* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:05] I AM CALLING THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 9:31 AM MADAM CLERK, COULD YOU READ THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MAYOR PLU. HERE, VICE MAYOR FOLTZ ON HIS WAY. COUNCILOR DUNN. PRESENT. COUNCILOR FURMAN. PRESENT. COUNSELOR HOSSEINI EXCUSED. COUNCILOR KINSELLA? HERE. COUNCILOR FAF HERE. OKAY. WE'LL GO INTO RECESS UNTIL 10:00 AM OKAY, WE'RE BACK AT, UH, 9 59 AND A FEW SECONDS. I'D LIKE THE RECORD TO REFLECT THAT VICE MAYOR FOLTZ IS HERE, [3. SPECIAL BUSINESS] AND, UH, WE'RE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, SPECIAL BUSINESS A DAY ONE, VISIONING AND PRIORITY SETTING, SHARED VISIONING AND COLLECTIVE PRIORITY SETTINGS FOR FY 27, FACILITATED BY JONATHAN KING. AND I'D LIKE TO TURN THE MEETING OVER TO JONATHAN KING. THANK YOU, MAYOR. WELL, GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. YOU GUYS ALL HAVE THE CARBS THAT YOU ALL NEED AND COFFEE. OKAY, BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THE CONTENT. SO, UH, FOR THE REST OF THE DAY, WE'RE WORKING AND THAT MEANS THAT, THAT WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE MOVING ON SOMETHING. AND SO, SO YOU ARE FREE TO LEAVE FOR BATHROOM BREAKS, FOR DRINKS, FOR SNACKS, FOR, FOR WHATEVER YOU NEED THROUGHOUT THE DAY. WE'RE NOT STOPPING FOR OFFICIAL STOPS. AND EVEN WHEN THE LUNCH SHOWS UP, BY THEN, YOU SHOULD BE AROUND YOUR TABLE WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE AND, AND IT'S A WORKING LUNCH. SO WHATEVER FOOD THAT WAS ORDERED ON, ON YOUR BEHALF, JUST GRAB IT AND GO BACK TO THE TABLE AND, AND KEEP MARCHING ALONG. SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA GET A LOT DONE, UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. SO, UH, . SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE DETAILS? ALL RIGHT. UH, SO, UH, TODAY, WHAT, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA GO THROUGH IS A, IS A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS. UH, THE, THE END GOAL, AND WE'LL DESCRIBE THIS IN DETAIL, UH, IS TO REALLY, TO BE ABLE TO, TO LAND ON SOME CORE, CORE PRIORITIES, UH, AS YOU GO INTO 2026. BUT TO DO THAT, UH, THIS COLLABORATIVE PROCESS, UH, IS GONNA REQUIRE US TO DO THINGS VERY INTERACTIVELY AND, AND A BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE PAST. AND, AND SO IT IS FUN. I THINK IT'S FUN. UH, I KNOW SOME INTROVERTS WOULD PREFER TO DO THIS BY THEMSELVES, BUT, UM, BUT WE CAN GET, WE CAN GET A LOT DONE. SO LET'S DEFINE COLLABORATION. UH, THE, AT THE CORE COLLABORATION JUST SIMPLY MEANS TO CO-LABOR TOGETHER. THE, THE GENIUS OF COLLABORATION IS THAT IT ACTUALLY OVER AND OVER AGAIN SHOWS THAT, THAT WE ARE ABLE TO GET MORE DONE IN A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAN WE CAN BY OURSELVES. AND THAT'S WHY, UH, ORGANIZATIONS, UH, COMPANIES, UH, ALL KINDS OF, OF GROUPS ARE CONSTANTLY COMING BACK TO SAYING, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO COLLABORATE MORE. NOW, WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF WHAT THAT EXACTLY LOOKS LIKE. AND, UH, FOR TODAY'S PURPOSE, IT'S JUST THE CORE ASSUMPTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO, TO GET MORE DONE TOGETHER, AND WE'RE GONNA WORK IT, WORK IT OUT TOGETHER. UH, BUT I FOUND THAT THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY FOUR CORE AREAS THAT, THAT BRINGS ABOUT GREAT COLLABORATION, AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE WRITTEN UP ON THE BOARD. UH, NUMBER ONE IS A SENSE OF DISCOVERY. UH, SIMPLY MEANING THAT WE ARE ALL SHOWING UP WITH AN ATTITUDE OF WANTING TO BE CURIOUS, WANTING TO, TO FIGURE THINGS OUT, WANTING TO ASK QUESTIONS, UH, WANTING TO, TO BRING OUR BEST IDEAS, UH, TO THE TABLE AND TO HEAR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY. UH, SENSE OF DISCOVERY IS SOMETIMES CALLED THE BEGINNER'S MIND. AND, UH, WHEN THEY LOOK AT DEVELOPMENTAL STUDIES, THEY, THEY LOOK AT KIDS AND THEY SAY, WOW, LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH. UH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A BEGINNER'S MIND, THEY'RE WILLING TO APPROACH EVERYTHING, TRIAL AND ERROR, AND THEY GET ALL KINDS OF GREAT THINGS DONE. AND I WON'T EXPLAIN ALL THE STUDIES TO THOSE, BUT, UH, IT'S PRETTY AMAZING STUFF. UM, AND ALONG WITH THAT SENSE OF DISCOVERY COMES AN ATTITUDE OF HUMILITY THAT CONSISTENTLY, IF PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY'RE WILLING TO, TO BE HUMBLE ENOUGH TO SAY, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, EVERYTHING, IT ALLOWS US TO ALSO TO CONTINUE TO LEARN. IF WE COME IN WITH, UM, AND THIS IS WHY NOT ALL THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU PRIOR, BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT EVERYONE SHOWING UP WITH ALL YOUR SOLUTIONS TOTALLY CEMENTED. UH, THIS PROCESS SHOULD BE ABLE TO BRING [00:05:01] YOU TO THIS PLACE WITH SOME HUMILITY TO BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, THERE'S MORE THAT I NEED TO LEARN, OR THERE'S MORE, UH, PERSPECTIVES I NEED TO GET TO. AND THAT'S WHAT, UH, ODDS ARE DONE HERE. SO UNDERSTANDING IS REALLY BEING WILLING TO SAY, SAY, I, UH, I'M SEEKING TO HEAR OTHER PEOPLE'S PERSPECTIVES. I WANT TO HAVE A DIALOGUE IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ARE. AND IN THAT DIALOGUE, COLLABORATION STARTS HAPPENING. AND, AND THAT COLLABORATION THEN PRODUCES, UH, USUALLY GREAT RESULTS. UH, WE ALSO NEED KNOWLEDGE. WE NEED A COMMON KNOWLEDGE. NOW. WE DON'T NEED ALL THE INFORMATION. WE NEED JUST ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GET THINGS DONE. SOMETIMES WE GET STUCK BECAUSE WE, WE GET INTO, YOU KNOW, PARALYSIS ANALYSIS, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE CONSTANTLY ASKING ANOTHER QUESTION. ANOTHER WHAT IF, AND, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PRIORITIES, I'LL EXPLAIN THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT, BUT, BUT IF, IF WE ALL START OFF WITH OUR OWN PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE, THAT'S OUR EXPERTISE, THAT'S OUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, THAT'S OUR, OUR, UM, UH, PERSONAL OPINIONS. WE HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE. BUT THEN WHEN WE COME TOGETHER WITHIN A GROUP, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOME COMMON KNOWLEDGE. AND SO HERE IN A MOMENT, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA SPEND SOME TIME, UH, SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. SO WE'RE GONNA GET FOUR DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS, JUST 10 MINUTES LONG OR SHORTER. AND THAT INFORMATION IS GONNA BE JUST TO MAKE SURE WE ALL HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN START WORKING TOGETHER. AND, AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE QUESTION AND ANSWER. BUT THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS SIMPLY TO CLARIFY THE INFORMATION. IT'S NOT TO SOLVE IT YET. SO I'LL, I'M THE REFEREE TODAY, SO I WILL POLITELY TELL YOU WE'RE NOT THERE YET. WE'LL GET THERE. SO IF YOU CAN TRUST ME, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT. AND SO SOME OF YOU, I MAY CUT OFF. UM, BUT, UH, SO KNOWLEDGE IS IMPORTANT. AND ULTIMATELY, DECISION AND ACTION. IF WE DO ALL OF THIS AND THERE AREN'T ANY, ACTUALLY ANY DECISIONS OR ACTIONS TAKING PLACE, THEN THIS, THIS IS JUST ACADEMIC, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME OF US, IT'S A LOT OF FUN. FOR OTHERS, IT'S REALLY PAINFUL. AND WE GO AND SAY, OH, THAT WAS A WASTE OF TIME. AND, AND WE DON'T WANNA WASTE ANYONE'S TIME. SO WE HAVE TO PUSH THIS TO ACTUALLY MAKING SOME GOOD DECISIONS. AND, AND HERE'S ONE OF THE DYNAMICS, AND I SHARED THIS WITH STAFF LAST WEEK, IS THAT THIS IS REALLY DIFFERENT FOR ALL OF YOU, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT ROLES AS STAFF AND AS COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND DURING THIS PROCESS, I'M GONNA ENCOURAGE YOU AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO, TO JUST BE LEADERS WHO ARE ALL WANTING TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN, WHO ARE WANTING TO BRING THE BEST SOLUTIONS TO THE TABLE. AND, AND THAT FOR SOME OF YOU THAT MAY BE AWKWARD. AND I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO EMBRACE THE AWKWARDNESS AND SHARE FREELY AND HAVE GREAT DISCUSSIONS THROUGHOUT THE DAY. AND WE WILL, WE WILL FINALLY LAND ON HOPEFULLY SOME GREAT PRIORITIES. SO, UM, UH, ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? OKAY. UH, SO TIME KEEPING'S GONNA BE A KEY PIECE TODAY. SO I AM, I WILL KEEP PEOPLE ON, ON CHECK ON TIME. I HAVE TO WATCH MYSELF, UH, BECAUSE I COULD KEEP GOING OVER AND OVER. UH, SO IF YOU GUYS ARE ALL GOOD WITH THAT, I WANNA INTRODUCE YOU ANOTHER CONCEPT THAT'S GONNA BE CORE TO WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON TODAY. SO WHO CAN TELL ME WHAT THIS IS? THUNDERBIRD. THUNDERBIRD. ALL RIGHT. WHAT ELSE? A CAR. A, A CAR, A TOY, A MODEL CAR, A MODEL. THAT'S IT, THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER. THIS IS, THIS IS 1955 T-BIRD. IT'S MY DREAM CAR. I'D PREFER THE 57, BUT I TAKE THE 56, 55, ANY OF THOSE THREE YEARS. BUT IT'S A MODEL. NOW, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT MODELS? MODELS? ARE THEY THE REAL THING? NO. NO. CAN YOU THINK OF A MODEL, UH, THAT IS, IS LARGER THAN THE REAL THING? ADAM AND ADAM? YEAH, ADAM. DNA, MOUNT RUSHMORE STATUES. YEAH. SO WE HAVE MODELS THAT THIS ONE IS SMALLER THAN THE REAL THING. WE HAVE TONS OF THOSE. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MOST OF OUR KIDS HAVE DONE THE SOLAR SYSTEM AT SOME POINT OUTTA STYROFOAM BALLS, MUCH SMALLER. WE HAVE, WE HAVE CARS, WE HAVE [00:10:01] TOYS. THE HOOD OPENS TO, UM, THAT. SO, SO WE HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT MODELS, EITHER SMALLER OR BIGGER THAN THE REAL THING, BUT THERE'S STILL JUST A REPRESENTATION. SEE, WHAT'S THE AMAZING THING ABOUT MODELS IS, IS THAT IT CONNECTS WITH OUR BRAIN BECAUSE OUR, OUR BRAINS ARE ALL ABOUT CREATING PATTERNS. AND SO A MODEL IS A WAY TO TAKE A CONCEPT AND TO BRING IT TO REAL LIFE. THAT'S WHY SPREADSHEETS WORK. THAT'S WHY PIE CHARTS WORK. THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY ORGANIZATIONAL CHARTS ARE IMPORTANT TO US, IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO SEE THE VISUALIZATION OF THE MODEL, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO TWEAK, TO CHANGE, TO MANIPULATE, TO SEE HOW WE CAN, WHAT THE POTENTIAL IS FOR CREATING A MODEL. TODAY, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON IS GONNA BE CREATING MODELS. AND, AND THERE'S TWO RULES OF MODELS THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS, UH, LATER ON, ON SOMETHING THAT, UH, ON THE SCENARIO IS AT THE VERY BOTTOM. BUT NUMBER ONE, NO MODEL IS PERFECT AND SOME ARE USEFUL. SO A MODEL IS JUST A MODEL. AND EVEN THOUGH THIS MODEL SPECIFICALLY, IT HAS A LOT OF GREAT DETAIL OUT OF ACTUALLY MATCHES THE REAL CAR, LIKE THE UPHOLSTERY, IT'S ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE THE REAL UPHOLSTERY, BUT IT'S PLASTIC. IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT IT'S A GREAT MODEL. AND SO, SO THE GOAL ISN'T TO GET TO PERFECTION WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH MODELS, AND MOST MODELS ARE SHORT TERM. THEY'RE MEANT TO BE ABLE TO BE, TO BE CHANGED, BE TO BE MOVED AROUND, OR TO BE DISCARDED. SOME OF THE WORST THINGS WE DO IS WE TRY TO CONTINUE OPTIMIZING MODELS THAT SHOULD NO LONGER BE USED. SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AS YOU'RE WORKING ON THIS TO BE BE WILLING TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS JUST A MODEL. AND THAT'S, AND I WANT YOU TO FEEL FREE AS YOU CREATE A MODEL TO JUST SEE WHAT HAPPENS. DON'T HOLD BACK BECAUSE IT'S NOT PERFECT IN YOUR OWN HEAD. AND SECOND, THE HARDEST MODEL TO CHANGE IS THE ONE THAT WORKS. IF YOU THINK ABOUT MOST ORGANIZATIONS, THE, THE MODELS THAT WORK, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE LONGEVITY, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE THE BEST MODELS. AND, AND I BET IT WOULDN'T TAKE MANY OF US LONG TO LOOK AT ANY OF THE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY AND SAY, HEY, LET'S GO FIND A MODEL THAT WORKS. BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT BEST BECAUSE THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF LIFE. WE CREATE MODELS BECAUSE THOSE PATTERNS ALLOW US TO GET A LOT, A LOT OF THINGS DONE QUICKLY, AND OVER TIME WE COLLECT THEM. SO THE RULE IS, IS JUST BE WILLING TO RECOGNIZE THAT JUST BECAUSE IT WORKS DOESN'T MEAN IT'S BEST. AND SO AS TODAY, AS WE WORK THROUGH MODEL CREATION, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY MAYBE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, THOSE MODELS THAT WORK, BUT MAYBE AREN'T BEST. SO YOU TRACKING WITH ME SO FAR? GOOD. ALRIGHT. SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO NOW IS WE'RE GONNA GO INTO THE KNOWLEDGE PHASE OF, OF OUR MORNING. AND AGAIN, THE RULES ARE EACH PRESENTER'S GONNA GET UP, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR 10 MINUTES OR LESS AT THE END. I'LL ASK YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM. THE QUESTIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, OR CLARIFICATION CLARIFICATION'S. REALLY BEST. IF YOU FIND YOURSELF WANTING TO MAKE COMMENTS TOWARDS THEIR INFORMATION, I'D ASK YOU TO REFRAME. 'CAUSE YOU COULD BRING, YOU'LL EVENTUALLY BE ABLE TO BRING THAT BACK. UM, UH, AND, AND SO WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS AND I HAVE THE, THE FOURTH ONE. SO TO START OFF, WE HAVE ANNETTE AND ANDY WHO ARE GOING TO GIVE US A OVERVIEW OF OUR, OF OUR PRESENT PRIORITIES. I THOUGHT IT WAS ANDY TOO. . GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE AND IF I START COUGHING. SO, UH, WHAT I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT, WHICH IS VERY BRIEF, I DON'T NEED THE WHOLE 10 MINUTES, IS JUST A REFRESHER ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH CURRENT COUNCIL PRIORITIES, WHICH WERE SET LAST YEAR, UM, OR I GUESS THIS YEAR BECAUSE IT WAS IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. AND IN THE PACKET, UM, COUNCIL AND IN THE PUBLIC PACKET, YOU GOT THE UPDATE, WHICH IS A LONG NARRATIVE AROUND EACH OF THESE ITEMS. UM, WHICH THERE IS A COPY AT EACH WORK TABLE TO REFER [00:15:01] TO IF YOU NEED TO GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO A SUMMARY SHEET OF WHAT THEY ALL ARE. AND SO AS A REFRESHER, UM, IN THE CURRENT YEAR, WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS THE TOP PRIORITY IS WILDFIRE PREPAREDNESS AND COMMUNITY RESILIENCE. SO YOU'LL REMEMBER LAST YEAR THIS WAS A REALLY HOT TOPIC, UM, AND WE'VE MADE A LOT OF STRIDES IN THAT RESPECT. UM, AND YOU CAN READ ABOUT THAT IN THERE AND HOPEFULLY YOU'VE ALREADY READ ABOUT IT. UH, COUNCIL ALSO WANTED US TO CONTINUE FOCUSING ON OUR CIRCULATION GOALS. AND I GUESS IF I CAN BACK UP, WE FRAMED EVERYTHING AROUND THE COMMUNITY PLAN LAST YEAR. UM, SO THERE'S A MODEL, THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND TRYING TO TIE OUR GOALS AND OUR STRATEGIES BACK TO THAT PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT WE ATTEMPTED TO DO THIS YEAR. UH, SO AGAIN, CIRCULATION GOAL, CONTINUE OUR TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS. UM, THERE WAS A GOAL AROUND PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM ENHANCEMENTS, WHICH AMBER'S BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD ON. UM, THE OTHER GOAL WAS OUR HOUSING GOAL, WHICH, UH, COUNCIL KNOWS WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD ON THAT, BUT THAT'S REALLY CHALLENGING WORK, UM, TRYING TO, UH, BRING THOSE PROJECTS TO LIFE AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY ON THOSE PROJECTS. UM, AND WE HAD OUR ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY GOAL, UM, WHICH COUNCIL LAST WEEK JUST TALKED ABOUT WASTEWATER WATER POLICY. UM, AND WE HAVE OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, UM, ITEMS THAT, UH, WE NEED TO STILL HAVE AN UPDATE ON. UM, BUT THERE IS AN UPDATE IN THE WRITTEN MATERIAL. I JUST MEAN IT A COUNCIL WORK SESSION. UM, WE HAD A LOT OF ACTIVITIES TIED AROUND OUR LAND USE SCHOOL, UM, WHICH AGAIN, STILL NEEDS WORK, BUT PRIMARILY AROUND THE WESTERN GATEWAY MASTER PLAN, OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. UM, AND THEN SOME, UM, ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT WERE ASPIRATIONAL BUT UM, HAVE NOT STARTED AROUND UPTOWN CFA AND THE WEST SEDONA CORRIDOR. UM, WE HAD A GENERAL COMMUNITY GOAL, UM, WHICH WE DID COMPLETE THOSE ITEMS RELATED TO THE ARTS AND CULTURE GRANTS AND OUR WORK AT RANGER STATION PARK, WHICH BY THE WAY, WE GOT A NATIONAL AND A STATE AWARD FOR THAT WORK. SO CONGRATULATIONS, PUBLIC WORKS. UM, AND THEN WE HAD OUR ECONOMY AND TOURISM GOAL, WHICH, UM, THE COUNCIL DID ADOPT THE TOURISM STRATEGIC PLAN THAT DEPARTMENTS WORKING ON THOSE STRATEGIES. AND UNDER THAT, WE ALSO HAD THE WORK ON BROADBAND, UM, THROUGH THE FEDERAL PASS THROUGH MONEY TO THE STATE ON BEAD, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY, UM, WITH THE CHANGE, UM, IN FEDERAL POLICY, UM, THE SEDONA AREA WAS NO LONGER ELIGIBLE FOR THAT FUNDING DUE TO THE CHANGE IN THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS. AND SO CHUCK AND HIS TEAM ARE WORKING HARD ON SOME ALTERNATES FOR THAT. UM, AGAIN, HIGH LEVEL, THAT'S WHERE COUNCIL DIRECTED OUR WORK IN THE YEAR THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. AND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON ALL OF THESE ITEMS. UM, SO THAT JUST SETS THE STAGE. AND MY ONE COMMENT WOULD BE WE'VE SET A LOT OF GOALS AND A LOT OF PROJECTS AND A LOT OF STRATEGIES AS PRIORITIES FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR. THE WORK WE'RE GONNA DO TODAY, HOPEFULLY WE WILL, UM, BE MORE LASER FOCUSED AND, UM, REALLY LIKE GET DOWN TO LIKE, REALLY A COUPLE OF REALLY CORE THINGS, UM, THAT WE'RE ALL GONNA PULL BEHIND INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, THE TRADITIONAL MODEL OF, UH, A LAUNDRY LIST OF ACTION ITEMS FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT. AND WHAT I WANNA REASSURE THE COUNCIL IS JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS NOT ON THE TOP PRIORITY LIST AT THE END OF THIS DAY, DOESN'T MEAN THAT ALL THE IMPORTANT WORK THAT ALL THE DEPARTMENTS DO AT THE OPERATIONAL LEVEL ARE GONNA STOP. ALL OF THAT'S STILL GONNA HAPPEN. WE'RE GONNA CARRY THROUGH ON ALL OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE INDEPENDENT MISSIONS WITHIN THE TEAM. UH, BUT MY HOPE FOR TODAY IS THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF REALLY BIG ITEMS THAT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, EVERYBODY'S GONNA RALLY AROUND AND REALLY LIKE DRIVE IT FORWARD. UM, SO WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I ALL RIGHT, THANKS. NA. OKAY. UH, NEXT WE HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THE KEY DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS. DO YOU NEED THE YES. LEMME GET THE, WHERE DO YOU WANT ME, JONATHAN? ANYWHERE YOU WANNA BE, AND THEN YOU JUST TELL ME YEAH. WHAT TO DO FRONT AND CENTER. THAT'S AWESOME. [00:20:05] IS THERE A CERTAIN PAGE ON THIS ONE? JUST START AT THE FIRST? YEAH. SO IT SHOULD START AT THE POPULATIONS, THE POPULATION, UH, PIECE. YEAH. DID IT END UP BEING A SEPARATE YEAH, CLICK ON THE SEDONA AND BRIEF AND YOUR STUFF WILL COME UP. AND THEN I DO HAVE A SEPARATE PAGE THAT FOLD IT. I THINK IT, YEAH, I THINK IT SHOULD GO DIRECTLY THERE. OKAY. THIS ONE? YEAH, I HOPE THERE'S NO SOUND. THERE IS NO SOUND. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, PERFECT. OKAY, SO IT'S JUST SIX SLIDES. UM, BUT, AND MOST OF THIS, I THINK EVERYBODY IS THIS ONE. OKAY. UM, MOST OF THIS I THINK EVERYBODY HAS SEEN BEFORE, BUT HOPEFULLY IT, I CAN SAY IT IN A WAY THAT IS, IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. UM, BUT WANTED TO HIT JUST A COUPLE OF THE KEY HIGHLIGHTS. UM, FIRST STARTING OFF WITH JUST GENERAL POPULATION AND, AND TODAY 2025 WE'RE ESTIMATED AT 10,048 PEOPLE. UM, WE PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE TO SHOW THAT OF COURSE YOU HAD, UM, A SPIKE IN POPULATION GROWTH AND THEN HAVE STARTED TO MAX OUT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. UM, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE NATURAL CONSTRAINTS OF THE LAND, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, PROBABLY BEING THE BIGGEST THING AND SIMPLY THE DESIRE NOT TO NECESSARILY OUTGROW THE COMMUNITY. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS WE WANNA HIGHLIGHT THOUGH, UM, KEY POINTS THAT'LL BE IMPORTANT HERE. 1988 YOU INCORPORATED AS A CITY 2017. UM, THE STATE DECIDED THAT, UH, THE CITY OF OTHER CITIES AROUND THE, THE, UH, THE STATE COULD NO LONGER BAN OR LIMIT, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THAT'S GONNA PLAY IMPORTANTLY HERE TOO. UM, 2020 COVID, THOSE ARE ALL JUST SIMPLE MARKERS TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION. THE OTHER PART OF THIS TO SHOW JUST PUTTING THE POPULATION IN PERSPECTIVE, UM, WE SHARE, UM, BEING THE LARGEST WITH COTTONWOOD. UM, WE ARE ALSO ALONG WITH COTTONWOOD, THE TWO EMPLOYMENT CENTERS FOR THE, UH, THE VERDE VALLEY. SO IMPORTANT TO KNOW AS WE GO THROUGH. SO NEXT SLIDE, ROW. OH, OH, THERE IT IS. DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, THE LINK. SO I JUST NEED TO GET THAT. IT'S GOT AN ARROW AT THE BOTTOM. OKAY. SORRY. JUST OPEN IT IN THE OTHER ONE. WHAT'S THAT? WELL JUST ARROW DOWN. YEAH. HERE. YEP. PERFECT. OKAY. , THIS IS MY FAVORITE SLIDE. OKAY. SO WE KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY IS AGING. WHAT WE HAVE NOT REALIZED, CERTAINLY WHAT I DIDN'T REALIZE IS THE PACE OF THE WAY THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS AGING. SO IF YOU LOOK AT 2010 TO 2025 IN 2010, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PIES ABOVE, LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT DYNAMICS THERE. SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT AT 2025, OUR MEDIAN AGE IS NOW 64.1 YEARS. BY 2030 PEOPLE, 65 AND OLDER WILL BE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN SEDONA. THAT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE PACE. UM, I'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, PARTICULARLY COMMUNITIES THAT ARE TOURIST ATTRACTIONS OR LIMITED BY, UM, BY GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARIES, ET CETERA. UM, THIS IS NEW TO ME THE PACE, THE FACT THAT WE'RE AGING THIS FAST. SO WE DO THIS TO BE ABLE TO SHOW WHAT THAT IMPACT IS. LOOK AT THE, THE POPULATION OF YOUTH, LOOK AT THE POPULATION OF OUR WORKING AGE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THOSE GROUPS ARE GETTING SMALLER AND SMALLER. AND THAT'S GOING TO ALSO BE IMPORTANT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION. UM, AND ALSO IMPORTANT AS WE DECIDE HOW WE WANT TO GROW AS A COMMUNITY IN THE FUTURE. SO YOU CAN SEE AT THE CHART AT THE BOTTOM THAT JUST SHOWS YOU AN EXAMPLE IN COMPARISON TO YAVAPAI COUNTY AND THE STATE OF ARIZONA. YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF OUR DEFICIT IN TERMS OF THE GAPS RELATED TO AGE AND OUR SURPLUS AS IT RELATES TO SENIORS. SO THIS PLAYS OUT SIMILARLY. AS WE LOOK AT HOUSEHOLDS, 13% OF OUR HOUSEHOLDS HAVE PEOPLE 18 YEARS AND OLD AND UH, OR YOUNGER. UM, THE REMAINDER DO NOT, BUT LOOK AT THE CHART THAT SHOWS YOU THE, THE, UH, THE NUMBER OF PERSONS PER HOUSEHOLD. MORE THAN ONE THIRD OF OUR HOUSEHOLDS IS JUST A SINGLE PERSON. SO ONLY 6.7% HAVE MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE. COMPARE THAT AGAINST THE HOUSES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO ALSO BE IMPORTANT AS WELL AS THE TYPES OF SERVICES AND THE TYPES OF COMMERCIAL NEEDS THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS. SO COMPARED, UM, IN TERMS OF AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SIZE, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE, AND THIS, THIS IS HOW IT PLAYS OUT. 1.9 PERSONS PER AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SIZE. WHEN WE COMPARE THAT, AND THERE'S A SPELLING ERROR THERE, I APOLOGIZE, UM, IN THE WORD AVERAGE, BUT [00:25:01] IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE VERDE VALLEY, YOU CAN SEE IN COMPARISON TO SOME OF OUR SISTER COMMUNITIES HOW THAT HOUSEHOLD, THE NUMBER OF PERSONS PER HOUSEHOLD IS BIGGER. WE ARE SMART. SO IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, OUR COMMUNITY AND IN COMPARISON TO OTHER COMMUNITIES, WE JUST DIDN'T PUT IT IN, YOU CAN SEE THAT IN TERMS OF BACHELOR'S DEGREE AND HIGHER, UM, WE ARE SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER IN TERMS OF OUR EDUCATION LEVEL, UM, THAN THE STATE AND YAVAPAI COUNTY. UM, IN TERMS OF INCOME, THIS OF COURSE PLAYS OUT WELL TOO. UH, WHAT'S INTERESTING IN, IN SEDONA IS IF YOU LOOK AT MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME AND AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCOME IN OUR COMMUNITY, YES, WE ARE HIGHER THAN SOME OF OUR OTHER COMMUNITIES, BUT IT'S NOT AS IMPRESSIVE AS ONE WOULD THINK. UM, THE DIFFERENCE THOUGH IS THE WEALTH INDEX. AND THE WEALTH INDEX IS A MEASUREMENT OF YOUR COMBINED WEALTH PER PERSON, NOT NECESSARILY THE AMOUNT THAT YOU BRING IN ANNUALLY. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE WEALTH INDEX AND THE WEALTH INDEX IS A MEASURE OF HOW, HOW WE COMPARE AGAINST THE AVERAGE IN THE AVERAGE ACROSS CITIES, ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. SO A HUNDRED IS AVERAGE, WE ARE 155. THAT'S INCREDIBLE. UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK ACROSS, THEN THIS IS WHERE YOU START TO SEE HOW THINGS PLAY OUT. IF YOU LOOK AT US COMPARED TO THE REMAINDER OF OUR SISTER CITIES IN THE VERDE VALLEY, WHAT YOU START TO SEE IS YOU HAVE COMMUNITIES VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK, FOR EXAMPLE, VERY CLOSE TO US. UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCOME MAY SEEM HIGHER IN SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WEALTH INDEX, IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER. OKAY? THIS IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT AS THE REST OF THIS PLAYS OUT. BUT WHAT THAT'S TELLING YOU IS THAT PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE HAVE OTHER MEANS OF INCOME WITH THEIR COMBINED WEALTH THAT COMES AS A RESULT OF AGE. HERE'S WHERE IT'S IMPORTANT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATS AS IT RELATES TO HOUSING, WE KNOW OUR HOUSING IS HIGH. WELL, IT'S HIGH TO THE POINT THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NORMAL PERSON'S PERCENTAGE OF INCOME REQUIRED OUT OF THEIR ANNUAL HOUSEHOLD INCOME FOR A MORTGAGE, IT WOULD REQUIRE 64.5% OF EVERYONE'S, OF EVERY PERSON'S, UM, EVERY HOUSEHOLD'S INCOME, RIGHT? SO THAT IS UNAFFORDABLE. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IT SHOULD BE, THAT NUMBER SHOULD LOOK LIKE 33%. WHY CAN WE AFFORD IT? BECAUSE OUR WEALTH INDEX IS SO HIGH AND BECAUSE THE DIFFERENT POPULATION THAT IS HERE HAS HAD TIME TO COME TO, TO BUILD WEALTH. IF YOU THINK OF THE FAMILIES THAT WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IN, IT'S HARDER BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE A HIGHER HOUSEHOLD INCOME, BUT THEY HAVEN'T HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY TO ACCUMULATE WEALTH TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD OUR HOUSING COST. WHAT'S ALSO INTERESTING WITH THIS IS IF YOU LOOK AT OUR OTHER COMMUNITIES, OUR SISTER COMMUNITIES, YES THEIR HOUSING IS LOWER IN TERMS OF THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE, THE MEDIAN HOME VALUE. BUT IF WE COMPARE THAT WITH WHAT WE CALL A HOUSING AFFORDABILITY INDEX, THAT MEANS THE ABILITY OF THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD TO AFFORD THE MEDIAN HOME VALUE, THEN WHAT WE SEE, WE ARE AT WHAT'S IS A 40, THIS, THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS A 100. WHAT THAT MEANS IS ROUGHLY BASICALLY THAT WE ARE INCREDIBLY, THERE'S INCREDIBLY LOW NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN AFFORD TO LIVE AND CAN AFFORD THAT MEDIAN VALUE HOME HERE, RIGHT? BUT IF WE LOOK AT ACROSS THE BOARD AT OUR SISTER CITIES, REMEMBER THAT A HUNDRED IS NORMAL. IF YOU ARE AT A HUNDRED, THEN YOUR MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD CAN AFFORD THE MEDIAN HOUSE VALUE. NOWHERE IN MOST OF OUR AREAS CAN THEY AFFORD TO LIVE THERE. WHAT THAT TELLS US IS THAT OUR SISTER COMMUNITIES ARE ALSO BECOMING UNAFFORDABLE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO ALSO KEEP IN MIND. WHERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE THEN GOING TO LIVE? THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUSH EVEN FARTHER OUT OR CHOOSE TO LEAVE THE VERDE VALLEY COMPLETELY. THE LAST SLIDE JUST SHOWS COMMUTING PATTERNS. AND THIS GOES BACK TO WHO WE DEPEND ON FOR OUR, OUR, OUR LOCAL ECONOMY. 80.2% OF OUR WORKFORCE COMES IN FROM OUT OF TOWN. WHAT'S INTERESTING IS WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM. SO WE WOULD EXPECT COTTONWOOD NOT A BIG SURPRISE, VER VILLAGE, NOT A BIG SURPRISE VILLAGE OF OAK CREEK. UM, NUMBER FOUR IS PHOENIX, NUMBER FIVE IS FLAGSTAFF. SO IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THOSE COMMUTING PATTERNS LOOK LIKE. BUT UM, OVERALL JUST A QUICK SNAPSHOT OF ONE, THE POPULATION, TWO, HOW THAT POPULATION PLAYS OUT, AND THREE, HOW THAT ENDS UP IMPACTING BOTH IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE HAVE [00:30:01] TO COME FROM TO WORK HERE, BUT ALSO OUR LIVABILITY AS A COMMUNITY. SO HOPEFULLY, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF I MADE THE 10 MINUTES OR NOT, I JUST START RAMBLING. BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES SOME INSIGHT IN TERMS OF HOW WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD. SO, OKAY, SO THAT'S IT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION, PETE? YEAH, QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION. I'D LOVE TO GO BACK TO SLIDE ONE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET THERE AND YOU DON'T, ALL THOSE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT YOU SHOW US, IN MY MIND, IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT OUR POPULATION IS GONNA DO THAT. ALL THE REST OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS PUSH AGAINST THE GROWTH OF POPULATION. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE DETAIL OF THAT POPULATION PREDICTION INCREASING IS REALLY BASED ON? SO THE POPULATION IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO INCREASE MUCH AT ALL. SO WHAT IT'S SAYING IS THAT WE GOT, YOU'LL SEE THERE WAS A SLIGHT DIP, 2010 AND 2020. UM, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT 2017 SHORT TERM RENTALS, YOU'LL SEE THAT COMPRESSION. THAT'S LIKELY WHAT CAUSED SOME OF THAT DIP. UM, BUT IF YOU THEN GETTING, WE'RE WE'RE ACTUALLY KIND OF BACK TO WHERE WE WERE IN TERMS OF 20, UM, IN TERMS OF 2010. SO WE'RE KIND OF BACK THERE. THE ESTIMATIONS, THE PROJECTIONS THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE FOR THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY. THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON US GROWING MUCH MORE. IT'S GONNA BE VERY INCREMENTAL FROM HERE ON OUT. UM, NATURAL CONSTRAINTS, UM, OUR DECISIONS ON HOW WE WANT TO GROW, UM, THOSE ARE ALL GOING TO IMPACT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH THAT GROWTH OCCURS, BUT IT'S GONNA PROBABLY REMAIN LIMITED. SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE ARE FOR A WHILE, TO BE HONEST. I DON'T EXPECT IT TO GO DOWN. DOES THAT HELP? YEAH, IT'S JUST A MODEL THOUGH. WE HAVEN'T EXACTLY. WE DON'T HAVE DATA THAT SHOWS THAT EVEN OUR POPULATION IS RECOVERED FROM THE DIP. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT DRIVES THAT. YEAH, CONCLUSION. SO THE NUMBERS SHOW THAT WE'RE BACK, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE BACK DIFFERENTLY. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT WHAT WE WERE BEFORE COVID. UM, IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, POPULATION. SO IN THAT REGARDS, SO YEAH, I AGREE. BRIAN. ATTORNEY, WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF DATA FOR THE 2025 POPULATION OF 10,048? BECAUSE I'M GUESSING ALL OF US ARE GOING, WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? YEAH, . SO, AND THAT'S GOOD. AND IT GOES BACK TO, TO PETE'S POINT, I MEAN EVERYTHING, HERE'S A PROFESSIONAL BEST GUESS, RIGHT? ONCE IT GETS PAST 2020. UM, SO 2025 DATA IS COMING FROM THE FIVE YEAR ESTIMATES IN THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY. OUR DATA SOURCES ESRI, UM, WHICH IS PRETTY RELIABLE. THEY'LL DO A ONE YEAR ANALYSIS. UM, IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE AT THE NEXT DECENNIAL CENSUS. THAT'S AS CLOSE AS WE EVER GET TO A TRUE, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR POPULATION IS. UM, BUT THEY LOOK AT ESRI, THE REASON I WENT BACK TO ESRI AS OPPOSED TO JUST RELYING ON, ON THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY IS ESRI DOES A BETTER JOB OF LOOKING AT A VARIETY OF VARIABLES AND THEN GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY AND DECIDING IF IT'S CORRECT. AND IF IT DOESN'T, THEN IT MAKES SOME CORRECTIONS. AND SO IT WILL CONSIDER OTHER VARIABLES IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, PERMITS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, OTHER TYPES OF THINGS THE CITIES PROVIDE. SO IT'S PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE TO, RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN IN THE LOWER TABLE WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE DAYTIME POPULATION, WORKERS', RESIDENCE, ET CETERA. YES. SO WHEN IT SAYS RESIDENCE 5,440, ARE WE TO READ INTO THAT, THAT 4,600 ISH LEAVES SEDONA AND COMMUTE? YEAH, SO WE HAVE, YEAH. SO WE HAVE A NUMBER, THE NUMBERS NEVER COMPLETELY SINK FOR WHATEVER REASON ON, IF I WAS TO SUBTRACT, FOR EXAMPLE, FROM 10,048 AND, UM, SUBTRACT 5,440 FROM THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR NUMBERS SHOW AND I'LL GO BACK AND VERIFY IT, BUT IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, IT SHOWS LIKE 26, 2700 PEOPLE LEAVE HERE TO GO TO OTHER PLACES TO WORK. UM, IT NEVER ACTUALLY SAYS WHAT MYSTERIOUSLY HAPPENS TO THE OTHER PEOPLE. UM, SO I'LL GO BACK AND RESEARCH THAT SO I CAN GIVE YOU A BETTER ANSWER, BUT THIS HAPPENS TO ME EVERY SINGLE TIME WE GO TO THE VORTEX. THAT'S RIGHT. , AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. SURE. I'M CURIOUS IF THE, THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE RATE AT WHICH WE'RE AGING YES. IS THAT A FOUR ALARM FIRE TO YOU? UM, THE, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT PUTS IN REFERENCE ONE WHY PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE BECAUSE OF THEIR WEALTH CAPACITY, NOT WHAT THEY BRING IN EVERY YEAR. UM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT. IF WE ARE INTENT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE ARE OKAY WITH THE IDEA THAT OUR, OUR YOUTH IS GONNA CONTINUE TO DECREASE AND [00:35:01] OUR WORKING AGE IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO DECREASE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY, THEN MAYBE NOT AS MUCH. BUT WHAT IT MEANS IS IN ORDER TO GET THOSE BACK, WE HAVE TO MAKE VERY SERIOUS DECISIONS, UM, IN HOW WE AND, AND THE TYPES OF THINGS WE DO TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. BECAUSE YOUR AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS EVEN, EVEN ROCKET SCIENTISTS ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COME IN HERE AND JUST DO IT OFF THEIR HOUSEHOLD INCOME. SO WE'VE GOTTA COME UP WITH OTHER WAYS TO MAKE THAT REALITY HAPPEN. IF IT'S IMPORTANT TO US. THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SAY WHY IT'S CRITICAL TO ME. DOES THAT HELP? SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION? MADAM MAYOR, WHERE IS THE DATA SOURCE FOR THE ECONOMICS IN NEW MEXICO? SO EVERY SINGLE SOURCE HERE, I ALMOST ALWAYS RELY ON ESRI, UM, AS MY FALLBACK, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DO A GREAT JOB OF SPOT CHECKING THEIR DATA. SO IT'S MUCH MORE RELIABLE. BUT ALL OF THIS INFORMATION STARTS WITH THE AMERIT, WITH THE FIVE YEAR AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY AND OTHER RESOURCES FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF THE CENSUS AND OR THE BUREAU OF THE CENSUS. AND, UM, SO, AND THEN ESRI WILL GO BACK AND REFINE BASED ON THESE NUMBERS. THE ONLY NUMBERS THAT DON'T COME FROM ESRI HERE ARE THE COMMUTE PATTERNS, AND THAT'S FROM ANOTHER CENSUS DATA SOURCE CALLED ON THE MAP. SURE. CHUCK, CAN WE GET A COPY? THIS IS GREAT. OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND THERE'LL BE MORE AS WE DO THE BALANCE HOUSING STRATEGY, WE WILL FLESH ALL OF THIS OUT AND WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK, YOU KNOW, SIX SLIDE, YOU KNOW, PRECURSOR OF, HEY, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE. SO, BUT WE'LL BE DOING ALL OF THIS ANALYSIS AND WE'LL BE DOING MOST OF IT FOR THE VERDE VALLEY SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW WE RELATE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU KEEP? AWESOME, THANK YOU SO MUCH. CERTAINLY WE TURN IT OFF OR KEEP GOING. JUST KEEP, THANK YOU, JOE. OKAY, SO NEXT I HAVE TO, I PUT THIS IN WAY SMALL FONT. UM, ALL RIGHT. ECONOMIC OVERVIEW, WHO'S PRESENTING? OF COURSE. AND CAN I HAVE THE THING? OKAY, THANKS. OKAY, SO I WON'T TAKE VERY LONG 'CAUSE YOU ALL HAVE FAIRLY RECENTLY SEEN A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION. OH, AND BY THE WAY, GOOD MORNING MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL COLLEAGUES, SORRY. UM, SO GO AHEAD. SO THIS IS THE MAP THAT YOU ALL SAW, UM, THAT IS FROM THE END OF OCTOBER, AND IT'S THAT BUSINESS CYCLE MAP, WHICH STATES ARE IN RECESSION, WHICH ARE TREADING WATER AND WHICH ARE IN GROWTH MODE. THE GREEN IS GROWTH, THE RED IS RECESSION, AND THEN YELLOW IS TREADING WATER. THE BIGGEST CONCERN, AND MOODY'S KIND OF REAFFIRMED THIS IN NOVEMBER AS WELL, THEY JUST DIDN'T DO LIKE AN UPDATED MAP BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY FORTUNE THAT DID THE MAP FROM MOODY'S DATA. UM, NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED. THEY'RE STILL CONCERNED ABOUT CALIFORNIA AND NEW YORK BECAUSE THEY ARE SUCH A LARGE PART OF THE US GDP, UM, AND THEY'RE TREADING WATER. SO THE CONCERN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THOSE TWO STATES SHOULD TIP INTO RECESSION, UM, THAT COULD TIP THE WHOLE COUNTRY INTO RECESSION, BUT ECONOMY ARE STILL SAYING WE ARE NOT IN RECESSION. UM, AND YOU WILL GET A LIKE REALLY GOOD ECONOMIC OVERVIEW FROM STERLING TOMORROW, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL REMEMBER, BUT HE CAME TO US FROM VANGUARD. SO HE HAS GOT LIKE, LIKE THE ECONOMIC CHOPS, . UM, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT IT THAT, YOU KNOW, RECESSION AND, AND REALLY AT RISK OF RECESSION ARE 22 STATES, THE LARGEST OF WHICH IS ILLINOIS. TREADING WATER IS 12 STATES. CALIFORNIA IS THE BIGGEST ONE THERE. AND THEN GROWING TEXAS IS THE LARGEST GROWING STATE, AND WE ARE ALSO GROWING A LOT OF THAT, NOT A LOT I SHOULD SAY. SOME OF THE DRIVERS FOR THAT ARE THE BIG DATA CENTERS AND AI GROWTH THAT THAT AREA. AND WE ARE SEEING A LOT OF THAT IN ARIZONA NOW, IN SEDONA SPECIFICALLY, NO, BUT WE ARE, UM, WE'RE NOT SEEING GROWTH, BUT WE'RE NOT SEEING, UM, A, A DROP IN EVERYTHING. WE'RE KIND OF SEEING A BIT OF STAGNATION IN OUR REVENUES. AND TOMORROW STERLING WILL GO INTO THAT AND YOU WILL ALSO HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM ANDREW IN TOURISM AND HE'LL GO OVER WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE THERE AND WHAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PREDICTING GOING FORWARD. AND I THINK, YEAH, SO THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, HEY, SAME THING BASICALLY NOVEMBER SINCE, UH, OCTOBER. AND YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN IS REALLY THE JOB GROWTH IS CONTINUING TO WEAKEN [00:40:01] AND TARIFFS ARE IMPACTING THE COST OF EVERYTHING. THOSE ARE THE TWO BIGGEST NEGATIVE DRIVERS ON THE ECONOMY. UM, OTHER STUFF IS JUST KIND OF, THERE'S GOOD THINGS LIKE ACTUALLY HOUSEHOLD WEALTH IS INCREASING, ODDLY, LIKE JOBS ARE GOING DOWN, HOUSEHOLD WEALTH IS GOING UP. UM, STERLING SHOWED ME THAT JUST DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY. OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE ON TO JONATHAN IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS. ABSOLUTELY. SO THIS MORNING THEY JUST RELEASED THE PSEUDO NUMBERS FOR JOBS AND UNEMPLOYMENT. HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO WHAT YOU JUST SHOWED US? BECAUSE UNEMPLOYMENT WENT UP TO 4.6, THEY THINK, AND THE NUMBER OF JOBS DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY. THEY THINK, SO HOW DOES THAT PLAY WITH WHAT YOU JUST SHOWED US? IT'S REALLY ON TREND FOR WHAT WE'RE SEEING THAT UNEMPLOYMENT IS REALLY STICKY AT AROUND 4.5%. UM, AND JOBS IS ONE OF THE BIG DRIVERS OF KIND OF KEEPING THE US ECONOMY JUST TEETERING ON RECESSION. SO YEAH, IT PLAYS RIGHT INTO IT. YEAH. RIGHT. YES. STEVE, A LITTLE BIT BIGGER PICTURE FOR THOSE OF US THAT AREN'T ECONOMIC MAJORS. UM, AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE REST OF THIS NEXT THREE DAYS, THE LOOMING POSSIBILITY RECESSION, HOW WOULD YOU BEST TELL US TO USE THAT THOUGHT IN OUR, IN OUR DECISION PROCESSES? I TH I WOULD SAY PRUDENCE IS PROBABLY OUR BEST SORT OF WORD FOR THE WAY WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT IS LIKE, WE'RE NOT IN RECESSION, BUT THE POTENTIAL IS THERE. SO AS WE'RE CONSIDERING, WHAT DO WE WANT TO INVEST MONEY IN, I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO BE VERY PRUDENT WITH, IS THIS SOMETHING WE WOULD DO IF WE WERE IN RECESSION OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PUT ON HOLD AND KIND OF IDENTIFY THINGS IN, IN THAT SENSE? OF COURSE. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT ON TO JONATHAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WHAT I'M GONNA SHARE WITH YOU IS MUCH LESS TECHNICAL 'CAUSE IT'S ABOUT PRIORITIES AND IT'S SOME OF THE PHILOSOPHY OF, OF HOW TO GET TO PRIORITIES. SO WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PRIORITIES, UH, THE WHOLE REASON WE DO IT IS BECAUSE PRIORITIES IS ALL ABOUT FOCUS. AND ONE OF THE KEY RULES THAT ALL OF US KNOW INNATELY, AND THAT'S THAT, THAT MULTIPLE PRIORITIES AREN'T REALLY PRIORITIES BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY FOCUS REALLY ON ONE THING AT A TIME. AND I'VE TOLD MANY PEOPLE, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH ME ON THIS, BUT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MULTITASKING. NOW, I KNOW A LOT OF, A LOT OF WOMEN WOULD TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH ME, , AND, AND YOU ARE MUCH BETTER THAN MEN BASED ON THE STUDIES AT GETTING TO SOMETHING CALLED MULTITASKING. BUT THE REALITY IS, IS EVEN WHEN THEY DO THE STUDIES, AND THEY'VE DONE THIS EVEN WITH, WITH PEOPLE DRIVING CARS, THEY SHOW THAT WE REALLY CAN'T FOCUS AT LEAST NOT OPTIMALLY. AND SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO, TO NARROW OUR FOCUS IN ORDER TO GET, TO GET THINGS DONE. AND I JUST WANNA SHARE WITH YOU JUST A, A, A FEW THINGS. SO, UM, ONE OF THE KEY PRINCIPLES IS THAT EVERY TIME WE SAY YES TO SOMETHING, WE HAVE TO LEARN TO SAY NO TO SOMETHING ELSE IF, AND I'M GONNA LET YOU SIT WITH THAT. I KNOW IT'S NOT, I SAY THIS TO MY KIDS ALL THE TIME. SO IF WE SAY, IT USUALLY STARTS WITH ECONOMICS, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, YOU WANT TO BUY THAT NEW INSTRUMENT, BUT IF YOU SAY YES TO THAT TODAY, THEN WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY NO TO LATER? IT'S VERY KEY THING. THE OTHER ECONOMY IS TIME. IF I SPEND TIME AND ENERGY ON THIS TODAY, THEN WHAT DO I HAVE TO SAY NO TO? ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS ARE THINGS THAT, AND OUR SOCIETY, OFTEN WE DON'T DO A GOOD JOB OF FORCING OURSELVES TO ASK BECAUSE WE SAY, CERTAINLY WE CAN GET IT ALL DONE. THERE MUST BE AN APP FOR THAT AND STOP THERE, . SO WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, SAY YES AND NO, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT DISCIPLINED TO SAY NO, THEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE PRIORITIES. YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE FOCUSED. UH, THE THIRD IS, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH TODAY, AND ANNETTE SPOKE TO THIS, IS JUST BECAUSE WE SAY SOMETHING IS A PRIORITY, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT OR YOUR PROGRAM IS NOT VALUED. I, I WANT YOU GUYS [00:45:01] TO SIT ON THAT FOR A SECOND. SO WITHIN EVERY ORGANIZATION ALWAYS HAVE OPERATIONAL OBJECTIVES. WE ALL HAVE THINGS THAT HAVE TO GET DONE EVERY SINGLE DAY. HOWEVER, EVERY ORGANIZATION, IF IT'S GONNA BE VERY EFFECTIVE, IT NEEDS TO HAVE CLEAR PRIORITIES BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO SAY RIGHT NOW IN THIS TIME AND SPACE, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR US TO FOCUS ON IS THIS. AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN NOTHING IS USUALLY DONE REALLY WELL. AND, AND IF, AND SO, SO NORMAL BUSINESS HAPPENS NO MATTER WHAT AND EVERY COMPANY IN EVERY ORGANIZATION. BUT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, BUT HERE'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. AND AS WE START DIVING INTO MODELS, THAT'S GONNA BE MY CHALLENGE FOR YOU, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ALLOWING YOURSELF THE FREEDOM TO THINK WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO TODAY FOR 2026 FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. NOT JUST WHAT'S IMPORTANT IN YOUR, IN YOUR DEPARTMENT. SO Y'ALL HAVE TO TAKE A BIGGER, BIGGER PERSPECTIVE ON THIS. ALRIGHT? UM, NOW ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE GET TO GET, TO FIND OUT WHAT OUR GREATEST PRIORITIES ARE, THE EASIEST WAY IS TO HAVE A CRISIS. AND, AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT A CRISIS IS THAT, UH, AND I KNOW THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, BUT WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT A CRISIS IS THAT, IS THAT IT FORCES US TO DECIDE WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. AND DURING A CRISIS, WE SAY, OKAY, NONE OF THIS OTHER STUFF'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS CRISIS HAS TO BE DEALT WITH. SO IF THERE IS A FIRE, WE WOULD KNOW WHAT TO FOCUS ON. WE'D, WE'D BE FOCUSED ON, ON CALLING FOR MORE HELP. YOU'D BE FOCUSED ON EVACUATION, WE'D BE FOCUSED ON EXTINGUISHING A FIRE. AND, AND IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TRAINED IN ORGANIZATIONAL SAFETY AND STUFF, OR IN HEALTHCARE, YOU'VE BEEN TRAINED OVER AND OVER AND AGAIN, THE WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO FIRST. AND 'CAUSE OUR BRAINS RECOGNIZE THE CRISIS AS AN ORGANIZATION, UH, THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT REALLY EXCEL AT BEING ABLE TO, TO CREATE PRIORITIES ARE THE ONES THAT SAY, LET'S PRETEND LIKE THERE'S A CRISIS. LET'S ASK THE HARD QUESTION OF WHAT IS REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT ALL OF US OF US HAVE TO GET AROUND AND RALLY AROUND IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH? AND THEN LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW EVERYONE ELSE AND ALL THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES NEED TO COME TOGETHER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT THING. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANNA CHALLENGE YOU GUYS, UH, TO DO TODAY, IS THE, IS TO KEEP WRAPPING YOUR HEAD AROUND THE, THIS IDEA PRIORITIES. UM, AND I HEARD CONSISTENTLY WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, I GOT TO SPEAK TO THAT, THAT THAT'S ALL OF YOU, ALL OF YOU, YOU HAVE, YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO PRIORITIES, TO CONSISTENT PRIORITIES THAT ALL OF YOU GUYS CAN FOCUS ON THAT THEN THE STAFF CAN FOCUS ON AND YOU CAN ALL GET THINGS DONE. SO, UM, UH, TIME, UH, TIME IS ONE OF THE TOOLS THAT WE USE IN ORDER TO GET TO PRIORITIES. SO, UH, DO YOU, HOW, HOW MANY STAFF MIGHT HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS A FEW TIMES, BUT THERE'S A, A GENTLEMAN NAMED PARKINSON, UH, SO HE CREATED THE PARKINSON'S LAW. I GUYS FAMILIAR WITH PARKINSON'S LAW. IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY A GREAT, REALLY GREAT LAW. UM, SO HIS, I'M JUST GONNA QUOTE IT, WORK EXPANDS SO AS TO FILL THE TIME AVAILABLE FOR ITS COMPLETION. SO IF YOU SAY, I'LL USE, I'LL USE MY SON WHO'S PROCRASTINATOR. UM, IF YOU SAY YOU HAVE EIGHT WEEKS TO ACCOMPLISH THIS PROJECT FOR YOUR ASTRONOMY CLASS, HOW MUCH TIME WILL HE TAKE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT? EIGHT WEEKS. EIGHT WEEKS, AND ONE MINUTE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE ALL DO. UH, ONE AUTHOR, UH, RECENTLY I READ ARGUED THAT THAT THAT NASA COULD HAVE HAD, HAD THE, UM, ASTRONAUTS ON THE MOON WITHIN HALF THE TIME, POTENTIALLY TO THREE YEARS AFTER ANALYZING THE, IF, IF JFK HADN'T SAID 10 YEARS, BUT, BUT HE SAID 10 YEARS BECAUSE ONE, IT WAS, IT WAS POLITICALLY ADVANTAGEOUS BECAUSE OF HOW IT WORKED OUT WITH THE ELECTION CYCLE. AND 10 IS A GOOD MARKETING NUMBER BECAUSE IT'S ROUNDED AND, AND IT'S SOLID. IT'S, BUT IT'S PRETTY ARBITRARY. BUT IN, IN LOOKING AT THE, THE NASA DEVELOPMENT, A LOT OF FOLKS THAT STUDY THIS KINDA STUFF SAY, YEAH, THIS COULD HAVE BEEN DONE WAY EARLIER. BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE FORCED TO USE TIME TO SAY, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS IN LESS TIME, OUR BRAINS AUTOMATICALLY [00:50:01] EDIT OUT WHAT WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND TIME ON. AND, AND SO WHEN YOU, UH, NOT THAT ANY OF YOU HAVE EVER EXPERIENCED THIS, BUT IF YOU'VE EVER EXPERIENCED HAVING TO CRAM TO GET A, A FINAL PAPER DONE, DON'T YOU EDIT SO MUCH BETTER BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU ARE, YOU'RE UNDER PRESSURE AND YOU KNOW THAT IT'S DUE TOMORROW AND ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING BECOMES REALLY CLEAR TO YOU WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID AND WHAT NOT TO BE SAID. AND SO YOU, YOU PUNCH IT OUT AND, AND YOU DO IT IN, IN WAY LESS TIME. SO, SO WE CAN USE TIME AS A TOOL TO, TO HELP US FIND OUR PRIORITIES AND HELP US TO FIGURE OUT ACTUALLY HOW TO GET THINGS DONE SOONER. AM I STILL TRACKING? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU GUYS AN EXAMPLE. SO JANUARY 17TH, UH, 1994, UH, EARTHQUAKE IN LA AND THIS IS A, THIS IS A CASE STUDY THAT THAT'S USED, UH, IN LEADERSHIP STUDIES AND, AND ORGANIZATIONAL STUDIES ALL OVER THE TIME. ALL, ALL THE TIME. SO THE SANTA MONICA FREEWAY COLLAPSED AND, AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WERE GRIDLOCKED. THEY, THEY DID NOT HAVE A NORMAL WAY IN CALIFORNIA TO BE ABLE TO GET TO WORK, TO BE ABLE TO GET TO HOSPITALS, TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE PLACES THEY NEEDED. IT WAS INITIALLY ESTIMATED THAT IT WOULD TAKE ANYWHERE FROM 12 MONTHS TO 18 MONTHS TO MAKE THE REPAIRS IN ORDER TO TO, TO GET IT ALL WORKING AGAIN. DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER HOW MUCH TIME IT TOOK? ALL RIGHT, OUR PUBLIC, I, SANDY, YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD , I JUST RAN. IT WAS REALLY FAST. IT WAS REALLY FAST. 66 DAYS. SO WHEN YOU STUDY THAT, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW THEY DID IT, THEY DID ALL THE THINGS THAT THAT THAT EVERY ORGANIZATION SHOULD. ONE, THEY HAD A CRISIS, SO THEY HAD UNITY AROUND THE CAUSE. EVERYONE AGREED, EVEN THE NEIGHBORS WHO HAD 24 HOUR CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, YOU KNOW, SAID WE WILL SUCK IT UP BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS WHAT'S NECESSARY. AND, AND THEY PUT UP TEMPORARY, YOU KNOW, SOUND BARRIERS AND STUFF TO TRY TO, TO ALLEVIATE THAT PAIN ON THOSE, ON THOSE NEIGHBORS. THEY AWARDED THE, THE CONTRACT TO A COMPANY THAT SAID WE CAN DO IT IN SIX MONTHS. AND THEY OUTPERFORMED THAT INCENTIVES WERE ATTACHED TO HOW FAST THAT THEY COULD GET IT DONE. THEY MADE BIDS ON SITE AND THEY WERE APPROVED THE SAME DAY. PLANS WERE, WERE WERE BEING REVIEWED WHILE CONSTRUCTION WAS STARTING. YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DID ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS BECAUSE THEY HAD ONE KEY PRIORITY AND THEY HAD TIME PRESSING THEM TO DO IT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, BUT SAFELY AND LEGALLY. BUT THEY FOUND NEW INNOVATIVE WAYS TO GET THINGS DONE AND THEY GOT IT DONE IN 66 DAYS. AND THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS COME BACK TO THAT, THAT CASE STUDY TO SAY, HOW DO WE GET THINGS DONE QUICKLY? SO AS, AS YOU, AS WE'RE GOING INTO THIS NEXT SESSION, THIS NEXT PIECE OF THE SESSION, WE'RE GONNA START THE MODEL CREATION. AND, AND I WANT YOU TO TAKE ALL THIS KNOWLEDGE AND ESPECIALLY THIS THIS PIECE ON THE PRIORITIES AS YOU'RE GETTING INTO THIS, IS THAT AS WE GET INTO THESE PRIORITIES, CHALLENGE YOURSELF TO TO ASK HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO I SAY NO TO IN ORDER TO SAY YES TO THIS? IF I HAD LE IF I HAD HALF THE TIME, WHAT WOULD I BE WILLING TO, WHAT WOULD MY MODEL REFLECT US DOING TO GET THAT DONE? UM, AND KEEP PRESSING YOURSELF AS YOU, AS YOU WORK IT OUT. ALRIGHT? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ON THAT? IN THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU GAVE, IT'S CLEAR CUT WHAT THE CRISIS IS. THE CRISIS IS A UNIFIER. THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU HAVE A SOFTBALL CRISIS VERSUS AN ACTUAL CRISIS MM-HMM . ONE PERSON'S CRISIS IS NOT ANOTHER, THE AGREEMENT MAY NOT BE THERE ABOUT WHAT TO, YOU KNOW, SUCK UP THE HARDSHIP TO MAKE IT DONE IN THE QUICK TIME. HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT PART. HMM. SO I HAVE ALL KINDS OF OPINIONS ON THIS, BUT IN THIS CONTEXT. SO IN, YOU KNOW, FOR PROFIT IT'S SO MUCH EASIER 'CAUSE SOMEBODY'S, SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE, WHETHER IT'S THE BOARD OR WHETHER IT'S THE CEO IS ULTIMATELY GETS THE POWER TO MAKE A DECISION. BUT THAT'S WHERE, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, I'M REALLY HOPING THAT, THAT THE [00:55:01] COUNCIL LANDS ON SOME CLARITY ON, ON WHAT NEEDS TO COME TO THE TOP OF THOSE DECISIONS. AND THAT BEHIND THAT CLARITY COMES YOUR CONVICTIONS TO, TO KNOW HOW TO USE THE POWER YOU HAVE, WHICH IS ONE VOTE. AND AND I, I KNOW TODAY WE DON'T VOTE, BUT FOR ALL OF YOU TO BE ABLE TO SAY, ALRIGHT, WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND, AND, AND WE HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, BUT IT REALLY DOES SEEM LIKE THIS IS THE OBVIOUS THINGS THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON. AND THAT'S WHY THE GOAL TODAY, AND I'LL READ IT HERE FOR YOU IN A SECOND, IS THREE PRIORITIES, WHICH SOME WOULD ARGUE THAT'S STILL TOO MANY, BUT, UH, AN IMPROVEMENT FROM 18, YOU KNOW, IS STILL A GREAT IMPROVEMENT. SO PHILOSOPHICALLY I'D SAY THAT'S WHERE LEADERS, ESPECIALLY ELECTED LEADERS, YOU HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO, TO GOVERN IN SUCH A WAY THAT SAYS, THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE IS BEST. AND I'VE BEEN, I'M REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR ME, BUT, BUT ULTIMATELY YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE HARD DECISION OF WHAT IS THE BEST BASED ON YOUR UNDERSTANDING. AND, AND THEN YOU GET TO DEBATE THAT AS COUNCIL MEMBERS IN PUBLIC AND HOPEFULLY A, A GROUP OF, OF SEVEN OR EIGHT COUNCIL MEMBERS LAND ON A GOOD DIRECTION. NOW THE HARD THING, HERE'S THE OTHER THING THAT USUALLY I SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT IN COLLABORATION WITH, WITH COMPANIES, IS THAT ONCE THE DECISION'S MADE, THEN EVERYONE NEEDS TO SUPPORT ITS SUCCESS. NOW I PERSONALLY THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO GOVERNANCE TOO. BECAUSE, BECAUSE ONCE A DECISION IS MADE, EVERYONE'S VOTES ARE TALLIED. IT'S SO MUCH BETTER FOR STAFF TO ACTUALLY EXECUTE IF THEY HAVE THE FULL SUPPORT OF, OF THE, OF THE BOARD, WHATEVER THAT BOARD IS. BUT THAT'S AN IDEAL WORLD. SO SOMETIMES THAT DOESN'T WORK. THAT'S THE ISSUE OF, OF PHILOSOPHY AND CONSCIENCE. ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DID I EVEN ANSWER THAT? OKAY, I CAN GO INTO PROFESSOR MODE, SO I APOLOGIZE. ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA SHIFT INTO MODELS AND UM, I'M GOING TO HAND OUT. CAN YOU, ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS GONNA BE HANDED OUT TO YOU. SO THIS IS A SCENARIO. WE'RE GONNA START WITH INDIVIDUAL MODEL CREATION. AND THIS IS YOUR SCENARIO. I'LL READ IT TO YOU AND YOU'LL GET TO READ IT HERE IN A SECOND. IT IS ONE YEAR IN THE FUTURE, DECEMBER 20, 26. AND WE ARE CELEBRATING THAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THREE PRIORITIES FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. NOT ONLY HAVE WE ACCOMPLISHED THE PRIORITIES TOGETHER, BUT WE HAVE DONE IT WHILE INCREASING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, FOSTERING OPEN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN COUNCIL, STAFF AND CITIZENS. SO CREATE A MODEL OF SUCCESS BY USING THE QUESTIONS BELOW TO GUIDE AND SPUR YOUR THINKING. AND THESE ARE JUST, THESE ARE POSSIBILITIES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS. THIS IS JUST TO GET YOUR BRAIN THINKING, WHAT ARE THE THREE PRIORITIES THAT ARE ACCOMPLISHED? WHAT MADE IT POSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE THESE PRIORITIES? WHAT WERE THESE PRIORITIES? HOW WERE THESE PRIORITIES ACCOMPLISHED? WHAT WERE THE MILESTONES OF THESE PRIORITIES? HOW DID THE COUNCIL AND STAFF WORK TOGETHER TO ACCOMPLISH THESE PRIORITIES? HOW WAS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGED IN THE MIDST OF THE PROCESS? WHAT CHANGES HAD TO BE MADE TO MAKE THIS A SUCCESS? WHAT WERE THE KEYS TO SUCCESS? WHAT HAD TO BE TOLD NO SO THAT THE PRIORITIES COULD BE TOLD? YES. WHAT BARRIERS DID YOU ENCOUNTER IN THE COMPLETION OF THESE PRIORITIES? HOW WERE THEY OVERCOME? HOW WERE YOU ABLE TO COMMUNICATE BOTH WITHIN THE LEADERSHIP AND WITH THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY? WHAT WAS THE BIGGEST SURPRISE YOU FACED DURING ALL OF THIS? HOW DID YOU PERSONALLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE SUCCESS OF THESE PRIORITIES? AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM, DON'T FORGET, NO MODEL IS PERFECT. SOME ARE USEFUL. THE HARDEST MODEL TO CHANGE IS THE ONE THAT WORKS. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. SO ALL OF YOU WERE, WERE ASSIGNED A TABLE BASED ON WHATEVER, UH, SEDONA DESERT, UH, ANIMAL INSECT, UH, REPTILE, I GUESS WE HAVE ALL REPRESENTED. UM, UH, SO YOU'RE GONNA GO TO THAT TABLE. AT THE TABLE. THERE ARE, THERE'S POSTER BOARD AND, AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CREATE YOUR MODEL ON THAT POSTER BOARD. NOW, A MODEL CAN BE WHATEVER YOU WANT, IF YOU'RE A BULLET BULLET POINT PERSON, A BULLET POINT. IF YOU'RE ALL NARRATIVE, THAT'S FINE. IF YOU WANNA CREATE A MIND MAP, GRAPHS, [01:00:01] TECHNICAL STUFF, FLOWERS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SHARPIES ON THE TABLE FOR YOU TO USE. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO THIS FIRST AS AN INDIVIDUAL. AND THEN WHEN WE GET DONE WITH THAT, THEN AT YOUR TABLE YOU'LL START CONSOLIDATING AND I'LL GIVE YOU NEW INSTRUCTIONS FOR HOW TO CONSOLIDATE A, A MODEL AROUND YOUR TABLE. ANY QUESTIONS YET? HOW MUCH TIME YOU'LL HAVE 30 MINUTES. NOW, AGAIN, GOING WITH THE THEORY OF TIME, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFICULT TO GET DONE IN 30 MINUTES. IF IT'S, IF IT'S TOO EASY, IF I GIVE YOU GUYS HOURS, THEN WE'LL ONE, WE WON'T GET ANYTHING DONE, BUT YOU WON'T AUTOMATICALLY EDIT. SO, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION BETWEEN INDIVIDUAL AND GROUP. SAY AGAIN? YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION BETWEEN THE INDIVIDUAL MINORITIES PORTION AND THE GROUP PORTION IN TERMS OF THE 30 MINUTE TIME? OH NO. SO 30 MINUTES IS JUST YOUR INDIVIDUAL MODEL. AND THEN AFTER THAT I'LL GIVE YOU A BULK OF OTHER TIME. YOU GUYS WILL ALL PRESENT TO EACH OTHER AND THEN YOU'LL START WORKING ON THIS. SO I'LL GIVE YOU TIMEFRAMES EACH TIME. AND THERE'S TIMERS. SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE GROUP, THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A TIMEKEEPER. SO I'LL WALK YOU GUYS ALL THROUGH IT RIGHT NOW. IF YOU COULD JUST ALL GO TO YOUR TABLES. JONATHAN, YOU MENTIONED THE MARKERS. OH YEAH, SO ON THE UP, UM, FLIP CHARTS. ONE SIDE IS A WHITEBOARD AND WE HAVE SHARPIES PERMANENT MARKERS ON THE TABLE TOO. SO PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU DON'T USE THE PERMANENT MARKER ON THE WHITEBOARD. WE'RE NOT TERRITORIAL OR HERE. I'M GONNA MOVE THIS GUYS. HELLO. HELLO, HOW ARE YOU? AND FEEL FREE TO MOVE THE FLIP BOARDS FOR NOW. OKAY, SO IT'S EXACTLY 11 O'CLOCK RIGHT NOW. AND SO AT 1130 I'LL GIVE YOU YOUR NEXT INSTRUCTIONS. WHERE AT WE SEE, OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET READY TO MOVE TO THE NEXT PHASE. DO WE HAVE EVERYONE BACK IN THEIR SEATS? ALMOST? OKAY. IF ANYONE'S MISSING, JUST HAVE TO CATCH 'EM UP, UH, WHEN THEY COME BACK TO YOUR TABLE. ALRIGHT, SO AT THIS STAGE YOU ALL HAVE INDIVIDUAL MODELS. NOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO IS, IS EVERY INDIVIDUAL IS GOING TO PRESENT THEIR MODEL TO THE GROUP THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE WITH. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES EACH. EVERY TABLE HAS A TIMEKEEPER, WHICH IS RE DESIGNATED AND YOU GUYS KNOW WHO YOU ARE. SO GRAB THOSE TIMERS AND YEAH, ALL RIGHT, ALL VERY, I GOT THE SIMPLEST TIMERS I COULD FIND. SO, SO THERE'S NO TECH ISSUES. UM, THERE IS THE ON AND OFF SWITCH ON THE SIDE. OKAY? SO THIS IS, THIS IS HOW, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE. EVERY PERSON HAS THE FIVE MINUTES TO PRESENT. AND THEN JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE, THE KNOWLEDGE SECTION, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION, HOLD YOURSELF BACK FROM ENGAGING. 'CAUSE ALL OF YOU'RE GONNA BE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE MODELS THAT COME UP. YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, AVOID THE TEMPTATION OF DIVING INTO SOLVING OR ADDING OR SAYING, I SAID THAT TOO. OR, YOU KNOW, STAY FOCUSED. ALLOW EVERYONE TO SHARE THEIR FIVE MINUTES. AND THEN AT THE END WHEN EVERYONE IS SHARED, THEN YOU'RE GONNA START CONSOLIDATING THAT TOGETHER. AND THIS IS WHERE YOU PULL OUT THE, THE WHITEBOARDS, THE, THE FLIP CHARTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. YOU PUT THOSE BACK ON YOUR TABLE, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE NOTE TAKER AND YOU START HAVING THE QUESTION START, ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. UM, WHAT ARE THE COMMON, THE COMMONALITIES AMONGST THE DIFFERENT MODELS THAT YOU ALL SHARED? UH, WHAT ARE THE DISAGREEMENTS? WHAT ARE THE NEW CONCEPTS OR IDEAS THAT YOU WANTED TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT? OR WHAT, WHAT CAME TO THE SURFACE? IT'S JUST VALUABLE [01:05:01] THAT YOU, THAT YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAPTURE AND OUT OF THAT YOU'RE GONNA CREATE A NEW MODEL. NOW, A PART OF MODEL CONSOLIDATION IS THAT, IS THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO REPRESENT EVERYONE'S IDEAS. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE GOAL. IT'S NOT TO CREATE A, A FRANKENSTEIN OF A MODEL. THE GOAL IS TO LET THE BEST AND MOST CONSISTENT IDEAS COME TO THE SURFACE AND TO GRAB THE GEMS THAT NO ONE ELSE THOUGHT OF, BUT THE ONE PERSON AT THE TABLE THOUGHT IT, AND EVERYONE ELSE SAYS THAT'S A KEEPER, AND YOU WANNA BRING THOSE UP AND THEN CREATE A NEW MODEL, AND YOU HAVE AN HOUR TO DO ALL THIS. SO THE BIGGEST GROUPS ARE FIVE PEOPLE. SO ABOUT 25 MINUTES OF PRES OF INDIVIDUAL PRESENTATION, AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THE TIME FOR YOU ALL TO, TO GO AHEAD AND, AND CONSOLIDATE THAT MODEL. UH, ANY QUESTIONS? SO DOES EACH PRIORITY HAVE A MODEL OR IS THERE A MODEL THAT HAS THREE PRIORITIES? IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU CREATED. SO, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A PART OF THE PROCESS IS YOU GET TO FIGURE IT OUT. . YEAH, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY ENGINEERS ARE AT THE TABLE. . . SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SO TIMEKEEPERS, GET YOUR TIMERS OUT AND PRESENT. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO START PRESENTING. OKAY? SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE A MINUTE. YOU GUYS SHOULD BE, YOU GUYS SHOULD BE READY TO PRESENT. I ALMOST HAD THAT RIGHT? I WAS GONNA ASK. ALL RIGHT. YOU SHOULD BE, YOU SHOULD BE ABOUT READY TO PRESENT. IS THERE ANY GROUP THAT'S NOT READY TO PRESENT? IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU SOLVED IT OR HAVE THE PERFECT MODEL, IT JUST MEANS THAT YOU'RE READY TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP. OKAY? SO HOW MANY OF YOU ARE STILL NEEDING A TABLE TO EAT OUT? I DON'T WANNA MAKE THIS DIFFICULT ON YOU. THERE'S COOKIES UP HERE, BY THE WAY THAT PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO FIGURE OUT. I TOLD YOU I WE'RE NOT GONNA DO A BREAK, BUT WHAT I THINK, FOR THE SAKE OF ALL OF YOU, ONE, IT'S A GREAT TIME FOR SUGAR. SO, SO IF YOU WANNA COME UP AND YOU CAN EITHER STAY WHERE YOU'RE AT, YOU'RE STILL EATING, YOU STAY AS A GROUP, YOU CAN COME OVER HERE TO THE MAIN, MAIN SESSION. EVENTUALLY I NEED EVERYONE BACK OVER HERE IN THE MIDDLE. GRAB A COOKIE, GO TO THE RESTROOM. BUT I'LL GIVE YOU FIVE MINUTES TO GET YOURSELF SETTLED, AND THEN WE WILL START RECORDING TO THE MAIN GROUP. OKAY? NOW, DO WE HAVE EVERYONE IN THE ROOM? I'M COUNTING CHAIRS AND PEOPLE ARE STILL MOVING. MM-HMM. OKAY. SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO NEXT. EACH GROUP IS GONNA SEND UP THEIR REPRESENTATIVE. YOU NEED TO SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE AND YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT, SO YOU CAN BRING UP YOUR WHOLE BOARD, SET IT ON THE TABLE FOR PRESENTATION, AND, AND YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES TO EXPLAIN WHAT, WHAT MODEL YOU ALL CAME UP WITH. ALRIGHT? AND THEN WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THAT, UH, WE'LL STILL DO, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS FOR, FOR CLARIFICATION AT THE END OF EACH PRESENTATION. I'LL TRY TO KEEP THAT PRETTY SHORT. AND THEN AT THE END OF THAT, WE WILL START CONSOLIDATING INTO ONE MODEL, WHICH IS, THAT'S GONNA BE THE HARD WORK. SO DO YOU GUYS FEEL LIKE YOU'RE WORKING SO FAR? GOOD. ARE YOU HAVING FUN? YES. WELL, GOOD, BARBARA, I'M GLAD YOU AND I ARE HAVING FUN. . OKAY. I'M GONNA READ THIS SCENARIO TO YOU AGAIN. IT IS ONE YEAR IN THE FUTURE, DECEMBER, 2026, AND WE ARE CELEBRATING THAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THREE PRIORITIES FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. NOT ONLY HAVE WE ACCOMPLISHED THE PRIORITIES TOGETHER, BUT WE HAVE DONE IT WHILE INCREASING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, FOSTERING OPEN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN COUNCIL, STAFF AND CITIZENS. ALL RIGHT. WHICH GROUP WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT? MEMBERS? UH, WHO'S THE JAVELINAS? ALL RIGHT, . [01:10:02] OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, UH, BARBARA WHITEHORN REPRESENTING THE JAVELINA SQUADRON. UM, THAT WAS ME, STEVE MERTIS, AMBER WAGNER, WHOSE LAST NAME I GET WRONG ALL THE TIME. UM, KURT CHRISTENSEN AND COUNSELOR PETE FURMAN. SO WE HAVE MULTIPLE SORT OF THREE THING, LIKE THREE LEGGED STOOLS GOING ON. SO WE'RE STARTING WITH, WE HAVE TO HAVE COUNCIL, STAFF AND COMMUNITY, LIKE ALL SORT OF WORKING IN THE SAME DIRECTION. AND WHAT OUR MAJOR OVERARCHING THEME IS, IS THAT WE NEED A SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND A SHARED MISSION. SO THAT'S WHERE WE, WE LIKE LANDED FOR THE WHOLE THEME. AND THEN WE HAVE THE THREE AREAS, WHICH WERE HOUSING, TRANSIT, AND FIREWISE HOUSING, OF COURSE INCLUDES LIKE WESTERN GATEWAY. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT LIKE SAYING WESTERN GATEWAY. UM, AND THEN WE NEED A SHARED VISION WITH THE COMMUNITY. AND IN ORDER TO GET THERE, WE HAVE TO REALLY LIKE UP OUR COMMUNICATIONS GAME. WE HAVE TO ENGAGE CHAMPIONS AT THE STAFF LEVEL, THE COUNCIL LEVEL, AND WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN WE HAVE TO COLLABORATIVELY WORK TOWARDS THE GOALS. UM, THAT SHARED VISION, IT'S CHALLENGING TO GET A SHARED VISION WITH A WHOLE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE ON BOARD WITH EVERYTHING. SO OUR THOUGHT WAS IS THAT YOU KIND OF START WITH FIREWISE BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND NOT BUY INTO THE IDEA OF BEING FIREWISE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE BEHIND, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE CHALLENGING. AND SORT OF JUST START THERE WITH COMMUNITY CHAMPIONS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY ENGAGED IN THAT. AND THEN HAVE THOSE PEOPLE KIND OF HELP US IDENTIFY CHAMPIONS IN THE OTHER AREAS AND START CREATING MORE TRANSIT CONNECTIONS THAT CAN MOVE TOURISTS OFF THE STREET. LIKE, UM, COUNCILOR FURMAN COMMENTED THAT THERE ARE SOME, THERE'S SOME TRAFFIC WE'RE NEVER GONNA CHANGE. LIKE, PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING THROUGH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA STOP AND PARK THEIR CAR AND THEN GO BACK TO IT AND LEAVE. IF THEY'RE REALLY GOING THROUGH AND JUST WANTING TO SEE SEDONA ON THEIR WAY TO THE GRAND CANYON, LIKE WE PROBABLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT. BUT CREATING THE ABILITY FOR LIKE, TOURISTS TO GET TO THEIR HOTEL, LEAVE THEIR CAR THERE, AND NEVER GET IN THEIR CAR AGAIN UNTIL THEY DRIVE AWAY FROM SEDONA WOULD HELP US. AND OBVIOUSLY WITHIN THAT IS MORE SORT OF ON DEMAND OR SHUTTLES OR CONNECTORS THAT ARE CONSISTENTLY RUNNING, UM, REALLY FREQUENTLY. HOUSING, WE IDENTIFIED THAT WE NEED ATTAINABLE WORKFORCE AND MISSING MIDDLE CLASS HOUSING. YOU KNOW, LITECH PROJECTS ARE VERY RESTRICTED IN INCOME, AND MUCH OF OUR PROFESSIONAL WORKFORCE IN SEDONA IS ABOVE THAT LEVEL. SO IT'S HOW DO WE ADDRESS THOSE NEEDS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE MORE, MORE INCOME THAN THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS, BUT STILL CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. SO WE HAD, YOU KNOW, SOME IDEAS ON THAT. AND I GUESS THAT'S ABOUT IT. IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE I SHOULD SAY? Y'ALL? THERE IS AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. OH YEAH. WE DID COME UP WITH LIKE IMPLEMENTATIONS AND THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO DO IN EACH ONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO, DO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT? NO. OKAY. SO , STOP IT. JUST, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION? WE, OH, WE'RE JUST THAT GOOD? YOU HAVE NO QUESTION. I'M KIDDING. NONE. ALL RIGHT, COOL. OKAY. AND I'M GONNA CALL ON THE RATTLESNAKES. IS THAT COOL? THAT'S COOL. OKAY. I JUST FIGURED YOU GET TO CALL THE NEXT TEAM THE RULES HERE, LET, LET ME BE CUR FOR YOU. YES. CAN YOU THIS UP HERE FOR YOU. RATTLE. I WAS TOLD, NOT VOLUNTEER. OKAY, LET'S GIVE KURT YOUR ATTENTION. THERE YOU GO. FONT SIZE. I WAS TOLD I HAVE TO PRESENT. NOT, UH, ASKED. SO WE HAD A LOT OF SIMILAR THINGS THAT BARBARA DID. WE WERE THE RATTLESNAKES, COME ON, RATTLESNAKES, , MELISSA DUNN, CHUCK HARD AND CHIEF BULLY, AND MYSELF, KURT HARRIS. SO IT'S A QUALITY OF LIFE. THIS IS OUR VISION. WE TALKED ABOUT, WE [01:15:01] TRIED TO GET TO THREE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND WE FIGURED WE ONLY HAVE ONE YEAR, SO WE DROPPED IT TO TWO. UM, DEMOGRAPHICS IS ANOTHER TERM THAT WE JUST SAID. A PRIORITY. IT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE HOUSING IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, OUR ACTION ITEMS TO GET THERE IS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AND DECIDE WHO ARE WE NOW AND WHERE DOES THIS COMMUNITY WANT TO BE IN THE FUTURE. UM, WE CREATE THAT SHARED VISION OF WHAT SEDONA IS TALKING ABOUT. WHAT THAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE AS A COMMUNITY? AND THE OTHER PART WAS SAFETY, BIG, TIDY. THIS WAS TRANSPORTATION. AND IN THAT WAS HOW WE'RE GONNA DELIVER THERE AS THAT CONNECTIVITY. MOBILITY, WHICH WAS THE EMERGENCY SERVICES AND SO ON, WE ALL AGREED WAS A LITTLE BIT LOWER PRIORITY BECAUSE WE ARE SAFE COMMUNITY, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF GREAT WORK AND BEING A LEADER IN THIS. UM, SO IT KIND OF REALLY WENT TO DEMOGRAPHICS, UH, BIG TIME ON ALSO EXTENDING, EXPANDING OUR TRANSIT, EVERYTHING THAT BARBARA EVEN MENTIONED ON THAT. AND CREATING THOSE INGRESS, EGRESSES FOR THOSE, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS TO PROVIDE THAT CONNECTIVITY AND THAT RESILIENCY FOR EVACUATIONS, EMERGENCY ACCESS AND SO ON. UH, FLOOD WISE, UH, FIREWISE IS ALL PART OF THAT AS WELL. SO, PRETTY SIMPLE. WE TRY TO KEEP IT REALLY HIGH LEVEL AS OUR MODEL QUESTIONS. I JUST WANNA SAY WE DO HAVE SOME IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AS WELL, BECAUSE WE HEARD THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. SO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS YOUR EAVE, WE WERE COMPETITIVE IN THIS CROWD, THE COMMUNITY UNDER THAT PRIORITY. WHAT WOULD THAT ENTAIL? BECAUSE I GET, YOU KNOW, HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WHAT, WHAT'S THE PRIORITY? IT'S ALL THAT SENSE OF WE NEED TO BRING IN THE COMMUNITY AND HOW ARE WE GONNA DEFINE THAT COMMUNITY WAS THE ECONOMIC DRIVERS OF MAKING IT MIXED USE, BRINGING PEOPLE HERE, PROVIDING THAT ECONOMIC STIMULUS. SO THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY IS WHAT WE, WE WANT TO FOCUS ON ON THE DEMOGRAPHICS. YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION. YOU GUYS ARE BEING VERY DISCIPLINED. THANK YOU. I GET DID YOU GET TO PICK THE NEXT TEAM? YEAH, THE NEXT TEAM. OH, ROADRUNNERS. THEY EAT SNAKES. I'M OUTTA HERE. . SURE. NO. ALRIGHT. SO WE HAD SOME VERY SIMILAR IDEAS AS WELL. WHAT WE HAD IN COMMON WERE HOUSING AND JUST LIKE OTHER GROUPS THAT INCLUDES WESTERN GATEWAY AS WELL AS OTHER PRIORITIES THAT FALL UNDER THAT. WHAT DID WE CALL IT? KIND OF THE, THE CORE PRIORITY. THEN COMMUNITY, WE HAD THAT AS WELL. SO THAT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT FALL UNDER THAT WOULD BE LIKE HOME RULE. WHAT'S, WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY? BUILDING TRUST, THE ISSUE WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WITH THE, UH, THE AGING COMMUNITY AND HOW WE DEAL WITH THAT. AND THEN ENGAGEMENT. SO WHAT WE REALIZED AS WE TALKED THROUGH ALL OF THIS WAS THAT ENGAGEMENT WAS SOMETHING THAT WASN'T REALLY A PRIORITY IDENTIFIED, BUT IT WAS COMMON AND IT WAS VERY IN DEPTH AND A LOT WAS, UH, INCLUDED WITH THAT. SO WE ENDED UP MAKING THAT A THIRD PRIORITY. AND UNDER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE BUILDING ON THESE. SO THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD UP HERE WERE WHAT DID WE HAVE IN COMMON? WHAT DID WE DISAGREE WITH? WHAT ARE NEW CONCEPTS? SO NEW CONCEPTS THAT FELL UNDER ENGAGEMENT HAD TO DO WITH BUILDING SUPPORT FOR PROGRAMS AND PRIORITIES AND PROJECTS AHEAD OF TIME. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE COMING IN, DELIVERING A PROJECT, DELIVERING SOME DELIVERABLE, WHATEVER IT IS. AND WE'RE FINDING OPPOSITION WHEN WE DIDN'T REALLY TRY TO ENGAGE UPFRONT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE MORE PROACTIVE WITH THAT. IN, IN THIS CONCEPT. AND THIS INCLUDES, UM, SOMEBODY WAS SAYING EARLIER, YOU'VE GOT CHAMPIONS, UH, WITHIN STAFF COUNCIL COMMUNITY, ENGAGING WITH ALL OF THEM. AND THEN PART OF THAT ENGAGEMENT IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MODEL AND HOW YOU DELIVER THIS, IT'S ABOUT HOW DO YOU BE EFFICIENT? AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT LESS MEETINGS, [01:20:01] UM, EFFICIENT MEETINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT. FINDING WAYS TO GET THE INFO INFORMATION OUT THERE AND TO COUNSEL AND TO PEOPLE THAT NEED IT EFFICIENTLY AND NOT WASTING TIME, UH, ON THINGS THAT ARE NOT A PRIORITY. SO THAT MEANS GIVING QUICK UPDATES, FEWER NON-PRIORITY TYPE MEETINGS, BEING PROACTIVE, UM, IN DEVELOPING STRATEGIES AROUND THAT WHERE WE DISAGREED. UM, ONE OF US NOT NAMING NAMES, UH, IDENTIFIED CIRCULATION AS A PRIORITY. NOT EVERYBODY AGREED ON THAT. SO IT DIDN'T BECOME ONE OF THE CORE. AND THEN ECONOMY WAS ALSO ANOTHER, UH, PRIORITY THAT WAS IDENTIFIED BUT DIDN'T BECOME A, A CORE PRIORITY. I THINK THAT PROBABLY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT FALL UNDER THAT ACTUALLY FALL WITHIN THOSE OTHER CORE PRIORITIES THAT WE IDENTIFIED. THEN WHAT DID WE FIND VALUABLE IN EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY COME, CAME UP WITH HERE, IT WAS ABOUT FINDING A NEW FOCUS FOR THESE CORE PRIORITIES. UM, BEING ABLE TO SAY NO AND MAYBE IT'S A POSITIVE NO TO THE THINGS THAT ARE JUST NOISE AND NOT A PART OF THOSE CORE PRIORITIES. AND DEVELOPING THE CRISIS MINDSET. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CORE PRIORITIES, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THOSE ARE ELEVATED TO THAT LEVEL? AND WE FELT LIKE THAT CRISIS, UH, CRISIS MINDSET IS A GOOD WAY TO DO THAT. AND THEN FUNDING COMMUNITY PRIDE. WE REALLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER PROGRAM GOALS, PROJECTS, AND THINGS THAT ARE END UP BEING A, A SOURCE OF PRIDE FOR THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT'S IT. DID I MISS ANYTHING YOU GUYS, BY THE WAY? MY GROUP? I'M SORRY. SO WE HAD COUNSELOR FOLTZ, WE HAD JOSH AND JOE AND CHRISTIE IN OUR GROUP. AND ME, OF COURSE. ANY QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY. YES, YOU'RE IN THE BOX. YES, WE'RE IN THE PEANUT GALLERY OVER THERE, SO, ALRIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, FOR ANNIE? OH YEAH. SO WHAT ARE YOUR THREE PRIORITIES? SO THE THREE PRIORITIES WOULD BE HOUSING, COMMUNITY AND, AND THEN ENGAGEMENT. SO THE COMMUNITY AND ENGAGEMENT ARE CLOSELY TIED TOGETHER, BUT THEY ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. THAT, THAT A QUESTION, BUT A COMMENT THAT, YES. THAT YOU MADE, UH, IN REGARDS TO YOUR DISAGREEMENTS. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. TALKED ABOUT. IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEPARATE OUT SOME OF THESE THINGS. MM-HMM . YEAH. YOU KNOW, THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HOUSING, WELL, PART OF A COMPONENT OF HOUSING COULD AND SHOULD BE A DISCUSSION ON TRANSIT. YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE'RE HAVING A LOWER INCOME HOUSING, WELL IT, IT'S ALSO A GOOD IDEA TO MAYBE GIVE THEM A WAY TO GET TO WORK THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE OWNING AN EXPENSIVE VEHICLE OR, OR THE PARK AND RIDE SYSTEM OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. SO AGAIN, NOT A QUESTION, IT'S JUST, IT'S REALLY HARD TO START SEPARATING OUT SOME OF THESE THINGS, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT'S WHY SAID THEY'RE IN THERE. YEP. YEAH, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL CROSS-DEPARTMENTAL, THEY'RE CROSS PROGRAM ALL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL BLEEDING AND OVERLAPPING EACH OTHER. SO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, GROUP. DO YOU WANT TO, WHO'S THE NEXT GROUP? OH, OH, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. WELL, DON'T WE ONLY HAVE ONE THOUGH? THERE'S 2, 2, 2. I'M SORRY. HOW ABOUT THAT? GROUP SAVING THE BEST FOR SAVING THE BEST FOR LAST. SO I'M HEARING A LOT OF COMMONALITY, WHICH IS REALLY WONDERFUL. UH, WE LOOKED AT IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. WE BROUGHT SOME THINGS UP. UH, WE, WE MADE OUR PRIORITIES BROADER TO INCLUDE MORE THINGS UNDER THEM. SO THE FIRST PRIORITY WAS LAND USE. AND IN LAND USE WE HAD WESTERN GATEWAY MASTER PLAN, WE HAD HOUSING, WE HAD DELL SLASH WASTEWATER. UH, AND WELL ACTUALLY WE STARTED OUT BY SAYING WE'RE AT AN AWARDS CEREMONY AND WE'RE GIVING AWARDS OUT FOR THE GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT WE'VE ACHIEVED. AND WE HAVE AN AWARD FOR FOR, UM, THE A, UH, A BUSINESS AWARD. WE HAVE A NON-PROFIT AWARD, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY AWARD ANYWAY, UNDER ACTIONS, UNDER LAND USE AS OUR PRIORITY, WE [01:25:01] HAD DEVELOPED A HOLISTIC MODEL. SO WHERE DOES IT ALL FIT TOGETHER? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MASTER PLANNED, JUST LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE AND HOW DO ALL THESE INDIVIDUAL PIECES FIT. UH, AND, UH, AND THE LDC IS WORKING AGAINST US TO SOME DEGREE AND NEEDS SOME CHANGES, SOME QUICK FIXES. AND IF WE ARE MORE AGILE, LIKE WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE LDCA COUPLE YEARS AGO, WE SAID IT'S GOING TO TAKE US THREE YEARS, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE KEEP BUMPING INTO PROBLEMS WITH THE LDC. SO HOW ARE WE MORE AGILE? AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING IN THE BIG, IN THE LARGEST SENSE POSSIBLE, WHERE WE CAN DO IT IN SMALLER PIECES, CHUNK IT OUT. UM, OUR SECOND PRIORITY WAS COMMUNITY, WHICH I'VE HEARD FROM ALL OF YOU. I'M SO EXCITED. AND HOME RULE PASSED. SO WE'RE REALLY HAPPY. AND HOW DID IT PASS? UH, WELL, AGAIN, SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE OTHER TEAMS. WE HAVE CHAMPIONS. WE HAVE CHAMPIONS OF VARIOUS SUB PIECES. WE HAVE TASK FORCES. WE'RE EMBRACING EXPERTISE IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE'RE INCLUDING RESIDENTS WHO HAVE A PARTICULAR EXPERTISE ON COMMITTEES THAT INCLUDE STAFF AND COUNCIL. WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO LOSE CONTROL OVER EVERYBODY HAVING TO KNOW EVERYTHING AT ALL TIMES AND NOT ALLOWING FOR THE NATURAL, UH, UH, GROUPINGS OF COMMON INTERESTS THAT PEOPLE CAN DO THE WORK OUTSIDE OF COUNCIL MEETINGS, OUTSIDE OF LEADERSHIP MEETINGS, AND THEN REPORT BACK. SO WE WANNA GO ON THE ROAD, WE'RE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, BRING PEOPLE IN. ANDY TALKED ABOUT EARLY STAGES IN THE PROCESS. WE WANNA CREATE THESE WORK GROUPS AS WE'RE DETERMINING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING, AND THEN SELL IT TO THE COMMUNITY WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ON BOARD AND THE STAFF AND COUNCIL. OUR THIRD PRIORITY WAS THE ECONOMY. AND WITHIN THE ECONOMY WE ACTUALLY HAD SIM. 'CAUSE SIM DOES, PEOPLE DON'T WANNA COME TO SEDONA BECAUSE IT'S TOO MUCH TRAFFIC. IT HAS A DIRECT IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. ALSO TRANSIT, UH, WHICH IS PART OF SIM. BUT WE PULLED IT OUT, UH, AND WE THOUGHT WE SHOULD LOOK AT PROJECTS WITH A, A LENS ON OUR TOURISM INDUSTRY. SO AS AN EXAMPLE, THE AMPHITHEATER, IS IT AN ECONOMIC ENGINE OR IS IT AN ALBATROSS? WE DON'T KNOW. THAT COULD BE EITHER ONE. BUT IF WE LOOKED AT THESE PROJECTS FROM THE ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE, THEN WE WOULD, WE'D NEED MORE DATA TO DETERMINE THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR DIVERSIFICATION AWAY FROM TOURISM. IT IS WHAT WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY. SO HOW DO WE MAXIMIZE THAT? OR HOW DO WE MAKE IT MORE, MORE, UH, A POSITIVE EXPERIENCE. AND ALSO WITH THE IDEA THAT WE MAY, BECAUSE IT'S SOFT RIGHT NOW, WE MAY HAVE TO RIGHTSIZE SOME THINGS. WE MAY HAVE TO FOREGO SOME PROJECTS. WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW WE PROCEED WITH THAT. UM, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. ANY QUESTIONS, STEVE? UM, WE ALL DISCUSSED COMMUNICATION OF THE COMMUNITY AND, AND, UM, UH, IN YOUR GROUP, EXCUSE ME, WERE THERE, UH, DISCUSSIONS OF HOW WE DO THAT BETTER? UH, 'CAUSE WE, WE DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF PUBLIC OUTREACH AND YET WE'RE STILL COMING BACK TO BETTER COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY. SO, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, HAS ANYBODY DISCUSSED HOW TO DO IT BETTER? WE TALKED ABOUT EARLY ENGAGEMENT EARLY, AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, NOT SPECIFICALLY BUT THE, UH, GOING ON THE ROAD. SO WITH HOAS, WITH POTENTIALLY WITH TOWN HALLS, BUT TO HAVE THE WORK GROUP GO ON THE ROAD TO SELL TO THE COMMUNITY, SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. [01:30:02] AND I KNOW IN TRANSIT YOU'RE DOING THAT SOMEWHAT, RIGHT? AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD MODEL. YOU HAVE A WORK GROUP, YOU'VE GOT YOUR FOCUS, RIGHT? SO THE, ALONG THOSE LINES. BUT I THINK BY MAKING COMMUNITY A PRIORITY, IT'S NEVER BEEN A REAL PRIORITY. I LOOKED BACK AND THERE WERE SOME ELEMENTS, SOME SPECIFIC OBJECTIVES, BUT NOT AS IN AND OF ITSELF A PRIORITY. AND I WAS GLAD TO SEE THAT ALL, ALMOST ALL OF YOU HAD THAT. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY AS WELL. AND YOU KNOW, PART OF IT WAS BEING PROACTIVE, BEING EARLY IN IN THE PROCESS, BUT ALSO ENGAGING WITH THOSE, THE COUNCIL CHAMPION, THE COMMUNITY CHAMPION, THE STAFF CHAMPION, HAVING THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY OWN THE PROCESS AND BETTER, BRINGING UP THOSE KEY PEOPLE, BRINGING THEM UP TO SPEED WITH, YOU KNOW, BEING KNOWLEDGEABLE ENOUGH AND READY TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE PROGRAM OR PROJECT OR WHATEVER. IT'S, AND WE, AND WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT, AND THANK YOU, UM, ANDY, WE TALKED ABOUT BEING MORE AGILE. SO HOW DO WE APPROPRIATELY REDUCE THE, UH, NECESSITY TO HAVE EVERYTHING ALL THOUGHT THROUGH, ALL PLANNED OUT, ALL THE, EVERYTHING ZIPPED UP BEFORE WE GO FORWARD. IT'S TAKING A STEP BACK AND SAYING, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALL THAT PERFECT. THERE'S NO PERFECTION, RIGHT? THERE'S ONLY GOOD, NO PERFECTION. AND SO IF WE HAVE CONCEPTS, THEY HAVE TO BE MORE FLESHED OUT THAN JUST AT A REALLY HIGH LEVEL. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE TWO YEARS WORTH OF WORK BEFORE WE GET FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO LOOKING AT THAT, AND THAT'S GONNA BE, WE, WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE RESISTANCE AND BARRIERS. THAT'S A BARRIER. 'CAUSE WE ALL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE USED TO A DIFFERENT MINDSET. SO IT'S CHANGING A MINDSET AND, AND APPROPRIATELY DOING IT, YOU KNOW, IN A WAY THAT WE COULD ALL LIVE WITH. BUT RECOGNIZING THAT WE WANT TO BE, WE WANNA ACHIEVE MORE AND LESS TIME, BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, SO WE, THAT REQUIRES TAKING SOME RISKS, BUT NOT WHERE YOU'RE SHORT CUTTING, YOU KNOW, IN A DAMAGING WAY, THAT BALANCE. RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY, I'LL GIVE IT TO THE LAST GROUP. WHO'S THE SPOKESPERSON? PERFECT. MOVE THE COOKIES. . THANK YOU. OH, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. SO LITTLE JEALOUS OF THE THREE-LEGGED STOOL. SO, BUT, UM, BUT WE WERE ALSO THINKING OF SOMETHING SIMILAR. UM, AND THE INFOGRAPHIC WAS FANTASTIC BY THE WAY. UM, BUT UM, OUR AUDIENCES, OUR THREE AUDIENCES THAT WE FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY NEEDS TO APPRECIATE, WHEN I SAY EVERYBODY WE'RE TALKING COMMUNALLY AS AS A CITY, UM, IS OUR RESIDENTS, OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AND OUR TOURISM COMMUNITY. BECAUSE WE NEED ALL THREE TO SEE SUCCESS. SO MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE IMPACTING AND POSITIVELY COORDINATING WITH ALL THREE GROUPS. UM, SO THE GROUPS THAT, UH, WE CAME UP WITH WERE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY THAT WE PUT TOGETHER BECAUSE WE SAW THEM AS TO CONJOIN PARTNERS TO A DEGREE. UM, ACCOMPLISHING WITHIN A YEAR, UM, COMPLETING THE MASTER PLAN FOR WESTERN GATEWAY AND BEGINNING THE ACTIVE IMPLEMENTATION OF WESTERN GATEWAY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES TO SECURE DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN OTHER SPACES. SO SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WE ALSO HAVE AVAILABLE TO US, WORKING WITH ACTIVE PARTNERS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, OUR PROPERTY OWNERS, ET CETERA. UM, TO BE ABLE TO BRING THOSE TO FRUITION AS WELL. SO, UM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, CREATING A SHARED VISION WITH THE PUBLIC THAT DRIVES HOME THE, THE CONCEPT THAT YES, WE DO NEED HOUSING, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AND HOW DO WE BRING THAT TO FRUITION? UM, THE SECOND PIECE BEING, AGAIN, MOBILITY AND CONNECTIVITY. AND IT'S NICE THAT ALL OF THESE ARE ALL SOMEWHAT COMING TOGETHER FROM THAT REGARDS. BUT UNDERSTANDING THE ABILITY TO MOVE PEOPLE FROM THEIR POINT OF HOME OR FROM THE POINT OF THE BUS STOP AND HOW MANY BUS STOPS DO WE NEED IN ORDER TO INCREASE RIDERSHIP? [01:35:01] HOW DO WE ENHANCE THE SERVICE AND GET TWO MORE PEOPLE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO WE LOOKED AT MEASURES IN TERMS OF INCREASING OUR RIDERSHIP. WE LOOKED AT A MEASURE IN TERMS OF DO WE NEED TO INCREASE OUR SERVICE AREA, OUR HOURS? DO WE HAVE ENOUGH AS IT IS? UM, DO WE NEED TO CONSIDER EXPANSION? AND THEN ALSO CONTINUING TO BUILD AWARENESS. WE DO A LOT OF WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW THE GREAT THINGS WE'RE DOING AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO THEM. BUT IF YOU ASK MOST PEOPLE STILL, MANY OF THEM WILL SAY WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT AWARE. AND SO HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT? TO CONTINUE TO BUILD THAT LEVEL OF AWARENESS? SO WE HAVE HOUSING, COMMUNITY AND MOBILITY CONNECTIVITY AND THE LAST, UM, WE CALLED QUALITY OF LIFE 'CAUSE WE COULDN'T QUITE FIGURE OUT WHERE WE WANTED TO FIT EVERYTHING. SO, BUT AGAIN, ALSO FIRE PREPAREDNESS, SOMEWHAT FIREWISE, BUT FIRE PREPAREDNESS, UM, AND COMMUNITY PREPAREDNESS AS WELL. BUT ALSO LOOKING AT THAT AS THE OPPORTUNITY TO AGAIN, BUILD AWARENESS OF OUR PARK SYSTEM. HOW DO WE ENHANCE OUR PARK SYSTEM? WHO ARE WE ENHANCING IT FOR? UM, BUILDING ECONOMIC RESILIENCE AND AGAIN, GOING BACK TO OUR THREE LATEST SCHOOL. UM, AND THEN CONTINUING TO ENHANCE AND PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT. SO KEY TO THAT WAS GETTING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, HAVING THESE ACTIVE AND ENGAGING VISIONING SESSIONS. UM, REGULAR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UM, DEFINING OUR GOALS AND THEN SETTING ACCOUNTABILITY. SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF, UM, CELEBRATION, LIKE THE WORK, WE STOLE IT. UM, AND THEN COMMUNICATION CHAMPIONS. UH, WE SAW IT VERY IMPORTANT TO BUILD MILESTONES AND MAKE THOSE MILESTONES TRANSPARENT SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT, THE COMMUNITY CAN BUY INTO IT. AND AGAIN, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE, AND CELEBRATE OUR SUCCESSES, BUT WE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE AND UH, AND CELEBRATE OUR FAILURES BECAUSE AT LEAST WE'RE TRYING AND THEN WE PIVOT AND WE MOVE FORWARD. UM, CONTINUING TO BUILD TRANSPARENCY AND ALSO RELYING HEAVILY ON OUR PARTNERSHIPS. 'CAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT BY OURSELVES. SO THERE WE GO. ANY QUESTIONS? SWEET. CERTAINLY. OKAY, SO WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN OR WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD SO FAR AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? WHAT, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT'S THE PATTERNS? COMMUNITY GETTING, GETTING AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE SHOULD, WHAT, WHAT IS OUR COMMUNITY, WHAT WE WANT OUR COMMUNITY TO BE. AND STARTING FROM THERE. UM, AND, AND UNDERSTANDING WE MIGHT HAVE FAILED IN THE PAST AND, BUT WE HAVE THIS GOAL. WHAT WE THINK WE KNOW COMMUNITIES. OKAY, WHAT ELSE HAVE YOU, WHAT ELSE HAVE YOU ALL HEARD? HOUSING. HOUSING. DEMOGRAPHICS, WHICH COVERS HOUSING AND ECONOMIC. YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE REALITIES, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE OXYGEN IN THE MIDST OF FIGURING OUT HOW TO GUY GET A GUY IN SPACE. IT'S LIKE WE CAN'T FORGET OXYGEN. SO IT'S UH, DEFINITELY A METRIC. LEMME GRAB THE RIGHT SHARED VISION. GOOD JOB. JOANNE, DO I NEED TO KEEP HOLDING THIS? YOU DON'T HAVE TO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. OKAY. FOR THE VIDEO, I, I HAVE A LAPEL. THAT MIGHT WORK. I JUST REALIZED THAT, YEAH, THIS IS GONNA GET MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT AS WE SPEND TIME ON THIS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I'LL MOVE THESE EVENTUALLY AS WE DON'T NEED THEM. BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE THEM. SO WE HAVE COMMUNITY. CAN I HAVE THAT BEFORE I TURN THIS ONE ON? WE HAVE HOUSING. WHAT WAS THE COMMUNICATION? COMMUNITY ECONOMY. ECONOMY AND THEN PETE. COMMUNICATION. YEAH. SO, AND I, I'M JUST GONNA THROW OUT THE COMMUNICATION IS GOING TO BE THE VALUE THAT ENCOMPASSES EVERYTHING, RIGHT? THAT WE DON'T GET TO DO ANYTHING WITHOUT THINKING THROUGH A STRATEGIC PLAN ON HOW DO WE ENGAGE, HOW DO WE [01:40:01] COMMUNICATE, HOW DO WE HAVE TWO WAY CONVERSATIONS? HOW DO WE, UH, FOSTER DIALOGUE? HOW DO WE DO ALL THAT WHILE MAKING MOTION? WHO ELSE? I JUST HAVE THE HANDOUT. I MISSED IT. SO, UM, MOBILITY AND TRANSIT. OKAY. I LIKE THE WORD MOBILITY. CONNECTIVITY. CONNECTIVITY. IT'S MORE LIKE BROAD TRANSIT. AND YOU'VE HEARD OF THAT IN OUR GROUP THAT WHEN YOU SAY TRANSIT, PEOPLE THINK OF LIKE A FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM AND THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE NEED. OUR GENERAL TERM FOR THAT IS CIRCULATION. YEP. YES. THE, AND ARE YOU PAIRING ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNICATION? YEAH. SO COMMUNICATION, ENGAGEMENT, SORRY, AS I GO FASTER, MY HANDWRITING GETS WORSE. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING I NEED TO CHANGE, IT'S BECAUSE I'M GETTING CLOSE TO THE OTHER MICS. I THINK. AM I GONNA HAVE A FEEDBACK? OKAY. WELL, YOU ALL KNOW IT. , IF, IF SO, WE'LL JUST KILL IT. HELLO? I DON'T KNOW IF IT HELPS YOU GUYS, BUT IF IT HELPS THE, IS IT HELPING PEOPLE ON THE RECORDING? BRIAN HEARS IT. I DO HEAR IT. THERE'S A BUZZ BACK HERE. IS IT ANNOYING? OKAY, I CAN HEAR YOU FINE. YOU WANT ME JUST GO BACK TO I'LL, OKAY, SO YOU HAVE COMMUNITY HOUSING, MOBILITY, TRANSIT SLASH CIRCULATION, ECONOMY, COMMUNICATION, ENGAGEMENT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S COMMON? DO YOU GUYS WANT ME TO JUST HAND OUT THE COOKIES? FIGHTING GOING ON OVER HERE? SORRY, AM I SUPPOSED TO BREAK THAT UP? THAT'S NOT, NO. OKAY. IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT, IT SAYS COMMUNICATION ENGAGEMENT DOWN HERE. ALL RIGHT. UM, FIREWISE OR FIREWISE. SO TELL, SO TWO GROUPS BROUGHT UP FIREWISE. YEAH. FIREWISE, DOES THAT FALL UNDER POTENTIALLY AN OBJECTIVE FOR ONE OF THESE OTHER OVERARCHING PRIORITIES? OR IS IT IT'S, OR IS IT TRULY A STANDALONE? IT'S UNDER COMMUNITY. IT'S UNDER FEAR. SAFETY. THEY MENTIONED SAFETY. LISTEN, I'M REALLY SORRY, BUT EVERYTHING YOU'RE PUTTING DOWN IS UNDER COMMUNITY. OKAY. ALL COMMUNITY, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHO IT IS WE WANT IN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, WHO MAY NOT ALREADY BE HERE. THAT'S TO THE DEMOGRAPHICS. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT HOW ARE YOU GONNA HOUSE THEM. THEN YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET AROUND TOWN. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE BROADER REGION, HOW THEY'RE MOVE THROUGH THE REGION. WE SAW THAT IN THE DEMOGRAPHIC. SO ALL OF THAT'S ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY. AND HOW DO YOU MAKE THOSE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE ALSO MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY? 'CAUSE THEY WORK HERE AND THEY'RE NOT JUST SUBSERVIENT TO THE COMMUNITY. SO ALL OF THAT'S ABOUT COMMUNITY. YES. AND WE ARE GOING TO, THAT'LL BE THE NEXT STEP. DON'T DRIVE ME CRAZY YET. I NO, YOUR, YOUR BRAIN IS JUST, AND I'M SURE ALL OF YOU, ALL OF YOU SAID IT, YOU STARTED TO WRITE DOWN IMPLEMENTATION, RIGHT? YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE DETAILS AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE YOUR BRAIN SHOULD BE GOING. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'LL GO NEXT. BECAUSE IF YOU ALL WALK OUTTA HERE WITH FOUR WORDS AND SAY, YAY, LOOK WHAT WE DID TODAY. YOU'LL BE FRUSTRATED WITH EVERYONE HERE IN JUST ANOTHER MONTH OR SO. SO, SO WE DO NEED TO DEFINE THAT. SO GOING BACK TO FIREWISE THOUGH, IS THAT A SUB POINT TO POTENTIALLY COMMUNITY THE WAY THAT YOU'RE THINKING? OR IS THAT A STANDALONE? AND I'M ASKING. I DON'T, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR THINKING. MELISSA, HERE'S MY THINKING, WHICH PROBABLY I'M LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE'S THINKING, BUT THINGS LIKE SAFETY, HOWEVER YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT, IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO BUILD INTO YOUR COMMUNITY. SOMETHING YOU WANNA BUILD INTO YOUR HOUSING IS WHAT YOU WANNA BUILD INTO YOUR CIRCULATION PATTERNS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN, THAT'S THE EVACUATION, ROUTING. IT'S ALSO WHAT OUR, THE FOUNDERS NEED. SO TO ME, SAFETY HAS TO BE BUILT INTO HOW WE BUILD IN AND DECIDE AND DESIGN THE COMMUNITY ITSELF. OKAY. SO YOU SAY IT'S A SUBPOINT IN THIS LARGER UMBRELLA OF COMMUNITY. ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT FOR NOW FOR PURPOSES OF MODELING? YOU KNOW, I, I'LL JUST EXPLAIN SOME OF THE THINKING THAT WENT IN OUR GROUP ABOUT PUTTING THAT UP. THERE WAS, IT'S SOMETHING LIKE FIREWISE THAT WE COULD PUT OUT THERE. SO IT FALLS REALLY INTO TACTICS. I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT [01:45:01] IS TOP OF MIND FOR OUR, UH, ALMOST EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HAVE AS A RALLYING CRY DO SOON WITH OUR OWN RESOURCES BECAUSE WE CAN DO THE THINGS THAT WE DO. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF BROKE IT OUT AS JUST, YOU KNOW, AN EASIER TO ACHIEVE RALLYING CRY THAT STARTS THAT COLLABORATION PROCESS. BUILD THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. SO I'M GONNA JUST PUT A IE HERE. FIREWISE AND SAFETY, THOSE WOULD BE COMPONENTS. OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEEN COMMON THAT'S NOT ON THE BOARD? SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE COMMUNITY HOUSING, MOBILITY SLASH TRANSIT SLASH CIRCULATION ECONOMY, COMMUNICATION ENGAGEMENT. KURT, OUR TABLE DISCUSSED FIREWISE, BUT SANDY PUBLIC WORKS AND CHIEF FOLEY, WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY SAFETY IS, UM, IF PEOPLE ARE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT DAMAGE TO THEIR HOME AND PROPERTY, IT'S NOT THE FIRE, IT'S FLOODING POST FIRE. SO WE'D LIKE TO ENGAGE FLOOD FIRE, LIKE FLOOD WISE, FIREWISE. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO ONE. WE REALLY NEED TO BE DOING THE OTHER TESTING. OKAY. MAYOR, I THINK THAT, UH, LAND USE IS BIGGER THAN HOUSING. I DON'T WANNA LOSE THAT. SO IF YOU COULD TAKE A, ARE THEY, ARE THEY SO RELATED THAT YOU CAN'T, SO YOU CAN JUST PUT IT DOWN. YEAH. BUT I WOULD ALSO ARGUE THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES ARE ALSO RELATED POTENTIALLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS WELL, CORRECT? MM-HMM. RIGHT. DO YOU WANNA TAKE LANDS AND TURN THEM INTO OPPORTUNITY ZONES OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS, WHICH ISN'T IN OUR ZONING CODES RIGHT NOW. GREAT. SO YOU'RE DOING IT, YOU'RE DOING THE WORK. I, SORRY, SO NO, NO, YOU'RE GOOD. IT'S, THIS IS, AND YOU GUYS ARE ALL INVESTED. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE. YOU'RE ALL STAKEHOLDERS AND, AND ALL THE PEOPLE HERE THAT, UH, ALL OF YOU HAVE A ROLE IN MAKING WHATEVER YOU COME UP WITH SUCCESSFUL. SO THIS SHOULD BE DIFFICULT TO, TO HOLD BACK. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE THOUGH THAT IS COMMON THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT UP HERE? BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO CATEGORIZE, DEFINE ALL THAT. ONE THING THAT WAS COMMON IN OUR GROUP WAS, OF COURSE, US AS, AS STAFF, WE'RE NEUTRAL ABOUT HOME RULE. BUT IT'S A, IT'S AN ISSUE THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND, AND IT IS A SUB SUBPART TO THE COMMUNITY. SO YEAH, SUB, UH, HOME RULE I THINK CAME UP ON TWO OR THREE. I CAN'T READ 'EM FROM HERE, BUT TWO, SO I'M JUST GONNA PUT IT UNDER COMMUNITY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE TRANSFERRED FROM THESE BOARDS TO THAT BOARD? OKAY. SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA PUT THESE DOWN SO YOU CAN KEEP TRACK OF THE WHITEBOARD. IF THERE'S SOMETHING UP HERE THAT YOU WANNA COME BACK TO, YOU JUST COME OVER AND GRAB IT OR ASK ME TO GRAB IT. ALRIGHT? SO WE NEED TO START THINNING THIS OUT AND WE NEED TO DEFINE TERMS. AND, AND IF WE CAN WALK OUTTA HERE TODAY WITH SOME CLEAR, UM, OR AT LEAST THE STARTING OF CLEAR OBJECTIVES THAT HELP DEFINE SUCCESS IN THE, IN THE PRIORITIES. SO THE, SO WE HAVE COMMUNITY AND HOUSING THAT WAS ON EVERY SINGLE BOARD, CORRECT? YES. SO, UH, AND I NEED TO HEAR SPECIFICALLY FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS. COUNCIL MEMBERS. ARE YOU OKAY WITH US LEAVING THOSE, THOSE TWO WITHOUT BEING FULLY DEFINED YET? UM, LEAVE THOSE TWO ON THE BOARD AS PRIORITY. HANDS UP. NOT AN OFFICIAL VOTE FOR ANYONE, BUT . ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S A STAR, NOT A VERY GOOD ONE. OKAY. MOBILITY, ECONOMY, COMMUNICATION, ENGAGEMENT. I WANNA PROPOSE, AS PETE AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER AND AS ACTUALLY THE SCENARIO IS WRITTEN THAT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS, IS AN ALL ENCOMPASSING HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING ANY OF THE MAJOR PRIORITIES. IS THAT A FAIR WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT? I MEAN, YOU SAID IT IN THIS SCENARIO. YEAH, IT'S, IT'S [01:50:01] IN THIS SCENARIO. SO, UM, AND, AND IN PART THAT'S THERE BECAUSE FOR THE, UM, ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS I TALKED TO THAT WAS AT THE TOP OF YOUR MIND, YOU, YOU, THAT'S PART OF YOUR GOALS. SO IS, ARE YOU GUYS ALL GOOD COUNCIL MEMBERS? ARE WE GOOD WITH SAYING THAT WE WILL ENCOMPASS THIS IN EXECUTION OF, OF ANY PRIORITIES THAT COME OUT? UNOFFICIAL. THUMBS UP. OKAY. SO I'M GONNA CALL THIS A VALUE. SO A VALUE IS ANYTHING THAT PERMEATES EVERY AREA OF THE ORGANIZATION. THAT'S, AND SO YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T PROGRAM IT. IT, IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS LIVED OUT BY, BY EVERY TEAM MEMBER. YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A COUNCIL MEMBER, WHETHER IT'S A STAFF MEMBER, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S ONE OF THE CITY VOLUNTEERS, YOU WOULD SAY, THIS IS WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO AND THIS IS WHAT WE EXPECT. SO MAYOR, CAN WE ADD AGILITY OR SOME WORD LIKE THAT TO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. ALSO REEXAMINING OUR PROCESSES TO MAKE US MORE AGILE IN GETTING FROM START TO END. IT'S A WHITEBOARD I COULD PUT UP HERE. ANYTHING YOU WANT. IT'S, BUT COUNSEL, HOLD THAT THOUGHT FOR OBJECTIVES BECAUSE I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO A POTENTIAL MEASUREMENT OF, OF HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING THINGS. SO THIS IS GONNA BE FOR NOW, I'M JUST GONNA CALL IT A VALUE FOR, SO THIS STAYS, OKAY, MOBILITY, TRANSIT, CIRCULATION, ECONOMY. THIS IS WHERE IT GETS TOUGH. 'CAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT UNDERNEATH EACH ONE OF THOSE. CORRECT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS THEY OVERLAP AND YET IF YOU SAID ONE IS THE PRIORITY OVER THE OTHER, YOU GET TWO DIFFERENT ENDS POTENTIALLY AS I UNDERSTAND IT. SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO HEAR AGAIN FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, ONE AT A TIME. I LIKE TO HEAR HOW YOU PERSONALLY HEAR OR PROCESS THE SIMILARITIES AND THE DIFFERENCES OF, OF MOBILITY AND ECONOMY. WE START WITH, UM, I WOULD PRIORITIZE THE MOBILITY, TRANSIT AND CIRCULATION OVER ECONOMY. UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I'VE HEARD ABOUT ECONOMY IS AS WELL AS THE MOBILITY OR THE CIRCULATION IS BAD, IT HURTS THE ECONOMY. SO I THINK THE ECONOMY, UM, IS A BYPRODUCT OR IS AN END PRODUCT OF IMPROVE CONTINUED IMPROVEMENT OF, UH, CIRCULATION. I ALSO THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A COMPONENT OF ADDRESSING HOUSING. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I WOULD PREFERENCE CIRCULATION OVER ECONOMY. OKAY, SO THAT'S YOUR VOTE. I ALMOST LOOK AT ECONOMY IN THE SAME WAY AS COMMUNICATION, ENGAGEMENT. LIKE, THEN IT'S A VALUE BECAUSE ECONOMY HAS TO FACTOR INTO EVERY OTHER. IF YOU SEPARATE THESE OUT AS LIKE A PROJECT, YOU KNOW, OF HOUSING, LAND USE OF MOBILITY, CIRCULATION, TRANSIT, ECONOMY IS A PART OF OVER ALL OF THAT. OVERALL, WITHOUT A ROBUST ECONOMY, YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO DO ANY OF THESE THINGS IF THE ECONOMY IS GONNA DICTATE WHAT YOU CAN DO. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE SO FOCUSED AT THE MOMENT ON, ON, WHEN WE SAY ECONOMY, ARE WE REALLY SAYING TOURISM? 'CAUSE THAT'S THE BASIS OF THE ECONOMY AND WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. UM, BUT I DON'T, AGAIN, IT'S A COMPONENT OF ALL THE OTHER ONES TO ME VERSUS BEING SEPARATED OUT. I, I WOULD SAY THAT AS A PROJECT FOR NUMBER THREE, ITS MOBILITY, TRANSIT, AND CIRCULATION. BUT I, I HAVE TO FACTOR ECONOMY INTO ALL THIS. 'CAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT HOME RULE IS ECONOMY, WE PUT THAT AS PART OF COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, SO HOW DO YOU SEPARATE THAT OUT? OKAY. IT'S A COMPONENT OF EVERYTHING. AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASTUTE IN THAT THE, FOR A FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATION, IF THEY WERE TO SAY, IF THEY HAD PROFIT UP HERE, I WOULD SAY NO, YOUR PROFIT CAN'T ACTUALLY BE PRIORITY IN MOST ORGANIZATIONS. BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT'S A BYPRODUCT OF A SERVICE OR A PRODUCT AND THAT, AND THAT YOU HAVE IT AS A METRIC TO TELL YOU HOW WELL YOU'RE [01:55:01] DOING IT, SERVICE OR PRODUCT. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT, IT, IT CAN'T BE THE THE, YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THAT AND THINK THAT IT DOESN'T GET TOUCHED BY EVERYTHING ELSE. SO, SO I, I AGREE WITH THAT IN THE GENERAL THINKING, PETE, I, FOR ME IT COMES BACK TO THE TIMEFRAME WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HERE. ONE YEAR I PUT ECONOMY UP THERE WITH ALL OUR PRIORITIES AS VERY IMPORTANT. BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY LITTLE THAT WE FIGURED OUT WHAT TO DO IN THE NEAR TERM WITH THE EXCEPTION OF BROADBAND. BROADBAND IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO. WE CAN DO, IF WE END UP GETTING IT, IT MIGHT END UP BEING THE, THE ENGINE THAT GENERATES SOMETHING ELSE IN OUR ECONOMY THAT ISN'T HERE NOW. MM-HMM . 'CAUSE PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND DO THEIR THING VIA BROADBAND AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST NOT WORKING. UH, TOURISM. THEY COULD BE WORKING TOURISM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD BE OTHER THINGS. SO I HATE TO, IF I HAD TO VOTE ON A SHORT TERM BASIS, I WOULD PUT TRANSIT, CIRCULATION, MOBILITY FIRST AS LONG, LONG TERM, LONG AS WE DON'T LOSE OUR EMPHASIS ON FINISHING THE BROADBAND THING THAT WE'VE GOT ROLLING. GREAT. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT NAIVE. ESSENTIALLY WE DON'T MINIMIZE IT, BUT WE PUT IT AS A CHECK MARK MAYBE UNDER EACH, EACH OBJECTIVE IS ONE WAY TO DO THAT. IT BECOMES ITS OWN MEASUREMENT WITH EACH PRIORITY. THAT JUST ONE I DO. OKAY. MAYOR. I SEE IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. I THINK, YOU KNOW, STOCK ECONOMY WORRIES ME. WE TALK ABOUT OUR COUNCIL ALL THE TIME. IT'S NOT A PRIORITY FOR US TO FOCUS ON WHAT'S HAPPENING, HOW IT IMPACTS FINANCES. MM-HMM . IMPACTS OUR BUDGET. WE'RE GOING INTO HOW IT IMPACTS OUR, UM, SIZE OF GOVERNMENT. UH, TAKE OUR OFF OF THIS AND I, THAT AM THAT WE'RE DEBATING RIGHT NOW AS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE ECONOMY SHOULD BE LOOKED AT THROUGH THAT LENS. UH, SO I, WE HAD PUT TRANSIT CIRCULATION UNDER, UH, BOTH COMMUNITY AND ECONOMY. MM-HMM . IMPACT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, BOTH OF THOSE, RIGHT? THEY'RE SO, YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY EVERYONE, THEY'RE INTERTWINED AND YOU HAVE TO KIND OF CATEGORIZE CHICKEN EGG KIND OF THINKING , . I'M GONNA, I'M THE WAY TO THIRD. I I'M GONNA PUSH YOU TO THREE SO YOU CAN CHANGE IT AS SOON AS I LEAVE THE ROOM. BUT I'M GONNA . OKAY. SO IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THOSE TWO BASED, BASED ON YOUR, THAT EXPLANATION OF HOW YOU THINK THROUGH THIS. I WOULD CHOOSE THE, AS LONG AS WE HAD MOBILITY, I DUNNO ABOUT MOBILITY. I JUST CIRCULATION MOBILITY, THOSE WERE INCLUDED UNDERNEATH SOMETHING. I KNOW IT'S HARD TO DISSECT IT. I, THAT THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. RIGHT. WHAT I WOULD VOTE FOR. OKAY, GREAT. UM, I VOTE FOR CONTINUITY. OKAY. COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW, AS YOU PROCESS THAT COMPARED TO WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE OTHER MEMBERS? I MEAN, I JUST FEEL LIKE TRANSLATE CIRCULATION. YES. THOSE ARE ARE SMALL THINGS THAT OKAY, GOOD. GOT IT. ALYSSA. SO IN MY MIND, ECONOMY IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN ECONOMY. 'CAUSE IT TALKS TO WHAT IS THE FUTURE MM-HMM . OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE'RE ONLY BASING OURSELVES ON TOURISM. AND WE'RE SUBJECT TO THE EBBS AND FLOWS OF WHAT'S POPULAR, WHAT'S NOT, WHAT PEOPLE BEFORE, WHAT WE CAN'T, WITHOUT SORT OF MAKING A CHANGE IN HOW WE THINK ABOUT [02:00:01] WHAT THE ECONOMY MEANS FOR US. WHO THAT ATTRACTS THEN WE WILL PROBABLY DIE AS A COMMUNITY OVER TIME WE'LL BECOME RETIREMENT RESORT. AND THAT WILL BE KIND OF ALL WE HAVE. SO IT'S, IT'S TRYING TO CHANGE OUR, OUR ECONOMIC OUTLOOK TO BE BRIGHTER, AT LEAST GOING FORWARD. AND IT'S HARD AND IT TAKES THE MOST TIME. AND I THINK YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON IT SOONER RATHER THAN WAITING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT VISION THAT YOU HAVE WILL START TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOUR VISION IS AROUND COMMUNITY, WHAT KIND OF HOUSING YOU NEED, WHAT KIND OF LAND USE YOU NEED TO SUPPORT YOUR HOUSING, WHAT KIND OF LAND USE YOU NEED IN ORDER TO SUPPORT YOUR TRANSIT, UM, AND YOUR SAFETY AND SERVE ALL THAT STUFF. SO TO ME, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE NEED TO DECIDE FIRST WHO WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE FUTURE FOR SEDONA. NOT WHO WE ARE RIGHT NOW. 'CAUSE WHO WE ARE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS AND THEY'RE NOT LOOKING GREAT. SO I WOULD SAY I WOULD GO FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BEFORE TRANSIT. NOT THAT I DON'T KNOW IF TRANSIT, BUT I THINK TRANSIT WOULD END UP FALLING OUT OF ANYTHING WE DO IN HOUSING AND COMMUNITY ANYWAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE NEED CHARLOTTE , I CALL THE TIEBREAKER. OKAY. AGAIN, NOT AN OFFICIAL VOTE. AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THE QUESTION IS BECAUSE I I I WANT TO SEE YOUR THINKING. YEAH. I WANT TO HEAR YOUR THINKING AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. YEAH. I WANT TO ASK MY COLLEAGUES THAT ARE VOTING FOR ECONOMY, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO TO IMPROVE THE CURRENT ECONOMY OTHER THAN SPEND MORE MONEY ON ADVERTISING? LIKE WHAT, WHAT ELSE? GO AHEAD. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE CURRENT ECONOMY. THAT'S WHY IT SAYS IT'S ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, NOT ABOUT ECONOMY. THIS ISN'T WHAT TWO OF YOUR COLLEAGUES THAT VOTED FOR THIS, AND IT IS ABOUT RIGHT NOW. WELL, THAT'S FINE. YOU CAN ASK THEM WHAT THEY MEAN BY IT, BUT YOU ASK ME WHAT I MEAN BY IT. AND WHAT I MEAN BY IT IS WE NEED TO POTENTIALLY GO BACK AND RELOOK AT THE BASICS THAT WE HAVE. WHAT IS OUR ACTUAL LONG TERM VISION FOR SEDONA AND WHO IT WILL BE AND WHAT IT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE. 'CAUSE MAYBE THE VISION WE HAVE NOW AND BEFORE TRAIN OUT IS OUT OF DATE AND IT ISN'T HELPING US GOING FORWARD. SO THIS IS PRETTY FUNDAMENTAL TO, UH, TO ME, TO A DECISION ABOUT WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY AND WHO WE WANT TO BE IN THE FUTURE AS A COMMUNITY. MAYBE THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT UNTIL WE HAVE THAT FIRST CONVERSATION. WE WON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DO THINGS LIKE ATTRACT INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE, WHO ARE WORKING REMOTELY OR ENTREPRENEURS AND LIKE TO START OF A BUSINESS AND DON'T NEED TO BE IN ELITE CITIES TO DO IT. WHO KNOWS? I DON'T KNOW. BUT THAT'S A CONVERSATION TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GO WITH OUR COMMUNITY. 'CAUSE WE'RE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE GETTING STALE. SO HOW, HOW DO WE SOLVE THAT? I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER IF I DID. SO I WOULD TELL YOU WHAT I THINK THE ANSWER IS ANYWAY. SO MELISSA ECONOMIES. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO MELISSA, YES. BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID, WOULD YOU SAY JUST WHERE YOU'RE AT THAT, THAT YOU NEED THIS ANSWER TO BE ABLE TO DEFINE SUCCESS ON, ON OUR TOP ONES TOO, OR I THINK YOU CAN DO IT IN A PARALLEL. OKAY. WE HAVE AN EXISTING COMMUNITY. WE HAVE AN EXISTING HOUSING ISSUE. UM, BUT HOW WE WANT TO CHANGE THOSE GOING FORWARD DEPENDS ON THAT. SO ONE'S VERY LONG RANGE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF SEDONA. NOT HOW DO WE MAKE THE CURRENT SEDONA SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN IT'S TODAY. OKAY. SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS, ON A SCALE OF URGENCY, ON A SCALE OF URGENCY, YES. OUT OF THOSE FOUR, IN YOUR PERSPECTIVE, WHAT IS MORE URGENT? GOING BACK TO THE CRISIS MENTALITY THING? SO THE CRISIS MENTALITY TO ME, I THINK WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW AND THE PLAN WE HAVE GOING LIKE WITH TRANSIT RIGHT NOW MIGHT BE ENOUGH FOR US FOR A COUPLE YEARS. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS. THAT GIVES US A YEAR TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS EVEN FEASIBLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH THEN ON THE NEXT YEAR YOU WOULD DO THE SAME, UM, EXERCISE WE'RE DOING NOW. AND YOU WOULD SEE WHETHER OR NOT YOU NEED TO SWITCH AND CHANGE YOUR PRIORITIES AROUND. YEP. I'LL BOOK IT. IT'S . I HAVE A QUESTION TO THE GROUP THAT PUT TOWARDS THE MOBILITY SITUATION. DOES THAT MEAN, UM, THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER TO DO IT OR A QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH NEED, OR IS THERE A QUESTION OF WE NEED TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY? I'M CURIOUS WHAT, [02:05:01] WHAT IT IS ABOUT MOBILITY AND TRANSIT THAT OUT OF ALL THE THINGS WE'RE DOING THAT RISING TO THE TOP, UM, AS OPPOSED TO BEING PART OF OUR OPERATIONAL DAY TO DAY. OKAY. SO I'M CURIOUS WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM ON THAT PARTICULAR. LIKE WHAT IS THE, SO I, I'M GONNA TRY TO SUMMARIZE YOUR QUESTION IN PART FOR ANYONE THAT'S WATCHING, UM, THE, THE QUESTION IS, IS FOR THOSE WHO FEEL LIKE MOBILITY, TRANSIT CIRCULATION, WHAT, WHAT'S THE MINDSET IN REGARDS TO WHAT ELSE NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED OR WHAT WOULD BE THE INITIATIVES ATTACHED TO IT VERSUS MAINTAINING WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW? IS THAT FAIR? LIKE WHAT'S THE WHY BEHIND? WHAT'S THE, WHY THE HIGHEST PRIORITY? OKAY, SO WE CAN GO TWO DIFFERENT ROUTES. WE COULD FLESH FLESH OUT THE MINORITIES, OR WE CAN START DEFINING THE MAIN, THE THE MAIN ONES WE HAVE AGREEMENT ON. AND THEN THAT MAY BRING CLARITY TO THE, TO THE OTHER OPTIONS. WHAT, AND I'M LOOKING TO COUNCIL MEMBERS ON SOME DIRECTION OF WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE EASIER FOR YOU. SO FLESHING THIS OUT, FLESHING OUT THE TOP ONES MEANS DESCRIBING OBJECTIVES. WHAT, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT'S SUCCESS? BECAUSE, BECAUSE STAFF CAN'T JUST WALK AWAY AND, AND SPEND TONS OF TIME ON DEVELOPING PLANS AND SUGGESTIONS AND STRATEGIES, AND THEN FIND OUT THAT THEIR DEFINITION OF SUCCESS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN YOURS. AND ULTIMATELY YOU GET, YOU GET TO BE THE ONES THAT THAT CHOOSE THESE PRIORITIES. DO YOU WANT FLESH 'EM OUT? OKAY, SO LET'S DO THAT. WE'RE GONNA TABLE THIS AND THEN WE WILL, WE'LL SEE WHAT CLARITY COMES OUT. SO WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNITY, WE ALREADY HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF FIREWISE SAFETY, FLOOD, FLOOD WISE HOME RULE. I CAN MOVE THAT FARTHER BACK NOW. UM, WHAT IS SUCCESS CULTURAL THOUSAND. OKAY, I'M JUST GONNA START THROWING THINGS UP HERE. SO WHAT ELSE? WE POLL THE COMMUNITY EVERY YEAR ABOUT LIKE THEIR CONFIDENCE OR SATISFACTION WITH THE CITY. SO OBJECTIVELY IMPROVING MEASURES OF SATISFACTION. OKAY. WHAT ELSE? AND ANYONE CAN SPEAK TO THIS, NOT JUST COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT IN THE COMMUNITY FEEL MORE CONNECTED. OKAY, SO I'M GONNA HAVE, I'M GONNA WRITE IT DOWN HERE. LITTLE MORE CONNECTED. SORRY, I WAS LOUDER FOR MY PICTURE. THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH, WHICH MY VERSION OF THAT IS A JOINT PROJECT THAT WE CAN ALL GET A RALLY CRY ABOUT. SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT DOESN'T TAKE A BUNCH OF MONEY. IT TAKES OUR TIME AND ENGAGEMENT INVOLVEMENT AND REQUIRES US TO OPERATE AS A COMMUNITY, BUT SIMPLE ENOUGH THAT WE CAN GET STUFF. OKAY, I'M GONNA CALL THAT A SHORT TERM WIN. YES. IS THAT FAIR, PETE? YEP. ABSOLUTELY. WHEN, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT, WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF A SHARED VISION AND SOMETHING THAT WE COULD GET BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY TOGETHER ON AGREEING ON A SHARED VISION. OKAY, SO PARTNERSHIPS. YEAH. SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S INTERTWINED. WE, WE TALKED SIMILARLY ABOUT THAT AND UM, THE SIMILARITY WAS THAT I THINK THE OUTCOME WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD SEE MORE SUPPORT ACTUALLY ENGAGED IN WHAT WE'RE DOING. WHEREAS TODAY IT'S LIKE THERE'S SUPPORT OUT THERE, BUT THEY'RE JUST NOT HOPEFUL AND THEY HESITATE TO ENGAGE. OKAY. SO [02:10:07] WE'LL RECYCLE THOSE. OKAY. SO WE HAVE HOME ROLL PASSES, SATISFACTION MEASURES, UH, CONNECTED, FEEL MORE CONNECTED WITHIN THE CITIZENSHIP. UH, JOINT PROJECTS, SHORT TERM WINS, PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN CITY BUSINESS CITIZENS AND ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE THAT DEFINES WHAT SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY? SANDY INVASIVE, UH, TREES BEING TREATED. OKAY. THAT'S PART OF OUR POWER WISE IS CAN YOU REPEAT WHAT SHE SAID? SHE SAID INVASIVE TREES BEING TREATED AS A PART OF, IT'S A FIREWISE ELEMENT, RIGHT? MM-HMM . DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY? BUT IT IS BUILDING PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN CITIZENS, BUSINESSES, THE CITY ITSELF. I CAN SEE THAT AS A JOINT EFFORT AND ACTUALLY FAIRLY EASY LED. I MEAN, NOTHING'S AN EASY LIST, BUT A FAIRLY EASY LIST FOR A SHORT TERM WIN. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE CAN GET BEHIND. TANGIBLE. OKAY. SO I JUST DREW AN ARROW FROM JOINT PROJECTS, SHORT TERM WINS TO INVASIVE TREE PROJECT. IS THAT FAIR? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE TO MOVE AHEAD ON ANYTHING YOU NEED AN AGREED UPON TIMELINE? WE'RE FUNCTIONING OFF A YEAR. WHAT CAN WE GET DONE IN A YEAR? WELL, AGREEING ON THE TIMELINE, POTENTIALLY SOMETHING GET DONE WITHIN THE YEAR. IT'S THE FIRST PART OF THE TIMELINE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE END GOAL. AND THEN, THEN STAFF IS GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK WITH, OKAY, YOU GAVE US THESE, THESE MARKERS OF SUCCESS AND NOW THIS IS HOW WE PROPOSE WE DO IT. AND THEN YOU ENGAGE IN THAT, GIVE IT GREEN LIGHT AND THEN, THEN YOU SHIFT INTO THE ACCOUNTABILITY OF WHAT'S THE UPDATE ON IT, WHAT'S, HOW'S THAT GOING? RAH RAH, I'M GONNA GO OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND SPEAK ON YOUR BEHALF AND I'LL DO THE PO POLITICKING AND, AND COMMUNICATOR TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHY THE CITY, WHY THE MANAGEMENT'S DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING TOO. SO YEAH, IT'S ALL TEAM EFFORT, SANDY. SURE. USE PATH CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. OKAY. IS THIS JUST ANOTHER JOINT PROJECT IDEA? IT'S SOMETHING TANGIBLE BECAUSE PART OF WHAT FIREWISE IS, WE'RE TRYING TO GET CONNECTIVITY AND GET THE DEAD END CUL-DE-SACS CONNECTED. WELL, SO THERE'S SOME TRUTH TO THAT. I MEAN, WE COULD COME UP WITH A, YOU KNOW, EASILY ANOTHER 18, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS THAT ARE ALL ON COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT STUFF. BUT FOR THE SAKE OF, OF STAFF HAVING DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL SAYING, THESE ARE THE WINS WE WANT YOU TO GO AFTER. THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION, ANDY. I I THINK ALONG THOSE LINES, WHAT WE WOULD SEE IS BETTER TRUST FROM THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE'RE AND SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE KIND OF GOALS TO DELIVER ON. WELL, SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE QUESTION WITH EVERY OBJECTIVE IS ACTUALLY HOW DO YOU MEASURE IT? I THINK WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME WHEN WE HAVE A . WELL, BUT YOU, YOU DO OR YOU DON'T. SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. SO IT'S THE, I AS CONCRETE AS YOU ALL CAN BE, AS CONCRETE AS COUNCIL CAN BE TO STAFF THAT IT, IT DECREASES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR MISCOMMUNICATION, FOR UNMET EXPECTATIONS, FOR, FOR DISTRACTIONS IN ACHIEVING THE PRIORITIES. SO, SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, SEE ESPECIALLY COUNCIL, BE ABLE TO SAY, HERE'S THE KEY, KEY OBJECTIVES THAT, THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO FREE STAFF TO GO SUCCEED AT AND REPORT BACK TO US ON, ON THEIR STRATEGY, ON THEIR, THEIR IMPLEMENTATION PHASE, ON THEIR SUCCESS. SO WE CAN CELEBRATE THAT OR, OR HELP, HELP PUSH IT. MAYOR. SO WE, SUSTAINABILITY DID A GREAT JOB IN RECRUITING THAT DON'T [02:15:01] HAVE AN OBJECTIVE, THAT NEW HOAS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM. AND THEN WE CAN MEASURE IT AND THEY CAN BE REALLY CLEAR ON WHAT IT'S YOU'D LIKE THEM TO DO. THAT'S AN OBJECTIVE. AND THEN THEY CAN USE THE LA SPRINGS FOLKS TO HELP THEM ENGAGE OTHERA. RIGHT. SO I'M GONNA TRY TO REP, I MISSED THE FIRST PART OF WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE ACTUAL TITLE OF THE PROGRAM? IT WAS FIREWISE. OH, OKAY. SO TO SUSTAINABILITY AND RAISE THEIR HANDS. OKAY. OKAY. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS A FIREWISE PROGRAM. IT WAS A SUSTAINABLE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT HAD A LOT MORE TO DO WITH YEAH. WATER WAS A MALE COMPONENT MORE THAN THE FIREWISE. OKAY. I'M SORRY I, EVERYONE'S TALKING. I CAN'T QUITE TRACK ANNETTE. I THINK WHAT THE MAYOR'S TRYING TO, UH, THROUGHOUT THERE IS A MODEL, RIGHT? FOR HOW TO DO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS MADE UP OF A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOODS. SO IF WE WERE STAFF TO GO AND FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY NEED THESE NOT ALL BE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN WE COULD THREE NEIGHBORHOODS AND WORK WITH THEM SPECIFICALLY OVER THE NEXT YEAR TO ACCOMPLISH THESE WHATEVERS. SO SOME NEIGHBORHOODS NEED MORE FIREWISE, SOME NEIGHBORHOODS NEED MORE INVASIVE, SOME NEIGHBORHOODS NEED MORE. I KNOW, WHATEVER IT, BUT THAT WOULD SATISFY THE COMMUNITY HEALTH IMPROVEMENT GOAL AS IF WE, UM, TRIED TO NOT BITE OFF THE WHOLE CITY ALL AT ONCE, BUT MAYBE FOLLOW THE MODEL THAT'S AROUND. OKAY. WERE YOU GUYS ABLE TO, TO HEAR ANNETTE NET? SO, SO THE EXAMPLE IS TWO NEW ADOPTION, YOU KNOW, TWO NEW HOAS ADOPTED INTO SUCH AND SUCH SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM. THAT'S, THAT IS A, THAT'S A GOOD OBJECTIVE BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE RALLIES AROUND. AND THE QUESTION THAT, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE IS LIKE, OKAY, HOW'S THE PROGRESS ON GETTING THAT ADOPTED? AND SO AS MEASURABLE AS AN OBJECTIVE IS, THE BETTER. YOU KNOW, THE MORE, MORE MEASURABLE THE BETTER BECAUSE IT'S DEFINING WHAT YOU REALLY WANT OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE TIME AND ENERGY SPENT. JUST A QUESTION. SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE I'M CLEAR ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT AND SUPPORT FROM COMMUNITY. OKAY. UM, 'CAUSE WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH THE HOAS AND DOING ALL THESE SMALL COMMUNITY OR SUBSETS OF THE COMMUNITY PROJECTS, TO ME THAT'S GETTING THEM ACTIVELY ENGAGED, RIGHT? AND THEY'RE ALSO JOINT PROJECTS POTENTIALLY. BUT I, UM, TO ME THEN SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY OR FROM THE COMMUNITY IS THE SAME THING. OTHERWISE THEY WON'T ACTIVELY ENGAGE. OKAY. IS OKAY. SO I WAS JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHO CAME UP WITH THAT. IF THEY COULD EXPLAIN TO ME THE DIFFERENCE BEING ACTIVE ENGAGEMENTS. CAN I ACTUALLY TAG ON THAT? YEAH. BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS REALLY A, A REALISTIC OR MEASURABLE GOAL. 'CAUSE TWO NEW HOAS A YEAR BEING ACTIVE ON SOMETHING, BUT THEY'RE REALLY ONLY ABOUT MAYBE 20 REAL HOAS. I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE MANY HOAS, BUT THEY'RE DEFUNCT. THEY PAY $5 A YEAR TO BE IN THE HOA. IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. AND WE'RE REALLY LENDING OUR POPULATION. IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE 20 HOAS, WE'RE NOT, WE ARE JUST USING IT AS EXAMPLE. YEAH. JUST AS AN EXAMPLE. ALL RIGHT. SO LEMME ASK YOU GUYS THIS. WHAT ON THIS, THIS IS JUST A BRAINSTORM. SO BRAINSTORMS ARE MEANT TO BE DELETED. UM, OTHERWISE WE'RE BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED WITH, WE JUST ADDED 10 MORE THINGS TO OUR 18. UM, SO WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNITY, AS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS SUCCESS FOR BUILDING COMMUNITY, WHAT HERE IS MEASURABLE THAT, OR, OR NEEDS TO BECOME? YOU WANNA KEEP IT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BECOME MEASURABLE. OR ANOTHER WAY TO SAY, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO TAKE OFF? I SOMETHING THAT I TO HOW TO SAY THIS? WELL, WHY DON'T YOU SAY IT AND I'LL OKAY. TRY TO INTERPRET. UM, PART OF WHAT I SEE IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF WHOLESALE AGREEMENT FROM THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO BE. OKAY. NOW THAT'S [02:20:01] A HUGE PHILOSOPHICAL EXACTLY. APPROACH. AND SO HOW DID, HOW DID YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WRITE ARTICLES ON THE PAPER THAT SAY WE ARE, AND WE'LL ALWAYS BE A TOURIST COMMUNITY. WHY ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT SCHOOLS? WHY ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW MM-HMM . AND SO, AND THEN WE HAVE THE OPPOSITE TYPE. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GET FULL ENGAGEMENT OR AS MUCH AS WE CAN FROM THE COMMUNITY, DON'T WE HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT WE WANT TO BE AS A COMMUNITY? NOT NECESSARILY. OKAY, SO I'M SORRY, I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE HERE. I'M JUST TELLING YOU MY OUTSIDE IDEALISTIC PHILOSOPHICAL, THE ROLE OF GOVERNANCE, THE ROLE OF ELECTED OFFICIALS IS TO LEAD. SO, SO ONCE THEY ARE SWORN IN, IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND THEIR CONSCIENCE AND HOW THEY LEAD FORWARD WITHIN THE ETHICS OF, OF THE ESTABLISHED LOSS. IT IS IF, IF THIS COUNCIL SAYS, THIS IS THE VISION WE HAVE FOR THE FUTURE, THERE'S THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HERE'S THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, HERE'S THE THINGS WE WANNA ACCOMPLISH IN THE YEAR, THEY'RE FREE TO DO IT. AND, AND WHAT'S HARD IN ANY SMALL COMMUNITY IS THAT, IS THAT IT'S SMALL. AND, AND SO YOU GO DOWN TO, TO PHOENIX AND THERE'S MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. AND SO, SO IT'S HARD TO DISTINGUISH WHAT EVERYONE FEELS. BUT IN A, IN A COMMUNITY OF 9,000, EVERY VOICE IS A LITTLE BIT LOUDER, AND YET IT'S STILL HARD TO DISTINGUISH WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE MAJORITY. AND, AND SO COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU HAVE A HARD JOB AND IF, IF PEOPLE DON'T TELL YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING TO TAKE ON THE HARD JOB. AND, UM, MY FATHER DID IT YEARS AND YEARS AGO AND, UH, IN A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY. AND IT'S HARD. IT'S A HARD PLACE TO BE, BUT IT, YOU HAVE THAT ROLE. AND SO, UH, STEVE, I JUST SAY NO, IT'S BECAUSE WHAT YOU DO IS YOU END UP TRYING TO LEAD BY CONSENSUS. AND CONSENSUS DOESN'T WORK. YOU, YOU CAN'T DO A POLL ON EVERY SINGLE DECISION, OTHERWISE YOU'RE TO 9,000 DIFFERENT PRIORITIES, NOT, NOT JUST A COUNCIL OF EIGHT. SO, SORRY, THERE'S MY LITTLE SOAPBOX. UM, I CAN I CHALLENGE THAT? PLEASE, PETE, YOU'RE SO WITHOUT DOING, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE, AS A COUNCIL, I GET THE LEAD PART. I THINK WE ALL DO, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE A, A COUNCIL CONSENSUS ON THE DIRECTION WE'RE TRYING TO, WE HAVEN'T HAD A SPECIFIC CONVERSATION ABOUT US, ABOUT THAT. RIGHT. AND I SEE SOMETIMES IT'S A TUG OF WAR AND OTHER TIMES PEOPLE ARE PUSHING ON THE ROPE, WHICH ISN'T VERY SUCCESSFUL. MM-HMM . WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME. UH, AND SO, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, YOU TRIED TO TALK US DOWN FROM HAVING A, A COMMUNITY CONSENSUS I GET WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO DO, BUT WE'VE GOT SEVEN LEADERS, ELECTED LEADERS THAT I DON'T KNOW YET WANT TO THINK ABOUT. UH, WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE DECISION, UH, CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ECONOMY NOW, THE SENATE DIRECTION, WHAT ARE WE REALLY THINKING ABOUT HOUSING? I MEAN, THERE'S BIG TOPICS THAT WE EXACTLY AGREE WE HAVE, AND IT MIGHT BE A SPLIT DECISION, BUT THEN IT'S COMING TO US TO THEN AGREE WITH THE MAJORITY AND THEN WORK TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION. ABSOLUTELY. THAT EARLIER TODAY. YEAH. I THINK YOU AND I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT. YOU'RE JUST NUANCING A LITTLE BIT, I THINK FROM YOUR, FROM WHERE YOU SIT, WHICH IS TOTALLY FAIR. YOU GUYS ARE AT THE BEGINNING OF GETTING JUST THAT FOCUS. SO YOU CAN HAVE THOSE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS. AND, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S GONNA BE THE ONGOING, THE, THE ONGOING GOAL FOR YOU AS A COUNCIL IS TO CONTINUE TO PUSH THOSE OTHER CONVERSATIONS UP. UH, LEMME GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. IF, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO WALK OUT WITH SOME CORE PRIORITIES THAT ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE DEEPER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE LARGER FUTURE OR LONGER FUTURE THAN JUST THIS YEAR, BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE CLEARED THE NOISE OF, OF ALL THE THINGS OF 18 OTHER PRIORITIES, ALL SWIRLING ABOUT IT ACTUALLY, IT ACTUALLY GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO LEVERAGE YOUR TIME TOGETHER TO SAY, OKAY, LET'S HAVE A BIGGER CONVERSATION NOW WE KNOW, WE KNOW WHAT THE STAFF IS WORKING ON THIS YEAR, [02:25:01] AND WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO CHAMPION. NOW LET'S, LET'S HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION. DOES THAT, IS THAT FAIR? I THINK SO. AND I, I THINK WE CAN, YOU'RE LEADING US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I THINK THAT ALL, WHEN WE'RE HAVING SOME OF THIS CONVERSATION, I'M NOT SURE ALL OF US ARE ON THE SAME PAGE THAT IT'S IN THE NEXT YEAR. WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON RATHER THAN THREE OR A TERM FOUR YEARS OR WHATEVER, OR MY NEXT ELECTION. I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DRIVERS ARE, RIGHT? YEAH. IT'S GONNA BE A MIXED, MIXED MOTIVES. RIGHT. AND BUT FOR TODAY'S EXERCISE, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO FOCUS ON WHAT CAN WE GET FOCUSED ON A YEAR. OH, I KNOW WHERE THAT WAS. THANK YOU. SO IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT WITHOUT HAVING THAT LARGER CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IS THE DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL IN SOME OF THESE BIG DIRECTIONS, I'M GONNA LATCH ONTO A PRIORITY OR TWO THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO ME THAT WANT TO FIX THINGS THAT I SEE. AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT TIMES SEVEN. AND WE END UP WITH THE TIMES 30 GUARDIANS. HMM. I, LET ME CHEW ON THAT. YES. I I DON'T GET THAT. PETE, WE GOT TWO RIGHT THERE THAT MM-HMM . A CONSENSUS OF COUNSEL SAID THERE'S TWO PRIORITIES. HOW, HOW ARE YOU TAKING THAT AND GOING, OH, WE'RE ALREADY OFF TO 30 OTHER THAN THE HOME RULE PASSES, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN REALLY, AND MAYBE THE FIREWISE INVASIVE TREES STATEMENTS, THERE'S NOTHING YET THAT IS ACTION. OKAY. BUT LET'S, BUT LET'S LOOK AT MEASUREMENTS. BUT THAT'S TO COME. YOU'RE GONNA FIND SOME ACTION THINGS THAT YOU WANNA DO, AND I'M GONNA FIND SOME ACTIONABLE THINGS THAT I WANNA DO AND FIND SEVEN, AND WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH 30 PRIORITIES. SO LET ME PROPOSE THIS. I DON'T GET THAT. KATE, YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S TWO OF THE THREE HOME HOUSING IS BIG ENOUGH THAT ALL SEVEN US CAN PICK THREE THINGS. OKAY, WELL THEN WE'LL HAVE TO PRIORITIZE WITHIN THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, . SO, SO THIS, THAT EXACTLY IS MY POINT. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS, WHY ARE WE JUST CIRCLING AROUND ON THIS? CAN WE JUST LET HIM RUN HERE AND, ALL RIGHT, LET'S, LET'S DO THAT. I I JUST GO AHEAD. I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GETTING SOMEWHERE BEFORE, AND IT WAS WHEN WE TRIED TO FLESH OUT THINGS UNDER COMMUNITY THAT I THINK FOR ME, THIS GOT A LOT MORE MONEY. SO THE RIGHT SIDE, MY RIGHT, NOT YOUR RIGHT TURN, YOUR RIGHT, UH, OF THE BOARD IS FOR ME DETRACTED FROM WHERE WE WERE GETTING WITH CLARITY ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BOARD. AGREED. GREAT. AND THAT'S, AND YOU'RE TOTALLY RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO START ERASING MM-HMM . SO TO GET CLARITY ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BOARD, WHAT'S MEASURABLE, AND, AND THEN IF YOU LAND ON THOSE MEASUREMENTS, THEN THE NEXT TASK IS PROTECTING THOSE MEASUREMENTS, THOSE OBJECTIVES, AND THEN HANDING IT OVER TO STAFF TO FLESH OUT ACTUALLY HOW TO MEET THOSE GOALS. NOW, IF, IF THAT IS THE WRONG END RESULT, THEN COUNSEL, PLEASE TELL ME NOW, ANNETTE, AND TO CLARIFY, IT WAS IN THE, UH, DETAILED AGENDA, BUT WE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY CALL IT OUT. OKAY. THIS MORNING THAT AT THE END OF TODAY, IF WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, WHATEVER PRIORITIES AND THE OBJECTIVE THAT JONATHAN'S TRYING TO GET US TO ANDY AND THE DEPARTMENT HAS, ARE GONNA GO OFF TOMORROW AND DEVELOP THIS, HOW PLAN THAT JONATHAN'S REFERRING TO AND BRING THAT BACK THURSDAY TO THE LAST PART OF YOUR RETREAT, TO PRESENT TO COUNSEL THE FRAMEWORK, THE IDEAS LIKE THE HOW, SO THAT WE CAN, UH, CLEAR ON WHERE YOU WANT US TO GO WITH THESE THINGS. SO OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO DO THE BIG PICTURE WORK IN THESE THREE DAYS, NOT A STAFF GO OFF AND FIGURE IN TWO MONTHS UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S MEASURABLE AND ALL OF THAT. SUPER IMPORTANT FOR ANNIE AND YOUR TEAM FOR TOMORROW. YEAH. OKAY. SO IF YOU'RE OKAY, I WOULD, TO GET YOU STARTED, I SUGGEST, UM, TRUST AND SUPPORT FROM COMMUNITY ISN'T MEASURABLE. I JUST, I, WELL, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY SATISFACTION SURVEY GOING NATIONAL SURVEY. OKAY. WE DO EVERY THREE YEARS, WHICH WE'LL BE DONE NEXT YEAR. AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT GIVES US ENOUGH TIME TO MAKE THESE CHANGES OR WHATEVER, BUT IT'S DONE IN AUGUST, 2026. OKAY. AND IT'LL MEASURE [02:30:01] COMMUNITY'S SATISFACTION WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT, UH, MEASUREMENTS AND INCLUDING WHAT THEY THINK THE COUNCIL OKAY. OF GOVERNANCE OF THEIR SO IS THAT THE SAME, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME MEASUREMENT. OKAY. SO A SATISFACTION MEASUREMENT OR A SURVEY IS MEASURABLE. MEASURABLE. AND NOW ALL SURVEYS, WE CAN PICK UP ART ALL WE WANT, BUT IT STILL GIVES YOU A BENCHMARK FROM, YOU SAID EVERY THREE YEARS. MM-HMM. SO EVERY THREE YEARS. OR YOU COULD CHOOSE TO EXPAND THAT AS A CITY AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA DO IT YEARLY. YEAH. WHAT'S A NATIONAL SURVEY BUY IN. RIGHT. BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT YEAH, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION. AGAIN, THAT'S A MODEL ISSUE, RIGHT? IF YOU WANNA TWEAK THE MODEL AND MAKE IT YEARLY FOR YOU, YOU ALL, YOU CAN DO THAT. THINK ANDY'S TRYING TO YES. ANDY, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT TOOL TO MEASURE WITH. I WOULD ALSO THROW OUT THAT WE HAVE OUR EMAIL INBOX THAT IS VERY MEASURABLE AND OKAY. WHEN WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WHERE THIS IS NOT GOOD, WE CERTAINLY CAN COUNT THAT UP. WE HAVEN'T DONE IT, BUT WE COULD. OKAY. SO EMAIL, IT'S MEASURABLE INBOX. WE ALSO HAVE A BUDGET SURVEY EVERY YEAR, AND WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE A QUESTION ON CUSTOMER SAT AS PART OF THAT. YEAH. SO, OKAY, I'M GONNA SAY SATISFACTION MEASURES. SO YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT IN PLACE. YOU CAN ALREADY REFER TO IT. AND IF YOU DO THE BUDGET, ADD A, ADD A LINE TO THE BUDGET, YOU CAN MAKE IT IMMEDIATELY AN ANNUAL MEASUREMENT. ANNUAL, RIGHT? SO AT LEAST IT'S A MEASUREMENT. SO I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A NOTE AND WE CAN COMPARE THE RESULTS FROM THE LAST SURVEY FOR THIS SURVEY, SEE IF WE'VE IMPROVED AND WHERE WE MADE YOU LAUGHING. YES. AND STAFF AND COUNSEL, YOU CAN EVEN ASK HOW DO WE WANNA MEASURE THAT? WHAT ARE THE KEY QUESTIONS THAT WE WANNA DO? THE KEY, THE, THE, THE KEY IS, IS TO, TO CREATE SOME STRUCTURE AND ESPECIALLY AS A COUNCIL, A STRUCTURE THAT CAN ALSO BE HANDED OFF, OFF TO THE NEXT COUNCIL TO WHERE THEN, THEN WHEN A NEW ELECTED OFFICIAL COMES IN, THEY'RE NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH. THEY HAVE A MEASUREMENT TOO THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT. SO TRUST AND SUPPORT FROM COMMUNITY. ANDY, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE CAN EXTRAPOLATE, INFORM DATA FROM EMAIL BOX? ALL I'M SAYING IS WE GET A LARGE VOLUME OF FEEDBACK THAT COULD BE MEASURABLE. UM, ANY PUBLIC MEETING THAT WE HAVE, YOU CAN TELL, UM, I DON'T THINK WE'VE COUNTED IT UP, BUT THE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT VERSUS OPPOSITION THAT'S IN THE AUDIENCE. I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER THING TO LOOK TO, TO, TO BE ABLE TO TELL SOMETIMES, ARE WE IMPROVING ON THIS OR NOT? YEAH. I MEAN, AND WE ALL KNOW THE DYNAMIC, RIGHT? I MEAN, SOMETIMES THE MINORITY ARE REALLY GOOD ORGANIZERS. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVE TO DISCERN THAT. BUT LET ME ASK COUNSEL, WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL AS A METRIC TO HAVE TO USE, USE INBOUND COMMUNICATION THROUGH EMAIL AS A WAY TO EXTRAPOLATE HOW COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS? IS THAT INFORMATION YOU WANT, MELISSA? YOU'RE SAYING? NO, I'M SAYING NO. ONE OF THE REASONS IS SOMETIMES FOUR LETTERS, WE GET FOUR LETTERS IN OUR INBOX, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE SIX PEOPLE, 10 PEOPLE, 12 PEOPLE. THEY'RE ALL OF A SENDING THE SAME EMAIL. WE'VE ALL COPIED AND PASTED IT, RIGHT? SO IT'S ALSO, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT SELF-SELECTED. IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT REFLECTIVE IN HOW, WHO HAS MORE TIME ON THEIR HANDS. SO MAYBE WE'RE NEVER HEARING FROM THE PEOPLE WORK FOR A LIVING HERE IN COMMUNITY VERSUS THOSE WHO ARE NOT FULL TIME WORKING IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE TIME TO SPEND THINKING ABOUT THESE ARE SHOWING UP, JUST SHOWING UP THE LENGTH OF TIME OUR MEETINGS TAKE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . SO IT JUST FEELS LIKE THAT'S PROBABLY NOT, THOSE ARE NOT REALLY THE RIGHT MEASUREMENTS. I ALSO AGREE A LITTLE BIT WITH YOU. LIKE IT'S REALLY HARD TO MEASURE TRUST, UM, AND SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY TO ME IS ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT. IF PEOPLE ARE SUPPORTING US, THEY'RE SHOWING UP, RIGHT? IF THEY, IF THEY AGREE WITH PROJECTS AND GIVE THEM PROJECTS TO DO, THEY'RE GONNA SHOW UP. THEY'RE GOING TO, TO DO IT. IN A WAY, IT'S ALSO ABOUT CONNECTING AND FEELING MORE LIKE A COMMUNITY. IF YOU FEEL MORE LIKE A COMMUNITY, YOU'RE PROBABLY MORE APT TO WANT TO ACTIVELY ENGAGE AND THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING INSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY, WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE OF VARYING DEGREES [02:35:01] OF CAPABILITY CAN JOIN IN AND, AND FEEL THAT THEY'RE PART OF THAT INSTEAD OF IT ONLY BEING MOUNTAIN BIKERS OR ONLY BEING PEOPLE WHO DRINK WINE, OR ONLY PEOPLE WHO, I DON'T KNOW, EITHER THROUGH TRUCKS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THE OTHER THINGS ARE, BUT WE MIGHT, IT MIGHT BE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD FIGURE OUT OTHER THINGS TO DO. AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE, OTHER EVENTS THAT WE COULD DO. 'CAUSE JOSH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS TEAM AND SEE HOW PEOPLE ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGING. WE GET MORE OF THE COMMUNITY SHOWING UP OTHER THAN FALL FESTIVAL. IS THAT IT FESTIVAL THE SPRING CELEBRATION. DID I GET IT RIGHT? YES. THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THEN WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS 'CAUSE WE'RE CONNECTING WITH A BROADER RANGE OKAY. OF THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO LIVE HERE AND, AND HAVE THINGS TO DO HERE. SO YOU'VE PRESENTED FOR ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT MEASUREMENTS, SUCH AS, UM, ATTENDANCE PARTICIPATION AT, IN PARTICIPATION AT COMMUNITY EVENTS OKAY. AND MAYBE MORE COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT, THAT ALLOW OR A BROADER RANGE OF INTEREST. OKAY. UM, I, I KNOW YOU HAVE A VOLUNTEER OR YOU, YOU HAVE A, A CITIZEN ACADEMY CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT COORDINATOR. OH, OKAY. CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT COORDINATOR. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT ONE. UM, IS, ARE THERE METRICS, ARE THERE ARE, IS THERE DATA THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR COUNCIL FOR YOU ALL TO BE ABLE TO SEE AND SAY, YES, WE'RE, WE'RE INCREASING OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT? I THINK JOSH ALREADY COLLECTS QUITE A LOT OF THE NUMBERS FOR, FOR THESE EVENTS AND SEEING WHO'S SHOWING UP IS AS IMPORTANT AS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP. AND IF WE HAD OTHER EVENTS OR BROADER RANGE OF EVENTS THAT PEOPLE COULD THINK OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD JUST CONTINUE THOSE KINDS OF METRICS, BUT WE COULD SEE IF WE'RE ENGAGING DIFFERENT SORTS OF PEOPLE AT DIFFERENT KINDS OF EVENTS. OKAY. SO A DIVERSITY, JOSH, JOSH KNOWS HOW TO DO THOSE. SO A DIVERSITY OF EVENTS THAT GIVES YOU A BETTER SAMPLE OF ENGAGEMENT. CORRECT. IS THAT FAIR? FOSTERS ENGAGEMENT. OKAY. OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, WOULD THAT BE DATA THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SAY? YES. I THINK WE'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS ON COMMUNITY. SO I, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE TRIENNIAL COMMUNITIES. I THINK THAT'S BEEN AN EXCELLENT TOOL. AND IF WE AS COUNCIL WANTED TO THINK ABOUT SPENDING MONEY TO TRY AND DUPLICATE IT AND HERE LOCALLY, THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTING. I LOVE THE RIGHT TRACK, ROUND TRACK QUESTION AND I THINK WE COULD BE ASKING OUR COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW AND GETTING SOME INTERESTING DATA, BUT THAT REALLY PLAYS OUT OVER THE LONG TERM. MM-HMM . I, I LOVE THE IDEAS OF GENERATING MORE FEEDBACK. YOU HAD SAID THIS AS WELL, A STRONG COMMUNITY, WE REALLY ACHIEVE SOME OF THIS GOAL THAT PERHAPS WE'RE HEADED FOR WOULD GIVE US A LOT OF FEEDBACK. AND SO IT JUST CAN'T BE VOLUME. IT HAS TO BE SOPHISTICATED ABOUT PHYSICIANS PEOPLE ARE TAKING, BUT THEN WE ALWAYS HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT UNTIL HUMAN NATURE CHANGES, BAD NEWS SPREADS 10 TIMES FASTER THAN GOOD NEWS. YEAH. AND SO YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND NO MATTER WHAT THE METRICS ARE TELLING SOME OF THIS, NINE TIMES OUT OF 10, THE HAPPY PEOPLE AREN'T REALLY GOING TO EXPRESS A DESIRE, YOU KNOW, IN OPINION THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HEAR. SO I, I DON'T, AND I DON'T WANNA BE ASKING THE RIGHT TRACK, WRONG TRACK QUESTION IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUDGET SURVEY. BUDGET SURVEY IS A VERY EMOTIONAL TOPIC FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND SO IF THIS IS A BUDGET SURVEY AND IF YOU PUT THE RIGHT TRACK, WRONG TRACK QUESTION THERE, IT'S GOING TO INFLUENCE THE ANSWER THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET. IF YOU PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WESTERN GATEWAY SURVEY THAT WE'RE DOING, YOU'RE GOING TO INFLUENCE THE ANSWER THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET. SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I'M ALWAYS MOTIVATED TO WANT TO LOOK AT THESE MEASURES AND TRY OUR BEST JOB. I DON'T KNOW THAT MOST OF IT NEEDS TO BE A COUNCIL PRIORITY. I THINK STAFF IS REALLY QUITE MOTIVATED TO GET SOME OF THIS ANSWERS ALL ON THEIR OWN. OKAY. I'M ALL OVER THE MAP. JONATHAN? YES. JOANNE. I'D JUST LIKE TO BRING UP JUST FOR CONSIDERATION, UNDER THE, UM, PARKS AND REC NUMBER OF PEOPLE AT EVENTS, THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS COMMUNITY PEOPLE. SO A LOT OF THE EVENTS, LIKE IF THEY'RE NOT DIRECTLY SPORTS RELATED OR, AND SOME OF THOSE AREN'T COMMUNITY FOR BASKETBALL TEAMS, STATE SOFTBALL TEAMS, A LOT OF THE, OF OUR EVENTS, WE DON'T LIMIT TO COMMUNITY. SO THEN HOW DOES JOSH BREAK OUT COMMUNITY NUMBERS AT AN EVENT? YEAH. STEPHANIE, FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE [02:40:01] GOT ARRESTED AND DO DO OVER OVERARCHING ? I MEAN, THAT'S EASY FOR THINGS WHERE THERE'S REGISTRATION AND THAT TYPE OF DATA WHERE WE CAN EASILY GET SOMEONE'S ADDRESS AND THAT'S TRUE SITUATION, BUT TRICKIER FOR BIGGER CITY TYPE EVENTS. WELL, BUT I THINK THAT'S HOW WE WERE DEFINING COMMUNITY ANYWAYS. YOU'RE NOT JUST SAYING IT'S ALL , YOU'RE ALSO SAYING IT'S PEOPLE THAT COME HERE THAT SUPPORT IT AND WORK. AND SO I THINK NOW YOU'RE GOING INTO A BIGGER OF WHAT YOU COMMUNITY WHERE OUR SHARED VISION OF WHERE WE'RE GOING. OKAY. YES. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY TURNOUT AS A MEASUREMENT, TO ME, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FRUSTRATES ME IS SOMETIMES WE HAVE THESE COMMUNITY FOCUS SESSIONS, VISION, WHATEVER THEY ARE, AND THERE ARE LITERALLY LIKE FOUR RESIDENTS IN THE ROOM, AND THE REST ARE STAFF AND CONSULTANTS AND WHATEVER. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT USING A MEASUREMENT OF COMMUNITY TURNOUT. I WOULD, I'M THINKING MORE IN A TOWN HALL CAPACITY. HERE'S THE TOPIC WE WANT INPUT, WHAT KIND OF TURNOUT DO WE GET THERE? WE START HAVING 20 PEOPLE VERSUS FOUR. IF WE START HAVING 60 PIECE PEOPLE VERSUS 20. TO ME, THAT'S A MEASUREMENT THAT SHOWS ME MOVEMENT AND POSITIVITY TOWARD COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL. OKAY. YOU ASKED EARLIER ABOUT THE, UH, CITIZENS ACADEMY. YES. AND ONE OF THE MEASURABLE OUTCOMES FROM THAT COULD BE THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS THAT LINED UP BEING PLACED ON A WORKING GROUP OR APPLY FOR A COMMISSION OR RUN FOR COUNSEL. AND THE, THE GROUP THAT JUST GRADUATED, ALLEGEDLY, EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING. AND SO THAT CAN BE MEASURED. OKAY. SO I'M WRITING UP CITIZENS ACADEMY THEN ARROW WITH PLACEMENT AND RETENTION. SO ANYONE, THE VOLUNTEERS, THEY'RE VOLUNTEERING BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S MEANINGFUL AND THAT'S ENGAGEMENT. IF THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S MEANINGFUL, YOU'LL NEVER SEE THEM AGAIN. AND THEY'LL BE THE ONES THAT FILL OUT THE SURVEYS WITH ALL NEGATIVES. SO, UM, SO BEING ABLE TO OPTIMIZE THAT, UM, ARE THESE NUMBERS ALREADY TRACKED? STAFF, COMMUNITY, CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT ACADEMY, THE CITIZENS ACADEMY, THAT'S, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE ATTENDANCE, BUT YES, WE HAVE THE STAFF KEEP TRACK OF ALL THE VOLUNTEERS THAT HAVE OKAY. HOW OFTEN? ALL RIGHT, SO THAT WOULD BE ONE METRIC. SO JUST SIMPLE VOLUNTEER NUMBERS, RETENTION, ADVANCEMENT, THERE'S STORY. ALL THAT STUFF COULD BE REPORTED. I'M GOING BACK TO MY LAST QUESTION. MY, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS THAT I NEVER CAN I TAKE OFF TRUST AND SUPPORT BECAUSE IT'S TOO SUBJECTIVE. OKAY. CAN I ADD ANOTHER MEASUREMENT IF YOU WANT ANOTHER YES. CONCRETE. CONCRETE. UM, OKAY, NOW I'VE LOST IT. OH, NUMBER OF, NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS WE GET WHEN THERE ARE OPEN POSITIONS ON COMMITTEES. OH GOOD. I TOLD YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE WE'D LIKE TO BE ENGAGED EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ENGAGE THEM ALL. GREAT. OKAY. SO THE GREAT THING IS HOME RULE PASSES. THAT'S A GREAT METRIC BECAUSE IT'S BLACK AND WHITE, RIGHT? BESIDES, UH, SO ON ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT, WE HAVE ATTENDANCE OF EVENTS, ASSISTANCE ACADEMY, WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM, THEIR PLACEMENT, THE RETENTION, THE VOLUNTEER NUMBERS, OVERALL NUMBER OF APPLICANTS TO COMMITTEES. UM, IS THAT, IF THAT WAS BEING TRACKED IN THE NEXT IN 26 CONSISTENTLY, DOES THAT HELP HELP EVERYONE, BOTH STAFF AND COUNCIL BE ABLE TO SAY YES, WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS ON SPECIFICALLY ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT. OKAY. SO, UM, LET'S GO TO THE, LET SEE, I'M GONNA PUT SATISFACTION MEASURES, IS THAT ITS OWN STANDALONE METRIC. OKAY. SO PARTNERSHIPS, SO THAT'S CONNECTED TO, THAT'S KIND OF CONNECTED TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT WE HAVE, UH, JOINT PROJECTS, THOSE ARE THE SHORT TERM WINS AND PARTNERSHIPS AS SOME OF THE OTHER IDEAS [02:45:01] ARE THOSE MEASURABLE OBJECTIVES, ARE THOSE THINGS THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE COME BEFORE YOU? AND WOULD YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE STAFF PUSHING FORWARD ON STRATEGIZING, IMPLEMENTING, BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR? COULD SOMEBODY THAT JOINT PROJECT? YEAH. SO JOINT PROJECTS AND JAVELINAS. SO THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT WOULD BE STRATEGIC TO DO A FIREWISE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THEY COULD GET BUY-IN QUICKLY AND GIVE A RALLYING CRY FOR, FOR EVERYONE TO GET ENGAGED IN EASIER THAN SOMETHING THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECT. IS THAT A CITYWIDE PROJECT? YOU KNOW, THAT I I I DON'T THINK THEY DUG INTO EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE. IT WOULD JUST BE THE, YEP. IS THAT A GOOD WAY TO CAPTURE THAT, PETE? OKAY. 'CAUSE THE, UM, THE SUSTAINABILITY PROJECT, INCLUDING TWO MORE RIGHT. NEIGHBORHOODS I'LL CALL IT. YEAH. AND I WROTE THAT DOWN RIGHT HERE. SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE. I THINK IT WAS EXACTLY SAID IT COULD BE FIREWISE, IT COULD BE WATER RELATED, WHATEVER THAT NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS THAT FITS WITHIN THAT OVERALL, RIGHT? SO CITY MANAGER. SO ONE OF THE OBJECTIVE, I MEAN, YOU COULD CREATE AN OBJECTIVE THAT SAYS WE WANT IN IN 2026 TO SEE, TO SEE THREE, UH, SHORT TERM JOINT PROJECTS AND THEN YOU LEAVE IT FOR THAT TO GET FLESHED OUT. YEAH. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE BROAD. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE JUST AT A NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL, IT BE ANOTHER EVENT, A NEW EVENT THAT MAYBE IS CITIZEN DRIVEN, BUT PARTNERS WITH THE CITY TO DELIVER IT. SO, OKAY. SO IF WE JUST CHOOSE A NUMBER, HOW MANY, I'M SORRY, JOANNE, DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING BEFORE I, SO IS THAT WHERE WE COULD INTERJECT THE STAKEHOLDER CHAMPIONS, COUNCIL CHAMPIONS AND STAFF CHAMPIONS AS PART OF THAT, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE MEASURABLE UHHUH . YEAH. IN THOSE JOINT PROJECTS? YEAH. YEAH. HONESTLY, BASED ON WHAT I HEARD TODAY AND YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF HAVING A COUNCIL CHAMPION, YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE THE CHAMPIONS OVER EACH OF THESE PRIORITIES AND THEN THEY GET TO CHOOSE THEIR INVOLVEMENT AND REGARDING HOW TO SPEARHEAD THINGS OR HOW TO HELP TRACKS UH, STAKEHOLDERS, LIKE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE THEN ALSO ANTICIPATING. YEAH. YES. ALL THAT CAN GET FLUSHED OUT. SO MY QUESTION IS, IS IF THE, UM, SHORT TERM WIN OF HAVE CREATING JOINT PROJECTS, HOW MANY JOINT PROJECTS IN 2026 WOULD FEEL LIKE A WIN FOR THE COUNCIL? RIGHT NOW? I THINK WE TAKE ONE. YEAH, ANOTHER ONE. . OKAY. SO BIDDING IS A ONE. AT LEAST FOUR. OKAY. WE HAVE A STRETCH GOAL OF FOUR, THAT'S ONE A QUARTER. GREAT. , WHAT I, I TOTALLY BELIEVE IN STRETCH GOALS, SO I'M ALL FOR MORE. BUT WHAT? 10. ALRIGHT. ONE, ONE A QUARTER FEELS REASONABLE IF STAFF THINKS IT FEELS USABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE THE ONES WHO ARE PRIMARILY ENGAGED IN THIS, RIGHT? SO IF, IF ONE A QUARTER FEELS REASONABLE, WE WOULD KNOW AFTER A YEAR WHETHER OR NOT THAT WORKS IN OUR COMMUNITY, RIGHT? WE KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE ACTUALLY ACTUALLY ABLE TO DO ONE A QUARTER FOR WHATEVER REASON. COULD BE STAFF ISSUES, IT COULD BE CITIZEN ISSUES, IT COULD BE, AND MELISSA ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. MELISSA SAID, THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A DIFFERENT MENTALITY THAN HERE'S HER GOALS AND YOU'RE IN TROUBLE IF YOU DON'T REACH 'EM VERSUS SAYING, WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT ON COMMUNITY, LET'S TRY THIS AND LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN GET DONE AND LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN LEARN FROM IT. THOSE ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, PERSPECTIVES AND MANAGEMENT. SO THANKS FOR SAYING THAT. AND, AND I, I HOPE THAT THAT'S THE OVERARCHING BELIEF, YOU KNOW, AMONGST COUNCIL IS, IS LET'S GET SOMETHING DONE AND WE'LL CELEBRATE WHAT WE GET DONE AND, AND, AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHY THINGS DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO, SORRY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL. THAT'S MY PERSONAL ATTITUDE OF LEADERSHIP, BUT SO WHERE'S [02:50:01] THE, WE'RE AT FOUR. SHOULD WE GO TO THREE? OR STAFF? WHAT'S WHAT'S YOUR INPUT TO COUNSEL? DOES FOUR SEEM LIKE A GOOD STRETCH GOAL? MEANING IT'S NOT EASY TO GET TO, BUT IT'S WORTHY TO GET TO AND IT'S ACHIEVABLE IF YOU FOCUS ON IT. I, I, TO ME IT'S A MATTER OF HOW MANY DIFFICULT PROJECTS ARE WE GONNA DO IN 26. AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE SHOULD HAVE THIS MODEL. AND SO FOUR, I'M SORRY. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE A MICROPHONE THOUGH. START FROM SCRATCH. MY THOUGHT WAS THAT FOR 2026, HOWEVER MANY DIFFICULT AND MAYBE CONTROVERSIAL PROJECTS WE HAVE, EACH ONE OF THOSE ARE GONNA NEED TO HAVE THIS MODEL. SO, SO FOUR I THINK IS A LOW NUMBER, BUT IT'S A GOOD START. WELL, BUT IF I UNDERSTAND THE, THE HEART OF THE TEAM THAT'S SUGGESTED IT IS, SOME OF THIS IS LOW LYING FRUIT, RIGHT? THIS IS EASY STUFF TO RALLY PEOPLE AROUND. AM I UNDERSTANDING THE, THE GENIUS OF THAT OR THE ATTITUDE OF THAT? 'CAUSE YOUR TEAM KIND SAID THE SAME THING, DIDN'T YOU? WELL, AND I, I, SO JUST SPEAKING SELFISHLY, YOU KNOW, I, I SEE THE JOINT PROJECTS AND EACH YEAR WE PICK A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THESE THAT ARE SHORT TERM WINS WHILE WE WORK ON THE HARD STUFF, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO YOU'RE CONSTANTLY CELEBRATING SUCCESS, RIGHT? WHILE YOU'RE ALSO TRUDGING THROUGH THINGS? YEAH, THE TWO YEAR PROJECT, THE FIVE YEAR PROJECT, THE 25 YEAR PROJECT. RIGHT. SO IN ADDITION TO, AND WHILE WE'RE DOING THE CONTROVERSIAL STUFF, WE'RE ALSO DOING THE THINGS THAT WE CAN CELEBRATE ALONG THE WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN CONTINUE TO BE EXCITED ABOUT. OKAY. SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I THINK IT'S MORE A NUMBER OF IT, IT, TO ME THAT NUMBER LOOKS LIKE HOW MANY DO WE NEED TO DO EACH YEAR? THAT KEEPS US IN THE MIND'S EYE OF CELEBRATION. SO HOW MANY DO WE NEED TO DO SO THAT THE COMMUNITY IS CONSTANTLY SAYING YEAH, LOOK AT THAT. LOOK AT THAT, LOOK AT THAT. WHILE WE'RE STILL DREDGING THROUGH THE HARD STUFF. I WOULD SAY FOUR OR SIX. OKAY. BETWEEN THERE I THOUGHT YOU FOR 12. NO, I'M GONNA GO FOR 12, BUT THANK YOU. FIR FIRST YEAR OUT . THAT'S RIGHT. EASY FOR ME TO SAY FOR A MONTH AND A HALF. ART IS, WE GOT DONE. ALRIGHT, HOW ABOUT, SO WE CAN KEEP MOVING. HOW ABOUT WE SETTLE ON FOUR? IT'S, THERE'S STILL A CHALLENGE BUILT INTO IT. A LOT OF THINGS TO LEARN IN THE PROCESS, BUT THEN AT LEAST THERE, THERE'S A GOOD NUMBER. IS THAT FAIR? IF I COULD ADD JUST A LITTLE FLAVOR TO THAT. YES. LET'S NOT LIMIT TO OURSELVES TO JUST THE PROJECTS THAT WITHIN COMPLETE CITY CONTROL. FIREWISE IS ONE OF THEM. OKAY. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE FIRE DISTRICT THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH IT AND THE FOREST SERVICE AND EVERYBODY ELSE. SO SOMETIMES IT SEEMS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT ON AS INITIATIVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT COMPLETELY . WE GOTTA TAKE A RISK HERE AND DO SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO GET PARTNERSHIP WITH. OKAY. PARTNER, PARTNER. I'M TRACKING WITH YOU. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO NOTE THAT SO WE DON'T LOSE IT FOR YOU CAN ACTUALLY, FOR THAT YOU CAN JUST SAY CITY BUSINESS CITIZENS ON YOUR PARTNERSHIP THERE. AT THE END OF THAT JUST PUT COMMA OTHER AGENCIES. OH, OKAY. AND THAT'LL COVER IT. YOU CAN I CAN I PAUSE IT THAT WE MIGHT SHOOT FOR BOTH IF YOU DO SIX. YEAH. CELEBRATE TWICE MORE. WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? WHAT THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS FIRST YEAR IS TO SAY HOW MANY CAN WE GET DONE AND DO WE THINK BASED ON WHAT WE LEARNED, THAT WE HAVE X MORE OF THEM AVAILABLE BEFORE THEY GET SO HARD. WE HAVE TO TAKE SIX MONTHS IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS FIRST YEAR IS FIGURE THAT OUT. OKAY. I'M GOING TO ERASE THE SUGGESTED PROJECTS JUST BECAUSE I WANT US TO HAVE CLARITY ON THE COMMITMENTS BEING MADE AND THE OBJECTIVES. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR UNDER COMMUNITY NUMBER ONE, HOME RULE PASSES AND I'M SURE THERE'S A WHOLE STRATEGY THAT HAS TO BE FLESHED OUT ON THAT. UM, UH, SATISFACTION MEASURES GO UP. WELL YOU GUYS WILL HAVE TO EVALUATE THOSE METRICS, WHAT THAT IS, BUT AT LEAST YOU'LL GET THE DATA. SO THE OPTIONS WITH THAT, THESE ARE THE OPTIONS, IS THAT YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT YOUR TRI-ANNUAL IS COMING UP AUGUST, UH, 2026. YOU CAN ADD A QUESTION OR TO YOUR EXISTING OR YOU CAN CREATE YOUR OWN, UM, ASSESSMENT, YOU KNOW, SURVEY. THERE'S TONS OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT, BUT [02:55:01] ONE WAY OR ANOTHER YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE MEASURING SATISFACTION. OKAY. UM, I'M GOING TO TAKE OFF THE CONNECTED FEELING MORE CONNECTED BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A SUBJECTIVE BYPRODUCT OF WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING. IS THAT OKAY? ALRIGHT. SO PEOPLE PARTICIPATE THEN THEY'RE FEELING MORE CONNECTED BY, RIGHT? YEAH. IT'LL BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS SHOULD BE ABLE TO DEBRIEF ANYTHING AND SAY, OKAY, ARE WE, ARE WE DOING THAT? ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL HAVE A GOAL, UH, TO COMPLETE FOUR JOINT PROJECTS THAT ARE SHORT TERM WINS. UM, UH, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE PARTNERSHIPS INCLUDING THE CITY BUSINESS, UH, CITIZENS AND OTHER AGENCIES. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THOSE TWO BEING IN THE SAME OBJECTIVE? DO THEY CAPTURE IT? I'M SORRY. WAS THAT A YES. ALRIGHT. UM, THE ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT WILL BE FOCUSED ON THE INCREASE IN MEASUREMENT OF, UH, THE ATTENDANCE OF EVENTS TO AS BEST AS IT COULD BE. THEY, THEY, THEY COULD BE MEASURED, UH, THE CITIZEN ACADEMY, THE PLACEMENT, RETENTION, VOLUNTEER NUMBERS, ALL ALWAYS, UM, UH, RETENTION OF VOLUNTEERS SHOULD BE A, A MEASUREMENT. UM, AND THEN THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS TO THE, UH, DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AND VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES. I THROW SOMETHING IN THERE. YES. ALSO AC ACADEMY FOR PD. THAT'S TRUE. CAN WE JUST SAY VOLUNTEER ACADEMIES? YEAH. YOU GET . WE GOT TWO YEAR. TWO YEAR. THEY HAVE TWO A YEAR. SO THAT'S . GOOD. WE ONLY HAVE ONE CHAIR. AND WHAT WOULD BE A A MARKER FOR YOU COMMENTING THE CITY THAT THE PD THAT ENTER. OKAY, SO ON COMMUNITY ARE THOSE OBJECTIVES THAT DESCRIBE WINS ARE THOSE OBJECTIVES THAT, THAT FEEL LIKE, OKAY, THAT WOULD BE A PRIORITY AT THE END OF 2026. IF WE ACCOMPLISHED ALL THESE THINGS, THEN WE WOULD SAY WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS. WE HA THIS IS A GOOD YEAR SPENT. I THINK YOU LEFT OUT. SO WHY DID WE LEAVE OUT? WELL, JOAN HAS MENTIONED BEFORE, BUT I THINK I HEARD YOU. IT'S HARD TO HEAR YOU GUYS OVER HERE. UH, PROJECT, THE CONTROVERSIAL PROJECTS JUST MENTIONED THAT WHERE WE WANT TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY AS WE'RE PLANNING REALLY EARLY IN THE PROCESS, THAT'S NOT IN THERE AT ALL. SO I THINK THE, THE COMMUNICATION ENGAGEMENT VALUE IS WHERE THAT NEEDS TO BE A STANDARD QUESTION WITH EVERY ACTIVITY THAT IS TAKING PLACE. SO, SO IT'LL BE, UM, MANAGEMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO CONSTANTLY JUST BRING THIS INTO THEIR, THEIR OWN ASSESSMENT AS THEY'RE WORKING ON THINGS AND, AND CONTINUE TO PROBLEM SOLVE. HOW DO WE INCREASE THAT ONE ? OKAY. IS THAT CLEAR THAT WE'RE STILL IN INTER INTEGRATING THAT INTO EVERYTHING? AMBER? YEAH. BARBARA AND I WERE JUST DISCUSSING IT AND WE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATION ENGAGEMENT IS A, IS A VALUE AND A PRIORITY OF OURS. UM, I CAME FROM THE CITY OF NASHVILLE AND EVERY BIG PROJECT WE HAVE A CHARTER AS ENGAGEMENT PROJECT STAKEHOLDERS, BUSINESS PARTNER, PARTNER AND THE INTERDEPARTMENT. AND THEN CAN PROVIDE UPDATES. YEAH. AS IT PROGRESS. YEAH. IT'S, AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS BECOME REALLY CLEAR WHEN YOU SAY THIS IS PRIORITY, THIS IS VALUE. NOW YOU CAN START COMING UP WITH THOSE MECHANISMS AND THIS SHOULD BE REPEATABLE. SO WHATEVER DISCIPLINE, IT'S A DISCIPLINE. SO I USE THE WORD VALUE OR DISCIPLINE AND THAT, THAT YOU CREATE THE, THE SYSTEMS AND THE, THE ACCOUNTABILITIES AND THE PROCESSES ORGANIZATIONALLY SO THAT, SO THAT YOU DON'T WAKE UP ONE DAY AND SAY, OH, HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, PUT THAT ON THE BACK BURNER. THAT WAS NEVER OUR INTENTION, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S JUST INTEGRATED INTO EVERYTHING YOU DO, IT'LL SHOW UP. SO, UM, OKAY. ANY, I FEEL LIKE WE CAN MOVE OFF OF COMMUNITY. IS THAT OKAY? ALL RIGHT. I'M GONNA ASK EVERYONE TO [03:00:01] STAND UP. I'M TRYING TO DO WHAT I TELL PEOPLE TO READ THE ROOM. ALL RIGHT. WE STILL HAVE COOKIES SOMEWHERE AROUND HERE. YEAH. WHY DON'T, WHY DOES EVERYONE JUST TAKE FIVE MINUTES TO STRETCH AND GET FRESH AIR, RESTROOM, WHATEVER YOU NEED. YES. SO AND SO KNOW WHAT COUNCIL'S LOOKING FOR FROM PROJECTS WHEN WE COME BACK ON THURSDAY WITH OUR MORE SPECIFIC PROJECTS. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK FOR STAFF TOMORROW, IF YOU GET INTO, I WOULD PLAN ON COMING BACK ON THURSDAY WITH PROPOSAL. LIKE IF THE GOAL FOR JOINT PROJECTS, I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME BACK WITH SIX AND, AND WITH PRIORITIES IT'S LIKE THIS ONE WE COULD KNOCK OFF IN THE FIRST QUARTER. THIS ONE WE COULD KNOCK OFF IN THE SECOND QUARTER AND, AND THESE OTHER ONES WILL PROBABLY TAKE THE REST OF THE YEAR. BUT, BUT HERE'S WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING. AND THEN LET THEM GIVE YOU THEIR, THEIR FEEDBACK AND AT LEAST THEN THEY KNOW WHAT TRACK YOU'RE GOING DOWN. OR THEY CAN SAY, OH NO, WE TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD EACH OTHER. WHAT, WHAT WE MEANT BY THAT. AND HOPEFULLY, I THINK YOU'VE ALL SAID IT A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, BUT, OR THEY MAY BE ABLE TO THROW IN SOME EXTRA SUGGESTIONS OR FOLLOW UP WITH CONTACTS AND STUFF. ALRIGHT, I'M TRYING TO DO A QUICK ATTENDANCE OF WHO'S HERE, WHO'S NOT. UM, SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS SHIFT TO HOUSING AND LAND USE AS A PRIORITY. NOW, AGAIN, THE TOP TWO COMMUNITY AND HOUSING, LAND, LAND USE, I CAME UP ON EVERY SINGLE PRESENTATION, EVERY, EVERY SINGLE GROUP'S, UH, CONSOLIDATED MODEL. SO OBVIOUSLY THEY NEED TO BE STANDING PRIORITIES IN 26, BUT LET'S TRY TO DEFINE IT. AND I KNOW THAT TONY HAS SOME WORK. I BET HE'S, HE'S GETTING DONE AND, AND SOME REPORTS THAT HE'LL BE SHARING IN THE NEAR FUTURE. BUT, UM, RATHER THAN STARTING FROM THE POINT OF OBJECTIVES, I AM CURIOUS TO HEAR FROM COUNSEL WHAT, 'CAUSE THIS IS A, I'VE ALREADY SAID THIS TO A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES, UM, AND SOME OF MY ONE-ON-ONES I'VE SAID THIS TO, THIS IS A HUGE MONSTER OF A PROBLEM. AND IT'S A MONSTER BECAUSE, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE, UH, THESE PESKY THINGS CALLED, UH, MOUNTAINS AND RED ROCK AND UH, AND LIMITS ON YOUR, ON YOUR BOUNDARIES AND FOREST LAND AND THIS THING CALLED SUPPLY AND DEMAND AND, AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT MARKET FORCES THAT ARE A PART OF THE PUZZLE THAT YOU DON'T GET TO CONTROL AT ALL. AND, AND SO HUGE, HUGE STUFF, UH, BUILT INTO THIS. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANNA RECOGNIZE THIS JUST COMPLICATED WHERE COUNCIL IS TODAY. WHAT ARE THE KEY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO GET ANSWERED IN YOUR OWN HEAD OR THAT YOU ARE HOPING, UH, STAFF CAN CONTINUE TO HELP? ANSWER QUESTIONS. HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS SHOULD WE ENCOURAGE AND MEASURE THE CONSTRUCTION OF HOW, WHAT TYPE OF UNITS AND HOW MANY OF EACH TYPE OF UNIT SHOULD BE PART OF THAT OVERALL GOAL? OKAY, HOW MANY UNITS AND TYPE MM-HMM . OKAY. WHAT DO WE, WHAT DOES THE SCHOOL SYSTEM NEED IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL STUDENTS? WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP THEM GET MORE STUDENTS THROUGH HOUSING THAT WILL KEEP THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AFLO? [03:05:01] I JUST USE THE WORD SUSTAINABLE, IF THAT'S OKAY. SURE. AND WHAT KIND OF CREATIVE PROGRAMS, FINANCING VEHICLES YOU NAME IT ARE AVAILABLE FOR US TO USE TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THESE GOALS THAT WE'LL HAVE? OKAY. WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE TO UTILIZE GREAT. AND WHAT PARTNERS SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT? OKAY, SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS AND TYPE DO YOU NEED TO BE LOOKING AT? UH, WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THE SCHOOL NEED TO STAY SUSTAINABLE? WHAT PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE TO, TO UTILIZE AND WHAT PARTNERS SHOULD WE EXPLORE? GOT IT. OKAY. DO YOU WANNA GO UNDER THE TYPE, I JUST WANNA EXPAND ON THAT BECAUSE I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL THAT WE WANT TO KEEP, UM, FAMILIES HERE IF WE'D LIKE TO ATTRACT MORE, BUT BASED ON THE PRESENTATION THIS MORNING, WE SAW THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS AGING UNDER TYPE OF HOUSING. I WANT TO IDENTIFY NEEDS FOR OUR AGING POPULATION AND WHAT WE MIGHT NEED IN TERMS OF INDEPENDENT LIVING, ASSISTED LIVING. WE HAVE A LACK OF THAT AND WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO ADDRESS IT. OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THE NEEDS FOR AGING POPULATION? TALK FOR BITS ON THAT. , LISA, I DISAGREE. SURPRISE, SURPRISE. THIS TO ME GOES BACK TO THAT WHOLE COMMENT, THE WHOLE CONCEPT AROUND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WHO DO WE WANT TO BE IN THE FUTURE? WE KNOW WHO WE ARE NOW, RIGHT? WE SAW NUMBERS ABOUT WHO WE ARE NOW, BUT IF WE WANT TO NOT BE BACK, IF WE WANT TO ATTRACT YOUNGER PEOPLE, WE WANNA ATTRACT ENTREPRENEURS. IF WE WANNA ATTRACT WHATEVER IT IS WE DECIDE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WISE, THEN THAT'S GONNA CHANGE WHAT KIND OF HOUSING WE NEED. IF YOU WANT FAMILIES, THEN THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF HOUSING THEN WE ONLY HAVE SINGLE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOUSE. SO I THINK YOU, WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT WE EITHER ARE GOING TO BUILD TO SUSTAIN THE COMMUNITY WE HAVE OR WE'RE GOING TO BUILD TO ENCOURAGE THE COMMUNITY WE WANT. AND ONCE THE HOUSING IS BUILT, WE'RE OUT OF LAND AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE CONVERTING STUDIOS TO TWO OR THREE BEDROOM HOUSES. SO THAT'S WHY I KEEP COMING BACK TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WHO DO WE WANT A HOUSE? AND IF WE ALSO WANT A HOUSE POPULATION THAT'S ALREADY WORKING NEAR THAT YOUNGER, WHETHER AGAIN, I'LL JUST MY SPIEL, YOU KNOW, FIRST RESPONDERS, HEALTHCARE WORKERS, EDUCATORS, ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE, WELL THEY, IF YOU, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO WANT TO BRING THEIR FAMILIES OR TO CREATE FAMILIES TO START FAMILIES OR WHATEVER IT IS. AND THAT REQUIRES US TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT KIND OF HOUSING IS LIKE, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHERE WE WANNA BE IN THE FIVE YEARS IT'S GONNA TAKE US TO BUILD THIS HOUSING. OKAY. SO I WROTE DOWN WHO DO WE WANT TO BE? BIG QUESTION MARK AND I PUT MAINTAIN OR GROW. ALRIGHT, ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA COME BACK TO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A LARGER PICTURE BEYOND THE 26 MAYOR. WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS NOT IN THE OVERCOME. OKAY. OKAY. WHAT ARE THE BARRIERS AND HOW DO WE OVERCOME THEM? THAT'S A BIG ONE. NO, NO, THAT'S I YEAH, [03:10:01] I THAT'S A GREAT ONE. COUNCIL MEMBER. ALONG THOSE LINES, JUST WHAT HAVE ANY UNNECESSARY DEVELOP, OKAY, WE MAKE UNNECESSARY, SIMPLER WITHOUT SACRIFICE SAFETY. SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO SIMPLIFY OR MAKE EASIER OR WHAT DO YOU PREFER? STREAMLINE. STREAMLINE. OKAY. STREAMLINE. IS IT SPECIFICALLY DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE THINKING THROUGH CONSTRUCTION HOUSES? OKAY. I'M JUST GONNA USE CONSTRUCTION THEN. . OKAY. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. ALL RIGHT, UM, PETE, UH, THESE ARE ALL GREAT QUESTIONS AND THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF QUESTIONS THAT I WAS ALLUDING TO IN EARLIER STATEMENTS, BUT I'VE WRITTEN THIS MAINTAIN OR GROW OR DECLINE, BUT IT FOCUS FOR ME IS ON OUR FULL-TIME RESIDENTS. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A VERY EXPLICIT COUNSEL DIRECTIONS STATEMENT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE ON THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION. THEN IF IT'S GROW, THEN WE GET TO ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS. IF IT'S MAINTAIN OR DECLINE, BECAUSE WE CAN BE A VERY SUCCESSFUL ECONOMY WITH EVEN FEWER FULL-TIME RESIDENCY. I MEAN, IT'S FINE TO HAVE AN ECONOMY THAT'S DRIVEN. SO THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT I THINK PROVIDES EVERYTHING. AND, AND BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING, IT MIGHT BE EASY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD EXPLICITLY GREAT. SO WE IDENTIFY WHICH MIC IS MAKING THAT? IT'S THE COFFEE MAKER. OH, IT'S THE COFFEE MAKER. COFFEEMAKER. IT'S BEHIND ME. JONATHAN. HEAVY READING I ATE. SO IT'S NOT MY STOMACH, IT'S ALLERGY. OKAY, SO, SO LET'S, LET'S ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TIMELINES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO IN 26, AND THEN WE HAVE THE LARGER PICTURE OF, OF WHO DO WE WANNA BE, WHICH I'VE NOW HEARD A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES AND THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TRAJECTORIES OF SOLUTIONS. TRUE? NO, IN 26 WE ARE NOT GONNA MAGICALLY BUILD HOUSES. OKAY? SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, IF A VISION FOR WESTERN GATEWAY, WE BETTER ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTION BEFORE WE DO ANY MORE WORK ON. SO IF STAFF WAS ABLE TO COME TO YOU WITH SCENARIOS AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL WITH QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN A SEPARATE, UH, WORK SESSION OR STUDY SESSION, COULD YOU AS COUNSEL SIT DOWN AND HAVE THAT DEBATE? BECAUSE, 'CAUSE THIS IS SUCH A HUGE THING AND IT ISN'T A SNAP YOUR FINGERS AND POOF, WE HAVE 400 UNITS, HOUSING UNITS, WE MADE IT HAPPEN. THAT'S RIGHT. SO EVERYTHING ON THIS SOLUTION IS GENERALLY MORE COMPLICATED IF COUNT, IF THE STAFF COULD ANSWER THESE CORE QUESTIONS OR ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANNA ADD TO THIS AND GIVE, AND THIS IS THE, THIS IS HOW THEY LIVE OUT THE PRIORITY UNTIL THEY GET FURTHER DIRECTION FROM A COUNCIL WHO'S FULLY DEBATED IT AMONGST THEMSELVES WITH THE NEEDED INFORMATION. DOES THAT, IS THAT STILL PROGRESS? SOME OF IT REQUIRES POLICY BE ESTABLISHED. I DON'T THINK WE CAN EXPECT STAFF TO DEVELOP . COULD YOU GIMME AN EXAMPLE? AND I'M TRU TRULY ASKING FROM, I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA. EDUCATE ME. SO THE, YOU'VE DONE STUDY AFTER STUDY AND THEY SHOW A LACK OF AFFORDABLE. THE COUNCIL HAS NOT HAD THE CONVERSATION OR THE DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER, [03:15:02] WHO IS THAT HOUSING FOR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GENERICALLY, WE NEED SO MANY UNITS BECAUSE OF PORTABILITY. WHERE SHOULD THEY BE BUILT? WHAT LAND IS AVAILABLE? WHO ARE WE TARGETING TO LIVE? WE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY COME UP WITH AN ANSWER. AND I HEARD FROM STAFF AND I'VE HEARD FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, OH, WE NEED EVERYTHING. SO TO START SOMEWHERE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR. AND THEN WE CRITICIZE STAFF BECAUSE THEY COME SAY, WELL YOU CAN DEAL WITH THIS. SO IT HAS TO START WITH US. AND WE, WE, WE HAVE SOME DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND WE NEED TO COALESCE SO THAT STAFF FEEL LIKE THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING SUCCESSFULLY. I THINK WE HAVE BEEN BARRIER WITH STAFF SUCCESS THROUGH CERTAIN SURE. AND, AND THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, BEING LED BY BOARD IS THAT, IS THAT YOU, YOU, AT SOME POINT A VOTE HAS TO TAKE PLACE AND CLEAR EXPECTATIONS AND DIRECTIONS HAVE TO BE GIVEN TO STAFF SO THEY CAN GO DO IT. AND IF THE EXPECTATIONS KEEP CHANGING, THEN THEY'RE THE ONES GETTING THE BRUNT OF THE FRUSTRATION. AND THEY JUST, LIKE ANY, ANYONE ELSE, YOU KNOW, I, I SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH STAFF NOW, YOU KNOW, THEY LOVE THEIR WORK, THEY LOVE DOING WHAT THEY DO. THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROFESSIONALS, THEY'RE PASSIONATE AND, AND THEY WANT THEIR WORK TO MATTER. AND THERE'S A WHOLE STUDY, UH, OUTTA STANFORD BASED ON, ON WHAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE'S MOTIVATION BASED ON, ON HAVING THEM BUILD A LEGO IN FRONT OF A SOMEONE AND THEN THE PERSON TEARING THE LEGO UP AND THROWING IT IN THE BUCKET, OR NOT LOOKING AT IT AT ALL AND THROWING IT IN THE BUCKET AND HOW THEIR BEHAVIOR CHANGES. YOU KNOW, WE ALL WANT OUR WORK TO MATTER AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE THAT. WHAT I WANNA GET YOU TO IS KNOWING THAT THIS IS NOT A ONE YEAR SOLUTION, THIS IS A LARGER CONVERSATION THAT THE COUNCIL HAS NOT FINISHED. FLESHING OUT STAFF CAN ASSIST YOU BY ANSWERING THE TWO, THE BEST OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND THEIR ABILITY THAT TRY TO GIVE YOU THE ANSWERS OR AT LEAST THE GUESSTIMATES AND LET YOU DEBATE IT SO THAT YOU CAN FINALLY IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, CAST A VOTE, MAKE A MOTION, CAST A VOTE, AND GIVE THEM A CLEAR DIRECTION OF WHAT TO DO NEXT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHALLENGE STAFF WITH? AND YES, ALL THESE ARE HARD QUESTIONS, BUT THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE. I WANT TO ASK YOU A CLARIFYING QUESTION. ARE YOU TRYING TO SET OUR EXPECTATION RIGHT NOW THAT THAT'S, THAT GETTING ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS IS ALL WE WOULD GET IN THE NEXT YEAR? NO, THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE. WELL, LET ME CLARIFY THEN I'M SAYING THAT, THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALREADY AT A DEAD END OR YOU'RE ALREADY STUCK BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE TO HAVE A DEBATE AND THE TRAJECTORY OF THE ANSWER, THE TRAJECTORY OF YOUR DECISIONS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU ARE GOING TO TELL STAFF WHAT TO DO NEXT. SO I JUST FROM MY OUTSIDER'S POINT OF VIEW, THAT IF YOU COULD TAKE THE FIRST STEP OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PRIORITY, IT'S TO GET CLARITY ON WHAT STAFF CAN DELIVER FOR YOU. SO THEN YOU CAN HAVE THE NEEDED DEBATE. AND I'VE HEARD THAT FROM, FROM MULTIPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY, THAT THIS, AND I HEARD IT AGAIN TODAY, AFFIRMED THAT, THAT THIS BIG QUESTION OF WHO DO WE WANT TO BE? ARE WE GOING TO MAINTAIN, ARE WE GONNA GROW? ARE WE GONNA SAY NO, THIS IS JUST GONNA BE THE COMMUNITY. IT IS. WE'RE NOT GONNA FIGHT THAT FORCE. OKAY, THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. I THOUGHT WE WERE THROWING OUT THE SANTA MONICA FREEWAY FOR A SECOND HERE. OH, WE WERE GONNA GO TO NO 18 MONTH MODEL. NO, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO BE REALISTIC WITH YOU BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO STILL MAKE PROGRESS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA STAY HERE, RIGHT? WITH JUST, WE KNOW WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS, BUT WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO DO NEXT. IF, SO, IF YOU CAN CLARIFY THE QUESTIONS, THEN MAYBE YOU CAN TAKE THE NEXT STEP. MY, MY ENCOURAGEMENT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS IS GET ON, AS THE STAFF STARTS WORKING ON ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS, THEY CAN HOPEFULLY COME BACK BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN STUDIES, AS [03:20:01] I UNDERSTAND STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE. SO SOME OF IT'S GOING BACK, SOME OF IT'S UPDATING INFORMATION, SOME OF IT'S ANSWERING NEW QUESTIONS, GIVING YOU DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. BUT AS COUNSEL, IF YOU CAN GET ON YOUR AGENDA, THE, THE DAY TO HAVE THE INFORMATION, THE STUDY SESSION AND THE DEBATES, THEN GET IT ON THE CALENDAR AND THAT IS PROGRESS. AND THEN MAYBE AFTER YOU HAVE THAT DEBATE, YOU CAN THEN YOU CAN THEN MAKE THE NEXT DECISIONS OF, NOW WE WANT, UH, WE WANT TO SEE IF WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THE, WE WANNA BRING IN YOUNGER FAMILIES AND, AND WE WANT THIS MANY HOUSING AND WE, YOU KNOW, THEN THAT'S A TRAJECTORY. SO THAT'S MY PROPOSAL. IS THAT FAIR FOR WHERE YOU GUYS ARE AT TODAY WITH SUCH A HUGE PRIORITY? I'D BE A GREAT FACILITATOR AND CONSULTANT IF I COULD SNAP MY FINGERS AND JUST SAY, HERE'S ALL YOU NEED TO DO. WE'LL GET THIS DONE IN 26 MOBILE HOMES FOR EVERYONE. UM, SO SORRY, I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT I SAY SINCE WE'RE ALL RECORDED. . UM, SO ARE YOU OKAY WITH STAFF? ARE YOU OKAY WITH TAKING ON THAT CHALLENGE? OKAY, I HAVE, CAN I THROW OUT A SUGGESTION? YES, PLEASE. OKAY. SO AS I'M SEEING THAT, AND WHEN I HEARD YOU EARLIER, JONATHAN, THE THING THAT IMMEDIATELY CAME TO MY MIND WAS A SERIES OF SCENARIOS, RIGHT? SCENARIO A IS WE TAKE ROOT WHERE WE GROW THE FAMILIES, WE GROW THE ENTREPRENEURS, WE TAKE THAT ROUTE. THE SECOND ROUTE IS WE GROW OUR SERVICE SECTOR RECOGNIZING WE'RE CONTINUING. SO I'M LOOKING AT A SERIES OF, AND THEN IF I'M GONNA GO ALONG WITH MY, MY ENGINEER COLLEAGUES HERE, THE THIRD WOULD BE THE NO BUILD. UM, JUST TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DO NOTHING MM-HMM . BUT IF WE WERE TO PAINT THOSE SCENARIOS AS IDEAS AND SAY AS STAFF AND SAY YOU TAKE THIS DIRECTION, HERE'S HOW WE WOULD, HERE'S HOW WE WOULD FOLLOW THAT THROUGH AND ANSWER EACH ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS. YES. AND SO WHAT COUNSEL WOULD END UP GETTING FROM US, IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF WE'RE WORKING ON THEN IS A SERIES OF OPTIONS. NOT TO SAY YOU HAVE TO ABSOLUTELY GO DOWN ONE, BUT IT GIVES YOU A SERIES TO SAY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT THIS ONE WOULD LIKE OR THIS ONE WOULD LOOK LIKE OR THIS ONE WOULD LOOK LIKE, AT LEAST TO HAVE A WORKING, A WORKING MODEL, RIGHT? IF YOU'LL IS THAT KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE HEADED? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING TOO. OKAY. IS THAT IF, IF COUNSEL HAS THE ANSWERS TO THAT IN MULTIPLE SCENARIOS, THEN THEY CAN BETTER DEBATE THE VALIDITY OF THOSE OR MAYBE SEE THE GENIUS THAT A WAY TO COMBINE THOSE THAT THAT WILL COME TO LIGHT. BECAUSE TO ME THAT'S A CLEAR DIRECTION TO ME WHICH WAY I SHOULD GO. SO IN TERMS FROM OUR DEPARTMENT PERSPECTIVE, SO IS IS WOULD, AND I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING FOR, FOR GUIDANCE THERE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD, IS THAT SOMETHING, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO SEE COUNSEL? SO THAT'S TONY'S QUESTION. SO DO THAT WORK AND DO IT THREE TIMES WITH DIFFERENT SCENARIOS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA SAY IN, IN THIS ONE QUESTION OF ECONOMIC GROWTH AND HOUSING, ARE WE DOING IT FOR GROWING A YOUNGER UM, ENTREPRENEUR OR KEEPING WHAT WE HAVE AND FIGURING OUT HOUSING FOR THAT OR DO NOTHING AND HERE'S HOW IT GOES. ANSWERING ALL THOSE QUESTIONS FOR THOSE THREE DIFFERENT THINGS. YES. BUT TO CLARIFY, 'CAUSE I WON'T GO TOO FAR DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE 'CAUSE WE COULD DO AN ENTIRE REPORT ON EACH ONE, RIGHT? AND THAT WOULD JUST EXHAUST PEOPLE INCLUDING YOU. UM, SO, BUT WHAT I WAS THINKING WAS MORE OF A BRAINSTORMING SESSION, UH, BECAUSE THEN WE'RE PUTTING LIFETIME IN IT BASED ON THE KNOWLEDGE WE HAVE TO SAY, HERE'S QUICKLY WHAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE. SO WE'RE NOT INVESTING A TON OF EFFORT BEYOND THE STATISTICS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US TO SAY, TO BRAINSTORM EACH ONE OF THESE OUT AS AS A STAFF. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST RATHER THAN DOING A FULL ON STUDY FOR EACH ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES, IT'S JUST THE TOOL FOR GUIDANCE. I JUST WANNA AVOID POTENTIAL OF THESE USER GROUPS AGAINST EACH OTHER. MM-HMM . I MEAN I, I THINK WHEN I SAID THAT I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE A POPULATION THAT LIVES HERE THAT IS AGING AND I DON'T WANT THEM TO FEEL THEY HAVE TO RELOCATE OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY. SURE. UM, BUT I DO THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I DON'T [03:25:01] RECOGNIZE THAT OUR WORKFORCE LIVES OUTSIDE AND I WANT TO CREATE HOUSING THAT BRINGS THEM IN. I DON'T WANT THESE SEEN AS COMPETING MODELS THAT IT'S AN EITHER OR. WE HAVE TO, WHICH GOES BACK TO WE NEED EVERYTHING ON THE SPECTRUM, BUT WE DO. SO I NEED THAT SOMEWHAT MORE FINE TUNE TO UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I DON'T WANT TO EXCLUDE A FOR B. RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? RIGHT. BE CLEAR ON THAT. SURE. BUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF YOUR DECISION MAKING AS A COUNCIL AND DEBATE, THEN THAT MAY BE WHERE IT STARTS IS COLUMNS AND THEN YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HOW TO BLUR THE LINES. BUT YOU KNOW, GOING TO TONY'S QUESTION IS COUNSEL, IF HE HAD THOSE BASIC SCENARIOS LAID OUT, MAYBE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT DEEP DIVE, 50 PAGE REPORT ON EVERY SINGLE ITEM, BUT ENOUGH TO WHERE YOU CAN ENGAGE IN THE DEBATE AND TALK ABOUT THE PRINCIPLED PHILOSOPHICAL FUTURE OF SEDONA. DOES THAT SERVE YOU WELL? PHILOSOPHICAL OR ASPIRATION? I PUT 'EM IN THE SAME CATEGORY. MAYOR, QUESTION FOR TONY IS CAN IT BE DONE IN HOUSE AS IN THE TIME FRAME THAT WE ALREADY HAVE BOOKED? JOANNE, DO YOU KNOW WAS FEBRUARY COUNCIL WORK SESSION PLANNED FOR FEBRUARY? YES, THINK SO FEBRUARY THAT WOULD BE MARCH THAT WE WOULD BE BRINGING SOMETHING FORWARD IN MARCH. SO THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH. UM, YEAH WE CAN DO THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH ON, LET ME SEE WHAT WE HAVE. YEAH, IT'S EASY FOR ME TO SAY YES 'CAUSE I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR. RIGHT. I SHOULD REALLY SHUT UP AND ASK JEFF. UH, ON WEDNESDAY, MARCH 11TH WORK SESSION, IT'S WIDE OPEN AND THE MARCH WORK SESSION ON THE 25TH IS WIDE OPEN. YES. WE COULD DO THE FIRST, THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH I THINK. AND WHAT'S THAT BEFORE IN HOUSE? YES. YEAH. THIS WILL ALL BE 'CAUSE WE'RE BASICALLY GONNA BUILD THIS INTO, WHAT I WOULD DO IS JUST BUILD THIS INTO WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY USING ALL THE STATS WE'RE ALREADY, CAN I ASK COUNSEL TO D AND MAKE IT THE 25TH BECAUSE I'M NOT BACK FROM OUT OF COUNTRY UNTIL THE 23RD OF MARCH. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN WHAT, WHICH DATE MAKE IT THE 25TH. I THINK YOU SAID THE NEXT ONE INSTEAD OF THE 11TH BECAUSE I'M OUT OF COUNTRY UNTIL THE 23RD MARCH. I'LL JUST PUT, JUST GIVING HIM MORE TIME TO EXPAND THE WORK. RIGHT. SAME WORK. SHE JUST GIVES YOU GUYS LONGER TIME TO READ IT. . SO I, I'D LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. SURE. WHICH IS WHAT THE QUESTION IS, DO WE, ARE WE REQUIRED TO GO TO AN R FP TO THE AGENT OF PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DEVELOPER? I CAN GIVE AN OFFHAND ANSWER. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT QUESTION. THE ANSWER. MAYBE IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE PLAN IS. 'CAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT IN THAT DIALOGUE TO BE ENGAGED WITH SOME DEVELOPERS WHO CAN HELP US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S REALISTIC. YEAH. SO, SO HEY, LET ME SEE IF, LET ME ANSWER MY WAY FIRST. IF WE ARE, AS PART OF OUR STAKEHOLDER DIALOGUE, WE'RE GOING TO BE REACHING OUT TO DEVELOPERS, BOTH PEOPLE THAT ARE IN HOUSE PLUS PEOPLE NATIONALLY THAT I'M AWARE OF TO BE HAVING SOME OF THOSE SAME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT UM, WHAT WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO. UM, THE SAME THING CORRESPONDS TO GOING BACK TO HOW DO WE GET OUT OF OUR OWN WAY, UM, YOU KNOW, ASKING PEOPLE, BUILDERS LOCALLY, DEVELOPERS LOCALLY AND AGAIN NATIONALLY. WHAT, WHAT KEEPS PEOPLE COMING HERE KINDS OF THINGS. UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, WITH OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE THAT ARE HOUSING ADVOCATES AND FRANKLY WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THE GUIDING HOUSING. SO THAT WAY WE GET THE ENTIRE SPECTRUM. [03:30:01] IT WAS AN EXCELLENT ARTICLE IN THE COUPLE OF YEARS AGO ABOUT THE COSTS, SOME OF THE POLICIES WE HAVE ON HOW THEY DRIVE UP COSTS. SURE. THAT'S VERY . YEAH. AND THAT, AND THOSE WOULD BE INCLUDED BECAUSE THOSE ARE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S ALL GONNA BE A SERIES OF PAIN POINTS, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE A QUESTION OF WHICH OF THESE SCENARIOS IS GOING TO GET US WHERE WE GO AND WHAT ARE WE WILLING TOLERATE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, TOTALLY. OKAY. MAYOR, WHAT DID YOU CALL THAT? RF WHAT PROPOSAL? OH, P PROPOSAL. ALRIGHT. YES. QUESTION FOR TONY SIR. FEBRUARY 25TH IS AVAILABLE IS A WEDNESDAY WORK SESSION. WELL, AND AS LONG AS WE'RE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THAT DATE, THERE'S THOSE SCENARIOS AND NOT THE FULL UM, THE FULL DIALOGUE FOR THE BALANCED HOUSING. YOU KNOW, THAT FIRST STAGE THEN? OH, YOU NOT BE BACK YET? NO. SO YEAH, I, I'M GONE THE 13TH OF FEBRUARY, THE 23RD OF MARCH. WHAT'S GOING WITH MARCH 8TH? YOU YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT HOUSING . OKAY. WE NEED THE 66 DAY MINDSET HERE. WE GOTTA BE GETTING STUFF DONE. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD ALREADY. CAN COUNCIL MEMBER, TO ANSWER YOUR POINT, WHAT WE COULD STILL DO IS PLAN ON DELIVERING SOMETHING TO YOU BY A DAY AND THEN THAT GIVES YOU TIME TO THINKING ABOUT IT BO WHILE YOU ARE AWAY. AND THAT WAY YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION TO JUMP IN AND START TALKING ABOUT IT. SO WE CAN STILL SET A DEADLINE TO AT LEAST GIVE YOU THINGS TO, TO CHEW ON. OKAY. SO AT LEAST THERE'S A DOWN PAYMENT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE OR IS THAT OKAY? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY. AND THANK YOU FOR SUGGESTING THAT AND THE SCENARIOS I THINK, I THINK WE WOULD WANT TO SEE SCENARIOS, WHETHER YOU CALL THEM SENSITIVITIES OR WHATEVER, WE'D WANT TO SEE VARIATIONS TO COMPARE AGAINST AS PART OF THE DEBATE THAT WE'LL END UP HAVING. SO I DON'T WANT MORE WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. SO IF ON ON THURSDAY IF TONY CAME BACK WITH A, A COMMITTED DATE OF WHAT DAY HE'LL GET THOSE INITIAL REPORTS TO YOU, THEN EVERYONE COUNSEL IS GOOD WITH GOING DOWN THAT PATH WORK STUDY LATE MARCH AND BUT THE REPORTS IN YOUR HANDS BY WHATEVER IS HE COMES UP WITH. YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL DO A PROJECTED DATE FOR THAT SAME GENERAL BALLPARK OF, OF THAT LAST WEEK TO TWO WEEKS OF FEBRUARY. OKAY, GREAT. SO THAT'S TWO PRIORITIES. MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS. STARTED WITH 18 BIG PILE OF PAPERS. WE'RE DOWN TO TWO. WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE QUESTION OF, OF THE ECONOMIC OR ECONOMY SLASH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE MOBILITY AND TRANSIT STILL ON THE TABLE TO BE UNDECIDED. I COMMITTED THAT I WOULD WRAP UP WITH YOU ALL BY FOUR. SO, UM, WITH 30 MINUTES WE CAN TRY TO DIVE INTO SOME CLARITY ON WHAT THOSE TWO TOPICS MEAN. OR, OR YOU GUYS CAN START RESTING A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THE NEXT ACTION ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA. WHAT, AND I'M ASKING COUNSEL DIRECTLY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY TO FLESH THIS OUT WITHOUT, WITHOUT CHARLOTTE OR DO YOU WANNA COME BACK TO THIS AND FLESH THESE TWO ITEMS OUT? WE CAN GET A LOT DONE IN 30 MINUTES. WE JUST DID THAT LAST BIT IN 30 MINUTES. WANNA GO FOR IT? YES. OKAY. I'M GONNA HEAD NOD. SO, DESCRIBE MOBILITY AND TRANSIT. WHAT, WHAT'S THE SCOPE OF THAT? SO IF WE WERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT AS OBJECTIVES, WHAT WOULD BE SUCCESS? LESS THANK LOT OF CARS. SAY IT LOUDER PLEASE. GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF CARS. REDUCING THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT ARE ON THE ROAD. OKAY. REDUCING CAR USAGE. OKAY. NEED ANOTHER BOARD? YEAH, I'M JUST GONNA TURN IT AROUND. I LOVE THIS WHITEBOARD. CHRISTIE. THANK YOU. . OH, . THE ERASER IS MAGNETIC, SO, [03:35:01] OKAY. OKAY, WHAT ELSE? UH, DON'T WE WANT TO TRANS NOT JUST TRANSIT. WE HAD OTHER WORDS THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF. WE SAID CONNECTIVITY ABILITY. LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT TO SLIDE SIGHT. THAT IS FINE. THANK YOU. CIRCULATING WORD. IT'S OKAY. WHEN IT WAS A C WORD CIRCULATION THERE GO. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. REDUCE CARS ON THE ROAD. FINE. SO THIS IS SUCCESSES IN THAT CATEGORY. YEP. SUCCESS. OKAY. HAVING A DECISION ON A MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FACILITY, WHETHER WE BUILD IT OR CONTINUE TO OUTSOURCE IT. PRESSURE TRANSPORTATION, FACILITY MAINTENANCE, FACILITY BUILD VERSUS OUTSOURCE. OKAY. DECISION. OKAY. REVISED TRANSIT PLAN TO WHAT END? UH, AT LEAST WHAT A FIVE YEAR OUT PLAN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 'CAUSE THE ONE WE'RE WORKING OFF OF IS DATED AND IT'S NOT ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING CURRENTLY. OKAY. SO I'M JUST GONNA PUT CURRENT OUT OF DATE. OKAY. SHIP. THE SIM PLAN ITSELF NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED FOR, ARE WE GETTING WHAT WE EXPECTED AND DO WE NEED TO COURSE CORRECT AT THIS POINT? OR ARE THERE NEW OPPORTUNITIES? SO UNDERSTANDING AND DECISIONS ON ALL THAT. OKAY. SO I'M SAYING EVALUATE, ASSESS, AND WHAT'S THE LAST THING YOU SAID? POSSIBLY REDIRECT. REDIRECT. I'M JUST GONNA PUT A QUESTION MARK. MEANING THOSE ARE ALL QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME OUT OF IT. OKAY. IT'S PROBABLY A, A SUBSET OF THAT, BUT THE OCK CROSSWALK. THE CROSSWALK IS A PART OF THE SIM PLAN. YEAH. YEAH. SIM BOARD. UM, SO I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU ASKED A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT WHAT'S DIFFERENT BETWEEN CIRCULATION TRANSIT AND MOBILITY TODAY VERSUS THOSE OLDER PLANS. AND IT'S CORRECT THAT WE NEED A REFRESH LOOK AT THAT, BUT SOME OF WHAT WE HAVEN'T FOCUSED ON, ON, ON THE PAST PLANNING IS MORE OF THE NEWER TECHNOLOGY AND INTELLIGENT TRANSPORTATION ITS, UM, SIDE OF, OF THOSE PROGRAMS. SO I DO AGREE THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO REFRESH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THOSE MASTER PLANS AND YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T PERSONALLY THINK THAT WE NECESSARILY NEED TO DO A COMPLETE FIVE YEAR REVISION OF THOSE MASTER PLAN, BUT AT LEAST SOME LEVEL OF REFRESH LOOK AT THEM FOR REFOCUS. OKAY, I'M GONNA PUT QUOTES REFRESH. OKAY. INCREASED RIDERSHIP, WHICH IS NOT EXACTLY THE SAME THING AS REDUCE CARS ON ROAD. OKAY. IT IS REDUCE THE CARS ON ROAD IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT I WANNA SPECIFICALLY INCREASE THE RIDERSHIP IN TRANSIT. OKAY. AND ANYTHING ELSE? WHAT I SAID YOU WERE WAITING FOR ME TO DEBATE WITH YOU. I WAS OKAY PETE, I USUALLY AM , I'D LIKE TO REFRESH OUR UPDATE OUR, A REALISTIC COST ESTIMATE FOR TRANSIT, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF A POTENTIAL DECREASE PARTICIPATION BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. OKAY. UPDATE COST. COST AND LIKE ANALYSIS. OKAY. ALYSSA, PART OF ONE OF THESE, BUT UNDERSTANDING FEASIBILITY OF REGIONAL PARTICIPATION AND ALL OF THIS WILL PROBABLY END UP IN THE [03:40:01] PLAN, BUT, AND I JUST, I'M JUST REALLY DIRECTING THIS AND MAYBE EVERYONE WHO HAS ONE THESE VERY LONG, VERY GOES OUT VERY FAR. SORTS OF PLANS, MASTER PLANS, WHAT DO WE THINK THE REAL REFRESH RATE SHOULD BE BASED ON? CHANGES IN TECHNOLOGY, CHANGES IN FUNDING, CHANGES IN THE WAY PEOPLE BEHAVE AND USE THE TECHNOLOGIES THAT MIGHT BE ENGAGED IN SOME OF THESE MASTER PLANS. MAYBE WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND AS COUNCIL HOW OFTEN THEY SHOULD BE REFRESHED BASED ON WHAT THEY DO. IT MIGHT BE BEYOND TRANSPORTATION. WE'RE THERE RIGHT NOW AND I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF TECH AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF AND HUMAN BEHAVIOR AT CHANGE. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WASTEWATER HAS ISSUES WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA ISSUES. OKAY. SO I WROTE THAT DOWN AS BEST PRACTICES TO KEEP UP WITH FOR MASTER PLANS MAYOR. THE LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS. SO I I, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED WITH A 10 YEAR PLAN AND IT'S TAKEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S GROWN AND GROWN AND GROWN AND WE HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME MEASURING ITS SUCCESS. SO WE CAN ADD PROJECT AFTER PROJECT AFTER PROJECT, BUT AT A CERTAIN POINT WHEN, YOU KNOW, IS THE COST MORE THAN THE, YOU KNOW, THE, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THIS, BUT WE KEEP GETTING TOLD THAT THERE'S NO SILVER BULLET AND EVERYTHING'S JUST PART EVERYTHING SATISFIED. ONE LITTLE PIECE. WHERE'S THE HOLE? YEAH, I, SO AMBER, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. DOESN'T THIS KIND OF READ LIKE A WORKSHOP LIST AT A CONFERENCE? TRANSPORTATION CONFERENCE? ? NO. LIKE FIVE YEAR BOMB RANGE, SHORT RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, TRANSIT. I THINK FROM, I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS NOW AND YOU KNOW, WE WENT FROM QUESTIONING THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE OPERATIONS MAINTENANCE FACILITY AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR INVESTMENT IN TRANSIT. AND I GUESS I'LL LIKE WHAT TONY INDICATED, LIKE IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL LIKE TO SEE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS? LIKE A DO NOTHING SCENARIO, LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS YOUR LEVEL INVESTMENT OR YOU HAD A TRANSIT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT WAS KICKED OFF IN 2018? WE REALLY DIDN'T START OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM UNTIL 22, 23. SO IT'S A RELATIVELY NEW TRANSIT SYSTEM, WHICH DOES TAKE SOME TIME. SO I THINK FOR MY BENEFIT, JUST TO GET YOU ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED, YOU PROBABLY JUST LIKE DO, DID YOU LIKE WHAT THE HAD IN WITH, WAS IT JUST A REFRESH? IS IT BASED ON CURRENT CONDITIONS? CONNECTIVITY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY OPERATING FOUR DAYS A WEEK EXCEPT ON SERVICE. SO I THINK THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COME TO MY MIND ON HOW TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE, WHICH WE CAN, BUT IT DOES LOOK LIKE A, A TRANSIT CONFERENCE. CAN, CAN COUNCIL MEMBERS GIVE SOME DIRECTION TO AMBER ON? SO A PART OF WHAT WE HAVE INITIALLY, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE OUTCOMES. MOST OF THIS IS WHAT DO WE DO? SO I, SO PERSONALLY, I ALWAYS TRY TO PUSH TO OUTCOMES. WHAT'S THE OUTCOMES YOU WANT? UM, NO ONE'S GOING TO BUILD AN OVERPASS GOING OVER THE RED ROCK SO YOU CAN GET A DIFFERENT VIEW OF THEM. SO HOW ELSE DO YOU, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH THIS? SO I GUESS I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. ONE IS, AMBER'S IS, IS THIS DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, IS THIS HELPFUL FOR YOU AS COUNSEL TO, TO TACKLE THIS PRIORITY AND CONTINUE PROBLEM SOLVING IT? AND THEN SECOND, ARE THERE ANY MORE DEFINED OUTCOMES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO GIVE AMBER AND STAFF TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON SO THEY CAN BRING MORE PRACTICAL, UH, CONSULTATION TO YOU? THIS IS TRANSIT MOBILITY AND CIRCULATION. MOBILITY PARTIALLY IN TRANSIT. OUR WHOLE STRATEGY ON SHARED USE PATHS IS ABOUT RIGHT [03:45:01] ABOUT MOBILITY. CIRCULATION IS A LOT OF SIM PROJECTS THAT DON'T INCLUDE TRA TRANSIT. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST AN AMBER QUESTION. RIGHT. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S A BUNCH OF PEOPLE'S , KURT NOW. YES, MELISSA. BUT TO, TO PLAY ON SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID EARLIER, UM, RETURNS IF FOR INSTANCE WE SAY WE WANT TO REDUCE CARS ON ROAD, THAT'S AN OUTCOME THAT WE WANT. AND BY DOING THAT WE ASSUME WE'RE ALSO GONNA INCREASE PROPRIETORSHIP UNLESS FEWER PEOPLE ARE COMING. SO WE THINK THAT THOSE ARE RELATED. YOU REACH A POINT WHERE YOU WOULD SAY, DO I NEED TO BUILD ANY MORE ROUNDABOUTS BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY ABOUT DISPERSING TRAFFIC. THAT'S NOT ABOUT REDUCING TRAFFIC. SO A LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS WOULD SAY IF AMBER CAME UP WITH A REALLY GOOD PLAN THAT, THAT WE LIKE THE SCENARIOS AND SHE SAYS SHE CAN DO IT IN TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, WHATEVER SHE COMES UP WITH, WE SHOULD BE HAVING A CONVERSATION AROUND SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY AROUND DISPERSING TRAVEL. THAT WOULD BE SORT OF AN OUTCOME OF THE LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS. I THINK SO. I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU GO, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I'M GOING. AS AN EXAMPLE. YES. AS AN EXAMPLE. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. YES. I THINK RELATED TO THAT, IF THE PLAN IS TO ADD MORE FIXED ROUTES OR WHATEVER, LIKE WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE COST PER RIDE AND IS IT ACTUALLY STARTING TO GO DOWN OR DOES IT ACTUALLY KEEP GOING UP OR STAYING AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL. AND THEN THAT BECOMES A STRATEGIC QUESTION FOR COUNCIL OF BALANCING HOW MUCH ARE WE WILLING TO PAY TO TRY TO TAKE A FEW CARS OFF THE ROAD? IS IT ONLY A FEW OR IS IT MEANINGFUL? AND SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION THAT I DON'T THINK DURING MY TIME ON COUNCIL, WE'VE ACTUALLY WRESTLED WITH THAT YET. SO, UM, I THINK SCENARIOS LIKE WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, AMBER WOULD BE HELPFUL IN THINKING ABOUT HOW FAR DO WE WANT TO GO WITH THIS AND PROJECTING WHAT THE COST TO SERVE WOULD BE. UH, BECAUSE I DOUBT THAT WE HAVE A LIMITLESS APPETITE FOR HOW COSTLY IT COULD BECOME. JUST THE, THE, THE ORIGINAL STEP AS, UH, WAS ADOPTED AND WE'VE BEEN KIND OF UTILIZING AS OUR GUIDE, UH, ONE OF THE BASIC FOUNDATIONAL PIECES IS THAT NOT ONLY FOR OUTSOURCE MAINTENANCE BUT FOR YOUR OPERATIONS. EVEN IF WE WERE NOT TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT, YOU'RE LIKELY, WE'LL LIKELY HAVE TO LOOK FOR ANOTHER, ANOTHER FACILITY BECAUSE THAT IS JUST, IT'S ALMOST PAST LIFE WITH STORAGE. SO IF YOU WANT TO PUT ANYTHING ELSE ONLINE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT BALANCE OF WHERE ARE WE, WHERE ARE WE AT ON CAPACITY WITH VEHICLE STORAGE. YOU CAN'T, ZERO EMISSIONS TO THINK OF, TO CONVERT THE FLEET. SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE ALL PART OF THAT, THAT PLANNING ASPECT. SOME GOOD INFO FOR US TO RECEIVE. YEAH, SO I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT OF THE THE SIM TMP, SORRY. YEAH, YOU CAN'T HEAR ME. SO THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT BEHIND THE, THE SIM PROGRAM HAD TO DO WITH CERTAIN PARTS OF OUR TRANSPORTATION NETWORK ARE BOTTLENECKS. SO THOSE CAPACITY INCREASING PROJECTS, THERE WERE ONLY A FEW, THERE WERE A HANDFUL OF THEM, THERE WEREN'T A LOT, BUT THE CONCEPT WAS ALWAYS TO REMOVE THOSE BOTTLENECKS AND THEN MANAGE THE TRAFFIC FROM THERE WITH TRANSIT, MULTIMODAL INTELLIGENT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS, THINGS LIKE THAT. WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE THOSE CAPACITY INCREASING OR BOTTLENECK REMOVING PROJECTS ARE COMING TO AN END IN THE NEAR FUTURE. SO IT IS A GOOD TIME TO START LOOKING AT THE MANAGEMENT SIDE OF THAT EQUATION. OKAY. BUT I WILL ALSO SAY THAT SOME OF THE MOST IMPACTFUL PROJECTS ARE STILL COMING. OKAY. SO PETE, TRY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU HAD ASKED A BIT. YEAH. THIS DOES LIKE A TRANSPORTATION CONFERENCE AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF EFFORT. I THINK WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN MORE REGULARLY THAN I SEE IT HAPPENING NOW IS JUST A, A REALISTIC REFRESH ON THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE. OKAY. REVISITING IT IN ENTIRETY. WE TEND TO, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT WE TEND TO SET A PLAN, WE LAUNCH A BUNCH OF PROJECTS AND WE JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THOSE PROJECTS. BUT WE'RE NOT, AND YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE TAKEN ON HAVE COST IMMENSELY MORE THAN WE THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA, [03:50:01] AND SO THERE'S A, A REFRESH CONVERSATION HAPPENING MORE REGULARLY THAT KEEPS THE WHOLE THING IN PLAY. AND MAYBE IT'S LIKE, I GET IT, THIS DIRECTION ISN'T VERY GOOD. MAYBE WE NEED TO JUST REVISIT AND LIMIT SOMETHING OR TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR SOMETHING. BUT YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, IT'S LIKE COUNCIL DECIDED WE'RE HEADED THIS DIRECTION BEFORE, HERE'S THE CURRENT COST OF IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT OR LUMP IT WHEN HERE'S A BIGGER CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN 'CAUSE OF THE DYNAMICS OF REALITY. SO, UM, SORRY, CAN'T READ MY OWN HANDWRITING. SO UNDER THE BEST PRACTICES TO KEEP UP WITH MASTER PLANS, THE PART THE LAYER I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THE ADDED CONSISTENT COMMUNICATION, BUT MAYBE THE BEST PRACTICES ARE MORE FREQUENCY. YEAH. SO I MEAN I WAS TRYING TO GET THAT IT'S NOT A SCIENCE PROJECT BIG CONFERENCE, IT'S A LET'S REFRESH, LET'S HAVE A GOOD REAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PLAN, THE ENTIRETY OF THE PLAN, WHAT'S IN HERE? ARE WE STILL GO FOR IT OR ARE WE STARTING TO THINK OTHER THINGS HAPPEN? OKAY, SO I'M PUTTING ON FREQUENCY AND REFRESH AGAIN. ISN'T THAT THE KIND OF PART OF THE MONSTER THAT YOU GUYS ARE DEALING WITH? AND IS THAT MOST, UH, ESPECIALLY ANYTHING THAT TOUCHES ASPHALT OR REQUIRES THIRD PARTY CONTRACTS IS GONNA BE LONG RANGE PLANNING AND AND IT GETS MORE AND MORE COMPLICATED AS YOU KNOW, I THINK THE REFRESH IS JUST BE COMPLICATED. 'CAUSE YOU COULD ALSO WASTE TONS OF MONEY BY NOT COMPLETING THINGS BY COM, RIGHT? AM I, IS THAT HONEST IS THAT, IS IS IN THE EFFORT TO SAY, OH, WE HAVE TO UPDATE THIS, THAT YOU'RE, YOU HAVE NEVER ENDING PROJECTS TOO. SO I I DO NOT APPRECIATE, I DO NOT WANNA LIVE YOUR, YOUR WORLDS, ESPECIALLY YOURS KURT. KURT, I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY, UH, OG IS GOING THROUGH A VERDE VALLEY TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LOOKING EVERYTHING IN THE VERDE VALLEY AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING OUT NOW, 20, 30 ON ALL THAT IS, ALL THE COMMUNITIES ARE FACING WHAT WE'RE FACING IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT TRAFFIC, CONGESTION, GROWTH AND SO ON. SO IT'S A GOOD TIMING THAT THAT REPORT, I THINK IT'S COMING OUT THIS SPRING. UM, WE'RE STILL COLLECTING THE INFORMATION ON IT AND SO ON. BUT THAT'S A GOOD TIE ON TO KIND OF LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE AT SIM TO GET EVERYBODY ON BOARD ON WHAT TRAFFIC'S GONNA BE IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING AND IF WE START IMPLEMENTING BIGGER CONNECTIVITY. YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER. I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND PEOPLE POSSIBILITY TO DRIVE AND CONNECT WELL YEAH, THAT REGIONAL PARTNERSHIP SYSTEMS AND LOOKING FOR AREAS FOR COORDINATION AND TO GET THOSE, THOSE INNER CITY, THOSE INNER CITY CONNECTIONS AND JUST TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ADDRESSING MOBILITY GAPS ABOUT THE PEOPLE ARE BEING BACK INTO THE, UM, PUBLIC SAYING, I CAN'T AFFORD A $60 BILL TO GO FROM WHEREVER THEY'RE TO THE DOCTOR'S OR THEY'RE HAVING TO MOVE HEARING. WE PROVIDED THE INITIAL INFORMATION ON CONNECT I THINK IN JUNE AND IN SEPTEMBER ABOUT THE, TO THE PERCENTAGE OF RIDERSHIP THAT PUBLIC OUTREACH VERY VALUABLE ONLINE, MOST COMMON ARE BECAUSE THAT'S TO GO TO THE STATE TO GET REGIONAL FUNDING TO DO MORE CONNECTIVITY PROJECTS TO HELP. YEAH. MELISSA? SO TWO THINGS. ONE IS GENERAL [03:55:03] AMBER AND THE CHIEF, BECAUSE I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COULD BE BRILLIANT ABOUT, ESPECIALLY FOR MANY REASONS, ONE OF THOSE REASONS IS, UM, THEY WENT OUT TO THE BAR AND THEY, UM, HAD QUITE A BIT TO DRINK AND NOW THEY'RE BACK ON OUR ROADS, UM, DRIVING. SO FOR SAFETY REASONS, I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THEY COULD GET PEOPLE FEELING REALLY COMFORTABLE THAT WERE COMING TO VISIT AND PEOPLE LIVE HERE WANNA GO OUT AND NIGHT ON THE TOWN. NOT TO TAKE THEIR CAR, NOT TO BE ON THE ROAD WHILE THEY RIDING ON, BUT INSTEAD TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKING THE TRANSIT THAT THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY SHOULD ALSO GO UP. SHOULD, SHOULD LOOKING HOPEFULLY. AND I DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT, BUT IT SHOULD, IT JUST FEELS LIKE THAT. AND IT'S ALSO SOMETHING YOU COULD PRIDE OURSELVES ON AS A COMMUNITY. IF YOU WANNA TALK FOR TOURISM. LIKE WE'RE A SAFE COMMUNITY, YOU WANT TO GO OUT AND DRINK TONIGHT, RIGHT? UM, SO ANYWAY, I I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT WAS PART OF WHAT WE WERE DOING AND WHERE I HOPE WE WERE GOING, GOING AS FAR AS IN OUR COMMUNITY JUST DELIVER STAFF. DO YOU GUYS FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING TO PORT COUNCIL AND SAYING, I THINK THIS PROJECT'S A REALLY BAD IDEA AND WE REALLY DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS. OR YOU KNOW WHAT, WE HAVEN'T SUNK ANYTHING BUT DESIGN INTO THIS. AND AS WE'VE BEEN DESIGNING IT, WE'VE IDEA THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING BETTER AND WE WOULD LIKE TO NOT DO THIS IN A COUNCIL MEETING. YEAH. TELL THE COUNCIL WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON IN YOUR MIND, , LETTING US KNOW THAT A PROJECT WOULD NOT BE THE RIGHT ONE FOR US TO BE DOING. MELISSA, I HEAR A LOT OF PASSIONATE, I THINK YOU'D BE AWESOME FOR THE, UM, COUNCIL CHAMPION FOR THE TRANSIT, MOBILITY AND CIRCULATION. WAIT A SECOND, WHATEVER. HOUSING. YOU'RE AWESOME. YOU ALREADY HAVE GOOD TALKING POINTS. I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THE SAME THING. WE DESPERATELY NEED A STAND UP. Y'ALL. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU IF YOU'RE SITTING. I SAID I NOMINATE MELISSA TO BE THE TRANSIT MOBILITY CIRCULATION COUNCIL CHAMPION 'CAUSE SHE'S PASSIONATE AND HAS GOOD IDEAS. I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT EVERYTHING. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? ABOUT, WELL, ESPECIALLY THIS, I THINK, I THINK SOME OF THE FOUNDATIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE PROGRAMS HIGHLIGHT THE DESPERATE NEED THAT WE NEED FOR, THAT WE HAVE FOR NEEDING A COUNCIL CHAMPION FOR BOTH TRANSIT CIRCULATION AND, AND, UH, THE STEM, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE, THIS WHOLE STRATEGY OR OR CORE PRIORITY, WE DESPERATELY NEED IT. SO THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS AN ANSWER TO MY SECOND QUESTION. YOU WANT AMBER TO COME TO ME AND SAY, PLEASE TELL COUNCIL THAT THESE ARE BAD IDEA . . IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE NEED SOMEONE ON COUNCILS THAT ALREADY KNOWS ALL OF THIS STUFF. IT'S REALLY WORKING AGAINST US TO NOT HAVE THAT. I I WOULD LIKE, ANNETTE, CAN YOU, HOW DO YOU WANT YOUR STAFF TO FUNCTION IN REGARDS TO A SCENARIO LIKE THAT? AND I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE HER EXPRESSIONS SO FAR. DON'T TAKE THIS OFF. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DECORATE, SO I THOUGHT SHE WAS PATIENT X BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S REALLY HARD. UM, SO WHEN WE GET THE AGENDA, THOSE, UM, I MEAN ULTIMATELY WE'RE PUTTING A RECOMMENDATION IN THERE, RIGHT? AND SO WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE COUNCIL IS DON'T JUST GIVE US THE APPROVE THIS RECOMMENDATION IN THE ALTERNATIVE SECTION GIVE AND POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. BUT WE SHOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WAY BEFORE IT'S ON A COUNCIL AGENDA ITEM AND, AND PACKET. SO IT'S NOT SURPRISE TO, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER PROBLEM. UM, DO YOU WANT HEAR THAT AT THE LAST MINUTE? YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE SAYING DON'T, SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT ON OUR COUNCIL STAFF, UM, COORDINATION I GUESS ON ALL OF THIS. UM, WHICH IS WHY I WAS SO EXCITED THAT CAME UP WITH THE CONCEPT. WE NEED CHAMPIONS. WE NEED MAYBE, UM, WORK GROUPS OR TASK FORCES THAT HAVE STAFF WORK TOGETHER, STRATEGY OR PRIORITY, UM, WHERE WE COULD FLUSH THAT KIND OF STUFF OUT. UM, IT JUST SHOWS UP, IS RESISTING THE PROJECT OR DOESN'T DO THE [04:00:01] PROJECT OR THAT'S SOME OF THE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK I'VE HEARD IS THAT SOMETIMES THE COUNCIL THINK THE STAFF IS RESISTING DOING THE, SO, YOU KNOW, I COMMEND HELP. OKAY. HELPS ME, STEVE. I I JUST KNOW TWO THINGS I WANNA, UM, SAY, I THINK FOR STAFF AND SAY THAT WE LOVE THIS DISCUSSION OF STAFF HAVING, UH, POSSIBLY GREATER, UH, LINES OF COMMUNICATION WITH COUNCIL BEYOND JUST SHOWING UP AT A COUNCIL MEETING AND HAVING THAT DISCUSSION. SO ONE, I I, I FULLY APPRECIATE THAT, THAT DISCUSSION. TWO, UM, AND I THINK THE MAYOR BROUGHT THIS STUFF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, TRANSIT, MOBILITY, ALL THIS. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, THINK ABOUT WHO MIGHT NEED TO USE THIS NOW, WHO'S USING THIS NOW IF IT GOES AWAY, YOU KNOW, WILL SUFFER FROM THAT. I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO THINK IN THE FUTURE SOME OF THESE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SUCH AS OUR, EXCUSE ME, OUR HOUSING, YOU KNOW, AND HOW WE'LL TRANSIT BENEFIT THOSE PROGRAMS AS WELL. SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE THOUGHTS AND THOSE NUMBERS IN MIND, UM, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS. OKAY, GOOD. SO YES, WANNA REINFORCE, I THINK STEVE'S FIRST POINT, WHICH IS FOR ME, ONE OF THE REALLY VALUABLE THINGS OUT OF TODAY, AND THERE ARE MANY, BUT ONE THAT STICKS OUT IN MY MIND IS THAT THIS, THE INPUT OF ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ON ALL OF THE ISSUES AS OPPOSED TO WHEN WE'RE SITTING UP THERE AND WE'RE REVIEWING ITEM AB, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, WHATEVER, THE DEPARTMENT IS GIVING US INFORMATION THAT SOMETIMES IN A SILO APART FROM THE INPUT FROM THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, WHICH ONLY TANGENTIALLY MAY TOUCH ON IT, BUT THEN INFORMATION IS SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE. SO I, I THINK THAT, AND THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT ANNETTE WAS SAYING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A WAY OF GETTING A STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND HAVING THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE FLESHED OUT IS WHEN IT COMES FROM THE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. SO I I I DON'T KNOW HOW TO KEEP THIS REALLY FLUID COMMUNICATION GOING, BUT I FOUND IT QUITE VALUABLE. WONDERFUL. AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF, OF SOME OF THIS. I TOLD STAFF THAT ONE OF THE RESIDUAL IMPACTS OF THIS TYPE OF PROCESS IS ONE, IT BREAKS DOWN THE BARRIERS AND IT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT WITH HUMANS AND, AND TO, AND TO BRING YOUR BEST KNOWLEDGE AND BACKGROUNDS TO THE TABLE TO REALLY WORK ON SOMETHING TOGETHER WITHOUT ALL THE FORMALITIES AND EX AT THE SAME TIME RESPECTING EACH OTHER'S ROLES. SO, SO I'M GLAD, THANK YOU FOR THAT, FOR THAT FEEDBACK TO EVERYONE THAT, UM, AS WE'RE, AND I DO NEED TO, TO RESPECT YOUR TIME, I NEED TO WRAP UP. BUT, UM, THE, THE PROCESS. SO WE STARTED THE DAY WITH 18 PRIORITIES, NICE BIG PILE WITH ALL KINDS OF DESCRIPTIONS. YOU QUICKLY AND PRETTY MUCH IN A HUNDRED PERCENT UNITY HAVE SAID THE NUMBER, THE NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO PRIORITIES ARE COMMUNITY. AND YOU HAVE NOW, UH, A LIST OF ACTIONABLE, MEASURABLE, UH, UH, GOALS TO GO AND LOOK AT AND TO START COMING UP WITH A STRATEGY TO, TO DEVELOP. AND, UH, AND THE SECOND ONE IS HOUSING. SO YOU HAVE, UH, A WORK DATE AND, AND THE STAFF HAS, UH, THEY'LL COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL OF A SPECIFIC TIME THAT THEY WILL GIVE YOU AN INITIAL REPORT TO ANSWER ALL THE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THAT YOU CAME UP WITH. UM, WE HAVE A BEGINNING ON UNDERSTANDING, UH, THE SCOPE OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE TRANSIT, MOBILITY, CIRCULATION, UH, PRIORITY. AND, AND I SUGGEST, UM, UH, STAFF THAT YOU TAKE THESE KEY QUESTIONS AND SOME OF 'EM ARE OUTCOMES AND WORK ON THAT TOMORROW TO COME BACK ON THURSDAY WITH SUGGESTION ON HOW TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT ECONOMICS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMY VIEW AS A WHOLE. WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T GET TO TO FLESH THAT OUT, BUT I'M WILLING TO BET THAT IT'S GONNA BE A CORE PART OF THE CONVERSATION WHEN YOU GET TO WHO DO WE WANT TO BE, RIGHT? SO, UM, AND AND HALF OF YOU FELT LIKE IT WAS, IT WAS SO INTERSPERSED WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT, THAT [04:05:01] YOU HAD ADDRESS IT AS YOU GO. UM, SO I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO NOT LOSE SIGHT OF THAT AS BEING ONE OF THE, THE LISTED PRIORITIES, BUT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO INTEGRATE THE QUESTION AND THE ECONOMIC DYNAMICS INTO EVERY SINGLE THING THAT YOU TALK THROUGH AND, AND HOPEFULLY AFTER YOUR WORK STUDY ON, ON HOUSING THAT YOU'LL HAVE A REAL CLEAR DIRECTION TO GIVE TO STAFF ON, ON HOW, WHAT TO DO NEXT SO THAT IN A YEAR THAT WHEN YOU COME HERE AND YOU LOOK AT A SCENARIO, THIS OLD SCENARIO, BY THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SAY, LOOK, WE ACTUALLY DID IT, AND YOU HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT. YOU ARE A, A FULL OR A ROOM THAT IS FULL OF, UH, INCREDIBLE PROFESSIONALS, UH, PEOPLE WITH, UH, TONS OF BACKGROUND AND KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE IN ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT WORLDS. AND YOU'RE, EVERY SINGLE PERSON I'VE MET, UH, IS PASSIONATE ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THE WELLBEING OF, OF SEDONA AND ITS CITIZENS AND ALTOGETHER FUNCTIONING AS PARTNERS, UH, AND CONTINUING TO COLLABORATE. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT YOU'LL TAKE WHAT YOU STARTED HERE TODAY AND ACTUALLY MAKE IT A REALITY. SO GOOD WORK EVERYONE. AND UM, I AM GOING TO CLOSE MY PART AND THEN, UH, YOU GUYS CAN DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO NEXT. IS THERE ANOTHER OFFICIAL AGENDA ITEM THAT WE NEED TO HANDOFF? I KNOW THIS IS WHERE IT GETS OFFICIAL LEAVE, PAUL, OR IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE PEOPLE WANNA SAY? BUT WE'LL, UM, WELL, NO, I, BEFORE SHE GETS, I JUST WANNA CLOSE OUT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT, ANYBODY ELSE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY WISHES TO DISCUSS? I'M JUST, OR SAY, HEY, TALK TO US ABOUT WATER. YEAH, SO, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SAY A BIG THANK YOU TO JONATHAN TODAY. I FELT LIKE IT INCREDIBLY VALUABLE. HE'S NOT GONNA BE WITH US TOMORROW OR THURSDAY, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THIS OURSELVES MOVING FORWARD. UM, UM, BUT I THINK HE'S GOT US STARTED WITH A REALLY GOOD FOUNDATION AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'RE GONNA CIRCLE BACK TO THE TOPICS ON THURSDAY. UM, AND SO WE COULD PICK UP THE DISCUSSION OKAY. AND HOW WE WANT SOME MORE BRANDING AROUND THAT. UM, BUT OVERALL, I FEEL WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AND ALL THE GREAT IDEAS PEOPLE ABOUT TODAY AND HOW THAT CAN ALL COME TOGETHER ANYWAY. BUT I'LL LET, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER ACTION, THE MAYOR? [5. ADJOURNMENT] NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY WE'RE IN RECESS UNTIL 8:00 AM TOMORROW MORNING. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.