST AMOUNT OF WATER FOR US. SO WE WANTED TO LOCATE OUR, OUR INJECTION WELLS THERE. UM, RECOVERY WELLS COULD BE LOCATED NEAR THOSE AREAS. UM, IT'S, THERE IS A POTENTIAL THAT ARE IN Z EXISTING INJECTION WELLS COULD BE CONVERTED TO, TO THE AQUIFER. A SR WELLS, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE. WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT MORE. UM, BUT THE NEW WELLS COULD BE DESIGNED AS A SR WELLS SO THAT WHEN WE ARE READY TO EXTRACT THAT WATER OR UM, RECOVER THAT WATER, IT WOULD BE READY TO GO. UM, AND THEN WE WOULD NEED STORAGE OF THAT RECOVERED WATER WHEN IT CAME TIME. SO SOME CONSIDERATIONS THERE. UM, FOR DELIVERY, WE WOULD UTILIZE OUR DRY LINE THAT GOES BACK TO TOWN WITH SOME REHAB AND WOULD REQUIRE A BOOSTER PUMP STATION DOWN AT THE WASTEWATER RECLAMATION PLANT. UM, IF WE WERE TO PUT YES SIR. QUESTION. UM, ROXANNE, IF THE WESTERN GATEWAY GOES OFF AS DESIRED, THERE'S GONNA BE A WATER TANK THERE. WHAT'S THE SOURCE OF THE WATER GOING IN THAT TANK? THAT WOULD BE, UM, UH, SHORT ANSWER THERE IS, SORRY. UH, ANDY HAAS, VP OF ENGINEERING WITH ARIZONA WATER. UM, SHORT ANSWER THERE, THERE COULD BE A COUPLE OF SOURCES. SO, UM, IDEALLY WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, THAT SITE AND DRILL A, UH, PILOT WELL THERE TO SEE IF, IF WE'RE ABLE TO, UM, GET INTO THAT FRACTURED BEDROCK TO HAVE A NEW SOURCE OF SUPPLY THERE WHILE WATER, UM, UH, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE FIND WATER THERE OR NOT, WE WOULD CONNECT THE TANK TO OUR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, BE ABLE TO FILL AND, AND PUMP BACK SIMILAR TO THE OPERATION OF THE EAST SEDONA STORAGE TANK. UM, AND THEN AS THE MAP SHOWS HERE, THAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL, UH, DISCHARGE LOCATION FOR ADVANCED WATER, UH, PURIFICATION WATER TO COME BACK AND DUMP INTO THE TANK AND MIX WITH OUR OTHER SUPPLIES THERE TO BE, UH, DISTRIBUTED INTO THE SYSTEM. SO MULTIPLE OPTIONS THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THERE A WATER TANK THERE AT ALL? AND THERE'S NO WATER ON THE PROPERTY. OKAY. SO WE COULD, UH, CONSTRUCT THESE WELLS IN A MORE ALLUVIAL AQUIFER. IN THAT INSTANCE, THE UNDERGROUND IS MORE SAND AND GRAVELLY AND THERE'S SOME NATURAL REMOVAL OF ANY REMAINING ORGANICS, WHICH COULD REDUCE THE LEVEL OF TREATMENT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THAT. UM, IT WOULD BRING SOME CHALLENGES, UM, INCLUDING LAND ACQUISITION AND INCREASED PUMPING [04:35:01] DISTANCE IF WE WERE TO DO THAT OF THE RECOVERED WATER. UH, THIS MAP SHOWS SEDONA CITY LIMITS. OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS HERE. THIS IS OUR SEDONA CITY LIMITS. AND THEN THIS BLACK LINE HERE IS COTTONWOOD CITY LIMITS. SO WE ARE WITHIN A MILE OF COTTONWOOD. UM, SO THE AQUIFER TENDS TO BE MORE ALLUVIAL THE MORE SOUTHWEST AND TOWARDS THE VERDE RIVER THAT YOU MOVE. SO, UM, WE WOULD LIKELY NEED TO ACQUIRE LAND EITHER FROM THE FOREST SERVICE OR FROM, UH, CITY OF COTTONWOOD TO DO THAT. UM, AND THEN THERE'S ADVANCED WATER PURIFICATION. THIS, UM, INCORPORATES BOTH DISPOSAL AND LONG-TERM SUPPLY. UM, THERE WOULD BE SHARED OPERATIONAL AND FISCAL RESPONSIBILITIES BETWEEN THE CITY AND WATER COMPANIES THAT PARTICIPATED IN THIS. UM, THERE ARE SPECIFIC OPERATOR CERTIFICATIONS AND TRAINING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AND WOULD DEFINITELY RESULT IN ADDITIONAL STAFF AND ADDITIONAL TRAINING. UM, A DEQ IS WORKING ON DEVELOPING A, A THIRD CERTIFICATION FOR A WP. WE CURRENTLY HAVE WASTEWATER CERTIFICATIONS, UH, WATER CERTIFICATIONS, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE ADDING THE A WP CERTIFICATIONS. ARE THERE ANY CITIES OR TOWNS IN ARIZONA THAT ARE DOING A WP? THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT ARE IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS. UH, SCOTTSDALE CITY OF PHOENIX. A LOT OF THEM IN THE VALLEY. THOSE ARE THE TWO I KNOW FOR SURE. I THINK FLAGSTAFF'S LOOKING AT IT AS WELL, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE STARTED THE PERMITTING PROCESS FOR IT. AND PILOT PROJECTS HAVE BEEN RUN. YEAH, THIS IS KNOWN HOW TO DO IT HERE IN ARIZONA. YEAH. UM, A WP DELIVERY WOULD BE SIMILAR TO ANY RECOVERED WATER WITH A BOOSTER PUMP STATION AT THE TREATMENT PLANT AND THEN DELIVERED TO A STORAGE TANK AT, AT CULTURAL PARK. UM, CONSIDERATIONS FOR ADVANCED WATER PURIFICATION IS THE PERMITTING PROCESS. THERE'S ABOUT A, THERE'S AN EXTENSIVE PERIOD OF WATER QUALITY TESTING AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DESIGN YOUR SYSTEM BASED OFF THE WATER QUALITY THAT RESULTS THAT YOU HAVE OVER A COURSE OF TIME. AND THEN THERE'S LIKE A YEAR LONG PLUS UNTIL A DEQ IS SATISFIED, UM, PILOT PROGRAM THAT YOU HAVE TO DO BEFORE YOU COULD BUILD FULL SCALE. SO IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY LONG PERMITTING PROCESS. IT'S VERY INTENSIVE. UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE WOULD NEED SHARED OPERATIONAL AND FISCAL RESPONSIBILITIES BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE WATER COMPANY. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF SOME O AND M AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL AND TO ARIZONA WATER COMPANY'S BOARD FOR, FOR APPROVAL. UM, AND THEN THERE'S THE CONSIDERATION OF FUNDING. HOW WOULD WE FUND SOMETHING THAT IS SO EXPENSIVE? WE IMAGINE THERE WOULD BE GRANTS. UM, WE COULD DO A VOTER APPROVED SALES TAX TO SPREAD THE COST OVER EVERYBODY USING THIS WATER. UM, AND CONTRIBUTING TO THE COST. UM, BONDS ALLOW US TO SPREAD THE COST OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS AND REDUCE THE IMMEDIATE IMPACT OF UTILITY RATE INCREASES. YOU COULD SPREAD THOSE OVER TIME AS WELL. UM, AND THEN ONE THING TO NOTE IS WE ARE LOOKING TO DO A UTILITY RATE STUDY, A SEWER RATE STUDY. UM, BUT WE CAN'T REALLY COMPLETE THAT UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT DIRECTION WE'RE GONNA MOVE IN. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REALLY SOLID CIP TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE YOUR UTILITY RATES OVER TIME. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR KURT. DOES THE, THE, IF WE WERE, IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER A SALES TAX, WOULD IT HAVE TO BE VOTER APPROVED? NO. SO, UH, THE TPT TAX IS JUST APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AT THIS TIME. ALTHOUGH THERE IS, UH, RUMORS THAT A BILL WILL BE DROPPED THIS NEXT YEAR. UH, CHANGING THAT MAY TO A SHALL, UH, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT ONE YET. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE, THE, THE STATUTE SAYS THE, UM, THE CITIES MAY REFER TO VOTERS FOR TPT TAXES, WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO, TO DO ANY TYPE OF PROPERTY TAX. UM, WHICH THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE AND HASN'T CONSIDERED. BUT A SALES TAX IS, IS A MAY. UM, THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT MAKING THAT A SHELL. THANK YOU. IF I MAY TAP ON THAT, A SALES TAX, COULD IT BE A COMPLICATED STRUCTURE BASED ON USAGE? DOES IT HAVE TO BE FLAT? I BELIEVE IT'D HAVE TO BE FLAT. I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO IT BASED OFF OF WATER USAGE OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF UTILITY USAGE. NO, WE COULDN'T DO THAT. BUT WHAT WE, WHAT WE COULD DO IS USE IT AS A MECHANISM TO HELP OFFSET WHAT WOULD BE AN INCREASE TO RATES IF YOU HAD TO ISSUE BONDS OVER TIME AND YOU COULD SAY, OKAY, THIS IS GONNA DO THAT INSTEAD. AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE RATES INCREASING AT A LOWER RATE UNTIL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE PAID OFF ESSENTIALLY THOSE, THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS. 'CAUSE I WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, THAT REGARDLESS OF WHICH DIRECTION YOU GO, I THINK FOR A UTILITY, [04:40:01] BONDS ARE REALLY THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO FUND THAT. IT'S JUST DETERMINING HOW YOU WANT TO PAY THEM BACK. DO YOU WANNA PUT IT ENTIRELY ON THE RATE PAYER IMMEDIATELY? DO YOU WANNA SPLIT IT? UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR BEST AND SORT OF MISSING FROM THAT LIST, YOU TALKED ABOUT UTILITY RATES, BUT YOU REALLY MENTIONED OUR WASTEWATER RATES. THERE'S THE WATER USER RATES AS WELL. ARIZONA WATER CONTRIBUTION TO THE FUNDING MIX. AND THAT'S WHY IT SAYS UTILITY NOT SEWER. OH, OKAY. BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE SHARED BY A WATER USER. THANK YOU AS WELL. YEP. ALRIGHT, SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE NEXT STEPS. UM, AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON ABANDONING IRRIGATION, BUT AS, AS TERRY SUE AND I WERE WORKING TO COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE THE BEST FOOT PLACE, BEST FOOT FORWARD ON THIS, THERE WERE MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS . AND SO IN ORDER TO MAKE LIKE A REALLY INFORMED DECISION, IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN THE THOUGHT OF, OF BRINGING ON SUPPLY WITH OUR DISPOSAL, UM, WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S GONNA NEED TO BE MORE ANALYSIS DONE ON THE RECHARGE AND RECOVERY ON WHETHER WE, WHETHER THAT ADDITIONAL TREATMENT OF THE WATER WOULD BE NEEDED, UM, PERMITTING ISSUES, WHETHER WE COULD LOCATE IT IN THE MORE ALLUVIAL AREAS AND WHAT THE COST IMPLICATIONS WOULD BE OF THAT. UM, AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT POTENTIAL DIFFERENT METHODS OF TREATING FOR A WP. AND, AND IF WE COULD DO THAT AT A, A LOWER COST TECHNOLOGY IS EVER EVOLVING AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TO FIND SOMETHING ELSE. UM, SO WE FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE ANOTHER ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS DONE IF WE WANNA MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, UM, THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO EXPAND OUR PARTNERSHIPS WITH ARIZONA WATER COMPANY. WE WOULD NEED TO GET SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS IN TERMS OF AGREEMENT, IN TERMS OF HOW WE SPLIT THOSE COSTS AND, AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. UM, INITIALLY WE THOUGHT IF WE WANTED TO DO THIS ANALYSIS, WE WOULD SPLIT THOSE COSTS 50 50. I MENTIONED IN THE, UM, THE AGENDA BILL THAT THE COSTS WE THINK WOULD RANGE ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO $200,000 TO COMPLETE THESE ANALYSIS DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH WE'RE LOOKING AT. RIGHT. UM, BUT IF, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WANNA GO, WE WOULD BRING BACK AN OFFICIAL AGREEMENT WITH ARIZONA WATER COMPANY ON THAT FOR APPROVAL. UM, AND THEN WE THINK WE COULD COMPLETE THAT OVER THE CALENDAR YEAR OF 2026. WE COULD GET BY WITH, YOU KNOW, PUTTING MORE BANDAIDS ON OUR IRRIGATION SYSTEM IS NEEDED, BUT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE A, A MORE INFORMED DECISION ON THE PATH FORWARD. SO JOHN, I ALWAYS ASK YOU HOW MUCH ARE YOU KICKING IN? DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER YET? ? YEAH. SO, AND DID YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, HOW THAT WORKS? UH, JUST WANNA CLARIFY THE QUESTION. SO, UH, HOW MUCH, UH, AIRS AND WATER COMPANY WOULD CONTRIBUTE IN TERMS OF THE, THE STUDY THERE? UM, NO, NOT THE STUDY, THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY. SO THE, IT, THE, THE COSTS TO ACHIEVE THE ABAN, THE, THE, UH, PURIFICATION. YEAH. WE, WE THINK IT'S, UH, DEFINITELY WORTHWHILE E EVALUATING FURTHER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, UM, THAT WE CAN FIND A, A COST EFFECTIVE SOLUTION, SOMETHING TO PARTNER WITH BETWEEN US AND IN THE CITY. AND AS ROXANNE MENTIONED, UH, EARLIER, WE BELIEVE THERE ARE, THERE ARE, UH, GRANTS AND OTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES MM-HMM . OUT THERE RIGHT NOW LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, UTILIZING THESE, THESE WATER RESOURCES, ESPECIALLY IN OUR, IN OUR STATE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, UNDERUTILIZED THERE. SO, UM, I THINK THAT THAT EVALUATION WOULD LOOK AT WHAT'S, UH, WHAT'S FEASIBLE, WHAT'S NOT, AND THEN WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE, UM, UH, FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THERE. SO AT, AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, THE AIRS AND WATER CAN'T COMMIT TO ANY, ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR THERE. HAVE YOU WORKED WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN PARTNERSHIP AND DONE SHARED COSTS? YES, WE HAVE. AND I KNOW YOU'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT YOUR BUDGET AND, AND YOU KNOW, YOUR FIVE YEAR PLAN. AND IF THIS ISN'T IN YOUR FIVE YEAR PLAN, THAT'S MY MOMENT, NOT YOURS, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MORE THAN FIVE YEARS OUT OR YOU HAVE A PLACEHOLDER OR SO. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY INCORPORATE INTO THE, INTO THE, THE FIVE YEAR THERE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST GOING THROUGH WITH THE, THE, UH, ADDITIONAL ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S FEASIBLE, WHAT'S NOT, AND THOSE COSTS. AND THEN IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE CITY AND, AND WE WANTED TO PARTNER IN AND WE COULD GET, YOU [04:45:01] KNOW, ADDITIONAL SOURCES OF FUNDING THERE, THEN WE'D ABSOLUTELY INCLUDE THAT AND INTO OUR PLAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . I COULD FOLLOW UP A LITTLE BIT ON THAT. VICE MAYOR OR MAYOR. MM-HMM . UM, SO YOUR PRESENTATION WE WENT THROUGH, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE OF THE GROUNDWATER AT RISK. WE REALLY BELIEVE YOUR MODELS SHOW THAT. AND WITH SOME CONSERVATION, WE ACTUALLY COULD BE DOING BETTER THAN WE CURRENTLY ARE, WHICH IS STABLE. SO THAT'S INTERESTING. SO THE REAL RISK HERE IS THE ADJUDICATION AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO ABANDON A WELL THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE. AND ONE OPTION ON THE TABLE FOR YOU AND YOUR RATE PAYERS AND YOUR DECISION MAKERS IS TO JUST DRILL ANOTHER WELL, YOU WON'T BE DRAWING MORE OUT OF THE GROUNDWATER, YOU'D JUST BE MOVING THE LOCATION OF WHICH YOU DO THAT. HOW WOULD, HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE COST OF JUST DRILLING ANOTHER WELL VERSUS POTENTIALLY HELPING US PAY FOR A REALLY EXPENSIVE ADVANCED WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM? VERY GOOD QUESTION. I, I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO TAKE A STEP BACK THERE. SO SOMETHING, UH, ROXANNE AND, AND TERRY SUE MENTIONED THAT, I GUESS FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, I'LL HAMMER HOME ON A LITTLE BIT MORE. THERE IS ALL OF OUR WELLS IN THE SEDONA AREA ARE, ARE DRILLED INTO FRACTURED ROCK. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, UM, ALLUVIAL, UM, AQUIFERS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BIG FARM FIELDS AND EVERYTHING DOWN IN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, CASA GRANDE, PHOENIX, YOU KNOW, THOSE AREAS THERE. UM, SO THERE IS, THERE'S REAL RISK OF DRILLING A WELL AND JUST NOT FINDING WATER. AND, AND TO PUT A FINER POINT ON THAT, THE LAST THREE WELLS THAT WE HAVE TRIED DRILLING IN THE CITY OF SEDONA HAVE ALL COME UP DRY LIKE THAT, INCLUDING THE, THE PILOT WELL THAT WE DRILLED ON OUR WHITE BEAR PROPERTY THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM HERE. UM, SO THERE IS, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE FROM WHAT WE FOUND IF WE JUST MOVED OVER 10 FEET FROM THAT EXISTING, WELL, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT WE'RE GONNA HIT THE SAME FRACTURES IN, IN THE ROCKS AND, AND FIND WATER THERE. SO IN, IN MY MIND, THAT IS A, THAT IS THE BIGGEST RISK THERE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE COST OF A, WELL, IT'S, IT'S HOW MANY WELLS ON HOW MANY PROPERTIES AND HOW MANY DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WOULD YOU HAVE TO DRILL BEFORE YOU COULD FIND WATER OF THE SAME OR GREATER CAPACITY OF, OF WHAT YOU HAVE NOW. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE REAL, REAL RISK THERE. WHAT'S THE, SO ROXANNE'S DATA SHOWS US THAT OUR WELLS, THERE WAS, UH, OPTION WHATEVER, ONE TO TWO, TWO ADDITIONAL WELLS IS 2011 ADDITIONAL MILLION DOLLARS SOUNDS LIKE $5 MILLION. WELL, RIGHT, JUST ROUNDING NUMBERS. WHAT'S YOUR NUMBER FOR A WELL THAT'S, THAT'S A, A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER FOR US FOR A, FOR A, A MUNICIPAL PRODUCTION. WELL, AND THAT, THAT ASSUMES THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE THE REAL PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE PROPERTY COSTS, BUT THE, UH, COST FOR, YEAH. AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE TREATMENT OF THE WATER. GOOD, GOOD POINT. YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S THAT, THAT WOULD JUST BE IF YOU ALREADY HAD THE PROPERTY TO DRILL THE WHOLE CASE IT AND EQUIP IT, THAT, YOU KNOW, $5 MILLION IS, IS A, A PRETTY GOOD NUMBER RIGHT NOW VERSUS $150 MILLION FOR ADVANCED WATER TREATMENT. THAT'S A LOT OF SHOTS AT A WELL TO REPLACE ONE THAT YOU MIGHT LOSE IN ADJUDICATION. THAT'S A RIGHT, THAT'S A BUSINESS DECISION. YOU AND YOUR RATE PAYERS ARE GONNA HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO MAKE HOW MUCH MONEY YOU WANNA SPEND FOR THAT POTENTIAL LOSS CAPACITY ON ADJUDICATION THAT MIGHT HAPPEN BEFORE JOHN RETIRES. PROBABLY NOT CAN I? YEAH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF STUFF, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS YOU'RE ASK ACTUALLY ASKING US FOR DIRECTION ON, IT SEEMS TO ME WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO JUST DO RECHARGE WELLS, RIGHT? ABANDON, ABANDON YOUR EFFLUENT SPRAYING AND PUT FOUR RECHARGE WELLS IN. WE'LL JUST GO WITH THAT SCENARIO. THE OTHER ONE IS TO DO RECHARGE RECOVERY WELLS INSTEAD. UM, POTENTIALLY WHERE YOU WOULD PUT THEM ANYWAY, OR FINDING LAND THAT'S ALLUVIAL THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A BETTER CHANCE OF MAKING SURE THE WATER YOU GET OUT IS SIMILAR TO THE WATER YOU PUT IN EXCEPT CLEANER 'CAUSE THERE'S THE SAND. UM, AND THEN THE FOURTH THING IS, REGARDLESS OF WHICH OF THESE YOU DO IN THE BED RACK OR IN THE, UM, ALLUVIAL SAND, DO WE WANT TO, ON TOP OF THAT, BUILD SOME ADVANCED WATER TREATMENT FOR WHATEVER WE PULL BACK OUT OF THE, THE LAND? IS THAT, AM I MISSING ONE? SO WITH THE ADVANCED [04:50:01] WATER PURIFICATION, WE WOULD NOT DO ADDITIONAL WELLS AT ALL. WE WOULD SKIP RECHARGE AND RECOVERY ALTOGETHER AND JUST TREAT THAT WATER STRAIGHT AT THE BACK OF OUR TREATMENT PLANT DIRECTLY TO AN A WP TREATMENT PROCESS AND THEN DELIVERY. SO THE FOUR WELLS THAT YOU WOULD BUILD WOULDN'T, WOULD NOT BE BUILT IF WE MOVED FORWARD WITH A WP. SO YOU WOULD DO NO ADDITIONAL WELLS, CORRECT. YOU WOULD JUST USE THE WELLS YOU CURRENTLY HAVE? CORRECT. AND WE WOULD LIKELY TAKE THEM OFFLINE BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO INVEST IN TREATING WATER TO THAT, SO JUST THE WATER THAT COMES IN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO ANY INJECTION AT ALL. YOU'RE JUST GONNA USE THE WATER THAT YOU GET DIRECTLY AND PURIFY IT TO A FINER DEGREE. CORRECT. GOT IT. YEAH. SO THE, THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS, IS TWOFOLD. SO ONE, DO WE WANNA ABANDON IRRIGATION? THAT'S, THAT'S A DIRECTION ON ITS OWN, YES OR NO? I THINK YOU ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. SO WHAT'S YOUR NEXT QUESTION? THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER, SO THE NEXT OPTION IF WE ABANDON IRRIGATION, WE CAN JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME ADDITIONAL RECHARGE WELLS AND OR WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH ADDITIONAL RECHARGE WELLS THAT ALSO INCORPORATE RECOVERY, OR WE CAN FORGET, RECHARGE ALTOGETHER AND MOVE FORWARD WITH A WP. AND DEPENDING ON THAT DIRECTION WOULD BE, DEPENDING ON HOW EXTENSIVE OUR ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS IS. SO DO WE WANT TO TRY TO RECHARGE AND RECOVER AND FRACTURED BEDROCK WITH THE RISK OF ADDITIONAL TREATMENT AND JUST LOOK AT THAT? OR DO WE WANNA LOOK AT ACQUIRING LAND AND SEEING IF, IF THE COST OF ACQUIRING LAND AND ADDITIONAL PUMPING OFFSETS THE COST OF ADDITIONAL, THE POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL TREATMENT IF WE PUT THE WELLS AT THE PLANT INSTEAD OF FURTHER SOUTH. UM, IT KIND OF JUST DEPENDS ON YOU, HOW EXTENSIVE YOU WANT THAT ANALYSIS AND, AND WHAT YOU WANT TO COMPARE. AND THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY. IF WE WANNA DO THOSE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS. AND IF WE DO, HOW EXTENSIVE DO YOU WANT IT TO BE, BRIAN? THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO WE'RE DOING DISCUSSION, TRYING TO GET TO SOME CONCLUSIONS. RIGHT. OKAY. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM PAGE SEVEN, EIGHT, WHATEVER IT IS, SEVEN, YEAH. ALTERNATIVE TO ABANDONED 200 ACRES OF IRRIGATION ADD THE RECHARGE WELLS FOR 22 MILLION. I, THAT'S, THAT'S MY PREFERENCE. A WP DOES NOT SEEM COST, UH, EFFECTIVE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. WE'VE GOT ASSURED WATER SUPPLY. I DO NOT SEE A NEED FOR MORE STUDIES. I DON'T THINK THIS IS PUTTING OUR HEADS IN THE SAND IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, UH, TO DO THAT. UH, A SR STUFF. I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR THAT. UM, THAT, THAT'S MY OPINION. I THINK THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS ASKED. DOES IT NOT? I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I MEAN, I'M IN AGREEMENT THAT ALTERNATIVE TWO IS THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE, BUT DO ANY OF THESE OPTIONS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EXCEPT FOR A WP? 'CAUSE I AGREE. I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE. UH, I'D RATHER SPEND THE 22 MILLION AND THEN IF SOMETHING HAPPENED YEARS OUT, THEN WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY. BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO DO THAT TODAY OR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. BUT THE RECHARGE, I MEAN, I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, IS THERE A WAY IN WHICH TO REDUCE THE $22 MILLION OR ANY OF THESE, THESE ALTERNATIVES, ONES THAT WOULD COST LESS? YEAH. SO I SHOULD NOTE THAT THAT $22 MILLION IS JUST FOR THE TWO WELLS. MM-HMM . UM, IF WE NEED TWO MORE FOR CAPACITY LATER, THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL PROBABLY OVER 22 MILLION. MM-HMM . BECAUSE IT'LL BE FAR IN THE FUTURE. SO THAT 22 MILLION IS NOT FOR FOUR WELLS, RIGHT. FOR TWO. UM, BUT WE ALSO ALREADY HAVE TWO WELLS, CORRECT? YEAH. MAY I MM-HMM . TAGGING ONTO THAT THEN. SO THE REAL REASON TO DO THAT IS, IS TO MAKE THE DELLS AVAILABLE FOR ALTERNATIVE USE BECAUSE WE COULD SPEND A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT LESS TO REBUILD EFFLUENT SPRAYING AGAIN, IF WE WERE JUST LOOKING FOR THE LOWEST COST OPTION. RIGHT. AND I'LL ADD TO THAT, AND I'M GONNA PUT OUT, WE TALKED YESTERDAY, SOMEONE WAS TALKING TO US ABOUT BOLD VISIONS. SO I HAD A VISION OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS, AND I HOPE IT'S NOT A HALLUCINATION, BUT I HAVE A VISION TIPPING. A BORDERLESS . IT'S SEVEN 15, SO MIGHT BE, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER ITEM TO GO. [04:55:02] UH, SO I'M SCRATCHING MY HEAD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IF THIS COUNTS WERE CRAZY ENOUGH TO APPROVE ADVANCED WATER SYSTEM. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GONNA USE WHAT WE'VE GOT FOR A FEW MORE YEARS. IT'S A HANDFUL OF YEARS BEFORE THAT ADVANCED WATER SYSTEM. SO ON ONE HAND WE'RE SAYING WE NEED TO GET SOME WORK DONE, BUT ONE OF THESE SCENARIOS HAS US LIVING WITH WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOR AN ADDITIONAL PERIOD OF TIME. AND, AND I AGREE, I THE CONDITION OF THE SPRAY IRRIGATION SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. I I, I GET THAT. BUT I, THEIR WATER BEING DELIVERED IS REALLY NOT INCREASING OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. OUR WATER BEING TREATED IS PROBABLY NOT INCREASING OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. WE ARE OUR DREAMS OF CAPACITY, UH, IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT NEAR TERM. UM, SO I WILL SAY THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH A DQ ON A PERMIT AMENDMENT, AND THEY HAVE ASKED US, WELL, THEY HAVE TOLD US THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A PHASED APPROACH PLAN ON HOW WE ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH OUR EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT WITH TRIGGERS ON, FLOW ON WHEN THINGS WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED. SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER AS WELL. UM, I'VE SUBMITTED TO THEM WHAT OUR 2013, UH, EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT OPTIMIZATION PLAN WAS, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S OUR CURRENT PLAN. UM, BUT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DISPOSE OF 2 MILLION GALLONS, NOT JUST WHAT OUR ANTICIPATED BUILD, ANTICIPATED BUILD OUT IS, BECAUSE THAT'S OUR PERMITTED FLOW. UM, AND YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO REDUCE OUR PERMITTED FLOW BECAUSE IF FOR SOME REASON OUR PROJECTIONS ARE WRONG AND WE REACH MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, A REDUCED PERMITTED FLOW, THAT WOULD BE BAD, THAT WOULD BE VIOLATION. SO YOU WOULDN'T WANNA REDUCE THAT 2.0 MGD PERMITTED FLOW. BUT THEY DO REQUIRE US TO HAVE CAPACITY TO DISPOSE OF THAT MUCH, UM, OR A PHASED PLAN TO DISPOSE OF THAT MUCH. ALRIGHT. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE WRECKING MY DREAM. MAYBE NOT , I'M STILL GONNA PUT OUT, I'M STILL GONNA PUT OUT MY DREAM HERE. . SO I, I MEAN, I'M JUST THROWING ANOTHER CURVE BALL ON YOU. YEAH, YEAH. AND THAT'S THE FIRST I HEARD OF THAT. AND SO THAT'S A REALLY INTERESTING ELEMENT THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO THINK MORE ABOUT. BUT HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT THERE. THERE ISN'T A CURRENT RUSH. WE GOT A GOOD ASSURED WATER SUPPLY FOR A WHILE. WHAT I REALLY BELIEVE IS THE VALUE OF OUR EFFLUENT IS INCREASING EVERY DAY IF WE PAY ATTENTION TO THE NEWS. AND WE THINK ABOUT, ESPECIALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA, FOLKS ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET NEW WATER SOURCES EVERY DAY. AND IF WE'RE NOT IN A RUSH AND WE COULD C MAYBE WE HAVE TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF THE SPRAY IRRIGATION AND MAYBE DRILL ANOTHER. WELL, I DON'T THINK WE EVEN NEED TO SPEND $22 MILLION TO BE SAFE FOR A WHILE. NOW YOU WRINKLE ABOUT HAVING TO PROVE A DQ, BUT SO WE DO. YEAH. . YEAH. YEAH. SO I, I GET THAT. UM, THE VALUE OF THIS EFFLUENT IS GOING UP EVERY DAY. AND I SUSPECT THAT SOMEONE WILL COME BACK KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR. YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME AGREEMENT IN THE PAST WITH THE NATION THAT FOLDED UNDER DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES. AND I, I DON'T NEED TO REHASH THAT, BUT SOMEONE'S GONNA COME KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR TO WANNA DO THE SAME THING, TAKE THAT EFFLUENT AND GET IT INTO THE VERDE RIVER AND THEY'LL PULL IT OFF DOWNSTREAM. AND WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT THE PERMITTING PROCESS TO GET TO THAT, THAT'S A SOUNDS WE'VE NEVER DONE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A NIGHTMARE. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO WRITE SOME TREATMENT OF, THE WATER'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE TO GET IT TO THE VERDE RIVER. BUT WHEN A PLAYER LIKE SALT RIVER PROJECT, OR PHOENIX OR THE STATE OR WHATEVER GETS INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS BECAUSE THEY WANT THAT AS A NEW SOURCE OF WATER TO GET INTO THE VERDE, SO SOMEONE DOWN IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA CAN PULL IT OUT. THE PERMIT PROCESS IS GONNA MOVE A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN IT WOULD IF WE WERE JUST PUSHING ON IT. AND SO, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE TOO FAST. THE PRESSURE ISN'T BIG LITIGATION, RISK ASIDE, NEW PERMITTING, REQUIREMENTS ASIDE , UH, BUT I THINK SOMEONE'S GONNA KNOCK ON OUR DOOR AND PAY US A LOT OF MONEY, AND THEY'LL TREAT THAT WATER AND PIPE IT TO THE VERDE RIVER. AND IT'S GONNA BE REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT PROPOSAL MIGHT COME AROUND. AND NOW, IN ADDITION TO THAT, MY FANTASY ELEMENT ADDED TO THAT IS WOULDN'T IT BE REALLY COOL IF WE COULD PUT OUR EFFLUENT TREATED EFFLUENT, PERHAPS [05:00:01] IN A DRY WASH AND GET IT DOWN TO OAK CREEK AND CREATE A NEW RIPARIAN ZONE IN THE FOREST SERVICE CLOSE TO SEDONA. THAT WOULD JUST BE REALLY A BEAUTIFUL AND INTERESTING THING. AND THE WATER WOULD STILL FLOW DOWN TO OAK CREEK AND THE VERDE, AND SO WOULD PULL IT OUT DOWNSTREAM. I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE. AND UNTIL, YOU KNOW, DREAMS LOOK WEIRD AT THE START, BUT IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO CREATE A LITTLE RIPARIAN ZONE. THERE ARE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANTS NEARBY THAT DUMP THEIR WATER CURRENTLY UNDER THE CURRENT PERMITS. AND THAT'LL CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. BUT IT GETS DOWN TO OAK CREEK. FLAGSTAFF IS PUTTING THEIR SEWAGE TREATED WATER INTO THE RIO TO FLAG, AND IT'S GOING OFF TO WHEREVER IT GOES TO. AND THEY'RE HOPING IT'S RECHARGING GROUNDWATER. IT'S A STRETCH GOAL, BUT I THINK IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING CONCEPT FOR US TO DO SOMETHING REALLY AMAZING FOR OUR DESERT ENVIRONMENT AND STILL BENEFIT SOMEBODY IS GONNA PAY FOR THE THING BECAUSE THAT WATER IS THAT VALUABLE. SO I JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE AS A BOLD VISION OF WHERE WE MIGHT GO AND NOT HAVE TO SPEND TOO MUCH MONEY IN THE INTERIM WAITING TO SEE HOW WELL RIPPLE EFFECT IS WORKING. AND I THINK THAT WE DO A LOT MORE TO HELP REDUCE CONSUMPTION. MANDATORY RAIN, WELL, YOU START WITH INCENTIVES, BUT RAINWATER HARVESTING GRAY WATER USE, TURF REDUCTION, LOW WATER USE, PLANTS, IRRIGATION RESTRICTIONS, USE RESTRICTIONS, DRIVEWAY CAR WASHING, AGGRESSIVE USE AND PRICING MODELS OF WATER. UM, STOP USING POTABLE WATER FOR CONSTRUCTION WATERING. RIGHT? THAT'S IN YOUR GUYS' HANDS. WE, WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO TAKE PERFECTLY GOOD POTABLE WATER AND USE IT FOR DUST CONTROL. WE SHOULD CHANGE THAT. WE SHOULD LOOK AT APPROVED ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY FOR SUBDIVISIONS. WE MENTIONED THAT A FEW MEETINGS AGO. THAT'S A POSSIBILITY FOR US TO DO THAT GIVES A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF REVIEW FOR US TO THINK ABOUT IT. AND I THINK CONSERVATION IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO ETHICALLY AND MORALLY, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND WE HAVE A ROLE IN ADDITION TO THE WORK THAT ARIZONA WATER IS DOING. AND WE COULD HAVE, THIS COULD BE A A NET NET POSITIVE THING WITHOUT ACTUALLY HAVING TO SADDLE RATE PAYERS AND TAXPAYERS WITH A BUNCH OF EXTRA MONEY. AND SOMEDAY WE MIGHT NOT EVEN NEED TO INJECT ANY WATER. SO THAT'S THE END OF MY DREAM. I'LL PUT IT OUT THERE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ANDY, I JUST WANTED TO REALLY QUICK FROM A HIGH LEVEL, SAY, UM, AND ROXANNE, JUMP IN IF YOU WANT THAT. I THINK IN THE SHORT TERM, BASED ON SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE HAVE A, A, A NEAR TERM NEED FOR THE INJECTION WELLS. MAKE SENSE IF WE DO FREE UP LAND, UM, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, UH, PART OF THE PLAN TO LOOK AT WATER USE FOR THE DELLS AREA. WE HAVE THE TRANSIT MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS CENTER THAT WE HAVE A WASH CENTER THAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT SHOULD REUSE WATER AS WELL. SO SOME OF THESE, UH, EASY TO GAIN, REUSE CONCEPTS ARE, ARE OUT THERE. AND WE PLAN TO LOOK AT THOSE. BUT I REALLY THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO IN THE NEAR TERM? AND I THINK GETTING TO THAT, THAT'S THE ANSWER THAT WE NEED TODAY, IS WHAT IS COUNCIL SUPPORT FOR, UM, GIVING US THE SOLUTIONS WE NEED FOR THE NEAR TERM NEEDS FOR THE CITY. SO I HOPE THAT HELPS. IT DOES HELP, THANK YOU. BUT LET ME GO BACK TO ALTERNATIVE TO CHARLOTTE'S. CHARLOTTE, DO YOU HAVE YOUR HAND RAISED? UM, YES. GO AHEAD. ASK YOUR QUESTION. UH, IF IT TAKES TWO TO THREE YEARS TO IMPLEMENT ALTERNATIVE TWO, THAT'S TWO TO THREE YEARS BEFORE WE CAN DO ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THE DELLS. AND THEN IF WE PUSH IT OUT, IT'S TWO TO THREE MORE YEARS AND WE PUSH IT OUT AS TWO TO THREE MORE YEARS. SO THAT'S WHAT I LOOK AT TOO. WE'VE GOTTA ABANDON THAT IRRIGATION. I MEAN, WE WERE USING THE LAND AND IT NOT FOR ITS BEST AND HIGHEST USE. AND SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN NOW. ONE MORE YEAR. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A MASTER PLAN, WHICH WOULD TAKE A COUPLE OF YEARS TO PUT TOGETHER, BUT WE CAN'T JUST KEEP PUSHING IT, PUSHING IT, PUSHING IT. IF WE EVER WANNA DO ANY DEVELOPMENT THERE, UNLESS WE CAN REDUCE THE, UM, AMOUNT OF ACRES THAT WE ARE IRRIGATING SO [05:05:01] THAT THERE'S SOME, A BUILDING FOOTPRINT THAT REMAINS, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF CONCERNS, I WOULD SAY, UM, ALL OR NOTHING WITH THE IRRIGATION. AND FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, UM, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO ABANDON IT. IT IS NOT, NOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN GREAT SHAPE. IF WE, EVEN IF WE MADE SOME IMPROVEMENTS, IT'S DIFFICULT TO MANAGE EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT WITH IRRIGATION THAT IS UNPREDICTABLE INJECTION WELLS. THEY'RE TESTED, THEY'RE LOCATED, AND THEY ARE, THEY HAVE BEEN VERY PREDICTABLE FOR US. EVERY DAY. OUR RECHARGE WELL WILL TAKE 360,000 GALLONS. THERE'S SOME DAYS THAT IRRIGATION WILL TAKE ZERO. SO, CAN I ASK QUESTION, CHARLOTTE? UH, OH. OH, SORRY. CHARLOTTE. SORRY. OKAY, THANKS. HI, ROXANNE. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN COST BETWEEN THE REGULAR INJECTION WELLS AND THE, UM, A WP WELLS? UH, THE, AS SR WELLS. OKAY, THAT IS, AS WELLS, THAT IS ONE THING WE NEEDED TO STUDY, HAVE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS ON BECAUSE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO, TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS INTERNALLY. SO IF WE WANTED TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO BRING MORE INFORMATION BACK TO YOU TO MAKE THAT INFORMED DECISION. AND HOW LONG WILL THAT TAKE? OH, WELL, DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE OF THE ANALYSIS, WE, WE COULD DO IT IN SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR, DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COME BACK FOR SURE BY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR IN ORDER TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION FOR THE FY 28 BUDGET YEAR. JUST TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE IN COST. WELL, AND, AND TO MAKE SURE, AND TO KNOW WHAT ADDITIONAL TREATMENT REQUIREMENTS MAY BE NEEDED AND WHAT THE COST OF THAT IS. UM, LIKE I SAID, DEPENDING ON, ON WHAT THE SCOPE OF THAT IS, WILL ALSO DEPEND ON THE TIME IT TAKES TO COMPLETE IT. I WOULD SAY SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR. YOU CAN'T DO THEM IN PARALLEL. I MEAN, IS THIS DO HMM. DO WHAT IN PARALLEL? WELL, WOULD THE STUDY COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT SOLUTION THAN ABANDONING THE, THE IRRIGATION? NO, BUT THE WELLS WOULD BE DIFFERENT. THE WELLS WOULD BE DIFFERENT. SO OH, THEY WOULD BE DIFFERENT. THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANNA JUST DO RECHARGE WELLS OR DO WE WANT TO DO RECHARGE AND RECOVERY WELLS? YEAH. WELL THAT WAS ALTERNATIVE FOUR, RIGHT? DEPENDS ON WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COST IS. AND I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WOULD TAKE THAT LONG TO JUST GET THAT KIND OF A PRICE. THE OTHER, JUST A QUESTION 'CAUSE I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. UNDER ALTERNATIVE ONE, IT ALSO ADDS TO NEW CHARGE RECHARGE WELLS, 11 MILLION, THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, FIVE AND A HALF MILLION. A WELL, I APPLIED THAT TO THE ALTERNATIVE TWO AND THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FOUR WELLS. FOUR WELLS, UM, UM, SO REDUCING BECAUSE OF THE 20, YOU KNOW, 11 TIMES TWO. SO WHEN I SAY ADD TWO NEW RECHARGE WELLS, THAT'S UP TO TWO NEW RECHARGE WELLS FOR CAPACITY. OUR 2013 EFFLUENT MANAGEMENT OPTIMIZATION PLAN IDENTIFIED A TOTAL OF FIVE TO SIX WELLS, DEPENDING ON THE PERFORMANCE OF THOSE WELLS. LIKE ANDY SAID, HE COULD DRILL A WELL AND NOT BE ABLE TO, TO PUMP ANY WATER OUT. WE COULD DRILL A WELL AND NOT BE ABLE TO INJECT ANY WATER. WE HAVE DONE ANALYSIS THAT WE THINK WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD IDEA ON WHERE, HOW THESE WELLS WOULD PERFORM. UM, BUT THAT DEPENDS HOW MANY WELLS WE NEED. DEPENDS NOT ONLY ON THE PERFORMANCE OF THE WELL, BUT OUR FINAL BUILD OUT FLOW. SO IF WE HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY WITH FIVE WELLS OR THREE WELLS WITH KEEPING IRRIGATION, THEN THAT'S ALL WE WOULD NEED TO BUILD. SO IN THAT MODEL OR THAT ALTERNATIVE, THE COST IS JUST FOR ONE? WELL, BECAUSE WE'RE ASSUMING WE WOULD ONLY NEED ONE MORE, UM, BECAUSE WE DO NOT THINK WE'LL EVER GET TO 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. SO BASICALLY IT'S $11 MILLION A WELL PER, WELL, YEAH, NOT FIVE. RIGHT. OKAY. WITH THE INSTALLATION AND THEN OKAY. DOESN'T QUITE LOOK LIKE THAT ON THE CHART, BUT, OKAY. UM, I KNOW I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION, UM, WHICH OF COURSE HAS SORT OF ESCAPED ME AT THIS POINT. OH. UM, HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO LEASE OR PURCHASE LAND FROM THE FOREST SERVICE, DO YOU THINK, IF THAT'S WHERE YOU THINK THESE AQUIFERS MIGHT BE? ALLUVIAL ONES, I GUESS I COULD JUMP IN AT THIS MOMENT. UM, [05:10:01] YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS A ACQUIRED LAND AND PAST HISTORY, UH, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF EFFORT THAT GOES INTO THAT THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES AND DIFFERENT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, EXTRA WORK THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO IT THROUGH, UM, WORKING WITH THE FOREST SERVICE ON THAT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF WORK. THERE'S A LOT OF COST THAT GOES INTO THOSE STUDIES. AND MORE THAN ANYTHING, IT'S A LOT OF TIME. SO IT, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY EXACTLY HOW MUCH, UH, RESOURCE FUNDING AND TIME IT WOULD TAKE UNTIL WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT SITE IS. 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON, YOU KNOW, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT SITE. DO YOU, BUT DO YOU THINK IT'S WORTH PURSUING A LOCATION LIKE THAT, THAT MUCH SUPERIOR? UM, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO DO THE ANALYSIS BECAUSE IT COULD, IT COULD BE THAT IF WE RECOVERED FROM OUR FRACTURED BEDROCK, UM, WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO MINIMAL TREATMENT. WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TREAT FOR PFAS AND WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TREAT FOR ARSENIC BECAUSE BOTH OF THOSE ARE, UM, PRESENT IN THE WATER. AND BOTH OF THOSE ARE REGULATED ON THE, THE POTABLE WATER SIDE. UH, WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE TO TREAT FOR IS ADDITIONAL ORGANICS THAT MIGHT NATURALLY EXIST IN THE GROUNDWATER AND THAT ARE REMAINING IN OUR, ARE AFFLUENT UNDER OUR ALLOWED A PP. SO, SO AGAIN, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO STUDY AND COMPARE THE COST OF ACQUIRING THAT LAND AND THE TIME AND THE EFFORT THAT GOES INTO DOING THAT VERSUS IF WE JUST LOCATED THE WELLS IN THE FRACTURED BEDROCK. YEAH. WELL, UNDER ANY OF THESE, UH, ANY OF THESE DISCUSSIONS, I'LL TURN IT TO STILL SOUNDS THE BEST TO ME. MM-HMM . SO THAT'S IT. THANKS. YEAH. LET'S, LET'S POLL EVERYBODY AND SEE WHERE YOUR HEADS ARE AT, WHERE YOU'RE LEANING TOWARDS BESIDES YOUR DREAM, WHICH, YEAH. YEAH. WHAT ABOUT ? I'M SUPPORTIVE ALTERNATIVE ONE BECAUSE I THINK WE COULD USE THE DIFFERENCE OF THE $11 MILLION ON WATER CONSERVATION EFFORTS. OKAY. BRIAN SAYS TWO, CHARLOTTE SAYS TWO. MELISSA AND DEREK SAY TWO I SAY TOO. SO IT'S WHERE, GET YOUR DIRECTION. SURE. ANDY SAID TOO, . WELL, I, I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED IS ARE WE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT STUDY OR NOT? AND I THINK IF WE GO WITH OPTION TWO, IT KIND OF SUGGESTS THAT WE'RE NOT PURSUING THAT AVENUE, BUT IT STILL WOULD BE AN OPTION TO STUDY THAT AND KNOW, RIGHT. WE COULD, WE COULD PLAN FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE TO STUDY THAT OPTION TO SEE, HEY, DO, CAN WE ADD RE RECOVERY WELLS SEPARATELY LATER IF THE ADJUDICATION CAME FORWARD AND THERE WAS A NEED TO PROVIDE, PROVIDE EFFLUENT AS A SOURCE. ANDY, I'LL LET YOU AND, AND IF I MAY, NOT TO MUDDY THE WATERS FURTHER THERE, BUT IF THE, IF THE PLAN IS TO, UM, ABANDON THE IRRIGATION AND DEVELOP THE DELL'S PROPERTY, YOU NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT WHERE DOES THE WATER SUPPLY COME FROM. SO WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER SOURCE THAT THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, UH, RECOVERY, YOU KNOW, RECHARGE AND RECOVERY WELLS COULD, COULD END UP BEING A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP TOWARDS THAT. WOULD THAT BE PART OF THE STUDY? WE COULD MAKE IT PART OF THE STUDY . WELL, BUT THAT JUST EXPANDS THE SCOPE AND THE TIME AND THE, THE COST OF THE SITE. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS ALLUDING TO EARLIER AS WELL, IS WHATEVER THE DEVELOPMENT ENDS UP BEING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE MAKEUP OF THAT FOR THE DELLS, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ANTICIPATED THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME WATER USE COMPONENT TO THAT. OH YEAH. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT FULLY MEANS, BUT YEAH. DOMESTIC WATER OR THAT USE DEMAND FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT COULD PARTLY OFFSET WHAT WE NEED TO, TO FOR AFFLUENT MAN MANAGEMENT FOR THAT SITE. SO, OKAY. SO LET'S, ARE THOSE THE NAU STUDENTS THAT ARE IN THE HALLWAY? OH YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE STUDY. BRIAN SAYS, NO, CHARLOTTE, WHAT DO YOU SAY? I SAY NO AT THIS POINT, MELISSA, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. UM, WHAT I'M TRYING NOT TO DO IS PUSH OUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA MASTER PLAN THE DALLAS BY ANOTHER YEAR MM-HMM . UM, AND SO COULD WE DO THE STUDY WHILE WE'RE ACTUALLY ENGAGED IN RE RE ADDING THESE TWO NEW RECHARGE WELL, AND GETTING RID OF IRRIGATION? OR DO WE HAVE TO WAIT THAT YEAR BEFORE WE START TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THE TWO TO THREE YEARS GOING [05:15:01] FORWARD? IF THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING BEFORE. CAN WE DO 'EM CONCURRENTLY? YEAH. SO CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH BUILDING NEW INJECTION WELLS NOW AND THEN ALSO DO A STUDY ON A WP ON RECOVERY WELLS ON? YES. SO, SO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUST GOT SAID WAS, WHERE'S THE WATER GONNA COME FROM IF YOU MASTER PLAN THE DOUGHS MM-HMM . RIGHT. IF YOU NEED TO DO THIS STUDY IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT WATER IS GOING TO COME FROM RE RE RECHARGE AND RECOVERY WELLS, OR WHETHER IT'S GOING TO COME, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ARIZONA WATER WANTS TO THINK IT'S GONNA COME FROM, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE. OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO ANY DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE WITHOUT WATER, CORRECT. RIGHT. OF, OF ANY KIND. SO I'M JUST ASKING DO I HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR TO GET AN ANSWER AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE WATER COMING FROM SOMEWHERE BEFORE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD? CAN I ASK A, COULD I ASK A QUESTION OF ARIZONA WATER? IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH SUPPLYING, UH, WATER? IS THERE NOT A SOURCE FOR WATER OUT AT THE DELLS? I GUESS I CAN ANSWER THAT SAYING, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXISTING SUPPLIES OUT AT, AT THE DELLS, AND OUR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM DOESN'T GO THAT, THAT FAR OUT. UH, SO I'D ECHO THE SAME COMMENT I HAD HAD, UH, PREVIOUSLY ABOUT, UM, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CITING WELLS AND, AND FOR SUPPLIES, I COULD JUST SAY THAT WE ALREADY HAVE A WELL, UM, AT THE ADMIN SITE, UH, FOR THE WASTEWATER PLATE, UM, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT PROVIDES THAT DOMESTIC WATER THAT WE USE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES WE HAVE. YEAH. BUT IS THAT SUFFICIENT FOR DEVELOPMENT? UH, THAT WELL WOULD NOT BE SUFFICIENT FOR DEVELOPMENT, BUT THERE IS, WE KNOW THERE'S WATER OUT THERE, IT BECOMES, WHETHER IT'S A DOMESTIC, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT DEPENDS ON HOW THAT WELL IS PERMITTED. AND THEN THE DECISION WOULD BE LIKE, DOES THE CITY BECOME THEIR OWN WATER UTILITY FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT? OR DO WE, RIGHT. OR IS IT ARIZONA WATER COMPANY OR SOME OTHER RANDOM WATER COMPANY THAT COMES IN AND, AND IS THE WATER PURVEYOR FOR THEM? ? I DIDN'T WANNA EXCLUDE ANYONE IF THAT WAS COTTONWOOD WATER COMPANY . RIGHT. SO I, I THINK THAT BECOMES THE QUESTION. BUT, UM, MELISSA, IF, IF I WOULD, IF YOU ARE LEANING TOWARDS A WP AT ALL, I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO WAIT AND COMPLETE THE STUDY. BECAUSE INSTALLING SOMETHING AS COMPLEX AS AN A WP TREATMENT PROCESS, YOU WOULD WANT TO PUT ALL YOUR MONEY TOWARDS THAT. AND YOU WOULD WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT ALL YOUR FLOW TOWARDS THAT. YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO HAVE A COMBINATION OF INJECTION WELLS AND THEN JUST DO A WP FOR A SMALL AMOUNT OF WATER. YOU WOULD WANT TO DO IT FOR THE ENTIRE THING BECAUSE OF THE, THE HIGH COST. YOU GET MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK, THE MORE YOU TREAT. I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S, OH, GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT A A WP, NONE OF US HAVE SAID, BOY, WE WANNA GO SPEND 161 MILLION IN IN TODAY'S DOLLARS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WILL BE BY THE TIME YOU ACTUALLY GET AROUND TO IT. UM, SO WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY, AND PLEASE SHOOT ME DOWN IF I'M COMPLETELY OFF HERE, BUT ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT FOR THE DELLS, THE BEST WATER SUPPLY WOULD BE AN A WP PROVIDED WATER SUPPLY AS OPPOSED TO POTENTIALLY MULTIPLE WELLS, WHICH WE HAVE TO GO INTO NEGOTIATION WITH, WITH ARIZONA WATER OR SOME RANDOM WATER COMPANY? UM, OR BECOME OUR OWN UTILITY, WHICH I'M NOT THINKING WE REALLY WANNA DO. UM, SO ANDY, I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE ANDY DOES, BUT IS THAT WHAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT WOULD BE THE BEST SUPPLY OF WATER FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE. I'M JUST SAYING, 'CAUSE YOU HAD ASKED IF WE CAN'T, WE BUILD SOME INJECTION WELLS AND THEN CON CONCURRENTLY DO A STUDY ON RECOVERY OR A WP I'M SAYING IF YOU WANNA STUDY A WP, WE SHOULD JUST, WE SHOULD WAIT AND STUDY A W PRECOVERY. I WANNA TAKE THAT OFF THE TABLE. THAT'S FINE. I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT RECOVERY WELLS. OKAY. UM, RIGHT. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO UPGRADE OUR WELLS IF WELL, OR WHATEVER IT IS WE WOULD HAVE TO DO BASED ON THE STUDY. THE QUESTION IS, CAN WE, CAN WE PUT THESE RECHARGE WELLS IN NOW? WHICH MEANS THAT IF YOU WANTED TO, FROM THE TIME YOU START DOING YOUR MAGIC, WE CAN START SAYING, OH, SHOULD WE MASTER START, MASTER PLANNING THE DELLS? 'CAUSE APPARENTLY IT'LL TAKE AT LEAST TWO TO THREE YEARS FOR US TO COME TO SOME AGREEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY AS TO WHAT SHOULD BE OUT AT THE DELLS. UM, WHICH MEANS YOU'D BE DONE. AND WE COULD START ON THE, THE DELLS, ASSUMING THERE'S [05:20:01] WATER THAT WE CAN GET TO THE DELLS. 'CAUSE IF WE CAN'T GET WATER, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. WE CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING OUT THERE. I THINK THERE ISN'T AN APPETITE. I HAVEN'T HEARD ONE PERSON ON THIS DAIS OR VIRTUALLY BE LEANING TOWARDS A WP. OKAY. NO, AND THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT'S, BUT WE HAVE PUT THAT IN OUR RANGE OF STUDIES, LIKE IF THAT IS ON THE TABLE, BECAUSE THE LAST TIME WE MET, THERE WAS SOME INTEREST IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT IT. AND THEN WE SAW THE PRICE TAG . YEAH. AND THERE ISN'T, AS PETE HAS POINTED OUT, REALLY A DEMAND. RIGHT. WE'RE NOT AT RISK. SO THAT WE HAVE TO REALLY, SO IF WE'RE TAKING THAT OFF THE TABLE, THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES DO YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH INJECTION WELLS NOW AND THEN JUST DEAL WITH THE ADJUDICATION THING WHEN THAT HAPPENS? OR DO YOU WANT TO STUDY AND SEE HOW WE SHOULD DO RECOVERY WELLS? NOW THAT WOULD BECOME THE QUESTION. CAN I ASK YOU A DIFFERENT QUESTION? MM-HMM . YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE A PLAN THAT YOU SHOWED AT A DEQ AROUND HOW YOU'RE GONNA DO 2 MILLION. RIGHT? HOW MANY MORE WELLS WOULD YOU NEED IN ORDER TO HANDLE 2 MILLION RECHARGE WELLS? UM, FROM OUR 2013, UH, OP AFFLUENT MANAGEMENT OPTIMIZATION PLAN? IT, IT WAS SIX TOTAL. SIX TOTALS. SIX TOTAL. AND YOU HAVE TWO MM-HMM . SO THIS WOULD BE FOUR, FOUR NEW ONES. OKAY. OKAY. THIS IS WHAT I'M HEARING. I'M HEARING WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH ALTERNATIVE TWO. OKAY. AND WE WANNA STUDY WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET WATER FROM TO DEVELOP THE DELLS. I DON'T, I I DON'T THINK THERE'S A STUDY ON THAT. I MEAN, IT, IT'S JUST, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA DRILL WELL, WE HAVE TO KNOW WHERE TO WE'RE GONNA GO. RIGHT? I, I THINK THE, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO DO A STUDY TO DETERMINE DOING RECOVERY, RECHARGE RECOVERY AS OPPOSED TO JUST RECHARGE. THAT'S, AND JUST TAKE THE A A P, THE A WP PORTION OF THAT OFF. RIGHT? RIGHT. BUT IS THERE THERE A REASON THEY STILL NEED A STUDY IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT WHY DO WE NEED A STUDY IF WE JUST SAY WE'RE GONNA DO ALTERNATIVE TWO, AND THEN WE'VE MADE A DECISION. SO, AND THE ONLY THING THAT'S MISSING IS THE STUDY. HOW WE GET WATER TO THE DES THE STUDY WOULD BE THE LOCATION OF THE WELLS. YES. IF THEY COULD BE BE I AGREE WITH THAT. THE, THE RECOVERY WELLS, THE, AS R WELLS, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE STUDY ON THE INJECTION WELLS. WE KNOW WHERE THOSE CAN BE LOCATED. WE HAVE A PLAN ON WHERE ALL SIX OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE LOCATED. IF WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN RECOVERY WELLS, THAT'S WHERE THE STUDY WOULD COME IN. BECAUSE WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW IF WE LOCATED THEM AT THE TREATMENT PLANT, WHAT ADDITIONAL TREATMENT, IF ANY, IS NEEDED, IF WE LOCATED THEM ELSEWHERE, WHAT ARE THE COST IMPLICATIONS FOR LAND ACQUISITION? IS THAT POSSIBLE? AND THEN ADDITIONAL PUMPING TO RECOVER THAT. IF WE DO RECOVERY, DOESN'T THAT MEAN WE'RE COMMITTING TO A WP ON THAT? NO, IT'S DIFFERENT. A WP IS TAKING OUR EFF AFFLUENT ARE EFFLUENT RIGHT AT THE END OF THE TREATMENT PROCESS. AND THEN DIRECTLY TREATING IT. RECOVERY IS WHERE YOU PUT IT IN THE GROUNDWATER FIRST AND THEN EXTRACT THAT WATER. OKAY. WHICH GIVES US THE ABILITY, TO PETE'S POINT IN THE FUTURE, IF SOMEONE WANTS OUR EFFLUENT WATER OR WE WANT OUR EFFLUENT WATER OR WHATEVER, WE HAVE A WAY OF GETTING IT BACK OUT THROUGH THE RECOVERY PORTION OF THIS. AND THEN STORAGE, WHATEVER THE STORAGE IS. BUT IT'S NOT CLEANING IT LIKE AN A WP PROCESS PLANT WOULD DO FROM THE TIME IT, IT COMES INTO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. LET ME, BRIAN, I CAN SUPPORT STUDYING RECOVERY AT THE DELLS. THAT'S IT. WHAT'S THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE NORMAL ARIZONA WATER PROCESS FOR A SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD GO UP SOMEWHERE? AND YOU GUYS HAVE TO EVALUATE WHETHER YOU CAN GET WATER THERE OR NOT. WHY DO WE HAVE A ROLE IN THAT AT ALL? WE'RE NOT. I DON'T WANNA BE IN THE WATER DELIVERY BUSINESS. NO. WHY ISN'T THIS WELL, JUST YOUR ISSUE. I, I GUESS I WAS ABOUT TO SUGGEST WHY DON'T WE JUST MAKE THAT A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DELLS THAT IN, IN WORKING THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO DETERMINE WHAT YOUR, YOUR DOMESTIC WATER, UM, SOURCE AND ALL THE DETAILS OF THAT ARE GONNA BE. SAME AS YOU WOULD FOR POWER. YEAH. YEAH. INTERNET. EXACTLY. YEAH. PHONE, EVERYTHING. ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. OKAY. SO LET'S GO BACK TO WHY WOULD WE BE STUDYING RECOVERY IF WE WANTED TO PARTNER WITH ARIZONA WATER COMPANY TO SUPPLY EFFLUENT AS PART OF THEIR WATER SUPPLY? OKAY. THAT BECOMES THE QUESTION [05:25:01] WITHOUT A WP, RIGHT? RIGHT. SOUNDS LIKE A WP IS OFF THE TABLE. RIGHT? SO IT STILL HAS VALUE TO YOU GUYS. DO YOU WANNA COMMENT FROM INSURED WATER SUPPLY? I'M RECHARGE AND WE REALLY HAVE TO WRAP THIS UP. MM-HMM . YES. SO FROM A, FROM A WATER RESOURCES PERSPECTIVE, I THINK WHAT YOU NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS HOW YOU'RE GOING TO, CAN YOU MOVE CLOSER TO, UH, MAINTAIN THAT WATER SUPPLY? SO IF YOU'RE GONNA DO RECHARGE AND RECOVERY, THAT'S A WAY FOR YOU TO MAINTAIN CONTROL OF THAT WATER SUPPLY. AND SO, MEANING THE EFFLUENT, THERE MAY COME A TIME WHEN YOU WILL NOT HAVE A CHOICE BUT TO DO A WP. UM, BUT WHAT YOU DON'T WANNA DO IS WALK AWAY FROM THAT ASSET. IT IS A VALUABLE ASSET AND YOU DON'T WANNA WALK AWAY FROM IT. UM, SO I THINK THAT THE, WHAT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO FIND OUT IS IF YOU WERE WILLING TO ALLOW US TO EXPLORE FURTHER WHAT THESE DIFFERENT KINDS OF OPTIONS MIGHT LOOK LIKE, AND THAT WE WOULD DO THAT AS A COLLABORATION. SO WHEN YOU ASK, HOW DOES IT TYPICALLY HAPPEN WITH US? WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE A NEW DEVELOPMENT COME THAT COMES IN, FIRST OF ALL, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE LAND IS OWNED BY A PRIVATE ENTITY. AND THAT PRIVATE ENTITY THEN WOULD DO ALL OF THIS WORK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO PROVIDE WATER TO THE PROPERTY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WOULD LOOK AT WOULD BE ANY AVAILABLE EFFLUENT THAT WOULD BE A TYPICAL SUPPLY SOURCE THAT A DEVELOPER WOULD LOOK, LOOK TO USE. AND SO, BECAUSE YOU'RE THE LANDOWNER THAT PUTS YOU IN AN UNUSUAL POSITION. UM, AND SO I THINK WHAT, WHAT ROXANNE AND I HAVE, UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE IS THERE ARE SOME OTHER CREATIVE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE. UM, I DO HAVE SOME SYMPATHY WITH THE VIEWPOINT OF WE HAVE AN IMMEDIATE PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. SO, AND I THINK WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS, GIVE US A YEAR, WE CAN LIMP ALONG WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW FOR A YEAR. LET'S JUST TRY TO FERRET OUT SOME OF THIS OTHER STUFF SO THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED, UM, MR. FOLTZ, WHICH IS, HOW ARE WE GONNA BRING WATER? OR MAYBE IT WAS YOU, COUNSELOR DUNN, HOW ARE WE GONNA BRING WATER TO THAT PROPERTY? THAT TO ME, IF WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS DEVELOPING THE DELLS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO YOU. WE GOTTA HAVE A WATER SUPPLY. THIS STUDY IS ABOUT FIGURING OUT THAT PIECE OF IT, BUT WE'RE NOT WILLING TO WAIT A YEAR TO AND LIMP ALONG. WE'RE JUST NOT WILLING TO DO THAT. SO I THINK WE COULD DO BOTH THINGS. THEN YOU COULD DO NUMBER TWO AND TRACK ON THAT STUDY, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW. YEAH, THAT SOUNDS FINE WITH ME. AND THE, THE IDEA OF RECHARGE WELLS, IS THAT, IS THAT WALKING AWAY FROM OUR ASSETS TO, TO USE A RECHARGE? WELL, NO, NOT AT ALL. I DIDN'T THINK SO, BUT I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT. NO, I, ALL I SAID IS DON'T DO ANYTHING WHERE YOU WOULD WALK AWAY FROM THAT WATER SUPPLY. LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, AGREE TO LET SOMEBODY ELSE FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE IT AND TAKE IT AWAY FROM YOU. SO AS LONG AS YOU MAINTAIN CONTROL OF IT, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE FINE. OKAY. CAN YOU LIVE WITH THAT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. ARE WE IN AGREEMENT? YES. THAT'S THE MAJORITY HERE. OKAY. I WAS . OKAY. OKAY. YOU HAVE DIRECTION? YEP. I'VE GOT WHAT I NEED. LET'S TAKE A BREAK. THANK YOU SO MUCH. A VERY SHORT BREAK. [05:34:16] ALL RIGHT. [3.c. AB 3263 Discussion/possible direction regarding sustainability programming initiatives.] UH, GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR, UH, VICE MAYOR, COUNSELORS, UH, I KNOW WE SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST. YOU GUYS HAVE, HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH A LOT OF GREAT TOPICS, UH, TODAY. UH, SO WE'RE EXCITED TO, TO BE HERE TO BRING THIS, UH, TOPIC FORWARD WITH YOU. UH, SO, UH, AS MENTIONED, WE'RE HERE FOR MY NAME'S BRYCE SPEC, SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER WITH THE CITY. UH, THE, UH, AGENDA ITEM IS AB 32 63. UH, THIS SLIDE IS JUST TO QUICKLY COVER JUST A RECAP, JUST LIKE OUR PROGRAMMING AREAS THAT THE SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT, UH, LOOKS AT. EVERYTHING FROM BUILDINGS, ENERGY, CLIMATE, RESILIENCE, AND, AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN GIVES US A WIDE RANGE OF THINGS TO WORK ON. UH, FOR OUR AGENDA ITEMS, UH, TODAY, UH, ARE, WE'RE FIRST GONNA LEAD OFF WITH A CLIMATE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, UH, WHICH I'M EXTREMELY, UH, PLEASED TO BE ABLE [05:35:01] TO HAVE OUR COLLEAGUES HERE FROM NORTHERN ARIZONA UNIVERSITY. UH, WE'RE PART OF THE CLIMATE SCIENCE AND SOLUTIONS PRO GRADUATE PROGRAM, UH, EXTREMELY TALENTED, UH, GROUP OF, UH, INDIVIDUALS HERE THAT ARE, UH, THAT HAVE HELPED US CREATE A VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, UH, FOR THE SEDONA AREA. WE'LL TRANSITION INTO GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS INVENTORIES, UH, THAT WILL BE LED BY, UH, ZACH. AND THEN WE'LL ULTIMATELY, UH, FINISH UP WITH THE PUBLIC EV CHARGING, UH, UPDATE, UH, WITH, FOR COUNSEL, WHICH I'LL GO OVER, UH, THOSE COMPONENTS. UH, AT THIS TIME THOUGH, UM, I'LL, I'LL HAND IT OFF TO THE NAU TEAM. UH, IF WE, UH, FOR THE EX, UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE KEEP TRACK OF TIME AND THE LIKE, IF WE CAN TRY TO KEEP, UH, QUESTIONS TO THE END FOR THEIR SECTION. UH, I KNOW THEY'VE PRACTICED VERY HARD TO TO, TO STREAMLINE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN AND GO THROUGH IT. THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION IN THERE. UH, IT'S BETTER THIS TIME. WE'LL HAND IT OFF TO THE NAU TEAM. THANK YOU. SORRY WE KEPT YOU WAITING SO LONG. UM, NO WORRIES. THANK YOU. UM, HONORABLE MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY AND ALLOWING US TO PRESENT OUR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. UM, THIS HAS BEEN A COLLABORATION OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS, UM, WITH THE CITY'S SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT, UM, IN CRAFTING THIS ASSESSMENT FOR YOU ALL. UM, WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO JUST THANK THE SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR HARD WORK AND THEIR ACTIVE COMMUNICATION AND ENSURING THAT THE SURVEY, UM, AND THE ASSESSMENT WENT SMOOTHLY AND ALSO IS VERY ROBUST FOR YOU ALL. UM, TODAY WE WILL BE PRESENTING THE, UM, REPORT THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER, BUT THE FINAL DOCUMENT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO YOU ALL, UM, IN THE COMING DAYS TO THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. UM, SO YEAH, BUT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. UM, FIRST WE'LL DO SOME QUICK INTRODUCTIONS. UM, BRYCE BECK, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS THE SEDONA CITY MANAGER WHO'S BEEN HELPING US WITH THIS PROJECT AND ACTIVELY ADVISING, UM, OUR GROUP HERE, UM, DR. JOHN FEI, WHO IS THE ACADEMIC AND DIRECTOR OF THE CLIMATE SCIENCES AND SOLUTIONS PROGRAM, AND OUR ACADEMIC ADVISOR. I'M PATRICK WICKSTROM. UH, TO MY RIGHT HERE, WE ALSO HAVE KAYLA MAGGIO AND, UH, MAHI WASHE. AND THEN ALSO FOR Q AND A SUPPORT. WE HAVE MCKENNA, HANSEN, UM, WHO'S RIGHT BEHIND US. SO FIRST WE JUST WANNA GIVE SOME CREDIT TO THE CITY AND KIND OF WHERE, UM, THE CITY STANDS IN TERMS OF SUSTAINABILITY, SUSTAINABILITY, AND ADDRESSING THESE CLIMATE VULNERABILITIES THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED IN THIS REPORT. UM, WE KNOW THE CITY IS ACTIVELY PURSUING SUSTAINABILITY, UM, EFFORTS AND CLIMATE EFFORTS ACROSS THE CITY. UM, SUCH AS FOR ADDRESSING HEAT AND WILDFIRE, THE URBAN HEAT MAPPING PROGRAM, UM, CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS, HOME REPAIR INCENTIVES, UM, TRANSIT EXTENSIONS. AND THEN AS WELL AS, UM, JUST KIND OF WORKING ON OVERALL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AS WELL. UM, HOW THIS KIND OF REPORT DIFFERS FROM WHAT YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN BEFORE, IS ESSENTIALLY JUST TO ENHANCE THE CITY'S UNDERSTANDING OF THESE CLIMATE VULNERABILITIES. UM, ADDING BASICALLY ANOTHER COMPOUNDING RESOURCE TO WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY SEEN, UM, AND INCREASE THE UNDERSTANDING OF THESE CLIMATE VULNERABILITIES SO THAT WAY, UM, THEY CAN BE BETTER ADDRESSED, UM, AND MORE, UH, AND ALSO JUST BETTER UNDERSTOOD. UM, SO WE'LL BE GOING OVER IN OUR PRESENTATION TODAY, FOUR MAIN SECTIONS. UH, CLIMATE CHANGE VULNERABILITIES BY KAYLA WATER, RESOURCES BY MAHI. AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND FEEDBACK. 'CAUSE THAT WAS A KEY ROLE, UM, IN OUR REPORT HERE, COVERED BY MYSELF. UM, AND THEN WE'LL END UP WITH SOME, UH, SUGGESTED PROPOSED ACTIONS, POLICIES, AND NEXT STEPS, UM, FOR COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. UM, AS A RESULT OF THIS REPORT, NEXT STEP, I'LL HAND IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE KAYLA, TO KIND OF GO OVER SOME OF THESE CLIMATE VULNERABILITIES. GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS KAYLA. UM, AND I'M GONNA SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE CLIMATE CHANGE VULNERABILITY GROUP. UM, OUR TEAM WAS REALLY TASKED WITH GETTING INTO THE SPECIFIC VULNERABILITIES THAT THE CITY HAS AS WELL AS DEVELOPING, UM, POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT PATRICK WAS GONNA TOUCH ON A LITTLE LATER. UM, FIRST I JUST WANNA DEFINE VULNERABILITY. UM, FIRST SEDONA, IT RELATES TO THE CITY'S SENSITIVITY AND SUSCEPTIBILITY TO CLIMATE CHANGE AND ITS NEGATIVE IMPACTS, AS WELL AS THE CITY'S CURRENT ABILITY TO ADAPT TO CLIMATE CHANGE. UM, AND THEN WE IDENTIFIED FOUR DIFFERENT SECTORS, UM, THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN TO THE RIGHT AND THE TABLE, AND, UH, RANKED EACH ONE'S VULNERABILITY. UM, AND WE USED KIND OF A FOUR PRONG APPROACH BASED ON SENSITIVITY, EXPOSURE, URGENCY, AND ADAPTIVE CAPACITY. UM, AND I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO RANK, UM, AND RATE VULNERABILITIES 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT REALLY A GOLD STANDARD WAY IN DOING SO. UM, BUT WE FELT THAT THIS WAS THE MOST, UM, REPRESENTATIVE AND COMPREHENSIVE, UM, WAY TO DO SO. SO THE FIRST SECTOR I'M GONNA TOUCH ON IS, UH, ENERGY AND INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS WAS GIVEN A RATING OF MEDIUM. UM, WE DISCUSSED THREE DIFFERENT IMPACTS THAT CLIMATE CHANGE COULD HAVE ON THIS SECTOR. ONE OF THEM BEING, UM, INCREASED ENERGY, DEMAND AND STRAIN ON ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. ANOTHER IS ON THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT. WE KNOW THAT CONCRETE AND ASPHALT ABSORB HEAT, UM, MORE THAN VEGETATIVE ZONES. AND, UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S ABOUT A NINE DEGREE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN URBAN AREAS AND VEGETATED ZONES. AND SO WITH CLIMATE CHANGE, OBVIOUSLY THIS WILL BE EXACERBATED, [05:40:01] UM, AND QUICKEN THE DETERIORATION OF BUILDING MATERIALS AND LEAD TO HIGHER MAINTENANCE COSTS FOR THE CITY. UM, AND THEN FINALLY, I'LL TOUCH ON THIS A LITTLE LATER, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE GREATER IMPACTS, UM, FROM WILDFIRES 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BECOME MORE PREVALENT IN THE AREA. AND THIS WILL IMPACT AGING OR, UM, UNPROTECTED INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE OF THE GREAT AND, UH, IGNITION RISK. UM, THANKFULLY A PS HAS SOME SYSTEMS IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW, UM, TO HELP MITIGATE AND REDUCE WILDFIRE RISK. BUT IT IS STILL SOMETHING THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT THIS EXISTS. UM, BRIEFLY, I'LL JUST TOUCH ON THIS MAP, UM, SHOWING THE SUMMERTIME VARIANCE ACROSS ARIZONA OR, UH, SEDONA. YOU SEE UPTOWN AND WEST, UM, SEDONA HAVE ALSO, OR, UH, ABOUT A NINE DEGREE TEMPERATURE DIFFERENCE COMPARED TO THE VEGETATED ZONES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. SO THIS JUST ESSENTIALLY SHOWS THAT URBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT. THE NEXT SECTOR THAT I'LL TOUCH ON IS PUBLIC HEALTH. WE ALSO RATED THIS MEDIUM. UM, THERE'S GONNA BE PHYSICAL IMPACTS LIKE WITH INCREASED TEMPERATURE, OBVIOUSLY GREATER FATIGUE, HEAT, UH, HEAT STROKE, HEAT EXHAUSTION. UM, DISEASES LIKE WEST NILE VIRUS AND VALLEY FEVER ARE GONNA BECOME MORE PREVALENT IN THE AREA. UM, I'LL TOUCH ON THIS AGAIN LATER, BUT, UH, WITH INCREASED WILDFIRES, THERE'S GONNA BE GREATER PARTICULAR MATTER IN THE AIR TO, UM, CAUSE YOU KNOW, MORE DIFFICULTY WITH BREATHING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, DECREASED AIR QUALITY. AND THEN FINALLY, WITH MENTAL HEALTH, UM, THE EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS COULD CAUSE SOME DISPLACEMENT AND DESTRUCTION FOR INDIVIDUALS WITHIN SEDONA. AND THAT WOULD LEAD TO ANXIETY, DEPRESSION, PTSD, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UM, I'LL SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME ON WILDFIRE JUST 'CAUSE THIS WAS, UM, GIVEN A HIGHER RATING. UM, WE IDENTIFIED FIVE DIFFERENT SEC SECTIONS WITHIN WILDFIRE THAT ARE, THAT ARE GONNA BE MOST VULNERABLE. UM, WE NOTED THAT WITH INCREASED TEMPERATURES, THERE'S GONNA BE A GREAT IGNITION RISK BECAUSE THE DOMINANT VEGETATION IN THE AREA IS GONNA BE MORE FLAMMABLE. UM, AND SO THIS CAN LEAD TO A LONGER FIRE SEASONS AND MORE INTENSE FIRES. UM, FOR SEDONA RESIDENTS, THOSE THAT LIVE HERE, UM, THEY ARE ABOUT IN THE, THEY'RE IN THE NINE SEDONAS IN THE 95TH PERCENTILE COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY OF EXPERIENCING A WILDFIRE, UM, AT YOUR PROPERTY WITH HOMES ALONG OAK CREEK CANYON THAT'S EVEN HIGHER. AND THEY'RE IN THE 99TH PERCENTILE. UM, AND SO RESIDENTS COULD, UH, EXPECT TO FACE, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURAL LOSS, SMOKE RELATED HEALTH ISSUES, UM, LIMITED EVACUATION OPTIONS. AND THEN FOR THE VISITORS, THEY MIGHT NOT BE AS FAMILIAR WITH SEDONAS, UM, EMERGENCY ROUTES OR EVACUATION ROUTES. AND SO THAT COULD BE A CONCERN FOR THEM. UM, WITHIN THESE TWO GROUPS, WE NOTED THAT THE MOST VULNERABLE ARE OLDER ADULTS, UM, OUTDOOR WORKERS, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, AND THEN THOSE, UM, IN LOWER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS 'CAUSE THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE THE ABILITY OR THE RESOURCES TO EVACUATE IN TIME. UM, REAL QUICKLY, THIS IS JUST SHOWING THAT MAP, UM, FROM THE USDA FOREST SERVICE OF KIND OF WHERE THE RISK IS FOR SEDONA, UH, HOMES. UM, WE SEE THAT WEST SEDONA HAS A LOWER TO MODERATE RISK COMPARED TO THE GREATER AREA. BUT JUST AGAIN, THIS WHOLE AREA, SEDONA ITSELF IS IN THE 95TH PERCENTILE, UM, COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY OF EXPERIENCING A WILDFIRE. AND THEN JUST TO CLOSE OFF, UM, WE KNOW THAT SEDONA HAS A VERY, UH, HEAVILY TOURIST BASED ECONOMY. UM, THE INCREASE IN WILDFIRES IN THE FUTURE COULD LEAD TO A DECREASE IN VISITORS, UM, WHICH WOULD GREATLY AFFECT THE ECONOMY, AND IT COULD IMPACT SEDONAS REPUTATION AS A SAFE DESTINATION TO TRAVEL TO. UM, FINALLY, WE KNOW THAT AGRICULTURE'S NOT NECESSARILY A HUGE THING WITHIN THE CITY, BUT THE CITY SITS IN THE VERDE VALLEY, WHICH DOES HAVE A LOT OF AGRICULTURE. AND SO SECONDARY BUSINESS INTERRUPTIONS FROM, YOU KNOW, AGRICULTURAL LOSSES, EVACUATION COSTS, THIS COULD AFFECT BUSINESSES WITHIN THE CITY. FINALLY, UM, I'M GONNA DISCUSS WATER SYSTEMS AND RESOURCES. THIS WAS ALSO GIVEN A RATE OF HIGH, UM, WE SAW THAT WITH RISING TEMPERATURES, THERE'S GONNA BE A GREATER DEMAND FOR WATER, UM, USE AND CONSUMPTION. AND, UM, THIS WILL BE DIFFICULT WITHIN THE FUTURE. WE'RE EXPECTING DECREASED PRECIPITATION. UM, MONSOONS ARE NOT GOING TO BE AS, UM, PROLONGED AS THEY WERE. THEY'RE GONNA BE POTENTIALLY WEAKENED. AND BUT WHEN IT DOES RAIN, THERE'S GONNA BE SHORTER INTENSE RAINFALL EVENTS. AND THIS WILL REALLY OVERWHELM THE SOIL, WHICH HAS BEEN DRIED OUT FROM CLIMATE CHANGE, UM, AND LEAD TO GREATER FLOODING EVENTS. UM, AND SO, AND THIS WILL BE COMPOUNDED BY THE POST WILDFIRE SOIL EROSION. AND THEN WE JUST HAVE A STATISTIC HERE THAT ABOUT 20% OF BUILDINGS IN SEDONA ARE GONNA BE AT RISK OF FLOODING WITHIN THE NEXT 30 YEARS. UM, BUT I DO WANNA PASS IT OFF TO MAHI 'CAUSE HE WAS ASKED, UH, TO GO DEEPER INTO WATER RESOURCES AND SYSTEMS. AND SO I'LL PASS IT OFF TO HIM. GOOD EVENING, HONOR WILL MAYOR AND CITY COUNCILORS. SO I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE WATER RESOURCE, UH, SITUATION. SO, SO LET'S START FROM THE HISTORY OF OUS WATER, WHICH IS LIKE THE LONG-TERM. USGS RECORD SHOWS THAT OAK CREEK IS DECREASINGLY, LIKE OAK. OAK CREEK IS DECREASING BY APPROXIMATELY 20.9 CUBIC [05:45:01] FEET PER, UH, PER SECOND PER YEAR, WHICH EQUALS ROUGHLY 5 BILLION, UH, GALLONS OF WATER LOST ANNUALLY FROM THE SYSTEM. UH, OVER 90% OF CNAS MUNICIPAL WATER COMES FROM GROUNDWATER WELLS. UH, THAT'S WHY GROUNDWATER STRESS IS, UH, IS A CORE ISSUE OF CNAS WATER SITUATION AND WATER LIKE FUTURE CNA IS CNAS WELL, UH, UM, TAP INTO LIKE, WELL, TAP IS SITUATED IN FRACTURED ROCK AQUIFER WITH LOW STORAGE AND SLOW UNEVEN RECHARGE, WHICH MAKES, UH, THEM MORE, MORE VULNERABLE THAN, UH, THE LARGE BASINS. AND E EQUATORS AND THE TEMPERATURE, UH, DRIVEN, UH, LIKE DRYING IS ACCELERATING RIGHT NOW, UH, WHICH MEANS THAT REGIONAL TEMPERATURE, UH, LIKE HAVE RISEN BY THREE, THREE TO FOUR, UH, FOUR DEGREE FAHRENHEIT OVER SYNDICATES INCREASING, UH, EVAPOTRANSPIRATION AND REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF RAINFALL. AND THAT ACTUALLY LIKE, UH, RECHARGE THE FYRE ALSO, LIKE CLIMATE MODELS PROJECTIONS, THAT APPROXIMATELY 40%, UH, OF WHAT, LIKE SNOW PACK IS DECREASING. AND THAT IS ALSO LIKE, UH, UH, HAPPENING. THAT IS ALSO LIKE, UH, INFLUENCING THE GROUNDWATER. ALSO, WE'RE SEEING THAT FEWER TOTAL STORMS, UH, BUT MORE HIGHER INTENSE EVENTS. UH, THIS CAUSES REPEAT RUNOFF RATHER THAN LIKE INFILTRATION, UH, WHICH IS REDUCING THE GROUNDWATER RECHARGE AS WELL. SO WITH OVERALL, WE CAN SAY THAT WITH OAK CREEK WEAK, UH, LIKE WEAKENING, SNOWPACK SHRINKING. AND ALSO LIKE, UH, STORMS BECOMING LESS HELPFUL FOR RECHARGE, RECHARGE, UH, SECURITY LIKE WATER SECURITY IS INCREASINGLY DEPENDS ON GROUNDWATER SUPPLY THAT IS UNDER MISERABLE AND ACCELERATING STRESSES. SO MOVING FORWARD TO THE NEXT, UH, PART WHICH IS WATER AVAILABILITY AND SUPPLY. SO IN THIS PARTICULAR GRAPH, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE EVEREST DISCHARGE OF LIKE OAK CREEK, UH, BY DECADES, UH, THIS FIGURE IS SHOWING LIKE HOW OAK CREEK'S AVERAGE DISCHARGE HAS CHANGES OVER THE LAST FOUR DECADES. SO THIS AVERAGE DISCHARGE HAS, UH, DECREASED FROM, FROM A 1990, UH, PEG PEAK TO, UH, 91.3 CFS TO EVOLVE LIKE TO ABOUT 67.9 CSF. UH, TODAY, IT STEADY DECLINE. UH, THE STUDY DECLINE, UH, IS ROUGHLY 1.2 CF S PAR, UH, LIKE PAR OVER THE PERIOD. SO THIS DOWNWARD TREND IS CONSTANTLY SEEING, LIKE CONTINUOUSLY SHOWING US THAT THE ACROSS EACH DEC IN, IN THE WHOLE CHART. UM, AND ALSO LIKE FOR PLANNING PURPOSES, THE CITY RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS LIKE SUSTAINS MULTI, UH, DOWNWARD ARY IN OAKRIDGE FLOWS. SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT WHY THIS DECLINE IS HAPPENING. WE ARE SEEING THAT 40%, APPROXIMATELY 40% LESS SNOW PACK, UH, ON THE LON REAM, WHICH HISTORICALLY FED THE SPRINGING FLOWS. ALSO, TEMPERATURE HAS RISEN SIX TO 11 FAHRENHEIT IN PROJECTIONS OF, UH, 2100, WHICH DRIES SOILS, UH, FASTER AND REDUCE RECHARGE. ALSO, MONSOON, UH, PRECIPITATION IS DOWN TO 66% OF NORMAL, WHICH, UH, LIMITING THE SEASONAL, UH, PRECIPITATION LEVEL AND, UH, GROUNDWATER LEVEL ALSO, NAR UH, REAL, UH, UNA'S WATER ACTUALLY OVERWHELMING WELL, LIKE RELIES OVERWHELMINGLY ON GROUNDWATER AND ITS LIKE PRIMARY WATER SUPPLY. SO THE OAK CREEK DECLINES, UH, THE NATURAL CUES OF RECHARGE PATTERN THAT ONCE, UH, SUPPORTED EERS ARE WEAKENING. SO OVERALL WE CAN SAY THAT LIKE OAK CREEK IS, UH, STATELY DECREASING, NOT BECAUSE OF THE ONE ONE FACTOR, BUT BECAUSE OF SNOWPACK TEMPERATURES, DROUGHT, PRES, AND OTHER, UH, SHIFTING, UH, VARIABLES AND PARAMETERS AS WELL, WHICH LEADING THE GROUNDWATER RECHARGE. SO, SO NEXT WE HAVE GROUNDWATER RECHARGE AND EQU FIRE HEALTH. SO S SURFACE WATER DECLINES UNA, UH, RELAYS MORE HEAVILY ON GROUNDWATER, BUT EQU FIRES, IT DEPENDS ON RECHARGE VERY SLOWLY. SPRING, SPRING PRECIPITATION, WHICH HISTORICALLY PROVIDED A KEY RECHARGE PLUS IS, UH, IS NOW DOWN ROUGHLY 1, 2, 1 0.5 INCHES, MAKING THE SYSTEM MORE VULNERABLE AND LIKE MAKING THE SYSTEM EVEN SLOWER TO RECOVER. WE ARE NOT, UH, NECESSARILY GETTING LESS LIKE TOTAL, UH, ANNUAL L RAINFALL. THE PROBLEM IS WHEN AND HOW IT ARRIVES, FEWER STORMS OVERALL. UH, BUT EACH, EACH ONE IS LIKE MORE INTENSE. THAT MEANS WATER RUNS OFF QUICKLY INSTEAD OF LIKE SOAKING INTO THE WATER. SO LIMITED THERE ARE LIKE MITIGATION PROCESS. UH, EVEN THE FOREST RESTORATION WORKS LIKE, UH, FOR FRI, WHICH IMPROVEMENT, UH, LIKE IMPROVEMENT OF RECHARGE IS SMALL, ROUGHLY TWO TO 3%. AND THAT GAINS THE QUICKLY, [05:50:01] UH, LIKE CONSUMED BY GROUNDWATER LEVEL. AND THERE ARE ALSO LIKE, UH, ADAPTATION PROCESS, WHICH IS MANAGED EFI RECHARGE. MAR UH, BECOMES ONE OF THE KEY AND MOST IMPORTANT TOOL, UH, CAN BE, UH, CAN BE AVAILABLE HERE USING THE TREATED EFFLUENT OR STORM WATER TO INTENTIONALLY BOOST GROUNDWATER LEVELS. THE BIG PICTURE, UH, THE BIG PICTURE SHOWING HIS THE NATURAL RICHARD SYSTEMS, UH, SYSTEMS UNA HAS RELIES ON THE SLOWING DOWN THE GROUNDWATER DEMAND IS RAISING WITHOUT, UM, INTENTIONAL ADAPTATION AND EQU FAR, UH, WILL CONTINUE, UH, CONTINUE TRENDING TO OUR STRESSES. SO AS, UH, MY TEAM MEMBER, UM, KAYLA, SHE TALKED ABOUT THE VULNERABILITIES. SO I WILL DEEP DOWN INTO THE, UH, LIKE FLOODING VULNERABILITY. SO, WHICH IS IN THIS PICTURE, UH, IT'S MAP BASICALLY THIS, YOU CAN SEE THE, LIKE THE BLUISH PART IS SHOWING THE OAK CREEK SITUATION. AND THE MAP HIGHLIGHTS WHERE C IS MOST EXPOSED ON FLOODING ALONG OAK CREEK. RED. UH, RED BUILDING SHOWS THE STRUCTURES DIRECTLY AT RISK INSIDE THE 105 HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD. PLANE DEVELOPMENT IS TIGHTLY COST, UH, LIKE CLA CLUSTERED ALONG THE CREEK, UH, MEANING EVEN A SMALL FLOOD INCREASES WILL HAVE A BIG CONSEQUENCES. SO, UH, LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THE SAME LIKE SIMILAR TOTAL RAINFALL, BUT IT ARRIVES, UH, LIKE IT ARRIVES, UH, THROUGH FEWER, MUCH MORE INTENSE STORMS, STRONGER ATMOSPHERIC RIVERS AND HOTTER CONDITION, UH, MEAN LIKE HIGHER FLASH FRAUD AND POST-FIRE DERIVATIVES, UH, FLOW RISK. SO THE CURRENT EXPOSURE IS, UH, RIGHT NOW APPROXIMATELY 944 BUILDINGS SIT INSIDE THE OAK CREEK FRAUD PLANE THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE, IN THE, UH, IN THE MAP AND STRONG MOTOR SYSTEMS WHERE ARE BUILT FOR PAST CLIMATE CONDITION AND, AND ARE NOW LIKE UNSTANDARDIZED FOR TWO DAYS, UH, EXTREME RAINFALL. SO WHY THIS MATTER? BECAUSE FLASH FLOOD FROM, UH, WITHIN MINUTES LIKE PUTTING HOMES BUSINESS AND TOURISM ECONOMY IS, IS AT DIRECT RISK. SO SMALL INCREASES IN STORM INTENSELY CAN TRANSLATE INTO LIKE MAJOR IMPACTS BECAUSE FLAT RAIN IS ALREADY CROWDED. SO WHAT ARE THE ADAPTATION PRIORITIES WE CAN TAKE CARE OF, UH, WHICH IS INCREASE STORM WATER CAPACITY, UH, LIKE MAYBE SOME BIGGER CULVERTS, IMPROVED DRAINAGE AND, UH, LIKE UPSTREAM, UH, RETENTION, ALSO LIKE FOREST, UH, FOREST FOSTERED WATERSHED TO REDUCE RUNOFF, UH, STRENGTHEN THE POST FIRE DERIVATIVE FROM PLANNING. AND ALSO, UH, LIKE PAIR FLOOD MITIGATION WITH ECHO FIRE RECHARGE PROJECTS CAN ALSO LIKE HAVE A MITIGATION PROCESS HERE. SO IN THE NEXT PART IS, UH, INTEGRATION WITH, UH, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY. SO I WILL NOT ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE SLIDE BECAUSE, UH, ARIZONA WATER COMPANY HAS LIKE EXPLAINED THE SITUATION AND WE AGREE WITH THEM. SO MOVING FORWARD TO THE NEXT SLIDE IS, YEAH, SO PROJECTED CLIMATE AND WATER ARE REAL. IT IS RIGHT NOW, UH, LIKE ALL MAJOR CLIMATE MODELS ARE, ARE AGREEING THAT THE TEMPERATURE, TEMPERATURE WILL CONTINUE RISING, INCREASING EVAPORATION AND WATER DEMAND. REGIONAL, UH, REGIONAL STREAM FLOWS IS PROJECTED, UH, TO DROP ABOUT 23% WITH WORST CASE SCENARIOS, UH, APPROACHING TO 50% REDUCTION. ALSO FOR CNAS, UH, SPECIFICALLY OAK CREEK'S DECLINING TREND IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE FOR NEXT, UH, NEXT AT LEAST NEXT 15 YEARS. AND FOR CRITICAL FINDING OF GOVERNANCE MATTERS, WE CAN SEE THAT THE TECHNICAL FIXES ALONE CANNOT SOLVE THESE CHALLENGES WHILE, WHILE, UH, CLIMATE IMPACTS ARE LIKE UP PACKING INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT FOR HISTORICAL CONDITION. UH, ALSO CITIES FROM CITIES THAT ADOPT PROACTIVE MEASURES LIKE CONSERVATION MANAGED RESEARCH AND EARLY INVESTMENT APART FROM FAR, LIKE APART FROM FAR BETTER THAN, UH, THOSE REACTING AFTER SHORTAGE SHORTAGE APPEAR. SO IN THE WHOLE SCENARIO, WE CAN SAY THAT CLIMATE OVERLOOK IS CLEAN, LIKE CLEAR, BUT IT'S NOT THE SOLUTION. FUTURE WATER SECURITY DEPENDS FOR MORE ON GOVERNANCE AND PROACTIVE ACTION THAT ON WAITING FOR, UH, TECHNICAL FIXES. SO NEXT PART WILL BE COVERED BY MY TEAM MEMBER. PATRICK, COULD I ASK A QUESTION IN THIS SECTION? CAN I GET YOU TO GO BACK A FEW SLIDES TOWARDS THE START YOUR HISTORY OF SEDONAS WATER SLIDE, YOU DON'T HAVE SLIDE NUMBERS, AND THEN THE NEXT PAGE, SO JUST BETWEEN THOSE TWO, THIS PAGE SAYS THE ANNUAL FLOW HAS DECLINED 20.9 CFS SINCE 1981. THE PREVIOUS SLIDE SAYS IT'S 20.9 CFS PER YEAR. WELL, IT IS ANNUAL FLOW. NO, I CAN'T, IT CAN'T HAVE DECLINED 20.9 CSF [05:55:01] SINCE 1981, UNLESS YOU'RE SAYING ON THE SECOND SLIDE. THIS, THE SECOND ONE IS, IS THE STATEMENT REALLY THERE, YOUR FIRST BULLET, THE ANNUAL FLOW HAS DECLINED 20.9 CFS PER YEAR SINCE 1981, OR IS THAT 20.9 SINCE 1981? THAT WOULD BE A CUMULATIVE NUMBER. SO IT CAN'T BE THE SAME NUMBER PER YEAR IN CUMULATIVE. NO. AND THAT WOULD EXCEED OUR TOTAL BASE FLOW. IT IT, IT WOULD, YEAH. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THE BASE FLOW OF OAK CREEK IS ABOUT 40 CCF S YEAH, THE, THAT WOULD BE A TYPO IN THE, IN THAT SLIDE. 'CAUSE IF, IF IT IS THAT IN THE, CLEARLY IN THE, THE GRAPH HERE, THE 20 POINT, 20.9 ANNUALLY, WHATEVER, IT'S CUMULATIVE, IT'D BE A CUMULATIVE. YEAH. YEAH. AND SO, YEAH, I MEAN I WANT, THIS IS INTERESTING SLIDE BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT DATA AND IT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE IT BROKEN OUT THAT WAY. UM, AND IT, WHAT IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE WELD DATA, THE BASE FLOW HASN'T CHANGED, BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO CALCULATE THE PEAK FLOWS IN THE FLOODING EVENTS AND STUFF. AND SO MAYBE THE FLOODS ARE LESS FREQUENTLY OR LESS INTENSE OR SOMETHING. SO THE TOTAL FLOW DOWN THE RIVER HAS CHANGED, WHICH IS A REALLY INTERESTING RESULT. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I WANNA CONTINUE TO PONDER THAT, BUT WHEN, YOU KNOW THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE WHEN YOU SAY OAK CREEK FLOWS HAVE DECLINED LOSING 20.9 CSF, UH, ANNUALLY, THAT, THAT PAINTS A REALLY DRAMATIC NEGATIVE SITUATION THAT PROBABLY REALLY DOESN'T EXIST ONE. AND NUMBER TWO, WE DON'T TAKE OUR WATER FROM THE CREEK . SO WE JUST SPENT A COUPLE HOURS TALKING WITH ARIZONA WATER AND THE AQUIFER HEALTH RIGHT NOW, PAST FEW YEARS AND PREDICTED MODELING FLOWS GOING FORWARD. THE AQUIFER HEALTH IS STABLE. SO IT'S JUST A, UH, I JUST, YEAH, TO CLARIFY ON, ON THAT PIECE IS THAT THE INFORMATION THAT THE STUDENTS GONE OVER WITH OAK CREEK AND THE LIKE, IS NOT TO, UH, PAINT ARIZONA WATER COMPANIES GROUNDWATER MODELING EFFORTS IN A CONTRARY MATTER. IT'S TO HELP US REINFORM, UH, HOW WE LOOK AT THOSE, THOSE WATER SUPPLIES AND THE LIKE. UH, SO WITH THE ASPECT OF, UM, UH, THE CLARIFICATION THAT WE'VE GOTTEN WITH THIS, UH, INITIAL POINT OF THAT DIFFERENCE CHANGE, UH, WHAT WE ARE ESSENTIALLY, UH, WANTING TO MAINTAIN OUR COMMITMENT TO AND THE LIKE, IS THAT YOU'VE SEEN WITH WASTEWATER WITH ARIZONA WATER COMPANY IN OURSELVES IS THAT THE WATER RESOURCES IN THE AREA ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR OPERATIONS AND THE LIKE, YEAH, YEAH. WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GROUNDWATER FOR, UH, DIRECT, UH, USE OF WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY OR IT'S RECREATIONAL BIODIVERSITY BASE WITHIN THE CREEK. UH, SO IT'S JUST TRYING TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THAT TO HOW THEY, UH, CAN INFORM EACH OTHER. YEAH. YEAH. MY, MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT THIS IS PART OF A PUBLIC RECORD. PEOPLE MIGHT FIND THIS AND THINK ABOUT USING IT AND THEY MIGHT SAY, OH MY GOSH, THE WATER, SEDONAS WATER IS COLLAPSING, WHICH ISN'T O OVERSTATED IN ITS CURRENT STATE AS WE KNOW IT TODAY. SO I JUST WANT, BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD, YOU'VE, YOU KNOW, DONE THIS WORK. IT'S, IT'S NOW AVAILABLE. I, I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTATE THINGS AND CAUSE PEOPLE TO PANIC WHEN THERE'S CERTAINLY LOTS IN HERE FOR US TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT . AND YOU'VE DONE SOME GOOD WORK THAT WAY, BUT I DON'T WANNA OVERSTATE PROBLEMS IN ADDITION. SO THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER FERMAN FOR THE CLARIFYING QUESTION. UM, IN THIS NEXT SECTION, UH, I'LL BE GOING OVER THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND FEEDBACK. UM, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND FEEDBACK I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE IS ARGUABLY JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE EMPIRICAL SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT KAYLA AND MAHI HAVE PRESENTED THUS FAR. UM, JUST BECAUSE IT INFORMS HOW THE COMMUNITY IS PERCEIVING THESE CLIMATE RISKS AND VULNERABILITIES, AS WELL AS HOW THE COUNCIL, UM, OR CITY STAFF MIGHT WANNA APPROACH, UM, ADDRESSING SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES THAT THE CITY MIGHT FACE. AND SO, UM, FOR OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND FEEDBACK, ALTHOUGH TIME WAS SOMEWHAT LIMITED IN OUR CAPACITY, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO DO PRIMARY OUTREACH THROUGH DIGITAL AND PHYSICAL ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY. SO I'LL START OFF WITH THE, A DIGITAL ENGAGEMENT HERE. SO OUR DIGITAL ENGAGEMENT WAS PRIMARILY THROUGH A SURVEY, UM, THAT WAS 16 QUESTIONS LONG, FOUR TO SIX MINUTES TO COMPLETE BECAUSE WE WANTED IT TO BE ACCESSIBLE, DIRECT TO THE POINT, APPLICABLE TO THE STUDY. AS WELL AS, UM, WE ALSO HAD FILTERS IN THERE TO ENSURE THAT ONLY FOLKS THAT WERE, UM, RESIDENTS OF SEDONA AND WORKERS OF SEDONA BUSINESS OWNERS OR NGOS THAT DIRECTLY OPERATE WITHIN THE CITY WERE ABLE TO ANSWER THE SURVEY. SO THE FIRST QUESTION IN HERE, UM, WAS KIND OF A FILTERING ONE. SO IF THEY SAID NO [06:00:01] TO ANY OF THOSE, IT BASICALLY KICKED 'EM OUT OF THE SURVEY SURVEY HERE TO ENSURE, UM, THAT WE'RE GETTING, UM, OUR, OH, SORRY. UM, TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE, UM, UH, THE PROPER RESPONSES, UM, FROM THE COMMUNITY. UM, OVERALL OVER THE, JUST OVER TWO WEEK RESPONSE PERIOD, UM, WE RECEIVED ABOUT 46 RESPONSES. UM, THE SURVEY WAS ALSO CREATED IN COLLABORATION WITH CITY STAFF, UM, AS KIND OF A BACK AND FORTH EFFORT, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESENTED A POLISHED SURVEY, UM, FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ACCESS. CITY STAFF ALSO ASSISTED IN TWO POSTS THAT WERE PUBLISHED ON, UM, CITY OFFICIAL SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES TO GET THE WORD OUT AS WELL AS IT WAS POSTED ON OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT WEBPAGES, LIKE THE SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT'S WEBPAGE, UM, TO ALSO INCREASE THAT ACCESSIBILITY AS WELL. SO THAT WAY IF FOLKS WERE JUST BROWSING ON THE SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT'S WEBPAGE, THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE IT OR, UM, IN THOSE POSTS AS WELL, THOSE TWO SCHEDULED POSTS BY THE CITY AS WELL TO ACCESS THE SURVEY. WE ALSO, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT, IDENTIFIED 32 LOCAL NGOS, UM, IN COORDINATION WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER. UM, SENDING TWO EMAILS, UM, ABOUT A WEEK APART FROM EACH OTHER, ASKING FOR THEIR FEEDBACK FROM THE NGOS THEMSELVES, BUT ALSO TO HELP DISTRIBUTE THE SURVEY IN ITS CAPACITY. AND SO THIS FIGURE RIGHT HERE ON FIGURE 10 IS BASICALLY SHOWING A SAMPLE PAGE FROM THE SURVEY. THERE WAS A MIX OF QUESTIONS FROM MULTIPLE CHOICE RANKING SLIDING SCALE, BUT ONE THING WE WANTED TO EMPHASIZE WAS ON ALL OF THE QUESTIONS, UM, TO ALLOW RESIDENTS, UM, TO HAVE AN OPEN-ENDED RESPONSE IF THEY FELT LIKE THERE WAS A RESPONSE THAT THEY WANTED TO COMMUNICATE, UM, WITH THE SURVEY THAT MAYBE THE ANSWER IS HERE. UM, THE CHOICES THEY WERE GIVEN MIGHT NOT HAVE DIRECTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, PERTAIN TO THEIR ANSWER TO GIVE THEM KIND OF A FREE, UM, FLOWING OPTION THERE. WE ALSO ATTENDED THE FEST FALL EVENT, UM, AND DID SOME IN-PERSON FLYERING AROUND TOWN. SO OUR TEAM DISTRIBUTED 180 FLYERS ACROSS UPTOWN AND WEST SEDONA TO 27 DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, AS WELL AS PLACE THEM ON CARS IN PUBLIC PARKING LOTS. UM, THIS IS, THIS FIGURE 11 HERE, UM, IS SHOWING WHAT THE FLYER ITSELF LOOKED LIKE. IT HAS A QR CODE ON THERE, UM, FOR FOLKS TO BASICALLY SCAN IT AND GET DIRECT ACCESS TO THE SURVEY. UM, WE WANTED IT TO BE VISUALLY APPEALING AND POPPING, SO THAT WAY, UM, RESPONDENTS, UM, TO THE SURVEY WERE ABLE TO, UM, KIND OF PICK IT OUT. UM, 'CAUSE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN SEE THESE FLYERS KIND OF EVERYWHERE AND WE WANT IT TO BE A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE. AS FOR ATTENDING THE FEST OF FALL EVENT, UM, WE TABLED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE EVENT ALONGSIDE CITY STAFF. UM, AND THIS WAS A GREAT HELP BY THE SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT IN HELPING US COORDINATE THIS. UM, AND BASICALLY IN THIS ONE WE WANTED A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CASUAL QUICK RESPONSE, UM, FROM THE COMMUNITY KIND OF HAVING MORE OF THOSE KITCHEN TABLE DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM. UM, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A KIND OF A CASUAL EVENT, IT'S FAIRLY LARGE, SO FOLKS MIGHT ONLY HAVE A MINUTE OR TWO TO STOP BY, GIVE THEIR FEEDBACK INSTEAD OF MORE FOUR TO SIX MINUTES TO ANSWER THE SURVEY. BUT WE ALSO DID PROVIDE THEM THAT OPTION IF THEY DID WANNA STICK AROUND AND FILL OUT THE ENTIRE SURVEY, THEY WERE ABLE TO, AND THIS IS JUST WHAT THIS POSTER LOOKED LIKE THAT WE HAD AT FESTIVAL. UM, AND SO ON HERE WE HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT UNIQUE CLIMATE RISKS, AND WE WERE BASICALLY ASKING, HOW CONCERNED ARE YOU AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER, UM, OF THESE RISKS BETWEEN WILDFIRE UTILITIES, EXTREME HEAT, FLOODING AND AIR QUALITY, BUT ALSO LEFT THEM, AGAIN, ANOTHER OTHER SECTION TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK IF THEY WERE, UM, IF THEY FELT THEY WANTED TO COMMUNICATE SOMETHING ADDITIONALLY TO US. UM, THEY WERE COMMUNICATED THROUGH STICKY NOTES IN THE COLORS OF RED, YELLOW, AND GREEN, UM, BASICALLY RANKING THEIR CONCERN LEVEL, RED BEING THE MOST, GREEN BEING THE LEAST, KIND OF LIKE A STOPLIGHT, YOU CAN THINK OF IT. AND THERE'S JUST SOME PICTURES OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS AT THE EVENT ITSELF AND KIND OF HOW IT WAS SET UP. AS FOR THE SURVEY RESULTS, UM, THEY ARE SEPARATE FROM THE FEST OF FALL RESULTS, WHICH I'LL GET INTO HERE IN A MINUTE. BUT OUT OF THE RESPONDENTS HERE, UM, WE CAN SEE A PRETTY LARGE MAJORITY OF FOLKS. UM, AND THE ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED TO THEM ON HOW LIKELY THEY ARE TO SUPPORT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF CITYWIDE ACTIONS TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE WERE VERY LIKELY, UM, TO SUPPORT ACTIONS BY THE CITY. UM, AND WE ALSO DID HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT INDICATED, UM, THEY WOULD PROBABLY NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, CITYWIDE ACTIONS MIGHT LOOK LIKE, AND KIND OF DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT ACTION LOOKS LIKE, UM, KIND OF HINDERS ON THEIR SUPPORT THERE. BUT OVERALL, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF FOLKS, UM, INDICATED A VERY STRONG RESPONSE TO SUPPORTING SOME OF THESE, UM, ACTIONS ON CLIMATE RISKS. UM, ON THIS GRAPH HERE, UM, ON THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED OF WHAT VULNERABILITY AREAS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE SOLUTIONS CREATED FOR THE MOST? IT WAS A RANKING QUESTION HERE. SO CHOOSING YOUR TOP FIVE. UM, I KNOW IT'S KIND OF INVERSE IN THE WAY YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, BUT IF WE START AT THE BOTTOM HERE WITH WILDFIRE, UM, BEING THE TOP RANKED CHOICE, UM, OF THE TOP CONCERN, AND THEN KIND OF GOING UP FROM THERE WITH TRAFFIC CONGESTION, DROUGHT, ECOSYSTEM HEALTH AND RISING TEMPERATURES BEING, UM, THE REMAINING FOUR OF THOSE TOP FIVE CONCERNS THAT RESIDENTS HAD. UM, SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE IS WILDFIRE DROUGHT AND RISING TEMPERATURES ALSO ALIGN WITH THE VULNERABILITY RISKS [06:05:01] THAT KAYLA HAS PRESENTED ON BEFORE, AND AS WELL AS MAHI OF JUST SOME OVERALL RISKS THAT DIRECTLY AFFECT SEDONA, UM, BUT ALSO ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN TANDEM WITH WHAT CITIZENS ARE KIND OF SEEING AND THINKING ABOUT THESE ISSUES. AS FOR THIS RESULTS PAGE, UM, WE HAVE THE FEST OF FALL RESULTS. SO WE KIND OF TALLIED ALL OF THE RESULTS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS GRAPH HERE. AND SO, UM, THE EXTREMELY CONCERNED AREAS WHERE, AGAIN, WILDFIRE EXTREME HEAT WERE OUR TOP TWO, TWO UTILITIES WAS OUR THIRD. UM, WHEN WE WERE TALKING WITH RESIDENTS, UM, AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS ABOUT UTILITIES, UM, WE WERE MAINLY FOCUSING ON RELIABILITY AND AFFORDABILITY, UM, OF ELECTRIC UTILITIES, ESPECIALLY AS WE'VE SEEN, UM, CHANGES WITH APSS, UM, YOU KNOW, ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS, BUT ALSO RATE INCREASES IN THE PAST COUPLE YEARS. AND SO WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS A, UM, A NECESSARY, UM, QUESTION TO ASK, UM, RESIDENTS ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS ON THAT AS WELL. BUT AGAIN, THIS JUST KIND OF TIES BACK TO THOSE VULNERABILITIES THAT WE HAD POINTED OUT EARLIER IN OUR PRESENTATION OF WILDFIRE AND EXTREME HEAT BEING TWO OF THE HIGHER RISK, UM, VULNERABILITIES THAT WE SEE ALSO IN SOME OF THE GENERAL FEEDBACK. UM, THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE MANY, UM, GENERAL FEEDBACK SHORT RESPONSES THAT WE GOT HERE. UM, WITH THE FIRST ONE BEING, UM, SOME RESIDENTS FELT LIKE THE CITY DOES A LOT OF STUDIES LIKE THIS AND THERE'S ALWAYS RESEARCH GOING, UM, BUT THERE MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH ACTIONING HAPPENING, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO HITTING THE GROUND RUNNING FOR SOME OF THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING SOME OF THESE VULNERABILITIES. UM, KIND OF RELATING TO THAT. UM, WE ALSO GOT A LOT OF RESPONSES THAT WERE, UM, OF PEOPLE SAYING HOW MUCH THEY CARE ABOUT THE SEDONA, UM, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENT IN THE CITY. AND, UM, THEY WOULD LIKE TO, THEY JUST LIKE WHEN THE CITY, UM, LIKE TO SEE WHEN THE CITY INVESTS IN ITS COMMUNITIES AND PROTECTS THEM AGAINST THE F EFFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE, ESPECIALLY HOW RICH THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF SEDONA ARE AND THE UNIQUENESS OF THEM. UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE HERE IS THAT, UM, IT'S A CRITICAL ISSUE AND THOUGH, ALTHOUGH UNPOPULAR AT TIMES, UM, ESPECIALLY SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE TO TALK ABOUT, UM, IT IS IMPERATIVE FOR THE CITY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS AS WELL. AND THEN JUST KIND OF SUMMING UP THE SURVEY, JUST 'CAUSE THERE WERE 16 QUESTIONS, UM, INCLUDING SOME OPTIONAL DEMOGRAPHIC ONES AT THE END OF THE SURVEY FOR FOLKS TO FILL OUT. UM, JUST SOME MAJOR TAKEAWAYS OF THE SURVEY IS THAT, UM, A MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS AND RESPONDENTS WERE VERY LIKELY TO SUPPORT CITY EFFORTS ON CLIMATE ACTIONS. UM, RESIDENTS OF SEDONA ARE ALREADY OBSERVING CLIMATE CHANGE IN THEIR OWN BACKYARD, SO SEEING THAT IT'S GETTING HOTTER AND DRIER, UM, BUT THEN ALSO WETTER, PARTICULARLY PROBABLY IN THAT MONSOONAL SEASON, UM, WITH THOSE HEAVIER RAINS ALL AT ONCE. UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAD 15 RESPONDENTS ON ONE QUESTION SAY THAT THEY HAVE A MAXIMUM LEVEL OF CONCERN ON A RANKING OF ONE BEING THE LOWEST, FIVE BEING THE HIGHEST, UM, FOR CLIMATE RISKS. AND THEN ONLY ONE RESPONDENT HAD SAID NO CONCERN. AND THEN ALSO NOTABLY, UM, WE HAD ZERO RESPONDENTS SAY, UM, IN THE NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THE SECOND LOWEST. SO MOST RESPONDENTS THERE ARE RANKED CLIMATE RISKS AS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE, UM, IN TERMS OF THEIR LEVEL OF CONCERN. AND THEN WILDFIRE, AGAIN, JUST KIND OF HITTING THE NAIL ON THE HEAD AS WE'VE, AS WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY HEARD AND YOU'RE ALL ARE PROBABLY AWARE IS WILDFIRE RANKS AS A VERY, UM, TOP CLIMATE RISK AND CONCERN AMONGST FOLKS HERE IN SEDONA. SO KIND OF CLOSING OUT THE PRESENTATION HERE, UM, I WANT TO KIND OF GO OVER SOME OF OUR PROPOSED POLICIES AND ACTIONS WITHIN THE FINAL REPORT. UM, YOU'LL FIND A FEW DOZEN MORE OF THESE PROPOSED POLICIES AND ACTIONS, AND I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT SOME OF THESE ACTIONS MIGHT ALREADY BE UNDERWAY WITH THE CITY AND, UM, AS THEY'RE WRITTEN, UM, JUST KIND OF ENHANCING THOSE PROGRAMS, UM, AND THOSE ACTIONS THAT THE CITY IS TAKING, UM, BUT ALSO TAKING FROM OTHER REPORTS THAT THE CITY MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN SUCH AS, UM, ON, UH, HEAT MITIGATION AS WELL. SO A COUPLE THAT I'LL KIND OF GO OVER HERE, I HAVE 10 LISTED ON THE SLIDES, BUT I'LL KIND OF BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THEM, UM, IS SUPPORTING THE EXPANSION OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY RETROFIT PROGRAMS, ESPECIALLY FOR RESIDENTS IN OLDER HOMES AND ECONOMICALLY VULNERABLE HOUSEHOLDS. WE KNOW THE CITY ALREADY DOES THIS, UH, TYPE OF PROGRAM, UM, IN THAT IT EXISTS, BUT KIND OF EXPANDING IT FURTHER, ESPECIALLY IN THE FACE OF UTILITY CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH A PS RATE HIKES AS FOR PUBLIC HEALTH, UM, CREATING A CITYWIDE CLEAN AIR PROGRAM TO PROVIDE HEPA FILTERS TO HOUSEHOLDS DURING TIMES OF POOR AIR QUALITY AND PRESCRIBED BURN EVENTS. UM, WE SEE THIS PROGRAM OPERATING SUCCESSFULLY UP IN THE NEIGHBORING CITY OF FLAGSTAFF, UM, AS THEY ALREADY HAVE A HEPA, UH, FILTER PROGRAM. UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE A SUGGESTION THAT WE WOULD HAVE FOR THE CITY AS WELL. DO THEY QUALIFICATIONS FOR RESIDENTS TO GET THESE AIR PURIFIERS OR THEY HAND THEM OUT TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS ONE. UM, I WILL PASS THAT ON TO BRYCE AS HE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROGRAM. UH, UH, GREAT QUESTION. UH, MAYOR PLU, UH, FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING WITH THAT PROGRAM, THERE IS A, LIKE A SET, UH, NUMBER THAT FLAGSTAFF HAS PURCHASED, UH, AND THEN THERE'S KIND OF A, AN OPEN, UM, ENROLLMENT FORM FOR IT THAT, UH, WILL KIND OF CLARIFY FOR THE APPLICANT WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE, UH, EXPOSED TO LIKE A HEALTH RISK OR HAVE, UH, SAY, ASTHMA RELATED SYMPTOMS OR THE LIKE, UH, THAT MIGHT BE, THAT IS ALMOST A, A PART OF A CLARIFIER ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY ACTUALLY NEED THAT HE [06:10:01] HEPA FILTER, UH, FOR THAT PROGRAM. UH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THE FLAGSTAFF, UH, UH, INITIATIVE. THANK YOU. UM, AS FOR ANOTHER ONE OF OUR SECTORS HERE, PARTICULARLY IN WILDFIRE, UM, AS KAYLA HAS ALREADY MENTIONED, RESIDENTS, UH, MIGHT BE REALLY FAMILIAR WITH, UM, EMERGENCY PROGRAMS WITH WILDFIRE, BUT SEEING THAT SEDONA GETS MILLIONS OF VISITORS A YEAR, UM, VISITORS MIGHT NOT BE, UM, PARTICULARLY AS AWARE. SO IMPROVING WILDFIRE EVACUATION MANAGEMENT BY ENHANCING SIGNAGE, TRAFFIC FLOW PLANNING, AND VISITOR COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS, PARTICULARLY IN HIGH TOURISM AREAS. UM, AND AS WE ALSO LEARNED FROM BRYCE, THE CITY HAS ALREADY KIND OF KICKED OFF THIS PROGRAM, UM, THROUGH HIRING ON A NEW EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UM, CONSULTANT WITH THE CITY. SO THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF GOOD TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE KIND OF JUMPING AHEAD OF THESE PROPOSED ACTIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE FOR YOU. UM, A COUPLE OF OTHER ONES THAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, I KIND OF ADDED A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TERMS OF WILDFIRE AND WATER SYSTEMS, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S KINDA THOSE HIGHER RISK AREAS, UM, IS, UH, CREATING CLEAR WILDFIRE COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS THAT PROVIDES REAL TIME UPDATES ON AIR QUALITY TRAIL AND ROAD CONDITIONS. UM, AND THEN EMERGENCY NOTICES, AGAIN, THIS KIND OF PERTAINS A LITTLE BIT MORE TOWARDS VISITATION, ESPECIALLY SEEING HOW ROBUST THE RECREATION, UM, OUTDOOR RECREATION SECTOR IS HERE IN, UH, SEDONA FOR, UM, OUTDOOR TOURISM FOR VISITORS. UM, AND THEN FOR WATER RESOURCES, UM, WE KNOW THE CITY IS ALREADY KIND OF, UH, STARTING THIS AND, UH, WORKING WITH ARIZONA WATER COMPANY ON THIS, BUT EXPANDING WATER, UH, OR EXPANDING URBAN WASH, STORM CONVEYANCE AND CULVERT CAPACITIES BASED ON OF UPDATED RAINFALL INTENSITY PROJECTIONS. WE KNOW THAT WITH CLIMATE CHANGE, THE ATMOSPHERE CAN HOLD MORE WATER, SO RAIN, RAINFALL, INTENSITIES, UM, CAN BE A LOT MORE, SO WHEN IT RAINS, IT REALLY RAINS. AND SO FLOODING CAN BE, UM, A BIG PROBLEM THERE. AND SO KIND OF MAKING SURE THAT OUR WATER SYSTEMS ARE UPDATED TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THESE ENHANCED, UM, RAINWATER FLOWS. AND THEN ALSO JUST FURTHER PROMOTING AND INCENTIVIZING WATER CONSERVATION AMONG RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES THROUGH, UH, RAINWATER HARVESTING AND WATER SAVING TECHNOLOGIES. WE KNOW THE CITY ALSO, UM, HAS PROGRAMS AND PARTNERSHIP WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS ON THIS, BUT FURTHER EXPANDING THEM, UM, ESPECIALLY AS, UM, YOU KNOW, WATER SECURITY BECOMES A LITTLE BIT MORE AT THE FOREFRONT, ESPECIALLY WITH CLIMATE CHANGE, UM, KIND OF ALREADY HERE IN OUR BACKYARDS. AND SO WE JUST KIND OF WANTED TO KINDA ADD THAT AS, UM, JUST AN ENHANCEMENT OF THOSE INCENTIVE PROGRAMS. BUT AS FOR OUR PRESENTATION, UM, THIS IS, UH, THIS BRINGS US TO THE END OF IT, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, WE WELCOME THEM. WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE ALSO HAD A VERY LONG DAY SO FAR. UM, AND SO, UM, WE'RE ALSO HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH ANY EMAIL QUESTIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS AS WELL. UM, AND ALL OF THE FINAL FIGURES DATA, UM, AND REPORT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO YOU ALL IN THE NEXT COMING DAYS TO ABOUT A WEEK OR SO, UM, OF THAT FINAL REPORT, UM, THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR, FOR YOU ALL, UM, PROVIDED BY THE SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT. UM, BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR ATTENTION TODAY, UM, ESPECIALLY SEEING THAT WE'RE GOING A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE EVENING. UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE WELCOME THEM. BRIAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. FIRST OFF, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING DOWN TODAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND WAITING FOR THIS, UH, AGENDA ITEM TO COME UP. UH, WE ALL WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE STARTED THIS ABOUT THREE HOURS AGO, I'M SURE, UM, COMPLIMENTS TO YOU ON THE QUALITY OF YOUR PRESENTATION MATERIALS, UH, AND YOUR PRESENTATION ITSELF APPRECIATE THE PACE, APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU DIDN'T READ STRAIGHT FROM THE SLIDES. IT'S VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. UM, AND YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE GOOD COMMAND OF THE CONTENT. MY QUESTION ACTUALLY IS MORE FOR BRYCE, WHICH IS, OKAY, THERE'S 10 PROPOSED CITY ACTIONS AT THE BACK END, MANY OF WHICH WE'RE ALREADY DOING TO SOME LEVEL. SO WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THIS? HOW DOES THIS, HOW, HOW DO YOU, YOU MAKE THIS REAL AND INTANGIBLE FOR THE CITY AT THIS POINT? UH, GREAT QUESTION. SO I THINK FOR, FOR US, AS WE LOOK AT OUR PROGRAMMING EFFORTS AND THE, LIKE, WE TAKE THIS INFORMATION AND SEE HOW WE CAN BOLSTER OR REPOSITION SOME OF OUR, OUR PROGRAMMING EFFORTS TO, TO MATCH NOT ONLY WHAT THE COMMUNITIES, UH, HAS EXPRESSED AS THEIR, UH, MAIN CONCERNS ARE, BUT AS, UH, AS THEY HAD MENTIONED, AS WELL AS THAT EMPIRICAL COMPONENT FOR IT. UM, SO WITH THE, UH, SAY THE WATER, UH, REBATE PROGRAMS AND THE, LIKE, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A DISTINCT LIKE RESIDENTIAL REBATE PROGRAM THAT WE'VE CREATED. UH, SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO SEE HOW WE CAN IMPROVE ON THAT ASPECT, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GET A, A RESIDENTIAL, UH, BASE PROGRAM SET UP THAT'S KIND OF, UM, COORDINATED WITH AND HELP SUPPORTED BY THE RIPPLE EFFECT. BUT THE RIPPLE EFFECT EFFORTS WERE INITIALLY, UH, KIND OF LIKE COMMERCIAL FOCUS BASE. UH, BUT THEN AS WE TRIED TO BUILD THAT OUT, BEING ABLE TO BRING IN THAT RESIDENTIAL PIECE WITH IT, UH, FOR THE WILDFIRE UH, COMPONENTS, UH, I FEEL LIKE THAT IS, IT'S A, UM, A VERY BROAD, UH, TOPIC FOR US. LIKE THE WHOLE CITY HAS, HAS, UH, WAYS TO INTERACT WITH THAT, OBVIOUSLY WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND IN COLLABORATION WITH SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS. AND [06:15:01] AS A COUNCIL DISCUSSED LAST NIGHT WITH THE SIREN SYSTEM AND THE, LIKE, THOSE ARE ELEMENTS TO HELP IMPROVE ON THOSE COMMUNICATION ASPECTS WITH IT. ON THE PROGRAMMING SIDE OF THINGS FOR SAY OUR DEPARTMENT, UM, AND THE, AND SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT, UH, WE, UH, HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND HOW WE CAN SUPPORT THEIR, UH, FIREWISE PROGRAMMING AND THE LIKE. UH, I, I JUST HAD, UH, MY STAFF, UH, TEAM MEMBERS, ZACH ANDRA, UH, PARTICIPATE WITH COM DEV AND SOME FIREWISE TRAINING, UH, TO HELP, UH, INFORM THAT AND HOW IF WE WERE TO, TO EXPAND ON THOSE FIREWISE RELATED PROGRAMS, UH, THAT WE HAVE SOME MORE BACKING INFORMATION ON WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. UH, AND THEN IN PARTICULAR ON THE, UH, GO BACK ONE SIDE PLEASE, UH, ON THE ENERGY AND INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, COMPONENTS TO IT, UM, WE WILL TAKE A LOOK TO SEE HOW WE CAN EXPAND THAT HOME ENERGY RETROFIT, UH, PROJECT TO SEE IF WE CAN GET, UH, ADDITIONAL PEOPLE THROUGH THAT PROGRAM, UH, AS WELL AS THERE'S NEED TO, UH, CONTINUALLY ENGAGE WITH OUR UTILITY, UH, PARTNERS AS WELL, UH, AS OFF AS MUCH AS THAT THEY HAVE, UH, BEEN A CHALLENGE OR THAT THE CORPORATION COMMISSION ALIKE HAS KIND OF, UH, GIVEN THEM ONE DIRECTION TO THE OTHER, THERE'S STILL AN INSTRUMENTAL PART IN HELPING US GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OUT, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY PE MEMBERS THAT THEY, THEY, UH, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S, UH, AT THE MOMENT A PS STILL HAS A DEMAND SIDE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM FOR PROGRAMMABLE THERMOSTATS, UH, AND HIGH STRESS, UH, EVENTS OR THE, LIKE ON THEIR GRID. UH, SO IT'S TRYING TO EXPAND ON THOSE EFFORTS, UH, AS WELL. SO TRYING TO TAKE ALL THIS INFORMATION IN, SEE WHAT PROGRAMS WE HAVE, UH, AND THEN SEE HOW WE CAN IMPROVE AND EXPAND ON THOSE EFFORTS. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND TO THE TEAM, DOES TONIGHT CONCLUDE YOUR WORK ON THIS PROJECT, OR IS THERE MORE THAT GOES ON BEYOND TODAY? UM, AS FOR OUR, LIKE, RESEARCH AND, AND KIND OF PRESENT PRESENTATION AND AND ANALYSIS, UM, THAT PART HAS WRAPPED UP. UM, IT'S PRETTY MUCH JUST POLISHING UP THE REPORT FOR YOU ALL, UM, AND MAKING IT LOOK NICE AND PRETTY AND, AND EASY TO READ FOR, FOR EVERYBODY, FOR YOU GUYS, BUT ALSO IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, THAT'S ACCESSIBLE FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. AND THEN IT'S WINTER BREAK FOR YOU GUYS, AND THEN IT'S WHEN WE ACTUALLY GRADUATE, UH, IN LIKE TWO DAYS. SO, . OKAY. CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. UM, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL AS PART OF THE PROPOSED ACTIONS WOULD BE, UH, CITATIONS TO ANY, UH, BEST PRACTICE TYPES OF, UH, PROGRAMMING THAT MAYBE YOU ARE AWARE OF IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL SEE THAT IN TWO DAYS BEFORE YOU GRADUATE, BUT I JUST THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, UH, A BENEFICIAL ENHANCEMENT TO THIS PARTICULARLY WHERE MANY OF THESE ITEMS ARE THINGS THAT WE ALREADY ARE DOING. SO, UH, BEING GIVEN THE INSIGHT OF WHERE THERE'S, UH, BENCHMARKS THAT WE COULD COMPARE TO AND SEE WHERE WE COULD IMPROVE UPON, I THINK WOULD ALSO BE BENEFICIAL IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS. BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DEREK. UH, WHAT VECTOR INSECTS DO WE HAVE HERE THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC? OTHER THAN MOSQUITOES, BUT I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE I'VE HEARD OF ANYBODY GETTING ANYTHING OTHER THAN WEST NILE. UH, ONE OF THE, UH, POTENTIAL ONES WOULD BE, UM, EXPANSION OF TI UH, TICK, UM, MIGRATION PATTERNS IN THE, LIKE, UM, THIS AREA AS IT GETS A LITTLE BIT DRIER, WE DON'T SEE AS MANY, UH, IN SOUTHWEST AS MANY TICKS, BUT AS THE, UM, FLUCTUATION KIND OF CHANGES IN THEIR MIGRATION PATTERNS, THE ABILITY FOR A TICK TO SURVIVE IN DIFFERENT CONDITIONS, UH, HAS KIND OF CHANGED OVER TIME. UH, SO, UH, I'D SAY THAT KIND OF THAT VECTOR, UM, VECTOR INSECT, UH, IN ADDITION TO MOSQUITOES. OKAY. HAVE WE HAD ANY CASES, UH, FOR AS FAR AS I KNOW FOR THIS, UH, FOR THE SEDONA AREA, NOT SO MUCH, UH, UH, DOWN IN THE TUCSON AREA. I THINK THEY MAY HAVE HAD, UH, SOME INSTANCES, BUT I CAN CONFIRM THAT NUMBER FOR, OR CONFIRM THAT FOR YOU. AND I KNOW THEY HAD SOME IMPLIED CASES FURTHER NORTH, BUT MM-HMM . OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST CURIOUS. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I THINK THIS IS PRETTY CLEAR AND IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE SORT OF INTERNALLY HAVE CONTINUOUSLY AND WE HAVE WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS CONTINUOUSLY. UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING IT ESPECIALLY WILDFIRE. WE'RE SEEING IT BEYOND THAT. IT'S HITTING PEOPLE'S POCKETBOOKS WITH INSURANCE, UM, AND LOSING INSURANCE FIREWISE BECOMES CRITICAL BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET YOUR INSURANCE BACK. SO, I MEAN, WE'RE HEARING IT, WE'RE SEEING IT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. WE'RE VERY MUCH AWARE OF IT. UM, I, I AM AN ASTHMATIC, SO I'M VERY MUCH AWARE OF THE IMPACT OF PARTICULATES. UM, AND I'VE NOTICED, UM, I HAVE AN IQ AIR METER AND I'VE NOTICED THERE'S A FEW MORE OF THEM, UM, SHOWING UP IN, IN SEDONA. SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT MIGHT EVEN BE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO, IS HOW TO GET SOME MORE CITIZEN [06:20:01] SCIENTISTS SORT OF ENGAGED TO BE HELPING US MONITOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON, ESPECIALLY AS A WILDFIRE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NEAR US. THE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF OUR HEAT, WE BECOME A DOME AND IT JUST COMES DOWN THROUGH THE CANYONS ON EITHER SIDE OF US. IT SITS HERE. SO IT JUST, IT'S LIKE ALL OF THOSE THINGS. MAYBE WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE WE ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY TO HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I THINK YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB. UM, CONGRATULATIONS, UM, ON GRADUATING, UM, HAVING SEVERAL DEGREES OF MYSELF. I KNOW IT'S LIKE THE MOST IMPORTANT DAY IS WHEN EVERYTHING IS TURNED IN AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LIKE ME, YOU WON'T ACTUALLY SHOW UP FOR GRADUATION . UM, YOU JUST WAIT FOR THEM TO SEND YOU A CERTIFICATE THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH. UM, ANYWAY, CONGRATULATIONS. I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB. I THINK YOUR ADVISING TEAM, UM, THEY SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE. THIS IS A IMPORTANT AREA OF STUDY THAT MANY PEOPLE RIGHT NOW IN OUR COUNTRY, UM, WOULD NOT AGREE IS AN AREA OF STUDY. SO KUDOS TO YOU. KEEP IT UP. THE WORLD WILL CHANGE. ALL RIGHT, ERIC, THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. I WON'T REPEAT ALL THAT. I JUST HOPE THAT, UH, WE DIDN'T TURN YOU OFF ON PUBLIC, FUTURE PUBLIC SERVICE BY HAVING TO WAIT SO LONG. BUT THIS IS REALITY OF, OF THAT LIFE. SO CHARLOTTE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UM, NO QUESTIONS. I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE THE PRACTICAL NATURE OF THE REPORT AND UM, LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH IT. THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. DO YOU HAVE A JOB NOW? SO SUBJECT, , . PATRICK, DOES I DO ? YEAH. OH GOOD. SHOULD BE RU'S STILL LOOKING. . YEAH. ARE YOU GONNA STAY HERE IN THIS AREA? UH, I'M FROM PHOENIX, SO I'LL PROBABLY STAY FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT I'M OPEN TO ANYTHING. THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY, GOOD JOB. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANDY , MAYOR. OH, ANDY, I JUST WANTED TO DO A QUICK CHECK WITH COUNSEL TO SEE IS THERE A APPETITE TO CONTINUE WITH THE REMAINDER OF THIS ITEM? IT WAS A DESIRE OF COUNSEL TO HAVE THIS PRESENTED, BUT IT WILL NOT HURT STAFF'S FEELINGS AT ALL WHATSOEVER. IF YOU WANT TO POSTPONE IT, HAVE IT AT A LATER TIME. I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR ANY ACTION? UH, I THINK WHEN, WHEN FOR THE, UH, AGENDA OF BILL, WE SAID IT WOULD LIKE POSSIBLE DIRECTION. UM, I THINK A LOT OF IT CAN BE FLESHED OUT AS YOU GUYS GO THROUGH THE COUNCIL RETREAT AND THE LIKE, JUST HOW YOU MIGHT WANT US TO GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WITH THE, THE RESPECTIVE PROJECTS. UH, SO IF YOU THINK THAT IS BETTER SUITED AT THAT TIME, UH, MORE THAN HAPPY TO TO, TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. IS THERE ROOM, WE DO HAVE TIME ON DAY THREE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S GETTING FILLED UP, SO I GUESS MAYBE BARBARA CAN GIVE US A BETTER IDEA? I THINK, UM, [3.d. Discussion/possible action regarding ideas for future meetings/agenda items.] RIGHT NOW ON DAY THREE ON THE ITEMS THAT COUNCIL HAS ASKED TO DISCUSS, WE HAVE, WE HAVE 10, 10 ITEMS SO FAR ON THAT AFTERNOON. YEAH, THE EVENING . YEAH, SEPARATE, SEPARATE OF COURSE FROM THE CORE PRIORITIES THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BE IF, UM, UH, IF I CAN INTERJECT, IF, IF IT ALSO IN THE TIMING WISE, UM, WORKS BETTER FOR, I GUESS THAT NEXT TIMEFRAME IS THAT EARLY PART OF JANUARY PIECE FOR IT. UM, HAPPY TO, TO BRING IT BACK BEFORE COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THEN. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT STILL GIVES US SOME TIME, UH, WITHIN OUR, OUR BUDGETING PROCESS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN ALIGN WITH, UH, WHAT YOUR GUYS' GOALS AND, UM, DIRECTION IS. YOU'LL GET A BETTER RECEPTION WHEN WE'RE NOT SO TIRED AND CRANKY. , THAT WE WERE ON OUR GOOD BEHAVIOR FOR THE STUDENTS . YEAH. SO, UH, IF, IF THAT'S UH, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL PREFER, WE'D BE HAPPY TO COME BACK, UH, FOR IT. THANK YOU. SORRY ZACH. [5. ADJOURNMENT] AND WITH THAT MEETING IS ADJOURNED. YOUR STUFF IS REALLY HARD. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.