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          OKAY, 
          [1. CALL TO ORDER]
I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 8 0 1 ON THURSDAY, DECEMBER 18TH, 2025. 
          MADAM CLERK, COULD YOU DO THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MAYOR PLU HERE. 
          VICE MAYOR FOLTZ. 
          STILL HERE. 
          COUNCILOR DUNN. 
          PRESENT. 
          COUNCILOR FURMAN. 
          STILL PRESENT? COUNCILOR HOI. 
          EXCUSED. 
          COUNCILOR SVA. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCILOR FAF. 
          RESIDENT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANNETTE, 
          [3. SPECIAL BUSINESS]
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UM, AND OUR AWESOME LEADERSHIP TEAM HERE AT THE TABLE. 
          UM, SO FOR THE LAST TWO DAYS, COUNCIL HAS, UM, WORKED REALLY HARD TO IDENTIFY POLICY PRIORITIES ON DAY ONE YESTERDAY WE WENT THROUGH BUDGET ASSUMPTIONS. 
          UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE GOT A HEAD START ON PART OF TODAY'S AGENDA. 
          UM, THAT'S THE LIST OF COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEMS, UM, WHICH WE'LL REVISIT LATER TODAY SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE FORMAL ACTION YOU WANNA TAKE ON THOSE ITEMS. UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY CARRYOVER FROM DAY TWO THAT'S ON, UM, THE AGENDAS OF POTENTIAL. 
          SO THE VERY FIRST THING WE'LL GET TO THIS MORNING IS A REPORT BACK FROM THE LEADERSHIP TEAM WHO, AS YOU KNOW, YESTERDAY, UH, FOR PART OF THE DAY, THEY WERE SEQUESTERED IN THE VOLTI CONFERENCE ROOM AND THEY WORKED ON, UM, SOME FRAMEWORKS, UH, OR MODELS AS JONATHAN WOULD HAVE US CALL THEM FOR, UM, UH, WORKING ON, UH, THE TWO MAIN PRIORITIES YOU IDENTIFIED, UM, ON MONDAY. 
          UM, I DID GO IN AND TALK TO THEM LAST NIGHT ABOUT SOME OF THE ECONOMY PIECE, UM, AND BECAUSE WE HAD A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME TO INCORPORATE THAT, WE CAN TOUCH ON THAT, UM, AT THE END. 
          BUT I THINK I'M GOING, I FORGET WHO'S GONNA START US OFF. 
          ANDY. 
          UM, THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU ON HOW WE WILL APPLY THIS NEW FRAMEWORK AND, UH, WORK ON PRIORITY PROJECTS, UM, IN THE NEXT YEAR. 
          PLUS. 
          THANK YOU, ANDY. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          I'M GLAD TO REPORT THAT. 
          I THINK ALL OF US MADE IT OUT ALIVE YESTERDAY. 
          ONCE WE WERE DONE. 
          IT WAS, UH, GOT A LITTLE FUN FOR A WHILE THERE. 
          I DO WANT TO GIVE A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO ROXANNE. 
          UM, WHILE ALL OF US WERE KIND OF FIGHTING IT OUT, GETTING THESE THINGS WORKED OUT, SHE PUT THIS PRESENTATION TOGETHER FOR US, SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M GONNA START OUT WITH A HIGH LEVEL LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AS A, UM, CAN YOU, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH. 
          OH, MIGHT NEED TO MOVE THAT CLOSER. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, AS A REMINDER, WE WERE TASKED WITH, WITH, UH, LOOKING AT THE PRIORITIES THAT WE ALL CAME UP WITH AND DEVELOPING A MODEL OR FRAMEWORK FOR HOW WE IMPLEMENT THOSE, UH, PRIORITIES. 
          WE LOOKED AT THE TOP CORE PRIORITIES BEING COMMUNITY HOUSING, MOBILITY, TRANSIT AND CIRCULATION, AND ECONOMY OR ECONOMY DIVERSIFICATION. 
          OH, WHOOPS. 
          WHO'S RUNNING? I'M NOT RUNNING THE, IS IT OVER THERE? YOU NEED TO RUN IT. 
          EITHER THAT OR I CAN MOVE. 
          SHOULD I? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          STEP UP. 
          THANKS FOR CATCHING THAT. 
          . 
          OH, NO, NO CHECK SKILLS. 
          SKILLS. 
          I WAS DOING GREAT LOOKING AT MY OWN COMPUTER HERE AND NOT REALIZING NOBODY COULD SEE WHAT I WAS DOING, SO THANK YOU. 
          SO AGAIN, THE PRIORITIES THAT WE LOOKED AT, COMMUNITY HOUSING, MOBILITY, CIRCULATION AND ECONOMY. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND WE WILL GO THROUGH FIRST KIND OF THE OUTLINE OF WHAT THE MODEL LOOKS LIKE. 
          GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE THERE. 
          SO WE BROKE, BROKE THIS INTO SIX STEPS. 
          FIRST, WE DO THE, THE, UH, THE RESEARCH, UM, GATHERING ALL THE INFORMATION WE CAN ABOUT THE BACKGROUND FOR THE PRIORITY AND ULTIMATELY BUILDING TO WHAT'S STEP THREE THERE OR THE WHY. 
          AS PART OF THE FRONT END OF THE MODEL, WE WOULD LOOK TO BUILD CONNECTIONS AND ENGAGEMENT ON, YOU KNOW, 
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THE VERY BEGINNING, UH, STAGE OF THE MODEL, WHICH WOULD BE CREATING THESE COMMUNITY COUNCIL AND STAFF CHAMPIONS. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST KIND OF THE OUTLINE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO WE'LL GO INTO DETAIL ON THESE, UM, LATER ON IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          SO, AS I SAID, AS WE'RE BUILDING THE INFORMATION AND THE ENGAGEMENT PLANS, WE ULTIMATELY GET TO THE WHY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE DEFINED THAT VERY WELL AND CREATED OUR STORY AND PLAN FOR ENGAGEMENT, UH, FOR THE PRIORITY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT BRINGS US TO THE ENGAGEMENT PIECE OF THIS. 
          WE WOULD, UH, BUILD THE SUPPORT AROUND THESE, UH, CHAMPIONS, THE STAFF COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY CHAMPIONS. 
          THEN ULTIMATELY WE WOULD BE WORKING TOWARDS WHAT THE ACTUAL OUTREACH APPROACH WAS. 
          UM, AND WE WOULD HAVE A, A SEPARATE PLAN THAT DEFINES WHAT THAT WOULD BE FOR EACH PRIORITY. 
          THIS WOULD INCLUDE, INCLUDE HOW WE CONNECT WITH, WITH FOLKS IN THE PROJECT OR PROGRAM AREA, UM, WITH THE, A A WHOLE VARIETY OF METHODS BEING DOOR HANGERS, SOCIAL MEDIA, RADIO MESSAGE BOARDS, UH, EVEN AND POSSIBLY UTILIZING, UH, OUR, OUR TV OPTIONS WITH Y YAVAPI BROADCASTING AND, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THEN FOR EACH PRIORITY, WE THINK PART OF THE PLAN WOULD BE SELECTING THE RIGHT VENUE, UM, WHO THE RIGHT LEAD, UH, PEOPLE MIGHT BE, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THOSE CHAMPIONS AND WHO THOSE CHAMPIONS REACH OUT TO. 
          AND PART OF THIS ENGAGEMENT WOULD INCLUDE A PERIODIC CHECK-IN WITH COUNCIL. 
          SO REPORTING BACK ON AS WE DEVELOP THESE DIFFERENT STEPS, WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE MOVING FORWARD. 
          THIS WOULD HAVE A, A, I GUESS A BIG COMPONENT OF THIS WOULD BE THE COMMUNICATIONS PLAN. 
          WE, OF COURSE HAVE OUR COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER STARTING ON MONDAY, SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO FULLY FLESH THIS OUT JUST YET UNTIL THAT PERSON'S ON BOARD AND ABLE TO HELP US WITH THAT. 
          UH, LET'S SEE, COUNCIL OUTREACH AGAIN. 
          UM, PART OF THAT IS THE CHECK-IN AND, UM, ENSURING THAT COUNCIL'S ON BOARD WITH THE, THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND ULTIMATELY THE, THE GOAL FOR THIS STEP IN THE PROCESS IS DEVELOPING THAT COMMUNICATION PLAN. 
          AND THEN WHAT, WHAT WE'RE, AS PART OF THIS MODEL, WHAT WE'RE REALLY BASING EVERYTHING ON IS WHAT ARE OUR GOALS FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS. 
          SO DEVELOPING OUR PERFORMANCE MEASURES, OUR PARTNERSHIPS, OUR ENGAGEMENT GOAL. 
          SO THERE'S A WHOLE SEPARATE, WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THE WHOLE PROCESS, WHAT IS OUR GOAL FOR THAT ENGAGEMENT? AND PART OF THAT IS ABOUT A CONTINUATION OF ENGAGEMENT AND INVOLVEMENT WITH THOSE SAME PARTNERS THAT WE DEVELOP THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          AND THEN ULTIMATELY MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE CELEBRATING IN THE END WHAT THOSE ACCOMPLISHMENTS WERE AS ESTABLISHED BY OUR GOALS. 
          THAT WAS KIND OF RAW MY FIRST TIME GOING THROUGH THAT. 
          SO, , I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO TONY. 
          HE'S GONNA GO INTO HOW, UM, ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY, WE'RE NOT TO HOUSING YET. 
          OKAY. 
          SWEET. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY WE'RE ON COMMUNITY STILL. 
          SO BEFORE WE GET INTO HOUSING THOUGH, WE WENT THROUGH THE COMMUNITY PRIORITY AND DEVELOPED, UM, THE TOP PROJECTS. 
          WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT A, A GOOD NUMBER OF THEM, UM, INITIALLY AND KIND OF NARROWED THAT DOWN TO THE TOP SIX. 
          THAT WAS SOME OF THE, THE GRAPPLING THAT WE DID IN THE, THE CAGE FIGHT THERE. 
          SO THOSE TOP SIX PROJECTS ENDED UP BEING FIREWISE, HOME RULE, RANGER STATION, RESTROOM, W SEDONA, THE WASTEWATER RATE STUDY, AND HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE. 
          AND I KNOW WE ALREADY HAVE A PROGRAM FOR THAT, BUT THIS WOULD BE AN UPDATE TO THAT PROGRAM IN A DIFFERENT APPROACH, AND WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IF, IF NEEDED. 
          SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE CONSIDERED IN DEVELOPING THE TOP SIX WERE THE RESTROOM AT POSSE GROUNDS, TREE REMOVAL, 
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UM, THIS IS RELATED TO FIREWISE, BUT A SEPARATE PROJECT. 
          SO IT'S DIFFERENT BROADBAND AND THEN ELECTRIC VEHICLE, UM, THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE PROGRAM AND, UM, THE TRANSITION TO, UH, AN ELECTRIC FLEET. 
          NOW WE'LL GET INTO HOUSING. 
          I GUESS IF, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS THOUGH, WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE THEM AS WE GO. 
          YEAH, I I WAS GONNA ASK, HOW DO YOU SEE THIS UNFOLDING? SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          ARE WE, SHOULD WE STOP HERE AND DI AND DIVE INTO COMMUNITY? OR SHOULD WE HEAR THE WHOLE THING AND GO BACK? WHAT, WHAT WORKS BEST? UM, WELL PART OF WHAT WE'LL GET INTO LATER IS THE ACTUAL DETAIL OF THE MODEL, AND I'M GUESSING THAT A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS WOULD HAVE TO DO WITH THAT. 
          BUT IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECTS THAT WE LOOKED AT, THEN RIGHT NOW IT'S PROBABLY THE TIME FOR THAT DISCUSSION. 
          PETE? YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANDY, IF I COULD GET YOU TO GO BACK TO THAT. 
          SO WHEN I LOOK AT THESE, THEY'RE ALL VERY INTERESTING, BUT ONE KIND OF STICKS OUT TO ME IS THE WASTEWATER RATE STUDY , WHICH I THINK IS SUPER IMPORTANT. 
          WE GOTTA DO IT RIGHT? I LOOK AT ALL THESE IS HELPING TO BUILD THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY, THE WASTEWATER RATE STUDIES, LIKE THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA BUILD COMMUNITY THERE IS TO HAVE NO INCREASE IN THE RATE STUDY. 
          SO I'M JUST CURIOUS TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION WHY THAT MADE IT ON THE LIST. 
          WELL, THE PROJECTS THAT WE WANTED TO CONSIDER HAD TO DO WITH PROJECTS THAT AFFECTED COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA BE COMPLICATED AND VERY LIKELY BE CONTROVERSIAL ANYTIME THERE'S A WEIGHT, UH, RATE INCREASE, IT'S GONNA BE CONTROVERSIAL. 
          YEP. 
          UM, AND THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD HAVE A BENEFIT TO HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF, UH, ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THOSE, THOSE WERE KIND OF THE CONSIDERATIONS, I GUESS. 
          I AGREE WITH ALL THOSE FACTORS. 
          , THANK YOU LOUIS. 
          UM, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          SO, SORRY, I'M SO LOW DOWN. 
          IT'S TOO BAD. 
          THE PHONE BOOK FOR SEDONAS, LIKE THIS THING . 
          UM, ANYWAY, SO YOU'VE GOT ALTERNATIVE TASKS, SOME OF WHICH I THINK ARE VERY BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THEM AS WELL. 
          IF WE GET ALL OF THESE DONE, THEN THESE WOULD BE TASKS WE WOULD DO OR THEY'RE SUBSTITUTE. 
          'CAUSE ALTERNATIVE TO ME MEANS YOU COULD DO ONE FROM A AND ONE FROM B, BUT YOU CAN'T DO A AND B, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT AN ALTERNATIVE IS TO ME. 
          YEAH, THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT WE MEANT, UM, BY THE, I GUESS THE TITLE OF THAT, THAT GROUP, WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT THESE SIX PROJECTS WEREN'T THE ONLY PROJECTS THAT WE LOOKED, WE CONSIDERED. 
          THESE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT, THAT WERE CONSIDERED. 
          SO YOU MIGHT SAY IF WE WERE NAMING THE TOP, UM, 10, THOSE WOULD BE THE PROJECTS AND WHAT WE CONSIDERED THAT WERE BELOW THAT TOP SIX. 
          CAN I, CAN I MAKE A CLARIFICATION REAL QUICK? SURE. 
          SO COUNSEL, UM, THESE ARE PROJECTS WE'RE GONNA WORK ON ANYWAY. 
          UM, SO I DON'T WANT IT TO COME ACROSS AS WE'RE ONLY GONNA DO THESE SIX FOCUS PROJECTS AND WE'RE NOT DOING ANY OF THIS OTHER STUFF. 
          I THINK WHAT, UM, WAS EXPLAINED TO ME WHEN I JOINED UP WITH THE TEAM YESTERDAY AFTERNOON AFTER WE FINISHED HERE WAS THAT, UM, WITH THIS NEW APPROACH, YOU KNOW, WHICH ONES DO WE WANNA TEST THIS OUT OR USE THEM ON, USE IT ON FIRST, UM, DIFFERENT THAN LIKE OUR STANDARD METHOD OR, UM, AND THAT'S WHERE THESE SIX COME IN. 
          SO IT'S NOT THE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO KEEP WORKING ON BROADBAND OR KEEP PROGRESSING THE POSSE GROUNDS PROJECT, WHICH IS IN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET ANYWAY. 
          UM, IT WAS JUST IF WE'RE GOING TO GET COUNCIL CHAMPIONS AND A COMMUNITY CHAMPION AND DO A FORMAL, UM, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN ON THE TOPIC AND, UM, SORT OF THAT EXTRA LEVEL OF, OF WORK AROUND IT IN USING THIS NEW MODEL, SO TO SPEAK. 
          UM, THEIR PROFESSIONAL OPINION WAS THESE FOCUS PROJECTS WOULD BE GOOD CANDIDATES FOR DOING THAT. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANY OF THE OTHER WORK IF THAT HELPS. 
          POOR CHOICE OF WORDS. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, PARDON? PER CHOICE. 
          POOR CHOICE OF A WORD IN THE, THE ALTERNATE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S THE DISTINCTION. 
          UM, SO ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          ARE THERE ANY SYNERGIES THAT YOU CAN DO THAT ALLOW YOU TO ACTUALLY COMPLETE THOSE PROJECTS? SORT OF LIKE ONE AFTER ANOTHER BECAUSE YOU HAVE SYNERGIES, AND I'M 
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THINKING MOSTLY OBVIOUSLY THE RESTROOMS, RIGHT? SO YOU'VE GOT THE RESTROOM PROJECT OVER AT RANGER, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE RESTROOM PROJECT OVER AT POSSE. 
          IN MY IGNORANCE, A RESTROOM IS A RESTROOM, SO IT JUST FEELS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF LIKE GLOMMING THEM TOGETHER. 
          MAYBE WE GET SOME, UM, WE CAN GET 'EM DONE FASTER, WE CAN GET 'EM DONE LESS EXPENSIVELY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THAT ONE CONTRACTOR WHO SAYS, I'LL DO THIS AND THEN I'M GONNA GO OVER AND DO THAT. 
          YOU AND I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M DOING IN A RESTROOM. 
          A RESTROOM Y YES. 
          UH, THERE'S DEFINITELY OVERLAP BETWEEN SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AND THOSE TWO DO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. 
          WHERE THEY MIGHT BE DIFFERENT IS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND THAT COMMUNITY CHAMPION, TYPICALLY OUR PARKS HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT ONE PARK BECAUSE THEY LIVE NEAR IT VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN OTHER PARKS AS WELL. 
          AND SO WE MIGHT ENGAGE WITH THEM TO HELP WITH THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH ON, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER PARK RESTROOM PROJECT. 
          BUT IF THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT REALLY DESIRE TO BE INVOLVED IN A PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE PARK THAT THEY'RE MOST PASSIONATE ABOUT, THEN WE MAY DO THE ENGAGEMENT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FOR THAT PROJECT. 
          I I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, THERE ARE A LOT OF PICKLEBALL PLAYERS OVER AT POSSE GROUND WHO WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A RESTROOM THAT DOESN'T STICK TO YOUR SHOES. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN YOU USE IT. 
          I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING, I DON'T KNOW HOW RANGER IS GOING, BUT I SEE JOSH, JOSH KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
           WELL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND EVERY DAY. 
          AND, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD. 
          ME TOO, JOSH , WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE PROJECTS, WHICH OF THESE ARE GONNA BE CHALLENGING TO GET IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE? AND WE FELT THE POSSE GROUND RESTROOM WAS LESS IN THAT CATEGORY THAN THE RANGER STATION RESTROOM, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          AND PART OF IT HAS TO DO WITH EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTING IT. 
          AND SO ARE WE GONNA GET PUSHBACK ON ACTUALLY COMPLETING THE PROJECT THAT MOST PEOPLE WANT IN THIS CASE FOR THAT PROJECT? I THINK WE THOUGHT THE ANSWER IS NO. 
          I'D BE SO SURPRISED. 
          UM, RIGHT. 
          ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION ON THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE. 
          UM, I'VE HEARD NOW FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE, INCLUDING ONE SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE, UM, THANK YOU, ED, ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE EVENT. 
          YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA SORT OF RESTRUCTURE THE PROGRAM, START STARING AT PRICE, BUT, UM, THE OTHER PART THAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN, APPARENTLY IN THE COMMUNITY IS HAVING A SPRING AND A FALL YARD WASTE PICKUP SO THAT THEY CAN GET RID OF ALL THE DETRITUS THAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE WINTER. 
          AND THEN IN THE FALL THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, THEY USUALLY GO IN AND THEY CLEAN UP AND AND WINTERIZE THEIR YARDS. 
          THEY HAVE MORE OF THIS STUFF. 
          SO JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. 
          I'M NOT SAYING TO DO IT OR NOT DO IT, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE HEARD , HE'S GOING, HE'S DOING THE JAPANESE, I HEARD YOU MAYBE, MAYBE WE COULD EXPLAIN WHAT BRYCE'S IDEA IS FOR CHANGE ON THIS PROGRAM. 
          THANK YOU, JUDGE. 
          UM, DO YOU WANT ME OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO? YEAH, I, I CAN, UH, FOR THE YARD WASTE COLLECTION, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PARTNER WITH PUBLIC WORKS TO WHAT WE COULD DO TO IMPROVE THAT OR WHATNOT SO THAT THE YARD WASTE, UM, PUBLIC WORKS HAS BEEN OVERSEEING THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR. 
          BUT FOR THE HAZARD HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE SIDE OF THINGS, WE'VE BEEN, UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS PAST EVENT HAD EXTREMELY HIGH TURNOUT AND WE HAD A LOT OF CONGESTION AND THE LIKE, UH, AT THAT EVENT. 
          UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, UH, HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET MORE OF A, UH, PILOTING LIKE A DOOR TO DOOR SERVICE, UH, PROGRAM FOR IT, THAT YOU CAN POTENTIALLY HAVE SIGNUPS, UH, THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO THEN GET, UH, A POOL OF PEOPLE TO THEN HAVE A CONTRACTOR CYCLE THROUGH IT. 
          UH, THAT WOULD KIND OF TAKE THAT BURDEN OF HAVING TO GET TO A SINGLE LOCATION, SENDING ALL THE TRAFFIC TO THAT LOCATION ON A SPECIFIC EVENT. 
          UM, SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DIVERSIFY HOW THAT LOOKS, UH, AND GET SOME BETTER IDEAS ON THE COST ESTIMATES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, BUT TO IMPROVE ON THE OPTIONS, UH, AS WELL AS JUST TO GET A MORE, UH, MORE VARIETY OF OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO DISPOSE OF IT THAN SINGULAR EVENTS THAT HAVE PROVEN TO BE TRAFFIC BURDENS, UH, WITHIN THE CITY AND THE LAKE. 
          SO I, I JUST WANNA, UM, APPLAUD THE IDEA BECAUSE IT'S ALSO A GREAT WAY FOR NEIGHBORHOODS TO COME TOGETHER AND SAY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER FOR THE HAZARDOUS WASTE EVENT INSTEAD OF INDIVIDUALS INSIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO IT JUST FEELS LIKE THAT'S A REAL, IT DOES TICK OFF THE, 
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THE, THE BOX FOR, YOU KNOW, GETTING, UH, THE COMMUNITY OR A SMALL SUBSET OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGED IN AN EVENT THAT THEY WANT. 
          SO, UM, KUDOS FOR THAT. 
          AND SANDY, I'M SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE DIRECTED THE OTHER QUESTION TOWARDS YOU. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          FIRST OFF, CAN YOU GO, CAN YOU GO BACK? I'M SORRY. 
          UM, I'M HAVING AMNESIA ON WALK, SEDONA, HOW'S THAT DIFFERENT THAN STEPS? WHAT THE SIM PROJECT IS FOR ALL THE SUVS? WHAT IS W SEDONA? YES, GOOD. 
          GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO I WAS GONNA ASK THAT TOO. 
          . 
          I DON'T FEEL BAD THEN. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T LIKE IT. 
          UH, ORIGINALLY WHAT WE HAVE NOW AS THE VIEW WALK USED TO BE THE HISTORY WALK, AS WE STARTED TO UPDATE THAT AND REFRESH THE BRANDING, WHAT WE REALIZED WAS A HISTORY WALK WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO BE ALONG JORDAN ROAD, LEADING UP TO THE JORDAN HISTORIC PART. 
          IN LOOKING AT THAT, OUR GROUP THAT WORKED ON REFRESHING THAT VIEW WALK SEGMENT CONSIDERED OTHER, WE KIND OF CALLED IT DISTRICTS WHERE THESE VIEW, OR I'M SORRY, THESE INFORMATIONAL PLAQUES WOULD BE PLACED. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IN RANGER STATION PARK, WE LOOKED AT THAT AT THE UNDERPASS, UH, ALONG OAK CREEK. 
          WE LOOKED AT THAT AREA, UM, AS I MENTIONED ALONG JORDAN ROAD. 
          SO W SEDONA IS, UH, THE HOLISTIC LOOK AT THESE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS AS WE CALL THEM, WHICH IS NOT A TERM SET IN STONE AT THIS POINT, BUT IT'S, IT'S A GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF THAT, THAT, UM, EFFORT I GUESS I WOULD SAY. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SO THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. 
          UM, WHILE YOU WERE SEQUESTERED AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF TODAY'S, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PROPOSED IDEAS, ONE OF THEM THAT I BROUGHT UP WAS ABOUT COMMUNITY. 
          AND MY IDEA ABOUT COMMUNITY IS RELATIVELY DIFFERENT THAN THIS LIST HERE. 
          UM, EVERYTHING'S IMPORTANT UP THERE. 
          UH, I WOULD ECHO WHAT PETE SAID THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, A RATE STUDY'S NOT GONNA GET THE COMMUNITY EXCITED PER SE, , UM, NECESSARY. 
          YES. 
          EXCITED. 
          I DON'T THINK SO. 
          AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE FRAME COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, MONDAY AND WHAT'S A CRISIS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE USE LARGELY TO, TO PRIORITIZE, RIGHT? LIKE PART OF THE CRISIS OF COMMUNITY THAT I THINK WE HAVE IS THAT RESIDENTS AND LIKE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY DON'T REALLY APPRECIATE EACH OTHER AS MUCH AS THEY NEED TO OR SHOULD, OR THAT WE WOULD WANT TO. 
          HOW CAN WE FOSTER THAT? WHAT KIND OF ACTIVITIES CAN WE EITHER, WE DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY SPONSOR THEM, BUT AT LEAST BE A CONVENER IN HELPING GET ACTIVITIES THAT GET PEOPLE ACROSS STAKEHOLDER GROUPS MORE CONNECTED WITH EACH OTHER. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CRITIQUES WE HEAR ALL THE TIME IS, OH, WELL ALL THE HOTELS ARE NOW, YOU KNOW, PE OWNED OR SOME TYPE OF CORPORATE GROUP OWNED, AND THERE'S ONLY ONE OR TWO THAT ARE LOCAL ANYMORE. 
          YET THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE ARE LOCAL, THEY'RE YOUR NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE MY NEIGHBORS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          BUT WE NEED TO GET THE COMMUNITY SEEING THAT THAT IS IN FACT COMMUNITY EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE CORPORATELY OWNED NOW. 
          AND THAT'S JUST A FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT? UM, SO WHILE I APPRECIATE WHAT'S ON THE LIST, I THINK IT IS NARROWER THAN WHAT IT OUGHT TO BE. 
          AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME ACTIVITIES OR SOME FOCUS PROJECTS THAT ARE REALLY GENERATED OR, OR FOCUSED ON GENERATING CROSS STAKEHOLDER PARTICIPATION AND REALLY BUILDING ENTHUSIASM AND, YOU KNOW, EVENTS, RIGHT? MUSIC, ATHLETICS, FOOD, YOU KNOW, CULTURE AND MOUNTAIN BIKINGS CULTURE, MELISSA. 
          UM, SO I'VE BEEN TOLD, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT BE PART OF WHAT'S UP THERE AND OF COURSE NEED TO KNOW WHETHER MY COLLEAGUES AGREE WITH THAT OR NOT BEFORE THAT BECOMES ANY KIND OF DIRECTION. 
          BUT THAT'S MY REACTION INITIALLY TO THE LIST UP THERE. 
          BUT OVERALL, LIKE, I APPRECIATE WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, SO THANK YOU. 
          IF I COULD MAYBE OFFER A LITTLE BIT OF A CLARIFICATION ON THAT. 
          I, I THINK THE APPROACH TO THIS IS SORT OF BIFURCATED IN, IN TWO DIFFERENT FOCUS AREAS. 
          ONE BEING WHAT ARE THE PROJECTS AND HOW DO THOSE BRING, UM, THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER? 
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BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS, SOME OF THESE ARE CONTROVERSIAL PROJECTS THAT AFFECT THE COMMUNITY, LIKE THE WASTEWATER STUDY, WHICH IS A, A NECESSARY THING THAT WE HAVE TO GET DONE. 
          AND VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT IS CONTROVERSIAL AND, AND A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE INCREASE OUR RATES, PEOPLE DON'T WANT THAT. 
          BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT UNDERSTAND IT AND, AND SUPPORT IT ACTUALLY. 
          THEY KNOW IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND KNOW IT NEEDS TO GET DONE. 
          THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE NEED TO BRING TO THE TABLE AND HAVE THEM HELP US GET THROUGH THESE, THESE KINDS OF PROCESSES WHERE IN THE END, THE GOAL IS TO KEEP THESE PEOPLE ENGAGED IN THE DIFFICULT THINGS THAT WE DO AND BRING THEM TOGETHER IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING IT DONE. 
          SO ANDY, I WOULD RESPOND IN SAYING, OKAY, I GET THAT. 
          BUT WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED SOUNDS TO ME LIKE COMMUNITY AS AN OVERARCHING THEME, JUST LIKE ENGAGEMENT TURNED INTO AN OVERARCHING THEME AS OPPOSED TO COMMUNITY BEING THE END GOAL, YOU KNOW, PRIORITY, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          UM, BECAUSE, BECAUSE HOW YOU RESPONDED TO ME WOULD BE TRUE ACROSS EVERY SINGLE THING WE DO, RIGHT? IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER IT'S A PRIORITY OR NOT IS HOW WELL WE ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY EFFECTIVELY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I GUESS I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK TO SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT ON THE LIST THAT TO KIND OF SHOW THE DIFFERENCE THERE THAT, UM, SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE DO DON'T AFFECT THE OVERALL COMMUNITY SO MUCH. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, IF I CAN JUMP IN REAL QUICK, EXCUSE ME, AT THE END OF DAY ONE, UM, I THINK WE SENT THE TEAM OFF TO IDENTIFY SOME, UH, SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT COULD BE DONE USING THIS FRAMEWORK AND INTEGRATE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THING INSTEAD OF AS A STANDALONE. 
          UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF HEARING THE CONVERSATION YOU HAD YESTERDAY AROUND YOUR SUGGESTION, VICE MAYOR. 
          UM, BUT WE DO HAVE JOSH HERE AND ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH ORGANIZING, SUPPORTING OR, UM, BEING A PART OF ANY LARGE SCALE COMMUNITY EVENT, OF COURSE IT'S GONNA END UP IN HIS SHOP. 
          AND SO YOU MIGHT WANNA HEAR A LITTLE BIT FROM HIM. 
          I THINK WE CAN STILL DO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF, UM, BRINGING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER FOR, YOU KNOW, FUN, ENGAGING THINGS. 
          UM, OR, OR MAY I SHOULD SAY. 
          AND, UM, THESE OTHER IDEAS YOU HAD ABOUT, SHOULDN'T WE DO SOME TOWN HALL TYPE FORMS OR CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR ON SPECIFIC TOPICS THAT THE COMMUNITY'S INTERESTED IN. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS SORT OF A INTERNAL GET THE WORK DONE FOCUS, RIGHT? UM, BUT DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING ABOUT COMMUNITY EVENTS? YEAH, I CAN SAY THAT TOO. 
          AND, UM, OF COURSE WE DO OUR SIGNATURE COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT WE HAVE ANNUALLY, UM, LIKE OUR FESTIVAL, THE FOOD TRUCK FESTIVAL CELEBRATION OF SPRING AND WELL AS SOME SMALLER ONES LIKE THE 4TH OF JULY, SUMMER SPLASH AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          ONE OF THE BIG ONES THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR THIS YEAR TO BRING TO COUNCIL THAT COUNCIL HAD BROUGHT UP PREVIOUSLY WAS A 250TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION FOR LIKE THE UNITED STATES 200 5200 50TH ANNIVERSARY. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF 'EM THAT WE'RE STARTING TO WORK ON THIS YEAR, UM, TO BRING TO THE COMMUNITY AND REALLY HAVE IT BE A COMMUNITY EVENT THAT'S ENGAGING THE LIBRARY, SAV CO, THE FOREST SERVICE, PARKS AND REC, A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT GROUPS IN THE COMMUNITY ALTOGETHER. 
          AND OUR IDEA RIGHT NOW IS HAVING IT KIND OF BE A WEEK LEADING UP TO JULY 4TH. 
          SO WE'LL DO OUR STANDARD JULY 4TH SUMMER SPLASH EVENT THAT WE DO. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE HUGE POPULAR COMMUNITY EVENTS, BUT WE'VE ALREADY STARTED WORKING WITH THE LIBRARY IN SAV CO. 
          AND REACHING OUT TO THEM AND WHAT THEY CAN DO IN THE DAYS LEADING UP, POTENTIALLY ONE OF THOSE COULD BE DOING ONE OF OUR SUMMER CONCERT IN THE PARK TYPE SERIES, EITHER AT THE PARK OR THE SPAC TYPES, UM, SET UP THERE DOING THE CONCERT THERE AND HAVING SAV CO DO LIKE MEMORIAL FLAG SERVICE, DOING SOME HONORING OF THE 250TH CELEBRATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, POTENTIALLY WITH A DRONE SHOW IN THE EVENING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO BRING TOGETHER THE COMMUNITY AND HOSTING A FEW MORE COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT WAY THAT WE'RE REALLY WORKING WITH, PARTNERING WITH SOME OTHER OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS RATHER THAN JUST HOSTING IT IN THE CITY AND HAVING DIFFERENT EVENTS GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE WEEK THAT CAN BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. 
          AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE MORE WORK SPECIFICALLY FOR STAFF AND PARKS AND REC. 
          I'M SAYING WE SHOULD BE FOSTERING AN 
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ENVIRONMENT THAT BRINGS DIFFERENT GROUPS TOGETHER THAT WANT TO HAVE EVENTS AND MAYBE JUST NEED SOME HELP WITH CONVENING OTHER STAKEHOLDERS AND SO FORTH, RIGHT? LIKE THE CHAMBER NEEDS TO BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION WITHOUT A DOUBT, RIGHT? NO, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THIS IS TOUCHING ON ANOTHER ONE THAT WE'LL GET ON LATER, BUT PART OF LIKE WESTERN GATEWAY AND THE POTENTIAL FOR EVENT SPACE AND THINGS THERE IS, WE HAVE MANY GROUPS THAT REACH OUT AND WANT TO HOST A YOGA FESTIVAL OR A VOR FEST TYPE GROUP, OR THE JAZZ ON THE ROCKS AND THOSE THINGS. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY WITH OUR PARK USAGE WHERE WE'RE AT, WE COULD HAVE A MAJOR EVENT IN THE PARK EVERY WEEK, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE NEED TO HAVE OPEN PARK SPACE AS WELL. 
          SO HAVING AN EVENT SPACE AND THAT TYPE OF THING, WHICH IS ONE OF THOSE FUTURE DISCUSSIONS, OPENS US UP TO A LOT MORE COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT AREN'T EVEN NECESSARILY ALL PARKS AND REC, BUT WOULD BE RENTAL TYPE PROGRAMS OR THINGS LIKE THAT TOO. 
          I, I THINK ONE MORE THING THAT KIND OF WORKS IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT LAST PIECE OF THE MODEL, WHICH WAS THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS. 
          A LOT OF TIMES WE ENGAGE WITH CERTAIN AREAS OF THE, OF THE COMMUNITY TO HELP WITH A PROJECT OR WHATEVER IT IS, BUT PART OF THIS FRAMEWORK IS ABOUT ESTABLISHING WHAT THE GOALS AND THE EXPECTATIONS ARE AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, AND THEN BRINGING THOSE FOLKS BACK TOGETHER TO CELEBRATE THE WIN. 
          AND THE INTENT THERE IS ENGAGING WITH THOSE DIFFERENT SECTORS OF THE COMMUNITY AND FOSTERING THEIR ENGAGEMENT INTO THE FUTURE, A CONTINUATION. 
          SO THEY'RE REALLY, WE HAVEN'T FULLY NAILED DOWN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BY, BY ANY MEANS WHATSOEVER, BUT I THINK THE CONCEPT BEHIND THAT STEP IS IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO, SO ANDY, UM, YESTERDAY WE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY IN A BROADER SENSE AS OPPOSED TO A PROJECT LEVEL. 
          AND SO I LOOK AT THE RANGER STATION RESTROOM AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          SO YESTERDAY I TALK, I PERSONALLY HAVE SEEN THE RESTROOM AT POSSE GROUNDS, UH, ON A CIP LIST FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS MM-HMM . 
          UH, AND PEOPLE DO BUG US ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME. 
          UH, SHADE STRUCTURES IS ANOTHER ONE THAT, THAT PEOPLE REALLY, REALLY WANT. 
          SO I'M THINKING THAT INSTEAD OF A SINGLE PROJECT LIKE THE RANGER STATION RESTROOM, IT'S MORE, TAKE IT UP A LEVEL. 
          IT'S ABOUT, UH, HOW WE AMENITIES TO THE COMMUNITY IN, UH, SEE THE PROJECTS TO ME THAT THEY AREN'T FINISHED. 
          IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SHADE STRUCTURE ON SANDBORN THUNDER MOUNTAIN, THAT PROJECT IS NOT FINISHED. 
          AND YET WE'VE GONE OUT TO THE NEXT PROJECT AND PEOPLE ARE USING THAT A LOT, BUT THEN A HOMEOWNER PUT SHADE OUT THERE AND CHAIRS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO HOW DO WE BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY? IT'S MORE HOLISTIC. 
          AND IF YOU WANT CHAMPIONS, IS SOMEBODY GONNA REALLY CHAMPION A RESTROOM AT, AT BREWER PARK AS OPPOSED TO CHAMPION CHAMPIONING  THE, UM, IDEA OF GREATER AMENITIES TO OUR PARKS AND OUR, UH, SUVS. 
          AND I DO THINK THAT'S PART OF THE OUTREACH, RIGHT? IS IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT RESTROOM, BUT IT WOULD BE A RESIDENT THAT LIVES DOWN BREWER ROAD THAT IS PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT PARK AND THEY WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE ABLE TO ENGAGE WITH THEM AND BRING THEM IN TO BUILD THE SUPPORT FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          YOU THINK THAT'S A CONTROVERSIAL PROJECT TO BUILD, TO HAVE A RESTROOM? WELL, JUST THE PRICE, YEAH, THE PRICE CERTAINLY WAS, THAT'S CONTROVERSIAL FOR US, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. 
          WELL, I DIDN'T THINK THE RESTROOM AT THE PARK AND RIDE WOULD BE CONTROVERSIAL, BUT OF COURSE IT WAS, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, SOMETIMES IT'S ABOUT THE LOOK, THE ARCHITECTURE, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND IF WE HAVE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS AND THEY CAN BUY IN AND SUPPORT WHAT WE'RE DOING, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AFTER. 
          AND I CAN MENTION WE'RE ONLY TALKING COMMUNITY HERE, AND THERE WAS A, A PERCEPTION THAT THERE'S OVERLAP IN THESE THINGS EARLIER WHEN WE GET TO CIRCULATION, THE AMENITIES ALONG, SHARED REDUCED PATHS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S PART OF CIRCULATION NOW. 
          IT IS ALSO COMMUNITY. 
          AND, AND I DO THINK 
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THESE PRIORITIES WILL OVERLAP WITH EACH OTHER IN THE PROJECTS, BUT, UM, THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN OUR GROUP ABOUT THAT AS WELL. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS THE LEAD PRIORITY ON, UH, WHAT WAS IT, UH, WAS IT TREE REMOVAL? ? I FORGET ONE OF THE PROJECTS WHERE WE HAD A DEBATE OVER WHICH, WHICH PRIORITY DOES THIS FIT UNDER? BUT I THINK YOU WILL SEE THAT COMMUNITY IN THIS MODEL OVERLAPS EVERY PRIORITY WE DO, AND PROBABLY PROJECT TO A CERTAIN DEGREE WHEN WE BRING IN THIS MODEL OF, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPLETING COM, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THIS IS TO A HIGHER LEVEL THAN WHAT WE WOULD, UH, PROVIDE SOME OF THOSE OTHER PROJECTS LIKE BROADBAND, FOR INSTANCE, THAT WE THOUGHT WAS SO FAR DOWN THE ROAD OF, UM, MOVING ALONG, BUT IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO PRIORITIZE IT TO, UM, FITTING THE, THE LEVEL OF THE EFFORT THAT IT WILL TAKE, UM, TO IMPLEMENT THIS MODEL. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT BROADBAND YESTERDAY ACTUALLY. 
          MAY I, UH, I REALLY LIKE WHAT THE MAYOR JUST SAID, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE, UM, UMBRELLA, I GUESS. 
          SO IN THE END, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA GET DOWN TO GRANULAR AT THE STAFF LEVEL, RIGHT? TO ACTUALLY DO THE PROJECTS. 
          BUT I, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE OF BEING A CHAMPION AND HAVING COMMUNITY CHAMPIONS, UM, IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE YES, WE NEED LIKE THAT LEVEL OF LIKE FIRST IT'S COMMUNITY AND THEN WHAT'S THAT OVERARCHING, UM, UMBRELLA FOR THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE GONNA FALL UNDER THAT. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY, YES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SPECIFIC PROJECTS, RIGHT, THAT THE STAFF ARE ASSIGNED TO DO WITHIN THAT, UM, UMBRELLA. 
          SO I WROTE THAT DOWN ABOUT, UM, HAVING THE, UH, HIGHER LEVEL, UM, SORT OF PURPOSE FOR THE COUNCIL CHAMPION REGARDING ANY OF THIS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          NO, BRIAN WANTED TO TAG ONTO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE LIKE WHEN YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE, THE, THE HOMEOWNER ON SANBORN THAT PUT A COUPLE OF, YOU KNOW, CHAIRS OUT, EVERY TIME I GO BY THERE, I THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING TO, TO BRING THAT UP A LEVEL TO, AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT'S ROTTING AWAY IN THE, THE SUN AND THE RAIN, RIGHT? AND, AND SO I I, I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY, LIKE A COMMUNITY INVESTMENT FUND OR A COMMUNITY INVESTMENT COMMITTEE, NOT ALL TOGETHER, DIFFERENT THAN THE SMALL GRANTS COMMITTEE, BUT FOCUSED ON PULLING IN IDEAS FROM THE COMMUNITY ON SIMPLE, RELATIVELY SIMPLE, VERY, UH, SUBJECTIVE TERM OF, UH, THINGS THAT PEOPLE MIGHT WANT THAT WOULD BUILD A SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND MAKE IT FEEL LIKE RESIDENTS ARE BEING SEEN, HEARD, AND THINGS ARE HAPPENING THAT THEY WANT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY CAME FORWARD AND SAID, GEE, YOU KNOW, WE OUGHT TO HAVE A NICE BENCH AND SHADE STRUCTURE AT THAT CORNER ON SANBORN. 
          LIKE, WHAT A PERFECT EXAMPLE. 
          SO, AND THAT'S YET ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR ENGAGEMENT AND COMMUNITY BY HAVING A GROUP THAT'S LIKE STEPHANIE'S GROUP, BUT NOT FOCUSED ON, YOU KNOW, NONPROFITS AND ARTS ORGANIZATIONS, RIGHT? BUT LITERALLY MORE LIKE SIMPLE INFRASTRUCTURE TYPES OF NEEDS OR WANTS IN THE COMMUNITY AND HAVING THEM PART OF FILTERING OUT THOSE ASKS. 
          SO, SO WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT TRYING TO IMPLEMENT AMENITIES WITH THE JI'S PATH DESIGNS AS WE GO FORWARD. 
          THUNDER MOUNTAIN SANBORN IS A REAL EASY, YOU KNOW, REFLECTION BACK ON HINDSIGHT BEING 2020, I WOULD OFFER THOUGH THAT THE PERSON THAT PUT OUT CHAIRS AND THINGS TODAY DID NOT SUPPORT THE PROJECT WHEN WE BUILT IT. 
          THEY'VE, THEY, THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR PARADIGM AND THERE'S A LOT OF THAT GOING ON. 
          AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY CHALLENGE GOING BACK AND CRITICIZING SUN, UH, THUNDER MOUNTAIN SANBORN FOR WHY WEREN'T AMENITIES INCLUDED IN THE BEGINNING, BECAUSE IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO EVEN BUILD 10 FEET OF SHARED JUICE PATH BACK THEN. 
          THE WHOLE PARADIGM HAS CHANGED NOW, AND IT'S, IT'S EASY TO NOW SAY, WHY, WHY DIDN'T WE DO THIS? WE'RE WORKING ON SOMETHING TODAY. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU IT'S STILL NOT EASY TODAY BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS BEING LOOKED AT AND AWAY. 
          CAN YOU, CAN YOU MOVE IT JUST 15 FEET TO THE WEST? WELL NOW IT'S ON FOREST SERVICE LAND, AND NOW WE NEED A, A NEPA AND NOW WE NEED THIS. 
          IT, IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT THAT SIMPLE. 
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IS IS ALL I WANT TO OFFER . 
          WELL, AND AT LEAST IN MY CASE, ANDY, I WASN'T MAKING A CRITIQUE. 
          I'M JUST SAYING, HEY, NOW I SEE A NEED. 
          I KNOW HOW HARD IT WAS, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          AND I KNOW WE WERE GETTING PUSHED BACK ON DRY CREEK RIGHT UP TO THE LAST SECOND AND THERE WAS REALIGNMENT AND SO FORTH, RIGHT? SO TOTALLY GET THAT. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, MY POINT IS, IS THAT HERE'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO HAVE STRUCTURED, ORGANIZED APPROACH TO PEOPLE MAKING REQUESTS FOR THINGS THAT THEY SEE THAT WOULD MAKE A MEANINGFUL IMPROVEMENT IN THEIR COMMUNITY. 
          AND WHO KNOWS, THAT COUPLE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE THE ONES THAT SAY, HEY, WHY DON'T WE DRESS THIS UP A LITTLE BIT? BECAUSE THEY MAY BE JUST THINKING IT'S GREAT THE WAY IT IS. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'M JUST WONDERING FOR, AND ANNETTE, I THINK YOU HAVE THE CLEAREST VISION ON, ON THIS WHERE FOR WHERE WE NEED TO BE TODAY AND DISCUSSING, IS THIS THE GRANULAR LEVEL THAT WE SHOULD BE AT RIGHT NOW TO BE GETTING WHERE WE NEED TO GET? I, I JUST WANNA, I DON'T WANNA NOT HAVE DISCUSSIONS, BUT I DON'T WANNA BOG DOWN IF WE'RE NOT. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, WE COULD CONTINUE ON. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, THESE ARE ALL PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THE TO-DO LIST NOW. 
          THEY WERE JUST HIGHLIGHTED AS, UM, OPPORTUNITIES TO USE THIS MORE INTENSIVE, YOU KNOW, APPROACH OR A DIFFERENT APPROACH THAN WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. 
          SO MAYBE WE COULD, UH, CONTINUE ON SO WE CAN GET THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHERS. 
          AND THEN, UM, DEF I'VE BEEN TAKING NOTES ALL ALONG AND, UM, ULTIMATELY WE CAN COME BACK WITH A REVISED, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING DOCUMENT OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA SEE ON HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THIS. 
          BUT IF YOU WANT TO, MELISSA HAD SOME COMMENTS. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, I'M GONNA JUST REITERATE WHAT THE CITY MANAGER JUST SAID, AND THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THESE UMBRELLA IDEAS OF LIKE AMENITIES, YOU KNOW, UM, WHETHER YOU WANNA CALL 'EM RESIDENT AMENITIES, YOU JUST WANNA CALL THEM JUST AMENITIES, UH, AND INCREASE THOSE AMENITIES, WHATEVER THOSE UMBRELLA THINGS ARE, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, NOT THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS, RIGHT? SO YOU, YOU, WE NEED BUY-IN ON THE FACT THAT WE WANNA PUT AMENITIES ON SHARED USE PASS, AND THOSE AMENITIES WOULD BE SHADE STRUCTURES OR WHATEVER, NOT, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT AN AMENITY ON, YOU KNOW, THUNDER MOUNTAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEXT LEVEL DOWN. 
          BUT FIRST YOU CAN WANNA SOCIALIZE THE IDEA OF AMENITIES JUST GENERALLY ON SHARED USE PASS OR AMENITIES AT THE PARK. 
          AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UM, SO I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE UMBRELLA THING. 
          IT'S, IT'S MORE FOR ALLOWING COMMUNICATION THAN IT IS FOR YOU GETTING YOUR JOBS DONE. 
          UM, BUT YOU NEED THAT BECAUSE WE WANT THAT BUY-IN AND IF WE WANT THAT BUY-IN, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO SPEAK IN TERMS THAT ARE BROADER AND MORE CONCEPTUAL. 
          SO THEY GET THE IDEA OF THE WHOLE CITY'S GONNA GET THIS NOT JUST UNDER MOUNTAIN. 
          AND SO NOW THEY HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO THINK MORE BROADLY AROUND WHERE WOULD YOU WANT AMENITIES? SO TO UM, YOUR POINT, BRIAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER SUCH A COMMITTEE OF, OF RESIDENTS, IT'S GOTTA BE DIRECTED. 
          IT CAN'T BE JUST GO OUT AND GATHER A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE WANT. 
          IT HAS TO BE LIKE, WHAT AMENITIES WOULD WE LIKE TO SEE A LONG SHARED USE PASS? WHAT AMENITIES WOULD WE LIKE TO SEE IN THE PARKS SO THAT THEY ALSO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS THEY'RE ASKING AND PEOPLE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY'RE BEING ASKED FOR. 
          SO WE NEED TO BE SPECIFIC AT THAT CONCEPTUAL LEVEL, I BELIEVE, IN ORDER FOR US TO GET WHAT WE REALLY WANT, WHICH IS FOR YOU TO TURN IT INTO THOSE PROJECTS. 
          AND FINALLY, I JUST WANNA SAY GENERALLY REGARDING THESE PROJECTS, PROJECTS, WE ASKED FOR THIS, WE SAID WHEN, AND JONATHAN WAS HERE, WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT THEY COULD DO THAT WOULD INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY, UM, IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE COULD CELEBRATE THAT THESE WERE DONE? AND SANDY MENTIONED GETTING RID OF INVASIVE TREES, RIGHT? WHICH PROBABLY WOULD TRANSLATE TO ANYTHING INVASIVE  AS FAR AS PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED. 
          WHAT'S A TREE? WHAT'S A BUSH? WHAT'S, WHAT'S A FLOWER? SO THAT, THAT'S THE LEVEL WE ASKED FOR, FOR THEM TO GIVE US THOSE SO THAT WE HAD SMALL THINGS THAT WE COULD CELEBRATE WHEN WE DID THEM, THAT THE COMMUNITY COULD EVEN ENGAGE IN. 
          LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF SANDY WANTED TO, SHE COULD PUT TOGETHER A, HERE'S THE LIST, AND I THINK I SAW THIS FROM ONE OF YOUR SUSTAINABILITY, UH, PEOPLE A YEAR OR SO AGO, LIKE THE LIST OF ALL THE PLANTS, RIGHT? AND WHAT ARE THE BAD PLANTS THAT YOU SEE? SO JUST LIKE PUTTING TOGETHER SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEN SANDY RUNNING A WORKSHOP OR WHOEVER IT WOULD BE RUNNING A WORKSHOP THAT SAYS, THESE ARE THE PLANTS THAT YOU NEED TO LOOK FOR. 
          AND OH, BY THE WAY, WE'LL COME OUT AND HELP YOU IF YOU ASK US TO. 
          MEANWHILE, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT ON PUBLIC LANDS. 
          NOW I'M MAKING S**T UP HERE, RIGHT? BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE ASKED FOR THIS AND WE CAN'T, I DON'T THINK WE CAN CRITICIZE THEM FOR TRYING TO GIVE US WHAT WE ASKED FOR. 
          SO I'LL SHUT UP NOW. 
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OKAY, I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE GETS INTO HOUSING. 
          YEP. 
          ALRIGHT, SO ON HOUSING, UM, WE TOOK A BIT OF A, OF A DIFFERENT, UM, A DIFFERENT SPIN AND DECIDED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A STAB AT THOSE THREE SCENARIOS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          UM, BECAUSE EACH OF THOSE THREE SCENARIOS IS GOING TO TAKE US DOWN A DIFFERENT PATH. 
          NOW, UM, WHEN WE SAY WE, WE DID THIS, UM, JUST A QUICK CAVEAT. 
          OBVIOUSLY THIS IS OVER THE COURSE OF JUST PROFESSIONAL BRAINSTORMING. 
          THERE IS NO SCIENCE HERE EXCEPT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE THINK COULD BE IMPACTFUL, UM, FOR EACH SCENARIO. 
          BUT THE INTENTION WAS TO GO AHEAD AND THROW OUT WHAT WE THINK THOSE THREE SCENARIOS WOULD LOOK LIKE, GET YOUR REACTION FROM THEM, AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE DO WE NEED TO TWEAK ONE? DO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT ONE, CAN ONE OF THE OTHERS, OR DO WE HAVE ENOUGH OF A SENSE OF DIRECTION JUST ON THIS SIMPLE EXERCISE THAT WE CAN SIMPLY SAY THAT'S WHAT WE WANT? SO, UM, SO WE DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT ROUTE AND, UM, AND GIVE YOU THREE IDEAS OF WAYS WE COULD MOVE FORWARD, UM, WITH A HOUSING APPROACH. 
          SO KURT, IF YOU DON'T MIND THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE CURRENT TRENDS, AND ESSENTIALLY THIS IS THE LOWEST KEY, UM, APPROACH TO TAKE. 
          SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IS, UM, KNOW THE UPSIDE OF THIS IS WE ARE NOT SPENDING A LOT OF EFFORT IN TRYING TO IMPACT OUR HOUSING APPROACH. 
          THE MARKET IS DOING IT FOR US. 
          SO IN THAT CASE THOUGH, WE DO HAVE TO CONTEND WITH THE FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY. 
          UM, OUR HOUSING COSTS WILL CONTINUE TO CLIMB, UM, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE SEEING A CERTAIN SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION THAT CAN AFFORD TO CONTINUE TO LIVE HERE. 
          AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE SEEING PRESSURES, UM, FROM SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          YOU'RE ALSO SEEING PRESSURE AS A RESULT OF THE SIMPLE FACT THAT YOU HAVE LAND CONSTRAINTS. 
          UM, YOUR WORKFORCE SUPPORT WILL CONTINUE TO DECREASE. 
          I'M GOING THROUGH THE NEGATIVES FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THE POSITIVES, ET CETERA, AND WE'LL DO THIS ON EACH ONE OF THEM. 
          THE WORKFORCE, UM, SUPPORT WILL CONTINUE TO DECREASE BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, IT'S BECOMING LESS AFFORDABLE THROUGHOUT THE VERDE VALLEY REGION. 
          UM, NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SEE LESS AND LESS FAMILIES, UM, INCREASED HEALTHCARE NEEDS AND SHIFTING HEALTHCARE NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, EVENTS AND PROGRAMS SHIFTING MORE TOWARDS THE SENIOR FOCUS AS WE'RE LOOKING MORE TOWARDS OUR EXISTING, UM, RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO WHAT WE SEE AS A POTENTIAL CONTRAST BETWEEN THE NEEDS AND THE ATTITUDES OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. 
          AND THE CHARACTERISTICS AND TRAITS OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN AS OUR VISITORS. 
          UM, THE CHALLENGES WITH IT ARE DEALING WITH, UM, THE ASSISTANCE NEEDS THAT COMES WITH AN INCREASINGLY AGING POPULATION. 
          UM, THE POTENTIAL NEED FOR BUILDING SMALLER UNITS AND AMENITIES BECAUSE WE WILL BE SEEING AN INCREASING NUMBER OF, UM, ONE PERSON HOUSEHOLDS AND THEN POTENTIAL LIMITED DISPOSABLE INCOME BECAUSE AGAIN, WHAT WE SEE IS PEOPLE PUTTING THEIR WEALTH INTO THEIR HOUSING AND MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE ABLE TO PUT AS MUCH OF IT INTO RESTAURANTS, RETAIL, ET CETERA. 
          AND AGAIN, THESE ARE PROFESSIONAL BEST GUESSES. 
          WE COULD BE WRONG ON SOME OF THESE. 
          UM, THE POSITIVES WE SAW WAS AN INCREASED OPPORTUNITY IN CONNECT RIDERSHIP AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR TRANSIT INCREASE AS, AS THE POPULATION AGES. 
          UM, AN INCREASING DEMAND FOR JOBS, UM, PARTICULARLY IN THE SERVICE SECTORS AND, AND, UM, PROVIDER ROLES. 
          UM, POOL AND RECREATIONAL USE INCREASE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT HAS TO ADAPT TO THE NEEDS OF THE POPULATION. 
          UM, THE OTHER POSITIVE IS THERE'S LESS INPUT AS FAR AS MONETARY INPUT INTO HOUSING, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM CITY GOVERNMENT. 
          SO THAT'S THE CURRENT TREND. 
          IF WE MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE NEXT SLIDE IS ON WORKFORCE FOCUSED HOUSING, WHICH IS THE CURRENT, UM, DISCUSSION. 
          AND THAT IS FOCUSED ON PROVIDING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK LOCALLY TO LIVE LOCALLY. 
          UM, THE NEGATIVES HERE IS THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON A VERY SPECIFIC SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION THAT COULD BECOME FAMILIES BUT MAY NOT BECOME FAMILIES. 
          SO TYPICALLY YOUR HOUSEHOLD SIZE IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER. 
          UM, SO THE TYPES OF HOUSING UNITS YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING TOWARDS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER. 
          SO YOU MIGHT HERE SEE A STRONGER FOCUS ON ONE BEDROOM STUDIO, MAYBE TWO BEDROOM UNITS, ET CETERA. 
          UM, YOU HAVE AN IMPACT ON 
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THE SCHOOL ENROLLMENT. 
          UM, BUT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY INSURING, NOT INSURING I SHOULD, THAT'S THE WRONG TERM, BUT THE FOCUS IS NOT ON FAMILIES, IT'S SPECIFICALLY ON WORKFORCE, UM, THEN YOU MAY NOT SEE A SUBSTANTIAL BUMP IN YOUR SCHOOL ENROLLMENT. 
          UM, THE NEGATIVE SIDE IN ADDITION TO THAT IS THE COST OF BEING ABLE TO BUILD THE WORKFORCE. 
          HOUSING, OBVIOUSLY, AND THE LAND THAT REQUIRED THE POSITIVE POSITIVES TO IT. 
          INCREASED SOCIAL ENGAGEMENT BECAUSE YOU NOW HAVE A, A MORE DIVERSE POPULATION OF LIVING WITHIN THE AREA. 
          INCREASED SENSE OF PLACE, UM, REDUCE, UH, REDUCTION ON COMMUTER TRAFFIC, NOT NECESSARILY TRAFFIC AS A WHOLE, BUT COMMUTER TRAFFIC, UM, PROXIMITY OF RESPONDERS AND OTHER PROVIDERS, UH, LIVING CLOSER TO WHERE WE SERVE, UM, AS WELL AS AN INCREASE IN FAMILIES. 
          WE DON'T, IT WILL BE SOMEWHAT MUTED. 
          UM, THE CHALLENGES THE GROUP THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT ARE INCOME LIMITED, SO THEIR IMPACT ON THE LOCAL ECONOMY WILL BE, UM, WILL BE SUCH, UM, IT IS WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND AGAIN, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND YOU'RE ALREADY TRYING TO ADAPT TO AND ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF WORKFORCE HOUSING. 
          SO YOU SEE WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THAT. 
          UM, LIMITED SUPPORT FROM SCHOOLS FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT IT IS NOT GOING TO PUT AS MUCH INTO THE COFFERS FOR SCHOOLS. 
          UM, SOCIAL ACTIVITY, UM, WOULD BE INCREASED, BUT IT WOULD BE LIMITED AND IT WOULD BE FOCUSED. 
          SO IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, KURT. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE IS WHAT WE CALL FAMILY PLUS WORKFORCE. 
          AND THE CONCEPT HERE IS FOCUSING ON PROMOTING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO BUILD LONG-TERM ROOTS LOCALLY. 
          SO THE NEGATIVE SIZE TO THIS ARE THE COST TO IMPLEMENT IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS TRANSFORMING THE, THE TREND. 
          SO IT'S GOING TO COST TO TRANSFORM THAT TREND. 
          UM, INCREASED GOVERNMENT SERVICES, UH, WHEN WE SAY GOVERNMENT SERVICES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NEED, YOU KNOW, THIS MAY RESULT IN MORE POLICE PROTECTION, NEED FOR POLICE PROTECTION, MORE SERVICES WITH THE LIBRARY. 
          IT MAY RESULT IN DIFFERENT AND INCREASED TYPES OF RECREATION, AMENITY TYPES OF ACTIVITIES, UM, AND OF COURSE DEVELOPMENT DI DENSITY THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT AND THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES WITH IT. 
          THE, UH, THE POSITIVES TO IT IS WE'RE BUILDING A SUSTAINABLE LOCAL WORKFORCE AND INCREASING A LOCAL SENSE OF PLACE AND A SENSE OF VIBRANCY BY HAVING FAMILIES INCREASINGLY BACK INTO THE MIX. 
          UM, AND INCREASED SUPPORT FOR HEALTHCARE DEMAND ACROSS A VARIETY OF AGE CATEGORIES. 
          UM, DIVERSIFIED HOUSING INVENTORY, IMPROVE SCHOOL SUPPORT AND FUNDING. 
          UM, DIVERSIFIES THE ECONOMY, ECONOMIC RESILIENCY, UM, HELPS SUSTAIN THE POPULATION. 
          ALSO HAS THE POTENTIAL TO SPUR REDEVELOPMENT IN SOME OF OUR EXISTING AREAS, UM, AND INCREASES OUR SOCIAL DIVERSITY. 
          UM, THE CHALLENGES, UM, THAT WERE MENTIONED WERE, UM, ONE, THE SCHOOLS BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE ON OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          UM, INCOME, LOW PAYING JOBS, LIMITED CAREER PATHS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TODAY. 
          SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          UH, THE NEED FOR CHILDCARE, HEALTHCARE, UM, CREATING A NEW FAMILY FOCUSED INVENTORY IN OUR HOUSING STOCK. 
          UM, THE COST AND AVAILABILITY OF LAND, AND THEN THE IN PLACE AMENITIES BECAUSE THE AMENITIES THAT WE NEED FOR FAMILIES ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN PEOPLE AGING IN PLACE. 
          SO THOSE ARE, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST BRAINSTORMING. 
          THERE'S NO, LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T WANT TO PRESENT IT AS SCIENCE. 
          UM, THAT WOULD BE WHAT COMES NEXT. 
          BUT WE WANTED TO THROW THESE OUT FOR YOU FOR DISCUSSION TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THERE THAT WE IMMEDIATELY TOSS OUT IF THERE'S ONE THAT'S OBVIOUS THAT WE WANT TO MOVE TOWARDS. 
          OR, UM, IS THERE ANOTHER ROUTE WE SHOULD BE THINKING? THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS ONE. 
          I, THERE THERE'S COMPELLING ASPECTS TO ALL THREE, RIGHT? SO IT REALLY BECOMES KIND OF LIKE A MIX, RIGHT? SO I'D BE LIKE, OKAY, WELL 10% ON THE CURRENT TREND, 30% ON WORKFORCE, AND 60% ON FAMILY PLUS WORKFORCE, RIGHT? LIKE, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE HOW I REACT TO THAT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, CAN WE SPLIT HAIRS ABOUT WHAT'S A POSITIVE OR A NEGATIVE? WHETHER A NEGATIVE'S REALLY A NEGATIVE. 
          YEAH, OF COURSE. 
          BUT WE KILL YOU GUYS WITH ENOUGH OF THAT FEEDBACK ALREADY. 
          SO I'LL SPARE YOU THIS TIME. 
          UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S HOW I WOULD RESPOND TO IT. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A, A GOOD WAY OF THINKING ABOUT IT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, TO MY COLLEAGUES, I WOULD SAY IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE A PRIMARY EMPHASIS ON FAMILY PLUS WORKFORCE, THEN WE'RE JUST BASICALLY ASKING TO HAVE THIS PLACE AGE OUT. 
          AND, UH, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MELISSA, YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT WHAT DO WE 
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WANT TO BE, DO WE WANT TO AGE OUT AND BE NOTHING BUT A RESORT COMMUNITY OR, OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE WHAT IS REPRESENTED THERE AS FAMILY PLUS WORKFORCE? SO, YOU KNOW, FOR ME IT'S THE PRIMARY EMPHASIS NEEDS TO BE ON FAMILY PLUS WORKFORCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCONNECT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE TO RESOLVE, WHICH IS THAT THE LAST TIME I SPOKE TO THE SUPERINTENDENT, HE TOLD ME, WHICH WAS ONLY A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, HE TOLD ME THAT THE INBOUND KINDERGARTEN AND, AND UM, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CLASSES WERE FAR LARGER THAN THE GRADUATING CLASSES FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          AND THEN, UM, SOME LOCAL PEOPLE I WAS TALKING TO WHO WERE YOUNG WITH FAMILIES TOLD ME THAT DURING COVID, A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVED HERE AND THEY HAD CHILDREN. 
          AND, AND THAT WOULD ALIGN AS TO WHY POTENTIALLY THE POPULATION IN, IN THE LOWER GRADES IS INCREASING. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE MORE FAMILIES HERE. 
          I'M NOT SURE WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN WANTING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR QUITE A WHILE SO THAT WE CAN BETTER APPRECIATE WHAT THAT TREND MIGHT LOOK LIKE HERE THAT'S NOT YET REFLECTED IN THE DATA. 
          AND THAT TO ME WOULD INFLUENCE TO SOME DEGREE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WOULD JUST ASK FOR FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS IS MELISSA ASKED THIS QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IS OUR GOAL? IS OUR GOAL TO INCREASE OUR POPULATION? IS OUR GOAL TO MIX? YOU KNOW, LIKE BRIAN WAS JUST SAYING, GET A BETTER MIX IN OUR POPULATION SO THAT WE DON'T AGE OUT. 
          SO MAYBE FUNDAMENTALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS DISCUSS THAT, ARE WE LOOKING TO HAVE A STEADY POPULATION BUT CHANGE THE MIX OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE OR, YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE EMPHASIZING FAMILIES? SO THOSE ARE TWO THINGS I WOULD ASK YOU IF YOU, WHETHER YOU DISCUSSED THEM OR HAVE SOME VIEWS ON THEM. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT WE ACTUALLY DID SPEND TIME DISCUSSING. 
          UH, IT WILL BE A, I THINK THERE'S A NATURAL DYNAMIC HERE. 
          THERE'S THERE'S A GROWTH CAP RIGHT HERE BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH GROWTH YOU CAN DO AND STILL KEEP YOUR SENSE OF COMMUNITY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY'S NOT BUILDING SEVEN STORY BUILDINGS ANYTIME SOON. 
          SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU WANT TO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF, IF WE WERE TO SET, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DO THIS, BUT LET'S SAY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE RATIOS BACK TO WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN 2010 WHEN 13% OF OUR POPULATION WAS 18 YEARS AND YOUNGER. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST AS A, JUST AS A GOAL THEN WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF REDEVELOPMENT? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF NEW HOUSING UNITS? THAT WOULD BE THE THING THAT WE WOULD LOOK TO. 
          SO YOU WOULD INCREASE YOUR POPULATION SOMEWHAT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, BUT WE WOULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT IT BECAUSE THAT'S A GRADUAL THING. 
          SO YOU WOULDN'T BE LOOKING TO GO FROM, YOU KNOW, 10,500 TO 14,000. 
          DOES THAT HELP ANSWER THE QUESTION? WELL, DO YOU NEED DIRECTION FROM US FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ACHIEVE? DO WE YES. 
          SO THERE'S ALIGNMENT BETWEEN WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND WHAT ABSOLUTELY. 
          RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          PETE, NICK, MAYOR, COULD I, KURT, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST ONE? CURRENT TRENDS? YEAH, I, I WAS JUST REACTING VICE MAYOR FOLTZ, YOU HAD SAID THERE'S POSITIVES FOR ALL THREE, AND I'M NOT SURE THERE'S MUCH POSITIVES IN THE CURRENT TRENDS . 
          SO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO REFLECT THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE THINKING ABOUT THE CURRENT TRENDS AND REALLY COME TO A CONSENSUS ABOUT WHAT WE REALLY FEEL THE CURRENT PATH DOING. 
          NOTHING DIFFERENT REALLY IS GOING TO RESULT IN, I I GUESS YOU HAVE SOME POSITIVES HERE THAT WAS PUTTING LIPSTICK ON THE PIG  MAYBE. 
          UM, I'M REGRETTING THAT I SAID THAT BECAUSE SEDONAS NOT BIG . 
          WELL, AND I THINK TO, TO YOUR POINT COUNCIL MEMBER THIS, WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IS WRITE A SCENARIO THAT DENIGRATED WHAT YOU HAVE. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE IS FANTASTIC. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          AND YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU WANT TO GAIN BACK SOME OF THE OTHER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          YEAH, THAT, THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S WHAT I MEANT TO SAY. 
          SURE. 
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AND THEN SKIPPING TO FORWARD THE WORKFORCE PLUS FAMILY, YOU KNOW, MY GUESS IS THAT ALL OF US WOULD JUMP ON THAT TRAIN BECAUSE THE, THE NEXT ONE, WORKFORCE PLUS FAMILY. 
          BUT I OFTEN, I THINK ABOUT THIS AS WELL, THAT TO CHANGE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA DO SOMETHING IMMEDIATE AND THEN YOU GOTTA WAIT. 
          THE SHIP IS GONNA TAKE A LONG TIME TO TURN. 
          AND I WORRY ABOUT THAT IF WE, WITH THE END GOAL OF FAMILY, AND I DON'T, THIS IS SO DIFFICULT TO SAY, 'CAUSE I, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE MISINTERPRETED EITHER, THAT IF WE JUST GO OFF AND START TRYING TO BUILD STUFF FOR FAMILY. 
          THE, THE CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW OF REBUILDING FAMILY IS THE SCHOOLS ARE NOT IN GREAT SHAPE. 
          AND SECOND, UH, THE, THE WORKFORCE IS NOT SUPER DIVERSE. 
          SO ANYONE COMING INTO TOWN WITH A TRAILING SPOUSE THAT'S TRYING TO FIND A JOB THAT'S A DETERRENT FOR PEOPLE COMING TO SEDONA, THE CURRENT STATE OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS ALSO A CURRENT DETERRENT FOR PEOPLE COMING TO SEDONA. 
          SO THE EASIEST PLAY TO GET ENTHUSIASTIC PEOPLE THAT MIGHT HELP TURN THE SHIP IN THE FUTURE IS TO REALLY LOOK AT THE WORKFORCE PEOPLE, THE YOUNGER PEOPLE WHO ARE KIND OF EASIER TO GET HERE UNDER THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          AND SO I JUST KIND OF THROW THAT OUT ABOUT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY DO YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE END RESULT, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO GET THERE. 
          AND SOMETIMES THE, THE IMMEDIATE DECISION YOU MAKE IS NOT THE EXACT SAME AS THE END DECISIONS THAT YOU WOULD MAKE. 
          SO, AND THEN I'LL JUST REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WHEN A COUNCIL MEMBER ASKS A QUESTION, IT'S ALWAYS, WHAT A GREAT QUESTION. 
          THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE RIGHT RESPONSE. 
          , WE RESPOND BACK TO PETE. 
          I DO TOO. 
          FOR ONE SECOND. 
          GREAT QUESTION. 
          YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL, THE GREAT QUESTION, PETE OR GREAT, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, I THINK THERE'S A, UM, UH, A MISIMPRESSION, THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING SO MUCH BETTER. 
          WEST SEDONA SCHOOL GOT A B RATING FROM A D RATING. 
          THEY WENT TO A B RATING AND RED ROCK HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH WAS A BI THINK WENT TO A B PLUS OR STAYED AT A HIGH B OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT THEY ARE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE AND NOT BE STUCK IN AN OLD PARADIGM DOOMSDAY YEAH, DOOMSDAY FORECASTING BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT THIS NEW ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE SOME REALLY, REALLY HAS MADE WONDERFUL CHANGES. 
          GREAT POINT, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, PETE, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST ONE, THE, THE REASON THAT I SAY THERE IS SOMETHING THERE THAT IS VALUABLE IS IN THE CURRENT TREND IS THE ONLY PLACE THAT THERE'S ANY REFERENCE TO SENIORS. 
          AND SO THE FACT THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CONNECT RIDERSHIP, RIGHT? LIKE THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE PLUSES THAT WE'VE BROUGHT TO SENIORS AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE SEEING THE CHALLENGE IS ASSISTANCE NEEDS FOR AGING POPULATION. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP FOSTER THE ABILITY FOR OUR SIGNIFICANTLY AGED SENIORS TO EITHER REMAIN IN THEIR HOMES, UM, SAFELY, ECONOMICALLY, VIABLY, ET CETERA. 
          SO THAT'S WHY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THERE IS SOME VALUE IN, YOU KNOW, IN WHAT WE'RE CALLING, YOU KNOW, CURRENT TRENDS AS FAR AS A MODEL IS CONCERNED. 
          BUT YEAH, I MEAN, OVERALL, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A SAD SITUATION. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU KNOW, MAYOR, IT'S GREAT THAT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS DOING BETTER, BUT IT'S STILL ALSO SOBERING THAT, YOU KNOW, NOW BECAUSE OF THE PERCENT OF STUDENTS THAT ARE FREE AND REDUCED LUNCH ELIGIBLE, THE WHOLE SCHOOL IS NOW A HUNDRED PERCENT ELIGIBLE. 
          I MEAN, IT SPEAKS VOLUMES TO THE SOCIOECONOMICS OF THE FAMILIES THAT ARE LEFT HERE AS WELL. 
          I MEAN, AND THERE'S, AND, AND THIS IS LIKE ANOTHER PANDORA'S BOX, HOW DO WE HELP THAT SITUATION? BECAUSE THOSE KIDS ARE OFTEN, UM, PARENTS WHO ARE ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE, UH, EMPHASIS IS NOT THERE ON EDUCATION. 
          LIKE, THERE'S, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH TO DO THAT ALL JUST INTERWEAVES IN THIS. 
          SO IT IS, IT'S ALL CONNECTED. 
          BUT UH, GOING, YOU KNOW, SEE THESE, YOUR PRESENTATION FROM THE, THE FIRST DAY ON THE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'VE CHANGED WAS REALLY COMPELLING. 
          AND I THINK WE AS COUNCIL, UNDERSTANDING THAT, TO ME IT CHANGED MY THINKING THAT WHAT 
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THE PERCENTAGES OF THE POPULATION AS IT'S CHANGED. 
          I MEAN, I LIVED HERE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, THE FIRST, ALMOST THE FIRST ONE. 
          AND I DIDN'T REALLY, THE DATA SPEAKS VOLUME, IF THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          AND, AND, AND I'M STRUCK WITH CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAVE WITH PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT, THERE'S A REAL DIVERSITY OF OPINION ABOUT SORT OF THIS CURRENT PATH WHERE THE CURRENT TRENDS ARE LEADING US, AND WHETHER THAT'S A POSITIVE LONG-TERM THING OR, OR A NEGATIVE LONG-TERM THING. 
          AND I, I THINK THAT TRYING TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE, IT'S NOT A FUTURIST, I DON'T, IT'S SOMEONE THAT CAN COME IN HERE AND REALLY LOOK AT THOSE TRENDS AND GIVE US A GOOD PREDICTION ABOUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS FROM TODAY. 
          YOU KNOW, IF THESE TRENDS ARE CONTINUING, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, I'M NOT EVEN SURE ALL OF US, BUT I THINK WE'RE CLOSER , BUT I THINK OUR COMMUNITY IS REALLY DIVERSE IN THEIR OPINION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE HEADED. 
          AND, AND I LOOK AT, YOU HAD SAID SPECIFICALLY, AND BRIAN, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, AGING POPULATION THAT IS PART OF THE TRENDS. 
          AND I THINK IT'S BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, THAT BOUGHT THEIR HOME. 
          THEY'RE RETIRED HERE NOW. 
          THEY'RE AGING IN PLACE. 
          THEY BOUGHT THEIR HOME WHEN THEY WERE YOUNGER. 
          IT WAS A LOT MORE AFFORDABLE THEN THERE PROBABLY WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, THE SAME DEMOGRAPHIC SLICE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT'S BUYING A SECOND HOME TODAY. 
          AND SO THEY'RE HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY, THEY'RE AGING IN PLACE, AND, AND IT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE, AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD A LOT OF THINGS. 
          SOME YEARS FROM TODAY, THOSE PEOPLE WON'T BE HERE. 
          THE PEOPLE WILL BE HERE IS THE PEOPLE THAT DID BUY SECOND HOMES. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT MANY OF THEM ARE GONNA RETIRE A HUNDRED PERCENT IN SEDONA. 
          THEY'RE GONNA GET RID OF THAT SECOND HOME AND GO TO SOME OTHER COMMUNITY THAT WHERE THEIR KIDS OR THEIR GRANDKIDS OR SOME, SOME, OR MEDICAL SERVICES BETTER OR, OR WHATEVER. 
          SO I, I THINK EVEN THE, THE FUTURE OF WITH THE CURRENT TRENDS JUST LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN IT DOES TODAY. 
          AND I, YEAH. 
          SO HAVING SOME CLEAR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T CHANGE THINGS MUCH, I THINK IS A REALLY USEFUL ELEMENT TO NOT ONLY, UH, TO UNDERSTANDING WHY WE WOULD CHOOSE A DIFFERENT MODEL. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND, AND I, I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          AND IT'S LIKE, NOW THAT WE KNOW WHERE THE TREND LINE IS GOING, WHAT DO WE DO TO STOP IT? IF WE WANNA STOP IT, RIGHT? WHAT PROGRAMS DO WE PUT INTO PLACE, WHICH I THINK IS WHERE YOU WERE GOING THAT WOULD ALTER THAT TREND. 
          KATHY, JUST, I'M LISTENING TO ALL OF THIS, BUT GET A LITTLE ANNOYING CONCERN ABOUT HOW MUCH DO WE THINK WE CAN CONTROL THIS? SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ORGANIC, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITIES EVOLVED, CHANGED, THEY CHANGED BACK AGAIN, THEY CHANGED TO SOMETHING YOU NEVER KNEW BEFORE. 
          I MEAN, BUT I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT WE WANT TO, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO TRY TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND UNDERSTAND THE TRENDS SO THAT WE CAN DO THAT. 
          BUT HOW MUCH DO WE WANT TO TRY? AND, I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T, I WANNA BRING WORKFORCE BACK. 
          I WANNA HAVE PEOPLE LIVE HERE. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT I'M JUST WORRIED, A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED WITH THE WAY THE CONVERSATION'S GOING WITH ABOUT HOW MUCH CONTROL WE THINK WE COULD EXERT AND SHOULD, OR SHOULD EXERT, IS ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO, GREAT QUESTION, COUNSELOR , IS THAT GONNA BE THE PHRASE OF THE DAY? GREAT QUESTION. 
          UM, I THINK THE WAY WE CAN MOST DIRECTLY CONTROL IS IF WE SAY, HEY, WE WANT, UH, WORKFORCE PLUS FAMILY, WELL, THAT MEANS WE KNOW WE NEED IT LEAST TWO BEDROOM UNITS. 
          SO AS WE PREPARE A BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE NEW TERM DE JOUR FOR OUR FUTURE HOUSING STRATEGY, WELL DONE. 
          UM, THEN WE SHOULD BE SAYING, OKAY, FOR, FOR THE PROPERTY NEXT TO BUILDERS FIRST SOURCE, YOU KNOW, X PERCENT OR X NUMBER ARE GONNA BE TWO OR THREE BEDROOM UNITS AND SUNSET AND WESTERN GATEWAY. 
          AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MOST DIRECT WAY WE CAN INFLUENCE WHERE WE GO ON THESE DIFFERENT MODELS, I THINK MM-HMM . 
          AND, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY IT CAN PENCIL OUT, RIGHT? THAT, THAT'S MY BIGGER QUESTION, IS CAN IT CAN WHAT WE WANT TO DO, PENCIL OUT, MELISSA, CHANGING CULTURES, CHANGING CULTURES AND CHANGING SOCIETIES IS THE HARDEST THING TO DO. 
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HOWEVER, IF WE STARTED AIMING TOWARDS FAMILY PLUS WORKFORCE AND WE BUILD HOUSING, AND THOSE PEOPLE SAY, I HAVE SOME PLACE TO LIVE NOW THAT I CAN AFFORD, AND I'M GONNA COME THERE, THERE WILL BE BUSINESSES THAT WILL SHIFT WHAT THEY DO TO THAT NEW MARKET. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD DAYCARE CENTERS. 
          SOMEONE WILL OPEN ONE BECAUSE THEY CAN MAKE MONEY AT IT. 
          IT'S PROFITABLE NOW. 
          RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT PROFITABLE. 
          UM, OTHER THINGS WILL, WILL HAPPEN WHERE WE SAY WE'RE MISSING ALL OF THESE THINGS. 
          IT'S A CHALLENGE. 
          THEY WILL COME AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PLEASE DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH ON THIS ONE. 
          MAYBE NAH WILL SAY, WOW, WE HAVE A LOT MORE YOUNGER PEOPLE THERE. 
          MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT A PEDIATRICIAN. 
          RIGHT? MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE OTHER KINDS OF HEALTHCARE AVAILABLE CLOSER THAN WE DO TO SAY FLAGSTAFF. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO START TO MAKE A CHANGE, AND THE CHANGE WILL COME, BUT IT WILL BE SLOW. 
          AND WE HAVE TO BE PATIENT. 
          AND WE HAVE TO ALSO REMEMBER, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING AS THE GOVERNMENT. 
          PEOPLE WILL FILL THE BANKS BECAUSE THEY CAN MAKE MONEY AT IT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA DO, IS CREATE THAT OPPORTUNITY BY GETTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE HERE SOMEHOW. 
          TONY, DO YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK BASED ON THIS DISCUSSION? WELL, FIRST, YAY. 
          UM, BECAUSE I THINK THE DISCUSSION'S EXTRAORDINARY. 
          UM, SO, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I, I WILL SAY, AND, AND I AGREE COMPLETELY, THE THE MARKET WILL DO WHAT THE MARKET DOES. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU NUDGE IT IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE DO AS GOVERNMENT, RIGHT? WE DON'T, WE DON'T TAKE EXTRAORDINARY STEPS. 
          THEY MAY FEEL EXTRAORDINARY, BUT WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS TELL THE MARKET ACT SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT AND GIVE IT THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. 
          UM, TWO THINGS TO THINK ABOUT. 
          WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FAMILY PLUS WORKFORCE, WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT WORKFORCE. 
          THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          BUT NOW WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT BRINGING IN A LEVEL OF GROUP THAT LOOKS TO STAY HERE LONG TERM WHILE THEY'RE BUILDING THEIR WEALTH TO BUILD INTO, UM, SOME, YOU KNOW, THESE OTHER HOUSES THAT THEY CURRENTLY CAN'T AFFORD. 
          SO IT'S, YOU'RE ADDING ANOTHER LEVEL TO YOUR MARKET, UM, AND DOING SO AS WELL. 
          UM, THE OTHER NICE THING ABOUT THAT, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO ADDRESS ECONOMY, BUT BY DOING THIS IN A WAY, YOU ARE, BECAUSE NOW YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE, YOU ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO EMPLOY THE SECOND PERSON IN THE HOUSEHOLD, ET CETERA. 
          SO AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR TELECOMMUTERS, ENTREPRENEURSHIP, ET CETERA. 
          UM, AND WE'LL LOOK AT OTHER AVENUES AS WELL, BUT IT FORCES US AS STAFF IN A GOOD WAY TO START THINKING OF AVENUES THERE AND WHO WE NEED TO PARTNER WITH, WITH THE CHAMBER, WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND, AND OTHERS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. 
          SO, UM, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          IT'S A HEAVIER LIFT. 
          IT'S HONESTLY A HEAVIER LIFT THAN WORKFORCE. 
          UM, BUT FROM A PROFESSIONAL PERSPECTIVE, I CAN TELL YOU, I THINK IT'S THE PLACE TO GO. 
          BUT THAT'S EASY FOR ME TO SAY BECAUSE I DON'T SIT WHERE YOU SIT. 
          CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? YEAH. 
          SO TONY, I THINK ONE PIECE THAT YOU MISSED IS YOU'RE ALSO CHANGING THE DEFINITION OF WORKFORCE. 
          SO TODAY WE SAY WORKFORCE, WE THINK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO IN THE HOSPITALITY MOSTLY. 
          UM, BUT WHEN YOU START TO TALK ABOUT REMOTE WORKERS, YOU TALK ABOUT ENTREPRENEURS, THAT'S STILL A WORKFORCE. 
          SO ALONG THE WAY, WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF THE WORKFORCE THAT LIVES IN SEDONA AND SUPPORTS SEDONA. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE NATURE, POTENTIALLY OF THE WORKFORCE. 
          I AM SORRY IF I MIGHT ADD TO THAT, THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT ALL THREE OF THESE AS TO, OKAY, IF, IF WE GO DOWN THIS PATH, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN WHEN WE GET TO FAMILY AND WORKFORCE HOUSING? UM, WE WERE VERY COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT, UM, WE NOW LOOK, NEED TO LOOK AT ECONOMIC DIVERSITY, UH, FOR THOSE JOBS. 
          UM, AND, AND WHAT WOULD, WHAT, WHAT WOULD ATTRACT, BUT NOT ONLY JUST ATTRACT, BUT KEEP SUSTAIN, UM, THIS MODEL. 
          AND SO THAT WAS A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD, NOT JUST TO CREATE, HERE'S HERE'S THE THREE OPTIONS. 
          WE NEED YOUR FEEDBACK, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, THERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, NEXT, MORE, MORE STEPS BEYOND THAT THAT WE 
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HAVE TO THINK. 
          AND YES, WE, WE WERE, UH, IN DISCUSSION ON THAT ECONOMIC DIVERSITY SECTION AS WELL. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL? DEREK, DO YOU WANNA WEIGH IN? OKAY. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          . 
          YEAH, BETTER. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE BACK TO MOBILITY, TRANSIT, AND CIRCULATION. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS ON THE LIST. 
          I KIND OF REALIZED, KURT, GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          THERE WOULD, IT PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL TO HAVE THIS SLIDE EARLIER IN THE DISCUSSION, BECAUSE SOME OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT AGO IS RELEVANT HERE. 
          WE WENT THROUGH THIS PRIOR PRIORITY AREA AND LOOKED AT FOCUS PROJECTS. 
          AGAIN, ALTERNATE PROJECTS ARE PROJECTS THAT DIDN'T MAKE, IN THIS CASE, THE TOP, TOP TWO. 
          MOST OF THOSE PROJECTS ACTUALLY ALL, UM, ARE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WE'LL BE WORKING ON REGARDLESS OF USING THIS, THIS MODEL OR NOT. 
          SO THE IDEA, AGAIN, WAS THOSE TOP TWO PROJECTS ARE PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO APPLY THE MODEL TO. 
          UM, COFFEE POT, SHARED USE PATH. 
          THAT DESIGN IS IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW. 
          LOOKING AT, UM, BRINGING IN, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNITY CHAMPIONS, COUNCIL CHAMPIONS, STAFF CHAMPION, UM, IS THE EXTRA LEVEL OF EFFORT THAT WE WOULD WANT TO APPLY TO THIS. 
          ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT IT'S IN THAT RESIDENT TO COMMERCIAL TRANSITION ZONE. 
          SO THERE'S A BIT MORE THAT GOES INTO A PROJECT LIKE THAT. 
          UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY ALREADY A CONSIDERATION FOR AMENITIES IN THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT. 
          UM, BUT WE THOUGHT THIS IS, THIS IS ONE THAT WILL BE, UM, A PROJECT THAT WOULD BE, HAVE A HIGHER LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION. 
          THEN THE WHY ADAPTIVE SIGNALS IS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO CIRCULATION IS A PROJECT THAT WOULD HAVE A, A HIGH LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          IT, IT, UH, THE EXPECTATION FOR THAT PROJECT IS THAT IT WILL HAVE A, A, A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON CONGESTION REDUCTION. 
          SO JUST VERY QUICKLY GOING THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS WE TALKED ABOUT, AND MAYBE THROWING OUT THE IDEA THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO ONLY BE TWO  WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, SHARED USE PATH AMENITIES. 
          THAT WAS ONE OF THE PROJECTS WE LOOKED AT. 
          UM, PARKING AT CITY HALL, THAT'S COME UP, UH, AS AN ISSUE QUITE A BIT LATELY. 
          UM, THEN, UH, IN OUR PARKING PROGRAM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RESIDENT PERMIT PARKING IN UPTOWN. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE CONSIDERED. 
          AND THEN TRANSIT CONNECT, WHILE THAT'S A, THAT'S A PROGRAM THAT'S IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW. 
          WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT PILOT OPTIONS. 
          LIKE RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT CHAPEL, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT NORTH OF SANBORN IN THE SPRINGTIME, AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES THERE AS WELL. 
          WE, WE PUT, UH, ROUNDABOUTS AS PLURAL, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE FOREST RANGER 89 ROUNDABOUT AND THE BREWER RANGER. 
          SO THOSE KIND OF GOT LUMPED TOGETHER IN, IN ONE CATEGORY THERE. 
          THAT WAS A NEW ACRONYM FOR US. 
          R ABS. 
          WE WERE LIKE, WE WERE ALL SCRATCHING OUR HEADS ABOUT R ABS ROUNDABOUTS. 
          THAT'S A SILLY TRAFFIC. 
          ENGINEERS LIKE TO, UH, MAKE UP ACRONYMS WHEN WE CAN. 
          SO, BUT THERE'S, WE DIDN'T GO INTO ANY FURTHER DETAIL BEYOND THAT ON, UM, THIS HERE, I THINK LATER ON I MIGHT KIND OF JUST MENTION QUICKLY, WE'LL GO INTO DETAIL ON WHAT THE MODEL LOOKS LIKE ON THE FIREWISE PROJECT IS, UM, THAT'S THE PROJECT WE SELECTED TO, TO DRILL DOWN ON. 
          SO IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ON CIRCULATION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND BEFORE WE GET INTO THE QUESTIONS, BECAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT'S ON THE REST OF THE POWERPOINT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE ROUGHLY AN HOUR BEFORE WE HAVE KATHY SENSEMAN ON THE LINE. 
          SO, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS SECTION? 
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SO YOU'RE, ANDY, JUST CLARIFICATION, YOU'RE GOING TO FURTHER IN THE PRESENTATION IS THE DRILL DOWN? YES. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT'S COMING UP REALLY SOON. 
          AND WE LOST STEVE, WHO WAS GONNA GO THROUGH THAT, RIGHT? HE MUST HAVE RAN TO THE RESTROOM. 
          WE DID BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY PRIORITY, BUT DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO GO INTO ANY DETAIL ON THAT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, WHILE WE WAIT ON, STEVE, IF THERE'S ANY DESIRE FOR DISCUSSION ON THAT SECTION, WE COULD DO THAT. 
          UM, MY TAKEAWAY YESTERDAY WAS THAT, UH, ONE OF THE COMMON, UH, COMMENTS YESTERDAY WAS THAT THIS SHOULD BE ALMOST LIKE THE VALUE THAT GOES THROUGH ALL TYPES OF THINGS, JUST LIKE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          AND ALSO THAT COUNCIL WAS LOOKING TO US TO FURTHER DEVELOP, UM, THIS TOPIC AND COME BACK TO YOU, YOU KNOW, LATER WITH SOME STRATEGIES. 
          I BELIEVE. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE YOU EXPECTED US TO COME UP WITH THE FULLY VETTED, UM, UH, PROJECT WITHIN THIS, THIS MORNING, BUT THAT WE WOULD WORK ON THAT. 
          IS THAT, YEAH, I, SO WITH WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YESTERDAY, BUT, UM, NOT A BUT, BUT IN ADDITION, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT BROADBAND AND SEEMS LIKE THERE'S PROGRESS BEING MADE IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY FOR INCREASED, UM, CONNECTIVITY, BUT NOT UNIFORMLY ACROSS THE CITY. 
          THE IT GUY ON THE SPOT . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WITH BROADBAND, UM, IT'S COMING. 
          WE'RE TALKING WITH A MAJOR, UH, COMPANY RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN DOING IT REGARDLESS OF DEED. 
          AT THE POINT WE'RE AT, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH WE CAN TALK, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS, IT, IT NEGOTIATIONS FOR WHAT? CHANGING THE MUNICIPAL CONTRACT OR DOING WHAT? UM, JUST, JUST HOW TO GO ABOUT IT. 
          UH, HOW TO GO ABOUT IT RIGHT AWAY, STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          UM, DO WE, DO WE KNOW WHAT, UH, THE PLANS ARE FOR THE VARIOUS PROVIDERS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST TO EXPAND THEIR SERVICE ACROSS THE CITY? UH, OPTIMUMS HAVE BEEN EXPANDING, BUT WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD PROVIDER THAT WANTS TO COME IN. 
          UM, THEY'RE ONE OF OUR TOP PICKS. 
          UM, THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IT. 
          I BELIEVE THEM WORKING ON AGREEMENT IT. 
          SO YOU'LL COME BACK LATER WHEN YOU YEAH. 
          YOU'RE FREER TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          BUT, UH, KURT, HOW MUCH CAN WE TALK ABOUT? AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S READY TO BRING YET. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S STILL INTEREST IN OTHER PROVIDERS AND FIBER PROVIDERS COMING TO SEE YOU WITHOUT THE YET, BUT ANY FUTURE, UH, AGREEMENT ALONG THOSE LINES WOULD COME TO COUNCIL. 
          HAVE ANY TIMEFRAME? CHUCK? UH, MY BEST GUESS FOR HER CURRENT TALKS ARE A COUPLE MONTHS. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, THEY CURRENTLY, ONE OF THE PROVIDERS IS REALLY INTERESTED IN, SO COULD WE, OKAY. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY FAR ALONG AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY IT, THIS MODEL DIDN'T APPLY BECAUSE WE'VE DONE MOST OF IT, BUT THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST ONE FOLLOW ON QUESTION. 
          IS THIS A, UH, UH, A SOLE SOURCE TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP? OR ARE WE LOOKING AT COMPETITION LIKE, LIKE IN THE, IN THE END, LIKE IT'S NOT JUST ONE. 
          IT COULD BE MORE AN RFI TO BEGIN WITH. 
          THE, THE CITY DID, UH, AN RFI TO BEGIN WITH. 
          UM, AND WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THOSE SAME ONES THAT RE SAME PROVIDERS THAT RESPONDED TO THAT. 
          UM, AND, UH, THEY'RE STILL IN, THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY, IT WAS CONDITIONED UPON GETTING BE FUNDING THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN FOR SEDONA. 
          UH, BUT THERE'S STILL TWO OF THEM THAT ARE, UH, INTERESTED AT VARYING LEVELS. 
          UH, WE'RE JUST GAUGING THEIR INTERESTS RIGHT NOW. 
          THE ONE SEEMS TO BE MORE INTERESTED THAN THE OTHER. 
          UH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY SET DETAILS YET. 
          ARE WE READY TO DIVE 
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INTO THE FIREWISE MODEL? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          KURT, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA LET STEVE TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS AND I'LL HELP AS I, AS HE NEEDS ME TO. 
          SURE. 
          . 
          SO, WELL, I GUESS, UH, IT, IT, UM, SO OUR, OUR FIREWISE MODEL WAS, UM, CHOSEN. 
          WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON IT. 
          UH, WE FELT THAT WAS THE MOST, EXCUSE ME, OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST, UH, COMMUNITY-WIDE PROJECTS THAT CAN AFFECT AND HELP, UH, ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. 
          UM, SO GOING THROUGH OUR, THE MODEL THAT WE CREATED AND SHOWED YOU EARLIER, UM, OUR FIRST STEP WOULD BE TO, UH, UM, THE STUDY, THE RESEARCH, UM, WHICH, UH, WOULD INVOLVE, UH, TRYING TO LEARN ABOUT THE INSURANCE, UH, INDUSTRY ITSELF. 
          UH, TRYING TO, UH, FIND WAYS THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THEM TO BETTER HELP OUR RESIDENTS KEEP THEIR POLICIES AND POSSIBLY KEEP, UH, IF THEY HAVE THEIR POLICIES, EVEN KEEP THEIR RATES DOWN. 
          I KNOW MINE INCREASED GREATLY. 
          UM, WE RESEARCH, UM, WHO IS OUT THERE WHO MAY HAVE CREATED THESE PROGRAMS IN THE PAST. 
          UM, UH, WE RESEARCH, UH, WHO OUR PARTNERS MIGHT BE, MAYBE NOT YET OUR CHAMPIONS, BUT OUR PARTNERS AND AND AGENCIES OUT THERE. 
          UM, AND, AND WE STUDY, UM, THE PROCESS. 
          UH, WE STUDY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING TO, UM, TO THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY AND, AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO EDUCATE THEM. 
          AND THAT'S A BIG PART OF THIS WHOLE, UH, SITUATION AND THE SENSITIVITIES OF, UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA RUN UP AGAINST. 
          AND IN THE CASE OF FIREWISE, UM, WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY SENSITIVITIES LOCALLY THAT WE MIGHT NORMALLY HAVE ON A PROJECT. 
          I THINK EVERYBODY CAN AGREE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT, SOMETHING THAT WE NEED. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THOSE SENSITIVITIES ARE GONNA GO MORE ALONG THE LINES OF THE DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, UH, AND THE INSURANCE INDUSTRIES. 
          AND RIGHT NOW WE'VE BEEN FINDING OUT THAT, UH, UH, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH INSURANCE AGENTS, UH, IN THE AREA. 
          AND I'M FINDING THE SAME THINGS THAT, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE AN ABILITY TO CHANGE THE PROCESS. 
          AND OFTENTIMES THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THE CRITERIA BY WHICH THEIR COMPANIES, UH, ARE, ARE USING TO DECIDE WHO GETS TO KEEP THEIR POLICY, WHO DOESN'T. 
          SO, UH, WHEN WE GET INTO, UH, THE NEXT STEP OF THE CHAMPIONS, UM, AND ONE OF THE CHAMPIONS WOULD BE, UH, A COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          ANOTHER CHAMPION WOULD BE A, UM, UH, UH, UH, ONE OF OUR, UH, OUR, OUR DEPUTY MANAGERS, I'M SORRY, DEPUTY CITY MANAGERS. 
          I'M JUST GETTING OVER A COLD MYSELF AND I'M STILL, UH, STILL HEAVY HEADED HERE. 
          UM, BUT WHEN WE GET INTO THAT, AND I'M SORRY, YOU DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THAT YET. 
          I KIND OF JUMPED AHEAD, BUT I'M STILL WANTING TO BE ON THAT SIDE THERE. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO COME UP WITH WAYS THAT WE CAN, UM, GET TO THE CENTER OF THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY AND, AND TRY TO WORK WITH THEM ON THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE, UM, YES, AS MUCH AS WE CAN DO, IT MAY HELP US IN A FIRE SITUATION, BUT THAT'S ONE HALF OF THE PROBLEM. 
          THE OTHER HALF OF THE PROBLEM IS MAINTAINING OUR POLICIES, MAINTAINING OUR HOUSES, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE LOSING THEIR POLICIES MAY LOSE THEIR HOUSE. 
          AND, AND SO THAT'S A, A BIG PART OF THIS AS WELL. 
          UM, AS, AS SHOWN UP, THERE'S SOME OF THE, UH, THE AGENCIES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH AS DFFM, THE DEPARTMENT OF FOREST FIRE MANAGEMENT, UM, THE USDA STUDIES THAT, THAT WE'VE USED. 
          THERE ARE, UM, UH, THERE, THERE ARE, UM, MAPS OUT THERE WHICH IDENTIFY, UH, THAT, THAT WE FEEL THAT THE INDUSTRY'S USING TO IDENTIFY RISKS OR RISK MAPS. 
          UM, UH, WE ARE GONNA BE, UH, TYING THIS TO THE BACK TO THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, UH, AND THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND UP IN, UH, THAT NICE LITTLE BOX THERE. 
          UH, UH, THE COMMUNITY PLAN, ONE OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN GOALS IS TO ESTABLISH A CITIZEN SLASH STAKEHOLDER WORK GROUP, UH, TO STRATEGIZE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FIREWISE PROGRAM IN NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT 
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THE CITY. 
          SO, UM, WE, WE REALLY FEEL THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A GROUNDSWELL OF SUPPORT, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          AND, UM, AND THROUGH THIS, THIS, UH, MODEL, UH, I, I HOPE THAT WE CAN, UH, UH, BACK THAT UP AND KEEP IT GOING. 
          UH, NEXT PLEASE, . 
          SO, UH, OUR CHAMPIONS, UM, ARE GONNA BE, UH, STARTING WITH THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. 
          AND I HAVE ALREADY BEEN OUT, UH, TALKING WITH, UH, SOME PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT, UH, HOAS, UH, AND OR, UM, SUBDIVISIONS. 
          SO WE ARE GONNA BE, UH, UH, LOOKING AT AREA SPECIFIC CHAMPIONS, RIGHT? UH, THE, WE, WE WANT TO GET THE BIGGEST BITE OUT OF THE APPLE THAT WE CAN. 
          UM, AND SO BY, BY DEALING WITH SUBDIVISION, DEALING WITH HOAS, INSTEAD OF, UH, OF COURSE, ANY, ANY, ANY, UH, HOMEOWNER THAT WANTS TO COME TO US AND, AND WANTS TO DISCUSS, UH, HOW TO ASSESS THEIR PROPERTY, ABSOLUTELY WE CAN HELP THEM. 
          BUT THE MAIN GOAL HERE IS TO, TO TRY TO GET AS MANY, UH, HOMES AS POSSIBLE AT A TIME. 
          SO WE WANNA REACH OUT TO THE SUBDIVISIONS TO, TO THE HOAS, UM, AND, UH, UH, FIND OUT WHOM WITHIN THOSE GROUPS, UH, WOULD WANT TO, UH, CHAMPION THIS, UH, WITHIN THEIR AREA. 
          UM, UH, THE LEAD ROLE ON THIS, UM, WILL PROBABLY BE MYSELF. 
          UM, BRYCE IN SUSTAINABILITY, UH, HAS ALREADY STARTED THEIR OWN KIND OF PROGRAM. 
          AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER ON, ON HOW TO MOVE BOTH OF THESE FORWARD. 
          UM, WE ARE, UH, ALSO WORKING WITH THE SEDONA FIRE DISTRICT. 
          WE'VE HAD A COUPLE MEETINGS NOW BETWEEN ALL THREE OF OUR, OUR DEPARTMENTS, UM, AND, UH, WE HAVE HAD, UH, UH, 10 OF, UH, OUR, UM, EMPLOYEES NOW, UH, CERTIFIED FOR FIREWISE ASSESSMENT. 
          SO, UM, WE ARE TRYING TO GET THAT, UH, THE BASE OF THE PROGRAM GOING RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND WE DO ON, UM, UH, SUSTAINABILITY ALREADY PUT ON A COUPLE OF, UH, OUTREACH PROGRAMS, SOME EDUCATION, AND I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO GET MORE OF THAT. 
          UH, WE TALKED AS A GROUP YESTERDAY ON, ON HOW DO WE CHANGE OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH. 
          YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE THIS STANDARD LIST OF HERE'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH. 
          WE GOT THE TWO MEETINGS HERE, WE GOT THIS. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY WORK ALL THE TIME. 
          SO, UM, MUCH OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS HOW DO WE CHANGE THAT MODEL AS WELL? AND, UM, AND SO, UH, WHEN WE DO HAVE, UH, A PROGRAM, UH, SUCH AS WHAT, YOU KNOW, JOSH'S, UH, FIND DEPARTMENT PUTS ON, UM, WE WANNA SET UP A TABLE THERE NOW, YOU KNOW, LET, LET'S GET, LET'S GET US OUT THERE TALKING, UH, WITH THE PUBLIC AND, AND, AND CREATING THIS, UM, UH, UH, UH, GREAT APPRECIATION FOR WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO BE DOING. 
          UM, LET'S NOT JUST MAKE IT, UH, UH, SO, SO, UM, OH, WHAT DO I WANNA SAY, UH, STRUCTURED. 
          UM, SO WE DO WANNA GET OUT IN THE COMMUNITY IN DIFFERENT WAYS, UH, TO, TO GET THE SUPPORT. 
          UM, AND, AND WHEN WE DO THAT, WE ALSO IDENTIFY, UH, IT HELPS TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THE BARRIERS. 
          UM, WE DON'T ALWAYS THINK OF EVERYTHING WE CAN'T. 
          AND SO THE MORE WE TALK ABOUT THE PROGRAMS, THE MORE WITH, WITH OUR RESIDENTS, UM, UH, AND, AND BUSINESSES AND OTHER PROGRAMS. UM, THE MORE WE DO THAT, THE MORE WE UNDER UNDERSTAND THE, HOW, HOW TO FORMULATE THIS PROGRAM, THE MORE, MORE WE ARE GONNA UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BARRIERS MIGHT BE AND HOW TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          UM, SO THEN, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, UH, COUNCIL CHAMPIONS. 
          AND I AM, I'M LOVING THE FACT THAT, UM, THIS, WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW ALLOWS US STAFF, UH, BETTER COMMUNICATION WITH COUNCIL. 
          AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE. 
          AND, AND, AND, UH, UM, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A GREAT THING. 
          SO HAVING, UH, UH, ONE OR TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS TO CHAMPION A PROGRAM, AND IN THIS CASE, THE FIREWISE PROGRAM TO, UM, TO GET THAT IMMEDIATE FEEDBACK, UH, IT IS AWESOME. 
          AND, AND TO, AND, AND COUNCIL HAS, UH, OTHER MEANS OF, UH, OF HELPING OUT. 
          AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. 
          UM, WHETHER IT'S THE MAYOR, MA MANAGEMENT'S COUNCIL, WHETHER IT'S, UH, UH, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, AT LEAST IN THE FIREWISE PROGRAM HERE, FOR IT TO REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE, IT HAS TO GO BEYOND THE CITY. 
          SO HAVING, UM, 
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UH, COUNCIL SUPPORT AND, AND CHAMPIONS WORKING WITH US, I THINK WILL HELP US TO SPREAD THAT OUT FURTHER AND FURTHER AND FURTHER. 
          AND HOPEFULLY AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE CAN GET THAT COMMUNICATION WITH THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY, AND THEY CAN TELL US, NO, THESE ARE OUR CONCERNS. 
          THESE ARE THE RISK FACTORS. 
          IF YOU DO THIS, YES, WE WILL AGREE, UH, THAT WILL WE PUT SEDONA IN A, IN A SMALL, IN A, IN A LOWER RISK CATEGORY? THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. 
          CAN'T DO IT AT OUR LEVEL RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, I LOVE THE FACT THAT, UH, UM, UH, WE HAVE THIS AS A PART OF, UM, OUR CURRENT MODEL. 
          UM, SO WE WANT TO, UH, UH, AND I'M, I'M SORRY, I SOME, I WENT WAY OFF SCRIPT AND I REALIZE THERE'S STUFF HERE I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, BUT, UH, UH, ALIGNING WITH COMMUNITY, UH, PRIORITIES, UM, AS MUCH AS WE, WE TRY TO DO THAT, UM, IT IS YOU, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE OFTEN GETTING THE FEEDBACK, AND THEN WE HEAR IT THROUGH YOU. 
          SO TO HAVE A A, A COUNCIL MEMBER TOO, UH, AS A PART OF THIS PROGRAM, UH, OFTENTIMES WE WILL GET THAT FEEDBACK QUICKER, UM, AND, UH, HELP SUPPORT, UH, GAINING SUPPORT, UH, AND GAINING RESOURCES. 
          UM, I'M NOT GONNA KEEP READING EVERYTHING UP THERE. 
          UM, BUT, UH, UH, THE THIRD IS OUR STAFF CHAMPIONS. 
          AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, AND THAT'S OUR D DCMS. UH, UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IS, IS, UH, UH, HAVE A DCM BE A PART OF EACH OF OUR MAJOR PROGRAMS HERE THAT WE'RE RUNNING THROUGH THIS MODEL. 
          UM, AND, UH, UH, THAT WILL HELP US, UH, COORDINATE, UH, EXCUSE ME, UH, WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS IN, IN, IN DEVELOPING THE PLANS, UM, AND ALSO, UH, HELP WITH THE COMMUNICATION PROCESS, UH, WHICH I THINK, UH, UH, HAVING OUR, OUR NEW COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER COMING ON BOARD IS GONNA BE A GREAT HELP IN ANY OF THESE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THROUGH. 
          SO, UM, NEXT, UH, NEXT SLIDE. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          I THINK IT MIGHT HELP TO JUST CLARIFY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DEVELOPING PLANS AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, WE IDENTIFIED OUR, UM, PUBLIC OUTREACH PLAN, OUR ENGAGEMENT PLAN, OUR COMMUNICATION PLAN. 
          THOSE ARE KEY ELEMENTS, BUT YOU MIGHT SEE THAT MIXED IN HERE, UH, PERIODICALLY. 
          UH, A REFERENCE TO PLANS, JUST GENERALLY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S REFERRING TO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND READY FOR QUESTIONS, OR YOU WANT TO HAVE MORE. 
          UM, YEAH, I, I'M FINE WITH THE QUESTIONS AS WE GO. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UH, LET'S SEE. 
          UH, , I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW ENTHUSIASTIC I AM ABOUT THIS. 
          I, I, I REALLY THINK THAT YOU, YOU'VE PUT TOGETHER A GREAT THING. 
          I THINK YOU'VE GRABBED A GREAT TOPIC THAT I THINK OUR COMMUNITY COULD GET BEHIND AS WELL. 
          UH, I'M SUPER ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS, SO THANK YOU FOR THE, THE EFFORT, THE THINKING THAT YOU ALL PUT IN AS A TEAM TO THIS PROJECT. 
          I'M GONNA DO A YES AND WITH YOU MM-HMM . 
          AND ASK A QUESTION. 
          BUT OF COURSE, WHEN I DO THESE THINGS, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE ALREADY THOUGHT ABOUT IT. 
          SO, AND MAYBE YOU JUST DIDN'T SAY IT. 
          I SURE HOPE I DID  , OR MAYBE THERE'S A GOOD REASON WHY YOU DIDN'T DO IT. 
          BUT I THINK, AND MY, AND IS, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THIS BIG PLAN AND, AND MOVING FORWARD, AND I'M SURE THAT THERE'S ELEMENTS THAT WILL BE DELIVERED BEFORE THE WHOLE PLAN IS READY. 
          BUT THAT'S WHAT I WANNA ENCOURAGE US THINKING ABOUT MINIMUM VIABLE PRODUCTS, THE SILICON VALLEY MIGHT WANNA SAY, OR WE LOOK AT THE, UM, AND WHAT'S IN MY MIND IS THAT WE'VE GOT 10 OF US NOW, UM, READY TO GO OUT AND, AND DO SOME OF THESE ANALYSIS, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT. 
          LET'S GET 'EM OUT THERE. 
          LET'S, UH, SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT, JOINING THE FIRE TEAM THAT, THAT DOES THE, THE FIREWISE INSPECTIONS. 
          UM, UH, AND THEN MY, MY END IS, I, I THINK ABOUT THE FIX THE CLINIC OR THE VERDE VALLEY CYCLIST FOLKS THAT GET OUT AND DO THE TRAIL MAINTENANCE OR, AND TRAIL BUILDING, THAT WE ALSO THINK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY PERHAPS COMING TOGETHER TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THE FIREWISE THINGS, RIGHT? THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT MIGHT GET THE INSPECTIONS THAT REALLY SHOULDN'T GO UP ON THE ROOF TO PUT THE SCREENS OVER THE WHATEVER, TO ELIMINATE, TO REDUCE THE FIRE POTENTIAL. 
          AND, AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY COULD GET BEHIND BEING THE PEOPLE THAT DELIVER THE SERVICES FOR CHOPPING SOME OF THE BRANCHES AND HAULING AWAY DEBRIS. 
          BUT MY, AND IS THAT WE ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT DOES STRONG TOWNS FOLKS SAY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, START AT, 
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START SMALL, START WITH SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO AND ACTUALLY START BUILDING IT WHILE YOU'RE DOING THE REST OF THE THINKING ABOUT THE WHOLE BIG PLAN AND STRATEGY. 
          AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO, TO DO THAT HERE. 
          'CAUSE I, I DO THINK IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THESE FIREWISE INSPECTION THINGS, THEY'RE PRETTY EASY. 
          MAYBE NOT FOR ALL OF THE, ALL OF US IN THE COMMUNITY TO DO IT, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY THE RESOURCES IN THE COMMUNITY TO IMPLEMENT THE ACTIONS REQUIRED FOR US TO SAFEGUARD OUR HOMES AND THE REST OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO, THANK YOU. 
          THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          UM, WE CAN, WE CAN PLAN IT TO DEATH, RIGHT? BUT THERE'S A, A GREAT NEED AND WE NEED TO GET OUT THERE AND START THE PROCESS, AND WE'RE GONNA LEARN AS WE, AS WE GO, UH, ON WHAT ELSE WE NEED. 
          AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA LEARN HOW TO BETTER INTEGRATE THESE IN OTHER THINGS. 
          UM, WHAT WE'VE ALSO HAVE IN THE BACK OF OUR POCKETS NOW IS INTEGRATING, UH, INTO THE PROGRAMS IN THE FUTURE, UM, IS, IS, UH, SANDY'S IN PUBLIC WORKS PROGRAM, UH, AND, AND, UH, SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM OF, UM, THE INVASIVE SPECIES. 
          UM, THAT, UH, AND THEN WE, WE HAVE OUR, OUR OWN SEPARATE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE GONNA BRING BRINGING FORTH AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS OF A TREE REMOVAL PROGRAM, UH, HELP, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO, UM, WE'RE ALREADY THINKING IN THE FUTURE OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING ALL THESE TOGETHER. 
          BUT YES, LET'S, LET'S GET STARTED ON, ON THIS FIREWISE PROCESS AND SEE WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO TO HELP AND, AND, AND WHERE THIS IS GONNA TAKE US. 
          AND WE ALSO THINK THAT AS WE'RE WORKING WITH THE SUBDIVISIONS, UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE OUR CHAMPIONS FOR OTHER SUBDIVISIONS. 
          AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST GONNA HOPEFULLY BE THIS, THIS CONTINUATION OF, UH, GROWTH, UH, IN THIS AREA. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          SO MY, YES. 
          AND BACK TO US NUMBER TWO, KURT. 
          I, YES. 
          AND IT'S GREAT. 
          YOU'RE EXCITED ABOUT COUNCIL CHAMPIONS, BUT IT'S QUITE IRONIC THAT WE JUST FINISHED UPDATING COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ENGAGING IN UNILATERAL DECISION MAKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO WE NEED TO BE SELF-AWARE, AND YOU ALL NEED TO BE READY TO CALL US OUT IF IN OUR ROLE AS CHAMPIONS ON WHATEVER THE PARTICULAR PROJECT OR INITIATIVE IS THAT WE'RE SHARING OUR OPINION, WHAT WE MAYBE THINK COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE TO SAY, BUT THAT WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO BE PROVIDING ACTUAL DIRECTION. 
          SO JUST SOMETHING FOR US ALL TO BE AWARE OF. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PETE, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE START SMALL, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE JUST ON FIREWISE, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING@SEDONAAZ.GOV ABOUT A BUTTON ON THERE UNTIL WE REDESIGN THE WEBSITE WITH OUR NEW COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER WHO'S STARTING A MONDAY THAT WE CAN'T WAIT FOR. 
          UM, THE LIST IS WRONG. 
          , HOW ABOUT A BUTTON THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, FIREWISE, RIGHT? SURE. 
          SO, SURE. 
          EASY WAY TO GET STARTED SMALL IS, IS MAKE IT EASY FOR FOLKS TO FIND THE 10 PEOPLE ON STAFF THAT ARE ALREADY TRAINED, WHICH IS AWESOME, BY THE WAY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, WHEN YOU START THIS, YOU KNOW, PUBLICIZE IT, AND IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS START SAYING, WELL, WHY AREN'T WE GETTING THAT? MM-HMM . 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THEN YOU CAN SAY, WELL, NOW THAT YOU MENTION IT, YOU KNOW, START WITH AN HOA, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW WHO IS WITHIN THEIR LITTLE SUBDIVISION. 
          UM, HOPEFULLY GET THE NEWSPAPER INVOLVED IN INFORMING PEOPLE. 
          BUT I THINK HUMAN NATURE IS, OTHER PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANT IT. 
          AND THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD WAY TO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S ONE OF MY FEARS, UM, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO START SMALL WITH ONE OR TWO SUBDIVISIONS, BUT WE'RE NOT QUITE READY YET. 
          WE'RE ALMOST THERE TO START THE PROGRAM. 
          BUT THROUGH THIS AND THROUGH, UH, OUR, OUR CURRENT DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, SOME OF THE SUBDIVISIONS, UM, YEAH, MY WORRY IS THAT WE MIGHT GET INUNDATED, RIGHT? AND, AND NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES YET TO, TO HELP EVERYBODY. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S A GOOD PROBLEM. 
          UM, WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT PROBLEM. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          , THAT'S A GOOD PROBLEM. 
          UH, AND, AND, UH, COUNCIL COUNCILLOR FOLTZ, UM, I DO WANNA SAY THAT THAT WAS A DISCUSSION YESTERDAY THAT WE HAD, THAT IT IS GREAT, UM, THAT WE'D BE WORKING WITH, UH, ONE OR TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT JUST MEANS YOU'RE STILL WORKING WITH, WITH US. 
          UM, AND THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER GOING BACK AND GETTING THE 
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COLLECTIVE THOUGHTS OF COUNCIL AND BRINGING IT BACK TO US. 
          'CAUSE THAT CAN'T HAPPEN, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          SO I WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. 
          I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS AS WELL, AND YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT SIX MONTHS AGO, I THINK. 
          SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU'VE ADVANCED IT. 
          UH, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TO ME, LIKE WHILE WE'RE GETTING THESE PEOPLE, THEY SHOULD KNOW WHAT THEIR ZONE IS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE INCORPORATE THOSE, UH, PROGRAMS WE ALREADY HAVE IN ANYTHING WE DO THAT RELATES TO, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGER PICTURE. 
          AND THEN, THANK YOU. 
          YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'M REALLY STUCK IN THIS FROM, FROM BEFORE WITH THIS PROJECT. 
          SO I WAS THINKING MAYBE IF WE CALL THESE INITIATIVES, NOT PROJECTS, THEY WOULD FEEL BIGGER, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD FEEL DIFFERENT, UH, AND THEY COULD BE WITHIN A PRIORITY. 
          THESE ARE THE INITIATIVES WE'RE DOING TO ESTABLISH THOSE PRIORITIES. 
          I DUNNO, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. 
          GOOD POINTS. 
          I KNOW YOU'RE NOT TELLING, YOU HAVE MORE SLIDES, BUT APPARENTLY WE'RE COMMENTING NOW. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          SO, UM, SO FIRST, UM, TO BRIAN'S POINT, MAKING IT THERE FOR PEOPLE, I'D PUT IT ON THE HOMEPAGE. 
          SOON AS SOMEONE COMES TO CITY OF SEDONA, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE TALKS ABOUT COMMUNITY INITIATIVES OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY CAN JUST SAY, OH, WHAT'S THAT? OR EASILY FIND IT. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I'M PRETTY GOOD WITH COMPUTERS AND SEARCH ENGINES, AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, I HAVE A HARD TIME USING OUR WEBSITE. 
          SO, UM, AND FINDING WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. 
          SO JUST, I WOULD SAY MAKE IT IS, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT REALLY SIMPLE AND STUPID SO THAT IT'S REALLY EASY FOR US ALL TO FIND, ALL OF US TO FIND. 
          SO THAT WAS NUMBER ONE. 
          AND UM, NUMBER TWO, I SEEM TO REMEMBER THAT AT ONE POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHO ON STAFF WITH THE FIRE CHIEF CAME, AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT FIREWISE AND THEY'D GONE UP TO UPTOWN AND EVERYBODY WAS REALLY INTERESTED, AND THEY ALL CAME FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY SHOWED THEM WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO. 
          AND THEN THEY SAID, WELL, HELL NO, I'M NOT TAKING DOWN THAT TREE BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT TREE, MY HOUSE ISN'T SHADED. 
          RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE THIS CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR THESE PEOPLE, TREE REMOVAL PROGRAM OR NOT. 
          IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COST. 
          IT HAS TO DO WITH PERCEPTION AND EMOTION AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THE PROPERTY IN THEIR HOUSE. 
          SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE AWARE THE FACT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CONVINCE EVERYONE TO DO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY. 
          UM, AND THAT SHOULD BE OKAY. 
          I MEAN, WE, WE, WE SHOULDN'T BE TRYING TO FORCE PEOPLE TO DO THINGS THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IN THE NAME OF FIREWISE. 
          SO I'M JUST WANT PUT THAT OUT THERE. 
          WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE HELPING PEOPLE, IT RE BRINGS TO MIND FRIENDS OF THE FOREST, UM, AND FRIENDS OF THE FOREST, RIGHT? WE'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS. 
          AND THEN THE FOREST SERVICE DIRECTS US TO GO FIX TRAILS OR REMOVE GRAFFITI OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. 
          MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE A FRIENDS OF SEDONA, UM, PEOPLE WHO WANNA VOLUNTEER TO HELP ON THESE INITIATIVES, TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY DO THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY ABLE TO DO THEMSELVES. 
          SO, UM, NOT THE RANGERS, IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT THING. 
          THIS IS ABOUT US. 
          IT'S NOT ABOUT TOURISM. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S JUST REALLY SOMETHING FOR YOU GUYS TO THINK ABOUT. 
          UM, ALSO, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TALK TO THE INSURANCE COMPANIES AND YOU FIND OUT IT ISN'T FIREWISE. 
          I'VE DONE FIREWISE. 
          I HAVE SEVERAL NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE DONE FIREWISE, AND WHILE I'VE BEEN PRETTY LUCKY, MY INSURANCE HAS ONLY DOUBLED IN THE LAST YEAR. 
          UM, PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR INSURANCE, UM, AND HAD TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          AND WHEN THEY WENT AND THEY SAID, WHY DID WE LOSE OUR INSURANCE? WE'VE JUST DONE FIREWISE. 
          I HAVE A LETTER FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          WHAT'S GOING ON? THEY'VE BEEN TOLD, IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE ON OUR SUBDIVISION, IT'S OLD OR OLDER, AND, UH, THERE'S ONLY ONE POINT OF INGRESS AND EGRESS. 
          THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN AND OUT ONE ROAD. 
          AND THEY SAID, THAT'S NOT SUPPORTABLE. 
          YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT ONE ROAD WHILE THE FIRE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN ANOTHER ROAD. 
          UM, THIS MIGHT EXPAND BEYOND JUST TREE TRIMMING AND BUSH REMOVING. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA HANDLE IT. 
          I'M JUST THROWING OUT, AS YOU START TO COLLECT WHAT INSURANCE MAY OR MAY NOT TELL YOU THE REASON IS WHY THEY'RE DOING IT, BUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE TOLD WHY THEY'RE LOSING THEIR INSURANCE OR WHY THEIR INSURANCE IS DOUBLING, THIS MIGHT EXPAND. 
          AND YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA HANDLE THAT EXPANSION. 
          THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UM, A LOT OF GOOD POINTS. 
          UM, SO EDUCATE, 
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MAYBE I'LL WORK BACKWARDS ON YOUR LAST POINT THERE. 
          WE'VE ALREADY RUN INTO THAT, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT I TRIED BRINGING UP BEFORE IS THAT, UM, YES, WE HAVE A PROGRAM, WE HAVE A MODEL, UM, FIREWISE, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A NATIONWIDE PROGRAM, RIGHT? IT, IT'S, UM, AND EXCUSE ME. 
          UM, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN SEEING, AND THAT'S WHY I SAID WE, WE CAN'T DO THIS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. 
          UM, WHAT WE'RE ALREADY SEEING IS THAT FIREWISE IS GOOD, RIGHT? IT IT, AND, AND IT'S BEEN PROVEN TO HELP SAVE HOMES IN A WILDFIRE. 
          BUT THE INSURANCE AGENTS, I'M SORRY, THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY HAS THEIR OWN CRITERIA, AND MANY TIMES IT GOES BEYOND THAT. 
          AND IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, A A LONG INVOLVED PROCESS OF TRYING TO GET TO THE CENTER OF THAT. 
          UM, BUT WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, WE'RE STILL DOING GOOD FOR THE CITY IF WE'RE CREATING THESE FIREWISE COMMUNITIES WITHIN OUR SUBDIVISIONS, BECAUSE WE DO KNOW THAT IT'S A PROVEN PROCESS THAT IF YOU MEET THIS, THE, THE FIREWISE CRITERIA, THAT IT GIVES YOU A MUCH, MUCH, MUCH BETTER CHANCE OF SURVIVING WITHIN A WILDFIRE SITUATION. 
          SO WE STILL HAVE THE PRACTICAL SENSE OF, UM, IF, IF YOU DO THIS TO YOUR PROPERTY, YOU'RE PUTTING YOURSELF IN A MUCH BETTER SITUATION THAN YOU WERE BEFORE. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE THE ISSUE OF, OF, OF YOUR INSURANCE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THAT PART IS GONNA BE THE TOUGHEST PART OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS. 
          UM, TO YOUR FIRST POINT, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WILL SAY, I DON'T WANT TO GET RID OF THAT TREE. 
          AND WHAT THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND IS, IN MOST CASES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET RID OF THAT TREE. 
          SO THE EDUCATION IS A BIG PART OF THIS. 
          IT'S NOT CLEAR CUTTING YOUR, YOUR LOT. 
          IT'S NOT EVEN REMOVING TREES WITHIN 30 FEET OF YOUR HOUSE. 
          SO, UM, IT'S MORE ABOUT CUTTING THE BRANCHES THAT ARE WITHIN SIX TO SEVEN FEET OF GRADE. 
          IT'S GETTING RID OF THE FUELS THAT ARE ON THE GROUND THAT MIGHT IGNITE AND THEN GO UP TO THE TREES. 
          IT'S GETTING RID OF THE FUELS AGAINST YOUR HOUSE AND IN, IN, IN YOUR EAVES AND WHATNOT. 
          ANYWAY, I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD THERE, BUT YES, THERE, THERE ARE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT WON'T WANT TO DO THIS, UM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. 
          BUT YES, THERE WILL ALSO BE SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANNA DO THIS PERIOD. 
          AND IT IS A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM. 
          AND, AND THAT'S WHERE, UM, GET GETTING THAT EDUCATION PIECE OUT THERE AND, AND HELPING, UM, HAVING THESE OTHERS, OTHER GROUPS HELP US DO THAT. 
          UM, IS KEY, IS KEY. 
          BECAUSE, UH, WE ALSO HAVE HEARD FROM SOME, I'M SORRY, WE ALSO HAVE HEARD FROM SOME, UH, UH, INSURANCE AGENTS AND, AND THEY WERE VERY, UH, NICE, UH, SOMETIMES IN, IN SHOWING US CASES, UM, WHERE, UH, AND, AND BY THE WAY, WE HAD A RESIDENT SHOW US SOMETHING FROM THEIR INSURANCE COMPANY THAT SAID, BASICALLY THEY HAD TO CLEAR CUT THEIR LOT. 
          IF THEY WANTED TO KEEP THEIR, THEIR POLICY, IT'S, WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET IT A HUNDRED PERCENT HERE. 
          UM, OKAY, PETE, I NEED TO TIME CHECK WITH YOU. 
          HOW MANY THOUGHT, I'M SORRY. 
          UH, A A COUPLE MORE. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE PETE, REAL, REAL QUICK. 
          UH, YEAH, GREAT QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, GREAT RESPONSES. 
          THIS REALLY IS ABOUT RESILIENCY. 
          IT'S NOT ABOUT INSURANCE RATES. 
          THAT WOULD BE A GREAT BONUS, BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT. 
          IT'S ABOUT RESILIENCY TO SOME NATURAL DISASTER THAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE LOOMING. 
          UM, WHAT I WANTED TO REALLY SAY WAS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUTREACH, UH, AND, AND WE'VE DONE IT IN A FEW DIFFERENT SPOTS, AND WE DO IT OVER TIME TOO, ABOUT GOING OUT TO OUR HOAS RIGHT, OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          AND TO ME, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          AND, AND THE WORK THAT LA SPRINGS DID WITH THE WATER METERS THING WAS JUST ABSOLUTELY AWESOME. 
          BUT I ALSO THINK OFTEN ABOUT THAT, MANY TIMES THE HOAS ARE PROBABLY THE BETTER ORGANIZED COMMUNITIES THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN. 
          AND THERE'S ELEMENTS, THERE'S, THERE'S SWATHS OF LAND IN TOWN THAT AREN'T REALLY COVERED BY HOAS OR ACTIVE HOAS, AND PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THE HOA THING. 
          AND SO I THINK REALLY WE SHOULD JUST PROACTIVELY PICK A COMMUNITY, A SE, A BLOCK OR WHATEVER IT IS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND GET OUT THERE AND KNOCK ON DOORS AND SAY, 
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HEY, WE'RE DOING THIS. 
          DO YOU WANT, RIGHT? SO IT'S, WE, WE, WE CAN DRIVE SOME OF THIS TOO. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SHOULD DO BOTH. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, CONTINUE ON WITH THE MODEL HERE. 
          UH, THE THIRD PART IS THAT WHY, UM, AND, AND, AND, UH, BASICALLY CREATING THAT STORY, UH, OF WHY WE'RE DOING THIS. 
          UM, IN THIS CASE, UH, IT'S AN EASY WHY. 
          UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALREADY. 
          THE LOSS OF INSURANCE, THE LOSS OF HOMES, UM, LOSS OF HOMES THROUGH INSURANCE AND THROUGH FIRE. 
          AND SO THE RISK OF DAMAGE. 
          UM, SO IN THIS CASE, UH, THE STORY AND, AND WHAT WE WANT TO TELL PEOPLE AS TO WHY WE WANT THEM TO BE ON BOARD, UH, IN THIS CASE IS AN EASY ONE. 
          BUT, UH, IN OUR MODEL, THAT WHY, IN CREATING THAT WHY IS, IS, IS, UH, IS THAT THIRD PORTION, BUT THE ONE AND TWO HELPS US CREATE THREE. 
          SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MOVE ON HERE. 
          'CAUSE THAT, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S, THAT'S READY AND EASY. 
          UH, KURT, IF YOU THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO THEN, UH, WE START THAT ENGAGEMENT PROCESS AND, UH, WE USE OUR CHAMPIONS TO HELP SUPPORT AND, AND WE GET OUT, UH, UH, IN THIS CASE, UH, THAT WAS A VERY GOOD SUGGESTION THAT, UH, HEY, LET'S, LET'S JUST GO DOOR TO DOOR OR, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, LET IT, LET'S, LET'S PICK, UH, I DON'T THINK I'M, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PICK, HONESTLY. 
          I THINK THAT, UH, UM, ONCE THIS PROGRAM STARTS ROWING, UM, EVERYBODY IS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. 
          SO, UH, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, ENOUGH, UH, PEOPLE COMING TO US SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, PUT US ON THE LIST. 
          UM, BUT EVEN SO, THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN GET OUT THERE AND GARNER THAT SUPPORT, UH, UH, WHETHER IT'S THIS PROJECT OR OTHER PROJECTS. 
          UM, IT COULD BE DOOR TO DOOR, IT COULD BE SETTING UP TABLES AT, AT CITY EVENTS. 
          IT COULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE LIBRARY AND HAVING, HAVING INFORMATION THERE, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT MORE OUTLETS, UH, TO, TO EDUCATE AND INFORM. 
          UM, AND SO WE, WE GET TO OUR OUTREACH PLAN OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT, THE COMMUNICATIONS, UM, UH, UH, OBJECTIVES PLAN. 
          SO WE, WE WANT TO HAVE THAT IN PLACE, UH, AND KNOW, UH, UH, WHAT OUR MESSAGE IS GONNA BE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG PART OF IT AS WELL. 
          IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THESE AVENUES AND, AND NEW THOUGHTS ON HOW TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT THERE, BUT YOUR MESSAGE HAS TO BE PROPER AS WELL. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT GUTS DOWN TO YOUR NEXT, UH, YOU SEE, I WASN'T EVEN LOOKING AT THE BOARD, IT'S JUST IN MY MIND AND, AND IT'S ACTUALLY GOING DOWN. 
          UM, SO THE KEY MESSAGE IS IN TALKING POINTS AND THEN, UH, UH, HAVING A PUBLIC PARTICIPATION STRATEGY AND WHICH WOULD INCLUDE OUR STAKEHOLDERS, UM, IN THIS CASE, UH, AGAIN, THAT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, , WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, UM, ABOUT, UH, UM, EITHER GOING OUT TO THESE, UH, HOAS OR SUBDIVISIONS THAT, THAT WE KNOW ARE, UH, HAVE A, A, A, A GOOD, UM, UH, UH, MEMBERSHIP OR, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THEY ARE, GOSH, I'M SORRY, I'M, THEY'RE ORGANIZED, THEY'RE ORGANIZED. 
          THAT, THAT OLD WORD I COULDN'T THINK OF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO, UM, BUT THESE ARE ALL KEY COMPONENTS OF THAT ENGAGEMENT PLAN. 
          AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS WANT TO HAVE A GOAL, UM, AND ANDY TALKED, UH, PRIOR ABOUT CELEBRATING THOSE WINS. 
          I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE INTERMEDIATE GOALS THAT WE CAN CELEBRATE, UM, WHETHER IT'S THIS PROJECT OR ANYONE ELSE, ANY OTHER PROJECT THAT, UH, UM, BY, SO BY, BY SETTING THOSE GOALS, MEETING THOSE GOALS, CELEBRATING IT KEEPS THAT MOMENTUM GOING. 
          UM, AND IN THIS CASE, UM, OUR GOAL IS TO, UH, UH, HAVE, UH, TWO NEIGHBORHOODS CERTIFIED AS FIREWISE COMMUNITIES BY THE END OF THE FI THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          UM, IF THIS GETS GOING, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A, A LOW NUMBER. 
          I'M HOPING IT'S GONNA BE A LOW NUMBER, BUT THAT'S OUR GOAL FOR NOW. 
          UM, ANOTHER GOAL IS ONCE WE, WE GET THAT THOSE COMMUNITIES CERTIFIED, THAT WE SUSTAIN THE PROCESS AND WE, AND PERHAPS THOSE COMMUNITIES WILL HELP US SUSTAIN THAT PROCESS TO GET OTHER COMMUNITIES INVOLVED. 
          UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS A GOAL IS, IS THE POTENTIAL INSURANCE RISK REDUCTION. 
          UM, UH, BUT, UH, AS COUNCIL, COUNCIL, 
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FURMAN SAID, THE LAST GOAL HERE REALLY IS OUR ATTAINABLE GOAL. 
          UM, AND THAT IS RESILIENT NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO AS MUCH AS WE'RE GONNA TRY WORKING ON THE INSURANCE SIDE OF THINGS, UM, THE, THE, THE TRULY ATTAINABLE PIECE, I THINK IS THAT, IS THAT RE RESILIENCE NEIGHBORHOODS, JUST REALLY QUICKLY, YOU TALKED ABOUT TWO NEIGHBORHOODS CERTIFIED AS FIREWISE, AND, UM, MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF STR WE ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF THE OWNER. 
          UM, AND YOU ALSO HAVE A LOT OF PART-TIME RESIDENTS, SECOND, THIRD HOMES WHERE THEY MAY NOT BE THERE AND YOU CERTAINLY CAN'T ASK THE OTHER NEIGHBORS TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF. 
          SO THIS ISN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, RIGHT? SO DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEA YET, LIKE 50% OR A HUNDRED OR 80% OR, UM, SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          UM, WHETHER IT'S THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES OR WHETHER IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT JUST SAY, I LIKE MY LANDSCAPE THE WAY IT IS, UM, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET A HUNDRED PERCENT IN EACH NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THAT IS NOT, UH, THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS DOES NOT REQUIRE A HUNDRED PERCENT, HONESTLY. 
          UM, I CAN'T TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE IS, UH, THE, UH, TO BE CERTIFIED AS A, UH, FIREWISE COMMUNITY, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE DONE THROUGH THE DFFM, THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF, UH, FOREST FIRE MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, SO THERE IS A, A PERCENTAGE, UM, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MEET. 
          SO, UM, SO WE ALREADY HAVE ONE, RIGHT? SOMEWHERE IN THE COFFEE POT AREA. 
          THERE IS A COMMUNITY THAT, A SUBDIVISION THAT IS ALREADY FIREWISE CERTIFIED, IF I RECALL. 
          THERE IS, YES. 
          SO THEY COULD HELP YOU TOO, PERHAPS? ABSOLUTELY, YES, YES. 
          THANK YOU, STEVE. 
          GO FORTH AND CONQUER. 
          OKAY. 
          IT IS EXCITING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, WE TALKED ABOUT CELEBRATION ALREADY, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANNA HIGHLIGHT? UM, IT'S ABOUT, I, I THINK THAT, UH, WE DID BASICALLY TOUCH UPON THIS AND, AND, UM, THAT, UM, THAT THAT CELEBRATION PIECE, ONCE WE MEET OUR GOALS, UM, IT HELPS US, UM, IN QUITE A FEW WAYS. 
          UM, IT, IT HELPS US IDENTIFY THAT THAT PROCESS WAS CORRECT. 
          IT HELPS US IDENTIFY, UM, UH, THAT, UH, UH, NOT IDENTIFY, I'M SORRY, BUT IT BRINGS A COMMUNITY TOGETHER. 
          UM, THERE IS A COMMON GOAL THAT IF WE CAN GO OUT THERE AND MEET, UH, AND THE COMMUNITY WAS OUR PARTNERS IN DOING THAT, IT, AND WE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY EARLIER. 
          AND, UM, THIS TRULY IS ONE OF THOSE, UH, NOT PROGRAMS, WHAT WAS THE WORD WE WERE USING? INITIATIVES. 
          INITIATIVES, SORRY, , THAT, UH, UM, THAT, THAT TRULY, UH, I THINK WILL BE ABLE TO GET US A LOT CLOSER TO THAT GOAL OF, OF COMMUNITY AND, AND BRINGING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. 
          UM, AND UH, UM, IT WILL ALLOW US TO KEEP THIS INITIATIVE ROLLING, ADD THIS ON. 
          SO I THINK WE CAN WRAP UP THIS PORTION AND JUST, UM, LET THE COUNCIL KNOW THAT BY DEVELOPING THIS FRAMEWORK FOR HOW WE'RE GONNA APPROACH THESE INITIATIVES AND THE FIREWISE IS SUCH A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW IT CAN COME TOGETHER, UM, AND WE CAN APPLY THAT TO OTHER MAJOR PRIORITIES. 
          UM, WAS THERE ANOTHER PIECE? I MEAN, WE WOULD BRING FORWARD, UM, MY PLAN IS TO BRING FORWARD TO SOME KIND OF WRITTEN DOCUMENT THAT TRIES TO CAPTURE ALL OF THE HIGH LEVEL, UM, FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL AND HOW, WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU WILL SEE ANY POTENTIAL SHIFTS OR BUDGET REQUESTS, YOU KNOW, IN THE BUDGET PROCESS TO IMPLEMENT. 
          SO, UM, AND I'M REALLY GRATEFUL TO THE TEAM FOR SPENDING YESTERDAY AFTERNOON TO HAMMER OUT LIKE A LOT OF DETAIL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, IT IS A LOT OF WORK, SO, AND MAYBE IT JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE PEEK UNDER THE COVER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS INVOLVED TO IMPLEMENT ANY ONE PARTICULAR INITIATIVE. 
          SO I PARTICULARLY LIKE THE CROSS COLLABORATION BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND REALLY EXCITED FOR ALL OF IT TO START HAPPENING. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE SOME FINAL THOUGHTS, SANDY, FOR ANYBODY THAT WAS 
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ON THE TEAM? I THINK WE COVERED IT. 
          UH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE NEED TO ADD OR ADJUST OR COME BACK WITH, WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT. 
          BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, COUNSEL? OR YOU COULD TAKE A BREAK. 
          WE HAVE, UM, KATHY SENSEMAN SCHEDULED AT 10 30 TO JOIN YOU TO TALK LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES AND KIND OF SHIFT TO THAT LAST BIG, UH, TOPIC. 
          I THINK WE DEFINITELY WANNA TAKE A BREAK, BUT I'M GONNA ASK YOU A QUESTION WE HAVE, UH, FOR THE, UH, ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CHAMPIONS, SEE WHERE THAT IS. 
          ARE WE READY TO DO THAT? UH, COUNCIL CHAMPION ASSIGNMENTS FOR COURT PRIORITIES? MM-HMM . 
          ARE WE, ARE WE READY TO DO THAT OR DO WE, I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION AMONGST YOURSELVES. 
          I MEAN, WE'D BE HAPPY TO HEAR, UM, FROM YOU IF YOU ARE READY TO, UM, TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          SO WE HAVE THE, UM, PRIORITY, THE COMMUNITY PRIORITY, WHICH I TOOK SOME NOTES AROUND, UM, THIS HIGHER LEVEL UMBRELLA OF WHAT YOU WOULD BE SIGNING UP FOR AS A COUNCIL CHAMPION FOR THE COMMUNITY PRIORITY. 
          AND THAT'S AROUND, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS, AMENITIES, WHATEVER THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, AND WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY, UM, PRIORITY BUCKET, THE FIREWISE PRO INITIATIVE FALLS WITHIN THAT. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE THE HOUSING AREA THAT TONY, UM, ALREADY TALKED TO ABOUT. 
          SO WE ARE DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN THE CHAMPIONS FOR THAT. 
          WE DIDN'T SPEND AS MUCH TIME ON CIRCULATION, BUT WHOEVER'S INTERESTED IN TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, AND THOSE WERE THE THREE. 
          SO MAYOR, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          OR IF YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME ON WHAT MORE OF THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. 
          SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS NOT GO TO PETE. 
          UH, ARE WE LOOKING FOR CHAMPIONS AT THE, AT THE PRIORITY LEVEL OR AT THE INITIATIVE LEVEL, OR BOTH? I WOULD SAY BOTH. 
          BECAUSE ONE OF THE REALLY KEY FEATURES TO ALL OF THIS IS THE ABILITY FOR THAT COUNSELOR OR COUNSELORS TO GET THAT DEEP DIVE INTO WHAT'S HAPPENING AND ACTUALLY, UH, BE THE SUPER KNOWLEDGEABLE ONE ABOUT IT AND ABLE TO HELP US WITH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SIDE AS WELL AS IF THE TOPIC IS ON YOUR COUNCIL AGENDA FOR A FORMAL MEETING ITEM, WE HAVE THAT ONE OR TWO PERSON GROUP ON COUNCIL THAT CAN ALSO HELP TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT. 
          SO I WOULD SAY BOTH, YEAH, THAT THERE WOULD BE A HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH US ON ACTUAL, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, WE WANTED TO HAVE, UM, TO COUNSELOR F'S SUGGESTION, A FIRST, UM, COUNCIL LISTENING SESSION I'LL CALL IT, OR COMMUNITY CONVERSATION AROUND NEIGHBORHOOD AMENITIES THAT, UM, THAT COULD BRING UP, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT, UM, LIST OF ITEMS MIGHT BE THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR. 
          MAYBE IT'S SHADE STRUCTURES, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING ELSE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, AND THEN FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD BE LIKE, HEY, I'M THE CHAMPION FOR THIS AND WOULD WORK WITH US ON, UM, BRINGING FORWARD ACTUAL INITIATIVES UNDER THAT HOPE. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE, SENSE. 
          SO HAVING THAT PERSON BE WAY MORE INVOLVED THAN JUST, UM, THE UPDATES AT THE COUNCIL MEETINGS. 
          PETE, YOU YEAH, THANKS MAYOR. 
          I, I WAS WONDERING IF WE WOULD WANNA JUST DISPOSE OF THE OTHER THINGS, THE COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS, MAYBE THE, THE COUNSELOR INITIATIVE THINGS. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S CERTAINLY TWO THINGS IN MY MIND THAT I WANTED TO SIGN UP FOR, BUT, YOU KNOW, PUT UP THE MORE FOCUSED THINGS, DISPOSE OF THOSE FIRST AND THEN THESE LARGER CHAMPION ISSUES. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I I, I'M INTENDING TO THROW MY HAT IN THE RING FOR TWO THINGS AND I DON'T WANT TO BE SEEN AS BEING A SLACKER FOR A, FOR A BIGGER COUNCIL CHAMPION . 
          I, I'M, I'M JUST THINKING THAT THE, THAT THE STAFF IS GONNA LEAVE AT SOME POINT, THE LEADERSHIP TEAM AND MAYBE THEY'D WANNA KNOW WHO WANTS TO BE CHAMPION. 
          YEAH, WELL I CAN ALSO, YOU KNOW, LET THEM KNOW , , KATHY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHERE WE MIGHT FIT IN THAT, THAT WE HAVE THE FULL LIST IN FRONT OF US AT ONE TIME TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT WELL, YOU DO, YOU HAVE THE FOUR THINGS. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHY I WENT TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT PER INITIATIVE OR NOT. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS PER INITIATIVE. 
          IT'S A LOT MORE THINGS. 
          RIGHT? WELL, UM, IN TERMS OF THE 
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SIX PROJECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED UNDER THE COMMUNITY PRIORITY, RIGHT? THERE WERE THE SIX, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU COULD, UM, INDICATE AN INTEREST IN ANDY, ANY OF THOSE CAN GO BACK LUNCH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ONLY UNDER COMMUNITY, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          THAT'S ONLY RIGHT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S 1, 2, 3. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE WE DON'T HAVE A COUNSELOR CHAMPION IN EACH PROJECT IF THAT'S TOO MUCH. 
          UM, BUT DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN CHAMPIONS AT THE, UM, HIGHER LEVEL SO THAT WE HAVE A POINT OF CONTACT, LIKE WE KNOW WHO TO GO TO TO KEEP INFORMED AT A ROLE DETAIL LEVEL OR WHO WANTS TO COME TALK TO US OR FUNNEL, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY INPUT. 
          SO THIS IS AN EXPERIMENT, RIGHT? WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS BEFORE, SO WE'RE GONNA LEARN AS WE GO AND TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER AS WE GO. 
          SO, UM, TOTALLY OPEN TO, TO WHAT WORKS FOR YOU. 
          WE'RE JUST EXCITED TO HAVE YOU BE A PART OF THE INITIATIVE TEAM. 
          I GUESS I WOULD SAY, SO I, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THE HIGHER LEVEL FIRST AND THEN PEOPLE CAN ALSO PICK A PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT THEY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN. 
          LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE HOME RULE TEAM. 
          WE'RE MISSING COUNSEL FAFF AND, AND IT'LL BE BAD. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY TYPE THIS UP DURING THE BREAK AND THEN HAVE IT BACK AFTER THE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES DISCUSSION. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER AREA THAT NEEDS A CHAMPION. 
          CORRECT. 
          BESIDES THESE, BUT, UM, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          AND ARE YOU ONLY LOOKING AGAIN? THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID ONE OR TWO COUNCIL I THINK IS WHAT THE SLIDE SAID. 
          WELL, WE'RE OPEN TO WHATEVER, BUT IT CAN'T BE A QUORUM. 
          'CAUSE I'M ALSO, I MEAN, AGAIN, INTERESTED, YOU'RE GONNA GET A COUPLE OF COUNCILS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THE SAME THING AND SOME THAT DON'T FEEL MAYBE IT'S A GOOD FIT ON SOME OF THE OTHERS. 
          SO, I MEAN, I DON'T THAT'S FINE. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          'CAUSE I WOULD ALSO BE INTERESTED IN HOME RULE. 
          WE, WE CAN PUT IT ALL UP AND THEN SEE WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR OR DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR. 
          AND READJUST TOO. 
          I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A WORTHWHILE EXACTLY. 
          IT'S G INTEREST RIGHT NOW. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO YOU'RE WANTING THAT RIGHT NOW? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M INTERESTED IN HOUSING AS A COUNCIL CHAMPION. 
          ALSO INTERESTED IN ENGAGEMENT AS THAT OVERARCHING CONCEPT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND AT A INITIATIVE TYPE LEVEL. 
          WHILE IT DIDN'T MAKE IT THAT LIST AT THE MOMENT. 
          UM, COMMUNITY AMENITIES, COMMUNITY WANTS, NEEDS, UM, THAT I THINK SHOULD BE PART OF COMMUNITY. 
          I'M INTERESTED IN THAT. 
          I'M INTERESTED IN THAT AS WELL, JOE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN FOLLOW US INSTEAD OF, ARE WE CHANGING RAGER STATION RESTROOM TO AMENITIES? UM, NO, THE, THE DISCUSSION WAS LIKE, THESE ALL FIT UNDER A BROADER UMBRELLA YEAH. 
          OF LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING TO IMPROVE AMENITIES FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          FOR THE RESIDENT FOCUS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          MORPH, EVERYTHING. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S, UH, CHANGING THE LIST AND IS, I CAN PUT HIS INITIALS THERE AND WHO ELSE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I'M INTERESTED IN THE RANGER STATION RESTROOM. 
          YO, I WAS GONNA NOMINATE BRIAN FOR THAT SINCE HE'S BEEN PUSHING. 
          I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WE HAVE HIM ALREADY. 
          OKAY. 
          JOE, BEFORE YOU GO TOO FAR, LET BRIAN JUST, AND KATHY, BEFORE WE JUMP TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I, I SAID THREE THINGS. 
          ONE WAS THE, THE HOUSING. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WE'RE ON COMMUNITY, SO YEAH, THAT'S FINE. 
          ARE WE HIGH? ARE WE LOW? WE'RE BEING VERY, WE'RE IN COMMUNITY. 
          JUST WITHIN COMMUNITY THEN IT'S AMENITIES, COMMUNITY AMENITIES, ACT COMMUNITY AMENITIES AND ACTIVITIES. 
          YEAH. 
          OVERALL SUB TOPIC. 
          YES. 
          AS A SUBTOPIC, GETTING DOWN TO THE PROJECT LEVEL. 
          AND I THINK THE PROJECTS WILL MICROPHONE, WAIT, WAIT. 
          HOLD ON A SECOND, MELISSA. 
          WE'RE JUST MORPHING THINGS THOUGH, WHICH IS A LITTLE UNDERMINING OF THE WORK THAT WAS DONE. 
          I THINK WE'RE NOT UNDERMINING THE WORK, WE'RE GAUGING THE INTEREST OF COUNCIL ON ANY OF THE ACTIVITIES OR INITIATIVES UNDER COMMUNITY. 
          SO I'LL, I'D LIKE TO SIGN UP FOR FIREWISE AND THE WASTEWATER RATE STUDY . 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHARLIE BROWN. 
          WOW. 
           RANGER STATION RESTROOM. 
          STRIKE THAT STRIKE. 
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BRIAN FROM RANGER PP. 
          WELL, BUT THAT'S THE, THAT'S AN AMENITY. 
          IT'S A BROADER, IT'S BROADER THAN US, RIGHT? THAT'S A PROJECT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UM, SO TAKE THIS OFF. 
          IT WAS PETE BEING A JOKESTER. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I'M SORRY. 
          I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED NOW. 
          BECAUSE THOSE ARE PROJECTS, THEY'RE NOT PROJECTS, THEY'RE INITIATIVES. 
          YES. 
          AND SO AS DESCRIBED IN THE FIREWISE DESCRIPTION, WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR COUNCIL CHAMPION THAT WILL BE KIND OF THE POINT PERSON ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL FOR THE BIG FIREWISE INITIATIVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I THINK AN INITIATIVE, UH, AS BEING SOMETHING BROADER, AN INITIATIVE TO ME WOULD BE AMENITIES. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST EXPRESS PLEASE WHAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SO THAT WE CAN, IF I, IF I SAID IF I SAID IF I SAID AMENITIES, WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT PROJECTS ARE YOU GONNA ASSIGN? IT'S TEAM D. 
          IT'S UP AT, SO THAT WOULD BE UNDER THE HIGHER LEVEL OF COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO AN INDIVIDUAL THING UNDERNEATH IT. 
          HOME RULE IS NOT AN AMENITY. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT'S NOT WASTEWATER STUDY IS NOT AN AMENITY. 
          SO, SO I'M REALLY CONFUSED WHAT WE'RE WE'RE DOING HERE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          DO YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR PROJECT YES. 
          THAT YOU WANNA PUT YOUR NAME NEXT TO? IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THE AMENITIES ASPECT THAT'S REALLY FALLING UNDER THE CIRCULATION PRIORITY AROUND SHARED USE PATHS IN A MINUTE. 
          ALL THAT. 
          THEY HAD TOUCHED ON IT. 
          IT'S BROADER THAN THAT THOUGH. 
          I KNOW. 
          THEY'RE ALL BROAD. 
          THEY'RE ALL INTERWOVEN. 
          I'M JUST SAYING IN TERMS OF HOW THE STAFF TOOK A STAB AT BREAKING THEM APART. 
          UM, THAT'S WHERE THAT ELEMENT ENDED UP IN THE SLIDE DECK. 
          IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT A COMMUNITY PRIORITY, IT'S JUST THAT'S WHERE THAT ITEM WHY IT'S NOT ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          ANYWAY. 
          MELISSA, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE WAITING, THAT YOU WANNA SIGN UP FOR, UM, YOU OX YEAH, IT'S THE ONLY ONE I COULD THINK OF TOO IS THE ED. 
          AND BY THE WAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR EVERYTHING. 
          WELL, I'M NOT, JOE, YOU CAN PUT ME DOWN FOR W AONA ALSO. 
          OKAY. 
          BRIAN WANTS W AONA. 
          DID YOU HEAR THAT? OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S ON THERE. 
          I'LL TAKE THE HAZARDOUS WASTE. 
          THE HAZARDOUS WASTE EVENT AS WELL AND WE CAN GET THESE ALL LISTED OUT AND THEN YOU CAN REVISIT THEM. 
          IT'S CRAZY. 
          AND THEN WHEN, WHEN, UM, DEREK COMES BACK, WE CAN INCORPORATE, OKAY, LET'S MOVE TO HOUSING. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF DETAIL. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF DETAIL. 
          NO, I THINK WE NEED TO STAY 'CAUSE THE HOUSING STRATEGY IS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA FIND THE DETAIL. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THAT STRATEGY YET. 
          IT'S COMING TO YOU. 
          WE HAVE A WORK SESSION AT THE END OF FEBRUARY AND THEN MULTIPLE THINGS AFTER THAT. 
          UM, SO I WOULD JUST SAY IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, I'LL JUST PUT THEIR INITIALS SOMEWHERE. 
          HOUSING. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I'M CERTAINLY INTERESTED IN HOUSING. 
          I AM AS WELL. 
          AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WORKS. 
          WHERE TO PUT PEOPLE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN CIRCULATION FOR MOBILITY. 
          UM, SO THIS IS WHERE MORE AMENITIES COULD LAND. 
          ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH US ADDING THAT? WELL, IT WAS ON THE ALTERNATE LIST, SO YEAH. 
          BUT IT'S MOVING IT TO A YEAH. 
          PRIORITY. 
          YEAH. 
          MIGHT I SUGGEST TOO? UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE SOME OF OUR ANALYTICALS AND AS COUNCIL CHAMPIONS HERE. 
          THE REASON IS IF WE CAN GET THAT HIGHER LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING, I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD HELP US BE ABLE TO MOVE PROJECTS ALONG. 
          'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE END UP EXPENDING A LOT OF TIME GETTING THOSE DETAILS OUT IN, UH, PUBLIC MEETINGS. 
          SO IF WE COULD DO THAT BEHIND THE SCENES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          WELL, I VOLUNTEERED FOR THAT. 
          ADAPTIVE SIGNALS, IT'S FINE. 
          NOT THAT ONE. 
          NO, NOT ADAPTIVE SIGNAL. 
          I VOLUNTEER FOR THE HIGHER LEVEL OF HOW DO WE ENGAGE EARLY AND OFTEN. 
          YOU CAN JUST PUT THEIR INITIALS 
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UP IN THE TITLE OF THE SLIDE. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE PROJECT. 
          I MEAN, I'M INTERESTED IN HELPING OUT ON TRANSPORTATION, WHICH ISN'T NECESSARILY CIRCULATION. 
          IT'S JUST, UM, AGAIN, I'M MORE INTERESTED IN HOW WE GET CARS OFF THE ROAD THAN HOW WE DISPERSE TRAFFIC ACROSS THE CITY. 
          AND I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, SO I WOULD JUST BE SAYING, DO WE REALLY NEED THAT ROUNDABOUT? SO YOU DON'T NEED THAT HELP. 
          DO YOU WANNA BE ON A DECK SIGNALS, BUT PART OF THIS IS TRANSIT AND, AND JUST HAD MULTIMODAL ROUND. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND I'M JUST SAYING TRANSIT. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK GOES WITH HOUSING ANY, ANYWAY. 
          WE LOOK AT IT, THEY, THEY NEED TO, THEY NEED TO DO IT. 
          AND CIRCULATION MEANING OR MOBILITY? PUTTING, PUTTING PEOPLE IN ON BICYCLES AND WALKING. 
          I THINK THAT FOR ME, THAT ALSO HAS TO GO WITH HOUSING AND, AND WHO WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO ATTRACT. 
          SO I'D, I'D BE HAPPY IF I DON'T DRIVE STAFF CRAZY. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO SIGN UP FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO KATHY, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE THREE. 
          WE GO BACK AND SEE WHERE WE PUT YOU ON. 
          UH, HOME RULE. 
          YOU HAD YEAH. 
          MENTIONED. 
          ARE YOU, IS THERE ANYTHING IN CIRCULATION THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN? UM, AGAIN, CIRCULATION. 
          I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE, I GUESS WE'RE USING THE TERM AMENITIES THAT GO ON PATHS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO PUT KATHY ON THE YEAH. 
          UP THERE. 
          AND THEN HOW ABOUT HOUSING? YES. 
          . 
          . 
          TOO MANY PEOPLE. 
          ALL OF IT. 
          . 
          WELL, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE. 
          IT DEPENDS ON HOW WE BREAK IT UP. 
          YES. 
          HOUSING. 
          AM I GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR HOUSING? NO HOUSING. 
          OTHER WAYS LATER. 
          NO, BACK. 
          I WAS GOING YOU JUST, THAT'S IT. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          OKAY, WELL GO EARLIER PAGE. 
          THANKS ROXANNE. 
          THERE'S ONE MORE. 
          ONE MORE. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          ONE MORE. 
          NO, THAT WAS IT. 
          IT'S RIGHT THERE. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          OH MY GOSH. 
          PRIORITY HOUSING. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT'S ALL OF IT REALLY. 
          CURRENT TRENDS. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I'M INTERESTED IN THE CURRENT TRENDS IN THE FAMILY AND WORKFORCE FOCUSED IT, WE'RE NOT DO THAT. 
          WELL, IT, IT REALLY BELONGS. 
          IT'S NOT THREE, IT'S NOT CURRENT TRENDS. 
          IT'S UP, WE BELIEVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE BELONG UP ALL UP THERE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL, I'LL JOIN THE ANALYTICAL TEAM ON THE TREND. 
          CIRCULATION. 
          CIRCULATION. 
          THANK YOU ANDY. 
          UH, THAT'S BACK. 
          YES. 
          I'M LISTENING TO YOU. 
          ? YEAH. 
          THERE IT IS. 
          I OH, THE TOP. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SEE, IT WASN'T THAT PAINFUL. 
          NO. 
          DID OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          DID I HEAR YOU MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT THIS BEING YOUR THIRD PRIORITY? DID I HEAR YOU? I'M JUST CLARIFYING. 
          YOU SAID, ARE YOU OKAY WITH US MAKING, YOU WERE ASKING A QUESTION, SO I'M JUST CLARIFYING FOR MY MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT, I THINK IT WAS THE, I THINK IT WAS THE AMENITIES, WHETHER, OH, OKAY. 
          WE WERE MOVING. 
          OH, I WAS ASKING ANDY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, UNDER THAT SLIDE, UH, YEAH, AFTER ADAPTIVE SIGNALS, PUTTING THAT AMENITIES UNDERNEATH THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT, BUT ALSO CIRCULATION ISN'T WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN. 
          WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS IN THE TRANSPORTATION AND, UH, MULTIMODAL MOBILITY, WHATEVER THE WORD IS THAT YOU GUYS ARE USING THAT PART OF IT. 
          I'M INTERESTED IN THE CIRCULATION PART. 
          I'M NOT AS INTERESTED IN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BECAUSE THAT'S A CIRCULATION. 
          GOT IT. 
          SHE'S MAKING A NOTE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WELL WE CAN FINALIZE IT LATER. 
          UM, SO YOU HAVE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES FOR US TO GET A SHORT BREAK AND, UM, GET KATHY SENDMAN UP ON THE TEAMS AND KINDA SHIFT INTO LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY SETTING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR ENGAGING IN THIS EXPERIMENT OF TRYING TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING THINGS. 
          UM, APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU EVERYBODY. 
          ALL WE'RE DOING NOW TOO. 
          OKAY, EVERYBODY. 
          WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON TO OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES AND PROTOCOLS WITH KATHY SENSEMAN. 
          GOOD MORNING, KATHY. 
          GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US TODAY. 
          WHO WANTS, SORRY, I COULDN'T BE THERE IN PERSON, BUT THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. 
          DO YOU WANNA START, ANNETTE? OKAY, COUNSEL, WELCOME BACK. 
          [02:25:01]
UM, AS WE, UH, DESCRIBED HOW THE STRUCTURE OF THE RETREAT WOULD BE, UM, WE HAD THREE MAJOR FOCUS AREAS TO TALK TO COUNSEL ABOUT. 
          ONE WAS POLICY PRIORITIES, WHICH WE'VE DONE, BUDGET PRIORITIES, WHICH WE'VE DONE. 
          AND THE LAST ONE IS LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. 
          AND SO KATHY SENSEMAN IS OUR LOBBYIST WITH POLICY DEVELOPMENT GROUP. 
          SHE HAS WORKED WITH LAUREN BROWN ON DEVELOPING PROPOSED LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES AND PROTOCOLS. 
          I GAVE YOU A HARD COPY AT YOUR, EXCUSE ME, AT YOUR DESK. 
          UM, BUT WE ALSO WILL GO THROUGH THOSE IN THESE SLIDES WITH KATHY AND THEN SHE CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, OBVIOUSLY THROUGHOUT. 
          UM, SO REALLY PLEASED TO HAVE HER ONLINE WITH US THIS MORNING AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HER. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU ANNETTE. 
          AND PLEASE, ANYONE FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ME AS I'M GOING THROUGH WITH QUESTIONS AND WON'T OFFEND ME IN THE LEAST BIT AND WANT TO DRILL DOWN ON WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU GUYS. 
          UM, SO I'LL, I'LL JUST SHARE THAT I ORIGINALLY HAD LAUREN ON THIS FIRST SLIDE, BUT SHE WAS WAY TOO MODEST AND SINCE SHE WOULDN'T BE HERE, DIDN'T WANNA HAVE HER NAME ON IT, BUT SHE VERY MUCH PLAYED IT INTO A ROLE IN DEVELOPING, UH, THE SLIDE DECK FOR YOU TODAY. 
          SO IF WE COULD ROLL TO THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE. 
          YIKES. 
          I'M, I'M TRYING . 
          AND JUST REALLY QUICK, UM, EVERYTHING IN THIS POWERPOINT, UM, IF YOU SEE IT UNDERLINED, IT'S LINKED. 
          SO IF I TALK ABOUT A REPORT OR TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, FISCAL HIGHLIGHTS OR WHATEVER, UM, IF YOU HAVE THIS DOCUMENT, YOU CAN JUST CLICK ON THAT AND YOU CAN GO KIND OF DIVE DEEPER IN INTO THESE. 
          I TRY TO KEEP THIS VERY HIGH LEVEL. 
          UM, SO FIRST OFF, JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SHOW YOU KIND OF THE 20, 26 KEY DATES, UM, IN THE LEGISLATIVE GOVERNMENT, STATE GOVERNMENT WORLD. 
          AND SO SESSION WILL START ON, UH, JANUARY 12TH. 
          UM, WHAT TRIGGERS WHEN THE SESSION STARTS IS THE GOVERNOR HAS TO COME OUT WITH HER BUDGET CONSTITUTIONALLY REQUIRED ON THAT FRIDAY. 
          AND SO WE WILL HAVE AN IDEA OF KIND OF WHAT, UM, OF WHAT HER PRIORITIES ARE. 
          AND AT THAT POINT, THAT WILL TELL YOU THAT WE WILL GET INTO IT A LITTLE BIT LATER WITH KIND OF WHERE OUR BUDGET IS. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THAT HER BUDGET IS REALLY GONNA BE THAT REALISTIC BECAUSE SHE'S CONSTITUTIONALLY REQUIRED TO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET AND KIND OF GIVEN SOME OF THE BUDGET CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE. 
          I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE TOUGH TO BE A REALISTIC BUDGET. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, THE OTHER ONE TOO, JUST YOU COULD KIND OF LOOK AT THE COMMITTEE, UH, DEADLINES THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND SO KIND OF END OF FEBRUARY, END OF MARCH ARE THE TWO BIG HURDLES OF THE LEGISL LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 
          SO YOUR BILL ESSENTIALLY HAS TO BE OUT OF COMMITTEE, UM, ON THOSE BY THOSE DATES, OR IT'S DEAD IN THE PROCESS. 
          UM, AND AS YOU KNOW, IT'S A MIDTERM ELECTION YEAR. 
          SO, UM, SESSIONS BEEN GETTING OUT LIKE IN LATE JUNE. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK THERE ON APRIL 6TH, YOU KNOW, CANDIDATE SIGNATURES FOR THE LEGISLATURE FOR ALL CANDIDATES ARE DUE ON APRIL 6TH. 
          AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE KIND OF IN THE MIX OF THINGS GOING ON. 
          UM, AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, JULY 2ND, WE HAVE THE, UM, UH, WHEN THE STATEWIDE INITIATIVE SIGNATURES ARE DUE. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY THAT ACTIVE. 
          AND AGAIN, WE'LL TALK ABOUT LEGISLATIVE REFERRALS A LITTLE BIT LATER. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S ONLY TWO THAT HAVE HAD PAPERS PULLED, AND ONE OF THEM I KNOW IS PULLED OUT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL SEE ANY CITIZEN INITIATIVES THIS YEAR OR FOR THE CYCLE. 
          UM, AND THEN I PUT ON THERE JUST THE PRIMARY ELECTION AND THE NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTION, JUST SO YOU KIND OF HAVE THAT IN YOUR, UM, IN YOUR SCOPE OF THINGS HAPPENING IN 2026. 
          UM, IF WE COULD JUMP TO THE NEXT ONE, UM, I JUST KIND OF DID SOME BROAD OVERVIEW OF KIND OF WHAT WE THINK ARE GONNA BE SOME OF THE BIGGER ISSUES OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 
          AND IF YOU NOTICE, HOUSING IS NOT UP THERE, AND WHEN I'VE TALKED WITH THE LEAGUE AND WITH OTHERS, THERE SEEMS TO BE A BIT OF ISSUE FATIGUE ON THE HOUSING ISSUE. 
          AND SO, UM, WE'RE ANTICIPATING AN AMENDMENT ON THE MIDDLE HOUSING BILL TO EXCLUDE HISTORIC HOUSES. 
          UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE OUR STR LEGISLATION AND THE LEGISLATION THAT THE LEAGUE IS DOING, WHICH WE'RE VERY MUCH COORDINATED WITH THEM ON. 
          UM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE HOUSING SEEMS TO BE, EVERYONE'S JUST EXHAUSTED WITH THE SUBJECT. 
          UM, AND I'LL GO THROUGH, I HAVE A SLIDE ON EACH OF THESE, SO IF WE COULD, UH, MOVE ON TO THE FIRST SLIDE. 
          SO, OH, I NEED . 
          OKAY. 
          SO STATE LAND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THIS ON YOUR RADAR SCREEN. 
          THERE'S NOTHING WE NEED TO DO HERE OTHER THAN WE MAY GET ASKED TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE STATE LAND. 
          UM, AND SO STATE LAND IS, UM, UH, UH, WELL, STATE LAND REAUTHORIZATION IS EVERY AGENT STATE AGENCY HAS TO GO THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED A SUNSET REVIEW PROCESS. 
          [02:30:01]
AND SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE AUDITOR GENERAL DOES A PERFORMANCE AUDIT OF THEM AND MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THEN IT HAS TO GO BEFORE, UM, THEY CALL IT THE, UH, CORE COMMITTEE OF REFERENCE. 
          UM, AND THEN THAT COMMITTEE WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE LEGISLATURE ON HOW MANY YEARS A STATE AGENCY SHOULD BE REAUTHORIZED FOR. 
          AND THE MAX NUMBER OF YEARS IS 10 YEARS. 
          AND I WILL SAY THAT IT'S REALLY KIND OF PROPORTIONAL. 
          SO THE HIGHER THE PROFILE, THE AGENCY, THE MORE DRAMA THERE IS WITH IT, AND THE FEWER, IT'S LIKE AN INVERSE RELATIONSHIP. 
          SO THE, THE MORE WELL KNOWN OR CONTROVERSIAL THE AGENCY IS, THE FEWER, UM, NUMBER OF YEARS THEY GET IN REAUTHORIZATION. 
          SO, UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL SEE THIS COMING UP. 
          I'VE NEVER SEEN AN AGENCY NOT GET REAUTHORIZED, BUT THIS BE WILL PROBABLY BECOME A POLITICAL FOOTBALL DURING THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 
          UM, AND THERE COULD BE A TIME THAT, THAT WE GET ASKED BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH, UM, STATE AND FEDERAL LAND SURROUNDING SEDONA. 
          WE MIGHT GET ASKED TO TAKE A POSITION ON THIS, SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT ON YOUR RADAR SCREEN IN CASE THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE DOES COME ASKING IN THE SESSION TO TRY TO GARNER SUPPORT FOR THIS. 
          UM, NEXT UP, HI KATHY ENERGY KA KATHY, IT'S, IT'S BECOMING KIND OF, I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH, KATHY, UH, BRIAN FOLTZ HERE. 
          ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE LAND DEPARTMENT, LIKE IF IT WAS NOT REAUTHORIZED, THEN WHAT? WELL, TECHNICALLY IT'S SUNSETS, WHICH MEANS IT WOULD GO AWAY. 
          UM, BUT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION, IT REALLY CAN'T GO AWAY. 
          AND SO, UM, SO GENERALLY WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DOES IS KIND OF THREATEN THE GOVERNOR WITH LIKE, WE'RE NOT GONNA REAUTHORIZE IT TO TRY TO BUILD LEVERAGE FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. 
          UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LEGISLATURE ALWAYS AUTHORIZES IT. 
          NOW, WHAT THEY CAN DO, UM, AND WHAT I'VE SEEN THEM DO LIKE WITH A DEQ IN THE PAST IS THEY'LL ONLY REAUTHORIZE IT FOR LIKE ONE YEAR AT A TIME, AND THEN THE AGENCY HAS TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE AUDIT PROCESS AND THEN GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET, UH, REAUTHORIZED THE LEGISLATURE. 
          SO IT JUST BECOMES AN INCREDIBLE TIME SUCK FOR THESE AGENCIES IF THEY KIND OF GO DOWN THAT CONTROVERSIAL ROAD. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF, LIKE IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THE MINING AND THE WATER, YOU KNOW, EVERY, EVERYONE THAT THAT TOUCHES ON STATE LAND ARE ALL TRYING TO KEEP THIS FIELD NON-CONTROVERSIAL. 
          UM, AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, SHOW SUPPORT FOR IT BEFORE THE SESSION STARTS. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL, TIME WILL TELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE GET INTO THE POLITICS OF THE, OF THE, OF THE SESSION, BUT OF WHERE THIS IS GONNA GO. 
          BUT KATHY, AND GENERALLY THE MORE CONTROVERSIAL TO GET, THE MORE THAT FOLKS ARE TRYING TO ASK ANYONE AND EVERYONE TO WEIGH IN ON, ON IT IN A SUPPORTIVE WAY. 
          OKAY, BUT KATHY, LIKE, ISN'T THE BILL TO REAUTHORIZE JUST A SIMPLE CLEAN BILL, OR DOES STUFF GET ATTACHED TO IT THAT MAKES IT CONTROVERSIAL? 'CAUSE OTHERWISE, IF, IF THE DEPARTMENT GOES AWAY, I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE THE LAND GOES AWAY. 
          I, I LIKE, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE WHY THERE'S ANY CONTROVERSY. 
          NO, I KNOW. 
          I, YEAH, I KNOW. 
          I THINK HALF OF MY JOB IS JUST EXPLAINING LIKE WHY THINGS THAT SHOULD MAKE COMPLETE SENSE, STILL  ON THE STATE LEGISLATURE. 
          UM, AND SO, SO YEAH, IT SHOULD MAKE TOTAL SENSE. 
          IT SHOULD BE A NO-BRAINER, YOU KNOW? UM, BUT, UH, THE LEGISLATURE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO AUTHORIZE IT UP TO 10 YEARS, THE NUMBER OF YEARS BECOMES CONTROVERSIAL. 
          AND THEN IN YEARS PAST, AND AGAIN, JUST REMEMBER WITH THE DEMOCRAT, GOVERNOR AND REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE, EVERYTHING IS ABOUT LEVERAGE, YOU KNOW, AND SO, YOU KNOW, SO I, I DON'T, I HAVE NOT HEARD THEM DO THIS, BUT IN YEARS PAST, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE TRIED TO ADD THINGS OR TO TRY TO MANDATE THE AGENCIES TO DO SPECIFIC THINGS. 
          UM, AND SO WE MAY SEE THAT GET ADDED TO THE BILL, BUT THE ORIGINAL BILL WILL START OFF AS JUST A CLEAN, LIKE WE'RE AUTHORIZING IT FOR SEVEN YEARS. 
          UM, AND I SAY SEVEN JUST BECAUSE NO ONE EVER GETS 10 YEARS ANYMORE. 
          AND USUALLY IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE SEVEN TO EIGHT RANGE. 
          UM, IF THEY LIKE YOU, IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IT'S AN INVERSE RELATIONSHIP. 
          SO THE MORE THEY, THE MORE CONTROVERSIAL YOU ARE, THE MORE THEY DON'T LIKE YOU, THE FEWER YEARS YOU GET IN THAT REAUTHORIZATION, WHICH AGAIN MAKES NO SENSE WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH SOMETHING THAT'S CONSTITUTIONAL AND A DRIVER FOR, UM, FOR EDUCATION FUNDING, YOU KNOW, IN THE STATE. 
          SO I, I, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T MAKE BETTER SENSE OF IT THAN THAT. 
          IT'S JUST THE POLITICS OF THE CAPITOL ON THESE THINGS. 
          ALL GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU SIR. 
          UM, SO NEXT UP, ENERGY. 
          SO ENERGY'S BECOMING LIKE THE NEW KIND OF WATER ISSUE CONTROVERSY THAT EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT, AND DATA CENTERS ARE KIND OF AT THE EPICENTER OF THAT. 
          BUT REALLY, I'LL TELL YOU, WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DATA CENTERS, THEY'RE REALLY TALKING 
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ABOUT LARGE LOAD USERS. 
          AND SO THAT COULD BE MANUFACTURING, THAT COULD BE MINING, THAT COULD, IT COULD BE A LOT OF THINGS, BUT DATA CENTERS SEEM TO BE, UH, THE FOLKS THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN THE BARREL OF KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY WE HAVE HIGHER RATES. 
          THIS IS WHY WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH EVERY, UM, ENERGY WOE IS KIND OF BEING PLACED AT THE DATA CENTER FEED. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S, AND IT'S, IT'S CONTRIBUTING TO THAT ENERGY SCARCITY NARRATIVE THAT WE HEAR OUT THERE BECAUSE, UM, ENERGY PRODUCTION HAS NOT KEPT UP WITH GROWTH EVEN BEFORE DATA CENTERS. 
          AND THIS IS MORE, IT IS NOT JUST AN ARIZONA PROBLEM, IT'S A WHOLE WESTERN US ISSUE. 
          UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MAJOR UTILITIES AND LIKE THE CHAMBERS AND THE BUSINESS GROUPS, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THEIR MESSAGING HAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BEEN, DEMAND IS HIGH, BUT THEY'RE, THEY, THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE AGNOSTIC ON WHAT THE NEW SUPPLY LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, AND SO THERE'S TALKS, I'VE BEEN IN SEVERAL STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS OF LOOKING AT HOW COULD THEY CITE MORE QUICKLY, UM, SMALL MODULAR NUCLEAR, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS OF FROM, UH, A CITY STANDPOINT IS A LOT OF THIS IS LIKE, WELL, IF WE COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, EXPEDITE PERMITS AND JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MANDATE THAT CITIES OR COUNTIES WOULD GIVE A PERMIT IN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS. 
          UM, SO THAT, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WATCH FOR IN THIS, UM, IN THESE ISSUES. 
          UM, AND I KNOW THERE ARE PROBABLY AT LEAST HALF A DOZEN OR MORE BILLS THAT, THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT WILL BE ON DATA CENTERS, UM, THIS COMING SESSION. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT MAYBE YOU DOESN'T CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT DATA CENTERS, BUT IT'S KIND OF IMPLEMENTATION OF HOW THEY MIGHT PREEMPT CITIES THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT. 
          AND SO I'LL BE, I'LL BE WATCHING FOR ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN REALLY QUICKLY, JUST TO PUT ON YOUR RADAR SCREEN, AND NOT TO BE OVERLY POLITICAL, BUT YOU KNOW, IN THE 2026 ELECTION, SO IN ADDITION TO THE GOVERNOR AND ALL STATEWIDE OFFICES AND THE ENTIRE LEGISLATURE, THAT'S UP EVERY TWO YEARS, UM, IN THE CORPORATION COMMISSION ROTATION, TWO OF THE CORPORATION COMMISSIONERS WILL BE UP FOR REELECTION. 
          BOTH OF THOSE COMMISSIONERS, UM, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON AND MEYERS ARE RUNNING FOR REELECTION. 
          BUT WE HAVE TWO LEGISLATORS, UM, IN REPRESENTATIVE HEAP AND REPRESENTATIVE MARSHALL. 
          AND REPRESENTATIVE MARSHALL IS FROM A NEIGHBORING LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT TO US WITH REPRESENTATIVE BLACKMAN AND SENATOR ROGERS. 
          UM, THEY'LL BE CHALLENGING IN THE PRIMARY, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO RUN TO THE, AS FAR RIGHT AS YOU CAN WITH THE TRUMP ENERGY AGENDA. 
          UM, AND SO WE'LL SEE HOW THAT PRIMARY PLAYS OUT. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT SET RATES. 
          AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE, I'M, I'M JUST KEEPING AN EYE ON THAT. 
          AND THEN SRP, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, UH, HAVE ANY SRP TERRITORY. 
          UM, BUT UH, WHAT'S INTERESTING THAT'S HAPPENING THERE AND CAUSING LIKE THE FREE ENTERPRISE CLUB AND SOME OF THE MORE RIGHT-LEANING GROUPS TO GET ENGAGED IN THEIR BOARD ELECTIONS IS THAT KIND OF THE TRADITIONAL SRP ELECTEDS, UM, WHICH ARE USUALLY, YOU KNOW, LANDOWNERS, FARMERS, UM, ARE, ARE, ARE DWINDLING ON THEIR BOARD AND YOU HAVE A GROWING NUMBER OF THESE NGO STYLE CANDIDATES. 
          SO I THINK SIERRA CLUB, UM, HAVE BEEN MAKING INROADS INTO THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS ELECTION AND THEY HAVE THAT ELECTION COMING UP IN APRIL. 
          AND SO I KNOW, AGAIN, A LOT OF THE CONSERVATIVE GROUPS ARE, UM, VERY CONCERNED BECAUSE THEY'RE WORRIED THAT MAYBE A GREEN ENERGY POLICY COULD TAKE OVER, YOU KNOW, SRP. 
          AND SO AGAIN, NOTHING WE NEED TO DO ABOUT THAT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT ON THE RADAR SCREEN 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF ALL IN THAT ENERGY ECOSYSTEM. 
          SO IF WE COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, COLORADO RIVER NEGOTIATIONS. 
          UM, SO, SO FAR THE MESSAGING ON THIS SEEMS TO BE VERY BIPARTISAN IN NATURE. 
          UM, THE GOVERNOR DID A BIPARTISAN LETTER SIGNED BY ALL THE LEGISLATIVE LEADERS OF BOTH PARTIES TO THE INTERIOR SECRETARY. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, SO RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS LIKE FOLKS ARE, SEEM TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE OF WANTING TO DO SOMETHING. 
          UM, AND SO WE, THAT WE DON'T GET INTO EITHER FEDERAL INTERVENTION ON THIS OR, OR LITIGATION MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO GET, STAY AWAY FROM LITIGATION, BUT, UM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE ALL OF THE, THE KIND OF LEADERS IN THE RIGHT PLACE ARE WANTING TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE IN THESE NEGOTIATIONS. 
          UM, SO WE'LL SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT, UM, IN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, WE WILL SEE THAT IN THE FORM OF WHAT BILLS GET INTRODUCED, UM, YOU KNOW, IN WATER, UH, FOR WATER POLICY. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY, AT LEAST SINCE GOVERNOR HOBBS HAS BEEN HERE, THERE ARE VERY FEW WATER BILLS, UM, THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE MADE IT TO OUR DEATHS THAT HAVE BEEN SIGNED. 
          UM, MOSTLY BECAUSE, 
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ESPECIALLY FOR RURAL GROUND WATER MANAGEMENT AND THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES, THERE'S JUST FOLKS ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE WITH, UH, WITH REPRESENTATIVE GRIFFIN WHO IS THE CHAIR OF THE HOUSE NATURAL RESOURCES ENERGY AND WATER COMMITTEE. 
          AND SO SHE SHOULD, I THINK LAST YEAR SHE PROBABLY HAD 25 OF HER WATER BILLS VETOED BY THE GOVERNOR. 
          AND SO SHE'S, SHE'LL BE BACK AND, UM, FOR THE SESSION AND ALREADY STARTED TO PRE-FILE, YOU KNOW, SOME BILLS. 
          BUT, UM, DESPITE EFFORTS BY A LOT OF FOLKS IN RURAL ARIZONA, UM, TO TRY TO FIND A PATHWAY THERE JUST HAS NOT SEEMED TO BE ONE WITH KIND OF THE FARMERS AND KIND OF LARGER LAND OWNERS SO FAR. 
          SO WE'LL SEE WHERE THIS SESSION GOES, BUT, UM, BUT AT LEAST THE GOOD NEWS ON COLORADO RIVER WATER IS FOLKS SEEM TO BE WANTING TO, UM, WORK IN CONCERT TOGETHER ON THAT. 
          KATHY, THIS IS KATHY IS PETE FIRM, PETE FERMAN, I, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF IT AS WELL, BUT RIGHT, THIS COLORADO RIVER NEGOTIATION STUFF IS GONNA GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND IT'S DIRECT IMPACT ON SEDONA IS MINIMAL OTHER THAN THE, UH, I THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA ALREADY START PUSHING HARDER ON SORT OF THE BASIN TRANSFER RULES. 
          UH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO BE WARY OF, BE VERY WATCHFUL FOR, UH, BILLS THAT START TO MOVE ABOUT THE ABILITY TO TRANSFER WATER FROM ONE BASIN TO ANOTHER 'CAUSE THAT, THAT, THAT COULD AFFECT SEDONA AND THE VERDE VALLEY GREATLY. 
          THANK YOU FOR FLAGGING THAT FOR ME, SIR. 
          AND, UM, I DO FOLLOW THAT ISSUE VERY CLOSELY. 
          UM, LAST YEAR I REPRESENTED LA PO COUNTY, WHO IS, ACCORDING TO YALE, GRIFFIN WAS THE COUNTY DESIGNED ONLY TO BE A TRANSFER BASIN. 
          SO, UM, I'M CURRENTLY NOT REPRESENTING THEM, BUT I DO TRACK THAT ISSUE PRETTY CLOSELY FOR THEM. 
          SO I WILL BE SURE TO KEEP AN EYE OUT AND AND FLAG THOSE BILLS AS I, AS I SEE THEM COME UP. 
          UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON WATER BEFORE I MOVE ON? ALRIGHT, UM, BUDGET. 
          SO I'M GONNA TRY NOT TO GET TOO DEEP IN THE WEEDS ON THIS, BUT HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO, UH, DIVE, DIVE DEEPER IF YOU NEED ME TO. 
          SO, UM, THE BUDGET IS KIND OF WHAT'S GONNA, I'M SORRY. 
          NOPE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S SAID ANYTHING. 
          GO AHEAD, KATHY. 
          OKAY, SORRY MAYOR, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT COMPLETELY. 
          UM, YEAH, SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE BUDGET'S GONNA BE A BIG DEAL AND IT'S GONNA BE DRIVEN BY A COUPLE THINGS. 
          UM, THE IMPACTS OF HR ONE, UH, THE TAX CONFORMITY AND THEN ALSO WHERE TAX REVENUES ARE. 
          AND SO IN THE FIRST BULLET, YOU KNOW, JLBC, WHICH IS THE JOINT LEGISLATIVE BUDGET COMMITTEE, KIND OF HAD, COMES OUT WITH MONTHLY FISCAL HIGHLIGHTS EVERY MONTH. 
          UM, AND THEY KIND OF PREDICT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY THINK WILL BE AVAILABLE IN THE BUDGET, UM, OR AVAILABLE TO SPEND NEW SPENDING IN THE BUDGET, I SHOULD SAY. 
          AND WHEN THEY DO THAT, THEY HAVE TO LOOK, WE, WE BUDGET ON A THREE YEAR CYCLE. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT LIKE WHAT IS GOING TO BE PROJECTED THE LOWEST BALANCE IN THAT THREE YEAR PERIOD. 
          AND SO THE NUMBER THAT EVERYONE'S BEEN DEALING WITH IS THAT 67 MILLION. 
          AND SO IF YOU CAN ALL KIND OF KEEP THAT NUMBER IN MIND, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE IMPACTS OF THE OTHER THINGS, YOU'LL SEE KIND OF WHY BUDGET SEEMS TO BE WHAT EVERYONE THINKS IS GONNA DOMINATE THE SESSION. 
          NOW NOVEMBER HIGHLIGHTS CAME IN LIKE ALMOST 10% ABOVE THE YEAR BEFORE, AND SO THAT'S ADDED ABOUT 180 MILLION TO WHAT THEY THINK THEY'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEND. 
          BUT HERE'S WHERE THE CHALLENGES START. 
          SO THE LEGISLATURE IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS HAVE STARTED THIS BUDGET GIVING CALLED ONE, ONE TIME ONGOING. 
          UM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEND IN THAT THREE YEAR BUDGET CYCLE. 
          SO THEY CALL IT ONE TIME, BUT IT'S ONE TIME AND IT'S GONNA OCCUR IN THE BUDGET EVERY YEAR. 
          AND SO THAT'S OVER A BILLION DOLLARS THAT THEY HAVE IN THE BUDGET, UM, ALREADY. 
          AND SO, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, SOME OF THE LARGEST LINE ITEMS OF THAT, SO IT'D BE LIKE, WE'LL JUST CUT IT OUT, RIGHT? BUT SOME OF THE LARGEST PROJECTS OR UM, LINE ITEMS IN THAT ONE TIME ONGOING ARE LIKE STATE EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE SUBSIDY, SCHOOL FACILITY REPAIRS, K 12, LOW INCOME, ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE, DES CHILDCARE. 
          AND SO THAT MAKES UP ALMOST 600 MILLION OF THAT BILLION THAT'S THERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, JUST CUTTING THAT OUT IS WILL CAUSE A LOT OF OTHER KIND OF HEADACHES DOWN THE ROAD. 
          UM, AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT HR ONE AND JLBC, THERE'S A LINK THERE. 
          JLBC DID A GREAT ANALYSIS, UH, THAT DIVES INTO KIND OF WHERE ARE 
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ALL THE, THE CALL STRESS POINTS FROM HR ONE. 
          UM, AND I HAVE A SLIDE ON THAT ONE IN JUST A SECOND THAT WE'LL GO INTO. 
          UM, BUT JUST SOME GOOD NEWS ON THE BUDGET THAT MAKES IT NOT LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIVING IN 2009 AGAIN. 
          UM, WE HAVE A BUDGET STABILIZATION FUND BALANCE OF ALMOST ONE OF OVER $1.6 BILLION NOW WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED TO FOLKS, EVERYONE FROM THE GOVERNOR DOWN TO THE LEGISLATIVE LEADERS HAVE BEEN VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT EVER TOUCHING THOSE DOLLARS. 
          SO, UM, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD BE IN A, IN A BILLION DOLLAR HOLE DOES NOT SEEM TO BE A LOT OF INTEREST IN KIND OF USING THE STATE SAVINGS ACCOUNT. 
          UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE OF GOOD NEWS IS THAT IN HR ONE, UM, HR ONE PROVIDED 10 BILLION TO ALL OF THE STATES TO GET REIMBURSED FOR BORDER SECURITY COSTS SINCE 2021. 
          AND ARIZONA HAS APPLIED FOR $750 MILLION THAT WOULD GO TO THE STATE GENERAL FUND. 
          UM, THE ONLY CHALLENGE HERE IS WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS IS GOING TO, UM, BE PAID. 
          SO IT REALLY CAN'T BE USED IN BUDGETING UNLESS IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE CASH IN HAND. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          KATHY, BEFORE YOU GO ON, I HAVE A QUES I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, OH, YES MA'AM. 
          ARE, ARE WE BEING TARGETED AS AN UNFRIENDLY STATE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T PROVIDED SNAP DATA ON THE RECIPIENTS, AND WOULD THAT HAVE AN IMPACT ON WHETHER WE WOULD BE FUNDED? NOT, NOT YET. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT I'LL TALK ABOUT SNAP HERE IN JUST A SECOND OF LIKE SOME OF THE IMPACTS THERE. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK ARIZONA IS GOING TO BE, UM, IN THE POLITICAL CROSS HAIRS, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS, JUST BECAUSE NATIONALLY WHEN YOU TALK TO LIKE SOME OF THE NATIONAL POLITICAL GROUPS, UM, THEY, THEY VERY MUCH HAVE ARIZONA IN THEIR BULL RIDE EITHER TO KEEP US KIND OF A MORE PURPLE WITH, YOU KNOW, GOVERNOR, ATTORNEY GENERAL, SECRETARY OF STATE DEMOCRAT, OR ON THE, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, REPUBLICANS VERY MUCH WANT TO TURN THE STATE BACK TO RED AGAIN. 
          AND SO, UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY MUCH GOING TO BE KIND OF, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A POLITICAL FOOTBALL I THINK, UM, IN THAT. 
          AND, AND I COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, SNAP OR ICE OR SOME OF THOSE THINGS COMING INTO PLAY IF THEY THINK THAT IF THEY THAT EUPHEMISTIC THEY THINK THAT THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, MOVE THE NEEDLE, YOU KNOW, IN THE ELECTION. 
          AND SO THAT'S AGAIN, LIKE WHILE THE NATIONAL GROUPS FOR BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE ARE TALKING ABOUT OR CONCERNED WITH WHEN I TALK TO THEM. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT, SO JUST REALLY QUICK, I'LL RUN THROUGH AGAIN, THIS IS IN, IF THE LINK IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE YOU TO THIS, BUT HERE ARE SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS. 
          UM, SO JUST IN GENERAL, LIKE THE, FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, THE HR ONE IMPACTS COULD BE UP TO 459 MILLION AND FOR THE COMING FISCAL YEAR IT COULD BE 400 MILLION. 
          AND, UH, KIND OF DRILL DOWN ON THAT. 
          SO ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE'LL SEE SOME OF THAT IMPACT WILL BE, UM, THE REDUCE THE STATE 6% HOSPITAL PROVIDER TAX WHILE, AND WHILE THIS WON'T DIRECTLY IMPACT THE STATE GENERAL FUND, IT'S GONNA REDUCE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO HOSPITALS AND OTHER HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS. 
          AND SO I REPRESENT HONOR HEALTH AND SO RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO, UM, WORK OUT IT FEDERALLY AND, AND AT THE STATE LEVEL. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO ALSO YOU HAVE, UM, UH, THE ACCESS, UH, THE, THE COST TO IMPLEMENT THE MEDICAID WORK REQUIREMENT. 
          THEY'RE ASKING THE LEGISLATURE FOR $19 MILLION TO UPGRADE THEIR SYSTEMS AND FOR EMPLOYEES TO BE ABLE TO SATISFY THAT WORK REQUIREMENT THAT'S IN THERE. 
          AND THEN MAYOR, TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT SNACK, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE OF THE, THE CHALLENGES THAT THE STATE HAS RIGHT NOW IS THAT OUR SNAP ERROR RATE IS IN EXCESS OF 11% AND THE FEDS WANT YOUR ERROR RATE TO BE 6% OR LOWER. 
          AND IF YOU, IF YOU'RE ABOVE THAT 6%, THEN THEY COULD START SHIFTING THE COST SHARING THAT GOES INTO SNAP BENEFITS BACK TO SHIFTING A PORTION OF THAT BACK TO THE STATE. 
          AND SO THE CONCERN IS THAT, UM, THAT THAT COULD BE UP TO $200 MILLION, UH, IMPACT TO THE STATE IF WE CAN'T GET THAT ERROR RATE DOWN. 
          AND SO DES IS REQUESTING 26 MILLION TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO REDUCE THAT ERROR RATE. 
          UM, SO THAT'LL BE IN THE MIX OF THAT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GIVING THE DATA, ARE WE NOT, YOU KNOW, AND OUR ERROR RATE COULD COME INTO PLAY IN THAT, IN THAT CONVERSATION AND COULD 
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IMPACT AGAIN, THE GENERAL FUND IF THE, THE COST SHARING OF THAT PROGRAM, UM, IS SHIFTED BECAUSE OF THAT ERROR RATE. 
          SO NEXT SLIDE. 
          ALRIGHT, FEDERAL TAX CONFORMITY. 
          SO THE STATE TYPICALLY CONFORMS WITH THE FEDERAL TAX CODE. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, AND, AND AS YOU KNOW, THE, THE FEDERAL TAX RATE OR, UH, FEDERAL TAX, UM, GUIDELINES ARE KIND OF THE STARTING POINT FOR WHERE YOUR ARIZONA TAXES START. 
          AND SO, UM, SO IT'S KIND OF A BIG DEAL. 
          UM, THE GOVERNOR HAS COME OUT, UH, AND SAID THAT SHE WANTS TO SEE THAT TAX CONFORMITY, UM, HAPPEN AND THE LEGISLATURE KIND OF GOT A LITTLE PRICKLY WITH THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, NO, THAT REQUIRES LEGISLATIVE APPROVAL. 
          UM, BUT IT'S KIND OF AN ALL OR NOTHING. 
          SO THE GOVERNOR CAN CHOOSE TO DO ALL OF THE FEDERAL TAX CONFORMITY OR NONE OF IT, SO SHE CAN'T WHAT THEY CALL COMPARTMENTALIZE AND LIKE PICK AND CHOOSE SOME OF THOSE PIECES. 
          AND SO, SO THE LEGISLATURE IS REALLY KEEPING AN EYE ON LIKE WHAT A DOR DOES WITH THEIR, UM, WITH THEIR GUIDANCE DOCUMENTS FOR FILING ARIZONA TAXES. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN APRIL AND SO THE LEGISLATURE STARTED IN JANUARY. 
          THIS, THIS COULD BECOME, UH, A BIT OF A POLITICAL MESS DEPENDING ON WHAT THE GOVERNOR DOES HERE. 
          UM, AND SO, AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CONFORMITY ISSUES WOULD BE LIKE NO TAX ON TIPS, NO TAX ON OVERTIME. 
          UM, AND, AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH WHAT THEY DID IN HR ONE WITH THIS FEDERAL TAX ISSUES IS THAT THEY MADE IT RETROACTIVE. 
          AND SO, UM, THIS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE CONFORM COMPLETELY WITH IT, JLBC IS ESTIMATING IT COULD BE OVER $400 MILLION IMPACT IN THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. 
          SO KIND OF GOING BACK TO WHAT I SAID BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD 67 MILLION THAT THAT JLBC WAS SUGGESTING WE COULD SPEND NOVEMBER CAME IN BETTER, WHICH GAVE US MAYBE ANOTHER 180 MILLION THAT THEY'RE SAYING WE COULD SAFELY SPEND. 
          SO JUST IN THE FEDERAL TAX TERM CONFORMITY, IT WIPES OUT AND PUTS US IN THE RED, UM, JUST ON THIS ONE ISSUE ALONE IN THE BUDGET. 
          UM, AND THEN THAT TAX CONFORMITY GOING FORWARD ALSO HAS 300 PLUS MILLION DOLLAR IMPACTS IN THE NEXT SEVERAL FISCAL YEARS. 
          SO, UM, SO NOT NOT GREAT NEWS THERE. 
          AND WAS THERE A QUESTION? NO, JUST A COUGH. 
          GO AHEAD KATHY. 
          I'M SORRY, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? SORRY. 
          NO, SHE WAS JUST COUGHING. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          IT'S KIND OF HARD BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE EVERYONE REALLY GREAT, SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL, SO APOLOGIES. 
          ALRIGHT, SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          UM, SO THEN JUST WANTED TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE WATCHING FOR IS LEGISLATIVE REFERRALS. 
          SO THESE ARE BILLS, ESSENTIALLY HCR SDRS THEY GET INTRODUCED, UM, AND IF PASSED WITH A SIMPLE LEGISLATIVE MAJORITY, THEY GO STRAIGHT TO THE 2026 GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT. 
          NOW, THE REASON THAT I KIND OF FLAGGED THIS IS THAT PRESIDENT PETERSON, IN, IN CONVERSATIONS AND MEETINGS THAT I'VE BEEN IN WITH HIM, HE GETS ASKED THIS QUESTION AND HIS ESTIMATE IS THAT THERE COULD BE UP TO A DOZEN LEGISLATIVE REFERRALS ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT AND WHY HE WOULD SAY, WHY, WHY WOULD YOU WANT SO MANY LEGISLATIVE REFERRALS? AND THE ANSWER IS, IS THAT ONE, IT'S CHEAPER THAN DOING A CITIZEN INITIATIVE. 
          IT'S MORE CERTAIN THAN A CITIZEN INITIATIVE BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURES PASS LAWS THAT MAKE IT KIND VERY DIFFICULT FOR CITIZEN INITIATIVES TO MAKE IT OVER THE FINISH LINE TO BE ON THE BALLOT. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE TO DO LEGISLATIVE REFERRALS. 
          AND THEN KINDA LASTLY, UM, LEGISLATIVE REFERRALS HAVE BEEN A WAY FOR THE LEGISLATURE TO LEVERAGE WITH THE GOVERNOR. 
          SO THINK LIKE ON ELECTION BILLS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR AND THE LEGISLATURE ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE OF ELECTION LAW CHANGES. 
          UM, AND SO THE LEGISLATURE JUST SAYS, WELL, FINE, THEN WE WILL JUST, IF YOU DON'T WANNA NEGOTIATE WITH US OR YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO VETO OUR BILLS ON ELECTION LAW, THEN WE'LL JUST GO TO THE VOTERS. 
          AND SO WE COULD SEE THAT HAPPENING A LOT IN THIS NEXT ELECTION OR, OR IN THIS NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 
          UM, BUT WHAT'S ALREADY ON THE BALLOTS, UM, THAT WAS PASSED IN 2025 IS A BILL, UM, DEALING WITH BASICALLY SAYING THAT DRUG CARTELS ARE TARIFFS OR ORGANIZATIONS, AND THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION THAT THEY WOULD ASK, UH, OBVIOUSLY ALL THE CITIZENS IN THE ELECTION TO 
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DETERMINE IF THAT'S HOW WE WANT TO VIEW DRUG CARTELS. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE IS, UH, UH, THE NEXT STEP IS PROHIBITING, UH, A FOOD TAX. 
          UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE LEGISLATURE GOT RID OF THE, UM, UH, RENTAL TAX, NOW THEY'RE GOING AFTER THE FOOD TAX AND THEY DID THIS VIA LEGISLATIVE REFERRAL. 
          AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS, THAT'S ON THE BALLOT WILL BE, UH, TO PREVENT THE STATE OR MUNICIPALITIES FROM CHARGING A VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED TAX. 
          UM, AND SO THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONVERSATIONS OR INTEREST IN MOVING AWAY FROM LIKE JUST A STRAIGHT VLT BASED ON YOUR VALUE OF YOUR CAR AND MOVING IT TOWARDS THIS, UH, HOW MANY MILES DO YOU DRIVE EVERY, EVERY YEAR. 
          UM, KATHY, IT SEEMS TO BE MORE OF A CONCERN OF REPUBLICANS IN THE LEGISLATURE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE, BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE THE ONES SPONSORING THOSE BILLS. 
          BUT WHEN I, WHEN I TALK TO LIKE THE TRUCKING ASSOCIATION OR YOU KNOW, OTHER GROUPS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT THE LEGISLATURE MAY TRY TO DO, UH, A VEHICLE, UH, MILEAGE TAX, BUT I'VE NO, I, I'VE SEEN NO BILLS THAT SAY WE WANT TO DO A MILEAGE TAX. 
          SO THERE'S, I I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IN FRONT OF AN ISSUE HERE WITH THIS ONE. 
          KATHY, I HAVE A QUESTION THAT ARE ON THE BALLOT, AND LIKE I SAID, WE CAN ANTICIPATE QUITE A FEW. 
          AND THEN THIS AS A POLICY NERD, LET ME JUST TELL YOU WHY I PRETTY MUCH DO NOT LIKE ANY VALID INITIATIVES BECAUSE ONCE THEY ARE, UH, APPROVED BY THE VOTERS, THEY BECOME VOTER PROTECTED AND THEN IT REQUIRES ONE, THERE'S LIKE A COOLING OFF PERIOD, UM, OF WHERE NO ONE CAN TOUCH OR CHANGE ANYTHING THAT THE VOTERS APPROVED. 
          AND THEN ONCE THAT TIME PERIOD, UM, EXPIRES, THEN YOU CAN ONLY MAKE CHANGES TO THE LA THAT BALLOT LANGUAGE WITH A THREE-FOUR MAJORITY VOTE, WHICH IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT IN THIS DAY AND AGE. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU CAN ONLY FURTHER THE INITIATIVE. 
          SO YOU CAN'T TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM IT. 
          YOU CAN ONLY FURTHER THE INTENT OF WHAT THE BALLOT INITIATIVE WAS. 
          AND SO IT MAKES IT, FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, VERY TRICKY IF YOU EVER NEED TO KINDA, I DUNNO, UH, MAKE SOME CHANGES IN THAT AREA. 
          AND, UH, AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THIS, JUST, IT TOOK I THINK FOUR YEARS TO GET A MARIJUANA ADVERTISING BILL PASSED. 
          AND BASICALLY ALL IT SAID WAS, IS LIKE, LOOK, YOU CAN'T MARKET TO CHILDREN, RIGHT? SO NO SANTA SMOKING A JOINT ON A BILLBOARD, YOU KNOW, AND THAT, AND THAT WAS WHAT THE BILL WAS SAYING, AND IT TOOK FOUR YEARS TO GET A THREE-FOUR MAJORITY VOTE ON THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS JUST, YOU JUST ONLY NEED SUCH A SMALL, UH, MINORITY OF THE VOTE TO KILL IT. 
          AND SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S MY, LIKE WHY I DON'T LIKE BALLOT IN, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACTS OF BALLOT INITIATIVES. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, NEXT UP. 
          WELL, KATHY, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          HI, THIS IS KATHY KINSELLA. 
          UM, ON THE PROHIBITION FOR TAXES ON VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED, HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT OR INTERFACE WITH BILLS THAT MAY SURFACE TRYING TO RECOUP SOME INCOME FROM ELECTRIC VEHICLE CARS THAT AREN'T CONTRIBUTING INTO HF? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, UH, IT'S, THEY'RE NOT, WE'RE PAYING TAXES AT THE GAS PUMP IF YOU HAVE A FUEL VEHICLE, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT LATER, BUT HOW, HOW WOULD THIS PROHIBITION FURTHER KEEP, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLES FROM POTENTIALLY PAYING A FAIR SHARE TOWARD USER COSTS OF ROAD MAINTENANCE? WELL, I THINK IT, WE MOVING TO A, UH, A MILEAGE TAX VERSUS A BLT TAX WOULD ABSOLUTELY, UM, HELP WITH HER FUNDING. 
          UM, BECAUSE I THINK AT LEAST I, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN, OR I, I NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT, BUT, UM, BUT I THINK IT'S AGNOSTIC TO FUEL SOURCE, SO IT, IT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT COULD, THAT COULD BE HELPFUL. 
          UM, BUT, UH, BUT I'LL HAVE, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT BILL A LITTLE BIT DEEPER TO SEE IF IT WOULD, WHAT IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES, RIGHT? I I I'M JUST, IF IT'S A PROHIBITION ON VEHICLE MILES TRAVEL, RIGHT, THEN THAT WOULD PREEMPT A WAY TO POTENTIALLY TAP INTO FUNDS FROM ELECTRIC VEHICLE CARS, RIGHT? YEAH, CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, IT WOULD BE A WAY TO BACK, BACK INTO GETTING THEM TO PAY BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE DRIVING ON THE ROAD THE OPPOSITE. 
          WHEREAS TODAY THEY REALLY DON'T BECAUSE THEIR DLT 
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IS SO, YOU KNOW, UM, LOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANY, ANY OTHER? OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, SO MOVING ON TO, UM, LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES AGENDA. 
          UM, SO THIS IS NEW FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA. 
          SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE INTENT OF THIS IS TO, UM, AND THE INTENT OF THIS WAS JUST TO, UM, BE KIND OF THE OVERRIDING THE GUIDING DOCUMENT THAT LAUREN AND MYSELF AND ANNETTE AND KURT AND EVERYONE COULD KIND OF WEIGH, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT POSITIONS OR WHAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO THE COUNCIL. 
          UM, AND SO MANY CITIES HAVE LIKE A LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES OR A LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, UM, THAT THEY USE KIND OF AS THAT LENS TO LOOK AT BILLS. 
          UM, AND, AND TO USE THAT TO KIND OF GO BACK TO WE'RE BRINGING THIS BILL TO YOU BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LEGISLATIVE AGENDA ITEM, YOU KNOW, THREE, UH, OR YOU KNOW, ONE, IT SAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE OPPOSED TO BILLS PREEMPTING THE CITY. 
          UH, AND SO IT'S AGAIN, JUST A WAY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL, UH, HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE, HOW WE VIEW BILLS AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THEM. 
          AND THEY'RE THINKING WE COULD HAVE UPWARDS OF 2000 BILLS INTRODUCED THIS COMING YEAR. 
          SO KIND OF HAVING THIS, UH, LENS, I THINK WOULD BE, WOULD BE A GOOD THING. 
          AND SO NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND SO YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE A DOCUMENT, UM, THAT, THAT KIND OF SPELLS THIS OUT IN GREATER DETAIL. 
          UM, BUT BASICALLY, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT LANGUAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, ANY, ANY, ANY BILLS THAT PREEMPT LOCAL AUTHORITY OR EXPAND STATE CONTROL OVER LOCAL AFFAIR AFFAIRS, WE WOULD, UH, BE OPPOSED TO, UM, THE AGENDA CALLS ON US DEFENDING RESIDENTIAL, UH, QUALITY OF LIFE, UM, BY STRENGTHENING, UH, LOCAL ZONING. 
          SO THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, STR KIND OF FITS INTO, UM, AND DEFENDS THE, UH, DEFENDANTS CITY'S AUTHORITY TO MANAGE ITS PERSONNEL AND OPERATIONS LOCALLY, UM, SUPPORT SHORT TERM RENTAL LEGISLATION, REPEAL SB 1487, UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A FEW 1487 COMPLAINTS, SO I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THAT, BUT IF ANYONE NEEDS ME TO GO OVER THAT, I'M HAPPY, HAPPY TO TAKE A SECOND TO DO THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN REPEAL THE CURRENT, UM, EXPENDITURE LIMITATION FORMULA, UM, AND RECALCULATE IT SO IT BETTER SUITS, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMUNITIES LIKE OURS THAT HAVE A HIGHER TOURISM POPULATION. 
          UM, KATHY, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ON WHETHER, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE WE, WOULD WE BE LOOKING TO GET SPONSORS AS AN EXAMPLE TO REPEAL 1487 AND WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THE LEGISLATURE WOULD BE WILLING TO REPEAL IT CONSIDERING THEY USE IT AS A LEVERAGE AGAINST CITIES AND TOWNS? YEAH, SO I, I THINK THIS ONE IS MORE OF A FEEL GOOD, UM, THAT I, I THINK THAT THAT THE CHANCE OF REPEALING 1487 IN THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS PROBABLY CLOSE TO ZERO. 
          UM, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT MOST MUNICIPAL LEGISLATIVE AGENDAS HAVE SOME NOD TOWARDS REPEALING 1487. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO IT WOULD ALLOW US TO, TO TAKE A POSITION, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE, UH, PROPOSING IT AND WE WOULDN'T BE ASKING OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION TO, TO UH, INTRODUCE A BILL. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH, IT'S, IT, IT'S MORE, I MEAN, I'LL PUT IT IN THE CATEGORY OF LIKE FEEL GOOD, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S LIKE I WILL, I'LL SAY THAT MOST MUNICIPAL LEGISLATIVE AGENDAS, UH, SPEAK TO SOMETHING ON 1487 AND IT'S GENERALLY REPEAL IT. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHY IT'S ON THERE. 
          UM, BUT IF THAT'S UNCOMFORTABLE OR, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T MEAN TO SUGGEST THAT WE WOULD BE RUNNING A BILL ON IT, IT WAS JUST MORE KIND OF A, UM, GENERALIZATION OF THE THINGS THAT WE KIND OF VALUE OR THAT WE ARE CONCERNED WITH AT THE LEGISLATURE. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW WHAT ABOUT THOUGH THE, THE NEXT ITEM, THE CURRENT EXPENDITURE LIMITATION FORMULA. 
          IS THERE ANY APPETITE TO CHANGE THAT, DO YOU THINK? I, I I DON'T THINK, UH, THAT THERE'S MUCH APPETITE ON THAT. 
          UM, AND, AND SO WE'VE TALKED TO, I'VE TALKED TO THE LEAGUE OF CITIES, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THIS AND WELL, THIS IS PROBABLY, IT WOULD BE FRUSTRATING TO TELL YOU, BUT THEY JUST DON'T THINK THE TIME IS RIGHT TO DO SOMETHING ON THAT CURRENTLY. 
          UM, BUT I THINK PUTTING IT ON THERE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE CAN WE'LL SHARE OUR LEGISLATIVE 
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AGENDA WITH THE LEAGUE AFTERWARDS, IT KIND OF KEEPS IT, UM, IN THE DISCUSSION, UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, AS THESE THINGS GO. 
          UM, SO YEAH, AGAIN, IT'S MORE MAYBE A WISHLIST, REPEAL 1487 AND THE EXPENDITURE LIMITATION MIGHT BE MORE WISHLIST ITEMS ON THIS LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, BUT I THINK IT KIND OF KEEPS PEOPLE ON NOTICE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, THOSE ARE AREAS OF CONCERN FOR US. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU KATHY. 
          THIS IS KATHY AGAIN. 
          UM, OKAY, SO I WANNA GO BACK TO ITEM B ON THAT UNDER DEFENDING LOCAL AUTHORITY, WHICH IS DEFEND RESIDENTIAL QUALITY OF LIFE BY STRENGTHENING THE CITY'S LOCAL ZONING AND LAND USE AUTHORITIES, INCREASING NEIGHBOR, INCREASING NEIGHBORING RESIDENT AND PROPERTY OWNER PARTICIPATION AND REZONING DECISIONS. 
          DO WE NEED TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR ALSO THAT I THINK WE WOULD WANT TO TAKE ANY POSITION OPPOSING ANY BILLS THAT WOULD WANT, THAT WOULD REDUCE, UM, UH, PARTICIPATION, CITIZEN PARTICIPATION? I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT JUST PROACTIVELY, I MEAN, IT'S GREAT TO BE PROACTIVELY GOING AGAINST, UM, TRYING TO, UH, STRENGTHEN, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE OPPOSE ANY WEAKENING. 
          YEAH, I MEAN THE SIMPLE WAY TO DO THAT WOULD JUST BE WE THAT WE, UM, AND JUST PUT OPPOSE IN IN THAT SENTENCE. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, SO JUST KIND OF WORDSMITH IT. 
          YES, I AGREE. 
          UM, TO, TO, TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE WORD OPPOSE APPEARS THERE SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON POLICY. 
          THAT'S THE MAIN POINT. 
          YEP. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE PLACE TO PUT IT. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF THAT OVERRIDING DOCUMENT, KIND OF THE, THE HOLY GRAIL THAT LIKE LAUREN AND I WILL USE TO VIEW ALL LEGISLATION. 
          SO I THINK HAVING THAT CLARITY WOULD BE, WOULD BE GOOD COUNSELING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND THEN NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE GENERIC, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE WANT TO PROTECT STEADY FUNDING. 
          SO PROTECT STATE SHARED REVENUES FROM ANY REDUCTION OR SWEEPS. 
          UM, AND SO WHILE FOLKS HAVEN'T SINCE THE RECESSION REALLY HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT REDUCING STATE SHARED REVENUES, IT ALWAYS REMAINS KIND OF ALL THE CITIES REMAIN ON HIGH ALERT ABOUT STATE SHARED REVENUES. 
          UM, UH, YOU KNOW, AND SO WHENEVER THERE'S A BUDGET MONEY AND THINGS ARE GONNA GET TIGHT, UH, AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, TIGHTENING THEIR BELT, UM, EVERYONE, EVERY MUNICIPAL LOBBYIST GETS VERY NERVOUS ABOUT STATE SHARED REVENUE. 
          SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT IS WHY THAT ONE IS ON THERE. 
          UM, SAME THING WITH PROJECTED INCREASED HF REVENUES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE CITIES, UM, YOU KNOW, UN OPPOSED UNFUNDED MANDATES, THAT'S KIND OF A NO-BRAINER. 
          UM, SO, AND GREATER, UH, LOOKING AT GREATER FLEXIBILITY FOR US ON LOCAL BOND ISSUES, UM, AND MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE APPLICATION AND USE OF LOCAL IMPACT FEES. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST ON THAT AGAIN IMPACTS, UH, ON, ON, ON B ABOUT THE HEAR F CAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME KATHY? A LITTLE BIT. 
          I'M HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          ON TO B AGAIN ABOUT THE HEAR FI JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT A, UH, THAT WE'RE ADOPTING A POLICY THERE THAT WOULD, UM, AN AGENDA THAT WOULD, UM, ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OPPOSING ANYTHING THAT RE REDUCE THE ABILITY TO START TAPPING INTO FUNDS FROM EV, FROM EVS. 
          I JUST, WHEN I'M GOING BACK TO, I'M TYING THIS TOGETHER WITH THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT ONE ISN'T THINKING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T PARTICULARLY CALL OUT ELECTRIC VEHICLES BATTERY OPERATED, YOU KNOW, BUT A AND IT, I JUST, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON WHAT WE ARE AUTHORIZING IN TERMS OF OUR AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN GO FORTH AND RESPOND QUICKLY ON THESE ITEMS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? GOTCHA. 
          YEAH. 
          IT OKAY. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND IF, IF YOU HAVE A SENTENCE OR MM-HMM . 
          SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO VERY CLEARLY SPELL THAT OUT, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY ADD IT TO THE AGENDA BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE ON YOUR COUNCIL AGENDA. 
          IT'S NEXT WEEK, UM, FOR YOU GUYS TO APPROVE. 
          YEP. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEEK. 
          NEXT MEETING IN, YOU MEAN THE ONE ON CHRISTMAS DAY ? YEAH. 
          NEXT REGULAR MEETING BEFORE YOU FOR THE WHOLE COUNCIL TO APPROVE. 
          UM, SO I'M TRYING TO TAKE NOTES AND CAPTURE. 
          SO, SO, SO IF YOU SEND ME LANGUAGE, I CAN PUT IT ON YOU IF YOU TELL ABSOLUTELY. 
          HE'S JUST TRYING TO CAPTURE IN THERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR INTENTION WAS. 
          I WILL, I'LL WRITE IT LATER. 
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ALRIGHT, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          UM, SO THIS IS MORE OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SLIDE HERE. 
          UM, SO SUPPORTING, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SUPPORTING ADOT FUNDING FOR LOCAL ROADS, UM, WASTEWATER PLANT UPGRADES, UM, AFFORDABLE AND ACCESSIBLE FIRE INSURANCE COV COVERAGE FOR SEDONA RESIDENTS. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THAT WE WOULD RUN A BILL ON THESE THINGS, BUT THAT WE ANTICIPATE WE COULD SEE LEGISLATION ON THIS AND THAT WE WOULD, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, USE THIS TO TAKE A POSITION ON THOSE OR, OR I SHOULD SAY BRING A POSITION TO COUNCIL FOR YOU ALL TO APPROVE. 
          ALL RIGHT, NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, KATHY GOING BACK, UH, THIS IS IN THAT, UH, WASTEWATER PLANT UPGRADES. 
          COULD WE ADD SOMETHING ALSO FOR, UH, FOR ANY, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS THAT REQUIRE, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A PLANT UPGRADE, BUT REQUIRE MORE PROCESSING? OR SHOULD THAT BE UNDERWRITING FOUR? UH, UM, YEAH, WE, NO, THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          ADD SOMETHING IN THERE ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE ON THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST FOR PLAN UPGRADES. 
          I WANTED TO BROADEN THAT BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TO DO THE ADDITIONAL TESTING OR ADDITIONAL REMEDIATION OR THE THINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FOR, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TO IMPLEMENT THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS YES. 
          REGARDING PFAS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND SO YOUR POSITION WOULD BE YOU SUPPORT DOING THAT. 
          YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THOSE SUPPORT. 
          YOU SUPPORT, UM, A DEQ, HAVING STANDARDS AROUND, UM, REMOVING TOXINS OR NO FUNDING. 
          FUNDING. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT FUNDING. 
          FUNDING TO SUPPORT FOR MAINTENANCE, NOT JUST IMPROVEMENTS. 
          WELL, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT OR MAINTENANCE TESTING FUNDING TO ASSIST MUNICIPALITIES IN IMPLEMENTING NEW FEDERAL WATER STANDARDS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          FEDERAL SLASH STATE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YEAH, WE KNOW WE CAN ADD SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO THIS IS JUST PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          UM, AND, AND AGAIN, THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING IF YOU ALL WANT TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE MEAT TO THIS, UM, BUT REALLY WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE FOREST HEALTH, UM, AND WILDFIRE RISK. 
          UM, BUT HAPPY TO ADD MORE TO IT IF, IF SOMEONE FEELS WE, WE NEED TO ADD TO IT. 
          BUT IT WAS JUST, AGAIN, TRYING TO ANTICIPATE ISSUES AND THINGS THAT WE SEE COMING AND THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE STATE. 
          UH, I'M GONNA ASK COUNCILOR FURMAN IF HE THINKS THERE SHOULD BE ANYTHING IN THIS SECTION SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING WATER. 
          THANKS, KATHY. 
          AND I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OFFHAND. 
          MY OWN, MY THOUGHT WAS GOING BACK TO THE POTENTIAL FOR MASSIVE STATE LAND SALES FIRE, YOU KNOW, WHICH GOES BACK THAT LAND TRUST OPTION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          DO YOU THINK THERE'S A PIECE, LIKE A SENTENCE THAT WOULD UNDER HERE, UNDER THIS SECTION THAT WOULD CAPTURE WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE AND, AND I'M NOT GOOD AT CRAFTED LEGISLATION FROM THE  OR, OR A SENTENCE I WOULDN'T KNOW BECAUSE THERE'S POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES THAT COULD COME WITH IT AS WELL. 
          AND MOSTLY KATHY, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE GREAT BIG BLOCK OF STATE TRUST LAND THAT, UH, EXISTS TO THE WEST OF OUR MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES, UH, AND THE IMPACTS THAT THAT MIGHT HAVE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A RAID OR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ISSUE YOU TALKED ABOUT AT THE START ABOUT THE LAND TRUST DEPARTMENT AND WHAT PRESSURE MIGHT BE PUT ON IT TO DO ONE THING OR ANOTHER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, KATHY, LET ME THINK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAY THERE. 
          KATHY, THIS IS ANNETTE. 
          IS THIS A SPOT WHERE WE MIGHT SAY SOMETHING IF THE COUNCIL WAS INTERESTED AROUND FUNDING FOR THE STATE PARKS DEPARTMENT OR PROTECTION OF, 
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UM, PUBLIC ASSETS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES? I DON'T KNOW. 
          WE DO HAVE SOME PARTNERSHIP WITH THE STATE PARKS DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW THAT IS HELPING US WITH, UM, TRAILS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE. 
          SO, SO KATHY, THIS IS, YEAH, NO, IF I CAN, IF I CAN JUMP IN ON THAT AS WELL. 
          I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER WAYS TO THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          IT'S, IT'S, SORRY, I'M AS CLOSE AS I CAN GET TO THIS MIC, GUYS. 
          UM, SO, UM, I THINK WHAT THE CITY MANAGER'S TALKING ABOUT IS CORRECT. 
          THERE IS CONCERN, UM, THAT THE STATE FOR BUDGETARY REASONS WILL SWEEP THE STATE, UM, PARKS FUNDING, WHICH THEY GET FROM THE DECAL SALE OF DECALS ON OHVS AND WHOSE MONIES ARE THEN USED TO PROTECT AND RESTORE THE LAND BECAUSE OF OHV DAMAGE THAT THAT MONEY WILL GET SWEPT INTO THE BUDGET AND THAT FUNDING WILL GO AWAY. 
          UM, AND THEREFORE, WE WHO HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC LANDS HERE THAT ARE POTENTIALLY BEING DAMAGED AND ARE BEING DAMAGED BY OHV, UM, ABUSES, UH, WILL NOT HAVE THOSE GRANTS TO HELP US FIX THOSE LANDS AND TAKE CARE OF THOSE LANDS BECAUSE, UH, FOREST NATIONAL FOREST, OF COURSE, CANNOT APPLY FOR THOSE GRANTS. 
          UM, SO SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINES, I THINK IS WHAT YOU, YOU KNOW, WAS ONE REFERRAL. 
          ANOTHER, JUST, I SUPPORT THAT. 
          JUST TO, TO ANOTHER ASPECT OF THIS IS, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT ON PUBLIC LANDS. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S ISSUES RIGHT NOW. 
          GSRC IS REWRITING, UM, SOME LAWS THAT ARE LIKE HELMET LAWS. 
          THERE'S, THERE ARE TWO HELMET LAWS APPARENTLY THAT, UH, CONFLICT IN, IN THE STATE. 
          AND ONE OF THEM SAYS THAT IF YOU'RE, UH, THE ONE THAT GSRC GOT PASSED LAST TIME SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE A OVER 18 TO NOT WEAR A HELMET. 
          THE OTHER ONE SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE TO WEAR A HELMET REGARDLESS OF YOUR AGE. 
          THEY USE THAT LAW ABOUT BEING OVER 18 TO STOP PEOPLE IN OHVS WHO ARE BEHAVING BADLY. 
          THEY NEED A REASON TO STOP THEM BEFORE THEY CAN THEN ISSUE OTHER FINES ON THE DAMAGE THAT THEY'RE CAUSING. 
          AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THESE LAWS AND LIGHTS, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE HEADLAMPS. 
          UM, OHVS DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE HEADLAMPS. 
          THEY PUT WHIP LAMP LIGHTS ON THE BACK. 
          UM, AND SO YOU, AND THEY COME OUT, THEY GO OUT THE FOREST AT NIGHT AND DESTROY THE TRAILS AND GO OFF THE TRAILS, UM, BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY HAVE ENOUGH LIGHT. 
          SO LAWS LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE AS A GROUP WANT TO ALSO PUT INTO HERE TO SAY THAT WE ARE FOR LAWS THAT DO THAT BECAUSE ALL, ULTIMATELY THAT'S HOW LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS THE RIGHT TO STOP BAD BEHAVIOR ON THE, THE OHV TRAILS, IF THAT MADE ANY SENSE TO ANYONE. 
          SORRY, KATHY, I INTERRUPTED YOU. 
          NO, I, YEAH. 
          I WOULD SUPPORT BOTH OF YOUR POINTS THAT WE PUT IN SOMETHING THAT SAYS PROTECTION OF PUBLIC ASSETS, INCLUDING, UM, LAWS TO PREVENT, PROTECT THE, THE, THE PUBLIC LANDS AND PUBLIC SAFETY ON THOSE PUBLIC LANDS. 
          SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I MEAN, ANTHONY, YOU COULD WORDSMITH THAT DOWN INTO, AND WHAT ABOUT, YEAH, NO, I, I, I LIKE THAT. 
          AND WHAT ABOUT OUR CONTINUED OPPOSITION TO THE INCREASED WEIGHT OF OHVS? MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'M SURE THEY'LL BE BACK RIGHT UNTIL THEY GET IT. 
          THIS WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO PUT THAT OHV, UH, IF THE, UH, WEIGHT LIMIT. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THAT'S IT ON, ON THE FOURTH SECTION, I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A FIFTH SECTION. 
          KATHY? YES, MA'AM. 
          UH, FOR ELECTION LAW CHANGES, I THINK ANY ELECTION LAW CHANGES, UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE TAKING POSITIONS ON ANYTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT OUR CITIZENS, OUR LOCAL CONSTITUENTS, FROM BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE, SUCH AS REDUCTIONS THAT ARE OFTEN PROPOSED TO VOTE BY MAIL LIMITATIONS AND LIST PRESERVATION OF BEING ABLE TO REGISTER ONCE AND GET ON A LIST FOR VOTE BY MAIL. 
          SO I'D LIKE THAT IN THERE. 
          AND ALSO, ANYTHING THAT WOULD, AND AGAIN, MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE, UM, THAT WOULD CREATE BARRIERS TO REGISTRATION. 
          'CAUSE THOSE OFTEN COME ON, UH, 
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COME UP AS WELL. 
          SO A VOTER PROTECTION SECTION FOR ELECTION LAW CHANGES. 
          COULD I GET A SENSE OF COUNCIL SUPPORT FOR THAT? YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU CAN EVEN TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT, UM, I WOULD THROW IN SOMETHING ABOUT GERRYMANDERING. 
          IF THE, IF OUR LEGISLATURE IS TRYING TO PUT FORWARD ANYTHING THAT WOULD GERRYMANDERED TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM VOTING OR RE REDESIGN IT, LIKE IN INDIANA, THAT, UM, WE AT LEAST BE MADE AWARE OF IT AND WE GO ON AS ON THE RECORD, AS OPPOSING ANY, ANY, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BECOME A BARRIER ULTIMATELY. 
          AREN'T WE ALREADY JURY MANAGER THOUGH? I THINK WE LOST HER. 
          OH, THAT'S FINE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THAT'S FINE. 
          WE WE'RE TAKING NOTES AND THIS WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL, SO. 
          NO, I KNOW. 
          I MEAN, BUT IN ORDER TO GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION, I THINK RIGHT NOW IT NEEDS TO BE, I THINK WE'RE ALL SORT OF, YOU'RE THE FINE TUNER COMBINED. 
          OKAY. 
          WE DO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT REDISTRICTING COMMISSION IN THE STATE. 
          SO THAT'S A BIT THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          NOT ALWAYS GO TO CALIFORNIA. 
          LOOK AT THAT AS MORE SHE'S IN THE CONSTITUTION, RIGHT? OR VOTER APPROVED. 
          ONE OF THE TWO. 
          YEAH, VOTER APPROVED. 
          IT'S THE PART I WORRY ABOUT. 
          NO, NO. 
          I MEAN, IT WOULD NEED IT'S CONSTITUTIONAL, IT'S, YES, IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT WOULD REQUIRE A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO CHANGE IT, IT THAT, WHICH IS WHAT CALIFORNIA DID THAT VOTE? DID THE VOTE, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT ARIZONA WAS THAT PROGRESSIVE QUESTION. 
          WELL, IT'S NOT A VERY GOOD LAW. 
          BUT , THE IDEA WAS PROGRESSIVE. 
          YES. 
          THE IDEA WAS VERY PROGRESSIVE IMPLEMENTATION. 
          FURTHER LEVEL, THERE'S ONLY FIVE MEMBERS. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, WHILE WE'RE, AND THE INDEPENDENT IS ALWAYS THE DECIDING VOTE THAT INDEPENDENT CITIZENS USUALLY HAS. 
          NO, IT COULD BE EITHER ONE. 
          MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR KATHY TO REJOIN US ON THE, YOUR OTHER PAGE, UNLESS THERE WAS MORE TO TALK, OR WE CAN WAIT FOR HER TO GO OVER ANY OTHER ONES. 
          BUT ON THE COUNCIL PROTOCOLS, GUIDELINES, AND LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS, THIS IS GENERALLY HOW IT'S BEEN WORKING. 
          THE, YOUR CITY DESIGNATED LOBBYISTS, UM, WHICH BEEN MYSELF FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE'LL REGISTER ON OCCASION IN THE RTS IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF A BILL BEFORE IT CAN COME TO COUNCIL. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S SOME PRESSURE AND TIME CONSTRAINTS. 
          BUT WHAT I LAID OUT BEFORE EVERYONE WAS, WE, I'D LIKE TO ALSO ADOPT THAT FOR, UM, CITY, UH, REVIEW OF PROPOSED BILL. 
          SO A HANDFUL OF TIMES EACH LEGISLATIVE SESSION, UH, AND MAYBE UP TO A DOZEN TIMES, THE LEAGUE WILL REACH OUT, OR INDIVIDUAL LEGISLATORS WILL, WILL REACH OUT AND SAY, HEY, CITI, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT X BILL? AND SO THE BILL I HAVE HANDED TO YOU AS A ONE EXAMPLE. 
          I HEAR YOU NOW. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          YOU GUYS FROZE. 
          YEAH, . 
          THANKS CHRISTINE. 
          UM, WE CAN LET KATHY FINISH UP. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE ALL RECONNECTED, KATHY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHERE WE WERE IS, UH, MELISSA HAD RAISED, UH, SEVERAL ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGES, WHICH ARE BEING CAPTURED BY STAFF. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT A FIFTH AREA OF ELECTION, UH, RESTRICTING ELECTIONS, LIMITING ELECTION, UH, THE ABILITY TO CAST YOUR VOTE, UH, MELISSA HAD ALL ALSO ADDED SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, GERRYMANDERING OR REDISTRICTING. 
          WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          WHEN YOU, UH, LEFT , KATHY, DID YOU CATCH ALL OF THE SECTION FIVE ELECTION LAW CHANGES, OR, YEAH, I GOT THE VOTE BY MAIL. 
          UM, I, I JUST, I I DID NOT HEAR ABOUT THE GERRYMANDERING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU GOT THE ANY BARRIERS TO REGISTRATION? YOU GOT THAT TOO. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SAY THAT ONE AGAIN. 
          BARRIERS TO REGISTRATION? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MELISSA, WHY DON'T YOU THEN, OKAY. 
          RAISE YOUR ISSUE. 
          WELL, APPARENTLY IT'S NOT AN ISSUE FROM WHAT YOU GUYS WERE SAYING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST HAVE CONCERN WATCHING WHAT'S GOING ON ACROSS THE, THE, THE COUNTRY AROUND, UM, ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DEAL WITH REDISTRICTING OR GERRYMANDERING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OPPOSED TO ANY SUCH CHANGE. 
          BUT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE CONVERSATION IS, THERE'RE ALREADY SORT OF CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION AGAINST THAT. 
          I, I THINK IT'S AN, AN ISSUE. 
          IT'S JUST NOT AN ISSUE VIA STATE LEGISLATION, SINCE IT'S CODIFIED IN THE CONSTITUTION WITH THE, YOU KNOW, STAND UP FOR OUR CITIZENS ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL THROUGH A 
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DIFFERENT MECHANISM RATHER THAN THROUGH BILLS HERE. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, MELISSA? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT, SO YOU'VE GOT A FIVE A AND A FIVE B SO FAR. 
          ARE YOU HEARING ANYTHING ABOUT ANY POSSIBLE DESIGNS AROUND, UH, MID-CENTURY, MID DECADE, UH, REDISTRICTING EFFORTS? I MEAN, WE HAVE A PROCESS IN THE CONSTITUTION, SO, YEAH, I, I HAVE NOT, UM, I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY OF THAT. 
          AND TO YOUR POINT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE DID, YOU KNOW, PASS THE REDISTRICTING POSITION, SO IT, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THAT LIKE IT'S PASSED BY THE VOTERS. 
          SO ANY CHANGES TO OR REQUIRE A THREE-FOUR MAJORITY VOTE, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, ON THIS ISSUE TO, TO GET ANYTHING PASSED. 
          SO I, I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING, UM, ABOUT TRYING TO MANUFACTURE MORE CONGRESSIONAL SEATS OR, UH, YOU KNOW, OR, OR DIFFERENT, UH, DISTRICTS, BUT COULD SEE SOMETHING. 
          BUT I, I DON'T THINK THAT I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE WILL. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE, IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS, UM, LAUREN AND I PUT TOGETHER, UH, KIND OF, UH, THE, THE PROTOCOLS AND GUIDELINES FOR LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, INTENDED TO BE A GUIDE TO STAFF AND LOBBYISTS, UM, LEGISLATIVE PROCESS TO ENSURE WE HAVE TRANSPARENCY. 
          AND YOU GUYS KIND OF KNOW WE ALL, WE ALL KNOW THE RULES OF THE ROAD OF HOW THE CITY IS GONNA TAKE BUILD POSITION. 
          SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO, UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS IS, IS THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO TAKE IT POSITION, OR FOR THE CITY TO TAKE CITY TO DON, TO TAKE A POSITION ON A BILL THAT WOULD BE APPROVED, UM, BY COUNSEL, UM, PRIOR TO STAFF OR ROLE LOBBY, UM, ADVOCATING, UH, FOR, UH, A POSITION AT THE CAPITOL. 
          UM, NOW HAVING SAID THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, SOMETIMES RAPID RESPONSES ARE NECESSARY, UM, BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF COUNCIL MEETINGS AND THE TIMING OF WHEN YOU SEE AGENDAS AND LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEES ARE MEETING. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT LIKE, UH, JANUARY THROUGH END OF MARCH TIMEFRAME IS A VERY, LIKE, NOT ONLY VOLATILE, BUT THE, THE VOLUME OF BILLS AND THINGS SHOWING UP ON COMMITTEE AGENDAS, UH, IS, IS PRETTY GREAT. 
          AND SO IN THE EVENT THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO ANTICIPATE BILLS THAT WERE GONNA BE IN COMMITTEE THAT WE MAY WANNA TAKE A POSITION ON, UM, THIS IS HOW WE WOULD, UH, KIND OF GO, GO ABOUT IT. 
          AND SO THAT WE WOULD USE THAT LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES, LEGISLATIVE AGENDA DOCUMENT AS THE LENS TO WHICH TO VIEW ANY PROPOSED LEGISLATION THROUGH. 
          AND, AND IF THERE'S NO TIME TO BRING IT BEFORE COUNCIL, UM, THAT, THAT IF WE WERE TO HAVE TAKEN, 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES, LIKE THE LEAGUE OF CITIES, UM, KIND OF HAS THEIR HAIR ON FIRE, OR THERE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, TIMING ISSUES BETWEEN WHEN AN AGENDA COMES OUT ON A THURSDAY AFTERNOON OR FRIDAY MORNING FOR THE FOLLOWING WEEK. 
          IT JUST DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS ALIGN WITH, WITH YOUR, UH, COUNCIL, UH, MEETINGS. 
          AND SO IN THE EVENT THAT WE WOULD DO THAT, WE WOULD LOOK TO THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA AS KIND OF THE GUIDING DOCUMENT OF HOW TO VIEW THAT BILL. 
          AND THAT IF THERE WAS SUCH AN INSTANCE WHERE WE NEEDED TO ACT QUICKLY THAT AT THE, AT YOUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING, WE WOULD BRING THAT BILL BEFORE YOU TO TAKE ACTION ONTO KIND OF APPROVE OR, UH, YOU KNOW, AGREE WITH THE POSITION OR, OR DISAGREE. 
          'CAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE OUR POSITION IN THE REQUEST TO SPEAK SYSTEM, UM, TO CHANGE IT. 
          BUT THIS WOULD BE DONE, THIS WOULD NOT BE DONE IN A VACUUM BY ONE LOBBYIST. 
          THIS WOULD BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH LAUREN IN CONJUNCTION WITH, WITH KURT AND WITH ANNETTE, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE ARE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TAKING THE RIGHT POSITION, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AT THE RIGHT TIME. 
          BUT AGAIN, THERE'S JUST SOME TIMES DURING THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANTICIPATED CERTAIN BILLS OR AMENDMENTS OR THOSE SORTS OF THINGS THAT, UM, THAT, THAT WE FEEL STRONGLY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE WANT TO HAVE A POSITION ON. 
          AND SO THAT'S HOW WE WOULD ACT 
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IN, IN THAT, IN THAT TIME PERIOD. 
          AND THEN ALSO, THERE'S TIMES, LIKE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE LEAGUE, UM, THEY DO A NUMBER OF LETTERS, UM, KIND OF THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT ARE NOT PLANNED. 
          UM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYOR LETTERS TO, UH, THE GOVERNOR TO SUPPORT OR OPPOSE A BILL OR, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S BEEN SOME, UH, LEAK LETTERS, YOU KNOW, ON HOUSING OR DIFFERENT THINGS TO CONVEY THE, THE FULL SUPPORT OR THE, THE WIDE SUPPORT OF LEGISLATION. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT THE MAYOR WOULD BE ABLE TO SIGN THOSE LETTERS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, UM, THAT AGAIN, THAT WOULD ALIGN WITH THAT LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY DOCUMENT AGENDA THAT, THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE. 
          UM, AND THAT ISSUES THAT WE HAVE NOT COVERED IN THOSE PRIORITIES, UM, THAT, THAT, WE'LL FIRST BRING THOSE TO COUNCIL BEFORE WE WOULD EVER CONSIDER TAKING A POSITION ON THEM. 
          SO I KNOW THAT'S A LOT. 
          SO LET ME PAUSE FOR, FOR ANY DISCUSSION, HONOR, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IS, IS THIS THE ONLY, DOES THIS REPLACE ANY LANGUAGE IN OUR RULES OR SOMETHING? ARE WE, UH, NO. 
          COUNCIL, FURMAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CURRENTLY IN THE RULES. 
          SO THIS IS A, UM, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S IN CAPTURING OUR, OUR UNWRITTEN POLICY AND HOW WE'VE BEEN ACTING, BUT THERE'S NOTHING'S BEEN WRITTEN OR, OR ADOPTED BEFORE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, AND I KNOW IT'S ALWAYS KIND OF HARD TO WORD, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WORDED IT BEFORE, BUT OUR PRIORITIES ARE, AND OUR LEGISLATIVE POSITIONS ARE TO BE REALLY FOCUSED ON MUNICIPAL FACING ISSUES OR SOMETHING. 
          SO WE'RE NOT OPENING THE, THE OPENING UP TO POSITIONS ON THINGS THAT LARGELY DON'T AFFECT OR DIRECTLY AFFECT. 
          DIDN'T WE HAVE SOME, I THOUGHT WE HAD SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IN THAT AREA. 
          IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER ADOPTED ANY LANGUAGE TO THAT. 
          I THINK YOU'LL OFTEN HEAR, UM, YEAH, FROM SOME COUNSELORS OR WHEN SOME, SO SOME COUNSELOR PROPOSES, YOU KNOW, TAKING A POSITION OF SOMETHING YOU'LL HEAR FROM ANOTHER COUNSELOR FROM STAFF SAYING, WELL, THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE DIRECTLY, YOU KNOW, RELATED TO, UM, CITY, YOU KNOW, REGULAR CITY BUSINESS. 
          AND THEN OTHER COUNSELORS DISAGREE. 
          AND SO I DON'T, I'M UNAWARE OF ANY ACTUAL LANGUAGE BEING ADOPTED ON THAT, BUT IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE KIND OF BACKING INTO THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY IN THE LEGISLATIVE KIND OF PRIORITIES DOCUMENT OR AGENDA, WE'RE KIND OF BACKING INTO THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE POSITIONS ON. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, SAYING IF THERE WAS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, CONTROVERSIAL, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE TRANSGENDER BATHROOM ISSUES, YOU KNOW, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE AGENDA THAT WE WENT JUST WENT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY WOULDN'T ALIGN WITH ANYTHING ON THAT AGENDA. 
          SO, SO AN ISSUE LIKE THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE BROUGHT FIRST TO, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL. 
          UM, IT, IT, AND THEN AGAIN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT, BUT WE WOULD NOT BE TAKING A POSITION ON ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          ABSENT YOUR DIRECTION. 
          ARE YOU SATISFIED? YEAH, I'M GOOD. 
          YEP. 
          UP TO US. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND JUST KNOW THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GO OUT THERE AND BE LIKE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE POSITIONS ON, YOU KNOW, SO MANY BILLS. 
          IT REALLY IS THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING'S HAPPENING QUICKER THAN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING IT TO COUNCIL. 
          LAUREN AND I WILL PROBABLY SPEND A LOT OF TIME GOING OVER THE BILLS AND SHE'LL BE PARTICIPATING IN THE LEAGUE OF CITIES WEEKLY INTER GOV, UM, MEETING ON FRIDAY. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WILL INFORM A LOT OF KIND OF LIKE, WHICH BILLS ARE MOST MUNICIPALITIES CONCERNED WITH? WHICH ONES ARE IT, YOU KNOW, ARE, AM I FLAGGING FOR HER THAT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, OUR CONVERSATIONS OR HISTORICALLY POSITIONS OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WE KNOW OF. 
          AND, AND, AND SO IT'S A, A LITTLE BIT OF A POLITICAL CALCULUS TO TRY TO FIND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND FERRET OUT THOSE BILLS THAT WE REALLY CARE ABOUT. 
          BUT AGAIN, THIS WILL BE, YOU KNOW, PART OF IT WILL ALSO BE COMMUNICATION WITH YOU GUYS WITH LAUREN, SINCE YOU GUYS ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, PHYSICALLY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER, YOU KNOW, OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE HEARING IN THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU MIGHT WANT US TO EXPLORE OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT YOU WANT BRING BEFORE COUNSEL FOR POSITION. 
          AND SO, UM, SO THAT'S WHAT, THIS IS KIND OF JUST TO BE SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR US, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT. 
          SO AGAIN, THE TRANSPARENCY, WE ALL KNOW THE RULES OF THE ROAD, UM, BUT THE, BUT THE EMPHASIS WILL BE ON YOU GUYS SEEING THE BILLS AND TAKING A POSITION ON THEM BEFORE THE CITY WEIGHS IN ON A BILL IN THE, IN THE REQUEST TO SPEAK SYSTEM AT THE LEGISLATURE. 
          AND THEN, UH, NEXT SLIDE IF WE COULD. 
          AND THEN THIS ONE WAS, WE WERE KIND OF LOOKING AT, 'CAUSE SOMETIMES YOU MAY GET APPROACHED BY OUTSIDE GROUPS OR CONSTITUENTS, YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR YOU TO TAKE A POSITION, YOU KNOW, ON A BILL. 
          AND SO, UM, SO THIS, THIS IS JUST MEANT TO KIND OF BE, 
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THIS IS HOW WE WILL HANDLE THOSE SITU SITUATIONS. 
          UM, AND SO, SO RATHER THAN STAFF TO DETERMINE IF THAT ISSUE SHOULD COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL, UM, THAT WE WILL KIND OF PUT THAT BALL IN THE, IN THE COUNCIL COUNCIL'S, UH, COURT FOR, FOR YOU TO REQUEST THAT BILL TO COME, UH, FOR OR REQUEST TO THE ENGAGEMENT ON A BILL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ALSO, UM, I ALWAYS WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO COME UP AND VISIT OR COME UP AND BE AT THE CAPITOL AND HAVE, UM, UH, TIME WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION OR TO COME UP AND TESTIFY IN AN ISSUE OR BE INVOLVED IN STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS. 
          AND SO LAUREN HAD ADDED THIS TALKING ABOUT LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A LOBBY TRIP ROTATION. 
          UM, BUT THERE MAY BE TIMES WHERE, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN MEMBER SAY, CARES MORE ABOUT WATER ISSUES. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY WANNA BE LIKE, WELL, IT'S NOT YOUR TURN. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS MORE AS LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVING, UM, MAYBE MONTHLY KIND OF CHECK-INS WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION, UM, OR OTHER IMPORTANT MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, IN THE, OR OTHER IMPORTANT LEGISLATORS IN THE REGION. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS LIKE EVERY MONTH, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S JUST, IT'S MORE IMPACTFUL AND MEANINGFUL WHEN SOME OF YOU, ALL OF YOU, YOU KNOW, COULD COME TO THE CAPITOL AND SIT DOWN FACE TO FACE WITH OUR LEGISLATORS. 
          UM, BUT I THINK CERTAINLY WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE TRYING TO DO A, UM, YOU KNOW, A ZOOM WITH THEM ON SOME FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, REGULAR CADENCE, JUST SO WE'RE KEEPING THINGS FRONT AND CENTER WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION. 
          AND THIS, THIS SLIDE IS JUST MEANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO TRY TO BE, AS YOU KNOW, JUDICIOUS AND AS FAIR WITH WHO'S PARTICIPATING IN THAT SPREAD THE WEALTH, RIGHT? YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          . 
          BUT LIKE I TOLD LAUREN, I LIVED A COUPLE OTHER CITIES AND EVERY, EVERY YEAR I'M LIKE, WE WANT YOU TO COME TO THE CAPITOL. 
          PLEASE COME TO THE CAPITOL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SET UP A DAY FOR YOU. 
          AND, UM, VERY RARELY DO I GET TAKEN UP ON THAT . 
          AND, BUT, BUT IT IS, BUT IT IS REALLY, I THINK, IMPORTANT IF YOU ALL CAN MAKE TIME, YOU KNOW, DURING THE SESSION TO JUST COME DOWN, WE CAN SCHEDULE, LIKE HAVING LUNCH, WE CAN BRING LUNCH IN, YOU KNOW, UM, FOR THEM TO SEE YOU, UM, EITHER ON ZOOM OR IN PERSON. 
          AND, AND IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO KIND OF SEE THE PROCESS IN ACTION. 
          UM, MOSTLY IT'LL PROBABLY JUST FRUSTRATE YOU, BUT , YOU KNOW, AND YOU'LL BE LIKE, THANK GOD I WILL NEVER RUN FOR THE LEGISLATURE AFTER COMING DOWN AND SEEING IT. 
          UM, BUT I DO THINK IT'S, IT, IT REALLY IS, UM, SOMETHING IMPORTANT THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT DOING IN THIS NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 
          AND SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE'RE AT THE END OF MY SLIDES. 
          UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSS ANY OF THE, I THINK WE DID THAT THROUGHOUT, BUT IF THERE'S OTHER DISCUSSION POINTS OR ANYTHING, ANYTHING THAT LAUREN AND I'VE MISSED, I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT. 
          SO, KATHY, I HAVE ONE, THIS IS KURT. 
          UM, WE HAVE A RECENT EXAMPLE, UM, OF A DOCUMENT WHERE STAFF IS, OR THE CITY'S REQUESTED TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON A PROPOSED BILL. 
          UH, SO IT'S SIMILAR TO TAKING POSITION ON, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA PRO THERE'S NO RUSH ON ON TAKING A POSITION ON THE BILL 'CAUSE IT HASN'T DROPPED YET, BUT COMMENT. 
          SO, UH, THIS WEEK, MAYOR, UH, GOT THE, UH, PROPOSED BILL FROM REPRESENTATIVE BLISS ASKING FOR THE CITY TO COMMENT ON. 
          AND SO I PROVIDED AN EXAMPLE, AND, UH, IN THIS CASE IT WAS COMM DEV THAT PROVIDED THE COMMENTS ON CARRIE. 
          UH, SOMETIMES IT'S SUSTAINABILITY, SOMETIMES IT'S PUBLIC WORK, SOMETIMES IT'S THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, JUST DEPENDING ON AREAS OF EXPERTISE OR SOMETHING. 
          SOMETIMES IT'S MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. 
          UM, BUT SIMILAR TO THE BILLS, UH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA, WE'LL NEED TO ADD IN A SECTION IN HERE THAT STAFF MAY PROVIDE A RESPONSE IN BILLS WHEN REQUESTED THAT MEET THE CRITERIA, UM, AHEAD OF TIME. 
          BUT THEN IT'S REPORTED TO COUNCIL, UH, AFTERWARDS. 
          UH, AND SO THAT WAY COUNCIL AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO, WE WILL, WE CAN INCLUDE IN THE PACKET COUNCIL CAN WEIGH IN ON IT AND SEE IF THEY HAD ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR NOT. 
          UH, SOMETIMES THERE'S JUST A, THE LEGISLATORS GIVE US SHORT NOTICE, YOU KNOW, HEY, I'M DROPPING THE BILL THIS WEEK, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE'RE NOT, WE JUST MET, YOU KNOW, YESTERDAY AT COUNCIL, SO THERE'S NO WAY TO DO IT FOR TWO WEEKS. 
          AND SO STAFF HAS TO PROVIDE THE COMMENTS, BUT IT'S ALSO JUST THAT PART HASN'T BEEN OUR PRACTICE. 
          WE PROVIDE COMMENTS ON MOST OF THE ZONING BILLS AND STUFF THAT WE, WE DISCUSS, BUT I DON'T THINK COUNSEL'S BEEN SEEING THOSE, UH, STAFF COMMENTS. 
          AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S PROVIDED TO YOU GOING FORWARD AS, AS WELL. 
          AND IT'S STEVE KAISER DRAFTED THIS ON BEHALF OF REPRESENTATIVE BLISS? YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT, UH, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THE BACKGROUND. 
          THAT'S WHAT APPEARS TO BE FROM THE EMAILS THAT WERE SENT ASKING FOR THE CITY'S COMMENTS. 
          AND SO THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE, UM, OF HOW THAT ONE WORKS. 
          AND IF, AND THESE 
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COMMENTS WILL BE SENT BACK. 
          I THINK WE JUST GOT THIS ON TUESDAY OR, UH, OR SO. 
          AND SO THESE COMMENTS WILL BE SENT BACK. 
          THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY, UM, AT THE REQUEST OF REPRESENTATIVE BLISS. 
          AND THEN THIS WOULD BE ON THE JANUARY, WHATEVER THAT MEETING IS, 10TH, 12TH, 11TH, WHATEVER THAT DATE IS. 
          UH, THAT FIRST COUNCIL MEETING IN JANUARY, UM, FOR DISCUSSION, FOR FURTHER INPUT FROM COUNSEL. 
          UM, I, I THINK THAT'S TOO LATE MYSELF IF SHE'S GONNA DROP THIS BILL AND WE HAVEN'T WEIGHED IN TO GET IT TO CHANGE IT AFTER IT'S BEEN DROPPED IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT THAN WEIGHING IN NOW BEFORE. 
          OH, I KNOW. 
          SO WE, WE STAFF THAT THERE'S NO WAY FOR COUNCIL TO WEIGH IN INDIVIDUALLY ON THIS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THIS DIRECT BILL ON THE AGENDA. 
          WE HAVE OUR OVERALL COUNCIL PRIORITIES AND AGENDAS. 
          SO THE WAY THIS WORKS IS STAFF COMMENTS GET SENT BACK IMMEDIATELY. 
          UM, AND THEN AT THE NEXT OH, WE'RE NOT WAITING FOR THE STAFF COMMENTS TO BE SENT, OR NO, WE ARE NOT, WE'RE NOT. 
          WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IN CONSISTENT WITH PAST PRACTICE, WE GET CITY STAFF COMMENTS OUT IMMEDIATELY. 
          UH, AND THEN IF COUNCIL HAS ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR DIRECTION OR WANTS TO CHANGE WHAT STAFF'S COMMENTS WERE, UM, THAT'LL BE DONE AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          THE FIRST MEETING WE CAN AGENDIZE IT FOR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET ME JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, I WAS ASKED TO SIGN IT, BUT IT'S NOT MY COMMENTS OR CITY STAFF COMMENTS. 
          SO WHAT ARE WE SAYING THAT I'M NOT GONNA SIGN IT AND THE CITY'S NO. 
          SO THERE'S NOTHING TO SIGN. 
          UH, SHE, WELL, A LETTER TO REPRESENTATIVE BLISS WITH OUR COMMENTS, NO LETTER. 
          I DON'T THINK WE DRAFTED ANY LETTER. 
          I THINK IT'D JUST BE, HERE'S THE CITY'S COMMENTS WOULD BE PROVIDED BACK TO REPRESENTATIVE BLISS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHO, WHO IS SENDING THAT? ME OR SOMEBODY ELSE? SO IT CAN BE ANYONE. 
          I UNDERSTOOD THAT A REQUEST WENT TO THE MAYOR CORRECT. 
          TO SUBMIT SOME FEEDBACK ON THIS BILL. 
          RIGHT. 
          CITY FEEDBACK THOUGH. 
          NOT THE MAYOR'S PERSONAL FEEDBACK, CITY FEEDBACK, BUT RIGHT. 
          BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, KURT, IS THE CITY'S FEEDBACK IS DIFFERENT. 
          THE MAYOR'S FEEDBACK. 
          SO WHO SIGNS THE LETTER? THE MAYOR WAS ASKED FOR A LETTER, THE MAYOR. 
          SO NO, THE MAYOR WAS, I DIDN'T READ THAT. 
          I, THE MAYOR, THE REQUEST WAS DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY FEEDBACK ON THIS BILL? UHHUH, UM, DUE TO TIME CONSTRAINTS, THE WAY THIS HAS ALWAYS WORKED IS STAFF PROVIDES THE FEEDBACK INSTANTANEOUSLY. 
          'CAUSE NO INDIVIDUAL COUNSELOR CAN RIGHT. 
          CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL WITHOUT HAVING A, YOU KNOW, A AGENDA PUBLIC MEETING MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS WHAT WOULD BE PROVIDED BACK AS STAFF COMMENTS. 
          NO, NO SIGNED LETTER FROM THE MAYOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS WHO EMAILS IT BACK TO REPRESENTATIVE BLISS, WHETHER IT'S THE MAYOR, MYSELF, KATHY, OR, YOU KNOW, UH, LAUREN. 
          BUT, UM, THAT'S JUST THE PROCESS. 
          MAY MAY I JUST JUMP IN. 
          SO, COUPLE THINGS. 
          ONE, IF WE EVER GET A REQUEST LIKE THIS FROM REPRESENTATIVE WYNN, HE'S VERY PARTICULAR ON WHO RESPONDS. 
          AND SO IF HE A, YOU KNOW, IF IT KIND OF WENT TO THE MAYOR, THEN HIS EXPECTATION IS GONNA BE THAT IT COMES FROM, THE RESPONSE COMES FROM THE MAYOR. 
          THE OTHER 89 LEGISLATORS THAT, THAT I WORK WITH, JUST WANNA RESPONSE . 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO, UM, AND, AND THE LEAGUE IS GONNA ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS COMING UP ON BILLS TO SAY LIKE, HOW DOES SEDONA FEEL ABOUT THIS? OR KIND OF A BLANKET, YOU KNOW, CITIES, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S YOUR FEEDBACK OR WHAT'S YOUR DATA? YOU KNOW, OR WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DOES THIS WORK IN YOUR COMMUNITY? AND SO WE'RE, THERE'S GONNA BE A LARGE VOLUME OF THIS AGAIN IN STARTING NOW THROUGH THE END OF MARCH WITH THE LEGISLATIVE CYCLE, WHERE WE'RE GONNA NEED TO HAVE STAFF BE ABLE TO JUST KIND OF RESPOND WITH LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW WE DO TRASH PICKUP. 
          YOU KNOW, OR THIS IS HOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S MORE, AND A LOT OF THESE ARE MORE INFORMATIONAL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IN, IN KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, YOU KNOW, IN THIS ONE IT IS. 
          UH, AND ON THE SLOT SPLIT BILL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS STEVE KAISER IS WORKING WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND IS TRYING TO, AND I, I SPOKE TO HIM EARLIER THIS WEEK. 
          UM, HE'S TRYING TO THREAD THE NEEDLE ON FINDING LANGUAGE THAT WILL, UM, UH, UM, UH, I'M SORRY, HE'S TRYING TO FIND LANGUAGE THAT WILL MAKE THE CITIES HAPPY OR MAKE US TO BE NEUTRAL. 
          SO HE'S LOOKING FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK TO SAY LIKE, LOOK, WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LIKE THIS PROVISION, BUT IF YOU CHANGED IT TO X, WE WE WOULD BE FINE WITH IT. 
          OR WE JUST OPPOSED IT STRAIGHT OUTRIGHT BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THESE REASONS. 
          AND THAT THAT'S THE TYPE OF FEEDBACK THAT REPRESENTATIVE BLISS OR KAISER OR OTHERS ARE LOOKING FOR ON THIS STUFF. 
          SO IT'S NOT FOR US TO TAKE A POSITION ON, IT'S MORE TO BE INFORMATIONAL AND TO BE INFLUENTIAL IN HOW THE BILL, AT LEAST AT THIS STAGE, HOW THE BILL GETS DRAFTED. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT, ABOUT, UH, GETTING THAT FEEDBACK AS 
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EARLY AS POSSIBLE BEFORE THEY'RE COMMITTED TO LANGUAGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE BILL GETS, YOU KNOW, DRAFTED WITHOUT OUR INPUT. 
          AND I, I THINK GENERALLY YOU, YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE, UM, THE GENERAL RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY IS THE, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAINST ANY PREEMPTION, UH, TAKEN AWAY LOCAL CONTROL. 
          SO THAT WILL ALWAYS, ALWAYS PRECEDES ANY OF OUR RESPONSES. 
          SO IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S MANDATORY, UH, THEN THE CITY'S OPPOSED TO IT. 
          JUST MY COMMENT TO THIS IS THAT, UM, AS OPPOSED TO THE INDIVIDUAL ASPECTS OF THE BILL, BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT'S BEING DRAFTED NOW PRIOR TO INTRODUCTION AND INTRODUCED GOES TO C IT, IT'S, SOMETHING'S GONNA COME THAT LOOKS VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ANYWAY. 
          SO MY ONE OVER OVERARCHING COMMENT IS THAT THE WAY THAT THIS READS NOW, THE LANGUAGE IS PERMISSIVE. 
          IF A CITY ADOPTS A CITY MAY, AND I WOULD JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, IN FEEDBACK FROM THIS, FROM WHATEVER FORM IT TAKES, THAT AS LONG AS PERMISSIVENESS AND NOT COMPULSION IS LANGUAGE OF THE BILL, YOU KNOW, IT'S MUCH MORE LIKELY TO GARNER SUPPORT. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THAT'S GENERALLY TOO, UM, THE CONCERN THAT'S EXPRESSED BY MANY CITIES, INCLUDING WE'VE EXPRESSED THAT BEFORE IN THE LEAGUE, IS THAT THE MAY BILLS NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION ARE REALLY EASILY CHANGED TO SHALL SIMPLE CHANGE MAY SHALL, AND THAT'S WAS HB 24 47. 
          IT WAS A, YOU MAY HAVE STAFF REVIEW DEVELOPMENT REVIEW MM-HMM . 
          SUBDIVISIONS, AND THEY SWAPPED THAT MADE FOR A SHALL FOR SOME MM-HMM . 
          OTHER HORSE TRADING AT THE LEGISLATOR, AND WE GOT WHAT WE GOT. 
          SO, SO WE COULD JUST DRIVE THAT POINT HOME. 
          BUT YOU, THAT'S THE OTHER REASON YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          COUNSELOR CAN OTHERWISE STAFF'S BEEN COMFORTABLE WITH PROVIDING THIS REVIEW IS BECAUSE IT'S, UH, INCREMENTAL IF IT EVER MAKES A DIFFERENCE AT ALL. 
          UM, AND TO THE LARGER COG OF THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I, I DON'T HAVE A, A REAL BONE TO PICK HERE IN THIS, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING ISSUE IN SEDONA, WE MAY ACTUALLY WANNA START CONSIDERING AN AREA WHERE WE'LL CONCEDE OF A LOCAL CONTROL IF IT DOESN'T GO TOO FAR OR SOMETHING ELSE IN ORDER TO TRADE IT FOR AN STR SOMETHINGS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THERE'S SOMETHING HERE ARE JUST A, A, A GENERIC KNEE JERK RESPONSE OF ALWAYS NO IS, MIGHT NOT ALWAYS BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST. 
          WE MIGHT THINK ABOUT SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CAN CONCEDE ON A LOCAL CONTROL ISSUE TO GET SOMETHING OF VALUE. 
          AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET THERE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, MY, MY, MY WILLINGNESS WOULD BE THIS LITTLE TEENY THING FOR A BIG THING OVER HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPRESS THAT, THAT COUNCILOR FURMAN THAT HAS BEEN EXPRESSED BEFORE, UM, BY, YOU KNOW, YOUR, THE CITY LOBBYISTS AND, UM, THE LEAGUE AND WHATNOT IN ORDER TO GET SOME, YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM RENTAL CAPS, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, THE CITY'S WILLING TO DO. 
          SOME, THE CITY HAS SHOWN THAT ALSO BY ADOPTING, YOU KNOW, UM, SOME A DU, UM, LANGUAGE BEFORE IT WAS EVEN REQUIRED TO DO SO. 
          THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S THE, THE KNEE JERK REACTION IS AGAINST, UH, STATE PREEMPTION, BUT IT'S NOT AGAINST, UH, HOUSING, UH, IN GENERAL. 
          SO, WELL, AND I THINK THIS IS JUST TRYING TO STRENGTHEN THE BILL, OUR FEEDBACK RIGHT NOW, THE YES. 
          SO STAFF'S FEEDBACK, IS IT, IT, YES. 
          IT COULD ONLY MAKE THE BILL BETTER, UM, IF THEY TOOK A LOT OF THOSE IDEAS INTO, INTO ACCOUNT. 
          SO, UM, BOTH MORE PALATABLE FOR CITIES, PROVIDING THE INFORMATION DOES NOT MEAN WE ENDORSE IT OR WE'RE TAKING A POSITION ON IT. 
          IT'S JUST THIS, AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME. 
          IT'S JUST, IT'S THE DRAFTING PART OF IT, RIGHT. 
          THE DETAILS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT THEN THAT STAFF CAN PROVIDE THE FEEDBACK? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'LL PUT THAT IN THE PROTOCOLS AND GUIDELINES FOR LEGISLATIVE ACTS AFFAIRS, EITHER WITH THAT, UM, ONE OF THOSE BULLET POINTS OR AN ADDITIONAL BULLET POINT, BUT IT'LL BE THE SAME PROCESS. 
          AND THEN WE'LL JUST MAKE SURE YOU GET COPIES OF THOSE, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T ALWAYS GOTTEN COPIES OF STAFF FEEDBACK IN THE PAST. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE HAVE HAD AN INVITATION BY REPRESENTATIVE BLISS TO ATTEND OPENING DAY AT THE LEGISLATURE. 
          AND KATHY, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO OPENING DAY IS JUST THE START OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. 
          AND SO A LOT OF, UM, LEGISLATORS WILL INVITE FAMILY FRIENDS DOWN. 
          AND SO BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE WILL HAVE THEIR OWN KIND OF OPENING SESSION. 
          AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT, UM, IN THE AFTERNOON, EARLY AFTERNOON IS THE GOV. 
          THEY HAVE A JOINT SESSION BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE. 
          SO EVERYONE COMES OVER TO THE HOUSE AND THEN, UM, THE GOVERNOR COMES IN AND DOES THE KIND OF THE STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS. 
          AND SO I THINK WHEN I READ REPRESENTATIVE 
          [03:50:01]
BLISS'S REQUEST IT, I THINK IT WAS JUST TO COME TO THE, UM, THE HOUSES OPENING SESSION, NOT THE STATE OF THE STATE. 
          'CAUSE THE STATE OF THE STATE IS WHEN THE SENATE COMES OVER. 
          AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S LIMITED SEATING ON THE FLOOR, BUT YOU WOULD PROBABLY WATCH THE STATE OF THE STATE. 
          THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LUNCHES AND RECEPTIONS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS GOING ON KIND OF IN TANDEM OR RIGHT AFTER THE STATE OF THE STATE. 
          UM, BUT TYPICALLY FOLKS, FAMILY, FRIENDS OF, OF THE LEGISLATORS GO WATCH IT IN THAT LEGISLATOR'S OFFICE, THE STATE OF THE STATE BY THE GOVERNOR, OR THEY HAVE SPECIAL VIEWING AREAS SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SEATING IN THE GALLERY OR ON THE FLOOR, UM, FOR ALL THE LEGISLATORS. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THEIR INVITEES. 
          UM, SO THINK 90 MEMBERS, AND IF EACH OF THEM BROUGHT, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU START GETTING UP THEIR NUMBERS. 
          SO, UM, SO THE WAY I READ THE INVITATION, IT WAS TO BE, UM, FOR THE OPENING OF THE HOUSE SESSION. 
          UM, AND LIKE I SAID, THERE'S THIS HOUSE AND SENATE EACH HAVE THEIR OPENING, THEIR OWN OPENING SESSION, THEN THERE'S A, A SLIGHT BREAK, AND THEN, AND ARIZONA, THE GOVERNOR ATTENDS A JOINT SESSION TO DO THE STATE OF THE STATE SPEECH. 
          AND THAT LAYS OUT, BASICALLY LAYS OUT HER LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FOR, FOR THE SESSION. 
          WE'RE NOT EXACTLY AT FISTICUFFS TO, UH, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY HERE, , YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LIKE FOR LAUREN, I MEAN, IT'S GOOD TO COME DOWN AND KIND OF SEE IT ONCE, YOU KNOW, BUT IT, I WILL, I WILL JUST BE HONEST. 
          IT'S A LOT OF STANDING AROUND . 
          UM, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S A LOT OF POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE, YOU KNOW, UM, SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD TO BE THERE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH YOUR LEGISLATOR, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, BANG FOR YOUR BUCK OF DRIVING DOWN HERE. 
          I'D SAY IT'S, IT'S PRETTY LOW. 
          I, IF I, IF I TAKE YOU UP ON THAT, WILL YOU ALLOW ME TO BOO AT THE APPROPRIATE MOMENT? , I'LL JUST SAY I DON'T KNOW HIM. 
          . 
          , I MEAN, THERE HAVE BEEN, IT'S MOSTLY BEEN LEGISLATORS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAD THAT BEHAVIOR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN A GOVERNOR SAYS SOMETHING THEY DON'T LIKE, CERTAIN LEGISLATORS WILL JUST GET UP AND WALK OUT, YOU KNOW, THE STATE OF THE STATE'S SPEECH AND, YOU KNOW, SO, SO THERE IS SOME OF THAT THAT GOES ON, BUT, UM, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THEY TRY TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, GOOD DECORUM. 
          CAN YOU GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHAT WE'RE INVITED TO THEN? I WILL, I'LL TALK, I'LL TALK. 
          I'LL, I I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD OPPOR OPPORTUNITY, PERHAPS. 
          I THINK SHE'S STILL IN TOWN. 
          I'LL TRY TO GET AHOLD OF HER OF WHAT THE REQUEST OR WHAT THE INVITATION IS FOR, BUT THE WAY THAT I READ IT, BECAUSE IT DID NOT SAY LIKE, STATE OF THE STATE, IT JUST TALKED ABOUT OPENING DAY. 
          SO LET ME, I'LL CALL HER ASSISTANT AND FIND OUT HOW DEEP THE INVITATION GOES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR LAUREN TO DO, OR, UH, I'LL FIND, I'LL FIND THAT OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN I JUST SUGGEST THAT IF PETE GOES, HE DOESN'T WEAR A, UH, SEDONA CITY COUNCIL MEMBER T-SHIRT? YEAH. 
           COTTON, WE DON'T KNOW HIM RIGHT NOW. 
          WHAT, WHAT CITY DO WE DON'T LIKE? WE'LL HAVE MORE OF THAT . 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS TOPIC? NO. 
          OOPS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I DID TAKE NOTES ON ALL OF THAT. 
          STAFF WILL UPDATE BOTH OF THESE DOCUMENTS TO BRING BACK TO FOR YOUR APPROVAL, AND THEN WE WILL BE OFF AND RUNNING. 
          NOW, DO WE, DO WE, THE CITY COUNCIL PROTOCOLS, ARE WE GONNA APPROVE THAT AS WELL? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          IN THE SAME MEETING? YES. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          YES. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW THE TECHNICALITY IF IT'S AMENDING YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE OR NOT, BUT WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT WITH KURT, LIKE THE PROPER, YOU KNOW, MECHANISM TO DO IT SO MUCH. 
          WE CAN DISCUSS THAT REAL QUICK. 
          DO WE WANT IT, IT CAN BE IN THE RULES OR IT CAN JUST BE A STANDALONE DOCUMENT THAT WE REVISIT ONCE A YEAR. 
          UM, AND IT CAN JUST BE APPROVED BY MOTION. 
          IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          CAN IT JUST BE LIKE AN APPENDIX TO THE RULES? UH, YEAH, WE COULD PUT IT AS A WE THAT WAY IT'S WITH THE DOCUMENT IN THERE AND THOUGHT OF AS A RULE, BUT THAT AN ORDINANCE DO EDITS? NO, IT'S JUST A MOTION TO AMEND THE RULES OF PROCEDURE TO APPEND THESE TWO. 
          UM, SO WE GOT ONE PREFERENCE FOR THAT. 
          ANYONE? YEAH, I, SO IT'S IN THERE. 
          WE, WE FORGET WHAT'S IN THOSE APPENDICES, BUT WHEN WE NEED 'EM, WE FIND THEM . 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THEN WE'LL, UH, I'LL WORK ON THAT FOR THAT FIRST MEETING. 
          WE'LL MAKE IT, I THINK IT'LL JUST BE APPENDIX B AT THIS POINT. 
          WE JUST HAVE AN A, SO, OKAY. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          [03:55:01]
ARE WE READY TO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT'S, THAT'S HOW MOST, THAT'S HOW MOST CITIES DO IT. 
          AND IT, AND IT IS KIND OF LIKE A EVOLVING DOCUMENT EVERY YEAR. 
          AND IT USUALLY COMES BEFORE THE, THE PRIORITIES DOCUMENT COMES BEFORE COUNCIL USUALLY IN DECEMBER. 
          AND IF YOU KIND OF BACK INTO IT, UM, KIND OF IN THAT LATE SUMMER, EARLY FALL, UM, THE, THE IGR LOBBYISTS, YOU KNOW, SPENDS TIME KIND OF COMMUNICATING, SITTING DOWN WITH EVERY, UM, EVERY COUNCIL PERSON. 
          UM, USUALLY WHAT THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GETS A FEELING FOR WHAT ARE THEIR ISSUES, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, YOU KNOW, DIRECTOR, LIKE WHAT IN HIS CHANNELS ARE HE, IS HE HEARING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE CITY OR WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR? AND SO, UM, THIS LEGISLATIVE AGENDA DOCUMENT REALLY DOES DRIVE A LOT OF THE IGR WORK, AND THEN ALSO HELPS WITH THOSE CONVERSATIONS. 
          SO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAPTURING THINGS THAT, THAT YOU, YOU ALL CARE ABOUT. 
          UM, SO AS WE'RE READING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, 1800 BILLS, YOU KNOW, IT HELPS US BETTER, YOU KNOW, CLUE INTO IT. 
          AND SO KIND OF ONCE WE START IT AFTER THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT A DORMANT DOCUMENT THAT JUST KIND OF GOES AWAY AS AN APPENDIX. 
          IT WILL VERY MUCH KIND OF BE A LIVING DOCUMENT THAT GETS USED IN REFERENCED THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND WILL BE KIND OF THE GENESIS FOR US GETTING TOGETHER WITH YOU BE LIKE, TELL US WHAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          YOU KNOW, TELL US, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT HOW DO WE BUILD THAT INTO THE DOCUMENT OR HOW TO, LIKE, LAUREN AND I JUST KNOW, YOU KNOW, UM, A CERTAIN COUNCIL MEMBER CARES ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT MIGHT NOT BE CITY WORTHY POSITION, BUT YOU ALL MIGHT JUST WANT TO BE IN THE LOOP ON WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          AND SO, UM, SO THIS REALLY IS THE START I THINK OF, UH, GREATER INVOLVEMENT AND CONVERSATION WITH LAUREN. 
          UM, NOW THAT YOU HAVE THAT POSITION, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WITH ME AND THE LOBBYISTS, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KIND OF CAPTURING OR FINDING THINGS THAT, THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE CITY. 
          AND, AND JUST AS AN FYI, I WAS TALKING TO THE, UH, KURT HARRIS, WHO'S THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS HERE, AND HE'S BEEN MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH, UM, ADVOCATING FOR FUNDING, UH, THROUGH NACOG. 
          AND, UH, SO WE NEED TO LOOP, I THINK KURT AND, UH, IN, WITH, WITH, UH, LAUREN AND WITH KATHY, SO HE KNOWS WHAT THE, SHE KNOWS WHAT OUR PROJECTS ARE THAT KURT IS, UM, FOCUSED ON. 
          YES, I'VE BEEN FORWARDING THAT INFORMATION TO KATHY. 
          GREAT. 
          SO THAT SHE KNOWS THAT WE HAVE MEETINGS WITH THE LEGISLATORS. 
          IT'S PART OF THE NACO CONTINGENT THAT'S ADVOCATING FOR THE ADOT FUNDING PRIORITIES FOR NORTHERN ARIZONA. 
          SO, UM, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SHARE ALL OF THAT WITH HER. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL THAT'S WHAT I GOT FOR YOU GUYS. 
          IF THERE'S, THANK YOU FOR HAVING, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. 
          AND, UM, I'M ALWAYS AVAILABLE IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS OR WHATEVER, AND I'LL WORK WITH LAUREN AND KURT, ANNETTE, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT CADENCE IS TO, FOR COUNSEL TO PROVIDE REPORTS OR INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU GUYS. 
          UM, AND SO LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING INTO THIS NEXT SESSION, UH, TO WORK WITH Y'ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, KATHY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO YOU. 
          ENJOY TO ALL OF YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. 
          ENJOY YOUR, YOUR, UH, CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S AND HANUKKAH AND KWANZA AND WHATEVER YOU DO OR DO NOT. 
          YEAH, THE  THE CALM BEFORE THE STORM IS OUT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          CELEBRATE. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU GUYS. 
          GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE. 
          BYE-BYE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BYE. 
          ALRIGHT, BYE. 
          IF, IF I MIGHT WITHOUT KATHY BEING HERE, THAT'S FINE. 
          SHE OPENED THE DOOR. 
          I THINK PROBABLY IN A VERY KIND WAY ABOUT LAUREN AND HER TIME, MAYBE ON COUNSELOR, UH, ISSUES THAT MIGHT NOT BE A LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY. 
          AND I REALLY DON'T WANNA OPEN THE DOOR TO THAT  ANYTHING THAT SHE SPENDS TIME ON OR REALLY NEEDS TO BE ADHERING TO OUR, OUR LEGISLATIVE POLICY AND NOT A PERSONAL INTEREST ITEM FROM ANY ONE OF US. 
          I AGREE. 
          I AGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MAYOR, WE'RE ABOUT 10 MINUTES AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. 
          I THINK LUNCH IS HERE, BUT I WANTED TO CHECK IN WITH YOU AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ON THE TO-DO LIST THAT YOU FEEL LIKE WE COULD DO IN 10 MINUTES. 
          UM, OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO BREAK EARLY, UH, I THINK WE WOULD LIKE DEREK TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN UP, SIGN UP FOR CHAMPION 
          [04:00:01]
BEING CHAMPIONS. 
          OH YES. 
          WE CAN BRING BACK THE CHAMPION LIST, WHICH ROXANNE HOLLAND, UH, IN THE INTERIM, SHE CREATED A ONE PAGE LIST FOR US, UM, INSTEAD OF THE POWERPOINT DOCUMENT. 
          UH, HOW NICE OF HER. 
          YEAH, SHE'S GREAT. 
          SO IS THIS, IS THIS A TRIAL BY COMBAT THING OR WHAT IS THE, THIS IS DUDE, WHICH TOPIC DO YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN BEING A DEEP DIVE PARTICIPANT AND ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE PRIORITY? UM, IF THERE'S ANY SUBJECT AREAS THAT YOU HAVE A PASSION OR INTEREST IN TO, UM, BE MORE DIRECTLY PARTICIPATING, UH, FIREWISE, NOT THE RANGER STATION BATHROOM. 
          , UH, COME ON. 
          YOU WANT WASTEWATER? NO, I DON'T. 
          UH, LET'S DO THE WHY ADAPTIVE SIGNALS. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE A FUN ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT PAGE. 
          OH, S**T. 
          THERE'S ONE MORE. 
          . 
          HE THOUGHT HE WAS DONE. 
          I THOUGHT I WAS. 
          I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          OH MAN. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK SHE'S, AND AGAIN, WE'LL GET THIS CLEANED UP AND RECIRCULATED TO EVERYBODY WITH A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICITY ABOUT TIMELINES AND THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          YOU DON'T LIKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          UM, AND OF COURSE WE WANNA GET COUNSELOR HOSSEINI'S. 
          YES, OF COURSE. 
          YEAH, JUST FILL, WE HAVE EVERYTHING THAT DOESN'T ALREADY HAVE SOMEWHERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? DO YOU WANNA JUST BREAK EARLY FOR LUNCH A FEW MINUTES EARLY AND THEN RECONVENE AT ONE O'CLOCK? YES. 
          AS THE AGENDA HAD LISTED, ARE THERE ANY OF THESE ITEMS THAT COULD BE DONE IN 10 MINUTES? LET'S BREAK. 
          WELL, I DUNNO HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO REDISCUSS ITEMS YOU ALREADY DISCUSSED YESTERDAY, SO IF IT WAS, WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT. 
          YEAH, IF IT'S LIKE, LIKE A, JUST TAKING A STRAIGHT VOTE, OF COURSE YOU COULD, UM, TACKLE ANY OF THEM. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE DO YOU WANT, BUT I'M HEARING LUNCH FROM YES, PEOPLE ARE NODDING THEIR HEADS ABOUT LUNCH, SANDWICHES ARE GETTING SOGGY. 
          DO YOU HAVE A FEEL? UH, I TOLD PATRICK I WOULD TEXT HIM 'CAUSE HE WANTS TO COME TO THAT SESSION ON THE, WELL, ACCORDING TO OUR AGENDA, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT THING UP. 
          UM, SO ONE O'CLOCK. 
          SO YEAH, WE WOULD, I'M HAPPY TO, OR IF YOU WANT TO TEXT HIM IF THAT'S YEAH. 
          STILL ACCEPTABLE TO EVERYBODY, UM, GIVEN THE ORDER THAT I HAD PUT ON THIS. 
          OKEY DOKE. 
          OKAY, SO ONE O'CLOCK. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW, MAYOR, IF YOU HAVE TO SAY OFFICIAL WORDS. 
          RECESS? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          ? NO. 
          YEAH, TILL ONE O'CLOCK. 
          ALL RIGHT, WE'RE AT ITEM C. 
          UH, LET ME LOOK HERE. 
          C FOUR TWO WESTERN GATEWAY MASTER PLAN. 
          NEXT STEPS REGARDING SEDONA INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL AND OTHER PLANNING ACTIVITIES. 
          SO WHO'S GONNA START? THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. 
          UM, UM, THIS IS THE ACTION ITEM, UM, AND CONTINUATION OF YOUR DISCUSSION FROM YOUR WEDNESDAY WORK SESSION LAST WEEK. 
          YOU ASKED US TO ADD THIS, UM, AS THAT WORK SESSION WAS FOR INFORMATION AND DISCUSSION ONLY, AND IT WAS AN AGENDIZED FOR ANY ACTION. 
          UM, WE HAVE PATRICK SCHWEISS HERE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SEDONA INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          WE ALSO HAVE JOSH FREEMAN HERE FROM PARKS AND RECREATION FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          UM, I DID NOT WRITE UP A SPECIFIC MEMO OR ANYTHING RELATED TO THIS TOPIC BECAUSE YOU HAD ALL THE INFORMATION AT YOUR WORK SESSION LAST WEEK. 
          UM, SO I WILL DEFER TO COUNSEL TO SEE WHERE YOU WANT TO GO WITH THIS AND THEN WE CAN, UM, TAKE IT FROM THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK THERE WAS CONSENSUS THAT WE SHOULD BEGIN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL ON, UH, WHAT THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW, I GUESS I'LL ASK CARRIE AND TONY, EXCUSE ME, ABOUT, UH, WHETHER THEY SEE THAT OR NOT, OR WHETHER WE JUST WANT TO HAVE COUNCIL DIRECTION TO START MEETING AND THEN TELL, BRING US BACK SOMETHING ONCE YOU GUYS HAVE MET THAT WOULD SHOW US WHAT THE STEPS ARE AND THEN WE COULD DECIDE WHAT ACTIONS WE NEED TO TAKE TO MAKE THESE THINGS HAPPEN IF WE CAN, SHOULD BE ON. 
          [04:05:02]
SO WE CHEATED JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, AND OH, IS IT ON? OKAY, PERFECT. 
          UM, I WAS JUST HOLDING IT WRONG. 
          UM, SO WE ASKED CARRIE TO GO AHEAD AND PUT TOGETHER THE PROCESS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT IT WILL TAKE, UM, TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND BRING IT TO CONCLUSION SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO, UM, EXCELLENT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO CARRIE, DO YOU WANT TO, I DON'T KNOW, DID YOU WANNA PUT UP A PRESENTATION OR VERY SHORT PRESENTATION. 
          GREAT. 
          GOOD. 
          I GET ALL THE POINTS. 
          SAVED IT CORRECTLY. 
          WE'LL MAKE SURE, AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE, WE NEED GUIDANCE UP HERE. 
          WELL, I WOULD LOVE TO TAKE CREDIT, BUT IT WAS A CITY MANAGER'S IDEA, SO GO WITH NICK . 
          I SEE, I SEE YOU ALREADY FIGURED OUT HOW TO GIVE HER IDEAS. 
          OH, IS IT? BUT IT'S NOT, UM, REMOTE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SHE'S AN EXPERT. 
          I KNOW. 
          JUST TELL ME WHAT TO DO. 
          SO, YEAH, UM, I, SO THIS IS JUST TO MAKE SURE I COULD ORGANIZE MY THOUGHTS AND HIT EVERYTHING IN THE RIGHT ORDER. 
          UM, WITH SOMETHING LIKE, WITH THIS PROJECT, WITH PROBABLY ANYTHING, IF YOU'VE EVER TRIED TO TALK TO ME, I CAN GO OFF AND GO DOWN RABBIT HOLES. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT TO THE, THE MAIN POINTS. 
          UM, SO THE PROPERTY THAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THIS AREA, THE ORANGE LINES OR THE CURRENT PARCEL LINES. 
          AND THE PINK IS THE CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO THE FIRST STEP, IF YOU WANTED, IF YOU GAVE US DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD, THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE TO, UM, DO SOMETHING WITH THE ALIGNMENT OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE WE WOULD NEED TO DEFINE EXACTLY WHERE, UM, THE FILM FESTIVAL WOULD BE ABLE TO PROPOSE SOME KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE'D WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET THE ROAD THROUGH THERE. 
          UM, SO THERE WOULD BE A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN. 
          WE WOULD NEED TO KEEP UNDER THE, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS WE DON'T INCREASE THE NUMBER OF LOTS, WE'RE NOT TRIGGERING ANY SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND SO WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW THE WHOLE PROPERTY IS LAID OUT. 
          I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT, WE HAVE SIX LOTS RIGHT NOW, SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DO, WHERE WHATEVER PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE GIVEN, IT'S WELL-DEFINED. 
          UM, BUT THAT ALSO THAT WE'RE GETTING THE ROAD THROUGH THE PROPERTY AT THE CURRENT CURB CUT AND ALL OF THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LIMITING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THERE WOULD BE WORK TO BE DONE ON REARRANGING PROPERTY LINES. 
          UM, ALSO JUST FOR FUN, BECAUSE, UM, WE ACTUALLY OWN A STRIP ALL ALONG THE, THE, LIKE ALL ALONG THE FRONTAGE THERE. 
          UM, AND THAT WAS DONE BEFORE THE CITY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY SO THAT A SIGN COULD BE PLACED AT THE CORNER. 
          SO WE WOULD JUST NEED TO, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING IN THIS AREA, IT WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT, ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT, UM, THAT'S ALL, UM, YOU KNOW, OWNERSHIP VERSUS LEASE, THAT WOULD BE A COUNCIL DECISION. 
          BUT AGAIN, FIRST STEPS WOULD BE DEFINING WHAT LAND, UM, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DEVELOP ONE. 
          DO YOU WANT QUESTIONS AS YOU GO ALONG? UH, SURE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE LOT? YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT OBVIOUSLY THE, WELL NOT OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT MAKING A SMALLER LOT. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE SIZE OF THAT, UH, THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY CARVED OUT. 
          UM, RELATIVE TO THE ENTIRE, YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE'D GET DIRECTION FROM YOU. 
          WE'D HAVE TO TALK TO CIF ABOUT WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE. 
          WE'D LOOK AT WHAT KIND OF ROAD WE NEED THROUGH THE PROPERTY, ALL OF THAT. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD JUST NEED TO DEFINE THAT AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DO SOME LOT LINE ADJUSTMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND ALL OF THAT. 
          NOW WHAT IF THERE WAS A, IF IT, IF IT DIDN'T FIT UHHUH, WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO DO? YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A SUBDIVISION. 
          OH, JUST GENERALLY, IF YOU'RE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF LOTS, UM, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE MORE THAN THREE LOTS ON THIS PROPERTY, YOU, THERE'S A, IT'S A DIFFERENT PROCESS IF YOU'RE KEEPING THE SAME NUMBER OF LOTS. 
          UM, AND JUST ADJUSTING PROPERTY LINES, WE CAN TYPICALLY DO THAT THROUGH A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, WHICH I GUESS ALL SUBDIVISIONS ARE ADMINISTRATIVE NOW, BUT, UM, GOING THROUGH A SUBDIVISION PROCESS WOULD REQUIRE, UM, MORE STEPS AND MORE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF REVIEW. 
          OR IF WE'RE JUST KEEPING THE SAME OR DECREASING THE NUMBER OF LOTS, WE CAN DO A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT RATHER THAN A SUBDIVISION DOES. 
          ISN'T YAVAPAI COLLEGE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT? UM, YEAH, BUT MY COLLEGE IS ON THEIR OWN PARCEL. 
          YEAH, THEY'RE RIGHT HERE. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, THEIR PARCEL LINES ARE THERE AND WE WOULD, THAT'S SEPARATE PARCEL. 
          WE WOULDN'T BE TOUCHING THAT. 
          [04:10:01]
SO LET'S SAY THAT, AND PAT, YOU CAN WEIGH IN. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? I THINK IS YES. 
          AND THAT IS ASKING, LET'S SAY THAT IT STRADDLES TWO LOTS, IS THAT AN ISSUE? IT DOESN'T TAKE UP ALL OF TWO LOTS, BUT WE WOULD JUST JUST MOVE LINES. 
          WE WOULD MOVE LINES AROUND AND FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          BUT THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP OF THE PROCESS. 
          UM, NEXT, LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND CFA PLAN, THE AREA IS DESIGNATED CFA, UM, THE WESTERN GATEWAY COMMUNITY FOCUS AREA PLAN I, UM, THE CF PROPOSAL, THERE'S A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING OUR DEVELOPMENT FOR ARTS AND CULTURE AND PUBLIC GATHERING SPACES, CREATING A GATEWAY ENTRANCE TO SEDONA. 
          SO THEIR PROPOSAL FITS IN WITH THOSE. 
          THE ONE KIND, MAYBE POTENTIAL STICKING POINT IS THAT THE PLAN ALSO STATES THAT FOR THE FORMER CULTURAL PARK AREA, UM, THAT WE, THE, THE CFA PLAN RECOMMENDS A SINGLE COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE AREA. 
          BUT I'LL GET INTO THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UM, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY NEED TO DO ANY COMMUNITY PLAN OR CFA CHANGES FOR AN ARTS AND CULTURE TYPE USE. 
          UM, ZONING, AS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THE CURRENT ZONING IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS DONE FOR THE AMPHITHEATER. 
          UM, SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF ZONE CHANGE. 
          UM, CIF IS CONSIDERED AN INDOOR RECREATION FACILITY. 
          UM, IT INCLUDES THEATERS IN THE DEFINITION OF THAT, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IN THERE. 
          UM, BUT THAT USE IS PERMITTED IN ALL NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS AND THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS OF WHAT IT COULD BE ZONED TO M THREE OR CO ARE LIKELY THE ONES THAT MAKE THE MOST SENSE. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SLIGHT DIFFERENCES IN MINIMUM LOT SIZES, WHICH BASED ON THE AREA THAT THEY'VE STATED THEY NEED, THERE WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          SETBACKS SOME LIKE, SO THERE'S LITTLE CHANGES IN THAT. 
          THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IN THE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS IS ALLOWED USES. 
          AND SO WE'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IF WE'RE GONNA REZONE IT TO SOMETHING LIKE THE INDOOR RECREATION FACILITY THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD, IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE WHAT IT IS. 
          BUT IF THAT GOES, YOU KNOW, WE HOPE THEY'RE THERE FOREVER, BUT WHAT OTHER USES MIGHT POTENTIALLY BE ON THE PROPERTY? AND THAT'S GENERALLY, UM, A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION AROUND ZONE CHANGES OR WHAT ARE WE OPENING THE DOORS TO. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE SOME OF THE EVALUATION THAT WE'D HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT. 
          I'M JUST, JUST VERY CURIOUS, IS RESIDENTIAL IS ALLOWED AS A RIGHT IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, IS IT, WHAT'S ABOUT A MIXED USE ACTIVITY CENTER? YES, IT IS. 
          SO YEAH, JUST IF THERE IS ANY SECOND FLOOR DEVELOPMENT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, DEPENDING ON LIKE TYPE, SO I THINK LIKE SINGLE FAMILY, SO THERE'S SOME, LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED MIGHT REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR SOMETHING. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE BIGGEST, SO LIKE COMMERCIAL, IT'S GENERAL COMMERCIAL THAT'S ALLOWED KIND OF THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          SO THERE'S SOME USES, BUT THEN M THREE DOES ALLOW FOR SOME LODGING USES. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S, THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF USES IN THE CO THAT YOU MIGHT NOT WANNA SEE AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY. 
          THE M THREE NARROWS THAT DOWN A BIT, BUT IT ADDS SOME LODGING. 
          SO ANYWAY, THAT WOULD BE A DETERMINATION THAT WE WOULD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DONATED TRICK. 
          BUT GOING BACK TO THAT CLAUSE IN THE CFA PLAN THAT SAYS WE WANTED A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, THERE'S A, IN THE FINDINGS, UM, FOR ZONE CHANGES, IT STATES UNDER CONSISTENCY WITH COMMUNITY PLAN AND OTHER APPLICABLE PLANS. 
          COUNCIL SHALL WEIGH COMPETING GOALS, POLICIES, AND STRATEGIES AND MOVE MAY APPROVE AN APPLICATION THAT PROVIDES A PUBLIC BENEFIT EVEN IF THE DEVELOPMENT IS CONTRARY TO SOME OF THE GOALS, POLICIES OR STRATEGIES OF THE PLAN OR OTHER PLANS. 
          SO IF YOU DETERMINE THAT THIS WAS GOING TO APPROVE, PROVIDE A PUBLIC BENEFIT, YOU COULD SAY THAT YOU WERE WILLING TO APPROVE SOMETHING EVEN THOUGH THE WHOLE PARCEL ISN'T PLANNED YET. 
          WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE DRAGGING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THROUGH ANY ONE OF THESE SCENARIOS? YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE TO, UM, JUST BECAUSE THE CITY OWNS THE PROPERTY AND SO WHETHER WE LEASE IT TO THEM OR WE OWN IT OR WHAT KIND OF FINAL SAY YOU WANT ON THINGS, AND KURT HAS A MICROPHONE, UH, IF COUNSEL DECIDES YOUR ANSWER  IF COUNSEL DECIDES THE LEASE, IT CAN JUST BE INCLUDED IN A LEASE. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE A, ALL THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS YOU'D LIKE TO PUT IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CAN JUST GO IN THE LEASE DOCUMENT. 
          BUT, UH, CERTAINLY THERE'LL BE, UM, THOSE WILL NEED TO BE PLACED IN SOME LEGAL DOCUMENT. 
          UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS THERE'D BE A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, AND IT WOULD JUST BE COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE ZONING DISTRICT STANDARDS. 
          UM, I DID WANNA POINT OUT THE CFA HAS A NUMBER OF DESIGN STANDARDS AROUND BUILDING DESIGN, 
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BUILDING HEIGHT, LANDSCAPING, THE GATEWAY ENTRANCE TO SEDONA. 
          SO UNDERSTANDING THAT DEVELOPMENT REVIEW IS NOW, OR NOT NOW? MM-HMM . 
          IN TWO WEEKS IT WILL BE A DIRECTOR DECISION. 
          I WOULD ASSUME YOU'D PROBABLY STILL WANT TO, WE WANT TO SEE SOME COMPLIANCE WITH CFA PLANS IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE CONSIDERING HIS OWN CHANGE. 
          AND WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW ALL THAT WORKS. 
          BUT GENERALLY THEY CAN BE PROCESSED SOMEWHAT CONCURRENTLY AT, YOU KNOW, AT RISK AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          UM, THERE WOULD BE A PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS FOR ZONE CHANGES IN DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS. 
          UM, I DO, YOU KNOW, WANNA POINT OUT THAT EVEN THE EXPANDED 600 FOOT NOTIFICATION RADIUS REALLY DOESN'T HIT TOO MANY PROPERTIES IN THIS LOCATION. 
          SO WE'D PROBABLY WANNA WORK WITH, UM, PATRICK AND HIS TEAM TO EITHER EXPAND THE NOTIFICATION RADIUS OR PROVIDE ALTERNATE MEANS OF NOTIFICATION JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, STICKING TO THAT. 
          AND REALLY, I THINK I, I RAN THE RADIUS AND IT'S LIKE THE COLLEGE, THE BUILDING ON THE CORNER AND THE TIMESHARES ARE THE ONLY NON-CITY PROP OH. 
          IN THE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          SO WE'D PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THAT. 
          BUT THERE WOULD BE A PUBLIC, UM, INPUT PROCESS THROUGH THESE APPLICATIONS. 
          UM, AND THEN I WAS ASKED ABOUT A TIMELINE LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT, THE COMPLETION OF THE SURVEY AND NEW LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS AND ALL THAT. 
          THAT CAN TAKE SOME TIME. 
          UM, ANDY MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK MORE TO HOW MUCH TIME THAT MIGHT TAKE. 
          BUT THEN ONCE WE GET ALL THAT DONE, IT'S ABOUT A TWO TO THREE WEEK PROCESS TO REVIEW, APPROVE, AND THEN GET THAT RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY. 
          THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF CONTRACT WITH THE CITY, UM, FOR THE LAND, SINCE WE ARE THE OWNER. 
          THE ZONE CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS FROM INITIAL SUBMITTAL TO FINAL HEARING WITH COUNSEL. 
          THAT CAN TAKE, IF EVERYTHING GOES REALLY WELL, ABOUT SIX MONTHS, THAT CAN BE LENGTHENED IF WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A COUPLE ROUNDS OF REVIEW OR THERE'S ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT COME UP. 
          UM, AND THEN ONCE THEY SUBMIT FOR BUILDING PERMITS REVIEW AND COMMENT AND REVISION OF PLANS, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT, AT LEAST FOUR MONTHS BEFORE THEY WOULD GET A BUILDING PERMIT. 
          YOU'RE TALKING A YEAR. 
          YOU'RE TALKING A YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN THAT WOULD BE LIKE IF EVERYTHING GOES EXACTLY ACCORDING TO PLAN, UM, YOU KNOW, AND EVERYONE'S ON TOP OF THINGS, CONSTRUCTION POTENTIALLY START IN ABOUT A YEAR. 
          QUESTION FOR PATRICK. 
          DOES THIS THANK YOU. 
          DOES THIS TIMELINE FIT YOUR TIMELINE? THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          I AM, I'M ACTUALLY OVER THE MOON AND ELATED BECAUSE I WAS EXPECT KERRY, YOU'RE LIKE THE DELIVERER OF THE BEST INFORMATION POSSIBLE . 
          UM, WE WE'RE GONNA GO CHANGE IT  IN OUR HEADS. 
          WE WERE HOPING TO BREAK GROUND, PUT SHOVEL IN THE GROUND IN A YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS. 
          THIS ACTUALLY IS EVEN BETTER THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED. 
          IF, AND WE, YOU HAVE OUR WORD THAT WHATEVER IT TAKES ON OUR END TO ADHERE TO THIS AND KNOWING THAT, I AGREE, SOME OF THESE THINGS MAY TAKE LONGER, BUT I EVEN THINK IF IT DOES TAKE LONGER, THAT WILL MEET OUR TIMELINE PERFECTLY. 
          AND IF ALL GOES WELL LIKE THIS, WE'RE SIX MONTHS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. 
          UM, SO YES, THIS DON'T COUNT ON IT. 
          THIS YEAH. 
           YOU JUST JIN I TRUST YOU ALL. 
          YOU JUST JINXED. 
          YOU JUST JINXED. 
          YEAH, BUT I DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. 
          THIS, THIS WOULD BE PERFECT. 
          THIS WOULD BE AMAZING FOR US. 
          'CAUSE IN OUR HEAD WE HAD A YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS JUST THINKING THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT IT WOULD TAKE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, DO YOU HAVE MARK? YEAH. 
          UH, QUESTION FOR CARRYING IN, BUT GO FOR IT. 
          UM, AND IN FACT, NOW, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS LIKE BEST CASE SCENARIO TIMELINE. 
          SO, SO REALISTICALLY, IF YOU GET DIRECTION TODAY FROM COUNCIL TO START WORKING ON THIS, WHEN DOES THIS TIMELINE ACTUALLY START? UM, WELL WE NEED TO TALK LIKE THE FIRST STEP BEING, YOU KNOW, DEFINING WHAT LAND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE, BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY NEED THAT BEFORE THEY CAN REALLY DESIGN STUFF. 
          BUT THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME MEETINGS AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY AARON IN PUBLIC WORKS TO DROP NEW LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS AND, AND ALL OF THAT. 
          SO I MEAN, THE NEXT WEEK IS CHRISTMAS AND THE FOLLOWING IS NEW YEAR, RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WE COULD. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          MY QUESTION WAS BACK TO PATRICK, SO I'M MAKING YOU WORK, TONY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO WORRIES. 
          GET MY STEPS IN. 
          I CAN SEE OVER THERE IF YOU NO, YOU'RE GOOD. 
           BEING COGNIZANT THAT SORT OF MANY PROJECTS KIND OF LAUNCHED BUT SORT OF FAILED TO ACHIEVE AND SOME OF IT'S BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST ISN'T REALLY WHAT THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE. 
          OR GETTING THROUGH BUILDING MASSING CHANGE THE COST OF THE, I WONDER WHEN YOU NEED THAT PART TO START, THAT COMES AT THE END OF THE SCHEDULE. 
          IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT HAS TO BE THE END OF THE PROCESS EITHER. 
          I'M THINKING BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, THAT 
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YOU REALLY NEED TO SHARPEN YOUR PENCIL A LITTLE BIT MAYBE EARLY IN THE EARLIER IN THIS PROCESS SO YOU CAN BEGIN THAT FUNDRAISING EFFORT THAT YOU HAVE TO DO YES. 
          TO MAKE THIS ACHIEVE. 
          SO I'M WONDERING HOW THAT FITS. 
          AND TONY, YOU'VE TALKED, SHOULD I SIT NEXT TO YOU? UM, WE, TONY, YOU'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DO A, LET'S GET EVERYONE AT THE TABLE AT ONE TIME AND SORT OF ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS BEFORE THE PERM BEFORE THE APPLICATION IS ACTUALLY DUE. 
          SO YEAH, LET PATRICK GO FIRST. 
          OH, SURE. 
          WELL, AND THIS IS A, THIS IS AN AMAZING AND CRITICAL FIRST STEP FOR US BECAUSE IF WE GET YOUR BLESSING TODAY, WHICH I HOPE WE DO, AND, AND WE'LL WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE STAFF, OUR FUNDRAISING AND OUR, OUR THINGS SHIFT TO IMMEDIATE. 
          UM, WE'VE ALREADY HAD SOME INITIAL TALKS, WE ALREADY KNOW SOME INITIAL THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING AND PEOPLE THAT WANNA BE INVOLVED. 
          WE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO SAY, ALRIGHT, WE GOT THE BLESSING FROM THE CITY, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND WE'RE PUTTING A SHOVEL IN THE DIRT IN HOPEFULLY A YEAR AND A HALF. 
          AND SO WE, IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, WE WILL BEGIN IMMEDIATELY UPON WHAT GETS DECIDED TODAY OR WHENEVER YOU DECIDE TO MAKE THIS DECISION, UH, BECAUSE THOSE WHEELS HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN MOTION. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? TONY? DID YOU ABSOLUTE WITH US, TONY. 
          LET'S ALL BE FRIENDS. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          UM, NO, SO IN REGARDS TO, TO ANSWER, UM, THE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPT, WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS THE IDEA OF GETTING EVERYBODY TOGETHER THAT COULD PLAY A ROLE IN HOW THIS WORKS MOVING FORWARD AND JUST HAVE A VERY, UM, A, A DEBRIEF WHERE THEY BRING THE INFORMATION TO THE TABLE, YOU KNOW, IN ITS CURRENT OR CLOSE TO READY FORM. 
          AND THEN IT GIVES ALL OF THE STAFF THAT WOULD HAVE INPUT IN THE PROCESS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE A QUICK REACTION, THINK ABOUT THIS, THINK ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, TYPES OF THINGS. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS MOVE THE PROCESS FASTER. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, WE WOULD PLAN TO DO THAT HERE. 
          GREAT. 
          I THINK MY QUESTION ACTUALLY IS, KURT, I THINK, SO ONCE WE MAKE A DECISION WHETHER OWN OR LEASE, IF WE WERE TO MAKE THE DECISION ON LEASE, UM, AND WE'VE COMMITTED THAT THEY'RE GONNA GO GET THAT LAND AND WE START, WHEN DO THEY HAVE TO START PAYING ON THE LEASE? WHEN DOES THAT CONTRACT GO INTO EFFECT? SO THE CONTRACT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY. 
          UH, PAYMENTS, UH, LEASE PAYMENTS CAN OFTEN BE POSTPONED UNTIL CONSTRUCTION'S COMPLETED, UM, OR REDUCED. 
          UH, SO THAT'S ALL NEGOTIABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY, I WAS JUST ASKING ON YOUR BEHALF, THANK YOU , AND I REALLY LIKE YOUR ANSWER. 
          UM, I THINK YOU SAID ONLY ASK FROM THE CITY WOULD BE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          CORRECT. 
          WOULD YOU, WOULD THAT ALL BE PART OF THIS PROCESS, FIGURING OUT WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO BE DONE AND WHAT THE POTENTIAL COST OF THE CITY WOULD BE? UM, YEAH, SO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, SO AGAIN, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE HAVE TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING A WIDE ENOUGH ROAD, UM, AS WE DEFINE THE PROPERTY TO INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, A ROAD AND A SHARED USE PATH AND UTILITIES AND ALL OF THAT. 
          WE, 'CAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL ON THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, WE MIGHT GO A LITTLE WIDER THAN WE TYPICALLY DO, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP. 
          BUT THEN THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PUTTING IN THE ROAD THE, YOU KNOW, AND ALL OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, AT LEAST TO GET ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, MIGHT NEED TO GO OUT TO THE LIGHT. 
          SO THAT WOULD WRAP AROUND. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THEN PART OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD GET DESIGNED BUT THEN THROUGH A POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR SOMETHING WOULD DETERMINE PAYMENT FOR IT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW ALL THE LOGISTICS TO THAT. 
          DO WE KNOW HOW CLOSE WATER AND ALL THE, ALL THAT STUFF IS TO THE, UM, HOW GO TO THAT? SO I MEAN THE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHEN THE AMPHITHEATER OPERATED, THEY DID HAVE RUNNING WATER AND TOILETS. 
          SO I'M ASSUMING IT'S OUT THERE SOMEWHERE. 
          WE JUST NEED TO, UM, MAKE SURE IT'S ALL . 
          CAN YOU PUT THE SITE MAP UP AGAIN PLEASE? UH, TO MAKE FROM WHAT WE WERE TOLD WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, 'CAUSE AGAIN, OUR, OUR, UM, ARCHITECT IS REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT AND HAS BEEN WORKING WITH IT SINCE 2003 WITH TENNYSON. 
          UM, APPARENTLY THE LINES ARE IN UP TO THERE BECAUSE OF WHERE THE BATHROOMS WERE LOCATED AND THINGS. 
          APPARENTLY THERE'S SEWER, ELECTRIC WATER I THINK THAT ARE ALREADY IN UP TO THAT POINT. 
          I COULD BE WRONG, HE COULD BE WRONG, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD. 
          UM, AND WHEN WE MET WITH THE WONDERFUL GENTLEMAN THAT WORKS FOR THE CITY WITH THE PONYTAIL RIGHT ACROSS, OVER THERE. 
          OH, KURT. 
          KURT, UM, WE MET WITH KURT. 
          THANK YOU 
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KURT CONFIRMED THAT. 
          SORRY, KURT, IF YOU'RE LISTENING, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME. 
          UM, HE CONFIRMED THAT WHEN WE WERE WITH HIM AND WAS SAYING HOW EASY FROM A CITY'S PERSPECTIVE IT WOULD BE TO EXTEND THOSE BECAUSE WATER FLOWS DOWN AND IT GOES DOWN TO THE ROAD. 
          AND THAT'S HOW THAT PITCH IS. 
          SO I'M, I'M PARAPHRASING, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT HE SAID. 
          I JUST WANTED TO THROW OUT THE IDEA THAT SOME OF THE UTILITY, UM, FIXTURES AND THINGS ON SITE HAVE BEEN DAMAGED. 
          SO A LOT OF THE, THE MAIN INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE, BUT THERE WILL NEED TO BE REPAIR TO A LOT OF IT AS WELL. 
          SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UM, GIVEN THE TIMING OF ALL OF THIS, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT IF THE CITY COUNCIL'S INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN SOME WAY IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE, WE WOULD HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME BALLPARK ESTIMATES, UM, THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN YOUR TENTATIVE BUDGET BY THE TIME WE GET TO THAT POINT IN MAY. 
          IF YOU WANTED SOMETHING IN THE CAPITAL PROGRAM RELATED TO INFRASTRUCTURE AT THIS SITE. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. 
          I WOULD JUST SAY AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, IF ROAD CERTAIN STUFF ARE GONNA BE DUG UP TO MAYBE DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE LARGER ANTICIPATING SOMETHING BUILT ON THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. 
          HOPEFULLY WE HAVE BETTER, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT JUST SO THAT THAT COULD BE ANOTHER WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY ONLY NEED OWN THIS MUCH FOR THE FILM FESTIVAL, BUT OTHER DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE WILL NEED LARGER LINES THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO DO THAT ALL ONE TIME AT THE BEGINNING TIME. 
          DO DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY, UH, PREFERENCE AT THIS MOMENT WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? JUST IN PHILOSOPHICALLY, UH, PURCHASE OR LEASE? I'M AT, I'M AT LEASE  JUST BECAUSE I, I WONDER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE. 
          NONE OF US KNOW THE FUTURE AND IF IT REMAINS OUR LAND, IT'S OUR LAND. 
          ERIC, I'M IN FAVOR OF WHATEVER GETS THE CITY AS MUCH OF ITS MONEY BACK IS, SAY THAT AGAIN. 
          I'M IN FAVOR OF WHATEVER GETS THE CITY AS MUCH OF ITS INVESTMENT BACK, WHETHER THAT'S A LEASE OR A PURCHASE OR WHATEVER. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A QUESTION WHETHER THE, WHETHER WE GET THE MONEY OVER TIME OR WHETHER WE GET A ONE-TIME PAYMENT. 
          SO I'M OTHERWISE AMBIVALENT. 
          I, SO I, I KIND OF ACTUALLY AGREE WITH PETE. 
          I, I THINK ELISE GIVES US A LITTLE MORE CONTROL OVER SHOULD THEY DECIDE THEY'RE GONNA MOVE OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS. 
          WE HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER WHAT COULD GO THERE THAN IF THEY JUST SELL IT ONCE IT'S BEEN REZONED. 
          SO I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT JUST GIVES US A LITTLE MORE CONTROL OVER WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT THERE AS IT IS THE GATEWAY TO SEDONA. 
          IT'S THE WESTERN S YEAH, MY COLLEAGUE JUST CONVINCED ME TO GO FROM AMBIVALENT TO, UH, LEASE, SO THANK YOU. 
          I'M AT LEAST ALSO BECAUSE IF THE FAIR MARKET VALUE WAS AROUND $15 MILLION, WE'D HAVE TO GO TO A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE. 
          CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BUT CONSIDERING THE CITY BOUGHT THE ENTIRE PARCEL FOR 2020 1 MILLION, THAT WAS HOW MANY YEARS AGO? AND THE VALUES, AND THIS IS ONLY PATRICK, I JUST HAD A HEART ATTACK, , AND THIS IS ONLY A VERY SMALL PORTION OF IT. 
          SO IT LOOKS LIKE LEASE. 
          LEASE. 
          IS THAT YOUR PREFERENCE? ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY WE, WE'VE SAID THAT FROM THE BEGINNING. 
          I THINK IN ALL THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH EVERYBODY, THAT YOU ALL PAID A LOT OF MONEY. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU DID, YOU PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY. 
          AND WE FULLY BELIEVE THAT THE CITY SHOULD MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP. 
          IT GIVES YOU CONTROL OF WHAT HAPPENS THERE. 
          IT GETS MONEY BACK ON YOUR INVESTMENT. 
          UM, WE CAN WE'LL PROVE OURSELVES IF 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD YOU GO, THIS IS JUST AMAZING. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. 
          YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. 
          WE CAN ENTER TALKS THEN. 
          BUT OUR OUR INTENT FROM THE BEGINNING WAS THAT THIS WOULD BE A, A LEASE ARRANGEMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS PERFECT. 
          SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US TODAY? THAT'S, SO I WOULD SUGGEST, WELL CERTAINLY DIRECTION AS IT RELATES TO, UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO START THIS PROCESS, THEN WE WOULD NEED SOME SENSE OF DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL TO GO AHEAD AND START GEARING UP SO THAT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WE CAN KICK THIS OFF AND MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, AND THEN THE DIRECTION IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, WOULD BE ELISE, UM, SO IF WE CAN INCLUDE THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE DIALOGUE AS TO, UM, THE TYPES OF THINGS WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERING FROM THEM. 
          SO OTHER THAN, GO AHEAD. 
          DO YOU NEED ANYTHING 
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SPECIFIC, CARRIE? I WOULD JUST SAY KURT NEEDS TO WEIGH IN ON WHETHER THAT'S ENOUGH OR YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF FORMAL ACTION OR SO, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH. 
          I WOULD LEAVE IT AS, AS DREW, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE A MOTION, BUT, UM, TO, TO EXPLORE OR LEAVE IT IN, UH, TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP THE LEASE SUBJECT. 
          YOU KNOW, HOW WE HAVE LANGUAGE LIKE THAT GENERALLY IN THERE. 
          UH, 'CAUSE WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT TO THE POINT OF ALREADY, UH, FULLY APPROVING THIS. 
          THERE'S A LOT TO BE, UH, FIGURED OUT BEFORE WE BRING BACK INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS TO THE, TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. 
          SO, SO DO YOU PREFER A MOTION OR DIRECTION'S GOOD ENOUGH? I, I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH JUST DIRECTION TODAY. 
          UM, UH, I MEAN WE GET A MOTION ON THE LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT. 
          THAT'S THE FIRST, THE FIRST, UM, ACTION. 
          BUT AGAIN, I GUESS, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT REALLY APPROVING THE LOT. 
          LINE ADJUST. 
          WE DON'T EXACTLY APPROVE YET. 
          SO, SO I MEAN, I FALL BACK ON, ON DIRECTIONS ENOUGH FOR TODAY, UM, TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THE, THE LAND LEASE LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT, UM, TO, TO ACCOMMODATE A SIFT DEVELOPMENT AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY, UH, WOULD BE ENOUGH TO GET STAFF GOING, THEN WE COULD BRING BACK INDIVIDUAL ITEMS FOR COUNCIL APPROVAL AS THEY'RE READY. 
          EVERYBODY READY TO DO THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, I'M GONNA ECHO KATHY'S VOICE OF THE PAST. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE COUNCIL HAVE A MOTION AND VOTE AND I WOULD GIVE STAFF A FEW MINUTES TO DRAFT SOME LANGUAGE. 
          KATHY IS PRETTY GOOD DOING IT ON ONLINE, BUT WHY DON'T WE MOVE ALONG AND, AND ALLOW SOME LANGUAGE TO COME BACK TO US. 
          COULD I ACTUALLY TAKE A STAB AT SOME LANGUAGE FOR THEM TO CONSIDER? BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO GIVE DIRECTION, UH, FOR STAFF TO PROCEED WITH THE PROCESS TOWARD THE, UH, LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT AND ZONING QUESTIONS REGARDING THE WESTERN GATEWAY, A WESTERN GATEWAY PARCEL WITH THE EYE TOWARD ACCOMMODATING THE SEDONA INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE AND A, UH, AND PROCEED WITH THE DRAFTING OF POTENTIAL LEASE AGREEMENTS. 
          YEAH, IF, IF IT, I I LIKE THE WORD POTENTIAL IN THERE AND THE DIRECTION THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. 
          IF THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION COUNCIL WANTS, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. 
          CAN I SECOND  ? RIGHT? THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILOR, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO SAY? I, I SAW, I THOUGHT I SAW YOUR HAND. 
          WELL, I, I JUST, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ACTUALLY FOR KURT. 
          'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOT MENTIONED IN KATHY'S MOTION MM-HMM . 
          UM, WAS, UH, ABOUT THE ZONING. 
          SO AT WHAT POINT DO WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE ZONING? WELL, I THINK I, I THINK THE LANGUAGE DID ADDRESS AND SAID, UM, I KNOW YOU SAID ZONING. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT, IF I'M JUST CURIOUS LEGALLY, LIKE DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT BEFORE LOT LINES ARE MOVED? NO. 
          SO LOT LINE ADJUSTMENTS CAN BE DONE. 
          A LEASE COULD EVEN BE DONE SUBJECT TO A ZONING APPROVAL. 
          UM, BUT COUNCIL'S THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN APPROVE THE ZONING APPROVAL. 
          WE'RE NOT THERE YET. 
          AND THAT PROCESS HAS TO GO THROUGH P AND Z FIRST FOR RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, SO YEAH, WE ARE, WE'RE MONTHS AWAY FROM A YEAH, BUT WE CAN DO ALL OF THIS WITHOUT, YOU CAN PROVIDE THE DIRECTION, AS THE MOTION SAYS TO, TO BEGIN THAT PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANNA KNOW ALL THE ACTIONS THAT THEY'RE DOING OVER HERE CAN BE DONE WITHOUT US HAVING TO CHANGE THE ZONE, THAT'S ALL. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE ZONING, WE NEED A LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF WHAT PARCEL IS BEING. 
          UH, SO YOU HAVE TO DO THE LOT LINES TO GET YOUR LEGAL YEAH. 
          WITH YOU. 
          OKAY, BRIAN, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, THIS IS A PRETTY DARN BIG DEAL, I THINK FOR THE CITY OF SEDONA TO BE IN THE POSITION OF, UH, MOVING THIS MOTION FORWARD TODAY. 
          AND, UH, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, EVEN, I DON'T THINK YOU WERE PROBABLY THINKING ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, BUT, BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, LIKE THIS BECOMING, UH, AS REAL AS IT SURE LOOKS LIKE IS, UH, A PRETTY NEW THING AND, UH, AND WOW FOR OUR CITY AND FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT THAT CAN MEAN. 
          SO, UM, ON TUESDAY, PATRICK, UM, WE HAD A CONSULTANT IN HERE WHO PUT OUT A, A METAPHOR ABOUT 66 DAYS AND ABOUT BASICALLY ACCOMPLISHING SOMETHING NOBODY THOUGHT POSSIBLE IN 66 DAYS. 
          AND STAFF'S GONNA BE SICK. 
          I MEAN, REMINDING THEM OF THE 66 DAYS. 
          BUT I LOVE IT BECAUSE IT GETS US THINKING ABOUT HOW CAN WE DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY, MORE EFFICIENTLY? AND, AND I WANT TO CHALLENGE US HERE FOR HOW WE CAN HAVE THAT 66 DAY MINDSET TO KEEP THIS THING MOVING AND FORWARD, GET YOU IN THERE ON THE RIGHT TIMEFRAME AND HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, A REAL AMENITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO I'M GONNA BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
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THANK YOU. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE MOTION, BUT I THINK PART OF MY INSTRUCTION TO CARRY WOULD BE, AS YOU'RE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS, DO SO WITH AN EYE TOWARD MINIMIZING THE EXPENSE TO THE CITY , UH, AND ALSO MINIMIZING, MINIMIZING THE IMPACT ON THE REMAINDER OF THE PARK. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH IT. 
          AND I DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS ON THIS SITE TO, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT WILL AFFECT IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE HAMSTRUNG, UH, WHETHER IT'S RESTORING THE AMPHITHEATER, PUTTING UP SOME HOUSING OR WHATEVER WE END UP DOING. 
          I JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE RETAIN FLEXIBILITY AND I'M CONFIDENT WE CAN DO THAT. 
          I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. 
          THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THAT WE PROBABLY WANT A LARGER RIGHT OF WAY JUST TO ACCOMMODATE THINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          READY TO VOTE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          OPPOSED? I'M THRILLED TO SAY YES. 
          I'M THRILLED. 
          THAT'S A GREAT, THAT'S THE GREATEST CHRISTMAS PRESENT WE COULD EVER GET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M SURE I'M ALLOWED TO TALK, BUT THANK YOU . 
          WOW. 
          GO MAKE MAGIC HAPPEN. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GET SOMETHING HERE. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE NOT DONE YET. 
          ? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WOW. 
          IT'S A BIG DAY. 
          IT IS A BIG DAY. 
          AND PATRICK, IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN 66 DAYS. 
          , IT'S A METAPHOR. 
          RIGHT? OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE NOT FINISHED WITH THIS. 
          UH, WE'RE FINISHED WITH PATRICK, BUT WE'RE NOT FINISHED WITH THIS, UH, ITEM BECAUSE THE REST OF THE ITEM SAYS AND OTHER PLANNING ACTIVITIES. 
          AND AT THAT TIME WHEN I WROTE THAT, I WAS UNSURE IF YOU WANTED TO GIVE US DIRECTION ON NEXT STEPS FOR THE MASTER PLANNING OF WESTERN GATEWAY REMAINDER, OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO AGENDIZE THAT AND BRING IT BACK FOR, UH, MORE FORMAL DISCUSSION ON, UH, WHAT WE'RE DIRECTING STAFF TO DO AND WHERE WE'RE AT WITH OUR CONSULTANTS. 
          SO, UM, I JUST ADDED THAT GENERIC STATEMENT AT THE END TO CAPTURE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS YOU GUYS HAVE OR WANT TO SHARE WITH US? I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THE AMPHITHEATER AND WHERE OUR HEADS ARE WITH THAT. 
          SINCE WE HAD THE PRESENTATIONS AND WE'VE HAD SUBSEQUENT EMAILS AND OUTREACH FROM VARIOUS AND SUNDRY PEOPLE, UH, I HEARD A LOT OF SKEPTICISM FROM FOLKS, UH, BUT I ALSO HEARD MAYBE A WILLINGNESS TO EXPLORE MORE SO THAT THE, WE'D HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. 
          SO I WOULD ASK PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE AT, WHOEVER WANTS TO RAISE THEIR HANDS AND START. 
          UH, QUESTION FOR KURT. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY MEANS OF REFERRING THIS QUESTION TO THE VOTERS? UH, SO NO. 
          THE, THE CITY IS LIMITED TO HOLDING ELECTIONS ON ITEMS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED IN STATE STATUTE. 
          UH, AND THIS TYPE OF QUESTION, A ZONING ISSUE IS NOT. 
          SO, UM, THE VOTERS CAN DO AN INITIATIVE ON IT. 
          THEY CAN DO, THEY CAN DO A REFERENDUM ON A CITY ACTION. 
          UH, THE CLOSEST THING THE CITY CAN DO. 
          AND THERE'S CERTAIN CASES WHERE THE STEMS FROM A SCOTTSDALE, UH, AND TEMPE CASE WHERE THE SCOTTSDALE CITY COUNCIL, UH, THIS BACK IN THE SEVENTIES, I THINK, UH, WANTED TO REFER A, A WATER TANK ISSUE TO THE VOTERS. 
          AND THEY DID. 
          AND, AND THE DEVELOPER CHALLENGED THAT AND WON AND SAID, YOU CAN'T JUST REFER WHATEVER YOU WANT TO, UH, THE VOTERS, YOU CAN ONLY ONLY HOLD THE ELECTIONS ON WHAT'S SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED IN STATE STATUTE. 
          AND SO THE CLOSEST THING WE CAN DO IS, AND THE COURT CALLED THAT YOU CAN'T USE ELECTIONS FOR PUBLIC OPINION POLLING. 
          BASICALLY. 
          THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT QUESTION. 
          SO CAN WE GET IT? CAN WE HAVE AN ADVISORY VOTE? , WE CAN'T HAVE ADVISORY VOTES, WE CAN'T DO, BUT WE CAN TOTALLY DO ANY TYPE OF PUBLIC OPINION POLLING YOU'D LIKE TO DO IN WHATEVER FORM. 
          UH, SO THAT'S THE CLOSEST YOU CAN DO. 
          UM, AND SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'S, IT WOULDN'T BE A BINDING DECISION, BUT IT COULD, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD MAIL OUT TO EVERY REGISTERED VOTER. 
          YOU CAN MAIL IT OUT TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD HOWEVER YOU WANT. 
          DO, YOU COULD PRE POSTED PREPAID, YOU COULD DO YOUR BEST, YOU COULD HOLD POLLING STATIONS. 
          IT JUST WON'T BE AN OFFICIAL VOTE. 
          YOU CAN DO ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES TO GET, UM, CITYWIDE INPUT ON THAT ISSUE IF YOU WANTED. 
          AND DID, KURT AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY THAT THIS VERY SUBJECT AND UH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO SURVEY THE COMMUNITY, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMA. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WOULD SAY BECAUSE, UH, 
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THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, THAT THE, WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY BEFORE THERE WAS, IT TOOK THE ENTIRE IT WHEN WE DID THOSE, WHAT DO THEY CALL BUTTON? THE PUT THE, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT EXERCISE WHEN WE PUT THIS, IT WAS THE FIRST BUBBLE MAP. 
          THE BUBBLE MAP FIRST WE DID THE BUBBLE MAP ON THE AMPHITHEATER. 
          IT TOOK UP THE ENTIRE SITE AND PEOPLE WERE SAYING, WE DON'T WANT JUST TO HAVE AN AMPHITHEATER. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT REFLECTS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMUNITY THINKS. 
          I'VE HEARD EVERYTHING FROM PEOPLE, UH, VERY MIXED. 
          UH, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WAS NECESSARILY A FAIR REPRESENTATION BECAUSE WHEN THE 2.0 PEOPLE CAME HERE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU AGREED OR DISAGREED WITH THEIR PLAN, IT CERTAINLY HAD OTHER ELEMENTS ON THE PLAN, NOT JUST IN AMPHITHEATER. 
          YOU WANNA SPEAK, I MEAN, MY SUGGESTION FOR THE POLL, I MEAN, I, I KNOW ONE OPTION IS TO COME UP WITH A PLAN AND THEN PUT IT OUT TO THE POLL, BUT THE SIMPLER THING MAY BE JUST TO ASK THE QUESTION, DO YOU WANT THE CITY TO EXPLORE THE REOPENING IN THE AMPHITHEATER? AND IF TWO THIRDS OF THE PEOPLE SAY YES, THEN WE START DOWN THAT PATH. 
          IF TWO THIRDS OF THE PEOPLE SAY NO, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP HAVING THE CONVERSATION. 
          UM, I HAVE A FEELING, MY IMPRESSION IS THAT THE PUBLIC IS NOT NECESSARILY SUPPORTING IT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT HOW YOU ASK THE QUESTION, LIKE I THINK THE BUDGET SURVEY SAID, DO YOU WANT AN AMPHITHEATER IF IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE FUNDED WITH A CITY TAX? YEAH. 
          WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE RESULT YOU'RE GONNA GET WITH THAT. 
          BUT WE DON'T KNOW. 
          JUST THE BASE QUESTION IS DO PEOPLE WANT THE AMPHITHEATER TO REOPEN? AND THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT REALLY WANT IT TO REOPEN AND THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT REALLY DON'T WANT IT TO REOPEN, BUT WE DON'T KNOW FROM MOST OF THE PUBLIC WHAT THEY THINK. 
          KATHY. 
          YEAH, I MEAN I LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING PUBLIC OPINION, DOING A SURVEY OF THAT. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. 
          'CAUSE MY IMPRESSION AS WELL AS YOURS COUNSELOR IS THAT MOST PEOPLE OPPOSE IT. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT, 'CAUSE I'VE ONLY HEARD FROM THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BOTHERED TO HAVE A, A STRONG OPINION SO FAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS IT'S, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IN THE WORDING OF THE QUESTION. 
          UH, NOT JUST TO LEAD IN TERMS OF ECONOMICS, BUT THE SIZE OF AN AMPHITHEATER IS I THINK A KEY COMPONENT. 
          I MEAN, I THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE, THAT MIGHT BE OPPOSED TO A 5,000 SEAT AMPHITHEATER MAY SAY A THOUSAND SEAT VENUE OR, YOU KNOW, IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO INCORPORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THE MORE INFORMATION WE INCORPORATE INTO A QUESTION, THE MORE LEADING THE QUESTION BECOMES. 
          SO IT'S A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF. 
          YEAH. 
          AND AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THAT WE WOULD SPEND HOWEVER MANY MONTHS COMING UP WITH THE NEUTRAL LANGUAGE. 
          AND I MEAN, THERE IS A NEUTRAL QUESTION. 
          THE NEUTRAL QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT THE AMPHITHEATER BACK? I THINK THAT'S ABOUT AS NEUTRAL AS WE CAN GET AND IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION AND WE CAN GO DOWN THAT PATH. 
          AND THEN AS I DON'T KNOW, UH, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, SOMEONE WHO SUPPORTS A 1000 SEAT AMPHITHEATER MAY NOT SUPPORT 5,000, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO JUST KNOW GENERALLY WHAT THE PUBLIC IS THINKING ABOUT THIS. 
          NOT JUST THE PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP AT THE, AT THE HUB OR JUST THE PEOPLE THAT YELL AT US ON NEXT DOOR OR SHOW UP TO THE MEETINGS. 
          UM, THERE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, OVERWHELMING PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          BRIAN, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UM, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THE QUESTION IS SIMPLE AS DO YOU SUPPORT REOPENING? THE AMPHITHEATER IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT SEEMS BECAUSE THAT THEN LEAVES THE READER OF THE QUESTION TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHO'S PAYING FOR IT, RIGHT? AND THAT IS AS LEADING AS INDICATING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD GET PUBLIC INPUT AT THE RIGHT TIME. 
          NOW IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME. 
          UH, I THINK HAVING A CHARETTE PROCESS, AS WAS SUGGESTED LAST WEEK, THAT ARRIVES AT ONE OR TWO POSSIBLE, UM, END GAMES OF THE LAND USE GIVES, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE EXAMPLES OF, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL LIKE A, YOU'LL LIKE B AS A FOR INSTANCE. 
          AND AT THE MEETING LAST WEEK, I BELIEVE THERE WAS CONSENSUS THAT WE WERE GOING TO GIVE THE THE 2.0 GROUP, UM, OFFICIAL, UM, SANCTION TO, UM, TO GO AND PREPARE A BUSINESS CASE, A BUSINESS PLAN THAT 
          [04:45:01]
INCLUDES THEM BEING ABLE TO CONTACT CONCERT PROMOTION COMPANIES TO BE ABLE TO HAVE LEGITIMATE CONVERSATIONS THAT LEAD TO, YOU KNOW, BUILDING OUT THAT BUSINESS CASE, THAT BUSINESS PLAN. 
          UH, SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE, THE CONSENSUS THAT SEEMED VERY OBVIOUS LAST WEDNESDAY, UH, ON THAT. 
          AND UH, GIVE THEM, GIVE DIRECTION TO KURT TO DRAFT THE LETTER. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, WHEN UH, WHEN WE'VE GOT MORE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO TRULY REACT TO, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD GET THAT INPUT FROM THEM. 
          MELISSA. 
          SO HONESTLY, THAT'S NOT WHAT I HEARD THEM SAY DURING THAT MEETING. 
          WHAT I HEARD THEM SAY DURING THE MEETING IS THEY WANTED TO SIT DOWN WITH STAFF AND DRAW UP A BUSINESS MODEL AND A BUSINESS CASE WITH STAFF. 
          AND THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU JUST SAID. 
          AND THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING. 
          I DON'T THINK WE, THE CITY SHOULD BE ENGAGED IN THIS BUSINESS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          WE SHOULD LEASE THEM THE LAND JUST LIKE WE'RE LEASING IT TO, TO SIF AND THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR WHATEVER IT IS THEY'RE GONNA PAY FOR AND THEY'RE GONNA SUCCEED OR FAIL ON THEIR OWN. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT USE THAT LAND COULD BE PUT TO SHOULD THEY FAIL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          NUMBER ONE. 
          NUMBER TWO, I, I AGREE IN THAT. 
          YOU, YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, DO YOU WANT AN AMPHITHEATER? 'CAUSE THE ANSWER FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD BE YES, WE WANT A PLACE WHERE WE CAN DO LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, RIGHT? YES. 
          WE DON'T WANNA BE SQUISHED DURING A RED DIRT CONCERT OVER AT THE CURRENT POSSE GROUND. 
          RIGHT? UM, COZY NOT SQUISHING. 
          COZY. 
          COZY, SORRY, COZY. 
          AND WHEN IT'S WARM OUT, IT FEELS A LITTLE SQUISHED . 
          UM, ANYWAY, MY, TO ME THERE ARE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS OF TALKING ABOUT DO WE WANT AN OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY, RIGHT? THIS IS A COMMERCIAL. 
          THEY'RE ASK, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS A COMMERCIAL 5,500 SEAT. 
          MM-HMM  1000 PARKING SLOTS UP ON THE GROUNDS UP ON WESTERN PLUS FESTIVAL GROUNDS, PLUS A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR MAP, THERE'S A LOT THAT'S ALL THIS COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT THEY WANT TO DRIVE COMMERCIALLY THAT COULD BE DIFFERENT THAN SAYING, HEY JOSH, 1500, 2000 SEATS. 
          WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN US, US THE CITY REDOING THE AMPHITHEATER SO THAT YOU COULD USE THAT SPACE FOR A LIVE ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY? SO IIII DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS DOING THE JAPANESE I I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OR IF HE WAS SAYING YES, I WOULD LIKE THAT. 
          I KNOW YOU NEED A MIC. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU CARRIE. 
          OH, I HERE. 
           CARRIE'S ALWAYS NEEDED. 
          SO FOLLOW THE MIC , SHE'S SMART. 
          YES, I DEFINITELY HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          AND OF COURSE THAT'S A TRICKY QUESTION. 
          I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO TAKE THAT WHOLE WESTERN GATEWAY AREA AND MAKE THE WHOLE THING A PARK AND OPEN SPACE AND TRAILS AND DREAM REAL BIG. 
          DO IT ALL IN 66 DAYS, DO IT THAT WAY, . 
          SO OF COURSE I'M NOT GONNA BE THE ONE TO BE LIKE, NO, WE DON'T WANT THE AMPHITHEATER, WE DON'T WANT THE OPEN SPACE OR THAT KIND OF THING. 
          MY THING WITH THE AMPHITHEATER IS I WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE THAT IN SACRIFICE OR IN PLACE OF THAT EVENT SPACE. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY IN NEED OF IN PARKS AND REC IS AT LEAST LIKE A MINIMUM OF TWO ACRES. 
          SOCCER FIELD SIZE TYPE AREA WHERE WE CAN HOST THOSE RENTAL EVENTS THAT WE'RE HAVING TO TURN DOWN. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY EVENTS. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE THAT WANT TO COME TO SEDONA AND THE ONLY THING WE'RE ABLE TO OFFER THEM IS PAA GROUND PARK THAT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO OVERRUN. 
          SO IF WE CAN HAVE THAT COMMUNITY SPACE THAT WE CAN MOVE SOME OF OUR EVENTS THERE, HOST SOME OF THOSE OTHER COMMUNITY EVENTS FROM THE OUTSIDE, THAT WOULD BE OUR BIG PRIORITY IS DOING THAT. 
          SO I WOULDN'T WANT THE AMPHITHEATER TO BE IN PLACE OF THAT. 
          BUT OF COURSE IF THAT AMPHITHEATER IS THERE AND WE CAN FIT 1000 1500 PEOPLE IN THERE, IT'S A DREAM VENUE TO HOST RED DIRT CONCERTS AND MOVIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE PARK THERE AND EXPAND OFF WHAT WE HAVE AT THE PAVILION CURRENTLY. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT, UM, I, I THINK WHERE WE'RE AT IS NOT BLESSING THE TOTAL LAND USE MAP THAT THE 2.0 FOLKS WALKED IN WITH. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S STILL HIGHLY NEGOTIABLE, INCLUDING MAKING SURE THERE IS SUFFICIENT, UH, OPEN SPACE FOR THE USES LIKE WHAT JOSH YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT. 
          I REALLY THINK WE ARE JUST SIMPLY AT THE STAGE WITH THEM OF CAN THEY GO OFF AND PUT TOGETHER A BUSINESS CASE. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE EXPECTING STAFF TO TELL THEM HOW TO DO THAT. 
          I MEAN, I SPOKE WITH ONE OF THEIR REPRESENTATIVES THE DAY AFTER THE MEETING AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE EXPECTING TO BE HELD TO A HIGH STANDARD TO GO DO THE WORK AND THEN COME BACK HERE. 
          AND IF WE DO A CHARETTE PROCESS LIKE WHAT, UH, ALAN HAD SUGGESTED, 
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THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE BEHOLDEN TO THE LAND USE, UH, SUGGESTIONS THAT THE 2.0 GROUP, UH, NECESSARILY PUT IN FRONT OF US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO I HEAR MY COLLEAGUE ON THIS SIDE OF ME THAT WANTS A CLEAR, PRECISE, QUICK, EASY QUESTION. 
          AND I HEAR MY COLLEAGUE ON THE FAR SIDE OF ME AS WELL WHO WANTED TO ADD I THINK, UM, A, A GOOD DEAL OF DETAIL TO SPECIFY IT. 
          AND I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A, I THINK THERE IS A WAY TO DO THAT. 
          I MEAN, I LIKE YOUR LANGUAGE, MELISSA, BECAUSE THE QUESTION THAT IS BEFORE US, THE ONLY, PER THE ONLY THE GROUP THAT HAS THE PROPOSAL IS ASKING FOR SOMETHING SPECIFIC, A 55, A HUNDRED SEAT COMMERCIALLY OPERATED AMPHITHEATER. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE SIMPLE QUESTION BECOMES IS COMMUNITY CITY COUNCIL'S LOOKING FOR YOUR GUIDANCE? DO YOU WANT A 5,500 SEAT COMMERCIAL AMPHITHEATER OPERATING IN SEDONA AT THIS SITE? I MEAN, SO I, I JUST, I OFFER THAT. 
          AND NOW A SEPARATE THOUGHT ON THIS, WHICH IS I COMPLETELY SUPPORT WHAT WE JUST DID WITH THE FILM FESTIVAL AND I THINK IT'S GREAT AND I THINK IT WAS AN EASY ONE SORT OF TO DO BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A SENSE THAT THERE'S COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR SOMETHING THAT IS EXISTING AND OPERATING SUCCESSFULLY THAT PROBABLY EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM IS A MEMBER OF AS WELL BECAUSE WE SEE ITS VALUE IN SUPPORT, RIGHT? UM, BUT I'M WORRIED ABOUT SINCE WE FEEL SO WARM AND FUZZY ABOUT THAT AND WE ARE NOW LOOKING AT THE AMPHITHEATER SEPARATELY, WE HAD BOUGHT THAT LAND AND COMMITTED TO A MASTER PLAN PROCESS SO THAT IT COULD MEET A NUMBER OF NEEDS. 
          ONE WHICH IS BEING WAS IDENTIFIED AND IS BEING MET. 
          UM, BUT NOW WE'RE TAKING OUT THIS PIECE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT PIECE AND WHERE'S THE MASTER PLANNING PORTION THAT WE HAD ASPIRED TO. 
          UM, DOESN'T MEAN I THINK WE SHOULD SHUT THIS DOWN. 
          I STILL THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND IT'S TIME TO CLEAR THIS UP IN THE COMMUNITY TO MOVE AHEAD WITH SOME SORT OF PUBLIC OPINION POLL ON A QUESTION AS I SAID IT FIRST. 
          BUT I THINK SOMEWHERE IT'S GOTTA STOP THAT WE STOP CARVING THAT OUT. 
          'CAUSE THEN WE'RE NOT MASTER PLANNING. 
          I HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UH, WE HA WE DON'T HAVE A MASTER PLAN AND TO, TO GET TO A MASTER PLAN, I THINK WE HAVE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION. 
          UH, BUT I WOULD ASK JOSH FIRST. 
          UM, CAN, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAID THIS, SO IT'S A CLARIFICATION QUESTION. 
          IF THERE WAS AN AMPHITHEATER THAT HAD A LOT OF OPEN SPACE, BECAUSE A GREAT PORTION OF IT IS SITTING OUTSIDE ON THE GRASS. 
          IS THAT, IS, CAN THAT BE USED FOR YOUR PURPOSES? YES AND NO. 
          YES, SOMEWHAT. 
          UM, BUT YOU TAKE SOME OF OUR EVENTS AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN MODIFY AND CHANGE EVENTS TO FIT THE NEEDS, BUT YOU TAKE OUR EVENT LIKE CELEBRATION OF SPRING, THAT'S PROBABLY OUR MOST POPULAR ATTENDED. 
          OR WE'LL GET 3,500, 4,000 PEOPLE AND IT'S LIKE CARNIVAL RIDES AND BOUNCE HOUSES IN THE EASTER EGG HUNTS AND THAT TYPE OF SETTING. 
          IT'S REALLY A LOT MORE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE A FLAT OPEN SPACE FOR AN EVENT LIKE THAT. 
          LIKE A LOT OF OUR EVENTS DO HAVE AN ASPECT OF MUSIC TO THEM THAT WILL EITHER PUT A STAGE ON THE FIELD OR USE AT THE PAVILION TO DO THAT WITH THE AMPHITHEATER IT AND THE SLOPED TIERED STYLE LIKE THAT WE'D REALLY NEED THAT EVENT SPACE IN ADDITION TO THE AMPHITHEATER, IF THAT WAS WHAT WAS GONNA BE. 
          SO THE AMPHITHEATER, OBVIOUSLY ITS PRIMARY SETUP WOULD BE MUSIC OR SHOWS AND THAT TYPE OF THING RATHER THAN JUST AN ASPECT OF THE EVENT. 
          THERE SENSE, SEE WHAT THEY PRESENTED TO US. 
          THEY PRESENTED IT IN A WAY THAT IT COULD BE MULTIPURPOSED AND THEY COULD HAVE COMMUNITY EVENTS ON THE GRASS. 
          NOW I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH SPACE OF THAT WHOLE SPACE IT REPRESENTS, BUT THAT WAS PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL. 
          SO I'M JUST CHECKING WITH YOU TO SEE WHETHER THAT FITS WITH YOUR NEEDS. 
          WOULD THAT BE FROM THEIR PROPOSAL ON THAT TIERED SEEDING GRASS AREA OR AS A SEPARATE FLAT GRASS AREA? I THOUGHT IT WAS FLAT, BUT THERE WAS NO, YOU DON'T KNOW. 
          THERE WAS NO SEPARATE GRASS AREA ON THEIR PROPOSAL. 
          IT WAS THE AMPHITHEATER AND THEN THE TIERED SEEDING AREAS AND THEN THE REST OF IT WAS PARKING AND BUILDINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, LET'S, SO GETTING BACK TO, I VERY MUCH WANT TO SURVEY THE COMMUNITY, UH, BUT I DON'T, I THINK THERE'S, IF WE, WE, TO ME, 
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WE AS COUNCIL NEED TO DO SOME HOMEWORK BECAUSE IF WE DECIDED THAT WE WANTED TO SAVE THE ASSET, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT 5,500 SEATS, WE WANTED 3000 SEATS OR SOME NUMBER, THAT COULD BE A COUNTER PROPOSAL THAT WE MADE BACK. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO. 
          IS IT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE OR NOT? SO THEN WE'D GO TO THE COMMUNITY WITH A DIFFERENT QUESTION AND I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE READY TO DO THAT. 
          SO I LIKE MYSELF THE CHARETTE PROCESS, WHICH COULD GET PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WOULD SATISFY THE COMMUNITY AND THEN THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD COMMERCIALLY WOULD BE, UH, ECONOMICALLY VIABLE OR COMMERCIALLY VIABLE. 
          UH, BUT I'M NOT AN EX, I SAID THIS LAST WEEK AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON ENTERTAINMENT VENUES AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANYBODY WHO IS AN EXPERT ON ENTERTAINMENT VENUES, ALTHOUGH SOME PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE SAID, WE DO HAVE EXPERIENCE AND WE'D LIKE TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS TO DEFINE THAT. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT. 
          UH, KATH, UH, SOME, UH, PETE AND THEN, UH, MELISSA AND THEN BRIAN. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          AND THEN DEREK. 
          I AND THEN DEREK AGAIN. 
          HE WANTS YOU TO KNOW  , UH, I THINK I JUST MAYBE STATE THE OBVIOUS, BUT IN THE PLANNING WORK THAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR, THE LATEST VERSION THAT CAME OUT, JOSH, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT NEEDS WERE IN THAT PLAN, RIGHT? THAT WAS IN, YOU WERE SATISFIED, THE DIRECTION WAS GONE, WAS THE DIRECTION THAT YOU WANTED IT TO GO. 
          AND SO I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYONE THAT, THAT OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS ARE ALREADY KIND OF, WERE ON PROGRAM. 
          AND IT WASN'T THE AMPHITHEATER, I'LL TELL YOU THAT IT WAS DIFFERENT SPACE THAN THAT. 
          UM, ABOUT THE POLL, YOU KNOW, OUR IDEA FOR A POLLING. 
          NOW I, YOU KNOW, I REALLY WASN'T EVEN MUCH OF A FAN ABOUT THAT, BUT I DO THINK THERE'S A PROPOSAL THAT'S BEEN ON THE TABLE THAT'S BEEN VERY DISRUPTIVE TO THE FORCE. 
          PERHAPS IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE'S ATTENTION AND I THINK A POLL NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED. 
          BUT IT DOES NEED TO BE SPECIFIC BECAUSE THE PROPOSAL WAS VERY SPECIFIC AND IT NEEDS TO BE ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, OKAY, SO, SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION. 
          EXCUSE ME FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEAK. 
          WHAT IF COUNCIL THOUGHT WE HAD A DIFFERENT IDEA? WELL, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE REALLY REENGAGE WITH THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS THAT WE'VE GOT. 
          WE, WE HAD A COMMUNITY PLAN AND A BIG PROCESS THAT TALKED ABOUT HOUSING. 
          WE'VE HAD A MASTER PLANNING PROCESS THAT'S GONE ON FOR MONTHS. 
          LOTS OF OUTREACH, LOTS OF FEEDBACK, LOTS OF WORK, LOTS OF PROPOSALS NARROWING DOWN SOMETHING THAT WAS LOOKING GOOD AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE KIND OF DISRUPTING THAT, WHICH JUST FEELS WRONG TO ME. 
          UH, AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALL HAVE IDEAS, , WE ALL DO, WE ALL DO HAVE IDEAS, BUT WE DID COMMIT TO COMMITTED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE AND A LOT OF STAFF TIME AND A LOT OF OUR TIME AND A LOT OF OUR PUBLIC'S TIME ABOUT WHAT WE WERE DOING. 
          AND WE WERE HEADED DOWN THE PATH AND WE'RE NOT DONE WITH THAT YET. 
          AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT, BUT I SAID THIS BEFORE AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, THAT THERE'S POTENTIALLY A VERY SIGNIFICANT EVENT LOOMING IF A PETITION GETS FILED WITH THE CITY FOR DOING SOMETHING AND WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ANSWER TO WHAT OTHER VISION IT IS. 
          IF THIS INITIATIVE HITS A BALLOT AND WE DON'T HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT WE THINK IS A SOLID PROPOSAL IN MIND TO FIGHT IT, WE WILL LOSE IT. 
          IT IS EASY TO WIN A BALLOT MEASURE ABOUT FEAR AND WE CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN AGAIN. 
          AND SO I THINK IT'S OKAY TO DO A POLL ABOUT THE SPECIFIC PROPOSAL, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE REENGAGE AND MOVE AGAIN ON THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. 
          AND WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD WITH A, I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH A EXCLUSIVE, NO NEGOTIATING AGREEMENT WITH THIS GROUP TO GO DO SOMETHING. 
          IT DIDN'T TAKE PATRICK TO HAVE AN ENA WITH US TO PER TO GET WHERE HE GOT. 
          AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, NEWS NOW OUT THAT MAYBE THE CITY COUNCIL IS OKAY FOR LEASING. 
          SO YOU KNOW, THIS GROUP THAT WANTS TO DO CCP TWO, THERE'S MORE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE. 
          I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT ENTERING INTO EXCLUSIVE NEGOTIATIONS. 
          THEY'RE GONNA DRAW IN SOMEONE LIKE LIVE NATION AS A PARTNER OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER DETAIL. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS THING LOOKS 
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LIKE, BUT IT'S SO LOOSE THAT I CAN'T EVEN GO CLOSE TO IT RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE WERE PRESENTED WITH AN OPTION, A SINGLE OPTION THAT WAS THE CONSOLIDATION OF THE MASTER PLANNING EFFORT. 
          AND THAT OPTION IS GOING TO HAVE A REFERENDUM. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S YOUR ANSWER. 
          IF WE APPROVE THAT OPTION AND WE ONLY HAD ONE OPTION, IT WAS PRESENTED TO US, IT WILL HAVE A REFERENDUM AND WE WON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          UH, UH, UH, SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          HOW DO WE HAVE, 'CAUSE 'CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING WE NEED TO HAVE AN ANSWER. 
          WELL, THE ANSWER IS WE, WE APPROVE THIS MASTER PLAN WITH THE ONE OPTION AND THAT'S WHAT WE FIGHT A REFERENDUM WITH. 
          IF WE APPROVE IT, UH, MAYBE I'VE MADE MYSELF CLEAR OR I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, BUT IF THE REFERENDUM GETS FILED AND MOVES FORWARD, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INITIATIVE, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT A REFERENDUM NO, I I I'M TALKING ABOUT THE INITIATIVE. 
          YEAH, INITIATIVE IS THE RIGHT WORD TO USE. 
          YEAH. 
          A REFERENDUM COULD COME LATER ON THIS WHOLE THING. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          BUT IF THE INITIATIVE MOVES FORWARD AND THE QUESTION IS JUST DEBATED IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT NO HOUSING, I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WILL GET PAINTED AS I GUARANTEE YOU THAT THERE WILL BE IMAGES AGAIN OF THE SEVEN STORY TOWER AND THE MASSIVE DENSE OF THING. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY WILL FIGHT, UH, IN, IN THAT INITIATIVE PROCESS. 
          AND IF WE DON'T HAVE, NOPE, THIS IS THE COUNCIL'S IDEA. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE 350 HOMES OR WHATEVER IT IS WITH NICE PARK SPACE AND WHATEVER, RIGHT? THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE HEADED, IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT TO FIGHT, THEN IT WILL JUST BE LOST ON THE FEAR OF SEVEN STORIES AND A THOUSAND PEOPLE MOVING INTO WESTERN GATEWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, IS THE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US GETS APPROVED AND THAT'S HOW WE FIGHT THE INITIATIVE. 
          HERE'S THE PLAN, THE PLAN, WHAT'S THE PLAN IN YOUR LANGUAGE? THE, THE DIG PROPOSAL THAT WAS REFERRED. 
          YEAH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL SOME EVOLUTION OF THE DIG PROPOSAL THAT'S IN THERE, BUT WE NEED TO GET THAT PROCESS TO SOME TYPE OF END AND HOPEFULLY THE COUNCIL WILL SAY, THAT LOOKS GOOD IN LIEU OF UH, UH, UH, A CP TWO IF THAT CAN'T HAPPEN OR WON'T HAPPEN. 
          THIS IS A NICE PROPOSAL. 
          SO THERE'S NO NEED TO DO A, UH, COMMUNITY SURVEY. 
          NO, I THINK WE SHOULD IN THE SAME TIME BE DOING RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW BE DOING THAT SURVEY ON THAT PROPOSAL, THE CP TWO FOLKS THAT'LL GIVE US SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK ABOUT MAYBE WHETHER OUR DIG PROCESS THAT WE GOT TO, THERE WAS A FLAW IN THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A FLAW IN IT, BUT PERHAPS THERE WAS. 
          AND SO IF THIS SURVEY CAME BACK THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED THIS AND WE WERE PROVING SOMETHING THAT EXCLUDED IT, YOU WOULD RETHINK THAT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BRIAN, I'M MELISSA. 
          BRIAN ALMOST LOST MY THOUGHT BECAUSE THAT WAS VERY LONG. 
          UM, THANK YOU . 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          SO, SO I DID ASK THE QUESTION WHEN THEY WERE HERE, WHETHER OR NOT THEY COULDN'T BE SATISFIED WITH THE 2000 SEAT, WHICH IS THEIR PHASE ONE IS, IS AROUND 2000 SEATS. 
          WOULDN'T COULD THEY JUST STOP THERE? DOES IT HAVE TO BE 5,500 SEATS? AND THEIR ANSWER WAS, YES, IT HAS TO BE 5,500 SEATS OR IT'S NOT VIABLE COMMERCIALLY. 
          THEY CAN'T MAKE THE MONEY, THEY CAN'T DRAW THE AX, THEY CAN'T DO WHATEVER IT IS. 
          THEY CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT 5,500 SEATS, 5,500 SEATS IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, UM, FIDDLER ON THE ROCKS. 
          HE'S NOT FILLING 5,500 SEATS, RIGHT? ANY OF OUR LOCAL BANDS NOT FILLING 5,500 SEATS. 
          EVEN JOSH RED DIRT CONCERTS ARE PROBABLY NOT GONNA FILL 5,500 SEATS. 
          SO THAT'S A LOT OF SPACE THAT'S GOING EMPTY FOR ANY OTHER EVENT THAT'S THERE. 
          NOT ONLY THAT, THAT LAND HAS TO BE WALLED OFF, HOWEVER, IT'S GONNA BE WALLED OFF BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE GOING UP THERE AND DOING GRAFFITI OR SPENDING THE NIGHT OR WALKING BEHIND AND AND DAMAGING THE EQUIPMENT. 
          AND SO THEY HAVE TO SECURE THAT LAND. 
          SO THERE'S GONNA BE A BUNCH OF LAND THAT THAT WON'T BE ACCESSIBLE UNLESS THEY LET YOU HAVE THAT LAND. 
          AND THEN THEY DID PROPOSE 1100 PARKING SPOTS. 
          I HAVE THE PICTURE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO RESEE IT. 
          IT IS, IT IS. 
          I NEED TO ALMOST PARKING. 
          ALL PARKING. 
          THE AMPHITHEATER IS DEFINITELY TIERED. 
          THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT US TO GIVE THEM THE LAND TO DO. 
          AND THIS IS MOST OF THE LAND. 
          THEY ALLOWED ONE SMALL SPACE FOR HOUSING AND THEN THEY HAVE THEIR ARTS VILLAGE AND THEY WANNA PUT AN EXPENSIVE RESTAURANT ON THE LAND. 
          SO THEY WANT AS MUCH OF THIS LAND AS THEY CAN HAVE. 
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AND WE HAVE TO BE AWARE THAT THAT IS THEIR PROPOSAL. 
          THIS IS THEIR PROPOSAL, NOT SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          AND IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT, YOU HAVE TO PUT THIS IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC AND SAY, IS THIS IMAGE WHAT YOU WANT? BECAUSE I IMPEDE IS COMPLETELY CORRECT. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WHO ARE VISUAL LEARNERS AND THEY'RE VISUALLY ANCHORED AND WHAT THEY SEE IS WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          I SAW THAT ON COUNCIL WHEN THEY SHOWED THOSE PICTURES AND DIG OF THOSE APARTMENTS AND WE ALL SAID, WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT. 
          WELL, NO ONE'S BUILDING THAT. 
          THERE IS NO BUILDER. 
          WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE BUILT. 
          BUT WE ALL LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, OH, WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT. 
          NOT THE NUMBER, BUT WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. 
          AND WE JUST HAVE TO BE AWARE THAT WE CAN'T JUST ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION. 
          WE NEED TO SHOW PEOPLE WHAT IT IS THEY WANT. 
          IS THIS WHAT THEY WANT UP ON WESTERN GATEWAY? BRIAN? THERE'S BEEN SOME TALK ABOUT FEAR. 
          I HEAR A LOT OF FEAR UP HERE. 
          UM OKAY. 
          FRUSTRATION. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          UH, BUT I HEAR FEAR ALSO AND I MEAN SO MANY DIFFERENT COMMENTS. 
          ULTIMATELY WHAT THE, WHAT I BELIEVE THE 2.0 FOLKS ARE LOOKING FOR IS JUST SIMPLY RIGHT NOW, THIS MOMENT TO BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, WE HAVE, WE WE'VE BEEN GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT TO TALK WITH YOU. 
          THAT IS NOT EXCLUSIVE NEGOTIATION. 
          THAT IS NOT FOR THEM TO GO SIGN ANYTHING. 
          IT IS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO CREDIBLY REPRESENT WHAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN SO THAT THEY CAN PREPARE A BUSINESS PLAN THAT THEY CAN PRESENT TO SHOW WHETHER THEY DO IN FACT HAVE A VIABLE CONCEPT OR NOT. 
          FROM A BUSINESS PERSON'S PERSPECTIVE, IT IS VERY INTUITIVE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO GET 2000, 2,500, WHATEVER. 
          THERE'S SOME BASE LEVEL YOU GOTTA GET TO JUST TO BREAK EVEN AND THEN YOU START MAKING MONEY. 
          SO IT'S NOT SURPRISING TO ME THAT THEY WOULD WANT MORE OR NEED MORE THAN 2,500 SEATS. 
          I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, PETE, YOU SAID WE SHOULD RESTART THE, THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          WHEN WE HAD AN, UH, SUGGESTION LAST WEEK ON DOING JUST THAT OF, UH, USING CHARETTES. 
          AND I THINK THAT, UM, I I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, THERE'S BEEN A TON OF GOOD WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THE PROCESS AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT OUR CALM DEV FOLKS TO FEEL FURTHER DEFEATED BY THE EXPERIENCE AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? UM, BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, DIG HAS PUT US IN A BIT OF AN AWKWARD SPOT AT TIMES BY PUTTING UP SEVEN STORY EXAMPLES AND 700 UNITS. 
          AND IT HAS, THAT'S WHERE THE FEAR COMES FROM. 
          'CAUSE IT'S PUT US ON A BACK HEEL, UM, ALMOST FROM THE START AS SOON AS ANYTHING STARTED TO BECOME PUBLIC, YOU KNOW? UM, SO I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE A CHARETTE PROCESS WHERE WE'RE GETTING SOME COMMUNITY INPUT, BUT COUNCIL IS ABLE TO HAVE INPUT, UM, AND NOT JUST REACT TO WHAT'S BEEN PUT IN FRONT OF US, I THINK IS IMPORTANT. 
          SO MASTER PLANNING? YES, MELISSA? THE, UH, THE DRAWING THAT YOU'VE GOT THERE FROM 2.0, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A HILL. 
          THEY'RE GONNA DIE ON THAT. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE EXACTLY LIKE THAT. 
          AND I'M PUTTING WORDS, YOU KNOW, IN THEIR MOUTH IN THAT REGARD, BUT THEY DO HAVE FESTIVAL GROUNDS IN THEIR PLANS, SO THEY'RE NOT, AND IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE AMPHITHEATER ITSELF. 
          SO THEY RECOGNIZE THE NEED AND THE DESIRE TO HAVE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AREA. 
          DO I LIKE THE WAY THEY'VE GOT THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSING CONCENTRATED? NO, I DON'T. 
          I LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT ALAN APPAL PUT TOGETHER THAT HE ROUGHED OUT LIKE I LIKE THAT BETTER. 
          AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE 1100 CAR PARKING SPOTS ON THAT PROPERTY TO MAKE THAT WORK. 
          IN FACT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE EFFICIENT TO HAVE PARKING OFF SITE, WHICH AGAIN, LIKE IN ALLEN'S EXAMPLE, HE'S GOT ABOUT 55, 60% I THINK IS MUCH PARKING ON SITE AS WHAT THE, THE 2.0 IDEA HAS. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE, THAT ANYTHING IS SO FIRMLY ENTRENCHED, YOU KNOW, IDEALISTICALLY THAT THERE'S NOT ROOM TO MOVE. 
          AND I DO THINK THAT WE OWE IT TO LOOK AT WHAT THE POSSIBILITY WOULD BE OF THAT AMPHITHEATER REOPENING AND COULD THAT BE A GOOD THING FOR THE COMMUNITY, PARTICULARLY IN THE SLOW TIME OF YEAR. 
          I THINK WE OWE IT TO LOOK AT IT. 
          NOT SAYING IT'S A SLAM DUNK, 
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BUT I THINK WE OWE IT TO LOOK AT IT. 
          UM, GOING BACK SEVERAL ROUNDS OF COMMENTS, I THINK, UM, I SUPPORT YOUR IDEA OF HOW WE WOULD PHRASE THE QUESTION TO THE PUBLIC. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE BEEN PRESENTED A 5,500 SEAT COMMERCIALLY AMPHITHEATER. 
          SO INSTEAD OF JUST THE DO YOU WANT THE AMPHITHEATER? UM, I LIKE THAT IDEA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DON'T TALK ABOUT FUNDING, DON'T TALK ABOUT, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN PRO PROVIDED. 
          DOES THE COMMUNITY WANT THIS? SO IF WE PUT THAT TO A VOTE, I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING, I HESITATE TO EVEN ASK THIS QUESTION, BUT DOES IT HAVE TO BE COMMERCIAL? HAVE WE LOOKED AT THE VIABILITY OF THIS CITY, MAKING THIS PART OF THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT AND JUST MAKING NO A THOUSAND SEAT A THOUSAND SEATS. 
          WHAT WOULD IT COST TO JUST DO THE BARE MINIMUM TO THIS THING AND MAKE IT LET JOSH RUN IT AND HAVE IT BE ANTONS AND PAVILION ON STEROIDS AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE THE AMPHITHEATER'S STILL THERE, WE DON'T HAVE 5,000. 
          WE CONTROL WHAT GOES IN THERE. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T, FRANKLY, I THINK THEY'RE EXAGGERATING THE QU THE CONDITION OF THE AMPHITHEATER. 
          I THINK FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, FROM WHAT I'VE READ IN THAT REPORT, IT'S GONNA NEED A LOT MORE WORK THAN I THINK THEY RECOGNIZE. 
          BUT I DUNNO, IS THAT SOMETHING, JOSH, WOULD YOU WANNA RUN A THOUSAND SEAT AMPHITHEATER IF WE WERE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY ? I MEAN CERTAINLY NOT GONNA SHY AWAY FROM IT, BUT YEAH, WE, WE CAN DO EVENTS IN LIKE A THOUSAND SEAT TYPE THING. 
          UM, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 5,500 SEAT AMPHITHEATER AND CONTRACTING BIGGER BANDS AND RUNNING LIKE A RED ROCKS TYPE STADIUM SETTING, IT'S A DIFFERENT TALK. 
          NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF THING. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST A BARE MINIMUM, CLEAN IT UP, MAKE IT PRETTY, MAKE IT STABLE AND MAKE IT A CITY AMENITY. 
          I MEAN WOULD BE LOOKING TO LIVE NATION TO FILL IT UP EVERY AND IF IT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT AN ENTER, IF IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE THEN AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD COST TO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REFURBISH IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD COST TO MAINTAIN IT, BUT WE SURE WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T EXPAND IT. 
          WHICH I THINK THE SAP TWO PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND IT AT SOME POINT, BUT WE WOULD STOP AT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW THEIR PHASES BROKE DOWN, BUT WE WOULD STOP AT PHASE ONE OR TWO AND CALL IT A DAY AND THEN THE AMPHITHEATER WOULD SIT THERE AND BE A PUBLIC AMENITY. 
          UM, EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT ME LIKE I'M CRAZY. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. 
          I THINK I ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, BUT, UM, JUST BECAUSE THE SEP PEOPLE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE BROUGHT THE PLAN FORWARD DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO BE THEIR PLAN. 
          THINK KATHY WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, OH YES, I'M SORRY. 
          JUST IN QUICK RESPONSE, LIKE IF WE WERE GOING TO RUN IT LIKE THAT, OUR STRUCTURE WOULD MOST LIKELY BE DOING IT SIMILAR LIKE WE DO TO THE PAVILION NOW, WHERE IT WOULD BE, WE HOST SOME OF OUR EVENTS THERE, RED DIRT CONCERT SERIES, MOVIES IN THE PARK. 
          THAT TYPE OF STRUCTURE COULD EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT AND THEN WOULD BE LIKE A RENTAL VENUE WHERE WE WOULD RENT IT OUT WITH OUR SOUND TECHS OR HIRE ADDITIONAL SOUND TECHS IN THAT WAY AND HAVE IT BE A RENTAL VENUE WHERE THEN COMMERCIAL GROUPS LIKE THIS GROUP COULD COME AND PUT ON THEIR OWN TYPE OF EVENTS OR FIDDLER ON THE RED ROCK WOULD RENT THAT FROM US, LIKE HE RENTS THE PAVILION OR HUB CURRENTLY IN THOSE TYPE OF SITUATIONS. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE OUR TYPE OF SETTING IF THAT WAS THE DECISION SCENARIO. 
          OH, I WAS JUST GONNA COMMENT, UM, THAT I BELIEVE THE INITIAL, UM, RESTORATION ESTIMATE THAT, UM, THE CP 2.0 PEOPLE PROVIDED TO ME AND I THINK SHE ALL OF YOU WAS LIKE $2 MILLION MM-HMM . 
          AND THAT WAS LIKE THE BARE MINIMUM BEFORE THEY EVEN ACTUALLY HAD SEATS UP AND RUNNING. 
          UM, SO I WOULD JUST WANT TO KNOW FROM THE COUNCIL, LIKE IF WE WERE GONNA GO DOWN THIS PATH, GIVEN THE BUDGET ASSUMPTIONS YOU JUST GAVE US YESTERDAY ABOUT KEEP THE BUDGET FLAT, DON'T ADD ANY POSITIONS, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO SEE THE CAPITAL PROGRAM GO DOWN. 
          LIKE, WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT TO STOP THAT? WE WOULD COMPLETELY REDIRECT RESOURCES INTO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          UM, AND THEN I ALSO JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT WE WEREN'T DONE WITH THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS. 
          I DON'T THINK WE ASKED YOU TO VOTE ON THAT. 
          UM, INITIAL, UH, RESULT FROM ALL OF THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK PROCESSES AND THE PNZ PROCESS. 
          THAT SEPTEMBER MEETING WAS JUST THE FIRST TIME THAT COUNCIL HAD BEEN ABLE TO REACT TO, UM, THAT ITERATION. 
          BUT WE HAD ANTICIPATED THAT THERE WOULD BE A LOT MORE, UM, MASSAGING AND REFINING AND POTENTIALLY SWAPPING OF, YOU KNOW, BLOCKS AND ALL OF THOSE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. 
          SO WE WERE, UH, IN MY MIND, NOWHERE NEAR THE END OF THAT PROCESS 
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FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON ANYTHING. 
          AND YOU HAD GIVEN US DIRECTION FOR STAFF TO DO ADDITIONAL WORK, UM, TO BRING BACK TO YOU. 
          AND SO IT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW IF YOU ARE EVEN STILL INTERESTED IN MY TEAM PUTTING FORTH A BUNCH OF ENERGY, UM, ON THINGS LIKE DO MORE PUBLIC OUTREACH TO DETERMINE THE IDEAL HOUSING TYPES. 
          UM, FIGURE OUT HOW TO OPTIMIZE THE ALLOCATION OF THE PROPERTY USES IN THOSE ACREAGES IN EACH BLOCK. 
          BRING BACK MORE DETAIL ON THE MIXED USE BLOCKS. 
          UM, FIGURE OUT HOW MANY UNITS WE COULD DO, IF WE COULD, IF WE DIDN'T GO OVER THREE STORIES. 
          AND SO YOU HAD GIVEN US A LOT OF TECHNICAL DETAIL TO GO OFF AND WORK ON AND BRING BACK TO YOU FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION. 
          UM, WHICH I BELIEVE WE'VE STARTED WORKING ON A LOT OF THESE THINGS. 
          UM, YOU WANTED US TO LOOK AT INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE NATURAL AREA. 
          SO WE DID HAVE DIRECTION FROM YOU BACK IN SEPTEMBER ON WHAT YOU WANTED US TO DO, IN ADDITION TO GET THE BALANCED HOUSING PLAN DONE SO WE CAN IDENTIFY THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS. 
          SO, UM, I'M A LITTLE WONDERING WHAT OUR DIRECTION IS AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT DOES FEEL A LITTLE BIT LIKE A LEFT TURN. 
          AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION WITH YOU ON ANYTHING RELATED TO THE AMPHITHEATER OTHER THAN THEY HAD GIVEN THE PRESENTATION LAST WEEK. 
          UM, OUR TEAM WITH DIG HAD DONE MANY ACTIVITIES THAT, UM, COULD BE CALLED CHARETTES AND WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WE DOING ADDITIONAL, UM, CHARETTE TYPE ACTIVITY TO KEEP REFINING THE MASTER PLAN CONCEPT. 
          SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. 
          UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE A HUGE TO-DO LIST REGARDING THIS PROPERTY. 
          AND IF THAT'S ABOUT TO CHANGE OR NONE OF THAT'S GONNA BE VALUABLE TO YOU, I'D LIKE TO KNOW. 
          SO I'M NOT HAVING STAFF WORK ON THINGS THAT YOU DON'T WANT. 
          QUICK QUESTION TO KURT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, KURT. 
          DO WE, IS, CAN THE CITY RAISE PRIVATE FUNDS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS? ARE WE LEGALLY PERMITTED TO SAY, HEY, YOU WANT TO AMPHITHEATER CONTRIBUTE TO THE LET'S RESTORE THE AMPHITHEATER FUND OF THE CITY? OH, YEAH. 
          SO CERTAINLY THE CITY CAN, CAN ASK FOR DONATIONS, UM, AND TRY TO RAISE FUNDS FOR A A PUBLIC PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH, WHEN YOU FIRST RAISED THE QUESTION, I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING A, A LOAN OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          NO, NO. 
          JUST ASKING PEOPLE TO PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS. 
          OKAY. 
          FIRST, ANNETTE, THANK YOU FOR THAT SORT OF REFOCUS BECAUSE I THINK SITE A LITTLE BIT OF SIGHT HAS BEEN LOST ON THAT, THAT THE PLANNING PROCESS WAS IN WAY THERE WAS DIRECTION AND IT DID GET SIDETRACKED BY SOME OTHER CONVERSATIONS AND QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP. 
          AND THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP AND SIDETRACKED WAS THE AMPHITHEATER . 
          UM, SO THAT JUST REINFORCES MY DESIRE TO GET THAT QUESTION RESOLVED, UM, WITH SOME SORT OF PUBLIC OPINION POLL. 
          AND AGAIN, I'M GOING TO SAY THAT YOU INTRODUCED NEW IDEAS, UM, DEREK, BUT THE QUESTION THAT'S BEFORE US WAS THE QUESTION OF HERE'S A COMMERCIAL AMPHITHEATER FOR 5,500. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED. 
          UM, BECAUSE IF, IF THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO, THEN YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES, RIGHT? I MEAN, BUT TO LOOK, TO LOOK AT ALL THE ALTERNATIVES AT THE SAME TIME YOU'RE ASKING THAT QUESTION, I THINK DILUTES THE CLARITY OF THE QUESTION. 
          UM, SO NO, I GAVE YOU BEFORE, NOT NOW I KNOW  'CAUSE YOU, IT'S GOT ME SIDETRACKED. 
          UM, I ALSO WANT TO PUT THIS, GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT. 
          I THINK I'M, SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES KNOW THAT I ACTUALLY ATTEND A LOT OF MUSIC EVENTS, UM, FROM ALL SIZES FROM 75 SEATS TO 15, 20,000 SEAT EVENTS, RIGHT? I'D PROBABLY GO TO MORE CONCERTS THAN ALL OF YOU COMBINED. 
          ALRIGHT? UM, THE TUTHILL PARK JUST UP THE HILL FROM US IS A 2,700 SEAT VENUE TOTAL, INCLUDING LAWN AND SEATING, RIGHT? DESERT FINANCIAL CENTER DOWN IN PHOENIX. 
          INDOOR IS A 5,000 SEAT VENUE. 
          WHAT KIND OF ACTS PERFORM, HOW ARE EACH OF THESE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE? THEY'RE NOT THE SAME ACTS THAT PERFORM AT TUTHILL THAT ARE AT DESERT FINANCIAL, WHICH ARE CERTAINLY DIFFERENT FROM THE A-LISTERS AT EVEN LARGER VENUES LIKE IN GLENDALE. 
          RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, YOU NEED TO KEEP, KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          AND WHAT IS YOUR LOCAL COMPETITION? OKAY, I'M GOING TO USE AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT'S A CONCERT I RECENTLY WENT TO AND I THOUGHT IT WAS, IT'S A, IT GAVE ME, I WAS LOOKING AROUND THE WHOLE TIME WITH THIS ALL IN MIND AT HOW PEOPLE FIT, HOW THEY EXITED, HOW THE AREA WAS USED. 
          OKAY? 
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AN ACT LIKE A MELISSA ETHERIDGE RIGHT? CAN PLAY TUTHILL AT 2,700. 
          SHE HERSELF WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FILL DESERT FINANCIAL AT 5,000, RIGHT? FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          'CAUSE SHE PLAYED THERE WITH ANOTHER ACT THAT'S A ACT ON THEIR OWN AS WELL. 
          BUT IT HAD TO BE THE DOUBLE ACT OF INDIGO GIRLS. 
          AND THESE ARE ALL NAMES KNOWN OUT THERE THAT, SO THAT'S WHY PEOPLE CAN RELATE TO THEM. 
          HAD TO BE A DOUBLE ACT TO FILL A 5,000 SEAT VENUE. 
          ALRIGHT? SO WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING, WHO WOULD COME, WHAT'S AROUND US AS WELL. 
          'CAUSE NEVER IN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD ABOUT AN AMPHITHEATER IN SEDONA, HAVE I HEARD US TALKING ABOUT THE EFFECTS OR IMPACTS FROM AND TO TOT HILL PARK, WHICH IS THE PEPSI AMPHITHEATER THERE, WHICH IS A REALLY LOVELY VENUE. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT IT WHEN YOU WERE HAVING YOUR SURGERY. 
          AH, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIES, , UM, OKAY. 
          BUT I MEAN THE, BUT THESE ARE REAL QUESTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE. 
          AND AGAIN, THE QUESTION BEFORE US, BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS, IS THE 5,500 SEAT QUESTION THAT IS BEFORE US, THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED THAT IS LOOKING FOR CITY SUPPORT. 
          AND THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT WE HAVE TO DETERMINE. 
          AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN, I THINK, HELP DETERMINE THAT IS TO GET THE GUIDANCE OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO I'M GONNA LEAVE IT, OH, ONE MORE POINT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL PLANNING AND WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT OUR RECREATION, UH, CULTURAL AND RECREATION NEEDS, WE WERE LOOKING AT A MULTI SORT OF ADAPTIVE SPACE THAT COULD NOT ONLY JUST BE FOR CONCERTS, BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FESTIVALS, WHICH MAY HAVE BOOTHS, MAY HAVE FOOD TRUCKS ASSOCIATED, MAY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE. 
          AND I THINK IF WE GO TO JUST AN AMPHITHEATER, A THEATER, SOME OF THE, WHAT WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING IS THIS, THAT THAT SPACE ISN'T AS ADAPTIVE FOR THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS. 
          AND WE'RE THEN NOT MEETING THAT CULTURAL RECREATION NEED, ENTERTAINMENT NEED IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT BACK ON. 
          AND THAT WAS ALL PART OF THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE DID NEED AND HOW WE COULD MAKE ADAPTIVE SPACES THAT WERE SOME MAYBE INDOOR. 
          WE TALKED A REC CENTER, WE TALKED ABOUT IT OPENING OUT ONTO ADJACENT LAWN SPACE. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE THEATER SEATING NEXT TO THAT. 
          ALL THAT COULD TIE IN THAT THAT'S BEEN LOST IN THE PROCESS, NOT IN THE PROCESS THAT YOU AND STAFF ARE UNDERGOING, BUT IT'S BEEN LOST FROM THE PUBLIC CONVERSATION. 
          IT'S BEEN LOST FROM THE CONVERSATION ON THE DAIS. 
          ACTUALLY IT HASN'T BEEN. 
          SO I THINK YOU'RE FORGETTING THAT WE HAD TWO PROPOSALS. 
          YOU'RE ALL FOCUSED ON CP 2.0. 
          BUT THERE WAS ANOTHER PROPOSAL, UH, THAT CAME BEFORE US, WHICH WAS NOT SET IN STONE, WHICH WAS NOT A, UH, APATHY, WHICH WAS NOT THE ENTIRE SPACE FOCUSED ON AN ARTS VILLAGE WITH A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF HOUSING. 
          THERE WAS ANOTHER PROPOSAL BY PEOPLE WHO HAD EXPERIENCE IN ENTERTAINMENT VENUES TO ASK US TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO DETERMINE A SIZE, SHAPE, FORM, SAYING TO US THAT WE HAD AN ASSET IN THE AMPHITHEATER THAT WAS A, AN ASSET THAT THEY FELT WAS OF VALUE AND COULD BE, COULD BE BUILT UPON TO SAVE THAT STRUCTURE AND TO USE IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          SO THEY WERE SEPARATE FROM 2.0. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD BE FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY TO PUT THE 2.0 PROPOSAL AND SAY, DO YOU WANT A 5,500 COMMERCIAL AMPHITHEATER WHEN THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE HAVEN'T EXPLORED? AND THAT COUNCIL ONLY A WEEK AGO SEEMED OPEN TO EXPLORING. 
          AND NOW COUNCIL, IN MY VIEW, IS CLOSED OFF FROM THAT AND IS JUST FOCUSED ON A SINGLE PROPOSAL. 
          SO KATHY, YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR VERY GOOD REASONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO WATCH IT WAS LONG MEETING. 
          UH, SO THERE WAS, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID WE HADN'T DISCUSSED. 
          ANYBODY ELSE WANNA WEIGH IN? I, I DON'T, I, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT IT WAS A LONG DISCUSSION. 
          LOTS OF STUFF MOVING AROUND. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT COUNCIL SPOKE WITH A DISTINCT DIRECTION AND MAJORITY ON WHAT TO DO, EVEN WITH THE PROPOSAL THAT ALAN L FELT BROUGHT FORWARD. 
          I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE DID. 
          I, I KNOW THAT I SPOKE 
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AGAINST IT, BUT I DON'T THINK ALL THE COUNCIL REALLY SAID, AND WE HAD A DISTINCT VOTE. 
          I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THAT, BUT NO, WE DIDN'T HAVE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A VOTE. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS NO, WE DIDN'T HAVE A VOTE. 
          I, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS CONSENSUS THAT WE SHOULD STOP THE, THE CURRENT PLANNING PROCESS TO DO THIS CHARETTE. 
          AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WELL, I THINK IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          I JUST, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN DO BOTH. 
          . 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          UH, WE SEEMED OPEN, MORE OPEN LAST WEEK AND THAT'S OKAY. 
          YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND. 
          WE SEEMED VERY CLOSED THIS WEEK. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING. 
          LIKE IN THE MEETING I WAS IN LAST WEEK, I HEARD PLENTY OF SKEPTICISM. 
          I HEARD THE WORDS. 
          I'M SKEPTICAL ABOUT WHETHER THAT AMPHITHEATER CAN WORK OR NOT, BUT I'M OPEN TO AT LEAST LETTING IT PLAY OUT TO SEE WHAT, WHAT A BUSINESS CASE WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE AFRAID OF THAT TODAY. 
          THAT'S NUMBER ONE. 
          NUMBER TWO, KATHY BRINGING THE SPECIFICITY AROUND, UH, THE QUESTION OF ARE YOU OKAY WITH A 5,500 SEAT COMMERCIAL AMPHITHEATER THAT STILL LEAVES ASSUMPTIONS TO THE RESPONDENT ON, WELL, DOES THAT MEAN THE CITY IS OWNING IT, FUNDING IT, SUBSIDIZING IT LIKE THAT? THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT ASSUMPTIONS. 
          AND SO IF WE WERE GONNA POSE THAT QUESTION, I WOULD WANT TO BE POSING IT AS A 5,500 SEAT COMMERCIAL AMPHITHEATER THAT IS COMPLETELY SELF SUPPORTING. 
          'CAUSE I MEAN, I HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN THE CITY FUNDING THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT IT CAN INFECT SELF-FUND OR NOT. 
          AND IF IT CAN'T THEN IT CAN'T. 
          BUT I THINK THAT, I FELT LIKE I HEARD THERE WAS A MAJORITY PRESENT THAT WAS SAYING THEY WERE OPEN TO LETTING THAT PLAY OUT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN TERMS OF WHAT'S THE FINANCIAL VIABILITY OR NOT. 
          AND AGAIN, FOR THE QUESTION, I'M FINE WITH THAT QUESTION OF 5,500, AS LONG AS IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT IT IS A SELF-FUNDING PROJECT AND NOT ONE THAT THE CITY'S ON THE HOOK TO MAKE INITIAL REPAIRS ONGOING MAINTENANCE, LIKE DEREK'S, WHY YOU DON'T LET HIM SPEAK? UH, WELL HE THREW MY NAME, PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, THREW MY NAME OUT THERE IN HIS, IN HIS QUESTION. 
          SO I'M GONNA RESPOND TO THAT. 
          PLEASE GO AHEAD. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THIS ISN'T PUBLIC FORUM. 
          WHAT? THIS ISN'T PUBLIC FORUM. 
          WHATCHA ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ? UM, THE LANGUAGE THAT I WOULD BE CONSIDERING. 
          I'VE TRIED TO WORK IT OUT TO MAKE IT AS SIMPLE AS IT COULD BE. 
          AND I THINK THAT YOU'VE START GETTING INTO ALL THE FUNDING ISSUES. 
          'CAUSE THOSE ARE A NOS. 
          I MET WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, THE 2.0 GROUP AS WELL. 
          AND THERE WAS, WHEN I MET WITH THEM, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT A SHARED PARTNERSHIP SUPPORT FROM THE CITY. 
          THE FUNDING QUESTION IS NOT RESOLVED. 
          IT IS NOT, IT MIGHT BE CLEAR IN YOUR HEAD THAT THERE IS NO CITY SUPPORT FOR THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT CLEAR IN MY HEAD THAT THERE WOULD BE NO CITY SUPPORT. 
          SO THE LANGUAGE THAT I WOULD HAVE WOULD BE, DO YOU SUPPORT A 5,500 SEAT COMMERCIAL LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AMPHITHEATER AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY SITE? 89 A AND CULTURAL PARK PLACE IN SEDONA. 
          THE END. 
          THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S THE QUESTION I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED, BUT ARE YOU OKAY WITH IT? THE CITY FUNDING IT? NO, I'M NOT. 
          I THINK IF WE ALL VOTED RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE WOULD ALL SAY NO. 
          NO CITY FUNDING. 
          SO WHY WOULDN'T YOU INCLUDE THAT IN THE DESCRIPTION THEN ? BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S AN UNKNOWN. 
          IT'S THE SAME AS GIVING IN THE OTHER FINANCIAL OR OTHER OPTIONS. 
          THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED CLEARLY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          WELL, I WOULD ADD THAT THERE WASN'T EVEN THE CP TWO PROPOSAL WAS NOT, UH, COMPLETELY VOID OF CITY. 
          UH UH. 
          SO NO, WE CAN'T SAY THAT AT THIS POINT. 
          THERE WAS A LOT OF FINANCIAL COMMITMENT IF WE ASK THAT. 
          BUT WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT MONEY COMING BACK TO THE CITY THROUGH HOW DOES MONEY COME BACK IF WE'RE PUTTING MONEY IN, IF WE ASK THAT QUESTION, WE'RE IMPLYING THAT IT WILL BE SELF-FUNDING, RIGHT? COMMERCIAL. 
          IF IT'S, IF IT'S FULLY SELF-FUNDING, HELL MAYBE I COULD GET ON BOARD WITH IT. 
          I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT. 
          AND I THINK IF YOU ASK THAT QUESTION, THEN THE READER GOES, YEAH, SURE, BUT THAT ASSUMES THAT IT'S GONNA BE SELF-SUSTAINING WHEN, BUT IF WE ARE CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT WILLING TO SUPPORT A NON SELF-SUSTAINING MODEL, THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          ISN'T THAT WHAT COMMERCIAL MEANS? NOT PUBLIC, PRIVATE. 
          IT SAYS COMMERCIAL. 
          I LIKE KATHY'S LANGUAGE. 
          IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S PROFITABLE. 
          THERE'S 
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PLENTY OF PROFITABLE. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO GET IT AVAILABLE. 
          THEY MAY NOT BE PROFITABLE IN THE FRONT RUN, BUT THE THING IS, THERE'S NO CITY MONEY BEING PUT INTO THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          IT IS A COMMERCIAL VENTURE. 
          JUST LIKE SI IS A COMMERCIAL VENTURE. 
          WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING A PROFIT AS A CITY. 
          WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS TAKING CARE OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY IS ON, ON THE PUBLIC. 
          FIRST OF ALL. 
          COULD, COULD, CAN YOU ALL PLEASE YOUR USE YOUR MICROPHONES? THANK YOU. 
          CAN I SUGGEST, MAYOR, THAT WE FIRST SEE IF THERE IS A MAJORITY OF SUPPORT TO GO OUT TO PUBLIC OPINION POLL? AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS THEN WE COULD TALK, 'CAUSE I, I I THINK THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE, POSSIBLY FOUR OF US THAT HAVE A VISION OF THE LANGUAGE. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE THIS TO YEAH. 
          SORT OF WRAP THIS IN SOME WAY. 
          IS THERE, WHO'S IN FAVOR OF SENATE PUBLIC OPINION POLL? ALL OF US. 
          OKAY, FINE. 
          WHO'S IN FAVOR OF A PUBLIC OPINION POLL? WITH THE LIMITED LANGUAGE THAT I PROPOSED. 
          REMEMBER THE LANGUAGE. 
          OKAY, THE LANGUAGE AGAIN. 
          DO YOU SUPPORT A 5,500 SEAT COMMERCIAL LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AMPHITHEATER AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY SITE OF 89 A AND CULTURAL PARK PLACE IN SEDONA? SO I, I MIGHT, I MIGHT BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, BUT I'D LIKE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO GET FEEDBACK FROM POLLING EXPERTS THAT MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ABOUT EXACTLY HOW THESE THINGS WORDED. 
          I KNOW I'M NOT ONE THAT'S FINE WITH WORDSMITHING IT. 
          I JUST WANT, THAT'S THE LIMITED SCOPE I GUESS IS OF THE QUESTION. 
          SO I'M OKAY WITH IT BEING SOMETHING THAT SAYS THE SIZE, IT'S COMMERCIAL, IT'S LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND IT'S IN SEDONA AND WHERE RIGHT. 
          IT'S FINE. 
          BUT THE REST OF IT, YEAH. 
          ASK A POLLING SEMANTICS. 
          SO WE'RE NOT LEADING THEM TO A PARTICULAR CONCLUSION, WHICH WE ARE ACCUSED OF ALL THE TIME. 
          BUT YEAH, I MEAN I, YEAH. 
          MAY I ASK A QUESTION? UM, WHO ARE WE PULLING? IS IT ANYBODY? IS IT REGISTERED VOTERS? IS IT PROPERTY OWNERS? IS IT BUSINESS PEOPLE? REGISTERED VOTERS. 
          REGISTERED VOTERS IN SEDONA PRECINCTS? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WAIT, WHAT IF SOMEBODY LIVES IN THE AREA CLOSE TO THE AMPHITHEATER, BUT THEY'RE NOT A REGISTERED VOTER BUT THEY'RE A PROPERTY OWNER. 
          THEY CAN'T, SHOULD WE USE PROPERTY OWNERS INSTEAD OF REGISTERED VOTERS? NO, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE GETTING PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO COMMITMENT TO SEDONA NECESSARILY. 
          THEY'RE NOT OUR CONSTITUENTS. 
          NO. 
          THEY DON'T GET A SAY YEAH. 
          HOUSEHOLDS SO THAT YOU GET RENTERS OR REGISTERED VOTERS BRIGHT LINE. 
          THEY'D BE A REGISTERED VOTER FOR A RENTER. 
          YEAH, I KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THEY HAVE TO HAVE A COMMITMENT TO SEDONA. 
          WHAT'S OUR VOTER REGISTRATION RATE? LIKE 89 OR SOMETHING PERCENT. 
          I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. 
          DO WE HAVE A WAY OF ACCESSING THAT? WELL, WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE VOTE IN AN ELECTION. 
          I KNOW. 
          WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T. 
          WE KNOW OUR VOTER REGISTRATION NUMBER PER FOR THE ZIP CODE. 
          YES. 
          WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TURNOUT RATES. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          SO THAT ASSUMES WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE REGISTERED. 
          SO I BELIEVE THROUGH THE COUNTY OR WHOEVER, WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          I MEAN, AS LONG AS OUR VOTER REGISTRATION RATE IS OVER, LIKE 85% WITHIN THE 8, 8 3, OUR ZIP CODE, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S FINE. 
          I THINK IT'S ALONG THE LINES OF 5,200 AND I THINK AROUND THAT FIF IT'S IN THE 5,000 SOMETHING I, WE CAN LOOK IT UP REALLY FAST AND UH, I THINK WE HAVE 6,000 PLUS OR MINUS PROPERTIES. 
          WE CAN LOOK IT UP THERE. 
          SO KNOWING, AND AGAIN, AND I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          AS I SAID, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING A LARGE SWATH OF, OF, OF PEOPLE IN THE AREA. 
          AND ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT THERE MIGHT BE THREE REGISTERED VOTERS AT ONE ADDRESS. 
          NO, I'M, I AM. 
          IT'S FINE. 
          I JUST WANT THAT ON THE TABLE FOR INFORMATION. 
          SO I'M FINE WITH IT. 
          ONE MAN, ONE VOTE. 
          HMM. 
          ONE WOMAN, ONE VOTE. 
          THAT'S WHY, I MEAN IF THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE IN THE HOUSEHOLD, THEY GET THREE VOTES. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK I SAW A MAJORITY SAY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE THAT AND THAT TYPE OF LANGUAGE AND REGISTERED VOTERS. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL WORK ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS COULD BE ALL. 
          IS THAT, UM, MAYOR, IS THAT COVERING EVERYTHING FOR THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC FOR NOW OR WAS THERE, UH, THE PRESUMPTION OF THE MASTER PLAN? YES, THE, YEAH, BECAUSE I, YOU 
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KNOW, I, I'M GLAD YOU, YOU TALKED TO US ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN BECAUSE I GOT FEEDBACK FROM AFTER OUR MEETING THAT STAFF WAS VERY CONFUSED ABOUT THE DIRECTION WE GAVE WHEN YOU SPOKE TO US. 
          IT WAS A PRETTY CLEAR DIRECTION AND I BELIEVE THERE WERE, SO THERE WAS A MEETING IN SEPTEMBER WHEN DIG PRESENTED TO YOU WHAT THE CURRENT ITERATION OF THE MASTER PLAN LOOKED LIKE AFTER ALL OF THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT PROCESS. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE WE RECEIVED THE FURTHER DIRECTION. 
          THEN THERE WAS A LATER MEETING THAT I WAS NOT PRESENT AT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT HAD TO DO WITH AMENDING DIGS CONTRACT AND YOU DID NOT WANT TO AMEND IT. 
          WE PAID 'EM FOR THE WORK THEY'VE DONE. 
          AND IT WAS THAT, THAT UM, RAISED A QUESTION WITH STAFF ABOUT WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH THIS IF WE'RE NOT GONNA EXTEND THE CONTRACT WITH THE CONSULTANT. 
          SO I THINK THAT WAS THE QUESTION, UH, HAD TO DO WITH LIKE, ARE WE ON OUR OWN FINDING A NEW CONSULTANT, BRINGING THEM BACK IN A DIFFERENT WAY OR LIKE WHAT ARE WE DOING? WELL I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE WE LEAVE TODAY AS TO EXACTLY WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE AND WHO SHOULD BE DOING THEM SO THAT EVERYBODY'S REALLY CLEAR. 
          THANK DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN SPEAK TO OPTIONS FOR NEXT STEPS OR SHOULD WE BRING SOMETHING BACK? YES, I DID. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS LOOKS LIKE A REPORT CARD. 
          IT'S ALRIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE, ARE WE SHIFTING  BUT WE'RE GONNA KEEP THAT ON THE AGENDA TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT RESTARTING DIG OR THE YEAH, THE FUTURE BECAUSE I THINK THAT STAFF NEEDS TO YES, I TOTALLY AGREE. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, SO WE HAVEN'T, SINCE THE CONTRACT WASN'T EXTENDED, WE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN WE, AS ANNETTE SAID, WE PAID THEM FOR THE WORK THAT WAS DONE BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THE MONEY TO PAY THEM. 
          UM, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME INITIAL POLLING. 
          THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF POLLING THAT WAS ALREADY DONE. 
          WE DID A SURVEY ABOUT A YEAR AGO THAT ASKED SOME OF THE SAME AMPHITHEATER QUESTIONS. 
          WE CAN DEFINITELY COMPILE THOSE TOO IF YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KIND OF FOCUSING ON JUST THE AMPHITHEATER QUESTIONS AND SOME OF THE RESPONSES WE'VE GOTTEN THERE. 
          UM, BUT REALLY TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS AND MAKING SOME OF THE CHANGES WE WOULD NEED TO REENGAGE WITH DIG, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN DO. 
          SO WE WOULD NEED DIRECTION ON THAT AND IF WE'RE GONNA EXTEND THE CONTRACT, THAT WOULD NEED TO COME BACK AGAIN TO COUNCIL. 
          SO I BELIEVE WHAT WE STOPPED DIG FROM DOING WAS COMING BACK WITH FURTHER SCENARIOS WHEN WE WEREN'T, 'CAUSE THERE WAS A PROPOSAL, THEY COME BACK WITH MORE SCENARIOS AND I THINK THAT WE FELT, UNTIL WE HAD COUNCIL MORE ALIGNED ON WHERE WE WERE GOING, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THERE WAS A GOOD USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS TO HAVE THEM JUST COME BACK WITH ADDITIONAL SCENARIOS. 
          'CAUSE FRANKLY I DON'T THINK WE WERE OF, I DON'T THINK WE, WE WERE OF EVEN A CONSENSUS AT THAT POINT OF THE DIRECTION WE SHOULD GO IN. 
          BUT I REMEMBER YOU SAYING SPECIFICALLY CARRIE, THAT WELL WE, THERE ARE THESE OTHER THINGS WE COULD DO BEF WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR YOU TO DECIDE HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS YOU WANTED AND THE TYPES. 
          AND THEN WE SAID WE NEEDED TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAD THIS STRATEGY. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE LEFT THE, YEAH, SO THE BALANCED HOUSING PLAN AND GETTING THAT DONE WAS PART OF IT AND TONY'S BEEN WORKING ON THAT. 
          SO HE'S JUMPED IN JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE METAPHOR IS, SORRY, RIGHT UP DEEP IN THAT ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE, SOME MINOR THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AS STAFF. 
          BUT THE DIRECTION, SOME OF THE DIRECTION WAS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IF WE CHANGE, IF YOU SAY NO FOUR STORY BUILDINGS AND WE'RE GOING TO THREE STORIES, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO NUMBERS AND UNIT MIX AND SITE PLAN. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY THINGS THAT DIG NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED IN. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S, THEY HAVE ALL OF THAT AND THEY HAVE THAT EXPERTISE. 
          UM, AND SO WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, A CLEAR DIRECTION OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO NEXT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN START DOING AS STAFF BUT THE MAIN WORK IS GOING TO BE DIG. 
          UM, BUT IF THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADING, IS THAT A GOOD USE OF STAFF TIME TO DO SOME OF THAT INTERIM WORK? WOULD THE QUESTION? SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS DO WE WANNA WAIT FOR THE, WHAT IS THE, WHAT COULD YOU BE DOING WHILE WE ARE WAITING FOR THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY AND DO WE NEED TO WAIT FOR THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY BEFORE 
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WE CAN GIVE FURTHER DIRECTION? OKAY. 
          CITY MANAGER READ OFF A LIST BEFORE IT'S THOSE THINGS, RIGHT? YEAH, I'M PULLING BACK. 
          SORRY. 
          NO, NO, GO RIGHT AHEAD. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS AN AD HOC . 
          OH NO I DON'T HAVE ALL THAT. 
          UM, OKAY SO WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT IS EXPLORE ADDITION OR EXCUSE ME, EXPLORE RECREATION CENTER INITIAL CAUSE. 
          'CAUSE PART OF THAT DIALOGUE WAS AROUND WHETHER OR NOT A REC CENTER, UM, YOU WANTED US TO SET UP A MEETING WITH THE OAK CREEK, SEDONA OAK CREEK SCHOOL BOARD TO UNDERSTAND THEIR NEEDS, WHICH I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET DONE. 
          UM, I DIDN'T MENTION THAT EARLIER. 
          SO THAT CAN HAPPEN. 
          UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS WAS EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR BUILDINGS NO HIGHER THAN THREE STORIES. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STAFF OR DIG OR HOW THAT WORKS. 
          UM, EXPLORE OPTIMIZING THE ALLOCATION OF PROPERTY USES AND ACREAGES FOR EACH BLOCK. 
          I'M NOT, THAT'S KIND OF VAGUE. 
          UM, AND MORE DETAILS OF ON WHAT COULD BE IN THE MIXED USE BLOCKS. 
          UM, AND I THINK BOTH OF THOSE ARE REALLY BIG QUESTIONS. 
          UM, MAINTAIN OR INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE NATURAL AREA. 
          SO COULD WE PUT IN MORE NATURAL AREA THE QUESTION AROUND WHAT TYPES AND HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS WAS THE ISSUE OF WE NEED TO GET OUR HOUSING STRATEGY COMPLETED SO WE COULD ANSWER THE HOUSING QUESTION ON THE SITE. 
          SO THERE WERE NON HOUSING UM, ITEMS THAT WE WERE ASKED TO WORK ON WHILE THE BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY WAS BEING PUT TOGETHER. 
          MELISSA? SO AMONG THE NON HOUSING AREAS, THERE WAS WHAT EXISTS IN JOSH'S MIND THAT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT IF HE WAS GIVEN MORE SPACE. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE NATURAL AREA OF THE PARK SPACE. 
          UM, SO I HEARD THAT. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO THE QUESTION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD WANT A REC CENTER AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE OR WHAT THAT WOULD COST US. 
          'CAUSE YOU HAD MENTIONED, I REMEMBER AT THE TIME ANNETTE, THAT THAT HAD BEEN DONE MONTHS AGO. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT, I ACTUALLY REQUESTED THAT YOU'D SEND THAT BACK OUT SO THAT WE COULD SEE WHAT THE COST MIGHT BE FOR A REC CENTER. 
          I MEAN I KNOW THAT JOSH YEARS AGO, OKAY, MAYBE ONLY A YEAR AGO CAME AND PRESENTED AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE SAID WAS, I WOULD LOVE A WORLD CLASS AQUATIC CENTER. 
          AND THAT REALLY SOUNDED EXPENSIVE TO ME. 
          SO, UM, . 
          SO I JUST WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS WE COULD FIGURE OUT BEFORE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR HOUSING SITUATION IS. 
          I REMEMBER AT THAT TIME I KEPT PUSHING ON WHO ARE WE TRYING TO HOUSE BECAUSE THAT WILL DETERMINE HOW BIG THOSE UNITS HAVE TO BE. 
          HOW MANY OF THOSE UNITS WE WOULD WANT, WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA HAVE LIVE WORKSPACES FOR REMOTE WORKERS OR YOUNG ARTISTS OR YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S GALLERIES BELOW AND WORKSPACES APARTMENTS ABOVE AND YOU KNOW, WE HAD ALL OF THAT STUFF JUST SORT OF, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER I SAID, AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY SAID LOTS OF OTHER THINGS, BUT COULD WE WORK ON THE PARK SECTION OF THAT SORT OF NOW I'M SURE JOSH WOULD BE EXCITED. 
          JOSH IS EXCITED ABOUT EVERYTHING . 
          UM, SO YEAH, WE CAN, UM, KEEPING IN MIND THAT THE ORIGINAL IDEA WE HAD FOR THE MASTER PLAN WAS THAT WE WOULD DETERMINE HOW THAT WE WERE REALLY LOOKING AT HOW MUCH PARK SPACE IS APPROPRIATE NOT ON ALL THE PROGRAMMATIC ELEMENTS OF EVERYTHING SO WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT MIGHT FIT THERE. 
          THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AFTER THEIR LAST MEETING ON IT, THE PARKED SPACE INCREASED BECAUSE THEY SAID THESE, IF WE WANT TO DO ALL OF THESE THINGS, WE NEED MORE SPACE THAN IS CURRENTLY ALLOCATED FOR THE PARK. 
          UM, SO THE MASTER PLAN ISN'T NECESSARILY COMMITTING TO A LOT OF THESE THINGS. 
          IT'S SAYING HERE'S WHAT YOU COULD FIT IN THERE. 
          IS THAT REASONABLE? AND AGAIN, THAT LED TO DOUBLING THE PARK AREA AFTER THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HEARING. 
          I WOULD ALSO MENTION THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S NOT ON ANNETTE'S LIST THAT, BUT THAT WE WILL NEED TO LOOK AT IS HOW NOW THAT SF IS GETTING POTENTIALLY SOME SPACE, UM, WE DO, THAT WAS AN AREA THAT WAS MIXED USE AREA. 
          SO WE WOULD PROBABLY WANNA LOOK AT WHETHER WE WANT TO, IF THAT'S GONNA BE THE ONLY NON, YOU KNOW, MIXED USE IF THAT'S GONNA TAKE UP THAT WHOLE AREA, IF WE'RE GONNA EXPAND THAT AREA TO ALLOW SOME OTHER USES IN THERE. 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING 
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WE WOULD NEED TO START LOOKING AT AS WELL. 
          YEAH, I I I GUESS I'M NOT ASKING FOR SPECIFICS FROM ANYONE. 
          LIKE THESE ARE THE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT I WANT, LIKE MY WORLD CLASS AQUATIC CENTER, BUT MORE ALONG THE LINES OF WE'VE ASKED QUESTIONS LIKE WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU WANT TO USE THE AMPHITHEATER AS IT EXISTS TODAY WITH FEWER SEATING? RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE AN AREA THERE THAT WHERE YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, COULD BE OPEN PARK SPACE, BUT THEN SOMETIMES IT'S THE YOGA FESTIVAL OR THE WINE FESTIVAL OR THE FOOD TRUCK FESTIVAL OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE IN YOUR HEAD ABOUT THOSE THINGS AND YOU KNOW, DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT FIT WITH THE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT HAD BEEN ALLOCATED TO THE AMOUNT OF LAND YOU THINK YOU ACTUALLY NEED? AND THEN WHAT'S LEFT FOR THAT? AND THEN IF WE LIKE THOSE IDEAS, DO WE THEN START TO SAY HOW DO YOU MASTER PLAN ON THE REST OF IT FOR HOUSING? I MEAN I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M HEARING EVERYBODY AND GIVING IT BACK CORRECTLY. 
          THERE'S NO FACIAL EXPRESSIONS ON THIS SIDE OF THE TIDE , IT'S DURING THE PLANNING PROCESS, HOW MUCH EFFORT WAS PUT INTO THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE COULD USE THAT EXISTING AMPHITHEATER SPACE FOUR, WAS THAT REJECTED AND WE MOVED ON TO THE PLANNING PROCESS THAT WE GOT TO? OR HAS THIS QUESTION BEEN ANSWERED BEFORE? NO, I DON'T THINK IT HAS. 
          NOT BY US, CERTAINLY. 
          BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHETHER WE CONSIDERED REOPENING THE AMPHITHEATER AS PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS USING THE SPACE FOR PARKS AND REC. 
          JUST LIKE MELISSA WAS JUST SAYING. 
          I MEAN IT'S, SO THE AMPHITHEATER SPACE BASED, WE FOCUS THE PUBLIC SPACE AROUND THE TRAILHEAD. 
          UM, KIND OF JUST AT THAT UPPER END WE FELT THAT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE, AS GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO PUT THE PUBLIC SPACE CLOSEST TO THE PUBLIC ACCESS THAT YOU WEREN'T DRIVING THROUGH. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TO PUT HOUSING UP THERE AND DO SOMETHING MORE PUBLIC AT THE AMPHITHEATER, YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH THE HOUSING AREA PAST THE TRAILHEAD TO GET DOWN TO THERE. 
          UM, EXACTLY BECAUSE OF THE TRAILHEAD LOCATION AND WHAT THAT IS. 
          AND THAT'S NOT MOVING FOREST SERVICES THERE. 
          UM, THAT'S HOW THE PUBLIC AREAS ENDED UP AT THE TOP OF THE AMPHITHEATER AS WELL. 
          OR SORRY, TOP OF THE SITE. 
          UM, THROUGH THE PUBLIC OUTREACH PROCESS, THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR SOME KIND OF AMPHITHEATER. 
          THE PREFERRED SIZE WAS MORE THAN THE 1500 TO 2000 SQUARE FOOT RANGE. 
          YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE WERE SEAT OF SEATS. 
          SORRY, I'M SORRY . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YOU'RE A SQUARE FOOT PERSON SO YOU'RE ALLOWED THAT  SEATS. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THERE WAS, UM, THERE WAS A PUBLIC INTEREST IN SOME KIND OF AMPHITHEATER SPACE, BUT AT A SMALLER SIZE THAN THE 5,500 SEAT. 
          I ALMOST SAID SQUARE FOOT AGAIN SEAT, UM, THAT WAS THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO BECAUSE HOUSING WAS THE NEXT MOST POPULAR OR AS HOUSING IN, UH, SOME KIND OF PUBLIC BENEFIT PERFORMANCE AMPHITHEATER SPACE. 
          THOSE WERE THE TWO THINGS THAT WERE AT THE HIGH, HIGH END. 
          AND AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A LARGE PROPERTY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FIT EVERYTHING AT EVERYBODY WANTS ON THE SITE. 
          AND SO ONE WAY THAT YOU CAN FIT MORE IS BY GOING TALLER, THE AREA THAT THE AMPHITHEATER IS IN, AND THEN THE AREA TO THE NORTH THAT ARE THE LOWEST AREAS OF THE SITE. 
          SO IF WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO DENSITY TO TRY TO GET HOUSING AND PUBLIC SPACE AND MIXED USE AND ALL OF THESE THINGS, AGAIN, ADDING A THIRD OR FOURTH STORY, I KNEW WE, THERE WAS ONE PLAN THAT WE SAID, WHAT IF WE JUST MAXIMIZE EVERYTHING? AND THAT WAS WHERE THE SEVEN STORY BUILDING CAME FROM. 
          THAT WAS NOT POPULAR IN THE COMMUNITY, WE DIDN'T PURSUE THAT ONE. 
          BUT PUTTING THE TALLER BUILDINGS AT THE LOWER SPOT OF THE SITE, WHAT'S THE WORD? UH, IT MINIMIZES THE VISUAL IMPACT. 
          AND SO THAT'S HOW KIND OF THE SITE ENDED UP. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL AREAS FURTHEST AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE SITE. 
          SO THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S A SUMMARY OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE IT IS. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU AGAIN. 
          IT'S ALL, IT'S STILL BEING, YOU KNOW, REFINED AND, AND IT'S BEEN SO, AND BUT THEN THE AMPHITHEATER. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          SORRY, . 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN OUR CONSULTANTS WENT OUT TO THE SITE AND LOOKED AT IT, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THAT HAS ALL BEEN TERRACE, IT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT TO BUILD ON IF YOU PUT PEOPLE IN HIGHER DENSITY APARTMENTS, IT'S GREAT TO PROVIDE THEM WITH SOME OPEN SPACE, SOME PARKS. 
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AND SO THE AMPHITHEATER SEATING WAS, UM, ENVISIONED TO LEAVE ALL OF THE RETAINING WALLS AND EVERYTHING THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, CLEAN THEM UP, PUT SOME AMENITIES, SPECIFICALLY SOME MORE OF A PRIVATE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN THAT AREA VERSUS THE MORE PUBLIC PARK NEAR THE TRAILHEAD. 
          SO THEY, THE PLAN ANTICIPATED KEEPING A LOT OF THAT, THE RETAINING WALLS AND THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          OH, THANK YOU CARRIE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S A, A, A NICE SUMMARY OF THE PROCESS THAT'S BEEN USED SO FAR. 
          AND TO ME, I HEAR THAT THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF THINKING ABOUT HOW TO USE THAT SPACE AND AN EFFECTIVE PLANNING, BEST PLANNING PRACTICES AND YOU PUT ACTIVATING PUBLIC SPACES OVER BY THE TRAIL HEADS. 
          SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY WONDERFUL IDEA. 
          SO WE'VE GIVEN THIS MAYBE NOT EXACTLY THE QUESTION THAT MIGHT BE ON THE TABLE, BUT WE'VE GIVEN THIS LOTS OF THOUGHT UP TO THIS POINT. 
          WE HAVEN'T GIVEN IT ANY THOUGHT. 
          WE, WE, THE STAFF, WE THE COUNTY, WE, WE'VE THE COUNCIL, THE COMMUNITY HAS, RIGHT? WE DID, YEAH. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON A FINAL MASTER PLAN, BUT THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU HEARD, WE HEARD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE. 
          STAFF HAS TOLD US ABOUT THE THINGS THAT THEY CONSIDERED AND NOT CONSIDERED. 
          AND WHAT I'VE HEARD IS WE REALLY WOULDN'T ACTIVATE THE AMPHITHEATERS IN AMPHITHEATER. 
          WE WOULD USE IT AS A PRIVATE PUBLIC SPOT AND WE DO OUR PUBLIC STUFF OVER BY THE TRAILHEAD. 
          WE'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE. 
          AND WE DIDN'T REJECT IT. 
          WE, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT, WE'VE NEVER TALKED ABOUT IT EXCEPT WE DID, WE'VE HAD BIG PRESENTATIONS TO COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT THIS THING IS LOOKING LIKE. 
          AND WE, WE HAD SCENARIOS AND WE SAID THANK YOU AND WE ASKED A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS, BUT I DON'T RECALL US UNTIL SEPTEMBER EVER HAVING A COUNCIL MEETING IN WHICH WE ACTUALLY RESPONDED OR REACTED. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER, LET'S GO FORWARD. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WAS IN THE PAST. 
          LET'S JUST GO FORWARD IN, IN WHAT WE WANT TO GIVE DIRECTION TO DO. 
          ARE WE READY TO DO THAT? AND I THINK WE HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION OF, ANNETTE BROUGHT UP, UH, A NUMBER OF TASKS. 
          I MEAN, IS IS DIG THE, AS AN EXAMPLE, IS DIG THE APPROPRIATE PARTY TO DO AN EVALUATION OF A REC CENTER? I I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE DIG DO THAT. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE, BECAUSE, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID, I DON'T SEE AS DIG TASKS. 
          I SEE THEM AS, AS OTHER TASKS THAT WOULD BE DONE. 
          SO THE QUESTION WAS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE COULD PURSUE THEN THAT WERE NOT DIG RELATED THAT WE, THAT WE ALL ACTUALLY ALREADY SAID WE WANTED TO HAVE DONE. 
          SECOND THING I HEARD WAS ABOUT THE DIG CONTRACT AND WE WANNA REENGAGE WITH THEM OR NOT AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE WOULD BE, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT WE WOULD BE REENGAGING THEM TO DO AND WHEN WE WOULD DO THAT. 
          AND THEN I HEARD THAT WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, THE HOUSING STRATEGY IS BEING WORKED ON, DOES DO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT HOUSING STRATEGY IN PLACE BEFORE WE WOULD ENGAGE THE CONSULTANT? THAT'S MY THAT THOUGHTS ABOUT STEPS. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, MAYOR. 
          IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
           , THANK YOU FOR, UM, WELL I DEFINITELY REMEMBER HEARING STRONGLY THAT COUNCIL WANTED MORE INFORMATION ON HOUSING BEFORE YOU COULD MAKE ANY KIND OF FINAL THOUGHTS AROUND HOUSING AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY SITE. 
          AND THAT AT THE TIME SEEMED TO BE THE MAJOR, UM, UM, I WOULDN'T CALL IT ISSUE, BUT MAJOR CONCERN THAT YOU HAD. 
          YOU DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS, UM, AT THAT POINT AND, BUT YOU FELT LIKE YOU NEEDED SOMETHING OTHER THAN LIKE INTUITION OR YOUR GUT TO HELP YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE SO WE CAN GET THAT GOING AND DONE. 
          AND WE ARE EMBARKING ON THAT AND I'VE SIGNED THE CONTRACT AND EVERYTHING IS UNDERWAY. 
          UM, SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU THIS SPRING. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE HOUSING STRATEGY ADOPTED FORMALLY TO TAKE THAT INFORMATION TO RESTART YOUR CONVERSATION ON THE MASTER PLAN. 
          BUT WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH DISCUSSION AND DATA FOR YOU. 
          UM, MARCH-ISH, APRIL, YOU HAVE A WORK SESSION GENERALLY 
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ON IT AT THE END OF FEBRUARY. 
          SO IF YOU WANNA WAIT TILL YOU HAVE THAT, WHICH WAS, I FELT LIKE THE INITIAL DIRECTION WAS WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE DECISION ON THE HOUSING AT WESTERN GATEWAY TILL WE KNOW THIS. 
          AND AT THAT TIME, I DON'T THINK COUNCIL WAS AWARE OF THE TIMEFRAME THAT SIF WAS UNDER. 
          SO I THINK AT THAT TIME WE FELT LIKE WE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO WORK ON THE PROJECT, DO IT RIGHT, CONTINUE TO GET THE FEEDBACK, REFINE THE MASTER PLAN CONCEPTS, BRING IT BACK, AND THEN LATER WE LEARNED THAT THERE WAS MORE OF A SENSE OF URGENCY AROUND THE SIF DECISION. 
          UM, SO WE INVITED THEM TO COME AND WE MADE THE DECISION TODAY AND THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          BUT NOW THAT THAT'S SORT OF OFF THE TABLE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER BIG SENSE OF URGENCY TO HURRY UP AND GET THIS PLAN BACK IN FRONT OF YOU OTHER THAN IT GETTING STALE IN THE MINDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE FORGETTING WHERE WE'RE AT AND WE NEED TO KEEP IT SORT OF ALIVE AND GOING IF WE'RE REALLY GONNA GET A PLAN ADOPTED. 
          BUT I WILL DEFER TO MY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TEAM IF THEY FEEL OTHERWISE I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO BE CONTRADICTED . 
          UM, I AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, YEAH, SO THE, THE NEXT STEPS, IF, YOU KNOW, DEFINING IF WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD AND CONTINUE TO REFINE AND MASSAGE THE CURRENT PLAN WE HAVE, WE WOULD NEED TO GO AND ADD IN, YOU KNOW, THE SIF PARCEL AND HOW DOES THAT IMPACT SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS AND WHAT'S AROUND THAT. 
          AND WE'D PROBABLY BE MAKING ADJUSTMENTS FOR THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS IN THE BASTARD PLAN YOU SAW IN SEPTEMBER WERE BASED ON A POTENTIAL FOUR STORY BUILDING. 
          UM, I THINK THE DIRECTION WE GOT WAS TO, UM, GO BACK TO THREE STORIES. 
          AND SO WE'D RERUN NUMBERS AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AND HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE OVERALL DENSITY AND COUNT? UM, IF THERE IS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS WITH, UM, THE BALANCED HOUSING PLAN, IT MIGHT BE THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOWER NUMBER IS, IS ULTIMATELY WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT LARGER UNITS WHICH TAKE UP MORE SPACE. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT, YOU DON'T WANT ALL STUDIOS, YOU WANT TWO BEDROOMS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, BUT KEEPING IN MIND THAT THE MASTER PLAN IS A MAXIMUM NUMBER, UM, WE CAN MASSAGE THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE FINAL DECISIONS OF EXACTLY WHAT TYPES OF UNITS YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD AS FAR AS NUMBER OF BEDROOMS AND STUFF, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A MASTER PLAN DISCUSSION, BUT WE CAN KIND OF GET IT GOING AND RAMP IT UP, UM, TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS AT THE SAME TIME AND SEE WHAT UNIT TYPE CHANGES, HOW THOSE MIGHT ADDRESS DENSITY. 
          PETE, THANK YOU CARRIE, YOU FRONT LOADED. 
          EXACTLY. 
          I THINK A QUESTION THAT I THINK IS LOOMING OUT HERE THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED DIRECTLY, BUT I REALLY BELIEVE IS THE QUESTION IS HOW MANY UNITS, IT'S NOT THE TYPE, WE STILL HAVE A LONG CONVERSATION IN THE HOUSING STUDY ABOUT WHAT IT IS, BUT I THINK IT WOULD REALLY HELP EVERYBODY IF THIS COUNCIL WOULD JUST SAY, AND I DO, I THINK IT'S DOWN TO A POLITICAL DISCUSSION. 
          IT'S NO LONGER A WHAT'S THE BEST STRATEGY FOR THIS OR THAT OR THE OTHER THING. 
          IT'S KIND OF, AT THIS POINT IT'S A POLITICAL DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW, WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS THAT YOU WANT. 
          WE CAN ARGUE LATER ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THE TYPES ARE, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER? YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T SEVEN 50, IT DOESN'T EVEN SEEM TO BE FOUR 50. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD JUST BE BOLD ENOUGH TO, TO SET A LIMIT SO THAT THE PLANNING PROCESS CAN CONTINUE AND YOU KNOW, IF IT'S LOW ENOUGH THEN MAYBE EVEN A AMPHITHEATER COULD EXIST. 
          BUT I I THINK WE SHOULD SET WHAT THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF HOUSE HOMES ARE. 
          KATHY, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I FIND IT HARD TO SEPARATE TYPE FROM NUMBER OF UNITS ONLY BECAUSE ONE WILL HAVE ONE PERSON LIVING IN THEM. 
          ONE WILL HAVE FOUR PEOPLE, ONE NEEDS ONE PARKING SPACE, ONE NEEDS THREE PARKING SPACE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT, IT'S, IT'S A, THERE'S A TRAFFIC QUESTION. 
          THERE'S IMPACT ON THE ROAD, THE, I MEAN IT'S BUILDING TO DIFFERENT LEVELS DEPENDING ON THE TYPES OF UNIT DICTATING, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          WE NEED SOME CAPS IN PLACE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO WITH THAT, BUT I DO THINK TYPE HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON NUMBER OF UNITS. 
          MAYBE IT'S PEOPLE THAT'S YEAH, BEDROOMS, RIGHT BEDROOMS. STEVE HAD A COMMENT THAT THE REST OF US FORGOT ABOUT. 
          SO IS A GOOD WAY SHE COULD HAVE JUST SAID IT. 
          UM, I DID WANNA BRING UP THE 
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FACT THAT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY COUNCIL, UM, PREVIOUSLY IS THAT YOU HAD ALSO WANTED US TO RUN, UM, THE MASTER PLAN PAST DEVELOPERS AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON IS 200 UNITS EVEN VIABLE? IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT IS EVEN GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE BUILT. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT BACK OUT THERE THAT, UH, THAT IS ANOTHER THING THAT WE KNOW THAT YOU HAD ASKED FOR BUT WAS NOT A PART OF THIS DISCUSSION. 
          GOOD POINT. 
          SO WHERE ARE WE ON GETTING THAT KIND OF QUESTION ANSWERED? WHERE WE IN SEPTEMBER , THAT THAT WAS PART OF, UH, WHAT DIG HAD PROPOSED TO DO? UM, BUT NOW THAT WE'RE AT THIS POINT WE HAVE A POSSIBLE OTHER ROUTE, UM, THAT WE CAN GO AND, AND, UH, OUR NEW DIRECTOR HAS ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT WITH US, SO WELL, WHAT'S THAT OTHER ROUTE,  AND HOW FAST CAN IT BE DONE? ALL THE MYSTERIES? UM, NO. 
          SO WHAT, UH, THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE COULD BE AND, AND, AND THIS IS NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE WORK THAT DIG WAS CONSIDERING BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, THEY WERE GONNA HAVE CONSULTATION WITH DEVELOPERS, UM, AND TO THEIR CREDIT, THEY KNOW DEVELOPERS IN THIS AREA. 
          IF I WAS GOING TO LOOK AT IT, I WOULD SIMPLY CONTACT COLLEAGUES I KNOW IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT ARE NATIONAL DEVELOPERS AND ASK THEM THE SAME QUESTIONS. 
          UM, BUT IN FAIRNESS, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DEVELOP IN ARIZONA. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE THE CAVEAT. 
          I COULD CALL THEM AND THEY COULD SAY WHAT, UM, AND THEN WE'D BE BACK TO WHERE WE WERE. 
          UM, BUT IT'S A SIMPLE PHONE CALL TO GO AHEAD AND JUST ASK THEM THEIR THOUGHTS ON IT. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE WON'T END UP BACK WHERE WE ARE. 
          SO, ANNETTE, DIDN'T YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH A COUPLE OF DEVELOPERS YOURSELF, ? YES, I DID. 
          AND IT WAS REALLY MORE AROUND, UM, WHAT IT WAS COUCHED AROUND, UH, LESSONS LEARNED FROM OTHER MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENTS AND GETTING ADVICE ON, ONCE YOU HAVE A MASTER PLAN, DO YOU GET A MASTER DEVELOPER TO DO THE WHOLE THING OR DO YOU CHUNK OUT, UM, PORTIONS OF THE SITE TO MULTIPLE DEVELOPERS DEPENDING ON THE TYPE. 
          SO IT WASN'T REALLY AROUND HOW MANY UNITS OR ENOUGH UNITS. 
          THEY DID MAKE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, WITH ECONOMIES OF SCALE AND THE WAY FINANCING WORKS AND ALL THAT, THAT THERE WERE SOME KIND OF MINIMUMS THEY WOULD NEED TO DO. 
          AND, UM, I HAD ASKED THEM WHY THEY HADN'T PROPOSED ON OUR SMALLER HOUSING PROJECTS LIKE SHELBY OR SUNSET LOFTS, AND IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO SMALL, LIKE 30 UNITS IS WAY TOO SMALL FOR THESE FOLKS. 
          UM, AND UH, SO IT WAS MORE AROUND THOSE LINES AROUND, YOU KNOW, JUST MANAGING A MASTER PLAN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO MOVE US TO CONCLUDE THIS TOPIC. 
          SO, UH, I REALIZE THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN FULLY ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SURVEY, SO WE STILL NEED TO DO THAT BEFORE WE COMPLETE IT. 
          UH, AND UH, I THOUGHT WE DID. 
          I THOUGHT WE DID. 
          WELL YOU SAID, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY REGISTER, I MEAN, TO ME IT WAS OPEN AND THEN SOMEBODY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LANGUAGE WAS, WAS APPROVED. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT WAS VETTED BY A NEUTRAL PARTY. 
          SO I I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DECIDED. 
          SO IF YOU COULD TELL ME WHAT WE DECIDED , WE DECIDED WHAT, WHAT CAN ANNETTE TELL US? FAIR ENOUGH. 
          WE DECIDED THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WHAT I HEARD IS, UH, DO A PUBLIC OPINION POLL THAT IS SENT TO ALL REGISTERED VOTERS IN THE SEDONA PRECINCTS, UM, AND HAVE A PROFESSIONAL POLLSTER HELP US WRITE A QUESTION THAT INCLUDES THE SIZE, LOCATION, AMPHITHEATER, OR EXCUSE ME, SIZE 5,500 SEAT LOCATION WESTERN GATEWAY OR HOWEVER WE'RE GONNA DESCRIBE THAT, AND THAT IT'S A COMMERCIAL LIVE AND ENTERTAINMENT VENUE. 
          UM, LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AMPHITHEATER. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AMPHITHEATER. 
          OKAY. 
          WE ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          IF, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ASSESS THIS, SHOULD WE ASK, I MEAN, ARE WE OPEN TO MAYBE THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY SAY, GEE, THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME LANGUAGE 
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THAT FRAMES WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS SELF-FUNDING OR NOT. 
          AND WE CAN ASK THEM THAT. 
          I MEAN, BUT THAT'S, I DID, I THE MAJORITY I SAW DIDN'T WANT THE FUNDING IN THE QUESTION. 
          I MEAN, I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER THEY COME BACK WITH. 
          I WANT, I WANNA, I WANNA LIMIT THE PARAMETER OF, OF HOW THEY'RE PUTTING THE QUESTION TOGETHER AS WE DESCRIBED AND DISCUSSED AD NAUSEUM BASICALLY SIZE, LOCATION, AND COMMERCIAL, UH, AMPHITHEATER, ENTERTAINMENT VENUE. 
          I'M WITH THAT IS WHAT I WROTE DOWN. 
          HMM. 
          OKAY, LET'S, I'M WITH KATHY. 
          I THINK I COULD, I'LL ANSWER KATHY'S QUESTION. 
          SO USE THESE NUMBERS THAT THE CLERK GAVE US, THAT'S ABOUT 75% OF OUR POPULATION. 
          THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY FINE FOR ME. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          LET'S, I'M ACTUALLY A NO. 
          UH, BUT BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE BIASING THE ANSWER. 
          I THINK WE WANT TO GET TO AN ANSWER AND WE'RE STRUCTURING IT SO WE GET TO THAT ANSWER. 
          I'D LIKE TO HAVE A POLLSTER TELL US WHAT'S AN UNBIASED QUESTION IS THAT'S WHY WE WANT A POLLSTER TO HAVE THOSE. 
          NO, WE'RE GIVING A POLLSTER TO, WE'RE LIMITING WHAT THE PO WHAT THE QUESTION IS. 
          AND I THINK WE SHOULDN'T BE LIMITING IT TO, BUT THAT'S OKAY. 
          THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY TAKE. 
          WE COULD, I THINK WE COULD STILL GET THE POLLSTER TO TELL US WHETHER IT'S BIASED OR NOT, WHETHER IT'S A PROBLEM. 
          I, I THINK WE SHOULD A, GET AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER WE'VE BIASED THIS THING AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO YET GO FORWARD WITH HOW WE WOULD UNBIAS IT. 
          MAYBE IT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT, BUT IF THE ANSWER COMES BACK, NOPE, IT'S FINE, THEN WE, IT'S FINE. 
          IF IT COMES BACK THAT WE GOT A PROBLEM, WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THE PROBLEM. 
          SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UM, AGAIN, I DIDN'T ASK YOU ABOUT TIMING, BUT UM, WE CAN DO THIS WORK, GET THE OPINION, GET A DRAFT QUESTION, CERTAINLY BRING IT BACK TO YOU SO YOU KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION'S GONNA BE. 
          WE DON'T WANNA SURPRISE YOU BY PUTTING IT OUT AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT. 
          UM, HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          AND ASKING THEM IF THEY THINK IT'S BIASED OR UNFAIR. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH, I GET THE OPINION OF HOW TO WRITE THIS TYPE OF QUESTION AND THEN, OKAY, SO WHAT'S OUR TARGET FOR GETTING IT OUT TO MARKET? WELL, IF I'M BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU, UM, YOUR NEXT MEETING IS JANUARY 13 AND 14. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THOSE ITEMS WILL BE WORKING ON NEXT WEEK. 
          YOU THINK THAT'S ENOUGH TIME? UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN HAVE IT IN THE PACKET BY THEM, BUT I COULD CERTAINLY HAVE AN AGENDA BILL WRITTEN AND TRY TO HAVE SOMETHING AT ON THAT DAY. 
          IF THERE'S EVEN TIME ON THE AGENDA. 
          I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE 13TH, BUT THAT WORKS BACK IN CONJUNCTION WITH BALANCE HOUSING STUDY. 
          IT ALL COMES TOGETHER OR WAIT UNTIL WE DO THE FEBRUARY. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE RECOMMENDING? NO, I WAS SAYING IF AT THE P YOU'RE YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IT QUICKLY AND THAT'S GREAT AND ASSUMING THAT IT MOVES AS QUICKLY AS YOU MIGHT WANT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE RESULTS BACK BY THE TIME WE'RE DEEP INTO THE BALANCED HOUSING DISCUSSION. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT TO HAVE THAT DOVETAIL TOGETHER. 
          SO RIGHT NOW THE AGENDA, UM, HAS TWO PRESENTATIONS THAT WERE REQUESTED TO BE GIVEN TO YOU BY OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS AND THEN A COUPLE OF CONTRACTS. 
          SO IF I CAN GET SOMEBODY TO HELP ME, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF, IF I CAN FIND SOMEBODY TO DO THIS IN TIME TO GET A QUESTION BACK FOR THE 13TH, THAT'LL BE MY GOAL. 
          BUT IF NOT, THEN THE END OF JANUARY AT THE NEXT SET OF MEETINGS. 
          I HATE TO MUDDY THIS ANY FURTHER, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND THE TIME, THE MONEY TO GO SURVEY AND WE'RE GONNA WHAT? SEND THIS OUT SNAIL MAIL, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? SINCE IT'S REGISTERED VOTERS? SO JOE, JOE SAYS, YEAH, SO, SO SNAIL MAIL, I MEAN, I ASSUME SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE WANT TO KNOW INPUT WISE ABOUT WEST, LIKE LIMITED TO WESTERN GATEWAY? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE WANT TO KNOW? AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANN YEAH, I'M TOTALLY OPEN TO YES OR NO, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO THE TROUBLE TO GET ONE QUESTION ANSWERED, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA KNOW? DO WE WANNA SEE ANY HOUSING AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY? ASK THE EXPLICIT QUESTION THAT THE INITIATIVE ASKS. 
          SHOULD WE BAN HOUSING AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY OR SHOULD WE HAVE SOME HOUSING AT THE WESTERN GATEWAY? YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          WE SHOULD ASK THAT QUESTION THEN WE'LL HAVE THE COMMUNITIES SENTIMENTS. 
          WE'RE GONNA NEED HELP WRITING THAT ONE. 
          I THINK IN A WAY THAT'S NEUTRAL AND WE'RE ALREADY PAYING. 
          YOU DON'T WANNA PUTTING THEM TOGETHER. 
          I JUST DON'T WANT IT PERCEIVED BY THE READER OF THIS THAT IT'S A EITHER OR PROPOSITION. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH PUTTING THE SECOND ONE ON THERE. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE I HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE 
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OF THOSE TWO. 
          LET'S COME UP WITH MORE QUESTIONS THEN. 
          HUH? LET'S DO MORE QUESTIONS THEN. 
          RIGHT TRACK. 
          WRONG TRACK . 
          AND IT CAN BE AT THE MOMENT, I MEAN KATHY, WE CAN MAKE IT CLEAR LIKE, HEY, THIS IS NOT AN EITHER OR. 
          RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN, AND WE ALWAYS ENVISION THE HOUSING AS A COMPONENT OF MULTIPLE USES. 
          SO I THINK THAT IT SHOULD PROBABLY SAY, YOU KNOW, HAVE A QUALIFIER LIKE SOME HOUSING ALONG WITH RETRACT MY REQUEST, LET'S KEEP IT FOCUSED ON THE CB TWO. 
          YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S DO IT. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THAT WILL HELP GUIDE US AND WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          I'M GONNA START WORDSMITHING HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WERE SO WAIT, WHERE YOUR COMMENT WAS TO INCLUDE A HOUSING QUESTION MM-HMM . 
          SO CAN WE WORK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT TO SEE WHAT PARAMETERS WE WANNA PUT FOR THAT QUESTION AS WELL? DO YOU SUPPORT ANY HOUSING QUESTION OR IS IT ENOUGH THAT WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING SOMEBODY HELP US WITH THE FIRST QUESTION AND THEY CAN JUST HELP US WITH THIS ONE TOO AND IT'S GONNA COME BACK TO US? AND THE IMPLICATIONS OF HAVING TOO ON THE BALLOT, RIGHT? THAT'S A ONLY LEGITIMATE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND ONLY TWO. 
          AND, AND I THINK YOU CAN'T ISOLATE HOUSING 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING WE WERE GONNA PUT UP THERE. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          SO IF YOU SAY BAN HOUSING HOUSING, DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE IT ALL OPEN? YOU HAVE TO SORT OF SAY AMONGST OTHER USES IS HOUSING A USE THAT YOU SUPPORT OR WHATEVER. 
          BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO IN REMEMBER PEOPLE READ IT. 
          THEY'RE GONNA MAKE UP WHATEVER STORY THEY WANT IN THEIR HEAD. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT EXPLICIT. 
          IF YOU SAY NO HOUSING IN THE WESTERN GATEWAY, THEN THEY'RE THINKING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THINKING IS GONNA GO UP THERE. 
          NO, I I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE SAY BANNING. 
          I'M SUGGESTING IT'S IN A POSITIVE OR DO YOU WANT NOT? DO YOU WANT NOT? ARE YOU AGAINST, DO YOU SUPPORT, I WOULD RECOMMEND LANGUAGE SAYING THAT SHOULD, UM, WOULD YOU SUPPORT SOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ALONG WITH OTHER USES AT THE SAME LANGUAGE, WESTERN GATEWAY SITE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          JUST AS LONG AS IT MAKES MAKES IT KNOWN THAT IT'S NOT A LIMITED USE. 
          AND THE ONLY THING I DON'T WANT THEM THINKING WE'RE BUILDING CO-OP CITY. 
          SORRY. 
          ONLY NEW YORKERS GET THAT REFERENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU WE NEED TO LOOK, WE NEED TO MOVE ALONG. 
          LET LET THE ANNETTE'S GOT ENOUGH. 
          I THINK WHAT IT'S COMING BACK TO US. 
          NOT, NOT ONE. 
          EXPAND HOUSING. 
          LET'S END THIS TOPIC AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THESE KNOCKED OUT, BUT THANK YOU. 
          I I THOUGHT THIS WAS A, IT WAS IMPORTANT CONVERSATION. 
          LONG OVERDUE ACTUALLY. 
          YES, EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, NEXT ONE. 
          ADDING HOPE HOUSE AND SEDONA FOOD BANK TO COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDERS LIST AND ESTABLISHING NEW SERVICE CONTRACTS FOR FY 27. 
          WE DISCUSSED. 
          SO CAN I, CAN I, BEFORE WE GO INTO THE DISCUSSION, I JUST HAVE INFORMATION. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO, UM, I WAS CONTACTED BY THE SEDONA FOOD BANK AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO NOT BE A SERVICE CONTRACT PROVIDER. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S JUST HOPE HOUSE. 
          AND THE RECOMMENDATION HAD BEEN THAT, UM, IF YOU MOVE THIS FORWARD, THE STAFF WOULD BRING THIS, UM, FORWARD AS A PART OF THE DECISION PACKAGE PROCESS FOR ALL COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDERS. 
          THEN WE WOULD NEGOTIATE WITH HOPE HOUSE THE SAME AS, UM, ASSUMING NO SEDONA FOOD BANK. 
          SO ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT? WE'RE NOT APPROVING IT. 
          WE'RE ASKING IT TO BE YES. 
          TO BE INCLUDED IN THE DECISION PACKAGE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS, YOU WAITED ALL THAT TIME,  AND THEN LIKE DID YOU LEARN ANYTHING ? I HAVE A, I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT. 
          IF WE MAKE, IF HOPE, IF HOPE HOUSE BECOMES A SERVICE PROVIDER, DOES THAT DISQUALIFY THEM FROM ANY GRANTS OR JUST ANY GRANTS FOR THAT SPECIFIC THING? CITY GRANTS. 
          CITY GRANTS. 
          CITY GRANTS. 
          GRANTS. 
          I MEAN CITY. 
          WELL, NO, I MEAN I KNOW NOT LIKE FEDERAL GRANTS, BUT I MEAN IF THEY WANTED TO YEAH, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          YOU CANNOT NO, WE DID. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND UH, ALSO ONE OTHER UM, UH, SIDE EFFECT I GUESS 'CAUSE I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER WORD, IS THAT WITH THE OTHER COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACTS, THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE A LA LIAISON FROM THE COUNCIL TO THEIR BOARD. 
          SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE WOULD PROPOSE THE SAME THING. 
          UHHUH  WITH THIS GROUP. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          ESTABLISHMENT OF A COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE FOR PERFORMANCE AUDIT. 
          I THINK THERE WERE THREE PEOPLE WHO RAISED THEIR HAND WHO WANTED TO BE ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          THEY WOULD BE MELISSA, BRIAN, AND PETE AND I HAD WRITTEN IN MY RECOMMENDATION THAT, UM, I THOUGHT WE SHOULD, UM, PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT, YOU KNOW, DEFINES IT AND ALL OF THAT. 
          AND THAT IT WOULD BE ADDED TO EITHER YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ANOTHER 
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EXHIBIT, EXHIBIT C, SEE, BUT SOMETHING THAT PUTS SOME MORE DEFINITION AROUND IT AND HAVE YOU GUYS FORMALLY ADOPT IT AND CREATE IT. 
          UM, SO IF THAT'S OF INTEREST, STAFF CAN WORK WITH LEGAL TO PREPARE THAT. 
          YEP. 
          AND THIS WAS LIMITED TO PHASE ONE? YES. 
          YES. 
          OF THE SUPPORT FOR YEAH, FOR PHASE ONE. 
          PHASE ONE. 
          SO, BUT THEN YOU COME BACK, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          GOOD, GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YEP. 
          KNOCK THAT ONE OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WHERE WERE WE AT WITH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN AND COMMUNITY EVENTS COUNSELOR OR VICE MAYOR FOLTZ? UM, UM, I FEEL LIKE, HOLD ON, LEMME PUT DOCUMENT. 
          THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR ITEMS ONE AND THREE, WHICH WERE JUST ILLUSTRATIVE EXAMPLES, ALTHOUGH ONE WAS PRETTY SPECIFIC ABOUT INCORPORATING A ONE OUT OF FOUR WORK SESSION TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS A MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY OUTSIDE OF THIS CHAMBER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          TO GET INPUT ON TOPICS OF SIGNIFICANT INTEREST AND IMPACT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO MY QUESTION ON THAT PIECE, BECAUSE YOU DO SPELL OUT WHAT WORK SESSIONS ARE FOR AND AGENDAS AND ALL THAT. 
          AGAIN, RULES OF PROCEDURE, UM, IF WE NEED TO ADD OR CHANGE ANY LANGUAGE TO OR NOT, IF IT'S AN AD HOC, SORT OF, LET'S TRY THIS THIS YEAR AND SEE IF WE WANT, IF WE'RE GONNA ADD SOME EXTRA SPECIAL MEETINGS. 
          I KIND OF LOOK TO JOANNE AND KURT WHETHER ANYTHING FORMAL HAS TO HAPPEN OR IF WE JUST START DOING IT. 
          YOU HAVE YOUR MEETINGS IN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE OUTLINED MM-HMM . 
          WHEN THOSE HAPPEN AND WHAT, HOW YOUR AGENDA WORKS. 
          RIGHT. 
          COULD THIS JUST STILL BE CALLED A WORK SESSION FROM A RULES AND PROCEDURE STANDPOINT? IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE WE MEET SOMEWHERE ELSE AND IT'S A DIFFERENT FORMAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED ANYTHING MORE SPECIFIC OR NOT, BUT IF NOT, WE CAN JUST START DOING IT. 
          I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE THE RULES TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. 
          I JUST, COUNSEL CAN CALL SPECIAL MEETINGS, WORK SESSIONS WHENEVER IT WANTS, WHEREVER IT WANTS. 
          AND IS THIS STARTING IN Q1 OF CALENDAR 26? OR IS THIS A COUNT Q1 OF FISCAL 27? HOW FAR OUT ARE WE COMMITTED? UM, I THINK MARCH THROUGH, WELL WE HAVE MEETINGS SCHEDULED HERE THROUGH APRIL AND WELL THE BUDGET PROCESS TOO. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE SCHEDULED WITH ITEMS INTO JUNE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO PROBABLY Q1 OF 27. 
          WELL, WELL WAIT ONE SECOND. 
          I, I THINK THIS IS WHAT I HEARD. 
          SO I'M GONNA LOOK AT KURT. 
          I THINK I HEARD WE CAN CALL SPECIAL MEETINGS ANYTIME, ANYWHERE THAT WE WANT TO. 
          YES. 
          SO IF WE WANTED IN JANUARY OF THE CALENDAR YEAR CALL A SPECIAL MEETING THAT WE HELD AT THE LIBRARY. 
          SO LONG AS IT'S NOTICED APPROPRIATELY AND THERE'S A MEMBER OF STAFF THERE TO TAKE NOTES TO MAKE IT LEGAL AS I REMEMBER THE PROCEDURE. 
          THEN WE COULD DO THIS WHENEVER WE WANT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR IT TO BE, UH, TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY THAT WE HAVE A COUNCIL SESSION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AS LONG AS THE COUNCIL WANTS TO COMMIT TO ANOTHER SESSION, THAT'S TOTALLY UP TO YOU. 
          AND THEN ALSO STAFF WOULD LOOK TO YOU AS TO WHAT THE TOPIC IS THAT YOU WANT TO INVITE PEOPLE TO COME TALK TO YOU ABOUT. 
          KATHY, I WAS SUPPORTIVE OF COUNCILLOR FO'S FIRST, UH, ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, WHICH REPLACED IT ONE WORK SESSION IN, IN EACH CYCLE WITH THIS NEW FORMAT OF A WORK SESSION. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IT'S, UH, BASICALLY OFFSITE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO STICK WITH THAT. 
          I, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU DIDN'T WANNA WAIT UNTIL MAY OR JUNE TO DO THIS, WE HAVE THE OPTION OF DOING THAT. 
          SO IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA DO THAT. 
          I, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH PUTTING THIS OFF TO Q1 OF 27. 
          FISCAL YEAR 27. 
          THAT'S COMING UP QUICK. 
          I MEAN, I, I CAN LIVE WITH THAT BEING THE ONE WHO PROPOSED IT. 
          UM, BUT LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE WEDNESDAY WORK SESSION ALREADY IS SPOKEN FOR. 
          NO, NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT. 
          WE JUST HAVE ITEMS OUT ALREADY BOOKED. 
          ALREADY BOOKED COMING TO YOU. 
          SO IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE ONE, PERHAPS ONE WEDNESDAY WORK SESSION BE THIS ALTERNATE FORMAT. 
          AND YOU GUYS JUST ADDED TONY TO TWO WORK SESSIONS YESTERDAY THAT WE HAD MAKING. 
          I SEE IT. 
          BUT THE QUESTION, I THINK THE, THE QUE THE ISSUE IS, I THINK I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR, IS THERE IS SOMETHING ALREADY SCHEDULED ON EACH OF THOSE. 
          SO IN ORDER TO DEDICATE ONE TO THIS ALTERNATE CONCEPT, WE'D HAVE TO MOVE THAT. 
          A 
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BUNCH OF THEM HAVE TO DO WITH THE BUDGET ADOPTION PROCESS. 
          UM, RIGHT. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM JOANNE IS WE HAVE THINGS BOOKED OUT FOR YOU, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO FREE ONE UP, THEN WE NEED TO TALK TO THOSE FOLKS ABOUT HOW WE MOVE THEIR, THEIR PROJECT OR THEIR REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, AND THE BUDGET. 
          WE DID ADD ADDITIONAL WORK SESSIONS WITH YOU AT YOUR REQUEST BECAUSE YOU WANTED THE DEEP DIVE IN CAPITAL AND LIKE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT HAVE ADDED MORE. 
          SO I'M WITH COUNSELOR KINSELLA MM-HMM . 
          UH, NOT ADDING EXTRA DAYS TO OUR CALENDAR THAT'S ALREADY GOT PLENTY. 
          BUT IF WE COULD STILL WORK SOMETHING IN BY MOVING OTHER WEDNESDAY STUFF, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT WANTING TO GET WAY AHEAD ON BIG STUFF, RIGHT? THIS BALANCED HOUSING STRATEGY. 
          SHOULD, WE SHOULD, SHOULD THIS NOT BE ONE OF THOSE TOPICS THAT WE'RE GETTING COMMUNITY INPUT AND DISCUSSION ON EITHER RIGHT BEFORE IT OR RIGHT AFTER IT, IT HITS OUR AGENDA. 
          UM, OTHERWISE, LIKE TO ME THAT THAT'S ONE GOOD REASON WHY I WOULDN'T WANNA WAIT UNTIL Q1 OF THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          SO HOW ABOUT IF WE INSTITUTED OFFICIALLY AND FORMALLY AS OF Q1 MM-HMM . 
          AND THEN WE LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES BEFORE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE TODAY. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          IS THAT GOOD? YEP. 
          YEAH. 
          GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE DONE. 
          WE'LL BRING FORWARD A THANK YOU. 
          I HEARD YOU. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          UH, AND DID YOU, UH, WE TALKED IN THE, UM, TALK IN THE EXPLANATION OF IMPLEMENTING COMMUNITY PRIORITIES AND ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD CAPTURE THE WHOLE NOTION OF COMMUNITY EVENTS, RIGHT? WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT AGAIN. 
          YEP. 
          UM, THERE WAS THE REQUEST FROM COUNSELOR HOSSEINI ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN REVIEW AND MY RECOMMENDATION WAS WE SCHEDULE THAT IN LIEU OF A SIM UPDATE AND WE CAN EASILY DO THAT. 
          UM, SO IF YOU'RE FINE WITH THAT, WE CAN GET THAT OUT ON YOUR CALENDAR. 
          I I I, WE DID HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO COUNSELOR HUSSEI WHO SAID THAT SHE REALLY WAS LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE REFRESH CYCLE FOR THESE MASTER PLANS. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE A, A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          WELL, WE COULD PROVIDE YOU WITH LIKE A STATUS OF ALL THE PLANS, LIKE WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME, WHERE ARE WE AT IN EACH OF 'EM, LIKE A WRITTEN MEMO AND THEN, UM, TO TRY TO HELP ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          AND THEN COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION CAN DECIDE THROUGH BRINGING IT UP AT A UPCOMING MEETINGS AGENDA ITEM OR WHATEVER IF THEY WANT TO. 
          I KNOW ANDY WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING. 
          AND THEN MELISSA, I JUST WANTED TO THROW OUT THAT THE GENERAL RULE OF THUMB IS FIVE TO 10 YEARS, RIGHT? IS WHAT, BUT FIVE TO 10 YEARS TYPICALLY ON A MASTER PLAN. 
          BUT THAT'S WHILE YOU CONSIDER WHERE YOU'RE AT IN EXECUTING THE PLAN. 
          SO THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. 
          SO MELISSA, YEAH, SO I THINK I HAVE TO GET CLOSER. 
          MAYBE SIT ON MY KNEES OR SOMETHING. 
          UM, I THINK THE IDEA ON THE REFRESH WAS WHETHER OR NOT EVALUATING WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE REALLY STILL GOING ON THE PATH WE NEED TO BE GOING ON BECAUSE THE CITY HAS CHANGED, TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED THE WORLD AROUND US HAS CHANGED WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE SO THAT WE DON'T KEEP SPENDING TIME DOING PROJECTS THAT AT THE LONG RUN ARE NOT HELPFUL FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR US, UM, AS RESIDENTS AND YOU KNOW, AND AS WHATEVER WE ARE AS A A, A COMMUNITY AS FAR AS ECONOMIC DIVERSITY IS CONCERNED. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT TO ME WAS WHY I THOUGHT WE WANTED TO LOOK FOR A REFRESH BECAUSE IF WE WANTED TO CHANGE ECONOMIC DIVERSITY AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT RESIDENT POPULATION, OR WE'RE LOOKING AT THE POPULATION WE HAVE NOW, ARE WE STILL ON THE RIGHT PATH FOR TRANSPORTATION? ARE WE STILL ON THE RIGHT PATH FOR STEPS? ARE WE STILL ON THE RIGHT PATH FOR ANY OF THE PLACES WHERE WE'VE GOT LARGE PLANS SO WE DON'T SPEND 10 YEARS BUILDING THE WRONG THINGS? AND I THINK, UM, WE WILL PROBABLY TOUCH ON SOME OF THIS IN THE DEEP DIVE ON THE CAPITAL BUDGET TO DETERMINE WHAT YOU WANT TO HAVE IN IN THE NEXT YEAR. 
          IS THAT, ARE WE GOOD? MM-HMM . 
          SO, SO WITH MY RECOMMENDATION ON THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN SPECIFICALLY GETTING A BRIEF LOOK AT WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE'RE AT ON SIM SPECIFICALLY COULD BE THE FIRST KIND OF GO AROUND ON, OKAY, 
          [06:25:02]
COUNSELOR ZANY ALSO REQUESTED SUSTAINABILITY PERFORMANCE MEASURES FOR COMMUNITY SERVICE PROVIDER CONTRACTS. 
          YOU ASKED ME TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH HER IF THAT WAS INTENDED TO MEAN THINGS AROUND THE CITY'S CLIMATE ACTION PLAN OR IF THAT WAS FINANCIAL STABILITY, OR EXCUSE ME, SUSTAINABILITY. 
          AND IT WAS IN FACT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN RELATED MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND SO IF A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN HAVING US, UM, ADD SOMETHING TO OUR CONTRACT RENEGOTIATIONS, UM, RELATED TO ASKING THE QUESTION, WHAT DO YOU DO OR SOME KIND OF MEASURE, UM, PLEASE LET US KNOW AND THEN I CAN HAVE BRYCE WORK WITH BARBARA ON FORMULATING SOMETHING. 
          UM, WHEN I SPOKE TO COUNSELOR HU HUSSEI, SHE FELT THAT SINCE THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME THE CONCEPT'S INTRODUCED, SHE WOULDN'T PROPOSE THAT THERE'S AN HARD MEASUREMENT. 
          UM, NOT KNOWING WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE CAPTURING THIS INFORMATION ALREADY, BUT INSTEAD MORE OF A NARRATIVE QUESTION. 
          LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN THIS REGARD? TELL US ABOUT YOUR WASTE REDUCTION EFFORTS. 
          TELL US ABOUT ENERGY EFFICIENCY, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I LEARNED FROM HER YESTERDAY, MELISSA. 
          SO WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES, UH, TO THE ANSWERS? WELL, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNCIL IF THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA OR JUST ITEM FOR INFORMATION FOR YOU. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A CRITICAL, A CRITICAL DECISION. 
          'CAUSE THAT GOES BACK TO THEN HOW MUCH OF THEIR BUDGET, WHICH WE'RE NOT PROVIDING. 
          'CAUSE WE DON'T PROVIDE CAPITAL BUDGET. 
          WE, WE, WELL, THEY HAVE, WE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          SHE WAS NOT LOOKING TO CAUSE THEM TO SPEND MONEY WHERE THEY'RE NOT SPENDING IT. 
          SHE HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. 
          AND SO SHE SAID THAT SHE JUST WOULD LIKE THE INFORMATION AND THEN WE COULD DECIDE IT WOULD BE SPURRING THEM TO, SHE ASSUMES THAT THEY'RE DOING THINGS SHE KNEW OF SEVERAL SERVICE CONTRACTORS WHO ARE ALREADY DOING THINGS LIKE THE COMMUNITY CENTER ALREADY IS DOING WASTE REDUCTION AND THE RECYCLE CENTERS DOING THIS. 
          SO IT WAS MORE WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO FULFILL THE CITY'S CLIMATE ACTION PLAN? NOT REQUIRING THEM TO DO SOMETHING AND NOT PENALIZING THEM IF THEY'RE NOT DOING IT. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT WAS THE PART THAT MORE THAN ANYTHING, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MAKING, MAKING YOUR SERVICE CONTRACTORS AWARE THAT WE CARE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND MAKING, MAKING THEM AWARE OF THE FACT THAT MAYBE THEY SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT THIS DURING THE NEXT CONTRACT CYCLE IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN US SAYING, WELL, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU LESS MONEY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT DOING THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 
          SO WE GOOD WITH THAT? YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE NEXT ITEM WAS, UM, AGAIN, COUNSELOR HOSNI, UM, ASKING ABOUT, UM, INFORMATION ON OUR POLICY REGARDING THE COUNTY ROADWAYS THAT ARE INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THEM. 
          IN YOUR DISCUSSION YESTERDAY, IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT THIS IS THE TYPE OF THING THAT A COUNSELOR COULD BRING UP IN A UPCOMING MEETING SCHEDULE DISCUSSION AT THE END OF A REGULAR MEETING TO PROPOSE IZING IT. 
          UM, IF THAT'S SUFFICIENT, I CAN TALK TO HER ABOUT USING THAT PROCESS. 
          OKAY? MM-HMM . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO ALMOST DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          GOOD JOB. 
          UH, ARE 10 AND 11 SORT OF IN THE SAME VEIN? SHOULD WE MAYBE DO 10 AND 11 AND THEN COME BACK TO NINE? 'CAUSE IT'S SO DIFFERENT. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A MATRIX. 
          A WHOLE THING WITH NUMBER NINE. 
          THIS ONE. 
          THAT RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO ON, UM, ITEM 10, COUNCIL COMPENSATION. 
          UM, I DID HEAR THERE WAS A MAJORITY YESTERDAY THAT WAS INTERESTED IN, UM, A DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC. 
          WORK GROUP, A WORK GROUP ON THIS TOPIC, UM, CITIZEN WORK GROUP. 
          BUT YOU WERE GOING TO WAIT TILL TODAY TO MAKE THE FORMAL DIRECTION. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW P OR COUNSELOR FURMAN, EXCUSE ME, WOULD LIKE TO FORMALIZE THE REQUEST OR WHAT THAT IS FOR YOU GUYS TO GIVE AN OKAY TO, I'LL LEAVE IT TO THE COLLEAGUES THAT REALLY LED THAT PART OF THE EFFORT. 
          UM, THIS IS RELATED TO COUNSELOR COMPENSATION. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH, I DID THAT. 
          YES, YOU DID. 
          WE WERE LIKE, YOU'RE THE COUNSELOR. 
          . 
          MY STATEMENT REMAINS TRUE . 
          SO, UH, MY, UH, IDEA WAS FOR, UH, US TO SERIOUSLY TO, TO PUT FORTH AN EFFORT TO THINK SERIOUSLY ABOUT COUNCIL COMPENSATION. 
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THERE WERE TWO KIND OF ELEMENTS THAT I HAD PROPO, UH, I ELEMENTS BEHIND MY RATIONALE. 
          ONE, THESE ARE SERIOUS JOBS THAT WE ALL DO, UH, AND, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE SERVING. 
          UH, BRIAN, THERE WAS A PHRASE YOU USED ABOUT THE VALUE OF THE WORK IS WHAT THE WORKMAN'S WORTH IS. 
          WAGES, A WORKMAN'S WORTH IS WAGES. 
          SO THERE'S ONE ELEMENT TO THAT, BUT I THINK MORE OVER THE OVERRIDING ELEMENT TO ME IS, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO RELATIVE TO WAGES, TO INCENT, ENCOURAGE, UH, YOUNGER MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY TO, UH, TO BE ON COUNCIL? SO MY PROPOSAL WAS THAT WE, UH, FORM A CITIZENS WORK GROUP, GIVE THEM SOME GUIDE RAIL, GOD RAILS, PERHAPS HAVE THEM DIG INTO THE ISSUE, UH, ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS AND COME BACK TO, UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO CITY COUNCIL THAT WE WOULD FURTHER DISCUSS IN WHAT TIMEFRAME AND DID YOUR, AND DID YOUR PROPOSAL INCLUDE A COUNSELOR AS A PART OF IT? THANK YOU. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          KINSELLA. 
          I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD AND, UH, I WOULD ACTUALLY RAISE MY HAND TO LEAD THE EFFORT AS WELL. 
          I THINK I'M IN A UNIQUE POSITION OF NOT HAVING POTENTIALLY TO BENEFIT FROM THIS DECISION MOVING FORWARD SINCE I AM NOT GOING TO RUN FOR REELECTION, UH, COUNT, UH, TIMEFRAME. 
          IT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST ALL RECOGNIZE THAT A PROCESS OF ENGAGING A WORK GROUP AND DOING GOOD OUTREACH IS GONNA TAKE US A LONG TIME. 
          AND IT'S NOT GONNA GET DONE BEFORE. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA GET DONE BEFORE WE REALLY CAN ENCOURAGE FOLKS WITH THIS NEXT ELECTION CYCLE, 66 DAYS. 
          PETE . 
          YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD GO FOR A, A LEAN TIGHT TIMEFRAME. 
          I'M GONNA READ 66 AS SURE. 
          SURE. 
          I GOTTA RE DOES REALLY NEED TO TAKE THAT LONG. 
          CAN I RE-LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT I SIGNED? ? NOPE. 
          GIVE SOMETHING TO DEREK. 
          UH, I'M WILLING TO TRY TO MOVE ON IT. 
          SO, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE BECAUSE, UH, FOLLOWING THIS, YOU KNOW, I WOULD WORK WITH KEEGAN WHO DOES OUR WORK GROUP SOLICITATIONS AND, UM, FIVE TO SEVEN. 
          SO WE KIND OF NEED AN IDEA OF LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. 
          YEAH, I I HEARD A WHISPER DOWN THE ROAD. 
          IT'S, YOU DON'T WANT IT TOO SMALL. 
          YOU DON'T WANT IT TOO BIG. 
          RIGHT? LIKE FIVE, FIVE TO SEVEN PEOPLE IS THE RIGHT KIND OF NUMBER FIVE OR SEVEN, RIGHT? FIVE OR, YEAH. 
          KEEP ODD NUMBERS, RIGHT? OR, OR INCLUDING. 
          SO THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION. 
          DO I VOTE OR DO I JUST CHAIR AND DIRECT? I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME ON IT, SO, AND IT'S, YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO VOTE. 
          THAT MAKES A RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO FIVE TO SEVEN INCLUDES ME. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SEVEN, FIVE OR SEVEN. 
          IT'S, WOULD I, WOULD I ACTUALLY LEAN TO SEVEN TO GET A BETTER REPRESENTATION FROM THE COMMUNITY AND CITIZENS? SO THAT'S THE PROPOSAL. 
          CAN I MAKE THAT MOTION? ALL THE THINGS WE JUST SAID WITH SEVEN BEING THE NUMBER UNANIMOUS. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND UH, AND ALL THE PARTICIPANTS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY WERE SEDONA RESIDENTS, CITIZENS, RESIDENTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          YES. 
          I THINK THEY SHOULD BE RESIDENTS, CORRECT? THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, AND THEN LASTLY, UH, COUNCIL LIAISON ASSIGNMENTS. 
          AND I KNOW JOANNE UPDATED THAT CHART BASED ON, UM, YOUR INITIAL REVIEW YESTERDAY. 
          UM, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN PULL UP, JOANNE, OR DID I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE HAVE HARD COPIES OR IF WE WE HAVE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE, WE HAVE HARD COPIES. 
          OH, YOU DO? OKAY. 
          CAN I HAVE A COPY? I THINK THE RED IS, UH, FOR ELIMINATION OR CHANGING OR CHANGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, CAN I GIVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS? 'CAUSE I HAD A CONVERSATION AFTER WE HAD ADJOURNED. 
          I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH COUNCILOR HUSSEINI AND A CONVERSATION WITH COUNCILOR FAF BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME QUESTION REGARDING SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT THE, THE THREE OF US WERE THERE. 
          AND IN THAT, IN THOSE SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS, I THINK IT WAS SORT OF SUGGESTED THAT, THAT WHAT WE'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND IS THAT COUNCILOR FAF TAKE THE POSITION AS LIAISON TO THE MAIN SOCIETY, UH, THAT COUNSELOR HONI TAKE THE POSITION AS LIAISON TO THE RECYCLING CENTER. 
          AND THAT I WOULD RETAIN MY POSITION WITH 
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THE SEDONA COMMUNITY CENTER, JUST TRYING TO STREAMLINE THINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GOOD WITH THAT. 
          ALTHOUGH I THINK MELISSA DID EXPRESS AN INTEREST IN HUMANE SOCIETY. 
          SO JUST WANNA SEE WHEN YOU DO A GOOD DEED IT. 
          NO, GO FOR IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, DEREK, WHEN YOU DO A GOOD DEED, IT COMES BACK TO, OKAY, WELL I WAS JUST MAKING SURE MELISSA DIDN'T WANT TO LIKE ARM WRESTLE FOR IT OR ANYTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN YOU HAD ONE, UM, ADDITION THE SUGGESTION OF SOMEONE ATTENDING THE SEDONA OAK CREEK SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD MEETINGS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU WANTED TO STEP FORWARD AND VOLUNTEER TO DO THAT, OR IF YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S URGENT TO GET IT ASSIGNED, BUT THAT WAS THE NEW ONE YOU ADDED. 
          AND THEN, UM, DON'T WE ADD THAT? YES. 
          YESTERDAY THERE WAS A SUGGESTION. 
          DEREK WAS MY SUGGESTION. 
          DEREK BROUGHT IT UP, BUT I THINK WE, WE HAD THE CONVERSATION AROUND WE SHOULD TALK TO THE SCHOOL BOARD FIRST. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SEE WHETHER OR NOT TALK TO THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT WAS GOING TO BE OKAY WITH THEM. 
          NO, I DON'T WANT IT. 
          I CAN'T NO, HE DOESN'T WANT IT THEN YOU SAID YOU COULDN'T. 
          WELL, WELL, THEY'RE PUBLIC MEETINGS. 
          I MEAN, YOU CAN ATTEND IF YOU WANT ANYBODY. 
          I HAVE A CONFLICT, BUT THE FORMAL LIAISON SHIP WOULD REQUIRE TWO-WAY STREET. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, THEY WOULD WANT US. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN THE CURRENT, UM, DRAFT IN FRONT OF YOU DOES NOT HAVE A LIAISON FOR THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMITTEE COUNSELOR. 
          DENNIS HAS BEEN PERFORMING THAT. 
          I WASN'T SURE IF YOU WANTED TO CONTINUE OR IF THAT WAS YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE FOR ME TO KEEP GOING THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          UNLESS SOMEBODY, UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO THERE AND LISTEN TO ALL THE PROJECTS THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING. 
          BUT ANDY STILL GOES THERE, RIGHT? OH YEAH. 
          ANDY STILL GOES TO THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMITTEE PASS. 
          SORRY, ARE YOU OFFICIALLY ON THEIR ADVISORY COMMITTEE? OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          UNLESS, UM, I, I BELIEVE WHAT I HEARD YESTERDAY, BUT I COULD HAVE HEARD WRONG, IS THAT THE HOUSING ADVISORY GROUP WAS CHANGED TO BE AN IN INFORMAL VOLUNTARY ATTENDANCE KIND OF THING, NOT A FORMAL LIAISON. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A SPECIFIC PERSON FOR THAT, BUT ANY OF YOU COULD GO TO THAT. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN I THINK THAT WAS IT. 
          WELL, WE ALSO TOOK OFF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 
          CORRECT. 
          ALL OF THE RED, UM, ARE THE DELETIONS AND LODGING COUNSEL SHOULD ALSO RIGHT. 
          BE READED OUT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          LIKE DELETED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND COULD I JUST ASK A YEAH. 
          CLARIFICATION. 
          I WE'RE WAITING, UM, YES. 
          FOR COUNCIL TO LET US KNOW ABOUT THE YAVAPAI COUNTY WATER RESOURCES AND OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE. 
          SO THAT IS THE ONE WE ADDED. 
          AND I READ THE LETTER TO YOU YESTERDAY WHERE THEY RECEIVED THE GRANT AND ARE LOOKING FOR REPRESENTATIVES FROM ALL THE CITIES, UM, IN YAVAPAI COUNTY TO PARTICIPATE ON WATER RESOURCES AND OPEN SPACE PROJECT, UH, ACTIVITIES. 
          AND SUPERVISOR CHECK HAD REACHED OUT TO ASK WHO FROM SEDONA WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THAT. 
          AND, UH, COUNCILMAN FURMAN HAD VOLUNTEERED TO BE OUR LIAISON AND COUNCILWOMAN COUNCIL KINSELLA AS THE ALTERNATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE ALL GOOD WITH THAT? MM-HMM . 
          WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THAT. 
          I WILL LET THEM KNOW. 
          COULDN'T MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THIS. 
          YES, BECAUSE THIS IS BECAUSE OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE. 
          THESE ARE, YES. 
          SO IT IS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE COUNCIL ASSIGNMENTS AS AMENDED. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO NOW YOU ARE AT TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTMENTS, AND THEN ANY WRAP UP? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, THEY, WE HAVE FOUR SEATS THAT ARE UP. 
          THREE OF THE CURRENT MEMBERS HAVE REAPPLIED. 
          ONE OF THE CURRENT MEMBERS WHO SEATS IS, UH, UP FOR RE-APPROVAL. 
          DID NOT APPLY. 
          SO LET'S TAKE THAT FIRST. 
          ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH, AND THERE ARE LINDSEY HAMMERSMITH, ALTHEA JOHNSON, AND JOHN FITZGIBBONS ARE THE THREE. 
          AND, AND TWO OF THEM  ARE THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR, JOHN AND ALTHEA. 
          UH, AND THEN WE HAVE LINDSAY. 
          UH, SO ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH REPLYING? DO YOU, DO YOU NEED ANY, UH, UH, QUESTIONS 
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FOR ANDREW? WHO'S THE STAFF LIAISON? , DO YOU HAVE ANY REASON TO QUESTION THE POSITIVE CONTRIBUTIONS OF THESE INDIVIDUALS? SHOULD THEY MOVE FORWARD? I HAVE NO CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING THEM CONTINUE TO SERVE ON THE TAB. 
          I THINK THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE PASSIONATE SHOW UP EVERY TIME. 
          I THINK THEY'VE BEEN REALLY GOOD CONTRIBUTORS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO YOU WANT TO, UH, TO RE TO APPROVE THOSE AND THEN WE CAN DEAL WITH THE VACANCIES? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION? OKAY, ONE SECOND. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REAPPOINT JOHN FITZGIBBONS, ALTHEA JOHNSON AND LINDSEY HAMMERSMITH TO THEIR, TO CONTINUE IN THEIR ROLE. 
          WHAT, TO THREE, THREE YEAR, FOUR YEAR TERMS? TWO YEAR TERMS? TWO YEAR? NO, NO. 
          OH, FOUR YEAR TERMS. FOUR YEAR TERMS. THEY'RE GONNA GO OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THEY WERE, OH, BECAUSE THE FIRST TWO WERE TWO. 
          THAT'S WHY I, SORRY. 
          THEIR DATES FOUR YEAR TERMS. SHE HAS THE DATES HERE AND I OH, OKAY. 
          SHE HAS THE DATES MOTION. 
          WHERE ARE THEY? UH, OKAY. 
          I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT JOHN FITZGIBBONS, THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM, STARTING ON JANUARY 1ST, 2026, EXPIRING ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2029, OR UNTIL THE SUCCESSOR IS APPOINTED. 
          AND REAPPOINT ALTHEA JOHNSON TO THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM, STARTING ON JANUARY 1ST, 2026, EXPIRING ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2029 UNTIL A SUCCESSOR WAS APPOINTED AND REAPPOINT LINDSEY HAMMERSMITH TO THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD FOR FOUR YEAR TERMS, STARTING ON JANUARY 1ST, 2026, EXPIRING ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2029, OR UNTIL A SUCCESSOR IS APPOINTED. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? CAN WE HAVE DISCUSSION? I YES, WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION. 
          YEP. 
          ? YEAH, I, I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE THREE INDIVIDUALS, BUT THERE'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, OKAY, WE MADE THEM APPLY, BUT NOW WE'RE GIVING THEM PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT. 
          I KNOW WE JUST DID THAT WITH PNZ AND THE HPC AND THE HPC. 
          UM, WE HISTORICALLY HAVE ALSO DONE THAT WITH, UH, P AND Z AND I YOU JUST DID IT WITH PZ. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          WELL, NO, NOT, NOT REALLY. 
          BECAUSE BEFORE I, YES. 
          REALLY? YES. 
          WELL, NO, BECAUSE BEFORE I RAN FOR COUNCIL, I PUT MY HAT IN FOR, UH, P AND Z AND THERE WERE SEVERAL MEMBERS WHO WERE UP FOR RECONSIDERATION AND THEY DID HAVE TO APPLY AND THEY DID MEET WITH SCOTT AND SANDY AND KATHY, UM, AT THE TIME. 
          AND THEN THEY WERE REAPPOINTED AND, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF WALKED AWAY WITH LIKE, OKAY, EVERYBODY THAT WANTED TO BE BACK ON GOT TO BE BACK ON. 
          AND ANYBODY THAT WAS NEW THAT APPLIED, DIDN'T GET TO, DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE ULTIMATELY. 
          AND I SEE JOE. 
          YEAH, THERE'S, AT THE TIME THOSE, UM, THE COMMITTEE FOR THE SELECTION COMMITTEE FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WAS MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, AND THEN THE CHAIR. 
          SO WHEN OUR STAFF, UM, POSTED FOR THOSE, THOSE PEOPLE WERE ASKED WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANTED, WANTED TO INTERVIEW EVERYBODY. 
          EVERYBODY RE EVERYONE APPLIES. 
          SO THEY DO HAVE TO APPLY MM-HMM . 
          AND THEN THAT COMMITTEE, THE INTERVIEW SELECTION COMMITTEE CHOSE WHETHER OR NOT MADE THE DECISION WHETHER THEY WERE GONNA HAVE EVERYONE INTERVIEW OR REPOINT, UM, RECOMMEND REAPPOINTMENT WITHOUT AN INTERVIEW. 
          AM I SAYING THAT CORRECT, MARCY? OKAY, GREAT. 
          SO IT, IT, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          AT TIMES THEY HAVE HAD PEOPLE REAPPLY AND THEN BE INTERVIEWED AGAIN. 
          IT OKAY. 
          ISLAM IS, EVERYBODY'S COOL WITH THAT. 
          SO YEAH. 
          ACTUALLY RAISES A GOOD POINT BECAUSE WHEN I WAS INTERVIEWED FOR PNZ, UM, THERE WAS A SITTING COMMISSIONER WHO APPLIED AS WELL, BUT I GOT THE POSITION AND NOT THAT PERSON. 
          SO MIGHT HAPPENED ONCE IN A MILLION YEAR. 
          AND I WILL SAY I LOOKED AT THE APPLICATIONS OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE INCUMBENT AND AT LEAST ONE OF 'EM, THEIR APPLICATION WAS PRIOR APPLICATION, LIKE IT WAS THE FIRST TIME. 
          AND THAT'S, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. 
          SO THAT'S PART OF THEIR REAPPLYING IS BECAUSE THEY, I MEAN, THAT HAS BEEN THE, HISTORICALLY THAT HAS BEEN THE PROCESS THAT THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AGREED ON FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE READY TO VOTE? YEP. 
          ALL ALL THOSE IN 
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FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NOW WE HAVE FOUR ADDITIONAL OPENINGS, RIGHT? AND WE HAD 15 APPLICATIONS AND WE JUST REMOVED THREE. 
          SO WE HAVE 12 APPLICATIONS FOR FOUR OPENINGS. 
          AND DO WE WANT TO JUST GO THROUGH EACH PERSON AND SEE WHERE WE LAND? OR DO WE WANNA PUT A, GIVE A GUIDELINE TO OURSELVES ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE WE WANNA INTERVIEW FOR THE FOUR VACANCIES? I WOULD THROW A NUMBER OUT THAT, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK WE SHOULD SEE WHERE WE LAND. 
          'CAUSE IT MAY JUST RESOLVE ITSELF, BUT THAT IF IT DOES NOT RESOLVE ITSELF WITH THAT, THAT WE SET A CAP AND MAYBE THE CAP WOULD BE EIGHT FOR, SINCE THERE ARE FOUR POSITIONS THAT WE'RE LIKE LOOKING AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE PER. 
          BUT LET'S GO STEP A AND THEN STEP B IF NECESSARY. 
          EVERYONE AGREE TO THAT? ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S GO DOWN THE LIST. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, POLLING CLAYTON, AND THEN WE'LL JUST GO IN THE ORDER HERE AND I'LL JUST DO THE TALLY JUST LIKE LAST TIME. 
          SO RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU WANT TO INTERVIEW COLLEEN CLAYTON. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I DO WANNA REMIND FOLKS THAT WE SAID WE WANTED TO EMPHASIZE RESIDENCE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          L ELLIE EVERETT. 
          I'M SEEING NO HANDS. 
          MAUREEN HUFFMAN. 
          OH, YOU DON'T CALCULATE, DO THEY? UM, THERE'S ONE. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU KNOW HER? MARLOW JOHNSON? I'M NOT SEEING ANY HANDS. 
          BETSY KLEIN, WE'VE GOT WHO? WHO BOLTS ELA? BRETT . 
          EVERYONE. 
          TRACY RANDALL. 
          EVERYONE. 
          JULIE, RICHARD. 
          OH GOD. 
          I THINK THIS IS TWO BOLTS. 
          AND F, DG, ROCK. 
          LARS RIG, EVERYONE. 
          JOHN SAGOS. 
          GREGORY STEIN. 
          WE HAVE EVERYONE. 
          BUT DID YOU GET ALL OF US? EVERYONE BUT KATHY ON THAT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHERE ARE WE AT? SO LEMME SEE IF I CAN A LITTLE BIT THERE. 
          DID SOME OF THOSE LIGHTS NOT HAVE TOTALS? WELL, THESE WERE ALREADY, OH, THIS ONE IS TRACY. 
          IT'S NOT COMING OVER. 
          LET ME SEE. 
          YOU MIGHT JUST HAVE TO PICTURE. 
          OH, RANDALL, TRACY. 
          SIX. 
          YEAH, MINE'S GOTTEN CREEP ABOVE THAT. 
          AND THEN KLE. 
          YEAH, I JUST, SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          I HEAR THERE LINES. 
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OKAY, SO, SO A MAJORITY, WE HAVE REGULAR, LET'S SEE HOW MANY WE HAVE FOUR. 
          I I WAS GOING FROM THE BOTTOM UP. 
          YEAH. 
          THREE WAS SIX. 
          ONE THREE WAS SIX. 
          GREGORY DONE. 
          LARS, ROIG, TRACY RANDALL, BRETT, . 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          SO THAT'S FIVE. 
          WE HAVE FIVE THAT HAVE A MAJORITY. 
          IF I'M RIGHT. 
          WHO, WHO'S YOUR FIFTH? ARE WE ACCOUNTED? FOUR. 
          SO WE, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT BRETT, RIGHT? YEP. 
          TRACY. 
          YEP. 
          THAT'S TWO. 
          LARS AND GREGORY. 
          FOUR. 
          THAT'S PEOPLE. 
          THAT'S FOUR FOR FOUR. 
          SLOT FOUR. 
          SO WE'RE INTERVIEWING FOUR PEOPLE FOR FOUR SLOT. 
          FOUR. 
          FOUR SLOTS. 
          SO WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT, DO WE? NO. 
          SO WHY NOT INTERVIEW EVERYBODY WHO HAD, BECAUSE I THINK THAT COMES TO SEVEN PEOPLE THAT HAVE ANY KIND OF SUPPORT THERE. 
          1, 2, 3, 4. 
          SO WE HAVE BETSY, KLEIN, JULIE, RICHARD. 
          I MAKE A MOTION. 
          WE APPROVE THOSE FOUR . 
          WE HAVEN'T INTERVIEWED . 
          WE READ IT, WE READ RESUMES. 
          THERE'S NO SECOND TO THE MOTION. 
          YEAH. 
          IF THERE'S NO SECOND, THEN IT DIES. 
          IT'S FINE. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ALL THESE PEOPLE. 
          YEAH. 
          REALLY? I DON'T INTERVIEW DIFFERENTLY THAN THEIR, IF YOU TAKE ANYONE WITH A THREE OR HIGHER, WE HAVE SIX. 
          HMM. 
          ANYONE WITH THREE OR HIGHER? WE HAVE SIX. 
          GOOD. 
          WITH THAT THREE OR HIGHER? WE HAVE SIX BRINGS IN BETSY, KLEIN, JULIE, RICHARD AND GREGORY. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE, YEAH, THAT WOULD GIVE US SIX. 
          YEAH. 
          FOUR PLUS TWO. 
          YEP. 
          SIX. 
          ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? I SECOND THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT? WAIT, UH, YOU MADE THE MOTION. 
          YOU SECONDING? NO, NO ONE'S MADE A MOTION YET. 
          OH, THERE'S NO MOTION. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS A MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST ASKING IF EVERYONE SECONDS EARLIER. 
          MOTION. 
          I MOTION. 
          I JUST TRYING TO MOTION HIS WAY OUTTA HERE. 
           I MOTION. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          I MOTION THAT WE INTERVIEW ALL CANDIDATES WITH THREE OR MORE VOTES. 
          SECOND, LET'S NAME THEM FOR THE RECORD. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          BETSY KLEIN. 
          R LE . 
          SORRY. 
          UH, TRACY, RANDALL. 
          JULIE, RICHARD, LARS ROIG. 
          GREGORY STEIN. 
          SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? READY FOR A VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR A. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          AT TIME, WHEN DO YOU WANT TO INTERVIEW THEM? RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO DO THE IMPORTANT THING BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE A CANDIDATE FOR P AND Z FOR P AND Z THAT WE NEED TO SCHEDULE. 
          SO MARCY, WE SCHEDULE THAT ONE? NO, WE, OH, DID WE? MAYBE WE DID WE THAT ON THE AGENDA? YEAH. 
          I BELIEVE YOU'VE GOT THAT ONE SCHEDULED. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, BECAUSE IT WAS BEFORE A BEFORE. 
          UH, YES. 
          THEY'RE BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETING. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT, FEBRUARY 13TH? JANUARY? YEAH. 
           INTERVIEW 2:00 PM PUT THAT ON HERE. 
          I THINK IT, I THINK IT IS FEBRUARY 13TH. 
          JANUARY, OR SORRY, JANUARY 13TH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NOW THAT WE'RE INTERVIEWING THOUGH SIX PEOPLE, IF WE DO HALF HOUR FOR EACH INTERVIEW, A FEW MINUTES BET. 
          SO THAT'S THREE. 
          GO AHEAD, MAYOR. 
          I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          THAT'S THAT. 
          NEVERMIND. 
          SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO SIX PEOPLE, THREE HOURS, FOUR. 
          WE NEED FOUR HOURS APPROXIMATELY. 
          SO DO YOU WANNA DO THAT AT A COUNCIL MEETING DAY OR YOU WANNA DO THAT ANOTHER DAY OR A WORK SESSION DAY? DO WE HAVE A WORK SESSION DAY FOR IT? I JUST NEED TO TALK THIS THROUGH. 
          I THOUGHT WE WENT AHEAD AND YOU ALREADY REAPPOINTED YOU APPOINTED SOMEONE FOR THE PLANNING ZONING, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, BUT WE HAVE TWO SPOTS. 
          THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL OKAY. 
          WE, YEAH, WE REAPPOINTED SARAH, WE, AND WE HAVE CHARLOTTE HUSSAIN'S SPOT. 
          OKAY, SO THAT WAS P AND Z. 
          THAT WAS P AND Z. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW THE 14TH, DO WE HAVE A, A WORK SESSION ON THE 14TH? YES. 
          YOU HAVE YOUR CIP PLANNING AND PRIORITY SETTING. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA BE A LONG WORK SESSION THAT IS SET TO GO FROM ONE THAT'S A FIVE 
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HOUR MEETING. 
          SO WE DON'T WANT THAT'S FROM ONE TO SIX. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR WHAT DATE? I JUST . 
          SO THEY COULD DO IT BEFORE A TUESDAY OR A WEDNESDAY MEETING. 
          WE COULD ALSO DIVIDE IT UP, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT WE COULD, THEY DON'T WANNA DO THAT. 
          SO WHAT IS JANUARY 27TH AND 28TH LOOK LIKE? DO WE HAVE LONG 27TH LOOKS THE 27TH. 
          THE, THE 28TH IS, UH, ECONOMIC AND BUDGET UPDATE. 
          AND THAT THE 27TH IS A TWO HOUR MEETING ON WEDNESDAY. 
          SO ARE WE GONNA, IT'S A MID-YEAR UPDATE, BUT WE JUST DID ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE THAT, SO, BUT THAT'S JUST DURING THE WORK SESSION THAT, BUT THEY WERE GOING TO BE INTERVIEWING PRIOR TO, AND THEY COULD DO IT DURING THE WORK SESSION, BUT YOU CAN DO IT DURING THE WORK SESSION AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE IS NO WORK SESSION. 
          WORK SESSION. 
          THE 28TH WE HAD AN ITEM, BUT BARBARA'S SAYING WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. 
          IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THE TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD INTERVIEWS THERE, WE CAN DO THAT IN LIEU OF A WORK SESSION. 
          RIGHT. 
          EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? YEP. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE I HAVE A QUICK PROCEDURAL QUESTION. 
          OUR NEXT TAB MEETING IS FEBRUARY 4TH. 
          UM, HOW WOULD THAT WORK, JOANNE? WELL, WE WOULD APPOINT THEM THAT SAME DAY AND THEN THEY'D HAVE TO MAKE IT TO THE MEETING. 
          I WOULD JUST, I WOULD JUST BE CONCERNED ABOUT A QUORUM WITH THAT MUCH SHIFT AND NOT MAYBE HAVING PEOPLE'S SCHEDULES OPEN. 
          THEY DID JUST APPOINT YOU THREE NEW ONES? YEAH. 
          YEAH, WE'D BE APPOINTED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO WHAT TIME WOULD THAT START? SO WHAT, YEAH, WHAT TIME DO WE WANNA DO THAT? IT'S, REMEMBER FOUR HOURS. 
          DO WE WANNA DO IT AT TWO O'CLOCK OR THREE 30? HOW, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU WANNA GIVE YOUR SIX, FOUR HOURS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN YOUR MEETINGS ARE SCHEDULED NOW BECAUSE YOU CHANGED RULES OF PROCEDURES TO REGULARLY START AT FOUR 30. 
          SO YOU ARE GONNA WANNA START IT AT WHATEVER TIME YOU GUYS WANT TO. 
          TWO O'CLOCK, ONE O'CLOCK? NO LATER THAN TWO. 
          I THINK TWO, TWO O'CLOCK WORK. 
          SURE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          TWO O'CLOCK. 
          SO WHAT TIME ARE THE INTERVIEWS ON THE 13TH? YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SI DON'T KNOW. 
          WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT WHEN WE SCHEDULE THE INTERVIEWS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WILL BE DECIDING THAT SAME DAY AND THAT THE NEXT TAB MEETING IS THE FOURTH. 
          GIVE THEM A HEADS UP. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YAY. 
          AND THEN WE CAN, IF THEY APPOINT THEM, THEN WE COULD DO WHAT WE DID BEFORE AND GIVE THEM, GO AHEAD AND ISSUE THEIR OATH OF OFFICE SO THAT THEN WE CAN, RIGHT. 
          JUST COME TO MEETING. 
          I, UH, BEFORE WE, UH, BEFORE WE END, I WANNA SAY A BIG THANK YOU TO MARCY. 
          MARCY, YOU, YOU'RE WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR TAKING CARE OF ALL OF US FOR THREE DAYS. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THANKS TO ALL THE STAFF HERE AND, AND WHO HAVE ALREADY LEFT FOR A GREAT INTERCHANGE WITH COUNCIL. 
          WE SHOULD DO THIS MORE OFTEN. 
          I, I THINK REALLY CONNECTED US MUCH MORE CLOSELY WITH THE STAFF AND GET ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          AND STAFF DID A LOT OF REALLY GOOD WORK. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND I KNOW THE STAFF REALLY APPRECIATED THE WILLINGNESS OF THE COUNCIL TO TRY A DIFFERENT FORMAT. 
          AND, UM, SO THANK YOU AND WE REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO THE UPCOMING YEAR. 
          AND I WANNA GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO CHRISTIE WHO DID A LOT OF BEHIND THE SCENES WORK AS WELL. 
           ON THE, SO THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER FINAL THOUGHTS? SEE YOU IN JANUARY. 
          [5. ADJOURNMENT]
THIS MEETING'S ADJOURNED. 
          . 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYBODY.
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